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| 00:03.29 | blizzow1 | Is upgrading from lenny to squeeze viable right now? |
| 00:03.35 | blizzow1 | for a desktop box. |
| 00:03.55 | themill | blizzow1: as long as you like an occasionally bumpy ride. /msg dpkg moving target |
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| 00:04.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, it stops moving if you never upgrade :) |
| 00:04.39 | Tramp | did it 3 or 4 months ago and it was fine (main difference is, imho, grub2 and this something based init system) |
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| 00:04.57 | Tramp | and maybe some oddities with bash4 |
| 00:05.27 | blizzow1 | I upgraded an ubuntu machine the other day, and they f***ed my world with pulseaudio. |
| 00:05.59 | blizzow1 | I'm hoping squeeze won't be a disaster on my work desktop |
| 00:06.30 | themill | blizzow1: stick with stable if you want well tested and working nicely |
| 00:07.24 | blizzow1 | just change my sources.list from lenny to squeeze: then aptitude update && aptitude install apt dpkg && aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 00:08.55 | themill | blizzow1: you only missed step 0: "back up important stuff". Yes, that should work. |
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| 00:11.20 | MAd_haTTer | blizzow1: |
| 00:11.55 | MAd_haTTer | aptitude install apt dpkg would not do anything... you would already have them.. |
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| 00:13.25 | MAd_haTTer | Ive done that a few times, try this.. (backup your crap) && aptitude clean && vim /etc/apt/sources.lst && aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 00:13.42 | MAd_haTTer | you need the clean before you change wour sources |
| 00:13.46 | MAd_haTTer | will cause problems |
| 00:13.50 | themill | no you don't |
| 00:14.15 | MAd_haTTer | sure it will |
| 00:14.18 | themill | MAd_haTTer: aptitude install aptitude dpkg would install the newest version of the tools and probably a new libc6 which tends to make the upgrade go better. |
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| 00:15.06 | MAd_haTTer | why update 3 packages /me points to the aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 00:15.45 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: uhm, that's what you're supposed to do .. Have you ever read the release notes? |
| 00:15.56 | MAd_haTTer | if you do not clean you package list you will have each package listed twice |
| 00:16.04 | themill | MAd_haTTer: upgrading with the newer versions of the tools is frequently helpful. For etch->lenny, it was pretty much essential if you had a non-trivial installation. |
| 00:16.37 | MAd_haTTer | abrotman: the apti install apt dpkg ? |
| 00:16.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | where do you think you would have packages listed twice? |
| 00:16.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should go ahead and experiment a bit, before just stating things |
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| 00:17.13 | themill | MAd_haTTer: aptitude clean has nothing to do with cleaning the package list, btw. |
| 00:17.14 | MAd_haTTer | I am not blowing smoke out of my ass |
| 00:17.22 | MAd_haTTer | Ive done it before |
| 00:17.27 | MAd_haTTer | from etch >> lenny |
| 00:18.06 | MAd_haTTer | then I have done it again... the way I said, apti clean & vim /etc/apt/sources.. & apti update ... |
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| 00:19.07 | MAd_haTTer | think about it.. befoure you change your sources, purge you package cache; for it will not be valid |
| 00:19.18 | MAd_haTTer | also apt and dpkg would be in the dist-upgrade.. |
| 00:19.22 | themill | MAd_haTTer: perhaps you should look at the libapt source code. |
| 00:19.38 | MAd_haTTer | perhaps |
| 00:19.45 | themill | MAd_haTTer: but the *old* versions of apt and dpkg would be doing the upgrade and not the newer versions. |
| 00:20.01 | MAd_haTTer | perhaps Ill make a etch n half vm and do it both ways |
| 00:20.26 | MAd_haTTer | so what.. dpkg -i is dpkg -i.. |
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| 00:20.40 | abrotman | no, it's not |
| 00:20.43 | rendar | who, or what is the apt's super cow? :) |
| 00:20.52 | abrotman | rendar: apt-get moo |
| 00:20.53 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 00:20.54 | themill | MAd_haTTer: err... no it isn't. See also how the source code for dpkg and how it changed from etch to lenny. |
| 00:21.35 | MAd_haTTer | starts making a vm |
| 00:21.59 | themill | MAd_haTTer: as I said "non-trivial" installation. The release notes recommend that procedure thanks to extensive upgrade testing that many of us did. |
| 00:22.14 | rendar | abrotman: lol! but why a cow? |
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| 00:22.22 | abrotman | rendar: why not? |
| 00:22.29 | MAd_haTTer | oh I am sure it is improved.. but binarys still go under /usr... and confs go /etc/progname |
| 00:22.40 | dtamborelli | hi, i have installed postgresql on ubuntu and I deleted the /etc/postgresql/8.4 directory... the problem is that when I reinstall postgresql the conf directory is not created... how can I solve this problem please... |
| 00:22.42 | themill | MAd_haTTer: and triggers were added. |
| 00:22.53 | MAd_haTTer | themill: do you have a link? I am all for doing things better... |
| 00:23.01 | rendar | abrotman: well there are so many animals lol |
| 00:23.16 | MAd_haTTer | but I have had problems changing s/etch/lenny without a apti clean |
| 00:23.17 | abrotman | rendar: so you mean .. why not "apt-get bluewhale" ? |
| 00:23.28 | themill | MAd_haTTer: unlikely. |
| 00:23.34 | themill | MAd_haTTer: the lenny release notes? /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
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| 00:23.46 | rendar | yes, why not |
| 00:23.53 | copantl | every time that i reboot the server always i got to press control-d |
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| 00:24.01 | copantl | any body know what this means: Disk /dev/dm-0 doesn't contain a valid partition table |
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| 00:26.44 | oscillocam | copantl: you need a make a partion on the device with fdisk or cfdisk |
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| 00:29.33 | copantl | dont know |
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| 00:30.12 | copantl | and when boot tried to make a fsck check and give me an error code (8) |
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| 00:38.29 | SnakDoc | anyone having trouble or have any info about libpam-smbpass |
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| 00:43.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | the people who wrote about it in the bts |
| 00:43.41 | nse | lol |
| 00:46.48 | careta | hey does anyone know if I need to install package to get the man page of execve? |
| 00:47.22 | careta | or for other system calls like read open etc |
| 00:47.40 | MAd_haTTer | try info |
| 00:47.40 | Witch-King | yes |
| 00:47.48 | Witch-King | manpages-doc is the package i think |
| 00:47.50 | MAd_haTTer | info whatever |
| 00:48.24 | MAd_haTTer | < careta> hey does anyone know if I need to install package to get the man page of execve? -- I think it is a Debian req to have it included... |
| 00:48.43 | MAd_haTTer | requireement |
| 00:49.00 | Witch-King | wait no |
| 00:49.04 | Witch-King | manpages-dev is the package |
| 00:49.17 | Witch-King | itll give you section 2 and 3 for syscalls and library calls |
| 00:49.19 | UnNamed | no, the requirement is about having man pages for things, not that you get all man pages |
| 00:49.19 | careta | oh thats it thanks Witch-King |
| 00:49.35 | Witch-King | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/manpages-dev |
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| 00:50.10 | MAd_haTTer | oh he did not have it installed? |
| 00:51.01 | careta | nop i didn't |
| 00:51.06 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps |
| 00:51.19 | bbelt16ag | i need an app i can add some divx videos to and make a video dvd out of them with chapters and fast forwarding ability |
| 00:51.42 | bbelt16ag | where should i look/ whats good in this area kinda want to avoid making files by hand. |
| 00:51.58 | MAd_haTTer | cat ? |
| 00:51.58 | careta | that's essential for developers i guess... there should be like patters for installing bunch of packages in aptitude - like "development", "office", "games". opensuse has it, and it is really useful |
| 00:52.01 | UnNamed | MAd_haTTer: the package is "Priority: optional" so... |
| 00:52.10 | SnakDoc | nm got it working now it seems |
| 00:52.17 | careta | s/patters/patterns |
| 00:53.30 | abrotman | careta: if you install 'gcc' .. it installs manpages-dev |
| 00:53.41 | Witch-King | careta, that is what tasks and virtual packages are for i think |
| 00:53.48 | abrotman | uh .. no? |
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| 00:54.22 | abrotman | thinks apt-cache is lying |
| 00:54.27 | themill | abrotman: umm... "suggests"... |
| 00:54.40 | abrotman | themill: apt-cache rdepends manpages-dev |
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| 00:55.09 | rouslan_ | If I install a package to a LiveUSB-minimal, will changes be lost when rebooted? |
| 00:55.16 | rouslan_ | And how do I prevent this? |
| 00:55.19 | redex | Can i make bootable fashdrive so i can install debian from CD size iso? not netinstall? |
| 00:55.43 | themill | abrotman: rdeps includes suggests, doesn't it? |
| 00:55.45 | abrotman | redex: you could .. but why? |
| 00:55.54 | abrotman | themill: that would uh .. not make sense with the name ? |
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| 00:56.00 | redex | i have to install debian on netbook withoun internet |
| 00:56.01 | redex | =d |
| 00:56.05 | redex | without* |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.09 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.11 | UnNamed | themill: it does, but marks them as suggests |
| 00:56.24 | abrotman | redex: okay .. so what will you do with it after CD1 is installed ? |
| 00:56.48 | redex | well minmal install or something? |
| 00:57.00 | abrotman | redex: why not just fix the internet on it ? |
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| 00:57.08 | redex | its impossable atm |
| 00:57.11 | themill | UnNamed: you explain why gcc is in the output of "apt-cache rdepends manpages-dev" then :) |
| 00:57.26 | abrotman | redex: impossible ? |
| 00:57.40 | abrotman | themill: i'm not crazy .. right ? |
| 00:57.49 | UnNamed | themill: oops, sorry, mixing outputs |
| 00:57.52 | abrotman | about this i mean |
| 00:58.02 | UnNamed | themill: depends marks things fine |
| 00:58.15 | themill | abrotman: it's there, but rdeps includes suggests. A Suggests is still a dependency, it's just not a very tight one. |
| 00:58.21 | UnNamed | apt-cache depends gcc -> Suggests: manpages-dev |
| 00:58.25 | abrotman | UnNamed: apt-cache rdepends manpages-dev ; apt-cache depends gcc |
| 00:58.41 | abrotman | themill: that doesn't make sense |
| 00:59.28 | themill | abrotman: why not? If you're going to break a package, you need to tell/fix all packages related to it whether they be related by depends, recommends or suggests. |
| 00:59.37 | careta | abrotman i have gcc installed a long time ago but it didn't install any manpages-dev |
| 00:59.44 | abrotman | but it's not a Depends .. i could safely remove manpages-dev without removing gcc |
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| 01:00.52 | redex | internet is not accessible on that netbook currently. is there something that i can install via 4gb flash drive? |
| 01:00.59 | careta | how about my patterns suggestion? do you think its useful? |
| 01:01.05 | themill | abrotman: rdepends has a different function to what you normally use it for, it would seem. |
| 01:01.12 | abrotman | redex: you can do CD1 .. |
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| 01:01.17 | abrotman | themill: eh? |
| 01:01.20 | themill | careta: you could suggest a "Development" task or similar for tasksel, I guess. |
| 01:01.27 | abrotman | redex: i'm confused why you can't fix the wifi |
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| 01:01.57 | careta | yes themill that would be a good idea |
| 01:02.10 | careta | i'll do it through reportbug |
| 01:02.11 | redex | thers no wifi and i cant disconnect current pc form internet =] |
| 01:03.01 | slope | Hi, I'm on a new install of Squeeze. On Lenny I could type "aptitude install reve" and it would autocomplete to "revelation" when pressing tab. How can I do this for Squeeze as well? |
| 01:03.06 | abrotman | themill: rdepends does not imply suggests |
| 01:03.22 | MAd_haTTer | slope: you using bash? |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | redex: ah .. so there's no AP .. you should have said "there's no wifi available" |
| 01:03.33 | slope | MAd_haTTer: I'm using gnome-terminal |
| 01:03.34 | MAd_haTTer | oh, do it via sudo |
| 01:03.44 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: how would sudo help ? |
| 01:04.02 | MAd_haTTer | $5 bux says sudo apti... will work |
| 01:04.08 | redex | where can i get proper boot.img? |
| 01:04.10 | themill | MAd_haTTer: wtf? |
| 01:04.12 | themill | slope: install bash-completion |
| 01:04.12 | MAd_haTTer | dont know why but it does |
| 01:04.13 | abrotman | so five dollar bux ? |
| 01:04.23 | MAd_haTTer | am i right? are you root |
| 01:04.45 | MAd_haTTer | abrotman: you got me, a typo on irc |
| 01:04.56 | MAd_haTTer | pretents to hang his head in shame |
| 01:05.03 | abrotman | pretends? |
| 01:05.20 | MAd_haTTer | pun intented ? |
| 01:05.32 | slope | It actually works with sudo |
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| 01:05.43 | MAd_haTTer | bamn |
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| 01:05.48 | MAd_haTTer | 2 points |
| 01:05.49 | MAd_haTTer | ty |
| 01:05.53 | praecox | hi, anyone here familiar with xen? |
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| 01:06.00 | MAd_haTTer | i have no idea who... but it does.. |
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| 01:06.12 | redex | net install boot image makes only 200mb of space aviable |
| 01:06.30 | slope | This seems familiar. I think I had to go through the same thing on Lenny and sudo worked then too. |
| 01:06.33 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: not here it doesn't |
| 01:06.34 | _SKiTZO | i am reading an example where a guy sets up a loopback device for an image file with a partitiontable in it and after that he is able to refer to /dev/mapper/loop0p1 through /dev/mapper/loop0p4 |
| 01:06.43 | _SKiTZO | but in my debian there is no /dev/mapper dir |
| 01:06.57 | _SKiTZO | how can i reach those partitions otherwise? |
| 01:07.02 | themill | abrotman: rdepends does what I would expect here. If I were (say) changing the name of manpages-dev to something much more sensible (like a -doc package!) then all packages declaring any relationship to manpages-dev need to be fixed. So I need to know all packages that Depend, Recommend or Suggest on manpages-dev to fix them. Hence rdepends is in the policy §7.2 sense of the word "depends". |
| 01:07.27 | MAd_haTTer | must be that " "non-trivial" installation of your ;) |
| 01:07.49 | MAd_haTTer | abrotman: ^ ;) |
| 01:08.06 | abrotman | i wasn't the one that made that comment |
| 01:08.33 | abrotman | and it still doesn't work |
| 01:08.36 | MAd_haTTer | well it still dounded good.. |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | takes his five dollar bux back |
| 01:08.49 | MAd_haTTer | funny |
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| 01:14.26 | slope | This line as su solved my problem. I had already tried it (found it while stfw) but didn't realize I needed to log out and then back in: echo '. /etc/bash_completion' >> ~/.bashrc |
| 01:15.15 | UnNamed | slope: you can run . /etc/bash_completion and no need to logout ;] |
| 01:15.52 | slope | UnNamed: does that command start with dot space? |
| 01:16.29 | UnNamed | slope: yes, and it is the same than "source /etc/bash_completion" |
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| 01:17.22 | slope | UnNamed: I'll try to remember that! |
| 01:17.31 | UnNamed | slope: source filename [arguments] |
| 01:17.54 | UnNamed | slope: if you search source in the bash man page, it mention the dot |
| 01:18.19 | blurry | . |
| 01:18.30 | blurry | huh. |
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| 01:19.11 | slope | UnNamed: ah bash, that's why man source didn't give me anything |
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| 01:19.41 | UnNamed | slope: no, it is an internal cmd |
| 01:19.52 | Xenguy | wonders what offence blurry committed... |
| 01:20.21 | UnNamed | Xenguy: set mark by typing a dot |
| 01:20.38 | UnNamed | (guessing) |
| 01:20.51 | Xenguy | UnNamed: hrm, never heard of such a thing |
| 01:20.56 | themill | Trolling in here a while ago and was about to start again because we'd got bored of him trolling in #debian-offtopic. |
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| 01:20.58 | franki^ | for the noobs among us, wtf does that mean? :) |
| 01:21.10 | abrotman | franki^: does what mean ? |
| 01:21.24 | franki^ | abrotman: < UnNamed> Xenguy: set mark by typing a dot |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | ignore the whole thing |
| 01:21.36 | UnNamed | Xenguy: well, i think it was that, ages ago i remember something about this, so later people could look in scroll buffer where they left |
| 01:21.39 | Xenguy | themill: ahhh |
| 01:22.35 | MAd_haTTer | UnNamed: <3 |
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| 01:23.01 | MAd_haTTer | it is sad when there is nothing in the buffer but /j, /p |
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| 01:23.31 | themill | MAd_haTTer: no, that's good. That means that Debian is bug free and we can all relax for a while. |
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| 01:24.27 | UnNamed | MAd_haTTer: i still wonder why i had to run MAKEDEV by hand to get /dev/ram1 :] with kernel .30 it was not needed... any idea? ;] |
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| 01:27.59 | iluminator101 | how do i change eth0 to some like eth2 where can change settings for that? |
| 01:28.30 | abrotman | !70 |
| 01:28.31 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 01:29.14 | acu | I have a bunch of audio devices attached to a AMD64 Squeeze - a USB Samson, a USB Headphone and others - I want to record the desktop and sound and I do not know which device is the usb microphone samson is --- should it be some /device/audio0 or something like this ? How can I get that? |
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| 01:29.47 | acu | !paste |
| 01:29.47 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 01:32.16 | acu | here is the sndstat = can anyone help |
| 01:32.20 | acu | http://paste.debian.net/51431/ |
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| 01:35.01 | iluminator101 | how do i change eth0 to some like eth2 where can change settings for that |
| 01:36.13 | markybob | iluminator101, you need to listen better. and aptitude install ifrename |
| 01:37.11 | iluminator101 | ah |
| 01:37.15 | iluminator101 | thanks |
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| 01:38.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | iluminator101, also, abrotman answered that with the !70 |
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| 01:41.06 | iluminator101 | i am sorry, i went to get go garb beer |
| 01:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | so now we're supposed to excuse your alcohol abuse... |
| 01:44.54 | iluminator101 | its is beer that made man advance without the beer man would not advance this far |
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| 01:47.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it is man that made the beer advance |
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| 01:48.08 | markybob | CutMeOwnThroat, best to just let it go |
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| 01:49.19 | MorkBork | i dont think natural ice is an advancement |
| 01:49.48 | P4C0 | hello, is there a comand (on console) to check which init.d scripts will start on boot? (or by runlevel) |
| 01:50.52 | UnNamed | P4C0: check /etc/rcS.d/ and /etc/rcN.d/ where N are numbers 0-6 |
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| 01:51.28 | P4C0 | UnNamed: thanks |
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| 01:52.32 | UnNamed | P4C0: np (read the README inside ;] ) |
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| 01:54.56 | Boson | will iceweasel hit 3.5 soon or has it already? |
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| 01:55.20 | zinx | it's been in sid for a long time |
| 01:55.27 | zinx | i dunno about lenny/squeeze |
| 01:55.36 | themill | It will never be in lenny.... |
| 01:55.49 | Boson | why not? |
| 01:55.56 | Boson | isn't sid testing? |
| 01:56.07 | Boson | oh wait lenny is stable now |
| 01:56.13 | themill | quite |
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| 01:56.22 | UnNamed | sid is unstable, always |
| 01:56.30 | Boson | yeah, so I have squeeze, can i get it? |
| 01:56.41 | Boson | UnNamed: sid is always unstable? |
| 01:56.56 | UnNamed | Boson: apt-cache policy iceweasel |
| 01:57.13 | Boson | UnNamed: i thought it upgrades like sid will become stable eventually like lenny went from testing to stable |
| 01:57.32 | UnNamed | Boson: yes, sid has been always the name for unstable, new names are given for testing, which becomes stable later |
| 01:57.45 | Boson | i see |
| 01:58.04 | UnNamed | Boson: hhm... testing seems to use 3.0.14-1 yet |
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| 01:58.59 | ik3 | sid rulez |
| 01:58.59 | Boson | UnNamed: i saw this. |
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| 01:59.13 | Boson | ik3: but is it decently stable or does it have problem? |
| 01:59.16 | Boson | problems* |
| 01:59.34 | UnNamed | Boson: stability is more about versions than code |
| 01:59.47 | Boson | UnNamed: not always true but ok. |
| 01:59.54 | UnNamed | Boson: nothing warrantes no bugs in testing or stable |
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| 02:00.07 | UnNamed | Boson: well, some weeks sid can be tricky land |
| 02:00.09 | Boson | UnNamed: nothing warrents no bugs in anything. |
| 02:00.48 | UnNamed | Boson: i just use apt-listbugs, and delay updates if things look bad |
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| 02:01.22 | Boson | i see so it can be stable enough to use if you are smart about updating |
| 02:01.51 | UnNamed | Boson: yes, and if you notice the issue early, and downgrade what went wrong |
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| 02:03.31 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:03.31 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 02:04.09 | Boson | but firefox 3.5 is stable |
| 02:04.12 | UnNamed | abrotman: i guess i fall into tester (upgrade, notice something wrong, report, downgrade if important functionality) |
| 02:04.17 | Boson | how come they dont push it to testing? |
| 02:04.23 | debiantonio | !sidux |
| 02:04.23 | dpkg | hmm... sidux is a live distribution <based on Debian> Sid, with a special focus on clean and easy hard disk installation. It is <OT> in #debian. Please /join #sidux on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:04.23 | abrotman | Boson: because it has bugs |
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| 02:04.29 | abrotman | !why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 02:04.29 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 02:04.32 | Boson | abrotman: i never noticed any |
| 02:04.40 | abrotman | Boson: that doesn't mean they don't exist |
| 02:05.06 | tensorpudding | iceweasel has plenty of bugs |
| 02:05.45 | Boson | abrotman: so these are iceweasel bugs and not actually firefox bugs |
| 02:05.48 | abrotman | Boson: and unstable isn't really for a casual user |
| 02:06.08 | tensorpudding | no, these bugs are probably in firefox too |
| 02:06.09 | Boson | im not really a casual user. |
| 02:06.11 | abrotman | Boson: no.. it means that there are bugs .. they may exist in both (it may also mean it doesn't build correctly somewhere) |
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| 02:06.25 | abrotman | Boson: so you know how to edit your dpkg status file to correct issues ? |
| 02:06.35 | Boson | tensorpudding: all i can see is some stupid depends for iceweasel. |
| 02:06.52 | Boson | tensorpudding: which the depends make no sense. |
| 02:07.19 | UnNamed | Boson: xul is iceweasel guts |
| 02:07.30 | Boson | i understand that |
| 02:07.32 | tensorpudding | well, i wouldn't know about that, i don't have iceweasel installed here |
| 02:07.53 | Boson | tensorpudding: you an opera user? |
| 02:07.58 | tensorpudding | no, chrome |
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| 02:08.09 | Boson | chrome on linux with wine? |
| 02:08.26 | tensorpudding | chrome development alpha for linux |
| 02:08.38 | Boson | there is a chrome for linux dev now? |
| 02:08.43 | tensorpudding | yes |
| 02:09.05 | Boson | about time |
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| 02:09.19 | markybob | Boson, been for a long time. http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/snapshots/ |
| 02:09.21 | jpinx-eeepc | there's been chrome for linux for a while now |
| 02:09.22 | craigevil | google-chrome-unstable 4.0.237.0-r31086, still not as fast or as stable as firefox |
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| 02:09.42 | jpinx-eeepc | latest one has trouble with tas I hear..... |
| 02:09.52 | jpinx-eeepc | *tabs |
| 02:10.04 | Boson | i thought chromium was just wine and chrome? |
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| 02:10.11 | Boson | thats what it use to be |
| 02:10.11 | markybob | Boson, no |
| 02:10.46 | tensorpudding | it's finished enough you can use it |
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| 02:11.31 | tensorpudding | craigevil: on my machine, it is both |
| 02:11.52 | tensorpudding | chromium is different than chrome, i thought |
| 02:12.00 | Boson | it is |
| 02:12.08 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - I used it for a while, but it's not that good yet.~ |
| 02:12.15 | markybob | my 4.0.2450.0 (31762) kicks the ass out of firefox |
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| 02:12.33 | jpinx-eeepc | markybob: really? that's interesting.... |
| 02:12.44 | tensorpudding | to say that chrome is stable, is not quick right, but it's at least competitive in that regard with iceweasel |
| 02:12.49 | tensorpudding | quite* |
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| 02:13.10 | tensorpudding | chrome is significantly faster than firefox, especially to start |
| 02:13.15 | jpinx-eeepc | will take a look at chrome again.... |
| 02:13.21 | markybob | it's more stable than iceweasel. flash crash fucks iceweasel...chromium catches it and just stops that tab |
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| 02:13.39 | jpinx-eeepc | it's not starting that is the troble as much as over use of resoucrces |
| 02:13.44 | Boson | how do i get apt to list bugs? |
| 02:13.45 | markybob | not just to start, but close, as well. |
| 02:13.48 | tensorpudding | flash crashes on chrome sometimes, but it doesn't crash chrome, it just stops flash running for a bit, and gives an error |
| 02:14.02 | tensorpudding | you have to specifically enable plugins |
| 02:14.20 | markybob | tensorpudding, no. plugins are default in linux now |
| 02:14.24 | tensorpudding | really? |
| 02:14.30 | tensorpudding | maybe i'll toss my script |
| 02:14.45 | jpinx-eeepc | cool - it *has* made progress |
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| 02:14.54 | markybob | tensorpudding, yes. my company provides chromium msi's among other things...i'm aware of its progress :) |
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| 02:15.25 | tensorpudding | i'm talking about chrome |
| 02:15.26 | UnNamed | Boson: install apt-listbugs, then apt-get "some command that gets new things" will check for knonw bugs and ask before continuing |
| 02:15.30 | jpinx-eeepc | notes markybob 's interest ;) |
| 02:15.44 | markybob | tensorpudding, it's enabled by default in both |
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| 02:17.39 | craigevil | markybob: thats why i run firefox and not iceweasel, its doesnt tend to crash every time you sneeze plus its faster and uses 50% of the ram/cpu that iceweasel does |
| 02:18.01 | jpinx-eeepc | uses swiftfox |
| 02:18.11 | tensorpudding | i thought that iceweasel was just firefox repackaged |
| 02:18.19 | markybob | craigevil, you'll be really amazed with chromium. it doesnt even compare |
| 02:18.46 | craigevil | supposedly but they do something to that causes flash to crash and it uses more resources than firefox 3.5.5 does |
| 02:19.00 | tensorpudding | but it's not just that chrome is faster and stabler than iceweasel, but i prefer chrome's ui |
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| 02:19.12 | jpinx-eeepc | maybe there is at last a decent browser :) |
| 02:19.19 | markybob | tensorpudding, so use it. |
| 02:19.21 | abrotman | tensorpudding: mostly IW is FF repackaged .. but there are fixes and debian-izatoins |
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| 02:19.46 | tensorpudding | also, webkit is a pretty great renderer |
| 02:19.59 | tensorpudding | and everyone seems to be using it nowadays |
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| 02:20.03 | craigevil | markybob: i have the latest google chrome and opera beta, still prefer firefox, when they others have the extensions that i use in firefox they will be worth using rather than just playing with |
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| 02:20.36 | tensorpudding | well, there is the fact that firefox still has the most plugin support |
| 02:20.42 | tensorpudding | but i never used any plugins |
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| 02:21.02 | markybob | tensorpudding, no...most extension support. chrome/chromium supports firefox's plugins |
| 02:21.14 | tensorpudding | how is that possible? |
| 02:21.18 | markybob | which are netscape plugins |
| 02:21.23 | orak3l | i have installed quite a lot packages with apt-get build-deb mplayer. now i dont need them anymore. is there a way to remove them all with just one command? |
| 02:21.28 | tensorpudding | oh, extensions |
| 02:21.30 | tensorpudding | vs. plugins |
| 02:21.32 | markybob | tensorpudding, because it's an open standard |
| 02:21.32 | tensorpudding | fine |
| 02:21.42 | tensorpudding | i was thinking of extensions |
| 02:22.15 | tensorpudding | the one extension i ever used was tree-style tabs |
| 02:22.46 | jpinx-eeepc | needs flashblocker and noscripts |
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| 02:24.58 | ik3 | is there any notable difference if i use the amd64 kernel as x86_64 with less than 4 gb of ram? |
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| 02:26.18 | abrotman | ik3: huh ? |
| 02:26.54 | cipherz | anyone that can help me with openswan ? |
| 02:27.06 | UnNamed | ik3: more registers instead of the limited set of 32 bit x86? |
| 02:27.07 | abrotman | orak3l: no, not easily |
| 02:27.39 | abrotman | ik3: are oyu using the i386 version instead of the amd64 version ? |
| 02:28.07 | orak3l | abrotman, thank you the answer. so how can i at least list them all again for manual removal? |
| 02:28.08 | ik3 | i have both jaunty on i386 and sid on amd64 |
| 02:28.24 | markybob | so happy for you |
| 02:28.45 | abrotman | orak3l: your /var/log/dpkg.log would have them i suppose |
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| 02:29.39 | ik3 | but i want to delete one of the partition and not sure what kernel version to choose |
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| 02:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | although I've not used grub2, I can answer so far: "depends" |
| 02:56.35 | macrobat | which is better: ddclient or ez-ipupdate? :D |
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| 02:59.25 | brsoft | im trying to sniff my port 80 while sending data to a online flash game. when I send data I find nothing in my logs. So i dont know how it communicates with server and what data it is sending. how can i sniff that? |
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| 03:09.37 | ajay | hi to all,is there any gui for man pages? |
| 03:10.11 | abrotman | you mean a GUI viewer ? |
| 03:10.20 | bluejeans | when trying to start compiz i get " checking for xgl: not present. | no whitelisted driver found." --what is xgl? i couldn't find any package by that name... |
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| 03:11.21 | abrotman | ajay: gman ? |
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| 03:14.32 | ajay | abrotman, thanks. |
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| 03:22.37 | keith4_ | is it bad to cache volatile.debian.org sources? |
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| 03:25.09 | ajay | what is difference between arm and armel debian distro? |
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| 03:25.20 | camlin | hello, I have question about ncurses problems |
| 03:25.26 | camlin | I'm running the latest debian |
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| 03:25.32 | camlin | and i'm following this tutorial: |
| 03:25.39 | camlin | http://www.writeka.com/ed/ncurses_library3.html |
| 03:25.52 | camlin | and when I copy and paste the code, it compiles just fine |
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| 03:26.02 | camlin | BUT, when I run it, I get a blank screen |
| 03:26.04 | abrotman | ajay: http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ |
| 03:26.14 | markybob | abrotman, too late |
| 03:26.14 | camlin | how could that happen? |
| 03:26.24 | keith4_ | camlin, what does that have to do with debian? |
| 03:26.27 | abrotman | markybob: he just joined again |
| 03:26.56 | camlin | I use debian, and its not a software problem so I have problem with my ncurses library |
| 03:27.00 | markybob | in that case, shit :P |
| 03:27.02 | camlin | and I have no idea how to fix it |
| 03:27.54 | markybob | ajay, arm eabi == armel |
| 03:28.10 | abrotman | camlin: that compiles for you ? |
| 03:28.10 | camlin | anyone? |
| 03:28.13 | camlin | yes it does |
| 03:28.18 | camlin | with -lncurses |
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| 03:28.50 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 03:28.55 | pickcoder | bleh |
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| 03:29.17 | ajay | markybob, it means now arm is dropped and armel development goes on? |
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| 03:30.16 | camlin | anyone up for the ncurses problem? |
| 03:30.30 | abrotman | camlin: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NCURSES-Programming-HOWTO/helloworld.html .. that works here |
| 03:30.52 | keith4_ | camlin, do any other ncurses apps work as expected? |
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| 03:31.59 | camlin | yes irssi works |
| 03:32.31 | camlin | so, it must be the code? |
| 03:32.32 | abrotman | camlin: does that URL code work ? |
| 03:32.36 | camlin | yes |
| 03:32.38 | camlin | it does |
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| 03:34.26 | abrotman | blames camlin's code! |
| 03:34.47 | camlin | I didn't write that code! |
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| 03:35.00 | abrotman | you stole it?! |
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| 03:35.27 | abrotman | ajay: fix your internet |
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| 03:38.17 | camlin | okay, new problem |
| 03:38.23 | camlin | when I do bold, it turns out blue |
| 03:38.31 | abrotman | wait .. you fixed the other stuff ? |
| 03:38.35 | camlin | no |
| 03:38.38 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:38.41 | camlin | somethings wrong with the code |
| 03:38.54 | camlin | and when I underline bold, it turns light blue |
| 03:39.03 | markybob | something's wrong with your mama |
| 03:39.06 | camlin | how do I change my console? (like vt100) |
| 03:39.52 | pickcoder | export TERM=<term device alias> |
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| 03:40.20 | camlin | okay |
| 03:40.26 | camlin | still no difference |
| 03:40.27 | camlin | :( |
| 03:40.33 | camlin | I think ncurses just doesn't like me |
| 03:40.47 | \amethyst | camlin: are you running this in the console, or in a terminal emulator? |
| 03:40.51 | camlin | console |
| 03:40.57 | camlin | no GUI, computer too slow |
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| 03:42.26 | camlin | even in vt100, the same thing happens with bold and underline |
| 03:42.33 | abrotman | camlin: FWIW .. it doesn't work for me |
| 03:42.33 | \amethyst | camlin: you won't be able to get underline in the console |
| 03:42.40 | camlin | oh |
| 03:42.42 | camlin | :( |
| 03:42.45 | camlin | I didn't know that |
| 03:42.47 | camlin | thanks |
| 03:42.54 | pickcoder | in ANSI you can |
| 03:42.58 | camlin | oh |
| 03:42.59 | camlin | wait |
| 03:43.11 | \amethyst | camlin: btw, the thing you originally pasted works if I add a refresh() before the newwin() |
| 03:43.19 | abrotman | pickcoder: quit bragging :) |
| 03:43.36 | camlin | so can I do export TERM=ANSI |
| 03:43.41 | camlin | to get an ANSI terminal? |
| 03:43.41 | pickcoder | I never mentioned Wyse60... |
| 03:44.16 | camlin | yes or no? |
| 03:44.19 | \amethyst | camlin: no, TERM is just there to tell terminfo/curses what your terminal is capable of |
| 03:44.20 | pickcoder | camlin: yeah |
| 03:44.39 | pickcoder | if you're at the physical console it should work |
| 03:44.40 | \amethyst | camlin: changing it doesn't change what your terminal is capable of, just what curses thinks it's capable of |
| 03:44.51 | camlin | oh |
| 03:44.52 | camlin | ah |
| 03:44.54 | pickcoder | otherwise your term emu has to support it |
| 03:44.57 | pickcoder | and 99.9% of them do |
| 03:45.05 | camlin | I don't have a termnial emulator |
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| 03:45.08 | pickcoder | whether or not they emulate it properly is another story |
| 03:45.08 | \amethyst | pickcoder: you get underlining in the console? |
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| 03:45.12 | camlin | I'm working directly on console |
| 03:45.19 | pickcoder | if you send the correct escape code you can |
| 03:45.24 | \amethyst | pickcoder: are you using a fb console? |
| 03:45.38 | pickcoder | typically, yeah |
| 03:45.43 | \amethyst | ah |
| 03:46.13 | pickcoder | no one has gotten Wyse60 right on Linux yet |
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| 03:46.24 | \amethyst | in VGA I get a light blue foreground for 'underline' |
| 03:46.31 | \amethyst | you used to get blinking |
| 03:46.33 | \amethyst | iirc |
| 03:46.43 | pickcoder | Wyse60 lets you overlap all of those |
| 03:46.44 | \amethyst | VGA text mode that is |
| 03:46.46 | pickcoder | :) |
| 03:46.58 | pickcoder | blinking underline with reverse video |
| 03:47.05 | pickcoder | talk about annoying |
| 03:47.11 | \amethyst | I doubt camlin has a serial terminal |
| 03:47.13 | pickcoder | then add a char(7) to it every second |
| 03:48.17 | abrotman | FWIW, the code doesn't work in xterm either |
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| 03:48.28 | abrotman | xterm on squeeze |
| 03:48.42 | \amethyst | abrotman: it appears to need a refresh() before creating the window |
| 03:48.50 | abrotman | tries |
| 03:49.24 | abrotman | isn't that what wrefresh() is ? |
| 03:49.30 | \amethyst | wrefresh(vin) refreshes the window... apparently you need to refresh stdscr too |
| 03:49.47 | abrotman | \amethyst: ah .. yes it works |
| 03:49.54 | \amethyst | ah, the refresh() can be anywhere |
| 03:50.00 | camlin | where is the pastebin? |
| 03:50.03 | SnakDoc | what command can i use to see what /dev is my modem ? |
| 03:50.05 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 03:50.31 | pickcoder | SnakDoc: is it an external serial modem? |
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| 03:50.48 | camlin | http://paste.debian.net/51433/ <- that's my code |
| 03:50.50 | SnakDoc | pickcoder: 00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801AA AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 02) |
| 03:51.11 | SnakDoc | pickcoder: thats what lspci shows |
| 03:51.12 | pickcoder | SnakDoc: dmesg should tell you which serial port it's on |
| 03:51.21 | camlin | and stuff starts blinking once its running |
| 03:51.23 | camlin | why? |
| 03:51.29 | SnakDoc | pickcoder: how that work never used it |
| 03:51.37 | \amethyst | camlin: you included extra linenumbers in your paste |
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| 03:52.11 | camlin | I know, I can't help it sorry |
| 03:52.14 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrr |
| 03:52.16 | SnakDoc | pickcoder: think i should | grep for modem |
| 03:52.40 | grendal_prime | two problems...one i got a file i cant delete because it aparently does not exist? It is there though |
| 03:52.50 | grendal_prime | is there a way to unlink it or something? |
| 03:52.52 | camlin | going to sleep |
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| 03:52.56 | pickcoder | dmesg | grep ttyS |
| 03:52.56 | camlin | tata world! |
| 03:53.48 | grendal_prime | also..i have a dir im trying to rsync that has a frigging space in it..(stupid developers) and i cant figer how to get rsync to write the dirname with a space in it. |
| 03:53.50 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: did you try tab autocomplete to see if there's an extended char in the name? |
| 03:54.04 | grendal_prime | ..good idea..thanks |
| 03:54.11 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: is this a remote or local directory? |
| 03:54.58 | grendal_prime | remote |
| 03:55.34 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: you need --protect-args or extra backslashes on the space |
| 03:56.10 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: search man rsync for the string quoted spaces |
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| 03:57.40 | grendal_prime | thanks man |
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| 03:59.28 | grendal_prime | weird |
| 03:59.40 | grendal_prime | the file i cant delete has these perms -rwxrwSrwx |
| 03:59.53 | grendal_prime | its on a cifs server |
| 03:59.57 | grendal_prime | screw it.. |
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| 04:00.02 | grendal_prime | they can delete it tomorro |
| 04:00.23 | pickcoder | just cat /dev/zero to it |
| 04:00.25 | pickcoder | heh |
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| 04:00.35 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: what are the dir permissions? |
| 04:01.00 | \amethyst | and is the cifs server backed by a Unix filesystem or by e.g. NTFS? |
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| 04:02.02 | Xc0re | is away: Sleep. |
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| 04:04.08 | silverstar01 | How do I change value of eth0 to eth02 in my server? |
| 04:04.40 | grendal_prime | \amethyst: ya it was the dir perms...werid...its dead..gone now |
| 04:04.41 | markybob | really? two of these guys in two hours? |
| 04:04.45 | grendal_prime | i think it was a cifs thing |
| 04:04.48 | markybob | silverstar01, ifrename |
| 04:05.09 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: it's a unix thing that you must be able to write to the directory to remove files contained therein |
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| 04:05.36 | grendal_prime | its gone |
| 04:05.39 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 04:05.40 | silverstar01 | whats that, i am kind of new to unix |
| 04:05.59 | grendal_prime | ok so basically pathwithspace\ thatwasthespace |
| 04:06.04 | grendal_prime | somthing like that? |
| 04:06.43 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: well, you need to protect it from the shell as well |
| 04:07.01 | silverstar01 | markybob:Error: Can't open configuration file `/etc/iftab': No such file or directory |
| 04:07.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | markybob: isnt the done thing to hack the udev rules? or does ifrename play with them? |
| 04:07.17 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: there are two levels of interpretation here, one in the shell you're running rsync in, and another by rsync or the remote shell |
| 04:07.22 | Xenguy | silverstar01: AFAIK ifrename is now deprecated, so you need to use udev |
| 04:07.34 | Xenguy | !tell silverstar01 about 70 |
| 04:07.43 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: so rsync -r localthing host:'path\ with\ spaces' |
| 04:08.08 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: the ' ' to protect it from the local shell, and the \ to protect it from rsync and the remote shell |
| 04:08.15 | grendal_prime | ya i had the ''s already |
| 04:08.19 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: ah |
| 04:08.19 | grendal_prime | but not the slash. |
| 04:08.23 | \amethyst | grendal_prime: scp has similar issues |
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| 04:08.42 | grendal_prime | ill give that a shot |
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| 04:13.24 | silverstar01 | something fishy about this cache <local> iif eth0, how would disable this?? |
| 04:15.42 | silverstar01 | i am not sure how to use udev |
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| 04:23.11 | jimmybgood | silverstar01: welcome to the club, maybe try http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
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| 04:25.20 | Xenguy | jimmybgood: nice |
| 04:29.13 | silverstar01 | how do i move up and down in vim |
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| 04:30.05 | pickcoder | silverstar01: make sure you have the full version of vim install |
| 04:30.17 | pickcoder | vim-tiny is installed by default and is a bit quirky |
| 04:30.29 | silverstar01 | ah |
| 04:34.59 | \amethyst | you can move around with the arrow keys but you need to do :set nocompatible first or create an (even empty) ~/.vimrc |
| 04:35.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | vim-tiny is a bit vi-ish for my liking |
| 04:35.35 | silverstar01 | is vim-gnome the full version? |
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| 04:36.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | yeah. |
| 04:36.10 | silverstar01 | k thanks |
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| 04:39.05 | acutedeath | hi amalthaa |
| 04:39.10 | amalthaa | hello |
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| 04:40.28 | silverstar01 | i think some prick on my network is trying to snoop on my packets cache <local> iif eth0 is that normal |
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| 05:20.04 | massmc | hello, how do I set up disk quota for my users? |
| 05:20.29 | massmc | eg. I want each user to have 1gig of diskspace |
| 05:22.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | massmc: try limits.conf and pam_limits |
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| 05:25.07 | catsup | pam_limits doesn't do disk quota |
| 05:25.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh well, guess i remembered wrong |
| 05:25.34 | catsup | that's handled by the fs through quotas associated with uids |
| 05:25.45 | massmc | kampasky, where do I find them |
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| 05:26.25 | erikja | !wlan |
| 05:26.26 | dpkg | Support for your wireless LAN device is dependent on the chipset within. Don't know what you have? Ask me about <what's my wireless>. Atheros: <atheros>, <madwifi>; Atmel: <atmel>; Broadcom: <b43>; Intel: <ipw2100>, <ipw2200>, <iwlwifi>, <iwlagn>; Intersil: <prism>; Ralink: <ralink>; Realtek: <rtl-wifi>; TI: <acx100>; ZyDAS: <zydas>. See also: <wlan howto>, <wpa>, <killswitch>, <wmaster0>, <wimax>. http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
| 05:26.41 | catsup | massmc: type apropos quota |
| 05:27.02 | erikja | !wlan edimax |
| 05:27.34 | massmc | catsup, that just returned with no remark |
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| 05:29.59 | catsup | massmc: try install package quota |
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| 05:30.53 | massmc | thats not in my main sources |
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| 05:31.07 | massmc | what source line to add for quotas? |
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| 05:36.54 | \amethyst | massmc: it should be in the main repository |
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| 05:37.06 | \amethyst | massmc: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=quota |
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| 05:40.58 | warinthepocket | http://alpha2delta.blogspot.com/ |
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| 05:42.45 | Shtl | hello all |
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| 05:43.39 | Shtl | which one is best method to copy folders containing many sub files to other media to avoid errors?? |
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| 05:49.52 | mjmt | Shtl: rsync |
| 05:50.11 | massmc | anyone know why my fluxbox-menu goes back to default after I install something.. I add things manually in it and they get ovewritten |
| 05:50.36 | massmc | cheers \amethyst will look at that now thanks |
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| 05:51.44 | Shtl | simple command? |
| 05:53.08 | mjmt | No, read the man page. |
| 05:53.51 | mjmt | There are gotchas, and you may not want to e.g. preserve uids. |
| 05:55.57 | mjmt | But rsync's awesome, esp. between media or over a network, since it avoids copying things that haven't changed. |
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| 06:16.07 | greenmang0 | !video chat server |
| 06:16.23 | greenmang0 | dpkg: debian video chat |
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| 06:54.03 | DogBoy | silverstar01, read the man page? |
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| 07:40.34 | jnewt | this is my first time trying to build using make or make install. the first part of the instructions i got for the no-ip client is "copy that binary to the build directory 'cp binaries/noip2-Linux noip2' if you do not have make and have an 1686. than it says the command make install will install it....can anyone clear this up a little. i just got make via apt, so now i have it, do i still need to copy binaries to some "specia |
| 07:40.34 | jnewt | l" directory? |
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| 07:47.32 | mjmt | jnewt: Well you've kind of answered your own question. Presumably you need to "cp binaries/noip2-Linux noip2" so that it's named the latter, then "make install" will take it from there. |
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| 07:51.11 | jnewt | i get this: # make install |
| 07:51.11 | jnewt | if [ ! -d /usr/local/bin ]; then mkdir -p /usr/local/bin;fi |
| 07:51.11 | jnewt | if [ ! -d /usr/local/etc ]; then mkdir -p /usr/local/etc;fi |
| 07:51.11 | jnewt | cp noip2 /usr/local/bin/noip2 |
| 07:51.12 | jnewt | /usr/local/bin/noip2 -C -c /tmp/no-ip2.conf |
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| 07:52.41 | jnewt | i forget sometimes.... |
| 07:52.43 | mjmt | Heh oops. |
| 07:53.02 | jnewt | i put it on #flood in case it didn't come through |
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| 07:53.58 | mjmt | Well unless there was a "Permission denied" in there somewhere, you're done. |
| 07:54.06 | jnewt | there was. |
| 07:54.12 | jnewt | and i ran as root |
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| 07:55.14 | jnewt | two permission denied errors, and one make:: command not found. |
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| 07:56.43 | mjmt | Did you get the "make: command not found" earlier in the same shell by any chance? You'll need to type "hash" or use a new shell, or it won't find it even though you've apt-get'd it since. |
| 07:57.28 | Shtl | Hello, i installed lenny on my machine from DVD.iso, now i want to add this iso which is on local drive to my synaptic, is that possible?? |
| 07:58.04 | jnewt | mjmt: i'll try a new shell |
| 07:59.30 | jnewt | hmm, less errors that time. |
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| 07:59.48 | greenmang0 | i just installed openfire 3.6.4 deb file on Debian Stable.. but i am not able to login to the admin console... |
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| 08:00.03 | greenmang0 | please help to sort this issue |
| 08:00.05 | jnewt | is there a place i can learn about how all of this works without getting too deep into compilers and gcc etc... |
| 08:00.10 | andreanadelphon | greenmang0: what happens when you try to login? |
| 08:00.18 | mjmt | Shtl: You need to add it to /etc/apt/sources.list, there should be an example there already of the first disc you used. |
| 08:00.47 | greenmang0 | andreanadelphon: it says "make sure your username and password are correct and that you're an admin or moderator." |
| 08:01.07 | internat | greenmang0: are you using the usernae and password it told you during setup? |
| 08:01.27 | andreanadelphon | That happened to me, and I think restarting the daemon worked. |
| 08:01.39 | mjmt | jnewt: How are you invoking "make install"? |
| 08:01.42 | internat | from memory it was something like admin and openfire or openf1re |
| 08:01.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | jnewt: what are you tryuing to udo/understand? |
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| 08:02.09 | internat | might even be admin and admin |
| 08:02.20 | greenmang0 | andreanadelphon: oh... restarting worked... thanks :) |
| 08:02.21 | jnewt | mjmt: i don't know what you mean by "invoking", i just typed make install in the folder where i copied that file. |
| 08:02.28 | greenmang0 | internat: ^^ |
| 08:02.28 | andreanadelphon | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.59 | mjmt | And you're root? |
| 08:03.10 | jnewt | Kamping_Kaiser, i've been putting off installing a dynamic dns client because i have to build from binaries. i am giving it a whirl now, but no joy. |
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| 08:03.27 | jnewt | mjmt: yes, logged in as root with the new shell session |
| 08:03.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | jnewt: you can't use one of the packaged ones? |
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| 08:04.28 | mjmt | There's a package... now you tell me. |
| 08:04.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | 18:34:35 kgoetz@epicfail:~$apt-cache search dynamic dns |grep noip |
| 08:04.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | noip2 - client for dynamic DNS service |
| 08:04.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | jnewt: ^^ |
| 08:04.41 | jnewt | Kamping_Kaiser, I don't know, can I? i just got the download from no-ip.com, and went from there. |
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| 08:05.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | jnewt: 'apt-cache search no-ip' |
| 08:06.37 | jnewt | well that was much easier :) |
| 08:07.03 | jnewt | tx Kamping_Kaiser |
| 08:07.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | np. |
| 08:07.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | jnewt: you need to learn to search apt before trying source :) |
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| 08:08.00 | jnewt | assumption will kill time like no other. |
| 08:11.26 | mjmt | Just wait til you need to ./configure |
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| 08:18.49 | Shtl | mjmt: its there, but if i run apt-cdrom add, its waiting for CDROM |
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| 08:28.30 | krion | hi |
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| 08:46.55 | jaggz- | anyone know how to configure mice properly in debian's x11? I have a thinkpad with the touchpad and accupoint mouse, and an external USB mouse.. and I did some configuration on the buttons but now my left click of the USB mouse does weird stuff (I think it might be double clicking when I press single click).. and right-click of the accupoint mouse does a double-right click :( |
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| 08:48.34 | jaggz- | I don't get it because cat /dev/input/mouse0 does nothing, while 1 dumps garbage when I move the accupoint, and 2 when I move the USB mouse.. yet xorg.conf is setup for mouse0 as the touchpad.. and that works |
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| 08:50.29 | xyan | jaggz-: i think xorg uses the event interfaces /dev/input/eventX |
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| 08:51.55 | aaron_ | zsnes: error while loading shared libraries: libao.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 08:52.00 | aaron_ | how come i'm getting this error? |
| 08:52.22 | xyan | aaron_: you dont have libao in place? |
| 08:52.27 | aaron_ | yes i do |
| 08:52.36 | aaron_ | I'm trying to get this zsnes package working under amd 64 |
| 08:52.43 | aaron_ | I've been reading a lot in google but no answer yet |
| 08:52.52 | xyan | aaron_: it might want to have a 32bit lib? |
| 08:53.02 | aaron_ | perhaps |
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| 08:53.32 | aaron_ | but i don't know how to do it. though |
| 08:53.39 | aaron_ | that's why i've been searching for hours |
| 08:53.41 | xyan | aaron_: ldd the binary and figure out where its looking for it |
| 08:53.42 | aaron_ | and still no answer |
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| 08:53.52 | aaron_ | how? |
| 08:53.59 | xyan | command is "ldd" |
| 08:54.24 | aaron_ | ldd: missing file arguments |
| 08:54.51 | xyan | aaron_: ldd /path/to/znes/binary |
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| 08:55.40 | aaron_ | http://pastebin.ca/1669586 |
| 08:55.43 | aaron_ | there you go |
| 08:55.45 | jaggz- | event9 is the only one responding to a mouse.. the usb one triggers it |
| 08:56.15 | xyan | aaron_: it found the other libs in /usr/lib32 so thats the place where you should put the missing ones to |
| 08:56.29 | aaron_ | what do you mean xyan ?? |
| 08:56.53 | xyan | aaron_: download the 32bit debs, extract them and place the *.so files there |
| 08:56.58 | jaggz- | wonder where my touchpad goes |
| 08:56.59 | mjmt | jaggz-: I think you have both /dev/input/mice and one of the others added, hence generating more than one click of the buttons. |
| 08:57.09 | xyan | aaron_: you need libao and libGL |
| 08:57.17 | aaron_ | how do i do it? |
| 08:57.21 | aaron_ | sorry I'm lost xyan |
| 08:57.51 | jaggz- | oh... it's called IBM Trackpoint, not accupoint by the way.. sorry |
| 08:57.58 | xyan | aaron_: apt-cache search ia32 libao |
| 08:58.01 | xyan | aaron_: any results? |
| 08:58.07 | jaggz- | mjmt, you're right, thanks :) |
| 08:58.16 | aaron_ | no results |
| 08:58.28 | xyan | aaron_: then go to packages.debian.org and search for libao |
| 08:58.49 | xyan | aaron_: download the i386 version |
| 08:58.55 | jaggz- | but the touchpad is setup on mouse1, trackpoint on 'mice'.. trackpoint should be mouse1, and touchpad.. I don't know what device that is yet. |
| 08:59.08 | aaron_ | which one do i download |
| 08:59.11 | aaron_ | the dev? |
| 08:59.26 | xyan | aaron_: nooo, you want a compiled binary so libao not libao-dev |
| 08:59.33 | xyan | *library |
| 08:59.33 | mjmt | jaggz-: If you want to be sure which dev is which, there are the links under /dev/input/by-id/ |
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| 09:00.01 | aaron_ | xyan, done downloading the deb |
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| 09:00.03 | aaron_ | now what? |
| 09:00.11 | mjmt | They're named like usb-Logitech_Optical_USB_Mouse-mouse |
| 09:00.29 | xyan | aaron_: extract the downloaded .deb by using "ar xf nameof.deb" |
| 09:00.48 | xyan | aaron_: you get three files then, data.tar.gz holds what you need, so extract that |
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| 09:01.32 | aaron_ | okey |
| 09:01.35 | aaron_ | now what xyan |
| 09:01.38 | aaron_ | where do i put the files? |
| 09:01.44 | xyan | got that? extracted the data.tar.gz? |
| 09:02.16 | dome | I am using Sun VirtualBox and cannot get my resolution to change |
| 09:02.24 | aaron_ | yes |
| 09:02.29 | xyan | dome: install the vbox guest additions |
| 09:02.30 | jaggz- | weird.. only shows 2 |
| 09:02.30 | aaron_ | now where do i put those files? |
| 09:02.32 | dome | I have edited the xorg.conf file and rebooted |
| 09:02.48 | xyan | aaron_: the stuff in usr/lib/*.so should go to /usr/lib32/ |
| 09:04.07 | jaggz- | dome,you might be able to just restart X instead of rebooting |
| 09:04.28 | dome | ok |
| 09:05.37 | jaggz- | like I'm going to do right now :) |
| 09:06.06 | aaron_ | xyan, same error |
| 09:06.43 | xyan | aaron_: take a look at ldd again |
| 09:07.01 | xyan | aaron_: you might figure out that libGL is missing, which i told you before |
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| 09:07.32 | xyan | aaron_: if you still get libao missing then you didnt copy the libs properly |
| 09:08.20 | hoo-hah | where is the rxvt-unicode package for squeeze? |
| 09:08.25 | hoo-hah | can't find it in apt cache |
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| 09:15.05 | hoo-hah | guys, I just did a fresh debootstrap install of squeeze. |
| 09:15.06 | jetscreamer | hoo-hah: there's not one |
| 09:15.24 | jetscreamer | happens with some packages. it's in sid, and it's in stable. not testing. |
| 09:15.32 | hoo-hah | I've noticed that all console apps run fine, but the instant I launch say midori browser, I get a segfault message. the strace output is at http://gist.github.com/233690 |
| 09:15.37 | jetscreamer | use a backport or the stable version |
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| 09:16.06 | jetscreamer | !why is rxvt-unicode not in testing |
| 09:16.07 | dpkg | rxvt-unicode is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=rxvt-unicode |
| 09:16.16 | wohnout | Hello could you please help me. I need to list all packages which are not installed from stable |
| 09:16.19 | jetscreamer | went through this the other day with somebody else |
| 09:16.30 | hoo-hah | jetscreamer: the segfault issue? |
| 09:16.39 | jetscreamer | no the rxvt thing |
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| 09:17.22 | hoo-hah | jetscreamer: hm. I'm viewing the page through w3m. there's only 3 points of note, right? |
| 09:17.31 | hoo-hah | is point 2 close to completion? |
| 09:17.33 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 09:17.39 | jetscreamer | i just know it's not in testing |
| 09:17.45 | jetscreamer | use a backport or the stable version |
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| 09:22.19 | dome | xyan: How do I install the additions |
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| 09:24.08 | disc0rd | which jre should i install? |
| 09:24.14 | disc0rd | is sun-java6-jre ok? |
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| 09:24.25 | jetscreamer | !java |
| 09:24.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:24.34 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 09:24.51 | jetscreamer | the sun is transitioninig to gpl iirc |
| 09:24.55 | disc0rd | ah, i'mm running armel, not i386 |
| 09:25.23 | disc0rd | Linux lochnas 2.6.12.6-arm1 #31 Thu Mar 26 18:20:41 CST 2009 armv5tejl GNU/Linux |
| 09:25.44 | jetscreamer | i know nothing |
| 09:25.49 | disc0rd | hehe |
| 09:25.56 | dome | anyone know how to use Sun VirtualBox? |
| 09:26.12 | jetscreamer | but seems to me you shouldn't be able to apt-get install it if it wasn't for your arch? |
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| 09:26.23 | disc0rd | i've used virtualbox a bit |
| 09:26.28 | disc0rd | yeah, true |
| 09:26.39 | disc0rd | is it the jre package or the bin? |
| 09:27.00 | jetscreamer | the jre is the runtime iirc |
| 09:27.00 | axe | dome, yes |
| 09:27.12 | jetscreamer | !jre |
| 09:27.12 | dpkg | java is probably a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 09:27.13 | disc0rd | thanks |
| 09:27.19 | jetscreamer | heh same |
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| 09:33.30 | disc0rd | i keepreading that sun's jre is i386 and amd64 only... |
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| 09:34.38 | disc0rd | guess i'll try gij |
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| 09:35.21 | disc0rd | http://wiki.debian.org/Java is helpful :) |
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| 09:57.40 | dondon | my xorg logs are empty |
| 09:58.10 | dondon | it doesnt load keyboard / mouse on startup |
| 09:58.26 | dondon | so i kill the power (have no input) and when i restart there are 0 logs |
| 09:58.49 | dondon | is there a way to get out of X or a way to see Xorg logs given the circumstances |
| 09:59.38 | hackemate | hello, for some reason i lost everything in my harddisk, i have a new one, but i want to know if there is a program that recovers files from formated partition, or something like that |
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| 09:59.49 | hackemate | please, i know is my bad because i didnt backups, but... |
| 09:59.54 | axe | use magic sysrq |
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| 10:00.06 | hackemate | talking to me axe? |
| 10:00.19 | axe | hackemate, no |
| 10:00.22 | hackemate | ah |
| 10:01.07 | hackemate | i have tried testdisk or dd_rescue, but doesnt finds any deleted file, only copies the current |
| 10:01.20 | dondon | there was a really good presentation on data recovery at defcon two years ago. you can probably find the video somewhere |
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| 10:02.01 | hackemate | i thought data recovery were only for ntfs partitions |
| 10:02.13 | jaggz- | why did you lose everything on your hd? |
| 10:02.21 | saintk | Hi, i am a first time Kubuntu user, only have experiance with debian text versions. I am wondering, what does one use in Linux to have a RDP/VNC like solution ? |
| 10:02.50 | hackemate | no idea, my computer got down, when i turned on back, grub didnt find any partition |
| 10:03.04 | hackemate | saintk, this is debian? |
| 10:03.38 | jaggz- | if you have another system, hook the drive up as a 2nd drive to examine it. otherwise, install linux on your new drive or get a "system rescue cd" and boot into it to examine the drive |
| 10:03.53 | jaggz- | that's what I've done anyway. |
| 10:04.00 | saintk | hackemate: I only used text based version, this is the first time i use desktop and need a RDP/VNC like to connect to the desktop. |
| 10:04.26 | hackemate | jaggz-, the fact is i already lost those files in that partition |
| 10:04.36 | hackemate | i only can beg to some data recovery software |
| 10:04.50 | hackemate | but i dont find any |
| 10:04.51 | jaggz- | it's doubtful that you lost them in the manner you're saying.. unless the drive is actually dead itself.. |
| 10:05.01 | MorkBork | saintk, vnc works fine in linux anyway |
| 10:05.02 | hackemate | bios detects it |
| 10:05.08 | MorkBork | infact it was originally for unix |
| 10:05.45 | saintk | ah ok thanks MorkBork |
| 10:05.51 | simonrvn | dpkg: kbd+mouse broken |
| 10:05.51 | dpkg | In xorg.conf: Section "ServerFlags"\nOption "AllowEmptyInput" "false"\nOption "AutoAddDevices" "false"\nOption "AutoEnableDevices" "false"\nEndSection (\n == hit enter, don't type '\n') |
| 10:05.52 | MorkBork | but theres other things of course |
| 10:05.53 | jaggz- | http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
| 10:05.55 | MorkBork | theres x11 forwarding |
| 10:05.57 | MorkBork | through ssh |
| 10:06.04 | MorkBork | and you can do some crazy shit with x forwarding |
| 10:06.08 | simonrvn | ah fuck... |
| 10:06.18 | simonrvn | that was for dondon ... |
| 10:06.30 | jaggz- | boot from that and see if you can access the drive at all through its device in /dev/sda or whatever it is |
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| 10:13.15 | mikko | hello, i am seeing "Illegal instruction" bug mentioned in 161740 on x86_64 |
| 10:13.23 | mikko | with openssl, on debian lenny |
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| 10:14.59 | MorkBork | that bug is 7 years old |
| 10:15.01 | MorkBork | on a 32 bit k6-2 |
| 10:15.26 | mikko | yep, seeing same kind of symptoms on debian lenny on Xeon |
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| 10:15.54 | mikko | it also crashes GDB during debug session |
| 10:16.04 | disc0rd | how do i remove residual config with aptitude? |
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| 10:16.50 | WhiteCrow1 | hi guy's |
| 10:16.57 | hoo-hah | disc0rd: i usually go to Not-installed heading, and underscore |
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| 10:18.02 | disc0rd | that's what i've been doing, hoo-hah, was hoping i could just do it straight from commandline |
| 10:18.14 | WhiteCrow1 | i want know whats best video player for debian and whats firewall ? |
| 10:18.25 | redex | =D |
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| 10:18.43 | hoo-hah | WhiteCrow1: mplayer/xine/vlc, iptables |
| 10:19.12 | hoo-hah | WhiteCrow1: best frontend I've found for the latter is arnos iptables (not really a frontend, but configuration is easy) |
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| 10:19.25 | hoo-hah | Arno's |
| 10:19.31 | WhiteCrow1 | hoo-hah: hmmmmmm tnx dude |
| 10:19.57 | hoo-hah | welcome dude |
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| 10:21.53 | jaggz- | How is a newly-connected USB mouse supposed to communicate with X AND be configured properly? |
| 10:22.03 | jaggz- | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint#Configuration_using_the_X_server_.28old_Xorg_only.29 |
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| 10:22.33 | jaggz- | I guess I have to somehow configure it with "udev and hal" (?) and the X server will just "look" at dev/input/mice ? |
| 10:22.54 | jaggz- | in such a case, what goes in xorg.conf? |
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| 10:25.57 | aaron_ | hey what it's the name of the package libgl? |
| 10:25.59 | aaron_ | so i can download it |
| 10:26.18 | simonrvn | !search |
| 10:26.18 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 10:26.48 | aaron_ | !search libgl |
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| 10:27.02 | simonrvn | uh, not that way |
| 10:27.11 | simonrvn | try actually reading the factoid |
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| 10:29.44 | sinizzl | hai guise |
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| 10:30.06 | S1kx | whats the easiest virtual machine software for debian? |
| 10:30.11 | sinizzl | how do i close ports using iptables without them being shown as "filtered" when i nmap from another machine? I want them not to show up at all |
| 10:30.13 | S1kx | i want to be able to control the instances via VNC |
| 10:30.16 | S1kx | without alot of setup |
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| 10:31.46 | jaggz- | got it.. the url I pasted has a nice simple xorg.conf section at the bottom which works wonderfully.. |
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| 10:31.54 | jaggz- | no need for edev or hal in my case either |
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| 10:34.49 | simonrvn | jaggz-: yay |
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| 10:57.43 | S1kx | does virtualbox work on x64 too? |
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| 10:58.02 | Shadur | fails to see why it wouldn't |
| 10:58.27 | S1kx | ive read this article about it and it said VirtualBox is a general-purpose full virtualizer for x86 hardware. |
| 10:58.41 | karihre | it's running here on x64 |
| 10:58.42 | Flinxee | HI All! I have a very old Debian Woody server, that suddenly don't want to reboot. |
| 10:58.42 | Flinxee | I try to boot in single mode, but it constantly reports ReiserFS failures on the |
| 10:58.42 | Flinxee | root partition, and then Kernel panic... |
| 10:58.42 | Flinxee | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:58.42 | Flinxee | ReiserFS: sda2: warning Replay Failure, unable to mount |
| 10:58.42 | Flinxee | ReiserFS: sda2: warning sh-2022: reiserfs_fill_super: unable to initialize journal space |
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| 10:58.58 | themill | dpkg: tell Flinxee about paste |
| 10:58.59 | S1kx | alright ty |
| 10:59.55 | Shadur | Sounds like hardware failure. |
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| 11:03.17 | S1kx | karihre: did you install the package or did you download the .deb from virtualbox.org? |
| 11:03.32 | disc0rd | Flinxee: grab the seatools iso (only 2mb or so) and test the drive |
| 11:03.41 | karihre | S1kx: ah, actually, I'm not on debian ;) |
| 11:04.05 | S1kx | oh i see |
| 11:04.09 | karihre | S1kx: not with the virtualbox, but I am running 64 bit linux |
| 11:04.23 | karihre | so it answers the question "does it work?" :) |
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| 11:04.48 | S1kx | using the amd64 modules? |
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| 11:05.53 | karihre | S1kx: dunno, it's packaged for my distro |
| 11:05.56 | karihre | S1kx: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads |
| 11:06.01 | karihre | there is a debian section there |
| 11:06.03 | S1kx | alright ty |
| 11:06.10 | karihre | can't you just add it to your sources.list |
| 11:06.15 | karihre | and apt-get it |
| 11:06.17 | karihre | ? |
| 11:06.35 | karihre | seems to be as simple as that |
| 11:06.56 | S1kx | i can just use dpkg |
| 11:07.06 | karihre | or that |
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| 11:09.59 | Flinxee | disc0rd: Unfortunatelly I have IBM SCSI drives... As far as I know seatools only works with IDE and SATA drives... |
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| 11:12.09 | S1kx | karihre: cna i even use virtualbox without a graphical interface (x11)? since i'm installing it on a remote dedicated server |
| 11:12.19 | dmitry_ | Hi all! Anybody used weka? I try to use options it says, but it give error. weka -c weka.clusterers.SimpleKMeans -t input.arff gives invalid option |
| 11:12.46 | karihre | S1kx: don't know, I just run it on my workstation for testing purposes |
| 11:13.22 | karihre | S1kx: sorry to be of so little use :/ |
| 11:13.33 | S1kx | no problem, thanks for answering at all :D |
| 11:14.01 | karihre | :) np |
| 11:14.26 | S1kx | ahhh |
| 11:14.28 | S1kx | VBoxManage |
| 11:14.36 | S1kx | *swoooooosh* |
| 11:14.44 | karihre | a deam coming true? |
| 11:14.46 | karihre | dream |
| 11:14.57 | S1kx | big ass list of CLI commands |
| 11:15.04 | karihre | nice |
| 11:15.06 | S1kx | at least i'll have something to do for the next hour i guess |
| 11:15.10 | karihre | hah |
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| 11:35.11 | Melissa | Hey all, I've a good test of your WGET knowledge for you. Let's say you have want to run a script that will run through a web-comic archive (xkcd for example) and download just the images specific to comic. No image links et al, but you have no way to predict the name of said image file. You do know the url for the comics you want as they are all in numerical sequence. http://webcomic.com/1....infinity. Is there a way to do that, or do you have to p |
| 11:35.11 | Melissa | ost process it? |
| 11:36.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | Melissa: theres an xkcd snorting script on github |
| 11:36.09 | Melissa | (also before I get yelled at, I have sent an email to the server admin asking permission to bulk download, I'm awaiting a reply but I'd like to get this going BEFORE hand, in hopes of getting permission) |
| 11:36.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | Melissa: and curl would be a better choice for it, iir |
| 11:36.26 | Kamping_Kaiser | c |
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| 11:39.26 | heroxbd | Hey guys. I have come to a wired problem: I use vpnc, a client for cisco vpn deployed in my home institute. when I ssh over cisco vpn to a machine and use nano/vi/anything with a console ui ssh process freezes. tcpdump shows that every keystrokes i issued is processed and acked back. and if I use screen inside the ssh session, everything is fine. What could be the course? |
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| 11:41.05 | heroxbd | also using vnc protocol over that vpn gives only black display. But tcpdump shows the processes are interacting via the network. |
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| 11:42.07 | Melissa | Kamping_Kaiser, I'm reading through the curl man page right now. but again, I'm not seeing anything that would download just an image with an unknown name. I could do *.png but that would grab all the images off the site |
| 11:43.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | Melissa: i've not tried, i just know people have written xkcd slurpers |
| 11:44.53 | hark | Melissa: use wget comic.com/{1..n}.png ? |
| 11:45.21 | Melissa | Kamping_Kaiser, my eventual goal is more than just xkcd slurping, I like a lot of different web-comics and want to be able to have them available to me daily. Dailystrips is a no go for me as its not been updated in ages and the few other comic archivers I've found just don't work properly. |
| 11:46.08 | Melissa | hark, some comics (again xkcd as an example) use the title of the comic as the image name. |
| 11:47.26 | Melissa | so it would be http://xkcd.com/1...n for the whole page, but the image would be XYZ.png |
| 11:47.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | Melissa: i get them through rss, but i sympathise with your plan |
| 11:47.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | and some xkcd are png and some are gif |
| 11:48.02 | Melissa | ich....more troubles ensue! :P |
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| 11:48.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh wow, todays explsm... just... bad. |
| 11:48.48 | Melissa | I suppose though I could post process by stripping out any images that have the same name as another one previously downloaded. |
| 11:49.26 | hark | Melissa: the trouble with images is that on a page there may be others as well which are not the comic |
| 11:49.32 | hark | so you have to customize the script |
| 11:50.04 | Melissa | the best way I can think of to do it would be to grab the entire <div> out of the site. |
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| 11:51.13 | stefanos | I am running Debian Lenny as a guest on vmware server 2 (also Lenny), I need to expand the disk size of my guest. What would be the best way forward.. shutdown the guest, run vmware-vdiskmanager -x 16GB myDisk.vmdk from the host, then boot the guest into knoppix and use gparted? Not played with pertitioning since win3.11 does this sound about right? |
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| 11:53.19 | hark | see this, instead of mp3s you can do it for images. http://veen.com/jeff/archives/000573.html |
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| 12:02.41 | nyk2005 | I've got a strange problem. I'm trying to install a server through "redirection viewer" by americal megatrends (the bios guys). Now it accepts the ubuntu ISO image, but not the debian cd1 or netinstall. And I would so much prefer debian over ubuntu! |
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| 12:03.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: what is 'redirection viewer' ? |
| 12:04.26 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: it's KVM (keyboard viedeo mouse) client where you can mount an ISO image as virtual CD and then boot from that. |
| 12:05.01 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: and for the ubuntu image it just works. for the debian netinstall or cd1, I just get "invalid medium, insert bootable cd..". |
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| 12:05.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: odd. I can't think of a good reason for that |
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| 12:06.24 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: me neighter! are there others version/instances/builds of debian install cds? |
| 12:06.45 | nyk2005 | I tried debian-503-ia64-netinst.iso and debian-503-ia64-CD-1.iso. |
| 12:07.20 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: there's supposed to be one image smaller that the netinst, but I couldn't find it on debian.org |
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| 12:07.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: what sort of computer do you have? |
| 12:07.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | those are for itanium cpus |
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| 12:09.36 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: a server with a nehalem ia64 cpu |
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| 12:10.07 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: this isn't compatibe with nehalem? |
| 12:10.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: if nehalem is itanium - I've never heard of it |
| 12:10.35 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: so which image is for 64bit intel nehalem? |
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| 12:11.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: is it a C2D? |
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| 12:11.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | ah, i7 |
| 12:11.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | says wikipedia |
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| 12:11.28 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: c2d? |
| 12:11.29 | HektoR_ | hey guys .. i have 1 computer and 1 server in lan. i want to connect to server with ssh but i'm getting error: ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.3 port 22: Connection refused. how can i fix this ? |
| 12:11.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: try the amd64 isos |
| 12:11.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | HektoR_: install openssh-server |
| 12:12.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: core to duo (ignore that bit, i was randomly guessing) |
| 12:12.31 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: really? I also had the ubuntu amd64 isos working, but I thought that was wrong too... I can't really see the cpuinfo of that computer now, as it's waiting to get a working OS... |
| 12:12.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | HektoR_: on the server, obviously ;) |
| 12:12.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: I'd say so. |
| 12:13.02 | axe | intel nehalem != x64 |
| 12:13.22 | nyk2005 | axe: ? so don't use the amd64 image? |
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| 12:13.39 | nyk2005 | axe: or what to use for it? |
| 12:14.04 | axe | use it, but amd64 != x64 |
| 12:14.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | axe: where x64== itaniums? (your confusing me :/) |
| 12:14.38 | nyk2005 | axe: well I know that they're not the same, that why I not sure which one to use... |
| 12:15.14 | nyk2005 | axe: I just know nehalem is a 64bit intel CPU. and so I have ia64 and amd64 which support 64bit.. |
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| 12:15.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: my money is on amd64 |
| 12:15.52 | nyk2005 | axe: and because it's intel I used ia64...which didn't even boot! so even the bootloader used 64bit instructions?? |
| 12:16.49 | axe | nyk2005, amd64 is't 64bit architecture |
| 12:16.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: theyre both 64 bit, but completely different instruction sets |
| 12:17.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | axe: how so? |
| 12:17.15 | valdyn | !ia64 |
| 12:17.16 | dpkg | [ia64] (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's <amd64>. |
| 12:17.34 | nyk2005 | axe: amd64 isn't 64bit? |
| 12:17.42 | nyk2005 | I'm confused.. |
| 12:17.54 | valdyn | amd64 is 64-bit for you |
| 12:18.06 | HektoR_ | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks but when i'm trying to install something with 'apt-get install ' i'm also getting error : package has no installation candidate... |
| 12:18.06 | valdyn | just not physically, but who gives a fuck |
| 12:18.17 | axe | valdyn, thanks. my knowledge of english is bad. I can't explain them this. |
| 12:18.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | HektoR_: do you have apt sources other then the cd enabled? |
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| 12:19.05 | nyk2005 | valdyn: ok, I see! but mostly I care that it can address all the 80gb of RAM! |
| 12:19.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | bloody hp didn't make shit, they gave intel some alpha specs and let them run <whinge> |
| 12:19.18 | HektoR_ | Kamping_Kaiser: I just deleted CD repositoryies from source.list , because i want to download from internet |
| 12:19.22 | valdyn | nyk2005: well, you cant address 80G of ram |
| 12:19.32 | nyk2005 | valdyn: why not? |
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| 12:19.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | HektoR_: did you put in the lines for hte 'net based servers? in which case `sudo apt-get update` and try installing again |
| 12:20.12 | valdyn | nyk2005: you cant even *have* 80gb ram on amd64 |
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| 12:20.31 | nyk2005 | valdyn: well it's a nehalen, not amd64 |
| 12:20.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | doesnt amd64 have a 48bit address space? |
| 12:20.41 | nyk2005 | I mean with an "m" |
| 12:20.41 | valdyn | nyk2005: thats amd64 |
| 12:20.44 | HektoR_ | Kamping_Kaiser: no... result is same.. can you share working sources.list ? |
| 12:21.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | !default sources |
| 12:21.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | !sources.list |
| 12:21.33 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 12:21.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | HektoR_: ^^ |
| 12:22.13 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: YESSS! the amd64 image boots!!! ahhhh the joy! |
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| 12:22.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: \o/ (Debian iso naming claims another victem :)) |
| 12:22.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | *victim |
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| 12:23.06 | heroxbd | ok... the vpn problem is just a bad old MTU problem.. |
| 12:23.51 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: yeah, or maybe more the great variety of CPUs available today... all I really know is still intel 8080 :) |
| 12:23.53 | axe | Kamping_Kaiser, it's not a debian naming problem |
| 12:24.13 | nyk2005 | axe: yeah, it's me not knowing about all CPUs... |
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| 12:25.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | axe: oh? |
| 12:25.41 | new2life | hi guys. I've been told time and time again that it was dangerous to mix releases, but I'm facing dismal performance from my new ati hd4850 card in Squeeze, that I'm considering using unstable packages. Have any of you gone this route before, and care to sahre the details? |
| 12:26.25 | new2life | I'd enable unstable in sources.list, but I want to make sure only a select few packages from unstable makes its way into my computer (avoid unstable updates taking priority) |
| 12:26.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | !pinning |
| 12:26.43 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 12:26.45 | HektoR_ | Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks... I'll try now |
| 12:26.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | new2life: ^^ |
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| 12:26.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | HektoR_: feel free to pastebin your sources.list and get us to look at it |
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| 12:30.18 | new2life | Kamping_Kaiser: are backports only useful for unstable packages on stable release? |
| 12:30.23 | new2life | or would testing benefit? |
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| 12:30.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | new2life: afaik backports are only done to stable |
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| 12:31.49 | nyk2005 | How can I start the installer without ACPI? (because it hangs the kernel..) |
| 12:32.08 | nyk2005 | ah f6 |
| 12:32.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm, theres a noacpi option, i forget the exact text |
| 12:32.22 | Zharf | expert2 noacpi ? |
| 12:32.24 | Zharf | er |
| 12:32.25 | Zharf | -2 |
| 12:32.28 | nyk2005 | no that's ubuntu |
| 12:32.41 | new2life | Kamping_Kaiser: ok. regarding pinning, I remember reading somewhere that a negative pin priority was often safer than a lower pin priority than default. Is that true? |
| 12:32.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: hm? |
| 12:32.43 | Zharf | it's been so long since I installed a debian :) |
| 12:32.45 | g00se | I'm wondering just how useful bluetooth is on a notebook. Even 'breaking' notebooks don't always have it. What is 'our' support for it like? |
| 12:32.55 | new2life | Kamping_Kaiser: oh nvm. it's on the same wiki page :/ |
| 12:32.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | new2life: sorry, i don't pin, i can't answer that |
| 12:32.58 | nyk2005 | but I don't find anywhere to add the option in the installer.. |
| 12:33.08 | Zharf | g00se, who's 'us'? |
| 12:33.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | Zharf: expert isa debian mode |
| 12:33.29 | g00se | Zharf: Why, Debian people of course! ;-) |
| 12:33.29 | Zharf | Kamping_Kaiser, what's your point? |
| 12:33.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | Zharf: erm, that was intended for nyk2005 |
| 12:33.49 | Zharf | g00se, for the record, I use bluetooth mice occasionally on my netbook |
| 12:33.49 | HektoR_ | Kamping_Kaiser: yes :) it's working now ... thank you very much :) |
| 12:33.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | (ftr, the point was its not ubuntu specific) |
| 12:34.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | HektoR_: sweet:) nice work |
| 12:34.14 | Zharf | Kamping_Kaiser, I never said a word about ubuntu |
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| 12:34.46 | robertf | Hemmp |
| 12:34.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | Zharf: no, nyk2005 did. hence my remark about its indended for ubuntu from nyk2005 :) |
| 12:35.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | robertf: sif |
| 12:35.09 | Zharf | Kamping_Kaiser, I'm confused |
| 12:35.13 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: I don't see that. When I start "expert install" it crashes anyway. and I know I need to turn off somehow, because in ubuntu I also did that and it worked. |
| 12:35.22 | robertf | I installed slackware & debian (multiboot)... i can boot debian or not slackware, The error msg is: error2: bad file or directory |
| 12:35.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | Zharf: sorry, i pinged the wrong person. is the short version |
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| 12:35.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: you shouldn't need to say install, you should just need expert, then options |
| 12:35.49 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser,Zharf: yes, because in the ubuntu installer, the acpi option was easier to find.. |
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| 12:35.59 | Zharf | nyk2005, try 'expert noacpi' |
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| 12:36.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | robertf: when booting slackware? |
| 12:36.25 | Zharf | if you actaully read the help pages, it'd tell you how to do it |
| 12:36.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | robertf: does grub reach stage 1.5? |
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| 12:36.35 | nyk2005 | Zharf: how? there's no option or way to enter anything! |
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| 12:37.04 | robertf | Kamping_Kaiser> if i choose slackware, i've the message "error2 bad file or directory" |
| 12:37.15 | Zharf | nyk2005, on boot? it should give you a debian logo screen iirc with some option stuff etc |
| 12:37.23 | nyk2005 | ah help is good |
| 12:37.24 | nyk2005 | :) |
| 12:37.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | robertf: check grub is trying to boot the correct partitions, and the correct files on those partitions |
| 12:39.17 | robertf | Kamping_Kaiser> root= /dev/hda2 is the / partition |
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| 12:39.36 | nyk2005 | Zharf: it's somehow more hidden that it used to be, but it's explained in the help... just pressed the wrong key and it hung again.. |
| 12:40.05 | nyk2005 | ah shit.. again |
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| 12:40.18 | g00se | thinks it could be noapic nolapic actually |
| 12:40.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | robertf: is it slackwares root partition really hda2? |
| 12:40.51 | Zharf | nyk2005, well, everything was better a couple of years ago, now even X is full of crap |
| 12:40.52 | nyk2005 | yes... but I press help, it takes ages to load, I press it again, and then the seconds one makes it boot (and hang, arg) |
| 12:40.57 | _stack | is it possible to see when a package was updated the last time? |
| 12:41.12 | robertf | Kamping_Kaiser> yes |
| 12:41.38 | robertf | Kamping_Kaiser> i'm reinstalling the boot loader |
| 12:41.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | _stack: check dpkg's installed packages db |
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| 12:43.32 | Lexclu | ahahaha |
| 12:43.37 | Lexclu | bandes de putains |
| 12:43.43 | Lexclu | niko la pute |
| 12:43.46 | Lexclu | tu vas bien ? |
| 12:43.47 | azeem | Lexclu: do you have a Debian question? |
| 12:43.48 | nyk2005 | wow it works! acpi=off (if you find the = without keyboard driver..) |
| 12:43.54 | Lexclu | azeem ta gueule trou du cul |
| 12:43.56 | azeem | Lexclu: this is an english-only channel |
| 12:43.59 | Lexclu | imbéciles de bots à la con |
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| 12:44.27 | azeem | please try to be more constructive in the future |
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| 12:44.46 | jcadigadou | hi |
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| 12:45.03 | _stack | Kamping_Kaiser: ok |
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| 12:45.55 | nyk2005 | it doesn't recognize the network card! wow, how do I find *that* out from the installer? |
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| 12:47.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | macezinha: english here please |
| 12:47.15 | macezinha | ok |
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| 12:49.19 | rati | hey can any one tell me lenny repository url? I tried deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib but its not working :( |
| 12:49.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell rati about sources.list |
| 12:49.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | rati: what does 'not working' mean? thats a valid uri |
| 12:49.58 | macezinha | I have that host, it solves the ip names but cant conect... its a debian one... ive searched into firewall for some rule or policy but nothing seens to drop it... =./ i tryed many things and nothing... this host is conected also board-to-board with another one... |
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| 12:52.50 | rati | Kamping_Kaiser, I get error Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 12:53.32 | HektoR_ | rati: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 12:53.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | rati: run apt-get update? |
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| 12:54.57 | rati | Kamping_Kaiser, Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 302 Moved Temporarily error in apt-get update |
| 12:55.49 | Kamping_Kaiser | odd. I wasn't aware of any mirror issues atm |
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| 12:57.33 | nyk2005 | Does anyone know which driver works for the "Intel 82563/82575" network card? |
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| 12:58.58 | c0nfus3d | Hi all |
| 12:59.03 | rsamourai | hi |
| 12:59.10 | c0nfus3d | how can I use linux-live scripts with debian - |
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| 12:59.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: something with blobs - i don't know if its supported, but if it is you'll need to throw the firmware on a usb stick and load it manually i suspect |
| 12:59.20 | c0nfus3d | when i use, and boot from the ISO - i am getting a kernel panic |
| 12:59.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | c0nfus3d: linux-live? |
| 12:59.36 | c0nfus3d | Kamping_Kaiser: http://www.linux-live.org/ |
| 12:59.44 | robertf | Kamping_Kaiser> May I reinstall grub? |
| 12:59.44 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: so I really need ubuntu... ok.. :( |
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| 13:00.02 | c0nfus3d | its a script to make a bootable ISO from your installed linux |
| 13:00.03 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: there it just works... :( |
| 13:00.03 | robertf | Kamping_Kaiser> debian's grub? |
| 13:00.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | nyk2005: ubuntu ships proprietary firmware .... |
| 13:00.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | robertf: you can if you want, sure |
| 13:00.46 | c0nfus3d | or is there any tool that will help me create a bootable ISO from my installed debian (i want all the settings to be available in the bootable ISO) |
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| 13:01.05 | nyk2005 | Kamping_Kaiser: yes, I mean it's nice if the network card "just works"... |
| 13:01.18 | azeem | nyk2005: you can just put the needed firmware on a usb stick |
| 13:01.27 | azeem | it will be detected during install usualy |
| 13:01.29 | c0nfus3d | i tried remastersys for debian - but its not working good |
| 13:01.30 | azeem | usually |
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| 13:01.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | c0nfus3d: debian-live exists (and live-magic), but i don't know about 'from your current install' |
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| 13:01.43 | robertf | Kamping_Kaiser> first i installed slackware. After i installed debian and slackware cannot boot |
| 13:01.57 | robertf | Kamping_Kaiser> is it a bug with debian? |
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| 13:02.05 | nyk2005 | azeem: I'm installing over remote managment, no way to plug in anything in anything. |
| 13:03.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | robertf: um, i'm not sure. it probably depends on where grub was installed, how, and a bunch of other stuff (I haven't dual booted in years, so i can't be much help here past theory :/) |
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| 13:05.22 | c0nfus3d | Kamping_Kaiser: if i have a debian installed and few tools installed and wallpaper changed, can i use live-magic to create an ISO that will contain all the changes? |
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| 13:06.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | c0nfus3d: no idea sorry, I've not tried |
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| 13:06.18 | c0nfus3d | ok thanks |
| 13:06.28 | rati | Kamping_Kaiser, Thanks, I get it working, actually squid was blocking that |
| 13:06.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | rati: aah, squids good for that. |
| 13:06.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | rati: glad you worked it out :) |
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| 13:12.27 | gurugeek | I just downloaded ia64 503 cd1 iso and checked its md5 and its OK, but when i used it, it does not boot. What can be the problem? |
| 13:12.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | gurugeek: what sort of CPU do you have? |
| 13:13.11 | gurugeek | Xeon, multicore |
| 13:13.18 | gurugeek | 2 processors, 2 cores |
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| 13:13.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | gurugeek: use the amd64 cds |
| 13:13.48 | c0nfus3d | Kamping_Kaiser: i just checked it - live-magic will create a debian boot from repos - not related with the installed debian |
| 13:13.58 | gurugeek | oic..... |
| 13:14.19 | gurugeek | Kamping_Kaiser: i thought amd64 is for AMD processors |
| 13:14.29 | buntfalke | How to tell if a binary was prelinked? |
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| 13:14.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | gurugeek: nope, all x86_64 |
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| 13:17.36 | gurugeek | Kamping_Kaiser: oh my bad.... thanks :) |
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| 13:17.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | gurugeek: no worries :) |
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| 13:18.08 | ascii158 | hi everybody |
| 13:18.25 | gurugeek | Kamping_Kaiser: Is SMP by default activated in 503? |
| 13:18.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | gurugeek: iirc yes |
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| 13:19.17 | ascii158 | how can i force debconf to use the noninteractive frontend without using the env-variable DEBIAN_FRONTEND? |
| 13:20.51 | joltcan | ascii158: dpkg-reconfigure debconf? |
| 13:20.53 | gurugeek | Kamping_Kaiser: hmmm good, thank you again :) |
| 13:21.02 | MorkBork | ia64 means the itanium |
| 13:21.06 | MorkBork | nobody uses that shit |
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| 13:21.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | gurugeek: good luck :) |
| 13:21.21 | MorkBork | amd64 is what you want, but intel likes to call it x64_64 |
| 13:21.24 | MorkBork | even though amd invented it :P |
| 13:21.52 | joltcan | and everyone continued to use the amd64 name because intel copied the functions from amd |
| 13:22.00 | joltcan | confusing as fsck |
| 13:22.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | especially when x86 is an intekl thing to start with |
| 13:22.19 | ascii158 | joltcan: the problem with -reconfigure is, that reconfiguring debconf is *always* dialog |
| 13:22.20 | MorkBork | well amd64 is an amd thing, that intel copied |
| 13:22.22 | MorkBork | amd64 is its true name |
| 13:22.22 | mesaGL | they should rename intel "stupel". it is the worst architecture ever to crawl from the swamp |
| 13:22.38 | MorkBork | just like amd copied sse or whatever |
| 13:22.43 | MorkBork | and all that jazz |
| 13:22.59 | joltcan | ascii158: Ah, then I have no idea |
| 13:23.07 | ascii158 | :-) |
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| 13:23.43 | mesaGL | ah for the glory days of the 68000 series or ns32032. both clones of the dec pdp processing units |
| 13:23.45 | MorkBork | actually it was originally x86_64, then amd renamed it amd64, then intel copied it, and tried to call it intel64 |
| 13:23.47 | MorkBork | my oh my |
| 13:23.55 | MorkBork | and now we have ia64 and amd64 and confused people |
| 13:23.59 | MorkBork | because the itanium was a failure |
| 13:25.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | deja vu |
| 13:25.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | (i've already whinged about intel/hp ripping off alpha to make itanium today, and it was only an hour ago ;)) |
| 13:25.45 | MorkBork | hah |
| 13:25.52 | MorkBork | i remember when alpha was the first to hit 500mhz or some jazz |
| 13:25.57 | MorkBork | and took out these huge magazine ads |
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| 13:26.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | hugs his 600AU |
| 13:27.42 | MorkBork | i swear i thought it was the first to reach 500mhz but i could be wrong |
| 13:27.46 | Psi-Jack | MorkBork: Kinda an oxy moron to say you remember something, but then don't by clouding it up. ;) |
| 13:27.55 | MorkBork | yea |
| 13:28.01 | MorkBork | well i remember the articles for sure |
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| 13:28.06 | MorkBork | but i forget if they were because they were truely the first |
| 13:28.10 | MorkBork | or it was the first alpha to be 500mhz |
| 13:28.11 | MorkBork | i dunno |
| 13:28.13 | MorkBork | brb |
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| 13:32.19 | g00se | Any idea in what format 'regular' audio CDs are encoded? |
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| 13:32.50 | dustybin | when i try and change DPI in xorg, nothing happens, I am using the non-free nvidia driver |
| 13:33.06 | Psi-Jack | g00se: DAAC |
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| 13:33.38 | Psi-Jack | Err, CDA |
| 13:33.42 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, CDA. |
| 13:34.03 | g00se | Psi-Jack: Thanks. Is there anything i can use to convert wav/mp3 to that format? |
| 13:34.42 | Psi-Jack | So... Basically... You want to step back into the past and burn a CDA Audio Disc? |
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| 13:35.39 | g00se | Psi-Jack: Yes, i'm cranking up the time machine ;-) |
| 13:36.06 | Psi-Jack | sox -t mp3 "$file" -t wav -r 44100 -w -s -c 2 "$(basename "$file" .mp3).wav" |
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| 13:36.36 | smellynoser | Howdy - Debian 5 - What version of libc does it have? |
| 13:36.44 | Psi-Jack | Then cdrecord dev=,0,0 gracetime=2 fs=4096k -v -useinfo -dao speed=12 -eject -pad -text -audio /home/yourcddirectory/* |
| 13:36.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: verisons libc |
| 13:36.54 | judd | Kamping_Kaiser: Error: "verisons" is not a valid command. |
| 13:37.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: verison\ libc |
| 13:37.02 | judd | Kamping_Kaiser: Error: "verison\" is not a valid command. |
| 13:37.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions libc |
| 13:37.08 | judd | Kamping_Kaiser: libc -- |
| 13:37.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions libc6 |
| 13:37.13 | judd | Kamping_Kaiser: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.10.1-5 sid: 2.10.1-6 |
| 13:37.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | smellynoser: ^^ |
| 13:37.23 | smellynoser | Very nice :) Thankyou |
| 13:37.27 | g00se | Psi-Jack: Looks good thanks. btw, it's the only practicable way i've got to use my hi-fi with audio files at the mo |
| 13:37.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 13:38.11 | Psi-Jack | g00se: Eh? Yer wha? |
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| 13:39.08 | Titan8990_ | Kamping_Kaiser, /msg the bot if you don't know the command please |
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| 13:39.55 | g00se | (burning a CDA) |
| 13:39.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | Titan8990_: i know the command, i just typoed a few times |
| 13:40.52 | robertf | When you install two gnu/linux distributions in dual boot, is it better to install the first boot loader or overwrite the first boot loader with the second boot loadeR? |
| 13:41.34 | robertf | in my case, i installed slackware first and debian second and the second boot loader is installed but the first distribution can't boot ;-) |
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| 13:43.14 | Psi-Jack | robertf: It's better to copy the menu.lst from the first to a flash drive or something, and use them after the second's installed. In fact, you can do this now by mounting it and reading the menu.lst file and appending the relevant parts to your existing menu.lst in /boot/grub |
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| 13:44.34 | Titan8990_ | robertf, do they share a boot partition? |
| 13:44.36 | robertf | Psi-Jack> during the install of the second distribution, i'm not choose "install the boot loader in mbr) |
| 13:44.52 | robertf | Titan8990> only swap |
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| 13:45.08 | Titan8990_ | robertf, usually best they share a boot partition, and in many cases a /home partition |
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| 13:45.22 | buntfalke | What might the reason for this behaviour be? "/usr/sbin/prelink.bin: /proj/long_path/usr/bin/gcc-4.4: Using /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, not /proj/long_path/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 as dynamic linker" |
| 13:45.37 | Psi-Jack | Titan8990_: Hrmm? Sharing the boot can also be conflicting. |
| 13:45.38 | buntfalke | I told prelink via the cmd line switch that I would like to specifically use another dyn. linker. |
| 13:45.43 | robertf | Titan8990> I only have 3 partition (swap, 2 /) |
| 13:45.47 | stevem | Lo I'm trying to mount an NFS share but it just pauses when I try to (no error), ctrl+c breaks me out of it - but I 've no idea whats wrong |
| 13:45.49 | buntfalke | Yet, it refuses to do so... |
| 13:46.01 | Titan8990_ | Psi-Jack, only if you have two distros that use the same naming scheme for kernels |
| 13:46.10 | Titan8990_ | Psi-Jack, no debian and slackware... |
| 13:46.43 | robertf | when i install slackware first and debian second, slackware can't boot after the second distribution installed |
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| 13:47.12 | robertf | if i install debian first and ubuntu second, there are no problem to boot ;-) |
| 13:47.17 | robertf | i'm not an expert |
| 13:47.44 | Psi-Jack | robertf: As I said. Mount your slackware partition, grab the /boot/grub/menu.lst from it, hopefully it at least made it. merge it into your existing running /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 13:47.52 | Titan8990_ | robertf, you just need the menu.lst that its booting to have entries for both distros |
| 13:48.30 | S1kx | im always getting a segfault when trying to install win2003 in virtualbox, anyone an idea? |
| 13:48.47 | Psi-Jack | S1kx: It's Windows. What'd you expect? it to actually work? |
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| 13:49.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | whats the psudopackage for bugs on www.debian.org? |
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| 13:49.59 | robertf | Titan8990> i'll reinstall both distributions |
| 13:50.25 | xreal | Does anyone know a channel to discuss about fast SATA-HDDs? I'm looking for two of them for a RAID-0 strip. |
| 13:50.44 | Titan8990_ | robertf, what are you going to learn from that? |
| 13:50.51 | Titan8990_ | robertf, thats a terrible idea imo |
| 13:51.04 | robertf | first i install slackware with the bootloader in mbr and debian second with no boot loader and i'll add manually an entry to lilo.conf (boot loader by default in slackware) |
| 13:51.21 | robertf | is it good? |
| 13:51.22 | Titan8990_ | robertf, you need to boot both using grub |
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| 13:52.38 | robertf | Titan8990> grub must be installed in twice distributions? |
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| 13:54.48 | robertf | thank you for you help.. |
| 13:54.59 | robertf | i never used a dual boot |
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| 14:17.15 | abrotman | Meths: even with full-upgrade ? |
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| 15:07.45 | Imran-UK | does anyone know how i can "reset" or remove a device-mapper device? |
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| 15:09.32 | Imran-UK | looks at dmsetup |
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| 15:16.06 | az_ | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.30-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 15:16.08 | az_ | how fix it |
| 15:16.13 | az_ | :(? |
| 15:16.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | install the right files? |
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| 15:17.05 | az_ | Kamping_Kaiser: how |
| 15:17.08 | greycat | az_: install linux-headers-$(uname -r) typically |
| 15:17.22 | az_ | install: cannot stat `linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686': No such file or directory |
| 15:17.29 | greycat | az_: *sigh* |
| 15:17.35 | greycat | Engage brain, then type. |
| 15:17.40 | az_ | :( |
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| 15:18.06 | az_ | apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 15:18.07 | az_ | ? |
| 15:18.10 | greycat | linux-headers-$(uname -r) is a shell expression that resolves to a Debian package name. Install that package. |
| 15:18.23 | az_ | ok |
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| 15:19.27 | az_ | greycat: looks like work! |
| 15:19.28 | az_ | thx! |
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| 15:21.28 | az_ | root@eee:/home/adam/zd1211/compat-wireless-2009-11-13 # make |
| 15:21.29 | az_ | make -C /lib/modules/2.6.30-2-686/build M=/home/adam/zd1211/compat-wireless-2009-11-13 modules |
| 15:21.32 | az_ | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-2-686' |
| 15:21.34 | az_ | and stay |
| 15:21.37 | az_ | :< |
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| 15:22.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | az_: what are you trying achieve? |
| 15:23.06 | az_ | ok that going |
| 15:23.14 | Titan8990_ | Kamping_Kaiser, manual installation of compat-wireless it looks like |
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| 15:24.44 | greycat | Are you getting an error message? |
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| 15:24.54 | az_ | no! |
| 15:24.55 | az_ | work probably |
| 15:25.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | Titan8990_: I've learned not to double guess people, sadly, they usually decide to fix their problem the wrong way |
| 15:25.57 | cusco | what was that module we need to load |
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| 15:26.03 | cusco | to get detailed ram info |
| 15:26.03 | greycat | On IRC you usually *have* to guess what they're doing.... |
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| 15:26.44 | greycat | cusco: dmidecode, or something? |
| 15:26.54 | hark | cusco: eeprom |
| 15:26.56 | greycat | my first three /msg dpkg attempts all failed, so... |
| 15:26.57 | cusco | yes! |
| 15:27.02 | cusco | thnaks hark |
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| 15:27.42 | Titan8990_ | greycat, he was not responding to me earlier either |
| 15:27.45 | cusco | hark: and wha twas that tool to read it» |
| 15:27.47 | cusco | ? |
| 15:27.52 | greycat | cusco: dmidecode, or something? |
| 15:28.05 | cusco | greycat: no, not dmidecode |
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| 15:28.24 | greycat | Well, I don't know which one YOU had in mind. |
| 15:28.33 | greycat | and dpkg isn't forthcoming with alternatives. |
| 15:28.43 | cusco | the module to load was eeprom, then there was this tool that would read its info and give way much more info than dmidecode |
| 15:28.50 | cusco | dpkg has a factoid that I cannot recall |
| 15:28.50 | dpkg | cusco: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 15:29.02 | hark | cusco: wait, let me just get you the factoid |
| 15:29.02 | cusco | dpkg: listvalues *eeprom* |
| 15:29.04 | dpkg | Factoid search of '*eeprom*' by value (1): myram. |
| 15:29.09 | cusco | !myram |
| 15:29.09 | greycat | without the *s |
| 15:29.09 | dpkg | [myram] install and run 'dmidecode -t memory' as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/squeeze/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For Etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs. Try 'lshal | grep smbios' to obtain mainboard and BIOS info. |
| 15:29.17 | hark | !listvals eeprom |
| 15:29.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'eeprom' by value (1): myram. |
| 15:29.20 | cusco | lm-sensors |
| 15:29.24 | cusco | :) |
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| 15:30.07 | Imran-UK | greycat, regarding having to guess peoples issues, are there any resources you point to when advising people on how best to ask for help? someone told me "how to ask smart questions" by eric raymond is good |
| 15:30.08 | greycat | dpkg, ram =~ s/<free ram>/<free ram> or <myram>/ |
| 15:30.09 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 15:30.29 | greycat | Imran-UK: No, because the people who need to read such pages won't read them. |
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| 15:30.58 | Imran-UK | in reality one has to just "wing-it" and get coach them along? |
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| 15:32.04 | abrotman | Imran-UK: that only works if they actually read 'how to ask smart questions' .. |
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| 15:32.16 | ranix | !smart questions |
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| 15:32.17 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with helpers. Also ask me about <reportbug>. |
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| 15:32.27 | Imran-UK | abaha there we go |
| 15:32.31 | jacko | ! jack |
| 15:32.32 | dpkg | i guess jack is http://jackit.sf.net/, or http://www.home.unix-ag.org/arne/jack/, or a low latency audio server, or a colloquialism for a person who doesn't care about anything.... |
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| 15:32.56 | Imran-UK | abrotman, prolly, but its sometimes a good fallback to ask them to read such stuff |
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| 15:35.47 | djp_ | am i correct in thinking that by installing cdrecord and the fact that genimageiso is already installed, i'm ready to go with cd/dvd burning from the cli? |
| 15:36.21 | djp_ | genimageiso = genisoimage |
| 15:37.07 | jacko | does anybody know of some good documentation for JACK? I'd like to understand the "magic numbers" |
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| 15:37.52 | greycat | which "jack" are you referring to? |
| 15:38.02 | Imran-UK | djp_, dunno. if it was me, i'd look in /usr/share/doc/cdrecord and find the readme |
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| 15:38.24 | jacko | like available usecs (which doesn't even show in google except in peoples error logs) |
| 15:38.39 | greycat | I don't even trust the Debian packages for cdrecord/mkisofs. I have no idea whether cdrecord installs wodim with cdrecord pointing to it, or real cdrecord, or what. |
| 15:38.47 | jacko | there's only one Jack Audio Connection Kit |
| 15:38.56 | abrotman | djp_: probably want dvd+rw-tools i'd guess also ? |
| 15:38.59 | greycat | I'm afraid if I tried it, it would overwrite my real-cdrecord or something. |
| 15:39.13 | djp_ | greycat: yeah, it's confusing. |
| 15:39.20 | djp_ | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:39.21 | Imran-UK | djp_, i need to do blu-ray burning with debian and ive selected dvd+rw-tools as the package that pulls in everything i need to do it from the cli |
| 15:39.47 | greycat | dvd+rw-tools should be safe to use from Debian packages because it isn't enshrouded in years of historical political battles |
| 15:39.47 | djp_ | Imran-UK: thanks. yes, maybe i should look into that. |
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| 15:40.47 | djp_ | greycat: cheers. |
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| 15:41.26 | abrotman | wtf... |
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| 15:47.18 | iluminator101 | how do i deselect a package when i upgrade? |
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| 15:50.11 | jeward | If a crontab entry begins with @hourly, when exactly is it executed? |
| 15:50.11 | abrotman | jeward: probably when your cron.hourly is set to run ? |
| 15:50.12 | abrotman | read the cron man page |
| 15:50.19 | jeward | From etc/crontab? |
| 15:50.31 | jeward | 17 after? |
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| 15:50.57 | abrotman | jeward: try a script that touches a file in /tmp/ |
| 15:51.18 | jeward | Oh, the man page says: @hourly Run once an hour, "0 * * * *". |
| 15:51.28 | jeward | I thought I'd looked there before! |
| 15:51.33 | jeward | Thanks anyway! :-) |
| 15:51.33 | jeward | |
| 15:51.41 | greycat | you might've looked in "man crontab" by accident, instead of "man 5 crontab" |
| 15:51.51 | jeward | I think you may be right! |
| 15:51.55 | greycat | silly Vixie cron, splitting the man page into two parts like that... |
| 15:53.40 | jpinx-eeepc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:54.02 | greycat | xlib6g is ancient, isn't it? |
| 15:54.14 | greycat | before the xorg reorganization |
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| 15:54.53 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: there are others with that syntax and they all fail why-not |
| 15:55.01 | greycat | googling for "debian xlib6g" turns up hits that mention slink, and the year 2004. |
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| 15:55.34 | petemc | slink was old even then |
| 15:55.59 | jpinx-eeepc | basically I am trying to purge opera and it's notremoving a lib it installed, but I don't know the exact name of the lib |
| 15:56.02 | greycat | So anyway, if your opera package depends on xlib6g, it's way out of date, and you should find a newer one. |
| 15:56.24 | d1b | opera is non-free :) |
| 15:56.33 | jpinx-eeepc | so it's only recoveringg me 25Mbs of the 33Mbs it used on install |
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| 15:57.36 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: apt-get autoremove ? |
| 15:57.57 | jpinx-eeepc | d1b: yes -and when I installed it with aptitude, it pulled in a lib - total 33MBs used, now when I purge it doesn't mention the lib and only recovers 25Mbs |
| 15:58.11 | greycat | maybe something else is using that lib. |
| 15:58.14 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 15:58.14 | Dantix | hi all, I trying to run the command: mysql -ubackup -pbackup2K8 < $(gunzip -c /tmp/dump.mysql.gz ) with dump.mysql.gz near to 270MB, and receive the error: |
| 15:58.14 | Dantix | -bash: xrealloc: ../bash/subst.c:3656: cannot reallocate 268435456 bytes (0 bytes allocated). Is there an explanation and solution for that? |
| 15:58.28 | greycat | maybe in the 3 or 4 major Debian releases since xlib6g, you've upgraded the lib into nonexistence. |
| 15:58.31 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: if something else "Recommends" that package then it will remain installed. |
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| 15:58.37 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: then why was the lib only installed when I installed opera - like ten minutes ago? |
| 15:58.57 | greycat | Dantix: I think you meant to do mysql -blah < <(zcat foo.gz) |
| 15:59.23 | greycat | I have no idea how you installed a package with a dependency on xlib6g in a current Debian release. Sorry. |
| 15:59.26 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: ok - then how to see what installed packages are depending on a specific lib - either totally depends or just recommends? |
| 15:59.28 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: look in either dpkg's or aptitude's logs as to what was installed. |
| 15:59.37 | Dantix | greycat: double <<? |
| 15:59.44 | greycat | Dantix: no, single < followed by a <() |
| 15:59.58 | Dantix | greycat: thanks |
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| 16:00.03 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: "aptitude why packagename" or "apt-cache rdepends packagename" will give you useful information |
| 16:00.20 | greycat | <greybot> Process substitution: command1 <(command2) -- command2 will be executed; a socket, fifo or temporary file will be created that contains its output. The <(command2) will be expanded into this file's filename so that command1 is executed with that filename as a parameter. |
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| 16:00.46 | petemc | where does greybot hang out? |
| 16:00.47 | greycat | Dantix: if you don't like fancy stuff, you could just use zcat foo.gz | mysql -blah |
| 16:00.52 | asg | #bash |
| 16:00.52 | greycat | in #bash |
| 16:00.55 | petemc | ah |
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| 16:01.11 | Justin | greycat: zsh lets you do =(command) if the command requires an actual file and not just a fifo, not sure if bash supports that |
| 16:01.29 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: thanks - silly me forgetting the logs! |
| 16:01.43 | Justin | echo =(id) <(id) in zsh -> /tmp/zsh5vBSUk /proc/self/fd/11 |
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| 16:01.56 | robertf | re |
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| 16:02.27 | greycat | Justin: nope, you'd have to make your own temp file |
| 16:02.34 | Dantix | greycat: thx |
| 16:03.46 | robertf | I use slackware & debian in multiboot, i've a problem with lilo.conf |
| 16:04.01 | robertf | i only use Slackware boot's loader |
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| 16:04.14 | robertf | can you check my lilo.conf? |
| 16:04.34 | abrotman | you have a problem with it why? |
| 16:04.35 | robertf | because if i type lilo after added debian lines.. there is a problem |
| 16:04.55 | abrotman | would think grub would be better for this |
| 16:05.12 | robertf | i added => image = /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18.6-686 |
| 16:05.21 | abrotman | etch ? |
| 16:05.23 | robertf | root = /dev/hda3 |
| 16:05.26 | robertf | label = DEbian |
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| 16:05.31 | robertf | read-only |
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| 16:05.46 | robertf | slackware => /dev/hda2 and debian /dev/hda3 |
| 16:05.52 | robertf | abrotman> yes, debian etch |
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| 16:06.36 | robertf | the error message is: fatal open /boot/vmlinuz-2.6---------: no such file or directory |
| 16:06.43 | robertf | who can help me |
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| 16:07.19 | abrotman | is /dev/hda3 / ? or some other partiton? |
| 16:08.20 | robertf | there are 3 partitions: /dev/hda1 => swap - /dev/hda2 => Slackware - /dev/hda3 => Debian |
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| 16:09.17 | robertf | abrotman> may i mount hda3 in fstab ? |
| 16:09.25 | abrotman | in slackware ? sure |
| 16:10.21 | robertf | i mount /dev/hda3 in slackware |
| 16:10.36 | d1b | robertf: where is /boot ... |
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| 16:11.54 | robertf | d1b> i don't have a /boot shared |
| 16:12.04 | greycat | a shared one would be a bad idea. |
| 16:12.12 | Shockcore | Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.40GHz ... cpu familly 15: 2.6.26-2-amd64 is okey or bad architecture? |
| 16:12.20 | robertf | d1b> slackware & debian have their own /boot |
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| 16:12.40 | robertf | abrotman> i mounted hda3 in fstab and rebooted |
| 16:12.41 | d1b | robertf: and grub is configured to point at the correct partitions for the respective kernels ? |
| 16:12.47 | greycat | robertf: for LILO (hosted in Slackware on hda2) I think you need to tell it that the Debian kernel is in /Debian/boot/vmlinuz-* (where /Debian is the mount point for hda3) |
| 16:12.50 | d1b | etc. |
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| 16:17.52 | robertf | greycat> i mounted manually and i added the lines in lilo.conf |
| 16:17.58 | robertf | lilo is done |
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| 16:18.21 | robertf | how to mount automaticly /dev/hda3 in fstab? |
| 16:18.27 | greycat | man fstab |
| 16:18.30 | d1b | lilo is so old tho. |
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| 16:18.47 | ranix | if it isn't broke don't fix it |
| 16:18.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | isnt the plan to deprecate lilo for squeeze? |
| 16:19.14 | Justin | ranix: lilo may not be broken, but is was never very user friendly |
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| 16:19.31 | greycat | His lilo isn't even on his Debian system. |
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| 16:19.41 | greycat | So Debian's deprecation or lack thereof is not relevant... |
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| 16:20.43 | robertf | greycat> i find the solution ;-) |
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| 16:20.51 | robertf | thank your all for your help |
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| 16:22.58 | pigdude | How can I arrange my PATH so that my custom-built Python isn't called for OS-level actions like starting Nautilus? |
| 16:23.10 | pigdude | Many things don't work because my custom Python doesn't have GTK stuff |
| 16:23.34 | d1b | pigdude: call your python something else ;) |
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| 16:23.50 | pigdude | d1b, when I call python from the shell, I want that version of python to be called |
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| 16:24.20 | d1b | Kamping_Kaiser: i thought it was already gone. |
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| 16:24.28 | kolpur | i don't want to get the mounted drives to be seen on Desktop. What should i do ? |
| 16:24.28 | themill | pigdude: where is this custom python installed? |
| 16:24.30 | cdog69 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.38 | pigdude | themill, /usr/local/bin/python |
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| 16:25.16 | djp_ | thanks to abrotman, greycat and Imran-UK, earlier. i have installed cdparanoia, cdrdao, dvd+rw-tools and wodim. i'm now fully covered in the burning/ripping cd/dvd department. :) |
| 16:25.45 | themill | pigdude: you could order your path so that /usr/local/bin was after /usr/bin and alias python=/usr/local/bin/python so that you get python at the shell in the way you want. (or move it out of /usr/local/bin to /usr/local/python/bin and once again use an alias) |
| 16:26.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | d1b: in squeeze? could well be |
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| 16:26.29 | Shockcore | Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.40GHz ... cpu familly 15: 2.6.26-2-amd64 is okey or bad architecture? |
| 16:26.31 | greycat | A shell alias wouldn't help him if he has locally written scripts that he wants to execute with his local python. |
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| 16:27.16 | themill | greycat: in which case he can just change the shebang line and there's no issue, unless he's using env python, but that's not that common |
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| 16:27.38 | themill | greycat: lots of people do, however, just type "python" at the shell and use it interactively. |
| 16:27.46 | pav5088 | I'm looking for a way to interactively allow a user to change their system IP from 127.0.1.1 . I could do this manually by changing the hosts and interfaces file /w ifdown/ifup, but what's the easy way? |
| 16:28.01 | pav5088 | (This is from a script) |
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| 16:28.28 | ranix | pav5088: why are you changing localhost's ip address |
| 16:28.30 | cdog69 | anyone know a good, free, hosting control panel to use with Debian? |
| 16:28.58 | pigdude | themill, I guess I'll have to go back and altinstall or something. but I was hoping there was just another place where the path is set for this sort of activity |
| 16:29.04 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, that would be out of compliance with rfc 3330 |
| 16:29.24 | pav5088 | ranix : Because I'm automating the install of an LDAP based infrastructure + GUI, and some of the plugins don't work if the host doesn't know the IP it shoudl have. |
| 16:29.25 | themill | pigdude: err... there *is* a place where the path is set. That's what I was talking about changing. |
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| 16:29.51 | pigdude | themill, I know that path can be set... |
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| 16:30.11 | pigdude | themill, anyway it looks like my custom one's 2.5.2 so I might as well just use the 2.6.2 with squeeze |
| 16:30.12 | ranix | pav5088: can you expand "if the host doesn't know the IP it should have" ? |
| 16:30.16 | Titan8990_ | cdog69, i know of quite a few, none free |
| 16:30.29 | themill | pigdude: 2.6.2 isn't in squeeze |
| 16:30.37 | pav5088 | Titan8990, even if I can tell the user to non-interactively change the IP it would be OK... I'm just looking for the easiest method to require the least from the user. |
| 16:30.47 | pigdude | oh it's 2.5.4 :( |
| 16:30.58 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, and your talking about changing the loopback address? |
| 16:31.19 | themill | pigdude: there's a package in experimental for 2.6 but it's not yet ready to be installed on real machines |
| 16:31.20 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, I'm sure moving out of compliance with rfc 3330 is not the proper way to set up your LDAP clients |
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| 16:31.23 | pav5088 | ranix, well, by default Debian hosts have 127.0.1.1 in their hosts file unless specified otherwise. I check if their IP is 127.0.1.1 and if so I warn them. |
| 16:31.35 | ranix | pav5088: why |
| 16:31.41 | themill | !why 127.0.1.1 |
| 16:31.42 | dpkg | methinks why 127.0.1.1 is http://qref.sf.net/Debian/reference/ch-gateway.en.html#s-net-dns |
| 16:31.43 | ranix | !why |
| 16:31.44 | dpkg | Because! |
| 16:31.47 | pav5088 | Titan8990, the loopback address is 127.0.0.1 |
| 16:31.47 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3330 |
| 16:32.21 | pav5088 | Titan8990, I should have been more specific... ie. changing the ALIAS from 127.0.1.1 to a valid IP |
| 16:32.55 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, have you considered assigning them via DHCP? |
| 16:33.04 | pav5088 | ...and all 127.0.x.x are loopback addresses as far as I know. |
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| 16:33.33 | pav5088 | Titan8990, don't be an ass... ;) You know I'm talking about a server machine. |
| 16:34.00 | greycat | he did? how would he know that? |
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| 16:34.19 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, I thought you were talking about clients that needed to authenticate to an LDAP server, so, no, i didn't |
| 16:34.39 | greycat | I thought I saw "GUI" in his initial question. |
| 16:35.10 | Titan8990_ | yes, that too |
| 16:35.15 | pav5088 | greycat : I thought it was implied because I was talking about an LDAP infrastructure... I guess it's theoretically possible to set up a client based one... |
| 16:35.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | 127/48 loopback isn't it. |
| 16:35.46 | greycat | All I know about LDAP is 1) some people seem to use it as a replacement for NIS, and 2) the L is a lie. |
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| 16:35.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe. |
| 16:36.21 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, are you using fai? |
| 16:36.35 | pav5088 | greycat... GOsa is the GUI sitting on a webserver somewhere... |
| 16:36.44 | Justin | greycat: well, I think the protocol itself is fairly simple, like the S in SMTP, but yeah, the rest is a mess :) |
| 16:36.50 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, you have a gui on your webserver? |
| 16:37.24 | pav5088 | Titan8990, I'm looking at FAI... got it working standalone... now I'm just trying to get it integrated with GOsa |
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| 16:37.32 | greycat | Titan8990_: oh good, I'm not the only one who was confused by that. |
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| 16:37.57 | pav5088 | Titan8990, sorry I'm used to speaking to humans... |
| 16:38.03 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, from what I am seeing its made to work with fai |
| 16:38.14 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, you mean windows admins? |
| 16:38.32 | greycat | Maybe you're used to speaking with people who've used GOsa or LDAP before. *shrug* |
| 16:38.36 | greycat | !gosa |
| 16:38.42 | pav5088 | Titan8990, no... I said humans... I.T people are thin on the ground in these parts. |
| 16:38.44 | greycat | *moreshrug* |
| 16:39.05 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, so humans install guis on their webserver? |
| 16:39.09 | Titan8990_ | still doesn't get it |
| 16:39.47 | themill | I'm mostly sure I'm human. dpkg, debhelper, apt and judd are the bots in here (that we know of!) |
| 16:41.17 | pav5088 | GOsa works with Samba +PDC functionality, Asterisk, DNS, DHCP, FAI, POSIX accounts, Email (Cyrus+Postfix), OPSI and a heap of other things... I've got all that working except for Asterisk, OPSI and FAI (although I'm working on it). |
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| 16:41.49 | pav5088 | ie. It's working, documented, and scripted (for people who want to set up a demo). |
| 16:42.11 | greycat | google says wikipedia says "GOsa is a web based frontend for management" |
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| 16:42.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990_: I have X running on a server for remote use ;) |
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| 16:42.40 | pipeline | greycat: the 'L' is not a lie... ever looked at the X.500 directories LDAP replaced ? |
| 16:42.46 | pav5088 | Oh, I forgot to meantion I've scripted SOGo also, but it isn't STRICTLY supported by GOsa. I'm also looking at Kolab, but a south african guy is checking that part out. |
| 16:42.54 | alvarezp | is away: |
| 16:42.57 | greycat | pipeline: I have HP-UX 10.20 and 11.11 machines. We use NIS. I understand NIS. |
| 16:43.08 | themill | alvarezp: please turn that off in #debian. Thanks. |
| 16:43.18 | pipeline | greycat: NIS is dirt simple. X.500 is labrynthine in its complexity. An endless hole. |
| 16:43.24 | greycat | From my point of view, if LDAP is replacing NIS, it's at least 20 times more complicated. |
| 16:43.32 | pav5088 | Titan8990, most HUMANS call the web graphical even though it strictly speaking isn't. |
| 16:43.42 | greycat | And it doesn't work on HP-UX anyway, so I've never had any reason to learn it. |
| 16:43.47 | pipeline | greycat: X.500 was as useless as LDAP. As in, all the standard handled was storing directory data. |
| 16:44.11 | spradnyesh | hello. i'm running debian unstable and installing udev does not give me udevinfo |
| 16:44.24 | spradnyesh | although packages.debian.org mentions it |
| 16:44.24 | pipeline | greycat: But.... it was HUGE. OpenLDAP was originally developed as an attempt to make a "simplified" gateway to an X.500 directory so that normal human beings could write clients to ask the irectory a simple question and get a sensible answer. |
| 16:44.25 | Justin | greycat: what do you think of kerberos then? :-) |
| 16:44.29 | spradnyesh | have i missed something? |
| 16:44.32 | pipeline | greycat: kind of like the relationship between WAP and HTTP |
| 16:44.33 | greycat | pav5088: so apparently you've installed this "GOsa" application which, I think, is some sort of "webmin" replacement panel thing for monkeys. |
| 16:44.58 | \amethyst | spradnyesh: mentions it where? |
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| 16:45.13 | spradnyesh | \amethyst: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=udevinfo&mode=path&suite=unstable&arch=any |
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| 16:45.22 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, so your trying to say as i get more proficient with linux administration I become less human? |
| 16:45.24 | abrotman | judd: info gosa --release lenny |
| 16:45.26 | judd | abrotman: gosa (web): is optional; Version: 2.5.16.1-4.1; Size: 3544.4k; Installed: 17348k -- Web Based LDAP Administration Program |
| 16:45.38 | Titan8990_ | pav5088, like a mutant ninja tech guy? |
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| 16:45.44 | pav5088 | greycat : yeah... but only monkeys work in the local authorities of Paris, Munich, Amsterdam and several other large local authorities, companies and organisations so what were they to do? |
| 16:45.44 | Titan8990_ | sweet.... |
| 16:46.06 | \amethyst | spradnyesh: ah, it's because sid m68k and avr32 have older versions of udev that still have /usr/bin/udevinfo |
| 16:46.28 | greycat | pav5088: so, what was the question again? |
| 16:46.30 | spradnyesh | \amethyst: then what package should i install to get udevinfo? apt-file did not help |
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| 16:46.44 | alvarezp | themill: thank you for that. I missed it. There should be tweaked now. |
| 16:46.50 | pav5088 | Titan8990, well... I'm just displaying my human character of getting annoyed when other people get pedantic instead of answering my questions. ;) |
| 16:47.02 | craigevil | $ apt-file search udevinfo |
| 16:47.02 | craigevil | libhd-doc: /usr/share/doc/libhd-doc/html/structs__udevinfo__t.html |
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| 16:47.14 | spradnyesh | craigevil: that's what i did |
| 16:47.21 | spradnyesh | but it gives me some documentation |
| 16:47.23 | pav5088 | greycat, oh... I've forgotten... I think I need a peanut. |
| 16:47.27 | \amethyst | spradnyesh: I believe you're supposed to use /sbin/udevadm info now |
| 16:47.28 | spradnyesh | i need the executable udevinfo |
| 16:47.43 | greycat | spradnyesh: apparently, there isn't one. |
| 16:48.01 | greycat | welcome to Linux. where things change because they're, like, totally 9 months old!!! |
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| 16:48.11 | \amethyst | spradnyesh: udevinfo was just a link to 'udevadm' |
| 16:48.20 | spradnyesh | \amethyst: that helps |
| 16:48.21 | spradnyesh | thanks |
| 16:48.27 | themill | spradnyesh: udev is a fast moving target -- if you wanted things to not change all the time, you'd be running stable, wouldn't you? |
| 16:48.29 | pav5088 | greycat, from conception? |
| 16:48.30 | spradnyesh | i guess i should be able to manage from here |
| 16:48.52 | themill | sends greycat back off to write some more modelines |
| 16:48.58 | spradnyesh | themill: i've no issues w/ things being unstable, but getting renamed is a little different ;) |
| 16:49.21 | themill | spradnyesh: no, that's just another case of "welcome to sid". |
| 16:49.22 | greycat | spradnyesh: it gets worse from there. |
| 16:49.35 | greycat | spradnyesh: get used to things being removed, renamed, replaced, ... |
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| 16:49.51 | Titan8990_ | themill, lol I actually hated when HAL support was added to xserver and I no longer needed that xorg.conf and 5 backup variations of it |
| 16:50.05 | themill | hehe |
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| 16:55.52 | clamiax | hi |
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| 16:57.05 | clamiax | Does anyone have an idea where the bitlbee packages goes? I'm using Debian squeeze. |
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| 16:57.34 | nkuttler | clamiax: goes? dpkg -L package? |
| 16:57.57 | greycat | judd, versions bitlbee |
| 16:57.58 | judd | greycat: bitlbee -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3 etch-backports: 1.2.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.2.3-1 sid: 1.2.4-1+b1 |
| 16:58.10 | greycat | I think he's asking "why doesn't squeeze have it" |
| 16:58.11 | themill | !why is bitlbee not in testing |
| 16:58.12 | dpkg | bitlbee is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=bitlbee |
| 16:58.17 | themill | (because it's utterly broken) |
| 16:58.35 | jpinx-eeepc | clamiax: bitlbee needs a ssb for now |
| 16:58.43 | jpinx-eeepc | clamiax: or the yahoo will not work |
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| 17:01.32 | clamiax | nkuttler: it isn't in the repository anymore |
| 17:01.48 | clamiax | THX themill, I'll read that. |
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| 17:02.44 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: does that work for squeeze? the bug report implies that it won't install with the libc6 in squeeze. If a rebuild is all it needs, then it should just get binNMUd and get back into squeeze in 10 days. |
| 17:02.47 | clamiax | mmh |
| 17:03.11 | clamiax | are there any good alternatives? I only need it to XMMP and, sometimes, MSN |
| 17:03.17 | clamiax | s/to/for/ |
| 17:03.49 | clamiax | It would be great to write it in a suckless way. |
| 17:03.57 | craigevil | i just use im.bitlbee.org as a server in irssi works just fine, theres always pidgin and other im clients |
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| 17:04.38 | clamiax | craigdevil: I guess it's the best we can do ATM. |
| 17:04.42 | clamiax | ops |
| 17:04.50 | clamiax | *craigevil |
| 17:04.56 | reuss | is it possible with apt-get or some other tool to show what a given package has installed on your system? .. and where it's locating configurations, etc ? .. |
| 17:05.03 | greycat | reuss: dpkg -L pkgname |
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| 17:05.26 | reuss | greycat: ah, of course - totally forgot about dpkg |
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| 17:05.41 | jpinx-eeepc | clamiax: I can't speak for bitlbee on squeeze, but I built the backport from sid to lenny and it works perfectly |
| 17:05.43 | jhutchins_wk | So, um, is there anything special I need to do to enable hotplugging sata devices? Any particular kernel? |
| 17:06.10 | jpinx-eeepc | clamiax: you might consider ayttm |
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| 17:07.02 | clamiax | jpnix-eeepc: it's definitely too huge and bloated for me. I think I'll use a global server for xmmp. |
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| 17:07.17 | jpinx-eeepc | clamiax: ayttm is tiny |
| 17:07.38 | jpinx-eeepc | clamiax: aptitude show ayttm |
| 17:08.23 | Titan8990_ | jpinx-eeepc, thats a pretty big feature list of something tiny |
| 17:08.36 | jpinx-eeepc | look at the size installed |
| 17:08.50 | clamiax | jpnix-eeepc: I'm not sure what "tiny" means for you. Though, as far as I can tell, aytmm it's quite big and full of useless features to me. |
| 17:09.07 | clamiax | I only need text exchange over XMMP. |
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| 17:09.35 | Titan8990_ | jpinx-eeepc, according to that, its twice the size of apache2 |
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| 17:09.37 | jpinx-eeepc | 2384 Kbs on my eeepc and I only have a 4 GBS sdd |
| 17:09.41 | Titan8990_ | clamiax, ejabberd maybe? |
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| 17:10.04 | jpinx-eeepc | if it's *only* jabber that's needed there are much smaller options |
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| 17:10.49 | clamiax | Titan8990_: I don't know it. I'm going to RTFM. THX |
| 17:11.44 | Titan8990_ | clamiax, from my experience ejabberd had better documentation and an all around easier set up then other jabber servers |
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| 17:12.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990_: yes - it's double the diskspace of apache2, but bitlbee is not available to him on squeeze yet~ |
| 17:12.06 | clamiax | I think configuring an account into a public server would be the fastest/easiest way. |
| 17:12.26 | jpinx-eeepc | clamiax: im.bitlbee is your solution ;) |
| 17:12.30 | greycat | if bitlbee's really so small, he could just build it himself |
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| 17:12.44 | clamiax | greycat: no, it's bugged and anyway not so small |
| 17:12.48 | greycat | squeeze (testing) users should be able to do this. |
| 17:12.49 | \amethyst | well |
| 17:12.50 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: I suggested that - 'cos that is what I did |
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| 17:13.00 | \amethyst | the bug looks like it's NMU-able |
| 17:13.03 | \amethyst | *but* |
| 17:13.10 | clamiax | graycat: I only build suckless packages. The rest stay out for me. |
| 17:13.19 | \amethyst | even if you fix it, it will hit again when libc goes to 2.11 |
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| 17:14.27 | \amethyst | unless the glibc-private stuff that bitlbee uses is made non-private |
| 17:14.46 | greycat | why the hell would anyone use glibc internal stuff? |
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| 17:15.00 | clamiax | wtf would anyone use glibc at all? |
| 17:15.01 | \amethyst | greycat: apparently it was made internal relatively recently |
| 17:15.02 | clamiax | ;) |
| 17:15.06 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: bitlbee is all opensource |
| 17:15.18 | greycat | clamiax: because implementing your own strlen() and sprintf() and so on gets old fast? |
| 17:15.45 | clamiax | greycat: you are wrong. Many people already wrote that. You only need to use their works. |
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| 17:15.49 | regorianer | does anybody knows how to get rid off the menu bar in pidgin (Buddies Accounts Tools Help) and the footer (Available) |
| 17:15.59 | clamiax | greycat: GNU stuff in general should be avoid to me. |
| 17:16.15 | \amethyst | clamiax: then Debian GNU/Linux might not be the OS to use |
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| 17:16.58 | jpinx-eeepc | regorianer: try #pidgin |
| 17:17.04 | regorianer | okay |
| 17:17.11 | \amethyst | jpinx-eeepc: never said it wasn't; the author says that 1. the API was documented in places like _DNS & BIND_ and made private recently; 2. it's needed to resolve SRV records using libc's resolver |
| 17:17.13 | clamiax | I use Debian for apt only. |
| 17:17.26 | \amethyst | in bug #551775, message 49 |
| 17:17.31 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: fair comment ;) |
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| 17:18.31 | jpinx-eeepc | clamiax: I agree with your sentiment, and I only build on test environments and make sure of stability before committing to the eeepc - I can't afford wasted space or other problems |
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| 17:20.27 | clamiax | jpinx-eeepc: you should look at the distribution "stali", which well be available soon on the suckless page. Contribution will also appreciated. |
| 17:20.33 | clamiax | s/well/will/ |
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| 17:22.46 | jpinx-eeepc | clamiax: pm? |
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| 17:26.09 | clamiax | mh? |
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| 17:27.00 | slope | I'm trying to set up OpenSSHsh for sftp only with ChrootDirectory so the user is stuck in one folder and it's subfolders. I noticed I could go above that folder and shut it down, removed the keys and put only my own testing key there and now I can't log in, I get this when trying: http://pastebin.com/d1b740f6c |
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| 17:27.15 | slope | I tried creating a new ssh key, I made sure the authorized_keys file had the correct key in it and that the public key was in the same folder so I can't figure out what's wrong. |
| 17:28.22 | subopt | When i do `set _cmd = 'ls -l'; exec $_cmd` in tcsh, it kicks me out of the subshell i'm in, and returns me to the next shell level up without any warning or error msg. What am i doing wrong? (Aside from using tcsh, that is.) |
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| 17:29.51 | clamiax | subopt: you are replacing the current shell process with another one which returns after che $_cmd command is run. That's why you goes back to the previous process. |
| 17:29.58 | Gijs | hey all |
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| 17:30.06 | Gijs | is there any cmd to check if a file exists |
| 17:30.08 | Gijs | ? |
| 17:30.10 | clamiax | exec ls should giv you the same behaviour. |
| 17:30.28 | clamiax | Gijs: test -f. See test(1) for more informations. |
| 17:30.37 | greycat | or ''help test'' |
| 17:30.50 | clamiax | that's bash stuff; help is not standard. |
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| 17:31.07 | greycat | and bash is the standard shell in Debian. |
| 17:31.08 | subopt | clamiax : How do i do it the right way? |
| 17:31.21 | clamiax | subopt: I have no clue what you are trying to do. |
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| 17:31.33 | pobega | slope: Shouldn't it be using your id_rsa.pub, not your id_rsa? (Or is that just what you copy server-side to authorized_keys?) |
| 17:31.51 | Gijs | uhhhm clamiax it doesn't return anything |
| 17:31.56 | subopt | I just want my tcsh script to not exit as soon as it does an `exec` cmd. |
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| 17:32.08 | Darkclaw66 | anyone know if there is a good list of servers I can use to ping to ensure connectivity? |
| 17:32.21 | clamiax | subopt: (exec $_cmd) |
| 17:32.34 | Gijs | clamiax, it doesn't return anything |
| 17:32.36 | clamiax | subopt: at least, it works on sh-like shells. |
| 17:32.41 | subopt | clamiax : thx. |
| 17:32.45 | Gijs | i wanna use this function with php so it needs to return anything |
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| 17:33.19 | greycat | Gijs: ask ##php how to use PHP functions. |
| 17:33.26 | greycat | don't call bash from PHP. |
| 17:33.26 | Gijs | nonono |
| 17:33.31 | slope | pobega: the public key is in the chrooted directorys .ssh folder. There it sits with authotized_keys. I need the private to actually log in :) |
| 17:33.32 | Gijs | i need to ask you guys for a cmd |
| 17:33.38 | clamiax | Gijs: on unix doesn't exists a process which doesn't returns anything. It's impossible. |
| 17:33.41 | Gijs | wich check of a file exists |
| 17:33.41 | smellynoser | We're installing lenny and we need firmware files bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw - Where am I best downloading this? And if issues arise in future with similar errors, where should I search to find the files I need? |
| 17:33.57 | clamiax | Gijs: FWIW, main() always returns. |
| 17:33.57 | greycat | Gijs: seriously, use the PHP functions to do this. |
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| 17:34.06 | Gijs | :( |
| 17:34.12 | Gijs | there is no cmd? |
| 17:34.18 | clamiax | Gijs: file_exists($filename); should be what you are looking for. |
| 17:34.23 | greycat | Gijs: there IS, and you were TOLD what it is, but it's the WRONG ANSWER. |
| 17:35.01 | Gijs | clamiax, no cause the path is out my allowed posistion |
| 17:35.21 | clamiax | Gijs: then you'll never be able to check if it exists. |
| 17:35.26 | greycat | Gijs: if your PHP script is chrooted, then the bash shell you call FROM php will also be chrooted in the same place. |
| 17:35.45 | clamiax | Gijs: though I wondering why should you check for a path which you can't use anyway. |
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| 17:43.30 | cdog69 | ok, when i run commands such as apt-get install xxx, where (from which prompt) do i run the commands from. I log in to terminal, do I need to su root to run them, should I run the from my home dir, should I navigate to the usr directory to install apps or will debian just know where to put it? |
| 17:43.49 | greycat | cdog69: it doesn't matter what directory you're sitting in when you run apt-get |
| 17:44.24 | cdog69 | greycat: so debian will know where it goes automatically |
| 17:44.32 | greycat | packages are always downloaded into /var/cache/apt/archives/ and package files are always installed into the places the package tells them to be |
| 17:44.51 | cdog69 | gotcha, Thanks |
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| 17:47.10 | faffi | so i apt-get install'd gdm and it uninstalled xorg :/ |
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| 17:47.34 | greycat | "xorg" itself is just a wrapper that brings in the real packages. removing it is harmless. |
| 17:47.57 | faffi | greycat: it removed the x11 binary |
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| 17:48.36 | greycat | faffi: what package did it remove? Put it back. Do you mean the X binary? apt-get install xserver-xorg or whatever. |
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| 17:49.48 | faffi | greycat: yes it removed it, i reinstalled xserver-xorg but that prompted another issue which led to more issues |
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| 17:50.00 | faffi | it was just a terrifying experience all together because i decided to install gdm |
| 17:50.25 | Titan8990_ | faffi, what are issues are those? |
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| 17:51.25 | gooser | is this channel for discussion stable only? wondering if there is a separate channel for testing... |
| 17:51.44 | faffi | just stupid things on my behalf really, my /usr directory got filled up when trying to install xserver-xorg because it installed kde libraries for some reason, i had to then resize my home partition and then my lvm then make /usr bigger |
| 17:52.05 | Titan8990_ | gooser, no, testing is somewhat supported here but its expected that if your running something other than stable, you know how to fix your own problems and bug report them accordingly |
| 17:52.34 | Titan8990_ | faffi, home wasn't part of your LVM? |
| 17:52.42 | faffi | no it was |
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| 17:52.55 | yowlst | Hi, i would to build a metapkg which postint running in DEBIAN_FRONTEND='noninteractive' for the packages listed in Depends.. |
| 17:52.56 | faffi | i resized the /home partition then the block device in the lvm |
| 17:53.24 | gooser | Titan8990_, I see thank you. |
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| 17:53.52 | yowlst | if i set that in preinst it doesn work.. (different sub-process?) |
| 17:53.58 | Titan8990_ | faffi, oh, sometimes it good to reserve space in your volume group to allocate as needed, just for that situation.. there is no need to allocate all the space at once |
| 17:54.34 | rares | i'm about to switch to resolvconf from resolv.conf what should I know before doing so so I don't lose connection |
| 17:54.40 | faffi | Titan8990_: ya i realized that when doing this, i kinda missed the point of setting up LVM :P |
| 17:54.52 | Titan8990_ | faffi, its all part of learning :) |
| 17:55.06 | gooser | Titan8990_, I'm a returning newcomer to Debian, and was wondering if the packages in testing are still more attractive (newer) to a desktop user. It used to be in the days of Woody stable that GNOME and all of its apps were a bit outdated |
| 17:55.09 | faffi | i also accidentally resized my /home directory with the lvreduce to 10G by assicentally ommiting a "-" in the command |
| 17:55.23 | Imran-UK | answering my own question - reset" or remove a device-mapper device - ive found dmsetup (package of same name) and "dmsetup status" then "dmsetup remove <device>" |
| 17:55.36 | faffi | that was fun, i quicky resized it back to the 185 gigs and it was fine |
| 17:55.53 | Titan8990_ | gooser, if you value bleeding-edge over stability, debian is not a good choice |
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| 17:56.50 | Titan8990_ | gooser, any newer packages in particular you need? |
| 17:57.05 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 17:57.35 | Yolarina | Hello. I am installing Debian 5.0 (i386) and the installation is stuck at "Configuring totem-common". Why does that happen and what can I do to fix it? |
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| 17:57.57 | gooser | Titan8990_, Not in particular, I just like to know I have late software. What would be a better choice? I love apt-get and the large repositories. And please don't say Ubuntu! |
| 17:58.08 | Titan8990_ | Yolarina, ctrl+alt+f4 should show debugging information |
| 17:58.18 | Titan8990_ | gooser, sidux maybe |
| 17:58.23 | Titan8990_ | !based on debian |
| 17:58.23 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
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| 17:58.38 | Titan8990_ | sorry, thought that gave some examples |
| 17:58.40 | Yolarina | Titan8990_: That key combination does not do anything. |
| 17:58.57 | Imran-UK | Yolarina, check you have a big enough disc. also the install media might be corrupt, i think you can run a media verify test from main menu |
| 17:59.14 | Titan8990_ | Yolarina, ctrl+atl+f1-5 should all do something, otherwise it sounds like it might be a total lock-up |
| 17:59.39 | Yolarina | Imran-UK: I verified the media before installation, it was fine. The hard disk drive is 200 GiB in size and I used the guided partitioner (use entire disk). |
| 17:59.57 | Yolarina | Titan8990_: No, they do not do anything. |
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| 18:00.13 | cichlasoma | E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libc-bin_2.10.1-0ubuntu15_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/update-locale', which is also in package locales |
| 18:00.13 | cichlasoma | `/usr/sbin/update-locale', which is also in package locales |
| 18:00.13 | cichlasoma | trying to overwrite `/usr/sbin/update-locale', which is also in package locales |
| 18:00.13 | cichlasoma | Hi. I run Debian lenny (in VirtualBox in another linux). When I add Ubuntu repositories and run apt-get install on most of packages, I get |
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| 18:00.15 | dpkg | cichlasoma: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 18:00.19 | Yolarina | Titan8990_: Is it possible to resume the installation (that is, not having to redownload all the files)? |
| 18:00.23 | gooser | Titan8990_, and that is what is so attractive to me about debian. the community reveres FREE software as gold. Other distributions bundle all kinds of crap in there. |
| 18:00.27 | Imran-UK | Yolarina, hmmm. ive had oddities in install before for no good reason, try it again. |
| 18:00.47 | Yolarina | Imran-UK: I'll try again then. |
| 18:00.54 | gooser | Titan8990_, though there is a non-free repos. |
| 18:01.06 | Titan8990_ | Yolarina, no, but if it got passed "installing base system" you can likely install grub from a livecd and then work with it form there |
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| 18:01.20 | cichlasoma | SORRY!!! |
| 18:01.23 | Imran-UK | Yolarina, i'd google for how you can access the debug info if any like Titan8990 suggested |
| 18:02.03 | Titan8990_ | gooser, yep... has screwed me once however when setting up freeradius and SSL support was lacking because parts of openssl didn't comply with dfsg |
| 18:02.03 | Imran-UK | Yolarina, one way of eliminating hardware being the cause is to try a debian live cd, if one exists for lenny |
| 18:02.15 | cichlasoma | (The first three lines in my post were included by mistake, I'm sorry...) |
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| 18:02.38 | pflanze | Hello. I need a german<->french dictionary that works when I'm offline. |
| 18:02.39 | Titan8990_ | cichlasoma, mixing distros/branches/whatever like that is asking for a broken system |
| 18:03.03 | Imran-UK | Yolarina, if you can, install with the "net install image", its 140M or so and just does the base system |
| 18:03.07 | pflanze | I've got a hard time getting dict-freedict-deu-fra to work, kdict only goes online it seems, opendict is strange. |
| 18:03.16 | vinc456 | What are the numbers in "kill(2) function and kill(1) command" referring to? |
| 18:03.19 | pflanze | Anyone knows how this is really supposed to work / tips? |
| 18:03.19 | Yolarina | Imran-UK: I am using the netinst CD. |
| 18:03.21 | gooser | Titan8990_, I see. Plus, doesn't it feel "cooler" to be using the system that other distros are based on? :P |
| 18:03.51 | Imran-UK | Yolarina, best of luck then |
| 18:03.57 | Imran-UK | good weekend all |
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| 18:05.07 | cichlasoma | Titan8990: well, it's a virtual machine and I have a backup, I just want to experiment with some functions. Don't you know how to fix this, possibly in a dirty way or whatever? |
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| 18:05.31 | Hyperi | Anyone in here Debian network expert? |
| 18:05.40 | patrikf | !ask |
| 18:05.41 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 18:06.07 | gooser | Hyperi, I don't know if I'm an expert, but I might be able to help you |
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| 18:07.00 | jhutchins_wk | Is there anything in particular required to hotswap sata? |
| 18:07.44 | patrikf | jhutchins: hardware that supports it? :-) |
| 18:07.51 | Yolarina | Can the netinst CD do a memory check? |
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| 18:11.19 | patrikf | Yolarina: nah. you might want to download memtest86(+), or some live cd that includes it (e.g. grml) |
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| 18:13.47 | clamiax | brb |
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| 18:14.37 | cusco | ola |
| 18:14.39 | cusco | oops |
| 18:14.41 | cusco | hi |
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| 18:16.42 | sthon | Anyone know if any update manager that can do debian updates across multiple servers at once? |
| 18:17.30 | nsadmin | !fai |
| 18:17.30 | Justin | sthon: dsh,cssh,puppet,etc |
| 18:17.31 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or jumpstart for Sun Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 18:19.25 | sthon | thanks nsadmin, Justin |
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| 18:19.49 | TraceRoute87 | is there a cd-iso for testing besides the netinstall ones? |
| 18:20.20 | greycat | testing is a moving target. why would you want a static plastic disc with outdated testing packages on it? |
| 18:21.00 | greycat | if you want a plastic disc with packages so that you can install them on lots of machines, surely you want a stable release. |
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| 18:22.32 | gooser | TraceRoute87, why not just use a netinst? |
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| 18:31.52 | djp_ | if i want to be able to print from my netbook when travelling about, do i need to install cups? |
| 18:32.24 | greycat | you'd need *some* sort of printing software |
| 18:32.53 | greycat | cups seems like a reasonable choice |
| 18:33.06 | djp_ | greycat: thanks. |
| 18:33.55 | gooser | djp_, using Debian on a netbook? Badass! What make/model do you have? |
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| 18:34.06 | Shockcore | can anybody help : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.40GHz ... cpu familly #15 best kernel is 2.6.26-2-amd64 ? |
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| 18:34.26 | greycat | Shockcore: -amd64 is a 64-bit kernel, and -686 is the 32-bit kernel |
| 18:34.35 | Shockcore | i know |
| 18:34.44 | greycat | Shockcore: if you're installing i386, go with the -686 kernel. If you're installing amd64, go with the -amd64. |
| 18:35.05 | adamos | I run debian with the backported 2.6.30 on my lenovo. Got rid of fedora 11 for good |
| 18:35.12 | Shockcore | but this cpu is 64bit? |
| 18:35.16 | greycat | yes |
| 18:35.22 | greycat | I think. |
| 18:35.22 | Shockcore | ok |
| 18:35.24 | greycat | !xeon |
| 18:35.25 | dpkg | The Xeon brand refers to many families of Intel's x86 multiprocessing CPUs â for dual-processor (DP) and multi-processor (MP) configuration on a single motherboard targeted at non-consumer markets of server and workstation computers. For more details see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeon, or use amd64 as arch |
| 18:35.48 | Shockcore | ok |
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| 18:36.40 | smellynoser | You know what's bad |
| 18:36.40 | smellynoser | servers |
| 18:36.55 | smellynoser | I'm trying to install debian, and it's not going well. It says "Loading initrd.gz......ready." and it has done for 5 minutes |
| 18:36.59 | smellynoser | Lovely |
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| 18:38.42 | Titan8990_ | smellynoser, try removing "quite" from the boot argument to see what the problem might be |
| 18:38.57 | Meths | quiet? |
| 18:40.12 | abrotman | smellynoser: computer specs? |
| 18:40.35 | Titan8990_ | yes, typo |
| 18:40.48 | smellynoser | abrotman: hp proliant dl360 |
| 18:40.57 | smellynoser | 4gb ram, 2 146gb disks, raid 1 |
| 18:41.01 | smellynoser | p400i |
| 18:41.08 | smellynoser | 2 quad core xeons |
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| 18:41.41 | abrotman | smellynoser: i think it needs an upgrade |
| 18:41.45 | pigdude | GNOME/Metacity doesn't remember my window positions (they always open in the top corner). Is there a way to fix that? |
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| 18:42.24 | smellynoser | abrotman: Probably. Needs more RAM |
| 18:43.02 | smellynoser | I've taken quiet out now, so hopefully it will say: "There is a rat sitting on your ram, get that out and everything will be ok" |
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| 18:44.39 | anykey | what would be the best course of getting python-2.6 onto a server running lenny, without breaking too much? |
| 18:44.58 | pigdude | anykey, make altinstall |
| 18:45.03 | Shockcore | when i reboot my box i have this which is slowing down the reboot time to 15 minutes? why ? megaraid mbox: Wait for 1 commands to complete |
| 18:45.13 | pigdude | anykey, point scripts to /usr/bin/env python26 |
| 18:45.26 | anykey | pigdude: you mean, building from source, yes? |
| 18:45.42 | pigdude | anykey, yea |
| 18:45.53 | anykey | ok, I figured as much. :-( |
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| 18:46.52 | anykey | maybe it won't take too long to build. |
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| 18:48.52 | blizzow1 | I'm attempting to upgrade from lenny to squeeze. I have a strange dialog saying it's unable to migrate to dependency-based boot system. It seems there are few loops involving hibernate-cleanup, mountall, lvm, resolvconf, and checkfs. Then it says if the reported problem is a local modification, it needs to be fixed manually. How do I fix this? |
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| 18:49.36 | greycat | don't worry about it. you don't need to switch your init system. |
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| 18:50.30 | pigdude | greycat, I liked the sound of it so I let it upgrade. Reminds me of Solaris' SMF |
| 18:51.28 | greycat | Near as I could tell from the wiki page it pointed to, it requires action on the part of a package maintainer, or someone who actually understands what all the crap at the top of the scripts is supposed to be. |
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| 18:51.55 | greycat | The wiki page did not elaborate on what a local unstable/testing user could do (if anything) to make an iptables init.d script conformant. |
| 18:52.11 | acu | Sound does not work when playing flash videos (youtube) - AMD64 Squeeze - how can I fix this ? |
| 18:52.26 | pigdude | greycat, real men cross their fingers and hit the "Yes" button |
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| 18:53.17 | greycat | pigdude: there is no "yes" button, is there? There's a "manually edit init.d/iptables without documentation and try again" prompt... |
| 18:53.21 | sclebo05 | acu: does sound work for everything else ? |
| 18:53.27 | bartek- | Hi. What's the preferred method of installing python 2.6 on debian lenny? I don't need to replace 2.5, I just want the option of having it. |
| 18:53.34 | pigdude | greycat, it was a confirmation of sorts, that's all I remember :) |
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| 18:53.46 | acu | slebo05 yes |
| 18:53.55 | acu | sclebo05 |
| 18:54.00 | pigdude | greycat, I don't sysadmin my desktop like I do my server so I'm a little hazy on the details |
| 18:54.18 | KTL2 | what is the use of an accelerometer in a laptop? is it just the idea that it should spin down the hard disk in time? |
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| 18:55.00 | KTL2 | (before it crashes on the ground) |
| 18:55.22 | KTL2 | (my laptop isnt gonna dive bomb or similar) |
| 18:55.32 | jpinx-eeepc | mine did :p |
| 18:55.41 | KTL2 | mm :) |
| 18:55.55 | sclebo05 | i think it parks the heads, but im not sure |
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| 18:56.38 | KTL2 | i think mine got one but i have no idea on how to find out if it is used at all |
| 18:56.39 | jpinx-eeepc | sclebo05: it'd be some piece of work to park the heads and prevent damage from a drop on the floor |
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| 18:57.09 | roe | how do I change the default program used to open a pdf? |
| 18:57.13 | roe | in gnome |
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| 18:58.28 | abrotman | Roe: right click on the pdf .. go to the properties, try the open with tab? |
| 18:58.55 | roe | abrotman, there isn't a centrally kept db/list matching extensions to programs? |
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| 19:03.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | mime types? |
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| 19:04.30 | lupus_ | Hello, I have 2 questions, first one being does a nproc limit for a group limit the entire group, or each user in that group? |
| 19:04.51 | lupus_ | Second being, changing limits.conf seem to have no effect at all |
| 19:05.15 | TraceRoute_ | is there a cd-iso for testing besides the netinstall ones? |
| 19:05.19 | lupus_ | It worked fine on change, with Ubuntu 9.04, but in debian it seems to ignore limits.conf |
| 19:05.38 | roe | 'Document Viewer' is the default, but pdfs still open to kpdf (default) |
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| 19:06.55 | lupus_ | Oh, when setting limits in limits.conf I need to reboot? |
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| 19:07.09 | greycat | no, shouldn't. |
| 19:07.10 | prince_jammys | no. re-log in |
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| 19:09.11 | pigdude | GNOME/Metacity doesn't remember my window positions (they always open in the top corner). Is there a way to fix that? |
| 19:10.17 | kampasky | roe: there's /etc/mailcap _and_ the desktop environments might have additional mapping |
| 19:10.17 | moshisush | hello i need some help with network bridging.. basically i want to make a bridge of eth0 and all interfaces used by virtual machines (kvm) |
| 19:10.48 | roe | kampasky, how do I see the desktop environment settings? |
| 19:11.38 | moshisush | basically i have several ip:s available for the physical machine, and want to bridge them to the "real" debian network interface and the virtual ones |
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| 19:12.21 | kampasky | roe: depends on your desktop environment ;) |
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| 19:13.58 | roe | gnome |
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| 19:15.06 | kampasky | roe: it's bound to be somewhere in the gconf database :) |
| 19:16.03 | roe | wonderful |
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| 19:16.32 | cantoma | guys, i am trying to reactivate grub for a friend. Happens the following. I use a knoppix CD I let knoppix to mount the linux partition (/dev/sda7). On a root terminal I did chroot /media/sda7. Everything went OK until here. Then I looked at /etc/fstab I saw that the primary disc was /dev/sda1. I went to /dev/ directory and there was no sda or sda1 or sdax. Something bad happen. How I should proceed? |
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| 19:17.52 | greycat | cantoma: you probably have to mount /dev inside the chroot. I'm not sure how that works these days, with all that udev trickery. |
| 19:18.14 | jelly-home | cantoma: you forgot to mount --bind /dev /media/sda7/dev before chrooting |
| 19:18.41 | cantoma | jelly-home, i let knoppix to do all that work of mounting maybe that is wrong |
| 19:18.46 | kermit | for dev does it even need --bind? |
| 19:18.47 | cantoma | i will check it |
| 19:18.53 | jelly-home | greycat: also one ends up with empty /dev, which is often fun if you want to boot a kernel or OS _without_ udev |
| 19:19.11 | jelly-home | cantoma: for knoppix help try #Knoppix |
| 19:19.12 | greycat | no doubt. but then at least you could run MAKEDEV, hopefully... |
| 19:20.03 | jelly-home | well yes, that's what we ended up doing at work, repopulating it even though there's "no need" |
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| 19:20.39 | jelly-home | it's a bit hard to use root=/dev/whatever when there's no whatever |
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| 19:22.32 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 19:24.22 | roe | solved the problem by removing kpdf |
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| 19:30.42 | ranix | Opera's Speed Dial is pretty bad ass |
| 19:30.52 | ranix | whoops |
| 19:31.00 | ranix | sorry #debian, that was meant for off-topic |
| 19:31.57 | cantoma | jelly-home, i did the bind thing. I then I could see them. I did /sbin/grub-install /dev/sda and the only thing he wrote in device.map was (hd0) /dev/sda. Did you thing is this correct? |
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| 19:38.21 | blizzow1 | still updateing from lenny to squeeze. I've seen this error pop up a few times while the packages are setting up: "fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file", should I worry? |
| 19:38.46 | greycat | if you can still get letters on your screen after restarting X, then probably not. |
| 19:39.09 | djp_ | what packages do i need to install in order to use cups? is it just cups-client, or are there other packages i'll need? i think i need cups-bsd in order to print from emacs for example... |
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| 19:39.48 | djp_ | apologies for ignorance, i've never used cups... |
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| 19:40.21 | greycat | I just installed "cups" and let it bring in the whole kit & kaboodle |
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| 19:40.50 | djp_ | greycat: ah, ok... that seems straight forward then :) |
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| 19:50.16 | valdyn | !cups setup |
| 19:50.16 | dpkg | i heard cups setup is "aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>. |
| 19:50.38 | greycat | !factinfo cups setup |
| 19:50.39 | dpkg | cups setup -- last modified at Sun May 31 07:55:57 2009 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@gsimmons.org; it has been requested 218 times, last by valdyn, 25s ago. |
| 19:50.50 | valdyn | people used to combine lpr with cups, mistakenly, which is prevented by installing cupsys-bsd |
| 19:51.03 | jelly-home | cantoma: if there's just one disk in the machine, sure |
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| 19:51.40 | valdyn | uh, and now its just cups instead of cupsys, i think, but helper packages are around |
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| 19:54.41 | caraconan | I'm following http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser, but when I think daemon is not running properlly: http://pastebin.com/mf340e9e |
| 19:54.44 | caraconan | Some help? Thanks |
| 19:55.22 | valdyn | caraconan: "/etc/init.d/bluetooth start" gives what? |
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| 19:55.33 | caraconan | No output |
| 19:55.57 | caraconan | And with my mobile I can't find pc |
| 19:55.58 | valdyn | caraconan: debian kernel or custom kernel? |
| 19:56.11 | caraconan | debian kernel |
| 19:56.25 | caraconan | 2.6.30-2-686 |
| 19:56.31 | valdyn | caraconan: try "restart" instead of "start" |
| 19:56.39 | caraconan | I go to supper. I read you after. Thanks |
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| 19:58.51 | jhutchins_lt_ | How do I get the proper name of a kernel package so I can remove it (cleaning up up old junk). |
| 19:59.07 | pipeline | jhutchins_lt_: dpkg --get-selections | grep your shit |
| 19:59.25 | greycat | it'll be either linux-image-* or kernel-image-* depending on its age |
| 19:59.47 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt_: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l "linux-image*" |
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| 20:03.34 | Spec | I recently upgraded from etch to lenny and ... I'm getting logcheck warnings from (/var/log/syslog) complaining that, "ntpd[1715]: kernel time sync error 0001". |
| 20:03.58 | Spec | Google has not been particularly informative as to what that error means....any pointers to good documentation would be appreciated. |
| 20:04.14 | rgr | sorry, missed any replies. The lenny netinst installer does not recognise a usb keyboard. Any work around or patched installer that you know of? |
| 20:04.53 | greycat | sounds more like a BIOS problem to me. |
| 20:05.07 | rgr | well it wasnt for the previous OSen on it. |
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| 20:05.14 | greycat | I promise you, people have used lenny installer with USB keyboards. |
| 20:05.26 | PepperBob | Spec: what about that http://www.debian-administration.org/users/simonw/weblog/169 |
| 20:05.46 | rgr | I am sure. But not on this one :-( I checked BIOS for any possible switches but nada. |
| 20:05.48 | jhutchins_lt_ | abrotman: Thanks, that got it. |
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| 20:05.54 | PepperBob | sorry |
| 20:06.02 | PepperBob | that's way too old :& |
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| 20:06.18 | Spec | PepperBob: thanks |
| 20:06.23 | jhutchins_lt_ | abrotman: Don't suppose you know how to get the system to recognize a SATA hotplug? |
| 20:06.35 | Spec | PepperBob: I'm running 2.6.14 |
| 20:06.48 | Spec | PepperBob: I looked and looked on google, and all I kept seeing were confusing snippets of code with no real explanations -.- |
| 20:07.28 | abrotman | !scsi rescan |
| 20:07.29 | dpkg | scsi rescan is, like, echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan (where # is the number of the relevant SCSI host). Any new devices found will be listed in /proc/scsi/scsi. Functionality now in sysfs (scan host has scan node, scsi device has a rescan node). Alternatively, aptitude install scsitools && rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
| 20:07.32 | abrotman | should be close for SATA |
| 20:07.36 | PepperBob | Spec: well then that's your answer i guess :P |
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| 20:08.05 | PepperBob | Spec: what's the reason to not upgrade your kernel? |
| 20:08.35 | jhutchins_lt_ | abrotman: Ok, worth a try. |
| 20:08.39 | Spec | PepperBob: policy/schedule |
| 20:08.44 | Spec | PepperBob: will do it asap though |
| 20:08.52 | PepperBob | ah.. |
| 20:09.05 | Spec | PepperBob: these servers have been up for a little bit. 400 days or so each. |
| 20:09.35 | PepperBob | yeah.. can imageine that.. i try to upgrade to lenny since 6 months or so.. but no chance at all :/ |
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| 20:10.42 | jhutchins_lt_ | Crud. Some sort of conflict, I actually lost sdb. |
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| 20:11.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | sata supports hotplugging? |
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| 20:12.19 | zinx | CutMeOwnThroat: some controllers support SATA hotplugging, yes |
| 20:12.31 | l403 | I want to check out ktorrent so I get it from the repo. It depends on some packages and needs to get 70M of archives. What is very uncool about it is that 50M of that is kde-icons-oxygen. Is there a way or is it even a way to deal with silly looking dependencies like this? |
| 20:12.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I remember doing hotplugging with IDE on a old and worthless machine about 10 years back |
| 20:13.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it would also have actually worked had the kernel recognized it....as it was it only worked as far as removing a drive, putting it somewhere else and plugging it back on the same cable |
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| 20:16.39 | Gijs | Guys how to start a process with a time or something? |
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| 20:16.55 | Gijs | so example: i want a process start over 5 min |
| 20:16.58 | Gijs | how can i do that? |
| 20:17.13 | greycat | You mean "every" 5 minutes? |
| 20:17.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds like a real slow start to me :) |
| 20:17.46 | Gijs | no |
| 20:17.53 | Gijs | Yes |
| 20:17.55 | Gijs | sorry :P |
| 20:17.57 | l403 | in 5 minutes? |
| 20:18.09 | l403 | cron |
| 20:18.12 | Gijs | how? |
| 20:18.14 | greycat | "Every 5 minutes" -> use a crontab entry. */5 * * * * command |
| 20:18.22 | Gijs | can you give a example Please? |
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| 20:18.27 | greycat | Did. |
| 20:18.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | in five minutes, guess a simple "sleep 300; command" would do |
| 20:19.14 | greycat | that, or "at now + 5 minutes" |
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| 20:19.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, it's double-jeopardy again! |
| 20:19.34 | Gijs | uhhhm |
| 20:19.50 | ezraw | i am trying to the install ca-certificates-java package on lenny, but there is no package for it. yet I see it here: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/ca-certificates-java/ how would I installed it manually? |
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| 20:20.20 | Gijs | can you give a cron example? |
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| 20:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | he did |
| 20:20.51 | Gijs | oh? |
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| 20:21.26 | l403 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cron |
| 20:21.28 | bobo1on1 | I'd use sleep 300 & command, so you can kill it with ctrl-c |
| 20:21.39 | ezraw | can I install it from squeeze? http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ca-certificates-java |
| 20:21.39 | bobo1on1 | I mean sleep 300 && command |
| 20:21.53 | Gijs | ok but i think you guys understan dit wrong |
| 20:22.06 | ranix | !tell Gijs -about cron tutorial |
| 20:22.08 | Gijs | nvm sorry / thanks |
| 20:22.35 | greycat | 'use the Debian init script (/etc/init.d/cron) rather than running cron from the command line' ??? |
| 20:22.38 | greycat | what the hell is that? |
| 20:22.39 | djp_ | valdyn: thanks. so aptitude install cupsys cupsys-bsd foomatic-db, should now read... aptitude install cups cups-bsd foomatic-db? |
| 20:22.56 | ranix | hm |
| 20:23.10 | ranix | greycat: I just saw that there was a cron tutorial so I invoked the factoid |
| 20:23.14 | ranix | that factoid is terrible |
| 20:23.31 | djp_ | just doing aptitude install cups as greycat mentioned seems to do it all however... |
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| 20:23.51 | ezraw | can I just add it to the sources file and update, then remove it? |
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| 20:24.26 | greycat | dpkg, no, cron tutorial is http://www.unixgeeks.org/security/newbie/unix/cron-1.html but ignore everything before "Using cron". Or just read "man 5 crontab" locally. |
| 20:24.27 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 20:25.17 | ranix | dpkg: no, cron tutorial is http://clickmojo.com/code/cron-tutorial.html or just read "man 5 crontab" locally |
| 20:25.18 | dpkg | okay, ranix |
| 20:25.32 | ranix | greycat: that one is MUCH better |
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| 20:26.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | let the botwars begin? |
| 20:26.30 | ranix | nah this is collaboration |
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| 20:27.25 | sandman | I'm running Debian Lenny inside a virtualbox. Everything was working just fine, but then I deleted the machine, remade it, and attached the same hard disk file. |
| 20:27.31 | sandman | Now the networking doesn't work. Does anyone know why this is? |
| 20:27.48 | sandman | I haven't changed anything aside from just re-using the device file. |
| 20:28.00 | Justin | !+z25 |
| 20:28.01 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 20:28.08 | Justin | sandman: ^^^ |
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| 20:28.14 | surlyjake | sandman, more detail on "doesnt work". |
| 20:28.14 | bobo1on1 | wow that bot is useful |
| 20:28.18 | caraconan | <valdyn> /etc/init.d/bluetooth restart => no output |
| 20:28.28 | sandman | Got it. Thanks |
| 20:28.35 | Justin | bobo1on1: the bot is only as useful if people know what to tell it to say :) |
| 20:28.37 | ranix | yes, dpkg is just about the main repository of information about how to configure Debian |
| 20:28.40 | bobo1on1 | yeah true |
| 20:28.48 | Justin | can you still get extracts of the dpkg database? |
| 20:28.52 | ranix | knowing how to use him is sometimes better than knowing how to use google |
| 20:29.01 | Justin | a long time ago I built a wiki using the bot data |
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| 20:29.15 | bobo1on1 | I've set up debian stable in vmware and I'm quite impressed, but I wonder if testing or unstable would be better suited for the desktop |
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| 20:29.31 | ranix | !iyhtays |
| 20:29.32 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 20:29.35 | sandman | And secondly, that is the fastest resolution to a problem I have ever seen. |
| 20:29.39 | sandman | Just thought I'd add that. |
| 20:29.47 | sandman | I came here, asked the question, and no more than 10 seconds later, my solution. |
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| 20:30.03 | ranix | bobo1on1: stable with very selective backports is generally the best desktop |
| 20:30.06 | bobo1on1 | ok |
| 20:30.07 | caraconan | <bobo1on1> testing works perfect for 99% of needs |
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| 20:30.20 | bobo1on1 | hm, contradicting answers |
| 20:30.26 | ranix | bobo1on1: some things are unavailable in stable but those things are generally things you should live without until they are finished |
| 20:30.34 | ranix | if they are too complex to backport |
| 20:30.37 | bobo1on1 | I can always install those things from source |
| 20:30.44 | ranix | yep |
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| 20:32.27 | bobo1on1 | one thing I hate is stuff not working after an upgrade |
| 20:32.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, so stuff not working before an upgrade doesn't bother you? |
| 20:33.07 | bobo1on1 | no, because I always fix that |
| 20:33.17 | moshisush | is there any reason not to install hal? |
| 20:33.27 | bobo1on1 | after an upgrade is far more annoying |
| 20:33.38 | moshisush | i think it might be needed by libvirt |
| 20:33.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you don't fix it if it's after an upgrade? |
| 20:33.55 | bobo1on1 | no I still fix it |
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| 20:34.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it only annoys you to fix it if it's after an upgrade |
| 20:34.15 | sandman | Oh wow, I didn't know that. |
| 20:34.20 | sandman | Debian was actually detecting my card just fine |
| 20:34.20 | bobo1on1 | yes |
| 20:34.29 | sandman | It's just that it kept incrementing the eth* number. |
| 20:34.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, each to his own, I guess |
| 20:34.42 | sandman | It* so all I had to do was just swap the eth4 entry and the eth0 entry. |
| 20:34.42 | bobo1on1 | because then I think, it was fine, why touch it |
| 20:34.47 | tijoev | need some help with getting sound to work on a fresh lenny 5.0.3 install |
| 20:34.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !alsa checklist |
| 20:35.00 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 20:35.01 | sandman | That was much easier than I anticipated. |
| 20:35.04 | ranix | sandman: yeah udev does that |
| 20:35.16 | ranix | udev is somewhat new and the kinks are still being worked out |
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| 20:35.57 | sandman | I see. Well, I still had to run dhclient eth0, as /etc/init.d/networking didn't get dhcp going. |
| 20:36.12 | sandman | I checked interfaces, and everything looked good. So I'm not quite sure why it didn't start it... |
| 20:36.35 | sandman | Oh, actually.. the auto line only has "auto lo" |
| 20:36.45 | sandman | eth0 isn't listed in there. I suppose that's why dhcp wasn't automagically started? |
| 20:36.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !prize sandman |
| 20:36.54 | dpkg | gives sandman a My Little Pony. |
| 20:37.03 | sandman | I'm getting good at this. Okay, awesome |
| 20:38.03 | hackemate | if i have a debian with gnome, what themes should i use, gtk2 or gdm themes? |
| 20:38.11 | hackemate | or both are ok? |
| 20:38.32 | Andorin | What would I need to do in order to get a microphone working on Lenny? |
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| 20:39.01 | ranix | Andorin: apt-get install alsa alsa-utils, then run alsaconf |
| 20:39.02 | Justin | sandman: are you using network manager or anything? |
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| 20:39.33 | Justin | if you are using network manager then it doesn't need to be configured in the interfaces file |
| 20:39.40 | sandman | Justin: I don't know what that is. I'm only just now installing the system via aptitude. |
| 20:39.46 | Justin | oh, that's a no then |
| 20:39.51 | sandman | My goal is to migrate all my current PC functions away from Windows |
| 20:40.16 | sandman | And into this VM. Once I have everything migrated over, I will install a Linux system. I just want to make sure I can do everything I want in Debian that I can currently do in Windows. |
| 20:40.39 | ranix | Andorin: reading from /dev/dsp reads your microphone with alsa |
| 20:40.50 | ranix | Andorin: writing to it writes sound to the speakers |
| 20:40.57 | sandman | It's looking pretty good so far. I understand there are those that, although "deprecated", have had debian systems running for like a decade |
| 20:41.21 | ranix | Andorin: cat /dev/dsp >/tmp/sound.raw and talk to it, should record your voice |
| 20:41.36 | ranix | Andorin: then cat /tmp/sound.raw >/dev/dsp |
| 20:41.46 | sandman | That is to say, even though the specific release (such as potato) is no longer supported, the aforementioned systems are still running. |
| 20:41.49 | tijoev | how do I check OSS modules are loaded or not? How do I unload them? Had sound with etch |
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| 20:42.10 | tijoev | how do I stopp arts or esound? |
| 20:42.12 | Andorin | ranix: I need it to work for specific programs, not simply general recording. Ergo, I need a generally functioning mic. |
| 20:42.12 | bobo1on1 | arecord test.wav should also work |
| 20:42.30 | sandman | That really intrigues me. Makes me think to myself that I could just build a solid security-conscious system to serve a very specific purpose, and just forget about it unless perhaps a security vulnerability arises. |
| 20:42.59 | sandman | I have been entirely unable to do that with Windows. NT seems to require constant attention. Keeps me from doing more important things. |
| 20:43.19 | sandman | Am I the only one who feels this way? =) |
| 20:43.19 | bobo1on1 | don't open it to the internet and you're already quite secure |
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| 20:43.31 | ranix | Andorin: then what you need to know is not how to get a microphone using, but what programs to use with your microphone |
| 20:43.50 | sandman | Aye. That's what I was thinking. The way I figured it, if I had a system to do just one particular thing, and it wasn't connected to the internet... |
| 20:44.05 | bobo1on1 | even behind a nat router would be ok |
| 20:44.14 | sandman | And let's say, it ran entirely from RAM, such that perhaps even the HDD could be turned off most of the time... Heck, I could likely run that system for decades |
| 20:44.22 | sandman | Without a problem. You know? |
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| 20:44.42 | sandman | bobo1on1: Yeah. I'm excited about this. |
| 20:44.46 | bobo1on1 | you can't have much fun with it without internet though |
| 20:44.52 | sandman | This could potentially relieve a lot of my headaches. |
| 20:45.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Andorin, probably also unmute it... guess |
| 20:45.25 | sandman | bobo1on1: True. My idea is, though, to instead of having one system doing all sorts of things, I want to have lots of small systems doing very specific things. |
| 20:45.25 | Andorin | CutMeOwnThroat: Done that, of course. |
| 20:45.34 | bobo1on1 | sandman, google for bifferboard |
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| 20:45.36 | sandman | bobo1on1: Many of these small systems won't need to be connected to the internet, even. |
| 20:45.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 20:46.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course he quits out |
| 20:46.16 | sandman | ooo |
| 20:46.19 | sandman | bobo1on1: I like this. |
| 20:46.45 | sandman | I'd like something even cheaper, though. |
| 20:46.49 | tux_ | hi i have wlan installed an configured and ready to go |
| 20:47.01 | bobo1on1 | you're not going to find anything cheaper than that I think |
| 20:47.12 | tux_ | when i enter the command "wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant_pf.conf" |
| 20:47.23 | tux_ | CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS |
| 20:47.30 | tux_ | that is what i get |
| 20:47.49 | tux_ | what does that mean? |
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| 20:48.38 | hjb2 | Hi. I'm trying to get pulseaudio up and running |
| 20:49.06 | hjb2 | /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian mentiones that pulseaduio gets installed as suid root by default |
| 20:49.10 | hjb2 | but mine isn't |
| 20:49.20 | hjb2 | what's wrong here? |
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| 20:49.43 | sandman | I just got an automated call from GameStop, letting me know that I can pick up my reserved copy of the new Mario Brothers on Sunday. The guy on the automated call was impersonating Mario, speaking like he's some sort of italian in a pizzaria. It was quite possible the lamest phone call I've ever had. True story. |
| 20:49.58 | sandman | possibly* |
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| 20:50.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | raises an eyebrow towards #debian-offtopic |
| 20:50.42 | sandman | Of course. Apologies. |
| 20:50.56 | hjb2 | that said readme also says i (the user) should be in group pulse-rt |
| 20:50.59 | Interphase | how will will debian work on my sager laptop, I am thinking of switching to it from Ubuntu |
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| 20:51.20 | hjb2 | but /usr/bin/pulseaudio isn't owned by group "pulse-rt" at all |
| 20:51.30 | hjb2 | something seems to be broken |
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| 20:52.04 | Interphase | *how well |
| 20:52.08 | wuffi600 | hi. |
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| 20:53.33 | n0h03rj | hi. if i create a deb from a source package, will that deb run on another debian system with the same arch and different hardware? |
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| 20:54.11 | Justin | n0h03rj: you mean like every .deb package you currently have installed on your system? |
| 20:54.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | sandman, there's computers, cubes the size of a key pendant ... |
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| 20:54.34 | n0h03rj | ...Justin: just wanted to know if i had to do something special during compilation |
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| 20:55.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | Interphase, similarly? Most hardware recognition is done by the kernel, and there's up to 2.6.30 in lenny backports.... *shrug* |
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| 20:55.58 | Interphase | CutMeOwnThroat, legit |
| 20:56.01 | Interphase | Ubuntu has been giving me shit |
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| 20:56.57 | tijoev | debian:/home/joev/Downloads# ps aux | egrep 'arts|esd' |
| 20:56.57 | tijoev | root 3622 0.0 0.0 1748 560 ? SN 10:26 0:00 run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 20:56.57 | tijoev | root 3702 0.0 0.0 3108 764 pts/2 S+ 10:53 0:00 egrep arts|esd |
| 20:56.57 | tijoev | debian:/home/joev/Downloads# lsmod | grep oss |
| 20:56.57 | tijoev | snd_pcm_oss 32800 0 |
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| 20:57.10 | Interphase | lol |
| 20:57.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | Interphase, regular kernel in lenny is 2.6.26-2-686 - if that's not new enough for the install, you can /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 20:57.27 | wuffi600 | I have deleted the links to a certain service, e.g. "rm /etc/rc?.d/*portmap". I don't know what the names of the deletes links were. How can i regenerate the original links as they were provided when the pakage was installed? |
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| 20:57.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | another one bites the dust |
| 20:58.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | how come debhelper only kicked in (or out) after 5 lines anyway... |
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| 20:58.51 | KTL2 | wuffi, look for sysv-rc-conf script |
| 20:58.59 | KTL2 | wuffi600, |
| 20:59.04 | cahoot | or man update-rc.d |
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| 20:59.41 | wuffi600 | KTL2, sure i know these commands: update-rc.d, sysv-rc-conf, rcconf, ... |
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| 21:00.57 | wuffi600 | KTL2, but how to get the original link names... (e.g. update-rc.d need the starting/stopping number of the filename as an argument) |
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| 21:02.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | tijoev, calmed down a bit? |
| 21:02.22 | wuffi600 | KTL2, extracting the deb-Package and look for the filename is a way, but isn't there an easier way? |
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| 21:03.09 | jhutchins | abrotman: Thanks for the help. For some reason, if I connect the third HD, sdb goes away. The server's in use now, so no more experiments. |
| 21:03.34 | tijoev | always calm |
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| 21:03.49 | tijoev | trying to get this squared away |
| 21:03.58 | hjb2 | where do i get rtkit? |
| 21:04.09 | jhutchins | wuffi600: The init scripts should have that info in the headers. |
| 21:04.38 | jhutchins | wuffi600: Dependencies and standard start priority number. |
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| 21:05.11 | jhutchins | wuffi600: The SysV utility (chkconfig) uses these, I believe some of the debian utils do too. |
| 21:05.26 | dz2 | how can I purge flash from my system? |
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| 21:06.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | ENOPARSE |
| 21:07.27 | ctmjr | dz2: how did you install it? |
| 21:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, he means flash as in shockwave flash? |
| 21:08.19 | greycat | almost certainly |
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| 21:08.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, so I lose this round of double-jeopardy... |
| 21:08.58 | wuffi600 | jhutchins: Thanx for your hints. |
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| 21:10.01 | jhutchins | wuffi600: Hope they help, I'm a long time linux user but a debian newbie. |
| 21:10.12 | dz2 | I can't remember how I installed it. maybe with apt-get. I will look to see if I have a relevant package installed. |
| 21:10.33 | greycat | if you had installed it by hand, you probably would have remembered it |
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| 21:12.15 | wuffi600 | jhutchins: the the Service-Scripts in /etc/init.d/ mention their wanted runlevels in their first lines. But there is no Info about dependencies and priority. I'll look up these information in the original deb-packes. |
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| 21:13.34 | buntfalke | How to install exactly the packages a minimal debian installation would install if I'd have used the installer? |
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| 21:13.51 | greycat | buntfalke: /msg dpkg debootstrap |
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| 21:14.51 | buntfalke | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.52 | buntfalke | erm |
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| 21:16.28 | hjb | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550544 |
| 21:16.38 | hjb | anyone knows something about this bug report? |
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| 21:17.38 | greycat | I'd imagine the person who reported it does. And maybe the package maintainer. |
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| 21:18.00 | crowbar` | I actually clicked that link, so I know something about it now too. |
| 21:18.05 | dz2 | I might have installed it by hand, I seem to remember making some links in the mozilla directory. the age flash ads are consuming all my processor power |
| 21:18.22 | buntfalke | greycat: thanks |
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| 21:19.41 | greycat | dz2: remove relevant symlinks or .so files from /usr/lib/{mozilla,firefox,iceweasel}/plugin* |
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| 21:21.16 | ctmjr | dz2: if your using iceweasel or firefox install flashblock plugin |
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| 21:23.07 | dz2 | is flashblock the name of the package? |
| 21:23.18 | TraceRoute_ | is there a iso of debian testing other then the netinstall ones? |
| 21:23.34 | dz2 | it does seem to be there? |
| 21:23.47 | greycat | TraceRoute_: was there 30 minutes ago when you asked? Was there 60 minutes ago when you asked? |
| 21:24.07 | TraceRoute_ | like 90ish |
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| 21:24.21 | greycat | Actually, 3 hours. |
| 21:24.26 | greycat | 13:19 TraceRoute87> is there a cd-iso for testing besides the netinstall ones? |
| 21:24.28 | greycat | 14:05 TraceRoute_> is there a cd-iso for testing besides the netinstall ones? |
| 21:25.00 | TraceRoute_ | so whats the problem again? |
| 21:25.03 | greycat | I doubt anyone is going to give a different answer than the answers you got as TraceRoute87 3 hours ago. |
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| 21:25.51 | TraceRoute_ | I don't recall recieving a answer |
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| 21:28.20 | TraceRoute_ | greycat hey man what to come over and play with some magic cards? |
| 21:28.35 | ctmjr | dz2: if you do not want flash at all do as greycat suggested |
| 21:29.02 | TraceRoute_ | ;) |
| 21:29.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, that was weird |
| 21:29.18 | ranix | indeed |
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| 21:30.41 | dz2 | i found flashblock - it only works in this kmelon browser looks interesting but i dont want to change my browser just to fix ths problem |
| 21:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | he probably never read greycats answer to the 1st query... at least he never reacted |
| 21:30.48 | greycat | 13:19 TraceRoute87> is there a cd-iso for testing besides the netinstall ones? |
| 21:30.54 | greycat | 13:20 greycat> testing is a moving target. why would you want a static plastic disc with outdated testing packages on it? |
| 21:30.59 | dz2 | I did read it actually |
| 21:31.04 | greycat | 13:20 greycat> if you want a plastic disc with packages so that you can install them on lots of machines, surely you want a stable release. |
| 21:31.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said *he* didn't read it - I did |
| 21:31.08 | greycat | 13:22 gooser> TraceRoute87, why not just use a netinst? |
| 21:31.18 | f00bar80 | anyone may suggest a soho adsl wireless router with a powerful and easy to configure firewall ???? |
| 21:31.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, he left, so repeating won't do a lot of good |
| 21:31.41 | greycat | well fuck. |
| 21:31.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | (which is why this was so weird) |
| 21:31.52 | ranix | it's still weird |
| 21:31.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | in deeds |
| 21:32.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | out deeds, too |
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| 21:33.07 | f00bar80 | any comment ??? |
| 21:33.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, just one: that's offtopic |
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| 21:34.35 | abrotman | f00bar80: ##hardware or #networking |
| 21:34.48 | cockroach | it seems that during the upgrade from etch to lenny my postgres databases were not migrated to the new 'cluster' (when i shut down postgres-8.1 i can no longer access them) - how do i fix that? |
| 21:35.06 | abrotman | cockroach: it tells you .. there's a command like db_migrate_cluster or something like that |
| 21:35.54 | Justin | cockroach: pg_upgradecluster |
| 21:35.58 | Justin | cockroach: or manually dump+restore |
| 21:36.24 | cockroach | abrotman/Justin: pg_upgradecluster says "Error: target cluster 8.3/main already exists" ... |
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| 21:36.49 | sidewalk | does an intel little falls 2, with an atom 330 CPU boot in Debian? |
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| 21:36.50 | cockroach | Justin: dump+restore it is then, i guess... |
| 21:36.50 | Justin | cockroach: no databases exist in 8.3? |
| 21:36.54 | sidewalk | say lenny |
| 21:37.06 | cockroach | Justin: no as far as i can tell. hold on. |
| 21:37.17 | vlt | Hello. I know that I can handle an md raid1 member device like a normal file system (mount or boot from). I think this is not possible with raid5 (because the redundancy information is spread differntly). Is this correct? |
| 21:37.21 | vlt | Can I have a raid1 with more than two devices? |
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| 21:37.35 | abrotman | sidewalk: have you tried it? |
| 21:37.38 | PepperBob | cockroach: you had 8.1 and now you got 8.3? |
| 21:37.43 | cockroach | PepperBob: yes |
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| 21:37.51 | Quibus | hi, is there a Debian program to erase individual files from a DVD+RW? (They are at the end of the disc.) |
| 21:37.55 | sidewalk | abrotman: nope, just asking before i try it |
| 21:37.56 | PepperBob | and 8.1 is still there? |
| 21:38.04 | skynet | Does anyone know how i can create a bootable iso file to install XP ? |
| 21:38.20 | Justin | skynet: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=xp.iso |
| 21:38.33 | skynet | Justin: its not in iso format yet |
| 21:38.58 | cockroach | Justin: 'psql' can't even seem to connect ("psql: could not connect to server: No such file or directory") |
| 21:39.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | Quibus, I don't think that's possible |
| 21:39.14 | cockroach | Justin: (after shutting 8.1 down, that is) |
| 21:39.17 | Justin | cockroach: is the 8.3 server running? |
| 21:39.21 | cockroach | PepperBob: yes |
| 21:39.37 | cockroach | Justin: i started it via the init script, so i guess so. but let me check. |
| 21:39.38 | abrotman | skynet: ask ##window |
| 21:39.39 | abrotman | skynet: ask ##windows |
| 21:39.48 | skynet | As if they would know how |
| 21:39.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, echo |
| 21:39.53 | dpkg | ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...cho...ho...o....... |
| 21:39.55 | cockroach | Justin: yes, it is |
| 21:39.57 | abrotman | not #debian's problem |
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| 21:40.08 | skynet | Listen, all i wanna do is learn how to make a bootable iso is all |
| 21:40.16 | abrotman | ask ##windows how to install Windows |
| 21:40.18 | PepperBob | cockroach: so why would psql not connect? |
| 21:40.22 | skynet | ffs |
| 21:40.38 | skynet | I _know_ how to install windows |
| 21:40.53 | PepperBob | cockroach: it usually says that when there is not instance running... |
| 21:40.54 | Justin | cockroach: ls -a /var/run/postgresql/ |
| 21:40.54 | cockroach | PepperBob: one of life's mysteries, i guess :) |
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| 21:41.21 | skynet | Why do i bother coming here as a alternative for tech help |
| 21:41.25 | cockroach | PepperBob: it says http://pastebin.ca/1670486 |
| 21:41.30 | cockroach | Justin: hold on |
| 21:41.31 | PepperBob | cockroach: what does pg_lsclusters say? |
| 21:41.33 | abrotman | maybe next time you should ask Debian questions |
| 21:41.43 | skynet | I just did ffs |
| 21:41.47 | abrotman | no |
| 21:41.49 | Justin | ah, forgot about lsclusters |
| 21:41.54 | PepperBob | cockroach: yeah it seems it's not running or at least not at the default port |
| 21:41.56 | cockroach | Justin: ". .. .s.PGSQL.5434 .s.PGSQL.5434.lock 8.3-main.pid" |
| 21:41.59 | skynet | Im using Debian, i wanna know how to burn a bootable ISO image |
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| 21:42.02 | Justin | yeah, it's running on 5434 |
| 21:42.07 | Quibus | CutMeOwnThroat: I read something about packet writing |
| 21:42.09 | cockroach | Justin: yes, lsclusters looks fine |
| 21:42.10 | skynet | Feel free to version me if you want =/ |
| 21:42.18 | abrotman | bye |
| 21:42.37 | skynet | Right, well you're no help |
| 21:42.41 | Justin | cockroach: edit /etc/postgresql/8.3/main/postgresql.conf, change the port to 5432 |
| 21:42.55 | cockroach | Justin: this is what's running: http://pastebin.ca/1670490 |
| 21:43.05 | smellynoser | mkisofs ? |
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| 21:43.13 | Quibus | skynet: use k3b or brasero |
| 21:43.23 | abrotman | skynet: this channel does not exist to help you pirate windows |
| 21:43.28 | Justin | cockroach: yeah, you don't have a problem. you just need to change the port |
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| 21:43.44 | PepperBob | cockroach, Justin : now i wonder where 8.1 is gone... i assume it would not do a dump/restore within the upgrade... |
| 21:43.55 | Justin | PepperBob: no, that is exactly what it does |
| 21:44.00 | cockroach | Justin: still nothing (need to go to the kitchen, brb) |
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| 21:44.11 | Justin | cockroach: you need to restart postgresql after you change the port |
| 21:44.13 | PepperBob | cockroach: you restarted i guess? |
| 21:44.25 | Justin | PepperBob: it brings the new version up on port+1 or so, dumps+restores |
| 21:44.40 | PepperBob | Justin: you are sure it does a dump/restore to bring the old databases to a new version? |
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| 21:44.53 | Justin | PepperBob: yes, that is what pg_upgradecluster does |
| 21:45.04 | skynet | abrotman: I thought you were leaving |
| 21:45.10 | cockroach | PepperBob: of course :) |
| 21:45.23 | skynet | abrotman: Since you refused to offer assistance i understand and respect your decision not to help. |
| 21:45.42 | abrotman | skynet: please go somewhere else, this channel is not going to help you pirate Windows .. end of discussion |
| 21:45.44 | skynet | abrotman: But all honesty, dont fucken tell me anything about my software morals |
| 21:45.46 | PepperBob | wow - i'm really impressed |
| 21:45.54 | cockroach | Justin: the postgres log says "2009-11-13 22:38:17 CET LOG: incomplete startup packet" but it also said that in 8.1 |
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| 21:46.04 | Justin | cockroach: did you change the port to 5432? |
| 21:46.05 | skynet | abrotman: Now you can kindly ignore me or just simply stfu |
| 21:46.07 | skynet | ty |
| 21:46.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, the question how to make a bootable CD is valid, though... I also had problems with that.. |
| 21:46.24 | Justin | cockroach: does pg_lsclusters show 8.1 and 8.3 both on 5432 now? |
| 21:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | the insults aren't really, though |
| 21:46.37 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: from something other than a Windows CD ? |
| 21:46.37 | cockroach | Justin: ah, crap. needed to stop and start, not restart. stupid init script |
| 21:47.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, in my case, yes :) |
| 21:47.14 | skynet | I distinctly remember asking how to burn an iso, doesnt matter what type of OS |
| 21:47.24 | abrotman | skynet: google should be a great help .. have fun |
| 21:47.26 | cockroach | Justin: yes, it does. but my dbs are still missing... |
| 21:47.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | possibly it does matter |
| 21:47.40 | Justin | cockroach: what does psql -l say? |
| 21:47.50 | abrotman | though your original questoin was "<skynet> Does anyone know how i can create a bootable iso file to install XP ?<skynet> Justin: its not in iso format yet" |
| 21:47.58 | cockroach | Justin: postgres, template0 and template1 |
| 21:48.06 | Justin | cockroach: ah, ok |
| 21:48.16 | skynet | ok maybe i should have commented the "install XP" part |
| 21:48.21 | Justin | cockroach: i'd stop the 8.3, drop the cluster, and then try running pg_upgradecluster again |
| 21:48.29 | skynet | But the general question is how would i burn _bootable_ iso |
| 21:48.40 | Justin | cockroach: or do the dump+restore yourself if you know how, pg_upgradecluster usually makes it easy though |
| 21:48.40 | cockroach | Justin: sounds like a reasonable thing to try. thanks, will do. |
| 21:48.43 | valdyn | skynet: burning is the same for bootable and non-bootable images |
| 21:48.52 | Justin | cockroach: and by drop the cluster I mean drop the 8.3 cluster :) |
| 21:49.11 | Justin | cockroach: debian postgresql packages will let 4 different versions of postgresql happily coexist |
| 21:49.19 | skynet | valdyn: yes but some ISO's can be made bootable |
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| 21:49.35 | skynet | I know this because i've burned several bootable CD's that were originally ISO format |
| 21:49.38 | abrotman | skynet: microsoft distributes bootable ISOs |
| 21:49.42 | cockroach | Justin: ... which is nice. but weird to handle for the part-time postgres admin :) |
| 21:49.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | I always thought k3b had an option for it |
| 21:49.48 | skynet | valdyn: My question was not to bring a Windows question to a Linux channel |
| 21:49.52 | valdyn | skynet: not *some* |
| 21:49.57 | skynet | I was simply trying to find out how it was done |
| 21:50.03 | Justin | cockroach: only problems I ever had was 8.1 -> 8.3 with a DB that wasn't in UTF encoding but had UTF in it |
| 21:50.23 | Yolarina | I am trying to do a full upgrade from lenny to squeeze, but it wants to remove GNOME. Will a "aptitude install gnome gnome-desktop-environment" install back all (most?) of the packages again if I let it remove GNOME? |
| 21:50.25 | Justin | cockroach: that required some dump editing to fix the client encoding stuff, but that was really my fault for not setting things up right in the first place |
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| 21:50.36 | abrotman | Yolarina: you can also try gnome-core |
| 21:50.44 | Yolarina | abrotman: Ok. |
| 21:50.52 | Justin | Yolarina: is it trying to remove 'gnome' or 200 gnome packages? |
| 21:51.01 | Yolarina | Justin: Both. |
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| 21:51.18 | redex | is there any reason why after each reboot my hard drives swap places |
| 21:51.19 | redex | ? |
| 21:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | redex, no |
| 21:51.38 | redex | sda becomes sdb and other way around |
| 21:51.45 | dutchfish | skynet, if you q was how to generate a valid bootable iso in linux; this could be done with genisoimage |
| 21:51.47 | redex | im confused |
| 21:51.55 | sclebo05 | redex: you could mount the drives by UUID, which would work around that |
| 21:52.04 | valdyn | redex: thats to be expected |
| 21:52.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is? |
| 21:52.20 | redex | thanks will look in it |
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| 21:52.38 | PepperBob | Justin: i'm just curious - let's say you have a huge database: it would do a pg_upgradecluster though on he default tablespace there might not be enough space? |
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| 21:53.04 | Justin | PepperBob: I suppose so, that has been a problem with postgresql in general |
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| 21:53.35 | valdyn | Yolarina: worst case you have to handpick the apps you want |
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| 21:54.05 | iluminator101 | whats default swap file type in freebsd |
| 21:54.13 | skynet | dutchfish: I could probably use this |
| 21:54.18 | skynet | Thanx |
| 21:54.18 | PepperBob | mh... could issue pain :) |
| 21:54.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | skynet, yeah, there's also live-magic aboot-cross and ... genisoimage |
| 21:54.35 | skynet | abrotman can probably learn from this experience as well |
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| 21:55.19 | abrotman | Either he has the original CD and get an new ISO, or downloads from MS which distributes ISOs .. both are bootable, shouldn't have a problem either way |
| 21:55.34 | abrotman | please stop helping him pirate software |
| 21:55.51 | cockroach | Justin: woohoo, worked. |
| 21:56.15 | Justin | cockroach: yay |
| 21:56.21 | valdyn | abrotman: thats fair use here |
| 21:56.23 | dutchfish | abrotman, there is a valid way of generating wim images with custom preped installs, but for the rest i agree on you |
| 21:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I didn't... those made Debian boot CDs :) |
| 21:56.38 | abrotman | valdyn: not if he's asking for help pirating software |
| 21:56.59 | dutchfish | abrotman, true |
| 21:57.04 | cockroach | well, thanks to everybody for helping |
| 21:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... except genisoimage |
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| 21:57.38 | valdyn | abrotman: what hes doing is fair use here, I mean |
| 21:57.43 | dutchfish | CutMeOwnThroat, yup |
| 21:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | apart from his purpose, if fair use or pirating... we should have a factoid on this... I just didn't figure it out well enough yet |
| 21:58.19 | abrotman | valdyn: but freenode has a policy about software piracy .. and MS distributes ISOs that work (him stating that it wasn't in ISO form yet, should be a pretty good clue) |
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| 21:58.51 | solaristar | hey guys, how would i scp a file to multiple servers from a 1liner? like say the servers rae foo1-8.bar.com i thought i could surround the 1-8 with () or [] or {} but that doesnt work |
| 21:59.08 | dutchfish | abrotman, sorry, but customized wim images is a valid way |
| 21:59.23 | abrotman | dutchfish: i'm sure they have great instructions on how to do it |
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| 21:59.30 | dutchfish | abrotman, yes |
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| 22:00.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, not necessarily - he might have had one of those rescue CDs... I think creating a real installation CD from that and/or the contents of his PC would be considered fair use in the EU.... while a pirated .iso would already be bootable... (it's moot to discuss, though, because we can't find out what he really wanted to do) |
| 22:00.26 | dutchfish | !offtopic |
| 22:00.27 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
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| 22:04.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, isn't that funny, how nobody says anything for at least a few minutes everyone invokes this factoid? |
| 22:04.33 | solaristar | anyone able to assist? |
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| 22:08.22 | valdyn | solaristar: while read server; do scp file $server:; done < server_list.txt |
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| 22:08.49 | solaristar | valdyn isnt there a dif way to do it? |
| 22:09.13 | solaristar | like scp whatever foo[1-9]:. |
| 22:09.20 | solaristar | i thought there was a way similar to that |
| 22:09.36 | solaristar | i was trying to di it w/o a server_list.txt |
| 22:09.38 | solaristar | *do |
| 22:09.54 | valdyn | solaristar: your [1..9] assumes bash globbing, but your servers are not files |
| 22:10.15 | solaristar | so the only way that'd work is if it was a file |
| 22:10.16 | abrotman | do like a for i in seq ? |
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| 22:11.03 | valdyn | solaristar: man seq |
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| 22:12.34 | Tramp | solaristar: user@hostfoo{1..8}.com, if that's what you want |
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| 22:13.41 | valdyn | Tramp: and how would you walk that list? |
| 22:13.56 | Tramp | scp apparently takes multiple targets as arguments |
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| 22:14.36 | Tramp | but I'm not sure about this scp syntax, to be honest. |
| 22:14.49 | valdyn | it should take multiple sources, like cp |
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| 22:15.02 | solaristar | scp foo bar{1..8}:. transfers the first and then fails |
| 22:15.24 | valdyn | solaristar: that should transfer the first to bar8 |
| 22:15.31 | valdyn | solaristar: and not find bar1 |
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| 22:15.57 | valdyn | seq works though anyway |
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| 22:16.11 | nsadmin | what program recognizes this syntax: {1..8} |
| 22:16.12 | solaristar | ah valdyn: ok gotcha |
| 22:16.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | solaristar, for server in foo{1..9} ; do echo scp xxx $server; done |
| 22:16.46 | joeytwiddle | nsadmin: it appears to be expanded by the shell |
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| 22:16.50 | joeytwiddle | into multipl arguments |
| 22:16.51 | Tramp | valdyn: yeah, you're right. multiple sources, not targets. So he needs a loop in any case |
| 22:17.19 | nsadmin | hmm, that it does |
| 22:17.26 | pobega | Does anyone know if there is a way (using PAM) to disable passwd completely, with a customized error message? |
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| 22:17.35 | joeytwiddle | works for zsh too btw ;) |
| 22:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | solaristar, ask #bash for more, they're better than here for that type of thing... |
| 22:17.54 | solaristar | CutMeOwnThroat: perfect ty |
| 22:18.01 | solaristar | that was perfect what you did |
| 22:18.08 | dutchfish | pobega, you mean shell access? |
| 22:18.17 | solaristar | i knew it was possible, thanks, i usually do redirection from a file like valdyn originally showed me |
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| 22:19.02 | nsadmin | pobega people are asking you questions whose answer they will use to help you |
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| 22:19.28 | nsadmin | you might want to pay attention |
| 22:19.30 | pobega | dutchfish: No, I want /bin/passwd to fail with an error message |
| 22:19.54 | nsadmin | so you don't want them to change their password |
| 22:19.57 | pobega | nsadmin: uh...okay? Thanks for being so helpful I guess? |
| 22:20.04 | pobega | nsadmin: Basicallyu |
| 22:20.05 | dutchfish | pobega, thats only possible when you alter pam, not advisable unless you know what you are doing |
| 22:20.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | "chmod a-rwx /bin/passwd"? |
| 22:20.07 | pobega | Basically, even |
| 22:20.45 | pobega | CutMeOwnThroat: We have a custom script to update passwords across all of our systems, so I want /bin/passwd to fail with "use /bin/passwd-new" or something similar |
| 22:21.02 | pobega | without actually altering /bin/passwd itself, that is |
| 22:21.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo "#!/bin/sh\necho use /bin-passwd-new" >/bin/passwd" |
| 22:21.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah, you should of said |
| 22:21.35 | pobega | CutMeOwnThroat: :D |
| 22:21.40 | nsadmin | pobega: cool; I didn't want you to be one of the thousands who come here, ask a question, get asked a qualifying question and never respond... |
| 22:21.43 | dutchfish | pobega, i thought pam supports that already by default except that message |
| 22:21.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see the point in that |
| 22:21.53 | pobega | nsadmin: Nah, I always hang out here. I hate when people do that too. |
| 22:22.03 | pobega | nsadmin: I am here lurking even when I'm not speaking ... >:] |
| 22:22.23 | nsadmin | so when you are you're spurking? |
| 22:22.24 | pobega | dutchfish: I'm not sure, I can't bring anything up on Google about it. |
| 22:22.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you surely can disallow changing passwords... |
| 22:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | "man pam.conf" might be more useful than google |
| 22:23.02 | pobega | CutMeOwnThroat: well, I need a quick fix until I get LDAP stuff working (it's saving in cleartext and I can't figure out why) |
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| 22:23.16 | nsadmin | so you want to use a different /usr/bin/passwd? |
| 22:23.25 | pobega | I need to push a temporary fix out to the lab until I fix the actual problem |
| 22:23.31 | pobega | If that makes any sense |
| 22:23.35 | nsadmin | yep |
| 22:23.46 | pobega | nsadmin: basically, that's the idea |
| 22:23.51 | nsadmin | why not have the temporary fix be: |
| 22:23.54 | pobega | But I don't want to alter the system's passwd |
| 22:24.03 | pobega | may cause problems in future updates and such |
| 22:24.05 | nsadmin | - back up /usr/bin/passwd |
| 22:24.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see what's wrong with "chmod a-rwx /usr/bin/passwd" in that case |
| 22:24.26 | portablejim | My debain 5.0.3 system installed in virtualbox 3.0.6 seems very unstable. Every boot I get the message "Your system had a kernel failure". |
| 22:24.29 | nsadmin | actually meetoo |
| 22:24.50 | nsadmin | !debain |
| 22:24.50 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The founder of Debian was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 22:24.57 | pobega | nsadmin: CutMeOwnThroat: If there is an upgrade to the package /bin/passwd belongs to, the upgrade will bork my changes and cause passwords to be changed in plaintext again |
| 22:24.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 22:25.04 | valdyn | pobega: why dont you dpkg-divert the old passwd and put your own version there? |
| 22:25.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's /usr/bin/passwd on debian |
| 22:25.24 | nsadmin | pobega: can you fix the problem before you upgrade? |
| 22:25.27 | pobega | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm not paying attention enough I guess |
| 22:25.38 | pobega | nsadmin: true. I should be able to iron it out before the next release (if not then I'm a lazy sysadmin) |
| 22:25.39 | dutchfish | pobega, pam_cracklib |
| 22:25.41 | valdyn | pobega: dpkg-divert will avoid your last issue |
| 22:25.55 | pobega | valdyn: I didn't even know that existed. Learn something new every day :] |
| 22:26.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | pobega, you said it's temporary... the problem you describe would only happen over a longer timespan, though? |
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| 22:26.21 | pobega | The problem is we also have a Gentoo lab (I know, this isn't #gentoo) and I need something that would work across both |
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| 22:26.48 | dutchfish | pobega, you might consider ldap |
| 22:26.52 | pobega | And to be frank I never got along with #gentoo, so I asked here first |
| 22:27.04 | pobega | dutchfish: We have LDAP, but like I said the passwords and being saved in plaintext and I can't figure out why |
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| 22:27.17 | pobega | And I JUST started this job, so I have TONS of docs to read. I'm basically starting from the ground up. |
| 22:27.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | which rule is it, that nobody ever states the full problem in his question, but refines the question bit by bit until it's something totally different? |
| 22:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | pobega, I still vote for the chmod |
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| 22:27.45 | pobega | CutMeOwnThroat: I said earlier that the problem was LDAP |
| 22:27.56 | pobega | CutMeOwnThroat: And my initial question was how to do it with PAM, not alternatives |
| 22:28.04 | pobega | I do appreciate the opinions, though |
| 22:28.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, but you can't ask us to read 50 pages of confusing pam documentation for you |
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| 22:28.57 | pobega | I was just hoping someone knew so I can push a quick hack out before actually figuring out the problem (which I've been working on for a few days now) |
| 22:29.16 | pobega | Maybe I'll just chmod it until I fix it. |
| 22:29.17 | valdyn | pobega: theres a few more more or less popular ways to change passwords too |
| 22:29.25 | valdyn | pobega: those are already disabled? |
| 22:29.32 | dutchfish | pobega, http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/linuxcommand.org/man_pages/slappasswd8.html (ldap passwd encrypt uses a SALT |
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| 22:29.39 | Kuifje111 | hi.. I am trying to set up an ipv4 to ipv6 tunnel using tunnelbroker.net on debian. the sites gives quite clear descriptions on the site (see the pastebin link), however my question is how do actually create the tunnel to let for example tunnel localhost:1000 to ipv6.google.com? http://pastebin.com/d7d2f3d64 |
| 22:29.46 | tijoev | after removing and reinstalling the alsa debian packages and running alsaconf, I still have no sound. Using alsamixer, I unmuted IEC958, Mic Boost and Mic Select; then changed IEC958 Playback Source to Analog I and I get hissy sound. If I mute the Mic Select the volume decreases but sound is still present. I have tried many variations but cannot get clear normal sound. |
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| 22:29.59 | portablejim | My debian 5.0.3 system ...(see above post) |
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| 22:30.06 | pobega | valdyn: what other ways are those? |
| 22:30.13 | valdyn | Kuifje111: instructions are on the site of the tunnel broker |
| 22:30.16 | pobega | valdyn: I'm taking over these labs, so I'm not sure if the other admins has those ways disabled. |
| 22:30.27 | valdyn | Kuifje111: and they are not the same across different tunnel brokers |
| 22:30.51 | valdyn | pobega: usermod |
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| 22:31.17 | solaristar | ok so could i take this a step further for server in foobar{1..8}; do /some/script/here; done >> output_file ? |
| 22:31.20 | hoo-hah | hi guys. just curious why font rendering in debian appears to be different than ubuntu. |
| 22:31.27 | buckfast | I set up static IP for a wired connection under Network Settings, but it doesnt work and when I reopen Network Settings, all my settings are gone |
| 22:31.31 | hoo-hah | what key terms should I look into? |
| 22:31.38 | pobega | valdyn: I'll check that, thanks. And I think I'm going to go with the chmod for now, until I can figure this out. Also, thanks for the link. |
| 22:31.41 | pobega | I appreciate everyone's help |
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| 22:32.11 | Kuifje111 | valdyn: thanks, I think I got it. |
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| 22:32.44 | nsadmin | pobega: certainly that would be the easiest... |
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| 22:35.39 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, if stable, the tk/tcl is older 8.4 at the top of my hat, and does not render for certain aps. Is that what you mean? |
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| 22:36.01 | solaristar | or this maybe; for foo in bar{1..8}, do ssh $foo "/my/script/to/run";done >> outfile ? |
| 22:36.08 | valdyn | hoo-hah: different how? |
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| 22:36.30 | dutchfish | hoo-hah, with render i meant anti-aliasing |
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| 22:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | solaristar, it really stops working if you exchange the ; against a , |
| 22:37.20 | solaristar | erm sorry that was a typo :) |
| 22:37.30 | solaristar | that'd work tho yes? |
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| 22:37.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdyti solaristar |
| 22:37.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dammit |
| 22:37.43 | dpkg | Why don't you just try it, solaristar? |
| 22:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 22:37.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, you're freaking slow |
| 22:37.52 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: I give up, what is it? |
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| 22:38.16 | nsadmin | dpkg: it's you! |
| 22:38.16 | dpkg | nsadmin: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 22:38.41 | nsadmin | seems fast enuf to throw error message... |
| 22:38.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, ah shaddup |
| 22:38.55 | dpkg | shuts up. |
| 22:39.21 | nsadmin | dpkg: how fast do you freak? |
| 22:39.23 | dpkg | nsadmin: i don't know |
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| 22:40.00 | Gertm | where do I configure the console keymap? |
| 22:40.08 | nsadmin | dpkg: CutMeOwnThroat says you freak slowly... |
| 22:40.09 | dpkg | nsadmin: i don't know |
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| 22:41.11 | Andrew__ | http://ihatejade.com/?id=ea2j9m226fmtuok0hfkliu8s0fltz9 |
| 22:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, I think you remarked sufficiently on that now... |
| 22:41.14 | Andrew__ | http://ihatejade.com/?id=ea2j9m226fmtuok0hfkliu8s0fltz9 |
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| 22:41.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | !keymap |
| 22:41.28 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 22:41.41 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: I resemble that remark! |
| 22:41.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, a self-solving problem |
| 22:41.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, hehe |
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| 22:42.18 | buckfast | what should i put as broadcast address for eth0 |
| 22:42.25 | azm | why are packages in debian repos old ? |
| 22:42.28 | NfNitLoop | Hrmm. I've got en entry in /etc/network/interfaces to bring up an interface for ipv6. It's got an "auto he-ipv6" to bring it up at boot, and "ifup he-ipv6" brings it up, but it never comes up automatically at boot. Any suggestions? |
| 22:43.13 | NfNitLoop | I don't see any errors or mention of it in /var/log/* |
| 22:43.26 | NfNitLoop | and like I said, bringing it up manually works just fine. |
| 22:44.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | buckfast, depends on your type of subnet, I guess... most commonly something like 192.22.69.255 (supposing you have netmask 255.255.255.0) |
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| 22:46.32 | buckfast | CutMeOwnThroat: this doesnt work, I cant get the net working, I've set static ip address and the netmask and gateway in network/interfaces |
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| 22:47.44 | steeec | screen |
| 22:47.57 | nsadmin | buckfast: pastebin /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:48.06 | nsadmin | buckfast: define "doesn't work" |
| 22:48.16 | buckfast | ping doesnt work |
| 22:48.44 | nsadmin | what interface is the static IP on? |
| 22:48.51 | buckfast | I cant really copy it, but its the default file, but with static ip |
| 22:48.55 | buckfast | address 192.168.1.65 |
| 22:49.01 | buckfast | netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 22:49.15 | nsadmin | ok, so which interface? |
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| 22:49.29 | buckfast | eth0 |
| 22:49.38 | nsadmin | try: |
| 22:49.44 | nsadmin | ifdown eth0 |
| 22:49.48 | nsadmin | ifup eth0 |
| 22:49.51 | Toteter | online boxing game http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html sorry im just testing my page. enter if you want |
| 22:50.27 | buckfast | nsadmin: it says interface eth0 is not configured |
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| 22:50.48 | nsadmin | buckfast, ok, try ifup eth0 |
| 22:51.23 | nsadmin | note... ifup and ifdown (and others) read /etc/network/interfaces) |
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| 22:51.49 | buckfast | that works, but I think the broadcast address might be wrong |
| 22:52.09 | nsadmin | what address is that? |
| 22:52.31 | buckfast | I tryed with 192.22.69.255 |
| 22:52.55 | nsadmin | oh, that addr isn't on your immediate net |
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| 22:53.28 | nsadmin | bcast = net addr | (~netmask) |
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| 22:55.42 | buckfast | net addr? |
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| 22:57.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | 192.168.1.65 --> 192.168.1.255 |
| 22:57.18 | buckfast | this doesnt work either |
| 22:57.29 | sthon | Anyone have any idea why fail2ban-regex would detect thousands of failed ssh logins but fail2ban isn't banning anything? Debian Etch with a bpo of fail2ban fail2ban_0.8.3-1~bpo40+1 |
| 22:57.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | !doesn't work |
| 22:57.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 22:57.44 | buckfast | ifcofnig shows the new address but there still isnt a respond to ping |
| 22:57.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | what are you trying to ping |
| 22:58.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that's eth0, I guess this is not a virtual machine... |
| 22:58.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ping the router (or another computer on the local net) before trying to ping outside |
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| 22:59.05 | sthon | fail2ban.log shows the jail starting and maxretry findtime, etc all that good stuff but shows no attempts of banning |
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| 22:59.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | sthon, because you didn't configure the ban-command properly? |
| 22:59.56 | azm | Im getting this error while make install |
| 22:59.57 | azm | make: *** No rule to make target `liblua/liblua.a' |
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| 23:00.01 | azm | what is it please ? |
| 23:00.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | a make error |
| 23:00.36 | sthon | CutMeOwnThroat: I have the same configuration on about 10 servers, same version of debian and fail2ban works fine on all but this server |
| 23:00.51 | buckfast | err.. for some reason resolv.conf had the line 'domain *** in it', removed that and theres a connection now :) |
| 23:01.23 | buckfast | wonder why linux put that line there |
| 23:01.27 | buckfast | this is a fresh install |
| 23:01.51 | azm | ah I forget to make |
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| 23:03.58 | sthon | CutMeOwnThroat: Besides if the ban-command was improperly configured fail2ban.log would show attempts to ban, it's not even doing that. |
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| 23:04.07 | buckfast | thanks for the help nsadmin and CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:04.22 | nsadmin | buckfast can you ping 192.168.1.1? |
| 23:05.06 | nsadmin | oh you got it |
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| 23:05.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | pings nsadmin |
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| 23:11.40 | jburns | So I updated from lenny to squeeze. that broke the nvidia drivers for xorg. Which nvidia packag do I need to install to get my nvidia kernel modules back? |
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| 23:11.52 | jburns | I already tried nvidia-kernel-common. |
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| 23:14.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | !nvidia squeeze |
| 23:14.15 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
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| 23:15.15 | bickie | hi all, what's a good way to debug slow points in software RAID IO performance |
| 23:15.23 | bickie | i just fiddled some mount points/LVM partitions around |
| 23:15.33 | bickie | and now my RAID0 seems to be really laggy/pause-y |
| 23:15.41 | bickie | and unsure why or how to debug/trace? |
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| 23:16.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I too, would be unsure why or how to debug/trace? |
| 23:16.16 | jburns | !tum |
| 23:16.16 | dpkg | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution |
| 23:16.22 | bickie | debian lenny 2.6.26-1-amd64 #1 SMP, LVM2, software raid0 ext3 |
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| 23:17.03 | LordVorp | where is good docs to tell me how to take .dsc .orig.tar.gz .diff.gz and build a .deb ? |
| 23:17.19 | bickie | the only slightly weird thing I'm doing is using --bind mounts a couple of times |
| 23:17.24 | bickie | but I've used them before without problems |
| 23:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-get -b source <package>" will do it |
| 23:17.53 | LordVorp | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks but I'm trying to build a squeeze package on lenny... :) |
| 23:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssb |
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| 23:18.02 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 23:18.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | same applies for packages from squeeze |
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| 23:18.26 | LordVorp | k, i'll see what I can see, thank you very much |
| 23:18.44 | LordVorp | !backports |
| 23:18.45 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 23:18.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | only... I ran into problems with (some of) the programs I was interested in |
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| 23:21.04 | LordVorp | fortunately this package (nginx) isn't that complex, I don't anticipate this to be a problem, now that I have a good recipe |
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| 23:23.01 | jburns | seems strange that nvidia isn't part of squeeze but it's part of sid? |
| 23:23.23 | LordVorp | CutMeOwnThroat: that worked, I'm in like flynn, thanks again! |
| 23:24.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, well, I tried to backport miro 2.x and ekiga 3.x and for both you can't get the dependencies together easily |
| 23:24.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't remember the details |
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| 23:24.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 23:24.52 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.36-2 |
| 23:25.12 | mrXX | guys, anyone plz help me setup multiple localhosts in uubuntu!! i m tired of trying |
| 23:25.27 | simonrvn | mrXX: #ubuntu |
| 23:25.30 | dondelelcaro | mrXX: ask #ubuntu; they can help you there. |
| 23:25.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | jburns, seems it is now... and as far as I remember, the version that was in squeeze didn't work with the xorg in squeeze, so it needed the one from sid |
| 23:25.48 | mrXX | they sent me to httpd , httpd sent me here lol |
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| 23:26.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | mrXX, feel free to come back for telling us where #ubuntu sent you... |
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| 23:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | jburns, or... more like the kernel in squeeze didn't compile for the newest kernels |
| 23:29.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, I think that was it... |
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| 23:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jburns, just use the nvidia-kernel-source from squeeze... then you can change the factoid (or tell me and I'll change it) |
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| 23:34.01 | jburns | CutMeOwnThroat: I purged all of my installed nvidia packages. |
| 23:34.06 | jburns | Trying to reinstall now. |
| 23:34.10 | themill | !nvidia squeeze |
| 23:34.10 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
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| 23:35.05 | themill | judd versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 23:35.06 | judd | themill: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.36-2 |
| 23:35.12 | tijoev | anyone here can help with debigging sound? |
| 23:35.22 | tijoev | debugging |
| 23:35.35 | rares | if i want 3 nearly equal ranges of ips in the DHCP server (router) all at 192.168.0.x (192.168.x.y seems to not be well liked by the Q1000) what would the start end broadcast gateway and netmasks be i'm confuzzled |
| 23:35.45 | themill | plays catchup with the scrollback.... |
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| 23:36.08 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: You need to get everything from sid to get it to compile with the squeeze kernel. |
| 23:36.20 | rares | also how do I get xorg to use VESA 3.0 (uvesafb) |
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| 23:45.08 | jburns | themill: it's definite that I need to add a couple sid lines to /etc/apt/sources.list and get nvidia packages from sid? Seems kind of strange. |
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| 23:47.15 | themill | jburns: one line should be sufficient, but yes, there's no way of apt fetching things from sid if you don't tell it how. |
| 23:48.16 | jburns | themill: I'm just surprised that nvidia packages aren't in the next slated release, but the one after. |
| 23:49.23 | themill | jburns: nvidia is always quite difficult to get to work with both the kernel and xorg at the same time. It often doesn't actually make it into testing until a few weeks prior to release. |
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| 23:51.08 | markybob | http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source |
| 23:52.20 | abrotman | jburns: and sid isn't the 'next slated release' |
| 23:54.38 | jburns | abrotman: squeeze is the next slated release no? |
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| 23:56.07 | enyawix | how do i get a package from testing? |
| 23:56.49 | themill | !wayttd enyawix |
| 23:56.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, enyawix? |
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| 23:57.34 | abrotman | jburns: sorry .. 'sid is not the next after' |
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| 23:59.36 | jburns | so I should just add "deb http://mirrors.xmission.com/debian/ sid main contrib non-free" to /etc/apt/sources.list and then go about getting nvidia? |