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| 00:00.24 | sander | I think I'll write a tutorial on how to boot a debian box by hand. This is the second time I have had trouble booting my box due to an issue that is easily solved once you managed to boot (the previous time was a bug in my grub2 config). |
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| 00:01.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: ok - there does not seem to be any problem with the device or with seeing it - so you have some other issues |
| 00:01.18 | Titan8990 | sander, you same one with lvm raid boot problems earlier |
| 00:01.38 | Titan8990 | sander, err, that was meant to be a question |
| 00:01.55 | jpinx-eeepc | do fdisk /dev/sdb and hit p to see the partition table |
| 00:02.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: ^^ |
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| 00:03.02 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc: Alright, am I looking for something? |
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| 00:03.25 | sander | Titan8990, yes. The same one. |
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| 00:03.42 | jpinx-eeepc | it should be a sinlfe line for the device's partitions - |
| 00:03.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: a single line |
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| 00:03.49 | jpinx-eeepc | 's fingers have dyslexia tongiht |
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| 00:04.15 | Titan8990 | sander, sounds like a long day. good to see you got things working |
| 00:04.18 | sander | Titan8990: I never managed to make it work using the liveCD. The generated initramfs is all wrong because the livecd was Ubuntu with kernel 2.6.31 |
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| 00:05.33 | Titan8990 | sander, did you try doing it from a chroot? |
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| 00:06.34 | Andorin | Alright. Looks like there's just the one. |
| 00:06.42 | Andorin | It's a relatively simple 1GB flash drive. |
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| 00:08.41 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc: ^ |
| 00:08.42 | sander | Titan8990: No. I think that would have helped. I had some trouble manually starting mdadm and lvm on Ubuntu because the livecd doesn't have those installed. So at one point I caved in and though: "initramfs has mdadm and lvm installed. I should be able to boot manually". |
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| 00:09.04 | sander | Titan8990: Once I figured out how, fixing things took 5 seconds. |
| 00:09.24 | Titan8990 | sander, nice |
| 00:09.28 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: any warnings when you did fdisk /dev/sdb ? |
| 00:09.37 | Andorin | Mmm... |
| 00:10.05 | Andorin | Nope, just a message about the device's number of cylinders. Not much of a warning. |
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| 00:11.04 | sander | I still don't understand why mdadm caused problems in the first place. For some reason mdadm changed the configuration from /dev/md0 to /dev/md/0 and changed the UUID during the Lenny->Squeeze upgrade. I saw there was a bug filed about this already. |
| 00:12.29 | Titan8990 | sander, its a good idea to keep things on lenny if its important they maintain good uptime |
| 00:12.44 | Titan8990 | sander, or you don't want to have to fix/work-around bugs |
| 00:13.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: what is your uuid? 1000? |
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| 00:14.53 | Andorin | 0 as root. |
| 00:15.10 | Andorin | 1000 otherwise. |
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| 00:16.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: as user (not root) do :~mkdir ./test/sdb1 && mount /dev/sdb1 -t vfat ./test/sdb1 && ls ./test/sdb1 and paste the output and errors |
| 00:16.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: my bad - you need to be root to mount - su root in there |
| 00:16.58 | jpinx-eeepc | or use sudo |
| 00:18.23 | sander | Titan8990: I had little choice. I'm a developer and the box was my development server. The age of some libraries on Lenny was becoming quite a pain for me. I had to refer to backports and sid packages thee times this week already. Now I needed a python-gobject with GIO support. The resulting dependency chain to mix that from squeeze into lenny was so big that simply upgrading the entire box was easier. |
| 00:18.29 | Andorin | Alright... hold on... |
| 00:18.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: here's the correcrted version -- as user (not root) do :~mkdir ./test/sdb1 && su root && mount /dev/sdb1 -t vfat ./test/sdb1 && ls ./test/sdb1 and paste the output and errors |
| 00:19.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: I've had to work on non-conected machines like you're doing now - it's a real pita - you get good at putting it all on one line and using pastebinit ;) |
| 00:20.30 | Titan8990 | sander, for a dev box, i can see that |
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| 00:20.37 | Andorin | what... what the hell... |
| 00:20.44 | Titan8990 | I would have gentoo on something like that personally... |
| 00:21.10 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc: When I run that it says "mkdir: cannot create directory './test/sdb1': No such file or directory |
| 00:21.45 | multi_io | why are there no install CD images for testing on amd64 at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ ? |
| 00:21.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: create it in parts - mkdir ./test && mkdir ./test/sdb1 |
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| 00:22.38 | Titan8990 | multi_io, I don't think they make weekly builds |
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| 00:23.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: here's an extra option to make is useable by your normal user :~ mount /dev/sdb1 -t vfat -o uid=1000 ./test/sdb1 |
| 00:23.15 | multi_io | Titan8990: they say they do |
| 00:23.23 | multi_io | :-P |
| 00:23.32 | Andorin | Hold on, I'm trying your first command first. |
| 00:23.47 | multi_io | I just want to get an install CD for a testing installation on amd64' |
| 00:24.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: tyt |
| 00:24.03 | whammo | ! tell whammo about alsa |
| 00:24.27 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell whammo about selftell |
| 00:24.30 | Titan8990 | multi_io, yep, but there are none there for any arch |
| 00:24.32 | Andorin | Okay |
| 00:24.48 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc: The commands went through, but ls shows nothing. |
| 00:24.54 | whammo | thanks |
| 00:25.00 | Andorin | Same with ls -a |
| 00:25.11 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: that is good - now do :~ df -h |
| 00:25.39 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: if it is mounted it will show there |
| 00:25.40 | Andorin | Alright, I get four filesystems. |
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| 00:25.54 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: and one is sdb1? |
| 00:25.56 | Andorin | /dev/sda1, tmpfs, udev and tempfs |
| 00:26.03 | Andorin | tmpfs* |
| 00:26.06 | Andorin | Nope. |
| 00:26.25 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc: Are you sure that this is the best way to get X working again? |
| 00:26.39 | Andorin | That is, after all, the real issue. |
| 00:26.44 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: ok - go back to the command and look at dmesg or syslog - something else is not working |
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| 00:27.07 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: I am not dealing with X - I am helping you to mount a device |
| 00:27.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: I am unaware of any issue with X that you might have |
| 00:28.01 | whammo | I tried blacklisting unwanted onboard sound drivers and got many errors at boot, drivers loaded anyway. tried alsaconf set-default-card and now alsa doesn't recognize the card I told it to default to |
| 00:28.18 | multi_io | how can I find out which kernel driver currently handles /dev/sda? |
| 00:28.43 | whammo | does anybody have a solution? I keep running into the problem of onboard sound getting in my way |
| 00:29.27 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc: The only reason I have this problem is because when I boot Debian my GUI won't run anymore. I got into flash drive mount discussion because people wanted me to pastebin logs and my xorg.conf and I was telling them I couldn't because my flash drive wouldn't mount. |
| 00:29.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: :/ |
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| 00:30.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: what's on the box you're having trouble with? |
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| 00:30.32 | Andorin | Going to suggest a reinstall? |
| 00:30.36 | Titan8990 | Andorin, are you using proprietary video drivers such as nvidia or ati? |
| 00:30.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: probably :p |
| 00:30.53 | Andorin | Titan8990: I don't know. I don't think so, but I'm not sure. |
| 00:31.08 | whammo | my usb sound was working in the sound test through gnome preferences, now I get the gconfaudiosink error |
| 00:31.18 | Andorin | And fortunately, I backed up my data yesterday onto this PC. There's nothing on the laptop (the troublesome machine) that isn't a copy of something on here. |
| 00:31.23 | ix | This might be slightly off-topic, but I'll try here nonetheless: Is there any way to regulate backlight on non-laptop LCD screens? |
| 00:31.27 | Titan8990 | Andorin, mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.bak && startx |
| 00:31.42 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: it would have been quicker than messing with susb sticks ;) |
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| 00:32.13 | Andorin | Sure, but I don't like to wipe my computers except as a last resort. |
| 00:32.17 | EagleRock | multi_io: lsscsi could work |
| 00:32.21 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: at what point does it fail? Do you get the X login, or does it fail before that? |
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| 00:33.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: pastebin the log of the error/fail |
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| 00:33.46 | Andorin | jpinx-eeepc: When I boot my computer and select my current kernel from the grub menu, I spend a moment watching text fly down the screen as the system turns on. Right after that I usually get a moment of black, followed by my login screen. Here, the text doesn't go away; it all finishes and then I'm presented with a textual login prompt. |
| 00:34.13 | Andorin | Titan8990: Command doesn't work. |
| 00:34.22 | Andorin | Says it's not a directory. |
| 00:34.45 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: you don't have /etc/X11 ? |
| 00:34.57 | Titan8990 | Andorin, do you use tab-completion? |
| 00:35.20 | Andorin | Titan8990: Yes, why? |
| 00:35.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: you might try reinstalling X from the commandline |
| 00:35.26 | ultralazer | wow Andorin they haven't solved your problem yet? |
| 00:35.41 | Andorin | Nope. |
| 00:35.41 | jpinx-eeepc | ultralazer: the problem changed a few times ;) |
| 00:35.45 | ultralazer | oh. |
| 00:35.49 | ultralazer | ;) |
| 00:35.57 | Andorin | Well, the fundamental issue is still the same. |
| 00:36.07 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: you might try reinstalling X from the commandline |
| 00:36.10 | Andorin | I saw. |
| 00:36.32 | Andorin | Would that just be aptitude remove X && aptitude purge X && aptitude install X as root? |
| 00:36.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: no need to purge |
| 00:36.56 | Andorin | k |
| 00:36.58 | Titan8990 | Andorin, first I would check to see if you have it |
| 00:36.59 | jpinx-eeepc | well -- not yet ;) |
| 00:37.06 | Andorin | Of course I have X. |
| 00:37.08 | Titan8990 | Andorin, dpkg -l | grep xserver-xorg |
| 00:37.23 | Andorin | I know that I already have X. |
| 00:37.24 | Titan8990 | Andorin, you are missing its core configuration directory |
| 00:37.39 | Andorin | I'm not missing /etc/X11 either. |
| 00:37.49 | Titan8990 | Andorin, what are you missing? xorg.conf? |
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| 00:38.02 | Andorin | O fsck, hold on. |
| 00:38.28 | Andorin | There was one more / in that command than there needed to be. |
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| 00:38.42 | Andorin | Okay, my CLI screen disappeared, and it looks like X is booting. |
| 00:39.04 | Andorin | A default configuration. |
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| 00:39.48 | Titan8990 | Andorin, it works? |
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| 00:39.59 | Andorin | Sort of. The trackpad is not functioning. |
| 00:40.04 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: \o/ |
| 00:40.19 | Titan8990 | !synaptics |
| 00:40.19 | dpkg | synaptics is, like, a driver for the touchpad on many laptops. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options. If it's not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". See also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html . This driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. See also <trackpoint>. |
| 00:40.33 | Titan8990 | yay for hald |
| 00:40.39 | Andorin | That's what I installed that (I suspect) started all this mess in the first place. |
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| 00:41.44 | Titan8990 | I am surprised that doesn't give a link to something official |
| 00:41.50 | Andorin | Okay, I'm going to reboot the laptop. If X doesn't start on its own, the problem isn't solved. |
| 00:42.04 | Titan8990 | Andorin, why is that a requirement lol? |
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| 00:42.14 | Titan8990 | only one of his boxes boots X on its own |
| 00:42.27 | Andorin | Because it would be annoying to have to start it manually each time I turn on the machine. |
| 00:43.04 | tensorpudding | if you're going to use X all the time, you might as well have it start at boot |
| 00:43.11 | Andorin | ^ |
| 00:43.34 | Andorin | Nope, it presents me with the CLI login. |
| 00:44.02 | Titan8990 | Andorin, what display manager did you want to use? |
| 00:44.02 | tensorpudding | Andorin: are you running xdm, gdm, kdm, slim? |
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| 00:44.15 | Andorin | gdm with GNOME. |
| 00:44.16 | tensorpudding | you should check to see if the one you are using is running at boot |
| 00:44.30 | Andorin | tensorpudding: How? |
| 00:44.43 | Titan8990 | Andorin, update-rc.d gdm default |
| 00:44.53 | Andorin | Titan8990: Does that require a network connection? |
| 00:45.07 | tensorpudding | well, it should have said that it was starting gdm in the boot order |
| 00:45.10 | Titan8990 | Andorin, no... it creates symlinks in on the filesystem |
| 00:45.14 | Andorin | k |
| 00:45.15 | Titan8990 | Andorin, man update-rc.d |
| 00:45.24 | tensorpudding | if it is actually in your runlevel |
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| 00:46.01 | multi_io | does the network installer support installation onto a LVM and LVM on RAID1? |
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| 00:46.06 | Andorin | Okay, I ran that... |
| 00:46.20 | multi_io | do I have to create those volumes before running the installer? |
| 00:46.25 | Titan8990 | Andorin, did it error? |
| 00:46.31 | Andorin | I don't think so. |
| 00:46.35 | Titan8990 | multi_io, yes |
| 00:47.10 | Titan8990 | multi_io, well, not sure on LVM on raid1 if your talking about softraid or fakeraid |
| 00:47.18 | tensorpudding | check the /etc/rc.X/ where X is your runlevel |
| 00:47.24 | Andorin | Titan8990: I rebooted afterwards and it still doesn't run. |
| 00:47.47 | Titan8990 | multi_io, http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml |
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| 00:47.57 | Titan8990 | Andorin, /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 00:48.00 | tensorpudding | and make sure that there is something like S99gdm |
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| 00:48.18 | multi_io | Titan8990: Linux's own kernel softraid |
| 00:48.22 | multi_io | thanks |
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| 00:48.38 | Andorin | Titan8990: No output, no change. |
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| 00:48.54 | Titan8990 | Andorin, no output from /etc/init.d/gdm start? |
| 00:48.59 | Andorin | Correct. |
| 00:49.27 | multi_io | Titan8990: this is #debian here, not #gentoo...? |
| 00:49.47 | Titan8990 | multi_io, yes, but asked about setting it up manually prior to the installation |
| 00:50.18 | Titan8990 | multi_io, that is the best guide I have seen for manually setting up LVM |
| 00:50.30 | Titan8990 | multi_io, you can do it from d-i, but the interface is pretty bad |
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| 00:51.37 | benji01 | Hi, how can I have a list of my manually installed packages? |
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| 00:54.44 | multi_io | Titan8990: ah, ok. I think I know how to set this up manually, but thanks anyway |
| 00:55.21 | hamtoeshred | hark: thanks again for the dpkg-reconfigure tip I'm all sorted out, and I think i'll be sticking with lenny for a while ;P |
| 00:55.56 | StevenBinion | lenny rox.. |
| 00:56.52 | hamtoeshred | it does! I think pure debian is my favorte distro now |
| 00:57.18 | hamtoeshred | I mean, etch was cool too, but times change and we move forward |
| 00:57.23 | StevenBinion | same here, I started with ubuntu, but debian has far less issues. |
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| 00:58.17 | hamtoeshred | yeah, no pulse for me, thank you |
| 00:58.27 | Andorin | Sigh... I think I'm just going to give up and format/reinstall. Thanks to Titan8990, jpinx-eeepc, and everyone else who did their best to help. |
| 00:58.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: did you reinstall X ? |
| 00:58.53 | StevenBinion | thats sucks, what's the problem? |
| 00:59.11 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: you have a working system, it's only X that's b0rked |
| 00:59.34 | StevenBinion | try this out |
| 00:59.41 | Andorin | I know, but for my uses, without a GUI my laptop is basically a paperweight. |
| 00:59.53 | StevenBinion | apt-get --purge remove gnome-desktop |
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| 01:00.09 | StevenBinion | then apt-get install gnome-desktop |
| 01:00.34 | StevenBinion | don't forget the tab key is your friend, that may not be exact package name. |
| 01:00.34 | hamtoeshred | Andorin: maybe reboot in between those two commands to be sure |
| 01:01.15 | StevenBinion | have you tried apt-get install -f |
| 01:01.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Andorin: and purge and reinstall X |
| 01:01.26 | StevenBinion | apt will try to fix your system |
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| 01:02.10 | I-Hopz | Hey i'm running the latest stable version of debian, and i was wondering how do i change teh screen resolution? |
| 01:02.26 | StevenBinion | purging gnome-desktop will or should grab xorg-server in the process |
| 01:02.28 | Andorin | StevenBinion: I think the problem is too complicated for that to be the solution. Besides, right now I'm just tired of messing with it. |
| 01:02.31 | StevenBinion | as it won't be needed |
| 01:03.28 | StevenBinion | ok Andorin I just think reinstalling gnome-desktop would fix it for you, with the purge in the removal. |
| 01:03.46 | I-Hopz | the resolution was fine but then i restarted and then it changed :< |
| 01:03.58 | StevenBinion | resolution? |
| 01:04.08 | I-Hopz | screen resolution |
| 01:04.19 | StevenBinion | dpkg-reconfigure -highp xorg-server |
| 01:04.24 | hamtoeshred | Andorin: you know, a clean reinstall has its benefits, too. you can get a cup of coffee while it's installing |
| 01:04.34 | Andorin | nod |
| 01:04.52 | I-Hopz | StevenBinion: was that for me |
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| 01:05.07 | StevenBinion | for whoever can use it to fix their video |
| 01:05.27 | hamtoeshred | good luck, and thanks for your help, people. I'm out |
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| 01:07.27 | StevenBinion | \m/ rocks to "ostego dead" -Static-X |
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| 01:08.12 | dserban | ldap auth questions, here or some other channel? |
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| 01:15.24 | Kefoo | Hi. Has anybody succeeded in getting the installer to recognize a Marvell SE9128 SATA controller. |
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| 01:17.18 | Kefoo | Um, put a ? at the end of that sentence. |
| 01:17.49 | ultralazer | the what controller? |
| 01:17.51 | ultralazer | heh. |
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| 01:18.52 | Kefoo | I know it will work, because I hooked up a disk with an existing Debian install and it boots fine, but I can't figure out which driver to give the installer. |
| 01:19.31 | cantido | what kernel is the existing install/did you need to build a driver? |
| 01:19.57 | Kefoo | 2.6.30-2-686, and it installed from apt without any custom work. |
| 01:20.32 | cantido | if it doesnt work with the stock install try the kmuto image.. should be ok |
| 01:20.49 | Titan8990 | Kefoo, thats the backports kernel, the default is 2.6.26 |
| 01:21.02 | Titan8990 | judd, versions linux-image-686 |
| 01:21.02 | judd | Titan8990: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 sid: 2.6.31+22 |
| 01:21.05 | cantido | you can always put the controller into emulation/legacy mode for the install.. if it has one of those modes |
| 01:21.16 | Kefoo | I think I saw a legacy option in the BIOS. |
| 01:22.01 | cantido | thought all sata controllers conformed to some spec now .. achi or something |
| 01:22.42 | cantido | thinks the moovida thing thats in experimental is pretty cool tool |
| 01:22.55 | cantido | s/tool/too/ |
| 01:23.18 | Kefoo | Hmm. How did I end up with a backports kernel? |
| 01:23.31 | Kefoo | (I'm rather new to Debian) |
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| 01:23.45 | cantido | Kefoo: did you install a "testing snapshot"? |
| 01:24.03 | Kefoo | No. |
| 01:24.38 | catsup | Kefoo: /etc/apt/sources.list did it |
| 01:25.22 | Kefoo | Well, I'll try the legacy idea and see how that works out. |
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| 01:25.32 | Kefoo | If not, I'll check out the kmuto stuff. |
| 01:26.10 | Kefoo | Thanks all. |
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| 01:38.45 | nuscire | hi, guys. my evince renders image-based PDF file poorly, as if 'smooth image' is not turned on, if any. do you have the same problem? |
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| 01:51.08 | qp_pq | kanotix is debian's live cd ? |
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| 01:51.27 | qp_pq | I've snatched an debian live iso "burned" it on my flash stick |
| 01:51.50 | qp_pq | and now installing according to http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=18845 |
| 01:51.54 | qp_pq | but my grub is crapped |
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| 01:52.56 | qp_pq | and now I'm trying to fix it |
| 01:53.33 | qp_pq | I think I'm gonna become a worldwide expert in grub after I finish this... sheesh .. |
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| 01:54.10 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: good - write an easy to use manual ;) |
| 01:55.13 | qp_pq | the weird thing is that I don't have a stage1 |
| 01:55.17 | qp_pq | in /boot/grub |
| 01:55.20 | qp_pq | with debian live |
| 01:55.29 | qp_pq | what's a stage1 file supposed to be anyway ? |
| 01:55.38 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: I think I will |
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| 01:55.46 | qp_pq | is also using an eeepc to write thse words |
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| 01:55.51 | sysRPL | hello |
| 01:55.54 | sysRPL | could someone help me please? i am using vmware player with a small debian linux distro. i have xfce installed, but when i startx my mouse isn't working. i've tried google, but can't find a way to get my mouse working |
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| 01:55.57 | qp_pq | thinks this sounded too poetic |
| 01:56.07 | sysRPL | any help would be appreciated |
| 01:56.08 | sysRPL | ty |
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| 01:56.50 | cantido | qp_pq: stage1 loads stage2 |
| 01:57.00 | cantido | qp_pq: or stage1.5.. i think |
| 01:57.01 | qp_pq | cantido: that's fantastic |
| 01:57.24 | cantido | qp_pq: you might need to do grub-install to install the grub bits in your boot |
| 01:57.47 | sysRPL | cantido: could you maybe help me? |
| 01:58.04 | qp_pq | sysRPL: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=311462 |
| 01:58.36 | qp_pq | sysRPL: I had the exact same problem |
| 01:58.49 | qp_pq | sysRPL: and you're in a shitload of luck I'm in the exact same place as you |
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| 02:00.38 | dhaivat1 | wow, weechat sucks |
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| 02:01.44 | sysRPL | qp_pq: so you fixed it? |
| 02:01.49 | qp_pq | sysRPL: sure did |
| 02:02.12 | sysRPL | by adding noapic irqpoll pci=routeirq to /boot/grub/menu.list ? |
| 02:02.27 | sysRPL | i'm using vmware btw |
| 02:02.35 | qp_pq | sysRPL: exactly |
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| 02:02.46 | sysRPL | k, let me open menu.list |
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| 02:06.22 | Psi-Jack | Heh. |
| 02:07.03 | qp_pq | sysRPL: worked ? |
| 02:07.04 | cantido | sysRPL: sorry, was translating something... your problem is non-working mouse in vmware? |
| 02:07.27 | multi_io | so, are swap files (rather than partitions) the way to go these days? |
| 02:07.50 | qp_pq | multi_io: what the h*** do you mean ? |
| 02:08.00 | jpinx-eeepc | multi_io: whatever you like |
| 02:08.10 | jpinx-eeepc | multi_io: I have no swap at all ;) |
| 02:08.18 | cantido | multi_io: people with lots of memory dont need swap apparently |
| 02:09.10 | cantido | I would use a partition though.. saves going through the fs for it |
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| 02:09.16 | jpinx-eeepc | multi_io: 2GBs RAM and running browser and gimp and some other stuff is ok |
| 02:09.58 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: using a ssd I would use a swapfile and move it around to even the wear |
| 02:10.21 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: the controller on the SSD levels the wear |
| 02:10.55 | jpinx-eeepc | I hear you, and I have read a lot about all that, but it seems to be not altogether sorted |
| 02:11.17 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: plus flash write cycle guarantees are about the same as hardrives now IIRC |
| 02:11.33 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: not that I will have the eeepc long enough for it to matter ;) |
| 02:12.12 | cantido | mm I hope the eeepc ssd isnt the same cheap shit as the aspire one, that was painful |
| 02:12.25 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: probably is :( |
| 02:12.44 | cantido | any writes caused the whole machine to lockup |
| 02:12.48 | neoice | does anyone know of any captive portal software in the Debian repos? I've searched like crazy and havent found any yet. |
| 02:12.55 | kermit | my samsung ssd died in 3 weeks, it didnt even show up as a drive anymore |
| 02:13.06 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: I'm looking for a model with a repalceable ssd so that I can fit a decent/bigger one |
| 02:13.34 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: the aspire is a ZIF thingy, you can replace it with an ipod HD I think |
| 02:13.35 | jpinx-eeepc | kermit: ouch :( |
| 02:13.51 | jpinx-eeepc | neoice: aptitude search ? |
| 02:14.04 | neoice | jpinx-eeepc: did that as well as p.d.o description search. |
| 02:14.39 | cantido | kermit: that sounds like the controller failing opposed to the flash wearing out |
| 02:14.54 | jpinx-eeepc | neoice: that was to be my next suggestion, failing that there probably isn't |
| 02:15.09 | jpinx-eeepc | kermit: was it under warranty? |
| 02:15.25 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: good hi-speed CF cards in adaptors make good SSDs too.. cheap CF cards make really bad SSDs though ;) |
| 02:16.18 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: I am looking at a 2nd hand 901 eeepc (mine is a 701) which has one "clip-in" ssd and one welded in |
| 02:17.09 | cantido | neoice: what do you mean by captive portal.. something like drupal? |
| 02:17.14 | multi_io | qp_pq: it seems you can use regular files as swap space these (kernel 2.6.x) days |
| 02:18.10 | multi_io | well, I have 8 GB now and intend to install the amd64 Debian |
| 02:18.12 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: mmm I dont think I'd bother with SSDs again.. the atom is slow enough, it doesnt need io bottlenecks ;) |
| 02:18.17 | neoice | cantido: not exactly. like a public wireless access point that makes you agree to some terms before letting you login. hotels and cafes tend to run them to collect money |
| 02:18.25 | multi_io | so I guess I'll at least start with no swap |
| 02:18.33 | neoice | I'm just going to hack my own up with django and iptables. |
| 02:18.34 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: I hear you, but i need the portability |
| 02:18.53 | jpinx-eeepc | multi_io: I have no swap and no problems |
| 02:19.30 | cantido | neoice: ah, ok.. so like chillispot? |
| 02:20.05 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: you can move harddrives around fine, and you can get them in the same form factor as those SSDs |
| 02:20.07 | neoice | cantido: exactly, except chillispot is abandoned and non-repo. I prefer running repo software if I can because I'm lazy. |
| 02:20.29 | cantido | neoice: its in sid apparently |
| 02:20.48 | cantido | but it does look old :/ |
| 02:21.02 | neoice | cantido: link? I'm on p.d.o right now and it has no results. |
| 02:21.11 | neoice | oh ffs |
| 02:21.13 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: sure - I have a usb external drive for when I am at home |
| 02:21.18 | neoice | except that "some results not displayed" part |
| 02:21.56 | cantido | neoice: http://packages.debian.org/sid/chillispot |
| 02:22.14 | neoice | yeah, I got it now, thanks :P |
| 02:22.19 | neoice | now to review pinning |
| 02:22.50 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell neoice about pinning |
| 02:22.56 | jpinx-eeepc | or did you get that already? |
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| 02:25.48 | cantido | neoice: its old, but I can't find anything that seems to replace it :/ |
| 02:26.08 | neoice | cantido: yeah, I'll play with it and if I dont like it, I'll hack my own up in an evening or two |
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| 02:28.24 | Lycurgus | anybody have iphone tethering working with lenny? |
| 02:28.28 | benji01 | Hi, could some nice person give me the md5sum of this ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/ia64/iso-cd/debian-503-ia64-netinst.iso |
| 02:28.58 | cantido | thought hashes were on the site somewhere.. |
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| 02:31.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Lycurgus: I saw something about iphones providing a backdoor to your system :/ |
| 02:31.56 | cantido | benji01: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/ia64/iso-cd/MD5SUMS |
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| 02:32.43 | hamtoeshred | not a big deal but anybody know how to remove desktop icons? |
| 02:32.44 | Lycurgus | jpinx-eeepc, acknowledged |
| 02:33.03 | hamtoeshred | trash, home, computer? |
| 02:33.04 | benji01 | cantido: thanks ! |
| 02:33.24 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: you mean that virus going around installing itself on jailbroken iphones running ssh with the default password for root |
| 02:33.37 | cantido | benji01: are you sure you want ia64 though? |
| 02:33.44 | jpinx-eeepc | hamtoeshred: depends on your desktop - I just remove the symlinks |
| 02:33.49 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: yea |
| 02:34.35 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: and there was something else about that bgiving a backdoor to any linked computer |
| 02:34.50 | benji01 | cantido: no i m not |
| 02:34.56 | benji01 | i m running intel core i7 |
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| 02:35.14 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: once you have access to the phone you access to the networks the phone has access to |
| 02:35.25 | cantido | benji01: you want i386 or amd64 then |
| 02:35.34 | hamtoeshred | gnome 2.2.2.3, lenny default |
| 02:35.39 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: yes - I really can not remember where I read it - I don;t have an iPhone ;)r |
| 02:35.43 | cantido | benji01: amd64 is maybe a little confusing.. but roll with it ;) |
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| 02:36.18 | benji01 | cantido: ok! actually I was thinking IA=Intel Arch |
| 02:36.24 | benji01 | thanks dude |
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| 02:36.41 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: ssh'ing into an jailbroken iphone is like ssh'ing into any old unix machine.. except the file system is all over the shop |
| 02:36.51 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: same bash etc though ;) |
| 02:37.50 | qp_pq | wow, was able to install live debian on my laptop |
| 02:37.55 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: sounds like I don't want an iPhone then ;) |
| 02:37.56 | qp_pq | this is crazy |
| 02:38.49 | qp_pq | what alternatives to gdm do I have ? |
| 02:38.55 | jpinx-eeepc | xdm ? |
| 02:39.04 | cantido | benji01: yeah, IA64 is something totally different that the common man won't own. The core 7i is compatiable to amd's 64bit stuff, so it's called amd64, intel call it emt64 but there you go |
| 02:39.13 | cantido | kdm |
| 02:39.17 | qp_pq | and also how do I run icewm from xdm ? |
| 02:39.37 | cantido | qp_pq: it should become x-window-manager and run by default |
| 02:39.39 | qp_pq | I mean I install icewm aptitude install icewm |
| 02:39.44 | qp_pq | and then I replace it somehow ? |
| 02:40.04 | qp_pq | cantido: and then I get to choose ? |
| 02:40.28 | jpinx-eeepc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:40.40 | qp_pq | no no I just needed something lightweight |
| 02:40.42 | qp_pq | I went for xdm |
| 02:40.50 | qp_pq | but now how do I get icewm going |
| 02:40.53 | qp_pq | or fluxbox or whatever |
| 02:40.56 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: I have gdm running lxde desktop |
| 02:41.07 | jpinx-eeepc | on the smallest model eeepc |
| 02:41.25 | qp_pq | how do I find my kernel version ? |
| 02:41.36 | EagleRock | qp_pq: uname -a |
| 02:41.46 | qp_pq | what's teh debian live root password ? |
| 02:41.56 | jpinx-eeepc | EagleRock: stop stealing the easy ones :p |
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| 02:42.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 02:42.41 | EagleRock | jpinx-eeepc: :-) |
| 02:42.48 | cantido | qp_pq: some display managers allow a choice of DE.. update-alternatives can set the default for you though |
| 02:43.01 | cantido | qp_pq: if theres only one installed, that becomes default |
| 02:43.12 | cantido | theres nodm too as I found out today |
| 02:43.38 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: dunno the password, but check the wiki - try "live" - I have a vague recollection..... |
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| 02:44.06 | leper_ | hello guys |
| 02:44.07 | leper_ | =) |
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| 02:44.28 | icebrain | also there's Orthos: fully opengl dm. very buggy :) |
| 02:44.28 | qp_pq | ok |
| 02:44.29 | qp_pq | success |
| 02:44.34 | qp_pq | but now I want icewm |
| 02:44.38 | qp_pq | how do I get it with xdm ? |
| 02:45.05 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: install it and if it's the only one it *should* "just work" |
| 02:45.20 | cantido | qp_pq: what happens when you login? you should get icewm |
| 02:45.53 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: I also have xfce |
| 02:45.57 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: so its not the only one |
| 02:46.17 | qp_pq | cantido: I get icewm but I don't see any listbox anywhere letting me choose between xfce and icewm |
| 02:46.23 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: there should be an option in the xdm login to offer different sessions |
| 02:46.36 | cantido | qp_pq: I dont think xdm has that functionality |
| 02:46.43 | cantido | qp_pq: kdm and gdm do |
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| 02:46.56 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: why use xfce *and* Icewm ? |
| 02:47.04 | cantido | qp_pq: i think the lxde or xfce thingy does.. not sure though |
| 02:47.14 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: why not? |
| 02:47.32 | EagleRock | cantido's got a point... :-) |
| 02:47.38 | jpinx-eeepc | finds lxde to be perfect as a lightweight desktop |
| 02:47.40 | qp_pq | if I uninstall xfce will I get icewm ? |
| 02:47.45 | icebrain | just put "icewm" in your .xinitrc |
| 02:47.48 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: probably |
| 02:48.02 | cantido | qp_pq: you should, or you can set x-window-manager with update-alternatives |
| 02:49.10 | qp_pq | if I'm in X already running xfce and I want to go back to xdm without rebooting |
| 02:49.12 | qp_pq | how do I do that ? |
| 02:49.24 | cantido | qp_pq: logout or ctrl-alt-backspace iirc |
| 02:49.27 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: stop X and reatart it |
| 02:49.46 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: what are you trying to achieve here? |
| 02:49.53 | cantido | qp_pq: or /etc/init.d/xdm restart .. but not inside a x based terminal that will get killed :) |
| 02:49.56 | jpinx-eeepc | we seem to be chasing our tails a lot ;) |
| 02:50.11 | cantido | qp_pq: you can also replace the WM without logging out though |
| 02:51.09 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: that's like changing a flat without stopping :D |
| 02:51.25 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: I just want to get icewm |
| 02:51.32 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: that's all I'm trying to do |
| 02:51.41 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: nah, its meant to work like that |
| 02:52.09 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: I've never had to try that - but I'll take your word ;) |
| 02:52.21 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: otherwise when the WM crashes because "crazy wobbly windows 2.0!" goes up the wall, you'd be pissed off |
| 02:52.59 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: I have to say that my lxde has been totally solid - never wobbled once |
| 02:53.21 | cantido | like twm |
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| 02:53.55 | cantido | the e17 stuff for mobiles is looking pretty cool though.. |
| 02:54.06 | jpinx-eeepc | aptitude shows twm |
| 02:54.58 | qp_pq | can I feed |
| 02:55.03 | cantido | theres nothing more shizzle than the late 80's glow of twm running on your screen |
| 02:55.10 | qp_pq | aptitude remove "^xfce4.*" ? |
| 02:55.17 | qp_pq | menaing remove everything that has to do with xfce4 |
| 02:55.18 | qp_pq | ? |
| 02:55.20 | qp_pq | *meaning |
| 02:55.53 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: it'd certainly save me some hdd space - I might try it one day ;) |
| 02:56.11 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: aptitude purge |
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| 02:57.04 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: twm has very few depends |
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| 02:58.19 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: its because it does so little |
| 02:59.08 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: l ess than icewm? It was too basic for me |
| 02:59.50 | jpinx-eeepc | though it might be good for a recovery system on a usb stick |
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| 03:00.31 | EagleRock | well, now that I've got time, I might as well try to get debian on this netbook |
| 03:00.32 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: I think its the original X window manager |
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| 03:00.43 | qp_pq | ok so xfce is still here |
| 03:00.52 | qp_pq | although I removed it |
| 03:00.52 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: if you want to run a single X11 application on a screen its good |
| 03:00.58 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: ok - fairysnuff - but I will try it some day when i get time |
| 03:01.03 | EagleRock | has anyone gotten either lenny or squeeze installed on an acer aspire one? |
| 03:01.44 | jpinx-eeepc | EagleRock: I saw someone on irc moaning about acer aspire, but I don't remember the specifics |
| 03:01.58 | jpinx-eeepc | EagleRock: just install it :p |
| 03:02.04 | qp_pq | ok so xfce is still here , how do I remove it ? |
| 03:02.11 | cantido | EagleRock: yeah, works fine. SSD is slooooooow though |
| 03:02.43 | cantido | EagleRock: last time I checked, before the aspire went missing with the woman, even the wifi switch and blinky LED worked |
| 03:02.48 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: aptitude purge xfce4 ? |
| 03:02.52 | EagleRock | jpinx-eeepc: I had a good amount of difficulty trying already thanks to not being able to recognize the ethernet adapter, and I couldn't get wireless to work either |
| 03:03.02 | EagleRock | cantido: luckily, I got one with a 160GB HDD |
| 03:03.09 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: seems like aptitude doesn't have search patterns |
| 03:03.17 | qp_pq | however good 'ol apt-get has |
| 03:03.17 | qp_pq | apt-get -- purge remove xfce* |
| 03:03.20 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: thanks |
| 03:03.42 | cantido | EagleRock: try the kmuto image.. I think I installed the one I had with a testing snapshot after lenny was out |
| 03:04.02 | cantido | they might have changed all the hardware by now though :/ |
| 03:04.03 | qp_pq | now for a good console |
| 03:04.07 | qp_pq | you guys know a good console ? |
| 03:04.19 | cantido | qp_pq: terminal emulator? like xterm? |
| 03:04.21 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: using patterns might be dangerous - better to allow aptitude do the thinking for you ;) |
| 03:04.21 | qp_pq | that has anti-aliased fonts to not f***/burn my eyes ? |
| 03:04.25 | qp_pq | cantido: yes yes |
| 03:04.39 | cantido | qp_pq: xterm is fine then, unless you want tabs |
| 03:04.55 | qp_pq | I just want antialiased fonts |
| 03:05.32 | cantido | likes konsole |
| 03:05.58 | jpinx-eeepc | uses lxdeterm |
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| 03:06.33 | jpinx-eeepc | LXTerminal - actually |
| 03:06.38 | qp_pq | righti |
| 03:06.40 | qp_pq | righto |
| 03:06.45 | EagleRock | cantido: these look good...I'll give it a shot...thanks |
| 03:07.01 | qp_pq | so xdm doesn't really allow to choose between x window managers you need to set them with update-alteratives |
| 03:07.14 | cantido | qp_pq: I think that is the case |
| 03:07.15 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: so it would seem |
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| 03:07.41 | cantido | xdm isnt meant to be all singing all dancing though |
| 03:07.57 | cantido | gdm and kdm do that, they look better too |
| 03:07.58 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: which was the bigger loss - acer or woman? |
| 03:08.21 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: gdm works well for me |
| 03:08.38 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: and allows all kinds of options at login time |
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| 03:09.53 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: mmm well, considering she still has 2 laptops, cameras, lots of other shiney things.. I think the bigger loss is all the shiny things heh |
| 03:10.35 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: but the aspire isnt great unless all you do is look at websites.. so not too bothered about it |
| 03:12.07 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: my eeepc is almost like a mobile communication center - skype, irc, messengers on bitlbee, etc. |
| 03:12.37 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: I have ubuntu on my eeepc |
| 03:12.41 | qp_pq | I read mail with mutt on it |
| 03:12.45 | qp_pq | and browse with opera |
| 03:12.52 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: traitor :p |
| 03:13.01 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: I used my n95 for all of that before it died.. would use the iphone for it if it could run apps in the background and didnt disable connectivity all the time |
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| 03:14.01 | robinetd | This could be interesting. :o. About to pull a no-caffeine all-nighter. :p |
| 03:14.04 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: the processor is fast enough in those machines, I have an atom based media centre thing.. the screens just too small. I tried using netbeans on it and the UI chrome took up 75% of the screen |
| 03:14.24 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: debian, lxde, modified firefox, skype, irssi & bitlbee, gumeric spreadsheets, gimp, and scite |
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| 03:15.04 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: I use vim, I have used scite some time ago |
| 03:15.06 | robinetd | eclipse makes me want to bite my own head off. |
| 03:15.08 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: I am on the 701 - not the atom based 901 |
| 03:15.23 | cantido | jpinx-eeepc: 701 is .. mobile celeron? |
| 03:15.34 | cantido | which is faster than the atom I think.. |
| 03:15.56 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - it's marginally faster, but uses more battery |
| 03:17.24 | robinetd | Oh crap. Kelloggs is running out of waffles. (Just got announced on the news. :\) |
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| 03:17.56 | jpinx-eeepc | old news robinetd - and take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 03:18.19 | robinetd | jpinx-eeepc, I didn't realize I was even in #debian. My bad. |
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| 03:18.57 | qp_pq | so if I have this stick with debian |
| 03:19.03 | nevyn | is sbin in everyone's default path on debian? |
| 03:19.08 | qp_pq | will I ever be able to install anything persistent on it ? |
| 03:19.29 | cantido | nevyn: I dont think so, sbin is meant to be for administrative binaries iirc |
| 03:19.40 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: there is a method using a loop-back but it's complicated |
| 03:19.40 | cantido | qp_pq: on a usb stick? |
| 03:20.19 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: be a man and do a proper install :p |
| 03:20.23 | cantido | qp_pq: if your bios has decent enough emulation you can install to it and use it like a normal drive.. |
| 03:21.01 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: I think he's on some old lappy;) |
| 03:21.03 | qp_pq | cantido: ahahahah |
| 03:21.07 | qp_pq | cantido: are you kidding me man ? |
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| 03:21.21 | cantido | you might have usb-zip emulation.. which can work |
| 03:21.23 | qp_pq | cantido: my laptop is 2004 .. |
| 03:21.37 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: it'll run lenny |
| 03:21.57 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: my old lappy is 2000 and runs happily |
| 03:22.05 | cantido | qp_pq: I had encrypted systems running from digital cameras and shit on older machines |
| 03:22.16 | cantido | qp_pq: uni final project it twas |
| 03:22.27 | jpinx-eeepc | 500MHz and 256MBs RAM, but works fine |
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| 03:23.59 | qp_pq | I am not going back to gnome/kde/xfce for this old pile of iron |
| 03:24.32 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: did you not see wat I'm running ^^ |
| 03:24.52 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: how do I see the name of the debian i'm running ? |
| 03:24.57 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: I saw you run lenny yes |
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| 03:25.42 | cantido | 2004 isnt old really |
| 03:25.52 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 03:26.08 | jpinx-eeepc | cantido: or uname -a to see more details |
| 03:26.27 | cantido | Xorg probably still supports vesa local bus stuff if you ask nicely |
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| 03:27.48 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: debian lenny with backports, lxde, modified firefox, skype, irssi & bitlbee, gumeric spreadsheets, gimp, and scite |
| 03:28.03 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: 5.0.2 for me |
| 03:28.19 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: what's 5.0.2 ? |
| 03:28.31 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: you need to update/safe-upgrade |
| 03:28.53 | qp_pq | aptitude safe-upgrade ? |
| 03:29.43 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: man aptitude ;) |
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| 03:31.04 | qp_pq | aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 03:34.23 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: safe-upgrading ... |
| 03:34.32 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: rebooting ... |
| 03:34.43 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: why are you rebooting? |
| 03:34.51 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: to boot the new kernel |
| 03:34.59 | jpinx-eeepc | what new kernel? |
| 03:35.13 | qp_pq | err..it installed new kernel also ... |
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| 03:36.02 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: it installed a new kernel with a safe-upgrade? You were further behind than you realised :p |
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| 03:38.03 | whammo | has anybody here used the rt kernel from testing? |
| 03:38.15 | EagleRock | I'm about to take off UNR off my aspire one :-) |
| 03:38.43 | EagleRock | thanks to kmuto, who was even kind enough to prove a boot.img |
| 03:39.09 | jpinx-eeepc | EagleRock: cool - you got that acer running ? |
| 03:39.17 | qp_pq | is there a console where I get anti-aliased fonts ? |
| 03:39.22 | EagleRock | jpinx-eeepc: not yet, about to start the install now |
| 03:39.34 | EagleRock | just finished DLing the image |
| 03:39.36 | jpinx-eeepc | EagleRock: gl ;) |
| 03:39.41 | whammo | in terms of distro purity (term?) would it be better to grab the rt kernel from testing and then disable testing repo, or build my own? |
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| 03:40.05 | EagleRock | thanks... and thanks for your help jpinx-eeepc and cantido :-) |
| 03:40.22 | jpinx-eeepc | whammo: not quite sure what you are ttrying to achieve, but usually install stable and work upwards |
| 03:41.05 | qp_pq | is there a console where I get anti-aliased fonts ? |
| 03:41.17 | whammo | jpinx-eeepc: i need realtime-enabled kernel for audio production, trying to figure which steps would be best to achieve in pure debian build |
| 03:41.23 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: you keep asking that |
| 03:41.38 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, I'm perseverent |
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| 03:41.52 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: "persistent" |
| 03:42.17 | whammo | qp_pq: by console do you mean terminal? |
| 03:42.46 | jpinx-eeepc | whammo: I have no experience of that |
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| 03:43.28 | whammo | jpinx-eeepc: that's OK, the specialty audio guys have no knowledge of keeping a working distro lol |
| 03:43.31 | multi_io | 1GB for the /boot partition should be enough for anyone, right? |
| 03:44.05 | jpinx-eeepc | multi_io: 1Gb is enough for a base system ;) |
| 03:44.14 | qp_pq | whammo: yes terminal |
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| 03:44.51 | EagleRock | omg I am so stupid...I download the amd64 files for an i386 laptop :-///// |
| 03:45.51 | whammo | qp_pq: have you tried looking through synaptic? you could search "terminal" an click on any items that seem useful, read the description. not sure if that helps, but I find a lot of good that way |
| 03:46.08 | qp_pq | whammo: yes but I know there is one that has anti-aliased fonts |
| 03:46.12 | jpinx-eeepc | gives EagleRock a cake |
| 03:46.19 | qp_pq | whammo: I saw it while running dreamlinux which is a somewhat unknown distro |
| 03:46.23 | EagleRock | claps at his retard cake :-) |
| 03:46.31 | qp_pq | whammo: it had beautifylly anti-aliased fonts which please my eyes |
| 03:46.32 | qp_pq | :) |
| 03:46.36 | qp_pq | whammo: and I want that in debian |
| 03:47.15 | whammo | qp_pq: try "terminal alias" in the search. you only get 6 or so items, so you could try each |
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| 03:49.37 | whammo | qp_pq: another suggestion could be that if you have a hard time reading provided fonts, install audacious, go to themes, custom, and try aud-default. good working high contrast inverted scheme |
| 03:50.08 | qp_pq | no I don't have a hard time reading fonts |
| 03:50.14 | qp_pq | its just that xterm has small fonts |
| 03:50.19 | qp_pq | and that I don't really like xterm |
| 03:50.25 | qp_pq | but I'm forced to use it |
| 03:50.31 | qp_pq | I mean I don't have sight pproblems or anythign |
| 03:52.00 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: not sure why you are forced into xterm - use lxde desktop and get a nice terminal |
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| 03:53.57 | whammo | qp_pq: I'd like fonts a little bigger myself so feel free to share if you figure it out. let synaptic be your guide |
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| 03:54.51 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: my LXTerminal allows me to choose all kinds of fonts |
| 03:54.53 | whammo | I'm trying to figure out how to get the system to display japanese text myself |
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| 03:55.40 | whammo | but for me that's lower priority than realtime (pun) |
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| 03:58.25 | tuv | there are no default applications associated with any file type anymore. pcmanfm and rox-filer show "Unknown file type". how to fix this/ |
| 03:59.07 | arvind_khadri | hi, i have a 100gb partition and have set it up as ext3...how do i make it writeable by me? |
| 03:59.19 | tuv | it suddenly happened in the last few days. used to have proper default applications in both file managers |
| 03:59.51 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: ok using it, now how do I get white background ? |
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| 04:00.02 | qp_pq | jpinx-eeepc: and black foreground (invert the current colors ) |
| 04:00.11 | tuv | arvind_khadri: add '-o uid=<your-user-numeric-id>,gid=<your-user-numeric-group-id>' to your mount command |
| 04:00.17 | jpinx-eeepc | qp_pq: dunno - I don;t like that :p |
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| 04:00.50 | jeancalvin500 | how do i format my SDHC card? |
| 04:00.51 | jpinx-eeepc | arvind_khadri: depends on how it was mounted |
| 04:01.23 | arvind_khadri | jpinx-eeepc, am using fstab to mount it... |
| 04:01.27 | jpinx-eeepc | jeancalvin500: cfdisk /dev/sd* whatever the device is |
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| 04:01.45 | jeancalvin500 | jpinx-eeepc, i'm using eepc at the moment too. |
| 04:01.50 | whammo | arvind_khadri: is it mounted? |
| 04:01.50 | arvind_khadri | tuv, oops, didnt tell you that. |
| 04:01.59 | jeancalvin500 | jpinx-eeepc, how do i figure outh the device address+ |
| 04:02.02 | jpinx-eeepc | arvind_khadri: what's the line in /etc/fstab? |
| 04:02.05 | codyrobbins | What is the deal when apt-get gives me the following error: 'The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available' |
| 04:02.10 | arvind_khadri | whammo, yeah it gets mounted |
| 04:02.12 | jpinx-eeepc | jeancalvin500: fdisk -l |
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| 04:02.36 | arvind_khadri | jpinx-eeepc, user,rw,nosuid |
| 04:02.38 | jeancalvin500 | jpinx-eeepc, fdisk... command not found |
| 04:02.49 | jpinx-eeepc | jeancalvin500: as root |
| 04:03.13 | whammo | arvind_khadri: you could try root terminal, nautilus, navigate to and right click on the drive, properties, and adjust permissions from there |
| 04:03.20 | jpinx-eeepc | arvind_khadri: you might want to add your uid |
| 04:03.30 | tuv | arvind_khadri: you can add the uid and gid options to your /etc/fstab options field |
| 04:04.40 | jpinx-eeepc | goes zzzzzzzzzzz |
| 04:04.47 | whammo | arvind_khadri: lemme know if that works, because I think I've done it before |
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| 04:05.49 | arvind_khadri | tuv, whammo its not working, dmesg | tail spits that uid is not an option for ext3 |
| 04:06.03 | tuv | xdg-open seems to have some default files for various file types, but all files show with "Unknown file type" in graphical file managers. what could cause this? |
| 04:06.21 | arvind_khadri | i did it as uid=100= |
| 04:06.26 | arvind_khadri | *1000 |
| 04:06.44 | jeancalvin500 | jpinx-eeepc, ok. sudo fdisk works. but what do i answer in prompts?? |
| 04:07.01 | whammo | arvind_khadri: sorry I'm stumped. I assume this drive has valuable data in it, is it from another system? |
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| 04:08.04 | arvind_khadri | whammo, no, this is a standalone system... the drive is empty :) is it really possible to have ext3 writable by non root users? |
| 04:08.45 | jeancalvin500 | should i use extended OR primary partition for my SDHC card? |
| 04:08.45 | whammo | arvind_khadri: sure it is. if the drive is empty already try gparted |
| 04:08.47 | tuv | arvind_khadri: what happens of you mount it with your regular (non-root) user (with the user option, without the uid option)? |
| 04:09.24 | tuv | jeancalvin500: use extended partitions if you intend to have more than 4 partitions on a single device |
| 04:09.40 | arvind_khadri | tuv, will check now |
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| 04:09.47 | jeancalvin500 | tuv, hhuh? i just want to use SDHC card in a netbook. |
| 04:10.05 | tuv | jeancalvin500: single partition? primary |
| 04:10.08 | jeancalvin500 | tuv, it's 32 GB SDHC card. i don' understand what you said ree; partition |
| 04:10.17 | tonyd | Is it possible to network a debian lenny computer to a windows xp computer for the purpose of file sharing? |
| 04:10.19 | whammo | arvind_khadri: I'm sorry I don't know uid. but if you (even temporarily) give your user sudo access, run gparted on the drive, then the user should own the drive, and you'll be sure it's in good order |
| 04:10.29 | tuv | tonyd: yes |
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| 04:10.46 | jeancalvin500 | tuv, how can i chck how many partitions are now on sdhc? (I just ran fdisk. |
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| 04:11.03 | tuv | jeancalvin500: fdisk -l |
| 04:11.07 | tonyd | How? Anywhere I can get a how to on that? |
| 04:11.29 | tuv | tonyd: you just have to try. plenty of how-tos |
| 04:11.41 | tuv | tonyd: look for samba |
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| 04:13.16 | qp_pq | how do I get alsa going ? |
| 04:13.20 | qp_pq | I just started itt |
| 04:13.24 | qp_pq | and alsamixer gives me |
| 04:13.34 | qp_pq | snd_ctl_open failed for default: no succh directory or file |
| 04:14.03 | whammo | qp_pq is this a clean install of lenny you are using? |
| 04:14.17 | qp_pq | whammo: upgraded one |
| 04:14.20 | qp_pq | whammo: from a livecd |
| 04:14.28 | jeancalvin500 | tuv, ok. done. how can i access my sdhc now? I've just formatted it.\\ |
| 04:14.37 | whammo | qp_pq: ok but it was a lenny cd? |
| 04:14.39 | Titan8990 | anyone know which package ifup comes from? |
| 04:14.51 | qp_pq | whammo: yeah |
| 04:14.53 | qp_pq | whammo: why ? |
| 04:15.00 | arvind_khadri | tuv, same error |
| 04:15.11 | whammo | qp_pq: just background info. |
| 04:15.30 | whammo | qp_pq: do you use onboard sound or usb? pci card? |
| 04:15.48 | qp_pq | onboard |
| 04:16.23 | whammo | qp_pq: have you tried preferences, sound, and tried the tests there? |
| 04:16.43 | prahal | does anyone knows how to read insserv loop error log ? |
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| 04:17.21 | qp_pq | whammo: what is that and where do I find it ? |
| 04:17.51 | whammo | qp_pq: foot icon->system->preferences->sound |
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| 04:18.17 | qp_pq | whammo: I use icewm , I don't have that |
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| 04:18.48 | whammo | qp_pq: I'm a gnome guy so I might not be too helpful :( |
| 04:18.52 | prahal | http:/paste.debian.net/51870/ is the log |
| 04:19.15 | whammo | qp_pq: is it possible you have onboard sound disable through BIOS and forgot about it? |
| 04:20.22 | tuv | arvind_khadri: what error? uid? |
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| 04:21.03 | whammo | qp_pq: maybe this doesn't really help you, but my best advice would be to stick to gnome as it is the default manager, and once hardware issues are nailed down choose a fresher WM |
| 04:21.16 | arvind_khadri | tuv, yes, it says option not recognized |
| 04:21.46 | multi_io | is anyone here using separate /usr, /tmp, /var, /home volumes, and why? |
| 04:21.58 | tuv | arvind_khadri: well remove the uid option. you already have 'user' so a regular user should be able to mount it and have access to it |
| 04:22.17 | multi_io | (or a similar setup with separate volumes) |
| 04:22.29 | arvind_khadri | tuv, ok, thanks\ |
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| 04:23.13 | Skipp_OSX | can I get the mysql librarys in some apt package? |
| 04:23.29 | qp_pq | whammo: I'm low on hardware but if nothing else works I'll use gnome ... |
| 04:24.16 | tuv | qp_pq: is the device listed when you run: lspci -v |
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| 04:26.26 | qp_pq | ok I fixed it |
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| 04:26.31 | qp_pq | /dev/dsp didn't have permissions |
| 04:26.50 | tuv | arvind_khadri: did it work? |
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| 04:26.59 | Skipp_OSX | meh, so many packages, so confusing |
| 04:27.12 | arvind_khadri | tuv,not yet...so wat else |
| 04:27.24 | pflanze | Hello. How does the Debian installer configure X? I installed without desktop or X support, |
| 04:27.27 | pflanze | now I've apt-get install'ed xserver-xorg, but the config doesn't work as nothing asked me for configuration. |
| 04:27.40 | tuv | arvind_khadri: what is the command you're running as a normal user? and what's the output? |
| 04:28.22 | pflanze | Some installation guide says the Debian installer configures X for this computer fine, so, which program do I have to run to make up for this? |
| 04:28.24 | arvind_khadri | tuv, sudo mount -t ext3 /dev/sda6 /media/songs |
| 04:28.26 | tuv | pflanze: modern xorg probes for hardware and does not require a conf file, but you can create one if you need it |
| 04:28.47 | pflanze | tuv: well, starting X just leaves the screen dead |
| 04:29.06 | pflanze | I can ssh in, but even after stopping X (which didn't even run) the screen remains dead. |
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| 04:29.11 | tuv | arvind_khadri: run: 'mount /media/songs' only |
| 04:29.12 | redax | hi. |
| 04:29.27 | pflanze | Now I don't know what config it needs, which is why I'm asking which program would help it. |
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| 04:30.00 | redax | please help, what's the name for libiconv ? |
| 04:30.07 | tuv | pflanze: did you try: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 04:30.50 | tuv | pflanze: or 'dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg' if the first doesn't create a conffile |
| 04:31.04 | pflanze | ok, that's useful, thanks. |
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| 04:31.15 | arvind_khadri | tuv, it mounts now, but still permissions are to root... |
| 04:31.22 | arvind_khadri | tuv, i will be back in a while |
| 04:32.16 | redax | or do we miss libiconv at all? |
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| 04:33.58 | pflanze | redax: the iconv tool uses libc only. Maybe libc provides that functionality? |
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| 04:35.17 | redax | brb.. I tring to add rfc2640 support (charset conversion) to pure-ftpd. |
| 04:35.35 | redax | the debian source added the option in debian/rules |
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| 04:36.31 | redax | hm. |
| 04:36.50 | pflanze | redax: http://www.dataparksearch.org/cgi-bin/simpleforum.cgi?fid=03&topic_id=1093427031 |
| 04:36.51 | qp_pq | how can I get the latest kernel ? |
| 04:36.59 | redax | pflanze: btw. you're right, I remember iconv is included in libc... |
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| 04:37.39 | redax | pflanze: yah. found that... just not helped.. |
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| 04:42.53 | redax | hm... glibc gas gconv() |
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| 04:43.58 | redax | has... |
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| 04:50.26 | jair | hello guys, I have a drive configured as NTFS which I want to recover data from. I am using debian and the ntfs-3g tool to mount the drive into a directory "/media/mount-point" and I get this message: http://paste.debian.net/51872/ |
| 04:50.33 | oh_noes | why doesnt echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 04:50.37 | oh_noes | cause a fsck on next reboot? |
| 04:51.23 | jair | here is the way debian see the disk: http://paste.debian.net/51873/ |
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| 04:51.51 | jair | basically is there a tool GNU I can use to recover the data, specially pictures from the drive? |
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| 04:53.02 | jair | anybody can recommend me a tool I can use to try to recover the pictures at least on the drive? I can't remember the one I used once that will scan all the drive and let me export by categories jpegs, docs, etc... |
| 04:53.29 | pflanze | I've got no luck trying to run X, getting "xf86PciVideoInfo is not set" "Could not get primary PCI info". |
| 04:54.04 | pflanze | lspci -v clearly shows stuff. Still--I've changed irq in the bios so not all pci devices are sharing the same, is this a reason? |
| 04:54.15 | redax | ntfs-3g? wow. long time not checked ntfs stuffs :) |
| 04:55.14 | pflanze | oh_noes: maybe you are using a journaled filesystem? |
| 04:55.55 | jair | redax: yes, the drive was originally from a windows xp client machine |
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| 04:56.16 | redax | I understand that. just wondered what is ntfs_g3 |
| 04:56.22 | jair | but I just want to recover the most I can from the drive, it does not boot when is on the computer |
| 04:56.48 | redax | If I remember, I tried to mount NTFS from linux last time about 8years ago |
| 04:57.00 | jair | redax: ntfs-3g is a tool that allow mounting NTFS in linux OS with wrting priviledges. |
| 04:57.09 | jair | without corrupt the file system. |
| 04:57.19 | jair | hahaha |
| 04:57.20 | pflanze | Jaif: have you checked the ntfsprogs package? |
| 04:57.27 | redax | maybe you need the original WinXP ntfs.drv |
| 04:57.32 | redax | or sys or whatver |
| 04:57.33 | oh_noes | pflanze: correct, ext3 but still all my writes werent flushed to disk, so id expect fsck.ext3 to pickup and check for errors |
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| 04:58.00 | jair | hmmm. so you are saying I should try windows and NTFS tools to recover the data? |
| 04:58.07 | pflanze | oh_noes: journaling is exactly so that no fsck is needed if writes haven't been flushed |
| 04:58.22 | redax | fixed pureftp iconv check. just had to drop out the check for -liconv |
| 04:58.27 | pflanze | jair: ntfsprogs is a debian package |
| 04:58.39 | redax | rather check for the functions without the library |
| 04:58.43 | jair | pflanze: ok I will check that |
| 04:59.10 | qp_pq | where do I configure icewm to show me some particular icon in left down corner ? |
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| 05:00.01 | jair | pflanze: I have the package installed |
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| 05:00.39 | pflanze | Jaif: I've never dealt with ntfs; I was suspecting that package has userspace tools for access, as opposed to the kernel whic hyou've been using |
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| 05:00.45 | jair | pflanze: ohhh I am looking at the man page now =) |
| 05:00.53 | pflanze | sorry jair, not Jaif (gr) |
| 05:01.11 | jair | pflanze: that's fine |
| 05:01.13 | arvind_khadri | tuv, any ideas? |
| 05:01.22 | pflanze | sorry to him, not you |
| 05:02.11 | jair | ohh ok |
| 05:02.35 | jair | pflanze: anyway I will see what I can do with the ntfsprogs package |
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| 05:03.39 | pflanze | (some people have their irc client to pop up a message or play a sound if you talk to them, meaning disturbing them for nothing if using the wrong name) |
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| 05:04.04 | Rusty1 | http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec might be useful jair |
| 05:04.37 | jair | Rusty1: ok thank you sir |
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| 05:19.13 | qp_pq | finally customized my icewm |
| 05:19.20 | qp_pq | through a locate I was able to find the config files |
| 05:19.27 | qp_pq | given as examples somewhere in /etc/X11/icewm |
| 05:19.32 | qp_pq | and copied them to .icewm |
| 05:19.35 | qp_pq | were pretty fine |
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| 05:23.00 | Vonnick | How often should I restart a Debian computer? |
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| 05:24.39 | Vonnick | I'll take that as every 30 seconds. |
| 05:25.11 | Psi-Jack | Does gamin actually do anything in Debian 5.0? |
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| 05:31.58 | qp_pq | Psi-Jack: lol ? |
| 05:32.45 | Psi-Jack | I guess gamin's not like famd, doesn't run a service to keep tabs? |
| 05:34.12 | pflanze | X is now working (it crashed the kernel in the end, upon reboot I changed irq settings all back to 11, now it just runs. whatever.) |
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| 05:37.43 | patterson | sometimes loss of focus can be painfull |
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| 05:51.48 | qp_pq | I have 3 machines and distcc on all of them |
| 05:52.07 | qp_pq | I was trying to find out if it does compile faster |
| 05:52.10 | qp_pq | and configured for all of them |
| 05:52.37 | qp_pq | now ran top on all of them and distcc is not doing any load to the other 2 computers |
| 05:52.40 | qp_pq | which is weird |
| 05:52.42 | qp_pq | :( |
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| 06:36.53 | hid3nax | Morning everyone. How can I force `radtest' (it tests radius authentication) to use MS-CHAP2 encryption instead of sending the password in plain text? |
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| 06:41.50 | lordkelmain | Hi all. I just installed lenny and I'm running XFCE. The "quit" menu is missing standby and hibernate options. Is there any solution to this other than upgrading to XFCE4.6? |
| 06:42.14 | elik | I'm trying to reinstall grub on my hard drive. I usually use the chroot method, but now it doesn't work because my installation is 64 bits but the boot cd is 32 bit. I read something about grub, then root(hdN) and setup(hdN,M). Is there any way to check what N and M should be (find does not work) |
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| 06:42.52 | micols | is it possible to enable nodeadkeys for only one X client program? |
| 06:42.59 | qp_pq | can I lock screen in icewm ? |
| 06:43.22 | micols | the program is maple, exponent sign seems to fail with deadkeys on |
| 06:43.49 | lordkelmain | qp_pq, http://www.icewm.org/FAQ/IceWM-FAQ-9.html#ss9.4 |
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| 06:45.04 | elik | or what is the risk of setting root to a wrong device? |
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| 06:46.45 | lordkelmain | elik, did you try setting both N and M to zero? |
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| 06:47.07 | lordkelmain | elik, how many hard drives do you have? |
| 06:47.15 | elik | lordkelmain, 2 hd |
| 06:47.25 | elik | and a lot of partitions on one |
| 06:47.49 | elik | I'm just not sure which hd is 0 and which is 1, in Grub terms |
| 06:47.57 | elik | hum, wait |
| 06:48.02 | Yu\2 | hi all. How can I boot my Debian system without X? I need just pure command line. |
| 06:48.03 | elik | sda -> hd0 ? |
| 06:48.16 | lordkelmain | elik, yes. |
| 06:48.29 | lordkelmain | elik, well, probably. Should be. I could be horribly wrong. |
| 06:48.34 | elik | ok, and partitions are in order of appearance? |
| 06:48.49 | Tramp | !tell Yu\2 -about nox |
| 06:48.56 | elik | lordkelmain, well then, unless I know it has no impact on my system, I'll wait a bit :) |
| 06:48.57 | lordkelmain | elik, appearance where? |
| 06:49.13 | elik | lordkelmain, say gparted |
| 06:49.16 | Yu\2 | Tramp thanks |
| 06:49.21 | Tramp | yw |
| 06:49.32 | lordkelmain | Do you have just linux partitions on the drive? |
| 06:49.52 | lordkelmain | hd0,0 should correspond to sda1. |
| 06:49.57 | elik | lordkelmain, WinXP, Win7, Linux, Extened |
| 06:50.04 | elik | so yeah, I'm thinking hd0,2 |
| 06:50.49 | elik | you think the fact that my boot cd is 32 bits and the linux I'm trying to restore is 64 bits has any impact? |
| 06:51.31 | lordkelmain | elik, I don't know. |
| 06:54.03 | elik | I guess setup can only prevent boot from hd anywya, not messing with partitions content |
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| 06:54.14 | elik | so hum, I'll give it a quick try |
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| 06:54.57 | lordkelmain | elik, the data will still be there, but whether you can boot up to access it is a different matter. |
| 06:55.08 | elik | lordkelmain, don't care about that |
| 06:55.19 | elik | I've got my whole life to fix that :) |
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| 06:59.38 | kiri | just experienced something weird. I am on debian lenny. I was reading the apt-get man pages, and upon quitting, I was sent to the directory /usr/share/man |
| 06:59.49 | kiri | anybody else experienced this? |
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| 07:03.16 | pobega | kiri: that's kind of weird. Does it happen every time? |
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| 07:07.50 | spiky25 | http://pastebin.com/m4d166034 Can you help me a little ??? |
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| 07:12.36 | kiri | pobega, apparently not all the time |
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| 07:21.34 | spiky25 | http://pastebin.com/m4d166034 Can you help me a little to config my .conkyrc file for conky ??? problems 3 and 4 still are to solve ... |
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| 07:26.43 | qp_pq | lordkelmain: yeah I installed xlockmore and got xlock and that was about it...I didn't have xlock on my system(god knows why...) |
| 07:26.56 | qp_pq | any terminal that supports unicode ? like umlauts and s*it ? |
| 07:27.11 | chunky | http://synapse.im - has anyone here successfully compiled this app on debian? |
| 07:27.50 | iskra | Hey all... anyone have suggestions on a POP3/IMAP server? Faves? I was going to go with Dovecot... |
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| 07:38.11 | asmodeus_ | !hi |
| 07:38.11 | dpkg | hello, asmodeus_ |
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| 07:39.07 | qp_pq | any other UNICODE terminal for dutch language for example ... ? |
| 07:39.11 | spiky25 | http://pastebin.com/m4d166034 I need a conky specialist !!! problem 3 is solved but I wanted to see both interfaces in one ... The final result is shown on the website down of my pastebin as comment code stating my problems ... |
| 07:40.27 | iskra | spiky25: what was the issue again? |
| 07:40.58 | spiky25 | see at the end of my pastebin |
| 07:41.05 | iskra | spikey25: yeah nm just caught that |
| 07:41.15 | spiky25 | I said them there ... |
| 07:42.00 | spiky25 | hddtemp and computertemp are installed ... |
| 07:42.27 | asmodeus_ | !punch me |
| 07:42.28 | dpkg | thwacks asmodeus_ with a quick sharp left hook. |
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| 07:43.45 | spiky25 | punch asmoeus |
| 07:44.05 | asmodeus_ | !eat spiky25 ass |
| 07:44.06 | dpkg | eats spiky25 ass, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 07:44.06 | spiky25 | punch air ... |
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| 07:44.32 | iskra | i don't see wlan0 listed anywhere... you mean you want conky to show eth0 + wlan0? |
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| 07:44.42 | man_in_irssi | waves |
| 07:44.52 | man_in_irssi | is there a package for mysql/jdbc support? |
| 07:45.00 | spiky25 | yes but I switched it to wlan0 for now |
| 07:45.21 | badaxx | hey guys, when I try to install initramfs-tools apt-get gives me the following: http://nopaste.info/d3118cdddd.html |
| 07:45.26 | badaxx | how can I stop it from asking me? |
| 07:47.43 | iskra | spiky25: im no conky expert (just thought i'd stick my nose into your business), but have you tried just adding them? {${upseed eth0} + ${upspeed wlan0}} =) |
| 07:47.56 | macrobat | badaxx: you can backup a copy of the file, install the new file and examine the difference |
| 07:48.02 | iskra | bad timing for smiley face... |
| 07:48.10 | macrobat | i like gvimdiff |
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| 07:48.59 | badaxx | macrobat: well I wrote a script that automatically installs a server for me (I've got a system with about 30 servers). isnt there a parameter that tells apt-get to automatically install the newer version of the config? |
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| 07:49.58 | spiky25 | I'll try can you check my others problems ??? |
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| 07:53.32 | macrobat | badaxx: for aptitude there is the --assume-yes option |
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| 07:54.12 | spiky25 | Working but not perfectly nice but acceptable and decent ... |
| 07:54.27 | badaxx | macrobat: well I always use --force-yes.. is there a difference? I think force-yes only answers with "yes" when it should ask whether I want to install a package |
| 07:55.21 | macrobat | idk, i never have/want to force things |
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| 08:04.12 | badaxx | hm is there another channel where I could ask? |
| 08:04.41 | asmodeus_ | !kill badaxx |
| 08:04.41 | dpkg | rips off badaxx's balls with a large trout |
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| 08:04.54 | badaxx | ? |
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| 08:06.34 | asmodeus_ | badaxx, waaa haaa haaa |
| 08:07.47 | badaxx | oO |
| 08:08.01 | asmodeus_ | badaxx, wanha war? |
| 08:08.07 | asmodeus_ | you in US |
| 08:08.14 | asmodeus_ | i in iraq |
| 08:08.23 | badaxx | dude |
| 08:08.27 | badaxx | stop smoking weed |
| 08:08.32 | badaxx | or gimme some |
| 08:08.42 | asmodeus_ | ok i will give you |
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| 08:08.58 | asmodeus_ | !give badaxx |
| 08:08.58 | lafrance | gives badaxx a cellphone |
| 08:09.06 | asmodeus_ | ha ha aha |
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| 08:09.11 | badaxx | haha. |
| 08:09.16 | badaxx | how old are you? 10? |
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| 08:09.58 | krion | hi |
| 08:10.02 | asmodeus_ | ha ha ha a ha ah!!! 10*4 |
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| 08:22.18 | factor | awesome debian icewes at 3.5 |
| 08:22.31 | Tobias| | ehm |
| 08:22.32 | Tobias| | Yay? |
| 08:22.43 | Tobias| | :P |
| 08:22.44 | Tobias| | installs |
| 08:22.53 | harpal | how to install gnome without answering any question. every thing it takes yes and install that? |
| 08:22.57 | Tobias| | Been using swiftfox thus far; I can't really see much point using iceweasel |
| 08:23.21 | Tobias| | I don't believe swiftfox has the firefox licensing issues; either |
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| 08:29.31 | ttl_work | how can i control the X and Y position of a xterm window, i know how to control the size but don't seem to be able to control it's position on the screen, i want to open 4 windows at each corner of the screen... |
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| 08:30.21 | franki^ | factor: in sid? when will it be in testing? :) |
| 08:31.33 | factor | dunno |
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| 08:31.46 | factor | just rebooted with 2.6.31 and saw the + bar on the tabs |
| 08:31.58 | factor | and being in 64 bit the youtube works |
| 08:32.16 | factor | could not get firefox to work with youtube 64 bit flash |
| 08:32.20 | factor | works now |
| 08:32.27 | factor | always worked in icewes though |
| 08:32.35 | factor | 32 or 64 |
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| 08:32.51 | factor | but now since icewes is up to date no need |
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| 08:32.58 | factor | GNASH is getting pretty good as well |
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| 08:47.56 | asmodeus_ | !squish bill gates |
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| 08:48.42 | GNU\colossus | yeah that's a useful bot at last! |
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| 08:48.59 | asmodeus_ | crush steve ballmer |
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| 08:49.05 | asmodeus_ | !crush steve ballmer |
| 08:49.05 | dpkg | sits on steve ballmer till he turns blue |
| 08:49.06 | GNU\colossus | !crush Steve Ballmer |
| 08:49.07 | dpkg | sits on Steve Ballmer till he turns blue |
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| 08:49.17 | GNU\colossus | ⥠dpkg |
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| 08:51.26 | asmodeus_ | !good |
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| 09:00.01 | hoo-hah | hi guys. I'm still having the firefox problem where left arrows char turn into cedilla, and right arrow turns into an uppercase E with an accent on top. I've been searching (fruitlessly) for similar experiences, but the only one remotely similar is http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=686975&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a |
| 09:00.15 | hoo-hah | has anyone experienced this? (iceweasel in Squeeze) |
| 09:00.36 | karsten | hoo-hah: Whate's your locale? |
| 09:00.45 | hoo-hah | en_AU.UTF8 |
| 09:01.01 | karsten | hoo-hah: Have you tried turning your monitor right-side up? |
| 09:01.06 | hoo-hah | en_AU.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 09:01.19 | karsten | hoo-hah: ... or alternately, what happens if you set LANG=C |
| 09:01.44 | hoo-hah | would that have made a difference prior to any recent updates? |
| 09:02.01 | hoo-hah | I haven't touched any environ variables in a few onths, and this problem only occured recently |
| 09:02.12 | karsten | hoo-hah: I'm suspecting charset issues. en_AU really *should* be pretty much the same as C thought. |
| 09:02.21 | asmodeus_ | !kill hoo-hah |
| 09:02.21 | dpkg | rips off hoo-hah's balls with his teeth |
| 09:02.46 | hoo-hah | LANG=C firefox turns it into ⦠|
| 09:03.01 | hoo-hah | asmodeus_: ? |
| 09:03.09 | karsten | hoo-hah: ?? |
| 09:03.20 | asmodeus_ | hoo-hah, ??? |
| 09:03.26 | karsten | hoo-hah: So still wrong, but differently wrong? |
| 09:03.36 | karsten | asmodeus_: behave. |
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| 09:03.49 | hoo-hah | I think the ... just signifies that it couldn't find any chars to use at all |
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| 09:03.59 | hoo-hah | but yeah, differently wrong |
| 09:04.09 | karsten | hoo-hah: Have you installed / updated / reinstalled fonts lately? |
| 09:04.14 | hoo-hah | expecting left or right arrows usually seen in forum boards |
| 09:04.25 | nader | HI, can I install debian from the source ? |
| 09:04.35 | hoo-hah | karsten: nope. |
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| 09:05.32 | hoo-hah | karsten: in dpkg.log, the only thing I could find that's most recent is locale and libc* |
| 09:05.38 | karsten | !tell nader about source |
| 09:05.39 | hoo-hah | ie the recent updates on the system |
| 09:05.54 | karsten | hoo-hah: That *could* be your problem right there. |
| 09:05.58 | hoo-hah | but no bug reports for it |
| 09:06.19 | karsten | hoo-hah: I'm not familiar with this one, would suggest checking BTS. |
| 09:06.38 | hoo-hah | yeah, I've been checking it since about a week ago since this started happening |
| 09:06.49 | hoo-hah | but I'll file a bug tomorrow if nothing arises |
| 09:07.02 | karsten | hoo-hah: libc is pretty tightly coupled with locales, FYI. |
| 09:07.03 | nader | karsten, I mean source based like gentoo |
| 09:07.21 | karsten | nader: Somewhat, but not as conveniently. |
| 09:07.50 | karsten | nader: The factoid you got from dpkg gives you suggestions for further reading. |
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| 09:08.17 | hoo-hah | karsten: if it matters, my settings that previously worked http://pastebin.com/f168000f |
| 09:08.39 | hoo-hah | is it possible the update included a new naming format? |
| 09:08.50 | hoo-hah | checks Changelog |
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| 09:10.07 | karsten | hoo-hah: Really, no idea. |
| 09:10.33 | karsten | calls it a night. |
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| 09:12.14 | nader | karsten, ok tnx |
| 09:12.44 | hoo-hah | would it make a difference if I were to use en_AU.UTF-8 instead for LANG (in place of en_AU.utf8) ? |
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| 09:24.04 | Debian-user | Hello, is anyone here ? |
| 09:24.50 | vy | Has anybody ever installed Debian GNU/Linux on a Sun Fire X4440 system? |
| 09:24.53 | wahjava | hi Debian-user |
| 09:25.03 | greenmang0 | Debian-user: 880 nicks here :P |
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| 09:25.58 | Debian-user | I want to change debian kde startup sound , i want to add kde4 startup sound , how would i do this?Is it possible ? |
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| 09:27.20 | Debian-user | ? |
| 09:28.48 | franki^ | Debian-user: you're using kde4? |
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| 09:29.39 | greenmang0 | vy: i tried installing on Sun Fire X4200 |
| 09:29.46 | greenmang0 | vy: successfully ;) |
| 09:29.52 | Debian-user | franki^: No, kde 3.5 |
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| 09:30.22 | greenmang0 | Debian-user: check "kcontrol" |
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| 09:31.00 | vy | greenmang0: What about RAID controllers? |
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| 09:31.10 | fokas | hi there |
| 09:31.23 | greenmang0 | vy: :(... no RAID... it was a LVM installation |
| 09:31.39 | fokas | I've got a strange issue while installing debian, and I'm not new to debian |
| 09:31.42 | franki^ | Debian-user: google says it's in sound & multimedia -> system notifications |
| 09:31.53 | fokas | It seems to be apt related |
| 09:32.23 | fokas | As anyone installed a fresh debian netinstall lately? |
| 09:32.38 | vy | greenmang0: There are 1+4 ethernet entrances behind the rack, but during installed Debian only listed 4. Did you experience a similar problem? |
| 09:32.54 | Debian-user | franki^: Ok, thank you, bye |
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| 09:32.59 | `GMF` | hi ppl |
| 09:33.08 | `GMF` | seems like my cron is not working anymore on debian lenny |
| 09:33.19 | `GMF` | is there anyone who can help me with this ? |
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| 09:34.02 | greenmang0 | vy: x4200 has 4.. and debian detected all of them |
| 09:34.19 | fokas | forget my question I tried on another machine and it seems to work |
| 09:34.56 | darkblue_B | hello- I've been making a virtual machine in VBox with a new debian 5,, but in moving from one host to another, I have triggered some behavior, the ethX interface increments, and now I see the loopback interface number incremeneted, to 127.0.1.1 I had been told you can fix the former by deleting /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules. but, how to fix this lo address? apache is apprently not working |
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| 09:36.07 | darkblue_B | so a basic eth0 dhcp interface, on next boot is eth1 |
| 09:36.20 | greenmang0 | vy: i experience very strange issue with CentOS on same server regarding ethernet.... 2 of the NICs were swapping HW addresses for every reboot |
| 09:36.25 | darkblue_B | reasing the rules.d file sets it back to eth0 |
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| 09:38.45 | greenmang0 | `GMF`: check if your cron daemon is running |
| 09:39.36 | `GMF` | greenmang0, hi, thanks for your answer. |
| 09:40.04 | `GMF` | greenmang0, this is what I see in the syslog after /etc/init.d/cron restart |
| 09:40.13 | `GMF` | /usr/sbin/cron[22095]: (CRON) INFO (Skipping @reboot jobs -- not system startup) |
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| 09:40.58 | `GMF` | root 22095 0.0 0.0 3456 992 ? Ss 10:39 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 09:41.12 | `GMF` | cron is running but seems like it's not executing /etc/crontab |
| 09:42.19 | greenmang0 | `GMF`: ls -1 /etc/rc2.d/ | grep cron |
| 09:42.28 | greenmang0 | what is the o/p? |
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| 09:43.34 | `GMF` | I see S89anacron and S89cron |
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| 09:44.20 | `GMF` | the daemon is running... |
| 09:45.15 | `GMF` | what about his in the syslog ? |
| 09:45.16 | `GMF` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:47.31 | mintux | i would like have both ubuntu and debian together so i installed ubuntu and has own grub after that i install debian and debian grub show when system come up . i put ubuntu live and fix grub oh hd0,0 ( while debian installed on hd0,3 ) and i got Running "install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,0) /boot/grub/stage2 p /boot/grub/menu.lst "... succeeded but when i restart i see debian boot grub again not ubuntu boot grub what's wrong ? ( im in ubuntu live now ) |
| 09:48.54 | greenmang0 | `GMF`: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=810848 |
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| 09:50.03 | spiekey | Hello! |
| 09:50.06 | spiekey | when i try to build mysql from source i get: /bin/rm: cannot remove `libtoolT': No such file or directory |
| 09:50.18 | spiekey | i am on debian 5.0.3 and i have libtools installed |
| 09:50.21 | spiekey | any idea? |
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| 09:51.30 | mesaGL | spiekey: i've got an idea : install mysql from the repos |
| 09:51.33 | greenmang0 | spiekey: are you sure there's "T" in "libtoolT" ? |
| 09:51.45 | spiekey | i am trying to install mysql from source |
| 09:51.49 | greenmang0 | mesaGL: :) |
| 09:51.50 | mesaGL | why ? |
| 09:52.26 | spiekey | mesaGL: because i have all my other stuff installed from source, too and i would run into a dependecy hell if i would install it from repo |
| 09:52.49 | mesaGL | spiekey: this is debian we are talking about ? |
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| 09:52.57 | spiekey | yes |
| 09:53.03 | spiekey | 5.0.3 |
| 09:53.25 | mesaGL | at the risk of getting kicked or banned for saying this : fuck off you stupid bastard |
| 09:53.53 | spiekey | anyone else ? |
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| 09:54.07 | greenmang0 | spiekey: me..... i told you to check spelling |
| 09:54.47 | spiekey | greenmang0: ok |
| 09:55.29 | darkblue_B | ref #gentoo |
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| 09:57.54 | harpal | how to know current resolution ? |
| 09:58.10 | spiekey | greenmang0: well, they even talk about libtoolT in the readme :) |
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| 10:01.01 | greenmang0 | spiekey: hmm... :) |
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| 10:01.35 | spiekey | i will try the mysql 5.4 beta :) |
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| 10:02.27 | `GMF` | greenmang0, I rebooted the system |
| 10:02.43 | `GMF` | greenmang0, I see (CRON) INFO (Running @reboot jobs) in the syslog |
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| 10:04.08 | flower | someone installed 64studio next to debian and he says that the install has overwriten debian which is on another drive. fdisk -l show this: http://pastebin.com/m5b5c0670 |
| 10:04.13 | spiekey | argh...still the same |
| 10:04.26 | greenmang0 | `GMF`: no need to reboot system |
| 10:04.37 | flower | The two drives looks exactly the same... it that possible or is it overwritten? |
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| 10:06.01 | Debian-user | Hello, how would i set a program to run with a specific program in /usr/bin, if i right click and open-with , i can't see the applicaion i want to run with , |
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| 10:06.29 | Debian-user | How would i set it permanently to run with that application ? debian lenny kde 3.5 |
| 10:06.32 | Debian-user | ? |
| 10:06.43 | asmodeus1 | !cut Bush |
| 10:06.44 | dpkg | cuts Bush in half with a rabid chainsaw! |
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| 10:08.06 | Debian-user | If i right click , that application will be displayed as open with , how would i set this ? |
| 10:08.09 | Debian-user | ? |
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| 10:08.25 | greenmang0 | Debian-user: right click on a file and go to properties... |
| 10:08.54 | themill | Debian-user: you just type the command /usr/bin/frobinator in the "open with" dialogue box and then tick "Remember application association" |
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| 10:09.35 | Debian-user | themill: Can't find any option like "remember application" ,that's why i'm here |
| 10:09.38 | Debian-user | kde 3.5 |
| 10:09.39 | greenmang0 | `GMF`: * * * * * touch /tmp/test.file |
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| 10:09.44 | greenmang0 | `GMF`: did you try this? |
| 10:09.47 | greenmang0 | is it working? |
| 10:09.57 | Debian-user | greenmang0: properties,then ? |
| 10:10.03 | asmodeus1 | !eat BillGates |
| 10:10.03 | dpkg | eats BillGates, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 10:10.11 | Debian-user | greenmang0: No option from properties |
| 10:10.14 | themill | asmodeus1: do you have a debian question we can help you with? |
| 10:10.18 | greenmang0 | Debian-user: then explore there.. we are not here to spoon-feed you |
| 10:10.29 | themill | Debian-user: kde 3.5 in lenny? Right click -> open with -> other |
| 10:10.49 | Debian-user | greenmang0: Oh, yea, got this |
| 10:10.51 | asmodeus1 | !kill asmodeus1 |
| 10:10.51 | dpkg | tears a hole in asmodeus1's head with a Knoppix CD |
| 10:11.00 | asmodeus1 | !kill the-dude |
| 10:11.00 | dpkg | tears a hole in the-dude's head with a whip |
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| 10:11.20 | Debian-user | themill: That is not permanent solution, greenmang0's solution is permanent |
| 10:11.47 | themill | Debian-user: there is a "remember association" box in that dialogue that makes it permanent. |
| 10:12.39 | Debian-user | themill: Sorry, there is no option for "remember" ,it's kde 3.5 older |
| 10:12.45 | `GMF` | greenmang0, I have a test.sh in the crontab |
| 10:12.55 | flower | ? |
| 10:12.58 | `GMF` | greenmang0, should run every minute but nothing |
| 10:12.59 | themill | Debian-user: I have KDE 3.5 from lenny right in front of me at the moment and it has this option. |
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| 10:13.30 | greenmang0 | themill: +1 |
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| 10:14.28 | greenmang0 | `GMF`: what does "crontab -l" say? |
| 10:14.35 | Debian-user | themill: Probably you have updated it to the latest kde 3.5.10, i haven't and don't update kde |
| 10:14.52 | themill | Debian-user: so are you using lenny or not? |
| 10:15.03 | `GMF` | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.03 | `GMF` | # m h dom mon dow command |
| 10:15.03 | Debian-user | themill: lenny |
| 10:15.19 | themill | Debian-user: well, KDE3.5 in lenny has this option. |
| 10:15.25 | Debian-user | themill: |
| 10:15.26 | `GMF` | greenmang0, I loaded the test.sh in the crontab -e and it work |
| 10:15.31 | Debian-user | themill: 5.0.2 |
| 10:15.39 | greenmang0 | `GMF`: so? what's the problem now? |
| 10:15.49 | Debian-user | themill: Linux debian-desktop 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Aug 14 01:27:18 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 10:15.50 | `GMF` | greenmang0, but /etc/crontab is not being loaded |
| 10:16.12 | themill | Debian-user: the kernel version isn't exactly important here. http://picpaste.com/openwith.png |
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| 10:16.43 | `GMF` | greenmang0, seems like crontab is being ignored by cron |
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| 10:18.34 | themill | Debian-user: I suggest you try asking in #kde to see if they can work out what you're doing wrong. Alternatively, just create the association properties, adding a new application to the file type. |
| 10:20.46 | hoo-hah | hi guys, any idea if a package besides iceweasel is responsible for rendering a double left quote (french) as a cedilla? |
| 10:20.52 | flower | someone installed 64studio next to debian and he says that the install has overwriten debian which is on another drive. fdisk -l show this: http://pastebin.com/m5b5c0670 |
| 10:20.55 | flower | The two drives looks exactly the same... it that possible or is it overwritten? |
| 10:21.03 | hoo-hah | fonts used are serif, sans, and mono in preferences |
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| 10:21.29 | `GMF` | greenmang0, now is working /etc/crontab too :| |
| 10:22.03 | hoo-hah | flower: boot loader config? |
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| 10:22.29 | flower | hoo-hah: ? |
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| 10:23.24 | hoo-hah | flower: how did you friend come to the conclusion that it was overwritten? |
| 10:23.42 | hoo-hah | does his bootloader not define the debian install? |
| 10:23.52 | flower | hoo-hah: he is a newbie... I think he can't boot it |
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| 10:24.09 | flower | hoo-hah: you mean grub? |
| 10:24.15 | hoo-hah | yeah, or lilo |
| 10:24.21 | greenmang0 | `GMF`: what do you mean? |
| 10:24.21 | greenmang0 | `GMF`: (CRON) INFO (Skipping @reboot jobs -- not system startup) |
| 10:24.26 | greenmang0 | this has nothing to do with your problem |
| 10:24.28 | greenmang0 | whenever you restart cron it logs this info to syslog |
| 10:24.36 | hoo-hah | he may have installed grub (from 64studio) on mbr of first disk |
| 10:24.42 | `GMF` | ok |
| 10:24.47 | hoo-hah | essentially removing the link to the boot partition of debian |
| 10:24.53 | `GMF` | greenmang0, I don't know, seems like i did NOTHING :| |
| 10:24.56 | flower | that might be it |
| 10:25.20 | flower | hoo-hah: but having exact partitioning on both drives is not suspicious? |
| 10:25.28 | hoo-hah | flower: though, 64studio (if debian-based) might automatically populate menu.lst for all distros found |
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| 10:25.58 | flower | hoo-hah: 64studio is ubuntu based with a debian installer |
| 10:26.00 | hoo-hah | flower: not if he intended that |
| 10:26.27 | hoo-hah | flower: btw, you should've offered your assistance with the install ;) |
| 10:26.36 | flower | hoo-hah: ok diagnoses is a grub problem |
| 10:26.42 | hoo-hah | if you were the one to introduce him to linux, you might also be the one to blame for missing data files |
| 10:26.43 | flower | hoo-hah: I do, but from distance |
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| 10:26.59 | flower | hoo-hah: not so negative |
| 10:27.08 | hoo-hah | je |
| 10:27.38 | hoo-hah | It's possible that debian installer used both times created the same layout |
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| 10:27.52 | hoo-hah | I haven't used the installer in long time, so who knows how it's evolved |
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| 10:29.32 | hoo-hah | flower: has he tried mounting other partitions while in 64studio (via gnome)? |
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| 10:30.01 | spiekey | greenmang0: installing libtool 2.2 from source seems to fix it |
| 10:30.12 | flower | hoo-hah: no |
| 10:30.18 | flower | hoo-hah: that might be an idea thanks |
| 10:30.50 | hoo-hah | it might be the easier ways to check for data, if he has to do it himself |
| 10:30.56 | greenmang0 | spiekey: cool :) |
| 10:31.12 | flower | hoo-hah: how can you list the available dev to mount? |
| 10:31.28 | flower | fdisk -l |
| 10:31.30 | flower | ok |
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| 10:33.03 | hoo-hah | flower: in gnome, *not sure about this* internal/external partitions that are mountable should be listed in nautilus |
| 10:33.47 | Debian-user | themill: Hello, |
| 10:33.55 | Debian-user | themill: Hi,, |
| 10:34.17 | Debian-user | themill: http://img337.imageshack.us/i/snapshot2e.png/ |
| 10:34.37 | Debian-user | themill: What's the version for konqueror ? |
| 10:34.57 | themill | Debian-user: the one in lenny -- 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 |
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| 10:35.52 | greenmang0 | Debian-user: what does your "about kde" say? |
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| 10:36.54 | Debian-user | ii kdebase 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 base components from the official KDE release |
| 10:37.05 | Debian-user | themill: ^ |
| 10:37.09 | themill | Debian-user: does this file have a filetype or an extension? If it doesn't you can't make an association. |
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| 10:37.20 | themill | (mime-type) |
| 10:37.27 | Debian-user | themill: ii konqueror 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 KDE's advanced file manager, web browser and document v |
| 10:37.40 | Debian-user | themill: Where is the difference ? |
| 10:37.55 | themill | Debian-user: what's the filename that you're trying to open? |
| 10:38.46 | Debian-user | themill: .jnlp file |
| 10:38.54 | jelly | java webstart |
| 10:38.58 | Debian-user | themill: Probably the filetype is the issue |
| 10:39.30 | jelly | Debian-user: do you have a javaws executable in the path? |
| 10:39.34 | greenmang0 | Debian-user: create a file called foo.foo... and right click -> open - with.. and check if it shows the option |
| 10:39.37 | Debian-user | jelly: Yes, javaws |
| 10:39.51 | Debian-user | jelly: Which path ? |
| 10:39.58 | Debian-user | jelly: Do you mean /bin ? |
| 10:40.06 | Debian-user | jelly: /usr/bin ? |
| 10:40.06 | jelly | Debian-user: I mean $PATH |
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| 10:40.26 | jelly | Debian-user: run "whch javaws" ... is there some output? |
| 10:40.30 | Debian-user | jelly: Actually where is the jre.bin file placed ? |
| 10:40.41 | jelly | "which javaws", that is |
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| 10:40.53 | Debian-user | jelly: That was openjdk /usr/bin/javaws |
| 10:41.18 | jelly | Debian-user: all right. And does it work if you use that to open .jnlp files? |
| 10:42.44 | Debian-user | jelly: If i manually install jre, |
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| 10:45.15 | Debian-user | jelly: Where would i run ./sunjre.bin ? |
| 10:45.50 | jelly | Debian-user: whereever you like? |
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| 10:46.17 | jelly | Debian-user: /opt or /usr/local, or whatever |
| 10:46.25 | jmarsden | Debian-user: In the directory you downloaded the file sunjre.bin |
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| 10:47.18 | jmarsden | Debian-user: It will not run anywhere else, because ./foo means run the file foo in the current directory. |
| 10:48.23 | themill | Debian-user: why wouldn't you use the debian packages for sun java? |
| 10:49.47 | iceroot_ | i am searching for something like apt-file, so find the package-name which contains the file foo. but here is no apt-file and i cant install, so i am searching for another way |
| 10:49.54 | Debian-user | themill: caz can't find the sun java javaws from debian packages , i installed though |
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| 10:50.23 | jelly | !tell iceroot_ -about pdo |
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| 10:50.56 | iceroot_ | jelly: not good, its not a debian-package, its a self-build one |
| 10:51.10 | jelly | iceroot_: is it installed? |
| 10:51.15 | iceroot_ | jelly: yes |
| 10:51.25 | jelly | dpkg -L packagename, iceroot_ |
| 10:51.25 | dpkg | No packages found matching packagename, iceroot_ |
| 10:51.32 | jelly | dpkg: shut up |
| 10:51.32 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 10:51.57 | jelly | iceroot_: and dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 10:52.13 | iceroot_ | jelly: -S sounds good, -L is not what i want |
| 10:52.20 | jelly | !tell iceroot_ about search |
| 10:53.19 | iceroot_ | jelly: yes it was dpkg -S /usr/bin/lpr :-) thank you |
| 10:53.33 | jelly | selfbuilt lpr? *shudder* |
| 10:53.38 | iceroot_ | jelly: yes |
| 10:53.47 | Debian-user | jelly: dpkg -l | grep java , http://pastebin.com/mae6ee8 |
| 10:54.09 | BiG_NoBoDy | Debian-user: agree :) |
| 10:54.10 | jelly | !wayttd Debian-user |
| 10:54.10 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Debian-user? |
| 10:54.11 | Debian-user | jelly: How would i know the path of javaws of debian sun-je |
| 10:54.19 | Debian-user | jre |
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| 10:54.58 | Debian-user | jelly: Where is the debian-sun-jre-javaws |
| 10:54.58 | Debian-user | ? |
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| 10:55.45 | jelly | that's not the answer to my question |
| 10:56.35 | jelly | I'd like to see the whole picture before proceeding to spend further time with you, Debian-user. |
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| 10:56.42 | Debian-user | jelly: From /etc/alternatives/ , http://pastebin.com/m4ccfeb5e |
| 10:56.58 | Debian-user | jelly: It's openjdk, javaws, where is sun-java-javaws |
| 10:56.59 | Debian-user | ? |
| 10:57.12 | themill | !update-java-alternatives |
| 10:57.12 | dpkg | Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun". |
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| 11:02.33 | Debian-user | themill: Yes,worked, thank you. |
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| 11:03.22 | jelly | just removes openjdk and gcj crap if it gets installed |
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| 11:06.21 | reisi | does anyone know how to UPDATE integrit database? after dist-upgrade i've done sudo integrit -C /etc/integrit/integrit.conf -u twice, still each mail sent my integrit contains all the modifications during dist-upgrade |
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| 11:11.09 | Debian-user | Bye, |
| 11:11.14 | reisi | aah, of course it has to be done manulaly |
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| 11:21.01 | omg_onoez | hi, i wish to change the order of loading for few modules, can i do it via blacklisting them in /etc/modprobe.d/local and adding them in desired order to /etc/modules ? |
| 11:21.46 | omg_onoez | or is there another proper way to do it? thanks and sorry for my english |
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| 11:23.00 | binrapt | How do you get information about a package in apt-cache? |
| 11:23.18 | petemc | apt-cache show foo |
| 11:23.19 | reisi | binrapt: show |
| 11:23.26 | omg_onoez | show |
| 11:23.44 | binrapt | Ah thanks |
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| 11:25.52 | PupenoG | Any recommended registrars that accept punycode? |
| 11:26.29 | themill | suspects that this isn't really debian related |
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| 11:27.40 | vagothcpp | Hey, jus making a USB Net install, jus a few questions, does it have fdisk/cfdisk on the netinst iso? |
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| 11:30.43 | binrapt | How can I find out which package contains a missing library header I require? |
| 11:30.57 | themill | binrapt: apt-file is your friend. /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 11:31.39 | binrapt | Thanks |
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| 11:32.45 | binrapt | Awesome. |
| 11:32.53 | matt7676 | am I correct that "virtual server host" is a physical machine, which hosts virtual servers? |
| 11:33.06 | binrapt | Man, Windows so lacks a system as powerful as this. |
| 11:33.32 | vagothcpp | The other thing i had to ask, on the debian manual, it says "copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it", does it mean jus the iso file, or the contents of the iso file. I know stupid question, but need to be sure |
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| 11:33.48 | Phil4 | just the ISO |
| 11:34.03 | Phil4 | use the netinst |
| 11:34.12 | Phil4 | I had muchos issues with business card |
| 11:34.15 | piscue | Hi |
| 11:34.20 | piscue | anoyne knows simple app (best for unix) to test the stability of bandwidth point to point? |
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| 11:34.39 | Phil4 | define 'stability of bandwidth', piscue? |
| 11:34.42 | vagothcpp | Phil4, Yeh, i am doing a netinst, does netinst have fdisk or cfdisk? |
| 11:34.59 | Phil4 | no clue |
| 11:35.16 | piscue | I want to test new DSL on my office, for proposal to voip service |
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| 11:35.44 | sohum | how do I get the adobe air installer to pick up the files from /emul/ia32-linux/lib instead of /lib? |
| 11:35.48 | Phil4 | so you want to flood UDP packets point to point and see what is recieved and in what order? |
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| 11:36.08 | piscue | mmm |
| 11:36.09 | vagothcpp | Phil4, UDP is not guanteed to be in order |
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| 11:36.16 | piscue | maybe simple |
| 11:36.27 | Phil4 | vagothcpp, I know this - hence I said 'in what order' |
| 11:36.35 | omg_onoez | piscue, bing? |
| 11:36.36 | Phil4 | for that is what counts with VOIP |
| 11:36.40 | vagothcpp | Phil4, I love UDP for programming myself |
| 11:36.47 | piscue | test guaranteed bandwidth point to point |
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| 11:37.07 | piscue | bing? |
| 11:37.11 | piscue | what is bing? |
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| 11:37.23 | Phil4 | I bing! You bing? |
| 11:37.26 | omg_onoez | piscue, try show |
| 11:37.28 | vagothcpp | bing is horrible |
| 11:37.30 | piscue | ok |
| 11:37.34 | omg_onoez | apt-cache show bing |
| 11:37.40 | omg_onoez | vagothcpp, why? |
| 11:38.04 | vagothcpp | omg_onoez, sorry, thinking of ms's bing |
| 11:38.05 | piscue | omg_onoez, gathered |
| 11:38.23 | piscue | Have you used it? |
| 11:38.39 | SPF | when you do use ldapsearch, you always specify the basedn. How can I get a list of available basedn's? |
| 11:38.41 | vagothcpp | omg_onoez, which theres is a horrible search engine, lol |
| 11:38.45 | omg_onoez | a friend of myne used it |
| 11:38.46 | chunky | bing works great for point to point bandwidth test |
| 11:38.52 | omg_onoez | vagothcpp, :DDD |
| 11:38.58 | piscue | I'll try |
| 11:39.02 | piscue | thanks all |
| 11:39.07 | vagothcpp | omg_onoez, Nothing will beat lmgtfy xD |
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| 11:41.13 | vagothcpp | Phil4, Are you sure i jus copy the .iso file? |
| 11:41.40 | omg_onoez | hi, i wish to change the order of loading for few modules, can i do it via blacklisting them in /etc/modprobe.d/local and adding them in desired order to /etc/modules ? or is there another proper way to do it? thanks and sorry for my english |
| 11:42.02 | Phil4 | yeh, vagothcpp |
| 11:42.21 | Phil4 | once it boots, it scans all drives for an installer ISO and mounts it |
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| 11:42.34 | vagothcpp | as its normal name? debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso |
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| 11:43.28 | vagothcpp | Also, what would be an easy window manager to configure and customize? and ofc lets me choose my own file manager |
| 11:43.40 | vagothcpp | (easy to run as I ease into linux more |
| 11:43.43 | vagothcpp | ) |
| 11:44.14 | pom | I'm want to split i website onto two servers. On to hold dynamic content and one for the static. But the PHP-code on the dynamic server will need to be able to read/write to and from the static server. What is the preferred way to write/read files from another host in an environment like this? |
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| 11:48.42 | vagothcpp | i am thinking open box |
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| 12:09.44 | rvsjoen | try asking the real question |
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| 12:25.26 | slope | Debian Squeeze AMD64. I'm trying to setup another gmail account in Evolution 2.26.3 using IMAP, I made sure it's been enabled in my gmail settings and I followed instructions from some web site. I also made sure the settings are the same as my first account so it *should* work, but this is what I get: 'Error while Scanning folders in "IMAP server imap.google.com'". I never got a question about my password so that's likely the problem :) But |
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| 12:28.58 | vagoth | ey. I'm at netinst and it gives me two options for kernel: Linux-image-2.6-amd64 or Linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64, what ate the differences |
| 12:29.06 | vagoth | are* |
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| 12:31.54 | vagoth | what should I choose? |
| 12:31.56 | oggei | vagoth: first one is a metapackage depending on latest kernel 2.6 for amd64, second one is a specific version |
| 12:32.24 | vagoth | so first one? |
| 12:32.40 | oggei | choosing the former will have as result a system with Linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64 installed, but also ready to upgrade when newer version will be available |
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| 12:33.23 | vagoth | I choose specific |
| 12:34.21 | vagoth | anyway, is there a slow down if I choose generic for initrd? or is it best to set targeted |
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| 12:34.38 | oggei | there is no generic |
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| 12:34.59 | oggei | there is dependency concepts, pretty typical on package based distros |
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| 12:35.36 | vagoth | under expert install and configuring udev |
| 12:35.50 | vagoth | for drivers |
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| 12:40.25 | karihre | hi, does mdadm or software raid have a seperate channel, or should I just ask here? (no one on #mdadm) |
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| 12:52.51 | datacrusher | hi everyone! im on lenny and trying to burn a dual layer dvd with gnomebaker, but iv lost 2 dvds already... is there a better app to burn an .iso image? |
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| 12:58.38 | gionnico | hello! |
| 12:58.44 | gionnico | best and light torrent client ? |
| 12:58.49 | gionnico | I liked deluge (much like uTorrent), but it doesnt support magnet links |
| 12:59.17 | karihre | rtorrent? |
| 12:59.34 | superjet_busy | gionnico: aria2 |
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| 13:09.53 | jelly | judd: versions aria2 |
| 13:09.54 | judd | jelly: aria2 -- etch: 0.9.0-1 lenny: 0.14.0-1 sid: 1.6.2-3 squeeze: 1.6.2-3 |
| 13:10.16 | omg_onoez | Ш wish to change the order of loading for few modules, can i do it via blacklisting them in /etc/modprobe.d/local and adding them in desired order to /etc/modules ? or is there another proper way to do it? thanks and sorry for my english |
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| 13:14.58 | ovnicraft | hi folks i get a daemon in /etc/init.d/ and the symlink in /etc/rc2.d/Sxxx but when but it does not run, why could be this? |
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| 13:17.11 | jelly | ovnicraft: which package and version is the init script from? |
| 13:17.16 | omg_onoez | ovnicraft, update-rc? =) |
| 13:17.21 | raz0 | gionnico, if you'er on KDE, ktorrent |
| 13:17.48 | gionnico | raz0: i'm on gnome with celeron 630mhz |
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| 13:18.01 | ovnicraft | in rc2.d SXXdaemon, XX must be an specific number? |
| 13:18.04 | raz0 | then, never mind :) |
| 13:18.13 | ovnicraft | jelly, i wrote the script |
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| 13:18.42 | jelly | ovnicraft: XX must be decimal digits |
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| 13:19.10 | ovnicraft | omg_onoez, update-rc links my script to rc2.d i did with |
| 13:19.27 | ovnicraft | or can i remove the symlink and link it manually? |
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| 13:20.08 | jelly | ovnicraft: you can do it both ways, it doesn't really matter (if you know what you're doing) |
| 13:20.26 | ovnicraft | there is any 'magic' to put an script and it run when is booting? |
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| 13:20.35 | karihre | my raid5 array won't rebuild because of a bad sector on one of the disks (it stops at 55%), I realise that this sector is lost, but is there a way to tell mdadm to "assume" just zero (or something) for ba sectors so it continues the rebuild |
| 13:20.50 | jelly | ovnicraft: which debian release are you using? |
| 13:20.53 | omg_onoez | well, i'm not sure, but the man on rc covers all of your questions i guess.. and my english is too poor to express my thoughts fast lol |
| 13:21.17 | ovnicraft | jelly, 4.0 stable |
| 13:21.32 | jelly | ok, (4.0 is oldstable now) |
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| 13:22.58 | ovnicraft | jelly, if is old stable now that means that daemons doesnt works now, i dont think so |
| 13:23.05 | jelly | ovnicraft: is the script supposed to do any output when run (Starting foo), do you see that output when booting? Do you see output from the scripts run before and after that? Is /etc/init.d/foo executable? |
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| 13:23.36 | slope | gionnico: I'd recommend rtorrent. http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ |
| 13:23.46 | jelly | ovnicraft: ... does it work at all whne you run it as root? :-) |
| 13:24.05 | ovnicraft | jelly, so if i run it works ok and i see the output but when booting dont |
| 13:24.29 | kjs | http://lh6.ggpht.com/_NirUcVREM8k/SwPNpSUJ2AI/AAAAAAAAAgo/3eZiO8j2pEg/s912/font-issue.png anyone got any ideas? |
| 13:24.43 | gionnico | slope: i'm using rb_libtorrent now (used by deluge) |
| 13:24.47 | kjs | thats a google url btw |
| 13:24.52 | gionnico | it should be aimed to reduce cpu and memory consumption |
| 13:24.57 | jelly | ovnicraft: put some echo lines in it before and after starting your service, see whether it runs and fails, or the script doesn't get run at all. |
| 13:25.39 | jelly | ovnicraft: also, place it near the end of runlevel 2, S99foo ro whatnot |
| 13:25.39 | jelly | or* |
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| 13:25.41 | ovnicraft | jelly, the script is a copy from another just change the var DAEMON nothing more |
| 13:26.08 | gionnico | and looks like i do i can use deluge with magnet links, just need some workaround (not straight copy-paste) |
| 13:26.17 | ovnicraft | 99 in smylink means something? |
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| 13:26.45 | jelly | !bootlogd |
| 13:26.46 | dpkg | i heard bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
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| 13:27.13 | omg_onoez | How can i change modules loading order on boot for a few of them? |
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| 13:30.22 | iceroot_ | i am using divert to add a new conffile, working fine but everytime i am installing the package dpkg is asking if i want to overwrtie the existing conf-file. is it possible to automaticly overwritting the conffile? |
| 13:30.45 | jelly | ovnicraft: numbers determine the order in which the scripts are run, zless /usr/share/doc/sysv-rc/README.runlevels.gz |
| 13:30.52 | jelly | ovnicraft: /msg dpkg sysvinit |
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| 13:33.03 | vagothcpp | Hey, what is the apt-get for firefox? |
| 13:33.12 | petemc | iceweasel |
| 13:33.14 | omg_onoez | iceweasel |
| 13:33.39 | vagothcpp | ? |
| 13:33.50 | JPT | firefox is iceweasel on debian |
| 13:33.50 | petemc | aptitude install iceweasel |
| 13:33.53 | JPT | licence issues... |
| 13:34.01 | JPT | +s |
| 13:34.22 | Titan8990 | !iceweasel |
| 13:34.22 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
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| 13:35.26 | ovnicraft | jelly, i check everything and the daemon not run, so where i can put my script and the system run it? |
| 13:35.27 | vagothcpp | <why iceweasel> |
| 13:35.34 | vagothcpp | !why iceweasel |
| 13:35.34 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 13:36.01 | vagothcpp | well. thats jus dumb |
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| 13:36.12 | themill | vagothcpp: feel free to tell them that. |
| 13:36.43 | vagothcpp | themill, I shall place my complaint immediatly after i setup OpenBox xD |
| 13:36.54 | jelly | ovnicraft: You already know where to put it. pastebin ls -l /etc/init.d/yourscript /etc/rc?.d/???yourscript and the contents of the script. |
| 13:37.19 | ovnicraft | !pastebin |
| 13:37.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 13:38.31 | ovnicraft | jelly, http://pastebin.com/d189b7e57 |
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| 13:38.50 | ovnicraft | it is the /etc/init.d/start-tinyerp |
| 13:39.15 | ovnicraft | an get a symlink in /etc/rc2.d/S82start-tinyerp |
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| 13:40.10 | vagothcpp | Technically I can use firefox, if I compile it from the sources on mozilla.com right? |
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| 13:40.42 | jelly | ovnicraft: where's the ls? |
| 13:41.01 | vagothcpp | Also, what file manager would you recommend to be lightweight, can be run as root? |
| 13:41.06 | themill | vagothcpp: that's right, you're just not allowed to make any modifications and then give it to someone else with the "firefox" logo and name on it. |
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| 13:41.12 | Titan8990 | vagothcpp, mc |
| 13:41.18 | ovnicraft | jelly, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 711 2009-11-16 15:36 start-tinyerp |
| 13:41.20 | vagothcpp | Titan8990, mc? |
| 13:41.35 | Titan8990 | !mc |
| 13:41.35 | dpkg | somebody said mc was Midnight Commander an orthodox file manager for Unix-like systems (also works in Windows) and a clone of Norton Commander. Midnight Commander is a text mode application. The main interface consists of two panels which display the file system. see: http://www.ibiblio.org/mc/FAQ |
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| 13:41.57 | jelly | ovnicraft: srsly dude, just give the exact output of what was asked for, to exclude stupid errors |
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| 13:42.21 | vagothcpp | mc is cmdline? |
| 13:42.29 | themill | vagothcpp: tias |
| 13:42.40 | jelly | ovnicraft: do you see the "Starting dynamic address update: " in the boot sequence? |
| 13:42.43 | vagothcpp | then, not that lightwieght |
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| 13:43.28 | jelly | ovnicraft: also you mgiht want to change that message to something more like Starting tinyerp |
| 13:43.38 | ovnicraft | that uotput is from my script in init.d/ |
| 13:43.55 | Titan8990 | vagothcpp, how do you make that connection? |
| 13:44.07 | vagothcpp | Titan8990, I prefer it to be windowed |
| 13:44.28 | themill | vagothcpp: mc has two windows.... |
| 13:44.43 | Titan8990 | vagothcpp, thats fine, but that does not make the application not light-weight |
| 13:44.46 | vagothcpp | themill, that is run in terminal... |
| 13:45.00 | ovnicraft | jelly, i think so whatever i put in the message is not required i just want to see run it when ps aux | grep tiny |
| 13:45.12 | themill | vagothcpp: you can even use the mouse with it if you want. Try it out, it's not as horrid as you might think. |
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| 13:45.29 | vagothcpp | themill, its horrid |
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| 13:45.56 | ovnicraft | and it is not happening, debian has an official doc about how ti write daemons for system? |
| 13:46.03 | jelly | ovnicraft: I'm asking you, for the second time, to put in a unique message in there, and to watch the booting process to see if the script is getting started at all, or not. |
| 13:46.05 | ovnicraft | s/ti/to |
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| 13:46.37 | ovnicraft | jelly, i dont see the message and whatever i put in echo |
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| 13:46.48 | bartounet | hello |
| 13:46.52 | macrobat | vagothcpp: filemanagers: tuxcmd, worker, pcmanfm and something called like "emelfm2" |
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| 13:47.04 | bartounet | how can i add a specific module in initrd?? |
| 13:47.09 | jelly | ovnicraft: so the script isn't started at all. That implies a problem with the script, or a problem with the symlink |
| 13:47.25 | vagothcpp | I jus installed Thunar, seems functional anyway |
| 13:47.41 | ovnicraft | so did you see my script, there is an error? |
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| 13:47.50 | macrobat | thunar, lots of hidden goodies |
| 13:48.04 | Titan8990 | ovnicraft, you can use update-rc.d so you don't have to manually create the symlinks |
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| 14:12.07 | iceroot_ | i am using an own *deb which is overwriting a conffile. dpkg is asking if i want to overwrite it(default:N) is there a way in my package to use Default:Y? so it can be installed in non-interactive-mode |
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| 14:16.08 | iceroot_ | or maybe there is something like "force" for dpkg-divert, but cant find anything in the manpage |
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| 14:26.18 | oggei | hi |
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| 14:41.56 | omg_onoez | Сan't find a sertain way to change the order of loading modules on boot... any tips? ) |
| 14:43.15 | omg_onoez | may be i should include those few modules, that i want to loat in desired order, to /etc/initramfstools.d/modules ? |
| 14:43.15 | simonrvn | /etc/modules ; "certain" |
| 14:43.37 | omg_onoez | sorry for my english |
| 14:44.05 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:44.12 | simonrvn | iow yes |
| 14:44.23 | simonrvn | (you just had the path wrong :) |
| 14:44.41 | djveer | man, debian package managers are great. |
| 14:44.42 | omg_onoez | simonrvn, oh, yep, so u think it is a good idea? |
| 14:44.52 | simonrvn | omg_onoez: s'ok, english is silly that way |
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| 14:45.24 | omg_onoez | simonrvn, thx =) |
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| 14:45.37 | simonrvn | omg_onoez: it would certainly help, but i don't know if it behaves exactly like module-init-tools |
| 14:45.52 | simonrvn | or modutils (whatever) |
| 14:46.09 | hoo-hah | omg_onoez: just avoid writing documents for important correspondence |
| 14:47.20 | omg_onoez | hoo-hah, i promise )) |
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| 15:02.30 | lunartear | I'm building bind9 from source on lenny and am getting some warnings about uselessly linking libraries. http://pastebin.com/m4bf58a22 Anyone have any idea why this is occuring? |
| 15:03.10 | EagleRock | those seem fine to me |
| 15:03.39 | themill | lunartear: any particular reason you're building from source? |
| 15:03.57 | lunartear | themill to add a mysql database backend |
| 15:04.35 | themill | ahh... yet another one... |
| 15:04.41 | lunartear | eh? |
| 15:04.45 | EagleRock | sounds like those warnings only indicate those libraries didn't need to be loaded...but it can't really hurt to have them loaded, except maybe a larger footprint |
| 15:04.58 | EagleRock | is it not executing? |
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| 15:05.19 | abrotman | is it just me or is adding mysql to bind .. kind of overkill ? |
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| 15:06.18 | lunartear | abrotman it makes maintenance on tons of zones much easier |
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| 15:06.35 | abrotman | than vi ? |
| 15:06.48 | lunartear | EagleRock: I havent "installed" it yet. I was wondering about the warnings |
| 15:06.52 | abrotman | so you can write a SQL query to update the zone .. or use vi ? |
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| 15:07.03 | lunartear | abrotman yes when you can replicate to all of your slave dns servers |
| 15:07.19 | EagleRock | lunartear: you should be okay. Those warnings only indicate that more libraries were linked than the compiler saw necessary...but that shouldn't affect your running the application |
| 15:07.40 | abrotman | lunartear: unless i'm missing something .. isn't that part of slave dns servers? you update the master and it flows to the slaves? |
| 15:08.05 | abrotman | lunartear: but i'd say those warnings are harmless |
| 15:08.36 | lunartear | abrotman, also the fact that there's a need for a UI to access the zones and whatnot |
| 15:08.47 | abrotman | there is? |
| 15:08.48 | lunartear | for non technical people |
| 15:08.58 | abrotman | should non-technical people be updating zone files? |
| 15:09.05 | lunartear | lmao |
| 15:09.07 | Titan8990 | was just thinking that |
| 15:09.19 | themill | judd info pdns-backend-mysql |
| 15:09.20 | judd | themill: pdns-backend-mysql (net): is extra; Version: 2.9.21.2-1; Size: 59.4k; Installed: 208k -- generic MySQL backend for PowerDNS |
| 15:09.21 | lunartear | if they want to pay to be able to do that then sure |
| 15:09.50 | abrotman | carry on! |
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| 15:10.11 | simonrvn | *facepalm* |
| 15:10.23 | lunartear | simonrvn? |
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| 15:11.28 | sanderj | My debian installation stops after 5%.. nothing happens.. have used the r4 iso image.. and burned it out on a cd |
| 15:11.50 | Titan8990 | sanderj, r4? |
| 15:12.01 | simonrvn | lunartear: no worries |
| 15:12.03 | abrotman | !tell sanderj about 5% error |
| 15:12.30 | Jygga | http://www.pastey.net/129155 does that pam configuration make any sense? found it that way when investigating failing sshd, crns etc pam_deny.so shouldnt be there right? |
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| 15:13.45 | lunartear | personally I felt using a database backend would be the best fit since it allows using an ORM to pragmatically access zones, and tie into a UI rather than hacking around on text files with scripts and reinventing the wheel. |
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| 15:14.03 | abrotman | lunartear: themill pointed out that pdns already has a mysql backend package in lenny |
| 15:14.13 | lunartear | I prefer bind |
| 15:14.16 | simonrvn | lunartear: i wouldn't use mysql for that, but that's me |
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| 15:14.25 | lunartear | simonrvn: what might you use |
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| 15:14.50 | simonrvn | pgsql or ldap |
| 15:14.53 | Yggdrasil | how can I tell the state of dpms on a box that im sshd into? |
| 15:15.50 | simonrvn | (with bind9) |
| 15:15.51 | jelly | simonrvn: with mysql as a backend for openldap! :-D |
| 15:15.58 | simonrvn | eew |
| 15:16.22 | jelly | or AnythingButBDB |
| 15:16.28 | lunartear | simonrvn: I've been looking at integrating ldap for centralization of auth and whatnot.. I didnt think about using it to store zone info |
| 15:16.56 | simonrvn | hdb backend... allows relative modrdn |
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| 15:17.12 | simonrvn | allows modrdn, period |
| 15:17.34 | themill | lunartear: simonrvn is obsessed with ldap. He's trying to work out if he can store himself in ldap too. |
| 15:17.38 | abrotman | Yggdrasil: maybe the Xorg.0.log |
| 15:17.46 | abrotman | simonrvn is a tree! |
| 15:17.51 | lunartear | lol |
| 15:18.05 | simonrvn | http://grotan.com/ldap/ or at http://simonraven.kisikew.org/src/ldap/ |
| 15:18.19 | Yggdrasil | abrotman: thanks. |
| 15:18.27 | simonrvn | lunartear: take a look-see; have schema of all sorts |
| 15:18.43 | jelly | have schema, will... federate? |
| 15:18.48 | simonrvn | themill: hehe |
| 15:19.06 | jelly | thought Yggdrasil was a tree, not simonrvn |
| 15:19.15 | lunartear | simonrvn: looking at dnszone.schema |
| 15:19.20 | simonrvn | thought so too |
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| 15:19.55 | simonrvn | lunartear: that'd be the one ;) |
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| 15:20.55 | lunartear | simonrvn: have you done anything with back-perl? |
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| 15:21.55 | simonrvn | no. ask in #ldap or #openldap about it |
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| 15:26.17 | tuntun | hi there, can you recommend a simple debian based little desktop? |
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| 15:26.37 | themill | tuntun: How about Debian? |
| 15:26.50 | tuntun | the net install? |
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| 15:28.11 | themill | !installer |
| 15:28.11 | dpkg | The Debian installer comes in many forms (CD1, netinst, business card, DVD), but the installer you use and the system you end up with is identical in each case. The only difference is when the packages are downloaded: if you grab the DVDs then you are downloading lots of packages that you might not need; if you download the netinst, then when you go to install packages using aptitude later on, they will be downloaded at that time. |
| 15:29.44 | tuntun | I mean I need a little desktop with gnome |
| 15:29.54 | tuntun | some like... (let me search for) |
| 15:30.00 | lunartear | buy a smaller monitor? |
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| 15:30.21 | lunartear | garden gnomes are sold at any hardware store |
| 15:30.27 | lunartear | lol sorry |
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| 15:32.34 | EagleRock | tuntun: I think you need to explain what you mean by "little". Meaning, small sized as in a netbook screen, or little as in an older computer that you need basic apps for? |
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| 15:33.38 | tuntun | like slax |
| 15:33.44 | tuntun | but I think it is not debian based |
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| 15:34.05 | EagleRock | slax is slackware based...but what is it about slax that you want in Debian? |
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| 15:34.13 | tuntun | yes |
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| 15:34.25 | tuntun | the same thing, debian based |
| 15:34.30 | themill | tuntun: do the base install and install what packages you need. There's no "big distro" or "little distro" needed. |
| 15:34.40 | EagleRock | do you mean you want a liveCD of debain? |
| 15:34.42 | EagleRock | debian* |
| 15:34.44 | tuntun | perhaps base install |
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| 15:34.49 | tuntun | it already come with gnome? |
| 15:34.53 | EagleRock | yes |
| 15:35.09 | themill | no |
| 15:35.11 | tuntun | no, I mean I need a debian based desktop that doesnt take much space |
| 15:35.26 | EagleRock | not really...just a few gigs iirc |
| 15:35.42 | tuntun | and dont want to download again and again, because I will install it more than 1 time |
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| 15:35.56 | tuntun | like the case for net install |
| 15:35.58 | tuntun | isnt? |
| 15:36.36 | themill | tuntun: for the base install everything is on the CD. If you want all or some of gnome, then you should either set up an apt proxy or use CD1 |
| 15:37.09 | tuntun | OK |
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| 15:40.34 | pflanze | How do I switch off the lcd backlight (when using acpi)? |
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| 15:41.06 | pflanze | (turn off even, if that's more correct english) |
| 15:41.47 | simonrvn | lunartear: it's not all that hard, in fact it's easier than using sql queries. write performance is lower than an rdbms, but reads are quicker. you could always hook in postgres as a backend too. |
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| 15:59.51 | xxtjaxx | Hi Ive got 'apt-get upgrade -y 1>/some/place/somefile.log' in my crontab on my server box and lately I get these logs http://pastebin.com/m345a2383 why is this? is upgrading in a cron discouraged maybe? |
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| 16:00.39 | Justin | xxtjaxx: you're doing it wrong |
| 16:01.37 | xxtjaxx | Justin: why i might ask? |
| 16:01.57 | Justin | apt-get upgrade is not made to be ran unattended like that |
| 16:02.07 | Justin | install apticron and have it notify you when updates are available |
| 16:02.09 | xxtjaxx | ok |
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| 16:02.53 | themill | xxtjaxx: you perhaps should look at cron-apt |
| 16:03.30 | themill | xxtjaxx: but in any case, you have a package that is insisting that it wants to talk to you during installation... you probably need to confirm something or configure something for it. |
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| 16:04.22 | xxtjaxx | themill: Justin ok thanks |
| 16:04.32 | hugo | hi everyone, I'm trying out debian for a xen dom0 and going through the documentation, I get the impression that it would be wiser to setup a md device with raid1 and then lvm (linear) ontop of that, instead of mirroring from lvm. Is this correct? |
| 16:05.31 | Justin | hugo: yes |
| 16:05.33 | radoe | hugo: yes |
| 16:05.59 | hugo | alright, thanks :) |
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| 16:06.45 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 16:13.50 | xuser | What CLI app is used to burn a .iso to a dvd? |
| 16:13.59 | docgnome | is there a command to change what things run on boot, a la rc-update? |
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| 16:14.29 | Titan8990 | xuser, cdrecord/wodim |
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| 16:14.53 | garo | Is there a debian developer willing to get the package at http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/libtolua++5.1-dev into sid ? (Debian only has tolua, not tolua++) |
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| 16:15.21 | abrotman | !wnpp |
| 16:15.21 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 16:15.31 | xuser | Titan8990: wodin is debian version of cdrecord right? |
| 16:15.36 | abrotman | docgnome: update-rc.d |
| 16:15.40 | abrotman | xuser: yes |
| 16:15.49 | Titan8990 | xuser, no, wodim is the replacement for cdrecord for pretty much all distros |
| 16:16.04 | Titan8990 | xuser, cdrecord should just be a symlink to wodim |
| 16:17.11 | \amethyst | Titan8990: but it is maintained by Joerg Jaspert, so in a sense it is the debian version |
| 16:17.28 | llutz | wodim is a cdrtools fork |
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| 16:17.41 | \amethyst | Titan8990: it's just that Fedora, SUSE, etc use the Debian version now :) |
| 16:18.00 | Titan8990 | and gentoo |
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| 16:18.17 | iceroot_ | how to reactivate a process, paused with ctrl + z? |
| 16:18.30 | \amethyst | iceroot_: fg |
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| 16:19.11 | dvinchi | ice799, view the jobs |
| 16:19.13 | dvinchi | jobs |
| 16:19.20 | dvinchi | fg %x |
| 16:19.25 | dvinchi | ice799, ok?? |
| 16:19.30 | ice799 | Um |
| 16:19.32 | ice799 | wrong person. |
| 16:19.41 | ice799 | dvinchi: but thanks :) |
| 16:19.42 | dvinchi | fuck TAB |
| 16:19.43 | dvinchi | XD |
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| 16:20.01 | dvinchi | iceroot_, view jobs |
| 16:20.05 | dvinchi | iceroot_, jobs |
| 16:20.10 | dvinchi | iceroot_, fg %x |
| 16:20.13 | dvinchi | ;D |
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| 16:26.04 | docgnome | abrotman: thanks |
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| 16:26.36 | abrotman | wonders what he's done ... |
| 16:26.41 | abrotman | oh |
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| 16:29.13 | docgnome | abrotman: is there one that will list all the apps and their runlevels? |
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| 16:30.54 | Titan8990 | docgnome, ls -lR /etc/rc* would be a crude way of doing it |
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| 16:31.11 | docgnome | Titan8990: hrm... thanks |
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| 16:33.58 | docgnome | hrm... update-rc.d bluetooth disable doesn't actualy seem to remove the bluetooth symlinks |
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| 16:34.35 | elli222 | Ugh. OO impress is running INCREDIBLY slowly. Know anything i can do to speed it up? (and i can guarantee its not a hardware issue) |
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| 16:34.48 | llutz | docgnome: update-rc.d bluetooth remove |
| 16:35.04 | Titan8990 | docgnome, what llutz said only with a -f included |
| 16:35.09 | docgnome | llutz: oh heh |
| 16:35.10 | Titan8990 | docgnome, man update-rc.d |
| 16:35.17 | docgnome | guess i should have rtm more carefully |
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| 16:52.33 | jelly | !qotd0 |
| 16:52.33 | dpkg | <aranjedeath> I would use unstable, but as I've heard debian unstable is actually unstable |
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| 17:05.51 | Titan8990 | !irritate jelly |
| 17:05.51 | dpkg | jelly: HELP ME!!! who uses sound thx |
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| 17:08.23 | jelly | !penixstrike Titan8990 |
| 17:08.24 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Titan8990 to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:08.54 | jelly | (and there was much rejoicing) |
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| 17:10.21 | xreal | When is the difference between "su - user" and "su user"? |
| 17:11.24 | hoxu | jelly, why doesn't "cd /tmp; mkdir perm; chmod 7777 perm; chmod 0 perm; ls -lad perm" do what I expect it to do? |
| 17:11.34 | jelly | because you suck! |
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| 17:11.57 | hoxu | jelly, thanks, that's what I suspected but I never found it in the manual |
| 17:12.27 | dhiaeldeen | if someone created a website called wikizedia , would he be sued ? |
| 17:12.27 | dhiaeldeen | dhiaeldeen: let's say it is a wiki of other type ... |
| 17:12.30 | \amethyst | xreal: su - doesn't copy most of the environment, and it invokes a login shell (which will source /etc/profile and .profile instead of e.g. /etc/bash.bashrc) |
| 17:12.33 | jelly | xreal: the former makes the spawned shell think it were a login shell and act accordingly |
| 17:12.39 | Titan8990 | uses his esp to figure out what hoxu's expected output was |
| 17:12.48 | \amethyst | xreal: su - copies only TERM, COLORTERM, DISPLAY, and XAUTHORITY |
| 17:13.18 | jelly | uh... wth would su - copy DISPLAY and XAUTHORITY?? |
| 17:13.29 | xreal | mmh |
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| 17:13.58 | \amethyst | jelly: dunno, but it does |
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| 17:14.39 | jelly | mh, maybe in recent login packages. |
| 17:15.11 | \amethyst | ah, it doesn't in lenny |
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| 17:16.05 | \amethyst | the version in lenny seems to preserve only TERM |
| 17:16.44 | jelly | and that's the way it should be |
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| 17:17.08 | couannette | hi |
| 17:17.24 | jelly | also, there wouldn't be a reason for sux, gksudo etc existing |
| 17:17.45 | couannette | is it possible to use 'germinate' to merge two archives or two configurations ? |
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| 17:18.20 | xreal | I've got the group "OSM" with some users. I want to create a shared directory "osm" in /svr (/svr/osm). What chown and chmod should I give it? The users of "OSM" should be able to do anything in this folder: create, delete, rename, execute etc. |
| 17:18.26 | \amethyst | jelly: you might want to file a bug against the sid version of login then |
| 17:18.33 | davidisko | hi guys, i have too high local timer interrupts in /proc/interrupts.. what should i've to look for? |
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| 17:18.49 | davidisko | machine is highly loaded mysql webserver |
| 17:18.59 | jelly | \amethyst: I'll just forget it does that |
| 17:19.15 | \amethyst | jelly: oh strange |
| 17:19.29 | \amethyst | jelly: it appears it forwards XDG_SESSION_COOKIE too |
| 17:19.35 | jelly | eww |
| 17:19.35 | \amethyst | jelly: but the manpage doesn't mention that |
| 17:20.39 | jelly | davidisko: how much do they change per second? |
| 17:20.51 | jelly | davidisko: watch -d -n1 'cat /proc/interrupts' |
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| 17:23.49 | Tuomas | Any suggestions for a pastebin-like server program for Debian? |
| 17:24.18 | Tuomas | I found pastebox.sf.net, but it's not in packages.debian.org.. |
| 17:24.48 | xreal | I've got the group "OSM" with some users. I want to create a shared directory "osm" in /svr (/svr/osm). What chown and chmod should I give it? The users of "OSM" should be able to do anything in this folder: create, delete, rename, execute etc. |
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| 17:25.55 | Titan8990 | Tuomas, web applications is one of the very few things its safe to install without help of the package manager |
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| 17:26.44 | Tuomas | xreal: chgrp OSM /svr/osm && chmod g+rwxs /svr/osm |
| 17:27.04 | Tuomas | Titan8990: yeah, safe maybe, but not as easy ;) |
| 17:27.25 | xreal | Tuomas: I thought, I need sthg. like chown -R :OSM /svr/osm ? |
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| 17:27.52 | Tuomas | xreal: you have files or subdirectories there already? |
| 17:28.03 | xreal | no |
| 17:28.06 | Titan8990 | Tuomas, extremely easy actually.... |
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| 17:28.15 | Tuomas | xreal: anyway.. chown -R :OSM /svn/osm should work |
| 17:28.32 | iluminator101 | Hi, i am having trouble playing .avi in vlc in debian squeeze? |
| 17:28.34 | Titan8990 | Tuomas, typically consists of: untar archive into your apache docuement root; done |
| 17:28.43 | xreal | Tuomas. Is it equal to chgrp OSM /svr/osm ? |
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| 17:29.51 | Tuomas | xreal: nope, the -R is recursive |
| 17:29.55 | beewoo | hello |
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| 17:30.11 | xreal | Tuomas: Okay, but without -R it is equal? ;-) |
| 17:30.20 | Tuomas | xreal: I think so |
| 17:30.36 | xreal | k |
| 17:31.51 | Snadder | Anyone know if data can be retrived from amazon s3 with a normal http request, open for everyone? |
| 17:32.13 | hugo | hmm, grub doesn't support booting off RAID ? |
| 17:32.22 | Tuomas | xreal: the most important part is the "s" in "chmod g+rwxs" command.. it makes sure that files/dirs created under that directory will get the OSM group |
| 17:33.00 | xreal | ahhhhh |
| 17:33.03 | xreal | yes, thanks! |
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| 17:37.38 | jelly | hugo: grub2 (grub-pc package) has support for linux md raid, and, I think, lvm. |
| 17:37.46 | hark | hugo: grub-pc does |
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| 17:38.15 | jelly | (if it were hardware raid, you wouldn't be asking the question) |
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| 17:38.27 | hugo | (yes, it's md-raid) |
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| 17:38.38 | hark | but maybe not lvm over raid |
| 17:38.49 | kalikiana | Are dpkg triggers supposed to work with dpkg -i? |
| 17:39.00 | Hydroxide | kalikiana: yes |
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| 17:39.19 | hark | iluminator101: if you have debian-multimedia packages, vlc might not work |
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| 17:39.44 | kalikiana | It seems the trigger ends up in /var/lib/dpkg/triggers but it's never actually run I think |
| 17:39.55 | hugo | hark, I'm on lvm over raid.. let me try grub-pc, sec |
| 17:40.17 | Hydroxide | kalikiana: I'm not an expert on the details, sorry. is this a package in debian or a package you're making, or what? |
| 17:40.20 | hark | hugo: lenny's version does not work iirc. moment |
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| 17:40.49 | hugo | error: Unknown metadata header |
| 17:40.49 | hugo | grub-probe: error: no mapping exists for `sysvg0-boot' |
| 17:40.54 | kalikiana | Hydroxide, my own package. I followed the instructions in the triggers.txt.gz |
| 17:41.16 | kalikiana | would you happen to have some tips and tricks page for that? :) |
| 17:41.30 | kalikiana | the instructions are somewhat complex |
| 17:41.37 | hugo | hmm. my goal is booting xen, I've been googling around and it seems syslinux might be able to boot from md, while lilo and xen don't seem to go along very well.. |
| 17:41.57 | hark | hugo: from the grub wiki: "Note: package grub-pc in Debian Lenny (version 1.96+20080724) does not work on LVM over RAID, so you need to build grub from SVN, or get version 1.97~beta3-1 or older from testing" |
| 17:42.20 | hark | hugo: or maybe check the bts. if you find something let me know |
| 17:42.43 | hugo | I'll try syslinux first and then build grub from svn, thanks hark |
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| 17:52.49 | silvio_santos | hi |
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| 18:10.43 | jelly | !greet silvio_santos |
| 18:10.44 | dpkg | Nihao, silvio_santos |
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| 18:11.26 | xreal | How can I make wget overwriting existing files? |
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| 18:13.48 | sthon | xreal: man wget? |
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| 18:14.36 | Titan8990 | sthon, its not clear there... a google recommendation would have been better |
| 18:14.46 | xreal | sthon: there is no command for overwrite. |
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| 18:15.21 | EagleRock | wget --help has a good list of options |
| 18:15.44 | EagleRock | wget -N might be an option for you |
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| 18:16.01 | EagleRock | depending on what you're downloading |
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| 18:16.44 | xreal | How can time-stamping help me? |
| 18:16.51 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:17.10 | xreal | I thought "-r" is --recursive ? |
| 18:17.28 | niklaswe | xreal: yes -r is --recursive |
| 18:17.31 | sthon | xreal: if the timestamp of the file you're downloading is newer it will overwrite the existing file |
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| 18:17.52 | xreal | niklaswe: So if the file links to a directory, it would download all files in there? |
| 18:18.02 | xreal | sthon: Okay, I will try this. |
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| 18:18.17 | niklaswe | yes or you should give it wildcard |
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| 18:18.27 | EagleRock | xreal: as long as the file is unchanged it won't bother to download it...otherwise it will overwrite the file |
| 18:18.53 | xreal | EagleRock: Okay, I will try this. |
| 18:18.57 | EagleRock | this will work if you're refreshing a download of something like a web page |
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| 18:19.56 | xreal | EagleRock: Yes, my download gets updated daily. |
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| 18:20.08 | Goya | Hello.., Could you help me? I have a testing distribution, and after an aptitude upgrade a new kernel has been installed, but, now , the sound comes from the pc speaker, not the sound car. Do you know what can i do? |
| 18:20.32 | betterworld | When I install ntfs-3g on lenny and insert a NTFS-formatted USB thumb drive and use KDE to mount it, the mount point and its contents will be world-writable. When I use "mount" and the proper uid= and umask= options, or when I use other file systems with KDE/HAL, then only one user has write permissions |
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| 18:20.58 | betterworld | does anyone know how I can tell HAL to mount ntfs-3g with the proper uid and umask options? |
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| 18:21.23 | EagleRock | Goya: sounds like the sound card module doesn't exist for the new kernel...did you compile it yourself by chance? |
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| 18:21.26 | module000 | betterworld: ntfs doesnt' support those concepts such as UID ownership |
| 18:21.33 | yoshx | hello |
| 18:22.24 | betterworld | module000: ntfs-3g does support uid as a mount option, so that all files belong to the same user, which is what I want in a desktop environment |
| 18:22.27 | Goya | EagleRock: No, I didn't compile any kernel... |
| 18:22.45 | module000 | betterworld: i misunderstood your question, in my mind i was thinking linux UID's owning NTFS files. sorry about that |
| 18:22.49 | EagleRock | I mean the sound card...did you install it yourself or was it automatically configured upon install? |
| 18:23.25 | betterworld | but somehow HAL doesn't seem to recognize that ntfs-3g supports these mount options. They aren't listed under volume.mount.valid_options in the output of "hal-device", though they are listed for other file systems |
| 18:23.29 | iluminator101 | hark how do i install the correct packages and make it work |
| 18:23.54 | xreal | Do I need all DVDs of Debian to install it with KDE on a current AMD64 system? |
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| 18:24.13 | Justin | xreal: you need 0 dvd's |
| 18:24.22 | xreal | I don't have internet on the other PC. |
| 18:24.22 | Justin | dvds too |
| 18:24.23 | Goya | The sound card has been installe for 6 years and working in debian. The problem came with the aptitude upgrade |
| 18:24.40 | module000 | betterworld: are you using autofs? |
| 18:24.43 | Justin | you still don't NEED any dvds, you could use a cdrom or two |
| 18:25.10 | Goya | the last aptitude upgrade. It looks like the default hardware for sound is pc speaker now. |
| 18:25.11 | betterworld | module000: no, at least not for these usb drives |
| 18:25.34 | xreal | Justin: So everything is on the first 2 CDs ?? |
| 18:25.50 | francesco_ | i have problem with the migration of a debian root from a pc to another |
| 18:25.53 | Justin | xreal: no, if everything was on the first 2 CDs there would only be 2 CDs |
| 18:26.05 | abrotman | everything you need might be on the first two |
| 18:26.16 | francesco_ | my boot hang on "waiting for root filesistem" |
| 18:26.21 | xreal | so it's secure to download the first DVD only for actual system with KDE ? |
| 18:26.23 | francesco_ | and i use grub2 |
| 18:26.37 | EagleRock | goya: we need to make sure the sound card module is installed. can you perform an lspci -v and pastebin it? |
| 18:26.45 | pflanze | xreal: if you only install one computer, there's no sense burning more than the network installer, which needs only part of 1 cd. |
| 18:27.06 | xreal | pflanze: I don |
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| 18:27.18 | xreal | don't have an internet connection on this computer |
| 18:27.26 | pflanze | the rest will automatically be downloaded as needed; *aha*. |
| 18:27.33 | pflanze | then it's a different story. |
| 18:27.35 | pflanze | sry |
| 18:28.26 | Goya | The result of lspci -v: Multimedia audio controller: C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 (rev 10) |
| 18:28.38 | francesco_ | my boot with grub2 hang on "waiting for root filesistem" |
| 18:28.44 | francesco_ | any suggestion ? |
| 18:28.58 | EagleRock | goya: underneath that driver does it list a kernel driver in use? |
| 18:29.07 | EagleRock | underneath that device, sorry |
| 18:29.41 | Goya | I think so: "Kernel driver in use: C-Media PCI" |
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| 18:31.03 | Goya | when i run alsamixer, firstable appears controls for pc speaker, but if I press F6 |
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| 18:31.58 | Goya | it is shown: - default; 0 pcsp; 1 C-Media CMI 8738 |
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| 18:32.34 | Goya | and i can choose C-Media. for managing volumes etc |
| 18:32.51 | EagleRock | goya: aha...you need to edit either /etc/asound.conf or your .asoundrc file to choose the default |
| 18:32.56 | Goya | It looks like sound card is not de default hardware for sound |
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| 18:34.48 | ridethefire122 | I'm having an issue with rsync. for whatever reason, even though I enter the correct login details for a remote account, I get "Permission denied, please try again." |
| 18:34.49 | cahoot | give the c-media index 0 |
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| 18:35.31 | francesco_ | anyone can help me on grub2 problem ? my boot hang on "Waiting for root filesystem ..." |
| 18:35.56 | Goya | I haven't got those files in the filesystem: /etc/asound nor .aosundrc :( |
| 18:36.06 | Goya | .asoundrc |
| 18:36.11 | cahoot | Goya: give the c-media index 0 |
| 18:36.36 | Goya | cahoot: how can i do that? |
| 18:36.51 | cahoot | Goya: in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
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| 18:37.12 | xyan | could i start iceweasel from the commandline specifying to use a socks proxy? |
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| 18:37.36 | ridethefire122 | I'm having an issue with rsync. for whatever reason, even though I enter the correct login details for a remote account, I get "Permission denied, please try again." |
| 18:37.52 | cahoot | Goya: or simply blacklist snd-pcsp |
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| 18:39.34 | Goya | I haven't got a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf |
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| 18:39.51 | cahoot | alsa-base? |
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| 18:40.23 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 18:40.37 | ridethefire122 | man |
| 18:40.40 | ridethefire122 | what th ehell |
| 18:40.46 | iluminator101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:41.07 | Goya | Yes, I have alsa-base. and alsa-base-blacklist and blacklist.conf |
| 18:41.31 | cahoot | Goya: in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base then |
| 18:41.49 | ridethefire122 | I'm having an issue with rsync. for whatever reason, even though I enter the correct login details for a remote account, I get "Permission denied, please try again." What gives? |
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| 18:42.38 | EagleRock | !tell iluminator101 about multimedia |
| 18:42.40 | betterworld | hm, I think I solved the problem. Added the necessary options to volume.mount.valid_options in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/20-ntfs-3g-policy.fdi (though I think I had tried this before) |
| 18:43.12 | joltcan | ridethefire122: sounds like your trying to use a wrong user then |
| 18:43.23 | ridethefire122 | joltcan: wrong user? |
| 18:43.33 | iluminator101 | how to install the correct codec through debian |
| 18:43.33 | ridethefire122 | I can ssh in with the said user |
| 18:43.34 | joltcan | ridethefire122: could you paste the cmd? |
| 18:43.57 | ridethefire122 | rsync -av --exclude '*.class' --exclude 'CVS' inyoursp@72.251.194.138:inyourspeakers.com/html/ /html |
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| 18:44.34 | Goya | cahoot: ¡¡ /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base is a long file!! |
| 18:45.11 | joltcan | ridethefire122: yeah, that looks fine I guess. I think I've seen that problem before, but I can't recall what was the issue |
| 18:45.12 | cahoot | Goya: so? got to the end of the file - there are som lines starting with Options |
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| 18:45.50 | ridethefire122 | joltcan: I have no idea how to solve this |
| 18:45.54 | _SKiTZO | i have a dependancy on "strlcpy". How can i find which lib to install that supports that? |
| 18:45.59 | ridethefire122 | should I just get root login details for the server? |
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| 18:47.17 | joltcan | ridethefire122: have you tried -e ssh as well, just to be sure that no special ssh opions are used? |
| 18:47.26 | Goya | plenty of lines like this one: install snd-s3c2410 /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd-s3c2410 $CMDLINE_OPTS && /lib/alsa/modprobe-post-install snd-s3c2410 |
| 18:47.46 | ridethefire122 | joltcan: where in the cmd would i put that? |
| 18:47.53 | Goya | could I paste the end (4 lines) of the file?? |
| 18:47.58 | joltcan | ridethefire122: before inyoursp |
| 18:48.15 | joltcan | ridethefire122: or anywhere, its an rsync option |
| 18:48.24 | ridethefire122 | didn't work |
| 18:48.39 | ridethefire122 | I should add that I can login to this box via rsync on another account |
| 18:48.39 | Goya | the options lines |
| 18:48.56 | joltcan | ridethefire122: do you ssh with 'ssh inyoursp@72.251.194.138'? |
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| 18:49.43 | Goya | cahoot: these are the option lines of the alsa-base file: |
| 18:50.02 | cahoot | don't paste here |
| 18:50.18 | do0ob | hi |
| 18:50.21 | joltcan | ridethefire122: not sure what 72.251.194.138 is for a host, but it is possible to just allow some rsync commands from a particular host via an ssh command on the server side |
| 18:50.29 | joltcan | ridethefire122: otherwise than that, I have no ide |
| 18:50.41 | ridethefire122 | well |
| 18:50.43 | ridethefire122 | thats interesting |
| 18:50.44 | Goya | ok , only one line: # Prevent abnormal drivers from grabbing index 0 |
| 18:50.44 | Goya | options snd-bt87x index=-2 |
| 18:50.44 | Goya | etc etc |
| 18:50.45 | ridethefire122 | one sec |
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| 18:50.45 | joltcan | ridethefire122: Or just do the easy way out, use sshfs and mount it somewhere |
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| 18:51.10 | do0ob | is it possible to copy the root filesystem i am using now to /dev/sdb1 from /dev/sda1? |
| 18:51.23 | do0ob | its xfs so can i use xfscopy? |
| 18:51.26 | bzrk_ | ridethefire122: try rsync --exclude '*.class' --exclude 'CVS' -ave ssh inyoursp@72.251.194.138:inyourspeakers.com/html/ /html |
| 18:52.01 | ridethefire122 | oh god |
| 18:52.04 | EagleRock | Goya: do you by chance have an option that says "options snd-pcsp index=-2" listed? |
| 18:52.06 | ridethefire122 | I can't ssh in witht hat ip |
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| 18:52.13 | ridethefire122 | i need to use inyourspeakers.com |
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| 18:53.01 | ridethefire122 | still didn't fix it though |
| 18:53.26 | Goya | No, only these: options snd-bt87x index=-2 ,options snd-cx88_alsa index=-2, options snd-atiixp-modem index=-2,options snd-intel8x0m index=-2 ,options snd-via82xx-modindex=-2 |
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| 18:54.09 | EagleRock | goya: add that to the end of the alsa-base.conf file...that is what will prevent the PC speaker from overtaking your sound card as the primary device |
| 18:54.19 | bzrk_ | ridethefire122: is the inyourspeakers.com folder in the home dir of the inyoursp user? |
| 18:54.37 | ridethefire122 | yes |
| 18:54.40 | aoeu | will not plugging in a parallel ide drive all the way damage it? say a few pins aren't plugged in and the cable is mis-aligned. |
| 18:54.42 | cahoot | Goya: so add a line like Options snd-cm..something index=0 |
| 18:54.50 | bzrk_ | ridethefire122: try this one rsync --exclude '*.class' --exclude 'CVS' -ave ssh inyoursp@72.251.194.138:~/inyourspeakers.com/html/ /html |
| 18:56.01 | ridethefire122 | bzrk_: nothing |
| 18:56.04 | paranoidfreak | hi everybody, i'm having problems with debian unstable; sometimes it freezes, meaning the mouse works but i can't click on any icons of anything for about 5 minutes; is anyone else having this problem because I'd like to know if it has something to do with current unstable version |
| 18:56.10 | bzrk_ | ridethefire122: weird |
| 18:56.14 | ridethefire122 | very |
| 18:56.27 | bzrk_ | ridethefire122: ssh -vvv? |
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| 18:56.28 | ridethefire122 | is there any reason why rsync would be disallowed? |
| 18:56.33 | ridethefire122 | whats vvv doe? |
| 18:56.33 | Goya | I have to add two lines? one for prevent pc-speaker and one for my sound car? |
| 18:56.35 | ridethefire122 | *do |
| 18:56.40 | bzrk_ | debug output |
| 18:56.43 | paranoidfreak | *or anything |
| 18:56.49 | bzrk_ | for ssh |
| 18:57.00 | cahoot | Goya: a line like Options snd-pcsp index=-2 |
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| 18:57.09 | bzrk_ | ridethefire122: with my line you dont just rsync, you encapsulate rsync in ssh |
| 18:57.12 | Goya | ok |
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| 18:57.16 | bzrk_ | ridethefire122: so if ssh works that line should |
| 18:58.03 | ridethefire122 | note: iconv_open("ANSI_X3.4-1968", "ANSI_X3.4-1968") succeeded. |
| 18:58.55 | Goya | cahoot: should I reboot? |
| 18:59.40 | cahoot | Goya: just reload alsa (as root) alsa force-reload |
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| 18:59.53 | ridethefire122 | Connection closed by UNKNOWN |
| 18:59.55 | ridethefire122 | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] |
| 18:59.57 | ridethefire122 | _exit_cleanup(code=12, file=io.c, line=635): entered |
| 18:59.59 | ridethefire122 | rsync error: unexplained error (code 255) at io.c(635) [receiver=3.0.3] |
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| 19:00.01 | ridethefire122 | _exit_cleanup(code=12, file=io.c, line=635): about to call exit(255) |
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| 19:00.49 | Goya | I wrote the line "options snd-pcsp index=-2" and i am going to reload alsa |
| 19:01.06 | EagleRock | good |
| 19:02.26 | brick | my CIFS-mounted NAS filesystem is doing the following: 'mkdir a' succeeds, 'mkdir a/b' fails with -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory). i don't see a permissions problem. any ideas what could be happening? |
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| 19:02.39 | ridethefire122 | bzrk_: thoughts? |
| 19:03.13 | bzrk_ | ridethefire122: im stumped |
| 19:03.23 | ridethefire122 | fuuuuck |
| 19:03.39 | bzrk_ | ridethefire122: maybe a permission problem with rsync on the server? |
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| 19:03.46 | ridethefire122 | yeah |
| 19:03.52 | ridethefire122 | guess I'll have to ask someone |
| 19:04.06 | Goya | cahoot: /etc/init.d/alsa force-reload? |
| 19:04.21 | cahoot | ok |
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| 19:06.41 | Goya | cahoot:I think i wil have to reboot. The command did nothing |
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| 19:07.21 | Goya | is there a dpkg-reconfigure for the sound? |
| 19:07.54 | Goya | similar to dpkg-reconfigure tzdata or something like that? |
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| 19:08.24 | cahoot | Goya: nothing to accomplish what you want |
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| 19:08.56 | Goya | what about alsaconf? |
| 19:09.12 | cahoot | what about it? |
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| 19:10.26 | Goya | I have a computer with debian stable and I was able to configure the sound in that machine with alsaconf. But In this machine (testing) it doesn't exist that command |
| 19:10.43 | ranix | !alsaconf |
| 19:10.43 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 19:11.01 | ranix | Goya: ask dpkg about install alsa |
| 19:11.31 | ranix | Goya: I have not read the backlog, so beware that cahoot may have already given you some instruction I did not see |
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| 19:13.02 | Goya | I am going to reboot. perhaps what cahoot told me works if I reboot |
| 19:13.26 | Goya | I'll be back in a while |
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| 19:13.30 | cahoot | Goya: alsa force-reload as root didn't do it? |
| 19:13.37 | paranoidfreak | hi everybody, i'm having problems with debian unstable; sometimes it freezes, meaning the mouse works but i can't click on any icons or anything but only focusing on a single aplication for about 5 minutes; is anyone else having this problem because I'd like to know if it has something to do with current unstable version |
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| 19:15.45 | brick | paranoidfreak, you might want to strace that app when the freeze happens, and watch what top says is happening... |
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| 19:18.46 | datacrusher | hi everyone. im using ktorrent for torrent files here on my debian box. anyone suggests another torrent client? |
| 19:19.40 | paranoidfreak | brick: ok.... will do that |
| 19:19.45 | paranoidfreak | brick: thanks |
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| 19:19.57 | brick | np, hope it sheds some light |
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| 19:20.57 | paranoidfreak | brick: i know that unstable has issues but i like using unstable because of the latest packagest |
| 19:22.03 | brick | i'm with you on that... |
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| 19:22.32 | brick | i have just as many issues with stable, honestly the distinction is unhelpful for me |
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| 19:23.19 | Goya | cahoot, Eaglerock: It's me again. IT WORKED!!! |
| 19:23.30 | ranix | woot? |
| 19:23.34 | EagleRock | Goya: glad to hear it :-) |
| 19:23.44 | brick | get the alsa-tools (?) package then |
| 19:23.47 | cahoot | Goya: implying doubts? |
| 19:23.52 | brick | ^ Goya |
| 19:23.59 | brick | ah |
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| 19:24.26 | Goya | the sound comes now from sound card again!!! pufff!! :) |
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| 19:24.39 | ranix | paranoidfreak: unless you need software that cannot be backported, you should use stable with backports |
| 19:24.44 | ranix | FYI |
| 19:24.55 | Goya | Thank you very much for your help!! |
| 19:25.50 | paranoidfreak | brick: i'm planning on reloading an old image of unstable if this presists and upgrading the packages after two weeks to see if this issue is resolved |
| 19:25.51 | magyar_ | hi, i'm seeing a lot of errors in apache2 error log where people are trying to scan the server for different service directories. Is there a way to block this? |
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| 19:26.12 | magyar_ | /var/www/sqlweb |
| 19:26.17 | re_ | I asked the in #bash but the entire room is asleep- is there a difference between using `<command>` vs using $(<command>) ?? Anyone know? |
| 19:26.21 | magyar_ | /var/www/websql |
| 19:26.24 | magyar_ | etc |
| 19:26.36 | Justin | magyar_: turn off apache? |
| 19:26.38 | paranoidfreak | ranix: ok, thanks for the info |
| 19:26.41 | Goya | I think i will never upgrade the kenel package again... :) it's too dangerous :) |
| 19:26.55 | magyar_ | Justin, good one.. haha |
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| 19:32.32 | newzen | hello, i need to upgrade the kernel inside of netinstall ISO to upgrade to lasted debien kernel. Anu body can point me to a document howto?? |
| 19:32.34 | cusco_ | re_: that is something that I have asked my self a few times. Have you got the answer yet? |
| 19:32.55 | EagleRock | newzen: what is this for, debian stable? |
| 19:33.01 | cusco_ | newzen: you mean the kernel that runs the installer? |
| 19:33.07 | newzen | yes |
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| 19:33.16 | EagleRock | actually, you could just use the kmudo installers |
| 19:33.18 | re_ | cusco_: yes, long story short I'll be using $() from now on. http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/082 |
| 19:33.45 | cusco_ | newzen: was that yes, replying to my question? |
| 19:33.55 | EagleRock | newzen: kmuto, sorry |
| 19:34.02 | newzen | yes cusco_ |
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| 19:34.13 | EagleRock | !tell newzen about kmuto |
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| 19:35.22 | cusco_ | newzen: you can just use a devel one, a nightly/daily build |
| 19:35.36 | cusco_ | newzen: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:36.04 | newzen | EagleRock: actually i need 2.6.31 kernel |
| 19:36.14 | cusco_ | re_: good to know. I guess I have been flamed before for using $() instead of ``. I actually have been using $() |
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| 19:38.34 | newzen | cusco_ i tryed this build, but they have only 2.6.30 kernel |
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| 19:42.12 | cusco_ | newzen: I see, sorry I can't help you. maybe in #debian-boot @ oftc |
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| 19:42.31 | newzen | thx |
| 19:42.46 | naddey | hi, I want to configure serial communication. Is windows xp command promt the same as hyperterminal? |
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| 19:43.05 | cusco_ | we don't know much about windows xp |
| 19:43.07 | abrotman | minicom/screen/gkermit |
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| 19:44.54 | ccbbaa | is it possible to upgrade gtk+ from etch (old) to the newest from the gtk+ developer site ? |
| 19:44.57 | Titan8990 | abrotman, I used minicom/cutecom for a long time before i discovered putty can handle serial connections |
| 19:45.16 | naddey | abrotman, hi abrotman, I am at the public computer lab, and I am trying to install Linux on my handheld, I have an ipaq 5450. I installed the boot loader, now I trying to install the linux image. But it says you need kermit or minicom with ymodem, or hyperterminal (which I guess includes ymodem), so I was wondering if it is the same. Is the windows xp command prompt and hyperterminal the same thing? |
| 19:45.21 | Titan8990 | ccbbaa, short answer, no |
| 19:45.41 | ccbbaa | and, in what debian package does gtk+ live ? i can't find it when searching in the package repository |
| 19:45.53 | ccbbaa | Titan8990: thanks |
| 19:45.56 | valdyn | naddey: no |
| 19:46.01 | ccbbaa | still where does it live ?1 |
| 19:46.04 | ccbbaa | er ?! |
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| 19:46.40 | Titan8990 | ccbbaa, libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 19:46.48 | ccbbaa | Titan8990: thanks |
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| 19:46.59 | ccbbaa | Titan8990: and its dependencies I assume ... ow |
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| 19:47.19 | naddey | valdyn, ah man...it isn't the same |
| 19:50.13 | ccbbaa | Titan8990: what if i try to upgrade libgtk from etch to lenny ? |
| 19:50.25 | ccbbaa | would that work without mega dependencies ? |
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| 19:51.08 | hugo | hark, I almost got it with grub 1.97 beta3, I'm getting "you need to load the multiboot kernel first" for the moment, trying to fix it |
| 19:51.34 | hugo | regular kernel boots fine from raid+lvm |
| 19:51.40 | hugo | it's the xen one giving me troubles now |
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| 19:53.29 | Titan8990 | ccbbaa, what is your overall goal? |
| 19:53.49 | Titan8990 | ccbbaa, and no, that will likely bork your system |
| 19:54.42 | hark | bet it's firefox |
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| 19:55.55 | hark | hugo: might want to check the bts then |
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| 19:56.39 | Juul | which package contains the manuals for the standard unix C library functions? |
| 19:56.42 | ccbbaa | Titan8990: i want to compile ekiga on etch |
| 19:57.11 | hark | Juul: manpages-dev |
| 19:57.11 | ccbbaa | and other things. developers who ride the bleeding edge in libraries and foist their products upon normal users should be adminished |
| 19:57.15 | ccbbaa | *admonished |
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| 19:57.18 | Juul | hark, thanks |
| 19:57.42 | Titan8990 | ccbbaa, it looks like its available for etch |
| 19:57.47 | Titan8990 | judd, versions ekiga |
| 19:57.48 | judd | Titan8990: ekiga -- etch: 2.0.3-6 etch-backports: 2.0.11-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.0.12-1+nmu1 squeeze: 3.2.5-1 sid: 3.2.6-1 |
| 19:58.01 | ccbbaa | Titan8990: i have it on etch but it has sound problems |
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| 19:58.13 | Justin | ccbbaa: so upgrade to lenny |
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| 19:59.33 | danlench | so everyone speaks volums of debian and i've decided to install on a test machine. i went to the torrent and saw like 30 cds WTF! anyone have reccomendations for downloading to get a feel and maybe setup a router package like shorewall? thanks |
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| 19:59.53 | ccbbaa | Justin: i should and i will but i have too many fires to put out before i get around to doing that |
| 19:59.53 | ccbbaa | i was looking for a shortcut |
| 19:59.53 | ccbbaa | *fail* |
| 20:00.00 | ccbbaa | anyway thanks you saved me a lot of googling |
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| 20:00.57 | Titan8990 | danlench, what is your goal? learn debian? learn linux routing/firewall? learn unix routing/firewall? or maybe just have an old pc function as a router/firewall? |
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| 20:03.25 | danlench | titan8990, i use ubuntu now, since 7.04 and some one on the ##networking channel recommended shorewall to me. i need to create two seprate networks at work to setup two domains on one gateway. thx |
| 20:06.05 | patrikf | danlench, if you want to do this under ubuntu, go to #ubuntu |
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| 20:06.18 | patrikf | if you want to install debian, pick the netinstall CD |
| 20:06.23 | danlench | titan8990, debian has been talked about for so long i feel i need to get my butt in gear and check it out |
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| 20:07.21 | patrikf | the 30 CDs contain simply _everything_there_is_. most people instead download only the first CD, the first DVD or the netinstall CD, and have debian fetch the rest from the 'net as needed. |
| 20:07.22 | kinky | how do I search for installed packages via apt-get? apt-get search doesn't work |
| 20:07.44 | Titan8990 | danlench, I love debian as a server and desktop OS.... but when it comes to firewall I like freebsd better so I would recommend unless you are looking to learn something specific, pfsense |
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| 20:08.16 | Titan8990 | !tell kinky about doesn't work |
| 20:08.17 | patrikf | kinky: aptitude search '~i~nlib' for all installed packages with "lib" in their name... read the aptitude docs for more search modifiers |
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| 20:08.36 | Titan8990 | oh, installed packages |
| 20:09.17 | danlench | titan8990, why freebsd, this is another distro i know nothing about. thx |
| 20:09.56 | Titan8990 | danlench, freebsd is not a linux distribution, it is another flavor of UNIX |
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| 20:10.13 | Titan8990 | danlench, it handles routing and filtering somewhat different than linux does |
| 20:10.42 | Justin | you can run debian/kfreebsd :-) |
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| 20:11.21 | Justin | debian/openbsd with the openbsd libc would have been cool, but that got abandoned a ways back |
| 20:11.26 | danlench | titan8990, it's been a long day :) flavor of coffee is whats on my mind now ;0 |
| 20:11.39 | Titan8990 | danlench, but with pfsense you don't HAVE to know anything about freebsd, its all managed through a web gui (if thats what you prefer), similar to a commercial firewall |
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| 20:12.33 | danlench | titan8990, bingo! can it do multi cards and different networks ? |
| 20:12.33 | EagleRock | danlench: thanks, now I gotta get coffee... :-) |
| 20:12.40 | shingouz | how do i delete a file that exists according to ls but rm refuses to budge telling me the file does not exist? |
| 20:12.55 | danlench | PEET's coffee is the best |
| 20:12.55 | Titan8990 | danlench, yes and even same cards, different networks using interface vlans |
| 20:12.57 | hugo | shingouz, what's the name of the file? |
| 20:13.14 | shingouz | hugo: /var/lib/dpkg/status-old |
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| 20:13.32 | hugo | it's not what I thought then |
| 20:13.48 | shingouz | hugo: what did you think, pray tell? |
| 20:14.13 | Titan8990 | shingouz, he probably thought the file had wierd chars, like a file named '--help' for example |
| 20:14.13 | hugo | shingouz, files with strange characters in them, you gotta rm -- file then |
| 20:14.17 | danlench | sudo /etc/init.d/coffee |
| 20:14.17 | hugo | yeah |
| 20:14.21 | shingouz | heh |
| 20:14.33 | Titan8990 | hugo, you don't have to, you can escape the weird chars |
| 20:14.39 | hugo | true |
| 20:14.48 | ranix | shingouz: fsck the drive |
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| 20:15.24 | ranix | well the filesystem to be exact |
| 20:15.39 | danlench | titan8990, patrikf,thanks |
| 20:15.47 | shingouz | ranix: that is about what i thought i have to do here... i do not trust the flash drives yet, i am a dinosaur |
| 20:16.02 | danlench | i'm downloading and brewing now |
| 20:16.18 | ranix | shingouz: is this on a flash device? |
| 20:16.30 | shingouz | ranix: eeepc to be exact |
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| 20:25.09 | shingouz | feh. sleepmode for me, not enough time to play with the toys at the moment :s |
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| 20:25.33 | notweebl | I want to chmod my /home folder so that only me and group users can list the contents of my directory |
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| 20:25.48 | notweebl | i've been googling but only came with resulst for apache listing |
| 20:26.13 | themill | !permissions |
| 20:26.13 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
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| 20:27.34 | Titan8990 | hmm, dpkg recommends people download non-dfsg compliant documentation *gasp* |
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| 20:31.28 | fluke | hello, was wondering if someone could help me please. done a fresh install of debian tonight and when i boot it up and get to the login screen, my screen goes black and a small window moves around my screen saying "cannot display this video mode, change computer display input to 1440x900@60hz, anyone have any idea what i should do? i currently multi-boot 16 distros and never had this issue before |
| 20:31.38 | notweebl | those links don't tell me what i should do if i only want to deny listing, not the contents itself |
| 20:31.51 | notweebl | else my public_html folder wouldn't be accesible |
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| 20:32.49 | Titan8990 | notweebl, if you take away execution perms to the directory, you are also taking away access to the files inside it, not just the ability to cd to that dir |
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| 20:33.51 | notweebl | i want people to be able to access the files, just not list them the contents of the directory |
| 20:34.00 | notweebl | so if a user knows where to find the file, he can use it |
| 20:34.27 | themill | notweebl: the first link from dpkg http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions deals with *exactly* this situation. |
| 20:35.17 | themill | (which is why I asked dpkg to give us that factoid) |
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| 20:37.41 | xreal | What image type does partimage create? normal IMG-file ? |
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| 20:37.52 | francesco_ | anyone can help me on grub2 problem ? my boot hang on "Waiting for root filesystem ..." |
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| 20:39.10 | francesco_ | any hint ? |
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| 20:40.55 | notweebl | thanks, it was chmod 711 |
| 20:41.19 | xreal | What image type does partimage create? normal IMG-file ? |
| 20:41.23 | docgnome | is the wiki down? |
| 20:41.32 | themill | yes |
| 20:41.35 | hugo | hark, managed to boot xen with it, now it panics on boot :D |
| 20:41.38 | docgnome | dang |
| 20:41.41 | fluke | can anyone help me at all? :( |
| 20:41.46 | hugo | but at least it's booting .. I'll see what else I can dig |
| 20:42.05 | mesaGL | francesco_: can you pastebin your /boot/grub/grub.cfg file ? |
| 20:42.13 | docgnome | is there a good solution for encrypting /home that isn't super slow? |
| 20:42.38 | themill | rot13 is pretty fast |
| 20:42.51 | notweebl | lol |
| 20:43.00 | docgnome | har har |
| 20:43.23 | notweebl | docgnome: super slow as in super secure keep that in mind |
| 20:43.41 | docgnome | notweebl: i mean faster than encfs cause it's fuse based |
| 20:43.48 | docgnome | and fuse is bloody slow |
| 20:44.27 | mesaGL | you can have super secure and super fast too, with a one-time pad. but you would never be able to read the data again ... |
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| 20:46.49 | ranix | mesaGL: WORM |
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| 20:47.07 | radoe | mesaGL: sure you can decrypt it, you just save your key (and keep it secret as usual). But you must not use this key more than once... |
| 20:47.29 | Justin | docgnome: fuse is not really that slow |
| 20:47.31 | ranix | that was supposed to be WORN |
| 20:47.31 | docgnome | Okay... any _useful_ suggestions? -_- |
| 20:47.38 | ranix | write-once-read-never |
| 20:47.42 | docgnome | Justin: that's not been my experience heh |
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| 20:47.51 | francesco_ | mesagl: ok just a second ... i was taken by the video of the chrome os |
| 20:47.54 | francesco_ | :P |
| 20:48.08 | spacepluk | has anybody tried muttator? is it worth it? |
| 20:48.27 | mesaGL | ranix radoe i was kinda trolling a wee bit. my super fast implementation envisaged a key the same size as the entire dataset |
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| 20:49.31 | radoe | mesaGL: I know that, thats just what OTP means. |
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| 20:49.49 | fluke | sorry for the spam folks but i dont wanna hang around all night for a reply |
| 20:49.52 | fluke | hello, was wondering if someone could help me please. done a fresh install of debian tonight and when i boot it up and get to the login screen, my screen goes black and a small window moves around my screen saying "cannot display this video mode, change computer display input to 1440x900@60hz, anyone have any idea what i should do? i currently multi-boot 16 distros and never had this issue before |
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| 20:50.53 | fluke | guess no1 knows...great :S |
| 20:51.28 | mesaGL | fluke: the window moving around, is your monitor complaining about the video signal |
| 20:51.33 | Idle | I'm having some jfs issues with amd64, it seems to lock up and cause my server to crash |
| 20:51.42 | fluke | mesaGL: any idea what i could do to sort it out? |
| 20:52.31 | fluke | the same monitor runs all other 15 distros with no screen issues, infact all run compiz and such |
| 20:52.34 | themill | fluke: that's usually because your monitor is lying about what resolutions and frequencies it can support. "/msg dpkg xorg config" for how to manually sort that out. |
| 20:52.42 | mesaGL | fluke: supply a proper /etc/X11/xorg.conf with a nice modeline and/or horiz/vert refresh ranges and/or size |
| 20:52.49 | brick | fluke, fix your xorg.conf |
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| 20:53.01 | fluke | o ok ty |
| 20:53.20 | francesco_ | measgl: here i'm .... grub.cfg - http://pastebin.com/m3beaa7ea |
| 20:53.25 | fluke | any reason why only debian has issues with it? alittle odd imo |
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| 20:54.02 | fluke | i mean freebsd, gentoo and slackware dont have this issue. i would expect debian to be ahead of them in regards this matter |
| 20:54.13 | themill | fluke: older xorg didn't do any autodetection at all, newer xorg perhaps has better detection. |
| 20:54.21 | fluke | ah |
| 20:54.32 | fluke | ok last question |
| 20:54.40 | fluke | could i just copy the xorg from another distro? |
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| 20:55.27 | fluke | i guess i cant make it any worse lol, i,ll just try it :P |
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| 20:56.19 | mesaGL | francesco_: did you add the stuff in /etc/grub.d/40_custom ? lines 51-63 ? |
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| 21:00.37 | xxtjaxx_ | I have a box next door tht I want to use as webserver the server stuff such as lighttp and shorewall and so on and so forth I also got a dns setup at freedns.com and now the only thing that i need is a registered domain and I can only find domains connected to a hostuing service which I am already doing. Dpo you have any place where I can register a domain for free or just register a domain for a small fee? |
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| 21:00.50 | francesco_ | anyone can help me on grub2 problem ? my boot hang on "Waiting for root filesystem ..." here my grub.cfg - http://pastebin.com/m3beaa7ea |
| 21:01.06 | francesco_ | the problem is with the last kernel |
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| 21:01.42 | kfx | Hi folks, I'm looking for someone who is a wizard at packaging software |
| 21:01.48 | mesaGL | francesco_: maybe you missed my reply due to the netsplit. i'll ask again. did you add the stuff from lines 51-63 from /etc/grub.d/40_custom ? |
| 21:01.50 | kfx | can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 21:02.38 | Fenrir_ | hi |
| 21:02.46 | docgnome | anyone know of a good article for using LUKS in debian? |
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| 21:03.28 | francesco_ | mesaGL: yes i had my new kernel to 40_custom then i do update-grub2 |
| 21:03.37 | Fenrir_ | there is a place with good debian desktop documentation? |
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| 21:04.07 | francesco_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:04.53 | francesco_ | mesaGL: i hope that answer your question |
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| 21:05.58 | xreal | Can I install Boost 1.38 on a stabile Lenny? Is it recommended ? |
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| 21:06.45 | fluke | francesco_: did you install grub to your mbr or to the root of the distro? |
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| 21:07.55 | EagleRock | xreal: does it have to be that exact version? boost is in the debian stable repos, but as a 2.x version |
| 21:08.48 | xreal | EagleRock: Oh, I have to check this. Wait please. |
| 21:08.51 | Fenrir_ | is there a good place with desktop documentation for debian? |
| 21:09.33 | ranix | !grounding |
| 21:09.34 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 21:09.39 | xreal | EagleRock: No sorry, I can't find it. |
| 21:09.53 | ranix | Fenrir_: there is no "desktop debian" |
| 21:10.11 | EagleRock | xreal: run "aptitude search boost-build" and see if that will suffice. If so, aptitude install it |
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| 21:10.24 | fluke | francesco_: looks like your missing "ro quiet" from the end of the kernel line, i could be wrong |
| 21:10.31 | ranix | Fenrir_: it's a suite of tools you learn to use. People around here generally let other, lesser distributions (cough ubuntu cough) worry about things like "2010 is the Year of Linux on the Desktop" |
| 21:10.43 | kfx | Fenrir_: http://ostatic.org/debianguide |
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| 21:12.13 | EagleRock | xreal: aptitude show boost-build will give you the package description, sorry |
| 21:12.30 | xreal | okay, I need it for this: http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/DebianInstallation |
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| 21:13.50 | EagleRock | xreal: that's a different thing, you need the libraries. try "aptitude search libboost" to find the exact version/package you need |
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| 21:14.32 | evilbulgarian | hi, wondering if i adding noexec to my /dev/shm would break my system? running debian testing |
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| 21:15.25 | xreal | EagleRock: Everything > v1.35 seems to be testing only ;-(( |
| 21:15.32 | valdyn | evilbulgarian: users already have /tmp, why care about /dev/shm ? |
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| 21:17.00 | evilbulgarian | valdyn: well on my tmp dir i have noexec and i was wondering if i should add that extra layer of security to /dev/shm |
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| 21:17.16 | valdyn | evilbulgarian: noexec /tmp breaks apt |
| 21:17.21 | EagleRock | xreal: hmm...I see that here. You COULD hook into the squeeze repos to get that particuar package, but then you are getting into something debian stable isn't meant to do...I don't know if anyone else has any ideas as to whether this would affect him in a bad way |
| 21:17.41 | evilbulgarian | valdyn: shit didnt know that |
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| 21:21.11 | kinky | is there a way to start x automatically with user login? ~/.bash_profile http://paste.pocoo.org/show/151772/ doesn't work |
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| 21:22.01 | valdyn | kinky: gdm can do that |
| 21:22.19 | kinky | valdyn: but I don't want to use a login-manager =( |
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| 21:22.39 | valdyn | kinky: why is a login manager a problem? |
| 21:22.51 | valdyn | kinky: because its the right tool for the job and not some silly hack ? |
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| 21:28.14 | francesco_ | fluke: sorry 4 make u wait |
| 21:28.41 | francesco_ | also mesaGL too :) |
| 21:29.30 | francesco_ | ... i take off quite as suggest me by another user on #debian irc.debian.org |
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| 21:29.40 | francesco_ | ro is still there |
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| 21:30.27 | cusco_ | ? |
| 21:30.32 | francesco_ | by leaving quite i could see my kernel start right but hang on line "Waiting for root ...." |
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| 21:30.46 | cusco_ | filesystem |
| 21:31.15 | cusco_ | perhaps your grub conf is wrong, did you plug the disk on another ide/sata socket or something |
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| 21:32.40 | francesco_ | my situation is that: i move a partition ( copy/paste with gparted) from an hd (a) to another (b). (a) is mounted on my old pc. (b) is the asrock 330 ION 's hd :P |
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| 21:35.45 | francesco_ | My situation is that: i move a partition ( copy/paste with gparted) from an hd (a) to another (b). (a) is mounted on my old pc. (b) is the asrock 330 ION 's hd :P . On the new pc i have a Debian 64bit on /dev/sda1 and on /dev/sda2 the clone of the old pc Debian root |
| 21:36.17 | re_ | I have a bash script I want cron to execute every 15 minutes. where in the filesystem is the standard place to put a bash script for this purpose? |
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| 21:36.43 | sthon | re_: /etc/cron.d/ |
| 21:36.45 | xreal | Did anyone work with (x)stow before? |
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| 21:37.43 | francesco_ | My situation is that: i move a partition ( copy/paste with gparted) from an hd (a) to another (b). (a) is mounted on my old pc. (b) is the asrock 330 ION 's hd :P . On the new pc i have a Debian 64bit on /dev/sda1 and on /dev/sda2 the clone of the old pc Debian root. Here grub.cfg (/dev/sda1) http://pastebin.com/m3beaa7ea and the last kernel (line from 40_custom) is the old pc Debian box |
| 21:38.18 | _SKiTZO | i am playing around with debootstrap and right now i am trying to install grub from within a chrooted install. when i apt-get grub it doesnt create /boot/grub or any of its content |
| 21:38.23 | _SKiTZO | what must i do |
| 21:38.33 | _SKiTZO | to recreate /boot/grub/* ? |
| 21:38.36 | francesco_ | sorry for the spam ... just trying to tell u all the story about it |
| 21:38.47 | newzen | francesco, i have the same situation |
| 21:38.51 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, that will happen when you install grub, not the grub package |
| 21:38.52 | themill | _SKiTZO: "/msg dpkg fixgrub" will help |
| 21:38.59 | francesco_ | wellcome in the group |
| 21:39.04 | newzen | only solution that i found is remastersys |
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| 21:39.11 | re_ | sthon: ok thanks |
| 21:39.16 | francesco_ | remastersys ? |
| 21:39.18 | _SKiTZO | Titan8990: i did install grub, but that complains that all the stage files are missing |
| 21:39.33 | _SKiTZO | themill: thx i will try that |
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| 21:39.38 | newzen | you make a booteable cd with your complete su=ystem |
| 21:40.02 | newzen | francesco: a package |
| 21:40.27 | francesco_ | it seams grub2 give lot problem to peope to rescue it me, newzen, and _SKiTZO |
| 21:41.42 | Titan8990 | might be why there is a request for help in packaging it |
| 21:41.43 | francesco_ | newzen : did u get it work by it ? |
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| 21:41.55 | newzen | yes i do |
| 21:42.13 | francesco_ | oh Titan8990 ... i did't know it |
| 21:42.56 | dserban | I have installed splashy on a lenny workstation, it uses ldap for authentication. The system boots shows the splash screen, and everything is hunky dory, it goes to 100% and just sits there... upon any keypress, it exits and then loads gdm. Anyone know what could be causing it to wait for input like that? |
| 21:43.09 | newzen | im working with a special hardware, i haved to alternatives, make a intall cd with the newest kernel, and on the way i found that tools. wonderfull |
| 21:44.30 | francesco_ | newzen: but your situation was a kernel boot that hang on "Waitiing for root filesystem ..." |
| 21:44.43 | Justin | that is not really the kernel hanging, that is the initrd |
| 21:45.21 | francesco_ | intrd that smell like the solution |
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| 21:46.04 | newzen | francesco: yes that exactly my situation |
| 21:46.14 | themill | francesco_: when you moved the hard drive around, did you fix up both the grub root entry and the kernel root entry? http://pastebin.com/m3beaa7ea |
| 21:46.30 | themill | s/hard drive/partition/ |
| 21:46.34 | newzen | really, i coudent find any solution, for two day working |
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| 21:46.52 | _SKiTZO | themill: i can't use grub.install because it doesn't understand my devicemap (im installing to an imagefile) |
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| 21:47.16 | francesco_ | themill: i changed path on grub ( i did by auto with update-grub2) and i modify fstab on /dev/sda2 ( the old debian clone) |
| 21:47.56 | re_ | sthon: wait it looks like /etc/cron.d/ is for cron files, not bash *.sh scripts that cron executes. is this right? |
| 21:48.07 | francesco_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.09 | themill | re_: that's right. |
| 21:48.28 | sthon | re_: ah, sorry thought that's what you were asking. |
| 21:48.59 | sthon | there is no standard place to put bash scripts... normally you would put them in a bin or sbin folder, or opt. |
| 21:49.26 | re_ | sthon: eheh ok, thanks bro =) |
| 21:49.41 | themill | sthon: /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/myjunk/ if you don't want it to be in your $PATH too |
| 21:50.21 | sthon | if you don't want it in your path then put it wherever the hell you want |
| 21:50.29 | sthon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:51.25 | newzen | francesco_ do you have some special hardware? |
| 21:51.29 | themill | The fhs gives you some hints as to where can be good to put it. And places that you'd remember to back up have advantages (/usr/local would normally be backed up; much of /var is not) |
| 21:51.37 | francesco_ | it is sata |
| 21:51.43 | francesco_ | not so special |
| 21:52.19 | newzen | my is cf disk, i was thinking for that |
| 21:52.29 | newzen | but now i see that dont |
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| 21:53.00 | newzen | do you have the exxacty message? |
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| 21:53.24 | newzen | can't found sdXX or something around?? |
| 21:53.35 | newzen | francesco_ |
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| 21:57.34 | francesco_ | sorry i have to reboot to try |
| 21:57.42 | francesco_ | brb |
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| 22:02.39 | newzen | brb?? |
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| 22:03.51 | francesco_ | i'm back |
| 22:03.52 | francesco_ | :P |
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| 22:04.08 | francesco_ | newzen : i switch on the old pc |
| 22:04.49 | francesco_ | newzen : and i have booted then new one on the clone box partition |
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| 22:05.34 | newzen | so, the problem is the new pc? |
| 22:05.51 | francesco_ | newzen : no line about sdXX and the pervious line before hang is " ... running script local-top ...done" |
| 22:06.36 | newzen | if you take the newdisk copy, you can boot on the old pc?? |
| 22:06.44 | francesco_ | on the new i have ono sda1 a new box with grub2 and on sda2 the clone box of old pc |
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| 22:08.24 | newzen | what happend if you take the old disk and put on port 1 of new pc and try to boot? |
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| 22:08.53 | francesco_ | i don't have a box to do that |
| 22:09.08 | francesco_ | the old is eide and the new pc only sata |
| 22:09.21 | newzen | so, try remastersys, that work for me |
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| 22:10.24 | sander | Does it exist a "cloud".. like amazon s3.. where you can install debian, and use alot of cpu? |
| 22:10.31 | francesco_ | yes but what was your problem ? where kernel hang if it booted ? |
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| 22:11.04 | newzen | trying to find root file system |
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| 22:12.14 | newzen | this method dont touch your original disk, only make a copy and put on booteable cd or dvd depending the size of the image |
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| 22:12.36 | newzen | or maybe on more than one |
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| 22:14.54 | fubada | hi |
| 22:15.10 | fubada | anyone see package problems with openswan Setting up openswan (1:2.4.12+dfsg-1.3+lenny2) ... |
| 22:15.13 | fubada | just hangs on Setting up openswan (1:2.4.12+dfsg-1.3+lenny2) ... |
| 22:15.18 | fubada | brand new debian 5 install |
| 22:15.31 | fubada | 3 machines |
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| 22:16.05 | francesco_ | newzen : and then ? |
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| 22:19.39 | francesco_ | where is grub irc channel ? |
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| 22:21.18 | iluminator101 | I have this issue of vlc not playing .avi files, there is sound but no video, or it is fragmented, i have vlc-1.0.2-1 installed on debian squeeze |
| 22:21.21 | kermit | francesco_: i bet you can guess |
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| 22:31.26 | abrotman | iluminator101: avi is a container |
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| 22:33.31 | iluminator101 | 64bit squeeze plays it on the same vlc version, i dont know why this one does not |
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| 22:34.03 | seanh | Hey is anyone able to install suckless.org's surf web browser on debian stable? I'm getting compile errors that don't give me a clue what I'm missing. It says it depends on GTK+ and WebKit, I have libgtk2.0-dev and libwebkit-dev installed |
| 22:35.15 | xuser | they have a irc channel |
| 22:35.48 | seanh | Ok lets try it then |
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| 22:39.02 | wamty | I have a user that should be part of a group. If anyone but that user types groups <user> she shows as part of the group, but when she runs groups <herself>, she's not a part of the group. |
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| 22:39.25 | wamty | Also, if she logs off and back on, she becomes part of the group for a while, but eventually she gets removed... |
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| 22:40.35 | ik3 | hello i just installed squeeze for a netinst cd, and i having problems with my sound card, alsaconf is not a command anymore, i have a realtek hd pleas some1?? |
| 22:41.14 | ik3 | the aplay -l command shows "no soundcards found..." |
| 22:41.14 | valdyn | ik3: alsaconf isnt needed |
| 22:41.32 | xuser | ik3: did you install the alsa pkgs? |
| 22:41.34 | valdyn | ik3: is linux-sound-base installed? |
| 22:41.48 | ik3 | yes alsa-utils, linux-sound-base too |
| 22:42.09 | valdyn | ik3: pretty sure then that your sound card is not supported by your current kernel |
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| 22:42.17 | seanh | Ok I'm on debian stable but I need to get the libwebkit-dev package from unstable. How do I do that? |
| 22:42.26 | valdyn | ik3: is that card newer than your current debian release? |
| 22:42.26 | abrotman | !tell seanh about ssb |
| 22:42.54 | seanh | thanks |
| 22:43.13 | valdyn | ik3: and in any case you might "dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" and set and verify it to alsa |
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| 22:43.54 | xuser | ik3: is alsa-base installed? |
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| 22:44.03 | valdyn | xuser: has to be |
| 22:44.06 | ik3 | yes |
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| 22:44.20 | ik3 | and its that new, im running kernel 2.6.30 |
| 22:44.32 | pigdude | why does debian's iceweasel not offer the option to download a page as html only? |
| 22:44.40 | valdyn | ik3: lspci -nn, give us the pci id |
| 22:44.54 | valdyn | pigdude: WHAT? |
| 22:45.00 | themill | pigdude: does here. |
| 22:45.13 | valdyn | pigdude: you can download a page as *not* html? |
| 22:45.16 | pigdude | I'm on squeeze, not sure if that's significant |
| 22:45.24 | valdyn | pigdude: most probably not |
| 22:45.37 | pigdude | yes, I can download a page and have firefox screw it up. however, on most platforms, one can choose "html only" |
| 22:45.39 | ik3 | 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller [8086:284b] (rev 03) ? |
| 22:45.55 | valdyn | pigdude: firefox does not change the html code |
| 22:46.09 | pigdude | valdyn, yes it does. how do you think the saved page finds all the files it downloads |
| 22:46.21 | pigdude | valdyn, typically there is an option to download only the html as raw source, unmodified |
| 22:46.29 | themill | pigdude: I think he's talking about "Save As" -> "Web page (complete)" vs "HTML only" |
| 22:46.30 | valdyn | pigdude: ah, that one, I see |
| 22:46.33 | pigdude | yea |
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| 22:46.41 | pigdude | themill, thanks :) |
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| 22:46.54 | pigdude | I don't see it in my Save As dialog on Debian 6 |
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| 22:47.04 | pigdude | of course I can copy the contents of view source... |
| 22:47.14 | seanh | Ok, so I add a deb-src line for testing, say, to my sources.list. Won't that override all source packages with the ones from testing? Then I install the package I want. Then can I remove the deb-src line again? |
| 22:47.15 | valdyn | pigdude: maybe iceweasel-gnome or iceweasel-gnome-support does that |
| 22:47.48 | pigdude | valdyn, the gnome guys aren't content with removing features from their own software? ;) |
| 22:48.03 | valdyn | judd: pci [8086:284b] |
| 22:48.04 | judd | valdyn: Error: "8086:284b" is not a valid command. |
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| 22:48.05 | themill | seanh: source packages aren't installed and it doesn't interact with "aptitude install foo" at all |
| 22:48.11 | valdyn | judd: [8086:284b] |
| 22:48.11 | judd | valdyn: Error: "8086:284b" is not a valid command. |
| 22:48.14 | valdyn | gah |
| 22:48.18 | themill | judd: pciid 8086:284b |
| 22:48.20 | judd | themill: [8086:284b] is '82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:284b |
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| 22:48.53 | themill | valdyn: [ ] are to a supybot what $( ) is to bash... :( |
| 22:49.06 | seanh | Oh I see, the bot told me to do "apt-get -b source packagename", I'm guessing that builds debs using files from my deb-src line |
| 22:49.17 | themill | yes |
| 22:49.32 | valdyn | ik3: where is your kernel from? |
| 22:49.59 | seanh | So I just replace the "stable" in my deb-src line with "testing"? |
| 22:50.14 | valdyn | seanh: thats ok |
| 22:50.34 | ik3 | from instalation |
| 22:50.39 | themill | seanh: yes (or with unstable). BTW you're best not to use "stable" in sources.list anyway. /msg dpkg stable sources.list |
| 22:51.16 | valdyn | seanh: and the same applies to using "testing" |
| 22:51.17 | seanh | Ok. So this is what the deb-src lines are for? I can run a dpkg -b to build debs from them? I always wondered |
| 22:51.46 | Titan8990 | seanh, source packages |
| 22:51.49 | ik3 | i just downloaded the netinst version and keep that kernel 2.6.30-2, its strange though when open a terminal and type alsamixer it shows " cannot open mixer: No such file or directory" |
| 22:52.16 | valdyn | ik3: that means the same as that it found no sound card |
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| 22:52.36 | seanh | Really? It came with "stable" in the sources.list. Am I supposed to use sid/lenny/etc? |
| 22:52.45 | valdyn | ik3: "modprobe snd-hda-intel" and try again |
| 22:52.57 | valdyn | seanh: i think the last release that came with "stable" was etch |
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| 22:53.05 | seanh | Titan8990, Oh right, they are just a way to install the source code if you want it for development or compiling |
| 22:53.10 | valdyn | seanh: but i could be wrong |
| 22:53.27 | Titan8990 | seanh, right |
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| 22:53.50 | seanh | No, the latest stable is lenny isn't it? |
| 22:53.57 | valdyn | seanh: yes |
| 22:54.02 | Titan8990 | valdyn, etch is now old-stable and lenny is stable... although I have a feeling im confused on what you mean since you in here quite often |
| 22:54.37 | seanh | and testing is squeeze. So instead of stable and testing I should say lenny and squeeze in my sources.list? Then it won't get confused with future stables and testings I guess |
| 22:54.39 | valdyn | Titan8990: i mean the literal word "stable" as used in sources.list, where "etch" and "lenny" are alternative literals at their times |
| 22:54.59 | Titan8990 | valdyn, oh, i think you CAN but it doesn't default to that |
| 22:55.15 | valdyn | oh well, i should though |
| 22:55.27 | valdyn | oh well, *it* should though |
| 22:55.30 | themill | Titan8990: it used use "stable" (and still does in the man page) |
| 22:55.44 | tuv | if you want to track stable across its releases, use stable. if you want to stick to one stable release, e.g. lenny, use lenny |
| 22:55.47 | themill | (for it == the installer) |
| 22:55.51 | themill | tuv: err, no. |
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| 22:55.57 | themill | dpkg: tell tuv about stable sources.list |
| 22:56.02 | valdyn | even if you want to track stable its a bad idea |
| 22:56.17 | valdyn | *no* one wants to be potentially surprised by upgrades |
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| 22:56.53 | xand | since upgrading to 2.6.30 I get "Probing EDD..." early in the boot sequence, which takes a while... what is this/is it OK to disable? |
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| 22:57.08 | iluminator101 | i tried a bunch of things nothing has worked so far, how do i fix the vlc debian-multimedia, .avi error |
| 22:57.28 | tuv | themill: ok. is use testing myself, which is 'trivial' to track, as there are no 'releases' |
| 22:57.30 | seanh | Following the bot instructions to install a package from testing. I got as far as `apt-get build-dep packagename` but it has a dependency that can't be met. |
| 22:57.51 | valdyn | seanh: sometimes you have to first backport the deps |
| 22:58.15 | dustybin | is it possible to subscribe to a special debian security alert list? |
| 22:58.25 | seanh | valdyn, you mean install them from testing source in the same way? |
| 22:58.32 | valdyn | seanh: and sometimes thats a long line of deps and deps of deps that you dont really want to backport because it changes the whole system |
| 22:58.45 | themill | tuv: right -- that's a very different beast. |
| 22:58.49 | valdyn | seanh: yea |
| 22:58.52 | seanh | I'm trying to install libwebkit-dev from testing |
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| 22:59.05 | Titan8990 | dustybin, I am on some of the security mailing lists and I often see "fixed vulnerability X", but rarely see a bullitan for "vulnerability X found" |
| 22:59.15 | valdyn | seanh: whatever you cant get via "apt-get build-dep <packagename" you need to backport first |
| 22:59.18 | dustybin | ok |
| 22:59.33 | xand | or it might be since I enabled AHCI in the |BIOS |
| 22:59.36 | xand | -| |
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| 23:00.02 | valdyn | dustybin: theres ML like that, but not by debian, because theres no point |
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| 23:00.28 | dustybin | http://www.chromium.org/ |
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| 23:00.31 | dustybin | whoops |
| 23:00.37 | dustybin | http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 23:01.10 | valdyn | dustybin: thats about fixes, not about vulnerabilities found |
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| 23:01.29 | Titan8990 | yeah... thats the one I am subscribed too |
| 23:02.26 | valdyn | and for example the linux kernel "vulnerabilities found" list isnt public |
| 23:02.33 | seanh | Mm, it needs to backport glib, I'm not sure it's worthwhile just for a web browser |
| 23:02.50 | valdyn | seanh: webkit is not really that mature yet for debian |
| 23:03.10 | Titan8990 | valdyn, ehh, so how would you get on a private mailing list? |
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| 23:03.23 | Titan8990 | valdyn, do you just need to ask or sit around and wait to be invited? |
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| 23:03.38 | valdyn | Titan8990: no idea |
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| 23:03.55 | sly007 | why is there a <Directory /> in apache's default host, while is documentroot is /var/www? Why care about /? |
| 23:04.00 | Titan8990 | and that reminds me... where the hell is the source code for ifup/ifdown? |
| 23:04.03 | valdyn | Titan8990: im sure its in the lkml archives, because there had to be a discussion about this |
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| 23:05.19 | valdyn | Titan8990: apt-get source ifupdown |
| 23:06.01 | valdyn | sly007: / is relative to documentroot? |
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| 23:07.04 | valdyn | sly007: nm, i think its settings that just apply to all below / |
| 23:07.29 | valdyn | skath: and theres completely seperate directories invivled ( /usr/lib/cgi-bin/ and /var/www/ ) |
| 23:07.48 | Titan8990 | valdyn, ... I spent a while looking for that yesterday... google pointed to the netbase package |
| 23:07.51 | iluminator101 | I have this issue of vlc not playing there is sound but no video, or it is fragmented, i have vlc-1.0.2-1 installed on debian squeeze |
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| 23:07.58 | abrotman | iluminator101: avi is a container |
| 23:08.14 | Titan8990 | valdyn, any chance you know why `apt-file find $(which ifup)` fails to return results? |
| 23:08.16 | iluminator101 | abortman:what does that mean |
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| 23:08.32 | abrotman | gets the dictionary |
| 23:08.35 | valdyn | Titan8990: /sbin/ not in path |
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| 23:08.41 | valdyn | Titan8990: /sbin/ not in $PATH |
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| 23:08.54 | Titan8990 | valdyn, it is for root, which is who i ran it as |
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| 23:09.10 | jpinx-eeepc | iluminator101: depends on where I get the .avi or whatever files, sometime when they come by email they fail to play in vlc or mplayer, but when resent they work - it's flaky ;) |
| 23:09.16 | valdyn | Titan8990: does root have it in its PATH? |
| 23:10.09 | Titan8990 | valdyn, yes... I just did an apt-file update and its finding it now... I was not having issues with other packages and its only been a couple weeks since i last update apt-file |
| 23:10.19 | Titan8990 | valdyn, and i was trying it on two seperate debian servers |
| 23:10.23 | Titan8990 | weird |
| 23:10.33 | paj1234 | I have Debian 5.0.3. Why does the KDE application launch feedback "busy" cursor continue bouncing/flashing for 30 seconds after Firefox has launched? |
| 23:10.44 | iluminator101 | well in totem it tried to access the web, but in vlc on my 64bit box, it plays fine, why does it play on my laptop |
| 23:11.37 | Titan8990 | paj1234, launch effects from the desktop effects GUI configuration |
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| 23:11.47 | Titan8990 | paj1234, you can set the timeout value on it |
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| 23:12.54 | paj1234 | Yes, I did that. But how does KDE know when an application has finished launching? It works correctly for every other program I've currently installed, eg Konqueror, Pidgin, etc. Firefox is the odd one out. I would like to know why I have to make an exception for Firefox?? |
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| 23:14.40 | themill | iluminator101: you can stick lots of different things inside an avi file. Try running "file" on it to see what's inside, then you'll no what codec you need to install. |
| 23:14.49 | Titan8990 | paj1234, firefox or iceweasel? |
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| 23:15.23 | themill | paj1234: the application is able to tell KDE that it is finished loading and can stop the "launching" indicator. Some programs don't do that so KDE doesn't know. |
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| 23:16.38 | paj1234 | themill: ty it's just surprising that FF is KDE unaware... |
| 23:17.11 | Titan8990 | paj1234, novell, major backers of kde, even have that problem with their administrative software "yast2" |
| 23:18.22 | themill | paj1234: it's more that FF is unaware of the startup notification protocol |
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| 23:19.41 | seanh | Since I can't use surf, can anyone recommend a lightweight web browser that is packaged for debian stable? My system is 440mhz and 256mb ram. I have iceweasel and epiphany which work fine but are a bit slow, especially to start up. I didn't like NetSurf. Uzbl is also webkit based so I'm guessing I won't be able to build it. dillo and midori are not packaged. Conkeror is a possibility |
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| 23:23.30 | the_person | Hi, does the new debian comes with grub2 installed? |
| 23:23.52 | the_person | I want to install debian, but I have windows 7 already and I've heard grub2 is the one that supports windows 7 |
| 23:24.12 | paj1234 | seanh: I like Konqueror. Apple Safari web browser uses KHTML, the Konqueror rendering engine. |
| 23:24.33 | Titan8990 | the_person, grub1 can boot win7, and this "new" debian is not a stable release |
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| 23:26.09 | simonrvn | grub2 in sid (and squeeze, i imagine) can boot xp. probably win7 too. |
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| 23:26.33 | valdyn | even lilo can boot win7... |
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| 23:26.44 | the_person | simonrvn, But does squeeze comes with grub2? |
| 23:26.56 | simonrvn | you have a choice... |
| 23:27.04 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, yes, you do |
| 23:27.04 | valdyn | the_person: why would you care about grub2 *at* all? |
| 23:27.20 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, squeeze has grub1, named grub-legacy |
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| 23:27.30 | simonrvn | Titan8990: i know :) |
| 23:28.11 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, lol sorry I misread. I thought you said "you have no choice" |
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| 23:28.39 | the_person | Well I'm going to install squeeze |
| 23:28.49 | simonrvn | Titan8990: hehe, s'ok |
| 23:29.06 | Titan8990 | the_person, thats not recommended unless your an experience linux user who can solve their own problems |
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| 23:30.13 | the_person | Titan8990, Ok so I have to install lenny then right? |
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| 23:30.48 | valdyn | seanh: links -g |
| 23:30.59 | Titan8990 | the_person, I recommend that, you don't have to |
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| 23:33.20 | the_person | Titan8990, But how unstable is testing?. Cause I always found "testing" or "beta" releases are quite stable but are tagged like that just for developers to have somthing to hold to if the system fails |
| 23:33.23 | the_person | lol |
| 23:33.51 | simonrvn | s,\?.,\?, |
| 23:34.04 | themill | s/if/when/. Testing breaks quite often, and you get to keep both parts while we point and laugh. |
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| 23:34.22 | ge0rge007 | Hello! I have 2 disks at my computer both sata. I have started the installation of debian and the question is: the new system is being installed to the partition that i have formated thats how i have not to choose where to install it? |
| 23:34.49 | Titan8990 | !tell the_person about testing |
| 23:34.50 | sander | Does it exist a tool to automaticly backup data to some cloud storage? |
| 23:34.51 | EagleRock | the_person: what Titan8990 is trying to say is that testing/squeeze is not stable and has known bugs. If you are going to use testing, you are bound to come across issues that require bug reports, workarounds, etc. that aren't expected to be supported in places like #debian |
| 23:35.18 | EagleRock | Titan8990: just be glad you don't have people coming around asking to do mixed-mode testing/sid installs :-P |
| 23:35.32 | Titan8990 | sander, rsync |
| 23:36.02 | the_person | EagleRock, Ok I understand |
| 23:36.14 | the_person | Thanks for the help guys |
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| 23:36.42 | Titan8990 | sander, well, automatic if you add it to cron... but that goes with just about anything |
| 23:37.08 | sander | Titan8990, I was more looking for a tool like dsmc.. which runs in the background.. and where you can choose the path and date when restoring files |
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| 23:38.50 | Titan8990 | sander, isn't that available for linux? |
| 23:39.34 | sander | dsmc? thats something you can use on linux, correct. |
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| 23:40.18 | sander | dsmc.. atleast the client.. dont know about the server |
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| 23:46.56 | jhutchins_lt | sander: adsm is the server iirc. |
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| 23:47.49 | sander | jhutchins_lt: does that only run on windows? |
| 23:48.14 | jhutchins_lt | No, it's IBM stuff. |
| 23:48.18 | jhutchins_lt | UNIX. |
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| 23:48.29 | sander | Its free? :-) |
| 23:48.36 | jhutchins_lt | I think so, |
| 23:48.44 | sander | Does it exist in debian? |
| 23:48.45 | jhutchins_lt | Well, UNIX, so... |
| 23:48.51 | jhutchins_lt | Now there's the question. |
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| 23:50.09 | jhutchins_lt | Doesn't appear to be in the main repositories. |
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| 23:50.44 | jhutchins_lt | sander: I use rdiff-backup in a cron job. Seems to work very well. |
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| 23:57.29 | iluminator101 | I got this vlc error i tried without success to fix it, but here it is http://debian.pastebin.com/dfdc8ea9 |
| 23:57.59 | sander | Strange that it dosnt exist a backup program to backup data to the cloud.. :-( |
| 23:58.11 | sander | I have alot of data I want backed up.. and no backup server |
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