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| 00:00.02 | Idle | well, I'm already at etch |
| 00:00.23 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Idle about etch->lenny |
| 00:00.29 | hark | !tell Idle about release notes |
| 00:00.43 | hark | afk |
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| 00:00.57 | Idle | :) |
| 00:01.28 | jpinx-eeepc | Idle: sarge->etch was the hard one - etch->lenny is just follw the notes |
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| 00:01.41 | Idle | jpinx-eeepc: yea, I found that out the hard way |
| 00:01.44 | Idle | 2.4 -> 2.6 |
| 00:01.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Idle: ;) |
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| 00:02.13 | Idle | actually, my biggest issue was that lilo wasn't installing to the MBR, and it magically detected the raid1 that I nuked 3.5 years ago, and insisted I use it instead of hda1 |
| 00:02.23 | Idle | stupid mkinitrd |
| 00:02.47 | Idle | aside from that it was smooth |
| 00:02.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Idle: once you have aptitude available, really read man aptitude and use it to sort out dependencies etc |
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| 00:03.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Idle: use grub - it's easier;) |
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| 00:03.44 | jpinx-eeepc | Idle: anyway - you're on the home run now :) |
| 00:04.04 | Idle | yea, I know :D |
| 00:04.07 | Idle | I love grub |
| 00:04.11 | Idle | it solves soooo many problems |
| 00:04.18 | mmjj23 | do you think i should be worried if someone is repeatedly trying to login as root on my vps?? |
| 00:04.35 | Idle | I've never used aptitude, I thought apt-get was supposed to resolve deps, but I'll try aptitude |
| 00:04.38 | jpinx-eeepc | mmjj23: damn right ! |
| 00:04.57 | jpinx-eeepc | mmjj23: use fail2ban maybe? |
| 00:04.58 | shattered | mmjj23: some automated scanner probably |
| 00:05.18 | Idle | ultimately I need to figure out this frustrating "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on debconf" |
| 00:05.19 | shattered | but you knew that :) |
| 00:05.25 | Idle | I cant even apt-get aptitude |
| 00:05.40 | jpinx-eeepc | mmjj23: and I hope you have the default of ssh set to no root logins? |
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| 00:05.54 | mmjj23 | root login is disabled, but looking at it, it does seem automated |
| 00:06.28 | jpinx-eeepc | mmjj23: it's trying a bruteforce/distionary maybe - fail2ban is your friend ;) |
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| 00:06.51 | shattered | fwiw, fail2ban is not the only software of this kind |
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| 00:06.56 | shattered | there's sshguard |
| 00:07.20 | jpinx-eeepc | shattered: it's the only one I can ever remember - but you are absolutely right - there are several solutions |
| 00:07.25 | mmjj23 | cheers jpinx-eeepc i'll look into that |
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| 00:07.41 | mmjj23 | nd sshguard |
| 00:07.50 | shattered | sshguard is C code, iirc |
| 00:07.57 | shattered | fail2ban is perl |
| 00:08.10 | jpinx-eeepc | I believe you're right |
| 00:08.32 | themill | shattered: itym python |
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| 00:08.50 | shattered | could be, yeah :) |
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| 00:09.28 | jpinx-eeepc | a quick aptitude show will give it away |
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| 00:09.50 | themill | (sshguard is also not in stable) |
| 00:10.10 | jpinx-eeepc | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.14 | fale | hi, how can I put a conditional dependence in a debian package? |
| 00:10.32 | themill | fale: conditional upon what? |
| 00:10.48 | fale | themill: like packagea or packageb |
| 00:11.48 | Idle | sadly, all of this pain I am inflicting on myself is to make it so someone can email to a fax machine... my head, it hurts |
| 00:11.53 | fale | like: if packagea is already in the sys it will not try to install packageb and viceversa |
| 00:12.00 | jpinx-eeepc | a dependency is a dependency - how can it be conditional? |
| 00:12.03 | themill | fale: packagea | packageb. |
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| 00:12.18 | fale | themill: cool :) thankyou :) |
| 00:12.33 | themill | fale: see §7.1 of policy |
| 00:12.53 | jpinx-eeepc | !aspirin Idle |
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| 00:12.57 | fale | themill: mmm where? |
| 00:13.22 | themill | fale: A worthy document if you are making packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-relationships.html Also, /msg dpkg nmg |
| 00:13.44 | fale | themill: thank you :) |
| 00:14.08 | Idle | sadly, the place that needs the fax setup, considers fax's more secure then https websites... and "faster" too |
| 00:14.24 | themill | fale: I'm sure this is covered in Ubuntu packaging guides too :þ |
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| 00:14.37 | grendal_prime | I have two dir i need to sync. Live sync basically. I was looking at running dnitify and have it trigger an rsync script. I though there was an dnotify-daemon...but i dont see one..(or at least a startup process) I can fire it up at system boot. But then i have to make somethign that monitors for it.. any advice? |
| 00:14.52 | fale | themill: I'll look even there :) |
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| 00:16.28 | i--pink | hii all |
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| 00:17.06 | i--pink | how i can find my init? |
| 00:17.16 | Idle | init is an app... |
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| 00:17.30 | i--pink | the rc |
| 00:17.37 | i--pink | rc4 rc5.. |
| 00:17.44 | themill | !wayttd i--pink |
| 00:17.44 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, i--pink? |
| 00:17.54 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 00:18.11 | i--pink | remove junk from the boot |
| 00:18.34 | Idle | i--pink: its in /etc/rcX.d |
| 00:18.35 | Idle | etc |
| 00:18.46 | i--pink | hehe |
| 00:18.51 | Idle | change the SNNwhatever to K(100-NN)whatever |
| 00:18.54 | i--pink | but X = ? |
| 00:18.54 | Idle | but BE CAREFUL |
| 00:18.58 | shattered | what kind of junk? |
| 00:19.09 | Idle | yea, "junk" is relative |
| 00:19.15 | i--pink | acpi.. ntp.. cron.. |
| 00:19.17 | Idle | chances are you need that to boot |
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| 00:19.28 | shattered | please don't remove that |
| 00:19.32 | shattered | especially not cron |
| 00:19.34 | Idle | yea, thats a bad idea |
| 00:19.36 | i--pink | i joke.. |
| 00:19.36 | themill | i--pink: if you don't know where to look for it, you probably shouldn't try fiddling with it. |
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| 00:19.50 | Idle | aint that the truth |
| 00:20.11 | Idle | its like "where is my alternator, I want to try to tune it up" |
| 00:20.17 | Idle | just, yea... bad |
| 00:20.24 | shattered | is tempted to make a rude joke |
| 00:20.33 | i--pink | i have rc0.d/ rc1.d/ rc2.d/ rc3.d/ rc4.d/ rc5.d/ rc6.d/ rcS.d/ |
| 00:20.44 | Idle | its IRC, you will get chastised if you don't make a rude joke ;) |
| 00:20.48 | shattered | ok |
| 00:20.55 | shattered | 'where is my asshole' |
| 00:20.55 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 00:21.00 | Idle | :P |
| 00:21.12 | i--pink | what rc i need? |
| 00:21.26 | jpinx-eeepc | idle - happens all the time - "I have upgraded to sid, but <package> isn't working" |
| 00:21.28 | Idle | I'm going home, taking a nap... its been a long afternoon |
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| 00:21.45 | shattered | i--pink: you need all of them |
| 00:21.57 | Idle | jpinx-eeepc: yea, I've had it happen all too many times |
| 00:21.59 | shattered | do you want to turn off some service? |
| 00:22.03 | i--pink | remove from all of them? |
| 00:22.11 | Idle | less then it ever happened on RPM based distros, thats for sure |
| 00:22.30 | jpinx-eeepc | smells a troll |
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| 00:23.02 | Idle | i--pink: uh, if you don't ever want to use your system again.... |
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| 00:24.05 | Gm4n | I'm coding some C on my debian box. Is there a way to get the process state for a given PID with C calls? |
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| 00:24.10 | i--pink | Idle, look, my boot time is 2 min!! |
| 00:24.24 | Idle | congrats |
| 00:24.31 | Idle | should disable X |
| 00:24.38 | themill | i--pink: so what version of the sysvinit package do you have installed? "dpkg -l sysvinit" |
| 00:24.38 | Idle | thats the fastest way to speed up boot |
| 00:24.43 | _SKiTZO | Gm4n: getpid() or something. but that really is a C question .. try #c |
| 00:24.45 | kermit | 2min is good?? |
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| 00:24.51 | Gm4n | will do, _SKiTZO |
| 00:24.58 | i--pink | is loaded mysql zoominder.. mythtv.. ... |
| 00:25.06 | _SKiTZO | Gm4n: tip: die.net |
| 00:25.08 | Idle | well, theres your problem |
| 00:25.11 | i--pink | how i remove them |
| 00:25.16 | Gm4n | _SKiTZO: I'm not following |
| 00:25.25 | Idle | i--pink: chances are its a DNS issue... things require DNS more then they should, and it often slows boot times |
| 00:25.39 | _SKiTZO | http://die.net <-- documentation. all man pages + all systemcalls ++++ |
| 00:25.48 | _SKiTZO | try searcing there for getpid |
| 00:25.49 | tonybaba | is it possible to return the date of an online file from the cli withput downloading it? |
| 00:26.13 | themill | _SKiTZO: try to make things look a little like pr0n spam when you post URLs :) |
| 00:26.23 | shattered | tonybaba: make a HEAD request |
| 00:26.31 | _SKiTZO | tonsofpcs: try wget of curl. they probably have some extravagant combination of arguments that will achive that |
| 00:26.33 | shattered | with luck, you'll get a Date: header back |
| 00:26.35 | i--pink | Idle, is not DNS |
| 00:26.50 | _SKiTZO | maybe with method=trace or something |
| 00:26.50 | Idle | are you sure? |
| 00:27.01 | themill | i--pink: so what version of the sysvinit package do you have installed? "dpkg -l sysvinit" |
| 00:27.13 | tonybaba | thanks shattered I will lok into that |
| 00:27.21 | shattered | curl -I will do that for you |
| 00:27.35 | themill | or /usr/bin/HEAD from libwww-perl |
| 00:27.37 | i--pink | themill, i want to remove junk from the boot |
| 00:27.47 | _SKiTZO | themill: ill try. like this? http://die.net/babe_fornicating_with_horse/../ ? |
| 00:27.58 | themill | i--pink: that's not the question that I asked. Twice. |
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| 00:28.42 | DSlenentine | I'm attempting apt pinning for the first time in order to install a newer version of libgtk2.0-0 because a program I'm trying to compile requires gtk+-2.0 >= 2.16.0 and the version in lenny is 2.12.12. Trying to install libgtk2 from testing results in apt trying to upgrade libc6 which breaks a whole bunch of other stuff. Am I just out of luck or is there any way forward? Here's all the relevent information: http://pastebin.com/m184271e4 . |
| 00:28.57 | i--pink | themill, i dont know |
| 00:29.28 | themill | i--pink: what's the output of: dpkg -l sysvinit | tail -1 |
| 00:29.30 | jpinx-eeepc | DSlenentine: backports or ssb ? |
| 00:29.41 | themill | DSlenentine: mixing stable and testing is never going to work out well... |
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| 00:29.56 | DSlenentine | themill: I was afraid of that. |
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| 00:30.31 | Idle | I always just bite the bullet and use testing, unless its on a production system |
| 00:30.45 | DSlenentine | Idle: That's plan B. |
| 00:30.49 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell DSlenentine about backports |
| 00:30.50 | Idle | especially if I intend to build anything :P |
| 00:30.57 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell DSlenentine about ssb |
| 00:31.14 | shattered | if you're only building it, just use a chroot |
| 00:31.48 | Idle | I like chroot with a union mount |
| 00:31.59 | Idle | means you can basically have a second full system |
| 00:32.00 | DSlenentine | jpinx-eeepc: Thank you. I'll try that. |
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| 00:32.16 | shattered | for extra fun, set up a VM :) |
| 00:32.26 | Idle | pfft, thats far less fun |
| 00:32.32 | rektide | whats the random password generator that gives you a decent sized list of passwords ? |
| 00:32.41 | themill | pwgen |
| 00:32.44 | rektide | yes thanks |
| 00:32.48 | rektide | pwgen++ |
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| 00:33.31 | Idle | *sigh*, if only I could get users to stop writing their passwords on giant lists and copying it, and handing it to everyone else in the office so that everyone knows everyone elses passwords |
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| 00:33.58 | _SKiTZO | there is a really good one that runs in your browser (js): http://www.mytsoftware.com/dailyproject/PassGen/GAY_PR0N/../PassGen.html |
| 00:34.08 | Idle | gay pron eh? |
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| 00:34.11 | shattered | :) |
| 00:34.24 | Idle | grc.com has a decent one |
| 00:34.28 | _SKiTZO | themill: told me to make my links look more like porn so i did |
| 00:34.47 | shattered | Idle: you could force them to use smart cards that also function as door keys |
| 00:35.02 | beardy | Or cut of their hands. |
| 00:35.05 | beardy | f |
| 00:35.14 | Idle | yea, I wish, but all the people are in different places, and our system only supports basic passwords |
| 00:35.43 | Idle | we have a project manager that we are building that takes one time passwords, but my boss's reaction to a successful and easy to use implementation was "can you disable it, they won't like that" |
| 00:35.52 | beardy | Idle: But seriously. How about some general information about security and why it exists? |
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| 00:36.11 | Idle | beardy: theyre all clients, they pay us to host their email |
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| 00:36.26 | shattered | tell them about identity theft |
| 00:36.52 | Idle | and my boss's attitude is that a key on a filing cabinet to hold credit card info is A-OK by him... not to mention he recomends people fax in their credit card info so it can be stored indefinately on plain paper in a cabinet |
| 00:36.55 | shattered | and how much info can be gained from one's e-mail |
| 00:37.03 | Idle | but, he carries insurance, so thats security, right? |
| 00:37.22 | Idle | shattered: sadly, I know.. and they just don't care :( |
| 00:37.50 | shattered | tell your boss about PCI DSS then :) |
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| 00:38.05 | jpinx-eeepc | they're last to use security but first to complain about a breach ;) |
| 00:38.06 | slope | Heh, when I was in school everyone got a random password and I never saw anyone take out a note, they all remembered it. Apparently people forgot the passwords in the beginning but when it cost 2⬠to ask for it again they stopped forgetting :) |
| 00:38.08 | Idle | I've heard of PCI, not PCI DSS |
| 00:38.29 | Idle | well, there are ways to allow you to write down your password |
| 00:38.37 | Idle | or rather, write down a semblance of it |
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| 00:38.56 | Idle | but, it requires diligence and carrying it with your credit cards |
| 00:39.00 | shattered | that's different PCI |
| 00:39.09 | shattered | payment card industry |
| 00:39.21 | slope | People should just type it a few times and then it's stuck. |
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| 00:39.51 | Idle | shattered: I should clarify, I meant the PCI standard that you are talking about |
| 00:40.06 | Idle | I've never seen it with DSS, as I don't follow standards documents usually |
| 00:40.17 | Idle | I think we are talking about the same thing ;) |
| 00:40.49 | Idle | he thinks because its not digital that he doesn't really need any actual security... and that the buzzer on the door is good enough security |
| 00:40.53 | Idle | it kind of scares me really |
| 00:41.11 | Idle | I know how easy it is to circumvent the security system... |
| 00:41.45 | Idle | but anyhow, this is hardly #debian on topic, so I'm gonna go home |
| 00:43.23 | hoo-hah | with aptitude, what's the difference between recommended and suggested apps? |
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| 00:43.49 | hoo-hah | I did most of my installation via aptitude, and now I'm beginning to suspect that I have way too many apps installed for my needs |
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| 00:43.57 | hoo-hah | basically I only want apps to provide core functionality |
| 00:44.29 | jpinx-eeepc | hoo-hah: man aptitude |
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| 00:46.48 | centHOGG | hi |
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| 00:47.18 | BR4512 | Bonjour, j' ai un petit problème avec une fonction que je voudrais utiliser (existe-t-elle ?) : Je voudrais ajouter, sans remplacer les traquers existants d'un fichier .torrent, le tracker de OpenBitTorent. J'ai bien essayé en long en large btreannounce.bittorrent ... mais il ne fait que remplacer, il ne semble pas gérer les "announce-list" |
| 00:47.18 | BR4512 | Hello, i have a problem with trakers in .torrent files . btreannounce.bittorrent change the tracker, but cant add trackers ... i want to do this in command line as btreannounce.bittorrent(/usr/bin/btreannounce.bittorrent http://tracker.openbittorrent.com/announce file1.torrent file2.torrent) . Any idea please ? |
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| 00:55.43 | hoo-hah | jpinx-eeepc: not much info there on suggests |
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| 00:58.11 | centHOGG | hi |
| 00:58.46 | KDE4000 | Anyone know of a good way to insatll python2.5 modules (such as twisted) on debian etch? |
| 00:59.01 | KDE4000 | i was doing them manualy, but too many to install |
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| 00:59.20 | ootput | hoo-hah: you're correct. Not much info on suggests in man page. I'm not sure why he told you to man aptitude |
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| 00:59.49 | ootput | hoo-hah: but IIRC, APT::Install-Suggests = "false" by default |
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| 01:00.46 | markybob | KDE4000, you know etch is oldstable, right? |
| 01:00.57 | KDE4000 | yes of course |
| 01:00.59 | markybob | KDE4000, why dont you move to the current stable, lenny? |
| 01:01.07 | centHOGG | <vmware etch? |
| 01:01.13 | KDE4000 | because the person who manages that server didnt want to upgrade it? |
| 01:01.19 | KDE4000 | :\ |
| 01:01.35 | markybob | then you better start fetching those sources |
| 01:01.43 | hoo-hah | well, are recommended packages tracked? ie can I list all installed packages that were recommends of others? |
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| 01:10.47 | KDE4000 | so, nobody knows of a way to get those python2.5 modules on etch? |
| 01:10.51 | KDE4000 | like twisted? |
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| 01:12.02 | SnakDoc | KDE4000: you try sudo apt-cache search twisted to see if package you need is there |
| 01:13.07 | SnakDoc | KDE4000: i guess you need sudo apt-get install python-twisted |
| 01:13.27 | jpinx-eeepc | hoo-hah: you can grep aptitudes logs |
| 01:13.47 | markybob | SnakDoc, no. not in etch...which i already told him |
| 01:14.04 | SnakDoc | markybob: sry messed that part |
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| 01:15.17 | SnakDoc | http://tmrc.mit.edu/mirror/twisted/Twisted/8.2/Twisted-8.2.0.tar.bz2 there tar ball you could compile it your self |
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| 01:19.35 | rektide | for a debian config file, how can i get the default file ? |
| 01:19.47 | rektide | i appear to have royally pooched /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.cfg |
| 01:20.12 | rektide | (and these bloody erlang riddles it throws would make the sphinx's head pop off) |
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| 01:21.32 | centHOGG | <handbrake dark gamma |
| 01:21.40 | dvs | rektide, dpkg-reconfigure <package-name> |
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| 01:23.14 | jakel | Something is permanently setting my locale to a locale which is broken. What would be the best way of tracking it down and removing it? I've already checked my .bashrc/.profile/.bash_profile files and there is nothing in them to indicate the changes. LC_TIME is being set to en_US-ISO.UTF-8 when it should be "en_US.UTF-8" |
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| 01:23.54 | rektide | dvs: that didnt rebuild or install my /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.cfg file |
| 01:24.09 | rektide | and the reconfigure failed because the file was either broken or missing |
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| 01:24.55 | dvs | rektide, then try "aptitude install --reinstall <package-name>" |
| 01:25.23 | BR451 | Hello, i have a problem with trakers in .torrent files . btreannounce.bittorrent change the tracker, but cant add trackers ... i want to do this in command line as btreannounce.bittorrent(/usr/bin/btreannounce.bittorrent http://new.uri:port/announce file1.torrent file2.torrent) . Any idea please ? |
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| 01:27.19 | rektide | i know when there's a new distribution config, dpkg creates some kind of .dpkg-dist or .dpkg-default or some such |
| 01:27.26 | rektide | its a shame theres no way to tap that directly |
| 01:27.44 | rektide | the reinstall seems to be preserving the broken ejabberd.cfg file |
| 01:27.47 | dvs | rektide, is it there now? |
| 01:27.56 | rektide | no |
| 01:27.59 | rektide | Not replacing deleted config file /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.cfg |
| 01:28.21 | rektide | i touched' a file there, and it left it there, didnt replace it |
| 01:28.24 | centHOGG | rektide: no other backups anywhere else? |
| 01:28.34 | rektide | no backups of the distribution default not |
| 01:28.35 | rektide | no |
| 01:28.44 | centHOGG | :( |
| 01:28.48 | rektide | theres really no reason what so ever i should have to purge this package |
| 01:28.51 | rektide | which is the next step |
| 01:28.57 | rektide | debian is managing this config file |
| 01:29.10 | rektide | i know for a fact there's got to be some way to get debian to spit out the distribution default one |
| 01:29.22 | rektide | just dont know how |
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| 01:30.10 | centHOGG | rektide: can you do a reinstall on a virtual machine or another computer |
| 01:30.18 | centHOGG | then copy that |
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| 01:30.35 | rektide | i can do it on another machine |
| 01:30.37 | Tramp | !tell rektide -about confmiss |
| 01:30.44 | rektide | i'd just really like to learn a tiny bit about ucf / debconf |
| 01:30.45 | centHOGG | yeah brute force there |
| 01:30.59 | rektide | thats the real Debian Way |
| 01:31.00 | rektide | (tm) |
| 01:31.07 | centHOGG | ha |
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| 01:31.58 | rektide | mother fuck this default conf file doesnt fucking work |
| 01:32.02 | rektide | FFUUUCKKK |
| 01:32.12 | centHOGG | been there rektide |
| 01:32.24 | rektide | i dont mind non working config files |
| 01:32.53 | centHOGG | whats your debian kernel |
| 01:32.55 | rektide | i DO mind when this is the best error message i can get: |
| 01:32.56 | rektide | http://pastebin.com/m27d1e040 |
| 01:33.18 | dvs | rektide, and uninstalling and reinstalling doesn't work? |
| 01:33.31 | rektide | as a programmer familiar with lisp and clojure, i still feel confident saying, ejabberd's errors are BULL SHIT. ;) |
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| 01:33.58 | rektide | dvs: i purged, then installed. and it still doesnt work, fresh out of the box. |
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| 01:35.00 | dvs | rektide, purged then delete the cfg file? |
| 01:35.10 | rektide | yes |
| 01:35.24 | dvs | wow! that's weird! |
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| 01:35.54 | asded | does the net install image have ndiswrapper? |
| 01:36.01 | asded | and wireless tools? |
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| 01:36.45 | tck9 | is there a quick/easy way to find a directories under / that have a lot of files in them |
| 01:36.48 | tck9 | looking for very large directories that i can prune. |
| 01:36.48 | rektide | no i dont believe so asded |
| 01:37.06 | asded | rektide: how about the normal cd? |
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| 01:37.34 | centHOGG | tck9: code this... du -sh * | sort -n .... in the main directories |
| 01:38.18 | rektide | asded: dont know, havent used that in a long time |
| 01:38.25 | centHOGG | brb |
| 01:38.42 | rektide | asded: i tend to doubt it... the main difference between the two tends to be what packages are installed, not the boot environment |
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| 01:38.58 | centHOGG | b (didn't get a drink) |
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| 01:40.43 | jakel | Something is permanently setting my locale to a locale which is broken. What would be the best way of tracking it down and removing it? I've already checked my .bashrc/.profile/.bash_profile files and there is nothing in them to indicate the changes. LC_TIME is being set to en_US-ISO.UTF-8 when it should be "en_US.UTF-8" |
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| 01:41.03 | rektide | its really "fun" because the ejabberd chat room is, obviously, an xmpp room |
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| 01:43.46 | DeSian | can i stop apache bot start with the machine? |
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| 01:45.30 | patrikf | tck9: try baobab for cleaning up your filesystem |
| 01:45.57 | tck9 | k ill try that |
| 01:46.00 | plutonas | i have uploaded some file to a debian server of a friend, and need a link to it to give to some people so that they can download it. server-domain.org/path/to/file doesn't work, how can i find out the right link? |
| 01:46.24 | tck9 | in the meantime, is there a console command that can quickly determine directories with large files in them? find is taking forever. |
| 01:46.54 | rektide | ah ha! there was some "erlang port mapper process" called epmd still running that was keeping ejabberd from starting |
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| 01:49.24 | DSlenentine | plutonas: Was the path to the file /var/www/something/etc. ? |
| 01:50.28 | plutonas | DSlenentine: no |
| 01:50.33 | DSlenentine | Hrm. |
| 01:50.42 | plutonas | username/www/filename.tar.gz |
| 01:51.13 | DSlenentine | Have you tried server.org/filename.tar.gz? |
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| 01:51.47 | plutonas | DSlenentine: not found |
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| 01:52.21 | plutonas | i am suspecting that the server may not be configured for me to access my account files from a browser |
| 01:52.24 | plutonas | if that makes sense |
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| 01:53.15 | DSlenentine | ...It could be a permission issue. The file needs to be readable by www-data |
| 01:53.39 | DSlenentine | ...assuming he's running apache. |
| 01:53.49 | plutonas | what is www-data? a user? |
| 01:53.55 | DSlenentine | Yea. |
| 01:54.02 | plutonas | he probably uses apache |
| 01:54.11 | plutonas | can you help me on checking if it's readable by www-data? |
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| 01:54.42 | cheako | Hello, Are there netinstall testing builds? I have a box that does not have optical drive and I only have this 256MB pendrive. |
| 01:55.04 | plutonas | it has read permission for everyone actually |
| 01:55.05 | centHOGG | heh |
| 01:55.10 | plutonas | -rw-r--r-- |
| 01:55.18 | cheako | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/ <-- I'm looking here, but didn't find anything I could use. |
| 01:55.33 | DSlenentine | plutonas: Does the directory have execute permission for everyone? |
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| 01:55.49 | D3RGPS31 | are there any downsides to using sid (i need ext4 support by kernel, not module) :< |
| 01:56.05 | plutonas | drwxr-xr-x thats the dirctory DSlenentine |
| 01:56.30 | DSlenentine | plutonas: I thought that was going to be it. |
| 01:56.41 | centHOGG | i guess ext4 must be good |
| 01:56.54 | shadowmaster | plutonas: have you tried server.org/~username/filename.tar.gz btw ? |
| 01:57.05 | plutonas | hm, no just a sec |
| 01:57.14 | shadowmaster | (skip the 'btw' of course) |
| 01:57.20 | cheako | plutonas: 644 and 755 |
| 01:57.28 | plutonas | ok doesn't work |
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| 01:57.48 | plutonas | cheako: it's easier to paste them as they are |
| 01:58.06 | plutonas | shadowmaster: of course i skipped btw :P |
| 01:58.21 | plutonas | actually i could access stuff on that server some time ago |
| 01:58.23 | plutonas | other stuff |
| 01:58.30 | plutonas | but now it migrated to a new domain |
| 01:58.41 | plutonas | which seems to have broken it, at least the way i used to access |
| 01:58.42 | cheako | centHOGG: I switched to ext4 and now I need to shrink my root FS and am finding it impossible to find a boot disk /w the correct tools. |
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| 01:58.58 | centHOGG | cheako: yup, that came to my mind |
| 01:59.02 | centHOGG | nightmare |
| 01:59.15 | plutonas | i should ask my friend who owns the server tomorrow i guess... |
| 01:59.18 | centHOGG | <reiserfs |
| 01:59.27 | centHOGG | brb |
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| 02:00.01 | DSlenentine | plutonas: do you have root access on the server? |
| 02:00.31 | plutonas | nope |
| 02:00.35 | plutonas | DSlenentine: |
| 02:00.43 | centHOGG | b |
| 02:00.44 | cheako | plutonas: server/~user/... |
| 02:00.59 | plutonas | cheako: without .org? |
| 02:01.08 | plutonas | does this make sense? |
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| 02:01.21 | cheako | plutonas: no, the server name is something.org, something.net is another server. |
| 02:01.22 | plutonas | or if you mean without the path then it doesn't work |
| 02:01.27 | cheako | Also you drom the www. |
| 02:01.32 | cheako | "drop" |
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| 02:01.45 | plutonas | yes it is tried with and without www |
| 02:01.58 | cheako | plutonas: How about the '~'. |
| 02:02.23 | cheako | plutonas: How about the '/~plutonas/'. |
| 02:02.35 | plutonas | yes it doesn't work |
| 02:02.48 | cheako | hmmm. |
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| 02:03.25 | plutonas | the strange thing is that although the domain has changed, the server shouldn't so i guess the permission settings etc neither |
| 02:03.37 | cheako | at that point I start doing lower level debugging, looking at the server config, watching file's atimes, ect. |
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| 02:04.15 | plutonas | cheako: no need... i'll ask my friend tomorrow... i just had promised to my friends that i'd give them the link today to dload the file |
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| 02:04.24 | plutonas | (it's some pictures from some common trip) |
| 02:04.32 | plutonas | but they won't be hurt to wait one more day... |
| 02:04.33 | DSlenentine | plutonas: grep $yourPath /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* |
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| 02:05.12 | plutonas | hm, DSlenentine returns nothing |
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| 02:05.22 | plutonas | probably not set up right? |
| 02:05.35 | cheako | UserDir |
| 02:05.41 | cheako | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/mod/mod_userdir.html |
| 02:05.55 | DSlenentine | plutonas: grep '/www' /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/* |
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| 02:06.21 | cheako | Might be public_html now. |
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| 02:07.03 | plutonas | hm, DSlenentine there come some /var/www now |
| 02:07.13 | plutonas | but not my username |
| 02:07.32 | DSlenentine | Yea...You need to setup a symlink to the file. |
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| 02:07.52 | plutonas | hm... for which i'd need root permissions i guess? |
| 02:07.55 | cheako | To change the server name VirtualHost may also have needed changing, but either did not get change or broke UserDir as a side effect. |
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| 02:08.13 | DSlenentine | ln -s /your/path/file.tar/gz /var/www/file.tar.gz |
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| 02:08.19 | DSlenentine | Give it a go. |
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| 02:08.34 | cheako | You might try forging host headers, in your http client. |
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| 02:09.12 | Star`x_x | I'm trying to add a second monitor but Debian isn't seeing it. any ideaS? |
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| 02:10.10 | plutonas | DSlenentine: permission denied |
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| 02:10.18 | DSlenentine | Meh. It was worth a shot. |
| 02:10.20 | plutonas | was a bit expected... |
| 02:10.32 | cheako | Star`x_x: You trying to use XRAndR? |
| 02:10.35 | plutonas | alright, never mind... thanks at least i know whats wrong now |
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| 02:11.51 | cheako | Star`x_x: If you plan on changing layouts often, then it might be worth switching over now. |
| 02:12.14 | cheako | Star`x_x: If not then you just need to add the second monitor into your serverlayout section. |
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| 02:12.33 | cheako | hStar`x_x: Else here you go ttp://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 |
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| 02:13.36 | Star`x_x | Cheako, i don't change it often... i'm trying to use grandr/ |
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| 02:16.47 | cheako | Star`x_x: If you truly want to use randr then you drop your ServerLayout and restart X. If you just want the second head to work, then you add this to your ServerLayout and restart X. |
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| 02:17.30 | cheako | Star`x_x: As long as you have a ServerLayout I'm not sure you can dynamically add and remove monitors ;) |
| 02:18.17 | Star`x_x | I'm so switching to another os.... |
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| 02:18.59 | cheako | Star`x_x: Ahh, then your the type where you just rm the xorg.conf ;) |
| 02:19.01 | rxXtx | Star`x_x: plenty of bench space in openbsd or windows |
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| 02:20.02 | rxXtx | Star`x_x: ever thought about dos or cp/m ? |
| 02:20.02 | markybob | i'm pretty sure #debian will close if Star`x_x leaves. i know my life will never be the same |
| 02:20.35 | Star`x_x | It's not that Debian is bad... |
| 02:20.45 | Star`x_x | It's just a little more work than i would like. |
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| 02:21.43 | rxXtx | roots through his retirement fund box for a sealed win95 book/cd/hologram |
| 02:21.59 | multi_io | is it possible to have 2 LVM volume groups with the same name in the system at the same time? |
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| 02:22.20 | cheako | Star`x_x: That much is true. I find other OS are more work then Debian and I also find that I spend less time with trial and error then I would with any other OS. |
| 02:22.45 | multi_io | (one on a SATA disk, the other on disks attached via USB) |
| 02:22.46 | Star`x_x | I've found that Ubuntu is less work tbh. |
| 02:23.03 | Star`x_x | Detects dual-screens... |
| 02:23.14 | Star`x_x | Has a nice GUI for it, too. |
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| 02:23.38 | Star`x_x | -almost- like Win7's window management. |
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| 02:24.09 | rxXtx | cheako: that's cause you are use to were things are - it wasn't that way when you started ... was it |
| 02:24.39 | cheako | Star`x_x: I use Debian because Ubuntu is based off of Debian and if Debian is good enough for Ubuntu then it's good enough for me. |
| 02:25.16 | Star`x_x | I thought that at first, cheako. |
| 02:25.16 | cheako | rxXtx: actually I chose Debian because things where just where I'd expect them to be and this was all well documented. |
| 02:25.20 | babilen_ | Star`x_x: Use Ubuntu if your are happier with it. |
| 02:25.51 | Star`x_x | I've been using Debian for a couple months since i do not believe in tasting and spitting. |
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| 02:26.37 | cheako | Star`x_x: Yes, if you like Ubuntu better then use it. I like using vi to fix the way things are, so a nice GUI is just wasted disk space for me. |
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| 02:27.43 | Pedro420 | is it possible without breaking the system to get glibc 2.8 on Lenny? |
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| 02:28.09 | Pedro420 | !info glibc lenny |
| 02:28.36 | Pedro420 | think its 2.7 in lenny |
| 02:28.54 | markybob | Pedro420, no, it's not possible |
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| 02:29.22 | Pedro420 | markybob: and you're certain you cannot install another version without breaking? |
| 02:29.29 | Star`x_x | I prefer nano over vi, cheako. ;p |
| 02:29.34 | markybob | Pedro420, yes |
| 02:29.45 | Pedro420 | I mean I could setup a chroot with squeeze I suppose |
| 02:29.55 | Pedro420 | run it with schroot |
| 02:29.56 | babilen_ | judd: versions libc6 |
| 02:29.56 | judd | babilen_: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.10.1-7 squeeze: 2.10.1-7 |
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| 02:30.10 | cheako | Star`x_x: Have you a good handle on some of the vi commands? |
| 02:30.12 | markybob | Pedro420, that's what you'll have to do. chroot is your only option |
| 02:30.13 | Pedro420 | hmm I don't know judd |
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| 02:30.40 | cheako | I used to use jed, but after leaning vi better I find I use it most often. |
| 02:30.47 | Star`x_x | Cheako, not really... but nano shows the commands at the bottom all the time so i don't need to remember that plus learning C or something. |
| 02:30.55 | Pedro420 | blah thats a pita.. this isn't my box or I'd just upgrade to squeeze, but these people may not be able to work around issues that could arise |
| 02:31.16 | Pedro420 | I just wanted to compare framerates on this app to my box which has nearly the same hardware |
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| 02:31.39 | Star`x_x | burns Ubuntu 9.10 to disk. |
| 02:31.52 | Pedro420 | only real difference is, they have an AMD 1ghz, and I have a P4 1.8 |
| 02:31.55 | Pedro420 | same gpu |
| 02:32.14 | Pedro420 | I'm thinking my poor frame rates were solely my internet connection |
| 02:32.20 | cheako | Star`x_x: Knowledge is power. In all honesty I don't think vi foo would be like nano on kung-foo, but it has some handy shortcuts. |
| 02:32.37 | Pedro420 | as sauerbrated running a local game had better frame rates than the internet based app I was testing |
| 02:33.00 | Pedro420 | significantly better 5-8fps to 14-40fps in sauerbraten |
| 02:33.23 | markybob | Pedro420, just run glxgears on each box. there's no need to fuck around with other libc and shit |
| 02:33.45 | babilen_ | Pedro420: And why do you think you need to install a new libc6 version? |
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| 02:34.19 | Pedro420 | markybob: do you find that thats an accurate benchmark? I usually see glxgears useless as it will produce thosands of frames per second as opposed to acutal apps that will only produce tens |
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| 02:34.33 | Pedro420 | though comparing one glxgears to another would probably be reasonable |
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| 02:34.54 | Pedro420 | babilen_: because of the message on the console that says it cant find glibc 2.8 |
| 02:34.55 | markybob | a lot more reasonable than what you're proposing |
| 02:35.05 | Pedro420 | babilen_: saying thats why it fails to start |
| 02:36.40 | Pedro420 | well as I recall installing an environment for running an app via schroot wasnt that difficult or time consuming |
| 02:36.51 | Pedro420 | I just dont remember the proceedure, I;d have to look it up |
| 02:37.14 | babilen_ | Pedro420: Which program is printing that message to the console? |
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| 02:37.46 | Pedro420 | babilen: its the emerald (greenlife) viewer app for virtual worlds |
| 02:38.03 | babilen | Pedro420: In which package? |
| 02:38.15 | Pedro420 | babilen: its not in debian, or obviously it would run.. heh |
| 02:38.25 | Pedro420 | babilen: after all this IS a debian stable box. |
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| 02:39.52 | babilen | Pedro420: q.e.d - look, the libc6 is one of the most important libraries on your system. You certainly don't want to fuck around with it. *IF* you are certain that running "emeral (greenlife) viewer app" is actually worth the trouble upgrade to squeeze |
| 02:40.13 | Pedro420 | I am just trying to determine if the geforce 5200fx is going to produce usable (15fps or better) framerates on this app.. I figured it would, but my squeeze box at home was only averaging about 5fps.. but I only had means to hook it up via windows ICS with a crossover, sharing wifi with the box at the moment.. which is likely the problem |
| 02:40.52 | Pedro420 | babilen: its worth it to me, but like I said this isn't my box (anymore) I gave it to them, and they arent really experienced enough to be dealing with issues that can arise in a testing distro |
| 02:41.22 | Pedro420 | and I know squeeze has bugs, I've only been on it one day so far and found two in the installer, and one afterward so far |
| 02:41.26 | Pedro420 | well two actually |
| 02:41.34 | Pedro420 | one in gnome, and one in the nvidia packages |
| 02:41.44 | Pedro420 | both of which they use |
| 02:42.05 | babilen | Pedro420: You usually don't install with the testing installer, but upgrade to testing after a stable install. |
| 02:42.41 | Pedro420 | babilen: yeah well the box I setup last night had etch on it and as I'm sure you know, etch->squeeze wont work due to changes in dpkg |
| 02:42.57 | Pedro420 | babilen: so I just wanted to go directly to squeeze and test the new installer |
| 02:43.07 | Pedro420 | I'm not a newbie.. just been out of the loop awhile |
| 02:43.22 | Pedro420 | I used to be among the top ten most active supporters in here |
| 02:43.28 | babilen | Pedro420: You also would not want to skip releases. You would upgrade to lenny first. The process is detailed in the release notes. |
| 02:44.02 | nvz | babilen: I'm highly familiar with the proceedure |
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| 02:44.28 | nvz | babilen: I figure while i needed squeeze for things I was doing, I'd get back into debugging and doing support as well.. testing D-I never hurts |
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| 02:45.02 | nvz | babilen: the graphical install is horribly broken right now, but the normal install is usable as of the other night when I used it. nothing a long time user cant work with |
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| 02:45.46 | babilen | nvz: I would still recommend using the stable installer or the iso's from kmuto |
| 02:45.56 | nvz | babilen: check my nick back in like circa 2003ish on debstats.. heh. |
| 02:46.21 | nvz | I'm just behind the times a little |
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| 02:46.38 | nvz | but I am very familiar with install, upgrade, and rescue proceedures |
| 02:47.03 | nvz | was surprised to see that debian has moved to their own shell as the default now.. |
| 02:47.09 | babilen | nvz: No problem. |
| 02:47.26 | nvz | havent had much time playing with dash yet to know if its what they claim it to be |
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| 02:47.46 | nvz | which is supposedly more solid and fast than bash or ash |
| 02:48.01 | babilen | nvz: I just pointed out some good practices that might spare a lot of headache. But this is moving OT |
| 02:48.19 | nvz | babilen: eh, we're still talking about debian ;) |
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| 02:49.06 | nvz | I may just bring my box over here tomorrow or something and just try it with their connection and that would suit my needs |
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| 02:49.36 | nvz | I was only trying to determine if a better connection to the internet would produce reasonable framerates, and this hardware is nearly identical to mine |
| 02:50.07 | centHOGG | <wireless g streamer |
| 02:50.10 | nvz | aside from the fact I was using windows ICS on a netbook with an atom cpu, my internet connection sucks in general at home |
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| 02:50.16 | ray66 | Upon booting to Lenny I am asked for userid and password this works I get a prompt when I try to use kdesu kdm I recieve the error cannot connect to x server |
| 02:50.59 | nvz | ray66: why the heck are you trying to run "kdesu kdm" ? |
| 02:51.15 | nvz | ray66: kdm is started via init.d script |
| 02:51.18 | ray66 | I am trying to get in lenny |
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| 02:51.36 | nvz | ray66: /etc/init.d/kdm start |
| 02:51.50 | nvz | ray66: what does that tell ya? |
| 02:52.03 | rxXtx | start -> status |
| 02:52.11 | nvz | ;) |
| 02:52.30 | ray66 | nvz...I am unable to start Lenny shall try your suggest and return |
| 02:52.51 | nvz | ray66: wait a sec |
| 02:53.03 | nvz | ray66: are you on another OS (dual boot) right now? |
| 02:53.20 | ray66 | nvz..yes on ubuntu |
| 02:53.23 | rumpsy | ray66, can you make sure that your x working properly |
| 02:53.39 | nvz | ray66: and you just did a standard desktop install of lenny? |
| 02:53.43 | centHOGG | anybody here hackintosh? |
| 02:54.04 | markybob | goddamn. is it the holidays or fucking #debian that's making me want to kill myself? fucking insanity |
| 02:54.17 | nvz | markybob: haha. |
| 02:54.19 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 02:54.23 | ray66 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:54.42 | nvz | ray66: ah, so you had kde working, but now its broken all of a sudden? |
| 02:54.49 | Tramp | which apt(itude) option tells aptitude to include/not include "Suggests" in upgrades? |
| 02:55.03 | ray66 | nvz thatt is correct |
| 02:55.16 | nvz | ray66: are you at least vaguely familiar with using the shell? |
| 02:55.18 | centHOGG | oh yeah don't kill yourself |
| 02:55.26 | ray66 | nvz.. yes |
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| 02:55.49 | nvz | ray66: I would recommend booting lenny, and installing irssi and screen so you can get back here from the debian shell and we can help you further |
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| 02:56.33 | ray66 | nvz...I cannot get into Lenny to do anything at the moment |
| 02:56.37 | nvz | ray66: apt-get install irssi screen as root, then login as your (non-root) user, and run "screen irssi" then type /server irc.freenode.net and /j #debian into irssi |
| 02:56.45 | nvz | ray66: you can't get to the text login? |
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| 02:57.08 | ray66 | I can get to a prompt |
| 02:57.17 | nvz | ray66: there is linux outside kde ya know ;) |
| 02:57.38 | nvz | ray66: I could teach ya to do everything from burning cds to watching movies with only text.. lol |
| 02:57.47 | ray66 | nvz don't understand |
| 02:57.54 | nvz | thinks . o O (aalib is great) |
| 02:58.07 | rxXtx | nvz you da king of ascii videos i understand |
| 02:58.10 | Spec | nvz: you mean libcaca, right? |
| 02:58.18 | Spec | nvz: come on mang, we got colours |
| 02:58.20 | nvz | ray66: well we can better help you with debian while you're running it |
| 02:58.34 | centHOGG | heh |
| 02:58.34 | nvz | ray66: and you CAN get on irc from the console |
| 02:58.47 | centHOGG | remember wordstar? wheres that linux |
| 02:59.02 | nvz | Spec: idk, did they rename it or something? |
| 02:59.12 | rxXtx | centHOGG: dosbox ? |
| 02:59.12 | Spec | nvz: nope |
| 02:59.22 | nvz | Spec: remember, I'm a bit out of the loop.. |
| 02:59.23 | Spec | nvz: there's aalib and libcaca, libcaca isn't as .... good, but it supports ANSI colours |
| 02:59.33 | centHOGG | rxXtx: one time I wanted to run like the old school from linux |
| 02:59.39 | centHOGG | all cmd |
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| 03:00.09 | centHOGG | the dos library is still fab imho |
| 03:00.13 | nvz | ray66: as long as you can login at the prompt and still have internet connectivity you can do what I am telling you |
| 03:00.34 | nvz | ray66: login as root, install irssi from your repo, and get back in here from lenny using irssi |
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| 03:00.52 | nvz | ray66: so we can help you debug this issue from the system having the issue |
| 03:01.06 | nvz | dont have to keep jumping back and forth |
| 03:01.50 | centHOGG | <dos box in garage for games |
| 03:01.57 | ray66 | nvz Ok will do Thanks |
| 03:02.06 | nvz | ray66: ctrl+alt+f1 or ctrl+alt+f2 should give you two different consoles when you boot lenny, login when it boots as root on the first, and as a normal user on the 2nd |
| 03:02.43 | nvz | ray66: apt-get install screen irssi on the root console, then switch to tty2, ctrl+alt+f2 and run screen irssi then connect to freenode /server irc.freenode.net and /j #debian |
| 03:02.50 | babilen | nvz: btw - did you really consider to update your libc6? |
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| 03:03.17 | nvz | babilen: na its not that important. I just thought other than a chroot there might be a way to install both |
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| 03:04.07 | nvz | babilen: I am gonna just try my box here or something another day. I'm just trying to gather if the geforce5200 and this app can in the right circumstances produce good enough frame rates to get work done |
| 03:04.46 | nvz | babilen: I'd just recently upgraded them to lenny from etch.. I'm not gonna upgrade em to squeeze when I know it has issues with packages they use and they can't deal with them on their own |
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| 03:05.43 | babilen | nvz: yes, sure. I hoe ray66 makes it back here. |
| 03:05.52 | nvz | yeah doesnt seem like he left yet |
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| 03:06.49 | nvz | babilen: he seems like a reasonably competent newbie and needs to learn how to irc from console if he's ever to learn |
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| 03:07.25 | nvz | babilen: its like that old song by Blue Oyster Cult, dont fear the reaper.. heh.. don't fear the console.. |
| 03:08.03 | gurugeek | I have a GeForce 8600 GT and i can't make it work with my debian lenny on amd64. The X won't start, but it works fine when using vesa. |
| 03:08.15 | nvz | babilen: two things that drive me nuts doing support in here are newbies who dualboot and cant get support from within debian so we can actually help, and those that think just because KDE doesnt work, debian doesnt work... the console is more powerful than their damn desktop.. heh |
| 03:08.50 | babilen | nvz: i agree |
| 03:08.55 | nvz | gurugeek: from my expierence the nvidia packages in debian are rarely ever in usable condition, but the nvidia binaries always work |
| 03:09.14 | nvz | gurugeek: only problem is having to re-run it everytime you upgrade the kernel or something |
| 03:10.03 | nvz | gurugeek: I just installed squeeze last night and come to find the nvidia packages depend on 2.6.26 which isnt available, as squeeze only has 2.6.30.. heh |
| 03:10.22 | nvz | gurugeek: needless to say I went to nvidia.com got the installer, ran it, and it works fine |
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| 03:11.11 | nvz | I can imagine working with nvidia's lisc and software is a challenge for any DD, but DAMN!.. heh the nvidia package maintainers sure don't keep up to speed with the kernel and xorg maintainers |
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| 03:11.58 | nvz | I want to have faith in, and be a supporter of nvidia integration into debian, but it has never worked for me, and I've been on debian for like 10 years now |
| 03:12.00 | centHOGG | welcome to opensauce |
| 03:12.41 | nvz | the nvidia binary however works every time with the slight downside of tainting the package system and having to remember to keep kernel headers installed, and run the installer again everytime you upgrade X or a kernel |
| 03:13.16 | nvz | so I don't even bother recommending people use the debian packages because its more of a headache to try support, as it rarely if ever works |
| 03:13.27 | centHOGG | jammer |
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| 03:14.15 | tensorpudding | of the short list of proprietary software i use, nvidia's driver is the one I would be most reluctant to give up |
| 03:14.22 | nvz | what I can't gather is what that newbie did to his lenny install to suddenly make his KDE stop working |
| 03:14.31 | nvz | which is why I recommended he try irc from lenny |
| 03:14.41 | babilen | !tell gurugeek -about nvidia |
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| 03:15.23 | ootput | centHOGG: your input to this channel since 3 hours ago has been next to none. What are you up to? |
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| 03:15.33 | nvz | tensorpudding: yeah, I'm a die-hard FOSS and debian user.. I can't stand to taint my wonderful debian system, but even I just use nvidia's binary |
| 03:15.49 | centHOGG | bot? |
| 03:15.51 | tensorpudding | hmm, vrms lists 11 non-free packages, that's more than i thought |
| 03:15.54 | nvz | tensorpudding: its just way easier and feels like it always works |
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| 03:16.38 | nvz | I've tried debian's nvidia method many times with different releases over the years and never once got it to work the way its suppose to |
| 03:16.44 | ootput | centHOGG: bored? |
| 03:16.51 | nvz | and I've never once not been able to get nvidia's binary to work |
| 03:17.03 | centHOGG | nah... I can't get handbrake to be perfeeeect |
| 03:17.15 | centHOGG | <handbrake dark gamma |
| 03:17.22 | centHOGG | :( |
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| 03:17.48 | nvz | and I feel hands down nvidia makes the best as far as performance, supported by apps, and ease of setup is concerned when it comes to graphics cards |
| 03:17.55 | xcat | does anybody know what package auto-detects the optimal resolution? |
| 03:18.02 | centHOGG | <nvidia |
| 03:18.15 | nvz | ati is better than intel in performance but intel is easier to get working in my experience |
| 03:18.31 | nvz | but anything other than those 3 seems like its not worth messing with for accell graphics |
| 03:18.41 | ootput | xcat: for ati, aticonfig --initial takes care of that |
| 03:18.47 | centHOGG | what's your card? |
| 03:18.47 | babilen | nvz: The radeon{hd} drivers work great. |
| 03:19.01 | xcat | ootput: do you know about vesa? |
| 03:19.10 | gurugeek | nvz: thanks, i have the driver from nvidia site, still doesn't work. |
| 03:19.11 | nvz | I've mostly had the 5200FX over the years.. as I generally work with 2nd hand hardware and don't spend money on it |
| 03:19.19 | centHOGG | yikes :P |
| 03:19.27 | nvz | gurugeek: hah.. gonna need to be more specific than that |
| 03:19.44 | tensorpudding | 5200fx, that's pretty hardcore |
| 03:19.44 | centHOGG | geexbox with a 6200, AMD64 with IGP in the garage |
| 03:19.46 | nvz | gurugeek: you need kernel headers installed, need to stop X, and need to run the driver installer first.. for one thing |
| 03:19.47 | gurugeek | nvz: will it work if i recompiled my kernel? error says that it failed to load the nvidia modules |
| 03:19.56 | nvz | tensorpudding: your sarcasm is showing.. |
| 03:19.59 | tensorpudding | i have a 6600gt and it's still kicking buts |
| 03:20.05 | centHOGG | good card |
| 03:20.18 | babilen | !tell gurugeek -about nvidia |
| 03:20.27 | babilen | gurugeek: Which Debian release are you running? |
| 03:20.33 | centHOGG | nvidia looks great for movies imho |
| 03:20.39 | ootput | xcat: not off hand |
| 03:20.44 | nvz | gurugeek: are you sure you had the correct kernel headers installed for your running kernel for it to build the driver? |
| 03:20.46 | ootput | xcat: do you have the monitor specs? |
| 03:20.47 | gurugeek | babilen: lenny 5.03 |
| 03:21.09 | ootput | xcat: if so, populate xorg.conf with HorizSync and VertRefresh values |
| 03:21.15 | nvz | the 5200fx seems pretty easy to come by |
| 03:21.26 | centHOGG | hell yeah.. its about 6 gen back |
| 03:21.33 | ootput | xcat: There's also some online engines to generate ModeLine per spec |
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| 03:22.06 | ootput | xcat: though I'd go through Xorg logs first to see which resolutions were attempted |
| 03:22.13 | nvz | both this system I found in the garbage, that I gave to my friends here has a 5200fx in it, and the box I just built for myself I got a 5200fx off a guy with an old machine whose mobo died and I ordered him a new P4 mobo with video and sound onboard.. |
| 03:22.20 | xcat | output: i searched for vesa and i found package called xresprobe that i think might do it |
| 03:22.43 | nvz | actually got him a hell of a deal, got a P4 board with everything on it, a p4 1.8ghz cpu, and 512mb ram all for like $70 with tax and shipping |
| 03:23.02 | centHOGG | $$$ |
| 03:23.02 | nvz | he didn't need the chips, just the board, but for the price couldnt beat the package deal |
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| 03:23.36 | nvz | my diagnosis was a bad voltage regulator on the board.. didn't have an ESR meter to confirm bad caps, but seen it so many times, didn't really need to |
| 03:23.55 | centHOGG | bad caps are easy... look at the tops |
| 03:24.03 | nvz | na, you can't always tell by looking |
| 03:24.04 | centHOGG | don't bother replacing |
| 03:24.14 | nvz | they can operate well below spec without looking bad |
| 03:24.17 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 03:24.19 | babilen | centHOGG: Please stop - ok? |
| 03:24.23 | nvz | you need an ESR meter that can test in circuit |
| 03:24.30 | centHOGG | who are you troll |
| 03:25.02 | nvz | and I've tried once to replace the caps, it didn't work.. replaced ten or so on the cpu regulator, and more were bad.. |
| 03:25.03 | centHOGG | ever replaced caps |
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| 03:25.06 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 03:25.12 | centHOGG | not worth it really |
| 03:25.21 | nvz | figured how cheap caps were it might be worth it in some cases |
| 03:25.50 | centHOGG | nvz: yeah I talked with a manu guy once about replacing caps and he said don't bother at all |
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| 03:26.22 | nvz | like for example an old out of production HP a board can't be bought from the mfg, and a 3rd party reseller may charge $200+ when a normal board of same type would run maybe $40, but the PS are proprietarily wired atx connectors that would fry it, and you can't swap PS cause cause won't accomodate a normal ps.. etc |
| 03:26.51 | nvz | in that case paying a few dollars $5 or so, for caps might be better than $250 for a board or buying a new case/ps and an board |
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| 03:27.16 | centHOGG | yeah.. he said that there is still a market for those older boards because of the equip |
| 03:27.18 | centHOGG | old equit |
| 03:27.22 | centHOGG | equip |
| 03:27.27 | nvz | but in my experience if the boards caps start going, its beyond reasonable repair as it probably has too many problems to fix within a reasonable timeframe |
| 03:27.48 | centHOGG | nvz: well like you i dink around with throwaways and such |
| 03:27.53 | centHOGG | :P |
| 03:28.02 | nvz | in theory its cheap to get the parts and you could make some dough selling a refurb board back to someone in those scenarios |
| 03:28.09 | nvz | but in practice it never works out that way |
| 03:28.23 | centHOGG | nvz: yeah I would have a bad feeling about doin that |
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| 03:29.52 | nvz | its like when I seen people selling boxes of 50 ddr ram chips for like $1 or something on ebay that all failed a standard ram test.. you have like 4-8 chips on each on, the failed QC just means maybe one bank is bad, so 4x50 = 200 chips, if you can save even 1/4th of them and resolder them to boards and make working ones and sell em for $20-$50 each, you could turn a nice profit doing old-fashioned electronics work.. |
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| 03:30.04 | nvz | but something tells me thats not going to work out how you think it would |
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| 03:30.42 | centHOGG | nvz: true. they design the market for newer stuff, change connectors every other year |
| 03:30.57 | nvz | centHOGG: well my background is in fundamental electronics, as growing up my dad had owned many TV/VCR repair businesses.. so I'm no stranger to that kind of stuff |
| 03:31.06 | centHOGG | ha |
| 03:31.09 | centHOGG | :) |
| 03:31.12 | nvz | centHOGG: I am very unconventional in my computer business |
| 03:31.21 | centHOGG | <tons of VHS tapes |
| 03:31.23 | nvz | centHOGG: I WILL do things that other techs wont.. |
| 03:31.24 | centHOGG | what to do |
| 03:31.41 | nvz | ugh, that had to have been a netsplit |
| 03:31.52 | nvz | I'm on pidgin right now so it didn't say like irssi would hav |
| 03:31.54 | centHOGG | yeah thats the first time i've seen that |
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| 03:32.07 | nvz | centHOGG: not been around here long then I take it? |
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| 03:32.12 | ge0rge007 | hello! I have just installed debians sueeze to my desktop.The problem is that when i am going to "Edit->Preferences" at nautilus the desktop icons dissapears and also the nautilus window close.Have anyone an idea? |
| 03:32.17 | centHOGG | well it happend earlier |
| 03:32.20 | gurugeek | nvz: it worked! i downloaded first the drivers, then restarted lenny, then run the installer from nvidia! :) wow thanks |
| 03:32.25 | gurugeek | babilen: thanks |
| 03:32.41 | nvz | centHOGG: people are comin in now for support, should be talking about random b.s. in #debian-offtopic |
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| 03:32.53 | centHOGG | kewl |
| 03:33.04 | rxXtx | nvz you are funny dude |
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| 03:34.33 | slope | ge0rge007: it's a bug. squeeze *is* testing after all. |
| 03:35.33 | ge0rge007 | yeah i know its testing but its really SO unstable? |
| 03:35.43 | ge0rge007 | i mean thats a serious problem |
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| 03:37.23 | ray66 | nvz...I tried to install irssi from tty1 and tty2 and get error cannot connect to xserver |
| 03:37.23 | slope | ge0rge007: Applications -> System tools -> File browser, right click it and add to panel, now use that link. That's how I avoid using Nautilus that opens new windows for every folder you open :) Either that or hold shift as you open a folder. But maybe that wasn't what you wanted to change in preferences. |
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| 03:38.12 | slope | ge0rge007: and yes, don't use testing unless you're prepared to deal with bugs. |
| 03:39.04 | EagleRock | ray66: what did you try to install it with...aptitude? |
| 03:40.06 | ray66 | EagleRock, I tried with apt-get and also with aptitude |
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| 03:40.56 | ge0rge007 | slope:thank you very much!:) I know that has bugs but the software of lenny is really outdated |
| 03:41.24 | ge0rge007 | so i think i will try squeeze for some time and if i don't like it i will downgrade to lenny |
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| 03:41.54 | EagleRock | ray66: it's stating that you need to connect to xserver? that seems wierd. Can you pastebot the output? |
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| 03:42.23 | EagleRock | ge0rge007: if your concern is only the outdated software, backports might be a better solution for you, as it is far less buggy than running testing |
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| 03:42.43 | ge0rge007 | last questions slope,have you reported that bug or i have to do it? |
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| 03:43.02 | ray66 | EagleRock, no I cannot get to any thing in lenny I do have an error message if that will help you |
| 03:43.08 | ge0rge007 | yes i know about backports i use it with my lenny machine (laptop) |
| 03:43.10 | slope | ge0rge007: someone else reported it, it was the first bug I encountered as well :) |
| 03:43.29 | ge0rge007 | me too! |
| 03:43.32 | EagleRock | ray66: yeah, the full error message |
| 03:43.33 | slope | ge0rge007: and of course there's always apt-pinning |
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| 03:44.33 | ge0rge007 | oohh....i didn't now that |
| 03:44.43 | ge0rge007 | i will give it a try |
| 03:44.49 | ge0rge007 | thanks again slope! |
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| 03:45.50 | ray66 | EagleRock, Failed to load module type 1 module does not exist,0...failed to load module nvida module does not exist,0...nodrivers available..fatal server error: noscreen found |
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| 03:48.08 | EagleRock | ray66: and you're trying to install irssi? |
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| 03:48.44 | rxXtx | #irssi is kinda empty looking for someone to help |
| 03:49.07 | ray66 | EagleRock, I am trying to get into Lenny cannot get past the logon |
| 03:49.33 | EagleRock | ray66: ohhh sorry I got the errors mixed up :-) |
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| 03:49.58 | EagleRock | ray66: anyway, taht sounds like you updated your kernel, but not your nvidia driver |
| 03:50.09 | ray66 | EagleRock, nvz was trying to get me in irssi so he could help me |
| 03:50.29 | EagleRock | oh I get it |
| 03:51.14 | ray66 | EagleRock, The kernel had one update since June 2009 when I install and I have not had any problem until today |
| 03:51.24 | EagleRock | strange |
| 03:51.30 | EagleRock | well, let's try to get you into irssi |
| 03:51.32 | nvz | ray66: no luck then eh? |
| 03:52.09 | EagleRock | can you log on through one of the command line tty's and run it? |
| 03:52.11 | ray66 | nvz..Still the same error about the xserver what ever I try |
| 03:52.26 | nvz | ray66: but you couldnt manage to login and install irssi? |
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| 03:53.06 | ray66 | nvz..It again showed cannot connect to x server |
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| 03:53.37 | nvz | ray66: the display manager will show those messages when it fails to start.. the blue screen messages I reckon |
| 03:53.50 | nvz | ray66: but should then drop into a text login screen |
| 03:54.13 | corpcomp | On a multi processor server is there a way of checking just how many of the porcessors are/can be accessed by the OS. This would be on a lenny 503 server. I am just wanting to make sure I am potentially getting/able to get full bang for my buck. |
| 03:54.39 | EagleRock | ray66: you can also hit Control + alt + f2 to switch to tty2 just to make sure you're not on any tty's related to X |
| 03:54.46 | nvz | ray66: logging in on console and running irssi has nothing to do with X |
| 03:55.01 | ray66 | nvz, Yes that is what happens but whatever I type after log in to tty1 or tty2 return the same error |
| 03:55.07 | rxXtx | corpcomp: theree must be 'lower' level more accurate measures but gkrellm has a very nice display of activity |
| 03:55.37 | centHOGG | server |
| 03:55.44 | nvz | ray66: it should not be throwing errors about X when running an app that doesnt need an X socket to begin with |
| 03:56.06 | nvz | ray66: if you type apt-get install screen irssi, you should not get an error about X |
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| 03:56.09 | ootput | corpcomp: something like htop will show multi-cpu usage |
| 03:56.11 | nvz | it should fetch the package |
| 03:56.18 | EagleRock | ray66: can you type the exact command you're running to install irssi? |
| 03:56.43 | nvz | I'm thinking you may be mistaking console messages for errors associated to your commands |
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| 03:57.14 | ray66 | EagleRock, Kdesu apt-get install irssi |
| 03:57.48 | lhx_ | irssi rox |
| 03:57.49 | ootput | corpcomp: sysstat package also provides mpstat (mpstat -P ALL) |
| 03:57.49 | nvz | ray66: wtf do you keep typing kdesu before everything? |
| 03:57.55 | corpcomp | ootput: I am guessing applications like that require a GU or do they also operate from a term console? |
| 03:57.59 | nvz | ray66: kdesu has nothing to do with anything |
| 03:58.03 | ootput | corpcomp: term |
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| 03:58.05 | corpcomp | GUI |
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| 03:58.25 | nvz | ray66: are you not understanding that to login as root, you type "root" where it says "login"? |
| 03:58.43 | nvz | ray66: kdesu is for running X apps, the commands I am giving you are NOT X apps! |
| 03:58.45 | ray66 | nvz, Because if I do not I get a bash error or an unknown erro or a permission error |
| 03:58.54 | nvz | ray66: right, cause you're not root |
| 03:59.08 | nvz | ray66: to become root in a console, you simply use "su" not kdesu |
| 03:59.19 | nvz | ray66: or you login as "root" in the first place |
| 03:59.42 | nvz | ray66: on the console the prompt will end in # if you a root, and $ if you are a non-root user. |
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| 04:00.06 | ray66 | nvz.su does not give me any better results I still get cannot connet to xserver |
| 04:00.08 | ootput | corpcomp: the only use I have for the mouse nowadays is to point it to a terminal emulator, if I'm not using a keybind to do it already ;P |
| 04:00.09 | nvz | ray66: the reason for the xserver errors are that you are using kdesu which isnt the right way to go |
| 04:00.41 | nvz | ray66: you are using ubuntu now on the same machine, no? |
| 04:01.06 | nvz | ray66: are both OSes installed to the hard drive? if so same hd or different ones? |
| 04:01.10 | ray66 | nvz, As stated I tried su with out any improvement |
| 04:01.32 | WormFood | I want to say I remember some download tool like wget that will open multiple connections to the server (to download faster in some cases)...but I'm not sure...anyone know what I'm looking for? |
| 04:01.49 | corpcomp | ootput: TY, that showed what I was suspecting. All work is being done by a single processor and not shared equally among them. Now to find out why. |
| 04:01.55 | EagleRock | ray66: su definitely does not require x-windows, make sure you are just typing "su -" to get rooted (without quotes) |
| 04:01.59 | ray66 | nvz, the two linux on the same harddrive no problems with ubuntu as you can see. |
| 04:02.08 | nvz | ray66: you're either misunderstanding what you see, or you're full of shit and trolling us.. keep in mind, we're vereran users who 1) have used these apps extensivly, and 2) seen the source code.. we know what they can and cannot do.. and what you are saying is not possible |
| 04:02.13 | ootput | corpcomp: smp kernel? |
| 04:02.25 | nvz | ray66: ok, so they are on seperate partitions then.. |
| 04:03.07 | nvz | ray66: are you on gnome then in ubuntu right now? |
| 04:03.25 | corpcomp | ootput: Linux mail0 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 06:06:52 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 04:03.53 | nvz | ray66: where I am leading you here is how to login to the debian partition from within ubuntu |
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| 04:04.04 | nvz | ray66: but first we gotta know where you're at and what you're working with |
| 04:04.30 | ray66 | nvz, I do not appreciate the adverse comments I am not a troll and I only transfer info as recorded on the screen...These are on the same hd on seperate partition of 40gb and yes I am currently using gnome |
| 04:05.01 | rxXtx | wonders if nvz -has- really seen the source |
| 04:05.07 | craigevil | WormFood: axel might be what your looking for, or aria2 |
| 04:05.32 | nvz | rxXtx: to some things anyhow |
| 04:05.52 | rxXtx | ;) |
| 04:06.21 | nvz | ray66: I'm just trying to understand the problem. Its highly possible you just dont understand what you are seeing or dont fully understand what I am asking you to do.. thats why we need you both accessing debian and in here at the same time |
| 04:06.41 | ootput | corpcomp: which apps are you running? |
| 04:06.45 | nvz | ray66: do you know the partition names i.e. hda1, hda2 of your debian and ubuntu partitions? |
| 04:06.50 | ootput | not all are SMP-able |
| 04:07.39 | ray66 | Linux is on hdb2 |
| 04:08.22 | nvz | ray66: it is not even remotely possible that these apps compiled with no xlibs are throwing x errors.. I'm not doubting you're seeing them, just that they are related.. you are either typing something wrong, or seeing console messages that appear to be errors related to the commands you type that are in fact not related but appearing on the same screen |
| 04:08.36 | corpcomp | ootput: looks like my bad, in htop you can select F9 for a nice output, this freezes the display untill you leave the nice view. |
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| 04:08.44 | markybob | ubuntu and debian are on the same partition? is that what you're trying to say? |
| 04:08.45 | nvz | ray66: which linux is on hdb2, the ubuntu or debian? |
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| 04:08.51 | ootput | corpcomp: also, regarding previous question, you can also use good ol' 'top'. hit 1 to show other cpus |
| 04:08.57 | markybob | or are you just trolling? |
| 04:09.14 | ray66 | nvz, give me a minute to open gparted and I will give you exact partitions |
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| 04:09.31 | ootput | corpcomp: F9 is for kill dialog |
| 04:09.35 | ootput | F8 for nice |
| 04:09.39 | nvz | ray66: ok, what we need to do is mount the debian partition and chroot to it |
| 04:10.09 | nvz | ray66: I will guide you through this once you know the partition name |
| 04:10.48 | massmc | hi, I have a really cute user.. what's the command for downloading her into my lap |
| 04:11.05 | hoo-hah | hello, is there a tool to show all cron scheduled to run on system (not per-user basis) |
| 04:11.07 | nvz | massmc: lol, you have anything serious to discuss? |
| 04:11.12 | cheako | How are pkgs in backports chosen? opencv in lenny is useless for example. |
| 04:11.32 | nvz | cheako: are you asking how to install a backport? |
| 04:11.39 | ootput | popcon, I'd hazard |
| 04:11.50 | massmc | heh, not for the moment thanks nvz. hello btw |
| 04:12.06 | cheako | nvz: No, I'd like to know why a package is not in backports? |
| 04:12.23 | ootput | cheako: popularity |
| 04:12.32 | nvz | massmc: the occational humor lightens us all a bit, but most people in here are trying to be serious and solve problems.. just checking to see if you're trolling us, thats all |
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| 04:13.01 | nvz | cheako: oh.. well that I'm not too sure of.. |
| 04:13.23 | nvz | cheako: interest and effort are what make things like backports possible |
| 04:13.28 | cheako | I'm able to rebuild the pkg I want. |
| 04:13.38 | nvz | cheako: these are times where the little people like you and I have to give back to the community |
| 04:13.54 | nvz | cheako: when we find a problem that hasn't been addressed |
| 04:14.04 | centHOGG | brb |
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| 04:14.56 | nvz | cheako: I love to whine about the stuff as much as anyone, but it never helps. :-P |
| 04:15.09 | cheako | nvz: Yes, 518916 perhaps there should be a "I request a backport" flag in the BTS. |
| 04:15.35 | nvz | cheako: yeah but even if there were, it would be unlikely to draw attention or get dealt with |
| 04:15.39 | cheako | I'm asking because I'd like to help. |
| 04:15.57 | nvz | cheako: debian developers are still streched thin on the process of ironing out stable distros as it is |
| 04:16.21 | icebrain | cheako: http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=contribute |
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| 04:16.33 | nvz | debian grows exponentially with each release and the number of packages to DDs is always a strech |
| 04:16.56 | ray66 | nvz,/dev/sdb1 ext3 37.26 3.80 used Ubuntu../dev/sdb2 ext 3 -37.27 o used.../dev/sdb6 ext 3 34.39 3.65 used.../dev/sdb5 swap debian |
| 04:17.20 | icebrain | cheako: since you're not a debian developer, you must ask for mentors help |
| 04:17.26 | nvz | ray66: so which one is debian then? |
| 04:17.44 | icebrain | !tell cheako about mentors |
| 04:17.55 | ray66 | /dev/sdb6 |
| 04:17.57 | nvz | ray66: can you manage getting a terminal window open as root? |
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| 04:18.35 | ray66 | nvz, In which os |
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| 04:19.18 | nvz | ray66: right there in ubuntu |
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| 04:19.59 | ray66 | nvz..Yes I can open console |
| 04:20.16 | nvz | ray66: ok, just make sure the prompt is # indicating you are root |
| 04:20.36 | nvz | ray66: mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb6 /mnt |
| 04:20.42 | cheako | icebrain: I would love to become a DD and I've read over most of the relevant documentation, I guess I should be reading wnpp or whatever it is called. |
| 04:20.44 | nvz | ray66: that will mount the debian partition |
| 04:21.02 | rxXtx | nvz - what if you change PS1? |
| 04:21.18 | nvz | rxXtx: don't know what you are talking about |
| 04:21.23 | nvz | oh |
| 04:21.26 | nvz | smart ass |
| 04:22.27 | cheako | I do have one question. Lately with Lenny there have been a number of pkgs that I believe should not have been allowed to be part of a stable distribution. What if anything happens to these pkgs? |
| 04:23.00 | nvz | cheako: nothing, once something is stable in debian the only thing you can to is move to testing and make sure the issues are resolve for the next release |
| 04:23.05 | cheako | This is uncharacteristic of Debian, however I have noted pkgs being dropped from Debian stable while I was using them. |
| 04:23.12 | rxXtx | thinks it is good thing cheako has no power ovrer what is in stablee |
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| 04:23.23 | nvz | cheako: this is why its paramount to be helping out with the testing/unstable branches |
| 04:23.51 | icebrain | cheako: dropped from stable? |
| 04:23.51 | wooby | i'm trying to get debian on a gateway handbook 486, anyone know if it's at all possible to compile a 2.6 kernel for it? |
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| 04:24.09 | nvz | cheako: over the years I have seen many bugs go into stable that could have been addressed.. anything non-security related that can be patched and uploaded to security.d.o won't be addressed |
| 04:24.14 | wooby | in menuconfig i've set it to 386 and still get 'cpu too old for this kernel,' do i have other options? thanks in advance |
| 04:24.34 | rxXtx | wooby maybe start with dsl |
| 04:24.41 | cheako | icebrain: blackhole(an email scanner written in C), doomwad files shareware. |
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| 04:25.04 | nvz | ray66: whats up, you still there? :P |
| 04:25.12 | cheako | icebrain: One day they just popped up to the top marked as unavailable. |
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| 04:25.42 | icebrain | cheako: well, doomwad is non-free, so it's not really as supported as software in main, IINM |
| 04:26.05 | ray66 | nvz,yes I am still here trying to get console to root |
| 04:26.19 | nvz | ray66: do you have it open, and it shows $? |
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| 04:26.43 | rxXtx | ray66: what happens when you type su |
| 04:26.47 | centHOGG | ray66: dude how long have you been at linux? |
| 04:27.07 | nvz | ray66: in ubuntu sudo su, normally goes to root without password, but su alone should prompt you for the root pw |
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| 04:27.52 | ray66 | nvz, it comes back $ |
| 04:28.04 | nvz | centHOGG: considering his box dualboots two linux oses and he has not mentioned a commercial OS, he seems to have been at it a little while anyhow |
| 04:28.17 | centHOGG | godbless |
| 04:28.21 | nvz | ray66: when you type what? |
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| 04:29.01 | nvz | ray66: do you have in your applications menu under accessories, a terminal icon that is red (not black) that goes directly to root(superuser)? |
| 04:29.10 | rxXtx | he's been using linux 35 minutes max |
| 04:29.38 | nvz | rxXtx: hah, would have taken him longer than that to install one of those OSs |
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| 04:30.11 | nvz | he's been using it at least a week based on circumstance alone, suggesting he had debian working and broke it, and what he's told us, he's been using it over a month |
| 04:31.23 | ray66 | nvz, I have a super terminal in Debian but not in Ubuntu...When I type sudo it returns usage prompt and when I type su it open a box to enter a program |
| 04:32.05 | nvz | ray66: typical usage in ubuntu is "sudo su" |
| 04:32.20 | nvz | ray66: ubuntu typically gives you sudo rights to run su without a password |
| 04:32.35 | nvz | ray66: have to type both on the same line just as I showed yo |
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| 04:33.12 | ray66 | nvz That gaive me /home ray66# |
| 04:33.19 | nvz | ray66: good, you're root now |
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| 04:33.31 | nvz | ray66: mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb6 /mnt |
| 04:33.50 | nvz | should return to the prompt without error |
| 04:34.26 | KDE4000 | Are there any good etch repositorys for python2.5? |
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| 04:34.35 | KDE4000 | Like, extra modules and so on |
| 04:34.43 | ray66 | nvz, got the return prompt without error |
| 04:34.59 | markybob | KDE4000, DUDE, pay attention. stop repeating yourself. ask a millions times, the answer will always be the same |
| 04:35.06 | nvz | ray66: now type chroot /mnt, this will turn that terminal into a debian terminal |
| 04:35.08 | markybob | KDE4000, jesus, man. wake up or go away |
| 04:35.10 | KDE4000 | i asked a few hours ago |
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| 04:35.20 | nvz | ray66: this gives you root access to debian from ubuntu |
| 04:35.21 | markybob | KDE4000, ASK A MILLION TIMES. it wont change |
| 04:35.34 | KDE4000 | nobody replied except to upgrade to lenny, which is not a option |
| 04:35.44 | nvz | ray66: the prompt should change to reflect that |
| 04:36.09 | markybob | KDE4000, you've been told that there isn't a way. that *is* the answer. no matter how many times you ask, or how many people you ask, it's not changing. why cant you understand that? |
| 04:36.25 | KDE4000 | So, no backports or anything? |
| 04:36.30 | centHOGG | :P |
| 04:36.33 | KDE4000 | thats what i was asking, if that was clear |
| 04:36.35 | markybob | KDE4000, backports dont exist for oldstable, only stable |
| 04:36.40 | KDE4000 | oh, ok |
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| 04:37.05 | nvz | ray66: i'd still like to get you actually booted into debian and on IRC to resolve your issue, but it is fairly possible to access logs and fix the problem from here |
| 04:37.13 | cheako | ln -s ffmpeg/libavformat /usr/include/libavformat |
| 04:37.13 | cheako | ln -s ffmpeg/libswscale /usr/include/libswscale |
| 04:37.19 | ray66 | nvz, ray66-desktop:/# |
| 04:37.51 | nvz | ray66: right, now you can access your X log from the debian partition |
| 04:38.03 | nvz | ray66: do you know how to work a pastebin? |
| 04:38.46 | ray66 | nvz on pastebin ...How to I get xlog |
| 04:39.19 | nvz | ray66: can use cat or less to display the file, the file name is /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:39.37 | hoo-hah | is there somewhere I can read about for roadmap for a realease? eg. Squeeze? I'd like to get an idea of what's involved aand for how long in getting Squeeze to stable status |
| 04:39.37 | nvz | ray66: erm |
| 04:39.46 | nvz | ray66: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 04:39.47 | nvz | sorry |
| 04:39.55 | nvz | must be high or something |
| 04:39.59 | nvz | haha |
| 04:40.10 | centHOGG | :) |
| 04:40.16 | nvz | ray66: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log will display it |
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| 04:40.30 | nvz | ray66: should be able to scroll and highlight within that terminal to copy it |
| 04:40.55 | nvz | actually I wouldnt mind being high right now, but I'm feeling alright for a change |
| 04:41.07 | nvz | despite the fact I ate some pizza earlier and blacked out for a few hours |
| 04:41.14 | nvz | felt kinda shitty when I came to |
| 04:41.38 | nvz | need to see a doctor, passing out when you eat is not a good sign.. |
| 04:41.58 | nvz | but thats got nothing to do with debian :-P |
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| 04:44.14 | cheako | how do I get a source pkg uploaded two DELAYED/7 on Sat, 14 Nov? opencv=1.0.0-6.3 |
| 04:44.32 | ray66 | nvz, http://pastebin.com/m1d409645 |
| 04:45.07 | cheako | ohh, wait 1 more day? |
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| 04:45.38 | cheako | Late Sat, so perhaps 2 more days. Is there some way I can pull it out? |
| 04:45.41 | nvz | ray66: excellent.. you've done well. :-P |
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| 04:48.06 | nvz | ray66: seems what happened, is your nvidia drivers broke |
| 04:48.33 | nvz | ray66: I'm assuming from that, you've installed the nvidia binary from their website, and then upgraded your kernel... sound about right? |
| 04:49.05 | ray66 | centHogg.. To answer you question long enough to get in and of trouble normally. |
| 04:49.32 | cheako | I got it, there was a diff. |
| 04:49.36 | centHOGG | ray66: dude you owe nvz!!! |
| 04:50.05 | cheako | is there a dh that would fix the perms on debian/rules... and more importantly the other files? |
| 04:50.34 | ray66 | nvz...Never download anything from nvidia still running original nvidia drivers did upgrade kernel on last available upgrade but did not have any problems afterward |
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| 04:51.13 | d_b | hoo-hah: freeze in december, then released when it's done |
| 04:51.13 | ray66 | centHOGG, I agree with owingg nvz |
| 04:51.26 | nvz | ray66: so you can't think of anything you may have done that could have directly caused this? |
| 04:51.46 | EagleRock | nvz: you think ray66 might be best off switching to the nv drivers for now, then reinstalling the nvidia drivers using m-a or however |
| 04:51.55 | d_b | though, since this is the first freeze after debian adopted time-based releases I guess it could be delayed |
| 04:52.00 | nvz | EagleRock: I was just about to say that.. heh |
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| 04:52.37 | nvz | ray66: as Eagle suggested, and I was typing as he did.. we should just change your X config to use a driver we know will work and get you booted into debian where you are able to get back on here |
| 04:52.49 | craigevil | d_b: last mailing list about freeze I read said March 2010 for freeze |
| 04:53.02 | nvz | ray66: in most cases the non-accell "nv" driver works for nvidia cards, in rare cases you have to use "vesa" |
| 04:53.22 | nvz | ray66: but either way chosing another driver will get your KDE to load so you have some feeling of knowing what the fuck you are doing |
| 04:53.34 | d_b | craigevil: I missed that one. Was that in debian-announce? |
| 04:53.41 | nvz | ray66: we can modify your debian x config from this chroot terminal we have open |
| 04:53.52 | nvz | ray66: then when you reboot it should be working |
| 04:54.14 | nvz | ray66: without 3d accel but, with graphics the way you're used to |
| 04:54.15 | craigevil | d_b: probably i usually delete the mailing-list emails as soon as i read them, you can probably search for it though |
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| 04:55.00 | d_b | craigevil: ah, debian-devel-announce http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html |
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| 04:57.55 | ray66 | nvz..That would be okay just want back into system |
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| 04:58.20 | nvz | ray66: yeah well then type nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 04:58.25 | nvz | ray66: and lets edit that config |
| 04:58.37 | nvz | ray66: well do you know which nvidia card you have? |
| 04:59.04 | nvz | ray66: I mean its probably gonna work with nv, but it may not.. some cards tend to only work with vesa and the nvidia driver |
| 04:59.22 | ray66 | nvz, geforce 7900gs |
| 04:59.29 | nvz | I'm just trying to think on what would be the safest bet and not have you needing to reboot to ubuntu to get back here |
| 04:59.39 | nvz | ray66: do you recall if the nv driver had worked for you before? |
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| 05:00.26 | ray66 | nvz, The conf show nividia and nothing else no nv or glx |
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| 05:03.08 | nvz | ray66: yeah well just change nvidia to nv |
| 05:03.13 | nvz | ray66: and save it |
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| 05:03.32 | nvz | ray66: lets hope that works.. if not, we'll have to do it all again and try vesa or read the log again |
| 05:03.57 | nvz | ray66: the log however indicates that it cannot locate the driver "nvidia" and the "nv' should fix this and get your desktop to load |
| 05:04.16 | ray66 | nvz, Save is control o |
| 05:04.32 | nvz | ray66: I normally do crtl+x to exit and it will prompt to save |
| 05:04.43 | Shtl | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:05.31 | nvz | Shtl: this is the only important one right now W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/sugree/ppa/ubuntu/dists/hardy/deb-src/binary-i386/Packages  404 Not Found if that repo is important to you |
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| 05:05.43 | nvz | Shtl: you also don't seem to be using debian |
| 05:05.52 | ray66 | nvz I really appreciate all the help and will try it tomorrow. |
| 05:06.06 | fluorine | i had n idea that launchpad hosted a debian repo |
| 05:06.11 | nvz | Shtl: the others are all just telling you that you do not have keys installed to authenticate those other repos.. so the packages will install without authenitcattio |
| 05:06.35 | nvz | ray66: well saving that config should allow you to boot debian normally with no accell |
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| 05:07.11 | Shtl | nvz: how to install Keys?? |
| 05:07.26 | markybob | Shtl, for ubuntu? you'd ask in #ubuntu |
| 05:07.26 | Shtl | i am on Kanotix a debian based |
| 05:07.33 | markybob | !debian basedd |
| 05:07.34 | markybob | !debian based |
| 05:07.34 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 05:08.14 | markybob | Shtl, if it's not debian, even if you claim it to be based on debian, we dont care and wouldn't know how to help. go to your distro's channel |
| 05:08.33 | centHOGG | Shtl: live and learn |
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| 05:09.36 | ray66 | nvz, This message is from Lenny Thanks again for the help. |
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| 05:13.56 | nvz | ray66: haha, sweet |
| 05:14.12 | nvz | ray66: I'm planning on spending more time on here again, I'm sure I'll be seeing ya |
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| 05:15.51 | markybob | you'd think enough smart people would realize that 80% of distros are "debian-based" and just use debian...apparently humanity is dumber than i thought |
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| 05:16.15 | centHOGG | yikes |
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| 05:27.10 | Mr_Queue | I'm helping a friend in a with nvidia. If the nvidia splash comes up at boot, but transparent window movement isn't smooth what else can I have him test to see if its working properly? |
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| 05:28.21 | nvz | Mr_Queue: if the logo comes up, its working.. lack of performance just indicates the hardware isn't that great.. heh |
| 05:28.40 | nvz | Mr_Queue: just running the nvidia control panel proves its working |
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| 05:29.04 | Mr_Queue | nvz: thanks that's sort of what I was thinking. |
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| 05:35.04 | nvz | Mr_Queue: I normally want to see my frame rates on things I will be using. I ran both Emerald Viewer and Sauerbraten to test mine today when I finished setting it up |
| 05:35.50 | nvz | Mr_Queue: only reason I used sauerbraten was because I was getting piss poor frame rates on emerald, and I know sauerbraten is very intensive and could be run locally to rule out the internet connection as the cause of my shitty framerate |
| 05:36.28 | Mr_Queue | nvz: that's a good idea. |
| 05:36.38 | nvz | I was getting 3-10 times the frames on the more intensive sauerbraten client, so it was clear to me that the internet was the problem |
| 05:37.31 | nvz | which is understandable cause the internet sucks here when you are connected directly to it, and I'm connected to my netbook that is sitting on top of my monitor, which is running windows ICS and connected wirelessly to the internet |
| 05:37.45 | nvz | That in a nutshell is my problem.. heh |
| 05:38.19 | nvz | I don't have a wire long enough to plug directly in, and I dont really know how to figure out why this connection sucks so bad either |
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| 05:38.42 | nvz | I have my theories, but not real savvy in network diagnostics |
| 05:39.53 | nvz | we have I'd say 2 windows boxes plugged in, an xbox, 2 wireless netbooks, 2 wireless laptops one vista one debian, and my debian box now half-assed connected |
| 05:40.12 | nvz | and people around here have all been on facebook non-stop playing resturant city for weeks.. |
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| 05:40.36 | nvz | and I suspect multiple connections to the same site like that could be causing part of the problem |
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| 05:41.35 | nvz | at the root of it all is the f'n SBG we have, its a cable modem, router, and wireless AP all running on a shitty embedded arm system with next to no ram.. and trying to do everything. I explained to them a f'n 486 linux box would be a better router/ap than that fucker |
| 05:42.25 | nvz | the SBG is great for idiots, its dead simple to use, but its a fine example of over-integration to a point its not really useful |
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| 05:44.14 | nvz | I just don't know enough about networking to be sure of where the problems are.. or how things like multiple constant connections to the same sites through a NAT on that SBG effect performance |
| 05:44.36 | nvz | I would however assume that sort of thing would be an issue affecting speed |
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| 05:47.35 | nvz | oh well.. I'm off to watch my hulu queue.. since there is no issues here other than my own which arent on topic or solveable |
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| 05:48.20 | EagleRock | good talking...have a good one! |
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| 05:49.40 | jnewt01 | i seem to have never needed to find anything!!!! i need to find the files in a folder and subfolders that contains the string ".headlink" how do i do this? |
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| 05:54.06 | EagleRock | jnewt01: try cat * | grep ".headlink" |
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| 05:54.35 | macrobat | ls -R | grep |
| 05:55.08 | macrobat | find . -name headlink |
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| 05:55.23 | macrobat | locate headlink |
| 05:56.26 | Pryon | find . -type f | xargs grep .headlink |
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| 05:57.24 | jnewt01 | that one did it! |
| 05:57.38 | jnewt01 | perfect, exactly what i needed. thanks. |
| 05:58.06 | jnewt01 | EagleRock: yours listed directories like cat: dir: is a directory |
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| 05:59.12 | EagleRock | jnewt01: oh, right...it wouldn't work if there were subdirectories. You'd need to use find like Pryon did |
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| 06:00.04 | jnewt01 | i definately need to read up on find and xargs, whatever that is . |
| 06:00.25 | SUNNYNARULA18 | and -exec too |
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| 06:07.04 | jnewt01 | can anyone explain why xargs makes grep look inside the file instead of at the filename. i am readin gthe man page, and it seems that i can just use the xargs to "run / execute" some other command based on the results of the first. |
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| 06:07.56 | nvz | jnewt01: xargs is voodoo for your shell |
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| 06:08.40 | nvz | jnewt01: thats what grep does is looks inside files.. unless you pipe it a list of filenames |
| 06:08.46 | jnewt01 | nvz: it seems that way! even find ... | exec grep ... looks at the names. |
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| 06:10.11 | nvz | jnewt01: right, xargs just takes what it gets from stdin and puts it after the command |
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| 06:10.43 | nvz | jnewt01: and grep searches for patterns within files unless its piped data to search through like a list of filenames |
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| 06:12.25 | nvz | jnewt01: ls | grep foo, is looking for a filename called foo in the list of files in the cwd, but ls | xargs grep foo, is appending the list of files in the cwd to the end of "grep foo" thus making them files to search within for the pattern "foo |
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| 06:12.53 | uwjesd | What is the default port for tor on lenny? |
| 06:13.09 | nvz | jnewt01: you're using xargs where you merely need a pipe |
| 06:13.10 | Diddi | hi! is there a systray network manager that does not require full install of either gnome or kde? (: |
| 06:13.24 | EagleRock | Diddi: wicd works |
| 06:13.30 | Diddi | checking it out |
| 06:13.44 | nvz | jnewt01: grep already will take its data on stdin, if supplied as an argument, it assumes you want it to search within files |
| 06:13.45 | mnuhmnuh | nvz: "find ... | exec grep ...", no. find . -type f -name ... -exec ... |
| 06:14.21 | jnewt01 | nvz: i am trying to do it without xargs, using find | grep headlink doesn't work, but find | xargs grep headlink does |
| 06:14.31 | Diddi | EagleRock: interesting, thanks |
| 06:14.38 | EagleRock | Diddi: np :-) |
| 06:15.03 | mnuhmnuh | xargs helps if you've too many files for find/bash to handle. |
| 06:15.38 | nvz | yeah thats one of the many ways xargs is like voodoo for you shell |
| 06:15.47 | nvz | it will manage much larger datasets than the shell can handle |
| 06:15.54 | jnewt01 | seems xargs is the "look inside" command, at least at first try, but the manual describes it as a tool to link commands. |
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| 06:16.50 | nvz | jnewt01: simply put, all xargs does, is takes the data it recieves on stdin, and appends it as args to the command specified.. how that behavior effects grep or any other command is a whole different story |
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| 06:17.40 | nvz | jnewt01: simplest example: echo bar | xargs echo "foo" |
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| 06:18.42 | nvz | jnewt01: sends "bar" as stdout from echo, and pipes it into xargs's stdin, then appends "bar" to the command echo "foo" and returns "foo bar" |
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| 06:21.12 | nvz | most commonly used with find, when people want to find certain filenames and perform an action on them. Other way of doing such would require looping and iterating. foo = $("find..."); while read $foo; do ...; ....; done. and produces different results at times and is way more typing |
| 06:22.14 | EagleRock | nvz: thanks for the info, more script-fu for me :-) |
| 06:22.35 | nvz | yeah, well we all need to learn more script fu.. heh |
| 06:22.47 | nvz | I for one need to spend more time with awk and sed |
| 06:22.53 | nvz | I know just the bare essentials |
| 06:23.05 | nvz | not to mention I am horrible with gnu find |
| 06:24.02 | nvz | I use while read loops a lot |
| 06:24.18 | nvz | and I also store output in variables a lot |
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| 06:24.40 | mnuhmnuh | nvz: perl :-) |
| 06:24.47 | nvz | even when there are better ways of doing things.. cause I've learned the trick and became a bit of a one-trick-pony |
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| 06:25.19 | nvz | yeah I've been meaning to study perl too.. but upon installing perl-doc I found myself becoming very afraid of perl |
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| 06:25.39 | nvz | I swear you can make some really fugly looking perl code |
| 06:26.06 | nvz | its a wonder the interpreter can even make heads or tails of the kind of shit that syntax allows |
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| 06:26.26 | mnuhmnuh | nvz: you can make ugly code in any lang. |
| 06:26.43 | nvz | yeah, but perl takes the cake in my book |
| 06:26.53 | mnuhmnuh | nvz: my perl's gorgeous! |
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| 06:27.27 | nvz | I could randomly bang my keyboard.. $U(^#$RHJAQJGT(Q@#APEDFKR!)LWRF)!#TFJg and its valid perl code |
| 06:27.34 | nvz | heh |
| 06:27.51 | jnewt01 | use strict; |
| 06:27.52 | EagleRock | nvz: yeah...leave it to a perl to make C obfuscation seem like pseudocode |
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| 06:29.05 | nvz | I'm particularly fond of python.. its a language for people who just wanna get something done and don't want to waste time neither programming nor learning how to.. |
| 06:29.39 | nvz | perl is def a great language but pythons documentation is easier to digest |
| 06:29.48 | nvz | in fact its been pre-digested in 4 different flavors |
| 06:29.52 | mnuhmnuh | nvz: perl distills sed, *awk, *sh, ... into one pkg. feature! |
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| 06:30.13 | nvz | Turotial, Language Ref, Library Ref, Global Module Index |
| 06:30.38 | nvz | accomodates any stubborn programmers level of interest in the documentation |
| 06:32.00 | nvz | the only thing that is annoying about python is trying to accomodate its whitespace usage without a python IDE |
| 06:32.16 | SUNNYNARULA18 | jnewt01: find . -type f | xargs grep .headlink....are you using this to find files in current directory with .headlist as an extension |
| 06:32.37 | nvz | but it forces you to write well spaced code that is usually fairly easy to decipher even without comments |
| 06:32.54 | mnuhmnuh | find . -type f | xargs grep \.headlink |
| 06:32.59 | SUNNYNARULA18 | find . *.headlink -type f |
| 06:33.15 | nvz | well I guess thats not the only thing.. the GIL does present some limitations |
| 06:33.19 | jnewt01 | mnuhmnuh, that's what i used that worked. |
| 06:33.54 | SUNNYNARULA18 | ok |
| 06:33.55 | mnuhmnuh | jnewt01: thought the . might need escape |
| 06:34.02 | jnewt01 | yup |
| 06:34.32 | nvz | quoted would more than likely do the same thing |
| 06:35.00 | nvz | there is rarely ever a right way to script, just a whole lot of wrong ways |
| 06:35.35 | nvz | a collary to that would be that there are just as many ways to do it right as there are to do it wrong |
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| 06:39.55 | mnuhmnuh | nvz: the right way is the way that someone you hand it to can understand and use. :-) |
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| 06:52.18 | mrvdv | whats the proper link to use to install mysql in debian ? |
| 06:52.36 | uwjesd | mrvdv: apt-get install mysql |
| 06:52.44 | mrvdv | says can not find package |
| 06:53.39 | SUNNYNARULA18 | mrdv: sources.list??lenny?? |
| 06:53.49 | mrvdv | what ? |
| 06:53.53 | uwjesd | mrvdv: apt-cache search mysql |
| 06:56.12 | franki^ | "aptitude install mysql-client mysql-server php5-mysql" is possibly what you want |
| 06:57.14 | tensorpudding | which package provides gcj? |
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| 06:58.28 | imganquan | Hi all. Can I use aptitude to download the source file of a deb ? I mean is there any commmand equals "apt-get source packagename"? thanks. |
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| 06:58.37 | mnuhmnuh | SUNNYNARULA18: http://paste.debian.net/52014/ |
| 06:58.56 | franki^ | tensorpudding: the gcj package? |
| 06:58.57 | jaggz | do any X shell terminals support copying to the clipboard using only the keyboard (no mouse to select the text)? Kinda like screen has its hotkey (^a[) and one can copy to screen's own clipboard... |
| 06:59.16 | jmarsden | tensorpudding: gcj-jdk (the gcj package is transitional, franki^ !) |
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| 06:59.31 | franki^ | jmarsden: oops, sorry :) |
| 06:59.32 | jaggz | I'm presently using konsole |
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| 07:02.43 | nvz | jaggz: guess what.. |
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| 07:03.17 | nvz | jaggz: screen runs in all of them... heh |
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| 07:06.36 | jaggz | can it share its clipboard with X?? |
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| 07:07.31 | shamelessn00b | anyone used headless installatuon of virtualbox on linux? |
| 07:07.32 | uwjesd | jaggz: Yes. |
| 07:07.43 | shamelessn00b | configuration* |
| 07:08.00 | shamelessn00b | debian* |
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| 07:10.45 | josch_ | hi |
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| 07:13.34 | syntaxx | apache log question: i have a lot of domain hosted on my website. It writes all the logs on a single file. I do want to implement a customlog on each site but i am not sure if that will cause a performance degradable when writing to disk. which is the most performance cunsuming writing on a single file or writing logs on per domain basis? |
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| 07:17.29 | jmarsden | syntaxx: If you have a set of websites that are being slowed down because of the time it takes to write out logs, thats a very popular set of sites (or a really old slow server)! What kind of hits/second are you dealing with? |
| 07:18.20 | syntaxx | jmarsden: i don't have any idea yet about the hits/second of the site. I am talking global effect though |
| 07:18.27 | jmarsden | Then don't worry about it. |
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| 07:21.24 | elderK | Hey guys, |
| 07:21.33 | elderK | I was wondering where I can learn what the sanctioned way to do custom kernel compiles are? |
| 07:21.50 | elderK | and, on debian, do you need to recompile things like glibc, get the new kernel-headers, etc? |
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| 07:24.17 | hoxu | !tell elderK about make-kpkg |
| 07:24.51 | nvz | jaggz: bindkey -m > eval "stuff ' '" writebuf "exec sh -c 'xsel -n < /tmp/screen-exchange'" |
| 07:25.37 | nvz | jaggz: screenfu++ |
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| 07:27.50 | helltraum | Anyone know how to get X11 forwarding working ? |
| 07:28.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | enable it in sshd_config |
| 07:28.33 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, ssh less x11 forwarding? |
| 07:28.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | don't recall off the top of my head |
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| 07:29.37 | nvz | jaggz: just so you know, I didn't read that part of your question when I made my smart assed remark, and I impressed even myself on that hack |
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| 07:34.01 | mnuhmnuh | helltraum: then /etc/init.d/ssh restart # hope you're not doing this remotely. |
| 07:34.34 | nvz | doesnt matter |
| 07:34.42 | nvz | ssh doesn't work like that |
| 07:36.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | you can always run it in screen for peace ofmind |
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| 07:38.54 | mnuhmnuh | anyone? one liner $SOME_COMMAND to rip a video dvd to hd on lenny? bud wants a copy of his disk. |
| 07:39.12 | nvz | you can shut down ssh with a session open, it won't end |
| 07:39.23 | nvz | like I said, ssh doesnt work like that |
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| 07:40.21 | mnuhmnuh | nvz: i try not to rely on "givens" like that. !@#$ happens. :-) |
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| 07:44.06 | zophy | is there a sshfs plugin for gnome-commander ? |
| 07:44.12 | zophy | or nautilus ? |
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| 07:57.35 | zophy | ha |
| 07:58.04 | zophy | in my drunken stupor i just registered perfectlywrong.info |
| 07:58.40 | zophy | i think i'll put up a bio of Linus Torvalds there |
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| 08:01.17 | blast_hardcheese | zophy: perfectlywrong.info would be the perfect domain for a bad advice blog |
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| 08:03.14 | zophy | blast_hardcheese, wow, i am naturally gifted at providing people with too powerful information for their skill level |
| 08:03.53 | blast_hardcheese | Hah |
| 08:04.03 | blast_hardcheese | You're in #debian, that's par for the course ;) |
| 08:04.10 | zophy | heh |
| 08:04.35 | blast_hardcheese | speaking of, I'm in need of assistance |
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| 08:05.43 | blast_hardcheese | I've got my Thinkpad x40 set up with WPA Supplicant, it's correctly associated with my network (I can assign myself a manual IP and ping my network) but for whatever reason I can't get DHCP |
| 08:06.23 | blast_hardcheese | Before I troubleshoot my DHCP server for hours, are there any common reasons this could happen? |
| 08:06.45 | cahoot | no error? |
| 08:07.00 | blast_hardcheese | No error where? |
| 08:07.08 | cahoot | no errormessage? |
| 08:07.14 | blast_hardcheese | My DHCP server isn't logging that it sees the request |
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| 08:07.25 | blast_hardcheese | No error message, just no DHCP responses |
| 08:07.48 | cahoot | and you can ping the router? |
| 08:07.55 | blast_hardcheese | I can ping the DHCP server |
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| 08:09.04 | cahoot | and you can ping the router? |
| 08:09.07 | cahoot | err |
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| 08:09.34 | hanibana | hi all |
| 08:10.03 | yoshx | hello |
| 08:10.03 | blast_hardcheese | Hi one |
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| 08:10.25 | f00li5h | meow! |
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| 08:10.47 | hanibana | my apt hangs on "Processing triggers for man-db", I'm running it within a Xen DomU. any clue? |
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| 08:13.04 | hark | what does ls -ld /var/cache/man say? |
| 08:13.48 | hanibana | hark: drwxr-sr-x 39 man root 4096 Nov 21 08:03 /var/cache/man |
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| 08:15.03 | mnuhmnuh | blast_hardcheese: /etc/network/interfaces ==> pastebin? |
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| 08:16.04 | hark | hanibana: that's fine |
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| 08:18.10 | blast_hardcheese | mnuhmnuh: Awesome name, and I think I might have figured it out |
| 08:18.36 | blast_hardcheese | Need to remember where in the docs the setting for allow wpa_supplicant clients to write to the config file is |
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| 08:20.41 | mnuhmnuh | blast_hardcheese: i know nuffin 'bout wifi (don't care), hopefully others ca step in. |
| 08:20.55 | mnuhmnuh | can |
| 08:21.10 | streuner_ | why do you want play with wpa_supplicant at all? |
| 08:21.18 | nima0102 | what do i add to installing multimedia for squeeze?? |
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| 08:21.30 | hanibana | hark: it was solved by a domU reboot. bad solution! ;) but so Xen is for this :) |
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| 08:21.57 | streuner_ | !multimedia |
| 08:21.57 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 08:23.57 | streuner_ | blast_hardcheese: did you look at wiki.debian.org yet? |
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| 08:25.28 | streuner_ | blast_hardcheese: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
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| 08:28.44 | f00li5h | when did apt-get start being worried about public keys, and where do I find them? |
| 08:29.41 | mnuhmnuh | doesn't anyone know how to rip video dvds in lenny? |
| 08:29.56 | f00li5h | ah! the internet had instructions |
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| 08:30.33 | hark | !tell f00li5h about secure-apt |
| 08:30.40 | hark | !tell f00li5h about secure apt |
| 08:31.49 | f00li5h | I asked the rest of the internet, and it told me some gpg related things |
| 08:32.11 | f00li5h | I'm confused as to why it would not install the key itself though |
| 08:32.13 | streuner_ | rest of the internet? |
| 08:32.27 | f00li5h | yes! |
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| 08:32.33 | f00li5h | you people are not all if it, aparently |
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| 08:33.30 | streuner_ | !multiple ask |
| 08:33.30 | dpkg | The chance of you getting a useful answer is inversely proportional to the square of the number of times you ask in a short amount of time: that is, if you ask four times in succession, you're 1/16 as likely to get a useful answer. Also, please don't ask both in freenode and OFTC at the same time; there's no real point in doing so and it's just annoying. See <hurry> |
| 08:33.45 | f00li5h | hark: this page really isn't written for someone who's not intersted in the ins-and-outs of gpg, is it? |
| 08:34.10 | f00li5h | streuner_: who's that aimed at then? |
| 08:35.28 | hark | f00li5h: then ask a better question. it's a correct answer for "when did apt-get start being worried about public keys" |
| 08:36.01 | f00li5h | hark: perhpas you missed the half that was "and where to I find them?" |
| 08:36.16 | hark | f00li5h: the page tells you how as well. |
| 08:36.47 | hark | did you miss http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#Howtofindakey ? |
| 08:37.13 | f00li5h | that's likely, because i'm only about 15% into the document |
| 08:37.56 | hark | without knowing anything about what key you require or any error you are getting, maybe the rest of the internet is a better place for you |
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| 08:39.41 | f00li5h | it's nice that you're paying this much attention to my query, but if you have as you say, provided an answer, it'd surely be better for me to finish reading this document than listen to you "learn how to ask questions"ing me |
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| 08:41.29 | SUNNYNARULA18 | mnuhmnuh: may be mencoder or ffmpeg |
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| 08:41.57 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h: it's a bootstraping question; normally the debian-archive-keyring package should have the right keys |
| 08:42.15 | simonrvn | f00li5h: not all repos have a package for installing the key to apt-key - hence no "...install the key itself..." |
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| 08:42.36 | dondelelcaro | (for unofficial packages, who knows) |
| 08:42.37 | f00li5h | so, I have to install a key, to install the keys package? |
| 08:42.43 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:42.43 | SUNNYNARULA18 | you can wget the keys |
| 08:42.45 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h: no, you just get a warning |
| 08:43.19 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h: you can wget the keys, use apt-key with gpg and a keyserver, or do any number of things to incorporate the keys |
| 08:43.22 | nvz | f00li5h: keys are not required, they just give you an extra benefit of knowing the package is authentic and signed |
| 08:43.32 | f00li5h | should I be worried by gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found |
| 08:43.53 | dondelelcaro | f00li5h: nah, that's just a gpg warning |
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| 08:44.45 | dondelelcaro | nvz: really just that the Release file has the signatures which match the sha1 and md5 sums of the Packages file which has md5 and sha1 sums of the packages, but yeah. |
| 08:44.50 | carl__ | i just did an upgrade under sid and some of my unicode fonts are gone (kanji in particular), has anyone had the same problem |
| 08:45.11 | dondelelcaro | carl__: if they did, there'd be bugs filed |
| 08:45.21 | carl__ | point taken |
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| 08:45.30 | neoice | has anyone built grsec on lenny? I'm getting this: http://pastebin.com/m5a5dda59 |
| 08:46.54 | dondelelcaro | neoice: looks like it's the wrong patch for that kernel version |
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| 08:47.20 | neoice | dondelelcaro: both are from the repo :/ |
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| 09:11.19 | ojo | hey, all! There is still a problem that remaines after one year of linux, flash. I tried adobe, I tried gnash, I tried swfdec. But it still eats half of my cpu and blocks on full screen... What to do? |
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| 09:12.28 | sauvin | ojo, do you have recent hardware? |
| 09:12.43 | ojo | hp pavillion dv2000 |
| 09:12.54 | ojo | thats a dual core |
| 09:13.12 | ojo | I can play like 10 flash video's at the same time in windows |
| 09:13.31 | ojo | or better, I could, there is no more windows on this box :p |
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| 09:15.38 | sauvin | I can't imagine. Flash doesn't use hardware acceleration, does it? |
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| 09:15.55 | action09 | hi all: |
| 09:16.03 | action09 | why cron-apt say: "Observe that this tool may be a security risk, so you should not set it to do more than necessary. Automatic upgrade of all packages is NOT recommended unless you are in full |
| 09:16.03 | action09 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:16.36 | action09 | what does "full crontrol of the package repository" mean ? i don't have any otehrs repos that the offical ones... |
| 09:17.09 | action09 | anyone has an idea ? is this warning for extras depos ? |
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| 09:17.32 | action09 | or full upgrade (dist-upgrades) can be run with cron-apt 'securely'.. |
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| 09:20.41 | action09 | i mean (sorry for multiline post...) the warning is in case of compromission of the repository ? |
| 09:20.48 | mnuhmnuh | SUNNYNARULA18: thx. research. |
| 09:21.22 | taras | is it possible to update libxine? if I'll build it from sources and put on LD_LIBRARY_PATH - will Kaffeine use new version? |
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| 09:21.48 | taras | cos some of flvs downloaded with youtube-dl aren't played by kaffeine |
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| 09:22.27 | simonrvn | try with mplayer |
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| 09:22.49 | simonrvn | mplayer always plays them for me, with decent quality |
| 09:23.08 | taras | mplayer says for me in lenny: |
| 09:23.57 | taras | Error opening/initialising selected video device |
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| 09:41.33 | yancho | hi guys anyone can help me with this error: i am getting this when connecting to my ftp server: 500 OOPS: cannot locate user entry:ftpsecure |
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| 09:50.57 | georgij__ | Hello, I have 5 partitions: Boot, Swap, Root, Home, Unallocated Partition. I want to install Windows on my Unallocated part BUT it seems 3 of my other partitions is Primary partitions so I can't! How can I fix this? Since I cant have more than 3 primary parts..!! HELP APPRECIATED |
| 09:51.32 | ikonia | georgij__: you're not using debian |
| 09:51.36 | ikonia | this channel is for debian support |
| 09:51.37 | georgij__ | yed |
| 09:51.39 | georgij__ | 7es |
| 09:51.45 | georgij__ | I am using debian |
| 09:51.52 | llutz | georgij__: delete some primary partitions, read about partitions, repartition, go to ##linux |
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| 09:51.56 | georgij__ | I have 4 computers |
| 09:52.01 | georgij__ | with the same problem |
| 09:52.26 | ikonia | ^ banned from ##linux |
| 09:52.33 | georgij__ | what |
| 09:52.39 | georgij__ | am I banned from linux? |
| 09:52.41 | llutz | they'll know why |
| 09:52.53 | georgij__ | I cant enter |
| 09:52.57 | georgij__ | I dont understand why |
| 09:53.48 | shattered | maybe you're banned |
| 09:53.51 | ikonia | I suggest ##linux-ops is a place to ask |
| 09:54.01 | georgij__ | thanks |
| 09:54.02 | ikonia | shattered: he is and from other channels too |
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| 09:54.13 | bazhang | no ##linux is registered only at the moment |
| 09:54.15 | shattered | sorry for him |
| 09:54.57 | ikonia | bazhang: is it ? |
| 09:55.00 | ikonia | ahh |
| 09:55.12 | ikonia | he's other nick georgij is registered and identified and he said he couldn't enter |
| 09:55.18 | bazhang | georgij__, go to #freenode for help with registration |
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| 10:08.09 | Diddi | hi! when I read man-pages I can't scroll up/down. I can only go down by using the return-key. what am I doing wrong? (: |
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| 10:08.52 | koeppea | Diddi: PAGER="less" man foo |
| 10:09.43 | koeppea | Diddi, this is just valid for this command. You should set this variable in your .bashrc using export PAGER="less" |
| 10:09.52 | ojo | hi! I'm working on a server I just got. And I wondered. I'm trying to get my raid working and I find this on the internet: Utility for Switching Between ATA and RAID Mode [ATARAID.âEXE]. Do you guy's know what this does exactly? |
| 10:10.08 | Diddi | koeppea: ah, thanks. simply installing less helped (: |
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| 10:11.11 | koeppea | ojo, this sounds like a Windows binary |
| 10:11.40 | ojo | koeppea, I know. That's why I wondered. |
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| 10:12.02 | koeppea | try to figure out with `file` |
| 10:13.16 | koeppea | AFAIK under Linux RAID is beeing set up with mdadm and the appropriate Kernel modules |
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| 10:14.17 | lwithers | ojo: unless it's a really high-end server, it's likely not hardware RAID; see e.g. http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/SATA_RAID_FAQ and maybe http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
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| 10:14.50 | lwithers | ojo: personally I have had very positive experience with using AHCI mode and then doing Linux software raid, particularly RAID10, using mdadm |
| 10:15.11 | ojo | lwithers: But now It's like I can only acces 1 hard drive of the four. You advise me to set up a software raid? |
| 10:15.52 | lwithers | ojo: yes, I would advise you set the SATA controller to "AHCI" or equivalent mode in the BIOS, and use software RAID instead |
| 10:16.17 | ojo | lwithers: I'll try this immediately |
| 10:20.21 | ojo | lwithers: maiby silly, but where should I look for the sata controllor? onboard devices? pci configuration? |
| 10:22.36 | lwithers | ojo: can't remember, it should be fairly obvious though |
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| 10:24.09 | allu2 | Hello |
| 10:24.10 | ojo | lwithers: well, I can't find anything with sata, under pci configuration I have: onboard serial ata and then slot 1-5 pci |
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| 10:25.20 | ojo | lwithers: ow, under the oonboard serial ata, I have a configuration possibility onboard seraial ata mode: but it is unchangable and it stays on RAID |
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| 10:26.04 | lwithers | it might depend on some other options to do with disks; try changing things around a little |
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| 10:26.48 | ojo | lwithers: tx for your help, I'll try that :) |
| 10:26.58 | allu2 | i used mdadm to make raid between 2 usb stick and now after i had uninstall mdadm and i wanted to use usb stick for other use i can't mount it as it says it's unknown filesystem type "linux_raid_member" and i can't get it go away , i tried with gparted and it says it changes filesystem to ext2, ext3, fat32(i tried several) but still when i try mount it says same message about linux raid member |
| 10:27.50 | allu2 | any idea how i could use my usb stick again or should i just throw it to garbage? |
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| 10:29.17 | lwithers | allu2: you might need to change the partition table, using e.g. cfdisk |
| 10:29.37 | lwithers | allu2: also, mdadm has an option to zero the RAID superblock; that might be what is needed |
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| 10:30.13 | ojo | lwithers: hey, I can just desable the onboard serial ata, will that work? |
| 10:30.16 | isilion | Hi all. I have a little bug with compiz + aiglx + intel. it was working perfect, but i formatted, reinstalled debian, and followed de guides of compiz-fusion to install aiglx and the debian ones for compiz. now i have a problem: it runs extremely slow. i.e. screen freezes a while when rotating the cube moving a window to the edge of the screen. someone can help me? |
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| 10:30.39 | lwithers | ojo: depends, how are your disks plugged in? |
| 10:31.17 | ojo | lwithers: I'm sorry, now you are losing me, what does that have to do with it. :) |
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| 10:31.44 | aoloe | i have a d-link wifi usb dongle and i can't get it to work... |
| 10:31.56 | allu2 | lwithers: when i try use mdadm to zero superblock it doesn't find my usb stick anymore as part of md0 |
| 10:32.01 | aoloe | ... http://pastebin.c/1680679 |
| 10:32.04 | lwithers | ojo: well, if you disable the onboard SATA controller but your disks are plugged into it, I suspect you'll find you have 0 disks available :) |
| 10:32.12 | allu2 | lwithers: i tried already with cfdisk |
| 10:32.27 | ojo | liwithers: sound very logical :) |
| 10:32.30 | aoloe | ooops ... http://pastebin.c/1680679 |
| 10:32.35 | aoloe | ooops ... http://pastebin.ca/1680679 |
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| 10:33.12 | aoloe | aaah! |
| 10:33.13 | lwithers | allu2: so the partition type is 82/83 or whatever and not fd? And I think it's "mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sde1" or whatever the partition is, not the RAID device |
| 10:33.18 | aoloe | ok, i got the error. sorry |
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| 10:34.08 | allu2 | lwithers: mdadm: Couldn't open /dev/sda for write - not zeroing |
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| 10:35.04 | lwithers | allu2: and you're sure the USB stick is /dev/sda? What are the permissions on the device node (ls -l /dev/sda*)? |
| 10:35.08 | ojo | lwithers: well I disabled to try, it and it still works |
| 10:35.50 | ojo | lwithers: the main problem is that I cannot find the other hard drives |
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| 10:36.46 | lwithers | ojo: mmm, are the correct drivers for the hardware loaded? (lspci or lspci -v tells you what chipsets you have, and also looking at the kernel bootup messages gives you info on what drivers it has loaded) |
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| 10:40.09 | Zaiden | I've heard from someone that gnome will be using Pulseaudio as the default soundsystem. I know you can get rid of it in ubuntu, but can you uninstall it in Debian and use ALSA without any issues? |
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| 10:42.54 | dutchfish | Zaiden, yes you can; but, is it easy? no ; is it bugfree? certainly not. (squeeze/amd64) |
| 10:43.11 | isilion | Hi all. I have a little bug with compiz + aiglx + intel. it was working perfect, but i formatted, reinstalled debian, and followed de guides of compiz-fusion to install aiglx and the debian ones for compiz. now i have a problem: it runs extremely slow. i.e. screen freezes a while when rotating the cube moving a window to the edge of the screen. someone can help me? |
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| 10:43.40 | dutchfish | Zaiden, i think the best is to wait till 2.6.32 will hit squeeze |
| 10:45.37 | do0ob | hi, quick question, is zfs proprietary? |
| 10:45.56 | themill | !zfs |
| 10:45.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, zfs is http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
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| 10:45.58 | do0ob | i'm considering a move to zfs for its checksumming abilities |
| 10:46.35 | do0ob | i mean how can a filesystem that checksums your data not be used? |
| 10:46.41 | allu2 | lwithers: got it work, i just un plug the usb stick and plug it back and then dmesg said that write protect is off and then mdamd --zer..... worked fine,, Thank you :) |
| 10:46.41 | lwithers | do0ob: it's not ready yet, but you might want to check out btrfs. AIUI you won't be able to get ZFS running on Linux |
| 10:46.43 | do0ob | oh hang on a sec, argh i'm so dumb |
| 10:46.44 | Zaiden | Thank you dutchfish |
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| 10:46.51 | dutchfish | Zaiden, yw |
| 10:47.00 | lwithers | allu2: good, glad you got it working :) |
| 10:47.05 | allu2 | :) |
| 10:47.12 | do0ob | by having checksum data you introduce 2 points of failure, if the checksum is wrong then the data is assumed to be wrong too |
| 10:47.14 | lwithers | do0ob: the hard disk does its own ECC (error checking + correction) |
| 10:47.25 | joltcan | do0ob: It is possible to run ZFS with fuse, but it's not supported like a "real" filesystem |
| 10:47.44 | do0ob | joltcan: so i can't use it as my root partition? |
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| 10:48.02 | joltcan | lwithers: The problem is that drives sometimes say they have written something, but ZFS actually verifies it, which is nice of the FS to do |
| 10:48.15 | joltcan | do0ob: No idea, I stopped being interested after I saw it was fuse |
| 10:48.36 | joltcan | I jumped on the JFS bandwagon instead. Supported and Reliable |
| 10:49.10 | joltcan | do0ob: I found some blog about someone running it for their backup server way back, and there seemed to be some issues |
| 10:49.17 | do0ob | i went with XFS |
| 10:49.29 | do0ob | it had an X in the name so it was the first one i tried |
| 10:49.53 | allu2 | next question, how i can get .iso boot from usb stick? i got dsl-4.4-10.iso and i would like to make it bootable from usb stick |
| 10:50.20 | joltcan | do0ob: xfs, jfs are pretty much teh same stuff. I'm waiting for btrfs to be stable, but that will probably take another year or so |
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| 10:50.39 | do0ob | what about ext4? |
| 10:51.07 | joltcan | allu2: Google it, there are loads of articles on that |
| 10:51.17 | lwithers | allu2: google is your friend, but maybe http://www.pendrivelinux.com/boot-iso-from-usb-flash-drive/ for example |
| 10:51.23 | joltcan | do0ob: Is supposed to be pretty stable, but I went for really stable instead |
| 10:51.43 | dutchfish | joltcan, brtfs will be in 2.6.32 i have tested it in 2.6.32-rc7 and 8 and its maturing rapidly; it wont take a year |
| 10:51.56 | joltcan | do0ob: But really, ext4 seems fine, but for my purposes jfs had what I needed |
| 10:52.05 | allu2 | joltcan: i have google more then one time but i haven't get single one work.. there was article i think it was on debian wiki witch looked promising but i coulnd't get it to work... |
| 10:52.07 | joltcan | dutchfish: It will before I will use it |
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| 10:52.31 | dutchfish | joltcan, sure, i am still at ext3, and i still like it |
| 10:52.31 | do0ob | ok, i will wait for brtfs, sounds much better than zfs |
| 10:52.34 | do0ob | thanks |
| 10:52.50 | joltcan | allu2: this one? http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
| 10:53.21 | joltcan | allu2: syslinux /dev/foo? or lilo -M /dev/foo? |
| 10:53.30 | allu2 | lwithers: .exe files? i am on debian |
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| 10:54.22 | allu2 | joltcan: i did that "Unburned using DamnSmallLinux" |
| 10:54.24 | dutchfish | joltcan, be carefull with xfs in kernels >2.6.30 |
| 10:54.43 | joltcan | dutchfish: I use JFS |
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| 10:55.01 | dutchfish | joltcan, never used it |
| 10:55.04 | themill | allu2: if you're playing with DSL, then you might want to look at the DSL documentation on what to do with that ISO image or ask in #damnsmalllinux |
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| 10:55.54 | do0ob | dutchfish: whats wrong with xfs in 2.6.30+? |
| 10:56.14 | do0ob | i use jfs with 2.6.31-1 |
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| 10:56.42 | dutchfish | do0ob, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Fnext%2Flinux-next.git&a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=xfs |
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| 10:57.21 | dutchfish | do0ob, ;) |
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| 10:57.32 | do0ob | oh man, is it just me or is 2.6.29 looking better and better each day |
| 10:57.37 | joltcan | allu2: http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/linux/104010505.asp ? |
| 10:57.49 | joltcan | allu2: but sometimes some computers just hate to boot from usb |
| 10:58.10 | joltcan | allu2: I'm no expert at all on this matter, I use netboot for installations |
| 10:58.20 | dutchfish | do0ob, its you i gues, but there is alot of features missing in that one :) |
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| 10:58.49 | allu2 | joltcan: i'll watch your link thank you :) |
| 10:59.19 | joltcan | allu2: but pretty much all articles point to the same solution, using syslinux to make it bootable |
| 10:59.44 | joltcan | allu2: sometimes 'puters wants the bootable flag set on the partition as well, not sure what you have done or not |
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| 11:00.29 | allu2 | joltcan: ok :) |
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| 11:01.47 | joltcan | usb booting is black magic! |
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| 11:03.00 | dutchfish | sub booting; delve into this: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
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| 11:03.46 | dutchfish | s/sub/usb |
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| 11:04.35 | dutchfish | or: http://boot.kernel.org/ |
| 11:04.51 | dutchfish | depending on your needs |
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| 11:05.54 | lwithers | allu2: also check out http://www.netboot.me/ , not exactly what you're trying to do but it might solve your problem |
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| 11:06.41 | babilen | Hei all. I used to have a program once that showed all pictures in the network traffic in a slightshow... I just can't remember the name. Any ideas? |
| 11:06.59 | babilen | background: Talk for freshman about security and encryption |
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| 11:09.01 | aoloe | i've installed debian testing on an old mac powerpc and the keyboard layout is currently a "not correctly" working apple layout: how can i set it as a "standard" pc keyboard layout? |
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| 11:09.19 | aoloe | i've tried "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-data" with not much success |
| 11:09.28 | aoloe | the goal is to have the correct layout in X11 |
| 11:09.34 | Solevis | Hi |
| 11:09.36 | allu2 | lwithers: looks nice but as you said not exactly what i am looking for |
| 11:10.21 | hark | aoloe: dpkg-reconfigure console-setup or edit /etc/default/console-setup |
| 11:10.26 | hark | babilen: driftnet |
| 11:11.09 | sint | whats the best way of getting a most recent version of imagemagick without compiling the source? |
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| 11:11.39 | hark | sint: check if it's in backports or backport it |
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| 11:12.23 | themill | judd versions imagemagick |
| 11:12.23 | judd | themill: imagemagick -- etch: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.14 etch-security: 7:6.2.4.5.dfsg1-0.15+etch1 etch-backports: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg1-3~lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny1 lenny-security: 7:6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3 squeeze: 7:6.5.5.3-1 experimental: 7:6.5.5.3-1exp1 sid: 7:6.5.7.8-1 |
| 11:12.53 | themill | sint: most people complain that imagemagick changes too quickly and wish it would remain stable... what is it you're looking for? |
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| 11:13.34 | sint | themill: i am looking for 6.3.7+ |
| 11:13.53 | themill | that's already in stable. |
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| 11:14.11 | sint | themill: strange, i have 6.2.4 |
| 11:14.23 | themill | sint: are you running etch? (oldstable) |
| 11:14.42 | sint | ya |
| 11:14.46 | SUNNYNARULA18 | 6.3.7 is there in etch backports |
| 11:15.07 | themill | sint: for now, you can just wander over to backports.org and grab 6.3.7 (/msg dpkg bpo) but in the long run, it's time to be planning your upgrade to lenny. |
| 11:15.49 | aoloe | hark: it didn't work... do i have to restart anything? |
| 11:15.59 | hark | aoloe: hal |
| 11:16.00 | babilen | hark: yes! thanks that was the one. I hope that will sensibilise them a little :-) |
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| 11:16.51 | hark | aoloe: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
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| 11:17.11 | sint | SUNNYNARULA18: probably i am doing something wrong! :( i have this line in source.list "deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free", but its not showing any newer version of imagemagick |
| 11:17.11 | bolt | is there a way to get one program on two screens with dualhead without xinerama? like, get the gimp tools on the other xserver? |
| 11:17.29 | themill | sint: did you run "apt-get update" after adding that line? |
| 11:17.43 | sint | themill: ya update and upgrade |
| 11:18.10 | themill | sint: to actually get the package, you need "aptitude -t etch-backports install imagemagick", as per the instructions on backports.org. |
| 11:19.16 | sint | themill: just a second. i'll try |
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| 11:20.43 | sint | themill: ok, it installs lots of things now |
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| 11:21.43 | sint | themill: do i need to do "-t etch-backports" everytime i want something from backports? i just thought its using the latest version of any repository if added to sources.list |
| 11:22.18 | aoloe | hark: it still doesn't work :-( ... i've configured exactly the same as it shows up on my main computer (a normal pc with a mac keyboard) and the powerbook still refuses to use altgr on the right apple... |
| 11:22.24 | themill | sint: no. Backports are disabled by default (you don't want to install every backport possible). |
| 11:23.01 | themill | sint: you reread the instructions page on backports.org and pin them as described so that updates to those packages are automatically installed. |
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| 11:23.24 | sint | themill: ok thanks |
| 11:23.54 | fale | If I download a .orig.tar.gz and a .diff.gz files, how can I create the whole package? (applying the diff to the orig files?) |
| 11:24.03 | sint | themill: ok, i'll keep that in mind. |
| 11:24.21 | patrikf | fale: yes, but better let dpkg-source do that for you |
| 11:24.35 | patrikf | fale: or apt-get source if the package in question is in the archive |
| 11:24.45 | fale | patrikf: dpkg-source name ? |
| 11:24.54 | patrikf | fale: man dpkg-source ? |
| 11:24.56 | fale | patrikf: nope, is not in the archive |
| 11:25.00 | fale | ok, thx :) |
| 11:25.00 | superjet_busy | fale: get foo.dsc also |
| 11:25.48 | themill | wonders if fale is still working on Ubuntu packages or has suddenly started working on Debian ones. |
| 11:25.52 | fale | superjet_busy: I have it too, thanks :) |
| 11:26.28 | superjet_busy | fale: then dpkg-source -x foo.dsc will extract it |
| 11:26.34 | themill | fale: "dget http://url.to/the.dsc" is the easiest way of getting them all. |
| 11:27.27 | fale | thankyou |
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| 11:27.57 | sint | themill: for some strange reason, php don't want to use my imagemagick in the latest version. it keeps saying that i have 6.2.4 installed |
| 11:28.39 | do0ob | hi, at the top of my /etc/fstab it tells me that i can use vol_id --uuid to get uuids of my partitions, but i cannot find vol_id, has it been renamed? |
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| 11:29.15 | mjmt_ | Who was the idiot that thought running "strip" on the dovecot-antispam plugin was a good idea. |
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| 11:30.05 | themill | sint: how are you checking this? |
| 11:30.22 | sint | themill: php -i | grep image |
| 11:30.52 | sint | could be some kind of php5something package |
| 11:30.59 | themill | sint: php5-imagick at a guess |
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| 11:31.32 | sint | themill: ya, i should try to update |
| 11:32.24 | hark | mjmt_: nothing unusual about that |
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| 11:32.42 | themill | mjmt_: all binaries except those in the -dbg packages are supposed to be stripped. See policy §10.1. |
| 11:33.02 | mjmt_ | It's a plugin. With symbols removed. Like the one dovecot needs to make it work. |
| 11:33.55 | hark | mjmt_: it needs it? |
| 11:34.01 | lwithers | mjmt_: I think you might have a different issue; stripping a binary (be it executable or plugin) only removes debugging information, not the actual names in the symbol table |
| 11:34.34 | mjmt_ | Well nm on it gives "no symbols". |
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| 11:35.56 | lwithers | mjmt_: then that's a different issue |
| 11:35.59 | hark | mjmt_: which version of debian? did you check the bts? |
| 11:36.09 | lwithers | mjmt_: "nm" still prints the symbol table on stripped objects |
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| 11:36.47 | sint | themill: seems to be the latest version out there |
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| 11:37.00 | mjmt_ | stable |
| 11:37.05 | sint | is there any way to get a newer deb? |
| 11:37.56 | hark | mjmt_: and no backports right? |
| 11:38.30 | themill | sint: php5-imagick claims to be a wrapper around the system imagemagick library, so what you've already done should be enough. Although you could try checking if you have the libmagick10 package installed ath the right version. |
| 11:39.01 | patrikf | mjmt_: nm giving no symbols is nothing unusual for plugins. try nm -D |
| 11:39.57 | sint | themill: ya, seems to be the latest |
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| 11:43.21 | mjmt_ | patrikf: Okay that helped, now I know it's something else... 'U' means unresolved right? |
| 11:43.44 | patrikf | mjmt_: yes. though unresolved symbols are nothing bad per se. |
| 11:43.53 | sint | themill: ok, i sadly don't think i can change to much right now. but thanks alot for your help |
| 11:44.30 | mjmt_ | Yeah but it's the plugin entry point by the look of it. :\ |
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| 11:44.42 | patrikf | mjmt_: many plugin architectures rely on the plugin registering itself to the main application. so even a plugin with no symbols except _init can work. |
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| 11:46.12 | mjmt_ | Well the actual issue is dovecot complaining it can't find that function in the plugin. |
| 11:48.20 | mjmt_ | I was really just venting though. :) This prevents dovecot from starting at all, but it's not like I couldn't be running without the plugin. Hopefully it's just a matter of rebuilding the package. |
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| 11:50.04 | tdn | I keep getting errors like this: "accept: Too many open files!". I think this ia because my ulimit on max open file handles is set too low. How do I increase this? ulimit -n says 1024. I would like to increase this. |
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| 11:53.08 | koeppea | tdn, ulimit -n 4096 ? |
| 11:53.12 | fluke | is it possible to install fglrx drivers without logging into X? |
| 11:53.50 | Solevis | Yes |
| 11:54.12 | fluke | Solevis, is it hard to do? |
| 11:54.21 | abrotman | the Debian way? |
| 11:54.33 | Solevis | m-a a-i fglrx |
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| 11:54.57 | Solevis | Before : aptitude install module-assistant |
| 11:54.59 | fluke | well i tried doing the apt-get install way and it says E: couldnt find fglrx driver |
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| 11:55.41 | do0ob | anyone know where vol_id is? |
| 11:56.01 | tdn | koeppea, then I get ulimit: value exceeds hard limit |
| 11:56.15 | tdn | koeppea, I would like to increase it permanently. |
| 11:56.33 | abrotman | fluke: you have to add the contrib/non-free repos to your sources.list |
| 11:56.42 | fluke | ah |
| 11:57.07 | fluke | was using some guide, it didnt mention that part :S |
| 11:57.36 | abrotman | !tell fluke about fglrx |
| 11:57.44 | Solevis | ;o |
| 11:57.48 | abrotman | fluke: which video card is it? |
| 11:58.01 | abrotman | !tell fluke about fglrx one-liner |
| 11:58.02 | Solevis | http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 11:58.04 | fluke | ati 4870 at the moment, i cant get into X server |
| 11:58.12 | fluke | says no input display |
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| 11:58.25 | fluke | but i know its not my pc as i run other distros np |
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| 11:59.06 | fluke | someone mentioned yesterday if i installed the fglrx it might fix it. who knows |
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| 11:59.24 | abrotman | fluke: which version of Debian is this ? |
| 11:59.24 | taras | what package is needed to install to get 32bit libpthread in lenny? |
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| 11:59.59 | fluke | lenny 503, tried squeeze which supose to fix this issue but in squeeze i had no gui at all :P |
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| 12:02.18 | koeppea | tdn, add "* soft nofile 4096" and "* soft nofile 4096" to /etc/security/limits.conf and ensure that pam_limits.so is not beeing commented in /etc/pam.d/* |
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| 12:02.41 | mjmt_ | How do I build a package that I've manually downloaded the source, diff and dsc for? |
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| 12:03.08 | koeppea | tdn, the second soft should be "hard" |
| 12:03.17 | aeg | haha just had the same Q |
| 12:04.21 | aeg | I wanna install apache2 ... -10 form source |
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| 12:05.45 | poisonbit | mjmt, dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc |
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| 12:06.17 | poisonbit | how can I reload PAM changes in the config files ? |
| 12:06.30 | taras | in what lenny package is 32bit libpthread? |
| 12:06.40 | mjmt | aeg: Should be able to apt-get source apache2, then mess with the source, then apt-get --build source apache2. Or what poisonbit just said instead of apt-get --build. |
| 12:06.51 | mjmt | poisonbit: Thanks. |
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| 12:07.43 | aeg | hee mjmt are you reading my mind or something |
| 12:08.17 | mjmt | aeg: Nah this is stuff is just commonplace. :) You running stable? |
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| 12:09.28 | aeg | Yes .. but as i now see with the debian-volatile l |
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| 12:10.32 | aeg | mjmt do have to manualy apply the patches ? |
| 12:10.50 | fluke | abrotman, you reckon if i manage to get fglrx installed it should fix the no input display issue? or is there anything else i should install..i tried googling my issue seen very little about it |
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| 12:11.52 | abrotman | fluke: i don't own a single ATI device .. you may need to get the .run file from ati.com .. i really don't know (i'd imagine squeeze can use the radeonhd though) |
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| 12:12.30 | fluke | abrotman, can the .run file be installed without a gui? |
| 12:12.42 | fluke | normally it has a window pop up with a next next funtion |
| 12:12.47 | abrotman | fluke: no idea, never used it |
| 12:12.53 | fluke | ok np |
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| 12:16.52 | valdyn | ati/amd has plenty documentation as to how to generate and install the proper debian packages |
| 12:16.52 | JPT | shouldn't you be able to install graphics driver without gui? :D |
| 12:17.08 | JPT | nvidias install script is based on cli + ncurses |
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| 12:18.53 | SUNNYNARULA18 | mjmt: if its not a debian source package you need to use dh_make first |
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| 12:20.48 | valdyn | taras: thats part of libc6 |
| 12:21.03 | aeg | mjmt: does the debian.volatile causes the " debhelper (>= 6.0.7) " error on building the package ? |
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| 12:21.29 | mjmt | aeg: On second thought, packaging your changes isn't that great an idea... perhaps just start with upstream's source, or debian's, and install manually when done. |
| 12:21.44 | mjmt | aeg: I don't know what debian.volatile is, sorry. |
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| 12:22.47 | taras | valdyn: thanks. and where is libgthread ? |
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| 12:23.56 | aeg | mjmt: the strange thing is i can't remember putting that in my sources.list |
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| 12:24.48 | aeg | http://www.debian.org/volatile/ |
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| 12:25.24 | racecar56 | what's with this "numeric argument required" thing that prevents daemons like sshd and dbus from starting? |
| 12:25.37 | racecar56 | i'm using lenny |
| 12:26.59 | kvalo | hello. I updated my sid laptop after few weeks and found this after reboot: |
| 12:27.03 | kvalo | overflow on /tmp type tmpfs (rw,size=1048576,mode=1777) |
| 12:27.25 | kvalo | fstab does not contain it so who mounts it? |
| 12:28.01 | kvalo | I want to get rid of it |
| 12:28.05 | racecar56 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.09 | racecar56 | what's with that? |
| 12:28.40 | valdyn | !tell taras -about search |
| 12:28.46 | valdyn | taras: in libglib2.0-0Ã |
| 12:28.47 | valdyn | taras: in libglib2.0-0 |
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| 12:29.35 | valdyn | taras: guess youre looking for the -dev packages though as in most debian systems that would be installed by default anyway |
| 12:29.59 | taras | I need 32 bit version of those |
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| 12:30.07 | kvalo | aha, it's most likely /etc/init.d/mountoverflowtmp |
| 12:30.10 | valdyn | taras: in a 64-bit system? |
| 12:30.14 | taras | cos skype doesn't work |
| 12:30.16 | taras | yeah |
| 12:30.17 | valdyn | taras: to do what? |
| 12:30.24 | valdyn | taras: aptitude install ia32-libs |
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| 12:31.02 | valdyn | taras: and dont try to use skype over pulseaudio in that setting |
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| 12:31.28 | taras | I use alsa |
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| 12:35.36 | fixUp | For a large data partition on a server is it safe to use xfs over ext3 ? |
| 12:35.48 | valdyn | fixUp: xfs is fine |
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| 12:36.48 | valdyn | fixUp: but ext3 is just bad with huge files, not with large partitions, and its still the most reliable fs |
| 12:36.48 | fixUp | valdyn: I've heard some horror stories of lost files after a power outage, is this a common issue ? |
| 12:36.55 | valdyn | fixUp: its an unavoidable issue |
| 12:37.08 | valdyn | fixUp: not avoidable with standard *hardware* |
| 12:37.16 | valdyn | fixUp: but its very rare |
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| 12:37.58 | fixUp | valdyn: The files arent going to be huge, I just want maximum reliability |
| 12:38.07 | valdyn | fixUp: then just use ext3 |
| 12:38.30 | fixUp | ok |
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| 12:38.51 | fixUp | valdyn: the main attraction of XFS is abscence of fsck |
| 12:39.11 | valdyn | fixUp: xfs fsck is not any more absent than ext3 fsck |
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| 12:39.50 | fixUp | valdyn: I know, but doesnt it run in the backgorund like soft updates for UFS2 ? |
| 12:39.54 | aeg | valdyn: I had my apache2 segfault my system many times for a week long and only ones had to manually fix the fs |
| 12:40.14 | valdyn | fixUp: xfs does some fixing online automagically on mount yea |
| 12:40.23 | valdyn | fixUp: not certain thats good for you though |
| 12:40.51 | valdyn | fixUp: an fsck that is online where you cant tell when its done and which at the same time might grind your system to a halt |
| 12:41.24 | valdyn | fixUp: an ups is the better solution |
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| 12:42.44 | fixUp | valdyn: I'm planning to use a ups as well |
| 12:43.07 | flourish | hello all, there are many files with name prefixed with -ren, and i found a command for i in -ren*;do mv -- $i ${i#-ren};done to remove all -ren. Can someone explain it |
| 12:43.34 | fixUp | valdyn: just another thing, the setup will be software RAID-1, is it ok to use xfs in this configuration ? |
| 12:43.42 | valdyn | fixUp: yes, sure |
| 12:43.43 | flourish | the do part |
| 12:44.00 | valdyn | fixUp: you might wanna add lvm to that mix too |
| 12:44.21 | flourish | well, they are -- and ${i#-ren} part |
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| 12:44.37 | fixUp | valdyn: I'm not really familiar with lvm whats the advanatage ? |
| 12:45.05 | g0rAngA | flourish: That's just the bash way of performing actions in a loop. for x in <list>; do commands; [commands]; done |
| 12:45.08 | valdyn | fixUp: when i need to move data to new storge, because im out of room or i just want new / faster / bigger disks |
| 12:45.31 | valdyn | fixUp: then i power down, plug in new disks, boot up, and live - migrate the lvm volumes to new storage |
| 12:45.42 | valdyn | fixUp: thats one advantage |
| 12:45.53 | flourish | g0rAngA: yes, i understand the for loop but what does -- mean? |
| 12:46.30 | valdyn | fixUp: thats 5 minutes downtime for migrating however much i want |
| 12:46.31 | themill | g0rAngA: helps protect against filenames that start with a - |
| 12:46.55 | g0rAngA | The '--' tell mv to stop interpreting more arguments as switches. since the file name starts with '-ren', it might get confused otherwise. |
| 12:47.35 | valdyn | fixUp: now its even possible to do all this without a reboot, but you'd want the proper drive bays for that too, which i dont have |
| 12:47.36 | phogg | and the rest is bash parameter substitution |
| 12:47.47 | flourish | g0rAngA: thanks. I got it from the bash manual. Well, maybe i need to print the bash manual and read for 2~3 times:-) |
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| 12:48.20 | phogg | flourish: -- and ${#...} stuff has nothing to do with for loops. |
| 12:48.52 | valdyn | fixUp: this is possible to some extent with just raid1 too, naturally, but with alot less flexibility |
| 12:49.02 | fixUp | valdyn: that sounds good, will it work with RAID-1 too ? |
| 12:49.08 | themill | g0rAngA: $i should be in quotes too, though "$i". (actually, I'd just use "rename" instead) |
| 12:49.13 | valdyn | fixUp: sure |
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| 12:49.44 | flourish | :-) |
| 12:50.41 | phogg | themill: mmv would be my choice. Globbing is usually enough, no need for regex |
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| 12:50.56 | g0rAngA | themill: personally, I'd probably throw together a quick perl script instead. The syntax is much easier to follow that way. |
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| 12:51.49 | redguy | Hi, I am trying to connect a USB HD to winxp running inside kvm. When i run kvm i get: http://pastebin.org/55772 . Is it possible that this is due to udev loading modules that somehow block the device? Or is it simply beacause of wrong permissions? |
| 12:52.01 | phogg | g0rAngA: rename(1) depending on distribution may be just such a perl script, generalized. |
| 12:53.28 | Ziarkaen | During installation, I used tasksel to install the 'file-server'. After realising that this had too much functionality for me, I ran 'task-sel remove file-server' as root. This ran fine, but dpkg.log shows 'status half-installed smbfs' or suchlike. The daemon scripts remain in /etc/rc2.d/, and I believe the programs are still on my system. Coming from Archlinux, a package is either installed or not installed. Can someone |
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| 12:55.47 | groulder | who here can talk to me about version control with aptitude |
| 12:56.03 | abrotman | version control of what? |
| 12:56.37 | groulder | let me run a scenario by you |
| 12:56.40 | groulder | i install a package |
| 12:56.48 | groulder | it completely fucks everything |
| 12:56.56 | groulder | how would i revert to the previous system |
| 12:57.12 | groulder | system=version |
| 12:57.17 | groulder | sorry previous version of the package |
| 12:57.20 | hark | Ziarkaen: pastebin output of aptitude search ~tfile-server |
| 12:57.59 | abrotman | groulder: if it's not in your package cache, currently you have no fix usually |
| 12:58.01 | hark | groulder: aptitude install packagename=version |
| 12:58.15 | abrotman | groulder: if you need a stable system, run Stable |
| 12:58.26 | phogg | aptitude remove packagename ; aptitude install packagename=version |
| 12:58.26 | groulder | i do use stable |
| 12:58.31 | greenmang0 | hello friends.. i just installed "gcc-4.3" on Debian Stable.. it gives error -> error: stdio.h: No such file or directory |
| 12:58.32 | phogg | if it;'s still there |
| 12:58.41 | groulder | but my issue is what if i upgrade a package and it introduced behaviour i don't like |
| 12:58.45 | abrotman | groulder: then you shouldn't have new versions hosing a box |
| 12:59.00 | abrotman | greenmang0: aptitude install build-essential |
| 12:59.14 | themill | groulder: that's not what happens with stable; /msg dpkg stable |
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| 12:59.15 | phogg | groulder: are you perhaps upgrading from an old stable version to a new stable version? |
| 12:59.27 | groulder | nothing's broken. i'm just asking. |
| 12:59.32 | groulder | ok so i didn't realise |
| 12:59.42 | groulder | with stable no new features or mods will be introduced right? |
| 12:59.52 | abrotman | groulder: the scenario you're describing happens with unstable, and sometimes testing |
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| 13:00.03 | groulder | so i can safely do an upgrade of a package without worrying if it's going to affect the functionality of the program? |
| 13:00.11 | phogg | groulder: no |
| 13:00.11 | abrotman | groulder: they will be introduced when a few version of 'stable' is released |
| 13:00.30 | Ziarkaen | hark: pastebin.com/f235e5f75 |
| 13:00.37 | groulder | phogg, so what the hell am i supposed to do then? |
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| 13:00.41 | phogg | groulder: you should research it yourself first. What version do you have? What is the new version? Go to the program's website and check what got changed. |
| 13:00.42 | abrotman | groulder: but a major release hasn't happened since February .. |
| 13:00.54 | phogg | groulder: if you don't like it, don't change |
| 13:00.56 | themill | phogg: the program's website won't tell you anything |
| 13:01.07 | phogg | themill: depends on the program |
| 13:01.11 | phogg | usually there's a changelog |
| 13:01.19 | groulder | i'm talking about running stable and periodically doing an aptitude upgrade |
| 13:01.20 | greenmang0 | abrotman: there's another Debian Stable system on which build-essential is not installed but I am able to compile same program |
| 13:01.21 | abrotman | phogg: so vim.org will tell me about the debian package changes ? |
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| 13:01.22 | themill | phogg: we're talking about *stable* here |
| 13:01.36 | heroxbd | hi. When I use the debian package emacs-gtk, can I force emacs to run in console? I tried it, but emacs always attempt to find an X DISPLAY to run. Is there an command line option to achieve this? |
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| 13:01.49 | phogg | themill: sounds like he's going from olstable->stable with sources pointed at "stable" |
| 13:01.56 | hark | greenmang0: do you have libc6-dev installed there? |
| 13:02.04 | themill | phogg: he's not doing anything. He's talking hypotheticals. |
| 13:02.04 | abrotman | greenmang0: that's a metapackage .. is libc6-dev installed on both ? |
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| 13:02.50 | greenmang0 | hark: yeah |
| 13:03.05 | phogg | abrotman: no, but Debian doesn't tend to add or remove features for most software it packages. If it was added to vim chances are that version of vim as packaged by Debian will have it. |
| 13:03.09 | greenmang0 | abrotman: on 1st system libc6-dev is not installed... let me install it :) |
| 13:03.22 | abrotman | phogg: perhaps you should read his questions again |
| 13:03.45 | groulder | phogg is unhelpful |
| 13:03.46 | groulder | remove him |
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| 13:03.49 | themill | phogg: we're talking about revisions to debian stable packages here. I think you missed the point of the question (once it finally arrived amongst all the ENTERS) |
| 13:03.50 | phogg | themill: I don't see a hypothetical. I see an upset user who got himself into trouble. |
| 13:04.01 | Ziarkaen | So, is it intended that when I remove a package, its daemon startup scripts are left behind? And purge clears these? |
| 13:04.05 | hark | Ziarkaen: the c means that the package has been removed but config files still remain. aptitude purge ~tfile-server will remove it |
| 13:04.06 | greenmang0 | abrotman: oh... installation of libc6-dev is asking me to downgrade truckload of packages... |
| 13:04.11 | aeg | is there a way to find out what files are opened while apache is running ? |
| 13:04.15 | themill | phogg: [12:59] <groulder> nothing's broken. i'm just asking. |
| 13:04.22 | hark | !tell Ziarkaen about purge |
| 13:04.29 | phogg | themill: forgive me if I missed that one. |
| 13:04.30 | abrotman | greenmang0: been mixing versions of debian ? |
| 13:04.56 | greenmang0 | abrotman: nope... both systems are running debian stable lenny 5.0.3 |
| 13:04.59 | themill | phogg: np. As I said, it was amongst all the ENTERs.... |
| 13:05.00 | heroxbd | aeg: lsof? |
| 13:05.06 | groulder | so guys, let me explain further |
| 13:05.13 | abrotman | greenmang0: apt-cache policy libc6-dev .. on both machines .. use a pastebin |
| 13:05.21 | greenmang0 | abrotman: ok |
| 13:05.27 | groulder | at work, i'm responsible for the monthly ms windows updates to all our serves. and i've been given the task of updating the debian fleet at teh same time. |
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| 13:05.32 | Ziarkaen | hark: Thanks, where I come from we do things differently, but I need your stability now :) |
| 13:05.49 | abrotman | groulder: hopefully you're doing this more than monthly (for both OSes) |
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| 13:06.07 | groulder | well since ms only release their security updates once a month. |
| 13:06.11 | groulder | no i'm doing it monthly |
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| 13:06.54 | abrotman | groulder: they're not strictly on a monthly schedule anymore |
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| 13:07.05 | abrotman | but not the channel for that discussion |
| 13:07.15 | greenmang0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/52021/ |
| 13:07.18 | felix__ | hi, a simple question: how outdated is debian old-stable? i suppose it has minimal bugs right? |
| 13:07.23 | aeg | my apache keeps segfaulting if i just access the simple 'it works'.hrml .. i just installed apache2 from src but that did not fix it |
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| 13:07.39 | aeg | hrml = html |
| 13:07.47 | abrotman | segfaulting when ? |
| 13:08.28 | aeg | the child process get a seg 11 fault when i try to access a page |
| 13:08.30 | abrotman | greenmang0: and when you try to install libc6-dev .. what does it want to dowgrade ? |
| 13:08.55 | aeg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:09.21 | greenmang0 | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/52022/ |
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| 13:10.04 | abrotman | greenmang0: you've been mixing versions of debian |
| 13:10.08 | felix__ | hi, a simple question: how outdated is debian old-stable? i suppose it has minimal bugs right? |
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| 13:10.23 | greenmang0 | abrotman: oh.. that openoffice is 3.0 |
| 13:10.27 | valdyn | felix__: minimal compared to what? |
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| 13:10.30 | abrotman | greenmang0: it looks like you tried to switch to unstable to install openoffice and then switch back |
| 13:10.58 | felix__ | valczir, i have a little bug with compiz in testing |
| 13:11.10 | fluke | can anyone tell me does this patch go into the xorg.conf http://www.phoronix.net/downloads/rv770-4850-4870-id.patch |
| 13:11.17 | abrotman | felix__: oldstable or stable ? |
| 13:11.23 | valdyn | felix__: so? |
| 13:11.26 | felix__ | oldstable |
| 13:11.36 | abrotman | fluke: no |
| 13:11.45 | valdyn | felix__: you think you can get compiz run better using oldstable? |
| 13:11.50 | abrotman | fluke: it tells you the file names it's going to change |
| 13:11.53 | felix__ | valczir, so i suppose a earlyer version would have lesser bugs |
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| 13:12.02 | valdyn | felix__: thats nonsense |
| 13:12.09 | felix__ | valczir, i dunno, thats why im asking |
| 13:12.18 | greenmang0 | abrotman: nope.. may be the ex-admin has done that |
| 13:12.35 | fluke | abrotman: o ok, i guess i should give up then, i installed fglrx all went good but still no input display to get into X |
| 13:12.49 | greenmang0 | abrotman: that means i will have to downgrade those packages... right? |
| 13:12.51 | abrotman | greenmang0: you're going to have to let it downgrade those packages if you really want to get your compiler working .. and it's going to downgrade your libc6 .. hopefully nothing implodes |
| 13:13.05 | abrotman | greenmang0: or you can move your box to unstable |
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| 13:13.19 | greenmang0 | abrotman: no.. i will better downgrade it |
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| 13:13.49 | felix__ | valczir, abrotman the bug i had with compiz was: when rotating the cube by moving a window to the edge of the screen, cube freezes a while when rotating |
| 13:13.57 | abrotman | fluke: those patches are old .. they should be in xorg by now |
| 13:14.05 | felix__ | valczir, abrotman the bug i had with compiz was: when rotating the cube by moving a window to the edge of the screen, cube freezes a while when rotation ends |
| 13:14.09 | abrotman | felix__: i don't use compiz .. i think valdyn was asking ? |
| 13:14.39 | fluke | abrotman: o ok, i might try one last thing, ive read that if i boot up puppy i can copy its xorg.conf and paste it into the debian one, worth a shot |
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| 13:14.57 | felix__ | i was using intel 865g with intel driver and aiglx enabled |
| 13:15.33 | fluke | abrotman: have you ever heard of my issue before? |
| 13:16.02 | abrotman | fluke: i'd probably try squeeze again |
| 13:16.13 | abrotman | fluke: but as i said before, i don't have ati hardware |
| 13:16.19 | fluke | aye |
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| 13:18.06 | fluke | anyone have a 4870 working with lenny? |
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| 13:21.31 | Ziarkaen | Why the hell does "aptitude install ssh" try to install X11?... |
| 13:22.08 | abrotman | it doesn't |
| 13:23.21 | Ziarkaen | On lenny, that command targets 'x11-common' and 'libx11-data' |
| 13:23.53 | hark | Ziarkaen: it's because of xauth |
| 13:24.18 | Ziarkaen | hark: X11 tunneling over ssh? |
| 13:24.39 | Ziarkaen | hark: It's very hard tryign to install a minimal server... :/ |
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| 13:25.42 | hark | Ziarkaen: it's a recommends. you can avoid it if you're sure you don't need it. aptitude install openssh-server -R |
| 13:26.38 | hark | !tell Ziarkaen -about apt recommends |
| 13:27.47 | abrotman | Ziarkaen: and that is not X11 .. aptitude -R install ssh if you really just can't have those packages installed (even though it's not X) |
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| 13:30.05 | fluke | woot finally got debian working after 3 days, it ended up being my xorg.conf, just copied mint's one and it worked :S |
| 13:31.09 | hark | !tell Ziarkaen about reference |
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| 13:36.38 | alkisg | I ssh'ed to my server, tried to copy a big file to another server via nfs, and then my ssh connection broke. Now when I log on I can see the copy process but I can't kill it, not even with kill -9. I can't even reboot the server remotely. Any ideas? |
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| 13:37.22 | abrotman | is it actually doing anything? |
| 13:37.33 | alkisg | I don't think it's still copying |
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| 13:37.44 | alkisg | The process started 15 hours ago |
| 13:38.00 | alkisg | I can run anything I want with a new ssh shell |
| 13:38.19 | alkisg | But if I try to reboot, it sends a signal "the system will reboot now" but doesn't actually reboot |
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| 13:38.35 | JPT | probably the kernel is busy with something |
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| 13:39.23 | abrotman | alkisg: what is the actual process state? which versino of debian is this? |
| 13:40.18 | alkisg | JPT: ok, but can't I force a reboot from ssh? It's been busy for 15 hours now... |
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| 13:40.49 | JPT | maybe you need to force the unload of a certain module (if nfs is one) |
| 13:40.49 | alkisg | abrotman: how can I see the process state? this is from ps -ef: devs 5345 1 0 00:15 ? 00:00:01 cp file.iso /nfsshare/ |
| 13:41.04 | abrotman | alkisg: tried restarting NFS on the server ? |
| 13:41.04 | alkisg | Ah, good idea, trying... |
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| 13:41.25 | alkisg | I don't have access to the nfs server, but I can restart the client (= MY server) |
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| 13:42.05 | abrotman | and they're both running Debian ? |
| 13:42.16 | alkisg | I think the nfs server is freebsd |
| 13:42.47 | abrotman | and your server? |
| 13:43.10 | alkisg | sidux |
| 13:43.40 | abrotman | alkisg: please ask #sidux on irc.oftc.net |
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| 13:43.57 | alkisg | ok, thanks |
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| 13:45.38 | fixUp | I am trying to setup up a debian server running stable, however in the apt.conf file it lists lenny as the repositories, what will happen when the future stable is no longer lenny ? |
| 13:45.44 | alkisg | Ah, reboot -fp did it. Thanks all. |
| 13:46.50 | abrotman | fixUp: that's the preferred way .. that way you don't get an abrupt half-done upgrade when squeeze is released as stable |
| 13:47.28 | redguy | Hi, I am trying to connect a USB HD to winxp running inside kvm. When i run kvm i get: http://pastebin.org/55772 . Is it possible that this is due to udev loading modules that somehow block the device? |
| 13:47.48 | fixUp | abrotman: so when squeeze becomes stable then I should upgrade apt.conf accordingly ? |
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| 13:48.19 | abrotman | fixUp: yes ... to 'squeeze' .. leaving it as 'stable' just causes havoc when the distro changes underneath you |
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| 13:48.52 | fixUp | abrotman: ok, will do thanks... |
| 13:49.34 | souffledev | who can help me with udev! |
| 13:49.45 | souffledev | horrible horrible thing called udev |
| 13:49.57 | abrotman | ask a real question |
| 13:50.15 | souffledev | hehe |
| 13:50.20 | fluke | lol |
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| 13:50.50 | souffledev | ok i want to automount my usb disks using udev |
| 13:50.54 | souffledev | how can i do so? |
| 13:51.34 | souffledev | anyone? |
| 13:51.49 | souffledev | ok how about this |
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| 13:51.51 | souffledev | KERNEL=="sd*[0-9]|dasd*[0-9]", ENV{ID_SERIAL}=="?*", \ |
| 13:51.51 | souffledev | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.54 | souffledev | ?? |
| 13:52.34 | abrotman | udev alone can't do that |
| 13:52.39 | abrotman | !tell souffledev about automout |
| 13:52.40 | abrotman | !tell souffledev about automount |
| 13:53.06 | souffledev | i've got gnome-volume-manager abrotman thanks |
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| 13:53.38 | souffledev | where's penixstrike? |
| 13:53.40 | souffledev | :D |
| 13:54.49 | souffledev | its gotta be easier than this man |
| 13:55.13 | abrotman | are you in the plugdev group? |
| 13:55.47 | souffledev | yes |
| 13:56.13 | souffledev | udevadm monitor is firing events |
| 13:56.17 | souffledev | just fyi |
| 13:56.26 | souffledev | on add/remove usb |
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| 13:58.33 | alkisg | (just reporting that `reboot -fp` didn't do the trick after all, but `echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger` did :)) |
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| 13:59.14 | EagleScreen | vlc in Debian does not play a .avi movie |
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| 14:00.50 | jpinx-eeepc | EagleScreen: it does sometimes |
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| 14:01.16 | EagleScreen | how? must I install any package? |
| 14:01.26 | karme | EagleScreen: avi is just a container - see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audio_Video_Interleave and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_format_(digital) |
| 14:02.09 | alkisg | EagleScreen: try running: file my-video.avi |
| 14:02.15 | EagleScreen | it is played with xine, but not with VLC, I like VLC |
| 14:02.19 | alkisg | It should tell you some basic stuff about its contents... |
| 14:02.19 | hark | EagleScreen: debian-multimedia ffmpeg packages and vlc are mostly not compatible |
| 14:02.28 | mesaGL | bingo |
| 14:02.42 | mesaGL | libav* are broken in marillat |
| 14:03.04 | abrotman | EagleScreen: did you install the w32codecs ? |
| 14:03.17 | EagleScreen | yes |
| 14:03.38 | abrotman | which is probably why it works in xine .. you need to find the actual format of the movie |
| 14:03.44 | abrotman | and no, it's not AVI |
| 14:05.47 | EagleScreen | RIFF (little-endian) data, AVI, 576 x 240, 25.00 fps, video: DivX 4, audio: MPEG-1 Layer 3 (stereo, 44100 Hz) |
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| 14:06.50 | mesaGL | that's either a brilliant refutation, or an audacious lie ... |
| 14:07.40 | EagleScreen | any idea? |
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| 14:09.16 | mesaGL | EagleScreen: i think hark had an idea. have you got him on /ignore ? |
| 14:09.58 | EagleScreen | may be.. |
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| 14:10.06 | souffledev | udev gurus need help! |
| 14:10.12 | jelly-home | EagleScreen: which vlc package version, which Debian release? Is the file freely available somewhere to test? |
| 14:10.33 | EagleScreen | it is Debian 5.0.3 |
| 14:10.47 | jelly-home | judd: versions vlc-nox |
| 14:10.48 | judd | jelly-home: vlc-nox -- etch: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch2 etch-security: 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-5.1+etch3 lenny: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 lenny-security: 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 squeeze: 1.0.2-1 sid: 1.0.3-1 |
| 14:11.02 | jelly-home | eh, 0.8.6.h |
| 14:11.08 | EagleScreen | vlc 0.8.6.h-4+lenny2 |
| 14:11.40 | hark | EagleScreen: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548989#10 |
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| 14:12.05 | souffledev | udev gurus! need help http://paste.pocoo.org/show/152062/ |
| 14:12.28 | superjet_busy | EagleScreen: vlc sucks in debian both stable and testing, just stick to mplayer from debian-muliti |
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| 14:12.43 | souffledev | i use mplayer everywhere |
| 14:12.44 | souffledev | :D |
| 14:12.48 | jelly-home | upstream has their own build, but for sid |
| 14:12.51 | souffledev | previously was xine then it sucked ass |
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| 14:13.20 | souffledev | udev gurus! need help http://paste.pocoo.org/show/152062/ |
| 14:13.31 | jelly-home | !tell souffledev -about repeat |
| 14:13.45 | souffledev | alright alright |
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| 14:14.17 | souffledev | anyone feeling kind? |
| 14:14.30 | EagleScreen | i will continue using xine-ui |
| 14:14.38 | souffledev | actually extra extra kind :D |
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| 14:15.14 | binrapt | I am having problems with a low RAM server, it has only 1 GiB of RAM available, top says "Mem: 1009652k total, 987268k used, 22384k free, 40236k buffers" so pretty much all if appears to be used. I sorted the apps in sudo top by pmem usage and it doesn't appear to add up to more than 200 MiB - where do the other 700 MiB come from? Is this a good thing or a bad thing? Is this heavy caching? |
| 14:15.45 | tensorpudding | is it performing poorly? |
| 14:15.50 | d1b | binrapt: only 1gib of ram? .... that's a lot |
| 14:16.09 | souffledev | has anyone tried chrome? |
| 14:16.18 | d1b | souffledev: yes :P |
| 14:16.19 | binrapt | tensorpudding yes, when I'm torrenting stuff |
| 14:16.22 | binrapt | swaps heavily |
| 14:16.22 | souffledev | d1b, hey! |
| 14:16.27 | binrapt | As far as I could tell |
| 14:16.30 | d1b | it can't block ads so it isn't very useful. |
| 14:16.38 | souffledev | d1b, dude, just tried udev restart and chrome crashesd :D |
| 14:16.44 | tensorpudding | my machine has 1gib of ram, it is using about 300 according to htop, but free suggests that it's all allocated, and it runs fine |
| 14:16.47 | d1b | odd.. |
| 14:16.47 | souffledev | so much for fooking google-chrome |
| 14:17.02 | tensorpudding | google chrome is fine |
| 14:17.12 | tensorpudding | it's kinda wobbly though |
| 14:17.15 | d1b | binrapt: is it cached or is it mostly used by things. |
| 14:17.20 | binrapt | Oh htop is funky |
| 14:17.23 | tensorpudding | but less problematic than firefox |
| 14:17.25 | souffledev | d1b, do you get same behaivour as mine? |
| 14:17.28 | binrapt | d1b: I have no idea!~ |
| 14:17.36 | souffledev | d1b, try udev restart |
| 14:17.37 | d1b | souffledev: no idea :) i don't use it :P |
| 14:17.38 | binrapt | I don't know how to find out where those 600+ MiB went either |
| 14:17.48 | souffledev | tensorpudding, try udev restart and see if chrome crashes |
| 14:17.48 | jelly-home | binrapt: pastebin the output of free. Do you see swap activity in "vmstat 1" output? |
| 14:17.52 | souffledev | d1b, ok man.. |
| 14:17.52 | d1b | binrapt: free -m and pastebin it |
| 14:17.57 | d1b | so we can actually see it properly |
| 14:18.12 | binrapt | htop says 196/986 MiB of memory usage |
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| 14:18.19 | binrapt | Apparently I fail at using top? |
| 14:18.23 | d1b | souffledev: firefsck works for me :) |
| 14:18.27 | jelly-home | !free |
| 14:18.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. Easier in French, or 'free beer' = gratuit / 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:") and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:"), see also <free ram>. |
| 14:18.32 | souffledev | d1b, yeah its the usual kid in the town |
| 14:18.34 | jelly-home | !free ram |
| 14:18.35 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 14:18.43 | souffledev | d1b, one that gets your work done every fooking day |
| 14:18.55 | binrapt | Hmmm htop is fantastic |
| 14:19.18 | binrapt | htop actually displays the physical memory consumed by applications instead of cached files etc I presume? |
| 14:19.31 | tensorpudding | souffledev: udev restart did not mess with chrome |
| 14:19.32 | binrapt | As in, working sets? |
| 14:19.42 | souffledev | d1b, trying to get udev running man.. can't figure out |
| 14:19.51 | souffledev | tensorpudding, ahh nice what release is that? |
| 14:20.43 | tensorpudding | it's the alpha build 4.0.249.0 (Official Build 32041) |
| 14:20.58 | tensorpudding | according to about:version |
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| 14:21.54 | souffledev | right |
| 14:22.26 | hoo-hah | say when squeeze is frozen, would packages like bitlbee and rxvt-unicode not currently in Squeeze make it's way there soon before squeeze is released as [stable]? |
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| 14:22.43 | abrotman | hoo-hah: except squeeze is still months from being frozen |
| 14:22.45 | hoo-hah | or will squeeze (stable) be without either package |
| 14:22.47 | souffledev | tensorpudding, odd -> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/152064/ |
| 14:23.08 | hoo-hah | abrotman: so it's too early to tell regarding either package? |
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| 14:23.34 | tensorpudding | that is odd |
| 14:23.42 | abrotman | hoo-hah: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing |
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| 14:24.28 | tensorpudding | that's not the same one that I'm using, I don't think |
| 14:24.32 | tensorpudding | mine is installed in /opt |
| 14:24.47 | d1b | hoo-hah: wait isn't bitlbee in squeeze? |
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| 14:26.48 | hoo-hah | d1b: no |
| 14:27.05 | hoo-hah | abrotman: yeah, I've seen the q&a on both packages. |
| 14:27.18 | hoo-hah | Just wondering about procedure |
| 14:27.21 | abrotman | q and a ? |
| 14:27.30 | d1b | !qa |
| 14:27.30 | dpkg | [qa] Quality Assurance. Debian Quality Assurance: http://qa.debian.org/ http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org debian-qa@lists.debian.org #debian-qa on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 14:27.42 | hoo-hah | *qa |
| 14:28.02 | abrotman | i know what QA is .. i was curious about Q&A :) |
| 14:28.23 | hoo-hah | :) |
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| 14:30.58 | kindlychung | hi |
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| 14:31.38 | kindlychung | I have a file list in a txt file, and I want to mv all the files listed on the txt file, what should i do? |
| 14:32.52 | JPT | cat file | xargs rm |
| 14:32.54 | JPT | i think |
| 14:32.59 | hoo-hah | kindlychung: to one location? |
| 14:33.04 | hoo-hah | rm might not be useful here :) |
| 14:33.08 | hoo-hah | unless preceeded by cp |
| 14:33.10 | JPT | (no warranty for data loss) |
| 14:33.34 | jelly-hme | kindlychung: JPT's suggestion won't work if the file names contain spaces |
| 14:33.52 | kindlychung | YES |
| 14:34.15 | _SKiTZO | if i drop to a shell during initramfs |
| 14:34.22 | _SKiTZO | how can i resume after fixing the problems? |
| 14:34.31 | SUNNYNARULA18 | kindlychung: use a while read loop |
| 14:34.33 | _SKiTZO | the kernel drops to a shell when no root device is found |
| 14:34.40 | jelly-hme | !using find |
| 14:34.40 | dpkg | i guess using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind, or "man find" |
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| 14:34.54 | kindlychung | SUNNYNARULA18, how? |
| 14:35.00 | jelly-hme | the above mentions some of precautions for find/xargs |
| 14:35.17 | shattered | _SKiTZO: type 'reboot', probably |
| 14:35.36 | jelly-hme | kindlychung: you may, however, use his solution with a little munging... replace all the newline characaters in the file with |
| 14:35.46 | jelly-hme | kindlychung: \0, and then use xargs |
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| 14:35.57 | SUNNYNARULA18 | kindlychung: while read - r line ; do mv "$line" "$destination" ; done <filelist.txt |
| 14:36.04 | _SKiTZO | shattered: if i reboot my fixes wont stick |
| 14:36.18 | _SKiTZO | i am actually using the shell to fix the problem |
| 14:36.18 | _SKiTZO | then i want the kernel to "try again" |
| 14:36.35 | hoo-hah | kindlychung: it depends on the filenames |
| 14:36.45 | hoo-hah | else we're all just guessing at what's easiest |
| 14:36.51 | jelly-hme | kindlychung: something like cat file | tr '\n' '\0' | xargs -0 echo mv --target-directory=somewhere |
| 14:37.32 | jelly-hme | kindlychung: the suggestion above is declawed... remove that "echo" once you're satisfied it produces correct commands |
| 14:37.48 | kindlychung | ok, guys, i'll try the two solutions one by one. |
| 14:38.06 | jelly-hme | it's your data! |
| 14:38.11 | hoo-hah | and then report back to ##linux, or #bash :) |
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| 14:39.26 | kindlychung | SUNNYNARULA18, I guess I should replace $destination with the real destination? |
| 14:39.42 | ojo | hey, my new server doesn't recognize a new hard disc I put into it. the computer has no idea it is in there. Expericence? |
| 14:39.43 | SUNNYNARULA18 | kindlychung: yeah |
| 14:39.44 | kindlychung | while keep $line as it is? |
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| 14:39.54 | SUNNYNARULA18 | yeah |
| 14:40.00 | jelly-hme | kindlychung: you can also put an echo before mv in that solution, to see what would happen |
| 14:40.41 | abrotman | or go ask #bash for help with scripting |
| 14:41.06 | jelly-hme | suspects the space between - and r will bite kindlychung in the ass |
| 14:41.08 | d1b | find all your bases and chown them :P |
| 14:41.54 | SUNNYNARULA18 | jelly-hme you should have pointed that earlier...before he makes a mistake |
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| 14:42.12 | hoo-hah | kindlychung: visiting #bash is a great idea as they can then promptly point you in the direction of some FAQs that we don't have handy |
| 14:42.20 | kindlychung | bash: read: `-': not a valid identifier |
| 14:42.20 | Kyrterz | hi, how can i run traceroute in debian? |
| 14:42.22 | SUNNYNARULA18 | kindlychung: while read -r line ; do mv "$line" "$destination" ; done <filelist.txt |
| 14:42.27 | abrotman | Kyrterz: traceroute |
| 14:42.38 | jelly-hme | SUNNYNARULA18: I suggested to use echo mv instead of blindly using a potentially destructive command. |
| 14:42.48 | hoo-hah | Kyrterz: get the package |
| 14:42.50 | Kyrterz | okie |
| 14:43.00 | kindlychung | it worked. |
| 14:43.04 | kindlychung | perfectly. |
| 14:43.10 | jelly-hme | SUNNYNARULA18: also, listening to random people on irc without understanding is always trouble\ |
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| 14:43.28 | hoo-hah | kindlychung: he just owned your box |
| 14:43.56 | kindlychung | it's okay, i understand there is always risk. |
| 14:44.02 | SUNNYNARULA18 | jelly-hme: true...thats what know what you are doing |
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| 14:45.18 | SUNNYNARULA18 | nobody's perfect...everyone makes mistakes and you dont want to be a victim of other's mistake |
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| 14:46.43 | ootput | SUNNYNARULA18: I've noticed that you've copped a bit of flak yourself in #bash |
| 14:46.50 | kindlychung | okay, guys. I don't blame anybody, this is a process of learning for me, mistakes are inevitable. |
| 14:47.18 | SUNNYNARULA18 | ootput: flak?? whats that |
| 14:47.45 | hoo-hah | colloquialism |
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| 14:48.41 | hoo-hah | is there a way to compare versions available in squeeze and sid, without having both referenced in sources? |
| 14:49.03 | hoo-hah | would the package site have that feature? |
| 14:49.12 | d1b | hoo-hah: probably :P |
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| 14:49.34 | karme | hoo-hah: there is a bot in here providing that feature |
| 14:49.52 | hoo-hah | d1b: like a side by side analysis. I'd like to sort out which packages (versions) are available in both < list_of_packages |
| 14:50.02 | SUNNYNARULA18 | ootput: perhaps i have been learning while being in #bash |
| 14:50.05 | hoo-hah | karme: neat |
| 14:50.20 | d1b | hoo-hah: no idea :P |
| 14:51.00 | ootput | hoo-hah: it may just be easier to temporarily activate sid repo, and use existing tools to sift through the mess |
| 14:51.09 | ootput | a bit of scripting would be needed |
| 14:51.36 | SUNNYNARULA18 | ootput: and i dont think i have only made mistakes while in #bash but helped too...perhaps you were not there an hour ago... |
| 14:51.42 | hoo-hah | yeah. I saw a shell script published online before, but didn't think to save it |
| 14:52.18 | kindlychung | kaiyin@kaiyin-laptop:~/cloud$ cat /tmp/sed-cut | tr '\n' '\0' |xargs -0 mv --target-directory\=/home/kaiyin/cloud/sed_and_awk_2nd_edition |
| 14:52.18 | kindlychung | mv: cannot stat `': No such file or directory |
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| 14:52.52 | ootput | SUNNYNARULA18: or take it to PM if that helps |
| 14:52.54 | karme | !versions dpkg |
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| 14:56.24 | jelly-home | kindlychung: no empty lines allowed in the input file |
| 14:57.14 | karme | judd: versions dpkg |
| 14:57.15 | judd | karme: dpkg -- etch: 1.13.26 lenny: 1.14.25 squeeze: 1.15.4.1 sid: 1.15.5.2 |
| 14:57.15 | kindlychung | but with tr '\n' '\0', i think there would be no blank line |
| 14:57.40 | kindlychung | and have a look at the echo |
| 14:57.48 | kindlychung | mv --target-directory=/home/kaiyin/cloud/sed_and_awk_2nd_edition appb.sgm.pdf appc.sgm.pdf ch00.sgm.pdf ch01.sgm.pdf ch02.sgm.pdf ch03.sgm.pdf ch04.sgm.pdf ch05.sgm.pdf ch06.sgm.pdf ch07.sgm.pdf ch08.sgm.pdf ch09.sgm.pdf ch10.sgm.pdf ch11.sgm.pdf ch12.sgm.pdf ch13.sgm.pdf dedic.troff.pdf index.pdf toc.pdf appa.sgm.pdf readme.txt ä¸è½½è¯´æ.HTM |
| 14:57.53 | ootput | oh god |
| 14:58.01 | d1b | ootput: NOOOO |
| 14:58.26 | Kyrterz | what is the command to check connection connected? |
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| 14:58.53 | ootput | Kyrterz: you're going to have to be more specific |
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| 14:59.08 | d1b | Kyrterz: ifconfig ? |
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| 14:59.23 | Kyrterz | ootput: user connected through port 80 |
| 14:59.45 | ootput | netstat should work |
| 14:59.58 | kindlychung | jelly-home, there WAS a blank line at the end of the txt file. |
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| 15:00.14 | kindlychung | I removed it, and your solution worked perfectly. |
| 15:00.27 | kindlychung | Thank you. |
| 15:01.08 | Kyrterz | ootput: what is the command to check weather i'm on 10mbits ethernet or 100mbits ? |
| 15:02.33 | jelly-home | now do it with awk! |
| 15:03.07 | ootput | Kyrterz: there's ethtool |
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| 15:03.55 | ootput | there's a similar tool whose name escapes me, but they're essentially the same |
| 15:04.07 | kindlychung | :) |
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| 15:04.22 | kindlychung | jelly-home, I hope you are not mad at me. |
| 15:04.38 | jelly-home | uh... should I be? |
| 15:04.38 | d1b | Kyrterz: you better run. |
| 15:05.18 | kindlychung | I dare to try these methods partially because I backup my /home every day. |
| 15:05.23 | NoReflex | Hey guys. I'm using munin to check the load on two servers. it displays graphs for cpu, disk, system load, network traffic and more on days, weeks, months. Is there something equivalent that would display a realtime graph? |
| 15:05.39 | hoo-hah | kindlychung: that's overkill? |
| 15:05.54 | hoo-hah | how many potentitally-destructive shell commands do you run daily?! |
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| 15:06.35 | kindlychung | Okay, thank you for your suggestions, I guess I've learned my lesson. |
| 15:06.46 | d1b | NoReflex: mrtg ? |
| 15:07.04 | d1b | kindlychung: all your bases are belong to us. |
| 15:07.17 | d1b | erh and i mean kindlychung and not Kyrterz before. |
| 15:07.28 | NoReflex | dlb: isn't mrtg for network traffic only? |
| 15:07.48 | kindlychung | what do you mean bases? |
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| 15:08.46 | d1b | NoReflex: no. |
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| 15:08.54 | d1b | well there is also collectd. |
| 15:09.16 | paxcoder | hello. can one please explain why totem can't play ogg on the web. can't ogg stream? |
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| 15:12.43 | flo|linux | hi |
| 15:12.58 | lordkelmain | Hello flo|linux. |
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| 15:13.07 | jelly-home | hoo-hah: you might argue that all backups are overkill until the first thime you need them |
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| 15:13.28 | hoo-hah | but home- daily? |
| 15:13.31 | jelly-home | sure |
| 15:13.46 | flo|linux | i'm installing debian via netinst in textmode (ncurses) atm, and i was only prompted for some very large software groups (desktop environment, SQL database, webserver etc)... now it is downloading everything... |
| 15:13.55 | ootput | paxcoder: totem-mozilla installed? confirm appication/ogg in about:plugins |
| 15:14.03 | flo|linux | is there a way to do a finer package selection? |
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| 15:14.10 | jelly-home | hoo-hah: mine's everything-daily |
| 15:14.32 | flo|linux | or should i install the full tasks and remove unneeded software afterwards? |
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| 15:14.54 | jelly-home | flo|linux: what is the machine going to be used for? |
| 15:15.07 | hoo-hah | flo|linux: it's tasksel |
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| 15:15.12 | flo|linux | desktop/software development... |
| 15:15.22 | hoo-hah | i'd avoid it and install packages manually |
| 15:15.23 | flo|linux | a bit of music making |
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| 15:15.36 | jelly-home | flo|linux: you can unselect everything, and install stuff you want/need later. |
| 15:15.49 | flo|linux | okay... |
| 15:15.57 | flo|linux | what system will the installer give me then? |
| 15:16.03 | flo|linux | when i u nselect everything? |
| 15:16.07 | jelly-home | Debian base system. |
| 15:16.08 | flo|linux | (except base system) |
| 15:16.28 | flo|linux | is this the same system debootstrap installs? |
| 15:16.41 | flo|linux | or is the system of debootstrap more minimal? |
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| 15:17.07 | ootput | debootstrap doesn't provide locales, among others |
| 15:17.39 | flo|linux | okay... |
| 15:17.50 | paxcoder | ootput: listed under "VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Totem 2.26.3)", "File name: libtotem-cone-plugin.so" |
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| 15:18.44 | flo|linux | and, when i'm new to debian, but not new to linux, and i want to learn how a debian system works, should i begin with a desktop installation, or should i install just the base system? |
| 15:18.50 | ootput | paxcoder: I can't get into the specifics.. I use mplayer plugin :) |
| 15:19.11 | paxcoder | ootput: ok |
| 15:19.26 | ootput | paxcoder: does it not load up at all? |
| 15:19.31 | ootput | or is playback unbearable? |
| 15:19.39 | paxcoder | ootput: it wants to download it :-/ |
| 15:19.49 | paxcoder | ootput: unlike, say wmv :-S |
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| 15:20.56 | ootput | then it might just be firefox' file handler |
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| 15:21.31 | ootput | check the applications tab of preferences |
| 15:21.41 | paxcoder | ootput: i tried vlc and "movie player" - still wants to dl |
| 15:21.59 | hoo-hah | paxcoder: you've installed the -plugin packages, right? |
| 15:22.15 | paxcoder | hoo-hah: of course. as I said, works for other filetypes |
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| 15:23.48 | d_b | paxcoder: could you link to the site with the file? |
| 15:23.56 | ootput | paxcoder: likewise |
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| 15:25.19 | paxcoder | (sent to pm) that's video. it won't play that nor ogg audio |
| 15:26.05 | d_b | paxcoder: hm, it works for me. not that it helps you :) |
| 15:26.23 | paxcoder | yeah... |
| 15:26.44 | d_b | or, at least I see it, but no controls yet so not sure if it starts. Do you also see a gedit window? |
| 15:27.25 | paxcoder | video should show a gedit window when it plays, yes. but it won't even load a player for me, just offers to download. |
| 15:28.24 | ootput | works fine with gecko-mediaplayer |
| 15:29.11 | paxcoder | thx for info. will try |
| 15:29.16 | d_b | This is the action in my Iceweasel preferences: "Use VLC Multimedia Plugin (Compatible Totem 2.26.3) (In Iceweasel)" This is on Debian Squeeze btw. |
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| 15:30.32 | paxcoder | d_b: that was in mine too... *shrugs* |
| 15:31.19 | hoo-hah | would having audio locked to some other app prevent the streaming, and forcing download instead? |
| 15:31.42 | paxcoder | hoo-hah: nah |
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| 15:32.53 | paxcoder | ootput: gecko plugin didn't help... |
| 15:33.06 | paxcoder | ah, nvm. |
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| 15:36.34 | hoo-hah | what was the issue? |
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| 15:38.22 | paxcoder | hoo-hah: the (persisting) issue was explainet. |
| 15:38.22 | paxcoder | *d |
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| 15:39.51 | hoo-hah | no idea what that meant, but okay.. :P |
| 15:40.09 | hoo-hah | besides apt-get install -f, is there other ways to enseure pckage dependencies are all met? |
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| 15:41.12 | hark | hoo-hah: aptitude install -f ;) |
| 15:41.29 | hark | hoo-hah: gdebi |
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| 15:43.29 | sly007 | Hello, I have nginx, lighttpd and apache installed. I only want apache to start automatically at boot |
| 15:43.30 | hoo-hah | hark: that's per-package, though, right? |
| 15:43.33 | sly007 | what do i need to do? |
| 15:43.47 | hoo-hah | ie installing .deb file. How about system-wide dependency-check? |
| 15:43.49 | sly007 | remove /etc/init.d/nginx and lightttpd? |
| 15:44.09 | hoo-hah | sly007: no, runlevel symlinks using update-rc.d |
| 15:44.24 | flo|linux | hoo-hah, is chkconfig also supported? |
| 15:44.25 | hoo-hah | or something like rcconf |
| 15:44.49 | hark | hoo-hah: i don't get what problem you're facing. can you explain it a bit better? |
| 15:44.50 | sly007 | update-rc.d remove nginx ? |
| 15:45.18 | sullpg | sly007, install sysv-rc-conf |
| 15:45.20 | hark | flo|linux: sysv-rc-conf is very chkconfig like |
| 15:45.22 | sly007 | update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/nginx exists during rc.d purge (use -f to force) |
| 15:45.23 | sly007 | wow |
| 15:45.53 | hoo-hah | hark: well, I didn't really explain the problem at all :P I've found whilst cherrypicking packages to remove whilst in aptitude, that I'm given no error message that these packages are depended upon.. but most of these seem to be x11 or mesa related |
| 15:46.16 | hoo-hah | sly007: check the man page |
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| 15:46.47 | jelly-home | sly007: there's a bit of an issue, if you remove all the /etc/rc?.d/ symlinks, next upgrade of the package will reinstall them. You have to keep at least one (it can be a stopping /etc/rc?.d/K??* link) |
| 15:46.49 | hoo-hah | hark: apt-get|aptitude install -f show no errors, though |
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| 15:47.38 | hoo-hah | flo|linux: what do you mean? |
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| 15:47.57 | sly007 | I installed sysv-rc-conf and removed nginx and lighttpd from all run levels |
| 15:47.57 | hoo-hah | flo|linux: there exists a chkconfig package, yes |
| 15:48.02 | sly007 | should do it, right? |
| 15:48.11 | flo|linux | hoo-hah, so it's also supported..? |
| 15:48.23 | Ariel_Calzada | hi i installed debian squeeze and the file /boot/grub/menu.lst is not present. Any idea ??? |
| 15:48.35 | flo|linux | i'm familiar with chkconfig (fedora had this), so i'd like to use it, however it seems not to be the standard tool |
| 15:48.38 | hoo-hah | flo|linux: dunno how actively, but I guess so |
| 15:48.45 | flo|linux | Ariel_Calzada, create it ;)? |
| 15:48.53 | jelly-home | Ariel_Calzada: do you have "grub" package installed? |
| 15:48.57 | flo|linux | Ariel_Calzada, is there maybe a grub.conf? |
| 15:49.02 | hoo-hah | Ariel_Calzada: it's usually a symlink to grub.conf |
| 15:49.22 | hoo-hah | Ariel_Calzada: and abandoned altogether by grub2 |
| 15:49.34 | ojo | hey guys, stupid question.. On a bus-cable I have 3 connectors, one on either side and one in the middle. What the heck does that one in the middel? |
| 15:49.37 | hark | hoo-hah: that's ok, it's sufficient. you'll know when a package depends on some metapackage you need. and you won't be able to remove essential packages easily without apt warning you |
| 15:49.47 | jelly-home | ojo: which bus? |
| 15:49.56 | hoo-hah | hark: not even recommends? |
| 15:50.02 | hark | i didn't know chkconfig was in debian as well |
| 15:50.10 | hoo-hah | I've a feeling these are dependencies of recommended packages |
| 15:50.11 | ojo | jelly-home: well, sutch a standard flat gray cable in a computer |
| 15:50.19 | hark | hoo-hah: no, not recommends |
| 15:50.20 | jelly-home | ojo: ask in ##hardware |
| 15:50.25 | ojo | tx |
| 15:50.26 | ojo | I will |
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| 15:51.15 | jelly-home | PATA, for example, allows two drives to be connected via the same cable, ojo. SCSI allows 7 or even 15 devices. |
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| 15:51.52 | ojo | jelly-home, how can i figure out which one I have? |
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| 15:52.09 | jelly-home | ask ##hardware |
| 15:52.10 | \\BAF\IRC | anyone here familiar with the mono package in backports? |
| 15:52.46 | JPT | ojo: http://img.tomshardware.com/de/2002/07/30/ide_kurs_teil_1_grundlagen_und_technik_im_detail/cables1.jpg <-- scsi, ide and floppy |
| 15:53.03 | ojo | tx guy's you're really helpfull |
| 15:53.40 | hippomikko | Hi I'm having problem with Apache and Virtualhosts. I followed this tutorial on Etch but now I'm on Lenny and I can't make it work. Did I miss something or did Lenny change something on Apache? |
| 15:53.48 | hippomikko | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 |
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| 15:54.11 | jelly-home | hippomikko: if you had used apache2 on etch, not much has changed. |
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| 15:56.15 | xyan | working at the mysql shell and pressing ctrl+w usually end up deleteing the line up to the next cutchar (as it works on a regular shell). oddly that behaviour changed and it deletes the whole line. how can i change it back to the old behaviour? |
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| 15:56.59 | hippomikko | jelly-home, hmm... I can't remember what I did on Etch that's different from Lenny. Maybe a "Linux permission system" problem. I'm gonna try and put everything in "/var/www" instead and come back later :-) |
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| 16:02.05 | souffledev | d1b, dude, you good at udev? |
| 16:02.34 | _klamath_ | just installed debian 5.03, the problem is that fan is going, always to 100%, installed fancontrol and configured with pwmconfig, but the fan fan is without control; any clue ? ( in opensuse and elive, at boot, when X starts, fan reduce speed ) |
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| 16:03.15 | MAd_haTTer | _klamath_: I always control the fasn via bios |
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| 16:04.20 | _klamath_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.15 | hippomikko | Does anybody else in here use "/etc/apache2/conf.d/virtual.conf" for VirtualHosts? |
| 16:06.34 | MAd_haTTer | sure why hippomikko |
| 16:06.50 | niklaswe | nope |
| 16:07.09 | jpinx-eeepc | hippomikko: do you have a debian question? |
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| 16:07.41 | x_link | Hi there! |
| 16:07.45 | x_link | I have a small problem |
| 16:07.47 | hippomikko | MAd_haTTer, jpinx-eeepc A Debian:Lenny-Apache Virtualhost question. |
| 16:08.00 | x_link | When I connect my 22" monitor to my laptop I get really bad picture on my monitor. |
| 16:08.09 | x_link | I did it with "xrandr --output VGA --auto". |
| 16:08.28 | x_link | And I have some ghostingproblems when I move the mouse. |
| 16:08.30 | jelly-home | x_link: pastebin the output of "xrandr" |
| 16:08.34 | MAd_haTTer | hippomikko: so whats the questionm...? |
| 16:08.36 | x_link | jelly-home: Okey. |
| 16:08.49 | MAd_haTTer | x_link: do you use the nvidia driver? |
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| 16:09.24 | cahoot | would xrandra work with nvidia? |
| 16:09.33 | MAd_haTTer | x_link: do you use the nvidia driver? -- if so type nvidia-settings in a shell |
| 16:09.38 | x_link | jelly-home: http://paste.ubuntu.com/324448/ |
| 16:09.48 | x_link | MAd_haTTer: No, I don't use nVIDIA-drivers. |
| 16:09.53 | hippomikko | MAd_haTTer, jpinx-eeepc OK so I get an [error] close to this: [warn] NameVirtualHost *:0 has no VirtualHosts . Do I need to switch off something if I use "NameVirtualHost *" in this file "/etc/apache2/conf.d/virtual.conf"? |
| 16:10.08 | x_link | I have a Intel X3100 graphic-card |
| 16:10.18 | jpinx-eeepc | x_link: what's the output of cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 16:10.46 | x_link | jpinx-eeepc: I use lenny |
| 16:11.28 | jelly-home | x_link: okay, please pastebin also your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf (if you have one) |
| 16:11.50 | MAd_haTTer | hippomikko: sounds like you have a virtual host directive but no virtual hosts defined |
| 16:11.51 | jelly-home | x_link: what is the monitor's native resolution? |
| 16:11.54 | x_link | jelly-home: Just cd /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
| 16:12.02 | x_link | jelly-home: 1680x1050 |
| 16:12.08 | MAd_haTTer | hippomikko: what is in /etc/apache2/site-available |
| 16:12.09 | x_link | On my 22" then |
| 16:12.16 | x_link | jelly-home: My laptop has 1280x800 |
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| 16:13.03 | x_link | jelly-home: But when I connect the monitor to my laptop it has 1280x1024 |
| 16:13.07 | jelly-home | x_link: no "cd". On a pastebin site, use the upload file in the form. |
| 16:13.24 | x_link | I cant choose 1280x800 when I connect my laptop to the monitor |
| 16:13.35 | hippomikko | MAd_haTTer, http://pastebin.com/m3c4bc6de |
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| 16:13.54 | jelly-home | x_link: paste.debian.net has a "Choose" [file] option |
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| 16:14.32 | x_link | jelly-home: Okey. will take a look |
| 16:14.35 | MAd_haTTer | hippomikko: hole on |
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| 16:17.05 | x_link | jelly-home: My answear for you was wrong, I don't use Lenny. I used to use Lenny. |
| 16:17.11 | x_link | But I will ask for help in another channel. |
| 16:17.52 | hippomikko | MAd_haTTer, this is the real [error] message I get: http://pastebin.com/m61b42330 |
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| 16:18.01 | x_link | I'm always getting more help here than my distro-channel. |
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| 16:18.13 | jelly-home | !based on debian |
| 16:18.13 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 16:18.19 | jelly-home | !they don't know |
| 16:18.19 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 16:18.53 | x_link | jelly-home: Okey, sorry man |
| 16:20.03 | hippomikko | MAd_haTTer, I think what's different from my Etch time was I used a router having 192.168.0.1 while now when I use Lenny the new router uses 192.168.1.1 |
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| 16:22.20 | haqe17 | Hi, Im having some trouble with sound on my computer, could anyone help me troubleshoot the problem |
| 16:22.50 | MAd_haTTer | hippomikko: replace the * with actual IPs and Ports |
| 16:22.58 | abrotman | haqe17: give us more details |
| 16:23.01 | MAd_haTTer | apache2 is a stickley, yet for the better |
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| 16:23.24 | MAd_haTTer | ]if you have *any* errors when you start/restart apache they should be delt with |
| 16:24.45 | haqe17 | basically, no sound is produced, though mplayer doesnt report any errors |
| 16:25.12 | cahoot | haqe17: cat /proc/asound/cars - only one? |
| 16:25.15 | cahoot | cards |
| 16:25.45 | MAd_haTTer | haqe17: try aptitude install alsa-base && alsaconf |
| 16:26.01 | cahoot | futile |
| 16:26.15 | abrotman | haqe17: which version of Debian ? |
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| 16:26.39 | haqe17 | cahoot: not sure, |
| 16:26.50 | hippomikko | MAd_haTTer, do you know of a better Apache virtualhost tutorial than this one? http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412 |
| 16:26.54 | haqe17 | cahoot: there's two lines in there both after one semi colon |
| 16:26.58 | abrotman | haqe17: which version of Debian ? |
| 16:27.02 | haqe17 | abrotman: testing |
| 16:28.09 | cahoot | haqe17: you could put the output on a pastebin |
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| 16:29.14 | MAd_haTTer | hippomikko: just to make sure... a virtual host allows you do host www.domain1.com and www.domain5.net and www.whatever.org on the same physical system, as individual web sites, ** note** a virtual host is not requiores to host www.domain.net/webapp1 www.domain.net/webapp2 www.domain.net/webapp3 |
| 16:29.33 | MAd_haTTer | you sure you want a virtual host? |
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| 16:29.37 | haqe17 | MAd_haTTer: alsa is installed, |
| 16:29.38 | elops | - /dev/md5 is reaching full capacity, how do I find large files only in that drive? |
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| 16:29.47 | MAd_haTTer | haqe17: alsaconf |
| 16:29.58 | cahoot | obsolete |
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| 16:30.46 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: jesus .. stop saying that .. |
| 16:30.48 | haqe17 | cahoot: http://pastebin.com/m53305c84 |
| 16:30.54 | MAd_haTTer | elops: find /mountpoint -size +5G |
| 16:30.58 | elops | Anyone ? |
| 16:31.23 | MAd_haTTer | might be a little different man find, or use du -h --max-depth 1 /mountpoint |
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| 16:31.43 | cahoot | haqe17: try (as root) /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 then speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 16:31.51 | MAd_haTTer | might be a little different man find, or use du -h --max-depth 1 /mountpoint/hugeDirWithLottsaGigs |
| 16:31.59 | abrotman | elops: what is /dev/md5 ? |
| 16:32.21 | hoo-hah | elops: I use ncdu -x |
| 16:32.21 | haqe17 | omg cahoot ur a genius |
| 16:32.22 | hippomikko | MAd_haTTer, um yes I guess :-) but having www.domain.net/phpmyadmin would be nice along with www.domain1.com and www.domain99.com also. |
| 16:32.35 | elops | abrotman: -/usr |
| 16:32.41 | hoo-hah | raid 5? |
| 16:32.47 | haqe17 | cahoot: what was the problem, and what did that command do? |
| 16:32.56 | abrotman | elops: you probably just have lots of packages installed |
| 16:33.11 | cahoot | haqe17: alsa-utils unmutes and sets sane levels |
| 16:33.27 | _klamath_ | just installed debian 5.03, the problem is that cpu fan is uncontrolled, runs at 100% always, installed fancontrol and configured with pwmconfig but always 100%. Tried with bios, but no ways. In opensuse and elive it is controlled at X startup |
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| 16:33.39 | iceroot_ | hippomikko: look at the apache-tutorials |
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| 16:33.42 | hippomikko | MAd_haTTer, do you put all your virtualhost root catalogs in "/var/www". Currently I'm using "~/Desktop/www" as root catalogs. |
| 16:33.46 | abrotman | _klamath_: do you have the ACPI stuff installed ? |
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| 16:34.00 | MAd_haTTer | hippomikko: you can put the files anywhere |
| 16:34.04 | MAd_haTTer | I use /var/www |
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| 16:34.20 | _klamath_ | abrotman : yes |
| 16:34.22 | iceroot_ | hippomikko: mod_userdir with virtualhost |
| 16:34.30 | MAd_haTTer | that toutorial is a good one, but you can not deviate much (aside from file paths) |
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| 16:34.55 | MAd_haTTer | you need to follow it carefully |
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| 16:35.14 | Kyrterz | what's the different between eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok & eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 16:35.24 | MAd_haTTer | fix all the < virtualhost *:*> line by hard coding them with IPs and Portds |
| 16:35.24 | oliver3 | How do I make qt4 tools the defaults instead of qt3 on Sid? :x |
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| 16:35.42 | elops | thank youuu mister abrotman |
| 16:35.48 | elops | and MAd_haTTer |
| 16:35.49 | elops | :))) |
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| 16:36.21 | oliver3 | alternatively, how do I list all the groups for update-alternatives? |
| 16:36.23 | MAd_haTTer | nods |
| 16:36.39 | ferik | Hi guys. Quick question. I foolishly experimented with a new kernel (on linode) and now that I 'rolled back', I have lots of issues installing new packages with: |
| 16:36.40 | ferik | Setting up coreutils (6.10-6) ... |
| 16:36.40 | ferik | Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.24.4) does not match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.18-6-686) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11. |
| 16:36.40 | ferik | Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/install-info line 308. |
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| 16:37.00 | ferik | sorry about the flood |
| 16:37.05 | ojo | hey, I have a intel server board (xeon) and everytime I boot the boot screen stay's on quite long. Very annoying for wake on lan... How can I accelerate this? |
| 16:37.23 | ferik | so wit stuff like this: |
| 16:37.23 | ferik | Errno architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.24.4) does not match executable architecture (i486-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.18-6-686) |
| 16:37.28 | MAd_haTTer | ojo: change your boot order |
| 16:37.29 | abrotman | ferik: where did you get that package ? |
| 16:37.36 | haqe17 | thanks, guys |
| 16:37.36 | ferik | abrotman: which ? |
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| 16:37.47 | abrotman | the one that isn't installing |
| 16:37.48 | ojo | MAd_haTTer: tx I'll try that |
| 16:37.53 | flo|linux | after the standard installation with graphics system, i have some questions: |
| 16:38.08 | Kyrterz | what's the different between eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok & eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok |
| 16:38.08 | ferik | abrotman: from the deb servers |
| 16:38.12 | flo|linux | first: debian installed gnome, but i want XFCE. however, he never asked which DE to install |
| 16:38.24 | MAd_haTTer | Kyrterz: one has flow control |
| 16:38.34 | flo|linux | also, when i boot x starts right up into a loginmanager... how does that work? |
| 16:38.39 | abrotman | flo|linux: aptitude remove gnome;aptitude install xfce4 |
| 16:38.40 | MAd_haTTer | !google eth linux flowcontrol |
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| 16:38.43 | flo|linux | (i'd like to customize that process) |
| 16:38.47 | Kyrterz | !google eth linux flowcontrol |
| 16:38.51 | abrotman | stop with the bot |
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| 16:39.00 | abrotman | go use a freaking web browser |
| 16:39.09 | flo|linux | abrotman, that's rather senseless, to first install gnome, then remove it again :/ can't i tell the binstaller that i like xfce better than gnome? |
| 16:39.18 | MAd_haTTer | hands abrotman a tissue ;) |
| 16:39.23 | valdyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_flow_control is very hard to find |
| 16:39.23 | abrotman | flo|linux: there is a CD that has XFCE on it |
| 16:39.29 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: seriously .. you're not helping |
| 16:39.37 | flo|linux | i used the netinstall cd, so there was nothing on it |
| 16:39.55 | abrotman | flo|linux: then normally you skip the tasksel and choose the packages you want later |
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| 16:40.00 | MAd_haTTer | flo|linux: I use netinstall excluisivly |
| 16:40.01 | flo|linux | well, but forget about this... i think i'll "simply" install a minimal base system and add other programs via aptitude |
| 16:40.05 | flo|linux | yeah, ok ;) |
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| 16:40.18 | flo|linux | and the other issue, how does X start up automatically? |
| 16:40.24 | abrotman | flo|linux: right .. so when it gets back to the prompt .. aptitude install xorg xfce4 gdm |
| 16:40.24 | MAd_haTTer | do not select desktop environement when you install and you will not get gnome/kde/whatever |
| 16:40.28 | abrotman | flo|linux: it's GDM |
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| 16:40.51 | MAd_haTTer | than you can install fluxbox and xwindow-server-core |
| 16:40.58 | abrotman | no |
| 16:41.00 | MAd_haTTer | or what ever manager you want |
| 16:41.01 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: just please go away |
| 16:41.08 | fluke | is compiz friendly with debian or better to stay clear? |
| 16:41.19 | abrotman | fluke: it's available as a package |
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| 16:41.38 | flo|linux | when i want to login my only user without a displaymanager directly into x, how would i do this in debian? |
| 16:41.42 | fluke | abrotman, o ok nice, just wasnt sure if debian was one of the distro's that doesnt like it so to speak |
| 16:41.50 | valdyn | fluke: not at all |
| 16:41.55 | valdyn | fluke: oops |
| 16:41.56 | abrotman | flo|linux: just don't install GDM .. aptitude install xorg xfce4 |
| 16:41.58 | valdyn | flo|linux: not at all |
| 16:42.00 | fluke | nice |
| 16:42.09 | flo|linux | i want xfce to start automatically |
| 16:42.15 | MAd_haTTer | abrotman: why? I had the same solution you did? whats the diea? |
| 16:42.16 | flo|linux | but without login- or display manager |
| 16:42.18 | abrotman | flo|linux: so you don't want to login |
| 16:42.24 | Kyrterz | both 100baseTx-HD & 100baseTx-FD which is better? |
| 16:42.35 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: WTF is wrong with you .. you didn't even read what he was asking for .. just keep quiet, you're not helping |
| 16:42.35 | flo|linux | abrotman, yep, i don't want to login manually |
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| 16:42.46 | abrotman | flo|linux: you can use GDM, it has an auto-login feature |
| 16:42.48 | flo|linux | because it's _my_ laptop nobody touches. |
| 16:42.56 | abrotman | touches flo|linux's laptop |
| 16:43.05 | fluke | lol |
| 16:43.06 | flo|linux | shoots at abrotman |
| 16:43.17 | flo|linux | abrotman, but then gdm starts. |
| 16:43.20 | flo|linux | and that costs time |
| 16:43.22 | flo|linux | that's senseless |
| 16:43.35 | abrotman | flo|linux: then you can configure the system to work in a sort of kiosk mode |
| 16:43.41 | flo|linux | a what mode? |
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| 16:43.54 | Xc0re | is away: ts. |
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| 16:44.45 | ootput | heh now he definitely is |
| 16:44.48 | abrotman | !tell Xc0re about away |
| 16:44.53 | fluke | temp or perm abrotman? |
| 16:45.18 | abrotman | which? |
| 16:45.23 | fluke | the ban on that guy |
| 16:45.30 | abrotman | does it matter? |
| 16:45.32 | flo|linux | in my current system, there's a line in the inittab that uses su to run startx as user |
| 16:45.36 | fluke | no not at all :P |
| 16:45.41 | abrotman | flo|linux: you can do it that ay |
| 16:45.43 | abrotman | that way |
| 16:45.45 | flo|linux | should i do that in debian, too, or is there a nicer way? |
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| 16:46.02 | flo|linux | ok, if nobody shoots at me when doing this, i'll do it ;) |
| 16:46.10 | ferik | abrotman: it happens with pretty much all packages, whether I install or uninstall |
| 16:46.14 | jelly-home | flo|linux: does "nicer" imply "easier"? |
| 16:46.17 | ootput | any way.. they're all insecure, anyway |
| 16:46.32 | flo|linux | jelly-home, not neccessarily... |
| 16:46.32 | abrotman | ferik: use a pastebin .. show us the whole error |
| 16:46.52 | jelly-home | flo|linux: well, in that case I guess you can configure gdm to do autologin |
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| 16:46.57 | flo|linux | however, if i would have to create my own distro, then i'd like it easy and dirty ;) |
| 16:47.06 | jelly-home | I've no idea how that is done, just know it can |
| 16:47.07 | flo|linux | jelly-home, but it sucks that gdm starts... |
| 16:47.14 | flo|linux | i don't need it, and it takes _hours_ |
| 16:47.30 | flo|linux | i know that gdm can do this... in fedora i used that feature... |
| 16:47.35 | hoo-hah | that's unlikely |
| 16:47.51 | flo|linux | well, it wasn't a actual autologin. |
| 16:47.53 | TiCPU | I built a RAID some days ago and just found out today it builds it with metadata version 0.9, I would like to use the latest version of metadata, is there a way to upgrade, else, is there a way to grow the RAID anyway, that's my final goal? |
| 16:47.56 | jelly-home | flo|linux: I guess you'll have to put more than 64MB of RAM if it takes hours, |
| 16:47.58 | flo|linux | it was a timed login with timeout set to zero... |
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| 16:48.14 | ferik | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1681050 |
| 16:48.34 | hoo-hah | flo|linux: how do you set a timed login? |
| 16:48.45 | hoo-hah | - that would affect gdm loading slowly |
| 16:48.53 | flo|linux | dunno... something in the configuration file... |
| 16:48.56 | craigevil | flo|linux: not really i use gdm with lxde and my system boots to lxde in around 30 seconds, using sid with insserv, with only 512mb ram |
| 16:49.18 | flo|linux | was the only way to do it, cause gdm was pretty unstable that time (fedora is a bit bleeding edge, and it was a very new version of gdm) |
| 16:49.22 | hoo-hah | 64 < 512, and it's guhnome |
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| 16:50.50 | ferik | abrotman: any idea? |
| 16:50.52 | flo|linux | whow, gdm seems to have improved ;) |
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| 16:50.59 | flo|linux | is there a way to login without password? |
| 16:51.03 | ootput | it probably wasn't GDM but all the other crap Gnome pulled in |
| 16:51.04 | abrotman | ferik: why do you have perl compiled in /usr/local/ ? |
| 16:51.26 | ferik | abrotman: not sure, to be honest, probably came from cpan doing so |
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| 16:51.42 | abrotman | ferik: and where did you get that package ? |
| 16:51.53 | flo|linux | as i said, it's _my_ machine so i don't need a password for local logins... only for ssh-ing (if i ever ran a sshserver xD) |
| 16:51.59 | ferik | abrotman: the package I am trying to install, just doing apt-get install |
| 16:52.24 | abrotman | ferik: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 16:53.08 | ferik | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1681054 |
| 16:53.30 | ferik | abrotman: also 'which perl' gives me /usr/bin/perl |
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| 16:53.41 | hoo-hah | mixed sources alert! |
| 16:53.43 | abrotman | wtf .. mixing sarge/lenny/unstable ? |
| 16:54.05 | abrotman | ferik: gnu-thread-multi-2.6.18-6-686) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11. |
| 16:54.16 | abrotman | debia doesn't install stuff in /usr/local/ |
| 16:54.17 | ojo | there is something wrong with my harddrive when I boot the intel boot sequence sais somthing like "amync" for that harddrive. And it has now 0 mb space accroding to boot |
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| 16:54.46 | SUNNYNARULA18 | abrotman : normally a compiling from source goes to /usr/local |
| 16:55.05 | hoo-hah | yes. but he was referring to debian packaging system |
| 16:55.23 | hoo-hah | and it's sounding more and more likely that external sources are to blame |
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| 16:55.37 | SUNNYNARULA18 | where would he get such a package |
| 16:55.46 | ferik | abrotman: ok, seems I am all snafu. Is there a way to clean it up or do I have to reinstall ? |
| 16:55.50 | hoo-hah | cpan |
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| 16:56.21 | hoo-hah | ferik: I'd confirm that those unofficial repos support lenny |
| 16:56.31 | ferik | hoo-hah: I removed them for now |
| 16:56.32 | hoo-hah | and see if you could do an upgrade from tere |
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| 16:58.17 | strange | anyone here have a 3ware raid controller? |
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| 16:58.22 | ferik | abrotman: the issue seems to be with coreutils that can't update because of the crap in /usr/local/share |
| 16:58.28 | hoo-hah | !ask |
| 16:58.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:59.13 | strange | i have a 3ware 9500s and i used tw_cli to make a raid (6x 1.5tb) but it seems to take forever to make the "initializing" took 48 hours and now it started the verify process, is this common? or is something wrong |
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| 17:02.11 | ootput | strange: what does hdparm say? |
| 17:02.30 | strange | not installed |
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| 17:02.53 | jelly-home | what would it say? "your raid controller is SLOW"? |
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| 17:03.37 | ootput | disk write speeds? 3ware profiles may not be set up for optimum performance |
| 17:03.40 | strange | well the slow part i've noticed heh, but i cant imagine this is normal so i was wondering if someone else has a 3ware and made a raid and how long it took |
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| 17:04.13 | strange | well, not optimal != 48 hours to initialize |
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| 17:05.44 | ootput | I don't have that particular model, but a combination of selecting the right storsave profile and getting latest firmware solved a problem I had a while back |
| 17:06.00 | jelly-home | strange: doesn't your 3ware specific utility give you some info about its internal cpu and bandwidth usage and settings?\ |
| 17:06.06 | ootput | again, some numbers would be good |
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| 17:06.38 | strange | AMCC/3ware CLI (version 2.00.09.012) |
| 17:08.00 | strange | the utility doesnt show cpu/bandwidth usage |
| 17:08.48 | ootput | are you able to confirm that it's not the disk(s) at fault? |
| 17:09.31 | strange | they are brand new western digital 1.5tb disks, so that'd be very unlikely also no errors regarding them anywhere |
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| 17:11.40 | Kennie` | Hi, i got a quadcore xeon running debian 5.0 with a gameserver... the load is about 0.40, htop shows about about 14% avarage cpu usage per core... but the process says its 100% cpu usage... what makes the big difference? |
| 17:12.17 | jelly-home | strange: I dion't deal with 3ware, but my other raid controllers have ways to configure raid (re)build priority compared to normal i/o |
| 17:12.52 | strange | i think i saw that in 3dm2 |
| 17:13.49 | ootput | Kennie`: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_(computing)#CPU_load_vs_CPU_utilization |
| 17:14.12 | ootput | oh sorry, didn't catch that last bit |
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| 17:15.04 | Kennie` | well yeah i know about load queue... but the last thing is a little weird :/ |
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| 17:18.08 | TiCPU | I've got a RAID5 I want to grow in size by extending the partitions, it seems because of the metadata I can't just grow the partition et re-add all the devices as metadata are at the end of the disk, so is there a way to grow it anyway without having to re-add all devices one by one? |
| 17:18.09 | hoo-hah | does ps aux | grep pid | grep -v grep | awk '{print "CPU "$3}' give you the same reading? |
| 17:18.17 | hoo-hah | htop uses different counters, IIRC |
| 17:19.19 | ootput | htop would still use the same counters for the bar display p/ core. |
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| 17:20.12 | DelphiWorld | hi all;) |
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| 17:20.18 | DelphiWorld | dear friends |
| 17:20.34 | DelphiWorld | please could anyone guide me troug setting up a debian web cam server for my home? |
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| 17:21.34 | DelphiWorld | no mush detail in lsusb: |
| 17:21.36 | DelphiWorld | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 18ec:3288 |
| 17:21.59 | hoo-hah | DelphiWorld: there's this: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm - though old |
| 17:22.20 | DelphiWorld | hoo-hah: are you able to access it? |
| 17:22.23 | jelly-home | gives hoo-hah a ps ho%C PID |
| 17:22.27 | DelphiWorld | hoo-hah: i get 403 |
| 17:22.41 | Kennie` | hoo-hah: it does |
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| 17:22.56 | DelphiWorld | i'm unable to access http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 17:23.01 | DelphiWorld | i get error 403 |
| 17:23.01 | MarkGil | Anyone know if there is a way to get iotop to meansure the TOTAL read/writes per process? |
| 17:23.16 | hoo-hah | weird |
| 17:23.16 | TiCPU | DelphiWorld: 18ec seems to be vendor Arkmicro Technologies but does not seem supported though |
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| 17:23.37 | TiCPU | DelphiWorld: use update-usbids to update lsusb listing |
| 17:23.48 | Nixot | Hello ebian users |
| 17:23.56 | Nixot | I mean debian users :\ |
| 17:24.10 | Nixot | Anyway, I have two KDE-related questions |
| 17:24.21 | Kennie` | hoo-hah: hmm nevermind that ps aux gives me now 46% while htop & top running on 100% |
| 17:24.36 | DelphiWorld | TiCPU: is not supported? |
| 17:24.36 | adb | judd, pciid 18ec:3288 |
| 17:24.38 | judd | adb: [18ec:3288] is 'Unknown device' from 'Cesnet, z.s.p.o.' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=18ec:3288 |
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| 17:24.48 | Nixot | 1) When I deleted gnome and installed KDE, some of my programs look like win98 and don't follow the theme... how do I fix this? do I need to install anything? |
| 17:24.56 | Nixot | 2) How do I install kickoff in kde3? |
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| 17:25.40 | hoo-hah | jelly-home: there's that.. |
| 17:25.58 | hoo-hah | beyond aux, I haven't used ps for much else |
| 17:26.00 | hoo-hah | :P |
| 17:26.21 | DelphiWorld | hoTiCPU: w do i update lsusb? |
| 17:26.31 | Kennie` | ah... pressing I in top shows me 23% |
| 17:26.34 | Kennie` | (irix mode) |
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| 17:26.54 | hoo-hah | DelphiWorld: he gave you the command |
| 17:27.09 | DelphiWorld | hoo-hah: sory i'm blind i cleared the log;) |
| 17:27.43 | hoo-hah | so much for the appreciation showed earlier "Dear friends" |
| 17:27.50 | Nixot | anyone? |
| 17:27.51 | hoo-hah | *shown |
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| 17:41.21 | father0fnine | ... |
| 17:41.33 | dutchfish | sevenofnine |
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| 17:41.47 | jelly-home | mine* |
| 17:41.54 | father0fnine | I *did* use to be father0fseven once... |
| 17:41.56 | dutchfish | :) |
| 17:42.13 | jelly-home | prolific |
| 17:42.19 | father0fnine | blended |
| 17:42.25 | father0fnine | nickserv down? |
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| 17:42.41 | jelly-home | !poke nickserv |
| 17:42.42 | dpkg | pokes nickserv with a severed Red Hat user's finger |
| 17:43.01 | nvz | must be, I'm not identified and I was when I went to sleep |
| 17:43.10 | father0fnine | Any "official" reason OpenWatcom is not part of the distro? Any place to get debs? |
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| 17:43.27 | jelly-home | father0fnine: noone cared to package it? |
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| 17:43.39 | nvz | probably because like myself nobody's heard of it much less thought to package it |
| 17:43.41 | jelly-home | wasn't even aware it were ported to Linux |
| 17:43.50 | father0fnine | jelly-home: that is always a possiblity... |
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| 17:44.28 | father0fnine | Seems ark-linux has a package... |
| 17:44.32 | nvz | I injured my poor wittle thumb yesturday and its achin like all hell |
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| 17:44.58 | ge0rge007 | i can't find my xorg.conf file at /etc/X11.I use debian squeeze.How can i change the graphics driver? |
| 17:45.05 | nvz | dont technically need it to type I suppose |
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| 17:45.31 | jelly-home | let me google that... http://www.google.com/search?q=OpenWatcom+Linux |
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| 17:46.59 | father0fnine | http://www.openwatcom.org/index.php/Installing_Open_Watcom_on_Linux |
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| 17:48.59 | adb | ge0rge007, run > X -configure :1 |
| 17:50.39 | bolt | how can I launch a program on my second display? using dualhead (no twinview, just two xservers) |
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| 17:51.08 | mjmt | bolt: DISPLAY=:1 programname |
| 17:51.34 | ge0rge007 | ok i have did it and i makes a xorg.xonf.new file at /root.Have i now copy to /etc/X11 ? |
| 17:51.51 | bolt | mjmt: cannot open display :1 |
| 17:52.00 | bolt | mjmt: if i use the menu on that screen it works, however |
| 17:52.19 | bolt | any way to list available displays? |
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| 17:52.32 | adb | ge0rge007, yes |
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| 17:52.42 | ge0rge007 | ok |
| 17:52.45 | ge0rge007 | thanks |
| 17:52.49 | ge0rge007 | that really helped:) |
| 17:52.57 | mjmt | Can you open a terminal with that menu? If you can, type: echo $DISPLAY |
| 17:54.23 | bolt | mjmt: ah. it's :0.1 :) |
| 17:54.31 | bolt | mjmt: i can launch stuff now. thanks :D |
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| 17:56.00 | father0fnine | Well, looks like it's time to roll my own deb again... |
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| 18:00.34 | deadbeef | hello guys, i've a really serious problem |
| 18:01.09 | deadbeef | when i open some game like UrbanTerror or Tremulous, and then i quit it, my screen is screwed up |
| 18:01.14 | deadbeef | and i'd like not to restart X everytime |
| 18:01.19 | deadbeef | uses dualhead |
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| 18:01.35 | deadbeef | xrandr doesn't seem to work also |
| 18:01.39 | deadbeef | how could i fix this? |
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| 18:01.56 | qwd | What does it mean when a file is green and has an * before it in midnight commander? |
| 18:02.10 | deadbeef | qwd: that it's an alien |
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| 18:03.51 | enyawix | Can i submit code far a package or a package with out drying to become a developer? |
| 18:04.10 | enyawix | lol drying |
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| 18:04.18 | bolt | too wet to code |
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| 18:04.41 | jelly-home | enyawix: you can file a wishlist bug and put in your patch |
| 18:04.54 | jelly-home | see if the current maintainer accepts it |
| 18:05.30 | enyawix | jelly-home: thanks i work too many hours to upkeep a package with in reason |
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| 18:06.27 | jelly-home | enyawix: that's if it is already packaged... or would it be a completely new package for Debian? |
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| 18:10.46 | enyawix | jelly-home: could you make a bug report for a new package and attach the new package with a note saying "use at your own risk I do have time to upkeep this" |
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| 18:11.37 | Rovanion | Can you recommend any way to get hold of Chromium for Lenny? |
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| 18:11.45 | jelly-home | !wnpp |
| 18:11.45 | dpkg | For information on packages which are not in Debian but you think should be, check the Work-Needing and Prospective Packages list at http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp Also use the script wnpp-alert (from the devscripts package) to see what packages you are using that are in need of help. |
| 18:12.01 | uwjesd | Suddendly when I hold a key it does not get repeated, how can I fix that? |
| 18:12.21 | jelly-home | enyawix: if there's no maintainer willing to keep it in check, it won't get in |
| 18:12.49 | jelly-home | enyawix: unmaintained packages regularly get removed from Debian |
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| 18:13.26 | Rovanion | jelly-home, Hmm, then are there some un-maintained packages somewhere un-official so I may get hold of debian without going trough git? |
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| 18:14.38 | jelly-home | Rovanion: I have no idea, that was a response for enyawix |
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| 18:15.19 | jdahm | I installed debian last night, made the IP static, and restarted networking. However, this morning the IP had changed. Now I have the computer rebooted with a static IP. Was this beacuse dhclient was still running and after the lease time expired, it grabbed another IP? |
| 18:15.40 | enyawix | Rovanion that would be cool |
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| 18:16.02 | jelly-home | jdahm: yeah, sometimes dhclient errorneously stays alive |
| 18:16.16 | jdahm | jelly-home: but after rebooting the entire machine I should be OK? |
| 18:16.21 | jdahm | I don't want to have to keep coming here :P |
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| 18:16.29 | enyawix | a kind of dumping ground for use at your own rick stuff |
| 18:16.47 | jelly-home | jdahm: yeah. Before that, basically you have to ifdown the dhcp-configured device, change the config, and ifup with new config. |
| 18:17.18 | jdahm | hm ok great thought so! |
| 18:18.08 | jelly-home | one can usually also configure a dhcp server to always assign the same IP for a certain MAC address |
| 18:18.25 | jdahm | jelly-home: the way we have it is just take whatever you want and play nice |
| 18:18.47 | jelly-home | jdahm: I hope you have a central database to keep track of who's where |
| 18:18.54 | jdahm | jelly-home: like I know what mine should be so I put it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:19.21 | jdahm | jelly-home: I'm sure they do. I'm not fairy familar with DHCP/nameserver |
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| 18:31.33 | wooby | i used debootstrap to image a compact flash card for a small computer, and it boots... but the kernel can't find the root partition |
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| 18:31.55 | wooby | so something's up with the lilo config there.... is there some way to know how the kernel is labelling and numbering block devices? |
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| 18:35.25 | wildc4rd | evening all |
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| 18:38.38 | tuv | it's awfully quiet in here for a 950+-member channel |
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| 18:41.24 | tomodachi | death is always swift and quiet |
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| 18:42.07 | Psi-Jack | tomodachi: Not necessarily true. |
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| 18:53.50 | _stack | I have a problem in squeeze |
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| 18:54.15 | _stack | I'm trying to reinstall udev (I had a version from sid) but it does not install the files in /etc/udev |
| 18:55.12 | _stack | I moved the old ones in /etc/udev.old , but now after apt-get install udev=146-5 --reinstall the /etc/udev directory is empty |
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| 18:55.23 | _stack | why that?! |
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| 18:59.24 | mtnman | hello |
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| 19:00.13 | craigevil | _stack: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 19:01.44 | _stack | craigevil: it created udev.conf but rules.d is still empty |
| 19:02.01 | _stack | and why does apt-get install udev complains about nothing? |
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| 19:02.26 | Jorophose | is there any way to back up a debian VM and make it installable? |
| 19:02.46 | koenie | Hi! In powertop, I get 'Detailed C-state information is not [available]'. I'm running 2.6.31 and I have no idea where to start looking. I do have P-states, which behave as expected. |
| 19:02.50 | craigevil | _stack: The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted |
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| 19:03.49 | _stack | craigevil: is there a way to also repopulate the rules.d directory? and maybe all the files that are gone? |
| 19:04.40 | _stack | or maybe is that dinamic? |
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| 19:08.12 | mtnman | i cannot run xgammon, there is a problem loading the doubler dice font |
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| 19:08.44 | mtnman | is there a font i can easily install to fix this? |
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| 19:10.29 | cahoot | mtnman: discarded gnubg? |
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| 19:11.44 | mtnman | cahoot i do not understand your question. can you rephrase in a full sentence |
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| 19:12.30 | cahoot | mtnman: I think gnubg is a superior backgammon |
| 19:12.59 | mtnman | how so? |
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| 19:14.51 | cahoot | hard to beat, good tutormode |
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| 19:15.36 | biotense | I am having trouble figuring out why I get only 30fps in glxgears. I am running an ibm thinkpad t43 with a mobility raedon x300. Can anyone help? |
| 19:15.39 | gyyrog | how do you message another user via command line? |
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| 19:15.51 | pmo | hi i have a question related to Qt programming when do you think i'd better ask ? |
| 19:15.58 | pmo | when / where |
| 19:15.59 | biotense | gyyrog: either mesg or write |
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| 19:16.26 | wooby | gyyrog: or you can use the talk program and daemon |
| 19:16.33 | wooby | very oldschool :) |
| 19:17.11 | pmo | biotense, fgl_glxgears |
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| 19:18.38 | biotense | pmo: I don't have that. I saw some packages show up under apt-cache, but I stayed away because it said it's for r6xx, r7xx, etc. Those work for a mobility raedon x300? |
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| 19:20.49 | pmo | biotense, i know there is 2 gears prog depends on your driver.. official or open source, as far as i can remember |
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| 19:22.03 | wooby | anyone know what the device name for a compactflash card in an IDE adapter in a 486 might be? i can't find my root partition :( |
| 19:22.26 | abrotman | dmesg ? |
| 19:22.52 | icebrain | biotense: have you installed the fglrx drivers or are you using the default installed by Debian? |
| 19:23.05 | wooby | it might be in there, but scrolls by too fast |
| 19:23.34 | biotense | icebrain: I am using xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
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| 19:25.03 | icebrain | biotense: sorry, I was reading outdated info |
| 19:25.41 | abrotman | wooby: dmesg | more |
| 19:26.14 | esaym153 | what is the what is the format for submitting a patch? Like what flags to pass to diff... |
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| 19:27.24 | Xenguy | esaym153: I think most people use 'unified diff', so 'diff -u ...' |
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| 19:29.58 | esaym153 | Xenguy: ty |
| 19:29.58 | hark | biotense: which version of debian? |
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| 19:30.59 | Xenguy | esaym153: yw |
| 19:31.11 | biotense | hark: squeeze |
| 19:31.17 | hark | biotense: install firmware-linux-nonfree |
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| 19:33.32 | biotense | hark: i get no such package (and I have non-free component in my sources.list) |
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| 19:34.00 | valdyn | judd: versions firmware-linux-nonfree |
| 19:34.00 | judd | valdyn: firmware-linux-nonfree -- sid/non-free: 0.21 |
| 19:34.48 | hark | firmware-linux maybe |
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| 19:35.13 | biotense | that one I have installed already |
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| 19:35.51 | biotense | I saw on the fglrx page that my card should be supported. I am going to restart X to try that. brb |
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| 19:39.06 | abrotman | judd: versions firmware-linux |
| 19:39.07 | judd | abrotman: firmware-linux -- lenny-backports/non-free: 0.17~bpo50+1 squeeze/non-free: 0.18 sid/non-free: 0.21 |
| 19:39.23 | abrotman | heh .. backported firmware .. |
| 19:39.38 | Rovanion | I'm lost in the wireless forest and don't know where to go. I have a DWL-650+ PCMCIA card and there seem to be different drivers and I don't know really where to go. Should I use linux-wlan-ng, orinoco or hostap? |
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| 19:40.13 | valdyn | Rovanion: do you know that its not supported by stock kernels? |
| 19:40.35 | sly007 | Hello, debian install some code snippets in /etc/apache2/conf.d, but they don't seem to apply to my virtual host. Is that normal ? |
| 19:40.45 | Rovanion | valdyn, The card is not detected by default as far as I can see |
| 19:41.21 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 19:41.28 | dpkg | To work out what module you need to load for your PCI card, try pasting the output from "lspci -n" into http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ . To determine the driver currently associated with an Ethernet interface, ask me about <which ethernet module>. |
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| 19:43.22 | hark | will lspci show pcmcia stuff too? |
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| 19:44.17 | hark | !dwl-g650 |
| 19:44.18 | dpkg | The DWL-G650 is a Cardbus wireless LAN device manufactured by D-Link. If your device's hardware version is A1 (PCI-Id 1260:3890), ask me about <p54>. Otherwise, ask me about <atheros>. For support of the DWL-G650+ or DWL-G650M, ask me about <dwl-g650+> or <dwl-g650m> respectively. |
| 19:44.27 | hark | Rovanion: ^ |
| 19:44.58 | hark | !tell Rovanion about dwl-g650+ |
| 19:45.30 | Rovanion | !dwl-g650+ |
| 19:45.30 | dpkg | The DWL-G650+ is a Cardbus wireless LAN device manufactured by D-Link. Revisions A1 and B1 use the Texas Instruments ACX 111 chipset, ask me about <acx111>. |
| 19:45.54 | Rovanion | !acx111 |
| 19:45.54 | dpkg | Texas Instruments' ACX100/ACX111 wireless LAN chipsets are supported by the reverse-engineered acx driver. Packaged for Debian as 'acx100-source', installation instructions are at http://wiki.debian.org/acx , see also Debian bug #532787. Also me about <acx100 firmware>. This driver does not support <WPA>. Device matrix: http://acx100.sf.net/matrix.html http://acx100.sf.net/ #acx100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 19:46.13 | hark | Rovanion: /msg the bot |
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| 19:46.26 | Rovanion | hark, Sorry for the flood |
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| 19:47.14 | mutable_malachi | dpkg: fglrx |
| 19:47.16 | dpkg | fglrx is probably "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 19:47.46 | enyawix | help i need to nuke a package |
| 19:49.05 | nkuttler | enyawix: define nuke |
| 19:49.17 | enyawix | i need to force remove libplasma2 i do not care what brakes it will be all kde stuff |
| 19:49.47 | nkuttler | !tell enyawix about errors |
| 19:50.02 | hark | bad choice for a card if the driver does not even support wpa ^ |
| 19:51.20 | ribasushi | o.O |
| 19:51.22 | enyawix | "trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/plasmapkg', which is also in package libplasma2:" |
| 19:51.26 | ribasushi | what happened to the smbpasswd command? |
| 19:51.35 | ribasushi | it's not in the samba-common packages anymore... |
| 19:51.56 | hark | samba-common-bin? |
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| 19:52.21 | enyawix | apt-get remove --purge libplasma2 |
| 19:52.24 | hark | !tell enyawix -about overwrite |
| 19:52.52 | ribasushi | hark: thanks... |
| 19:52.56 | simonrvn | 'breaks' |
| 19:53.01 | ribasushi | wtf why would this get split.... |
| 19:53.19 | hark | heh |
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| 19:54.36 | cheako | Any one use bitflu? |
| 19:54.46 | abrotman | h1n1 ? |
| 19:55.29 | cheako | abrotman: That is a cold. |
| 19:56.01 | nima0102 | I want to monitor my local system, What application do you suggest??? |
| 19:56.11 | abrotman | don't tell the old folks that are freaking out |
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| 19:57.27 | nkuttler | nima0102: it depends. give us more details. |
| 19:58.25 | cheako | abrotman: They would rather see War instead that only takes the weakest of the young and strong, but when it comes down to population control that mainly impacts the week then the weak take up arms in protest. |
| 19:58.42 | nima0102 | nkuttler,I use KDE. |
| 19:59.04 | abrotman | and back to bitflu ... |
| 19:59.54 | nima0102 | nkuttler, I need monitoring system for local,so if an application can give more information, that is my preference |
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| 20:00.40 | nkuttler | nima0102: i'd probably use htop & tail, but i guess you want something shiny |
| 20:01.22 | nima0102 | nkuttler,yep ;) |
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| 20:08.49 | dhaivat_ | I need help setting up streaming |
| 20:09.08 | dhaivat_ | I have written a HTTP server in python which I want to show to my friend |
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| 20:09.14 | dhaivat_ | however, I can't forward ports |
| 20:09.25 | dhaivat_ | so, is there anyway with VPN he can view my website? |
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| 20:13.55 | cheako | I need an bit-torrent application that will work well in an IPv6/headless environment. |
| 20:14.09 | cheako | I need an bit-torrent application that will work well in an IPv6/headless/Debian environment. |
| 20:14.22 | dhaivat_ | stop double posting cheako |
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| 20:17.15 | Arelis | I'm considering Debian, as Ubuntu is far too buggy for daily usage, in my opinion. But isn't it too out-of-date? |
| 20:17.15 | icebrain | cheako: tried rtorrent? don't know about the ipv6 part, but works on debian and in headless systems |
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| 20:18.07 | abrotman | Arelis: depends what you're looking for in a distro |
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| 20:18.39 | cheako | icebrain: Wikipedia says missing IPv6 support: http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ticket/1111 |
| 20:18.47 | Arelis | Good enough for daily use, good enough to replace a Mac if needed, good enough for multimedia use, external hardware support (such as phones and tablets) |
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| 20:19.35 | abrotman | Arelis: sure .. but that doesn't discuss the 'oldness' of the distro .. |
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| 20:20.42 | Arelis | Oldness.. Well, i'd like to use the newest Firefox, for example, because it has several extensions that I like to use. And when hardware comes out, I want it to work when I plug it in, or at least have something available to make it work within a few minutes. |
| 20:20.54 | Arelis | That means outdated drivers would not be nice in that case. |
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| 20:21.38 | abrotman | 1) Debian does not have the official Firefox .. 2) the version in stable is like 3.0.12 or something i think .. 3) you can install it yourself, but we can't really help you with that |
| 20:21.55 | abrotman | 4) you can get backported kernels (and other software) from backports.org |
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| 20:22.30 | cheako | Arelis: There could be a conflict with buggy VS oldness. I'd say the two are mutually exclusive. |
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| 20:23.21 | Rovanion | <Rovanion> I'm encountering some issues when trying to get my DWL-650+ with a ACX111 chip working fallowing this: wiki.debian.org/acx . I get the respond that there are no wireless extensions when running iwconfig.<Rovanion> I'm encountering some issues when trying to get my DWL-650+ with a ACX111 chip working fallowing this: wiki.debian.org/acx . I get the respond that there are no wireless extensions when running iwconfig. |
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| 20:25.18 | Arelis | cheako: But is the Debian software updated enough to support all kinds of hardware? |
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| 20:26.42 | cheako | Arelis: Yes, I did have a to pull kernels from experimental recently... but it worked. |
| 20:26.44 | syslq | How can I access arbitrary bash script command line argument stored in $@ without constructing new array(bash)? |
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| 20:27.23 | cheako | Arelis: In this area I'd say that issues that effect Debial also effect Ubuntu. |
| 20:28.04 | Rovanion | As much as I hate to ask, but could someone help me out with the wireless issue? |
| 20:28.44 | cheako | Rovanion: Drivers from 2007 and they still don't work? |
| 20:29.07 | cheako | Rovanion: irc://irc.freenode.net/#acx100 - Driver IRC channel |
| 20:29.27 | Arelis | cheako: What are the pros and cons of Debian's slightly outdated software? |
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| 20:29.52 | syslq | Arelis: it's stable, heavly patched |
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| 20:30.39 | cheako | Arelis: It always will depend on you. Pro: less bugs/more corrected bugs, Con: Software is outdated. |
| 20:31.26 | cheako | Arelis: I guess it's not possible to resolve outdated to anything more useful to work with. |
| 20:31.52 | bolt | loves debian :D |
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| 20:32.54 | cheako | Arelis: Personally I'd like to see a distor that ships software so outdated that security patches are rare if not unnecessary. |
| 20:33.03 | Rovanion | Sorry but there was noone in the acx100 channel. So how do I go with the nonpositive iwconfig? |
| 20:33.47 | cheako | Rovanion: lkml? |
| 20:34.18 | Rovanion | cheako, Pardon? |
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| 20:34.36 | cheako | Rovanion: Linue Kernel Mailing List. |
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| 20:35.37 | Arelis | cheako: Okay, I'm going to try out Debian. I'm on an Intel Mac, which has an Intel Core 2 Duo processor. Which version of Debian should I download? |
| 20:35.45 | Arelis | (Also, Stable, Testing, Unstable?) |
| 20:35.46 | Rovanion | cheako, Should I ask the Linux Kernel Mailing List for this error in the Debian distribution fallowing a guide from the Debian Guide for a TI card? |
| 20:35.58 | abrotman | Rovanion: are you sure the driver is setup correctly? does it require firmware also? |
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| 20:36.35 | Rovanion | abrotman, I could try getting it again. Might have pasted the lines wrong |
| 20:36.44 | durka42 | hey, i think my server is being hacked. is there supposed to be anything in /var/cache/apache2, and if so, what? |
| 20:36.47 | cheako | Arelis: Stable. The others almost certainly have bugs, lenny-backports is where you can find updates to a handful of applications if you need them. |
| 20:36.58 | becky | Arelis, use stable. If something does not work you can try an custom kernel which should fix it |
| 20:37.03 | durka42 | i'm assuming there shouldn't be a httpd binary in there |
| 20:37.03 | Arelis | cheako: such as Iceweasel? |
| 20:37.34 | haqe17 | durka42: ur being hacked right now ?! |
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| 20:37.38 | cheako | Arelis: Perhaps? packages.debian.org to get that answer. |
| 20:37.41 | haqe17 | well for god's sake do something |
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| 20:37.48 | durka42 | haqe17: i'm working on it |
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| 20:38.38 | jmarsden | durka42: Yes, if you are running apache2 and using mod_disk_cache (I think it is), then /var/cache/apache2/ is expected to be there. |
| 20:38.57 | jmarsden | durka42: So its presence does NOT mean you are being hacked. |
| 20:39.10 | cheako | durka42: Quick b4 we all get hacked -n- stuff. |
| 20:39.30 | durka42 | jmarsden: okay, there is a mod_disk_cache folder. however there is also a httpd binary and couple of files |
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| 20:39.43 | durka42 | $ ls /var/cache/apache2 |
| 20:39.43 | durka42 | ` `~ e httpd mod_disk_cache |
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| 20:40.52 | _stack_ | whas that --added-patches removed from make-kpkg options? |
| 20:40.55 | Arelis | cheako: Netinst or full CD? |
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| 20:41.22 | cheako | Netinst, unless your network connection sux. |
| 20:41.23 | Xenguy | ruben23: not sure about those errors, but line 15 is correct I would think |
| 20:41.24 | Xenguy | ww |
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| 20:42.53 | jmarsden | durka42: That seems unusual... but of itself not really enough to start "server being hacked" levels of alarm. I'd suggest you stop apache2 and then run htcacheclean -r as root to clean out the cache, and then restart apache2. |
| 20:43.48 | Arelis | cheako: Is it safe to use the Testing CD? |
| 20:44.37 | durka42 | jmarsden: my other evidence is that the httpd binary in there was running, and /proc/<pid>/environ told me that OLDPWD is in a user's web directory, where there is an old wordpress install |
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| 20:45.35 | prince_jammys | hi. i'm on squeeze, and i have an intel on-board video card (Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE) which gives me trouble with X (X freezes randomly), so I've been trying to get another card to work. It's an ATI Technologies Inc RV 610LE PCI [Radeon HD 2400]. I plugged it in and switched my BIOS to use PCI instead of AGP, but wWhen I select my kernel (2.6.30-2-686) from grub2, I get a bunch of scrolling errors righ |
| 20:46.23 | prince_jammys | to clarify: I can't even boot to a console when I try to boot with the ATI card. |
| 20:46.30 | sis | hi all, could you suggest an application that shows keys pressed on screen (for demo video, xev is not what i want) |
| 20:47.01 | durka42 | jmarsden: when running htcacheclean, what do i give it as the path? /var/cache/apache2 or /var/cache/apache2/mod_disk_cache? |
| 20:47.35 | jmarsden | durka42: I think you don't, you just use its default path. I take it you killed the httpd already, and renamed the old wordpress dir somewhere that won't be web-accessible until you fix whatever holes it probably has? |
| 20:47.47 | durka42 | yes, i did |
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| 20:48.00 | Arelis | c |
| 20:48.01 | Arelis | oops |
| 20:48.18 | Arelis | cheako: I'm going to use Testing. Is it safe to use amd64? |
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| 20:51.02 | jmarsden | durka42: Oh... looks like you do have to provide a path for htcacheclean... use /var/cache/apache2/mod_disk_cache |
| 20:51.55 | nzapp | is it possible to watch netflix instant on debian? |
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| 20:53.09 | markybob | nzapp, no |
| 20:53.55 | durka42 | thanks jmarsden |
| 20:54.05 | jmarsden | durka42: No problem. |
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| 20:55.39 | Arelis | Anyone? Is amd64 safe to use, or is it broken? I want to start the download. |
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| 20:57.01 | MAdhaTTe1 | Arelis: not really sure i get the question.. why would it not be safe? as long as you have a 64bit AMD chip you are good to go |
| 20:57.15 | MAdhaTTe1 | I have ~3 amd64 boxes |
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| 20:57.36 | shattered | Arelis: use stable version |
| 20:57.56 | Arelis | shattered: why? Many people have reported that testing is not really that unstable. |
| 20:58.22 | shattered | because I said so? :) |
| 20:58.37 | shattered | seriously, if you're going to use testing anyway, why bother asking |
| 20:59.20 | MAd_haTTer | speaking of.. is there an easy way to tell if the fix for the e1000 + > 4gb ram fix is in debian anywhere? |
| 20:59.43 | MAd_haTTer | looks like it is in source at sourceforge now.. |
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| 21:10.38 | Rovanion | I'm trying to get my wireless pcmcia card working fallowing the debian guide for my chipset but when I run iwconfig I get the awnser that there are no wireless extensions. wlan0 is not listed. What do I do? |
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| 21:12.02 | cheako | Has the 64bit software come along? As I understood there were still a lot of developer groups(Wine and Qemu for example) that have not adopted a sane type casting policy. |
| 21:12.09 | MAd_haTTer | Rovanion: try ifconfig wlan0 up first |
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| 21:12.30 | Rovanion | MAd_haTTer, It says that the device does not exist |
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| 21:12.54 | Rovanion | The card is a DWL-650+ with the chipset acx111 and the guide is wiki.debian.org/acx by the way |
| 21:13.07 | MAd_haTTer | Rovanion: what wireless card are you using? |
| 21:13.46 | Rovanion | MAd_haTTer, Just typed that one message before your question |
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| 21:14.06 | MAd_haTTer | humm all mine are intel, not shure what dev name that one gets, try dmesg |less |
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| 21:15.46 | Rovanion | MAd_haTTer, Should the error be at the start or the end of the gigantic list I get? |
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| 21:16.47 | MAd_haTTer | Rovanion: my understanding is... you need the driver (of just firmware, not sure for you..) then you need the wpa supplicant package |
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| 21:17.33 | Skaag | when I build a .deb file, how difficult is it to get those dialogs to show up for users to ask questions and return them as values? |
| 21:17.40 | MAd_haTTer | when you have all that you should be able to do ifconfig devX up && wpa_supp (manages iwconfig) & dhclient devX |
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| 21:19.29 | DelphiWorld | hello |
| 21:19.36 | DelphiWorld | i think debian hate me;) hehehehehe |
| 21:19.43 | DelphiWorld | http://www.aboutdebian.com |
| 21:19.46 | DelphiWorld | is blocking me;) |
| 21:20.37 | enyawix | dpkg remove --purge --force-overwrite libplasma2 |
| 21:20.38 | dpkg | wish i knew, enyawix |
| 21:20.59 | enyawix | what is up with dpkg |
| 21:21.52 | simonrvn | why are you using --force-overwrite with --purge? |
| 21:21.52 | DelphiWorld | how to move a directory? i know mv but how to use it;) |
| 21:22.00 | pizza_biz | trying to figure out unixodbc/freetds on lenny. i can't make sense of what library i should be pointing to in odbcinst.ini, and since tcpdump shows no outgoing traffic to the MSSQL server, i'm guessing i haven't found the right library. so far i have freetds-dev and libdbd-freetds installed. any suggestions on this? |
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| 21:22.11 | simonrvn | DelphiWorld: just like a file... man mv |
| 21:22.39 | enyawix | i just want to forceably remove libplasma2 |
| 21:22.55 | DelphiWorld | any example? |
| 21:23.01 | DelphiWorld | mv source dest? |
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| 21:23.45 | Lafy | how can i check why my print jobs are failing? lpq retries a few times then tells me error |
| 21:24.00 | abrotman | !tell DelphiWorld about grounding |
| 21:24.11 | simonrvn | enyawix: man dpkg |
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| 21:26.00 | enyawix | imonrvn i did i did not see a flag that will allow me to brake dependencies |
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| 21:26.31 | simonrvn | "break" |
| 21:26.47 | simonrvn | 2) so remove the other things that dep on it.. why is that so hard? |
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| 21:27.06 | enyawix | simonrvn i need to remove something that will brake many packages than fix them later |
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| 21:27.16 | simonrvn | "break" |
| 21:27.42 | enyawix | break* |
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| 21:27.51 | MAd_haTTer | enyawix: try installing an alternate program |
| 21:27.55 | simonrvn | uh, yeh. that's my point. |
| 21:28.29 | enyawix | i have no choice i need the package off my system |
| 21:28.30 | MAd_haTTer | if you try tp uninstall exim things break, but if you install postfix/nullmailler, it will replace exim |
| 21:28.40 | simonrvn | enyawix: SO. DO. IT. |
| 21:29.33 | enyawix | simonrvn: i need a command with the bass to do it |
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| 21:30.26 | enyawix | "dpkg --purge --force-overwrite libplasma2" did not work |
| 21:30.31 | simonrvn | you already have it. all you need to do is add the other packages to the list of packages you want to remove. |
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| 21:31.10 | simonrvn | better yet, use the aptitude ui. then all you need to do is find broken packages (press b), then on the broken one, hit _ |
| 21:31.37 | simonrvn | man aptitude; /msg dpkg grounding; man dpkg |
| 21:31.42 | abrotman | enyawix: does that actually maek sense to you ? |
| 21:31.50 | enyawix | aptitude ui did not offer a --force-overwrite option |
| 21:31.54 | abrotman | you're going to purge it, and overwrite another package at the same time ? |
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| 21:32.28 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 21:32.45 | enyawix | abrotman no the error i get makes no since |
| 21:32.49 | simonrvn | enyawix: Forget. About. --force-overwrite. |
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| 21:33.03 | simonrvn | that's USELESS in this context |
| 21:33.04 | kaduk | Hi |
| 21:33.09 | kaduk | how to get alsa working ? |
| 21:33.11 | kaduk | I have no sound |
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| 21:33.31 | MAd_haTTer | kaduk: alsaconf |
| 21:33.47 | kaduk | I dont have such a command |
| 21:33.55 | MAd_haTTer | install alsa-base |
| 21:34.03 | kaduk | it is installed |
| 21:34.09 | MAd_haTTer | install alsa-utils |
| 21:34.24 | kaduk | also are installed |
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| 21:34.36 | MAd_haTTer | become root / use sudo |
| 21:34.40 | kaduk | I am root |
| 21:34.57 | MAd_haTTer | then i do not know what to tell you.. |
| 21:35.03 | simonrvn | alsamixer > turn the volume up / unmute things |
| 21:35.09 | kaduk | all are unmuted |
| 21:35.28 | simonrvn | press F2 to see if /proc/asound/cards has anything of value |
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| 21:35.59 | simonrvn | check your speaker wires, your speakers to see if they're plugged in / functional |
| 21:36.18 | MAd_haTTer | how can he not have alsaconf.. |
| 21:36.32 | abrotman | do you really want me to comment? |
| 21:36.39 | MAd_haTTer | can you do a aptitude search alsa |grep "^i" |
| 21:36.48 | hedgehoginfog | they fixed the bug with fglrx + Radeon 3650! |
| 21:36.48 | hedgehoginfog | woohoo |
| 21:36.55 | kaduk | surew |
| 21:37.08 | MAd_haTTer | abrotman: I would not ask you t onot comment ;) |
| 21:37.13 | icebrain | MAd_haTTer: "alsaconf was removed from alsa-utils at 1.0.17-1." |
| 21:37.13 | hedgehoginfog | i just did dist-upgrade |
| 21:37.31 | simonrvn | MAd_haTTer: because it was removed... |
| 21:37.45 | MAd_haTTer | it is in stable.. |
| 21:37.56 | MAd_haTTer | perhaps due to a etch >> lenny? |
| 21:37.59 | kaduk | MAd_haTTer: removed |
| 21:38.07 | MAd_haTTer | hmmm |
| 21:38.08 | MAd_haTTer | noted |
| 21:38.12 | kaduk | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/f3fbe3230 |
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| 21:38.24 | simonrvn | what's this for? |
| 21:38.43 | kaduk | simonrvn: /proc/asound/cards |
| 21:38.46 | simonrvn | thanks |
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| 21:39.35 | simonrvn | your default device seems to be your creative labs usb audio thingy |
| 21:39.41 | kaduk | its camera |
| 21:39.45 | kaduk | I can disconnect it |
| 21:39.49 | simonrvn | (since it's marked as 0 ;) |
| 21:40.01 | simonrvn | you should configure it as 1, not 0 |
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| 21:40.27 | simonrvn | or better, configure the other thing as 0 |
| 21:40.47 | iluminator101 | How do i change the domain that i had on from setup to something else? |
| 21:40.59 | kaduk | simonrvn: I disconnected but alsamixer gives cannot open mixer: No such file or directory |
| 21:41.02 | iluminator101 | How do i change the domain name that i had on from setup to something else? |
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| 21:41.28 | simonrvn | kaduk: yes. it will still be 1 until you change it. |
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| 21:41.36 | simonrvn | kaduk: you want it as 'default' |
| 21:41.42 | kaduk | simonrvn: how to do that? |
| 21:41.54 | simonrvn | !asoundrc |
| 21:42.04 | simonrvn | sec ;) |
| 21:42.06 | kaduk | huh I dont have that file |
| 21:42.15 | kaduk | I wonder why it worked before |
| 21:42.18 | kaduk | out of box |
| 21:42.25 | kaduk | after upgrade it stoped working |
| 21:42.58 | simonrvn | !alsa |
| 21:42.58 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:43.07 | simonrvn | !tell kaduk -about dmix |
| 21:43.12 | simonrvn | read those |
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| 21:44.02 | kaduk | simonrvn: does it mean I have to creat special file to be able to use my sound card that worked before out of box? |
| 21:44.05 | kaduk | :| |
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| 21:44.17 | kaduk | its regression |
| 21:44.36 | pizza_biz | aha. the wayward library is in package tdsodbc. sometimes i can't fathom what the package builders were thinking. |
| 21:44.46 | simonrvn | you probably had the camera be detected first, so it got assigned as default. |
| 21:45.00 | kaduk | yeah I had booted with it |
| 21:45.17 | kaduk | if I reboot with disconnected camer then it should be fine right? |
| 21:45.51 | kaduk | anyway driver uvc should not be confused with alsa drivers:| |
| 21:45.55 | kaduk | thats a bug imho |
| 21:46.07 | simonrvn | you shouldn't have to reboot for this. i'd modprobe -r the snd_usb_audio |
| 21:46.13 | iluminator101 | abortman:hey i got what you meant the other day, i apologize if i came across as rude or was rude in anyway the other day |
| 21:46.42 | simonrvn | kaduk: probably some silly issue with names, and module load order |
| 21:46.48 | simonrvn | and/or rather |
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| 21:47.07 | simonrvn | kaduk: you can usually fix that by loading your snd_hda_intel first then snd_usb_audio |
| 21:47.13 | simonrvn | /etc/modules |
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| 21:47.36 | abrotman | iluminator101: uh what? |
| 21:48.45 | iluminator101 | abortman:nevermind, the problem i had was that debian-multimedia files corrupted vlc install, it took me a while to fix but i did |
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| 21:50.03 | thrashold | Hi, I run a web server. It seems that the connection to the web server is top 200 B/s from anywhere. SpeedTest shows 3 Mbps using any peer as a location. Sending files through protocols like Oscar is still 200 B/s. Any suggestion where I should look for the problem? I'll contact my ISP, but could it be a problem in the config of my box? |
| 21:50.24 | kaduk | simonrvn: if I put snd_hda_intel in /etc/modules it will be loaded first? |
| 21:51.18 | simonrvn | kaduk: depends on what you have there already. no, it doesn't affect initrds. |
| 21:51.38 | thrashold | Yet, my SMTP server sends to other SMTP servers with 300-400 KB/s... |
| 21:51.54 | simonrvn | i would start with the httpd, thrashold |
| 21:52.24 | kaduk | simonrvn: hmm I use initrd.. guess I will have to remember to disconnect camera when booting |
| 21:52.47 | thrashold | simonrvn: I have two HTTPDs, one is on the server, the other is on my box (which is DNAT/SNAT-ed behind it), and both are like that. File sending through Oscar also works like that. Also, the problem is only to places outside of my country |
| 21:52.52 | MAd_haTTer | kaduk: I have that same problem.. |
| 21:52.54 | simonrvn | kaduk: uh, i doubt the hda-intel or the usb-audio are in the initrd... |
| 21:53.01 | vlt | Hello. I boot from (hd0,0), then initrd assembles /dev/md1 from /dev/sd[ab]2 as PV for LVM where the root fs in on. Now I added a new PV /dev/md2 to the VG and removed/destroyed /dev/md1. Where is the information about md deviec names stored? Will the new /dev/md2 be loaded on reboot? Will the name be /dev/md1 now that the old /dev/md1 has gone? |
| 21:53.26 | simonrvn | thrashold: bug your isp, sounds like they're throttling it |
| 21:53.58 | enyawix | thrashold: who is your isp? |
| 21:54.00 | thrashold | simonrvn: It would mean that they are throttling everything but SMTP... |
| 21:54.14 | simonrvn | probably. bug them. |
| 21:54.53 | mesaGL | i have been banned from ##linus from pointing out that some of the users are child porn merchants |
| 21:54.53 | thrashold | Or, maybe throttling upload speed on incoming connections? |
| 21:55.04 | mesaGL | ##linux |
| 21:55.07 | thrashold | I'll bug them, but the admins of the routers are clueless. |
| 21:55.10 | mesaGL | now ban me here |
| 21:55.14 | thrashold | Thanks |
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| 21:55.48 | enyawix | mesaGL: and so money is money and this is #debian |
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| 21:57.14 | mesaGL | i'm going to the fbi. and there is nothing you can possibly do. filthy scum |
| 21:57.56 | MAd_haTTer | ... |
| 21:58.23 | shattered | mesaGL: go, then |
| 21:58.37 | shattered | are you sure you're not a troll, though? |
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| 21:59.50 | enyawix | anyone going to chat about linux / debian? |
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| 22:02.26 | bit0 | hello, i've no sound in flash enabled webpages (iceweasel) |
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| 22:04.42 | mesaGL | user enyawix is inviting people to join their child porn site. by all means, go ahead. just try and stop me from making your lives intolerable |
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| 22:06.23 | MAd_haTTer | mesaGL: well your doing good so far... |
| 22:06.31 | MAd_haTTer | does +i still work.. ? |
| 22:07.21 | MAd_haTTer | well /ignore seems to have.. |
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| 22:07.25 | MAd_haTTer | ;) |
| 22:07.50 | petern_ | hi, is there a trick to getting bluetooth working in lenny, with gnome? |
| 22:08.06 | mesaGL | simple. i contact the owners of the servers. and the whole network falls apart |
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| 22:08.50 | mesaGL | want to play fucking gmaes. i'll give you fucking games |
| 22:09.47 | mesaGL | no answer. fine. end of freenode |
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| 22:09.52 | krion | wtf ? |
| 22:10.01 | simonrvn | mesaGL: how about you STFU instead? |
| 22:10.27 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 22:10.39 | kaduk | simonrvn: should be possible to ban |
| 22:11.16 | rgr | can anyone recommend a more "gnome"Ish torrent downloaded? I currently use ktorrent. |
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| 22:11.30 | craigevil | rgr: try deluge |
| 22:11.56 | action09 | rgr try to switch to rtorrent very handy in a screen ... text based ok, not gnome ok but really simple and useful |
| 22:12.12 | action09 | give it a try |
| 22:12.30 | rgr | I might look up something with an emacs controller. craigevil : deluge look sgood. didnt know about that one. |
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| 22:16.57 | simonrvn | !tell rgr -about search |
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| 22:20.05 | zerohero | rgr: transmission doesn't work for you? |
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| 22:22.08 | prince_jammys | for anyone curious about my earlier question, i solved it by blacklisting agpgart and intel_agp in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf. i can now boot with the ATI card |
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| 22:23.02 | rgr | simonrvn: what was that about search? |
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| 22:23.41 | linuxguy2009 | Do the live debian CD/DVD have an install feature or ar they just for testing and whatnot? |
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| 22:24.55 | abrotman | just because it's a livecd doesn't mena it's only for testing |
| 22:25.22 | rgr | I think he means (see "whatnot") that just want to know if can install to the HD from it. |
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| 22:25.54 | linuxguy2009 | abrotman: Well I believe I downloaded one before and didnt see an install option thats why I ask. |
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| 22:26.16 | jpinx-eeepc | linuxguy2009: I believe some of them have an installer, but not sure which ones |
| 22:26.19 | abrotman | it still doesn't mean it's just for testing |
| 22:26.52 | jpinx-eeepc | linuxguy2009: but if you don't need anything non-standard they are perfectly use-able as an OS |
| 22:27.29 | linuxguy2009 | jpinx-eeepc: Cool that helps thank you, |
| 22:27.56 | jpinx-eeepc | linuxguy2009: you could dd it onto a USB device and create a loop-back into the spare space to store your configs for next time |
| 22:28.19 | jpinx-eeepc | linuxguy2009: that's a job that's been on my to-do list for months... |
| 22:28.30 | linuxguy2009 | jpinx-eeepc: hehe cool |
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| 22:32.00 | rgr | simonrvn : I just saw that msg. I asked for peoples recommendations. I am fully aware of how to use google thank you very much. |
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| 22:32.24 | simonrvn | rgr: apt-cache search - you didn't read the whole thing |
| 22:32.38 | rgr | I did. And I use that. I was asking for recommendations from people here. |
| 22:33.59 | simonrvn | !polls |
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| 22:33.59 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 22:34.05 | rgr | craigevil: deluge is very good. plays better with xmonad that ktorrent does too. Mind you I do use xmonad withi gnome so would expect it. |
| 22:34.26 | simonrvn | rgr: forget it. any gtk based one would've done you fine (or cli) |
| 22:34.34 | rgr | simonrvn: get a life please. I asked for recommendations. Not a poll. I got two good replies. |
| 22:34.40 | rgr | Sigh. |
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| 22:34.43 | elops | Does any know of any digital cameras that could be made to run Linux? |
| 22:34.46 | simonrvn | -_- |
| 22:34.53 | simonrvn | /kick rgr |
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| 22:35.14 | zeus | hello? |
| 22:35.15 | streuner_ | simonrvn: hehe |
| 22:35.36 | elops | ayone? |
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| 22:36.32 | xyan | elops: http://gphoto.sourceforge.net/proj/libgphoto2/support.php |
| 22:36.56 | abrotman | elops: the camera itself ? |
| 22:37.03 | abrotman | xyan: i don't think that's what he was asking |
| 22:37.26 | elops | http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/118946 |
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| 22:38.03 | xyan | elops: chdk is not a linux app, its a firmware addon you pull onto your sd card |
| 22:38.32 | xyan | elops: if you want to use linux to remote control your camera then gtkam can do that for some models |
| 22:38.52 | abrotman | xyan: i think he wants to install linux .. on his camera |
| 22:39.26 | zeus | I am getting a message after I log in after starting my machine, it says gnome power master configuration configuration defaults have been installed incorrectly |
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| 22:39.48 | xyan | abrotman: alright, guess thats not possible |
| 22:39.52 | elops | I figured the firmware was *nix based, from memory. and seeing as it was on linux.com, that kind of supported that idea |
| 22:40.01 | pmo | zeus, and then.. go to jail.. (installed incorrectly) |
| 22:40.32 | zeus | won't start system |
| 22:41.04 | zeus | I can use terminal |
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| 22:41.53 | zeus | terminal doesn't respond normally |
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| 22:42.28 | zeus | I can ls root and -l and it doesn't list |
| 22:43.30 | zeus | i cd to /home and it lists off the page and i can't slow the list down |
| 22:44.10 | zeus | is there a way i can go to my home directory and cp all my files to a usb drive? |
| 22:44.20 | mesaGL2 | just to reiterate. the office bearers of this network will (hopefully) be arrested for their complicity in the child porn scam that characterizes this network and the office bearers therein |
| 22:44.42 | elops | ty all |
| 22:44.43 | elops | :) |
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| 22:44.50 | simonrvn | mesaGL2: how about you shut up instead? |
| 22:45.45 | simonrvn | mesaGL2: if you have a serious issue, you wouldn't be trollign here, and instead budding the network ops in #freenode. |
| 22:45.45 | mesaGL2 | simonrvn: i never thought you were a part of this. just shows you how wrong people can be |
| 22:45.54 | simonrvn | bugging* |
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| 22:46.17 | jinnstar | just don't feed the trolls |
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| 22:47.25 | Akuw | what repository have mencoder? |
| 22:47.33 | mesaGL2 | the fact of the matter is this : i would have been kickbanned long ago. except those with the power are now under arrest |
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| 22:47.55 | simonrvn | !dmm |
| 22:47.55 | dpkg | well, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 22:48.00 | simonrvn | Akuw: ^^^ |
| 22:48.37 | petern_ | buh |
| 22:48.47 | petern_ | so bluetooth works in lenny... as root :s |
| 22:49.09 | simonrvn | petern_: might need to be in some group, like netdev or something |
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| 22:49.44 | petern_ | hm |
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| 22:50.11 | xcat | i have a computer on two networks, one is 169.254.10.x and the other is 192.168.1.x. 192.168.1.x network has internet and the computer has a proxy setup right now to listen on port 8118. i setup privoxy as an intercepting proxy- and used iptables to redirect all web traffic to the intercepting proxy. how can i get all computers on 169.254.10.x to automatically use the privoxy proxy? |
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| 22:50.45 | vlt | Hello. Is the name of the md device stored in the md superblock? I tried to understand the mdadm script in initrd's /scripts/local-top/ dir but the only thing it seems to use is mdadm's "--scan" option. |
| 22:50.52 | petern_ | simonrvn, thanks |
| 22:50.58 | simonrvn | petern_: gl |
| 22:50.58 | petern_ | that's a bit... er... unintuitive :s |
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| 22:51.00 | zeus | i am this close to getting rid of debian |
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| 22:51.40 | simonrvn | zeus: um, would help if you asked a question, instead of bitching about "i'm about to remove debian" |
| 22:51.43 | xcat | zeus: i take it you use it on the desktop? |
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| 22:51.49 | jpinx-eeepc | zeus: how close is that and why? |
| 22:51.55 | mesaGL2 | zeus: you should. they are paedohiles. just like the entire freenode netwrok |
| 22:52.03 | zeus | i'm using fedora on anothe rmachine and it seems more stable |
| 22:52.04 | abrotman | mesaGL2: watch it |
| 22:52.04 | dkr | jpinx-eeepc: you didn't see him holding his fingers together when he said it? :) |
| 22:52.30 | abrotman | zeus: what about it is not working? |
| 22:52.39 | mesaGL2 | abrotman: fuck you, paedophile. ban me. and let's see who burns |
| 22:52.43 | abrotman | xcat: 169.254 usually isn't a real network |
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| 22:52.54 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@82-41-48-4.cable.ubr07.sgyl.blueyonder.co.uk] by abrotman |
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| 22:52.56 | jpinx-eeepc | zeus: tell us the problem or error |
| 22:52.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 22:53.02 | zeus | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.03 | dkr | an imposter mesaGL trying to get real one banned? |
| 22:53.04 | xcat | abrotman: your right. it isn't. it is a virtualbox network |
| 22:53.10 | Akuw | i have an error in synaptic W: GPG error: |
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| 22:53.26 | zeus | configuration error? |
| 22:53.36 | simonrvn | zeus: um, the powe mgr. doesn't have anything to do with starting x. |
| 22:53.39 | jpinx-eeepc | zeus: that is a gnome issue - no? |
| 22:53.39 | ruben23 | hi how can i share screen...on ssh on a single server login |
| 22:53.40 | simonrvn | power* |
| 22:53.49 | ruben23 | with 2 ssh user on same account user |
| 22:53.50 | dkr | or just a drunk mesaGL, heh |
| 22:53.52 | simonrvn | ruben23: screen |
| 22:54.21 | ruben23 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.23 | zeus | regardless should i remove gnome and re-install? |
| 22:54.31 | simonrvn | ruben23: man screen |
| 22:54.46 | jpinx-eeepc | zeus: it's not clear what your problem is |
| 22:54.49 | zeus | or should i remove gnome and install that K thing? |
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| 22:55.00 | jpinx-eeepc | zeus: I use lxde |
| 22:55.52 | jpinx-eeepc | zeus: can you be more specific about the problem and your requirements |
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| 22:56.03 | vlt | ruben23: `screen -x` for example |
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| 22:56.15 | abrotman | dkr: yes |
| 22:56.18 | abrotman | dkr: the former |
| 22:56.40 | zeus | can i (from maintenence mode) cp my files to a usb drive so i can reinstall |
| 22:56.48 | simonrvn | you'll have to modify it to allow another non-current user to use that screen session. |
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| 22:56.59 | simonrvn | zeus: you have our permission. |
| 22:57.22 | jpinx-eeepc | zeus: what files are you trying to save? |
| 22:57.36 | ruben23 | vlt: on both user...? |
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| 22:57.54 | zeus | simorvn, you are an ass! and a prima donna! |
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| 22:58.13 | jpinx-eeepc | ruben23: read man screen -- please! |
| 22:58.14 | simonrvn | ruben23: first one starts screen, second needs permission to connect to the first user's screen session. the manual covers this. |
| 22:58.24 | vlt | ruben23: One user starts (or attaches to) the screen, the other joins with "-x". |
| 22:58.24 | simonrvn | zeus: you're welcome |
| 22:58.32 | jpinx-eeepc | zeus: do you have a debian question? |
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| 22:58.53 | dpro | hi |
| 22:59.08 | zeus | when a person is drowning, you would throw a bowling bowl. No manners |
| 22:59.10 | vlt | ruben23: (Same system user) |
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| 22:59.36 | dpro | anyone knows of a quick fix to get flash 10 to display not latin characters ? |
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| 23:00.38 | simonrvn | dpro: i haven't seen flash behave properly with unicode,and non-latin chars |
| 23:01.06 | jpinx-eeepc | dpro: not *both* -- one or other iirc |
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| 23:01.33 | jpinx-eeepc | dpro: but that's a flash issue, not really a debian problem |
| 23:01.41 | CooPs89 | hello, need a mailer that's more lightweight than postfix/sendmail, just to relay stuff from localhost to other smtp servers |
| 23:02.06 | CooPs89 | any good suggestions? |
| 23:02.14 | jpinx-eeepc | CooPs89: do a search with aptitudec |
| 23:02.45 | jpinx-eeepc | !poll |
| 23:02.46 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
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| 23:02.55 | dpro | jpinx-eeepc: /me realizes that, I just thought why not ask the smart guys that might know how to get it to work on debian instead of complaining to adobe who don't give a **** |
| 23:03.24 | jpinx-eeepc | dpro: sure - but does any other distro have a solution? |
| 23:04.03 | dpro | I just try to polish up my language skills on livemocha.com and greek just doesn't work |
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| 23:05.05 | dpro | jpinx-eeepc: some googling revealed some hacks (like symlinking stuff) I also installed the msttcorefonts but no difference |
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| 23:05.47 | jpinx-eeepc | dpro: we you find an answer - post it somewhere easy to find ;) |
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| 23:06.07 | dpro | jpinx-eeepc: I will :) |
| 23:06.50 | jpinx-eeepc | dpro: I confess to never seeing that asked before |
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| 23:08.06 | CooPs89 | nullmailer seems perfect |
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| 23:10.02 | dpro | jpinx-eeep: It's just a bit tedious to figure out where flash actually looks for fonts when all I have is "strings" I don't really feel like stracing an entire mozilla session ... could try adobe's standalone player though and write a tiny swf that just displays "Îια ÏοÏ
" ;) |
| 23:10.13 | LoRez | how can one tell what aptitude thinks the default release is? |
| 23:10.31 | abrotman | with the preferences |
| 23:11.12 | abrotman | APT::Default-Release "testing" |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | for example |
| 23:11.13 | LoRez | it's not set in my preferences file. |
| 23:11.31 | abrotman | apt-cache policy will show how the pinning is set |
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| 23:13.25 | LoRez | var/lib/dpkg/status says release a=now |
| 23:14.03 | LoRez | that normal? |
| 23:14.18 | LoRez | hrm, sounds nominal |
| 23:15.17 | iluminator101 | how do i reverse this command route -A inet -C -n ??? |
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| 23:16.39 | qwd | What does it mean when a file is green and has an * before it in midnight commander? |
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| 23:17.17 | dkr | executable? |
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| 23:18.18 | qwd | dkr: that's it! thanks! |
| 23:18.40 | babilen_ | Hi all... It would be great to get some help in #debian@OFTC - more questions than people and I want to take a break. Thanks and have a great night! |
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| 23:19.39 | qwd | What does Ubuntu have to do with anything in dpkgs reply to "bad polls"? |
| 23:19.53 | abrotman | huh? |
| 23:19.58 | qwd | !bad polls |
| 23:19.59 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian. |
| 23:20.26 | abrotman | qwd: because we get asked a lot of questions about Ubuntu that belong in #ubuntu |
| 23:21.34 | qwd | abrotman: yeah I know that, I just don't see the connection to polls. isn't that what "!based on debian" (or whatever it was) is for? |
| 23:21.52 | abrotman | qwd: i didn't make it |
| 23:22.45 | multi_io_ | is there a difference right now between specifying "lenny" and specifying "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 23:23.13 | qwd | multi_io_: not right now, but once squeeze goes stable there will be. |
| 23:23.43 | dpro | hehe I just updated to flashplayer 10.1 beta from labs.adobe.com and for cyrillic I now get garbage, way better than the nothing I got before >;-> |
| 23:23.55 | multi_io_ | so, if I change lenny to stable in sources.list on an updated system, apt-get update will do nothing? |
| 23:23.58 | Akuw | i need to convert mpeg to flv |
| 23:24.33 | dpro | Akuw: mencoder |
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| 23:26.16 | qwd | multi_io_: correct, they're the same (for now) |
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| 23:28.35 | multi_io_ | qwd: I know, but I thought it may be relevant that the path to the deb files on the server changes if you rename lenny to stable in sources.list. |
| 23:28.52 | multi_io_ | so apt won't be confused by that? |
| 23:29.00 | spldart | I'm trying to build an old nvidia module for a very old nvidia card in lenny. The kernel was built on gcc-4.1 so I apt-get installed gcc-4.1 afte rthe module told me it needed it But its still saying it can't find one in the path... I checked in terminal, and forgive me if this is stupid, at the prompt with which gcc but nothing got listed. Any ideas? |
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| 23:29.36 | jpinx-eeepc | multi_io_: use "lenny" not "stable" ;) |
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| 23:34.56 | spldart | And if I just let module-assistant prep my system for building things and then build the package from nvidia it errors out with a large complicated dump in /var/log/nvidia-blah blah |
| 23:35.04 | multi_io_ | jpinx-eeepc: ...so I wouldn't suddenly receive hunderts of upgrades when squeeze becomes stable? |
| 23:35.15 | multi_io_ | *hundrets |
| 23:35.27 | jpinx-eeepc | multi_io_: exactly ;) |
| 23:35.30 | spldart | But that's after opting into a build using gcc-4.3 after the installer warns against it. |
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| 23:37.33 | jpinx-eeepc | multi_io_: *hundreds ;) |
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| 23:40.00 | LoRez | abrotman: so you can't specify your default release or your pinning by version codename? |
| 23:40.17 | abrotman | LoRez: ISTR that may be broken |
| 23:40.18 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 23:40.18 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 23:41.03 | LoRez | if I set the default release to "lenny", then everything comes up priority 500 in apt-cache policy. if I set it to "stable" then everything's 990 |
| 23:41.31 | LoRez | meaning it "belongs" to the target release. |
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| 23:51.10 | FIReun | platform: ubuntu intrepid amd64 -- trying to install libgtk2.0-dev but its complaining that I have libgtk2.14.4-0ubuntu2 installed and libgtk2.0-dev depends on ubuntu1 and so cannot be installed |
| 23:51.16 | FIReun | any suggestions on how to fix this? |
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| 23:51.54 | babilen | !ubuntu |
| 23:51.54 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 23:51.57 | FIReun | maybe disabling intrepid-proposed and then --reinstalling libgtk2.0-0 will get me back to ubuntu1 and so able to install libgtk2.0-dev ? |
| 23:52.04 | jmarsden | FIReun: Ask in a Ubuntu support channel, maybe? This is #debian |
| 23:52.11 | FIReun | ah frak |
| 23:52.17 | _SKiTZO | xen + debian lenny = empty /sys/firmware/ibft during initrd. any known workarounds? |
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| 23:52.26 | FIReun | damn fascists |
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