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| 00:00.13 | hehe | that was example from netstat -nlp , which shows that something listens on that IP on port 123, but that's not related to deamon I'm trying to run in any way |
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| 00:00.53 | MrDOS | Hi... I'm trying to install Debian (5.0) on a RAID, but I don't see an option in the installer to create one. Do I have to install to one disk and set up the RAID post-install? |
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| 00:01.30 | markybob | MrDOS, no, you read the install guide, which clearly states how to do it during install |
| 00:01.58 | boooze | it turned out it was a problem with apt-get cache...one just need to clear pkgcache.bin and srcpackage.bin....it wasn't ubuntu or virtualbox related...that means it can happen to any apt-get user...and that markybob is a complete idiot, offending and wasting people time with his no-one gives a fuck religion wars |
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| 00:02.22 | markybob | boooze, nope, still dont care |
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| 00:02.41 | boooze | it doesnt change the fact that you are a total idiot |
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| 00:03.03 | MrDOS | markybob: ah, right |
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| 00:03.34 | MrDOS | markybob: except, "software RAID" isn't a "Use as:" option |
| 00:04.19 | MrDOS | markybob: oh wait... my bad; it was labeled differently from what I was expecting |
| 00:04.26 | hehe | solved, nevermind, sorry |
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| 00:11.55 | narayan44 | hey, I need help with an external USB hard drive |
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| 00:13.58 | DeSian | i have 3 linux machine, and have subdomain by dyndns,com and use this machine as webserver, but if start another PC the domain worked with the another PC too, i will use just this machine, how can i done that? |
| 00:14.21 | slope_ | narayan44: no one can help you unless you explain the problem |
| 00:14.26 | neoice_ | the autopartition that splits everything up, it makes /, /home, /usr and /var, right? |
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| 00:18.43 | pobega | DeSian: Not to be rude, but can you ... uh, explain your problem in a coherent manner? |
| 00:19.30 | DeSian | pobega, i want to use this machine for my webserver not every machine in my house |
| 00:19.59 | narayan44 | I got an external usb hd that won't mount on startup, checked fstab everything is good |
| 00:20.01 | pobega | DeSian: So if you have your router port forward to the machine you want as a webserver, all should be fine no? |
| 00:20.02 | Titan8990 | DeSian, you set up port forwarding on 80/443 only to the box that functions as the web server |
| 00:20.16 | Titan8990 | DeSian, assuming you have a single IP address and a gateway performing NAT |
| 00:20.39 | DogBoy | and assuming ssl is on the same box |
| 00:20.41 | narayan44 | I have to set pass to 0 to get the thing to finish booting unassisted |
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| 00:22.11 | DeSian | pobega, yes i have static ip and one router for 3 machine and in nat is portforwarding to 80, but how can i just use this machine port not another machine |
| 00:22.34 | DeSian | Titan8990, how can i setup it in router ? |
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| 00:22.58 | Titan8990 | DeSian, it sounds like you have it set up properly already, what seems to be the problem? |
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| 00:23.35 | nvz | yo |
| 00:23.54 | DeSian | Titan8990, yes is forwarding and worked, but if turn off this machine then display me the laptop /var/www content as webserver |
| 00:24.07 | markybob | DeSian, maybe you should try #debian-it ...i think there's a language problem. you're not making much sense |
| 00:24.45 | DogBoy | I get what he wants to do |
| 00:24.52 | DeSian | you make no sense already, let another one to help me and be mute please |
| 00:25.01 | Titan8990 | DeSian, thats odd, but that is going to be an issue with a router, not the configuration your webserver |
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| 00:25.44 | DogBoy | he wants to serve content from a different machine if the primary is not available |
| 00:25.57 | DeSian | correct |
| 00:26.41 | Titan8990 | oh, i thought the opposite was going on... |
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| 00:27.48 | kermit | why are access times resetting themselves? (xfs/2.6.28) |
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| 00:28.53 | Titan8990 | DeSian, does your router have a load balances capabilities? |
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| 00:30.03 | Titan8990 | kermit, noatime mount option? |
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| 00:30.44 | kermit | Titan8990: no.. and it updates the atimes, it just never makes it to disk.. it forgets them when they're out of the cache or its unmounted |
| 00:30.48 | markybob | too bad i was told to be quiet...cuz there's an easy way to do this :P |
| 00:30.56 | narayan44 | I gotta question, sometimes when there is an error at start up there is a prompt for the root password to enter diagnostic mode, or hit control d to continue booting |
| 00:31.05 | narayan44 | how do I set it to ignore this and always boot |
| 00:31.18 | kermit | Titan8990: i even tried explicitly adding the 'atime' option, its still doing it |
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| 00:31.27 | narayan44 | cause this box runs headless, and I can't fix shit until the network drivers and sshd start |
| 00:31.36 | DeSian | Titan8990, waht you mean with load balance? |
| 00:31.41 | Titan8990 | markybob, i would like to hear |
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| 00:31.49 | markybob | titan8990 simply create a script that runs on shutdown which updates dyndns to use the other box. the end. |
| 00:32.22 | Titan8990 | narayan44, are you booting to single user mode? |
| 00:32.22 | DogBoy | good idea but they're both on the same lan |
| 00:33.17 | Titan8990 | DogBoy, vlans? |
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| 00:33.45 | narayan44 | no |
| 00:33.55 | narayan44 | its pretty much a default debian 5.0 with grub |
| 00:33.59 | narayan44 | on reiser fs |
| 00:34.04 | narayan44 | runs multi-user |
| 00:34.07 | Titan8990 | DogBoy, oh, you were talking about marky's... yeah |
| 00:34.39 | markybob | DogBoy, doesnt matter. you can have dyndns set up to use different ports. one port goes to one ip, the other goes to another ip (in the same lan). the update process tells it which one |
| 00:34.40 | narayan44 | I need the thing to get sshd on the network no matter what |
| 00:34.42 | Titan8990 | narayan44, and its booting when you continue? not dropping you into busybox? |
| 00:34.45 | markybob | Titan8990, ^ |
| 00:34.58 | narayan44 | I need to hit control-d to continue |
| 00:35.08 | narayan44 | its usually some shit like hard disk not fsck'ing correctly |
| 00:35.24 | narayan44 | and it stops the boot sequence |
| 00:35.27 | DogBoy | not sure what you mean by that markybob |
| 00:35.39 | Titan8990 | narayan44, do you get an error? |
| 00:35.45 | DogBoy | how that translates into the user getting to http://example.com/ |
| 00:35.55 | DogBoy | regardless of which box is up |
| 00:35.57 | narayan44 | yeah |
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| 00:36.16 | markybob | DogBoy, example.com gets forwarded to ipfoo:port#. doesnt have to be port 80 |
| 00:36.37 | kermit | huh, its that attr2 option the kernel is sneaking in there on me thats breaking the atimes with xfs |
| 00:36.38 | narayan44 | it says fsck craps out with an error code of 8, and it goes to enter single user matenice mode and asks for the root password |
| 00:36.38 | DogBoy | yea but that's a half ass solution |
| 00:36.38 | markybob | DogBoy, and the router has port 81 always go to one ip, and port 82 go to another. when you update dyndns, you tell it which port |
| 00:36.47 | markybob | DogBoy, name another |
| 00:36.53 | narayan44 | and tells me I can by pass that by hitting control d |
| 00:37.00 | narayan44 | I don't have the exact error message |
| 00:37.04 | DogBoy | I know and have done another one actually |
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| 00:37.10 | DogBoy | but it's not really a debian topic |
| 00:37.25 | markybob | righty |
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| 00:38.42 | DogBoy | what kind of router do you have DeSian |
| 00:39.13 | DogBoy | it was a good suggestion though markybob |
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| 00:40.00 | DeSian | DogBoy, zyxel P-2602HW-D1A |
| 00:41.16 | DogBoy | anyway, I was running pound on an nslu2 |
| 00:41.38 | DogBoy | it would direct traffic to two different machines depending on domain |
| 00:41.54 | DogBoy | you could do the same thing in load balancing mode |
| 00:42.22 | DogBoy | but it requires another machine if you can't do it on the router |
| 00:42.47 | DogBoy | albeit a little pos machine |
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| 00:46.11 | pl4yer0ne | Has anyone else had problems doing a netinst of 5.03 into vmware? |
| 00:46.30 | pl4yer0ne | specifically not being able to get any of the mirrors to work |
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| 00:49.55 | ^] | pl4yer0ne: does networking setup in vmware work ? |
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| 00:50.25 | darkblue_B | hi all- I came home just now to find my almost brand-new debian 5 install machine unresponsive.. this hardware is a run of the mill Acer AMD tower, which I had no problems with previously.. looking in /var/log/kern.log I see "Nautilus tainted".. "rsyslogd tainted".. "postgres tainted".. "hald-addon-store tainted" and "cron tainted".. then out of memory (4 GB?!) and killing a bunch of postgres processes.. any ideas on what is going on ? |
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| 00:51.06 | pl4yer0ne | yeah like can ping and stuff, tcpdump sees acks coming in. just cant seem to actually get it to find the release file |
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| 00:51.48 | DogBoy | what are you using for a mirror pl4yer0ne |
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| 00:53.22 | pl4yer0ne | DogBoy: It doesnt seem to matter, I have been using local mirrors from the list which I can acess manually, but a manually entered mirror not in the list does the same thing. hangs on scanning the mirror or downloading the release file |
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| 00:54.14 | pl4yer0ne | recreated the VM just to make sure the hardware side is ok, same prob. |
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| 00:55.36 | markybob | pl4yer0ne, is it a dns problem? can you ping google.com ? |
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| 00:56.28 | darkblue_B | now .. after restart.. I get "There was an error setting the GNOME settings daemon .. the settings daemon restarted too many times" |
| 00:56.29 | darkblue_B | this seems unlucky |
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| 00:58.14 | pl4yer0ne | the installer doesnt have ping AFAIK |
| 00:58.36 | markybob | <pl4yer0ne> yeah like can ping and stuff, tcpdump sees acks coming in. |
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| 00:59.20 | pl4yer0ne | sorry can ping TO the vm |
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| 01:00.03 | pl4yer0ne | using nc to try to connect to a named host www.google.com resolves the name |
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| 01:05.49 | pl4yer0ne | anyway doesnt seem to be a common problem so I imagine its a local issue. |
| 01:05.55 | ex-parrot | can someone suggest a method for removing all of the effects of installing the "standard desktop" task? I've removed all of the packages that it consists of with aptitude, but various dependencies remain like dbus, hal, network-manager etc |
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| 01:06.42 | oggei | ex-parrot: try debfoster |
| 01:07.21 | ex-parrot | thanks oggei |
| 01:07.30 | TrueDD_ | Gnight to all |
| 01:08.04 | darkblue_B | .. I am removing gnome-media-common and gnome media stuff, and re-installing gnome-core and handful of what looked like common gnome things |
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| 01:08.39 | darkblue_B | I dont have any other desktop env in there.. I tried playing a movie, left it paused and the machine crashed overnight, previously, so I suspect this |
| 01:08.40 | setuid | I'm looking for some ideas... my current hosting provider screwed me for the last time (details: http://lists.eclug.net/pipermail/eclug/2009-November/008185.html) |
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| 01:08.53 | ex-parrot | oggei: this looks perfect... I'll just feed it the standard system packages as keepers and let it tidy up for me |
| 01:09.03 | setuid | I'm thinking about building a 64-bit Lenny VM, and drop-shipping it to the new provider I choose.. and running the whole kit inside a VM, instead of on bare metal |
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| 01:10.30 | oggei | ex-parrot: yeah, you can also take an interactive trip, first time is pretty long but after debfoster remember your choices |
| 01:11.30 | gasull | Hi. I've tried everything to get my microphone working. I can play sounds but I can't record my voice. Can anybody tell me where to look at? Thank you. |
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| 01:13.55 | setuid | Anyone have a recommendations for how I should solve the "inept hosting provider" conundrum, and avoid having to restore 30GB of data from my home DSL connection every time they trash the drive/data or I change hosts? |
| 01:14.26 | setuid | Throwing Lenny into a VM, and restoring the data there seemed like the perfect idea... that way, as long as I can install VMware on the host, I can get up and running very quickly. |
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| 01:15.03 | darkblue_B | no luck - there was an error with the nome settings daemon.. started too many times.. |
| 01:15.08 | darkblue_B | Gnome |
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| 01:17.22 | lymeca | I have two hard drives each 137GB SAS drives /dev/sda and /dev/sdb and I want to install Debian onto them in RAID-1 managed by software RAID and mdadm |
| 01:17.25 | darkblue_B | .. what if I install kde-core.. can I de-activate the Gnome desktop afterwards? |
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| 01:17.41 | lymeca | Is there a way to configure mdadm to put them into software RAID-1 during debian-installer setup? |
| 01:18.23 | lymeca | I also want them to contain LVM2 logical volumes with encryption using cryptsetup/LUKS and I know I can do that in d-i, but I wasn't sure about using mdadm during d-i or if I should just install onto one like /dev/sda and use mdadm to sync the data later? |
| 01:20.32 | Coweater | lymeca: it goes over how to do it in the debian installation guide 6.3.2.3 |
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| 01:21.40 | lymeca | Coweater: "you can choose a different filesystem for this partition, including options to use the partition for swap, software RAID, LVM," |
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| 01:21.56 | Coweater | yes i've read it before |
| 01:22.01 | lymeca | So... basically d-i provides ways to configure RAID using mdadm inside the manual partitioning part? |
| 01:22.10 | Coweater | yep |
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| 01:22.19 | lymeca | So I can do mdadm then LVM2 then cryptsetup/LUKS... |
| 01:22.40 | lymeca | all in d-i |
| 01:22.40 | lymeca | That's powerful. |
| 01:23.08 | setuid | The advanced installer is a bit tricky with LUKS, so be careful |
| 01:23.21 | lymeca | I've heard that AES 192-bit is stronger than AES 256-bit in terms of being faster to crack? |
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| 01:24.04 | setuid | 192 is still succeptible to the boomerang attack though |
| 01:25.16 | setuid | "A related-key attack can break 256-bit AES with a complexity of 2119, which is faster than brute force but is still infeasible. 192-bit AES can also be defeated in a similar manner, but at a complexity of 2176. 128-bit AES is not affected by this attack." |
| 01:25.32 | setuid | 2^119 vs. 2^176 |
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| 01:30.03 | darkblue_B | ok, well after installing kde-core, I followed the a web recipe and am doing aptitude install kde-core kdm |
| 01:30.14 | darkblue_B | its de-installing a ton of gnome things |
| 01:30.58 | darkblue_B | since my mysterious error msg was coming from Gnome settings daemon, I am thinking this might be a good thing |
| 01:32.29 | darkblue_B | that machine is headless.. removing vinagre just went by.. hmm |
| 01:32.43 | darkblue_B | I have tightvncserver in there.. but I will want a VNC that works |
| 01:33.25 | setuid | Just remove something key to GNOME, like libglib or libgtk or similar |
| 01:33.31 | setuid | it'll rip the other GNOME bits out |
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| 01:34.55 | setuid | Heck, rip out libpng too... that should do it ;) |
| 01:35.26 | darkblue_B | libglib.. going for it |
| 01:35.41 | darkblue_B | its taking out my virtualbox |
| 01:35.46 | mogunus` | darkblue_B: I used aptitude purge for this. |
| 01:35.51 | mogunus` | It worked out well |
| 01:35.58 | darkblue_B | ok |
| 01:36.03 | darkblue_B | suggestions welcome |
| 01:37.09 | rgr | I tried to uninstall gnome-screensaver yesterday. It almost removed all of gnome with it. |
| 01:37.22 | mogunus` | a simple "aptitude purge gnome" worked well |
| 01:37.23 | darkblue_B | python pydot.. ohh got to get that back |
| 01:37.27 | setuid | rgr, That's probabloy a good thing |
| 01:37.41 | setuid | gnome ties itself to -everything- |
| 01:37.46 | setuid | Try removing avahi sometime |
| 01:37.53 | setuid | it's completely unnecessary, but _everything_ links to it |
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| 01:38.54 | darkblue_B | hmm aptitude purge gnome has a whole lot of xserver-xorg-video stuff |
| 01:39.10 | darkblue_B | I do want KDE to run |
| 01:39.24 | darkblue_B | I have no idea how this work |
| 01:39.32 | mogunus` | I purged gnome, and then installed awesomewm from aptitude |
| 01:39.42 | mogunus` | which automatically pulled in all the x deps it wanted |
| 01:39.51 | setuid | darkblue_B, rip everything out that isn't required to boot, and try installing something like "konqueror", and let it drag in the requisite libs and such |
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| 01:39.56 | mogunus` | and I'm happy with how that worked out |
| 01:40.04 | darkblue_B | ok |
| 01:40.10 | darkblue_B | might as well try |
| 01:40.36 | setuid | mogunus`, I've been using sawfish for ~9 years, still can't find something that replaces it |
| 01:40.44 | setuid | Used fvwm95 for a few years before that |
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| 01:41.18 | mogunus` | setuid: I've heard good things about sawfish |
| 01:41.47 | mogunus` | I was on stumpwm for quite some time, but it languished developer-wise |
| 01:42.04 | tensorpudding | have you considered a tiling wm |
| 01:42.09 | mogunus` | I'm okay with awesome... it gets the job done, but it is merely okay, |
| 01:42.44 | rgr | xmonad is great for a tiling WM. |
| 01:42.59 | darkblue_B | "no session manager, no window manager, no terminal emulator, aborting " |
| 01:43.02 | darkblue_B | :-/ |
| 01:43.08 | darkblue_B | ok, installing konqueror |
| 01:43.13 | darkblue_B | if I can spell it |
| 01:43.50 | mogunus` | rgr: yeah, I've looked at xmonad. sadly, I am *far* too busy to learn haskell. awesome was the quickest thing to hack together a decentish config for. |
| 01:43.52 | setuid | ion is nice too, if you can tolerate non-overlapping windows |
| 01:44.01 | mogunus` | I used ion for years. |
| 01:44.14 | mogunus` | Eventually I couldn't deal with tumo anymore. |
| 01:44.17 | rgr | mogunus`: there are many good example configs around. But yeah :: Haskell is a bitch. |
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| 01:44.38 | rgr | But I could never go back to metacity now. xmonad is just so damn powerful and fast. |
| 01:44.47 | setuid | metacity is so crippled |
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| 01:44.58 | rgr | no its not. It does what its there for. |
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| 01:45.27 | setuid | It's almost as powerful as twm |
| 01:45.29 | i-pink | hii all |
| 01:45.35 | setuid | Given the choice, I'd use twm over metacity |
| 01:45.48 | mogunus` | rgr: I'm actually pretty excited about the "learning haskell" bit, I love me some functional programming in scheme or ML or erlang. |
| 01:45.56 | tensorpudding | twm? really? |
| 01:46.07 | rgr | because you have a different "needs list". But metacity is fast enough and stable. Does what it says on the tin. I wouldnt go back to it mind you :-; |
| 01:46.10 | tensorpudding | i used twm for like five minutes and i still have nightmares about it |
| 01:46.12 | mogunus` | I'm just seriously under the gun for some deadlines. |
| 01:46.13 | i-pink | i have a pink PC and VOIP |
| 01:46.45 | i-pink | how i set iptable on the pink PC? |
| 01:46.52 | setuid | i-pink, man iptables? |
| 01:46.58 | setuid | Or use smoothwall |
| 01:47.00 | i-pink | OMG |
| 01:47.05 | i-pink | i do it |
| 01:47.09 | darkblue_B | python-2.5-dev ?? |
| 01:47.12 | darkblue_B | geez |
| 01:47.12 | i-pink | and it very hard text |
| 01:47.31 | setuid | i-pink, http://www.fwbuilder.org/ |
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| 01:47.47 | mogunus` | setuid: how string is sawfish tiling? I'd love to use something with a lisp config that was, you know, maintained. |
| 01:47.55 | mogunus` | s/string/strong |
| 01:48.00 | puff | I'm migrating users from one box to a new install on a new box. Do I just insert the new user lines in /etc/passwd or are there shadow files and such such? |
| 01:48.13 | darkblue_B | removing sudo ?!? |
| 01:48.14 | setuid | mogunus`, it's lisp... I even have undo for window moves ;) It's neat... watching windows slide back to their original positions as I 'unopen' them ;) |
| 01:48.15 | darkblue_B | ugh |
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| 01:49.19 | setuid | Has anyone noticed that images.google.com now uses alt-right/left to navigate across the pages of images displayed? |
| 01:49.39 | mogunus` | setuid: because at this point I am completely incapabale of using anything but a tiling WM. |
| 01:49.52 | i-pink | i need to get internet in the wlan0 and make a bridge to the eth0 (i connect the voip to there) |
| 01:49.53 | setuid | mogunus`, sawfish can do that if you want, it's in the Placement options |
| 01:50.14 | setuid | i-pink, http://brunovernay.wordpress.com/2007/01/25/gui-for-iptables-netfilter/ |
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| 01:50.29 | i-pink | gui? |
| 01:50.31 | mogunus` | setuid: I'll have to take a look when I finally get some time. Awesome is bearable, but lua is a terrible language compared to lisp or haskell for configuration. |
| 01:50.37 | i-pink | but the terminal is ok |
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| 01:51.00 | i-pink | is PC without screen |
| 01:51.23 | setuid | i-pink, If you don't understand input/output chains, policy chains, you can accidentally leave a pretty big hole in your firewall. Visually seeing how things bolt together can really help. |
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| 01:52.19 | i-pink | setuid, you can help me step by step |
| 01:52.32 | i-pink | is the first time i work with iptable |
| 01:52.54 | setuid | i-pink, /j #netfilter |
| 01:53.44 | abrotman | ooh |
| 01:53.48 | setuid | Someone needs to make some wallpapers out of these: http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html#renders |
| 01:54.20 | puff | Anybody know the answer to my question? I guess I can just chmod the shadow passwd file. |
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| 01:55.01 | i-pink | nobody answering in #netfilter |
| 01:55.07 | setuid | puff, use ldap, or just vipw the users in |
| 01:55.44 | puff | vipw? |
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| 01:56.01 | puff | Ah, similar to visudo. |
| 01:56.04 | setuid | NAME |
| 01:56.04 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.04 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.24 | setuid | Once I had more than 10 users, I jumped to LDAP, and use luma to manage them |
| 01:56.44 | i-pink | setuid, nobody answering in #netfilter, what to do? |
| 01:56.55 | setuid | i-pink, You sit and wait. |
| 01:57.06 | darkblue_B | hmmm no ssh now |
| 01:57.07 | setuid | It's not a one-on-one conversation, if someone can help, they will. |
| 01:57.33 | puff | But nto enough like visudo to take an EDITOR=emacs arg. |
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| 01:57.43 | i-pink | i want only help step by step |
| 01:57.56 | puff | I want a pony. |
| 01:58.02 | abrotman | !pony puff |
| 01:58.02 | dpkg | gives puff a pony |
| 01:58.11 | i-pink | is my first time with iptable |
| 01:58.19 | rgr | could someone suggest why my nfs mount only shows the contents of certain subdirs? it appears the owner and permissions are identical but when I cd into one dir on the nfs mount "ls" shows all the files, but cd'ing into a sibling an ls shows nothing. |
| 01:58.59 | markybob | i-pink, this isnt an iptables help channel |
| 01:59.01 | i-pink | i need only to set a bridge on my pink PC |
| 01:59.05 | gyyg | I am trying to install debian from the dvd. my computer will not boot from it. it goes right to XP. My windows 7 box can see data on the disk, but the xp box I am trying to convert sees nothing |
| 01:59.06 | markybob | I-Hopz, you've already been told this |
| 01:59.39 | thneed | I am having trouble updating because the package libc6 is holding me back, but when I try to install it, I get these errors |
| 01:59.40 | setuid | rgr, autofs started? |
| 01:59.40 | thneed | http://pastebin.com/m7e971db0 |
| 01:59.41 | abrotman | gyyg: if you look at the DVD, do you see the contents or an ISO ? |
| 02:00.00 | rgr | setuid: autofs? |
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| 02:00.06 | gyyg | the contents |
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| 02:00.14 | gyyg | it tries to auto execute even |
| 02:00.26 | rgr | the nfs is mounted. |
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| 02:00.51 | thneed | it looks like libc6 is in the debian repos I am using, but why can't I dl packages? |
| 02:00.58 | abrotman | gyyg: you may have burnt the iSO at too great of a speed |
| 02:01.05 | abrotman | thneed: did you check the BTS ? |
| 02:01.07 | setuid | thneed, apt-get update |
| 02:01.14 | setuid | Delete the locked .dat files, try again |
| 02:01.15 | thneed | setuid: that doesn't work |
| 02:01.21 | gyyg | hmm. I used windows 7 built in utility |
| 02:01.32 | gyyg | I got some error when I tried to use active ISO |
| 02:01.36 | thneed | setuid: locked .dat files? where? |
| 02:01.49 | setuid | # |
| 02:01.49 | setuid | debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process: Resource temporarily unavailable |
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| 02:01.58 | darkblue_B | ah well - no windowmgr starts now |
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| 02:02.20 | gyyg | why would one operation system be able to see the file structure, and not the other? |
| 02:02.24 | darkblue_B | auto-starts I should say |
| 02:02.58 | markybob | because god hates you |
| 02:03.10 | ryanCH | how do i view my routers arp table, so i can see all the computers that are connected? |
| 02:03.16 | setuid | assuming some such mythical being called 'god' was possible in this universe |
| 02:03.52 | markybob | ryanCH, i'm going to use my psychic powers to guess exactly which router you have, and answer your dumbass question |
| 02:04.09 | setuid | feels the need to add... |
| 02:04.11 | ryanCH | :( |
| 02:04.12 | DeSian | DogBoy, fixed, with ifconfig finde the inet add "192.168.1.36" from this machine and added to NAT, because another machine have another ined addr 192.168.1.34 and now worked just with this machine |
| 02:04.16 | cheako | I asked over a v4l, but didn't get a reply. I'm looking for a application to real-time process information from a v4l device. |
| 02:04.26 | DeSian | Titan8990, thnx you too ^^ |
| 02:04.33 | setuid | "This is a community support channel, staffed by volunteers, not a technical support contract." |
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| 02:04.57 | gyyg | is there a piece of software from windows someone can suggest for buring ISOs? |
| 02:05.03 | gyyg | for windows rather |
| 02:05.05 | setuid | mkisofs |
| 02:05.10 | markybob | gyyg, iso recorder |
| 02:05.11 | setuid | burnfree |
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| 02:05.21 | cheako | There were several projects related to biometric data, but I can't find a current one. |
| 02:05.21 | DeSian | gyyg, free or non-fre? |
| 02:05.26 | gyyg | free |
| 02:05.33 | setuid | er, burnatonce: http://www.burnatonce.net/ |
| 02:05.35 | markybob | gyyg, iso recorder |
| 02:05.35 | thneed | setuid: that didn't do anything for my unmet dependencies... |
| 02:05.41 | thneed | abrotman: what is the BTS? |
| 02:05.47 | markybob | !bts |
| 02:05.47 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 02:05.50 | setuid | thneed, I never said it would |
| 02:05.51 | DeSian | gyyg, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto |
| 02:06.29 | DeSian | but dont burn ubuntu just debian :D |
| 02:06.30 | thneed | abrotman: thanks, I'l check |
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| 02:07.24 | darkblue_B | hmm kdm tried to start, but no window managers |
| 02:07.26 | setuid | http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/new/full/Power8side.html |
| 02:07.48 | darkblue_B | you all were talking about obscure window mgrs.. I just need one here now |
| 02:07.59 | darkblue_B | kdm compat |
| 02:08.02 | setuid | darkblue_B, Just install kwm |
| 02:08.27 | darkblue_B | xmonad is mentioned |
| 02:08.34 | darkblue_B | ok. kwm is fine with me |
| 02:09.34 | DeSian | gn8 all and thnx for today |
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| 02:09.53 | darkblue_B | pekwm or xmonad, are available |
| 02:10.15 | rgr | I can see the files in 6 out of 7 of the dirs of the nfs mount. All have same chmod values. All files in the 7 dirs all have the same permissions too. |
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| 02:10.59 | setuid | rgr, Check the mount options |
| 02:11.13 | rgr | ? |
| 02:11.26 | rgr | How would I see the files in 6 out of 7 if it were the mount options? |
| 02:11.33 | enyawix | anyone tried to compile miro 2.0+ in lenny? |
| 02:11.44 | rgr | there is only one mount point to a dir which then contains 7 subdirs. |
| 02:12.01 | enyawix | dropping back to 1.x is just painfull |
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| 02:13.02 | darkblue_B | "no window managers" :-/ |
| 02:13.40 | enyawix | hugs compiz |
| 02:13.50 | darkblue_B | well session type is an option on login.. trying |
| 02:15.32 | enyawix | darkblue_B: did you try xinit /usr/bin/xterm & |
| 02:16.42 | enyawix | if that fails X is broken |
| 02:16.49 | darkblue_B | I could try that |
| 02:17.11 | darkblue_B | I chose pekwm as session option on lgin, now I get the big blue screen. right click gives a funky meni |
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| 02:17.23 | darkblue_B | and konq launched |
| 02:17.32 | darkblue_B | so somthing is working.. enyawix thx though |
| 02:17.39 | darkblue_B | I really dont know much about this |
| 02:17.46 | darkblue_B | (though I am a coder) |
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| 02:18.17 | darkblue_B | no terminal.. no ssh :-( |
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| 02:18.35 | darkblue_B | dont know how I am going to add packeages now... |
| 02:19.48 | enyawix | rescue cd & chroot :) |
| 02:19.52 | darkblue_B | ah - the maze |
| 02:20.01 | darkblue_B | exit to xterm |
| 02:20.08 | darkblue_B | choose terminal |
| 02:20.12 | darkblue_B | now I get a session |
| 02:20.30 | macrobat_ | darkblue_B: for pekwm you edit files in ~/.pekwm/ and the winkey has functions :) |
| 02:21.03 | darkblue_B | winkey?? |
| 02:21.06 | darkblue_B | whats that |
| 02:21.26 | darkblue_B | I know a unix dev who calls himself winkey |
| 02:22.20 | enyawix | darkblue_B: how do you view lenny? |
| 02:22.25 | enyawix | too old? |
| 02:22.41 | darkblue_B | hmmm not sure what you are asking |
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| 02:22.58 | darkblue_B | but, I am having a bit of a hard time right now with my new Debian 5 here |
| 02:23.14 | darkblue_B | I just want a stable system.. Gnome setting mgr was crashing or something |
| 02:23.19 | enyawix | i an thinking about jumping ship and start using testing |
| 02:23.22 | darkblue_B | this re-install thing is getting long |
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| 02:23.51 | abrotman | darkblue_B: what are you trying to do ? |
| 02:24.07 | darkblue_B | hi abrotman |
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| 02:24.08 | thneed | libc6! |
| 02:24.11 | thneed | !libc6 |
| 02:24.11 | dpkg | libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian GNU/Linux uses since version 2.0. Do not try to downgrade it. It is a essential component of your Debian system, and we are not responsible if it breaks. |
| 02:24.27 | setuid | Yes, be careful with libc6, everything relies on it |
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| 02:24.41 | darkblue_B | I came back this afternoon to find my almost new Debian 5 install unresponsive, on hardware that has been stable for a long time |
| 02:24.43 | thneed | so, every package I try and install packages or update, I have unmet dependencies with this listed |
| 02:24.59 | setuid | thneed, dpkg --configure -a |
| 02:25.01 | thneed | not sure what to do, I have 255 packages that need updating |
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| 02:25.06 | enyawix | libc6 part of glibc? |
| 02:25.10 | darkblue_B | the Gnome settings deamon started too many times, was one msg |
| 02:25.14 | setuid | libc6 _is_ glibc |
| 02:25.21 | darkblue_B | and, I had tried to view a movie, and left it on pause, and it crashed once also |
| 02:25.24 | enyawix | thought so |
| 02:25.45 | darkblue_B | so the good folk here suggested I just rip out gnome.. I mean, I started it |
| 02:25.49 | setuid | thneed, aptitude full-upgrade |
| 02:25.53 | darkblue_B | .. but so I did |
| 02:26.04 | enyawix | how do you get the header files for glibc under debian |
| 02:26.12 | darkblue_B | aptitude gnome purge.. sudo apt-get remove libglib |
| 02:26.18 | darkblue_B | thats sort of hting |
| 02:26.19 | enyawix | it is needed to compile many things |
| 02:26.28 | darkblue_B | I have the pekwm window manager now, apaprently |
| 02:26.37 | darkblue_B | it took out virtualbox, and ssh with it |
| 02:26.39 | darkblue_B | apparently |
| 02:26.57 | darkblue_B | I just put ssh in - the machine was headless, I just moved it with a monitor and keybd |
| 02:27.17 | darkblue_B | I would like it to start up, so I can get vnc to it, as before.. now in ke |
| 02:27.19 | darkblue_B | kde |
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| 02:27.33 | setuid | darkblue_B, nomachine.. vnc is horrible in comparison |
| 02:27.35 | thneed | setuid: http://pastebin.com/m18a9eea6 this is the error I got from dpkg --configure -a, I am running aptitude full-upgrade now |
| 02:27.36 | darkblue_B | that is what I am sort of half done with here |
| 02:27.47 | darkblue_B | nomachine? |
| 02:27.50 | setuid | thneed, How did you get into this state? |
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| 02:28.18 | setuid | thneed, Looks like your pkgdb is toast |
| 02:28.45 | setuid | libc6-dev depends on libc6 (= 2.10.1-5); however: |
| 02:28.45 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:28.52 | setuid | ^ that's not good news |
| 02:29.16 | setuid | dpkg wouldn't work if libc6 wasn't installed, and so your pkgdb is out of step with the packages you apparently have installed. You didn't try to hand-install some debs or --force any, did you? |
| 02:29.17 | dpkg | setuid: what are you talking about? |
| 02:29.23 | setuid | dpkg, shush |
| 02:29.23 | dpkg | Fine, I'll shut up. |
| 02:29.56 | thneed | setuid: probably |
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| 02:30.04 | thneed | I did sudo apt-get -f install |
| 02:30.24 | enyawix | why is it so hard to get the development tool chain for debian |
| 02:30.32 | setuid | thneed, If you used --force on anything, you might as well reinstall, and no, I'm not joking. Your package database is probably screwed at this point, and ther'es no real clean way to rebuild it. |
| 02:30.43 | enyawix | it is painful to compile things |
| 02:30.47 | setuid | enyawix, apt-get install gcc g++ binutils make automake autoconf m4 |
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| 02:31.47 | cheako | Is any one else having problems with tor just now? |
| 02:31.51 | cheako | CRITICAL (for 0d 0h 25m 6s) |
| 02:32.13 | setuid | cheako, What are you running across it? irc? Other? |
| 02:32.20 | objorn | python has reached version 3.1.1, why is it not in debian? |
| 02:32.32 | setuid | objorn, Because it's completely incompatible with 2.x |
| 02:32.33 | darkblue_B | x-terminal-emulator not found :-/ |
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| 02:33.31 | cheako | setuid: DNS(over tor) is not working atm. |
| 02:33.58 | setuid | objorn, http://docs.python.org/library/2to3.html |
| 02:34.49 | darkblue_B | .. installing kterm |
| 02:34.56 | cheako | setuid: tor is failing nagios DNS lookups, but it's also falling to carry http traffic. |
| 02:36.04 | cheako | setuid: I don't think I'll bother with another nagios service check, if the built in DNS server can't resolve things then I'd say it's game over for every thing else. |
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| 02:37.13 | cheako | setuid: It's working now, I'll look at the logs. |
| 02:37.18 | setuid | cheako, Maybe run an nscd? |
| 02:37.52 | cheako | setuid: I am running dnsmasq. |
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| 02:39.46 | darkblue_B | per an old posting, I dont have an .xinitrc |
| 02:39.51 | enyawix | can i mix stable and testing some how |
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| 02:40.25 | darkblue_B | well I put in a testing sqlalchemy |
| 02:40.31 | darkblue_B | and python support I believe |
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| 02:40.41 | darkblue_B | but, dont do anyhting I did.. I am not a happy camper right now :-/ |
| 02:40.41 | abrotman | enyawix: you don't want to |
| 02:40.52 | Sier | Nov 15 20:48:30 acura kernel: [4585771.536638] asterisk(26374): floating-point assist fault at ip 2000000001eb0b71, isr 0000020000000008 |
| 02:40.55 | Sier | Is this bad? :P |
| 02:41.05 | jpinx-eeepc | enyawix: use backports? |
| 02:41.28 | enyawix | abrotman: i want to install miro from testing. i just checked back ports |
| 02:41.41 | jpinx-eeepc | enyawix: ssb |
| 02:41.45 | abrotman | !tell enyawix about ssb |
| 02:42.08 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions miro |
| 02:42.09 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: miro -- lenny: 1.2.3-2 sid: 2.5.3-1 squeeze: 2.5.3-1 |
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| 02:48.17 | enyawix | do squeeze packages tend to work in lenny? |
| 02:48.39 | enyawix | i know it may fail |
| 02:49.31 | puff | Hm, on ubuntu I can do "sudo EDITOR=emacs visudo", and sudo will set the EDITOR environment variable to emacs in the root process that invokes visudo. However, in debian, sudo doesn't accept that parameter. |
| 02:49.47 | remote | EDITOR=emacs sudo |
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| 02:50.15 | puff | remote: I'm pretty sure that won't work. Nope, it odesn't. |
| 02:50.17 | remote | puff: you got it wrong, visudo uses EDITOR |
| 02:50.27 | puff | remote: See, sudo spawns a new process to invoke the command. |
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| 02:50.43 | puff | remote: So the new process doesn't get the EDITOR environment variable. |
| 02:50.49 | remote | sudo bash -c "EDITOR=emacs visudo" ? |
| 02:50.59 | remote | puff: so set it in root's environment |
| 02:51.12 | puff | Ah, that works. |
| 02:51.13 | puff | Tanks. |
| 02:51.22 | remote | but it's still not the right way |
| 02:51.28 | puff | What's the right way, then? |
| 02:51.41 | remote | well, for one you will always be stuck with this long command |
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| 02:51.52 | remote | just set the editor in root's environment and see if that works |
| 02:52.06 | remote | you should expect visudo to be able to know your favorite editor |
| 02:52.17 | remote | i don't really know the right way but there is a better way |
| 02:52.33 | puff | remote: well yeah, but setting a root account enviornment variable so that sudo will find it is also kinda backwards. |
| 02:52.45 | remote | so what does visudo do? |
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| 02:52.55 | puff | fires up an editor for the /etc/sudoers file. |
| 02:53.04 | puff | Much like vipw for passwords or vigr for groups. |
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| 02:53.26 | remote | no it does more than that |
| 02:53.33 | remote | otherwise why not just use emacs /etc/sudoers ? |
| 02:54.18 | remote | it does syntax check and locking |
| 02:54.19 | puff | Because on some distros, sudo won't run if /etc/sudoers is writable. |
| 02:54.25 | remote | ah |
| 02:54.46 | remote | yeah just set EDITOR in root's config or in global system config |
| 02:54.47 | markybob | it's more than that |
| 02:54.47 | puff | They're all abstraction layers between these important files and the rest of the world. |
| 02:54.48 | markybob | http://www.sudo.ws/pipermail/sudo-users/2006-May/002857.html |
| 02:55.14 | remote | or keep using this nifty command :) |
| 02:55.45 | puff | in any event, thanks. |
| 02:55.51 | puff | Can you tell me about the shadow password file? |
| 02:56.11 | remote | it's a file |
| 02:56.14 | puff | I guess I should finish reading the man page first. |
| 02:56.14 | remote | it stores data |
| 02:56.17 | setuid | it contains the salt |
| 02:56.24 | remote | not the pepper |
| 02:56.28 | puff | I am porting usres, etc, over to a new box. |
| 02:56.46 | remote | you can use the shadow entries |
| 02:56.54 | prince_jammys | sudo EDITOR=whatever visudo works over here. maybe your settings clear the environment, or such? |
| 02:57.10 | remote | hah! thought it should work |
| 02:57.13 | darkblue_B | installing the complete KDE.... |
| 02:57.28 | puff | prince_jammys: Idaknow, it work son my ubuntu box but not on eithre my old or new debian box |
| 02:57.43 | prince_jammys | does this echo ''bar''? sudo foo=bar sh -c 'echo $foo' |
| 02:57.57 | puff | I'm on etch. |
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| 03:00.06 | nevyn | prince_jammys: no. |
| 03:00.10 | nevyn | well it shouldn't. |
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| 03:00.45 | nevyn | sudo export foo=bar sh -c "echo $foo" might work tho |
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| 03:01.23 | prince_jammys | export is a shell builtin |
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| 03:03.04 | prince_jammys | i'd guess that it has to do with env_reset in /etc/sudoers, but i have that set and i get 'bar' from my command, so i'm just confused now. |
| 03:03.50 | prince_jammys | i _don't_ get 'bar' if i put it in the environment normally, with foo=bar sudo sh -c 'echo $foo' |
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| 03:09.18 | prince_jammys | puff, ah (man sudo) '' Environment variables to be set for the command may also be passed on the command line in the form of VAR=value, '' Maybe your sudo version doesn't have this feature. |
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| 03:10.18 | prince_jammys | .. or it's disabled. that explains sudo foo=bar works for me (handled by sudo), though not if passed into the environment by the shell. |
| 03:13.54 | Tramp | or the "NOSETENV" Tag is in use .... sudo. The weirdest command known to mankind. |
| 03:14.17 | prince_jammys | commands that invoke other commands are always a bitch :) |
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| 03:14.38 | Tramp | yeah. and only sudo can parse sudoers |
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| 03:27.31 | darkblue_B | ok, so the complete kde install seems to be happy |
| 03:27.54 | darkblue_B | I'd like to autologin at boot |
| 03:28.29 | iluminator101 | I was thinking of uping my pinning to testing, how is testing, anyone run their system on testing |
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| 03:29.33 | rgr | well, its taken just over a day to get it back as it was but fully Lenny newly installed but now I can honestly say I have the coolest Thinkpad X30 out there! |
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| 03:33.25 | darkblue_B | hmm remote desktop on KDE is having a problem |
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| 03:34.41 | rgr | whats the best remote dekstop viewer , vncviewer? |
| 03:34.47 | abrotman | for RDP or VNC ? |
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| 03:35.03 | darkblue_B | (well I have mac os x here, so its built in) |
| 03:35.26 | rgr | Didn't know of a difference. Will look it up. I used vncviewer before. But inter debian machines over t'net if thats any help? |
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| 03:37.42 | factor | in the synaptic package manager can I save my selected list soemhow |
| 03:38.41 | factor | cool I see save markings |
| 03:40.48 | darkblue_B | well tightvnc seems to be working |
| 03:40.58 | darkblue_B | I dont know what "nomachine" is |
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| 03:43.05 | factor | ok Debian rocks |
| 03:43.25 | factor | ubuntu does not work on no xorg or radeon.. |
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| 03:43.41 | factor | but debian worked on no xorg and has a new driver I have not heard of openchrome |
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| 03:43.52 | factor | which is working |
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| 03:56.32 | ajay | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:57.03 | ajay | it is stopped at after retriving all packages |
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| 03:58.55 | ajay | i sthere any way to continue installation. |
| 03:58.56 | gurugeek | I can't make Xorg work. Here's my setup: adm64, lenny 5.03, Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT |
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| 04:12.44 | gyyrog | I just installed debian for the first time. Is there some sort of remote desktop analogue for Debian? |
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| 04:13.10 | gurugeek | I can't make Xorg work. Here's my setup: adm64, lenny 5.03, Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT |
| 04:13.40 | franki^ | gyyrog: i think that "remote desktop" is actually "vinagre", which is in the debian repos, i'm not certain though |
| 04:13.43 | MAd_haTTer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.59 | franki^ | gurugeek: have you installed the nvidia drivers? |
| 04:14.02 | simonrvn | !tell gurugeek -about repeat |
| 04:14.06 | simonrvn | !tell gurugeek -about ask |
| 04:14.09 | MAd_haTTer | gurugeek: why are you trying to make xorg work? |
| 04:14.12 | gyyrog | is there a windows client for it? |
| 04:14.33 | MAd_haTTer | brain fart, xorg is default now fight.. |
| 04:14.38 | MAd_haTTer | right* |
| 04:14.58 | gurugeek | sorry guys |
| 04:15.02 | simonrvn | xfree86 is gone yes (from debian anyway) |
| 04:15.06 | franki^ | gyyrog: for VNC? i have no idea, probably, ask ##windows (if that channel even exists :P) |
| 04:15.27 | gurugeek | MAd_haTTer: I like to use X windows and it doesnt work with my config |
| 04:15.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | gyyrog: do you need to connect to a doze box or any old box? |
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| 04:16.04 | MAd_haTTer | franki^: 's right what driver are you using, rather did you =try to install the nvidia driver? |
| 04:16.19 | MAd_haTTer | gurugeek: ^ |
| 04:16.31 | MAd_haTTer | vesa = works like everytime |
| 04:16.47 | MAd_haTTer | dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 04:17.09 | simonrvn | Xorg -configure now, if !lenny |
| 04:17.10 | franki^ | actually, vesa didn't work with squeeze on my laptop, and i had to install the drivers from nvidia |
| 04:17.11 | gurugeek | MAd_haTTer: i tried nvidia but failed |
| 04:17.13 | MAd_haTTer | get X working, then install nvidia driver |
| 04:17.38 | MAd_haTTer | dpkg-reconfigure xorg |
| 04:17.43 | simonrvn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 04:17.44 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 04:18.25 | MAd_haTTer | see I use the nvidia code... |
| 04:18.51 | MAd_haTTer | I should install a new one... |
| 04:18.57 | darkblue_B | well.. to finish up.. KDE is working over VNC fine.. the only thing is one netatalk volume is not mounting.. other than that. things seems good |
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| 04:35.05 | EasyTUX | I get pa volume level to 1526% when video plays in firefox (wmv, flash, etc...). Any guess to put it back to a sane value like 100% for example ? |
| 04:36.30 | EasyTUX | *guess how to |
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| 04:41.33 | gyyrog | where do I go to set up aliases in debian? |
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| 04:41.40 | n-iCe | hi |
| 04:41.49 | gyyrog | using bash |
| 04:42.02 | prince_jammys | gyyrog: typically in your ~/.bashrc |
| 04:42.21 | n-iCe | how can I use my usb to install debian? |
| 04:42.26 | n-iCe | any tuto? |
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| 04:45.58 | gyyrog | other than disabeling root login what is important in setting up ssh? |
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| 04:46.42 | Rusty1 | !usb install |
| 04:46.42 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 04:46.50 | regorianer | hi guys |
| 04:46.51 | peterrooney | gyyrog: set up denyhosts, or better yet, switch to a weird port. |
| 04:47.00 | regorianer | does anybody knows something about this problem> |
| 04:47.03 | gyyrog | what is denyhosts? |
| 04:47.03 | regorianer | ij> connect 'jdbc:derby:meinedb3;create=true'; |
| 04:47.03 | regorianer | Created MBeanServer with ID: afkuog:g22r5ftd.0:localhost:1 |
| 04:47.03 | regorianer | JAVA ERROR: java.lang.InternalError: One of the management beans is not compliant. |
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| 04:47.25 | lkthomas | anyone still using qmail ? |
| 04:47.29 | itsosimpo | hello friends, i just got a new laptop. which deb architecture works best for these specs: http://reviews.cnet.com/laptops/toshiba-satellite-a505-s6980/4507-3121_7-33776110.html?tag=psum ? |
| 04:47.46 | itsosimpo | core2 duo intel |
| 04:47.59 | itsosimpo | and it allows 64 bit computing |
| 04:49.12 | pickcoder | the 32-bit arch is fine for basic use |
| 04:49.49 | pickcoder | the amd64 release has 32-bit compat libs, but you can forget about flash unless a 64-bit version has been released that I'm unaware of |
| 04:49.59 | itsosimpo | err but i want to take advantage of 64 bit. i hear that amd64 architecture would work but still some bugs with plugins/applications |
| 04:50.05 | itsosimpo | i'm willing to work around that stuff |
| 04:50.32 | itsosimpo | okay |
| 04:50.32 | pickcoder | I've seen no performance difference running a server |
| 04:50.50 | pickcoder | desktop, I dunno |
| 04:50.54 | pickcoder | apart from the lack of browser plugins |
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| 04:51.16 | pickcoder | memory is not an issue with the bigmem kernal on 32-bit |
| 04:51.31 | pickcoder | ~kernel |
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| 04:51.42 | pickcoder | oops |
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| 04:52.05 | gyyrog | peterrooney: what is denyhosts? |
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| 04:54.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | gyyrog: man 5 hosts.deny |
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| 04:58.09 | devin | !squeeze|nvidia |
| 04:58.32 | devin | someone know? |
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| 05:00.34 | devin | !tum |
| 05:00.34 | dpkg | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution |
| 05:02.57 | gyyrog | where are apache's config files on debian? |
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| 05:03.22 | prince_jammys | /etc/apache2 |
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| 05:09.33 | lotus-blade | can anyone help me set up a apache 2.2 web server? I can not get userhome, ssl, include working |
| 05:09.56 | peterrooney | gyyrog: dpkg -L <package-name> |
| 05:10.35 | devin | how come on a fresh install xorg.conf don't exist? do I need to create it? |
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| 05:13.38 | squisher | devin, xorg.conf is not necessary any more in most cases |
| 05:14.44 | devin | so how does one get proper nvidia drivers installed? which files gets edited? |
| 05:15.29 | squisher | my guess is for that you need it |
| 05:15.40 | squisher | have you read the README.Debian for nvidia-glx? |
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| 05:16.12 | squisher | plus, you shouldn't call them 'proper' nvidia drivers... you are talking about the official, closed source, ones I presume |
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| 05:17.15 | venger | you could try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to see if it generates one? |
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| 05:20.32 | devin | squisher which ever come from using the debian way method I'm not using the nvidia installer |
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| 05:20.50 | devin | venger yeah that didn't work, use too, not anymore though |
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| 05:21.35 | simonrvn | Xorg -configure |
| 05:21.45 | simonrvn | then edit the driver |
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| 05:25.25 | lotus-blade | can anyone help me set up a apache 2.2 web server? I can not get userhome, ssl, include working |
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| 05:28.00 | fradb | is there a chance to get the sound module "e-mu 1820" working in debian lenny |
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| 05:30.58 | leper_ | hello |
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| 05:31.09 | leper_ | how can i know the chipset of my audio card?? |
| 05:31.44 | simonrvn | lspci |
| 05:31.46 | squisher | leper_, lspci | grep Audio |
| 05:32.07 | leper_ | 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) |
| 05:32.20 | simonrvn | !hda-intel |
| 05:32.20 | leper_ | that is what i get, but need that part where it says ALC |
| 05:32.30 | simonrvn | !hda |
| 05:32.31 | dpkg | hmm... hda is the first ide hard drive in your computer |
| 05:32.40 | simonrvn | dpkg: go away |
| 05:32.40 | dpkg | (sing in the style of Ricki Lake's audience) Go away, go away, just damn go. Home. |
| 05:33.08 | simonrvn | !snd-hda-intel |
| 05:33.08 | dpkg | methinks snd-hda-intel is To use it in etch for some chips it helps to m-a a-i alsa because the the 2.6.18-3 kernel has older alsa then the source package in etch |
| 05:33.17 | simonrvn | blah |
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| 05:34.36 | simonrvn | sorry for the spam.. |
| 05:34.47 | leper_ | don't worry =B |
| 05:35.20 | simonrvn | thought there would be useful info... there usually is |
| 05:35.30 | squisher | not sure that's really an ALC chip... but the info that it's intel-hda should be enough to get it running |
| 05:35.56 | leper_ | but it doesn't run |
| 05:36.14 | simonrvn | modprobe hda-intel && echo snd-hda-intel >> /etc/modules |
| 05:36.42 | simonrvn | loads it immediately into kernel memory and adds it to that file to load it at boot time |
| 05:36.48 | squisher | then check alsamixer for muted / 0% volume, and run speaker-test -t wav |
| 05:36.57 | simonrvn | bingo |
| 05:37.05 | simonrvn | hrm |
| 05:37.18 | squisher | :) |
| 05:38.05 | simonrvn | *shrug*. some people don't get irc |
| 05:38.28 | Supaplex | I get it just fine. I'd be yelling without it. ;o) |
| 05:38.54 | simonrvn | haha |
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| 05:40.24 | squisher | hm, disclaimer: sid, but is anyone aware of an issue with mouse-clicks registering? |
| 05:40.34 | faffi | hey guys... im trying to install the nvidia binary and apt is prompting me to remove all of xorg |
| 05:41.03 | squisher | often in a terminal using vi I can't scroll any more, or I can't double-click on my task list |
| 05:41.07 | simonrvn | faffi: um, that's called a conflict (conflicting packages) |
| 05:41.15 | squisher | after changing focus, the clicks are registered again |
| 05:41.17 | faffi | simonrvn: with ALL of xorg? |
| 05:41.36 | squisher | that's called dependency resolution ;-) |
| 05:41.53 | simonrvn | probably xorg package, and especially with xserver-xorg-core |
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| 05:44.46 | faffi | so then what do i do |
| 05:44.52 | faffi | because i need the binary in order to load X |
| 05:44.53 | roy_hobbs | So I've got a multifunction printer/scanner. cups wants the device to be group lp, and sane wants the device to be group scanner. What do any of you do in this situation? |
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| 05:45.05 | faffi | and xserver-xorg-video-2 is a virtual packager which provides nvidia-glx ... |
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| 05:49.32 | devin | ok just installed nvidia drivers, now getting: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 05:49.45 | squisher | read README.Debian |
| 05:50.09 | squisher | you probably forgot to load GLX in your xorg.conf |
| 05:50.14 | MAd_haTTer | how can you test you nvidia install... |
| 05:50.31 | MAd_haTTer | glx-gears? |
| 05:50.42 | MAd_haTTer | proformance test* |
| 05:50.59 | devin | well its there, but for some reason its located in /root/xorg.conf.new |
| 05:51.07 | devin | MAd_haTTer yea |
| 05:51.59 | simonrvn | devin: yes. you're expected to check it over then cp it into place. |
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| 05:53.27 | faffi | could someone please explain how this is going to workm in order to install nvidia-glx, apt wants me to remove xorg and xserver-* |
| 05:54.00 | faffi | the xserver-xorg-video-2 virtual package provides nvidia-glx but if i try to install that it tells me to explicitly select a package, the only one being nvidia-glx |
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| 05:54.04 | venger | faffi, use pastebin so we we see what you see . if its just meta packages it won't cascade |
| 05:54.11 | lotus-blade | g nickserv identify 092179 |
| 05:54.23 | simonrvn | lotus-blade: woops |
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| 05:54.35 | simonrvn | lotus-blade: change your passwd |
| 05:55.51 | faffi | venger: http://debian.pastebin.com/m25ae0d03 |
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| 05:59.03 | lotus-blade | can any one help me get my apache server working? |
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| 06:00.05 | squisher | lotus-blade, don't ask to ask, just give some details about your problem. If someone can help, they will. |
| 06:00.05 | lotus-blade | I am trying to get user directories to work as well as server side includes |
| 06:00.07 | venger | faffi try it there are other packages its not removing. if you are broken then reinstall xserver-xorg |
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| 06:03.53 | faffi | venger: install it and let it remove all of X? |
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| 06:08.27 | venger | faffi, apt-cache showpkg nvidia-glx |
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| 06:13.09 | faffi | venger: sorry for the late responde, multitasking like a crazy person what am i looking for here |
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| 06:15.07 | venger | faffi, the output shows the depends of concern are dependencies of nvidia-glx so unless there is some bug my opinion is it should be ok in the end |
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| 06:20.43 | faffi | venger: ok i installed it and it removed X |
| 06:20.58 | faffi | /usr/bin/X11/X no such file or directory, |
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| 06:25.34 | venger | faffi, then the dependencies are busted. what version are you running? |
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| 06:26.00 | faffi | of debian? squeeze |
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| 06:26.43 | venger | looks like an opportunity to file a bug |
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| 06:28.29 | venger | faffi, you should be able to reinstall xorg which i suspect would remove nvidia-glx |
| 06:28.48 | faffi | venger: yeah, i did that |
| 06:29.05 | faffi | i dont want to install the open source 'nv' driver because i dont believe it has twinview support |
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| 06:29.29 | venger | faffi, you could just download the binary... |
| 06:29.34 | faffi | from where? |
| 06:29.44 | venger | nvidia.com :) |
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| 06:30.29 | venger | i don't know that it will work with squeeze or not but i usually just use the binary which stomps around then dependencies anyway |
| 06:31.01 | faffi | i shoulda never installed gdm, thats what caused all of this |
| 06:31.40 | venger | all gdm does its complicate driver changes; you can dump it and just use startx |
| 06:31.50 | faffi | thats what i normally do |
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| 06:32.06 | lotus-blade | I am trying to get user directories to work as well as server side includes |
| 06:32.14 | venger | you had done an apt-get update recently though right? |
| 06:32.16 | lotus-blade | can any one help? |
| 06:32.22 | faffi | venger: yep |
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| 06:46.26 | ajay | hi to all,there is no image in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 06:46.39 | ajay | i want sid gnome dvd |
| 06:46.42 | ajay | .iso |
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| 06:47.19 | macrobat_ | lotus-blade: maybe there is some apache channel |
| 06:48.24 | macrobat_ | ajay: use netinstall cd, do a minimal install, change lenny to sid in sources.list |
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| 06:49.22 | macrobat_ | i dont thnk there would be much use to get a sid dvd, it would be outdated fast |
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| 06:50.02 | ajay | macrobat, why it will be outdated? |
| 06:51.01 | macrobat_ | the dvd is read-only? |
| 06:52.08 | macrobat_ | sid gets updates all the time |
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| 06:57.22 | ajay | i have install armel in sd card but not able to do chroot getting error chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
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| 07:03.18 | objorn | help me please... ffmpeg: Depends: libpostproc51 (>= 5:0.5+svn20091101) but 0.svn20080206-18 is to be installed |
| 07:04.22 | FredWP | What distribution are you using? |
| 07:04.52 | FredWP | sid? |
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| 07:07.22 | objorn | FredWP: how can i tell? |
| 07:08.11 | FredWP | Applications -> System Tools -> System Monitor, at the System tab. |
| 07:08.20 | objorn | i don't have gnome or kde |
| 07:08.31 | franki^ | look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:08.36 | objorn | just a cli |
| 07:08.58 | objorn | debian lenny |
| 07:09.06 | factor | Which version of debian has glibc 2.8 or better? |
| 07:09.15 | objorn | i use the unstable brances too |
| 07:09.50 | franki^ | factor: squeeze does, i'm not sure about lenny |
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| 07:10.05 | factor | lenny did not |
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| 07:11.39 | factor | testing has 2.10 so that should work |
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| 07:16.48 | nas | any idea why i am getting this error? how to get rid of this error? thanks. :) /etc/cron.daily/logrotate: |
| 07:16.49 | nas | error running shared postrotate script for /var/log/apache-ssl/*.log |
| 07:16.51 | nas | run-parts: /etc/cron.daily/logrotate exited with return code 1 |
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| 07:27.48 | thomastim | juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html |
| 07:28.08 | macrobat_ | judd: versions glibc |
| 07:28.08 | judd | macrobat_: glibc -- |
| 07:28.20 | simonrvn | libc6 |
| 07:28.22 | macrobat_ | judd: versions libc6 |
| 07:28.22 | judd | macrobat_: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 squeeze: 2.10.1-5 sid: 2.10.1-7 |
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| 07:31.42 | flourish | hello all, quick question. How can i make a user command running before login the system. I know command execute by root can be put in /etc/rc.local |
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| 07:44.13 | _AnywhereIs_ | flourish : .bashrc? |
| 07:45.11 | _AnywhereIs_ | or custom shell that runs program then starts the real shell |
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| 07:57.37 | Psi-Jack | Actually /etc/bashrc would be less likely to be tampered with by the user than their own ~/.bashrc |
| 07:57.54 | Psi-Jack | If said program wanting to be run at login wanted to be persistant. |
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| 08:19.17 | ajay | hi to all, i am getting error chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error |
| 08:19.30 | valdyn | ajay: you cant run armel on your intel pci |
| 08:19.31 | valdyn | ajay: you cant run armel on your intel pc |
| 08:19.49 | ajay | valdyn, even through chroot |
| 08:20.12 | valdyn | ajay: chroot is not a cpu emulation |
| 08:20.58 | ajay | valdyn, qemu-system-arm also not working properly |
| 08:21.24 | ajay | i am able to boot and login but while doing apt-get update getting error |
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| 08:22.39 | hackemate | :) |
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| 08:26.37 | ajay | valdyn, is there any other way than qemu to install some packages in armel partition from i386 |
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| 08:28.17 | _lilo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:28.25 | _lilo | The GNAA is back. Join the official GNAA chat @ irc://irc.hardchats.com/GNAA ALSO GIE US BAKC OUF FUCKIN ARTICLE PLZ LERN 2 |
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| 08:28.29 | _lilo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:28.34 | JacksonBrown | The GNAA is back. Join the official GNAA chat @ irc://irc.hardchats.com/GNAA FUCKING LUNIX FAGGOTS |
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| 08:28.38 | JacksonBrown | The GNAA is back. Join the official GNAA chat @ irc://irc.hardchats.com/GNAA FUCKING LUNIX FAGGOTS |
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| 08:31.46 | krion | hi |
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| 08:41.03 | sepult | anyone's acquainted with pkg-config ? |
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| 08:42.14 | sepult | somehow on lfs, my pkg-config lists te correct --modversions but |
| 08:42.14 | sepult | the packages i'm trying to reinstall now shout the versions are not in |
| 08:42.14 | sepult | the expected range |
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| 08:42.40 | sepult | what may be the cause of this ? |
| 08:43.03 | sepult | do i have to remove the *.pc files prior to reinstallation ? |
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| 08:47.40 | Wazzzaaa | How can I commandline lock package versions? |
| 08:48.37 | peterrooney | !pinning |
| 08:48.37 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 08:50.51 | Wazzzaaa | peterrooney: In synaptic I just can select a package and choose: "Lock version"... |
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| 08:52.22 | Wazzzaaa | And I have a list of different packages, it is easier to let a bash script do all the work :P |
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| 08:54.04 | peterrooney | Wazzzaaa: if you -must- do it from command line, man apt-get will assist you - search for "specific version" |
| 08:54.51 | peterrooney | Wazzzaaa: what are you trying to do? |
| 08:55.31 | Wazzzaaa | I want certain packages not to be updated any more. I looked into manpages of apt, apt-get, aptitude and dpkg |
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| 08:55.51 | Wazzzaaa | only thing I found in dpkg was 'hold' |
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| 08:56.40 | Wazzzaaa | hmm, that seemed to work |
| 08:56.42 | Wazzzaaa | lol |
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| 08:57.11 | Wazzzaaa | sorry. |
| 08:57.14 | peterrooney | Wazzzaaa: pinning is covered in man 5 apt_preferences ( the file is at /etc/apt/preferences ) |
| 08:57.23 | Wazzzaaa | Iĺl look into that |
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| 08:58.02 | Wazzzaaa | The problem is that the gnome "Update Manager" don let the packages be updated. But the appear in aptitude as "Upgradeble packages" |
| 08:58.10 | Wazzzaaa | thnx for the info ;) |
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| 08:58.25 | qp_pq | what do I do with this image ? do I writte it to a cd ? http://saimei.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/5.0.2-live/i386/usb-hdd/debian-live-502-i386-standard.img |
| 08:58.36 | qp_pq | I thought .iso were for that... |
| 08:58.46 | Wazzzaaa | .img also |
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| 09:00.02 | qp_pq | how can I write it on a stick ? |
| 09:00.04 | qp_pq | this .img |
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| 09:00.27 | qp_pq | I'm attempting to make a live usb stick |
| 09:00.44 | franki^ | i think that unetbootin should work with .img files |
| 09:01.17 | franki^ | i may be wrong though.. |
| 09:01.55 | qp_pq | I'm using usb-creatorr |
| 09:01.59 | qp_pq | *usb-creator |
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| 09:04.21 | franki^ | sorry, i've never used that |
| 09:04.23 | qp_pq | if I install that .img |
| 09:04.26 | qp_pq | on my stick |
| 09:04.27 | qp_pq | with dd |
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| 09:04.43 | qp_pq | will I get read-only or rw ? |
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| 09:12.04 | psheldr | hi, when i type L_alt+b the coursor doesn't move back one word but i get a small a with a hat... i looked around on the web how to change this but nothing really helped |
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| 09:12.47 | psheldr | if i do xmodmap -e "clear mod1" then L_alt+b just gives me a b |
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| 09:13.57 | macrobat | ps do you use emacs-like commandline editing? |
| 09:14.11 | macrobat | psheldr: ^ |
| 09:14.23 | psheldr | yes, i find that convinient |
| 09:14.44 | psheldr | tapping esc once and then pushing b goes back one word |
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| 09:15.15 | macrobat | ok |
| 09:15.56 | macrobat | do the other alt key combinations work? |
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| 09:16.16 | macrobat | like M-. M-_ M-t |
| 09:16.28 | psheldr | no they all just give me some exotic letter modifications |
| 09:17.09 | macrobat | alt works as expecteed outside bash? |
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| 09:17.23 | psheldr | it works fine inside emacs |
| 09:18.16 | macrobat | i dont really know. have a look at /etc/inputrc and man readline |
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| 09:18.47 | markie- | i'm having shut down issues with acpi. i put acpi=force apm=power_off in grub menu.lst, and it shuts down fine, but i need acpi=off in order for it to start up without hanging |
| 09:18.49 | psheldr | changing /etc/inputrc does nothing |
| 09:19.00 | psheldr | i even deleted it without effect |
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| 09:19.37 | macrobat | and there's no ~/.inputrc? |
| 09:19.57 | psheldr | no |
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| 09:21.54 | macrobat | for me, left alt is keycode 64 |
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| 09:23.56 | psheldr | macrobat: thanks for support anyway |
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| 09:26.08 | macrobat | :D |
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| 09:31.16 | hoo-hah | is there a way to get apt-listbugs to list bugs of all packages installed? I've only started using it, and have ignored bug messages during aptitude installs. |
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| 09:44.20 | dondelelcaro | hoo-hah: you can do that using bts, but the list of bugs is going to be rather large |
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| 10:13.37 | alecs12 | hi, I'm trying to add a pppoe over ethernet connection in nm-applet |
| 10:13.59 | alecs12 | but the connection is never written when I press Ok |
| 10:14.03 | alecs12 | *Apply |
| 10:14.27 | alecs12 | nm-applet keeps gettings error like "** (nm-applet:7289): WARNING **: Invalid connection (empty) |
| 10:14.27 | alecs12 | ** (nm-applet:7289): WARNING **: No connection read from GConf at /system/networking/connections/3." |
| 10:14.58 | alecs12 | so I guess this is some gtk settings daemon which doesn't function correctly |
| 10:15.11 | alecs12 | how should fix this? |
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| 10:23.15 | rdb | Is there some kind of variable to access the package's version number in the debian/rules file? Something like $DEB_VERSION or so? |
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| 10:26.26 | gooest_007 | Hello, i am tryin to install from virtual cd via KVM. Firstly it mounter wrong cd, i fixedthat, than I get debootstap error "cannot determine release". I run debootstrap manually, but on "Configure package manager" step it says that i need to install base system. How to fix? |
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| 10:28.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | rdb: grep it out of debian/changelog? |
| 10:28.37 | rdb | ghrm, how ugly |
| 10:28.45 | rdb | k, thanks |
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| 10:30.50 | ajay | hi to all,i took qemu source from squeeze and applying packages which is given at http://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation but applying patches are not working |
| 10:31.58 | ajay | are these patches works for squeeze qemu? |
| 10:32.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions |
| 10:32.49 | judd | Kamping_Kaiser: (versions ) -- Output available versions of a package. Usage: "versions pattern [--arch i386] [--release etch]" pattern will treat * and ? as wildcards |
| 10:32.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions qemu |
| 10:32.54 | judd | Kamping_Kaiser: qemu -- etch: 0.8.2-4etch2 etch-security: 0.8.2-4etch3 lenny: 0.9.1-10 etch-backports: 0.9.1-10lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 0.9.1-10lenny1 sid: 0.10.6-1 squeeze: 0.10.6-1 experimental: 0.10.50+git20090729-1 |
| 10:33.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | ajay: they're diferent versions, so i doubt you can expect any of the patches to apply cleanly |
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| 10:33.58 | disc0rd | ajay: are you running squeeze or lenny? |
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| 10:35.54 | AmokPaule | Squeeze will be stable in april or? |
| 10:36.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | AmokPaule: when its ready |
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| 10:36.53 | AmokPaule | kk |
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| 10:37.21 | franki^ | !squeeze |
| 10:37.21 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729. See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 10:37.25 | moqual | i have Flash 9.0 and Flash 10.0 plugins. How to remove the 9.0? |
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| 10:39.27 | franki^ | moqual: how did you install it? |
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| 10:40.20 | moqual | the 10.0 was done through apt, the 9.0, i have forgotten how in got in there. |
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| 10:40.51 | moqual | if both are done through apt, would the 10.0 not replaced the 9.0? |
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| 10:41.41 | franki^ | moqual: i would have thought so, although i'm not certain |
| 10:42.07 | franki^ | moqual: try looking at "locate flashplugin" or something.. |
| 10:42.40 | franki^ | moqual: or, look in aptitude's "locally created packages" section |
| 10:42.46 | franki^ | (these are just random ideas) |
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| 10:42.55 | moqual | right now, because 9.0 is the first on the list, as shown through about:plugins, how to make the 10.0 the first? |
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| 10:43.41 | franki^ | moqual: you can go to "tools -> add-ons -> plugins" in forefox and disable the old version |
| 10:43.43 | WhiteCrow1 | hi guy's |
| 10:43.59 | franki^ | s/forefox/iceweasel/ :) |
| 10:44.01 | WhiteCrow1 | i have probleam how can i fix it |
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| 10:44.17 | WhiteCrow1 | http://pastebin.com/m1231dfcf |
| 10:44.52 | WhiteCrow1 | when i install vlc , vlc cant work |
| 10:45.20 | moqual | thks, franki^. |
| 10:46.00 | quakerrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.25 | quakerrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.25 | quakerrrr | $ vlc |
| 10:46.41 | WhiteCrow1 | quakerrrr: Failed to execute child process "vlc" (No such file or directory) |
| 10:47.09 | quakerrrr | Hm.. it wrote only this? |
| 10:47.39 | quakerrrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.56 | WhiteCrow1 | quakerrrr: what ? |
| 10:48.30 | quakerrrr | WhiteCrow1 On the console was only that one line: |
| 10:48.30 | quakerrrr | Failed to execute child process "vlc" (No such file or directory) |
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| 10:48.42 | WhiteCrow1 | quakerrrr: see http://pastebin.com/m1231dfcf |
| 10:49.33 | gooest_007 | How to help debian installer to choose the right cdrom device? It mounts wrong cdrom... |
| 10:49.54 | WhiteCrow1 | quakerrrr: i cant speak EN very will but i understande a little :) sorry for my EN |
| 10:50.06 | jelly | gooest_007: uh... have only one cd inserted at a time? |
| 10:50.21 | gooest_007 | two cds |
| 10:50.39 | jelly | yes, eject the other one |
| 10:50.40 | gooest_007 | I can't do anything, because it i use remote KVM device |
| 10:50.42 | quakerrrr | WhiteCrow1 OK.. Hm.. did at least ONCE the apt-get downloaded the vlc package from net? |
| 10:51.27 | quakerrrr | WhiteCrow1 Because on the apt-get output I cannot see the downloading |
| 10:51.31 | WhiteCrow1 | quakerrrr: yes |
| 10:52.28 | gooest_007 | jelly, i can't eject, because i use KVM and can't disable it in bios. Can i change install options to use right device? |
| 10:52.40 | quakerrrr | WhiteCrow1 OK. So here it is OK. Now try on console $ vlc --version |
| 10:54.10 | WhiteCrow1 | quakerrrr: ohhhhh tnx i fix it >> sudo aptitude purge vlc && sudo aptitude install vlc |
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| 10:55.12 | quakerrrr | WhiteCrow1 Yes it may help. I thought you tryed it.. |
| 10:55.14 | WhiteCrow1 | quakerrrr: tnx a lot dude |
| 10:55.19 | quakerrrr | :-) |
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| 10:57.05 | WhiteCrow1 | by guy's |
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| 10:57.20 | ajay | disc0rd,Kamping_Kaiser i am using lenny source ha been taken from squeeze |
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| 10:58.18 | ajay | Kamping_Kaiser, are these patches are applied to qemu version of squeeze i think so no.. |
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| 10:59.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | ajay: I don't know, your the one with the source |
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| 11:04.26 | DJC_laptop | Dear #debian. I apologize I don't often frequent the channel, but could you please reconsider your ban on all webchat users given that there are indeed users who are sometimes forced to webchat for IRC to communicate when say, their linux box goes completely down due to a bad case of the upgrades. |
| 11:04.56 | DJC_laptop | Relatedly... is there a regression in testing that causes unbootable systems when upgrading? |
| 11:05.16 | ajay | Kamping_Kaiser, i have squeeze qemu source qemu-0.10.6] |
| 11:06.17 | themill | DJC_laptop: there was an extraordinarily high level of abuse of the webchat interface over the weekend. We'll discuss it again though.... |
| 11:07.00 | DJC_laptop | themill: Ah, appreciated. For now I have a cloak I can use, but I imagine others won't be so lucky. IIRC webchat clocks override unaffiliated. |
| 11:07.10 | DJC_laptop | *cloaks |
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| 11:09.54 | quakerrrr | DJC_laptop IMHO I didn't notice any unbootability when migrating to testing and changing (upgrading, etc.) testing yet. But I'm not extreme user... Only I noticed was problems with kdm, xorg and fglrx (could not log in GUI), but system booted properly. |
| 11:10.38 | DJC_laptop | Hmm, I just upgraded a VM running debian and it offlined itself and on bounce is now stuck in a reboot loop that doesn't appear to get substantially further than grub. |
| 11:11.01 | DJC_laptop | It appears to be trying to resume itself off of swap, which is somewhat strange, and then failing, rebooting and doing the same thing all over again. |
| 11:11.33 | themill | DJC_laptop: did you suspend to disk rather than turn it off? |
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| 11:12.08 | themill | (suspend to disk in the guest operating system, not in the VM) |
| 11:12.09 | quakerrrr | DJC_laptop You have Debian on the top of VM, or VM on the top of Debian? :-D |
| 11:12.20 | DJC_laptop | debian on VM |
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| 11:12.35 | DJC_laptop | themill: No the VM just shut the instance off directly. The thing was offlined. |
| 11:12.36 | yowlst | hi to all |
| 11:13.41 | themill | DJC_laptop: I don't know what you mean by that. |
| 11:14.19 | DJC_laptop | themill: It should have essentially been the same as if someone had just pressed the power button. |
| 11:14.39 | DJC_laptop | So no, it didn't accidentally get suspended. |
| 11:14.44 | yowlst | sorry, im building a package. Where i can exactly put a "DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive" for tacking effect? |
| 11:15.01 | yowlst | if i put it in "preinst" it doesnt work.. |
| 11:15.04 | DJC_laptop | I think it's trying to resume, failing and loads the kernel... and then when it loads the kernel it ends up rebooting for reasons not completely clear to me. |
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| 11:16.37 | yowlst | generally, where these variables are definied? |
| 11:16.46 | quakerrrr | Hm. What kind of upgrade it was? Was it something critical (kernel, kernel modules etc.)? |
| 11:16.59 | themill | DJC_laptop: If suspend-to-disk was called within the guest and a its trying to boot a new kernel, you'll see exactly this sort of thing. You said you thought it was trying to resume from swap -- what makes you say that? |
| 11:17.22 | DJC_laptop | suspend-to-disk was not in fact called within the guest though. |
| 11:17.29 | DJC_laptop | unless debian does that itself these days? |
| 11:17.51 | themill | DJC_laptop: depends what you have "power button" mapped to within the guest |
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| 11:18.02 | themill | yowlst: a package shouldn't be defining that variable -- that's for the local admin to decide |
| 11:18.55 | yowlst | themill, ok but i dont want ncurses installing dependeces of my package |
| 11:19.10 | yowlst | i mean |
| 11:19.49 | yowlst | i dont want interactive mode during installation of my pckg dependences |
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| 11:21.24 | themill | !wayttd yowlst |
| 11:21.24 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, yowlst? |
| 11:21.27 | pom_ | I get startup halted at "Waiting for root filesystem..." because of a dist-upgrade OR a bad shutdown. Can I recover from this easily? |
| 11:21.52 | themill | DJC_laptop: You said you thought it was trying to resume from swap -- what makes you say that? |
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| 11:23.04 | yowlst | dpkg, im building a pkg. This take with him some dependeces. I want that dependences are installed without any interactive mode. |
| 11:23.04 | dpkg | that's too long, yowlst |
| 11:23.18 | DJC_laptop | themill: I have some limited ability to access a virtual console of the machine over a hacky VNC window. One of the things that became evident in the reboot loop was it seemed to be trying to resume from that partition and then would go "no that doesn't work" and then would fall back to doing what it called a "normal boot" at which point it would promptly reboot. |
| 11:23.47 | themill | DJC_laptop: can you append "noresume" to the kernel command line? |
| 11:24.00 | themill | yowlst: dpkg is a bot, you want to talk to the people here :) |
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| 11:24.25 | Knoedel1 | moin zusammen |
| 11:24.28 | themill | yowlst: do you want the dependencies to be installed in non-interactive mode just in your testing chroot? or on all machines? |
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| 11:24.49 | Knoedel1 | gibt es eine möglichkeit den iceweasel so zu starten das er kein ~/.mozilla ordner anlegt ? |
| 11:25.06 | yowlst | themill, all machines. i want is the default |
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| 11:25.34 | yowlst | themill, im not a bot :) |
| 11:26.08 | themill | Knoedel1: #debian.de |
| 11:26.47 | themill | yowlst: why should you be allowed to change the way that other people's packages are configured on other machines though? Is this just for internal use or something for inclusion in debian? |
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| 11:29.21 | yowlst | themill, im building a pkg thats all. If i was in a script i would run DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive and stop |
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| 11:29.50 | yowlst | but the problem is during an apt installation |
| 11:29.54 | yowlst | because |
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| 11:30.20 | themill | yowlst: is this something for debian or something just for your own use? |
| 11:30.23 | yowlst | i think preinst is a different sub-process |
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| 11:31.10 | yowlst | themill, for my use i think |
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| 11:31.47 | yowlst | at the moment |
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| 11:32.34 | themill | yowlst: The trouble is, other maintainers have decided that things are important to configure perhaps because their package just doesn't work unless the user gives an answer. There is no way for you to override that and nor should you. (For private usage, you could preseed debconf but that's not something you can do in a public package) |
| 11:33.31 | yowlst | themill, ahh of course for my own usage in this sense |
| 11:34.03 | yowlst | themill, im just building a meta. most for the postinstall |
| 11:34.17 | yowlst | themill, thats all |
| 11:34.29 | yowlst | thanks anyway guys |
| 11:35.02 | themill | yowlst: look into preseeding debconf with the info required for these other packages then. |
| 11:35.36 | yowlst | themill, ok is the way i saw.. |
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| 11:38.58 | Sephi-Chan | Hi |
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| 11:40.08 | ex-parrot | hey all... does someone know how I can force off dri if I don't have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
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| 11:41.43 | ex-parrot | ah nevermind, xorg can generate a file for me to edit |
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| 11:45.54 | Sephi-Chan | I have troubles with my sudoers file (http://sephi-chan.pastebin.com/d34d7baca) |
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| 11:46.12 | Sephi-Chan | Can someone help me to allow WEBMASTERS to run APACHE commands without password ? |
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| 11:48.07 | DJC_laptop | Sephi-Chan: I believe you want WEBMASTERS ALL = NOPASSWD: APACHE |
| 11:48.43 | Sephi-Chan | Okay |
| 11:48.47 | Sephi-Chan | i don't understand the ALL |
| 11:48.52 | Sephi-Chan | It's ofr all terminal |
| 11:49.13 | Sephi-Chan | But it's in opposite of what ? |
| 11:49.31 | internat | umm ssh/rsh etc |
| 11:49.32 | internat | i believe |
| 11:49.42 | Sephi-Chan | Hmm okay |
| 11:50.08 | DJC_laptop | Sephi-Chan: Okay the first field specifies which users you're talking about. |
| 11:50.14 | Sephi-Chan | Thanks you, DJC_laptop & internat :) |
| 11:50.16 | DJC_laptop | the next which hosts, then which commands. |
| 11:50.33 | internat | u want a % if its a group btw |
| 11:50.37 | internat | ie %webmasters |
| 11:50.38 | epsilon | ALL is the host |
| 11:51.10 | epsilon | and AFAIK you need to tell the exact command which allowed to be executed, that means incl. options |
| 11:51.11 | Sephi-Chan | Can you give me few exemples of valid hosts ? |
| 11:51.16 | DJC_laptop | internat: I think with the user-alias specified you don't need the %. |
| 11:51.28 | DJC_laptop | epsilon: APACHE is a command specification |
| 11:51.37 | internat | oh i was thinking webmaster was a group, rather then a usergroup |
| 11:51.41 | Sephi-Chan | Cmnd_Alias APACHE = /usr/sbin/apache2ctl |
| 11:51.45 | epsilon | ah |
| 11:51.59 | DJC_laptop | Sephi-Chan: Generally these days use of ALL is fine. |
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| 11:52.08 | Sephi-Chan | Ok ^^ |
| 11:52.14 | DJC_laptop | sudo was built to work on networks of machines and for the most part people just use one sudoers file on one machine. |
| 11:52.35 | DJC_laptop | if you're actually using your sudoers file on whole networks at once or have it NFS mounted then you want to use the hosts field more carefully. |
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| 11:53.00 | Sephi-Chan | Yep |
| 11:54.22 | yowlst | themill, i cannot understand where debconf settings value are written.. and if they are global.. |
| 11:54.45 | Sephi-Chan | Thank you to explain me :) |
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| 11:55.29 | stark | hey guys i have debian installed on 1hdd, i have another hdd attached, how can scan that disk to be used and create a vg on it |
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| 11:55.45 | WhiteCrow11 | hi guy's |
| 11:55.52 | themill | yowlst: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 should give you some ideas and other relevant links. |
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| 11:56.01 | WhiteCrow11 | my vlc have'nt eny voice !!!!!:( |
| 11:56.04 | WhiteCrow11 | how can i do |
| 11:56.12 | Cybertinus | hello |
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| 11:56.56 | stark | ignore what i said thank |
| 11:57.11 | WhiteCrow11 | any* |
| 11:57.19 | Cybertinus | I'm trying to add a framebuffer to my Debian Lenny (5.0.3 i386) install. I want a 1280x1024 resolution. I've added vga=31B to my grub kernel line, but it doesn't accept it |
| 11:57.43 | Cybertinus | it comes with a menu where I can choose all kinds of differen framebuffer settings, so I pick 31B |
| 11:58.18 | Cybertinus | then my 17" TFT monitor (native reso 1280x1024) tells me it wants a 1280x1024 @ 60 Hz input, and refuses to show me the bootup of the machine |
| 11:58.30 | Cybertinus | how can I get a 1280x1024 framebuffer? |
| 11:59.26 | JPT | mh...vga=791 i guess |
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| 12:00.29 | JPT | http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html <-- there will be more details... |
| 12:00.31 | quakerrrr | WhiteCrow11 Are you in KDE? |
| 12:01.01 | WhiteCrow11 | quakerrrr: hi , no i in the gnome :) |
| 12:02.00 | quakerrrr | OK.. Try Hardware -is the repro plugged in? Then notice -after reconfigure the sound system has zero loudness |
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| 12:03.12 | stark | hey guys i have a 160gb disk and i did fdisk /dev/hdb and used all defaults and pvscan shows the disk as being 9gb? |
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| 12:04.27 | quakerrrr | Try to open gnome volume manager (if you want not to fetch it, open console and run $ gnome-volume- (and hit tab 2-times) -choose the one the better) |
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| 12:05.22 | Cybertinus | JPT: with vga=791 I get a framebuffer, but it is only 1024x768, not 1280x1024. And on you're link there isn't any refference to the vga= option |
| 12:05.32 | WhiteCrow11 | quakerrrr: i have voice with xmms but vlc noooooo |
| 12:05.33 | WhiteCrow11 | :( |
| 12:05.36 | JPT | hmm |
| 12:05.40 | JPT | let's see what i am using.. |
| 12:06.22 | JPT | hmm |
| 12:06.42 | JPT | i'm using vga=791, but my graphics adapter outputs it as 1280x1024 (DVI) |
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| 12:07.02 | DJC_laptop | Cybertinus: what kernel version are you running and what type of graphics card do you have? |
| 12:07.14 | JPT | sry, but i need to go to school :( |
| 12:07.17 | quakerrrr | WhiteCrow11 hm.. |
| 12:07.23 | Cybertinus | JPT: ok, hf :). Thnx anyway :) |
| 12:08.00 | Cybertinus | DJC_laptop: I'm running the latest kernel of Debian Stable (Lenny, 5.0.3), which is 2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 12:08.20 | DJC_laptop | :\ Never mind then. |
| 12:08.21 | quakerrrr | WhiteCrow11 Open the VLC; go to -->Tools -->Preferences Try the section Sound |
| 12:08.43 | stark | anyone can tell me why the disk in pvdisplay shows it as 9gb when the disk shows as 160gb on fdisk |
| 12:08.47 | stark | ? |
| 12:09.18 | WhiteCrow11 | quakerrrr: ok wait |
| 12:09.44 | DJC_laptop | stark: It sure does sound like the pv isn't using the full partition... |
| 12:09.52 | quakerrrr | WhiteCrow11 Try to change some settings and play a music. BUT: when you change the settings and save them, you need to stop and play again the .mp3. Maybe your VLC is using bad output way |
| 12:10.03 | WhiteCrow11 | quakerrrr: what's VER you'r vlc |
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| 12:10.24 | jason | does anyone know how to alter the positioning of a print with cups?? on mine the whole page is a couple of cm low and so prints off the bottom of the page |
| 12:10.29 | DJC_laptop | stark: would you like to post the output of pvdisplay and fdisk on the disk and I'll tell you if anything strikes me offhand? |
| 12:10.59 | quakerrrr | VLC media player 1.0.2 Goldeneye |
| 12:10.59 | quakerrrr | Version VLC 1.0.2 Goldeneye |
| 12:10.59 | quakerrrr | Compilated by: buildd@nautilus.fivetimesnine.net |
| 12:10.59 | quakerrrr | Compilator: gcc version 4.3.4 (Debian 4.3.4-3) |
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| 12:11.56 | orak3l | some packages i need to install got pulseaudio in "recommended packages". how can i tell apt to never install pulseaudio no matter what? |
| 12:12.22 | Cybertinus | DJC_laptop: and I have a ATI Rage XL graphics card |
| 12:12.24 | orak3l | some kind of blacklist for packes |
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| 12:13.49 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: how can i get the disk to use full PE? |
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| 12:14.27 | quakerrrr | Oh.. Ok.. I will use the #flood in the future.. I've forgotten |
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| 12:15.00 | DJC_laptop | stark_: you mean how do you get the pv on the full disk? |
| 12:15.09 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: yes please |
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| 12:15.15 | sergy | DCC SEND "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" 0 0 0 |
| 12:15.21 | sergy | lol |
| 12:15.25 | DJC_laptop | stark_: well I dunno why it isn't working that way... |
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| 12:15.30 | sergy | people still vuln to that |
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| 12:15.35 | sergy | DCC SEND "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" 0 0 0 |
| 12:15.40 | scream_ | :D |
| 12:15.42 | sergy | ok i stop that now |
| 12:15.45 | LjL | sergy: let's see what you are vulnerable to |
| 12:15.52 | sergy | LjL: go for it :) |
| 12:16.08 | iceroot | how to get stdin to a file? firefox is calling a print-script and in that script i want stdin write to a file |
| 12:16.57 | DJC_laptop | LjL: Please don't bother going down to that level. |
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| 12:17.17 | DJC_laptop | stark_: but if you want to post your fdisk and vgdisplay outputs I might be able to see something. |
| 12:17.28 | hurrrr | DCC SEND hahahahhahahahahahaha:#asdasdasdasdasdas 0 0 0 |
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| 12:17.42 | LjL | DJC_laptop: i was implying "vulnerable to k-lines", but it doesn't seem that way. |
| 12:17.54 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: fdisk only shows my vg that has debian installed on. |
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| 12:18.16 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: i do ls /dev/hd* and see second disk /dev/hdb |
| 12:18.20 | DJC_laptop | LjL: Ah, staff will presumably get around to it soon enough. |
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| 12:18.46 | LjL | DJC_laptop: considering hurrrr *was* k-lined for doing the same thing... |
| 12:18.47 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: then i do fdisk /dev/hdb, enter, enter for all defaults to use whole disk and write and I can see in fdisk hdb is 160GB |
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| 12:19.34 | Cybertinus | DJC_laptop: hmm, I think I'll stay at 1024x768. My 17" TFT is a fair distant away, say 2 to 2,5 meters and I can bairly read the 1024x768. And I can't see the uglyness there must be, for not running the native reso :) |
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| 12:19.47 | mjmt__ | iceroot: cat >file-name |
| 12:19.53 | Maulkin | sergy: If you do that again, you'll be banned from the channel. |
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| 12:20.45 | DJC_laptop | stark_: what are you using to set this stuff up? The standard pvcreate tools or something else? |
| 12:21.08 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: pvcreate command |
| 12:21.31 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: but first i need disk to be partitioned and then i can start using lvm commands to create vg,lv etc |
| 12:21.31 | scream_ | LjL, is the DoS related to http://colloquy.info/project/ticket/531 ? |
| 12:21.44 | DJC_laptop | stark_: oh, you haven't partitioned the disk? |
| 12:22.00 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: I DID but it shows only as 9GB |
| 12:22.08 | LjL | DJC_laptop: it mainly affects some router, but it also affects Colloquy, yes |
| 12:22.09 | stark_ | thats why im trying to get it to use full disk amount |
| 12:22.11 | DJC_laptop | it only shows as 9GB where? |
| 12:22.19 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: in pvdisplay |
| 12:22.23 | LjL | scream_: ^ |
| 12:22.35 | DJC_laptop | stark_: and it shows correctly in fdisk? |
| 12:22.56 | scream_ | LjL, thanks. It's better to know about such exploits ;) |
| 12:23.17 | iceroot | mjmt: thx, i will try |
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| 12:23.26 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: correct |
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| 12:25.38 | DJC_laptop | stark_: you could try pvresize |
| 12:26.30 | valentina | Is there a specific Debian Server distro or shall I use the ordinary Debian (desktop edition) distro and chose to install web server etc during the installation process? |
| 12:26.30 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: how will that help though if i can't get 160gb to be created as a partition |
| 12:26.46 | DJC_laptop | stark_: I thought you said it was right in fdisk? |
| 12:26.57 | DJC_laptop | stark_: you may have to restart if the system didn't pick up the changes on sync() |
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| 12:27.10 | valentina | In Ubuntu there is a Ubuntu Desktop Edition and a Ubuntu Server Edition, how about the Debian distro? |
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| 12:29.03 | careta | valentina, the ordinary Debian is not desktop or server by definition - you can choose what functions it will have when you install it |
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| 12:29.15 | careta | so it can either be a server or desktop or both |
| 12:29.19 | stark_ | DJC_laptop: ill reboot see what happens |
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| 12:30.18 | Cybertinus | careta, valentina: I can tell from my experience with Gentoo that combining both functions (server and desktop) on 1 machine is a bad idea. You are gonna regret it at some point. That is why I'm installing a Debian server now, to move the server tasks from my Gentoo desktop to my Debian server ;) |
| 12:31.28 | valentina | careta: Ok, Just wanted to be sure about that there wasn't tw different editions. Thanks. |
| 12:31.35 | valentina | *two |
| 12:32.24 | cmyers | is anyone else having problems resolving dns for ftp.us.debian.org? |
| 12:32.37 | careta | I have a script that sets the monitor DPMS settings with xset. This script runs as root through the acpid daemon. After I login in xorg, the script doesn't set the xset settings correctly. However, if i restart the acpid daemon it starts to run correctly. Does anyone have an explanation for this? |
| 12:32.51 | rvsjoen | cmyers: resolves to 149.20.20.135 here |
| 12:33.31 | cmyers | rvsjoen: I can resolve it using dig, the NS in my /etc/resolv.conf look right - but when I apt-get update, I see: Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org' |
| 12:33.39 | cmyers | for all of my servers, actually. |
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| 12:34.20 | cmyers | also, I just got a new ISP, and I still have the old ISP, so I have two broadband connections on two different NICs and shit is "weird"... =( |
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| 12:34.51 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how can i see harddisk performance? |
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| 12:35.37 | macezinha | =.( i cant update... apt-get update |
| 12:35.51 | cmyers | \[[ |
| 12:35.53 | macezinha | ftp.br.debian.orb no route to host |
| 12:35.55 | macezinha | =.( |
| 12:36.06 | cmyers | ugh |
| 12:36.12 | cmyers | there it goes again =( |
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| 12:36.19 | cmyers | [Jasper]: apt-cache show dstat |
| 12:36.47 | cmyers | so I have eth0 and eth1 - both are dynamic IPs from broadband internet (eth2 is my internal network) |
| 12:36.56 | cmyers | I do ifdown eth0, ifup eth1, and things work |
| 12:37.02 | cmyers | but eth0 keeps "bringing itself up" |
| 12:37.12 | cmyers | and when it does, my internet stops working because the route order changes |
| 12:37.15 | kevke | Assuming I would like to change my Control Panel Software, can I simply install another on top of it, or what are the risks, if the other system is there but dormant? |
| 12:37.16 | cmyers | any advice for how to fix this? |
| 12:37.46 | kevke | I now have Debian Lenny and would love to keep it |
| 12:38.23 | cmyers | kevke: I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "control panel software"? |
| 12:39.42 | kevke | I use syscp now (a webserver control panel) and want to change it to another system |
| 12:39.58 | kevke | for example ispcp |
| 12:40.23 | cmyers | ah, I'm not familiar with those =/ |
| 12:42.28 | Shadur | Hmm, do the nvidia-kernel drivers work for amd64? |
| 12:44.05 | valdyn | Shadur: yes |
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| 12:44.58 | Shadur | Ah, good. Figured so but best to make sure before I reinstall my main comp. :) |
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| 12:46.01 | valdyn | careta: setting X stuff via acpid is wrong |
| 12:47.23 | careta | why valdyn ? |
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| 12:48.09 | valdyn | careta: because acpid is not and should not be aware of X sessions running |
| 12:48.31 | valdyn | careta: beside that why do you need acpid to run xset ? |
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| 12:49.13 | s1kx- | how can i use a different network interface/ip for ping? |
| 12:49.17 | careta | valdyn, i got fed up with X power management tools (such as the crap gnome power manager) and I want to have a centralized power saving script |
| 12:49.23 | valdyn | careta: doing this "right" would involve acpid checking for running X sessions and checking for users running which X sessions, thats convoluted and complex for just using xset |
| 12:50.10 | valdyn | careta: why is the gnome-power-manager crap? |
| 12:50.39 | BleSS | start_stop_daemon - how can be forced to start another copy of a daemon? |
| 12:51.03 | valdyn | careta: if you want something to run xset, then that something should be run from X |
| 12:51.31 | valdyn | careta: everything else is making a simple thing hard |
| 12:51.35 | careta | valdyn, i can give you several good reasons - the first one is that its inactivity timer is tied to gnome-screensaver. So lets say you want to dim the screen after 2 minutes - you have to set your screen saver to kick in 2 minutes. pretty stupid |
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| 12:52.14 | careta | valdyn, this is a single user computer, if I don't have an x session running I don't really care if it fails or not... I want to understand why is that restart the acpid daemon once i'm in X makes everything work and how can I automate it! |
| 12:53.05 | careta | this way I can have a centralized acpi mechanism, i already have several acpid scripts, I don't need to depend on pm-utils, which breaks my suspend or g-p-m |
| 12:53.08 | BleSS | I'm not sure if '--startas' option would make it |
| 12:53.16 | valdyn | careta: nonsense |
| 12:53.28 | valdyn | careta: the screensaver and the screen powersaving settings are independent |
| 12:54.19 | careta | valdyn, oh really? then set the idle time in the screensaver properties to 20 min and then go to g-p-m and try to set the screen turnoff time for less than 20 minutes. you can't |
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| 12:54.46 | valdyn | careta: i can |
| 12:56.37 | careta | valdyn, which version of debian do you have? I could not do it in lenny or squeeze |
| 12:56.46 | valdyn | careta: this is sid |
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| 12:57.42 | careta | ok maybe they got it right in the sid |
| 12:58.20 | valdyn | careta: beside that you can set timeouts just with xset |
| 12:58.47 | valdyn | careta: ( where does that leave the need for acpid ) |
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| 12:59.35 | careta | valdyn, i want to run a script when the battery kicks in |
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| 12:59.41 | careta | acpid is the best way to do it |
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| 13:00.01 | valdyn | careta: to do that part, but not to change X settings |
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| 13:00.21 | valdyn | careta: you can do your own custom rpc, but thats again silly in my opinion, but its easy enough |
| 13:00.48 | valdyn | careta: that means you can rather easily let acpid notify your own powersaving tool |
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| 13:01.19 | careta | valdyn, i don't want to code my powersaving tool, i want to keep it as simple as possible |
| 13:01.28 | valdyn | careta: that powersaving tool needs to run from X though |
| 13:01.44 | valdyn | careta: using acpid is not the simple way |
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| 13:02.07 | valdyn | careta: you cant commit all kinds of layering violations and think that is simple |
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| 13:02.52 | valdyn | careta: there may be a way to switch the display off on the tty where X is on, *without* actually talking to X |
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| 13:03.09 | valdyn | !dpms |
| 13:03.09 | dpkg | dpms is, like, know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 13:03.40 | careta | valdyn, what i don't get is why after an acpid restart it all works perfectly. I guess some kind of environment variable gets set |
| 13:03.54 | valdyn | careta: yea, youre restarting it from X |
| 13:04.04 | valdyn | careta: its probabably inheriting your env |
| 13:04.08 | careta | valdyn, what also does not work till an acpid restart are the desktop notifications |
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| 13:04.50 | Dario_Andres | Hi everyone. What is the proper channel to ask about a packaging issue ? (causing a crash on KDE, python-qt/python-kde related) Thanks in advance |
| 13:04.56 | xinming | For a environment with kerberos + ldap, when we install libnss-ldapd, It pulls in libpam-ldapd, After configuration, the system can login with the info provided from server. But if I disable the LDAP authentication on the client, We can't login anymore, Is this the desired behaivour? |
| 13:05.42 | xinming | I mean, We already have the kerberos authentication, Why do we still need pam authentication enabled for client to login? |
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| 13:06.13 | themill | Dario_Andres: perhaps. #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net might be better though |
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| 13:07.12 | Dario_Andres | themill: ok, thanks :) |
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| 13:16.16 | vy | Hi! I use my Lenovo 3000 N200 resolution set to 1680x1050. When I connect the notebook to a projector and transfer the display via Fn+F7, image gets displayed by the projector vibrates so much that it becomes nearly impossible to select the details. (BTW, this is xorg-server 2:1.4.2-10.lenny2). Any ideas? |
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| 13:16.47 | jelly | vy: does the projector support that resoultion/ |
| 13:16.48 | jelly | ? |
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| 13:17.34 | vy | jelly: I don't think so, but I even don't know if that's the problem actually. |
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| 13:18.17 | vy | Hrm... BTW, I prefer not to close my applications running in the X. Is it possible to restart X without closing existing applications? |
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| 13:18.28 | jelly | vy: if not, use xrandr to select a different one for the relevant output. Use "xrandr" to see which outputs are available, and something like "xrandr --output VGA -s 1024x768" to set a different resolution on output named "VGA" |
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| 13:18.40 | valdyn | vy: not possible |
| 13:19.41 | vy | jelly: Perfect! I'll give it a try. |
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| 13:20.27 | jelly | vy: it's usually possible to start another local X session. Most desktop environment also offer session management (they try to enumerate running windows are restore their states on the next login) |
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| 13:21.13 | digitaloktay | hi debian |
| 13:21.21 | jelly | vy: it's probably best to use the native resolution of your output device |
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| 13:22.24 | digitaloktay | is debian sarge still supported ?? |
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| 13:22.54 | themill | !sarge |
| 13:22.54 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for Debian version 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
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| 13:23.36 | jelly | !+tell digitaloktay -about sarge->etch |
| 13:23.37 | dpkg | told digitaloktay about sarge->etch. |
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| 13:24.20 | digitaloktay | jelly, thx. can i upgrading to lenny from sarge? |
| 13:24.36 | themill | only by upgrading to etch first. |
| 13:25.08 | jelly | !+tell digitaloktay -about etch->lenny |
| 13:25.09 | dpkg | told digitaloktay about etch->lenny. |
| 13:25.13 | jelly | ;-) |
| 13:25.29 | jelly | skipping releases is not supported |
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| 13:26.28 | digitaloktay | hehe sarge -> etch -> lenny :D |
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| 13:31.00 | careta | does anyone know how to specify a colon : in regular expression? |
| 13:31.08 | Cybertinus | I've got 4 network cards in my Debian server. 2 Realteks, and 2 Intels. How can I see which brand is eth0? and eth1, etc. |
| 13:31.10 | vy` | jelly: I tried various resolutions with xrandr but it was still vibrating same, even at 640x480. |
| 13:31.49 | vy` | jelly: Any other recommendations? (BTW, I fiddled with refresh rates but it doesn't accept nothing but 60.) |
| 13:32.08 | themill | dpkg: tell Cybertinus about which ethernet module |
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| 13:32.41 | Titan8990 | careta, uhh... grep ":" file.txt? |
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| 13:33.38 | careta | Titan8990, that works, but it doesn't seem to work with sed |
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| 13:33.57 | Titan8990 | careta, i don't think the colon has meaning in regex so you should specify it... if it did you would escape it "\:" |
| 13:34.08 | Titan8990 | careta, let me see your sed line |
| 13:34.13 | jelly | vy: did anything about the output change, ie. did xrandr actually do anything visible? |
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| 13:34.34 | themill | careta: : doesn't need protecting for sed normally... wayttd? |
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| 13:34.46 | careta | Titan8990, sed 's/dpmsOff: 0:20:00/test/' it just realized it may be the whitespace? |
| 13:34.47 | FredWP | What's the status on removing non-free stuff from the main repository? |
| 13:35.09 | FredWP | themill, do you maybe know? |
| 13:35.15 | jelly | Cybertinus: ethtool -i ethX |
| 13:35.35 | careta | oh yes it is the whitespace, sorry |
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| 13:35.55 | Titan8990 | careta, well, you should escape the whitespace, but from what I am seeing ":", while not valid for regex can be used as a delimiter instead of / |
| 13:35.57 | vy | jelly: It changed the resolution, but nothing more. |
| 13:36.16 | themill | FredWP: meaning? |
| 13:36.24 | FredWP | Erm. |
| 13:36.28 | SUNNYNARULA18 | is eating chicken burgers |
| 13:36.31 | FredWP | Well there are certain non-free things in the main repository. |
| 13:36.41 | FredWP | Which was not a priority to fix with the last stable release. |
| 13:36.47 | jelly | vy: 'k, so you know it worked. Is the other output switched off (as seen with xrandr)? |
| 13:36.48 | themill | FredWP: there shouldn't be. Examples? |
| 13:36.50 | FredWP | I was wondering how the current status is, with getting that resolved? |
| 13:36.55 | FredWP | Hold on themill I'll try to find that |
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| 13:36.59 | Titan8990 | careta, sed 's/dpmsOff\:\ 0:20:00/test/' |
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| 13:37.01 | themill | SUNNYNARULA18: I don't think anyone cares. |
| 13:37.08 | FredWP | themil, what's your staff position? |
| 13:37.10 | Titan8990 | careta, give that a try |
| 13:37.15 | jelly | vy: if it's not, does anything change if you do xrandr --output LVDS (or whatever) --off? |
| 13:37.25 | vy | jelly: Yup, projector output affected by and reflected the screen resolution changes. |
| 13:37.43 | Cybertinus | then themill, I found what I was looking for :) |
| 13:37.43 | SUNNYNARULA18 | doesnt care too |
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| 13:37.59 | Cybertinus | themill: s/then/thnx/ |
| 13:38.13 | vy | jelly: I couldn't use "--output" switch. I just give, e.g., "xrandr --size 1024x768 --rate 60". |
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| 13:38.36 | vy | jelly: I didn't see any other output than "Screen 0" in the "xrandr" output. |
| 13:39.02 | jelly | vy: pastebin the output of just "xrandr" |
| 13:39.05 | newfish | hello |
| 13:39.08 | vy | jelly: I must get to the presentation. Thanks so much for spending time. (I'll be back in 2 hours, and I want to solve this problem.) |
| 13:39.23 | jelly | k' cheers and good luck |
| 13:39.30 | vy | jelly: http://pastebin.com/d2d357857 |
| 13:39.32 | vy | brb |
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| 13:40.44 | newfish | nvidia-kernel-common is updated, but nvidia-glx is not for 190.42 |
| 13:40.49 | FredWP | themill, this for example: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/01/debian-5-release-approaches-binary-blobs-included.ars |
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| 13:41.27 | dannyboy1121 | Advice please. I have a couple of web forms that, when opened (onload event), update system config on a box (web is the only method). I want to cron this from command line ... is there a tool / method that can be used to open a page and will support the onload event handler? |
| 13:41.51 | jelly | vy: ah, so there seems to be only one output visible and it's called "default"... Typically with a more compliant driver (or bios) you'd get something like http://pastebin.com/m377327a4 |
| 13:42.17 | themill | FredWP: blob removal continues. There are still arguments about whether they are non-free software at all, but they are being removed as and when found. |
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| 13:44.50 | jelly | dannyboy1121: I'd track/snoop the web traffic from the browser, find the actual HTTP request used at that time, and try faking it with a simpler tool (wget or curl) |
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| 13:45.39 | dannyboy1121 | jelly: Many thanks |
| 13:45.47 | JAM` | hello |
| 13:46.29 | gooest_007 | Can you help me to fix: "Failed to determine the codename for the release." in install? |
| 13:46.41 | FredWP | themill, so besides non-free and contrib, it's completely free according to GNU/FSF policies? |
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| 13:47.47 | jelly | FredWP: no, it's free according to DFSG, and the two differ in some aspects. |
| 13:48.05 | jelly | notably, GFDL |
| 13:48.09 | themill | FredWP: I presume that there are still some firmware blobs being worked upon. |
| 13:48.27 | Titan8990 | GNU document license for example is considered non-free by the dfsg |
| 13:48.38 | FredWP | Because gNewSense 3.0 will be basically Debian but freed. |
| 13:48.47 | jelly | FredWP: yay for them! |
| 13:48.54 | FredWP | Besides contrib, non-free and the firmware blobs, I do not understand what's not free about Debian then. |
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| 13:49.22 | FredWP | jelly, that's not the point, they simply will go along as the free Debian, but I'm still confused how Debian without contrib/non-free/blobs is not free. |
| 13:49.41 | themill | FredWP: being an FSF project, they *won't* think that GFDL stuff is non-free for starters. |
| 13:50.14 | FredWP | Hmm how is GFDL not free, and what's more free (excuse me for my gnunieness, but I'm trying to learn about it :))? |
| 13:50.29 | Titan8990 | !gfdl |
| 13:50.29 | dpkg | [gfdl] The GNU "Free" Documentation License, considered <non-free> by Debian in some cases. Read the discussion at http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200309/msg00169.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2003/debian-legal-200304/msg00246.html. See the position statement at http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html and resolution at http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 |
| 13:50.30 | themill | !gfdl |
| 13:50.39 | FredWP | Ah, convenient! ^^ |
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| 13:51.18 | jelly | ... well, not having glibc manual in a distro that calls itself GNU/Linux is hardly convenient |
| 13:51.49 | jelly | who writes C code anyway! |
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| 13:52.44 | Titan8990 | jelly, lol I spent 5 hours last night writting c code.... i am now slightly less sane than before! |
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| 13:53.36 | jelly | administer 1cc of caffeine 1% solution, stat! |
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| 13:54.19 | jelly | !coffee Titan8990 |
| 13:54.20 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of hippy-blend International Roast Caterers Blend for Titan8990, courtesy of jelly |
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| 13:56.42 | ajay | hi,as per http://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation i want to create or if already created .deb is vaialble of qemu-binfmt*.deb,qemu-user-static*.deb can anyone please tell me from where i can get this for squeeze? |
| 13:57.19 | ajay | patches avaialble are not working because of these are for old source |
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| 14:00.29 | CuBe0wL | hi all! I'd like to file a bug report, but I'm not sure where to send it. My problem is with imagej and KDE4, both installed from testing repo. It seems, imagej crashes ocassionaly while compositing is enabled, rendering my desktop like this: http://pics.nexuizninjaz.com/images/no8rfi6sk8rwvuugk2ly.png |
| 14:00.40 | CuBe0wL | where should I send the report to ? |
| 14:01.30 | CuBe0wL | also,I have an Nvidia card, and the nvidia driver is instlled from nvidia.com |
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| 14:05.57 | ajay | where can get qemu-binfmt*.deb,qemu-user-static*.deb |
| 14:06.44 | ajay | these packages need for support for differenet arch and emulation.i am using sqeeze |
| 14:09.12 | Titan8990 | ajay, lol you provided US with a link on how to do it.... |
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| 14:10.21 | jelly | Titan8990: he's working under the assumption that someone here is able to help figure out what's wrong with a howto written on wiki.d.o |
| 14:10.21 | ajay | Titan8990, yes but in that it is mentioned for etch .i took source from squeeze but patches what mentioned for etch is not working for latest source |
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| 14:11.25 | Titan8990 | ajay, ah, then sounds like they need someone motivated like you to figure it out and update the wiki :p |
| 14:12.06 | hoo-hah | hi guys, is it possible to look at a .deb package, and see if any of it's dependencies are met and/or are available for install? |
| 14:12.10 | hoo-hah | is there a tool for that? |
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| 14:12.29 | ajay | jelly, no i was searching patch for latest source |
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| 14:21.52 | rgr | On debian testing the gnome volume control mute button actually resets the level to 0. Is there a way around this? What it should do, IMO, is mute it and then when you unmute the level returns to the previous configured value. |
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| 14:26.45 | FredWP | What one prefer for a desktop? |
| 14:26.48 | FredWP | Stable or testing? |
| 14:26.57 | FredWP | Frequent desktop use and programming. |
| 14:27.04 | FredWP | Or sid? |
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| 14:28.03 | oggei | testing is a good starting point imho |
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| 14:28.16 | FredWP | I've used that in the past, was pretty happy. |
| 14:28.22 | FredWP | But I like very up-to-date. |
| 14:28.26 | FredWP | If it doesn't harm critically. |
| 14:28.51 | hoo-hah | is it possible to view outsanding bugs for all installed packages? |
| 14:28.55 | oggei | for sid, the question is to be ready for fixing, although it doesn't happen very frequently |
| 14:29.04 | hoo-hah | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.07 | themill | FredWP: if you want to get work done rather than futz about, stick to stable or stable+backports. |
| 14:29.13 | oggei | but when big transition happens, maybe you have to fix, downgrade or so |
| 14:29.14 | pigdude | Is there a way to make it so that new files created by certain users are 664 rather than 644? |
| 14:29.21 | FredWP | I like fuzz themill. |
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| 14:29.28 | FredWP | I would be very happy to help and report bugs, staying up-to-date. |
| 14:29.32 | FredWP | As long as it does not harm criticaly. |
| 14:29.40 | FredWP | I see programmers usually have sid as their main, and are happy. |
| 14:29.46 | oggei | it depends a lot on your setup, also |
| 14:29.48 | themill | FredWP: If you've got spare time on your hands and want to be part of the development effort and don't mind a bumpy ride every now and then, try testing. |
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| 14:30.03 | FredWP | I really don't like stable that much for a frequent desktop, because I really hate bugs, I want to report them and have them fixed quickly. |
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| 14:30.13 | FredWP | So, testing you recommend? |
| 14:30.19 | hoo-hah | FredWP: security updates and backports |
| 14:30.19 | oggei | atm, i can't upgrade kernel because no -xen after 2.6.26, but with no 2.6.30 no newer xorg cause no intel uxa (new accelleration) |
| 14:30.21 | FredWP | If I understand correctly. |
| 14:30.30 | FredWP | Whatever doesn't get stopped in sid, gets into testing after 2 weeks, right? |
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| 14:30.47 | themill | FredWP: fixing those sorts of bugs normally requires upstream to do something and that might require you to wait until the next release anyway... |
| 14:30.55 | FredWP | Hmmm. |
| 14:30.58 | themill | 10 days, normally |
| 14:31.09 | FredWP | So basically testing is a safer sid, with a 10 day delay. |
| 14:31.16 | FredWP | And what's not critical, goes through. |
| 14:31.21 | FredWP | To testing, after 10 days? |
| 14:31.23 | FredWP | Correct? |
| 14:31.26 | oggei | no |
| 14:31.29 | FredWP | Hmmm. |
| 14:31.31 | FredWP | Correct me. ;p |
| 14:31.31 | oggei | :P |
| 14:31.50 | FredWP | Wait ok. |
| 14:31.52 | FredWP | Let me re-recap. |
| 14:31.58 | oggei | it's nor a rule |
| 14:32.05 | themill | !enter |
| 14:32.06 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 14:32.21 | FredWP | Stable = decent if you don't want to be bothered with technical stuff much, want to get your job done. Good for servers (very decent security dedication). |
| 14:32.22 | FredWP | correct? |
| 14:32.49 | FredWP | Testing is like more up-to-date, not so security dedicated as stable, but still good for daily deskttop use, for the more advanced user? |
| 14:32.49 | themill | FredWP: also excellent for desktops. All my machines (laptops, desktops and servers) run stable. |
| 14:33.00 | oggei | testing branch is also covered by debian security team work |
| 14:33.01 | G-Farkas | Hi, I need Help. I'd been using the nvidia drivers from the nvidia.com . After update xorg I can't use openGL anymore, I tried reinstalling the drivers but I can't for something related to kernel headers (but I installed it and the the kernel sources). Now I cant use X at all , Help please |
| 14:33.05 | FredWP | I see. |
| 14:33.05 | themill | oggei: no it's not |
| 14:33.14 | FredWP | In any case I won't be using contrib or non-free by the way. |
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| 14:33.25 | FredWP | I want the most free stuff, never any non-free or contrib |
| 14:33.26 | oggei | themill: yes, it is |
| 14:33.30 | FredWP | So that I'll skip during expert install. |
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| 14:33.35 | themill | dpkg: tell oggei about testing security |
| 14:33.46 | themill | FredWP: testing is fine as long you're happy for a bumpy ride every now and then. "Testing is called testing for a reason" |
| 14:33.53 | FredWP | Hmmm. |
| 14:33.59 | FredWP | I'll go for testing on my main then. :) |
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| 14:34.26 | oggei | themill: normally there is |
| 14:34.28 | FredWP | I really like Debian, but I left it for gNewSense a long time ago because of the non-free stuff I been hearing about. |
| 14:34.38 | themill | oggei: there hasn't been since the lenny release. |
| 14:34.44 | FredWP | But if Debian is dedicated to keep the main repository free, then I'll go for it again. |
| 14:35.03 | FredWP | And then again, gNewSense is less strict on documents. |
| 14:35.10 | FredWP | While Debian is more strict (coming down to freedom). |
| 14:35.27 | hoo-hah | themill: I think I somehow got one security update today |
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| 14:35.35 | oggei | themill: i don't care anyway, i use sid :D |
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| 14:35.48 | FredWP | oggei, what's your experience with sid? |
| 14:35.53 | FredWP | Use it as daily desktop? |
| 14:35.55 | themill | oggei: that's nice. Don't provide misinformation to others then. |
| 14:35.57 | oggei | yes |
| 14:36.03 | FredWP | Hmmm. |
| 14:36.04 | FredWP | Well. |
| 14:36.06 | FredWP | Hmmmm. |
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| 14:36.17 | FredWP | I'll read some more, maybe I'll start with sid, if I bump into issues I don't like, go to testing. |
| 14:36.19 | themill | FredWP: "if you have to ask you shouldn't". |
| 14:36.42 | hoo-hah | FredWP: that's a bit of a waste of time, though, right? |
| 14:36.43 | FredWP | Because lots of people have different opinions about it. |
| 14:36.49 | FredWP | I think I'll learn it the hard way. :P |
| 14:36.54 | G-Farkas | Guys, how it is that Install nvidia-glx needs uninstall xorg??! |
| 14:36.55 | FredWP | Why is that hoo-hah? |
| 14:36.59 | hoo-hah | FredWP: you're almost guaranteed to bump into issues |
| 14:37.03 | FredWP | I'm a technical user. |
| 14:37.18 | FredWP | When I was in Windows, I was pretty advanced to expert, but that was at Windows level! |
| 14:37.24 | FredWP | I'm a gnubie in GNU/Linux. |
| 14:37.30 | FredWP | But I like to learn fast, and get to a decent level. |
| 14:37.35 | FredWP | So I'm not too afraid of breaking stuff. |
| 14:37.45 | FredWP | I really like to get technical. ^^ |
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| 14:38.05 | FredWP | And contribute to Debian in the future once I'm more settled with the programming languages frequently used within GNU/Linux. :) |
| 14:38.08 | hoo-hah | that's what most people say, right up until the point where their stuff starts to break |
| 14:38.12 | themill | FredWP: then don't run sid just yet. Wait until you have a good enough understanding of how debian packaging works so you can unbreak your machine _when_ you need to. /msg dpkg sid |
| 14:38.19 | hoo-hah | but I think that's for #debian-chat |
| 14:38.21 | FredWP | Hmmm |
| 14:38.23 | FredWP | ok. |
| 14:38.26 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 14:38.26 | hoo-hah | or whatever the offtopic channel is |
| 14:38.30 | FredWP | Final decision, I'll go with themill. :) |
| 14:38.34 | FredWP | And we'll see! |
| 14:38.36 | themill | yay! |
| 14:38.39 | FredWP | In the future I'll give sid a shot. |
| 14:38.43 | FredWP | First learn. :) |
| 14:38.53 | themill | yes |
| 14:38.53 | JAM` | hello, I'm trying to set up FTP on my debian server and I'm kinda confused, I read one tutorial about but in the comments everyone is suggesting completely different things so I'm not sure which way to go now :x |
| 14:38.54 | FredWP | I started with stable, but then moved to testing, and I was really satisfied. |
| 14:39.10 | oggei | i really don't understand why there is always who knows The Truth about this sort of things <g> |
| 14:39.14 | FredWP | But left in grief, with all the non-free things that were going around. :( |
| 14:39.26 | FredWP | oggei, I don't want for regulars to argue do to me. ;p |
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| 14:39.29 | hoo-hah | FredWP: if your cpu supports it, virtualise |
| 14:39.32 | FredWP | Everyone has their own opinions and experiences. :) |
| 14:39.43 | JAM` | hmm |
| 14:39.46 | FredWP | I guess it's best for a gnubie to take the general advice, take it easy now, break stuff later! |
| 14:39.47 | oggei | partition your machine with a separated /home and reinstall couple of time per hour, or not |
| 14:40.09 | FredWP | I'm on a Lemote Yeeloong rtight now (MIPS based). |
| 14:40.21 | FredWP | But I might get a x86_64 device again. |
| 14:40.50 | FredWP | Maybe go for a coreboot machine! |
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| 14:41.14 | JAM` | I'd like to do coreboot |
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| 14:41.22 | FredWP | Anyway, thanks so far for te advice themill, oggei, it's very much apreciated. |
| 14:41.35 | JAM` | I forgot all about that and I'm building a new PC soon, I should take that into account when I'm choosing a motherboard |
| 14:41.48 | FredWP | Hehe JAM`. |
| 14:41.51 | FredWP | The only issue I run into. |
| 14:41.54 | FredWP | Availability! |
| 14:42.01 | JAM` | yer |
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| 14:42.14 | FredWP | AMD seems to be favored for coreboot desktops, but they're all AM2 or lower, most shops do AM3 only. :( |
| 14:42.23 | JAM` | last time I check the official list of supported motherboards on the coreboot website wasn't very long ;o |
| 14:42.50 | FredWP | If it wasn't for the availability issue I'd be already building! |
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| 14:43.20 | Honeyman | Hello. Anyone uses "joe" editor here? Got a bunch of questions. |
| 14:43.31 | FredWP | I'm liking it already here. |
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| 14:43.44 | pigdude | Is there a way to make it so that new files created by certain users are 664 rather than 644? |
| 14:43.48 | JAM` | if I set up my FTP so that it defaults to the different users home directories, how can I allow some users to a couple of folders in /var/www/ where the web stuff is being hosted? |
| 14:44.03 | FredWP | But I really hope Debian takes it decently on the free part, I been hearing it allows non-free stuff through too easily, and considers some firmware blobs as valid for the GPL license. |
| 14:44.13 | FredWP | So that definitely confused me, and still does a bit. |
| 14:44.23 | Honeyman | 1. In "joe", is it possible to display the whitespaces characters somehow to distinguish between tabs and spaces? (for example, like in mcedit) |
| 14:44.25 | hoo-hah | pigdude: umask in skel files |
| 14:44.46 | hoo-hah | Honeyman: better off asking elsewhere |
| 14:45.00 | hoo-hah | ##linux or any official joe support chan |
| 14:45.31 | FredWP | Hmmmm. |
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| 14:45.44 | FredWP | Anyway, so I'll be setting up Debian testing on my MIPS device very soon. |
| 14:45.45 | pigdude | hoo-hah, sorry, could you please explain that a bit more? I don't have a file at /etc/skel/umask |
| 14:46.05 | Honeyman | hoo-hah: thanks, will try it on #linux |
| 14:46.19 | hoo-hah | pigdude: umask is a built-in function of shell |
| 14:46.22 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.37 | themill | FredWP: Debian's priority is its users -- not making a release for many years because they're still trying to fiddle with kernel firmware doesn't help the users at all. Reality and ideals have to meet somewhere and compromises end up being made. |
| 14:47.16 | FredWP | But the philosophy is what made it so great today. :) |
| 14:47.29 | FredWP | That's what I care about. |
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| 14:47.34 | FredWP | It brings a lot of technical advantages. |
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| 14:48.13 | pigdude | hoo-hah, (1) are you saying this should be set in /etc/profile? (2) In what format should the mode be passed in? `umask -S` prints "u=rwx,g=rx,o=rx" |
| 14:48.18 | themill | FredWP: yes, but you still end up with a compromise between what is feasible today with the people and resources that are available and where you'd prefer to be eventually. |
| 14:48.20 | FredWP | As long as they clearly separate it for now I'm happy, who knows in the future we might not need contrib and non-free anymore. |
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| 14:48.32 | hoo-hah | Martin Krafft's (sp?) book should be good reading for you |
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| 14:48.46 | rgr | themill: possibly you can help. I have exhausted my limited experience and dont know where to look. I have shared a top level dir using nfs. I can mount it on the client just fine. It contains 7 dirs. All of the them are the same owner and the same permissions on the server. However ONE of the directories and one only appears as owned by root only on the client which has connected to the nfs share. Any idea at all where I could start to |
| 14:48.46 | rgr | track this down please? |
| 14:48.48 | hoo-hah | FredWP: ^ |
| 14:48.49 | FredWP | But I understand themill. |
| 14:48.56 | lsbrum | Hello all. |
| 14:49.01 | FredWP | Is anyone experienced with MIPS? |
| 14:49.07 | lsbrum | I have an issue, let me explain.. |
| 14:49.12 | FredWP | I can choose between "mips" and "mipsel". |
| 14:49.35 | lsbrum | I have DarkIce and i need some king of emulation for /dev/dsp device. |
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| 14:49.51 | lsbrum | Because i use ALSA. |
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| 14:50.08 | themill | FredWP: Personally, I'd actually prefer to have these blobs around rather than the old situation where you had them embedded within the device as firmware that required a windows-only app to flash the new firmware onto the device and risk bricking it every time you did so. |
| 14:50.19 | hoo-hah | pigdude: it'd go in /etc/skel/{profile,bashrc, whatever..} |
| 14:50.37 | FredWP | That's personal preference themill. :) |
| 14:50.38 | hoo-hah | er, those should be dotfiles |
| 14:50.41 | lsbrum | Someone? |
| 14:50.43 | FredWP | I'm very ethical minded, and rather not. |
| 14:50.46 | themill | rgr: nfs? watch me run away screaming and hide under a rock somewhere.... |
| 14:50.46 | pigdude | hoo-hah, thanks |
| 14:50.54 | rgr | ok ... :-; |
| 14:51.10 | themill | FredWP: you'd rather the exact same firmware was just "burned" onto the device somehow? |
| 14:51.26 | FredWP | I'd rather get hardware that has free firmware. |
| 14:51.30 | FredWP | Such as my current Yeeloong. ^^ |
| 14:51.30 | rgr | driving me nuts this is as I like to use my thinkpad as a wireless movie console! Its only the video dir that is empty and owned by root on the client. No idea why. |
| 14:51.41 | themill | FredWP: now that's something that the debian project can't help you with... |
| 14:51.42 | FredWP | BIOS (PMON2000) is free, so is the VGA driver and wireless driver. |
| 14:51.46 | hoo-hah | pigdude: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-files.html#s10.7.5 |
| 14:51.48 | pigdude | hoo-hah, what about the permission format? I certainly hope this is not true: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/understanding-linux-unix-umask-value-usage.html |
| 14:52.04 | FredWP | But now. |
| 14:52.12 | FredWP | I really am trying to figure out mips vs mipsel. |
| 14:52.24 | hoo-hah | umask can be numeric e.g umask 077 for the paranoid |
| 14:52.57 | hoo-hah | pigdude: what shouldn't be true? |
| 14:53.20 | themill | FredWP: http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ |
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| 14:54.33 | pigdude | hoo-hah, that umask prefers some odd subtraction scheme over simply allowing an explicit value |
| 14:54.52 | lavamind | hello, I'm trying to figure out how to recompile php5 on debian with the mssql extension compiled against FreeTDS nightly version |
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| 14:55.23 | lavamind | I'm struggling to figure out the correct modifications to make to php5 source debian/rules files |
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| 14:55.31 | hoo-hah | pigdude: you better believe it is :P |
| 14:56.22 | lavamind | I don't understand where I need to have or remove --without-mssql switch and --with-mssql=shared,/usr/local/freetds |
| 14:56.28 | hoo-hah | pigdude: read your question again: did you want to have different umask for different users? |
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| 14:57.06 | pigdude | hoo-hah, based on a pattern (not random), but yes |
| 14:57.15 | hoo-hah | lavamind: at the ./configure line, maybe? |
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| 14:57.51 | lavamind | hoo-hah: I'm trying to use dpkg-buildpackage, because I need a .deb package |
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| 14:59.33 | FredWP | themill, I'm still confused, I don't know whether to pick mips (big endian) or mipsel (small endian), apparently MIPS cpus support both. |
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| 15:03.51 | themill | lavamind: there are four places "../configure" is called in debian/rules; you can either add your options to those places or to the COMMON_CONFIG variable as appropriate. |
| 15:04.13 | pigdude | hoo-hah, that wasn't so bad, just `umask 0002` :) |
| 15:04.21 | FredWP | themill, are you still there? |
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| 15:04.41 | themill | FredWP: no |
| 15:04.47 | lavamind | themill: if I add --with-mssql to COMMON_CONFIG, do I need to also remove --without-mssql everywhere ? |
| 15:04.49 | FredWP | D; |
| 15:04.58 | FredWP | I'll go for mipsel then, little endian. |
| 15:05.11 | themill | lavamind: I would assume so. |
| 15:05.20 | FredWP | Thanks again themill, and others. |
| 15:05.22 | FredWP | I'm off for now. |
| 15:05.30 | FredWP | Hopefully see you soon! (on Debian ;)) |
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| 15:06.12 | lavamind | themill: I don't understand why theres a --with-mssql and a --without-mssql ... |
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| 15:07.01 | themill | lavamind: why wouldn't there be? |
| 15:07.01 | lavamind | usually, omitting the switch will prevent compiling against a library, but in php it doesn't seem to work that way ... |
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| 15:08.24 | themill | lavamind: COMMON_CONFIG sets if for all compilation runs except those where it is overridden for some reason. |
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| 15:09.55 | bobo_b | hi |
| 15:10.14 | bobo_b | does anybody know anything about the debian-specific apache2? |
| 15:10.35 | Titan8990 | what about it? |
| 15:11.24 | bobo_b | i upgraded from etch to lenny with dist-upgrade and it broke my config, #httpd says it's debian specific |
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| 15:11.56 | bobo_b | Titan8990: in the init script ther is a line "PIDFILE=`. /etc/apache2/envvars ;", but in etch there was no directory envvars |
| 15:12.29 | themill | bobo_b: did this upgrade also change you from apache 1.3 to apache 2.2? (or were you already using apache2 with etch?) |
| 15:12.33 | Titan8990 | bobo_b, did etch use a split-config file setup or was it all httpd.conf? |
| 15:13.18 | bobo_b | themill: both apache2 |
| 15:13.25 | bobo_b | Titan8990: split |
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| 15:14.53 | themill | bobo_b: /etc/apache2/envvars should be created by the installation of the apache2.2-common package -- make sure you have the lenny version of it. |
| 15:15.33 | bobo_b | themill: dpkg -l gives me "rc apache-common 1.3.34-4.1+etch1" |
| 15:15.49 | bobo_b | themill: so i guess i don't...? |
| 15:15.59 | bobo_b | shouldn't dist-upgrade have handled that? |
| 15:16.28 | bobo_b | themill: ah sorry, there we go: "ii apache2.2-common 2.2.9-10+lenny4" |
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| 15:16.49 | bobo_b | themill: i chose "keep old config" though |
| 15:17.02 | Titan8990 | bobo_b, do you still have etch sources? |
| 15:18.05 | bobo_b | Titan8990: i'm not sure what you mean, sorry |
| 15:18.22 | Justin | bobo_b: envvars is not a directory, it is a file |
| 15:18.38 | bobo_b | Justin: oh |
| 15:18.52 | bobo_b | i'll just try reinstalling the commom package then |
| 15:18.55 | Justin | and such a file does exist on etch |
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| 15:21.41 | bobo_b | Justin: a reinstall of apache2 after renaming the old config directory gave me a brand new /etc/apache2 without envvars |
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| 15:22.05 | bobo_b | Justin: oh are you saying my /etc/init.d/apache2 might be the problem? |
| 15:22.10 | Justin | no |
| 15:22.26 | Justin | !+confmiss |
| 15:22.27 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 15:22.34 | mynd | I use a clamscan command to scan my root directory and log the output, however, when I put this command into crontab it fails...so I created a shell script that I call from crontab, however, it gives this error: LibClamAV Error: cli_loaddb(): No supported database files found in /tmp/clamav-0e18b2a0d117ae90a92efbd95af58be5 |
| 15:22.34 | Justin | do that |
| 15:22.37 | mynd | any thoughts? |
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| 15:22.44 | Justin | and in the future don't delete your config files |
| 15:23.10 | mynd | but if I call the shell script from the terminal it works just fine |
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| 15:24.44 | `GMF` | is there anyone who know why the hell my terminal has a strange behavior with putty ? |
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| 15:24.49 | `GMF` | =) |
| 15:25.09 | mjmt_ | bobo_b: Dunno if I got through earlier... |
| 15:25.10 | Titan8990 | what strange behavior? |
| 15:25.13 | mjmt_ | 02:16 <mjmt> THat might be it... apache2 doesn't seem to depend on apache2-common (which has the envvars script). |
| 15:25.13 | mjmt_ | 02:19 <mjmt> (On etch. unstable's does.) |
| 15:25.27 | `GMF` | when i do "arrow up" when the command in the bash_history is quiet long the terminal goes crazy and the cursor position suck |
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| 15:26.40 | `GMF` | :~# ls -al /usr/local/virtual/somethinglikethat |
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| 15:27.02 | `GMF` | :~# ls -al /usr/local/virtls -al |
| 15:27.22 | `GMF` | you see the second paste is the next arrow up after the first one |
| 15:27.22 | bobo_b | mjmt_: you didn't |
| 15:27.24 | bobo_b | :-) |
| 15:27.46 | `GMF` | just the cursor went weird |
| 15:28.10 | bobo_b | Justin: why would i delete config files? it worked before dist-upgrade and didn't after, so it's pretty obvious who's fault it is |
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| 15:28.38 | bobo_b | Justin: i just found that there is actually a file, called "envvars.dpkg-dist" |
| 15:28.54 | bobo_b | but i don't know why it got that name |
| 15:29.22 | bobo_b | Justin: anyway, your method worked just fine, so thanks a lot, httpd is back and running :-) |
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| 15:32.04 | Justin | bobo_b: lol |
| 15:32.10 | Justin | bobo_b: it got that name because you deleted the original one |
| 15:32.24 | Justin | and whe it asked you if you wanted to replace it with the one shipped with the package, you said no |
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| 15:34.21 | bobo_b | Justin: well, if i deletet it that was months ago and it was running without just fine in etch :-) |
| 15:34.30 | mjmt | Amusingly that script does absolutely nothing. |
| 15:34.45 | themill | it's used by apache2ctl |
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| 15:35.03 | Justin | mjmt: it's not a script |
| 15:35.23 | bobo_b | shell script? |
| 15:35.29 | mjmt | It's pulled into a shell with . |
| 15:35.37 | Justin | # envvars - default environment variables for apache2ctl |
| 15:35.38 | P_Kable | Hello, I have space problems on a prod server |
| 15:35.43 | Justin | it doesn't claim to do anything |
| 15:35.59 | P_Kable | is there a good way to view what's taking space in the terminal please ? |
| 15:36.04 | mjmt | It contains comments beginning with '#'. |
| 15:36.05 | mjmt | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.12 | Justin | P_Kable: du -acx /path | sort -n |
| 15:36.15 | themill | Justin: what would you call a set of sh-compliant commands that are in a file and executed by /bin/sh then? |
| 15:36.23 | \amethyst | mjmt: it's not intended to be executed, though, but rather sourced |
| 15:36.25 | P_Kable | Justin, thx path= ? |
| 15:36.31 | Justin | P_Kable: oh dear |
| 15:36.33 | \amethyst | mjmt: when executed it has no net effect |
| 15:36.35 | P_Kable | lol |
| 15:36.40 | P_Kable | Justin, partution |
| 15:36.44 | P_Kable | partition ? |
| 15:37.33 | P_Kable | Justin, I get troubles on / |
| 15:37.41 | P_Kable | path = / ? |
| 15:37.46 | P_Kable | jsut wanna make sure* |
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| 15:42.15 | P_Kable | Justin, thx it helps but takes time :) I think I will send it to a file with > sort |
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| 15:42.38 | Justin | probably should add | tail -n 10000 then or so |
| 15:42.57 | P_Kable | yes thx |
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| 15:45.12 | cirwin | if I use apt-get -t unstable to install a package, will it hereafter always try to install the unstable version, or, when the unstable version gets into testing will it stick with the testing copy? |
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| 15:45.32 | jelly | cirwin: the latter |
| 15:45.46 | themill | (unless you have some funky pinning for the package) |
| 15:45.47 | cirwin | yay |
| 15:46.08 | cirwin | no, I have not the apt-foo for pinning |
| 15:46.24 | jelly | cirwin: corolary: the package won't get updated until testing gets a version higher than what you installed |
| 15:46.37 | cirwin | jelly: that's the behaviour I want |
| 15:46.46 | krion | someone is running dhcpd 3.1.1 with error dhcp.tftp-server-name unknow option ? |
| 15:47.19 | cirwin | I'm only installing it because the bug is more annoying than normal - I'd not usually mix-and-match |
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| 15:49.27 | Justin | krion: usually the tftp server is set via 'next-server' |
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| 15:50.54 | krion | Justin: on my 3.0.1 i got that options who's working fine |
| 15:51.00 | krion | i'll look for changelog about it |
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| 15:58.24 | HTT-Bird | ugh. where oh where did the package in non-free for the Broadcom STA driver go? |
| 15:59.17 | HTT-Bird | http://codepad.org/fTeK91JP <-- and I get this when trying to build the driver download from Broadcom's site |
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| 16:00.13 | themill | !dbugs 551364 |
| 16:00.21 | dpkg | DONE:#551364:N[ftp.debian.org] RM: broadcom-sta -- RoQA; obsolete, not updated for new kernel version (); Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:03:02 UTC [] |
| 16:00.35 | abrotman | isn't it the wl driver now ? |
| 16:00.50 | HTT-Bird | yeah, it's also known as wl |
| 16:01.05 | themill | that *is* the wl driver |
| 16:01.34 | themill | HTT-Bird: squeeze? sid? |
| 16:01.38 | HTT-Bird | squeeze |
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| 16:02.11 | themill | HTT-Bird: apparently the sid kernel supports these devices with the b43 driver. (See that bug log and http://wiki.debian.org/wl) |
| 16:02.33 | HTT-Bird | however, the OP in 551364 is incorrect: b43 support for the BCM4312 (14e4:4315) and its LP-PHY driver is not available in 2.6.31 |
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| 16:02.55 | HTT-Bird | it will be available in 2.6.32 kernels (indeed, 2.6.32-rcX kernels do provide LP-PHY support |
| 16:03.06 | HTT-Bird | *LP-PHY (not LP-PHY driver :P) |
| 16:03.31 | themill | HTT-Bird: that the broadcom supplied driver doesn't build against 2.6.31 onwards is also an issue though |
| 16:03.48 | HTT-Bird | heh |
| 16:04.05 | HTT-Bird | broadcom put out a new release: 5.10.91.9.3 |
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| 16:04.24 | HTT-Bird | that supports the 2.6.31 kernel according to its readme file |
| 16:04.44 | themill | that's a few too many version submicrorevision parts for me |
| 16:05.00 | vy | jelly: I asked the projector problem to a friend of mine who had the same lenovo notebook, and he told similar stories. (Default driver doesn't work properly, neither xrandr fiddlings...) He finally had installed proprierty nvidia drivers and successfully used nvidia-settings app bundled with the drivers package to utilize any screen stuff, including projectors. |
| 16:05.18 | HTT-Bird | themill, what kernel does sid use these days btw? |
| 16:05.28 | themill | judd kernels --release sid |
| 16:05.29 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2) |
| 16:05.44 | HTT-Bird | so, the bug's OP is not quite correct |
| 16:06.47 | HTT-Bird | you think I should try the wireless-testing kernel? |
| 16:06.52 | jelly | vy: sounds reasonable if there's a nvidia card in there |
| 16:07.03 | HTT-Bird | (because that, like 2.6.32-rcX, supports LP-PHYs in b43 |
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| 16:10.16 | HTT-Bird | themill, or should I try making the latest wl-sta from upstream work instead? |
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| 16:15.17 | krion | Justin: looks like your exactly right https://lists.isc.org/mailman/htdig/dhcp-users/2006-October/001899.html |
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| 16:27.48 | darrh00 | As to bug 466120 and 427804,It's been almost two years since bash's info removed from bash-doc package.I am wondering whether this ITP has been ignored at all.why is it so difficult to get non-DFSG things intro Debian? |
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| 16:31.42 | \amethyst | darrh00: perhaps you could ask the owner of the ITP bug what's holding up the package |
| 16:34.47 | themill | darrh00, \amethyst: I'm in contact with the owner of that ITP about other packages and have just pinging him. |
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| 16:35.47 | HTT-Bird | themill, so, should I try to get the broadcom-sta driver from Broadcom's site to build, or should I just give up and start running wireless-testing? |
| 16:36.24 | themill | HTT-Bird: no idea. I've never tried either as I don't have the hardware. |
| 16:36.36 | HTT-Bird | ah. |
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| 16:36.58 | HTT-Bird | I take it you were able to get an Intel or Atheros chip (or Ralink, or ...) |
| 16:36.59 | HTT-Bird | ? |
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| 16:37.08 | lhx_ | sup |
| 16:37.13 | HTT-Bird | hey |
| 16:37.40 | themill | HTT-Bird: Intel wireless chips for all the laptops I deal with, yes. |
| 16:37.55 | lhx_ | how is it out there in debainland? |
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| 16:38.18 | HTT-Bird | lhx_, a little bit sucky for those of us with LP-PHY Broadcom cards |
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| 16:38.58 | lhx_ | HTT-Bird: sorry bout that - I ran into broadcom issues back in the day when I was on archlinux. I used to make ndiswrapper my bitch. |
| 16:39.21 | Titan8990 | !wl |
| 16:39.21 | dpkg | [wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only. Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (PCI-Id 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB"). To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl . For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>. See also <bcm4312>. |
| 16:39.24 | HTT-Bird | lhx_, yeah, I've been using broadcom-sta lately, but now it's no longer in the repos and won't build cleanly from the upstream sources |
| 16:39.46 | HTT-Bird | http://codepad.org/fTeK91JP <-- this is the error I get |
| 16:41.00 | HTT-Bird | ...and I can't use the 2.6.30-1 version because it won't load on 2.6.30-2 :p |
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| 16:45.42 | _Lirezh | I had exim wrong configured, now I have 70 mails "frozen" because remote domains were not supported. how can i get them going again ? |
| 16:45.46 | _Lirezh | I configured it to allow relay |
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| 16:48.27 | lhx_ | Texou: you a longhorn or a sooner? |
| 16:48.45 | HTT-Bird | or a Red Raider...or an Aggie...or a Cowpoke...or even a Bear? |
| 16:48.46 | HTT-Bird | :p |
| 16:48.51 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 16:49.05 | lhx_ | HTT-Bird: how about yourself? |
| 16:49.23 | lhx_ | (just figued tex or ou b/c of the nick) |
| 16:49.26 | HTT-Bird | :p |
| 16:49.27 | HTT-Bird | lol |
| 16:49.30 | lhx_ | xD |
| 16:49.39 | HTT-Bird | pokes lhx_ and points him http://codepad.org/fTeK91JP |
| 16:49.43 | HTT-Bird | *points him at |
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| 16:51.39 | lhx_ | HTT-Bird: what do you want me to do with that? |
| 16:52.04 | HTT-Bird | lhx_: hopefully you can tell me how to get past that error |
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| 16:52.35 | lhx_ | HTT-Bird: I'm sorry buddy... I'm just an avid user, but no programming background. |
| 16:52.48 | HTT-Bird | ah |
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| 16:53.14 | module000 | HTT-Bird: your makefile is malformed |
| 16:53.15 | lhx_ | if anything - line 3 isn't finding anything in that directory |
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| 16:53.36 | module000 | HTT-Bird: (or nonexistant) |
| 16:53.51 | HTT-Bird | module000, tell Broadcom that :) (not my makefile :p) |
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| 16:54.05 | lhx_ | HTT-Bird: go read the makefile maybe? |
| 16:54.11 | module000 | HTT-Bird: that "-C /lib/moduels...blahblah" tells it to change to that directory and execute a makefile there, and it's not finding it |
| 16:54.18 | HTT-Bird | yeah |
| 16:54.29 | module000 | HTT-Bird: do you have kernel headers installed? that's where they populate |
| 16:54.50 | HTT-Bird | module000, that might be the issue, let me check |
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| 16:55.17 | djkm | abrotman: i followed your procedure that you gave yesterday. sarge to etch... and now i got that : http://pastebin.com/d73509d44 whats wrong? |
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| 16:55.38 | rgr | anyone here aware of what might be causing an older model thinkpad (x30) to lock solid sometimes when the screen blanks? |
| 16:55.42 | rgr | (lenny) |
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| 16:57.11 | module000 | rgr: suspend? hibernate? x11? console? details? |
| 16:57.14 | rgr | and a network connection question : what would be the best way to have ma thinkpad auto logon to the wireless network prior to any individual logging in? In the case of a remote rebbot I need it to go back online automatically. Currently using gnome-network-manager with wpa. |
| 16:57.35 | cahoot | wicd |
| 16:57.40 | rgr | module000: when the screen blanks. could be screensaver or lowering the lid. Yes I can disable it I know. |
| 16:57.45 | HTT-Bird | module000, indeed, it was kernel headers :p |
| 16:57.58 | lhx_ | HTT-Bird: hurray |
| 16:58.24 | rgr | cahoot: was that to me? just install wicd? |
| 16:58.27 | module000 | HTT-Bird: should tell broadcom to check if that directory is populated before it goes trying to operate on it..but oh well. glad it's working |
| 16:58.47 | cahoot | rgr: install (and config a bit) |
| 16:58.52 | module000 | rgr: what do the logs say? |
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| 17:00.15 | rgr | which log? the xorg log says nothing and its entries are not time dated. |
| 17:00.30 | rgr | (nothing related I mean of course) |
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| 17:01.38 | module000 | rgr: /var/log/messages, debug, kernel...if the system crashes, something might be there |
| 17:01.53 | rgr | looking now. |
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| 17:04.04 | traceroute | everytime I try to enable compiz in debian squeeze,gnome. I lose my borders? |
| 17:05.14 | JPT | maybe you need compiz to render the borders now |
| 17:05.36 | JPT | i had beryl for some weeks... but i don't really need it |
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| 17:07.05 | rgr | gah. dbus.proxies error when trying to run wicd-client. |
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| 17:10.36 | rgr | cahoot: wicd wont play ball on the laptop unfortunately. Back to network-manager. I am surprised. Other times I used it, it just worked. |
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| 17:11.09 | djkm | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.20 | HTT-Bird | got it, at last!!! |
| 17:11.54 | `GMF` | is there anyone who own an HP Proliant DL180 G6 ? |
| 17:12.05 | themill | djkm: can you pastebin teh command you gave and the entire output from it? /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:12.25 | djkm | themill: sure |
| 17:12.43 | djkm | themill: http://pastebin.com/d73509d44 |
| 17:13.44 | themill | djkm: you have a deeply unhappy box there. What debian release do you think that box is currently running? |
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| 17:14.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | deeply unhappy? |
| 17:14.33 | djkm | themill: Sarge. And I'm trying to upgrade it to etchy. I tried that procedure : aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 17:16.06 | themill | djkm: you also seem to have "testing" in your sources.list. The first thing you should do is reduce your sources.list just down to just two lines: your main mirror for etch and the security line for etch. |
| 17:16.40 | rgr | whats the option to force a reinstall of config files after purge? cant seem to find it. I normally use aptitude. |
| 17:16.41 | nkuttler | !tell djkm about dynamic mmap |
| 17:16.45 | themill | djkm: Once you've done that, run apt-get update and then you should be fine to continue. Make sure you read the release notes for upgrading sarge to etch, however. /msg dkg sarge->etch |
| 17:16.50 | themill | nkuttler: that's the least of his worries atm |
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| 17:17.12 | nkuttler | themill: so? |
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| 17:17.30 | themill | One step at a time :) |
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| 17:18.16 | abrotman | djkm: get it figured out ? |
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| 17:18.34 | abrotman | obviously didn't follow the instructions ... |
| 17:18.44 | djkm | I googled it and someone has done that : sudo rm -vf /var/lib/apt/lists/* :) |
| 17:18.50 | djkm | to solve that issue. |
| 17:19.01 | djkm | then he is good. |
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| 17:20.51 | djkm | abrotman: the instruction says only that : aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 17:21.03 | djkm | abrotman: I tried it and got that error again. |
| 17:21.50 | themill | djkm: have you fixed up your sources.list yet? |
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| 17:23.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | nkuttler, what themill was hinting at... he's getting that error because he has too many repositories in his sources.list, which are incompatible anyway... and removing the unneeded ones will probably get rid of that error |
| 17:23.11 | djkm | themill: nkuttler suggested different thing and you said different thing. |
| 17:23.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... so they're the same? |
| 17:23.44 | djkm | themill: from which one, should I start? :) |
| 17:23.53 | themill | djkm: yeah, I don't think nkuttler had quite appreciated the full horror of the mess that you're in. Let's start by fixing your sources.list |
| 17:24.31 | abrotman | djkm: that is not what they say |
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| 17:25.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | err what is not what who says |
| 17:25.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | !confuse me |
| 17:25.11 | dpkg | No, who are their pants today, cutmeownthroat? Breeches of the Dictatorship of Tibet with extra cheese. |
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| 17:27.13 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 17:27.15 | dpkg | <bobesponja> I'm running sid, not debian |
| 17:27.25 | Pryon | ha |
| 17:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | why is there no u after q |
| 17:28.06 | pobega | Haha. |
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| 17:28.49 | rgr | ok : now wicd is up and running. I believe my laptop is now "perfect". It uses up 2.5 gigs and is multi partition. What would be the best way to image the HD for the whole lot so I can reinstall should something go wrong (even to a larger drive possibly)? Some kind of dvd image I can then dd to the HD using a linux rescue usb stick perhaps? |
| 17:28.57 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: Quote Of The Day |
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| 17:29.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | there it is |
| 17:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | rgr, or... tar? |
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| 17:31.36 | devin | trying to get compiz to work in squeeze, when trying to start compiz im seeing Checking for Xgl: not present. followed this howto: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz |
| 17:31.50 | devin | gnome |
| 17:32.21 | rgr | tar? |
| 17:32.41 | rgr | tar restores partitions? Didn't know that. |
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| 17:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | rgr, tar saves files and you can untar on a partition of any size (as long as it's big enough) |
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| 17:36.10 | daswork | Does Etch come with NFS4 support? |
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| 17:38.19 | BossMan | daswork: I do not think so... |
| 17:38.20 | rgr | CutMeOwnThroat: yes. I was asking about a one image reinstall with partition recreation and if it was possible. I know I can tar or rsync the lot and the manually rebuild it all. |
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| 17:39.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually, there is something |
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| 17:40.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | rgr, look at mondo... |
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| 17:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | rgr, also partimage |
| 17:40.52 | Xenguy | rgr: FWIW (this may not apply exactly to your situation) http://www.nilbus.com/linux/disk-copy.php |
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| 17:41.03 | simonrvn | daswork: etch? probably not. lenny likely does. |
| 17:41.18 | rgr | I was always tempted to try dd but never quite trusted myself :-; |
| 17:41.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I prefer tar, though, because I don't have to go through 10 or more pages of documentation before I can use it meaningfully |
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| 17:41.53 | rgr | but tar doesnt do an image reinstall. but yes, to compress and back up things creat. |
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| 17:41.59 | rgr | great |
| 17:42.09 | fahadsadah | Hi, I've enabled backports, but they're not being used by default |
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| 17:42.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, in case you really need the tar, it's probably a couple more minutes of work... but then... all depends on the luck how smooth things go |
| 17:42.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | fahadsadah, that's as it should be |
| 17:42.34 | fahadsadah | fahad@pyramid:~$ cat /etc/apt/preferences |
| 17:42.35 | fahadsadah | Package: * |
| 17:42.35 | fahadsadah | Pin: release a=lenny-backports |
| 17:42.35 | fahadsadah | Pin-Priority: 200 |
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| 17:42.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | sigh |
| 17:42.40 | Xenguy | rgr: I used an adapted version of those instructions recently to clone a IDE drive to a SATA drive. dd worked quite well (I only had to wrestle with grub to get the new drive to boot) |
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| 17:42.57 | simonrvn | !paste |
| 17:42.57 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 17:43.03 | fahadsadah | Sorry |
| 17:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | there was no need to paste anyway |
| 17:43.16 | maple1 | I keep spacing out and wonder what I am |
| 17:43.23 | maple1 | wondering* |
| 17:43.26 | maple1 | doing |
| 17:43.29 | maple1 | that is |
| 17:43.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | fahadsadah, backports is not a full release, and packages in backports are not tested as much as in lenny |
| 17:43.47 | simonrvn | maple1: /join #debian-offtopic |
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| 17:43.49 | fahadsadah | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm fully aware of that. |
| 17:44.01 | fahadsadah | Understanding that, I'd like to enable it for all packages |
| 17:44.04 | fahadsadah | But it's failing |
| 17:44.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | backports is for having selected single packages you care about in a newer verwion |
| 17:44.15 | rgr | e.g emacs 23 in lenny! Yeah! |
| 17:44.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | fahadsadah, then use testing |
| 17:45.09 | fahadsadah | Thanks for your help |
| 17:45.21 | simonrvn | rgr: on x86 maybe... i just get -common on ppc... |
| 17:45.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | using everything from backports will give you just as many problems as testing |
| 17:45.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | or possibly more |
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| 17:46.37 | rgr | in other words keep APT::Default-Release "stable"; as your default! |
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| 18:01.42 | onto | hi I'm trying to install virtualbox in my system but I am recieving an error saying "Compilation of the kernel module FAILED!" and tells me to run "/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup", when I execute that it gives more errors: "Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again." |
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| 18:02.02 | onto | I'm following this: http://www.howtoforge.com/installing-virtualbox-2-on-a-debian-lenny-desktop |
| 18:02.11 | onto | 2.6.26-2-openvz-686 |
| 18:02.30 | onto | the result of uname -r |
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| 18:02.55 | simonrvn | um, you need the source of your current kernel... |
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| 18:03.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions virtualbox |
| 18:03.14 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: virtualbox -- |
| 18:03.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
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| 18:04.05 | onto | simonrvn: how do I install that? |
| 18:04.59 | onto | simonrvn: which package do I install?(sorry, I'm new to this) |
| 18:05.07 | themill | That looks like a strange kernel to try to install a vbox client on. Are these two virtualisation solutions compatible? |
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| 18:05.40 | onto | themill: not sure |
| 18:06.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions virtualbox-ose |
| 18:06.32 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: virtualbox-ose -- etch-backports: 1.6.6-dfsg-3~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.6.6-dfsg-3 lenny-backports: 3.0.8-dfsg-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 3.0.10-dfsg-1 sid: 3.0.10-dfsg-2 |
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| 18:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | lenny-backports: 3.0.8-dfsg-1~bpo50+1 |
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| 18:07.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | 3.08 in backports... |
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| 18:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you install that and follow whatever instructions you find in /usr/share/doc/virtualbox-ose/ |
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| 18:10.09 | onto | CutMeOwnThroat: I could install virtualbox-ose from the repository but am not sure if it will compile the kernel modules properly |
| 18:10.17 | onto | I am not in a position of taking any risks :( |
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| 18:10.34 | jelly | use a different machine for testing. |
| 18:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | so following the instructions from some-random-guy-on-the-internet is less risky than using the package from backports? |
| 18:12.45 | onto | CutMeOwnThroat: I've installed virtualbox on another machine using the same resource so I guess I can trust it |
| 18:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno what he's doing there... so many screenshots overflow my capacity for screenshots :-P |
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| 18:13.47 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 18:13.49 | onto | CutMeOwnThroat: I am guessing it's the incompatibility with my kernel(I'm guessing it was compiled from source for the openvz virtualization server) |
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| 18:14.43 | onto | sighs |
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| 18:20.45 | Boter | hello |
| 18:20.49 | Boter | i have some weird question |
| 18:21.05 | Boter | debian freezes time to time for couple of seconds |
| 18:21.15 | Boter | fresh installation |
| 18:21.15 | Boter | already checked hdd and memory |
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| 18:21.48 | Boter | what i think is that the problem is sata2 hdd which i took from laptop |
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| 18:22.03 | Boter | and probably heads just "parks"? |
| 18:22.15 | Boter | any idea, and possibly a solution? |
| 18:23.22 | sayan | anyone knows why some packages are marked as <pkgname> in the output of apt-cache depends? |
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| 18:26.44 | nick[0] | question: with the WAN in the basement (it's how the house is wired), and an office in both the basement and the 2nd floor, what is the best 802.11 solution? A high gain AP, a repeater on the ground floor, ...? (my old WRT54GX2 in the basement has issues keeping the network together since we changed the flooring on the main floor to tile) |
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| 18:27.11 | greycat | I should think it depends on what the floor's made of. |
| 18:27.31 | greycat | #wireless might know... |
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| 18:28.45 | nick[0] | greycat: it's a grey, opaque, possibly ferous tile. we used to get 400KB/s on the second floor, now it's less than 120 on a good day -- this is problematic because the upstairs office now has too slow a connection for Citrix |
| 18:29.16 | nick[0] | greycat: I'll ask in #wireless, thanks :-) |
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| 18:29.26 | cheako | Hello, I'm playing with a few asus eee and I'd like to know if there is anything cool that can be done with the cameras, like following a pen? |
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| 18:31.30 | Titan8990 | cheako, it has its own channel #eeepc |
| 18:32.47 | cheako | Titan8990: Sure it does, but this is a generic camera/v4l question. |
| 18:32.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | sayan, like what? |
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| 18:33.14 | cheako | The v4l channel is not awake. |
| 18:33.27 | sayan | CutMeOwnThroat: looks like /me is referring to 'generic dependencies' |
| 18:33.36 | sayan | can you explain that a bit more clearly to /me? |
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| 18:33.55 | Titan8990 | cheako, ah, i thought it was built-in to the netbook |
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| 18:34.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | Boter, hmm, sata2... does hdparm work with that? I'm not sure if DMA can be disabled for those, but that'd been my 1st guess |
| 18:34.12 | sayan | //me needs that info for improving a script : http://sayanriju.co.cc/debshare.html |
| 18:34.21 | cheako | Titan8990: It is, but I'm looking for applications. |
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| 18:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's a //me |
| 18:34.52 | greycat | A mistyped / /me I think. |
| 18:34.58 | module000 | cheako: google? this is #debian. |
| 18:34.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 18:35.00 | greycat | Or a mistyped /me. |
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| 18:35.13 | cheako | module000: I have. |
| 18:35.30 | sayan | CutMeOwnThroat: /me is /me's idea of a cool dp! :P |
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| 18:36.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands sayan a couple of 'my' |
| 18:36.31 | dvs | oh my |
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| 18:36.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't waste them! |
| 18:37.12 | sayan | CutMeOwnThroat: My, my! What a waste! :P |
| 18:38.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | sayan, actually, do you want to use apt-rdepends? |
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| 18:38.36 | sayan | CutMeOwnThroat: no, nothing extra other than what comes by default |
| 18:39.17 | sayan | i'd rather like to use apt-cache recursively (with a settable recursion depth) |
| 18:39.24 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 18:40.16 | greycat | That reminds me of a random thing. Is there some relatively easy way to get a list of ALL the packages that a given target package depends on? I know reportbug does it. I don't know how to get that list outside of reportbug, though. |
| 18:40.52 | greycat | The other day, I did that by hand, because I wanted to upgrade ALL the packages that iceweasel depends on, recursively. |
| 18:40.59 | jelly | greycat: recursively? |
| 18:41.01 | abrotman | you mean instead of the direct depenencies ? |
| 18:41.02 | greycat | yes |
| 18:41.54 | Justin | greycat: look at debtree ? |
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| 18:43.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sayan, I've not seen that before (or used apt-cache depends) - looks to me like it's showing you which of several alternatives is selected on your system if more than one package can fulfill a dependency |
| 18:43.33 | greycat | Ah, never mind, reportbug doesn't actually recurse. |
| 18:43.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, apt-rdepends -r package? |
| 18:43.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | aww, skip the "-r" there |
| 18:44.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | -r == reverse |
| 18:44.09 | Titan8990 | greycat, equery depgraph <pacackage> |
| 18:44.10 | sayan | greycat: take a look at my bash script |
| 18:44.14 | Titan8990 | hehe |
| 18:44.27 | sayan | it uses apt-depends recursively with settable recursion depth |
| 18:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dep(p)graph? |
| 18:44.37 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, its the gentoo method of doing it |
| 18:44.54 | greycat | Hmm... "apt-rdepends foo | grep -v '^[[:space:]]' | sort -u ? |
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| 18:45.19 | greycat | No, that won't work... some of those lines are not package names. |
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| 18:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | they're not? |
| 18:46.21 | greycat | they might be virtual packages or something |
| 18:46.40 | sayan | greycat: grep the o/p with 'Depends:' first |
| 18:47.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | virtual packages are also packages... |
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| 18:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | in regards to dependencies they don't really differ from "normal" packages |
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| 18:47.33 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: The goal (for me; not sure about sayan) would be to get a list of packages I can paste onto the end of "sudo apt-get install " to completely updated everything that a package uses. |
| 18:48.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but "everything" should also include virtual packages, then |
| 18:48.13 | greycat | Because after, say, 2 or 3 years, some of the random libraries that, say, iceweasel uses three levels down are way out of date. |
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| 18:48.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get dist-upgrade would also take care of that, though... |
| 18:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | and probably not such a bad idea a year after a new release |
| 18:49.08 | jelly | it would also break a zillion unrelated things |
| 18:49.25 | greycat | It would also require me to dedicated a brand new partition or two to hold them all. |
| 18:50.05 | jelly | *cough*lvm*cough* |
| 18:50.16 | abrotman | apt-zip ? |
| 18:50.18 | sayan | greycat: perhaps apt-rdepends | grep 'Depends:' | cut -d' ' -f2 |
| 18:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands jelly a lozenge |
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| 18:50.41 | Justin | greycat: run apt-get -s install iceweasel on a debian box without X :-) |
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| 18:51.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno, I think the weak point in this is that nearly all packages depend all the way back to libc6 and coreutils if you follow dependencies |
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| 18:52.10 | sayan | CutMeOwnThroat: yup, that's why /me prefers using apt-cache depends recursively rather than apt-rdepends |
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| 18:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | so /you said |
| 18:52.44 | jelly | !pee-depends |
| 18:52.44 | dpkg | pee-depends: see incontinence products. |
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| 18:53.40 | sayan | ok, so any of the bash guru-s out there, plz check my script and offer suggestions |
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| 18:54.07 | greycat | sayan: if it's actually a bash question, go to #bash with it. But if it's a question about apt-* then stay here. |
| 18:54.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, that's not in Debian, though... but it'd be nice to have a graphical gui-representation of either all or a subset of dependencies |
| 18:54.38 | jelly | mmm, there was a nice web-cgi for that |
| 18:54.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | (supposing one the way things are represented is chosen in a smart way) |
| 18:55.27 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't see the need for the GUI... debian just needs to add colors to its console commands |
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| 18:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, gui would be nice for zooming in, out and around dependency-subsets |
| 18:56.11 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, but difficult for parsing |
| 18:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | best parsed with open eyes |
| 18:56.46 | Titan8990 | I would rather my machine parse it how I tell it to |
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| 18:57.09 | Python1320 | Uhm, how can I fush ebtables rules? |
| 18:57.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be useful to see where broken dependencies are broken |
| 18:57.26 | Python1320 | I mean ebtables -L shows nothing about the rules I put there. |
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| 18:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | or to see how easy/hard it is to backport something |
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| 18:58.24 | Titan8990 | Python1320, assuming you mean iptables, what rules did you add? have you rebooted since you added them? |
| 18:58.37 | Python1320 | Titan8990, I made a brouter |
| 18:58.40 | Python1320 | and ebtables |
| 18:58.47 | Python1320 | And no I haven't rebooted. |
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| 18:59.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, perhaps ceve could do it... but it's one of those pretty much impossible to backport.... |
| 18:59.59 | Titan8990 | Python1320, oh, I see now. I am not familiar layer 2 packet filtering |
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| 19:00.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt-get build-dep ceve -t testing on lenny wants to upgrade 23 packages and install 38 more |
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| 19:01.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | with libc6-* being part of the 23 |
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| 19:02.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno... I don't think backporting is a good answer to wanting some software that's in testing in stable |
| 19:02.35 | Titan8990 | you mean source building? |
| 19:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I'm just too stupid to do it, but it seems like a lot of trouble for some packages |
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| 19:02.51 | benedikt | i have a fat32 file system (ipod) that is corrupted. some filders seem to miss "." and when i try to rm the folder i get "input/output error" and the filesystem decides to become read only. |
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| 19:03.09 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, try gentoo... then say its too much trouble lol |
| 19:03.31 | Titan8990 | benedikt, did you already try a fsck.vfat? |
| 19:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess why I've never tried it... I don't enjoy weeks of compiling as such |
| 19:03.56 | benedikt | Titan8990: yep. thats how i found out about the missing "." |
| 19:03.57 | cahoot | benedikt: make a backup with testdisk first? |
| 19:04.01 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, never weeks... I had a 1.2ghz celeron compile the kde meta package in less than 24hrs |
| 19:04.11 | greycat | dpkg gentoosmite CutMeOwnThroat |
| 19:04.11 | dpkg | spends 8 days recompiling CutMeOwnThroat, and when it's all done, CutMeOwnThroat runs no faster than previously |
| 19:04.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | benedikt, "input/output error" suggests it's not only corrupted, but also broken... either the electronics for the interface or the disk |
| 19:04.23 | benedikt | cahoot: dont really need to backup.. |
| 19:04.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, I said I _don't_ enjoy that! |
| 19:05.07 | benedikt | CutMeOwnThroat: it worked fine until i tried i started messing around with rm trying to clear it out. it might be electronicly broken though, but i havent noticed that before if thats the case |
| 19:05.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, well, it wouldn't be so bad... luckily I don't use kde... |
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| 19:06.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | benedikt, or sectors unaccessible or something - you shouldn't get and I/O error if _just_ the FS was corrupted... that wouldn't prevent reading the disk |
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| 19:07.03 | benedikt | CutMeOwnThroat: as long as i leave the dirs with the missing "." alone, it works fine. Guess ill just leave it there |
| 19:07.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, perhaps corruption can do that... but it doesn't ring right |
| 19:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | benedikt, it's some type of SSD disk? do those have S.M.A.R.T records? |
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| 19:09.59 | greycat | So anyway, it looks like "Depends: <mail-transport-agent>" means that <...> in apt-cache depends indicates a virtual package. |
| 19:10.00 | jelly12gen | hi, the rules file should be in every .deb right? |
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| 19:10.20 | jelly12gen | because i want to know with flags the deluge-gtk package uses |
| 19:10.32 | greycat | jelly12gen: "rules" is in the debian/ subdirectory of a Debianized source, not in the built .deb |
| 19:10.57 | rgr | At what stage should scripts in /etc/X11/Xsession.d be run? I have the gnupg agent start csript in there and my my lenny laptop is not starting the gpg-agent. |
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| 19:11.27 | jelly12gen | greycat: aha i heard it's in the .diff.gz |
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| 19:12.01 | greycat | jelly12gen: true |
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| 19:12.49 | jelly12gen | hmm that only gives me a diff for http://packages.debian.org/nl/sid/deluge-gtk |
| 19:13.12 | greycat | It is precisely a gzipped diff file. |
| 19:13.19 | jelly12gen | ?? |
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| 19:14.17 | greycat | jelly12gen: so look for something like "+++ pkgname-2.3.5/debian/rules" where the diff file creates the rules file. |
| 19:14.48 | greycat | simply searching for "debian/rules" should find it quickly |
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| 19:17.03 | Titan8990 | hmm, another jelly |
| 19:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, just eat it! |
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| 19:21.33 | jelly12gen | greycat: well i cant find it :( |
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| 19:22.16 | greycat | is it possible that the upstream source (the orig.tar.gz) already has the debian/rules file? |
| 19:22.34 | jelly | sometimes, but not often |
| 19:22.36 | greycat | in that case, the diff.gz would not need to create it |
| 19:23.00 | greycat | jelly: he's looking for the debian/rules file from some package so he can see the compile flags |
| 19:23.03 | jelly | freeradius has theirs, but I think debian pretty much ignores it |
| 19:23.34 | jelly | jelly12gen: what exact file(s) are you looking at? |
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| 19:29.23 | jelly12gen | i am looking for the compile flags for the deluge-gtk package |
| 19:29.36 | jelly12gen | jelly: ^^ |
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| 19:30.51 | rgr | on my testing machine gpg-agent starts when I login. On the lenny it doesn't. Any ideas? How linked is this to seahorse (if at all)? |
| 19:31.01 | rgr | bot machines have a start script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/s90gpg-agent |
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| 19:31.52 | themill | jelly12gen: in short, there aren't any flags passed to configure or make: http://patch-tracker.debian.org/patch/debianonly/view/deluge/1.2.0~rc3-4 |
| 19:32.00 | greycat | No idea, rgr. I start mine from ~/.xinitrc. |
| 19:32.50 | jelly12gen | themill: huh how strange |
| 19:33.27 | dec3pti0n | is there a way to find out what flags were used during compilation of a source that is now a .deb pkg ? |
| 19:33.29 | jelly12gen | ok thanks |
| 19:33.50 | rgr | greycat: just gpg-agent --daemon? |
| 19:33.58 | greycat | hash ssh-agent 2>/dev/null && eval `ssh-agent -s` |
| 19:33.58 | greycat | hash ssh-add 2>/dev/null && ssh-add </dev/null |
| 19:34.28 | greycat | (And mine starts with #!/bin/bash) |
| 19:34.29 | rgr | ssh-agent is already running |
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| 19:35.08 | greycat | ah, you're doing gpg-agent instead of ssh-agent... well, I presume they operate similarly, but maybe I'm being dense |
| 19:35.30 | rgr | I'll go back to keychain I think. The scripts dont seem to work :-( |
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| 19:36.39 | rgr | (also its incredibaly confusing with gnome keychains, searhorse and agents for x,y and z. |
| 19:36.40 | prince_jammys | greycat: how do you handle the killing of ssh-agent on logout? do you use .bash_logout? |
| 19:36.58 | rgr | you dont kill it. idea is it stays alive afaik. |
| 19:37.16 | greycat | what rgr said. |
| 19:37.19 | Boter | any1 have a idea to my problem? |
| 19:37.36 | prince_jammys | greycat: doesn't it keep getting restarted then if you login several times? |
| 19:37.41 | rgr | the red rash and sores? |
| 19:37.45 | greycat | prince_jammys: .bash_logout wouldn't work for me, since I use 'exec startx' |
| 19:37.58 | rgr | prince_jammys: no. It checks to see if its already running. |
| 19:38.03 | greycat | prince_jammys: yes, it would. if that were a concern, I'd kill them all at some point with pkill. |
| 19:38.03 | Boter | my almost fresh installed debian freezes for couple of seconds ... and everytime at random time... hdd is ok, ram is ok, |
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| 19:38.21 | greycat | rgr: that might be a difference between the different *-agents |
| 19:38.21 | Boter | probably some disc "parking"? |
| 19:38.24 | Titan8990 | Boter, which version of debian? |
| 19:38.33 | greycat | prince_jammys: I login approximately as often as I reboot. |
| 19:38.36 | Boter | Debian 5.0.3 |
| 19:38.44 | rgr | greycat: possibly. I just know I dont have a clue about where seahorse etc fit together. |
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| 19:38.51 | Titan8990 | Boter, what graphics card/driver? |
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| 19:39.26 | Boter | it's server |
| 19:39.28 | Boter | moment... |
| 19:39.47 | greycat | if X isn't running at all, that's probably not important |
| 19:40.03 | Boter | ati Radeon X1600 |
| 19:40.13 | Boter | yes i thought the same |
| 19:40.22 | Titan8990 | Boter, oh.. the server locks up? |
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| 19:40.39 | greycat | Are you sure it's the local hardware locking up, and not just the network connection hiccupping? |
| 19:40.41 | Titan8990 | greycat, right, to me it just sounded like the GUI was freezing |
| 19:40.42 | Boter | only idea I had... it's that it's laptops disc... and probably he's parking? |
| 19:40.58 | greycat | Wait, it's a laptop that's a server? |
| 19:41.02 | Boter | Titan8990 locks up? |
| 19:41.06 | Boter | no |
| 19:41.14 | Boter | laptop's disk in some backup server |
| 19:41.14 | Boter | :) |
| 19:41.14 | Titan8990 | maybe its a server with a laptop hard drive? |
| 19:41.51 | Boter | normal pc yes with a laptop hard drive |
| 19:41.58 | Titan8990 | Boter, ehh, what was the problem exactly? |
| 19:42.19 | greycat | I don't think a laptop drive is going to spin itself down randomly. The controller should have to tell it to do so, right? |
| 19:42.38 | Boter | well... sometimes (randomly) everything freezes for couple of seconds |
| 19:42.45 | Boter | and then everything is ok |
| 19:42.54 | Titan8990 | greycat, if there was a firmware problem with the drive, it could behave pretty odd |
| 19:43.00 | greycat | Boter: when you say "everything", does this mean you don't even get your shell prompt typing echoed back? |
| 19:43.02 | Boter | no high load, no nothing weird |
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| 19:43.16 | Boter | greycat probably you're right... |
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| 19:43.30 | Boter | it get's after few seconds yes |
| 19:43.35 | Boter | i see what i wrote before |
| 19:43.35 | greycat | so you only observe this behavior when you're executing some application? |
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| 19:44.23 | Boter | or just typing anything... |
| 19:44.35 | FinnTux | does debian installer support installing on iSCSI root? |
| 19:45.03 | Boter | sometimes even if i write eg. uptime :) |
| 19:45.12 | greycat | Boter: well, if you see it when you're typing at a bash prompt, then it doesn't sound like the hard drive spinning down, because bash shouldn't be *looking* at the disk during a command read. |
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| 19:45.26 | greycat | But if the disk is doing something that makes the motherboard freak out.... |
| 19:45.34 | prince_jammys | greycat: i log in several times and eventually end up pkill'ing the many instances of ssh-agent. is it a bad idea to, rather than ''exec fluxbox'', run fluxbox in the foreground so i can kill ssh-agent on the following command? |
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| 19:45.59 | greycat | prince_jammys: doesn't sound like a bad idea... |
| 19:45.59 | prince_jammys | never tried it. |
| 19:46.07 | prince_jammys | gives that a whirl |
| 19:46.46 | Boter | i have no idea what could it be. i had ubuntu desktop before on this computer, and there everything worked |
| 19:46.58 | greycat | now that's strange. |
| 19:47.02 | greycat | I'd expect this to be a hardware problem.... |
| 19:47.14 | Boter | i checked hdd and ram and it's ok |
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| 19:47.22 | greycat | Again: are you sure it's the local hardware freezing up, and not just your network connection to it? |
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| 19:47.36 | Boter | yes i thought the same, but... hour earlier everything worked okay |
| 19:48.20 | Boter | so i have somehow test graphic card and mb? |
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| 19:48.51 | Boter | i though it's some bad driver, ... upgraded system and still the same |
| 19:49.08 | _Trinity_ | hi everyone |
| 19:49.26 | Boter | _Trinity_ hi :) |
| 19:50.09 | Boter | i googled whole day, and i didn't found anything useful |
| 19:50.29 | Boter | http://konzola.info/ this is machines sysinfo |
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| 19:50.58 | phiwer__ | anyone else experiencing apache having an empty httpd.conf? |
| 19:51.04 | phiwer__ | is this a known problem? |
| 19:51.18 | Boter | phiwer__ why this should be problem? |
| 19:51.20 | greycat | perhaps your root file system filled up? |
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| 19:51.42 | _Trinity_ | has anyone used a ps2 (small round connector) to usb adaptor for a keyboard? I tried and kept on getting "fails to enumerate" error. Are ps2 to USB adaptors known to work with keyboards? |
| 19:51.55 | phiwer__ | Boter, well I can't connect to the server (locally). So this is a problem indeed. :) |
| 19:52.05 | phiwer__ | or maybe the default config has changed? |
| 19:52.05 | greycat | _Trinity_: I've used one before. Don't recall any errors. |
| 19:52.11 | phiwer__ | I don't remember it being completely empty though. |
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| 19:52.48 | _Trinity_ | greycat: Maybe I should change it for another one, of the same model at least. |
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| 19:53.17 | Boter | greycat tell more |
| 19:53.25 | greycat | swapping out the adapter and the keyboard (separately) sounds like a plan. |
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| 19:56.14 | abrotman | _Trinity_: i use them here .. works fine |
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| 19:57.02 | dvs | _Trinity_, works for me |
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| 19:58.44 | _Trinity_ | What brands are you using? I'm using (no name?) one apparently made for mice. There are some mor expensive ones with cables, one ofr a mouse and another one for a keyboard |
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| 20:01.20 | machtfuernacht | Hi I have a problem with udev. http://cxg.de/_5e72af.htm vcs1 and vcsa1 is added and removed continusly. |
| 20:01.22 | _tux | hi i need some help with my wlan |
| 20:01.49 | _tux | i have installed everything correctly according do madwifi |
| 20:02.12 | _tux | what i need is to get debian run the command automatically upon startup |
| 20:02.14 | _tux | wpa_supplicant -Dwext -iwlan0 -c/etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 20:02.21 | _tux | where do i have to put |
| 20:02.22 | _tux | that |
| 20:02.23 | _tux | ?? |
| 20:03.02 | greycat | sounds network-ish. probably in /etc/network/interfaces somewhere. |
| 20:03.12 | machtfuernacht | Create an init Script and add it to the appropriate runlevels |
| 20:03.24 | _tux | but where ? |
| 20:03.30 | Boter | greap http://pastebin.com/m6e8fec1 |
| 20:03.40 | Boter | greycat evn |
| 20:03.43 | _tux | dmesg gives me: [ 134.158033] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready |
| 20:04.13 | Boter | is that normal? |
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| 20:04.45 | machtfuernacht | You can run it through a udev rule too |
| 20:04.51 | BossMan | _tux: do an ifconfig wlan0 up first |
| 20:05.00 | greycat | Boter: well, I don't see an actual error. And it didn't take a long time to do that (less than 0.2 seconds). |
| 20:05.19 | _tux | BossMan: i have to done that |
| 20:05.20 | Boter | yes because i can't see any too |
| 20:05.49 | Boter | greycat maybe line 2? |
| 20:06.14 | machtfuernacht | Any idea for my udev problem? |
| 20:06.27 | BossMan | _tux: I do it that wayt too.. should be ... ifconfig wlan0 up ; wpa_sup (line here) && dhclient wlan0 |
| 20:06.40 | greycat | Boter: I don't think that's relevant |
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| 20:06.58 | Boter | ok |
| 20:07.04 | _tux | BossMan: yes but do u get to do that everytime you start up your system? |
| 20:07.22 | BossMan | what? |
| 20:07.35 | BossMan | I do that at each boot |
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| 20:07.54 | BossMan | then i startx |
| 20:07.55 | _tux | BossMan: where do u put that line? |
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| 20:08.16 | BossMan | in a shell ;) |
| 20:08.48 | _tux | BossMan: not in some script?!? |
| 20:08.51 | BossMan | you should be able to add it to /etc/network/interfaces as a post-up wpa... && dhc... |
| 20:09.06 | en1gma | hey all wuzzup. i got a problem...i had originally installed debian 5.03 stable and a few days ago i upgraded to squeeze...when i was doing the upgrade i think i installed something wrong because now when my computer boots up i see 2 different grub screens and also when i shutdown the computer it makes me log back in and then i have to clieck shutdown again |
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| 20:09.09 | BossMan | perhaps after l0 comes up |
| 20:09.11 | en1gma | can someone tell me how to fix it |
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| 20:09.14 | BossMan | lo* |
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| 20:09.24 | _tux | wierd |
| 20:09.43 | _tux | BossMan: /etc/network/interfaces is correctly installed |
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| 20:09.51 | greycat | "two different grub screens" probably means you installed grub-pc and it's still being chained from grub-legacy to grub-pc |
| 20:10.07 | BossMan | en1gma: just wondering... when you edited your source.list files did you do a aptitude clean prior ? |
| 20:10.11 | en1gma | i checked synaptic and grub-pc is installed...should i remove it |
| 20:10.16 | greycat | "makes me log back in again" sounds like you have something like "gnome-session" in ~/.xsession ... |
| 20:10.31 | greycat | but I gave up on all the fancy GUIs |
| 20:10.33 | xaashi | hi sorry for the the follwing retard question, but how are you mean to link against the debian dbg libs, |
| 20:10.34 | en1gma | nope no aptitude clean was done..i always update through sysnaptic and i do a reload |
| 20:10.39 | xaashi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.04 | digijohn | Hi everyone. Little problem here, I had used the ctrl:swapcaps option in my xorg.conf file, but I just bought a Happy Hacking keyboard with the control key in the right place. I commented out the option in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but when I restart xdm it still does the remap (which is now annoying, since it remaps the wrong keys) |
| 20:11.04 | greycat | en1gma: if the second grub screen boots correctly, then you can run "upgrade-from-grub-legacy" to get rid of the first one. |
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| 20:11.11 | digijohn | Is there something I need to reconfigure "the debian way"? |
| 20:11.20 | en1gma | as root in a term? |
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| 20:11.54 | greycat | en1gma: yes |
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| 20:12.05 | _tux | BossMan: the reason y i ask you about where to put those commands, is that my system is a multimedia system and i dont want to get out the keyboard |
| 20:12.31 | xaashi | anyone ?! |
| 20:12.31 | en1gma | ok grub legacy was removed it says |
| 20:12.36 | BossMan | _tux: you should be able to add it to /etc/network/interfaces as a post-up wpa... && dhc... |
| 20:12.52 | BossMan | at the bottom of the lo lines |
| 20:12.58 | en1gma | thanks...i wonder if that will take care of my having to logout when i shutdown then it boot to desktop and then have to shutdown again |
| 20:13.15 | greycat | en1gma: it shouldn't affect the "double login" thing |
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| 20:13.27 | en1gma | i gonna shutdown just to check it |
| 20:13.28 | en1gma | brb |
| 20:13.30 | belak | Ok, what's a good program for managing the desktop with openbox? |
| 20:13.47 | lhx_ | wooohooo! |
| 20:13.55 | lhx_ | anyone a LaTeX user? |
| 20:14.01 | greycat | !anyone |
| 20:14.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 20:14.09 | xaashi | lhx_ yep |
| 20:14.11 | lhx_ | lol |
| 20:14.14 | belak | lhx_: I wish I was |
| 20:14.20 | neoice_ | i love that macro |
| 20:14.21 | _tux | BossMan: what was that post-up... ? |
| 20:15.02 | lhx_ | xaashi: I am familiar with the syntax etc...what I want to know if it's feasible to customize some classes if I'm not a programmer... specifically, I want to edit the letter class to make my own letterhead and justification etc... |
| 20:15.23 | greycat | there's a #latex channel |
| 20:15.29 | lhx_ | duh |
| 20:15.31 | xaashi | lhx_: yeah its, just look at the style sheet |
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| 20:15.54 | en1gma | yep it fixed the double grub screen but i still have to logout 2x to shutdown |
| 20:16.00 | xaashi | no debian gcc users here tonight :( |
| 20:16.11 | en1gma | i mean i have to hit shutdown 2x and logout once |
| 20:16.18 | BossMan | post-up command to run |
| 20:16.27 | en1gma | for me? |
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| 20:16.49 | BossMan | post-up shutdown, post-up catchonfire, post-up ifconfg wlan0 up... |
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| 20:17.08 | BossMan | man interfaces |
| 20:17.14 | greycat | Debian doesn't have enough remote combustion packages. |
| 20:17.27 | BossMan | greycat: aggreed |
| 20:17.45 | BossMan | at least not enough remotely triggered ones :) |
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| 20:18.35 | iluminator101 | is iceweasel really outdated compared to firefox's constant security releases |
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| 20:20.36 | RRockon | hi, I have a strange issue... I have a fresh install but all python related things just don't work. |
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| 20:21.54 | Titan8990 | RRockon, did you install python or is it python-minimal? |
| 20:22.07 | RRockon | both actually |
| 20:22.08 | Titan8990 | RRockon, also, fresh install of which version? |
| 20:22.17 | RRockon | Ubuntu 9.10 |
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| 20:22.32 | tensorpudding | this is #debian, #ubuntu is that way ----> |
| 20:22.41 | en1gma | no one knows why i have to hit shutdown then it makes me login and boot to desktop then i have to hit shutdown again for it to shutdown |
| 20:22.46 | Titan8990 | RRockon, your in the wrong channel.... they have problems because they put 2.6 in a stable release for no reason |
| 20:22.48 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 20:22.48 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:23.01 | greycat | en1gma: I'd start by figuring out how I'm logging in, and what config files are read during that procedure. |
| 20:23.20 | en1gma | hmm |
| 20:23.30 | Daemonik | I am using the LPIA architecture, and want to take advantage of a repository that has i386 packages. LPIA can run non-optimized x86_32 packages. How can I force apt to use this repository with different but compatible archs? |
| 20:23.36 | en1gma | this isnt happening to alot of people who upgraded stable to squeeze? |
| 20:23.40 | greycat | en1gma: because it sounds like "gdm starts up, reads a config file that says to run 'gnome-session', runs that, it exits, then it runs 'gnome-session' again of its own accord" |
| 20:23.47 | en1gma | it only happened after i upgraded |
| 20:23.53 | RRockon | Well it was worth a shot, noone there has any clue about it... :) |
| 20:24.04 | RRockon | thanks anyway |
| 20:24.49 | en1gma | so it is runnng 2 gnome session when i login one time? |
| 20:25.19 | greycat | That's just one possible scenario. You haven't even said whether you're running KDE, GNOME, none of the above; whether you login with text console getty, xdm, gdm, ... |
| 20:25.31 | en1gma | that is why when i click system shutdown it makes me login then it goes to desktop and i again have to hit system shutdown? |
| 20:25.41 | iluminator101 | is iceweasel up to date in seurity, i am getting the feeling its not |
| 20:25.47 | en1gma | gnome |
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| 20:25.58 | iceroot | iluminator101: and why? |
| 20:26.05 | devin | any of you using squeeze manage to get emerald installed? |
| 20:26.21 | en1gma | im not sure what it logins with....it looks like a blue screen and it makes me enter a user name then a password |
| 20:26.39 | en1gma | let me look in synaptic and see if its xdm or gdm |
| 20:26.44 | greycat | en1gma: "dpkg -l \?dm" might help |
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| 20:26.59 | greycat | ... or synaptic. sure. |
| 20:27.00 | iluminator101 | firefox keeps releasing security releases, as far i know iceweasel i use hasnt have an update in 2 months |
| 20:27.09 | iluminator101 | had* |
| 20:27.11 | en1gma | ii gdm 2.20.10-1 GNOME Display Manager |
| 20:27.23 | greycat | en1gma: do you have a ~/.gnomerc file? |
| 20:27.45 | en1gma | let me check |
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| 20:28.10 | iceroot | iluminator101: on lenny? |
| 20:28.17 | iluminator101 | squeeze |
| 20:28.34 | greycat | !testing security |
| 20:28.34 | dpkg | NOTE: there will be no testing security support for some time. Put "deb http://security.debian.org squeeze/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Squeeze. Keep up to date by reading <d-d-a>. Also ask about <d-s-a><apt-listchanges>. |
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| 20:28.53 | abrotman | iluminator101: that's part of using testing/unstable |
| 20:28.54 | iceroot | iluminator101: i dont think squeeze is getting security updates like lenny |
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| 20:29.39 | en1gma | greycat i doing a find for it |
| 20:29.47 | _Trinity_ | hm apparenty the keyboard and mice adaptors are not interchangable |
| 20:29.51 | greycat | en1gma: just "ls -l ~/.gnomerc" |
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| 20:29.58 | greycat | if it's in any other place, it wouldn't be used |
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| 20:30.15 | _Trinity_ | that may be my problem |
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| 20:31.13 | en1gma | it dont list one |
| 20:31.29 | greycat | en1gma: then I don't know what else to look for. You'll have to find a GNOME person.... |
| 20:31.39 | en1gma | ah ok |
| 20:31.45 | en1gma | thanks for taking your time |
| 20:31.57 | en1gma | double grub got fixed |
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| 20:33.50 | iluminator101 | how do i deselect a package that wants to upgrade for instance i dont want to upgrade gstream-pulse audio, it keeps asking me to upgrade it |
| 20:34.02 | greycat | !hold |
| 20:34.02 | dpkg | i guess hold is a status flag that tells the package manager not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package: 'echo <package> hold|dpkg --set-selections'. It is also possible to use aptitude: 'aptitude hold <package>'. Note that the hold flag set using aptitude might be ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager and Synaptic), but aptitude will respect the hold set in the dpkg database. |
| 20:34.28 | greycat | "... because using just one set of flags would be too simple!" |
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| 20:35.44 | iluminator101 | wait is hold included in aptitude or is it a separate package |
| 20:35.56 | greycat | read the factoid again. |
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| 20:36.20 | iluminator101 | ah k |
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| 20:36.26 | iluminator101 | thanks |
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| 20:37.52 | devin | !tum |
| 20:37.52 | dpkg | echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution |
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| 20:38.47 | devin | where is emerald in repos? |
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| 20:39.41 | nkuttler | !tell devin about pdo |
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| 20:40.22 | zanberdo | I'm having to work with debian etch yes I would like to install firefox 3.5. I've discovered that I need to install gtk 2.10 (which I've build from source) before installing firefox. I've done this and it's working, but I'm curious if there isn't a way to do this via repos. |
| 20:40.39 | greycat | why'd you build gtk2 from source? |
| 20:41.10 | greycat | judd, versions libgtk2.0-0 |
| 20:41.10 | judd | greycat: libgtk2.0-0 -- etch: 2.8.20-7 lenny: 2.12.12-1~lenny1 sid: 2.18.3-1 squeeze: 2.18.3-1 |
| 20:41.18 | zanberdo | evidently etch installed with gtk 2.8 and you need 2.10 for firefox 3.5 |
| 20:41.27 | greycat | oh, you're on etch. I see. |
| 20:41.34 | zanberdo | yes, and I must remain on etch |
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| 20:41.49 | zanberdo | as I need kernel 2.6.18 for a supported piece of hardware |
| 20:41.52 | greycat | zanberdo: you could build a backported .deb file |
| 20:42.03 | zanberdo | until I can manage to build the source for the hardware with a newer kernel |
| 20:42.05 | greycat | you could also run lenny with a 2.6.18 kernel |
| 20:42.19 | zanberdo | oh yeah? lenny with 2.6.18? |
| 20:42.20 | zanberdo | hmmm |
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| 20:43.18 | greycat | the etch->lenny process doesn't actually touch the kernel, unless/until you explicitly take that step |
| 20:43.34 | zanberdo | is new to working directly with debian |
| 20:43.43 | _Trinity_ | ciao everyone |
| 20:43.49 | zanberdo | uses ubuntu generally |
| 20:44.19 | remote | ciao |
| 20:44.19 | zanberdo | so greycat, if I've installed etch I should be able to upgrade to lenny without upgrading my kernel? |
| 20:44.24 | greycat | yes |
| 20:44.46 | themill | That's a somewhat "undertested" situation however. |
| 20:45.17 | greycat | I have a funny feeling it gets tested a lot, but never reported, because people just didn't realize they missed the "now install the new kernel" step.... |
| 20:45.29 | greycat | But that's speculative. |
| 20:45.37 | zanberdo | might you have a link to page that describes the process? |
| 20:45.43 | themill | If you have linux-image-2.6-686 installed, there is no extra step. |
| 20:45.46 | greycat | zanberdo: /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 20:45.49 | themill | zanberdo: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#newkernel |
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| 20:46.55 | zanberdo | thank you |
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| 20:51.15 | Boter | thanks for all help |
| 20:51.22 | Boter | probably we hear tomorrow :) |
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| 20:52.00 | Hatl | hi! is it possible to change the initial view of aptitude to "New Flat Package List"? |
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| 20:55.04 | ovnicraft | hi folks, i wrote an script and put it in /etc/init.d/ |
| 20:55.18 | ovnicraft | but it doesnt run at boot |
| 20:55.31 | greycat | you need to symlink it from /etc/rc2.d/Ssomething |
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| 20:59.22 | ChadStat | When someone says a process is wedged, what does this mean? |
| 20:59.38 | ovnicraft | greycat, so i get the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/S98start-tinyerp |
| 20:59.56 | ovnicraft | to ../init.d/start-tinyerp |
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| 21:00.18 | Titan8990 | ovnicraft, you don't do it manually... update-rc.d creates the appropriate symlinks for you |
| 21:00.27 | alturiak | ChadStat: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wedged |
| 21:00.33 | ChadStat | Hmm? |
| 21:00.40 | greycat | ovnicraft: good. make sure it's "chmod +x" and has a valid #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/bash line. |
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| 21:01.36 | blip- | hi all, is debian lenny the most recent version of debian... I'm trying to get libboost 1.39... any ideas ? |
| 21:01.52 | Titan8990 | judd, versions libboost |
| 21:01.52 | judd | Titan8990: libboost -- |
| 21:01.58 | rgr | I'm a little lost with keys. I have a primary ssh key on this machine. I wish to get this over as my main key on the other machine. What is the best way to do this? Seahorse export? Its a little cloudy to me as to the private and public bits in this operation. |
| 21:02.08 | ChadStat | alturiak: I tried that, I get some stuff about modem drivers. I was just wondering what the term meant. |
| 21:03.19 | Titan8990 | blip-, yes, for what? |
| 21:03.20 | greycat | rgr: what do you mean by "primary ssh key"? What are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 21:03.48 | rgr | use the same keys on the other machine for gpg. ssh was a mistake there sorry. |
| 21:03.53 | ovnicraft | greycat, i wrote #! /bin/sh maybe the space is the error |
| 21:04.02 | greycat | ovnicraft: no, that's fine. |
| 21:04.05 | abrotman | ChadStat: hung up/stuck |
| 21:04.08 | ChadStat | k |
| 21:04.11 | greycat | you are allowed one space between #! and /foo |
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| 21:04.28 | ChadStat | thanks |
| 21:04.37 | rgr | i think i just need to copy *.gpg acorss. I'llt ry it. |
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| 21:04.51 | xaashi | any one know if there is an irc channel for tcpdump and libpcap, thanks |
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| 21:05.23 | ovnicraft | greycat, so why dont run, it has the permissions |
| 21:05.28 | ovnicraft | has symlink |
| 21:05.28 | blip- | Titan8990: well I basically installed debian lenny on an ARM device (via sudo debootstrap --verbose --arch=armel --foreign lenny and a few other commands).... it works fine and now I want to run some code that needs 1.39+.... but the one in the repos is only 1.34. |
| 21:05.30 | Titan8990 | xaashi, ##networking? |
| 21:05.47 | greycat | rgr: well, you need both the public *and* private keys if you want to do all the possible gpg operations (signing, and reading things encrypted to you) |
| 21:05.55 | xaashi | Titan8990: thanks man |
| 21:06.08 | greycat | rgr: if you can't get it all from the docs, there's a #gnupg channel |
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| 21:07.28 | Titan8990 | blip-, you could try backporting it from sid, not sure how well that will work with that lib however |
| 21:07.31 | Titan8990 | !ssb |
| 21:07.31 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 21:07.48 | themill | I'd say backporting boost isn't going to work out well |
| 21:08.24 | blip- | oh sid is a newer version ? why don't I just install that on the ARM device if it comes with 1.39+ |
| 21:08.44 | greycat | you can't install sid packages directly on lenny without dragging in a whole bunch of other sid libraries |
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| 21:09.02 | greycat | at which point you are not, by any stretch, still running lenny |
| 21:09.05 | blip- | greycat: no I mean I install trash lenny and install Sid on the device |
| 21:09.28 | greycat | you mean upgrade the device to sid. that's acceptable, as long as you understand the risks inherent in running sid (unstable). |
| 21:09.29 | blip- | yeah I don't need to run lenny, just any debian that will gave me latest boost libs |
| 21:09.55 | valdyn | why would backporting boost not work nicely? |
| 21:09.59 | blip- | greycat: it can't be worse than running an ubuntu can it ;) |
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| 21:10.12 | abrotman | !sid break |
| 21:10.15 | abrotman | :( |
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| 21:10.49 | themill | valdyn: it's a pretty fundamental set of libraries and the entire packaging system had undergone a transition during the course of the squeeze development cycle. |
| 21:10.51 | greycat | !break |
| 21:10.51 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see <ben break>, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 21:10.54 | abrotman | i thought it had the link to the lg-issue-all deleting all your stuff |
| 21:10.59 | blip- | could someone confirm please the version of boost currently in sid ? |
| 21:11.03 | abrotman | oh .. nope, that's it |
| 21:11.20 | valdyn | themill: fundamental? each boost seems to get new package names |
| 21:11.23 | greycat | blip-: packages.debian.org/PKGNAME |
| 21:11.30 | themill | valdyn: now. It used not to. |
| 21:11.36 | valdyn | themill: oh |
| 21:11.40 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libboost |
| 21:11.45 | Titan8990 | greycat, some packages are not big issues... I was able to source build/install emacs23 from sid with minimal trouble |
| 21:12.23 | rgr | Titan8990: did you create the backport for emcs 23? Thanks if so. |
| 21:12.28 | greycat | Titan8990: that's a backport. that's different from installing the sid emacs. |
| 21:12.34 | themill | valdyn: well... it did, then it didn't, then it did again. etc... I can't see it working out well and you'd risk changing the "default" boost on your system when compiling new things which would be a fun game. |
| 21:13.17 | Titan8990 | greycat, oh, I see where my incorrect terminology created confusion |
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| 21:13.54 | blip- | ok I just checked package, both squeeze and sid have 1.40... does "testing" rank more unstable than "unstable" ? (ie squeeze vs sid) |
| 21:14.10 | rgr | greycat: yeah, just a quick scp of .gnupg and all works fine. easy :-) |
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| 21:14.45 | Titan8990 | blip-, no, as a branch as a whole, squeeze is more stable. However, those packages in question are likely exactly the same |
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| 21:14.50 | abrotman | blip-: technically no, but sometimes things are broken for longer in testing |
| 21:15.28 | rgr | Titan8990: so was it a backport you used or, as you said, a source build and install? |
| 21:15.30 | greycat | packages migrate from unstable to testing periodically. |
| 21:15.42 | abrotman | blames stew |
| 21:15.43 | niklaswe | does someone know if AMD Athlon will work with kvm? |
| 21:15.46 | Titan8990 | rgr, sorry, source build and install |
| 21:15.54 | valdyn | niklaswe: wont |
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| 21:16.03 | rgr | but you know there is a backport now? Works well. |
| 21:16.24 | blip- | ok. so sid it is... one final question, if I don't manage to install sid on my ARM device, is there another way I can get boost 1.40 on the lenny I currently have installed ? is it worth looking at compiling boost for ARM ? |
| 21:16.39 | Titan8990 | rgr, yeah, I just checked and I see that. It was not available at the time I did it |
| 21:16.41 | niklaswe | valdyn: the cpu doesn't has support for it? |
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| 21:16.45 | greycat | blip-: if lenny is already installed, you UPGRADE to sid. you don't install sid. |
| 21:17.22 | blip- | greycat: but isn't it more complex that I'm running it on an ARM phone :) (an Android) |
| 21:18.01 | greycat | I wouldn't know.... |
| 21:18.10 | blip- | ok |
| 21:18.20 | Justin | blip-: what are you trying to run anyway? |
| 21:18.43 | blip- | I'll try the upgrade first (I guess it'll take 2 days to install).. worst case I install it from my PC then onto the phone. |
| 21:18.51 | blip- | thanks greycat, Titan8990, abrotman |
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| 21:19.09 | Titan8990 | Justin, his own development iirc |
| 21:19.09 | blip- | Justin: just get boost 1.40 on an ARM device |
| 21:19.19 | blip- | yeah |
| 21:19.22 | Justin | boost is a library not an application... |
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| 21:19.44 | blip- | yes |
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| 21:20.02 | Justin | what do you need boost for? |
| 21:20.05 | Posterdati | hi |
| 21:20.14 | blip- | Justin: some code that uses it :) |
| 21:20.18 | valdyn | ooo nice |
| 21:20.27 | Posterdati | please I need help with kdevelop 3.5.2 and autoconf: |
| 21:20.28 | valdyn | nvidia packages conflict with themselves |
| 21:20.28 | Posterdati | *** YOU'RE USING Autoconf version 2.13. |
| 21:20.30 | Posterdati | *** KDE requires autoconf 2.53 or newer |
| 21:20.54 | Justin | valdyn: since you can only have one nvidia driver installed at a time, I would hope so |
| 21:21.09 | greycat | Posterdati: sounds fairly clear. |
| 21:21.24 | valdyn | Justin: im not talking about something that is not a bug |
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| 21:22.03 | valdyn | right now nvidia-glx-dev is conflicting with its own nvidia-glx, but only in sid |
| 21:22.20 | Titan8990 | judd, versions autoconf |
| 21:22.20 | judd | Titan8990: autoconf -- etch: 2.61-4 lenny: 2.61-8 sid: 2.61-8 experimental: 2.63-2 squeeze: 2.64-4 sid: 2.64-6 |
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| 21:22.27 | Titan8990 | where does 2.13 come from? |
| 21:22.50 | valdyn | Depends: nvidia-glx (>= 190.42) and *also* Conflicts: nvidia-glx (>= 190.42) |
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| 21:23.22 | Posterdati | greycat: there's no autoconf2.5 in lenny repository |
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| 21:23.46 | Titan8990 | Posterdati, theres no 2.13 either, where did you get it? |
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| 21:24.16 | Posterdati | Titan8990: there's an autoconf2.13 |
| 21:24.28 | valdyn | judd: versions autoconf2.13 |
| 21:24.29 | judd | valdyn: autoconf2.13 -- etch: 2.13-58 lenny: 2.13-59 sid: 2.13-59 squeeze: 2.13-59 |
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| 21:24.41 | Titan8990 | Posterdati, alright... aptitude install autoconf |
| 21:25.12 | valdyn | judd: versions autoconf2.59 |
| 21:25.12 | judd | valdyn: autoconf2.59 -- sid: 2.59-1 squeeze: 2.59-1 |
| 21:25.33 | valdyn | judd: versions autoconf2.53 |
| 21:25.33 | judd | valdyn: autoconf2.53 -- |
| 21:26.00 | Titan8990 | valdyn, version 2.61 is the 'autoconf' packages |
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| 21:26.55 | Posterdati | Titan8990: I did, no way! |
| 21:27.48 | greycat | I seem to recall that if you have both autoconf AND autoconf2.13 installed, Debian's "/usr/bin/autoconf" will try to guess which one you actually run, based on the existence or absence of an aucotonf.ac file. Or something similar. |
| 21:27.59 | sphenxes | I have home network, with linux an windows computers. I would like to install a backup server. what is an easy to use backup software. i tried bacula but it was difficult to install (almost i can't start it). I am taking a look at BackupPC which looks fine and easy to use for me. Any suggestion please. |
| 21:28.05 | greycat | wow, I mangled that filename |
| 21:28.15 | Titan8990 | greycat, guessing that is configurable via update-alternatives? |
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| 21:28.51 | nelly | I've got a .diff file containing debian control files and a source tarball. Is it simply a case of "tar xzvf foo.tgz && patch < foo-ver.diff && cd foo && dpkg-buildpackage"? |
| 21:28.57 | greycat | dunno, I haven't looked at that stuff in ages |
| 21:29.04 | lhx_ | !version |
| 21:29.04 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 21:29.18 | Titan8990 | sphenxes, linux backup is easy.... windows backup solutions are usually either terrible or expensive |
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| 21:30.08 | sphenxes | Titan8990, which software you suggest? |
| 21:30.11 | greycat | expensive usually implies terrible, in the software world |
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| 21:30.49 | Titan8990 | sphenxes, there is however rsync for windows, but it will not preserve NTFS permissions.... |
| 21:31.31 | Titan8990 | sphenxes, it will be suitable for a data backup and you can use an rsync daemon on the server to transfer the data |
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| 21:31.45 | Titan8990 | sphenxes, called "deltacopy" |
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| 21:32.32 | sphenxes | Titan8990, thanks |
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| 21:33.10 | Titan8990 | greycat, usually, but I had one in mind Acronis True image, which is expensive but not that terrible... however the linux server application for it is about $1,200 |
| 21:33.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | how do I best detect if some other machine uses the same IP as I do? I just got "connection interrupted" from firefox, but ping on my IP doesn't give a duplicate response |
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| 21:33.42 | zanberdo | ok, noob question: I have two new modules I'd like to ensure are loaded each time my system boots. Where do I add a reference such that the modules will load and I won't have to run modprobe at each boot? |
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| 21:33.47 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, check your arp table on your switch |
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| 21:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, it's university, so not "my switch" |
| 21:34.05 | greycat | zanberdo: /etc/modules unless someone changed it while I wasn't looking |
| 21:34.09 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, check wireshark for another machine replying to arp that should be going to your machine |
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| 21:34.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't ping give me DUP replies? |
| 21:34.30 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, either way, arp is the key |
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| 21:34.49 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, no, it will go to whoever's MAC was last cached in the address table of the switch |
| 21:35.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I could try arping, I guess |
| 21:35.24 | Justin | yes, use arping |
| 21:35.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | but it's on my local net (obviously) ... or should be |
| 21:35.27 | zanberdo | greycat, thanks. I know I'd seen that someplace before but I was drawing a complete blank. |
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| 21:36.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm, nothing answers to arping to my ip |
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| 21:37.05 | JoeK | i am unable to get htttp headers from wget or apt-get, what could be the possible cause? |
| 21:37.09 | JoeK | on debian 5.0 lenny |
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| 21:37.16 | bioe007 | is there an xampp package for debian? |
| 21:37.21 | greycat | "if $string begins with a /" |
| 21:37.21 | JoeK | during install i couldnt scan mirrors and etc |
| 21:37.25 | greycat | sorry. |
| 21:37.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | JoeK, "wget --server-response"? (see man wget) |
| 21:38.23 | xreal | A question to "DD"-tool: My NTFS-disk has 160 GB, only 20 GB is filled. Is it possible to make a sector-copy, which is only 20 GB? Or does it always need to backup 160 GB ? |
| 21:38.50 | JoeK | "HTTP request sent, awaiting response..." |
| 21:38.52 | JoeK | it hangs there |
| 21:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | xreal, look at partimage |
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| 21:39.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | JoeK, it can't display a header if it doesn't receive one... |
| 21:39.24 | lucaelle79 | ciao |
| 21:39.29 | lucaelle79 | !list |
| 21:39.29 | dpkg | lucaelle79: VATTENE VIA |
| 21:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | obvious, now that I mention it, eh? |
| 21:39.40 | JoeK | well what can i do about it then? -_- |
| 21:39.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | use a server that answers? |
| 21:39.58 | JoeK | google.com answers im sure of |
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| 21:40.22 | JoeK | point is i cant get any http header from ANY server (i tried my own on different servers, and debian archives) |
| 21:40.25 | lucaelle79 | fsdgsdgsd |
| 21:40.29 | JoeK | but i can ping them |
| 21:40.31 | niklaswe | must i patch the kernel 2.6.30 to get xen support? |
| 21:40.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps something blocks port 80? |
| 21:40.49 | lucaelle79 | suc......... |
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| 21:41.05 | JoeK | then it wouldnt "connect" wouldnt it? |
| 21:41.10 | JoeK | "Connecting google.com |
| 21:41.13 | JoeK | er sorry |
| 21:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | that means it's trying to |
| 21:41.24 | JoeK | "Connecting google.com|74.125.53.100|:80... connected." |
| 21:41.39 | JoeK | and then it hangs at HTTP request sent, awaiting response..." |
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| 21:42.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | what exactly is the command you use |
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| 21:42.29 | JoeK | "wget google.com" |
| 21:42.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | works for me |
| 21:42.55 | JoeK | exactly |
| 21:42.57 | JoeK | thats the problem |
| 21:42.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | Saving to: `index.html' |
| 21:43.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | and so on |
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| 21:43.28 | JoeK | right, this cant, in ANY way, get http headers |
| 21:43.30 | JoeK | thats the problem |
| 21:43.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps "iptables-save" tells you something? |
| 21:43.42 | JoeK | even during debian install, it couldnt "scan" the mirrors (Apt configure) |
| 21:43.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | that more sounds like your router intercepts or something |
| 21:44.09 | greycat | a firewall somewhere. |
| 21:45.00 | BlondVador | Hi all, i search a debian with openbox all configured, do you know it ? |
| 21:45.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's no firewall rules on the installer CD, so it must be somewhere later |
| 21:45.43 | zanberdo | another noob question: I'd like to add a menu item to my gnome menu. I'm trying to use gmenu-simple-editor but it doesn't have the option to add a new item. I'm running debian etch, so I'm guessing this option is not available. how do I add a new menu item to gnome? |
| 21:46.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see why the linux kernel still can't detect someone else using the same IP anyway... |
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| 21:48.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh, what's that in /var/log/messages http://pastebin.com/f73b4f50e |
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| 21:49.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like hard-disk |
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| 21:49.55 | becky | CutMeOwnThroat, maybe because it's not a task of the kernel |
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| 21:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 21:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | says it's in scsi_mod |
| 21:51.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure I can read much more out of it... |
| 21:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... except that it's not nice that those are all over the place |
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| 21:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, actually, this looks useful: INFO: task vol_id:11541 blocked for more than 120 seconds. |
| 21:54.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | I can't decide if that's something to ignore or that I better take care of immediately |
| 21:54.33 | valdyn | !judd: versions alacarte |
| 21:54.57 | valdyn | zanberdo: try if alacarte is in etch |
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| 21:55.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, '!' is for dpkg |
| 21:55.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions alacarte |
| 21:55.37 | valdyn | judd: versions alacarte |
| 21:55.37 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: alacarte -- etch: 0.8-5 lenny: 0.11.5-1 sid: 0.11.6-1 sid: 0.12.4-1 squeeze: 0.12.4-1 |
| 21:55.39 | judd | valdyn: alacarte -- etch: 0.8-5 lenny: 0.11.5-1 sid: 0.11.6-1 sid: 0.12.4-1 squeeze: 0.12.4-1 |
| 21:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 21:55.44 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yea i should know |
| 21:56.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | there is no dpkg-command "judd:" :) |
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| 21:56.31 | JoeK | ugh wtf -.- |
| 21:56.34 | JoeK | iptables -L is clear |
| 21:56.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, you ever seen something like in my pastebin above? |
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| 21:57.19 | JoeK | CutMeOwnThroat, i cant seem to ping that machine from my home either |
| 21:57.56 | brick | is update-initramfs preferable to mkinitramfs ? |
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| 21:58.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | JoeK, that's normal if it's behind a NAT... well, you can ping the NAT router then... if it respondds to pings |
| 21:58.24 | rgr | here's a good one :-) I installed cpufreqd on my thinkpad and then the CPU Freq Scaling monitor 2.22.3. The scaling monitor gets it wrong. It says the CPU is running at 66% when I start a CPU intsensive task and then goes back to 100% when the CPU is doing nothing. Interesting. And I bet there's a good reason for it. |
| 21:58.30 | JoeK | well its ifconfig is different then the VPS providor's |
| 21:58.42 | JoeK | should i go ahead and setup static config? (ip) |
| 21:58.43 | oblio_ | anyone have any thoughts on why my qt4 fonts look so horrible on a fresh squeeze install |
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| 22:03.01 | zanberdo_ | valdyn, thank you! that did the trick. Now, can I associate the right-click|edit menu with alacarte as opposed to gmenu-simple-editor? |
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| 22:03.42 | smacnay | Is there a way to track an app's updates without actually having it installed? |
| 22:03.56 | rerushg | oblio: sounds like a tinkering job... change resolution, font style or size maybe? |
| 22:03.59 | martianlobster | when I run htop on my debian server with 8 cores, and I am running this one program that uses a lot of cpu, I get NAN for cpu usage on one core. Does anyone know what this means? |
| 22:04.24 | rgr | normally a NAN is "not a number" ... |
| 22:04.29 | JPT | yeah.. |
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| 22:04.39 | JPT | like infinity or division by zero |
| 22:04.43 | martianlobster | yes, so how can htop return NAN, for cpu usage? |
| 22:04.46 | Justin | normally it is NaN |
| 22:04.49 | martianlobster | 0 / 0 |
| 22:04.54 | Justin | martianlobster: anything / 0 |
| 22:05.20 | sheldon | hello all, why i can do update with ipv6 of security.debian.org ??? |
| 22:05.21 | martianlobster | it seems odd that htop is giving NAN as a number for cpu usage |
| 22:05.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | he'd have listed 1/0 and the others in the following oo lines :-/ |
| 22:05.29 | JPT | mh..you could try 'top' |
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| 22:05.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | martianlobster, perhaps it thinks you got 0 CPUs for some reason |
| 22:05.56 | oblio_ | would a geforce 7xxx series really only support 24bit color depth? |
| 22:06.13 | JPT | oblio_: there are only 16 and 32bit color depth... |
| 22:06.18 | JPT | 24bit is something virtual |
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| 22:06.29 | martianlobster | or maybe my app is sucking up so much cpu, htop doesn't have enough cpu to run properly, and can't do any polling on that cpu, so 0 polls is in the denominator |
| 22:06.42 | sheldon | some packet can't be installed with this ipv6 address |
| 22:06.45 | niklaswe | where in a vanilla kernel can i found xen support. i cant find it |
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| 22:07.01 | machtfuernacht | niklaswe Processor Type and features |
| 22:07.06 | sheldon | ho shit that make some time to install packet now :s |
| 22:07.11 | Justin | niklaswe: it's not there |
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| 22:07.40 | machtfuernacht | Justin domU support is available in vanilla kernel sources |
| 22:07.57 | Justin | machtfuernacht: probably not what he is looking for :) |
| 22:08.10 | blizzow2 | anyone here know what package allows nautilus to browse bluetooth or connect via obex in squeeze? |
| 22:08.47 | oblio_ | jpt: i cant launch x11 in 32bit |
| 22:08.47 | shannon_ | Hey, I'm trying to set it up so that I can ssh into my laptop over the internet. I've installed openssh-server, but when I ssh from another machine to the IP that should be my laptop it waits for a long time then says connection refused. I'm stuck |
| 22:08.56 | JPT | mhh |
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| 22:09.40 | oblio_ | jpt: i think it's for GLX maybe? |
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| 22:10.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno - from http://pastebin.com/f11f33383 I don't find anything (any disk) on my system which has an id 11541 |
| 22:10.00 | JPT | i don't really know that much about X11 and the nvidia drivers... |
| 22:10.19 | JPT | i managed to get my 8800GT to work and i did not try to change stuff |
| 22:10.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, there's a process with a PID of that number |
| 22:10.45 | niklaswe | machtfuernacht: itÅ not there.. i cant find it there.. |
| 22:11.07 | machtfuernacht | niklaswe Which version? |
| 22:11.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's /lib/udev/vol_id --export /dev/.tmp-8-96 - that actually looks kind of promising |
| 22:11.20 | niklaswe | machtfuernacht: 2.6.30 |
| 22:11.34 | machtfuernacht | 32 or 64 Bit? |
| 22:11.41 | niklaswe | machtfuernacht: 32 |
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| 22:12.19 | machtfuernacht | hmm on 32 Bit it depends on another Feature |
| 22:12.34 | machtfuernacht | You can search in menuconfig with / |
| 22:12.34 | niklaswe | i cant find which :/ |
| 22:12.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | so could all those errors come from some disk/stick I plugged in before the weekend? |
| 22:12.53 | machtfuernacht | 4GB PAE has to be disabled or something like this |
| 22:13.01 | niklaswe | machtfuernacht: i have done that. and enable the things.. but i have miss something |
| 22:13.05 | niklaswe | machtfuernacht: i will check again |
| 22:13.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | how (un)safe is it to kill /lib/udev/vol_id? |
| 22:13.47 | JoeK | fixed my problem |
| 22:14.43 | rgr | shannon_: you might need to open port 22 using firestarter. |
| 22:15.08 | rgr | also if you use a router check that too. |
| 22:15.55 | niklaswe | machtfuernacht: ty now i find it |
| 22:16.19 | rgr | shannon_: also did you mean ssh from your laptop into your home machine? Did you set up ssh keys and transfer the public part into the .authorized file in ~/.ssh on each machine? |
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| 22:16.52 | shannon_ | rgr Yeah. I set up port forwarding on the router. Before I set this up attempting to ssh to my laptop would give connection refused immediately, after setting up port forwarding attempt to ssh waits a very long time then times out. Hypothesis: the laptop is to blame |
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| 22:17.17 | shannon_ | rgr -- I mean ssh from another machine elsewhere _to_ my laptop (when my laptop is at home on my home network) |
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| 22:18.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | aw, killing it just made it a zombie... but seems to be.."safe" guess I'll find out with time |
| 22:19.25 | JoeK | can i automaticly configure apt to find the fastest mirror? |
| 22:19.32 | JoeK | i know theres a package somewhere for that |
| 22:20.29 | smacnay | JoeK, apt-spy |
| 22:20.32 | smacnay | I think |
| 22:21.03 | JoeK | id need to get it from wget since my apt-get isnt working |
| 22:21.14 | cheako | Hello, A long time ago there was an application that simulated MSwindows periodic seeking of the floppy drive, to help prevent the buildup of dust. |
| 22:21.28 | cheako | I need something like that to help with my BluRay burner. |
| 22:22.56 | cheako | It refuses to eject when there is no media(I'm aware of the locking feature, how do I pool the status of this?) After running "file -s" on the device it ejects just fine, odd perhaps not if there is a built in sleep function or something. |
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| 22:24.48 | cheako | I also have a number of other problems with this drive, to witch there are no FirmWare updates. The (auto)tray load feature produces no medium, a short(5 to 15 seconds) wait and the disk is loaded completely. |
| 22:24.58 | shannon_ | rgr I got it! It was my router config. So with debian 5 the only debian thing you have to do is install openssh-server |
| 22:25.46 | rgr | ok I have an issue with nfs which I am unable to resolve. What other options are there to see a remote hard drive in my home network? Ideally I could also mount from the net too using ssh or something (sshfs possibly). |
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| 22:26.01 | rgr | shannon_: possibly. I added it as en eventtype using firestarter too. |
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| 22:26.38 | shannon_ | rgr Definitely, I have it working and never used firestarter |
| 22:26.59 | cheako | rgr: You could digress to using samba, but I wouldn't expect your problem to be solved. |
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| 22:27.20 | rgr | googling it seems samba is a kettle of snakes too. |
| 22:27.46 | cheako | rgr: What nfs problem do you have? I've used nfs a lot. |
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| 22:28.32 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:28.57 | bioe007 | hi, i'm trying to build dwm in debian5.0.3, i can't find Xinerama.h though |
| 22:28.57 | joapuipe | #soc |
| 22:28.58 | kermit | where are default mount options set? that is, when even fstab just has 'defaults' |
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| 22:29.48 | cheako | rgr: This sounds like it's an NFS /feature/ that's also vary adjustable. |
| 22:29.58 | patterson | so . we just like the noise,like an old newsroom or a ball park |
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| 22:30.11 | cheako | rgr: There are several ways this can happen. |
| 22:30.15 | patterson | debian on a 42' screen |
| 22:30.38 | patterson | so to speak, as it were |
| 22:30.51 | rgr | pasted "log of nfs issue" at http://paste2.org/p/519078 |
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| 22:31.32 | rgr | cheako: there you see me ssh into laptop and you can see the root owned "videos" then I return back and show you the "shamrock" owned source dir. |
| 22:32.01 | rgr | ignore the "mount" on the "server" which shows sshfs. I was just trying something else. |
| 22:32.02 | patterson | in the googleplex lobby |
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| 22:32.27 | patterson | dude |
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| 22:33.03 | cheako | rgr: On line 22, it should read: ls -l videos |
| 22:33.20 | cheako | still reading. |
| 22:33.33 | rgr | no it shouldnt. thats the source which I mount. |
| 22:33.54 | rgr | (you can see the mount on the last line or so) |
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| 22:35.16 | cheako | rgr: I see, but videos is the name of the folder you are trying to access, there is No such file or directory called "root". |
| 22:35.30 | rgr | yes. that was an error. Ignore that. |
| 22:35.43 | rgr | the point of interest is the ls -l where you see videos is owned by root on the client. |
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| 22:36.15 | rgr | (lien 21 shows that) |
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| 22:36.27 | cheako | rgr: Ohh, IC. use "ls -ln" or so to see the numerical users/groups. |
| 22:36.37 | rgr | whereas you can see its owned by shamrock on the server (line 35) |
| 22:37.00 | remote | how can I get the source code of a package? |
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| 22:37.24 | cheako | rgr: You should be using NIS or something to ensure the user database on each server is identical. |
| 22:37.25 | ranix | apt-get source foo |
| 22:37.30 | rgr | cheako: all are 1000/1000 except videos which is 0 0 |
| 22:37.30 | ranix | will put it in ./ |
| 22:38.17 | rgr | and the user id on both is 1000 for user shamrock. |
| 22:38.34 | rgr | and on server its 1000/1000 |
| 22:38.43 | cheako | rgr: Type "getent passwd 0" |
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| 22:39.24 | rgr | But keeping mind the first 5 dirs work fine? |
| 22:39.24 | cheako | rgr: or getent passwd... 1000, root, shamrock, ect |
| 22:39.53 | rgr | 6 dirs even. |
| 22:40.25 | cheako | rgr: It's a password database lookup problem, NFS3 only transmits numerical IDs NFS4 does new fangled and perhaps broken stuff with names as strings. |
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| 22:41.00 | cheako | rgr: The user IDs are fine, it's just how the ls program translates these into names that's broken for you. |
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| 22:41.06 | rgr | ok. So what do I do to fix it? (one machine is lenny and the other is testing) |
| 22:41.16 | Sergio` | How do I search for files in packages not installed? |
| 22:41.20 | patterson | heh |
| 22:41.27 | abrotman | !tell Sergio` about apt-file |
| 22:41.32 | cheako | rgr: I suspect you will be running 'vipw' in the near future. |
| 22:41.37 | patterson | may i sit at your console please |
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| 22:41.54 | patterson | as it were |
| 22:42.10 | cheako | rgr: For a long term fix setup NIS or something and migrate all your user data into that. |
| 22:42.16 | rgr | both users (shamrock and root) have same IDs and same passwords on both machines. |
| 22:42.51 | cheako | rgr: Type "grep shamrock /etc/passwd" |
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| 22:43.07 | patterson | just keep bruce scheneir put of here |
| 22:43.34 | patterson | so to speak |
| 22:44.09 | rgr | returns exact the same on both machines |
| 22:44.50 | cheako | rgr: and your sure the numerical IDs are 1000 and 0 as they should be? |
| 22:44.51 | portn0k | rgr: and your sure the numerical IDs are 1000 and 0 as they should be? |
| 22:44.59 | abrotman | rgr: hi |
| 22:45.03 | portn0k | rgr: hi |
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| 22:45.12 | patterson | "hi" |
| 22:45.15 | cheako | portn0k, lovely to meet you. |
| 22:45.26 | abrotman | patterson: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 22:45.39 | patterson | You Lokk Nice Today Mrs Cleaver |
| 22:45.40 | rgr | 1000/1000 and 0 0 for shamrock and root respectively on both machines. |
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| 22:46.19 | rgr | not problem with sshfs mount btw so I can use that anyway. |
| 22:46.25 | caraconan | Hi. Has someone nagios nrpe plugin working started as a xinetd service? |
| 22:46.34 | rgr | and if was user problem why 6 out of 7 dirs are shared fine? |
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| 22:49.12 | sly007 | Hello, I don'member:t want the users to do a ps aux, I just want them to be able to see their process, is that possible? |
| 22:50.14 | cheako | rgr: I'm still not clear on what you think is happening. What I think is that the NFS server says these 6 are owned by 1000 and this 1 is owned by 0. After that ls files in the purely cosmetic names incorrectly. |
| 22:50.28 | BenBE | German Petition on (pro) OpenAccess: https://epetitionen.bundestag.de/index.php?action=petition;sa=details;petition=7922 |
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| 22:50.57 | cheako | diskseekd is what I'm looking for. |
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| 22:52.06 | rgr | cheako: on the source it is not owned by 0. As the paste shows its owned by shamrock/1000. All the dirs were created by the same user. |
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| 22:52.36 | rgr | I even did the ls -nl to show the 1000 for all dirs. |
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| 22:53.43 | cheako | rgr: ohh, wow. so the NFS server has one set of permissions, but on the client it looks different? |
| 22:53.57 | cheako | rgr: Try forcing the use of NFSv3 and not NFSv4. |
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| 22:54.27 | rgr | No. Not permissions. the nfs client sees ONE of the dirs as root owned. |
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| 22:55.04 | rgr | http://paste2.org/p/519078 line 21 and 25 |
| 22:55.14 | cheako | rgr: That is some what strange. |
| 22:55.18 | rgr | yes. |
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| 22:55.31 | rgr | I'll use sshfs. Thanks. |
| 22:55.43 | cheako | rgr: kk. |
| 22:56.09 | taras | I have this problem in lenny: kde4 works for one user, now I decided to migrate with my primary one - and how can that happen |
| 22:56.15 | taras | kde4 starts over kde3 |
| 22:56.26 | taras | I've setupped .xsession |
| 22:56.36 | taras | only script to start kde4 |
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| 22:57.29 | taras | aka first starts kde3 desktop and kicker and then plasma over it |
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| 22:57.39 | cheako | rgr: Ahh, it's the folder under the mount point... Mount points have two sets of owner ship, to fix this you can unmount debian-videos change the ownership of the mount point and then mount it again. |
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| 22:58.47 | cheako | rgr: Don't ever have the root of a file system owned by any one other then root, as a general rule. Use symlinks instead. |
| 22:58.49 | endri | hi i have a cheap mp3 player but it does not sort the files alphabetically. how can i remove all the tags |
| 22:58.57 | endri | of the mp3 files |
| 22:59.11 | themill | taras: kde4 isn't in lenny though. |
| 22:59.23 | taras | themill: I have it compiled myself |
| 22:59.25 | MrBoss | i has a server with debian 5 qnd when i run a eggdrop this only connect in server just running eggdrop -n why? |
| 22:59.46 | valdyn | taras: there may be a reason why kde 3 and 4 are not installable at the same time on debian |
| 22:59.47 | rgr | debian videos is not a mount. Its a subdir of multimedia. |
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| 23:00.03 | taras | valdyn: it works for another user that never launched kde3 |
| 23:00.23 | rgr | its nothing more complicated than ~/multimedia/{d1,d2,d2 etc} |
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| 23:00.34 | cheako | rgr: there is an LVM volume for debian-videos, where is this mounted? |
| 23:00.39 | taras | do only .xsession affect what DE starts? |
| 23:00.41 | valdyn | taras: so it will work for you after removing kde session settings |
| 23:00.42 | themill | taras: what do you have in ~/.dmrc and ~/.xinitrc |
| 23:00.47 | valdyn | taras: or removing ~/.kde |
| 23:00.49 | valdyn | taras: or removing ~/.kde* |
| 23:00.55 | rgr | its not. |
| 23:01.13 | rgr | or rather its nothing to do with this ... I hope! Let me go and double check. |
| 23:01.22 | taras | themill: in .dmrc Session=default |
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| 23:02.04 | cheako | rgr: If you need to serve out sub-mounts there is a flag you need to set. It's actually better to have one NFS mount for each file system you need shared. |
| 23:02.04 | rgr | cheako: you could well be right. I have zero idea. Hang on ..... |
| 23:02.21 | taras | asd |
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| 23:02.59 | taras | can I set Session="nothing" or smth like that? |
| 23:03.24 | rgr | cheako: that was it! I totally forgot videos went into a new LVM partition I had freed up. So what best way to do this? |
| 23:04.30 | cheako | rgr: the way I'd have done this is created folders in / for each of these to be mounted on. |
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| 23:04.59 | taras | themill: so what to do? |
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| 23:05.38 | cheako | rgr: Then put symlinks into the users folders pointing into these file systems and symlinks in these file systems(be careful here the the links will work on each system). |
| 23:06.05 | remote | i installed debian for amd64 on an intel workstation |
| 23:06.28 | cheako | rgr: as it is now, you could just add another export to where the file system is and another fstab entry to mount it. |
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| 23:07.08 | rgr | cheako: actuially all I really wanted to share was the videos so I explicitly shared that as opposed to the higher level and then changed the client fstab. Just tested. Works fine. Mayn thanks : I had been looking at it too long and totally missed that last fastba line for the LVM! |
| 23:07.31 | themill | taras: no idea. |
| 23:08.03 | cheako | rgr: Any time, I like working problems like this. |
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| 23:09.34 | rgr | oh groan. Time for a break ... libnotify-Message: Unable to get session bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-cVqDkH8izD: Connection refused [3 times] |
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| 23:10.06 | jandro | Hi |
| 23:11.43 | cheako | I'm sad that I have several gnome launchers on my pannel and in drawers and they all share the same icon. |
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| 23:12.45 | taras | setting another KDEHOME doesn't help. its definetly some problem with X |
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| 23:13.10 | cheako | It's labor intensive to locate icons that would fit the nature of each application, however I propose that the default icon should be randomly chosen from a perhaps large set of application neutral icons... Majong tiles for example. |
| 23:13.41 | jandro | I have a problem when trying to open nautilus preferences in testing, it crashes and desktop icons disapear until i run nautilus again. Trying to open it in the terminal shows a "segmentation fault". I went troubleshooting in google and the bug is reported, but I didn't manage to find a solution other than updating nautilus to the unstable version. Is anyone experiencing the same? Is there any fix for it? |
| 23:13.51 | niklaswe | gaaah where can i find the SYS_HYPERVISOR when i search it says =n but i cant find it in the menu |
| 23:14.29 | cheako | jandro: I had the same problem, I eventualy discoverd that it only effected icons in my home and sub(I.E. Desktop) folders. |
| 23:15.06 | remote | can someone explain me what the impact of installing debian for amd64 on an intel computer is? |
| 23:15.10 | remote | i'm even surprised it works |
| 23:15.19 | cheako | jandro: My thought is there is an application setting that is causing this and I have been unable to clear it. |
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| 23:16.33 | jandro | cheako: It seems that it isn't a problem of debian user only. Gentoo, ubuntu and fedora users seem to have the same problem... |
| 23:16.56 | _overflow_ | Hello, how can export/import a list of installed packages? |
| 23:17.07 | _overflow_ | so I could replicate it |
| 23:17.12 | themill | _overflow_: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 23:17.20 | _overflow_ | thanks |
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| 23:19.21 | pipeline | remote: of course it works |
| 23:19.26 | pipeline | remote: it's just the name of the architecture |
| 23:19.31 | jandro | cheako: thanks, I'll consider updating to the unstable version of nautilus. Do you know if such update changes a lot of packages in the system? |
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| 23:19.36 | niklaswe | does someone know where in the kernel i can found SYS_HYPERVISOR ?? |
| 23:19.43 | darkblue_B | hi - I installed KDE3.5 last night and it worked fine.. I installed KDE4.2 just now, and the graphics and fonts are screwy.. is there a way I can set 3.5 as my default desktop again? |
| 23:19.49 | pipeline | remote: i386's formal name is "ia32," for "intel architecture 32," but you can still install it on an AMD PC :P |
| 23:20.13 | pipeline | remote: (ia64 is, oddly, itanium. I have no idea what intel calls their 64 bit extended ia32.) |
| 23:20.36 | cheako | jandro: Not a clue, it's sad that the problem has not been corrected. I smell a security update to fix some memory out of bounds issue. |
| 23:21.25 | \amethyst | pipeline: originally IA-32e and EM64T, now "Intel64" |
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| 23:22.09 | caraconan | Hi. Has someone nagios nrpe plugin working started as a xinetd service? |
| 23:22.16 | \amethyst | pipeline: Intel doesn't use "IA-64" for "Itanium" anymore |
| 23:22.30 | jandro | thanks cheako, I'll update or install a different file manager |
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| 23:27.54 | taras | what affects DE start more then .xsession and .dmrc? |
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| 23:28.01 | Argonimion | hi |
| 23:28.21 | Argonimion | i've installed grub-efi from testing |
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| 23:29.08 | Argonimion | grub loads at startup, but most of the commands can't be found |
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| 23:35.05 | rgr | jandro: pcmanfm is a nice fast file manager |
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| 23:36.57 | rgr | yegods. Every time I think my laptop is the best linux laptop in the world I discover something else. Now the sound does not work. quelle surprise :-( |
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| 23:37.53 | jandro | rgr: thanks! I'll check it out. |
| 23:38.09 | zinx | rgr: did you unmute it? |
| 23:38.26 | rgr | funnily enough it was the first time I ever installed debian where it wasnt musted! |
| 23:38.32 | rgr | muted even |
| 23:38.55 | jandro | rgr: is pcmanfm as fully featured as nautilus? |
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| 23:39.16 | rgr | "meets my needs" : ie fast, pretype and reliable. |
| 23:39.25 | pipeline | nautilus is hardly full-featured in this day and age |
| 23:39.53 | rgr | what more do you want from a gui front end to a file system? Dies an ok job, |
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| 23:41.22 | jandro | rgr: that's right, looks alike nautilus pretty much |
| 23:43.05 | careta | hey does anybody also think that evince renders pdf files much worse than acroread? |
| 23:43.16 | rgr | ok. so lspci sees the ac'97 audio controller but no sound. What next? |
| 23:43.33 | Titan8990 | careta, xpdfview |
| 23:43.41 | rgr | the adobe reader is *far* better than the open alternatives IMO. Sorry. |
| 23:44.00 | zinx | rgr: only because adobe fails at specs |
| 23:44.05 | zinx | evince isn't too horrible |
| 23:44.09 | zinx | (usually) |
| 23:44.27 | careta | rgr, I think it *renders* far better, but its performance is a million times worse than evince |
| 23:44.37 | rgr | true. But the fact remains that I tried them all and the adobe one is faster, better designed, easier to navigate. Nothing to do with specs. |
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| 23:44.55 | rgr | careta: interesting. I didnt find that. |
| 23:45.08 | careta | rgr, scrolling performance in acroread is complete crap compared to evince |
| 23:45.12 | themill | no way. acroread is a slow horrible mess |
| 23:45.23 | careta | but image quality is much better... |
| 23:45.27 | rgr | smooth as silk here. I'll try it on the laptop later. |
| 23:45.40 | rgr | and its a better UI IMO. *shrug*. |
| 23:46.27 | careta | rgr, actually on my new laptop it is better, instead of 100% cpu while scrolling i only get 50% |
| 23:46.32 | careta | still crap |
| 23:46.49 | themill | I vastly prefer kpdf over acroread and out of the dozens of PDFs I deal with each day I only find one every few months that kpdfs has issues with that acroread handles (and many that are the other way around). |
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| 23:49.00 | rgr | I wouldn |
| 23:49.11 | rgr | 't let K* anywhere near my laptop :-; |
| 23:49.27 | careta | Titan8990, unfortunately xpdf render is still inferior to acroread.. i guess its poppler's fault |
| 23:49.45 | rgr | so my sound card is not muted. Whats the next check? |
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| 23:51.34 | simonrvn | xpdf FTW |
| 23:51.45 | rgr | themill: you have pdfs which acroread can not open? Are they corrupt or something? It is the industry standard pretty much after all. |
| 23:52.21 | simonrvn | doesn't mean it's not buggy ;) |
| 23:52.43 | themill | rgr: frequently. Sometimes corrupted in some way, but usually just braindead. |
| 23:53.22 | rgr | can one get xpdf to show more than one page at a time? |
| 23:53.54 | rgr | simonrvn: of course it doesnt mean its bug free. Its highly dumb of anyone to release PDF which the clear leader in terms of "usage" can not open. |
| 23:53.58 | simonrvn | *sigh* '...superseeds...' "supercedes", dude... |
| 23:54.06 | rgr | means the same :-; |
| 23:54.11 | simonrvn | mmhm |
| 23:54.54 | simonrvn | ^^ the above was from a package description |
| 23:54.54 | rgr | dang it. the thinkpad sound worked fine before the new install. |
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| 23:56.01 | devin | trying to mount my external harddrive and i'm getting : cannot get volume.fstype.alternative; debian squeeze. |
| 23:56.49 | sc | super mercedes |
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| 23:58.57 | simonrvn | sc: if that helps you remember how to spell it, so be it ;) |
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| 23:59.45 | sc | :D |
