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| 00:01.19 | themill | jburns: that and the rest of the things that the "tum" factoid you read earlier suggested, yes. (I'm presuming you've got a valid mirror there) |
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| 00:04.38 | acu | I run Squeeze amd64 and Iceweasel flashplugin does not produce sound at all - I can play sound OK from normal audio or video cds - but no youtube et al - what is the solution ? |
| 00:06.02 | simonrvn | acu: stop using flash :P |
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| 00:06.53 | simonrvn | acu: enabling sound in flash with ff/iw makes ff/iw crash |
| 00:06.57 | rares | so how do I split 192.168.0.2-254 into 3 ranges (can they all share 192.168.0.1 as a gateway) 1 range is the home wireless/lan net, another is the shared inet access for people walking by, and the last one is access to the local non internet offerings (a wireless BBS) |
| 00:06.59 | acu | simonrvn: what should I use :P |
| 00:07.07 | simonrvn | so t's disabled by default in some versions |
| 00:07.52 | abrotman | rares: #networking |
| 00:08.14 | acu | simonrvn, the video works - I have no audio - gnash sucks big time (means it does not work) - I think having a flashplayer is very basic for any desktop in 2009 |
| 00:08.53 | rares | abrotman: k thx - seems like a parking lot that channel, at least right now it does |
| 00:08.57 | simonrvn | flash should die, imo, but unfortunately many sites use the crap. |
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| 00:09.05 | hoo-hah | valdyn: I think regarding rendering |
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| 00:10.11 | acu | simonrvn: anything which dies should be replaced with something - until then I need it and is so frustrating not to be able to make it work - it is like black magic not computer |
| 00:10.24 | LuminolBlue | Hi folks. - If I plug in a USB device into a machine running Debian 5, shouldn't it at least TRY to recognize the device? |
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| 00:11.18 | simonrvn | acu: i know, and there is tech. that can replace it which is open standards-based and open source. the main obstacle is legacy OSes like wincrap. |
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| 00:12.11 | simonrvn | s,is,are, |
| 00:12.57 | hoo-hah | is there something to be done about enabling cleartype in debian? |
| 00:13.12 | hoo-hah | I think that's why rendering differs from ubuntu |
| 00:13.40 | hoo-hah | (and pretty much any other distro I've seen) |
| 00:13.42 | simonrvn | i thought it already was |
| 00:13.59 | enyawix | simonrvn: Did you say stop using flash? |
| 00:14.08 | enyawix | Flash rocks |
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| 00:14.41 | centHOGG | did you see that silverlight is asking for install |
| 00:14.44 | centHOGG | more now |
| 00:14.46 | simonrvn | yes i did. if you have a problem with that talk to my upraised hand. |
| 00:15.00 | hoo-hah | lol |
| 00:15.12 | LuminolBlue | Does anyone have an answer to my question? |
| 00:15.33 | hoo-hah | LuminolBlue: how did you ascertain that it's not recognised? |
| 00:15.43 | hoo-hah | /proc/partitions? |
| 00:16.21 | rares | LuminolBlue: recognizing is not an art or process - if it ain't on the list it ain't on the list |
| 00:16.44 | simonrvn | acu: you can nable the audio by cp'ing the iceweaselrc from etc to your ~/.mozilla and editing the file (try alsa or such) |
| 00:16.48 | abrotman | LuminolBlue: dmesg ? |
| 00:17.04 | simonrvn | meh |
| 00:17.08 | LuminolBlue | hoo-hah: Because my Belkin N1 USB Adapter isn't working. |
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| 00:18.01 | LuminolBlue | abrotman: dmesg? |
| 00:18.43 | abrotman | it's a command .. |
| 00:18.50 | hoo-hah | LuminolBlue: you could also try lspci -n |
| 00:19.02 | hoo-hah | or lsusb |
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| 00:19.34 | enyawix | dpkg pidgin |
| 00:19.35 | dpkg | Pidgin (formerly <GAIM>) is a graphical cross-platform multi-protocol instant messaging client. Backported packages are available for Lenny and Etch, ask me about <bpo> or <bpo etch>. FAQ: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/FAQ . http://www.pidgin.im/ #pidgin on irc.freenode.net. XMPP Multi-User Chat: devel@conference.pidgin.im. See also <pidgin yahoo>, <pidgin bpo>, <finch>. |
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| 00:20.52 | bookmark | hallow |
| 00:21.15 | bookmark | does someone tell me how to apply a cp -a durring shutdown? |
| 00:21.49 | enyawix | no use |
| 00:21.51 | bookmark | and reboots |
| 00:22.39 | enyawix | add testing to my sources install pidgin than remove testing? |
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| 00:24.00 | enyawix | is off to pray to google |
| 00:24.21 | tensorpudding | google doesn't answer prayers |
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| 00:25.09 | tensorpudding | it just indexes god's favors |
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| 00:25.16 | abrotman | enyawix: don't do that |
| 00:25.17 | enyawix | :) |
| 00:25.26 | abrotman | !tell enyawix about bpo |
| 00:25.34 | jburns | okay, I'm going to assume that my nvidia is b0rked because modules-assistant is unable to compile nvidia kernel source. Anyone know anything about errors in fontconfig that say "Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file" I even get the errors when trying aptitude reinstall fontconfig |
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| 00:26.08 | hoo-hah | tensorpudding: *God's |
| 00:26.24 | tensorpudding | eh |
| 00:26.27 | tensorpudding | should be Google too |
| 00:26.33 | tensorpudding | i'm apathetic about capitals |
| 00:27.59 | enyawix | abrotman: i have the pidgin form the back ports pidgin. I can nut use yahoo with it but yahoo works on my laptop that has testing on it |
| 00:28.11 | abrotman | judd: versions pidgin |
| 00:28.12 | judd | abrotman: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny4~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny5 lenny-backports: 2.6.3-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.3-1 squeeze: 2.6.3-1 |
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| 00:28.24 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 00:28.29 | abrotman | enyawix: they have the same version |
| 00:28.33 | enyawix | sleep well |
| 00:29.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | themill, what's "everything"? nvidia-source has the same version in squeeze as in sid right now |
| 00:29.17 | enyawix | abrotman: ok something on my box is broken |
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| 00:29.39 | xsdg | I just installed a new machine. How do I turn X11 Zap back on so that it works from gdm? |
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| 00:30.10 | abrotman | !dontzap |
| 00:30.11 | dpkg | To disable termination of your X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, place Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, see xorg.conf(5). Testing/unstable users: see also http://bugs.debian.org/532420#26 |
| 00:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | zapzapzapzap... |
| 00:32.00 | hoo-hah | how do I specify extended keymaps in debian? (/usr/share/keymaps/i386/include) I can't find a keymap config file |
| 00:32.11 | hoo-hah | or is that something to be done via console-data? |
| 00:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | 's anti-authoritarian seems to have come through |
| 00:32.25 | xsdg | abrotman: bah; there's another "DontZap" bug which doesn't mention the /etc/foo/bar for xkbmap |
| 00:36.12 | themill | CutMeOwnThroat: not according to judd it doesn't |
| 00:36.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? |
| 00:36.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 00:36.27 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 185.18.36-2 |
| 00:36.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 00:36.48 | themill | last time I looked, 173 != 185 :P |
| 00:36.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I must have squinted somewhat badly up there |
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| 00:37.12 | themill | that happens with the current formatting of judd's output, yeah |
| 00:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | rubs his eyes |
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| 00:37.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see how it could be formatted better |
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| 00:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, dunno why I thought I saw the same version for squeeze and sid there |
| 00:38.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | squints |
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| 00:42.01 | hoo-hah | curiously, how do I list all packages from unstable installed on a hybrid testing/sid system? |
| 00:42.21 | markybob | hoo-hah, you dont |
| 00:42.57 | hoo-hah | don't list them? |
| 00:43.17 | markybob | hoo-hah, there's no differentiating |
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| 00:43.56 | hoo-hah | I remember passing some flag to dpkg to list packages, where release is also indicated |
| 00:44.15 | hoo-hah | but I haven't used debian in a while (recently reinstalled) so I forget |
| 00:44.50 | abrotman | !which repo |
| 00:44.50 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository , or use dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete>, or http://people.debian.org/~dannf/apt-inventory |
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| 00:46.11 | hoo-hah | long one, ey? |
| 00:47.43 | enyawix | brb |
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| 00:49.36 | hoo-hah | abrotman: thanks man. |
| 00:50.17 | hoo-hah | it's only bitlbee that I'm using from unstable so far. When it gets into squeeze, will apt-get upgrade choose it over the unstable version currently installed? |
| 00:50.32 | hoo-hah | pinning for non-squeeze at -10 priority |
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| 00:51.35 | simonrvn | hoo-hah: you can mark it at like 40. i don't think it'll take negatives |
| 00:51.59 | abrotman | pinning does |
| 00:52.15 | hoo-hah | it's to prevent accidental installation |
| 00:52.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hoo-hah, or, the next best thing would probably apt-show-versions |
| 00:52.24 | hoo-hah | I think that was from the wiki |
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| 00:53.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hoo-hah, apt-list-versions only works when your version matches the one currently in a repository |
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| 00:58.31 | hoo-hah | CutMeOwnThroat: cheers |
| 00:58.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | isn't it HOHAHA anyway |
| 00:59.04 | hoo-hah | CutMeOwnThroat: something more perverse than that ;) |
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| 00:59.43 | hoo-hah | any of you seen odd mouse problem in dosbox? Focus and lock work fine, but after a second of use, the cursor returns to a fixed position in the window |
| 00:59.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, HOHAHA is the same as a TOCSY... |
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| 01:00.32 | Gm4n | Has anyone had any luck installing red5 on 64bit intel lenny? When I try and run it, the process just vanishes. |
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| 01:02.29 | roland- | any good vnc client that supports copy/paste? |
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| 01:09.08 | rektide | i dont know what i did, but urxvt just popped open a box that says "convert selection" |
| 01:09.14 | rektide | and now X wont respond to any input at all |
| 01:09.21 | rektide | how the hell do i make this crap go away |
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| 01:10.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's this small little button labled "reset" for one |
| 01:11.11 | hoo-hah | SysRq use is better |
| 01:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's that |
| 01:11.40 | rektide | fuck. halp. |
| 01:11.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ctrl-alt-F1 is even better if it still works |
| 01:11.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | what now... fuck... or halp? |
| 01:11.57 | hoo-hah | doubt it, if keys trapped |
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| 01:12.18 | hoo-hah | rektide: using others perl libs? |
| 01:12.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | sometimes logging in via ssh and doing "chvt 1" still works, though |
| 01:12.25 | rektide | i can switch virtual consoles |
| 01:12.35 | rektide | but why would urxvt freeze like this |
| 01:12.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | rektide, kill the processes you suspect block it |
| 01:12.48 | rektide | i have dozens of urxvt processes |
| 01:12.48 | hoo-hah | rektide: Xresources |
| 01:12.54 | enyawix | thanks it works now |
| 01:13.01 | rektide | i dont know which to kill |
| 01:13.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | rektide, pretty often it's the window manager itself, though... and killing that kills X |
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| 01:13.13 | rektide | its not the WM, its urxvt |
| 01:13.22 | rektide | its some "feature" of urxvt i dont know how to use |
| 01:13.26 | rektide | or how to stop |
| 01:13.28 | Zxcvb | will setting CONCURRENCY_LEVEL too low when compiling a kernel hurt anything? |
| 01:13.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | or it's urxvt making your WM do something strange... |
| 01:13.48 | abrotman | Zxcvb: too low ? |
| 01:13.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | I get something similar with fvwm2 ... much too often |
| 01:14.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's so low... |
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| 01:14.03 | hoo-hah | rektide: htop in tree mode helps |
| 01:14.16 | enyawix | afterstep died? |
| 01:14.24 | rektide | its urxvt grabbing input. but why it grabs it, and how the fuck i make it stop |
| 01:14.28 | rektide | thats what i want to know |
| 01:14.28 | rektide | its a feature |
| 01:14.30 | Zxcvb | like if I use CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=3, then upgrade to a 4 core system, will the kernel run any slower than one that was compiled with a higher level? |
| 01:14.36 | rektide | albiet one i dont understand |
| 01:14.43 | rektide | Zxcvb: no concurrency level affects compiling only |
| 01:14.47 | abrotman | Zxcvb: that's just the compiling |
| 01:15.02 | Zxcvb | ok, just making sure it didn't remember that setting and use it for optimization later |
| 01:15.30 | hoo-hah | rektide: accidental hit key sequence for menu, no doubt |
| 01:15.45 | hoo-hah | ctrl- middleclick |
| 01:15.54 | hoo-hah | so some serious coordination issues there |
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| 01:16.08 | Zxcvb | and if I want a single kernel for both a Pentium M and Core 2 Duo, would I use Pentium M or Core2 for the cpu type? |
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| 01:16.45 | enyawix | is their a vga to dvi converter so i can dock my laptop and net book |
| 01:17.26 | zinx | Zxcvb: you should use i686 |
| 01:17.41 | zinx | Zxcvb: why are you compiling your own? |
| 01:17.55 | Zxcvb | needed to patch the ipw2200 driver |
| 01:18.21 | hoo-hah | rektide: halp still needed? |
| 01:18.37 | abrotman | Zxcvb: for what ? |
| 01:18.43 | Zxcvb | injection |
| 01:18.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Zxcvb, you can compile the module separately |
| 01:18.52 | Zxcvb | Cut |
| 01:18.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | cuts |
| 01:19.22 | Zxcvb | CutMeOwnThroat: only by installing ieee80211 seperately from ieee80211.sf.net, which will probably break other wifi drivers |
| 01:19.29 | hoo-hah | observes a moment of silence |
| 01:19.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | that might be |
| 01:20.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | or might be not |
| 01:20.39 | rektide | https://bugs.launchpad.net/archlinux/+source/rxvt-unicode/+bug/317366 |
| 01:20.53 | abrotman | rektide: that's not Debian |
| 01:21.21 | hoo-hah | abrotman: same bug observed in sid, ubuntu and arch |
| 01:21.29 | hoo-hah | though less documented for debian |
| 01:21.34 | abrotman | did anyone report it upstream ? |
| 01:21.58 | rektide | abrotman: but it describes the bug, which is upstream |
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| 01:26.21 | dz2 | ok, I've now removed flash from my system and neutralised the threat of resource hungry advertising. The problem is now I can't see you tube videos. Is there a flash plugin that gives me more control over which flash videos get access to my monitor? |
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| 01:26.49 | centHOGG | dz2: yup |
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| 01:27.14 | dz2 | and what is the name of it? |
| 01:27.36 | centHOGG | dz2: oh sorry, i meant that flash won't play no more |
| 01:27.45 | hoo-hah | any of you know how to enable use of extended keymaps at console? |
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| 01:29.12 | kronic | I'm trying to setup pam to use radius for passwords only, uid etc... from ldap, I've got ldap configured for nssswtich, in pam.d/common-auth and pam.d/common-account I've got pam_radius_auth |
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| 01:29.46 | kronic | however when I ssh in, I'm able to authenticate, however it's slow in lookup and bash report no uid etc... |
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| 01:30.53 | centHOGG | kronic: have you ever done that before |
| 01:31.02 | centHOGG | setup pam |
| 01:31.26 | DogBoy | trying to compile a newer kernel on a cobalt qube 3 |
| 01:31.42 | kronic | yeah, I'm using pure ldap on a couple of other system's, no issue, however I'm trying to replace radius as the password auth mechanism rather then ldap |
| 01:31.48 | neoice | if I'm using alias interfaces (eth0:1), can they be on different subnets? |
| 01:31.58 | DogBoy | I have sarge installed but I can't get initramfs-tools installed |
| 01:32.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dz2, *sigh* had you asked earlier - there's prefbar, which adds a bar where you can switch flash on/off on a mouseclick |
| 01:32.57 | centHOGG | kronic: yeah, your ahead of me... i would mention a prog which is taboo to name |
| 01:32.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | the change is global, though |
| 01:33.29 | DogBoy | http://pastebin.ca/1670717 |
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| 01:33.55 | dz2 | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks, I will look into it. |
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| 01:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc uses something else to selectively allow/disallow flash, I think |
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| 01:38.57 | rektide | is there any way to setup a wlan's txpower in /etc/network/interafces ? |
| 01:39.06 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: you rang? |
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| 01:39.13 | rektide | i dont think i need 27dBm in order to make it 10 feet |
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| 01:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, ding-dong |
| 01:40.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, dz2 asked about selectively enabling flash for youtube... |
| 01:40.15 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: I use FlashBlock in swiftfox, it stops the flash from running until you click on it |
| 01:40.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that actually sounds nice |
| 01:40.48 | jpinx-eeepc | it's an extension for all ffx flacvours |
| 01:40.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I see my iceweasel rather often using insane amounts of CPU |
| 01:41.16 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: try it - it's a simple extension fro iceweasel too |
| 01:41.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | which is probably due to some crappy flash ads that adblock doesn't catch |
| 01:41.36 | jpinx-eeepc | you can disable/delete it |
| 01:41.53 | jpinx-eeepc | yes - it is great for killing unwanted flash ads |
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| 01:42.20 | jpinx-eeepc | and along with noscript - I pretty much have total and selective control of my browser |
| 01:43.04 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: tbh - I would not be able to work without these - hence my reluctance to use opera/chrome/whatever |
| 01:43.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think you might like opera from what I've heard |
| 01:44.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | except for being non-free and costing money, that is :) |
| 01:44.34 | beardy | It doesn't. |
| 01:44.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | dz2, ^^^^^ |
| 01:44.52 | beardy | It's closed source free as in beer. |
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| 01:45.35 | jpinx-eeepc | dz2: I'm in #debian-offtopic if you want ore info |
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| 01:45.56 | beardy | jpinx-eeepc: I have some questions about iron ore. |
| 01:46.21 | Jorophose | can I install an AMD64 kernel on Debian to just use 4GB+ of RAM and leave the userspace and stuff 32-bit? |
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| 01:48.48 | abrotman | Jorophose: or use the -bigmem kernels |
| 01:49.40 | Jorophose | hmm |
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| 01:50.05 | Jorophose | that sounds interesting. what kind of programs get a speedup from 64-bit? and how would I install a bigmem kernel? |
| 01:50.48 | beardy | Just like any other kernel, with 'aptitude install <packagename>'. |
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| 01:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like a whole sapient species is dieing out there... |
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| 01:54.34 | Jorophose | hmm |
| 01:54.41 | Jorophose | so should I go for a 64-bit kernel or just bigmem? |
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| 01:54.58 | retsudo | nick_page_down |
| 01:55.04 | retsudo | hmm |
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| 01:57.39 | massmc | hello to all |
| 01:57.56 | massmc | what is a good lightweight file manager.. I am using thunar atm |
| 01:58.22 | rares | rox-filer is pretty cool |
| 01:58.33 | markybob | ...that's like jesus asking who the messiah is |
| 01:59.02 | jpinx-eeepc | massmc: pcman fm in lxde is greaat |
| 01:59.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob, what would jesus have answered? |
| 01:59.34 | markybob | CutMeOwnThroat, "fuck you" ? |
| 01:59.38 | rares | pcman seems to also be a chinese bbs |
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| 02:00.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | "pcmanfm"? |
| 02:00.08 | Jorophose | should I just go all-out on a 64-bit install? |
| 02:00.14 | jpinx-eeepc | rares: don't know aboiut taht |
| 02:00.31 | markybob | CutMeOwnThroat, he had to be cool. water into wine? my kinda messiah :P |
| 02:00.33 | massmc | CutMeOwnThroat, is that what the package is called? |
| 02:00.51 | rares | use teh 'tude |
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| 02:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like... feel free to use "apt-cache search <searchterm>" and "apt-cache show <packagename>" |
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| 02:03.33 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the difference between apt-cache search and aptitude search ? |
| 02:03.35 | dz2 | i'm getting this error when doing apt-get update: public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 02:03.47 | dz2 | how can I fix this? |
| 02:04.13 | abrotman | dz2: using backports.org ? |
| 02:04.33 | markybob | jpinx-eeepc, basically, apt-get was done first and aptitude was written as a replacement |
| 02:04.51 | dz2 | no http://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ |
| 02:05.12 | jpinx-eeepc | markybob: yea - I gathereed that, but I thought there is an actual diference in the details of what they do |
| 02:05.26 | dz2 | and http://security.debian.org etch/updates |
| 02:05.31 | markybob | jpinx-eeepc, between apt-get install and aptitude install, yes. but not search |
| 02:05.39 | jpinx-eeepc | dz2: you're running etch? |
| 02:05.52 | jpinx-eeepc | markybob: fairysnuff :) |
| 02:05.59 | markybob | jpinx-eeepc, and other things. like apt-get has autoremove, aptitude doesnt |
| 02:06.46 | dz2 | yes that what is in my sources.list |
| 02:06.48 | abrotman | dz2: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 02:09.16 | icebrain | I've managed to install Alsa+dmix successfully, but now I get a "distorted beep" when I press any Fx key, as well as any CTRL+any combos, but only in Iceweasel! What could it be? |
| 02:09.27 | jpinx-eeepc | dz2: pastebin your sources.list - sounds like ou have a nasty mix.... |
| 02:09.58 | dz2 | sorry, how do I paste bin? |
| 02:10.19 | icebrain | !tell dz2 about paste |
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| 02:13.19 | dz2 | I pasted it? |
| 02:13.59 | dz2 | I was running etch when it was testing I think, sorry I'm a bit behind the times |
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| 02:14.22 | icebrain | dz2: you have to give us the paste URL |
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| 02:14.51 | enyawix | freepbx for debian? freepbx.deb? |
| 02:15.08 | dz2 | http://paste.debian.net/51494 |
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| 02:16.10 | jpinx-eeepc | dz2: you have a bit of a mess in there |
| 02:16.18 | abrotman | dz2: wtf .. you can't mix stable/testing/oldstable/unstable/ubuntu |
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| 02:16.55 | retsudo | lol |
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| 02:17.21 | dz2 | my system has been working fin for years |
| 02:17.25 | dz2 | fine |
| 02:17.41 | icebrain | Debian is more resilient than I thought! xD |
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| 02:18.04 | tensorpudding | debian has lots of hit points |
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| 02:18.15 | tensorpudding | though it is slow moving |
| 02:18.15 | dz2 | well suggest a new sources.list and I'll do an update and hopefully it wont break anything |
| 02:18.47 | enyawix | abrotman: is backports a stable testing mix? |
| 02:18.50 | blizzow1 | I'm having trouble starting any applications that require fontconfig. I've tried reinstalling the applications, and I keep getting errors during reinstall that say: "Fontconfig error: Cannot load default config file" does anyone know anything about this? I've tried removing and purging fontconfig, and that has not helped at all. |
| 02:19.08 | jpinx-eeepc | dz2: the # lines are ok - they are ignored, but the rest needs to define a release by name "etch" "lenny" |
| 02:19.41 | jpinx-eeepc | using "stable" is really dangerous and will catch you out when a new release is made |
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| 02:21.48 | tensorpudding | lenny is stable, and is pretty fresh |
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| 02:23.47 | dz2 | I would be happy to upgrade to lenny |
| 02:24.05 | tensorpudding | what are you on? |
| 02:24.28 | enyawix | i wank kde4 on my lenny |
| 02:24.37 | enyawix | want* |
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| 02:25.13 | dz2 | i'm using gnome 2.22.3 |
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| 02:25.55 | enyawix | i like gnome but it feels slower than kde to me |
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| 02:27.16 | tensorpudding | maybe they might backport kde4 |
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| 02:27.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | that sounds like fun |
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| 02:28.36 | tensorpudding | no, i would say not |
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| 02:31.58 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell dz2 about etch>lenny |
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| 02:32.05 | enyawix | look ok? apt-get -t lenny-backports install kdebase |
| 02:32.08 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell dz2 about etch->lenny |
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| 02:37.52 | pclark | Hi. I need some advice about partitioning/swap. I'm installing debian on a macbookpro and I'd like to have a separate /home partition. Since refit only supports 4 partitions (and two of them are already taken by osx and the efi), I was wondering how big is the need of having a swap partition when my laptop has 2Gb of RAM and I don't use very RAM demanding graphical applications. |
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| 02:38.45 | rgr | seems the lenny installer is not for me. just reinstalled my thinkpad using graphical install and it went smoothly enough. However when I booted it just boots to the command line after login : no gdm installed. stratx wont work saying no screen. Did I miss something obvious in the install? What can I check to see what went wrong? |
| 02:40.50 | abrotman | did you install X ? |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 02:42.22 | icebrain | pclark: are you sure rfit only supports 4 partitions, and not 4 <primary> partitions? |
| 02:42.59 | rgr | abrotman: it was a clean install from the lenny netinst installer. It says gnome is default. |
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| 02:43.20 | abrotman | video card? driver? Xorg.0.log ? aptitude install gnome xorg gdm? |
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| 02:44.05 | pclark | icebrain: are you saying I can install the swap on a logical partition? |
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| 02:44.17 | rgr | said no such package as gnome |
| 02:44.26 | icebrain | pclark: dunno, but you can install /home in a logical partition |
| 02:44.28 | orak3l | i have added testing + unstable repos in my sources list. I have installed a specific package from unstable. the version i rely on is in testing now, but aptitude keeps pulling the new versions vom unstable. i dont want the new unstable versions |
| 02:44.35 | abrotman | rgr: so you don't have network sources setup yet ? |
| 02:44.46 | abrotman | orak3l: did you pin it with preferences ? |
| 02:45.12 | rgr | abrotman: I dont know. I never had this before. It didnt tell me to do anything else. xserver is installed it seems. Do I need to manually alter the sources.list before I can have a dekstop? |
| 02:45.16 | orak3l | yeah 1000 for testing and 800 for unstable |
| 02:45.18 | icebrain | pclark: and from what I've just read, yes, you can |
| 02:45.36 | abrotman | rgr: look in your sources.list .. do you have any http sources or not? |
| 02:45.43 | icebrain | pclark: http://lissot.net/partition/partition-04.html |
| 02:45.46 | abrotman | orak3l: apt-cache policy <foopkg> |
| 02:45.48 | orak3l | ive also added APT::Default-Release "testing"; in apt.conf |
| 02:46.25 | rgr | yes. deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 02:46.39 | abrotman | rgr: so .. aptitude update ? |
| 02:46.41 | rgr | +security +volatile |
| 02:46.46 | frostschutz | pclark: swap can be anywhere, even in a file if you dont have a partition. partition may be interesting for suspend to disk tho |
| 02:47.13 | rgr | is this normal? I installed debian a few times before and this was never needed. I need to go offline from here to try the update again brb. |
| 02:47.44 | orak3l | abrotman, http://nopaste.debianforum.de/31503 |
| 02:48.11 | orak3l | though i dont know why its still on 990. i mean it was 990 but i have changed it to 1000 now |
| 02:48.25 | abrotman | orak3l: aptitude install epiphany-browser .. says what ? |
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| 02:49.07 | pclark | icebrain: frostschutz : thank you guys for the input. I'm going to check whether refit supports 4 primary partitions or 4 partitions in total and I'll try to install the swap on a logical one, but... do you reckon suspend to disk will work over a logical partition? |
| 02:49.18 | orak3l | abrotman, it does nothing. it just print the basic output but does nothing |
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| 02:50.21 | orak3l | abrotman, i guess i could just purge the package and install over. but i have to do it for more than 10 packages |
| 02:50.26 | icebrain | pclark: sure, 'cause it first boots the kernel, which then loads swap, so as long as the kernel supports it (and it does), it works |
| 02:50.34 | abrotman | orak3l: aptitude -t testing install epiphany-browser ? |
| 02:50.56 | orak3l | abrotman, same as above |
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| 02:52.37 | orak3l | abrotman, fyi. i have also installed firefox 3.5 from experimental. as it arrived in unstable aptitude pulled the unstable package |
| 02:52.59 | abrotman | orak3l: if you try to remove epiphany-browser .. what else wnats to go |
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| 02:53.10 | pclark | icebrain: thanks a lot, now i have a clearer picture of what to do |
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| 02:53.34 | orak3l | what do you mean by "what else wants to go"? |
| 02:54.08 | hatter[1] | will lvm on mdadm raid1 result in slower file access or transfer ? |
| 02:54.13 | roland- | question: can I make backup to system using dd if=/dev/sda2 of=file ? |
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| 02:54.33 | abrotman | orak3l: what other pakcages |
| 02:54.43 | abrotman | roland-: that will backup the filesystem as an image |
| 02:55.03 | roland- | that is what I want and then restor it with dd. |
| 02:55.17 | frostschutz | roland-: yes, see also partimage if you want to save some space (or just copy / rsync / tar / dar the files) |
| 02:55.22 | hatter[1] | roland: you can do that... but it is the slowest way, |
| 02:55.40 | roland- | ok but can i do that on a running systemc? |
| 02:55.48 | orak3l | abrotman, ah i think ive got the problem http://nopaste.debianforum.de/31504 |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | orak3l: that's kind of german |
| 02:56.10 | frostschutz | roland-: I'd unmount or remount read-only first, otherwise you end up with an inconsistent file syste |
| 02:56.11 | roland- | i have raid10 with 3war I have like 300 mb/s speed is not an issue. |
| 02:56.46 | frostschutz | roland-: with dd add bs=1M conv=noerror,sync |
| 02:57.01 | roland- | mount -o remount ro / ? and then dd file and the mount it again as rw ? |
| 02:57.21 | hatter[1] | roland: you also end with the largest backup possible with dd, why not use tar ? |
| 03:02.01 | orak3l | it says epiphany-extensions is broken bcos it depends on epiphany-browser >=2.29 |
| 03:02.01 | pclark | icebrain: one last doubt, what do you think is a better practise, to put the /home or the / alongside the swap in the extended partition? |
| 03:02.02 | roland- | hater the system itself was made with 2 huge drives exacly the same and one was exacly for backup. tar all file will load cpu |
| 03:02.02 | frostschutz | pclark: primary/logical does not matter much to linux so you should be able to do whatever suits you |
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| 03:02.02 | roland- | both speed or storage ar not an issue I just need to know if it's possible |
| 03:02.02 | pclark | thaks frostschutz |
| 03:02.02 | \amethyst | which is one thing I don't like about my method |
| 03:02.02 | \amethyst | doh |
| 03:02.02 | frostschutz | roland-: yup, its possible. of course if you make it read only any processes that try to write during this time may fail |
| 03:02.02 | hatter[1] | roland, you can use dd, but it is the slowest way, |
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| 03:02.02 | ZenWalker | hands free whith bluetooth on debian? |
| 03:02.02 | roland- | and cp is not the slowest? or tar files and then copy ? |
| 03:02.02 | orak3l | abrotman, but something is strange with the versioning. epiphany-extensions 2.28.1-2 depends on epiphany >=2.29. what has happened to epiphany-browser 2.28 |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | orak3l: i have it installed here just fine |
| 03:02.02 | frostschutz | roland-: tar files and then copy would be wrong, if anything you'd store the tar file directly where you want it to be in the end |
| 03:02.03 | abrotman | judd: depends epiphany-browser --release squeeze |
| 03:02.03 | judd | abrotman: epiphany-browser -- Depends: epiphany-gecko |
| 03:02.03 | hatter[1] | roland. dd is block by block copy, the entire disk or partition, cp or tar is filesystem level archiving |
| 03:02.03 | orak3l | abrotman, 28 or 29? |
| 03:02.03 | frostschutz | roland-: you could use rsync (and nice it if you are concerned about cpu load) |
| 03:02.03 | hatter[1] | i like rsync |
| 03:02.03 | roland- | i will read all about rsync |
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| 03:02.05 | hatter[1] | especially since rsync will only do changes after the first one |
| 03:02.10 | abrotman | orak3l: mine is .26 here |
| 03:02.24 | frostschutz | rsync is nice esp. if you want to update the copy regularly |
| 03:02.24 | roland- | the issue is that /dev/sda3 for example is a freebsd partition which I want to cooy it into linux, a freebsd virtual machine works on that partition. |
| 03:02.34 | \amethyst | orak3l: epiphany-extensions are packaged separately from epiphany, so the version numbers don't necessarily match |
| 03:03.04 | orak3l | abrotman, ok thanks. |
| 03:03.14 | orak3l | \amethyst, thanke you for clarifying that |
| 03:03.17 | \amethyst | orak3l: there hasn't been a new upstream release for 2.29; the only change is that it has been recompiled against epiphany .29 |
| 03:03.18 | roland- | if rsync know no to touch unmodified files since last backup i guess that is a smart tool. |
| 03:04.06 | hatter[1] | rsync is clever, Andrew Tridgell of samba fame wrote it i think |
| 03:04.34 | roland- | still there is the issue with that virtual machine |
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| 03:04.56 | roland- | cannto rsync that since it's a partition and freebsd uses it. |
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| 03:06.33 | orak3l | \amethyst, thank you again. but i have one more question. since i use debian i stick with aptitude for managing packages. why doesn´t aptitude provide tools like apt-cache, apt-show-version, apt-rdepends etc? or is it better these days to use apt-get in favour of aptitude? |
| 03:07.25 | abrotman | orak3l: which parts of apt-cache ? |
| 03:07.27 | \amethyst | orak3l: those tools aren't part of apt-get either |
| 03:07.38 | \amethyst | orak3l: but aptitude does much of what apt-cache does |
| 03:07.46 | abrotman | orak3l: aptitude has a lot of tools ... |
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| 03:08.16 | orak3l | abrotman, equivalent for apt-get build-deb ? |
| 03:08.26 | abrotman | orak3l: nope, that it doesn't have |
| 03:08.49 | abrotman | orak3l: but most other stuff is there in some form |
| 03:09.41 | orak3l | abrotman, i _love_ the query functionality from aptitude |
| 03:09.57 | edju | Anyone know where the junk (+27s, eg) in this sample from an email might come from? I thought it was html, but the sender swears he sends plain text. " Jean de Vignay=27s French-language version of the =5FLegenda aurea=5F (P=" |
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| 03:14.49 | orak3l | when issuing aptitude search "apt-" it shows a lot of apt tools. i have looked in some of the package descriptions but cant find any web resources mentioned. where does the packages come from? |
| 03:14.58 | ILuvObama | (twitterirctag: I want to kiss Barack Obama on his mouth passionately) Hi. |
| 03:15.33 | ILuvObama | (twitterirctag: I want to kiss Barack Obama on his mouth passionately) I bought a new computer at Wal-Mart and I need to know if it will run Debian AMD64. |
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| 03:15.58 | ILuvObama | (twitterirctag: I want to kiss Barack Obama on his mouth passionately) It is emachines. Is that compatible? I paid $398 for it |
| 03:16.55 | ILuvObama | (twitterirctag: I want to kiss Barack Obama on his mouth passionately) Does AMD64 work on Intel?!!! |
| 03:17.13 | puff | Hi, I am migrating my debian colo to new hardware. There are some broken configs on the old box so I've decided to just build the new box from scratch and migrate user data over. |
| 03:17.24 | ILuvObama | (twitterirctag: I want to kiss Barack Obama on his mouth passionately) I actually wonder why Debian is using a non-vendor neutral name for a port? |
| 03:17.33 | puff | So, two questions: I'm going to use this to get a list of the installed packages: dpkg --get-selections --admindir=/var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 03:17.46 | ILuvObama | (twitterirctag: I want to kiss Barack Obama on his mouth passionately) Hello?! Is this working? |
| 03:18.05 | puff | And then I'm told I can mark those packages for installation by doing: cat packagelist.txt | dpkg --set-selection |
| 03:18.13 | ILuvObama | (twitterirctag: I want to kiss Barack Obama on his mouth passionately) Can anyone answer my question please?! puff? |
| 03:18.13 | orak3l | ILuvObama, please remove the spam in front of your posts |
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| 03:18.22 | puff | But I'll have to go into dpkg and actually hti the Install. |
| 03:18.32 | ILuvObama | (twitterirctag: I want to kiss Barack Obama on his mouth passionately) orak3l sorry I am using a java chat. |
| 03:18.51 | ILuvObama | (twitterirctag: I want to kiss Barack Obama on his mouth passionately) My PC broke and I can't run my other IRC sorry |
| 03:19.05 | puff | So 1a) is there any way to do that part from the command line and 1b) is there any way I can do the equivalent of using aptitude to download all of the package files without installnig them? |
| 03:19.15 | puff | Because I'd rather have it fetch all the package files at once. |
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| 03:19.42 | orak3l | amd64 is the right choiche for you if you want a 64 bit install |
| 03:19.47 | tensorpudding | double-team bans? |
| 03:19.57 | puff | And then qustion 2) besides /home, and /etc, and /etc/passwd and /etc/groups, any where else I should check for user data? |
| 03:20.07 | puff | I wa shtining /var/spool, /var/lib, |
| 03:20.19 | puff | Maybe /usr/local |
| 03:20.34 | dondelelcaro | puff: spool is pretty much the only other place, but it depends what users you're talking about |
| 03:20.45 | puff | Well, obviously /var/lib/mysql, and /var/lib/mailman |
| 03:20.52 | puff | Well, data that is not part o fthe standard install. |
| 03:21.08 | puff | Like the mailman mailing list configs and archives. |
| 03:21.12 | puff | The mysql database files. |
| 03:21.16 | puff | /var/www of course. |
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| 03:21.23 | puff | /var/www of course. |
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| 03:21.44 | puff | Hello? |
| 03:21.46 | puff | Odd. |
| 03:21.48 | puff | /var/www of course. |
| 03:21.55 | puff | And /var/www of course. |
| 03:22.05 | puff | Doh, the leading / was confusing my client. :-) |
| 03:23.11 | puff | And is there some way to do the equivalent of of aptitude --download-only, using the packages marked by dpkg --set-selections? |
| 03:23.35 | dondelelcaro | puff: use the packages as input to aptitude. |
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| 03:24.44 | puff | Ah. |
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| 03:25.40 | narayan44 | EHXy1.4rJBb.Cdc7K12..LR/xWHNl0V13WM/ |
| 03:25.41 | narayan44 | RADIODJ: You are in the IRC channel of Jack Molotov's Variety Hour! type !request <song name> to request a song. |
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| 03:25.56 | narayan44 | RADIODJ: You are in the IRC channel of Jack Molotov's Variety Hour! type !request <song name> to request a song. |
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| 03:26.17 | tensorpudding | hmm, it's happy hour for trolling on freenode |
| 03:26.21 | puff | Yeesh. |
| 03:26.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !friday |
| 03:26.31 | dpkg | i heard friday is tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 03:26.44 | puff | Hm, so basically aptitude --download-only `cat packages.txt` |
| 03:26.52 | puff | And then aptitude install `cat packages.txt` |
| 03:27.22 | acu | I am trying to restart apache2 - I run squeeze and if I go to /etc/init.d and type apache2 restart it gives me the options I have for apache |
| 03:27.28 | acu | what should I do |
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| 03:27.39 | acu | short of rebooting |
| 03:27.41 | dondelelcaro | puff: you actually just want xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < packages.txt; aptitude install; or similar. |
| 03:27.58 | puff | dondelelcaro: Thanks. |
| 03:28.09 | acu | !acu restart apache2 squeeze |
| 03:28.23 | acu | !tell acu restart apache2 squeeze |
| 03:28.32 | dondelelcaro | acu: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 03:28.44 | acu | this is what I do |
| 03:29.34 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 03:29.35 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 03:29.38 | massmc | hello, how do I get tightvncserver to start up on all user accounts with same port at reboot |
| 03:29.40 | acu | OK wait a second - why it did not restarted if I was already in /etc/init.d |
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| 03:30.12 | narayan44 | sorry about that all |
| 03:30.13 | acu | It started now if I did the whole sentence /etc/init.d/apache2 restart - thanks dondelelcaro |
| 03:30.23 | narayan44 | slight techinical dificulties |
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| 03:30.59 | narayan44 | now, I |
| 03:31.33 | hoo-hah | any of you know what the disk group privelege allows? |
| 03:31.47 | abrotman | a normal user shouldn't be in the group |
| 03:31.58 | hoo-hah | I'm trying find out why thunar-volman reports unprivileged user for both normal user and root upon mounting usb key |
| 03:32.13 | hoo-hah | user is in the plugdev group |
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| 03:32.24 | narayan44 | I am trying to setup a external USB drive on debian 5.0, fresh install, and I can't get the drive to mount on startup |
| 03:32.45 | narayan44 | I've been through fstab and its all peachy, it works, but it needs to be mounted manually every time |
| 03:32.57 | narayan44 | any ideas? |
| 03:33.22 | narayan44 | that, and fsck craps out with an error code of 8 |
| 03:33.54 | dondelelcaro | narayan44: fsck it first |
| 03:34.07 | narayan44 | any special parms |
| 03:34.19 | narayan44 | because I've just fsck /dev/sda1 |
| 03:35.37 | dondelelcaro | narayan44: and what did it exit with? |
| 03:36.13 | narayan44 | it just went back to the command prompt |
| 03:36.18 | dondelelcaro | narayan44: echo $? |
| 03:36.30 | narayan44 | it said something about outputting log to stdout, but I have no idea where that is |
| 03:36.38 | Gm4n | I have a hard drive that keeps failing out of a raid; how can I check its health? |
| 03:36.44 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: smartctl |
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| 03:38.35 | Gm4n | thanks, dondelelcaro. I found the smartmontools package, and now I'm RTFMing :) |
| 03:41.37 | Gm4n | so it might be an issue that my sata drive is connected to a pci sata card; lspci says it's a "RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller". How do I use smartctl to talk to it? |
| 03:42.09 | narayan44 | now fdisk says there is no partitions on the external HD |
| 03:43.07 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: depends, normally it will just work, but for some (real) raid cards, there are special invocations to use |
| 03:43.29 | Gm4n | it's not a real raid card; it's a $20 newegg item. Cheapest 4 port sata card I could find. |
| 03:43.52 | Gm4n | ah, looks like the smartctl man page psyched me out :) |
| 03:44.20 | Gm4n | several parts of the drive say pre-fail, is that normal? |
| 03:44.26 | dondelelcaro | Gm4n: depends |
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| 03:44.44 | Gm4n | pretend I don't know what it depends on |
| 03:44.46 | MorkBork | that card is known to be 'the gay' |
| 03:45.04 | MorkBork | if its soft raid and you can access the underlying devices you can use smart on them |
| 03:45.13 | jmarsden | Gm4n: Put the drive on a normal SATA port and retest. BTW, what you probably got was a FakeRAID card... not real RAID. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataRaid |
| 03:45.15 | MorkBork | if its hardware raid, you have to use tools specific to that controller |
| 03:45.18 | Gm4n | it's soft raid, yes. I'm not doing a hardware raid with a $20 card |
| 03:45.25 | MorkBork | well |
| 03:45.28 | MorkBork | theres two types of soft raid |
| 03:45.30 | MorkBork | linux md raid |
| 03:45.35 | MorkBork | and fakeraid (dm-raid) |
| 03:45.36 | Gm4n | I'm using mdadm |
| 03:45.38 | MorkBork | oh |
| 03:45.42 | MorkBork | then just do tests on each component drive |
| 03:45.45 | Gm4n | it's a raid5 with three disks |
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| 03:45.48 | MorkBork | cat /proc/mdstat |
| 03:45.51 | MorkBork | for array status |
| 03:45.52 | MorkBork | then |
| 03:45.55 | MorkBork | pastebin us |
| 03:45.59 | MorkBork | smartctl -A /dev/sda |
| 03:46.00 | MorkBork | smartctl -A /dev/sdb |
| 03:46.01 | MorkBork | smartctl -A /dev/sdc |
| 03:46.03 | Gm4n | yeah, I know all about mdstat and mdadm -D <my array> |
| 03:46.06 | MorkBork | or whatever |
| 03:46.07 | abrotman | MorkBork: stop hitting enter |
| 03:46.12 | MorkBork | its faster to hit up and enter |
| 03:46.14 | MorkBork | stop interrupting |
| 03:46.16 | MorkBork | how about that |
| 03:46.19 | Gm4n | lol |
| 03:46.20 | MorkBork | brb |
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| 03:47.41 | Gm4n | the same disk has failed out of my raid three times now; I'm wondering if it's a drive problem. |
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| 03:49.01 | Gm4n | MorkBork (and anyone else who'd like to help): http://pastebin.ca/1670803 |
| 03:49.58 | foul_owl | anyone know how to hide the name of the full path when sharing folders on nicotine? |
| 03:51.01 | KavanS | could I run a script from /etc/rc.local then use a "sed" from that script to remove the reference to it? so it would not be run again? |
| 03:51.08 | KavanS | i.e. a run once post startup script |
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| 03:52.45 | hatter[1] | kavans, just an rm at the end of the script will remove it once it gets to the end |
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| 03:53.02 | bthornton | how do I get a list of the current running Xv extensions? |
| 03:53.15 | bthornton | x{something}, no doubt |
| 03:53.16 | KavanS | hatter[1], you mean just rm the file that it's running from? |
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| 03:53.27 | hatter[1] | kavan, yes |
| 03:53.55 | hatter[1] | bthornton, probalby the x logs will show you |
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| 03:54.03 | hatter[1] | they get created when x gets run |
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| 03:55.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, I get 1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000f 200 200 051 Pre-fail Always - 0 |
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| 03:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | which looks a hell lot better than your 142572474 |
| 03:55.27 | Gm4n | hmm, yeah, it does |
| 03:55.34 | Gm4n | this drive has managed to fail out of my raid array 3 times now |
| 03:55.39 | Gm4n | each time I add it back, it fails in a few days |
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| 03:55.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I only have 17000 poer-on hours, though |
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| 03:56.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, you only got 8000, not 80000 |
| 03:56.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Gm4n: is it noisy? |
| 03:56.39 | Gm4n | the drive? |
| 03:56.44 | jpinx-eeepc | yea |
| 03:56.46 | Gm4n | like, audibly noisu? |
| 03:56.48 | Gm4n | hrm |
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| 03:56.54 | Gm4n | let me see |
| 03:57.06 | hatter[1] | gm4n, is it a seagate 500gb ? |
| 03:57.22 | Gm4n | it's a seagate 1.5tb |
| 03:57.32 | Gm4n | roughly a year old |
| 03:57.36 | narayan44 | alright I am getting somewhere now |
| 03:57.45 | narayan44 | it says the file system is not clean |
| 03:57.45 | hatter[1] | gm4n, bugger |
| 03:57.49 | narayan44 | and I need to clean it |
| 03:57.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Gm4n: a tube acting like a stethescope is handy to hear a drives noise above the fans etc |
| 03:58.01 | hatter[1] | narayan, get out the shoe polish |
| 03:58.08 | narayan44 | lulz |
| 03:58.16 | Gm4n | hatter[1]: it's still under warranty, if this is something that I can replace it for |
| 03:58.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hatter[1], are you mad? you use a soft, clean brush for file systems |
| 03:58.33 | hatter[1] | gm4n, get the seatools diag iso from seaate website |
| 03:58.48 | Gm4n | jpinx-eeepc: unfortunately, not only are the fans loud here (very old box), but the case is quite hard to get into, especially when runding |
| 03:58.48 | narayan44 | lol |
| 03:58.57 | Gm4n | running, too |
| 03:58.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | mad as a hatter... |
| 03:59.07 | hatter[1] | cutmeownthroat, geez, gone are the days of getting down and dirty |
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| 03:59.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Gm4n: it is worth the effort to hear the drive;) |
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| 03:59.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Gm4n: especially if it's under warranty |
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| 04:00.04 | narayan44 | does microfiber cloth work to dry it?? |
| 04:00.05 | MorkBork | the reallocated sector count is what jumps out at me |
| 04:00.12 | MorkBork | those other metrics are usualyl wonky on most drives |
| 04:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, actually the biggest number in the smart stats of this drive is for Power_On_Hours |
| 04:00.17 | LtL | jpinx-eeepc: a solid object like a screwdriver held to the ear and touching the drive will conduct sound[s] better. |
| 04:00.17 | MorkBork | hardware_ecc_recovered |
| 04:00.19 | MorkBork | etc |
| 04:00.25 | jpinx-eeepc | hatter[1]: nah - I still end up with my laptop in bits - still running - all over the desk |
| 04:00.26 | nono | ? |
| 04:00.42 | jpinx-eeepc | LtL: not as easy though |
| 04:00.55 | LtL | jpinx-eeepc: but better! |
| 04:01.04 | Gm4n | hatter[1]: seatools says it's for windows or for dos. how do I use either? |
| 04:01.07 | MorkBork | Gm4n, what does the output of smartctl -A /dev/sdb look like, so we can compare it to /dev/sda? |
| 04:01.15 | MorkBork | and see whats 'normal' for the manufacturer |
| 04:01.34 | jpinx-eeepc | LtL: best is a proper stethescope :p |
| 04:01.43 | narayan44 | alright |
| 04:01.52 | Gm4n | MorkBork: http://pastebin.ca/1670815 |
| 04:01.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, hm, interesting - the 2nd drive in the raid looks kinda similar to yours, though... 35116241 for Raw_Read_Error_Rate and 13414903101 for Seek_Error_Rate |
| 04:01.56 | LtL | jpinx-eeepc: a mechanics stethescope it ideal |
| 04:02.17 | LtL | jpinx-eeepc: s/it/is |
| 04:02.52 | Gm4n | s/stethe/stetho/ =P |
| 04:03.20 | LtL | Gm4n: you're right, thanks :) |
| 04:04.05 | MorkBork | the thing is, the raw read error and seek error rates arent really useful |
| 04:04.12 | massmc | how do i get tightvncserver to start for all users automatically after reboot, so they have the same port. eg. user1::5901, user2:::5902 |
| 04:04.17 | MorkBork | each manufacturer puts a different meaning/purpose to them |
| 04:04.26 | hoo-hah | I'm trying to get apt-file search mplex to only show 'mplex' and not, eg, dmplex, or other words containing mplex. I'd thought that -x flag allowed something like ^mplex$ but this doesn't appear to work |
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| 04:04.38 | hoo-hah | can this be done? |
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| 04:04.40 | Gm4n | massmc: an init script + sudo, perhaps? |
| 04:04.59 | Gm4n | hoo-hah: besides piping it to a grep -v ? |
| 04:05.00 | MorkBork | but the start stop count and seek error rate (not that i can really interpret it but it does seem higher) |
| 04:05.08 | MorkBork | make me think /dev/sda isnt going to be shape up anytime soon |
| 04:05.14 | MorkBork | especially given the poor reviews on seagate 1.5s |
| 04:05.17 | MorkBork | id rma it |
| 04:05.25 | hatter[1] | you are still best with the manufacturers tools |
| 04:05.27 | Gm4n | should I seatools it first? |
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| 04:05.48 | Gm4n | ok, now my question is how do I seatools it? I'm not running windows or dos. |
| 04:05.59 | hatter[1] | gm4n, seatools is a bootable iso |
| 04:06.14 | Gm4n | aha |
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| 04:06.21 | Gm4n | now all I need is a monitor and a keyboard :) |
| 04:06.42 | MorkBork | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16822148337 |
| 04:06.45 | MorkBork | look at the newegg reviews |
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| 04:07.06 | hoo-hah | Gm4n: piping what to grep -v? |
| 04:07.09 | MorkBork | you know what they say though, 2 outta 3 aint bad :P |
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| 04:07.22 | Gm4n | apt-file |
| 04:07.33 | Gm4n | haha, MorkBork :) |
| 04:07.51 | hoo-hah | Gm4n: why am I after unmatched files? |
| 04:08.44 | Gm4n | hoo-hah: you could grep -iv '[a-z]mplex', for example |
| 04:09.09 | MorkBork | anyway gm4n theres only a few reasons a drive gets booted from an array and marked as failed |
| 04:09.31 | MorkBork | the sector remapping takes time, the array probably detected it as stalled |
| 04:09.37 | MorkBork | 3 remapped sectors, 3 fails |
| 04:09.43 | Gm4n | ahh |
| 04:09.50 | MorkBork | and i mean yea its possible that youd get 3 failed sectors and be fine forever |
| 04:09.53 | MorkBork | but thats a new baby drive |
| 04:10.00 | Gm4n | it's about a year old |
| 04:10.01 | MorkBork | its likely going to get worse |
| 04:10.02 | MorkBork | yea |
| 04:10.11 | Gm4n | seatools time |
| 04:10.22 | Gm4n | if seatools says it's bad, I can easily rma it, right? |
| 04:10.23 | MorkBork | i remember reading about a bad firmware for those drives too |
| 04:10.29 | jmarsden | hoo-hah: apt-file -x '/mplex$' should work ? |
| 04:10.46 | MorkBork | http://techreport.com/articles.x/16221 |
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| 04:11.26 | MorkBork | http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1368178 |
| 04:11.49 | MorkBork | you say about a year old too eh |
| 04:12.02 | MorkBork | they better cough up that firmware update for your two good drives and a new drive |
| 04:12.19 | Gm4n | well, my two good drives are about a week old :P |
| 04:12.24 | hoo-hah | jmarsden: yeah |
| 04:12.24 | MorkBork | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 04:12.31 | MorkBork | yea ive been using samsungs lately |
| 04:12.39 | hoo-hah | thanks |
| 04:12.42 | hatter[1] | ive been using samsungs too |
| 04:12.49 | jmarsden | hoo-hah: No problem. |
| 04:12.51 | hatter[1] | seagate has gone by the wayside |
| 04:12.57 | MorkBork | WD is even worse though |
| 04:13.02 | hatter[1] | havent had any samsung failures et |
| 04:13.06 | MorkBork | me too |
| 04:13.08 | MorkBork | knock on wood jesus |
| 04:13.12 | hatter[1] | eyah |
| 04:13.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny - they're both drives in the same raid, bought inside the same computer - why does one smart show a power_on_hours of 17000 and the other one of 20000 |
| 04:13.33 | hatter[1] | though i have two samsung 1.5tb in raid1 here, has dropped the mds a few times |
| 04:13.37 | hatter[1] | one of them |
| 04:13.51 | MorkBork | i dont have any > 1tb drives in production anywhere |
| 04:14.15 | hatter[1] | cutmeownthroat, because one is reading from the left hand and the other the right hand |
| 04:14.22 | hatter[1] | morkbork, yeah , i was hasty |
| 04:14.24 | hatter[1] | methinks |
| 04:14.25 | MorkBork | a guy i work with goes nuts over the wd 'black' line, and i cringe every time he doesnt just go with the samsungs like i tell him too |
| 04:14.32 | Gm4n | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't see taht, i see hours of 337 and 339 |
| 04:14.34 | abrotman | and now back to Debian ... |
| 04:14.42 | hatter[1] | i bought more of these 1.5tbs too, for a new install |
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| 04:15.08 | hatter[1] | Mr abrotman points out we are OT |
| 04:15.17 | abrotman | you can use #debian-offtopic |
| 04:15.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Gm4n, yours was around 8000 hours |
| 04:15.25 | MorkBork | we use ssd's mostly where we can (cheaper/smaller ones of course), and with a server install of debian taking like 300mb |
| 04:15.25 | MorkBork | coughs |
| 04:15.39 | MorkBork | we can just use them for the os, turn off paging, and use iscsi for anything bulk |
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| 04:15.47 | Gm4n | CutMeOwnThroat: one drive is 8000 hours, the other two are 337 and 339 |
| 04:15.52 | hatter[1] | anyone know of any channel for general computer tech stuff that isnt full of rubbish like #windows ? |
| 04:16.07 | hatter[1] | this is my fave channel |
| 04:16.09 | abrotman | 'stuff' ? |
| 04:16.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | #linux? |
| 04:16.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:16.17 | MorkBork | #hardware isnt bad |
| 04:16.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ##stuff |
| 04:16.20 | hatter[1] | abrotman, good point, hardware i guess |
| 04:16.26 | abrotman | ##hardware |
| 04:16.29 | hatter[1] | ok |
| 04:16.51 | Gm4n | so should I try for a firmware update, or should I check with seatools and rma if needed? |
| 04:17.01 | MorkBork | well either way you're talking to support |
| 04:17.07 | abrotman | hatter[1]: or you can try #debian-offtopic .. topics vary widely in there |
| 04:17.07 | MorkBork | 3 mapped sectors is 3 more than i wanna deal with |
| 04:17.11 | MorkBork | and the other metrics are suspicious |
| 04:17.18 | MorkBork | id try for the rma |
| 04:17.22 | Gm4n | MorkBork: my last rma didn't involve tlaking to a single human, just clicking through a web form |
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| 04:22.36 | Gm4n | well, on the bright side, all this drive failing has allowed me to test out my alert-on-disk-fail system quite thoroughly :) |
| 04:23.19 | MorkBork | i love mdadm's emails |
| 04:24.38 | Gm4n | yeah, I hooked it up to prowl; now my cellphone dings when my hard drive fails. I've gotten several dings -_- |
| 04:25.05 | _AnywhereIs_ | what would i do with a memory leak in xfdesktop & xfce4-menu-plugin process under lenny??? :'( any solution? rebuild manually? or use backports to have a new version of xfce? i didn't found an answer on google for that :( well i got rid of menu plugin(i have same menu right-clicking on desktop) but what would i do with buggy xfdesktop? :( |
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| 04:25.35 | dome | wooooo! I am upgrading to squeeze! |
| 04:26.01 | jpinx-eeepc | hopes dome can cope with breakages |
| 04:26.19 | dome | hopes so too! |
| 04:27.09 | tensorpudding | i used to use testing back in the day |
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| 04:27.17 | Bryanstein | /nickserv identify GoatsAreAliens |
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| 04:27.27 | Bryanstein | oops j/k |
| 04:27.44 | tensorpudding | there is nothing wrong with testing |
| 04:27.49 | tensorpudding | it's more stable than most other distros |
| 04:28.00 | Bryanstein | I have a usb display and I can't seem to get my tty's to map correctly with a usb keyboard |
| 04:28.38 | Bryanstein | I have managed to get X to respond...but previously it wouldn't...my keyboard is in console-setup but reconfiguring it just makes matters worst |
| 04:28.42 | Gm4n | I've never heard of a USB display; are they really low res? |
| 04:28.42 | Bryanstein | any ideas? |
| 04:28.43 | nono | ? |
| 04:28.58 | Bryanstein | Gm4n, no sir...they can go higher than 1600x1400 |
| 04:29.00 | nono | yes |
| 04:29.05 | _AnywhereIs_ | any help? :( i think it's a bad idea to include products that are buggy for a _years_ in Lenny (which assumes that software included is STABLE while it's not) |
| 04:29.06 | Bryanstein | usb to dvi/hdmi |
| 04:29.08 | jpinx-eeepc | Gm4n: you can get usb pluggable video cards;) |
| 04:29.42 | Bryanstein | Gm4n, I even have two smaller usb displays...7 inches... Gm4n google Mimo and Samsung Ubisync |
| 04:29.47 | Gm4n | _AnywhereIs_: if I had a clue about xfdesktop, I'd help. I run my linux distros GUI-free. |
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| 04:30.12 | _AnywhereIs_ | Gm4n it's not a solution for me. i have two servers but i need one desktop =) |
| 04:30.28 | _AnywhereIs_ | Gm4n: it's a bug in xfce is discussed since 2006 |
| 04:30.54 | _AnywhereIs_ | Gm4n and that buggy soft was included in lenny which makes me ma^Wfeel bad |
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| 04:31.13 | _AnywhereIs_ | =( |
| 04:31.14 | jpinx-eeepc | _AnywhereIs_: try lxde ;) |
| 04:31.21 | dblepan | http://www.petitemarion.com/?id=939602 |
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| 04:31.25 | _AnywhereIs_ | im thinking about to upgrade to squeeze |
| 04:31.30 | Bryanstein | _AnywhereIs_, try E17 |
| 04:31.37 | _AnywhereIs_ | i will |
| 04:31.45 | _AnywhereIs_ | i found fluxbox quite nice |
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| 04:31.59 | Bryanstein | flux is pretty nice actually |
| 04:32.04 | _AnywhereIs_ | not yet got to test e17 |
| 04:32.08 | _AnywhereIs_ | and lxde |
| 04:32.13 | Bryanstein | E17....really really nice |
| 04:32.23 | _AnywhereIs_ | i need a free hardware =) |
| 04:32.27 | _AnywhereIs_ | i have none |
| 04:32.31 | _AnywhereIs_ | it's all in work |
| 04:32.53 | franki^ | likes openbox personally :) |
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| 04:33.01 | _AnywhereIs_ | im pretty got used to xfce. it would be nice if not that freakin bug |
| 04:33.13 | draconis | can I use lh_config and lh_build on Ubuntu to make a debian image? |
| 04:33.27 | xoz | thinks openbox is lean with all the correct muscles in the right places |
| 04:33.37 | draconis | which bug, the compositing one? |
| 04:34.17 | _AnywhereIs_ | im already about to build xfce 4.6 from sources ... xD |
| 04:34.37 | draconis | any idea how to debug this?http://pastebin.com/m4dfac8 |
| 04:34.40 | draconis | http://pastebin.com/m4dfac8 |
| 04:34.56 | Bryanstein | _AnywhereIs_, I use to do that...back when you had to |
| 04:35.20 | Gm4n | draconis: I'm pretty untrained at this, but it looks like chroot can't find wherever you told it to chroot to |
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| 04:35.28 | draconis | Gm4n, that's kinda the issue |
| 04:35.40 | Gm4n | have you tried feeding it an absolute path? |
| 04:35.42 | draconis | Gm4n, how can I even find out if the script is building the chroot in the first place |
| 04:35.47 | draconis | um, I'm not running chroot |
| 04:36.04 | dome | I must be crazy for diving into debian as my first linux distro :) |
| 04:36.14 | abrotman | draconis: if you're asking about Ubuntu tools on Ubuntu, #ubuntu would probably be a better choice |
| 04:36.16 | Bryanstein | dome, no that is smart |
| 04:36.17 | draconis | do I absolutely need the "chroot hacks"? |
| 04:36.25 | dome | it's been quite the uhhhh, learning experience |
| 04:36.25 | draconis | abrotman, this is pretty clearly a debian tool |
| 04:36.41 | _AnywhereIs_ | dome: it's nice . it's my first distro too. |
| 04:36.43 | abrotman | draconis: so the lh_config/lh_build isn't really a question ? |
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| 04:36.52 | _AnywhereIs_ | dome: especially nice when without x11 |
| 04:37.12 | draconis | abrotman, what do you mean? I'm just asking if anyone knows how to get more debugging information from the lh_config/lh_build scripts |
| 04:37.16 | dome | what do you use instead of X11? |
| 04:37.27 | abrotman | you asked about them on Ubuntu .. |
| 04:37.27 | _AnywhereIs_ | dome: the console... |
| 04:37.37 | dome | ahhh |
| 04:37.39 | dome | lol |
| 04:37.44 | dome | so no dm? |
| 04:37.59 | _AnywhereIs_ | dome: i don't need x11 on P1 200 mhz and 64m ram which is router... lol |
| 04:38.07 | dome | hahaha |
| 04:38.08 | dome | this is true |
| 04:38.25 | _AnywhereIs_ | dome: on my main pc im fighting with xfce4 right now... |
| 04:38.45 | dome | im actually looking around locally for an old machine someone wants to get rid of so I can make a small server out of |
| 04:39.00 | dome | I am doing upgrade to squeeze atm |
| 04:39.05 | MorkBork | why not just pick up one of those little atom or nano boards |
| 04:39.06 | MorkBork | they are cheap |
| 04:39.14 | MorkBork | i saw a little falls for $40 bucks at a pawn shop |
| 04:39.19 | _AnywhereIs_ | dome: =)) what would you do with that? |
| 04:39.46 | dome | Well I may go back to school and do some sysadmin stuff, so it would be good to learn on instead of a vbox |
| 04:40.01 | _AnywhereIs_ | dome: =)) |
| 04:40.05 | dome | plus I could run a small game server of HL or something |
| 04:40.08 | dome | for LAN |
| 04:40.42 | dome | One of my Marines keeps telling me to go back to school. He is doing some online courses and what not for linux administration and network admin stuff. Seems like good stuff |
| 04:40.46 | _AnywhereIs_ | dome: oh... i'll take a look @ you when you'll run it on PI |
| 04:40.59 | dome | haha I am not that brave |
| 04:41.11 | dome | my oldest comp was a p2 450 |
| 04:42.00 | _AnywhereIs_ | lucky. my oldest was 80286 22mhz =) |
| 04:42.23 | dome | well actually I had an old Bentley 286 |
| 04:42.38 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 04:42.38 | _AnywhereIs_ | well i'll build xfce or fetch it from backports tomorrow |
| 04:42.40 | dome | I dont know how fast it was. I was like 5 or 6 |
| 04:43.00 | _AnywhereIs_ | since there is no other solution |
| 04:43.09 | dome | I used to play Stomovic SU-25 Flight Sim in 5 colors! |
| 04:43.15 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
| 04:43.52 | dome | abrotman, I appologize I did not read the topic |
| 04:43.59 | xoz | really likes the med-tasks, science-tasks, etc. a better way to install task related packages |
| 04:44.05 | abrotman | dome: i bet lots of people haven't .. |
| 04:44.25 | abrotman | xoz: is there one for like .. multimedia ? |
| 04:45.39 | xoz | abrotman: not yet. but i think task is a good idea and can be expanded to include other popular tasks like sniffing, auditing, admin, etc |
| 04:46.23 | abrotman | xoz: more granularity is betterer! |
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| 04:47.30 | bugjar | eeaaghh! gparted wants dbus! |
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| 04:47.50 | xoz | abrotman: haha. oftentimes, youll discover some tools because they were placed in the same task. it is hard to link all those packages with their names not so obvious with their function. we should have a brain map of debian packages to see their relationships. |
| 04:48.06 | abrotman | xoz: also see .. debtags |
| 04:48.31 | _AnywhereIs_ | well... i decided to fix that myself... but i still have a question: for what reason were a buggy xfdesktop & xfce4-menu-plugin included on releases that is stated as "stable"? how great is that? disappointed. the bugs of xfce4 on these progs are discussed since 2006 as i can see from bugtrackers of debian & xfce both. it's not even funny. |
| 04:49.18 | xoz | abrotman: let me check. main problem now is really how to manage information overload. reinventing the wheel is waste of time if there are existing tools... but finding it is more of art than science ;) |
| 04:49.22 | _AnywhereIs_ | gives up he can't understand this world |
| 04:50.32 | xoz | _AnywhereIs_: been there xfce... then i move on and use openbox. at least if it breaks, there are other box related managers. |
| 04:51.10 | abrotman | yay blackbox! |
| 04:51.18 | _AnywhereIs_ | switching software is not a solution, it's a step away from solution. anyway. |
| 04:51.50 | xoz | packagesearch use debtags... let me see |
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| 04:52.33 | macrobat | installing packagesearch :D |
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| 04:54.05 | pythetic | are we there yet? |
| 04:54.08 | mofo | hi |
| 04:55.34 | macrobat | i wish aptitude-gtk had debtags |
| 04:55.51 | pythetic | macrobat: so submit the patch |
| 04:55.54 | xoz | macrobat: packagesearch gui is third world :) |
| 04:56.12 | pythetic | xoz: the gui has starving children? |
| 04:56.20 | xoz | haha |
| 04:56.28 | xoz | starving fonts |
| 04:56.30 | macrobat | i liked adept when i used kde3 |
| 04:57.32 | mofo | somebody speak spanish it supose the suramerica place |
| 04:57.36 | abrotman | !es |
| 04:57.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 04:57.41 | xoz | macrobat: ept-cache is cool |
| 04:57.55 | pythetic | !en |
| 04:57.56 | dpkg | The language of #debian is English. We will do our best to help you regardless of your level of English but you might be more comfortable asking for help in your own language. Ask me about your language code for more information, for example /msg dpkg br ; /msg dpkg pt ; /msg dpkg es ; /msg dpkg fr ; /msg dpkg de |
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| 04:58.34 | mofo | ok |
| 04:58.39 | mofo | anyway |
| 04:58.48 | abrotman | pythetic: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 04:58.59 | mofo | i try to improve my english |
| 04:59.02 | mofo | juajuajuaj |
| 04:59.06 | pythetic | abrotman: when will squeeze release? |
| 04:59.13 | xoz | abrotman: good to know greycat is back |
| 04:59.14 | abrotman | pythetic: when it's ready .. not before |
| 04:59.27 | abrotman | xoz: he's around sometimes .. yep |
| 04:59.52 | pythetic | abrotman: when will squeeze be ready? |
| 04:59.54 | macrobat | hmm, there is xapian |
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| 05:00.11 | abrotman | pythetic: are you just here to troll? |
| 05:00.11 | straszheim | 1/6 |
| 05:01.05 | pythetic | abrotman: why do you hate trolls? |
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| 05:01.43 | donspaulding | how can I override the encoding that pg_upgradecluster is guessing incorrectly while trying to upgrade from 8.2 to 8.3? |
| 05:02.07 | mofo | hey i connected by mi movil phone and i can enter the chat but not navegate somwone know why |
| 05:02.18 | gurugeek | Can somebody help me with installing drivers for my nvidia GeForce 8600 GT? i can't find nvidia-kernel for my debian amd64 box |
| 05:02.49 | macrobat | gurugeek: you use lenny? |
| 05:02.59 | mofo | is the espeed of conection |
| 05:03.16 | gurugeek | macrobat: yes |
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| 05:07.06 | gurugeek | i think there's a problem with my sources because it says there's no nvidia-kernel-common |
| 05:07.16 | gurugeek | when i try to install it using apt-get |
| 05:07.52 | macrobat | its in contrib |
| 05:07.58 | gurugeek | i think there's a problem with my sources because it says there's no nvidia-kernel-common when i try to install it using apt-get |
| 05:08.09 | gurugeek | o ic... |
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| 05:08.45 | gurugeek | this is my source "deb http://us.debian.org main contrib non-free" will this work? |
| 05:09.08 | macrobat | does it work for main? |
| 05:09.38 | gurugeek | macrobat: i guess it worked... |
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| 05:09.55 | macrobat | you see the pkg? |
| 05:10.48 | gurugeek | nope... |
| 05:11.57 | macrobat | add "lenny" before "main contrib non-free" |
| 05:12.06 | macrobat | and do aptitude update |
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| 05:18.35 | bintut | waves |
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| 05:20.39 | bintut | anyone here able to configure properly a bonding interface with vlan using mode=4 or 802.3ad? i can't seem to make it work properly on my side. bonding without vlan works but adding a bond0.<VLAN_ID> does not work as expected as it does not have the ip address |
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| 05:27.15 | bintut | i'm confused. where is the configured stored after you execute the command: vconfig add <interface> <vlan_id> |
| 05:27.16 | bintut | ? |
| 05:27.25 | bintut | s/configured/configuration |
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| 05:35.13 | bintut | hello..? |
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| 05:37.23 | macrobat | maybe the network experts are not awake, bintut |
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| 05:39.58 | bintut | macrobat: ok |
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| 05:46.30 | nono | http://www.playingforchange.com/episodes/8/War_No_More_Trouble |
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| 05:52.55 | Josh__ | So I just dropped a new network card into my fileserver, How can I reconfigure the kernel to load the module for the new card? |
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| 05:58.50 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 05:58.55 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I cannot send files via DCC on xchat2. |
| 05:59.00 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Someone can help me? |
| 05:59.04 | Emmanuel_Chanel | kern.log says like: |
| 05:59.11 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Nov 14 13:30:55 potato kernel: [625881.702182] Forged DCC command from 192.168.0.2: 0.0.0.199:0Nov 14 13:30:55 potato kernel: [625881.702182] Forged DCC command from 192.168.0.2: 0.0.0.199:0 |
| 05:59.23 | sshack | Hi, How can I setup pop before smtp (or any authentication method) on postfix in debian? |
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| 05:59.33 | Emmanuel_Chanel | (Debian lenny router's kern.log.) |
| 05:59.51 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Not checked "Found your IP from the server" on xchat. |
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| 06:00.06 | Xenguy | sshack: mail configuration like that is one of the toughest I've found |
| 06:00.23 | sshack | Xenguy: Sigh. |
| 06:00.24 | Xenguy | sshack: but I think postfix is good |
| 06:00.44 | sshack | I think postfix is good too. I just wish this sort of thing had a configurator for it. |
| 06:00.55 | Xenguy | sshack: those configuration things can sometimes take a little time is all |
| 06:01.03 | sshack | It's 2009 not 1979. |
| 06:01.08 | Xenguy | heh |
| 06:01.31 | Xenguy | is there some kind of 'postconf' program? :-) |
| 06:01.35 | sshack | Xenguy: I understand. But it's still a little disheartening to see that this stuff isn't getting any easier. |
| 06:02.04 | Xenguy | sshack: the good thing is, once you have it set up, it's there for a long time |
| 06:02.08 | sshack | Xenguy: There's a basic setup one. But I'd love to see a more fully featured one. to setup a mail system, rather tan a nice gui to type in variables. |
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| 06:02.32 | sshack | I could just buy a mac and it'd set this up for me. |
| 06:03.01 | Xenguy | hah, but then it wouldn't be linux, in all its glory :-) |
| 06:03.18 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Router's kernel loaded nf_nat_irc and nf_conntrack_irc |
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| 06:04.01 | sshack | Xenguy: I don't want glory. I want to get back to work. |
| 06:07.01 | Xenguy | sshack: yeah, I think that debian is very good, but it's still a DIY culture, which is interesting too |
| 06:07.28 | sshack | Sure, but they can't pretend it's ready for business then. |
| 06:07.52 | Xenguy | sshack: I think it is. Depending on what you need to do with your PC |
| 06:08.36 | sshack | Get work done. Not futz around with computer. |
| 06:08.47 | Xenguy | sshack: just find a geek, and tell him you like linux :-) He'll do the rest, as long as you make your requirements clear |
| 06:08.48 | sshack | If you have a pack of rabid nerds, it's wonderful. |
| 06:09.07 | Xenguy | haha |
| 06:09.14 | sshack | Yeah now see the need for a geek for the basic things should go down over time. |
| 06:09.37 | sshack | desktop publishing used to be an arcane science. Now anyone can do it. |
| 06:09.39 | Xenguy | sshack: I think I exaggerated a bit there :-) |
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| 06:09.56 | sshack | The same hasn't happened to email/fileserving/etc and it should have. that's a problem. |
| 06:10.03 | Xenguy | sshack: honestly I've been using debian on the desktop for years, and it works well |
| 06:10.29 | sshack | I do too. But I still take exception to having to configure everything by hand. |
| 06:10.53 | Xenguy | sshack: sometimes you just need to slug it out and learn something - that's the linux spirit (or its curse) -- DIY |
| 06:10.53 | sshack | or the assumption that everyione is an expert in all 8,000 different packages. |
| 06:11.16 | Xenguy | sshack: with help :-) |
| 06:11.18 | sshack | I'll remember that next time I'm on a deadline. I can tell customers "but look! I've learnt something" |
| 06:12.44 | Xenguy | sshack: If you can imagine it as an 'investment', that over time will pay dividends :-) It takes a willing attitude to learn |
| 06:12.53 | sshack | So no one here knows how to make postfix authenticate/protect or otherways allow a remote mail program to send mail through it? |
| 06:13.16 | Xenguy | sshack: you want to allow a relay, or ...? |
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| 06:14.27 | Xenguy | too late |
| 06:14.46 | Xenguy | seemed a bit like the mac type to me |
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| 06:15.01 | Xenguy | sorry didn't mean to misrepresent the linux POV :P |
| 06:15.56 | franki^ | hehe :) |
| 06:16.02 | simonrvn | Xenguy: nah, it is to a certain extent, and used to be more so before |
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| 06:17.46 | Xenguy | simonrvn: true, it has gotten easier I think, but the CLI still somes in handy for the heavy lifting :-) |
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| 06:25.31 | simonrvn | Xenguy: i can't live without the cli in linux |
| 06:25.54 | DogBoy | yea that was postfix cli troll session |
| 06:25.57 | simonrvn | and i feel naked when i'm in other oses that don't have one |
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| 06:26.06 | DogBoy | not to mention #postfix was more appropriate |
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| 06:26.54 | Xenguy | simonrvn: yeh, once you have the vocabulary, it's the only place to call your command 'now' :-) |
| 06:26.54 | franki^ | simonrvn: yeah, that's the only reason i prefer OS X to windows ;) |
| 06:27.23 | Xenguy | franki^: cut em both loose ;-) |
| 06:28.53 | franki^ | Xenguy: i wouldn't use either of them on a computer that i owned :D |
| 06:29.03 | franki^ | but, life is hard sometimes :P |
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| 06:29.29 | Xenguy | hrm |
| 06:29.41 | simonrvn | franki^: i'm still a bit of a mac head, but i can't stand mac os non-10 ("classic"). |
| 06:29.58 | simonrvn | and windows is just ugh |
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| 06:30.37 | simonrvn | i'd rather have an old copy of redhat than have to deal with that pos |
| 06:30.58 | tensorpudding | all my recent windows experiences were fixing the machiness of friends and family |
| 06:31.03 | Xenguy | I find myself productive enough in windows, but I also feel very productive in linux, and it is free/libre |
| 06:31.23 | tensorpudding | so i probably have an even worse view of windows than i would have if i had to use it myself |
| 06:31.27 | Xenguy | also windows is so malware ridden |
| 06:31.30 | simonrvn | i feel mine's cut in half when i'm using windows |
| 06:31.47 | franki^ | yeah, i'm quite OS-agnostic myself, i just choose to use linux because i personally find more enjoyable... and Free :) |
| 06:31.50 | tensorpudding | i never feel productive enough...too many distractions! |
| 06:31.58 | simonrvn | tensorpudding: i feel the same either way haha |
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| 06:32.14 | Darkclaw66 | * */6 ... would be a crontab every 6 hours right? |
| 06:32.18 | Xenguy | franki^: the CLI becomes a habit after awhile too :-) |
| 06:32.24 | simonrvn | yes |
| 06:32.32 | tensorpudding | five pdf's open, fifteen tabs in chrome, irc, and an emacs window |
| 06:32.36 | Darkclaw66 | okay cool I just wanted to make sure its been a while |
| 06:32.37 | franki^ | Xenguy: indeed |
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| 06:32.59 | devin | any of you using debian squeeze? |
| 06:33.03 | franki^ | is |
| 06:33.08 | Darkclaw66 | if I id 0 */6 that would run it every 6 hours and what would the 0 accomplish |
| 06:33.13 | Xenguy | hugs stable ;) |
| 06:33.52 | simonrvn | tensorpudding: emacs in daemon mode, 10 tabs in chromium, gnome-terminal with 3 screen sessions and 6 tabs, inkscape blank doc, and geany |
| 06:33.53 | franki^ | i'll be using stable when squeeze goes stable :P |
| 06:34.25 | Xenguy | hah |
| 06:34.40 | devin | franki do you have any issues when starting up grub hanging on a black screen with white text telling how to edit things before coming to the proper grub menus? |
| 06:35.25 | franki^ | devin: no, grub2 has been working fine for me |
| 06:35.30 | devin | ugh |
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| 06:42.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | sync |
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| 06:43.02 | gurugeek | What command is used to autoconfigure Xorg and at detect my VideoCard |
| 06:43.39 | Balsaq | i want to burn a linux OS and mail it to my sister. it will be her 1st intro to linux. should i do debian? i want it too be plug-n-play so she doen't get turned off at the onset. her computer is an amd athlon desktop from aroung 2002 (HP) |
| 06:43.49 | franki^ | gurugeek: what video card is it? |
| 06:43.56 | Balsaq | aroung=around |
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| 06:44.22 | ganymede | this was a bit unclear to me: suppose i install a package (say google chrome) with dpkg -i, then later, i download a deb of a newer version. do i have to uninstall the previous version before running dkpg -i on the new version? or should i install the new version without removing the old one and expect it to update all necessary files? |
| 06:44.28 | gurugeek | franki^: GeForce 8600 GT and i'm using amd64 |
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| 06:45.34 | franki^ | gurugeek: nvidia-xconfig would be what you're looking for then, but you'll have to install the drivers first with "aptitude install nvidiaglx" i think |
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| 06:45.59 | gurugeek | franki^: thanks :) |
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| 06:46.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | ganymede: if the package is made corretly you simply install the new version |
| 06:46.36 | franki^ | gurugeek: no problem, tell me if you have any problems, or even if you don't :) |
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| 06:46.50 | Tramp | ganymede: ... but since chrome is not in debian, you may have to ask Google (or whoever provides the package) |
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| 06:47.44 | nono | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.59 | franki^ | !fr |
| 06:48.00 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 06:48.06 | ganymede | Tramp: google provides nightly builds of chromium (sorry, not chrome) so i guess i can just install the new one over the old one provided they don't suddenly decide to change the file layout one day, right? |
| 06:48.18 | nono | ok dpkg |
| 06:48.31 | Tramp | ganymede: no idea. ask Google |
| 06:48.41 | ganymede | Tramp: okay, thanks |
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| 06:50.26 | Tramp | ganymede: see also the /topic of #chromium |
| 06:50.45 | gurugeek | franki^: my sources would not locate nvidia-glx and nvidia-xconfig. Can you provide me one? |
| 06:50.54 | Tramp | and there even is a #chromium-support |
| 06:51.07 | franki^ | gurugeek: have you enabled the non-free and contrib repositories? |
| 06:51.10 | jetscreamer | !non-free |
| 06:51.11 | dpkg | i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 06:51.22 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 06:51.23 | dpkg | i guess contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [etch|lenny|squeeze|sid] main contrib" to your /etc/apt/sources.list. Also ask me about <non-free>. |
| 06:51.24 | franki^ | gurugeek: see that ^ :) |
| 06:51.39 | jetscreamer | ~contrib |
| 06:51.40 | apt | i heard contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages |
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| 06:52.11 | nono | nvidia=http://www.nvidia.fr/Download/index.aspx?lang=fr |
| 06:52.15 | nono | sorry |
| 06:52.21 | nono | lang=en |
| 06:52.42 | jetscreamer | that would be #nvidia |
| 06:53.01 | gurugeek | nono: i already downloaded one for my card, but it still looks for nvidia-kernel-common |
| 06:53.05 | ganymede | Tramp: and also, i just noticed installing chromium apparently adds a chromium repo so it updates along with the rest of the system |
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| 06:53.39 | nono | gurugeek: make your choice |
| 06:53.49 | jetscreamer | !tell gurugeek -about non-free sources |
| 06:53.59 | nono | free or not for this fu...pilot |
| 06:54.28 | jetscreamer | if you want 3d with nvidia, there is no choice |
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| 06:54.37 | nono | ... |
| 06:54.42 | nono | :( |
| 06:55.03 | Tramp | ganymede: great. Be aware, however, that your "Debain/Chromium hybrid system" is unlikely to be supported on #debian |
| 06:55.04 | jetscreamer | well you can choose the nvidia-installer from nvidia or the .debs from debian |
| 06:55.35 | ganymede | Tramp: okay, thanks for the advice |
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| 06:55.44 | Tramp | yw |
| 06:55.55 | franki^ | prefers to do things The Debian Way :P |
| 06:56.57 | gurugeek | jetscreamer: how will i get .deb files for my card? |
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| 06:57.17 | jetscreamer | !nvidia |
| 06:57.18 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 06:57.30 | jetscreamer | what distro |
| 06:57.37 | jetscreamer | err |
| 06:57.43 | jetscreamer | flavor of debian |
| 06:58.08 | gurugeek | jetscreamer: lenny |
| 06:58.13 | gurugeek | jetscreamer: amd64 |
| 06:58.23 | jetscreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 07:00.05 | jetx | wtf |
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| 07:06.47 | canadian | hello |
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| 07:07.02 | Xenguy | wtf or ftw ? |
| 07:07.31 | canadian | anyone want to help with a spdif sound issue? |
| 07:07.34 | Xenguy | has that been patented already |
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| 07:08.27 | Xenguy | canuck: seems quiet in the channel tho |
| 07:08.53 | canadian | yeah especialy for 800 ppl |
| 07:09.04 | Xenguy | where are they :-) |
| 07:09.08 | canadian | zzzzzzzzzzz |
| 07:09.18 | Xenguy | love to sleep in myself |
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| 07:09.58 | canadian | well i'm off to bed myself for tonight. |
| 07:09.59 | canadian | gnight |
| 07:10.03 | Xenguy | nite |
| 07:10.15 | Witch-King | eoe |
| 07:10.17 | Witch-King | wow |
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| 07:21.13 | tensorpudding | why might a program not be able to find a library in /usr/local/lib? |
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| 07:22.40 | pflanze | tensorpudding: is that path in ld.so.conf (or one of it's includes)? |
| 07:22.58 | pflanze | (well it is on my sys) |
| 07:23.14 | nono | my god a virus |
| 07:23.17 | nono | lol |
| 07:23.26 | pflanze | tensor: Maybe it's not matching your architecture? |
| 07:24.16 | tensorpudding | it was compiled by hand, so i'd hope it would |
| 07:24.33 | pflanze | (a virus?) |
| 07:25.04 | pflanze | well dunno then, check with strace what it does maybe you'll notice some permission problem or so? |
| 07:26.35 | tensorpudding | it's not in the search path accordiing to strace |
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| 07:26.47 | tensorpudding | but it's in the ld.so.conf |
| 07:27.04 | pflanze | ah, run ldconfig as root |
| 07:27.10 | pflanze | to update the lib cache |
| 07:27.38 | tensorpudding | ...yes that worked |
| 07:27.59 | tensorpudding | that wasn't the first program that put libraries in /usr/local/lib though |
| 07:28.25 | pflanze | ld has it's own cache it consults |
| 07:28.47 | pflanze | you have to run ldconfig each time you change your lib setup |
| 07:29.16 | bimbo | hello, there's something unclear to me (didn't found it in the docs), if I wish to isntall debian sid, if using a usb stick as the installation media, should I download the sid usb img (boot.img.gz, dated 02-02-09) or will the lenny usb img suffice (dated 05-09-09)? I will be using the latest netinst iso |
| 07:29.19 | pflanze | (some source packages do that by themselves I think) |
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| 07:31.48 | artery | anyone remember what the google "go" channel was called? |
| 07:31.53 | pflanze | bimbo: that sounds like an old image for sid (from about the time of the lenny release..) |
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| 07:32.23 | tensorpudding | artery: wouldn't it be on the go website? |
| 07:32.39 | tensorpudding | #go-nuts it appears |
| 07:32.44 | pflanze | artery: doesn't your irc client offer the list of channels? |
| 07:32.55 | bimbo | pflanze: it's the one available at http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images |
| 07:32.59 | artery | it probably would be, but my router's giving me crap and i don't feel like rebooting it |
| 07:33.00 | tensorpudding | listing all the channels and sorting them out is a pain |
| 07:33.17 | tensorpudding | in this case, a google would satisfy quickly |
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| 07:34.46 | artery | pflanze: it might, I'm using windows at a friend's house and I'm not used to it |
| 07:34.52 | artery | tensorpudding, that was it thanks |
| 07:35.03 | pflanze | bimbo: you can always dist-upgrade from lenny to sid; but taking a sid image will spare you that (sometimes needs some manual handholding) |
| 07:35.41 | Willie | why does "/etc/init.d/proftpd start" result in "cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration"? |
| 07:36.29 | pflanze | bimbo: But if you take a sid image that's older than lenny (which was released 2009-02-14), then it will amount to the same thing :) |
| 07:37.24 | pflanze | Willie: maybe inetd is disabled or deinstalled and the config is set not to use standalone mode? |
| 07:37.26 | tensorpudding | lenny was frozen before it was released though, wasn't it? |
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| 07:37.55 | pflanze | Hm yeah, tensorpudding probably has some point. |
| 07:38.23 | pflanze | Anyway I'm not sure why there shouldn't be newer sid images (or are usb images special?) |
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| 07:38.43 | ajay | hi to all,i am craeting root filesystem using qemu command in base system installation step it is stoppped at 75% .how to manually it can be refresh |
| 07:39.06 | Willie | pflanze: ok...this is my first time installing linux...i did the desktop install. was i wrong to think that i could easily ftp into the server? eg: will it take a bunch of configuring to get it working? i just spent 5 fruitless days trying to get a gentoo installation working, and failed, so here i am at debian. |
| 07:39.10 | ajay | i have checked using ctrl+alt+2 but not getting any message |
| 07:39.37 | thneed | hello |
| 07:39.44 | bimbo | pflanze: yes, my mistake on the date. Thank you very much, the netinst iso is "generic" right? |
| 07:39.59 | anewbie | Willie, just make aptitude install proftpd and edint the config to your needs |
| 07:40.01 | pflanze | bimbo: I've never used usb booting |
| 07:40.33 | bimbo | netinst is not usb exclusive, it's an ISO |
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| 07:40.51 | pflanze | Willie: the config is probably at /etc/proftpd.conf (I've not used proftpd for half a dozen years) |
| 07:41.13 | anewbie | i have issue with one cgi scipt i know that here maybe this is and offtopic but if someone can help me ... i can't make it rund event that i am defined the sciprt directory in the vhost with +ExecCGI option |
| 07:41.18 | anewbie | can some one help |
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| 07:42.32 | pflanze | Willie: just set it to standalone there; inetd is a way to make many services available while only loading them on demand, but you don't need that and it's not that commonly used. |
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| 07:43.56 | Gm4n | MorkBork: still around? apparently, seatools won't test my disk; it can't see it |
| 07:44.52 | pflanze | anewbie: have you checked the error.log? Are other permissions good for that dir? Is the cgi script chmod +x? Have you tried the scriptalias directive (I'm using that instead of making whole directories executable, usually)? |
| 07:45.33 | anewbie | pflanze, let's talk on private couse this is offtopic here i think do you agree ? |
| 07:45.43 | pflanze | (anewbie: also, you should say that you're using apache if that's true, as there are other cgi supporting servers too) |
| 07:46.28 | pflanze | anewbie: I'd rather prefer not to, as I'm lazy :) |
| 07:46.52 | anewbie | hah :) come in httpd channel then :) we will get kicked |
| 07:46.52 | anewbie | :D |
| 07:47.07 | Kyrterz | hi, is there anyway not mod_evasive on certain ips ? |
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| 07:47.34 | Kyrterz | example all ip's is getting evasive concurrent control but i want 178.140.xx.xx will not be controlled |
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| 07:49.00 | Kyrterz | ops sorry wrong place |
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| 07:49.42 | thneed | I am having problems updating packages, dokg errors all over the place http://pastebin.com/m7e971db0 I am looking online right now, anyome know of a good link? |
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| 07:54.28 | ajay | what actually does bootable flag = on while installation of debian |
| 07:54.37 | ajay | defaulty it is off |
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| 08:02.41 | Enselic | How do I install Deban testing (Squeeze)? Installing stable first and then chaning repo? |
| 08:02.44 | Enselic | changing* |
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| 08:03.04 | Enselic | I'm not able to find any weekly installer build, the directories are empty |
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| 08:03.19 | Enselic | for example, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ is empty |
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| 08:09.35 | caraconan | Hi. I've got a bluetooth usb adapter => Bus 001 Device 006: ID 1058:1100 Western Digital Technologies, Inc. |
| 08:10.13 | caraconan | How can I see if it's working, because I installed bluetooth package, and /etc/init.d/bluetooth start, but no output when /etc/init.d/bluetooth status |
| 08:10.26 | caraconan | I'm not sure if the device are working propperly |
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| 08:31.12 | mac- | hi all |
| 08:31.36 | mac- | can anyone tell me how list all packets already installed with aptitude ? |
| 08:32.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | by aptitude specifically? |
| 08:32.21 | caraconan | dpkg -l |
| 08:32.22 | dpkg | caraconan: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 08:32.28 | macrobat | mac-: dpkg -L | grep ^ii |
| 08:32.34 | mac- | thx :) |
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| 08:32.45 | caraconan | <dpkg> http://pastebin.com/m693779c5 |
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| 08:33.00 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg --get-selections is probably better |
| 08:33.01 | dpkg | Kamping_Kaiser: what are you talking about? |
| 08:33.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: you! |
| 08:33.18 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 08:33.21 | caraconan | It seems that no device present, but I thinks I've got all the 'prerequisites': kernel module, packages.... |
| 08:33.23 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
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| 08:33.58 | endri | hi is there a command to reorder randomly a list? |
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| 08:48.58 | pobega | endri: is `sort -R` what you're looking for? |
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| 08:49.20 | distatica | Is there any projects that bind the apt-get and apt-cache commands to simply 'apt' ? ie. 'apt search', 'apt install', 'apt show'. I could write something to do this but a better solution might exist. |
| 08:49.31 | Arafangion | Hey, I need to back up a windows computer (don't ask), what's the best, most convenient system to use for that? (I'm thinking some kind of debian-based Live-CD) |
| 08:49.33 | cahoot | aptitude? |
| 08:49.34 | pobega | distatica: aptitude may fill that void |
| 08:49.44 | distatica | oh wait, sure |
| 08:49.54 | krion | aptitude |
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| 08:50.20 | distatica | ok, I like that, thanks |
| 08:50.24 | distatica | saves a lot of work |
| 08:50.49 | pobega | You can just alias aptitude to apt |
| 08:50.57 | distatica | that's what I was going to do |
| 08:51.05 | distatica | what's the best way to alias system wide? |
| 08:51.17 | distatica | or would a link be better? |
| 08:51.29 | Arafangion | distatica: That's a bit pointless. |
| 08:51.32 | pobega | /usr/local/bin/apt -> /usr/bin/aptitude |
| 08:51.39 | pobega | but, that's something that should be done locally for each user |
| 08:51.46 | Walex | distatica: a link probably, but they have different properties. |
| 08:51.48 | Arafangion | distatica: But if you insist, a link is the ideal way to do a system-wide change. |
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| 08:52.21 | Arafangion | distatica: You really should be mostly concerned about your own administrative account. |
| 08:52.38 | Arafangion | distatica: And thus putting it into your shell configuration file is the best way to do it. |
| 08:52.41 | Walex | distatica: create the link in '/usr/local/bin' or use 'alternatives' |
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| 08:53.22 | distatica | thanks, I just want my wife to be able to access it. |
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| 08:53.26 | Arafangion | Can I use the debian ISO image as a live CD? |
| 08:53.31 | distatica | she gets the get and cache confused |
| 08:53.33 | Arafangion | (Does it have vfat support? |
| 08:53.34 | Arafangion | ) |
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| 08:54.03 | Arafangion | distatica: She may prefer synaptic. (The female species tend to be far more practical) |
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| 08:55.27 | distatica | she prefers the command line |
| 08:55.31 | distatica | just tends to confuse the two |
| 08:56.42 | distatica | I don't blame her, personally I find it weird that they exist. apt alone could have handled this could it not? |
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| 08:57.01 | distatica | like bzr, there's no separate programs. bzr commit, bzr revert, bzr push, etc, etc. |
| 08:57.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | like aptitude ;) |
| 08:57.25 | distatica | yes, exactly |
| 08:57.41 | distatica | i have it setup for her now |
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| 08:57.44 | distatica | she likes it |
| 08:57.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | distatica: remember apt-* was the demo for the new 'apt' library |
| 08:59.16 | distatica | oh, I don't know the history of it very well |
| 08:59.28 | distatica | that makes more sense though |
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| 09:00.20 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/m741277e1 => 'hcitool dev' still doesn't find any device |
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| 09:03.39 | mac- | anyone has SVN server with SSL auth enabled on it ? |
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| 09:07.10 | Arafangion | mac-: I would recommend git using gitosis if you're worried about security. |
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| 09:09.16 | mac- | Arafangion: it is so big difference, and SVN is so unsecure ? |
| 09:09.59 | Arafangion | mac-: SVN servers are more complex to setup. |
| 09:10.18 | Arafangion | mac-: Whereas a gitosis based git server uses plain ssh. |
| 09:10.28 | caraconan | Can someone help me with bluetooth? http://pastebin.com/m741277e1 |
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| 09:13.53 | Arafangion | mac-: It's a completely different system, though. SVN's perhaps easier for users to use if they don't want to know about version control. |
| 09:16.11 | mac- | I have requirement to use SVN server with https in my project :/ |
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| 09:16.31 | mac- | SVN server run succesfully byt with Basic auth |
| 09:16.36 | mac- | I need to run SSL too |
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| 09:17.03 | Arafangion | Fair enough, just be aware that you basically need to use apache2, svn, and mod_dav. |
| 09:17.15 | Arafangion | Such questions need to go to #svn, and their documentation. |
| 09:17.27 | caraconan | <mac-> you know how to set up apache with ssl support? |
| 09:18.08 | mac- | Arafangion: ok, thx |
| 09:18.10 | mac- | :) |
| 09:18.17 | Arafangion | mac-: I recommend you purchase a proper certificate, though. SSL really only gets secure when you have a proper chain of trust. |
| 09:18.36 | Arafangion | mac-: And self-signed certificates do not give a chain of trust. (Alas... I'm not sure if svn actually checks that...) |
| 09:18.38 | mac- | caraconan: sorry, it should be svn with ssl support :) |
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| 09:19.00 | caraconan | But svnserve daemon or apache+svn module? |
| 09:19.12 | mac- | apache+svn |
| 09:19.19 | mac- | mod_dav |
| 09:19.21 | Arafangion | apache2, specifically. |
| 09:19.34 | mac- | yeah |
| 09:19.56 | caraconan | <mac-> you could understand more ore less spanish? |
| 09:20.11 | mac- | but, there is something strange, on Debian server (not mine) I have apache2 when on my Slackware i have http 2.2.13 :) |
| 09:20.37 | caraconan | http://wiki.legido.com/doku.php?id=informatica:linux:subversion#subversion_y_apache |
| 09:20.40 | caraconan | Take a look |
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| 09:20.54 | mac- | i`,m looking now, w8 |
| 09:21.01 | mac- | pls |
| 09:21.36 | Arafangion | Those spanish instructions are fairly easy to understand /without/ knowing spanish. |
| 09:21.40 | Arafangion | Impressive. |
| 09:21.56 | caraconan | <Arafangion> yes, I supose |
| 09:22.42 | Arafangion | Then again, I have studied 4 languages in a past life. |
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| 09:23.49 | Arafangion | 3... Languages I failed shouldn't count. ;) |
| 09:23.52 | Arafangion | failed Japanese. |
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| 09:25.25 | alecs1 | hi, I'm trying to build radeonhd 1.3.0 and to get 3d acceleration working |
| 09:25.32 | alecs1 | i'm now following http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd%3Aexperimental_3D |
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| 09:25.49 | alecs1 | when I get to executing: ./autogen.sh --prefix=$(pkg-config --variable=prefix libdrm) --libdir=$(pkg-config --variable=libdir libdrm) --includedir=$(pkg-config --variable=includedir libdrm) |
| 09:26.09 | alecs1 | I get the error "configure: error: expected an absolute directory name for --includedir:" |
| 09:26.18 | alecs1 | which I don't really understand |
| 09:28.30 | caraconan | I don't want to be repetitive, bue can someone please help me with bluetooth? http://pastebin.com/m741277e1 |
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| 09:29.37 | Arafangion | does not currently use bluetooth, but does remember that back when he did try it in ubuntu... It was more trouble than he thought it was worth. |
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| 09:32.33 | caraconan | What package should I use: bluetooth or bluez? |
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| 09:35.55 | Arafangion | caraconan: I would suspect that "bluetooth" may well use bluez. |
| 09:36.20 | Arafangion | I think you want bluez, as a minimum. |
| 09:36.41 | caraconan | ok, it works on my ubuntu laptot... I will compare |
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| 09:41.49 | alecs1 | hi, any idea about the "--includedir:" problem? |
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| 09:46.14 | Shtl | Hello all |
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| 09:47.13 | simonrvn | alturiak: is there a problem with just including the output of those commands, instead of actually running pkg-config? |
| 09:47.24 | simonrvn | alturiak: sorry |
| 09:47.39 | simonrvn | was meant for alecs1, who left |
| 09:47.42 | Shtl | I hve a PC (IP 192.168.XXX.XXX) connected to my Lenny server(as router), i want to block the net access, how to do this?? |
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| 09:48.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | unplug it :0 |
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| 09:48.26 | simonrvn | disconnect the ethernet cable? |
| 09:48.27 | Melissa | hey is there a bash channel? |
| 09:48.33 | Melissa | on freenode |
| 09:48.36 | Shtl | Kamping_Kaiser: r u technical guy?? |
| 09:48.49 | simonrvn | Melissa: yes |
| 09:48.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | Melissa: both #bash and #gnu |
| 09:49.01 | simonrvn | Melissa: you could have you know, /joined it |
| 09:49.31 | Melissa | I hate joining empty channels, so I ask first. :( |
| 09:49.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | or /who'd it or /topiced it, or... :) |
| 09:50.45 | simonrvn | asked chanserv... |
| 09:51.23 | Melissa | cries |
| 09:52.24 | Melissa | hmm...I think I came off wrong over there. =/ |
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| 10:04.32 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
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| 10:04.49 | dboehmer | i have set up a debian box with raid-1, luks encryption and lvm |
| 10:05.09 | dboehmer | unfortunately something went wrong when installing boot stuff |
| 10:05.15 | dboehmer | i cannot get debian boot |
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| 10:05.24 | dboehmer | maybe one can help with that? |
| 10:05.55 | dboehmer | kernel boots up, arranges raid devices and stops looking for root device which is on LVM |
| 10:05.55 | Mizuho_chan | I'm trying to compile libnoise under Debian, and it's failing under linking with the following error: |
| 10:05.58 | Mizuho_chan | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.3.4/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 10:05.58 | Mizuho_chan | /build/buildd-eglibc_2.10.1-5-i386-GOKbsH/eglibc-2.10.1/csu/../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:115: undefined reference to `main' |
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| 10:06.13 | Mizuho_chan | How would I fix this issue? |
| 10:06.17 | dboehmer | i am never asked to enter a password for the luks device |
| 10:06.20 | dboehmer | any ideas? |
| 10:06.56 | Mizuho_chan | wait why is it using eglibc? |
| 10:07.44 | sepski | dboehmer, do you have something like rootdelay=15 in your boot arguments ? if not, try adding that in grub when booting, (15 can be a different number) |
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| 10:08.41 | dboehmer | sepski, i will try but i guess this doesn't help. had tried this before when working with arch linux and had similar problems |
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| 10:09.17 | docmax | hello i have a problem... when entering a text field, the last text is not selected... in windows it is... how can i change this behaviour? |
| 10:09.30 | sepski | dboehmer, it's what fixes things for me when the kernel fail to locate lvm devices i have to use it on a lot of machines |
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| 10:14.53 | dboehmer | sepski, i was dropped to a shell (initramfs) and i do now see that the crypt device is not opened |
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| 10:15.01 | dboehmer | kernel will never find the lvm device |
| 10:15.16 | dboehmer | in initramfs there is no way to load modules, is it? |
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| 10:15.42 | sepski | try insmod or modprobe. if the module is in the initramfs in the first place |
| 10:15.52 | dboehmer | according to cat /proc/modules i am missing aes_x64 (not sure about the right name) |
| 10:16.43 | sepski | dboehmer, sounds like a boot on cd, and whack initram to include the module you want case |
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| 10:17.54 | dboehmer | hmm, i think so too. my hope was to avoid that |
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| 10:20.08 | dboehmer | in my /boot/ i have a kernel image named *.bak. is this the fallback image or is it really a backup of my last kernel? |
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| 10:20.20 | dboehmer | before doing some upgrades i had this box booting up |
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| 10:22.12 | c0nfus3d | hi all, i am trying to install squashfs-modules using the command apt-get install squashfs-modules-$(uname -r) |
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| 10:22.19 | c0nfus3d | and i am getting the following error: |
| 10:22.27 | c0nfus3d | E: Couldn't find package squashfs-modules-2.6.30-2-686 |
| 10:22.31 | _tux | how can i configure debian to log onto my wlan automatically?? |
| 10:22.32 | c0nfus3d | what could be the reason? |
| 10:23.26 | Saz|Laptop_ | so riddle me this #debian |
| 10:23.53 | Saz|Laptop_ | I have a PATA drive that's taking hours to fsck. However, if I plug the SAME DRIVE into a PATA->SATA converter the fsck takes only 10 minutes |
| 10:24.17 | Saz|Laptop_ | what is going on here |
| 10:24.25 | Supaplex | c0nfus3d: aptitude update ; apt-cache search squashfs-modules ; aptitude install .... |
| 10:24.40 | c0nfus3d | thanks let me try :) |
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| 10:25.18 | Melissa | is there a way to designate how much network bandwidth goes to which apps? |
| 10:26.13 | Supaplex | humm. I need more usb ports on this box. meh. |
| 10:26.28 | c0nfus3d | Supaplex: i just issued the 3 commands, how can i verify if its installed - coz when i issue aptitude install - i dont see squashfs-modules |
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| 10:26.33 | c0nfus3d | how can i verify? |
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| 10:26.46 | valdyn | !wayttd Melissa |
| 10:26.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Melissa? |
| 10:26.57 | Supaplex | !tell c0nfus3d -about search |
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| 10:27.18 | Supaplex | c0nfus3d: mmm dpkg -l | grep squash |
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| 10:29.09 | c0nfus3d | Supaplex: the output of dkpg -l | grep squash is http://pastebin.com/d55498699 |
| 10:29.16 | Melissa | valdyn, if I'm torrenting some of my back ups from back east ( I moved last year, and have stuff backed up as torrents on a windows box.) And I need if I need it RIGHT NOW (My business plan et al) then I'd like to be able to designate off like 50 - 75% percent of my bandwidth (On this box only) to that app |
| 10:29.30 | Melissa | my router doesn't support bandwidth allocations. |
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| 10:30.29 | valdyn | Melissa: your torrent program does |
| 10:31.00 | valdyn | Melissa: plenty torrent programs do |
| 10:31.50 | valdyn | Melissa: torrent per app is awkward at best |
| 10:31.58 | valdyn | Melissa: err, i mean shaping per app is awkward |
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| 10:32.26 | Melissa | i see |
| 10:32.34 | valdyn | Melissa: a decent workaround would be the bind the torrent program to a new IP |
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| 10:32.49 | Arafangion | There was a program I heard about some time ago that used LD_PRELOAD hacks to do that for an arbituary program, reasonably well. |
| 10:33.04 | valdyn | Melissa: then traffic shape that ip against your other ip(s) |
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| 10:33.38 | Melissa | valdyn that makes too much sense! WDITT? |
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| 10:35.02 | valdyn | Melissa: this is also what im doing myself, so i can say it works fine |
| 10:35.49 | distatica | If I am logged in remotely to my wifes computer via SSH, is there a way for me to launch a program in her window manager session? |
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| 10:36.12 | valdyn | distatica: can you switch to her user id? |
| 10:36.16 | distatica | yes |
| 10:36.26 | distatica | I have root, naturally :) |
| 10:36.28 | MarkGi | hi, apt seems to want to execute stuff in my /tmp directory. Is this normal? |
| 10:36.30 | valdyn | distatica: after you did that: DISPLAY=:0 runprogram |
| 10:36.38 | MarkGi | as my /tmp is mounted as tmpfs and noexec |
| 10:36.53 | valdyn | Melissa_Away: yea, normal |
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| 10:37.06 | valdyn | Melissa_Away: oops |
| 10:37.07 | valdyn | MarkGi: ^^ |
| 10:37.42 | MarkGi | can I change how I mount /tmp in fstab? as it seems to default to noexec |
| 10:38.07 | valdyn | MarkGi: hardly defaults to noexec |
| 10:38.17 | hark | MarkGi: yes, but there is a workaround |
| 10:38.20 | distatica | valdyn, that works great, thanks |
| 10:38.27 | valdyn | MarkGi: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=116448 |
| 10:39.26 | distatica | valdyn, weird, I can't detach? Starting fb-uploader: DISPLAY=:0 ./run.sh & doesn't seem to open anything |
| 10:39.30 | distatica | however without & it works fine |
| 10:39.30 | MarkGi | ok, thanks. |
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| 10:39.54 | valdyn | distatica: sure, the gui program is holding the shell |
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| 10:40.05 | MarkGi | I think it's make tmp exec as having **ANOTHER** temp doesn't really seem a fix. |
| 10:40.07 | valdyn | distatica: you would have needed to start it in screen or using nohup |
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| 10:43.08 | valdyn | distatica: the & doesnt make a difference |
| 10:43.18 | valdyn | distatica: and it doesnt mean "detach" |
| 10:44.06 | valdyn | distatica: or one could say it detaches from the shell but not the terminal |
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| 10:45.50 | distatica | I don't even understand what's happening, I've just learned that if I want to run a gui program from the command line, I put that at the end to get my shell/console/terminal/thingy back. :) |
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| 10:48.06 | distatica | I don't quite understand the relationship between the shell and the terminal either. |
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| 10:51.01 | valdyn | distatica: try exiting the ssh session, you will notice your local bash prompt cant come back |
| 10:51.10 | valdyn | distatica: if the gui program is running |
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| 10:51.39 | valdyn | distatica: then you you hit Ctrl-C the gui program terminates and you get back your local prompt |
| 10:52.14 | valdyn | distatica: in order to avoid that you use nohup or screen |
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| 10:53.07 | \amethyst | you can put the ssh session in the background with ~<ctrl-z> |
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| 10:53.25 | badcloud | I'm trying to open gtk apps locally as root and it's giving me 'cannot open display: :0.0'. I exported display as ':0.0', though I'm not sure it will stick between restarts, but I'm new at this. any ideas? |
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| 10:53.38 | valdyn | distatica: but then its backgrounded and you cant just switch your computer off or close the local shell without terminating your wifes gui program |
| 10:53.49 | badcloud | (apps doen't work after $DISPLAY export) |
| 10:54.02 | badcloud | X does though |
| 10:54.29 | valdyn | badcloud: you need to use "sux" or "sudo" |
| 10:54.43 | valdyn | badcloud: instead of directly logging in as root or "su" |
| 10:54.45 | badcloud | why would I need those if I'm root? |
| 10:54.48 | badcloud | ah |
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| 10:54.59 | distatica | valdyn, if I switch my computer off with screen, that will keep screen running though |
| 10:55.03 | valdyn | badcloud: because X doesnt care if you are root at that interface |
| 10:55.10 | badcloud | I see |
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| 10:55.11 | distatica | I can't speak for the nohup thing |
| 10:55.24 | badcloud | thanks |
| 10:55.35 | valdyn | distatica: nohup is just a smaller tool with less features, same deal though |
| 10:55.56 | distatica | ok, so if I: DISPLAY=:0 nohup pidgin & |
| 10:56.04 | distatica | rebooting my computer will not kill her pidgin will it? |
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| 10:56.10 | valdyn | distatica: right |
| 10:56.30 | distatica | oh ok, you were just saying if I didn't use that rebooting would kill it |
| 10:56.38 | valdyn | distatica: now with screen you get elaborate tools to monitor that command line shell later |
| 10:56.48 | distatica | I do use screen, love it |
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| 10:56.49 | valdyn | distatica: with nohup you only get the logfile nohup.out |
| 10:56.52 | distatica | didn't think to use it for that |
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| 11:00.22 | badcloud | valdyn, I did 'useradd -m -G audio,dialout,floppy,video,staff username' then 'sudo -u username app' and I get the same error |
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| 11:01.26 | valdyn | badcloud: you were root who had no permission to access that X instance, then you use sudo, which inherits but doesnt X add permissiosn to accesss X |
| 11:01.50 | badcloud | didn't get the last part |
| 11:01.53 | Aruz | ubuntu returns more than debian result in google search, is debian diying? is there this bably? |
| 11:01.58 | valdyn | badcloud: you were root who had no permission to access that X instance, then you use sudo, which inherits but doesnt add permissiosn to accesss X |
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| 11:02.22 | badcloud | so do I need to write permissions for 'username' somewhere? |
| 11:02.23 | valdyn | Aruz: ubuntu has had more users than debian for years |
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| 11:02.34 | valdyn | Aruz: near since the beginning i suppose |
| 11:03.01 | badcloud | in short, how does one add X access permissions for users |
| 11:03.19 | valdyn | badcloud: you want multiple users to write to the same X? |
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| 11:04.06 | badcloud | well, I'm running debian on a phone. some of the phony apps will work only under root, unless I do some research |
| 11:04.24 | badcloud | I'd like to be able to be root in X, but run gtk apps as user |
| 11:04.52 | valdyn | badcloud: thats fucked up |
| 11:04.57 | badcloud | hmm |
| 11:05.20 | badcloud | so the best solut. would be to get everything to run under user? |
| 11:05.25 | valdyn | badcloud: being in X as a user you *rarely* have to run an app as root, but vice versa thats idiocy |
| 11:06.05 | valdyn | badcloud: you user X as your user, whenever you need to run an app as root you use "sudo <app>" |
| 11:06.29 | badcloud | I see |
| 11:06.50 | badcloud | nuts, why couldn't they have compiled the image for normal user |
| 11:07.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | "on a phone"? what phone? |
| 11:07.08 | valdyn | badcloud: youre using a livecd? |
| 11:07.22 | badcloud | no, rootfs on microsd |
| 11:07.29 | badcloud | openmoko freerunner |
| 11:07.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | figured as much |
| 11:07.48 | badcloud | such a headache |
| 11:07.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | thought about asking in #openmoko-debian? |
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| 11:08.06 | badcloud | that's actually a different distro |
| 11:08.17 | badcloud | I'm using QT build on debian |
| 11:08.22 | valdyn | badcloud: ok |
| 11:08.27 | badcloud | might as well try though |
| 11:08.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | what are you running? |
| 11:08.34 | valdyn | badcloud: your sudo tool does set XAUTHORITY=/home/valdyn/.Xauthority |
| 11:08.35 | badcloud | QT Moko |
| 11:08.45 | valdyn | badcloud: obviously *root* can read that no problem |
| 11:08.52 | valdyn | badcloud: users canot |
| 11:08.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | no idea about qt moko |
| 11:09.09 | badcloud | http://activationrecord.net/radekp/qtmoko/ |
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| 11:09.18 | dboehmer | how to include cryptsetup and stuff with the kernel? |
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| 11:09.47 | valdyn | badcloud: which in turn means that for running X applications root -> user doesnt work as user -> root does |
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| 11:10.03 | badcloud | understood |
| 11:10.09 | szal | mornin' folks |
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| 11:15.01 | ajay | hi to all,how to compile source deb package for different architecture using i386 system? |
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| 11:15.08 | szal | is there a way to check/ensure that an Etch system runs completely on UTF-8, character-encoding-wise? situation: we have a remote server here running Lenny (upgraded 3 months ago from Etch) providin, among other things, an Icecast2 server and mpd.. and one problem we have is a character encoding problem w/ some of the tracks mpd plays, mostly when tags and/or filenames contain non-7-bit-ASCII characters |
| 11:15.23 | szal | then ncmpc shows the following -> Error: Unable to convert characters to ANSI_X3.4-1968 |
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| 11:15.49 | ajay | i have installed i386 32 bit debian in my system and want to rebuild packges for armel ppc arch |
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| 11:16.00 | szal | and such tracks tend to play about half as loud as the others (normalized to roughly the same level w/ MP3Gain (Windows)) |
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| 11:20.11 | dboehmer | somebody can help me with setting up /boot for boot with encrypted root? |
| 11:20.18 | ajay | how to cross compile and get .deb package in debian |
| 11:20.31 | dboehmer | i have just chrooted to my debian install and want to go sure it will boot after reboot |
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| 11:20.48 | dboehmer | took some time to get into chroot and i am unsure if it will work |
| 11:20.50 | Hyperi | dboehmer: type 'reboot' as root and watch |
| 11:20.50 | Hyperi | :D |
| 11:21.02 | dboehmer | very clever |
| 11:21.09 | Hyperi | Best way to ensure it |
| 11:21.26 | Hyperi | You'll not give others access to the box, so how could someone else know? |
| 11:21.40 | Hyperi | Aswell nobody knows how you actually enabled chroot as there's several different ways to do it?:P |
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| 11:21.57 | buckfast | why doesnt debian have non-free and contrib repos by default |
| 11:22.14 | dboehmer | i just want to check some things in comparison to an existing luks installation |
| 11:22.14 | KriSztiAN | hello all |
| 11:23.24 | Hyperi | google? dboehmer |
| 11:23.31 | Hyperi | just "debian chroot" gives several results :P |
| 11:23.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | buckfast: presumably becuase they are not officially part of debian |
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| 11:24.25 | buckfast | Kamping_Kaiser: but which ones should I add to the list if I want non-free and other stuff? |
| 11:24.38 | dboehmer | Hyperi, my problem is not chroot. i have successfully chrooted. is just took some time because i have several layers of luks,lvm and raid |
| 11:24.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | buckfast: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 11:25.28 | buckfast | thanks |
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| 11:25.52 | penta | g'day, what's wireless better? ar9170usb TL-WN821N vs rt2800usb asus USB-N11 |
| 11:26.48 | Aruz | does deb-amd64 bit run python3.1 ? |
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| 11:28.29 | valdyn | judd: versions python3.1 |
| 11:28.30 | judd | valdyn: python3.1 -- experimental: 3.1.1-1 |
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| 11:48.46 | [Elvis] | hej guys, any clue what I should install to avoid this message: |
| 11:48.57 | [Elvis] | "*** Make sure OpenSSL headers, and mod_ssl.h are installed." |
| 11:49.48 | internat | apt-get install openssl-dev |
| 11:49.49 | internat | i think |
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| 11:52.30 | [Elvis] | didn't solve it internat |
| 11:52.35 | [Elvis] | configure: WARNING: ** mod_ssl.h not found or missing SSL headers! |
| 11:53.07 | [Elvis] | anyone here good in decrypting configure scripts? |
| 11:53.19 | themill | !wayttd [Elvis] |
| 11:53.20 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, [Elvis]? |
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| 11:55.05 | themill | [Elvis]: (and "/msg dpkg apt-file" while you're at it) |
| 11:56.03 | [Elvis] | I'm trying to build mod_log_sql |
| 11:56.11 | [Elvis] | but it complaints about ssl headers |
| 11:56.33 | [Elvis] | what shoul I do with that themill ? |
| 11:57.10 | themill | Haven't we been around this particular block already? |
| 11:57.31 | [Elvis] | I don't know ? :P |
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| 11:58.32 | internat | apt-get buil-dep libapache-mod-ssl |
| 11:58.35 | internat | build-dep* |
| 11:58.43 | internat | err. |
| 11:58.44 | internat | 1 sec |
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| 11:59.15 | themill | [Elvis]: "aptitude install libapache2-mod-log-sql-ssl"? |
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| 12:00.39 | internat | apt-get build-dep libapache2-mod-log-sql |
| 12:00.51 | themill | hmmm.... we had exactly this same conversation 7 days ago... |
| 12:00.54 | internat | that'll get you the dependencies and build requirements for mod-log-sql |
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| 12:01.41 | [Elvis] | no the mill that's an old version |
| 12:01.52 | [Elvis] | ok great internet |
| 12:02.10 | themill | yes... and we had the rest of that conversation about using uupdate too. |
| 12:02.24 | [Elvis] | hmm, |
| 12:02.25 | [Elvis] | :P |
| 12:02.34 | internat | bare in mind that will get you the dependencies for the old version.. if your trying to build a newoer one thats not currently packaged be weary that it mightnt work |
| 12:02.47 | themill | turns on logging on [Elvis]'s IRC client |
| 12:03.01 | themill | [Sat Nov 7 2009] [15:39:18] <themill> [Elvis]: In any case, "/msg dpkg uupdate" for a way of doing this more easily and producing a deb at the same time. |
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| 12:03.39 | datenritter | Anybody knows how to get information about an existing ext3 fs? (like stripe size and stuff) |
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| 12:03.54 | internat | interesting.. i didnt know about uupdate interesting |
| 12:04.05 | internat | bet that helps the maintainers a lot. |
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| 12:05.17 | themill | internat: yes, that's its main use. "apt-file show devscripts" shows lots of goodies :) |
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| 12:06.10 | Arafangion | datenritter: I don't believe that ext3 even has "stripes", let alone a stripe size. |
| 12:06.10 | internat | i shall keep that one in mind |
| 12:06.28 | internat | i didnt think fs's had stripes. |
| 12:06.37 | internat | the underlying raid device might.. but not the fs itself. |
| 12:06.42 | datenritter | Arafangion: Don't want to go into the details, but you can do mkfs.ext3 -b 4096 -E stride=32,stripe-width=64 |
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| 12:07.12 | datenritter | i frgot what this does but it's meant to adjust the fs to the raid layout |
| 12:07.22 | datenritter | and i would like to figure out how the ext3 was created |
| 12:07.44 | datenritter | http://busybox.net/~aldot/mkfs_stride.html |
| 12:07.58 | Arafangion | Interesting, one learns something every day. |
| 12:09.29 | internat | dumpe2fs will probably show you |
| 12:09.36 | MorkBork | tune2fs too |
| 12:10.07 | internat | i cant find the args for tune2fs to make it do it |
| 12:10.07 | [Elvis] | themill |
| 12:10.10 | [Elvis] | uupdate: cannot find debian/changelog. Are you in the top directory of the source tree? |
| 12:10.13 | szal | problem solved, thx for assistance.. |
| 12:10.15 | MorkBork | tune2fs -l /dev/blah |
| 12:10.20 | MorkBork | l as in lowercase L |
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| 12:10.38 | jvogel_ | hi my audio is looping |
| 12:10.40 | jvogel_ | how do i kill it |
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| 12:11.09 | abrotman | kill the player? |
| 12:11.17 | themill | [Elvis]: well, are you in the top directory of the source tree? |
| 12:11.42 | jvogel_ | abrotman: its not the player |
| 12:12.05 | [Elvis] | I am themill...I did apt-get source libapache2-mod-log-sql |
| 12:12.13 | [Elvis] | got 2 packages returned...the .tar.gz |
| 12:12.15 | [Elvis] | and some .diff |
| 12:12.24 | jvogel_ | oh itw as iceweasel |
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| 12:12.36 | [Elvis] | extracted the .tar.gz, went into that directory, and did the command |
| 12:12.52 | datenritter | MorkBork: thx, that works |
| 12:12.58 | themill | [Elvis]: you didn't need to extract the directory, it should already have been done |
| 12:13.11 | [Elvis] | oh |
| 12:13.24 | moqual | does debian support google chrome, i mean, is there a package for it? |
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| 12:13.40 | PatrickBic | Hello |
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| 12:13.43 | datenritter | moqual: is chrome free software? |
| 12:13.50 | moqual | yes |
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| 12:14.24 | datenritter | moqual: aptitude search google doesn't show anything |
| 12:14.31 | PatrickBic | Which installation medium would i use for a basic (textmode, wlan is needed) installation (for further customization)? |
| 12:14.43 | datenritter | (at least nothing chrome) |
| 12:14.47 | datenritter | *about |
| 12:15.09 | datenritter | PatrickBic: any should work in textmode |
| 12:15.27 | PatrickBic | well.. i dont want to download like a dvd-set when i dont have to |
| 12:15.41 | PatrickBic | does the netboot image come with an atheros wlan driver? |
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| 12:16.17 | abrotman | moqual: i believe it's available, but not actually in Debian |
| 12:16.32 | abrotman | !tell moqual about chromium |
| 12:16.40 | rgammans | PatrickBic: It prolly has the lan driver - but might not have wpa support |
| 12:16.50 | ukl | Hello. Has anybody got a hint for using network-manager without abandoning ifupdown? I had everything working fine without networkmanager but I'd like to use it for vpn connections. Now with networkmanager-applet (using gnome) started, it says there'd be no network connection (which is true because it doesnt manage any network connection, it must think I was offline). Now this disrupts some other gnome-applications that trust networkmanager regardin |
| 12:17.03 | PatrickBic | hmm.. so no wpa2supplicant on the netboot image? |
| 12:17.06 | PatrickBic | on/in |
| 12:17.14 | ukl | (I'd like to keep ifupdown handling my network connections while still having network-manager recognize that I'm online) |
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| 12:17.49 | moqual | abrotman: thks for the info. |
| 12:18.09 | hoo-hah | hi guys. I've a few questions: 1) in aptitude, while viewing package (showing depends, recommends, suggests etc) is there a way to view package info of something from eg recommends? Hitting enter only reveals the package number 2)Without resorting to dedicated web sites, is there a way to get notified when a particular app (in this case rxvt-unicode or bitlbee) gets released to Squeeze and is available after apt-get update? |
| 12:18.11 | rgammans | PatrickBic: I don't /know/ but that a more likely issue than not havine the actuall driver. Can't you use wired ethernet? |
| 12:18.19 | abrotman | ukl: pidgin you can pass the -f |
| 12:18.41 | fhd | Hi. I've recently learnt that libsoci is not maintained anymore on Debian, and the fact that 2.2 is not available in squeeze makes it unusable for me. Can anyone here suggest an alternative database abstraction layer library that's well supported on Debian? |
| 12:18.52 | PatrickBic | rgammans: would require me to reconfigure the router (mac limited access) or fake a mac |
| 12:19.06 | PatrickBic | i think i'll go with a bigger (like a cd set) image and hope for the best :P |
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| 12:19.40 | rgammans | PatrickBic - Download the netboot and try? |
| 12:19.45 | ukl | abrotman: yes but that's not quite a good solution... empathy has no -f flag for example |
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| 12:20.12 | PatrickBic | rgammans: as i said i dont wanna download like a cd-image.. try it.. fail.. and redownload something different |
| 12:20.18 | datenritter | PatrickBic: i think a netinst should do |
| 12:20.31 | abrotman | ukl: i don't think you can do what you're asking .. i haven't read all the n-m docs, but it seems that the network is under its control or not |
| 12:20.59 | datenritter | PatrickBic: you could also get the required files for your atheros card on a usb-stick |
| 12:21.08 | abrotman | ukl: though .. i don' thtink there are many n-m docs to read |
| 12:21.15 | datenritter | PatrickBic: but i think, all you need is the kernel module and wpa-supplicant |
| 12:21.44 | ukl | abrotman: thank you, that's been helpful. I'll just get rid of nm then and handle vpn in a different way. |
| 12:21.48 | rgammans | datenritter: Do you know if wpasupplict ins in netinst? |
| 12:22.17 | abrotman | ukl: or fix n-m to work? it seems more and more apps are relying on the n-m connection being setup properly |
| 12:22.23 | datenritter | rgammans: not for sure, but why should it not? |
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| 12:23.01 | rgammans | rgammans: No reason why it shouldn'., except oversight, size of image etc. |
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| 12:23.14 | rgammans | pah I shouldn't talk to myself. |
| 12:23.16 | ukl | abrotman: fixing n-m would mean getting rid of ifupdown, wouldn't it? |
| 12:23.21 | PatrickBic | ah cool |
| 12:23.24 | abrotman | ukl: AIUI, yes .. |
| 12:23.25 | PatrickBic | found something usefull |
| 12:23.27 | PatrickBic | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAcerOne << |
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| 12:23.44 | PatrickBic | (laptop i was going to install debian onto) |
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| 12:24.11 | ukl | hmm. |
| 12:24.17 | [Elvis] | I did what you said themill, stil getting exact same error |
| 12:24.41 | rgammans | PatrickBic: "Note that you will need a wired connection, as WiFi will not work in the installer. " |
| 12:24.47 | PatrickBic | yep :P |
| 12:24.55 | PatrickBic | thats what i was pointing at |
| 12:25.21 | PatrickBic | anyway.. need to buy food.. will go for the wired stuff later then |
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| 12:25.28 | PatrickBic | rgammans, datenritter: thanks in advance :) |
| 12:25.29 | ukl | abrotman: sorry for being annoying, just one last question as you know a lot more about n-m than I do: would relying on n-m instead of ifupdown keep my from being online until I'm logged into a gnome-session or would it also get a network connection set up on boot? |
| 12:26.09 | abrotman | i wouldn't say 'a lot more' |
| 12:26.28 | abrotman | ukl: i believe there's a way to set it to 'system wide', which comes up before you login |
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| 12:26.43 | abrotman | ukl: i haven't used that .. just seen it mentioned |
| 12:26.54 | [Elvis] | can anyone take a look at my ./configure file...see why I'm getting this error ? |
| 12:26.56 | ukl | abrotman: I'll give it a try. thanks for your help. |
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| 12:27.04 | rgammans | ukl, abrotman : I think n-m really needs fixing in this regard for (unmanaged by n-m) wired interfaces it could easily just pay attention to the mii-tool carrier data or something for it notion of connected . |
| 12:27.07 | abrotman | ukl: you really should read the docs |
| 12:27.24 | abrotman | rgammans: don't shoot the messenger .. i don't like the darn thing either |
| 12:28.46 | rgammans | abortman: Sorry. I wasn't having a go. I was just trying to define what a sensible alt bevhavoiur could be. |
| 12:28.58 | rgammans | !dpkg network-manager bug |
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| 12:29.56 | abrotman | rgammans: it needs improvement, no doubt .. but they keep having gnome-ish apps depend on the connection status of n-m, which makes it more difficult to avoid |
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| 12:30.06 | abrotman | (not sure if KDE is following this trend or not) |
| 12:30.39 | themill | network status is abstracted out and can be set by n-m, wicd, etc |
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| 12:30.49 | rgammans | Hmm http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024 , show promise |
| 12:30.52 | abrotman | ukl: oh, it's "available to all users" .. maybe not before people login |
| 12:31.07 | ukl | abrotman: well, removing it solved my issues with empathy anyways :) |
| 12:31.08 | abrotman | themill: is ifup/down one of those options ? |
| 12:31.14 | abrotman | ukl: yeah .. it will :) |
| 12:31.15 | buckfast | can I merge the 2 desktop panels in gnome? |
| 12:31.23 | themill | abrotman: no idea |
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| 12:33.43 | themill | [Elvis]: "apt-get source libapache2-mod-log-sql; cd libapache-mod-log-sql-1.100; uupdate ../mod_log_sql-1.101.tar.bz2" works just fine for me. |
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| 12:35.27 | themill | (the package doesn't build, but you've not got to that error yet) |
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| 12:35.56 | buckfast | nvm I think I got it |
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| 12:37.08 | xnixan | hi, how to convert swf files to a video format like mpeg, avi etc? |
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| 12:38.44 | ukl | well, there seems to be at least some support for working together with ifupdown in n-m. It somehow shows some of my /etc/network/interfaces-connections when I click "edit connections..." |
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| 13:07.49 | Spliffster | is it possible in gnome (compiz) to open a single window without decoration (the man page of compiz is awfully empty)? |
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| 13:09.02 | [Jasper] | hej guys |
| 13:09.09 | [Jasper] | how can I see which ./configure line debian maintainers used? |
| 13:09.14 | [Jasper] | to build a package? |
| 13:09.37 | dutchfish | Jasp |
| 13:09.39 | jpinx-eeepc | [Jasper]: did you look at ssb maybe |
| 13:09.54 | [Jasper] | ssb ? |
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| 13:10.44 | [Jasper] | jpinx-eeepc what is ssb? |
| 13:11.15 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell [Jasper] about ssb |
| 13:11.17 | penta | anybody use asus usbn11 or tplink tp-wn821n ? |
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| 13:11.43 | [Jasper] | jpinx-eeepc I don't want a backport? |
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| 13:11.44 | abrotman | !tell [Jasper] about debian/rules |
| 13:12.06 | abrotman | [Jasper]: or tell us what you're really trying to figure out |
| 13:12.12 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: I am thinking he might be doing something simpler |
| 13:12.37 | dutchfish | isnt that in the changes? |
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| 13:12.59 | abrotman | i think i may have misread his question |
| 13:13.47 | jpinx-eeepc | me too |
| 13:14.13 | [Jasper] | abrotman I'm trying to build a package called mod_log_sql WITH ssl support |
| 13:14.20 | [Jasper] | but I keep getting *** Make sure OpenSSL headers, and mod_ssl.h are installed. |
| 13:14.37 | [Jasper] | and apparently mod_log_sql_ssl got compiled with the debian package |
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| 13:14.43 | [Jasper] | so i want to know how they did it.. |
| 13:14.46 | dutchfish | check dependecies first |
| 13:14.55 | dutchfish | build dep |
| 13:14.55 | [Jasper] | with build-dep? |
| 13:14.56 | abrotman | [Jasper]: there is a libapache2-mod-log-sql-ssl package already |
| 13:15.03 | [Jasper] | yes abrotman, but I need the newer version |
| 13:15.07 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 13:15.08 | [Jasper] | that is an old version |
| 13:15.24 | [Jasper] | so I'm trying to ./configure it, but it keeps complaining about mod_ssl.h |
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| 13:15.41 | [Jasper] | have been trying to fix this for a long time, but can't get it done :( |
| 13:16.24 | dutchfish | [Jasper], there are actually 2 for /usr/include/apache2/mod_ssl.h |
| 13:16.39 | dutchfish | [Jasper], prefork and threaded version |
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| 13:17.08 | dutchfish | [Jasper], so either apache2-prefork-dev or apache2-threaded-dev |
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| 13:18.21 | [Jasper] | yes, I tried both....anyone want to take a look on my machine? |
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| 13:18.39 | [Jasper] | dutchfish maybe? |
| 13:18.42 | dutchfish | [Jasper], its covered in depth in apache2-doc |
| 13:19.07 | [Jasper] | I tried almost everything dutchfish |
| 13:19.20 | dutchfish | [Jasper], specially mod_ssl.html |
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| 13:20.16 | dutchfish | [Jasper], well, i dont not much about SID, i use only squeeze (testing) and port some from source |
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| 13:20.48 | [Jasper] | abrotman maybe? |
| 13:21.00 | [Jasper] | would be very thankful |
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| 13:21.14 | dutchfish | [Jasper], but if you pastebin the output, we can all have a look at it |
| 13:22.38 | [Jasper] | ok |
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| 13:25.17 | saLOUt | i installed openssh-server. is there anything else to do to enable ssh connections from everywhere? |
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| 13:26.32 | abrotman | saLOUt: not unless you've setup some sort of firewall |
| 13:27.15 | [Jasper] | http://www.pastebin.org/53609 <- dutchfish |
| 13:27.25 | saLOUt | abrotman: i started from a fresh debian installation (cd) |
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| 13:29.02 | dutchfish | [Jasper], i think its obvious: make sure OpenSSL headers, and mod_ssl.h are installed |
| 13:29.09 | [Jasper] | they are? |
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| 13:31.05 | syntaxx | which is much better running your own local dns and put a forward on a public dns that accepts forward or just use the public dns? |
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| 13:32.54 | dutchfish | [Jasper], libssl-dev and one the those i mentioned before |
| 13:32.59 | caraconan | Hi. I'm not able to set up a bluetooth adapter on a squeeze+fluxbox pc. On a ubuntu+gnome works. Can someone point me to configure on debian starting from ubuntu? |
| 13:33.11 | dutchfish | s/the/of |
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| 13:33.35 | [Jasper] | yes, those are installed dutchfish |
| 13:34.07 | dutchfish | [Jasper], and the matching versions, i mean they need prolly to be from SID to (welcome to dep hell) |
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| 13:35.57 | [Jasper] | how do I check dutchfish ? |
| 13:36.01 | [Jasper] | I am usingg lenny |
| 13:36.24 | dutchfish | [Jasper], start with the dep needs from the package you want to compile |
| 13:36.36 | [Jasper] | I did that dutchfish |
| 13:36.39 | [Jasper] | it says nothing to install |
| 13:36.52 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 13:37.14 | [Jasper] | The following packages will be REMOVED: apache2-threaded-dev |
| 13:37.14 | [Jasper] | The following NEW packages will be installed: apache2-prefork-dev |
| 13:37.24 | [Jasper] | so I guess it needs prefork.. |
| 13:37.59 | syntaxx | which is much better running your own local dns and put a forward on a public dns that accepts forward or just use the public dns? |
| 13:38.37 | [Jasper] | dutchfish you want to take a lok on the server? |
| 13:38.49 | dutchfish | [Jasper], it depends on hwo you config it |
| 13:39.51 | thrashold | Someone suggest me which hotkey to use for Yakuake? :) I use F12 for Firebug. I'm considering the Menu key although it is in a incovenient place,a nd Alt+Esc |
| 13:40.00 | dutchfish | [Jasper], but prefork is draw in by default yes |
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| 13:40.20 | Mike1 | is Debian Testing able to handle an ext4 root? |
| 13:40.23 | [Jasper] | you want to take a look on my server? |
| 13:40.41 | dutchfish | [Jasper], so you have that one form lenny's repo, that might be wrong |
| 13:41.14 | dutchfish | [Jasper], you prolly need the one from unstable |
| 13:41.34 | [Jasper] | which one? |
| 13:41.52 | [Jasper] | why would I need anything from unstable? |
| 13:42.09 | dutchfish | [Jasper], apache2-prefork-dev and of course any deps that one poses on you |
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| 13:42.44 | dutchfish | [Jasper], you where building a SID package on lenny right? |
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| 13:43.22 | [Jasper] | no? |
| 13:43.31 | [Jasper] | I'm just building something from source dutchfish |
| 13:43.40 | [Jasper] | from outoforder.cc |
| 13:43.40 | dutchfish | [Jasper], ok, let check us first, what exact version are you trying to build? |
| 13:44.01 | [Jasper] | http://www.outoforder.cc/projects/apache/mod_log_sql/ |
| 13:44.46 | Mike1 | is Debian Testing able to handle an ext4 root? i.e. is the shipped GRUB able to boot it? |
| 13:44.57 | abrotman | the grub2 maybe |
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| 13:45.11 | Mike1 | abrotman: but does Testing come with grub2 as default? |
| 13:45.26 | dutchfish | [Jasper], what about aptitude search libapache2-mod-log ? |
| 13:45.54 | dutchfish | [Jasper], so why build? |
| 13:45.57 | abrotman | Mike1: not sure what the installer is doing .. but it is there |
| 13:46.37 | [Jasper] | dutchfish because it's a newer versian then in debian dutchfish |
| 13:47.06 | dutchfish | [Jasper], so you are using unstable or source, then you have to coop with dependicies |
| 13:47.28 | dutchfish | [Jasper], so use the dev from SID as i told you before |
| 13:48.24 | dutchfish | [Jasper], or wait till someone puts it in bpo |
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| 13:49.27 | Mike1 | abrotman: i‘ll choose ext3 then |
| 13:49.37 | Mike1 | and ext4 for all other partitions |
| 13:49.51 | abrotman | Mike1: or you could just try it and see |
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| 13:50.03 | dutchfish | [Jasper], or if this is expirimenting only atm, upgrade to testing, but dont do thta on a production system |
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| 13:51.44 | dutchfish | [Jasper], fyi, it compiles fine on squeeze/amd64 atm |
| 13:51.59 | [Jasper] | dutchfish did you try? |
| 13:52.05 | dutchfish | [Jasper], yep |
| 13:52.06 | vchrizz | im shrinking a luks container to split it in two pieces, first shrinked the filesystem, now shrinked the luks container... now how do i use the rest of the diskspace? lvm i would say? when i do a pvcreate on the container, do i lose data in the container? |
| 13:52.12 | [Jasper] | with ssl enabled dutchfish ? |
| 13:52.17 | [Jasper] | --enable-ssl |
| 13:52.18 | dutchfish | [Jasper], yep |
| 13:52.21 | [Jasper] | in the ./configure |
| 13:52.32 | dutchfish | [Jasper], how many times ;) yes |
| 13:52.53 | dutchfish | [Jasper], so dep issues only |
| 13:53.06 | [Jasper] | issues with mod_ssl.h |
| 13:53.08 | dutchfish | [Jasper], gl |
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| 13:53.37 | [Jasper] | dutchfish this didn't actually help me :P |
| 13:53.45 | [Jasper] | I need this package....and I need to be on stable.. |
| 13:53.48 | [Jasper] | production wise.. |
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| 13:54.10 | dutchfish | [Jasper], sorry reread carefully what i told you |
| 13:56.28 | bintut | can anyone tell me on how to configure bonding on mode=4 or 802.3ad with a vlan? |
| 13:57.09 | bintut | i mean, configuring the /etc/network/interfaces bonding lacp + vlan ? |
| 13:57.49 | dutchfish | bintut, in xen? |
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| 13:58.11 | bintut | dutchfish: nope. just on it's own lenny amd64 system |
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| 13:58.33 | dutchfish | bintut, and now iSCSII? |
| 13:58.39 | dutchfish | s/now/no |
| 13:58.40 | [Jasper] | dutchfish sid is unstable right? |
| 13:58.49 | Mike1 | Debian Testing got grub2 and also installs it |
| 13:58.50 | dutchfish | [Jasper], yes |
| 13:58.51 | Mike1 | abrotman |
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| 13:59.26 | dutchfish | bintut, http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/bonding.htm |
| 13:59.29 | [Jasper] | dutchfish this sql package is from nov 2006 |
| 13:59.45 | [Jasper] | how can thta ever need unstable packages, stable is later then that date? |
| 13:59.49 | bintut | dutchfish: let me check that link |
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| 14:00.23 | dutchfish | [Jasper], the ssl dev in lenny is to old to build your package, comprende? |
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| 14:00.50 | [Jasper] | is that ssl dev in lenny older then nov 2006? |
| 14:00.50 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 14:01.10 | dutchfish | [Jasper], irrilevent |
| 14:01.23 | dutchfish | [Jasper], by old i meant version |
| 14:01.27 | [Jasper] | so how can you be so sure it's the age of the package whichis the problem? |
| 14:01.35 | [Jasper] | ok, so which package is exactly the problem you think? |
| 14:01.36 | dutchfish | nope |
| 14:01.37 | bintut | dutchfish: that link doesn't discuss about vlan |
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| 14:01.47 | [Jasper] | openssl-dev? |
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| 14:02.13 | [Jasper] | I'll try to upgrade that packaage to sid then, if you give me the exact packagename |
| 14:02.19 | [Jasper] | dont' want to update too much |
| 14:02.19 | dutchfish | bintut, my mistake: http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration |
| 14:02.20 | bintut | dutchfish: i don't have a problem with bonding in mode=4 but i am having a problem if the bonding interface is in a vlan |
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| 14:02.39 | bintut | dutchfish: have it read already |
| 14:03.03 | dutchfish | bintut, can you pastebin your setup (mask ip by x.x.x.x) |
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| 14:03.47 | dutchfish | bintut, and what kernel are you using? |
| 14:03.50 | [Jasper] | dutchfish? |
| 14:03.52 | bintut | dutchfish: ok, please wait |
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| 14:04.01 | dutchfish | bintut, netfilter for ipv6 ? |
| 14:04.01 | KriSztiAN | hello everyone |
| 14:04.37 | dutchfish | [Jasper], sorry, carefully reread all what i have said, i cant help further |
| 14:04.56 | [Jasper] | you can give me the name of the package which causes the problem? |
| 14:05.06 | [Jasper] | at least which one you think causes the problem right/ |
| 14:05.07 | dutchfish | [Jasper], i did already |
| 14:05.14 | [Jasper] | ssl-dev? |
| 14:05.23 | dutchfish | [Jasper], yes |
| 14:05.29 | [Jasper] | is that the package name? |
| 14:05.36 | dutchfish | hehe |
| 14:05.59 | dutchfish | [Jasper], libssl-dev |
| 14:06.01 | [Jasper] | libssl-dev I would think then. I will try to upgrade that |
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| 14:06.28 | dutchfish | [Jasper], take the one from SID along with deps, be carefull and good luck |
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| 14:09.46 | icebrain | I've just switched to Alsa from OSS4 and I'm getting annoying beeps. After googling, I found out about CONFIG_SND_HDA_INPUT_BEEP, and it seems Debian has it enabled by default! Why? And what's the best way to disable it? Do I need to recompile the modules every time I install a new kernel? |
| 14:09.47 | c0nfus3d | hi all - i am trying to follow this link - http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/FAQ#Q.3AHowdoIbootUSBdebian-liveonsystemsnotsupportingUSBboot.3F |
| 14:09.51 | [Jasper] | I would be really surprised if it fixed it dutchfish ;P |
| 14:09.54 | [Jasper] | but let's see |
| 14:10.02 | c0nfus3d | however, i cant find /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2_eltorito |
| 14:10.09 | c0nfus3d | where can i find stage2_eltorito |
| 14:10.20 | dutchfish | [Jasper], i would not take that route, at least not on a production system |
| 14:10.38 | [Jasper] | dutchfish it's just a testing machine at this point |
| 14:10.43 | [Jasper] | actually, I still get the error |
| 14:10.50 | [Jasper] | what line did you use to ./configure? |
| 14:11.00 | dutchfish | [Jasper], then i would test it in testing ;) |
| 14:11.12 | [Jasper] | something like; ./configure --with-apxs=/usr/bin/apxs2 --enable-ssl --with-ssl-inc=/usr/include/apache2 |
| 14:11.50 | [Jasper] | still exact same error dutchfish |
| 14:12.00 | c0nfus3d | where can i find stage2_eltorito? |
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| 14:12.43 | [Jasper] | dutchfish yuou mind taking a look |
| 14:12.45 | [Jasper] | ? |
| 14:12.56 | [Jasper] | you can do anything you want with the system, I'll format it later anyways |
| 14:13.00 | [Jasper] | would appreciate it |
| 14:13.14 | dutchfish | [Jasper], sorry i dont do that |
| 14:13.37 | [Jasper] | why not? |
| 14:13.37 | dutchfish | [Jasper], you also might ask #apache |
| 14:14.02 | dutchfish | [Jasper], or better the package maintainer |
| 14:14.19 | [Jasper] | for debian you mean? |
| 14:14.39 | dutchfish | [Jasper], where you get the source from |
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| 14:15.46 | themill | wonders why people change nick and then come back and ask exactly the same questions again |
| 14:15.54 | [Jasper] | from the website dutchfish |
| 14:16.10 | dutchfish | [Jasper], then ask there |
| 14:16.13 | massmc | test test |
| 14:16.14 | [Jasper] | thomas goirand I need I guess |
| 14:17.15 | massmc | Why is bitchx gone from lenny.. Please maintain it for squeeze.. We cant lose this magical client |
| 14:17.31 | dutchfish | [Jasper], atm it can be anything, my first gues libssl-dev to old, 2nd bug in your source 3th, dependcy resolved uncorrectly |
| 14:17.36 | themill | dpkg: tell massmc about bitchx |
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| 14:18.25 | massmc | meh |
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| 14:18.40 | massmc | but thanks anyways themill |
| 14:18.43 | [Jasper] | dutchfish you said you compiled it from source |
| 14:18.51 | [Jasper] | so I guess it's no bug in the source then right.. |
| 14:19.03 | dutchfish | [Jasper], no, i said i compiled it on squeeze/AMD64 with the same options |
| 14:19.13 | dutchfish | [Jasper], i did NOT use your source |
| 14:19.20 | marcof | hi, could anyone please help me? I want to know something about udev. Thanks. |
| 14:19.27 | icebrain | !ask |
| 14:19.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 14:19.29 | massmc | how is irssi better than bx? |
| 14:19.33 | dutchfish | [Jasper], all the way debian ..... |
| 14:19.35 | massmc | lol |
| 14:19.56 | [Jasper] | how can I try with the exact same make then on debian |
| 14:20.01 | [Jasper] | I got the .100 source with apt-get |
| 14:20.08 | [Jasper] | how can I configure like the maintainer did? |
| 14:20.28 | dutchfish | [Jasper], back to square one: read the source |
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| 14:20.41 | massmc | try to nohup irssi, then /detach bx after for lulz |
| 14:21.01 | massmc | nohup irssi = fail |
| 14:21.13 | dutchfish | [Jasper], every debian sourc epackages has a nice changes |
| 14:22.05 | themill | [Jasper]: you read the debian/rules file as abrotman told you and you install the build-deps to get all the packages you need to build it |
| 14:22.14 | massmc | moronic quit messages? they have been like that for 20 years.. |
| 14:23.06 | massmc | bx is god |
| 14:23.25 | massmc | it must find it to squeeze |
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| 14:24.16 | themill | massmc: unless you go and fix all the problems with bitchx and take over maintaining the code, it will not be in debian. |
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| 14:24.40 | c0nfus3d | can any body guide me where i can find the stage2_eltorito file? |
| 14:24.46 | hoo-hah | what's the site that provides info on why a package is not released to particular Debian release? |
| 14:24.58 | hoo-hah | it'd list reasons why (eg too young etc.) |
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| 14:25.11 | massmc | themill : if I knew how to compile as well as you, then i'd do it |
| 14:25.18 | [Jasper] | ok dutchfish |
| 14:25.22 | [Jasper] | I found this in his documentation |
| 14:25.24 | dutchfish | [Jasper], http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libapache-mod-log-sql.html |
| 14:25.24 | [Jasper] | # Note: no libapache-mod-log-sql-ssl currently because mod_ssl.h |
| 14:25.24 | [Jasper] | # is not provided anywhere in the Debian distro (a bug repport has been filled) |
| 14:25.40 | [Jasper] | that's in the maintainer his documentation |
| 14:25.51 | dutchfish | well, then |
| 14:25.56 | icebrain | hoo-hah: you can use the bot: !why is X not in testing |
| 14:26.15 | abrotman | icebrain: i think you mean /msg ? |
| 14:26.45 | hoo-hah | yeah, I'm chatting with it now |
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| 14:26.55 | [Jasper] | so dutchfish that probably is the cuase? |
| 14:27.02 | dutchfish | [Jasper], http://packages.qa.debian.org/liba/libapache-mod-log-sql.html |
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| 14:27.28 | dutchfish | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libapache2-mod-log-sql-ssl |
| 14:27.35 | massmc | themill : themill : it's just outrageous how other inept irc clients are in the pool like tiny,ircii,kvirc |
| 14:27.55 | themill | massmc: so fix bitchx. |
| 14:28.45 | Josh__ | Back when lenny was released, ext4 was still considered "experimental". It's been a while, Is there any way to get ext4 support in my kernel without having to compile one by hand? |
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| 14:28.55 | [Jasper] | what should I do with that last link dutchfish ? |
| 14:29.00 | themill | [Jasper]: have you used apt-file for mod_ssl.h yet? And have you "apt-get build-dep libapache2-mod-log-sql-ssl" yet? |
| 14:29.02 | massmc | themill : its just the ipv6 problem with it? |
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| 14:29.47 | [Jasper] | what should I do with apt-file themill? |
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| 14:30.16 | massmc | themill : I have no idea how to fix that. But the "moronic quit messages" have been around even before took it on? |
| 14:30.39 | massmc | before debian* |
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| 14:31.54 | [Jasper] | themill what should I do with apt-file? |
| 14:32.04 | marcof | hi, I executed an apt-get update/upgrade on a fresh installation of lenny. It asked me what to do with the 75-persistent-net-generator.rules. Is it safe to update this file? |
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| 14:32.28 | themill | dpkg: tell [Jasper] about apt-file |
| 14:32.39 | [Jasper] | should I search for the pacakage themill? ? |
| 14:32.47 | [Jasper] | it's in prefork and threaded? |
| 14:32.54 | themill | [Jasper]: quite |
| 14:33.00 | hoo-hah | icebrain: ah, I was after http://packages.qa.debian.org |
| 14:33.12 | hoo-hah | thanks, though |
| 14:33.32 | [Jasper] | themill? you think mod_ssl.h is not installed? |
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| 14:38.04 | [Jasper] | dutchfish I found the problem |
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| 14:38.10 | dutchfish | oh? |
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| 14:38.17 | [Jasper] | yes, you tried buildin git right |
| 14:38.21 | [Jasper] | with the exact same lines.. |
| 14:38.30 | [Jasper] | and then it reported back ssl support: yes |
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| 14:38.44 | dutchfish | no |
| 14:38.55 | dutchfish | i builded from debian source package from SID |
| 14:38.59 | [Jasper] | yes, fine :P |
| 14:39.05 | [Jasper] | with the exact same line :) |
| 14:39.09 | [Jasper] | ./configure etc.. |
| 14:39.56 | [Jasper] | you see, as soon as I add --enable-ssl in that line...the ./configure fails....if I don't add --enable-ssl ....it doens't fail :) |
| 14:40.15 | [Jasper] | but it still claims ssl support: yes even though I didn't add --enable-ssl |
| 14:40.43 | [Jasper] | very very weird indeed |
| 14:41.12 | dutchfish | [Jasper], no not weird, look in the debian package how its configured |
| 14:41.41 | [Jasper] | yes without --enable-ssl |
| 14:41.41 | dutchfish | [Jasper], /debina/rules file, it was told you before |
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| 14:41.46 | flo|linux | hi |
| 14:41.49 | dutchfish | s/debina/debian |
| 14:42.02 | [Jasper] | dutchfish according to the programer you need --enable-ssl in configure to add ssl support |
| 14:42.09 | [Jasper] | and in the rules they don't use that.. |
| 14:42.25 | flo|linux | what does debootstrap install when i execute it in a chroot from another running linux distro? |
| 14:42.40 | flo|linux | only a text-mode base system? or does it ask me what i want to have installed? |
| 14:43.10 | dutchfish | [Jasper], maybe its in changes ;) |
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| 14:45.17 | [Jasper] | so basically debian maintainer didn't stick to the ./configure the creator made.. |
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| 14:46.16 | dutchfish | [Jasper], you could have read ./INSTALL and saved yourself along time asking this all |
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| 14:47.43 | [Jasper] | what should I have read in there which would have saved me time dutchfish ? |
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| 14:48.03 | [Jasper] | that line actually doesn't work for me...the first one about the ./configure |
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| 14:48.52 | [Jasper] | and in debian/rules dutchfish you won't see anything about --enable-ssl ...at least i don't |
| 14:49.26 | bintut | dutchfish: kindly check http://paste.debian.net/51515/ . sorry for the late reply |
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| 14:49.38 | dutchfish | [Jasper], you might want to take a seocnd look at it all, at least you get it to compile, and no, you are plain wrong |
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| 14:50.10 | massmc | quested VERSION from |
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| 14:50.33 | dutchfish | bintut, np, looking at it |
| 14:50.49 | [Jasper] | lol dutchfish |
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| 14:52.30 | bintut | dutchfish: but the bond0.220 does not come up. if i execute the command "vconfig add bond0 220", where will the configuration or changes stored for that command? |
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| 14:54.41 | dutchfish | bintut, attomh its not stored at all, its normally in an init script post-init i believe |
| 14:54.49 | dutchfish | bintut, your config looks ok |
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| 14:55.26 | dutchfish | bintut, and watch out with using vlan 1 |
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| 14:55.47 | bintut | dutchfish: what do you mean? |
| 14:56.16 | dutchfish | bintut, On many hardware equipments it is used as management vlan |
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| 14:57.54 | hoo-hah | is there something like bitlbee (something an irc client can connect to for other IM protocols) but available in squeeze? |
| 14:58.05 | [Jasper] | dutchfish apparently you're seeing something which I don't... |
| 14:58.12 | dutchfish | bintut, so you are basically done, except adding the vconfig phrases in post-up |
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| 14:59.12 | dutchfish | [Jasper], sorry time is up |
| 14:59.26 | bintut | dutchfish: so you mean, i missed something? |
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| 14:59.58 | dutchfish | bintut, no not really, but the vconfig you do manually dont execute by itself and are not stored |
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| 15:00.41 | hoo-hah | say I had a bad crontab for one of my users (either poor syntax, or faulty process called, where would I expect to find logged events? |
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| 15:01.21 | dutchfish | bintut, yo can add them /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 15:02.30 | hoo-hah | i've asked this earlier today: how do I enable use of extended keymaps (at console) at boot? |
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| 15:02.39 | [Jasper] | ok dutchfish makefile is bugged....--enable-ssl is default setting....without adding --enable-ssl it compiles fine..no errors....after I add --enable-ssl it fails.... |
| 15:02.58 | hoo-hah | for those maps found at /usr/share/keymaps/i386/include, for example |
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| 15:04.05 | arcsky_ | anyone know a tool for check network capacity in my local network |
| 15:04.09 | dutchfish | [Jasper], there is nothing bugged at least not in the debian source packages, if you talk about something else make that clear please |
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| 15:04.28 | arcsky_ | like hdparm -tT /dev/sda but for networking |
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| 15:05.45 | mcbane | hi |
| 15:06.01 | mcbane | how can I check if my dvb driver supports dvb-s2? |
| 15:06.05 | dutchfish | [Jasper], however if you think a debian package is bugged, feel free to submit a bugrapport |
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| 15:07.43 | [Jasper] | I'm not claiming the package is messed up |
| 15:07.51 | [Jasper] | bugt the maintainer didn't use --enable-ssl |
| 15:08.01 | dutchfish | !slap [Jasper] |
| 15:08.01 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across [Jasper]'s face |
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| 15:09.22 | [Jasper] | dutchfish ? |
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| 15:10.23 | dutchfish | [Jasper], i have the source in front of me (SID source packge) and its alright, nothing wrong at least about the ssl option, you better have a second look |
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| 15:12.59 | [Jasper] | dutchfish try ./configure with --enable-ssl |
| 15:13.28 | bintut | dutchfish: what shall i add in /etc/network/if-up.d/ ? |
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| 15:15.41 | dutchfish | bintut, how i solved it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520436 |
| 15:16.02 | dutchfish | [Jasper], that wont work, because its patched by the mainainers |
| 15:16.14 | dutchfish | [Jasper], look again at the sources |
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| 15:26.02 | dutchfish | i only get in lenny with lenny libssl-dev : configure: WARNING: ** mod_ssl.h not found or missing SSL headers! |
| 15:26.24 | dutchfish | on squeeze not |
| 15:26.39 | dutchfish | with squeeze own libssl-dev that is |
| 15:27.00 | dutchfish | thats ackward |
| 15:27.49 | dutchfish | [Jasper], there might be more to it, i admit |
| 15:28.09 | dutchfish | [Jasper], sorry for my harsh conclusions |
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| 15:39.45 | lhasbs | i just upgraded to lenny, but theres no apt ;( |
| 15:40.43 | jpinx-eeepc | lhasbs: aptitude? |
| 15:41.01 | jpinx-eeepc | lhasbs: or you mean there is no /etc/apt ? |
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| 15:41.52 | lhasbs | when I do apt-get update thers no apt |
| 15:42.12 | lhasbs | im just rebuilding to try it again but i have noticed.... |
| 15:42.18 | jpinx-eeepc | lh1did you try aptitude update? |
| 15:42.26 | jpinx-eeepc | and are you root? |
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| 15:42.51 | lhasbs | yup am root |
| 15:43.29 | lhasbs | ? |
| 15:43.43 | lhasbs | http://pastebin.com/m2ca1b9be |
| 15:44.48 | Josh__ | So there's not 'ivtv-utils' package in debian lenny? |
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| 15:46.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Josh__: not in mine |
| 15:47.11 | lhasbs | jpinx-eeepc: any idea? |
| 15:47.19 | jpinx-eeepc | lhasbs: what command gave you that output |
| 15:47.36 | dutchfish | [Jasper], this is my findings after rince and repeat: http://pastebin.com/fdd8cb5b |
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| 15:48.05 | Josh__ | So how do I go about getting the program 'ivtv-ctl' ? |
| 15:48.08 | Josh__ | erp |
| 15:48.10 | jpinx-eeepc | lhasbs: did you follow the etch->lenny guidance when you upgraded? |
| 15:48.14 | Josh__ | 'v4l2-ctl' ? |
| 15:48.35 | abrotman | lhasbs: aptitude install apt .. what does it say ? |
| 15:50.06 | slope | I'm trying to set up ssh for sftp only with ChrootDirectory so the user is stuck in one folder and it's subfolders. I noticed I could go above that folder and shut it down, removed the keys and put only my own testing key there and now I can't log in, I get this when trying: http://pastebin.com/d1b740f6c , this is my /etc/ssh/ssh_config http://pastebin.com/d6cbc30e5 , this is my /etc/ssh/sshd_config http://pastebin.com/d4c3e4e29 , the files |
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| 15:53.01 | lhasbs | abrotman: tried to install Java, said it needed dependencies, so did apt-get -f install |
| 15:53.30 | abrotman | lhasbs: aptitude install apt .. what does it say ? |
| 15:53.56 | lhasbs | its rebuilding atm so cant run any commands |
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| 15:55.06 | lhasbs | should be done in 10 mins, slow mirror :(# |
| 15:55.35 | lhasbs | thx btw |
| 15:55.59 | Rastafari | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:56.47 | slope | If no one can help me find the problem, maybe you can recommend somewhere to ask? I feel like I've tried everything I can come up with, several times. So I'm pretty lost by now. |
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| 15:56.56 | bookmark | lights up |
| 15:57.11 | Rastafari | through* |
| 15:57.13 | slope | Rastafari: check wineappdb |
| 15:57.17 | lhasbs | abrotman: btw have you heard of Voyage? |
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| 15:57.36 | abrotman | lhasbs: how is this related to Debian? |
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| 15:58.37 | DogBoy | what kernel do I need to compile to run lenny |
| 15:58.47 | bookmark | none? |
| 15:59.01 | DogBoy | in general yes |
| 15:59.10 | bookmark | you can just install lenny and run lenny can't you? |
| 15:59.17 | DogBoy | no I can't |
| 15:59.18 | Rastafari | thank you slope |
| 15:59.21 | DogBoy | hence my question |
| 15:59.36 | bookmark | i'm running lenny, i simply installed it |
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| 15:59.52 | DogBoy | heh |
| 15:59.52 | bookmark | on a laptop no less |
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| 16:00.07 | abrotman | DogBoy: whta's wrong with the kernel in lenny already? |
| 16:00.19 | DogBoy | I'm installing on a cobalt qube |
| 16:00.40 | abrotman | the lenny MIPS doesn't have a kernel ? |
| 16:00.44 | bookmark | in fact i even was able to apt get my accelerated nvidia driver and it also just installed with no compile |
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| 16:01.09 | DogBoy | qube 3 |
| 16:01.17 | DogBoy | which is not mips |
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| 16:01.30 | DogBoy | anyway, does anybody know the answer or no |
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| 16:01.38 | abrotman | DogBoy: you haven't asked an actual question yet |
| 16:02.01 | DogBoy | there is going to be a minimum kernel required to run lenny |
| 16:02.11 | _stack | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:02.14 | DogBoy | I'm trying to figure out how to establish what it is |
| 16:02.22 | bookmark | DogBoy: do you mean you wish to compile your kernel for meer whim? if so look in your /boot directory for your current version and even the config file |
| 16:02.35 | bookmark | or do uname -a |
| 16:02.37 | abrotman | DogBoy: waht is wrong with the kenrel in lenny already? |
| 16:02.39 | bookmark | i thing it is |
| 16:02.42 | bookmark | think |
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| 16:03.22 | abrotman | DogBoy: if you'd tell us what's wrong with the kernel lenny already has, we might be able to help you more |
| 16:04.44 | DogBoy | what is the minimum kernel required to run lenny |
| 16:04.50 | abrotman | DogBoy: if you'd tell us what's wrong with the kernel lenny already has, we might be able to help you more |
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| 16:05.05 | lhasbs | abrotman: theres little documentation on it and i believe its the only(?) deb dist i can put on the ALIX platform |
| 16:05.05 | DogBoy | I didn't say there was anything wrong with it |
| 16:05.15 | abrotman | DogBoy: so then use it |
| 16:05.22 | bookmark | did you mean local minima or absolute minima ; ) |
| 16:05.24 | bookmark | ? |
| 16:05.25 | DogBoy | lol |
| 16:05.26 | abrotman | lhasbs: i know nothing about it .. this channel supports Debian |
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| 16:05.40 | themill | DogBoy: please try to be more vague. That would be much more satisfying for all of us. |
| 16:05.43 | abrotman | DogBoy: why can't you use the Debian kernel? what is wrong with it that you feel the need to screw with it? |
| 16:06.08 | DogBoy | there is nothing ambiguous about my question |
| 16:06.13 | abrotman | yes, there is |
| 16:06.22 | bookmark | DogBoy: trouble is we probably don't know your answer |
| 16:06.30 | bookmark | its a silly quest |
| 16:06.38 | abrotman | DogBoy: if you feel the need to compile your own kernel, then you should know a bit more than you do apparently |
| 16:06.54 | jpinx-eeepc | DogBoy: try removing bits till it doesn't work |
| 16:06.54 | bookmark | computers move forward through time |
| 16:06.55 | themill | DogBoy: you're making us play "guess what the question actually is". It's a boring game. |
| 16:06.56 | abrotman | bookmark: that's not the point .. Debian provides kernels .. i'm not going to sit here and help him do something silly for no good reason |
| 16:06.56 | bookmark | not backward |
| 16:07.06 | abrotman | bookmark: Do you need Debian help? |
| 16:07.10 | bookmark | nope :) |
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| 16:07.14 | bookmark | im just hung out |
| 16:07.15 | DogBoy | no guessing involved at all |
| 16:07.42 | DogBoy | I guess nobody knows the answer though |
| 16:07.47 | bookmark | DogBoy to know your answer we would probably have to have been involved in the devel cycle or closely logged it |
| 16:07.54 | abrotman | bookmark: keep quiet |
| 16:08.01 | abrotman | DogBoy: why can't you use the Debian kernel? |
| 16:08.01 | bookmark | ; p |
| 16:08.01 | themill | DogBoy: well no-one actually seems to know what you're asking, so perhaps you could have another go. Rephrase it. Actually write something that is grammatically sensible and ends with a question mark. |
| 16:08.01 | jpinx-eeepc | DogBoy: try rephrasing your question |
| 16:08.28 | DogBoy | what is the minimum kernel required to run lenny? |
| 16:08.31 | abrotman | DogBoy: why can't you use the Debian kernel? |
| 16:08.39 | bookmark | see they are answering you |
| 16:08.45 | abrotman | bookmark: really .. be quiet |
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| 16:09.05 | dutchfish | DogBoy, the stock kernel |
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| 16:09.42 | dutchfish | DogBoy, and not above 2.6.28 or so (udev changes) |
| 16:10.09 | themill | DogBoy: udev in lenny requires 2.6.18 or higher. |
| 16:10.18 | DogBoy | I can't use the stock kernel |
| 16:10.21 | abrotman | WHY? |
| 16:10.31 | abrotman | answer one god damn question |
| 16:10.34 | DogBoy | I'm installing on a cobalt qube 3 |
| 16:10.38 | DogBoy | I said that already |
| 16:10.47 | themill | abrotman: presumably DogBoy can't use the stock kernel because it's not l33t enough for him. |
| 16:10.54 | abrotman | WHY DOESN'T THE DEBIAN KERNEL WORK? |
| 16:11.13 | DogBoy | thank you themill |
| 16:11.14 | jpinx-eeepc | wow - must be the weekend :/ |
| 16:11.29 | ix | tweak tweak tweak! |
| 16:11.39 | ix | *mumbles something about sore nipples* |
| 16:11.51 | themill | DogBoy: there may be other limitations. Lenny is only well tested with 2.6.26 as that's what it comes with. |
| 16:12.05 | DogBoy | that's what I thought |
| 16:12.14 | abrotman | holy shit ... |
| 16:12.19 | DogBoy | because of the hardware abrotman |
| 16:12.20 | abrotman | someone ate all the stupid pills |
| 16:12.26 | bookmark | why didn't you just ask what is the default kenel in lenny? |
| 16:12.33 | dutchfish | DogBoy, i have succesfuuly used backported down to 2.6.20 |
| 16:12.34 | DogBoy | I'm stuck with installing sarge first |
| 16:12.38 | abrotman | DogBoy: WHY WHY WHY ? |
| 16:12.43 | DogBoy | and working my way up |
| 16:12.45 | themill | DogBoy: you still don't understand that saying "because of the hardware" isn't actually an answer. |
| 16:12.45 | abrotman | DogBoy: stop being fucking vague .. |
| 16:12.53 | abrotman | DogBoy: if it doens't work .. SAY WHY |
| 16:12.56 | DogBoy | jeez, chill out |
| 16:13.02 | abrotman | answer the damn questions |
| 16:13.10 | bookmark | some error? |
| 16:13.10 | themill | DogBoy: you clearly have no idea how annoying you are being |
| 16:13.17 | abrotman | bookmark: really .. zip it |
| 16:13.24 | abrotman | bookmark: you're not helping in any way |
| 16:13.37 | DogBoy | well, I'm not trying to be annoying |
| 16:13.43 | abrotman | then answer questions |
| 16:13.55 | DogBoy | answering a question with a question is also annoying |
| 16:14.13 | DogBoy | I mean there is going to be some minimum kernel required to run each release |
| 16:14.16 | abrotman | DogBoy: we're not here to support people that decide that the Lenny kernel is broken with no valid reason |
| 16:14.22 | dutchfish | DogBoy, to make us help you much easier supply logs to the pastebin, and pinpoint out exactly where you got stranded the next time please |
| 16:14.32 | DogBoy | I can see why you might want to know why I'm asking but that doesn't change the answer |
| 16:14.34 | abrotman | DogBoy: if the lenny kernel doesn't boot on your system, say why |
| 16:14.44 | abrotman | DogBoy: if you can't figure out why it doesn't boot, then ask for help figuring it out .. |
| 16:14.58 | DogBoy | I have it figured out abrotman |
| 16:15.02 | abrotman | then SHARE |
| 16:15.05 | DogBoy | you want me to explain it to you |
| 16:15.12 | DogBoy | it doesn't change the nature of my question |
| 16:15.13 | abrotman | i think i asked that about 15 minutes ago |
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| 16:16.00 | themill | DogBoy: there's a reasonable chance that the people here can offer better suggestions if they know more about the situation. /msg dpkg xyproblem |
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| 16:16.06 | alberto_ | hi |
| 16:16.07 | dutchfish | DogBoy, and please rem we are all volenteers in here .... |
| 16:16.20 | alberto_ | how can I ignore a package with dpkg? not the depends, just the package |
| 16:16.39 | flo|linux | hi |
| 16:16.56 | flo|linux | i'm using an arch linux system, and i'd like to setup a debian system with debootstrap... |
| 16:16.57 | abrotman | alberto_: you want to ignore a package? or you don't want to install it? |
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| 16:17.05 | flo|linux | how would i do this..? |
| 16:17.09 | abrotman | !tell alberto_ about equivs |
| 16:17.12 | DogBoy | it's a weird question I'll admit that |
| 16:17.18 | flo|linux | i.e., which "variant" should i use? |
| 16:17.23 | DogBoy | but it's going to have an answer one way or the other |
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| 16:17.34 | abrotman | DogBoy: we're still waiting for our answers ... |
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| 16:17.48 | DogBoy | but I'm the one with the question |
| 16:17.49 | themill | DogBoy: if you're hoping to upgrade from sarge to lenny directly then you're going to get a broken system. |
| 16:17.50 | DogBoy | heh |
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| 16:18.12 | abrotman | DogBoy: seriously .. answer the fucking question .. why doesn't the lenny system boot? |
| 16:18.21 | abrotman | at this point, you're bordering on troll |
| 16:18.22 | DogBoy | I already upgraded from sarge to etch |
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| 16:18.34 | abrotman | you're refusing to answer questions to get help |
| 16:18.36 | jpinx-eeepc | DogBoy: you are really bad at describing the error. The volunteers here enjoy solving interesting problems, not riddles |
| 16:18.52 | themill | DogBoy: right... at last we get a chance to know something about what you're doing. Keep going... |
| 16:18.59 | DogBoy | jpinx-eeepc, who said there was an error |
| 16:19.03 | abrotman | you did! |
| 16:19.07 | abrotman | you said lenny doesn't boot! |
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| 16:19.09 | DogBoy | never did |
| 16:19.16 | flo|linux | maybe you would enjoy to help a debian-beginner to create its first debian-base-system with debootstrap ;)? |
| 16:19.18 | DogBoy | I never said that either |
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| 16:19.29 | jpinx-eeepc | DogBoy: stop being obtuse and give us the details |
| 16:19.38 | DogBoy | I'm trying to debootstrap from sarge to lenny |
| 16:19.47 | awayand | I have an interesting problem for you guys, it involves sending mail via smtp. I have setup msmtp and use /usr/bin/mail to send the mail. msmtp queues the mail fine, but the mail never gets delivered |
| 16:19.57 | themill | DogBoy: [16:18] <DogBoy> I already upgraded from sarge to etch |
| 16:20.07 | DogBoy | yes? |
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| 16:20.17 | DogBoy | now I'm trying to go from etch to lenny |
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| 16:20.28 | themill | DogBoy: so why don't you just read the release notes? |
| 16:20.32 | DogBoy | and I have to patch and compile the kernel |
| 16:20.39 | abrotman | why? |
| 16:20.40 | themill | why? |
| 16:20.44 | DogBoy | good idea themill |
| 16:20.57 | DogBoy | because it's a cobalt qube |
| 16:21.05 | themill | GAH! |
| 16:21.09 | DogBoy | it's not a mips processor |
| 16:21.14 | DogBoy | qube 3 |
| 16:21.30 | devin | using debian squeeze, every time I try to edit nautilus preferences it just closes? |
| 16:21.31 | abrotman | DogBoy: why are you patching it? the RAQ3 is an AMD k6-2 CPU |
| 16:21.56 | abrotman | DogBoy: what about the lenny kernel doesn't work for the RAQ3 ? |
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| 16:22.12 | DogBoy | abrotman, what's the difference3 |
| 16:22.14 | abrotman | DogBoy: what about the lenny kernel doesn't work for the RAQ3 ? |
| 16:22.45 | DogBoy | at the end of the day I still need to know what the minimum kernel that's required to run lenny is |
| 16:22.52 | themill | why? |
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| 16:23.19 | abrotman | DogBoy: you need to learn how to ask and *answer* questions. Think about this for 10 minutes. If you're not going to answer the questions that we ask you, please go play somewhere else |
| 16:23.20 | {Fah-Q} | DogBoy: you shouldn't have to do that, the difference is that if you do, then thats a bug. As to the minimum kernel, I'd imagine that'd be the default kernel since that's what everything is tested with. |
| 16:24.31 | abrotman | DogBoy: You should be able to tell us what about the STOCK kernel in Lenny doesn't work, and what patches you want to apply. |
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| 16:25.38 | abrotman | DogBoy: We are not here to support some bastardized configuration because you don't want to install the packages that are supposed to be on Lenny, like linux-image-2.6.26-2-486 |
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| 16:26.42 | flo|linux | could somebody please help me with installing a debian base system nfrom an existing system? |
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| 16:26.53 | abrotman | flo|linux: you use debootstrap |
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| 16:27.14 | flo|linux | currently, i'm running debootstrap in a chrooted environment |
| 16:27.22 | flo|linux | but what will i do after that? |
| 16:27.34 | flo|linux | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 16:27.39 | abrotman | what do you want to do with it? boot it or keep using it as a chroot? |
| 16:27.47 | flo|linux | boot it of course ;) |
| 16:27.53 | avu | flo|linux, the install guide has information about installing using debootstrap |
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| 16:28.08 | flo|linux | this page for example says that using my host system's /dev/ is to be used with care... |
| 16:28.14 | avu | flo|linux, including what else you need to do |
| 16:28.46 | avu | (mainly setup fstab, install a kernel, install a bootloader) |
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| 16:30.52 | nadar_ | i have some general questions about debian: since the last release was in february 2009, are there only bugfixes applied to the released software-versions or are there continuous updates of software and kernel versions between the releases? |
| 16:30.53 | flo|linux | is it really dangerous to use my host's /dev in the chroot? |
| 16:31.15 | djp_ | is there a shelf-life for log files? |
| 16:31.15 | themill | dpkg: tell nadar_ about stable |
| 16:31.16 | {Fah-Q} | avu: have you checked out http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html and http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en ? there's some useful info there |
| 16:31.39 | {Fah-Q} | I converted a redhat system to debian remotely a while back. Those links helped me quite a bit |
| 16:32.06 | nadar_ | themill, seems you have to do it manually |
| 16:32.29 | abrotman | nadar_: security fixes and some other bugs (large bugs usually) |
| 16:32.33 | themill | nadar_: what specifically are you looking for. |
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| 16:33.23 | hackemate | hi, i have a problem with my secondary monitor, its color is dark, i tried to max the contrast but is not possible, i tried with live cd and it looks fine, seems a problem with my xorg.conf, indeed, it doesnt detects the monitor (is a flatron LG) this is my config http://pastebin.com/f64326e55 |
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| 16:33.29 | RedTide | hi all |
| 16:33.33 | nadar_ | abrotman, themill, i'd like to know if there are new kernel versions with drivers for new hardware in stable and maybe recently updated software |
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| 16:33.59 | themill | nadar_: /msg dpkg bpo ; use it wisely and selectively. |
| 16:34.26 | nadar_ | themill, sry: only ight now i saw that dpkg /msged me already |
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| 16:35.07 | nadar_ | thanks for your help |
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| 16:36.01 | bookmark | ill be back |
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| 16:38.28 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 16:44.45 | Blues-Man | hello everybody |
| 16:45.07 | Blues-Man | i would add a splash at boot in my debian squeeze but I have this bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=546819 with splashy and cannot solve it |
| 16:45.18 | Blues-Man | is there another splash system that I could use? |
| 16:46.11 | abrotman | usplash ? |
| 16:46.17 | abrotman | does that still exist? |
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| 16:46.47 | lhasbs | abrotman: ok i got it apt working, but still struggling with java :@ |
| 16:46.51 | lhasbs | Error occurred during initialization of VM |
| 16:46.56 | lhasbs | Could not reserve enough space for object heap |
| 16:46.57 | flo_ | i have a problem... in the install guide, at 3.4.5 - configure apt they say i should do deb-src <...> |
| 16:46.58 | Blues-Man | dunno, i know ubuntu using xplash |
| 16:47.03 | flo_ | but there's no deb-src command... |
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| 16:47.06 | abrotman | lhasbs: sounds like a programming issue |
| 16:47.09 | Blues-Man | i'll look for usplash then |
| 16:47.10 | flo_ | what should i do now? |
| 16:47.12 | abrotman | flo_: you don't require those |
| 16:47.22 | flo_ | so i skip that section? |
| 16:47.25 | abrotman | flo_: they're only for building from source if you want such a thing |
| 16:47.28 | abrotman | building packages |
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| 16:47.54 | flo_ | abrotman, building all packages from source, or generally, compiling etc functionality? |
| 16:48.15 | flo_ | i need the "normal" ./configure && make && make install thing... |
| 16:48.15 | lhasbs | ??? |
| 16:48.17 | abrotman | flo_: building packages ... |
| 16:48.21 | abrotman | !deb-src |
| 16:48.21 | dpkg | i guess deb-src is 'deb-src http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian/ <release> main contrib non-free' (example) where '<cc>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-$(uname -r) (if using a Debian kernel) and libc6-dev installed. |
| 16:48.35 | abrotman | flo_: for general compiling you'd want to isntall the build-essential package |
| 16:48.44 | flo_ | ok |
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| 16:49.04 | flo_ | and i'd like if i could create packages from these compiled programs... but that's not important right now |
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| 16:50.45 | pies | hi |
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| 16:51.33 | abrotman | !tell flo_ about mg |
| 16:51.37 | abrotman | i think |
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| 16:53.00 | pies | Anybody have any idea, why links installed from debs don't support utf8 I/O? |
| 16:53.48 | abrotman | you sure it's not your terminal? they're not all utf8 clean |
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| 16:54.04 | CodeNinja | anyone using tweetdeck? I'm suddenly having problems with sizing, its almost a full column extra wide and about 400px height that shouldn't be there, it was fine until I opened it this morning |
| 16:54.30 | pies | I don't think so. elinks, lynx and other use utf I/O |
| 16:55.09 | pies | I also use links with utf8 I/O from remote server by ssh |
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| 16:55.33 | abrotman | links2? |
| 16:55.53 | pies | y, links2 |
| 16:56.07 | pies | current version from testing repo |
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| 16:57.46 | abrotman | have a URL to try? |
| 16:57.57 | pies | ? |
| 16:58.03 | lhasbs | abrotman |
| 16:58.11 | abrotman | a URL to try in links2 so that we can see that it's not UTF8 capable |
| 16:58.12 | lhasbs | i got it apt working, but still struggling with java :@ |
| 16:58.16 | lhasbs | Error occurred during initialization of VM |
| 16:58.20 | lhasbs | Could not reserve enough space for object heap |
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| 16:58.23 | abrotman | lhasbs: sounds like an application error |
| 16:58.31 | flo_ | i'm experiencing the following error whenever i do aptitude install something: "WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!" |
| 16:58.34 | pies | problem is more complicated |
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| 16:58.46 | abrotman | flo_: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 16:58.48 | flo_ | i found out that is has something to do with some signatures... |
| 16:59.17 | abrotman | pies: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=544289 |
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| 16:59.23 | pies | sites I use are in iso-8859-2, but i'm using in terminal utf8 beacuse screen |
| 16:59.34 | xyan | flo_: there should be a warning about a missing archive signing key which you will have to add |
| 16:59.37 | lhasbs | WHAT to do then, abrotman ? |
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| 17:00.19 | lhasbs | abrotman: just bin google'in its a bug apparently |
| 17:00.26 | abrotman | lhasbs: bug in what ? |
| 17:00.28 | lhasbs | fixed in the latest open-jdk |
| 17:00.30 | flo_ | abrotman, that command doesn't do anything... just some messages... |
| 17:00.41 | flo_ | looks like the packages wasn't found or it's already installed. |
| 17:01.02 | abrotman | flo_: put your sources.list in the pastebin |
| 17:01.18 | flo_ | xyan, how can i add it? |
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| 17:01.44 | pies | abrotman: Thanks. How it is possible, that on Gentoo links have utf8 option? |
| 17:01.47 | xyan | flo_: gpg / apt-key |
| 17:02.06 | abrotman | pies: i don't know .. i don't use gentoo .. |
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| 17:02.40 | mrkiko | Hi all! Only a questions! Where can I find boot floppies for debian, which will allow me to install things over the net? I saw the descriptions, but not the images :) |
| 17:02.49 | pies | eh |
| 17:03.05 | lhasbs | abrotman: silly question...whats the diff between open-jdk and sun-jdk? |
| 17:03.09 | lhasbs | and which should I be using? |
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| 17:03.23 | abrotman | lhasbs: one is open .. one is sun .. try thtem both |
| 17:03.27 | pies | shitty, links is best console web browser for me, but I need polish characters... |
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| 17:04.07 | lhasbs | are they likely to conflict? |
| 17:04.10 | abrotman | w3m ? |
| 17:04.15 | abrotman | lhasbs: yes .. try them both |
| 17:04.20 | flo_ | hm. either the aptitude command that did nothing or apt-key list seemed to solve the problem... |
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| 17:04.46 | flo_ | argh. no. didn't work :( |
| 17:05.05 | flo_ | i just didn't go far enough |
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| 17:05.11 | xyan | flo_: is there any missing signature given when you issue aptitude update? |
| 17:05.16 | flo_ | which key should i add, xyan |
| 17:05.29 | xyan | flo_: that one thats listed as _missing_ |
| 17:05.43 | Ben10 | sorry all sorry for bothering. I just install apt-get install cgiirc. but I don't know where to access it |
| 17:05.49 | Ben10 | could you please give me and idea? |
| 17:05.58 | flo_ | xyan, no, but it seemed to download some key |
| 17:06.01 | pies | w3m don't want work for me, elinks and links don't suppor enought good forms for me. |
| 17:06.05 | flo_ | and now the warning is away ;) |
| 17:06.09 | flo_ | thank you ;) |
| 17:06.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben10: man cgiirc ? |
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| 17:06.41 | Ben10 | yeah |
| 17:06.43 | Ben10 | cgiirc |
| 17:06.53 | xyan | flo_: you installed debian-archive-keyring and forgot to aptitude update after that?! |
| 17:07.17 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben10: no - do :~man cgiirc |
| 17:07.31 | flo_ | the install command didn't download or install anything, and nobody told me to do aptitude update ;) |
| 17:07.31 | Ben10 | ohhh |
| 17:07.35 | flo_ | so, no, i didn't |
| 17:07.56 | Ben10 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:07.57 | Ben10 | No manual entry for cgiirc |
| 17:08.33 | flo_ | in 3.4.5 they say that i should do it after changing sources.list... |
| 17:08.38 | Ben10 | whereis cgiirc |
| 17:08.38 | Ben10 | cgiirc: /etc/cgiirc /usr/share/cgiirc |
| 17:08.44 | flo_ | but as i didn't change sources.list, i didn't think i have to do it... |
| 17:08.49 | Ben10 | when i type whereis |
| 17:08.54 | Ben10 | it shown me like this |
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| 17:09.10 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben10: I know nothing about cgiirc, but did you just type cgiirc on the command line? |
| 17:09.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben10: as root |
| 17:09.44 | xyan | flo_: if you add a key to your keyring you should do that as well, otherwise it will tell you about untrusted packages |
| 17:10.09 | Ben10 | in root still not found jpinx-eeepc |
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| 17:11.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben10: Homepage: http://cgiirc.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 17:11.53 | Ben10 | I install in this way |
| 17:12.10 | Ben10 | It required me to install apache2 |
| 17:12.16 | Ben10 | when i installed |
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| 17:12.25 | Ben10 | I don know where can host it |
| 17:12.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben10: read aptitude show cgiirc |
| 17:12.56 | Ben10 | becuse i don know where can i crearte folder public_html/cgi-bin folder |
| 17:14.08 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben10: you really need to look for a hosting how-to |
| 17:14.33 | jpinx-eeepc | Ben10: this is basic hosting you are dealing with - nothing debian specific |
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| 17:15.01 | Ben10 | ermm |
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| 17:15.21 | Ben10 | 1. hosting store and run cgi file |
| 17:15.26 | Ben10 | just only this? |
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| 17:15.53 | Ben10 | how about irc gateway work? |
| 17:16.17 | flo_ | i'm using debian and other linux distros parallely, they share a /boot partition. |
| 17:16.30 | flo_ | how should i set up /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
| 17:16.52 | flo_ | i don't really understand (after reading the manpage) what link_in_boot, do_symlinks etc do |
| 17:16.53 | xoz | flo_: bad idea to have one /boot |
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| 17:17.18 | flo_ | xoz, it's the only way, cause i'm using lvm... |
| 17:17.29 | flo_ | i can't store grub or kernel files in the lvm volumes |
| 17:17.31 | amgarchIn9 | Hi! How do I produce a different pw-hash? see the format: FAI_ROOTPW='$1$kBnWcO.E$djxB128U7dMkrltJHPf6d1' |
| 17:17.45 | flo_ | and i also can't create a second boot, because that would change partition names |
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| 17:18.13 | flo_ | i've got no problem to adjust grub.conf manually after a kernel upgrade. actually i'd like to do this manually) |
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| 17:19.46 | flo_ | given that i'm using a shared /boot and that i can't change that, how can i set up my kernel-img.conf? |
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| 17:20.15 | flo_ | as i said, i don't really understand the sense of these variables... |
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| 17:23.45 | dutchfish | amgarchIn9, echo "mypassword" | makepasswd --clearfrom=- --crypt-md5 |awk '{ print $2 }' |
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| 17:25.24 | xoz | flo_: you dont have to create a separate /boot for your other linux. you can place it in the same partition with root |
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| 17:25.51 | flo_ | i can't, because root lays on a lvm logical volume which grub can't access |
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| 17:27.51 | amgarchIn9 | dutchfish: thanks! that works. |
| 17:27.58 | dutchfish | amgarchIn9, yw |
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| 17:33.56 | Rastafari | When I go on terminal and type wine and go and click configure appear error 290 winecfg not found command not found |
| 17:34.02 | Rastafari | How can I fix it ? |
| 17:34.30 | JPT | wincfg was not found? Oo |
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| 17:34.48 | JPT | wait a second |
| 17:34.50 | Rastafari | yup |
| 17:35.04 | JPT | typing "wine" causes wine to tell me how to use the "wine" command |
| 17:36.07 | slope | JPT: I think it was "wine winecfg" |
| 17:36.18 | JPT | just type "winecfg" and it will work |
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| 17:36.33 | JPT | hmm |
| 17:36.40 | JPT | strange... wine winecfg works, too |
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| 17:36.53 | JPT | maybe you managed to kill parts of your wine installation |
| 17:36.55 | Rastafari | bash : winecfg : command was not found |
| 17:36.57 | bintut | waves |
| 17:37.12 | dutchfish | bintut, you succeeded? |
| 17:37.26 | bintut | dutchfish: not yet. i still cannot ping each other.. : |
| 17:37.27 | bintut | :( |
| 17:37.41 | bintut | dutchfish: http://paste.debian.net/51523/ |
| 17:38.13 | dutchfish | bintut, routing rules in place? |
| 17:38.18 | lhasbs | abrotman: same prob with both sun and open |
| 17:38.28 | bintut | dutchfish: ifconfig command output looks ok but i still cannot ping each other |
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| 17:38.35 | abrotman | lhasbs: sounds like an application error |
| 17:38.41 | dutchfish | bintut, i suspect route |
| 17:39.35 | dutchfish | bintut, route -n would tell you, take special care on wich interfaces every rule is bounded to |
| 17:39.53 | bintut | dutchfish: i don't think route matters here because the bond0.220 network is actually almost directly connected with the other machine with a gigabit switch in-between |
| 17:40.28 | dutchfish | bintut, sure, but it can mess it up |
| 17:41.08 | dutchfish | bintut, and are you sure the other end is pingable? |
| 17:41.12 | bintut | dutchfish: kindly check http://paste.debian.net/51524/ |
| 17:41.14 | lhasbs | abrotman: What do you mean by that, as in a bug with the java install? |
| 17:41.24 | bintut | dutchfish: yes |
| 17:42.07 | abrotman | lhasbs: no .. a bug in the program you're trying to run |
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| 17:43.03 | dutchfish | bintut, hint: how the replace will travel back over the bond when you look at the routes? |
| 17:43.11 | dutchfish | s/replace/replys |
| 17:43.49 | lhasbs | abrotman: i aint even got that far! all im trying to do is install java |
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| 17:44.06 | Rastafari | JPT: thats it |
| 17:44.11 | Rastafari | bash : winecfg : command was not found |
| 17:44.13 | abrotman | lhasbs: which version of Debian? how much RAM does your system have ? |
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| 17:44.38 | bintut | dutchfish: the link where the bond0.220 is connected? |
| 17:44.54 | Rastafari | wine config separeted generate code 126 , c://windows/system32/config.exe not found |
| 17:44.58 | dutchfish | bintut, yes, unless you have routing enabled in the kernel that is |
| 17:45.05 | pav5088 | I'm having resolution issues with Squeeze ie. I'm at a low res after an update... any ideas as to what's going on? |
| 17:45.23 | dutchfish | bintut, but that depends on your setup |
| 17:45.43 | bintut | dutchfish: do you want me to configure a route between two machines? |
| 17:45.54 | dutchfish | bintut, if that is what you need? |
| 17:46.20 | bintut | the 192.168.101.0/24 is actually almost a dedicated link between the 2 machines |
| 17:46.25 | dutchfish | bintut, or, you want to keep the nets separate |
| 17:47.02 | dutchfish | bintut, but rem: in what subnet is the machine itself? |
| 17:47.08 | lhasbs | abrotman: Voyage, upgraded to lenny from etch, 256mb RAM, as I stated before its an ALIX platform (embdedded) |
| 17:47.12 | bintut | serverA <==> switch <==> serverB |
| 17:47.14 | pav5088 | ...actually I the lowres problem on two systems - a desktop machine and a virtual machine (on an Ubuntu box) |
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| 17:47.37 | abrotman | lhasbs: is Voyage a distro ? |
| 17:47.49 | dutchfish | bintut, if the UG was on the bond side then it prolly works |
| 17:47.58 | bintut | dutchfish: the vlan 220 is on the same location at 192.168.101.0/24 |
| 17:48.10 | bintut | dutchfish: nope |
| 17:48.10 | dutchfish | bintut, right |
| 17:48.21 | pav5088 | It seems that my monitors are not detected and therefore I'm not getting a high resolution offered to me. |
| 17:48.27 | lhasbs | abrotman: debian derived distro |
| 17:48.30 | bintut | dutchfish: it worked fine before without vlan configured |
| 17:48.39 | dutchfish | bintut, mm... ok |
| 17:48.47 | abrotman | lhasbs: i have no idea with something that isn't debian |
| 17:49.02 | dutchfish | bintut, and your switch is properly configured? |
| 17:49.30 | dutchfish | bintut, if default onfig, it will reject all except vlan 0 |
| 17:49.36 | dutchfish | s/onfig/config |
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| 17:49.52 | WhiteCrow11 | hi guy's |
| 17:49.57 | bintut | dutchfish: ok, the other end/server is centos.. i must admit, it's pretty easy for me to configure bonding + vlan on centos... and the other end as you may know is lenny |
| 17:50.12 | dutchfish | bintut, ok |
| 17:50.14 | bintut | dutchfish: yes |
| 17:50.41 | bintut | dutchfish: i'm using hp procurve 24 gigabit |
| 17:50.45 | abrotman | lhasbs: for starters .. what kernel is it ? |
| 17:50.49 | dutchfish | bintut, ok |
| 17:50.57 | WhiteCrow11 | i want new Ver VLC but i can't find .deb file i want to know can i install ubuntu VLC in debian ? |
| 17:51.03 | abrotman | no |
| 17:51.37 | abrotman | WhiteCrow11: which version do you want ? |
| 17:51.42 | Hoxzer | everybody will say "No" but in reality it might work if you just ignore depencies |
| 17:51.50 | dutchfish | bintut, and what does tcpdump tells you? |
| 17:51.55 | abrotman | Hoxzer: are you going to fix his broken system ? |
| 17:51.57 | lhasbs | abrotman: Linux voyage 2.6.23-486-voyage |
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| 17:52.01 | dutchfish | bintut, on the lenny box that is |
| 17:52.02 | WhiteCrow11 | abrotman: last ver i want |
| 17:52.07 | abrotman | lhasbs: why not install the Debian kernel ? |
| 17:52.14 | abrotman | Hoxzer: ignoring dependencies is utterly stupid |
| 17:52.20 | Hoxzer | abrotman: Seriously dude |
| 17:52.23 | abrotman | WhiteCrow11: which version of Debian ? |
| 17:52.27 | Hoxzer | abrotman: it isn't if they are met |
| 17:52.30 | Hoxzer | anyway |
| 17:52.34 | WhiteCrow11 | abrotman: lenny |
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| 17:52.52 | Hoxzer | the packages have differnet names on ubuntu and debian that's why I said "ignore them" |
| 17:52.55 | dutchfish | bintut, i mean tcpdump -i bond0 |
| 17:53.02 | lhasbs | abrotman: im not that pro :( |
| 17:53.07 | bintut | dutchfish: not -i bond0.220 ? |
| 17:53.23 | abrotman | lhasbs: aptitude install linux-image-486 .. hopefully it doesn't die |
| 17:53.29 | lhasbs | abrotman: i thought the voyage one was designed for embedded platforms |
| 17:53.39 | WhiteCrow11 | abrotman: how can i do ? |
| 17:53.40 | abrotman | lhasbs: i have no idea .. it's not a Debian kernel |
| 17:53.56 | dutchfish | bintut, yes bond0.220 |
| 17:54.10 | abrotman | WhiteCrow11: i'm not sure you can .. i don't see a backport anywhere |
| 17:54.39 | dutchfish | bintut, do you see arp q/r's? |
| 17:54.47 | bintut | dutchfish: hhmmm.. i don't see traffic from the other box although the other box is running a continuous ping |
| 17:54.49 | lhasbs | abrotman: what do you suggest I do? |
| 17:55.00 | bintut | dutchfish: nope |
| 17:55.00 | abrotman | i said |
| 17:55.11 | WhiteCrow11 | abrotman: how can i install flash-player ? and restricted-extras ? |
| 17:55.19 | dutchfish | bintut, then either the switch blocks it, or the sending box has firewall rules prohibiting it |
| 17:55.22 | abrotman | !tell WhiteCrow11 about adobe flash |
| 17:55.34 | abrotman | !tell WhiteCrow11 about dmm |
| 17:55.36 | bintut | dutchfish: arp -an don't have entries from bond0.220 link |
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| 17:56.00 | dutchfish | scratches head |
| 17:56.18 | bintut | dutchfish: i'm checking my switch's manual |
| 17:56.25 | dutchfish | bintut, good thought |
| 17:56.25 | WhiteCrow11 | abrotman: tnx a lot dude (in my language >> مرسی ) :) |
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| 17:57.30 | dutchfish | bintut, one thing to check also, can you kernel do vlanning over a bond? |
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| 17:57.53 | bintut | dutchfish: you mean on my lenny? |
| 17:57.55 | dutchfish | bintut, not all can out of the box |
| 17:58.01 | dutchfish | bintut, yes |
| 17:58.15 | bintut | dutchfish: i'm not sure. i'm using the stock kernel of lenny amd64 |
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| 17:58.30 | dutchfish | bintut, i have not self tested it on lenny |
| 17:58.40 | dutchfish | bintut, because i compile my own |
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| 17:59.01 | bintut | dutchfish: i see.. i checked the config file inside /boot and it's a module |
| 17:59.02 | dutchfish | bintut, but others should be able to answer that |
| 17:59.21 | dutchfish | bintut, so the mdoule for th ekernel is there? |
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| 18:00.35 | dutchfish | bintut, i mean 8021q |
| 18:00.48 | bintut | dutchfish: yes |
| 18:00.54 | dutchfish | bintut, ok, thats good |
| 18:02.07 | dutchfish | bintut, there is also this: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/browse_thread/thread/a8d31e19f60c6d17 |
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| 18:02.22 | Rastafari | When I go on terminal and type wine and go and click configure appear error 290 winecfg not found command not found |
| 18:02.27 | Rastafari | How can I fix it ? |
| 18:02.52 | dutchfish | bintut, mind the up and pre-up stements, the order might be important |
| 18:03.39 | bintut | dutchfish: ok, thanks.. ;) |
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| 18:03.51 | dutchfish | bintut, tell me if you succeed |
| 18:04.11 | bintut | dutchfish: sure! ;) |
| 18:04.31 | TraceRoute_ | any of you that are using squeeze, in Nautilus does it close when you go to preferences? |
| 18:05.17 | dutchfish | bintut, last thing to check, if your driver is capable of doing this |
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| 18:05.48 | dutchfish | bintut, but on any reasanable card i got it going |
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| 18:07.12 | bintut | dutchfish: tg3 is the driver i'm using |
| 18:07.26 | bintut | dutchfish: now i suspect that it could be the switch |
| 18:07.27 | slope | Hi, I believe I found a bug, but I'd like someone else to try it before I report. I can log into an openssh-server for sftp with the command sftp, but if I try to do this in nautilus it won't do it. The key is in ~/.ssh so it should work, but it doesn't. Anyone with access to an openssh-server want to try it out? |
| 18:07.28 | dutchfish | bintut, on what kernel? |
| 18:07.39 | dutchfish | bintut, 2.6.26? |
| 18:07.48 | slope | This is on Squeeze btw |
| 18:07.53 | bintut | dutchfish: 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 18:07.54 | bintut | yes |
| 18:08.07 | S1kx | karihre: was it you that used virtualbox? |
| 18:08.08 | dutchfish | bintut, pfff... dont rule that out yet |
| 18:08.16 | WhiteCrow11 | by |
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| 18:08.34 | bintut | dutchfish: i am kilometers away from my boxes |
| 18:08.38 | dutchfish | bintut, i had my fair share back then with that kernel and tg3 |
| 18:08.44 | bintut | dutchfish: i cannot check my switch |
| 18:08.49 | dutchfish | bintut, ok, just be carefull |
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| 18:09.03 | bintut | dutchfish: thanks.. ;) |
| 18:09.45 | dutchfish | bintut, i am out of hints |
| 18:10.06 | TraceRoute_ | is there a channel for testing? |
| 18:10.17 | dutchfish | TraceRoute87, a sec |
| 18:10.19 | bintut | dutchfish: what you provided are good enough.. |
| 18:11.35 | dutchfish | TraceRoute87, i can only test so far: under KDE/squeeze/amd64 with gdm-emul i cna happely check preferences in nautulus |
| 18:11.53 | dutchfish | TraceRoute87, i dont know under gdm |
| 18:12.08 | bintut | dutchfish: thanks.. i will check my boxes and switch tomorrow |
| 18:12.28 | dutchfish | bintut, i am on KDM |
| 18:12.55 | bintut | dutchfish: what is kdm? kde desktop manager ? |
| 18:13.05 | TraceRoute_ | yes |
| 18:13.06 | dutchfish | !kdm |
| 18:13.06 | dpkg | i heard kdm is the KDE Display Manager - an even swankier version of xdm, for the K Desktop user. |
| 18:13.29 | TraceRoute_ | mine jank on gnome |
| 18:13.49 | dutchfish | bintut, the last was for TraceRoute87 |
| 18:13.52 | abrotman | TraceRoute_: it's a known bug |
| 18:13.55 | bintut | dutchfish: ok! ;) |
| 18:14.02 | dutchfish | bintut, sorry |
| 18:14.03 | abrotman | !bts |
| 18:14.04 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
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| 18:14.46 | bintut | dutchfish: sorry for what? |
| 18:14.58 | dutchfish | bintut, i used wrong name in front |
| 18:15.30 | bintut | dutchfish: it's ok.. no worries.. ;) |
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| 18:15.56 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 18:18.37 | RaceCondition | can I safely cancel/rollback a aptitude safe-upgrade process? |
| 18:18.41 | dutchfish | TraceRoute_, but KDM has its own fair share of things to debug |
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| 18:19.37 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, do you have backups? |
| 18:19.41 | RaceCondition | actually I pressed Ctrl+C in the middle of the process which terminated just one step, but not the whole pr |
| 18:19.44 | RaceCondition | ocess |
| 18:19.52 | RaceCondition | dutchfish: not really, I think |
| 18:20.14 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, it can be done, but not easely in one go |
| 18:20.30 | RaceCondition | dutchfish: http://dpaste.com/ please check this out for a moment |
| 18:20.43 | RaceCondition | does this mean trouble for me? can I fix it? I have a feeling that I messed something up |
| 18:21.07 | RaceCondition | it was complaining something about me needing extra firmware or smth because of a kernel upgrade and the non-free repository not being enabled |
| 18:21.08 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, can you hand me the correct link? |
| 18:21.16 | RaceCondition | so I freaked out and pressed Ctrl-C |
| 18:21.22 | RaceCondition | lol, sorry, hold on :P |
| 18:21.26 | RaceCondition | http://dpaste.com/120458/ |
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| 18:22.43 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, ouch, you killed generation of an inird after the kernel install? |
| 18:22.51 | dutchfish | s/inird/initrd |
| 18:23.21 | dutchfish | you can purge the linux-image with dpkg if you still have th eold kernel |
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| 18:23.33 | RaceCondition | dutchfish: how do I know if I have it? |
| 18:23.42 | dutchfish | \dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
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| 18:23.52 | dutchfish | dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 18:23.52 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep linux-image |
| 18:24.39 | RaceCondition | dutchfish: I get a list |
| 18:24.55 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, just the versions in 1 line please |
| 18:25.06 | RaceCondition | http://dpaste.com/120463/ |
| 18:25.10 | dutchfish | ok |
| 18:25.27 | RaceCondition | I guess I have it |
| 18:25.44 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, so: dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.31-1-amd64 |
| 18:26.02 | RaceCondition | that's it? or it's just the first step? |
| 18:26.04 | dutchfish | then update-grub (if you have grub) |
| 18:26.19 | bintut | waves |
| 18:26.22 | RaceCondition | yes, grup |
| 18:26.24 | bintut | gtg now |
| 18:26.30 | bintut | thanks dutchfish once again |
| 18:26.31 | dutchfish | bintut, gl |
| 18:26.32 | bintut | ;) |
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| 18:26.45 | RaceCondition | dutchfish: weird, the upgrade process gave me the same firmware files missing warning which made me ctrl-c at first |
| 18:26.50 | RaceCondition | what does it mean? |
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| 18:27.06 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, thats normal you prolly missing the firmware package |
| 18:27.25 | RaceCondition | http://dpaste.com/120467/ this message |
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| 18:27.33 | RaceCondition | OK, I'll just press OK and continue |
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| 18:27.46 | RaceCondition | but it gave me "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-1-amd64" again |
| 18:28.19 | dutchfish | on: so: dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.31-1-amd64 ? |
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| 18:28.33 | RaceCondition | dutchfish: OK, hold on |
| 18:28.46 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, ok |
| 18:28.52 | RaceCondition | should I wait till the upgrade completes? |
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| 18:29.11 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, depends on what you want, this is lenny with bpo? |
| 18:29.30 | RaceCondition | it's debian unstable, that's all I know |
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| 18:29.54 | dutchfish | !sid |
| 18:29.55 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 18:30.30 | dutchfish | i am afraid i cant help you with that, i do stable/testing only |
| 18:30.53 | RaceCondition | hmm, is there a fundamental-conceptual difference? |
| 18:31.09 | dutchfish | unstable = SID |
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| 18:31.43 | dutchfish | whats in your repo file? /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 18:32.40 | RaceCondition | dutchfish: my source.list file: http://dpaste.com/120468/ |
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| 18:33.06 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, yep thats SID aka unstable |
| 18:33.33 | RaceCondition | so should I still dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6.31-1-amd64? |
| 18:33.47 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, 1st be very carefull |
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| 18:33.56 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: aka experimental - never to be released |
| 18:34.15 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, 2 when using SID llok at the curent condition of SIDs repo before you upgrade |
| 18:34.33 | dutchfish | RedTide, 3. yes, you can uninstall that kernel |
| 18:34.45 | dutchfish | sorry that was for RaceCondition |
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| 18:35.24 | flo__ | hi |
| 18:35.35 | dutchfish | aptitude purge linux-image-2.6.31-1-amd64 |
| 18:35.42 | RaceCondition | OK |
| 18:35.45 | dutchfish | then |
| 18:35.48 | RaceCondition | and what do I have to tell grub? |
| 18:35.52 | dutchfish | update-grub |
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| 18:35.55 | flo__ | can i add a suffix to all files from the kernel packages? i'd like all files put into /boot to be marked as debian-kernel files |
| 18:36.20 | RaceCondition | dutchfish: btw, does it matter that the safe-upgrade process repead the thing tha tI canceld? |
| 18:36.24 | RaceCondition | i.e. http://dpaste.com/120458/ |
| 18:36.42 | RaceCondition | I got this http://dpaste.com/120470/ |
| 18:37.07 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, you can install the firmware package at the top of my head for that |
| 18:37.21 | RaceCondition | what? |
| 18:37.44 | RaceCondition | install it at the top of your head? is it some sort of an idiomatic English expression? :P |
| 18:37.48 | dutchfish | i believe thos eare in: firmware-linux |
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| 18:38.24 | RaceCondition | firmware-linux-nonfree? |
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| 18:39.03 | dutchfish | either that or firmware-linux , just aptitude show firmware-linux will tell you |
| 18:39.22 | RaceCondition | OK |
| 18:39.31 | RaceCondition | but still, can you answer about what I asked? |
| 18:39.38 | Gm4n | RaceCondition: "off the top of my head" = what I remember without thinking hard about it |
| 18:39.41 | RaceCondition | i.e. aptitude repeating what I terminated accidentally |
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| 18:40.32 | dutchfish | RaceCondition, hard to judge, it prolly installed othe rpackages as well |
| 18:41.53 | RaceCondition | hmm |
| 18:42.02 | RaceCondition | I can't decide anymore what to do :P |
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| 18:42.55 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: apptitude logs are handy |
| 18:43.17 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: well I have the output of what aptitude safe-upgrade gave me |
| 18:43.27 | RaceCondition | I just don't know how to interpret it |
| 18:43.54 | RaceCondition | I f***ed something up and it seems as if aptitude was smart enough to fix it, i.e. run something twice because I interrupted it the first time, but I'm not sure |
| 18:44.21 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: check /var/log/aptitude... and read it carefully |
| 18:44.37 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: getting out of sid can be a bitch |
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| 18:45.10 | RaceCondition | hmm |
| 18:45.34 | RaceCondition | I can't find aptitude's log files |
| 18:45.38 | RaceCondition | not under /var/log anyway |
| 18:45.44 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: I am assuming you want to back down to squeeze ? |
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| 18:46.15 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: what do you mean? |
| 18:46.15 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: mine are in /var/log/aptitude |
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| 18:46.26 | RaceCondition | I just want the system to continue running and operating safely |
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| 18:46.54 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: you are in sid/experimental/unstable - safely is not on your agenda |
| 18:47.10 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: well I didn't choose to install unstable |
| 18:47.31 | RaceCondition | basically I just want the machine to continue functionin |
| 18:47.32 | RaceCondition | g |
| 18:48.01 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: what is *not* functioning atm? |
| 18:48.19 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: everything, but I don't know about what happens when I reboot |
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| 18:49.09 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: are you saying that it is completely broken? |
| 18:49.10 | flo__ | is there a way to use wildcards on the vmlinuz files update-grub uses? |
| 18:49.31 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: I'm saying that I don't know :) |
| 18:49.35 | flo__ | i've got various other kernels from different distros in my /boot, and update-grub adds an entry for _each_ kernel |
| 18:49.46 | flo__ | i'd like to have an entry for each debian kernel |
| 18:49.52 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: qcan you run stuff at the moment? |
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| 18:50.00 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: yes |
| 18:50.07 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: be specific please |
| 18:50.25 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: this is what I had first: http://dpaste.com/120458/, later in the safe-upgrade process I got http://dpaste.com/120470/ |
| 18:51.27 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: your pastes are out of time |
| 18:51.36 | RaceCondition | out of time?? |
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| 18:51.45 | jpinx-eeepc | 404 |
| 18:51.56 | RaceCondition | no they aren't |
| 18:52.11 | RaceCondition | I just pasted them 2 minutes ago and I can refresh them just fine |
| 18:52.14 | jelly-home | RaceCondition: those W: lines are warnings only. If your ethernet interface works fine after the reboot, ignore them. |
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| 18:52.37 | RaceCondition | but I haven't rebooted and I don't want to reboot before I'm sure everything will continue working after the reboot... |
| 18:52.55 | jelly-home | RaceCondition: do you have physical access to the machine? |
| 18:53.01 | RaceCondition | and it's not the warnings that I'm worried about |
| 18:53.05 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: ah - your punctuation was in the url ;) |
| 18:53.06 | RaceCondition | it's the "subprocess installed post-installation script killed by signal (Interrupt)" part |
| 18:53.13 | jpinx-eeepc | W = warning only |
| 18:53.37 | jelly-home | RaceCondition: you pressed ^C and interrupted it. dpkg complaining at that point is normal. |
| 18:54.02 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: jelly-home: is right - run it again and don't kill it |
| 18:54.08 | jelly-home | he already did that. |
| 18:54.12 | jelly-home | everything is fine. |
| 18:54.20 | RaceCondition | I didn't run safe-upgrade again |
| 18:54.27 | RaceCondition | it just seemingly repeated what I interrupted |
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| 18:54.37 | RaceCondition | but it's not easy to believe that it is that smart |
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| 18:54.41 | jelly-home | RaceCondition: that's correct. |
| 18:55.04 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: if you are using aptitude and not apt-get - it *is* that smart ;) |
| 18:55.11 | RaceCondition | hmm, OK |
| 18:55.17 | jelly-home | aptitude in fact does retry running a failed postinst configure script once. |
| 18:55.23 | RaceCondition | so if I screw something up, it'll just do it again until I stop screwing? :P |
| 18:55.34 | jelly-home | "once" |
| 18:55.38 | RaceCondition | OK, so it should be pretty safe for me to simply reboot |
| 18:55.57 | jelly-home | as safe as sid can be |
| 18:56.00 | RaceCondition | yeah |
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| 18:56.20 | RaceCondition | it's not a production server, just for development |
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| 18:56.38 | RaceCondition | but the team might be pissed at me if, on mondey, they discover that I've screwed up the devserver |
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| 18:56.40 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: I am concerned that you don't have aptitude logs |
| 18:56.57 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: I just don't know where to look for them -- they're not in /var/log/aptitude* |
| 18:56.57 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: those logs can help you a lot |
| 18:57.10 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: run locate? |
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| 18:57.22 | flo__ | when i do a kernel upgrade, will the old kernel files then be deleted, or will they be kept? |
| 18:57.35 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: locate aptitude.log? |
| 18:57.43 | jpinx-eeepc | flo__: afaik they will not be deleted |
| 18:57.50 | jelly-home | RaceCondition: noone sane uses unstable as a system to base stuff |
| 18:57.56 | jelly-home | on |
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| 18:58.07 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: he's been told that a few times |
| 18:58.13 | RaceCondition | jelly-home: well the guy that set that machine up was quite sane a guy |
| 18:58.14 | dutchfish | flo__, in debian kernels are never deleted unless the same version got security fixes |
| 18:58.20 | jelly-home | RaceCondition: unstable is to fix issues in Debian, nothing else. |
| 18:58.21 | flo__ | jpinx-eeepc, so if i miss updating my grub.conf, i will only have an old kernel, but not trying to boot an nonexistent |
| 18:58.27 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: you would be well advised to back down to squeeze |
| 18:58.28 | RaceCondition | and in fact in our company we've used unstable even for production several times with no problems |
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| 18:58.36 | jelly-home | RaceCondition: you got lucky |
| 18:58.36 | flo__ | dutchfish, but then it gets overwritten with the same name, right? |
| 18:58.50 | RaceCondition | jelly-home: well the problem is, stable has old versions which sucks and causes headaches |
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| 18:59.03 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: squeeze is not stable |
| 18:59.15 | dutchfish | flo__, right |
| 18:59.16 | rgr | how can I find out what command the gnome "lock screen" applet does? right click and properties selects the saver it needs. I want to lock the screen using gnome-screensave but from an xmonad command so need the correct command line fu. There is nothing I can see in the manpage. |
| 18:59.25 | jelly-home | RaceCondition: that problem is solved by updating/backporting _only_ those few bits of software you absolutely need updated |
| 18:59.28 | RaceCondition | we might simply change to Ubuntu because Ubuntu has new versions, but that's a different topic |
| 18:59.28 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: you need to look at the versions and what they are |
| 18:59.51 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: debian will do what you want - if you learn how to do it |
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| 19:00.02 | jelly-home | RaceCondition: sure, that'll be less work for #debian :-) |
| 19:00.15 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: I'll stick to unstable for now :) |
| 19:00.28 | jpinx-eeepc | bows out |
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| 19:01.27 | jelly-home | rgr: I don't know much about Gnome, but _if_ it uses xscreensaver, "xscreensaver-command -lock" would be an equivalent |
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| 19:05.25 | phogg | jelly-home: gnome stopped using xscreensaver a while ago and wrote their own clone, just like KDE did. |
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| 19:05.57 | phogg | and gnome-screensaver does not appear to have a -lock option. |
| 19:06.01 | simonrvn | still uses xscreensaver, prefers it |
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| 19:06.06 | jelly-home | eh, freakin id10ts |
| 19:06.13 | phogg | simonrvn: you aren't insane |
| 19:06.31 | g0ya | <msg> |
| 19:06.47 | jelly-home | <rply> |
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| 19:08.09 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: reboot worked |
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| 19:08.35 | RaceCondition | and at least one website is still up and running :P |
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| 19:09.52 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: you really are on your own - we don't support sid |
| 19:09.58 | jelly-home | RaceCondition: we were just discussing in the offtopic channel that you're going to keep using unstable until you get badly burnt one day |
| 19:10.15 | jelly-home | just don't come crying |
| 19:10.45 | jelly-home | sid works deceptively well most of the time |
| 19:11.02 | RaceCondition | jelly-home: well I really can't make the decision of donwgrading |
| 19:11.10 | jpinx-eeepc | RaceCondition: you have been warned - and offered help out of your situation - we can't do more |
| 19:11.25 | RaceCondition | otherwise I would have switched to Ubuntu because of the good combination of support/stability and new versions of everything |
| 19:11.44 | jelly-home | yeah, they at least have paid support |
| 19:12.20 | RaceCondition | yeah |
| 19:13.32 | jpinx-eeepc | sends an invoice to RaceCondition ;) |
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| 19:19.17 | RaceCondition | jpinx-eeepc: for what amount? :P |
| 19:19.42 | jelly-home | about three fitty |
| 19:20.06 | RaceCondition | $3.50? |
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| 19:20.24 | jpinx-eeepc | nah - $350.00 |
| 19:20.30 | RaceCondition | oh, that much |
| 19:20.33 | racecar56 | is there a way to make debian look on the internet for time and ignore the BIOS clock? |
| 19:20.34 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
| 19:20.42 | racecar56 | before it starts fsck-ing |
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| 19:21.06 | jpinx-eeepc | racecar56: nptdata I think is the pkg you need |
| 19:21.21 | ZSerg | quit |
| 19:21.31 | racecar56 | :p |
| 19:21.46 | racecar56 | jpinx-eeepc: will that help make it ignore the bios clock and check internet time before it starts fsck-ing? |
| 19:22.19 | jpinx-eeepc | racecar56: not sure - read the docs |
| 19:22.24 | racecar56 | jpinx-eeepc: k |
| 19:22.25 | abrotman | why not replace the BIOS battery ? |
| 19:22.38 | racecar56 | holder is shot |
| 19:22.40 | racecar56 | :P |
| 19:22.48 | racecar56 | no place to put battery now |
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| 19:23.31 | jpinx-eeepc | weld it in there ;) |
| 19:24.02 | racecar56 | :P |
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| 19:25.11 | jpinx-eeepc | racecar56: seriously - a couple of short wires soldered to the old holder and taped to a battery |
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| 19:32.31 | Sogorukuhn | Hello |
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| 19:35.29 | racecar56 | hi |
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| 19:35.39 | Sogorukuhn | I need some help with my lenny server |
| 19:35.55 | cheako | Hello, I have a problem getting sudo to work as expected, this is nothing short of scary. |
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| 19:36.13 | cheako | nagios nyso=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d * start --, /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d * restart -- |
| 19:36.22 | cheako | This is the line I put into sudoers. |
| 19:36.27 | abrotman | Sogorukuhn: so ask your question |
| 19:36.51 | cheako | /usr/bin/sudo /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d gwc6 restart |
| 19:37.03 | cheako | [sudo] password for nagios: |
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| 19:37.08 | cheako | What an I doing wrong? |
| 19:37.41 | Sogorukuhn | I just created new container on my raid controler. now i want to make raiserfs on it, but I don't know wich drive that is in /dev/ |
| 19:38.10 | MAd_haTTer | Sogorukuhn: try dmesg |
| 19:38.25 | MAd_haTTer | rather, dmesg |less |
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| 19:38.42 | cheako | The scary part is that I'll test sudo up to the point where all the things I'd like to pass, pass. This leaves a great mystery in regards to things I'd like to fail, do they fail? |
| 19:38.58 | cheako | I'll brb. |
| 19:39.02 | MAd_haTTer | d(evice) m(es)sg(e) |
| 19:39.36 | Sogorukuhn | ok. thanks. is /dev/sdb =) |
| 19:39.39 | MAd_haTTer | cheako: what have you done to your nagios... |
| 19:39.49 | MAd_haTTer | Sogorukuhn: np |
| 19:40.13 | MAd_haTTer | cheako: did you install from a apt* / .deb? |
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| 19:42.03 | rgr | can someome please tell me what command the gnome lock screen applet runs? There is no mention in the man page of how to use gnome-screensaver from the command line to immediately lock the screen. |
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| 19:45.37 | cheako | MAd_haTTer: Shure? |
| 19:46.25 | cheako | MAd_haTTer: Does nogios drop privs -again?- when running event handlers? |
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| 19:46.40 | Sogorukuhn | another question. on this second container, should I create a primary or extended partition? |
| 19:46.48 | cheako | MAd_haTTer: Currently Nagios runs as user nagios. |
| 19:47.24 | cheako | MAd_haTTer: I'd like Nagios to restart gw6c(and perhaps other services) when there is a problem. |
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| 19:50.11 | distatica | Does this make sense to anyone? I put a dnsmasq reference (in hosts) of chat->10.0.0.109. From my computer I am able to ping chat, however opening http://chat:9090 in firefox fails, when http://10.0.0.109:9090 succeeds, any ideas on what could be happening? |
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| 19:50.22 | distatica | I'm trying to setup openfire on debian. |
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| 19:51.10 | cheako | distatica: what does dig/nslookup chat return? |
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| 19:51.27 | abrotman | distatica: maybe put a reference in your /etc/hosts |
| 19:51.34 | cheako | distatica: I'd suspect chat could resolve to 128.0.0.1(thus you can ping it.) |
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| 19:51.47 | cheako | distatica: I'd suspect chat could resolve to 127.0.0.1(thus you can ping it.) |
| 19:51.54 | cheako | err 127.0.0.1 ;) |
| 19:51.57 | distatica | chat. 0 IN A 10.0.0.108 |
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| 19:52.22 | cheako | distatica: daa, 10.0.0.109 != 10.0.0.108. |
| 19:52.34 | distatica | oh my .. |
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| 19:52.41 | abrotman | !pal distatica |
| 19:52.41 | dpkg | points at distatica and laughs hysterically |
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| 19:53.08 | distatica | this is what happens when you try to configure stuff at 6am after a long night heh |
| 19:53.13 | cheako | so any one help me with sudo? |
| 19:53.16 | sash_ | are there any known problems with icedove and kde? everytime i try to upload a file @ abload.de, iceweasel segfaults. i reinstalled, i started in safe-mode... it does not stop |
| 19:53.16 | distatica | ok, ok, I deserved that :) thanks folks |
| 19:53.57 | abrotman | sash_: icedove and iceweasel are different thing |
| 19:53.59 | abrotman | things |
| 19:54.23 | cheako | sash_: I'd suspect that ppl don't normally use browsers to upload things, so the feature you are trying to use is not vary well tested. |
| 19:54.49 | sash_ | abrotman: sry, meant iceweasel |
| 19:54.55 | sash_ | cheako: what is ppl? |
| 19:54.55 | cheako | sash_: try with filezilla instead. |
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| 19:55.04 | docmax | i need to start something as another user... how do i do it? su username command ?? |
| 19:55.43 | cheako | docmax: I have the same question. |
| 19:55.57 | distatica | su -c "command" username |
| 19:56.09 | sash_ | cheako: well, i didnt have this problem using awesome as wm and firefox (installed to /opt) 2 days before. i think, it has something to do with dolphin |
| 19:56.31 | docmax | distatica, thanks works! |
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| 19:56.39 | distatica | docmax, no problem :) |
| 19:56.51 | anz4rt | hello |
| 19:56.55 | cheako | sash_: As I said the feature is not vary well tested, you should file a bug and move on. |
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| 19:57.38 | docmax | another question: how can i disable exiting confirmation in gnome terminal? |
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| 19:58.52 | docmax | ok got it... thanks |
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| 20:01.24 | jelly-home | sash_: is your KDE configured to change the look of Gtk+ apps? Iceweasel is linked against Gtk+; if KDE is forcing gtk-qt-engine to be used for Gtk apps, that may cause instability. |
| 20:01.31 | cheako | nagios nyso=(root) NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d * start --, /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d * restart -- |
| 20:01.46 | cheako | any thing wrong with this sudoers line? |
| 20:02.14 | jelly-home | sash_: I found gtk-qt engine not to be very stable, esp. on amd64 installations |
| 20:02.27 | cheako | nagios nyso=NOPASSWD: (root) /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d * start --, /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d * restart -- |
| 20:02.32 | cheako | like that instead? |
| 20:03.20 | Piet | cheako: i don't think you can provide parameters to commands there |
| 20:03.20 | cheako | jelly-home: Nothing should be vary stable @64bin. |
| 20:03.41 | jelly-home | cheako: ? |
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| 20:05.10 | cheako | jelly-home: You should run your 64bin CPUs in 32bit mode. Unless you absolutely need to run large DB applications and in that case gtk is rather useless. |
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| 20:07.22 | Piet | cheako: i would not agree with such a broad statement. |
| 20:07.33 | jelly-home | cheako: nice troll |
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| 20:08.00 | cheako | bow. |
| 20:08.02 | buzzsaw | i am running into a problem with a box, i am trying to run it as a transparent bridge. i used bridge-utils to set up the bridge |
| 20:08.33 | jelly-home | if an app is buggy on different architectures, I consider that the app's fault, not the arch' |
| 20:08.36 | buzzsaw | created the bridge and added the two eth to the bridge then brought up the connections but no traffic seems to get through |
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| 20:09.06 | cheako | It would be nice to have a 64bit system with 32bit integers and a small usage of 64bit pointers, but this system does not exist ATM. |
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| 20:09.50 | cheako | I'll leave once I get this sudo line to work. |
| 20:10.24 | freaky[t] | how do i scroll to the bottom of a document in vim? |
| 20:10.41 | abrotman | :$ |
| 20:10.49 | abrotman | or ctrl-d |
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| 20:10.57 | freaky[t] | thanks :D |
| 20:11.28 | buzzsaw | or ctrl+g will get you there too |
| 20:11.29 | cheako | jelly-home: Unfortunately there are too many application developers that don't properly type there variables, as a matter of fact it's usually quite difficult to get the types correct during the initial application development. |
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| 20:16.40 | jelly-home | oh, I'm aware of the problem space. However Debian has chosen to use a pure x86_64 arch, with all the good and bad that it brings |
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| 20:17.26 | gunknown | one general question about linux binary compatibilities. When i compile on my 32-bit debian, will this binary also run on fedora, suse, ubuntu and on 64-bit distros? |
| 20:17.28 | jelly-home | some of my perl scripts eat up ~twice the memorry (from 1.5GB to 3GB) |
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| 20:18.36 | gunknown | i guess it does, but i want to proof it |
| 20:18.45 | jelly-home | gunknown: it depends on a number of issues; version of glibc and libraries linked against; destination distro 32bit support |
| 20:19.12 | jelly-home | Debian and Ubuntu don't have proper 32bit userspace support like RHEL/Fedora do |
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| 20:19.21 | sash_ | jelly-home: i use 32bit. i can repeat the problem making iceweasel opening any filemanager-things. |
| 20:19.38 | jelly-home | sash_: still in kde? |
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| 20:20.36 | sash_ | jelly-home: yes. you mean, i should try this thing in awesome? |
| 20:20.46 | jelly-home | sash_: yep |
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| 20:20.49 | sash_ | k |
| 20:21.26 | jelly-home | sash_: do other Gtk apps have KDE-configured colors? |
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| 20:21.54 | jelly-home | sash_: are there any .gtkrc* files in your $HOME? |
| 20:22.06 | sash_ | jelly-home: of course |
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| 20:22.36 | jelly-home | sash_: then you may or may not be victim of GTK Qt engine |
| 20:23.18 | sash_ | jelly-home: omfg. it really dies in awesome |
| 20:23.21 | sash_ | , too |
| 20:23.47 | jelly-home | sash_: move those .gtkrc-2.0 and other stuff away; try starting iceweasel again |
| 20:23.54 | sash_ | k... |
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| 20:24.56 | jelly-home | gtk apps will probably look a bit uglier |
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| 20:27.13 | sash_ | still dies with segfault... i removed .gtkrc-2.0 and .gtk-bookmarks |
| 20:27.22 | cheako | does ne1 know where I might find help with my sudo problem? |
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| 20:28.33 | jelly-home | sash_: ok, at least you know it's not the gtk engine's fault now |
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| 20:29.49 | sash_ | jelly-home: i am not really sure, i think. i still got .gtk-2.0extern and .gtk-2.0laptop, but they should not be used by any gtk-things |
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| 20:30.09 | sash_ | and... btw: what else |
| 20:30.13 | Jullyend | |
| 20:30.13 | Jullyend | someone already configured kerberos? |
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| 20:32.06 | sash_ | jelly-home: well, the app that would be started in awesome to show the files is pcmanfm, in kde it is dolphin. the one is gtk, th other qt. but why does it segfault in both? |
| 20:32.16 | sash_ | it == iceweasel? |
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| 20:37.16 | sash_ | jelly-home: btw: in konqueror, this does not happen. but konqueror is crap |
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| 20:38.52 | stockholm | hi |
| 20:39.02 | Hydroxide | waves at stockholm |
| 20:39.12 | Hydroxide | fancy seeing you here... |
| 20:39.24 | stockholm | i want to do a tar across an ssh connection, and untar on the other end. but i dont get it to work |
| 20:39.30 | stockholm | what is wrong about this: |
| 20:39.50 | stockholm | tar cfz - /var/lib/spotify-playlist3-i1/ | ssh meadow "tar xfzv - -C / > /root/i1.files" |
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| 20:41.56 | stockholm | Hydroxide: :-) |
| 20:42.00 | prince_jammys | the '-' is an option argument to the -f option. czf - |
| 20:42.13 | prince_jammys | same on the right |
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| 20:43.35 | Rastafari | Oh right , now I had done with the beginners manual ... |
| 20:43.47 | sash_ | jelly-home: no other ideas? |
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| 20:44.17 | Rastafari | That say the basic commands , how to manage accounts , how to manage networks , explanations about the X11 system |
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| 20:45.58 | stockholm | prince_jammys: no, the order of cfz or czf does not seem to matter. |
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| 20:46.30 | prince_jammys | the 'v' doesn't matter? |
| 20:46.49 | prince_jammys | you have v - |
| 20:47.00 | prince_jammys | probably just tar cz /var/foo | ssh meadow 'cd /root && tar xz > yourfile.tgz' |
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| 20:52.17 | stockholm | prince_jammys: no, that does not work either... doh |
| 20:52.36 | prince_jammys | yeah, just checked :) |
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| 20:54.28 | stockholm | http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-use-tar-command-through-network-over-ssh-session/ |
| 20:54.34 | sash_ | same problem, when i want do download something. |
| 20:54.36 | stockholm | what is he doing differnetly?! |
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| 20:55.24 | prince_jammys | stockholm: try tar cz /var/foo | ssh meadow 'cd /root && tar xzO > whatev.tgz' |
| 20:55.46 | jelly-home | stockholm: what are you trying to do? |
| 20:56.11 | jelly-home | sash_: no more ideas, alas |
| 20:56.19 | prince_jammys | err, s/tgz/files/ |
| 20:56.35 | prince_jammys | shuts up until more awake. |
| 20:56.56 | abrotman | do you become prince_pants then ? |
| 20:57.21 | prince_jammys | prince_kimono |
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| 20:57.36 | jelly-home | fancy |
| 20:57.45 | prince_jammys | anyway minus the '.tgz' shit, i think the above is right |
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| 21:00.23 | prince_jammys | e.g. tar cz /etc/X11/xorg.conf | (cd ~ && tar xzO > myxorg) # does similar to what i think he wants (via ssh) |
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| 21:00.38 | sash_ | jelly-home: well... then i will have to try opera, i think... |
| 21:00.55 | jelly-home | sash_: or firefox |
| 21:01.06 | jelly-home | the real thing |
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| 21:01.24 | sash_ | jelly-home: same problem |
| 21:01.39 | jelly-home | ah, then it's an upstream bug, so report it :-) |
| 21:01.41 | stockholm | now i got it right. the problem was that /var/lib/spotify-playlist3-i1/ was a symlink and it was not followed |
| 21:01.47 | stockholm | thanks! |
| 21:02.35 | sash_ | i had this problem on firefox in debian testing and went to debian unstable, to try it in iceweasel and teh problem was the same. doesnt matter if i down or upload and where i do this |
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| 21:05.17 | hark | sash_: don't know about what problem you're facing, but try with a new profile as well |
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| 21:09.34 | sash_ | hark: tried this. same problem |
| 21:10.02 | hark | what's the problem btw? |
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| 21:11.46 | sash_ | hark: firefox/iceweasel segfaults, when i try to up or download anything. anytime it has to open the filemanager, it dies. since i installed kde on my machine |
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| 21:14.50 | hark | sash_: hmm, a common cause for that is a corrupted downloads.sqlite, but if you've tried with a new profile, it shouldn't be the case. strace it? |
| 21:15.09 | cahoot | sash_: not something stupid like 'no space left'? |
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| 21:22.32 | sash_ | tried new profile, tried -safe-mode. it is just segfault. no message. but i need and want iceweasel. :( |
| 21:23.48 | hiwk | sash_: tried google chrome? |
| 21:23.58 | sash_ | hiwk: want some? :P |
| 21:24.41 | hiwk | sash_: :P |
| 21:25.33 | xsdg | sash_: get a stack trace: ulimit -c unlimited; iceweasel |
| 21:25.47 | xsdg | sash_: then crash it and look at the stack trace with gdb |
| 21:25.50 | S1kx | whats a good free alternative to virtualbox? |
| 21:25.54 | xsdg | sash_: you may want to install iceweasel-dbg first |
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| 21:28.11 | sash_ | cant it just be a known unstable/kde/iceweasel problem... omg |
| 21:28.30 | Josh__ | In debian, if I simply put an init script in /etc/init.d , is that enough to make it be ran at boot time? Or is there something else I must do? |
| 21:28.50 | MAd_haTTer | Josh__: update-rc.d |
| 21:28.52 | sash_ | why do i have a packetmanager when something like this can happen... |
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| 21:29.43 | cusco_ | hi! |
| 21:29.44 | Josh__ | MAd_haTTer, what options must I use if I want this to be ran after networking is started? |
| 21:29.49 | sash_ | i will wait until my dist-upgrade has finished and i have rebooted. then i will try stracing. |
| 21:29.52 | Josh__ | MAd_haTTer, or can I just use defaults? |
| 21:29.54 | cusco_ | does nano support syntax hilighting now????? |
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| 21:30.26 | MAd_haTTer | Josh__: |
| 21:30.38 | MAd_haTTer | do a ls -lh /etc/rc.2/ |
| 21:30.49 | MAd_haTTer | networking will be loike S20, |
| 21:30.59 | MAd_haTTer | use S21 if you want networking up first |
| 21:31.07 | slide | Im trying to make a daemon and im running start-stop-daemon but its saying "start-stop-daemon: stat deluged: No such file or directory (No such file or directory)" where is it searching? |
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| 21:39.08 | valdyn | slide: in the $PWD |
| 21:39.54 | chris__ | hi, i am trying to do a little speed test and write it to a log: dd if=/dev/zero bs=2 count=2 |netcat myIP myPort > test.log |
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| 21:40.11 | chris__ | but nothing got written to the log, anyone can help me here? |
| 21:40.40 | valdyn | chris__: how are you thinking a unilateral network connection would work? |
| 21:40.48 | SnakDoc | any of you ever test us celluar broadband cars ? also it possible to make it work with system with out a gui |
| 21:41.47 | chris__ | valdyn: its working dont worry the other end is set up and i got the output on the console, but its not written to my log file? |
| 21:42.54 | valdyn | chris__: write a few more signs |
| 21:43.09 | valdyn | chris__: this speed test as written would not test anything anyway |
| 21:43.25 | xsdg | chris__: you realize that netcat doesn't print anything on stdout, right? |
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| 21:44.02 | xsdg | chris__: and the stuff dd prints goes to stderr (since stdout is going to end up on the other machine) |
| 21:44.28 | valdyn | chris__: its not working as you may think its working |
| 21:44.35 | devin | how can you get the locational bar in nautilus besides hitting ctrl - l ? |
| 21:44.42 | chris__ | hmm i am confused i get the output of the connection speed on the console when i run it, but i dont know how i can write it to a log file, thats the problem |
| 21:45.08 | valdyn | chris__: writing 4 bytes you get a useful connection speed? |
| 21:45.18 | valdyn | chris__: if anything you get your os latency |
| 21:45.20 | chris__ | i mrean when i get the output on the console it should be possible to write it in a file or not? |
| 21:45.44 | chris__ | yeah sorry its bs=2M forgot the M |
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| 21:46.18 | valdyn | chris__: you want a log why? |
| 21:46.33 | chris__ | because i want to run it in cron |
| 21:46.37 | chris__ | for some time |
| 21:46.47 | valdyn | chris__: geez |
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| 21:47.06 | mrintegrity | lo dudes.. anyone familiar with debbootstrap here? |
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| 21:48.13 | valdyn | chris__: 2>&1 > test.log |
| 21:48.19 | mrintegrity | nm, works now :D |
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| 21:49.38 | valdyn | chris__: and / or look into "pv" |
| 21:50.12 | benedikt | devin: it's in the "view" menu |
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| 21:51.56 | devin | benedikt I'm not seeing it, and how come when I click on a directory it opens in a new window instead of a tab? |
| 21:52.55 | benedikt | devin: its the default behaviour for gnome 2.26 and 2.28 |
| 21:54.10 | devin | benedikt are you using squeeze? |
| 21:54.15 | benedikt | yes |
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| 21:57.34 | devin | benedikt i know its a known bug, but if you click on preferences in nautilus does it close? |
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| 22:00.26 | benedikt | devin: yes, that is a known bug. it has a quite extensive bug report. if you want to change the behaviour from opening new windows then you can do so with gconf-editor (check "always use browser"). I belive the bug report tells how excatly how to do this. |
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| 22:09.37 | chris__ | valdyn: thanks alot, its working now |
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| 22:10.11 | magni | anyone has an idea how to solve an rpc failure: 2 for nfs mounts? |
| 22:10.23 | magni | using voyage 0.6 based on lenny and ltsp |
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| 22:13.28 | valdyn | !based on debian |
| 22:13.28 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
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| 22:14.57 | iluminator101 | Hey Guys |
| 22:15.46 | magni | ok can you tell me if i can debian on alix? :) |
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| 22:16.14 | FreakGuard | how to debug a dpkg that doesn't take packages as authed? |
| 22:16.24 | FreakGuard | or rather: how to debug the packages |
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| 22:17.33 | Pendrag0n | Ok, I have a folder /home/ut3hax/backups with about 300 tar.gz files. Those files I want to extract all to /home/ut3hax/fix/HERE |
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| 22:18.04 | Pendrag0n | is there a way I can use like "find . -iname '*.tar.gz' | xargs tar xvzf TOPATH" |
| 22:18.07 | Pendrag0n | can I do something like that/ |
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| 22:20.10 | Pendrag0n | find . -iname '*.tar.gz' | xargs tar cvzf /home/ut3hax/fixingnow/ |
| 22:20.10 | Pendrag0n | tar: /home/ut3hax/fixingnow/: Cannot open: Is a directory tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now ./20090819-0010.tar.gz xargs: tar: terminated by signal 13 |
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| 22:24.09 | Elive_user0_en | help |
| 22:24.12 | Elive_user0_en | list only files with length equal to 5 |
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| 22:25.45 | devin | benedikt cool thanks just what I was looking for |
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| 22:26.25 | simonrvn | !ask |
| 22:26.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 22:26.28 | sash_ | well... strace iceweasel kills 99% of my X |
| 22:27.42 | Pendrag0n | Heh, I did just ask |
| 22:27.48 | Pendrag0n | nobody answered :-p |
| 22:27.56 | simonrvn | sash_: helpful to run large things like that with the output sent to a file (-o option) |
| 22:28.18 | magni | i got 2 system each same mountd version (1.1.2) but under rpcinfo one has version 1&2 the other 1,2&3 |
| 22:28.21 | simonrvn | Pendrag0n: not you, ms./mr. Elive_user0_en there |
| 22:28.36 | Elive_user0_en | how to list only files in a directory length 5? |
| 22:28.41 | Elive_user0_en | mr |
| 22:28.50 | sash_ | simonrvn: so strace iceweasel -o file.whatev? |
| 22:28.54 | simonrvn | magni: one's just using v3 and the other is using v2 nfs |
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| 22:29.08 | internat | Pendrag0n: find . -iname '*.tar.gz' | xargs tar cvzf {} /home/ut3hax/fixingnow/ |
| 22:29.13 | magni | yeah and who tells him to do? |
| 22:29.17 | simonrvn | sash_: that simple yes |
| 22:29.18 | ceildroid | anyone intimate with Lenny and networking, and patient enough to help a Droid IRCer? right now, i get Destination Host Unreachable even when i try to ping the router :( |
| 22:29.37 | chemist | evening, I am trying to upgrade from etchandahalf to lenny,and keep getting this message: |
| 22:29.54 | magni | kernel or the userspace mountd? |
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| 22:30.07 | abrotman | a droid ircer ? |
| 22:30.34 | simonrvn | magni: what tells it to do what? |
| 22:30.36 | chemist | http://pastebin.ca/1671579 |
| 22:30.42 | sash_ | simonrvn: still kills x |
| 22:30.43 | ceildroid | abrotman, using irc on my phone; no detailed pastes etc |
| 22:30.50 | abrotman | oh |
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| 22:31.30 | magni | simonrvn, only to talk nfs v2 if its same mountd version, nfs is running in 234 |
| 22:31.32 | simonrvn | sash_: well yeh, i don't know what's going on (you'll have to look at the file), but now at least you can see the result. |
| 22:32.18 | simonrvn | magni: ah ok, the client requests the version, depending on the capabilities of the server. this is pretty standard behaviour. |
| 22:32.34 | sash_ | simonrvn: doesnt exist. but i will have look, later. |
| 22:32.41 | simonrvn | magni: not just for nfs, but many other things too. |
| 22:32.54 | magni | ah ok because clients gehts rpc failed: 2 trying to nfs mount |
| 22:33.20 | simonrvn | sash_: it'll be whatever your pwd was when you ran the command ;) |
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| 22:34.02 | simonrvn | magni: check your syslog, and up the debug levels with rpcdebug |
| 22:34.04 | sash_ | simonrvn: im no neeb ;) |
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| 22:34.22 | simonrvn | ohmy! :P |
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| 22:34.45 | Pendrag0n | thanks internat |
| 22:35.08 | ceildroid | internet ftw |
| 22:35.27 | ceildroid | wish i could get it tp work on my pc >< |
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| 22:35.56 | ceildroid | ohh he said nat |
| 22:36.08 | ceildroid | still... :( |
| 22:36.09 | internat | did that work Pendrag0n? |
| 22:36.20 | Pendrag0n | yes, thank you |
| 22:36.23 | Pendrag0n | well it is still working |
| 22:36.24 | internat | awesome. |
| 22:36.29 | Pendrag0n | it will take about 30 minutes I think |
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| 22:36.52 | internat | good good. yeah you need to tell xargs where you want the input placed :) |
| 22:36.56 | Pendrag0n | then I have write a scrit that uses the file names a db names, and makes a db, one at a time, reads all rows, to reconstruct a master db from all the backups |
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| 22:37.29 | internat | good luck with that :) |
| 22:37.30 | SurfPay | Hi, Is there a MySQL package for linux debain? |
| 22:37.31 | Pendrag0n | cause the damn autocommit wasn't turned on in the code, so I've got 100 db's, with 4000000 records, and all of them have about 5,000 records different |
| 22:37.35 | xsdg | ceildroid: how many lines are there in `route -n`? |
| 22:37.35 | Pendrag0n | um, yes |
| 22:37.40 | Pendrag0n | SurfPay, yes |
| 22:37.46 | SurfPay | May I have a link? |
| 22:37.50 | Pendrag0n | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.57 | SurfPay | Yes. |
| 22:38.01 | internat | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 22:38.03 | Pendrag0n | apt-get MySQL-python or python-mysql |
| 22:38.09 | Pendrag0n | o eait |
| 22:38.11 | Pendrag0n | wait |
| 22:38.15 | Pendrag0n | I might have read his question wrong |
| 22:38.16 | SurfPay | I need it with ruby. |
| 22:38.18 | internat | and apt-get install mysql-client |
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| 22:38.26 | xsdg | SurfPay: apt-cache search (keywords) |
| 22:38.27 | simonrvn | xsdg: 12450 :P |
| 22:38.28 | Pendrag0n | o yeah, I read his question wrong |
| 22:38.35 | xsdg | SurfPay: so, in this case, `apt-cache search mysql ruby` |
| 22:38.42 | xsdg | simonrvn: :o) |
| 22:38.55 | simonrvn | LOL |
| 22:38.59 | EasyTUX | Eh, simple net question, how do I remove previous registered mac from eth0. ( What for ? : For example I wanna use 2 network pcmcia cards but not at the same time, although I'd like them to always be named/recognized as eth0.) Or just for qemu usage... eheh. |
| 22:39.00 | SurfPay | edward |
| 22:39.13 | edwardthefma | hi |
| 22:39.24 | chemist | anyone? |
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| 22:39.39 | simonrvn | anyone left before you got here |
| 22:39.43 | simonrvn | !seen anyone |
| 22:39.43 | dpkg | simonrvn: i haven't seen 'anyone' |
| 22:39.46 | ceildroid | xsdg, 3 incl. header; i already did route add default gw 192.168.15.1 |
| 22:39.50 | Pendrag0n | o wait, no that didn't work, the tar command |
| 22:39.56 | Pendrag0n | crap, where is it extracting them too |
| 22:40.02 | chemist | someone then? |
| 22:40.05 | chemist | :) |
| 22:40.10 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 22:40.15 | xsdg | chemist: your machine is out of disk space |
| 22:40.17 | simonrvn | sec |
| 22:40.22 | chemist | it's not |
| 22:40.23 | xsdg | failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko': No space left on device |
| 22:40.30 | xsdg | chemist: dpkg disagrees |
| 22:40.44 | xsdg | chemist: do you have multiple filesystems? |
| 22:40.49 | internat | Pendrag0n: y ou may need to play with xargs a bit, i might have missed an argument |
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| 22:41.04 | simonrvn | chemist: it's pretty obvious what the problem is: |
| 22:41.06 | Pendrag0n | well the tar dir ended up with a file called {} |
| 22:41.07 | simonrvn | /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/iwlwifi/iwl3945.ko': No space left on device |
| 22:41.11 | Pendrag0n | and the fixingnow dir is empty |
| 22:41.18 | Pendrag0n | I don't know where it is extracting to |
| 22:41.19 | simonrvn | chemist: check df -h |
| 22:41.19 | chemist | http://pastebin.ca/1671591 |
| 22:41.19 | Pendrag0n | hmm |
| 22:41.28 | chemist | that is my df-h |
| 22:41.42 | xsdg | chemist: your root is both tiny and full |
| 22:41.59 | simonrvn | indeed |
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| 22:42.17 | xsdg | chemist: you may want to put /lib on a separate filesystem |
| 22:42.21 | internat | sorry Pendrag0n, it should be.. find . -iname '*.tar.gz' | xargs -n1 -I {} tar cvzf {} /home/ut3hax/fixingnow/ |
| 22:42.41 | chemist | goes to resize |
| 22:42.45 | Pendrag0n | ok, but damn I wish I knew where it extracted all 150 tars to |
| 22:42.53 | xsdg | ceildroid: ok, sorry for the delay |
| 22:43.07 | xsdg | ceildroid: what are the IPs of your machine and of your gateway? |
| 22:43.32 | simonrvn | xsdg: uh, not /lib |
| 22:43.36 | Pendrag0n | o, internat: no, tar xvzf, not cvzf, you put compress, not extract.... |
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| 22:43.50 | simonrvn | create |
| 22:44.06 | internat | haha |
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| 22:44.10 | internat | i just copied your orignal line |
| 22:44.12 | simonrvn | compress is j or x |
| 22:44.18 | ceildroid | np, loading a bowl anyway. machine is .15.103 and gateway (router, yeh?) is .15.1 |
| 22:44.19 | internat | 08:20] <Pendrag0n> find . -iname '*.tar.gz' | xargs tar cvzf /home/ut3hax/fixingnow/ |
| 22:44.27 | chemist | sometimes it's amazing what a fresh set of eyes can see |
| 22:44.30 | chemist | thanks all |
| 22:44.32 | magni | ok rpcdebug on nfs nfsd and rpc to all is silent while client is spamming rpc failed: 2 tcpdump shows communication to port 111 on server |
| 22:44.36 | magni | simonrvn, |
| 22:44.39 | xsdg | simonrvn: I'm now confused. modules go in /lib/modules/... |
| 22:44.42 | simonrvn | (or do it separately, or with more explicit options) |
| 22:45.00 | ceildroid | xsdg, np, loading a bowl anyway. machine is .15.103 and gateway (router, yeh?) is .15.1 |
| 22:45.01 | internat | c's create |
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| 22:45.30 | simonrvn | xsdg: you said 'put /lib is a separate partition' i don't think that's a good idea. be better if chemist could expand their / |
| 22:45.32 | Pendrag0n | no, not that either |
| 22:45.34 | Pendrag0n | hmmm |
| 22:45.38 | simonrvn | in a* |
| 22:45.44 | Pendrag0n | that tres to extract the destination dir |
| 22:45.52 | xsdg | simonrvn: aah, sure |
| 22:46.22 | simonrvn | magni: is the server end receiving/replying? |
| 22:46.26 | Pendrag0n | jmm I've gotta go eat dinner |
| 22:46.29 | internat | did you fix it with the new line i gave you? |
| 22:46.30 | Pendrag0n | but I need to know how to do this |
| 22:46.36 | magni | simonrvn, yep from port 111 |
| 22:46.36 | Pendrag0n | bbl |
| 22:46.42 | internat | find . -iname '*.tar.gz' | xargs -n1 -I {} tar xvzf {} /home/ut3hax/fixingnow/ |
| 22:47.08 | simonrvn | magni: what's the kernel version on the client(s)? |
| 22:47.30 | simonrvn | magni: there was an issue with nfs not so long ago. |
| 22:47.34 | chemist | simonrvn: I have |
| 22:47.42 | xsdg | ceildroid: try running tcpdump (specifically, `tcpdump -n`) in another terminal. My guess (out of the blue) is that your machine is configured reasonably, but the router isn't |
| 22:47.43 | chemist | expanded it that is |
| 22:47.47 | chemist | I love lvm |
| 22:47.52 | xsdg | ceildroid: especially if you can't ping it |
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| 22:48.06 | simonrvn | chemist: good, should be ok then ;). lvm rocks :) |
| 22:48.12 | Rusty1 | i tried to instal flashplayer 10 deb from adobe http://pastebin.com/d4383004e |
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| 22:48.23 | magni | simonrvn, client 2.6.26-2-486 server 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 22:48.25 | abrotman | emma: better ? |
| 22:48.41 | chemist | now to reboot into my new kernel :) |
| 22:48.43 | emma | Yes thanks. |
| 22:48.48 | simonrvn | magni: they should be ok |
| 22:49.11 | Rusty1 | can't seem to get apt/dpkg working now |
| 22:49.14 | simonrvn | magni: were they working before this happened? |
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| 22:49.50 | magni | new systems |
| 22:50.58 | devin | wheres /etc/X11/xorg.conf just installed squeeze need to install my nvidia drivers |
| 22:52.08 | xsdg | devin: it probably doesn't exist by default (since many recent systems can autodetect everything just fine) |
| 22:52.36 | simonrvn | magni: hm, try using tcp instead of udp, and force version 3. might also want to give the nfs-kernel-server init script a quick restart, and check portmap there too (FIRST).. |
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| 22:53.09 | dashaebig | hello. can anyone pls do me a favor and paste the output of "nmap shiznix.dyndns.org" somehwere? i need to check if my ports are properly filtered. |
| 22:53.11 | magni | i just removed no nfs 3 from mountd in initscript and killed the alix with too much logs *g* |
| 22:53.23 | simonrvn | magni: thoughly frankly i don't see why it should be doing that, if all the bits are ok. |
| 22:53.30 | simonrvn | hehe ;) |
| 22:53.36 | magni | that fucking bastards |
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| 22:53.45 | ceildroid | xsdg, command not found, and no apt-get to rectify :( |
| 22:53.54 | magni | they added a check for nfs 3 or not for mountd |
| 22:54.01 | magni | and messed it up |
| 22:54.03 | magni | its running |
| 22:54.09 | simonrvn | cool |
| 22:54.13 | magni | and sorry for supporting debian based :P |
| 22:54.25 | magni | thx thx thx simonrvn 2 days done 11 |
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| 22:54.40 | simonrvn | np |
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| 22:55.09 | simonrvn | dashaebig: you have ssh and http open, and some other ports marked filtered |
| 22:55.25 | dashaebig | hm ok |
| 22:55.35 | xsdg | ceildroid: aah, that's no good. the one thing I would check is if you have any firewall rules enabled |
| 22:55.36 | dashaebig | filtered means they're closed, right? |
| 22:55.56 | simonrvn | 111, 135, 139, 445, and 1900 are the latter |
| 22:56.07 | dashaebig | 1900? hmm |
| 22:56.13 | dashaebig | i knew of 111, 139 and 445 |
| 22:56.14 | xsdg | dashaebig: filtered means firewalled |
| 22:56.18 | dashaebig | hm ok |
| 22:56.21 | simonrvn | means that something is filtering/blocking them in some way |
| 22:56.24 | xsdg | dashaebig: (but not accessible) |
| 22:56.26 | chemist | is now running lenny |
| 22:56.37 | dashaebig | i just used iptables -A IPUUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport <whatever> -j DROP |
| 22:56.48 | simonrvn | they're blocked |
| 22:56.49 | xsdg | dashaebig: yeah, exactly |
| 22:56.51 | dashaebig | *INPUT |
| 22:56.54 | dashaebig | i also used |
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| 22:56.58 | xsdg | dashaebig: instead of DROP, you probably want REJECT though |
| 22:57.07 | dashaebig | iptables -A FORWARD -o eth0 p tcp etc. |
| 22:57.15 | dashaebig | xsdg: why would i want reject instead of drop? |
| 22:57.37 | simonrvn | REJECT is useful for one-off scans, but repeated requests could produce ICMP storms |
| 22:57.54 | simonrvn | combining it with a limit would be more useful |
| 22:58.00 | xsdg | dashaebig: if someone sends a packet and you don't respond with an RST, it's obvious that it's firewalled |
| 22:58.18 | xsdg | dashaebig: if you _do_ send an RST, then it's indistinguishable from a port that's not being firewalled |
| 22:58.30 | simonrvn | which is why ^^^ nmap responded with filtered |
| 22:58.44 | dashaebig | i dont even know what an RST is |
| 22:58.52 | simonrvn | (^^^ what xsdg said) |
| 22:58.54 | xsdg | dashaebig: it's part of the TCP protocol |
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| 22:59.02 | simonrvn | reset |
| 22:59.03 | dashaebig | ah ok |
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| 22:59.09 | dashaebig | i don't know too much about this |
| 22:59.23 | dashaebig | is there a way that the ports dont even show up at all? i.e. if anyone does an nmap, they're not shown as filtered? |
| 22:59.23 | xsdg | dashaebig: the wikipedia page for TCP is a good place to start |
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| 22:59.38 | xsdg | dashaebig: use REJECT instead of DROP |
| 22:59.46 | xsdg | dashaebig: but again, you should do some reading |
| 22:59.47 | simonrvn | meh. xfce4-panel keeps crashing... brb, restarting my x session |
| 22:59.48 | dashaebig | xsdg: yeah probably, but i'm currently having the swine flu (no shit) and i cant really concentrate lol |
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| 23:00.04 | xsdg | dashaebig: maybe you should save this project for later then? |
| 23:00.11 | dashaebig | maybe i should |
| 23:00.21 | dashaebig | but you're saying that i should definitely prefer reject over drop? |
| 23:00.40 | dashaebig | it's just a home-computer anyway... so security is not that big of an issue |
| 23:00.43 | xsdg | dashaebig: for something like this, I'd definitely suggest REJECT over DROP |
| 23:00.51 | dashaebig | hm ok |
| 23:01.11 | dashaebig | but either way, the ports show up as filtered, right? |
| 23:01.11 | xsdg | dashaebig: as simonrvn mentioned, there are times when you do want DROP, but that's generally to reduce traffic rather than simply prevent access |
| 23:01.16 | xsdg | dashaebig: no |
| 23:01.29 | dashaebig | hmm |
| 23:01.44 | xsdg | dashaebig: REJECT will look like a closed port. DROP will look like a firewalled port |
| 23:02.20 | dashaebig | xsdg: could you pls run nmap shiznix.dyndns.org again? |
| 23:02.28 | dashaebig | i just replaced DROP With RJECT |
| 23:02.33 | dashaebig | and did an iptables -F prior to that |
| 23:02.57 | dashaebig | i'm just wondering what nmap says now |
| 23:03.46 | simonrvn | dashaebig: doing.. |
| 23:04.08 | ceildroid | wish someone could nmap me :x |
| 23:04.21 | dashaebig | lol gief ip address and i'll do it |
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| 23:04.31 | xsdg | ceildroid: you're NATted, undoubtedly |
| 23:04.31 | MAdhaTTe1 | hey can someone nmap 4.2.2.2 ? |
| 23:04.31 | dashaebig | i should nmap my girlfriend |
| 23:04.38 | simonrvn | dashaebig: 22 open, and 2 ports filtered (135, 1900) |
| 23:04.46 | dashaebig | simonrvn: cool |
| 23:04.55 | dashaebig | thx very much |
| 23:05.01 | MAdhaTTe1 | ditto! |
| 23:05.03 | ceildroid | thinkin' i'll just install deb again, this time +web instead of starting barebones :x |
| 23:05.06 | MAdhaTTe1 | lmfao.. |
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| 23:05.26 | ceildroid | xsdg, well my moron stepdad cant v |
| 23:05.43 | xsdg | ceildroid: can't (what?) |
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| 23:05.55 | ceildroid | even remember the pw to the router, never mind how to set it up properly |
| 23:06.37 | ceildroid | sorry, still getting used to mah new phone. del is right above return :x |
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| 23:07.12 | simonrvn | MAdhaTTe1: no |
| 23:07.23 | xsdg | ceildroid: ::nod:: |
| 23:07.31 | jetscreamer | that would be the moron paying your bills maybe |
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| 23:08.46 | ceildroid | jetscreamer, now that he finally got a job, yeh |
| 23:08.56 | dashaebig | well anyway, thx very much for your assistance guys |
| 23:08.58 | dashaebig | haev a nice day |
| 23:08.59 | dashaebig | bb |
| 23:10.15 | MAdhaTTe1 | simonrvn: you do realize xsdg is from MIT and you scanned some IP in CH ;) |
| 23:10.58 | abrotman | his host is at MIT |
| 23:11.27 | MAdhaTTe1 | yeah and that ie because he lives in a different contry |
| 23:11.31 | MAdhaTTe1 | heh |
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| 23:14.18 | djkm | i want to limit files that uploaded via ftp to the server. that files are *.wav *.ogg *.mp3. it is pure-ftp server... |
| 23:14.21 | djkm | how can i do that |
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| 23:15.12 | massmc | how do I nohap irssi in shell? |
| 23:15.30 | massmc | tried everything.. |
| 23:16.02 | abrotman | use screen |
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| 23:18.25 | gribozavr | packages.debian.org answering over ipv6 to anyone? |
| 23:20.04 | icebrain | djkm: I don't know, but you can try this approach: http://blog.unixy.net/2009/07/ban-file-extensions-using-pure-ftpd/ |
| 23:20.16 | icebrain | djkm: again, not sure it's the best method |
| 23:21.02 | Josh__ | Is there a way I can scp a directory? |
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| 23:21.09 | Josh__ | instead of a single file.. |
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| 23:22.02 | Xenguy | -R <-- recursive |
| 23:22.14 | djkm | icebrain: thanks man good tutorial |
| 23:22.16 | Josh__ | scp: illegal option -- R |
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| 23:22.42 | icebrain | -R is actually to forward ports |
| 23:22.42 | Xenguy | -r? |
| 23:22.47 | Rusty1 | http://amath.colorado.edu/computing/software/man/scp.html has some examples Josh__ |
| 23:23.20 | Snadder | http://pastebin.ca/1671616 <-- Can anyone help me find out what this multipath -ll output means? |
| 23:23.43 | icebrain | Xenguy: yeah, -r seems right, at least according to it's man |
| 23:23.52 | icebrain | *its |
| 23:24.02 | Josh__ | icebrain, it's working at least |
| 23:24.40 | Snadder | Does it mean I have one or two fibers active? |
| 23:25.04 | Snadder | and what is the prio parameter for? |
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| 23:31.48 | valdyn | devin: you need to use nvidia drivers from sid |
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| 23:38.26 | devin | valdyn well I tired installing from synaptic but it wanted to remove basically all my xorg files |
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| 23:40.19 | xzaz_ | Hi im searching floppy's to install Debian, so not the Floppy to boot debian installer and install it trought network but complete Debian on floppy's |
| 23:41.04 | valdyn | xzaz_: with 100 floppies? |
| 23:41.26 | xzaz_ | Is it 144 MB? |
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| 23:42.42 | xzaz_ | well i got NO Network card and NO CD, i got one USB port |
| 23:42.45 | xzaz_ | So maby thats a way |
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| 23:43.22 | zinx | man, why do so many people come in asking to install on such neutered systems |
| 23:43.40 | internat | cause its the linux way ;) |
| 23:43.47 | valdyn | xzaz_: whats a computer good for with only those interfaces? |
| 23:43.47 | zinx | xzaz_: the install guide or download section has a section on installing from USB devices, i think |
| 23:44.30 | xzaz_ | Its a pritty old laptop |
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| 23:44.44 | paosihfggj | What's the standard directory for storing user configuration files for locally installed games? |
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| 23:45.01 | azeem | paosihfggj: there's none, AFAIK |
| 23:45.07 | valdyn | paosihfggj: user config is always at $HOME |
| 23:45.09 | Psi-Jack | Is there a newer available version of dovecot than what's available in Debian Lenny as-is? |
| 23:45.10 | azeem | maybe ~/.config |
| 23:45.14 | paosihfggj | azeem: Not even ~/.local/? |
| 23:45.15 | xzaz_ | hahaha WAIIITTT |
| 23:45.17 | xzaz_ | XD |
| 23:45.21 | Psi-Jack | Without going squeeze/sid? |
| 23:45.32 | azeem | Psi-Jack: check backports.org |
| 23:45.42 | valdyn | paosihfggj: why do you think it makes *any* difference if its a game or an application? |
| 23:45.55 | puff | Hm, I'm setting up a new install on a hosted image. The hosting service already did a basic debian install. How do I check which releaes it is? There's no lsb_release, /etc/debian says "4.0", and uname -a says linux 2.6.18 |
| 23:46.19 | paosihfggj | valdyn: My question can be generalised to locally installed applications too, I guess. |
| 23:46.27 | paosihfggj | valdyn: Fine, I'll save them in ~/.gamename |
| 23:46.32 | puff | paosihfggj: Generally spaeking it's in /home/username/.something, often .somethingrc. |
| 23:46.36 | valdyn | paosihfggj: thats ok |
| 23:46.48 | abrotman | paosihfggj: or ~/.config/gamename/ |
| 23:46.50 | Psi-Jack | azeem: Okay, cool. There is. Now, next question is, how do I properly add the lenny-backports apt-source? |
| 23:47.02 | paosihfggj | abrotman: Would either be more convenient? |
| 23:47.03 | azeem | Psi-Jack: read the documentation there |
| 23:47.14 | azeem | or /msg dpkg backports.org or something |
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| 23:47.21 | puff | Hm, I guess I could liook in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 23:48.05 | abrotman | paosihfggj: depends .. putting it under .config/ if others followed the same convention would put all your settings under one .dir/ .. |
| 23:48.22 | puff | So, I'm on etch. My sources.list has a single line: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian etch main |
| 23:48.26 | puff | Should I add any other repos? |
| 23:48.40 | paosihfggj | abrotman: Is that necessarily a good thing, though? |
| 23:48.43 | amfwrk | Seems as though menu generation from a lenny->squeeze upgrade didn't go well. Is there a way to do it from the command line? |
| 23:49.09 | puff | paosihfggj: Oh, also there are some projects out there, like gnome, or mozilla, that tend to have sub-projects group their config files under, say, ~/.mozilla |
| 23:49.12 | azeem | ~/.config is the freedesktop.org standard AIUI |
| 23:49.12 | apt | okay, azeem |
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| 23:49.15 | jpinx-eeepc | puff: you should really have security |
| 23:49.18 | valdyn | paosihfggj: ~/.* is config, doesnt make a big difference where exactly in that pattern |
| 23:49.18 | azeem | apt: pfft |
| 23:49.19 | apt | somebody said pfft was made the many people non-farfeched me no the item. |
| 23:49.31 | azeem | apt: forget ~/.config |
| 23:49.31 | apt | i didn't have anything called '~/.config' to forget, azeem |
| 23:49.37 | puff | paosihfggj: So if your app has a close association with some existing project, you may want to do that. |
| 23:50.31 | puff | Is there a more authoritative/standard way to determine what debian release you're on, other than lookng in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 23:50.52 | paosihfggj | Thanks, bye. |
| 23:50.53 | valdyn | puff: theres no way |
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| 23:51.00 | jpinx-eeepc | puff uname -a |
| 23:51.06 | valdyn | puff: theres only hints |
| 23:51.25 | valdyn | puff: libc6 version, contents of /etc/debian_version, kernel version etc. |
| 23:51.41 | puff | Geez. |
| 23:52.09 | valdyn | puff: versions are not atomic, its a mixed system if your previous admin was being ignorant |
| 23:52.18 | azeem | maybe lsb_release -c |
| 23:52.41 | puff | There's no lsb_release on this box. |
| 23:52.44 | jpinx-eeepc | puff do a update and safe-upgrade and then whatever your sources.list says is what you have |
| 23:52.57 | puff | safe-upgrade? |
| 23:53.10 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: except that it isnt |
| 23:53.15 | jpinx-eeepc | puff man aptitude |
| 23:53.23 | puff | Is that some variation on dist-upgrade? |
| 23:54.00 | valdyn | puff: what are you actually trying to solve? |
| 23:54.05 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: how can you not be on what your sources/list says after you successfully done the upgade? |
| 23:54.10 | neoice | is there a way to enable selinux without rebooting> |
| 23:54.26 | puff | valdyn: Migrating from an old box to anew box. |
| 23:54.29 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: by having higher version packages than source.list suggests |
| 23:54.54 | valdyn | puff: without any upgrades to packages? |
| 23:55.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell puff about etch->lenny |
| 23:55.26 | puff | valdyn: Well, not really. |
| 23:55.50 | puff | valdyn: The old box has some broken libs and some dependency gridlock, so I figure this is a good time to clean house, rebuild it from scratch, since I have to switch hardware anyway. |
| 23:56.08 | valdyn | puff: see if "apt-get -f install" can fix depends |
| 23:56.21 | valdyn | puff: if it cannot then you probably have a mixed release |
| 23:56.57 | valdyn | puff: in which case you might want to examine packages closer and might conider doing what dpkg told you about etch->lenny |
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| 23:58.01 | puff | valdyn: As I said, I have to move from the old site and hardware to the new hardware, so why not just install stuff from scratch and migrate the data over? |
| 23:58.14 | valdyn | puff: go ahead |
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| 23:58.51 | valdyn | puff: be ready for surprises though if you predecessor didnt document his mess |
| 23:58.55 | puff | valdyn: Heh. |
| 23:59.01 | puff | valdyn: This box is something of a zoo, so. |
| 23:59.04 | jpinx-eeepc | puff: copy the output of dpkg -l to let you know what is in there to be installed on the new system |
| 23:59.08 | puff | valdyn: It's a playground box. |
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