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| 00:04.28 | sander | jhutchins_lt: backupninja seems to use rdiff-backup |
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| 00:09.26 | mallxs_ | how do i check if there is a fs on a partition ? |
| 00:09.39 | pipegeek | you could try mounting it |
| 00:10.28 | themill | file -s |
| 00:11.33 | pipegeek | mallxs_ |
| 00:11.43 | mallxs_ | yes ? |
| 00:11.53 | mallxs_ | thx themill |
| 00:12.18 | themill | np |
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| 00:12.34 | mallxs_ | still could not get my apache2 back to work .. have send a bt to the package man |
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| 00:16.47 | mallxs_ | and what is the secure ftpd today ? |
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| 00:18.45 | abrotman | !nl |
| 00:18.45 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 00:18.58 | Titan8990 | mallxs_, uhh, none of them |
| 00:19.05 | mallxs_ | and what do you folol |
| 00:19.06 | Titan8990 | mallxs_, its... ftp |
| 00:19.23 | shivraj_ | how can I remove the ati driver from my computer the non-free one |
| 00:19.39 | mallxs_ | did i give away my dutch mouth ? |
| 00:19.42 | MAd_haTTer | !de |
| 00:19.43 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 00:19.54 | Titan8990 | mallxs_, for secure file transfer over the internet? scp/sftp or webdav |
| 00:20.05 | MAd_haTTer | !ru |
| 00:20.05 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 00:20.11 | MAd_haTTer | !kn |
| 00:20.11 | dpkg | somebody said kn was St Kitts |
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| 00:21.13 | MAd_haTTer | cool |
| 00:21.25 | MAd_haTTer | this yours abrotman |
| 00:21.40 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: msg the bot |
| 00:22.11 | wuffi600 | can i temporarily disable the key-verification when doing a "aptitude update" or "apt-get update"? |
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| 00:26.23 | JohnWittle | My x just broke; anyone feel like helping me troubleshoot it? I haven't had to touch my x.org in a while and I can't remember anything about it. |
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| 00:27.06 | abrotman | how did it 'just break' ? |
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| 00:27.29 | JohnWittle | Well, I was swapping out GDM for Slim and slim changed something in x.org |
| 00:27.36 | jpinx-eeepc | JohnWittle: dpkg-reconfigure xorg - iirc... |
| 00:27.57 | JohnWittle | Oh, man. Why didn't I think of that :/ |
| 00:28.01 | jpinx-eeepc | Ooops - abrotman caught it |
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| 00:35.20 | michel | oi |
| 00:35.23 | michel | td ben |
| 00:35.26 | michel | jente |
| 00:35.32 | michel | tem alguen |
| 00:35.42 | michel | whats your name ? |
| 00:35.47 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:35.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:36.13 | zinx | thinks #debian-br may be more appropriate |
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| 00:37.56 | michel | oi |
| 00:38.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell michel about ask |
| 00:38.27 | zamuro | kick, kick, kick!! |
| 00:38.35 | man_in_irssi | can we also ask michel about tell? :P |
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| 00:39.02 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell man_in_irssi about selftell |
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| 00:40.02 | man_in_irssi | glares at jpinx-eeepc |
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| 00:40.26 | jpinx-eeepc | wears sunglasses |
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| 00:41.09 | man_in_irssi | at night? |
| 00:41.38 | jpinx-eeepc | anti-glare |
| 00:42.23 | man_in_irssi | jpinx-eeepc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunglasses_at_Night |
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| 00:52.00 | oh_noes | Is it possible to fsck.ext3 / on every startup? |
| 00:52.25 | oh_noes | I tried setting tune2fs -m 0 but it didn't do anything .. no checks. |
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| 00:55.21 | tensorpudding | oh_noes: check out /etc/fstab |
| 00:55.26 | simonrvn | oh_noes: why? |
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| 00:55.41 | oh_noes | simonrvn: for testing |
| 00:55.47 | man_in_irssi | "testing" what? |
| 00:56.04 | tensorpudding | the sixth field in /etc/fstab specifies whether to fsck the filesystem at boot |
| 00:56.16 | oh_noes | testing something obviously thats Im hoping will cause filesystem corruption |
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| 00:56.49 | simonrvn | reboot the box without shutting down properly will do it |
| 00:57.00 | oh_noes | no it doesnt ... already tried |
| 00:57.16 | oh_noes | echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger causes it to hard bounce without fsync(), but no fsck |
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| 01:12.04 | iluminator101 | hi vlc cant play .avi here is codec out from ffmpeg maybe someone can help me with this http://debian.pastebin.com/d10d63c3f |
| 01:12.13 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 01:12.36 | lubosz | hi |
| 01:12.38 | lubosz | when i want a service to not start at boot, do i have to rename it in EVERY runlevel from S to K? |
| 01:12.50 | lubosz | besides shutdown etc. i mean from 2 to 5 |
| 01:13.33 | dkr | lubosz: update-rc.d can manipulate all the symlinks for you |
| 01:13.58 | lubosz | dkr: so i just change it in one and it is done for me? |
| 01:14.05 | lubosz | or do i have to change it in a specific one |
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| 01:15.51 | lubosz | dkr: ah i see, thx |
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| 01:18.01 | dkr | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s-sysvinit for the details, but default runlevel is indeed 2 and 3,4,5 unused I think |
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| 01:22.13 | lubosz | do i need laptop mode on my desktop Oo? |
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| 01:33.54 | silverstar01 | hi vlc cant play .avi here is codec out from ffmpeg maybe someone can help me with this http://debian.pastebin.com/d10d63c3f |
| 01:35.29 | ge0rge007 | i have done a fresh install with kde.I reall don'y like it and i want to completely remove it and install gnome.What command should i use? Until now i have tried "aptitude remove kde" and "aptitude remove kde-dekstop" but i dont think that is all |
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| 01:36.11 | Tramp | !tell ge0rge007 -about remove kde |
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| 01:37.09 | ge0rge007 | great fuctionality |
| 01:37.11 | ge0rge007 | thanks tramp! |
| 01:37.22 | Tramp | yw |
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| 01:45.49 | Ravi | hello |
| 01:46.20 | Ravi | I am a linux newbie (< an year)..start off with Ubuntu |
| 01:46.49 | Ravi | felt bloated..wanted to try the thing that Ubuntu was based on..and got stuck with Debian..and love it |
| 01:46.55 | Ravi | Debian Lenny Xfce |
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| 01:47.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Ravi: welcome |
| 01:47.39 | Ravi | One question about VMware/virtual box though...anyone can answer? |
| 01:47.45 | abrotman | just ask |
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| 01:48.04 | Ravi | I am currently dual booting Lenny/Windows XP..would like virtualize it... |
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| 01:48.22 | Ravi | so that I can fire Windows XP in Lenny, if/when I need it |
| 01:48.40 | Ravi | whats the best/fastest way to do this? |
| 01:48.56 | jpinx-eeepc | Ravi: yes you can do that with something like vbox |
| 01:48.58 | DanDare | Ravi, what i use is VMware player |
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| 01:49.13 | Ravi | I thought you have to pay for VMware? |
| 01:49.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Ravi about vbox |
| 01:49.25 | Ravi | (that's why I was inclining towards Virtual box) |
| 01:49.40 | DanDare | Ravi, not the player. With the player, for your only use it´s ok and free |
| 01:49.41 | jobonuch | why you want to use windows xp, ravi?, what apps you need? |
| 01:50.12 | DanDare | never tried virtual box but I should |
| 01:50.29 | smacnay | DanDare, very nice for me |
| 01:50.30 | Ravi | job: trust me, I'd love to dump Windoz at the first chance..but VPN connection to my work is only certified on IE..so I'm stuck with Micro$oft |
| 01:50.43 | EagleRock | DanDare: VMware server (the GSX version) is also free as long as you register with their site |
| 01:50.59 | DanDare | sounds interesting EagleRock |
| 01:51.19 | DanDare | hmm, im just done with vmware so... |
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| 01:51.21 | jobonuch | i guess you could get vpn working with wine |
| 01:51.50 | tensorpudding | vpnc supports some vpn |
| 01:51.55 | DanDare | i think I will never get rid of windowz |
| 01:51.55 | Ravi | job: tried wine...no luck...vpn tries to install some software before I can use remote desktop connection..didn't work in Lenny |
| 01:51.59 | tensorpudding | though not all kinds unfortunately |
| 01:52.10 | jpinx-eeepc | Ravi: I have heard that IE will run under wine, but I have no first-hand experience |
| 01:52.36 | Ravi | jpinx : IE does, yes..but not my work's VPN..not the full functionality, anyway |
| 01:52.40 | xiaomai | how can i determine which version of openvz the linux-image-openvz-686 package is? (apt-cahe show only gives me the kernel version) |
| 01:52.41 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: it's likely an ActiveX thing that does the VPN |
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| 01:53.04 | Ravi | abrot : correct...Juniper Networks or some such bs .. |
| 01:53.17 | abrotman | Ravi: i thought it worked with java too though ? |
| 01:53.21 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: fairysnuff - that'll bugger it:/ |
| 01:53.45 | EagleRock | Ravi: you mean a Juniper ssl-vpn? we use one of those at work ourselves |
| 01:53.59 | maxagaz | how to change the home folder path for a given user ? |
| 01:54.17 | Ravi | eagle : hmm...do you use their "Secure Application Manager" aka SAM? |
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| 01:54.32 | abrotman | man usermod |
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| 01:55.07 | abrotman | Ravi: hint .. if you type the first few characters of someone's nick and then hit <tab> .. it will complete |
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| 01:55.42 | Ravi | abrot : I did that...and it gave me "/msg dpkg" |
| 01:55.45 | Ravi | go figure :-) |
| 01:55.51 | Ravi | I am using ircii, btw |
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| 01:57.43 | Ravi | having said that...I'm worried about peformance if I were to take the Virtual route... |
| 01:57.58 | Ravi | apparently, lenny and win xp will have to share resources, I heard? |
| 01:58.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Ravi: obviously the virtual machine shares with the host |
| 01:58.39 | jobonuch | yes, and you may encounter difficulties getting vpn with virtualization, Ravi |
| 01:58.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Ravi: but it'll depend a bit on your hardware |
| 01:58.50 | Ravi | jobo : hmmm |
| 01:59.00 | jobonuch | isn't that simple xD |
| 01:59.11 | Ravi | so the very reason why I am switching to VMware may not work out, eh? |
| 01:59.26 | jobonuch | yes, it should, but with some conf |
| 01:59.48 | jobonuch | google it a bit before going for it |
| 01:59.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Ravi: keep your dual boot and work on the virtualisation till you're comfortable with it |
| 01:59.56 | Ravi | see .. if I can't work VPN to work withing Lenny's Windows XP, there's no point in going there.. |
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| 02:00.42 | Ravi | might as well live with Dual boot (I'm not complaining btw, it works beautifully..just trying to avoid the frequent boots, if I can) |
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| 02:01.23 | Ravi | do I have to reinstall Windows or can I use my existing windows installation? |
| 02:01.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Ravi: depending on your hardware, set up the vbox and see if you can get it configured |
| 02:01.43 | Ravi | if I decide to go with Virtual box in Lenny as the host..and Windows as the guest |
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| 02:02.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Ravi: you'de need to ask the guys in #vbox, but I have heard that it is possible to clone over the existing install on the same hardware, 'cos windows is more hardware sensitive |
| 02:03.33 | Ravi | #vbox on this same irc server? Or a different server? |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | this one |
| 02:03.44 | Ravi | Ok, thanks. |
| 02:05.13 | Ravi | changing topics...I'm quite happy with Lenny..just wondering when is the next release date planned? I understand debian doesn't have 6month release cycles like the Mighty-Brown one :-) |
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| 02:05.56 | Ravi | (Does Uttering the U* word get me kicked/banned here? :-) ) |
| 02:07.14 | tensorpudding | no |
| 02:07.25 | jpinx-eeepc | squeeze is due to be released in the not-too-distant future |
| 02:07.40 | jpinx-eeepc | next month maybe iirc |
| 02:07.44 | tensorpudding | really? |
| 02:07.54 | tensorpudding | lenny has only been stable for less than a year |
| 02:08.09 | jpinx-eeepc | !release dates |
| 02:08.09 | dpkg | from memory, release dates is Debian Release Dates: 0.93R6 1995-10-26, 1.1 "buzz" 1996-06-17, 1.2 "rex" 1996-12-12, 1.3 "bo" 1997-06-05, 2.0 "hamm" 1998-07-24, 2.1 "slink" 1999-03-09, 2.2 "potato" 2000-08-15, 3.0 "woody" 2002-07-19, 3.1 "sarge" 2005-06-06, 4.0 "etch" 2007-04-08, 5.0 "lenny" 2009-02-14 |
| 02:08.22 | jpinx-eeepc | !release |
| 02:08.22 | dpkg | Lenny was released on 2009-02-14. Lenny is Debian 5.0 and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <etch->lenny> or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ or <release history> for the latest (and historical) releases. |
| 02:08.25 | tensorpudding | yeah, a little over 9 months |
| 02:08.34 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: wtf .. no it's not .. not even close |
| 02:08.52 | tensorpudding | the shortest debian release cycle was closer to two years |
| 02:08.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmm - can't remember the factoid for squeeze release |
| 02:08.58 | abrotman | squeeze is not going to release next month .. |
| 02:09.01 | abrotman | it's not even frozen yet |
| 02:09.02 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 02:09.03 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a <freeze> starting in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>. |
| 02:09.18 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: ah - thanks:) |
| 02:09.21 | abrotman | and that's only tentative .. it still might not actually happen |
| 02:09.26 | Juul | wow, 2010, that's darn fast |
| 02:09.31 | abrotman | if it happens |
| 02:09.33 | tensorpudding | so there will be another ubuntu release by the time squeeze releases |
| 02:09.39 | abrotman | tensorpudding: so what? |
| 02:10.01 | tensorpudding | i'm not saying that's a problem, i'm just saying that it is true that ubuntu's release rate is much faster... |
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| 02:10.06 | abrotman | no shit ... |
| 02:10.14 | rincon | what should i use to easily edit a pdf document? |
| 02:10.18 | abrotman | are you saying it's better that an OS releases quickly and on a schedule ? |
| 02:10.20 | tensorpudding | there usually are about three ubuntu releases between every release of debian |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | rincon: pdfedit |
| 02:10.27 | jpinx-eeepc | keeps ubuntu users working hard ;) |
| 02:10.28 | abrotman | tensorpudding: which is dumb |
| 02:11.17 | tensorpudding | i disagree but this is not an appropriate thing to argue in this channel anyway |
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| 02:11.48 | abrotman | tensorpudding: you can argue it in #debian-offtopic |
| 02:12.13 | Ravi | oh crap..i didn't mean to start a fight :-( |
| 02:12.23 | rincon | abrotman: any other idea i do not understand pdfedit i installed but i can not edit the pdf |
| 02:12.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Ravi: so now you know when the next release *might* be ;) |
| 02:12.58 | abrotman | rincon: only thing i know of |
| 02:13.00 | Ravi | oh tes :-) |
| 02:13.09 | Ravi | yes rather |
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| 02:16.45 | meder | I'm on a fresh server, I'm trying to specify a timezone but it says dpkg-reconfigure is not installed. Should I just do aptitude install dpkg-reconfigure? Or is there a generic package I should install first? My command that I tried: Unknown command "dpkg-reconfigure" |
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| 02:18.47 | Titan8990 | meder, apt-get install debconf |
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| 02:19.00 | meder | Titan8990: it's already installed |
| 02:19.05 | meder | v1.5.24 |
| 02:19.12 | meder | as well as debconf-i18n |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | meder: are you root ? |
| 02:19.43 | Titan8990 | abrotman, you beat me to it |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | and use aptitude! |
| 02:20.04 | meder | I did use aptitude |
| 02:20.08 | meder | and I am root |
| 02:20.41 | abrotman | meder: so somehow you altered your path or deleted the binary |
| 02:20.53 | meder | bizarre |
| 02:20.57 | meder | it just started working |
| 02:21.00 | abrotman | okay |
| 02:21.08 | meder | i ssh'd as root |
| 02:21.15 | meder | i dont know what i did but now it works |
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| 02:23.04 | slope_ | I believe I've found a bug but I'm not sure in which package this happens. It has to do with "key presses repeat when the key is held down" not working after running snes9x until you go to keyboard settings in gnome and disable and then enable it again. how do you think I should file the bug? |
| 02:24.03 | jpinx-eeepc | slope_: gnome ? |
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| 02:30.25 | meder | ^ is important |
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| 02:45.34 | meder | can anyone point out some thorough, comprehensive debian server setup guides? |
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| 02:45.54 | meder | I'm actually in the process of writing my own because I couldn't find any decent up-to-date ones |
| 02:46.09 | meder | but maybe there are and I won't have to waste my time :p |
| 02:46.42 | abrotman | don't you thnik that depends on what kind of server it is ? |
| 02:48.32 | shulley | How do I add a user to a group from cmdline? |
| 02:49.47 | abrotman | man adduser |
| 02:49.58 | tensorpudding | gpasswd -a user group |
| 02:50.21 | shulley | thanks |
| 02:50.29 | tensorpudding | or if you forget syntax, you can hand-edit /etc/group |
| 02:50.51 | tensorpudding | since some machines don't have the same adduser and gpasswd behavior that is what i sometimes do |
| 02:51.22 | meder | abrotman: well yes, but i guess im mainly catering to noobs such as myself who want a decent basic web server with apache/php/mysql or in my case ill also do nginx/pylons |
| 02:51.32 | meder | but justsome general stuff like |
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| 02:51.44 | meder | no godamn guide/tutorial that ive seen has told you to install locales for example |
| 02:52.00 | meder | and that always brings a godamn prompt if you dont configure it |
| 02:52.05 | abrotman | meder: like .. aptitude install php5-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 mysql-server ? |
| 02:52.06 | meder | just miniscule crap like that |
| 02:52.23 | meder | abrotman: well, not just standard configurations |
| 02:52.24 | abrotman | if you got a machine without locales .. you did something wrong |
| 02:52.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | tensorpudding: then try useradd :) |
| 02:52.41 | meder | abrotman: lots of vps's dont have locales installed, that orlocales isnt configured correctly |
| 02:52.42 | tensorpudding | does useradd edit groups? |
| 02:52.51 | meder | and you get a warning that you need to reconfigure the locales because it's missing |
| 02:52.58 | shulley | tensorpudding, It doesnt work for me, useradd command not gound |
| 02:52.59 | meder | abrotman: i dont just mean a simple one liner to install all three of those either |
| 02:53.00 | shulley | found* |
| 02:53.09 | shulley | but gpasswd edit worked |
| 02:53.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | tensorpudding: no, groupadd does |
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| 02:53.16 | shulley | gpwassd* |
| 02:53.18 | meder | abrotman: i mean like, mini-guides on custom configurations like FastCGI, nginx, reverse proxying, etc |
| 02:53.28 | meder | not only the super standard way |
| 02:53.35 | abrotman | meder: these things have documentation |
| 02:53.37 | tensorpudding | gpasswd isn't installed by default on openbsd, and i can't remember if useradd is default on debian |
| 02:53.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | isnt lamp a task? |
| 02:54.04 | Kamping_Kaiser | 'web server' is. |
| 02:54.05 | meder | abrotman: but then what would the point of a guide be if all one did was read docs |
| 02:54.35 | meder | a guide is there to sort of mix in instructions from docs + mixing docs together or apps together |
| 02:54.39 | tensorpudding | but /etc/group exists and does the same thing in both |
| 02:54.49 | abrotman | meder: actually understanding |
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| 02:58.14 | meder | abrotman: what do you think are the very first things one should do when ssh'd in to a "fresh" server? |
| 02:58.22 | meder | aptitude update? locales setup? anything else? |
| 02:58.31 | meder | setup a non-root user.. |
| 02:58.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | "rm -rf /"? |
| 02:58.40 | meder | sarcasm-- |
| 02:58.42 | meder | :) |
| 02:58.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | scnr |
| 02:58.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | install etckeeper |
| 02:58.59 | meder | customize vim |
| 02:59.05 | meder | or install vim :p |
| 02:59.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant... "whatever you like"? |
| 02:59.07 | tensorpudding | setup non-root user, config groups, create locales, set timezone if it's not working already, setup ntpd, install a decent editor |
| 02:59.14 | abrotman | meder: it's your server .. you tell me .. don't follow some guide |
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| 02:59.28 | tensorpudding | aptitude update, and install the programs you actually need |
| 02:59.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | (even if "whatever you like" equals "rm -rf /") |
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| 03:00.24 | tensorpudding | sudo would be nice |
| 03:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | meder, log in as the 1st user and do everything what mr. typical would do? Fix/install things that are broken/missing? |
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| 03:00.58 | abrotman | oh, that's what i'd do .. aptitude purge sudo |
| 03:01.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 03:01.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's still not installed by default, is it? |
| 03:01.19 | jpinx-eeepc | meder: depends what the server is going to be used for |
| 03:01.39 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
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| 03:01.56 | jpinx-eeepc | meder: but changing ssh to not accept root logins would be very close to the top of my list;) |
| 03:01.59 | meder | it depends on what settings you specified when you install it, how barebones it is |
| 03:02.01 | sweetandy | I've got a problem. Apt wants to auto-remove lots of my favorite packages... things like gnome-panel, evince, eog, gdm, unzip, gedit, many more... How can I tell apt to un-auto-remove ALL currently marked packages? |
| 03:02.09 | meder | should one setup a user before aptitude update? |
| 03:02.19 | meder | i'd probably list the first thing as aptitude update |
| 03:02.22 | meder | then make a new user |
| 03:02.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmpf... memo to self, don't ask questions in a way that a simple yes/no is ambiguous |
| 03:02.39 | tensorpudding | it won't hurt to do one or the other first |
| 03:02.44 | meder | yeah that's true |
| 03:02.53 | meder | but as you are initially root, why not aptitude update |
| 03:02.55 | abrotman | remove sudo! |
| 03:03.11 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell sweetandy about pinning |
| 03:03.16 | meder | and are there any aptitude commands you do initially other than update? |
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| 03:03.21 | meder | should you upgrade? |
| 03:03.43 | tensorpudding | upgrade would catch all the security updates |
| 03:03.47 | meder | yeah. |
| 03:03.56 | meder | that's important, right? so update, upgrade, then new user for instance |
| 03:04.12 | jpinx-eeepc | meder: after you have disabled root logins, create the user for ssh logins and allow it *only* |
| 03:04.17 | tensorpudding | though a lot of software that would have updates isn't necessarily installed by default, depending on what you selected to install |
| 03:04.23 | abrotman | only if your sources.list are configured correctly .. if it's old box and the moron running it before had your sources.list pointing at stable instead of codename, you've just messed the box |
| 03:04.33 | meder | heh |
| 03:04.35 | tensorpudding | yes yes, configure ssh to disable root at least |
| 03:04.56 | abrotman | disable sudo! |
| 03:05.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | setup daily backups using /dev/null as the tape device... |
| 03:05.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | (because it's SO much faster) |
| 03:05.37 | jpinx-eeepc | installs sudo in abrotman and then purges him |
| 03:05.41 | tensorpudding | this is a fresh install, you don't have to worry about cruft right? |
| 03:06.04 | abrotman | he said 'fresh' .. whatever that means |
| 03:06.17 | abrotman | fresh to me? or fresh to the world? |
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| 03:06.22 | tensorpudding | i take that to mean a clean install that wiped out all vestiges of the old system |
| 03:06.22 | action09 | hi all, anyone has a problem like this ? i have ana apache server that refuse to start: "(98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:443" see bug (?): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=325594 |
| 03:07.19 | meder | by fresh i meant the script that the vps host setup to do the distro "install" |
| 03:07.24 | meder | heh |
| 03:07.30 | tensorpudding | or maybe no install was there before at all |
| 03:07.30 | action09 | help will be greatly appreciated :) |
| 03:08.06 | abrotman | meder: that's not 'fresh' to me |
| 03:08.18 | meder | in the eyes of a noob that's fresh |
| 03:08.24 | meder | this guide is mainly for noobs and intermediates |
| 03:08.32 | abrotman | really? so lots of noobs just go out and buy a Debian VPS ? |
| 03:08.36 | meder | lol |
| 03:08.39 | abrotman | thought not |
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| 03:10.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course! it's all the rage these days! |
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| 03:11.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's the mass-movement of the 00ers |
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| 03:14.14 | Diilbert | I am having a strange issue with passwordless su under 5.0. I enabled "auth sufficent pam_wheel.so trust" under /etc/pam.d/su added my user to the wheel group. Where I su under that user I get the root prompt, but as soon as I type something it autofills the word exit and kicks me out of su mode |
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| 03:14.55 | Diilbert | I am running this on another lenny system without issue, it is however an upgrade from etch stable, so the configuration was carried over |
| 03:14.58 | Diilbert | any ideas? |
| 03:15.57 | Diilbert | This is weirdly enough difficult to google, so I have not been able to find any type of solution |
| 03:16.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Diilbert: etch to lenny you mean :p |
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| 03:16.25 | lhx_ | test |
| 03:16.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Diilbert: and did you follow the guide on upgrading? |
| 03:16.39 | jpinx-eeepc | lhx_: fail |
| 03:16.47 | Diilbert | jpinx-eeepc: The current system that _is_ working fine was etch and is not lenny. |
| 03:16.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mega-fail |
| 03:16.52 | lhx_ | jpinx-eeepc: heheh... just switched my irssi theme... |
| 03:16.57 | tensorpudding | lhx_: pong |
| 03:17.03 | lhx_ | tensorpudding: danke |
| 03:17.04 | Diilbert | jpinx-eeepc: The non-working system is a free install |
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| 03:17.11 | Diilbert | free = fresh |
| 03:17.16 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Diilbert about etch->lenny |
| 03:17.21 | simonrvn | ping-pong |
| 03:17.35 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: pongs :| |
| 03:17.37 | tensorpudding | simonrvn: | . | |
| 03:17.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ding-dong, ding-dong |
| 03:18.47 | Diilbert | jpinx-eeepc: I am confused what my upgraded system has to do with my _non working_ lenny system? This was a fresh install with Lenny out of the gate |
| 03:19.14 | jpinx-eeepc | Diilbert: you brought it up - not mei |
| 03:19.21 | simonrvn | tensorpudding: | . | |
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| 03:19.41 | tensorpudding | | . | |
| 03:19.45 | tensorpudding | err whoops |
| 03:19.55 | tensorpudding | | | . |
| 03:19.56 | tensorpudding | doh |
| 03:20.08 | simonrvn | haha you missed |
| 03:20.11 | Diilbert | jpinx-eeepc: I was just mentioning that I have seen it working correctly on one system but this other one does not want to cooperate. |
| 03:20.23 | jpinx-eeepc | tensorpudding: take it to #debian-offtopic ;) |
| 03:20.27 | simonrvn | s:1 t:0 |
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| 03:22.10 | stealth- | is debian rolling release? |
| 03:22.19 | tensorpudding | no |
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| 03:22.38 | stealth- | k, can you recommend a good server distro thats rolling release? I'm thinking gentoo |
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| 03:23.07 | tensorpudding | i would think that rolling release would be diametrically opposed to stable server software |
| 03:23.14 | jpinx-eeepc | stealth-: rolling release and good server are mutually exclusive |
| 03:23.16 | eaglerock_ | debian testing technically is a rolling release,but any rolling release is going to be unstable |
| 03:23.21 | simonrvn | sniffs ... *sniff* *sniff* smells like troll |
| 03:23.28 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
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| 03:23.37 | jpinx-eeepc | rolling trolling |
| 03:23.38 | tensorpudding | arch linux is a nice rolling-release distro but I can't say I'd recommend it for servers |
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| 03:24.01 | abrotman | stealth-: try ##linux |
| 03:24.24 | stealth- | I suppose your right abrotman, I guess i'd get kind of a biased opinion here. Lol, thanks |
| 03:24.31 | abrotman | you're |
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| 03:25.23 | simonrvn | hm, my nose must be off |
| 03:25.24 | tensorpudding | #debian? biased? that's unpossible |
| 03:25.40 | pickcoder | great grammer in here tonight |
| 03:25.51 | simonrvn | and spelling |
| 03:26.00 | abrotman | i think that was intended |
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| 03:26.13 | pickcoder | intendered? |
| 03:26.16 | simonrvn | (probably ;) |
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| 03:26.40 | simonrvn | goes back to his bear svg |
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| 03:26.49 | pickcoder | is anything here intended... or is it impulsive |
| 03:27.00 | lhx_ | ? |
| 03:27.14 | tensorpudding | this channel is completely random |
| 03:27.17 | pickcoder | markybob is excluded from that... :) |
| 03:27.42 | pickcoder | random? |
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| 03:30.17 | pickcoder | abrotman: IBM sold Universe and UniData to Rocket Software... good bye recognized brand |
| 03:30.46 | pickcoder | "so.. what database do you use..." uh.. Universe from Rocket Software? |
| 03:31.07 | pickcoder | isn't joking.. unfortunately |
| 03:31.31 | abrotman | further proof it's dying! |
| 03:32.02 | pickcoder | like it has been since the 70s.. |
| 03:32.15 | pickcoder | it's like the leaky faucet that no one wants to replace |
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| 03:32.47 | pickcoder | it works great and is an amazing piece of mechanical brilliance, but man.. it's just too tight to get in there to fix it |
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| 03:37.28 | tensorpudding | I remember when IBM made laptops |
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| 03:40.57 | abrotman | like four years ago .. amazing ... |
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| 03:44.05 | ik3 | im having an strange problem in squeeze 2.6.30 and the snd-hda-intel module, i've been googleing the past few days, i found some info but no solution any idea?? |
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| 03:49.30 | pickcoder | ik3: the crystal ball is broken |
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| 03:57.20 | slick6661 | hello all is there a channel for arm specific debian questons? |
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| 03:59.30 | abrotman | slick6661: there's an ARM channel on OFTC |
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| 04:00.19 | slick6661 | OFTC? like irc.debian.org |
| 04:00.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:00.33 | abrotman | !arm |
| 04:00.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. The Debian arm port has been deprecated by <armel> and is no longer present in testing or unstable. |
| 04:00.52 | slick6661 | ah |
| 04:00.53 | pflanze | Is there a compressed read-write filesystem that's recommended for usb flash disks? |
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| 04:01.33 | pflanze | Or any at all--I've seen ext2 patches but they don't seem to be in Debian, so nothing I'd like to use I guess. |
| 04:02.31 | meder | is there a command you can use to see if a package is installed |
| 04:02.41 | meder | other than going into aptitude and seeing for yourself |
| 04:02.45 | meder | or trying to execute it |
| 04:02.47 | meder | :p |
| 04:02.51 | meder | i guess its better to execute it |
| 04:02.52 | meder | doh |
| 04:03.20 | pflanze | dpkg -s $name |
| 04:03.20 | dpkg | Package: $name: Status: install ok installed |
| 04:03.29 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg -l | grep <packagename> |
| 04:03.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep <packagename> |
| 04:03.45 | jpinx-eeepc | !bot |
| 04:03.45 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 04:03.57 | pickcoder | pflanze: what is the issue with using FAT32 or EXT2? |
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| 04:04.15 | pflanze | ext2 is fine, but I'm asking for compression |
| 04:04.17 | rgr | How do-able would it be to convert this working lenny install on my laptop to an encrypted system? Its not using LVM (unfortunately I daresay). |
| 04:04.27 | pflanze | This is going to be the rootfs of an old laptop. |
| 04:05.10 | pickcoder | squashfs? |
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| 04:05.20 | pflanze | squashfs is readonly. |
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| 04:05.50 | pickcoder | oh yeah |
| 04:06.44 | pflanze | (And last time I checked the userspace tools and the kernel couldn't agree on understanding the same format) |
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| 04:08.13 | joeyy | whats the package called in debian 5 for sshguard |
| 04:08.17 | pickcoder | compress and image it and load it into tmpfs after boot? |
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| 04:08.52 | pickcoder | s/after/before |
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| 04:09.25 | pflanze | pickcoder: you're fantasizing, right? |
| 04:09.54 | muri_one | does anyone know what the default delay in htop is? |
| 04:11.07 | joeyy | whats the package called in debian 5 for sshguard |
| 04:11.19 | pflanze | pickcoder: well, I guess I made out what you suggest, write it zipped to the stick then on boot decompress; but, the stick is 8G and the ram is a half. |
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| 04:11.25 | rgr | didnt know about sshguard |
| 04:11.31 | muri_one | I wish it said something in the manpage. There is a flag to change it, but I'd like a reference so I don't have to start guessing wildly |
| 04:11.36 | pickcoder | pflanze: then yeah I'm wishful suggesting |
| 04:11.43 | pflanze | pickcoder: aside from that, how would changes make it back to the stick.. |
| 04:12.12 | pflanze | There was this compressed block device, but last time that didn't work either. |
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| 04:12.12 | pickcoder | you'd have to add a pre-halt script to compress it and write it back as a blob |
| 04:12.30 | pickcoder | never done it, though |
| 04:13.04 | pickcoder | pflanze: you can patch the ext2/3 module and build a new kernel package |
| 04:13.55 | pflanze | stop wishing me, I've all said. I don't want to patch the kernel with something that's not even available in Debian I said. |
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| 04:14.00 | dr3mro | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8352033 |
| 04:14.15 | muri_one | is there a process viewer that has more features and is more user friendly than top, but isn't quite as cpu intensive as htop? |
| 04:14.21 | pflanze | I'll go with plain ext2 instead if there's nothing good. |
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| 04:14.52 | pickcoder | you've ruled out the fuse stuff, so I dunno what to suggest |
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| 04:15.33 | dserban | I can't get sun java6 to work inside of iceweasel. Is there a secret handshake to get the plugin to work? It works fine in sid, doesn't in lenny. |
| 04:15.50 | joeyy | whats a good program to install to block fail sshd logins ? |
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| 04:16.24 | jamon | joeyy: fail2ban or denyhosts are easy, also recommened nonly using ssh keys |
| 04:16.41 | dserban | The plugin is there (inside iceweasel) it doesn't run, looks like it can't download class files. I get an error everytime I run a test java applet |
| 04:16.49 | jpinx-eeepc | joeyy: fail2ban |
| 04:17.26 | pickcoder | it's also great for Apache and Postfix |
| 04:19.03 | jpinx-eeepc | dserban: I followed a complicated process to install java runtime environment - is that what youa re looking for? |
| 04:19.50 | dserban | jpinx-eeepc: I think so, well it seems to be installed, but fails to work. I can't find related bugs on b.d.o or via google. Do you have a link for information on your process? |
| 04:20.31 | jpinx-eeepc | dserban: I got the install how-to from sun's own website |
| 04:20.45 | dserban | crazy... not using the deb packages? |
| 04:21.13 | jpinx-eeepc | dserban: no - I did it the hard way - but it works without trouble:) |
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| 04:21.41 | dserban | hah |
| 04:21.52 | dserban | ok i'll go try finding it on sun's site |
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| 04:22.21 | Tronic | I am writing a library that needs to install various .cmake files that CMake can use to locate the library. |
| 04:22.26 | jpinx-eeepc | dserban: http://www.java.com/en/download/help/5000010500.xml |
| 04:22.33 | Tronic | Is there a Debian policy for where these files should be put? |
| 04:22.39 | dserban | jpinx-eeepc: thanks a bunch |
| 04:22.50 | Tronic | CMake docs suggest lib/mylib/ |
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| 04:23.18 | dserban | jpinx-eeepc: and this works with its plugin inside of iceweasel? |
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| 04:26.16 | jpinx-eeepc | dserban: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-java-runtime-environment-jre-in-ubuntu.html |
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| 04:27.07 | jpinx-eeepc | dserban: etc - google for more ;) |
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| 04:29.10 | pickcoder | pflanze: there is a zfs-fuse package in sid |
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| 04:31.58 | pflanze | pickcoder: interesting; but how ready for prime time is this? |
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| 04:32.26 | pflanze | (And although this is in userspace and hence a little less critical than kernel patches, if I'm going to run the rootfs on it, it comes down to the same thing) |
| 04:33.21 | pflanze | Wondering if they do it from scratch or adapting opensolaris' driver |
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| 04:33.49 | pickcoder | well it is in Sid.. not Squeeze. |
| 04:33.50 | KTL | how can i do a lazy copy of a files? |
| 04:34.06 | pickcoder | so it's still unstable |
| 04:34.13 | pflanze | KTL: you know hardlinks? |
| 04:34.20 | KTL | rsync can do it a bit but is not as user-friendly as cp |
| 04:34.41 | KTL | pflanze, i really want copying, but it only if the file isnt there yet |
| 04:34.56 | KTL | s/it// |
| 04:35.20 | pflanze | KTL: write a wrapper script around rsync that passes it all the options you want and then call it "my-lazy-cp"? |
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| 04:35.52 | KTL | myes that was my plan but it would have a bunch of quirks, hoped that someone else did this before |
| 04:36.24 | KTL | (i see rsync as dangerous, might delete things ) |
| 04:36.52 | pflanze | which quirks? "lazy copying"? If you don't specify what you want, how should anyone help you? |
| 04:36.57 | pickcoder | why would rsync remove anything unless you tell it to remove the source?? |
| 04:37.05 | pickcoder | that is not the default behavior |
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| 04:37.17 | Roland- | hey, no mysql devel? |
| 04:37.29 | pflanze | libmysql*dev ? |
| 04:38.10 | KTL | not just not best-friends with rsync |
| 04:38.22 | KTL | s/not// |
| 04:38.28 | Roland- | ah yeah was lookibgfor mysq-dev |
| 04:39.47 | KTL | mmm /me found a quirk in his own script |
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| 04:46.04 | meder | hey - what should i do if i installed packages without locales dpkg being properly configured? |
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| 04:46.18 | meder | do i need to re-configure every single package or am i fine when i install locales, then dpkg reconfigure locales ? |
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| 04:49.00 | KTL | pflanze, pickcoder, i experimented a little bit with cp mapname mapname2 , added slashes at the end of the mapnames, for cp the adding of slashes didnt seem to make a difference |
| 04:49.07 | KTL | for rsync it makes a diff |
| 04:49.27 | KTL | and in the case of 2 slashes it does something different compared to cp |
| 04:50.10 | pflanze | KTL: a safe way to deal with dir paths so that cp and rsync act the same is end them in /. |
| 04:50.15 | pflanze | slash and dot |
| 04:50.30 | joeyy | anyone know of a kernel auto script |
| 04:50.47 | KTL | thanks |
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| 04:51.02 | pflanze | joeyy: what's that? |
| 04:52.22 | joeyy | a script that will auto detect ur hardware |
| 04:53.30 | simonrvn | wonders what's wrong with lspci |
| 04:53.39 | pflanze | <l33t mode>how am 1 supposed to know that u mean that when you don't say?</l33t> |
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| 04:53.54 | pickcoder | simonrvn: it's not kudzu?? |
| 04:54.34 | pflanze | joeyy: more to the point, why are you asking for something that *probably* nobody has ever heard (I may be wrong, of course) |
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| 04:54.52 | KTL | lspci? |
| 04:55.02 | KTL | (ignore that_ |
| 04:55.04 | pickcoder | joeyy: udev handles most of the hardware detection |
| 04:55.15 | simonrvn | pickcoder: or discover ;) |
| 04:55.20 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 04:55.50 | pflanze | And I thought udev only creates devices of discovered hardware? |
| 04:55.59 | pflanze | for, even |
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| 04:58.13 | pickcoder | I saw it outside raking leaves today |
| 04:58.36 | simonrvn | what discover was raking up kudzu leaves? |
| 04:58.37 | pickcoder | scary too.. because there were multiple piles of the same leaves |
| 04:59.03 | simonrvn | a make-work project! |
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| 05:16.23 | meder | if a system doesn't have locales setup, and if I know that doing apt-get install locales will bring forth warnings about how LC_ALL is not setup, should I do it anyway, or should I manually do something like export LC_ALL=US.utf8 or whatever? |
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| 05:17.09 | shivraj | how can I test to see if I have any binary blobs on my computer ? |
| 05:17.14 | joeyy | how do use rssh on a user |
| 05:17.14 | shivraj | oh thats right my bios |
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| 05:19.19 | JJOliver | Hi peeps, i was wondering if there is a real easy way to e mail a file |
| 05:19.58 | JJOliver | I'm using screen via ssh into a friends comp 1000 miles away and I have no idea how to transfer a file over. |
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| 05:21.24 | dkr | scp |
| 05:21.40 | JJOliver | dkr: would it not be easier to e-mail the file? |
| 05:22.13 | dkr | I never know how to answer negative questions. :) |
| 05:22.16 | JJOliver | as I don't know the path back to this computer. |
| 05:22.41 | JJOliver | sorry for my gramm. (-: |
| 05:22.42 | shivraj | JJOliver: scp blah.txt user@host:~ |
| 05:22.46 | dkr | if you got there via ssh you can scp to the same address |
| 05:23.19 | JJOliver | dkr: only i sshed into the computer i want the file from. |
| 05:23.21 | JJOliver | not to. |
| 05:23.30 | dkr | so swap the order of src and destination |
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| 05:23.49 | dkr | scp user@host:/path/to/file . |
| 05:24.11 | dkr | to copy it from remote host to the current dir |
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| 05:25.36 | JJOliver | okay thanks. |
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| 05:28.57 | shivraj | dkr: is it possible to copy a file between two remote machines ? like that flash ftp program from back in the days ? |
| 05:29.12 | shivraj | between two remote machines |
| 05:29.23 | dkr | yes, but it still comes through the machine you are running scp on |
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| 05:30.54 | dkr | but ssh host1 scp file host2 is not much easier than scp host1:file host2: ;) |
| 05:31.12 | dkr | or harder |
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| 05:33.06 | shivraj | dkr: Im lazy plus I wasnt sure if that works |
| 05:33.44 | dkr | you can also scp to the same machine! |
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| 05:43.48 | tictac | how can i get around hash sum mismatches using dpkg? |
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| 05:46.39 | simonrvn | wonders why you'd want to work around a security feature |
| 05:47.10 | tictac | i mean fix the problem thats causing them. |
| 05:47.15 | tictac | W: Failed to fetch http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/dists/squeeze/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
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| 05:52.09 | simonrvn | tictac: oh, just wait a bit then try updating again |
| 05:53.05 | tictac | simonrvn: thats been the case for about 3 days now |
| 05:53.17 | simonrvn | switch mirror then |
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| 06:08.13 | luke3321 | Hey guys, I am trying to use LaTeX (texlive as the package is called), but the latex executable only will output pdf's... from all I have read it should put out DVIs by default |
| 06:08.15 | luke3321 | any help? |
| 06:09.28 | tensorpudding | luke3321: probably latex is a softlink to pdflatex |
| 06:09.46 | luke3321 | tensorpudding: Yeah, it is. No sooner do I ask for help do I see that |
| 06:10.12 | luke3321 | any idea how to divert it to the normal latex interpreter? |
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| 06:10.55 | tensorpudding | though, i'm running latex on a document and it seems to be outputting a dvi... |
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| 06:11.22 | tensorpudding | are you running lenny? |
| 06:11.27 | luke3321 | squeeze |
| 06:11.44 | tensorpudding | what exactly is latex a symlink to? |
| 06:11.57 | luke3321 | The wierd thing is, it uotput a dvi for a while, then one run later (with not changes) it put out a pdf |
| 06:12.14 | luke3321 | lemme check for sure |
| 06:12.20 | tensorpudding | apparently it's a symlink to pdftex |
| 06:12.26 | tensorpudding | which has a dvi output mode |
| 06:12.48 | luke3321 | yeah, symlink to pdftex |
| 06:12.49 | tensorpudding | and it seems that on my machien dvi mode is default |
| 06:12.58 | luke3321 | wierd.... |
| 06:13.27 | tensorpudding | though i'm curious how it defines which mode to use |
| 06:13.30 | tensorpudding | the man page is cryptic |
| 06:14.24 | luke3321 | Yeah, trying to read through it right now... Not very useful |
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| 06:15.16 | tensorpudding | there is an -output-format flag |
| 06:15.20 | tensorpudding | that chooses it |
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| 06:16.02 | tensorpudding | yeah |
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| 06:16.21 | tensorpudding | using latex -output-format dvi outputs a dvi, and with it set to pdf, it does a pdf |
| 06:16.28 | luke3321 | Yeah... wonder how the default is set tho.... |
| 06:16.33 | tensorpudding | try specifying the dvi explicitly |
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| 06:17.13 | tensorpudding | i've used emacs for latex, and there they have a pdf-mode that uses pdflatex instead of latex so i've never used latex directly |
| 06:17.49 | luke3321 | yea... -output-format dvi still makes a pdf.... |
| 06:18.54 | tensorpudding | that's really strange... |
| 06:19.07 | maxagaz | how to allow a user to browse only his folder ? |
| 06:19.09 | tensorpudding | is there any indication why? |
| 06:19.16 | tensorpudding | in the output that pdftex gives |
| 06:19.53 | luke3321 | nope.... clean |
| 06:19.57 | luke3321 | this is strange |
| 06:20.08 | luke3321 | I have have a hunch, let me check it really quick |
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| 06:21.38 | luke3321 | yep |
| 06:21.43 | luke3321 | found the problem |
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| 06:22.18 | luke3321 | deep inside one of the packages I was using it was making a call to force the use of pdf over dvi |
| 06:22.39 | LOL_WAR | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:22.42 | LOL_WAR | "I like to go with the latest trendy things and pretend I know about Linux but I need my hand held and can't handle a real os" Distros: debian |
| 06:22.54 | LOL_WAR | User friendly or "noob" Distros: *buntu, Mint, Arch, Crunchbang, Fedora, Debian |
| 06:23.02 | tensorpudding | luke3321: ah, how annoying |
| 06:23.06 | LOL_WAR | What? Oh I forgot about those, no one cares" Distros: OpenSUSE, Sabayon, PCLinuxOS, Mandriva, Lunar, Xandros, debian |
| 06:23.13 | tensorpudding | though honestly, i don't much like dvi over pdf |
| 06:23.21 | LOL_WAR | Laughably useless in the real world: Windows, Mac OS X, Arch, debian |
| 06:23.31 | Psi-Jack | LOL_WAR: Uhhh, You call Arch a "noob" or user friendly distro? |
| 06:23.50 | luke3321 | tensorpudding: Yeah, me either, it just bugged me that latex wasn't behaving itself |
| 06:24.00 | LOL_WAR | well |
| 06:24.01 | Psi-Jack | LOL_WAR: Oh, and I use openSUSE, so, yeah. OpenSUSE's actually on the top 10 distrowatch list, and remains there for longer than most. |
| 06:24.01 | LOL_WAR | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:24.11 | tensorpudding | don't feed the troll |
| 06:24.25 | Psi-Jack | tensorpudding: Good point. |
| 06:24.28 | LOL_WAR | also I heard the rolling release type updates is terribly unstable, breaking systems since they do not test new releases. :( |
| 06:25.20 | LOL_WAR | but debian is just a trendy "I pretend to know about Linux but need my hand held" distro. I heard it's a user friendly or "noob" distro that is laughably useless in the real world. Is this true...? |
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| 06:26.07 | Psi-Jack | !ops LOL_WAR trolling? ;) |
| 06:26.08 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: psi-jack complains about: LOL_WAR trolling? ;) |
| 06:26.17 | LOL_WAR | how am i tolling |
| 06:26.18 | Psi-Jack | Oh the !ops here doesn't page. |
| 06:26.34 | LOL_WAR | wow you are a newbie alright, is this what your userbase is made up of? |
| 06:26.38 | LOL_WAR | people like psi-jack? |
| 06:26.48 | Psi-Jack | LOL_WAR: disinformation, stupidity, random useless rambling. |
| 06:27.02 | LOL_WAR | um this information comes from serveral system administrators i knwo |
| 06:27.29 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, betcha they have lots of paper claiming their level of administration skills too. |
| 06:27.47 | LOL_WAR | so is psy-jack your average debian user? |
| 06:27.52 | cahoot | Psi-Jack: why do you insist on feeding the troll? |
| 06:28.12 | Psi-Jack | shrugs and just casts /ignore on the troll. |
| 06:28.48 | LOL_WAR | rude. this is the way you treat people looking to find out information on your distro?" |
| 06:29.03 | Psi-Jack | My apologies, #debian. I was just noticing, thanks to splunk, the time on some of our business servers were ahead of schedule so I was setting up ntp, then I saw the troll. |
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| 06:46.57 | PARLIAMENT | as a normal user do I have an auto-generated private key somewhere? |
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| 06:48.03 | meder | Don't think so |
| 06:48.07 | meder | Check ~/.ssh |
| 06:48.14 | meder | Pretty sure you have to manually build it |
| 06:48.31 | PARLIAMENT | ok yeah I don't have an .ssh or .ssh2 |
| 06:48.37 | PARLIAMENT | thanks |
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| 06:59.47 | hid3nax | Morning everyone. Seems my switch is hung up. Is there any way to fore my PC's NIC to show to a switch that 'link is down' and then take it up again without touching the cables/switch? `ifconfig ethX down' and later doing 'up' shows the "link is up" in dmesg but it doesn't show that the link has been taken down... |
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| 07:00.05 | hid3nax | Hope that might somehow reset the switch's hung port.. |
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| 07:06.04 | JoshH | when did flashplugin-nonfree get taken out of stable |
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| 07:07.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | my moneys on security issues |
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| 07:08.02 | asmodeus_ | !kill Obama |
| 07:08.03 | dpkg | chops Obama's head off with a Knoppix CD |
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| 07:10.03 | asmodeus_ | !shoot _aiiiiiii |
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| 07:11.58 | Agiofws | where do i TELL mutt to open links with a specific browser ? |
| 07:12.27 | asmodeus_ | !slash Agiofws for asking such a question |
| 07:12.27 | dpkg | slices Agiofws for asking such a question in two with a samurai sword. |
| 07:12.38 | Agiofws | ok ok |
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| 07:13.29 | asmodeus_ | !kick M06w for joining debian |
| 07:13.29 | dpkg | kicks M06w for joining debian in the crotch. |
| 07:14.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | Agiofws: muttrc probably |
| 07:14.44 | JoshH | mailcap |
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| 07:16.34 | asmodeus_ | !kill radoe for changing name |
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| 07:32.24 | kawasaki | O.o |
| 07:32.30 | asmodeus_ | !kill kawasaki |
| 07:32.30 | dpkg | rips off kawasaki's balls with a whip |
| 07:32.39 | kawasaki | omg |
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| 07:32.50 | ddalton_ | I'm not sure if my last message got through but i reinstalled pidgin, and now when i try and add account, it doesnt show any protocols in the drop down box |
| 07:32.54 | kawasaki | thats rude |
| 07:33.02 | asmodeus_ | !good boy |
| 07:33.03 | dpkg | asmodeus_: :) |
| 07:33.15 | kawasaki | hello |
| 07:33.20 | kawasaki | !hello |
| 07:33.20 | dpkg | Hi, kawasaki! |
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| 07:33.32 | kawasaki | !dumb bot |
| 07:33.32 | dpkg | no, stupid kawasaki |
| 07:33.37 | kawasaki | xD |
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| 07:33.49 | kawasaki | !lol |
| 07:33.49 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 07:33.54 | orgthingy | !kill me |
| 07:33.54 | dpkg | rips orgthingy open with a free AOL CD |
| 07:34.08 | kawasaki | !beer |
| 07:34.08 | dpkg | rumour has it, beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 07:34.17 | kawasaki | naissss |
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| 07:34.46 | kawasaki | save water, drink beer |
| 07:34.58 | ddalton_ | wow this chan is bloated |
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| 07:40.26 | ddalton_ | anyone? |
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| 07:40.38 | tomodachi | hi can i upgrade from debian 3.0 directly to 5.0? |
| 07:40.41 | tomodachi | with dist-upgrade |
| 07:40.50 | tomodachi | or do i need to upgrade between all releases? |
| 07:41.25 | ddalton_ | tomodachi: nah that should be fine |
| 07:41.42 | ddalton_ | just pull the latest |
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| 07:41.50 | tomodachi | should? or IS fine? :) |
| 07:42.31 | ddalton_ | hahhaa well u can never be certain with anything; the probability isn't "certain" in the case, but "very likely"...what do u expect to go wrong tthen? |
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| 07:42.49 | tomodachi | i just want to be certain my fw will still be stable |
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| 07:43.09 | ddalton_ | fw? |
| 07:43.12 | tomodachi | firewall |
| 07:43.26 | ddalton_ | right |
| 07:43.30 | tomodachi | of course thats not something anyone can guarantee... |
| 07:44.05 | hark | tomodachi: you have to upgrade to sarge first, then etch and finally lenny. read the corresponding release notes for each |
| 07:44.08 | ddalton_ | exactly, so if u dont wanna create problems, dont upgrade, bugs may have introduced, but most likely it will all go smoothly, ull have to make a choice |
| 07:44.42 | ddalton_ | but its just pulling packages and installing a new version of tons of packages, so why does it matter what version u installer with, ur just saving urself about a gb of download if u just go straight to 5 |
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| 07:46.36 | tomodachi | i have two different options here .. |
| 07:46.36 | tomodachi | hmm |
| 07:46.41 | ddalton_ | im off so make ur mind up alone:) |
| 07:46.43 | ddalton_ | good luck |
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| 07:47.14 | tomodachi | thnx |
| 07:47.19 | tomodachi | think i need to google a bit more |
| 07:47.53 | MOUSE2 | I am in need of assitance. Whenever I try and install soemthing with apt-get or aptitude I get an error. aptitude: error while loading shared libraries: libgcc_s.so.1: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 |
| 07:47.53 | hark | tomodachi: ignore ddalton's advice. you are almost certain to break your install if you skip that many releases |
| 07:48.33 | MOUSE2 | This all started after I installed COD4 linux server binaries to my gamebox. |
| 07:48.34 | tomodachi | its from 3-5 |
| 07:48.35 | tomodachi | k. |
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| 07:48.56 | hark | !skip upgrade |
| 07:48.56 | dpkg | Skipping releases when upgrading (e.g. sarge->lenny or etch->squeeze) is not supported; however, skip-upgrading from lenny to squeeze+1 (which should be released in early 2012) will be supported. See http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 07:49.22 | tomodachi | thnx |
| 07:49.29 | tomodachi | i will be getting right to it! |
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| 07:50.01 | Agiofws | hello |
| 07:50.01 | MOUSE2 | can anyone help me? |
| 07:50.03 | Agiofws | would you guys know how to set your default browser in gnome terminal ? |
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| 07:50.41 | hark | MOUSE2: looks like you installed 32 bit binaries on your 64 bit system |
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| 07:51.05 | hark | Agiofws: try update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 07:51.16 | MOUSE2 | yes I was thinking that. But my problem now is. how should I go about fixing it? |
| 07:51.25 | Agiofws | hark, i do not understand that |
| 07:51.55 | hark | Agiofws: run it as root |
| 07:52.48 | Agiofws | exactly that command ? |
| 07:53.22 | hark | Agiofws: how can you not know of alternatives if you've been using debian for so long? |
| 07:53.30 | hark | !alternatives |
| 07:53.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alternatives is the way Debian manages multiple applications with the same function. For more info, man update-alternatives. Have a look at the galternatives package or ask me about <update-alternatives> <java alternatives>. |
| 07:53.34 | Agiofws | hark, easy |
| 07:54.06 | hark | Agiofws: of course it also depends on what you've set in gnome-default-applications-properties |
| 07:54.13 | Agiofws | i have |
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| 07:54.26 | asmodeus_ | !kill kawasaki |
| 07:54.26 | dpkg | crushes kawasaki with a large trout |
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| 07:54.52 | kawasaki | !finger |
| 07:54.52 | dpkg | i guess finger is a insecure service that lets people find valid accounts to crack. SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, remove it immediatly |
| 07:55.05 | hark | usually it's sensible-browser, so x-www-browser is preferred |
| 07:55.06 | asmodeus_ | !hand |
| 07:55.06 | dpkg | hand is, like, have a nice day |
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| 07:55.27 | MOUSE2 | hark: how would I go bout getting the new lib if I cannot use apt-get or aptitude? |
| 07:55.27 | asmodeus_ | !dick |
| 07:55.33 | hark | kawasaki: asmodeus_ why don't you both take it to #debian-bots instead |
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| 07:56.11 | hark | MOUSE2: you can try unpacking it manually or see if dpkg works |
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| 07:56.38 | MOUSE2 | i did that from cache |
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| 07:56.42 | kawasaki | !coffe |
| 07:56.50 | MOUSE2 | dpkg does work but ive never really used it before |
| 07:56.50 | dpkg | MOUSE2: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 07:56.58 | MOUSE2 | no |
| 07:57.09 | kawasaki | !kawasaki |
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| 07:58.28 | hark | MOUSE2: get libgcc1 from packages.debian.org and install it using dpkg -i /path/to/deb.deb |
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| 08:00.02 | MOUSE2 | http://pastebin.com/m2d6015a7 |
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| 08:13.06 | meder | How should I install `locales` with apt-get such that it won't complain when trying to compile that LC_ALL is not set? |
| 08:13.16 | meder | should I modify the /etc/environment file manually? |
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| 08:16.25 | joltcan | meder: depends: if you just want to change it for your user, put it in .bash_profile/.profire |
| 08:16.30 | joltcan | .profile |
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| 08:17.11 | meder | joltcan: i dont care about specific users, i want to set it up server-side as root |
| 08:17.24 | meder | should i manually set LC_ALL to something as root with export |
| 08:17.33 | meder | or should i touch the environment file? |
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| 08:18.35 | hark | meder: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 08:19.14 | meder | .. |
| 08:19.34 | meder | locales is not installed. |
| 08:19.47 | meder | should i just apt-get install locales |
| 08:19.50 | meder | IGNORE the warnings |
| 08:19.53 | meder | then reconfigure it? |
| 08:19.57 | meder | that's pretty much it, right? |
| 08:20.27 | hark | yes (and don't hit enter so much) |
| 08:20.31 | meder | ok |
| 08:20.34 | meder | another stupid question |
| 08:20.42 | meder | let's say I tried to upgrade a few packages before I fixed this issue |
| 08:20.57 | meder | and it ended up throwing the same error when I upgraded those |
| 08:21.02 | meder | do I need to go back and reconfigure all of those? |
| 08:21.02 | MOUSE2 | can anyone view this. http://69.162.93.26 |
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| 08:21.15 | MOUSE2 | my panel has just completely stopped working |
| 08:21.18 | hark | !tell meder about enter |
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| 08:30.18 | neoice | does Debian's default SELinux policy have a good reputation? because I just installed it and now cant log in. (denied: bash) |
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| 08:33.17 | wahjava | neoice, try booting in permissive mode, relabel filesystem. |
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| 08:33.35 | schmrz | Hello Everyone, I have a question. Why does it take so much time to copy big (>100MB) files on my usb disk. First I need to wait until it copies the file to /media/disk and then when I try to unmount it I have to wait until it "writes" it to the usb... |
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| 08:34.23 | neoice | wahjava: I can still log in as root and I relabeled earlier as part of the setup. I'm brand new to selinux and I'm probably expecting more "just working" than I'm going to get. |
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| 08:35.27 | wahjava | neoice, selinux never worked for me on debian, only with gentoo and centos. but then i've only experimented with selinux in debian etch. |
| 08:36.07 | mesaGL | schmrz: they are slow, is the short answer. and /media/disk and the usb are one and the same. linux uses deferred writes, and only syncs usb on removal, unless you manually type "sync" in a terminal |
| 08:36.10 | neoice | wahjava: yeah, I'm afraid its not going to pan out in Debian. it seems like if I want to harden a system to the max, I need to run Gentoo Hardened. |
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| 08:36.32 | nixguy | how do i get X after i su as another user? |
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| 08:36.41 | wahjava | neoice, there is a debian hardened guide somewhere on internet. |
| 08:36.57 | wahjava | nixguy, startx ? |
| 08:37.00 | schmrz | mesaGL: But why do I need to wait when I copy the file over to /media/disk ? |
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| 08:37.11 | neoice | wahjava: the Securing Debian Manual? read it cover to cover and regularly recommend it to newbies around here |
| 08:37.27 | schmrz | mesaGL: I should only wait when it syncs it |
| 08:37.58 | neoice | wahjava: unfortuantely, I dont think its sufficient for say, a public access system. |
| 08:38.03 | mesaGL | schmrz: are you a complete halfwit ? |
| 08:38.09 | wahjava | wahjava, yeah, that one...:-) if you want to use SELinux be prepared to do some work |
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| 08:38.21 | wahjava | s/^wahjava/neoice/ |
| 08:38.30 | schmrz | mesaGL: Why ? |
| 08:38.33 | vy | I just installed Lenny to a SunFire X4440 system, but system doesn't boot from the disks, I neither see anything related with SAS hardware in the BIOS setup menu. Am I missing something? |
| 08:39.06 | vy | BTW, no IDE/SATA disks, there are just two SAS disks. |
| 08:39.11 | neoice | wahjava: what would you recommend beyond the Securing Debian Manual if you were designing a public access system? |
| 08:39.46 | mesaGL | schmrz: usb drives are slow. end of discussion. your inability to understand simple, concise answers is not my concern |
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| 08:39.54 | nixguy | wahjava: server is already active for diplay 0 |
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| 08:40.04 | wahjava | neoice, public access system == kiosk ? |
| 08:40.06 | quentusrex | How do I find out why cron isn't running my script properly? |
| 08:40.19 | quentusrex | I can run my script from / and it works |
| 08:40.26 | quentusrex | but from cron it doesn't ever get run |
| 08:40.30 | quentusrex | and I can't figure out why... |
| 08:40.48 | wahjava | nixguy, aah, okay, switch to TTY running X server using C-A-F7 |
| 08:41.15 | wahjava | quentusrex, cron's logs and daemon.log ? |
| 08:41.38 | neoice | wahjava: public shell server / community stuff. hence my fascist security concerns. |
| 08:41.44 | nixguy | wahjava: i have logged in as user to x i open gnome-terminal and su as another user |
| 08:41.56 | nixguy | wahjava: need to run an installer as that user |
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| 08:42.12 | nixguy | wahjava: so need another x session for that useer |
| 08:42.14 | quentusrex | wahjava, I don't see any logs for cron, but I've checked syslog |
| 08:42.22 | quentusrex | and there is nothing about cron in daemon.log |
| 08:42.34 | wahjava | quentusrex, is cron service running ? |
| 08:42.50 | quentusrex | ps -A|grep cron |
| 08:42.50 | quentusrex | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.53 | schmrz | mesaGL: You seem to have messed things up. I understand that usb's are slow but why does it take almost 200% less time to do it in windows ? I prefer linux but it does the job twice. First you wait until it copies the file to /media/disk and then you wait again when you try to unmount it. It should copy the file to /media/disk and finish with it or it should copy the entire file when you try to unmount the drive |
| 08:42.58 | quentusrex | so, yes I think so.. wahjava |
| 08:43.22 | quentusrex | wahjava, thanks for the help. |
| 08:44.08 | wahjava | nixguy, aah, for that refer to xhost(1) |
| 08:44.13 | mesaGL | schmrz: then go back to windows, if you think it is any different |
| 08:44.19 | wahjava | nixguy, you can do that in same X server. |
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| 08:45.02 | schmrz | mesaGL: I'm using linux for three years and I don't need twits like you telling me what do to. I just asked nicely if this can be resolved. Thank you for your time, now shut up. |
| 08:45.04 | wahjava | quentusrex, I'm not running debian right now, so won't be able to exactly tell you. but I hope you know cron sends you a mail, in case of any error. |
| 08:45.08 | mesaGL | schmrz: also, 200% less time makes no sense. windows does exactly the same thing |
| 08:45.19 | quentusrex | wahjava, I don't see any mail either... |
| 08:45.19 | quentusrex | :( |
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| 08:45.37 | mesaGL | schmrz: you shut up. in fact, do us all a favour and go back to windows |
| 08:45.43 | wahjava | quentusrex, in your mail spool ? running mail-server like exim4 ? |
| 08:46.02 | wahjava | neoice, if you want to use selinux in less time, use RH/CentOS distro, or ask someone in #selinux |
| 08:46.05 | simonrvn | mesaGL: dude, don't need to get hostile |
| 08:46.09 | schmrz | mesaGL: I'm afraid that's only yours opinion. |
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| 08:47.16 | mesaGL | simonrvn: i'm fed up with lame idiots being hostile and rude. clueless fucking losers shouting the odds |
| 08:47.19 | woshty | schmrz: most likely it is simply copying all the time .. try doing the copy, wait for 5min and then unmount .. there should be no delay for unmounting then |
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| 08:47.48 | simonrvn | mesaGL: i understand (really i do) but it's better to pick your fights |
| 08:48.22 | schmrz | mesaGL: I wasn't hostile. If you check your messages, you will see that you were the first one that said rude things. But it's ok... |
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| 08:48.32 | schmrz | woshty: Thank you, I will test it out |
| 08:48.47 | mjmt | schmrz: Try the 'sync' mount option. |
| 08:48.54 | simonrvn | schmrz: next time, if you want to argue a point, make sure you have solid data first ;) |
| 08:49.56 | schmrz | simonrvn: Ok. I shall return with test results then ;) |
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| 08:49.59 | woshty | schmrz: some computers, might have something to do with the chipset used, have really bad usb performance, cpu being under full load while copying at single megabyte rates |
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| 08:53.19 | jelly-hme | schmrz: also, windows usb drivers really can be faster, Linux may take months or years to figure out every chipset's deviations and workarounds for them. |
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| 08:54.02 | schmrz | jelly-hme: I really understand all this but I just thouth that it does the job twice for big files so I didn't understand why |
| 08:54.19 | Mallxs | Trying to install mysql .. but apt-get said that ~it was set to manual install~ ... dit deabian already ban mysq or what ? |
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| 08:55.59 | Mallxs | btw it was on a xen install ... can that be the problem ? |
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| 08:57.54 | mjmt | Mallxs: Means it was automatically installed before, now it won't be marked for automatic removal if whatever needed it goes away. |
| 08:58.13 | jelly-hme | schmrz: copying to a slow device does two different things, read from source into RAM (vfs cache), if the file is short enough the copy process ends here, and then delayed write from cache to the destination device. |
| 08:58.40 | Mallxs | thx mjmt |
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| 09:21.22 | Raimi | hi! is there an alternative to http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/ ? |
| 09:21.34 | Raimi | i.e. where can i find current debianified kernels? |
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| 09:23.07 | mesaGL | Raimi: the kernel in sid is 2.6.31. you could try that |
| 09:23.32 | meder | How could it be that I have perl, but in aptitude it doesn't show up as installed? |
| 09:23.37 | meder | am I using a super minimal version of perl then? |
| 09:23.47 | meder | perl -v shows me 5.10, however in aptitude, perl package is not installed. |
| 09:23.56 | mesaGL | meder: how do you know that you have perl ? |
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| 09:24.19 | Raimi | mesaGL: good idea. |
| 09:24.20 | themill | mesaGL: dpkg -l \*perl*|grep ^.i |
| 09:24.51 | KTL | what is the thing returning that version number then |
| 09:25.32 | meder | mesaGL: because perl -V shows me I have 5.10 installed, that and apt-get and aptitude installation both worked |
| 09:25.55 | meder | which perl -> /usr/bin/perl |
| 09:25.57 | SUNNYNARULA18 | mender: it probably was compiled and not installed as a deb package |
| 09:25.58 | Raimi | can i limit my sources.list to specific packages? or do i have to download/install them individually with dpkg?iv |
| 09:26.04 | meder | SUNNYNARULA18: I see |
| 09:26.12 | meder | what's the proper way of handling this, then? |
| 09:26.35 | KTL | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:27.00 | meder | what's the command to see total filesize in a dir? |
| 09:27.07 | KTL | du -h --max=1 |
| 09:27.17 | mesaGL | Raimi: it's up to you. what i do, is enable the repo temporarily, install, then disable |
| 09:27.28 | KTL | ncdu is also very practical |
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| 09:28.31 | Raimi | mesaGL: good idea again |
| 09:28.34 | Raimi | thanks for the hints |
| 09:28.59 | themill | meder: dpkg -l \*perl*|grep ^.i |
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| 09:30.08 | meder | themill: ok. i ran that.. you want a paste bin of that? |
| 09:30.12 | meder | oh |
| 09:30.16 | meder | looks like I have perl-base |
| 09:30.20 | meder | but not perl |
| 09:30.22 | themill | yeah, that's what I figured |
| 09:30.25 | meder | smart. |
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| 09:32.57 | meder | can you guys list some essential packages one should have installed? |
| 09:33.04 | meder | eg locales, dnsutils, perl |
| 09:33.12 | meder | aptitude.. |
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| 09:33.28 | themill | !standard task |
| 09:33.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). For a list of packages see http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel. Also ask me about <tasksel>. |
| 09:33.40 | meder | :o |
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| 09:37.09 | meder | themill: ic |
| 09:38.53 | meder | themill: ok, looks like I need all of the ~pstandard. However, I don't really want to choose 'Web server' because I want to do nginx before apache nor do I want mod-python and mod-php5. What can I do to just get the bare packages listed by ~pstandard? |
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| 09:39.35 | themill | meder: exactly what aptitude (and the wiki) said. aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant |
| 09:39.43 | meder | Oh |
| 09:40.17 | meder | I don't think the wiki actually indicates that *exact* command anymore I guess it was implied but ty |
| 09:41.12 | themill | Ah, it only has the "search" command to list the packages. dpkgbot just said though :P |
| 09:41.29 | meder | fails |
| 09:41.32 | meder | heh |
| 09:45.23 | hoo-hah | hi guys, how do i reinstall a package to get it's maintainer's config file to override my custom one? |
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| 09:50.08 | jelly | hpmh, is there a version of icedove 3 rc1 somewhere? judd versions doesn't show any. |
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| 09:54.01 | meder | http://medero.org/debian/ |
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| 09:54.08 | meder | my guide for myself and maybe useful to others, lol |
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| 10:01.00 | jelly | hoo-hah: a simple way is to purge it, then reinstall |
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| 10:01.55 | cichlasoma | hi. i run debian lenny in virtualbox. when i start Synaptic, in Settings/Repositories no repositories are listed, also if i add lot of them to "sources.list" (and if i stay with default ones as well). Isn't it a known issue? |
| 10:02.04 | yoshx | hello |
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| 10:05.17 | mesaGL | cichlasoma: you have to install software-properties-gtk for that tab to work |
| 10:06.17 | sanderj | Anyone know what latest kernel in etch is? |
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| 10:06.49 | niklaswe | sanderj: you can look with apt-cache search |
| 10:06.51 | i5513 | Hi, |
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| 10:07.02 | niklaswe | which kernel some are the last one (kernel number) |
| 10:07.04 | i5513 | see this link |
| 10:07.06 | i5513 | http://paste.debian.net/51955 |
| 10:07.24 | sanderj | niklaswe, I dont have etch here atm |
| 10:07.27 | i5513 | why aptitude wants to remove my zenity and my xserver-xephyr ? |
| 10:07.32 | sanderj | !kernel etch |
| 10:07.41 | sanderj | Hmz. no such command |
| 10:08.29 | niklaswe | dpkg: kernel |
| 10:08.31 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091119, mainline 2.6: 2.6.32-rc8, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.32-rc7-git4, stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.6 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.9 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.39 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.7 |
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| 10:09.55 | cichlasoma | mesaGL: thanks for the reply. yet, what's the name of the package you are talkin about? is it in a official repository? |
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| 10:11.47 | mesaGL | cichlasoma: the name is "software-properties-gtk" and yes, it is in the official repos |
| 10:12.52 | niklaswe | sanderj: try dpkg kernel |
| 10:13.32 | sanderj | niklaswe, I dont have access to any etch boxes atm. |
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| 10:14.58 | niklaswe | sanderj: Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091119, mainline 2.6: 2.6.32-rc8, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.32-rc7-git4, stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.6 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.9 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.39 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.7 |
| 10:15.23 | _Brandon_ | hi, I installed pidgin but icon in the systray is missing, there is just a blank square |
| 10:15.31 | cichlasoma | mesaGL: i'm sorry... i've found it here http://packages.debian.org/lenny/software-properties-gtk already. yet - is it ok, apt says it cannot find such a pckage when i try to install it? do i have to use dpkg instead? why? |
| 10:15.33 | sanderj | niklaswe, which one is latest etch one? |
| 10:16.13 | niklaswe | sanderj: i dont really know but i guess that someone of the 2.6.27 are |
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| 10:16.58 | mesaGL | cichlasoma: sounds like your /etc/apt/sources.list file is wrong |
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| 10:17.51 | mesaGL | cichlasoma: cos you should be able to install ordinary stuff with aptitude install, or apt-get install |
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| 10:23.51 | thrashold | Where can I read how to add a wireless network to network manager |
| 10:23.55 | thrashold | ? |
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| 10:27.22 | sanderj | Seems like this is the latest etch kernel: linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-486 |
| 10:27.32 | cichlasoma | mesaGL: thank you! i'm really sorry. i had to rename the file by mistake, it was named sourcess.list (double s), that was the source of all my troubles. LOL and thanks again! |
| 10:27.40 | sanderj | But is that one affected by the vsplace local root exploit? |
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| 10:29.12 | jelly | sanderj: you can use "/msg dpkg tracker of doom" to see which packages are affected if you know the CVE number for that exploit |
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| 10:31.06 | fredl | hi, I seem to be missing a manual page for if_indextoname(), anybody know which pkg that should be in? |
| 10:31.20 | sanderj | jelly: how do I find the CVE? |
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| 10:32.18 | mesaGL | fredl: manpages-posix-dev |
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| 10:33.55 | jelly | sanderj: http://cve.mitre.org/ and search there, I guess |
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| 10:34.04 | jelly | or google |
| 10:34.11 | leejongwook | jelly :) |
| 10:34.14 | leejongwook | yummy :P |
| 10:34.30 | fredl | tnx mesaGL |
| 10:35.30 | leejongwook | http://static.dezeen.com/uploads/2008/03/jelly_01.jpg <-- orange jelly :P |
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| 10:37.56 | Fenrir_ | hi |
| 10:37.57 | zerohero_ | hello |
| 10:38.10 | zerohero_ | i've been wrestling with ldap for a few days |
| 10:38.24 | zerohero_ | it seems that xdm/kdm/gdm all locks up after boot |
| 10:38.30 | zerohero_ | this is with debian stable, btw |
| 10:38.42 | zerohero_ | everything else is working with ldap |
| 10:38.44 | sanderj | jelly: thanks.. seems like its fixed in the latest etch kernel :-) |
| 10:39.01 | sanderj | Whould be kinda strange if it whouldnt be fixed |
| 10:39.12 | zerohero_ | and i can use it if i boot, uncomment uri in libnss_ldap.conf, and restart nscd |
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| 10:40.08 | zerohero_ | this seem to be a debian specific problem (or stable problem) because i just installed fedora12 and it worked ootb |
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| 10:43.45 | zerohero_ | no one then |
| 10:43.51 | zerohero_ | same as everywhere else :( |
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| 10:49.51 | hoo-hah | is there a command line tool for loading images? |
| 10:50.01 | hoo-hah | ideally for it to load in rxvt-unicode, or other terminals |
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| 10:50.15 | hoo-hah | where loading == viewing |
| 10:51.24 | themill | judd info fim |
| 10:51.33 | SUNNYNARULA18 | hoo-hah: imagemagick |
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| 10:51.44 | themill | judd info fim --release squeeze |
| 10:51.45 | judd | themill: fim (graphics): is extra; Version: 0.3-beta-prerelease-1.1; Size: 317.9k; Installed: 764k -- a scriptable frame buffer and ascii art image viewer |
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| 10:52.59 | thrashold | Can anyone suggest an app that I can use for japanese input? I'm not japanese, so I don't really need (or want) to install full japanese input. You could input hiragana in Kiten without japanese input in KDE 3, but that's one of the things that doesn't work anymore in KDE 4 |
| 10:53.04 | hoo-hah | ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Invalid argument (not a linux console?) |
| 10:53.05 | hoo-hah | open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory |
| 10:53.11 | hoo-hah | (in rxvt-unicode) |
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| 11:20.57 | buntfalke | which pdf viewer except adobe reader supports javascript? |
| 11:23.28 | Raimi | buntfalke: tell me if you find one |
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| 11:24.06 | buntfalke | Raimi: I take this as a "none" then, cause I wouldnt know one either... |
| 11:24.15 | shamelessn00b | hi,can anyone suggest me a good tool that would allow me to manage user accounts on multiple debian hosts |
| 11:24.34 | shamelessn00b | or would I have to script it |
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| 11:26.11 | Mordbrann_p | buntfalke, try evince maybe? |
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| 11:31.12 | buntfalke | Mordbrann_p: cant do it |
| 11:31.20 | buntfalke | evince, that is. not me. |
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| 11:32.22 | Mordbrann_p | buntfalke, I'm wondering if any bother to implement that given the security risks; the app would have to be sandboxed |
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| 11:35.47 | JyZyXEL | sun-java-6 on debian lenny is open to a severe remote code execution exploit |
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| 11:48.39 | smuggboy | hello @all, i have a problem to open black&white images (1bit color depth) via " xloadimage " - i can only see black where the image should be. the crazy about the problem: same problem in ubuntu but attention -> no problem with debian live ... i need some help to solve the problem |
| 11:49.52 | k3rn3lpanic | Hello. I will be joining an internship with an organization that is involved in development of a Debian based distro specific to my country. I have no experience with Linux development, just what I use and what I read. What should I know to get into maintaing, developing and customizing Debian? |
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| 11:52.40 | petemc | k3rn3lpanic: probably your first step would be to learn how to install and use it |
| 11:53.19 | k3rn3lpanic | That I am already familiar with. I use it on a regular basis. I was talking about the skill set required. |
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| 11:54.05 | petemc | you're obviously not that familiar with it if that isnt obvious |
| 11:55.10 | k3rn3lpanic | Yes. Can you suggest me tutorial/ link I can read? Or some book. |
| 11:55.38 | petemc | !nm |
| 11:55.39 | dpkg | i heard nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never/No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>, <networkmanager>. |
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| 11:56.26 | k3rn3lpanic | petemc: that would be perfect. Thank you. |
| 11:56.39 | petemc | np |
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| 12:01.52 | kombi | during dist-upgrade box says: "cannot find name for user ID 0" <- what happened? what must I do? |
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| 12:02.07 | kombi | never seen root being lost.. |
| 12:03.16 | StevenBinion | agreed, I've never seen that. |
| 12:03.34 | StevenBinion | I'd say pretty bad if it is gone, tho not sure how. |
| 12:03.35 | kombi | I hesitate a bit to do useradd root there.. |
| 12:03.44 | StevenBinion | but if it's true, I'd reinstall. |
| 12:04.08 | kombi | good point.. I'll run rkhunter for kicks now |
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| 12:04.31 | hoxu | kombi, what does "grep root /etc/passwd" say? |
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| 12:04.53 | hoxu | kombi, or "getent passwd root" |
| 12:04.55 | kombi | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 12:05.01 | kombi | ..it's there.. |
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| 12:05.23 | hoxu | kombi, well, I'd guess some package has broken scripts then |
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| 12:05.55 | kombi | "getent passwd root" returns nothing though |
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| 12:06.42 | StevenBinion | this is usually my catch all fix dunno if it'll work in this instance. but... |
| 12:06.48 | StevenBinion | apt-get install -f |
| 12:07.04 | kmq | kombi: maybe a broken pam ? I am trying to fix something similar atm |
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| 12:07.25 | kombi | box did stopped during install of libc6, maybe I do install -f there |
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| 12:09.00 | kombi | but then again, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/70debconf can't be read because it not owned by root and cannot be chowned.. |
| 12:09.12 | catsup | kombi: what is saying that? |
| 12:09.44 | kombi | E: Unable to read /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ - opendir (530 Unknown error 530) |
| 12:09.54 | StevenBinion | wow |
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| 12:10.11 | catsup | ls -l /etc/passwd /etc/shadow |
| 12:10.30 | hoxu | kombi, ok, calm down, does "ls /var/cache/apt/archives/*libc*" say something? |
| 12:10.32 | kombi | both exist |
| 12:10.46 | catsup | but what are the permissions |
| 12:11.07 | kombi | hoxu: a plenty! |
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| 12:11.23 | hoxu | kombi, argh, look for libc6 deb and try installing it with "dpkg -i" |
| 12:11.23 | kombi | rw-r--r-- 1 0 0 182 Sep 9 2005 70debconf |
| 12:11.26 | catsup | should be 644 root:root and 640 root:shadow |
| 12:11.38 | catsup | kombi, the permissions for /etc/{passwd,shadow} |
| 12:11.42 | kombi | catsup: oh, that you mean wait.. |
| 12:11.45 | StevenBinion | kombi pastbin hoxu's request |
| 12:11.58 | kombi | will do |
| 12:12.13 | hoxu | kombi, don't mind the other stuff for now, if you've got broken libc6 install, it's no wonder everything is broken... |
| 12:12.32 | kombi | I' on it |
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| 12:14.41 | ronr | hi, I've written a small script that I want to run all the time so it's in a while(true) loop, are there any tools in debian that would automatically restart the script if it would die for whatever reason? |
| 12:15.10 | hoxu | ronr, what does that script do? |
| 12:15.23 | jelly | ronr: is it supposed to be run as a service? |
| 12:15.49 | hoxu | ronr, what I mean is that... should it be running from cron, each minute or something along that line? |
| 12:16.00 | ronr | it performs some http requests to some servers, checks the responses and calls some webservices if needed, then it sleep for a few seconds and does the same thing again |
| 12:16.19 | ronr | hoxu: how could have not have thought of that! |
| 12:16.27 | ronr | thanks, cron will do just fine |
| 12:17.17 | kombi | hoxu: dpkg -i libc6_2.7-18_i386.deb <- gives me gas again... |
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| 12:17.30 | hoxu | kombi, what exactly? |
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| 12:17.42 | kombi | dpkg: cannot scan updates directory `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/': Unknown error 530 |
| 12:17.42 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, kombi |
| 12:17.54 | kombi | sorry dpkg..;) |
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| 12:18.34 | hoxu | hrem |
| 12:18.38 | kombi | seems I'm f***ed.. |
| 12:18.43 | hoxu | no sweat yet |
| 12:18.49 | hoxu | it's just libc6, it's not like the world depends on it |
| 12:18.52 | hoxu | ... too much |
| 12:18.57 | kombi | ..;) |
| 12:19.15 | hoxu | kombi, does "ar" give you any errors? |
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| 12:19.42 | kombi | ar wants some option (never heard of that one..) |
| 12:20.18 | hoxu | kombi, alright, copy the libc6 deb somewhere (cd /root; mkdir foo; cd foo/) |
| 12:20.46 | kombi | it's there |
| 12:20.58 | hoxu | kombi, inside the dir, "ar x whatever.deb"; "tar zxf data.tar.gz" |
| 12:21.12 | hoxu | and whatever you do, don't tell me tar or gzip chokes up |
| 12:21.51 | kombi | went fine! |
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| 12:22.38 | hoxu | kombi, ok, sounds good... |
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| 12:23.41 | Debian-user | Hello, |
| 12:23.46 | niklaswe | hi |
| 12:24.32 | Debian-user | I installed phpmyadmin, but can't find phpmyadmin in /var/www , |
| 12:24.41 | Debian-user | Where is phpmyadmin ? |
| 12:24.41 | Debian-user | debian lenny |
| 12:25.11 | kombi | Debian-user: it is aliased in /etc/apache2/sites-available/phpmyadmin.conf |
| 12:25.27 | hoxu | kombi, what directories did it create? |
| 12:26.02 | kombi | etc lib sbin usr, all of which not accessable though |
| 12:26.33 | hoxu | kombi, as root? What are the perms (ls -la)? |
| 12:26.49 | Debian-user | kombi: Nothing like phpmyadmin.conf , it's 000default |
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| 12:27.04 | kombi | no root on here anymore, they belong to user "2009" |
| 12:27.33 | hoo-hah | hi guys, I'm trying to figure out how to backtrack from a apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 12:27.34 | kombi | Debian-user: right, sorry, that came from bad memory. Is it in there though? |
| 12:27.37 | hoxu | kombi, uh, can you su into root? |
| 12:27.41 | hoo-hah | ie, I'd like to remove packages that were installed with taht command |
| 12:27.46 | joltcan | Debian-user: When you get it up and running, make sure you protect phpmyadmin by IP or password, it's a common entry vector for cracking machines |
| 12:27.57 | hoo-hah | provided they're no longer depended upon by any other installed package. is this possible? |
| 12:28.04 | kombi | hoxu: thing just says "sorry." ... |
| 12:28.18 | Debian-user | joltcan: ? |
| 12:28.21 | Debian-user | kombi: ? |
| 12:28.32 | kombi | whoami: cannot find name for user ID 0 |
| 12:28.36 | joltcan | Debian-user: that was a complete sidenote from me |
| 12:29.06 | kombi | trying to su gives me a mere "Sorry." (which is kind of cute, but then again not..) |
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| 12:29.28 | Debian-user | kombi: /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 12:29.31 | hoxu | kombi, darn, you really need an access to the filesystem as root |
| 12:29.43 | Debian-user | joltcan: /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 12:29.51 | kombi | that be a thing of beauty.. let me try from another shell.. |
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| 12:30.06 | rvsjoen | do you have sudo permissions ? |
| 12:30.07 | hoo-hah | kombi: ebonics? |
| 12:30.17 | kombi | what's ebonics? |
| 12:30.53 | zerohero_ | anyone know why my debian locks up at boot when i use ldap? |
| 12:30.58 | kombi | whoops, can's ssh into that box anymore, just one open shell that is not quite root... |
| 12:31.08 | rvsjoen | zerohero_: at which point does it lock up ? |
| 12:31.21 | kombi | and, to round things up, box in Seattle, me in Cologne Germany. Now that rocks.. |
| 12:31.25 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: when xdm/kdm/gdm is supposed to start |
| 12:31.36 | SUNNYNARULA18 | hoxu: su depends on libc6 |
| 12:31.45 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: i've installed fedora12 on one client, and that works without problems |
| 12:31.51 | hoxu | SUNNYNARULA18, yeeeeeah, pretty much everything does, but it's not *totally* broken :P |
| 12:32.13 | hoxu | kombi, sounds like a good excuse for a trip ! |
| 12:32.14 | SUNNYNARULA18 | hoxu: su really needs core c libraries |
| 12:32.20 | rvsjoen | zerohero_: you could try booting it in a non-X runlevel, and see if you are able to log in, are you using ldap as a backend for pam ? |
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| 12:32.26 | hoxu | SUNNYNARULA18, and so does everything else |
| 12:32.26 | kombi | sure does.. |
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| 12:32.47 | kombi | something must have gone wrong dpkg wise during dist upgrade while processing libc6 |
| 12:32.51 | frostschutz | kombi: no rescue system / remote hands? ;) |
| 12:32.52 | SUNNYNARULA18 | hoxu: thats what to copy all the extracted files to their location you need root previliges |
| 12:32.54 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: that works, it's just x/g/kdm that's a problem |
| 12:32.58 | hoxu | kombi, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454638 - looks familiar :P |
| 12:32.59 | rvsjoen | did you break libc ? |
| 12:33.00 | fluke | anyone know a fix for no screen input when at login screen, soon as it gets to login screen, scren goes black and a monitor window moves around saying no input, ive tried tweaking xorg and google with no luck |
| 12:33.14 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: if i start things after i've booted it works as well |
| 12:33.22 | kombi | frostschutz: I'd have to look into that, can't even remember the isp's name right now |
| 12:33.30 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: no, i didn't break anything, yet at least :) |
| 12:33.32 | rvsjoen | zerohero_: almost sounds like a timing issue.. |
| 12:33.36 | kombi | hoxu: let's see...;) |
| 12:34.03 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: ok? it doesn't respond to ping, or anything |
| 12:34.16 | hoxu | kombi, wild guess - you are running something not supported? ;) |
| 12:34.28 | rvsjoen | zerohero_: say what ? are we talking about remote logins ? |
| 12:34.41 | kombi | good point, that happens to me but I don't think on that particular box.. |
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| 12:35.20 | kombi | he downgraded to glibc2.6.. hmm... |
| 12:35.20 | morex | Hi there I have a question. Does anyone know how to set the default processor affinity on SMP systems? |
| 12:35.30 | morex | I googled but no joy. |
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| 12:35.43 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: no, just nss pam over ldap |
| 12:35.47 | SUNNYNARULA18 | kombi: whats your kernel version |
| 12:36.03 | kombi | 2.6.9-023stab043.1-smp |
| 12:36.06 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: but when the client has booted, and locked up, i won't respond to pings either |
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| 12:36.17 | SUNNYNARULA18 | "but it's very not-nice for people running 2.6.9 with smp to upgrade libc6" |
| 12:36.59 | kombi | whoops.. |
| 12:37.33 | kombi | where'd you get that from sunny? |
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| 12:37.56 | frostschutz | didn't know that debian still used 2.6.9 ;) |
| 12:37.57 | morex | No-one knows? Ouch... |
| 12:38.08 | hark | it's an openvz vps ^ |
| 12:38.12 | SUNNYNARULA18 | kombi: from the link hoxu provided |
| 12:38.27 | petemc | frostschutz: 2.6.9 what? |
| 12:38.37 | petemc | oh, nm |
| 12:39.11 | rvsjoen | morex: try Documentation/cpusets.txt in the kernel tree, but I suspect you need a patch |
| 12:39.22 | rvsjoen | zerohero_: nothing in the logs ? |
| 12:39.43 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: haven't found anything useful, and no one else either... been at it for three days now |
| 12:39.45 | frostschutz | morex: taskset? |
| 12:40.08 | morex | I can use that to set individual process affinity |
| 12:40.16 | morex | What I want to do is set a default process affinity |
| 12:40.18 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: as i said i have a fedora12 client here that works ootb, so would be interesting to know the differences |
| 12:40.21 | morex | so all new processes have that affinity |
| 12:40.36 | morex | then I can put my critical process on the other processor with taskset |
| 12:40.40 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: i've looked at the config files, but not much is different, and what i've tried made no difference so far |
| 12:41.59 | kombi | ...to upgrade libc6 and find |
| 12:41.59 | kombi | their system almost completely unusable, I agree completely..;) |
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| 12:42.54 | rvsjoen | morex: well, it should be a relatively simple patch, but I dont know if thats what you are looking for |
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| 12:43.42 | morex | So how do I do it? |
| 12:43.45 | kombi | dear you apt whisperers, how do I roll back from libc6? |
| 12:43.49 | morex | I'll have to patch the kernel? |
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| 12:46.51 | rvsjoen | morex: its one way, might be easier with a wrapper for exec though, which uses sched_setaffinity |
| 12:46.51 | rvsjoen | morex: why do you need to do this |
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| 12:47.02 | morex | I'm running Asterisk |
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| 12:47.24 | rvsjoen | zerohero_: it seems strange indeed |
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| 12:47.32 | morex | I've found that when the load increases it's very sensitive to other processes |
| 12:47.43 | morex | even when it's given the lowest niceness and RT priority |
| 12:47.49 | morex | so I want to put Asterisk on one processor |
| 12:47.53 | morex | and everything else on the other |
| 12:48.00 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: you must be the 100 person to say that in three days now ;) |
| 12:48.12 | fluke | peeps what is the latest stable version of debian? |
| 12:48.23 | rvsjoen | topic |
| 12:48.26 | morex | I can use taskset to move Asterisk to one processor |
| 12:48.31 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: actually... using a static ip seem to work |
| 12:48.33 | fluke | id look on site, but im downloading @ full speed |
| 12:48.36 | zerohero_ | rvsjoen: just tried that |
| 12:48.51 | morex | But I don't know a way to use it to move all the other processes to the other processor |
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| 12:49.08 | fluke | is lenny or squeeze the most current stable version of debian? or is squeeze still in testing |
| 12:49.09 | morex | And I don't know a way to make sure new processes stay on that same processor |
| 12:49.24 | mesaGL | fluke: squeeze is in testing |
| 12:49.32 | fluke | ok ty :) |
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| 12:49.42 | fluke | i read my gfx card is to new for lenny :D |
| 12:49.50 | fluke | and squeeze fixes the issue i have, thank god |
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| 12:50.24 | rvsjoen | fluke: /msg dpkg stable |
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| 12:51.16 | fluke | im on windows :D |
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| 12:51.45 | rvsjoen | and ? |
| 12:51.55 | fluke | just says stable when i do it |
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| 12:52.33 | fluke | oh right, my bad >> |
| 12:52.35 | rvsjoen | dpkg: stable |
| 12:52.36 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 12:52.38 | fluke | ty :) |
| 12:53.37 | fluke | rvsjoen, any idea when squeeze is coming out *stable i mean* |
| 12:54.11 | rvsjoen | expected early 2010 |
| 12:54.20 | rvsjoen | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.30 | fluke | o ok sweet, guess i,ll just get the rc for now then |
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| 13:00.54 | greenmang0 | !kill me |
| 13:00.54 | dpkg | rips off greenmang0's balls with a large trout |
| 13:01.25 | kombi | hoxo: I'm trying the noah concept now, any ideas on how to make scp work even without a user? |
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| 13:10.01 | sanderj | Will it cause trouble to save custom error logs from several apache servers to the same file? |
| 13:10.18 | sanderj | having 3 apache frontend server.. using 1 nfs server as backend.. currently I dont have any custom log for each user.. but I want to store this on the nfs server in a place which can be written by all 3 frontends at the same time |
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| 13:12.48 | beli | hi folks. i upgraded from php 5.2.x to 5.3....now i got many DEPRECATED warnings....how to disable them? |
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| 13:13.43 | Agiofws | do i have to reboot windows if i want to a ext3 partition using windows ? |
| 13:13.56 | Agiofws | do i have to reboot windows if i want to MOUNT a ext3 partition using windows ? |
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| 13:14.37 | rvsjoen | say what ? |
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| 13:16.26 | Agiofws | 1) how do i Mount a ext3 partition using windows ? |
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| 13:27.21 | runa | heyas. does this means that my disk died? http://pastebin.com/m268453b0 [34241.444405] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed |
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| 13:28.52 | rvalles | runa: it looks like the disk has, at least, faile |
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| 13:28.54 | rvalles | d |
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| 13:29.18 | rvalles | if you have any important stuff on it at all, I recommend plugging a bigger disk somewhere and using gnu ddrescue |
| 13:29.26 | rvalles | asap |
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| 13:29.50 | rvalles | (read the info manual before proceeding. Yes, using a logfile makes a lot of sense) |
| 13:29.58 | runa | rvalles: I've a backup, it's not big deal. tnx |
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| 13:30.23 | slope | Debian Squeeze AMD64. I'm trying to setup another gmail account in Evolution 2.26.3 using IMAP, I made sure it's been enabled in my gmail settings and I followed instructions from some web site. I also made sure the settings are the same as my first account so it *should* work, but this is what I get: 'Error while Scanning folders in "IMAP server imap.google.com'". I never got a question about my password so that's likely the problem :) But |
| 13:30.43 | rvalles | runa: ok |
| 13:30.48 | frostschutz | runa: see what happens in a smart self test then |
| 13:30.59 | rvalles | yeah, go play with smartctl |
| 13:31.05 | rvalles | from smartmontools |
| 13:31.07 | rvalles | or smart-tools |
| 13:31.11 | rvalles | or a package with a similar name |
| 13:31.19 | frostschutz | otherwise bad cables can also cause all sorts of funny errors |
| 13:31.56 | runa | I installed smartctl, and ran a short text |
| 13:32.15 | macrobat | Agiofws: windows doesnt mount ext3. to my knowledge :) |
| 13:32.31 | Agiofws | are you sure ? |
| 13:32.43 | macrobat | linux mounts ntfs |
| 13:32.49 | Agiofws | i know that |
| 13:32.55 | Agiofws | i need it the other way around |
| 13:33.05 | macrobat | maybe you could mount a fat partition from windows |
| 13:33.09 | rvalles | there's some tools |
| 13:33.15 | runa | I'm not sure how to read the output, but this doesn't looks good: http://pastebin.com/m4b25bff6 |
| 13:33.22 | rvalles | for extracting files from ext3 and the like |
| 13:33.46 | rvalles | the last time I had to I used samba on a virtual machine (qemu) with access to the real partition |
| 13:34.40 | radoe | Agiofws: your keywords are ext2ifs or ext2fsd, don't know how safe they are... |
| 13:34.46 | sanderj | If two programs write to the same log file at the same time.. will that cause problems? |
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| 13:38.17 | mesaGL | sanderj: could well do. best avoided |
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| 13:43.34 | komble | hello all... |
| 13:43.47 | Titan8990 | !all |
| 13:43.47 | dpkg | All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. a brand of laundry detergent in the United States, and it's not expected that this will answer, either. |
| 13:43.55 | komble | I've just installed mysql-server package on my Debian lenny system... |
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| 13:44.25 | komble | no matter provide I password or not it simply doesn't log me in neither with pass nor without it... |
| 13:44.44 | komble | what could be the problem, any ideas?.. |
| 13:44.50 | komble | thanks for advance... |
| 13:45.05 | themill | !mysql initial password |
| 13:45.05 | dpkg | if you've never set a password for mysql before then you can run: /usr/bin/mysqladmin -u root password 'enter-your-good-new-password-here'; if you have set a password before, ask me about <forgot mysql root password> |
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| 13:45.29 | komble | themill, thanks for response but doesn't work.. |
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| 13:45.37 | komble | I've tried that serveral times too.. |
| 13:45.54 | NoReflex | Hey guys! Do you use munin? I'm trying to monitor two servers with it but the pages are empty.... |
| 13:46.04 | themill | komble: in that case, try resetting the passwd; /msg dpkg forgot mysql root password |
| 13:46.15 | AcTiVaTe | komble: Doesn't debian have a file in /etc somewhere with the pass? |
| 13:46.20 | komble | themill, tried that too, but still no luck... |
| 13:46.35 | Titan8990 | AcTiVaTe, no.... |
| 13:46.38 | komble | themill, after --skip-grant-tables i can't reset the password... |
| 13:46.48 | komble | it says: "affacted rows 0" |
| 13:46.57 | NoReflex | I installed munin and munin node on the server and munin-node on a client. They both run and I can see the connections made in /var/log/munin/munin-node.log - but the webpages are empty... |
| 13:47.09 | komble | AcTiVaTe, I don't know, can you please help?... |
| 13:47.40 | AcTiVaTe | komble: /etc/mysql/debian.cnf on my machine |
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| 13:47.58 | komble | AcTiVaTe, thanks, I'll check... |
| 13:48.39 | AcTiVaTe | komble: On my 5.0.1 machine it uses the user debian-sys-maint |
| 13:49.02 | Titan8990 | !debian-sys-maint |
| 13:49.02 | dpkg | a special user that has access to the local mysql for starting/stopping mysql and other maintenance operations. You should not remove this user. If you somehow erased or modified it, there is a script to fix it bundled with the debian mysql package. Or you can try SET PASSWORD FOR 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' = PASSWORD('new_password_here'); you then need to FLUSH PRIVILEGES; and might need to GRANT ALL PRIVILEGES again. |
| 13:49.06 | hoo-hah | hi guys, I'm trying to figure out how to backtrack from a apt-get build-dep xserver-xorg-video-ati |
| 13:49.11 | themill | you shouldn't mess with that user though |
| 13:49.11 | hoo-hah | ie, I'd like to remove packages that were installed with taht command |
| 13:49.18 | hoo-hah | provided they're no longer depended upon by any other installed package. is this possible? |
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| 13:49.52 | komble | AcTiVaTe, thanks, I'll check, I've removed mysql-server, trying to install it once again... |
| 13:50.12 | themill | komble: while running with --skip-grant-tables etc can you pastebin "use mysql; select Host, User, Password from user;" |
| 13:50.26 | komble | AcTiVaTe, here now prompt appears asking to set root password... |
| 13:50.53 | komble | AcTiVaTe, shouldn't I enter the password for later use?.. |
| 13:51.03 | komble | themill, i will once installation completes... |
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| 13:51.53 | AcTiVaTe | komble: If it asks for a root pw I'd set it yeah. Otherwise you'll be in the same situation I think |
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| 13:54.03 | komble | I've accidentally removed /etc/mysql |
| 13:54.12 | komble | now it can't start after installation... ;-( |
| 13:54.36 | Psi-Jack | Nice move. :p |
| 13:54.36 | komble | this is the error: "/etc/init.d/mysql: line 115: /etc/mysql/debian-start: No such file or directory" |
| 13:55.06 | komble | and this too: "/etc/init.d/mysql: WARNING: /etc/mysql/my.cnf cannot be read" |
| 13:55.41 | Psi-Jack | No doubt. These are givens when you remove THE system-wide my.cnf for mysql. |
| 13:55.50 | themill | komble: you'll need to purge then reinstall the mysql-common and mysql-server-5.0 packages. (or /msg dpkg confmiss) |
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| 13:57.57 | komble | themill, yeah, I'm trying... |
| 13:58.09 | komble | it has removed lots of packages, not installing them all... |
| 13:58.11 | ootput | hoo-hah: apt-cache showsrc <package> |
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| 13:58.43 | komble | themill, damn, still the same.. ;-( |
| 13:58.52 | komble | themill, any idea what to do now?.. |
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| 13:59.01 | evilhackerdude | hi |
| 13:59.03 | tnt | Is there a way to install one specific package from sid into squeeze ? (it's just a new version of a pacakge but that fixes a bug I'm having). |
| 13:59.16 | evilhackerdude | can anyone tell me which certificate is the "Thawte SSL123" certificate in /etc/ssl of the ca-certificates package? |
| 13:59.33 | komble | themill, oops, sorry, it worked, thank you very much, also previous problem has been solved.. :-) |
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| 13:59.39 | themill | yay! |
| 13:59.41 | komble | themill, great guy, thanks a lot.. :-) |
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| 14:00.58 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell tnt about ssb |
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| 14:01.11 | lazer | hello. anyone here who could fix a buggy DSDT??? |
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| 14:02.12 | hoo-hah | ootput: oh neat! |
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| 14:02.27 | hoo-hah | thanks |
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| 14:03.24 | slope | Does Evolution save stuff to any other place than ~/.evolution ? I need to get rid of everything. |
| 14:03.40 | hoo-hah | .gconf? |
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| 14:04.04 | slope | hoo-hah: thanks! |
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| 14:05.10 | slope | Also, does anyone here use testing? I can't access Keyboard Shortcuts in Gnome and was wondering if I'm the only one with that problem. |
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| 14:05.45 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 14:05.45 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 14:05.58 | lazer | hello. anyone here who could fix a buggy DSDT.dsl(ACPI) I have to recompile it with the iasl-compiler??? PLZ help |
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| 14:07.59 | hoo-hah | with apt, will any of the clean options remove only obsolete files? (ie packages where version is obsolete?) I'd like to keep downloaded packages intact despite not having them installed, provided they're at the latest version |
| 14:10.04 | ootput | hoo-hah: --autoclean should be okay |
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| 14:13.34 | kmq | on my remote box, the user 'admin' is allowed to sudo with password, and RootLogins via ssh are disabled |
| 14:13.56 | victoria | hi,is it advisable to install openoffice from testing in a lenny via pinning? |
| 14:14.13 | kmq | now I can still login via ssh as 'admin' using a password, but I cannot sudo or su anymore |
| 14:14.14 | themill | victoria: no, use backports.org instead. /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 14:16.27 | niklaswe | does someone know any good taskbar for pekwm? |
| 14:17.24 | kmq | this is my /etc/pam.d/sudo http://pastebin.org/55519 |
| 14:17.53 | Pierreb | anyone know how to rotate logs? i just dont get it to wokr :-/ |
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| 14:18.14 | kmq | and this is /etc/pam.d/sshd: http://pastebin.org/55520 |
| 14:18.22 | kmq | could someone help me spot the difference ? |
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| 14:18.33 | kmq | or have any other advice on where to look ? |
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| 14:19.26 | victoria | themill: do I have to remove lenny repositories from apt/sources.list? |
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| 14:19.59 | victoria | themill: if not, does it matter the order in which I put them there? |
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| 14:20.45 | themill | victoria: no. backports just makes some extra packages available. Order is not important in your sources.list, you define priorities using pinning. Follow the instructions on backports.org |
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| 14:22.36 | victoria | themill: thanks |
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| 14:25.48 | victoria | How can I avoid all the questions in aptitude? -y is not enough ... |
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| 14:26.06 | JPT | maybe -f? |
| 14:26.41 | victoria | well, only warnings, like this one: WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 14:26.52 | victoria | Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? |
| 14:26.54 | victoria | To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No": n |
| 14:27.12 | jelly | victoria: don't ignore that warning! |
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| 14:27.55 | jelly | victoria: are you using any third party repositories? |
| 14:28.10 | craigevil | she just needs to install the backports key |
| 14:28.17 | victoria | jelly: yes, backports |
| 14:28.36 | victoria | and i am trying to aptitude install debian-backports-keyring |
| 14:28.51 | slope | If anyone remembers my problem with Evolution and Gmail with IMAP I solved it now. I had "imap.google.com" but it should have been "imap.gmail.com". That only took a few hours to figure out... |
| 14:28.52 | jelly | victoria: you have to ignore it for that one package, however |
| 14:28.55 | slope | is an idiot |
| 14:29.04 | jelly | victoria: so tell Yes |
| 14:29.25 | victoria | yes, but i am running it in a shell script |
| 14:29.37 | victoria | jelly:yes, but i am running it in a shell script |
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| 14:30.30 | themill | victoria: if you need to be able to script this, then use the apt-key method described on the instructions page on backports.org |
| 14:30.38 | jelly | victoria: download the package with wget and install with dpkg -i, then |
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| 14:31.15 | jelly | who reads the instructions anyway |
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| 14:31.29 | themill | jelly: the same person who reads /topic. |
| 14:31.32 | victoria | jelly: I have read them |
| 14:31.55 | victoria | jelly: and I have found this switch for apptitude Aptitude::CmdLine::Ignore-Trust-Violations |
| 14:32.22 | themill | See... I'd prefer to use apt-key for this purpose. |
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| 14:33.27 | victoria | themill: Ok I'll use apt-key |
| 14:33.29 | victoria | :( |
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| 14:34.20 | themill | victoria: it's up to you. Depends on whether you think the chances of someone being able to slip a dodgy debian-backports-keyring package into your proxy server is non-zero. |
| 14:35.29 | beli | hi, i installed a foreign php5.3 package....now i want to downgrade to php 5.2.6 again...howto do that? |
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| 14:35.54 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions bitlbee |
| 14:35.55 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: bitlbee -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3 etch-backports: 1.2.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.2.3-1 sid: 1.2.4-1+b1 |
| 14:36.28 | victoria | themill:wow, I have no idea on that |
| 14:36.55 | victoria | themill:anyway, now I am ready to install openoffice from backports, should I uninstall it previously? |
| 14:37.25 | victoria | themill: because there are lots of conflicts |
| 14:37.50 | jpinx-eeepc | beli: I believe you'll have to totally purge the old one first and then install the version you really want. Downgrading is not usually supported.. |
| 14:37.55 | themill | victoria: shouldn't need to. "aptitude -t lenny-backports install openoffice.org" should be enough -- aptitude should work out the conflicts and decide to upgrade appropriate bits to OOo3 for you. |
| 14:38.06 | jelly | victoria: you might as well paste the exported key in the script and pipe it to apt-key add - |
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| 14:41.11 | neoice | ok, so I just fixed a major issue involving libc and some other libraries. now login/pam is having issues with LDAP users |
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| 14:41.35 | neoice | getent shows them, but I cant login or su. is there a way to get these restarted and linked up properly without rebooting the whole machine? |
| 14:41.40 | Titan8990 | neoice, what problems with libc? |
| 14:42.06 | neoice | Titan8990: dont ask. there wasnt one. |
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| 14:42.43 | Titan8990 | uhh, what was the major issue that involved libc? |
| 14:43.04 | pigdude | What does Debian 6 use for Flash by default? I'm trying to disable/uninstall it because my CPU usage spikes significantly when viewing the simplest of SWFs |
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| 14:43.11 | neoice | Titan8990: I'll clarify I guess: it didnt exist. |
| 14:43.18 | neoice | there was no libc |
| 14:43.24 | neoice | and a few other libraries went missing. |
| 14:43.48 | Titan8990 | how is that even possible? |
| 14:44.13 | neoice | I said dont ask. dark voodoo messing with things I know I shouldnt mess with. |
| 14:44.14 | Titan8990 | pigdude, no debian 6 unless you are referring to squeeze/testing. and there is no flash by default so whatever you installed |
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| 14:44.37 | pigdude | Titan8990, I have not installed anything related to browsing on this machine. |
| 14:44.49 | pigdude | Titan8990, save firebug and adblock |
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| 14:45.55 | Titan8990 | pigdude, about:plugins in iceweasel |
| 14:46.06 | EagleRock | pigdude: I think the default program is gnash |
| 14:46.17 | pigdude | EagleRock, I checked, that's not installed here |
| 14:46.56 | slope | Isn't it swfdec ? |
| 14:47.02 | pigdude | Titan8990, "libswfdecmozilla.so" appears to be the culprit and is there by default |
| 14:47.19 | EagleRock | it might be swfdec actually, yes |
| 14:47.21 | pigdude | slope, yea, I don't think my machine likes it much :) |
| 14:47.31 | slope | swfdec-gnome is automatically installed it seems |
| 14:47.40 | neoice | is there a way to restart getty? |
| 14:47.46 | pigdude | Titan8990, thanks, I've never visited about:plugins before, quite useful |
| 14:48.00 | themill | neoice: "killall getty" and init will respawn them |
| 14:48.02 | slope | pigdude: you should check out noscript (addon for firefox) |
| 14:48.21 | pigdude | slope, I'm primarily a JS dev :) |
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| 14:48.31 | Titan8990 | !tell pigdude about adobe-flash |
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| 14:48.40 | Titan8990 | pigdude, remove current flash and replace it with adobe |
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| 14:48.45 | M4K4V3l1 | hi |
| 14:48.49 | Titan8990 | !tell pigdude about adobe flash |
| 14:48.51 | pigdude | Titan8990, thanks, I know where to find that |
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| 14:48.58 | pigdude | Titan8990, I think it's in the wiki too, right? |
| 14:48.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: and install flashblock :p |
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| 14:49.18 | M4K4V3l1 | I can't run my ldap server :( |
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| 14:49.25 | M4K4V3l1 | I got this error message |
| 14:49.37 | pigdude | jpinx-eeepc, good call |
| 14:49.44 | Titan8990 | pigdude, yeah, but I don't think its very detailed at all |
| 14:49.54 | M4K4V3l1 | Stopping OpenLDAP: slapd. |
| 14:49.54 | M4K4V3l1 | Starting OpenLDAP: slapd - failed. |
| 14:49.55 | Titan8990 | pigdude, just install it from dmm or lenny-backports |
| 14:49.55 | pigdude | Titan8990, I've never had trouble in the past |
| 14:50.28 | Titan8990 | pigdude, IIRC all it has it a chart of flashplayers with a link next to adobe's on how to enable backports |
| 14:51.12 | M4K4V3l1 | any help plz ? |
| 14:51.22 | victoria | themill:How can I now which packages are in lenny-backports? |
| 14:52.25 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, check /var/log/messages? |
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| 14:53.02 | themill | victoria: the best approach is to go and look (apt-cache policy foo) at specific packages that you know you want a newer version of, like openoffice.org. Upgrading lots to bpo is not recommended. aptitude search '~Vbpo' will also tell you what's available. |
| 14:53.08 | neoice | hey, will single-user mode cause pam/nss/ldap to regain its mind?? |
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| 14:54.39 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: thank you for asnwering.. the slapd.log file is empty.. but instead I tried to run slapd in debug mode : "slapd -d 16383" so I got this error |
| 14:55.05 | themill | victoria: (add a ~i to the end of that search pattern to just see a list of packages that you already have installed that also have a version on bpo) |
| 14:55.10 | M4K4V3l1 | line 39 (checkpoint 512 30) |
| 14:55.10 | M4K4V3l1 | line 41 (directory "/var/lib/ldap/far.ma") |
| 14:55.10 | M4K4V3l1 | /etc/ldap/slapd.conf: line 41: invalid path: Permission denied |
| 14:55.10 | M4K4V3l1 | slapd destroy: freeing system resources. |
| 14:55.10 | M4K4V3l1 | slapd stopped. |
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| 14:55.23 | M4K4V3l1 | sorry |
| 14:55.36 | pigdude | Titan8990, actually I didn't need backports, it's available in squeeze non-free |
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| 14:55.47 | Titan8990 | !tell M4K4V3l1 about paste |
| 14:55.49 | themill | pigdude: don't mix stable and testing |
| 14:56.02 | M4K4V3l1 | ok |
| 14:56.06 | pigdude | themill, I'm running testing |
| 14:56.22 | themill | oh? missed that. sorry. |
| 14:56.30 | Titan8990 | themill, flashplayer is just a single libflashplayer.so IIRC, and won't matter in this case |
| 14:56.38 | pigdude | themill, np :) |
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| 14:57.10 | themill | Titan8990: yeah, that's a safe one in general, but we see enough people who get a taste for such mixes once they've done it once and then expect us to unbreak things later. Mixing releases is habit-forming. |
| 14:57.12 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, looks like you have something wrong on line 41 of your config.... the error is pretty clear |
| 14:57.54 | M4K4V3l1 | I checked it man.. it's talking about permission denied problem |
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| 14:58.41 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, ok... is that file owned by openldap:openldap? |
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| 14:59.29 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: yes.. root@author:~/author2# ls -la /var/lib/ldap/far : drwx------ 2 openldap openldap 4096 2009-11-20 14:43 . |
| 14:59.47 | pom | I'm currently on Lenny and I wish to install lighttpd from unstable. I'm interested how this will be handled by aptitude. Will it remember that lighttpd is installed from unstable if I run an upgrade? |
| 14:59.58 | pom | And can it be done without caveats. |
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| 15:00.21 | jpinx-eeepc | pom use backports |
| 15:00.34 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, thats not the same dir name |
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| 15:02.03 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: don't worry about that.. I just cleared the text to not being kicked from the channel.. so I did erase some caracteres |
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| 15:04.00 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, is that what you have changed your modulepath to? |
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| 15:05.10 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: I will paste the entire files and steps I took at pastebin |
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| 15:07.17 | pigdude | Titan8990, themill, EagleRock, slope, thanks for all the help, I appreciate it! |
| 15:07.48 | EagleRock | pigdude: you're welcome :-) |
| 15:07.57 | pigdude | hugs debian |
| 15:08.14 | EagleRock | !hug pigdude |
| 15:08.14 | dpkg | gives pigdude a hug |
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| 15:10.02 | pom | jpinx-eeepc: Is lighty in Backports already? |
| 15:10.20 | jpinx-eeepc | pom: dunno - check their site |
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| 15:10.34 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions lighty |
| 15:10.35 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: lighty -- |
| 15:10.50 | jpinx-eeepc | pom: lighty is not a .deb it would appear |
| 15:11.20 | themill | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:11.21 | hark | judd: versions lighttpd |
| 15:11.22 | judd | hark: lighttpd -- etch: 1.4.13-4etch11 etch-security: 1.4.13-4etch11 etch-backports: 1.4.19-5~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.4.19-5 squeeze: 1.4.23-3+b2 sid: 1.4.24-1 |
| 15:11.36 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: everything is here : http://paste.debian.net/51978/ |
| 15:13.00 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, openldap does not have permission to read any of the files in that directory |
| 15:13.05 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, fix that |
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| 15:14.04 | hark | pom: no, it might be tough to backport it, but you can try. /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 15:15.03 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: ok I will run : chown -r openldap.openldap /var/lib/ldap/far.ma/ ? |
| 15:15.11 | oggei | moin |
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| 15:17.27 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: still got the same error |
| 15:17.48 | hark | pom: just checked, should be quite easy to backport |
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| 15:18.27 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, chown -R |
| 15:19.19 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: I know... everything is owned by openldap.openldap and even unsecured chmod 777 |
| 15:19.26 | M4K4V3l1 | just for test |
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| 15:20.04 | joltcan | M4K4V3l1: enable tons of debugging on the ldap daemon |
| 15:20.20 | joltcan | M4K4V3l1: Thats the only way to figure out the errors. It's crazy anal on that |
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| 15:20.56 | M4K4V3l1 | joltcan: do you want me to paste that in pastebin ? |
| 15:21.11 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, then it sounds like its a configuration problem |
| 15:21.19 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, move over to #openldap |
| 15:21.49 | joltcan | M4K4V3l1: Sorry, but it's cob over here, so I'm out |
| 15:22.05 | joltcan | M4K4V3l1: but like Titan8990 said, most likely some configuration error |
| 15:22.10 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: I did it before coming here.. no one is alive like #debian channel |
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| 15:22.23 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, may have to hang out for a while |
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| 15:22.58 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, personally I couldn't find documentation for the "directory" directive at all and I'm not familiar with openldap so I won't be of any more help |
| 15:23.01 | garou | hi i have a question...i had uninstalled the openjdk and installed the java in the place...i had discovered that only java could play some noises in one of my favorite application...now =/ the netbeans doesnt start..and i think is about this... |
| 15:23.06 | garou | how can i solve this? |
| 15:23.24 | Titan8990 | garou, did you change your java env with update-java-alternatives |
| 15:23.31 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: Ok, but thank you anyway |
| 15:24.33 | garou | well i changed when i installed java...but i had uninstalled openjdk for now...so there is only a option... |
| 15:25.26 | themill | garou: "installed the java" meaning what? |
| 15:26.36 | garou | mean i have installed sun-java6-jdk and uninstalled openjdk6 for example |
| 15:26.44 | garou | the same to jre |
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| 15:27.54 | garou | i just tryed force my application to use sunjava and not openjdk and the sound works perfectly...but...now...looks like netbeans couldnt start... |
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| 15:28.26 | garou | can i let sunjava as default to my application and openjdk for other? |
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| 15:32.08 | neoice | if i have an existing partition layout using md+lvm and i need to reinstall, is the installer smart enough to figure out the layout? |
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| 15:34.50 | EagleRock | neoice: the installer should have the modules necessary to talk to md and lvm. You could try running the installer and see if the partitioner recognizes your setup...if not, youc an back out of the install before you do anything and troubleshoot |
| 15:35.35 | benedikt | Im not sure if this would be relevant in #dovecot or maybe its a Maildir thing. But i have a mail server with postfix (Maildir) and dovecot. Rules created with Evolution doesnt seem to work, so i think im missing something. |
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| 15:36.15 | FredWP | Does anyone have any idea what Intel Vtt is? In the BIOS settings of a PC I'm setting up it mentions this, but nowhere can I find what it stands for. |
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| 15:37.52 | RichardT | does anybody know what this error means? http://amkb.nl |
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| 15:39.25 | benedikt | RichardT: what is buisnesschallenge.nl? |
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| 15:40.37 | garou | I dont know if this could help me but...how could I force my application at its start to use sunj-java and not openjdk? |
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| 15:40.58 | Titan8990 | update-java-alternatives |
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| 15:41.28 | RichardT | benedikt: it's a loading script, but I see now that it's an IE error |
| 15:41.32 | RichardT | hate that |
| 15:41.35 | garou | can i input this command you its desktop link? |
| 15:41.36 | RichardT | sorry |
| 15:41.51 | benedikt | RichardT: i didnt see any error. |
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| 15:42.01 | RichardT | which IE version? |
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| 15:43.15 | ccbbaa | does kde4 allow application desktop icons to be assigned to one of the desktops ? |
| 15:43.16 | garou | but i prefer only this application starts with sun-java and not the others... |
| 15:43.23 | ccbbaa | instead of being on all of them ? |
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| 15:44.11 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: I used the same Makefile of ldap installation, it works in the first server, it doesn't in the second.. how can you explain that ? |
| 15:44.17 | RichardT | ah, wrong channel anyways... so sorry, cheers and have a nice weekend |
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| 15:44.48 | ccbbaa | hehe the error is IE |
| 15:45.41 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, your not using the debian package? |
| 15:46.01 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: ok you are right |
| 15:46.18 | M4K4V3l1 | Titan8990: but give me your opinion |
| 15:46.43 | simonrvn | "you're" ;) |
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| 15:47.14 | SUNNYNARULA18 | M4K4V3l1: are the compilers same on both servers |
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| 15:47.26 | Titan8990 | M4K4V3l1, couldn't say without an error but your not going to get much support from tainting your system with non-debian manually compiled packages |
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| 15:49.01 | M4K4V3l1 | SUNNYNARULA18: don't know, but it's the same OS version |
| 15:49.16 | M4K4V3l1 | p3rror: you man |
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| 15:51.50 | p3rror | salam M4K4V3l1 |
| 15:52.42 | M4K4V3l1 | :) |
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| 15:54.33 | simonrvn | M4K4V3l1: we don't support stuff not in debian. this *is* #debian, not ##linux or #ldap / #openldap (since you're talking about openldap) |
| 15:54.52 | SUNNYNARULA18 | is away |
| 15:55.13 | abrotman | !tell SUNNYNARULA18 about away |
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| 15:55.31 | abrotman | FredWP: did you ask ##hardware ? |
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| 15:56.14 | M4K4V3l1 | simonrvn: but what if nobody can help me in other channels ??? |
| 15:56.14 | thrashold | How can I add a wireless connection to Network Manager? |
| 15:56.16 | \amethyst | M4K4V3l1: it might be that programs are linking against Debian's ldap libraries, which are looking for configuration files etc in a different place from your manually-compiled version |
| 15:57.07 | nan8 | thrashold: which debian version? |
| 15:57.13 | thrashold | nan8: sid |
| 15:57.14 | M4K4V3l1 | M4K4V3l1: and it's a general question even the name of the package contain debian word : @(#) $OpenLDAP: slapd 2.4.9 (Mar 31 2009 07:12:16) $ |
| 15:57.15 | M4K4V3l1 | buildd@rothera:/build/buildd/openldap2.3-2.4.9/debian/build/servers/slapd |
| 15:57.32 | simonrvn | \amethyst, M4K4V3l1: i'd say that's extrememly likely |
| 15:57.39 | M4K4V3l1 | \amethyst: hmm |
| 15:57.40 | simonrvn | extremely* |
| 15:57.41 | nan8 | thrashold: cant help then |
| 15:58.01 | simonrvn | 2.4.9 ? why such an ancient version? |
| 15:58.05 | nan8 | thrashold: which frontend? |
| 15:58.22 | simonrvn | M4K4V3l1: lenny's has a later version... |
| 15:58.49 | FredWP | abrotman, I figured it out. |
| 15:58.53 | thrashold | nan8: Eh, gnome network manager, but I want to add the wireless network without it, because it doesn't work. (It silently fails when I tell it to add the connection for all users) |
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| 15:58.56 | FredWP | themill, are you there? |
| 15:59.08 | thrashold | Something like a console tool for configuring network manager |
| 15:59.11 | garou | Titan8990 thanks so much...really wiht openjdk netbeans could start...and using the comando updata-java-alternavies java-6-sun i can using both...netbeans and my application wiht sound^^...have a good weekend people. |
| 15:59.17 | thrashold | or a description of the configuration files |
| 15:59.27 | simonrvn | thrashold: n-m is screwy that way |
| 15:59.29 | thrashold | with examples |
| 15:59.59 | thrashold | simonrvn: So I'm best off removing it and configuring wpa supplicant manually? |
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| 16:00.01 | Titan8990 | garou, good to see |
| 16:00.50 | simonrvn | thrashold: try wicd maybe |
| 16:01.14 | nan8 | will network-manager be the default for squeeze? |
| 16:01.26 | thrashold | simonrvn: Thanks :) I'll try it :) |
| 16:01.47 | Titan8990 | nan8, the "default" will remain ifup/ifdown |
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| 16:03.33 | hark | nan8: for gnome it's already the default |
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| 16:08.25 | nan8 | ups 4.1G is not enough for a default squeeze install :-( |
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| 16:09.15 | nan8 | how much is needed? |
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| 16:10.35 | nan8 | maybe some details: install via netboot, laptop, desktop tasks |
| 16:10.36 | Mallxs | where does apache stores his certs ? |
| 16:10.38 | hark | with desktop, 5G |
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| 16:11.01 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, depends on the directory you define for it |
| 16:11.02 | nan8 | maybe the installer should handle out of disk space better? |
| 16:11.22 | adnc_ | hello, i'm trying to build a kernel and i get this error "dpkg-gencontrol: error: package linux-image-2.6.30 not in control info" what does it mean not in control info? |
| 16:11.28 | Mallxs | ok thx so i have to check my conf |
| 16:11.41 | nan8 | hark: will try |
| 16:11.47 | nan8 | hark: thx |
| 16:12.20 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, if you modified the default config, /etc/ssl/* |
| 16:13.31 | nan8 | damn - installer killed once again my mbr - without asking me! |
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| 16:15.13 | simonrvn | nan8: um, default squeeze install should be no more than 500-750 MB. you're adding in extra tasks.... which pulls in a lot more. |
| 16:15.50 | nan8 | simonrvn: by default laptop and desktop is selected |
| 16:16.31 | pflanze | How do I enable java (I've got sun-java6-jre installed) in Firefox/Iceweasel or Galeon? |
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| 16:16.44 | Mallxs | I apache still sigfaults .. and i have reinstalled most of the stuff but was thinking maybe it is a broken cert .. but there are lots of them .. is there a way to test them ? |
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| 16:17.06 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, segfualts? what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:17.27 | hark | pflanze: install the plugin |
| 16:17.38 | mjmt | pflanze: Install sun-java6-plugin |
| 16:17.52 | pflanze | aha. Wrong search terms |
| 16:17.55 | pflanze | Thx |
| 16:18.20 | Titan8990 | pflanze, you may still need to run update-java-alternatives after |
| 16:18.30 | pflanze | Already done that |
| 16:18.40 | simonrvn | nan8: yes i know. uncheck them and install what you want manually (you get a chance to do that after tasksel) |
| 16:19.50 | Mallxs | Titan8990: i'm on lenny 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Apache/2.2.9 (Debian) Nov 14 2009 20:23:49 |
| 16:20.09 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, and your using the debian package for apache2? |
| 16:20.23 | pflanze | Ok, that changes something, the web app now doesn't just plainly tell me I don't have java, but it just hangs instead. |
| 16:20.35 | pflanze | Actually the whole browser hangs. |
| 16:21.09 | Mallxs | Titan8990: yes, only the LAMP stack |
| 16:21.23 | nan8 | restored his mbr |
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| 16:22.24 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, and it works without SSL? |
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| 16:22.49 | Mallxs | Yep |
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| 16:23.01 | Mallxs | No no i'm not working with |
| 16:23.18 | Mallxs | ssl at the moment so its only http |
| 16:23.22 | Arelis | Hello people. I want to try out Debian, but I don't want software that is really outdated - but I don't want my system to crash all the time either. What repository should I use? |
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| 16:23.57 | Mallxs | Titan8990: and accessing 'it workes' already sigfaults |
| 16:24.14 | pflanze | mjmt: for me Firefox/Iceweasel just hangs now (won't even update the screen anymore) when I access any java applet. |
| 16:24.20 | pflanze | 64bit here. |
| 16:24.28 | Titan8990 | Arelis, lenny with backports as needed |
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| 16:24.51 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, where do you see the sefault? /var/log/messages? |
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| 16:25.31 | Mallxs | Titan8990: I have post a bug report http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=511094 my'n is at the bottum of the page 'Arthur' |
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| 16:25.47 | naddey | ah shit...Linux broke my ipaq |
| 16:26.01 | Mallxs | Titan8990: [Fri Nov 20 17:26:18 2009] [notice] child pid 15435 exit signal Segmentation fault (11) |
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| 16:27.39 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, I see, but that post shows a different kernel version that you mentioned earlier, 2.6.22.1 |
| 16:27.46 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, was this box upgraded from etch? |
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| 16:28.30 | mjmt | pflanze: Tried the appletviewer? Could at least narrow it down to the browser or Java. |
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| 16:28.42 | pflanze | mjmt: standalone java viewer works |
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| 16:29.20 | Mallxs | Titan8990: I did a dist-upgrade in between .. and no I have had avery bad disk in Aug and idi a fresh install rom netinstall |
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| 16:29.54 | pflanze | has to go |
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| 16:30.19 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, did you restore some backup files after the fresh install? |
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| 16:31.20 | Mallxs | Titan8990: not on the system disk ... only on the user partitions an mounted them |
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| 16:34.22 | naddey | ah shit...Linux broke my ipaq |
| 16:34.35 | adnc_ | is there a different irc channel that deals with kernel and compilation? |
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| 16:35.19 | Mallxs | Titan8990: Normaly this machine is umming 24x7 in the corner of the room, and one day on the other this started .. thats why i was looking .. to clear the cache and or new cerst .. any how .. data i have no control over |
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| 16:36.14 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, certs are not used unless you are using ssl |
| 16:36.29 | Mallxs | and the cache ? |
| 16:36.56 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, are you also using svn? |
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| 16:37.10 | Mallxs | Nop |
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| 16:38.52 | fluke | can someone help me, just finished installing squeeze and when i boot up i get to login screen in a console style, no gui at all? |
| 16:38.53 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, are you running mod_cache? did you try to disable it as a work-around? |
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| 16:39.19 | fixUp | I'm having trouble trying to install netinst Lenny, my NIC isnt detected, I believe it should use the igb module |
| 16:39.21 | CodeNinja | I think tzdata has a fail :\ |
| 16:39.32 | fixUp | How do I load a kernel module using expert install ? |
| 16:39.42 | Titan8990 | fluke, squeeze is testing and is for people who are familiar with debian and are able to fix their own problems and file bug reports accordingly |
| 16:39.48 | Titan8990 | !tell fixUp about kumu |
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| 16:40.18 | Mallxs | Titan8990: mod_cache is not in my mods-enabled dir ... |
| 16:40.18 | fluke | Titan8990: i read the only way to fix my no dispay input was to get squeeze, my gpu is to new for lenny and theres no fix for it |
| 16:40.44 | Titan8990 | fluke, which is that? |
| 16:41.01 | Mallxs | Titan8990: they are lockiing my out of the building i'm working .. so i have to go home ... wil be back later .. thx anyhow |
| 16:41.09 | CodeNinja | my tzdata package is telling me its 9:35am UTC, 2:35AM MST, but its 9:35am MST... I tried sudo dpkg-reconfigure and it set it to 2am, I have a windows vbox on the machine, but its set to manual time and its being given the same time as my debian box is, either one I set gets kicked back, whats with this? |
| 16:41.13 | fluke | Titan8990: 5870 |
| 16:41.44 | fluke | id get to login screen then screen goes blank and small window says no input display |
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| 16:42.37 | jaffa8 | hi |
| 16:42.48 | jaffa8 | I copied my home directoryh |
| 16:42.57 | jaffa8 | into another directory |
| 16:43.08 | jaffa8 | which I named as home directory |
| 16:43.08 | fluke | i do wonder why debian is as popular as it is, it has so many bugs |
| 16:43.15 | Titan8990 | !enter |
| 16:43.15 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 16:43.25 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, this is a tough one, give me a few to look it over |
| 16:44.21 | jaffa8 | when I start a new console window, the starting directory is /home2 which the old home directory mv.-ed. |
| 16:44.26 | Titan8990 | fluke, debian and red hat are by far the most stable linux distros imo |
| 16:44.38 | jaffa8 | Can you tell me what is wrong? |
| 16:44.42 | Titan8990 | fluke, lack of hardware support from a vendor that makes terrible drivers is not a bug |
| 16:44.49 | Justin | jaffa8: log out and back in? |
| 16:45.12 | fluke | ati 5870 is hardly a terrible card and sapphire is hardly a terrible vendor tbh |
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| 16:45.24 | fluke | its one of the best gpus on the market |
| 16:45.36 | Titan8990 | fluke, i was talking about ATI, whose fglrx drivers are terrible in comparison to the nvidia drivers |
| 16:45.47 | Titan8990 | fluke, same goes for cuda vs stream |
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| 16:46.05 | jaffa8 | Justin,that did not help |
| 16:46.33 | fluke | aye true, just pissing me off now tbh, spent all day today and yesterday trying to get debian working, i have from today 17 multiple boot distros including slackware, freebsd and solaris.. but debian..no just no |
| 16:46.35 | Justin | jaffa8: what did you do to break it like that? |
| 16:46.56 | jaffa8 | I wrote is above |
| 16:47.09 | jaffa8 | Justin, copied the home directory |
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| 16:47.19 | Justin | jaffa8: and? |
| 16:47.22 | jaffa8 | I put it on another drive. |
| 16:47.32 | Justin | jaffa8: and then? |
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| 16:47.52 | jaffa8 | that is it |
| 16:48.00 | jaffa8 | renamed the older home to home 2. |
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| 16:48.06 | J_P | hi all |
| 16:48.10 | jaffa8 | renamed the copy of the home to home. |
| 16:48.11 | djura-san | hello 2 all |
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| 16:48.27 | Titan8990 | jaffa8, what was the expected outcome of that? STOP using enter for punctuation |
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| 16:48.45 | jaffa8 | THese are new sentences. |
| 16:48.54 | J_P | People, anyone know if SMART (via smartctl ) show how many hours the Disc has worked? |
| 16:49.08 | Justin | jaffa8: pretty sure it does |
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| 16:50.22 | lwithers | fluke: I don't think there are linux drivers for the 5870 yet; certainly the open source ones (radeon/radeonhd) don't support it |
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| 16:50.44 | Titan8990 | Mallxs, yeah... I don't have any ideas on work-arounds |
| 16:51.04 | cahoot | J_P: smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep -i power_on |
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| 16:51.35 | fluke | lwithers: aye prolly not but ive thrown in my 4870 aswell earlier today and still no luck, that card defo has support i have full compiz running on most of the distros when i use it but debian still doesnt seem to like it for some reason |
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| 16:51.53 | Titan8990 | fluke, did you follow the steps for install fglrx? |
| 16:52.01 | J_P | cahoot: here power_on shows 400900, thats is 36 years... that number is right? |
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| 16:52.22 | fluke | Titan8990: yeah i did with lenny, with squeeze i just done a fresh install got no gui so gave up :S |
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| 16:52.43 | Titan8990 | fluke, you gave up before you even installed the driver? |
| 16:53.10 | fluke | doesnt it come with squeeze after i update? |
| 16:53.12 | thebusker | hi all. Debian 5 fresh install seems incompatible w/ monitor. Have edited xorg.confs for Hsync & Vrefresh. Also have ran dpkg-recon... Any pointers, leads or suggestions? |
| 16:53.23 | J_P | cahoot: see? |
| 16:53.27 | Justin | thebusker: seems? |
| 16:53.31 | Titan8990 | fluke, no, you will never find anything proprietary "come with debian" |
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| 16:53.42 | Titan8990 | !tell fluke about dfsg |
| 16:53.42 | lwithers | J_P: disks don't always follow the standards; could be that field is in minutes or some other units |
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| 16:53.54 | fluke | Titan8990: o ok, i,ll give it a try i guess, if it fails im going to go nutty :D |
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| 16:54.13 | cahoot | J_P: gives a reasonable output here |
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| 16:54.51 | thebusker | justin: well, before I blame Debian for my newbness wanted t be cautious. ;) 'Input Not Supported' is all I see. |
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| 16:55.12 | J_P | cahoot: http://dpaste.com/122912/ |
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| 16:55.30 | henn1nk | ubuntu \o/ |
| 16:56.12 | lwithers | J_P: man smartctl and then search for the "9,halfminutes" option |
| 16:56.33 | lwithers | J_P: it says "This format is used by some Samsung disks.", so that could match yours |
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| 16:57.32 | J_P | lwithers: yes |
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| 16:58.10 | djura-san | hello |
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| 16:59.13 | J_P | lwithers: but when I know when a disc is conted in minutes or hours? |
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| 17:00.20 | lwithers | J_P: you don't; that's the problem with disk manufacturers not following standards |
| 17:00.32 | djura-san | i installed Lenny (used netinstall) and i disabled network during installation (hate to wait updates during installaton). Now, last time i used Debian (etch) i have no internet but now i have. I edited /etc/network/interfaces and i included "eth0" (besides "lo") as connection. Is that all i have to do or do i have to set up anything else? |
| 17:00.48 | jelly | J_P: uh... take note of the value, wait 10 minutes, take note of the value again? |
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| 17:01.44 | J_P | jelly ok |
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| 17:02.21 | J_P | lwithers: well, but normal is hours, but can be minutes, well. So when number is very long, probably is in minutes :-) |
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| 17:06.38 | J_P | jelly yes in minutes.. change each minute... ;-) |
| 17:07.20 | cahoot | J_P: yearold disk? |
| 17:07.41 | Diilbert | I am having a weird issue with passwordless su. I turned uncommented the auth sufficient pam_wheel.so trust |
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| 17:08.31 | Diilbert | and am able to login to su without password, but as soon as I type _anything_ it kicks me out of su |
| 17:08.31 | J_P | cahoot: 409163 -> 0,77 years old |
| 17:08.41 | J_P | cahoot: caounting in minutes |
| 17:08.54 | djura-san | is away: busy |
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| 17:09.29 | Diilbert | I am using debian 5.0 and yes the user is a member of the wheel group. Any thoughts? |
| 17:10.00 | Titan8990 | Diilbert, there is not a wheel group in debian, unless you manually created it |
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| 17:11.41 | eevo | part |
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| 17:11.50 | jaffa8 | Justin: it works again. |
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| 17:12.07 | Diilbert | Titan8990: Yes I did and I uncommented the line mentioned above as it appears in /etc/pam.d/su |
| 17:13.04 | Titan8990 | Diilbert, had you considered just doing no passwd sudo? |
| 17:13.19 | Titan8990 | thinks that both way are just a bad idea |
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| 17:16.18 | Diilbert | Titan8990: I want to give a few people root access without having to give away the password |
| 17:16.25 | Diilbert | Titan8990: Without the annoyance of sudo |
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| 17:16.57 | Titan8990 | Diilbert, is sudo -i insdead of su really an annoyance? and your doing this a multi-user system? *gasp* |
| 17:17.21 | bzrk_ | Diilbert: thats a bad idea |
| 17:17.31 | bzrk_ | Diilbert: whats wrong about sudo su - ? |
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| 17:17.53 | bzrk_ | and it sounds like you broke the pam mechanisms somwhow |
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| 17:18.21 | EagleRock | I wasn't aware sudo was such a hassle |
| 17:19.00 | jpinx-eeepc | EagleRock: sudo is no hassle if it's used right ;) |
| 17:19.02 | simonrvn | "omg, i have to type in a passwd when it hasn't been used for XX minutes. OHNOZ!" |
| 17:19.03 | Diilbert | EagleRock: I do not ssh into my box as root, so running commands with sudo all the time is annoying |
| 17:19.11 | EagleRock | sudo su - root? |
| 17:19.20 | Titan8990 | Diilbert, sudo -i |
| 17:19.21 | simonrvn | oh please |
| 17:19.24 | damjan | or âsudo -i" |
| 17:19.46 | EagleRock | that too |
| 17:19.47 | simonrvn | learn how to use su and sudo, then we'll talk |
| 17:19.57 | jpinx-eeepc | exactly ;) |
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| 17:21.17 | Diilbert | I am just trying to figure out the best way to do it. I understand both ways, was just polling for ideas. So there is no real reason to be toolie |
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| 17:21.45 | bzrk_ | Diilbert: passwordless root login is just plain wrong |
| 17:21.56 | Diilbert | Titan8990: I did not realize sudo had an interactive mode. |
| 17:22.03 | simonrvn | bzrk_: i disable shit like sudo su - for most everyone in sudoers, and only allow it for some selected users. |
| 17:22.19 | simonrvn | *facepalm* |
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| 17:22.31 | Diilbert | bzrk_: It is not ideal, but I am will to deal with the risk. |
| 17:22.50 | bzrk_ | Diilbert: just make sudo accounts for your users and let them sudo su - |
| 17:23.02 | bzrk_ | if they absolutely have to have root access |
| 17:23.07 | simonrvn | Diilbert: just make sure you don't allow that thing anywhere near an internet connection. |
| 17:23.15 | jelly | simonrvn: there's a million ways to work around that, if you're blacklisting commands instead of whitelisting the selected few |
| 17:23.16 | Diilbert | bzrk_: That is the plan. |
| 17:23.16 | bzrk_ | simonrvn: haha you read my mind ^^ |
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| 17:23.40 | simonrvn | jelly: ;) |
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| 17:24.26 | jpinx-eeepc | Diilbert: anything root does needs a password - do something else with permissions on another user |
| 17:24.28 | bzrk_ | Diilbert: nice then all you need to do is fix your broken login now ;) |
| 17:24.54 | jelly | broken su, not login. |
| 17:25.04 | bzrk_ | yes mr anal |
| 17:26.07 | Diilbert | jelly: I know what bzrk_ is referring to |
| 17:26.22 | Titan8990 | bzrk_, they are different commands... |
| 17:26.36 | jelly | I know you know, it's just the system isn't that broken |
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| 17:28.45 | Diilbert | Althought it should work the way I have it now, because I am using the same configuration on a different server AND it works (running 5.0 as well) |
| 17:29.14 | simonrvn | (not for long) |
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| 17:31.25 | Titan8990 | until one of your users decides to do something stupid |
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| 17:32.01 | simonrvn | ..or allow root ssh login |
| 17:32.15 | EagleRock | or type "passwd" when su'd as root |
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| 17:33.33 | bzrk_ | Diilbert: btw congrats on ircing from a work ip, someone probably will find the root login without password on your /16 :) |
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| 17:33.51 | simonrvn | (only a matter of time) |
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| 17:34.02 | bzrk_ | and nmap is pretty fast these days ^^ |
| 17:35.21 | Titan8990 | can't forget about autopwn |
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| 17:36.11 | slope | is there a way to see which packages I myself have installed via aptitude? |
| 17:36.17 | simonrvn | layers people, layers. removing a layer is just dumb. |
| 17:36.22 | bzrk_ | slope: dpkg -l |
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| 17:37.12 | nan8 | bzrk_: probably not what slope meant |
| 17:37.32 | jpinx-eeepc | slope: as opposed to what? |
| 17:38.06 | bzrk_ | nan8: what did he mean? |
| 17:38.11 | slope | jpinx-eeepc: as opposed to stuff that was installed during the installation. I'm talking about the things I've installed by doing for example "aptitude install randomapp" |
| 17:38.26 | nan8 | bzrk_: he probably only wants the ones not installed automatically |
| 17:38.42 | slope | say I install a some stuff to try it out and then want to delete it but don't remember everything I installed. |
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| 17:38.58 | nan8 | slope: there recently was a discussion on debian-users (or was it debian-devel?) |
| 17:38.59 | jpinx-eeepc | slope: aptitude logs |
| 17:38.59 | EagleRock | slope: /var/log/aptitude perhaps? |
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| 17:40.10 | slope | yes! that looks like what I want, thanks! |
| 17:40.31 | slope | nan8: was the discussion about /var/log/aptitude or some other way of doing it? |
| 17:40.45 | hark | slope: aptitude search '~i!~M' |
| 17:41.33 | nan8 | slope: the dicussion does not exactly fit your needs ... the logs probably are fine for you |
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| 17:42.12 | slope | hark: that gave me a bit too much. |
| 17:42.36 | slope | thanks for all the help, maybe I should also make a note of packages I install in the future so I don't have to dig through logs :) |
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| 17:42.56 | jpinx-eeepc | slope: you can search the logs |
| 17:43.07 | jpinx-eeepc | look for "install" |
| 17:43.08 | nan8 | slope: you probably want to do something like hark suggested after the install and the can diff against it afterwards |
| 17:43.29 | nan8 | ~s/the/then you/ |
| 17:43.37 | jpinx-eeepc | or maybe "installing" |
| 17:44.08 | nkuttler | any recommendation for a gui calculator that can produce simple graphs (inside the gui)? |
| 17:44.43 | jpinx-eeepc | nkuttler: not a calculator but I use gnumeric |
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| 17:44.53 | slope | jpinx-eeepc: oh, I've been waiting for a reason to try out grep, nice. |
| 17:45.06 | jpinx-eeepc | slope: there ya go :D |
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| 17:45.37 | nan8 | slope: maybe read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README first |
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| 17:47.16 | slope | nan8: that's not a bad idea. I've only looked at the command line reference there but I guess the rest should be useful to know as well. |
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| 17:48.13 | Diilbert | bzrk_: I am connected to my home server, through a vpn connection that passes through the corp firewall. |
| 17:48.34 | Diilbert | I am not allowed to fart at work. Unless of course it is on port 80 or 443 |
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| 17:49.03 | kmq | also has a problem with sudo |
| 17:49.12 | kmq | I can't 'sudo' anymore |
| 17:49.17 | kmq | but I can log in via ssh |
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| 17:50.23 | kmq | ... and I just realized it's because ssh is configured with 'UsePam no' |
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| 17:50.28 | bzrk_ | Diilbert: ^^ |
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| 17:51.41 | kmq | it fails with : "sudo: pam_unix(sudo:auth): authentication failure;" |
| 17:52.06 | kmq | so I thought it's probably a misconfigured /etc/pam.d/[sudo|common-auth] |
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| 17:52.14 | kmq | but I can't figure it out |
| 17:52.39 | kmq | this is the /etc/pam.d/sudo http://pastebin.org/55519 |
| 17:53.13 | kmq | and this is /etc/pam.d/common-auth which is included in sudo: http://pastebin.org/55574 |
| 17:53.29 | kmq | does anyone have an insight as to what could be wrong with them ? |
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| 17:55.35 | Diilbert | kmq: what are you running? |
| 17:56.30 | kmq | debian unstable |
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| 17:57.06 | Diilbert | kmq: is not working out the box or did you make a change recently? |
| 17:58.07 | kmq | I made a change and I am trying to figure out what it is |
| 17:58.32 | kmq | I added ldap auth, and removed it |
| 17:59.05 | kmq | could the mistake be this line in 'common-auth': |
| 17:59.08 | kmq | auth [success=2 default=ignore] pam_unix.so nullok_secure |
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| 18:00.06 | Diilbert | My /etc/pam.d/common-auth only has 'auth pam_unix.so nullok_secure' uncommented |
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| 18:01.01 | kmq | shouldn't there be 4 fields? like this "type control module-path module-arguments" ? |
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| 18:01.24 | kmq | but I think I found what s wrong |
| 18:01.48 | kmq | it should have "success=1" in there |
| 18:01.56 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 18:02.11 | kmq | let's try |
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| 18:04.24 | Diilbert | kmq: not sure as I am running stable |
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| 18:11.36 | Soothsayer | hey |
| 18:11.37 | Soothsayer | im very new to debian |
| 18:11.45 | Soothsayer | when i install using apt-get, where does the program get installed ? |
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| 18:13.12 | jelly | Soothsayer: use dpkg -L packagename to list the contents of an installed package |
| 18:13.56 | Soothsayer | thx |
| 18:14.18 | Soothsayer | L stands for ? |
| 18:14.33 | nan8 | Soothsayer: if you are new to linux/unix in general you might wish to read !FHS |
| 18:14.44 | jelly | it probably stands for "read the manual", Soothsayer |
| 18:14.46 | nan8 | !FHS |
| 18:14.47 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 18:15.23 | jelly | right, debian mostly follows fhs |
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| 18:16.39 | Soothsayer | ye im reading up alongside.. |
| 18:16.49 | Lns | readonly /usr for thin clients..interesting |
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| 18:18.15 | slope | Soothsayer: you should use aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 18:18.29 | Soothsayer | hmm |
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| 18:18.54 | Soothsayer | i just want to get one thing straight... apt-get install transmission |
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| 18:19.21 | Soothsayer | it installed successfully, now im trying to figure out how to run it |
| 18:19.44 | Lns | why is aptitude so much better than apt-get? I've used apt-get for years and never had a problem |
| 18:19.55 | slope | Lns: http://pthree.org/2007/08/12/aptitude-vs-apt-get/ |
| 18:20.05 | Lns | slope: thx |
| 18:21.12 | slope | Lns: I think the main reason is better dependency handling. I've used it from the start since that was what everyone told me when I started using Debian. |
| 18:21.19 | hark | !tell Lns about why aptitude |
| 18:21.43 | simonrvn | Soothsayer: open a terminal in x, then type transmission<tab> |
| 18:21.55 | Aiya | I want to download where i can download it? |
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| 18:22.10 | slope | Soothsayer: Gnome user? Applications -> Internet -> Transmission if you want to do it the gui way. |
| 18:22.15 | Aiya | I want to download (debian OS).Where i can download it? |
| 18:22.24 | slope | Aiya: www.debian.org |
| 18:22.41 | Aiya | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 18:22.50 | mac- | re |
| 18:22.54 | Soothsayer | simonrvn, slope : its actually a remote private server from my hosting... im using putty shell on windows as of now |
| 18:23.00 | mac- | anyone have premium account on rapidshare ? |
| 18:23.10 | Aiya | Why there is alot of download links available which one to download ? |
| 18:23.18 | Soothsayer | simonrvn: got the the name :-) |
| 18:23.32 | Soothsayer | mac-: if u get one, let me know :) |
| 18:23.38 | mac- | ehh |
| 18:23.45 | Lns | lol...deborphan and debfoster |
| 18:23.45 | kmq | Diilbert: nah, that was not it |
| 18:23.45 | slope | Aiya: They contain all the packages. You really only need the first, you can download any other packages you need from the repository. |
| 18:24.11 | slope | Aiya: if you have a fast connection you might want to do a netinstall, that's what I always do. |
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| 18:24.30 | Aiya | slope can you give me link? |
| 18:24.58 | slope | Aiya: Just go to www.debian.org you'll see it in the menu to the left. |
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| 18:26.33 | Aiya | Where there is cd 1 cd 2 and so on? |
| 18:26.40 | Aiya | So i need to download all? |
| 18:27.09 | slope | Netinstall is just one disc. |
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| 18:30.02 | Lns | wow, that aptitude article reeks of fanboism ;) good writeup other than that |
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| 18:31.48 | JoshH | so basically, aptitude is better if you don't already understand apt-get, but other than the options/output/etc, there's no real difference in what they do |
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| 18:32.56 | slope | I'm no expert, I've only used aptitude. That's what Debian recommends and that's good enough for me :) |
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| 18:36.36 | _anonymouse | Hi, I am on Lenny. I run utorrent under wine & it worked till yesterday. Today when I try to launch it, the process appears to be a zombie process. Trying to reinstall ends in message saying 'utorrent is already running, please end the process & continue', even when there is no utorrent process in the background. |
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| 18:37.02 | abrotman | JoshH: dependency resolution in aptitude is way way better |
| 18:37.07 | abrotman | erm .. problem resolution |
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| 18:39.23 | rgr | abrotman: what is your opinion on mixing them though? In my last testing install mixing them *seemed* to cause havoc. I tend to stick only with aptitude now. |
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| 18:40.16 | rgr | _anonymouse: I can recommend ktorrent. It's about the only "KDE" app I use now other than Kaffeine which is far and away the most reliable and easy to use video/audio/tv player for me. |
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| 18:41.11 | _anonymouse | rgr: Thank you! |
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| 18:41.57 | _anonymouse | I have had problems with Kaffeine, mostly with subtitles etc. I prefer Kplayer for audio/video |
| 18:42.36 | rgr | kaffeine is the best for me for dvb. good interface. |
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| 18:45.38 | _SKiTZO | when i install linux-sources it is patched and configured like the kerne found in linux-image right? |
| 18:45.53 | _SKiTZO | or is it vanilla? |
| 18:46.31 | xyan | does anyone know an application capable of creating an entity relationship diagram from a existing database? |
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| 18:48.26 | gp5st | hell; I'm trying to find files that don't contain a certain line, how would i go about doing that? |
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| 18:48.36 | mesaGL | gp5st: grep -v |
| 18:48.50 | _SKiTZO | xyan: there was one called "something frog something" |
| 18:49.01 | mesaGL | gp5st: sorry, that was a bit hasty. that returns all lines that don't match |
| 18:49.06 | _SKiTZO | it could reverse everything in a database for mysql |
| 18:49.39 | gp5st | mesaGL: I was thinking of using find, but then I don't know how to negate a condition |
| 18:50.04 | xyan | _SKiTZO: yeah thats what im looking after :/ |
| 18:50.07 | mesaGL | gp5st: you can do "grep -l" to get the ones that do, and comm -13 to get the difference between that and the full file list |
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| 18:50.52 | gp5st | cool; I learned a new command:-p |
| 18:50.53 | gp5st | thanks |
| 18:51.06 | _SKiTZO | xyan: found it: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/218499/mysql-diff-tool |
| 18:51.32 | mesaGL | gp5st: comm command needs to be preceded by LC_ALL=C, and both lists have to be sorted |
| 18:51.54 | gp5st | LC_ALL? |
| 18:52.06 | xyan | _SKiTZO: thanks, lets see |
| 18:52.29 | mesaGL | gp5st: but then again, prolly simpler with grep -L ... |
| 18:52.51 | mesaGL | gp5st: you are reading the grep man page, as we read, i take it ... |
| 18:53.03 | gp5st | yeah |
| 18:53.05 | gp5st | ::face palm:: |
| 18:53.07 | gp5st | sorry |
| 18:53.41 | mesaGL | hehe. well we got there in the end |
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| 18:53.46 | stuckey | !compiz |
| 18:53.46 | dpkg | Compiz is a compositing window manager using OpenGL for rendering. It can run when <AIGLX> and the composite extension are enabled for your X server; see http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for installation, configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz . http://www.compiz.org/ #compiz on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:53.51 | mesaGL | gp5st: are all the files in the same dir ? |
| 18:54.03 | gp5st | mesaGL: yeah |
| 18:54.21 | gp5st | it's the commands I use all the time that i never bother to read the man page fully:-\ |
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| 18:55.12 | gp5st | thanks! though |
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| 18:57.32 | _SKiTZO | aptitude search linux kernel module |
| 18:57.35 | _SKiTZO | lol |
| 18:57.39 | _SKiTZO | wrong window |
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| 18:59.12 | _SKiTZO | how can i tell what a module will be called when it is compiled? |
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| 18:59.55 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, if your using apt, the modules are pre-compiled |
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| 19:00.17 | _SKiTZO | Titan8990: exactly so i need to know what its called |
| 19:00.23 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, after its installed you can use dpkg -L |
| 19:00.48 | mesaGL | kernel modules end .ko if that's any help |
| 19:00.51 | _SKiTZO | i am looking for the module created when the CONFIG_ISCSI_IBFT kernel config variable is set |
| 19:01.57 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, that is not a module |
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| 19:02.23 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, or it adds a feature to another module |
| 19:02.50 | _SKiTZO | is is called "iSCSI Boot Firmware Table Attributes module" in the menu |
| 19:02.56 | _SKiTZO | and i can select <M> |
| 19:03.03 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, sorry, yes, i Just saw that |
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| 19:03.05 | _SKiTZO | so atleast it can trigger a module |
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| 19:03.32 | abrotman | rgr: mixing them isn't a great plan, but you can make it work |
| 19:03.37 | _SKiTZO | ah my bad i ment ISCSI_IBFT_FIND |
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| 19:03.59 | _SKiTZO | or |
| 19:04.38 | Titan8990 | !wayttd |
| 19:04.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
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| 19:05.05 | _SKiTZO | i want to access the iBFT thta gPXE leaves me with during boot |
| 19:05.11 | _SKiTZO | in the context of initrd |
| 19:05.14 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, both of those features are built-in to the lenny kernel, not compiled as modules |
| 19:05.25 | _SKiTZO | hm |
| 19:05.31 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, features that are built-in do not require support in the initrd |
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| 19:05.52 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, the initrd is simply for drivers that are built as modules at are required to boot the kernel and mount the root filesystem |
| 19:05.59 | _SKiTZO | did i mention i am using the xen kernel? :P |
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| 19:06.13 | D3RGPS31 | i'm switching from ubuntu to debian, and i have questions :D |
| 19:06.33 | _SKiTZO | Titan8990: i am aware. i am modifying my initrd for iscsi boot |
| 19:06.41 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, grep 'CONFIG_ISCSI' /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 19:06.41 | slope | I just realized Evolution shows 12h time because of locale. But when googling locale and setlocale I only find php stuff and I don't really understand the man for setlocale. Can someone explain how to change the configuration so I keep english language, but use swedish time? |
| 19:07.00 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, if the support is built-in, you don't need the initrd is what I am trying to say |
| 19:07.11 | Titan8990 | !tell D3RGPS31 about ask |
| 19:07.33 | D3RGPS31 | is the hierarchy of /etc/ the same; is there a repository for the latest kernel, xorg, and gnome |
| 19:07.42 | _SKiTZO | Titan8990: does it find iscsi targets on its own? |
| 19:07.45 | greycat | !locale |
| 19:07.45 | dpkg | well, locale is set your own locale in your shell rc files, or dpkg-reconfigure locales, or see /etc/default/locale, or run apropos locale (mainly for programmers) |
| 19:07.48 | greycat | Bah! |
| 19:07.59 | Titan8990 | !set time |
| 19:07.59 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
| 19:08.01 | greycat | dpkg, locale is also http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 19:08.02 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 19:08.21 | Titan8990 | greycat, wouldn't it just be tzdata? |
| 19:08.30 | greycat | Actually, that whole factoid's terribly wrong. |
| 19:08.30 | slope | greycat: thanks! |
| 19:08.39 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, and know where to mount them? no |
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| 19:09.40 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, that will be defined by your grub config and /etc/fstab |
| 19:10.03 | greycat | dpkg, no, locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See http://wiki.debian.org/Locale and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale for more info. |
| 19:10.03 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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| 19:11.07 | greycat | Both those wiki pages are still incomplete, though. It's a complicated topic. |
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| 19:12.31 | _SKiTZO | Titan8990: i want my iscsi config to come from the DHCP server and not the grub config hence i am striving to read my iBFT from within the initrd |
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| 19:13.09 | slope | I wish it would let you choose locale during installation if you pick a language that doesn't match the country you picked. |
| 19:13.15 | D3RGPS31 | is there a debian installer with support for ext4 |
| 19:13.37 | Titan8990 | _SKiTZO, thats where it gets cloudy for me... I have never had a network filesystem on /... somehow networking will have to start prior to mounting the root filesystem |
| 19:13.45 | greycat | Setting up locales properly is a major hassle. If you choose a default when it asks you to, it overrides everything from an ssh client. |
| 19:13.46 | Justin | D3RGPS31: kmuto probably supports ext4 |
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| 19:14.34 | _SKiTZO | Titan8990: read about gPXE and you wil soon get it :) gPXE has iscsi support and gets the kernel out of the iscsi drive |
| 19:14.37 | greycat | Also, you can't use shell expressions in most of the config files that PAM/etc. read from. So if you want to get it right for ssh users as well as local console users, you have to edit various shell start-up files. |
| 19:14.57 | _SKiTZO | gPXE then leaves behind "clues" about the config in the iBFT |
| 19:15.01 | greycat | There's no way to tell PAM "set LANG to en_US.utf8 UNLESS it's already set" |
| 19:15.03 | _SKiTZO | which is left for the kernel to pick up |
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| 19:15.26 | _SKiTZO | Titan8990: this is a good tute: http://www.etherboot.org/wiki/sanboot/debian_etch_iscsi |
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| 19:15.48 | greycat | I still don't know how to get it right for xdm or gdm users. |
| 19:15.51 | slope | greycat: I haven't messed around with locales but I think mine already does since I don't see åäö when logging into my computer with sftp from friends. Or maybe it's a problem with WinSCP. |
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| 19:16.15 | _SKiTZO | however as you probably have figured out by now, i cant get hold of fwparam_ibft and the alternative i found called "iscsi-init" does not seem to be picking up the ibft prorperlyt |
| 19:16.23 | greycat | slope: I run HP-UX 10.20 machines at work, which are firmly stuck in ISO 8859-1. If I ssh into a Debian system that's set up in the "typical" way, it'll try to display UTF-8 at me. |
| 19:16.26 | stuckey | I'm trying to get dependency based booting to work... it told me that "gspd" and "lpr" were removed but not purged, and that I needed to correct this and then reconfigure the package for dependency booting. |
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| 19:16.42 | stuckey | But aptitude purge gpsd says it doesn't find the package |
| 19:16.56 | stuckey | And why would I need to purge lpr for this? |
| 19:17.02 | greycat | slope: so my knowledge in this area is a bit skewed compared to that of the typical Debian user in this channel. |
| 19:17.27 | greycat | That's why I had to dig into the documentation and find out HOW to set things up correctly, since Debian isn't doing it. |
| 19:17.39 | stuckey | Documentation? |
| 19:17.42 | stuckey | hides. |
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| 19:18.14 | Justin | greycat: you could just replace HP-UX with debian ;) |
| 19:18.16 | greycat | stuckey: I put all I learned on http://wiki.debian.org/Locale so you don't have to read documentation. Yay! |
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| 19:19.31 | D3RGPS31 | Justin: thank you :D |
| 19:22.05 | stuckey | I'm trying to migrate to dependency-based boot system... but the configure test fails. |
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| 19:22.15 | stuckey | It says: package gpsd removed but not purged, package lpr removed but not purged |
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| 19:22.29 | greycat | stuckey: dpkg --purge pkg pkg pkg .... |
| 19:23.44 | stuckey | greycat: thanks, it works now. I'm going to test it. |
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| 19:25.36 | _SKiTZO | Titan8990: ok i figured it out :) it turns out that the fwparam_ibft util was merged into the iscsistart utility |
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| 19:27.01 | stuckey | I just reset my machine, and the x server didn't start. In the error log it says it couldn't find the nvidia module. |
| 19:27.27 | Titan8990 | stuckey, did you recently change kernels? |
| 19:27.50 | stuckey | Titan8990: hmm... I don't think so, though I just did an update so perhaps it changed the kernel? |
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| 19:28.26 | Titan8990 | stuckey, `m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-source; modprobe nvidia; startx` |
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| 19:30.47 | stuckey | Titan8990: so the kernel version changed... and then the nvidia modules I had were outdated, or not in the kernel |
| 19:30.51 | stuckey | I also need to update the libraries |
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| 19:31.17 | hark | stuckey: /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 19:31.52 | stuckey | hark: I just use sid |
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| 19:32.17 | slope | I'm not sure if I've understood man setlocale so I want to make sure I don't mess anything up now. I generated the locale according to greycats link. Now, is the final step to do this in the terminal? --> char *setlocale(int LC_TIME, const char *sv_SE.utf8); |
| 19:33.36 | greycat | slope: that is a C language function definition, not a terminal command |
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| 19:33.53 | greycat | slope: what kind of system are you setting up? (Desktop, server, both?) |
| 19:34.06 | Titan8990 | hehe pointers in BASH? |
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| 19:34.55 | slope | greycat: Desktop, but I'm running openssh-server for chrooted SFTP only if that matters, nothing critical, only sharing with friends and family. |
| 19:34.59 | maligor | slope, this isn't a programming channel :P |
| 19:35.03 | greycat | most of the stuff on wiki.debian.org/Locale is aimed at setting up servers with ssh users, since that's the part that Debian screws up. |
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| 19:35.29 | slope | All I really want is for Evolution to show 24h time instead of 12h :) |
| 19:35.33 | greycat | slope: for a desktop box with no ssh shell users, you could just let dpkg-reconfigure select a default locale |
| 19:35.48 | greycat | slope: it'll be wrong if you DO have ssh users later on, but maybe you can live with it. |
| 19:35.59 | maligor | slope, make a custom locale? |
| 19:36.08 | greycat | slope: otherwise, you can just follow what I said on that wiki page, UNLESS you run xdm/gdm/etc. in which case, I don't know how to do that yet. |
| 19:36.42 | maligor | slope, I guess what you want is EN_se locale? |
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| 19:37.01 | slope | greycat: but won't that give me swedish language as well? I want it to be in english. ssh users won't be a problem though, I only use it as a more secure ftp server. |
| 19:37.10 | maligor | err.. se_EN |
| 19:37.13 | slope | maligor: maybe..? :) |
| 19:37.19 | maligor | oh man.. en_SE :P |
| 19:37.34 | greycat | if you want English language but various Swedish overrides for things like date formats, then you might want to set LANG=en_US.utf8 but override individual LC_* variables. |
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| 19:37.39 | slope | Oh and I do run gdm. At least I guess so since I'm a Gnome user. |
| 19:37.46 | greycat | (or possibly en_UK.utf8 if you prefer) |
| 19:37.57 | mesaGL | debian says aptitude is better than apt-get. sidux says apt-get must always be used. for ordinary use is there any difference whatsoever ? or is this just a spat between the Popular Front and the People's Front ? |
| 19:38.08 | maligor | I use a customized en_FI locale myself |
| 19:38.09 | greycat | slope: gdm is a thing you login with. If you login on a console and type startx, you aren't using gdm. |
| 19:38.18 | slope | greycat: then I do use gdm |
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| 19:38.40 | mesaGL | en_GB.UTF-8, squire |
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| 19:38.49 | Titan8990 | mesaGL, take the facts and decide for yourself |
| 19:38.56 | greycat | mesaGL: ugh. |
| 19:39.10 | Titan8990 | mesaGL, /msg dpkg why aptitude; /msg dpkg why not aptitude |
| 19:39.24 | greycat | I won't even ask why the _GB doesn't match the .uk TLD. |
| 19:39.30 | maligor | en_DK is actually the closest english I found |
| 19:39.50 | maligor | in the standard localizations |
| 19:40.04 | greycat | maligor: you can override individual behaviors with the LC_* variable (e.g. LC_TIME) |
| 19:40.09 | greycat | variables* |
| 19:40.14 | slope | maligor: I remember reading about en_DK last time I tried doing this a long time ago (never succeeded back then)! |
| 19:40.29 | maligor | it's a standard locale |
| 19:40.33 | slope | I guess that's what I should choose then? |
| 19:40.36 | maligor | en_DK.UTF-8 |
| 19:40.39 | greycat | On HP-UX 10.20 I set LANG=en_US.iso88591 but LC_TIME=POSIX because I can't stand the date(1) output that en_US uses. |
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| 19:41.05 | maligor | greycat, yeah, but it's so much trouble if you want to use gdm |
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| 19:41.55 | greycat | I mean, really, look at this crap: |
| 19:41.56 | greycat | imadev:~$ LC_TIME=en_US.iso88591 date |
| 19:41.56 | greycat | Fri, Nov 20, 2009 02:41:45 PM |
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| 19:42.49 | abrotman | it's like .. so american |
| 19:42.52 | maligor | slope, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:43.08 | maligor | slope, it should list en_DK.UTF-8 |
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| 19:43.44 | maligor | it's a shame they don't accept non-standard locales ;P |
| 19:44.01 | greycat | they accept whatever locales you define... |
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| 19:44.23 | maligor | I mean the standard locale package |
| 19:44.47 | greycat | you submitted a patch to the libc people and they rejected it |
| 19:44.48 | greycat | ? |
| 19:45.18 | maligor | no, can't remember where I saw it referred to |
| 19:46.02 | maligor | and iirc it was rejected |
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| 19:47.10 | slope | maligor: I just did it but I didn't set it to default, I chose "None" there, and did a hard restart of X (ctrl alt backspace) but when I open Evolution it still uses 12h clock and 'locale' shows en_US.UTF-8, so I guess I need to set it to default |
| 19:48.05 | maligor | I think gdm had a language selector but I usually set whatever I use to default |
| 19:48.42 | mesaGL | Titan8990: fwiw i think sidux are wrong. but i nearly always use apt-get, cos i've never really needed to use aptitude "to get out of a tight spot". maybe i'm lucky. or maybe i'm smarter than the average user. anyways life goes on |
| 19:48.45 | slope | hm, I set it to default now but still no change in 'locale' or Evolution. |
| 19:49.11 | maligor | you need to relog |
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| 19:50.31 | slope | maligor: I logged out and then back in, still no change |
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| 19:50.46 | slope | Maybe a reboot? |
| 19:52.24 | maligor | slope, /etc/init.d/gdm restart should atleast work |
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| 19:52.33 | maligor | it sources locale atleast |
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| 19:53.07 | wuffi600 | hi |
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| 19:53.47 | Sneex | Wasn't there a group perm setting for directories that 'forced' files created there to become set to the 'group' of the directory? |
| 19:53.57 | greycat | Sneex: yes, setgid on a dir |
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| 19:54.10 | Sneex | Hey greycat |
| 19:54.21 | slope | maligor: worked like a charm, wish I had waited for your reply before I started shutting everything down to reboot :) |
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| 19:55.10 | slope | Thanks greycat and maligor! |
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| 19:55.38 | greycat | maligor: um... that sounds dodgy. Are you sure "/etc/init.d/gdm restart" from a shell isn't just picking up the locale from the shell, which would NOT necessarily be what it picks up when run from /etc/rc* at boot time? |
| 19:55.55 | greycat | (I might very well be wrong. I don't run gdm.) |
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| 19:56.04 | maligor | greycat, that's why I actually used a text editor |
| 19:56.10 | stefano_ | ciaoooooooo a tuttiiiiii!!!!1 |
| 19:56.14 | stefano_ | list! |
| 19:56.16 | greycat | what do you mean, used a text editor? |
| 19:56.28 | maligor | the init scripts are ... text! |
| 19:56.34 | greycat | yes, and? |
| 19:56.46 | greycat | did you put explicitly LANG=... commands in the init scripts? |
| 19:56.49 | maligor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:57.19 | greycat | Ah, /etc/default/locale is shell code... that might be useful if I could guarantee it's POSIX-shell-capable |
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| 19:57.31 | greycat | Unlike /etc/environment which is explicitly NOT shell code. |
| 19:57.32 | maligor | more like a shell fragment |
| 19:58.21 | greycat | I wonder what else reads /etc/default/locale |
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| 19:58.47 | greycat | If I can guarantee that I'm allowed to put conditional statements in there, I can get rid of all the /etc/profile and /etc/csh/login.d/* crap. |
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| 19:58.57 | maligor | greycat, grep / grep /etc/default/locale /etc/init.d/* |
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| 19:59.06 | maligor | whops, extra grep / :P |
| 19:59.12 | greycat | maligor: that would only apply to packages I happen to have installed |
| 19:59.50 | maligor | /etc/default is pretty much a debianism afaik |
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| 20:00.07 | maligor | no program would directly read it |
| 20:00.07 | greycat | Fine, no problem there, but what's the DEFINITION of its content? |
| 20:00.54 | maligor | from observation it has shell fragments that store defaults |
| 20:01.02 | maligor | or rather system settings |
| 20:01.11 | greycat | Wow, /etc/init.d/cron has some HORRIBLE code reading that file. |
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| 20:02.15 | zu22 | hi, running squeeze, not kernel image linux-image-2.6.30-2-amd64 but the repo only has linux-image-2.6.26-2-amd64, what can i do? |
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| 20:02.25 | zu22 | s/not/need |
| 20:02.44 | greycat | you could probably just use the sid kernel |
| 20:02.45 | zu22 | right now i am running 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 20:02.56 | zu22 | greycat: ah just download the sid .deb and use that? |
| 20:03.03 | greycat | (although 2.6.30-* is slightly older than current sid) |
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| 20:03.12 | greycat | zu22: make sure you have any dependencies, but yes. |
| 20:03.16 | EagleRock | zu22: aptitude search linux-image-2.6.30 |
| 20:03.16 | zu22 | greycat: ok cool thx |
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| 20:03.24 | EagleRock | 2.6.30 is in testing |
| 20:03.32 | EagleRock | 2.6.30-2* |
| 20:03.59 | zu22 | oh nice |
| 20:04.01 | Sneex | hates windows -- crashing again, bbl :( |
| 20:04.09 | zu22 | when i searched with apt it didn't find it heh |
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| 20:04.40 | EagleRock | zu22: you might need to update grub afterwards, so be aware |
| 20:04.48 | zu22 | EagleRock: k thx |
| 20:05.03 | abrotman | zu22: aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 20:05.14 | greycat | maybe he forgot to "update"? |
| 20:05.29 | zu22 | abrotman: nod |
| 20:05.29 | greycat | I'm wondering how he searched but failed to find it... |
| 20:06.03 | zu22 | i did "apt-cache search image | grep 2.6.30-2" |
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| 20:06.48 | greycat | I would've left off the -2 |
| 20:07.20 | zu22 | ah |
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| 20:08.29 | mintux | I have iso image a cd and I want to make 15 copies from it . are there any program (like clone in windows ) do a lot of copy and when writing of a cd finished request next blank cd and start copy automatically ? |
| 20:09.40 | greycat | mintux: you could use readcd, and then a for loop. |
| 20:10.01 | slope | mintux: When right clicking an iso and choosing "write to disc" in Gnome I *think* it lets you burn another copy right away afterwards. |
| 20:10.10 | greycat | e.g. readcd --blah --blah; for i in {1..15}; do read -p "Insert disk and press Enter" enter; cdrecord --whatever; done |
| 20:10.15 | maligor | k3b might also have such |
| 20:10.27 | maligor | it's relatively fully featured shiny burning program |
| 20:10.36 | cahoot | add -eject |
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| 20:11.04 | maligor | yeah, k3b has copies option |
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| 20:11.32 | maligor | biggest issue with k3b is that it still needs kde3 libs ;P |
| 20:11.41 | greycat | Hmm, looks like PAM also has to be able to read it. |
| 20:11.42 | greycat | session required pam_env.so readenv=1 envfile=/etc/default/locale |
| 20:11.49 | greycat | Fucker. |
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| 20:12.48 | greycat | I wonder if there's a way to construct an /etc/default/locale file that both PAM and sh can live with, and still be able to put in the functionality I would actually want (conditional setting of a variable). |
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| 20:14.25 | re_ | I'm setting up a centralized rsyslog server on my cluster. I have it sending logs from nodes into /var/log/nodes/... do I need to make any tweaks so logrotate will automatically rotate them? |
| 20:16.06 | re_ | ok think i got it. just need to stick a script into /etc/logrotate.d/ |
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| 20:18.01 | slope | I looked in ncmpc (ncurses based client for mpd, music player daemon) after doing the locale thing and now albums with åäö show up weird. For example Radio-Aktivit\u00e4t should be Radio-Aktivität, what could the reason/solution for this be? I tried /etc/init.d/mpd restart |
| 20:18.23 | greycat | UTF-8 vs ISO8859-1 .... |
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| 20:18.43 | wildc4rd | evening all |
| 20:18.57 | slope | Filesystem charset is set to "UTF-8" in mpd.conf and the locale I chose was UTF8 as well. |
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| 20:19.15 | greycat | running "locale" confirms your locale is *.utf8 ? |
| 20:19.43 | pflanze | (My problem with java in firefox was just a memory limit set with ulimit, argh) |
| 20:19.57 | slope | greycat: ah! only as root, not as regular user, guess I missed something when setting locale? |
| 20:20.12 | pflanze | (Why can applications not at least print a message that they can't allocate memory to *stderr*, man) |
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| 20:20.24 | djveer | hey guys, silly question... if I want to host my buddy's website on my debian server and he wants to purchase a domain name.. what's a good company to do that through? and do most allow you to host your own DNS if you want to.... or can you pay more and have them host it for you? |
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| 20:20.56 | greycat | most of them, I think, will run DNS for you for free, or let you use your own DNS server |
| 20:22.01 | djveer | run it for you for free? really? I thought they charged you for it |
| 20:22.13 | djveer | l;ike if you only paid the $20/year or whatever it is for the domain name itself |
| 20:22.26 | greycat | you'd have to ask the individual companies to be sure |
| 20:22.38 | djveer | Can anybody recommend a company? |
| 20:22.42 | abrotman | !hosting |
| 20:22.42 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
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| 20:23.11 | greycat | I don't think he wants hosting services. Just the domain name. |
| 20:23.21 | djveer | yeah, all I want is the domain |
| 20:23.27 | djveer | but thanks for the link abrotman |
| 20:23.54 | slope | All I know is that www.co.cc is free |
| 20:24.05 | abrotman | that should be up to your friend and the services he wants from a registrar |
| 20:24.28 | subopt | Is there a way to combine `egrep -A 2 'foo.*' logfile` and `egrep -B 1 '^Pend' logfile' into one grep cmd? |
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| 20:24.52 | greycat | that's when I'd upgrade to awk or perl.... |
| 20:25.07 | maligor | pflanze, because it's easier to ignore it and crash from null pointer access ;P |
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| 20:25.22 | djveer | slope: how can you possibly get your own domain name for free? |
| 20:25.28 | slope | Shouldn't 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' have changed the settings for my regular user as well? |
| 20:25.33 | pflanze | maligor: well it didn't crash, but hang. Which is worse since you don't get to see an error at all. |
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| 20:25.52 | greycat | slope: depends on what you told it to do. If you selected a default, then it would have edited /etc/default/locale for you, which is apparently read by lots of things... |
| 20:26.06 | djveer | Oh I see... it's co.cc ... not actually .com for free |
| 20:26.13 | pflanze | maligor: read this as "they really fucking fucked user experience up as much as they could" |
| 20:26.15 | maligor | pflanze, that's just a bad plugin in a bad host |
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| 20:26.22 | slope | djveer: exactly :) |
| 20:26.36 | maligor | one of the reasons why I started using chromium |
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| 20:26.53 | slope | Oh and it's only 1 year apparently, don't know what happens after that. |
| 20:26.55 | djveer | slope: hehe i've just been using dynamic dns... any advantage to that (co.cc) compared to dyndyns? |
| 20:27.03 | pflanze | should refrain from swear words when dealing with fine people creating software for no beer |
| 20:27.35 | greycat | finds some PAM documentation that says "This module can also parse a file with simple KEY=VAL pairs on seperate line (/etc/environment by default). You can change the default file to parse, with the envfile flag ..." |
| 20:27.36 | slope | djveer: Don't ask me, I found it the other day and realized I don't have anything to say to the world so I don't need any domain at all. |
| 20:27.45 | greycat | Yes, they misspelled "separate". |
| 20:28.28 | slope | greycat: I chose en_DK as default, but I think I'll do a reboot just to make sure before I start causing trouble again :) |
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| 20:29.21 | maligor | pflanze, I don't think mozilla or google make software for no beer |
| 20:29.23 | maligor | nor sun |
| 20:29.36 | pflanze | yes |
| 20:29.43 | pflanze | true, too. |
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| 20:35.05 | djveer | slope: okay hehe thanks |
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| 20:36.04 | slope | greycat: Rebooting solved all problems |
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| 20:38.06 | jerrcs | Hi guys.. is there anyway to recover a corrupt cd by downloading packages off the internet instead of the cd? |
| 20:38.32 | jerrcs | I don't want to burn a new cd, but I figured there would be an installer component for it |
| 20:38.40 | greycat | Just download the net install image and burn it to a new CD. |
| 20:38.59 | jerrcs | I don't want to burn a new cd.. unfortunately I'm all out. |
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| 20:39.15 | jerrcs | I used the last to burn an amd64 image.. and then figured out this particular box doesn't support it :/ |
| 20:39.21 | slope | You could use a usb drive, never done it myself though. |
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| 20:39.45 | jerrcs | you mean there's no option to tick in the installer, or some file to modify, to make it use the network to download packages there instead? |
| 20:39.47 | damjan | is it possible to recreate file permissions like it was from a package (other than apt-get install --reinstall) |
| 20:39.55 | patrikf | jerrcs: there's no way to fix an amd64 cd to boot on i386 |
| 20:39.58 | jerrcs | no |
| 20:40.01 | jerrcs | i'm not talking about that |
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| 20:40.15 | greycat | I'd estimate it would take you less time, in the long run, to walk to a store 2 miles away, purchase a 10-pack, walk back home, and do the obvious thing, than to attempt to reconstruct a working installer in-memory after booting from a damaged CD. |
| 20:40.28 | patrikf | jerrcs: in what way is the cd broken, then? |
| 20:40.32 | greycat | If the latter is even POSSIBLE. |
| 20:40.42 | jerrcs | heh |
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| 20:41.14 | jerrcs | well there is no computer store within 2 miles |
| 20:41.16 | jerrcs | anyway |
| 20:41.48 | greycat | if you live in an isolated rural area, you probably have a car... |
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| 20:42.02 | jerrcs | I know it's possible to do net installs.. they have certain options in the installer to load from there, and the cds are smaller.. my cd is the full size, and I want to make it use the network at the getgo instead of trying to load the repository from the cdrom. |
| 20:42.07 | jerrcs | look |
| 20:42.10 | jerrcs | that is not related |
| 20:42.36 | abrotman | jerrcs: it should ask you when you do the install, assuming your network is supported by the kernel on the CD |
| 20:42.42 | jerrcs | if I wanted to go buy cds and burn a new disc, I wouldn't bother here. |
| 20:42.42 | jerrcs | it is |
| 20:42.47 | jerrcs | I'm doing a remote console install right now. |
| 20:42.49 | greycat | Boot it in expert mode, and have fun. |
| 20:42.55 | jerrcs | right. that's all I needed |
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| 20:43.12 | slope | jerrcs: I'd say your best bet is http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en if you absolutely don't want to get a new cd. |
| 20:43.30 | jerrcs | facepalms |
| 20:43.45 | greycat | You haven't answered any of our questions. |
| 20:43.53 | jerrcs | I don't need a new cd, I don't need to boot from usb.. the installer works fine.. just some packages from main don't verify. |
| 20:44.04 | greycat | All we know is "I have something broken and I could fix it by spending $0.30 but I want to use this broken thing instead." |
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| 20:44.23 | Melissa | Bonjourno All! |
| 20:44.39 | jerrcs | greycat: The thing is.. I have a fast internet connection, and I wanted to do a net install anyway.. to grab the latest stuff. The cd works, but a couple packages are corrupt. |
| 20:44.56 | jerrcs | Which make the installer fail. |
| 20:45.12 | Melissa | so I have one of them little usb num pad things. Is there a way to remap that so linux doesn't think its attached to the keyboard? (I used to use it as a media controller for my laptop, and want to do something similar with my desktop) |
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| 20:45.38 | jerrcs | What's wrong with tweaking an install to work the way I want it to.. you're making me go spend money to fix a problem when a simple tweak could avoid that? |
| 20:45.46 | jerrcs | I'm sorry for being so damn lazy. |
| 20:46.01 | Justin | jerrcs: 15:42 < greycat> Boot it in expert mode, and have fun. |
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| 20:46.22 | triptec | I'd like a tool to grab cvs repos without hassle, any tip?? |
| 20:46.33 | greycat | I heard you can use cvs for that. |
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| 20:47.08 | triptec | greycat: well I would say cvs is a hassle... |
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| 20:47.25 | jerrcs | Justin: yep I got that. thanks |
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| 20:48.08 | ojo | hey, I'm coming from ubuntu. What is the best way to use root? su or an other way? |
| 20:48.13 | triptec | i'd like ./cvsgrab me@10.10.10.1:/repo/module /local/whatever |
| 20:48.22 | greycat | ojo: either set up sudoers, or use su. your choice. |
| 20:49.37 | greycat | triptec: you mean, like: cvsgrab() { cd "$2" && cvs co "$1"; } ? |
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| 20:50.33 | ojo1 | graycat: su and than aptitude instal sudo? |
| 20:50.51 | greycat | install has two Ls. |
| 20:51.04 | ojo1 | graycat: yes indeed tx :) |
| 20:51.07 | greycat | you'll also have to run visudo (as root) |
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| 20:51.16 | triptec | greycat: so that's possible, I've been setting cvsroot variables and so on.. |
| 20:51.24 | Justin | technically it has 0 Ls when you run apti<tab> i<tab> :) |
| 20:51.43 | greycat | triptec: dunno for sure. but what you say you want sounds like it's easily scripted. |
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| 20:52.16 | Titan8990 | Justin, how did you get tab completion for the args? |
| 20:52.31 | greycat | by installing some bash_completion package presumably |
| 20:52.33 | ojo1 | graycat: why do I have to run visudo ? |
| 20:52.41 | greycat | ojo1: that's how you edit the sudoers file. |
| 20:52.47 | Justin | well, I use zsh, but yes, bash-completion does the same thing |
| 20:52.51 | triptec | I'd be okay with using cvs if it's that just cvs co user@domain.com:/repo/module |
| 20:52.55 | ojo1 | tx! |
| 20:53.13 | slope | ojo1: ooh, I did the autocomplete thing a few days ago and I have no idea how I did it anymore |
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| 20:53.44 | greycat | triptec: if you have to split the user@host:path into pieces, bash can do that. |
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| 20:55.11 | triptec | no it's okay, I guess I've didn't understand the cvs docs |
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| 20:55.24 | triptec | excuse my einglish |
| 20:55.27 | triptec | he |
| 20:55.33 | slope | echo '. /etc/bash_completion' >> ~/.bashrc |
| 20:55.36 | slope | I think that was it |
| 20:56.24 | slope | Maybe wait and see if anyone says that's a very bad idea to do, I just checked my bash history :) |
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| 20:56.41 | greycat | sounds about right |
| 20:57.02 | greycat | maybe put [[ -f /etc/bash_completion ]] before the . |
| 20:57.08 | greycat | err, sorry, [[ ... ]] && |
| 20:57.51 | slope | ojo1: good think you asked, this time I'm making notes of everything I do to set up my system so I don't have to figure everything out from start the next time. |
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| 20:58.18 | ojo1 | slope: héhé, great. We are both new then |
| 20:58.56 | ojo1 | yes, another question I can't get anwserd, what is the difference bethween apt-get and aptitude? |
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| 20:59.17 | slope | ojo1: aptitude is recommended, better dependency handling |
| 20:59.31 | Titan8990 | !tell ojo1 about why aptitude |
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| 21:00.05 | EagleRock | ojo1: rule of thumb: if you don't have a preference, go with aptitude, since it's the recommended tool |
| 21:00.16 | ojo1 | I will! |
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| 21:00.38 | ojo1 | but ubuntu always apt-get's why? |
| 21:00.55 | Titan8990 | ojo1, because they don't know any better |
| 21:00.57 | prince_jammys | habit |
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| 21:01.09 | EagleRock | ojo1: force of habit, and it could be older documentation before aptitude was stable |
| 21:01.10 | Titan8990 | or habit i suppose |
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| 21:01.29 | Titan8990 | EagleRock, no... it continues in new documentation... because they don't know any better |
| 21:01.40 | EagleRock | Titan8990: that too :-P |
| 21:01.47 | slope | couldn't it also be that ubuntu users use often use synaptic which uses apt-get and it's (supposedly?) a bit bad to use both? |
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| 21:02.04 | greycat | As I understand it, the major difference is that when you "aptitude install" something that has dependencies, it keeps track of "foo brought in dependency bar", and then if you "aptitude remove" foo later, it removes bar too. |
| 21:02.16 | prince_jammys | habit and not knowing any better fit well together |
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| 21:02.43 | hark | greycat: apt-get does it as well |
| 21:02.47 | greycat | doesn't. |
| 21:02.49 | themill | (as of lenny) |
| 21:02.52 | Sneex | :P |
| 21:03.03 | EagleRock | greycat: that's true, plus when apt needs to do dependency handling, aptitude can often come up with better/more solutions as well |
| 21:03.16 | maligor | aptitude just has more intelligent resolvers (which I don't really like much myself) |
| 21:03.21 | Titan8990 | greycat, yes, its a recent change |
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| 21:03.46 | greycat | apt-get shows you a list of things that it thinks were automatically brought in that it thinks you might not want, but you don't want to blindly delete them.... |
| 21:03.59 | themill | greycat: the list is identical to aptitude's |
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| 21:04.19 | CrazyFurry | what can mean collect2: ld returned 1 exit status? |
| 21:04.25 | CrazyFurry | when compiling php |
| 21:04.35 | greycat | CrazyFurry: linker failed. |
| 21:04.38 | Titan8990 | CrazyFurry, why not use the debian package? |
| 21:04.45 | CrazyFurry | dreamhost |
| 21:04.50 | CrazyFurry | customized php |
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| 21:05.02 | greycat | read the previous output for the errors. |
| 21:05.08 | CrazyFurry | some warnings |
| 21:05.14 | do0ob | hi all |
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| 21:05.21 | do0ob | what is the current state of initng in debian? |
| 21:05.29 | hark | you have to explicitly use autoremove with apt-get aiui, while aptitude by default (you can disable it) autoremoves unused dependencies |
| 21:05.42 | CrazyFurry | /home/rootsystem/source/php-5.3.0/ext/standard/dns.c:484: undefined reference to `__dn_expand' |
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| 21:05.43 | CrazyFurry | and so |
| 21:05.44 | do0ob | alioth seems to have stopped updating: https://alioth.debian.org/news/?group_id=30760 |
| 21:05.55 | konfusion | Hi all, does anyone know why i cant play apple trailer files? |
| 21:05.59 | konfusion | I get this error: The playback of this movie requires a text/html decoder plugin which is not installed. |
| 21:06.11 | konfusion | What would i need to install to play them with totem? |
| 21:06.22 | greycat | CrazyFurry: if you're building php from source, it goes in ##php |
| 21:06.29 | CrazyFurry | php overloaded =( |
| 21:06.36 | slope | do0ob: I'm just guessing here but search for it on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ |
| 21:06.56 | ojo1 | I hope I don't ask stupit questions but how do you find out if your computer supports WOL? |
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| 21:07.15 | konfusion | Anyone? |
| 21:07.21 | do0ob | konfusion: have you tried the mplayer plugin for firefox |
| 21:07.27 | Justin | ojo1: motherboard manual? most likely it does |
| 21:07.29 | greycat | !wol |
| 21:07.29 | dpkg | wol is, like, Wake on LAN, a method of powering on a computer remotely through the use of a "magic" packet. See http://wiki.debian.org/WakeOnLan and http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonlan/mini-howto/ for more information. WoL utilities packaged for Debian: 'etherwake', 'wakeonlan'. Online WOL services: http://stephan.mestrona.net/wol/, http://www.rshut.com/products/wol/mobile |
| 21:07.40 | konfusion | do0ob: no, what would i need to install? |
| 21:07.41 | slope | konfusion: totally unrelated but I think http://www.davestrailerpage.co.uk/ is a nicer trailer site than apples :) |
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| 21:08.00 | Laeborg | !webmin |
| 21:08.00 | hark | do0ob: it's been removed |
| 21:08.01 | dpkg | rumour has it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 21:08.01 | do0ob | konfusion: i think mozilla-mplayer is all you need, but i haven't tried it myself |
| 21:08.06 | do0ob | oh no |
| 21:08.07 | konfusion | slope: thanx for the input |
| 21:08.11 | konfusion | Now for my problem? :D |
| 21:08.25 | slope | just a tip :) |
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| 21:09.08 | do0ob | konfusion: do you have the w32codecs? |
| 21:09.19 | konfusion | How would i find out? |
| 21:09.21 | ojo1 | graycat: I think I like this place :) |
| 21:09.33 | konfusion | do0ob: |
| 21:09.49 | greycat | konfusion: dpkg -l w32codecs |
| 21:10.41 | konfusion | No packages found matching w32codecs. |
| 21:10.57 | do0ob | konfusion: well you need the debian multimedia repo in your sources.list |
| 21:11.16 | greycat | !dmm |
| 21:11.16 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 21:11.49 | konfusion | !dmm lenny |
| 21:11.50 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
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| 21:17.45 | ojo1 | and how can I find out which motherbord I have? lspci? |
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| 21:19.18 | greycat | The surest way is to open the case and look. |
| 21:19.34 | ojo1 | hahaaha, ok any pointers to where I have to look? |
| 21:20.00 | do0ob | yay, new nvidia driver version time, brb |
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| 21:20.23 | ojo1 | do0ob: succes :) |
| 21:21.02 | greycat | hwinfo might be able to find out. |
| 21:21.22 | greycat | hwinfo tells me, among other things, buried far down, pci.subsys_product = 'GA-7VT600 Motherboard' |
| 21:22.12 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 21:22.13 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run as root or sudo; "lshw -html > myhardware.html" and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 21:22.17 | Cain | !ops Eda__1 |
| 21:22.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: cain complains about: Eda__1 |
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| 21:22.28 | Cain | !ops Eda__1 (porn links on join) |
| 21:22.28 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: cain complains about: Eda__1 (porn links on join) |
| 21:22.30 | abrotman | CAin thank you |
| 21:22.42 | Cain | :) |
| 21:22.45 | abrotman | once was enough :) |
| 21:22.53 | Cain | ^^' |
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| 21:26.32 | konfusion | Ugh |
| 21:26.34 | konfusion | Noting changed |
| 21:27.01 | konfusion | Does anyone know if the mplayer plays apple trailers? |
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| 21:27.16 | greycat | You can try #mplayer |
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| 21:28.53 | slope | konfusion: I bet vlc does |
| 21:29.25 | konfusion | vlc ? |
| 21:29.48 | ojo1 | how does this magical dpkg work here? |
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| 21:30.06 | streuner | !+tell jo1 -about help |
| 21:30.06 | dpkg | told jo1 about help. |
| 21:30.21 | slope | konfusion: http://www.videolan.org/ it's known for playing pretty much everything you throw at it. best video player out there imo |
| 21:30.33 | streuner | ojo1: and read infobot.org |
| 21:30.51 | ojo1 | ok |
| 21:31.00 | konfusion | slope: do you use it? |
| 21:31.07 | slope | konfusion: of course :) |
| 21:31.22 | konfusion | slope: have you ever tried it with apple trailers? |
| 21:31.42 | konfusion | slope: like could you play this? http://movies.apple.com/movies/fox/avatar/avatar-tlrf_480p.mov |
| 21:31.49 | wwwAndy | Hi at all. Does anybody know a way to burn a raw bytestream to CD or DVD without EFM ? I know, the medium won't be readable after this |
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| 21:32.40 | JPT | hmm |
| 21:32.53 | slope | konfusion: I have tried it with a few trailers from that Dave's Trailer Page, but I don't remember if they were from apple. And I don't use vlc as a plugin for Firefox so I can't tell you anything about that. |
| 21:32.57 | greycat | .mov is usually a Quicktime file, isn't it? |
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| 21:33.14 | JPT | wwwAndy: i never even burned a cd... but is it possible to use dd for this? :) |
| 21:33.18 | Titan8990 | greycat, yes |
| 21:33.20 | slope | konfusion: look what I found http://blog.omegarpg.net/index.php/2009/09/22/apple-trailers-solved-kind-of/ |
| 21:33.21 | konfusion | greycat: yes |
| 21:33.54 | slope | Apparently it's a problem with Apple being "fucking assholes" :) |
| 21:35.06 | konfusion | "Its not a problem with VLC/Totem/mplayer. Its a problem with Apple being fucking assholes. " |
| 21:35.07 | konfusion | lool |
| 21:35.18 | konfusion | Indeed :o) |
| 21:35.25 | slope | Being an ipod owner, that doesn't surprise me at all. Anyway, I'm off, good luck konfusion |
| 21:35.38 | konfusion | thanx, peace |
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| 21:35.47 | wwwAndy | JPT: The EFM is done by the cd burner in firmware, so perhaps there is a way to "bypass" this. Googled for a while but found no solution. |
| 21:35.54 | JPT | hmm |
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| 21:36.04 | kermit | slope: lol @ apple and useragent |
| 21:36.12 | JPT | using alternative firmware might be overkill :D |
| 21:36.25 | greycat | denying content to people based on user-agent is about the least effective way imaginable |
| 21:36.51 | JPT | wwwAndy: why would you want to burn this stream without the encoding? :) more capacity? |
| 21:37.31 | wwwAndy | JPT: The EFM (eight to fourteen modulation) "scrambles" the bits so that there are not more than 3 zeros in a serie. this is needed for the read out laser to track the "path" |
| 21:38.05 | wwwAndy | JPT: No, i want to create VERY small pictures on the CD/DVD film for scientific purposes |
| 21:38.11 | JPT | oh |
| 21:38.12 | JPT | hmmmm |
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| 21:38.16 | JPT | nice idea |
| 21:38.25 | JPT | how about lightscribe dvd burners? ;) |
| 21:38.33 | wwwAndy | JPT: I know Tattoo from Yamaha T@2 and lightscribe |
| 21:38.38 | JPT | mh |
| 21:38.52 | JPT | it would be cool to burn pictures with a usual cd burner.. |
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| 21:39.06 | wwwAndy | JPT: Yes, indeed there is a SDK (closed source library) from HP as RPM package |
| 21:39.46 | onto | hi, I'm getting the following errors whenever I try to install something(the software is installed successfully though but I cannot run pygtk applications): http://pastebin.ca/1680004 |
| 21:39.48 | wwwAndy | but it does some strange autoscaling |
| 21:40.13 | onto | when I try to run a pygtk application, it gives me the error: Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 21:40.13 | onto | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:40.13 | onto | ImportError: No module named gtk |
| 21:40.24 | greycat | so install it. |
| 21:40.34 | greycat | apt-cache search python gtk |
| 21:40.43 | onto | greycat: I already have python gtk |
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| 21:41.22 | onto | greycat: first I thought it could be because of conflicting python packages so I uninstalled every version except python 2.5.2 and it's still not working :( |
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| 21:41.37 | greycat | *shrug* |
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| 21:43.56 | wwwAndy | onto: is python-central installed? |
| 21:44.03 | onto | wwwAndy: yep |
| 21:44.14 | onto | 0.6.8 |
| 21:44.33 | wwwAndy | and python-wxgtk2.6 ? |
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| 21:45.01 | Sneex | phatch a python package? |
| 21:45.14 | onto | yes |
| 21:45.19 | onto | wwwAndy: yes |
| 21:45.22 | Sneex | what version? |
| 21:45.36 | onto | Sneex: version of what? |
| 21:45.41 | Sneex | phatch |
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| 21:45.53 | Sneex | your pastebin is croaking on trhe Python Version |
| 21:46.01 | onto | hmmm ... phatch works :S |
| 21:46.06 | onto | 0.1.5 |
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| 21:47.33 | wwwAndy | onto:im suprised about "dpkg: error processing gnome-panel (--configure)..dpkg: error processing gedit (--configure):" |
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| 21:48.07 | onto | wwwAndy: I am not sure if it's relevant but I've been getting these errors since upgrading to lenny |
| 21:48.32 | dserban | which file under /var/lib contains the currently installed packages? |
| 21:48.40 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 21:48.48 | dserban | abrotman: thanks |
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| 21:50.03 | wwwAndy | btw, after 3 years without booting problems (bad kernel, bad grub config..) on debian the last dist-upgrade installed udev 147. The kernel should therefore be >2.6.26 but the dependency was wrong and left me with 2.6.26 |
| 21:50.37 | wwwAndy | udevd, not udev- sorry |
| 21:50.49 | onto | Also, I have three packages named python: python, python2.5 and python2.5-minimal |
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| 21:52.10 | wwwAndy | onto: after upgrading from etch to lenny? |
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| 21:52.24 | onto | wwwAndy: the packages or the problem? |
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| 21:54.28 | action09 | anyone has some clues (links, methods, papers) to do upgrades on a production host (Debian Lenny) *? i mean , i thinks upgrades are 'safe' but how can we be sure.. so i plan to do a virtual image of a live host, do upgrades, and see if it's OK.. anyone has already done that ? |
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| 21:56.41 | wwwAndy | action09: I would do an full image, then update. |
| 21:56.42 | Sneex | action09: Have you installed anythig non-standard? |
| 21:57.17 | action09 | Sneex some host yes unhappily |
| 21:57.35 | Sneex | then beware of simply upgrading |
| 21:58.10 | Sneex | I have run many Debian box in a live environment and had Zero issues when I used the standard Distro |
| 21:58.13 | action09 | wwwAndy full image with ? |
| 21:58.14 | wwwAndy | action09: how long could the system be "down"? |
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| 21:59.43 | wwwAndy | action09: there are different methods to do this. Very simple: boot from live CD (debian live), make image with dd an gz |
| 21:59.50 | Sneex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_%28Unix%29 |
| 21:59.56 | action09 | wwwAndy never :) or approx a little bit, but priority is that it's alive, if upgrades failed and os/apps are nok it's bad, if there's a few downtime minutes taht we can plan, no problem.. |
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| 22:00.04 | Sneex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dd_(Unix) |
| 22:00.16 | action09 | ok thanks Sneex :) |
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| 22:00.53 | maligor | got to love how wikipedia wants to make all capitalized |
| 22:01.02 | wwwAndy | action09: HEY, I proposed dd before Sneex ;-) |
| 22:01.14 | action09 | ok guys thanks :) |
| 22:01.42 | onto | so any ideas on how I can get pygtk apps working? |
| 22:01.52 | Sneex | LOL wwAndy is correct action09 , You need to do a full backup :) |
| 22:01.56 | wwwAndy | action09: for "productivity" I used boot via PXE and FOG, very nice project to image systems |
| 22:02.21 | action09 | anyway hosts are already on vmware... |
| 22:02.36 | action09 | i need to some hosts. |
| 22:02.42 | action09 | my questions are for the real one |
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| 22:03.02 | action09 | i'll use so Debian live dd+gz and install it in a virtual iamge |
| 22:03.11 | action09 | s/iamge/image |
| 22:03.16 | Sneex | You need a way to backup a running live system yes? |
| 22:05.28 | Sneex | action09: If I was in your place I would build a virtual image first and 'migrate' to it :P |
| 22:05.45 | action09 | hmm ok good idea |
| 22:06.00 | wwwAndy | onto: I'm not familiar with python, but I guess there are some conflicts in your system. After the "dist-upgrade" I would do a reboot (i guess new kernel), aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 22:07.00 | wwwAndy | then install python-central an gtk bindings |
| 22:07.27 | action09 | thanks for your answers Sneex wwwAndy :) |
| 22:07.31 | wwwAndy | and remove old versions |
| 22:07.32 | onto | wwwAndy: I can try re-installing python-central |
| 22:07.36 | Sneex | no problem |
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| 22:08.13 | onto | wwwAndy: do you know if python2.5, python and python2.5-minimal can conflict? |
| 22:08.40 | wwwAndy | btw: i read two weaks ago:"Do not use debian-testing on desktop system" |
| 22:09.10 | wwwAndy | onto: No, I don't know. I'm guessing |
| 22:09.18 | onto | wwwAndy: ok |
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| 22:12.04 | action09 | wwwAndy you mean FOG ? have you an URL please ? |
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| 22:14.05 | wwwAndy | action09: http://www.fogproject.org/ |
| 22:14.11 | action09 | thanks a lot |
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| 22:15.42 | wwwAndy | action09: http://www.fogproject.org/wiki/index.php?title=FOGUserGuide&Itemid=51#What_is_FOG.3F |
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| 22:17.45 | wwwAndy | action09: I read...imaging solution for Windows XP, Windows Vista, and Linux (limited) .... so there could be problems with LVM or something |
| 22:17.56 | action09 | yes bad |
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| 22:18.44 | wwwAndy | action09: i think I missed something |
| 22:19.02 | action09 | maybe more useful to do some dd+gs and live debian , because my questions was for servers (Dell, HP..Etc) with vaious OS (centos, debian..Etc) and sometime apps in /opt and everywhere and sometime only apps installed from debian repository (formerly called clean system ;) |
| 22:19.12 | action09 | s/dd+gs/dd+gz |
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| 22:20.42 | wwwAndy | action09: You have different "real" servers running? And each server runs several virtual systems? |
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| 22:21.42 | wwwAndy | and you want to upgrade the client/virtual system or the host/REAL systems? |
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| 22:21.58 | action09 | not exacly .. it's heterogenous and i'm searching for the most appropriated solution: i stay on various dists but only Linux, which are guests or not on vmware images or real host/hard servers |
| 22:21.58 | linelevel | Hi all. I type `apt-get install lshw` (the hardware lister) and get an error due to unresolved dependencies. I try the suggested `apt-get -f install` and get another error because i have an old kernel version. I have other machines with the same kernel version which installed lshw without problem (and I can't upgrade at this time anyway). Help? |
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| 22:23.14 | wwwAndy | action09: The vmware are easy to backup. just copy the image. |
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| 22:23.20 | action09 | yes |
| 22:23.25 | action09 | for that yes |
| 22:23.48 | action09 | for others dd+gz in Debian live |
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| 22:27.43 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i installed debian testing netinst where is the menu.lst of grub, i haven't found in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 22:29.53 | wwwAndy | action09: you could also try http://www.fsarchiver.org/Main_Page or http://clonezilla.org/ |
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| 22:30.24 | _klamath_ | little question, just installed debian 5.03, going crazy with fan continuosly running at top |
| 22:30.38 | _klamath_ | any clue to control ? |
| 22:30.52 | _klamath_ | pc desktop |
| 22:30.53 | wwwAndy | action09: fsarchiver is part of SystemRescueCd |
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| 22:31.20 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: Notebook? |
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| 22:38.39 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: CPU fan can throtle down? |
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| 22:40.43 | _klamath_ | wwwAndy: how ? |
| 22:41.24 | MarkGil | Hi, is there some way of checking what things are causing dependancy bloat in Debian? I am updating my system, and magically it wants to bring in 15MB of new stuff, compilers, MySQL and all sorts of junk. OK for a server or desktop, but sucks on a embedded flash system... |
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| 22:42.15 | jelly-home | MarkGil: you may have forgotten to make apt/aptitude not install Recommends? |
| 22:42.43 | MarkGil | where is that set? |
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| 22:43.10 | _klamath_ | wwwAndy : wwwAndy what do you mean ? |
| 22:43.25 | MarkGil | is there a way to show the depedancy chain? |
| 22:43.35 | jelly-home | hm |
| 22:43.41 | jelly-home | !aptitude-fu |
| 22:43.41 | dpkg | To list uninstalled recommended or suggested packages: aptitude search '~RBsuggests:~i!~i'; upgradeable packages: aptitude search '~U'; manually installed packages: aptitude search '~i!~M'; install without recommends but not uninstalling other recommends: aptitude install -R -o Aptitude::Keep-Recommends=true See also <aptitude why>. |
| 22:43.44 | brick | MarkGil, yes, dpkg and apt can show you |
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| 22:43.57 | jelly-home | MarkGil: recursively, I gather? |
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| 22:44.04 | MarkGil | If something didn't need MySQL yesterday, but did today, that somethings not right, and a package has to be dumped. |
| 22:44.51 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: I have a old Athlon 1800XP an the CPU fan runs always. I didn't know that there are desktop PCs, which can reduce the CPU fan rpm |
| 22:44.55 | MarkGil | I currently use apt, should I switch to aptitude? |
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| 22:45.27 | jelly-home | MarkGil: anyway, man aptitude, read about --without-recommends |
| 22:45.35 | mrboss | someone has problem to run eggdrop in debian 5? |
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| 22:48.52 | elops | How do I check the fragmentation of an ext3 filesystem? |
| 22:49.03 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: I'm playing with my system and installed lm-sensors to see my CPU temperature |
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| 22:50.20 | Melissa | anyone ever have any luck with lexmark printers? specifically the x1100 series |
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| 22:51.28 | \amethyst | elops: fsck -E fragcheck for allocated blocks, e2freefrag for free space fragmentation |
| 22:51.30 | arrenlex | After installing openjdk and then removing it, all my java programs (java, jar, javac...) have become broken symlinks. They all point to /etc/alternatives/?, which are themselves broken. |
| 22:51.46 | arrenlex | Is there a way I can fix all the java symlinks to point to the installed jvm automatically? |
| 22:51.55 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: how does your /proc/acpi/fan look? |
| 22:52.03 | \amethyst | elops: they shouldn't be run on a mounted filesystem |
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| 22:53.13 | ovnicraft | hi folks i am writing a daemon and i want to exec 2 programs from it i get this, to start: start-stop-daemon --start --exec $DAEMON |
| 22:53.30 | _klamath_ | wwwAndy : empty |
| 22:53.35 | ovnicraft | $DAEMON could be this DAEMON=/usr/bin/tinyerp-server & /usr/bin/start-tinyerp? |
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| 22:53.52 | _klamath_ | it is a directory and it is empty |
| 22:53.54 | ovnicraft | and exec 2 programs in one line? |
| 22:54.00 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: no |
| 22:54.43 | ovnicraft | so a daemon just can exec one program or i can exec 2 programs in 2 lines? |
| 22:55.06 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: you can call start-stop-daemon twice |
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| 22:56.46 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, so my start case could be this: http://pastebin.com/d266fa307? |
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| 22:57.41 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: well, you'll probably also want to stop both of them in stop, and restart both in restart |
| 22:58.21 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, yes but i want to know if is posible :) |
| 22:58.30 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, thx |
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| 22:59.37 | MarkGil | hmm, the apt-get --no-install-recommends upgrade does not work, it still wants to bring in MySQL. http://pastebin.com/m73f5c3c7 |
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| 23:00.17 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: have a look at lm-sensors and "pwmconfig" |
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| 23:01.13 | \amethyst | MarkGil: mysql-common isn't mysql, just the config files necessary for the mysql client libraries |
| 23:01.19 | \amethyst | MarkGil: also, it's already installed |
| 23:01.28 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: sudo pwmconfig: This program will search your sensors for pulse width modulation (pwm) |
| 23:01.28 | wwwAndy | controls, and test each one to see if it controls a fan on your motherboard. |
| 23:01.51 | \amethyst | MarkGil: which is fairly common, since any program that has mysql support will depend on the client libraries, even if you're not using the support |
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| 23:02.40 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: did you run "sudo sensors-detect" before? |
| 23:03.03 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: it asks you to probe pci,isa,i2c and so on |
| 23:03.42 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: read all questions, the last (..insert into /etc/modules...) is default NO |
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| 23:04.17 | wwwAndy | after that "sensors" should show the CPU temperatures an fan rpm |
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| 23:05.12 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, can i add & like this: start-stop-daemon --start --exec $DAEMON & |
| 23:05.14 | MarkGil | thanks, that explains it. It's rather misleading the package names sometimes. |
| 23:05.34 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: you'd use --background instead of & |
| 23:05.44 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, great |
| 23:05.46 | _klamath_ | wwwAndy: I did, the last line is Unloading i2c-dev... OK |
| 23:06.12 | _klamath_ | wwwAndy: but with /usr/sbin/pwmconfig: There are no pwm-capable sensor modules installed |
| 23:06.38 | _klamath_ | is still the same, have I to restart something in /etc/uinit.d ? |
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| 23:06.52 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: (this is assuming the program doesn't provide a "daemon mode" that self-backgrounds) |
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| 23:07.21 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, yes the program dont provide it |
| 23:07.38 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: you could read http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/327 |
| 23:08.25 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: "lsmod |grep fan" shows fan and thermal? |
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| 23:09.46 | _klamath_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:10.14 | wwwAndy | lmod |grep i2c |
| 23:10.17 | wwwAndy | lsmod |
| 23:10.40 | wwwAndy | shows here i2c_dev, i2c_viapro i2c_core |
| 23:10.54 | _klamath_ | i2c_i801 8580 0 |
| 23:10.54 | _klamath_ | i2c_core 20844 1 i2c_i801 |
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| 23:11.14 | acu | I want to update fully from Lenny to Squeeze - I changed sources.list what is the command to completely upgrade |
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| 23:13.44 | wwwAndy | acu: aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade ? But don't blame me if it fails |
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| 23:14.37 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: and "sensors" shows your cpu temp and fan rpm? |
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| 23:14.50 | justadog | hello |
| 23:15.04 | _klamath_ | wwwAndy> |
| 23:15.14 | _klamath_ | wwwAndy : yes |
| 23:15.53 | _klamath_ | wwwAndy : do I have to reboot ? |
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| 23:18.04 | arcnewuss | is there a default startup script for postgresql-8.4 |
| 23:18.13 | arcnewuss | do i need to write it |
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| 23:18.53 | \amethyst | arcnewuss: yes, /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.4, in the package postgresql-8.4 |
| 23:18.54 | Osax | Hi. Any d-i translators here? |
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| 23:20.25 | arcnewuss | thank you |
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| 23:23.53 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: it should normally work without reboot |
| 23:24.17 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, my apache2 is not running to boot i just installed but when boot it doesnt run |
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| 23:26.01 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: do you have /etc/init.d/apache2 ? |
| 23:26.05 | ojo1 | Hey, I just got an Intel SE7505VB2 xeon server board, I'm putting debian on it. How can i make sure that debian uses all the functions of the hardware (raid, acpi atc...) |
| 23:26.23 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, yes |
| 23:26.28 | ovnicraft | with permissions ok |
| 23:26.48 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: check the logs to see if there was an error |
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| 23:27.05 | ovnicraft | log about systems or apache? |
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| 23:27.15 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: also make sure you have the S??apache2 link in your runlevel directory /etc/rc2.d/ |
| 23:27.16 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, i run it manually and runs ok |
| 23:27.18 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: apache |
| 23:27.30 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: run it manually with /etc/init.d/apache2 start ? |
| 23:27.35 | ovnicraft | yes |
| 23:27.46 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: check for the links then |
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| 23:27.57 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S??apache2 |
| 23:28.03 | ovnicraft | S91apache2 in rc2.d |
| 23:28.11 | wwwAndy | why are there so many snotty idiots on debian-de? guys, i love you all |
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| 23:28.49 | telenieko | hi ppl. Is snapshot.debian.net still alive? I'm trying to get nvidia 185.18.36-2 from unstalbe as latest version seems broken for me :( |
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| 23:29.14 | wwwAndy | _klamath_: any results? lm-sensors worked on my machine without any problems. Due to lack of a PWM controllable fan i can't do further testings |
| 23:29.42 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2008-09-27 09:39 S91apache2 -> ../init.d/apache2 |
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| 23:30.08 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: so it should be starting on boot. |
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| 23:30.25 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: check the apache error log maybe |
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| 23:30.55 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: I don't know what's wrong |
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| 23:31.47 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, and i get the same problem with another daemon |
| 23:32.21 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: and you started up normally, not in single-user mode? |
| 23:32.35 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: what does runlevel say? (as root) |
| 23:32.47 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: (or you can run /sbin/runlevel not as root) |
| 23:33.51 | ovnicraft | yes i started it normally |
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| 23:35.12 | ovnicraft | \amethyst, and if a update-rc with apache2 |
| 23:35.13 | ovnicraft | ? |
| 23:35.30 | ovnicraft | if i use update-rcd with apache2? |
| 23:35.46 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: it would recreate that link that's already there---wouldn't change anything |
| 23:36.09 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: does invoke-rc.d apache2 start start it the same way /etc/init.d/apache2 start does? |
| 23:36.36 | ovnicraft | yes |
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| 23:37.21 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: so I can think of nothing that would cause it not to start on boot, unless you're booting into a different runlevel |
| 23:37.34 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: what does /sbin/runlevel print? "N 2" ? |
| 23:37.35 | ovnicraft | start says this: Starting web server (apache2)...apache2 |
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| 23:38.00 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: and is it actually running after doing invoke-rc.d? |
| 23:38.30 | ovnicraft | yes is running |
| 23:38.40 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: then that rules out the policy-rc.d layer |
| 23:39.07 | ovnicraft | and runlevel says unknown |
| 23:39.20 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: that's not normal |
| 23:39.28 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: that's the problem |
| 23:39.35 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: your machine isn't starting in runlevel 2 |
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| 23:39.45 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: do you have upstart or anything strange like that? |
| 23:40.12 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: what does grep ^id /etc/inittab say? |
| 23:40.18 | ovnicraft | but the default runninf level says 2 |
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| 23:40.26 | ovnicraft | id:2:initdefault: |
| 23:40.40 | ovnicraft | in the default runlevel |
| 23:40.52 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: do you get any strange prompts when the machine boots? |
| 23:41.02 | \amethyst | to enter the root password, etc? |
| 23:41.09 | ovnicraft | no everething is ok |
| 23:41.17 | ovnicraft | is really strange that |
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| 23:41.57 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: check /var/log/boot.log search for the word 'runlevel' |
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| 23:42.30 | ovnicraft | nothing has been logged yet |
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| 23:43.11 | \amethyst | this is a normal Debian install, not a live CD or something like that? |
| 23:43.22 | ovnicraft | yes |
| 23:43.28 | ovnicraft | normally |
| 23:43.33 | do0ob | hi all this package is broken, xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.2.0-1_amd64.deb |
| 23:43.37 | ovnicraft | and my apache2 was booting ok |
| 23:43.44 | do0ob | its an update which seems to have just become available |
| 23:43.49 | \amethyst | ovnicraft: I don't know where you'd look if it's not in the boot log |
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| 23:44.08 | do0ob | it causes the mouse to completely stop working |
| 23:44.10 | hark | ovnicraft: what does who -r say? |
| 23:44.38 | do0ob | dmesg error produced by it: [ 320.428330] psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at byte 1 |
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| 23:45.57 | do0ob | reverting to xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_1.1.2-1_amd64.deb fixed the issue |
| 23:46.12 | hark | !btssmite do0ob |
| 23:46.12 | dpkg | beats do0ob around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if do0ob is running testing or unstable |
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| 23:46.54 | themill | dpkg: tell do0ob about multiple ask |
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| 23:47.01 | do0ob | hark: you can't run anything but unstable |
| 23:47.19 | themill | do0ob: when you run unstable you aren't allowed to complain when things break. |
| 23:47.23 | Joelito | Hi, I need help with vlc mozilla plugin and iceweasel, it won't show the movie :( |
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| 23:47.32 | Joelito | I have lenny and w32codecs |
| 23:47.36 | Joelito | any help! |
| 23:47.37 | do0ob | themill: but i can warn other people in here |
| 23:47.44 | themill | do0ob: the bts is for that. |
| 23:47.57 | do0ob | Joelito: you need the debian multimedia repo in your sources.list |
| 23:48.00 | do0ob | !dmm |
| 23:48.00 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 23:48.02 | hark | do0ob: it's a known issue, and people who run sid would be aware of it |
| 23:48.13 | do0ob | oh ok |
| 23:48.21 | Joelito | do0ob I already have it |
| 23:48.49 | do0ob | Joelito: are you running a 64bit system? then you need w64codecs |
| 23:49.09 | Joelito | do0ob, no is 32bits |
| 23:50.05 | hark | w32codecs is not for vlc |
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| 23:50.35 | do0ob | its for mplayer, the best media player on linux |
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| 23:51.28 | Idle | I am attempting to update an desperately old version of debian (it was running sarge... *groan*), and have ran into a snag... it failed to update debianutils, and now apt-get is just failing every time |
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| 23:52.11 | hark | Idle: from sarge to lenny? |
| 23:52.17 | Joelito | hark, oh..so what plugins should I use with vlc? |
| 23:52.27 | Idle | yea, I'm walking it up, had to go to etch, now I'm upgrading etch to lenny |
| 23:52.27 | Joelito | btw: mplayer-plugin also won't work :( |
| 23:53.03 | do0ob | Idle: would backing you your data and reinstalling be an option? |
| 23:53.20 | Idle | do0ob: yea, its second on the list, right after asking #debian ;) |
| 23:53.42 | Idle | I'm fairly sure this is fixable though |
| 23:53.52 | wwwAndy | dpkg beats do0ob around the head repeatedly ... if do0ob is running testing or unstable |
| 23:53.52 | dpkg | that's too long, wwwAndy |
| 23:53.57 | hark | Idle: pastebin your errors.. without it it's going to be difficult to help. /msg dpkg bat |
| 23:54.27 | Idle | http://uuoc.com/10991 |
| 23:54.33 | Idle | that was the apt error during dist-upgrade |
| 23:54.47 | Idle | then I just get this with apt-get: E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf |
| 23:54.53 | wwwAndy | curious, why dpkg says: ..if doOob is running testing or unstable..? |
| 23:55.02 | neoice | anyone here have experience patching the kernel with grsec? there's packages in the repos for it |
| 23:55.19 | Idle | I think its just debianutils that broke when installing, and I need to reinstall that, but I'm not entirely sure how to go about doing that |
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| 23:55.23 | wwwAndy | if no one would use testing or unstable, who would debug the system? |
| 23:55.29 | hark | Idle: are you following the release notes? |
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| 23:55.51 | hark | Idle: you should have been using aptitude |
| 23:55.55 | Idle | I didn't have them on hand, :( |
| 23:55.56 | Idle | really? |
| 23:56.01 | Idle | why aptitude? |
| 23:56.07 | do0ob | aptitude is awesome |
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| 23:56.29 | do0ob | its much nicer to deal with, it works out solutions for package management issues |
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| 23:56.41 | themill | wwwAndy: people who use testing or unstable should know to check the bts first. |
| 23:56.51 | hark | !tell Idle about release notes |
| 23:56.55 | Idle | I've never really had any issues with apt-get though |
| 23:56.56 | do0ob | bts? |
| 23:57.05 | wwwAndy | bug tracking system |
| 23:57.08 | Idle | just some bad packages that blow up periodicly |
| 23:57.33 | Idle | where is the dpkg log? I want to figure out why its failing to install add-shell |
| 23:57.43 | hark | Idle: you can overwrite it for now. /msg dpkg overwrite |
| 23:57.54 | hark | add-shell is no longer in passwd |
| 23:58.09 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Idle about why aptitude |
| 23:58.33 | hark | Idle: just follow the release notes |
| 23:58.58 | wwwAndy | themill: okay, i must admit, that I am running testing for 2 years ans unstable since 1year and never looked to bts for install or upgrade. But that is my home system, if something goes wrong i have time so fix it |
| 23:59.17 | Idle | hark: I don't even know where the release notes are :( |
| 23:59.31 | themill | dpkg: tell Idle about sarge->etch |
| 23:59.35 | hark | Idle: see the message from dpkg |
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