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| 00:00.53 | iskra | Psi-Jack: ouch =)... no I do. I know nothing about linux mail servers tho |
| 00:01.18 | Psi-Jack | iskra: So, you know nothing about Linux, then? |
| 00:01.57 | Psi-Jack | It's okay to be honest. |
| 00:02.06 | themill | wonders whether this is really helping |
| 00:02.10 | Titan8990 | iskra, you may want something like ssmtp which just relays email to another smtp server |
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| 00:02.32 | Psi-Jack | What I was going to suggest is something that'll just totally simplify everything. Virtualmin GPL |
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| 00:02.45 | Psi-Jack | Mail, Web, FTP, web-based management for everything, easy. |
| 00:02.46 | Titan8990 | iskra, bad configuration of an email server can get you in a lot of trouble |
| 00:03.06 | simonrvn | no fucking kidding |
| 00:03.10 | Titan8990 | Psi-Jack, i thought you were going to recommend zimbra |
| 00:03.21 | iskra | nah |
| 00:03.21 | Psi-Jack | Titan8990: Oh heck no. THAT's a pain in the arse. LOL |
| 00:03.26 | iskra | im trying to learn to do it |
| 00:03.26 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, you say that like its happened to you hehe |
| 00:03.34 | iskra | thanks for the recommend tho... |
| 00:03.39 | Psi-Jack | iskra: Then learn right, remove exim4 and install postfix. |
| 00:03.45 | Psi-Jack | At least! |
| 00:03.53 | iskra | k |
| 00:04.03 | iskra | thats just what debian isntalled when i selected mail server |
| 00:04.05 | simonrvn | Titan8990: very very close |
| 00:04.16 | Psi-Jack | Yah, exim4 is default, but sucks in many ways IMHO. |
| 00:04.23 | simonrvn | Titan8990: i'd forgotten something in the config, and let a test fail |
| 00:04.24 | iskra | remove exim4, install postscript, and learn postscript |
| 00:04.25 | karme | all those postfix fanboys |
| 00:04.30 | Titan8990 | Psi-Jack, why is that? |
| 00:04.34 | iskra | postfix** |
| 00:04.50 | Psi-Jack | Titan8990: Well, for one, it doesn't even have snmp support, at all, and never will. |
| 00:04.52 | iskra | thats all i was asking, was what do i need to laern |
| 00:05.04 | simonrvn | Titan8990: luckily i had some leeway, an otherwise good config, and a helpful isp |
| 00:05.05 | Titan8990 | Psi-Jack, its highly configurable |
| 00:05.15 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, sendmail? |
| 00:05.26 | Psi-Jack | Highly configurable, yes. Highly scalable, yes. Highly supported? Not so much. |
| 00:05.29 | simonrvn | exim4. very custom. |
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| 00:06.17 | Titan8990 | well, I know postfix is more popular but I spent my time learning exim4 |
| 00:06.25 | Titan8990 | !start a mta war |
| 00:06.25 | dpkg | qmail is hard to configure! |
| 00:06.36 | Titan8990 | yes it is |
| 00:07.00 | Titan8990 | and doesn't support authenticated relay iirc |
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| 00:07.10 | Psi-Jack | qmail is a pain in the arse and not even all that great anyway. :p |
| 00:07.11 | iskra | if you were setting one up for a business waht would you use? |
| 00:07.19 | iskra | as in you gotta get paid |
| 00:07.25 | Psi-Jack | iskra: postfix, every time. |
| 00:07.37 | simonrvn | postfix.. well, there's something about it that annoys me. juexim is something i know. |
| 00:07.45 | simonrvn | s,ju,, |
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| 00:09.30 | Lycurgus | if I have two lenny's, 1 a fresh install another used, is there a prepared way to move all the deb packages that aren't on the new from the used? |
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| 00:10.10 | simonrvn | !debian clone |
| 00:10.10 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone><reinstall><things to backup> |
| 00:10.23 | Lycurgus | (i.e a way to "apt-sync" ... |
| 00:11.04 | Lycurgus | simonrvn, thanks! |
| 00:13.02 | Titan8990 | iskra, one thing that might be hard to figure out first time is you will need a PTR record for your IP and the MX record should point to a fqdn that has an A record |
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| 00:19.49 | Christoph_vW | is there a way to disable IDE? |
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| 00:20.45 | Christoph_vW | I have a notebook with a defective IDE controller and it delays boot with ata errors |
| 00:21.43 | Titan8990 | Christoph_vW, you could try blacklisting the module |
| 00:23.05 | abrotman | Christoph_vW: BIOS ? |
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| 00:23.38 | Christoph_vW | not possible in BIOS |
| 00:23.53 | Christoph_vW | Acer Travelmate notebook ... |
| 00:23.55 | abrotman | blowtorch ? |
| 00:24.06 | abrotman | Christoph_vW: if it's a module, blacklist it |
| 00:24.17 | abrotman | Christoph_vW: there are also some kernel parameters you may be able to use |
| 00:24.18 | Christoph_vW | have to figure out which one it is first |
| 00:24.48 | zErOaCid | hi, i tried to google on how to change the default port of pure-ftpd but i can't seem to find how. any ideas ? |
| 00:25.24 | jony123 | is there a program (command line only) to convert mp3 files to ogg files. |
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| 00:26.09 | abrotman | i'd guess jack or is there something like oggenc ? |
| 00:26.47 | nsadmin | maybe lame? |
| 00:27.06 | abrotman | lame isn't in debian .. and doesn't encode to ogg ? |
| 00:27.22 | nsadmin | well it's in dmm |
| 00:27.45 | nsadmin | and I forget whether it can do that; I've never used it for that |
| 00:27.50 | kermit | Christoph_vW: try ide_core.noprobe=1.0 |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | nsadmin: and it's an MP3 encoder |
| 00:28.09 | Christoph_vW | kermit: as kernel boot option? |
| 00:28.26 | nsadmin | iirc, you can do other things with it |
| 00:28.28 | kermit | Christoph_vW: yeah, just a guess |
| 00:28.49 | abrotman | jony123: see oggconvert |
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| 00:29.05 | abrotman | judd: info oggconvert --release lenny |
| 00:29.05 | judd | abrotman: oggconvert (sound): is optional; Version: 0.3.1-3; Size: 40.3k; Installed: 440k -- Convert media files to free formats |
| 00:29.23 | jony123 | its that command line. |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | its or is ? |
| 00:29.35 | jony123 | (this will be running on my remote server |
| 00:30.00 | abrotman | jony123: the description implies CLI |
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| 00:30.02 | kermit | Christoph_vW: you would need for of those i thing 0.0 0.1 1.0 1.1 .. try nodma too |
| 00:30.09 | abrotman | oh .. nope .. wrong |
| 00:30.11 | kermit | Christoph_vW: for/four |
| 00:30.15 | kermit | thing/think |
| 00:30.17 | nsadmin | yeah youre right, it doesn't do ogg |
| 00:30.21 | abrotman | i misread it |
| 00:30.29 | kermit | sox will encode to ogg .. sox in.mp3 out.ogg |
| 00:30.32 | abrotman | jony123: see if oggenc will do it .. |
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| 00:32.55 | jony123 | abrotman: oggenc wont take a .mp3 file and convert it to .ogg |
| 00:33.07 | jony123 | oggenc reads audio data in either raw, WAV, or AIFF format and encodes it into an Ogg Vorbis stream. |
| 00:33.28 | oh_noes | is it possible to initiate a hard disk pull in debian? the equivalent of yanking the disk? |
| 00:34.04 | abrotman | jony123: no, but you could convert it to something else .. but i think kermit's suggestion of trying sox is better .. |
| 00:34.30 | Christoph_vW | kermit: didn't seem to work |
| 00:34.52 | abrotman | are you sure it's the IDE controller ? |
| 00:35.20 | Christoph_vW | ata1: SRST failed |
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| 00:35.39 | Christoph_vW | ata1.00 failed to identify (i/o error) |
| 00:35.56 | tlarson | oh_noes: echo b > /proc/sysrq_trigger |
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| 00:36.21 | tlarson | oh_noes: not qute the same, but similar effect |
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| 00:38.34 | oh_noes | tlarson: ta, let me take a look at what that does |
| 00:38.49 | tlarson | oh_noes: it's about the same as hitting the power switch |
| 00:39.15 | tlarson | oh_noes: only in software. anything else is going to be graceful, which I think isn't what you're trying to simulate |
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| 00:40.07 | oh_noes | tlarson: oooh thanks, what does it do? A complete kernel lock or halt all writes? |
| 00:40.17 | oh_noes | I cant find a anything specially talking about |
| 00:40.32 | tlarson | oh_noes: no, it shuts down your computer. |
| 00:41.11 | tlarson | oh_noes: effectively the same thing from the hard disk's perspective, but with the added inconvenience of having to reboot. |
| 00:41.25 | tlarson | oh_noes: which of course you'd have to do anyway... |
| 00:42.05 | oh_noes | did you mean /proc/sysrq-trigger? |
| 00:42.18 | tlarson | oh_noes: oh, did I put an underscrore. sry. |
| 00:42.31 | oh_noes | tlarson: yeh it does sound like exactly what i want. hey, np. |
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| 00:43.06 | tlarson | look up "magic sysrq" for a list of all the things you can do. It comes in handy. |
| 00:43.39 | oh_noes | thanks sir. |
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| 00:48.03 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 00:49.35 | oh_noes | tlarson: hrmm interesting, when it comes back the OS is using high kernel/system CPU (90%) and everythig has ground to a halt |
| 00:49.38 | oh_noes | I wonder what it's doing |
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| 00:49.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | pondering |
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| 00:50.33 | tlarson | how do you know the CPU is 90% if everything has ground to a halt? |
| 00:50.40 | tlarson | that sounds like 0% |
| 00:50.58 | oh_noes | well, it's 10x slower. |
| 00:51.12 | oh_noes | just top takes 5 seconds before it shows %sys as 90% |
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| 00:52.55 | tlarson | "b" is supposed to do an immediate reboot. "o" is supposed to do a power-off. "s" syncs all your drives, "u" syncs and unmounts all your drives. If your system didn't go immediately black, then the sysrq thing didn't trigger. |
| 00:53.26 | oh_noes | It did trigger ... and reboot. Im just curious now why it was really slow when it came back |
| 00:53.31 | oh_noes | maybe it;s a ESX thing. |
| 00:53.51 | elik | What package allows auto mounting of usb drives and such? |
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| 00:54.24 | tlarson | Ah. You'll have to ask VMWare. |
| 00:54.47 | tlarson | elik: automount? udev? gnome? |
| 00:55.05 | mee | nominates ab for Tool of the Day |
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| 00:56.31 | elik | tlarson, gnome |
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| 00:57.18 | abrotman | gnome-vfs i believe |
| 00:57.36 | abrotman | gvfs ? |
| 00:58.01 | tlarson | i think it's just gnome-vfs |
| 00:58.57 | elik | abrotman, there seems to be a lot of choice there... gnome-vfs-obexftp (which sounds odd), volume-manager (which sounds more like parted interface) and gvfs (including gvfs-fuse, which makes me think it might be it) |
| 00:59.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, "usbmount"? |
| 00:59.55 | abrotman | !automount |
| 00:59.55 | dpkg | If you're running one of the desktop environments in Debian, then ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, or <thunar-volman>. If you want something for the command line, then ask me about <halevt>, <ivman>, or <usb mount>. For a completely different approach to automounting, ask me about <autofs>. |
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| 01:00.04 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, that's catchy too |
| 01:00.53 | elik | abrotman, thanks, I'll look it up |
| 01:01.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, heh, 2 idiots, one thought... I just thought with such a zoo of programs doing the same task, it's better to call a factoid |
| 01:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, errr, of course I meant... great minds think alike... |
| 01:01.47 | elik | abrotman, yup, sounds like gnome-volume manager is what I need |
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| 01:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnome-volume manager ... sounds like a personal trainer for obese gnomes |
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| 01:11.17 | dondelelcaro | initq: no, and that's totally not on topic here. |
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| 01:11.57 | initq | so i can't ask about oil change then also? |
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| 01:15.12 | newzen | hello, i have a runnig debian 5.0 for vortex86dx on a pendrive, i need to copy to CF. i make a copy with dd, and correct grub. i can get grub menu, but when booting try to9 mount root file system freeze and aperece initrams |
| 01:15.17 | newzen | any idea?? |
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| 01:17.17 | newzen | the message is ALERT! /dev/sda1 does not exist. Drop[ing to a shell |
| 01:17.44 | newzen | no body?? is too simple my question? |
| 01:17.54 | tlarson | far too simple. |
| 01:17.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps /dev/sda1 does not exist? |
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| 01:18.16 | newzen | how to now if exist?? |
| 01:18.22 | tlarson | yes!! |
| 01:18.45 | newzen | if the grub is boting from a unique cf disk? |
| 01:18.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... probably the error wouldn't say so if it did? |
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| 01:19.01 | tlarson | perhaps you should use the shell to determine which letter the drive shows up as and then update your links accordingly??? |
| 01:19.12 | flourish | hello all, since i set my eth0 to use static address in /etc/network/interfaces, but the ip address always changes to other |
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| 01:19.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's pretty devious thinking, there, tlarson |
| 01:20.00 | nsadmin | newzen maybe it's renamed to sdb1 or something |
| 01:20.03 | tlarson | it's better with extra punctuation |
| 01:20.10 | flourish | i found in dmesg that many items about eth0 up and eth0 down, can someone help |
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| 01:20.34 | newzen | how to now what the name of the unit?? |
| 01:20.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | flourish, probably dhcp is still running (or still started from interfaces in some way) |
| 01:21.03 | nsadmin | flourish: is there a problem you're trying to solve? |
| 01:21.10 | flourish | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, in syslog, i can see DHCPREQUEST. |
| 01:21.25 | deltaflyer4747 | hi, is there good soul who will be able and willing to help me? I have problem with compiling serdisplib, gives me the usual "C compiler cannot create executables" crap and no matter what i try i cannot get pass this. |
| 01:21.28 | flourish | nsadmin: yes, ip address always changes to another after i restart the networking |
| 01:21.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... kill it/shut it down/uninstall it? |
| 01:21.59 | nsadmin | flourish: after? |
| 01:22.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | a good soul? this guy must be the devil, being after our souls and everything! run, people, run! |
| 01:22.18 | deltaflyer4747 | :] |
| 01:22.25 | flourish | CutMeOwnThroat: it's a solution. Well, maybe i better to learn how dhcp works. Can you please find me a guide about dhcp:-) |
| 01:22.36 | nsadmin | good soul food has too much salt, sugar and spices... |
| 01:22.43 | flourish | nsadmin: yes, usually after 1~2 minutes |
| 01:23.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | flourish, if you don't use it, uninstall it... also... grep -i dhcp /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:23.10 | nsadmin | and your dhcp client can't respond to the change? |
| 01:23.11 | deltaflyer4747 | flourish: change lease time on dhcp, use static leasing (bind ip to certain MAC adress) |
| 01:23.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:23.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | funny, I never had that |
| 01:23.53 | deltaflyer4747 | well... likely yes... seems like newbie problem (apt-get install build-essential) but doesnt help |
| 01:23.53 | flourish | CutMeOwnThroat: no output of grep -i dhcp /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:23.55 | nsadmin | deltaflyer4747: start with aptitude install build-essential |
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| 01:24.09 | deltaflyer4747 | nsadmin ;) 1 sec faster ;) |
| 01:24.21 | newzen | deltaflyer4747: what command are using for compile? |
| 01:24.25 | flourish | CutMeOwnThroat: iface eth0 inet static |
| 01:24.30 | nsadmin | so that's already installed? or how is it not helping? |
| 01:24.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | flourish, well, then it's just still running from before... |
| 01:24.51 | deltaflyer4747 | nsadmin: already purged it, all together with gcc, g++, make... command? it gives me simple ./configure |
| 01:25.04 | nsadmin | purged? |
| 01:25.06 | deltaflyer4747 | yep, already reinstalled... twice |
| 01:25.22 | nsadmin | oh, so you un and then re installed? |
| 01:25.30 | deltaflyer4747 | aptitude purge gcc g++ make&&apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:25.43 | nsadmin | ok |
| 01:25.46 | flourish | CutMeOwnThroat: but i restart networking for many times, it should be killed? |
| 01:26.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | not really |
| 01:26.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | and definitely not the way you did it... you probably edited, then restarted networking... so how should any script know you used one of the possible dhcp clients before editing interfaces? |
| 01:27.09 | flourish | CutMeOwnThroat: usually how dhclient works. I means it seems the dhclient runs every certain time |
| 01:27.10 | deltaflyer4747 | nsadmin: latest stable lenny (5.0.3) from netinst |
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| 01:28.24 | deltaflyer4747 | flourish: it sends packet on 255.255.255.255:63 to get DHCP response if no valid IP adress is available to the interface - eg iface restarted or lease time expired |
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| 01:29.54 | deltaflyer4747 | basically - you set dhcp mode on iface and it tries to get available (or pre-defined if static leasing is used) IP |
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| 01:30.56 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: since i use static in /etc/network/interfaces, when i restart i get the ip address i assigned. |
| 01:31.04 | deltaflyer4747 | yep |
| 01:31.10 | deltaflyer4747 | no dhcp request |
| 01:31.21 | deltaflyer4747 | you do your "static leasing" manually |
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| 01:31.28 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: no dhcp request |
| 01:31.50 | deltaflyer4747 | if your dhcp server is configured correctly, there wont be a issue |
| 01:31.51 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: yes, i use static. But in syslog i see the dhcprequest? |
| 01:32.17 | deltaflyer4747 | flourish: hmm... on that iface? |
| 01:32.36 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: :-) totally i have two dhcp server. One is a wireless ap and another is the computer itself |
| 01:32.41 | deltaflyer4747 | nsadmin: any ideas? |
| 01:32.41 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: yes |
| 01:33.07 | deltaflyer4747 | flourish: well... the computer we are talking about? |
| 01:33.11 | deltaflyer4747 | and isn |
| 01:33.21 | flourish | dhcp on wireless ap servers ip from 192.168.100-199, and the computer itselft servers 201-254 |
| 01:33.32 | deltaflyer4747 | isn't it just an dhcprequest logged by dhcp server received from some client? |
| 01:33.33 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: yes;-) |
| 01:33.42 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: and the static ip is 192.168.1.200 |
| 01:33.52 | flourish | no |
| 01:33.55 | deltaflyer4747 | aww... ugly. why do you use two dhcpd ? |
| 01:34.28 | flourish | dhclient: bound to 192.168.1.202 -- renewal in 1671 seconds. |
| 01:35.24 | deltaflyer4747 | just use one and let the wifi to use server dhcp |
| 01:35.29 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: :-) because some people can connect to wireless ap and it works. but others cannot. So i think the ap has some problem |
| 01:35.41 | KinkyKamikaze | Does anyone know if there is an editor/compiler/enviroment/emulator for the motorla 6800 on Debian? |
| 01:36.30 | deltaflyer4747 | i dont get it... pls, what is your problem? |
| 01:36.37 | deltaflyer4747 | i was not there from begining |
| 01:36.47 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: you mean if i disable dhcp on ap, then when someone connect to ap, he will get ip address from dhcp running on server? |
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| 01:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that dhcp is still running after he stopped using it... so he can just uninstall it |
| 01:37.08 | deltaflyer4747 | depends on AP, but should work that way |
| 01:37.26 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: thanks, i will have a try:-) |
| 01:37.35 | deltaflyer4747 | what AP is that ? |
| 01:38.00 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: well, a bad one;-) NetGEAR WGR614v9 |
| 01:38.13 | deltaflyer4747 | i c... |
| 01:38.21 | flourish | even on telnet connection .. |
| 01:38.24 | deltaflyer4747 | 4+1 LAN port switch ? |
| 01:39.13 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: yes |
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| 01:39.34 | flourish | well i get dhclient eth0 from ps aux |grep dhclient |
| 01:39.41 | deltaflyer4747 | flourish: does its GUI allow you to choose modes? EG Bridged, NAT, direct etc? |
| 01:40.07 | iskra | Psi-Jack: delayed response... |
| 01:40.40 | iskra | Psi-Jack: but if postfix is better than exim4, why did Debian go with exim? |
| 01:40.43 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: well, i may see that it is a wireless router. |
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| 01:41.00 | deltaflyer4747 | screw it... what port on it do you use to connect it to your local net? |
| 01:41.06 | iskra | Psi-Jack: Just for curiosity's sake |
| 01:41.24 | flourish | wlan port |
| 01:41.31 | deltaflyer4747 | iskra: exim is simpler, postfix requires more settings |
| 01:41.32 | flourish | sorry, not that |
| 01:41.41 | deltaflyer4747 | wan |
| 01:41.42 | flourish | lan port |
| 01:41.47 | deltaflyer4747 | lan? good. |
| 01:41.54 | deltaflyer4747 | so just disable DHCP client. |
| 01:41.58 | deltaflyer4747 | err... server |
| 01:42.21 | iskra | deltaflyer4747: would you say postfix is the better choice to learn? im a total newb to mail server and was recommended uninstall exim and to learn postfix instead |
| 01:42.21 | deltaflyer4747 | on that AP... should be fine then... after that just restart that AP (power off/ on) and restart networking on the server |
| 01:42.22 | Psi-Jack | deltaflyer4747: Heh, ummm.. You're sooo wrong with that. ;0 |
| 01:42.27 | flourish | the dhcp on the wireless router? |
| 01:42.54 | deltaflyer4747 | iskra: i may give you total copy&paste guide for postfix&dovecot if you like |
| 01:43.03 | flourish | deltaflyer4747: thanks, i will try after work today. |
| 01:43.03 | deltaflyer4747 | flourish: yep, disable dhcp server on AP |
| 01:43.10 | deltaflyer4747 | np |
| 01:43.19 | flourish | :-) |
| 01:43.41 | iskra | deltaflyer4747: what is dovecot?... and yeah I'll take it... as long as it explains and isn't 100% copy paste |
| 01:43.52 | deltaflyer4747 | iskra: it explains :) http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ |
| 01:44.05 | deltaflyer4747 | it is written for etch, but works for lenny too |
| 01:44.10 | iskra | k |
| 01:44.18 | iskra | thanks |
| 01:44.33 | deltaflyer4747 | dovecot is local delivery agent that manages pop3/imap connections |
| 01:44.42 | deltaflyer4747 | well... |
| 01:44.45 | deltaflyer4747 | 2:0... |
| 01:44.46 | deltaflyer4747 | i |
| 01:44.59 | deltaflyer4747 | I'd like 2:1 so... anyone have clue for that problem of mine? |
| 01:45.20 | abrotman | iskra: that tutorial is not for the version of Debian that you're running |
| 01:45.41 | iskra | so it isn't compat with lenny? |
| 01:45.42 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: as i said, it is for etch, but works for lenny |
| 01:45.58 | deltaflyer4747 | checked - i am using it |
| 01:45.58 | abrotman | or he could just read the documentation that the pacakges provide |
| 01:46.24 | deltaflyer4747 | yep, but this gives him exact configs |
| 01:46.27 | iskra | true... but this will help as wel |
| 01:46.35 | deltaflyer4747 | easiest way to get postfix+dovecot working |
| 01:46.35 | iskra | i'm sure it wont be the only one i use |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | which he won't understand if it breaks .. great plan |
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| 01:47.08 | deltaflyer4747 | first things first... there is no thing to break yet ;) |
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| 01:47.34 | asarch | How can I set the "User Space" for my CPU? |
| 01:47.50 | asarch | I would like to use that configuration (the lowest possible) across reboots |
| 01:48.00 | abrotman | the first thing would be to read the docs .. |
| 01:48.08 | abrotman | asarch: the ulimit ? |
| 01:48.25 | asarch | ulimit? |
| 01:48.37 | iskra | all i have installed is right now is what lenny provides in tasksel for "mailserver" and so far i've been told to use none of that =) |
| 01:48.46 | deltaflyer4747 | how can i fix the "C compiler cannot create executables" ? |
| 01:48.54 | abrotman | !b-e deltaflyer4747 |
| 01:48.54 | dpkg | deltaflyer4747: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 01:49.04 | abrotman | iskra: postfix.org has fantastic documentation |
| 01:49.22 | iskra | alrighty |
| 01:49.29 | deltaflyer4747 | dpkg: as i pointed out already, reinstalled it twice |
| 01:49.30 | dpkg | deltaflyer4747: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 01:49.39 | deltaflyer4747 | err... bot? |
| 01:49.50 | asarch | From "cat /proc/cpuinfo": cpu MHz : 1000.000 |
| 01:50.02 | asarch | How can I set the lowest frequency of my CPU |
| 01:50.51 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: as i pointed out already, reinstalled it twice |
| 01:50.58 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: it's a metapackage |
| 01:51.07 | abrotman | asarch: you want CPU scaling ? |
| 01:51.14 | asarch | Exactly! |
| 01:51.22 | abrotman | you could have said that ... |
| 01:51.25 | asarch | I would like to se the lowest frequency |
| 01:51.27 | asarch | D'oh! |
| 01:51.30 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: aptitude purge build-essential gcc g++ make && apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:51.33 | asarch | *set |
| 01:51.57 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: which arch? which kernel? |
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| 01:52.17 | deltaflyer4747 | lenny 5.0.3 - latest stable |
| 01:52.37 | deltaflyer4747 | kern... not available...2.6.26-2 - i686 ? |
| 01:52.38 | tPl0ch | is there a good command line utility to tag ogg vorbis files? I need to tag files remotely via ssh |
| 01:52.56 | abrotman | how is the kern not available ? |
| 01:53.14 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: ssh not available now, will be in few mins |
| 01:53.24 | deltaflyer4747 | so i am just telling from memory |
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| 01:54.09 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: what are you trying to compile ? |
| 01:54.27 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: tried even apt-get dist-upgrade ... i am trying to compile serdisplib, but i get this error from many sources |
| 01:55.00 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: do you get it from a hello world ? |
| 01:55.14 | deltaflyer4747 | err... say what? |
| 01:55.30 | simonrvn | main() { |
| 01:55.40 | deltaflyer4747 | simple example... i c ... well, i get it from ./configure |
| 01:55.41 | abrotman | 1) use aptitude 2) it's 'full-upgrade' 3) wtf you don't know what a hello world is ? |
| 01:55.50 | simonrvn | print "Hello world!\n"; |
| 01:55.52 | simonrvn | } |
| 01:56.04 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 01:56.08 | deltaflyer4747 | sorry, its 2:56am in there... |
| 01:56.48 | deltaflyer4747 | and i am bit ill, so pls ... be kind on the state of my mind |
| 01:57.09 | simonrvn | was being kind.. |
| 01:57.19 | deltaflyer4747 | :) |
| 01:57.44 | centHOGG | tPl0ch: hi |
| 01:58.02 | tPl0ch | hi centHOGG |
| 01:58.19 | deltaflyer4747 | and mostly - english is not my native language so it can take few moments till i recall the correct word for what i want to say |
| 01:58.44 | centHOGG | tPl0ch: how are you using your oggs? |
| 01:59.01 | tPl0ch | centHOGG: ices2 & icecast |
| 01:59.08 | deltaflyer4747 | so... can anyone tell me exactly what i am supposed to try? |
| 01:59.08 | centHOGG | kewl |
| 01:59.21 | centHOGG | idunno any cmd line tool though |
| 01:59.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps you and your mind could profit from some sleep, then? |
| 01:59.29 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: you were just told by two different people |
| 01:59.36 | tPl0ch | centHOGG: only found gui packages |
| 01:59.40 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 01:59.55 | centHOGG | is your rig linux only... or does it have samba |
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| 02:00.02 | deltaflyer4747 | yea, make some hello world, but... as i said - i don't know a sh.. about C, so i am not sure how... will try to google it |
| 02:00.03 | tPl0ch | centHOGG: tagtool had at least a --dump switch to show the file info |
| 02:00.09 | abrotman | !paste |
| 02:00.10 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 02:00.44 | centHOGG | tPl0ch: I was thinking you could access the share via SMB |
| 02:00.45 | tPl0ch | but I don't want to pull all these files from the server just to tag them |
| 02:00.58 | tPl0ch | centHOGG: no samba |
| 02:01.01 | centHOGG | ok |
| 02:01.05 | centHOGG | lemme think |
| 02:01.24 | centHOGG | tPl0ch: what about linux client to linux share |
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| 02:02.13 | centHOGG | tPl0ch: or Public FTP share |
| 02:02.31 | tPl0ch | centHOGG: but then I still have to fetch them first |
| 02:03.24 | dvinchi | . |
| 02:03.29 | centHOGG | tPl0ch: see I think I know what you are trying to do... set the oggs on the server without moving right? |
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| 02:03.45 | tPl0ch | centHOGG: \o/ |
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| 02:05.15 | centHOGG | tPl0ch: yeah in my case I would have to load up smb to see the share and adjust the oggs w/ a gui tagger |
| 02:05.17 | deltaflyer4747 | oh crap |
| 02:05.19 | deltaflyer4747 | segfault |
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| 02:05.34 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: there comes my problem :( segfault in gcc |
| 02:06.06 | abrotman | sounds like bad hardware |
| 02:06.09 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault (program cc1) |
| 02:06.14 | abrotman | but have you tried the hello world yet? |
| 02:06.21 | deltaflyer4747 | yep |
| 02:06.23 | deltaflyer4747 | same thing |
| 02:06.29 | tPl0ch | centHOGG: lltag <- found a package |
| 02:06.35 | centHOGG | tPl0ch: or put a light desktop on the ice server like LXDE and do the gui tagger from there... oh excellent |
| 02:06.59 | deltaflyer4747 | even simple plain echo "Hello World"; gives me the same result |
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| 02:07.35 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: put the code you're using for helloworld in a pastebin |
| 02:07.48 | abrotman | and the command you're using to compile it .. and the error |
| 02:07.49 | deltaflyer4747 | i put it there... echo "Hello World"; |
| 02:08.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | that or a messy mix or runtime libraries |
| 02:08.05 | deltaflyer4747 | cc filename.c -o helloworld |
| 02:08.09 | enyawix | can you some how force a file collision. to make a upgrade work? |
| 02:08.32 | deltaflyer4747 | i already pasted error before |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | pastebin |
| 02:09.14 | abrotman | i can't follow it in here .. please use a pastebin |
| 02:09.21 | abrotman | enyawix: huh ? |
| 02:09.23 | deltaflyer4747 | ok... sec |
| 02:10.01 | enyawix | abrotman i want to force a file to be over written to solve a bug in kde |
| 02:10.09 | abrotman | !tell enyawix about overwrite |
| 02:10.17 | deltaflyer4747 | http://pastebin.com/m64741ef0 |
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| 02:11.10 | deltaflyer4747 | that utf crap means something with unauthorised memory access |
| 02:12.33 | mactimes | Hi. Does anyone know how to force a specific group for file creation under a specific directory? What I want it something like the directories/files created to inherit its parent directory permissions/group. |
| 02:12.53 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: i'd use memtest |
| 02:13.00 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 02:13.00 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 02:13.08 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: okay... will do |
| 02:13.19 | deltaflyer4747 | crappy notebook :( |
| 02:14.16 | enyawix | This aptitude does not have Super Cow Powers. |
| 02:14.27 | abrotman | we're aware |
| 02:15.33 | enyawix | i juat tried "aptitude Install kdebase --force-overwrite" |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | you're doing it wrong .. read what the bot told you again |
| 02:15.58 | enyawix | k |
| 02:16.03 | enyawix | brb |
| 02:16.12 | mactimes | abrotman: I think you didn't understand my doubt. I don't want to change file/directory permissions. I want new ones to inherit the parent directory group and permissions, instead of using the user's primary group. |
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| 02:16.49 | abrotman | mactimes: yep .. you didn't read the answer .. and i'm not interested in helping ubuntu people in #debian |
| 02:19.32 | mactimes | abrotman: First, you need to change your attitude. It's not because I'm supporting in the Ubuntu channel that my doubt is related to that. I'm setting up permissions for directories under Lenny for a local server. Second, I'm still reading, but as per the headlines I did not find anything related to what I've asked, changing permissions is not making defaults for new files to be created. |
| 02:19.51 | abrotman | has heard it before .. |
| 02:19.55 | deltaflyer4747 | oh ship... |
| 02:20.12 | deltaflyer4747 | memtest freezes on start |
| 02:20.27 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: that's kind of awesome... |
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| 02:21.01 | deltaflyer4747 | sort of... |
| 02:21.08 | Faithful | I have a 32bit app runnning in 64bit when it calls certain libs it looks at the 64bit ones... how can I tell the app to look at the 32bit ones? |
| 02:21.38 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: are you doing it from a liveCD or the distro itself ? |
| 02:21.49 | deltaflyer4747 | trying GoldMemory |
| 02:21.57 | deltaflyer4747 | Hiren's boot CD |
| 02:22.11 | deltaflyer4747 | so ... kind of LiveCD |
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| 02:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, or in short "g+s" on the directory |
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| 02:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and now stop fighting kids |
| 02:22.54 | abrotman | way to save him from actually reading |
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| 02:23.18 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Thank you very much for helping. |
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| 02:24.03 | mactimes | abrotman: Right, I need to read 10 pages for 3 characters. That's smart. |
| 02:24.24 | abrotman | mactimes: right, because you don't understand what you just did or what it actually does. That's dumb. |
| 02:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | reading is totally overrated |
| 02:25.26 | abrotman | knowledge is useless! |
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| 02:25.41 | jpinx-eeepc | bring on the morons! |
| 02:25.52 | mactimes | abrotman: Well, sending me 4 or 5 entire docs won't help either. You wanted me to understand what it actually does? Why not sending the pages to the docs and pointing out interesting sections related to my doubt? |
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| 02:26.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said stop fighting, not carryonregardless |
| 02:26.20 | zamuro | Did you called me? :P |
| 02:26.28 | abrotman | yeah .. like the first link .. where greycat explains the sticky bit in multiple places |
| 02:27.05 | elik | macrobat, are you afraid to learn? |
| 02:27.20 | abrotman | elik: mistab |
| 02:27.29 | elik | mactimes, ^ |
| 02:27.33 | elik | abrotman, how could you tell :D |
| 02:27.44 | elik | macrobat, sorry |
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| 02:30.05 | deltaflyer4747 | goldmem, second pass running and no error yet |
| 02:30.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | mentioning the sticky bit might have helped, though :) |
| 02:31.36 | mactimes | Besides, it was the 2nd link, not the 1st. |
| 02:32.03 | abrotman | no, it's in the first one .. the wooledge.org link |
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| 02:32.46 | Lobs | anyone here able to help with a network card kernel module that wont stop loading on bootup? (r8169) |
| 02:32.52 | abrotman | and probably the second, third |
| 02:32.56 | mactimes | Anyways, CutMeOwnThroat, thank you for the "short" version. abrotman, thank you for the links, once I finish the task I have now, I'll definitely read those. |
| 02:33.11 | abrotman | Lobs: you want to blacklist the module? |
| 02:34.07 | Lobs | abrotman: yes, the card is actually a r8168, which i have compiled and installed the module from realtek for. i have a blacklist entry in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist but it doesnt seem to do anything |
| 02:34.35 | abrotman | Lobs: /msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs .. perhaps |
| 02:35.01 | Lobs | is dpkg a bot? |
| 02:35.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:35.56 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: 2nd pass of GoldMem nearly passed, seems like it is not RAM related |
| 02:36.27 | Lobs | abrotman: just so you know i have been running `update-initramfs -u` when i have made changes to the blacklist |
| 02:36.28 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: that's just the first test .. it could still be bad hardware .. |
| 02:36.32 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: try a liveCD |
| 02:36.37 | deltaflyer4747 | sure can |
| 02:36.41 | ponyofde1th | hi, i have found out that apache is running an ping flood how can i "freeze" the process to analize it later what is the kill signal for that |
| 02:36.43 | abrotman | Lobs: and you still can't blacklist it ? |
| 02:36.47 | Lobs | abrotman: i have even gone as far as renaming the offending kernel module in all locations i can find it,. |
| 02:37.10 | abrotman | Lobs: grep 8169 /boot/config-$(uname -r) ? |
| 02:37.27 | deltaflyer4747 | btw memtest running ;) |
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| 02:38.12 | Lobs | abrotman: shows it being built as a module. CONFIG_R8169=m |
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| 02:39.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | mactimes, obviously doesn't work on 2nd level directories... nothing does afaik |
| 02:39.44 | abrotman | Lobs: which module is being loaded ? |
| 02:39.58 | Lobs | r8169 |
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| 02:40.25 | abrotman | so you're moving the module to another name and it's still being loaded ? |
| 02:40.33 | Lobs | yes :-/ |
| 02:40.43 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: btw... what can i learn from launching LiveCD? |
| 02:40.56 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: you'd eliminate the HDD and the OS as the source of the problem |
| 02:41.08 | deltaflyer4747 | it is freshly installed |
| 02:41.13 | abrotman | so? |
| 02:41.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it still smells of plastic |
| 02:42.05 | deltaflyer4747 | so - at most - the hdd, but it is working like a charm, i've used it for a quite time and no error... |
| 02:42.15 | deltaflyer4747 | good one ;) |
| 02:42.20 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Hum. I'm readying http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html and was looking for that. |
| 02:43.07 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: any specific LiveCD that you prefer? |
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| 02:43.16 | abrotman | not really |
| 02:43.32 | enyawix | thanks for the help now i see why kde4 is masked on most distros |
| 02:43.49 | deltaflyer4747 | ok, dl ubu |
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| 02:44.35 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: there are smaller liveCDs .. but whatever you want .. |
| 02:44.43 | abrotman | enyawix: masked ? |
| 02:45.16 | deltaflyer4747 | i dont care, few mins for 690MB is not so much |
| 02:45.20 | enyawix | abrotman sorry masked is a gentto word = marked unstable |
| 02:45.45 | nsadmin | gelatto? |
| 02:45.58 | enyawix | gentoo* |
| 02:46.20 | nsadmin | oh damn... I thought there was gelatto! |
| 02:47.02 | deltaflyer4747 | mmm... i could use that... or anything cold... on that damn tooth... |
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| 02:47.58 | deltaflyer4747 | oh crap, going for some ice cream :D |
| 02:48.32 | big_head1 | !sudo |
| 02:48.32 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo , http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 02:49.30 | Lobs | grumbles |
| 02:49.46 | Lobs | the command the dpkg bot suggested to me has killed my md0 |
| 02:50.11 | big_head1 | !visudo |
| 02:50.12 | dpkg | rumour has it, visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers). |
| 02:50.20 | deltaflyer4747 | bad robot! |
| 02:51.10 | Tapout | I've got a custom *.deb and i can't remember where I got it from. It's from a private maintainer.. Is there a way to probe an installed package to see where it's from/comments/author? |
| 02:51.13 | deltaflyer4747 | hmm, memtest 105% passed... |
| 02:51.35 | EagleRock | always a good sign there's a healthy level of insanity in your OS :-) |
| 02:51.53 | abrotman | big_head1: msg the bot |
| 02:52.33 | deltaflyer4747 | going to watch heroes till memtest passes |
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| 02:53.20 | asarch | Any manual or HowTo about cpu frequency scalling on Debian? |
| 02:53.20 | ericP | anyone know what debian packages (probably not a standard deb) has make-3.81.info (or any make.info)? |
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| 02:53.41 | elik | How long should moving a 200gb partition take? |
| 02:53.45 | big_head1 | i dont understand the BS... for example, I tried to use "sudo" as I am used to using in Ubuntu, and I get "this incident will be reported". here, i research !visudo and get "rumour has it... blah blah" |
| 02:54.04 | big_head1 | is debian like the OS with a personality? |
| 02:54.24 | big_head1 | !text editor |
| 02:54.24 | dpkg | it has been said that editor is something used to edit (change, create, modify, append, remove stuff from) files. There are both text editors and binary editors. <vi> and <emacs> (or flavors of same) are the standard *nix editors, though n00b5 might find <nano>, gedit, <nedit>, etc., more useful. The usual difference between, say, an editor and a word processor is that editors _just_ do plain text. To change the default editor: 'update-alternatives ... |
| 02:54.28 | elik | big_head1, basically, you should learn how to use sudo, and not depend on the os to do it for you |
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| 02:55.16 | big_head1 | elik, that's what i am attempting to do |
| 02:55.55 | big_head1 | elik, i just dont understand the need for "rumour has it" and "it has been said that the editor" "this incident has been reported |
| 02:56.04 | big_head1 | why all the extra stuff? |
| 02:56.29 | deltaflyer4747 | why not |
| 02:56.42 | elik | it makes dpkg more friendly |
| 02:56.54 | deltaflyer4747 | ask the holy cow |
| 02:56.55 | elik | and less liable |
| 02:57.01 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: You said that the child directories wouldn't have the ability to keep the permissions on its child directories/files, ist that correct? |
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| 02:58.13 | mactimes | CutMeOwnThroat: Or what exactly did you mean by "obviously doesn't work on 2nd level directories... nothing does afaik"? |
| 02:59.05 | big_head1 | !holy cow |
| 02:59.05 | dpkg | OHMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! OHMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! |
| 02:59.17 | abrotman | big_head1: msg the bot |
| 02:59.19 | deltaflyer4747 | maybe that the sticky bit doesnt inherit itself |
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| 03:01.28 | mactimes | deltaflyer4747: Like, the subdirectories of the subdirectories won't keep the group set on the parent directory? |
| 03:01.40 | deltaflyer4747 | maybe, dunno... |
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| 03:02.03 | deltaflyer4747 | easiest way would be to try it |
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| 03:02.25 | mactimes | deltaflyer4747: I was just asking to make sure, because it is definitely keeping the group. |
| 03:02.35 | deltaflyer4747 | okay |
| 03:02.36 | Tapout | I've got a custom *.deb and i can't remember where I got it from. It's from a private maintainer.. Is there a way to probe an installed package to see where it's from/comments/author? |
| 03:02.44 | deltaflyer4747 | then i dont know what he meant |
| 03:02.56 | big_head1 | !install disc two |
| 03:03.06 | big_head1 | !insert disc |
| 03:03.17 | EagleRock | Tapout: does dpkg -I /path/to/package.deb give you anything? |
| 03:03.24 | mactimes | deltaflyer4747: So, that is what I was asking about. Didn't understand all the shock about my question... |
| 03:03.28 | deltaflyer4747 | big_head1: MSG the bot ... |
| 03:03.40 | moqual | I was using flash9.0 but upgrade to 10.0 by installing the latest flashplugin-nonfree package. now I can't play any flash video. have i upgraded correctly? |
| 03:03.47 | big_head1 | deltaflyer4747, maybe i dont belong here |
| 03:04.05 | deltaflyer4747 | big_head1: well, it is up to you, but... just... pls... pm the bot :] |
| 03:04.08 | elik | big_head1, are you looking for something? |
| 03:04.19 | EagleRock | big_head1: he means type /msg dpkg <question> :-) |
| 03:05.03 | big_head1 | elik, im getting started in debian, im used to ubuntu. i really just enjoy learning about different operating systems. i would like to use "sudo" as i am used to in ubuntu, but am having trouble |
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| 03:05.28 | big_head1 | and when i try to use apt-get, my system tells me to insert a disc" |
| 03:05.38 | mactimes | big_head1: log in as root. |
| 03:05.40 | elik | big_head1, ok, you have two issues |
| 03:05.50 | mactimes | big_head1: Edit the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:06.16 | mactimes | big_head1: Comment the lines which contains "cdrom" in the begining. |
| 03:06.30 | mactimes | big_head1: Then, run apt-get update and try again. |
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| 03:07.22 | abrotman | !tell mactimes about why aptitdue |
| 03:07.24 | abrotman | !tell mactimes about why aptitude |
| 03:07.30 | abrotman | !tell big_head1 about why aptitude |
| 03:07.40 | mactimes | abrotman: Do I have to love aptitude just because you do? |
| 03:07.54 | mactimes | abrotman: I feel comfortable with apt-get and works fine for me... |
| 03:08.00 | abrotman | mactimes: it's the recommended tool for Debian |
| 03:08.08 | abrotman | recommended for a good reason |
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| 03:08.37 | mactimes | abrotman: Well said: "recommended" is not "mandatory" |
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| 03:08.59 | abrotman | please use aptitude when giving commands in this channel |
| 03:09.05 | deltaflyer4747 | well, for some things is better apt-get , for some aptitude |
| 03:09.13 | abrotman | no |
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| 03:09.20 | abrotman | in almost all cases, aptitude is better .. |
| 03:09.30 | deltaflyer4747 | it is slower |
| 03:09.44 | Tapout | EagleRock, I don't have the *.deb, only whatever is installed.. dpkg -l | grep -i .. |
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| 03:10.04 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: that's really irrelevant .. there are faster package managers than apt-get that do things even worse |
| 03:10.05 | mactimes | abrotman: If aptitude was the only good option, I think apt-get wouldn't come with the base system in the first place... |
| 03:10.44 | abrotman | mactimes: because aptitude depends on it .. |
| 03:11.25 | abrotman | mactimes: it is a much better option than apt-get .. please use aptitude when giving commands here |
| 03:11.40 | deltaflyer4747 | i am not saying that the apt-get is good option for everything, but if i want to install only one particular package, i use apt-get ... if i am unsure of deps, i use aptitude |
| 03:11.42 | abrotman | maybe if Ubuntu would ask its users to use aptitude, this wouldn't happen |
| 03:12.05 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: mixing is not a great plan .. but it's your box |
| 03:12.10 | EagleRock | deltaflyer4747: the only problem with switching between aptitude and apt-get is that you are splitting up your installation histories |
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| 03:13.13 | mactimes | abrotman: "much better" is subjective. I find apt-get to be much easier to use, does the work, that is better for me. But that is for _ME_. Besides, never took the time to learn aptitude. So, that makes it impossible for me to "please use aptitude when giving commands here" when there is someone in need of help. |
| 03:13.17 | Tapout | hrmm, I've found /var/cache/apt/archives/ .. heh |
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| 03:13.36 | abrotman | how is it "easier" to use? they do the same things .. |
| 03:14.07 | abrotman | wait .. apt-get install .. aptitude install .. apt-get remove .. aptitude remove .. holy crap .. i'm flabbergasted! |
| 03:14.19 | deltaflyer4747 | witch different approach (eg aptitude search vs apt-cache search) |
| 03:14.32 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: you can make aptitude search the same way as apt-cache |
| 03:14.43 | abrotman | and vice versa .. you can have apt-cache search the same way aptitude does |
| 03:14.53 | deltaflyer4747 | i meant different command :) |
| 03:14.55 | mactimes | abrotman: "Easier" because I already know it. As you said, they do the same things. You know it because you know aptitude. I only know apt-get, can only say about what I know. |
| 03:14.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | EagleRock, eh? the only problem was that apt-get didn't know about the autoinstall flag at a time when aptitude already did... else it's of no consequence |
| 03:15.21 | abrotman | mactimes: however .. the problem resolution is aptitude is light years ahead of apt-get .. using aptitude is a far better habit |
| 03:15.32 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: what? |
| 03:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | no you can't "aptitude search image resolution" != "apt-cache search image resolution" |
| 03:16.00 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, you can |
| 03:16.15 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: you can do it .. that's not how |
| 03:16.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not the same |
| 03:16.27 | mactimes | abrotman: Do I have the right to chose what I want use or I'll get busted for using apt-get? |
| 03:16.34 | abrotman | go away ubuntu user! |
| 03:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, you can do the same type of search when you remember some things that are about 100 times as complicated to remember |
| 03:17.06 | mactimes | abrotman: That's not very polite. Besides, aptitude and apt-get are not "ubuntu only material". |
| 03:17.22 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: it's not really that hard .. aptitude search "~dimage ~dresolution" |
| 03:17.39 | abrotman | mactimes: but Debian still recommends aptitude :) |
| 03:17.48 | elik | mactimes, but you are a noob, and he is not, listen to his advice |
| 03:17.58 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: but you can also do many other kinds of searchs besides descriptions |
| 03:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, only need to remember a weird squiggle command where before I didn't |
| 03:18.04 | EagleRock | CutMeOwnThroat: actually, I was referring to aptitude's unneeded dependency checking |
| 03:18.12 | mactimes | abrotman: Again, "recommended" is not "mandatory". |
| 03:18.14 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: but it's not like it's hard |
| 03:18.28 | EagleRock | abrotman: now that you mention it, can you get a similar output to apt-cache policy in aptitude? |
| 03:18.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I didn't say it's hard, I said it's about a 100 times harder |
| 03:18.35 | xuser | mactimes: no one is forcing you, get over it |
| 03:18.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's also not documented in the man-page |
| 03:18.43 | deltaflyer4747 | booting buntu... |
| 03:18.59 | abrotman | EagleRock: that i'm not sure .. the aptitude documentation is pretty large .. i've never looked for that |
| 03:19.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | which probably makes it about a 1000 times harder |
| 03:19.34 | mactimes | xuser: "please use aptitude when giving commands here" feels like what to you? |
| 03:19.44 | EagleRock | abrotman: ok thx...I only asked because I use it relatively often with my mixed mode install |
| 03:19.44 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html#tableSearchTermQuickGuide |
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| 03:20.31 | EagleRock | mactimes: I think what abrotman was trying to say is that aptitude is the standard for Debian these days, and references to package management should default to the recommendations...but that doesn't mean you're not free to make the choice for yourself |
| 03:20.34 | xuser | mactimes: you were not talking about irc |
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| 03:21.08 | mactimes | xuser: Please scroll back and get a clue before jumping in. |
| 03:21.16 | NekawA | abrotman: u were helping me yesterday when i didn't have a monitor - so i plugged in a monitor turns out the system was stuck starting rsyslog |
| 03:21.22 | abrotman | yeah .. clueful people use aptitude! |
| 03:21.31 | abrotman | NekawA: whoops |
| 03:21.38 | NekawA | bunch of BS, booted into runlevel 1 got rid of /var/log/syslog and rebooted and all is swell |
| 03:21.56 | NekawA | running w/ no monitor/kb like a charm :D i'm just wondering what can cause these processes to 'not boot' |
| 03:21.57 | abrotman | NekawA: that stinks .. especially for a 15mile drive |
| 03:22.08 | NekawA | i've had the same problem with exim4 where 'paniclog' was not empty so exim4 hung at boot |
| 03:22.19 | xuser | mactimes: If you want to be close minded and to lazy to learn aptitude don't try to force that on others, that's what he means |
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| 03:23.13 | deltaflyer4747 | ubuntu booting, already in GNOME |
| 03:23.45 | mactimes | xuser: Well, going back to where this started, I just helped someone under difficulties the way I knew how to do it. I think it is better then just doing nothing. |
| 03:23.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, it _is_ documente in /usr/share/doc/aptitude - and now that I know that I can look it up - but that's really not the most obvious place to look for the documentation |
| 03:24.19 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah .. i never understood why it wasn't in the man page .. but i'll guess patches are welcome :) |
| 03:25.42 | xuser | mactimes: and there is nothing wrong with that but don't get all whiney when a experienced Debian user gives you a observaction/recommendation |
| 03:25.54 | big_head1 | !a good book about debian |
| 03:26.04 | abrotman | big_head1: /msg dpkg foo |
| 03:26.33 | abrotman | !tell big_head1 about books |
| 03:26.43 | big_head1 | abrotman, i dpkg didnt know. Telling me to msg a bot doesnt help anything |
| 03:26.46 | mactimes | xuser: I don't. I just don't thing I should be forced towards another package manager, if I feel comfortable using what I use and have no issues with that. |
| 03:27.05 | mactimes | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:27.15 | elik | mactimes, GET OVER IT |
| 03:27.22 | abrotman | except you may be mixing his package manager usage .. and thus causing a possible issue .. |
| 03:27.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, could have been worse... could have been in the basement whose stairs are broken in a room without light whose door hase a sign "beware of tiger" in a locked cupboard underneath 15 kg of old cardboard... |
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| 03:28.20 | abrotman | tigger! |
| 03:28.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, arthur! |
| 03:28.40 | big_head1 | you all have been very helpful. thank you for your help |
| 03:28.45 | jpinx-eeepc | will have a pint of what CutMeOwnThroat is drinking :) |
| 03:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, you should read some good books, then you'd know what I'm referring to |
| 03:29.36 | deltaflyer4747 | abrotman: it does not give me that error in live distro |
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| 03:30.37 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: so your options here are a possible HDD issue, or perhaps an OS issue |
| 03:30.52 | deltaflyer4747 | hmpf... |
| 03:31.03 | deltaflyer4747 | well, gotta buy that CF adapter |
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| 03:31.51 | deltaflyer4747 | is that 100% sure that it is HDD or OS related? |
| 03:31.59 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: no, not 100% .. |
| 03:32.02 | deltaflyer4747 | (or atleast 95% ;) ) |
| 03:32.04 | abrotman | deltaflyer4747: you can try to boot Debian again |
| 03:32.21 | deltaflyer4747 | already tried that, same thing |
| 03:32.27 | abrotman | see if the same thing happens, or try to compile another program, or try a reinstall |
| 03:33.11 | deltaflyer4747 | okay... |
| 03:33.13 | taras | what program do I need to install to manage GTK look, w/o installing whole gnome? |
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| 03:37.15 | big_head1 | deletes the debian .vdi |
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| 03:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | look, a GTK |
| 03:38.52 | big_head1 | deleted |
| 03:39.05 | big_head1 | i guess i need to stop seeding this junk |
| 03:39.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean it was seedy? |
| 03:39.24 | taras | CutMeOwnThroat: gtk prog aka iceweasel looks poor on my kde4 :) |
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| 03:46.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it's probably those kde handles and borders :) |
| 03:46.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | the sure cure of which is... |
| 03:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | "stop using kde" |
| 03:47.14 | micols | how to I get a picture from my usb webcam , device /dev/video0 , could I use dd for it , or some cli utility? |
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| 04:05.25 | deltaflyer4747 | OU that hdd is OLD |
| 04:05.39 | deltaflyer4747 | smartmon says load_cycle_count 97185 |
| 04:05.49 | deltaflyer4747 | do the math yourself |
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| 04:06.47 | deltaflyer4747 | well, but power_on_hours is only 2175 |
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| 04:09.01 | EagleRock | now you have me curious about my old debian server |
| 04:09.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | micols, there are a couple... not all of them seem to work for each cam... most cams use v4l ... v4l1 or v4l2 |
| 04:09.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | !search |
| 04:09.56 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 04:10.09 | epsilon | deltaflyer4747: notebook? |
| 04:10.14 | deltaflyer4747 | yep |
| 04:10.18 | deltaflyer4747 | 2.5 |
| 04:10.29 | votyakf | Hi 2 all! Is anybody knows why debian 503 ia64 iso don't boot neither on pc nor in virtualbox? |
| 04:10.46 | abrotman | votyakf: because ia64 is for itanium |
| 04:10.55 | deltaflyer4747 | you need AMD64 |
| 04:10.58 | epsilon | deltaflyer4747: aggressive power management |
| 04:11.00 | deltaflyer4747 | if you want 64bit os |
| 04:11.01 | abrotman | or i386 |
| 04:11.07 | deltaflyer4747 | epsilon: sure thing |
| 04:11.18 | deltaflyer4747 | start/stop is 1558 |
| 04:11.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | "apt-cache search webcam image" might do (or plain aptitude search webcam) |
| 04:11.50 | votyakf | Ups, Thank you very much, I almost break my brain!:)) |
| 04:12.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | or possibly apt-cache search command line webcam |
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| 04:12.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | micols, ^^^^ |
| 04:13.00 | patterson | easy to catch here |
| 04:13.41 | patterson | whats a nice minty fresh distro ? |
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| 04:13.53 | deltaflyer4747 | but... doesnt explain that memory leak |
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| 04:16.39 | deltaflyer4747 | gotta go |
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| 04:17.01 | deltaflyer4747 | for half an hour |
| 04:17.02 | patterson | cwbpnp |
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| 04:17.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you'll never guess what distro people in this channel recommend... |
| 04:18.03 | tensorpudding | patterson: mint is a minty fresh distro |
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| 04:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian is, if you rub mint platlets on the CD |
| 04:18.53 | taras | so why iceweasel doesn't use current gnome theme when I use it in kde4? how to affect that? |
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| 04:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | use metacity? |
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| 04:19.53 | taras | oh that |
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| 04:20.41 | taras | its window manager? like kwin replacement? |
| 04:21.04 | macrobat | taras: try gtk-qt-engine |
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| 04:21.28 | macrobat | oups, thats not what you asked, sry |
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| 04:22.44 | taras | "This makes your GTK 2 applications look almost like real Qt applications" |
| 04:22.45 | macrobat | i think theres something in systemsettings that let gtk apps look more like they do outside kde |
| 04:23.04 | macrobat | you wanted the reverse of that :) |
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| 04:24.14 | taras | macrobat: ? I want iceweasel look like qt application |
| 04:24.26 | taras | or just have better look then it have now |
| 04:24.35 | taras | cos it looks ugly |
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| 04:28.13 | patterson | 14th arrondissement tuesday |
| 04:28.54 | taras | brb |
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| 04:30.58 | patterson | or a clean weel lit place for books |
| 04:31.01 | taras | yay gtk-qt-theme helps |
| 04:31.03 | patterson | dude |
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| 04:40.00 | centHOGG | hi |
| 04:40.03 | ybit | where's the debian not new maintainer's guide? |
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| 04:40.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | ybit: huh? |
| 04:40.42 | ybit | a follow-up of this article: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.txt |
| 04:40.50 | ybit | it doesn't go into detail |
| 04:40.55 | centHOGG | I can't get an NTFS USB External Drive to automount... "invalid mount option" (on a new install of debian) |
| 04:41.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | ybit: developers-reference and debian-policy |
| 04:41.47 | ybit | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/ |
| 04:41.55 | ybit | yup, just found it |
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| 04:42.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | np :) |
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| 04:43.04 | ybit | thanks and good day to you all |
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| 04:45.10 | redwalk | !mp3 |
| 04:45.10 | dpkg | i heard mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the Internet. Listening to mp3s can be an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience because the algorithm is patented in US and Germany (ask me about <ogg vorbis>). See also <lame>. |
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| 04:45.37 | redwalk | !restricted |
| 04:45.39 | centHOGG | i thought you could just plug in an external USB and it would be ok... it shows up in the file manager, but doesn't mount |
| 04:47.31 | NiLon | anyone played with gammu/wammu/gnokii with nokia 3500c? :F |
| 04:47.50 | NiLon | I can't get SMS's to work except sending one |
| 04:48.48 | NiLon | just wondering if problem is in my cable or that phone isn't supporting it at all |
| 04:50.32 | centHOGG | oh well |
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| 04:51.30 | NiLon | and this is preatty desperate question, I'm preatty positive that no one here got 3500c :D |
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| 04:53.12 | tsplen | my mysql server seems to refuse connections to localhost. I've tried "telnet localhost 3306", which gives me "connection refused". then I've tried "telnet MYIP 3306" which lets me right through. any idea how to figure this out? |
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| 04:54.36 | NotInternat | hey out of interest, can anyone a good graphical process monitor for gnome that can connect to another system? ie a graphical version of top but from my machine to serverx? |
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| 04:55.19 | centHOGG | I can't get an NTFS USB External Drive to automount... "invalid mount option" (on a new install of debian) |
| 04:55.22 | centHOGG | i thought you could just plug in an external USB and it would be ok... it shows up in the file manager, but doesn't mount |
| 04:56.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | tsplen: your probably not set to listen on localhost |
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| 04:58.50 | tsplen | Kamping_Kaiser: so that's not default? on ps aux | grep mysqld there is no listen-argument, so I guess you're right |
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| 04:59.47 | tsplen | well thanks, it seems I'd tinkered with it earlier. that was it |
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| 04:59.56 | _Trinity_ | hey everyone |
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| 05:00.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | good luck ;) |
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| 05:03.50 | _Trinity_ | I noticed that my system reboots instead of halting when an usb audio device is plugged in. Has anyone had that trouble? |
| 05:04.18 | _Trinity_ | I've tried unloading the snd-* module but it's always busy |
| 05:04.42 | centHOGG | _Trinity_: hi... not yet. Does your usb externals automount with no prob? |
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| 05:06.54 | _Trinity_ | well, it doesn't show up in my file manageras mounted device. But yeah, the system seems to pick up on it as soon as I plug it in, although the built in sound card takes preference if it's booted without the usb device |
| 05:07.23 | centHOGG | ok, is this a new install or has it worked before? |
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| 05:09.48 | devin | how come when trying to remove Swfdec it wants to remove gnome? I need it gone |
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| 05:10.26 | _Trinity_ | centHOGG: you're suggesting that if it is mounted, I've got to unmount it before anything else ,I assume. So I got to figure out it's being mounted first of all |
| 05:11.01 | centHOGG | _Trinity_: yeah, I have a problem automounting external USB drives on a new install |
| 05:11.24 | centHOGG | i'm used to just plugging it in and going |
| 05:11.33 | _Trinity_ | the thing is that it's not under /media nor /mnt |
| 05:12.15 | centHOGG | _Trinity_: were you able to use this usb devices on that system with another os? |
| 05:12.48 | _Trinity_ | I just use pcman file mnanager. It mounts externals on the fly |
| 05:12.56 | _Trinity_ | yeah, it worked under OS X |
| 05:13.02 | centHOGG | so verified it works... ok |
| 05:13.20 | _Trinity_ | the external works, it's just that I have to unleg it before halting |
| 05:13.35 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 05:13.41 | _Trinity_ | Debian sees it as a sound card |
| 05:13.53 | centHOGG | ok |
| 05:13.54 | _Trinity_ | so I don't know if it shuold be mounting it |
| 05:14.35 | centHOGG | _Trinity_: which was newer? OSX or this version of Debian (maybe its old) |
| 05:14.59 | _Trinity_ | my Debian install is much newer |
| 05:15.08 | centHOGG | ok |
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| 05:15.35 | _Trinity_ | the usb device is a first generation iMic |
| 05:15.48 | centHOGG | ok |
| 05:16.03 | devin | is there a way to disable or possibly remove swfdec-mozilla? |
| 05:16.19 | tensorpudding | apt-get remove might help |
| 05:16.29 | devin | wants to remove gnome |
| 05:16.32 | _Trinity_ | disable? go to firefox's plugins and diable from there |
| 05:16.57 | devin | _Trinity_ not listed in plugins |
| 05:17.05 | _Trinity_ | aptitude purge is my favorite |
| 05:17.38 | _Trinity_ | try aptitude purge swfdec-mozilla |
| 05:18.00 | _Trinity_ | or apt-get if that's what you use |
| 05:18.17 | devin | can't wants to remove gnome |
| 05:18.22 | centHOGG | it's a pain to remove progs connected to gnome |
| 05:18.56 | devin | well I really 'need' to remove it, I just rather not have it enabled |
| 05:19.08 | devin | don't* |
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| 05:20.18 | _Trinity_ | if it's control over unwanted flash video from runing you want, why not install a plugin or greasemonkey script to regulaate that? |
| 05:20.34 | centHOGG | _Trinity_: what are you using debian for? a desktop? |
| 05:20.54 | _Trinity_ | yes desktop |
| 05:21.02 | centHOGG | yeah I use it for handbrake |
| 05:21.28 | centHOGG | don't need openoffice or the other bloat |
| 05:21.35 | elik | I'm trying to move my /home to a new partition, I found a method using cpio, but it messes with some file attributes, do you have any suggestions? |
| 05:21.46 | _Trinity_ | Abiword works fine enough for me |
| 05:22.22 | _Trinity_ | I don't like huge word processors, not to say that I love Abiword wither |
| 05:22.25 | centHOGG | _Trinity_: the thing is theres like no in-between gnome desktop and a light system |
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| 05:22.35 | centHOGG | i like lxde |
| 05:22.49 | _Trinity_ | have you tried lxde? |
| 05:22.57 | centHOGG | yeah I like it |
| 05:23.04 | taras | is there something for kde4, like it is gtk-qt-theme for kde3 ? |
| 05:23.07 | centHOGG | but you have to build it up a bit |
| 05:23.07 | _Trinity_ | I find it's the perfect in-between |
| 05:23.26 | _Trinity_ | how so? |
| 05:23.36 | centHOGG | even debian desktop you have to build up a bit (with build-essentials and such) |
| 05:23.51 | centHOGG | to load video drivers |
| 05:24.46 | _Trinity_ | oh that, I haven't loked into it all that much |
| 05:25.07 | _Trinity_ | there's a debian multi media repository |
| 05:25.11 | _Trinity_ | non-official |
| 05:25.11 | centHOGG | yeah all sorts of trix |
| 05:25.16 | centHOGG | yeah thats a kewl repo |
| 05:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, I think I couldn't hibernate my laptop anymore when I had a usb wireless thumb connected... but I think in that case just something crashed during hibernate-shutdown or during waking up |
| 05:25.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | (both) |
| 05:25.46 | _Trinity_ | but I'm really kind of disappointed in that respect. On OS X, VLC can play almost anything |
| 05:25.58 | centHOGG | brb |
| 05:26.10 | _Trinity_ | but, I got to say VLC on Debian --well I don't even know why they bother |
| 05:26.11 | centHOGG | I like OSX even though I rarely use a mac |
| 05:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, mplayer from dmm with w32codecs plays pretty much everything |
| 05:26.26 | Sergio` | Anyone that uses fbgs to read pdf knows how to get a better display of fonts? Because it seems like the font of a very old typewriter. |
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| 05:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, I'm not sure... w32codecs might hook into other players as well these days |
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| 05:27.45 | Sergio` | It's not nitid and comfortable. |
| 05:27.52 | _Trinity_ | I'm ruynning ppc, and I don't think there's htat package for PPC. There used to be one for PPC by another name but it's not around for LEnny -last I checked and if I recall |
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| 05:28.13 | elik | So, I have two methods for copying over my /home to a new partition now. One using cpio, and the other plain old cp. It is making use of the -a flag, but cpio mentioned something about being better for links and stuff. Any thoughts |
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| 05:29.07 | hello | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-L-0s-7-Z0 |
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| 05:29.48 | _Trinity_ | There's thing I hate about OS X, but there's a few things that I really love. Flash support, and PDF editing on |
| 05:29.50 | _Trinity_ | OS X |
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| 05:30.55 | _Trinity_ | Skim |
| 05:31.43 | _Trinity_ | beats the pants off of flpsed |
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| 05:34.55 | hello | Freetards, face facts. You've lost. You've had sixteen years to try and build a desktop operating system, and you still can't get your shit together. Nobody wants your software. It's not Microsoft's fault. It's yours. Because trust me, if you truly developed a kick-ass OS with tens of thousands of drivers and easy installation and reliable performance, you'd be winning. But you're not. Firefox caught on, right? Why? Because it rocked. |
| 05:34.55 | hello | Desktop Linux, however, is a different story, and in your heart of hearts you know this. It's a bad imitation of Windows and can't even come close to OS X. Want more proof? India rejected the XO machine. Hardly anybody else is placing orders for Negroponte's miracle laptop, despite the low, low price of only one hundred dollars. Now the Chinese don't want Linux. They're not buying into your crazy crusade. Sorry. And you guys are starting to sound l |
| 05:35.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, I wouldn't know that... as w32codecs possibly still somehow derive from windows codecs - still, you can easily enough check but adding debian-multimedia to your sources.list and checking (I wonder if dmm has all archs anyway, but I guess you'd find out :) |
| 05:35.35 | mee | prepared troll is prepared |
| 05:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I knew he would troll away when he pasted some youtube link |
| 05:36.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | (without looking what it is, obviously) |
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| 05:37.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, well, there is ppc in there |
| 05:39.01 | _Trinity_ | true, but not w32codecs for ppc. Let me check right now |
| 05:39.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | _Trinity_, yes, I just looked it up... to our only mild surprise, w32codes isn't for ppc |
| 05:40.27 | _Trinity_ | Sidenote: What is this building you've done to incorporate more format support? |
| 05:40.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | still... the 306 packages here http://debian-multimedia.org/dists/stable/main/binary-powerpc compared to the 334 for i386 mean it's only one of a few that are missing |
| 05:41.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 05:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you might still give mplayer a try... even without w32codecs I think it might play more formats than vlc |
| 05:42.42 | _Trinity_ | sombody mentioned compilin multimedia --or so I thought that's what they were getting at |
| 05:43.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | not me |
| 05:43.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | if I liked compiling so much, I'd run gentoo :-p |
| 05:43.51 | _Trinity_ | that was centHOGG |
| 05:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | elik, yes... anything but cpio... I never bothered to figure out it's options... never liked it |
| 05:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | tar... rsync |
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| 05:44.45 | _Trinity_ | last timeI spent the night compiling I updated my macports install and the next morning my laptop failed |
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| 05:45.09 | taras | why just use something that is based on xine? |
| 05:45.11 | _Trinity_ | the tech toldjme it was the video card, although I thought it was procesosr |
| 05:45.46 | elik | CutMeOwnThroat, same machine, and I want it to be as seemless as possible (meaning, I don't want all times to be as of today) |
| 05:46.00 | _Trinity_ | so no, I don't like compiling code either |
| 05:46.58 | _Trinity_ | still, I'll compile little things here and there |
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| 05:53.09 | _Trinity_ | for those using dmm what pin priority rating are you giving stable and dmm? |
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| 05:55.04 | jacky | Hello |
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| 05:57.12 | centHOGG | b |
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| 05:58.11 | centHOGG | <handbrake stable |
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| 06:05.07 | macrobat | i'd like to see the man page for nspluginwrapper. can i do that without installing it? |
| 06:05.35 | centHOGG | macrobat: can you use google for the manpage? |
| 06:05.58 | _Trinity_ | dido |
| 06:07.00 | macrobat | like http://debian.manpages.google.com? |
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| 06:08.04 | centHOGG | i use google advanced search with exact phrase "nspluginwrapper" and the rest "man page" |
| 06:09.15 | _Trinity_ | why not ask the project themselves if they 've published the man page online somewhere |
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| 06:09.47 | _Trinity_ | they shuold be on irc somewhere. I rememberthtey had a channel years ago |
| 06:10.05 | centHOGG | never used it |
| 06:10.31 | centHOGG | brb |
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| 06:13.27 | macrobat | idk, does lenny need "nspluginwrapper" to use flash? |
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| 06:14.45 | _Trinity_ | are you sure that's what the package is called on debian? |
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| 06:17.06 | plugd | 2/quit |
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| 06:19.22 | macrobat | im sure, im on sid. im admining my parents lenny box. i have to decide if i should uninstall the pkg |
| 06:20.00 | macrobat | meh, i'll just have my mother send me a copy of the man page |
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| 06:22.26 | _Trinity_ | night everyone |
| 06:22.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://manpages.debian.net/ |
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| 06:27.40 | macrobat | ty, Kamping_Kaiser :) nice to have bookmarked, i didnt find a manpage for nsplugblaaah though |
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| 06:28.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | macrobat: might only be for main (aka 'debian'). if it lacks man pages from main, I don't know what its doing :) |
| 06:28.33 | phidah | What's the easiest way to get PHP 5.3 up and running on debian? |
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| 06:34.23 | cheako | Hello, I painted myself in. I have an LVM ext4 root partition and I need to shrink it, I can't find a boot image that has both. |
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| 06:35.23 | cheako | Last I used was knoppix CD image from just 09/11/13. |
| 06:35.53 | cheako | It had no LVM support compiled for that kernel(...LVM not set). |
| 06:35.54 | saltthefries | cheako, have you tried a recent build of the squeeze installer? |
| 06:36.15 | cheako | saltthefries: Genius... but are the resize tools there? |
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| 06:37.31 | saltthefries | cheako: I'm not sure... I think so... I suggest going through the expert recovery mode |
| 06:39.10 | saltthefries | cheako, it definitely has parted, and I used it last week to chroot into my LVM. Do you need anything else? |
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| 06:40.04 | cheako | That might work. |
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| 06:40.22 | cheako | Can I get a USB image? |
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| 06:42.02 | saltthefries | cheako, yeah, there's a usb image... you put the boot files on there and the latest squeeze netinst iso |
| 06:42.39 | cheako | You are right, I just did that for lenny. |
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| 07:09.45 | hid3nax | Hello everyone. Anyone common with radius here? My radius server requires ms-chap2 encryption to be passed. How can I test if a user suceeds to authenticate with `radtest'? If I use `radtest user pass HOST NAS SECRET' it sends a request to radius with just plaintext password, doesn't encrrypt it to ms-chap2. Am I missing something? |
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| 07:11.23 | nas | have u changed the encryption in your radius config file? |
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| 07:12.36 | brick | how should i change the man(1) pager so that i can back up, etc.? (i'd google but "man" is a tough term to query for) |
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| 07:13.27 | hid3nax | nas: no. My radiusd has worked for over a year accepting only ms-chap2 |
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| 07:13.47 | hid3nax | But I dunno how to test the auth with radtest (it doesn't use ms-chap2) |
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| 07:14.14 | [RUsh] | Hello. Is it possible to store mounts (fstab) in ldap directory? Here is the directory structure for it (http://wiki.debian.org/LDAPFormatFstab), but I don't understand how to tell debian to mount fs from directory |
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| 07:21.03 | ctmjr | brick: did you try man pager or are you talking about something else |
| 07:23.13 | brick | ctmjr, i meant that man(1) is using more(1) and i'm going to either change that or figure out why 'b' won't back up on man pages |
| 07:23.37 | brick | OK, i admit i only assumed it was using more. |
| 07:24.22 | brick | /usr/bin/pager -> /etc/alternatives/pager -> /usr/bin/more |
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| 07:29.14 | ctmjr | brick: so your saying man is using more instead of less when you open a man page or am i totally confused |
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| 07:29.50 | brick | ctmjr, i can see now how to change it to less... i might just change it to vi... lesseee here |
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| 08:04.17 | nsadmin | for example I don't want a close-window shortcut |
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| 08:04.19 | newsense | can someone help me out with xorg and nvidia on squeeze ? |
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| 08:04.45 | newsense | fresh install, i followed instructions but have no xorg.conf |
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| 08:05.00 | nsadmin | what happens when you run X |
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| 08:05.34 | newsense | nsadmin: well kdm never starts, i use a dm |
| 08:05.47 | nsadmin | so do this... |
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| 08:06.14 | nsadmin | X > x.log 2>&1 (NOT yet!) |
| 08:06.16 | newsense | well i get no screens found if i run startx |
| 08:06.41 | nsadmin | if you get in, ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 08:06.42 | krion | hi |
| 08:06.49 | nsadmin | then pastebin x.log either way |
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| 08:07.09 | nsadmin | show that pastebin url here and on #nvidia |
| 08:07.13 | newsense | nsadmin: ok let me install pastebinit |
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| 08:07.31 | newsense | whats the app for console mouse ? i forget |
| 08:07.39 | nsadmin | gpm? |
| 08:07.42 | newsense | yep |
| 08:07.44 | newsense | thanks |
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| 08:08.14 | newsense | give me a few |
| 08:08.20 | nsadmin | alternatively you may already have a suitable log file |
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| 08:08.43 | newsense | im sure i do |
| 08:08.57 | newsense | im no x-pert though so i canrt be sure |
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| 08:10.46 | newsense | theres not much to pastebin |
| 08:10.54 | newsense | no screens found |
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| 08:11.09 | newsense | (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 08:11.12 | newsense | (EE) No devices detected. |
| 08:11.32 | newsense | thats all the important info it had |
| 08:11.37 | nsadmin | cat x.log | wc -l |
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| 08:12.01 | newsense | 26 lines |
| 08:12.10 | newsense | err words |
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| 08:12.26 | patterson | hank |
| 08:12.29 | patterson | 14th arrondissement |
| 08:12.47 | patterson | tuesday |
| 08:13.07 | newsense | more |
| 08:13.33 | nsadmin | you did wc -l right? (that would be lines) |
| 08:13.34 | newsense | oops |
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| 08:13.57 | newsense | yeah 26 lines |
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| 08:14.26 | nsadmin | that is pretty small |
| 08:14.33 | nsadmin | let's see... |
| 08:14.41 | nsadmin | !nvidia |
| 08:14.41 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 08:14.50 | newsense | there were more words but wasn't errors sorry |
| 08:15.28 | nsadmin | np, just wanted to get a vague idea how big the whole log was |
| 08:15.31 | mastro | how do I create a debian package with only data? (no compile, no script, just data). Example: I want to create a package that install a script un /usr/bin/myscript.sh. Unsigned package... just to keep track i'm adding something in my system and to be able to remove/reinstall it easily... thanks |
| 08:15.36 | newsense | nsadmin: i followed all of it besides configuring xorg cause i have none |
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| 08:15.54 | nsadmin | let's try... |
| 08:16.02 | nsadmin | !nvidia squeeze |
| 08:16.02 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 08:16.09 | newsense | i'm used to having one where i could install the source compile the driver and edit the config |
| 08:16.19 | Coudy | Hi, I have problem with ClamFS and ACL , I can't read folder on clamfs mount poit, but I can read it on source mount point |
| 08:16.21 | nsadmin | you are running squeeze? |
| 08:16.25 | newsense | yes |
| 08:16.51 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 08:17.17 | nsadmin | wait, you're ok with non-3d? |
| 08:17.37 | newsense | nsadmin: yeah i could care less |
| 08:17.46 | nsadmin | try modprobe nv |
| 08:17.58 | newsense | doesnt load anything no module |
| 08:18.09 | nsadmin | so it shows a message? |
| 08:18.16 | newsense | yeah |
| 08:18.23 | nsadmin | "no module" or words to that effect? |
| 08:18.27 | newsense | FATAL: module not found |
| 08:18.30 | nsadmin | ok |
| 08:18.40 | nsadmin | try modprobe nvidia |
| 08:18.45 | newsense | it loads |
| 08:18.58 | newsense | its loaded now and used by agpdart i believe |
| 08:19.24 | nsadmin | ok, try X > x.log 2>&1 (remember ctrl-alt-bksp to get out) |
| 08:19.24 | newsense | s/agpdart/agpgart |
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| 08:20.09 | newsense | same error |
| 08:20.20 | newsense | doesnt load x |
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| 08:20.41 | nsadmin | you're using X right (note cap) |
| 08:20.46 | Coudy | How to mount ClamFS with ACL ? |
| 08:21.02 | newsense | yes |
| 08:21.14 | nsadmin | ok... just making sure |
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| 08:21.34 | newsense | nsadmin: you might not remember me but i remember you and appreciate your help but i'm not a newb, just new to the changes in xorg |
| 08:21.37 | nsadmin | try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:21.55 | newsense | you can just tell me what you need to know |
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| 08:22.02 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 08:22.49 | newsense | nothing |
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| 08:23.22 | nsadmin | I'll do that... and I request a little verbosity on your part |
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| 08:24.19 | newsense | nsadmin: yes sir |
| 08:24.23 | nsadmin | is there now a /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 08:24.24 | newsense | i appreciate it |
| 08:24.27 | nsadmin | thanks :) |
| 08:24.51 | newsense | i have had major problems in the last few months so i couldnt be at the computer |
| 08:25.05 | nsadmin | these days it's normal to have a zero-length xorg.conf |
| 08:25.46 | nsadmin | I do recall your nick |
| 08:25.51 | newsense | a lot has seemed to have changed so i'll be happy to get x working again so i can at least browse the web using iceweasel. links2 is alright but... |
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| 08:26.10 | nsadmin | yeah, I know that deal :) |
| 08:26.34 | nsadmin | were you able to get gpm going? |
| 08:27.30 | newsense | nsadmin: yeah i got that going |
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| 08:28.04 | newsense | im looking through my xorg logs and all i see is xorg trying different servers |
| 08:28.26 | newsense | and obviously failing |
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| 08:29.19 | newsense | not sure what has changed since i have been away but it's obvious something has |
| 08:29.45 | nsadmin | let's see, could you show the line about your video card from lspci -nn |
| 08:29.57 | nsadmin | the pciid is there' |
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| 08:30.12 | nsadmin | judd knows pciids |
| 08:30.12 | judd | nsadmin: Error: "knows" is not a valid command. |
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| 08:30.31 | nsadmin | judd seems to know not, but really, it does |
| 08:30.32 | judd | nsadmin: Error: "seems" is not a valid command. |
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| 08:31.11 | newsense | 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation C77 [GeForce 8200] |
| 08:31.16 | newsense | [10de:0849] (rev a2) |
| 08:31.17 | Dark-Rain | morning |
| 08:31.31 | nsadmin | judd pciid 10de:0849 |
| 08:31.32 | judd | nsadmin: [10de:0849] is 'C77 [GeForce 8200]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0849 |
| 08:31.37 | newsense | it's integrated gpu |
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| 08:32.29 | nsadmin | is not sure how the fb stuff hooks up |
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| 08:33.39 | newsense | loaded that module instead with no luck |
| 08:34.18 | nsadmin | missing module? |
| 08:34.21 | nsadmin | or? |
| 08:34.40 | jelly | nsadmin: fb stuff is like "don't havee fb and xorg at the same time, especially with nonfree xorg drivers" |
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| 08:35.20 | nsadmin | jelly: would you care to take over? I do have an nvidia, but I'm not sure how things fit lately |
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| 08:36.20 | newsense | nsadmin: thanks for your help, i'm not sure how this works these days either now, i'm sure the driver is fine but xorg is the culprit |
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| 08:37.36 | kasimon | Hi! Is there a web frontend for reprepro-managed custom repositories? |
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| 08:41.38 | jelly | newsense: the usual procedure is to pastebin /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 08:42.01 | jelly | newsense: also try #xorg, or #nvidia if you're using nonfree drivers |
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| 08:42.34 | nsadmin | he says 3d doesn't concern him, so I guess he could go either way |
| 08:43.32 | jelly | newsense: I _think_ framebuffer device is xorg's last resort whne autodetecting, so what you pasted is not relevant, it doesn't point to actual cause |
| 08:43.55 | valdyn | nvidafb breaks nvidia proprietary drivers |
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| 08:45.03 | valdyn | but iirc nvidia will not even load with nvidiafb loaded |
| 08:47.27 | newsense | jelly,nsadmin: thank you for your help, i finally used nvidia-xconfig to write an xorg.conf and it worked |
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| 08:47.58 | nsadmin | glad it worked out |
| 08:48.26 | newsense | that's all i was missing but didn't know how to generate one these days |
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| 08:48.50 | newsense | btw great to be back and see some farmiliar nicks |
| 08:48.59 | nsadmin | it did look like the drivers and hardware was all working |
| 08:49.15 | newsense | yeah i thought the same |
| 08:49.48 | nsadmin | normally when I start in I try to rule hardware problem in or out as early as possible |
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| 08:50.55 | newsense | same here, i repair computers on the side and usually check all fans first and remove any dust |
| 08:51.27 | newsense | i don't even care what the original problem was |
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| 08:52.45 | newsense | so debian is still using init huh |
| 08:53.29 | nsadmin | that upstart thing is either in experimental or made it into sid |
| 08:53.46 | saltthefries | I use upstart on my squeeze install... it was taking way too long to load with sysvinit |
| 08:54.14 | nsadmin | so upstart is faster |
| 08:54.20 | nsadmin | ? |
| 08:54.28 | saltthefries | it is for me, and it's in squeeze now |
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| 08:54.47 | newsense | i figured when i got back on the computer after all these months upstart would be in debian testing |
| 08:54.59 | newsense | it is |
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| 08:55.25 | newsense | man i got a lotta catching up to do |
| 08:55.34 | saltthefries | I did several things to hack down the init process, because it was taking me 90 seconds to boot |
| 08:56.11 | saltthefries | upstart boots by following a dependency process instead of a straight sequence |
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| 08:57.05 | newsense | so is there a directory for services to be started like with init ? |
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| 08:57.27 | saltthefries | yeah, that's still there |
| 08:57.30 | newsense | does it work similar to init as far as managing it ? |
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| 08:58.39 | saltthefries | From what I've seen, it does. There are some additional settings for dependencies that I haven't messed with. |
| 08:59.26 | hark | dependency based booting will be the default for squeeze |
| 08:59.33 | newsense | is it as simple as aptitude install upstart and reboot ? |
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| 09:00.43 | saltthefries | pretty much... apt will remove sysvinit first and it'll ask you to type something like "I know what I am doing is probably a very bad idea" before going ahead |
| 09:00.56 | newsense | haha |
| 09:01.03 | newsense | yeah sounds about right |
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| 09:01.27 | newsense | i don't know how much i trust that |
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| 09:02.25 | saltthefries | well, I'd recommend having boot media to go in and fix the init system if it's your only computer |
| 09:02.42 | sweetandy | How might I tell apt to mark all packages currently marked for auto-remove as plz-dont-remove-kthxbai? |
| 09:02.49 | newsense | i coulde provide boot media to a small country :) |
| 09:02.50 | sweetandy | Aptitude wants to remove most of gnome |
| 09:03.07 | saltthefries | you don't want the power to get cut right after you kill your sysvinit... good |
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| 09:22.23 | bolt | 50 users just offered to send me a file called bounceattack.txt |
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| 09:23.12 | sphenxes | i have 2 computers hostA and hostB. I can reach host B from hostA without a problem but I would like to copy files from hostB to hostA. My problem that i have webmin with iptables. how can I open ssh port on webmin firewall? |
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| 09:23.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | !webmin |
| 09:23.41 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 09:24.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | So I doubt you'll get much help with it here |
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| 09:45.48 | hvnqke_work | I use a sample bashrc for colouring the commandline. it works on all users on the system except for one. the bashrc is in his home dir, but it only takes effect if he logs in and manually types "bash" |
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| 09:57.04 | Shadur | curses up a storm. Dammit, GPL's all nice and great, but now I've got a dell server I can't install Lenny on because someone decided the bnx2 firmware should be in non-free and thus not included in the lenny netinst CD. |
| 09:58.05 | petemc | whats preventing you from adding the firmware? |
| 09:58.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | don't blame the GPL, blame the DFSG |
| 09:58.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | and d-i supports loading firmware from exernal media |
| 09:58.34 | petemc | or blame broadcom |
| 09:59.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | petemc: sounds like the best option actually |
| 09:59.41 | Shadur | petemc: I've got the firmware downloaded to a USB drive, but the installer process only lets me load third-party data from a floppy. |
| 09:59.48 | petemc | eh? |
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| 10:00.04 | petemc | ive installed on plenty of dells |
| 10:00.12 | petemc | !installer firmware |
| 10:00.12 | dpkg | The Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick. See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html . To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
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| 10:02.23 | Shadur | Thanks. |
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| 10:03.10 | Shadur | Kamping_Kaiser: I'm using the netboot installer and the option isn't in the graphical installer. I'll go through the expert options while I'm cooking a new netinst CD. |
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| 10:12.39 | saltthefries | hvnqke_work: have you checked what the user's default shell in /etc/passwd is? It's all I can think of. |
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| 10:13.08 | tkmsr | I want to know the latest sources.lst |
| 10:13.12 | tkmsr | to update Debian |
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| 10:17.04 | tkmsr | yes |
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| 10:20.09 | cantoma | guys, since i started trying to setup a DNS server with bind my internet connection got extremely slow. Could it be related? Even apt-get update takes almost a minute and before was taking 1 second. |
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| 10:20.46 | Phil4 | cantoma, mine slows down if my nameserver is getting hammered |
| 10:20.58 | Phil4 | check with tcpdump what's going in and out |
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| 10:22.57 | rvsjoen | cantoma: what's taking time, the actual updates or the name lookups ? |
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| 10:27.41 | slope | I have a Logitech Chillstream USB gamepad and I need to map the keys in snes9x. How do I make sure my snes9x config is correct for my gamepad? For example I can't find the Start key on th e gamepad, tried pressing every button. This is the part of the config that concerns the gamepad http://pastebin.com/d5a46e9f And to clarify (sorry for the long question) I guess I need to find out what number each button on the gamepad has, right? |
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| 10:29.58 | cantoma | rvsjoen, Phil4, I run tcpdump while trying to open a youtube.com page. The connection says for some seconds looking up youtube.blabla. I am not shore if it is related to the who-has in the log. |
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| 10:30.33 | Phil4 | oh, so your internet connection isn't slow your lookups are |
| 10:30.56 | Phil4 | is your Debian machine using the local nameserver for lookups? |
| 10:31.06 | cantoma | Phil4, i am not shore |
| 10:31.22 | Phil4 | what does /etc/resolv.conf say? |
| 10:31.58 | cantoma | Phil4, http://pastebin.com/mdea78ce |
| 10:32.17 | Phil4 | so no |
| 10:32.37 | Phil4 | run a 'host google.com 127.0.0.1' |
| 10:32.41 | Phil4 | see how quick it executes |
| 10:32.43 | Phil4 | if at all |
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| 10:33.23 | cantoma | jduro@ssxp34089c:~$ host google.com 127.0.0.1 ---------->>> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 10:34.00 | Phil4 | so your local nameserver isn't working, anyway |
| 10:34.09 | cantoma | Phil4, kind of |
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| 10:34.25 | Phil4 | host google.com 138.250.50.41 |
| 10:34.28 | Phil4 | is that fast ^^? |
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| 10:34.43 | cantoma | Phil4, very fast |
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| 10:35.08 | Phil4 | and 'host google.com 138.250.54.20'? |
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| 10:35.19 | cantoma | Phil4, as well |
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| 10:35.57 | cantoma | Phil4, so host google.com 127.0.0.1 should be working as well |
| 10:36.32 | Phil4 | run: tcpdump -nvv 'udp && port 53' |
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| 10:36.46 | Phil4 | and try http://127dot0dot0dot1.com/ in your browser |
| 10:36.52 | Phil4 | and then pastebin the tcpdump output |
| 10:36.56 | Phil4 | see what it's actually querying |
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| 10:40.06 | cantoma | Phil4, http://pastebin.com/m52b13ea7 it shows the website in the log, but I am not shore if it is doing it in the right way |
| 10:40.28 | cantoma | on line 3 |
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| 10:40.36 | Phil4 | was the lookup still slow? |
| 10:41.11 | cantoma | yes |
| 10:41.30 | cantoma | I could see for some seconds looking up |
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| 10:42.18 | Phil4 | is a 'host test.com' fast? |
| 10:42.31 | cantoma | its fast |
| 10:43.17 | Phil4 | tcpdump -nvv -i lo 'udp && port 53' |
| 10:43.26 | Phil4 | do that and try http://server1.germanserver.co.uk/ in your browser |
| 10:43.33 | Phil4 | then pastebin output again |
| 10:43.42 | Phil4 | if there is any |
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| 10:44.58 | cantoma | Phil4, zero |
| 10:45.12 | cantoma | no output |
| 10:45.17 | Phil4 | then I have no clue |
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| 10:45.25 | Phil4 | FF is querying the right nameservers |
| 10:45.32 | Phil4 | which we've proved to be fast |
| 10:45.59 | cantoma | Phil4, one thing that is most annoying is to load the google page |
| 10:46.17 | cantoma | before i give a click in home and it loads the page in less than a second |
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| 10:46.32 | cantoma | now it takes around 3 seconds doing looking google.com |
| 10:47.23 | Phil4 | how about another browser? |
| 10:49.07 | cantoma | Phil4, epiphany looks ok |
| 10:49.29 | cantoma | Phil4, iceweasel is causing the trouble |
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| 10:49.34 | Phil4 | seems so |
| 10:49.40 | Phil4 | tried restarting it? |
| 10:49.58 | cantoma | Phil4, i tried a computer restart as well |
| 10:50.26 | Phil4 | cleared the cache etc.? |
| 10:50.34 | themill | This isn't one of these "ipv6 is annoying" problems is it? |
| 10:51.04 | cantoma | Phil4, i remember there was an website that openned loads of windows .. and i add to kill the browser .. not shore if its related |
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| 10:52.34 | cantoma | Phil4, i just clear it from the browser .. it still shows looking up google.com. Epiphany loads google page in less than a second |
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| 10:53.40 | Phil4 | type 'about:config' in the URL bar |
| 10:53.47 | Phil4 | and find 'network.dns.disableIPv6' and change it to true |
| 10:53.54 | Phil4 | and restart IceWeasel |
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| 10:59.40 | lnostdal | hm, i don't understand the evolution package setup .. why is evolution part of gnome-desktop-environment? it's an application .. meanwhile, gnome-core seems quite a bit stripped down; going for that instead of gnome-desktop-environment will render the system rather unusable |
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| 11:00.27 | cantoma | Phil4, i did that. I tried to benchmark iceweasel with epiphany. For instance I used www.cnn.com and www.nba.com. epiphany clearly opens both pages first. |
| 11:00.46 | Phil4 | no clue, cantoma |
| 11:00.48 | Phil4 | try FF support |
| 11:00.56 | cantoma | Phil4, thanks for the help |
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| 11:01.14 | dvinchi | cantoma, use chrome |
| 11:01.23 | cantoma | dvinchi, is it available? |
| 11:01.29 | dvinchi | yes |
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| 11:02.41 | cantoma | dvinchi, Google Chrome for Linux is in development* and a team of engineers is working hard to bring it to you as soon as possible. |
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| 11:03.54 | dvinchi | cantoma, read , search fot that is Google |
| 11:04.15 | dvinchi | cantoma, download Chrome http://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-unstable_current_i386.deb |
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| 11:04.29 | cantoma | dvinchi, i have a 64bit distro |
| 11:04.45 | dvinchi | http://dl.google.com/linux/direct/google-chrome-unstable_current_amd64.deb |
| 11:04.49 | dvinchi | dont cry |
| 11:04.53 | dvinchi | there is |
| 11:04.55 | cantoma | dvinchi, i only use stable stuff |
| 11:05.05 | dvinchi | ;) |
| 11:05.07 | JAM` | hello, can someone help me get an FTP server up and running on my debian box? :x |
| 11:05.08 | dvinchi | wharever |
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| 11:05.12 | dvinchi | ~next |
| 11:05.12 | apt | somebody said next was NEXT! |
| 11:05.38 | dvinchi | JAM`, yes |
| 11:05.46 | JAM` | :D |
| 11:05.50 | cantoma | dvinchi, for unstable right now I am annoyed with iceweasel |
| 11:06.02 | JAM` | I tried following this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/383 but it didn't really work out |
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| 11:06.22 | JAM` | I just need basic FTP access, so me and my boss can throw stuff up if we need online storage for some reason |
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| 11:07.11 | dvinchi | JAM`, ok |
| 11:07.18 | macrobat | slope: maybe xev can read gamepad input |
| 11:07.32 | dvinchi | if you have debian lenny |
| 11:07.50 | dvinchi | JAM`, sudo apt-get install vsftpd noip2 |
| 11:08.01 | JAM` | ok |
| 11:08.24 | cantoma | Phil4, i will hang around with epiphany for a while to fell the speed again :) |
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| 11:20.54 | freebse | hi I just updated sid... now compiz is gone with radeon driver, was working before, I get fallback to metacity, while direct rendering is working all right... I can write a bug report, but maybe the problem is known allready... ATI x300, radeon driver |
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| 11:21.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | freebse: check the bts |
| 11:21.32 | cls`work | freebse: the only answer you'll probably be getting here is; don't use sid |
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| 11:23.03 | freebse | also I can not watch flash in fullscreen, it lags real bad since the update, the whole system is just unusable in this state |
| 11:23.12 | nsadmin | freebse: sid isn't supported here, except: you have to learn to solve problems; if you don't know about the bts, you need to get to know it... if you do, then you need to know it better, and right now (before asking any questions that start "does anyone know about a problem with" |
| 11:23.25 | nsadmin | ) |
| 11:23.26 | freebse | since 3D is working in games etc, I can not figure out what went wrong |
| 11:23.57 | cls`work | What's wrong is the fact you're running an -unstable- version of debian :) |
| 11:24.07 | nsadmin | obviously the driver is working and drm is probably working too |
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| 11:24.45 | nsadmin | no, there's nothing wrong with that. his machine, his choice |
| 11:25.22 | nsadmin | but as a result of that choice, he is now going to learn problem solving (or hire programmers) |
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| 11:28.59 | freebse | I am trying to use fglrx now, but actually I don't want to use closed source |
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| 11:36.48 | freebse | thx anyways, I am going to write a bug report on this matter, I just wanted to know if someone has the same prob, some probs can be solved this way, I know that I don't get any support in here ;) |
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| 11:37.04 | jelly | freebse: compiz does some decent output at start telling what it tried and what failed. Perhaps you could start by pastebinning that complete output. |
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| 11:42.25 | freebse | nsadmin: that is no prob at all, it is not my main system, I would never run sid on that ;) |
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| 11:43.05 | qp_pq | suppose I need an un-assisted debian install |
| 11:43.10 | qp_pq | can I do this ? |
| 11:43.14 | petemc | !preseed |
| 11:43.14 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, without having to manually enter the answers while the installation is running. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a complete example. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
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| 11:44.25 | hark | freebse: pastebin your xorg log and the output of compiz --replace |
| 11:46.25 | freebse | hark: the problem is known, I found bug reports, but since you ask for it ;) |
| 11:47.34 | freebse | http://paste.debian.net/51805/ |
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| 11:49.10 | freebse | http://paste.debian.net/51806/ |
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| 11:51.11 | P_Kable_ | hello, how do I run a script run.sh to get terminal back after ? please |
| 11:51.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | pardon? |
| 11:51.50 | hark | freebse: install firmware-linux, restart X and try again |
| 11:52.02 | P_Kable_ | I need to run a script run.sh but it won't give me terminal back |
| 11:52.18 | P_Kable_ | my terminal* |
| 11:52.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | tried to press ctrl+c |
| 11:52.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | although you should be trying to work out why it won't return the terminal |
| 11:52.52 | freebse | P_Kable_: ad & after the command |
| 11:52.55 | P_Kable_ | ctrl+c will kill the exec Kamping_Kaiser |
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| 11:53.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | P_Kable_: yes it will |
| 11:53.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | P_Kable_: freebse 's suggestion is probably what your after |
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| 11:54.55 | hark | freebse: i'm sorry, install firmware-linux-nonfree instead |
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| 11:55.24 | hark | freebse: it's in non-free |
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| 11:57.42 | freebse | hark: I did have that installed, the update removed it, I am doing this right now... |
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| 12:02.04 | Andorin | Hey, guys, when I use my volume control keys, I see the small window come up that indicates that my volume is changing, but it stays at the same level of loudness. What gives? |
| 12:02.28 | Andorin | It was working before, and just randomly started to do this. |
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| 12:02.55 | dpy | hi guys |
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| 12:03.30 | freebse | hark: thx a lot, is working, but can you please explain what this did, I hate sollutions which I can not understand, anyway problem solved :) |
| 12:04.12 | saltthefries | Andorin: look at alsamixer. There's a master and a PCM volume control. Whatever gui you are using might only be changing one. |
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| 12:04.24 | hark | freebse: direct rendering was disabled for you because you didn't have the firmware |
| 12:04.34 | hark | Andorin: is this gnome? |
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| 12:04.43 | Andorin | Ahaaaaa. |
| 12:04.46 | dpy | I want to spawn a X server on VT9, on normal distros I therefore add the line "9:5:respawn:/opt/bin/customX.sh" to /etc/inittab ... Since debian does not have an /etc/inittab, how do I achieve the same in debian? |
| 12:05.00 | Andorin | It's changing my Mic level, not my volume. Weird. |
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| 12:05.26 | freebse | hark: but why did it say enabled when I tried to run anything else besides compiz, hm ... anyway thx a lot |
| 12:05.27 | benedikt | If i swap hard drives in a computer (smaller one in favour of a larger one), what is the best way to copy my install between them? Copy the files between drives and re-install grub? |
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| 12:05.34 | themill | dpy: what sort of debian doesn't have /etc/inittab? |
| 12:06.00 | Andorin | saltthefries: You're right- it's not changing the right device. Course, now I get to try to figure out how to change it back. |
| 12:06.02 | freebse | benedikt: dd the whole drive and reinstall grub |
| 12:06.20 | dpy | themill: okay, I'm actually referring to ubuntu 9.04, but that's based on debian |
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| 12:06.35 | benedikt | freebse: if i dd it, the partition will be as small as the original drive |
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| 12:06.45 | themill | dpy: well, debian *does* have /etc/inittab, so that's pretty clearly a question for #ubuntu isn't it? |
| 12:07.03 | themill | dpy: In fact, any question about an ubuntu machine is a question for #ubuntu not #debian. |
| 12:07.04 | freebse | benedikt: ok sorry didn't get that |
| 12:07.08 | dpy | themill: ok, I was taking it to the source.. but if it's ubuntu specific, then you are quite right, sry |
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| 12:07.17 | benedikt | !tell dpy about ubuntu |
| 12:07.33 | themill | dpy: debian is not "the source" anyway -- ubuntu is if you are running ubuntu. |
| 12:07.47 | dpy | ok |
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| 12:07.51 | Andorin | Yeah, the two are different, despite their similarity. |
| 12:08.02 | dpy | themill: I stand corrected |
| 12:08.08 | benedikt | cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb - would that work? |
| 12:08.43 | hark | freebse: you can tell from lines 616 and 619 of your paste |
| 12:08.44 | jpinx-eeepc | benedikt: dd the drive? |
| 12:08.55 | freebse | benedikt: besides I am allways using this method and after that gparted and resize the partition, but maybe there is a better way :) |
| 12:09.23 | benedikt | jpinx-eeepc: dd will leave the drive the same size as the original one. |
| 12:09.47 | jpinx-eeepc | benedikt: you can resize after |
| 12:09.57 | benedikt | i didnt know what. with gparted? |
| 12:10.04 | benedikt | (as freebse said) |
| 12:10.14 | jpinx-eeepc | resize2fs - iirc |
| 12:10.27 | freebse | that's the sollution that I use, cp could also work, but not on a running system I guess |
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| 12:12.12 | jpinx-eeepc | benedikt: or you can accept the original partition size and add the rest of the space on the new hdd as a separate data area and mount it for use |
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| 12:13.27 | freebse | benedikt: I am used to slices, but normally you don't need a bigger /, what you need is a bigger /home under normal circumstances |
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| 12:14.26 | Andorin | saltthefries: I fixed it by poking around the sound properties. Thanks! |
| 12:15.17 | benedikt | freebse: i usually just have one larg /, i dont like the idea that I might run out of space anyware |
| 12:15.17 | ootput | benedikt: why don't you just rsync the files over? |
| 12:15.25 | ootput | benedikt: and then grub-install |
| 12:15.29 | saltthefries | Andorin: You're welcome. I remember almost buying new speakers once because my PCM volume was set to 0... |
| 12:15.31 | benedikt | ootput: and then grub-install? |
| 12:15.37 | Andorin | ^^; |
| 12:15.42 | benedikt | ootput: thats probably the easiest way |
| 12:15.45 | freebse | benedikt: I have 10GB / and do never run out of space so far ;) |
| 12:16.11 | benedikt | freebse: that takes 10GB away from my /home that i might need there ;) |
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| 12:17.06 | freebse | benedikt: lol ok then, I am used to Unix partitioning anyways, so I have /usr /boot /etc all on seperate partitions ;) |
| 12:18.23 | jpinx-eeepc | benedikt: if you are not familiar with drive and filesystem manipulation from the commandline, do the rsync and reinstall grub |
| 12:18.29 | freebse | benedikt: not having /home seperate is stupid, I can change distros and come up with my former desktop in about an hour, haveing all on / does make this nearly impossible, but everyone should do what he wants ;) |
| 12:18.37 | DimmuR| | i'm installing debian lenny (using netinstall) and while install i get some package conflict and system writes (on 4th console) " in-target : Ignore or continue? Write "Yes" to continue, "No" to break. How can i write it yes? Installation has stopped in 13% |
| 12:18.54 | jpinx-eeepc | freebse: horses for courses ;) |
| 12:18.58 | hark | freebse: why have all on separate partitions. seems like such a pain |
| 12:19.28 | jpinx-eeepc | hark you do yours your way ;) |
| 12:19.31 | benedikt | freebse: this computer wont change distro or anything like that. its my girlfriends laptop and the current disk has a few too many bad sectors |
| 12:20.06 | freebse | hark: no this is because i am not running a normal installation, home is on a server and etc as well so I have the same environment on all my systems, and I got used to that in BSD ;) |
| 12:20.42 | benedikt | freebse: thats not ideal for a laptop :P |
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| 12:20.50 | hark | ok, don't see much of a point in that. better to use lvm instead. |
| 12:21.16 | freebse | hark: anyway, all stupid maybe, but you agree having /home on a seperate partition is a very good choice, just in case the system fails to boot etc |
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| 12:21.51 | freebse | benedikt: still /home needs to be on a seperate partition, makes it easier to reinstall |
| 12:22.40 | ootput | you could always use lvm and resize as you see fit |
| 12:22.47 | hark | sure /home is fine, but having _all_ separate partitions is overkill and a pain down the road imo |
| 12:22.51 | MorkBork | i usually just do / and /home on a desktop |
| 12:23.00 | hark | or i read too much into the all |
| 12:23.12 | MorkBork | have / reiser, /home ext3/4 |
| 12:23.14 | MorkBork | shrug |
| 12:23.22 | MorkBork | theres no wrong way to eat a reese |
| 12:23.23 | jpinx-eeepc | has only one partition for everything and no problems |
| 12:23.28 | MorkBork | rock on jpinx-eeepc |
| 12:24.50 | freebse | jpinx-eeepc: well then I just hope you never have a kernel panic etc... because then /home is gone as well during a clean reinstall, everything else is a pain in the &(%) |
| 12:25.34 | jpinx-eeepc | freebse: I have no issues - if I can't boot, I simply boot from a USB and read the files I need |
| 12:25.41 | MorkBork | thats what i do too |
| 12:25.46 | MorkBork | anyway a kernel panic isnt scary |
| 12:25.57 | MorkBork | grub has a shell |
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| 12:26.12 | freebse | jpinx-eeepc: that's one step more and I am lazzy ;) |
| 12:26.17 | jpinx-eeepc | over-complicating stuff is counter-productive |
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| 12:27.02 | jpinx-eeepc | fails to see how booting a USB is harder than reinstalling |
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| 12:29.45 | freebse | maybe so, I just changed distros from debian to ubuntu and back on some systems here, would be hard to do that without /home, but could just be me being so stupid to do crap like that ;) |
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| 12:30.21 | jpinx-eeepc | still fails to see the difficulty |
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| 12:31.40 | freebse | and another reason I can change from GNU/Linux to BSD and still have all my settings |
| 12:32.33 | cantido | Are there still issues with the Intel Xorg driver in testing and older chipset? - Basically has anyone got it working without crashing? |
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| 12:33.37 | freebse | cantido: I never got a Intel GMA 945 working nicely under xorg, it works but lags big time in performance |
| 12:34.22 | cantido | freebse: I think its a 945GM here.. it works with a "back build" of the 2.7.0 driver, but the 2.9.0 drivers make the whole machine lockup |
| 12:34.38 | cantido | freebse: I've upgraded a few times by mistake in the past :/ |
| 12:36.42 | freebse | cantido: I have this card in a low-budget laptop of a friend, it is a pain, I installed Windows Vista on it, because of all the problems with the performance, so far I have not found a sollution, it feels like using a PII 350 sometimes, I told him to not get such crappy hardware, so I don't really care |
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| 12:37.34 | cantido | I have a 2.16ghz generation macbook.. everything is fine, I just have to be careful with upgrading anything around X |
| 12:37.53 | cantido | compositing etc are fine unless I up the virtual size of the display for dual head |
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| 12:38.39 | freebse | cantido: after the experience with this thing, all hardware I will buy does have ATI |
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| 12:39.03 | cantido | thought intel stuff was well supported... |
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| 12:51.32 | thomasp | debian lenny, I've fooled around with OpenJDK6 and Sun's compiler, resulting in me removing everything and just installing sun's non-free compiler and runtime environment. but now the javac command from /usr/bin/javac doesn't work. says 'command not found'. have tried update-alternatives --config javac, but it says there's nothing to configure. it's installed with apt-get. is there something I can do to reset it or do I have to hardcode at symlink around |
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| 12:52.27 | hark | thomasp: use update-java-alternatives |
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| 12:54.13 | paseante | how do I build a .deb package if all I have is a .orig.tar.gz, .diff.gz, and a .dsc? |
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| 12:55.12 | DimmuR| | on installation debian lenny i can't get gpg keys - how can i manually install them upon installation? |
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| 12:55.22 | Lola-Khel | hi2u |
| 12:55.49 | Lola-Khel | DimmuR: Click Start > Control Panel > Sound settings |
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| 12:56.05 | naquad | hi |
| 12:56.12 | Lola-Khel | naquad: lol |
| 12:56.21 | naquad | ? |
| 12:56.36 | naquad | is there anything like chkconfig --list (in red hat) in debian? |
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| 12:57.08 | Lola-Khel | naquad: noop, sorry :) |
| 12:57.29 | thomasp | hark: does that work for javac too? I need to set with the -s which expects a .jinfo file |
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| 12:57.38 | firefly | Hi All |
| 12:57.47 | Lola-Khel | thomasp: only +v |
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| 12:57.54 | Lola-Khel | firefly: Hello buddy |
| 12:57.59 | firefly | My server got rooted :( |
| 12:58.02 | DimmuR| | Lola-Khel, i'm in installer |
| 12:58.12 | Lola-Khel | firefly: oh :( Burn it? :( |
| 12:58.15 | hark | thomasp: yes |
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| 12:58.27 | firefly | No they didn't burn it |
| 12:58.28 | hark | !tell thomasp about update-java-alternatives |
| 12:58.29 | Lola-Khel | DimmuR: restart installer |
| 12:58.35 | firefly | Phising the stuff!! |
| 12:58.41 | firefly | I am really upset about it though! |
| 12:58.43 | ivh | How is the software-raid-layout remebered for the next boot? (the root-fs is on the raid) |
| 12:58.46 | firefly | Its was totally locked down |
| 12:58.55 | firefly | They rooted it by hacking SSH2 |
| 12:58.59 | Lola-Khel | firefly: Next time use a bigger lock |
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| 12:59.02 | themill | Lola-Khel: are you here just to make noise or do you have something useful to contribute? |
| 12:59.11 | firefly | How do these things happen!! |
| 12:59.13 | firefly | ??? |
| 12:59.15 | Lola-Khel | themill: I'm giving everyone valuable info man :( |
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| 12:59.23 | cantido | firefly: hacked ssh2.. you mean you had weak passwords or keys? |
| 12:59.30 | Lola-Khel | firefly: By the will of God :O |
| 12:59.35 | themill | Lola-Khel: yeah, right. How about offering less of it. |
| 12:59.36 | firefly | Nooooooo |
| 12:59.42 | thomasp | thanks a lot, hark - couldn't find that information in the man pages by myself |
| 12:59.42 | Lola-Khel | themill: Sorry. Bye2u |
| 12:59.43 | firefly | So annoying! |
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| 12:59.52 | hark | DimmuR|: which key is it complaining about? |
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| 13:00.11 | firefly | I'm back |
| 13:00.20 | firefly | So anyone here an SSH2 expert? |
| 13:00.33 | firefly | I need your help!? Please... |
| 13:00.35 | cantido | firefly: ssh2 is a protocol.. |
| 13:00.47 | cantido | firefly: ask a real question and stop hitting return |
| 13:01.16 | DimmuR| | hark, keys from security.debian.org but i've chrooted into /target, manually updated apt and now seems that problem is gone |
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| 13:02.06 | hark | DimmuR|: ah you are installing |
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| 13:02.20 | ivh | I have rebuilt my raid after a crash, but at the next boot from it, the system wants to assemble the old layout and since the hashes have changed it cannot add the devices to the raid. Where is this saved? Not in the initrd, is it? |
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| 13:03.01 | firefly | cantido: Are you a bot by any chance? |
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| 13:03.17 | cantido | firefly: no |
| 13:03.45 | firefly | cantido: Are you a bot by any chance? |
| 13:03.54 | firefly | Sorry I missed the response, screen scrole |
| 13:03.58 | cantido | firefly: are you a moron by any chance? |
| 13:04.07 | themill | firefly: ask a real question and stop hitting return |
| 13:04.15 | firefly | Hostile! |
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| 13:05.04 | firefly | My server got rooted via ssh2, I am trying to figure out how it happened and was hopeing someone could point me in the right direction? |
| 13:05.14 | LjL | weak passwords? |
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| 13:05.25 | firefly | No |
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| 13:05.51 | jpinx-eeepc | firefly: what errors did you see or how did you notice the rooting? |
| 13:05.51 | firefly | auth.log shows some fancy hacking skills |
| 13:05.57 | LjL | are you sure? i mean, after all you *are* too lame to read BitchX.doc, according to you |
| 13:06.12 | cantido | firefly: unless the version of openssh (I presume) has remote exploits you either have weak keys or weak passwords |
| 13:06.43 | jpinx-eeepc | firefly: dictionary attack? |
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| 13:07.02 | cantido | firefly: and if it got rooted.. why would they leave logs around showing what they did. that would be silly |
| 13:07.17 | firefly | cantido: Its definatly rooted |
| 13:07.49 | jpinx-eeepc | firefly: you have given us no evidence of a rooted system |
| 13:07.50 | cantido | firefly: yes, and you say auth.log shows they had "haxor skills" but if they did have said skills why would they leave footprints |
| 13:08.02 | firefly | cantido: auth.log.0 shows the user they created and then arrigned to group root and /bash |
| 13:08.19 | firefly | *assigned |
| 13:08.28 | alcohol | could anyone perhaps recommend a nice/simple bind9 web admin ? I've googling for a bit but most are out of date or too bloated instead (like webmin) |
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| 13:08.56 | jpinx-eeepc | alcohol: bind is easy to admin from the cl |
| 13:09.07 | alcohol | jpinx-eeepc: I know, but they don't want that. |
| 13:09.13 | firefly | cantido: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for 52.117.178.220.broad.static.hf.ah.cndata.com failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
| 13:09.25 | cantido | firefly: maybe some other machine on the network has one of those bruteforcing scripts running.. that then bruteforce with any machines it compromises,.. but that would mean weak passwords/keys again |
| 13:09.58 | firefly | The passwords are definatly NOT week |
| 13:10.05 | jpinx-eeepc | alcohol: you can admin bind with includes and make a webpage interface in php |
| 13:10.15 | cantido | firefly: yes,.. that usually means some bruteforcing script. which is why people run fail2ban or denyhosts |
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| 13:10.27 | firefly | I see |
| 13:10.29 | alcohol | firefly: ssh2 related questions belong in #ssh |
| 13:10.38 | firefly | thanks for your help all |
| 13:10.41 | jorizma | looks like you got added to the slow ssh attack cloud's attack list |
| 13:10.46 | firefly | Sorry I am SUCH A MORON!!! |
| 13:10.52 | Titan8990 | firefly, if you run ssh on port 22, you are pretty much guaranteed to see some bruteforce attempts |
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| 13:11.13 | Titan8990 | firefly, install fail2ban, use public key auth, and set your IP in hosts.allow |
| 13:11.23 | cantido | firefly: for the last time. check that the version of openssh (I guess here, you could be using some other ssh server) has remote exploits (doubtful) you have weak keys, passwords or other authentication. |
| 13:11.48 | cantido | firefly: s/exploits/exploits, else/ |
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| 13:12.52 | jpinx-eeepc | alcohol: it depends on what kind of admin you want to do |
| 13:12.57 | alancio | question: how does one enable sshd in debian? |
| 13:13.03 | firefly | cantido: OpenSSH_3.4p1 |
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| 13:13.07 | cantido | firefly: a long time ago there was an issue with debian's openssl packages that cause lots of people to have weak keys. thats the only thing I can think of |
| 13:13.46 | jpinx-eeepc | alancio: install it ? |
| 13:13.50 | cantido | alancio: aptitude install openssh-server |
| 13:14.11 | alancio | ok, but don't I have to run chkconfig afterwards, or create links in /etc/rc?.d? |
| 13:14.12 | firefly | cantido: Yes, I remember that. |
| 13:14.15 | alcohol | jpinx-eeepc: found unxsBind, but it's for fedora I believe (installed through yum). don't know how hard it would be to get it running on debian. |
| 13:14.33 | jpinx-eeepc | alcohol: have fun;) |
| 13:14.56 | alcohol | haha, I guess that's a bad sign :p |
| 13:15.06 | jpinx-eeepc | alcohol: that opens up a can of worms that I have zero knowledge on |
| 13:15.09 | alcohol | it works with a bunch of cgi scripts and such |
| 13:15.14 | firefly | candido: I suspect a week key. |
| 13:15.19 | firefly | cadido: Accepted publickey for root from 89.136.77.160 port 1092 ssh2 |
| 13:15.21 | jpinx-eeepc | alcohol: is it working to a webpage? |
| 13:15.23 | alancio | I guess my question is: does chkconfig exist in debian? |
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| 13:15.30 | dscastro | morning... |
| 13:15.30 | alcohol | jpinx-eeepc: sorry? |
| 13:15.49 | firefly | candido: (pam_unix) session opened for user root by root(uid=0) |
| 13:16.00 | jpinx-eeepc | alcohol: what is the administrator using ? a webpage like webmin? |
| 13:16.17 | alcohol | jpinx-eeepc: no, quite different in layout |
| 13:16.44 | jpinx-eeepc | alcohol: but it *is* a webpage - right? |
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| 13:17.01 | alcohol | yes |
| 13:17.20 | jpinx-eeepc | alcohol: I used to admin bind with my own webpage - it was trivial to build |
| 13:17.26 | dscastro | i have a lenny VPS in xenserver, some time ago i instaled paravirtualized kernel and now i'm running apt-get upgrade to keep my system secure, but appears message sayng kernel image will be upgreaded! |
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| 13:17.54 | dscastro | who can i upgrade system without kernel image? are there some kind of "blacklist"? |
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| 13:18.14 | jpinx-eeepc | dscastro: pinning |
| 13:18.18 | petemc | dscastro: it should install an updated version of the xen kernel |
| 13:18.48 | rvsjoen | you can mark a package not to be upgraded if that is what you are asking |
| 13:19.00 | dscastro | rvalles, how? |
| 13:19.15 | petemc | put it on hold, but you shouldnt need to |
| 13:19.16 | jpinx-eeepc | dscastro: pinning |
| 13:19.36 | rvsjoen | aptitude hold, if I remember correctly |
| 13:19.41 | dscastro | petemc, i had installed via xentools |
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| 13:20.03 | dscastro | there isn't new packets for |
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| 13:20.23 | petemc | dscastro: so your kernel isnt part of the packaging system? |
| 13:20.24 | dscastro | rvsjoen, let me se.. thanks |
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| 13:21.05 | dscastro | petemc, yep, it was installed via xenserver packets |
| 13:21.15 | petemc | erm |
| 13:21.29 | petemc | i dont really follow, but whatever |
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| 13:24.28 | careta | is ther a way to lock out a user after X failed attempts to login through ssh? |
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| 13:24.54 | petemc | careta: there are apps like denyhosts or fail2ban |
| 13:25.04 | petemc | which do that.. |
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| 13:27.39 | careta | thanks petermc |
| 13:27.56 | ethanol | ZanGi here is spreading porno links guys |
| 13:28.13 | ethanol | thanks to my crap isp line everytime I rejoined I get an invite to some turkish porn site |
| 13:28.19 | dscastro | petemc, can i run aptitute upgrade periodically ? |
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| 13:28.34 | careta | however i have a big problem now: i was doing a safe-upgrade through ssh and the connection was dropped, not apt is complaining it can't get a lock on the admin directory... |
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| 13:29.14 | petemc | dscastro: sure, provided you're using debian packages you should generally be fine |
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| 13:29.36 | dscastro | ok,, |
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| 13:29.39 | petemc | careta: kill any dpkg processes and restart it, it should pick up where it left off, and use screen before you start it next time |
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| 13:30.15 | careta | petemc, i killed the process but it still doesn't get a lock |
| 13:30.37 | petemc | careta: i assume you're root? |
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| 13:31.43 | careta | petemc, i got it, there was still a dpkg process. thanks |
| 13:31.51 | petemc | np |
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| 13:32.31 | simonrvn | yeh, he's right, check out that username ... |
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| 13:39.46 | omg_onoez | i met probably somee noob difficults, while trying to compile rt2x00 driver from rt2x00.serialmonkey.com git http://pastebin.com/m427c3621 |
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| 13:40.11 | omg_onoez | may be i should set some variables, but i'm not sure, thx and sorry for my english |
| 13:40.13 | ethanol | anyone here care to commend on powerdns or mydns ? |
| 13:40.23 | ethanol | s/commend/comment/ |
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| 13:40.52 | jpinx-eeepc | ethanol: this is #debian for debian support - not general chat |
| 13:42.21 | ethanol | my bad |
| 13:42.26 | ethanol | is there a general channel for debian users? |
| 13:42.38 | jpinx-eeepc | ethanol: #debian-offtopic |
| 13:42.39 | ethanol | offtopic I take it? |
| 13:42.41 | ethanol | heads there |
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| 13:45.22 | saltthefries | omg_onoez: do you have build-essential? Is there a reason why you're not using module-assistant? |
| 13:45.57 | omg_onoez | saltthefries, yep, i did m-a prepare |
| 13:47.04 | omg_onoez | saltthefries, i'm not using module assistant because there is no source package for this driver in repos and i don't know how to build it from already existing dir with sources |
| 13:47.48 | ethanol | can I use aptitude search to specifically search in backports? or does it search all sources by default? |
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| 13:48.24 | themill | ethanol: you can require bpo to be in the version string as part of the search. /msg dpkg aptitude search |
| 13:48.30 | firefly | Hi again |
| 13:48.49 | firefly | packages to protect SSH are? |
| 13:49.10 | ethanol | themill: aptitude show pdns-server shows only 1 version though, so I guess there are no more? |
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| 13:49.34 | saltthefries | omg_onoez: Have you looked at rt2500? Is that different? |
| 13:50.45 | themill | judd versions pdns-server |
| 13:50.46 | judd | themill: pdns-server -- etch: 2.9.20-8+etch1 etch-security: 2.9.20-8+etch1 etch-backports: 2.9.21.2-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.9.21.2-1 lenny-backports: 2.9.22-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.9.22-1+b1 sid: 2.9.22-3 |
| 13:50.52 | omg_onoez | saltthefries, no i didn't because i need the latest one from git, cuz i'm using rt2860 chipset and and they did a lot of bugfixes |
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| 13:55.49 | saltthefries | omg_onoez: Ok, it looks like the problem is a missing kernel config. I'd get the whole kernel source and see if that fixes it. |
| 13:56.06 | omg_onoez | i have .config |
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| 13:56.28 | omg_onoez | as u c in http://pastebin.com/m427c3621 |
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| 13:57.57 | datacrusher | hi everyone, how do i extract a .rar multiple volume in debian? |
| 13:58.05 | datacrusher | tryed unrar on the .rar file but no success |
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| 13:58.32 | GNU\colossus | datacrusher: that's how it works though |
| 13:58.36 | cls`work | datacrusher: afaik you need rar-nonfree (not sure if that's the exact name) |
| 13:58.39 | GNU\colossus | unrar x firstfileofthepack.rar |
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| 13:59.00 | GNU\colossus | yup, cls`work is right. the non-free unrar is the only one that works with rarv3 archives |
| 13:59.29 | saltthefries | omg_onoez: Sorry, missed the bottom of that. I'd look in the make script and see where it's looking for the kernel, but it should already be looking at /usr/src/linux... I'm not sure what else to do. |
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| 14:00.01 | omg_onoez | saltthefries, thanks anyway ) |
| 14:00.15 | datacrusher | GNU\colossus, that was my first try, unrar file.rar |
| 14:00.28 | GNU\colossus | datacrusher: unrar x file.rar |
| 14:00.31 | GNU\colossus | the x is important |
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| 14:02.03 | datacrusher | GNU\colossus, with the x i got the same "1 error" failed |
| 14:02.11 | datacrusher | ill search for rar-nonfree |
| 14:03.17 | datacrusher | hm... dont have it on the repos.. im using lenny 64 |
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| 14:05.12 | HTT-Bird | noob question: how do I set up my ls so that --color=auto is the default? |
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| 14:06.37 | ascii158 | HTT-Bird: uncomment the line in ~/.bashrc: "alias ls=ls --color=auto" |
| 14:08.05 | rvsjoen | if I do a 'ls > foo', and colors are enabled, is it supposed to also put the color codes in the file ? I can't remember if this has happened before but it has sure been happening alot the past few days.. |
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| 14:08.29 | HTT-Bird | ascii158, duh :p |
| 14:08.34 | ascii158 | it doesn't |
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| 14:08.38 | HTT-Bird | facepalms |
| 14:08.55 | HTT-Bird | rvsjoen, you must have --color=always instead of --color=auto |
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| 14:10.06 | rvsjoen | indeed I did, I had just --color, which is the same as --color=always apparently |
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| 14:11.04 | HTT-Bird | ascii158, now how do I get the system to recognize the change? O.o it doesn't seem to be getting picked up |
| 14:11.31 | Titan8990 | HTT-Bird, restart your terminal session |
| 14:11.39 | HTT-Bird | Titan8990, tried that, no dice :@ |
| 14:11.56 | ascii158 | what is "the system" in this case? |
| 14:12.01 | HTT-Bird | bash :p |
| 14:12.02 | Titan8990 | HTT-Bird, http://mywiki.wooledge.org/DotFiles or for a technical explanation, see the INVOCATION section of man bash. |
| 14:12.15 | ascii158 | is the .bashrc includes by ~/.profile? |
| 14:12.25 | HTT-Bird | ascii158, yes indeed it is |
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| 14:12.39 | Titan8990 | ascii158, it shouldn't be, it should be included by ~/.bash_profile |
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| 14:13.10 | HTT-Bird | Titan8990, well, it's the stock Debian .profile |
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| 14:13.25 | HTT-Bird | actually, wait...:P |
| 14:13.29 | Titan8990 | HTT-Bird, .profile is for borne and korn shells |
| 14:13.29 | HTT-Bird | it's from another distro I think |
| 14:13.32 | HTT-Bird | yeah |
| 14:13.39 | rvsjoen | or simple source ~/.bashrc |
| 14:14.05 | Titan8990 | or you could read the detailed article I posted... |
| 14:14.41 | HTT-Bird | Titan8990, rearranged things so that .bash_profile sources .bashrc and .profile |
| 14:15.03 | HTT-Bird | but, still, my alias in .bashrc isn't getting picked up :o |
| 14:15.42 | Hyperi | Who remember how to escape in shell scripting the variable |
| 14:15.53 | Hyperi | I want to use tar ... /path/file$DATE_foo |
| 14:16.04 | DasEi | HTT-Bird: synaty right ? startet new shell after saving bashrc ? |
| 14:16.06 | Hyperi | But it'll still read the _ which isn't the purpose, {} didn't work :< |
| 14:16.40 | SUNNYNARULA18 | Hyperi:i am not certain what you mean |
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| 14:16.51 | Hyperi | I want to use variable in middle of a string |
| 14:16.56 | HTT-Bird | DasEi, yeah, I restarted the shell |
| 14:17.02 | rvsjoen | hyperi: file$DATE\_foo ? |
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| 14:17.24 | SUNNYNARULA18 | single quotes |
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| 14:17.42 | petemc | file-`date`-foo |
| 14:17.48 | DasEi | HTT-Bird: in ubuntu it's /etc/bash.bashrc, line is f.e. alias check ='sudo apt-get update' |
| 14:17.51 | petemc | or file-$(date)-foo |
| 14:17.53 | Hyperi | No I've date done in $DATE |
| 14:17.56 | Titan8990 | jordan@pc-tesla /var/log $ echo $DATE_foo |
| 14:17.56 | Titan8990 | abc |
| 14:18.14 | HTT-Bird | DasEi, heh. that's the system-wide bashrc :) |
| 14:18.15 | SUNNYNARULA18 | tar ... /path/file$DATE'_foo' |
| 14:18.15 | petemc | Hyperi: you need something to expand the variable |
| 14:18.25 | HTT-Bird | although you do have a good point, let me try futzing with the quoting |
| 14:18.32 | SUNNYNARULA18 | tar ... /path/file${DATE}_foo should have worked |
| 14:18.41 | petemc | oh, im thinking command, not variable |
| 14:18.46 | HTT-Bird | woo hoo! |
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| 14:18.53 | HTT-Bird | ty DasEi and company |
| 14:18.57 | HTT-Bird | outies, cya |
| 14:19.00 | DasEi | HTT-Bird: nice |
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| 14:19.45 | Hyperi | ${DATE} works nicely |
| 14:19.46 | Hyperi | thx :) |
| 14:20.51 | SUNNYNARULA18 | if you dont know for sure whats in $DATE use "${DATE}" |
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| 14:25.58 | Arafangion | Hey, how come I don't have /usr/dict/words? |
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| 14:27.17 | simonrvn | because it'd be in /usr/share not /usr |
| 14:27.45 | Arafangion | Hmm, nice. I wonder why I was expecting it in /usr/dict... |
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| 14:34.34 | caraconan | Hi. Can someone point me about running X applications on a chroot environment? Thanks |
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| 14:35.08 | cusco | hi |
| 14:35.23 | omg_onoez | well, ty guys |
| 14:35.24 | omg_onoez | http://antiduckface.com/ |
| 14:35.37 | cantido | caraconan: if you have the X11 client libs etc in the chroot and set $DISPLAY correctly they should work fine |
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| 14:36.16 | caraconan | <cantido> how to set $DISPLAY right? |
| 14:36.28 | cusco | my audio volume seems to be too low... |
| 14:36.43 | caraconan | :0.0 on both subsystems |
| 14:36.46 | cusco | alsamixer shows everything in max volume |
| 14:36.55 | cantido | caraconan: should work then |
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| 14:37.58 | caraconan | <cantido> http://pastebin.com/m7616fc86 |
| 14:38.25 | cusco | xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "d610:0" in "list" command |
| 14:38.44 | cantido | had a feeling it would be xauth |
| 14:38.45 | Justin | caraconan: X by default will try to use the socket, which will not exist in your chroot |
| 14:38.50 | cusco | "d610:0" should it be :0.0 |
| 14:38.51 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/m65ca6be7 |
| 14:39.10 | cusco | try 1.0 |
| 14:39.13 | firefly | Fucks sake, reimage of machine! |
| 14:39.15 | firefly | Urrr |
| 14:39.24 | cusco | :1.0 - 0.0 is already in use |
| 14:39.24 | caraconan | Should I install x-window-system on chroot environment? |
| 14:39.30 | cantido | caraconan: you're trying to run X opposed to just X11 applications then? |
| 14:39.48 | caraconan | <cantido> I just want to run eclipse |
| 14:40.03 | cantido | caraconan: so why are you starting X? |
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| 14:40.04 | cusco | also normally, X11 apps have this --display argument |
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| 14:41.03 | cusco | like in chroot: zenity --display=:0.0 --info --text="it works" |
| 14:41.10 | caraconan | <cantido> I made a mistake. But let's go from simple to more difficult: let's try to execute xeyes |
| 14:41.37 | cantido | caraconan: set $DISPLAY to point to the local X server, start application |
| 14:41.46 | en1gma | i have upgraded to debian squeeze a few days ago and every since then when i goto shutdown the login screen appears and i put my user:pass in and it boots back to desktop then i have to click shutdown again for it to turn off |
| 14:41.53 | en1gma | anyone ever figure this problem out |
| 14:42.15 | cantido | someone mentioned the socket thing.. I think it tries connecting to the localhost with via tcp if the unix socket isnt present |
| 14:42.15 | caraconan | <cantido> $DISPLAY on boths subsystems: :0.0 |
| 14:43.08 | cantido | caraconan: what happens when you run xeyes? |
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| 14:43.36 | en1gma | i tried to google the problem but to no avail |
| 14:43.51 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/m65ca6be7 |
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| 14:44.31 | cantido | actually, does the default setup listen for client connections on tcp.. |
| 14:45.03 | caraconan | <cantido> no idea, sorry... |
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| 14:47.23 | cantido | caraconan: the unix socket is in /tmp, if you bind the root /tmp onto the chroot's path it should work |
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| 14:47.50 | caraconan | ok, then the sollution is to bind /tmp Thanks a lot, cantido |
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| 14:49.30 | en1gma | no fix to fix the shutdon problem with gnome? |
| 14:50.07 | en1gma | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548120 <<<mine is similar to this but i dont even have to open an x-term |
| 14:50.27 | cantido | caraconan: having the original tmp in your chroot might be a security issue though.. if you're worried about that |
| 14:50.27 | caraconan | (From the main system) mount --bind /tmp/ /home/datos/sid/tmp/ |
| 14:50.30 | Titan8990 | en1gma, maybe you should comment on the bug report with your experience |
| 14:50.30 | caraconan | Doesn't works |
| 14:50.40 | en1gma | checking |
| 14:50.48 | caraconan | <cantido> Is not a problem |
| 14:52.01 | cantido | caraconan: the mount didn't work or the X11 app? |
| 14:52.37 | caraconan | At least xeyes fails with same message |
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| 14:54.49 | caraconan | http://pastebin.com/m65ca6be7 |
| 14:54.51 | cantido | caraconan: give me a moment, I'm just going to try it locally |
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| 14:55.52 | caraconan | <cantido> I think the problem is that the non-root user that started x doesn't exists yet on sid subsystem |
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| 14:56.56 | caraconan | I created but same error message |
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| 14:57.33 | cantido | caraconan: I've done this before, for a 32bit chroot ona 64bit machine.. I think I just configure the display manager to allow tcp connections |
| 14:57.45 | cantido | just building a chroot with debootstrap |
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| 14:58.22 | caraconan | Then second step: configure display manager to allow tcp connections from sid subsytem? |
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| 14:59.30 | cantido | https://wiki.skolelinux.de/DebianLive/Howto/Starting_X11_Applications_in_Chroot |
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| 15:01.19 | caraconan | SOLVED |
| 15:01.39 | caraconan | Just 'xhost +' from the main subsystem |
| 15:01.49 | caraconan | Thanks a lot, cantido |
| 15:02.02 | cantido | its probably the user connecting or something |
| 15:02.15 | cantido | xauth gives me a headache :p |
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| 15:02.33 | abrotman | !xhost |
| 15:02.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, xhost is EVIL! There are so many other ways of getting remote X apps to work that xhost should never be needed. For a more sensible approach, use ssh X11 forwarding, ask me about <sshx>. Also see <mit-magic-cookie>, http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html <nolisten> and "apt-cache show xbase-clients | grep xhost". To run applications on your local machine as another user, see <root x>. See also <xhost +localhost>. |
| 15:02.45 | dvinchi | !totoloco |
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| 15:03.23 | cantido | abrotman: xhost +localhost would seem to be what he needs? so the apps in the chroot without the X server's owners cookie can connect? |
| 15:03.32 | ericP | anyone know where i can find make.info? |
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| 15:03.45 | ericP | http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=make-3.81.info&mode=path&suite=unstable&arch=any gave me no results |
| 15:03.50 | ericP | (ditto for make.info) |
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| 15:06.40 | caraconan | <root x> |
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| 15:06.47 | caraconan | How to do that? |
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| 15:09.05 | Titan8990 | ericP, is that GNU documentation? |
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| 15:13.32 | themill | judd versions make-doc |
| 15:13.32 | judd | themill: make-doc -- etch/non-free: 3.81-3 lenny/non-free: 3.81-4 sid/non-free: 3.81-4 sid/non-free: 3.81-5 squeeze/non-free: 3.81-5 |
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| 15:15.40 | datenritter | hi! i have trouble creating proper udev-rules. my mp3-player contains two(!) devices, the internal memory (/dev/sdb atm) and an sd-card with a partition table (/dev/sdc while the data is on /dev/sdc1). i would like to give each "drive" a symlink. any ideas how to achieve this? |
| 15:16.12 | danners | hi im getting errors in my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m18a3194 does someone know what this means? |
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| 15:20.20 | FredWP | themill, are you there? |
| 15:20.38 | sektor1952 | how come when I go to System > Administration > network it shows that neither interface is connected? |
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| 15:22.13 | ericP | Titan8990, re make.info, yes, i expect it would come from gnu |
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| 15:22.37 | FredWP | themill? |
| 15:23.01 | Titan8990 | ericP, gnu documentation is in the non-free repositories |
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| 15:23.28 | ericP | that's gotta stick in someone's craw |
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| 15:23.46 | Arafangion | Haha. |
| 15:23.46 | ericP | Titan8990, thanks kindly |
| 15:23.56 | firefly | ssh intrusion prevention |
| 15:23.59 | firefly | denyhosts? |
| 15:24.09 | firefly | there is another one too right? |
| 15:24.11 | firefly | Please help! |
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| 15:24.21 | Titan8990 | !enter |
| 15:24.21 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 15:24.28 | Justin | firefly: don't run SSH on port 22 |
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| 15:25.52 | OpenTokix | Justin: why? |
| 15:25.54 | firefly | Justin: There are two pacakges to install tho too! |
| 15:26.06 | firefly | Justin: denyhosts and another one that I can't remebmber |
| 15:26.06 | petemc | fail2ban |
| 15:26.10 | firefly | awsome! |
| 15:26.13 | Justin | firefly: they are useless, just don't run ssh on port 22 |
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| 15:26.29 | firefly | How do you set up port forwording? |
| 15:26.49 | Justin | port forwarding? |
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| 15:26.57 | firefly | Yes |
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| 15:28.35 | firefly | Urr |
| 15:28.39 | firefly | Bloody hackers!!! |
| 15:29.02 | FredWP | You mean crackers? |
| 15:29.07 | FredWP | Hackers are passionate programmers. |
| 15:29.13 | Arafangion | loves to hack. |
| 15:29.25 | Arafangion | Just finished my hacking for the night... It's 2:30am. |
| 15:29.34 | FredWP | What did you hack? ;p |
| 15:29.42 | Arafangion | Writing yet-another git-p4 thingy. |
| 15:29.47 | FredWP | :) |
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| 15:30.03 | Arafangion | FredWP: My second attempt. :) |
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| 15:30.10 | Arafangion | (Totally different design, and concepts) |
| 15:30.11 | FredWP | A hack might also be referred to as a sloppy quick workaround firefly. |
| 15:30.23 | firefly | Guys I know! |
| 15:30.29 | firefly | Crackers then! |
| 15:30.30 | ranix | that's a Kludge |
| 15:30.36 | FredWP | A kludge? |
| 15:30.41 | firefly | Or Russian mafia to be more precise |
| 15:30.47 | ranix | crackers pirate software |
| 15:30.51 | wertik_rus | ) |
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| 15:30.54 | FredWP | Not necessarily. |
| 15:31.06 | ranix | also are white americans |
| 15:31.06 | petemc | this is all a bit off topic |
| 15:31.10 | Arafangion | Often times crackers merely access their own legit software. |
| 15:31.16 | FredWP | That. |
| 15:31.17 | Arafangion | Well, not neccessarily "often"... |
| 15:31.18 | FredWP | :) |
| 15:31.20 | firefly | What ever, they rooted my box |
| 15:31.24 | firefly | Fuckers |
| 15:31.30 | ranix | Arafangion: using your own software is prohibited by the dmca |
| 15:31.35 | FredWP | I applaud people who did firefly. |
| 15:31.44 | FredWP | And I should hit you on the head for not keeping things up-to-date or secure enough! |
| 15:31.48 | cantido | firefly: did you find any actual evidence yet? |
| 15:31.52 | firefly | Yes |
| 15:31.54 | firefly | lots |
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| 15:32.00 | sektor1952 | does gnome network-admin work? |
| 15:32.03 | cantido | firefly: for example? |
| 15:32.12 | Arafangion | ranix: I find it ironic that, as an engineer, accessing documents about 'reverse engineering' tends to be blocked. |
| 15:32.12 | firefly | remote exploit |
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| 15:32.20 | firefly | It wasn't upto date |
| 15:32.22 | cantido | firefly: what remote exploit? |
| 15:32.23 | firefly | I've been too busy! |
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| 15:32.47 | firefly | Not sure of the exact one. |
| 15:33.01 | firefly | cantido: its a bad debian key |
| 15:33.07 | cantido | firefly: so, you're not sure how they got in, what they did, but it's no your fault? |
| 15:33.12 | cantido | firefly: s/no/not/ |
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| 15:33.48 | firefly | cantido: Its my fault! I didn't aptitude upgrade for a while! |
| 15:34.05 | firefly | cantido: Its my fault, mine mine mine |
| 15:34.18 | cantido | is still wondering what they exploited |
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| 15:35.27 | firefly | cantido: ask me a specific question and I will try to answer |
| 15:35.31 | Jygga | there are always working exploits in the wild ... |
| 15:35.43 | firefly | cantido: SSH is what they explointed, a bad debian generated key |
| 15:35.51 | Jygga | having the latest updates protects from scriptkiddies |
| 15:35.55 | firefly | cantido: I am not sure how I can be more specific |
| 15:36.01 | cantido | firefly: well, you haven't explained how you know they've "rooted" your box |
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| 15:36.08 | petemc | firefly: you had enough time to fix that and plenty of warning about it |
| 15:36.34 | jpinx-eeepc | doesn't swee a support question here |
| 15:36.36 | firefly | petemc: I know! I thought it was fixed! |
| 15:36.39 | jpinx-eeepc | *see |
| 15:36.46 | petemc | it was, the keys should have been blacklisted |
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| 15:37.17 | cantido | firefly: you shouldn't allow root logins via SSH either, so they would have needed something local as well |
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| 15:37.51 | firefly | cantido: My SSH setup with standard from the factory, it allowed root ssh |
| 15:38.06 | firefly | They used a public key on a funny port 1012 or something |
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| 15:38.10 | firefly | Not sure how that worked |
| 15:38.27 | cantido | firefly: and you had public keys authorised for root? |
| 15:38.28 | firefly | Then they opened a sessions session opened for user root by root(uid=0) |
| 15:38.41 | firefly | cantido: I must have |
| 15:38.49 | cantido | firefly: that comes up in auth.log when you su to root |
| 15:38.53 | jpinx-eeepc | firefly: iirc root logins are disabled by default and ssh works only on port 22 |
| 15:38.55 | petemc | firefly: how did you determine thats what happened? |
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| 15:39.07 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: root logins are enabled in the default config |
| 15:39.09 | FredWP | themill, I require your presence. D: |
| 15:39.14 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, wrong on both |
| 15:39.20 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: really - my bad - and theirs ;) |
| 15:39.33 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, well, only works on 22 by default, but root login is allowed on a default install |
| 15:39.39 | firefly | auto.log |
| 15:39.43 | firefly | auth.log |
| 15:39.43 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: well, if you need to login as root to config the machine via ssh.. |
| 15:39.47 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, but you can put ssh on any port and it IS recommended that you do so |
| 15:40.00 | Titan8990 | cantido, then you log in as a user and su to root |
| 15:40.01 | cantido | Titan8990: or just run fail2ban |
| 15:40.31 | Titan8990 | cantido, yeah, because no one out there has a botnet with 1000s of different IPs to use |
| 15:40.42 | cantido | Titan8990: if it was that clear cut it would be disabled in the default config.. still you shouldn't have a shit password for root |
| 15:40.59 | firefly | cantido: My password was fine |
| 15:41.00 | Titan8990 | !harden |
| 15:41.00 | dpkg | methinks harden is D:SbD or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ or ask me about <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom> |
| 15:41.08 | firefly | It was a public key |
| 15:41.10 | cantido | Titan8990: are there any botnets going around trying to root linux/bsd etc machines? |
| 15:41.12 | Titan8990 | the hardening guide covers securing SSH |
| 15:41.21 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: imo it *should* be disabled by default - root logins are always dangerous |
| 15:41.22 | Titan8990 | cantido, I'm sure there are |
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| 15:42.01 | cantido | Titan8990: I'm pretty sure botnets with 1000's of IP's are hunting for more windows machines to hijack and sending spam.. |
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| 15:42.38 | Titan8990 | cantido, they are doing to iphone like crazy atm |
| 15:42.58 | cantido | firefly: if you don't have something like fail2ban and password auth turned on then you have a problem |
| 15:43.30 | cantido | Titan8990: you forward ssh to your jail broken iphone? |
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| 15:44.07 | Justin | cantido: actually there are botnets with 1000's of IPs looking for SSH servers running on port 22 |
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| 15:44.37 | cantido | Justin: how many thousand ip's would you need to bruteforce a strong public key? |
| 15:44.57 | Justin | cantido: you need 1 ip to exploit a buffer overflow in ssh |
| 15:45.09 | cantido | if you move the port it's just a case of scanning the machine until you find where it went |
| 15:45.14 | ivh | How do I autogenerate a xorg.conf and keep it under control of dpkg? I run squeeze and "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" seems to do nothing. |
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| 15:45.23 | cantido | Justin: that's a different thing then.. |
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| 15:45.35 | Justin | cantido: really? and how often does that happen? |
| 15:46.12 | cantido | Justin: how often do people have enough ip's to bruteforce a RSA public key without getting noticed? |
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| 15:46.28 | Justin | cantido: i give up. do whatever you want. |
| 15:46.32 | cantido | when openssl was generating bad keys, fair enough |
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| 15:47.00 | cantido | well, it's like isp's blocking 22 outbound, it doesn't actually solve the problem does it |
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| 15:47.16 | Justin | blocking 22 inbound would :) |
| 15:47.17 | lorddef | I'm trying to install debian x64 from the netinst cd on a power edge 1850, lenny 5.03 gets stuck at "loading /install.amd/vmlinuz" and my old etch 4.01 cd gets stuk at 5% after tasksel |
| 15:47.38 | lorddef | anyone got any ideas what I'm doing wrong / what the issue could be? |
| 15:47.42 | cantido | sorry, I mean smtp .. 21 |
| 15:47.55 | cantido | wrong again.. |
| 15:48.07 | cantido | 25, bingo |
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| 15:48.52 | lorddef | tried the 32 bit install of etch too, that also gets stuck at 5% |
| 15:49.23 | cantido | lorddef: does the cd work? :/ |
| 15:49.50 | cantido | I can remember a power edge 1850 only working with the graphical installer |
| 15:49.57 | lorddef | The disk works in tons of other servers |
| 15:50.06 | lorddef | thats the etch one |
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| 15:50.19 | lorddef | I've just verified the lenny image and burnt it with nero |
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| 15:50.28 | cantido | lorddef: could be the drive |
| 15:50.42 | lorddef | I doubt it'd get to the graphical installer if it can't get past the normal one |
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| 15:51.10 | lorddef | Tried a funky little dell usb drive too, exactly the smae |
| 15:51.13 | lorddef | *same |
| 15:51.17 | lorddef | so not the drive |
| 15:52.21 | lorddef | I'm gonna scuttle off and give that graphical installer a whirl |
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| 15:53.30 | cantido | lorddef: I had a machine that booted and then when the installer started it locked up.. the graphical installer worked. I think it was a 1850 |
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| 15:54.28 | _SKiTZO | why are there so few figlet fonts in debian :P |
| 15:54.40 | cantido | _SKiTZO: theres a non-free package IIRC |
| 15:54.48 | _SKiTZO | toilet-fonts contains like 10 fonts while there are possibly hundreds available |
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| 15:55.02 | _SKiTZO | ah ok |
| 15:55.32 | cantido | that's from memory |
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| 15:55.41 | cantido | ain't use figlet in yonks |
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| 15:56.01 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:58.23 | lorddef | cantido: no cigar - graphical installer gets stuck just the same |
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| 16:01.57 | klync | is there a way i can prevent usb hotplug on a *specific* device, but not on the entire class of devices? i.e. i want to blacklist my blackberry, but not all usb-storage devices |
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| 16:10.38 | Mac101 | oki have this /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables containing this line: /sbin/iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.save |
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| 16:10.51 | Mac101 | and the files exist with my iptables rules |
| 16:10.58 | Mac101 | but it doesnt reload on reboot :'( |
| 16:11.26 | Mac101 | anyone know why? |
| 16:11.34 | klync_ | hrm .... got disconnected there - sorry in advance if my question is a dupe, but... |
| 16:11.39 | klync_ | is there a way i can prevent usb hotplug on a *specific* device (by id), but not on the entire class of devices? i.e. i want to blacklist my blackberry, but not all usb-storage devices |
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| 16:12.41 | Titan8990 | Mac101, does iptables.save include your iptables rules? |
| 16:13.02 | Mac101 | yes |
| 16:13.08 | firefly | Right new server, new start |
| 16:13.15 | firefly | Makes a point of reading the !hardening guies |
| 16:13.26 | firefly | s/guies/guide |
| 16:13.51 | firefly | Can anyone suggest a way to run automatic security updates on a cron job or something similar!? |
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| 16:14.25 | abrotman | !cron-apt |
| 16:14.26 | dpkg | A highly configurable tool that can help keep your box up to date. By default, it downloads new updates and emails the list of available packages. It can also automatically install packages if you trust that security.debian.org will never have broken package or if you have your farm of machines working off a local mirror that you seed with updated packages after your own testing. Ask me about <cron-apt tips> <auto update> <apticron>. |
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| 16:15.23 | pawbie | Either my time command is borked, or I've gone silly.... "/usr/bin/time --format=%M -v ls" would, I thought, show me the %M (memory) with verbose output on the ls command. But instead, it says "--format command not found" |
| 16:15.43 | firefly | This is a great channel! |
| 16:15.46 | firefly | Thanks guys |
| 16:16.34 | Mac101 | o i didnt chmod +x |
| 16:16.37 | Mac101 | >.< |
| 16:16.42 | Mac101 | that should fix me right |
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| 16:17.00 | cantido | has a feeling his "rooting" was actually some script running in root's crontab that he forgot about or similar |
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| 16:17.25 | firefly | cantido: Why do you think that? |
| 16:17.40 | cantido | firefly: you can't explain how you know your box was rooted |
| 16:18.07 | firefly | cantido: As far as I am aware I have explained that. But enlighten me. |
| 16:18.29 | cantido | firefly: auth.log having lines about sessions being opened for root? |
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| 16:19.38 | gad0 | Hi.. for installing debian with gnome downloading CD1 is enough ? |
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| 16:19.50 | gad0 | rest I can manually install |
| 16:20.01 | cantido | gad0: there is a cd1-gnome and a cd1-kde from what I remember |
| 16:20.03 | sclebo05 | gad0: get the netinst cd |
| 16:20.05 | llutz | gad0: use netinstall/businesscard-iso |
| 16:20.10 | firefly | cantido: Dude, I think you are far more experienced at this than me. |
| 16:20.27 | firefly | cantido: I am not really sure what you are elluding to. |
| 16:20.51 | gad0 | llutz, I cannot use netinst cd, cause I have to download everything even the basic stuff like Xorg |
| 16:21.21 | gad0 | cantido, can you please link me to cd1-gnome ? |
| 16:21.31 | gad0 | torrent available for it ? |
| 16:21.31 | llutz | gad0: whats the difference to loading a full 700MB iso? |
| 16:21.37 | cantido | firefly: you said "my box has been rooted by ssh2", and then I said "you have weak passwords or keys then" and asked how you knew you have been rooted.. you still haven't explained that |
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| 16:22.04 | cantido | gad0: actually, I think cd1 has all of the gnome stuff and there is another cd marked kde that has kde instead, just going to check |
| 16:22.14 | gad0 | llutz, I have to slow connection |
| 16:22.21 | gad0 | s/to/a |
| 16:22.23 | sclebo05 | firefly: you may find denyhosts to be useful, after you work on your weak pass issues |
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| 16:23.47 | cantido | gad0: on the debian ftp there are the normal cd1 .. cdN and then there is a cd1-kde. so I reckon the plain cd1 has gnome on it :) |
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| 16:24.10 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 16:24.10 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 16:25.40 | valczir | I have a question: I'm managing a debian server and after messing with samba and iptables a little via webmin, all of a sudden, logging in takes forever (a good five to ten minutes) |
| 16:25.53 | valczir | ssh or local, they both take that long |
| 16:26.07 | valczir | so my question is thus: wtf? |
| 16:26.12 | sclebo05 | valczir: could be reverse dns lookups, for the remote stuff |
| 16:26.12 | cantido | webmin is still installable |
| 16:26.15 | pawbie | valczir: Did you change your pam modules? |
| 16:26.19 | cantido | makes alarmed face |
| 16:26.26 | valczir | didn't touch pam |
| 16:26.39 | ootput | I'm also guessing that it's pam-related |
| 16:27.04 | valczir | already ran dpkg-reconfigure libpa |
| 16:27.12 | valczir | blargh, dumb enter button |
| 16:27.20 | valczir | libpam-runtime* |
| 16:27.24 | ootput | any logs? |
| 16:27.38 | ootput | (for webmin-samba module) |
| 16:27.47 | valczir | looking |
| 16:27.52 | simonrvn | judd: versions snmpd |
| 16:27.53 | sclebo05 | i'd clear iptables and see if issue goes away |
| 16:27.53 | judd | simonrvn: snmpd -- etch: 5.2.3-7etch4 etch-security: 5.2.3-7etch4 lenny: 5.4.1~dfsg-12 sid: 5.4.1~dfsg-12 squeeze: 5.4.1~dfsg-12 |
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| 16:28.40 | ootput | sclebo05: it wouldn't affect localhost auth, would it? |
| 16:29.32 | sclebo05 | depends, i believe it still looks up 'localhost' and should pull it from hosts, but may be trying dns |
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| 16:29.53 | cantido | sclebo05: for a local login? |
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| 16:30.03 | sclebo05 | lemme test |
| 16:30.30 | sclebo05 | is your box doing WINS lookups for everything ? samba ? |
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| 16:30.57 | valczir | should be doing lookups just for samba |
| 16:30.59 | sclebo05 | clearing iptables is quick and rules dns lookups in or out. if that doesn't fix it, dig into pam, etc |
| 16:31.09 | sclebo05 | start simple |
| 16:31.29 | sclebo05 | iptables -F clears most standard stuff, unless you have custom chains |
| 16:31.34 | valczir | I just realized how dumb an idea it was to log out and try to log back in... |
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| 16:31.54 | cantido | valczir: you're logging in as a local user? |
| 16:32.05 | valczir | nah, remote, right now, via ssh |
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| 16:32.40 | cantido | valczir: yes, but the user you are logging in as is a local user (i.e. in /etc/passwd ) and not being looked up somewhere else? |
| 16:32.48 | valczir | ah, yes |
| 16:32.57 | valczir | I'm logging on as a local user |
| 16:32.58 | valczir | sorry |
| 16:33.19 | cantido | if you login over ssh and then run login.. is that slow? |
| 16:34.21 | valczir | cantido: waiting for the ssh login to finish |
| 16:34.41 | valczir | hence my realization that it was dumb of me to log out, I really should have started another terminal |
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| 16:34.48 | cantido | valczir: your syslog and auth.log might be interesting |
| 16:35.13 | cantido | valczir: maybe check top to see that there isn't something causing the machine to grind |
| 16:35.19 | valczir | checked that |
| 16:35.30 | valczir | highest CPU usage was top, at 0.3% |
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| 16:36.22 | valczir | there we go, I'm in |
| 16:36.44 | valczir | running login... |
| 16:37.09 | valczir | prompts for username immediately, prompts for password immediately after entering username |
| 16:37.23 | cantido | valczir: and you get a new session? |
| 16:37.25 | valczir | however, after entering the password, it hangs |
| 16:37.40 | sclebo05 | i'm still thinking its lookup in some way |
| 16:37.47 | valczir | I'm guessing it'll be another one of those five minute waits |
| 16:37.56 | cantido | ok, so its probably not ssh |
| 16:38.03 | valczir | well, yeah |
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| 16:38.16 | valczir | logging on at the physical machine does the same thing |
| 16:38.18 | cantido | ctrl-c should kill it |
| 16:38.32 | valczir | and it did |
| 16:38.33 | paxcoder | !Debian alternative system |
| 16:38.42 | valczir | checking syslog and auth.log |
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| 16:38.52 | cantido | you could run strace or something on login to see what its doing I suppose.. |
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| 16:42.57 | firefly | cantido: Thanks for explaining. I am 99% sure the box has been rooted 1) because the colo company say it has been and 2) becuase in auth.log there is a key access (whcih wasnt me) then a UID escalation of a user account called "zmeu" |
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| 16:44.03 | cantido | wonders what a UID escalation is |
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| 16:44.22 | cantido | firefly: is the box managed then? |
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| 16:44.34 | cantido | firefly: or was it doing something that the colo noticed? |
| 16:45.20 | firefly | cantido: there was an abuse complaint, the script was running on my server and trying to exploit Zen Cart |
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| 16:46.56 | gad0 | cantido, thanks |
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| 16:47.53 | neoice | firefly: reinstall and read the Securing Debian Manual twice |
| 16:48.05 | valczir | joining the debian box to a domain using the "net join" command shouldn't cause a normal linux login to try to log in to the domain, should it? |
| 16:48.05 | n-iCe | does 5.0.2 should work in virtualbox without problems? |
| 16:48.09 | ranix | !tell firefly -about hardening |
| 16:48.11 | n-iCe | 64bits* |
| 16:48.26 | n-iCe | indeed: debian-testing-ia64-CD-1 |
| 16:48.29 | ranix | !tell firefly -about harden |
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| 16:49.17 | sclebo05 | depends on config |
| 16:49.18 | sclebo05 | lol |
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| 16:49.26 | neoice | on the subject of hardening, if I want to use grsec, I need to patch myself |
| 16:49.27 | valczir | hum |
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| 16:49.57 | firefly | neoice: Sounds pretty awsome! |
| 16:50.08 | firefly | neoice: Thanks for pointing it out to me |
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| 16:50.19 | firefly | Well looks like I have lots to learn! |
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| 16:50.33 | neoice | firefly: yeah, thats one of my favorite docs :) |
| 16:50.40 | valczir | strace is showing some stuff, looks like I may have done something I really didn't want to do while attempting to allow accounts in active directory to access printers... |
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| 16:51.14 | firefly | cantido: Hope thats explained it! :) |
| 16:51.17 | lunartear | what does package state "A" stand for? e.g. i A libisccc0 |
| 16:51.37 | pickcoder | is the standard kernel capable of marking packets via netfilter? |
| 16:51.58 | valczir | thanks for the suggestions - I'm a gentoo guy, so figuring out debian is taking me a little while |
| 16:52.45 | markie- | so, i've been running debian for a few days now and i've noticed people often telling me and hearing elsewhere that's it's 'dated' or a 'bit out of date'..what exactly are they referring to? |
| 16:53.11 | pickcoder | markie-: the fact that you can't have bleeding edge app versions that are also stable |
| 16:53.14 | petemc | markie-: debian stable doesnt get new packages, just security updates |
| 16:53.15 | valdyn | markie-: referring to the fact that debian/stable is actually tested |
| 16:53.16 | neoice | markie-: debian stable works heavily on quality assurance and stability, generally resulting in the packages "freezing" |
| 16:53.27 | pickcoder | if you want bleeding edge software, compile it yourself or use another distro |
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| 16:53.40 | neoice | markie-: this freeze means that development of NEW features stops to focus on stablization and security updates |
| 16:53.42 | \amethyst | lunartear: automatically installed (so when the last package that depends on it is removed, this package will be removed as well) |
| 16:54.02 | valdyn | markie-: contrary to fedora, which isnt really tested but whos purpose it is to expose software to users testing it |
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| 16:54.35 | pickcoder | for some reason my port 25 rerouting is not working based on the tldp instructions |
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| 16:54.50 | pickcoder | the rules are in place and from previous iproute2 experience I know the table is configured properly |
| 16:54.56 | neoice | oh, does anyone know how to setup a vlan interface, like eth0.2 in /etc/network/interfaces ?? |
| 16:55.03 | pickcoder | still, packets remain going out the default gateway for the box |
| 16:55.24 | pickcoder | neoice: just add the syntax |
| 16:55.33 | pickcoder | follow the same format for static/dhcp |
| 16:55.37 | pickcoder | eth0:1 |
| 16:55.41 | pickcoder | etc |
| 16:55.50 | neoice | pickcoder: NOT eth0:1, eth0.1. they're different. |
| 16:55.56 | pickcoder | oh vlan |
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| 16:56.09 | n-iCe | does 5.0.2 should work in virtualbox without problems? testing 64bits |
| 16:56.28 | pickcoder | shrugs.. I'm trying to get iproute2 and packet marking to work |
| 16:56.30 | valdyn | markie-: if you want a distro that lets you quickly discover bleeding edge linux software, then debian is the wrong way unless you know the ins and outs of debian |
| 16:56.56 | Imran-UK | my apache2 install is missing a lot of mods-enabled, whats the best way to reinstall so that they are placed back to the defaults? i tried aptitude reinstall apache2* |
| 16:56.58 | neoice | pickcoder: yeah, it doesnt seem to like just throwing in eth0.2. and the system doesnt default to having 8021q loaded. |
| 16:57.10 | Imran-UK | i think it was a botched install in the first place |
| 16:57.30 | Imran-UK | also tried dpkg-reconfigure -p low apache2-mpm-prefork etc |
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| 16:57.40 | neoice | Imran-UK: I'd do 'aptitude remove' and 'aptitude install' |
| 16:57.49 | pickcoder | Imran-UK: you need to reinstall the individual module packages |
| 16:57.51 | neoice | Imran-UK: as long as you dont 'purge', your configs stay in place |
| 16:58.00 | pickcoder | the apache2 package does not include all of the modules |
| 16:58.03 | pickcoder | only the basic ones |
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| 16:58.23 | neoice | aptitude search libapache2 |
| 16:58.28 | Imran-UK | pickcoder, i know, but it also links a bunch of stuff in mods-enabled, there is nothing there |
| 16:58.30 | pickcoder | Imran-UK: btw.. the mods_enabled directory is for symlinks to files that exist under mods_available |
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| 16:58.50 | pickcoder | a2enmod |
| 16:58.51 | Imran-UK | pickcoder, i know. i think i might try a remove/reinstall as neoice suggested |
| 16:58.54 | pickcoder | a2dismod |
| 16:59.05 | Imran-UK | easier all round (i hope!) |
| 16:59.06 | pickcoder | a2ensite and a2dissite |
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| 16:59.50 | pickcoder | argh.. wth won't this iproute2 setup work |
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| 17:02.13 | lunartear | does the package database track the dates packages are installed? |
| 17:02.23 | valdyn | lunartear: no |
| 17:02.30 | lunartear | hmm alright |
| 17:03.00 | lunartear | im just trying to clear out some residual packages from an etch to lenny upgrade |
| 17:03.20 | Imran-UK | weird, apt is suddenly suffixing package names like this: apache2.2-common{p} |
| 17:03.22 | Imran-UK | a concern? |
| 17:03.37 | valdyn | !purge |
| 17:03.37 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P <package>' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore config files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>." |
| 17:03.54 | valdyn | Imran-UK: p means purge |
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| 17:05.13 | Imran-UK | valdyn, thanks, never really noticed that before with etch. new with lenny perhaps? |
| 17:05.32 | valdyn | Imran-UK: no idea |
| 17:05.42 | markie- | alright thanks |
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| 17:06.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | lunartear, /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 17:06.05 | Imran-UK | neat, purge did not delete the dirs in /etcapache where i had dropped custom stuff, even though i backed it up just in case |
| 17:06.15 | Imran-UK | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.33 | valdyn | Imran-UK: purge only affects files that are explicitely owned by a package |
| 17:06.40 | yoshx | hello |
| 17:06.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, the package database doesn't , but the logfiles contain when things were installed/deinstalled |
| 17:06.47 | Imran-UK | valdyn, yep |
| 17:07.05 | blast_hardcheese | Quick iptables question: If I'd like to be able to telnet 192.168.0.44 9999 and get port 6667 on 192.168.3.10, is this the line I would need to put in my iptables? For some reason it's not working and I'm overlooking something simple, I think. -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp -m tcp --dport 9999 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.3.10:6667 |
| 17:07.05 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: yea, but that was not the question |
| 17:07.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, hehe |
| 17:07.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | true, dat |
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| 17:07.42 | rgr | I am trying to, using xdmp, get a logon screen for a remote desktop. I enabled the 177 udp port. remote login is enabled on the remote machine. But when I su to root and run "X :1 -query <ipaddress>" I get a black screen which a cross mouse cursor. Any ideas what might be wrong. Is there another way of getting a logon screen in X? (vncviewer works but just dups the existing remote desktop). |
| 17:07.51 | blast_hardcheese | (that would be on 0.44, of course |
| 17:08.09 | Imran-UK | blast_hardcheese, i would have thought the FORWARD chain for a port forward. you might want to look at shorewall or ufw as they make firewall config easier |
| 17:08.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | lunartear, and... apt-show-versions is probably about what you were looking for to find etch packages (you might also look at deborphan) |
| 17:08.45 | lunartear | alright thanks |
| 17:08.54 | blast_hardcheese | Imran-UK: Hmmm, Possibly |
| 17:09.00 | blast_hardcheese | Imran-UK: I'll look into that, thanks |
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| 17:10.29 | valdyn | no you dont put this in the forward chain |
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| 17:12.33 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: Where should I put it? |
| 17:12.41 | blast_hardcheese | I'm reading http://www.netfilter.org/documentation/HOWTO//NAT-HOWTO-10.html , but it's confusing |
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| 17:15.03 | blast_hardcheese | By the way, dnsmasq is absolutely amazing, if anyone needs to set up internal DNS. I just realized there's an option in the config to specify externally facing domains (I run a website out of my house), so with one line now I can access my externally facing services from inside the network without any messing around with in-arpa or whatever |
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| 17:18.01 | valdyn | blast_hardcheese: is 192.168.0.44 the ip of the router you are trying to have that rule on? |
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| 17:21.02 | StaRetji | Hi all, need help, I'm logged in via ssh as a root, but for some reason, root acts like it doesn't have privileges |
| 17:21.13 | StaRetji | can't even issue a reboot |
| 17:21.17 | valdyn | StaRetji: like for example? |
| 17:21.22 | valdyn | StaRetji: why cant you? |
| 17:21.33 | StaRetji | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.35 | StaRetji | bash: reboot: command not found |
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| 17:21.53 | valdyn | StaRetji: does "command not found" sound like "you dont have permissions" |
| 17:22.12 | StaRetji | valdyn, thx for helping out so far, I appreciate it |
| 17:22.22 | valdyn | StaRetji: heh |
| 17:22.27 | StaRetji | apache2 stopped working also |
| 17:22.35 | StaRetji | total mess |
| 17:22.40 | valdyn | StaRetji: lets fix problems one by one |
| 17:22.49 | StaRetji | ok, I'm all set |
| 17:22.50 | valdyn | StaRetji: not one not and the 2nd not either |
| 17:23.08 | valdyn | StaRetji: reboot is probably in /sbin -> "/sbin/reboot" |
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| 17:24.28 | StaRetji | can't confirm, winscp doesn't let me anywere |
| 17:24.35 | StaRetji | doesn't work |
| 17:24.41 | StaRetji | bash, sorry |
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| 17:24.54 | valdyn | StaRetji: *what* does not work? |
| 17:25.01 | StaRetji | should I issue a command |
| 17:25.13 | valdyn | StaRetji: yes, "/sbin/reboot" |
| 17:25.28 | StaRetji | I tried /sbin/r then tab |
| 17:25.35 | StaRetji | oket |
| 17:25.49 | StaRetji | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.50 | StaRetji | bash: /sbin/reboot: No such file or directory |
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| 17:26.37 | StaRetji | but I can cd to /sbin/ |
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| 17:26.42 | StaRetji | ls gives me |
| 17:26.50 | StaRetji | bash: ls: command not found |
| 17:27.22 | blast_hardcheese | valdyn: Yes; I'd like 192.168.0.44 9999 -> 192.168.0.10 6667, the 192.168.0.0/24 is eth0 |
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| 17:27.45 | blast_hardcheese | I forgot it's 192.168.0.10, not 3.10 |
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| 17:30.25 | gnufat | hi all |
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| 17:30.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | watches as 940 people respong "hi alone" |
| 17:31.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | respond* |
| 17:31.25 | blast_hardcheese | I usually respond with "hi one" |
| 17:31.33 | dkr | !all |
| 17:31.33 | dpkg | All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. a brand of laundry detergent in the United States, and it's not expected that this will answer, either. |
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| 17:32.09 | dkr | heh, I love the line about the detergent not being expected to answer either |
| 17:32.28 | StaRetji | valdyn: I guess you didn't expect this to be tough like it is. To be honest, I'm not a noob with linux, but this one is a bit to much for me :) |
| 17:33.05 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 17:33.16 | blast_hardcheese | StaRetji: echo $PATH please |
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| 17:35.41 | StaRetji | OK: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin |
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| 17:36.30 | blast_hardcheese | StaRetji: Have you configured selinux? |
| 17:37.22 | Titan8990 | lol did you somehow manage to remove coreutils? |
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| 17:37.34 | StaRetji | blast_hardcheese: no, just debian minimal |
| 17:37.43 | StaRetji | apt-get install ssh |
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| 17:37.46 | qp_pq | how do I get a stage1 in /boot/grub / |
| 17:37.46 | qp_pq | ? |
| 17:37.53 | StaRetji | and apache2 |
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| 17:38.10 | StaRetji | it is up for more than a year |
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| 17:38.16 | StaRetji | but i didn't use it |
| 17:38.24 | qp_pq | how do I get a stage1 in /boot/grub ? |
| 17:38.26 | StaRetji | now I need it and this happens :D |
| 17:38.48 | blast_hardcheese | StaRetji: Anything externally facing that someone might have been able to gain access to? |
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| 17:39.40 | Titan8990 | qp_pq, install grub or grub-legacy |
| 17:39.46 | StaRetji | not a chance, there is a router, allowing only ssh on port 2222 from my ip address |
| 17:40.03 | qp_pq | Titan8990: grub-legacy-doc ? |
| 17:40.07 | StaRetji | so, not hacked, if you think that's the reason |
| 17:40.17 | Titan8990 | qp_pq, what version of debian are you using? |
| 17:40.22 | qp_pq | lenny |
| 17:40.49 | blast_hardcheese | StaRetji: does dpkg work |
| 17:40.50 | blast_hardcheese | ? |
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| 17:41.34 | Titan8990 | qp_pq, grub-install --no-floppy /dev/sdxx; update-grub |
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| 17:41.51 | Titan8990 | qp_pq, how did you remove it? |
| 17:41.55 | StaRetji | dpkg |
| 17:41.57 | StaRetji | bash: dpkg: command not found |
| 17:42.03 | qp_pq | nvm solved |
| 17:42.14 | StaRetji | and one more thing, I can't open another ssh session |
| 17:42.22 | blast_hardcheese | StaRetji: =___= |
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| 17:42.36 | Titan8990 | StaRetji, likely because your system is completely borked |
| 17:42.39 | _talon | how do i set cron-apt to update, upgrade, download and install completely non-interactively? |
| 17:42.47 | StaRetji | yep, I know, something is terribly wrong |
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| 17:42.52 | Titan8990 | StaRetji, im guessing you also can't run /bin/bash |
| 17:42.55 | blast_hardcheese | StaRetji: What was the last thing you did before you noticed everything was wrong? |
| 17:43.03 | StaRetji | the strange thing is, it set there, nobody loged in |
| 17:43.19 | Titan8990 | StaRetji, what do you mean? |
| 17:43.20 | StaRetji | blast_hardcheese: logout ? :) |
| 17:43.28 | StaRetji | I mean |
| 17:43.33 | StaRetji | I installed 5 machines |
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| 17:43.35 | StaRetji | in Paris |
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| 17:43.42 | blast_hardcheese | k |
| 17:43.45 | StaRetji | all of them minimal debian etch |
| 17:43.51 | blast_hardcheese | should be fine |
| 17:43.55 | StaRetji | 4 I'm using right now |
| 17:44.02 | StaRetji | and this one, didn't use at all |
| 17:44.15 | StaRetji | I came back 10 months later, this happend |
| 17:44.17 | StaRetji | ?! |
| 17:44.19 | StaRetji | :) |
| 17:44.28 | blast_hardcheese | Honestly, it sounds like your machine inexplicably lost its filesystem |
| 17:44.30 | StaRetji | all of them are just apt-get install ssh |
| 17:44.36 | StaRetji | and apt-get install apache2 |
| 17:44.41 | StaRetji | that's it |
| 17:44.45 | tzanger | good afternoon... Is there any way to tell apt-get to forget about trying to help me with certain installed packages? I installed a few debs by hand (for a cross compiler) and it works great, but now apt-get won't do system upgrades or install anything else until it "fixes" my cross compiler |
| 17:44.51 | StaRetji | must |
| 17:44.53 | StaRetji | be |
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| 17:45.14 | StaRetji | Anyway, I tried and thank you very much for trying to help |
| 17:45.25 | Titan8990 | StaRetji, someone probably rooted the box and uninstalled coreutils or something |
| 17:45.27 | hsn | you know where are iso images for debian-kfreebsd? |
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| 17:45.31 | blast_hardcheese | Good luck |
| 17:46.13 | StaRetji | who knows, now I'll be asking someone to go there and install debian again |
| 17:46.27 | StaRetji | I'm in Serbia :D |
| 17:46.47 | StaRetji | Anyway, thx folks, appreciate your effort |
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| 17:47.25 | _talon | any reason to use cron-apt rather than crontab as root with apt-get update && apt-get -y upgrade? |
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| 17:48.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | tzanger, no, you're supposed to fix your dependencies, not wreck havoc with them - apt-get/aptitude don't work without intact dependencies, so they're refusing to do anything |
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| 17:49.03 | koollman | _talon: I would rather tell cron-apt to send me a mail when upgrades are pending |
| 17:49.20 | koollman | and, yes, many reasons, like a bit more readable logs and such |
| 17:49.54 | _talon | koollman, ok but i can't find any details on how to make it install automatically |
| 17:50.14 | _talon | koollman: i don't care about the dangers of doing it and i don't necessarily want to be notified |
| 17:50.48 | _talon | i've disabled all internet repos (private intranet) and will only be updating from an internal repo controlled by me |
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| 17:51.03 | _talon | in fact there isn't even internet access |
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| 17:51.10 | gnufat | plop :) |
| 17:51.38 | gnufat | Can someone remind me about contrib ? |
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| 17:51.50 | simonrvn | gnufat: can you use the bot? |
| 17:51.58 | gnufat | !list |
| 17:51.58 | dpkg | gnufat: VATTENE VIA |
| 17:52.06 | gnufat | !list |
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| 17:52.16 | simonrvn | uh, no |
| 17:52.18 | _talon | koollman: can you suggest how to make cron-apt auto-upgrade rather than just download? |
| 17:52.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was a "no" |
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| 17:52.34 | simonrvn | try "/msg dpkg contrib" |
| 17:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnufat, there's a contrib (this is a reminder) |
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| 17:53.27 | darkblue_B | hi all- two things on a new debian 5 install.. one is, I see mod_wsgi in "squeeze" testing.. what is it that I do to get that, without having my package mgr tell me there are 200 upgrades available? |
| 17:53.39 | koollman | _talon: doesn't it does that by default ? I haven't used it since... I don't remember when :) |
| 17:53.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | _talon, and e.g. cron-apt: /usr/share/doc/cron-apt/examples/config.gz doesn't give a clue? |
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| 17:53.58 | simonrvn | darkblue_B: you did something to your sources.list |
| 17:53.59 | gnufat | CutMeOwnThroat: Oh yes, thakns :o |
| 17:54.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | koollman, no... as apt-cache show cron-apt tells you |
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| 17:54.21 | darkblue_B | simonrvn: nope - I have done nothing to my sources.list - thats why I ask first !! |
| 17:54.36 | gnufat | (thanks dpkg) |
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| 17:55.05 | gnufat | Well, I wanted to know if contrib was free only |
| 17:55.18 | simonrvn | darkblue_B: then it isn't "debian 5" you have there, is it. it's squeeze. |
| 17:55.22 | gnufat | or if it contained also proprietary things... |
| 17:55.39 | darkblue_B | simonrvn: I thinkk we have a misunderstanding |
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| 17:55.51 | simonrvn | it's "free" stuff that deps on non-free stuff (non-DFSG free) |
| 17:56.02 | darkblue_B | my debian 5 is fine.. I just want this one package from squeeze, pleeze |
| 17:56.11 | _talon | CutMeOwnThroat: not really. Asking dpkg about cron-apt tips did though. |
| 17:56.12 | darkblue_B | whats the best way to do that? |
| 17:56.16 | gnufat | ok, so no contrib for me :) |
| 17:56.19 | gnufat | Thanks :) |
| 17:56.25 | uwjesd | I am getting an error when trying to execute a binary. Does this sound familiar to anyone? bash: ./RegnumOnlineInstall_64: Das Programm kann nicht ausgeführt oder verändert werden (busy) |
| 17:56.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libapache2-mod-wsgi |
| 17:56.26 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libapache2-mod-wsgi -- etch-backports: 2.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.3-1 lenny-backports: 2.5-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6-1 squeeze: 2.6-1 |
| 17:56.32 | simonrvn | darkblue_B: we did yes. |
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| 17:56.43 | simonrvn | darkblue_B: /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:57.16 | darkblue_B | (nothing happened) |
| 17:57.37 | darkblue_B | !tell darkblue_b dpkg backports |
| 17:57.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | darkblue_B, it's in lenny, too? (see judds output above) |
| 17:57.49 | darkblue_B | target invalid |
| 17:58.25 | darkblue_B | the one I see in lenny is 2.5, I want the 2.6 in squeeze, pleeze |
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| 17:59.11 | simonrvn | check the other window in your client |
| 17:59.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's 2.5 in backports |
| 17:59.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I did... there's other people talking there! |
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| 18:00.05 | xreal | My HDD is 160 GB, but only 30 GB on data on it. I want to backup it using DD. Will the image be 160 GB? |
| 18:00.05 | valdyn | xreal: yes |
| 18:00.29 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: heheh |
| 18:00.33 | xreal | valdyn: Can I compress the empty sectors with g7ip or something? |
| 18:00.48 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:00.59 | valdyn | xreal: "empty sectors" do not compress better than "full sectors" |
| 18:01.07 | xreal | ;-( |
| 18:01.15 | valdyn | !partimage |
| 18:01.17 | simonrvn | it's binary data ... |
| 18:01.23 | valdyn | xreal: try partimage |
| 18:01.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | they do if they only contain zeros... |
| 18:01.44 | simonrvn | zero |
| 18:01.55 | simonrvn | zero != less than zero :P |
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| 18:02.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it depends if the "empty sectors" are properly empthy :) |
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| 18:02.55 | darkblue_B | oy - I followed the links on the web pages in packages.debian.org/squeeze and downloaded the single .deb file |
| 18:02.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, dpkg wants me to let you know you should write a factoid for partimage :-P |
| 18:02.58 | valdyn | xreal: if you dont want to or cant use partimage, then you can create a file that occupies to "free" space and contains just zeroes |
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| 18:03.17 | valdyn | dpkg: partimage is "apt-cache show partimage" |
| 18:03.17 | dpkg | okay, valdyn |
| 18:03.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | darkblue_B, that's not the way |
| 18:03.31 | darkblue_B | ??? no one would answer |
| 18:03.32 | valdyn | dpkg: forget partimage |
| 18:03.32 | dpkg | i forgot partimage, valdyn |
| 18:03.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, *a useful factoid |
| 18:03.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | darkblue_B, we did |
| 18:04.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssb |
| 18:04.01 | xreal | valdyn: I think, Windows won't like this when reverting the backup :-) |
| 18:04.02 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 18:04.03 | darkblue_B | ?? |
| 18:04.14 | valdyn | xreal: why would it not? |
| 18:04.45 | valdyn | xreal: its a completely trivial viable solution to get rid of most of the space |
| 18:04.53 | darkblue_B | whatever - there are no dependancies for this one, I didnt ask about sid |
| 18:05.02 | darkblue_B | that backports msg didnt show up previouslyt |
| 18:05.05 | darkblue_B | I got the deb |
| 18:05.11 | xreal | valdyn: The problem is an internal ID of Windows. I think, it the domain will make trouble, when restoring the image. |
| 18:05.32 | valdyn | xreal: i dont get it |
| 18:05.46 | valdyn | xreal: why would it be a problem to create and delete a large file? |
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| 18:06.05 | xreal | valdyn: oh, a large file - sorry, I missunderstood. |
| 18:06.23 | xreal | MMh, what do you think about this one? http://www.fsarchiver.org/Cloning-ntfs |
| 18:06.27 | valdyn | xreal: "free" space is "random content" |
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| 18:06.49 | valdyn | xreal: obviously random content will not compress will, but you can make it all zeroes |
| 18:07.21 | xreal | valdyn: I've got a tool to write 00 to free space. Should I run this a few times? |
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| 18:07.29 | valdyn | xreal: once |
| 18:07.39 | xreal | ok ;-) |
| 18:07.43 | xreal | What do you think about this one? http://www.fsarchiver.org/Cloning-ntfs |
| 18:07.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course, cat /dev/zero >bla;rm bla also does it |
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| 18:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | about this one, we think you should look at partimage as suggested |
| 18:09.25 | ilembitov | Hi, all. Do Debian CD1s include ndiswrapper? I mean, if I don't have access to wired Internet, but I'll have Windows drivers for my Broadcom 4312 wifi, will I get the card to work? |
| 18:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !cd contents |
| 18:09.54 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 18:10.40 | sigmonsays | Hi, apt is asking me if my config files can be overwritten by the packages version. In this case I want this to happen automatically. Is there a way to make this happen? |
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| 18:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | "-y"? |
| 18:11.34 | sigmonsays | nope, -y doesn't do it |
| 18:11.56 | jelly-home | sigmonsays: once you tell it to overwrite, following upgrades will detect intact files and not ask any more |
| 18:12.20 | jelly-home | at least, that's the theory |
| 18:12.29 | sigmonsays | yah, but it's aboutt switching states w/o having this annoying prompt hault my provisioning |
| 18:12.38 | EagleRock | darkblue_B: just as a hint, if you want to grab .debs from a different version of debian, the best way to do so is to add the testing repo to sources.list and pin it down very low so it doesn't automatically install |
| 18:12.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | states? |
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| 18:12.49 | jelly-home | sigmonsays: yes | apt-get whatever? :-D |
| 18:13.00 | sigmonsays | haha |
| 18:13.07 | sigmonsays | go bold (tm) |
| 18:13.09 | simonrvn | jelly-home: heh heh |
| 18:13.21 | xreal | valdyn: Sorry for the question, but how can I write zeros to my free disk space? Remember, it's a NTFS-partition. |
| 18:13.23 | EagleRock | it's usually not recommended to mix stable with any other branch though, but if it's a single package with no dependencies, it should be fine |
| 18:13.37 | valdyn | xreal: ntsfs-3g supports writes |
| 18:14.27 | jelly-home | xreal: right, one stupid way is to make a very large file with zeros until if fills the available space, then delete it |
| 18:14.44 | xreal | But I don't have a clue, how to do this ;-( |
| 18:14.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, yes |aptitude upgrade |
| 18:14.55 | simonrvn | xreal: mount the ntfs as ntfs-3g, then remove everything on that partition :P. there, now you have *tonnes* of free space. |
| 18:15.06 | simonrvn | xreal: i'm j/k |
| 18:15.12 | valdyn | xreal: cat /dev/zero > large_file ( and wait... ) |
| 18:15.14 | xreal | simonrvn: Not free space ... zerro space! |
| 18:15.22 | EagleRock | haha |
| 18:15.25 | simonrvn | xreal: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
| 18:15.42 | xreal | okay, let's hope, everything will work fine ;--( |
| 18:15.56 | jelly-home | xreal: the reason for doing that being...? Virtualization? SSD? |
| 18:15.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | xreal, why don't you just use partimage as we told you numerous times? |
| 18:16.16 | valdyn | i dont know if partimage really supports ntfs |
| 18:16.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | why don't you fucking look at it, then? |
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| 18:16.34 | xreal | CutMeOwnThroat & jelly-home: I thought, partimage does a sector-copy, which will end up with 160 GB. |
| 18:16.41 | jelly-home | !tiafs |
| 18:16.45 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: haha, no, im not going to look |
| 18:16.49 | jelly-home | xreal: you thought wrong |
| 18:16.56 | xreal | oh, nice! |
| 18:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | already "apt-cache show partimage" would have spared you the last 15 minutes of asking |
| 18:17.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, you too, brutus? |
| 18:17.36 | valdyn | NTFSWindows NT, 2000 and XPexperimental |
| 18:17.37 | xreal | CutMeOwnThroat: too risky to crash my windows. |
| 18:17.39 | valdyn | oo |
| 18:17.45 | jelly-home | xreal: the main feature it has is not copying unused parts; we were just wondering if it truly supported ntfs |
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| 18:18.06 | valdyn | but oh well, not like anyone should do backups without verify anyway, so who cares if its "experimental" |
| 18:18.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | xreal, it could only crash anything when you restore a backup... |
| 18:18.34 | xreal | CutMeOwnThroat: But then it's too late ... |
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| 18:19.02 | jetienne | q. where can i find the pre-removal script of a already installed package ? |
| 18:19.11 | xreal | MMh, I'll do it that way: I'll create a full backup with dd and a backup with partimage. |
| 18:19.19 | xreal | Then I can try partimage for NTFS: |
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| 18:21.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | xreal, there's also mondo |
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| 18:23.04 | rgr | the package webcam-server does not provide an init.d script or a startup hook. Best way would to be to just create a script in rcS.d? |
| 18:23.50 | jetienne | a. in /var/lib/dpkg/info (thanks anyway :) |
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| 18:27.32 | Titan8990 | rgr, cp /etc/init.d/skel /etc/init.d/myscript; update-rc.d myscript default |
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| 18:29.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | rgr, perhaps better to read /usr/share/doc/webcam-server/README.Debian ? |
| 18:29.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm, makes you wonder |
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| 18:30.11 | funyun | i am unable to ssh into my dedi server. usually when i do "ssh user@server.ip" i get "user@server.ip's password:". i enter the password and i'm good to go. but now i simply get "Password:". no password i enter works, but after the 3rd attempt i get the usual "user@server.ip's password:". but even then, i am unable to connect. does anyone know what's going on? |
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| 18:30.56 | abrotman | funyun: do you have any other access to the system ? |
| 18:31.35 | funyun | abrotman: i just received rescue mode access |
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| 18:33.12 | funyun | abrotman: i am now logged in as root. but i don't know what to do from here :( |
| 18:33.20 | rgr | Titan8990: yeah did that. a quick sudo update-rc.d webcam-server and all works great. |
| 18:34.16 | Titan8990 | rgr, I do agree with CutMeOwnThroat throat however, reading /usr/share/doc/webcam-server/* would have been ideal |
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| 18:34.39 | Titan8990 | funyun, reset your password, try again |
| 18:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just looked at that.. it doesn't address how the server get started |
| 18:34.52 | Titan8990 | funyun, did you make any configuration changes to /etc/sshd_conifg? |
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| 18:35.23 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, ah, should bug report that |
| 18:35.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hackers, crackers, system-breakers! |
| 18:35.37 | funyun | Titan8990: no |
| 18:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | funyun, look at your logs in /var/log? |
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| 18:36.10 | Titan8990 | yeah, /var/log/auth.log in particular |
| 18:36.16 | abrotman | funyun: debsums might be a good place to start |
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| 18:37.01 | Titan8990 | abrotman, what would he run that against? sshd_config? |
| 18:37.10 | darkham | some amarok 2.2.1 user? |
| 18:37.39 | abrotman | Titan8990: uhm .. /usr/sbin/sshd for starters |
| 18:37.47 | rgr | Yes I'm sure. As for most questions asked here there are docs elsewhere. |
| 18:38.12 | funyun | Titan8990: okay. what exactly am i looking for? |
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| 18:38.48 | Titan8990 | funyun, failed auths by you and users succesfully logging in to root who are not you |
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| 18:40.41 | funyun | Titan8990: Nov 15 18:16:17 rescue sshd[18116]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ssh ruser= rhost=94.199.181.172 |
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| 18:41.31 | iv_s | i remove some package(don't know exactly which), and now all my windows without title and border, i can't resize it and even can't move it! what should i install back? i think it's problem with windows manager. i'm using gnome |
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| 18:42.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | metacity? |
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| 18:43.49 | iv_s | wow! yes, exactly! thanks for help!:) |
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| 18:44.45 | Titan8990 | funyun, are you sure thats you? |
| 18:44.56 | funyun | Titan8990: no, it's not me |
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| 18:45.36 | Titan8990 | funyun, anyways, I would just proceed on with abrotman's suggestion |
| 18:45.41 | rgr | incidentally, FYI, there is no information about what I asked in share/doc/readme.Debian. It deals with the client only. |
| 18:45.52 | blast_hardcheese | iptables question, I'm trying to forward port 9999 on 192.168.0.25 to 6667 on 192.168.0.18 6667; .25 is my gateway |
| 18:46.18 | blast_hardcheese | so if I try to access 192.168.0.25 from eth0, (internal) I need to get forwarded to .18 6667 |
| 18:46.32 | funyun | Titan8990: type /usr/sbin/sshd ? |
| 18:46.48 | blast_hardcheese | to match my external forward rule of eth1's IP:9999 -> 192.168.0.18:6667 |
| 18:46.56 | blast_hardcheese | does this make sense? |
| 18:48.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | rgr, I said that! |
| 18:48.29 | funyun | Titan8990: i'm not sure what to do. i am very much a noob to linux |
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| 18:51.20 | Titan8990 | funyun, did you already just try to reset your root passwd and try again? |
| 18:51.40 | funyun | Titan8990: yes. it says unknown user |
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| 18:51.54 | Titan8990 | funyun, paste the full command your using |
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| 18:52.30 | funyun | Titan8990: well i mean i tried to reset my user password. right now i'm in as root@rescue |
| 18:53.17 | pteco | hi all! |
| 18:53.20 | Titan8990 | funyun, should your user still exist? grep 'myuser' /etc/passwd |
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| 18:54.19 | blast_hardcheese | Anyone? iptables? |
| 18:54.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !hi all |
| 18:54.23 | funyun | Titan8990: reading this now. it was sent to me with rescue mode password http://help.ovh.com/RescueMode , scroll to Rescue in SSH |
| 18:54.23 | dpkg | Hi no-one! |
| 18:55.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | #iptables? |
| 18:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | although, that goes to #netfilter |
| 18:55.21 | pteco | anyone can explain to me why I am the tenth times prescribed to mac-address of the access point to which I want to connect? |
| 18:56.17 | pteco | sudo iwconfig wlan0 ap 00:14:6C:E3:DF:8E |
| 18:56.19 | blast_hardcheese | CutMeOwnThroat: :( |
| 18:56.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | blast_hardcheese, also, did you read their faq? it's at http://tinyurl.com/myaqo6 |
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| 18:57.19 | TomyLobo | hi. is there some kind of GUI (or TUI) network configuration program? |
| 18:57.41 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 18:58.13 | blast_hardcheese | TomyLobo: ifconfig? |
| 18:59.17 | EagleRock | TomyLobo: on the GUI side, there's also network-manager |
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| 19:00.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | TUI? Isn't that an airline? |
| 19:00.35 | Titan8990 | funyun, it looks like they currently have you in a livecd, in which you must mount your filesystem and chroot into it prior to being able to fix anything |
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| 19:00.40 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, textual user interface |
| 19:01.23 | funyun | Titan8990: when i type fdisk -l i get this http://pastebin.ca/1676826 |
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| 19:04.08 | djveer | what kind of hardware specs would I be looking at for a good performing web server running Debian? or does anybody have any recommendations |
| 19:04.25 | djveer | roughly |
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| 19:05.33 | cusco | hio |
| 19:05.37 | BossMan | djveer: that is highly dependant on what you are doing, are you hosting files? running a SQL db w/ front end? |
| 19:05.45 | cusco | can't root attach to a screen session belonging of another user? |
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| 19:06.03 | BossMan | any modern system should suffice |
| 19:06.24 | EagleRock | cusco: try su-ing as the user from root to reattach the screen |
| 19:06.41 | djveer | BossMan: likely very little file hosting, mostly just basic web hosting possibly some SQL with a web front end for a handful of users |
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| 19:07.35 | EagleRock | djveer: you should be able to suffice with a pretty low-spec system |
| 19:07.39 | _SKiTZO | thats so childish |
| 19:07.39 | _SKiTZO | omg |
| 19:07.39 | mesaGL | attack in progress, by the looks of it |
| 19:07.49 | djveer | bots? |
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| 19:09.16 | abrotman | debhelper: thanks! |
| 19:09.31 | _SKiTZO | thanks |
| 19:09.34 | ranix | crazy |
| 19:09.35 | djveer | phew |
| 19:09.37 | EagleRock | much better |
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| 19:09.57 | sussudio | i wonder if this is the same idiot as yesterday on another network |
| 19:10.11 | sussudio | is it a school vacation? |
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| 19:10.43 | abrotman | sussudio: that's next week .. beware!! |
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| 19:10.52 | sussudio | ah, balls. |
| 19:10.54 | djveer | Strange, why do they do that? |
| 19:10.58 | [Elvis] | hej guys, how can i fix it when I forgot root password? |
| 19:11.00 | [Elvis] | in console |
| 19:11.05 | [Elvis] | boot live cd or something? |
| 19:11.06 | sussudio | djveer: mommy took away their playboys? |
| 19:11.06 | abrotman | djveer: because people are bored and stupid |
| 19:11.10 | abrotman | !tell [Elvis] about ifrp |
| 19:11.17 | _SKiTZO | its a rush for anyone who is aged 14 or below |
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| 19:12.35 | djveer | lol.... because mommy took away their playboys |
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| 19:13.00 | careta | hey is there a debian equivalent of this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/417757 ? |
| 19:13.06 | funyun | can anyone help me mount my filesystem. i am in rescue mode and was given this for guidance http://help.ovh.com/RescueMode but i still don't understand. :( |
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| 19:13.20 | sussudio | !tell careta about bugs |
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| 19:13.31 | simonrvn | debhelper: good bot ;) |
| 19:13.33 | [Elvis] | abrotman I added init=/bin/sh as a new line |
| 19:13.39 | [Elvis] | it says unknown command |
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| 19:13.57 | karsten | [Elvis]: grub boot line? |
| 19:14.14 | karsten | [Elvis]: Add "init=/bin/bash" at the *end* of the kernel line. |
| 19:14.18 | BubbaT | I want to take a small linux, put it inside a VM along with an application that starts on boot. I want to take this VM put it on a USB drive, I want to run this VM on XP, Vista and Debian, and probably W7 in the future. |
| 19:14.20 | [Elvis] | ah |
| 19:14.28 | [Elvis] | I had to add it after the last line, instead of a new line |
| 19:14.33 | BubbaT | What would be a good VM to do this with. |
| 19:14.36 | karsten | [Elvis]: It's a kernel argument, not a grub directive. |
| 19:14.48 | _SKiTZO | BubbaT: i would try virtualbox |
| 19:14.49 | djveer | EagleRock: do you think that a single core Xeon, with 2GB of RAM and a single 160GB hard drive would be enough for that? |
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| 19:15.00 | karsten | [Elvis]: You'll also need to remount the root filesystem rw once booted, let us know when you get there. |
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| 19:15.25 | EagleRock | djveer: I would say so, as long as you don't need more disk space than that |
| 19:15.52 | djveer | EagleRock: likely not but we'll see. hrmm thanks :) |
| 19:15.57 | BubbaT | _SKiTZO: If that's the best I can do then OK, but VBox on Windows is a bit of a pain. |
| 19:15.58 | _SKiTZO | BubbaT: virtualbox is floss, good and has binaries for windows and linux |
| 19:16.00 | [Elvis] | karsten, I decided to just do a reinsall |
| 19:16.01 | [Elvis] | :P |
| 19:16.16 | _SKiTZO | BubbaT: ?? i use vbox on windows/linux and had no issues whatsoever |
| 19:16.17 | karsten | [Elvis]: Stupid. |
| 19:16.26 | karsten | [Elvis]: Recovering root password is trivially easy. |
| 19:16.36 | _SKiTZO | BubbaT: what are your issues = |
| 19:16.37 | _SKiTZO | ? |
| 19:16.59 | BubbaT | I just hate that manager especially if I'm going to have my VM on a USB stick. |
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| 19:17.11 | [Elvis] | karsten, it was a fresh install |
| 19:17.15 | [Elvis] | which takes like 5 minutes :P |
| 19:17.23 | karsten | djveer: webserver specs really depend on what you're running on the webserver, and what the demand is on it. A single box running modperl apache should be good up to about 100k hits per day. |
| 19:17.25 | [Elvis] | I must have mistyped it twice during install |
| 19:17.29 | nimbius | loaded the netinst image by usb drive on my dell d620 and it wont detect the NIC. how to resolve? |
| 19:17.33 | karsten | [Elvis]: It's still stupid. |
| 19:17.37 | _SKiTZO | manager? i am sure you can script everything so that you just click an icon to start the vm |
| 19:17.43 | simonrvn | s,faff,pepp,i |
| 19:17.48 | valdyn | BubbaT: "a vm" is only a disk image in plenty vm systems |
| 19:17.52 | karsten | [Elvis]: boot init=/binbash. 'mount -o remount,rw /; passwd' |
| 19:17.53 | djveer | karsten: what about a basic LAMP server? |
| 19:17.59 | karsten | [Elvis]: ... that's it. |
| 19:18.00 | cahoot | nimbius: wifi? |
| 19:18.11 | nimbius | cahoot nic, network interface card. not wifi. |
| 19:18.14 | karsten | djveer: Same. |
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| 19:18.29 | slope | why isn't gnote included in testing? if you read the first bug here it ends with the mantainer deciding to allow it anyway, so why can't I install it from the repo? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=gnote;dist=unstable |
| 19:18.29 | djveer | karsten: thanks |
| 19:18.29 | valdyn | BubbaT: that means youre not restricted to a single "vm system" when you have a disk image |
| 19:18.49 | karsten | djveer: If you're interested in higher performance and scalable architectures, see: http://www.amazon.com/Scalable-Internet-Architectures-Theo-Schlossnagle/dp/067232699X |
| 19:18.53 | _SKiTZO | BubbaT: I think the "manager" in vbox is second to none. it provides all the necessary options in an intuitive and easy to use interface |
| 19:18.56 | valdyn | BubbaT: especially if the virtualised system is not windows |
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| 19:19.16 | cahoot | nimbius: lenny? |
| 19:19.17 | karsten | [Elvis]: And at some point, password recovery is going to be a skill you'll want to have. Better to learn now IMO. |
| 19:19.28 | BubbaT | valdyn: Are you saying that a VBox image can be used with QEMU? |
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| 19:19.38 | valdyn | BubbaT: i dont know vbox |
| 19:19.46 | nimbius | yes, broadcom netXtreme |
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| 19:19.56 | valdyn | BubbaT: i bet you can though |
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| 19:19.57 | BubbaT | then vmware |
| 19:20.11 | _SKiTZO | BubbaT: valdyn is right, although I would use one vm system so as to avoid having to install many sets of guest additions (i am assuming you will be using this vm interactively with a gui+++) |
| 19:20.22 | cahoot | nimbius: might be you need a newer kernel, try /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 19:20.32 | nimbius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.35 | nimbius | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.40 | _SKiTZO | BubbaT: i have ported images from vmware to vbox |
| 19:20.45 | _SKiTZO | it works great |
| 19:20.46 | nimbius | hm |
| 19:20.48 | valdyn | BubbaT: some "guest additions" are in stock debian kernels |
| 19:20.59 | valdyn | BubbaT: but thats probably only kvm virtio stuff |
| 19:21.01 | eshat | Hi all, I want to compile amarok (git snapshot), but need a library source in a special version, that is not in the repository, so I downloaded latest source from website, where to I have to put it ? or is there a easier way ? |
| 19:21.10 | simonrvn | nimbius: try without the space in front ... |
| 19:21.19 | _SKiTZO | but as i said... bewate that you need to install guest addition for all the environments you will be running your vm in for it to be useful |
| 19:21.21 | djveer | I'm really torn between Debian vs. Ubuntu server.. I know the basic differences but i'm still torn. Is there any reasoning why Debian would be the clear choice over Ubuntu server? (sorry if this is the wrong channel to ask that in) |
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| 19:21.22 | valdyn | BubbaT: theoretically you can install all of them, debian would detect the right things automagically |
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| 19:21.42 | karsten | djveer: Now, for a 15m pageviews/week site backed with an Oracle database and heavy on images: about 200 webservers, and 6 database servers, with a fully redundant, dual-homed, dual-switched datacenter layout. |
| 19:22.06 | valdyn | djveer: it doesnt matter |
| 19:22.26 | simonrvn | s,apache,lighttpd, |
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| 19:22.27 | karsten | djveer: we're going to say Debian, for the most part. What's the application area / use? |
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| 19:23.10 | nimbius | cahoot trying it now |
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| 19:24.00 | nima0102 | Can anybody explain this paragraph on "http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00003.html" : xen dom 0 |
| 19:24.01 | nima0102 | +++++++++ |
| 19:24.01 | nima0102 | This feature will be included in the squeeze kernel release subject to |
| 19:24.01 | nima0102 | ongoing stabilisation work. The feature will be marked as deprecated |
| 19:24.01 | nima0102 | and will not appear in future releases. |
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| 19:24.10 | careta | is there a way to disable ipv6 without unloading the module? |
| 19:24.18 | karsten | djveer: My vote, using both Debian and Ubuntu (current box is Ubuntu) is that Debian is less flakey, especially on stable builds, though stable remains stable for a long time (about 18 months between releases). Backports becomes a necessity if you go that route, though "testing" for smaller sites is very teneable. |
| 19:24.42 | karsten | careta: firewall rules, come to mind. |
| 19:24.55 | BossMan | careta: ifconfig |
| 19:24.59 | karsten | careta: Why not disable the module if you don't plan on using it? |
| 19:25.07 | abrotman | take the interface down >? |
| 19:25.09 | karsten | careta: also null-routing all ipv6 routes. |
| 19:25.18 | karsten | abrotman: That too. |
| 19:25.22 | valdyn | !ipv6 |
| 19:25.23 | dpkg | well, ipv6 is at http://www.ipv6.org/, available in Debian since <potato>, or also known as "ipng", or read RFC 1924, or /msg ChanServ list #*ipv6*, or see <iproute>, or http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/, or to get rid of it, ask me about <noipv6>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIPv6 |
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| 19:26.09 | valdyn | nimbius: it means taht future debian releases wont support xen dom 0 |
| 19:26.13 | djveer | karsten: do you manage such a mentioned infrastructure that you mentioned above? |
| 19:26.30 | hark | careta: you can set your preference for ipv4 over ipv6 |
| 19:26.56 | nimbius | why no xen? |
| 19:27.00 | nimbius | kvm maybe? |
| 19:27.17 | valdyn | nimbius: is there any recent kernels with xen dom 0 support? |
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| 19:27.31 | nimbius | valdyn dont think so, i use kvm and qemu. |
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| 19:27.39 | karsten | djveer: I did until last week. |
| 19:27.43 | valdyn | nimbius: thats probably the main reason i think |
| 19:27.54 | djveer | karsten: Cool, and it was on Debian? |
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| 19:28.13 | nima0102 | valdyn, you told that " it means taht future debian releases wont support xen dom 0", is it true??? |
| 19:28.30 | valdyn | nima0102: thats what that link sais |
| 19:28.41 | valdyn | nima0102: read the mail yourself.... |
| 19:28.54 | djveer | karsten: and by your opinion both Ubuntu serv and Debian work well but you would say Debian is slightly more stable? |
| 19:28.55 | nima0102 | valdyn,which link?? |
| 19:29.07 | valdyn | "http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00003.html" |
| 19:29.32 | karsten | djveer: Debian-based infrastructure, RHEL for the Oracle db servers. Mostly running sarge and lenny (migrating to sarge). |
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| 19:29.44 | nima0102 | valdyn,then you got my writing :) |
| 19:29.51 | valdyn | djveer: stability is the last of your concerns |
| 19:29.58 | karsten | djveer: Debian annoys me less than Ubuntu does. Ubuntu does a few things well (cutting edge features, piloted upstart, now in Debian testing). |
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| 19:30.02 | valdyn | djveer: or one that is fullfilled by about any real os |
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| 19:30.20 | valdyn | djveer: thus its not really a criteria |
| 19:30.36 | _SKiTZO | omg how is it possible? wont debian support xen? why |
| 19:30.39 | alecmuffett | is there any way to get dpkg/apt to resolve and install dependencies which are cited |
| 19:30.45 | alecmuffett | …in a standalone .deb file |
| 19:30.47 | karsten | djveer: Biggest hassles were mostly on the monitoring end and having to go to backports for new features. For any large website you're in a constant battle of keeping current vs. keeping stable. |
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| 19:30.55 | karsten | _SKiTZO: Wrong. It does. |
| 19:31.10 | _SKiTZO | karsten: just not as the host? |
| 19:31.15 | valdyn | _SKiTZO: you should read the info before asking |
| 19:31.25 | karsten | _SKiTZO: Wrong again. |
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| 19:31.32 | karsten | !tell _SKiTZO about xen |
| 19:31.42 | hark | alecmuffett: install it using dpkg and then run apt-get install -f or use gdebi |
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| 19:32.06 | karsten | _SKiTZO: Why don't you describe your specific problem / error, rather than making blanket assumptions and having us play 20 questions. |
| 19:32.31 | nima0102 | !tell nima0102 about xen |
| 19:32.48 | djveer | karsten: cool, thanks for your input! that's neat to hear about that.. i've never managed an infrastructure that large before |
| 19:33.01 | alecmuffett | hark: i'll need to force-install it? dpkg is complaining about unresolved dependecies |
| 19:33.13 | TomyLobo | EagleRock i dont seem to have that and i cant install it since the network isnt working ^^ |
| 19:33.22 | _SKiTZO | karsten: ok now its your turn to read. i know what xen is. but the link that Mr. nima0102 clearly stated that xen dom0 support was going to be marked deprecated |
| 19:33.25 | TomyLobo | (network-manager) |
| 19:33.26 | _SKiTZO | in squeeze |
| 19:33.38 | djveer | valdyn: pardon my stupidity.. but I don't understand what you mean by stability isn't really a valid concern. ARe you implying that all modern OS' are inherently stable so I dont' really have to worry about it? |
| 19:33.50 | _SKiTZO | i wanted to verify that this was the case, hence my question |
| 19:33.58 | funyun | can anyone help me mount my filesystem. i am in rescue mode and was given this for guidance http://help.ovh.com/RescueMode (scroll to Rescue in SSH) but i still don't understand. :( |
| 19:34.24 | EagleRock | TomyLobo: can you configure manually using /etc/network/interfaces to get online and install it? |
| 19:34.27 | _SKiTZO | funyun: why are you in rescue mode? |
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| 19:34.47 | TomyLobo | well configuring the interface is basically the only thing i wanna do with it :D |
| 19:34.49 | funyun | _SKiTZO: because i can't access user or root |
| 19:34.58 | TomyLobo | it's one of those chicken-egg problems |
| 19:35.02 | karsten | _SKiTZO: Well, I used to work for XenSource, though I haven't played with Xen for a few years (there are IMO better virtualization options for Linux). dom0 support is a matter of running the hypervisor as boot, depends if you want a fat dom0 (desktop) or thin (server), mostly. |
| 19:35.03 | _SKiTZO | funyun: what do you want to do? back up your data? |
| 19:35.11 | nima0102 | <_SKiTZO>,Do you want install Xen on squeeze too??? |
| 19:35.25 | funyun | _SKiTZO: it's on a dedicated server. i just want to be able to access my user/root again |
| 19:35.30 | EagleRock | TomyLobo: is this a wired connection or wireless? |
| 19:35.34 | nimbius | LOL debian still cant find my ethernet card. |
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| 19:35.48 | _SKiTZO | nima0102: no i just want xen to stick around as i have invested like 4 monthis in a whole setup with xen+debian in the center |
| 19:35.52 | karsten | djveer: There's a lot of large infrastructures out there, the literature on them is pretty thin. Check out LISA/Usenix for some of the more interesting stuff. Or anything Google puts out. |
| 19:35.55 | hark | alecmuffett: where's the confusion? |
| 19:35.58 | TomyLobo | EagleRock neither |
| 19:36.09 | TomyLobo | my debian is running in a VM :) |
| 19:36.25 | _SKiTZO | funyun: and you cant because the system is mounted read only? |
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| 19:36.51 | nima0102 | <_SKiTZO>,Unfortunately, I did not clearly understand that Xen will be supported in future on kernel or separated package ?!!! |
| 19:36.59 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, I had to run, hes in a live environment and has not mounted his filesystem so that he can chroot in to it |
| 19:37.03 | funyun | _SKiTZO: i have no clue actually. i am a noob to linux |
| 19:37.16 | karsten | _SKiTZO: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen should have current info. Looks as if there are some kernel incompatibilities, though I'd suspect you can build your own. |
| 19:37.41 | karsten | _SKiTZO: Xen dev team and kernel dev team have had a pretty rocky relationship. Citrix (MSFT friend) buying XenSource didn't help much with that. |
| 19:37.57 | hark | nimbius: what card? |
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| 19:38.40 | _SKiTZO | ah |
| 19:38.40 | nima0102 | _SKiTZO,all of documents are about lenny not squeeze, so I confused that I install Xen on squeeze or not:( |
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| 19:38.48 | karsten | _SKiTZO: Wiki page mentions -xen kernel variants w/ Xen support patches for dom0 support. Suggest you do your research on that. I'm about 99.89227% certain you'll be able to run a Xen Dom0 on Debian. |
| 19:39.11 | greycat | If you are running any version of Debian that has NOT been released yet, you are expected to be clever enough to figure things out. |
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| 19:39.43 | EagleRock | TomyLobo: I'm not sure how you set up your hypervisor, but I'm assuming you should be able to configure your network using interfaces...use the man page on interfaces for more info |
| 19:39.52 | karsten | _SKiTZO: KVM (kernel virtual machines) would be my preference these days for running isolated Linux instances. If you need to run other OSes (eg: Windows, BSD) on the same box, then go with Xen. If just multipel LInux instances, KVM or similar. |
| 19:40.00 | _SKiTZO | i am not :P but i am investing time into a system that hoepfully will last more than one release cycle :P |
| 19:40.38 | nima0102 | _SKiTZO,all of documents are about lenny not squeeze, so I confused that I install Xen on squeeze or not:( |
| 19:40.43 | _SKiTZO | karsten: if other distros take better care of their xen parts i will switch in an instant |
| 19:42.31 | karsten | _SKiTZO: From what I'm seeing, Suse seems to be maintaining support, and I suspect RH is as well. Do your own homework on that. |
| 19:42.34 | nima0102 | Has anybody until now installed Xen on squeeze??? |
| 19:43.00 | greycat | NIMA0102: If you are running any version of Debian that has NOT been released yet, you are expected to be clever enough to figure things out. |
| 19:43.11 | greycat | Stop repeating dumb questions. |
| 19:43.17 | _SKiTZO | hehe im having a dejavu here |
| 19:43.22 | _SKiTZO | there is a glitch in the matrix |
| 19:43.24 | _SKiTZO | take cover |
| 19:43.25 | _SKiTZO | :P |
| 19:44.02 | nimbius | netxtreme 2 |
| 19:44.09 | nimbius | just added the nonfree driver to the install |
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| 19:45.22 | alecmuffett | hark: i just tried it and it worked, sort-of. Thanks. I didn't know it would do that. It burped the first time I tried apt-get -f install because one of the dependency packages was not fully set up somehow, a Django thing complaining about some python package being unavailable. Worked second time. Any idea how I might address that? Re-ordering dependencies, maybe? |
| 19:45.42 | karsten | _SKiTZO: _ |
| 19:45.44 | hark | nimbius: you mean firmware? |
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| 19:46.49 | nimbius | hark possibly, i have a deb package on the thumbdrive but i dont know what to do with it now. |
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| 19:47.16 | hark | alecmuffett: if the dependencies are available, shouldn't be a problem. you can also use aptitude install -f instead. |
| 19:47.28 | hark | nimbius: you are installing lenny? netinst? |
| 19:48.51 | hark | alecmuffett: gdebi is a somewhat less messier way to go about it if you want to install it |
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| 19:49.28 | nimbius | hark yes, broadcom nic on a dell |
| 19:50.15 | karsten | _SKiTZO: Looks as if RH is deprecating Xen in favor of KVM: http://lwn.net/Articles/350733/ |
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| 19:50.37 | Titan8990 | karsten, suse did too |
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| 19:51.06 | karsten | _SKiTZO: ... and dom0 problems are also affecting Fedora: http://lwn.net/Articles/324063/ |
| 19:51.11 | karsten | Titan8990: Links? |
| 19:51.46 | karsten | Titan8990: I find: http://searchsystemschannel.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid99_gci1359651,00.html |
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| 19:52.28 | hark | nimbius: all you need is the firmware. to get it at install time /msg dpkg installer firmware . also kmuto has the firmware built in, but you have to fix the path. easiest is to just do a base install and install the firmware-bnx2 package later |
| 19:53.42 | Titan8990 | karsten, hehe, I just read something similar when looking |
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| 19:54.03 | nimbius | hark i have the firmware, its copied to the install usb, and it isnt loading. |
| 19:54.04 | Titan8990 | karsten, I thought I had read about it in one of the trade magazines they give me here at work but I must have been mistaken |
| 19:54.38 | karsten | Titan8990: Cool. Seems to be the case. There's also, what's it called? Oh yeah: VMWare :) |
| 19:56.40 | _SKiTZO | nooooo. it cant be! it was like the perfect vm and they all ditched it simultaneously |
| 19:56.50 | _SKiTZO | a nightmare! |
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| 19:57.16 | _SKiTZO | spread the message of love: xen + debian :P |
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| 19:58.23 | karsten | _SKiTZO: That was xen, this is now. |
| 19:58.26 | racecar56 | the lenny installer doesn't seem to be making the progress bar moving as it resizes a partition, why? is it because it's slow? =P |
| 19:58.44 | hark | nimbius: go for the other options then. i'll check if the firmware is there in the tar.gz. /msg dpkg bnx2 and make sure your nic is the one there |
| 19:59.12 | nimbius | drat, apparently i need debian to run the script to add the nonfree packages. |
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| 19:59.17 | greycat | If there's no feedback during the resizing, then the progress bar can't know when to grow. |
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| 19:59.44 | racecar56 | greycat: that sounds about right. |
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| 20:00.20 | ranix | I wish to redirect output of /foo/bar.sh to /var/log/foobar.log, but I would *also* like that output to be sent to stdout |
| 20:00.21 | hark | nimbius: it's there |
| 20:00.28 | jelly-home | ranix: tee |
| 20:00.30 | ranix | is there a way to do this? |
| 20:00.37 | BossMan | yup tee |
| 20:00.43 | nimbius | so wish i didnt have a dell. |
| 20:00.58 | ranix | I am reading man tee |
| 20:00.59 | BossMan | sh bar.sh |tee -a bar.log |
| 20:01.02 | ranix | thanks jelly-home, BossMan |
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| 20:01.17 | dkr | I'm riding a manatee |
| 20:01.40 | racecar56 | :P |
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| 20:01.55 | abrotman | ranix: script |
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| 20:02.24 | greycat | script(1) is more suited to long strings of interactive commands |
| 20:02.33 | racecar56 | nimbius: my dell made it easier for me with linux :P i could update the firmware without using windows :D |
| 20:02.42 | ranix | thanks, tee is more correct for this application |
| 20:03.22 | abrotman | well, he didn't say what the script did! |
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| 20:03.57 | ranix | it's a script that asks which filesystem you would like to dump to tape manually |
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| 20:04.36 | ranix | it logs all output to a log file, then emails the log file to every administrator |
| 20:04.55 | sander | Hi all. I have a problem. I just upgraded my box to Squeeze but mdadm won't start (so LVM won't start, so the system won't start). I'm dropped in a busybox shell with the helpful message "Failure: failed to assemble all arrays." |
| 20:05.00 | sander | What can I do? |
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| 20:05.26 | sander | During the upgrade I got an error that /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf did not contain my array. |
| 20:05.40 | sander | Before upgrading I ran `mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf` |
| 20:05.54 | ranix | why |
| 20:06.07 | jelly-home | sander: did you rebuild the initrd, er, initramfs after that? |
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| 20:06.48 | sander | jelly-home: Nope. Isn't aptitude supposed to do that anyway when it installs the new kernel? |
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| 20:07.24 | greycat | sander: in a standard install, yes, it should. It uses the /etc/kernel-img.con file to see what to do. |
| 20:07.33 | sander | Anyway, when I looked at mdadm.conf there were two entries. One for ARRAY /dev/md0 and the new one for /dev/md/0 with a different UID |
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| 20:08.16 | sander | greycat: So, somehow it didn't? |
| 20:08.25 | jelly-home | sander: was the kernel image configured before or after mdadm package, that is the question |
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| 20:10.01 | sander | jelly-home: No idea. Whatever way aptitude does it. It's supposed to be smart about that stuff, right? I did run `mdadm --detail --scan ?? /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf` after everything else. |
| 20:10.22 | sander | As I said above there were two entries in there. I commented out the old one and rebooted. |
| 20:10.55 | sander | I did not manually regenerate initramfs after editing mdadm.conf |
| 20:11.10 | jelly-home | well, boot a livecd, figure out the correct ARRAY, rebuild the initramfs, reboot and hope |
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| 20:12.08 | sander | Will any LiveCD do? I got a couple of ubuntu CDs on my desk.... or does it have to be a Debian Squeeze LiveCD? |
| 20:12.27 | greycat | just has to be one that can see all your devices |
| 20:12.40 | hetOrakel | i have little artifacts on my screen since a couple of weeks |
| 20:12.47 | sander | Then Ubuntu will do. |
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| 20:12.58 | ranix | hetOrakel: should not punch your monitor while playing Quake Live |
| 20:13.04 | hetOrakel | :) |
| 20:13.20 | hetOrakel | i think it's since some update |
| 20:13.28 | ranix | can you describe your artifactsz |
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| 20:14.21 | uwjesd | What is the root mysql-password by default? |
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| 20:14.31 | greycat | whatever you typed during package configuration |
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| 20:14.52 | ranix | root used to not have a password before Lenny |
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| 20:15.46 | Titan8990 | same with gentoo, have to assign it first with the mysqladmin tool, which I think the debian docs still cover in /usr/share/doc/mysql-server |
| 20:15.53 | hetOrakel | it's very strange when i grab a blank (black) terminal window and sweep it a little around it gets green spots on it when i put it to then back and then to the front the spots are gone... |
| 20:16.11 | hetOrakel | i can even capture a screenshot of it..... |
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| 20:17.36 | nimbius | how do i load the .deb file on my USB install drive? |
| 20:18.03 | hetOrakel | there sometime is also a little trace folowing the cursor (arrow) |
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| 20:18.09 | hetOrakel | where can i put a screenshot |
| 20:19.35 | Titan8990 | hetOrakel, imagebin.ca |
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| 20:22.11 | hetOrakel | oke, here you can see them http://imagebin.org/72130 |
| 20:23.00 | Titan8990 | hetOrakel, gnome-terminal the only application that does it? |
| 20:23.01 | nimbius | wow...now the textmode installer is just freezing up. |
| 20:23.25 | Titan8990 | nimbius, it sounds like you should be using the installer that is made for newer hardware |
| 20:23.37 | Titan8990 | unfortunately I don't recall the name or bot command |
| 20:23.49 | nimbius | Titan8990 im using the newer one from the JP link. |
| 20:23.54 | Cybertinus | hi |
| 20:24.10 | Cybertinus | is there some way to find the default Apache configuration Debian Lenny install? |
| 20:24.16 | Cybertinus | installs* |
| 20:24.20 | greycat | Cybertinus: install it, then look in /etc/apache2 |
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| 20:24.29 | hetOrakel | no, totem has also artifacts, never had them before |
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| 20:25.03 | Cybertinus | greycat: I've already installed it. Then I removed some parts from the config file because I thought I didn't need those. Now I find that I need them, so I must put those settings back |
| 20:25.14 | sander | Okay. Ubuntu 8.10 is running from livecd. How can I use it to generate a new initramfs? |
| 20:25.15 | djveer | can gparted resize ntfs volumes? |
| 20:25.31 | greycat | you could debootstrap into a chroot and install it there. or just install it on another box that's never had apache2 installed yet. |
| 20:25.39 | jelly-home | djveer: some. |
| 20:25.45 | greycat | or extract the .deb file in /tmp and see what it has |
| 20:25.57 | djveer | jelly-home: what restrictions are there? |
| 20:26.08 | jelly-home | djveer: uhm... read at their site? |
| 20:26.23 | djveer | jelly-home: hehe okay was just seeing if you knew |
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| 20:26.32 | [SilverFox] | hey looks this frigan sweet 2d MMORPG Maker I found. http://devogeninteractive.com/forum/index.php it has a server client and editor the editor sweet since you can editor remote to the server. So you can have like 2-3 editors and the best part updates to the server live lol... |
| 20:26.37 | jelly-home | I'm not sure if they support all the latest ntfs stuff (win7/2008?) |
| 20:26.54 | djveer | ah it's just an XP box i'm trying to do it on anwyays |
| 20:26.59 | \amethyst | !confmiss |
| 20:26.59 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 20:27.02 | \amethyst | Cybertinus: ^^ |
| 20:27.23 | [Elvis] | hej guys, which is the normal sata driver used in debian? |
| 20:27.30 | alecmuffett | hark: thank you, gdebi is perfect |
| 20:27.39 | \amethyst | Cybertinus: except instead of confmiss it will be confnew |
| 20:27.53 | Cybertinus | \amethyst: thnx :). But I absolutely don't want to reinstall the config :). It is working now perfectly, I just need to add a few lines ;) |
| 20:27.59 | \amethyst | Cybertinus: ah |
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| 20:28.19 | pickcoder | [Elvis]: there is no "normal sata driver" it is chipset specific |
| 20:28.21 | jelly-home | djveer: worked on mine. 2-3 years ago. gparted misdetected the disk geometry used though. |
| 20:28.40 | Cybertinus | \amethyst: or if anyone can tell me the lines of the cgi-bin which are in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default, then I'm happy too ;) |
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| 20:28.59 | jelly-home | pickcoder: ahci works for many compliant chipsets, perhaps that's what he means |
| 20:29.20 | [Elvis] | pickcoder RAID bus controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3114 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 02) |
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| 20:30.14 | \amethyst | Cybertinus: http://paste.debian.net/51849/ |
| 20:30.16 | jelly-home | [Elvis]: sata_sil24 |
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| 20:32.33 | sander | Ubuntu livecd is running and `mdadm --assemble --scan` was able to create /dev/md0 succesfully. |
| 20:32.42 | sander | So, what's next? |
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| 20:33.05 | [Elvis] | where can I find that driver jelly-home ? |
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| 20:33.17 | jelly-home | it's in Debian. |
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| 20:33.49 | jelly-home | comes in any recent kernel package, [Elvis] |
| 20:33.54 | djveer | jelly-home: well I think it would have worked.. but for whatever reason the volume is a dynamic disk.. and gparted says it can't change those |
| 20:34.01 | [Elvis] | hmm jelly-home I tried using xen on debian |
| 20:34.10 | [Elvis] | during installation of virtual machine it reports missing the driver |
| 20:34.31 | jelly-home | I know nothing about xen, sorry |
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| 20:35.53 | hetOrakel | <Titan8990> Any Idea? |
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| 20:36.11 | jelly-home | !any idea |
| 20:36.12 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen three-legged hamsters. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 20:40.27 | bipolar | Does anyone know of a terminal application that has the option to lock the number of rows/columns and scale to font when the window is resized? |
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| 20:44.03 | nimbius | so debian does not even detect the network card. |
| 20:44.19 | nimbius | it shows up in lspci, but never prompts for firmware. |
| 20:44.31 | nimbius | this happens on the old, as well as the newest installed gzip. |
| 20:45.01 | nimbius | and only with this abhorrent little dell d620. |
| 20:45.10 | nimbius | with the broadcom netxtreme card. |
| 20:45.27 | nimbius | i cant build an image as the bot suggests in its documentation link, because i dont have debian. |
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| 20:46.41 | \amethyst | !kmuto |
| 20:46.42 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 20:46.55 | \amethyst | nimbius: perhaps one of those installers will work? |
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| 20:48.05 | abrotman | probably like a tg3 where they removed the firmware |
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| 20:54.41 | giusef | Hi folks, is there anyone who knows if exim is chrootable in such a way? |
| 20:55.30 | xreal | Should I use onboard-RAID-chip or Debian's software-RAID for RAID-0 (yes, I want RAID-0!)? |
| 20:56.26 | BossMan | onboard |
| 20:56.29 | jelly-home | xreal: there's only one answer to that: benchmark for yourself |
| 20:56.32 | BossMan | hardware = faster |
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| 20:56.52 | jelly-home | but onboard-raid = crap (often) |
| 20:57.06 | BossMan | perpahs |
| 20:57.27 | BossMan | benchmark it xreal |
| 20:57.31 | maligor | usually the boards don't have raid chips |
| 20:57.44 | xreal | jelly-home & BossMan: onboard raid could be accessed from Windows & Linux, couldn't it ? |
| 20:57.45 | maligor | it's just bios foolery and sw raid |
| 20:57.58 | bipolar | xreal: one positive of using linux raid is that you can move the hard drives to another box in case your MB fails. |
| 20:58.04 | jelly-home | xreal: no idea |
| 20:58.28 | maligor | xreal, well, it's typically called fakeraid |
| 20:58.30 | xreal | no problem for the data, I can restore it from a fileserver |
| 20:58.31 | nimbius | no fix, lenny still will not detect my half-whit broadcom netxtreme 2 nic. |
| 20:58.47 | jelly-home | xreal: what kind of workload are you going to have, to run different OSes? |
| 20:58.49 | maligor | I guess some very high end or server boards might have real raid tho |
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| 20:59.36 | maligor | ie, stuff that offload the operations to a separate controller |
| 20:59.36 | xreal | jelly-home: I discussed it last week, perhaps you were in here. It's Geographical data with a database (aerial imagery etc.). Some of the prof. GIS-Tools are only avail. from Windows. |
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| 21:00.36 | maligor | xreal, why do you need raid? dataset size? |
| 21:00.50 | maligor | raid is primarily for availability |
| 21:01.11 | djveer | Do people often come to this channel for ubuntu server support? or do they get shooosted out? lol |
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| 21:01.28 | jelly-home | raid0 isn't raid, so obviously not for availability |
| 21:01.29 | xreal | maligor: I need fast reading performance (> 300 MB aerial imagery etc.) |
| 21:01.32 | greycat | once we discover they're asking about ubuntu, they're asked to take it to #ubuntu |
| 21:01.36 | jelly-home | djveer: the latter |
| 21:01.41 | void_pointer | djveer please never mention that distro again |
| 21:01.44 | djveer | lol |
| 21:01.47 | djveer | okay sorry |
| 21:02.07 | xreal | @all sorry: I have to go to my other machine ... partimage is nearly ready. |
| 21:02.17 | jelly-home | ubuntu server ubuntu server ubuntu server |
| 21:02.28 | jelly-home | void_pointer: it's not that bad |
| 21:02.38 | void_pointer | oh my. I feel faint |
| 21:03.02 | beardy | Does it feel good? |
| 21:03.03 | Andorin | I just upgraded my system after adding squeeze to my package list and I have a couple problems. One, the scrollers on my trackpad don't work now. Two, Pidgin and Empathy both fail to work properly- Pidgin will sit and keep "waiting for network connection" even though I'm online. |
| 21:03.10 | maligor | xreal, I'd just dedicate one machine to handle that if you consider it important |
| 21:03.53 | maligor | complexity just brings around the possibility of more things causing failure |
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| 21:04.35 | xreal | maligor: I'm a student only, can't afford to fast machines. And after all, the network would be the bottleneck again ;-( |
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| 21:05.41 | Rovanion | !ntfs |
| 21:05.42 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 21:06.14 | maligor | xreal, well, if you really need both os's to read the same array, then fakeraid is your only option |
| 21:06.55 | maligor | which is what the integrated 'raid' typically is |
| 21:06.57 | abrotman | Andorin: pidgin and empathy are waiting for network-manager |
| 21:07.16 | abrotman | Andorin: pidgin can get around this with a -f flag .. not sure about empathy ... alternately, setup network-manager |
| 21:07.37 | maligor | xreal, or getting a real raid card, but good ones cost a lot |
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| 21:08.50 | Andorin | abrotman: Synaptic says that network-manager is installed... so shouldn't it be working? |
| 21:08.57 | xreal | maligor: 3ware is expensive, I know. But really: I don't need security. If the stripe breaks, I'll recreate it from scratch. |
| 21:09.09 | abrotman | Andorin: no, you have to tell it to take control of your network stuff |
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| 21:09.46 | maligor | xreal, then you should google on fakeraid, I've never used it |
| 21:10.10 | xreal | maligor: Okay ;-) |
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| 21:12.17 | redbrain | i am about to crack up setting up exim with mailman and i keep getting the error pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router so i need to add 'pipe_transport = address_pipe' but my /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated seems to omit it when i /etc/init.d/exim restart |
| 21:12.59 | sander | I need some help with mdadm. Why is it that on my squeeze `mdadm --detail --scan` gives "ARRAY /dev/md/0..." (with a / between md and 0) and on other systems I get /dev/md0? |
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| 21:13.38 | Justin | sander: udev? |
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| 21:14.41 | Andorin | abrotman: I'm looking around but not having any luck... how do I configure network-manager? |
| 21:14.56 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc/network-manager/ |
| 21:15.13 | bipolar | Does anyone know of a terminal application that has the option to lock the number of rows/columns and scale the font when the window is resized? |
| 21:15.21 | abrotman | the relevant file is in /etc/NetworkManager/ .. i think the setting is ifupdown=true .. just switch it .. but don't be surprised if it goes bananas |
| 21:15.55 | sander | Justin: Hmmm... perhaps |
| 21:17.28 | Andorin | abrotman: In nm-system-settings.conf, ifupdown is already set to managed=false. |
| 21:18.51 | Andorin | I'll try switching. |
| 21:19.21 | xreal | Does anyone know, if fakeraid works for SB700 ? |
| 21:19.24 | S1kx | why do Virtual machines running under the latest version of virtualbox keep crashing for me : ( |
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| 21:19.47 | redbrain | i am about to crack up setting up exim with mailman and i keep getting the error pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router so i need to add 'pipe_transport = address_pipe' but my /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated seems to omit it when i /etc/init.d/exim restart |
| 21:20.03 | Titan8990 | xreal, in most cases softraid is a better choice over fakeraid |
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| 21:20.40 | hetOrakel | Titan8990, you got a suggestion about the artifacts |
| 21:20.43 | xreal | Titan8990: But I would like to access it from Windows, too. |
| 21:21.11 | Titan8990 | hetOrakel, uhh, none other than possible hardware replacement |
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| 21:21.38 | Titan8990 | xreal, then I don't recommend using RAID... it doesn't sound like this is a server |
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| 21:21.55 | hetOrakel | but that would be strange, i can take a screenshot of it... you've seen it |
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| 21:24.49 | cantido | I've got a little media centre sort of box in the works.. I need to make the fonts in Xorg massive, how do I do that? I tried -dpi options but it didn't change anything |
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| 21:25.13 | Titan8990 | hetOrakel, yeah... thats an odd issue that I think might be hardware related. wouldn't know where to begin with troubleshooting |
| 21:25.57 | abrotman | Andorin: did switching help you ? |
| 21:26.23 | hetOrakel | Titan8990 the pixels come when i shake the window and disappear when i send the window to the back and then again in front. strange... |
| 21:26.24 | Andorin | abrotman: No... I don't notice any change whatsoever. |
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| 21:26.49 | TomyLobo | when running apt-get update i get the following errors: |
| 21:26.49 | TomyLobo | W: GPG error: http://ftp.uk.debian.org lenny Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9AA38DCD55BE302B NO_PUBKEY 4D270D06F42584E6 |
| 21:26.50 | TomyLobo | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 21:27.26 | eptalon | heyas |
| 21:28.09 | jelly-home | TomyLobo: does it still happen if you install debian-archive-keyring? |
| 21:28.20 | TomyLobo | no idea |
| 21:28.21 | eptalon | what do you recommend as a program for communicating to a terminal device (fw or other) over a RS323 link? (in sid)? |
| 21:28.27 | TomyLobo | i dont even know what that is ^^ |
| 21:28.34 | jelly-home | ... |
| 21:28.35 | abrotman | Andorin: you probably have to restart the machine .. |
| 21:28.36 | cantido | eptalon: minicom is ok |
| 21:28.43 | abrotman | eptalon: minicom/kermit/screen |
| 21:28.49 | Andorin | I guess I could try it. h/o |
| 21:28.56 | Titan8990 | TomyLobo, aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring; aptitude update |
| 21:29.05 | eptalon | abrotman: kermit? |
| 21:29.09 | TomyLobo | i'll try that, thanks |
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| 21:29.33 | jelly-home | putty! :> |
| 21:29.35 | greycat | kermit's the old school unix terminal emulator |
| 21:29.44 | greycat | looooong before linux or minicom |
| 21:29.46 | abrotman | eptalon: kermit |
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| 21:30.02 | jelly-home | doesn't even know what a RS323 is |
| 21:30.05 | TomyLobo | so is this just a warning or is it an error and it skipped some steps because of it? |
| 21:30.10 | abrotman | judd: info gkermit --release lenny |
| 21:30.11 | judd | abrotman: gkermit (comm): is optional; Version: 1.0-9; Size: 39.7k; Installed: 116k -- A serial and network communications package |
| 21:30.19 | greycat | it's clear he meant RS232 |
| 21:30.22 | abrotman | eptalon: also there is ckermit in non-free |
| 21:30.45 | eptalon | abrotman: does it offewr much omre functionality? |
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| 21:31.37 | eptalon | abrotman: thanks though. |
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| 21:31.42 | Andorin | abrotman: Thank you, now Pidgin works normally. |
| 21:32.12 | TomyLobo | bleh apt-get should be atomic |
| 21:32.14 | eptalon | as a general note, do I need a "null-modem" or a straight cable when I communicate to a fw or switch, or somesuch? |
| 21:32.26 | greycat | It depends on the device you're connecting to. |
| 21:32.48 | TomyLobo | i installed something earlier, it failed and now it installs it again... |
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| 21:32.57 | eptalon | greycat: A 8 year old firewall, with little documentation online. |
| 21:32.58 | abrotman | Andorin: sucks you ahve to go that route .. but not too much you can do i guess |
| 21:33.08 | greycat | If the device is wired like a modem, you want a straight-through. If it's wired like a terminal, you want a null-modem. |
| 21:33.16 | greycat | You can try both ways and see... |
| 21:33.29 | Andorin | abrotman: If I notice any significant problems from switching that, I'll just change it back and always run Pidgin with -f. |
| 21:33.35 | eptalon | generally, nullmodem is crossed. |
| 21:33.38 | eptalon | no? |
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| 21:33.57 | _SKiTZO | hm i am following some tute that refers to packages named language-pack-en but there seems to be no such package in debian. does anyone know what the new name is, or the equivalent? |
| 21:34.02 | greycat | I used to know the pin-outs by heart for a DB-25. Something like "cross 2 & 3, cross 4 & 5, ..." |
| 21:34.08 | abrotman | Andorin: i suspect other gnome-ish apps will go that route |
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| 21:34.14 | greycat | But I haven't worked with serial cabling in about a dozen years. |
| 21:34.17 | redbrain | i am about to crack up setting up exim with mailman and i keep getting the error pipe_transport unset in system_aliases router so i need to add 'pipe_transport = address_pipe' but my /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated seems to omit it when i /etc/init.d/exim restart |
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| 21:34.30 | eptalon | greycat: Its DB-9, one male, the other female. |
| 21:34.46 | jelly-home | _SKiTZO: there is none, your tutorial might not be for Debian. |
| 21:34.46 | greycat | I never knew the DB-9 by heart. You could look if up. |
| 21:35.04 | _SKiTZO | jelly: it is for etch :/ hm |
| 21:35.34 | jelly-home | judd: versions language-pack-en |
| 21:35.34 | judd | jelly-home: language-pack-en -- |
| 21:35.45 | TomyLobo | aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring && aptitude update |
| 21:35.47 | greycat | If you have to deal with this device, you probably should just go buy a straight-through cable, a null-modem adapter, and a gender change (or one of each gender changer). So you're prepared for just about anything. |
| 21:35.51 | jelly-home | _SKiTZO: there isn't one in etch, either |
| 21:35.57 | TomyLobo | still the error about some unverified signatures :/ |
| 21:36.02 | _SKiTZO | jelly-home: ah never mind. it was a mixup from my part.. the packages were ubuntu 7.* |
| 21:36.17 | _SKiTZO | i have too many tabs open |
| 21:36.37 | greycat | (And, I supposed, a DB-9 to DB-25 straight through cable.) |
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| 21:37.12 | jelly-home | it'll likely be a cisco with a RJ45 connector then :-) |
| 21:37.17 | greycat | hah |
| 21:37.52 | cantido | I thought it was a smaller connector then RJ45 |
| 21:38.09 | cantido | remembers cutting one of those leads up to make a APC ups data lead.. |
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| 21:41.08 | Andorin | Well, now I just have to determine the reason why scrolling on my trackpad isn't working now. |
| 21:41.58 | Titan8990 | !synaptics |
| 21:41.59 | dpkg | from memory, synaptics is a driver for the touchpad on many laptops. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options. If it's not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". See also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html . This driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. See also <trackpoint>. |
| 21:42.28 | Titan8990 | Andorin, you can get something like gsnaptics for gui configuration |
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| 21:42.45 | cantido | gsnaptics has been removed hasn't it |
| 21:42.47 | cantido | ?? |
| 21:43.04 | cantido | remembers filing a bug about it not working anymore |
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| 21:45.02 | Andorin | Has it? |
| 21:45.45 | cantido | I remember reading on the page for all of the synaptics tools that the API changed and kept changing randomly so the guy gave up trying |
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| 21:46.32 | HackeMate | is there something like ksnapshot for gnome? |
| 21:46.39 | cantido | scrolling and stuff just worked here.. I had to configure xorg on to turn it off |
| 21:46.45 | Justin | HackeMate: hit print screen |
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| 21:47.02 | abrotman | judd: versions gsynaptics |
| 21:47.02 | judd | abrotman: gsynaptics -- etch: 0.9.7-3 lenny: 0.9.14-6 sid: 0.9.16-3 squeeze: 0.9.16-3 |
| 21:47.05 | Andorin | Normally scrolling works fine for me, but I just updated after adding squeeze, so... |
| 21:47.08 | abrotman | cantido: that'd be a no |
| 21:47.55 | cantido | goes to look it up |
| 21:48.03 | HackeMate | Justin, yes i know, but ksnaphost lets me select easyly a piece of monitor or window (i have two) |
| 21:48.07 | cantido | they didnt work last time I tried anyhow |
| 21:48.10 | HackeMate | it is easier, not cooler |
| 21:48.24 | HackeMate | i also know the gimp method, but i need open it first and click some times |
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| 21:53.21 | xreal | Is there a website to look up, if a Fakeraid is supported by Debian? |
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| 21:54.26 | abrotman | xreal: do you have the pciid ? |
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| 21:57.25 | sander | I still need help booting my box. Recap: I upgraded Lenny->Squeeze and my mdadm raid1 won't assemble on boot. Both boot/ and / are on an LVM volume that sits on top of the mdadm raid1. The boot process has dumped me to a busybox shell. When I do `mdadm --examine /dev/sda1` or sdb1 then it sees the mdadm superblocks. Running `mdadm --detail --scan` shows nothing however. Also, `mdadm --assemble --scan` does not start the md device. Help? |
| 21:57.55 | Justin | sander: do you know WHY people usually make a /boot partition? |
| 21:58.17 | sander | Justin: yes. |
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| 21:58.48 | Justin | making it on top of lvm on top of raid completely defeats the purpose of having a /boot partition (unless I guess you are dual booting 2 linux installs) |
| 21:59.00 | sander | If only I can boot the box manually then I can probably repair it. |
| 21:59.14 | kevinmiter | Hi, I have one problem. I plug in my removable disk and boot my computer, it seems gnome won't automount it. But I re-plugin it now gnome will automount it. Any help? Thanks. |
| 21:59.29 | Justin | sander: did you try running --assemble with the paritions spcecified? |
| 21:59.30 | sander | Justin: That's exactly what I (used to) do. |
| 21:59.42 | sander | Justin: No. I'll try that. |
| 21:59.47 | Justin | maybe it's just the scan part that is broke |
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| 22:01.41 | kevinmiter | Hi, I have one problem. I plug in my removable disk and boot my computer, it seems gnome won't automount it. But I re-plugin it now gnome will automount it. Any help? Thanks. |
| 22:01.47 | slope | For some reason I can't hold a key in gnome-terminal, I need to press it several times instead. Anyone know why and how to fix it? (Debian Squeeze AMD64) |
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| 22:04.44 | slope | kevinmiter: I think the solution is fstab. google it. |
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| 22:05.33 | kevinmiter | I know fstab. But I think fstab is good for fix disks. Right? |
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| 22:07.39 | Andorin | I've got a problem... I rebooted my laptop to try to get the trackpad driver to work, and now Debian won't load the GUI no matter what kernel I boot into... |
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| 22:08.25 | ultralazer | wow. no gui, is that like gdm or gnome or kdm or kde? |
| 22:08.41 | Andorin | GNOME. |
| 22:08.45 | ultralazer | i se |
| 22:08.46 | ultralazer | e |
| 22:08.54 | ultralazer | sorry can't help don't use it |
| 22:08.56 | Andorin | But it boots right into a text environment when it should be displaying GNOME's login window. |
| 22:09.08 | ultralazer | check your logs |
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| 22:09.20 | Andorin | What logs? |
| 22:09.38 | ultralazer | your boot logs and Xorg logs |
| 22:09.51 | abrotman | Andorin: how are you starting X normally? gdm or startx ? |
| 22:09.59 | Andorin | gdm. |
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| 22:10.59 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 22:14.39 | mysoogal | hi, is there a way to skip hash MD5 with metalink ? |
| 22:14.50 | Andorin | Booting into a live environment now... |
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| 22:15.28 | xreal | What's a good tool to benchmark HDDs in Debian? Bonnie++? |
| 22:16.04 | mysoogal | thats funny im waiting for 17 gb to move to d drive :( 25 mint |
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| 22:16.08 | kevinmiter | hdpram? |
| 22:16.36 | mysoogal | is there a way to skip MD5 hash check ? |
| 22:17.03 | Andorin | Okay, this file is huge. Is there anything specific I'm looking for? |
| 22:17.05 | mysoogal | on metalink |
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| 22:17.38 | mysoogal | can't wait for optical hardware ... |
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| 22:18.08 | Andorin | Oh, crap. I'm going to have to do this via command line and not live environment, aren't I? >_< |
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| 22:18.56 | re_ | I have a date in this format- YYYY-MM-DD is there an easy way to calculate the date for the day prior in bash? |
| 22:19.21 | mysoogal | you might get better help on #bash room |
| 22:19.49 | mysoogal | anybody use metalinks ? |
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| 22:20.47 | re_ | thanks will try there |
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| 22:21.01 | Andorin | Alright, I've got the file open. |
| 22:21.47 | Andorin | And I have absolutely NO idea what to look for. |
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| 22:23.31 | sander | I have managed to manually start /dev/md/0 from busybox. Can I now tell the boot process to resume? |
| 22:24.01 | hark | Andorin: EE lines are a good start |
| 22:24.20 | BenBE | Can anyone verify this issue? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=556922 IMHO should probably do without Xen, and probably even without screen. |
| 22:24.47 | Andorin | hark: Lines that start with EE? |
| 22:24.50 | hark | sander: just exit, it should resume |
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| 22:25.45 | Mr-R | Andorin: and start your search at the end going up |
| 22:25.49 | sander | hark: Thanks. Unfortunately, no cookie. I think I need to start LVM manually as well before I can continue. |
| 22:26.25 | hark | sander: yeah you can run vgchange from busybox |
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| 22:26.58 | sander | hark: I tried that. `vgchange -a y` is silent. /dev/mapper stays empty. |
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| 22:27.27 | sander | Wel, empty.... there's a file called control but not my volumes |
| 22:27.44 | Andorin | Well, there are no EE lines in this document at all |
| 22:28.07 | _SKiTZO | i am a bit confused |
| 22:28.10 | Andorin | I searched through the whole thing. |
| 22:28.18 | _SKiTZO | isnt debootstrap used to create deban installs |
| 22:28.26 | _SKiTZO | why does it not install a kernel |
| 22:28.26 | _SKiTZO | ? |
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| 22:30.20 | poisonbit | what should be more fast for a USB backup of a machine with only a hard disk... rsync or soft. raid md reconstruction, tuning sysctl for speed ? |
| 22:30.46 | Andorin | This is kind of a really important issue. If I can't boot into a GUI I can't use my laptop. |
| 22:31.28 | sander | hark: Aparently there's no vgscan in busybox. How can I make lvm aware of the /dev/md/0 I started? |
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| 22:33.42 | sander | hark: Found it. I deleted /etc/lvm/cache/.cache |
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| 22:35.37 | valdyn | sander: lvm scans all volumes, you dont need to "make it aware" |
| 22:35.47 | valdyn | sander: vgchange -ay should be all |
| 22:36.08 | sander | valdyn: You need to manually re-scan if you manually add devices |
| 22:36.27 | valdyn | sander: vgchange -ay, as i said |
| 22:36.29 | hark | it does it automatically, but hardware changes might require you to do so |
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| 22:38.17 | sander | valdyn: That doesn't work in my case. The boot process already executes vgchange -a y and writes a cache of all devices to /etc/lvm/cache/.cache. When I later add /dev/md/0 manually, vgchange will use only the devices in the cache so it will skip the new md device. |
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| 22:38.54 | valdyn | sander: no way |
| 22:39.01 | sander | valdyn: `rm /etc/lvm/cache/.cache && vgchange -a y` does work. |
| 22:39.33 | sander | valdyn: It's true. If that's not supposed to happen then it's a bug perhaps? |
| 22:39.41 | valdyn | sander: i dont know |
| 22:40.03 | valdyn | sander: ive used vgchange -ay, i cant claim to know the details of its workings |
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| 22:40.42 | valdyn | sander: but i might have run vgchange -an in between |
| 22:40.57 | MDVz0r | i got 2 15K scsi disks in sw raid0 (controller: Adaptec AIC-7899P), but the speed is very low.. test results here: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/684658 (remark: very high CPU usage), can anyone tell me what could be theproblem? |
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| 22:42.18 | hark | the manpage does say "In LVM2, vgscans take place automatically; but you might still need to run one explicitly after changing hardware." |
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| 22:43.25 | valdyn | _SKiTZO: why would it install a kernel? |
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| 22:55.54 | Rondo | does anybody have a method to truly eliminate system's knowledge of onboard sound? |
| 22:56.16 | zinx | as in pc speaker? |
| 22:56.29 | Rondo | as in onboard sound card/chip |
| 22:56.37 | zinx | generally you can disable that in the BIOS |
| 22:56.40 | Rondo | no... |
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| 22:56.43 | \amethyst | find out which driver it's using, and blacklist it |
| 22:56.48 | zinx | no? |
| 22:56.54 | \amethyst | assuming your card doesn't use the same driver |
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| 22:57.10 | Rondo | if i could disable in bios, I wouldn't go through this every time I try a new distro |
| 22:57.20 | zinx | i have yet to see a system that doesn't let you disable the on-board sound card through the BIOS, but that doesn't mean there aren't any :( |
| 22:57.45 | Rondo | yeah it's an inspiron 2650.. pretty old but usable spec-wise |
| 22:58.13 | Rondo | blacklisting the driver doesn't help when modules are reloaded |
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| 22:58.34 | bipolar | Does anyone know of a terminal application that has the option to lock the number of rows/columns and scale the font when the window is resized? |
| 22:58.41 | Rondo | as in alsa force-reload, for example |
| 22:58.48 | versuchsanstalt | good evening. i was told a source for a version of the debian installer thats focused on new hardware - and i forgot the url and all the keywords to find it again. somebody please tell me (i think the name of the principal developer was of asian heritage) |
| 22:59.11 | cantido | versuchsanstalt: kenshi muto |
| 22:59.15 | cantido | versuchsanstalt: japanese |
| 22:59.18 | \amethyst | Rondo: does alsa force-reload unload the modules? |
| 22:59.25 | versuchsanstalt | cantido: exactly, thanks a lot. |
| 22:59.51 | \amethyst | Rondo: oh, so it does |
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| 23:00.04 | Rondo | \amethyst: not sure, but I do know a blacklisted driver reappears after force-reload |
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| 23:00.31 | Rondo | is it possible to prevent the kernel from recognizing the device? |
| 23:00.52 | Rondo | so there is nothing a module to support? |
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| 23:02.47 | \amethyst | Rondo: pci=ignore=<busid> |
| 23:02.52 | \amethyst | Rondo: on the kernel command line |
| 23:03.09 | Vasistha | bipolar: never heard of such a thing. Interesting idea, but I'm skeptical you're going to find it. Good luck! |
| 23:03.11 | Rondo | \amethyst: sounds like a good clue! |
| 23:04.17 | Rondo | \amethyst: that bus id # should be consistent for the device? maybe I can add that argument to a boot script somewhere? |
| 23:04.43 | Vasistha | So I have an external usb cdrw here that claims it can write cdrw but cannot write cdr! Crazy, huh? Any thoughts on whether there is a workaround? |
| 23:04.54 | \amethyst | Rondo: hm, actually, I'm not sure if that works |
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| 23:05.15 | hark | Rondo: how did you blacklist it? |
| 23:05.29 | Andorin | I need some help pretty badly. I installed the synaptics driver for trackpads and rebooted, and I don't know whether that caused this, but now when I start my computer X doesn't start at all. I can't boot into a GUI, something I rather need. Please help me get GNOME back. |
| 23:05.33 | Rondo | \amethyst: modprobe.d/blacklist |
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| 23:06.23 | Vasistha | Andorin: we can probably help you with that. Are you logged into the command line now? |
| 23:06.41 | Andorin | Yeah. |
| 23:06.46 | hark | Rondo: make another file, say blacklist-local.conf and then try. at least with blacklist.conf, it doesn't prevent autoloading of modules by the kernel |
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| 23:07.27 | Vasistha | Andorin: cd to /etc/X11 and have a look at xorg.conf. Do you know how to view the file? |
| 23:07.34 | Andorin | Yeah. |
| 23:07.50 | Andorin | Though I haven't edited my xorg.conf lately. |
| 23:07.52 | Rondo | hark: do I need to modify anything to call attention to blacklist-local.conf? |
| 23:08.34 | Andorin | Vasistha: Is there anything in particular I'm looking for? |
| 23:08.38 | Vasistha | Andorin: yeah, there hasn't been much of a need for it lately. Although it occurs to me that the first thing we should be doing, rather than looking at xorg.conf, is looking at /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:08.55 | Vasistha | "yeah" was meant in response to your previous comment |
| 23:09.00 | hark | Rondo: no, but might as well follow "/msg dpkg blacklist-initramfs" as well |
| 23:09.03 | Andorin | Vasistha: Looked there already. Someone had me search for "EE" lines and I saw nothing. |
| 23:09.20 | hark | Andorin: why don't you pastebin your log |
| 23:09.22 | Vasistha | Andorin: no EE lines at all, huh? Would it be possible to pastebin the xorg log? |
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| 23:09.38 | Andorin | Sure, if you can tell me how to, via CLI, copy a file into a flash drive. |
| 23:09.50 | Vasistha | Andorin: is the machine on the network? |
| 23:09.53 | Andorin | No. |
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| 23:10.20 | Rondo | hark: sorry, don't understand that last thing there |
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| 23:10.41 | hark | !tell Rondo about blacklist-initramfs |
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| 23:11.52 | Rondo | hark: aha! thanks, that explains everything |
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| 23:12.22 | Vasistha | Andorin: you probably use gnome's auto-mount thingy for mounting flash drives usually. Okay, so if you do "fdisk -l" as root, you should be able to figure out which device, e.g. /dev/sda or /dev/sdb |
| 23:12.52 | Andorin | /dev/sdb1, looks like. |
| 23:13.03 | Andorin | Or... no. |
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| 23:13.16 | Andorin | Wait, yes. /dev/sdb |
| 23:13.28 | hark | Andorin: check using mount. should be in /media/foo |
| 23:14.07 | Andorin | Weird... when I ls my /media/ directory I only see cdrom and cdrom0. |
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| 23:14.28 | hark | Andorin: then maybe gnome did not automount it |
| 23:14.36 | Andorin | GNOME is not running... |
| 23:14.41 | Andorin | Which is my entire problem... |
| 23:15.22 | hark | Andorin: ok so mount it manually |
| 23:15.41 | Andorin | With "mount /dev/sdb"? Doesn't work. |
| 23:16.13 | hark | you have to specify a mount point |
| 23:16.18 | Rondo | hark: sorry one last question: is it blacklist-local.conf, or blacklist.local.conf? |
| 23:16.21 | Andorin | rtfms |
| 23:16.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: with mount -t <fstype> |
| 23:16.39 | hark | !tell Rondo about blacklist |
| 23:16.55 | hark | Rondo: doesn't matter actually |
| 23:17.09 | hark | you don't need the -t for mount |
| 23:17.32 | Rondo | hark: thank you so much I am wiser now |
| 23:18.18 | jpinx-eeepc | hark: fwiw my system refuses to mount without -t |
| 23:18.21 | hark | Andorin: what fs is the usb disk? |
| 23:18.22 | Andorin | ... |
| 23:18.30 | Andorin | It's /dev/sdb |
| 23:18.53 | Andorin | And I was going to just reboot into a live environment and copy the file onto my flash drive graphically, but... that won't work... |
| 23:19.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: that's teh entire device - the fs is probably on /dev/sdb1 - check with fdisk -l |
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| 23:19.24 | Andorin | Okay, then yes, /dev/sdb1. |
| 23:19.43 | hark | Andorin: so, what fs is it? |
| 23:19.47 | djveer | Will anything I create in /etc/skel be added to any new users' profile? |
| 23:19.50 | hark | Andorin: ntfs or fat? |
| 23:19.55 | Andorin | Oh... |
| 23:19.59 | djveer | for example.. a folder called public_html |
| 23:20.02 | Andorin | FAT16. |
| 23:20.23 | hark | !tell Andorin about vfatrw |
| 23:20.52 | hark | afk |
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| 23:22.08 | Andorin | omg. |
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| 23:22.31 | Andorin | How do I check my user and group IDs? >_> I've only messed with those once and that was a while ago. |
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| 23:24.12 | hark | Andorin: wait, since it's going to be tough this way |
| 23:24.29 | hark | Andorin: run /usr/lib/gnome-volume-manager/gnome-volume-manager as root |
| 23:24.45 | hark | Andorin: then unplug and plug in your usb |
| 23:25.30 | Andorin | No such file or directory. |
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| 23:26.26 | hark | ok, go back to what you were doing then. check with "id" |
| 23:26.40 | Andorin | k |
| 23:27.34 | hark | Andorin: does grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log say anything important? |
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| 23:28.40 | Andorin | ARGH. I get "Permission denied" when I run the command that you had dpkg show me, even though I'm root. |
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| 23:29.14 | Andorin | And hark: No, it doesn't. Just a list of what means what. |
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| 23:29.43 | hark | it's not a command, it's for /etc/fstab. you can instead use mount with those options |
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| 23:30.11 | hark | Andorin: how about grep WW /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 23:30.36 | Andorin | hark: Lots of output. |
| 23:30.52 | aoeu | i connected a drive from a g3 laptop, and cfdisk says the disk is completely empty. what could have gone wrong? |
| 23:31.23 | hark | all right, pastebin the file. i am leaving now, but will be back soon. gl |
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| 23:36.02 | Vasistha | Andorin: sorry I got distracted. Have you mounted the flash drive yet? |
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| 23:39.30 | Andorin | Vasistha: I gave up on it. I'm working out something else. You wanted the log, yes? You're probably interested in EE lines, of which there are none. Someone else told me to search for WW lines, and there are a good number. I am at the moment setting up to pastebin those lines. |
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| 23:40.25 | Vasistha | Andorin: gave up on it?? It really should be as simple as: mount /dev/sdb1 /some/mount/point |
| 23:40.45 | Andorin | It'd be nice if it were that simple, but the command doesn't work. |
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| 23:41.00 | Kefoo | Hi all. I'm trying to install 5.03 AMD64 on a new system. The installer can't see my SATA hard disk and asks for a driver, but if boot from a disk with an existing Debian installation on it the disk shows up. How can I determine which driver it's using to give to the installer? |
| 23:41.00 | Vasistha | !doesn't work |
| 23:41.01 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 23:41.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: I told you to use the -t option - what is the error? |
| 23:42.21 | Vasistha | Andorin: well anyway... hmm, actually, that's strange. we could just take a look at xorg.conf |
| 23:42.34 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: you might have a b0rked fs on the device- a bad superblock, there are thousands of poeeible errors - what is your? |
| 23:42.50 | jpinx-eeepc | *possible |
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| 23:43.12 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc: Do you mean something like mount -t /device/location /mount/point? |
| 23:43.26 | Vasistha | Andorin: no, more like mount -t ntfs /dev/sdb1 /mount/point |
| 23:43.42 | Andorin | It's FAT16, though, if that means anything in this regard. |
| 23:43.50 | Vasistha | fat16, not fat32? |
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| 23:44.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: WHAT IS THE ERROR? |
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| 23:44.21 | Vasistha | iirc fat16 does not even permit long filenames -- you are stuck with old-style 8+3 filenames |
| 23:44.27 | Andorin | It doesn't give an error. It displays the syntax for the mount command, as though I had just ran "mount" |
| 23:44.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: unplug and replug and look at dmesg |
| 23:44.51 | Vasistha | Andorin: what version of debian are you using? |
| 23:45.13 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: whith it plugged in - do fdisk -l as root |
| 23:45.28 | jpinx-eeepc | pastebin the outputs |
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| 23:46.31 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc..... I can't just pastebin a file..... this is all happening on a separate computer that isn't hooked up to the Internet and is mysteriously not loading a GUI, so I have to do everything via CLI |
| 23:46.36 | feniix | Is there any way to set the limits of a user which shell is /bin/false ? I have a server that comes down with "Too many open files" and I need to bump the max open files limit for a specific user that its shell is a nologin shell |
| 23:46.45 | Titan8990 | Andorin, aptitude install pastebinit |
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| 23:46.56 | Titan8990 | Andorin, oh, not internet |
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| 23:47.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: ok - that's hard for you |
| 23:47.09 | Andorin | I COULD hook it up for a minute if I needed. |
| 23:47.19 | Andorin | It'd just mean disconnecting /this/ machine for a minute. |
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| 23:47.38 | Titan8990 | Andorin, you don't have a switch or something that allows both devices to be plugged in? |
| 23:48.06 | Andorin | No. It basically has to be one or the other, not both. |
| 23:48.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: save the outputs as a textfile and do the swap of the connection so you can paste them |
| 23:48.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: so - save the output os fdisk -l and dmesg after au unplug replug event |
| 23:49.03 | Andorin | Alright. That I can do. So pastebinit is a program that lets me do that? |
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| 23:49.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: it'll be quickerr too just pasteit.com the text file..t |
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| 23:50.04 | Andorin | Except I can't! |
| 23:50.58 | Andorin | Without a GUI I have no web browser, even if the machine is hooked up. And without a GUI I'm running into brick walls every time I turn around whenever I try to mount a device with which I can transfer text files to a machine that DOES have a GUI. |
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| 23:51.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: ok - use pastebinit |
| 23:51.53 | Titan8990 | Andorin, there are IRC and web browsers for consoles |
| 23:51.54 | Andorin | Alright, now brb while I swap connections. |
| 23:52.00 | Titan8990 | Andorin, but yeah, pastebinit |
| 23:52.08 | jpinx-eeepc | aptitude install pastebinit and do that to the file you are saving now |
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| 23:56.44 | Andorin | Alright |
| 23:56.58 | Andorin | http://pastebin.com/f7fb2e9da <-- There is my dmesg |
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| 23:57.08 | Andorin | http://pastebin.com/f53c6ce09 <-- And there is my fdisk -l |
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| 23:59.01 | sander | Thanks all, I have managed to get my box up and running again. After I finally got it to boot manually, a quick `update-initramfs` fixed everything. |
| 23:59.41 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 23:59.43 | adnc__ | hello, i get errors with my usb-loudspeakers all the time it produces these messages http://pastebin.com/d3b0db0db it was working in the past. the loudspeakers get disconnected and reconnected again and again, has someone any idea where i could start looking to solve this? |