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| 00:00.14 | SteveJones | mango: i wish i could help more, i just followed that forum article/how-to |
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| 00:01.33 | toolz | can I install the latest kernel from kernel.org? to manually configure and install it? |
| 00:01.53 | SteveJones | i got the bc43-fwcutter installed, extracted my cards firmware from the driver, make sure the gui network mgr was there, used modprobe and made sure the mod was loaded, rebooted, and voila |
| 00:02.06 | SteveJones | *made |
| 00:03.26 | themill | toolz: just stick with the bpo kernel |
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| 00:03.33 | Lns | SteveJones: ha! Ok, here was the issue - had to install Net::DNS perl stuff because local sending svr was complaining it wasn't installed and only routed through localhost (for some reason it didn't go any further than localhost after doing that). I installed that then had to edit my smtp server to whitelist every user on that host (as it's on a private network and doesn't have a valid DNS name). |
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| 00:05.03 | SteveJones | lns: awesome, make sure you document that for the next time u have to rebuild :) |
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| 00:05.12 | toolz | themill, why? I want to do some modification to the kernel, so I thought installing the latest |
| 00:05.24 | Lns | SteveJones: good idea =) |
| 00:05.27 | toolz | tell me why :P |
| 00:05.39 | toolz | wanna change to 1000Hz |
| 00:05.40 | Lns | SteveJones: thanks a bunch for your help |
| 00:05.52 | SteveJones | modifying your kernel you're just gonna end up witha system that wont boot :P |
| 00:06.07 | SteveJones | lns: eh i didnt help too much, but you're welcome, just remember swaks that's a great tool :) |
| 00:06.08 | toolz | I dont care, if it wont boot I will reinstall, I wanna learn |
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| 00:06.21 | jill_deb | hi again |
| 00:06.23 | SteveJones | well you'd just need to switch kernels, but fair enough |
| 00:06.26 | Lns | SteveJones: totally!! i never knew there existed such a great tool |
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| 00:06.33 | SteveJones | :) |
| 00:06.34 | prahal | mango_, do you have messages in /var/log/kernel.log |
| 00:06.38 | jill_deb | how to add user in group? |
| 00:06.51 | jill_deb | in console |
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| 00:07.02 | SteveJones | jill : vi /etc/group ; goto wherever after the : add the user |
| 00:07.16 | themill | jill_deb: adduser username group |
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| 00:07.32 | mmjj23 | as root $ adduser USER GROUP |
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| 00:07.47 | SteveJones | or you can use that binary :) either /or |
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| 00:08.18 | jill_deb | hmm i am in audio group but i dont have any sounds |
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| 00:08.35 | themill | toolz: recompiling kernels just isn't worth it. The kernels that debian provides you just work and you are best off using them. (You won't actually learn much from just compiling a kernel anyway) |
| 00:08.56 | themill | dpkg: tell jill_deb about alsa checklist |
| 00:09.01 | Mark21 | Hello, I have 2 VPS systems on a single host with everything the same in /etc/network/interfaces (only IP is different, 1 is ending with 194 (working) and 1 is ending with 196 (not working). What could a reason be it is not working? |
| 00:09.03 | SteveJones | ^^ agreed, it'l just be a huge headache and not like you'll learn anything too much other than various hardware descriptions |
| 00:09.06 | toolz | ic |
| 00:09.19 | prahal | mango_, beware that if you installed the firmware after having loaded the module you ahve to unload the module then reload it for it to find the firmware |
| 00:09.30 | SteveJones | Mark21: can both hosts ping their GW? |
| 00:09.36 | toolz | whats the ncurses package ? |
| 00:09.53 | toolz | ncurses-base ? |
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| 00:10.15 | SteveJones | Descriptions of common terminal types |
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| 00:10.23 | Mark21 | 194 can ping the gateway, 196 can't ping the gateway |
| 00:10.36 | Mark21 | how over ifconfig isn't showing problems and route -n also looks normall |
| 00:10.38 | prahal | toolz, libncurses5-dev |
| 00:10.38 | themill | toolz: remarkably, it comes with a package description. |
| 00:10.39 | SteveJones | Mark21: did you verify the gateway is set on both? (netstat -rn ) ? |
| 00:11.10 | jill_deb | how to know about audio system configuration? |
| 00:11.11 | prahal | I bet you meant the error about missing ncurses when make menuconfig |
| 00:11.18 | SteveJones | apt-cache search $pkg_name for a brief desc |
| 00:11.31 | SteveJones | yea he's tryign to make menuconfig heh |
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| 00:11.45 | themill | dpkg: tell toolz about kernel build-deps |
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| 00:12.08 | prahal | toolz, libncursesw5-dev could be it I cannot remember (I have both) |
| 00:12.18 | Mark21 | netstat -rn looks correct (on both systems the same information) |
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| 00:12.29 | prahal | jill_deb, lenny or squeeze ? |
| 00:12.37 | jill_deb | lenny |
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| 00:12.44 | SteveJones | Mark21: can both boxes ping themselves (tests loopback) , the box that cant ping the gw, id reboot, verify the gw is configured right, verify you have link lights on the busted box, verify t cable is plugged into the right switch, etc basic network troubleshooting |
| 00:12.53 | mango_ | mango: sorry prahal. I just saw your message |
| 00:12.58 | mango_ | let me check |
| 00:13.26 | SteveJones | ah right a vps |
| 00:13.31 | SteveJones | sorry forgot that. long day eh |
| 00:13.32 | Snewp | hi i'm getting an error with my squid proxy: Squid Parent: child process 4152 exited due to signal 6 ... i have recreated the cache and logs already |
| 00:13.33 | SteveJones | *heh |
| 00:13.44 | Mark21 | SteveJones: both can ping themselves and the other, but 1 can't ping the gateway |
| 00:13.46 | SteveJones | is your iface up ? ifconfig ethN does it show up? |
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| 00:14.21 | Mark21 | it shows it is up |
| 00:14.25 | SteveJones | so boxA can ping boxB, boxB can ping BoxA, boxA can ping GW, boxB can NOT ping GW, is that correct? (and netstat -rn ) looks the same on both |
| 00:14.26 | Mark21 | on both boxes |
| 00:14.34 | prahal | jill_deb, alsaconf should be it |
| 00:14.41 | Mark21 | SteveJones: yes, that is correct |
| 00:14.53 | SteveJones | both vps's |
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| 00:15.14 | Mark21 | both vps's on the same vps host |
| 00:15.16 | SteveJones | iptables -L has accept/accept/accept ? |
| 00:15.28 | SteveJones | perhaps the GW doesnt allow ICMP from boxB? |
| 00:15.35 | SteveJones | s/from/to |
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| 00:15.37 | lsbrum | Anybody know how to ride a WebRadio with MPD + Icecast, I have everything ready here, but the radio does not work. |
| 00:15.53 | SteveJones | Mark21: can the GW ping boxA and boxB? |
| 00:16.02 | Mark21 | I did also try to ping other things (that also didn't work from boxB) |
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| 00:16.10 | Mark21 | iptables -L shows accept/accept/accept |
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| 00:16.28 | SteveJones | Mark21: well that could be cuz of screwy dns, if you cant hit the GW though you're basically dead in the water atm |
| 00:16.29 | Mark21 | I can't check if the GW can ping boxA or boxB (I don't have access to the GW) |
| 00:16.36 | mango_ | prahal:http://pastebin.ca/1664239 |
| 00:16.36 | SteveJones | ah.. that stinks |
| 00:16.47 | SteveJones | Mark21: are these both priv ips? |
| 00:16.58 | prahal | jill_deb, tweaking the audio system in lenny (like settings profiles for surround, 6 channels or such is pretty cryptic in lenny . It got easier with latest pulseaudio above alsa in squeeze) |
| 00:17.01 | Mark21 | SteveJones: these are both public ips |
| 00:17.08 | Mark21 | 195.184.x.x range |
| 00:17.15 | SteveJones | Mark21: maybe your ISP hasnt allowed you to use that second ip |
| 00:17.34 | SteveJones | maybe taht IP isnt routed/associated/whatever to your accct |
| 00:17.34 | Mark21 | I did use it in the past, but it is possible it is blocked :S |
| 00:17.35 | prahal | so in short it is doable as pulseaudio manages to do it but it requires reading alsa site quite extensively |
| 00:17.44 | SteveJones | Mark21: it could also need arp cleared |
| 00:17.48 | SteveJones | if you used it in the past |
| 00:17.52 | SteveJones | i bet that's it |
| 00:17.56 | SteveJones | it's probably tied to the other MAC |
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| 00:18.05 | Mark21 | how long could that take? |
| 00:18.07 | SteveJones | call your ISP and have then clear arp/verify that IP is good to go |
| 00:18.11 | Mark21 | I don't know the old MAC |
| 00:18.13 | SteveJones | Mark21: a call to your ISP |
| 00:18.22 | SteveJones | or network admin/ whichever |
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| 00:18.49 | SteveJones | they might have dhcp'd to that mac or arp just has that mac associated to it on their cisco router, etc, or somethign along those lines |
| 00:18.57 | SteveJones | make sense? |
| 00:19.22 | Mark21 | I'll send them an email, calling them for this at 1 o'clock at night isn't the best option (as it is only fallback). I could try arp (dhcp isn't in use) |
| 00:19.26 | SteveJones | at any rate, contact the ISP, and verify ip foo and ip bar are available for your use (ask them to clear arp, etc) |
| 00:19.34 | mango_ | SteveJones: I have checked the above website...there is no way I can extract wl_apsta.o from the command given on the site using debian |
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| 00:20.14 | SteveJones | mango: sure you can ubuntu and debian are essentially same commands |
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| 00:20.26 | SteveJones | mango: your binary might just have a dif name |
| 00:20.33 | SteveJones | so substitute appropriately |
| 00:20.47 | jill_deb | prahal it helps, thanks. i have sounds in console now and its cool |
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| 00:21.23 | toolz | how much time will it take on a core i7 with 8gb ram to compile a new kernel? |
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| 00:22.02 | abrotman | 42 |
| 00:22.26 | themill | toolz: just stick with the bpo kernel |
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| 00:24.25 | Mark21 | now I just need to wait till tomorrow (I'll be happy when we start using our own routers in the near future) |
| 00:24.47 | mango_ | SteveJones:how could something like this works on debian: sudo bcm43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware ~/Desktop/wl_apsta.o |
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| 00:25.09 | toolz | themill, if I fail to install this one, I will :) |
| 00:25.17 | mango_ | SteveJones: the package on debian is called sudo bcm43-fwcutter |
| 00:25.25 | prahal | mango_, bcm43xx-fwcutter -l ) to see what file in the driver I was looking for.According to the list command and the files I have in the Driver directory the file I want is called bcmwl5.sys bcm43xx-fwcutter /home/default/bcmwireless/Driver/bcmwl5.sys see http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Networking/HOW_TO_install_the_Broadcom_bcm43xx_Driver_in_Debian_Linux_and_enable_WPA_Encryption |
| 00:25.28 | abrotman | the package is not called sudo |
| 00:26.41 | mango_ | abortman: I know that |
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| 00:27.03 | Stew_a | how can i change the ulimit -n value for just one user that doesn't have permission to set the limit using ulimig -n #? |
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| 00:27.27 | HSorgYves | morning |
| 00:27.35 | prahal | so -l to find the driver you need in the zip , then -w /lib/firmware <the path to the recommanded file by -l> |
| 00:27.36 | mango_ | prahal: runing the command bcm43xx-fwcutter -l give me an error message |
| 00:27.43 | mango_ | prahal: command not found |
| 00:27.49 | HSorgYves | can i restore a file overriden by echo > file on CLI? |
| 00:27.52 | prahal | remove xx as your version does not have them |
| 00:28.00 | prahal | this was the old name |
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| 00:28.04 | sigmonsays | dpkg, pinning? |
| 00:28.05 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 00:28.17 | mango_ | prahal: I did that still same thing |
| 00:29.24 | mango_ | prahal: it is working now....lol |
| 00:29.34 | prahal | do you have b43-fwcutter installed ? |
| 00:29.38 | mango_ | prahal..I don't know what I did wrong before |
| 00:29.42 | prahal | ah :) |
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| 00:30.54 | mango_ | prahaL: I dont think so..this is the output: http://pastebin.ca/1664263 |
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| 00:35.31 | mango_ | prahal: is there anything I can do to get it to work...? |
| 00:36.08 | prahal | mango_, ok this fwcutter is getting old I bet . Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ] was what was told in your previous paste (/var/log/kernel.log) . better trust the kernel message . Trying on my side to generate this cut |
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| 00:37.01 | tty3 | hello |
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| 00:38.15 | mango_ | prahal: thanks |
| 00:38.19 | tty3 | Where Debian cd .iso are for download? |
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| 00:39.31 | epsilon | debian.org |
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| 00:40.54 | SteveJones | sorry had to take a phone call if anyone was talkin to me |
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| 00:41.22 | prahal | mango_, lenny ? because on squeeze the installer for b43-fwcutter ask if we want it to automatically download the file and extract it |
| 00:41.48 | prahal | I don't know if it does on lenny (you could try dpkg-reconfigure -plow b43-fwcutter) |
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| 00:42.46 | prahal | http://mirror2.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2 otherwise (it shows where it downloaded them, this is the one for FW13)) |
| 00:43.02 | mango_ | prahal: same on lenny |
| 00:43.13 | mango_ | ok |
| 00:43.28 | toolz | how can I get the source of linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686-bigmem ? |
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| 00:44.28 | prahal | in this archive use broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5/driver/wl_apsta_mimo.o |
| 00:45.28 | toolz | linux-source-2.6.30 ? |
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| 00:46.45 | mango_ | Prahal: the above achive doesnot work for me.. |
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| 00:47.16 | prahal | those are the vanilla one . you need linux-tree-2.6.30 for the debian kernel |
| 00:48.03 | prahal | http://mirror2.openwrt.org/sources/broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2 ? or the .o inside when cut ? |
| 00:48.16 | abrotman | what's wrong with m-a ? |
| 00:48.38 | nsadmin | it's too abbrvtd! |
| 00:49.18 | abrotman | it's an actual question .. |
| 00:49.28 | prahal | about what ? |
| 00:50.15 | nsadmin | oic, so he's trying to compile outside of m-a but he's running debian and a packaged kernel, so you're asking why not use m-a |
| 00:50.27 | abrotman | right |
| 00:50.52 | abrotman | like .. aptitude install module-assistant ; m-a a-i wl |
| 00:50.57 | mango_ | prahal: I have got the tar file and extracted it...should I have to copy the wl_exe.o to /lib/firmware/ |
| 00:50.59 | mango_ | ? |
| 00:51.00 | nsadmin | the only answer I can think might be a possibility is no debianized module source is available... but I bet that's false |
| 00:51.05 | prahal | personal point of view I d like a dkms+m-a tool so I could have my modules build automagically for my custom kernel (well as I develop kernel modules for non linus tree I like it) but still I feel it lacks deb generation |
| 00:51.21 | abrotman | prahal: i've heard that m-a is going away .. but i don't see why he's not using it |
| 00:51.55 | prahal | mango_, nope . b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5/driver/wl_apsta_mimo.o |
| 00:52.38 | nsadmin | prahal: you can use make-kpkg to build that kiernel (or at least it's absolutely worth a try); you'd build the kernel that way and get the header package, install that, boot that kernel and then run m-a to try building the module |
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| 00:53.33 | prahal | nsadmin, I was talking about getting the debian source before compiling . THe process to build is left unexplained :) |
| 00:54.07 | prahal | oh about mine .... make-kpkg rebuild the kernel from scratch ... |
| 00:54.25 | prahal | this is slow .... |
| 00:54.39 | mango_ | prahal: I did that nothing after that? |
| 00:54.42 | prahal | and most of the time SUBDIRS=... make modules is enough |
| 00:54.45 | mango_ | that is it? |
| 00:55.18 | prahal | yes , unload and reload (sudo modprobe -r b43;sudo modprobe b43 ) |
| 00:55.28 | prahal | you should have more in /var/log/kernel.log |
| 00:56.25 | DeSian | any idea about this error? http://pastebin.com/md4d1e07 |
| 00:56.39 | prahal | as while trying registers sequence I could do more than 30 build of the module an hour make-kpkg is overkill |
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| 00:57.21 | prahal | DeSian, tried autoreconf -vfi ? |
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| 00:57.59 | DeSian | prahal, http://pastebin.com/m41f9ea1a |
| 00:58.05 | mango_ | prahal: I got Broadcom 43xx driver loaded [ Features: PMLR, Firmware-ID: FW13 ] |
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| 00:58.25 | pobega | I'm using an SSH connection as a SOCKS proxy, and I am wondering ... is there any sort of daemon that will autoconnect me to an SSH server (to act as a proxy) as a daemon/at boot time (to avoid me having to manually SSH in every single time) |
| 00:58.36 | prahal | DeSian, mkdir autom4te.cache ? |
| 00:59.11 | prahal | mango_, this is a bit of an issue ... not very verbose about any error :-( |
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| 01:00.37 | prahal | try to sudo b43-fwcutter -w /lib/firmware/`uname -r` broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5/driver/wl_apsta_mimo.o |
| 01:01.25 | prahal | as told in the ubuntu howto . That is weird but as I don't know the code of the firmware laoder for b43 (and which kernel version it is about) hard to tell if it really makes sense |
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| 01:02.04 | prahal | DeSian, could be an out of space or permission issue that s why I am asking if making the directory by hand helps |
| 01:02.14 | prahal | getting a more verbose error |
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| 01:03.38 | oblio | hola |
| 01:03.56 | oblio | i'm running squeeze and want to run docky - i have it gnome-do-docklets installed but don't see the docky theme to select |
| 01:03.59 | oblio | anyone have any pointers? |
| 01:03.59 | prahal | mango_,"dmesg|grep b43" shows nothing ? |
| 01:04.10 | mango_ | Prahal: not sure what you are talking about...this is the worst card I tried to get working for wifi |
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| 01:04.38 | mango_ | prahal: I got an error: Extracting b43/pcm5.fw |
| 01:04.38 | mango_ | failed to create output directory: No such file or directory |
| 01:04.57 | prahal | yep usually firmware are shipped in non-free but this one must have a very restrictive licence |
| 01:05.41 | mango_ | prahal: I did not do my home work before I purchased the laptop..just assumed that it would work |
| 01:05.44 | prahal | `uname -r` is pasted with backward quotes ? |
| 01:06.08 | mango_ | prahal: ok |
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| 01:08.15 | prahal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.52 | mango_ | prahal: am I looking at the kenernel headers there, cause I don't have a directory for `uname -r` |
| 01:08.58 | massmc | hello, I need to set up my machine so each user is able to vnc fluxbox their own session. There is not much info I can find out about this anywhere. can someone here help me please |
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| 01:09.03 | prahal | maybe sudo mkdir /lib/firmware/`uname -r` before executing this command |
| 01:09.12 | mango_ | ok |
| 01:10.03 | prahal | uname -r is to get the version of the kernel (thus -w /lib/firmware/`uname -r` is to copy the files in a kernel version specific directory |
| 01:10.24 | prahal | which kernel is it (I ll check the source to find this firmware loading code |
| 01:10.33 | cbrmonger | massmc: look at vncserver. each user shells into the box, then they can run vncserver, allocate each one there own screen number, then they can connect |
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| 01:11.40 | DeSian | prahal, i done somthing, i have this error now http://pastebin.com/m722c061f |
| 01:11.47 | mango_ | prahal: done...I have unloaded and uploaded the driver...how do I know that the changes has taken effect? |
| 01:12.37 | massmc | cbrmonger: so the first password tightvncserver asks for after install is the same for everyone right? |
| 01:12.38 | prahal | dmesg|grep b43 should shows something |
| 01:12.45 | massmc | i just dont get it |
| 01:13.30 | cbrmonger | massmc: only for that session. if you run vncserver as the user it will create a password file in their $HOME, so it will be diferent for each user |
| 01:13.31 | mango_ | prahal: nothing at all |
| 01:13.45 | cbrmonger | massmc: tightvnc will be running as root, it is NOT what you want |
| 01:13.59 | cbrmonger | massmc: as only one user will be able to vnc to the box at any one time |
| 01:14.04 | prahal | mango_, which kernel version ? |
| 01:14.12 | prahal | so I could look at the source |
| 01:15.00 | mango_ | prahal: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 01:15.00 | massmc | ahh so only 1 user at a time with flux? |
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| 01:16.24 | mango_ | prahal: does it work with this kernel...or should I upgrade? |
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| 01:17.40 | cbrmonger | massmc: not with flux, with tightvnc running from init.d |
| 01:17.42 | Kalisto_ | hey guys after a kernel upgrade my dmraid (fakeraid) is giving me problems. when i boot grub tells me: Kernel Panic not syncing VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown block.. any ideas? i tried update-initramfs already |
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| 01:18.28 | mischief | hey.. can anyone tell me what's causing this error when setting up courier? 'Starting Courier IMAP-SSL server:/etc/init.d/courier-imap-ssl: xrealloc: ../bash/subst.c:4494: cannot reallocate 1024 bytes (0 bytes allocated)' i made sure there's enough disk space and there should be enough memory |
| 01:18.34 | alin1 | maybe because of the ext4 fs? |
| 01:18.51 | DeSian | how can fix this error http://pastebin.com/ma4e4714 |
| 01:19.20 | prahal | mango_, hum I forgot to check for the driver to use (though this was already resolved ... but it would be really ***** going forward this way without being confident you are using the right one (that is there is a b43legacy |
| 01:20.01 | prahal | try modprobe b43legacy ... |
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| 01:20.26 | prahal | as b43-fwcutter told FW10 and I disregarded this but now I believe I was wrong doing |
| 01:22.25 | mango_ | prahal: I unloded the b43 driver first then uploaded b43legacy....but nothing with dmesg|grep b43 |
| 01:23.13 | DeSian | any one can help with this error? http://pastebin.com/m38162476 |
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| 01:24.31 | prahal | mango_, and in /var/log/kernel.log ? (b43 was the string used by b43 (new) but b43legacy could use uppercase somewhere or else . Currently reading http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_chip_types so it is supported but it does not tell if by legacy or new as far as I read yet |
| 01:24.52 | mango_ | prahal: with lspci -vnn | grep 14e4 tells me that it is a BCM4312 does that mean anything to you? |
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| 01:25.05 | mischief | DeSian, what is that error from? |
| 01:25.16 | mischief | maybe you need to install gtk2.0, just a guess though.. |
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| 01:25.32 | DeSian | mischief, from ./configure lxpanel in debian |
| 01:26.34 | mischief | try um, 'aptitude install libgtk2.0-0' |
| 01:26.37 | mango_ | prahal: I got a different message now -> Broadcom 43xx-legacy driver loaded [ Features: PLRID, Firmware-ID: FW10 ] |
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| 01:28.33 | prahal | mango_, ok so no better . Last attempt : See "You are using the b43 driver with an LP-PHY card (e.g. BCM4312)" in http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43 |
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| 01:29.42 | prahal | also lspci -vnn | grep 14e4 would help too |
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| 01:29.45 | abrotman | wtf |
| 01:29.49 | mango_ | prahal: on that link it asks debian and ubuntu users to only run sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter |
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| 01:30.02 | mango_ | prahal: and that is what I did initially |
| 01:30.11 | mango_ | but no further instructions are given |
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| 01:30.26 | Jullyend | someone already installed kerberos |
| 01:30.29 | mango_ | unless you want to run the whole thing from scratch |
| 01:30.51 | alin1 | hi |
| 01:30.57 | alin1 | just a question... |
| 01:31.20 | alin1 | do I need, as a nsimple debian user, to install SELinux? |
| 01:31.37 | prahal | the thing is this section tells to use wl_apsta.o and we used wl_apsta_mimo.o previously (as told by b43-fwcutter paste you had) |
| 01:31.41 | alin1 | first of all, could someone tell me in a few words what it is? |
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| 01:32.32 | prahal | and the tarball is broadcom-wl-4.178.10.4.tar.bz2 |
| 01:32.50 | prahal | not broadcom-wl-4.150.10.5.tar.bz2 |
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| 01:32.56 | mango_ | prahal: ok |
| 01:33.05 | prahal | as used by my copy of b43-fwcutter |
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| 01:33.15 | mango_ | prahal: should I have to remove the previous one? |
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| 01:33.38 | prahal | they will be overwritten |
| 01:33.48 | NotLim | hi there... i need some help.. i'm trying to load a library... and i keep seeing an awful error: http://pastebin.com/m64e2ad59 ... someone knows why is that? thanks |
| 01:33.56 | Supaplex | !ep |
| 01:33.56 | dpkg | Please stop using excessive punctuation. One exclamation point, question mark, period, ellipsis, comma, hyphen or interrobang is more than sufficient. Using excess punctuation means that you're more likely to be ignored by those who actually can help you, as it makes it difficult to see what you're actually asking. Continued use of excessive punctuation may result in a ban. |
| 01:34.12 | prahal | DeSian, this looks like aclocl m4 packages missing |
| 01:34.18 | prahal | aclocal that is |
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| 01:35.08 | prahal | DeSian, do you have pkg-config installed ? |
| 01:35.32 | DeSian | mischief, i've installed and worked ./configure but with make install have this error http://pastebin.com/m43cc260d prahal |
| 01:36.31 | prahal | there misses the actual error details above |
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| 01:37.41 | prahal | also apt-get build-dep lxpanel could fix quite many missing dependencies (even if not the same version of lxpanel it could help) |
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| 01:38.23 | abrotman | NotLim: i like the last echo test |
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| 01:39.19 | Kalisto_ | after an upgrade i no longer have an initrd.img in /boot any ideas how to generate get this? |
| 01:39.23 | NotLim | abrotman: you have any idea, why is there so many errors? like ERROR: ld.so: object 'test.so' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 01:40.01 | abrotman | NotLim: nope .. maybe ask a c/c++ channel ? |
| 01:40.19 | prahal | Kalisto_, update-initramfs -c -k <kernel_version> |
| 01:40.26 | ranix | NotLim: rootkit? |
| 01:40.32 | NotLim | rootkit? |
| 01:40.45 | mischief | DeSian, there's nothing really relevant in that paste.. why dont you just install the lx* packages instead of using source? |
| 01:40.45 | ranix | rootkits love to fuck with memcpy in ld_preload |
| 01:40.53 | prahal | nope . test is is own library |
| 01:41.05 | NotLim | yes, is my own |
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| 01:41.14 | abrotman | your own what? |
| 01:41.28 | NotLim | library? |
| 01:41.29 | abrotman | NotLim: 'uname -a' .. says what ? |
| 01:41.41 | NotLim | Linux e-op 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 5 02:23:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 01:41.51 | DeSian | mischief, because in need layout switcher, and the debian maintainer using just really very old version |
| 01:42.02 | abrotman | NotLim: i'd probably really ask a development channel or maybe ##linux |
| 01:42.06 | DeSian | is in sid the same no change since lenny |
| 01:42.09 | NotLim | okay, thanks |
| 01:42.11 | Kalisto_ | prahal after doing update-initramfs -u i get: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-14-generic does not exist. Cannot update. |
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| 01:42.38 | prahal | Kalisto_, -c -k <kernel_version> |
| 01:42.48 | prahal | -c -> create |
| 01:43.34 | Kalisto_ | prahal, sorry i tried: update-initramfs -c -k all and nothing shows up in /boot/ i dont get any errors though |
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| 01:43.40 | mischief | DeSian, what debian release are you using |
| 01:43.49 | DeSian | sid |
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| 01:44.03 | mischief | oh. dunno what to tell you then. there should be a lxde channel somewhere |
| 01:44.04 | prahal | -c -k <the kernel version you want to build init for> :) |
| 01:44.46 | DeSian | mischief, ok, they doind released version, you maintainer doesnt update it, have nothing to do with them |
| 01:45.17 | prahal | DeSian, might want to try experimetal package http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=lxpanel |
| 01:45.33 | Kalisto_ | prahal where do i find the kernel version? is it uname -a in chroot cause then it would be something like 2.6.31-14-generic |
| 01:45.45 | abrotman | that's not Debian |
| 01:45.52 | DeSian | prahal, is the same |
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| 01:46.13 | prahal | 0.5.3 isntead of 0.4.1 ? |
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| 01:46.26 | prahal | maybe not the latest still |
| 01:46.34 | abrotman | Kalisto_: why are you asking here about Ubuntu ? |
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| 01:47.02 | mango_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.07 | prahal | Kalisto_, yes it could be but ls /boot/vmlinuz-* will tell you what you have |
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| 01:48.07 | Kalisto_ | prahal, it comes back as: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic so is it: vmlinuz-2.6.31-14-generic or just 2.6.31-14-generic |
| 01:48.35 | abrotman | Kalisto_: please go to #ubuntu for Ubuntu support |
| 01:48.42 | prahal | mango_, my bad . I am becoming sleepy . Did not catcht he first line : b43 driver from linux-2.6.32 and newer or compat-wireless-2.6 and also Use the current Git version of b43-fwcutter. |
| 01:49.44 | Kalisto_ | abrotman, im here because i get no help from the ubuntu channel. in this case it seems the issue would be the same on debian |
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| 01:49.58 | abrotman | Kalisto_: Ubuntu is offtopic here. Go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 01:50.00 | prahal | this one is hard to reach ... not in debian yet (even experimental) |
| 01:50.06 | gyyg | hey, in /var/log/messages what field refers to the port? |
| 01:50.15 | gyyg | spt? dpt? |
| 01:50.20 | Kalisto_ | abrotman, did you read what i just said? |
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| 01:50.32 | mango_ | prahal: thanks a lot for your time...I will try to resolve it ...Ihave learn so much with this....I will let you know ...thanks once again...if I don |
| 01:50.38 | abrotman | Kalisto_: That's not our problem. Ubuntu is still offtopic, go to #ubuntu or ##linux |
| 01:50.45 | mango_ | If I don't get it I will be back |
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| 01:51.40 | flourish | hello everyone, quick question. To setup a jabber server, which DNS RR needs? |
| 01:52.15 | abrotman | DNS RR ? |
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| 01:52.52 | flourish | yes, it think a jabber server need special dns record to communicate with other servers |
| 01:53.13 | flourish | but i am not sure |
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| 01:54.15 | gyyg | does anyone know about /var/log/messages |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | gyyg: you're being pretty vague |
| 01:54.42 | abrotman | flourish: whichever jabberd you're installing should have documentation on what DNS records you need to setup |
| 01:54.44 | gyyg | i am trying to find what port is being attacked |
| 01:54.52 | gyyg | which feild will it be? |
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| 01:55.48 | Supaplex | gyyg: depends on the service |
| 01:55.55 | Supaplex | wild guess is ssh |
| 01:56.06 | abrotman | gyyg: show us a sample line (clean out your IP) |
| 01:56.21 | abrotman | gyyg: but i'd guess the dst is theone you're interseted in |
| 01:56.33 | gyyg | dpt is the destination port? |
| 01:56.43 | Supaplex | ahhcoo*CONTEXT*oooo |
| 01:56.55 | flourish | abrotman: yes, i have read the manual and it show me the SRV record, but i'm not sure. So i wonder if someone here has experience on this:-) Well, thanks. |
| 01:57.18 | abrotman | flourish: which jabberd is it? |
| 01:57.35 | gyyg | where will it say if it is attacking? I am trying to right a perl script to parse the file |
| 01:57.45 | jaredj | so libc6 2.10.1-6 is broken. "invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/-query not found." afaict this is a missing dash. how long and how much does libc6 take to build? is it worth it to fix it or should i just wait? |
| 01:57.54 | Supaplex | gyyg: like fail2ban? |
| 01:59.47 | flourish | abrotman: ejabberd. I don't know which is the best jabberd, can you please give me some advice:-) |
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| 02:00.08 | abrotman | flourish: that seems to be the most popular lately |
| 02:00.11 | abrotman | AFAIK |
| 02:00.51 | flourish | abrotman: sorry, the document i read is about jabberd, not ejabberd:-) So, maybe i will have a try ejabberd |
| 02:00.54 | Supaplex | ponders popcon |
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| 02:01.25 | flourish | jabberd2 |
| 02:02.28 | flourish | abrotman: thanks, and i am starting to learn the ejabberd now;-) |
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| 02:05.12 | gyyg | i have a CS homework assignment. I am meant to parse a log file looking for machines that are logged as 'attacking'. what exactly should I be looking for. The file is immense |
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| 02:07.07 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 02:07.09 | iluminator101 | hmmm....how do i drop ip with ufw |
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| 02:07.32 | abrotman | iluminator101: man ufw .. i'm sure it's well documented |
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| 02:09.40 | dvs | !ops levanta is spamming |
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| 02:09.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: dvs complains about: levanta is spamming |
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| 02:09.58 | abrotman | oh whoops |
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| 02:10.24 | mentor | There we go |
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| 02:10.32 | abrotman | wonders why the bot didn't get it |
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| 02:14.20 | iluminator101 | abortman:i read the man ufw, what i mean if you have a server and ip comes in through port 80, but how can i drop it completely even though its in through another port |
| 02:14.33 | abrotman | i'm not going ot read the documentation for you |
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| 02:24.11 | cbrmonger | hi all, stupid question i know, but what file do i need to edit to stop /etc/issue and /etc/issue.net being overwritten on reboot? |
| 02:24.49 | abrotman | you mean which file should you change so your changes are persistent ? |
| 02:25.06 | cbrmonger | abrotman: yes, sorry |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | you probably want to alter /etc/motd.tail .. if i'm understanding your issue |
| 02:26.29 | cbrmonger | abrotman: yep, /etc/motd doesn't get rewritten on reboot does it? |
| 02:26.38 | abrotman | cbrmonger: i said /etc/motd.tail |
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| 02:27.20 | cbrmonger | abrotman: i know. but before i looked at that file i cat'd /etc/motd thinking that the .tail version simply added, rather than created it |
| 02:27.41 | cbrmonger | abrotman: thanks for your help |
| 02:27.48 | abrotman | cbrmonger: did it actually help ? |
| 02:28.46 | cbrmonger | abrotman: looks like it will. from what i can tell motd.tail holds the info that is written to issue and issue.net so changing it should make the changes i want persistent |
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| 02:30.45 | rares | can debian tell if my machine is using ECC RAM? |
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| 02:32.09 | abrotman | possibly hwinfo or lshw |
| 02:32.19 | rgr | where does gnome-alsamixer keep its stuff. I rewrote my local .asoundrc, I removed my /etc/asound.conf and its still showing these "virtual" mixers. |
| 02:34.09 | rgr | iec958 ... |
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| 02:36.11 | mogunus | Hi. What is the best way to increase performance on PDF viewing? |
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| 02:36.30 | markybob_ | remove adobe acrobat |
| 02:36.55 | mogunus | I'm on a lenny, 64 bit system, using evince. FOr large PDFs, there's a very noticable time lag in page flipping. I have 4GB of ram and a dual core processor. |
| 02:37.07 | mogunus | Using evince, currently. |
| 02:37.10 | texasjack | mognus, creating or reading one? |
| 02:37.15 | mogunus | Just reading. |
| 02:37.19 | texasjack | mogunus, reading, then.... |
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| 02:37.38 | abrotman | mogunus: tried xpdf ? |
| 02:37.43 | texasjack | mogunus, tried xpdf, yet? |
| 02:38.39 | mogunus | Hm, I tried it a while back and didn't like the rendering as much, but I'd be willing to comprimise on that for speed. Let me do a little test... |
| 02:39.18 | texasjack | mogunus, or make a search, on Synaptic, 1st by "Name", 2nd by "Description and name", for "pdf", and then choose one. |
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| 02:40.40 | cbrmonger | abrotman: editing /etc/motd.tail worked perfectly (just rebooted the box and everything is how it should be). thanks! |
| 02:40.52 | abrotman | enjoy! |
| 02:41.32 | abrotman | mogunus: FWIW .. i think evince loads the document as you scroll through it .. meaning if you go forward a few .. then back a few .. then forward again .. is it faster ? |
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| 02:42.06 | mogunus | abrotman: weirdly enough, yes. |
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| 02:42.34 | ian_ | Does evince have a thumbnails side panel that tracks where you are in the document? |
| 02:42.43 | icebrain | btw, there are some people who convert (render) the pdf to static pngs before reading, do you know any app that can do that? |
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| 02:42.56 | ian_ | Because KPDF used to do that, but it made things really slow |
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| 02:43.35 | abrotman | icebrain: there is pdf2svg .. then you could go to whatever you want |
| 02:43.36 | mogunus | ian_: yes, but I always turn that off. |
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| 02:44.53 | mogunus | hm. I wish xpfd could do two-page mode: it is a lot faster than evince |
| 02:45.23 | icebrain | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:46.32 | rgr | mogunus: sacrilege though it might be to some I prefer adobe reader for PDFs. Far better navigation and pane handling than the others. |
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| 02:47.28 | rgr | Looking at a 320 page doc now and navigation is instant. |
| 02:48.11 | rgr | and it does two page and two page continuous. |
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| 02:54.17 | WormFood | why is firefox/iceweasel sucking so bad lately? I have to constantly restart it to make it view pages properly |
| 02:54.51 | markybob_ | WormFood, lately? i dont remember it ever working well. always crashing and talking forever to start/close |
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| 02:55.07 | WormFood | well, more than normal within the last few months |
| 02:55.15 | WormFood | what is better? |
| 02:55.49 | WormFood | I never cared for opera that much, but I haven't tried it in years |
| 02:55.50 | markybob_ | anything? epiphany, konqueror, chromium, opera |
| 02:56.05 | WormFood | chrome is not out for Linux it appears |
| 02:56.17 | markybob_ | i'm running chromium in linux just fine |
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| 02:56.19 | WormFood | is the "anything" browser good? :P |
| 02:56.21 | abrotman | except epiphany is the same rendering engine |
| 02:56.33 | markybob_ | eiphany has a webkit option |
| 02:56.36 | markybob_ | epiphany* |
| 02:56.50 | WormFood | I like the noscript plugin for FF |
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| 02:57.21 | WormFood | I hate that god damn flash shit.....that garbage will bring the fastest machine to its knees with some of the shit sites out there |
| 02:57.21 | abrotman | markybob_: last i tried it, it was buggy |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | WormFood: you could uh .. not use flash |
| 02:57.44 | markybob_ | abrotman, ...and? still far better than iceweasel |
| 02:58.11 | abrotman | markybob_: i wish kashakshze worked better |
| 02:58.38 | markybob_ | WormFood, add midori to the list of better browsers |
| 02:59.02 | rgr | hmmph. firefox (iceweasel) is one of the few OSS apps I use daily with zero issues. OK the debian flash install is bOrked on the laptop but fine on my desltop. Cant fault firefox to be honest. |
| 02:59.29 | abrotman | WormFood: and you may want to try opera again .. it has many fans |
| 02:59.31 | WormFood | abrotman, thanks for that useless suggestion, as at least one site I need to use is heavy in flash...I fuckin' hate it! |
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| 02:59.51 | abrotman | not useless ... just not an option for you |
| 02:59.55 | markybob_ | WormFood, chromium on linux runs great with flash...not one crash here yet |
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| 03:00.34 | WormFood | thanks for the suggestions guys...checking them out now... |
| 03:00.55 | markybob_ | WormFood, 32 or 64bit? |
| 03:00.59 | WormFood | 32 |
| 03:01.11 | markybob_ | WormFood, http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/chromium-rel-linux/31536/ |
| 03:01.42 | WormFood | cool...thanks...that is what I couldn't find |
| 03:02.10 | WormFood | heh...but why in the hell is it a .zip file? for Linux I'd expect a tarball |
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| 03:02.41 | markybob_ | eh. tarballs are usually associated with source...i assume that did that so it'd be clear that it's a binary |
| 03:03.02 | icebrain | are blobs from firmware-linux included in initrd? I'm trying to build a monolithic kernel, but I need a blob for the e100 ethernet module. Is there any way to include it without building an initrd? |
| 03:03.48 | mogunus | One of my classes makes me use a flash-based website for homework problems. It is pretty godawful. |
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| 03:04.18 | WormFood | why do these fucktards insist on using garbage like flash? |
| 03:04.39 | WormFood | I remember when flash was new, one of my friends thought it was the greatest thing ever |
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| 03:05.15 | mogunus | So I have a flash install on firefox, and use midori for most of my browsing. |
| 03:05.41 | icebrain | WormFood: flash isn't so bad for online 2d games. Sucks at everything else though |
| 03:06.07 | WormFood | as far as making a real web site, it sucks horribly |
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| 03:07.21 | icebrain | sucks for video playing too, but until browsers agree on a codec, we're stuck with it :( |
| 03:07.36 | ian_ | Haven't you noticed that Firefox is much smoother on Windows than Linux? |
| 03:07.56 | markybob_ | ian_, that's not news |
| 03:08.05 | WormFood | no ian_....I don't use winblows |
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| 03:08.24 | ian_ | I know it's not news. I want to know why. |
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| 03:08.58 | m4rkus | 20 Years Ago ! The Wall 9 November 1989 - 9 November 2009 |
| 03:09.02 | icebrain | ian_: there was something related to code profiling, which wasn't enabled for linux. Don't now if it's still true |
| 03:09.04 | WormFood | because there are more winblows developers, putting more time and effort into it? maybe using more winblows specific calls on the winblows version? |
| 03:09.24 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:09.24 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
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| 03:10.20 | icebrain | any takers on my question above? I don't want to build an initrd :| |
| 03:10.26 | mogunus | Where does this channel log to? |
| 03:10.29 | alex_1 | hi all, I'm trying to connect my garmin nuvi 850 to my laptop(lenny). is there a soft which would show me current location? thanks |
| 03:10.37 | abrotman | mogunus: /topic |
| 03:10.38 | WormFood | I don't think you have much of a choice there icebrain |
| 03:11.11 | PhorceP | Would things loading when I run "reboot" be a sign that the new "dependency based boot sequence" has done me dirty? How would I go about fixing that? |
| 03:11.40 | WormFood | icebrain, what is your objection with initdrd? |
| 03:11.41 | zeromus | i have an app `desmume` which gets packaged around for linux, which also has a visual studio port with significantly more functionality. in order to compile the visual studio port, a number of rather huge static libs (22.4M uncompressed) need to be included. In order to have an entirely self-sufficient source tarball in our project, these would need to be included. however for purposes of distributing around linux distros, the windows |
| 03:12.32 | abrotman | zeromus: you got cut off at ",the windows" |
| 03:12.39 | zeromus | dir could just be deleted with no problem. my question is: what is the polite or proper thing to do in this case? |
| 03:12.56 | abrotman | polite? |
| 03:13.10 | rgr | mogunus: funny you mention logging of channels. I just installed dircproxy! keeps a local log. Excellent. You can reconnect and miss nothing. |
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| 03:13.41 | zeromus | i dunno what word to use. im just wondering whether anybody knows any similar cases and what they do or what a normal approach would be. |
| 03:14.04 | WormFood | zeromus, nobody knows what you are talking about |
| 03:14.06 | abrotman | wouldn't it make more sense to ask them ? |
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| 03:14.33 | WormFood | zeromus, you were told your very long line was cut off, so we didn't see everything you tried to say |
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| 03:14.53 | zeromus | i pasted the rest of it. i suppose i shouldve pasted a little more for context. |
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| 03:14.58 | rgr | "windows dir" isnt it. I can see it. |
| 03:15.01 | mogunus | rgr: oh, cool. I should check that out. |
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| 03:15.38 | iluminator101 | k3b error Only one line in dcopserver file !: |
| 03:15.38 | iluminator101 | DCOPClient::attachInternal. Attach failed networkIdsList argument is NULL |
| 03:15.38 | iluminator101 | Only one line in dcopserver file !: |
| 03:15.44 | rgr | just remember to hash your password in the config file they provide using dircproxy-crypt! |
| 03:16.26 | SolarisBoy | ls |
| 03:16.30 | zeromus | well, how much do debian packagers typically butcher up a project's official source tarball in order to manufacture the debian source package? is it abnormal to have to butcher it at all, or is it sometimes highly processed? |
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| 03:18.53 | mogunus | zeromus: AFAIK, this consistent policy will tell you: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 03:21.43 | zeromus | thanks, ill take a look |
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| 03:22.36 | iluminator101 | k3b error i get http://pastebin.com/d917d91d |
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| 03:24.28 | WormFood | who wants to ride the net split? that was fun! |
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| 03:24.59 | Eclipser | you must be bored |
| 03:25.09 | rares | if hwinfo says it has 2 slots and Max Size 2 GB does that 2 2 GB chips or 2 1 GB chips? |
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| 03:25.35 | WormFood | chips? |
| 03:25.52 | WormFood | that is not clear....does it say 2 gig per slot, or 2 gig total? |
| 03:26.08 | abrotman | rares: can you paste it in a pastebin ? |
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| 03:27.21 | rares | Max Size 2GB is what it says |
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| 03:30.54 | WormFood | rares, that is not clear....probably 2 gig per slot |
| 03:31.05 | rares | http://debian.pastebin.com/d573ecc88 |
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| 03:31.33 | rares | it's one of those Iwill cubes |
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| 03:37.15 | massmc | hi, I have fluxbox installed on a vps and have the vns with xdm running well. Now how do I make it so that other users are able to log in with their own user accounts? |
| 03:37.16 | MrLogan | Can someone either pass me a link on how to add the non-free repos. to my /etc/apt/source list, or give me a brief run down of how to do it? |
| 03:37.30 | massmc | vns =- vnc |
| 03:37.41 | abrotman | !tell MrLogan about non-free |
| 03:37.51 | MrLogan | abrotman, thanks - I'll read it now. |
| 03:38.09 | massmc | hi abrotman |
| 03:38.34 | abrotman | hi |
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| 03:40.17 | massmc | MrLogan: you can cd /etc/apt/ then run nano sources.list |
| 03:40.38 | massmc | MrLogan: then you can add the non free repos in there |
| 03:41.02 | MrLogan | massmc, So I'm going to <sudo> cd /etc/apt, then nano sources.list? |
| 03:41.30 | massmc | yes, that's how i do it anyways.. |
| 03:42.11 | MrLogan | massmc, Ok, I got that down. How do I add the non frees? I'm sorry I'm being such a n00b tonight. I'm brand, spanking new to Debian (from Ubuntu) and I've had a looong day. I just want to get my wireless working... |
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| 03:43.11 | oh_noes | is there a text based Boot Screen that I can use instead of displaying all the SysV scripts starting? |
| 03:43.21 | oh_noes | I dont want to use a proper X one...just simple Text based |
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| 03:44.22 | WormFood | rares, I think it means 2 gig total, because it is listed under motherboard |
| 03:45.06 | massmc | MrLogan: do you have the non-free repo lines to add to the sources? I dont use the non-free so my list would be different |
| 03:45.26 | MrLogan | massmc, you mean like deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian etch main contrib non-free restricted? |
| 03:45.43 | MrLogan | Um... - this is the official I think - deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian etch non-free |
| 03:45.49 | massmc | you're on etch or lenny? |
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| 03:46.16 | MrLogan | massmc, Lenny. I just caught the etch in the line. |
| 03:46.40 | WormFood | does anyone know of a good VPS host that offers debian installs? I want to get the hell off SentOS |
| 03:46.50 | massmc | aight find the lenny one, then just paste it in the sources list like the others.. then run aptitude update |
| 03:47.10 | MrLogan | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free - does that look right bud? |
| 03:47.26 | massmc | MrLogan: yep |
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| 03:47.52 | MrLogan | massmc - ok. Let me try it. If my computer catches fire please don't hesitate to call 911. =) |
| 03:47.53 | WormFood | how much do you have to pay, if it is "non-free"? :P |
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| 03:48.02 | massmc | lol |
| 03:48.17 | WormFood | if your computer catches fire, I'll call 110 for you |
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| 03:48.24 | MrLogan | Do I just paste it at the bottom? |
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| 03:48.29 | MrLogan | What's 110? |
| 03:48.52 | WormFood | that is the number for fire where I live |
| 03:49.03 | MrLogan | WormFood - Europe? |
| 03:49.08 | WormFood | no |
| 03:49.11 | abrotman | WormFood: please keep it ontopic |
| 03:49.13 | MrLogan | oh, my bad. |
| 03:49.23 | MrLogan | Sorry Abrotman - it's my fault. |
| 03:49.29 | WormFood | MrLogan, China |
| 03:49.32 | massmc | MrLogan: yes. then ctrl-x to write, then save |
| 03:49.50 | MrLogan | massmc - one last question - comments are with #, right? |
| 03:49.59 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:49.59 | WormFood | correct MrLogan |
| 03:50.02 | massmc | yes |
| 03:51.51 | MrLogan | What's the update command for debian? apt-get update? |
| 03:51.59 | WormFood | yeah |
| 03:52.01 | abrotman | aptitude update |
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| 03:52.06 | MrLogan | It's not working. =( |
| 03:52.10 | WormFood | and apt-get upgrade to upgrade your packages |
| 03:52.11 | MrLogan | Aptitude update did. |
| 03:52.21 | abrotman | you should be using aptitude |
| 03:52.39 | franki^ | aptitude <2 |
| 03:52.42 | MrLogan | abrotman - aren't I? |
| 03:52.42 | abrotman | some people are stubborn and/or clueless .. keep clinging to apt-get, but in almost all cases, aptitude is better |
| 03:52.48 | franki^ | <3 too |
| 03:53.14 | abrotman | MrLogan: so does 'aptitude update' work ? |
| 03:53.22 | Xenguy | is one of the old school apt-getters... |
| 03:53.23 | MrLogan | abrotman - (the whole channel prepare for M@XXX LULZ) what's the difference? I thought apt was short for aptitude |
| 03:53.26 | MrLogan | abrotman - it did |
| 03:53.39 | abrotman | MrLogan: okay |
| 03:53.53 | WormFood | me too Xenguy |
| 03:54.32 | abrotman | yeah .. and we've got old school dselect people too .. doesn't make it a good idea |
| 03:54.51 | abrotman | MrLogan: need help with anything else ? |
| 03:54.57 | MrLogan | I'm going down for reboot to see if this worked. I will be right back to let you guys know. So far - thanks for all your help! |
| 03:55.04 | MrLogan | I will be back in about three minutes. |
| 03:55.12 | abrotman | eh .. hopefully |
| 03:55.18 | Xenguy | WormFood: If aptitudes search syntax wasn't so quirky, I might have bothered to change. As it is, I probably won't switch until something breaks horribly -- at it just hasn't yet, including dist-upgrades, so |
| 03:56.02 | abrotman | Xenguy: how is it quirky ? |
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| 03:57.46 | Xenguy | abrotman: greetings, but no energy for debate tonight (I have to sleep); I'm just refering to aptitudes ~ search syntax; I wish it had been more like apt-cache's by default, that's all |
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| 03:58.02 | MrLogan | It worked like a charm. |
| 03:58.03 | abrotman | Xenguy: it's not that many extra characters to get the same result |
| 03:58.19 | MrLogan | Thank you all so much. =) |
| 03:58.33 | franki^ | MrLogan: apt stands for "advanced packaging tool", aptitude is just a sort of play on words, aptitude is the "new apt-get", the differences in functionality are subtle, but it basically combines all of the apt-* tools into one logical interface, and it has a nice ncurses mode |
| 03:58.54 | franki^ | the only problem is it doesn't have super cow powers :/ |
| 03:59.01 | Xenguy | abrotman: true, but when you are used to methods that just continue to work fine... like I say, I probably need to get bitten once before I change my engrained habits ;-) |
| 03:59.02 | MrLogan | franki^, Thanks. =) |
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| 03:59.15 | abrotman | not really subtle .. the problem resolution in aptitude is *far* superior to apt-get |
| 03:59.25 | MrLogan | franki^, So when I want to get a package I just run aptitude get install <package>? |
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| 03:59.34 | abrotman | MrLogan: aptitude install foo |
| 03:59.35 | franki^ | MrLogan: just "aptitude install" |
| 03:59.48 | abrotman | Xenguy: up to you .. really no reason to stay with apt-get |
| 03:59.55 | prince_jammys | you should check out the interface. |
| 03:59.59 | MrLogan | Wow - that's handy. It saves me a half-calorie of typing. |
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| 04:00.23 | prince_jammys | it's a hell of an app. ++ |
| 04:00.38 | Xenguy | abrotman: I just don't get the "problems" that might need resolution, and hence my laziness around the issue. All in good time... Nite all |
| 04:00.44 | MrLogan | When does the next release of Debian come out? Sometime next year? |
| 04:00.54 | MrLogan | Good night Xenguy |
| 04:00.57 | Xenguy | !wwsr |
| 04:00.57 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a <freeze> starting in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>. |
| 04:01.03 | abrotman | MrLogan: hopefully .. no set date yet |
| 04:01.29 | MrLogan | Xenguy, cool. Thanks |
| 04:01.34 | MrLogan | abrotman, I understand. =) |
| 04:02.07 | massmc | so if the <freeze> starts in march wouldnt it take about 6 months after that for official release? just wondering |
| 04:02.40 | MrLogan | What's the command to back out of su-? |
| 04:02.48 | massmc | MrLogan: exit |
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| 04:03.30 | MrLogan | massmc, doesn't that close the terminal? |
| 04:03.30 | massmc | not if you're su |
| 04:03.30 | abrotman | massmc: there's no way to tell .. it depends how quickly problems/bugs are resolved |
| 04:03.30 | MrLogan | massmc, I gotcha |
| 04:03.30 | prince_jammys | if you type it again, likely yes |
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| 04:03.32 | MrLogan | AFK a moment |
| 04:04.18 | zeromus | do package.orig.tar.gz and package.diff.tar.gz both go to every users computer where it is patched on the spot or is that only for recordkeeping in the debian background processes? |
| 04:05.06 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 04:05.06 | dpkg | i guess mentors is the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 04:07.16 | zeromus | i dont want to be a debian maintainer or debian developer, i just want to understand the implications of how i archive my project on debian maintainers. |
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| 04:08.07 | abrotman | they might be able to help you |
| 04:08.17 | zeromus | ok ill check there then |
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| 04:11.01 | MrLogan | I want to thank you all again for your help earlier. =) |
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| 04:15.53 | MrLogan | If I want to remove a package and all related directories, files, etc do I need to use the purge command? |
| 04:16.09 | WormFood | yes |
| 04:16.42 | MrLogan | Thanks WormFood. |
| 04:16.56 | WormFood | if you don't use purge, it may leave config files laying around |
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| 04:17.12 | WormFood | what branch you running MrLogan? |
| 04:17.31 | MrLogan | WormFood - what do you mean? |
| 04:17.42 | MrLogan | (Linux newbie) |
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| 04:18.00 | WormFood | what branch of debian? I'm guessing stable? |
| 04:19.07 | MrLogan | I'm using Lenny |
| 04:19.09 | MrLogan | Stable |
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| 04:22.09 | kim_bruning | I'm using debian 500, and I've tried googling around, but haven't found an answer to a fairly simple question. During install, can I somehow abort while the installer is downloading and installing packages (in case I made a mistake?) , also, if I reboot the machine, the installer insists on partitioning and reinstalling the base system even if i already did that. This way I get penalized very very heavily for making small mistakes. Do newer versions |
| 04:22.10 | kim_bruning | of debian ahve an abort perhaps? |
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| 04:23.38 | kim_bruning | This would also be less irritating if I was only ever doing an install once on my only ever machine, but if you're using KVM... dang does it get old quick... ;-) |
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| 04:24.32 | MrLogan | kim_bruning, I did the same thing three times in a row. Each time I just did a hard reboot. (I'm tired and kept making minor mistakes) |
| 04:24.57 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, exactly my problem, yeah. |
| 04:25.36 | MrLogan | kim_bruning, I completely sympathize with you on the abort idea. I don't know if it does or not. I'm kind of a Linux newbie and I'm not much help. = / |
| 04:25.39 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, but when I do a hard reboot, it insists on starting from scratch, which costs an additional 15 minutes. *and* it asks questions in the middle of the install, rather than all at the start or all at the end... |
| 04:25.52 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, fair enough :-) |
| 04:26.25 | kim_bruning | Perhaps I should use ubuntu instead, but I didn't think that was really very efficient on servers... |
| 04:26.36 | MrLogan | kim_bruning, I completely sympathize - completely. =P On top of it my wifi wasn't working, so I had to sit tethered to the modem for an hour while I kept rebooting and reinstalling. |
| 04:26.41 | kim_bruning | what the heck, I've got KVM, definitely worth looking into ;-) |
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| 04:26.52 | MrLogan | kim_bruning, I'm coming off Ubuntu. I have to say I like Debian more. = / |
| 04:27.03 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, despite the issues? ;-) |
| 04:27.24 | MrLogan | kim_bruning, I have yet to run into an issue I could not 1) work around or 2) ignore |
| 04:27.39 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, I use ubuntu, debian, and gentoo, (and a strange lumbering creature that was once SuSE) |
| 04:27.51 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, good attitude ;-) |
| 04:28.14 | kim_bruning | Anyway, I'm playing with KVM (virtual machine system)... it's nicer than XEN so far |
| 04:28.19 | MrLogan | kim_bruning, I'm only experienced with Ubuntu. I tried Fedora - but it screamed at me constantly. |
| 04:28.28 | kim_bruning | but I can't tell you much more 'till I actually get a working debian installed on it ;-) |
| 04:28.35 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, it screamed at you? |
| 04:28.40 | MrLogan | kim_bruning, I've only ever used VB for my VM's. |
| 04:28.40 | kim_bruning | that seems rather impolite :-P |
| 04:28.54 | kim_bruning | VB? |
| 04:28.55 | MrLogan | Yes, it screamed and tried to stab me with sharp things. Sharp things with pointy ends. |
| 04:28.59 | MrLogan | VirtualBox |
| 04:29.01 | kim_bruning | Ouchies! |
| 04:29.05 | kim_bruning | ah virtualbox |
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| 04:30.24 | MrLogan | What is Unix time? All I see is like 1246837888 |
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| 04:30.34 | markybob_ | MrLogan, google it |
| 04:31.03 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, Unix time is the number of seconds since the unix epoch (Midnight 1 january 1970) |
| 04:31.05 | jmarsden | kim_bruning: I don't think there is a "nice" way to cancel a Debian install part way through and expect the remaining "half-install" to be in any useful state whatsoever. So the next run of the installer will "start over". If you need to do many automated installs, you can use preseeding... see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
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| 04:31.19 | BubbaT | Is this the best channel to ask about getting my laptop wireless networking running? |
| 04:31.37 | BubbaT | With debian of course. |
| 04:31.38 | MrLogan | kim_bruning, Thank |
| 04:31.41 | MrLogan | (thanks |
| 04:31.57 | MrLogan | BubbaT, one second. I has a guide for you. =) |
| 04:32.04 | kim_bruning | jmarsden, bother |
| 04:32.37 | MrLogan | BubbaT, http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi - this is what I used to get mine working. If you run into an issue just let us know. |
| 04:33.34 | kim_bruning | jmarsden, crazily enough, a gentoo install actually CAN be broken out of at every step. Which tends to be useful seeing gentoos <sarcasm>*blazing* speed</sarcasm>. I've never had cause to break out of an ubuntu install, due to ubuntus <sincere>*blazing* speed</sincere> |
| 04:33.38 | kim_bruning | scratches head |
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| 04:34.32 | kim_bruning | I would think that debian would be *just right* ... Oh well, another illusion down the drain. You can imagine it can get quite frustrating if you've just downloaded 100 packages and would like to *not* have to download them all again ;-) |
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| 04:35.27 | markybob_ | kim_bruning, go complain somewhere else....like #ubuntu. we dont care if you dont like debian |
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| 04:36.40 | kim_bruning | markybob_, Fair enough. I suppose I could submit a feature request at some point. |
| 04:38.03 | kim_bruning | And I like debian just fine. That doesn't mean it can't be made more people-friendly |
| 04:38.05 | kim_bruning | ;-) |
| 04:38.58 | MrLogan | kim_bruning, Don't mind markybob_ too much. His mother didn't hug him enough as a child. = / |
| 04:39.35 | wols | kim_bruning: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 04:40.09 | kim_bruning | wols, That's brilliant. 'cept this here graphical installer insists on reformatting the entire drive or something. |
| 04:40.19 | wols | this is bs |
| 04:40.30 | kim_bruning | wols, there's a way around it? |
| 04:40.32 | wols | not to mention, the netinst does not make you download ANYTHING |
| 04:40.42 | kim_bruning | scratches head |
| 04:40.45 | markybob_ | MrLogan, my mother, and ubuntu and gentoo are all off topic. stay on topic or shut up |
| 04:40.47 | kim_bruning | wols, which version are you using? |
| 04:41.21 | jmarsden | kim_bruning: Avoiding the redownloading is just a matter of using a local cache... or you can do a minimal install from a netinst CD and then add packages afterwards, as wols was suggesting. |
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| 04:41.55 | wols | kim_bruning: just fyi, there is always a 2nd virtual console in the installer |
| 04:42.13 | MrLogan | markybob_, While your mother, ubuntu, and gentoo may indeed be all off-topic; I feel, as I'm sure at least some others do, that having such a poor attitude in a room designed and aimed at people who're having problems and are seeking help is equally, if not more, distracting and derailing. Brighten up, pop a prozac, or shut up. = / |
| 04:42.14 | kim_bruning | jmarsden, I see. That works. The installer doesn't really show me that option... |
| 04:42.31 | MrLogan | Does Debian use tar.gz? |
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| 04:42.43 | wols | MrLogan: for what? |
| 04:42.52 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, Debian does not use tar.gz. That would be one of the other systems that has been declared off-topic ;-) |
| 04:42.54 | MrLogan | I'm trying to install Flash Player 10. |
| 04:43.05 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, aren't you supposed to do that via the installer? |
| 04:43.06 | jmarsden | kim_bruning: Debian uses tar.gz for source code tarballs... |
| 04:43.07 | wols | !tell MrLogan about dmm |
| 04:43.14 | MrLogan | *face palm* Oh God - here comes the OT nazi |
| 04:43.22 | MrLogan | Thanks wols. =) |
| 04:43.53 | markybob_ | MrLogan, nice. you cant install flash in debian but you're supposed to be the voice of reason? |
| 04:44.01 | kim_bruning | jmarsden, well, most systems do. But most systems do not deal with tar.gz automagically ;-) |
| 04:44.24 | MrLogan | markybob_, Who's off-topic now bud? =) |
| 04:44.31 | BubbaT | I'm having one small problem setting up wireless networking. The chipset directory uses card manufacturer but my wireless is part of my laptop not a card. |
| 04:44.40 | kim_bruning | Just checking: is it actually wise to install flass off of a tar.gz? |
| 04:44.43 | wols | BubbaT: what wlan chip? |
| 04:44.43 | markybob_ | MrLogan, you. aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
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| 04:45.03 | kim_bruning | BubbaT, try lspci to get manufacturer info |
| 04:45.07 | MrLogan | markybob_, That didn't grab Flash 10. The one it grabbed seems to be... choppy |
| 04:45.08 | wols | kim_bruning: no. circumventing the package manager leads to bad headaches |
| 04:45.29 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, what wols said ;-) |
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| 04:45.53 | kim_bruning | MrLogan, and flash is a crapshoot... 'cause adobe doesn't really support it very well on linux :-( |
| 04:45.54 | BubbaT | kim_bruning, I know the chipset (Atheros AR5B91 ), but they don't list chipsets on that page. |
| 04:46.13 | kim_bruning | BubbaT, dang |
| 04:46.13 | BubbaT | wols: I just said it in the line above. |
| 04:46.27 | BubbaT | What's dang mean? |
| 04:46.33 | wols | MrLogan: http://debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/f/flash-player/flash-player.php |
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| 04:47.05 | wols | BubbaT: ath5k is the driver you most probably need |
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| 04:47.55 | kim_bruning | Cool beans |
| 04:47.59 | kim_bruning | my debian is up and running! |
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| 04:49.05 | jmarsden | !congratulate | kim_bruning |
| 04:49.05 | dpkg | Yay | kim_bruning, you did it! |
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| 04:49.27 | kim_bruning | awww, I got debian running before yaknow |
| 04:49.33 | kim_bruning | this is just my first time on KVM |
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| 04:49.53 | kim_bruning | except for the slightly unwieldy installer, I still got it done in record time |
| 04:49.55 | kim_bruning | KVM is nice :-) |
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| 04:54.24 | iluminator101 | i tried deleteing the trash with the command rm -rf ~/.Trash/* but trash is not delete this is in user? |
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| 04:55.14 | massmc | is there a skype for amd64? |
| 04:55.18 | iluminator101 | same in su too? |
| 04:55.47 | markybob_ | massmc, no. but you can run 32-bit skype in amd64 |
| 04:56.12 | iluminator101 | how do i delete trash from command line? |
| 04:56.14 | massmc | markybob_, how can i do that, i keep getting errors |
| 04:56.27 | kim_bruning | iluminator101, depends on your GUI I guess... |
| 04:56.34 | iluminator101 | gnome |
| 04:56.51 | kim_bruning | iluminator101, see if there's a different Trash directory around someplace? |
| 04:56.56 | kim_bruning | (use ls or ls -a ) |
| 04:57.03 | markybob_ | massmc, sudo dpkg -i skype.deb && apt-get -f install |
| 04:57.07 | massmc | just delete .trash folder lol |
| 04:57.31 | massmc | markybob_, that's in the non free repo yea? |
| 04:57.40 | kim_bruning | massmc, iluminator101 has some trouble finding it ... |
| 04:58.08 | massmc | iluminator101, dir -a will show hidden files |
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| 04:58.36 | iluminator101 | yes ls -a does not show it |
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| 04:59.28 | peterrooney | iluminator101: the command you gave earlier removes the contents of .Trash but not the directory itself |
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| 05:00.33 | iluminator101 | peterrooney: thats what i want my Trash directly and trash is here i tried deleteing it from gui it didnt work...command line didnt work so far either |
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| 05:01.20 | SolarisBoy | .quit |
| 05:01.21 | Rondo | hi anybody here use 64 studio repos? |
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| 05:03.01 | peterrooney | iluminator101: which GUI? |
| 05:03.08 | iluminator101 | gnome |
| 05:03.10 | massmc | markybob_, still errors mate |
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| 05:03.44 | massmc | package arch i386 does not support amd64 |
| 05:03.53 | peterrooney | iluminator101: try rm -fr ~/.Trash* |
| 05:04.54 | iluminator101 | i tried that before |
| 05:06.41 | peterrooney | iluminator101: what about ~/.local/share/Trash/ ? |
| 05:07.13 | peterrooney | ( find ~ -type d -iname Trash ) |
| 05:07.18 | iluminator101 | bingo |
| 05:07.20 | iluminator101 | thanks |
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| 05:07.39 | peterrooney | you're welcome. |
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| 05:15.26 | Rondo | does anybody know how to get the public key for a repository when all you have to go on is the deb line? |
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| 05:16.00 | BubbaT_ | Hey guys, where do I get the ath5k driver? |
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| 05:17.13 | franki^ | BubbaT_: i believe that you should have it... "modprobe ath5k" should load it |
| 05:17.22 | arielg | Rondo: i only know how to do it if you have signing key... |
| 05:17.25 | wols | it comes with your debian since ~lenny |
| 05:17.41 | jmarsden | BubbaT_: See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for info about it. |
| 05:17.53 | wols | Rondo: debian repository? |
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| 05:26.09 | tonhe | I'm having a stupid issue with ssh keys. I've got a key setup on 4 servers, it works just fine on 3 of them, but the one always prompts me for a password. |
| 05:26.44 | tonhe | I've checked permissions, checked the sshd_configs, and checked the authorized_keys2 file |
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| 05:29.04 | tonhe | bah, nevermind |
| 05:29.09 | tonhe | chmod go-w ~/ <---- fixed it |
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| 05:33.21 | gribozavr | echo 'aaa:bbb:ccc' | tac -s ':' ==> "ccc\nbbb:aaa:". is this expected? i can't get how tac -s works then |
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| 05:34.50 | Muffin | Hello. I'm interested in building pine, and know how--I've done it before. However, I would like to build the pine that has been patched to add maildir support. Anybody have experience with this? |
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| 05:39.01 | kronic | I'm having an issue installing lenny, during the "select & install software" step, it errors: "Instattion step failed", this was just before the tzdata step, the error console has: load-install-cd: umount: cannot umount /target/cdrom then WARNING ****: Configuratin pkgsel failed with error code 1 |
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| 05:48.41 | franki^ | kronic: just a first thought, check the CD/DVD checksum? |
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| 05:50.51 | Tramp | gribozavr: yes it is (though it's not obvious). The last record is "ccc\n" and it's not followed by a seperator. So it's output. Then comes bbb, followed by its seperator and so is aaa |
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| 05:51.51 | Tramp | gribozavr: compare it to echo -n 'aaa:bbb:ccc:' | tac -s ':', where there is a proper seperator after every record and no newline at the end |
| 05:52.00 | gribozavr | Tramp: thank you. i've already found an explanation on coreutils mailing list |
| 05:53.22 | _BAZ_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:53.22 | _BAZ_ | <_BAZ_> hacks my wifi, is this secure-ish? |
| 05:53.24 | gribozavr | Tramp: i'm thinking of writing a bugreport asking to state the point more explicitly. currently info docs say "Records are separated by instances of a string..." |
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| 05:55.01 | Tramp | gribozavr: hmm. Sounds unambigous to me. |
| 05:55.35 | gribozavr | Tramp: imho "records are terminated by instances of a string" would be better |
| 05:55.53 | NoCode | I just installed gwibber, and it's only displaying a few icons -- is there a fix yet? |
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| 05:57.15 | Tramp | gribozavr: then ccc in your example would not be a record (but it is) |
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| 05:57.26 | gribozavr | Tramp: oh, my bad, they are not terminated by a string... |
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| 05:58.08 | Tramp | gribozavr: ccc is a record. there is just no (additional/final) seperator following it, that could be attached. Thus it is output without a seperator |
| 05:58.18 | Tramp | rather "ccc\n" is a record |
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| 05:58.44 | kronic | franki^: md5sum is fine |
| 05:59.00 | gribozavr | Tramp: i see. thanks |
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| 05:59.07 | Tramp | yw |
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| 06:04.17 | kronic | wow, if I hit select and install about 3 times it works, wow, that can't be good, can it? mind you i've setup numerous systems with this iso and had no issue |
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| 06:04.42 | enyawix | opera? |
| 06:05.10 | macrobat | opera! |
| 06:05.13 | prince_jammys | O Sole Mio .. |
| 06:05.45 | enyawix | aptitude search opera |
| 06:05.51 | macrobat | no |
| 06:05.51 | enyawix | = nothing |
| 06:06.02 | Gm4n | is there a way to mark a package as installed? |
| 06:06.08 | macrobat | opera.com <---- |
| 06:06.15 | enyawix | i know that is a big name package |
| 06:06.18 | Wyzard | Gm4n: without actually installing it? |
| 06:06.25 | Gm4n | correct, Wyzard |
| 06:06.26 | Wyzard | Gm4n: Why would you want to do that? |
| 06:06.42 | macrobat | http://www.opera.com <---- |
| 06:06.45 | prince_jammys | !opera |
| 06:06.45 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. Opera is Freeware (>=Version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see http://wiki.debian.org/Opera . http://www.opera.com/support/ #opera on irc.opera.com. |
| 06:06.54 | Gm4n | because I need the package installed (some perl thing), but I already have it installed via perl's cpan shell |
| 06:06.59 | Wyzard | Gm4n: apt-cache show equivs |
| 06:07.01 | Gm4n | so when I try to install, it errors out |
| 06:08.02 | enyawix | macrobat so you are telling me to just get it from the source? i thought we would have a package for it but ok |
| 06:08.14 | Gm4n | libxml-sax-perl won't install because of that. Is there a cleaner way to fix it? |
| 06:08.15 | prince_jammys | enyawix: they have repositories. |
| 06:08.21 | enyawix | ok |
| 06:08.46 | Wyzard | Gm4n: Use the equivs package that I just mentioned |
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| 06:09.26 | Wyzard | Gm4n: Aside from that, the "cleaner way" would be to actually install the Debian package rather than getting it from CPAN |
| 06:09.38 | Gm4n | yeah, I realize that. but how do I get rid of the cpan one? |
| 06:10.02 | Wyzard | I don't know anything about what uninstallation facilities, if any, CPAN provides |
| 06:10.11 | Wyzard | I'd ask about that in a Perl channel |
| 06:10.18 | macrobat | enyawix: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=45806 |
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| 06:11.24 | prince_jammys | how do you tell the bot to direct its message to someone? |
| 06:12.00 | Wyzard | !tell prince_jammys about bot commands |
| 06:12.15 | Wyzard | like that :-) |
| 06:12.47 | prince_jammys | nothing happened |
| 06:13.00 | prince_jammys | was i supposed to get a pm ? |
| 06:13.09 | Wyzard | oops, sorry, there's no such topic as "bot commands" (for some reason I thought there was) |
| 06:13.17 | Wyzard | !tell prince_jammys about help |
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| 06:13.43 | prince_jammys | thanks |
| 06:14.00 | enyawix | macrobat thanks reading |
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| 06:14.44 | _BAZ_ | On my NFS server, i think I need to have the same UID as on my client - currently that is not the case, how can I fix that? |
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| 06:21.57 | BubbaT_ | Hi guys. I sort of managed to get my laptop to connect...right now I am using a Live Mint CD ( Ubuntu variant ). I've done a lsmod|grep ath and get the ath9k driver. |
| 06:22.39 | BubbaT_ | Before I reboot into debian and start installing things, is there any configuration stuff I should check out? |
| 06:22.56 | Supaplex | what are you trying to do? |
| 06:23.39 | BubbaT_ | Supaplex, I was trying to get my wireless connection to work with Debian. |
| 06:25.11 | Supaplex | !wireless |
| 06:25.11 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 06:26.40 | Supaplex | BubbaT_: not very familar with that wireless. let us know how the wiki treats you. |
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| 06:33.55 | BubbaT_ | Hmm. Got a big question. Now. Am running lenny with kde4.2, from some other repository something like kde-desktop,org. |
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| 06:34.34 | BubbaT_ | Will backports.org have any nasty interactions with it. |
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| 06:35.47 | Supaplex | as long as the repo is kde only, perhaps the worst thing you'll need is to purge stuff and install from debian.org/mirrors only repos. can't really say though. |
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| 06:37.39 | enyawix | Supaplex can you mix qt3 qt4 safly |
| 06:38.09 | Supaplex | I'm no expert on that. |
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| 06:38.27 | enyawix | opera = qt3 :( |
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| 06:39.16 | Supaplex | sounds like a job for <insert-fanfare-here> vserver - creativity and hardwork required... |
| 06:42.11 | macrobat | i have had qt3 and qt4 stuff installed |
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| 07:02.33 | SparFux | Hi all. I have a strange error with debian unstable using ifupdown and guessnet. In this setup: http://pastebin.com/d5f4fedf4 the bootup and network configuration of eth0-home works ok, but not eth0-rike. on rike network I get RTLINKNET errors like device isn't there, I cannot find the errors anymore though. |
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| 07:03.27 | SparFux | This is only an issue on bootup. After ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 the internet connection works ok again. I suspect bootup sequence of scripts, I am using dependncy based booting. |
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| 07:15.10 | c0m1 | Hi. Um... anyone know where is good place to get help with beginning Linux assembly programming? |
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| 07:24.39 | sauvin | I'm running Debian Lenny, zero backports and zero custom builds. Mplayer's -vf screenshot doesn't work. Any help? |
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| 07:25.24 | nsadmin | c0m1, that's a big subject... and why asm? |
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| 07:25.33 | nsadmin | btw you probably need a book |
| 07:26.17 | tensorpudding | c0m1: you should probably check out nasm, and you should probably read a lot about how the architecture you're going to write for works |
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| 07:27.08 | nsadmin | why, for example, not C or C++? you can code asm within, but note that doing so wouldn't be portable |
| 07:27.16 | nsadmin | speaking of which... |
| 07:27.31 | nsadmin | which arch do you intend to code for? |
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| 07:30.43 | c0m1 | nsadmin: tensorpudding: I do must of my personally programming in C++, but the class I'm taking is in x86 and x86_64 assembly |
| 07:30.53 | c0m1 | s/must/most |
| 07:31.25 | c0m1 | we use NASM |
| 07:31.26 | nsadmin | ahh, so its for a class, so portability isn't a concern |
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| 07:31.52 | c0m1 | i just found the asm channel... seems to be a lot of people there though it is pretty quiet |
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| 07:32.16 | BubbaT | c0m1: IOt's late. give themn a chance to wake up. |
| 07:32.26 | tensorpudding | well, nasm is available for Linux and presumably works exactly as you'd expect in your class |
| 07:32.33 | c0m1 | yeah... its what I get for being a night owl |
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| 07:33.21 | BubbaT | When you install a backport version of the kernel, do you have to reconfigure grub yourself, or will dpkg/aptitude/apt-get do it for you? |
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| 07:34.09 | tensorpudding | meh, assembly programmers don't sleep :P |
| 07:34.56 | c0m1 | assembly programming is the only programming I've ever done where it is hard to find basic information |
| 07:35.02 | c0m1 | through web search |
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| 07:38.15 | yucatan1 | hello guys i have a debian machine with desktop and i have a windows xp machine |
| 07:38.47 | yucatan1 | i want from my windows xp machine connec to the debian machine and i wanne be able to see my desktop(so no putty i already have that) |
| 07:40.27 | yucatan1 | ? |
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| 07:42.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | few more minutes wait wouldn't have hurt |
| 07:43.19 | SparFux | How am I supposed to get access to my freshly installed mysql debian database server? |
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| 07:44.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | SparFux: doesn't it ask you to set a password during install (I don't have myslq running here, so i'm unsure) |
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| 07:46.30 | SparFux | Kamping: ah, perhaps I had an old password in my config. I purged and reinstall and now it works :-) |
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| 07:47.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | SparFux: cool :) good to hear |
| 07:49.08 | SparFux | stupid mistake I made :-) |
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| 07:52.22 | manicman | hi |
| 07:52.43 | manicman | i get the error that ldconfig could not been found... any hints which package i have to install? |
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| 07:53.25 | cahoot | as root? |
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| 07:53.52 | manicman | cahoot: yes as root |
| 07:56.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | manicman: its in /sbin, ou need to be root to run it |
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| 07:56.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | manicman: its in libc6 on my stable box, so i don't know how it can be missing |
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| 07:57.50 | manicman | Kamping_Kaiser: i needed to install a newer snort version... |
| 07:58.02 | initmax | Hi all, who know address nvidia for sources.list? |
| 07:58.11 | manicman | Kamping_Kaiser: therefor i installed the packages needed... |
| 07:58.27 | manicman | Kamping_Kaiser: hm.. in /sbin/ there is no ldconfig...:\ |
| 07:58.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | manicman: do you have libc6 installed? |
| 07:58.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | !nvidia |
| 07:58.49 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 07:58.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | initmax: ^^ |
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| 08:00.35 | nsadmin | actually ldconfig is in /sbin |
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| 08:01.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | nsadmin: hm? |
| 08:01.27 | nsadmin | someone just said it's not there... |
| 08:01.28 | manicman | Kamping_Kaiser: should be in version libc6_2.10.1-6_amd64, but i am not sure as he always says dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH..... |
| 08:01.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | nsadmin: oh right. |
| 08:01.59 | nsadmin | manicman whoami |
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| 08:02.28 | manicman | nsadmin: ? i am root... as i said |
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| 08:02.49 | nsadmin | and /sbin/ldconfig doesn't exist? |
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| 08:03.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions libc6 |
| 08:03.23 | judd | Kamping_Kaiser: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.10.1-5 sid: 2.10.1-6 |
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| 08:03.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | sid... *wanders off* |
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| 08:05.23 | manicman | nsadmin: hm... no..:( no such file or directory |
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| 08:06.08 | nsadmin | manicman: dpkg -L libc6 | grep ldconfig | wc -l |
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| 08:06.58 | techouse | emm, any idea why i got a linux-xenu-2.6.31-1-custom.deb package when building the kernel from the sid source by using the .conf from the official sid kernel package (linux-image-2.6-amd64)? the only things i changed is the version appendix, the cpu type, the preemption model and the Hz of the kernel |
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| 08:08.06 | manicman | nsadmin: 0 |
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| 08:08.44 | nsadmin | interesting... so that says "ldconfig is not in the libc6 package" if I worded the incantation correctly |
| 08:09.10 | manicman | hm... dosent seem to look good...:( |
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| 08:09.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | nsadmin: looks good to me. other then using grep -c ( :p ) |
| 08:09.54 | nsadmin | so ldconfig is elsewhere in sid |
| 08:10.02 | nsadmin | or was deprecated |
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| 08:10.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ldconfig&mode=path&suite=unstable&arch=any |
| 08:10.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | libc-bin by the look of it |
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| 08:11.19 | manicman | the problem seems to be that if i try dpkg -i libc6_2.10.1-6_amd64.deb i get the same error... |
| 08:11.25 | manicman | that ldconfig cannot be found |
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| 08:11.44 | nsadmin | so dpkg needs ldconfig |
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| 08:12.31 | manicman | so i have to install it manually again and then hope it works again? |
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| 08:12.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | no, you need to read what i said above |
| 08:13.34 | nsadmin | so he has to get libc-bin? |
| 08:13.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah. |
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| 08:14.30 | manicman | hm.. but installing libc-bin_2.10.1-6_amd64.deb fails like trying to install libc6_2.10.1-6_amd64.deb...:( |
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| 08:15.01 | nsadmin | is the .deb in /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 08:15.24 | manicman | no.. tryed to isntall it with dpkg -i <packet>... |
| 08:15.36 | nsadmin | oh, so you have the .deb |
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| 08:15.43 | nsadmin | elsewhere |
| 08:16.11 | manicman | yes... do i have to install it with aptitude install libc-bin? |
| 08:17.03 | nsadmin | well that will download it to /var/cache/apt/archives then call dpkg |
| 08:17.20 | nsadmin | but you can do it -really- manually |
| 08:17.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | using --force-all might work |
| 08:17.39 | nsadmin | do you have ar? |
| 08:17.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | or dpkg -x |
| 08:17.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | (-x for extract) |
| 08:18.06 | nsadmin | oh, is that unpack |
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| 08:18.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg -x <deb> <target> |
| 08:18.22 | dpkg | wish i knew, Kamping_Kaiser |
| 08:18.23 | nsadmin | oh, extract, that could make it a little less work |
| 08:18.34 | stix | Is there any way to unmount an NFS-share which is no longer available? I keep getting "device is busy". |
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| 08:19.08 | nsadmin | stix: any chance you could make it available temporarily and then unmount it? |
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| 08:19.29 | manicman | hm.. if i do aptitude install libc-bin he wants to remove many packets i am not really sure about they should be removed..... |
| 08:19.39 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 08:19.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | manicman: the joys of sid :) |
| 08:19.58 | nsadmin | manicman: what dist are you running? do you intent do run? |
| 08:20.06 | manicman | http://pastebin.com/m788c8420 |
| 08:20.20 | stix | nsadmin, well I could try, but I cannot even remember the share-name. I just know where it is mounted. Df hangs forever when I run it. |
| 08:21.04 | nsadmin | stix: hmm. you could try that option to umount, I think it's -n, but check the man page to be sure |
| 08:21.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | stix: you might be able to lazy unmount it, but i'm not sure if thats a good idea (in principle) |
| 08:21.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | stix: try 'mount' instead of 'df' |
| 08:21.12 | manicman | nsadmin: i am running lenny and i intend to run lenny, but i must have snort 2.8.x... |
| 08:21.25 | nsadmin | lenny? |
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| 08:21.40 | nsadmin | so that's the current stable,,, |
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| 08:21.54 | manicman | yes i know.. but snort is NOT stable... |
| 08:21.55 | nsadmin | maybe you didn't know this up to now... but you have unstable packages :) |
| 08:22.08 | manicman | doesnt run at least half an hour before it segfaults... |
| 08:22.12 | nsadmin | and libc6 is one of those |
| 08:22.14 | stix | okay, I see the share-name |
| 08:22.26 | stix | will set it up on an nfs-server and make it available |
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| 08:22.49 | manicman | nsadmin: yes i knwo that the packages i try to install are unstable... but i MUST have snort running in a really stable version... |
| 08:22.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | manicman: file a bug |
| 08:23.14 | nsadmin | stix: hmm. you may be better off rebooting the client |
| 08:23.33 | manicman | Kamping_Kaiser: that doesnt helps me as i need it running since yesterday as it is a test environment which gets attacked for the next two weeks... and i have to log all attacks... |
| 08:23.39 | nsadmin | but not by much; I don't recommend the reboot except as a last resort |
| 08:24.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | manicman: all i can say is good luck getting a stable system using a bastard of lenny+sid |
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| 08:24.54 | manicman | hm.. Kamping_Kaiser ;( |
| 08:25.01 | nsadmin | Kamping_Kaiser: seems to me it bastardized itself over time |
| 08:25.08 | nsadmin | more and more, it seems |
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| 08:25.25 | ttl_work | Greetings |
| 08:25.34 | nsadmin | manicman: is your /home a separate partition or lv? |
| 08:26.03 | manicman | nsadmin: i have a data partition... the rest is in one partition... |
| 08:26.14 | manicman | nsadmin: what do you mean with lv? |
| 08:26.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | nsadmin: nsadmin aye :/ |
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| 08:26.44 | nsadmin | logical volume, but you aren't using lvm |
| 08:26.52 | nsadmin | this is a remote or local? |
| 08:26.56 | manicman | nsadmin: no i am not using lvm ... |
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| 08:27.09 | manicman | nsadmin: its a server at the university... set up but admins... |
| 08:27.17 | manicman | by not but |
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| 08:28.33 | ttl_work | I have a strange problem with testing, every time i log on to gnome my mouse cursor is invisible but the mouse works, doing a lock screen makes the pointer visible before and after unlocking the screen. From than everything seems to work normal again. |
| 08:28.35 | nsadmin | ok, you should stop now :) |
| 08:28.40 | bohne | hi, in a postinst file, is it posible to define a Pre-Depends package which is only necessary on a certain architecture? |
| 08:29.14 | nsadmin | maybe you could try to install the original libc6 |
| 08:29.24 | nsadmin | judd versions libc6 |
| 08:29.24 | judd | nsadmin: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.10.1-5 sid: 2.10.1-6 |
| 08:29.34 | nsadmin | 2.7-18 |
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| 08:29.45 | manicman | nsadmin: hm.. i think the best is going to an admin ask him for fixing things and start tcpdumping the stream and evaluate it later on.... |
| 08:29.50 | nsadmin | which will remove the later packages (hopefully!) |
| 08:29.51 | Vortex | Hello any expert with DUKPT encryption/decryption ? i am looking for experimented people only , i pay alot of $ . |
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| 08:30.05 | manicman | i dont think this will work in time....:( |
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| 08:30.26 | nsadmin | manicman: the box is backed up? |
| 08:30.43 | manicman | nsadmin: hehe i am not sure..:) |
| 08:30.48 | manicman | nsadmin: dont think so... |
| 08:31.13 | nsadmin | hmm. you -might- be looking at a reinstall |
| 08:31.24 | manicman | nsadmin: hm.. no thats not an option... |
| 08:32.08 | nsadmin | then you need to try getting the original libc6 in there |
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| 08:33.04 | nsadmin | well let's put it this way... admin's choice. how important is the debian packaging system to you/to the admins? :) |
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| 08:33.23 | babilen | bohne: Try #debian-mentors@oftc |
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| 08:34.39 | nsadmin | because at the moment, this server is somewhat fragile |
| 08:34.39 | bohne | babilen: ahm, is this a channel? |
| 08:34.55 | Jari--_ | hi |
| 08:34.57 | nsadmin | and a different irc net |
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| 08:35.10 | Jari--_ | whats a good image to use for 2 gigabyte USB flash stick installation of the Debian Linux? |
| 08:35.23 | babilen | bohne: Yes. It is the channel #debian-mentors on the OFTC network (irc.debian.org / irc.oftc.net) |
| 08:35.35 | bohne | babilen: thanks |
| 08:35.38 | manicman | nsadmin: hm... k, i thank for your help.. think i have to ask the admins....;\ |
| 08:35.57 | nsadmin | yes, maybe they shoudl come here |
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| 08:37.22 | nsadmin | my best recommendation is get that older libc unpacked in there as quickly as possible, then dpkg should work again, then install the libc6 package using dpkg -i |
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| 08:38.06 | nsadmin | and/or get the unstable sources out of sources.list and try aptitude install --reinstall libc6 |
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| 08:38.20 | manicman | nsadmin: it seems to be possible to downgrade... |
| 08:38.20 | nsadmin | you will need ldconfig first |
| 08:38.42 | manicman | but then many packages will be removed from which i dont know if they are needed any where else... |
| 08:38.44 | nsadmin | tread carefully here |
| 08:39.20 | babilen | manicman: downgrade sid->squeeze ? |
| 08:39.31 | manicman | babilen: squeeze? |
| 08:39.42 | nsadmin | you need the -older- libc6, the 2.7 one, not the 2.10 which kicked out ldconfig |
| 08:40.14 | nsadmin | babilen: hopefully not too many packages from sid came on on top of his production server in a uni |
| 08:40.20 | nsadmin | which is lenny |
| 08:40.29 | babilen | uh oh... |
| 08:40.40 | nsadmin | so he needs to tread carefully |
| 08:40.43 | manicman | yes but as i pasted the output... he wants to remove many packages with the downgrade... |
| 08:40.44 | manicman | ;( |
| 08:41.12 | nsadmin | that was for libc-bin from sid, wasn't it? |
| 08:41.29 | nsadmin | you're not going to go further toward sid hopefully |
| 08:41.55 | manicman | nsadmin: *gg* no i wont... and it wasnt my intention... i just wanted snort 2.8.x...:\ |
| 08:41.58 | babilen | I will not interfere then... |
| 08:42.03 | nsadmin | the other thing that makes it fragile is the server is not backed up |
| 08:42.27 | manicman | no i am just not sure about..:) |
| 08:42.33 | nsadmin | manicman: I recommend you try all these and probably in this order after you restore |
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| 08:43.09 | nsadmin | curious about something... |
| 08:43.30 | nsadmin | ls /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_* |
| 08:43.38 | manicman | nsadmin: hm.. yes i just think that its the best to go to the admin and ask him about what to do... |
| 08:43.41 | nsadmin | how many? |
| 08:43.44 | manicman | hope he is able to help me |
| 08:43.48 | manicman | nsadmin: mom |
| 08:43.57 | nsadmin | mom? |
| 08:44.00 | manicman | nsadmin: one: /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.7-18_amd64.deb |
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| 08:44.11 | manicman | nsadmin: mom == one moment please... the short form of moment..:) |
| 08:44.37 | nsadmin | that's the one you should try to unpack manually then install the package of |
| 08:45.04 | nsadmin | so maybe it's not quite as bad as I thought |
| 08:45.07 | manicman | nsadmin: unpack means to unpack and copy the files to where they belong to? |
| 08:45.17 | nsadmin | judd versions libc6 |
| 08:45.17 | judd | nsadmin: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.10.1-5 sid: 2.10.1-6 |
| 08:45.38 | nsadmin | yeah, you have the lenny .deb of libc6 |
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| 08:45.56 | nsadmin | right, or unpack them over it |
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| 08:46.34 | manicman | k... |
| 08:46.45 | manicman | hope ill get it after speaking to the admin... |
| 08:47.03 | nsadmin | once you unpack, you'll have ldconfig from lenny again |
| 08:47.58 | manicman | o.k. ill just ask the admin for not being beaten by crashing his system...:P |
| 08:47.58 | nsadmin | then make sure all sources in sources.list are to lenny only |
| 08:48.08 | manicman | that i didnt touch |
| 08:48.12 | nsadmin | well write this down |
| 08:48.12 | manicman | thath file... |
| 08:48.35 | nsadmin | then do aptitude update |
| 08:48.46 | nsadmin | then aptitude install libc6 |
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| 08:49.12 | babilen | manicman: And next time: |
| 08:49.12 | nsadmin | which should remove any sid packages (incl. the new thihng you want) |
| 08:49.21 | nsadmin | BACK UP |
| 08:49.21 | babilen | !tell manicman -about bpo |
| 08:49.38 | babilen | ^^^^ that too :-D |
| 08:49.41 | nsadmin | that's also what you should do for next time :) |
| 08:49.41 | manicman | ;) |
| 08:49.47 | manicman | babilen: hm.. thx..:) |
| 08:50.10 | nsadmin | so write those steps down and show them to the admin |
| 08:50.24 | aaron_ | hey i have a question i have a compaq presario F700 i was wondering how can i get my graphic working 3d Accelerator and stuff like that here is the output of lspci http://pastebin.ca/1664616 |
| 08:51.15 | manicman | nsadmin: did aptitude install libc6 but /sbin/ldconfig is still not there...:\ |
| 08:51.21 | wols | either nv out of the box or nvidia if you need 3D |
| 08:51.25 | wols | !tell aaron_ about nvidia |
| 08:51.26 | nsadmin | anyway I guess we're done |
| 08:51.54 | aaron_ | wols I'm missing the kernel Headers |
| 08:52.06 | nsadmin | manicman: did it replace the sid libc6? or did it take action? |
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| 08:52.39 | nsadmin | manicman: you need ldconfig before any dpkg invocation will work |
| 08:52.39 | wols | aaron_: why? what kernel do you run? uname -a |
| 08:52.47 | manicman | nsadmin: ah it faild to work: Can't exec "locale": No such file or directory at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Encoding.pm line 16. |
| 08:53.03 | aaron_ | 2.6.30-2-amd64 |
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| 08:53.21 | nsadmin | so still no /sbin/ldconfig |
| 08:53.23 | babilen | manicman: that should not be an error but a warning. Can you paste the output? |
| 08:53.42 | wols | aaron_: then get the kernel headers for this kernel from the same place you got the kernel from. you seem to run sid, so you should know your way around and not ask basic questions |
| 08:54.08 | manicman | babilen: http://pastie.org/691602 |
| 08:54.46 | wols | manicman: install libc-bin with dpkg. if that can't be done, unpack libc-bin on your system. that way it gets you your precious ldconfig at least |
| 08:54.56 | babilen | manicman: you are still missing ldconfig |
| 08:55.26 | aaron_ | wols, I'm getting this error Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! How do |
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| 08:55.48 | wols | aaron_: what did you do that leads to this error message? |
| 08:55.48 | manicman | wols: o.k. thx |
| 08:55.51 | babilen | judd versions libc-bin |
| 08:55.52 | judd | babilen: libc-bin -- squeeze: 2.10.1-5 sid: 2.10.1-6 |
| 08:56.05 | babilen | ^^^^ not for lenny |
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| 08:56.09 | manicman | babilen: yes thats my problem... |
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| 08:56.13 | aaron_ | m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source wols |
| 08:56.51 | wols | aaron_: then there was an error before that generic one. a message which tells you the real error why it failed |
| 08:57.10 | wols | and if you need kernel headers: get them from the palce you got your kernel from. |
| 08:57.25 | aaron_ | i already got the headers |
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| 08:58.14 | wols | aaron_: until you tell us the real error message, we can't help you |
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| 08:58.22 | aaron_ | make[6]: *** [/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv.o] Error 1 |
| 08:58.22 | aaron_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:58.31 | aaron_ | tbat seems the error wols |
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| 08:58.40 | wols | that is NOT the real error message. the error message is the FIRST error. not the end |
| 08:58.58 | wols | in fact this is no error message at all. just something printing "error" |
| 08:59.14 | cr3rzemjest | how to enable many audio sources in debian, i mean like in Windows - be able to listen to music while watching video in Iceweasel |
| 08:59.20 | nsadmin | aaron_ how do you run the make? |
| 08:59.26 | wols | !dmix |
| 08:59.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dmix is an ALSA subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 08:59.35 | aaron_ | with the m-a nsadmin |
| 08:59.53 | wols | aaron_: üastebin the full output of m-a |
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| 09:02.46 | aaron_ | http://pastebin.ca/1664634 |
| 09:02.50 | aaron_ | there it is wols |
| 09:03.49 | aaron_ | any ideas? |
| 09:04.10 | nsadmin | !any ideas |
| 09:04.10 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and 42 starving oxen. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 09:04.24 | swmmrman | LOL what? |
| 09:04.59 | wols | aaron_: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 09:05.19 | wols | swmmrman: either deliver some oxes or be quiet |
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| 09:05.39 | aaron_ | http://pastebin.ca/1664636 wols |
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| 09:06.49 | niklaswe | one question.. http://niklas.allow.se/tomcat-rotate.txt if the file will be 500mb it will rotate.. but my queston is.. will it rotate on the night to.. if the file doesnt are 500mb? |
| 09:07.00 | wols | aaron_: you use squeeze? |
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| 09:07.25 | aaron_ | yeah |
| 09:07.35 | wols | basically your nvidia drivers are too old for your kernel. or your kernel is too new for your nvidia drivers |
| 09:07.43 | wols | get the nvidia driver sources from sid |
| 09:08.00 | nsadmin | ...or... |
| 09:08.04 | nsadmin | both!!! |
| 09:08.26 | wols | alternatively you can downgrade your kernel of course |
| 09:08.31 | aaron_ | hmmm |
| 09:08.43 | aaron_ | naw I'm not up to breaking my system with sid |
| 09:09.03 | vivid | use the nvidia installer |
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| 09:09.19 | aaron_ | vivid, how> |
| 09:09.21 | hark | even if you downgrade your kernel, the drivers won't work. |
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| 09:09.25 | wols | vivid: that is not supported in here. better not tell people to break their systems |
| 09:09.28 | aaron_ | oh |
| 09:09.31 | hark | aaron_: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 09:09.34 | wols | hark: why not? 2.6.26 should work fine |
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| 09:09.53 | hark | wols: with xorg |
| 09:10.00 | vivid | wols, my bad |
| 09:10.15 | wols | figures :( |
| 09:10.43 | nsadmin | that agp_backend_acquire() call is from wht? |
| 09:10.44 | wols | as hark shown you: sid nvidia drivers or nothing. note:all you get from sid are said drivers, nothing else |
| 09:11.19 | hark | aaron_: follow the factoid, it tells you how step by step |
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| 09:13.07 | manu_hack | so now whenever kdm starts, it gives me a black screen and the monitor said no input from the computer, I check /var/log/X11.0.log, no (EE), what else should I look into? |
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| 09:13.34 | er | ok im doing that wols |
| 09:14.07 | er | same error wols |
| 09:15.24 | vivid | whats the error if you dont mind me asking? |
| 09:15.38 | nsadmin | er: what did you change before trying again? |
| 09:15.57 | er | nothing really nsadmin |
| 09:16.19 | er | it's a compaq presario f700 notebook |
| 09:16.28 | nsadmin | er: this aaron_? |
| 09:16.41 | er | yeah |
| 09:17.17 | nsadmin | ok... so you were going to do what, change kernels? |
| 09:17.27 | er | hmm |
| 09:17.40 | er | i guess |
| 09:17.51 | hark | !tell er about nvidia squeeze |
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| 09:18.12 | yucatan1 | is it possible to let vncserver start before i login in gnome? |
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| 09:20.28 | _Brandon_ | hi, from a couple of weeks every time I boot the clock is set 1 hour forward like if the time saving is still enabled |
| 09:21.46 | cahoot | _Brandon_: using utc + ntp? |
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| 09:22.33 | _Brandon_ | cahoot: how do I check if I'm using utc? |
| 09:22.38 | _Brandon_ | if I run ntpdate the clock is set correctly |
| 09:23.20 | cahoot | look into /etc/default/rcS |
| 09:23.44 | _Brandon_ | UTC is set to no |
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| 09:24.39 | cahoot | _Brandon_: I'd suggest change to yes unless you dualboot to win |
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| 09:24.53 | xerum | hi again |
| 09:24.55 | _Brandon_ | cahoot: I dualboot |
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| 09:25.35 | imimimiim | hi, in debian is there anyway to automatically run "/etc/init.d/networking restart" when an ethernet cable is plugged in? |
| 09:25.41 | xerum | help: if i will install Xorg now, will X autostart every time i reboot? if yes, how to install and disable it? |
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| 09:26.36 | cahoot | _Brandon_: ok - I saw somewhere even windows can be coerced into usin utc |
| 09:26.50 | _Brandon_ | xerum: xorg shouldn't autostart, it will if you install xdm/gdm/kdm |
| 09:27.27 | _Brandon_ | cahoot: ok I'll set to yest for now and I'll try to see if it works on windows later, thanks |
| 09:27.31 | xerum | _Brandon_: okay how can i found if i have already gdm? |
| 09:27.43 | _Brandon_ | xerum: dpkg -l|grep gdm |
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| 09:28.13 | _Brandon_ | if you have "ii" at the beginning of the line it's installed |
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| 09:29.33 | xerum | _Brandon_: output is empty... and why when i type apt-get install xorg, there is so many drivers wants to install? |
| 09:29.41 | xerum | i think i dont need them all |
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| 09:30.53 | _Brandon_ | xerum: I don't know if there is a way to not install them, but you can remove them later |
| 09:31.40 | wols | xerum: ls -l /etc/rc.d/99* |
| 09:31.55 | wols | if there is an output that starts a display manager,then X will start automatically |
| 09:32.23 | wols | xerum: those drivers are a few MB at best. not worth the hassle uninstalling |
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| 09:34.32 | xerum | wols: i dont have this file or directory |
| 09:35.03 | yucatan1 | is it possible to let vncserver start before i login in gnome? |
| 09:35.14 | wols | oops. missed a letter. /etc/rc2.d/S99* |
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| 09:36.19 | wols | yucatan1: you can x11vnc IIRC |
| 09:36.50 | yucatan1 | what u mean |
| 09:36.59 | _Brandon_ | yucatan1: you need to install x11vnc |
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| 09:37.04 | yucatan1 | i have |
| 09:37.18 | yucatan1 | how can i let it start that i can connect via vnc when startup |
| 09:37.34 | yucatan1 | before i login |
| 09:37.38 | yucatan1 | in gnome |
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| 09:38.21 | yucatan1 | ? |
| 09:38.27 | xerum | wols: i dont have rc.d directory =) |
| 09:38.35 | xerum | only rc.local |
| 09:38.36 | _Brandon_ | yucatan1: I don't know with gdm, but with kdm I've added something like this in /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsetup x11vnc -rfbauth /path/to/vncpasswd -bg -forever -nomodtweak |
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| 09:39.25 | yucatan1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.25 | yucatan1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.25 | yucatan1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:39.36 | yucatan1 | that i what i get |
| 09:39.50 | _Brandon_ | yes if you run it from a non x11 session is a bit different |
| 09:39.50 | yucatan1 | how did u sad i need to do it with kdm? |
| 09:40.03 | yucatan1 | i just want to start it at bootup |
| 09:40.12 | yucatan1 | that i can connet and see my greeter login |
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| 09:40.33 | _Brandon_ | I've added it in /etc/kde3/kdm/Xsetup |
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| 09:41.27 | yucatan1 | in etc/gmd i have gdm.conf Init locale.conf modules PostLogin PostSession PreSession XKeepsCrashing Xsession |
| 09:43.28 | _Brandon_ | yucatan1: apparently you need to add it to /etc/X11/gdm/Init/Default http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=235746&postcount=28 |
| 09:43.33 | xerum | _Brandon_: can i enable fb with 1024x768x24? |
| 09:44.03 | xerum | _Brandon_: i dont have /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:45.00 | yucatan1 | in my X11 folder i dont have a gdm folder |
| 09:45.02 | techouse | so has anyone resolved this bug yet? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551104 |
| 09:45.07 | _Brandon_ | xerum: are you using lilo? |
| 09:45.20 | techouse | i'm kinda left stranded right now |
| 09:45.27 | xerum | _Brandon_: i have /boot/grub |
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| 09:45.42 | xerum | _Brandon_: but there are many *.mod files |
| 09:46.05 | _Brandon_ | xerum: any other files? |
| 09:46.19 | groton | i have this message when installing/upgrading sysv-rc package: "package XXX removed but not purged". How to purge it? apt-get purge XXX does not work :/ |
| 09:46.33 | _Brandon_ | yucatan1: try to create that directories |
| 09:46.48 | _Brandon_ | groton: apt-get --purge |
| 09:47.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | techouse: do you need xen? if not disable it perhaps |
| 09:47.14 | _Brandon_ | groton: actually apt-get --purge remove packagename |
| 09:47.20 | _Brandon_ | or dpkg -P packagename |
| 09:47.53 | groton | _Brandon_, thx |
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| 09:48.01 | techouse | Kamping_Kaiser: yea, but i copied the .config from the stock 31 kernel over to my kernel source |
| 09:48.20 | techouse | there has to be a bug.... |
| 09:48.47 | xerum | _Brandon_: /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 09:48.58 | groton | _Brandon_, if i run apt --purge remove exim4-base i get this "Package exim4-base is not installed, so not removed" |
| 09:49.01 | _Brandon_ | xerum: ah I guess you have grub2 then |
| 09:49.17 | _Brandon_ | groton: try dpkg -P exim4-base |
| 09:49.21 | techouse | wait...i'll try a new kernel-package |
| 09:49.21 | groton | _Brandon_, and it does exist: rc exim4-base 4.69-5+b1 |
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| 09:49.33 | techouse | i had the squeeze one, i'll try the sid one |
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| 09:50.39 | xerum | _Brandon_: where can i get some arguments for vga=? |
| 09:51.09 | techouse | Kamping_Kaiser: afaik CONFIG_XEN=y has been also in 29 and 30 amd64 kernels |
| 09:51.17 | techouse | dunno why the error :/ |
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| 09:52.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | techouse: dunno :/ |
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| 09:53.56 | _Brandon_ | xerum: try to looks at this sample http://grub.enbug.org/FranklinPiat/grub.cfg.manpage |
| 09:54.04 | _Brandon_ | xerum: linux /debian/etch/debian-installer/amd64/linux vga=normal |
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| 09:56.21 | pluesch0r | hi everybody. i'm on debian lenny amd64, trying to install the bpo kernel (2.6.30-bpo.2) and build kvm source. however, i'm not able to do it. i keep getting the error that linux/compiler.h cannot be found and so on. |
| 09:56.26 | pluesch0r | what am i doing wrong? |
| 09:56.35 | xerum | _Brandon_: its hardly to type links in other vc =) by own hand |
| 09:56.41 | xerum | in w3m |
| 09:57.02 | pluesch0r | the kernel installs fine, of course. it's m-a that's misbehaving. |
| 09:57.31 | xerum | can irssi with /exec show some information from link? |
| 09:57.33 | groton | _Brandon_, yes, dpkg -P worked great, thanks |
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| 09:58.32 | yucatan1 | YES i got it working |
| 09:58.39 | yucatan1 | in debian its : x11vnc -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth |
| 09:58.39 | _Brandon_ | xerum: you just need to add vga=something after the kernel |
| 09:58.43 | penta | hi, anybody be able make this snippet? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Querying-libiptc-HOWTO/bmeter.html |
| 09:58.51 | yucatan1 | and then i get the greeter login |
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| 10:01.18 | penta | what's key value -l do you use? |
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| 10:04.06 | valdyn | pluesch0r: which kvm? |
| 10:04.06 | pluesch0r | http://debian.sil.at/backports.org//pool/main/k/kvm/kvm-source_85+dfsg-4~bpo50+1_all.deb |
| 10:04.06 | pluesch0r | the one in backports. |
| 10:04.22 | valdyn | pluesch0r: how are you trying to bild? |
| 10:04.44 | pluesch0r | m-a a-i --force kvm |
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| 10:04.54 | pluesch0r | it seems that the includes in the source package are wrong. |
| 10:04.58 | pluesch0r | compiler.h vs. compile.h and so on. |
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| 10:05.16 | valdyn | pluesch0r: try again with "m-a clean" first |
| 10:05.21 | valdyn | pluesch0r: try again with "m-a clean kvm" first |
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| 10:06.57 | valdyn | pluesch0r: that kvm source might be backported to be used with the original 2.6.26 debian kernel btw |
| 10:07.17 | pluesch0r | valdyn: same problem. |
| 10:07.26 | valdyn | pluesch0r: build the sid version |
| 10:07.35 | pluesch0r | trying as we speak. |
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| 10:08.25 | pluesch0r | same error. |
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| 10:08.42 | valdyn | pluesch0r: ok, i see |
| 10:08.45 | pluesch0r | /usr/src/modules/kvm/x86/external-module-compat.h:6:28: error: linux/compiler.h: No such file or directory |
| 10:08.51 | valdyn | pluesch0r: use the version included with your kernel |
| 10:09.05 | pluesch0r | so you mean i don't have to build from kvm-source anymore? |
| 10:09.06 | valdyn | pluesch0r: i.e. modprobe kvm-intel |
| 10:09.13 | pluesch0r | isn't the version contained in my kernel slower? |
| 10:09.26 | valdyn | pluesch0r: why would it be slower? |
| 10:09.44 | valdyn | pluesch0r: its probably newer though |
| 10:09.45 | pluesch0r | because it's not matching the revision from the kvm binary? |
| 10:10.03 | valdyn | pluesch0r: i never had problems with that |
| 10:10.10 | pluesch0r | hm, ok. |
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| 10:10.28 | pluesch0r | i thought i'd read about performance problems concerning mismatching module/binary versions somewhere. |
| 10:10.32 | pluesch0r | oh, what the hack. |
| 10:10.34 | pluesch0r | s/hack/heck/ ;) |
| 10:10.44 | valdyn | pluesch0r: regarding kvm? |
| 10:11.14 | pluesch0r | jup. |
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| 10:11.47 | valdyn | pluesch0r: the compile error is most certainly because the source is for older kernels anyway |
| 10:12.06 | pluesch0r | of course it is. |
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| 10:12.26 | pluesch0r | still .. if the kvm-source package contained in sid also refuses to work .. meh. |
| 10:12.33 | pluesch0r | you're right. i'll stick with the one contained in the kernel. |
| 10:12.44 | valdyn | pluesch0r: the sid kvm is not actually newer though |
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| 10:13.17 | valdyn | pluesch0r: funny i just built the sid version without problems against 2.6.31 |
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| 10:13.37 | pluesch0r | have you got include/linux/compiler.h in there? |
| 10:13.43 | pluesch0r | i've only got compile.h ;) |
| 10:14.08 | valdyn | pluesch0r: you might have built the backports version again by mistake |
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| 10:14.19 | pluesch0r | no, can't be. i purged it. |
| 10:14.34 | valdyn | pluesch0r: purging the package doesnt remove the source |
| 10:14.40 | pluesch0r | hm. okay. |
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| 10:14.46 | pluesch0r | once more, with feeling. |
| 10:14.52 | valdyn | pluesch0r: the package only installs the tarball in /usr/src |
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| 10:15.08 | valdyn | pluesch0r: the build process extracts it into /usr/src/modass iirc |
| 10:15.53 | valdyn | pluesch0r: compiler.h does not exist in 2.6.31 |
| 10:16.01 | valdyn | pluesch0r: ops |
| 10:16.10 | valdyn | pluesch0r: wrong: both exist in 2.6.31 |
| 10:16.36 | massaway | Hi, How do I install skype i386 on a amd64.. I keep getting dependency errors |
| 10:16.37 | pluesch0r | see, that might be the pita. |
| 10:16.52 | pluesch0r | valdyn: compiler.h doesn't exist in the 2.6.30 backports. |
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| 10:17.07 | valdyn | massaway: use the amd64 package? |
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| 10:17.27 | pluesch0r | and, as far is i can see, there are no 2.6.31 backports there. |
| 10:17.29 | psiklops | Hi. When i run mplayer *mp3 i get this reading: [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_dmix.c:963:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to create IPC semaphore |
| 10:17.30 | psiklops | [AO_ALSA] Playback open error: Function not implemented |
| 10:17.30 | psiklops | Failed to initialize audio driver 'alsa' |
| 10:17.32 | pluesch0r | stock module it is, then. |
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| 10:17.53 | massaway | valdyn, there is none for skype |
| 10:18.12 | solars | does anyone know a simple tool for the console to create graphs for cpu/mem stats (and save them) ? |
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| 10:19.39 | yucatan1 | is there soembody that has more experience with x11vnc? |
| 10:20.00 | azeem | yucatan1: the person who wrote the code, I hope |
| 10:20.08 | yucatan1 | hmm yeah i hope so.:P |
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| 10:20.25 | yucatan1 | but i was more looking for somebody here that knows what i'm talking about |
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| 10:21.14 | valdyn | massmc: there is one for skype |
| 10:21.46 | pluesch0r | solars: you mean something ncurses-based? |
| 10:21.47 | massmc | valdyn, where is it? |
| 10:22.00 | valdyn | massmc: skype.com |
| 10:22.18 | babilen | massmc: There is none for Debian, but you can install the Ubuntu package. |
| 10:22.19 | yucatan1 | because now when i'm logged in it kicks me out |
| 10:22.46 | valdyn | massmc: ah, its a ubuntu package - that one is ok on debian sid though, probably testing too |
| 10:22.56 | valdyn | massmc: you cannot use a i386 package on amd64 |
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| 10:23.41 | babilen | massmc: You might have to go through some trouble if you want your webcam to work though. Google for "skype.real" and the erro you'll get. |
| 10:23.44 | massmc | I am running lenny 50. Do I get the ubunto version from skype.com? |
| 10:24.09 | massmc | babilen, not an issue, I'm running it on a vps and logging in with vnc |
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| 10:25.07 | babilen | massmc: I would not expect that the Ubuntu version works on lenny. Just kindly ask skype for the code so you can recompile it yourself. |
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| 10:25.31 | massmc | babilen, lol |
| 10:26.40 | babilen | massmc: Or use ekiga or some other free sip client that supports video chat. |
| 10:26.49 | massmc | eww |
| 10:27.06 | solars | pluesch0r, I just need the graph of cpu/mem over a short period of time... eg. like atopsar does but as a graph preferrably :) |
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| 10:27.35 | pluesch0r | solars: mh, i see. no chance to just let nagios do that for you, via snmpd, hm? |
| 10:28.14 | solars | its simpler to use atopsar and create a graph with gnuplot I think |
| 10:28.23 | solars | just wondered if there is a tool that does this automatically |
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| 10:28.40 | pluesch0r | of course. if that nagios behemoth is not your everyday setup, anything else will be less painful. |
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| 10:29.53 | solars | yeah |
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| 10:36.50 | d_b | massmc: I use Skype on Debian Stable 64bit with no problems. Though I don't remember how I did it :) But it's possible. |
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| 10:37.27 | echa_ | i'm looking for a f/oss groupware / project management package that provides a timesheet module and task tracking. Some of the PHP offerings look good, like horde or phprojekt, but neither appear to allow time entry |
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| 10:38.04 | babilen | d_b: Could it be that you run it within a i386 chroot? |
| 10:38.29 | d_b | babilen: nope. I think this was it http://wiki.debian.org/skype |
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| 10:39.43 | tonyd | Hello everyone! |
| 10:40.09 | d_b | And unlike whoever edited that wiki post video does work for me. Only tried incoming though. |
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| 10:40.26 | babilen | d_b: Ok, good to know. |
| 10:40.50 | xerum | hi again |
| 10:41.08 | xerum | can i use Xorg with 8 Mb cyberblade videocard? |
| 10:41.16 | nkuttler | echa_: hm, i think collabtive does that |
| 10:41.18 | tonyd | So, I have a question for all you Debian users. |
| 10:41.49 | echa_ | nkuttler: haven't heard of that one, checking it out now |
| 10:41.59 | pluesch0r | echa_: redmine.org |
| 10:42.05 | echa_ | nkuttler: i am trying to replace shitty ms project server |
| 10:42.16 | pluesch0r | echa_: or journyx (if you're only need 10 user accounts) |
| 10:42.43 | tonyd | ... |
| 10:42.56 | pngwn | !tell tonyd -about ask |
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| 10:44.58 | echa_ | nkuttler: there is no timesheet in collabtive |
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| 10:45.31 | tonyd | I have been trying to install Ubuntu 9.10 on an IBM Thinkpad T40 2373-72U and have had a lot of problems with the video and usb flash drives not being seen, so I was thinking about installing Debian in hopes I would have better luck and just wanted to talk to some people who are using it so I can be a little better informed. |
| 10:46.01 | echa_ | nkuttler: the interface is nice though |
| 10:46.28 | d_b | tonyd: have you googled your laptop + ubuntu/linux/debian ? |
| 10:46.32 | cahoot | tonyd: I'd consult thinkwiki.org |
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| 10:47.01 | nkuttler | echa_: not sure what you mean by timesheet. time tracking is built in. |
| 10:47.12 | cahoot | tonyd: FWIW my t61 runs debian just fine |
| 10:47.15 | tonyd | I have, but everyone says that it works nicely on theirs, but not on mine! |
| 10:47.45 | tonyd | So far I have only tried Ubuntu and Knoppix |
| 10:47.54 | nkuttler | tonyd: are you sure the hardware is ok? |
| 10:48.03 | babilen | tonyd: I would just try it. Refer to http://www.thinkwiki.org for lots of documentation |
| 10:48.03 | echa_ | nkuttler: this is a timesheet: http://www.vertex42.com/ExcelTemplates/Images/timesheet-large.gif |
| 10:48.31 | echa_ | plueshc0r: there is no timesheet in redmine either |
| 10:48.31 | tonyd | yes, i just could not get the drivers set up properly and noone would help me, or could help me anyhow |
| 10:48.57 | babilen | tonyd: Which drivers? What did not work? |
| 10:49.15 | pluesch0r | echa_: that's not trye. |
| 10:49.16 | tonyd | and everything usb works, but it will not see any usb flash drives? I left one plugged up for 6 hours and it finally found it lol |
| 10:49.19 | pluesch0r | s/trye/true/ |
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| 10:49.28 | pluesch0r | you can log time based on tasks that you define. |
| 10:49.31 | tonyd | the raedon drivers for the 7500 |
| 10:49.38 | pluesch0r | although, you're most likely looking for something like journyx. |
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| 10:50.35 | tonyd | I tried to configure them for myself, started the computer, and the kernel went into panic mode and the computer froze, couldn't ever get it to start ubuntu again after that lol |
| 10:50.37 | babilen | tonyd: I would expect Debian to run on a T40 flawlessly. Install Debian and come back if you have specific problems. I think they will be fixed easily. |
| 10:50.48 | echa_ | pluesh0r: we need to be able to enter time against predefined tasks once per week and it needs to be simple. JourneyX is not free. |
| 10:51.07 | tonyd | Okay, I am hoping you are right! Debian sounds awesome! |
| 10:51.12 | babilen | tonyd: I assume that the hardware is not broken though |
| 10:51.24 | echa_ | pluesch0r: ms project does this but it's just such a bag of shite |
| 10:51.51 | echa_ | we need support for approx 200 people |
| 10:52.12 | tonyd | I tried windows 7, upgraded from xp, used it for 3 days, formatted, and installed ubuntu. my windows 7 cd is in the trash, that is where it belongs |
| 10:52.26 | tonyd | it's either gonna be debian or mac lol |
| 10:53.05 | babilen | tonyd: I guess you know what you have to do know. If not... |
| 10:53.12 | babilen | !tell tonyd -about netinstall |
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| 10:53.31 | whammo | hi folks |
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| 10:54.52 | whammo | I'm new to Lenny what does it mean when synaptic gives a 403 Forbidden error for a repo? |
| 10:56.04 | babilen | whammo: Which repository is that? Can you paste /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere? |
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| 11:00.05 | babilen | whammo: What is a "64 studio" repository? Can you please paste /etc/apt/sources.list somewhere (eg http://paste.debian.net) |
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| 11:00.28 | babilen | whammo: Please don't message me |
| 11:00.42 | whammo | babilen: sure one sec |
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| 11:01.26 | themill | !studio64 |
| 11:01.27 | dpkg | 64 Studio is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, oriented towards audio/video recording and media production. It uses a custom kernel with realtime patches added. http://64studio.com/ #64studio on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 11:02.39 | whammo | babilen: http://paste.debian.net/51166/ |
| 11:02.43 | babilen | whammo: ^^^ suggests you should ask in #64studio |
| 11:03.14 | ajay | hi to all, i am running kernel 2.6.31.1 and logitech quickcam express plus 046d:092f.but it is not working with camorama |
| 11:03.18 | whammo | babilen: yeah... the distro is so small theres never anybody present |
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| 11:03.21 | ajay | it is detected |
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| 11:03.52 | Bell_Labs | Linus Torvalds was convicted today by a grand jury of plagiarism. There was an almost instant unanimous agreement amongst the jurors that Linus Torvalds stole the UNIX source code from Bell Labs using a Sinclair 1000, and acoustic coupler, and password cracking software. He has been sentenced to 5 years in United States federal prison. Read about it here: http://tinyurl.com/2kc4 |
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| 11:04.20 | babilen | whammo: And I have no idea why you get a 403 error contacting their repository |
| 11:04.40 | ajay | camorama is thrwing debug error as tip - acap off Unable to capture image (VIDIOCSYNC) |
| 11:04.56 | whammo | babilen: well i think maybe i didn't add the gpg key right... i did it from root terminal |
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| 11:06.19 | valdyn | whammo: no |
| 11:07.01 | valdyn | whammo: 403 is the http server denying access, that has nothign to do with gpg |
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| 11:07.28 | whammo | valdyn: ahh thanks for the confirmation. so try changing servers? |
| 11:07.37 | valdyn | tias |
| 11:10.10 | SparFux | Hi all. I have a strange error with debian unstable using ifupdown and guessnet. In this setup: http://pastebin.com/d5f4fedf4 the bootup and network configuration of eth0-home works ok, but not eth0-rike. on rike network I get RTLINKNET errors like device isn't there. |
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| 11:13.49 | hnsr | which package contains the openssl/*.h headers? a search for openssl-dev didn't get me anything useful |
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| 11:15.00 | Mowee | It must be in the openssl package |
| 11:15.23 | Mowee | are they missing? |
| 11:15.28 | hnsr | it doesn't seem to be, not according to dpkg -L openssl at least, but I might be missing something |
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| 11:16.30 | wols | hnsr: which header are you missing exactly? |
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| 11:16.50 | Mowee | Try a apt-get remove -purge |
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| 11:16.55 | Mowee | and install it again |
| 11:17.01 | hnsr | openssl/ssl.h and openssl/err.h |
| 11:17.02 | hnsr | ok |
| 11:17.40 | babilen | SparFux: What is the "ip ad add dev eth0" line doing? Should that not be "ip add{r,..} add dev eth0"? |
| 11:17.43 | wols | libssl-dev |
| 11:18.05 | wols | Mowee: doing the same thing onver and over again and expecting a different outcome is a sign for insanity |
| 11:18.11 | hnsr | oh, thanks wols |
| 11:18.12 | echa_ | join #egroupware |
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| 11:18.31 | wols | hnsr: next time check packages.debian.org (or apt-file) |
| 11:19.03 | hnsr | will do |
| 11:19.33 | cahoot | wols: really? never seen an athlete practise? |
| 11:19.53 | hnsr | oh, apt-file is very neat |
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| 11:20.01 | wols | an athlete never expects the same outcome. he expects a BETTER one. jump higher, wider, faster, etc |
| 11:20.39 | Mowee | God you seems to be a super human |
| 11:20.43 | Mowee | want some sugar? |
| 11:20.48 | cahoot | wols: well read your input to mowee again |
| 11:21.07 | SparFux | babilen: ip ad add dev eth0 192.168.254.8/24 broadcast 192.168.254.255 gives access to my internet route configuration page. |
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| 11:21.31 | SparFux | babilen: ip ad and ip addr are the same effect. |
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| 11:22.03 | Mithos | has anybody tried to dual boot debian with windows with UnetBootin |
| 11:22.34 | Fox | hi |
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| 11:22.39 | rajeshsr | hi |
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| 11:23.02 | babilen | SparFux: Ok - Is it intentionally missing from rike? If yes, no idea :-) |
| 11:23.12 | Fox | did anyone have bug #551780 ? or even better, did anyone find a solution ? |
| 11:23.30 | rajeshsr | I find that rendering of my native language texts, by gnome-terminal looks bad. I would like to see if I can work on that. Any idea of where to go? |
| 11:23.36 | Fox | just upgraded my sid box and bash_completion keeps complaining |
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| 11:24.01 | babilen | !dbugs #551780 |
| 11:24.05 | dpkg | #551780:N[bash-completion] Failed to resolve service (); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:09:02 UTC [] |
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| 11:32.40 | SparFux | babilen: Yes, it's intentionally missing :-) |
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| 11:35.10 | aibo | hi, I have shell script needs to be run as root from crontab (it's backup one), the problems is: I can run script from shell, but can't from cron (scripts being executed as I can see in cron log, but backup is not being created), where is the problem? How can I trace it? |
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| 11:35.32 | tonyd | what is the best desktop environment for a newbie? |
| 11:35.33 | yucatan1 | pleas soem help guys if i start x11vnc and i login the vnc server craches this is the error i get :caught XIO error: |
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| 11:36.47 | tonyd | I don't know rather to pick gnome, kde or the other in the install. Can I change it later? |
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| 11:38.56 | babilen | tonyd: sure |
| 11:38.57 | d_b | tonyd: yes. just choose the one you think is pretty |
| 11:39.32 | tonyd | lol okay d_b, babilen- thanks |
| 11:40.19 | d_b | rajeshsr: edit -> current profile, try different fonts |
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| 11:46.11 | rajeshsr | d_b, rendering by any font is quite bad! |
| 11:46.13 | ajay | hi to all,camorama is not able to capture image for kernel 2.6.31.1 device 046d:092. getting error as Unable to capture image (VIDIOCSYNC) |
| 11:46.38 | yowlst | hi, why red hat based os has param "tx-checksumming: on" and debian based "tx-checksumming: off" ? Who really should does udp checksum nic or kernel? Im in trouble for understanding the fault of a packet loss in a rtp stream.. |
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| 11:47.13 | rajeshsr | d_b, I would want to see how rendering is done. I mean the codes. May be I can contribute something there |
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| 11:47.24 | valdyn | yowlst: debian probably just uses the default |
| 11:47.32 | rajeshsr | d_b, any idea of where to start looking? |
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| 11:47.52 | valdyn | yowlst: where are you seeing that setting? |
| 11:48.10 | yowlst | ethtool -k ethx |
| 11:48.41 | valdyn | yowlst: same hardware? |
| 11:48.52 | yowlst | no |
| 11:49.02 | valdyn | yowlst: that might be a hardware feature... |
| 11:49.13 | valdyn | yowlst: it defenitely is a hardware or driver feature |
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| 11:49.53 | d_b | rajeshsr: sorry, don't know anything about that. |
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| 11:50.21 | valdyn | yowlst: i have all kinds of settings on debian for 3 different ethernet cards |
| 11:50.38 | valdyn | yowlst: 3 cards, 3 different settings across tx and rx checksumming |
| 11:50.40 | yowlst | valdyn, i administer 2 centOS 5.3 with tx-checksumming: on | on the same hardware, and on all my machines debian i have tx-checksumming: off |
| 11:50.43 | marcus_dicotomia | have anyone had problems with virtualbox in Debian Squeeze? |
| 11:51.03 | MorkBork | yowlst, realtek nics? |
| 11:51.06 | marcus_dicotomia | My PC frozen when I start virtualbox |
| 11:51.08 | valdyn | yowlst: coincidence |
| 11:51.09 | MorkBork | centos is an ancient kernel 2.6.18 |
| 11:51.14 | MorkBork | so its drivers are very old |
| 11:51.32 | yowlst | broadcom on both |
| 11:51.34 | MorkBork | perhaps newer drivers have refined which revisions of a piece of hardware should have certain features turned on |
| 11:51.41 | yowlst | MorkBork, sure. |
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| 11:52.02 | valdyn | yowlst: intel chipset has both on |
| 11:52.12 | MorkBork | intel is good card |
| 11:52.12 | MorkBork | ;p |
| 11:52.12 | valdyn | yowlst: e1000 to be precise |
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| 11:52.17 | Ben_90 | can someone please help me? |
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| 11:52.37 | valdyn | yowlst: this marvell has rx on, tx off |
| 11:52.42 | valdyn | yowlst: etc... |
| 11:52.51 | MorkBork | yowlst, you can change with ethtool -K |
| 11:53.00 | MorkBork | but will likely screw up connection |
| 11:53.01 | MorkBork | ;p |
| 11:53.09 | yowlst | valdyn, no e1000 |
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| 11:53.16 | valdyn | i doubt he can switch it on when its not on by default anyway |
| 11:53.21 | yowlst | valdyn, chipset intel both |
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| 11:53.34 | MorkBork | you can turn them on |
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| 11:53.41 | MorkBork | but theres no guarantee it wont bork your network |
| 11:53.47 | Ben_90 | adb:? |
| 11:53.57 | valdyn | yowlst: you just carfe about the ethernet chip, not the other stuff |
| 11:54.11 | valdyn | but why would i care anyway? |
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| 11:54.16 | valdyn | kernel has more clue about this than me... |
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| 11:54.42 | yucatan1 | hello guys when i connect to my vnc server and i enter my username and pass and i hit enter my vnc server crach i use x11vnc as vnc server |
| 11:54.42 | Ben_90 | hello... anyone? |
| 11:54.52 | yucatan1 | i get : caught XIO error: |
| 11:54.52 | yowlst | MorkBork, i know but does not resolve my packet loss :) |
| 11:55.01 | yowlst | valdyn, ok |
| 11:55.03 | MorkBork | i doubt offloading is cause of packet loss |
| 11:55.09 | valdyn | yowlst: in general newer kernels should have the same or more things switched on |
| 11:55.20 | MorkBork | actually a lot of the times its less valdyn |
| 11:55.21 | valdyn | yowlst: but there may be exceptions due to discovered hardware bugs |
| 11:55.24 | MorkBork | for example, realtek is trash |
| 11:55.28 | MorkBork | always remember, realtek is trash |
| 11:55.29 | MorkBork | :P |
| 11:55.43 | valdyn | MorkBork: newer kernels on the same hardware |
| 11:55.44 | yowlst | MorkBork, :) |
| 11:56.23 | valdyn | yowlst: most users dont need to care about hardware offload |
| 11:56.39 | Ben_90 | HELLO! |
| 11:56.39 | yucatan1 | hello guys when i connect to my vnc server and i enter my username and pass and i hit enter my vnc server crach i use x11vnc as vnc server |
| 11:56.43 | yowlst | i ve problem with rtp stream, so i was to be sure the udp bravhios was good on my asterisk machines |
| 11:56.51 | yucatan1 | i get : caught XIO error: |
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| 11:57.43 | yowlst | then i can see some recieve errors in netstat -su |
| 11:57.58 | yowlst | but probably is old stuff |
| 11:58.00 | Ben_90 | WTF!!!! |
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| 11:58.29 | MorkBork | yowlst, perhaps a bad cable |
| 11:58.33 | MorkBork | i discovered one myself yesterday |
| 11:58.36 | MorkBork | the first in so many years |
| 11:58.37 | MorkBork | :P |
| 11:58.49 | Ben_90 | MorkBork? |
| 11:59.00 | MorkBork | Ben_90, if you have a question just ask it man |
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| 11:59.08 | MorkBork | no need to ask for permission |
| 11:59.16 | yowlst | MorkBork, is a new infrastructure just tested etc.. |
| 11:59.28 | Ben_90 | MorkBork: my screensavers are messed up |
| 11:59.39 | MorkBork | Ben_90, no idea, i do servers ;x |
| 11:59.40 | yowlst | any suggestion for catching the p-loss segment? |
| 11:59.53 | Ben_90 | MorkBork: ok |
| 11:59.53 | MorkBork | if there is udp loss, is probably icmp loss as well |
| 11:59.59 | MorkBork | perhaps ping flood |
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| 12:00.07 | MorkBork | sudo ping -f 1.2.3.4 |
| 12:00.13 | MorkBork | ctrl + 4 to view current statistics |
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| 12:00.28 | sfv | is there a way to close an ssh connection if there is a say 3secs of inactivity with iptables? |
| 12:00.30 | yowlst | MorkBork, no no. tcpdump only show some bad sequence in some packets |
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| 12:00.44 | MorkBork | udp has no sequence |
| 12:00.45 | Ben_90 | does anyone know how i can fix my scrambled screensavers? |
| 12:01.16 | massmc | hi, i have a fluxbox running tightvnc, all set up well.. how can i get multiple users at 1 time logging in to the machine through vnc |
| 12:01.19 | yowlst | MorkBork, ?? |
| 12:01.20 | MorkBork | Ben_90, if nobody here knows, you can try asking gnome or kde people perhaps, depending on what you use |
| 12:01.47 | Ben_90 | wtf! do i have to send you a damn pic? |
| 12:02.08 | yowlst | MorkBork, nice ping -f ctr+4 :) |
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| 12:02.27 | MorkBork | 1412568/1412568 packets, 0% loss, min/avg/ewma/max = 0.034/0.051/0.060/1.335 ms |
| 12:02.32 | MorkBork | it helped me determine bad cable |
| 12:02.37 | MorkBork | took me like 8 hours until i lost one packet :P |
| 12:02.38 | yowlst | MorkBork, very nice |
| 12:03.27 | yowlst | see you later guys |
| 12:03.30 | MorkBork | cya |
| 12:03.33 | yowlst | really thanks |
| 12:04.01 | MorkBork | np |
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| 12:05.18 | Ben_90 | is there any Gnome People here? |
| 12:06.19 | pluesch0r | Ben_90: you mean vertically challenged people? |
| 12:06.41 | Ben_90 | pluesch0r: no |
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| 12:07.12 | pluesch0r | ok |
| 12:07.18 | imimimiim | hello, can someone tell me the equivalent of /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0 for debian? thanks. |
| 12:08.36 | Ben_90 | pluesch0r: do you run gnome? |
| 12:08.39 | babilen | Ben_90: It might help if you explain what you mean by "scrambled screensavers". Also see http://live.gnome.org/GnomeIrcChannels |
| 12:08.49 | pluesch0r | Ben_90: nope. |
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| 12:09.03 | MorkBork | imimimiim, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:09.04 | Ben_90 | pluesch0r: whay do you run? |
| 12:09.24 | Ben_90 | what* |
| 12:09.24 | MorkBork | the two big ones are gnome and kde, and they are more of 'desktop solutions/environments' |
| 12:09.32 | MorkBork | there are tons of others though |
| 12:09.45 | imimimiim | MorkBork, thanks. is there a way to stop dhclient from running on boot with this file? on fedora i can use "ONBOOT=on" |
| 12:09.47 | MorkBork | xfce is a really lightweight one, popular for old computers |
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| 12:09.48 | imimimiim | *no |
| 12:09.54 | MorkBork | imimimiim, yes, you can |
| 12:09.56 | funqshun | hello |
| 12:09.58 | MorkBork | man interfaces |
| 12:10.00 | babilen | !tell Ben_90 -about smart questions |
| 12:10.08 | imimimiim | MorkBork, thanks ;) (doh) |
| 12:10.18 | MorkBork | i dont normally tell people to man shit |
| 12:10.24 | MorkBork | but, its kind of complicated to explain that entire file |
| 12:10.35 | MorkBork | theres like no auto and allow-hotplug and all sorts of other options |
| 12:10.50 | imimimiim | no probs, i'll look in to it :) |
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| 12:12.54 | MorkBork | honestly i think debians network config is one of its weak points |
| 12:13.03 | MorkBork | but i dont think fedora/rhel/centos is much better |
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| 12:14.34 | imimimiim | MorkBork, yeah.. i actually just checked out the man page but there is no reference to setting a boot flag.. |
| 12:14.44 | imimimiim | oh well it must be somewhere else hmm |
| 12:14.58 | Ben_90 | forget it , i gotta go now. |
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| 12:24.37 | ferr | back |
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| 12:24.45 | ferr | sry |
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| 12:29.30 | yucatan1 | hello i have a debian machine running as router i have 2 LANs i wanne make it like this if LAN1 want speed it gets it if LAN2 wants speed it only gets it if availble so LAN1 always gets a higher priority how can i build that? |
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| 12:32.08 | MorkBork | yucatan1, id use htb |
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| 12:32.32 | yucatan1 | is htb something like tc? |
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| 12:32.44 | MorkBork | htb is a classful queuing discipline |
| 12:33.03 | MorkBork | its used with tc |
| 12:33.12 | yucatan1 | ahh okee |
| 12:33.47 | MorkBork | you can use iptables to classify |
| 12:33.50 | MorkBork | its probably easiest |
| 12:35.02 | MorkBork | iptables -A POSTROUTING -i eth1 -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:10 |
| 12:35.04 | MorkBork | err |
| 12:35.09 | MorkBork | iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -i eth1 -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:10 |
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| 12:35.52 | MorkBork | but you must setup the classes to point to |
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| 12:35.55 | MorkBork | otherwise that does nothing |
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| 12:36.16 | yucatan1 | explane |
| 12:36.22 | yucatan1 | what u mean setup the classes |
| 12:36.27 | MorkBork | well |
| 12:36.32 | MorkBork | you attach queue to an interface |
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| 12:36.48 | MorkBork | for htb queue (the best one for your purpose) |
| 12:36.54 | MorkBork | you create classes |
| 12:37.01 | MorkBork | say.. 800kbps for class 10 |
| 12:37.06 | MorkBork | 800kbps for class 20 |
| 12:37.08 | yucatan1 | ahh like that |
| 12:37.14 | MorkBork | or |
| 12:37.17 | freetime | hi, can anybody help me , i'm looking for a tool for monitoring linux process activity and build a chart |
| 12:37.21 | MorkBork | 1mbps class 10, max 10mb |
| 12:37.29 | MorkBork | 5mb class 20, max 10mb |
| 12:37.33 | MorkBork | and share what is left |
| 12:37.34 | layon | someone has problems with unclean shutdown in filesystems with debian testing? |
| 12:38.04 | MorkBork | can only filter 'outgoing' |
| 12:38.08 | MorkBork | err |
| 12:38.11 | MorkBork | not filter, queue |
| 12:38.14 | yucatan1 | i have a ETH1 |
| 12:38.15 | MorkBork | you can only queue outgoing |
| 12:38.19 | yucatan1 | and i have a ETH0 |
| 12:38.19 | MorkBork | upload :P |
| 12:38.22 | MorkBork | brb |
| 12:38.24 | yucatan1 | and ETH3 |
| 12:38.25 | babilen | layon: no, but thanks for offering help |
| 12:38.31 | yucatan1 | so 2 lans one wan |
| 12:38.37 | yucatan1 | can u give me a sample? |
| 12:38.40 | ewet | hi, is there anything on modern desktop backup strategies? I have a raid for the hardware failure. So what's left? user failure (copy on write?) and fire (backup site?)... |
| 12:38.43 | yucatan1 | about how i should do that |
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| 12:38.55 | yucatan1 | the piont is lan1 always gets what is asks |
| 12:39.00 | yucatan1 | lan2 gets the rest |
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| 12:39.24 | layon | babilen, I'm no offering help, I need help :) |
| 12:39.51 | babilen | layon: Ah - Could you give a more detailed description of your problem then? |
| 12:39.59 | pluesch0r | ewet: raid is not backup. |
| 12:40.07 | lumis | Anyone have any experience with Debian on the Samsung N140 netbook? |
| 12:40.25 | pluesch0r | ewet: if you want backup, you do it from a lvm snapshot. and ideally, you put the backup on tape. not on disk. |
| 12:40.27 | babilen | !anyone |
| 12:40.28 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 12:40.52 | lumis | thanks >__> |
| 12:41.18 | yucatan1 | one more question guys i wanne remote control my gnome what do u advice |
| 12:41.22 | babilen | lumis: You might want to have a look at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ |
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| 12:42.37 | yucatan1 | one more question guys i wanne remote control my gnome what do u advice |
| 12:42.51 | pluesch0r | yucatan1: freenx |
| 12:43.04 | layon | I don't know why from 3 days ago, on every boot all my partitions are checked saying that the filesystem was unclean unmounted |
| 12:43.16 | freetime | can i use top command to monitoring all tasks activity and build a char ? |
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| 12:43.58 | layon | I'm using LVM and ReiserFs |
| 12:44.52 | pluesch0r | layon: don't use reiserfs. |
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| 12:45.12 | pluesch0r | it's a killer. |
| 12:45.20 | lumis | pluesch0r: how so? |
| 12:45.27 | MorkBork | yucatan1, you should read |
| 12:45.27 | MorkBork | http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.classful.html |
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| 12:45.49 | pluesch0r | lumis: it's unreliable. |
| 12:45.56 | pluesch0r | at least that's my experience with reiser. |
| 12:46.01 | babilen | freetime: 'build a char' ? |
| 12:46.05 | pluesch0r | i'm using ext3, ext4 and xfs. |
| 12:46.09 | MorkBork | i will show you an example script i use yucatan1 |
| 12:46.13 | MorkBork | for if-up.d/ |
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| 12:46.16 | lumis | I've never used it, just heard very mixed reports about it ;) |
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| 12:46.26 | MorkBork | yucatan1, http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/1664806 |
| 12:46.39 | MorkBork | you will have to change 2000kbit and whatever to match appropriate values |
| 12:46.54 | MorkBork | and of course use classify rule in mangle table |
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| 12:46.57 | MorkBork | notice 1:20 is default |
| 12:47.01 | MorkBork | so only 1 classify rule is required |
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| 12:47.11 | krionux | hi |
| 12:47.17 | MorkBork | i dont have time to fully explain it to you |
| 12:47.18 | MorkBork | sorry |
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| 12:52.27 | freetime | babilen: no , chart |
| 12:52.57 | sfv | http://pastebin.ca/1664812 anyone can explain why it wants to remove those pkgs? |
| 12:53.06 | yucatan1 | no problem |
| 12:53.14 | yucatan1 | say in big lines |
| 12:53.16 | yucatan1 | what will this do |
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| 12:53.24 | yucatan1 | do i need to install something to get this working or not? |
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| 12:54.01 | P_Kable | Hello |
| 12:54.14 | P_Kable | Anyone here is a champion @ postgres + debian ? |
| 12:54.19 | P_Kable | please |
| 12:54.50 | MorkBork | no need to install anything |
| 12:54.51 | sfv | what does pkg{u} mean |
| 12:55.03 | MorkBork | what i posted is a script i use for debian to add those commands when network is started at boot |
| 12:55.11 | MorkBork | eth0 is the wan interface |
| 12:55.16 | MorkBork | so it will add queues to wan |
| 12:55.56 | MorkBork | tc class add dev ${IFACE} parent 1: classid 1:1 htb rate 2000kbit mtu 1500 <- all must be kept under 2mbps (2000kbit) |
| 12:56.06 | MorkBork | tc class add dev ${IFACE} parent 1:1 classid 1:10 htb rate 2000kbit ceil 2000kbit mtu 1500 |
| 12:56.20 | MorkBork | that makes class 1:10, allowed full rate 2000kbit, maximum burst rate 2000kbit |
| 12:56.31 | layon | <pluesch0r> you think my problem is about ReiserFs? |
| 12:56.49 | MorkBork | tc class add dev ${IFACE} parent 1:1 classid 1:20 htb rate 1kbit ceil 2000kbit mtu 1500 <- that makes class 1:20, only guaranteed 1kbit, but can use what is left from 1:10 |
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| 12:57.59 | MorkBork | tc qdisc add dev ${IFACE} parent 1:10 handle 10: sfq perturb 10 <- this is nesting a class within a class, i use sfq (fair queuing) so it is balanced evenly within the class |
| 12:58.13 | MorkBork | if you watn to test |
| 12:58.18 | yucatan1 | yeah |
| 12:58.22 | MorkBork | change all tc lines with ${IFACE} |
| 12:58.24 | MorkBork | to eth0 |
| 12:58.29 | yucatan1 | all the rules that u have typed here |
| 12:58.30 | MorkBork | and copy and paste 1 by 1 in order |
| 12:58.34 | yucatan1 | are onso in the script |
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| 12:58.37 | MorkBork | http://gentoo.pastebin.ca/1664806 |
| 12:58.38 | MorkBork | yes |
| 12:58.44 | MorkBork | the script is for starting at boot that i made |
| 12:58.52 | MorkBork | but if you want to test |
| 12:58.58 | MorkBork | replace all ${IFACE} with eth0 |
| 12:59.02 | MorkBork | in lines that start with tc |
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| 12:59.07 | MorkBork | and run them in order |
| 12:59.10 | MorkBork | and it will build the queues |
| 12:59.16 | MorkBork | then use the -t mangle rule i shoed above |
| 12:59.29 | MorkBork | iptables -t mangle -A POSTROUTING -i eth1 -j CLASSIFY --set-class 1:10 |
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| 12:59.34 | MorkBork | and all is done |
| 12:59.34 | MorkBork | :P |
| 12:59.39 | wols | P_Kable: start your real problem if you need help |
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| 13:00.07 | MorkBork | yucatan1, i made very simple example for you, you can do soooooooo much more |
| 13:00.10 | riz_ | Hello. Could someone please help me with this thing? http://pastebin.com/m1c88605a |
| 13:00.14 | MorkBork | but its hard to explain in 5 or 10 tminutes |
| 13:00.18 | P_Kable | psql -U postgres |
| 13:00.18 | P_Kable | psql: FATAL: authentification Ident échouée pour l'utilisateur « postgres » |
| 13:00.26 | P_Kable | that's my problem |
| 13:00.28 | MorkBork | http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.qdisc.classful.html <- best resource, also all of the lartc is good |
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| 13:00.41 | yucatan1 | yeah i know |
| 13:00.44 | yucatan1 | i should test |
| 13:00.46 | sfv | what does pkg{u} mean? |
| 13:00.57 | yucatan1 | for the moment i'm still learning iptables |
| 13:01.02 | MorkBork | if you have 1mbit upload |
| 13:01.05 | MorkBork | change 2000 to 1000 |
| 13:01.10 | babilen | P_Kable: # su postgre ; $ psql |
| 13:01.11 | MorkBork | if you have 512k |
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| 13:01.15 | echa_ | when I run gnome-terminal -e "echo hello" i get nothing, but putting "echo hello" into a script and executing that with the -e param works, why? |
| 13:01.16 | MorkBork | change to 512kbit, etc |
| 13:01.33 | babilen | P_Kable: s/postgre/postgres |
| 13:01.47 | MorkBork | have you noticed that if you upload max speed your latency increases and your download speed slows |
| 13:01.49 | yucatan1 | yeah idd |
| 13:01.51 | MorkBork | this will prevent |
| 13:01.53 | MorkBork | :P |
| 13:01.59 | MorkBork | can upload full speed and feel smooth |
| 13:02.08 | yucatan1 | :P |
| 13:02.18 | MorkBork | is great for roommates |
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| 13:02.35 | MorkBork | traffic shaping has prevented many epic battles, im sure |
| 13:02.49 | yucatan1 | thats for sure:P |
| 13:02.59 | babilen | P_Kable: Or grant sufficient priviliges for the user you run psql as |
| 13:03.21 | P_Kable | babilen, user is root |
| 13:03.48 | P_Kable | add root to postgres group is enough babilen ? |
| 13:03.49 | babilen | P_Kable: nvm -> su postgres ; psql |
| 13:04.18 | babilen | P_Kable: No - within postgresql. Google for "postgresql 8.3 grant" |
| 13:04.37 | P_Kable | thx |
| 13:04.49 | babilen | P_Kable: But why use root? |
| 13:04.56 | RichiH | not using iptables nor pam, is there a way to restrict the IP range sshd accepts connections from? |
| 13:05.24 | P_Kable | babilen, I use root to run psql -U postgres |
| 13:05.35 | P_Kable | I get FATAL |
| 13:05.38 | Titan8990 | RichiH, /etc/hosts.allow and hosts.deny? |
| 13:06.02 | babilen | P_Kable: You should create a user account within PostgreSQL for your normal user, grant all the priviliges you want that user to have and work as that user |
| 13:06.10 | Titan8990 | RichiH, nvm, man page looks like its for nfs only |
| 13:06.17 | superjet_busy | RichiH: why not iptables? |
| 13:06.25 | MorkBork | RichiH, http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?sshd_config+5 |
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| 13:06.29 | MorkBork | read AllowUsers |
| 13:06.30 | P_Kable | babilen, I see I try that |
| 13:06.33 | MorkBork | AllowUsers *@1.2.3.4 |
| 13:06.33 | MorkBork | etc |
| 13:06.45 | wols | Titan8990: hosts.allow is for tcpwrappers, no? |
| 13:06.52 | MorkBork | it will still accept connection from any ip, but not allow login |
| 13:07.06 | MorkBork | the only way to prevent actual connection is to change listening interface or firewall |
| 13:07.10 | Titan8990 | wols, never used them, just knew they were there and took a quick look at the manpage description |
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| 13:07.31 | wols | tcpwrappers works with a lot more than nf |
| 13:07.33 | wols | nfs |
| 13:07.39 | P_Kable | babilen, actually I need to be able to run psql -U postgres from root to login to the database |
| 13:07.41 | babilen | P_Kable: Type "su postgres" as root, then "psql" as postgres, enter the password you chose when you installed PostgreSQL and voila! |
| 13:07.45 | P_Kable | it's for alfresco |
| 13:08.07 | sfv | anyone??? |
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| 13:08.21 | P_Kable | babilen, the ideal would be psql -U postgres as root |
| 13:08.22 | sfv | http://pastebin.ca/1664812 anyone can explain why it wants to remove those pkgs? |
| 13:08.24 | sfv | what does pkg{u} mean? |
| 13:08.41 | babilen | P_Kable: Then do "psql postgres" as root |
| 13:09.02 | RichiH | MorkBork: hrm, seems i used the wrong keywords to search the manpage... thanks. i need to try if this is _host_ or _host range_, though |
| 13:09.04 | P_Kable | psql postgres |
| 13:09.05 | P_Kable | psql: FATAL: authentification Ident échouée pour l'utilisateur « root » |
| 13:09.15 | MorkBork | you can use the wildcards ? and * |
| 13:09.23 | MorkBork | so theres not much granularity, but some |
| 13:09.48 | MorkBork | i dont know if wildcards work well in host |
| 13:09.52 | pluesch0r | P_Kable: su postgres; then psql |
| 13:09.58 | pluesch0r | or adjust your pg_hba config. |
| 13:10.22 | RichiH | yah, no subnetting |
| 13:10.24 | RichiH | bleh |
| 13:10.29 | P_Kable | I need to do # psql -U postgres |
| 13:10.32 | P_Kable | how can I ? |
| 13:10.35 | P_Kable | please |
| 13:10.52 | pluesch0r | P_Kable: su root; su postgres; psql; |
| 13:10.52 | RichiH | !search |
| 13:10.52 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 13:11.13 | P_Kable | pluesch0r, ok thx |
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| 13:15.34 | paxcoder | can anyone please tell me why I didn't get an iso when trying to create a live image using lh_config with -b iso? instead, i got a couple of folders right on my fs |
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| 13:16.42 | Rahim | how can I print even/odd pages from Okular? |
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| 13:17.06 | Rahim | or suggest any pdf viewer where i can acheive this |
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| 13:18.19 | babilen_ | Rahim: evince can do it. Don't know about Okular, but i would be surprised if it is not possible. |
| 13:19.21 | Rahim | babilen: no option in Okular and i am on kde4 so dont wanna use evince |
| 13:19.47 | MorkBork | can you print to an intermediate format |
| 13:19.53 | MorkBork | like print to postscript or something |
| 13:20.01 | MorkBork | then use something else to print even/odd |
| 13:20.01 | MorkBork | ? |
| 13:20.37 | yucatan1 | how can u connect with my windows xp to the x server on debian ? |
| 13:20.45 | babilen | Rahim: Then use lpr with "-o page-set=odd | even" |
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| 13:21.45 | babilen | Rahim: You should have no problem using evince even on kde4 though... |
| 13:22.01 | Rahim | babilen: all right will try that in Ubuntu :D |
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| 13:22.23 | babilen | Rahim: Why Ubuntu? |
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| 13:22.47 | Rahim | babilen: dont wanna bloat my debian :D |
| 13:22.57 | babilen | Rahim: use lpr |
| 13:23.09 | Rahim | babilen: give me full command |
| 13:23.21 | babilen | Rahim: or have a look how big the evince install will be, before you decide that it will bloat your system. |
| 13:23.53 | babilen | Rahim: lpr -o page-set=even your.pdf |
| 13:24.14 | Rahim | babilen: thanks, let me try |
| 13:25.41 | sfv | how do i install from a .deb file? |
| 13:25.56 | Rahim | sfv: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 13:26.09 | Rahim | sfv: in a konsole/terminal enter that command |
| 13:26.21 | sfv | can i install debs from squeeze to a lenny? |
| 13:26.38 | wols | sfv: no. use backports instead |
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| 13:26.56 | babilen | !tell sfv -about bpo |
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| 13:27.36 | Rahim | babilen: thanks, seems working :D |
| 13:27.37 | wols | yucatan1: you've been told several times now. the answer doesn't change |
| 13:27.38 | sfv | if non existent? |
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| 13:27.58 | wols | !tell sfv about ssb |
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| 13:28.08 | wols | note: this is totally on your own risk |
| 13:28.16 | pluesch0r | i'd like to copy a fs via network from xfs to xfs. will rsync -aRul honor hard links that are present in the source file system? |
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| 13:28.45 | dff | anyone have a clue where shared folders go in debian as a guest OS in vmware? |
| 13:28.56 | sfv | what does the pkg{u} flag mean? |
| 13:29.01 | babilen | Rahim: great. I would still consider installing evince, or ask some #kde people. If that option really is mising than kde4 is a bigger mess than i though. |
| 13:29.18 | wols | sfv: what does "dpkg -l pkg" say? |
| 13:29.22 | P_Kable | I have an issue with locales on this server, to create the database postgresql tells me I need UT8 and the local is fr_fr, here is the message inFrench sorry: |
| 13:29.23 | P_Kable | ERREUR: l'encodage UTF8 ne correspond pas à la locale fr_FR du serveur |
| 13:29.25 | Raven737 | Hi! Question: I installed Debian Lenny from Net Install. Now wheni want to log in using SSH after it asks fro the user name it just hangs for 30 seconds before asking for the password. Why is that? (i think i may have misconfigured the domain name, does that matter?) |
| 13:29.31 | P_Kable | DETAIL: Le paramètre LC_CTYPE du serveur nécessite l'encodage LATIN1. |
| 13:29.47 | wols | Raven737: yes, reverse dns does matter |
| 13:29.50 | sfv | wols: can i install from source instead? |
| 13:29.55 | pluesch0r | P_Kable: unless you change your locale to english, it's not likely that someone will be able to help you. |
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| 13:30.04 | babilen | P_Kable: Ask in #postgresql and use a English locale for the error messages. |
| 13:30.12 | Raven737 | wols: what for? Can i disable it? |
| 13:30.20 | Titan8990 | Raven737, yeah, that matters because the server is likely trying to make MDNS requests that nothing can reply to |
| 13:30.31 | Titan8990 | ah, wols beat me to it |
| 13:30.38 | wols | sfv: you always can do that. if it's advisable or we help with it depends on how you do it. read the ssb factoid dpkg gave you more carefully |
| 13:30.44 | babilen | P_Kable: And good to know that it worked for you. I still don't understand why you want to do it as root though. |
| 13:31.19 | wols | Raven737: I think in your sshd config you can. Titan8990 the problem existed before mdns even existed in debian |
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| 13:31.26 | sfv | wols: i prefer building from src than having to go through all that |
| 13:31.32 | umarzuki | evening all |
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| 13:31.52 | P_Kable | babilen, it worked I can do the command thx to all, but now I run in another issue. I needed to do this because other apps like alfresco will execute this... it's a long story |
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| 13:32.01 | wols | sfv: then debian is the wrong distro for you (as is almost any other distro). package management won't work if you bypass it |
| 13:32.10 | umarzuki | is there any default tool like system-config-network-tui on debian? |
| 13:32.24 | wols | !wayttd umarzuki |
| 13:32.24 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, umarzuki? |
| 13:32.42 | Titan8990 | sfv, gentoo.... |
| 13:32.42 | sfv | wols: that advice is for sid, i want to have a squeeze pkg in lenny |
| 13:33.10 | wols | no it is NOT for sid, for sid this advice is useless |
| 13:33.18 | Titan8990 | sfv, if you are talking about ssb it will work for any sources that are not the same as your existing version |
| 13:33.21 | babilen | P_Kable: Ok, fair enough. I suggest heading over to #postgresql for PostgreSQL specific questions though. |
| 13:33.33 | wols | and you can just as well backport squeeze packages instead of sid ones with this |
| 13:33.34 | umarzuki | ncurses network configuration thingy? |
| 13:33.37 | sfv | wols: If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. |
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| 13:33.43 | Raven737 | wolz: sorry but i just looked through the sshd_config and can't find what i should change and how. What should be changed and to what? |
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| 13:33.49 | sfv | ok |
| 13:33.58 | wols | sfv: yes. what prevents you frm pointing this line to squeeze? |
| 13:33.59 | babilen | sfv: freebsd, ... |
| 13:34.31 | mesaGL | sfv: maybe you should stop being a pain and get with the program instead of pretending you're some kind of ubergeek |
| 13:34.35 | h3xis | umarzuki: what about just editing /etc/network/interfaces directly? |
| 13:34.55 | umarzuki | incase some kid ask me this question |
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| 13:35.44 | babilen | sfv: have a look at "linux from scratch", "gentoo", "slackware", "freebsd", ... they might suit your needs |
| 13:36.07 | Titan8990 | !gentoosmite babilen |
| 13:36.07 | dpkg | spends 7 weeks recompiling babilen, and when it's all done, babilen runs 6% slower than previously |
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| 13:36.37 | babilen | !slap Titan8990 |
| 13:36.38 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across Titan8990's face |
| 13:36.39 | Titan8990 | babilen, i doubt lfs is going to suit anyone needs unless their need is to learn linux |
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| 13:37.09 | Raven737 | Titan8990: do you know how i can stop sshd from making reverse dns requests for a clients ip address? |
| 13:37.28 | h3xis | umarzuki: what about the network-config package |
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| 13:37.41 | babilen | Titan8990: If the need is: "I want to compile everyhting" then so be it... I just recommend distributions/os that fit into that category. |
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| 13:37.48 | Titan8990 | Raven737, UseDNS no in sshd_config |
| 13:38.06 | Titan8990 | babilen, ah, gentoo takes it there imo :) |
| 13:38.14 | sfv | one other question: the pkg.orig.tar.gz that i see in packages.debian.org does incorporate the patch in the diff or not |
| 13:38.15 | Messi | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
| 13:38.35 | valdyn | sfv: does not |
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| 13:40.16 | Raven737 | Titan8990: That worked!! Thank you very much!!! :-) |
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| 13:40.57 | dff | i run the visudo command as root and get the error msg command not found :/ |
| 13:41.00 | Titan8990 | Raven737, excellent, don't forget to thank wols for the idea |
| 13:41.24 | Titan8990 | dff, should be part of the sudo package |
| 13:41.39 | dff | Titan8990: i get command not found with that too |
| 13:41.44 | dff | sudo |
| 13:41.50 | Titan8990 | dff, uhh... did you install it? |
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| 13:41.59 | Raven737 | wols: Thank you for the help!! =) |
| 13:42.04 | Raven737 | Thanks!! |
| 13:42.11 | Titan8990 | dff, aptitude install sudo |
| 13:42.15 | sfv | what will apt-get install build-essential do? |
| 13:42.31 | sanderj_ | Anyone know exactly how multipath works against a SAN? |
| 13:42.33 | valdyn | sfv: read the package description |
| 13:42.38 | Titan8990 | sfv, install the virtual package build-essentials.... if you want to know what those are read the depends |
| 13:42.51 | sfv | how? |
| 13:43.01 | Titan8990 | sfv, aptitude show build-essentials |
| 13:43.09 | dff | Titan8990: doesnt it come preinstalled :D |
| 13:43.14 | Titan8990 | dff, no |
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| 13:44.05 | sfv | E: Unable to locate package build-essentials |
| 13:44.22 | sfv | err the s |
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| 13:44.57 | sfv | how can i get a src pkg that incorporates the diff? |
| 13:45.11 | sfv | i dont want to mess with the squeeze dev pkgs |
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| 13:45.13 | nietoyface | Good morning, people |
| 13:45.13 | Titan8990 | sfv, drop the "s" off the end |
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| 13:49.34 | sfv | anyone? |
| 13:50.18 | Titan8990 | sfv, apt-get source <package> |
| 13:50.22 | |newbie| | Hello ladies and gentlemen. I have a lenny machine (QNAP 109) on a local network. It used to work fine. But now, I can access to it, I don't know why. How to find its IP? I have no cross ethernet link, only staight link. |
| 13:50.36 | |newbie| | I can't* |
| 13:50.53 | sfv | Titan8990: will that retrieve lenny or squeeze version/ |
| 13:51.09 | Titan8990 | |newbie|, is the server headless? |
| 13:51.22 | |newbie| | Titan8990: yes, it is |
| 13:51.42 | benedikt | Anybody own one of these? http://www.ubnt.com/products/rspro.php |
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| 13:52.17 | |newbie| | The only way to talk with the machine is by ethernet, ssh especially |
| 13:52.18 | Titan8990 | sfv, you can use -t to specify the branch |
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| 13:53.01 | sfv | Titan8990: the dir inside still doesnt incorporate the patch (i think) |
| 13:53.14 | Titan8990 | |newbie|, eww, no serial port? |
| 13:54.04 | Titan8990 | sfv, then maybe they didn't patch it... I just tested with apache and got apache2_2.2.9.orig.tar.gz and apache2_2.2.9-10+lenny4.diff.gz along with a pre-patched unpacked dir |
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| 13:54.42 | p0g0_ | benedikt: I have the RS, but not the pro |
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| 13:55.14 | Titan8990 | |newbie|, well, if you think it just picked up a different addy via dhcp you scan your network for hosts using nmap. e.g. if you network was 192.168.1.0/24: nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 |
| 13:55.23 | benedikt | p0g0_: im more considering the rs. but have you maned to flash debian to it?Ã or is it even possible? |
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| 13:56.10 | p0g0_ | benedikt: I have only flashed it with openWRT. I know someone with the RSPro and they too have only flashed it with OpenWRT. |
| 13:56.15 | Titan8990 | sfv, unless you are looking to modify the code or configuration just run dpkg-buildpackage from the sourcedir and be done with it |
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| 13:57.09 | benedikt | p0g0_: i was thinking about my nslu (with an arm cpu) and i flashed that one with debian. Was wondering if the RS had a debian-compitable cpu. How capable is openwrt? |
| 13:58.04 | sfv | Titan8990: dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 7.0.50~) autoconf automake quilt (>= 0.40) |
| 13:58.08 | p0g0_ | benedikt: it is a marvelous platform. It's a MIPs device, iirc. You should join #openwrt, but it's a very capable distribution. |
| 13:58.24 | Titan8990 | sfv, aptitude build-dep <package> |
| 13:59.09 | benedikt | p0g0_: thanks. im about to order the rs, the rspro only seems to have one ethernet interface. |
| 13:59.35 | p0g0_ | benedikt: no, it has the same # of LAN/WAN ports and they are gigabit, not 100s |
| 13:59.36 | sfv | Titan8990: it wants to fetch all the dev tools which is what im trying to avoid |
| 13:59.56 | benedikt | p0g0_: ubnt.com says "switch" not "interface" |
| 13:59.57 | sfv | i want to install the patched version of the pkg without having to fetch all the dev env |
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| 14:00.20 | Titan8990 | sfv, you can't build a package without its dependencies |
| 14:00.24 | Titan8990 | no getting around it |
| 14:00.34 | p0g0_ | benedikt: look at the data sheet, or just believe me- both devices have 3 LAN ports, and 1 WAN, 3 mpci slots and USB |
| 14:00.50 | sfv | Titan8990: im afraid it will mess up the system because the pkg is squeeze but all system is lenny |
| 14:01.13 | benedikt | p0g0_: i prefer beliveving a person on irc rather than product specifications on a company website :) |
| 14:01.14 | p0g0_ | benedikt: iirc, the Pro has more RAM and a faster processor as well as faster NICs |
| 14:01.37 | p0g0_ | benedikt: the data sheet fro the RS is good, fwiw. |
| 14:01.41 | p0g0_ | *for |
| 14:01.48 | benedikt | im looking for it |
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| 14:02.18 | Titan8990 | sfv, what package is that you needed a new version of? |
| 14:02.23 | p0g0_ | benedikt: you might also want to browse the ubiquiti forums, there is a lot of discussion there too. |
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| 14:02.36 | sfv | Titan8990: rssh |
| 14:02.45 | benedikt | p0g0_: will do that. this seems like a neat devide. |
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| 14:02.48 | benedikt | device* |
| 14:02.54 | Titan8990 | judd, versions rssh |
| 14:02.55 | judd | Titan8990: rssh -- etch: 2.3.2-2 lenny: 2.3.2-8 sid: 2.3.2-10 squeeze: 2.3.2-10 |
| 14:03.22 | abrotman | sfv: the build-deps look pretty similar .. i'd guess it would just build |
| 14:03.33 | Titan8990 | sfv, im guessing there was some kind of security fix from 2.3.2-8 to 2.3.2-10? |
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| 14:03.54 | sfv | Titan8990: svn support |
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| 14:07.24 | benedikt | p0g0_: i cant find the datasheet. the search function on the website is disabled |
| 14:07.37 | sfv | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: debhelper (>= 7.0.50~) quilt (>= 0.40) |
| 14:07.41 | sfv | i have lenny debhelper |
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| 14:12.07 | \amethyst | sfv: a newer version of debhelper is in backports; and there is a new enough version of quilt in lenny already |
| 14:12.12 | p0g0_ | benedikt: google it- many vendors have copies. |
| 14:12.35 | benedikt | p0g0_: google didnt help. the ubnt wiki did. |
| 14:12.45 | |newbie| | thanks you Titan8990 |
| 14:12.57 | Titan8990 | |newbie|, did that work? |
| 14:13.19 | |newbie| | yes, you give me a good idea |
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| 14:13.41 | |newbie| | bye bye |
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| 14:17.44 | sfv | i ran dpkg-buildpackage. what should i do next |
| 14:18.15 | yucatan1 | hello guys i have a bind9 server running on my network |
| 14:18.44 | yucatan1 | i wanne hit in my browser something.something.local redirect to a ipadres |
| 14:18.55 | yucatan1 | or redirect to a ipadres:port |
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| 14:19.40 | valdyn | yucatan1: .local is the rendezvous domain, why would you try to mess that up? |
| 14:20.08 | yowlst | MorkBork, anyway, any hosts seems to loss some packets running "ping -f" ... |
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| 14:21.46 | valdyn | yucatan1: .home is free though for bind to use |
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| 14:23.45 | wonderwal | let's say i want logwatch to execute daily, sure i need to use cron, but what's the best way to go about it? |
| 14:24.00 | Titan8990 | sfv, use dpkg -i <deb> to install it |
| 14:24.11 | valdyn | wonderwal: run as which user? |
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| 14:24.27 | wonderwal | any should be ok |
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| 14:25.00 | valdyn | wonderwal: it runs nightly by default btw |
| 14:25.20 | wonderwal | oh great :) |
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| 14:25.51 | valdyn | wonderwal: look at /etc/cron.daily/00logwatch |
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| 14:27.18 | dff_ | is ifconfig not isntalled by default? |
| 14:27.36 | valdyn | dff_: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:27.39 | dff_ | i ah |
| 14:27.40 | dff_ | thanks |
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| 14:38.13 | cusco | hi babilen, what was that file that had soundcard configurations under /etc ? |
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| 14:39.48 | cahoot | cusco: /etc/mdprobe.d/alsa-base or such? |
| 14:40.30 | yucatan1 | valdyn what u mean |
| 14:40.35 | cusco | cahoot: no, I have no such file (alsa-base not installed I guess) |
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| 14:40.49 | cusco | cahoot: there was a file where I could set default soundcard to use |
| 14:40.53 | cusco | pcspeaker was set as -2 |
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| 14:41.05 | cusco | but it is still the main soundcard (for some reason) |
| 14:41.21 | cahoot | cusco: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf here |
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| 14:41.34 | cusco | ah cahoot sorry, ok thanks :p |
| 14:41.50 | *** topic/#debian by themill -> lenny (debian 5.0.3) released /msg dpkg lennyr3 | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | 4.0r8 released /msg dpkg etch | NO FLOOD: /msg dpkg pastebin | /msg bots NOT people | offtopic: #debian-offtopic | channel logs: http://purl.rikers.org/%23debian |
| 14:42.05 | themill | (removing "/msg dpkg rred died" since that seems to be all fixed now) |
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| 14:43.16 | cusco | cahoot: and... sorry to ask but... those are options for the module names, right? |
| 14:43.43 | cusco | how do I know wich module I want to set index 0 ? (lsmod|gre snd shows too many) |
| 14:43.56 | cahoot | cusco: you can add options there or in any file you choose under /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 14:44.21 | cahoot | cusco: depends on the card |
| 14:44.49 | cahoot | cusco: snd-hda-intel f ex |
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| 14:49.58 | cusco | cahoot: sorry yes |
| 14:50.05 | cusco | that would be me |
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| 14:50.18 | dlynes | I'm wondering if my php issue might be something specific to the way Debian's got apache installed |
| 14:50.33 | stuckey | Anyone know how to produce .pdf files from documents that aren't > 9MB in size? |
| 14:50.38 | cahoot | cusco: so you want Options snd-hda-intel index=0 |
| 14:50.47 | themill | stuckey: stop being so vague |
| 14:50.55 | cusco | yep :) thanks |
| 14:50.57 | stuckey | themill: I don't know how I can make that any more specific. |
| 14:51.05 | dlynes | The problem is I can't do su - apache, and so consequently, I'm wondering if I have apache in my sudoers file, if it's not able to do a /usr/sbin/asterisk -rx "sip show peers"? |
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| 14:51.16 | stuckey | themill: I've got a document, that's one piece of paper, and I want to turn it into a pdf file. |
| 14:51.28 | dlynes | When I try to run that using an 'exec()' in php, I just get an empty array back |
| 14:51.30 | stuckey | And I wnat it to be in a size that I could email to someone. |
| 14:51.35 | themill | stuckey: you're scanning things. You could try telling people that. |
| 14:51.41 | cusco | err |
| 14:51.46 | cusco | WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf line 24: ignoring bad line starting with 'options' |
| 14:52.02 | abrotman | stuckey: depends on the source material |
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| 14:52.04 | stuckey | themill: Yes, I'm using a scanner, so I start with a 90MB .tiff file. |
| 14:52.15 | stuckey | I want to go 90MB .tiff file > .pdf I can email to someone. |
| 14:52.21 | abrotman | stuckey: when you convert images to PDF .. they don't get much smaller |
| 14:52.39 | cahoot | make a jpg of the tiff ? |
| 14:52.54 | stuckey | Tried that... I used 75% compression and ended up with a 9MB pdf file. |
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| 14:53.07 | Justin | no.. take a screenshot of the tiff, paste it into a word document, and then email that |
| 14:53.15 | Justin | that is what everyone around here does so clearly it is the best method |
| 14:53.37 | stuckey | That must be an argument from consensus... |
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| 14:53.45 | Justin | stuckey: what is this an image of? text? |
| 14:53.58 | stuckey | Justin: it's a a4 size piece of paper |
| 14:54.06 | cahoot | scanning with unessecary reolution? |
| 14:54.06 | Justin | a blank piece of paper? |
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| 14:54.18 | stuckey | Justin: it's got images and text on it |
| 14:54.21 | stuckey | cahoot: 600 dpi |
| 14:54.25 | themill | stuckey: a blank peice of paper scans to quite a small size. STOP BEING VAGUE and start telling us what you're actually doing. We can't read minds. |
| 14:54.46 | yucatan1 | hello guys i have a bind9 server running on my network |
| 14:54.46 | stuckey | themill: It wouldn't if you scanned it at a very high resolution. |
| 14:54.50 | Justin | stuckey: 600? there you go. 150 probably would have worked fine |
| 14:54.59 | yucatan1 | i wanne hit in my browser something.something.local redirect to a ipadres |
| 14:55.05 | yucatan1 | is this possible how should i do that |
| 14:55.30 | abrotman | stuckey: convert it to a JPG |
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| 14:56.56 | stuckey | Justin: then save it as tiff? |
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| 14:57.23 | Justin | no, jpeg |
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| 14:58.49 | Justin | 600dpi -> 200dpi is 9 times less data, so not counting compression the tiff would be 10M to start |
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| 14:59.52 | stuckey | Justin: then how do I go from .jpg to 2pdf? |
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| 15:00.00 | Justin | stuckey: why does it have to be a pdf? |
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| 15:00.49 | stuckey | Justin: because that is what I'm trying to produce... |
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| 15:01.13 | abrotman | stuckey: you're just trying to mail the image .. is the JPG small enough ? |
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| 15:01.43 | abrotman | and if you tell us this is a B&W document and you scanned it in color .. we get to laugh at you |
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| 15:03.14 | magyar_ | hi is there a way to turn of a headless Vbox with VBoxManage? |
| 15:03.54 | Justin | magyar_: vboxmanage help? |
| 15:04.31 | magyar_ | Justin, nothing there only "startvm" |
| 15:04.37 | abrotman | did you ask #vbox? |
| 15:04.40 | Justin | magyar_: really? you read the whole thing? |
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| 15:05.31 | magyar_ | Justin, oops |
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| 15:06.19 | cusco | I still have doubts how to set my soundcard as default sound device (instead of pc speaker) :/ |
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| 15:06.29 | stefan____ | Is is possible to build a module on the standard debian kernel ? |
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| 15:06.40 | abrotman | depends on the module in question one owuld think |
| 15:06.41 | Justin | cusco: stop loading the pc speaker drivers |
| 15:06.44 | stefan____ | because it complains about config.h not existing (obvioustly) |
| 15:06.57 | cusco | hm.. |
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| 15:07.25 | cahoot | cusco: might be snd-pcsp or pcskr |
| 15:07.29 | stefan____ | abrotman: in short, can I build such modules without a manually compiled kernel ? |
| 15:07.33 | cahoot | err pcspkr |
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| 15:08.04 | Justin | stefan____: apt-caceh search `uname -r` |
| 15:08.07 | abrotman | stefan____: yes, it is possible |
| 15:08.51 | cusco | maybe my problem is diferent, I just checked, alsamixer -c0 opens my hda-intel |
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| 15:09.10 | cusco | but if an application has sound device set as default sound device its wrong |
| 15:09.29 | stefan____ | so where do I get the config.h from ? |
| 15:09.45 | cahoot | cusco: it might be the alsa runs the pcspeaker too |
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| 15:10.00 | stefan____ | abrotman: it's the one in /boot right ? |
| 15:10.12 | abrotman | stefan____: i didn't ask that, Justin did |
| 15:10.15 | cusco | yes snd_pcsp is being loaded |
| 15:10.31 | cusco | and alsamixer -c1 shows pcsp |
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| 15:10.40 | stefan____ | abrotman: no I meant the config file for the running stock kernel |
| 15:11.02 | cusco | so I should edit /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist.conf |
| 15:11.03 | abrotman | stefan____: you mean /boot/config-$(uname -r) ? yes |
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| 15:14.52 | hvnqke_work | I try to set the date on our server. for some reason it constantly reverts to the old setting. I do date -s "the date string" and then it displays the correct date. However, when I type date again, it returns the wrong date again |
| 15:15.29 | magyar_ | Justin, how do i interpret [-nic<1-N> none|null|nat|hostif|intnet] I am puzzled with -nic<1-N> part |
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| 15:16.10 | abrotman | hvnqke_work: what are you trying to set it to? what does it read now? |
| 15:16.21 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 15:16.24 | \amethyst | hvnqke_work: do you have ntpd running? |
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| 15:16.27 | reklama | http://pp.kupujemy.pl/stats/click_ad/fpdk |
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| 15:17.01 | hvnqke_work | http://pastebin.ca/1664969 |
| 15:17.10 | hvnqke_work | \amethyst, I don't know, actually. I'll look |
| 15:17.28 | hvnqke_work | how do I check that? |
| 15:17.40 | abrotman | hvnqke_work: it's resetting by 35 minutes ? |
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| 15:18.08 | asg | hvnqke_work: is your server a xen guest? |
| 15:18.14 | hvnqke_work | asg, it is |
| 15:18.25 | hvnqke_work | \amethyst, ntpd is installed in any case. I don't know if it's running |
| 15:18.31 | asg | hvnqke_work: you need to echo 1 > /proc/sys/xen/independent_wallclock |
| 15:19.17 | hvnqke_work | asg, that did it. thanks |
| 15:19.22 | asg | hvnqke_work: you're welcome |
| 15:21.07 | scream_ | hvnqke_work, maybe you should add that to /etc/sysctl.conf so it persists between reboots |
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| 15:32.57 | rvsjoen | alsaconf is no more ? alsactl init doesnt seem to work, just says Unknown hardware: "HDA-Intel" "Realtek ALC880" "HDA:10ec0880,8086e203,00100800" "0x8086" "0xe203" |
| 15:33.31 | abrotman | rvsjoen: with which kernel ? |
| 15:33.52 | themill | judd pciid 8086:e203 |
| 15:33.53 | judd | themill: [8086:e203] is 'Unknown device' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:e203 |
| 15:34.19 | rvsjoen | 2.6.30-2 |
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| 15:34.41 | themill | rvsjoen: did I grab the right pciid out of that? (check with lspci -nn) |
| 15:34.57 | abrotman | and how old is this motherboard? |
| 15:35.08 | rvsjoen | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:2668] (rev 03) |
| 15:35.21 | themill | judd pciid 8086:2668 |
| 15:35.23 | judd | themill: [8086:2668] is '82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2668 |
| 15:35.24 | themill | I was close :) |
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| 15:35.49 | abrotman | rvsjoen: can you put all of 'lspci -nn' in a pastebin ? |
| 15:35.55 | rvsjoen | sure, one sec |
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| 15:36.22 | rvsjoen | http://dpaste.com/118693/ |
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| 15:36.38 | j_14 | is there no cookie management plugin for iceweasel on Debian? |
| 15:38.07 | themill | j_14: there are loads, just add them in the normal way. Tools ->Add-ons then search for cookie. |
| 15:38.22 | rvsjoen | not sure about the age of the motherboard, but I dont think its that old |
| 15:38.32 | Hydroxide | j_14: I use cookieculler to keep my cookies in line, plus betterprivacy to keep my flash LSOs and other "super-cookie" type things in line |
| 15:38.44 | Hydroxide | j_14: via standard extension system, not packages |
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| 15:41.02 | j_14 | themill, Hydroxide: Thanks, I was looking for one on the repositories. |
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| 15:42.49 | abrotman | rvsjoen: it's not really .. did you get any further ? |
| 15:43.44 | rvsjoen | not yet, google suggested grabbing the driver from realtek (?), but the install scripts bork out when it doesnt find alsaconf, doesn't look very successfull in general |
| 15:45.00 | rvsjoen | even the /proc/asound tree seems ok, at least as far as I can tell |
| 15:45.04 | abrotman | rvsjoen: uname -r ? |
| 15:45.11 | rvsjoen | 2.6.30-2-486 |
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| 15:45.37 | themill | rvsjoen: I'm not seeing anything in that lspci about realtek stuff at all. Odd. |
| 15:46.03 | rvsjoen | i'm guessing alsactl init probed it wrong |
| 15:46.23 | craigevi1 | if its Intel it should just work, if not mdoprobe snd-hda-intel |
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| 15:46.35 | rvsjoen | the modules are already loaded |
| 15:47.05 | craigevi1 | Card Intel 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller driver HDA Intel, just works here |
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| 15:47.51 | abrotman | rvsjoen: update-pciids |
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| 15:48.01 | cahoot | must be circa different 100 device that uses snd-hda-intel |
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| 15:49.02 | MmikeNekud | How do I ask for all packages that depend on certain package? for instance, libapache2-mod-php5 depends on php5-common... now, how would I get all the packages that are dependent of php5-common? |
| 15:49.25 | azeem | MmikeNekud: apt-cache rdepends |
| 15:49.40 | rvsjoen | tried playing a test file with mpg321: http://dpaste.com/118701/ |
| 15:49.45 | MmikeNekud | azeem, thnx! :) |
| 15:50.37 | lunartear | bind9 on lenny doesnt build from source. There seems to be a fix for squeeze but lenny has not been addressed. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=527877 and 528772 The changelog for 9.6.0.dfsg.p1-3 says Build-Depend: libdb-dev (>4.6) |
| 15:50.38 | rvsjoen | abrotman: alsactl init says the same after update-pciids |
| 15:50.46 | abrotman | awesome |
| 15:51.06 | abrotman | rvsjoen: are you actually using esound ? |
| 15:51.22 | rvsjoen | not as far as I know |
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| 15:52.17 | rvsjoen | I probably had enlightment installed at some point though |
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| 15:54.30 | rvsjoen | I uninstalled esound-clients without a problem, esound itself was not installed, esound-common wants to rip apart everything if I try to remove it, gnome, koffice, compiz-gnome, bochs |
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| 15:56.06 | Roland- | hey people I just want you all to know I love JFS |
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| 15:57.23 | rvsjoen | hmm, why would aplay -l say no cards found, while /proc/asound/cards shows a card ? |
| 15:58.09 | rvsjoen | oh, nvm. wrong terminal, aplay -l shows the correct card |
| 15:59.27 | loca|host | i have debian acting as a router gateway server |
| 15:59.39 | loca|host | i want to disconnect all ESTABLISHED connections |
| 15:59.43 | loca|host | how can i do it ? |
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| 16:00.05 | Roland- | using ipforward loca|host ? |
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| 16:00.28 | Justin | loca|host: apt-get install dsniff; tcpkill |
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| 16:10.04 | rvsjoen | ok, now speaker-test seems to work ok, there was a defunct java process hogging the device node |
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| 16:10.12 | rvsjoen | no other sound though |
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| 16:12.23 | rvsjoen | that was simply me being dumb enough not to re-login to all terminals after I added the audio group, it works now :) |
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| 16:15.00 | nyk2005 | I just installed phpsysinfo on a fresh ubuntu server install, but it download the php code instead of executing it! I experiences the same in debian, what's the fix for this again? |
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| 16:15.22 | azeem | nyk2005: which version of Debian? |
| 16:15.32 | rvsjoen | did you install and enable the php module for apache ? |
| 16:15.38 | sparse | Hello, I need to add some firmware files to the initramfs, is there any debian way how to do it with kpkg-initramfs ? |
| 16:15.47 | Titan8990 | did you all miss the part where its a ubuntu question? |
| 16:15.56 | azeem | Titan8990: ? |
| 16:16.04 | abrotman | he said it happens on both |
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| 16:16.17 | Titan8990 | yeah... but he could have tried debian a month ago and its long gone now |
| 16:16.32 | azeem | Titan8990: stable doesn't change so fast you know |
| 16:16.46 | abrotman | azeem: he means he may not have that debian system running anymore |
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| 16:17.05 | Titan8990 | yeah, but why would we show him explain how to get php/apache working on debian if he doesn't have a debian system? |
| 16:17.16 | Titan8990 | what abrotman said |
| 16:17.22 | azeem | Titan8990: how about we don't second-guess for 10 minutes |
| 16:17.22 | abrotman | nyk2005: dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php5 | tail -1 .. which version of php is it ? |
| 16:17.25 | nyk2005 | azeem: sorry its ubuntu (the debian ISOs did boot!), but I had the same issue in debian stable |
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| 16:17.35 | azeem | nyk2005: please ask #ubuntu then |
| 16:17.38 | abrotman | nyk2005: it's likely a browser issue .. please ask #ubuntu |
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| 16:17.41 | nyk2005 | ok |
| 16:18.10 | nyk2005 | abrotman: it's the same in debian...if you first install apache2 and then phpsysinfo, it *always* fail. try it |
| 16:18.14 | abrotman | nyk2005: it's likely a browser issue .. please ask #ubuntu |
| 16:18.25 | nyk2005 | abrotman: as the first two thing to install using aptitude |
| 16:19.12 | Titan8990 | well... you have install the php apache module |
| 16:19.14 | abrotman | nyk2005: Ubuntu is offtopic here, please go to #ubuntu |
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| 16:19.21 | simonrvn | bets it's the doctype and mimetype crap with php and it not getting executed... |
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| 16:19.50 | Titan8990 | bets that he doesn't have the php5 apache module since phpsysinfo does not depend on it for w/e reason |
| 16:20.03 | abrotman | bets he should go to #ubuntu |
| 16:20.18 | nyk2005 | ok! |
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| 16:20.40 | simonrvn | that's one of many reasons why it wouldn't execute ;). and yes, s/he should go to #ubuntu |
| 16:21.14 | sparse | Why everyone says #ubuntu here? |
| 16:21.28 | azeem | sparse: read scrollback |
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| 16:21.35 | abrotman | sparse: do you need the firmware in the initrd ? |
| 16:21.39 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 16:21.39 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 16:22.00 | sparse | abrotman: yes |
| 16:22.08 | abrotman | to load the rest of the filesystems ? |
| 16:22.12 | simonrvn | sparse: it's a channel |
| 16:22.16 | sparse | azeem: I see now, he should go to ubuntu |
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| 16:22.43 | Roland- | debian standars I like that. stable means very old in debian's terms and standard. |
| 16:22.48 | simonrvn | '#ubuntu' you include the # |
| 16:22.48 | sparse | simonrvn: I know, but when reading it, I reminded the onld SPAM sketch of Monty Pythons :-) |
| 16:23.00 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 16:23.24 | sparse | abrotman: do you have any clues? |
| 16:23.34 | rvsjoen | is it usually not a good idea to mirror the boot partition in a raid ? I mean can you really have more than one boot sector anyway ? |
| 16:23.37 | azeem | sparse: did you answer his question? |
| 16:24.10 | Titan8990 | rvsjoen, you should if you want to be able to boot one drive in the case of one disc failure.... |
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| 16:24.35 | rvsjoen | titan8990: yes that is my goal, but I don't see how it would work with multiple boot sectors |
| 16:24.37 | sparse | azeem: no, sorry, I need to use web version of IRC client and I can hardly notice messaqes where I am not quoted. |
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| 16:24.53 | sparse | abrotman: no, I need firmware for network card |
| 16:24.58 | Titan8990 | rvsjoen, you just install grub to the mbr of both drives |
| 16:25.04 | azeem | sparse: why in the initramfs? |
| 16:25.18 | cube | hi, is csh in default debian install ? |
| 16:25.29 | abrotman | default, no, but it's available |
| 16:25.34 | wols | bash is |
| 16:25.35 | simonrvn | no |
| 16:25.40 | cube | thanks |
| 16:25.55 | sparse | azeem: abrotman: I have sompe troubles when trying to do network boot over NFS and while it is quite unusual, I try to make sure that network devices are well running |
| 16:26.02 | rvsjoen | titan8990: anyway, if this is a hardware raid, it wouldn't really matter as the OS would see it as a single disk anyway ? |
| 16:26.02 | cube | do you know any distro in which it is installed by default ? |
| 16:26.13 | Titan8990 | rvsjoen, right |
| 16:26.17 | sparse | cube: why do you need it by default? |
| 16:26.56 | cube | sparse: i don't need it, just want to know if it's still used in any distro |
| 16:27.08 | cube | sparse: by default |
| 16:27.32 | azeem | cube: we don't know about other distros |
| 16:27.35 | sparse | cube: ah, okay, AFAIK in some unix implementations |
| 16:28.11 | Justin | rvsjoen: why wouldn't it work? |
| 16:28.40 | sparse | azeem, abrotman Any clues? |
| 16:28.48 | rvsjoen | justin: no idea really, I thought it would and heard by someone that it wouldn't because you can only have one boot loader |
| 16:29.08 | abrotman | sparse: change it to start networking before NFS ? |
| 16:29.11 | Justin | rvsjoen: how many boot loaders do you need? |
| 16:29.12 | eeg3 | I believe most BSD variants include csh by default. redhat/centos doesn't. |
| 16:29.16 | cube | azeem: you know, ubuntu is out there doing damage :] |
| 16:29.22 | cube | sparse: thanks again |
| 16:29.23 | azeem | cube: huh? |
| 16:29.47 | cube | azeem: just kidding, the other distros thing |
| 16:29.47 | sparse | abrotman: sorry, what do you mean? |
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| 16:30.12 | rvsjoen | justin: the goal was to mirror the system disk, and still being able to boot should either of the disks die |
| 16:30.14 | azeem | sparse: I don't know how to include additional files into the initramfs, sorry, but I guess it is well documented |
| 16:30.31 | rvsjoen | justin: that clearly wouldnt work if only one of the two disks in the mirror could have a mbr |
| 16:30.44 | rvsjoen | justin: if they can, it is not a problem I would think |
| 16:30.48 | otosaxel | hy all |
| 16:30.51 | Justin | rvsjoen: why would only one disk be able to have an mbr? that makes no sense |
| 16:30.52 | otosaxel | i have |
| 16:30.58 | sparse | azeem: I guessed too, so I googled, read man of initramfs tools, but no idea there instead of modules |
| 16:31.18 | otosaxel | question, which is best debian bazed distro for server on weck computer |
| 16:31.27 | sparse | azeem: that is why I ask here |
| 16:31.29 | Titan8990 | rvsjoen, the MBR of a disk is the first 512bytes of a disc |
| 16:31.31 | otosaxel | p2 32 mb. ram SCSI disk |
| 16:31.45 | Titan8990 | rvsjoen, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record |
| 16:31.49 | Justin | otosaxel: 32MB of ram? |
| 16:31.55 | otosaxel | yes |
| 16:32.03 | Justin | otosaxel: throw it out and get a new computer |
| 16:32.13 | ranix | you probably don't want to screw with all 512 bytes |
| 16:32.22 | ranix | generally you use the fist 440 bytes |
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| 16:32.29 | sparse | azeem, abrotman the thing is that some problems with mounting NFS root partition occurs only on one type of machines I administrate, not on any else, so I suspect network card problem here |
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| 16:32.32 | otosaxel | yes i now, but i want to use this computer |
| 16:32.40 | ranix | 440+ is disk-specific information like partition tables |
| 16:32.43 | Kukosk | does debian have some trash ? |
| 16:32.56 | wols | otosaxel: what is the purpose for this to-be-server? |
| 16:32.58 | Kukosk | i removed a file, on server, but the disc is full |
| 16:33.01 | Titan8990 | otosaxel, your options pretty much consist of DSL or puppy linux... ask ##linux |
| 16:33.03 | Titan8990 | bit off-topic here |
| 16:33.05 | sparse | azeem: abrotman I would really appreciate even sources (links, ideas ...) of documentation here |
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| 16:33.15 | azeem | sparse: look, I already said I don't know |
| 16:33.19 | otosaxel | but DSL have a grafik core |
| 16:33.27 | abrotman | sparse: i asked you if NFS is starting before the network |
| 16:33.28 | azeem | if you keep highlighting me, other people will not even look at your problem |
| 16:33.28 | wols | Kukosk: rm doesn't have a "recycle bin" |
| 16:33.29 | otosaxel | and not worked with SCSI |
| 16:33.30 | sparse | azeem: ak, I see |
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| 16:33.44 | Kukosk | i've typed rm /root/dead.leter |
| 16:33.52 | otosaxel | i want to use for small LAMP + SSH and torrents |
| 16:33.53 | Kukosk | it isn't there, but i have full disc |
| 16:34.11 | Titan8990 | otosaxel, you realize you get get a PC 10 times better than that off craigslist for $30? |
| 16:34.16 | ranix | disk |
| 16:34.22 | sparse | abrotman: no, network starts first - NFS root is designed in such a way that kernel booted asks for IP in dhcp (it get's the address - verified) |
| 16:34.28 | wols | and you will continue to have one. ext2 reserves some percent of diskspace which only root can write too when the disk is full otherwise |
| 16:34.37 | wols | that makes sure things like logs and such can still work |
| 16:35.03 | abrotman | sparse: i'm asking because this used to be an issue in debian (thought it might still be) |
| 16:35.25 | otosaxel | yes i wisch but what make with this PC? and i wisch run on that LAMP |
| 16:35.31 | Justin | otosaxel: no |
| 16:35.34 | wols | otosaxel: won't work. torrents alone will need all the RAM. as for LAMP: forget it. not only is the P2 too slow, you need ~128MB for LAMP |
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| 16:35.45 | Justin | p2 is fine, but the ram is not |
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| 16:36.02 | Justin | I have a 75mhz sparc that can run just about anything, but it has 416M of ram :) |
| 16:36.08 | wols | Justin: depends how long you want to wait for a page :) |
| 16:36.35 | otosaxel | for 1 render only? |
| 16:36.39 | Justin | wols: i ran my website on it for a while, it isn't that slow :) |
| 16:36.46 | wols | no. for php and for the DB |
| 16:36.56 | Justin | I was running apache2+mod_python hehe |
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| 16:37.04 | abrotman | i'd rather have the sparc than the PII |
| 16:37.08 | sparse | abrotman: it is really strange, I tried to see what is happening by tcpdump and logs and: It tries to mount nfs partition, there are some packets, mountd reports correct mount, but then installation reports unable to mount it and gets to initramfs shell |
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| 16:37.19 | Kukosk | how to restart debian ? |
| 16:37.23 | abrotman | sparse: so it does have network |
| 16:37.26 | abrotman | Kukosk: reboot |
| 16:37.26 | Kukosk | shutdown -r now ? |
| 16:37.26 | ranix | Kukosk: reboot? |
| 16:37.29 | wols | Justin: I used a P2 class for web dev in lan. it was painful |
| 16:37.30 | Kukosk | yes |
| 16:37.37 | ranix | no I mean the command reboot |
| 16:37.38 | ranix | !reboot |
| 16:37.38 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 16:37.42 | Titan8990 | Kukosk, reboot is the command, and also shutdown -r now |
| 16:37.45 | ranix | !qotd2 |
| 16:37.45 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 16:37.49 | Kukosk | ah, thanks |
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| 16:38.36 | gyyg | I want to write a script to log how much time people are logged into my system for where or how would I get that information? |
| 16:38.38 | hark | bah, i say you can run lamp with that much ram, but for somewhat static web sites |
| 16:38.50 | sparse | abrotman: yes, but I do not know from where and I do not see any else problem (as all other machines boot/install fine). So I suspect it is kernel issue with the single type of machines and try to debug it step-by-step |
| 16:38.53 | abrotman | it ultimately depends how much traffic the site would get |
| 16:39.10 | hark | but use something like nginx or lighttpd instead |
| 16:39.11 | cahoot | gyyg: from last? |
| 16:39.12 | abrotman | sparse: the easy answer is to put in a NIC that doesn't require firmware and test that right ? |
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| 16:40.14 | sparse | abrotman: yes, you are right, I can try |
| 16:40.21 | sparse | abrotman: thanks for now |
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| 16:40.37 | wols | hark: static and the "MP" part of LAMP don't really fit together |
| 16:40.41 | abrotman | sparse: that'd be an important step in debugging before you spend all this time trying to figure out the firmware issue |
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| 16:42.19 | sparse | abrotman: good point |
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| 16:43.40 | hark | wols: hmm right, but you can manage that too with php5-cgi and lighttpd say |
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| 16:45.46 | \amethyst | hark: but then your script has to be re-parsed and everything on each call, which might be enough to counteract any benefits of using lighttpd over, say, apache |
| 16:46.05 | \amethyst | depending on your ratio of static to dynamic content |
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| 16:46.25 | hark | http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/yes-you-can-run-18-static-sites-on-a-64mb-link-1-vps/ |
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| 16:46.38 | hark | it may not be a good choice but it can be done |
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| 16:46.48 | maxagaz_ | how to redirect the output of my x server to the screen of another computer of my network ? |
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| 16:47.17 | rgr | I was recommended to use Ekiga here recently : can anyone here explain the echo test? How do I get it to play back what I said? |
| 16:47.33 | ranix | rgr: for a mic with /dev/dsp? |
| 16:47.37 | ranix | oh ekiga |
| 16:47.38 | ranix | sorry |
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| 16:47.44 | ranix | brain fart |
| 16:47.47 | rgr | :-) |
| 16:48.11 | rgr | amazingly skype now running perfectly but ekiga - not a clue. |
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| 16:48.51 | hark | rgr: you call the number, speak and listen for the echo |
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| 16:50.33 | Decepticon | test |
| 16:50.44 | wooden | received |
| 16:51.26 | rgr | hark: what echo? How can I hear it if I am talking anywy? My mike already "feeds" back to the headphones. Is there no record and play back option? |
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| 16:53.09 | babilen_ | rgr: You might want to disable "mic boost" for the echo test. There should also be a short delay. IIRC not all of the echo sip numbers worked the last time i tried them. |
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| 16:53.22 | hark | rgr: don't know what you mean by that, but the echo test can be done by calling any of the various echo test numbers (like sip:500@ekiga.net) |
| 16:54.02 | babilen | rgr: Some of them let you record a short sentence as well. |
| 16:54.21 | rgr | hark: yes. But as I said I cant hear it if it plays back at the same time : I already have mic fed back to the speakers and headphones. |
| 16:54.22 | ZenWalker | on bluetooth, conceptronic, energy sistem, other? I need work on my debian |
| 16:54.42 | rgr | babilen: ok I'll go look at their directory. |
| 16:55.35 | hark | rgr: don't think it plays back at the same time you speak |
| 16:56.07 | rgr | oh then it doesnt work then. I just tried sip:520@ekiga.net which claims to call you back and nothing at all happens. |
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| 16:56.49 | themill | rgr: it doesn't call you back, it just plays back what you say about 1s after you say it. Providing mic, speakers, levels etc are right at your end! |
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| 16:58.08 | rgr | no. the number I just pasted should call back. Its alright I found the problem. The direct call is broken. You need to create a contact first. |
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| 17:01.19 | ethanol | how does one install a .deb file? |
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| 17:02.05 | flaps | install gdebi then double click it |
| 17:02.07 | Justin | ethanol: what .deb file? |
| 17:02.08 | Titan8990 | dpkg -i |
| 17:02.08 | dpkg | Titan8990: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 17:02.13 | ethanol | ah |
| 17:02.21 | Titan8990 | flaps, yeah, because everyone has gdebi |
| 17:02.38 | flaps | Titan8990: hence "install gdebi"? |
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| 17:04.03 | racecar56 | my laptop's CD drive keeps opening, how can i tell if the system is doing this and it's not something wrong with the drive? |
| 17:04.20 | Titan8990 | flaps, im trying to say that you only have gdebi if you install it |
| 17:04.34 | Titan8990 | flaps, servers won't even have xserver to run gdebi |
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| 17:05.00 | BubbaT | If there is a package I want the source to where do I get it? |
| 17:05.18 | Titan8990 | BubbaT, if its available: apt-get source <package> |
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| 17:08.25 | BubbaT | Titan8990: Thanks. |
| 17:09.12 | careta | my apt is broken because of some stupid adobe flashplugin package, can someone help me recover? |
| 17:09.27 | shots | I'm having problems connecting to outside in my Debian. XP works fine but not Debian. I can ping everywhere except to outside and my networking knowledge is poor. What can I check? |
| 17:10.11 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, default route ; `netstat -rn` |
| 17:10.26 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, maybe /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:10.31 | hark | careta: weren't you able to fix this yesterday? |
| 17:10.39 | careta | no hark |
| 17:10.47 | shotsanditches | How do I set the default route? |
| 17:10.49 | themill | careta: that's pretty useless. /msg dpkg ask ; /msg dpkg doesn't work ; /msg dpkg errors |
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| 17:11.37 | shotsanditches | Was it something like route default 192.168.1.254 gw? |
| 17:11.40 | gyyg | hey, I am looking for a + sign in a string. will this work? if ($hoursdays =~ /+/) |
| 17:11.41 | hark | careta: abrotman's command did not help? what's the error you're getting after running it? |
| 17:11.45 | Zer | Something I've been wondering about /etc/network/interfaces ... when I set netmask, what _exactly_ am I setting? I give it the IP addresses it is allocated, and it does... what with the network mask? |
| 17:12.10 | \amethyst | Zer: that tells it which IP addresses are on the local network |
| 17:12.12 | gyyg | it gives me an error |
| 17:12.29 | lunartear | bind9 on lenny doesnt build from source. There seems to be a fix for squeeze but lenny has not been addressed. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=527877 and 528772 The changelog for 9.6.0.dfsg.p1-3 says Build-Depend: libdb-dev (>4.6) |
| 17:12.29 | Meths | gyyg: + should be escaped. /\+/ |
| 17:12.35 | gyyg | okay. thanks |
| 17:12.57 | Zer | amethyst: But when I am specifying the IP to be used for the Internet it doesn't seem to matter |
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| 17:13.08 | Zer | I mean, I can give it 255.255.255.0, that's the usual, but, it's out to the net |
| 17:13.28 | abrotman | careta: i thought you fixed that last night ? |
| 17:13.32 | Zer | What does it do with the information? |
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| 17:14.00 | careta | no abrotman i wasn't able to install gnash |
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| 17:14.21 | \amethyst | Zer: so let's say your IP is 1.2.3.4 and that's your netmask. That means anything outside 1.2.3.* has to go through a router |
| 17:14.23 | abrotman | bleh .. just go into the dpkg status file and mark it uninstalled |
| 17:14.47 | Zer | Oh I see. It specifies what goes to the gateway then. |
| 17:14.53 | mhymn | how can i create a new sftp user without letting him to even move around other directories except his home? i don't want to set permissions and stuff one by one amnually if possible |
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| 17:15.03 | Zer | That makes sense |
| 17:15.14 | careta | abrotman, can you guide me through that? |
| 17:15.16 | \amethyst | Zer: if you set your netmask too wide, e.g. 255.0.0.0, then try talking to 1.7.11.14 it won't go to the gateway and you probably won't be able to make the connection |
| 17:15.28 | Zer | Suppose I made the netmask 255.255.255.255 |
| 17:15.36 | Zer | Everything would go to the gateway then, correct? |
| 17:15.50 | Zer | I was wondering how this played in with bridges |
| 17:15.52 | shotsanditches | Titan8990: I have default 192.168.1.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 17:15.52 | Zer | For example, |
| 17:15.52 | eeg3 | mhymn: You'll need to set up a chrooted SFTP, theres a guide on howtoforge for Etch |
| 17:16.13 | shotsanditches | Titan8990: and I have a DNS server in resolv.conf |
| 17:16.27 | mhymn | eeg3: thank you, i'll take a look at it |
| 17:16.29 | eeg3 | mhymn: Or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ap-chroot-ssh-env.en.html |
| 17:16.38 | \amethyst | Zer: Hm, probably, but I could see a problem if your ISP put services other than the gateway inside same /24 |
| 17:16.39 | Zer | if I have a number of virtual machines with bridged Ethernet cards, but all really on the same card, will these VMs end up communicating over the network card or will in this case it reroute it to a loopback? |
| 17:17.04 | Zer | amethyst: If the gateway receives something inside the same LAN, it would not just reroute it back in? |
| 17:17.07 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, pastebin the results of `netstat -rn` and ifconfig |
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| 17:17.51 | shotsanditches | Titan8990: I can't, I'm on XP. But I'll try to copy. |
| 17:18.03 | \amethyst | Zer: I would expect at least some of them to log and reject the packet |
| 17:18.08 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, how did you look at the gateway the first time? |
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| 17:18.53 | themill | lunartear: bind9 builds fine here in lenny |
| 17:18.56 | Zer | Hmm. My last question relates to /etc/network/interfaces: Is there any way to get ifconfig to list aliased IPs (eth0:blah)? |
| 17:19.22 | Zer | (it seems to only list the main) |
| 17:19.26 | lunartear | themill: "from source" ? |
| 17:19.36 | asg | Zer: ifconfig -a (if the aliased ones are not active) |
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| 17:20.14 | themill | lunartear: apt-get source bind9 ; apt-get build-dep bind9 ; cd bind9-9.5.1.dfsg.P3 ; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us |
| 17:20.34 | Zer | Huh. That doesn't list them either. Maybe I need to put 'auto' on them. Being aliases I thought it would be automatic |
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| 17:21.50 | shotsanditches | Titan8990: I didn't do anything. I installed Debian and no external connections. netstat -rn gives me 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 and 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.254 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 and ifconfig gives me a valid IP 192.168.1.2 |
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| 17:22.41 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, and .254 is the gateway and you can ping it? |
| 17:22.49 | shotsanditches | Titan8990: yes. |
| 17:22.58 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, but you can't ping 4.2.2.1? |
| 17:22.59 | shotsanditches | And I can ping the modem too. |
| 17:23.05 | shotsanditches | What's that? |
| 17:23.12 | Titan8990 | its a dns server |
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| 17:23.21 | Titan8990 | easy to remember |
| 17:23.36 | shotsanditches | Titan8990: I think I can't but I'll try. |
| 17:24.38 | shotsanditches | Titan8990: I can ping 4.2.2.1 but I can't ping www.google.pt for example. |
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| 17:25.04 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, then you have a dns issue |
| 17:25.22 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, echo -e 'nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 4.2.2.2' > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:25.33 | rgr | gnome-alsamixer does not want to remember the channel checks :-( |
| 17:25.55 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, then ping google |
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| 17:27.19 | stevenbinion | anyone here familiar with setting up the DNS for mx and ns records using Lenny and everydns.com |
| 17:27.52 | rgr | wow, gnome-alsamixer not remembering the show/hide options dates back to 2005. |
| 17:27.58 | lunartear | themill http://nopaste.snit.ch/18628 |
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| 17:28.51 | themill | lunartear: did you install bind9's build-deps? |
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| 17:29.21 | Titan8990 | stevenbinion, you can't have an SMTP server with dynamic dns because of issues with PTR records |
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| 17:29.39 | Titan8990 | stevenbinion, there are work arounds you might find via google |
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| 17:30.12 | shotsanditches | Titan8990: I'm sorry but no luck. I even set chattr +i on resolv.conf and restarted networking. |
| 17:30.33 | stevenbinion | my server has a static IP and using bind9 |
| 17:30.49 | lunartear | themill there's no deps to be installed |
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| 17:31.14 | stevenbinion | I just don't know how bind alone would make my dns settings global |
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| 17:31.17 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, there was no reason to do either one of those thingds |
| 17:31.49 | stevenbinion | and I'm not using dynamic dns, the settings are all static |
| 17:31.52 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, but if it doesn't work even with those nameservers, i suspect something is blocking or filtering dns requests |
| 17:32.02 | shotsanditches | Titan8990: and before doing it, after the redirected echo I tried to ping google and no luck. |
| 17:32.10 | Titan8990 | stevenbinion, i was just checking because I saw that website did dynamic dns |
| 17:32.22 | lunartear | themill its an issue with the configure script finding libdb-4.2. I can get it to compile if i add 4.6 to the configure script. At that point, there's a bunch of warnings about unneccessary links against unused libraries .... hold on i'll get a log |
| 17:32.25 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, redirected echo? |
| 17:32.29 | stevenbinion | they do dynamic too, but they do static which is all I use |
| 17:32.41 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, you really should sshed into this machine so you can copy and paste |
| 17:32.58 | shotsanditches | echo -e 'nameserver ........' > /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 17:33.35 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, pastebin your current resolv.conf |
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| 17:34.00 | tonyd | is it not possible to install debian without a cd? |
| 17:34.08 | Titan8990 | !usb install |
| 17:34.08 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 17:34.14 | shotsanditches | Titan8990: it has what you gave me. nameserver 4.2.2.1 and nameserver 4.2.2.2. on the next line. |
| 17:34.34 | Titan8990 | tonyd, check out the install guide you can also do network install via PXE, or a install froma a chroot |
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| 17:34.53 | Titan8990 | shotsanditches, dig google.com |
| 17:34.59 | tonyd | I tried using unetbootin to install from the hard drive |
| 17:35.12 | themill | lunartear: can you pastebin the output of "dpkg -l \*libdb*| grep ^.i ; aptitude search ~o" for me? |
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| 17:35.17 | tonyd | but the setup program tries to look for a cd? |
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| 17:36.27 | Titan8990 | tonyd, follow one of the methods described in the install guide |
| 17:36.49 | stevenbinion | is that all you had for me Titan8990? that my dns couldn't be dynamic? |
| 17:37.26 | Titan8990 | stevenbinion, yep... If I knew more I would help. I was just throwing that out there so you didn't spend a ton of time getting it to work with dynamic dns |
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| 17:37.28 | tonyd | I don't have internet from the netboot, because it does not see my network cards. Is there a way to install from the hard drive using the cd image without a cd or flash drive install? |
| 17:37.29 | Titan8990 | but that wasn't the case |
| 17:37.38 | stevenbinion | thanks for telling me the obvious anyway |
| 17:38.01 | lunartear | themill http://pastebin.com/d3f24fac8 |
| 17:38.49 | shotsanditches | Titan8990: I think it's working now but just to ping 6 packets to google it took 29482ms |
| 17:38.56 | Titan8990 | stevenbinion, well, the little I do know is that your MX record should point to a name e.g. mail.foobar.com. and the mail.foobar.com. should have an A record pointing to your mail serfver |
| 17:39.57 | stevenbinion | I have my A, MX, NS, and CNAMES all setup on the everydns.com side of things. all pointing to the static ip of my server. |
| 17:40.16 | tonyd | the installer said I cant boot from files on an ntfs partition but I am able to with unetbootin |
| 17:40.17 | Titan8990 | MX should not point to an IP address IIRC |
| 17:40.44 | stevenbinion | only the A record points to the IP |
| 17:40.48 | lunartear | themill: here's the final output i was talking about when i compiled bind9 with the configure script modified to look for libdb-4.6 http://pastebin.com/d33b43298 |
| 17:40.51 | stevenbinion | the MX points to the A record |
| 17:41.07 | Titan8990 | stevenbinion, yeah, that should be right |
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| 17:41.29 | Titan8990 | stevenbinion, DNS can take up to a day to propagate |
| 17:41.41 | rgr | does one need a dmix device in alsa config now or not for multi program access? |
| 17:41.50 | valdyn | stevenbinion: we can tell if things are ok easier if you paste the output of "dig yourdomain.tld" |
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| 17:42.07 | stevenbinion | I've always told my friend allow for 24 to 48 hours for dns propigation |
| 17:42.13 | Titan8990 | or dig -t MX yourdomain.tld |
| 17:42.27 | stevenbinion | thank you valdyn |
| 17:42.35 | Titan8990 | stevenbinion, yep thats standard but I have had working lookups after 10min |
| 17:42.48 | valdyn | less than that usually |
| 17:42.50 | stevenbinion | oh I know it's not ok for the mx |
| 17:42.56 | valdyn | but "up to one day" |
| 17:43.14 | asg | stevenbinion: either way, the output of Titan8990's command will show you what the TTL is. |
| 17:43.53 | stevenbinion | allow me a moment to get the info and drop it in pastebin |
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| 17:44.28 | lunartear | themill, fyi, this is a recent upgrade from Etch to Lenny if it matters |
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| 17:47.33 | orion_x11 | is there any problem if I mix debian with sidux repos? The reason is that I want a package called "ceni" which is in sidux |
| 17:47.53 | valdyn | orion_x11: yes |
| 17:47.56 | orion_x11 | And that is better than wicd |
| 17:47.57 | asg | orion_x11: you will generally experience pain and heartache |
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| 17:48.12 | stevenbinion | here are my dig results valdyn http://pastebin.com/m22fd3db |
| 17:48.56 | orion_x11 | So, why is not "ceni" in debian? |
| 17:49.08 | valdyn | stevenbinion: do you see your own nameserver below the AUTHORITY SECTION ? |
| 17:49.23 | asg | :judd versions ceni |
| 17:49.26 | asg | eep |
| 17:49.30 | asg | !judd versions ceni |
| 17:49.30 | dpkg | asg, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 17:49.53 | asg | judd versions ceni |
| 17:49.53 | judd | asg: ceni -- |
| 17:50.01 | asg | should go back to bed |
| 17:50.17 | stevenbinion | ns1.everydns.net is the nameserver that I use. the A record there would point to my server |
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| 17:51.09 | Titan8990 | asg, ceni is specific to sidux |
| 17:51.11 | tonyd | how do you install debian from the installer main menu? all I see it detect and mount cd-rom shell quit, a few other things, all I want to do is install from the files on my hard drive. is there a different version of the install? |
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| 17:51.35 | Titan8990 | tonyd, if thats what you want to do you should be using debootstrap |
| 17:51.40 | themill | lunartear: given that the package seems to build fine in a clean chroot but not on your machine, it's likely to be due to stray packages on your machine. Normally, the Build-conflicts would sort that out, but it's possible that they build-conflicts aren't quite enough. Try uninstalling libdb4.2 and that might help. BTW all of the packages you have in the output of "aptitude search ~o" are packages that aren't in any repo fro your sources.list. Some |
| 17:51.42 | themill | are installed by dpkg -i, most are left over from etch. |
| 17:51.45 | Titan8990 | !tell tonyd about debootstrap |
| 17:51.47 | valdyn | stevenbinion: show the same for "dig -t mx mmoutpost.com @ns1.everydns.net" |
| 17:51.58 | stevenbinion | ok |
| 17:52.32 | asg | Titan8990: ah, thanks for the HUP. |
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| 17:52.46 | lunartear | themill nice to know, thanks I'll see if i can purge them out and try again |
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| 17:53.41 | stevenbinion | here it is valdyn http://pastebin.com/m1ec0db71 |
| 17:53.54 | themill | lunartear: removing libdb4.2 seems to be sufficient to get it to build (or more precisely, installing it cause the build to fail now!) |
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| 17:54.24 | valdyn | stevenbinion: so everydns itself does not have the entries you suppposedly entered at everydns.com |
| 17:54.26 | lunartear | themill, there an easy way I can check all the packages that are returned from "aptitude search ~o" to see what other packages may be depending on them? |
| 17:55.19 | valdyn | stevenbinion: just wait and / or verify you entered everything and hit submit or whatever |
| 17:55.27 | themill | lunartear: nothing you have installed from debian should still depend on them, unless it is also in that list. Things you compiled yourself might depend on them, but there's no way of apt knowing that. |
| 17:55.32 | stevenbinion | let me get a snapshot of my settings. |
| 17:55.35 | valdyn | stevenbinion: you cant fix everydns.net itself |
| 17:55.52 | stevenbinion | I know. but I can change my records |
| 17:56.00 | lunartear | themill alright thanks |
| 17:56.10 | themill | lunartear: no worries. have fun with it |
| 17:56.11 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 17:56.22 | valdyn | stevenbinion: theres no records... |
| 17:56.40 | valdyn | stevenbinion: acept the one where eveydns.net claims authority over mmoutpost.com |
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| 17:57.14 | paissad-hp | i would like to start automatically x11vnc on my system, , i just add "x11vnc --options" to /etc/rc.local ??? |
| 17:57.16 | orion_x11 | How can I suggest to add "ceni" in debian repos? |
| 17:57.18 | lunartear | themill libdb4.2 doesnt show up in that list |
| 17:57.25 | lunartear | themill only 4.3 and 4.4 |
| 17:58.10 | Titan8990 | orion_x11, i believe there is a package request feature on the bug tracking system |
| 17:58.11 | asg | stevenbinion: dig @69.162.115.105 -t mx mmoutpost.com seems to show your nameserver is working. It would appear that everydns.net has not delegated mmoutpost.com to your nameserver. |
| 17:58.19 | valdyn | paissad-hp: that would be stupid, running X as root |
| 17:58.41 | paissad-hp | valdyn, no , i want that program to run as simple user ! |
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| 17:58.49 | themill | lunartear: libdb4.2 is still in lenny but 4.3 and 4.4 are not. It's just that bind9 really wants libdb4.6 installed not the 4.2 version when it's compiling. |
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| 17:58.58 | Gratz474_ | can i easily get qmail on debian |
| 17:58.59 | valdyn | paissad-hp: you want that one to be started when you log into your X locally |
| 17:59.04 | Gratz474_ | looks like there is no real package for it |
| 17:59.07 | valdyn | paissad-hp: because that what x11vnc does iirc |
| 17:59.18 | Titan8990 | Gratz474_, the major question that is... why? |
| 17:59.18 | valdyn | paissad-hp: namely serve your *local* display over remote |
| 17:59.19 | orion_x11 | Titan8990, Do you mean that someone else has already suggest to add it? |
| 17:59.28 | themill | dpkg: tell Gratz474_ about qmail |
| 17:59.31 | Titan8990 | orion_x11, no, im saying that is where you can do it |
| 17:59.32 | Gratz474_ | Titan8990, what else is there to use ? |
| 17:59.43 | lunartear | themill so what about all those warnings i posted to you at http://pastebin.com/d33b43298 |
| 17:59.51 | Gratz474_ | ok so whats a good alternative ? |
| 17:59.51 | valdyn | paissad-hp: are you using gnome? |
| 17:59.59 | paissad-hp | valdyn, xfce |
| 18:00.00 | Titan8990 | Gratz474_, thats not old and *should* be dead? exim4 and postfix... I would even take sendmail over qmail |
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| 18:00.12 | Gratz474_ | oh really? |
| 18:00.15 | Gratz474_ | Titan8990, how about dns wise? |
| 18:00.17 | Titan8990 | Gratz474_, last I had checked sendmail was still considerably the most popular |
| 18:00.18 | themill | Gratz474_: most here use exim4 or postfix |
| 18:00.33 | Gratz474_ | i thought postfix was not a mta? |
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| 18:00.38 | asg | it is |
| 18:00.41 | valdyn | paissad-hp: you can put x11vnc & into ~/.xsession |
| 18:00.41 | Gratz474_ | just for pop3 etc |
| 18:00.59 | asg | Gratz474_: you are thinking of courier, though it also has an mta component |
| 18:01.09 | valdyn | sendmail popular? wtf |
| 18:01.13 | Gratz474_ | yes i am thinking of courier |
| 18:01.14 | orion_x11 | Titan8990, I do not have the experience of suggesting packages. Point me the link, please |
| 18:01.24 | Titan8990 | !tell orion_x11 about bts |
| 18:01.40 | paissad-hp | valdyn, ok, i see |
| 18:01.49 | Gratz474_ | postfix sound good ? |
| 18:02.15 | stevenbinion | valdyn: could you look at my record entries here? http://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn219/stevenbinion/mmoutpost/dns.png |
| 18:02.18 | valdyn | Gratz474_: why are you changing the default at all? |
| 18:02.28 | Gratz474_ | default? |
| 18:02.31 | themill | lunartear: just warnings about dependencies (I'm not sure if they're false positives or real) and not to be worried about |
| 18:02.40 | Gratz474_ | valdyn, there is no mail server installed right now |
| 18:02.47 | Titan8990 | valdyn, yep, IIRC 75%+ of SMTP servers on the internet were running sendmail at one time, will see if i can find up-to-date statistics |
| 18:02.49 | lunartear | themill alright |
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| 18:03.31 | valdyn | stevenbinion: thats so reversed |
| 18:03.32 | wols | Gratz474_: kinda hard to believe. there always is one unless you take big steps to make it not so |
| 18:03.39 | valdyn | stevenbinion: keep the cname and a record |
| 18:03.41 | Gratz474_ | wols, oh? |
| 18:03.48 | Gratz474_ | wols, i just installed a debian base nothing more |
| 18:03.56 | wols | which means you have a MTA |
| 18:04.00 | Gratz474_ | oh |
| 18:04.02 | Gratz474_ | which one? |
| 18:04.10 | wols | exim |
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| 18:04.20 | valdyn | stevenbinion: keep at least one ns record, for example mmoutpost.com |
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| 18:04.23 | Gratz474_ | how can i see if its running? i dont see it in the process list |
| 18:04.28 | valdyn | stevenbinion: all your ns records are nonsense |
| 18:04.29 | Titan8990 | valdyn, http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/sysadmin/2007/01/05/fingerprinting-mail-servers.html |
| 18:04.36 | stevenbinion | ok |
| 18:04.56 | wols | Gratz474_: are you root? do you use the proper ps flags? |
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| 18:05.02 | Gratz474_ | actually i see it |
| 18:05.05 | Gratz474_ | hmmm i am deub |
| 18:05.06 | Gratz474_ | dumb |
| 18:05.17 | Gratz474_ | guess i have to set it up then |
| 18:05.19 | wols | you also have a misconfigured enter key. better fix it |
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| 18:05.43 | valdyn | Titan8990: most postfix users dont have a domain at all |
| 18:06.07 | valdyn | Titan8990: thats likely more computers than the whole sample size |
| 18:06.24 | stevenbinion | valdyn: ok, just cnames and A record left |
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| 18:07.16 | valdyn | stevenbinion: the 2 ns records should be like "mmoutpost.com mx mmoutpost.com 10" |
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| 18:07.31 | Gratz474_ | wols, might also sound stupid, but when that is running will any email be sent? or do i have to set it up per domain or will anything i send through go? |
| 18:07.37 | valdyn | stevenbinion: the other one pointing to ns1.mmoutpost.com ( pointing to = right side ) |
| 18:08.06 | valdyn | stevenbinion: if you want to use ns1.mmoutpost.com then it should get another A record ( even if the ip is the same as mmoutpost.com ) |
| 18:08.32 | wols | Gratz474_: anything you send via your localhost will go through. of course almost none of your mails get to the recipient then since almost everyone filters the dialup ip ranges |
| 18:08.33 | stevenbinion | I can't change the way everydns.com pages display the info |
| 18:08.43 | stevenbinion | ahh |
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| 18:08.53 | valdyn | stevenbinion: and obviouls that line would look like: "mmountpost.com MX ns1.mmountpost.com 10" |
| 18:09.14 | stevenbinion | ok got ya |
| 18:09.16 | Gratz474_ | wols, so to get outisde the local host what should i really do here? |
| 18:09.38 | stevenbinion | so maybe an A record for NS1 and NS2 |
| 18:09.44 | valdyn | stevenbinion: yea |
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| 18:10.04 | cusco | I got sort of a problem.. |
| 18:10.09 | valdyn | stevenbinion: your ns1* lines assign a nameserver for *each* ns1, not multiple nameservers for mmoutpost.com |
| 18:10.22 | valdyn | stevenbinion: nsX lines even |
| 18:10.37 | cusco | fonts seem to be too small... I changed the fonts in the gnome control center and gdit and so on but some times there are still very small font sizes |
| 18:10.41 | cusco | what am I missing?= |
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| 18:10.48 | wols | Gratz474_: use a smarthost aka smtp relay |
| 18:11.03 | abrotman | careta: did you get it ? |
| 18:11.29 | Gratz474_ | wols, yea i am looking for docs on this stuf, can't find much just old things from 05 |
| 18:11.59 | careta | no not yet, im searching for solutions at ubuntu forums and bugs apparently there are lots of people with the same error |
| 18:12.06 | stevenbinion | I think that should help now thanks Valdyn. |
| 18:12.22 | stevenbinion | at least get me working in the right direction |
| 18:12.30 | lunartear | themill are you familiar with deborphan? |
| 18:12.41 | valdyn | stevenbinion: the thing with another A records is that its a requirement for .org for example |
| 18:12.49 | valdyn | stevenbinion: i have no idea about .com |
| 18:13.08 | valdyn | stevenbinion: and read the box to the right bottom |
| 18:13.24 | valdyn | stevenbinion: thats telling ou to add 4 nsX on the *right* side |
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| 18:13.48 | valdyn | stevenbinion: gues that box is why you added those 4 nsX , just reversed |
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| 18:14.47 | stevenbinion | actually valdyn that info is for my registrare's page. to make sure my domain points to everydns |
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| 18:15.42 | ranix | careta: ubuntu forums? |
| 18:15.45 | stevenbinion | I blindly added the 4 NS with my best guess |
| 18:15.56 | Titan8990 | valdyn, well, yesterday I was putting email server software into job search keywords |
| 18:15.57 | stevenbinion | because I needed nameservers |
| 18:16.02 | careta | ranix, yes |
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| 18:16.25 | Titan8990 | valdyn, in order of popularity on hitting keywords it was pretty much: sendmail, postfix, qmail, and 0 results for exim on dice.com |
| 18:16.41 | ranix | careta: don't use ubuntu packages in debian! |
| 18:16.50 | valdyn | Titan8990: sendmail is also a synonym for all of them |
| 18:16.54 | ranix | hang on I am inspecting your pastebin |
| 18:16.56 | Titan8990 | valdyn, and of course I spent the most time learning exim |
| 18:17.17 | Titan8990 | valdyn, yeah, I could see that as atleast exim functions as a directo drop-in replacement |
| 18:17.19 | careta | ranix, too late, my apt is broken because of that |
| 18:17.31 | Titan8990 | valdyn, our email servers at my current job are sendmail though |
| 18:18.03 | lunartear | themill: http://pastebin.com/d7f530732 <-- output from deborphan -da |
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| 18:25.25 | ranix | careta: try this: wget http://unetixs.dyndns.org/flash.patch -O- | sudo patch /var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplugin-installer.prerm |
| 18:25.43 | ranix | careta: only do this if you trust me to not fry your system |
| 18:25.49 | careta | ranix, abrotman, just solved it with a similar patch, thank you |
| 18:25.54 | ranix | oh |
| 18:25.55 | ranix | ok |
| 18:26.11 | careta | from now on i won't rely on adobe's debs, i will install flash by hand |
| 18:26.34 | tonyd | The debian netinstall is freezing the the detect network hardware, install missing firmware from removeable device. any ideas of how to correct this? |
| 18:26.43 | ranix | that one wasn't adobe's fault really, more the fault of ubuntu's sloppy package maintenance |
| 18:26.50 | ranix | and you for downloading ubuntu debs |
| 18:27.04 | themill | lunartear: never use deborphan myself. aptitude does all that for me anyway. |
| 18:27.24 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:29.01 | tonyd | evenin wildc4rd |
| 18:29.36 | tonyd | The debian netinstall is freezing the the detect network hardware, install missing firmware from removeable device. any ideas of how to correct this? |
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| 18:29.46 | careta | ranix, if i install through aptitude it just doesnt work, so who am I to blame, i just want flash to work |
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| 18:30.01 | ranix | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree from contrib |
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| 18:30.08 | ranix | judd: versions flashplugin-nonfree |
| 18:30.08 | judd | ranix: flashplugin-nonfree -- etch-backports/contrib: 1:1.4~bpo40+1 lenny-backports/contrib: 1:2.5~bpo50+1 sid/contrib: 1:2.8 squeeze/contrib: 1:2.8 |
| 18:30.27 | ranix | or aptitude, use your weapon of choice |
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| 18:30.48 | themill | needs bpo or dmm if you're using stable. |
| 18:31.06 | ranix | I suggest bpo for flash |
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| 18:31.58 | careta | whats bpo? im on testing |
| 18:32.02 | ranix | !bpo |
| 18:32.02 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 18:32.13 | ranix | you don't need it if you're running squeeze |
| 18:32.23 | careta | oh ok thanks. i install the package and everything is ok now |
| 18:32.36 | ranix | glad to help |
| 18:32.47 | tonyd | okay, where can I go to GET help? |
| 18:32.54 | ranix | you won't have problems like that for much longer once you learn the Debian Way of doing things |
| 18:33.04 | Titan8990 | tonyd, no luck with debootstrap installation? |
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| 18:34.32 | tonyd | none. I got the netinstall to run, and when it detects my network card it tells me I need a nonfree firmware. I downloaded it and put it on my flash drive like it said, even extracted it too just in case, and it freezes there trying to find the firmware on the flash drive. |
| 18:34.35 | tonyd | can |
| 18:34.49 | tonyd | can I load it some other way? |
| 18:35.02 | tonyd | change some files? a command line? something? |
| 18:35.22 | tonyd | I can't do netinstall without a network card! |
| 18:35.26 | ranix | tonyd: I suggest cancelling the detection of your network card and getting networking up postinst |
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| 18:35.49 | ranix | tonyd: you have an option to NOT look for the firmware, right? |
| 18:35.54 | tonyd | will it do a netinstall without a network card? |
| 18:36.00 | tonyd | yes I do have that option |
| 18:36.14 | ranix | tonyd: absolutely. There will be a section where it runs something called "dselect" |
| 18:36.34 | ranix | tonyd: by default, "base system" and "Desktop" will be selected |
| 18:36.37 | themill | (tasksel!) |
| 18:36.39 | ranix | tonyd: deselect them |
| 18:36.41 | ranix | sorry! |
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| 18:37.05 | ranix | tonyd: then proceed as normal. Honestly, when performing a netinst from scratch, you should do this anyway |
| 18:37.26 | ranix | tonyd: then you will be left with a scratch, full, Debian installation after reboot |
| 18:37.39 | ranix | tonyd: you can then manually configure your network, which we can assist with |
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| 18:38.56 | tonyd | okay, so how will it install if the network card don't work? I am a bit confused lol |
| 18:39.13 | ranix | tonyd: everything you need for a base system is already on the netinst image |
| 18:39.14 | themill | tonyd: everything for a basic install is already on the netinst |
| 18:39.17 | tonyd | I thought the net install had to download files from the internet |
| 18:39.22 | tonyd | oh. |
| 18:39.24 | tonyd | okay! |
| 18:39.32 | ranix | it's kind of a misnomer |
| 18:39.44 | en1gma | i have a intel motherboard with "VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller" what do i look for in synaptic to update this driver |
| 18:39.51 | en1gma | firefox is extremely slow |
| 18:39.57 | ranix | en1gma: tell me something I don't know |
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| 18:40.04 | en1gma | lol |
| 18:40.14 | azeem | en1gma: why do you think it's the graphic driver? |
| 18:40.23 | hark | en1gma: just make sure you have "xorg" installed |
| 18:40.28 | en1gma | it is |
| 18:40.32 | jpinx-eeepc | en1gma: there are alternative incarnations of firefox |
| 18:40.51 | ranix | on the 865g I personally use fbdev |
| 18:40.51 | en1gma | the reason i think its the graphics driver is because its 100x faster in vista and vista is crap |
| 18:41.05 | azeem | en1gma: I don't think that's a good reason |
| 18:41.30 | hark | en1gma: you can try EXA if you're using XAA |
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| 18:41.38 | en1gma | yea |
| 18:41.45 | en1gma | im not sure what XAA is |
| 18:41.54 | macrobat | en1gma: do you use the "intel" driver |
| 18:41.55 | en1gma | and i dont know how to switch to fbdev either |
| 18:42.34 | en1gma | im at the intel site and it saying about compiling it yourself but it also says many distros pre-build it also |
| 18:42.35 | macrobat | exa and xaa is settings you can do in xorg.conf |
| 18:42.45 | ranix | !be intel barbie |
| 18:42.45 | dpkg | But intel is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
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| 18:42.54 | en1gma | so i figure debian has to have it pre-built dont they |
| 18:43.17 | azeem | en1gma: what is "it" |
| 18:43.18 | hark | en1gma: pastebin your xorg log |
| 18:43.27 | ranix | I believe the intel graphics driver supports dri and should be quite sprightly |
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| 18:44.17 | en1gma | hark where is it located |
| 18:44.22 | en1gma | i looked in /etc/X11 |
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| 18:44.40 | macrobat | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 18:44.55 | ranix | !tell en1gma -about pastebinit |
| 18:44.55 | en1gma | oh ok |
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| 18:45.42 | Spec | Sorry if I ask in ignorance...but...when is lenny going to become oldstable? Next month, right? |
| 18:45.52 | azeem | Spec: no |
| 18:46.17 | en1gma | hark http://pastebin.ca/1665232 |
| 18:46.21 | Spec | I thought etch was losing support end o' december, lenny was going to oldstable, and squeezy's gonna become stable |
| 18:46.28 | Spec | Has the release date not been set in stone? |
| 18:46.31 | azeem | Spec: you were wrong |
| 18:46.34 | Spec | azeem: yay |
| 18:46.42 | Spec | azeem: so, is there some sort of tentative schedule? |
| 18:46.47 | azeem | in any case, nobody ever talked about a Squeeze release in December |
| 18:46.55 | abrotman | ubuntu did :) |
| 18:46.55 | Spec | hmm, firedrill. |
| 18:46.56 | Spec | :( |
| 18:46.58 | azeem | the only thing on the table was a Squeeze freeze in December |
| 18:47.10 | Spec | azeem: alright, so, when does etch lose security support? |
| 18:47.10 | azeem | with a Squeeze release sometime next year |
| 18:47.18 | Spec | ack, i should leave. i'll be back after firedrilly |
| 18:47.20 | azeem | Spec: that has nothing to do with squeeze, you know |
| 18:47.24 | Spec | azeem: oki |
| 18:47.32 | azeem | Spec: probably q1/2010 |
| 18:48.23 | Ben_90 | can someone tell me why my screen savers keep messing up? |
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| 18:49.39 | Ben_90 | azeem: why would my openGL screensavers glitch out? |
| 18:49.52 | hark | en1gma: looks ok, you're using exa. how is firefox slow exactly? |
| 18:50.30 | azeem | Ben_90: why do you ask me? |
| 18:50.32 | en1gma | hark just opening up like a 3rd tabs opens slows and switching tabs is also slow |
| 18:50.40 | en1gma | minimizing is real slow also |
| 18:50.46 | en1gma | and maximizing too |
| 18:50.53 | Ben_90 | azeem: they look like a tv that has its horizontal hold off balance |
| 18:50.53 | azeem | only firefox? |
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| 18:51.37 | en1gma | it dont do it smoothly it shows like a square outline of the web browser then another smaller one and then another smaller one then it minimizes finally |
| 18:51.47 | Ben_90 | i'm getting angry. |
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| 18:51.59 | en1gma | so it shows like 3-4 different size outlines as firefox closes |
| 18:52.09 | jpinx-eeepc | en1gma: not enough hardware? |
| 18:52.14 | en1gma | 2gig ram |
| 18:52.16 | BubbaT_ | I can't install network-manager-kde. When i do apt-get install... I get the foillowing message: |
| 18:52.25 | jpinx-eeepc | en1gma: cpu speed? |
| 18:52.28 | BubbaT_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 18:52.28 | BubbaT_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:52.32 | en1gma | 2.2ghz |
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| 18:52.46 | en1gma | i mean its fine in vista....and its a resource hog |
| 18:52.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !tel BubbaT_ about paste |
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| 18:52.59 | en1gma | you can tell its a vcard driver problem |
| 18:53.12 | en1gma | or something wrong with the desktop effects |
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| 18:53.53 | en1gma | how do i stop desktop effects |
| 18:54.05 | ranix | en1gma: shhhh |
| 18:54.14 | ranix | en1gma: stop eating your halloween candy |
| 18:54.15 | en1gma | i forgot to say when im in vista i have settings set to classic and optimize for perf |
| 18:54.19 | ranix | en1gma: you will ruin your dinner |
| 18:54.22 | en1gma | :) |
| 18:54.36 | en1gma | i want basic effects in debian....searching |
| 18:54.44 | Ben_90 | en1gma: can you help me? |
| 18:54.45 | ranix | !window manager |
| 18:54.45 | dpkg | [window manager] a special class of X applications which decorates and manages windows for the X server. To list available window managers in your system, run "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager". Not to be confused with a desktop environment such as <GNOME> or <KDE>. To set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". For a guide to available window managers, see http://xwinman.org/ |
| 18:54.52 | hark | en1gma: if you're on gnome, do a metacity --replace |
| 18:54.54 | orion_x11 | Any problem if I add mepis repos in my source.list? > deb http://teharris.net/mepiscr/repo/ mepis8cr main non-free |
| 18:55.03 | en1gma | yea im on gnmome |
| 18:55.22 | hark | orion_x11: we can't say |
| 18:55.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben_90: my screensaver always screws up - I turned it off ;) |
| 18:55.39 | azeem | en1gma: do you run compiz? |
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| 18:55.55 | BubbaT_ | en1gma, It's a checkmark on the first page of system-settings. |
| 18:55.58 | en1gma | i have on my 9800gtx computer. |
| 18:56.07 | en1gma | ok checking |
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| 18:56.19 | BubbaT_ | Sorry system-setting->desktops |
| 18:56.37 | en1gma | trying to find it |
| 18:56.39 | paissad-hp | valdyn, i add x11vnc to ~.xsession, but it does not start |
| 18:56.47 | nse | Hello everyone. Is mounting the root dir and the home dir on not the same hard disk a problem? |
| 18:57.11 | jpinx-eeepc | nse: shouldn't be |
| 18:57.12 | paissad-hp | valdyn, pastebinit -i ~/.xsession |
| 18:57.12 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f66f04374 |
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| 18:58.00 | Ben_90 | jpinx-eeepc: my graphics chipset is an old intel 815 |
| 18:58.05 | en1gma | i only see a System>preference>appearance |
| 18:58.14 | en1gma | i only see a System>preference>screen resolution |
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| 18:58.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben_90: choose a lighter weight saver or turn it off |
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| 18:58.48 | azeem | en1gma: what are you looking? |
| 18:58.52 | azeem | +for |
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| 18:58.55 | Ben_90 | jpinx-eeepc: why don't we go into PM mode? |
| 18:59.06 | azeem | Ben_90: that's not welcome here |
| 18:59.08 | en1gma | to turn off desktop effects |
| 18:59.14 | en1gma | i want it plane jane |
| 18:59.18 | azeem | en1gma: there's no GUI for that |
| 18:59.28 | azeem | en1gma: what does "ps aux | grep metacity" say? |
| 18:59.30 | ranix | !tell en1gma -about grounding |
| 18:59.33 | en1gma | they were having me check for compiz also |
| 18:59.41 | BubbaT_ | enigma: you are running kde? |
| 18:59.41 | azeem | who is "they"? |
| 18:59.47 | azeem | 19:55 < en1gma> yea im on gnmome |
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| 19:00.04 | nse | jpinx-eeepc: I would like to be efficient in disk usage. |
| 19:00.06 | BubbaT_ | Oh sorry. |
| 19:00.18 | en1gma | Linux-PC:/home/tim# ps aux | grep metacity |
| 19:00.18 | en1gma | tim 2857 0.0 0.6 20528 11756 ? S 09:43 0:07 /usr/bin/metacity --sm-client-id=default0 |
| 19:00.24 | orion_x11 | My touch pad is working (drive synaptics), but tapping is not. I have tried to fix it for hours, but no lucky here is it a bug? |
| 19:00.25 | ranix | en1gma: can you do a cat /proc/version while you're at it |
| 19:00.25 | azeem | en1gma: so no compiz |
| 19:00.45 | en1gma | Linux version 2.6.26-2-686 (Debian 2.6.26-19lenny2) (dannf@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.3 20080704 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-25)) #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 |
| 19:00.48 | twiggz | http://www.zianet.com/downsouth/terminatorrocks.png |
| 19:00.52 | hark | orion_x11: which version of debian? |
| 19:00.54 | twiggz | I love this damn terminal. |
| 19:01.15 | orion_x11 | hark, squeeze |
| 19:01.18 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben_90: don't pm me! |
| 19:01.27 | Ben_90 | jpinx-eeepc: sorry |
| 19:01.38 | cusco | hi |
| 19:01.52 | en1gma | i guess ill just live with it |
| 19:01.53 | en1gma | :) |
| 19:01.57 | cusco | fonts seem to be too small... I changed the fonts in the gnome control center and gdit and so on but some times there are still very small font sizes |
| 19:01.59 | en1gma | but it sure feels slow |
| 19:01.59 | Ben_90 | jpinx-eeepc : when i ran windows my opengl worked great. |
| 19:02.17 | cusco | what am I missing? |
| 19:02.21 | hark | orion_x11: was it working before? |
| 19:02.21 | azeem | Ben_90: if it's not just about OpenGL screensavers, maybe you should voice that |
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| 19:02.30 | azeem | otherwise, not many people will care |
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| 19:02.38 | orion_x11 | hark, yes it was |
| 19:02.42 | Ben_90 | azeem: to wo exactly? |
| 19:02.45 | azeem | wo |
| 19:02.46 | Ben_90 | who* |
| 19:02.46 | azeem | ? |
| 19:02.51 | hark | orion_x11: do you run gnome? |
| 19:02.52 | azeem | to the channel, of course |
| 19:03.01 | orion_x11 | hark, yes I do |
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| 19:03.08 | Ben_90 | azeem: that's where i'm at right now. |
| 19:03.11 | orion_x11 | hark, I am in gnome now |
| 19:03.14 | azeem | ? |
| 19:03.24 | azeem | Ben_90: so what is your problem? |
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| 19:03.57 | hark | orion_x11: open gnome-mouse-properties and the touchpad tab |
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| 19:04.40 | Ben_90 | azeem: when i run my OpenGL Screen Savers the picture of the screensaver is scrambled but the rest of the picture is fine. |
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| 19:04.47 | azeem | Ben_90: right |
| 19:04.59 | hark | orion_x11: make sure that the enable clicks foo is checked |
| 19:05.03 | Ben_90 | azeem: why is that happening? |
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| 19:05.19 | azeem | Ben_90: I don't know, just disable the OpenGL screensavers if it bothers you |
| 19:05.38 | Ben_90 | azeem: but i want to use OpenGL |
| 19:06.00 | azeem | it's just a screensaver |
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| 19:06.13 | Ben_90 | azeem: i like them tho. |
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| 19:06.18 | azeem | *shrug* |
| 19:06.25 | orion_x11 | hark, could you tell me how to open it from the terminal? |
| 19:06.50 | Ben_90 | azeem: *Screams bloody murder* |
| 19:06.59 | ranix | calm down Ben_90 |
| 19:07.12 | orion_x11 | hark, because my interface is not in English just now |
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| 19:07.17 | Ben_90 | ranix: can you help me please? |
| 19:07.32 | azeem | Ben_90: ask the channel, not individuals, please |
| 19:07.48 | azeem | but as I said, not many people will care about your screensaver |
| 19:07.52 | Ben_90 | azeem: how do i ask the channel something? |
| 19:08.00 | ranix | lol |
| 19:08.04 | azeem | Ben_90: you don't prepend your question with a particular nick |
| 19:08.17 | Ben_90 | ok |
| 19:08.26 | chavodelocho | hi guys, I have configured my Debian Etch to get my router log, after that, the /var/log/kern.log cannot log anymore, and the /var/log/messages log only the router things... when I disable this, the messages cannot log either |
| 19:08.31 | hark | orion_x11: run "gnome-mouse-properties" |
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| 19:09.48 | hark | orion_x11: oh, wait i don't think it's migrated from sid to testing yet. The latest gnome overrides your hal settings for the touchpad. so if you don't see it, it's ok |
| 19:10.04 | orion_x11 | hark, there is no touchpad tab in that. Only general and properties |
| 19:10.16 | Ben_90 | debhelper: how do i fix my screensavers? |
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| 19:10.31 | Ben_90 | dpkg:? |
| 19:10.31 | dpkg | Ben_90: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 19:10.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben_90: stop trolling - you've been told about the saver |
| 19:10.44 | hark | orion_x11: do you have a custom /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi or similar? |
| 19:10.57 | Ben_90 | sorry |
| 19:11.12 | hark | orion_x11: or in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/ ? |
| 19:11.26 | hark | orion_x11: pastebin that and your xorg log |
| 19:11.33 | ranix | Ben_90: the 3d acceleration in the 815g is rather slow, there is a possibility it cannot render high-resolution images for your screensaver at acceptable framerates for you |
| 19:11.49 | ranix | Ben_90: the answer is either stop using the 815g or turn down your resolution |
| 19:11.54 | orion_x11 | hark, I do not know. I think not because I have not opened that file yet |
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| 19:14.13 | lucapost | hi all |
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| 19:14.20 | rebecca2525 | does someone here use a wacom tablet in testing? most instructions i find on the net are outdated, all talk about compiling the wacom drivers yourself. is that still needed? |
| 19:15.04 | abrotman | there is the xserver-xorg-input-wacom i believe |
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| 19:15.25 | rebecca2525 | abrotman: yes, but most sites say to ignore that and compile yourself |
| 19:15.33 | abrotman | i'd probably try it first |
| 19:15.40 | lucapost | ciao |
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| 19:16.10 | rebecca2525 | i have, i don't seem to get a reaction from my tablet. now i wonder if did configure wrong... |
| 19:16.36 | rebecca2525 | ... or if i should compile the driver myself |
| 19:18.36 | BubbaT_ | I'm having problems getting WiFi working. |
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| 19:18.58 | Spec | azeem: sorry 'bout that |
| 19:19.00 | BubbaT_ | I have everything else working but I can't install knwetwork-manager. |
| 19:19.11 | Spec | azeem: so, debian rolls out security support for oldstable before testing becomes newstable? |
| 19:19.27 | Spec | for some reason I thought that was in sync with releases |
| 19:19.29 | BubbaT_ | s/newtwork-manager/network-manager/ |
| 19:19.42 | BubbaT_ | Running lenny with kde4.2 |
| 19:19.56 | Spec | newtwork-manager, the new and improved amphibian management suite |
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| 19:21.01 | orion_x11 | hark, http://paste.debian.net/51212/ |
| 19:21.44 | BubbaT_ | I tried to download the source for knetwork-manager, but it doesn't seem to compile against kde4. |
| 19:23.13 | themill | Spec: /msg dpkg oldstable security |
| 19:23.26 | hark | BubbaT_: it's network-manager-kde |
| 19:23.55 | BubbaT_ | hark, network-manager-kde refuses to install. |
| 19:24.08 | themill | BubbaT_: the kde4 version of network-manager is still a work in progress. It's likely to be released with the next version of KDE4 |
| 19:24.09 | hark | BubbaT_: /msg dpkg bat |
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| 19:24.42 | hark | themill: but you can install the old one still? |
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| 19:25.13 | themill | hark: it's in squeeze and sid still so I imagine so |
| 19:25.19 | BubbaT_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 19:25.19 | BubbaT_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.34 | hark | orion_x11: moment |
| 19:25.41 | themill | judd versions network-manager |
| 19:25.42 | judd | themill: network-manager -- etch: 0.6.4-6 lenny: 0.6.6-3 lenny-backports: 0.7.1-1~bpo50+1 sid: 0.7.1-2 squeeze: 0.7.1-2 |
| 19:25.52 | Spec | themill: ah, the faq was informative. |
| 19:25.55 | themill | BubbaT_: are you mixing squeeze and lenny or something there? |
| 19:25.58 | hark | BubbaT_: you have mixed your sources |
| 19:25.59 | themill | Spec: yes |
| 19:27.04 | BubbaT_ | themill: No, but i have lenny with debian-desktop ( for kde4.2 ) and an older kernel from backports ( for ath9k ). |
| 19:27.04 | hark | orion_x11: also the xorg log, but i think this explains it |
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| 19:27.35 | themill | BubbaT_: ergh... so you've got some random packages from debian-desktop :( they're the ones that are causing the problems.... |
| 19:28.20 | BubbaT_ | themill: without them I lose 4.2. |
| 19:28.28 | themill | BubbaT_: debian-desktop is NOT debian. The packages they have seem to often be pretty variable in quality. Anywya, judd said above that backports.org has a newer version of network-manager so you could try that. |
| 19:28.31 | BubbaT_ | Sorry kde 4.2 |
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| 19:31.05 | BubbaT_ | themill, how do I do that? |
| 19:31.12 | hark | orion_x11: put http://paste.debian.net/51213/ in the xml file and exit X. restart hal and see. |
| 19:31.48 | themill | dpkg: tell BubbaT_ about bpo |
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| 19:32.29 | hark | what's the difference between TapButton and ClickFinger in synaptics again? |
| 19:32.35 | hark | can't remember |
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| 19:33.16 | orion_x11 | hark, which log do you want? |
| 19:33.36 | orion_x11 | hark, I am inside /var/log |
| 19:33.37 | hark | orion_x11: /var/log/Xorg.0.log , but try what i said first |
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| 19:34.11 | Snadder | Anyone know about multipath, and how to set max io priority?.. So I make sure that windows aint stealing all the io. |
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| 19:34.21 | hark | orion_x11: or wait, we can check another way |
| 19:34.52 | hark | orion_x11: type "synclient TapButton1=1" |
| 19:35.56 | orion_x11 | hark, I`ve typed |
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| 19:36.21 | hark | check, can you tap that?? |
| 19:37.20 | orion_x11 | hark, :-( |
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| 19:38.24 | orion_x11 | hark, no |
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| 19:39.10 | hark | orion_x11: ok pastebin synclient -l output |
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| 19:40.04 | pinholecamera | hey folks, how goes it? |
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| 19:42.08 | orion_x11 | hark, http://paste.debian.net/51215/ |
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| 19:46.41 | pinholecamera | i'm trying to set up iptables rules that drop all incoming IPs to a certain port except for one specific static IP, can anyone point me in the right direction on how i could do this? |
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| 19:47.28 | Blusion`Afk | Hello, I have an question. I want to install Debian, but I want to use Plesk. But Plesk supports only the older version 4.x, not 5.x. HAve some of you install plesk on the newest version of Debian? |
| 19:48.22 | tabris|away | i'd rather suggest asking Plesk support |
| 19:48.38 | tabris|away | esp as you're going ot be paying them for hte license. |
| 19:48.41 | Justin | pinholecamera: you don't drop+except, you allow the ip first, then drop everything else |
| 19:48.53 | pinholecamera | Justin: gotcha, that makes sense |
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| 19:50.28 | asg | pinholecamera: you can also set a default deny policy and then add the IPs you wish to allow |
| 19:50.30 | orion_x11 | hark, also my X log > http://paste.debian.net/51217/ |
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| 19:50.44 | hark | orion_x11: that does look OK. do you have any touchpad application installed? like gsynaptics? |
| 19:50.55 | BubbaT_ | themall, still here? If so what I need to know is how to install a particular vesrion of a package ( network-manager ). |
| 19:51.14 | Blusion`Afk | [20:48] <tabris|away> esp as you're going ot be paying them for hte license. <- yes. |
| 19:51.27 | hark | themall ;) |
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| 19:51.46 | orion_x11 | hark, yes gsynaptics |
| 19:52.02 | pinholecamera | Justin: is there a way you could just say "drop what's not this IP?" to simplify it? like DROP !192.168.1.105 |
| 19:52.08 | hark | orion_x11: can you check in there? |
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| 19:52.21 | Justin | pinholecamera: no. allow the ip first then drop everything |
| 19:52.27 | BubbaT_ | Sorry themill. |
| 19:52.39 | orion_x11 | hark, yes, have checked many times |
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| 19:53.13 | orion_x11 | hark, enabled touchpad (ticked) |
| 19:53.28 | joeytwiddle | is there any tool that can build a .deb from a package currently installed on my system? i want to upgrade swiftfox from their repository, but want a way back if i have problems with the new version. unfortunately the old .deb is no longer in .../archives/ |
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| 19:53.37 | Blusion`Afk | Well, I read it right now on the forum from plesk of his own |
| 19:53.56 | orion_x11 | hark, tapping enabled |
| 19:54.15 | Justin | joeytwiddle: dpkg-repack |
| 19:54.17 | orion_x11 | hark, I think it is a bug in synaptics driver |
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| 19:54.29 | joeytwiddle | awesome, thanks :) |
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| 19:55.19 | Blusion`Afk | I look further |
| 19:55.27 | Blusion`Afk | Thanks tabris|away ;) |
| 19:55.34 | kqd | Hello, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ <= why dirs are empty ? (iso-cd etc) |
| 19:56.01 | pinholecamera | can you guys point me to some good documentation on iptables? a lot of this stuff i'm finding via google is not helping at all |
| 19:56.14 | hark | orion_x11: the paste earlier of the hal config.. where was it located? |
| 19:56.17 | orion_x11 | hark, http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-x@lists.debian.org/msg90670.html |
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| 19:57.41 | Mithos | has anybody tried installing debian with UnetBootin? |
| 19:57.44 | dustybin | i have a headless box and would like to see what that boxes terminal is displaying, how could i display the tty of the box? |
| 19:58.00 | Justin | dustybin: dmesg |
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| 19:58.09 | dustybin | Justin: just dmesg? |
| 19:58.24 | Justin | dmesg is the command you are looking for |
| 19:58.30 | dustybin | dmesg doesnt show my whats dislaying on the tty |
| 19:58.37 | orion_x11 | hark, http://paste.debian.net/51212/ |
| 19:58.56 | hark | orion_x11: do you have gpointing-device-settings installed? |
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| 19:59.37 | esaym | anyone know why ipac is not in the repos? What is a good replacement for ipac? (ip traffic accounting) |
| 19:59.54 | orion_x11 | hark, no, because gsynaptics removes it |
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| 20:00.04 | abrotman | esaym: just to track or to actually control access ? |
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| 20:00.24 | hark | orion_x11: can you try in a wm itself, not in gnome. don't run anything else other than that and a terminal |
| 20:00.25 | esaym | abrotman: to try how much bandwidth I use each month |
| 20:00.31 | kqd | Why are all i386 dirs of the weekly builds empty? |
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| 20:00.39 | esaym | to track* |
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| 20:01.03 | hark | orion_x11: yeah that pastebin, what was its location? |
| 20:01.13 | abrotman | esaym: there are many apps that can do that .. bandwidthd is one |
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| 20:02.22 | kqd | bluh |
| 20:03.06 | orion_x11 | hark, I will try it in kde |
| 20:03.22 | esaym | abrotman: bandwidthd looks over kill, ipac was just a simple command that would spit out the traffic used for the current month |
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| 20:03.34 | orion_x11 | hark, many thx for now |
| 20:03.41 | kqd | Why are all i386 dirs of the weekly builds empty? |
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| 20:05.29 | kqd | bluh |
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| 20:06.14 | Justin | kqd: uh, maybe because the builds failed? |
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| 20:09.37 | valdyn | dustybin: what do you really want to see? |
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| 20:10.39 | rebecca2525 | it seems i should have sth like /dev/input/wacom for my tablet, but i don't |
| 20:10.57 | rebecca2525 | lsusb | grep -i wacom |
| 20:11.04 | valdyn | rebecca2525: xserver-xorg-input-wacom is installed? |
| 20:11.04 | rebecca2525 | Bus 003 Device 003: ID 056a:00d3 Wacom Co., Ltd |
| 20:11.10 | rebecca2525 | valdyn: yes |
| 20:11.24 | rebecca2525 | there's a rules file in /etc/udev |
| 20:11.50 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 20:11.50 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. |
| 20:12.02 | valdyn | rebecca2525: try that one, maybe its a new pci id |
| 20:12.18 | valdyn | rebecca2525: err usb id |
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| 20:12.40 | valdyn | theres a site like that for usb too |
| 20:12.41 | twiggz | any of you use zsh and terminator? |
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| 20:15.21 | kqd | tossers |
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| 20:15.32 | valdyn | rebecca2525: i can see you need a newer driver anyway |
| 20:16.00 | rebecca2525 | ok... |
| 20:16.08 | valdyn | rebecca2525: youre on lenny? |
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| 20:16.14 | rebecca2525 | no, testing |
| 20:16.26 | valdyn | rebecca2525: uname -r |
| 20:16.34 | abrotman | esaym: it was just a suggestion |
| 20:16.48 | rebecca2525 | 2.6.30-2-amd64 |
| 20:17.39 | abrotman | esaym: maybe net-acct ? |
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| 20:18.15 | niklaswe | has someone elese has problem with unrar-free ? |
| 20:18.26 | lero | hello, i installed python-zope.component but it does not seem to be available via python, debian seems to store its component in /usr/share/pyshared/zope. it does not seem to be in the python path. so i am wondering how it works in debian how should i add that path or activate it |
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| 20:18.30 | Justin | esaym: vnstat |
| 20:18.49 | esaym | Justin: yea I just found vnstat, looks good |
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| 20:20.19 | twiggz | there are always problems with things ending in -free |
| 20:20.28 | valdyn | judd: usb 056a:00d3 |
| 20:20.29 | judd | valdyn: Error: "usb" is not a valid command. |
| 20:20.32 | twiggz | gnash , unrar-free , nonsense... |
| 20:20.33 | valdyn | judd: device 056a:00d3 |
| 20:20.34 | judd | valdyn: Error: "device" is not a valid command. |
| 20:20.39 | valdyn | judd: pci 056a:00d3 |
| 20:20.41 | judd | valdyn: Error: "pci" is not a valid command. |
| 20:20.45 | valdyn | gah |
| 20:21.30 | valdyn | judd: usbid 056a:00d3 |
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| 20:21.31 | judd | valdyn: Error: "usbid" is not a valid command. |
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| 20:23.01 | rebecca2525 | lspci --> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/149856 |
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| 20:23.29 | valdyn | rebecca2525: not needed since your wacom is usb |
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| 20:24.19 | rgouveia | hi ... I'm 64bit lenny but stuck with a /usr/sbin/grub. Is this expected? |
| 20:24.19 | rebecca2525 | d'oh, that explains that it's missing there... |
| 20:25.01 | valdyn | rgouveia: whats wrong with grub? |
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| 20:26.10 | rgouveia | valdyn: sorry forgot to mention that it's 32bit elf |
| 20:26.57 | valdyn | rgouveia: i see, never noticed, but it makes sense |
| 20:27.00 | valdyn | rgouveia: why care? |
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| 20:27.23 | rgouveia | valdyn: doesn't run? |
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| 20:28.05 | valdyn | rgouveia: reinstall it |
| 20:28.57 | valdyn | rgouveia: does it not run because you have a custom kernel without the 32-bit system calls? |
| 20:29.38 | valdyn | rgouveia: whatever though, if it "doesn't run" it will give a specific error message |
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| 20:30.06 | rgouveia | valdyn: indeed that could be it ... I have this problem with cpufreq and I have been using a custom one although it didn't correct it |
| 20:30.34 | rgouveia | valdyn: I shall boot the bpo one |
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| 20:32.14 | oblio | anyone have any suggestions for getting nvidia-glx on squeeze? my build w/ module assistant fails. |
| 20:32.26 | valdyn | oblio: the sid version works |
| 20:32.33 | oblio | valdyn: i pulled it from sid |
| 20:32.44 | valdyn | oblio: that one works. |
| 20:33.38 | oblio | for the driver? |
| 20:34.10 | hark | oblio: you also have to get nvidia-kernel-source |
| 20:34.19 | oblio | that's what i'm referring to as failing |
| 20:34.30 | valdyn | oblio: do you think we can read your mind? |
| 20:34.37 | valdyn | oblio: paste the command and the error |
| 20:34.39 | oblio | heh |
| 20:34.41 | wols | valdyn: you can't? |
| 20:34.53 | valdyn | wols: i cant even enter !justask anymore |
| 20:34.57 | hark | oblio: pastebin your error and output of dpkg -l nvidia* |
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| 20:35.44 | Snadder | Anyone good at multipath setup? |
| 20:35.45 | rgouveia | valdyn: you were absolutely right. much appreciated :-) |
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| 20:36.04 | valdyn | rgouveia: welcome |
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| 20:37.44 | abrotman | valdyn: only pciid works currently i believe |
| 20:37.48 | abrotman | valdyn: oh, and 'xorg' |
| 20:37.53 | valdyn | abrotman: i see |
| 20:37.55 | Titan8990 | Does anyone know how debian selects a window manager? for example I have xfce4 installed and when I startx, it starts xfce4 but I have not modified ~/.xinitrc or installed a DM |
| 20:37.57 | abrotman | like |
| 20:38.04 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:1234 |
| 20:38.05 | judd | abrotman: [8086:1234] is '430MX - 82371MX Mobile PCI I/O IDE Xcelerator (MPIIX)' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:1234 |
| 20:38.08 | abrotman | good guess :) |
| 20:38.18 | abrotman | judd: xorg 8086:0e12 |
| 20:38.19 | judd | abrotman: Device 8086:0e12 is not matched by any xorg drivers in lenny or sid. |
| 20:38.29 | valdyn | Titan8990: which *dm? |
| 20:38.39 | Titan8990 | valdyn, no DM, thats the point |
| 20:38.43 | valdyn | Titan8990: ops |
| 20:38.45 | abrotman | Titan8990: update-alternatives x-window-manager .. may work for you |
| 20:38.46 | WhiteCrow1 | hi guys i want to install compiz on debian and i don't know how can i do this ? PLZ help me |
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| 20:39.00 | valdyn | Titan8990: update-alternatives, also x-session-manager might override the x-window-manager |
| 20:39.00 | hark | Titan8990: read /usr/bin/startx? ;) |
| 20:39.00 | Titan8990 | abrotman, is that usually called by the postinst script of a window manager? |
| 20:39.07 | abrotman | Titan8990: i don't think so |
| 20:39.07 | oblio | valdyn: your feedback led me to check what dpkg was saying. i had switched to sid sources and remoevd & installed, but evidently i still had the old version. i guess it pulled the deb from cache. i downloaded the packages directly and it looks like it's building. |
| 20:39.13 | Titan8990 | hark, I am sure that points to .xinitrc |
| 20:39.20 | valdyn | oblio: nice |
| 20:39.25 | oblio | it was still 173 or whatever |
| 20:39.30 | Titan8990 | the point is I know how to configure but I didn't and it works anyways... curious on why |
| 20:39.30 | abrotman | Titan8990: if you want confusing .. try to grok how gnome picks its window manager :) |
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| 20:39.49 | abrotman | Titan8990: if you haven't installed another WM .. it will use xfce4 with the alternatives |
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| 20:40.21 | WhiteCrow1 | guys plz help me i new user to debian OS |
| 20:41.00 | oblio | hot |
| 20:41.00 | oblio | (II) NVIDIA GLX Module 185.18.36 Fri Aug 14 18:27:24 PDT 2009 |
| 20:41.09 | oblio | valdyn: have you messed with docky? |
| 20:41.23 | valdyn | oblio: no idea what that is |
| 20:41.29 | WhiteCrow1 | :'( |
| 20:41.37 | abrotman | WhiteCrow1: did you try aptitude install compiz ? |
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| 20:41.52 | valdyn | WhiteCrow1: as a new user, read the topic first, then read what dpkg is about to tell you |
| 20:41.54 | WhiteCrow1 | abrotman: no |
| 20:41.56 | valdyn | !tell WhiteCrow1 -about ask |
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| 20:42.02 | oblio | moar eyecandy, part of gnome-do |
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| 20:42.18 | oblio | it's a theme that does a mac os x dock |
| 20:42.36 | WhiteCrow1 | abrotman: how can use aptiude to install compiz ? |
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| 20:43.10 | abrotman | WhiteCrow1: .. i just told you |
| 20:43.21 | abrotman | WhiteCrow1: something like `aptitude install xorg compiz` |
| 20:43.48 | valdyn | WhiteCrow1: as a new user you dont want to install the broken junk heap that is compi |
| 20:43.51 | valdyn | WhiteCrow1: as a new user you dont want to install the broken junk heap that is compiz |
| 20:44.00 | oblio | hahah |
| 20:44.00 | valdyn | WhiteCrow1: even if it looks neat |
| 20:44.01 | WhiteCrow1 | abrotman: tnx |
| 20:44.12 | abrotman | valdyn: i agree .. |
| 20:44.22 | WhiteCrow1 | bye guys |
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| 20:44.37 | Titan8990 | abrotman, well, i have compiz installed but I had to manually add that via the xfce4 sessions.... that did not get updated as the defaul x-window-manager |
| 20:44.56 | abrotman | Titan8990: so what does the x-window-manager point to? |
| 20:45.32 | valdyn | Titan8990: doesnt really make sense if your desktop environment respected x-window-manager |
| 20:45.52 | Titan8990 | abrotman, only xfwm4... compiz is not an alternative |
| 20:46.11 | Titan8990 | valdyn, I don't use a graphical display manager |
| 20:46.22 | valdyn | Titan8990: i know, unrelated |
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| 20:46.59 | valdyn | Titan8990: session management from startx is the same till you pick a named session in gdm et.al. |
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| 20:49.07 | Titan8990 | valdyn, via x-session-manager? |
| 20:49.25 | valdyn | Titan8990: what i mean is that even if you had an alternative to pick named "compiz", then xfce4 wouldnt respect that either |
| 20:49.56 | Titan8990 | valdyn, well, x-session-manager is a symlink to xfwm4.... you are confusing me |
| 20:50.18 | valdyn | Titan8990: right, but thats x-session-manager |
| 20:50.29 | hark | x-session-manager is given priority |
| 20:50.50 | Titan8990 | valdyn, when I type startx, what happens as far as it deciding which window manager to use? |
| 20:50.53 | valdyn | Titan8990: funny detail taht the xfce session is the same program as the xfce window manager |
| 20:51.04 | Titan8990 | I know A) x-session-manager b) .xinitrc (don't have) |
| 20:51.08 | valdyn | Titan8990: if theres a x-session-manager, that one will be started |
| 20:51.21 | valdyn | Titan8990: from tehre on its up to the x-session-manager what to do |
| 20:51.29 | Titan8990 | valdyn, otherwise it would just startx without a window manager? |
| 20:51.42 | valdyn | Titan8990: it would pick the first x-window-manager |
| 20:51.42 | pobega | I've always thought startx ran ~/.xsession ? |
| 20:51.51 | valdyn | pobega: only if exists |
| 20:52.05 | Titan8990 | valdyn, from the update-alternatives --list x-window-manager ? first in that list? |
| 20:52.07 | pobega | valdyn: oh, okay. Otherwise it defaults to the alternatives? |
| 20:52.26 | hark | order of priority is x-session-manager, x-window-manager and finally x-terminal-emulator |
| 20:52.34 | Titan8990 | pobega, yeah, our discussion is mainly of system wide window manager settings |
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| 20:53.15 | Titan8990 | alright, i understand now... it is done entirely via symlinks |
| 20:53.18 | hark | i think man startx or man xsession explains all that |
| 20:54.24 | hark | this is the one: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/50x11-common_determine-startup |
| 20:54.30 | valdyn | Titan8990: i dont know how its sorted, the numeric value assigned decides unless you pick one manually |
| 20:54.49 | valdyn | Titan8990: in order to see that, run "update-alternatives --display x-window-manager" |
| 20:55.22 | pobega | Titan8990: Oh, okay, didn't know that. Joined a bit late I guess |
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| 20:55.27 | Titan8990 | hark, the startx man page doesn't seem to cover any debian specific topics like we are discussing |
| 20:56.32 | Titan8990 | hark, but it does say that system wide configuration is in /usr/lib/X11/xinit which does not exist on my system |
| 20:56.37 | hark | Titan8990: man xsession, man startx is not completely correct |
| 20:56.49 | Titan8990 | hark, or on debian according to apt-file |
| 20:56.54 | hark | Titan8990: it's /etc/X11/xinit/ actually |
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| 20:57.08 | Titan8990 | hark, thats not what my man page says... |
| 20:57.30 | Titan8990 | The system-wide xinitrc and xserverrc files are found in the /usr/lib/X11/xinit directory. |
| 20:57.46 | hark | yeah, i know. but if you $editor /usr/bin/startx .. it's more definitive |
| 20:57.48 | valdyn | thats like totally violating the fhs |
| 20:57.57 | valdyn | cant be.!, so its not |
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| 21:01.40 | Titan8990 | hark, well, that does work but manually reading a bash script is not a replacement for accurate documentation |
| 21:01.53 | Titan8990 | thanks for the info everyone |
| 21:02.03 | valdyn | Titan8990: that documentation is typical however |
| 21:02.38 | hark | Titan8990: to the bts! |
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| 21:04.50 | abrotman | Titan8990: would you like to hear about gnome-wm? :) |
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| 21:10.29 | alin1 | why is epiphany prefered over pidgin in latest distros? |
| 21:10.35 | alin1 | empathy |
| 21:10.39 | alin1 | sorry |
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| 21:11.01 | alin1 | is it better than pidgin? |
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| 21:12.53 | GNU\colossus | alin1: afaik, it's the standard IM framework for GNOME |
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| 21:15.48 | edju | i have two external disks. which is sdb and which sdc depends on which is turned on first. is there a way to keep that consistent no matter which is first? |
| 21:16.12 | valdyn | edju: no |
| 21:16.13 | Vasistha | edju: mount them by uuid instead of by /dev |
| 21:16.15 | abrotman | !uuid |
| 21:16.15 | dpkg | [uuid] Universally Unique IDentifier, used to reference disk partitions (among other things). See currently known partition UUIDs with `blkid'. In /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. Helps to cope with device name changes such as hda->sda (libata transition) or changes in USB disk order discovery. <LVM> tools accept PV/VG/LV UUIDs as arguments, use {pv,vg,lv}display to acquire. |
| 21:16.16 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 21:16.23 | valdyn | edju: but there is different naming schemes |
| 21:16.46 | edju | Vasistha, they are mounted bu uuid. |
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| 21:17.10 | ferris_ | i just screwed something up and am hoping that someone here can help me... i just deleted my application/system/places/ toolbar.... can someone help me get it back? |
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| 21:17.23 | Vasistha | edju: oh, you want the kernel to assign sdc or sdd according to uuid? I don't think that's possible. |
| 21:17.30 | valdyn | ferris_: the whole toolbar? |
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| 21:18.12 | ferris_ | valdyn: yes |
| 21:18.24 | Vasistha | ferris_: I am going to guess that you hid it rather thsn deleting it |
| 21:19.02 | Spec | Hmm, I'm getting 503s from http://ftp.us.debian.org :( |
| 21:19.05 | ferris_ | Vasistha: let's assume that i did... how do I get it back? |
| 21:19.11 | abrotman | Spec: so use a different mirror |
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| 21:19.28 | Spec | I thought that was a meta-mirror that pointed me to other mirrors. |
| 21:19.44 | Vasistha | ferris_: is it gnome? I don't use gnome myself. Someone here ought to know. You can also ask #gnome at irc.gnome.org |
| 21:19.46 | Spec | Specifically, the 503s are coming from ftp-chi.osuosl.org. |
| 21:19.46 | valdyn | ferris_: how did you delete it? |
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| 21:20.15 | ferris_ | Vasistha; yes it is gnome |
| 21:20.39 | Vasistha | ferris_: maybe this will help: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=661097 |
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| 21:20.55 | ferris_ | valdyn: i right clicked it and chose to either remove or delete... not sure which options are there |
| 21:21.19 | valdyn | ferris_: ok, i guess you really deleted it then |
| 21:21.22 | Vasistha | oh! |
| 21:21.23 | hark | ferris_: you can't recover it, but add another panel and configure |
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| 21:21.35 | valdyn | ferris_: open a terminal, run "killall -9 gnome-panel", pray |
| 21:21.47 | valdyn | ferris_: thats less work than adding a new one anyway |
| 21:21.53 | hark | ferris_: maybe there's a gnome option in gconf to reset the panel properties |
| 21:21.53 | valdyn | ferris_: but it might not work |
| 21:22.09 | valdyn | hark: wow, nice one |
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| 21:22.23 | valdyn | hark: err, i oversaw the "maybe" |
| 21:22.42 | ferris_ | ok i will try that |
| 21:22.53 | hark | valdyn: that's the important part :) |
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| 21:24.42 | hark | ferris_: in /apps/panel/ |
| 21:25.38 | Titan8990 | abrotman, had to run afk. if you want to tell about it sure :) |
| 21:25.48 | twiggz | bully porter is great |
| 21:25.57 | twiggz | if none of you have tried it, i highly suggest it. |
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| 21:26.20 | abrotman | twiggz: please keep it on topic |
| 21:26.38 | abrotman | Titan8990: ask me later this evening .. or install gnome-session and read the script and see if you can figure out what is wrong |
| 21:26.59 | ferris_ | hark: i do not have a /apps folder |
| 21:27.18 | ferris_ | the firs folder i have is /bin |
| 21:27.37 | Titan8990 | abrotman, guessing I should be able to find the script if I just dl the source? |
| 21:27.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:27.56 | abrotman | /usr/bin/gnome-wm |
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| 21:28.31 | hark | ferris_: exit gnome, try mv ~/.gconf/apps/panel/ ~/panelBACKUP . if it doesn't work restore it. your goal is to reset it to the default |
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| 21:28.53 | twiggz | I would, if you hadnt banned me from offtopic .....like the ass you are. |
| 21:28.57 | ^icy-ice^ | Hi, when is a new version of Debian with PHP 5.3.x by default coming out? |
| 21:29.04 | twiggz | Id rathe rbe chatting in offtopic myself. |
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| 21:29.44 | abrotman | ^icy-ice^: unknown. The freeze is tentatively planned for March I believe |
| 21:29.45 | valdyn | hark: problem is his gnome-settings-daemon will continue running |
| 21:29.57 | Titan8990 | abrotman, guessing I should look at the one that says "# This script has been heavily modified to support Debian's alternatives system."? |
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| 21:30.05 | Titan8990 | abrotman, (two versions of same script) |
| 21:30.36 | abrotman | Titan8990: i guess you'd also have to read the man page for gnome-wm .. notice the part about $WINDOW_MANAGER .. and re-read the gnome-wm script |
| 21:30.48 | hark | valdyn: it runs even when you exit gnome? |
| 21:30.54 | valdyn | hark: yes |
| 21:30.58 | valdyn | hark: gconfd-2 |
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| 21:33.06 | valdyn | ferris_: just creating a new panel might be easieset for you at this point |
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| 21:33.24 | valdyn | ferris_: i.e. rightlock on the bottom panel, add, then move it to where you want it and add stuff |
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| 21:33.34 | valdyn | ferris_: and run gnome-session-save when you are done |
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| 21:34.34 | hark | ferris_: try gconftool ârecursive-unset /apps/panel then |
| 21:35.27 | hark | ferris_: make sure the panel is not running, do a killall gnome-panel first |
| 21:35.39 | hark | ferris_: wait |
| 21:36.56 | hark | ferris_: gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel |
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| 21:37.27 | Vasistha | I'm wondering what the different options are for monitoring printing by different people in my house. There are 4 of us living here, we're all good friends, and we have a "community computer" that everyone uses. For convenience, we just keep it logged into the "guest" account. Is it possible to disable printing as "guest" but set up a user-specific password prompt? Or do I need to force people to use their own accounts? |
| 21:38.04 | ferris_ | hark: thanks.... i got it all back! |
| 21:38.05 | valdyn | Vasistha: cups has all that built in |
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| 21:38.19 | Vasistha | valdyn: thanks, I will read up on it |
| 21:38.28 | iammyr | hello everyon |
| 21:39.01 | iammyr | please could anyone tell me how to downgrade from the unstable to the stable lenny debain version? |
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| 21:39.22 | iammyr | how to remove all the unstable stuff? |
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| 21:40.09 | themill | iammyr: you can't. /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 21:40.44 | iammyr | oo tks!! |
| 21:40.56 | Vasistha | iammyr: that's not really supported. if you upgrade a package and it updates a configuration file, usually the upstream maintainer does not provide a way to revert that same configuration file. You're probably stuck -- as themill said. |
| 21:41.17 | iammyr | I've changed my sources.list |
| 21:41.38 | iammyr | and doing /msg dpkg reinstall I could return to all the stable stuff without reinstall al the os |
| 21:41.41 | iammyr | isn't it? |
| 21:41.52 | nick_h | when you hit ^Ac in GNU Screen, what's the correct term for what's created? is it a new "screen", "window", "buffer", ...? |
| 21:42.13 | freenose | window |
| 21:42.16 | nick_h | thanks |
| 21:42.18 | valdyn | nick_h: man screen |
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| 21:43.07 | Vasistha | hits ^a-c to create a new "manscreen" |
| 21:43.08 | freenose | iammyr: reinstall |
| 21:43.14 | iammyr | that's because suddenly eclipse is refusing to import any existing project either creating new ones |
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| 21:43.32 | freenose | the OS |
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| 21:44.05 | iammyr | and what about 'dpkg reinstall'= |
| 21:44.07 | iammyr | ? |
| 21:45.06 | iammyr | mmm no I've just tried it unseccesfully |
| 21:45.31 | sfv | http://pastebin.ca/1665483 <-- anyone can tell me why this is happening? |
| 21:45.31 | iammyr | ok thanks however to freenose, Vasistha and themill |
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| 21:45.35 | iammyr | tks a lot ;) |
| 21:46.09 | Vasistha | iammyr: good luck! |
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| 21:46.32 | \amethyst | sfv: isn't that what svnserve is supposed to do? |
| 21:46.33 | \amethyst | doh |
| 21:46.42 | kaiten4 | Hello. Is there a way to chroot into Linux from windows? |
| 21:46.51 | sfv | \amethyst: no, :/ |
| 21:47.00 | sfv | \amethyst: that'sa broken pipe or smth |
| 21:47.21 | Vasistha | kaiten4: I don't think so. what are you trying to do? |
| 21:47.33 | \amethyst | sfv: does it say 'broken pipe'? |
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| 21:47.41 | \amethyst | sfv: because that wasn't in what you pasted |
| 21:47.56 | sfv | \amethyst: no, but i see gibberish |
| 21:48.07 | kaiten4 | Vasistha: I installed a radeon from nvidia and my gnome desktop is "upside down". I juste wanted to fix the problem without resorting to lynx |
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| 21:48.13 | sfv | \amethyst: can you explain why it outputs that? |
| 21:48.19 | \amethyst | sfv: that's because svnserve -t is designed for subversion to talk over, not humans |
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| 21:48.34 | Vasistha | kaiten4: uh, what does that have to do with windows? And what does that have to do with lunx? |
| 21:48.35 | \amethyst | sfv: that's a status message printed by svnserve to the svn client that connects |
| 21:48.56 | \amethyst | sfv: since normally it's the svn sclient that runs svnserve |
| 21:49.06 | Vasistha | kaiten4: and, uh, I think radeon is made by ati, not nvidea |
| 21:49.47 | kaiten4 | Vasistha: I dual boot, right now I'm on windows, I have access to my linux parition and wanted to chroot. I upgrade from a nvidia to a radeon and my screen is upside down |
| 21:50.02 | sfv | \amethyst: yes but i can see it when i connect through ssh svn@server |
| 21:50.12 | sfv | \amethyst: how can i stop this? |
| 21:50.23 | \amethyst | sfv: what do you want to happen when you ssh svn@server ? |
| 21:50.35 | kaiten4 | Well since I guess chrooting from win isn't doable I won't bug you thanks. |
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| 21:51.21 | sfv | \amethyst: well i want to display, "access denied" . i have succeeded with just ssh svn@server but the problem remains with ssh svn@server svnserve -t |
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| 21:51.43 | Vasistha | kaiten4: afaik no, it is not possible to do that. It shouldn't be too difficult to boot into single user mode, though. /msg dpkg xorg config lenny |
| 21:51.47 | \amethyst | sfv: err, you *want* ssh svn@server svnserve -t to do that |
| 21:52.02 | sfv | \amethyst: yes but somehow i dont want that garbage |
| 21:52.08 | \amethyst | sfv: yes, you do |
| 21:52.10 | sfv | \amethyst: is it a harmless msg? |
| 21:52.18 | \amethyst | sfv: it's an important message |
| 21:52.28 | kaiten4 | Vasistha: I just wanted access to firefox as lynx kills my moral hah. But thanks |
| 21:52.32 | sfv | \amethyst: can some malicious user exploit it someway? |
| 21:52.34 | \amethyst | sfv: it tells the svn client that there is actually a svn server here, and what features it supports |
| 21:52.54 | \amethyst | sfv: you'll have to ask #svn about that |
| 21:53.25 | catsup | svn client wouldn't use -t |
| 21:53.26 | sfv | thanks |
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| 21:53.46 | catsup | oh wait what |
| 21:53.49 | \amethyst | catsup: svn+ssh |
| 21:53.51 | catsup | nevermind |
| 21:54.03 | catsup | i got confused |
| 21:54.06 | \amethyst | sfv: how did you do this? setting the user's shell or what? |
| 21:54.33 | sfv | \amethyst: avoiding?yes |
| 21:54.35 | sfv | wrapper script |
| 21:55.09 | \amethyst | sfv: you can have the wrapper script check its arguments |
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| 21:55.32 | \amethyst | sfv: if no arguments are provided if [ $# = 0 ]; then echo "shell access disabled"; exit 1; fi |
| 21:56.14 | \amethyst | sfv: the svn client will cause it to be called as something like yourscript -c 'svnserve -t blah' |
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| 21:56.44 | sfv | \amethyst: i want to be able to have svn+ssh but not having some user go "ssh svn@server svnserve -t" because it outputs that weird msg which i cant catch |
| 21:56.51 | sfv | and i dont know if it's dangerous |
| 21:56.54 | \amethyst | sfv: you can't have both |
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| 21:57.01 | sfv | without arguments i can catch |
| 21:57.20 | \amethyst | sfv: there is no way to tell the difference between svn+ssh and the user typing 'ssh svn@server svnserve -t' |
| 21:57.34 | \amethyst | sfv: it's exactly the same thing from the server side |
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| 21:58.22 | sfv | \amethyst: yes i know i tried tricks like symbolic/hard links |
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| 21:58.28 | sfv | to intermediate the control |
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| 21:58.58 | sfv | like if command != randomjunk print "denied" else /usr/bin/svnserve |
| 21:59.05 | sfv | but didnt work |
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| 22:00.49 | Roland- | seems like sound keep crashing, how can I inspect that further? |
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| 22:01.52 | \amethyst | sfv: it is possible to check the arguments, with if [ "$1" = "blah" ] && [ "$2" = "something" ] |
| 22:02.10 | \amethyst | sfv: but it doesn't buy you any real security |
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| 22:03.50 | sfv | \amethyst: but it's tricky because i cant avoid -t which is what i want in fact .. :/ |
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| 22:03.51 | DexterF | hi |
| 22:04.02 | sfv | \amethyst: which is what causes this problem |
| 22:04.15 | DexterF | my lenny file server tells me on each boot: "md0: unknown partition table" - md0 is all LVM2, so do I need to worry? |
| 22:04.24 | \amethyst | sfv: the fact that it prints that stuff when you connect is *not a problem*. It's what you want |
| 22:04.34 | DexterF | the volumes are all fine |
| 22:04.35 | \amethyst | sfv: if you make it not print the stuff, svn+ssh won't work |
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| 22:06.30 | sfv | hm |
| 22:06.38 | sfv | \amethyst: you're right thanks |
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| 22:14.40 | p3rror | i got a new optical mouse under my box |
| 22:15.01 | p3rror | the 2 buttons work and not the third |
| 22:15.09 | p3rror | please can you help me |
| 22:15.17 | doubletwist | Am I missing something? apt-cache-show zabbix-server-mysql shows it to be version 1.6.6-1~bpo50+1. But when it's installed dpkg -l shows version 1.4.6-1 installed. |
| 22:15.36 | doubletwist | hrm |
| 22:15.41 | doubletwist | wait I think I see |
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| 22:16.36 | doubletwist | nm, it was showing the backports version which I have set not to install by default. duh |
| 22:17.50 | abrotman | doubletwist: apt-cache policy foo |
| 22:18.00 | hark | doubletwist: backports will not install by default anyway. |
| 22:19.32 | hark | p3rror: the 3rd button being? right/middle click? |
| 22:19.45 | p3rror | middle |
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| 22:21.33 | p3rror | hark, when i do some copy paste that work but it the wheel does not work |
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| 22:23.17 | hark | p3rror: middle click works then, just no scrolling? |
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| 22:23.33 | p3rror | yes |
| 22:23.38 | p3rror | that is |
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| 22:26.48 | hark | p3rror: do you have an xorg.conf? pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 22:27.43 | retrospectacus | I have a problem with Places - Connect to server, windows share. I get an Error dialog: Could not open location 'smb://slayer/storage/' Invalid file info format |
| 22:28.04 | p3rror | kark, http://pastebin.com/f7b13cdcf |
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| 22:37.15 | hark | p3rror: it looks OK, it detected it and set the normal axis mapping |
| 22:37.28 | p3rror | yes |
| 22:37.40 | hark | p3rror: and you're running squeeze/sid too |
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| 22:38.10 | p3rror | right |
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| 22:41.50 | hark | i recently got a wireless mouse/keyboard and it just worked ootb. |
| 22:42.48 | hark | p3rror: maybe try setting ZAxisMapping? check man mousedrv or google for your mouse |
| 22:43.20 | p3rror | ZAxisMapping? what is it ? |
| 22:43.39 | hark | man mousedrv |
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| 22:49.39 | ferris_ | I was able to get my wireless card to work but every time I restart my computer I have to run modprobe wl in order for the wifi card to start |
| 22:50.10 | ferris_ | how can i put this in the boot process so that I do not have to do this everytime |
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| 22:51.22 | dfjm90 | hello to everyone i just got a silly question, ¿do i need the 5 dvd's to install debian lenny or just the first dvd? |
| 22:51.33 | ferris_ | dfjm90 |
| 22:51.41 | hark | ferris_: /etc/modules, but you shouldn't have to do it |
| 22:51.57 | ferris_ | just the first |
| 22:52.05 | ferris_ | but then you install from the internet |
| 22:52.12 | hark | dfjm90: first dvd/cd/netinst is enough |
| 22:52.14 | dfjm90 | ok |
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| 22:53.08 | dfjm90 | i imagine i can get the rest when i actualize the system! |
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| 22:55.40 | ferris_ | hark: do i put a file in the modules folder or do I edit the modules file? |
| 22:55.56 | ferris_ | the only thing that is in the file is : loop |
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| 22:56.33 | hark | you have a /etc/modules directory? |
| 22:56.41 | ferris_ | yes |
| 22:57.07 | ferris_ | no |
| 22:57.11 | hark | eh you can't |
| 22:57.12 | dfjm90 | ok |
| 22:57.20 | dfjm90 | thanks a lot |
| 22:57.22 | ferris_ | i have a modprobe.d folder |
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| 22:57.31 | dfjm90 | good bye |
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| 22:58.37 | hark | man modules, read the comments at the top of /etc/modules. what wireless card do you have anyway? |
| 22:58.51 | ferris_ | bcm4311 |
| 22:58.55 | ferris_ | broadcom |
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| 22:59.04 | ferris_ | it is in a compaq laptop |
| 22:59.25 | hark | ferris_: oh so this is ndiswrapper? why don't you use the b43 driver instead? |
| 22:59.57 | hark | !b43 |
| 22:59.58 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter>. USB devices not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. See also <bcm4312>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:00.29 | ferris_ | i have used the wl |
| 23:00.37 | ferris_ | not ndiswrapper |
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| 23:00.43 | abrotman | !wl |
| 23:00.43 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (PCI-Id 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB"). To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. See also <bcm4312>. |
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| 23:01.01 | ferris_ | i followed the instructions at wiki.debian.org/wl |
| 23:01.25 | ferris_ | but the issue is that on restart it doesn't load the wifi card |
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| 23:01.54 | ferris_ | i have a wifi enable button which i pressed and waited 20 seconds and still nothing |
| 23:02.13 | ferris_ | i can load it by running "modprobe wl" as su |
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| 23:02.46 | hark | ferris_: i already told you |
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| 23:05.00 | ferris_ | hark: thanks. i appreciate the help |
| 23:05.12 | hark | ferris_: your chipset seems to be supported by b43. you can try that as well. |
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| 23:06.31 | hark | what's a "hybrid" driver anyway? |
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| 23:07.16 | hark | less wireless pollution? better battery life? |
| 23:07.22 | abrotman | hark: part OSS/part binary .. i think |
| 23:07.27 | abrotman | you know .. non-free :) |
| 23:07.36 | abrotman | be my guess anyway |
| 23:07.40 | ferris_ | i am not sure what it means but i think it is because it contains all of the previous updates and versions |
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| 23:07.46 | ferris_ | but not totally sure |
| 23:07.57 | themill | hark: user-space binary blobby thing that actually does the wifi-work and kernel module to talk to the hardware: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php |
| 23:08.05 | ferris_ | i really didn't read the description after i found that it was the correct driver |
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| 23:08.18 | ferris_ | like firmware |
| 23:08.37 | ferris_ | ok... well i am going to reboot and see if it works |
| 23:08.42 | ferris_ | thanks |
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| 23:12.01 | hark | oh a bit like the old intel wireless daemon |
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| 23:15.17 | simonrvn | dpkg: currentsidxorgproblems is also see disable autoenable |
| 23:15.17 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
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| 23:17.03 | simonrvn | dpkg: disable autoenable is <reply>in xorg.conf: Section "ServerFlags"\nOption "AllowEmptyInput" "false"\nOption "AutoAddDevices" "false"\nOption "AutoEnableDevices" "false"\nEndSection (\n == hit enter, don't type '\n') |
| 23:17.04 | dpkg | simonrvn: okay |
| 23:17.28 | simonrvn | dpkg: rename disable autoenable disable autoenable kbd+mouse |
| 23:19.14 | simonrvn | !currentsidxorgproblems |
| 23:19.14 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/CurrentProblemsInUnstable/, or see kbd+mouse broken |
| 23:19.15 | themill | gives simonrvn some quote characters |
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| 23:19.25 | simonrvn | i got it ;) |
| 23:19.37 | simonrvn | !kbd+mouse broken |
| 23:19.37 | dpkg | in xorg.conf: Section "ServerFlags"nOption "AllowEmptyInput" "false"nOption "AutoAddDevices" "false"nOption "AutoEnableDevices" "false"nEndSection (n == hit enter, don't type 'n') |
| 23:19.57 | simonrvn | bah, double escape... |
| 23:19.59 | themill | \fail |
| 23:20.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:20.29 | simonrvn | !kbd+mouse broken =~ s,'n','\\n', |
| 23:20.29 | dpkg | simonrvn: OK |
| 23:20.36 | simonrvn | !kbd+mouse broken |
| 23:20.36 | dpkg | in xorg.conf: Section "ServerFlags"nOption "AllowEmptyInput" "false"nOption "AutoAddDevices" "false"nOption "AutoEnableDevices" "false"nEndSection (n == hit enter, don't type '\\n') |
| 23:20.47 | simonrvn | *headdesk* |
| 23:21.01 | simonrvn | dpkg: screw you |
| 23:21.01 | dpkg | no thanks |
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| 23:22.12 | simonrvn | themill: xorg in sid suddenly stopped enabling the keyboard and mouse via hal/dbus/crap. was doing this in ubuntu too. |
| 23:22.39 | craigevi1 | get rid of any kb/mouse entries in xorg.conf |
| 23:22.58 | simonrvn | why? i like it that way |
| 23:23.26 | craigevi1 | because it works without them, or at least it does here on a fully updated sid |
| 23:23.33 | abrotman | blames PPC |
| 23:24.21 | benedikt | apt-listbugs is reporting a grave bug with gvfs. Can i upgrade without upgrading gvfs? |
| 23:24.29 | simonrvn | ok, now really fixed |
| 23:24.45 | simonrvn | abrotman: this is x86 |
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| 23:24.59 | dondelelcaro | benedikt: in general, yes. |
| 23:25.08 | benedikt | how? |
| 23:25.11 | simonrvn | nm that, i forgot the deadpan humour you have ;) |
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| 23:25.20 | abrotman | that's still busted ? |
| 23:25.50 | simonrvn | craigevi1: have you restarted x since the last udev update? |
| 23:26.38 | craigevi1 | no just noticed udev downloading, udev 147-1 |
| 23:26.58 | hark | benedikt: you can pin it when apt-listbugs asks you what to do? it's 'p' iirc, ? for help |
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| 23:27.14 | simonrvn | ii udev 147~git20091109-1 |
| 23:27.14 | yaaar | howdy |
| 23:27.17 | yaaar | anybody know much about ispconfig? i've got version 3 on a debian lenny machine, and it used to work fine...but now when I change something in ispconfig it doesn't actually do anything to the config files |
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| 23:27.40 | kronic | i'm trying to achieve the following, have uid etc.. mapped from ldap and password via radius. I have nss configured for ldap, pam.d/common-auth and common-account configured with pam_radius_auth |
| 23:27.42 | craigevi1 | Installed: 146-6 Candidate: 147-1 |
| 23:27.45 | benedikt | hark: damnit. my bad, didnt see that option. |
| 23:28.10 | simonrvn | checks for updates |
| 23:28.21 | kronic | however when I connect via ssh, it takes a long time for the uid lookup, sometimes bash reports no username |
| 23:28.52 | simonrvn | something's borked ;) |
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| 23:29.18 | twiggz | hmm |
| 23:29.36 | twiggz | #debian-completelyofftopic anything goes. |
| 23:29.39 | benedikt | hark: doesnt give me a 'p' option. |
| 23:29.41 | twiggz | banned for nothing. |
| 23:29.50 | craigevi1 | simonrvn: i havent updated for a couple of days because of a libc6 bug, #555644 - libc6: fails to update from << 2.10 -- incorrect invoke-rc.d call in postinst script |
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| 23:30.05 | twiggz | not banned for anything*. |
| 23:30.06 | benedikt | craigevi1: i just pulled that one from sid |
| 23:30.15 | themill | twiggz: please keep it on topic in here. |
| 23:30.16 | benedikt | but the gvfs bug is still unfixed |
| 23:30.40 | simonrvn | craigevi1: yeh; i see the new udev (147-1) |
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| 23:30.53 | hark | benedikt: use aptitude |
| 23:30.57 | benedikt | hark: i am |
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| 23:31.59 | hark | benedikt: what does ? give? i don't remember offhand but i think it is p |
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| 23:32.30 | benedikt | hark: "Are you sure you want to install/upgrade the above packages? [Y/n/?/...] " Only gives me a yes/no choice :P |
| 23:32.42 | benedikt | hark: aptitude safe-upgrade. |
| 23:32.57 | benedikt | ill just wait with th updating until it is fixed |
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| 23:34.07 | twiggz | 17:28 [freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- dropping #debian-completelyofftopic and using ##debian-completelyofftopic instead. |
| 23:34.10 | twiggz | homos |
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| 23:34.22 | twiggz | afk |
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| 23:35.32 | hark | benedikt: and when you type 'p' there? or '?' ? |
| 23:36.09 | benedikt | hark: ..... *facepalm* |
| 23:36.12 | hark | [y/n/?/...] is not a yes/no choice |
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| 23:37.27 | simonrvn | \o/ |
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| 23:41.46 | dustybin | simonrvn: topic |
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| 23:45.21 | craigevil | simonrvn: no problem here with the newest udev in sid, udev: Installed: 147-1 Candidate: 147-1 |
| 23:45.21 | xand | hmm... bash_completion is misbehaving since I updated my squeeze box; it no longer tab completes filenames with spaces in :S |
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| 23:46.46 | fonzotic | where else could network interfaces be assigned to an IP when not in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 23:47.33 | mesaGL | fonzotic: do you have network-mangler running ? |
| 23:47.39 | mesaGL | *manager |
| 23:48.19 | simonrvn | dustybin: what about it? |
| 23:48.30 | massmc | hello, I have tightvnc set up running with fluxbox. I need to make it run multiple instances for each user. How do I do this |
| 23:48.39 | simonrvn | craigevil: restarted x too? you have configured input devices, or no? |
| 23:48.42 | EasyTUX | eh, I love deb503 dependancies, can get rid of evolution without autoremove to remove the whole gnome SHIT => PERFECT !!! |
| 23:48.46 | dustybin | 23:37 < simonrvn> \o/ <-- that was non-debian talk :D |
| 23:48.49 | fonzotic | mesaGL: nope, inly net-tools |
| 23:48.53 | fonzotic | inly/only |
| 23:48.59 | simonrvn | !lart dustybin |
| 23:48.59 | dpkg | burns dustybin to a crisp with a laser |
| 23:49.06 | craigevil | simonrvn: yeah just rebooted, and i have no entries for kb/mouse in my xorg.conf |
| 23:49.08 | fonzotic | the rest is pretty much a base install |
| 23:49.10 | EasyTUX | *can NOT get rid of evolution |
| 23:49.19 | themill | dpkg: tell EasyTUX about unmarkauto |
| 23:49.23 | hark | xand: install the package from sid |
| 23:49.30 | EasyTUX | without blowing out gnome... |
| 23:49.35 | EasyTUX | huhu |
| 23:49.40 | benedikt | EasyTUX: whats wrong with evolution? |
| 23:49.55 | EasyTUX | its data-server |
| 23:50.05 | EasyTUX | in particular |
| 23:50.10 | simonrvn | craigevil: *sigh*. so it's *not* have inputs defined, and it works, but it doesn't work if you do, and you have to turn off autoenabling. what a crock :). |
| 23:50.16 | xand | hark: I'll disable it for now |
| 23:51.14 | craigevil | simonrvn: this is all thats in my xorg.conf http://paste.debian.net/51244/ |
| 23:51.34 | EasyTUX | hopes apt-cache will show at least xfce4 as a sane wm... |
| 23:52.15 | simonrvn | craigevil: blah :( |
| 23:52.28 | simonrvn | xfwm4 is the wm, FYI |
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| 23:55.02 | fonzotic | thats really a mystery to me. i made sure there is only eth0 and eth0:1 assigned to an IP in /etc/network/interfaces and there is no DHCP and no network-manager, but i end up with a third IP assigned to eth0:2 |
| 23:55.07 | fonzotic | where could that be setup? |
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| 23:55.41 | themill | EasyTUX: dpkg told you the answer to your question already |
| 23:56.27 | en1gma | hey all i have installed debian 5.03 about a week ago or so....anyhow i have a mb with onboard intel vcard and firefox is fine in windows but is just horrible in debian...anyway i have another vcard its like an nvidia mx440 or something....it has its own memory and should be faster...what is correct procedure for doing this |
| 23:56.45 | en1gma | if i just shutdown and install vcard and boot up i know i will be stuck in the command line |
| 23:57.11 | becky | fonzotic, is it a dot1q interface |
| 23:57.19 | craigevil | intel and firefox work just fine here, i spent half the day yesterday watching videos on hulu |
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| 23:57.25 | EasyTUX | themill: Yes I didn't realize evolution WAS gnome-core... |
| 23:57.27 | fonzotic | becky: whats that? |
| 23:57.41 | en1gma | mine is very slow |
| 23:57.53 | en1gma | it works fine in vista which is strange i know |
| 23:58.17 | en1gma | but i know a slow vcard when i see one...my debian system is not my game machine |
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| 23:58.49 | en1gma | anyhow can someone tell me what i need to do when i install the nvidia vcard |
| 23:58.52 | EasyTUX | themill: For ubuntu it's different, don't autoremove all gnome stuff after evolution remove... |
| 23:59.21 | EasyTUX | Seems better, to me though... |
| 23:59.46 | becky | vlan interface |
| 23:59.48 | themill | EasyTUX: "aptitude why gnome-core evolution" indicates that there is no reason that evolution has to be installed if you only install gnome-core |
