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| 00:03.13 | TheAvatar | How can I in a regexp match ':digits' or ''? That being either colon digits or nothing (e.g. having :port or no port and no colon) |
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| 00:08.31 | simonrvn | (\d\d\d\d\d|) ? |
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| 00:10.10 | TheAvatar | oh - that simple, lol |
| 00:10.13 | TheAvatar | thanks |
| 00:10.42 | TheAvatar | puh - why didn't I try that - I mean - rather obvious |
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| 00:10.46 | dkr | with a : in front of the ( don't want the entirety of the pattern to be "nothing" since that would always match, :) |
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| 00:12.10 | TheAvatar | huh? Didn't quite get that |
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| 00:12.33 | elopss | how do you download a package and install it with apt-get? is there a one line thing or do you have to apt-get package and then apt-get isntall package? |
| 00:12.41 | dkr | TheAvatar: oh, but there is no colon sometimes. hrm, well you should match something before or after it |
| 00:12.57 | TheAvatar | elopss, apt-get install <package(s)> |
| 00:13.05 | nsadmin | apt-get downloads the package and installs it |
| 00:13.17 | TheAvatar | dkr, it seems to work with (\:\d+|) |
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| 00:13.37 | elopss | how to insall nsadmin ? |
| 00:13.39 | simonrvn | dkr: doh, of course |
| 00:14.03 | nsadmin | apt-get install <packagename> |
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| 00:14.59 | nsadmin | but if you're running lenny you should probably use aptitude |
| 00:15.42 | simonrvn | is still rather amateurish with regexp |
| 00:15.56 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, why specific to lenny? |
| 00:16.50 | TheAvatar | ^\w{3} (\w{3} [ :0-9]{16}); (UDP|TCP|ICMP); .*; \d+ bytes; from ([0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3})(\:\d+|) to ([0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3})(\:\d+|).*$ |
| 00:17.08 | nsadmin | !why aptitude |
| 00:17.08 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 00:17.10 | TheAvatar | and yer, I know the ipv4 isn't doing it properly, but it matches 4x3 numbers, which is okay for me :) |
| 00:17.27 | dkr | TheAvatar: consider echo "foo:1234" | egrep -q '(:\d+|)' && echo match versus echo "" | egrep -q '(:\d+|)' && echo match |
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| 00:18.55 | dkr | ah, ok, so you are matching something before it, that's ok then |
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| 00:24.17 | nsadmin | Titan8990 aptitude adds extra metadata meant to keep track of the packages the user installs directly as opposed to the package dependencies installed as an indirect result of installing a particular package |
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| 00:27.08 | nsadmin | Senesence: look in /var/log |
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| 00:33.18 | M06w | how do I fix dpkg: status database area is locked by another process |
| 00:34.00 | M06w | (from /# dpkg -i libctemplate0_0.91-1i386.deb ) |
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| 00:34.20 | themill | M06w: exit the aptitude, apt-get, dpkg, synaptic etc session that you have running |
| 00:34.53 | M06w | dpkg: error processing libctemplate0_0.91-1_i386.deb (--install): |
| 00:34.53 | M06w | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:34.53 | dpkg | m06w: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 00:35.28 | M06w | the only other lines are "Errors were enccoutered while processing:" and the file name |
| 00:36.05 | themill | M06w: pastebin the entire output and the command you gave. And tell us where you got this .deb from |
| 00:36.28 | nsadmin | looks like it's not where he thinks it is (somehow_ |
| 00:36.32 | M06w | http://wb.mysql.com/?p=158 |
| 00:37.18 | M06w | http://pastebin.com/m7e053bff |
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| 00:37.37 | nsadmin | btw, postgresql may be worth a shot, not knowing anything about how you're going to use it |
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| 00:37.52 | abrotman | M06w: see the part where it says 'ubuntu' ? |
| 00:38.05 | themill | M06w: does /var/www/libctemplate0_0.91-1_i386.deb exist? |
| 00:38.16 | M06w | how should I know |
| 00:38.45 | themill | ... |
| 00:38.54 | M06w | yea, that's what I said...! |
| 00:38.59 | Titan8990 | M06w, because you would have had to put it there prior to running that command |
| 00:39.11 | nsadmin | M06w: by using unix commands like ls? |
| 00:39.41 | M06w | because the #mysql people told me to |
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| 00:40.39 | themill | M06w: step 1 of getting help from irc is to engage brain. Think about the dpkg command you gave and what it means. |
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| 00:41.16 | nsadmin | typically channels for a dist will advocate their package system while channels for a particular app will advocate either their packages or compiling |
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| 00:41.36 | nsadmin | you'll have to decide who to listen to |
| 00:42.21 | limpio | hi, what is the program to partition during the installation? |
| 00:42.29 | M06w | gpart |
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| 00:42.51 | anykey | hey. I have recently gotten a dell server, and am trying to set it up, but I cannot create the last partition on the hard disk. Instead of creating a partition that's 4,3 TB in size, the partition shows up as being zero in size after a reboot (which I have to do then, because the partition table reread fails). Any thoughts? |
| 00:43.17 | limpio | M06w, the one i'm looking for is the old one |
| 00:43.44 | nsadmin | anykey: that covers most or all of the drive? |
| 00:43.59 | anykey | nsadmin: "most" is an appropriate description. |
| 00:44.15 | anykey | there's swap and a systems partition on there, too |
| 00:44.15 | nsadmin | what will you do with that partn? |
| 00:44.31 | nsadmin | this is for a server? |
| 00:44.37 | anykey | nsadmin: throwing everything that needs to be shelved onto it. |
| 00:44.53 | anykey | backup primarily. |
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| 00:45.01 | nsadmin | hmm. -maybe- you should consider lvm |
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| 00:45.24 | anykey | yeah but for doing that I'd need to be able to partition that thing |
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| 00:45.42 | nsadmin | true |
| 00:45.46 | dfinn | inods are a 1 to mapping to files aren't they? |
| 00:45.46 | anykey | aw, wait. LVM has another partition type. |
| 00:46.11 | nsadmin | right, for the "physical volume" |
| 00:46.16 | hoo-hah | is there a linux app that allows me to reauthor dvd - to be able to delete chapters and burn dvd compliant disc |
| 00:46.38 | hoo-hah | preferably with a ui (for video preview) |
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| 00:46.52 | anykey | 8E, Linux LVM. I'll try that. |
| 00:47.06 | anykey | no, no go witht hat either. |
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| 00:47.57 | nsadmin | are there partitions on that drive which are already mounted? |
| 00:48.38 | anykey | worse. there are partitions on it that appear to not be aligned to boundaries. |
| 00:48.56 | nsadmin | but are some mounted? |
| 00:49.03 | anykey | yes. |
| 00:49.17 | anykey | and I cannot umount them if the server's running. |
| 00:49.19 | nsadmin | ok, that would make the partition table busy hence the need for rebooting |
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| 00:51.53 | Janhouse_ | Hi all! What did I have to add after main in sources.list to enable all software (not open source etc.) |
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| 00:52.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Janhouse_: maybe non-free? |
| 00:53.01 | Psi-Jack | non-free doesn't necessarily mean non-opensource, also, Janhouse_. |
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| 00:53.26 | jpinx-eeepc | !+tell Janhouse_ about non-free |
| 00:53.27 | dpkg | told Janhouse_ about non-free (somebody said non-free was a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/) |
| 00:53.29 | Janhouse_ | yes, that one, thx :) |
| 00:54.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Janhouse_: you might want backports for more recent versions of some packages too |
| 00:54.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Janhouse_ about bpo |
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| 00:55.13 | Janhouse_ | jpinx-eeepc, I am using testing version. Do I need backports? |
| 00:55.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Janhouse_: you're on Squeeze? |
| 00:55.46 | Janhouse_ | I think so. |
| 00:56.08 | Janhouse_ | I just installed and updated to testing. Don't know the name of the version :) |
| 00:56.12 | hoo-hah | Is there a tool that allows a user to rotate any sort of text file (log)? |
| 00:56.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Janhouse_: what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 00:56.28 | Janhouse_ | wait, it is still updating :) |
| 00:56.36 | jpinx-eeepc | hoo-hah: logrotate |
| 00:57.17 | Janhouse_ | only sad think that I had to use ext3 instead of ext4 |
| 00:57.39 | zinx | oh how terrible, you don't have the largest number! |
| 00:58.40 | hoo-hah | jpinx-eeepc: I can't see options for user rules |
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| 00:58.59 | hoo-hah | I'd rather the dotfile reside somewhere under home |
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| 00:59.48 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 01:00.46 | jpinx-eeepc | hoo-hah: logrotate has a config file that you cantweak to make it fdo what you want - I believe it will rotate pretty much anything |
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| 01:01.12 | simonrvn | secondsthat and says "it will" |
| 01:01.20 | hoo-hah | http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/48390 |
| 01:01.31 | hoo-hah | found a useful article on it |
| 01:01.31 | hoo-hah | jpinx-eeepc: thanks |
| 01:01.52 | jpinx-eeepc | 10np |
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| 01:03.57 | domo1 | is apt-get update the same as aptitude update |
| 01:05.17 | dkr | yes |
| 01:05.19 | Meths | domo1: Pretty much, the upgrade options are were they differ with aptitude doing more work and providing more information on occasion. |
| 01:05.28 | Meths | where* |
| 01:05.35 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell domo1 about why aptitude |
| 01:06.06 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell dkr about why aptitude |
| 01:06.11 | domo1 | ah well im upgrading my etch system.. and the page says to run aptitude |
| 01:06.14 | domo1 | but my system didnt have it! |
| 01:06.17 | domo1 | so i had to use apt-get |
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| 01:06.41 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell domo1 about etch->lenny |
| 01:06.47 | dserban | I'm getting slow data transfers from one box to another on a 1000mbit link. To other servers, it flies at 38MB/s on this one specific box, I'm getting 4MB/s. What can I check to see what's causing the slow-down? |
| 01:07.18 | jpinx-eeepc | dserban: see what's running? top |
| 01:07.22 | dkr | jpinx-eeepc: the question was about update, and the update commands don't differ, they both just update the local cache of info about packages. i.e. apt-get update then run aptitude -u and nothing will change |
| 01:07.40 | dserban | jpinx-eeepc: not much... loadavg is 0 |
| 01:07.48 | Psi-Jack | !tell Psi-Jack about why aptitude |
| 01:08.04 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Psi-Jack about selftell |
| 01:08.17 | Psi-Jack | Heh |
| 01:09.12 | Janhouse_ | how can I install java on debian? Debian with no gui. |
| 01:09.16 | Janhouse_ | only cli |
| 01:09.51 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Janhouse_ about java |
| 01:10.05 | dkr | !tell Janhouse_ about install java |
| 01:10.23 | dkr | !botwars? |
| 01:10.28 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
| 01:10.34 | Psi-Jack | That bot has too much information. Eventually it will grow to self adaption and AI, and start taking over! ;) |
| 01:10.46 | nsadmin | !listkeys barbie |
| 01:10.47 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'barbie' by key (15 of 194): #debian be bob2 barbie ;; CMD: be an (.*?) barbie ;; _default be simonrvn barbie ;; barbie ;; be action whore barbie ;; be amd barbie ;; be bi-polar barbie ;; be caldera barbie ;; be compaq barbie ;; be cow barbie ;; be doc barbie ;; be file system barbie ;; be irc barbie ;; be phoenix barbie ;; be rahul barbie. |
| 01:10.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Psi-Jack: it's welcome to take over any time it likes;) |
| 01:11.08 | Psi-Jack | jpinx-eeepc: Heh, so you don't have to !tell it all the time? ;) |
| 01:11.19 | nsadmin | !be bi-polar barbie |
| 01:11.20 | dpkg | But bi-polar is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
| 01:12.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !be irc barbie |
| 01:12.13 | dpkg | But irc is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
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| 01:12.52 | nsadmin | yeah I shoulda msgd the bot on those... |
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| 01:32.18 | mikegriffin | hello, are timestamps for dmesg a debian enhancement? |
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| 01:33.53 | mikegriffin | any pointers on information about that? |
| 01:33.55 | abrotman | they're new to Debian .. but i believe other distros do it also |
| 01:35.25 | oggei | it's CONFIG_PRINTK_TIME=y |
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| 01:40.54 | hoo-hah | Is there a way to filter bugreports on b.d.o by date? |
| 01:41.04 | hoo-hah | eg most recent report listed first? |
| 01:42.00 | abrotman | i don't think in the bugs.debian.org .. but you could try to query it i htink |
| 01:43.18 | dondelelcaro | hoo-hah: they're ordered by that by default |
| 01:43.27 | dondelelcaro | (though inverted) |
| 01:44.01 | abrotman | i think he means without the grouping |
| 01:45.06 | hoo-hah | yeah |
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| 01:45.53 | dondelelcaro | well, in theory you could, but the code to do that appears to be broken currently |
| 01:45.56 | dondelelcaro | hasn't bothered to fix it |
| 01:46.13 | abrotman | but he could get the raw data and use that, right? |
| 01:46.19 | dondelelcaro | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?bug-rev=yes;dist=unstable;package=debbugs;ordering=raw would be the standard select |
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| 01:47.51 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sure, you can do that using bts select pkg:foo|sort -rn |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | but not via the web page |
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| 01:51.22 | hoo-hah | oh cool. I've never used bts before |
| 01:51.45 | hoo-hah | dondelelcaro: that command itself when piped to less only shows the bug numbers, not the descriptions |
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| 01:53.41 | dondelelcaro | hoo-hah: yes, because that's what it does. |
| 01:53.53 | dondelelcaro | hoo-hah: bts status file:-; shows the other bits |
| 01:54.04 | M06w | stop doing things to confuse people! |
| 01:54.05 | dondelelcaro | (the manpage is your friend) |
| 01:54.36 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, not currently via the web page. You used to be able to, but I appear to have broken that. |
| 01:55.11 | abrotman | push the blame on someone else! blame themill!! |
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| 01:55.25 | M06w | themill? |
| 01:55.36 | mikegriffin | oggei: thanks! |
| 01:55.38 | M06w | what has themill ever done to anything ever? |
| 01:56.18 | hoo-hah | crap. I haven't tinkered with any font or firefox settings, but my arrows appear as C's with a little hook below it |
| 01:56.46 | dondelelcaro | hoo-hah: you mean a cedilla? ç? |
| 01:56.47 | hoo-hah | nothing changed re: locales, either |
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| 01:58.42 | hoo-hah | I can't see that either |
| 01:58.44 | hoo-hah | http://omploader.org/vMnNlYg |
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| 01:59.03 | hoo-hah | I use Envy Code R font, which is incomplete |
| 01:59.29 | hoo-hah | yeah, wikipedia suggests it is |
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| 02:08.34 | darryl_sockwell | I have a core2 processor. If I want a 64 bit debian install, what netinst should I use? |
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| 02:09.46 | nsadmin | darryl_sockwell amd64 |
| 02:09.54 | darryl_sockwell | nsadmin: thank you :) |
| 02:10.45 | nsadmin | just be aware that not all not-debian-based closed source stuff would be available |
| 02:11.48 | darryl_sockwell | like flash? |
| 02:12.32 | nsadmin | yeah but I think flash works |
| 02:12.48 | darryl_sockwell | okay |
| 02:12.49 | nsadmin | it was an issue for awhile |
| 02:13.12 | darryl_sockwell | i'm reading about using 32-bit libraries under a 64-bit kernel, and it seems workable |
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| 02:13.55 | darryl_sockwell | but i don't think i'm ready to go as far as using a chroot |
| 02:14.32 | darryl_sockwell | although virtualization is an option. I'll just do it and ssee what happens :) |
| 02:14.40 | darryl_sockwell | thanks again nsaa |
| 02:14.45 | darryl_sockwell | nsadmin * |
| 02:15.14 | nsadmin | !find /etc/modprobe.d/lvm_video |
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| 02:15.36 | nsadmin | !find /etc/modprobe.d/lrm_video |
| 02:15.56 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/modprobe.d/lrm_video' returned no results. |
| 02:16.57 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/etc/modprobe.d/lvm_video' returned no results. |
| 02:20.45 | rgr | amazing. Got my sounds working on the X30. This time it was not the main master muted. Nor the PCM. Nor the million other things that I dont even know what they are in the defauilt alsamixer that appears. It was the headphone setting. There were two of them. Muted both and then the onboard sound worked. Thats a new one even for Alsa :-; Still : NOW I have the perfect Linux laptop ... |
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| 02:32.40 | _Trinity_ | hi everyone |
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| 02:34.39 | patterson | cake ? |
| 02:34.57 | _Trinity_ | yes please |
| 02:35.00 | sektor1952 | have a little issue I uninstalled network-manager, but I have network-admin installed all my interfaces are gone |
| 02:35.14 | sektor1952 | I don't want to use network-manager |
| 02:35.55 | _Trinity_ | there's other options |
| 02:36.34 | sektor1952 | I tried network-admin to enable the interfaces but it didn't work |
| 02:36.53 | _Trinity_ | wait a sec, I had another manager |
| 02:36.56 | _Trinity_ | I just can |
| 02:37.04 | _Trinity_ | I just can't remember what it was called |
| 02:38.03 | sektor1952 | I know I got it figured out when I was using ubuntu and I can't remember neither |
| 02:38.04 | jpinx-eeepc | wicd? |
| 02:38.15 | _Trinity_ | yes |
| 02:38.18 | _Trinity_ | that was it |
| 02:39.07 | _Trinity_ | I hardly fiddled around with it but it's supposed to be better than gnome's default |
| 02:39.15 | jpinx-eeepc | it is |
| 02:39.31 | jpinx-eeepc | _Trinity_: install and use |
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| 02:40.13 | _Trinity_ | I never use my wireless cards since I had an issue with a neighbour |
| 02:40.15 | jpinx-eeepc | sektor1952: maybe try wicd |
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| 02:41.53 | smartboyathome | I have just installed GForge, and set it up to run on the correct path in the apache config, but gforge still thinks its running on a different host (I have multiple hosts on this server). It "automagically" took the host from /etc/hostname and used it, which wasn't the right host. How do I correct it? |
| 02:42.06 | smartboyathome | you can see it running here http://gforge.smartboyssite.net/ |
| 02:43.00 | neoice_ | if I want to use eth0.2 in /etc/network/interfaces, will the system just figure it out or do I need to manual add the modules and vconfig eth0? |
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| 03:04.38 | jbergler | Where's the best place to get help with some dpkg-buildpackage issues I'm having |
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| 03:06.45 | rgr | wicd is nice. |
| 03:07.02 | rgr | it also starts the network prior to gnome log on which is great in case of reboot. |
| 03:07.14 | d1b | jbergler: some one on irc.debian.org in #debian might be able to help you |
| 03:07.18 | nsadmin | jbergler you writing the packaging? or just building an existing? |
| 03:09.31 | jbergler | nsadmin, im trying to update the debian packaging for the kamailio package to 3.0 which has just hit release candidate, but no-one on the project seems to maintain it. |
| 03:09.58 | nsadmin | judd versions kamailio |
| 03:09.58 | judd | nsadmin: kamailio -- |
| 03:10.19 | nsadmin | right, looks that way |
| 03:11.05 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: ask #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 03:11.06 | judd | Kamping_Kaiser: Error: "ask" is not a valid command. |
| 03:11.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | er, jbergler ^^ |
| 03:11.33 | nsadmin | and/or ask here |
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| 03:13.01 | nsadmin | no one will know the exact answer without knowing exactly what you want |
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| 03:16.11 | jbergler | nsadmin, my problem is that there are a couple of changes in the way the modules work, i've fixed most of the issues with the actual debian/rules so the packages build but when you try and install them there are a whole bunch of overlapping files and I can't seem to figure out where they're coming from. I dont expect this to be something people can help with straight off the bat. |
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| 03:19.31 | je | I'm downgrading from a 100GB hdd to a 80GB, is there a way to use dd for the job? |
| 03:19.36 | stevenbinion | I'm working on a debian lenny server, I'm trying to setup the mail server now, do I need to have txt and/or spf records? |
| 03:19.57 | d1b | stevenbinion: no. |
| 03:20.02 | stevenbinion | all right. |
| 03:20.19 | d1b | you do not need one, some people like them :) just get the mx correct. |
| 03:20.24 | stevenbinion | and is there any real difference between postfix, dovecot or sendmail? |
| 03:20.42 | stevenbinion | I'd like to have them, but I've never created them before. |
| 03:20.44 | d1b | i just use postfix. |
| 03:20.51 | stevenbinion | know of any good tutorials |
| 03:21.02 | stevenbinion | cool, postfix is what's in there now. |
| 03:21.03 | d1b | what for ?.... (exactly) |
| 03:21.23 | stevenbinion | for creating txt/spf records d1b |
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| 03:21.35 | d1b | stevenbinion: if you don't understand them don't use them. |
| 03:21.37 | rgr | postfix does imap? |
| 03:21.40 | d1b | (spf) |
| 03:21.42 | abrotman | stevenbinion: that's for bind .. not postfix |
| 03:21.47 | stevenbinion | imap and pop3 |
| 03:21.50 | abrotman | !spf |
| 03:21.50 | dpkg | spf is, like, the Sender Policy Framework (formerly Sender Permitted From) is an e-mail validation system to prevent <spam>. http://www.openspf.org/ #spf on irc.perl.org. |
| 03:22.14 | d1b | yes and when you get it wrong, you ca nbe marked as spam or have email dropped! |
| 03:22.25 | stevenbinion | not good. |
| 03:23.08 | jpinx-eeepc | d1b: spf is easy to set up - see their website |
| 03:23.25 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: i didn't say it wasn't easy, i said if you don't understand it please don't use it. |
| 03:23.45 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: people get it wrong and then dont' get why their mail isn't working. |
| 03:23.54 | stevenbinion | I saved the link for when I'm ready to look it over. |
| 03:23.56 | stevenbinion | thanks |
| 03:24.04 | simonrvn | d1b: dovecot doesn't do smtp |
| 03:24.18 | d1b | simonrvn: i didn't say it did.. |
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| 03:24.30 | simonrvn | d1b: sorry, misread |
| 03:24.34 | jpinx-eeepc | d1b: there are records validators on their website - there is little risk of you getting it wrong |
| 03:24.45 | simonrvn | meant for stevenbinion |
| 03:25.12 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: sure. i just have seen people get it wrong and then have no idea what the problem is :) |
| 03:25.38 | jpinx-eeepc | d1b: as with any bad admin ;) |
| 03:25.47 | nsadmin | badmin |
| 03:25.52 | nsadmin | BADmin! |
| 03:27.13 | simonrvn | ton |
| 03:27.56 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: sure. but there not every admin knows everything they should ;) |
| 03:29.35 | jpinx-eeepc | whacks simonrvn s shuttlecock |
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| 03:30.17 | MAd_haTTer | there is a chan for spf ? |
| 03:30.23 | MAd_haTTer | that is soo cool |
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| 03:31.02 | MAd_haTTer | no there is not.. wtf.. |
| 03:32.49 | abrotman | not on freenode |
| 03:33.23 | MAd_haTTer | yeah i just caught that,.. |
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| 03:41.27 | ningu | hey, I've noticed that on a vanilla lenny install (no X) there are some font issues in man pages -- specifically, curly quotes and some other non-lower-ascii things don't show up right. any idea how to fix that? |
| 03:41.34 | ningu | locales are all US and UTF-8 |
| 03:42.09 | ningu | curly quotes appear ok in aptitude, so I think it's a man/roff issue |
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| 03:42.59 | ranix | ningu: what's your $TERM |
| 03:43.59 | ningu | linux |
| 03:44.10 | ningu | just found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446277 |
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| 03:45.40 | ningu | I don't have console-setup or kbd-compat installed |
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| 03:46.17 | abrotman | ningu: i'ts a UTF8 issue IIRC |
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| 03:49.19 | ningu | abrotman: how so? |
| 03:49.50 | abrotman | ningu: i know it's fixed now .. |
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| 03:50.15 | ningu | hmm. well, the suggestion was to install those packages from unstable. so I could do that. |
| 03:50.23 | abrotman | !man aptitude fix |
| 03:50.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, man aptitude fix is cd /usr/share/man/man8 && cp aptitude.8.gz aptitude-old.8.gz && zcat aptitude-old.8.gz | perl -pe 's#\ef([BR])#\\f$1#g'|gzip >aptitude.8.gz See also http://bugs.debian.org/438725; this bug is resolved in lenny. |
| 03:50.33 | NekawA | I just installed debian and made sure dhcp was turned on and that I could remote SSH into the machine. then i moved the machine, now I can ping the machine, but when I ssh I get 'connection refused' I have no monitor here unfortunately is there anything I can do? |
| 03:50.41 | abrotman | oh .. maybe it's different .. says it's fixed in lenny |
| 03:50.55 | NekawA | i get the feeling i'm going to have to go get a monitor something must be stuck before runlevel 2 is my best guess if anyone has any idea let me know |
| 03:51.07 | abrotman | NekawA: how do you know the IP if it's DHCP ? |
| 03:51.15 | ningu | abrotman: no problem in aptitude. only in man pages. |
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| 03:51.27 | abrotman | ningu: and tha'ts what the above refers to |
| 03:51.35 | NekawA | because i make the pool |
| 03:51.41 | abrotman | the pool? |
| 03:51.52 | NekawA | and I setup samba / so 'ping hostname' resolves the IP |
| 03:51.56 | abrotman | anyways .. make sure you have the right IP .. make sure there isn't a firewall on the box |
| 03:52.01 | ningu | ah, yeah sorry :) |
| 03:52.02 | NekawA | yes the pool if IP address that my router uses i set it up |
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| 03:52.33 | NekawA | first IP in the pool is 192.168.1.232 and that's the IP that 'ping debwork' resolved too |
| 03:53.10 | ningu | abrotman: no, this isn't just for the aptitude man pages... it's for a lot of them. it's a general issue. |
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| 03:53.21 | NekawA | it's pretty much a basic debian install - it worked at home, now that i brought the machine to work where i have no monitor i can't ssh into it kinda stuk ssh shows no errors, telnet can't connect to any ports really wierd |
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| 03:53.29 | abrotman | ningu: what is in /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 03:53.56 | ningu | en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 03:54.07 | abrotman | NekawA: kind of sounds like the wrong machine .. |
| 03:55.07 | ningu | for example if I go to "man ls", under --color: WHEN may be *never*, *always*, or *auto* -- where asterisks represent squares |
| 03:55.09 | miju | hi, i have some problems with apt-get. i don't understand why apt-get source is fetching the wrong versions. i just tried to download apache2. stable is lenny6 and apt source gets lenny4. does anybody know why? |
| 03:55.31 | jpinx-eeepc | miju: check your sources.list |
| 03:55.39 | NekawA | well one machine is 'debwork' and one maching is 'lappy' i'm definitely pinging / ssh'ing to 'debwork' |
| 03:55.44 | miju | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:55.48 | miju | is this not correct? |
| 03:55.48 | abrotman | ningu: is this in X ? |
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| 03:56.04 | abrotman | miju: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 03:56.07 | ningu | abrotman: no. X isn't installed at all. |
| 03:56.08 | jpinx-eeepc | miju: that's only security |
| 03:56.22 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: no, it's only deb-src |
| 03:56.34 | ningu | abrotman: if relevant, this is in virtualbox -- however I haven't had this issue with other linux installs (e.g. ubuntu) |
| 03:57.00 | ningu | or any other charset-related things that are caused by virtualbox |
| 03:57.02 | abrotman | ningu: it sounds like an encoding problem with your locales or your terminal |
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| 03:57.25 | miju | http://nopaste.info/65ba1b5399.html |
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| 03:58.02 | abrotman | miju: aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade .. it doesn't install a new apache ? |
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| 03:58.26 | displaced | is anyone here using squeeze |
| 03:58.35 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 03:58.35 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:58.38 | abrotman | lots of people .. ask your real question |
| 03:59.20 | NekawA | oh well tx for the suggestions abrotman i'm gonna have to bring a monitor over it looks like |
| 03:59.40 | abrotman | NekawA: it can't be that far away |
| 03:59.41 | miju | abrotman: the binary package, yes... but i need the source package because i applied patches and it's still fetching lenny4 |
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| 04:00.00 | abrotman | miju: ah .. it's possible the sources haven't gotten into place yet |
| 04:00.02 | NekawA | distance - no i'm at work home is like 15 miles, but time, it'll be 24 hrs before i can get it back over here |
| 04:00.09 | abrotman | oh, sorry |
| 04:00.15 | displaced | thanks, upgraded to squeeze from lenny in my lab, now i can' configure ldap, pam-auth-update has altered the files to do this and it doesn't authenticate against the server |
| 04:00.21 | abrotman | NekawA: can't you use the monitor you're using now ? |
| 04:00.23 | miju | hm... but it should at least be lenny5 in this case, or not? |
| 04:00.27 | NekawA | it's a laptop |
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| 04:00.44 | displaced | did a reload not an upgrade |
| 04:00.45 | abrotman | NekawA: you had to do it the hard way ... |
| 04:00.51 | NekawA | lol |
| 04:00.58 | jpinx-eeepc | miju: is this an upgraded system? |
| 04:01.21 | miju | jpinx-eeepc: yes, it was an etch system before, why? |
| 04:01.28 | jpinx-eeepc | miju: you might have to do aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 04:01.34 | NekawA | well it'll work out good when i finally get it working 'cuz the machine w/ no monitor can sit in the corner in the basement and the laptop is portable for me to take with me as i come/go I can't really leave a giant desktop in these peoples living room |
| 04:01.38 | abrotman | full-upgrade |
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| 04:01.49 | jpinx-eeepc | miju: did you follow ethc->lenn y instructions? |
| 04:01.56 | nsadmin | miju: you should read the release notes too, they have the steps |
| 04:01.58 | displaced | is there a how-to or a better explaination of how pam-auth-update is configured so i can use it properly |
| 04:02.10 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell miju about etch->lenny |
| 04:02.21 | ningu | abrotman: this wouldn't be in lenny backports, right? since it's the same packages in unstable, just newer versions? |
| 04:02.22 | miju | jpinx-eeepc: yes i followed this instructions |
| 04:02.32 | miju | aptitude dist-upgrade tells nothing to do |
| 04:02.32 | ningu | abrotman: console-common etc. that is |
| 04:02.34 | displaced | the how-tos i've been finding are a faily simple explaination with no examples |
| 04:03.04 | jpinx-eeepc | miju: update and full-upgrade |
| 04:03.14 | abrotman | miju: packages.debian.org 'has it' |
| 04:03.29 | abrotman | miju: sounds like maybe your mirror isn't synced yet |
| 04:03.37 | miju | jpinx-eeepc: the same for both commands |
| 04:03.55 | jpinx-eeepc | miju: wot abrotman says ;) |
| 04:04.41 | miju | hm... okay, so i'm going to wait one day or two and try again ;) |
| 04:04.41 | abrotman | http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/a/apache2/ .. or from there |
| 04:05.55 | miju | i already tried to fetch and patch the source but dpkg-buildpackage failed with some strange error... i don't like to spend time to figure out why... |
| 04:06.22 | miju | i rather wait for the sync... |
| 04:06.44 | abrotman | you could try 'deb http://ftp.ch.debian.org/debian-security/ lenny/updates main' ? |
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| 04:06.50 | abrotman | erm .. deb-src |
| 04:07.00 | miju | just a second... |
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| 04:08.07 | miju | also lenny4 |
| 04:08.35 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf is lenny4 ? |
| 04:08.50 | abrotman | an old security fix package |
| 04:08.51 | miju | apache2_2.2.9-10+lenny4 |
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| 04:08.56 | _Trinity_ | hi averyone |
| 04:09.05 | abrotman | waves |
| 04:09.25 | jpinx-eeepc | o/ |
| 04:10.42 | _Trinity_ | has anyone running unstable browsers noticed an odd freeze as if the mouse pointer get stuck in drag mode? |
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| 04:11.11 | miju | well i have to go to work now, thank you so far guys. cheers |
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| 04:12.05 | jpinx-eeepc | miju: good luck;) |
| 04:12.09 | itsosimpo | hello friends. i hope you are having a nice night. I have a question here about dual booting Windows7 and Deb |
| 04:12.34 | _Trinity_ | the work around is to F10, which evokes sub-contextuals |
| 04:13.51 | itsosimpo | I loaded the Debian boot CD and I'm working on partitioning my drives. By default windows 7 partitions my drive as follows: #1 primary 1.6GB B NTFS; #2 primary 487.1GB NTFS; #3 primary 11.5GB NTFS; |
| 04:14.35 | itsosimpo | I want to use the end of the 487GB reserved for windows (i'm assuming it's for data files). |
| 04:14.55 | itsosimpo | err i want to use it for linux partitions |
| 04:15.24 | _AnywhereIs_ | isn't it same NT? |
| 04:15.29 | jpinx-eeepc | itsosimpo: that's a better-construced question ;) |
| 04:15.37 | _AnywhereIs_ | i thought dual-boot is well-described on google |
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| 04:16.10 | itsosimpo | the way I have my PC set up is that I have two primary partitions (one for debian /root and the other for my windows NTFS) and several logical partitions (i have several partitions for things like /boot,/home,data files, FAT32, swap) |
| 04:16.28 | itsosimpo | jpinx-eeepc: hi! |
| 04:16.30 | jpinx-eeepc | itsosimpo: don't touch #1, do what you like with the rest, but be aware that you will lose any data there |
| 04:16.53 | ranix | what |
| 04:17.01 | ranix | why is windows automatically making 3 partitions |
| 04:17.11 | ningu | what package is killall in? |
| 04:17.14 | ranix | is it finally using swap space intelligently |
| 04:17.20 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: not necessarily automatic |
| 04:17.34 | itsosimpo | ranix: that's default. brand new laptop |
| 04:17.35 | ningu | ah, psmisc |
| 04:17.45 | ranix | weird |
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| 04:17.52 | ranix | what's that 11.5g partition for |
| 04:18.06 | itsosimpo | jpinx-eeepc: so you're saying i can delete the other two non-bootable partitions? |
| 04:18.13 | jpinx-eeepc | itsosimpo: use the installer to use the partitions apart from #1 |
| 04:18.49 | itsosimpo | jpinx-eeepc: can you rephrase that i'm not sure i'm clear |
| 04:19.11 | jpinx-eeepc | itsosimpo: you should check to see what is actuall on those partitions, in case windows has plonked some applications there |
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| 04:19.52 | itsosimpo | *sigh* that's probably the case |
| 04:20.24 | jpinx-eeepc | itsosimpo: if there is data/applications o n them - defrag thema nd resize them by cutting the end, not the beginning |
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| 04:20.57 | jpinx-eeepc | itsosimpo: then you will see what free space you really have and use that for your linux install |
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| 04:21.14 | itsosimpo | ok, how am i sure i cut at the end? |
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| 04:21.30 | ranix | !end |
| 04:21.30 | jpinx-eeepc | itsosimpo: depends what tool you use |
| 04:22.04 | ranix | you can tell it is the end |
| 04:22.06 | itsosimpo | okay but i also want to move the windows bootable partition and the 11GB partition to logical partitions |
| 04:22.07 | ranix | because it is after the rest |
| 04:22.17 | ranix | it's not indistinct from the beginning |
| 04:22.21 | ranix | which is before the rest |
| 04:22.38 | itsosimpo | would it be better if i delete everything, create the partitions and then reinstall windows 7? |
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| 04:22.50 | itsosimpo | i made a restore cd. i'm not sure how to load it though |
| 04:23.24 | displaced | that would be your best bet. windows does not create these partitions, i would have to say you are probably using a dell ranix |
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| 04:23.41 | displaced | if this is the install from the manufacturer |
| 04:23.59 | ranix | ah thanks |
| 04:24.04 | ranix | I wouldn't have noticed |
| 04:24.14 | itsosimpo | displaced: this is the install from the manufacturer |
| 04:24.35 | itsosimpo | and it's not a dell |
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| 04:25.09 | displaced | dell hides two partitions on the drive that are non bootable, one is a restore and the other is a "tools" |
| 04:25.15 | itsosimpo | yeah i noticed that too in dealing with a coworker's pc |
| 04:25.21 | itsosimpo | but i'm pretty sure these are different |
| 04:25.44 | itsosimpo | it seems like they have data files in the 487.1GB part and the operating system occupying 11.5GB |
| 04:26.03 | displaced | i just installed windows vista fresh, it did not create extra partitions |
| 04:26.13 | jpinx-eeepc | itsosimpo: I have heard some bad stories about duak booting W7 |
| 04:26.26 | itsosimpo | then there's the bootloader, 1.6GB |
| 04:26.46 | itsosimpo | i don't care for it much, but i want to have it in case i need it for school |
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| 04:27.03 | itsosimpo | like viewing websites and blackboard |
| 04:27.23 | itsosimpo | well i'm going to defrag like you suggested |
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| 04:28.14 | displaced | so has anyone configured ldap to work with pam-auth-update? and could they show me how it was done? |
| 04:29.21 | itsosimpo | if i could downgrade to xp i would be ecstatic |
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| 04:29.38 | itsosimpo | windows7 is a disaster imo |
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| 04:30.28 | d1b | itsosimpo: windows 7 should like vista, defrag in the background. |
| 04:30.31 | displaced | windows 7 is internally win6.1 vista is win6 windows 7 is vista with all the patches applied, trying to hide the fact that it's still vista |
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| 04:30.58 | f0g | are there debug symbols available for libgd? |
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| 04:31.44 | markybob | who cares. windows 7 is offtopic |
| 04:31.45 | itsosimpo | they're not trying to hide that it's like vista |
| 04:31.54 | itsosimpo | anyway |
| 04:31.55 | displaced | remember, you can buy a windows vista machine with free upgrade to win7. does that really sound like microsoft to you? |
| 04:32.11 | itsosimpo | actually yes |
| 04:32.19 | markybob | displaced, do not give a fuck. offtopic, please move on |
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| 04:33.19 | displaced | i came herre for an answer on ldap and pam-auth-update as used in squeeze. has anyone got a configuration that works? |
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| 04:33.36 | itsosimpo | anyway trying the recovery cd soon |
| 04:33.47 | f0g | or... how are we supposed to do this if there's no -dbg package? |
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| 04:39.30 | junmin | hello, which tool can i use to list all the bootup services? thanks |
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| 04:40.14 | markybob | junmin, do you use gnome? |
| 04:41.15 | ningu | hey, could someone with a numeric keypad tell me the key code(s) for the number 6, using showkey? |
| 04:42.15 | junmin | markybob: no... ssh-ing now |
| 04:43.11 | markybob | junmin, then ls /etc/rc2.d/ will give you a good idea of what's run by default on boot |
| 04:43.22 | markybob | junmin, and man update-rc.d |
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| 04:46.21 | junmin | markybob: yeah... thanks update-rc.d cannot list services |
| 04:47.10 | markybob | junmin, i know. i just thought it would be useful since you seem to care about what runs and doesnt. the first ls command is where you should start |
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| 04:49.56 | junmin | markybob: thanks. hehe |
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| 05:03.44 | itsosimpo | hm so i made that 487.1GB partition smaller and windows 7 still works |
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| 05:07.13 | _Trinity_ | night everyone |
| 05:07.14 | docgnome | is there a good way to select the fastest apt mirror for where i am? |
| 05:07.31 | jpinx-eeepc | docgnome: apt-spy |
| 05:07.45 | nsadmin | docgnome: first find it, then put its spec in your sources.list |
| 05:08.00 | docgnome | also, how do i upgrade to testing from stable? |
| 05:08.16 | nsadmin | read the testing release notes |
| 05:08.24 | jpinx-eeepc | docgnome: why? |
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| 05:09.11 | jpinx-eeepc | docgnome: unless you have some special reason you will find what you need in backports |
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| 05:10.02 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: we do not usually supply advice for going to testing unless it is essential- |
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| 05:11.32 | docgnome | jpinx-eeepc: thanks for the apt-spy |
| 05:11.56 | redDEADresolve | if i install unstable, i dont have a security update repository? |
| 05:12.08 | jpinx-eeepc | docgnome: why do you think you need to go to testing? |
| 05:12.16 | docgnome | newer packages |
| 05:12.30 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc his machine, his choice. the only caveat I can see is "back up all storage connected to the box you're upgrading" |
| 05:12.44 | d1b | redDEADresolve: nope. |
| 05:12.47 | jpinx-eeepc | docgnome: use backports |
| 05:12.48 | docgnome | it's been years since i've run deb i've just forgoten how to upgrade |
| 05:13.04 | d1b | docgnome: why do you *need* to upgrade ? |
| 05:13.10 | jpinx-eeepc | redDEADresolve: if you have to ask that - don't run sid |
| 05:13.33 | jpinx-eeepc | d1b: he doesn;t need to - he just needs a few backports |
| 05:13.47 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: yes he hasn't said which packages has he ? |
| 05:13.50 | redDEADresolve | jpinx-eeepc, you only learn by asking. I wanted to triple check. |
| 05:13.54 | nsadmin | oh, obvious additional caveat... people will refuse to answer questions about it... |
| 05:13.57 | jpinx-eeepc | !sid |
| 05:13.57 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 05:13.57 | docgnome | I can see why people don't like coming in here -_- |
| 05:14.47 | redDEADresolve | dpkg, thank you for the heads up. i was makign sure i read the documentation correctly. |
| 05:14.47 | dpkg | gern geschehen, redDEADresolve |
| 05:15.00 | jpinx-eeepc | docgnome: the truth is that you will get endless support for stable with backports, but no-one wants to touch squeeze or sid support |
| 05:15.40 | docgnome | jpinx-eeepc: hrumph. backports just sounds like a pain in the butt |
| 05:15.51 | jpinx-eeepc | why? |
| 05:15.51 | d1b | docgnome: not really. |
| 05:16.03 | d1b | you have "stable" + what you need. |
| 05:16.05 | jpinx-eeepc | it's so easy it is ridiuclous |
| 05:16.07 | nsadmin | docgnome: seems like package management doesn't fit your style |
| 05:16.11 | docgnome | how often are they updated? some packages i'm very picky about having bleeding edge |
| 05:16.28 | jpinx-eeepc | docgnome: install gentoo :) |
| 05:16.31 | d1b | docgnome: why do you want bleedge edge ? (for this packages) |
| 05:16.34 | d1b | these* |
| 05:16.46 | docgnome | jpinx-eeepc: hahahaha that's what i'm coming from :-P |
| 05:16.59 | jpinx-eeepc | docgnome: what packages are you worried about? |
| 05:17.01 | docgnome | d1b: cause i need them for work. |
| 05:17.05 | docgnome | git, emacs, and firefox |
| 05:17.07 | docgnome | and kde |
| 05:17.16 | docgnome | just want kde 4.3.something |
| 05:17.25 | jpinx-eeepc | judd versions git |
| 05:17.26 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: git -- etch: 4.3.20-10 lenny: 4.9.4-1 sid: 4.9.4-1 |
| 05:17.36 | docgnome | wrong git heh |
| 05:17.39 | jpinx-eeepc | so git is in stable |
| 05:17.40 | docgnome | judd versions git-core |
| 05:17.41 | judd | docgnome: git-core -- etch: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch1 etch-security: 1:1.4.4.4-4+etch3 lenny: 1:1.5.6.5-3 etch-backports: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny2~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 1:1.5.6.5-3+lenny2 lenny-backports: 1:1.6.3.3-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1:1.6.5-1 sid: 1:1.6.5.2-1 |
| 05:17.53 | d1b | docgnome: other than kde and firefox, lenny should be ok. |
| 05:18.12 | d1b | there was a backport of kde4 but that isn't supported anymore if i remember correctly. |
| 05:18.24 | docgnome | so... sounds like i need squeeze :-) |
| 05:18.26 | jpinx-eeepc | kde is a pita ;) |
| 05:18.30 | docgnome | ha |
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| 05:18.49 | jpinx-eeepc | docgnome: not unless you know how to fix squeeze when it breaks |
| 05:19.19 | d1b | docgnome: if you have used gentoo, you should be fine on squeeze (as others have said, fixing it when it breaks). |
| 05:19.47 | docgnome | i've heard deb testing is pretty stable |
| 05:20.07 | docgnome | i'm just tired of my system being broken every time i turn around in gentoo |
| 05:20.08 | docgnome | heh |
| 05:20.21 | jpinx-eeepc | that's why we all use stable ;) |
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| 05:20.40 | docgnome | yeah but if there is no way to get kde4 in stable... doesn't work for me :-) |
| 05:20.47 | darkblue_B | hi all- how do you switch between KDE 3.5 and 4x, if they are both installed? I guess KDM underneath.. I dont know |
| 05:20.51 | jpinx-eeepc | backports does later versions and you can do your wn backports for special stuff |
| 05:20.56 | d1b | docgnome: i thin kthere are some unofficial package ports on the internet... |
| 05:21.32 | jpinx-eeepc | darkblue_B: are you on lenny? |
| 05:21.36 | d1b | darkblue_B: i didn't think you could have both installed in debian.. |
| 05:21.39 | darkblue_B | yes |
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| 05:21.59 | jpinx-eeepc | sounds like you have managed to mix versions of KDE :/ |
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| 05:22.07 | darkblue_B | ok - maybe not.. I used KPackage to install KDE4 today |
| 05:22.41 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc: I'd be in favor of relaxing that requirement to something that considers the purpose of the machine to be upgraded. if he's doing it for learning experience and the machine isn't some production mission critical 987234897234978234 users supported behemoth, there shouldn't be a problem... the caveats are: (1) things will change, get used to that... and (2) you're going to be learning to take care of it, and you may or may not be lucky enough t |
| 05:22.42 | darkblue_B | pekwm and KDE are the two options at login |
| 05:23.35 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: agreed - but identifying those people before giving advice is my chosen route |
| 05:23.42 | nsadmin | hey!! who pushed anykey?! |
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| 05:29.12 | nsadmin | jpinx-eeepc: that's certainly reasonable. |
| 05:29.55 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: the trouble is that people arrive here and think they "know" what they want |
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| 05:30.17 | jpinx-eeepc | when in fact they need to learn a bit about debian |
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| 05:34.23 | amitz | I want world happiness ;-) |
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| 05:34.37 | Brack10 | Hi |
| 05:34.41 | markybob | sets amitz aflame |
| 05:35.04 | Brack10 | #ubuntu doesn't know the answer - what do I use to configure wpa settings in Ubuntu 9.04 if not using network-manager? |
| 05:35.14 | d1b | !ubuntu |
| 05:35.14 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 05:35.17 | markybob | Brack10, we dont give a fuck |
| 05:35.23 | d1b | Brack10: however, there is an answer --> one sec |
| 05:35.58 | Brack10 | :( |
| 05:36.03 | Brack10 | shoulda installed debian |
| 05:36.03 | markybob | Brack10, what about #debian makes you think we have #ubuntu answers? wait, dont answer me. i dont care |
| 05:37.48 | NekawA | brack10 use wpasupplicant |
| 05:38.48 | Brack10 | NekawA: Thx |
| 05:40.21 | MorkBork | Brack10, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:42.09 | Shtl | icewesel is stupid |
| 05:42.11 | Shtl | [11:11:24] <Shtl> it simply donno what to use to open files, and dont lists also..... |
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| 05:46.44 | macius | hey im just wondering im wanting to replace osx on my laptop , and narrowed what os i want on it down to debian or freebsd, im planning to use this as my primary os including me completeling wiping osx and just using the darwin kernal to boot the os, just wondering if debian will still run with stability on a macbook |
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| 05:47.58 | macius | i have reasons for wanting to do this, basically resulting form osx dieing on me twice in the past month due the the lauchd system i beleive, so realy wanna move away from it if thats possible and not just stupid lol |
| 05:48.21 | dkr | !tell macius about why debian |
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| 05:49.04 | dkr | or wait a little bit and use debian with a freebsd kernel, hah |
| 05:49.41 | macius | dkr: use debian with a freebsd kernal? sorry lol |
| 05:49.58 | dkr | !tell macius about kfreebsd |
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| 05:51.08 | dkr | macius: http://wiki.debian.org/MacBook |
| 05:52.34 | macius | dkr: alright ill look into all that ty |
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| 06:10.08 | docgnome | what's the difference between xorg and xserver-xorg |
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| 06:12.29 | dkr | xorg is a metapackage that includes xserver-xorg and some others |
| 06:12.41 | dkr | aptitude show xorg |
| 06:13.10 | docgnome | ah thanks |
| 06:17.35 | darkblue_B | ugh - tearing out KDM also took out ssh |
| 06:17.48 | darkblue_B | and the login maze has no terminal that is working, it seems |
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| 06:20.17 | darkblue_B | well GDM configure came up |
| 06:22.04 | darkblue_B | but gdm wont run an xsession |
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| 06:26.16 | rgr | woohoo. My server recovered after the reboot. ip filters all restored the works. my faith is restored. |
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| 06:28.42 | cheako | rgr: Welcome to the light. |
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| 06:30.02 | darkblue_B | I just want a terminal now |
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| 06:30.18 | darkblue_B | the GDM login wont get me to one |
| 06:30.21 | darkblue_B | :-( |
| 06:30.34 | rgr | Well you see the last time I rebooted this server (half a year ago!) the firestarter scripts were not reinstalled at reboot meaning it was cut off from the world and I could not ssh in. A real pain in the arse. But I checked the firestarter init script and its moved to "later" now so does not abort if the net is not yet ready. Anyway. running clean as a whistle with new kernel and all security updates. |
| 06:30.39 | cheako | darkblue_B: you can switch virtual terminals any time with alt-ctrl-fX |
| 06:30.56 | darkblue_B | fX ? |
| 06:31.02 | cheako | F1 and F2 are good places to start, X is usual on something like F5. |
| 06:31.36 | cheako | ..wow, X is defiantly a variable today. |
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| 06:31.42 | rgr | If only someone would throw away all the sound solutions and wrote ONE that actually works and Linux might catch on a bit more :-; |
| 06:31.47 | darkblue_B | F5 - ok |
| 06:32.40 | rgr | Actually doesnt gdm offer a failsafe terminal option to log into? |
| 06:32.57 | darkblue_B | yeah - it failed :-( |
| 06:33.00 | rgr | lol! |
| 06:33.18 | darkblue_B | I was in a looping maze |
| 06:33.32 | darkblue_B | I really dont know much about this.. though I am a coder |
| 06:33.42 | cheako | lol, use a tried and true Law vs the new Hypothesis. |
| 06:33.46 | rgr | screen by any chance you have you got .bashrc sourcing .bash_env which includes ... etc etc. What a mess that can be. |
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| 06:34.50 | darkblue_B | I see libkdecore.* right here |
| 06:34.57 | darkblue_B | I want to completely remove kde |
| 06:35.08 | cheako | darkblue_B: I first stated back in 1993 and I had a book called the Linux Bible(the GNU testament). By the 3rd chapter I read about what windows calls the switch user feature and I put the book down right then and installed linux. |
| 06:35.53 | darkblue_B | I built GUIs for desktop sfwr for more than 10 years |
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| 06:36.12 | darkblue_B | X wasnt a strong contender |
| 06:36.29 | darkblue_B | I hate m$ft |
| 06:36.37 | cheako | Needles to say it was a long time B4 Microsoft caught up with the idea, but I think there implementation leaves something top be desired. It's slow and I believe all the apps stop when you leave a session. |
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| 06:37.54 | cheako | darkblue_B: X had the total advantage of being network transparent, it was only recently(last 7 years or so) that the other GUIs had any form of remote access. |
| 06:38.19 | docgnome_ | anyone give me a hand configuring xorg? trying to get it to use the intel driver but not having much luck... |
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| 06:39.31 | cheako | They still don't treat the display like a printer and have the application connect and use the terminal as a server, they use a client approach and it's *usually* missing the seamless integration component. |
| 06:39.50 | cheako | docgnome_: Try deleting your xorg config and running with out one. |
| 06:39.51 | docgnome_ | http://pastie.org/702218 is what i have for xorg.conf it's part of a conf that workd on this machine before |
| 06:39.57 | docgnome_ | cheako: yeah i ahve |
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| 06:40.02 | cheako | docgnome_: Rather move it out of the way. |
| 06:40.03 | docgnome_ | it tries to use i810 |
| 06:40.09 | docgnome_ | which is wrong |
| 06:40.10 | docgnome_ | heh |
| 06:40.27 | cheako | I'll take a look. |
| 06:41.14 | docgnome_ | thanks. here's my Xorg.0.log http://pastie.org/702220 |
| 06:42.04 | cheako | I think you NEED a ServerLayout section to force using that Device. |
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| 06:43.01 | docgnome_ | cheako: no change |
| 06:43.09 | docgnome_ | oh wait |
| 06:43.21 | cheako | hmm, I'd try altering he identifiers to see if what's reported is truly your configs and not something built in. |
| 06:43.22 | docgnome_ | yeah no change |
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| 06:43.46 | docgnome_ | how do i get x to generate an xorg.conf? |
| 06:44.07 | cheako | Xorg -configure |
| 06:44.20 | dkr | Xorg -co, ah yeah, that. ) |
| 06:45.25 | docgnome_ | hrm... |
| 06:45.49 | docgnome_ | pastie.org/702222 is my new xorg.conf heh |
| 06:46.19 | docgnome_ | http://pastie.org/702224 is the log :-\ |
| 06:47.16 | cheako | line 289 of the log is disturbing: (WW) intel(0): Register 0x61200 (PP_STATUS) changed from 0xc0000008 to 0xd0000009 |
| 06:47.34 | cheako | There are other warnings just following that. |
| 06:47.53 | docgnome_ | strange |
| 06:48.23 | cheako | I can't find where it says what mode it choose, is this DVI or VGA? |
| 06:48.32 | docgnome_ | uh built in vga |
| 06:48.36 | docgnome_ | it's a laptop |
| 06:48.48 | docgnome_ | it's default res is 1200x800 |
| 06:49.00 | cheako | So if you get the incorrect video mode you just get a black screen. |
| 06:49.35 | cheako | You are talking about the screen on the laptop, not something hooked up to the external VGA connector? |
| 06:50.18 | docgnome_ | the main error i see is "error setting MTRR (base = 0xd0000000, size = 0x10000000, type = 1) Invalid arguement (22)" |
| 06:50.29 | docgnome_ | and yes, not something hooked up to it. |
| 06:50.34 | docgnome_ | just the laptop screen atm |
| 06:50.45 | cheako | docgnome_: Thats a performance enhancement, not a big deal if it fails. |
| 06:51.02 | docgnome_ | ah |
| 06:51.24 | docgnome_ | i do wanna use compositing but not my current problem heh |
| 06:51.54 | cheako | Id say try forcing video mode 1024x768@75. |
| 06:53.43 | docgnome_ | setting the mode doesn't change anything |
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| 06:54.09 | cheako | I'm running an older X: X.Org X Server 1.4.2 |
| 06:54.10 | cheako | Release Date: 11 June 2008 |
| 06:54.27 | cheako | with 915GM. |
| 06:55.34 | docgnome_ | hrm |
| 06:55.56 | cheako | Id report it as a bug and get an older X, it would be nice if you could isolate the commit that causes this problem. |
| 06:56.14 | docgnome_ | well i'm not entirely convinced it's not the driver |
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| 06:56.47 | docgnome_ | though the vesa driver doesn't work either heh |
| 06:56.53 | cheako | Am I wrong or did you just recently pull this from SVN and build it? |
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| 06:56.59 | docgnome_ | you're wrong |
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| 06:57.09 | docgnome_ | i'm running testing |
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| 06:57.27 | cheako | This is the pkgs from Debian testing? |
| 06:57.31 | docgnome_ | yeah |
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| 06:58.08 | cheako | It's vary new ;) |
| 06:58.16 | docgnome_ | eh |
| 06:58.19 | docgnome_ | not really |
| 06:58.24 | docgnome_ | 1.7 is really now |
| 06:58.32 | docgnome_ | 1.6 has been out for quite a while |
| 06:58.38 | docgnome_ | well, relativly speaking |
| 06:58.47 | cheako | Release Date: 2009-10-11 (is this a month old or is it just a few days old?) |
| 06:59.07 | docgnome_ | has to be a month |
| 06:59.16 | docgnome_ | though it was older though |
| 06:59.56 | cheako | That's what lead me to simply suspect that the code was broken, this could still be the case. |
| 06:59.58 | docgnome_ | yeah build date 13th of october |
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| 07:00.24 | cheako | ohh, yes that confirms it being months old. |
| 07:00.56 | docgnome_ | well. a month heh |
| 07:01.01 | cheako | I would not take that to mean it's stable or usable. |
| 07:01.15 | docgnome_ | well i've used 1.6.5 before on this box |
| 07:01.18 | docgnome_ | not under debian though |
| 07:01.46 | cheako | Could be a compiler optimization problem or bug. |
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| 07:01.54 | docgnome_ | bluch |
| 07:02.10 | docgnome_ | or maybe i just have it configured wrong? :-\ |
| 07:02.19 | docgnome_ | pokes xorg |
| 07:02.28 | docgnome_ | work, please? |
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| 07:03.15 | cheako | docgnome_: Try getting the xorg pkg from stable. |
| 07:03.17 | docgnome_ | asking nicely didn't help :-p |
| 07:03.24 | docgnome_ | cheako: not sure how to do that |
| 07:03.39 | cheako | packages.debian.org |
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| 07:03.59 | cheako | wget a lot of things, dependencys. |
| 07:04.07 | docgnome_ | merph. won't that potentially bork my system |
| 07:04.14 | docgnome_ | even more i mean |
| 07:04.14 | docgnome_ | heh |
| 07:04.28 | cheako | docgnome_: AFAICT system == borked. |
| 07:04.31 | cheako | lol. |
| 07:04.56 | docgnome_ | ugh |
| 07:05.03 | docgnome_ | i need this box to work tommorrow |
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| 07:05.18 | cheako | I my experience debian pkgs are vary friendly, if not vary stubborn and difficult at times. |
| 07:05.49 | cheako | The are usually good at being gone after a dpkg --purge. |
| 07:06.06 | docgnome_ | that;s like 70+ packages to wget though |
| 07:06.09 | docgnome_ | :-( |
| 07:06.19 | cheako | So you should have good luck going back an fourth on this. |
| 07:06.42 | cheako | Ahh, you can use schroot. |
| 07:07.02 | docgnome_ | schroot? i'm familiar with chroot but... |
| 07:07.17 | cheako | Using debootstrap and schroot you can almost seamlessly run X in a chroot. |
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| 07:07.27 | cheako | schroot is like chroot + sudo. |
| 07:07.39 | docgnome_ | ah |
| 07:08.05 | cheako | You use mount --bind on folders like /tmp and /dev as well as /var/run/X. |
| 07:08.30 | docgnome_ | ugh. i should not have started this tonight |
| 07:08.41 | docgnome_ | should have left it till i had more time to get a working system |
| 07:09.05 | dondelelcaro | docgnome_: so install the version that you had previously using aptitude to resolve the dependencies. |
| 07:09.09 | dondelelcaro | it's not terribly difficult. |
| 07:09.33 | docgnome_ | dondelelcaro: kay... how? |
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| 07:16.12 | docgnome_ | with no xorg.conf i can startx as root |
| 07:16.19 | docgnome_ | i get a big terminal window |
| 07:16.51 | hoo-hah | is there a dpkg log, and is does it include timestamps? I'm tryig to figure out which update (if any) done recently was responsible for firefox's rendering of arrow as a cedilla |
| 07:16.58 | hoo-hah | *a 'C' with a cedilla |
| 07:17.29 | hoo-hah | oh there is: /var/log/ |
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| 07:18.21 | hoo-hah | ah, looks like libc6 and locales was updated on my system (squeeze) last night |
| 07:18.36 | docgnome_ | dondelelcaro: i didn't have a version before this one anyway |
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| 07:20.36 | hoo-hah | I'm trying to figure out a boot-time message that appeared just now regarding console-? and a readonly filesystem. I can't seem to find it in any of the logs in /var/log |
| 07:20.48 | hoo-hah | where else would boot messages go? |
| 07:22.03 | hoo-hah | ah, I was wrong. I found the error in daemon.log Couldn't read /proc/2281/environ: Failed to open file '/proc/2281/environ': No such file or directory . Any ideas how this came about? |
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| 07:24.02 | Infin1ty | i've ran debuild on some package, it took me half day to compile it, now i see i forgot to put some switch in debuild and it fails at building the .deb packages, it compiled succesfully, is there any way to dell debuild to continue right after where it finished compiling? i don't want to wait another half day |
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| 07:24.26 | docgnome_ | cheako: yeah... fairly certain it's not a code issue as i can startx as root |
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| 07:26.09 | docgnome_ | so the question becomes... why can't my user startx |
| 07:26.54 | cheako | docgnome_: That's the x wrapper thing then. |
| 07:27.01 | docgnome_ | eh? |
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| 07:27.20 | cheako | /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config |
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| 07:27.58 | cheako | Part of x11-common |
| 07:28.12 | docgnome_ | so.. the only users that can startx are in there? |
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| 07:29.05 | cheako | docgnome_: X must be run as root, so Xwrapper is a setuid binary that will only start X if some conditions are set. |
| 07:29.07 | docgnome_ | cheako: good call. not sure why it didn't let me |
| 07:29.14 | docgnome_ | it was set to console users |
| 07:29.55 | cheako | How are you running startx? |
| 07:30.00 | docgnome_ | startx |
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| 07:30.02 | docgnome_ | heh |
| 07:30.16 | cheako | Well ssh or virtual terminal? |
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| 07:30.30 | docgnome_ | virtual terminal |
| 07:30.32 | docgnome_ | tty2 |
| 07:31.15 | cheako | So you are going directly from the getty into this user, not using su or any thing? |
| 07:31.17 | docgnome_ | and... now it likes me |
| 07:31.23 | docgnome_ | strange |
| 07:31.26 | docgnome_ | yeah |
| 07:31.47 | docgnome_ | well... problem solved heh |
| 07:31.55 | docgnome_ | now for kde4... |
| 07:32.04 | cheako | odd. |
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| 07:32.22 | docgnome_ | cheako: yeah. i must have had something misconfigured |
| 07:32.25 | docgnome_ | somewhere |
| 07:32.28 | docgnome_ | and just fixed it by fiddling |
| 07:32.29 | docgnome_ | heh |
| 07:32.32 | docgnome_ | ah well |
| 07:32.59 | docgnome_ | oh |
| 07:33.02 | docgnome_ | that was with the vesa driver |
| 07:33.16 | docgnome_ | still broken with the intel driver just in a different way heh |
| 07:33.32 | docgnome_ | ah my old friend "no screens found" :-p |
| 07:34.06 | docgnome_ | ah. typo in xorg.conf |
| 07:34.11 | docgnome_ | hurrah! |
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| 07:35.55 | d1b | docgnome_: please do not post / reply on a single line per a word... |
| 07:36.36 | docgnome_ | d1b: sorry. |
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| 07:40.24 | Hobbes` | after a dist-upgrade to lenny i'm facing an infinite redirect issue in wordpress |
| 07:40.36 | Hobbes` | happens for the admin/upgrade page |
| 07:40.46 | Hobbes` | anyone know whats the fix ? |
| 07:41.12 | nsadmin | Hobbes` if the issue is known it will be in the bts; check there first |
| 07:42.57 | Hobbes` | nsadmin been googling for an hour now with no luck |
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| 07:43.22 | Hobbes` | upgrade wordpress 2.0.10-1etch2 2.5.1-11+lenny2 <-- seems to be bigger than what most people are talking about |
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| 07:45.02 | nsadmin | Hobbes`: so if you have searched the bts and found nothing, then that gives you the answer to your original question |
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| 07:45.19 | nsadmin | "anyone know whats the fix ?" |
| 07:45.55 | endri | i have an cheap mp3 player. i want to order the mp3. i think that there is an utility to sort the files on a fat system. can sb help? |
| 07:46.12 | nsadmin | but so far you've not mentioned the bts as something you've searched |
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| 07:47.27 | nsadmin | Hobbes`, so I'll just ask: do you know what the bts is? |
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| 07:48.39 | Hobbes` | nsadmin i'm assuming the bts is indexed on google |
| 07:49.03 | bolt | is there a way to lock a console session? say I log in with SSH to forward a port or whatever, and then don't want anyone typing commands in that window when I leave it. i could probably do this with a script, but is there a program that will just lock the console until i type my password or something? |
| 07:49.04 | Hobbes` | the only result i got from it was about a newer version of wordpress |
| 07:49.40 | nsadmin | then could it be the issue is local to just your machine? |
| 07:49.58 | nsadmin | or even just your present situation |
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| 07:50.43 | Hobbes` | there doesn't seem to be any custom configuration .. other than the database creds. |
| 07:51.03 | Hobbes` | so i'm assuming anyone upgrading from etch to lenny would face it |
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| 07:51.26 | d1b | Hobbes`: export the database, then upgrade manually ? |
| 07:51.27 | nsadmin | wordpress, is what? an html editor? |
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| 07:51.48 | d1b | nsadmin: php, blogging thing, also used as a cms. |
| 07:51.49 | Hobbes` | nsadmin it's a blog |
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| 07:52.23 | nsadmin | oh, so it's a toolkit? or just a blogger? |
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| 07:52.42 | d1b | nsadmin: everything :) |
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| 07:52.53 | d1b | http://wordpress.org/ |
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| 07:53.50 | squigle | I wondered if there was any one out there running lmutil on a recent debian |
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| 07:55.00 | mee | anyone got a recommendation for software for (conveniently) ripping CDs to MP3/FLAC? |
| 07:55.12 | mee | it's been a while since I've done this, and I forget what was good |
| 07:55.53 | nsadmin | mee: I use two separate cli tools, cdparanoia and lame |
| 07:55.53 | Hobbes` | d1b what is a "manual upgrade" ? without using the browser ? |
| 07:55.57 | d1b | Hobbes`: um. |
| 07:55.59 | Hobbes` | mee i use grip |
| 07:56.02 | d1b | what version were you on? |
| 07:56.20 | Hobbes` | upgrade wordpress 2.0.10-1etch2 2.5.1-11+lenny2 |
| 07:56.36 | nsadmin | uses openacs as cms/webapp toolkit/blog/forum/etc |
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| 07:56.51 | d1b | and it fails ? |
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| 07:57.26 | Hobbes` | d1b it's gone through fine .. but the blog posts aren't showing up |
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| 07:57.33 | nsadmin | oh. you upgraded it. got it...' |
| 07:57.43 | Hobbes` | and trying to login as admin results in an infinite redirect |
| 07:57.43 | niklaswe | does someone know what more i must enable to choose SYS_HYPERVISOR in the kernel.. i can find it in the ".config" but not in the menuconfig |
| 07:58.07 | nsadmin | Hobbes` are they in the database? |
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| 07:58.26 | Hobbes` | nsadmin yes they are |
| 07:58.36 | d1b | you used debian to do the upgrade right ? |
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| 07:58.55 | nsadmin | has the data model for blog posts changed in any way? |
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| 07:59.09 | Hobbes` | d1b yes |
| 07:59.28 | d1b | Hobbes`: check the database and the actual thing, you might want to ask in #wordpress |
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| 07:59.44 | Hobbes` | nsadmin i'm not sure.. 2.0 to 2.5 is a huge jump in versions though |
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| 08:00.32 | nsadmin | yeah, I'm presently still migrating my cms to the new openacs |
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| 08:00.42 | nsadmin | it's not too easy |
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| 08:03.23 | mee | Hobbes`: ahh, grip is the tool I remember liking. Thanks |
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| 08:03.35 | mee | although I just discovered my cdrom does not work, yet. :-/ |
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| 08:03.52 | nas | guys what is the impact of changing umask from 0022 to 0002? |
| 08:04.08 | nas | is it advisable to do this? |
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| 08:04.25 | itsosimpo | wow um |
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| 08:04.43 | mee | nas: I think that means files will be created group writable |
| 08:04.48 | frostschutz | nas: the impact is groups getting more permissions than they need to have...? |
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| 08:05.41 | itsosimpo | i installed debian |
| 08:05.48 | itsosimpo | but it's just command line |
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| 08:05.55 | naquad | hi |
| 08:05.55 | itsosimpo | what happened to my gui? |
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| 08:06.17 | nas | can i set diff process to use diff umask? |
| 08:06.33 | nas | like apache use 0002 and all the rest use the default 0022? |
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| 08:07.12 | d1b | itsosimpo: what media did you use to install it ? |
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| 08:07.27 | itsosimpo | cd |
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| 08:07.42 | itsosimpo | errmmmm maybe it's a net install |
| 08:07.43 | nsadmin | what's all the noise about? |
| 08:07.44 | itsosimpo | der |
| 08:07.54 | itsosimpo | in that case i'll need to connect it to ethernet |
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| 08:08.09 | d1b | itsosimpo: taskinstall --> pick desktop. |
| 08:08.16 | d1b | erh taskselect* |
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| 08:08.29 | itsosimpo | is that a command? |
| 08:08.32 | d1b | damn it tired --> actually is tasksel |
| 08:09.12 | d1b | yes it is a command. |
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| 08:12.54 | d1b | apt-get -d |
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| 08:13.09 | naquad | thank you |
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| 08:18.34 | nsadmin | nas newly created files and dirs would have g+w |
| 08:18.50 | nsadmin | which means group write permission |
| 08:19.13 | nas | nsadmin: nas>can i set diff process to use diff umask? |
| 08:19.14 | nas | <nas>like apache use 0002 and all the rest use the default 0022? |
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| 08:22.53 | BlackDal | Hi; where can I find a list of debian developers ???? |
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| 08:26.22 | franki^ | BlackDal: http://www.debian.org/devel/people possibly? |
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| 08:27.44 | BlackDal | ty franki^; but I want developes list; no packages ;) |
| 08:28.38 | franki^ | BlackDal: that's why i gave you a list of developers... (with the packages that they maintain) |
| 08:29.15 | BlackDal | franki^; ok; so tnx ;) |
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| 08:44.41 | naquad | people, how do i set default font size for Xorg? after installing second monitor it's about 7px :( was at least 12 |
| 08:45.01 | krion | hi |
| 08:46.56 | disc0rd | naquad: try http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_Font_Configuration#Make_font_sizes_match_DPI_settings |
| 08:47.19 | naquad | disc0rd, tried it. DisplaySize doesn't help :( |
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| 08:47.33 | naquad | and i don't know where to pud -dpi N for xdm |
| 08:47.40 | disc0rd | hrm, worked for me a while back |
| 08:48.58 | naquad | aha! Option "NoDDC" "true" - i didn't try that |
| 08:49.16 | frostschutz | naquad: check xdpyinfo for the size its actually using |
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| 08:49.44 | disc0rd | naquad: u can put it in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 08:50.00 | naquad | dimensions: 3840x1200 pixels (1300x406 millimeters) |
| 08:50.08 | disc0rd | yikes |
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| 08:51.53 | naquad | configured. X restart |
| 08:52.37 | disc0rd | wish i had a screen with that res :) |
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| 09:00.53 | plop | Hello, does someone knows where I could find some woody iso? |
| 09:01.15 | tga | can anyone here help with a net-snmp problem? I am trying to generate a trap but snmptrap doesn't like my arguments |
| 09:01.30 | tga | plop: have you tried the mirrors? |
| 09:02.17 | plop | tga: maybe I missed the good one, but none I tried had old versions iso |
| 09:02.26 | nsadmin | plop: try archive.debian.org |
| 09:02.35 | nsadmin | why so old? |
| 09:02.53 | plop | I just want to test some old stuff |
| 09:02.59 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 09:03.38 | tensorpudding | woody is pretty crusty by now |
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| 09:03.51 | naquad | -dpi 96 and -dpi 120 didn't help :( |
| 09:04.00 | plop | nsadmin: i found that already but does that mean I need to make the iso myself? |
| 09:04.09 | disc0rd | maybe ibiblio |
| 09:04.09 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 09:04.15 | naquad | and i've got some strange thing: Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0". - how do i fix this? |
| 09:04.34 | nsadmin | why, how does it say to do it? |
| 09:04.47 | fluxdude | does anyone know of a good alternative to rancid. It doesn't look like it's been updated or used in years... it's not even packaged in epel and the debianstable version still says alpha which must have been like that for years... |
| 09:04.47 | fluxdude | on another note: is there a way of getting netstat to show what is holding only 1 port open, without grepping the port out of the netstat output? |
| 09:05.30 | plop | another thing which has nothing to do but I remember a debian package that could verfiy if the checksum of all bins matches the one on the debian server. I just don't remember the name |
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| 09:05.49 | disc0rd | plop: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo |
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| 09:06.02 | disc0rd | jigdo makes cds |
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| 09:07.14 | plop | disc0rd: thx trying :-) |
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| 09:08.08 | tga | does anyone here know about snmptrap? it doesn't like my arguments and returns a rather cryptic error |
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| 09:08.29 | tga | fluxdude: what's wrong with grep? |
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| 09:09.12 | fluxdude | tga: nothing, I'm just curious if there is some refinement that means I don't need to pipe through grep |
| 09:09.32 | fluxdude | like ps -C bash |
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| 09:13.55 | nsadmin | interesting... so there are no cd images of the old ex-stables? |
| 09:15.21 | tga | what was the xorg metapackage again? x-something-environment |
| 09:15.21 | disc0rd | maybe torrents |
| 09:15.27 | plop | nsadmin: just found that while looking search for the jigdo files:http://riksun.riken.go.jp/pub/pub/Linux/debian/debian-cdimage/archive/ |
| 09:16.23 | Hobbes` | nsadmin http://mirror.klabs.be/debian-cd/ |
| 09:16.37 | disc0rd | i remeber when woody was released, they seemed reluctant to host isos :) |
| 09:16.47 | disc0rd | lot of bandwidth, i guess |
| 09:16.56 | disc0rd | they were really pimpng jigdo |
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| 09:19.28 | FenrirReturns | Is there a way to get information of about the size of installed packages? |
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| 09:21.45 | disc0rd | FenrirReturns: aptitude show <pkg> |
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| 09:24.44 | disc0rd | ie aptitude show irssi |grep Size |
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| 09:25.06 | disc0rd | Uncompressed Size: 2757k |
| 09:26.07 | Open | I have a few jpeg images with text in them (the text is very clear - it seems like Deja vu font) - can anyone suggest a tool with which I can capture that text quickly? |
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| 09:27.45 | disc0rd | Open: u need some OCR software... i'veonly ever done it in windoze but i'm sure there is some |
| 09:27.50 | OpenTokix | Open: apt-cache search ocr |
| 09:28.01 | OpenTokix | Open: there is a few |
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| 09:28.25 | Open | ok, I'll look try whatever tools that commands lists. thanks |
| 09:28.34 | disc0rd | tesseract-ocr seems popular |
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| 09:29.40 | FenrirReturns | disc0rd: Thanks! |
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| 09:30.02 | disc0rd | heh, no worries |
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| 09:33.04 | Open | I've just added a layout in keyboard preferences ('United Kingdom International (with dead keys)') -- where can I find its manual, so I know how to input what? |
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| 09:52.19 | ajay | hi to all, i am getting error for chroot command as Bus error |
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| 10:11.31 | si-p | is there any way to re-generate the fstab file if deleted? |
| 10:12.50 | ajay | si-p, can be recraeted using output of mount command and mtab |
| 10:13.10 | si-p | ajay: thanks! |
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| 10:14.43 | alreadygone | hi, I want to download Debian 5 DVD. On the link http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/, there are only CD torrents... |
| 10:14.57 | omns | hello, i'm using a new Debian Testing build. how can i enable SHMconfig if i don't have an xorg.conf file? |
| 10:15.19 | stix | alreadygone, do you expect anything else by looking at the url? |
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| 10:15.53 | Stereo | alreadygone: the netinst iso is usually fine |
| 10:16.00 | zxd | is there a tool for creating an image of a ext3 partition |
| 10:16.07 | alreadygone | stix, This is what was written above the link: Download larger CD/DVD image files, record and install using that media only. |
| 10:16.08 | zxd | that dosen't copy empty blocks |
| 10:16.15 | zxd | like ntfsclone does |
| 10:16.31 | alreadygone | Can you read the word DVD? So YES I expect anything else |
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| 10:17.19 | TheAvatar | /bin/grep serial /etc/xen/hydrogen.cfg | /usr/bin/awk '{ if ($1!="serial") exit 1 }' - it always return 0 - how come? |
| 10:17.22 | alreadygone | Stereo, but then my system will be useless for a day or so.... |
| 10:17.41 | stix | alreadygone, DVD isn't a word - it's an abbreviation |
| 10:17.56 | alreadygone | stix, you are a moron |
| 10:18.45 | stix | alreadygone, how can we know what you read above your download-links? |
| 10:19.14 | OpenTokix | zxd: What are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 10:19.51 | stix | alreadygone, I see DVD-torrents on the url you posted: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ ??? |
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| 10:20.08 | alreadygone | huh? let me check |
| 10:20.11 | ootput | themill: nope :) |
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| 10:20.49 | alreadygone | crap |
| 10:20.57 | alreadygone | sorry stix |
| 10:21.32 | tga | does anyone happen to know anything about generating traps with snmptrap? |
| 10:21.46 | stix | np |
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| 10:23.52 | Mallxs | Hi on 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP I get seg faults on the child process if a page request is done |
| 10:24.15 | Mallxs | here is the bt full http://pastebin.com/m2e9630d5 |
| 10:24.40 | Mallxs | >a other thing i notesd is when i do a apache2 -M or -t i get a error mesg apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 10:24.49 | Mallxs | is that a debian thing ? |
| 10:25.10 | d1b | Mallxs: erh... are you trying to use apache or build it ? |
| 10:25.11 | Mallxs | but if starded vi the init.d it runs fine under the correct user |
| 10:25.21 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.09 | Mallxs | so the seg faults are my real problem |
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| 10:28.10 | Mallxs | i'm running Server version: Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) biuld 14 nov |
| 10:28.44 | d1b | Mallxs: im not sure what you are trying to do here exactly, you seem to have tried to build apache from source |
| 10:28.51 | d1b | and then run it as the wrong user :) |
| 10:29.26 | Mallxs | Nop |
| 10:29.37 | Mallxs | It a simple apt-get install |
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| 10:31.21 | Mallxs | and its running as www-data |
| 10:31.35 | Mallxs | It was running before just fine |
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| 10:31.49 | Mallxs | day and night |
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| 10:35.46 | BleSS | which what command could I testing the use of daemons? |
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| 10:44.34 | ethanol | what is 'atd' ? |
| 10:44.51 | ethanol | I just upgraded some old machine to libc6, and several services needed to restart. atd failed |
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| 10:45.36 | Ferrenrock | hey, anyone have LUKS work inside of splashy and not before it? |
| 10:47.05 | cantoma | guys, Sorry I am a newbie in this. I have a vmware image running in my debian machine. The guest has a hostname that is not recognise by the host. I can only connect between host and guest using ssh user@ip. But i would like to do it using the hostname. How can this be done? |
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| 10:49.13 | rvsjoen | the simple way, update /etc/hosts |
| 10:49.49 | MNZ | Hi. I'm on debian lenny, trying to use filesystem quotas. No matter what I do quotacheck complains "Mountpoint (or device) / not found or has no quota enabled.". I have quotas enabled (mount says: "/dev/xvda1 on / type xfs (rw,noatime,nodiratime,usrquota,grpquota)" |
| 10:50.24 | rvsjoen | ethanol: at is used to execute jobs at predefined times, atd does the actual work |
| 10:50.32 | ethanol | ok |
| 10:50.42 | cantoma | rvsjoen, its ok to edit it manually? |
| 10:50.48 | rvsjoen | cantoma: yes |
| 10:51.02 | rvsjoen | cantoma: for a description do 'man hosts' |
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| 10:53.39 | cantoma | rvsjoen, so in the "guest" the hostname is debian. so in the /etc/hosts of the "host" I should add only 192.168.113.129 debian. for example |
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| 10:57.35 | rvsjoen | cantoma: yes |
| 10:58.00 | maxagaz | how to open gcalctool on a remote machine and display it on the screen of the remote machine ? |
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| 10:58.47 | rvsjoen | maxagaz: just a guess, but setting the DISPLAY variable properly might work |
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| 10:59.21 | maxagaz | rvsjoen, how to list the available DISPLAYs ? |
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| 11:00.47 | rvsjoen | maxagaz: that I dont know, you might be able to look for /usr/bin/X processes in ps, I dont remember if they list the display id on the command line |
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| 11:02.23 | maxagaz | rvsjoen, i change the display var, but i get: (gcalctool:20374): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 11:02.55 | cantoma | rvsjoen, it works thanks |
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| 11:07.00 | KinkyKamikaze | Excuse me, does anyone know the repositories for non-free stuff. I can't get flash to work as well as trying to stream music from an online radio |
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| 11:12.33 | jelly | !tell KinkyKamikaze -about adobe flash |
| 11:12.55 | jelly | KinkyKamikaze: as for online streams, you usually don't need non-free software for that |
| 11:13.13 | KinkyKamikaze | jelly: It's not just flash I would like all the non-free stuff, thanks mate |
| 11:13.26 | jelly | "all"? |
| 11:13.49 | cantoma | guys, I am trying to do ssh without password by following this tutorial. http://www.debianadmin.com/ssh-your-debian-servers-without-password.html. Is it authorized_keys in .ssh/ folder the right file or should be something else? In debian |
| 11:13.51 | disc0rd | yeah, was gonna suggest http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 11:14.07 | jelly | KinkyKamikaze: best to tell what doesn't work, and then someone will help you fix it |
| 11:14.28 | Mallxs | jelly: google for Debian Multimedia |
| 11:14.41 | jelly | Mallxs: not me |
| 11:14.57 | Mallxs | Sorry jelly |
| 11:15.16 | disc0rd | cantoma: check out http://polishlinux.org/apps/ssh-tricks/ |
| 11:15.20 | Mallxs | But KinkyKamikaze .. what a name and you will find http://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=2&ved=0CBMQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdebian-multimedia.org%2Fdebian-m.php&ei=e4UCS7b_F5WsjAfwyfGrAQ&usg=AFQjCNF4GxZnbKxQpbB23aNRu5nZx23lFw&sig2=AA1mu1Mb8YddKmIOHhBrvA |
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| 11:15.39 | gribozavr | cantoma: yes, ~/.ssh/authorized_keys. create it if it doesn't exist or use ssh-copy-id |
| 11:15.39 | disc0rd | i just learnt to do it myself yesterday, cantoma :) |
| 11:15.41 | KinkyKamikaze | lashplayer-mozilla doesn't exisr |
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| 11:16.16 | jelly | KinkyKamikaze: did you enable d-m repositories? |
| 11:16.17 | disc0rd | KinkyKamikaze: u need to add the debian multimedia repo to install tht |
| 11:16.26 | KinkyKamikaze | ok, I just added non-free |
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| 11:16.31 | KinkyKamikaze | What is dm |
| 11:16.38 | jelly | KinkyKamikaze: /msg dpkg debian-multimedia.org |
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| 11:18.07 | setog3 | do you know a software that extract citation from a pdf (like a scientific paper), and convert this citation into bibtex ? (the main idea is to know in a bibtex database which paper is linked with wich one etc.., make a tree of papers ) |
| 11:18.43 | KinkyKamikaze | jelly: dmm lenny |
| 11:18.48 | cantoma | disc0rd, thanks for the links .. it also points authorized_keys as the file |
| 11:18.56 | disc0rd | yeah |
| 11:19.00 | cantoma | gribozavr, yes i did create |
| 11:19.19 | cantoma | disc0rd, the guys still asks me for password :( |
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| 11:19.53 | disc0rd | check the format of authorized_keys |
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| 11:20.14 | KinkyKamikaze | Is there a way to get all the non-free "required" stuff? |
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| 11:20.18 | KinkyKamikaze | Like all the codecs and etc? |
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| 11:20.45 | disc0rd | cantoma: man 8 sshd has info on the formt of that file |
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| 11:21.12 | cantoma | disc0rd, it only has this -> http://pastebin.com/m399e4b15 |
| 11:22.09 | disc0rd | that looks right |
| 11:22.38 | cantoma | and the notroot@debian has exactly the reverse |
| 11:22.40 | disc0rd | i dunno mate, i'm kind new at this i just followed that site |
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| 11:23.06 | cantoma | from here ssh notroot@debian still asks for password |
| 11:23.23 | disc0rd | you should only need to do it in one direction |
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| 11:23.52 | disc0rd | if you're doing it both wys did u generate keys on both machines? |
| 11:24.03 | cantoma | disc0rd, yes |
| 11:24.05 | KinkyKamikaze | God flash is close to useless on Debian :/ damn adobe |
| 11:24.09 | d1b | cantoma: where is the ssh key atm? |
| 11:24.29 | d1b | on the system you are sshing from it should be in ~/.ssh/id.rsa DO not paste that anywhere ok. |
| 11:24.50 | nsadmin | and you don't want to be copying that file to anywhere |
| 11:24.52 | nsadmin | not at all |
| 11:24.54 | d1b | erh i meant id_rsa |
| 11:24.55 | _AnywhereIs_ | id_rsa i thought |
| 11:25.20 | nsadmin | that's not the file to be copying |
| 11:25.23 | cantoma | d1b, i don't have id.rsa file in the folder |
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| 11:25.28 | emaia | Hello, I have Debian Etch and sometimes the courier-imap uses 99% CPU and the load growing till 10..15..20! Anyone knows what could be the problem? |
| 11:26.04 | disc0rd | then ssh-keygen didn't work |
| 11:26.08 | nsadmin | cantoma: what do you have? |
| 11:26.09 | _AnywhereIs_ | emaia: seems like it's courier problem |
| 11:26.19 | d1b | and then one you want to have on the other system is from id_rsa.pub , to make it easier, you can go ssh-copy-id to the system and that will copy the public key to the correct file o nthe sytem you ssh |
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| 11:26.28 | cantoma | d1b, i mean i do have a id file that i generate .. its an internal network that i have |
| 11:26.28 | d1b | cantoma: ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 2048 :) |
| 11:26.36 | cantoma | yes |
| 11:26.40 | _AnywhereIs_ | emaia: any connections at those moments? |
| 11:26.44 | d1b | and where did you save it too ? |
| 11:26.51 | jelly | KinkyKamikaze: uh, don't tell me "dmm lenny", type "/msg dpkg dmm lenny" in your irc client and look for the bot response |
| 11:27.00 | KinkyKamikaze | I know |
| 11:27.01 | KinkyKamikaze | I did that |
| 11:27.04 | cantoma | i copy the .pub to the other host |
| 11:27.06 | KinkyKamikaze | I was asking if that one was the right now |
| 11:27.27 | nsadmin | cantoma: so you overwrote the other .pub? |
| 11:27.28 | cantoma | and add it to authorized_keys .. actually authorized_keys didn't exist |
| 11:27.32 | jelly | if you're using lenny, I suppose it is, KinkyKamikaze |
| 11:27.37 | d1b | cantoma: yes. |
| 11:27.41 | nsadmin | oh, that's good |
| 11:27.50 | d1b | cantoma: i prefer to use ssh-copy-id it is easier :) |
| 11:27.51 | cantoma | nsadmin, there was no other pub in the guest hostname |
| 11:28.07 | cantoma | i did scp |
| 11:28.15 | nsadmin | to what dir? |
| 11:28.20 | cantoma | .ssh/ |
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| 11:28.34 | nsadmin | then you overwrote the one on the remote |
| 11:28.41 | emaia | _AnywhereIs_: around 90 connections, but sometimes has more connections and the load it's less 1 |
| 11:28.41 | disc0rd | KinkyKamikaze: check out linuxmint, it comes with all this stuff pre-installed |
| 11:28.55 | nsadmin | here's what you need to do |
| 11:29.12 | nsadmin | first get rid of the keys you generated on both machines |
| 11:29.13 | d1b | !ssh-copy-id |
| 11:29.13 | _AnywhereIs_ | emaia: maybe it's doing something huge |
| 11:29.23 | cantoma | nsadmin, i copy something like id_whatever.pub to the guest host. Before there was no id_whatever.pub in that hostname .ssh/ folder |
| 11:29.30 | nsadmin | then generate them again |
| 11:29.38 | _AnywhereIs_ | emaia: how often does that happen? |
| 11:29.50 | _AnywhereIs_ | emaia: did you tried other version? |
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| 11:30.05 | cantoma | ok so i will delete them and generate them again. then use ssh-copy-id to copy them |
| 11:30.24 | nsadmin | then cat the .pub file on the local, select that text |
| 11:30.32 | cantoma | i will also delete authorized_keys files on both since previously they didn't exist |
| 11:30.42 | d1b | cantoma: ssh-copy-id will copy from the system you generated the keys from, the public key to the ssytem you use ssh-copy-id too. |
| 11:30.54 | nsadmin | then on the remote do cat >> .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 11:30.55 | disc0rd | i gotta remember that |
| 11:30.58 | nsadmin | then paste |
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| 11:31.04 | nsadmin | then do the opposite |
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| 11:31.09 | cantoma | ok |
| 11:31.38 | cantoma | does known_hosts file should participate on this? |
| 11:31.39 | nsadmin | you're doing this just to make sure you didn't accidently overwrite -either- the pub on the local -or- the remote |
| 11:31.46 | nsadmin | no |
| 11:32.00 | nsadmin | ssh-ing will take care of known_hosts |
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| 11:32.33 | nsadmin | you know how it asks you the first time you ssh? |
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| 11:35.42 | MJBrune | how come banshee is 1.6 beta in squeeze but iceweasel wont go past 3.0? |
| 11:35.54 | MJBrune | this makes really no sense to me |
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| 11:37.44 | petemc | what does one thing have to do with the other> |
| 11:37.45 | petemc | ? |
| 11:38.00 | MJBrune | well banshee has more bugs then ice weasel and is less stable |
| 11:38.20 | MJBrune | you would think the beta would be held back for a more stable environment |
| 11:38.43 | MJBrune | where ice weasel was held back for a more stable environment |
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| 11:40.22 | MJBrune | where im dying for ice weasel 3.5 in testing and it only has 15 bugs you guys hold it back |
| 11:40.36 | MJBrune | but banshee with 120 open bugs you push it through? |
| 11:41.11 | MJBrune | I was just wondering if i was missing something |
| 11:42.18 | disc0rd | did u check backports? |
| 11:42.26 | MJBrune | disc0rd: backports being? |
| 11:42.55 | nsadmin | MJBrune: would this be debian victimizing you? |
| 11:43.08 | macrobat_ | bugs have different severity... |
| 11:43.10 | MJBrune | nsadmin: huh? |
| 11:43.47 | nsadmin | MJBrune: you're acting as if debian did something to you... but I digress. you do have choices, and one of those is to compile it yourself |
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| 11:44.23 | MJBrune | nsadmin: that is true and i dont think I was acting like debian owes me something |
| 11:44.31 | MJBrune | I was just trying to understand the logic behind it |
| 11:44.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | MJBrune: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 11:44.57 | nsadmin | oh ok, then I must have mistook your tone (since tone isn't expressable on irc :) |
| 11:45.26 | macrobat_ | 3.6 is supposed to have html5 capabilities |
| 11:45.41 | MJBrune | nsadmin: understandable but your sentence brings me to http://xkcd.com/541/ |
| 11:45.57 | nsadmin | what's that? |
| 11:46.18 | disc0rd | that's m favourite xkcd :D |
| 11:46.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 11:46.37 | MJBrune | nsadmin: its a comic about how to end a parenthical statement with a emoticon |
| 11:46.52 | MJBrune | nsadmin: its rather comical. |
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| 11:47.08 | nsadmin | cute |
| 11:48.06 | disc0rd | i've shown that to people and seen them visibly breath a sigh of releif when they realise it's not just them that had considered tthat problem |
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| 11:48.31 | disc0rd | two of them non-geek females concerned bout their sms's |
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| 11:50.31 | rajeshsr | hi |
| 11:50.32 | Athas` | I have a problem with install-info, I think. When dpkg is trying to configure auctex, I get "This is not dpkg install-info anymore, but GNU install-info\nSee the man page for ginstall-info for command line arguments\ninstall-info: No dir file specified; try --help for more information.", after which dpkg terminates incorrectly. |
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| 11:50.53 | Athas` | As far as I can guess, my install-info program has been upgraded/changed, but the auctex package (or maybe dpkg itself?) cannot cope. |
| 11:50.56 | rajeshsr | when i open a flash file with totem, it is saying that codec missing. How am I to get it? |
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| 11:52.06 | rajeshsr | > A application/x-shockwave-flash decoder plugin is required to play this stream, but not installed. |
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| 11:53.41 | slope | A question about openssh-server. Is sftp-server the same as internal-sftp in sshd_config? http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=sftp-server&sektion=8&arch=&apropos=0&manpath=OpenBSD+Current I have internal-sftp after Subsystem and ForceCommand in my /etc/ssh/sshd_config , should I change it to sftp-server? |
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| 11:57.17 | Kamping_Kaiser | Athas`: there is a thread (2 posts so far) on debian-devel list. |
| 11:57.35 | Athas` | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks, I'll check it out. |
| 11:57.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | Athas`: np |
| 11:57.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | Athas`: called 'install-info changes' |
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| 12:04.07 | Shadur | arghs, facedesks. Who let the mangler nose around the technical section of networking docs? |
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| 12:04.34 | Mallxs | some1 online who can read a apache bt ? |
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| 12:06.54 | nsadmin | Mallxs: perhaps someone in #apache or #htpd |
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| 12:07.15 | nsadmin | err #httpd |
| 12:08.13 | Mallxs | on # apache is only fajita online :-) |
| 12:08.29 | nsadmin | then try #httpd |
| 12:08.38 | nsadmin | maybe there are 2 |
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| 12:13.36 | greenmang0 | how can i install php5-sqlite3 package on Debian Lenny (stable) ? |
| 12:13.36 | greenmang0 | it's not available in repositories.... |
| 12:14.24 | nsadmin | greenmang0 check backports.org |
| 12:15.38 | \amethyst | it was removed a long time ago |
| 12:15.49 | \amethyst | last update was feb 2007 |
| 12:15.50 | nsadmin | oh it was? |
| 12:16.05 | \amethyst | greenmang0: I don't suppose you can port your app to php5-sqlite ? |
| 12:16.08 | greenmang0 | nsadmin: nah.. not available with backports either |
| 12:16.08 | nsadmin | because upstream isn't maintaining it? |
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| 12:16.47 | greenmang0 | \amethyst: that means i can not use sqlite3 on Debian Stable... :( |
| 12:16.52 | \amethyst | yeah, last upstream update was april 2007 |
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| 12:17.04 | \amethyst | greenmang0: php5-sqlite can use sqlite3 I believe |
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| 12:17.18 | oggei | greenmang0: php5-sqlite in stable seems to depends on libsqlite3-0 |
| 12:17.19 | greenmang0 | \amethyst: nope.. i tried... |
| 12:17.40 | greenmang0 | oggei: yeah... it is dependent on libsqlite3-0 |
| 12:18.03 | greenmang0 | oggei: i tried everything... possible... |
| 12:18.19 | greenmang0 | oggei: but nothing worked |
| 12:18.50 | greenmang0 | ALTER command is not available with Sqlite 2.x |
| 12:18.52 | greenmang0 | :( |
| 12:19.14 | nsadmin | port it to postgres |
| 12:19.51 | oggei | greenmang0: php5-sqlite actually provides two different extensions, sqlite and pdo_sqlite |
| 12:19.55 | greenmang0 | nsadmin: i need very little functionality... so i don't want monsters like mysql or postgres |
| 12:20.02 | oggei | pdo_sqlite seems to be -3 compatible |
| 12:20.15 | greenmang0 | oggei: right... i checked phpinfo(); ... how can i make use of it? |
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| 12:20.45 | oggei | try searching documentation on usual places |
| 12:21.22 | greenmang0 | oggei: ok.. let me check... |
| 12:21.25 | \amethyst | greenmang0: http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.pdo-sqlite.php |
| 12:21.34 | oggei | usually, it's php.net/<keyword> |
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| 12:26.32 | rajeshsr | hi, is it possible to get shockwave flash working in lenny? |
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| 12:27.16 | rajeshsr | i mean not as a browser plugin, with players like totem |
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| 12:28.16 | \amethyst | rajeshsr: do you want interaction, or just youtube videos? |
| 12:29.00 | rajeshsr | \amethyst, well, to play youtube videos. |
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| 12:29.47 | \amethyst | >() is process substitution... it works like a pipe, but yields a filename, so you have to redirect into it |
| 12:29.50 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 12:30.40 | \amethyst | rajeshsr: there's a youtube-dl package in sid for downloading youtube videos as mp4s |
| 12:30.54 | \amethyst | rajeshsr: which can then be viewed in video players |
| 12:31.33 | \amethyst | rajeshsr: the dependencies are very light, so you should be able to install the sid package in lenny or squeeze without problems |
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| 12:32.54 | niklaswe | does someone know what i must enable to enable SYS_HIPERVISOR ? i cant find what i must enable |
| 12:33.21 | jetscreamer | kernel iirc? |
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| 12:34.13 | rajeshsr | \amethyst, hmm, ok, thanks. But any development going for shockwave support? I see this seems to be a problem everywhere! the curious thing is how it works well as a browser plugin! |
| 12:35.57 | \amethyst | rajeshsr: there's swfdec and gnash |
| 12:36.39 | rajeshsr | \amethyst, swfedc seems not working! is it for shockwave flash? i guess shockwave and shockwave flash are different. |
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| 12:37.18 | \amethyst | rajeshsr: those are both for flash... I have no idea about shockwave support in non-Adobe software |
| 12:37.38 | jetscreamer | iirc there's no shockwave for linux |
| 12:37.43 | jetscreamer | not sure lately |
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| 12:39.50 | zaidka | Hi. Who knows of an alternative to cdc-acm? |
| 12:39.59 | jelly | crossover office makes shockwave director plugins work in Linux browsers, but that's quite a hack |
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| 12:41.24 | jelly | rajeshsr: youtube only deals with flash; no director usage there. "shockwave flash" is just a different name for flash. |
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| 12:43.20 | rajeshsr | jelly, oh, But am not quite sure why totem is unable to play it. I guess my totem can play flv files with flash codecs |
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| 12:43.52 | harpal_ | which packet contains libc.so.6 file? |
| 12:43.54 | slope | There's always this site for those with browsers that can handle HTML5 http://neosmart.net/YouTube5/ . Not that I've tried it. Looking forward to seeing Youtube itself using HTML5 instead of flash. |
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| 12:46.52 | jelly | harpal_: /lib/libc.so.6 is in libc6. Also, /msg dpkg search |
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| 12:51.52 | harpal_ | jelly: thanks a lot |
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| 12:59.45 | nsadmin | slope: is html5 even finalized as a standard yet? |
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| 13:00.47 | vigneswari | hello all |
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| 13:01.00 | vigneswari | i need help in partiotioning |
| 13:01.11 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, no, but 802.11n was used for years before it was finalized as a standard |
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| 13:01.58 | greenmang0 | \amethyst: oggei : thanks finally... pdo_sqlite worked... :) |
| 13:02.09 | vigneswari | i have separate boot partition in my machine...Now i want to nstall a new kernel |
| 13:02.16 | vigneswari | how to do that.. |
| 13:02.36 | Hazelesque | out of interest |
| 13:02.38 | vigneswari | if i try its not installing in boot partition |
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| 13:02.57 | doomster | hi! |
| 13:03.01 | Hazelesque | for Bluetooth DUN connections, "dund" is apparently deprecated (but available in bluez-compat), what am I supposed to use instead? |
| 13:03.08 | Titan8990 | vigneswari, is the boot partition mounted to /boot? |
| 13:03.31 | rajeshsr | well, is there any converter from swf to say mp3 out there? |
| 13:03.45 | doomster | anyone a good suggestion for recovering lost passwords for RARs? |
| 13:03.53 | vigneswari | Titan8990, no its not mounted...even i cant mount it with rw permission |
| 13:03.55 | Titan8990 | doomster, rarcrack |
| 13:04.09 | Titan8990 | vigneswari, what filesystem is the partition? |
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| 13:04.40 | doomster | Titan8990: no Debian package ... will do without. Thank you! |
| 13:04.51 | vigneswari | Titan8990, ext3 |
| 13:05.20 | Titan8990 | doomster, no, debian is very lacking in security testing tools which is why there are distros like backtrack and pentoo |
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| 13:05.34 | Titan8990 | vigneswari, what error do you get when you try to mount it?\ |
| 13:05.43 | slope | rajeshsr: if you're takling about youtube videos, those are .flv not .swf http://www.google.com/search?q=flv+to+mp3+linux |
| 13:05.43 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: kernel will get installed in /boot only.... if /boot partition is not mounted then kernel should get installed on / in /boot |
| 13:05.51 | greenmang0 | Titan8990: CMIIR |
| 13:06.20 | vigneswari | greenmang0, whatever the new kernel i installed is installed in /boot |
| 13:06.43 | vigneswari | but system is booting with the kernel in that separate boot partition |
| 13:07.03 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: oh... |
| 13:07.13 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: what is the output of "mount" command? |
| 13:07.17 | vigneswari | greenmang0, ow to change that option |
| 13:07.46 | vigneswari | greenmang0, mount cmd is not showing that boot partition is mounted |
| 13:08.09 | hoo-hah | is there a tool to list outstanding bugs for installed packages? |
| 13:08.39 | greenmang0 | what does "cat /etc/fstab | grep boot " say? |
| 13:08.42 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: ^^ |
| 13:08.52 | hoo-hah | no cat needed |
| 13:09.01 | greenmang0 | hoo-hah: UUOC :( |
| 13:09.02 | rajeshsr | slope, I have some flv files which plays well here. But not the youtube thing |
| 13:09.09 | hoo-hah | ;) |
| 13:09.34 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: grep boot /etc/fstab < you can try this as well |
| 13:10.03 | lsd1 | hello |
| 13:10.03 | vigneswari | greenmang0, nothing it shows |
| 13:10.24 | rvsjoen | hoo-hah: apt-listbugs ? |
| 13:10.33 | lsd1 | Only one questions regarding snort |
| 13:10.36 | lsd1 | ? |
| 13:10.41 | greenmang0 | then how do you know that your system is using kernel on that unmounted /boot partition? |
| 13:11.22 | vigneswari | greenmang0, while booting in boot parameter the old kernel is there |
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| 13:11.59 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: ls -l /boot and see if your kernel is listed there |
| 13:12.08 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: old kernel |
| 13:12.27 | hoo-hah | lsd1: so far |
| 13:12.45 | vigneswari | greenmang0, in /boot my kernel is present |
| 13:13.15 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: it has to be there... your system is using kernel on "/" partition |
| 13:13.23 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: and not on that unmounted partition |
| 13:14.14 | rvsjoen | hoo-hah: there might be an easier way, but this should work: dpkg --list | grep ^ii | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-listbugs list |
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| 13:15.29 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: so if you install new kernel it will go to "/" partition boot directory... |
| 13:16.08 | vigneswari | greenmang0, thats correct...but before i install the new kernel...the old one was not in /boot folder.. |
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| 13:16.18 | rajeshsr | slope, file fileName reports: Macromedia Flash data (compressed), version 8 |
| 13:16.30 | vigneswari | even now grub is not in /boot folder...its in separate partition |
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| 13:18.41 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: what error you get when you try to mount /boot? try mounting it somewhere in /mnt |
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| 13:19.39 | vigneswari | greenmang0, i can mount in ro permission...but when booting it starts with grub in separate parition |
| 13:20.27 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: /boot doesn't need to be mounted rw anyway... unless you want to upgrade your kernel |
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| 13:20.40 | hoo-hah | rvsjoen: cool |
| 13:21.01 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: where is your grub located? |
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| 13:21.17 | vigneswari | greenmang0, its in that separate boot partition |
| 13:21.20 | hoo-hah | rvsjoen: does apt-listbugs already take into account current version installed, too? |
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| 13:21.34 | hoo-hah | because it seems that way. I get one bug (at most) per package kusted |
| 13:21.36 | hoo-hah | *listed |
| 13:22.51 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: then you might need to edit your /boot/grub/menu.list |
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| 13:23.22 | ArmEagle | Hmm, I'm trying to build transmission 1.76, but I'm stuck at intltool. It can't find several intltool-... executables. I have installed intltool and intltool-debian, but neither seems to provide these? |
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| 13:23.53 | Titan8990 | judd, versions transmission |
| 13:23.54 | judd | Titan8990: transmission -- etch: 0.6.1.dfsg-1 lenny: 1.22-1 sid: 1.34-1 sid: 1.40-5 squeeze: 1.75-1 sid: 1.76-1 |
| 13:24.01 | vigneswari | greenmang0, u mean...edit the menu.lst file in the boot partition? becoz its availbale there only |
| 13:24.12 | Titan8990 | ArmEagle, your doing a source build from sid or manually compiling? |
| 13:24.36 | ArmEagle | manual from the source on their site. Hmm, I guess I could try source from sid yes.. |
| 13:24.42 | Titan8990 | !ssb |
| 13:24.42 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 13:24.52 | Titan8990 | ArmEagle, you very rarely want to do that |
| 13:25.01 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: yeah... or better first try grub shell... and check you get any clue |
| 13:25.22 | rvsjoen | hoo-hah: you can specify a version number, change the awk print to print a 'package/version' output format should workd: awk '{print $2"/"$3}' |
| 13:25.23 | ArmEagle | well yeah, i wish there wasn't such a huge dependency maze and I could jsut install the testing package of transmission :) |
| 13:25.41 | greenmang0 | vigneswari: i need to leave now... time to go home :) |
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| 13:27.21 | vigneswari | greenmang0, if i do setup (hd0)it shows stage 1 doesnt exist |
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| 13:27.53 | Janhouse_ | How can I check how much space folder uses using terminal? |
| 13:28.23 | iceroot | Janhouse_: du |
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| 13:30.02 | doomster | Janhouse_: add alias du="du -h --max-depth=1" to your .bashrc |
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| 13:32.12 | Justin | doomster: that is a terrible idea |
| 13:32.55 | Justin | alias du1="du -h --max-depth=1" if you want |
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| 13:33.10 | doomster | I find that idea terribly convenient |
| 13:33.48 | doomster | you can still invoke \du if you don't want the alias expansion |
| 13:34.59 | doomster | Justin: why do you consider it terrible? |
| 13:35.06 | Janhouse_ | how can I install cfdisk on debian? |
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| 13:35.36 | Stereo | dpkg: cfdisk |
| 13:35.37 | dpkg | Curses based disk partition table manipulator for Linux |
| 13:35.43 | Stereo | curses |
| 13:36.04 | Stereo | Janhouse_: in general, http://packages.debian.org/file:cfdisk |
| 13:36.50 | doomster | cfdisk is part of the gnu-fdisk package, as 'apt-file search fdisk' indicates |
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| 13:37.07 | doomster | there is also a version in util-linux |
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| 13:39.34 | Justin | ray66: apt-cache search nvidia |
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| 13:47.24 | johni | hello everybody looks like I have been a victim of an IRC attack. My xchat started popping window after window to save a file |
| 13:47.51 | johni | does anybody know how can I see if my system got compromised? or what kind of vulnerability they were targeting? |
| 13:48.12 | Justin | johni: uhh, you mean someone tried to send you a file? |
| 13:48.18 | doomster | DDC file transfer? That is a common IRC feature |
| 13:48.25 | \amethyst | johni: did you run any of the files they sent you? |
| 13:48.37 | johni | doomster, I think it was DDC |
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| 13:48.39 | doomster | it can be used for a DoS attack though... |
| 13:48.55 | phogg | DCC |
| 13:48.59 | johni | \amethyst, I did not run any of the files but I think I had about 1000 windows open by the time I realized |
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| 13:49.26 | \amethyst | johni: you might want to turn off DCC auto-receive |
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| 13:49.47 | phogg | johni: if your client did not crash, check for new files. Delete any that you think were saved as a result of this. |
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| 13:49.50 | johni | I would not be worried if it was just a DoS attack, I am worried they were targeting other vulnerabilities |
| 13:50.18 | doomster | johni: it definitely does not mean that your system is compromised |
| 13:50.19 | \amethyst | johni: well, they might have sent you trojans in the hope you execute them |
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| 13:50.51 | \amethyst | johni: Settings -> Preferences -> Network -> File transfers -> Auto accept file offers set that to No |
| 13:51.18 | johni | \amethyst, thanks done that |
| 13:52.04 | johni | doomster, I am pay attention to the network connection that my box starts, is there anything else I could look for? |
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| 13:52.22 | agentbleubleu | HI all, Im stuck trying to get jre-6u17-linux-i586.bin to install here is the error: http://pastebin.com/m6a370861 |
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| 13:54.28 | doomster | johni: I don't know. Generally, use a firewall to turn all ports off that you don't need, both incoming and outgoing. However, that's networking 101... |
| 13:54.36 | Titan8990 | agentbleubleu, why not install java from the debian package? |
| 13:54.56 | agentbleubleu | Titan8990 I have but still having trouble |
| 13:55.10 | johni | doomster, I have a firewall .... I am more concerned about the system integrity |
| 13:55.11 | agentbleubleu | I am doing so for red5 |
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| 13:55.36 | miju | Hi, i have a problem when fetching a source package. I am trying to fetch the source of apache2. But instead of 2.2.9-10+lenny6 it uses 2.2.9-10+lenny4. deb-source for security is set in sources.list. i have absolutely no idea how to handle this... |
| 13:55.39 | Titan8990 | agentbleubleu, did you use update-java-alternatives after you installed sun java to set you default java interpreter? |
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| 13:55.44 | _impuls | hello everyone! |
| 13:55.46 | \amethyst | agentbleubleu: hm, it appears java-package's detection script doesn't handle sun java where the update number is greater than 9 |
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| 13:55.49 | _impuls | I have a very strange issue here - I can't move my (terminal/any text cursor really) more than one position at once (back/forward using the arrows on keyb) |
| 13:55.53 | _impuls | this happens only after I plugin another screen/vga dev (its a laptop) and restart the Xserver (the res on the laptop screen is fcked as well but I can live with that for now) |
| 13:56.02 | agentbleubleu | Titan8990 no |
| 13:56.04 | _impuls | any ideas.. :/ ? |
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| 13:56.37 | Titan8990 | agentbleubleu, give that a shot... its necessary after java installation, especially if there was something like gcj or openjava already installed |
| 13:56.46 | agentbleubleu | ok |
| 13:56.48 | agentbleubleu | thanks |
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| 13:58.30 | agentbleubleu | Titan8990 I get these options ? usage: update-java-alternatives [--jre-headless] [--jre] [--plugin] [ -t|--test|-v|--verbose] |
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| 13:58.37 | Scurz | hi |
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| 13:59.18 | Titan8990 | agentbleubleu, update-java-alternatives --jre -l |
| 13:59.36 | agentbleubleu | cheers |
| 13:59.41 | versuchsanstalt | i am planning to buy a scanner/printer/fax machine and would like to know if the scan unit is supported. i have found a few lists of supported devices wrt. print, but where should i look for scanning support? (its a kyocera fs 1028mfp, by the way) |
| 13:59.50 | Titan8990 | agentbleubleu, that will list available jre's, then set with update-java-alternatives --jre -s <foobar> |
| 13:59.59 | Scurz | I would to copy on a cd my new system (that now works fine), is it better to make a live cd of my system or to make an image ? the copy will be used in the future if i need to reinstall the computer |
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| 14:00.14 | agentbleubleu | ok |
| 14:02.51 | agentbleubleu | Titan8990 it lists java-1.5.0-sun but i think i need something for jre-6u17-linux-i586-rpm.bin |
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| 14:05.10 | jelly | judd: versions sun-java6-jre |
| 14:05.11 | judd | jelly: sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 sid/non-free: 6-10-2 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-16-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1 |
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| 14:21.39 | fluxdude | does anybody know of a great tool, preferably open source, to back up network devices configurations? |
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| 14:22.58 | abrotman | fluxdude: what kind of network devices? |
| 14:23.39 | fluxdude | cisco, juniper etc |
| 14:24.50 | Psi-Jack | What is Debian's regular release plan schedule like? |
| 14:25.14 | Justin | fluxdude: apt-cache search cisco juniper |
| 14:26.02 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: there isn't |
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| 14:27.28 | hoo-hah | hi guys. any of you on squeeze using firefox notice the following font issue? http://omploader.org/vMnNoeQ |
| 14:27.41 | hoo-hah | basically left and right arrows are replaced by some other chars |
| 14:27.49 | fluxdude | Justin: thanks |
| 14:27.58 | fluxdude | did that which has popped out the tool I am using |
| 14:28.05 | fluxdude | just wondered if there was anything better.. |
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| 14:28.28 | hoo-hah | I haven't touched any locales or display preferences in a long while, and have never experienced this |
| 14:28.44 | hoo-hah | nor font preferences |
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| 14:30.27 | abrotman | hoo-hah: that website sucks? |
| 14:30.45 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind .. i didn't realize what i was looking at |
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| 14:31.09 | doomster | :D |
| 14:31.11 | abrotman | hoo-hah: doesn't IW have i18n packs ? |
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| 14:32.37 | hoo-hah | Are they supposed to be installed? |
| 14:32.51 | hoo-hah | that image was taken from gitorious site, btw |
| 14:33.00 | abrotman | hoo-hah: or could be a utf8 issue |
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| 14:34.23 | hoo-hah | locales libc6 and libc were updated recently (squeeze) |
| 14:34.39 | hoo-hah | I've only noticed this occuring in the last few days |
| 14:34.54 | abrotman | do you have tyhe URL? |
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| 14:35.45 | silidan | hi, are there any working sip clients for debian at the moment? |
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| 14:36.06 | hoo-hah | abrotman: http://gitorious.org/webkit is one |
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| 14:36.17 | hoo-hah | I also think slashdot |
| 14:36.33 | hoo-hah | anything using arrows, basically |
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| 14:39.42 | nima0102 | Is there xen-linux-system-2.6.*.xen-amd64 package for squeeze ??because I did not find any package with that name :( |
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| 14:41.01 | petemc | nima0102: i dont believe so |
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| 14:43.32 | nima0102 | I have tried more and more with apt-cache and via debian web site but I did not find any package with that name:( |
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| 14:44.42 | Justin | nima0102: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
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| 14:57.05 | o2T7 | Does anyone know which is the openvas complement for checking weak certificates? |
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| 15:01.44 | zaidka | Hi. Anyone knows if there's an alternative to cdc-acm? |
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| 15:10.29 | lastnode | good day gents, i was just wondering, where could i get a list of netbooks debian supports ootb? |
| 15:10.52 | abrotman | you mean that come with Debian pre-installed? |
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| 15:12.23 | silidan1 | hi, is there an sip client with jack support for debian? |
| 15:12.31 | lastnode | well that debian would like, so preferebly stuff that doesnt require a lot of extra packages |
| 15:12.34 | lastnode | to get running |
| 15:12.37 | lastnode | (drivers esp) |
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| 15:13.45 | abrotman | lastnode: http://wiki.debian.org/FrontPage?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=netbook&fullsearch=Text ... i didn't see much else |
| 15:13.47 | Space | hi |
| 15:14.00 | abrotman | lastnode: there might be a netbook channel on OFTC |
| 15:14.01 | Space | dvinchi, ping |
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| 15:14.21 | Justin | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
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| 15:14.56 | abrotman | lastnode: it'd be nice if the wiki had a wiki.debian.org/Netbook where they were all linked from |
| 15:16.54 | doomster | abrotman: It's a <hint>wiki</hint>. |
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| 15:17.26 | abrotman | doomster: yes .. i'm aware of this. I'd have to hunt down all the netbook pages, instead of the original page creators adding a link to the new page |
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| 15:17.36 | lastnode | thanks |
| 15:17.50 | jelly | abrotman: see, you already know what to do! |
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| 15:24.27 | MAd_haTTer | any one make a tor proxie |
| 15:24.52 | abrotman | you? |
| 15:24.56 | zuberot | someone to help me with creating local debian mirror ? |
| 15:25.25 | MAd_haTTer | not today... abrotman |
| 15:25.37 | Justin | zuberot: are you sure a local mirror is the best route? |
| 15:25.42 | Justin | zuberot: I would recommend something like approx |
| 15:25.44 | MAd_haTTer | zuberot: man wget |
| 15:25.50 | Justin | MAd_haTTer: FAIL |
| 15:25.55 | abrotman | heh |
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| 15:26.05 | Justin | 14G /var/www/debian/ |
| 15:26.05 | Justin | 3.6G /var/cache/approx/ |
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| 15:26.17 | abrotman | zuberot: in almost all cases using something like approx is a better way to go |
| 15:26.19 | Justin | first is an etch mirror, second is an etch/lenny/ubuntu cache |
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| 15:26.23 | abrotman | and approx is very easy |
| 15:26.35 | zuberot | abrotman: how to or something ? |
| 15:26.38 | selckin | what's the best way to find out what repo a package is installed from? |
| 15:26.45 | abrotman | zuberot: it has pretty decent documentation |
| 15:26.49 | abrotman | !tell selckin about which repo |
| 15:26.51 | MAd_haTTer | why not wget --mirror |
| 15:26.54 | Justin | zuberot: apt-get install approx, done |
| 15:26.55 | abrotman | zuberot: but it's really quite easy |
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| 15:27.02 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: Justin just freaking told you |
| 15:27.10 | Justin | no i didn't |
| 15:27.13 | MAd_haTTer | where? |
| 15:27.21 | abrotman | <Justin> 14G /var/www/debian/ |
| 15:27.21 | abrotman | <Justin> 3.6G /var/cache/approx/ |
| 15:27.22 | Justin | wget is FAIL because it won't mirror debian properly, you need to use a tool like debmirror |
| 15:27.26 | selckin | abrotman: thanks |
| 15:27.41 | zuberot | Justin, abrotman i'll try it tnx |
| 15:27.43 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: you rarely need the entire distro locally .. approx is a far better approach |
| 15:27.51 | zuberot | Justin, abrotman just one more question |
| 15:28.10 | MAd_haTTer | what is why I am asking, not for a snippy reply... |
| 15:28.20 | Justin | heh, the approx cache is actually only 1G debian, 2.5G ubuntu |
| 15:28.31 | zuberot | Justin, abrotman i have netinst installed on hdd, added som tasks to tasksel, how to make insall cd from that ? |
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| 15:28.47 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 15:28.48 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . Also ask me about <kmuto>. |
| 15:28.51 | abrotman | i think is what oyu're asking |
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| 15:31.08 | MAd_haTTer | !ask kmuto |
| 15:31.16 | MAd_haTTer | !kumto |
| 15:31.19 | MAd_haTTer | ? |
| 15:31.31 | themill | !typosmite MAd_haTTer |
| 15:31.31 | dpkg | makes MAd_haTTer raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 15:31.31 | abrotman | !tell MAd_haTTer about kmuto |
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| 15:32.23 | MAd_haTTer | thx |
| 15:32.53 | abrotman | i think you forgot some vowels |
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| 15:38.35 | silidan1 | IS THERE REALLY NOTHING THAT WORKS BETTER THAN EKIGA??? |
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| 15:38.49 | abrotman | silidan1: less caps |
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| 15:39.12 | silidan1 | abrotman: where can i download that ;) |
| 15:39.18 | Xenguy | silidan1: ekiga works very well for me -- what problem are you having? |
| 15:39.33 | silidan1 | Xenguy: sometimes full sound, sometimes no sound |
| 15:39.46 | silidan1 | Xenguy: but most of the time no sound at all |
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| 15:40.21 | silidan1 | Xenguy: i only got one situation where all sound worked, means, i could hear other guy he could hear me.. |
| 15:40.47 | Xenguy | silidan1: hrm, I have found in the past that sometimes other sound-related applications I was running might interfere with ekiga... |
| 15:40.54 | silidan1 | Xenguy: then he can hear me but i cant hear him, and then again i cant hear him and he cant hear me |
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| 15:41.11 | Xenguy | silidan1: but since the upgrade to lenny, things have worked much better... |
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| 15:41.23 | silidan1 | Xenguy: at the momen there is only pidgin running, nothing else i know of |
| 15:41.40 | Xenguy | silidan1: 2 things I can mention that may or may not be relevant for you... |
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| 15:42.24 | silidan1 | Xenguy: which version of Ekiga do you use? |
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| 15:43.00 | Xenguy | silidan1: I found that it wasn't until I reconfigured the various 'codecs' to use the most bandwidth intensive ones first, that I was able to transmit an acceptable sound quality... |
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| 15:44.15 | Xenguy | silidan1: secondly, I find it is useful to do a quick 'echo test' with the ekiga IP address (I can look this up if you are not familiar with it), to make sure that I am actually transmitting/receiving before I use ekiga for whatever I'm doing with it |
| 15:44.32 | pclark | I can't manage to load de bbc iplayer in iceweasel (squeeze 64bits), do I have to install anything else apart from flashplugin-nonfree to make it work? |
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| 15:44.40 | Xenguy | silidan1: version is: 2.0.12-1+nmu1 |
| 15:44.52 | Xenguy | silidan1: standard issue for lenny AFAIK |
| 15:45.01 | DaRtHo | hi, how can i reconfigure the Xorg on debian squeeze |
| 15:45.02 | pclark | Other flash-player websites work fine though. |
| 15:46.07 | silidan1 | Xenguy: im using sid, with ekiga 3.2.6 |
| 15:46.20 | Xenguy | silidan1: ahhh |
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| 15:46.45 | Xenguy | silidan1: and you have registered with ekiga etc. ? |
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| 15:47.05 | silidan1 | Xenguy: no, i just wantet to use my isps sip service |
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| 15:48.03 | silidan1 | do i have to have an ekiga account before ekiga will start working how it should? |
| 15:48.27 | Justin | silidan1: no |
| 15:48.43 | silidan1 | well thats god, thats what i tought :) |
| 15:48.45 | Xenguy | silidan1: I can't say for sure, but that is what I did since I don't have any other alternative ATM |
| 15:49.11 | silidan1 | Xenguy: ok, thank you will try to get ekigas echo stuff working first then |
| 15:49.29 | Xenguy | silidan1: you have the IP/coordinates? |
| 15:49.45 | Psi-Jack | Heh. |
| 15:49.53 | Psi-Jack | I'm wondering what Google's going to do with Gizmo5. ;) |
| 15:49.56 | silidan1 | sip:500@ekiga.net? |
| 15:49.58 | Psi-Jack | That'll be fricken awesome I'm sure. |
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| 15:50.43 | mastro | can anyone remember me how to create a .deb package from "simple" files? (i've the directory structure usr/.... and I just want to create a deb package that contains those files and place them in those directories) |
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| 15:51.13 | Xenguy | silidan1: that's the one |
| 15:51.19 | Xenguy | silidan1: also, you might try testing with another person too, to get a baseline, since the problem you're having may not be your own ;-) |
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| 15:52.03 | slope | silidan1: there's jabber, I can't say if it works better though but it's what google use for google talk. |
| 15:52.03 | Justin | mastro: use debhelper |
| 15:52.23 | Justin | mastro: all you need to do is copy your tree to debian/packagename and debhelper will do the rest |
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| 15:52.49 | mastro | Justin, thanks.. I'll try |
| 15:52.58 | silidan1 | slope: i search a sip client that can use the VoIP service of my ISP |
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| 15:53.12 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm.. |
| 15:53.16 | Psi-Jack | Doesn't Asterisk do SIP stuff? |
| 15:53.20 | slope | silidan1: ah sorry, I just read the "something better than ekiga" part :) |
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| 15:53.23 | Justin | silidan1: you will likely have the same problems that you have with eikiga |
| 15:53.26 | nima0102 | Is xen-linux-system package included with kernel in squeeze ??because there is no package with this name??? |
| 15:53.36 | silidan1 | damn... |
| 15:53.40 | DaRtHo | hi, how can i reconfigure the Xorg on debian squeeze ??? :) |
| 15:53.45 | Justin | nima0102: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 15:53.50 | silidan1 | do you know if stuf will run on windowsà |
| 15:53.50 | Justin | nima0102: read it this time |
| 15:53.52 | silidan1 | ? |
| 15:54.04 | Justin | silidan1: no |
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| 15:54.12 | silidan1 | means you dont know? |
| 15:54.16 | Justin | fix your mixer settings and ekiga should work fine |
| 15:54.23 | nima0102 | Justin, thanks but on that manual there is no instruction about squeeze :( |
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| 15:54.30 | Justin | nima0102: squeeze=testing |
| 15:54.31 | silidan1 | in my mixer everything is ON |
| 15:54.36 | Justin | silidan1: everything shouldn't be ON |
| 15:54.53 | silidan1 | i eman everything that gets sound out... |
| 15:55.01 | themill | nima0102: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00003.html |
| 15:55.07 | silidan1 | i have sound from my music player... |
| 15:55.43 | Xenguy | silidan1: try a test with 'sound recorder' too maybe |
| 15:56.07 | silidan1 | look, i can hear my own microphone, even when ekiga has the no sound problem... |
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| 15:56.50 | Justin | silidan1: all that indicates is that you have your mixer settings set incorrectly |
| 15:56.50 | slope | silidan1: in volume control change the sound device and look there as well. What I used to do to check if my mic was working as it shuold was to install audacity and start recording, then when messing around with settings you see waves in the recording and know it's working :) |
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| 15:57.05 | mastro | Justin, debhelper installed a lot of executable, which one is the one I want? |
| 15:57.33 | Justin | mastro: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 15:57.56 | silidan1 | jes audacity records actually everything i hear, including my microphone |
| 15:58.11 | Justin | if you hear yourself talking your mixer settings are wrong. |
| 15:58.34 | silidan1 | if i hear myself talking it means i set my mic not only to record but also to play back! |
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| 15:58.40 | Justin | which is incorrect |
| 15:58.49 | silidan1 | ok.... |
| 15:59.44 | nima0102 | <themill>, thanks :) that means in next release stable (squeeze) xen-linux-system is included to kernel?? |
| 15:59.52 | silidan1 | so what would be correct? |
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| 16:00.02 | nima0102 | themill, thanks :) that means in next release stable (squeeze) xen-linux-system is included to kernel?? |
| 16:00.09 | Necrosporus | Who highlighting me? |
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| 16:00.48 | themill | nima0102: yes, that's the plan, as long as someone updates the xen patches so that they actually work with 2.6.32 |
| 16:01.05 | mastro | Justin, is there something smaller of that guide? I just need to do a basic package.. don't need to learn all that |
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| 16:01.33 | jamesho | I'm in chroot with Lenny trying to reinstall linux-image but I'm getting and error "Can nor write log, openpty() failed (dev/pts not mounted?)" Any ideas? |
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| 16:01.59 | Justin | jamesho: mount /dev/pts in the chroot ? |
| 16:02.18 | nima0102 | themill,then, the package xen-linux-system is no longer developed as separate package ??? |
| 16:02.22 | Justin | mastro: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ap-pkg-eg.en.html#s-pkg-simple |
| 16:03.28 | mastro | Justin, thanks :) |
| 16:04.11 | jamesho | Justin: Thanks, that gives me a "/dev/pts/0" does that look right? |
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| 16:05.04 | jamesho | Justin: The aptitude reinstall linux-image.xzy doesn't complain any more but it doesn't seam to install any thing in /boot |
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| 16:07.51 | nima0102 | themill,then, the package xen-linux-system is no longer developed as separate package ??? |
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| 16:08.43 | acxty | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:09.24 | nima0102 | themill,but on change log you mentioned, has been told that "The feature will be marked as deprecated and will not appear in future releases"!!!Do you have any idea ??? |
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| 16:09.34 | Zitter | hi, what's the problem when I'm trying to change permission on a 777 file and it says "operation not permitted"? |
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| 16:10.28 | rvsjoen | you dont have permissions to change the permission ? |
| 16:10.41 | Zitter | lol or serious? |
| 16:10.47 | rvsjoen | just a guess... |
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| 16:11.49 | Justin | too bad debian can't patch chmod with 00_777_taser.patch so when someone runs chmod 777 it will shock the user :) |
| 16:12.08 | rvsjoen | now _that_ would have been cool |
| 16:12.26 | rvalles | Justin: hah |
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| 16:12.40 | cahoot | dazed root? |
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| 16:13.44 | rvalles | acxty: what are you doing, to share the connection? |
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| 16:14.12 | rvalles | (as running a dhcp server to assign ips to the machines in the lan is obviously not enough) |
| 16:14.35 | rvalles | tho, however, you'd need to have a connection in the server first, of course |
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| 16:14.51 | acxty | rvalles, right now I only have dhcp running. I remember I need to do something with iptables, had been googling but cannot find it |
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| 16:15.11 | rvalles | focus on getting your server connected first |
| 16:15.33 | rvalles | (I understand you want this "server" to be come the router for your LAN machines) |
| 16:15.35 | acxty | rvalles, the pcs get ip from the server. I create a subnet 192.168.31.0 |
| 16:15.48 | acxty | on eth1 |
| 16:15.57 | acxty | the problem is that eth0 lost the internet connection |
| 16:16.10 | rvsjoen | any why is that |
| 16:16.14 | rvsjoen | s/any/and |
| 16:16.19 | rvalles | I have an slight idea there |
| 16:16.33 | rvalles | are eth0 and eth1 plugged to the same physical network? |
| 16:16.44 | rvalles | (ethernet network, I mean) |
| 16:16.50 | rvalles | as in, same switch. |
| 16:17.10 | Justin | as in, box with teh blinkenlights |
| 16:17.45 | acxty | no, eth0 is connected to the router and eth1 is connected to a switch with the pcs I want to get dhcp |
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| 16:19.30 | acxty | rvalles, If I deactivate eth1, then eth0 works again |
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| 16:20.22 | rvsjoen | acxty: can you please pastebin the output of 'ip addr' and 'ip route' ? |
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| 16:20.55 | acxty | ok |
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| 16:21.40 | rvalles | 16:17:46 < acxty> no, eth0 is connected to the router and eth1 is connected to a switch with the pcs I want to get dhcp |
| 16:21.50 | rvalles | is the router connected to the switch too? |
| 16:21.54 | rvalles | 16:19:31 < acxty> rvalles, If I deactivate eth1, then eth0 works again |
| 16:22.00 | jamesho | Are there any options I need to put into GRUB to be able to decrypt and root file system? Its enctyped with the Lenny installer on a LVM. I managed to delete all files in /boot. |
| 16:22.01 | rvalles | this is what makes it sound likely |
| 16:22.04 | rvalles | either this or, of course |
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| 16:22.14 | rvalles | your dhcpd is also listening on eth0 |
| 16:22.17 | rvalles | when it shouldn't |
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| 16:22.41 | rvalles | (and you get the response from your own dhcp server instead of the outside one in eth0, which is why you're not connected) |
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| 16:23.16 | acxty | rvalles, no the router and the switch aren't connected |
| 16:23.27 | rvalles | then check the latter. |
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| 16:24.00 | KinkyKamikaze | Do you find it difficult to work with two monitors one with 16:9 and other 16:10? |
| 16:25.01 | acxty | rvalles, dhcpd is using eth1 |
| 16:25.15 | rvalles | what does ifconfig say for eth0? |
| 16:25.36 | rvalles | it's not getting a local ip, is it? |
| 16:25.43 | rvalles | is it getting the external one just fine? |
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| 16:31.37 | mastro | Justin, it complain when I do a debuild when it try to do a make clean, but I don't have to compile anything so I don't need a makefile ( make[1]: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. ) |
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| 16:31.47 | ranix | I'm having some trouble with setuid. I have a script that runs "mt status" which requires root privileges. This script is chowned root:backup, and run by the user "backup" who does not have root privileges. It's chmodded 4750. mt status fails with "permission denied". What am I doing incorrectly? |
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| 16:34.57 | petemc | ranix: you cant make scripts suid |
| 16:35.09 | mesaGL | ranix: it's a safety feature. suid scripts don't pass on privileges |
| 16:35.28 | mesaGL | you can make them suid, they just don't actually do anything ... |
| 16:35.50 | acxty | rvalles, rvsjoen this is what ip route and ip address output |
| 16:35.51 | acxty | http://pastebin.com/m647a7185 |
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| 16:36.07 | ranix | aaah |
| 16:36.09 | ranix | ok thanks mesaGL |
| 16:36.16 | ranix | I remember that |
| 16:36.22 | ranix | but I had a moment |
| 16:36.26 | ranix | thanks petemc |
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| 16:44.55 | ranix | ok I have decided to simply make this user root |
| 16:45.24 | ranix | and restrict his shell |
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| 16:47.44 | \amethyst | ranix: that's not really safe... I'd instead use sudo to grant that user privilege to run the script, and only the script, with no password |
| 16:48.17 | \amethyst | ranix: backup ALL=(root) NOPASSWD: /path/to/script "" |
| 16:48.46 | \amethyst | ranix: that will allow 'backup' to do sudo /path/to/script with no arguments, and have it execute as root without prompting for a password |
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| 16:50.31 | heroxbd` | Our lenny server is compised :(\ |
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| 16:50.53 | heroxbd` | We still could not find how the cracker broke in. |
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| 16:51.31 | module000 | heroxbd`: start with your password strength, then give nessus a try to see if you left a big hole. |
| 16:51.43 | mastro | Justin, modified the rules file to not compile... now I have another problem.. I defined some files in conffiles.. I put them in debian/tmp/etc/... when "installing" from rules script. but it say that the conf file can't be found in the path |
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| 16:53.05 | heroxbd` | module000: but the last log show that he comes from a certain ip range. and no other user has logon from that range. |
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| 16:54.33 | heroxbd` | Now. Several of the binaries on the system gives segfault. but 'find -mtime -2 /' gives no clue what file is modified. |
| 16:55.40 | heroxbd` | He is now able to add file with uid=0 to /dev/ and adding a new account as gid=0. |
| 16:56.10 | heroxbd` | So we are totally f**ked and have no idea what is going on....:( |
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| 16:57.01 | module000 | heroxbd`: unplug the system, remove your crucial data, and rebuild it (with strong passwords) |
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| 16:58.42 | heroxbd` | module000: ... But I want to study this mess to know how he broke in. |
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| 16:59.35 | heroxbd` | module000: he now added a new user with uid=0 .... holy shit. |
| 16:59.49 | Justin | heroxbd`: are you running php? |
| 16:59.53 | \amethyst | heroxbd`: wait, the user is currently connected? |
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| 17:01.00 | module000 | heroxbd`: unplugging the NIC is the first step, otherwise "how he broke in" will cease to be accessible to you very soon |
| 17:01.09 | heroxbd` | \amethyst: no. the 'last' says he connected with a normal user for 2mins yesterday. and with a new account with uid=0 today for 2 mins also. He is running an irc client (with binary name 'crond) |
| 17:01.37 | heroxbd` | module000: unfortunely it is also remote to me :( |
| 17:01.54 | heroxbd` | Justin: yes. php in nginx. |
| 17:02.18 | Justin | crap like wordpress ? |
| 17:03.08 | \amethyst | heroxbd`: if the user has root, then you can't rely on the output of last, or even netstat or ps |
| 17:03.19 | \amethyst | heroxbd`: since they may have installed a rootkit module |
| 17:04.23 | heroxbd` | Justin: I don't exactly what is running as php. I am asking another admin. |
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| 17:05.05 | heroxbd` | \amethyst: I see. sigh... So now I am no superior to that craker. |
| 17:05.27 | heroxbd` | \amethyst: He can disarm me at any time with root access. |
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| 17:06.23 | \amethyst | heroxbd`: yup... your only advantage is that 1. he doesn't know that you know he's there 2. you can have someone at the datacenter shut the machine down 3. you migth be able to get router logs from the datacenter |
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| 17:08.17 | adnc | hello, if i only want to set the system time which package do i need, ntp or ntpdate? |
| 17:08.22 | heroxbd` | \amethyst: I know his id, his country and his blog. He logon from the same C-subnet each time. And googling his id gives security-related results. |
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| 17:09.11 | heroxbd` | adnc: ntpdate |
| 17:09.17 | \amethyst | heroxbd`: so contact (or, more likely, have a higher-up contact) law enforcement |
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| 17:09.28 | \amethyst | heroxbd`: oh, different country? |
| 17:09.34 | adnc | heroxbd`, thank you |
| 17:09.45 | heroxbd` | adnc: ntp is for fine tuning. |
| 17:10.19 | adnc | heroxbd`, actually i have an alix-board, which hasnt got a realtime hardware clock and i'm facing drifts |
| 17:10.27 | \amethyst | heroxbd`: in any event, unless you want to watch what he's doing, take the machine down and have the data center send you the drives... you can pore through them later, on a non-networked machine, to try to find how he got in |
| 17:10.31 | heroxbd` | \amethyst: true. different country. |
| 17:10.32 | adnc | i'm looking for a way still having at least a usable clock |
| 17:11.49 | themill | adnc: we'd normally recommend ntp over ntpdate. |
| 17:12.14 | adnc | themill, ntp over ntpdate, can you please tell me more? |
| 17:12.18 | heroxbd` | \amethyst: Hmm.... Yes, I'll take your advice. |
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| 17:13.55 | abrotman | no .. use ntp, not ntpd |
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| 17:13.57 | abrotman | no .. use ntp, not ntpdate |
| 17:14.45 | adnc | abrotman, i use a debian derivate called voyage it comes with ntpdate, do you think for such a board without RTC is ntp better? |
| 17:14.58 | abrotman | oh not again .. wtf |
| 17:15.00 | \amethyst | adnc: yes, because ntpdate doesn't correct for drift |
| 17:15.09 | \amethyst | adnc: ntpdate just changes the clock once |
| 17:15.31 | \amethyst | adnc: even if you run it every hour, that means the clock is going to be drifting for the rest of the hour |
| 17:15.47 | adnc | i see |
| 17:15.56 | adnc | thank you very much |
| 17:15.57 | themill | !voyage |
| 17:15.57 | dpkg | Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian>, targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing lists. http://linux.voyage.hk/ Not supported in #debian. |
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| 17:16.52 | z0rc[w0rk] | !why eclipse not in testing |
| 17:16.54 | heroxbd` | adnc: Yes. In that case. ntp is better: it checks time regularly. |
| 17:17.13 | abrotman | !tell z0rc[w0rk] about why is eclipse not in testing |
| 17:17.23 | abrotman | in almost all cases, ntp is better |
| 17:17.42 | z0rc[w0rk] | thanks |
| 17:17.57 | heroxbd` | if I "ldd /bin/ls" there is a line of linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007fffb85fe000) |
| 17:18.17 | abrotman | why is the machine still online? |
| 17:18.32 | heroxbd` | does that mean ls is linked to the memory? |
| 17:18.35 | km | when i sysctl -w to change the kernel setting does i need to restart for it to take effect? |
| 17:19.02 | km | when i use sysctl -w to change the kernel setting, do i need to restart for it to take effect? |
| 17:20.04 | dutchfish | km, no sysctl only changes kernel-params at runtime |
| 17:20.06 | hark | km: if you restart the setting's gone |
| 17:20.13 | heroxbd` | abrotman: you mean my poor craked machine? actually it is not for production. It is a playground for testing program and services. |
| 17:20.36 | abrotman | apparently it's a playground for someone else too |
| 17:20.38 | km | even with -w option |
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| 17:21.48 | dutchfish | km, to make changes permanent the only option is to alter /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 17:22.22 | km | i thought the -w will change the change to sysctl.conf |
| 17:22.26 | heroxbd` | abrotman: sigh.. It pushes me to learn more about security and binaries. |
| 17:22.34 | dutchfish | km, try and check ;) |
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| 17:23.15 | abrotman | heroxbd`: this is dumb .. take the thing offline .. you have no idea what it's doing |
| 17:23.15 | _AleX_ | how to tell the mail command to use another mail server than localhost ? |
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| 17:23.37 | dutchfish | km, also man sysctl.conf |
| 17:24.27 | km | man said use -w option when you want to change the sysctl setting |
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| 17:24.48 | heroxbd` | abrotman: Yes. I am calling my friend on-site to do that. \amethyst also noticed me this. |
| 17:25.58 | km | -p load sysctl settings from a specify file or /etc/sysctl.conf if none given |
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| 17:26.42 | km | so i need to use -w to make the changes perm in sysctl.conf and use -p to load the change in sysctl.conf for it to take a effect |
| 17:26.42 | datenritter | interesting. my box just added an external hdd with some fd-type partitions to an internal raid array. it has never been told to do so, and the array consists of two drives only. suddenly /proc/mdstat shows three member drives. |
| 17:26.59 | datenritter | i think the raid stuff might be a little broken... |
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| 17:27.30 | datenritter | and i doubt, the external drive's partitions have the right uuid coincindently |
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| 17:28.30 | datenritter | at least after a reboot without the third drive everything is beeing detected and resynched properly |
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| 17:31.17 | sthon | after creating a raid array on a 3ware controller using tw_cli is there a way to get debian to rescan disks to detect it without rebooting? |
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| 17:32.22 | km | it looks like i don't have to use -p with -w |
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| 17:32.42 | ethanol | how many dns servers can one use in resolv.conf maximum? |
| 17:33.04 | km | will reboot to see if the changed stick |
| 17:33.45 | dutchfish | ethanol, as far as i know no hard limited (maybe system resources) |
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| 17:33.51 | ethanol | I see |
| 17:34.02 | chuckler | what is the basic thing a debian/control file should contain? |
| 17:34.03 | chuckler | i am trying to deploy some code to a folder in / |
| 17:34.03 | chuckler | have gone through the debian new maintainer's guide but seems too vast for my needs. |
| 17:34.25 | datenritter | sthon: mdadm --assemble maybe? |
| 17:34.26 | ethanol | does anyone know in what manner resolv.conf is consulted? does it query all name servers and wait for the fastest reply? or does it try them one by one? |
| 17:34.27 | adnc | i get this kernel message "set_rtc_mmss: can't update from 49 to 2" i suppose a ntp is trying to set system RTC-time, is it possible to tell ntp not to setup hardware clock, since i dont ahve one |
| 17:34.50 | chuckler | basically i am trying to make a simple deb file to install a bunch of scripts to a folder. |
| 17:34.59 | mesaGL | ethanol: it consults them in order, until a working server is found, if any |
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| 17:35.05 | dutchfish | ethanol, it just takes one and that will be used unless declared bogus |
| 17:35.20 | ethanol | I see |
| 17:35.36 | Meths | ethanol: max 3 nameservers |
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| 17:35.45 | dutchfish | Meths, untrue |
| 17:35.54 | Meths | dutchfish: then change man resolv.conf |
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| 17:36.09 | km | nope, -w is not perm |
| 17:36.16 | dutchfish | Meths, i use 5 (squeeze/amd64) |
| 17:36.37 | simonrvn | km: the config file is |
| 17:36.53 | sthon | datenritter: hrm don't think so, I'm not doing any software raid |
| 17:36.57 | dutchfish | km, to make changes permanent the only option is to alter /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 17:37.02 | km | will have to edit sysctl.conf |
| 17:37.06 | sthon | don't even have mdadm installed |
| 17:37.09 | datenritter | sthon: try hdparm and a drive reset |
| 17:37.09 | mesaGL | dutchfish: looks like too many dns lines isn't an error then |
| 17:37.26 | datenritter | sthon: and i recommend you create a sw raid. it's really woth the cpu time. |
| 17:37.28 | rvsjoen | dutchfish: listing 5 doesn't necessarily mean that they all will be used |
| 17:37.31 | chuckler | anyone? |
| 17:37.33 | sthon | I already rebooted |
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| 17:37.36 | dutchfish | mesaGL, no idee, but as i stated only one is elected |
| 17:37.45 | sthon | datenritter: I'm just testing a 3ware card |
| 17:38.10 | dutchfish | mesaGL, the first one found useable |
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| 17:38.32 | mesaGL | dutchfish: i think i may have said something similar, in my answer :) |
| 17:38.36 | datenritter | sthon: that's ok. just don't use it as a raid controller. ^^ |
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| 17:39.11 | sthon | datenritter: already am |
| 17:39.34 | sthon | datenritter: but with all the problems I've been having with 3ware raid arrays I'm tempted to go back to using software raid |
| 17:40.18 | dutchfish | mesaGL, but .... if, the one elected becomes unreachable, it is declared bogus, then the next is aproached till again a healthy one is found, the lection process does NOT start from the beginning again, rem that |
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| 17:42.41 | km | apache seem to max out phy mem or not using swap space, any how to troubleshoot,fix or monitor the problem? |
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| 17:43.05 | dutchfish | km, apachetop |
| 17:43.10 | sthon | km: you can enable server-status in apache, that helps to see what it's doing |
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| 17:44.10 | km | ok |
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| 17:44.34 | km | apachetop is that part of apache? |
| 17:45.11 | dutchfish | km, aptitude show apachetop |
| 17:46.06 | dutchfish | km, but for simple things top and htop will do nicely |
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| 17:46.32 | km | ok |
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| 17:48.26 | debuggerboy | hello |
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| 17:49.42 | omajgat | !help ftp |
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| 17:52.10 | dutchfish | !tell omajgat about ftp |
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| 17:52.40 | abrotman | omajgat: ask a real question |
| 17:53.33 | omajgat | I just looking any ftp serwer whith webplugin to admininistration user accounts, do u know any ? ;p |
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| 17:54.16 | dutchfish | vsftp ? |
| 17:54.29 | dutchfish | but no web |
| 17:54.57 | omajgat | ;/ |
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| 17:55.04 | ethanol | omajgat: most ftp clients support database authentication, write your own admin panel |
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| 17:57.12 | omajgat | k, thx |
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| 17:58.21 | Zitter | is chmod reserved only to file's owner and not to anyone in group ? |
| 17:59.19 | esop | hmmm... anybody having issues setting themes in irssi squeeze? |
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| 18:11.58 | shamrock | I have a new debian lenny install : the terminal respects the german keyboard settings in gnome but the gnome desktop thinks its a uk/us layout. I changed the layout in keyboard unders settings but it hasnt changed. What must I do? |
| 18:12.53 | jpinx-eeepc | shamrock: sounds like you need to tweak some config in gnome - |
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| 18:15.02 | shamrock | jp : yeah I kind of figured that. settings/keyboard was where I specified german layout but didnt work on desktop. dekpg-reonfigure console-data did it. |
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| 18:16.41 | HackeMate | LaDy[uQ], is a spambot |
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| 18:16.56 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 18:17.07 | fluorine | uh...i think i'll pass on the porno, LaDy[uQ]. |
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| 18:17.18 | HackeMate | oh how come |
| 18:17.20 | HackeMate | its free |
| 18:17.21 | HackeMate | :/ |
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| 18:17.32 | fluorine | @ops: i think you have a spambot ( LaDy[uQ] ) |
| 18:17.43 | HackeMate | i said that too |
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| 18:19.56 | fluorine | thanks, ops |
| 18:20.16 | EagleRock | yeah, thanks |
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| 18:22.44 | themill | HackeMate, fluorine: use !ops spambot so that we actually notice your complaints. |
| 18:24.49 | HackeMate | add it to topic please, i dint remember if that command exists in this chan, or i saw it in somewhere else, that's why i didnt used it |
| 18:25.19 | fluorine | themill: ok |
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| 18:25.32 | fluorine | so I was off by one character |
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| 18:42.55 | jamesho | Any body know what i need to put into GRUBs menu.lst regarding decryption of an LVM. Its some thing along the lines of "cryptop<font size="3">ts=target=sda5_crypt,source=/dev/sda5,key=none,lvm=hostname-root" but not sure </font> |
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| 18:44.10 | Titan8990 | jamesho, did removing your current menu.lst and running update-grub not populate it with the correct options? |
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| 18:44.28 | Titan8990 | jamesho, err, or have you tried that? |
| 18:44.34 | jamesho | Titan8990: already tried that. |
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| 18:52.23 | EagleRock | jamesho: I don't see much regarding encrypted LVM...the info I do have is what Titan said |
| 18:52.27 | EagleRock | sorry |
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| 18:54.46 | Titan8990 | jamesho, http://blog.edsantiago.com/articles/gentoo-raid-luks-lvm/ |
| 18:54.55 | Titan8990 | when you have to do things manually, look for gentoo docs :) |
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| 18:55.48 | EagleRock | haha |
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| 18:56.50 | becks` | hi, when can install debian users the GO language (golang.org) via apt-get? |
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| 18:57.57 | Titan8990 | becks`, no telling, it was just released as opensource like last week.... |
| 18:58.06 | Titan8990 | becks`, the install docs on their website look decent enough |
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| 18:59.12 | becks` | Titan8990 to be honest i tried but it was just too painful, editing .bashrc and stuff, so i'd prefer an apt-get installation ;) |
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| 19:01.06 | Titan8990 | becks`, you have been spoiled by debian |
| 19:01.16 | EagleRock | debian does that to you |
| 19:01.25 | becks` | so that's what i like :D |
| 19:01.41 | EagleRock | I myself recently updated kernels on a testing install and the nvidia driver wasn't put in the repo yet |
| 19:01.53 | becks` | for example, i added the export statements to my .bashrc. after logging out and in again, i still get an empty 'env | grep '^GO'' |
| 19:01.55 | EagleRock | I said "the hell with it" until they release it for the new kernel |
| 19:02.07 | abrotman | EagleRock: you could get a shiny uh .. matrox card :) |
| 19:02.11 | greycat | becks`: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles |
| 19:02.17 | jamesho | Titan8990: Thanks for the gentoo link. Some intresting stuff but I don't think its what I need right now. I'll come back to it if my current line to attack fails. |
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| 19:02.38 | Titan8990 | jamesho, I meant for you skip to the bottom where it gives a menu.lst example |
| 19:02.59 | EagleRock | abrotman: I might opt for the voodoo3 :-) |
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| 19:03.41 | Titan8990 | EagleRock, it should be fairly safe to pull something like the nvidia driver from sid |
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| 19:04.55 | becks` | thanks greycat, the env stuff works now |
| 19:05.18 | Titan8990 | oddly enough we were JUST discussing that in another channel |
| 19:05.23 | EagleRock | Titan8990 actually i think it wasn't uploaded to sid yet either...this is for the 2.6.30 kernel |
| 19:05.35 | EagleRock | wow, I'm failing at IRC today |
| 19:05.42 | Titan8990 | judd, versions nvidia-kernel-source |
| 19:05.46 | judd | Titan8990: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 190.42-1 |
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| 19:07.04 | corpcomp | I seem to be having problems installing Lenny (net install) on a server. It gets to the point where I have selected a mirror, it scans it and goes to the next screen whre it states "select and install software" and is sitting at 1%. It has done this for several mirrors. Is there I way to go back as I am getting tired of having to restart the entire process again due to this failure. |
| 19:07.18 | Titan8990 | EagleRock, just use m-a to build from the kernel-source |
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| 19:09.08 | corpcomp | I don't get to the point where I actually select the applications to install. |
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| 19:10.57 | Titan8990 | corpcomp, did you look at the debugging info? |
| 19:11.21 | Titan8990 | corpcomp, ctrl+alt-f4 i think |
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| 19:12.37 | yoshx | hello |
| 19:13.25 | corpcomp | Theres debugging info? Sorry, where can I find that? |
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| 19:14.33 | Titan8990 | corpcomp, its one of the TTY's |
| 19:14.47 | Titan8990 | corpcomp, ctrl+alt-f4 i think, if that doesn't work, try them all |
| 19:14.50 | chuckler | what is the debian equivalent to /boot/grub/menu/lst i cannot seem to find it... |
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| 19:15.00 | greycat | chuckler: you misspelled /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:15.07 | chuckler | ah yes |
| 19:15.12 | EagleRock | :-) |
| 19:15.19 | greycat | (which is where that file is, in Lenny) |
| 19:15.20 | chuckler | greycat: where can i find it? |
| 19:15.37 | Titan8990 | chuckler, uhh, at /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:15.39 | chuckler | hmmm i am using squeeze and i do not find it there.. weird |
| 19:15.55 | greycat | if you don't have menu.lst then you either don't have grub installed; or you installed grub on a lilo box, but didn't fully configure grub the same way the initial installer would have |
| 19:15.56 | EagleRock | hmm...I think squeeze is up to GRUB2 now |
| 19:15.57 | Titan8990 | chuckler, did you install grub2 instead of grub-legacy? |
| 19:15.58 | chuckler | ls /boot/grub/*.lst |
| 19:15.58 | chuckler | /boot/grub/command.lst /boot/grub/fs.lst /boot/grub/handler.lst /boot/grub/moddep.lst /boot/grub/partmap.lst /boot/grub/parttool.lst |
| 19:16.03 | chuckler | i DO have grub installed |
| 19:16.10 | greycat | If he's on squeeze, he should be able to read the documentation. |
| 19:16.11 | Titan8990 | chuckler, no, you have grub2 installed |
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| 19:16.23 | chuckler | hmm..k is the config in a different location? |
| 19:16.32 | Titan8990 | !grub2 |
| 19:16.32 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (i.e. GNU GRUB version 0.9x). In development, little documentation at present. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version). http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html. Command list comparison: http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList . See also http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition and <grub2 squeeze>. #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:16.39 | greycat | grub2 (grub-pc) has no menu.lst file. |
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| 19:17.06 | chuckler | oh .. damn.. so where am i getting the options from? i wanted to pass a vga=791 |
| 19:17.41 | chuckler | the menu.lst or it's equivalent MUST be somewhere.. ah i guess i'll google.. thx anyways |
| 19:17.43 | corpcomp | OK, theres a warning about an untrusted version of tzdata and the question to ignor or not, I chose tp ignor but the install seems to have stopped. |
| 19:17.57 | greycat | I guess he's allergic to reading what he was just told in the channel. Oh well. |
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| 19:18.39 | EagleRock | here's a question for everyone...does anyone have experience installing debian testing on a netbook? |
| 19:18.41 | chuckler | ah found it! is called grub.cfg |
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| 19:18.58 | hark | chuckler: don't edit that file. edit /etc/default/grub |
| 19:19.12 | chuckler | hark: thx. will do |
| 19:19.41 | greycat | Why do so many people keep thinking it's a great idea to install a non-stable version of an OS? |
| 19:20.06 | chuckler | greycat: why isn;t it a great idea? |
| 19:20.08 | Titan8990 | wanders that himself |
| 19:20.11 | chuckler | everything works beautifully |
| 19:20.27 | corpcomp | I am going to forget about the net install, I only need disk 1 of 31 for a minimal install of Lenny right ? |
| 19:20.28 | hark | corpcomp: is it an old installer? |
| 19:20.38 | Titan8990 | chuckler, Im sure the BTS says otherwise |
| 19:20.53 | EagleRock | greycat: I find the testing distro is usually stable enough for a desktop PC needs, plus I like the updated software |
| 19:20.55 | mesaGL | greycat: stable is a relative term. debian unstable can be a bit iffy, but it is much more stable than a certain other OS i could mention |
| 19:21.10 | hark | corpcomp: you can just skip the package fetching and do a base install with the netinst. |
| 19:21.19 | corpcomp | The netinstall I have was the latest download from the debian site about 6 weeks ago. |
| 19:21.34 | valdyn | mesaGL: or you are understanding "stable" wrong |
| 19:21.42 | chuckler | well i am coming from gentoo and the present state gentoo testing is in.. debian unstable is rock solid |
| 19:22.23 | corpcomp | hark: How can I do that as this is exactly what I wanted to do in the first place. |
| 19:22.39 | Titan8990 | chuckler, gentoo testing? |
| 19:22.53 | Titan8990 | chuckler, you mean gentoo + ACCEPT_KEYWORDS in your make.conf? |
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| 19:23.11 | Titan8990 | because thats about is unstable as you could possibly get a linux system.... |
| 19:23.18 | chuckler | Titan8990: yup |
| 19:23.38 | chuckler | hell yeah i used it quite comfortably for two years though.. |
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| 19:24.22 | mesaGL | valdyn: i'm sure you'll keep me right |
| 19:24.22 | Titan8990 | i bet you had fun each time you did emerge -uDN world and saw "ebuild fail" |
| 19:24.32 | hark | corpcomp: you don't select anything to install (tasksel screen). the netinst has enough to do a base install |
| 19:24.40 | chuckler | hark: the kernel list is only in /boot/grub/grub.cfg and not in /etc/default/grub |
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| 19:25.08 | EagleRock | Titan: I think anyone doing emerge -uDN world is prepared for fun :-) |
| 19:25.16 | chuckler | Titan8990: more of simple packages failing to compile with a "emake called die" or some similar thing |
| 19:25.30 | corpcomp | OK, there in lies the problem, I'm not even getting the the screen to select the software. |
| 19:25.53 | corpcomp | It is stopping just before it gets there. |
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| 19:26.05 | valdyn | corpcomp: that comes up only after your network was configured correctly |
| 19:26.30 | valdyn | corpcomp: which might be why netinstall isnt working for you ( it needs to nic to be supported ) |
| 19:26.45 | corpcomp | I am downloading the latest netinstall iso and disk 1/31 now so that I know I have the most current versiion to see if that resolves the issue. |
| 19:26.55 | hark | corpcomp: skip the mirror selection then, or you can install with the network cable pulled out. you might have to hit escape, skip some steps maybe |
| 19:26.58 | greycat | !latest |
| 19:26.59 | dpkg | well, latest is not meaningful. Latest when? Latest in what distribution? Latest stable or latest development? Refer to software by version number - that's what it's for. Refer to debian by its codename or other identifiable feature: 'woody' (3.0), 'sarge' (3.1), 'etch' (4.0), lenny (5.0), squeeze (testing!), 'sid' (unstable). |
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| 19:27.36 | Chihork | would someone please help me report an ALSA bug? I'm not too used to doing this. I'd like to know what kind of standard info is normally included with ALSA but reports. It's probably a kernel bug (an ALSA driver). It's also information pertaining to an existing bug report. |
| 19:27.58 | Chihork | ALSA but reports = ALSA bug reports |
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| 19:28.54 | valdyn | Chihork: depends on the bug |
| 19:29.06 | hark | chuckler: what do you need to do exactly? |
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| 19:29.42 | [Jasper] | hello people, is it somehow possible to see which root commands have been executed witha timestamp ? |
| 19:29.56 | chuckler | hark: need to pass a vga=791 or maybe use vesafb.. i wanted a higher res framebuffer |
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| 19:30.11 | valdyn | Chihork: sometimes its more productive for you and the package maintainer if you produce details on demand |
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| 19:30.35 | chuckler | hark: found the line i need in /boot/grub/grub.cfg |
| 19:30.48 | chuckler | should work on a reboot.; |
| 19:30.53 | Chihork | valdyn: ok well that sounds great to me. Maybe I'll just include a couple of tidbits that I think might be pertinent |
| 19:31.07 | greycat | chuckler: but will it work when you install a new kernel and the list is re-auto-generated? |
| 19:31.10 | hark | chuckler: if you make changes there, it'll be overwritten the next time update-grub is run |
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| 19:31.24 | [Jasper] | hello people, is it somehow possible to see which root commands have been executed witha timestamp ?? like I want to see when I push arrow up |
| 19:31.35 | [Jasper] | at what time that command happened |
| 19:31.45 | chuckler | hark: true. what is a better option? |
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| 19:32.06 | valdyn | [Jasper]: not unless you modify the kernel |
| 19:32.06 | chuckler | hark: so where is an ideal place to pass boot time params to the kernel? |
| 19:32.13 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:32.17 | [Jasper] | hmm so there's no way to see what happened valdyn ? |
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| 19:32.22 | greycat | valdyn: actually, he's talking about bash's history. All he would have to modify is bash. |
| 19:32.23 | hark | chuckler: in grub-pc, the equicalent of kopt is GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub IIRC |
| 19:32.25 | valdyn | [Jasper]: but root can modify the kernel |
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| 19:32.31 | oggei | [Jasper]: maybe something like snoopy |
| 19:32.35 | [Jasper] | ok, but something happened allrady |
| 19:32.35 | Titan8990 | [Jasper], look into the HISTTIMEFORMAT variable |
| 19:32.36 | Chihork | valdyn: thanks for the input |
| 19:32.40 | oggei | apt-cache show snoopy |
| 19:32.46 | chuckler | hark: got it ! thxanks |
| 19:32.51 | greycat | [Jasper]: if it's something from the past, you've already lost. |
| 19:32.51 | [Jasper] | no no, it has allready happeened |
| 19:32.54 | valdyn | greycat: i thought i wanted to monitor some people |
| 19:32.54 | [Jasper] | ok |
| 19:33.00 | valdyn | greycat: i thought *he* wanted to monitor some people |
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| 19:33.03 | laurus | Quick question: is there a way in Linux to take a text file, replace a certain string with another, and echo it back out? |
| 19:33.06 | greycat | valdyn: So did I at first. Then he changed it. Now he changed it again. |
| 19:33.27 | greycat | His SECOND question implied he only wanted to add timestamps to bash's history recording. |
| 19:33.29 | Titan8990 | laurus, sed can do that |
| 19:33.33 | greycat | His THIRD question went back to the first question.... |
| 19:33.36 | laurus | Titan8990, thanks |
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| 19:34.10 | greycat | I guess I should know better than to assume anyone would ever want something reasonable. |
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| 19:41.01 | laurus | Titan8990, can sed do multiple search and replaces in one command line? |
| 19:41.13 | laurus | Multiple s/foo/bar/g expressions I mean |
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| 19:41.32 | module000 | laurus: yes, "g" suffix implies that it should ignore newlines |
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| 19:41.41 | module000 | laurus: (and replace more than once) |
| 19:41.54 | laurus | module000, I think I explained my question badly |
| 19:42.02 | greycat | laurus: yes. You can either do: sed -e 's/foo1/bar1/g' -e 's/foo2/bar2/g' or: sed 's/foo1/bar1/g;s/foo2/bar2/g' |
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| 19:42.05 | laurus | I mean, I want to put several of those s/foo/bar/g expressions there. |
| 19:42.10 | laurus | greycat, thanks ;) |
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| 19:47.59 | [Jasper] | hej guys, are ssh logins |
| 19:48.00 | [Jasper] | logged? |
| 19:48.13 | greycat | yes, see /var/log/auth.log and "last" |
| 19:48.20 | greycat | (i.e. last(1), the command) |
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| 19:48.41 | kinky | good evenin, I would like to know if the proprietary ATI driver (catalyst) is integrated in debian, and if yes, in which way? |
| 19:48.47 | Titan8990 | greycat, that requires a system logger, doesn't it? |
| 19:49.09 | greycat | are you going to tell me there are debian systems without syslog? |
| 19:49.21 | [Jasper] | what about ss transfers greycat ? |
| 19:49.22 | [Jasper] | also? |
| 19:49.23 | [Jasper] | ssh |
| 19:49.33 | greycat | no. ssh payloads are not logged. |
| 19:49.37 | Titan8990 | kinky, not quite sure the question but you can install proprietary ati drivers in debian |
| 19:50.00 | Titan8990 | greycat, yes, IIRC if you opt out of "standard system" in the d-i tasksel it will not install syslog |
| 19:50.08 | Justin | kinky: they are called the firegl drivers, not catalyst |
| 19:50.17 | kinky | Titan8990: I got this: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=84858 problem and it seems that is it GPU / driver related |
| 19:50.47 | greycat | hmm, did they change the name from fglrx, then? or is it just a variant name? |
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| 19:51.00 | Titan8990 | greycat, no, its still fglrx |
| 19:51.35 | mesaGL | greycat: sarcasm doesn't suit you. i prefer blunt and unpleasant :) |
| 19:52.14 | kinky | I would go with xf86-video-ati but it won't work =( so I need the proprietary drivers |
| 19:52.28 | greycat | The last thing I said that's even remotely sarcastic (here) was 14:34 greycat> I guess I should know better than to assume anyone would ever want something reasonable. |
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| 19:52.31 | Titan8990 | kinky, thats from an arch linux forums... did you view any debian documentation on setting up ati? |
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| 19:52.42 | kinky | under arch it's a _huge_ work to get the proprietary driver working |
| 19:52.44 | Justin | kinky: xf86-video-ati ? |
| 19:53.04 | kinky | it needs an old xorg-version etc. |
| 19:53.11 | Titan8990 | Justin, xserver-xorg-video-ati is the debian package |
| 19:53.16 | Justin | yes, it is |
| 19:53.25 | Justin | kinky: did you try xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd |
| 19:53.33 | Titan8990 | !ati |
| 19:53.33 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 19:54.23 | kinky | Justin: I don't have actually debian installed on this laptop, I'm asking because I don't want to switch back to xubuntu because of an proprietary driver |
| 19:54.50 | kinky | I'm hoping that debian is more lightweight than xubuntu |
| 19:55.06 | kinky | 1,9 GHz singlecore , 1GB ram |
| 19:55.12 | Justin | they are pretty much the same thing |
| 19:55.40 | Justin | if ubuntu is too heavy you can just remove the crap you don't want. if you start with debian and add too much crap you will have the same issues. |
| 19:55.51 | Justin | but with 1G of ram you can run pretty much anything |
| 19:56.23 | greycat | The amount of RAM determines how often you have to restart Firefox. |
| 19:56.46 | Justin | chrome(ium) ftw |
| 19:57.00 | Titan8990 | hmm, then what determines how often chrome sends segfault messages to my dmesg? |
| 19:58.02 | Justin | Titan8990: how old of a build you are running |
| 19:58.39 | Titan8990 | Justin, I am running the proprietary chrome, not comium and it updated mon or yesterday |
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| 19:58.49 | Titan8990 | s/comium/cromium |
| 19:59.00 | greycat | pretty sure there's an h too. |
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| 19:59.14 | Titan8990 | yep... fail twice |
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| 20:00.48 | Justin | i dunno, I find chrome to be better at just about everything except for the lack of an awesomebar |
| 20:01.10 | simonrvn | greycat: true that (how often you have to restart ff) |
| 20:01.18 | Titan8990 | Justin, it has not happened today since I rebooted, and it first started occuring with an update last week... also it caused dropdown menus to not display text, which was also fixed by today's reboot |
| 20:01.28 | jpinx-eeepc | nods - and restarts ff |
| 20:01.33 | Titan8990 | I expect it happen again since I don't believe in magic happening on reboots |
| 20:01.56 | Titan8990 | Justin, awesomebar? |
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| 20:02.30 | jpinx-eeepc | does awesomebar have xtra nuts and caramel? :) |
| 20:02.43 | Titan8990 | Justin, oh, I see... the chrome address bar has a bit of that functionality |
| 20:02.51 | Justin | yeah, but it doesn't work well at all |
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| 20:03.26 | patrikf | gnome : gnome-panel â awesome : ? |
| 20:03.26 | Titan8990 | I find the chrome address bar to be very keyboard friendly... I usually type what I am looking for and it will either go to the site I am looking for or google search for it |
| 20:03.30 | greycat | If chromium can run greasemonkey scripts (unmodified) and can launch an editor for a textarea (either natively or with an extension), then I _might_ consider switching.... |
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| 20:04.02 | Titan8990 | greycat, it has the ability to expand textareas via drag, so it doesn't need to launch an editor |
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| 20:04.11 | Justin | Titan8990: lol, sure it does |
| 20:04.20 | greycat | Titan8990: So it can't launch vim to edit a textarea? |
| 20:04.20 | Justin | chrome will have extensions soon, so that will be possible |
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| 20:04.48 | Titan8990 | greycat, oh, I thought you were talking about something a bit simpler |
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| 20:06.03 | Titan8990 | it has plugins/extensions I have not used them myself though |
| 20:06.05 | greycat | I never understood why programmers (and the people who make web browsers are programmers, right?) would ever release browsers that CAN'T launch powerful text editors. It just confuses me. |
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| 20:06.46 | Caelum | try 'it's all text' for ff |
| 20:06.51 | greycat | That's what I use. |
| 20:06.51 | scrieler | heya, do anybody know where I have installed my cairo lib with apt-get install libcairo2-dev? |
| 20:06.55 | Titan8990 | I can see its usefulness but I have never gone out of my way to acquire that functionality |
| 20:06.59 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: and why the obvious functions included in noscript and flashblock are not native |
| 20:07.29 | Titan8990 | scrieler, dpkg -L libcairo2-dev |
| 20:07.51 | greycat | My current list of FF extensions on my Lenny box is Greasemonkey, It's All Text!, and NoScript. |
| 20:08.03 | jpinx-eeepc | in fact - I'd appreciate it if there was a browser where you *have* to use an extension to use scripts or flash :) That would reduce the size and complexity of the browser |
| 20:08.06 | greycat | I don't need FlashBlock because I don't have Flash installed at all. |
| 20:08.27 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: what does it's all text do? |
| 20:08.38 | greycat | lets you launch an editor for text areas |
| 20:08.45 | jpinx-eeepc | has a rummage |
| 20:09.28 | scrieler | thanks Titan8990 =) |
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| 20:11.21 | Justin | greycat: yeah, either chome will get those features, or firefox will finally get multiprocess, either way ;) |
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| 20:11.52 | vaq2 | Hello, I'm trying to create a RAID10 within the CentOS installer from bash, I'm typing: mdadm --create /dev/md1 --raid-devices=4 --level=raid10 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 - It fails with: mdadm: RUN_ARRAY failed: Invalid argument. - I did modprobe raid10; modprobe mdadm before running the command. |
| 20:12.02 | Justin | vaq2: #centos? |
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| 20:12.06 | greycat | try #centos? |
| 20:12.13 | vaq2 | try Debian* |
| 20:12.15 | vaq2 | sorry* |
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| 20:14.54 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a way to see the total space occupied by ffx and it's various add-ons and extensions on the harddrive ? |
| 20:15.20 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, addons are probably stored in your ~/.mozilla dir |
| 20:15.31 | jpinx-eeepc | I should be tracking that as i add on the various things |
| 20:15.59 | greycat | extensions appear to be in ~/.mozilla/firefox/RANDOMSHIT.default/extensions |
| 20:16.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: ok - I'm looking at that - is that the only place things will be? |
| 20:16.26 | greycat | I'd just du -sk that whole dir. Plus the installed-size of the package, if you're using a package, or of /usr/local/firefox if you're not. |
| 20:16.29 | Titan8990 | well, that and dpkg -L iceweasel |
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| 20:16.55 | jpinx-eeepc | so another user could have different add-ons and they'd be in their dirs? |
| 20:16.55 | Titan8990 | is that also including xulrunner? |
| 20:17.01 | Justin | vaq2: try dmesg |
| 20:17.07 | greycat | Plugins, now... you might need to add those too. |
| 20:17.16 | greycat | jpinx-eeepc: correct. |
| 20:17.43 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: cool - I'll write a bash script to add them all together then |
| 20:18.11 | Justin | jpinx-eeepc: script? |
| 20:18.18 | greycat | why is this important, anyway? are you going to remove it if it exceeds some size? |
| 20:18.20 | Justin | dh -hs /home/*/.moz* |
| 20:18.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: yea -I had the dpkg -L option done, it's the xtras i was looking at |
| 20:18.33 | greycat | Justin: plus the package size(s), plus the plugins... |
| 20:18.54 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: I only have 4Gbs HDD on this little box, so space is crucial |
| 20:19.03 | greycat | so, uh, what's your plan? |
| 20:19.17 | Justin | jpinx-eeepc: apt-get install debian-goodies;dpigs -n 30 |
| 20:19.20 | greycat | "Uh oh, firefox+crap is taking 200 MB rather than 190 MB! I shall remove it!" |
| 20:19.23 | Justin | jpinx-eeepc: du -acx / | sort -n | tail -n 100 |
| 20:19.29 | Justin | im sure FF is the least of your problems |
| 20:19.44 | jpinx-eeepc | greycat: I might remove some add-ons |
| 20:19.56 | Justin | my eeepc has a 4G ssd and I have a full ubuntu desktop on it that uses like 2.5 |
| 20:20.27 | jpinx-eeepc | Justin: with gimp and openoffice? |
| 20:20.31 | Justin | jpinx-eeepc: yes |
| 20:20.33 | kermit | even with the ram i have now, i still restart firefox after it's 1GB because it starts getting slower |
| 20:20.57 | greycat | I just restart it whenever it gets too slow for my taste. |
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| 20:21.12 | greycat | Totally subjective. |
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| 20:21.21 | simonrvn | same |
| 20:21.26 | jpinx-eeepc | same |
| 20:21.36 | simonrvn | usually it hits about 500 |
| 20:21.37 | Titan8990 | it takes more than 4gb to compile oo.org in gentoo.... |
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| 20:21.42 | simonrvn | *restart* |
| 20:21.52 | hark | jpinx-eeepc: addons hardly take any space at all |
| 20:21.58 | jpinx-eeepc | just did when he installed an addon |
| 20:22.07 | jpinx-eeepc | hark: so I am seeing |
| 20:22.13 | kristianpaul | how do i recover a disk that was partially overwrite by dd command :'( ? |
| 20:22.21 | simonrvn | might want to look at mr tech. it provides a restart option, amongst other goodies |
| 20:22.22 | Titan8990 | abiword is a pretty good light-alternative to oo.org writer, im sure there are others for the rest |
| 20:22.29 | valdyn | removing unused kernel modules is probably more productive than removing firefox addons |
| 20:22.30 | Titan8990 | kristianpaul, restore from your most recent backup |
| 20:22.33 | jpinx-eeepc | kristianpaul: ddrescue |
| 20:22.45 | Justin | jpinx-eeepc: ddrescue won't help |
| 20:22.56 | kermit | jpinx-eeepc: is that better than undd? |
| 20:23.10 | Justin | ddrescue will just hapily recover the data you just overwrote your drive with |
| 20:23.21 | simonrvn | hark: most don't, but some are much larger. jpinx-eeepc you'll find that the various sqlite db files take up a lot more room than 90% of addons. |
| 20:23.24 | jpinx-eeepc | kermit: I have no expereience of undd, but ddrescue has worked well for me |
| 20:23.52 | Titan8990 | dd actually overwrites the data... I don't understand conceptually how it can be recovered from that. Its not like delete where the data is physically still there |
| 20:24.06 | greycat | Am I the only one who's scared and worried that people have had "experience" with things like "ddrescue", whatever that is, but whose name is terrifying? |
| 20:24.08 | Justin | s/delete/unlink/ |
| 20:24.20 | Justin | greycat: ddrescue/rescue_dd are useful |
| 20:24.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: he said "partially" - so the rest is recoverable |
| 20:24.44 | Justin | greycat: mostly they are just wrappers around dd that can retry and resume, and don't output holes where bad sectors exist |
| 20:24.52 | DasEi | kristianpaul: what's overwritten will be gone, can use testdisk to geld old parti-table back |
| 20:25.14 | hark | yeah, they can grow.. things like places.sqlite etc. also may want to restrict the size of the cache |
| 20:25.25 | DasEi | *get |
| 20:25.29 | jpinx-eeepc | kristianpaul: unless you want to get into serious disk forensics for the overwritten data ;) |
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| 20:26.02 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, i don't even see how disc forensics can help |
| 20:26.03 | ARMWorksiMac1 | Hello all. |
| 20:26.08 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: I'll just uninstall and reinstall the addon when it gets too big |
| 20:26.20 | kermit | kristianpaul: ddrescue is for bad sectors, it wont help read overwritten data |
| 20:26.44 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: if it is not written with random data, but with zeros, the underlying data can be recovered |
| 20:26.48 | valdyn | Titan8990: an electron microscope and a lab with it and unlimited time and you can get overwritten data *sometimes* |
| 20:26.56 | valdyn | jpinx-eeepc: not exactly |
| 20:27.01 | jamesho | is there are special way that you are mean to exit a chroot environment? |
| 20:27.05 | kristianpaul | is a 160Gb partition, just 4 Gb were overwritten |
| 20:27.09 | vaq2 | Justin: personality for level 10 is not loaded! |
| 20:27.13 | Titan8990 | valdyn, I recently read a long article about how that was mostly FUD... |
| 20:27.14 | vaq2 | Justin: it says that in dmesg |
| 20:27.24 | jpinx-eeepc | valdyn: no - not exactly, but close enough for this discussion ;) |
| 20:27.28 | valdyn | Titan8990: no, the drawn implications are nonsense |
| 20:27.51 | ARMWorksiMac1 | I have a new box and found a linux driver for the motherboard ethernet. It is in RPM. Can't apt-get alien (or anything at all). How to install? |
| 20:27.57 | valdyn | Titan8990: maybe you can recover any 20th byte on average |
| 20:28.03 | DasEi | kristianpaul: is the parttion-table still intact ? |
| 20:28.09 | valdyn | Titan8990: the implications for recovery are that you cannot |
| 20:28.23 | valdyn | Titan8990: the implication for strong crypto are a little more complex |
| 20:28.24 | Titan8990 | ARMWorksiMac1, ethernet drives are a part of the kernel, what ethernet card do you have? |
| 20:28.34 | kristianpaul | DasEi: nope i guess no |
| 20:28.38 | jpinx-eeepc | kristianpaul: look for the backup superblocks too |
| 20:28.47 | Justin | vaq2: sure the raid10 module is loaded? |
| 20:28.48 | kristianpaul | DasEi: thats the first i need recover |
| 20:28.50 | ARMWorksiMac1 | One moment - motherboard hardware. |
| 20:28.55 | DasEi | kristianpaul: is where testdisk can help you then |
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| 20:29.59 | ARMWorksiMac1 | MB is Intel DG41RQ Socket 775. |
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| 20:30.02 | ARMWorksiMac1 | Driver is realtek-r8169-kmp-smp-8.008.00_2.6.16.60_0.21-0.i586.rpm |
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| 20:30.48 | greycat | lenny 2.6.26 kernel doesn't support the 8169? |
| 20:30.54 | ARMWorksiMac1 | I have it on a thunb drive but Debian from the DVD doesn't do RPM |
| 20:30.55 | greycat | your driver is for a 2.6.16 kernel |
| 20:31.11 | DasEi | kristianpaul: it'll scan the whole drive, can re-structure from different superblocks, but for a 160 GB (sata I assume) can easily take 3 h and more for one scan, 2 are needed least, then can re-write it |
| 20:31.28 | oblio_ | anyone know why qt won't save my font settings? it writes Trolltech.conf but it seems to just ignore it |
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| 20:31.49 | greycat | !rtl8101e |
| 20:31.49 | dpkg | hmm... rtl8101e is the RealTek RTL8101E Fast Ethernet controller. It is not supported by the r8169 driver in Etch's 2.6.18 kernel. For support of this device during Debian installation, ask me about <etchnhalf> or <install lenny>. See also Debian bug #499763. |
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| 20:32.16 | ARMWorksiMac1 | Can't find anything newer. I took it off the Intel site. |
| 20:32.23 | greycat | What makes you think you NEED this driver? |
| 20:32.32 | DasEi | ARMWorksiMac1: realtek 8169 should be in kernel |
| 20:32.46 | greycat | There's probably nothing newer on the site because Linux already HAS it, and has had it for years. |
| 20:32.57 | ARMWorksiMac1 | No eth0 device |
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| 20:33.08 | greycat | ARMWorksiMac1: what version of Debian? |
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| 20:33.13 | valdyn | ARMWorksiMac1: "ifconfig -a" |
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| 20:33.30 | DasEi | ARMWorksiMac1: did you check hwinfo / lspci ? dmesg ?? |
| 20:34.03 | DasEi | ^ all sudo prefixed |
| 20:34.05 | Optic | I have an odd problem and I was wondering if anyone has any suggestions... it's a usbserial thing. I'm trying to detect and use one of several 3G USB modems on a machine |
| 20:34.17 | Optic | but you can only provide one set of vendor= and product= to the usbserial drive |
| 20:34.18 | Optic | r |
| 20:34.19 | greycat | he wouldn't need sudo during the installer.... |
| 20:34.34 | greycat | (nor do you ever need sudo for dmesg, at least not in Linux) |
| 20:35.00 | valdyn | Optic: how do you know that the serial ports are not already dectected? |
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| 20:35.14 | Optic | valdyn: they don't show up in /dev :) |
| 20:35.24 | DasEi | greycat: y |
| 20:35.25 | valdyn | Optic: what does not show up in /dev? |
| 20:35.34 | ARMWorksiMac1 | Debian 5.0.3, Linux 2.6.26-2 |
| 20:35.37 | Optic | device nodes for the USB 3G modems' usb serial endpoints |
| 20:35.50 | Titan8990 | greycat, you for cat /var/log/dmesg, it looks like dmesg is setuid or something |
| 20:35.50 | valdyn | Optic: which would be named what? |
| 20:35.52 | ARMWorksiMac1 | Disk from a new Linux mag. |
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| 20:36.10 | Optic | ttyUSBxx by default, and I have udev rules that make symlinks |
| 20:36.16 | greycat | -rw-r--r-- 1 root adm 34253 2009-11-11 21:02 /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:36.19 | greycat | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4604 2009-10-11 00:54 /bin/dmesg* |
| 20:36.26 | Optic | I would just like to be able to switch modems without updated my modprobe.d files and rebooting ;) |
| 20:36.58 | valdyn | Optic: usually serial ports are found just fine by default |
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| 20:37.05 | TheAvatar | sudo dd bs=16k if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/vzfs |
| 20:37.05 | TheAvatar | dd: opening `/dev/vzfs': Permission denied |
| 20:37.05 | valdyn | Optic: did you google for your device ? |
| 20:37.09 | oblio_ | is there a way to make a 32bit repo available on a 64bit system |
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| 20:37.19 | oblio_ | or can i not have apt manage the packages in question |
| 20:37.23 | Optic | valdyn: i have no trouble getting each device to work individually |
| 20:37.28 | TheAvatar | Any idea of how I can get permission to do that? I tried chmod 777 /dev/vzfs, and it changes permissions, but still the same error |
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| 20:38.09 | Justin | TheAvatar: what the hell is /dev/vzfs? |
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| 20:38.45 | TheAvatar | uhm - the disk - guess something close to /dev/sda1 :) |
| 20:39.05 | TheAvatar | /dev/vzfs 7.4G 3.0G 4.5G 40% / from 'df' |
| 20:40.19 | Justin | TheAvatar: something tells me it is not 'close' enough |
| 20:40.30 | greycat | Why are you attempting to write random data over a mounted file system's partition? |
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| 20:40.42 | sthon | Is there anyway to verify my nics/drivers support 802.3ad? |
| 20:41.07 | TheAvatar | Justin, close enough, in what way? |
| 20:41.16 | TheAvatar | greycat, I need to wipe the box as much as possible |
| 20:41.18 | Justin | TheAvatar: i take it the 'v' is virtual? |
| 20:41.21 | TheAvatar | and since its some remote vm |
| 20:41.25 | TheAvatar | yer, it is |
| 20:41.26 | nkuttler | TheAvatar: ask your hoster |
| 20:41.27 | Justin | sthon: were they made in the last 10 years? |
| 20:41.34 | greycat | TheAvatar: then boot from a CD. |
| 20:41.35 | ARMWorksiMac1 | hwinfo not found |
| 20:41.37 | TheAvatar | well, I would prefer to wipe it myself |
| 20:41.38 | nkuttler | TheAvatar: you probably can reset the box or something |
| 20:41.47 | sthon | Justin: yes |
| 20:41.48 | TheAvatar | I dont have a control panel or such afaik |
| 20:41.52 | Justin | sthon: then they should work :) |
| 20:41.59 | nkuttler | TheAvatar: i doubt the afaik part |
| 20:41.59 | valdyn | Optic: im not entirely clear where you are stuck |
| 20:42.00 | Justin | sthon: no easier way to find out than to just test it and see |
| 20:42.10 | DasEi | ARMWorksiMac1: sudo apt-get install hwinfo |
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| 20:42.19 | valdyn | Optic: in the device node creation by udev or at the driver finding all ports? |
| 20:42.22 | TheAvatar | heh - how can you doubt that of all parts? |
| 20:42.24 | sthon | Justin: I'm not getting errors, but I'm only getting around 120mb/sec with 3 nic's bonded |
| 20:42.26 | ARMWorksiMac1 | No ethernet. |
| 20:42.29 | DasEi | ARMWorksiMac1: ahj, have no inet, sry |
| 20:42.35 | nkuttler | TheAvatar: because i have worked on virtuozzo clients |
| 20:42.38 | Justin | sthon: how many clients? |
| 20:42.57 | DasEi | ARMWorksiMac1: lspci | grep eth* |
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| 20:43.12 | greycat | you don't want that * there |
| 20:43.13 | Optic | valdyn: the problem is that I have 3 different modems with 3 different vendor and product ids. I want to switch between them but I need to give the ids to the usbserial driver |
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| 20:43.45 | Optic | the options for the usb serial driver allow only one to be set |
| 20:43.53 | xxtjaxx_ | Hi I'm trying to get my freedns domain to work with my debian machine someone experience with that? |
| 20:44.50 | ARMWorksiMac1 | I get a host bridge, a PCI bridge and VGA info. |
| 20:45.05 | TheAvatar | nkuttler, I see - but I really cant see any webinterface or such on the providers site |
| 20:45.10 | sthon | Justin: I have 2 servers configured with 802.3ad bonding both with 3 gige nic's |
| 20:45.23 | sthon | both servers are sitting pretty much idle, other than dbrd running between them |
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| 20:46.17 | ARMWorksiMac1 | I have a bunch of 802/b/g/n and could plug one in and see if it finds a driver. |
| 20:46.25 | nkuttler | TheAvatar: do you own the vps? |
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| 20:46.35 | valdyn | Optic: why do you think you need to provide vendor id at all? |
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| 20:47.05 | Optic | valdyn: because it is not in usbserial's list of supported devices |
| 20:47.06 | BenBE | Serious problem: Start a maschine with Xen. Connect to an DomU of it by SSH, start screen, start mc. Resize the SSH-Windows doing a resize. (Tested with PuTTY on Windows as SSH client). Impact: MC freezes fillung up the memory. If the allowed VM size is reached the VM crashes (and seems so as if) the Xen Dom0 reboots. |
| 20:47.37 | valdyn | Optic: i think that means you need to fix the driver |
| 20:47.59 | Optic | I don't want to run custom kernels or drivers really :( |
| 20:48.06 | TheAvatar | nkuttler, nope, but guess I'll have to try ask the owner tomorrow if he has some more info than IP, user root and a root pw - I can see using google they do have some reseller control panel, so they probably have a vps customer panel too |
| 20:48.56 | valdyn | Optic: but read this thread http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-usb-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg19145.html, Greg KH is probably the best person to answer how this works |
| 20:49.11 | TheAvatar | thanks anyways |
| 20:49.24 | nkuttler | TheAvatar: yw. oh, and never try to dd to / again |
| 20:50.08 | TheAvatar | why not? Not as "complete" as I would expect it to be? |
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| 20:50.34 | Optic | Bruno has the same problem as me and Greg KH didn't understand it |
| 20:50.34 | Optic | :( |
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| 20:54.18 | valdyn | Optic: i have another post where its suggested to edit the driver, as i said earlier |
| 20:55.11 | TheAvatar | nkuttler, why not if I may ask? |
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| 20:55.28 | Optic | valdyn: yeah, that's the ideal way it looks like |
| 20:55.52 | Optic | there is also this: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6573 |
| 20:55.58 | greycat | It boggles the mind that someone would not only try to dd /dev/urandom over top of their MOUNTED ROOT file system, but that said person would, when told this is what is happening, question why it's a bad idea. |
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| 20:56.51 | valdyn | Optic: tiny driver thing? thats funn,y but not easier either |
| 20:57.00 | rpaulson | quick question... how do you reconfigure a package that's been stuck in configure mode? |
| 20:57.01 | Optic | no |
| 20:57.07 | EagleRock | nope |
| 20:57.13 | EagleRock | dpkg-reconfigure <package> |
| 20:57.16 | Optic | valdyn: the problem is that I have in-field machines with all different kernels. |
| 20:57.24 | rpaulson | EagleRock: doesn't work |
| 20:57.33 | Optic | I think updating /etc/modprobe.d/usbserial and rebooting might be my best answer :( |
| 20:57.37 | rpaulson | EagleRock: melissa:~# dpkg-reconfigure libsnmp-base |
| 20:57.37 | rpaulson | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: libsnmp-base is broken or not fully installed |
| 20:57.37 | rpaulson | melissa:~# |
| 20:57.46 | rpaulson | sorry |
| 20:57.51 | scrieler | hmm, is it possible to install php5-dev on php 5.2.8-0.dotdeb.1 ? |
| 20:57.55 | EagleRock | rpaulson: try purging the package and installing again |
| 20:58.04 | abrotman | rpaulson: dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 20:58.04 | ARMWorksiMac1 | Looks like I'm on after bios down/up for the wired inet. |
| 20:58.14 | valdyn | Optic: rebooting? |
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| 20:58.27 | valdyn | Optic: where does rebooting make sense with that file? |
| 20:58.52 | Optic | because the kernel driver will already be loaded and in-use at this point and can't be force-unloaded |
| 20:59.00 | Optic | rebooting will be the only way to reload it |
| 20:59.07 | rpaulson | abrotman: no.. I need to re-enter a wrongly made choice regarding that package's configuration |
| 20:59.14 | Optic | I think? |
| 20:59.18 | valdyn | Optic: you can unload it |
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| 20:59.19 | abrotman | rpaulson: you can't finish and then reconfigure ? |
| 20:59.27 | Optic | rmmod -f doesn't work |
| 20:59.33 | valdyn | Optic: dont use rmmod |
| 20:59.34 | abrotman | modprobe -r ? |
| 20:59.34 | TheAvatar | greycat, I really dont see the problem - except a few files (inodes whatever) cant be overwritten while in use |
| 20:59.37 | rpaulson | abrotman: I could... possibly, but it would take too much time |
| 20:59.48 | rpaulson | it's already gone for a couple of hours |
| 20:59.49 | abrotman | rpaulson: it's a library .. it can't take that long |
| 20:59.52 | abrotman | oh |
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| 21:00.07 | rpaulson | abrotman: stupid as I were, I chose yes to download some MIBs from iana... |
| 21:00.08 | abrotman | rpaulson: you could alter the debconf database directly .. if you're brave |
| 21:00.10 | valdyn | Optic: but thats not the point, the point is that you can remove the module only after no userspace application or different module is using it |
| 21:00.18 | Optic | yeah |
| 21:00.42 | valdyn | Optic: but if killing the usb modem using app is equivalent to rebooting in your use case. ... |
| 21:01.02 | rpaulson | abrotman: could it be easier to force-remove it instead and then reinstalling it? |
| 21:01.06 | greycat | TheAvatar: and, uh, what happens when your /lib/libc-2.whatever.so gets random data in it? |
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| 21:01.14 | rpaulson | or is that just as dangerous |
| 21:01.18 | Villarroel | Hi. |
| 21:01.19 | abrotman | rpaulson: up to you .. personally, i'd edit the debconf stuff |
| 21:01.28 | abrotman | rpaulson: after making a backup of course :) |
| 21:01.36 | TheAvatar | greycat, I would assume it breaks, but as long as dd runs I would expect it to somewhat finish |
| 21:01.39 | Optic | hmmm |
| 21:01.39 | scrieler | need to install php5-dev on PHP Version 5.2.8-0.dotdeb.1, can anybody help me? |
| 21:01.45 | rpaulson | abrotman: where is this database? |
| 21:01.50 | rpaulson | thanks by the way.. |
| 21:01.52 | greycat | I would expect the system to CRASH immediately. |
| 21:01.56 | greycat | Without finishing the dd. |
| 21:02.10 | abrotman | rpaulson: /var/cache/debconf/ |
| 21:02.14 | Titan8990 | judd, versions php5-dev |
| 21:02.15 | judd | Titan8990: php5-dev -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch15 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3 sid: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-1 squeeze: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-1 experimental: 5.3.0-2 |
| 21:02.16 | TheAvatar | I wouldn't as dd is loaded into memory? |
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| 21:02.33 | valdyn | Optic: disconnect, unload module, load module with new options, reconnect.. etc |
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| 21:02.43 | wamty | is there a way to put a timer on in terminal to do something, e.g. in 60 minutes do sudo apt-get install? |
| 21:02.46 | Optic | yeah |
| 21:02.51 | Optic | i shall play with that :) |
| 21:02.58 | greycat | wamty: sleep 3600; sudo apt-get install foo |
| 21:02.58 | abrotman | wamty: at |
| 21:02.59 | kermit | wamty: sleep 60m;apt-get install |
| 21:03.12 | Villarroel | I have a very specific problem with LDAP or OpenLDAP, i don't know. |
| 21:03.12 | rpaulson | abrotman: ok, backup made |
| 21:03.17 | greycat | (make sure sudo doesn't prompt for your password when it runs) |
| 21:03.39 | valdyn | wamty: man at |
| 21:03.42 | greycat | sudo sh -c 'sleep; apt-get' might work out better |
| 21:03.54 | valdyn | wamty: echo dosomething | at 16:00 |
| 21:03.57 | BenBE | Serious problem: Start a maschine with Xen. Connect to an DomU of it by SSH, start screen, start mc. Resize the SSH-Windows doing a resize. (Tested with PuTTY on Windows as SSH client). Impact: MC freezes fillung up the memory. If the allowed VM size is reached the VM crashes (and seems so as if) the Xen Dom0 reboots. |
| 21:04.04 | BenBE | Can anyone confirm this behaviour? |
| 21:04.05 | Optic | valdyn: thanks for the discussion, I will experiment some more |
| 21:04.08 | Optic | this was helpful |
| 21:04.09 | rpaulson | abrotman: can I edit the file with vim or do I need a hex editor? |
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| 21:04.30 | wamty | 3600 = 1hr? |
| 21:04.45 | TheAvatar | I guess it is worth to try sometime, as most things can run even tho you remove them, so I cant really see why dd wouldn't either |
| 21:04.47 | greycat | Ever passed third grade? |
| 21:04.59 | gimbli | 60*60? :) |
| 21:05.09 | valdyn | millions |
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| 21:07.28 | abrotman | rpaulson: it's a text file |
| 21:07.52 | rpaulson | abrotman: haha, I see it now |
| 21:08.10 | rpaulson | abrotman: it just seemed like a bin of some sort when I opened it in vim |
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| 21:08.57 | rpaulson | abrotman: yes! thank you! :) |
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| 21:10.29 | abrotman | rpaulson: working the way you want now ? |
| 21:10.57 | rpaulson | abrotman: yes, just needed a true=>false edit |
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| 21:12.43 | Villarroel | I need some help, from a LDAP expert. |
| 21:13.20 | greycat | good thing you asked #ldap then |
| 21:13.33 | ranix | if I set a user's shell to be a script, and the user is denied login from any other method - smb, ftp, etc., there is no way to alter the contents of that script easily via a method like rsync or scp, right? |
| 21:13.55 | Villarroel | greycat: I'm having no luck there. |
| 21:14.02 | ranix | This isn't an inherently insecure thing to do, yes? |
| 21:14.06 | valdyn | ranix: can users alter bash easily? |
| 21:14.09 | greycat | ranix: simplest thing to do would be to put the script in /usr/local/bin (or equivalent), owned by root. |
| 21:14.26 | greycat | ranix: then, even if they do get a shell, they can't edit the script... |
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| 21:16.16 | babilen | !tell Villarroel -about ask |
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| 21:17.00 | Villarroel | Q: How can I make that editing an alias entry modify the referenced entry not the alias itself, I'm using ldapmodify. |
| 21:17.00 | Villarroel | I'm looking for transparent transition from one tree structure to another. |
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| 21:17.24 | Villarroel | I just didn't want to off-topic. |
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| 21:18.01 | babilen | Villarroel: I guess the question is really better suited for #ldap. Just be patient, someone will answer eventually. |
| 21:18.14 | Villarroel | babilen: thanks. |
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| 21:22.12 | BenBE | Has someone here a system with Xen on it installed and could test something? |
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| 21:27.02 | scrieler | can't install php5-dev on PHP Version 5.2.8-0.dotdeb.1, can anybody help me? |
| 21:27.02 | nima0102 | I have install one package by dpkg -i , and now I want to remove that by dpkg -r, but I have got error : "Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal." |
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| 21:27.41 | remote | hi |
| 21:27.46 | scrieler | hi |
| 21:27.46 | greycat | scrieler: the question makes no sense. You mean "I can't install it on my Debian lenny box"? |
| 21:27.54 | scrieler | jo, sry |
| 21:28.00 | greycat | you don't install php5-dev "on" PHP |
| 21:28.03 | remote | what's the difference between ia64 and amd64 debian versions? |
| 21:28.04 | hark | nima0102: did you try reinstalling? |
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| 21:28.18 | greycat | ia64 is Itanium. amd64 is K8, Intel Core2, etc. |
| 21:28.23 | remote | i installed amd64 on an intel workstation and I'm having some programs segfault |
| 21:28.31 | nima0102 | hark, no. |
| 21:28.45 | hark | nima0102: what package is it? flash? |
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| 21:29.04 | remote | so greycat I was told yesterday the difference was just the architecture name, my real question is can I use this installation or am I better off re-installing with proper architecture? |
| 21:29.05 | nima0102 | hark, yep ;) |
| 21:29.28 | greycat | ia64 and amd64 are incompatible |
| 21:29.34 | remote | but it works |
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| 21:29.47 | remote | everything works except one program |
| 21:29.49 | greycat | remote: what CPU is in your box? |
| 21:29.53 | remote | let me check |
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| 21:30.05 | hark | nima0102: see if reinstalling works, otherwise try with the --force-remove-reinstreq dpkg option |
| 21:30.54 | nima0102 | hark, installing encounters with error so I could not install that correctly:( |
| 21:31.00 | remote | Intel GMA 3100 ? |
| 21:31.24 | remote | ah 2.2GHz Intel Pentium Dual-Core E2200 ... |
| 21:31.34 | remote | perhaps it's ia32 |
| 21:31.35 | remote | ? |
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| 21:31.50 | valdyn | remote: it is amd64 |
| 21:31.53 | hark | remote: i386 or amd64 |
| 21:31.54 | nima0102 | hark, "--force-remove-reinstreq" could not solve this problem !!! |
| 21:32.10 | remote | valdyn: dual-core E2200 is amd64 ?! |
| 21:32.11 | hark | nima0102: pastebin your error |
| 21:33.16 | valdyn | remote: its not a "Pentium Dual-Core", its a "Core Duo" or "Core 2 Duo" |
| 21:33.40 | remote | it's not a core 2 duo it doesn't have virtualization |
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| 21:34.07 | remote | it's not the same |
| 21:34.48 | woshty_ | remote: so which program does segfault? |
| 21:34.50 | remote | i just installed debian for amd64 on it am wondering which architecture i should use |
| 21:35.00 | greycat | Google isn't being very helpful when I ask it whether the E2200 is amd64 or i386. Stupid Google. |
| 21:35.06 | valdyn | remote: its ok, the wrong arch would not work at all |
| 21:35.12 | remote | yeah me neither |
| 21:35.19 | hark | remote: either i386 or amd64 will work |
| 21:35.26 | remote | amd64 works |
| 21:35.36 | remote | it's installed on it |
| 21:35.37 | valdyn | remote: and you were right, this one is really called "pentium dual-core" |
| 21:35.38 | greycat | OK, then I guess that means it's amd64 compatible. |
| 21:35.48 | remote | valdyn: yeah i know because of virtualization |
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| 21:36.37 | remote | but I've installed a different architecture on it before |
| 21:36.45 | remote | ubuntu it was and not for amd64 |
| 21:36.48 | remote | i386 |
| 21:36.49 | greycat | amd64 boxes can also run i386 |
| 21:36.53 | valdyn | remote: both work |
| 21:36.54 | nima0102 | hark, have you got those errors?? |
| 21:36.54 | remote | ah ha |
| 21:36.59 | greycat | but not all i386 boxes can run amd64 |
| 21:37.00 | valdyn | remote: both are correct |
| 21:37.09 | greycat | however, ia64 is Right Out. |
| 21:37.14 | remote | say I install i386, will I be missing some performance? |
| 21:37.24 | remote | not sure how to say it |
| 21:37.28 | valdyn | remote: i386 is probably better than amd64 for you, but that doesnt mean that amd64 would be unstable or segfault |
| 21:37.29 | remote | you probably understand |
| 21:37.46 | valdyn | remote: no, you wont be missing performance |
| 21:37.50 | remote | ok i'll just get an i386 debian release and push it on that workstation |
| 21:37.51 | greycat | !why amd64 |
| 21:37.51 | dpkg | The Debian architecture that runs on 64-bit processors from AMD and Intel is called "amd64" because the architecture was first developed by AMD. AMD64 is variously known as x86-64, x64, IA-32e, EM64T, EMT64 and Intel 64 (most of which are the Intel marketing people changing their mind). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64. |
| 21:37.59 | remote | great! thanks for your time friends |
| 21:38.11 | remote | that's great i'll read this |
| 21:38.20 | greycat | There's not much "why" in that answer. |
| 21:38.49 | greycat | I guess that factoid meant "why's it CALLED amd64", not "why would I install amd64 instead of i386". |
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| 21:39.33 | hark | why is it called amd64 eventhough i have an intel cpu |
| 21:39.38 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 21:39.38 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 Debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel on OFTC and freenode. See also <why amd64>. |
| 21:39.39 | remote | so i386 for 64bits won't make me miss any performance? |
| 21:39.59 | remote | ah that answers my question |
| 21:40.01 | valdyn | remote: i386 isnt for 64bits |
| 21:40.10 | hark | nima0102: there's a workaround for that. moment |
| 21:40.25 | remote | i'm confused with the google information, i just readed E2200 dual-core is 64 bits |
| 21:40.28 | FredWP | remote, the difference in 32-bit to 64-bit is the size of memory it can process. |
| 21:40.36 | valdyn | remote: its both |
| 21:40.39 | woshty_ | address more ram vs use more ram |
| 21:40.41 | FredWP | E2200 supports 64-bit architectures. |
| 21:40.50 | remote | so should I use it? |
| 21:40.54 | greycat | I couldn't get a straight answer about the E2200 from Googling for about 5 minutes. But if you say amd64 booted and ran on it, I'll take that as evidence. |
| 21:40.55 | valdyn | remote: its a cpu that supports 2 complete instruction sets, one is 32-bit , one is 64-bit |
| 21:41.06 | FredWP | If you have a 64-bit system go ahead. |
| 21:41.12 | remote | my question comes from the fact I believe 64bits improves the performance over 32bits but does it? |
| 21:41.16 | valdyn | remote: 64 is 2 x 32, but its not "better" per se |
| 21:41.18 | FredWP | It's 32-bit backwards compatible. |
| 21:41.29 | greycat | As you can see, nobody here knows. |
| 21:41.34 | greycat | Not even the bots. |
| 21:41.34 | remote | :) |
| 21:41.39 | FredWP | We just answered. :) |
| 21:41.47 | valdyn | remote: it does not make things run faster |
| 21:41.55 | FredWP | Exactly. |
| 21:42.01 | Gm4n | remote: in some cases, 64bit can be faster (machine instructions that deal with twice the data). In other cases, it can make no difference. |
| 21:42.05 | FredWP | It just indicates the size of memory it can process in one go |
| 21:42.06 | remote | i understand it's backward compatible but when does 64bits becomes useful if not just for overall system performance? |
| 21:42.18 | remote | ok |
| 21:42.20 | FredWP | In regular desktop applications, it doesn't yet. |
| 21:42.21 | greycat | Except that amd64 does NOT actually let you address 2^64 bytes of memory. |
| 21:42.21 | valdyn | remote: its for using more memory |
| 21:42.23 | greycat | Not even close. |
| 21:42.28 | FredWP | I don't understand why they wanted to jump on the 64-bit boat that fast. |
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| 21:42.36 | remote | that explains a bit why for instance my emachines amd64 laptop was shipped with a 32bits version of windows |
| 21:42.42 | FredWP | Desktop users will hardly require more than 4 GB anyway. |
| 21:42.46 | valdyn | remote: you *already* *have* *128* bit instructions |
| 21:42.52 | FredWP | remote, no. |
| 21:42.59 | valdyn | remote: *those* are for speed |
| 21:43.08 | FredWP | Manufacturers just couldn't be bothered to pick up that fast on it. |
| 21:43.21 | remote | that's what i thought |
| 21:43.36 | slope | remote: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=616&num=1 an old benchmark for ubuntu, but it might tell you something anyway |
| 21:44.11 | FredWP | If you use GNU/Linux, I don't think you'll ever exceed 4 GB, unless you do something special non-home user like. ;p |
| 21:44.29 | FredWP | Servers probably, but don't think 64-bit is that common in GNU/Linux servers, right? |
| 21:44.33 | remote | at least I won't use more than 4GB for sure |
| 21:44.39 | FredWP | Prefered. |
| 21:44.48 | FredWP | On Windows it's going bad. |
| 21:45.02 | FredWP | Apps are so bloated, mentality of "people have enough ram, bloat some more" is why 64-bit is here. |
| 21:45.19 | FredWP | Businesses rush applications, no optimization. |
| 21:45.28 | remote | agreed |
| 21:45.32 | FredWP | = demand for faster, and more. |
| 21:45.50 | FredWP | GNU/Linux was created with a passion. ;p |
| 21:45.57 | FredWP | No rushing, no deadlines. |
| 21:46.19 | FredWP | It amazed me to see Blender vs. 3dsmax or something in size. |
| 21:46.34 | FredWP | I believe Blender was something like 5 to 10 MB to download. |
| 21:46.35 | greycat | Best Buy sells machines with 8 GB of RAM in them. For $500. |
| 21:46.39 | FredWP | And 3dsmax is pretty big. |
| 21:46.39 | greycat | Or they did two months ago. |
| 21:47.01 | FredWP | That's the good thing with GNU/Linux, you don't require overkill hardware. ^^ |
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| 21:47.21 | greycat | !pae |
| 21:47.21 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
| 21:47.25 | remote | for a dual-core CPU, i don't need an SMP kernel right' |
| 21:47.26 | remote | ? |
| 21:47.41 | greycat | remote: you want the SMP kernel support, yes. |
| 21:47.56 | greycat | remote: I believe all the standard -686 and -amd64 Debian kernels have SMP in them. |
| 21:48.05 | babilen | greycat: true |
| 21:48.06 | remote | I read here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ia64/ch02s01.html.en#id2835455 it's not supported by amd64 |
| 21:48.11 | remote | sorry! ia64 |
| 21:48.14 | greycat | ia64 IS NOT amd64 |
| 21:48.24 | valdyn | remote: all but the -486 kernel are smp |
| 21:48.35 | remote | ok |
| 21:49.11 | remote | so if i want smp off the bat i can't go with ia64 |
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| 21:49.36 | greycat | I don't understand why the amd64 architecture is limited to 64 GB of RAM. That seems abysmally short-sighted. |
| 21:49.46 | valdyn | greycat: it isnt |
| 21:49.58 | valdyn | greycat: the available hardware is |
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| 21:50.17 | greycat | hmm, subtle. not sure what that even means. |
| 21:50.20 | hark | nima0102: http://paste.debian.net/51766/ |
| 21:51.14 | slope | Is there a game that's a bit like Tetris but you're supposed to group "blocks" with the same color and when 4 of them meet they disappear? |
| 21:51.15 | valdyn | greycat: theres only 48 bit for physical adresses |
| 21:51.31 | Gm4n | how can I record (then reconstruct) a http file download? I'm thinking tcpdump, but I want to be able to recreate the actual file. |
| 21:51.36 | benedikt | what would the audio device be on Squeeze? lingot says Unable to open audio device /dev/dsp: No such file or directory |
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| 21:51.51 | greycat | valdyn: so 256 GB, then? |
| 21:51.59 | Justin | Gm4n: tcpick |
| 21:52.07 | valdyn | greycat: uh? did I remember wrong and its only 46? |
| 21:52.19 | hark | benedikt: that's oss, modprobe snd-pcm-oss or install oss-compat. you can also use aoss for those apps |
| 21:52.47 | Gm4n | aha, thanks Justin! Time to RTFM :P |
| 21:52.47 | valdyn | greycat: heh, its 36 bits |
| 21:53.09 | benedikt | hark: you mean that lingot would only work with oss and thus i mut change to oss? |
| 21:53.10 | valdyn | greycat: reading |
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| 21:53.47 | nima0102 | hark, There is no same path "/var/lib/dpkg/info/flashplugin-installer.prerm" on my system :( |
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| 21:54.08 | hark | benedikt: i don't know about lingot. if it wants /dev/dsp, that's how you get it |
| 21:54.42 | hark | nima0102: from where did you install flash? |
| 21:54.46 | benedikt | modprobe snd-pcm-oss - would this switch me completly to oss? |
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| 21:54.56 | valdyn | greycat: ok, wikipedia sais that current hardware goes to 1TB physically ( 40 bit wide adresses ), and theres no arch limit before 64-bit |
| 21:55.04 | nima0102 | hark, adobe.com |
| 21:55.18 | greycat | valdyn: hmm... |
| 21:55.32 | benedikt | nima0102: if you want flash. enable the non-free repo and do aptitude install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:55.34 | nima0102 | hark, Is there any way that I remove manually related files??? |
| 21:56.02 | valdyn | greycat: ah, wrong again, 40 bit now ( 2^40 * 4 byte ) and 4PB ( 2^52 * 4 byte ) arch limit |
| 21:56.17 | hark | nima0102: try /var/lib/dpkg/info/adobe-flashplugin.prerm instead |
| 21:56.37 | valdyn | good for 20 years, maybe |
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| 21:58.02 | nima0102 | hark,Do you program that patch ?? |
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| 22:00.50 | Gm4n | Justin: so would proper usage be tcpick -r <mycap> -wRS? |
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| 22:02.55 | nima0102 | hark, the patch is rejected ! |
| 22:03.10 | hark | nima0102: try commenting out VARIANTS in the prerm and then do the removal |
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| 22:03.28 | hark | nima0102: that patch would not work |
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| 22:03.36 | tumppu | how to remove all kde and gnome packages? |
| 22:03.54 | hark | nima0102: see http://blog.ixti.ru/archives/6/comment-page-1 |
| 22:04.21 | prince_jammys | tumppu: ask dpkg about ''remove kde'' and ''remove gnome'' |
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| 22:04.41 | adnc | hello, i've a pair of logitech usb loudspeakers (z-5) and they get suddenly disconnected and reconnected again, has someone had this behaviour before and knows a workaround or could point me to some documentations? |
| 22:04.50 | EagleRock | dpkg help |
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| 22:05.28 | nima0102 | hark,that removed, but I have not still flash player!! |
| 22:05.58 | hark | !tell nima0102 about adobe flash |
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| 22:08.53 | nima0102 | hark,thanks, but I have install flashplugin-nonfree again but I have not still flashplaeyr. |
| 22:09.24 | hark | nima0102: what does readlink /etc/alternatives/flash-mozilla.so say? |
| 22:10.26 | nima0102 | hark,that file is on that path . |
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| 22:11.08 | benedikt | nima0102: flashplugin-nonfree is probably just the plugin |
| 22:11.16 | benedikt | wich is the player for iceweasel |
| 22:11.29 | hark | nima0102: which version of debian? |
| 22:11.43 | nima0102 | hark,squeeze. |
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| 22:16.19 | slope | Any tips on whether to use snes9x or zsnes on Debian Squeeze? |
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| 22:16.53 | slope | Oops, accidentally pressed enter. I was going to ask if either has any problems or if it's just a matter of taste? And I'm on 64bit. |
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| 22:17.34 | EagleRock | slope: I don't see zsnes listed in the repos, so I'm going to assume snes9x is the easier install |
| 22:17.56 | EagleRock | but I'd imagine either one would world if compiled, so use what you'd like |
| 22:18.34 | slope | EagleRock: oh, tab autocompletion showed me zsnes but apparently it's "not a real package" |
| 22:19.05 | EagleRock | slope: I see it listed in the repos for squeeze, but only for i386 architecture |
| 22:19.25 | EagleRock | so if you're on i386, take your pick |
| 22:20.05 | PARLIAMENT | I have zsnes from repos on sid i686 |
| 22:20.14 | slope | I'm on amd64 so I guess I don't even have a choice :) thanks for the help |
| 22:20.20 | PARLIAMENT | it's better than snes9x so use it if possible |
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| 22:21.56 | EagleRock | I prefer snes9x anyway :-) |
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| 22:23.38 | tumppu | wxit |
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| 22:26.16 | tumppu | need some help to fix lenny server, i need totally remove all window managers/reinstall gnome |
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| 22:27.22 | bioe007 | is there an easy way to install xorg without installing every video driver? |
| 22:27.32 | Janhouse_ | how can I see where apt-get installed package files |
| 22:27.36 | Janhouse_ | and what files it installed |
| 22:27.42 | Janhouse_ | like for speciffic package |
| 22:27.45 | Janhouse_ | I have no gui |
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| 22:28.05 | tumppu | try aptitude |
| 22:28.10 | hark | Janhouse_: dpkg -L foo |
| 22:28.20 | ranix | bioe007: apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 22:28.25 | hark | bioe007: install the video driver you want before |
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| 22:28.42 | Janhouse_ | thx |
| 22:28.45 | ranix | bioe007: that should grab everything that the ati driver needs, see how it goes |
| 22:28.54 | ranix | bioe007: you want to avoid getting the 'xorg' metapackage |
| 22:29.17 | hark | no you want to get the xorg metapackage |
| 22:29.36 | ranix | the xorg metapackage has all the xserver-xorgs as dependencies |
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| 22:30.23 | ranix | actually, xorg depends on xserver-xorg which depends on xserver-xorg-video-all |
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| 22:30.39 | ranix | bioe007: so apt-cache show xorg, and get everything except xserver-xorg |
| 22:31.01 | ranix | bioe007: then apt-cache show xserver-xorg and get only what you want from it |
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| 22:32.17 | hark | why not just install xorg? |
| 22:32.39 | bioe007 | im annoyed that i have to install every video driver ? |
| 22:32.57 | ranix | because xorg depends on xserver-xorg which depends on xserver-xorg-video-all which he specifically doesn't want, hark |
| 22:33.02 | ranix | I know it's hard, but try to keep up |
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| 22:33.13 | ranix | we are all soldiers on the march against ignorance |
| 22:33.33 | EagleRock | well, gotta go |
| 22:33.33 | abrotman | bioe007: please just install 'xorg' .. it's the recommended way, and eases a lot of frustration |
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| 22:33.43 | hark | ranix: it depends on xserver-xorg-video-all | <xserver-xorg-input-> |
| 22:33.51 | mesaGL | ranix: can i sit in the officers' car, instead of marching ? |
| 22:33.53 | bioe007 | abrotman: fair enough |
| 22:34.09 | bioe007 | iirc my initial question was 'is there an easy way' |
| 22:34.13 | hark | ranix: installing the video driver beforehand will be sufficient for the dependency |
| 22:34.15 | abrotman | bioe007: we have quite a number of people come in here with various X problems simply solved by 'aptitude install xorg' |
| 22:34.17 | jhutchins_lt | I know there are distros that don't install all of the drivers, just the ones for detected hardware if you're using the installer. |
| 22:34.17 | bioe007 | sounds like there is not ? :) |
| 22:34.29 | abrotman | bioe007: and most of those packages are pretty small |
| 22:34.37 | abrotman | judd: info xserver-xorg-video-intel --release lenny |
| 22:34.37 | ranix | hark: no, it depends on xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-2 |
| 22:34.37 | judd | abrotman: xserver-xorg-video-intel (x11): is optional; Version: 2:2.3.2-2+lenny6; Size: 388.7k; Installed: 716k -- X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver |
| 22:34.43 | ranix | hark: input is different from video |
| 22:34.44 | bioe007 | well i'm playing wiht debian in a virtualbox machine |
| 22:34.54 | bioe007 | so i was trying to be cheap |
| 22:34.57 | bioe007 | i can conform |
| 22:35.29 | jhutchins_lt | "Install every available package" is an inelegant solution. |
| 22:35.30 | hark | ranix: either way, it's the same thing. i typed that on memory |
| 22:35.41 | jhutchins_lt | Kinda like "enable every possible wacom device". |
| 22:37.41 | hark | ranix: if you install a driver, the xserver-xorg-video-2 dependency is fulfilled and the rest of the video drivers will not be pulled in |
| 22:37.55 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: you mean kind of like when the kernel team enables all modules? |
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| 22:42.38 | bioe007 | \o/ dwm is started... |
| 22:43.00 | ranix | hark: ah, that is interesting |
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| 22:49.08 | hark | did we ever cross 1000 people here? |
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| 22:50.14 | oh_noes | is there anything that correctly handles sending a process into a background forked environment to keep running? |
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| 22:50.31 | oh_noes | if I "/foo/bar &" it sends it into the background, but if I kill my bash or ssh the pid died |
| 22:50.53 | themill | disown might be what you're looking for |
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| 22:51.26 | abrotman | nohup? |
| 22:52.08 | bioe007 | dtach? or screen |
| 22:52.17 | oh_noes | well yeah, /foo/bar & && nohup is kinda standard |
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| 22:52.25 | oh_noes | but I wasnt sure if soemthign existing that handled it all for me |
| 22:52.34 | oh_noes | /bin/something /foo/bar |
| 22:52.44 | oh_noes | hey .. invoke-rc.d exists and thats super trivial :D |
| 22:53.11 | Mallxs_ | Hi folks, is it just me or... apache2 child process sig fault on a simple page request ... first it would hang my server but after a update the server is more stable |
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| 22:53.36 | bioe007 | oh_noes: you can run nohup like that, `which nohup` /foo/bar iirc |
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| 22:54.22 | oblio_ | where does apt keep config info for packages pending install? |
| 22:54.44 | oblio_ | i have some packages with broken config settings and i cant reconfigure the settings |
| 22:55.12 | Mallxs_ | nohup` /foo/bar & |
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| 22:55.50 | abrotman | oblio_: how did you break them ? |
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| 22:56.55 | oblio_ | abrotman: i just entered a list of unix groups which was invalid syntax |
| 22:57.04 | oblio_ | abrotman: i've tried removing them, running clean, et cetera |
| 22:57.10 | oblio_ | but when i reinstall them it still picks up the bad config option |
| 22:57.11 | abrotman | /var/cache/debconf/ |
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| 22:57.18 | abrotman | make a backup first |
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| 22:59.57 | oblio_ | abrotman: thank you sir |
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| 23:00.05 | oblio_ | abrotman: very straight forward, i just needed to know that path |
| 23:00.24 | oblio_ | abrotman: do you know why dpkg-reconfigure wouldn't have let me re-enter the values? |
| 23:00.41 | abrotman | probably because it wasn't done configuring your wrong values first |
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| 23:01.56 | jhutchins_lt | oh_noes: nohup /bin/foo/bar |
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| 23:02.08 | jhutchins_lt | I just use screen though. |
| 23:02.13 | slope | I just plugged in a usb gamepad and I need to find it's location to select it in snes9x. I did this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Joystick_lshal_outputs_done hoping it'll work on Squeeze as well, and I did "lshal" to try and figure out the location but that gave me a really long list. Can someone tell me how to do it? |
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| 23:02.32 | jhutchins_lt | Mallxs_: I see you beat me to that. |
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| 23:03.57 | jhutchins_lt | slope: What about lsusb? |
| 23:04.02 | abrotman | slope: which version of Debian ? |
| 23:04.09 | abrotman | nevermind |
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| 23:05.22 | abrotman | slope: where do you see about needing the location |
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| 23:06.41 | S1kx | whats the usual root directory for vhosts? /var/www? |
| 23:06.54 | abrotman | S1kx: it's a vhost .. wherever you'd like |
| 23:07.03 | S1kx | yeah i know but im asking for what's usual :( |
| 23:07.15 | Psi-Jack | Okay, here's an interesting one. There's irc proxies, like irssi-proxy that can allow multiple clients to share a single connection. What about for services such as yahoo and msn that, themselves, do not support multiple logins but I want to have those logins shared so I don't have to logout in one and login from another location. |
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| 23:07.42 | Psi-Jack | Anyone know of any proxies that'll do that? ;) |
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| 23:08.46 | slope | abrotman: in man for snes9x it says "Supply device for joypad number 1" I tried "snes9x -joydev1 /dev/usb/hiddev0 game.smc" but that didn't help, still only keyboard. |
| 23:08.55 | oblio_ | thoughts on qt not reading/saving its config for default fonts? |
| 23:09.01 | oblio_ | after blowing away Trolltech.conf |
| 23:09.18 | remote | how can I create a persistent wireless network configuration on my system? |
| 23:09.31 | slope | jhutchins_lt: that gives me a small list but I'm not sure what to do with the list. |
| 23:09.36 | abrotman | slope: IIRC lshw can take a parameter to only look at a certain area |
| 23:10.02 | amgarchIn9 | is there by any chance a way to hibernate a process to disk to resume at a later point? Just asking. |
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| 23:10.38 | slope | I think this is the gamepad: Bus 007 Device 002: ID 046d:c242 Logitech, Inc. |
| 23:11.18 | bioe007 | what is the proper package to get vim ? not gvim, but just fully featured cli vim? |
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| 23:11.29 | bioe007 | and is there a better way to find this out than google/irc ? |
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| 23:12.26 | tlarson | what's the apt-get command to dump/load your package selections? |
| 23:13.09 | ascii158 | dpkg --get-selections |
| 23:13.09 | dpkg | ascii158: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:13.34 | tlarson | ascii158: thank... i knew it was something like that... |
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| 23:13.42 | ascii158 | :-) |
| 23:13.47 | ascii158 | the poor bot :-) |
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| 23:16.27 | hark | bioe007: vim |
| 23:16.41 | bioe007 | hark: thats just tooo simple.. ty |
| 23:17.20 | Mallxs_ | if i try to run apache2 -X it says apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER} |
| 23:17.53 | Mallxs_ | so i set apache2: APACHE_RUN_USER to www-data but its thats bad too |
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| 23:18.08 | Psi-Jack | Mallxs_: Yeaah, it's because of how Debian setup the httpd.conf stuff. |
| 23:18.12 | _Trinity_ | hi everyone |
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| 23:18.24 | slope | jhutchins_lt: abrotman: I found it in /dev/input/by-id/ a link with a very obvious name there. Now I just need to configure the buttons correctly :) Thanks for helping. |
| 23:18.28 | re_ | does anyone know how to disable the sudo warning message the first time a user runs sudo? The one that goes "We trust you have received the usual lecture from the local System...."? |
| 23:18.31 | Psi-Jack | Mallxs_: For most things, you should be able to use apachectl instead. |
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| 23:19.25 | EasyTUX | lol : export APACHE_RUN_USER="the bad apache user" |
| 23:19.34 | re_ | anyone? |
| 23:19.43 | amgarchIn9 | ascii158: maybe you can tell a way to get the packages that were not installed automatically to satisfy dependencies? When I type tasksel --list I get some "virtual" selections. Would be usefull to get the incremental info like server+gcc+make |
| 23:20.07 | themill | amgarchIn9: /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 23:20.53 | bioe007 | is /etc/init.d/foo stop the proper way to go about stopping services on debian? |
| 23:21.13 | bioe007 | i mean just for atm, i know about the S* -> K* renaming in rcN.d |
| 23:21.24 | themill | bioe007: "invoke-rc.d foo stop" is even better, but that's usually fine. |
| 23:21.56 | EasyTUX | re_: You're right this message sux, let me search nearby /usr/share or /etc or /var/lib or ... |
| 23:21.56 | Mallxs_ | Psi-Jack: thx i did it now with apach2ctl -X but the error report is not re failing new info : /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 83: 8753 Segmentation fault |
| 23:22.01 | bioe007 | themill: ty |
| 23:22.08 | _Trinity_ | Can someone highlight me, please? |
| 23:22.13 | bioe007 | _Trinity_: |
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| 23:22.20 | _Trinity_ | thanks |
| 23:22.33 | themill | Mallxs_: have you tried reinstalling all your apache-related packages? They shouldn't be segfaulting. |
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| 23:23.13 | daryl | hi, I am wondering if it's possible to start bash in a certain directory |
| 23:23.40 | EasyTUX | re_: did you try strace it ? |
| 23:24.00 | daryl | at the moment I have a simple bash script "cd foo; bash" which I can run with bash <script> |
| 23:24.13 | themill | re_: man 5 sudoers |
| 23:24.21 | daryl | but that creates a bash to run the script, and the bash from the script, which seems a little pointless |
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| 23:24.26 | re_ | EasyTUX: nope, I just found it though. See man sudoers and search for lecture |
| 23:24.32 | Mallxs_ | themill is that just apt-get purge ... and then apt-get install ??? |
| 23:25.34 | themill | Mallxs_: "aptitude reinstall ~napache~i" |
| 23:26.15 | iskra | hey... i did the lenny netinstall for my apache server and i also selected "mail server" under tasksel... now i have some cronjobs and it is sending output to local email. is this defined in the tasksel's setting up of mail server? what exactly does the "mail server" option install? |
| 23:26.43 | amgarchIn9 | themill: thanks, I will have to chew that syntax first for some time |
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| 23:28.07 | \amethyst | iskra: tasksel --task-packages mail-server will show you the packages |
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| 23:29.24 | \amethyst | iskra: cron emails the output of cronjobs to the job's owner by default, but that doesn't work if there's no MTA (which is why cron recommends a mail-transport-agent |
| 23:29.34 | amgarchIn9 | re_: check the differences in home directory contents before and after the first run of sudo |
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| 23:30.36 | EasyTUX | re_: it's built in elf prog /usr/bin/sudo hexedit it then put another shit you like as a replacement (I mean exact replacement : same size!) |
| 23:30.52 | themill | EasyTUX: wtf? |
| 23:31.08 | re_ | I'll second that wtf lol |
| 23:31.13 | \amethyst | EasyTUX: or set lecture_file |
| 23:31.15 | amgarchIn9 | I have ~/.sudo_as_admin_successful in my home |
| 23:31.22 | Ori_B | hi. |
| 23:31.24 | EasyTUX | re_: Or even search for an option and create an alias... |
| 23:31.30 | Ori_B | I asked a few days ago, but I didn't get an answer |
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| 23:32.11 | Ori_B | it seems that insserv doesn't like the current debian bootscripts, and complains about a loop |
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| 23:32.22 | Ori_B | insserv: There is a loop between service mdadm and mountall if started |
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| 23:32.38 | EasyTUX | amgarchIn9: You don't have "We trust you have received the usual lec..." sudo prompt ? |
| 23:32.40 | Ori_B | it mentions a number of other scripts - is this a known issue? how should I fix it? |
| 23:33.20 | amgarchIn9 | EasyTUX: that file is for something different, if I remove it i am not warned again on next sudo ... |
| 23:33.39 | simonrvn | Ori_B: yes it is. see the bts. |
| 23:33.42 | simonrvn | !bts |
| 23:33.42 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 23:34.45 | Ori_B | simonrvn: 554905? |
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| 23:35.41 | tmcc | hi |
| 23:36.16 | tmcc | is domone her who use letux400? |
| 23:36.30 | iskra | amethyst: thx |
| 23:37.04 | Ori_B | simonrvn: ok, well, that seems to have solved it :) |
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| 23:39.11 | amgarchIn9 | EasyTUX: "lecture none" in "man 5 sudoers" as told by themill |
| 23:39.28 | amgarchIn9 | *never not none |
| 23:39.39 | EasyTUX | amgarchIn9: Thanks for re_: ;) |
| 23:39.47 | simonrvn | Ori_B: have fun |
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| 23:40.28 | simonrvn | Ori_B: next time, check the bts first ;) |
| 23:41.06 | EasyTUX | amgarchIn9: re_: Or lecture_file ... |
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| 23:42.50 | EasyTUX | amgarchIn9: re_: Instead of built-in ... be aware ! Great Power means Great dumbass... |
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| 23:43.10 | EasyTUX | :P |
| 23:43.17 | EasyTUX | Just kidding... |
| 23:43.23 | simonrvn | or you could use the insult one |
| 23:44.18 | simonrvn | Defaults:ALL insults |
| 23:44.22 | simonrvn | *grin* |
| 23:44.55 | iskra | for the default mail server setup in lenny (includes procmail, exim4, mailagent, etc...) what controls what email addresses are used? exim4? |
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| 23:45.36 | Psi-Jack | iskra: /etc/passwd |
| 23:45.40 | EasyTUX | Yea, so they don't do it again : You're not in the sudoers list : "this will be repported". How may I Change this to Get out of here ! |
| 23:45.55 | Psi-Jack | iskra: And /etc/exim4/* |
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| 23:47.42 | enyawix | anyone having issue with stuttering / skipping music? |
| 23:47.53 | iskra | Psi-jack: is there a specific file in /etc/exim4/? |
| 23:48.35 | Psi-Jack | iskra: Maybe you should look up exim's website and start reading manuals. |
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| 23:49.29 | Titan8990 | iskra, I just got here but I can tell you that configuring exim is not a trivial task |
| 23:49.45 | bioe007 | so is there not urxvt-256 in debian? or is my syntax fail? aptitude search .rxvt.* ? |
| 23:49.45 | Psi-Jack | No, no it's not a trivial task. |
| 23:49.56 | enyawix | i think i found it |
| 23:50.00 | Titan8990 | especially if you are learning about how SMTP works at the same time.... |
| 23:50.10 | iskra | ok... well I'm beating around the bush. what do i need to configure for the mail server? |
| 23:50.15 | enyawix | pulse causes poor sound quilty |
| 23:50.15 | iskra | procmail, exim4, ... |
| 23:50.19 | iskra | anything else? |
| 23:50.36 | Psi-Jack | iskra: How simple do you want to be able to manage everything for your mail server? |
| 23:50.45 | Psi-Jack | enyawix: Yep. Always. |
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| 23:52.24 | iskra | Psi-Jack: i dont know... =) I just am hosting my web site and file serving on my server... don't even need one cuz i can point my crontabs to gmail but I figure i mine as well learn it |
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| 23:59.48 | Psi-Jack | iskra: Oi. So basically, you don't know anything about linux, at all, huh? |