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00:00.20filibertois it possible to install packages from the install cd (switching to a virtual console and dpkg -i packagename)?
00:01.04nvzLets see if I remember this correctly... if I have two nics in here, eth0 and eth1 and I bridge them and dhclient br0 (eth0 connected to the router) I can connect another pc to eth1 and when it asks for dhcp it will also get it through the bridge from the router right?
00:01.23abrotmanfiliberto: sure
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00:02.01filibertoabrotman: thanks. do you know if the netinstall img also has dpkg in the live environment? I'm going to install ndiswrapper
00:02.07babilennvz: i would think so.
00:02.17abrotmanfiliberto: not sure
00:02.24nvzbabilen: me too, just been awhile.. heh.
00:03.02nvzI mean the netbook is already connected wirelessly.. and its probably better that way actually as the f'n hub is already getting lots of collisions on it
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00:04.32_SKiTZOi need to patch the kernel. the patch is really tiny, only fixes a few lines. what is the best way to apply the kernel to an existing debian kernel?
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00:05.17_SKiTZOis it all manual labour or is there a more elegant way?
00:05.19simonrvnapply the patch you mean? source of course. linux-source-foo
00:05.24_SKiTZOok
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00:05.46_SKiTZOand when i bukild that it will have the exact same config and the same patches as the linux-image-foo that is shipped with debian?
00:05.54_SKiTZObuild
00:06.05_SKiTZO(+ my patch ofc)
00:06.27simonrvni'm not sure, check the package description, it should say so.
00:06.34_SKiTZOok
00:06.35_SKiTZOthanks
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00:07.04simonrvni'd mod the extra version though (--append-to-version > make-kpkg) so you know in the future what it is ;).
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00:07.51_SKiTZOsimonrvn: if ppl ask the same q again the answer is : http://packages.debian.org/lenny/kernel-package
00:07.55_SKiTZO:)
00:08.22CooPs89okay, used apitiude and found a lot of lightweight smtp relays but none of them supported mailing directly to the target, seems like all of them required you to configure them as a smart host (eg "enter your isp's mail relay address here")
00:08.23simonrvnthat's to make the kernel packages . it's not kernel source.
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00:13.11Caelumthe layout settings in gnome-keyboard-properties have no effect for me
00:13.18bolthow do I do that thing where an existing directory is re-mounted somewhere else?
00:13.22Caelumany other way to map winkey to hyper?
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00:13.33Caelumbolt: mount --bind I think
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00:13.53boltCaelum: indeed it is. i
00:14.04boltCaelum: i have to write that one down  :)  thanks
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00:15.14simonrvnCooPs89: that's what they do. you can always send it off to an mta you control, or your isp's, and let them handle the direct send.
00:18.41CooPs89so what's the most lightweight smtp relay/mta that can send the mails directly to the destination?
00:19.04abrotmanprobably exim4 or postfix
00:19.09Caelumssmtp
00:19.54CooPs89tried ssmtp, it had a "mailhub=xyz" configuration described as "The place where the mail goes."
00:19.57abrotmanthat's only for smarthosts
00:19.57Caelumah right
00:19.57abrotmanhe asked for a full send/receive smtpd
00:20.32CooPs89looking at exim...
00:21.54CooPs89a ssmtp without a mailhub=xyz, that uses MX lookup instead, would be pure awesome
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00:22.43jpinx-eeepcCooPs89: what happened to nullmailer?
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00:23.51jpinx-eeepcCooPs89: or esmtp ?
00:24.20CooPs89"Once nullmailer is installed you will be prompted to configure it. There are only two things to do:"
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00:24.26CooPs89"Specify your "smarthost" - which is the machine mail(s) should be forwarded to."
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00:24.35CooPs89nullmailer == ssmtp
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00:26.16jpinx-eeepcCooPs89: so specify gmail?
00:26.39paranoidfreakhi everybody, is there an app that i could use to stream videos/audios to my ipod touch?
00:26.40Caelumanyone know how I can remap winkey to hyper with xmodmap?
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00:27.20simonrvnused to... haven't touched that in years.
00:27.22CooPs89esmtp also relays to a certain host and not to the destination
00:27.31enyawixwow that was not fun
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00:27.43CooPs89nah, relaying somewhere else would be ugly
00:28.17jpinx-eeepcCooPs89: I believe gmail copes with it well
00:28.44enyawixhad to make a script to remove every package that depended on what i wanted to remove
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00:30.14Caelumjpinx-eeepc: the problem with using gmail as a relay is it rewrites all your From headers to come from gmail
00:30.17enyawixanyone running freepbx? on debian? i did not see freepbx.deb
00:31.24jpinx-eeepcCaelum: is that a problem?
00:31.46jpinx-eeepcI use google applications to do all my mail
00:32.00Caelumjpinx-eeepc: well, if you don't mind that not a problem at all :)
00:32.10simonrvnit can be, if you want it to come from a certain site.
00:32.24jpinx-eeepcCaelum: and it uses all y domains
00:32.28simonrvnor just preserve the from
00:32.50enyawixjpinx-eeepc: is their a google spread sheet I use the text editor all the time
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00:33.47jpinx-eeepcbelieves gmail can cope with esmtp or similar forwarding but has not actually set it up yet.
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00:37.27jpinx-eeepcnotes configuring esmtp and gmail on his to-do list
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00:39.15simonrvnif i could get the guy at the isp to accept my ppp request for a static ip, i'd be happy ;).
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00:40.22jpinx-eeepcsimonrvn: can you not use dyndns?
00:40.45simonrvnit doesn't override the rdns.
00:41.59Caelumkeysym Super_L = Hyper_L seems to have done the trick, yay
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00:42.46simonrvnCaelum: \o/
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00:45.02TangentCollisionOKAY, WHEN DID A NEW DEBIAN COME OUT?
00:46.26nan8TangentCollision: lame, try again
00:46.31nvzTangentCollision: well, there was that tipe in august 14th of 2000..
00:46.40TangentCollisionlenny?
00:46.51TangentCollisionit was etch last time I checked
00:46.57jpinx-eeepcTangentCollision: do you have a soecific debian question?
00:46.58nvzTangentCollision: then it happened again on the 19th of july in 2002..
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00:47.21TangentCollisionseptember 5th 2009, debian lenny
00:47.30abrotmanearlier than that
00:47.31abrotman!lenny
00:47.32dpkglenny is, like, the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214   Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>.  Currently <5.0.3>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny
00:47.45TangentCollisionthis means I have to download it and make my eeepc suck it down
00:47.52pobegaWow, Lenny's only nine months old? time sure does fly
00:47.53nvzna lenny released long before that
00:47.55TangentCollisionyeah, I checked late 2008
00:48.06jpinx-eeepcTangentCollision: what do you have installed now?
00:48.26TangentCollisionatm the eeepc has archlinux, but my server has etch
00:48.49jpinx-eeepcTangentCollision: netinstall on the eeepc is trivial
00:48.57nvzMyself, I currently am sitting in front of a synergy station I just setup, with Squeeze on the desktop and Lenny on the netbook sitting on top of the monitor..
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00:49.29nvznothing real impressive, just enough to be dangerous
00:49.38jpinx-eeepcTangentCollision: and etch->lenny is easy if you follow the guide
00:49.49TangentCollisionwell, you see...
00:50.07TangentCollisionI've kindof made my server unworkable by anyone else but I :P
00:50.16TangentCollisionit's now etchbuntu o.O
00:50.42pobegaMixed and matched repositories?
00:50.50TangentCollisionyeah :P
00:50.55pobegatsk tsk tsk, for shame
00:51.05jpinx-eeepcTangentCollision: you can save the data and do a fresh netinstall
00:51.17TangentCollisionI don't believe I need to
00:51.21TangentCollisionit does everything
00:51.26pobegaYou *do realize* that Debian stable has backports/apt-pinning, right? Mixing Ubuntu packages isn't really a good idea
00:51.26TangentCollisionI want it to do*
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00:51.43jpinx-eeepcTangentCollision: don't expect much helo here for such a bastard system
00:51.53pobegaagrees with jpinx-eeepc
00:51.54TangentCollisionI don't expect help
00:51.59TangentCollisionI know how to use it :P
00:52.01nvzremembers that he doesn't like faketato chips and returns the pringles to the kitchen
00:52.16TangentCollisionI've been using this server since 2002
00:52.31jpinx-eeepcpoints TangentCollision to #debian-offtopic
00:53.51TangentCollisionI was just popping in to check when this happened against the community, I switched over to not deal with the community much. bastardizing systems is what works for me best...anyways, have a good evening/morning/afternoon everyone
00:54.04TangentCollisionthanks for the date
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00:54.23pobegaGoogle sure would've been quicker, but take care
00:54.44jpinx-eeepcyea - but you don't annoy anyone when your just google ;)
00:55.07pobegagood point
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00:58.22tuvis there a way/plugin to make gedit show spaces at the end of the line?
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01:00.30nan8thinks M-x delete-trailing-whitespace
01:01.05tuvstresses GEdit
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01:01.57nan8_deletes_ all trailing whitespaces
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01:03.16jpinx-eeepctuv: not really debian, but you asked about "showing" the blank spaces... ?
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01:05.31tuvM-x show-ws-toggle-show-trailing-whitespace seems to do it for emacs. looking for an equivalent functionality in gedit
01:07.31jpinx-eeepctuv I use scite and it has a simple option in "view" to show any whitespace~~c
01:08.03jpinx-eeepctuv invoked by shift-ctrl-a
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01:08.35nan8tuv: you really need to show them? can't you just delete them? never seen useful trailing whitespace
01:08.48woobyis anyone booting from a compactflash-ide adapter with 2.6?
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01:11.16tuvnan8: i'm trying to convince someone to delete them by showing them how ugly they are
01:11.18nvzwooby: suppose I knew a chap in england who did.. what good would that do you?
01:12.11nan8tuv: lol
01:12.19woobynvz: kernel boot fails with 'cannot open root device 303'
01:12.49nvzok..
01:13.02woobynvz: as far as i can tell my lilo config is alright... the kernel comes up off the /boot partition, hda1
01:13.10nvzthat could be a misconfigured bootloader, the fact that its a compact flash really has nothing to do with it
01:13.56nvzthe system really shouldnt know or care that its CF, as IDE is a standard, and thats the bus that the kernel has a driver for, so beyond the IDE technology the kernel is unaware
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01:14.33nvzeither the disk is not inserted or working, the adapter doesnt work, or its misconfigured.
01:14.40TrueDDGnight to all
01:14.54woobyfor me, it made a difference setting up... i had to configure lilo.conf on the host machine to burn to /dev/sdc
01:15.06woobyin any case here's me lilo.conf, if anyone sees anything wrong with it: http://pastebin.com/d13560580
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01:15.55woobyi've tested both the card and the adapter in another box, so far no reason to believe either is non working
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01:16.31woobywhen i boot with a rescue disk, i'm also able to mount /dev/hda3 on the machine
01:16.44woobyso that's where i'm at i suppose, any help greatly appreciated
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01:18.54Kamping_Kaiserif apt doesn't find Packages.bz2 files with it automagicaly try Packages.gz?
01:18.56nvzwooby: well that error is generally caused by incorrect boot loader (we're thinking that looks good), device isn't there or doesn't work (ruling that out), leaves only misconfigured kernel
01:19.25nvzwooby: whats the story behind your kernel?
01:19.42nvzwooby: if it were a debian kernel you would need an initrd line in that lilo config
01:19.46woobynvz: vanilla 2.6.18.1 with 486 arch
01:19.47nvzfor one thing
01:19.58nvzwhich brings me back to the first guess
01:20.51nvzas the initrd is what would load the drivers for the filesystem and the disk controller allowing it to mount the filesystem on hda3
01:21.09nvzbeing that the line is not there, would explain why it doesnt boot
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01:22.08nvztakes woobys silence to mean "doh!"
01:22.22SkaagI'm building a .deb file with dpkg-deb, I've specified dependencies in DEBIAN/control but when I attempt to dpkg -i mypackage.deb it just says they are not installed, instead of trying to install them, is that normal?
01:22.43woobynvz: :)
01:22.56nvzSkaag: dpkg doesnt resolve deps that I'm aware, thats apt's job
01:22.58woobynvz: thanks i'll give that a shot
01:23.08nvzwooby: heh. good luck
01:23.17Skaagso how do I install a local package with dependency resolution?
01:23.37nvzSkaag: gdebi does it I think.. but other than that I'm not real sure
01:23.41dondelelcaroSkaag: you build a mini archive, and then install it using apt-get or aptitude
01:24.00nvzor what dondelelcaro said :-P
01:24.10Skaaglike what I usually do with apt-proxy?
01:24.31Skaagthis is what i've done in the past, I had a local repository for debian on the local lan
01:24.59nvzsince he's lookin, this is a good time to grab a smoke.. heh. My work here is done :-P
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01:27.33Skaagwhat do you mean by mini archive?
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01:28.13junkNeed help on configuring TOR... atm Vidalia gives error about Tor might already be running... i don't get shit about it atm xD anyone that could explain?
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01:28.58dondelelcaroSkaag: I mean, something small that you handle with apt-ftparchive, instead of a full up archive run with dak
01:29.01junkah yeah... reason i go here is because it has to run on debian ;)
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01:30.18Skaagdondelelcaro: yah, crap, I thought i would manage to avoid having to do that..
01:30.24Skaagthanks man
01:32.18Seth_HikaruHi I have Debian Lenny 5.0.3 amd64 and Im having a problem with my network cards because my servers system board burnt up a few weeks ago and i replaced it and now my network devices are eth2 and eth3 and will not work. I want to know if there is a way to change them back to eth0 and eth1 like they were by somehow rescanning for hardware.
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01:33.06MAd_haTTerSeth_Hikaru: you can do that with udev from what i understand
01:33.12MAd_haTTerive not done it tho..
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01:33.36Seth_Hikaruthen i have no idea how to use udev
01:33.50Seth_Hikaruive never dealt with it
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01:34.05MAd_haTTerwell no one is born with knowladge..
01:34.20MAd_haTTerditto, point is seems like its time to learn
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01:34.58Seth_Hikarutelling me would help because i need to get thid server back up and running
01:35.05Seth_Hikaruthis*
01:35.43adb!70
01:35.43dpkgudev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090.  The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch).  If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file.  To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module.  See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>.
01:35.47SkaagI've setup lighttpd to serve my local ubuntu repository, where can I read about how to maintain its structure correctly, to provide my .deb files?
01:35.49abrotman!tell Seth_Hikaru about 70
01:35.52adbSeth_Hikaru, ^^
01:35.57MAd_haTTerwell surely you are not asking me to go learn udev and spoon feed you..
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01:36.15MAd_haTTeryoull starve before that happens (and i mean that in the nicest way)
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01:37.32qwdjunk: there's a great guide on the tor site. Just follow the instructions.
01:38.09junkqwd: thanks for the reply; i wouldn't popup on google.. so i will try that
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01:38.19elipsoidHi
01:38.23Seth_Hikaruwell i need help on reloading the correct drivers also
01:38.34Seth_Hikarumodule*
01:39.11MAd_haTTerjunk: if you start something and it quite because tor might already be running, perhaps do a ps aux|grep tor, and kill the running tor and try again
01:39.23MAd_haTTerquits*
01:39.39junkmmm i did: /etc/init.d/tor stop
01:39.55MAd_haTTerwhat did it reply with
01:39.55junkit stopped but TOR wouldn't work anyway :S so something else was wrong aswell
01:40.06junkstopping tor deamon: tor
01:40.12MAd_haTTershrugs
01:40.15jpinx-eeepcdmesg?
01:40.25multi_io_does anyone use dash for /bin/sh ?
01:40.30junka well... deinstall and reinstall xD
01:40.35MAd_haTTertry the ps aux |grep tor
01:40.57simonrvncheck it anyway. sometimes it says that ffor an init script, and doesn't actually stop the daemon.
01:41.03simonrvnfor*
01:41.10multi_io_dash is getting installed here b/c of some dependency, and it wants to install itself as teh default /bin/sh
01:41.18simonrvnmulti_io_: a lot of people do
01:41.39simonrvnmulti_io_: it's going to be installed as such next release.
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01:42.08jpinx-eeepcwhat's the difference?
01:42.10MAd_haTTermulti_io_: you can always do a chshell i think it was, and set bash to your shell (even tho /bin/sh >> dash)
01:42.20elipsoidI may have a fool question, but is it possible to change a stable debian to an unstable one easily like in gentoo when you just have to change some variables ?
01:42.22simonrvndash is smaller, posix compliant
01:42.41simonrvncertainly quicker...
01:42.58MAd_haTTerelipsoid: you need to modify etc/apt/sources.list
01:43.00abrotmanelipsoid: is it easy, yes .. advisable .. not if you're asking how
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01:43.14abrotmanelipsoid: in other words, please do not do this
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01:43.18simonrvnelipsoid: yes, but you should be prepared for extreme breakage, including in the package management system.
01:43.31simonrvnwhat abrotman said
01:43.58simonrvnamitz: /msg the bot next time, thanks
01:44.24simonrvn(its name is dpkg, fyi)
01:44.32amitzsimonrvn: got it, sorry.
01:44.58simonrvnamitz: np, just cuts down on the signal to noise ratio doing that =)
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01:45.18simonrvner, cuts down on the noise ...
01:45.54multi_io_simonrvn / MAd_haTTer : but is it recommended to use it as the /bin/sh already? I'd image there may be compatibility issues with scripts using bash-specific features even though they specify #!/bin/sh
01:46.20elipsoidMAd_haTTer Ok, thanks. So that's just as easy =). So I'll download a stable version and see later. simonrvn, I was on a unstable gentoo, seemed to work relatively fine. Isn't it the same with debian ?
01:46.27jpinx-eeepcnotes to not learn anymore bash scripting
01:46.28multi_io_have those been shaken out already in testing?
01:46.40simonrvnmulti_io_: packages are built with sh in mind, otherwise there's an explicit bash hashbang
01:46.59abrotmanmulti_io_: they're ssupposed to have been fixed long ago
01:47.05simonrvnindeed
01:47.42simonrvnlast time i saw a bashism with no bash hashbang in a package script was last year
01:47.54simonrvn(try saying that 5 times fast)
01:48.27MAd_haTTerwhistles
01:48.31elipsoidabrotman, unstable means unusable ?! As I said, I had a gentoo x64 unstable, with in development kernels, and it worked
01:48.44simonrvnFSVO
01:48.49MAd_haTTer?
01:49.09Seth_HikaruI SAID IT 5TIMES FAST!
01:49.27Seth_HikaruThat was really tough
01:50.27Seth_HikaruI can't get udevadmtrigger to work
01:50.46abrotmanelipsoid: the point is not how unstable it is, but your ability to fix the debian packaging system and issues with it
01:51.57elipsoidYeah, ok, since I'm a debian noob, let's not try to make it harder :x
01:52.10Seth_HikaruHello any help please?
01:53.11Seth_HikaruHow do I get udevadmtrigger to work?
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01:54.38jpinx-eeepcelipsoid: if you're a new debian user - install lenny and get to know it before tackling anything harder
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01:55.17abrotmanelipsoid: pretty much .. unstable can break in interesting ways
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01:55.46Seth_HikaruHello is anyone going to answer my question?
01:55.56xinmingAnyone here knows wether mplayer is compiled with joystick support within debian please?
01:56.04darkblue_Bwhat provides the naming on a machine such that I can say ssh me@abc.local ?
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01:56.24abrotmanSeth_Hikaru: you were told awhile ago
01:56.40Seth_HikaruYes I was.
01:56.41darkblue_Bmplayer - isnt there a command that shows all the libs linked to a binary?
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01:57.01Seth_HikaruBut udevadmtrigger is not a bash command
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01:57.15abrotmanSeth_Hikaru: wtf ..
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01:57.24Seth_HikaruWhat?
01:57.29abrotmanjust go change the file it's talking about
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01:57.58Seth_Hikaruand do a restart i suppose?
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01:58.36elipsoidHappens frequently those splits ?
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01:59.09Seth_Hikaruabrotman?
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01:59.30abrotmanthat's the "easiest" way
01:59.32Seth_Hikarudo i do a restart to apply the changes
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01:59.40Seth_Hikaruok
01:59.51Seth_Hikaruthank you
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02:02.34darkblue_Bxinming try ldd
02:03.37darkblue_Bthat is, go ahead and install the app you are interested in, find th binary on disk, and do   ldd binary
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02:03.55darkblue_Bthats one idea, not a definitive answer
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02:17.24smanekHi, what's the 'recommended' way to install a 32bit library in a 64bit debian (I'm interested in libssl in particular)?
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02:21.52cesuraseancan someone tell me why im getting emails like this now: SparesMissing event on /dev/md0:
02:22.06nvzsmanek: I'm not real experienced in this area, but you CAN install a 32bit chroot in worst case and run the app needed via schroot
02:22.21cesuraseanA SparesMissing event had been detected on md device /dev/md0.
02:22.21RichiHsmanek: try multiib, but i am not sure if you really want to go this path
02:22.28RichiHmultilib
02:22.48RichiHcesurasean: i'd put the error into google
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02:26.46smanekRichiH/nvz: Thanks. I found some references to a 'ia32-libs' package that seems promising ... I'd rather not go down the chroot road if it's at all possible.
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02:28.38woobynvz: fixed, just built IDE into the kernel.. thanks again
02:28.57re_i'm trying to setup a rsyslog template, it works except that it doesn't do the ending newline.  anyone have any idea what i'm missing?  $template NodeFormat,"%timegenerated% %PRI-text% %HOSTNAME% %syslogtag%%msg:::drop-last-lf\n"
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02:29.41abrotmanbenedikt: which packages is it trying to remove ?
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02:30.21re_nvm, I was missing a %
02:30.22benediktabrotman: lots of them (40). linux-headers, libevolution5.0-cil, python-plasma python2.6-dev gnome-user-guide-en to mention a few
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02:31.31nvzwooby: great.. glad you got that figured out.
02:31.52nvzwooby: I've been curious about those CF things a bit since I first seen em, but never tried one yet
02:32.22woobynvz: i hadn't used one, but i have this gateway 486 subnotebook that had a crappy 100mb drive... 1gb CF vast improvement
02:32.29nvzwooby: just seems to me having your OS on a solid state drive would make things quicker and more reliable in the long run
02:32.34woobyi think it's pretty insane that i'm running 2.6 and lenny on a 486 ;)
02:32.49woobyyeah, it's silent and suspend is instant
02:32.53nvzwooby: wow, so you replaced a normal HD in a notebook with a CF? thats a pretty good idea..
02:33.52abrotmanwooby: i have one too?
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02:33.56abrotmanbenedikt: build-essential? dpkg-dev ?
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02:34.00nvzI didnt know they had mini ide ones
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02:34.18nvzI just seen the ones for desktops where you could even setup a CF raid or such
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02:34.58woobyyeah, it's a cf-> mini ide type deal
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02:35.12woobyabrotman: gateway handbook?
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02:37.34darkblue_Bwhat provides the naming on a machine such that I can say ssh me@abc.local ?
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02:37.56benediktabrotman: nope, i have neither of those
02:38.31darkblue_B.. the local part, that is
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02:40.12darkblue_Ba second Q too.. I dont know much about X.. I have a local debian 5 machine with xfce4 installed.. so I ssh -X to it, and issue xfce-panel.. and then iceweasel.. oohh soooo slow !! is there something I should set that might be the cause? or is it really that slow..
02:40.30darkblue_Bfigure 2-3mb /sec throughput on this wifi
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02:40.50abrotmanbenedikt: probably not anymore ;)
02:41.07abrotmanbenedikt: apt-cache rdepends .. aptitude why foo ..
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02:42.11benediktabrotman: good point
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02:43.30ootputor ~/ssh/.config
02:44.03acuI am trying to install squeeze daily and the mirrors are not recognized during installation
02:44.09acuwha should I do
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02:46.56darkblue_Bootput: hmm I htought I heard someone say somethin different once, but I dont know
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02:47.35darkblue_B.. in other words that doesnt sound like the answer I thought I heard before
02:47.48darkblue_B.. but I could easily be mistaked
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02:50.01ootputdark bl what is abc.local?
02:50.31ootputurg
02:51.27benediktootput: something on your local network. the .local prefix is popular in windows deployments
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02:52.21Seth_HikaruI need moar help
02:52.31Seth_HikaruOk heres the situation
02:52.34benediktSeth_Hikaru: 4chan is that way -->
02:52.48benediktbut go on... :-)
02:53.04Seth_HikaruAnd so is real life sometimes...but anyway
02:53.16acuhow I start the ssh server
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02:53.43Seth_Hikaruok i changed my eth2 and eth3 back to eth0 and eth1
02:54.02Seth_Hikaruby editing that file in the udev dir
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02:56.22acuhow do you stop ping
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02:56.38nvzacu: break, ctrl+c
02:56.41Seth_Hikaruwhen i go to change my network settings from roaming to dhcp for both interfaces and save the config file and then close the network properties it reverts back to roaming mode and wont load the config so im wondering if re-loading the drivers would fix it
02:56.41DSlenentineacu: ^c
02:56.47nvzacu: or you invoke it with a counter -c
02:56.56acuthanks
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02:57.42Seth_HikaruSo what should i do guys?
02:59.02Seth_Hikaruhello is anyone here that hasnt quit due to a netsplit that can answer my question
02:59.04DSlenentineSeth_Hikaru: /etc/init.d/networking restart ?
02:59.15Seth_Hikaruwhat
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02:59.39DSlenentineHave you tried restarting the networking daemon with that command?
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02:59.44Seth_Hikaruum no
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03:00.06Seth_Hikaruill try it though
03:00.12DSlenentineWhen you say config file you're talking about /etc/network/interfaces, right?
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03:01.14acuhow can you browse with a text web browser
03:01.23acuis there a text webrower
03:01.24Seth_Hikaruno /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
03:01.37DSlenentineOh.
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03:01.45nvzacu: links2, w3m are the top two
03:01.45Seth_Hikaruthere was a eth conflict i resolves there
03:02.12nvzacu: indicating that there are many more
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03:02.12Seth_Hikaruim done talking about that
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03:03.13nvzacu: I'll tell you a little story.. they invented this thing called emacs, that was suppose to be a text editor, shortly afterwords you could do everything with text.. the end.. heh
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03:03.49DSlenentine# This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules
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03:09.12memnonnvz: C-r they RET M-d RMS ;)
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03:10.13DSlenentineSeth_Hikaru: Try reloading the drivers then, I guess. I've never configured networking with that file.
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03:10.38nvzmemnon: I'm sorry, I love RMS, but I don't speak emacs.. I was just attempting a joke
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03:12.37linuxguyCan I ask something........many ppl have trouble installing graphics cards from ati and nvidia.......why not just tell people if they are haing probs to install the correct drivers using the smxi script?
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03:25.36acuI have trouble getting to any of the ftp debian repositories when I install squeeze - do I need to open any special port on my router ?
03:25.52nvzlinuxguy: I think you mean sgfxi, and what "people" do or don't do is irrelevant and not on topic here
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03:26.21nsadminacu: what trouble?
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03:28.03jpinx-eeepcacu: no - try different mirrors or try using apt-spy
03:28.30xinmingdarkz: thanks
03:28.50xinmingdarkz: Oops, sorry wrong completion
03:29.08linuxguynvz: it would be useful to tell newbies of the scripts, that is all I am saying.......its like being helpful?
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03:29.33nvzlinuxguy: then maybe you should hang out here and explain that to them
03:29.55nvzor better yet..
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03:30.01nvzlinuxguy: ever spent much time here?
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03:30.22nsadminI've definitely seen his nick here
03:30.37nvzlinuxguy: because what normally happens is they tell them about nvidia or whatever using the bot
03:30.58nvzand it just so happens to be real easy to make a factoid about that script and link it to the nvidia and ati factoids
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03:31.29nvz!nvidia
03:31.30dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.  If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work.  Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.  Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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03:31.49nvz!sgfxi
03:31.54nvz!smxi
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03:31.59nvznada
03:32.15jonealI just installed the nvidia driver from their website
03:32.21nvzme too
03:32.43nvzcause I just installed squeeze and the debian one in squeeze depends on 2.6.26 which isnt in squeeze, 2.6.30 is
03:33.17nvzpersonally I never heard of these scripts, but I took note of them.. may get around to seeing what they are and how they work
03:33.39nvzbut until then I don't indend to recommend them to anyone nor do I intend to change any factoids
03:34.50nsadminthe scripts are to build or install the non-free nvidia driver? or build packages?
03:35.05nvzno idea, which is why I would not tell anyone about em
03:35.09nvzheh
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03:35.41nvzlater I may look to see if they're in my package manager and maybe try removing my driver and see if they can somehow make it work again
03:35.45linuxguynvz: i dont want to cause an argument but debian is one of ther most challenging and brilliant distros out there for ppl new to debian all this aptitude and the <> etc can be confusing so to help newbies it would be helpful to point theem to either the smxi script (aptadte and graphics cards) or the sgfxi script, it would save time in reading lots of pages, copy n pasting stuff in terminal
03:35.47nsadminso they're off topic by virtue of the fact you don't know whether they're off topic :)
03:35.53ScottGWhen I run `sudo echo $PATH` my /home/user/bin folder shows up. However, when I run sudo <some program in ~/bin> I get the error "sudo: <prog.sh>: command not found" Why is this? It is obviously in my $PATH so why would it not be found?
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03:36.52nsadminotoh the stuff that builds the nvidia packages have worked well enough in the past, maybe new scripts are not needed
03:37.06zeitgeistnot to self - its advisable to clean the dust off your heatsync more often than every 6 years
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03:37.16nvznsadmin: well I looked em up on google when he mentioned them, it says they are debian specific scripts
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03:37.26nvznsadmin: but I just glanced at the website smxi.org
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03:37.49nsadminoh, well perhaps they're worth a look...
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03:37.57nvzfeeling like having a smoke and whatnot.. don't feel too much like trying random scripts at the moment
03:38.51nsadminwatches the new Beech and Bong movie "Up In Whatnot"
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03:39.38nvzIf I were to personally try them and find that they are 1) in debian, and 2) work. then I would be sure to make it apparent to people needing help in that area
03:40.08nsadminI'm guessing they might be duplicate functionality to something that is
03:40.10Joelitohi guys, is there an utility in lenny branch like gtk-chtheme for icons and cursors?
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03:41.29en1gmaim trying to install steam and it wants me to get direct3d hal....the popup says off windows xp but i only have win98, winme and vista
03:41.33en1gmawhere can i dload it
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03:42.29nsadminen1gma: windows? perhaps you would find out more specifically on #windows...
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03:42.44en1gmaon here in freenode?
03:42.51nsadminmaybe
03:42.53xenomeis there an easy way to remove a package and all the packages it just installed along with it?
03:43.05en1gmathis has to do with wine more then anything i bet
03:43.10xenomesomething like apt-get reverse =)
03:43.27Joelitoxenome, try apt-get remove poopy-package
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03:43.57nsadminbut there is as much windows support here as there is on their $150/hour tech support... i.e., none :)
03:43.59xenomewell does that take off all the stuff it just put on? obviously I can't remove all its dependencies as it would probably delete libc
03:44.27en1gmamaybe ill got into winehq
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03:44.55Joelitoxenome, the rest is done by apt-get autoremoe
03:44.57Joelitoxenome, the rest is done by apt-get autoremove
03:45.06xenomegotcha
03:45.12xenomeyep just tried that
03:45.12Joelitoto remove the leftovers :D
03:45.26xenomedidn't realize apt tells you that ;)
03:45.42xenomethanks
03:45.56Joelitoxenome, np :)
03:46.07j_14xenome: unlike apt-get, aptitude will remove automatically installed packages by default
03:46.43Seth_Hikarui need help
03:46.58Seth_Hikarumy network isint working
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03:47.38Seth_Hikarucan someone help
03:48.15Seth_Hikaruhow do i use the command /lib/udev/write_net_rules
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03:49.06Seth_Hikaruit keeps telling me im missing it
03:49.45Seth_HikaruHello can anyone help me pkease
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03:50.11Seth_Hikarui really need to get my internet working
03:51.14Seth_HikaruHEY I NEED SOME HELP HERE IVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR HELP ALL NGHT DANGIT!
03:51.35macrobatrelax and breathe, Seth_Hikaru
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03:52.02macrobatif you write a good question someone will see it
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03:53.30Seth_Hikarui dif
03:53.31nsadminSeth_Hikaru: so at that point I'm willing ONLY if you create a file detailing your situation. Full history, everything you've tried (and read, and what you took from that reading)... and for each thing you tried, what result did you expect and did you get. all error messages full and exact text. mention all google searches you have done, and what links you looked at as well.
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03:54.57Seth_Hikarunsadmin i am going to find you and stab you  Im using a phone to get help and its touchscreen only
03:55.21Seth_Hikaruyou can go to hell before i will do sych thing
03:55.35nsadminand with the added proviso that if you don't ack quickly enough, I can bail, since it's early saturday eve and I want to go meet women.
03:55.44macrobatSeth_Hikaru: maybe the forums.debian.net knows
03:55.45DSlenentineSeth_Hikaru: His request was reasonable.
03:55.58DSlenentineNo one can help unless they know what's going on.
03:56.04DSlenentineI'm leaving now.
03:56.06Seth_Hikaruok
03:56.31Seth_Hikarunsadmin
03:56.39Seth_Hikaruplese give me a bit
03:56.52nsadmindefine "bit" please
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03:57.46Seth_Hikaruim sorry for the attitide but im very frustrated over this problem
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03:58.02jpinx-eeepcSeth_Hikaru: you've been chasing this all day and you've had loads of advice already
03:58.10Seth_Hikaruill try to keep cool
03:58.20Seth_Hikarubut nothing is working
03:58.21nsadminbtw, if you can give me one case that tends to describe your situation, that would be a good thing. also, be SURE to tell me if you have a router and an internal net or just a dsl modem or whatever and a single host
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03:58.52echelonhi, is the aterm package in repo patched to support utf-8?
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03:59.21nsadminif your situation involves neither of those two and it's more complex (like a vpn) I'm not the best person for that
03:59.44Seth_Hikaruok my servers system bosrd burned up i replaced it and then my eth0 and eth1 disa
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04:00.05Seth_Hikarueth2 and eth3
04:00.10Seth_Hikaruso
04:00.19nsadminok, so you have a server, and there are what, 4 eths?
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04:00.46Seth_Hikarui changed them back
04:00.48nsadminok, and the server is also acting as a router?
04:00.55Seth_Hikaruno
04:01.04echelonwhat's the difference between aterm and aterm-ml package?
04:01.20Seth_Hikarui have s cable modem hooked to a swith
04:01.22nsadmin(0 - ml)?
04:01.31nsadminok
04:01.34Seth_Hikarufrom the switch to server then
04:01.34echelonwhat?
04:01.53Seth_Hikarui only have 1 isp
04:01.56echelonwhere is stew?
04:02.12nsadminbeef stew!
04:02.29Seth_Hikarumy problem is my ethernet wi
04:02.52nsadminso, it goes ISP <-> switch <-> (what on server)
04:03.07nvzdpkg, seen stew?
04:03.07dpkgstew <1413@stew.user.oftc.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 25d 8h 49m 28s ago, saying: 'Ornedan: have a look at syndaemon synclient'.
04:03.14Seth_Hikaruinterface will not acquire an ip adress issused by my isp
04:03.18echeloni guess i won't be getting any help from here tonight
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04:03.26nvzechelon: seems he's not around
04:03.41Seth_Hikaruthe server does nothing its the end of the line
04:03.42nsadminstew is not the only deer in the woods
04:04.06Seth_Hikaruits only one blade by the way
04:04.44nvzpatience is a virtue
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04:04.44nvzI was about to answer both of his questions
04:04.44nsadminyou want the server to get an external IP?
04:04.52Seth_Hikarucorrect
04:05.02nsadminok, I would suggest trying:
04:05.03nvzjust so happens I was outside having a smoke and bullshitting with the neighbor
04:05.15nvzheh.. impatient people are annoying
04:05.17Seth_Hikaruand it did this perfectly fine before my system b
04:05.26Seth_Hikaruoard burt up
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04:06.00nvzis beginning to think either Seth_Hikaru's enter key is way too big or his pinky is swollen
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04:06.11nsadminISP/cable modem <--> ethX on server, then ethY on server <--> switch
04:06.29Seth_Hikaruwtf
04:06.30Seth_Hikaruno
04:06.50nsadminwhy would it go to the switch?
04:06.53Seth_Hikarui want my server exactly where its at
04:07.03Seth_Hikaruit doesnt
04:07.20nsadminwhat else is on the switch?
04:07.43Seth_Hikaruim running imternet from the switch to the server like a regular compiter,
04:07.51Seth_Hikaruanother computer
04:08.16nsadminhow many IP addresses can you get from your ISP? how many have you paid for?
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04:08.41Seth_Hikaruwe dont have to pay
04:08.50Seth_Hikaruwe get unlimited
04:09.01nsadminso how many IPs are you allowed?
04:09.09Seth_Hikarucause they are static
04:09.10nsadminas many as you want?
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04:09.37nsadminstatic? are you trying to use dhcp when you should configure them static?
04:09.45Seth_Hikaruive had 6 different  ips once
04:09.50Seth_Hikaruno
04:09.56nsadminor does your admin guy want you to use dhcp?
04:10.09Seth_Hikaruit just gets them from the dhco server
04:10.17nsadminok
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04:10.41iluminator101can someone tell me why this statement is not correct http://pastebin.com/d3fa4c4c7
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04:11.00nsadmincan dhcp go thru a switch?
04:11.20Seth_Hikaruim not sure if its dynamic because every time u shut off the computer u get a new ip
04:11.51Seth_Hikaruyes
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04:11.53nsadminyou say it's static... so if that's the case you should know your IPs... do you?
04:12.00Seth_Hikaruno
04:12.29nsadminok...
04:12.31Seth_Hikarubecause the isps dhcp issues them
04:12.32SerajewelKShow do i prevent dnsmasq from overwriting /etc/resolv.conf with "nameserver 127.0.0.1" when it starts?
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04:13.04maddashi want to install python2.6 on my system. i see that the experimental repos have it packaged nicely into a deb. is there a way to install it onto my squeeze setup without either a) downloading the debs manually or b) upgrading my entire system to experimental?
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04:13.30nvzmaddash: b is not possible
04:13.35nsadminso the first thing I think is you may need to have a conversation with your provider to have him remind you exactly how you get a connection
04:13.37nvzmaddash: experimental is not a distro
04:13.40SerajewelKSi do not want it to act as a caching server
04:13.42jpinx-eeepcmaddash: backports or ssb
04:13.48nsadminthat would be in addition to what we do here
04:14.06Seth_Hikaruok listen to me
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04:14.10Seth_Hikarui msy
04:14.14nsadmindo you have anything like tcpdump or ethereal?
04:14.25nsadmincause here's the second thing I'm thinking...
04:14.31nvzmaddash: personally I'm skert of the new python because they claim to have changed things drastically and I don't feel like learning it.. heh
04:14.39maddashnvz: thank you for that
04:14.46maddashjpinx-eeepc: ssb?
04:14.55Seth_Hikarumay have firgotten the difference between static and dynamic
04:14.59Seth_Hikarubut
04:15.02jpinx-eeepc!tell maddash about ssb
04:15.14Seth_Hikarumy issue is purl
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04:15.37Seth_Hikarupurely software related
04:15.40maddashjpinx-eeepc: is that an acronym? the factoid got cut off
04:15.49jpinx-eeepc!ssb
04:15.49dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
04:15.55nsadminI don't know enough about switches to know whether dhcp goes through them... dhcp is a broadcast protocol which uses the ultimate bcast addr 255.255.255.255
04:16.02Seth_Hikaruomb
04:16.22nsadminso I want to have you test to see if dhcp does get thru
04:16.26jpinx-eeepcask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate>  if sid is too old)
04:16.30Seth_Hikarui HAVE DRIVER ISSUES WITH MY SERVER
04:16.44Seth_HikaruHELP ME FIX THEM
04:16.58jpinx-eeepcmaddash: I used it a couple of times now with success
04:17.07nsadminyour caps lock seems to be stuck
04:17.17Seth_Hikarui want to kb
04:17.19jpinx-eeepcnsadmin: he's been trolling all day
04:17.23Seth_Hikaruknow*
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04:17.42Seth_Hikaruim going kill .ysel
04:17.46Seth_Hikarumyself
04:17.54maddashjpinx-eeepc: hm, there's no syntax to specify a line in sources.list for only some particular packages?
04:18.03nsadminthat's a problem I can't help you with.
04:18.07Seth_Hikaruok listen to me please
04:18.07silverstar01hey i am trying to chat in mysql and i am new to this i get this #mysql :Please register with services and use the IDENTIFY command (/msg nickserv help) to speak in this channel what does that mean
04:18.20jpinx-eeepcmaddash: no - you get that when you specify it in aptitude
04:18.30Seth_Hikarunsadmin
04:18.37nsadminif it's a driver problem, driver for what?
04:19.27Seth_Hikaruis there a way to detect network hardware like i did when i first installed debian
04:19.59jpinx-eeepcmaddash: the bit that goes "apt-get build-dep <packagename>"
04:20.09nsadminthat's a good question; I don't personally know
04:20.10macrobatsilverstar01: you register for the network. is it here on freenode you should have the same nick and paaawd
04:20.13binraptSeth_Hikaru interesting question
04:20.24binraptI've never actually been in that situation before
04:20.32maddashjpinx-eeepc: thanks!
04:20.39jpinx-eeepcmaddash: np:0
04:20.42Seth_Hikaruwell is there a way to fix my network interfaces
04:20.42nsadminso, driver for some sort of network hardware? which?
04:20.50Seth_Hikarutg3
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04:21.02Seth_Hikaruethernet interfaces
04:21.23nsadminok, is it on the mobo? or, pci card? something else?
04:21.37nsadminyou said something about a blade before
04:21.40Seth_Hikarumobi
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04:21.55Seth_Hikaruits a blade server
04:22.07nsadminok, are there lines in lspci -nn that shows the eths?
04:22.12Seth_Hikarumy system board burnt up
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04:22.38nsadminbut it's replaced, yes?
04:22.51Seth_Hikaruyes
04:22.59Seth_Hikaruthe whole entire board
04:23.00nsadminok. prev question is up:
04:23.03nsadminok, are there lines in lspci -nn that shows the eths?
04:23.15Seth_Hikaruidk
04:23.19Seth_Hikarulet me check
04:23.29nsadmingood plan...
04:23.29maddash!enter
04:23.30dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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04:24.18Seth_Hikaruyes there is nsadmin
04:24.37nsadminok, do you see the aaaa
04:24.39nsadminerr
04:24.56Seth_Hikarunics?
04:25.28Seth_Hikaruethernet controllers?
04:25.32nsadminok, do you see the aaaa:bbbb numbers? they might actually look like [1234:abcd]
04:25.43Seth_Hikaruohh
04:25.46nsadminyou should see this on every line
04:25.47Seth_Hikaruyea
04:25.57nsadminbut we want the ones for the eths
04:26.07Seth_Hikaru14e4:1659
04:26.21nsadminjudd pciid 14e4:1659
04:26.23juddnsadmin: [14e4:1659] is 'NetXtreme BCM5721 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express' from 'Broadcom Corporation' with kernel module 'tg3' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=14e4:1659
04:26.26Seth_Hikaruthe ethernetndevices are identical
04:26.49nsadmintg3, you were right before
04:26.58Seth_Hikaruok
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04:27.18nsadminok, take a look at: lsmod | grep tg3 | wc -l
04:27.29nsadminyou should get a number
04:27.29Seth_Hikaruok
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04:28.25nsadminok, show me lsmod | grep tg3
04:29.00Seth_Hikarutg3                     97156    0
04:29.13nsadminok, that shows the driver is loaded
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04:29.45Seth_Hikarubut
04:29.49Seth_Hikarui think
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04:30.18qp_pqcan someone explain to me why kqemu modules is not in my repos ?
04:30.19qp_pqhttp://wiki.debian.org/QEMU#Lenny
04:30.29nsadminso now, run ifconfig -a
04:30.31qp_pqis telling me to install kqemu-modules
04:30.46qp_pqhowever ... IT ISN'T IN THE F*CKING REPOS, so where could it be ?
04:30.56nsadminhow many paragraphs do you get, and what interfaces do they describe?
04:31.14Seth_Hikarui think /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is screwed up
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04:32.01nsadminthat would be beyond my knowledge except, isn't that how interfaces get renamed?
04:32.02Seth_Hikaru5
04:32.08nsadminok
04:32.19Seth_Hikaruparagraohes
04:32.21jpinx-eeepcjudd: versions kqemu_modules
04:32.23juddjpinx-eeepc: kqemu_modules --
04:32.30jpinx-eeepcjudd: versions kqemu-modules
04:32.30juddjpinx-eeepc: kqemu-modules --
04:32.48craigevilkqemu-source is probably what he needs to build the module
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04:33.07nsadminfor each paragraph you should see something like
04:33.09jpinx-eeepcqp_pq: ^^
04:33.12nsadminlo     soeiuodsoe
04:33.13Seth_Hikaru1 is the loopback 2 are for vmware and the other 2 are my actual hardwre
04:33.15nsadmin<PROTECTED>
04:33.16nsadminetc
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04:33.42Seth_Hikaruok
04:33.44nsadminso I want the names for each paragraph, they're on the left
04:33.52Seth_Hikaruok
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04:34.24nsadminso far I don't believe this to be a driver issue... the correct driver is loaded
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04:34.48Seth_Hikarueth0, eth1, lo, vmnet1, vmnet8
04:34.49nsadminunless there is something wrong with the driver... but there are other things to rule out first
04:35.05Seth_Hikaruthe drivers fine
04:35.25nsadminnow run ifconfig (NO -a)
04:35.32Seth_Hikaruits not getting the right ip for some odd reason
04:35.34nsadminand tell me which interfaces you see
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04:35.50nsadminthat's not a driver issue apparantly
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04:36.44nsadmincmon, hurry up... the women are waiting...
04:36.59Seth_Hikarunothing comes up
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04:37.03maddashanxiously, might i add
04:37.06nsadminahh.
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04:37.17Seth_Hikarusorry
04:37.19nsadmintrypt: ifup lo
04:37.31nsadminargh. try ifup lo
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04:37.49Seth_Hikaruhow do you clear you terminsl
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04:38.15kripzHow do i recursively look through a directory and delete the file named Thumbs.db
04:38.19Seth_Hikaruok
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04:38.24Seth_Hikarunsadmin
04:38.25nvzSeth_Hikaru: I usually use the clear command
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04:38.29shadowless_eggfor intel pentium 4 processors you'd use i386 right?
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04:38.39Seth_Hikarueth0, eth1, lo, vmnet1, vmnet8
04:38.44nvzshadowless_egg: you could, but i686 works too
04:38.46Seth_Hikarucomes up
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04:38.51shadowless_eggand you can set up partitions using the net install
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04:39.02shadowless_eggcause i want to dual boot
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04:39.22nvzshadowless_egg: well for the install cd, you use i386, yes.. for the kernel, you use the i686 arch
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04:39.38dvskripz, find and xargs are your friends
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04:39.46nsadminthat's with no -a?
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04:39.59shadowless_eggso i need 2 cds?
04:40.12nvzshadowless_egg: do you own a thumbdrive or other usb storage thing like a card reader or something?
04:40.13Linux-IRCHi,
04:40.15shadowless_eggone with i386 netinst and 1686 netinst?
04:40.25shadowless_eggi have 2 flash drives yes
04:40.34nvzshadowless_egg: just ignore what I said, I didn't know if you meant kernel or what
04:40.39nsadmini386 will be fine
04:40.42dmi3onhi all, i am trying to install debian on hp 2133 have fat USB dowload netinst.iso and extract using magiciso boot.img to usb coped netist.iso to usd. usb isnt loading
04:40.43nvzshadowless_egg: you using windows now I assume?
04:40.45Seth_Hikarunsadmin
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04:40.47shadowless_eggi want to dual boot my xp with debian
04:40.50Linux-IRCWill debian squeeze be released after the end of december of 1st december ?
04:40.55nvzshadowless_egg: see unetbootin.sf.net
04:41.02nvzshadowless_egg: its dead simple, you need no cds
04:41.06shadowless_eggoh yeah..unetbootin
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04:41.13nvzshadowless_egg: as long as your system can boot via usb
04:41.17pobegaIs there a channel to ask about licensing? Sorta like debian-legal, but on IRC?
04:41.20nvzshadowless_egg: which most all of them can
04:41.20shadowless_eggso i'd use i386 netinst
04:41.23Linux-IRCWill debian squeeze be released after the end of december of 1st december ?
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04:41.27nvzshadowless_egg: yes
04:41.30Linux-IRCUsing debian lenny now
04:41.38Seth_Hikarunsadmin can you pm me please
04:41.42pobegaerr, I meant to ask that on debian-offtopic; sorry
04:41.47shadowless_eggand i can manage partitions using the net install right?
04:41.56nsadminLinux-IRC: if we told you that, there'd be no reason to have a pool :)
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04:42.05dmi3onany help ?
04:42.07craigevilLinux-IRC: squeeze isnt even due to freeze until around march of next year
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04:42.07dmi3onplease
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04:42.17sauvinLenny just came out a few months ago, didn't it? Debian has some LONG release cycles.
04:42.23Seth_Hikarunsadmin?
04:42.26dvsLinux-IRC, probably spring
04:42.32shadowless_eggand i can manage partitions using the net install right?
04:42.35nsadminno, I'm not doing pm
04:42.39dmi3onhi all, i am trying to install debian on hp 2133 have fat USB dowload netinst.iso and extract using magiciso boot.img to usb coped netist.iso to usd. usb isnt loading
04:42.43Linux-IRCdvs: Which month?
04:42.49nsadminI have to get outta here soon anyway
04:42.53Seth_Hikarui cant scroll back
04:42.54jpinx-eeepcshadowless_egg: yes
04:43.02nsadminI have like 20 women to meet!
04:43.05Seth_Hikarui need this fixed soon
04:43.09shadowless_eggand has anyone had any luck with comcast inernet on debian?
04:43.10Seth_Hikaruok listen
04:43.10Linux-IRCcraigevil: 5 months to wait !
04:43.21shadowless_egginternet*
04:43.22dvsLinux-IRC, who knows
04:43.23memnonlinux guru has "20 women to meet". lol
04:43.27sauvinWhat luck? I'm using debian with comcast.
04:43.31shadowless_eggwithout the guys coming over anyway
04:43.33craigevilLinux-IRC:  doesnt matter to me i run sid
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04:43.48Linux-IRCcraigevil: sid !
04:44.07nsadminmemnon: you would too if you went out over the next year and approached 1000
04:44.08craigevilnsadmin:  send one my way, my wife is a bitch :)
04:44.10dmi3onany one can help me how to load from usd debian install i have as of now only win
04:44.11nvzshadowless_egg: haha.. I'm using comcast
04:44.13Linux-IRCcraigevil: Where did you get it ?, it's probably experimental
04:44.15Seth_Hikarunsadmin
04:44.20nvzshadowless_egg: do you have a router?
04:44.22Seth_Hikarui have news
04:44.23shadowless_eggso can i netinst using comcast inernet right
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04:44.31shadowless_eggi think it's just a modem
04:44.34nsadminSeth_Hikaru: which news?
04:44.41nvzshadowless_egg: you should be fine either way
04:45.02sauvinComcast has never gotten in my face regardless of distro I've tried to use.
04:45.08Linux-IRCcraigevil: Where did you get it from?, it's probably experimental m
04:45.12shadowless_eggyay
04:45.14nvzshadowless_egg: the only issue with cable modems is that they cache a mac id, usually. If you plug in a diff computer you have to powercycle them to make it work
04:45.17Seth_Hikarui opened network tools to configure eth1 and it said the interface does not exist
04:45.32shadowless_eggi'll be dual booting so will that be a problem?
04:45.42qp_pqcraigevil: it seems so, where do I get it ?
04:45.47nvzshadowless_egg: no, same mac id, same computer
04:45.48Seth_Hikaruany ideas nsadmin
04:45.49qp_pqcraigevil: do I snatch it off the web ?
04:45.50nsadminthen network tools is being moronic... you looked at ifconfig -a yourself
04:45.56qp_pqcraigevil: that would be ... wrong
04:46.03shadowless_eggi'd prefer to use cds though
04:46.07nvzshadowless_egg: shoud be no issues, debian will use dhcp by default and work fine I'm sure
04:46.17shadowless_eggso i could use the i386 and burn it
04:46.23nvzshadowless_egg: thats fine, you'll only need one cd
04:46.31jpinx-eeepcpobega: licencing comes up in here sometimes, but not oftenc
04:46.45shadowless_eggto imgburn!
04:46.55dmi3onany one can help me i find all link how to use boot.img.gz in linux i need to set up usb from windows
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04:47.07Seth_Hikaruwell its says its giving itself a self assigned address when i have clearly told it dhcp   nsadmin
04:47.33tmushaving installed a tiny server using debootstrap, i'm having trouble getting my danish keyboard to work... I'm sure i'm missing some tiny bit... Anyone?
04:47.40pobegajpinx-eeepc: I know, but I'm actually just wondering if a channel exists where they talk about only licensing; like #legal or #licensing or something
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04:47.48craigevilqp_pq:  kqemu-source? should be in the repos
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04:48.06nsadminjust out of curiousity... what happens when you dig yahoo.com
04:48.06jpinx-eeepcpobega: list the channels and see?
04:48.35jpinx-eeepcpobega: maybe in oftc too~
04:48.58nsadminOfFTopiC?
04:49.15Seth_Hikarume?
04:49.19nsadminno
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04:49.39Seth_Hikarunsadmin i tried something
04:49.45nsadminwhat did you try
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04:50.13qp_pqcraigevil: yeah I installed it
04:50.14Seth_Hikaru<PROTECTED>
04:50.18nsadminis now here about 20% of the time
04:50.19qp_pqcraigevil: now where is the source so I can compile
04:50.21qp_pqcraigevil: ?
04:50.39jpinx-eeepcpobega: no pm's please
04:50.39Seth_Hikaru<PROTECTED>
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04:50.56qp_pqif I install a source module
04:50.56pobegajpinx-eeepc: sorry
04:50.58qp_pqwhere is the source ?
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04:51.06qp_pqwhere has it been installed ?
04:51.07Seth_Hikaruand it said network is unreachable
04:51.11qp_pqwhere has it been installed ?
04:51.30nsadmin<PROTECTED>
04:51.30Seth_Hikarunsadmin
04:51.33Seth_Hikaruyes
04:51.46nsadmincat /etc/debian_version
04:51.57Seth_Hikaruwell with the restary command
04:52.09Seth_Hikarurestart
04:52.17nsadmincat /etc/debian_version
04:52.33Seth_Hikaru5.0.3
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04:55.04Seth_Hikarunsadmin: Niw what?
04:55.29filibertowhy is ndiswrapper in main? shouldnt it be elsewhere since it depends on propietary?
04:55.55nsadminproprietary depends on it
04:55.58Seth_HikaruI think my /etc/network/interfaces is screwed up
04:56.00nsadminnot the other way around
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04:56.20filibertonsadmin: what use could i make of ndiswrapper without .inf files?
04:56.21Seth_Hikarunsadmin
04:56.54Seth_Hikarunsadmin: I think my /etc/network/interfaces is screwed up
04:56.59nsadminfiliberto: doesn't matter. if anything it shoudl be in contrib
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04:57.12maddashwhat's with the k-lining?
04:57.33filibertonsadmin: isnt contrib where packages that depend on propietary go?
04:57.48dmi3oni was asking like 5 time question no one was helping me
04:57.50dmi3onwhy
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04:58.28dmi3onit was simple solution i just cant belive so many people here no one knew that how to extract img.gz
04:58.32dmi3onsucks :(
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04:58.54nsadminSeth_Hikaru: won't have time to work that out with you... so far, we know your driver is not at issue (even though you shouted that it was)...
04:59.19Seth_Hikaruwhat should my interfaces be
04:59.26Seth_Hikarulook lik
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04:59.40nsadminyou're going to have to pastebin your current interfaces file
04:59.44markybobdmi3on, you poor baby.  oh, my lord, how did this happen to you??
04:59.57markybobmy god.  #debian should burn in hell
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05:00.07SerajewelKSis there a reason the emerald window decorator was removed from debian?
05:00.10memnonmarkybob: Thats not fair.
05:00.14markybobdmi3on, grow the fuck up.
05:00.21nsadminmarkybob: I have a candle... you have a lighter?
05:00.24markybobmemnon, welcome to life
05:00.25filibertoitc markybob is an angry troll
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05:01.05nvzits sunday, we're all trolls
05:01.29filibertotrolldom is reserved for the prepubescent, regardless of date or time
05:01.30nvzthats what happens in #debian at midnight on a sunday
05:01.32memnondmi3on: btw, how did you do it?
05:01.43markybobfiliberto, yet...google your nick, and you're nobody.  google mine...hey, i have debian history.  nice try, though
05:01.56filiberto"a debian history" --rms
05:01.58filibertorofl
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05:02.10memnonmarkybob: Yay, Mr. Important. May I adore you?! :)
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05:02.28markybobmemnon, you may.  you may also keep crying
05:02.31Seth_Hikaruscrew this ill figure this out myself
05:02.47dmi3onmarkybob, when i was asking every one ignore me now you are write 100 word insulting me, fuck you
05:02.51filiberto#debian markybob  H   0  n=markybob@unaffiliated/markybob [markybob]
05:02.57filibertoi dont see debian in there
05:03.07filibertoi.e., ass kisser
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05:03.18memnondmi3on: Again, How did you do it?
05:03.20filibertoand bad troll at that
05:03.21markybobfiliberto, how did google in your mind mean /whois ?
05:03.32filibertowhat
05:03.40nvzugh.. its time for me to leave now
05:03.46filibertoyou cant troll if you cant make sense
05:03.59dmi3onmemnon, win32diskmager
05:04.04filibertowrite that down in your debian history, what ever the fuck that means
05:04.32nsadminfiliberto: so I'm given to understand you're having a feeling?
05:04.38memnondmi3on: Okay, never heard of that. I would have said try with a live distro ...
05:04.50memnonmarkybob: If you demand respect, you do not deserve it.
05:04.50filibertonsadmin: as in
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05:05.11markybobmemnon, i dont demand anything.  just cant stand bitches crying
05:05.24dmi3onmemnon, i dowload 2 files for debian boot.img.gz and netinst.iso
05:05.52nsadminfiliberto: why should I elaborate when you're having the feeling?
05:05.55memnonmarkybob: Neither can I. But thats hardly a reason to loose any politeness.
05:06.17filibertonsadmin: i dont know what you're saying, but it's creepy
05:06.27dmi3onmemnon, then used win32diskimeger to write all file from boot.img after that copy netinst.iso to usb also
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05:08.57nsadminfiliberto: it's the creepiest ever... so what is this feeling you're having that's motivating you to twist words and avoid people seeing you are contributing to the rising channel temp?
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05:09.58dmi3onmemnon, i dowload 2 files for debian boot.img.gz and netinst.iso
05:10.07dmi3onmemnon, then used win32diskimeger to write all file from boot.img after that copy netinst.iso to usb also
05:10.19filibertonsadmin: i think you're going to have to tone down the harry potter prose a bit before i understand you
05:10.43memnon`okay, found a link to win32diskimager here:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Win32DiskImager
05:10.51nsadminI'm the most harry potter prosing that it's possible to be!
05:11.30memnon`dmi3on: Thanks for the info.
05:11.41filibertonsadmin: grammar, please
05:11.44nsadminfiliberto: you wouldn't be responding in an obvious angry tone and deflecting any light shined on your behavior if you weren't experiencing some kind of feeling
05:11.53dmi3onmemnon', np
05:11.57filibertolol
05:11.58filibertodude
05:12.02filibertosay things directly
05:12.26markybobfiliberto, how's this for direct?  go bitch somewhere else.  we're tired of you
05:12.35filibertolol
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05:12.59markyboblol?  is this 1993 and you're on aol?
05:13.05nsadminI thought mine was direct, and quite deep
05:13.16filibertohey guys
05:13.26filibertostop trolling
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05:13.39craigevil!lol
05:13.40dpkgIf you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user.
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05:13.56filiberto!debian
05:13.58markybobsays the stranger to the #debian regulars.  neato
05:13.58dpkgsomebody said debian was http://www.debian.org.  See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
05:14.12filiberto<dpkg> #debian is full of angry people
05:15.06filibertosomehow lol isnt ok (even though internet has widely adopted it) but neato is passable
05:15.08nsadminfiliberto: you wouldn't be continuing to act out if you didn't have some sort of motivator that originated as a feeling you have
05:15.11filibertoread, youre an idiot
05:15.21dmi3onin software selection there is loptop what is it ?
05:15.31filibertonsadmin: your suposedly intelligent sentences dont make grammatical sense
05:15.35filibertonsadmin: try less
05:15.55memnon`dmi3on: loptop?
05:15.56nsadmintry comprehending
05:16.10dmi3onmemnon', laptop*
05:16.12filibertonsadmin: i dont have time to decrypt your idea of english
05:16.35filibertonsadmin: moreover, im dont recieve payment for being your full time instructor
05:16.44markybobfiliberto, so please do the world of #debian a favor and /leave
05:16.44filibertonsadmin: so please, try to make sense? thanks, management.
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05:17.03filibertomarkybob: actually, i rather point out how sad and frail you are, thanks.
05:17.16SerajewelKScan we please /ignore and move on?  thanks
05:17.19nsadminto do that, remove the blockage to your comprehension: your deflecting of every attempt on the part of others to see you for who you are
05:17.22filiberto"i have a debian history"
05:17.25maddashhttp://markybobdeb.sourceforge.net/mysql-potato/ is broken
05:17.27filibertorofl
05:17.37filiberto"your deflecting of every attempt on the part of others to see you for who you are
05:17.42filibertothat doesnt make sense bro
05:17.47memnon`dmi3on: the only package installed here is laptop-detect
05:18.03maddashmarkybob: what exactly have you done, besides making it to the top 2 results of http://www.google.com/search?q=markybob&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a ?
05:18.08memnon`dmi3on: So, I guess it is not necessary to run debian on a laptop :)
05:18.12filibertomaddash: exactly
05:18.20filibertothe dude is a try hard irc troll
05:18.31memnon`aptitude show laptop[xyz] should give you a better idea to what it does ...
05:18.56dmi3onmemnon', ok
05:19.02maddashfiliberto: well, he is a regular here, so I'm guessing that some degree of slack is allowed
05:19.21nsadminfiliberto: be aware that what you're doing is off topic...
05:19.22filibertomaddash: if being a regular channel user amounts to anything, then yea
05:19.48filibertonsadmin: im fully aware, as i am also aware that youre participating in it (and also, backseat moderating)
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05:20.09nsadminthen stop doing it. (if you can)
05:20.17sepultdoes anyone know what may be the cause of running a script successfully when it is in /etc/cron.daily or /etc/cron.monthly but not when it is in /etc/cron.weekly ? the script is all the same, up to some words in comments or so...
05:20.23filibertonsadmin: suck a chode, thanks
05:20.26markybobmaddash, let's see, i made the first debian installers with support for xfs, before any linux distribution supported it.  i provided many backports before backports.org existed.  i've provided support in #debian for over 12 years.   and you?
05:20.37nsadminok, that's trolling.
05:20.44maddashnot talking about me
05:21.01nsadmin!ops filiberto trolling and he won't stop
05:21.01dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: filiberto trolling and he won't stop
05:21.04jmarsdensepult: One copy of the script is executable, the other is not?
05:21.14sepultjmarsden: negative
05:21.16filibertomarkybob: if you really ever helped anyone, why are you trying so hard to get recognition?
05:21.27sepultjmarsden: the all are executable
05:21.28markybobhttp://oss.sgi.com/archives/xfs/2002-12/msg00664.html
05:21.37markybobdid i fake that?
05:21.41filibertomarkybob: shouldnt your actions be apparent already, *if* they were as meaningful as youre implying?
05:21.58ranixnow now children
05:22.05ranixsettle down
05:22.08filibertomarkybob: do you realize how sad it is to shout hey look at me by posting all your links?
05:22.31nsadminthat wasn't your original argument... you're twisting again
05:22.32jmarsdensepult: Can you pastebin the result of diffing the two scripts somewhere -- are they in fact different in any way at all?
05:22.43dmi3onmemnon', couldnt find what is there i guess it power mangment for laptops :)
05:22.54SerajewelKSguys, could we just try ignoring the troll please?
05:23.02filibertonsadmin: whos talking to you?
05:23.20sepultjmarsen: they are all the same, i just put a echo "this is the weekly script" instead of "this is the monthly script" etc...
05:23.31memnon`dmi3on: As I said, I am having a laptop here, and only laptop-detect is installed. Can not be *really* essential, right? ;)
05:23.35maddashfiliberto: might want to cool off a bit
05:23.37sepultjmarsden: but that's hardly to have any effect on the behaviour of the script running
05:23.49jmarsdensepult: OK, pastebin both of them somewhere so I can see them :)
05:24.07sepultjmarsden: err wait, i have to start X
05:24.19memnon`sepult: Why ;)
05:24.21jmarsdensepult: pastebinit works from the shell prompt, no need for X
05:24.23filibertomaddash: this is a fine distro with a great reputation, often ruined by people like these
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05:24.41filibertoconsider it my contribution to debian; the first entry in my debian history
05:24.41nsadminyou're using it...
05:24.47maddashfiliberto: maybe so, but it is how it is
05:24.50memnon`filiberto: A 'fine' distro can never be ruined by a single person...
05:24.56nsadmintell me you'll stop using it because people are arguing
05:25.03filibertomemnon`: which is why i said people
05:25.19dmi3onmemnon', i am isntalling desktop, laptop and standart system
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05:25.42dora_i luv squeeze
05:26.11ranixsepult: output from scripts run by cron is emailed to the root/mail/etc. user as set in /etc/aliases
05:26.12nsadminif you stop using it, then I believe the reputation has suffered in your eyes. if you don't stop, then you're misrepresenting yourself
05:26.16memnon`dmi3on: For a new install a) Use the defaults, they are pretty sensible or b) go for a minimum and add later whatever you want
05:26.18maddashi luv to squeeze
05:26.23ranixsepult: you can check the mail of the user who gets that to find out why the script failed potentially
05:26.33filibertonsadmin: i rather improve it than quit
05:26.40memnon`dmi3on: b) only, if you know what you are doin' ;)
05:26.49DiilbertThe only thing that could kill a distro is an super elitest community.
05:27.15nsadminDiilbert: oh believe me, debian has that
05:27.16DiilbertAnd it would take more than a few people to do that.
05:27.19ranixThis is a support channel, please take talk like that to offtopic, where there are people who might discuss it
05:27.19filibertoDiilbert: such as.... #$pwd?
05:27.47ranix!offtopic
05:27.47dpkgA little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here.  Please join #debian-offtopic
05:28.17dmi3onmemnon' ture :)
05:28.22dmi3oni am new to it
05:28.23SerajewelKShow about all the people involved in the drama just shut the hell up
05:28.31SerajewelKSdon't feed the trolls
05:28.38Diilbertranix, I figured I could stir the pot a "little".  I am done ;)
05:28.44memnon`dmi3on: So a) is your way :)
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05:30.08memnon`dmi3on: You install via USB Stick? Why not via CD?
05:30.28dmi3onmemnon' i have hp 2133 no CD
05:30.35sepultjmarsden: http://paste.debian.net/52073/
05:30.53memnon`dmi3on: ha, /me has a x30, no cd either. I went through this, too ;)
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05:31.16ranixdmi3on: usb install is more difficult than CD, but it is documented in the install guide at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03
05:32.13jmarsdensepult: These appear to be bash scripts, so I'd try adding a line #!/bin/bash at the start of each one before I did anything else.
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05:32.56sepultjmarsen: ok but running sh backup does work in one case, in the other not so why the difference and due to what ?
05:32.56jmarsdensepult: also, ranix was right, if you check root's email on your system do you see the output from these scripts, and does that give you any clues?
05:33.26jmarsdensepult: Wait... are you trying to run these from cron, or just from an interactive shell?
05:33.47sepultjmarsden: no i didn't set up exim for now, or any mta, i just enabled set -x to see anythin, but there is nothing happening
05:34.03sepultjmarsden: from interactive shell
05:36.40jmarsdensepult: OK, so the locations are irrelevant at this point...!  So, let's see what happens when you run them; can you do   script -c "bash -c /etc/cron.daily/backup" daily.output.txt    and then    script -c "bash -x /etc/cron.weekly.backup" weekly.output.txt    and then pastebin the two .txt files, each to a separate pastebin page?
05:36.40filibertohow do i go about uninstalling debian and installing slackware
05:37.04jmarsdenThat way we can compare exactly what they each seem to do on your system.
05:37.07nsadminthe slackware installer ought to be able to reformat your partitions
05:37.14sepultjmarsden: ok wait
05:37.48dmi3onmemnon, heh :)
05:38.12dmi3onranix, thanks i am finishing installation now :)
05:38.13nsadminfiliberto: however you may wish to preserve your /home
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05:39.53jmarsdensepult: using read for interaction in a script you expect to run from cron seems very odd indeed, by the way... your MTA is not likely to be able to "Answer y,n or Y,N" when cron runs the script.
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05:40.35sepultjmarsden: yes i know, i know, i just wanted to test them first... here is the output http://paste.debian.net/52074/
05:41.31sepultjmarsden: the second one doesn't even prompt me for input
05:42.10jmarsdensepult: So, I would say that the file /mnt/source/usb-backup/usb-backup-weekly-So-22.11.2009 doe snot yet exist, and then that script is doing what you asked it to do.  Right?
05:42.31jmarsdenBut the /mnt/source/usb-backup/usb-backup-daily-So-22.11.2009 file does exist, so that one goes through the code that prmots you.
05:42.38jmarsden*prompts
05:43.23jmarsdenBoth script runs appear to be doing what they should, to me, assuming the daily file exists and the weekly file does not.
05:43.24sepultjmarsden: yes sorry prompts, and the daily image exists already, the weekly not ?
05:43.45jmarsdenRIght... so the scripts both work as designed.
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05:44.02jmarsdenif you want the weekly one to prompt you, create the file /mnt/source/usb-backup/usb-backup-weekly-So-22.11.2009 and run the weekly script again.
05:45.00sepultjmarsden: ah, sorry, i think i got it now, i think i had to reformulate it as if the script already exists don't do anything unless desired
05:45.13sepulterr the image i mean
05:45.24jmarsdenOK.
05:45.44sepultjmarsden: so the -e flag to test is not ok ?
05:46.04jmarsdenThe -e flag is fine, but each script is testing for the presence of a different file.
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05:46.37jmarsdenRead the debug output in the two text files carefully, look which files the -e is looking for.
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05:51.05coolguy4say I wanted to install Debian and have complete control over every single package that is installed; what's the most sane way of doing this? Doing a base install, uninstalling the stuff I don't want, then running simple-cdd?
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05:52.39dora_i did install base system, then upgraded to squeeze
05:52.51SerajewelKScoolguy4: install debian and mark every package as automatically installed in aptitude
05:53.06SerajewelKScoolguy4: it should never remove the essential packages.  everything else is gone.
05:53.25SerajewelKScoolguy4: but i would not mark aptitude itself since it's the nicest CLI package manager out there
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05:54.06jdahmOK I'm running unstable and getting this when trying to install php5 http://codepad.org/4MMypKYf .  If I accept this, will it break things?
05:54.10SerajewelKScoolguy4: basically run aptitude and hit M when the selection is on "installed packages"
05:54.17SerajewelKScoolguy4: then go to aptitude and hit +
05:54.36jdahmI guess it says safe
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05:55.37coolguy4serajewelKS: ok, but if I do a Debian install, can i avoid installing the 'standard' task?
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05:56.16SerajewelKScoolguy4: i haven't tried before, but maybe
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05:56.57coolguy4serajewelks: ok well thanks for the advice
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05:57.18SerajewelKScoolguy4: np
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05:57.30dora_yes u could do, dkpg is smart enough
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06:01.24coolguy4dora_: I think i need to go through an install again to refresh my memory on what the process is. All the instructions I've found online talk about going through the debian installer and following the prompts, but I haven't seen anything that tells you specifically what's happening when and why, and how to change things if you want to. But like I said, i think i'm going to have to go through an install and watch what happens myself.
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06:02.08ootputcoolguy4: what sort of things do you want to change?
06:02.33ootputhow about just doing a bootstrap install and further mods as you see fit
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06:05.53sepultjmarsden:
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06:06.00jmarsdensepult: Yes.
06:06.12Jorophosehas anyone here used sidux?
06:07.11sepultjmarsden: i now fit in first a test case with [ ! -f /bla ] and changed the rest test to [ -f /bla ] and i think now it does
06:07.41jmarsdensepult: So now it works the way you want?  Good!
06:08.34coolguy4ootput: thanks, a bootstrap install might be what I wanted. There's nothing I specifically wanted to change, I really just wanted to  know exactly what is being setup/configured on the system and why. So I was looking for a sort of 'build from scratch' method.
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06:09.02Jorophoseand any idea why an earlier lenny install CD would fail on modern hardware? could it be bad boot media?
06:10.09jmarsdencoolguy4: If you *really* want to understand that, try doing an LFS (Linux From Scratch) install sometime, instead of Debian :)
06:10.23nsadminJorophose: you should be able to check the media by checking its md5sum
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06:10.27sepultjmarsden: hehe, yes but it does generate the image, even if i input no or No or Yes or yes, it doesn't matter what, if i do answer the prompt it does go on to the next step, i think i have to change the echo to "only answer if you want the image regenerated, else just type RETURN"
06:11.16Jorophosensadmin: what if I used unetbootin to put it on a flash drive?
06:11.25Jorophoseand what do you recommend for checking md5sums on windows?
06:12.03nsadminsee if there's a windows md5sum executable
06:12.11coolguy4jmarsden: I guess I could do LFS then install dpkg and apt and configure the debian repositories. That might be the way to go.
06:12.19sepultjmarsden: i tried it with case $i in y|Y|Yes|yes) bla; n|N|No|no) bla ;; esac but somehow didn't get that right
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06:13.24Jorophoseit's too late for me to get any serious work done, but I'm just going to try this tomorrow: http://www.pc-tools.net/win32/md5sums/
06:13.37Jorophosehow long does a full install (CD1) take anyway?
06:13.56jmarsdensepult: Maybe try something closer to [ "$i" = "Y" -o "$i" = "y" ]
06:14.16nsadminhow long? about 543 inches
06:14.54nsadminseriously... depends on the data rate
06:15.17jmarsdenJorophose: On a modern fast desktop PC with a decent disk, maybe 20 minutes?  But why do a full install, a minimal install would be faster...
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06:15.47Jorophosejmarsden: for some reason netinstall does not like unetbootin
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06:17.05jmarsdenJorophose: OK... I've not had to play with unetbootin, so I have no advice on that I'm afraid.  But still, installing from CD1 and specifying only installing as little as possible should be doable in under 20 mins.
06:18.03Jorophosejmarsden: I only plan to do the desktop environment (gnome) and will be turning off network mirrors for the install
06:18.34JorophoseI just really hate the fact that the first time around it installed GRUB and then botched my system because the installer wouldn't run properly & I didn't have an ubuntu disk to fix it.
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06:19.41jmarsdenOK.  Any live cd can usually be used for rescue purposes.  sysrescuecd is one designed specifically for doing system rescues, so I usually keep a CD with that on it around for emergencies :)
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06:20.05rubin110Question, how do I invoke a net install from a live cd?
06:21.15jmarsdenrubin110: There is such a thing as a Debian Live CD?  Where did you get that from?
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06:22.53Jorophosejmarsden: debian-live has live CDs based on debian. but I don't know if you can install with it
06:23.19Jorophosejmarsden: can sysrescuecd fix my MBR in the event of an unfinished install?
06:23.31rubin110jmarsden: I used the term "live cd" slightly incorrectly, I'm at a hacker space in SF, we have a netboot of some weird debian setup.
06:23.38jmarsdenSure, but debian-live is not Debian, it is "based on"...
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06:23.45rubin110I'm trying to get debian installed on another machine here.
06:24.05jmarsdenJorophose: Probably... I can do lots of things with sysrescuecd... ask not what it can do for you, ask what you know enough to do with it :)
06:24.28rubin110I think I found my answer.
06:24.32rubin110debootstrap.
06:24.56rubin110I don't want to install from the live cd, I just want to start a session that'll do a net install.
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06:25.35jmarsdenrubin110: OK ... yes, if it is really debian you can try using debootstrap; my concern was that if you had a "based on Debian" variant OS, all bets are off...
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06:26.19rubin110I apt-get installed debootstrap, it's there.
06:26.21rubin110Hurm.
06:26.38rubin110Actually, what I would really like to do is run the installer I get from installing from a small cd for net install.
06:26.46rubin110Can I do this from an already booted machine?
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06:28.23DeFender1031hi, i set up package pinning and pinned a certain package to unstable, but it started causing problems. how do i downgrade it back to lenny?
06:28.34jmarsdenProbably... the manual at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apas02.html.en#howto-getting-images-hard-disk  in A.2.4 talks about it, but not in great detail.
06:28.35SerajewelKSrubin110: not that i know of but why couldn't you use debootstrap?
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06:29.03rubin110SerajewelKS: I don't want to have to sit here and figure out what packages I need to install to make a functional desktop that runs a web browser.
06:29.12rubin110Actually.
06:29.13rubin110Ok.
06:29.17SerajewelKSrubin110: gnome-desktop-environment and iceweasel
06:29.48rubin110SerajewelKS: Is there a listing of packages that come with and install if one selects "Desktop" from that menu that asks you what you want to do with this machine during a standard install?
06:29.50SerajewelKSrubin110: and xserver-xorg.  that should be all you need
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06:30.35SerajewelKSrubin110: it's a dpkg task.  i'm not sure where those are stored.
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06:31.11rubin110And there's no way I can initiate that installer through an already booted system?
06:31.28SerajewelKSrubin110: why should you when debootstrap is faster?
06:31.47DeFender1031anyone?
06:31.49rubin110Because I want everything that comes with the desktop install of debian.
06:32.09SerajewelKSrubin110: so install with debootstrap, install aptitude, and install the desktop task from inside aptitude
06:32.18rubin110Ohh.
06:32.24rubin110Didn't know that was there.
06:32.25rubin110Thank.
06:32.28rubin110thanks :P
06:32.43SerajewelKSrubin110: and don't forget to install grub :)
06:33.00SerajewelKSgrub-install /dev/sda or whatever your boot drive is
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06:33.24rubin110SerajewelKS: Where can I find info about aptitude and these tasks?
06:33.29rubin110Don't see anything in the man page.
06:34.07SerajewelKSrubin110: run aptitude, use the arrows to select tasks, hit enter, move down to "desktop" and hit +, then g
06:34.12SerajewelKSrubin110: that's all the documentation you need :P
06:34.25rubin110Wait.
06:34.28SerajewelKSyou have to hit g again to begin installing.  press ? for info.
06:34.42rubin110aptitude has a gui?
06:34.53rubin110Or are you talking about synaptic?
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06:35.03SerajewelKSaptitude is ncurses
06:35.24SerajewelKSit has a CUI, not a GUI
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06:35.52SerajewelKSand if you've never used it before, then prepare yourself to enter a world full of awesome
06:36.21SerajewelKSthe learning curve is a tad steep, but hit ? when you start it up for a quick crash course
06:36.48rubin110No, I've just used switches to interact with apitude and apt-get.
06:36.53rubin110aptitued.
06:36.55rubin110Gah.
06:37.01rubin110Neat.
06:37.06rubin110Ok, thanks for telling me about this. :P
06:37.12SerajewelKSit's pretty cool :)
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06:37.24SerajewelKSthe search feature is quite powerful.
06:37.54SerajewelKSfor example, on a years-old install you can have it limit the display of packages to things that are installed and that are not marked as automatically installed, so you can go through them and remove shit you don't need
06:37.56rubin110Does debootstrap create a root user?
06:38.10rubin110Neat.
06:38.11SerajewelKShitting M over the "libraries" group can shed a lot of disk space you're not using for example
06:38.32SerajewelKSrubin110: i'm not sure... i would expect so, since it installs the base packages, which should do that
06:38.44SerajewelKSrubin110: you should probably run passwd in a chroot though to set the password
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06:39.23rubin110Ok.
06:39.46SerajewelKSrouter fail?
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06:40.17DeFender1031hi, i set up package pinning and pinned a certain package to unstable, but it started causing problems. how do i downgrade it back to lenny?
06:40.20liabledcc, funnily enough when WormFood joined. he has been klined for that before..
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06:49.09rubin110SerajewelKS: grub-install complains about / and /boot not being there.
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06:54.17mrvdv2is there a way i can use my windows machine to access my linux box remotely but access it via internet explorer to access my router ?
06:55.02SerajewelKSrubin110: huh... and grub is of course installed in the chrootL
06:55.06SerajewelKSs/L/?/
06:55.13rubin110What?
06:55.22SerajewelKSaptitude install grub
06:55.24SerajewelKSin the chroot
06:55.24rubin110I have it both in the netboot image, and also in the new install.
06:55.27rubin110Ok.
06:55.34SerajewelKSand then grub-install
06:55.35rubin110I chrooted, it's not complaining about /dev/hda not existing.
06:55.47SerajewelKSdid you bind-mount /dev?
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06:56.40SerajewelKSfrom outside the chroot:  mount /dev /new/debian/mountpoint/dev --bind
06:57.05SerajewelKSit might be a good idea to do the same for /proc
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06:59.49qp_pqANY IDEAS HOW I CAN MAKE AUTOMAKE'S CONFIGURE NOT TAKE DEPENDENCIES INTO ACCOUNT ?
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07:00.08mrvdv2no need for caps
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07:01.16rubin110SerajewelKS: Sorry for the spoon feeding. Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/hda. Check your device.map.
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07:02.20SerajewelKSrubin110: try giving grub-install the --recheck option
07:02.48vagothcppIf I setup an LVM for my system, say I run out of room on / but have 20GB of room left on /home, can I resize /home so that 10GB are free, and extend / with that 10GB on the same disk?
07:02.52rubin110Woot!
07:03.28SerajewelKSvagothcpp: yes, if you unmount /home first
07:03.37thebuskeris NetworkManager (stable) worth pursuing past wiki.debian && man networkmanager et.al., or should I move on to wpa_supplicant?
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07:03.51SerajewelKSvagothcpp: extending an ext volume can be done while mounted, but you can't shrink a volume while it's mounted
07:03.59qp_pqcan I put Ubuntu repos in my sources.list and hope for the best ?
07:04.06SerajewelKSqp_pq: no
07:04.10qp_pqwhy
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07:04.16vagothcppSerajewelKS, I would be doing it from my live cd on my usb
07:04.21SerajewelKSqp_pq: because you will fuck up your system
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07:04.27SerajewelKSvagothcpp: yeah that will work too
07:04.34qp_pqSerajewelKS: why
07:04.35SerajewelKSvagothcpp: no need to reboot though if you unmount /home :)
07:04.50jmarsdenqp_pq: You will break things.  Because Debian is not Ubuntu.
07:05.02vagothcppSerajewelKS, Thanks alot, I always mess up my sizes, so lvm is my solution
07:05.19SerajewelKSqp_pq: because ubuntu packages are not designed for debian
07:05.35SerajewelKSvagothcpp: i use lvm2 on my system and it's great for exactly that use-case
07:05.49vagothcppqp_pq, Why do you want Ubuntu sources in ure debian system>
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07:06.30SerajewelKSqp_pq: i mean if you want to, by all means go ahead.  but when your system is a clusterfuck of packages and nothing works, don't ask why.
07:06.44vagothcppWhat login manager do you recommend for OpenBox?
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07:07.06qp_pqbecause I want some packages that in DEbian repos are extremely old
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07:07.14qp_pqand Ubuntu has newer ones
07:07.18SerajewelKSqp_pq: like what packages
07:07.20vagothcppWhy are people being K-lined in this chanel?
07:07.31SerajewelKSvagothcpp: probably spammers
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07:07.42qp_pqlike why does it matter, I could fill entire screens with them and you would ban me for pasting if I mentioned them
07:07.46vagothcppqp_pq, If you want bleeding edge, then debian isn't that os
07:07.48qp_pqand it's really boring for me to list them
07:08.05vagothcppqp_pq, However, the other alternative while using debian, Compile the source yourself
07:08.06SerajewelKSqp_pq: you can sometimes backport the testing or unstable packages to stable
07:08.31qp_pqvagothcpp: on the other hand Ubuntu is so retarded it doesn't let me take ubuntu off and put something like icewm without entailing 9999999 dependencies ...
07:08.50vagothcppqp_pq, Thats why I cannot stand Ubuntu
07:08.57qp_pqI had to pull an ugly hack on configure (edited it and commented chunks) in order to get a Makefile and compile
07:09.02SerajewelKSqp_pq: you can't install ubuntu and then uninstall ubuntu from within ubuntu.  that makes no damn sense.
07:09.06qp_pqvagothcpp: me too
07:09.23vagothcppSerajewelKS, I think he means GNOME
07:10.33SerajewelKSqp_pq: if you want fairly recent stuff then run squeeze instead of lenny
07:10.34qp_pqis there a fast way for me to make .deb package and send it to Debian repo ?
07:10.37qp_pqor somehting like that ?
07:10.47qp_pq'cause I just spent lik ... lots 'o time to compile some shit
07:10.55qp_pqand I want to save someone's time with this
07:11.00memnon`Hi, someone just made a fresh install and misconfigured xorg.conf. reboot takes him to x directly, pressing Ctrl+Alt+F1 does not seem to work.
07:11.07SerajewelKSqp_pq: you can use dpkg-buildpackage to build a debian source package into a .deb and then install it with dpkg -i
07:11.08memnon`How can he get easily on tty?
07:11.17qp_pqSerajewelKS: I meant gnome sorry(not ubuntu)
07:11.22SerajewelKSmemnon`: reboot with the kernel option "single"
07:11.33memnon`great, SerajewelKSthanks
07:11.34vagothcppmemnon`, Its Ctrl+Alt+F4
07:11.40memnon`why F4
07:11.47memnon`For me, F1-5 work
07:11.49SerajewelKSvagothcpp: F1 and F4 should both work
07:11.54SerajewelKSF1-F6 are VTs, F7 is X
07:11.59qp_pqSerajewelKS: I don't have a debian source package to start with
07:12.03vagothcppSerajewelKS, Heh, my bad, thought it was only F4
07:12.04qp_pqSerajewelKS: I have just ... SOURCE
07:12.13SerajewelKSqp_pq: then "make install" or get a debian package
07:12.21SerajewelKSqp_pq: which software are you building
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07:13.06qp_pqTOMBOY !!!
07:13.09qp_pqfor Gnome
07:13.21vagothcppWhy can debian not use Firefox trademark, but Ubuntu and CentOS and most others can?
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07:13.39SerajewelKSqp_pq: squeeze has 0.14.3 and sid has 1.0.0
07:13.46SerajewelKSqp_pq: so get the source package from squeeze or sid
07:13.50SerajewelKS!tell qp_pq about ssb
07:14.35vagothcppSerajewelKS, Whats your WM? and if applicable DE?
07:14.48SerajewelKSvagothcpp: compiz/metacity/gnome
07:14.51qp_pqDE = ?
07:14.54qp_pqWM = window manager ?
07:14.56SerajewelKSqp_pq: desktop environment
07:15.03vagothcppDesktop Environment
07:15.04vagothcppand yes
07:15.12qp_pqI use icewm , it's the best so far ( I have tried wmii3 ... that was really pushing things too far...)
07:15.23vagothcppSerajewelKS, then I am guessing ure login tool is GDM
07:15.34SerajewelKSi use icewm when i want something lightweight.  i use gnome when i want something where i can get work done.
07:15.39SerajewelKSvagothcpp: yes
07:16.28vagothcppOh, last thing, what is installed with the netinst under package Standard Systems or something like that
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07:18.29SerajewelKSvagothcpp: i'm not sure
07:18.36SerajewelKSi don't see that task in aptitude
07:19.09vagothcppUnder Expert Install you get to choose what packages get installed, two by default are enabled, desktop environment, and standard systems
07:19.21vagothcppI always untick desktop environment myself since i prefer to install it all myself
07:19.24SerajewelKSi know what you're talking about
07:19.35SerajewelKSbut aptitude doesn't seem to have that list handy
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07:19.57vagothcppill lmgtf-myself xD
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07:20.35SerajewelKSthat works :)
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07:21.52vagothcppThis must be an assualt on freenode, lol
07:22.27vagothcppi guess i'll find out by unticking it and seeing what isnt installed
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07:23.19vagothcppooh, last question before i go install debian lenny, by default, does the partition tool that debian install uses have lvm2?
07:23.43SerajewelKSyes, it supports lvm2 and dmraid
07:23.52vagothcppSerajewelKS, dmraid?
07:23.54SerajewelKSi have personally installed using both and it works great
07:24.07SerajewelKSvagothcpp: yes, software RAID
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07:24.27vagothcppSerajewelKS, Ahh, well I have hardware raid support, jus no hdd's to use it =P
07:24.47SerajewelKSi prefer software raid anyway because it's more flexible
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07:24.56SerajewelKSthese days the performance impact is not very much
07:25.02vagothcppSerajewelKS, But also adds a small load onto the CPU
07:25.11vagothcppin a game server, that small load is essential...
07:25.34vagothcppanyway
07:25.40SerajewelKSgame servers spend most of their time in CPU and RAM, no?
07:25.58SerajewelKSi mean between loading maps and stuff
07:26.06vagothcppSerajewelKS, Most of the time when a game server lags, its the CPU/RAM that cant handdle the load, not there internet connection
07:26.23ootputsoftware raid is a better option. Those extra cpu cycles are miniscule compared to processor speeds today
07:26.23vagothcppthe other most of the time is the clients PC/INternet
07:26.58SerajewelKSvagothcpp: right.  and if it's not doing disk I/O then the impact of software raid is 0.
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07:27.23SerajewelKSvagothcpp: and even if it is doing disk I/O, it's going to be waiting on the actual disk throughput
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07:27.39vagothcppSerajewelKS, But if it loads and unloads maps all the time, there is an impact, but that is a stupid setup in the first place
07:27.42vagothcppmap caching ftw
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07:27.54SerajewelKSright.  so your own point is defeated.  :P
07:27.54vagothcppanyway, i can have this long discussion and then ill never get lenny installed =P
07:28.04vagothcppwaves.
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07:32.04cmyersHey all - I am trying to perform a debian testing install from USB on an HP Mini 1000.  The usb drive boots fine, and the install starts, but the "scan hard drives for an installer ISO image" step fails.  I can pop over to busybox and see the .iso file there, what is the next step in debugging this problem?
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07:34.16kingsley__cmyers: If you haven't done so already, you might search Google's indices for the error string... "scan hard drives for an installer ISO image".
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07:35.29cmyerskingsley__: all I see are hits for the gettext translations of the string into different languages =(
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07:35.58cmyerslemme try rebooting and give it another go =/
07:37.24cmyershmm, I didn't even notice before, but hte first error it gives, before that, is "no kernel modules were found.  this probably is due to a mismatch between the kernel used by this version of the installer and the kernel version available in this archive"
07:37.40cmyerslooks like from busybox the kernel is 2.6.26-2
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07:42.22cmyerslooks like the image I downloaded is 2.6.30
07:42.59cmyersmeh, I should just try a stable netinst.  I can upgrade to testing easily enough.
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07:43.36kingsley__cmyers: It seems to me that you're wise to play close attention to the error messages, and if their meaning isn't obvious, to search Google's indices for elucidation.
07:43.49kingsley__s/play/pay/
07:44.17cmyersyeh, I was hoping someone around here might have encountered the exact problem, but failing that, what else can ya do? =)
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07:45.30kingsley__cmyers: At the risk of seeming facetious, you can also search Google's usenet indices, which I think most people overlook.
07:45.48kingsley__needs to go soon...
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07:47.07cmyerskingsley__: thanks for the suggestion, I'll check there =)
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08:09.39iluminator101How do i change the default file association in debian, for instance, i want all the vlc to start in vlc in of totem
08:09.58iluminator101video files*
08:11.31marlonzailuminator101: call me crazy, but isn't that question supposed to be gnome/kde/whatever specific?
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08:12.06Khunoof course.
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08:15.59MayaTstill waiting my download of debian iso finish :(
08:16.14iluminator101marlonza, i am on gnome, how do change the association in that?
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08:16.54MayaT18 hours ???? :(
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08:17.06qp_pqhow can I exclude some files from a grep ?
08:18.01marlonza-v
08:18.08marlonzaor wait,t hats for patterns
08:18.19marlonza--exclude
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08:24.42qwdDebian Squeeze AMD64. I opened an mkv containing x264 in VLC and closed it. Now I don't get any sound. I checked htop and gnome-system-monitor but I don't see vlc there so it didn't hang, it just has problems with these files. Any idea on how to get sound back? Can I restart alsa or something?
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08:25.20cmyersqwd:  try sudo /etc/init.d/alsa restart
08:25.25cmyerssomething like that.
08:25.31cmyersmight be "reload"
08:25.38marlonzaqwd: ive seen that on ubuntu, debian etc. SOmething hogs up the sound device and doesn't let go. crappy software. wish i knew
08:25.51cmyersfailing that, try "lsmod" and find the sound module, then "rmmod" that module, then "modprobe" it.
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08:27.05qwdcmyers: I don't have alsa in /etc/init.d/
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08:28.08iluminator101How do i change the default file association in debian, for instance, i want all the video files to start in vlc in of totem
08:28.08cmyersqwd: alsa-utils
08:28.47cmyersiluminator101: dunno, but I believe it depends on which windowing environment you use.  if you are running gnome, or kde, the docs for those respective window managers should say how.
08:29.23qwdcmyers: not installed, I guess it'd be easier to just restart :)
08:29.48iluminator101cmyers i am gnome, where do i change this settings
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08:30.05cmyersqwd:  it is possible that is what the dealio is - without alsa tools installed, it might be using weird oss compatibility stuff or whatever.
08:30.19cmyersiluminator101: I don't know, I don't run gnome or kde
08:30.27cmyersor run things by clicking =/
08:30.46qwdcmyers: ah this must be why I can't get sound in one thing while playing sound in another!
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08:30.53iluminator101cmyers what do you run?
08:31.00cmyersqwd: yeh, sounds likely.
08:31.02cmyersone sec
08:31.48cmyersdpkg, tell qwd about install alsa
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08:32.25cmyersiluminator101: I use fluxbox on some machines, and ratpoison on others.  Not recommended for people who want something "like windows"
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08:32.39cmyersratpoison is designed so you just about never have to use the mouse.
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08:35.49qwdcmyers: I installed alsa but that didn't change anything. I'll just restart and we'll see what happens :) thanks!
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08:37.17iluminator101cmyers i used lxde before, how is fluxbox more advantageous than lxde
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08:38.04cmyersiluminator101: I have never used lxde, so I couldn't compare.  Fluxbox is very lightweight, not overly pretty, fast and small footprint, and fairly configurable - you can set keybindings, mousebindings, and configure your menu with a high degree of control.
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08:42.16qwdcmyers: Problem solved, a few seconds after clicking "restart" I realized I'd forgotten to plug in the headphones :) But at least I can play music and watch a video at the same time now that I have alsa.
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08:48.59do0obhi
08:51.49zhxk`pardon?
08:53.44zhxk`http://paste.ubuntu.org.cn/47020
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09:05.02DawnLighthello. can anyone explain to me please the meaning of the --include and --exclude in debmirror? i want to make a mirror of only certain packages. is that even possible?
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09:08.32Sm0ke0utIs there anyway to protect my /etc folder (make unreadable) for 'normal' users? without using chroot/jail
09:09.01zinxuhm, /etc is required for many user programs
09:09.27Sm0ke0utthat might, but they still can read the password files, also for mysql
09:09.39Sm0ke0utunless I remove the deb-maintainence entry
09:09.47Sm0ke0utBut I supose it's there for a reason
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09:10.24zinxuhm, they shouldn't have read access to actual password files in the default config
09:11.43zinxif they do have it, i think that would qualify as a "critical" bug
09:11.57zinxbut please make sure they're actual password files
09:12.01zinx/etc/passwd isn't, for example.
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09:13.19Sm0ke0utyou're right, I should doublecheck it before asking
09:13.29Sm0ke0utthanks for your time though
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09:19.32do0obWhat is the current status of initng within debian?
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09:19.42do0obi can't seem to find newer packages
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09:21.34babilendo0ob: Debian will switch to a dependency based boot method in the next stable release. You might want to have a look at that.
09:21.47do0obbabilen: is that in debian sid now?
09:22.00do0obis that runit?
09:22.03babilendo0ob: Yes, testing as well.
09:22.11Bactasex
09:22.15do0obis it runit?
09:22.21do0obbabilen: what is its name?
09:22.35babilendo0ob: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts/DependencyBasedBoot
09:23.17do0obwhere are the disadvantages?
09:24.07do0obthe page doesn't list them, are there any?
09:24.25babilendo0ob: Problems arise when the dependencies are not correctly listed, so that a service starts before one of its dependencies has started. It will fail in that case.
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09:24.35do0obdue to the presence of dependency tracking, does it mean that they can run services in parallel?
09:25.05do0obi hope it has colours, we need nice colours in the boot sequence
09:25.06babilendo0ob: Basically: If it works there are no problems, If it does not, there are ;-)
09:25.47babilendo0ob: Colours and the order in which services are initialised are completely unrelated.
09:26.05babilendo0ob: Have a look at boot splash systems
09:26.13do0obwell the package is already installed
09:26.25do0obbabilen: i did add a nice splash to grub
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09:26.46do0obi like the livecd like scrolling text with the ok or fail on the right
09:26.54do0obmore informative
09:27.04babilenyeah..
09:28.13do0oboh cool, it has colours
09:29.03cafuegoHmm. You only ever see the boot sequence once.
09:29.09cafuegoThen you don't reboot for 4 years.
09:29.14do0obno, its a laptop
09:29.17do0oband i reboot it all the time
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09:30.52cafuegoboot once, suspend and resume for 3 years ;-)
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09:30.57do0obhow do i find the uuids of volumes?
09:31.16do0obcafuego: nope, if the power is lost then i could get data corruption
09:31.25cafuegodo0ob: vol_id /dev/foo
09:31.35do0obbut vol_id doesn't seem to exist
09:31.42cafuegodo0ob: Ah, tricksy.
09:31.50cafuegodo0ob: Is there a /dev/disk/by-uuid ?
09:31.51do0obeven tried with sudo
09:32.08do0obcafuego: yup, thats there
09:32.35cafuegoThat has uuids that are symlinked to device names
09:32.45oscurochuI want to use debian as a server for apache, mysql, php, mpd, icecast, cups, and ssh. Which CD set(s) contain what I need to get a base system setup, and what im looking for?
09:32.58do0obcafuego: ah, thanks
09:33.01cafuegoThere is another util; I can't remember the name... just let me grab the right book chapter.
09:33.14do0obcafuego: where can i get the book?
09:33.50cafuegodo0ob: amazon (but it's actually an ubuntu/redhat book)
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09:34.18cafuego`blkid' is the tool
09:34.20do0obbut what is its name?
09:34.39cafuegodo0ob: "Pro Linux System Administration" (disclaimer: I'm a co-author)
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09:37.09AmbrNewlearnerany ideas about how many days will it take for debian community to release an official package for inkscape 0.47 once it is released'
09:37.56cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: Probably whenever the maintainer has time - but it'll not make it unto Lenny.
09:38.11AmbrNewlearner:(
09:38.23cafuegowas pondering making Lenny debs; the 0.47 tarball seems to be on sourceforge.
09:39.25cafuegoHmm; I don't have  a32bit lenny vm anymore
09:39.44do0obso you don't keep it all in your head?
09:39.46AmbrNewlearnercafuego, yup, it's there...but there's no official announcement yet
09:40.09cafuegodo0ob: heh - not stuff I hardly ever use.. and I hardly ever use blkid.
09:40.17do0obah ok
09:40.18AmbrNewlearnerIf you ever make lenny debs, I will be happiest person on earth ;-)
09:40.20cafuegoalso, I'm sure I have alzheimers
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09:40.30cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: 64bit I can do right now
09:40.42AmbrNewlearneragain :(
09:40.47cafuegoheh
09:41.04cafuegolet me see if I can grab some compile time on another dev box
09:41.11AmbrNewlearnerThe machine that I have with debian installed is an old Pentium4 (32 bit ofcourse)
09:41.22cafuegoYeah, fair enough
09:41.41cafuegoMy debian ones are all virtual amchines at the moment
09:42.03chomwittis there a ext3 disk editor?
09:42.44AmbrNewlearnercafuego,  How about SSHing to my 32bit debian box?
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09:43.02cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: I'm booting a few dev VMs
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09:43.31cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: They're on a quad core somethingorother in a datacenter; it'll be 30 mins or so.
09:44.27AmbrNewlearnernp...I'll available for next few hours here...
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09:45.11cafuegoneeds faster upstream internet
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09:46.57AmbrNewlearnercafuego, actually I'm giving a presentation on Inkscape at my college...My Kubuntu box works very slow when running OpenOffice, Inkscape simultaneously with all default daemons and services of ubuntu
09:47.18cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: Yup; they all LOVE lots of ram
09:47.46AmbrNewlearnerSo, I'm thinking about using Debian minimall netinst version with only fluxbox, inkscape and openoffice running
09:48.04AmbrNewlearnerThese three should run fine on P4 box...I suppose
09:48.23cafuegoThat should help a bit; as long as the box doesn't start using a lot of swap, it should be pretty snappy.
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09:48.50cafuegoThat said, Inkscape can be very slugging on my machine is I get > 100,000 nodes in a document.
09:49.47AmbrNewlearnerThe machines at my college are all XP (no suprise here)....and I fear using anything non-linux ;)
09:49.56AmbrNewlearner.....for my presentation
09:50.03simonrvnis using inkscape right now
09:50.14cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: can those XP boxes boot off a USB key?
09:50.29AmbrNewlearneryes, iir
09:50.32AmbrNewlearner*iirc
09:50.37oscurochuI have 80GB of free space. I am going to be running apache+mysql+php as a testing/development server, cups for occassional use, ssh for file transfers, and mpd+icecast. what are some recommendations for a partition table?
09:50.44cafuegomay or may not be supposed to be writing a "compiling inkscape" appendix for a book ;-)
09:51.01cafuegooscurochu: 79GB / and 1GB swap
09:51.04AmbrNewlearnerhehe
09:51.40simonrvnthat's the easy part. the hard part is waiting for it to finish
09:51.48oscurochucafuego: Is there no need for me to create seperate partitions?
09:51.59cafuegooscurochu: On a dev box I wouldn't bother
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09:52.17AmbrNewlearnercafuego, why did you mention USB key?
09:52.27cafuegooscurochu: Well, I would actually never bother with partitions anymore and just use LVM if I needed separation
09:52.47cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: You might be able to boot Linux on those XP boxes off a USB key (run it kind of like a livecd)
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09:54.37do0obhow does grub2 know where the boot partition is?
09:54.44AmbrNewlearnercafuego, yeah, but I need inkscape 0.47 release that is not yet available for most (should I say "ALL"?) linuxes (whether I boot from live USB or my P4 box)
09:54.52do0obthe last time i tried it, it was unable to locate the kernel
09:55.01cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: I did Ubuntu apckages yesterday ;-)
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09:55.30simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: i'm running the 0.47pre4 right now
09:55.38aftertafhello : i need help diagnosing a potential dns resolution issue. slowness with Bind on local network for local and net resolution
09:55.39oscurochucafuego: I want a seperate /boot and /home partition. how large should the / partition be at the minimum?
09:55.39cafuegoRight. lenny i386 build is running.
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09:56.11AmbrNewlearnercafuego, But then as  you said: "Stuff on ubuntu love lots of RAM" :(
09:56.17cafuegooscurochu: 4GB minimum I'd say - keep in mind logs and all mysql data will go on /.
09:56.29AmbrNewlearnercafuego, I'm using your builds on my ubuntu box from last few days
09:56.29cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: Yup. That's why I have lots of ram ;-)
09:56.37AmbrNewlearnerhaha
09:56.51do0obAmbrNewlearner: how much ram do you have?
09:57.09oscurochucafuego: I understand, I planned on adding at least 5GB to whatever number you gave me anyway.
09:57.21cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: when Vista was released ram prices nosedived, so I went mad
09:57.23AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, I'm using pre4 myself...the releases from cafuego
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09:57.38simonrvnit's in sid atm
09:57.43AmbrNewlearnercafuego, I'm quoting you on this ;-)
09:58.02cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: "went mad buying cheap ram", I mean
09:58.11cafuegonot insane-mad.
09:58.17cafuegoI was that already
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09:58.39AmbrNewlearner:D
09:58.44simonrvnknew that already, being in the crazy club himself ;)
09:59.01cafuegoget off my couch, emo man!
09:59.11AmbrNewlearnerdo0ob, 1GB+256MB RAM....it's not the matter with RAM....it's with old Pentium4 processor :(
09:59.12simonrvnme emo? hehe
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09:59.44simonrvnyeouch, add at least double that.
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10:00.15cafuego1GB of RDRAM isn't cheap
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10:00.47cafuegoGhhhrm. Unfortunately the Vms are only configured with a single cpu core each.
10:01.05cafuegoSo the build may take a wee bit longer. Say a day or so ;-)
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10:02.39simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: i'm really happy with the 0.47, but still that silly bug with the 'trace bitmap' not coming up again when you close it, after having used it.
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10:04.33AmbrNewlearnercafuego, those debs should be available from your ubuntu.cafuego website....isn't it?
10:05.37AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, I tried reproducing the bug, but it appears that 'trace bitmap' opens again after I have used it
10:05.51jmarsdenaftertaf: How frequent/repeatable is the DNS lookup slowness?  Is there a particular lookup that is *always* slow?
10:06.16simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: closed it with the X (or window's close button)?
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10:06.57aftertafwell, it seems to happen 'sometimes' with inet adresses, and more often locally, eg when i run ssh to server... takes 10-15 seconds to ask me for the password
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10:08.07AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, yes....tried it again ...still working
10:08.14jmarsdenaftertaf: And you know this is DNS resolution slowness, not some other slowness, because... ?
10:08.32aftertafthat's the thing . . . i don't. :/
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10:09.04aftertafi'm new to the server part of things and I'm therefore a bit lost. first impressions were DNS being slow
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10:09.09b0rsukHi, it's a bit hard to google for...
10:09.21jmarsdenaftertaf: "slowness with bind" you said... so does dig servername      work well and work rapidly?
10:09.27AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, I import a bitmap, then I open 'trace bitmap', in new dialog I press OK, then I close 'trace bitmap' window using X (close button)....then I retried these steps and there seems no problem
10:09.27b0rsukDo you know any program like 'indent', but for HTML ? Commandline, etc ?
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10:10.00simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: ok. try tracing it as colour, or pressing other radio boxes/checkboxes
10:10.07nsadminb0rsuk you could probably make one out of perl and one of its html parsers
10:10.14leop18somehow my rc.local won't start a service /etc/init.d/vdr start?
10:10.38b0rsuknsadmin: That sounds like learning Perl
10:10.42babilenb0rsuk: I am not a aware of a standalone program, but Python+beatifulsoup will make that easy.
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10:11.01nsadminb0rsuk wpi;d be required, yes.
10:11.05b0rsukHmm, good idea.
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10:11.17nsadminleop18 that would be an unusual way of going about it
10:11.29b0rsukThere's also 'tidy', but I can't get it to work properly. A bit hard to use if you don't know how.
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10:12.25leop18I'm running level 2 and I can see the script in rc2.d but it won't start so I thought if I could put it in my local it'll run
10:12.32aftertafjmarsden: it works fine with just hostname of server... testing more ;)
10:12.42nsadmina LOT of things in this realm and many others require you to learn something... complaining it's hard to use reduces to a choice
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10:13.22jmarsdenaftertaf: OK.  Try to find something that fails reliably, then you/we can troubleshoot that issue :)
10:13.25cafuegob0rsuk: tidy -i -o output.html input.html
10:13.27aftertafbut when i dig just the servername, the reply i get is a NXDOMAIN,
10:13.29leop18I'm using Knoppix 6 which is based on debian of course
10:13.40simonrvn!based on debian
10:13.40dpkgYour distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead.  Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian.
10:13.42b0rsukcafuego: Thank you.
10:13.46cafuegob0rsuk: Actually
10:13.50cafuegob0rsuk: tidy -i -o output.html < input.html
10:13.50nsadminleop18: why won't it start? look in /etc/rc2.d/ and see if there's a link there (knoppix isn't supported here, but look there anyway)
10:13.59jmarsdenaftertaf: So the default domain in your /etc/resolv.conf on the client may be set incorrectly?
10:14.00cafuegob0rsuk: it wants data from stdin, not file :-)
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10:14.13b0rsukWhy is it so complicated to use ?
10:14.23aftertafahh...
10:14.29AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, working for me...I used color quantization, then selected invert image, then selected remove background....then OK ....then closed the dialog, then re opened the dialog and it is working
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10:14.34b0rsukIt doesn't exactly roll of my tongue...
10:14.41cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: And yes, the debs will be on ubuntu.cafuego.net when done
10:15.05simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: did you happen to press update?
10:15.10cafuegob0rsuk: Just as per `tidy -help' eh
10:15.13aftertafjmarsden: my local domain is peperement.local   my server is clarity, and i set in dhcpd.conf peperement.local
10:15.15nsadminif there is NOT a link there, then that might be the problem... if there IS a link there, then presumably it is trying to start, and you need to watch the boot process to see it trying to start, and if there's an error msg
10:15.25leop18thanks nsadmin?
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10:15.34AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, yes...I pressed update almost every time
10:15.44aftertafjmarsden: option domain-name "peperement.local";
10:15.54AmbrNewlearnercafuego, thanks for heads up on this :-)
10:15.59aftertafand -- option domain-name-servers clarity.peperement.local;
10:16.01nsadminleop18: so... is there a link?
10:16.23leop18yes the link to /etc/init.d/vdr (script)
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10:16.41jmarsdenaftertaf: So in /etc/resolv.conf on the client do you see a line   domain peperement.local  ?
10:16.43simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: and the window isn't blank? weird it's working for you (happy for you though)
10:16.49nsadminjust so you know you might be using upstart instead of sysvinit
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10:16.52leop18that's what is troubling me everything seems ok
10:16.57jmarsdenaftertaf: In other words, did the DHCP configuration do what you wanted it to?
10:17.09simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: you're not restarting inkscape either?
10:17.09b0rsukUgghh, tidy b0rked my unicode
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10:17.19b0rsukI had piles of chinese chars, now I have garbage.
10:17.26nsadminlook at the script... what's the name of the thing it's starting?
10:17.29aftertafjmarsden: i have aline domain and a line search, both with domain name as said
10:17.32leop18manually I have to run it /etc/init.d/vdr start which I don't want:)
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10:17.55nsadminleop18: and that works when you do?
10:18.00leop18yes
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10:18.09nsadminwhat is the name of the link in /etc/rc2.d?
10:18.31jmarsdenaftertaf: OK... and your DNS server is supposed to be authoritative for that domain?  If you dig servername.peperement.local.  does it work then?
10:19.01aftertafAUTHORITY SECTION : peperement.local.       604800  IN      NS      clarity.peperement.local.
10:19.03leop18I think it S2vdr I'm sitting on a different pc now just  a sec
10:19.07aftertafyep, think so . .
10:19.07AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, I tried both.....restarting and not restarting inkscape ...
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10:19.26nsadminok, that's pretty early
10:19.29simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: thank you. now i know where to look.
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10:19.39nsadminmake sure what the name is
10:19.45aftertafjmarsden: its authoritative, and seems to be aware of that ... :)
10:19.57AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, I'm using Inkscape 0.47pre4 r22446, built Oct 14 2009 on Kubuntu 9.10... (in case this helps) :-)
10:19.58simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: oh, one more thing, what OS is this?
10:20.06leop18It S20vdr
10:20.07simonrvnah kubuntu...
10:20.07jmarsdenaftertaf: Hmmm.  But did it give you an answer (an A record with an IP address) when you asked the question?
10:20.15leop18is's I meant :)
10:20.18nsadminok, that's a little less early
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10:20.25aftertafjmarsden: yes it did...
10:20.34nsadminlook at the dir
10:20.45leop18yep
10:20.50nsadminwhat comes just before and just before that?
10:20.57leop18ok
10:21.14jmarsdenaftertaf: OK, so something in the /etc/resolv.conf on the client must be the issue, I think... can you pastebin me your /etc/resolv.conf so I can read it?
10:21.17nsadminin /etc/rc2.d that is
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10:22.16simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: i imagine it's either a) my prefs or b) a patch ubuntu has
10:22.23aftertafjmarsden: done :) http://pastebin.com/d5a89e31a
10:22.41simonrvni'll have to fetch ubuntu's source package to be sure
10:23.03leop18S20tftpd-hpa S20smail
10:23.12nsadminok
10:23.19nsadminso here's what you do
10:23.26leop18sorry nsadmin these what come before
10:23.27jmarsdenaftertaf: Why the three nameserver lines, two of which seem to be non-local?  Do those two also know about servername.peperement.local ?
10:23.37nsadmin(wait until I'm done tho)
10:23.56nsadmin<PROTECTED>
10:24.13aftertafjmarsden: nope, they're my ISP DNS 1+2
10:24.32babilenaptitude safe-upgrade shouldn't change the "hold" state of a package previously on hold - or is this expected behaviour?
10:24.33jmarsdenSo... why would you put them in resolv.conf if you want/expect local name resolution?
10:24.35nsadmin<PROTECTED>
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10:24.44AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, I'm downloading the 0.47 final (not pre) build by cafuego for kubuntu9.10....let's see whether this bug is produced in this release...
10:25.02simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: oh, it's released? nice.
10:25.08aftertafjmarsden: ha, you got me there ;) - put them for 'backup' for net resolution i guess . . .
10:25.10nsadmin<PROTECTED>
10:25.20doxtorHow do I find out which packages have been installed since initial distro installation?
10:25.22aftertafdid a bad thing?
10:25.24nsadmin<PROTECTED>
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10:25.56nsadminok, you can go do that now if you want (if it'
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10:26.05nsadmins ok for you to reboot that is)
10:26.07jmarsdenaftertaf: Probably better not to do that; you can have your local DNS server forward queries to those DNS servers if you want, but having all your DNS queries from the client go to the local DNS server first (And so get answers about the local domain) is probably the way you want to go.
10:26.26AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, not official package but the package is from trustworthy source :) Here: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/dists/karmic-cafuego/all/
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10:26.45nsadmincafuego, I know that name
10:26.46aftertafjmarsden: ok. ill restart DHCP with that setup and reget my lease ;)
10:26.54Sm0ke0utIf i'm using SSHkey authentications instead of passwords (and locked), then it's not possible to use sudo anymore?
10:26.59cafuegohides in the liquor cabinet
10:27.36jmarsdenaftertaf: OK.  For testing you could just edit resolv.conf :)
10:28.10AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, Look at SF's file section for 0.47 folder....it's released...but not yet officially announced...they are having some problems with windows exes and there is no MacOSX package yet
10:28.11aftertafin dhcpd.conf, the # makes a line commented out ?
10:28.31simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: i'll look in a min
10:28.33aftertafjmarsden: if i edit resolv.conf, i need to ifdown/up 'lo' or not ?
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10:28.48jmarsdenaftertaf: No, just edit it :)
10:29.00aftertafjmarsden: thx ;) will do now
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10:29.26aftertafjmarsden: been dabbling for 8 years with linux, and only now been able to have a server on linux, for me to play around with . . . ;)
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10:30.35aftertafit works: did a dig on www.gogole.com
10:30.58simonrvnwell release date says today ;)
10:31.15jmarsdenOK.  So now you're back to trying to find something that resolves slowly... but I need to stop talking here and go to sleep :)
10:31.26aftertafjmarsden: thx :)
10:31.28cafuegoamd64 also nearly done building; i386 nearly downloaded
10:31.31jmarsdenaftertaf: No problem.
10:31.41aftertafjmarsden: it seems to be ssh that takes time to reply . . . will look into that
10:31.49aftertafnight
10:32.00jmarsdenaftertaf: Goodnight.
10:32.51simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: thanks
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10:33.18simonrvncafuego: and to you too
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10:33.33AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, np...anyways, will you be compiling from source fro debian?
10:33.38cafuegodon't thank me; my wife would kill me if I didn't do builds ;-)
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10:34.18simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: i did for pre3, and someone got pre4 built, so i just installed that one from the debian repo
10:35.14flexyI need to change the language gnome-desktop speaks for user(s). I need to do that remotely. The user is not able to do it, so I have to do it via ssh connection. How?
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10:36.15Caelumflexy: put the appropriate LANG and such into their .bashrc ?
10:36.16flexyI tried via user/.bashrc and LANG etc settings, but it worked only for text console programs, not gui
10:36.45do0obwhat are the tools currently available for modifying the appearance of the startup sequence?
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10:36.56flexyI think there is a chooser in gdm, but I can't see it
10:36.56Caelumdo0ob: splashy is one
10:37.06babilenaftertaf: too bad gogole.com is already owned by google ... would have been a nice domain :-D
10:37.08cafuegoflexy: If it's for all users on the machine, add it in /etc/environment
10:37.13AmbrNewlearnerI will brb :)
10:37.37aftertafbabilen: c pas faux, as says Perceval
10:37.38jmarsdenflexy: I think you might be able to edit ~user/.dmrc to set up a session language there.
10:37.59flexyok, I'll try /etc/environment. But first I check the .dmrc file
10:38.12do0obis that all? how do i make it look more like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK6mNjmXroI i want the colours
10:38.30flexyaaah, yes, .dmrc file contains it. :)
10:38.52jmarsdenflexy: Good, my memory is working :)
10:39.56Caelumdo0ob: the first part is just a logo, which is a kernel option
10:40.03Caelumdo0ob: the second part is just /etc/motd
10:40.04simonrvncafuego: hehe
10:40.06flexynow, just to get the user to login again, check it with vnc and set to go. (my mother, 800km away)
10:40.09do0oboh
10:40.25do0obCaelum: but the colours?
10:40.51do0obCaelum: /etc/motd looks auto-generated, since it has the kernel version in it
10:41.03Caelumdo0ob: you can put ansi codes into motd I think
10:41.29simonrvnyou can. i have one on my main ppc box that has a large debian logo in it.
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10:42.02simonrvni've had it there since... 2003 IIRC.
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10:42.43do0obCaelum: colours for the entire output, you see the way the text is in bold? how do i do that?
10:42.59do0obthe first idea was initng but it doesn't seem to exist anymore
10:43.01leop18nsadmin, I just rebooted and I can see smail and tftpd-hpa started
10:43.01flexyjmarsden: argh. did not help. still got the menus in "wrong" language...
10:43.13do0obwell not debian's version
10:43.42Caelumdo0ob: if you use splashy you get a penguin and progressbar and no text at all for the most part :)
10:43.45jmarsdenflexy: OK, test it on your own local machne -- set a different langauge in the GDM and log in, then see what is different about your ~/.* files
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10:44.28do0obCaelum: i want the text, i like to see the boot status, I also plan to try and write my own init script, it'll show the smart info for the hdd and ask if the system should be booted
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10:45.09flexyright. I had one LC_MESSAGES in /etc/environmet in the "wrong" language.... I'll check if that was the cause...
10:47.21oscurochuI have just installed debian and I am trying to get my wireless card installed. I am on the ubuntu liveCD right now, and Im chrooted into my debian system. I am new to debian and im not quite sure how to install ndiswrapper??
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10:48.04flexyjmarsden: yes, it was the /etc/environment. thanks for the help.
10:48.15jmarsdenflexy: No problem.
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10:48.58cafuegoAmbrNewlearner: Pushing to the mirrors now; it should be there in 15mins or so.
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10:50.50flexywhich one wins? /quit or /join ?
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10:51.35eptalonheyas
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10:52.07eptalondoes the version of grub that comes with sif support booting from ext4, or btrfs?
10:52.20eptaloner sid
10:55.37simonrvnmy bad, it's my /etc/issue
10:55.49neoiceeptalon: I dont think you can boot from btrfs yet, can you?
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10:56.36eptalonneoice: I dont know, I was looking for a new fs for my boot volume (small, currently ext3)
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10:57.39eptalonneoice: to get rid of the fschks every 30 or so mounts
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10:57.55cafuegoeptalon: Just turn that off with tune2fs
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10:58.46Nazcafanhello
10:59.16NazcafanI have performed hte transition to grub 2
10:59.53Nazcafanbut when I chainload grub -> grub2 it itakes a lot of time to show the grub2 menu
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11:00.14NazcafanI get stuck in the "minimal shell" for about 20 seconds
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11:00.55eptaloncafuego: so neither ext4, nor btrfs are any good?
11:01.35AmbrNewlearnercafuego, Ah...ok...pushing my "thanks' to IRC now; it should have reached to you by now ;-)
11:03.19AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, did you heard that? cafuego is putting the debian package on the his website....catch it if you want :)
11:03.46do0obare init scripts initialised one at a time?
11:04.17do0obi want to write a script that will display system info and ask the user if they want to boot or not, but i need to hold the boot process untill the user gives it the ok
11:04.23simonrvnAmbrNewlearner, cafuego: thanks
11:04.23eptalondo0ob: they are run one after another, iirc.
11:04.24do0obthe probably only ever being me :(
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11:05.46cmyersDoes anyone know why ping / dig would work, but other apps would be unable to resolve DNS?
11:06.01cmyerse.g. apt-get update fails to resolve dns, and wget fails too
11:06.26cmyersthis started when I switched ISPs recently - I use dhcp, and the dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf seem correct.
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11:08.18AmbrNewlearnersimonrvn, I tried 'trace bitmap' stuff and then closing dialog using X. Then tried reopening it..it is working...on 'Inkscape 0.47 r22583, built Nov 21 2009' on Kubuntu 9.10...
11:08.35cmyersthe errors are here: http://pastebin.com/d2c8525a6
11:08.39simonrvnAmbrNewlearner: ok, thank you. hrm.
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11:09.09cafuegoeptalon: ext4 or btrfs might be fine, but if all you're worried about is the periodical fsck, just turn the periodical fsck off.
11:10.20sladi_Nazcafan: Do you have more than one HDD and do they make seeking sounds? If yes change the boot order in BIOS. :)
11:10.24oscurochuhow do i install ndiswrapper?
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11:11.16Nazcafansladi_: yes, seeking sounds
11:11.23Nazcafan!paste
11:11.24dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>.
11:11.56cafuegocmyers: Are the permissions or ownership of /etc/resolv.conf ok?
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11:12.43simonrvnAmbrNewlearner, cafuego: see ya later.
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11:12.48oscurochuok i know it shouldnt take more than a couple of minutes for a response as simple as this: How do I install ndiswrapper?? "apt-get install ndiswrapper" isnt working as expected.
11:12.49cafuegodunno
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11:13.21cmyerscafuego: it is world readable and owned by root (644)
11:13.44AmbrNewlearnerI'm downloading minimal debian-503-i386-netinst.iso, then I want to install openoffice, fluxbox and inkscape package. What stuff should I start reading...Any link to quick guide to installing packages in debian?
11:14.03sladi_Nazcafan: then you should switch the boot order of the hdds in BIOS. It helped me and I think there is a bug filed already.
11:14.39oscurochucan i please get a response? im sorry if im growing impatient, but its a simple question!
11:14.42cmyersAmbrNewlearner: depends on whether you like CLI or GUI - I prefer aptitude/apt-get.  I "apt-cache search <keyword>" then "apt-get install <pkg name>"
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11:15.01cmyersoscurochu: if we knew, I'm sure we'd say something.  Apparently nobody here knows
11:15.10cmyersit has been years since I used ndis and it has changed since then I am sure.
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11:15.57AmbrNewlearnercmyers, oh...nice, apt (used this in ubuntu) will suit all my needs :)
11:16.15cmyersAmbrNewlearner: coolies =)
11:16.17AmbrNewlearnercmyers, Does minimal ISO comes with some WM?
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11:17.01cmyersthe netinst only includes the base system, kernel, lots of modules to make sure it can get most network cards working, and necessary stuff like vi, sudo, less, screen, etc.
11:17.22cmyersas part of the install, however, it will make sure your network works and set you up with a repository, and start installing directly off of there.
11:18.15AmbrNewlearnercmyers, no need to configure, update etc repositories?
11:19.22AmbrNewlearnercafuego, I can see lenny packages on your website . thank you very much :)
11:19.22cmyersif you want to use the repositories it gives you, things should just work.  if you wanted to bump from stable to, say, testing, or unstable, you would edit /etc/apt/sources.list.
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11:19.39AmbrNewlearnercmyers, got it...ty :)
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11:22.46AmbrNewlearnerAnyways, I never tried this stuff and so I'm asking this...IF a machine has debian minimal netinst installed and I connect that machine to a projector (don't remember projector make/type) i.e. dual display setup... projector should work...isn't it?
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11:23.16cmyersAmbrNewlearner: depends on your video card.  Many I have worked with "just work", but also many do not
11:23.35cmyersif things don't seem to be working, make sure you plug the monitor in before starting X
11:23.49cmyersit is easier to let X auto-detect than try to set it up after the fact.
11:24.29AmbrNewlearnercmyers, With single display setup, are there better chances of projector working?
11:25.17cmyersI assume the projector will seem just like any other monitor to X... does it have specific resultion requirements, or is it "flexible"?
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11:26.59AmbrNewlearnercmyers, no idea...I will confirm when I get my hands on projector tomorrow and update you with the details :-)
11:27.25cmyersheh, sadly I won't be around, but hopefully if you have any problems there will be folks in the channel
11:27.33cmyersI have a plane to catch in 3 hrs.
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11:29.40AmbrNewlearnerOf course, I will consult with other folks...anyways, I should be back reporting not before 24 hours from now....maybe, I can catch you then (?)
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11:30.16AmbrNewlearnercmyers, anyways thanks for the help :)
11:30.40AmbrNewlearnercmyers, ....and Enjoy your journey!
11:31.09eptalonSo, Grub can boot form an ext4
11:31.16eptalon?
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11:36.39AmbrNewlearnerDoes minimal netinst ISO has a GUI installer or CUI one?
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11:39.46eptalonAmbrNewlearner: what do you mean "GUI"?
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11:40.09eptalonAmbrNewlearner: It has a "guided" installation, that can run in a graphical env.
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11:41.04AmbrNewlearnereptalon, I meant Graphical User Interface for the installer....i.e. guided installation in graphical env. (as you said)
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11:41.55eptalonAmbrNewlearner: You can use a mouse to click the buttons, don't expect much though.
11:42.12AmbrNewlearnerah...ok ty :)
11:42.24do0obwhat is the kernel parameter in grub which hides more than "quiet" does?
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11:42.33eptalonAmbrNewlearner: its functionally the same as the text-only version.
11:42.47Bombohi
11:42.47do0obi remember using it a year ago and it got rid of all stuff i can't read as it passes by
11:42.50do0obhi
11:44.34Bombohow do i use mkinitramfs on a debootstrapped lenny? problem is i dont have /proc : mkinitramfs shows me errors: 'grep: /proc/modules: No such file or directory'
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11:49.22do0obBombo: oh, you need mount --bind
11:50.23Bombodo0ob: right, in the 'guest os' there is no module support, so just /proc/modules is missing
11:50.51do0obah
11:51.04do0obBombo: maybe you could try another livecd? system rescue cd is pretty good
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11:51.27Bombonot sure if that is that important to mkinitramfs, but the new lenny doesnt boot at all
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11:51.49Bombodo0ob: no its a remote machine i dont have physical access
11:52.30Bombodo0ob: want to install lenny through ssh ;)
11:52.59do0obcan't you use your local system's initramfs on the remote system?
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11:53.15cahootbind mount /proc?
11:53.55Bombodo0ob: not sure, and i dont have lenny here
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11:54.26Bombohow can i check if the initrd is ok?
11:54.39kripzHaving issues with a for loop in my bash script, can somebody please see if anything looks out of the ordinary? http://pastebin.com/m26e2a6b8
11:54.46Bombocahoot: yes, but still /proc/modules is missing
11:54.57do0obBombo: usually you try to boot it, but not sure how you can do that remotely
11:55.22do0obBombo: installing it quickly in a vm not an option?
11:55.38Bombodo0ob: well i can reboot but the machine wont come up... not even pingable, so i reboot again the rescue kernel
11:56.07kripzHaving issues with a for loop in my bash script, wheen it loops through the files, whitespace is treated as new lines? http://pastebin.com/m26e2a6b8
11:56.23do0obkripz: #bash
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11:56.47sunnynarula18kripz:  thats word splitting...#bash
11:56.54kripzkk
11:57.20Bombomkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64 2.6.26-2-amd64
11:57.37Bomboit does create /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-amd64
11:58.22Bombojust shows 'grep: /proc/modules: No such file or directory' multiple times
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12:02.52Bombodo0ob: you mean dl the whole debootstrapped dir and copy it to a local qemu?
12:03.27Bombohm
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12:05.26do0obBombo: no, do it to a virtualbox, and you could just netinstall a new system and copy over the root filesystem  if you wanted
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12:10.42Bombodo0ob: and then?
12:13.25do0obthen boot
12:13.41do0obBombo: what exactly are you trying to do? do a fresh install of debian on that remote system?
12:13.58do0obactually, your host and the remote machine might have different modules and stuff
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12:19.07Bombodo0ob: yes i booted the remote rescue kernel fscked the hd installed lenny via debootstrap...
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12:35.47Caelumbleh, who broke my rlwrap
12:36.20Shadurarghs. Trying to install lenny-amd64 on a system with the netinst CD, repeatedly getting the following error: "sysvinit: creating /dev/initctl; init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl."
12:37.02jpinx-eeepcArcher: A base in install and add what you need with aptitude install - no need to edit init
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12:37.30ShadurFollowed by a bunch of dependency warnings for initramfs-tools that it ignores at command, followed by "cp: cannot stat /usr/share/initramfs-tools/modules: no such file or directory"
12:37.37Archerjpinx-eeepc: so it does that all for you, thats pretty cool
12:37.50jpinx-eeepcArcher: it's very cool ;)
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13:01.06hoo-hahhi guys, among powertop power-saving suggestions,  echo 1500 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs  . How do I make this permanent?
13:01.19action09sysctl ?
13:01.43hoo-hahwhat's the option?
13:02.01hoo-hahsys.vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs=1500 ?
13:02.05action09no
13:02.13action09vi /etc/sysctl.conf
13:02.25action09and add it
13:02.32hoo-hahadd what?
13:02.58Caelumhoo-hah: vm.dirty_writeback_centisecs=1500
13:03.10hoo-hahoh, i have to omit sys too
13:05.18hoo-hahCaelum: thanks
13:05.30action09no problemo :)
13:05.53action09# sysctl -a |grep dirty
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13:09.17hoo-hahah, righto
13:09.18hoo-hahaction09: thanks
13:09.30action09;) no problemo :)
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13:14.31DeSian_what use debian testing for keyboard layout switching, xorg.conf or hal and xml files?
13:16.03jpinx-eeepc!testing
13:16.03dpkgi guess testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>.  See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>.  You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times.  Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers.
13:16.34jpinx-eeepcDeSian_: set locales?
13:16.35hoo-hahDeSian_: you can use setxkbmap
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13:18.36DeSian_hoo-hah, setxkbmap worked fine but i need keyboard shortcut
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13:18.45DeSian_jpinx-eeepc, locales?
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13:20.31jpinx-eeepc!locales
13:20.32dpkgUse `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running.  This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time.  Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>.  http://wiki.debian.org/Locale
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13:21.18DeSian_jpinx-eeepc, that worked for one locale, the problem i use 2 keyboard layout with Variant
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13:22.04jpinx-eeepcDeSian_: ah - ok - not sure about that - I just reconfigure locales to pop between my spanish & UK kbds
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13:23.31hoo-hahDeSian_: a keyboard shortcut for setxkbmap.. shouldn't be difficult
13:23.35jpinx-eeepcDeSian_: my eeepc has a spanish kbd and I log in by ssh from a old laptop for the benefit of the bigger keybord and screen - but it's a UK kbd
13:23.41hoo-hahif I'm understand correctly
13:23.54hoo-hah*I
13:23.57DeSian_this link is also not more available http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch08.html#_the_keyboard_input i can't believe it that is not post in debian wiki about keyboard switching in X
13:24.42jpinx-eeepcDeSian_: I suppose I could write a script to autonmagically make ssh logins use the UK kbd map ., but I can't be arsed;)
13:24.48DeSian_hoo-hah, i know that is not defical but i don't know how to done it :D
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13:27.56jpinx-eeepcDeSian_: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch08.en.html#_the_keyboard_input
13:28.18jpinx-eeepcDeSian_: since that was the guide you were using ;)
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13:29.26DeSian_jpinx-eeepc, thnx, as i said that isn't for keyboard switching with keyboard shortcut
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13:30.26jpinx-eeepcDeSian_: if you're looking for a gui for that you should search in whatever desktop you're using
13:31.10hoo-hahDeSian_: which WM are you using?
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13:31.27DeSian_jpinx-eeepc, yes, i use the xkboption everytime and worked fine  without X or with kde, gnome, fluxbox ..etc
13:31.42DeSian_hoo-hah, i use fluxbox and lxde
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13:33.37FredWPthemill, are you there?
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13:34.49hoo-hahDeSian_: http://tamilinux.wordpress.com/2006/11/21/changing-keyboard-layouts-in-fluxbox/
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13:35.01hoo-hahDeSian_: you add the toggles to menu
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13:36.02DeSian_hoo-hah, the post orginally from me self in fluxbox with my name, but it was before 2 years
13:36.41DeSian_that is my post http://fluxbox-wiki.org/index.php?title=Switch_Keyboard_layout
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13:37.07hoo-hahI guess you've forgotten a lot since then ... :P
13:37.10DeSian_this way worked since debian squeeze or sid no more
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13:38.07hoo-hahsetxkbmap -layout .. ?
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13:40.37themilltravkin: don't do that....
13:40.40DeSian_hoo-hah, it worked with setxkbmap, but i need to do it with keyboard shortcut
13:40.46themillFredWP: hello
13:41.11Dakuniertravkin ?
13:41.29FredWPthemill, there's a software blacklist on Libreplanet, do you know of it?
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13:42.08FredWPI did some research, and Debian has most, if not all, of this software in its main repository: http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Software_blacklist
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13:42.50d1bFredWP: oh noes! i mean really it is complain  / should be to be in main
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13:43.12themillFredWP: as I said the other day -- debian and the fsf have very different ideas about what is free software.
13:43.40themillI like the entry for vrms on that page though ;)
13:43.55d1bROFL
13:43.59d1bthemill: was just going to say that.
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13:44.49d1bthemill: apparently it should be renamed vdfsg
13:44.51at0mhi, how long would xfs_check take on a 1TB partition?  this run is taking >8hrs.. :/
13:45.02FredWPthemill, I'm talking about GNU, not FSF necessarily.
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13:45.03at0mmaybe it depends on the errors it finds, but sure is long
13:45.26themillFredWP: I'm not familiar with the distinction you're trying to draw there.
13:45.28FredWPDebian is a GNU/Linux operating system, as it advertises itself as themill, but you tell me it's not really complying to GNU standards?
13:45.35zinxFredWP: Debian follows the Debian Free Software Guidelines
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13:45.42FredWPIt advertises as a free operating system (free as in freedom).
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13:46.21zinxFredWP: according to the DFSG.
13:46.28zinxFredWP: which you should likely read.
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13:46.36themillFredWP: and free is defined in the Debian Free Software Guidelines. The FSF has a different meaning of Free that disagrees with debian's definition in some places.
13:46.42at0mFredWP: for most listed software it's easy to see.  Firefox isn't all free, and the others like b43-fwcutter and ndiswrapper are used to install proprietary frimware/drivers
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13:47.04d1bFredWP: don't use debian then :P
13:47.12zinxor install vrms
13:47.16at0mand ofcourse, non-free fonts are non-free eh.  great find.
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13:47.19d1bzinx: no that's evil :P
13:47.21d1bheeheh.
13:47.33themillzinx: according to the page that FredWP linked to, vrms is non-free...
13:47.57d1bthemill: no it isn't non-free they say it is misleading and therefore they don't like it.
13:48.23themillyes, true. But FredWP is using this page to say that debian is distributing non-free software.
13:48.26themillFredWP: That list is also pretty crappy. Software is not "non-free" because it suggests that a user can download some proprietary software if they choose to do so.
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13:48.49d1bFredWP: the fsf is a bit silly at times.
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13:49.14d1bhttp://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#43
13:49.22FredWPthemill, I do not entirely disagree with that, I think it's personal preference really.
13:49.37FredWPBut anyway, I understand the difference of Debian freedom and FSF/GNU freedom now.
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13:50.39themillFredWP: you should do some work yourself to look at what people don't like about the things on that list and whether you agree or not with the rationale for putting it on that list. Most of it is old, out of date, or nonsense.
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13:52.05themillFredWP: for example, they say that PDFTK is non-free because it contains some Sun java files in it. The Debian package does *not* contain these files.
13:52.47aeghi
13:53.05aegHey themil
13:53.11FredWPthemill, I understand.
13:53.19zinxsoftware that doesn't fit DFSG that's in main would be a 'serious' bug :/
13:53.30shahrisomeone link the page again
13:53.34shahrithe one you're talking about
13:53.38shahriI want to have a look too
13:54.00themillsuspects this discussion should move to #debian-offtopic in any case.
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13:55.44FredWPshahri, http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/Software_blacklist
13:55.51shahrithanks
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13:56.27FredWPAfio is found in the main repository.
13:56.43FredWPAnd if you look at the description, if this is true for the one available in Debian, it's actually non-free.
13:56.50FredWPhttp://packages.debian.org/afio
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13:57.17FredWPProblem: "It may not be sold at a profit." /afio/usr/share/doc/afio/copyright
13:57.17d1bFredWP: this isn't the place.
13:57.24FredWPd1b, it very much is.
13:57.29FredWPthemill, Problem: "It may not be sold at a profit." /afio/usr/share/doc/afio/copyright.
13:57.36d1bFredWP: apt-get install microsoftwindows
13:57.41FredWPIt's available in the main repository, yet it's not free.
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13:57.51FredWPthemill, it's very much on-topic.
13:57.56d1bseriously. it is a critical bug if it is non-complaint, if you find one
13:58.06FredWPI just listed one...
13:58.08d1bplease do file a bug. BUT do check it is a bug first.
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13:58.29themillFredWP: no, this is a user-support channel. Meta-discussions like this one are better elsewhere -- the debian-legal mailist list or perhaps in #debian-offtopci
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13:59.12zinxd1b: 'serious' i think
13:59.20d1bzinx: you are probably correct :)
13:59.53harkthe afio thing is already known
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14:01.13FredWPhark, then why is it kept in the main repository?
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14:01.25FredWPHas it been fixed for Debian?
14:01.31themillFredWP: did you read the discussionon debian-legal or the bug report about it?
14:01.40FredWPNope.
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14:01.58abrotmanwhy would he do that ..
14:02.00themillFredWP: well perhaps you should try to find out information prior to shooting your mouth off.
14:02.03harkFredWP: wip, no need to file a bug on this. there should be one in the bts anyway, check it out
14:02.07d1band we kick this troll ?
14:02.09FredWPI'm just questioning.
14:02.23abrotmanthere is an existing/open bug about this already
14:02.29themillFredWP: #debian-offtopic. And please do your own homework.
14:02.31FredWPAm I trolling because I'm questioning some software being possibly non-free in the main repository?
14:02.39themill!dbugs 509287
14:02.43dpkg#509287:I[afio] afio: license is non-free (lenny-ignore); Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:03:01 UTC []
14:03.05themillFredWP: you're coming across like a troll and you're not listening to what people are saying. It's not intentional, but that's what it looks like.
14:03.33FredWPIt's definitely not intentional, I wish to stop this discussion now before it gets any worse.
14:03.54FredWPI'll look it up next time before questioning
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14:07.01badzoi have a problem, what should i put into grub's menu.lst to be able to boot arch linux from my usb drive? (sdb) arch linux is loacted at /dev/sdb9
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14:08.47badzoi have put ' kernel (hd1,8) /vmlinuz root=/dev/sdb9 ro' but it doesnt work for me
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14:11.29foolio_I'm sorry to ask stupid newbie questions but how would you recommend me to to install scala on lenny?
14:11.36foolio_there is a package http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/scala
14:12.12foolio_is it better to compile it by myself, or use scala.2.7.7.final-installer.jar instead?
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14:16.47badzoi have a problem, what should i put into grub's menu.lst to be able to boot arch linux from my usb drive? (sdb) arch linux is loacted at /dev/sdb9
14:16.50badzoi have put ' kernel (hd1,8) /vmlinuz root=/dev/sdb9 ro' but it doesnt work for me
14:16.55bremnerby not working, I mean, it seemed to have hung about 300MB into the sync
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14:18.53uwjesdIs there any software in the repo. that can create seamless textures?
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14:20.34badzoso this is the famous linux community
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14:20.50hoo-hahbadzo: one easy way is to get into grub shell at boot menu, and do kernel (hd0-x,0-x) and tab complete to see the contents
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14:21.06hoo-hahbadzo: don't condescend
14:21.12chellomereuwjesd, the gimp can do that, in a number of ways
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14:21.59pngwn!arch linux
14:22.00dpkgArch Linux is an a i686 optimized linux distribution which claims to be minimalistic and fast, has binary and source based package management.  http://www.archlinux.org/  #archlinux on irc.freenode.net.
14:22.08chellomereuwjesd, they may or may not work well for you tho. making seamless textures is an art.
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14:23.10badzohoo-hah: i did it already, it seems like grub doesnt see the usb drive
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14:24.06franki^badzo: does your BIOS allow booting from usb?
14:24.10badzoyes
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14:26.20limpiohi, i'm using Lenny and a spanish kbd, the key "alt Gr" that controls symbols such as |,@,#, works only after i do a 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' at the beginning of the session, what file do i have to edit to make it permanent (i checked /etc/X11/xorg.conf) it's fine.
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14:35.13asmdroidI have an issue with a gnome applet that I caused by trying to customize and compile an existing one. I deleted configuration. I removed and reinstalled gnome and I receive errors on start-up. I want to know where the applets are stored, and whether there are any settings that I need to delete.
14:35.22asmdroidWondering if anyone has a clue?
14:36.15karmeasmdroid: dpkg -L ?
14:36.30d1bkarme: he wants to remove the config...
14:36.44d1basmdroid: .gnome2 .gnome i thought.... and maybe .metacity
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14:37.28rgrlimpio: i think (and god knows why) its console-data.
14:37.31asmdroidAttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'GETTEXT_PACKAGE'
14:37.44asmdroidThat's the error that I have. dpkg -L thanks
14:38.10asmdroidnot sure if removing config will solve unless it's a global thing? tried as another account so not local user config.
14:38.12rgrlimpio: I know that settings/keyboard layout did not work either on a new lenny install.
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14:39.16karmeasmdroid: so the problem persists if you try with a new account?
14:39.24asmdroidexactly
14:39.46d1basmdroid: apt-get install gnome ?...
14:39.51asmdroidI have already done a autoremove on gnome-applets and installated gnome.
14:39.58asmdroidyes
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14:41.30raffaele!list
14:41.31dpkgraffaele: VATTENE VIA
14:42.11karmeamsterdam: maybe you installed your modified package again?
14:42.29asmdroidno modified package was "make installed"
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14:42.42asmdroiddunno why it would do that
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14:43.03karmeasmdroid: to /usr/local ?
14:43.14ProGenYhi to all ... how to install python 2.6 on etch ?
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14:43.53asmdroidkarme: yes
14:44.03karmeasmdroid: and you removed it again?
14:44.06chomwitt_i have grub legacy installed in my lenny. if i install grub2 will there be a problem?
14:44.31asmdroidok I'll do a proof of concept and rm it to be sure.
14:44.36karmeasmdroid: to find the files you might do a make install DESTDIR=/tmp/foo as normal user again
14:44.59karmeasmdroid: then you can look in /tmp/foo/usr/local for the files to remove
14:45.15karmeasmdroid: assuming the makefile supports DESTDIR
14:47.10PlItSany one ?
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14:54.02awayandtrying to get phpmyadmin 3.2.3-1 to work, trying to use the setup script http://localhost/phpmyadmin/setup, but it tells me it cannot write the config, even though I have created a config folder in /etc/webapps/phpmyadmin which is world writable according to the docu. Anyone have an idea how I can check where exactly phpmyadmin is expecting this config folder? I assume it's not looking in /etc/webapps/phpmyadmin for it....
14:54.15PlItSwhat is the package for dh_make ?
14:54.34asmdroidFreenode'karme, got somewhere with this
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14:57.44BCM43how do I get xterm to accept the meta key?
14:58.51BCM43never mind.
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15:07.02Jyggaaawayand nothing in /etc/ should be world writeable really
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15:08.27PlItSdpkg java
15:08.27dpkg[java] a cross-platform C++-like OO language.  Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>.  There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only).  Ask me about <install java>.  See also <java alternatives>.  http://wiki.debian.org/Java  ##java on irc.freenode.net.
15:08.51PlItSdpkg install java
15:08.51dpkgFor the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>).  For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations.  The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre.  See also <java alternatives>.  Etch users: ask me about <install java etch>.
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15:30.20bintutkindly check http://www.pastie.org/709983 . it is my squid 3.0 configuration file and have it running for a day. i noticed that whenever i visit flash enabled sites, they are so slow. any way to make this faster? my hardware specs of my home gateway/proxy box: intel d945gclf2, intel atom processor, 1gb ram, 80gb ide 7200rpm hdd.
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15:37.28SparFuxHi all. I have changed my system to utf8 now. There is the utf8migrationtool, but I think it does everything automatically and I don't trust that. Is there a tutorial to manually find old encoded filenames and file contents and convert it by hand? E.g. I'd use recode l1..utf8 for that.
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15:38.46rgrWhy dont you trust it out of curiosity? It woul be next to useless if it did not do what it says.
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15:41.17SparFuxrgr: well, I have a better feeling when in control of what files will be changed. And only rely on good old well known unix tools.
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15:42.11themillSparFux: does it have a "--no-act" or similar where it will tell you what it's going to do>
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15:42.50rgrso well known you need a tutorial ? :-) Good luck : I stay away from "find" whenever possible because I can never, ever remember the syntax :-) That or try a verbose option on the migration tool and have a look at the output - might make you feel more confident.
15:44.01chomwitt_i 've run update-grub2 in my lenny system but it didnt found my ubuntu installation in mu second sata hdd
15:44.28SparFuxthemill: manuals don't tell anything about --no-act
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15:44.46themillSparFux: yeah, just looking at that incredibly useful man page right now.
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15:45.10themillSparFux: It sounds like it's a clicky wizard things... it might perhaps tell you what it's planning to do as you go
15:46.55SparFuxYes, that's irritating, utf8migrationtool should be run from desktop. I don't have a desktop.
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15:48.11themillSparFux: the list of authors tell you why the tool is how it is.... I'd be surprised if the .desktop file actually did anything other than just run it, but I would presume it needs X to work
15:48.43rgrthat program does tell you what it will change btw. It's a gui.
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15:49.30themillrgr: you know for a fact that it will let you preview what it's going to do?
15:49.51rgrwell it did when I tried it ages ago.
15:50.03rgrand it is in the debian repos :-)
15:50.16karmergr: thats a contradiction isn't it ;-) def: gui: you never know whats happening
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15:50.39themillrgr: umm... I've never known that it was a requirement for entry into debian to give a preview of what it's going to do...
15:50.41rgrnot really. GUI is merely a front end.... although I know you were joking.
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15:51.02rgrI never said that was the reason. I meant it is obviously considered a working program.-
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15:51.15themillrgr: You might like file a wishlist bug on that man page then to have some more useful details (like that!) included.
15:51.30rgrthe man page is pretty poor :)
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15:53.25aeg!tell segfault
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15:54.56aegHey folks i had big trouble with apache childs sig faulting .. turned out be bad memory .. pls put that in (tell)
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15:56.13dmi3onhow to select all text in nano ?
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15:57.40aegis there a way (or how do they call that) to have two bind's running  with one for the inside ?
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15:58.00SunnyNarula18dmi3on:why use nano
15:58.16aegdmi3on: learn vi
15:58.27nvzSunnyNarula18: why ask why?
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15:58.29nvzlol
15:59.23SunnyNarula18nvz: the point is nano imho is not good enough to be used for exttensive text editing
15:59.24dmi3onOK :)
15:59.40nvzSunnyNarula18: duh
15:59.57nvzSunnyNarula18: that goes without saying to anyone smart enough to understand it
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16:00.15dmi3onhow can i select all text in window
16:00.16dmi3on?
16:00.20dmi3onin vi ;)
16:00.29abrotmanin X?
16:00.30aeg:y
16:00.34aeg:%y
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16:01.26aegand p will put it where you cursor is
16:01.35aegy stands for yank
16:01.37dmi3onyes
16:01.49aeg% is all lines
16:02.22aeg: will set you in the (ex) command mode
16:02.45aegvi is so beautyfull
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16:08.17dmi3onaeg, i have problem selecting all text :(
16:08.43\amethystdmi3on:  what do you mean by "select" ?
16:08.54aegdmi3on: first press :
16:09.08aegthen there type %y and enter
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16:09.29aegwith the : you will go to the bottum of lthe screen
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16:10.07aegin vi there are 3 mode you can be in
16:10.31aegcommand, edit and ex mode
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16:11.25hulloI restarted my machine and grub no longer finds my drive
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16:11.41dmi3onaeg, thanks
16:12.29aegdmi3on: it a bit of a learning curve but if you master it you will be a power user
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16:12.58mtlhow can I see what packages are in lenny-backports repositorty?
16:13.33rgrhullo: was that a ubuntu upgrade on a dual boot machine?
16:13.48dmi3onaeg, ok thanks i am reading now about vi
16:14.06hullorgr no multi boot
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16:14.10dmi3onaeg, i just installed debian to hp 2133 and have problem with resolution
16:14.18hullomultiple drives though
16:14.30rgrso wha upgrade changed your grub?
16:14.35dmi3onaeg, screen size is 100% larger then it shoudld be
16:14.38SparFuxRe all. I have found convmv which will only list which files it will rename. Only when supplying --no-test iit will actually rename files :-)
16:14.45ranixmtl: you don't need to know what packages are in backports
16:14.56dmi3onaeg, can you help me editing xorg ?
16:15.00ranixmtl: you only need to know *if the package you want* is in backports
16:15.10rgrHow silly.
16:15.13ranixmtl: you should not be backporting unless you specifically need a certain version
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16:15.55rgrdmi3on: do not edit xorg.conf with an editor you are not familair with. Use something wasy like gedit.
16:15.56ranixmtl: but if you have bpo in your sources.list you can apt-cache search for your package. Also, you can ask judd about versions
16:16.03dmi3on\amethyst, i just what to bastpin my xorg
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16:16.23dmi3onrgr, ok but i have no idea what to edit there :(
16:16.41themillmtl: you might want to "/msg dpkg backport caveat" to understand why a complete list of backports is not something you should want. Having said that, "aptitude search ~Vbpo" and "aptitude search ~Vbpo~i" might be of interest.
16:16.45\amethystdmi3on:  one option is to use a command-line pastebin client; another is to use a version of vim with GUI support and copy to the clipboard
16:17.00rgrIf you want to pastebin it then simply "gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" and copy the stuff to the clipboard and then paste in from your browser. Do not use "sudo" unless you intend to *edit* it.
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16:17.04bugjara recent reboot took care of my problem (by way of power outage), but I run all my machines through apt-proxy--it seemed that they were all blocked by something else being run on the same port.  in the future, how can i check?  `lsof -i`, i *thought* was correct, but seemed to list only one thing that used that port.
16:17.18uwjesddmi3on: Nah, you are wrong. The screen size can not change on a laptop. Only on a desktop when you change screens.
16:17.47dmi3on\amethyst, ok
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16:18.12rgruwjesd: what do you mean you cant change screen size on a laptop? You mean resolutions? In which case you can.
16:18.16\amethystdmi3on:  for the latter, try   :%y+    (just like aeg said, but with a plus sign before you press enter)
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16:18.30\amethystdmi3on:  if it works, you should be able to paste into iceweasel etc
16:18.38dmi3onuwjesd, do you know how i can fix it ? http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/HP2133
16:18.48dmi3onhere is link but xorg is way deffernt
16:19.13dmi3onthen mian if i copy and past it i will have to reinstall debian
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16:20.21dmi3on\amethyst, first i what to fix resolution
16:20.24\amethystdmi3on:  you can install the 'pastebinit' package, then do   :w !pastebinit
16:20.42\amethystdmi3on:    or run    pastebinit < file   from the command line
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16:20.52\amethystdmi3on:  it will tell you the URL it pasted the file to
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16:21.46uwjesdrgr: Yes, you can change resolution on a laptop. But screen size will be pretty hard to do.
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16:22.16ranixtheoretically, it can be done
16:22.20dmi3on\amethyst, i will just use gedit
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16:22.32rgruwjesd: of course.
16:22.44dmi3oni dont understand why i have problem with desktop size "
16:22.59dmi3onwhat is parameters for desktop size were are they
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16:23.06rgruwjesd: but clearly he is not talking about changing his physical scree. That would be pretty dumb.
16:23.10ranixin xorg.conf last I checked dmi3on
16:23.12uwjesddmi3on: What again was your problem besides mixing up screen size and resolution?
16:23.16rgrHe is talking about xorg.conf and resolution.
16:23.28dmi3onX desktop is 100% larger then screen
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16:23.42dmi3ononly screen size
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16:23.48rgrdmi3on: you mean you see only half your dekstop?
16:23.53dmi3onyes
16:24.00ranixwhat does this mean
16:24.06rgrdid you set up dual screen ever at all?
16:24.17MarkGiHi, getting a dpkg "unrecoverable fatal error" when trying to install transmission-daemon.  http://tiny.cc/O5zdx
16:24.19ranixcan you take a screenshot and post it on imagebin
16:24.21uwjesddmi3on: gnome-display-properties
16:24.24dmi3onrgr, no
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16:25.05rgrdmi3on: that link is your xorg.conf?
16:25.16uwjesddmi3on: And try dpkg-reconfigure xorg.
16:25.26dmi3onuwjesd, its empty
16:25.33uwjesddmi3on: Plus, there is a channel for xorg.
16:25.49dmi3onrgr, no i will pastebin my xorg in min
16:25.55uwjesddmi3on: What does  dpkg-reconfigure xorg  bring up?
16:26.01dmi3onuwjesd, ok thanks
16:26.08mmpHello; anyone here using debian stable with MIT kerberos (and LDAP backend to store data) ? kadmind/kadmin.local don't seem to work after I configured ldap; I'm getting just 'Invalid argument' error, without proper explanation
16:26.10dmi3onuwjesd, will try it now
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16:26.45MarkGiseems deleting /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride  might fix it, but will it cause me a whole new world of hurt?
16:27.00aegis there a way to do a memory test in debian or will i need a special tool for that ?
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16:27.14Caelumaeg: I think there's a memtest86 package
16:27.45Caelumaeg: but you boot it, it installs in grub
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16:28.02themillMarkGi: you'd be better off either recreating that user or reinstalling all those packages so that the user is created by the install scripts.
16:28.12aegyhx Caelum
16:28.14aegthx
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16:30.47dmi3onrgr, my xorg: http://pastebin.com/m53f4c262
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16:30.53MarkGiseems deleting all the entries in  /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride relating to the package that failed, and then reinstalling the package fixed things.  Don't quite understand what the problem was thou...
16:32.18dmi3onuwhesd, reconfigure xorg creat backup everything else is same
16:32.28dmi3onuwjesd, reconfigure xorg creat backup everything else is same
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16:34.48rgrwhat video card out of curiosity? Also, check your bios : might sound crazy but make sure external monitor is off.
16:35.01at0mhi, xfs_check is taking over 12hrs now... tried ^C, but it doesnt react.  nor does it use CPU cycles.  close to a forced reboot, or does anyone have another suggestion?
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16:35.39rgrat0m: just hit C-c . pretty sure thats controlled. Or would be surprised if it isn't,
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16:36.00dmi3onrgr, i guess its openchrome i check via and openchrome are installed
16:36.08at0mrgr: pressed Control-C 4hrs ago, still running
16:36.32rgrdmi3on: openchrome?? Good luck :-)
16:37.00at0mrgr: and kill -9 isnt all that gracefull eh
16:37.37wildc4rdevening all
16:37.48rgrno its not. I wouldnt do that. Having said that the chances of a problem are small. FWIW, I got caught recently with one of these annoying boot frequency rechecks and it took about an hour.
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16:38.47at0myea i was prepared for an hour.  but now it's just taking way too long.  plus, we dont have TV while a fsck is running on that disk eh
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16:39.12dmi3onrgr, heh
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16:42.47dmi3onany one cna help me with openchrom please
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16:47.18Jorophoseok, so I tried using unetbootin and debian CD1, but it throws me into a weird menu, and then tells me it can't find the CD. how do I get this working??
16:48.46themillMarkGi: mixing different versions of the packages from lenny and squeeze/sid is the most common cause of that sort of problem.
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16:50.22amitzhow to find my current MRU and MTU? debian lenny.
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16:52.09tomodachiamitz: mtu you can see with ifconfig -a
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16:52.53amitztomodachi: thanks, didn't realize..
16:53.00tomodachinp
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16:53.23dmi3onany one cna help me with openchrom drive my desktop is larger then screen
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16:53.25dmi3onthanks
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16:54.25amitzdmi3on: lenny?
16:54.38dmi3onyes
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16:55.40amitzunichrome? page me 10 more hours, I can share you a working xorg.conf . Auto discover setting of xorg doesn't work.
16:56.08dmi3onamitz, didnt try unichrome
16:56.26dmi3onamtiz, i have hp 2133
16:56.34dmi3oni am new to linux
16:56.35dmi3on:)
16:56.36amitzdmi3on: oh, I thought it's the same. Never mind then.
16:56.41amitz:-)
16:57.08amitzyou might need to configure xorg.conf manually.
16:57.49dmi3onamitz, i can find any links how to do it :(
16:58.17amitzdmi3on: google for "debian etch" instead.
16:58.32dmi3onamitz, aptitude cna find any packeges with unichrome
16:59.01dmi3onyou mean i should reinstall debian ?
16:59.37amitzdmi3on: first you have to make sure what driver you should use? will unichrome work? I mean, use the instruction from debian etch and applies it to your lenny.
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17:00.14dmi3onamitz, right know openchrome driver is installed
17:00.32dmi3onamitz, i cant find unichrome driver
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17:01.55amitzI might recalled the name incorrectly. Page me on the next 10 hours, I'll have access to the box having that driver :-).
17:02.17amitzif you still couldn't solved it by that time.
17:02.24dmi3onok thanks
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17:05.14wathekhello all
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17:06.01wathekI got a problem how can I get once again the blue configure screen of a package installed using aptitude ?
17:06.03dmi3ondebian sucks with hp 2133
17:06.37wathekI tried to do aptitude purge mypackage and then aptitude instal mypackage but I cannot have the configure screen
17:06.39void_pointerdmi3on please don't say that
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17:07.32dmi3onvoid_pointer, why not i isntall ubuntu first what easy to fix screen size, with debian no success so far
17:07.42dmi3onwas*
17:08.25nvzcould anyone advise on how to get any sounds attempted to play on one debian box to play on another? NAS is installed, but it seems its not designed on the client side to simply connect to a device node or such, apps have to actually be aware of it to use it, and thats not gonna work here
17:08.25dmi3onvoid_pointer, do you know how to edit xorg for openchrome ?
17:08.39StevenBinionanyone here know of any subscribtion free, opensource alternatives to skype?
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17:08.45void_pointerdmi3on I'm afraid you've hurt my feelings so I cannot help you
17:09.28nvzStevenBinion: for what? calling landlines, voice chat, im?
17:09.29dmi3onvoid_pointer i didnt say that debian suxks in general i said only it bad on hp 2133
17:09.43dmi3oni use debian as servers for more then year
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17:10.34dmi3onvoid_poiter please help me i will scream for hours that debian is best OS
17:10.40dmi3on:)
17:11.07dmi3oni know its not very complicated to edit xorg (i hope is not)
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17:11.43StevenBinionnvz: for voip to land lines yes. anything else on skype is free.
17:12.02blubberdiblubwathek, try: dpkg-reconfigure packagename
17:12.11wathekok
17:12.49nvzStevenBinion: then no, people arent exactly making their telephone networks free to use, so the apps that call through them arent either
17:13.14StevenBinionthanks, just thought I'd ask.
17:13.30nvzStevenBinion: for that to work people have to implement measures to pay for it like ads and whatnot which in turn they cant make free and open source software cause then you'd just modify that stuff out
17:14.22blubberdiblubnvz: you could try pulseaudio and configure alsa so that it plays through pulse by default
17:14.41StevenBinionknow of any ad supported alternatives then as you meantioned? non-opensource.
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17:15.13dmi3onany one can help me with xorg on hp 2133 have desktop size twice larger then screen size
17:15.29StevenBinionhmmm
17:16.10cahootdmi3on: define DisplaySize in xorg.conf?
17:16.12StevenBiniondmi3on try this in shell "dpkg-reconfigure -highp xorg-server
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17:16.47dmi3oncahoot, i understand i need to define display size but dont know how :(
17:17.00dmi3onStevenBinion, nothing happens
17:17.08SunnyNarula18dmi3on:under Section "Screen"
17:17.13StevenBinionafter you do that
17:17.14dmi3onStevenBinion, tryed many times just creats backup file
17:17.33nvzblubberdiblub: I was aimlessly looking through my package manager for some such thing.. figured a sound daemon or something that supports nas might help.. but then again if my app in question supported those, it would probably work with nas anyhow..
17:17.37StevenBinionhave to restart X with "/etc/init.d/gdm restart
17:18.15dmi3onStevenBinion, i restart debian when did it
17:18.20StevenBinionahh
17:18.22StevenBinionhmm
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17:18.33dmi3onSunnyNarula18, what next ?
17:18.34blubberdiblubnvz: pulseaudio is a sound server. it's not nas, tho. it's a different system
17:18.41cahootdmi3on: X -configure
17:18.52dmi3onhere is my xorg : http://pastebin.com/m53f4c262
17:19.15SunnyNarula18dmi3on:you dont have SubSection "Display" under it
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17:19.39blubberdiblubnvz: the idea lies in alsa's plugin system. alsa can easily made to output sound to any audio sink you like, provided you have to plugin. so your app would just need to be able to play through alsa
17:20.07dmi3onSunnyNarula18, its all my xorg nothing else
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17:20.34blubberdiblubnvz: maybe there's also a nas plugin for alsa, then using that would be possible, too
17:20.43SunnyNarula18this is from my xorg
17:20.45SunnyNarula18SubSection "Display"
17:20.45SunnyNarula18<PROTECTED>
17:20.45SunnyNarula18<PROTECTED>
17:20.45SunnyNarula18<PROTECTED>
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17:22.03dmi3oncahoot, X -configure, returns fatal server error: serrver is alredy active ....
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17:23.05SunnyNarula18http://pastebin.com/m20a12c6d
17:23.11SunnyNarula18from my xorg
17:23.43xxtjaxxHi I want to setup my printer over network with ipp and cups its currently running on the iprange 10.30.145.0/24 where it has teh ip number 95  and now I used to have  this ethernet extension into this iprange but i cant remember anyy help?
17:23.47jetscreamer8?
17:23.56jetscreamer8bit?
17:23.57SunnyNarula18dmi3on:you need something like that to set the resolution...i dont know how but google it out
17:24.00jetscreamerwheee
17:25.01dmi3onSunnyNarula18, i think this should work, i couldnt find anything in google :(
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17:25.41amfIs there a way to see the order I've installed packages? I want to see the last two packages I installed
17:25.41SunnyNarula18in my xorg there are many such subsections with different depths
17:25.57harkdmi3on: if you already have X running, do something like X :1 -configure. otherwise the error is quite clear
17:26.22harkamf: check /var/log/dpkg.log or if you used aptitude, /var/log/aptitude
17:26.26themillamf: /var/log/aptitude (or /var/log/dpkg.log)
17:27.21dmi3onhark, screen flashed same screen size
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17:28.34harkdmi3on: the point of this is to get an xorg.conf. i'm not sure what you meant by that
17:29.02yanchoanyone can help me get this debian box ssh authenticated to an ubuntu one please? http://pastebin.ca/1682420 (the other way round works fine!)
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17:29.50Diilbertyancho:  Your link does not work
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17:30.03dmi3onhark, i have problem with screen size its twise larger then dekstop size
17:30.16yanchoDiilbert,  sorry it expired: http://pastebin.ca/1682502
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17:32.31harkdmi3on: pastebin your xrandr -q output. i'm not sure i understand
17:33.28dmi3onSunnyNarula18, i edit it same thing
17:33.33dmi3onhark, doing it now
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17:34.56themillyancho: chances are that the permissions on ~/.ssh or the files within that directory are wrong at one end or the other.
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17:35.54jandro_Can someone explain me why is the reason I see the accented characters as a diamond/rhombus symbol in the console, regardless I have my environment set to LANG=en_GB.UTF-8? what am I missing here? thanks
17:36.35yanchothemill,  drwx------  2 yancho www-data  4096 2009-11-22 17:29 .ssh ON DEBIAN ||  drwx------  2 yancho yancho     4096 2009-11-22 17:29 .ssh on UBUNTU
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17:36.50dmi3onhark, xrandr -q output returns: usage: ....., problem is in desktop size resolution is OK but desktop size is twice larger then my screen i have hp 2133
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17:37.14blubberdiblubjandro_, that means the font doesn't include the glyphs for the characters. try a different console font
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17:37.49harkdmi3on: how about just xrandr?
17:38.01themillyancho: and all the files within? (I presume you have copied the public key over to the .authorized_keys file on the remote machine already)
17:38.27themillI won't ask why ~/.ssh has a group of www-data.
17:38.30yanchonot to the .authorized but to authorized themill
17:38.41themillerr, yeah
17:38.42yanchono idea why .. it got like that :S
17:38.43jandro_blubberdiblub: thanks
17:38.56harkdmi3on: pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log then if you can't get xrandr. which version of debian?
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17:39.34yanchoto what should i assign the group themill?
17:39.39blubberdiblubjandro_, there are one or two packages around that include additional console fonts, if the standard ones don't satisfy you
17:39.43dmi3onhark, nice i see problem there
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17:40.18xxtjaxx_http://pastebin.com/m509d88c6 why/what is that?
17:40.26dmi3onhark, pastbin.com/m25b096c9
17:41.09dmi3oni dont know how to change it i tryed subseciton display didnt worked
17:41.09dmi3on:(
17:42.01xxtjaxx_hey dmi3on whats the prob?
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17:42.53dmi3onxxtjaxx_, desktop is larger then screen
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17:43.10xxtjaxx_dmi3on: DE?
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17:43.37harkdamn domain parkers
17:43.41dmi3onxxtjaxx_, current screen size i have 1920x1200 and my resolution is 1280x768
17:44.03xxtjaxx_dmi3on: what Desktop environment?
17:44.04SunnyNarula18dmi3on:http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/8201-editing-basics-for-the-xorgconf-file
17:44.09dmi3oni dont know how to change screen to 1280x768
17:44.28SunnyNarula18dmi3on:the link might help
17:44.29xxtjaxx_dmi3on: if you have KDE
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17:44.35blubberdiblubjandro_, oh, and another thing to check for might be, if unicode mode is actually enabled for the virtual consoles. unicode_start and unicode_stop from package console-tools may help
17:44.36dmi3onhttp://pastebin.com/m20a12c6d tryed to add this with my size didnt worked :(
17:44.53therobotI am looking for a way to detect what frontends I have available for dpkg-reconfigure, any clues?
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17:45.07xxtjaxx_dmi3on: oi! dont fiddle with your xorg baaad idea
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17:45.17dmi3onfoot is KDE or gnome ?
17:45.25harkdmi3on: that's it? run xdpyinfo |grep imension and then run xrandr -s 1280x768
17:45.28yanchothemill,  i changed ownership of all the files to yancho:yancho and now i got a different error: http://pastebin.ca/1682513
17:45.29xxtjaxx_dmi3on: its gnome
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17:45.46dmi3onok thanks
17:46.01dmi3onhark, i think this will work
17:46.02xxtjaxx_hark:  why you let him fiddle with the bleeping yorg wtf?
17:46.20xxtjaxx_s/yorg/xorg
17:46.42themillyancho: weren't you going to show us the permissions of all the files in ~/.ssh on both machines?
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17:47.02harkxxtjaxx_: i didn't
17:47.12yanchothemill,  changing to 0700 broke also the ubuntu to debian ssh now .. which was working fine before :S
17:47.15harkwhatever that means
17:47.19jetscreamergnome is the foot
17:47.32jetscreameroh nvm what he said
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17:48.14harkafk
17:48.40yanchothemill,  should i remove all the settings / files and restart over .. one box at a time?
17:49.31themillyancho: can you pastebin the output of "ls -ld ~ ~/.ssh ~/.ssh/*" from each machine?
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17:51.01dmi3onhark, xpdyinfo |grep imension, returns dimensions: 1920x1200 pixels (580x328 milimiters)
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17:51.15jandro_blubberdiblub: thanks, now these characters are displayed correctly
17:51.18yanchothemill,  http://pastebin.ca/1682518
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17:51.46jetscreamerdisplaysize 580 328 or so isn't it
17:51.57dmi3onhark, when i run xrnadr -s 1280x768 returs Size 1280x768 not found in available modes
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17:52.32blubberdiblubjandro_, you're welcome
17:53.05jetscreamerhttp://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12  dmi3on
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17:53.41jetscreamerxrandr --addmode
17:54.04dmi3onwill try now thanks
17:54.05dmi3on:)
17:54.09themillyancho: the permissions listed under "ubuntu" look quite sane. The ones under debian are not.
17:54.51amitzdmi3on: bbut xrandr --newmode first if you decide to  follow that path.
17:55.18amitzdmi3on: if --addmode fails.
17:55.39dmi3onok
17:55.42dmi3ontrying it now
17:56.25yanchothemill,  should i change to 644 in debian ?
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17:57.03themillyancho: 644 for what? The different files and directories each need different permissions.
17:57.30yanchook then i copy permissions accordingly?
17:57.36themillyes
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17:58.41amitzheh, wiki.debian.org can be really good :-)
17:58.55dmi3oni am lost with addmode
17:58.57dmi3on:(
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17:59.10dmi3onits asking for name also
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17:59.30dmi3onxrandr -addmode 1280x768 MyMode
17:59.36dmi3ondoesnt work
17:59.55roelooking at the man page for dpkg, I don't see a mapping for the first column of -l output and what they mean.
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18:00.39amitzdmi3on: it's more like xrandr --addmode <an interface available from xrandr> <a modeline>
18:00.45themillroe: look at the first 3 lines of the output and the section "PACKAGE STATES" on the man page
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18:01.46amitzdmi3on: if you run xrandr without parameterrs, you can see the list of interface.
18:02.07roethemill, right, (not-installed, config-files, half-installed, unpacked, half-configured), not sure which 'ri' means
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18:02.41dmi3onin help is like this --addmode <output> <name>
18:02.52dmi3onhark, can you help me please
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18:02.54themillroe: Desire == Remove ; Status == installed. Errors == none.
18:02.57amitzdmi3on: in the form of bla disconnected or bla connected.
18:03.16dmi3onamitz, bla ?
18:03.23themillroe: i.e. you need to look at the first 3 lines of the dpkg -l output.
18:03.40amitzthe "bla" part is the inteface/output.
18:03.42yanchothemill,  : http://pastebin.ca/1682531
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18:04.12roethemill, ha, I was using dpkg wrongly.  (dpkg -l |grep <packagename> wouldn't not display that helpful heading
18:04.38amitzif it requires name, then you need to create newmode, using --newmode.
18:04.44themillroe: ahh... "dpkg -l packagename" or "dpkg -l \*packagename\*" will work better
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18:05.13dmi3onamitz, in newmode there is like 10 parameters
18:05.15themillyancho: they look much better. Youdon't have an ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file on the debian machine though. Is that intentional?
18:05.35roeyup
18:05.37roethanks for the help
18:05.39yanchothemill,  hmm no .. i need to regenerate it
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18:06.03themillyancho: ssh-copy-id will do that for you. Run it from the machine that has the private hey.
18:06.05themillroe: np
18:06.30dmi3onamitz, i am lost
18:06.33amitzdmi3on: perhaps use the recommended gtf/cvt utility.
18:06.34hugohey, how would I go about restoring the lilo.conf created by the installer? I deleted the file some days ago but now I'm back to trying to boot xen with lilo and could use the original.. anyone knows how the installer generates it?
18:06.50dmi3ongtf/cvt ?
18:07.23amitzdmi3on: which you can see if you read the link someone gave carefully ;-)
18:07.43dmi3onoh i missed link sorry
18:07.49dmi3oncan you repostit please
18:07.51dmi3onthanks
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18:08.30amitzhttp://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
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18:09.20yanchothemill,  both are not working again .. should i remove everything and start from fresh .. i think down the line i screwed up big time
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18:09.36amitzdmi3on: I have to go, I believe the resource is enough for you to figure out ;-)
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18:10.41themillyancho: if these ssh keys aren't widely distributed already, then sure. Kill off ~/.ssh and regenerate everything. Use ssh-copy-id to copy the keys around and this time, you'd probably be better off with RSA keys instead of DSA keys.
18:11.12yanchook .. no these keys are between themselves in the lan .. i will kill everything :)
18:11.29yanchothemill can i confirm each step with u before please? not to rescrew?
18:11.51themillyancho: I've got to run off and think about dinner, but others will help.
18:11.52rgrthemill: is there a big difference between using rsa and dsa?
18:12.03yanchothanks alot themill :)
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18:14.57tkalveI am trying to reinstall libapache2-mod-wsgi .. But it doesn't get reinstalled when I do that. The files in /etc/apache2/mods-available are not created. Any ideas?
18:14.58rgrIt's just I was under the impression that rsa was less secure but could well be wrong.
18:15.00yanchothemill,  should i copy the id_rsa_ubuntu or id_rsa_ubuntu.pub please?
18:15.44rgryancho: always the public key. Consider using ssh-copy-id too.
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18:15.55yanchoyep i will rgr  thanks :)
18:16.45rgron the other end than you can (not using ssh-copy-id) "cat newkey.pub >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys"
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18:17.26tkalvewhen trying to purge libapache2-mod-wsgi, it wants to purge apache2 also.. How can I prevent this?
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18:17.51rgrkeys are great. The only thing I would suggest is keeping them password protected when they are on any machines outside of your home/office/comfort zone or people will get free access to your important machines if they compromise one of the external ones.
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18:18.42eshatis there a good KDE FTP Client alternative to filezilla  with similar functions ?
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18:19.32dmi3onwhy they write so complicated http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 from here how should i change screen 0 resolution i cant figure out
18:19.38dmi3oncan any one help me please
18:19.40TrueDDHowdy
18:20.10rgrdmi3on: why not drop the open driver and see if that works?
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18:20.49dmi3onrgr, what open driver openchrome is installed
18:21.19rgrI mean remove the open driver and use the proper one. At least then you will know if its a driver or config issue.
18:21.32rgrs/proper/closed
18:22.21rgrdmi3on: that link was not for your driver.
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18:23.11dmi3onrgr, i am so close to changing screen size
18:23.16yanchorgr,  i did ssh-keygen .. then i did ssh-copy-id and authorization_keys got created .. but from the remote machine (debian) i cannot connect using the key .. it just asks for password .. should i still use the scp to move the .pub ?
18:23.38dmi3onit should not be complictae just people who know how to do it are busy or just ... :)
18:24.09dmi3onrgr, what other drive i can use insted of what is installed i dont know
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18:25.16rgrwhat is your video card????
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18:25.25dmi3onvia
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18:26.18rgrdid you try to set the resolution in your xorg.conf??
18:26.19boltargh! what the heck does "mount.nfs4: Operation not permitted" mean? i set up my export with * as the host, and I can mount it locally, but when I try from somewhere else, I get that stupid non-descriptive message and nothing else
18:26.21dmi3onvia chrome 9 i think
18:26.31dmi3onrgr, yes i did same thing
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18:27.00dmi3oni guess i didnt do it right
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18:27.27rgrI dont know what utilities exist for via. Sorry.
18:27.37rgrIn your xorg.conf in your scree section you need something like:
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18:28.03rgrI would assume. Thats whats there for my nvidia card.
18:28.03dmi3onwhen i type xrandr, current is 1920x1200 shourl be 1280x768
18:28.18dmi3onok will try to do it
18:28.19rgrxrandr can be used to change metamodes.
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18:31.20|FrederikDoes anybody know the default CFLAGS used for Debian's i586 and/or amd64 packages?
18:31.26greg__I can't seem to import an adblock list into iceweasel, any suggestions?
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18:32.26greg__and adblock plus says it's not compatible with iceweasel 3.0.6
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18:34.35dmi3onrgr, THANKS!!!
18:35.10dmi3onnow everything is working i had before first mode then depth thats why it didnt worked first time
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18:38.18greg__I'm running debian lenny
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18:40.43nkuttlergreg__: i just install firefox
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18:40.57wambier_brhi all, i need to append five users to group `x` but i dont know what sintax is used to this
18:41.28nkuttlerwambier_br: man adduser
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18:41.36cheakoallisterb_: I just saved by switching to geico.
18:41.44wambier_brthnks
18:42.04cheakowow... autocomplete, I was not expecting that.
18:42.08cheakoall> I just saved by switching to geico.
18:42.55rgrdmi3on: should not matter I think. Or should not.
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18:43.19dmi3oni didnt change anything else
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18:44.21greg__nkuttler: trying to avoid that, but I may resort to it. I'm going to try manually installing the adblock extension
18:44.55greg__I'm sure soooo much has changed in the newer versions of adblock that it wont' work with iceweasel...
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18:45.18rgrdmi3on: there must be some gui tool to change your screen res for the vai chipset.
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18:46.13dmi3onits fixed, now only wireless netwrok is left to fix
18:46.40dmi3oni think i just need driver from hardware
18:46.47dmi3onand it will work also
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18:48.48dmi3onhow do i istnall flesh to play porn ?
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18:48.52dmi3on:)
18:49.01void_pointeryou disgust me
18:49.23greg__lol
18:49.30dmi3onxaxa
18:49.32dmi3on:)
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18:55.34ward-where can i get a debian-mips image to chroot into please?
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19:04.45dmi3oncan some one help me please i cant run youtube browser crashes
19:04.51dmi3oni have hp 2133
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19:05.56Pnuxdmi3on: which brand is your keyboard?
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19:06.54dmi3onhttp://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/HP/HP2133
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19:07.10dmi3onPnux, CPU goes to 100%
19:07.16dmi3onwhen i run youtube
19:07.16dmi3on;(
19:07.34simonrvnum, flash does that anyway
19:07.40jpinx-eeepcdmi3on: what RAM and cpu do you have?
19:07.46dmi3oni was able to run youtube on Treo 650 phone and cant on notebook
19:07.54simonrvnflash is very cpu intensive
19:08.08jpinx-eeepcflashes @ simonrvn
19:08.11dmi3on2GB ram via C7-M 1.2Ghz CPU
19:08.35jpinx-eeepcdmi3on: 1.2 is going to struggle with flash
19:08.48Pnuxand guess what.. flash will win
19:08.56jpinx-eeepcas usual :(
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19:09.08dmi3onits not just frezess
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19:09.17Jorophoseok so I thought I had installed debian properly, but it just booted into windows...
19:09.25Pnuxflash and IE are the real malware..
19:09.27Jorophosemight it have just not installed GRUB properly?
19:09.28dmi3onwhy people are able to wacht youtube on xp or vista and i cant on debian
19:10.03PnuxJorophose: thats most likely the problem
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19:11.01mike9494netinstall i can shake with wireless right?
19:11.18JorophosePnux: how can I install it properly? and how can I view ext3 filesystems under windows?
19:11.28mike9494tried it... but it fails to connect to my mirror ... ctrl+alt+f2 / f12 gives busybox? .. so no ifconfig
19:11.46Pnuxmike9494: netinstall is just a lighter installer that downloads the packages needed from the internet
19:11.50simonrvnPnux: agreed, they both suck in so many ways, when there's much much better alternatives.
19:11.58bravvvehi,when traing to making my hp 1018 printer worging i'd installed some packages,when finished i got some error  that some services cant be configuredand i get to reboot to fix this,i'd rebooted the system,i'd got error about udev :disable CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRACATED or update kernel,how can i fix that
19:12.58PnuxJorophose: i tried to view ext3 on windowns and failed.. its not something i really want as i use windowns as a game console.. most of the apps i tried opened ext? on read-only mode
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19:13.29dmi3onjpinx-eeepc so it means i cant watch any youtube videos
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19:13.46dmi3onor any other flash videos
19:13.54simonrvnbravvve: your kernel is too old, use a newer one
19:14.00Pnuxsimonrvn: i have yet to find a flash alternative i could use on debian.. i tried gnash (i think) but couldnt because i have little OpenGL support
19:14.26simonrvnPnux: i was thinking of lighter alternatives
19:14.28mike9494Pnux: i know
19:14.33bravvvesimonrvn:is lenny 5.O old one?
19:14.41mike9494..but it doesnt answer my questions..
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19:14.48_SKiTZObooting of iSCSI with Debian Lenny was harder than expected. After putting together  a custom initrd script i get the boot going, but as soon as the iscsi daemon starts the connection is lost. any hints as how to avoid that?
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19:14.56simonrvnbravvve: uname -r - what's that say?
19:15.01JorophosePnux: I just wanted to see if it installed properly. Can I damage the filesystem by having tried to open it from windows?
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19:15.17Jorophoseand how would I reinstall grub, or can I use ntldr to load linux?
19:15.37bravvvesimonrvn:i dont know i will try it and brb
19:15.50dmi3oni can say one thing debian and xp run same way when it comes to CPU usege
19:15.56PnuxJorophose: use the installer to reinstall grub.. you could also use a live version of any Linux distro to see if you installed it properly
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19:15.58simonrvndoubts is said "DEPRACATED" but "DEPRECATED" ;)
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19:16.15simonrvnit
19:16.26bravvvesimonrvn:ok
19:16.39simonrvnbravvve: so what's it say?
19:16.43simonrvnwah
19:16.51Pnuxvotes for DEPRECATED
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19:17.07simonrvnhe managed to confuse me
19:17.07_SKiTZOdepreciated
19:17.08_SKiTZO:P
19:17.24Pnuxsimonrvn: you know any light flash-like app?
19:17.52simonrvnjs + html + svg ;P
19:18.08_SKiTZOhaha
19:18.20_SKiTZOcreating a flash replacement is non trivial
19:18.29simonrvnyeh
19:18.36Pnuxoh well.. not all browsers have built in svg support.. i rather see ie dying than getting svg support
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19:18.52_SKiTZOhehe
19:19.08sobersabrehi. I'm a bit confused with a VPN {client side} setup via a debian gateway.
19:19.40sobersabreI have a win7 client, and I need to setup an L2TP tunnel. what I was expecting - that it would work. but it doesn't.
19:19.47sobersabreis there anything I need to forward ?
19:20.05sobersabredoes a windows' "VPN client" run some kind of network server ?
19:20.12sobersabreon any constant ports ?
19:20.37mike9494is it possible to configure network during install?
19:20.41mike9494it cant find dhcp
19:20.43simonrvnPnux: luckily it's just via plugin. man, if i had a say that pos would be long gone.
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19:21.06Pnuxsobersabre: id say you will have more luck searching for support on VPN maillinglists/channel/manual/web page than in here
19:21.17simonrvnmike9494: yeh, manually
19:21.50mike9494with ifconfig?
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19:22.01Pnuxmike9494: with the installer
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19:22.13mike9494Pnux: sucks... is never gonna work i feel...
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19:22.31mike9494ok np
19:22.36simonrvnhow about you try it instead of second-guessing yourself
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19:23.03mike9494ok well, :X
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19:23.13jeeves_mosshow can I get the OS to report the size of a driver? I have a 250Gb drive in an external case, and I can't get it to report the proper size.  it's only reporting a 120Gb
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19:23.42sobersabrePnux: thanks. I thought debian people use vpn...
19:23.44_SKiTZOjeeves_moss: think that is a bios problem.
19:23.50Pnuxif i had said "oh man, i will never be able to understand linux, ill stick to WXP" a few years ago, i would probably be dead
19:23.55simonrvn_SKiTZO: mind reader
19:24.01JorophosePnux: what do you recommend I use as a liveCD for this? systemrescueCD?
19:24.01_SKiTZOor perhaps a fs problem if you are using some ancient fs
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19:24.07_SKiTZOsimonrvn: :P
19:24.39_SKiTZOjeeves_moss: i dont know of course. where do you see the sizereport? and how old is your computer?
19:24.49jeeves_moss_SKiTZO, I'm going to try another external case
19:24.51PnuxJorophose: doesnt have to.. i use DSL because its DS and can load it into the RAM.. but any would work (DSL stands for Damn Small Linux)
19:24.52void_pointerPnux dead you think?
19:25.16void_pointerI knew windows code base had some problems, but I didn't know it could kill you :(
19:25.32Pnuxvoid_pointer: dead by a very cool guy..
19:25.44Pnuxnamed Pnux, if you know what i mean
19:25.44JorophosePnux: but some distros don't have a GRUB installer, though. and I don't know if they'll support my card & chipset (HD4850 and AMD 770)
19:26.01void_pointerI don't know what you mean, but I'm going to smile and nod
19:26.05void_pointersmiles and nods
19:26.07jandro_I'd like to add to my console keymap support for letters with caron (small v in the top of certain consonants), but the command dumpkeys only shows support for a limited set of diacritical dead keys. Is there any way to expand the support for that? cheers.
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19:26.17Pnuxvoid_pointer: can i pm?
19:26.23void_pointersure
19:26.48void_pointerno cyber though - I just ate - means I have to wait 1/2 hour
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19:27.30_SKiTZOhehe
19:27.36_SKiTZOhappy cybing
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19:28.16norbert-hi all, question: I have 2 non-locked SD cards in a digital video camera that Debian mounts as two read-only volumes (both when I run /bin/mount and with auto mount); is there a way to force the SD volumes to be read/write or is this an issue with the camera?
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19:29.36mwatyHello , i own dedicated server with debian 5 64 bit , how do i setup few domain on the system ?
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19:29.55_SKiTZOmwaty: what kind of domain?
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19:30.18_SKiTZOlike dns domains?
19:30.22_SKiTZOfor serving several webpages?
19:30.38_SKiTZOquickest way to do that is to enable the apache vhost-alias
19:30.42void_pointerdo it in apache
19:30.43void_pointeryeah
19:30.55_SKiTZOa2enmod vhostalias or something like that
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19:31.07_SKiTZOand then /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
19:31.10Pnuxapache, lighttpd, there are a bunch of webservers to chose
19:31.12void_pointerbut if he's talking non-httpd services it gets a little more complicated :)
19:31.18_SKiTZOye
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19:31.59CybertinusI just installed Snort on Debian Lenny, but it has Snort 2.7. Snort doesn't provide rules anymore for Snort 2.7, only 2.8.4 and up. Is there an easy way to get Snort 2.8.5.1 in Debian?
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19:32.49JorophosePnux: and what about trying to reinstall GRUB? what's the best way to do that?
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19:33.42PnuxJorophose: with the debian installer
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19:34.11JorophoseI might just try this: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/ubuntu/reinstall-ubuntu-grub-bootloader-after-windows-wipes-it-out/
19:34.16Jorophosebut can it be done with the debian installer?
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19:34.35Jorophosehow? I used unetbootin so I think the installer is a bit different.
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19:34.56ward-http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/mips/apds03.html.en
19:35.13ward-here they say to create /etc/fstab but how do i know what the name will be of the filesystem?
19:35.19ward-before i ever booted the system
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19:36.13JorophoseAnd what about "Super GRUB Disk"?
19:36.16Jorophoseanybody try that?
19:36.35PnuxJorophose: that will work.. once the installed loads, press ctrl+alt+F2 and run what they say there.. cept in the part that says "sudo gedit ...." change that for "nano ...."
19:36.50Pnux(press ctrl+alt+F1 to return to the installer)
19:38.04Cybertinusward-: you count your disks. The disk on S-ATA port 1 is /dev/sda, the disk on S-ATA port 2 is /dev/sdb, etc. Then you add partitions to the disks, the first partition is /dev/sdX1, the second partiton is /dev/sdX2, etc. That way you can know what devicename you're disks are gonna get
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19:38.16ward-Cybertinus, this is a router
19:38.18ward-Cybertinus, lol
19:38.43Cybertinusward-: ah, wait. I didn't see you're link :)
19:39.01ward-Cybertinus, but this thing allready runs linux
19:39.08ward-and i have a busybox root shell
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19:39.29ward-so i can check how the linux thats on it mounts it
19:39.41ward-and then hope the chroot does the same
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19:41.24aefhi, how can i enable query logging (temporarily) on postgresql 8.3 on debian lenny?
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19:44.16Bombohm when i got two HDDs sda + sdb and want to boot from sdb1 where do i install grub? grub-install /dev/sda or sdb or both
19:44.18Pnuxaef: you are better off asking in #postgresql
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19:44.51aefPnux: this happened simultaneously
19:45.03JorophosePnux: is the part where I'm editing config files after I reboot? and it did detect the windows partition (although it called it vista... but lenny is old...) so I'm thinking it should be able to dual-boot?
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19:45.35PnuxJorophose: what?
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19:49.26JorophosePnux_away: the second part of the document talks about editing a file to enter in boot entries. would I need to do that?
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19:54.05mike9494ive installed debian on a server using the cdrom-1
19:54.22mike9494but now im trying to get sshd running, i get stuck
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19:54.35mike9494'package ssh is not available'
19:55.00h3xismike9494: try openssh-server
19:55.45dvsBombo: Depends what you have installed in either drive.
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19:56.17anewbiehi folks i have strange issue with those two packets jdk-6u12-docs.zip jdk-6u12-docs-ja.zip
19:56.35anewbiei try to install webaliser but aptitude prompt me that i need those packets
19:56.47anewbiebut in the sun site their no suc things
19:57.00anewbiein the web i found solution with renaming na 6u10 packets
19:57.02mike9494h3xis: that works yeah, are there two ssh-server versions?
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19:57.10anewbiebut i can't found them too
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19:57.24anewbieuname -a  == debian lenny 2.6.26
19:57.50simonrvnuname -a doesn't say that
19:57.55h3xismike9494: not that i know of, why do you ask?
19:58.00PnuxJorophose: you would only have to edit the file if the GRUB doesnt recognize your windowns partition
19:58.24JorophosePnux: and at boot time, if there's no windows entry, it didn't recognise it, correct?
19:58.28anewbiesimonrvn do you need the time information to help me ?
19:58.53mike9494h3xis: i expected install ssh-server to work.. : )
19:58.59PnuxJorophose: yup, if you see the grub menu but dont see windowns listed, you hve to do the second part of that tutorial
19:59.24h3xismike9494: but ssh-server isnt a package
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19:59.41anewbieh3xis, aptitude install openssh-server
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20:00.03rgropenssh-server
20:00.06h3xis...
20:00.42anewbiei am so confused with that java documenation
20:00.45anewbiewhere i can find it
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20:01.57Pnuxanewbie: google, #java
20:02.22\amethystanewbie:  http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp#docs
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20:02.42\amethystanewbie:   next to "Java SE 6 Documentation", click the orange "Download" button
20:02.42rgranewbie: you would not be alone there. There are various debian alternatives. Some of which seem to clash badly.  My default which seems to work is java-6-sun. Assuming you mean debian related issues which I guess you do asking here.
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20:03.15rgrThe weet "sudo update-alternatives --config" can set your default java.
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20:03.22\amethystanewbie:  select English and click I agree... then you can seelct the jdk-6u10-docs.zip and download it
20:03.33simonrvnanewbie: that's not the point. the point is when you present information, to be accurate and complete. if you just want the kernel version, uname -r suffices. as for the debian release, cat /etc/debian_version does it. /msg dpkg version for more examples.
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20:04.27dvsrgr: update-java-alternatives
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20:05.00rgryes you are correct : its been a while. Why is it different btw?
20:05.48\amethystrgr:  because u-j-a updates the links for all the java programs in concert
20:05.48dvsrgr: I think it's because there's several programs related to java.  Having to do them separately would be a pain in the butt.
20:05.54rgrDidnt realise update-altenaitives was limited to single so yes that makes sense. Thanks.
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20:05.56anewbie\amethyst,
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20:06.01anewbiei dont know why i miss that ...
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20:07.08\amethystanewbie:  this only happens if you have installed the sun-java6-doc package, which isn't required by anything
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20:07.32bravvvesimonrvn:here?
20:07.33mike9494i been using the cdrom-1 to install my server, now its placed back into the network (and has inet connection), how do i configure apt-get to use my local repository?
20:07.40\amethystanewbie:  so I'm not sure why installing webalizer would pull in that package
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20:07.46simonrvnbravvve: hi
20:07.52\amethystanewbie:  especially since webalizer doesn't depend on anything java-related at all
20:07.56anewbie\amethyst, is that meen that if i make aptitude purge sun-java6-doc will solve it ?
20:08.00bravvvesimonrvn:u remeber me?
20:08.05anewbie\amethyst, i wondering that too
20:08.18anewbiebut ... aptitude says put this in /tmp as root
20:08.21\amethystanewbie:   aptitude why  sun-java6-doc   will tell you why it is being installed
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20:08.40simonrvnbravvve: my memory isn't always perfect, but it's not *that* bad ;)
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20:08.56anewbie...
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20:09.00anewbienothing usefull i think
20:09.10dvsanewbie: suggests, not recommends or requires
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20:10.01simonrvnbravvve: have you run an update recently? did you see one for your kernel?
20:10.20anewbieyes but i use to solve all sugests etc.
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20:11.45h3xismike9494: etc /etc/apt/sources.list
20:11.50dvs<PROTECTED>
20:11.52h3xiss/etc/edit
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20:12.04bravvvesimonrvn:mabe when i was tring to making the printer working i'd installed some update
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20:12.15anewbieyes i got it
20:12.16anewbie:D
20:12.18anewbiethx
20:12.30simonrvnjudd: versions linux-image-2.6.26
20:12.31juddsimonrvn: linux-image-2.6.26 --
20:12.34mike9494h3xis: ok found that, but how do i get the right links for nluug.nl ?
20:12.35simonrvnjudd: versions linux-image-2.6
20:12.36juddsimonrvn: linux-image-2.6 --
20:13.11mike9494can i use the setup/ gui to add it?
20:14.23bravvvesimonrvn: any idea?
20:14.39simonrvnjudd: versions linux-image-2.6-686
20:14.39mike9494h3xis: i dont know how to add this to sources.lst http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian/dists/lenny/
20:14.40juddsimonrvn: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 sid: 2.6.31+22
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20:15.09simonrvnbravvve: well i'd seriously consider doing that soon, upgrading your kernel.
20:15.34bravvvesimonrvn:how?
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20:16.04bravvvebravvve:my system dosn't start
20:16.04simonrvnbravvve: what is your skill level with say apt-get or aptitude?
20:16.04h3xismike9494: try adding deb http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr/debian lenny main contrib non-free
20:16.47mike9494h3xis: non-free ? > but that is a mirror repos for debian
20:16.49bravvve<PROTECTED>
20:16.52mike9494is that still correct then?
20:17.15h3xismike9494, non-free is listed in that repository
20:17.20bravvvesimonrvn:some times apt-get install,update
20:17.33mike9494h3xis: but also free :|
20:17.45simonrvnbravvve: i can't help right now, ask the channel, something came up
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20:18.00h3xismike9494: yeah. you dont have to include non-free if you dont want, or contrib
20:18.21bravvvesimonrvn:ok,thanks
20:18.26mike9494h3xis: ok, so with that line you gave me, itll include everything
20:18.33h3xismike9494: yes
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20:18.58mike9494h3xis: thank you very much : )
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20:19.09bravvvehi,when traing to making my hp 1018 printer worging i'd installed some packages,when finished i got some error  that some services cant be configuredand i get to reboot to fix this,i'd rebooted the system,i'd got error about udev :disable CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRACATED or update kernel,how can i fix that.
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20:22.16CopeHi, Fresh lenny install, followed dpkg's advice on dmm for lenny, but during aptitude update I was kicked out of X; I ran aptitude update again anyway, but now on reboot I don't go into X.  inittab hasn't changed, and I can 'startx' ok.  What should I look at?
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20:27.54nkuttlerCope: well, try to start your display manager
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20:29.06jpinx-eeepcCope: have a look at ps -e and try /etc/init.d/gdm stop & start - or xdm or whatever
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20:29.44CopeI already tried /etc/init.d/gdm start... nothing happened
20:29.58jpinx-eeepcwhat did that return exactly?
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20:30.29Copejpinx-eeepc: nothing at all, and $? is 0
20:30.35jpinx-eeepccope did you look to see if it is running already?
20:30.46jpinx-eeepcis it installed?
20:30.51harkCope: what does cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager say?
20:31.11Copejpinx-eeepc: not running, yes it's installed; as i say it stopped working halfway through and aptitude update
20:31.42Copehark: ah, it says /usr/bin/gdm
20:31.45Copewhich isn't there!!
20:31.52jpinx-eeepcreinstall it
20:32.19jpinx-eeepcaptitude purge gdm && aptitude install gdm
20:32.20nkuttlerCope: try dpkg --configure -a
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20:33.21harkCope: no, try changing it to sbin, see if that makes a difference. depends on the init script
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20:34.34Copehark: not there for sbin either; trying purge and reinstall
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20:37.10hark/usr/bin/gdm is fine anyway, even though it's not the right path. i checked the script
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20:37.37harkbut you should have /usr/sbin/gdm
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20:38.32TD--Linuxwhen buliding a kernel in debian, the config fiels are in the debian/ directory
20:38.44TD--Linuxis there a good way to modify them with xconfig?
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20:39.08TD-Linuxalso I noticed not all possible options are listed
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20:42.09qwdCan Debian use "windows shares"? I have an Sangean WFR-20 digital radio that can connect to a computer with either UPnP or Windows Share. From what I've read so far (very little) UPnP is supposedly insecure so I'm wondering if I should go with Windows Share. Any advice on this?
20:42.10TD-Linuxah figured it out
20:42.13TD-Linuxdebian/rules updateconfigs
20:42.15TD-Linuxis my friend
20:42.24franki^!smb
20:42.24dpkgrumour has it, smb is Server Message Block, or how Microsoft pulls off its networking sharing magic.  See also <CIFS>, <samba>, <smbfs>.
20:42.32franki^!samba
20:42.32dpkgSamba is a UNIX implementation of Windows file/print sharing (the SMB/CIFS protocol).  Documentation resources: http://samba.org/samba/docs/ , http://wiki.samba.org/ .  Backported Samba 3.4.2 packages for Lenny are available, ask me about <bpo>.  http://samba.org/samba/docs/FAQ/  http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Category:Category_FAQ  http://samba.org/  #samba on irc.freenode.net.  See also <swat>.
20:42.40franki^qwd: ^
20:42.53maherdoes anyone make a real time kernel image for debian?
20:42.54qwdfranki^: And Samba would be a better solution than UPnP right?
20:43.14franki^qwd: i'm not certain, but, it's probably what i'd do
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20:44.49qwdfranki^: thanks!
20:46.24franki^qwd: no problem :
20:46.26franki^:)
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20:55.51Coperight, gdm installed now, and so I have X
20:56.04Copehowever, it seems now to be using twm when i log in
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20:56.51Copehow very odd
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20:57.24ge0rge007is there a way to install netbeans 6.7 at debian other than download the deb files? (like an externan repo)
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20:59.02patrikfwhat's wrong with the debs in the archive?
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20:59.43themillpatrikf: at a guess, they are lagging a *long* way behind upstream
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21:02.17aegwhat do i have to do to make my usb mp3 play to show in the 'places' ?
21:02.35aegor to mount it ?
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21:03.32Bombohm i'm trying to compile a kernel the debian way: i did apt-get source linux-source-2.6.31, then copied a .config to the dir, then make menuconfig, exit, fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image, is that correct? but i'm now asked all those questions again like 'Enable the block layer (BLOCK) [Y/?]'
21:03.43Bombolike make config
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21:05.23Bombowhy do i get asked for the config when i already have one
21:06.51Copedpkg: tell bombo about debian kernel
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21:07.13Trampapparently "--with[out]-suggests" has been dropped from aptitude at some point. Is there a variable I can set to get its effect (i.e. on install do not pull in "Suggests" but still honor "Recommends")? I tried "-oApt::Install-Suggests::=0" without success and "--without-recommends" (naturally) drops recommends
21:08.36Trampfunny enough there is no note in the Changelog that "--*-suggests"  has been dropped and it's only recently been removed from bash_completion as well.
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21:10.45BomboCope: doesnt answer the question... plain make runs through, but make-kpkg keeps asking me questions
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21:14.05_val_hello, Just to confirm, does  dpkg --get-selections   list all installed packages?
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21:17.48maherBombo: try make oldconfig
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21:18.30craigevilTramp: in your apt.conf you can put APT::Install-Suggests "0"; to permanently keep suggests from being installed
21:18.39maher_val_: yes
21:18.44Bombomaher: before or after the make-kpkg?
21:18.53maherBombo: before
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21:20.01_val_maher: thanks.. how do I check what files apache contains e.g   dpkg apache..?
21:20.15Trampcraigevil: thanks, will try - so did I get the syntax on the cmdline wrong in "aptitude -P -oApt::Install-Suggests=0 install libc6-dev" (also tried ::= instead of =)
21:20.19Bombomaher: still getting asked
21:20.37Trampoh, "APT" instead of "Apt"?
21:20.51mogglenorphIs there a way to install X without installing anything from gnome or gdm?
21:20.56mogglenorphFrom the netinstall CD?
21:21.16themillTramp: that's already the default behaviour
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21:22.04maherBombo: if the new kernel source has options not present in the old config it wil lprobably ask you about them
21:22.20_val_or maybe  dpkg --get-selection | grep apache2
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21:22.24Trampthemill: well - I think I didn't change something, but (Squeeze) updating libc6-dev tries to pull in manpages dev, which are only suggested by libc6-dev.
21:22.25_val_?
21:22.54mahermogglenorph: do a minimal install and then just install the X packages you want
21:23.08themillTramp: "aptitude why libc6-dev manpages-dev"
21:23.20mogglenorphmaher: fair enough. that works fine.
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21:23.22Trampthemill: yes. I just said why.
21:23.23maher_val_: dpkg -L apache
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21:23.59Bombomaher: hm that would explain it...
21:24.01_val_maher: thanks again , I'm new to debian. need just the basics.. I'm more in the rhel world.
21:24.10Trampi A libc6-dev                  Suggests   manpages-dev
21:24.14ik3im having an strange issue with my squeeze 2.6.30 installed with the netinst cd, when i 'modprobe snd-hda-intel' it shows 'not found' looks into /lib/modules/2.6.30/kernel/sound... in folders that doesnt exists, i have installed linux-image, linux-sound-base any ideas?
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21:25.02jetscreameri forget, isn't is snd_
21:25.13themillTramp: that's not the output I asked for and that's not the command I suggested you run
21:25.40Trampi A libc6-dev Suggests manpages-dev
21:25.55Trampyeah, right. one less tab apparently
21:26.04TD-Linuxwhoa, compiling kernel requires >1GB of disk space?
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21:26.56mogglenorphI am never going to keep a mixed system ever again.
21:27.14mahermogglenorph: chroot / xen / whatever is your freind
21:27.23maheri mean friend
21:27.39mogglenorphI already gave up and tried ubuntu 9.10
21:27.46mogglenorphIt was more of a mess than the mix.
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21:27.54mogglenorphSo... back to stable.
21:28.00zleapi should be getting a dell 10v this week, so may just stick 9.04 on it
21:28.01themillTramp: aptitude why will only give one possible reason, but normally the most compelling. There's a chance the deps have changed in squeeze vs sid (but not that I know of), but this is what you would get for a sid system: http://pastebin.ca/1682777
21:28.09zleapits sync'd with my desktop then in terms of OS
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21:29.56aegHi the usb device i try to mount is Zen so it looks like i have to use libmtp (right?) it's installed but what should i do next fot it to show up
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21:30.42Trampthemill: yeah, well. The command you gave me gives exactly this one line of output
21:31.32themillTramp: The deps are the same according to packages.debian.org -- it's a recommends that's causing it to be installed not a suggests.
21:31.53arcskyif i got 2 ISPs and 2 networkcards how to setup load balancing between them?
21:32.02arcskyany software needed or so
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21:35.18Trampthemill: yes, you are right. It's recommended by libc-dev-bin on squeeze as well. So it must be a difference in aptitude (which apparently is much newer in sid)
21:35.25markybobarcsky, you read.  http://linux-ip.net/html/adv-multi-internet.html
21:35.38Tramp0.6 something vs. 0.4 something
21:35.57themillTramp: I guess so. I've never seen aptitude prefer a shorter path over a more compelling path before though.
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21:39.42ward-im trying to get a chroot env with debian-mips
21:39.44Trampthemill: thanks. It explains why it does not react to modifying Apt::Install-Suggests (or even does not honor the default, as you noted), when in reality the dependency I was tracing is a Recommend
21:39.55ward-but my device's default linux can only read fat32...
21:39.56themillyes
21:39.59ward-what can i do?
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21:44.32cadshey, what would you guys use to painlessly backup a debian laptop onto a windows server/workstation?
21:44.38harkApt::Install-Suggests is not a valid option anyway ^
21:44.39apthark: okay
21:44.57hark~forget Apt::Install-Suggests
21:44.57apthark: i didn't have anything called 'apt::install-suggests' to forget
21:45.00cadsI've been trying to manually copy the files but it keeps running into filenames that are too long and stuff
21:45.11hark~forget ::Install-Suggests
21:45.11apthark: i didn't have anything called '::install-suggests' to forget
21:45.22themillapt factstats new
21:45.30hark~forget :Install-Suggests
21:45.30apthark: i didn't have anything called ':install-suggests' to forget
21:45.44mogglenorphDoes the "standard system" option install any X components?
21:45.59ward-cads, you wanna backup everything?
21:46.07themillapt forget install-suggests
21:46.07apti forgot install-suggests, themill
21:46.26cadsward, i'd almost like to make a live system image
21:46.41ward-cads, im not sure what you mean by that
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21:46.47cadsbut just backing everything up would be nice
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21:47.37ward-you could use rsync of your homedir to a windows share or something
21:47.40cadsward, by that I meant something that I could use to run my backup in a virtual machine later, or restore it back onto my laptop easily
21:47.48ward-you can also just make a image with dd
21:47.57ward-aaaah
21:48.00ward-definitely dd then
21:48.15ward-if you want to boot it in a vm you need to make an image
21:48.29cadscool
21:48.30ward-an image is also easy to restore with a livecd
21:48.37ward-just do dd --help
21:49.01ward-if=input of=output
21:49.30cadsheh
21:49.34ward-output can be a file (or share on your windows machine i suppose)
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21:49.55ward-i mean or a file in a share on your windows machine
21:50.01cadsso I'll just run pipe everything into an iso?
21:50.17ward-not really lol
21:50.29ward-well i dunno if thats usefull but i dont think so
21:50.34ward-you can compress it if you want
21:51.46cadsI'm going to see if there's an already existing solution that compresses your files and gives them integrity codes and puts them in an indexed backup database.. as well as being able to produce a vm image
21:52.05cadsheh, while hacking together the dd version from this tutorial i found :)
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21:53.50themillTramp: Even in a squeeze chroot I can't replicate your output from aptitude why. Most odd.
21:54.54ward-cads, to compress it: dd if=/dev/hdX | gzip > /mnt/bla/drive_backup.img.gz
21:55.03Trampthemill: hmm. weird. I just can't think of anything I could have changed that could cause this behaviour (I never messed with the /etc/apt/* foo)
21:55.18nvzI'm trying to play audio on another computer on my network via pulseaudio, I'm getting this message and I'm not sure if its failing on this client's side or failing to connect to the other computer "ALSA lib pulse.c:229:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused"
21:55.21cadsward no way
21:55.24ward-cads, then to place back: gzip -dc /mnt/bla/drive_backup.img.gz | dd of=/dev/hda
21:55.31cadshah!
21:55.56cadsthat goes in my snippets slops box
21:56.09ward-you wont gain THAT much
21:56.18cadsI was trying to understand it and it seemed so complicated
21:56.26ward-dd ? :O
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21:57.04cadsdd --help is a wall of terms describing binary streams
21:57.13ward-/dev/hda would be an intire drive btw
21:57.23ward-/dev/hda1 would be the first partition of the drive
21:57.27cadsyeah, I'm trying it with a single directory
21:57.36ward-ffs......
21:57.44ward-dd is for everything............
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21:57.52ward-its to make a image of a partition or drive
21:58.04ward-if you need to copy a folder then use cp -r ...
21:58.12SolarisBoyi use it to make files lower case sometimes
21:58.14SolarisBoy=)
21:58.16ward-*dir
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21:58.50ward-you said you wanted to backup everything lol
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22:00.06harkthemill: http://packages.qa.debian.org/e/eglibc/news/20091112T153753Z.html
22:00.36harkwas probably changed from a suggests to a recommends
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22:01.09themillhark: that's not what we've been talking about though -- aptitude why is giving rather different output on two machines
22:01.35cadsward, so at what level does dd copy? at the partition or whole drive level?
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22:02.32\amethystcads:  whichever you tell it to copy
22:02.48\amethystcads:  /dev/sda1 would be the partition, /dev/sda the whole disk
22:02.54harkthemill: sorry i haven't been following. i'll look at the scrollback
22:03.23themillhark: meh, don't stress!
22:03.39\amethystthough I wouldn't use dd in this case
22:03.40cadsyeah, I meant that it copies on that lower level only, instead of at the logical level of files and hardlinks and such
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22:04.05harknp
22:04.11cadsso you could in theory use dd to make an image of any mounted partition?
22:04.31\amethystI wouldn't use it on a mounted partition
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22:04.39\amethystunless it's mounted read-only
22:04.57ShadurI'm using make-kpkg --initrd to create a kernel image, but for some reason it's still not creating one. I've also checked /etc/kernel-img.conf and it also specifies that an initrd should be made. The process yields no errors, it simply fails to make an initial ramdisk. What could be the issue?
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22:05.34ShadurI'm about to run another make-kpkg and log the entire output to a file to peruse in the hope it'll show me something, but it'll be another 12 minutes before I have an answer.
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22:08.35nkuttler!tell shadur about kp mantra
22:09.01ShadurYes, I did add --initrd.
22:09.14nvzShadur: wow only 12 minutes? wanna trade computers? my kernel works already.. heh
22:09.37nkuttlerShadur: so which command did you use exactly?
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22:09.50Shadurnvz: The stock debian kernel works fine, but I need the 1.90 nvidia driver which isn't in sid yet.
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22:10.06Shadurnkuttler: time fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=Barbelith.3 --initrd kernel_image
22:10.23nvzShadur: ah. I'm using a 5200FX, so I def dont need bleeding edge driver
22:10.32nkuttlerShadur: and there's no initrd in the .deb?
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22:10.49Shadurnkuttler: Nope. Or if there is it wasn't installed.
22:10.55themilljudd versions nvidia-kernel-source
22:10.55juddthemill: nvidia-kernel-source -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 190.42-2
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22:11.09themillShadur: ^^ and I don't know why you'd need to recompile your kernel to use it anyway
22:11.17Shadurthemill: Yeah, it's fine in source.
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22:11.33ward-im trying to get a chroot env with debian-mips
22:11.42ward-but my device's default linux can only read fat32...
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22:11.55ward-and it doesnt seem to work on fat32
22:11.55TD-LinuxI am currently recompiling my kernel to get force feedback support
22:11.58TD-Linuxis still on 2.6.24
22:12.13Shadurthemill: I'm used to building it with make-kpkg modules. Can I get away with just installing linux-headers of the right kernel version to build the deb?
22:12.30Bombohm i got grub installed on /dev/sda and /dev/sdb which one will load at boot time?
22:12.48Shadurnvz: SLI'ed 260s here. I bought my biannual new comp last week.
22:12.48ShadurBombo: Ask your mainboard BIOS.
22:12.54themillShadur: you should be able to do this with a debian stock kernel, /msg dpkg nvidia m-a
22:13.19BomboShadur: doesnt talk to me, probably the first one, right?
22:13.44ShadurBombo: Bios menu -> advanced CMOS settings -> Boot order, or something along those lines.
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22:13.56Bomboand what conf i mean menu.lst does it take?
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22:14.35cwheelerhow do i see if my dvd burner is using dma and change it?
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22:14.53Bomboi configured /boot/grub/menu.lst on /dev/sdb1 will that be used by the grub on /dev/sda ?
22:15.02nvzShadur: hah, wtg.. I don't really buy computers. build em from parts I collect as a tech, and the netbook, well.. that was from working for the govt and it being easier for them to pay me by ordering me something than going through the red tape of approving a check
22:15.02ShadurYes.
22:15.49Bomboeven if there is a /boot/grub/menu.lst on /dev/sda1 also?
22:15.55Shadurnvz: Likewise, but every so often you run out of room to upgrade that way... And I've got an extended family; there's always someone I can foist the predecessor off on to cover the cost.
22:16.39ShadurOr at least part of the cost. For that matter, I spent significantly less money on this iteration than the previous one despite being several orders of magnitude faster.
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22:18.07jandroWhich file is the appropriate one in order to change the console font, /etc/console-tools/config or /etc/default/console-setup? thanks
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22:20.24Shadurnvz: Besides, that gave me the excuse to buy this case: http://www.coolermaster-europe.com/product.php?product_id=6600
22:22.00qwdI want to set up Samba to share my music folder to Sangean WFR-20 (digital radio), and the default smb.conf was confusing so I made this very simple config file http://pastebin.com/d56b4053 can someone with Samba experience please take a look and tell me if that's enough, if it achieves what I want and/or if I should add something? What I want is to share 1 folder and it's subfolders, read only, no possibility to do anything else, not see oth
22:22.30nvzShadur: hah, thats pretty slick.. though in my experience horizontally mounted fans dont last long
22:23.10nvzShadur: I also have a bad habbit of giving away technology I dont use for awhile just as easily as I get it...
22:23.31nvzI just like to see stuff being used and not thrown away or collecting dust
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22:27.24ShadurOkay, the m-a way got the module loaded... Frak.
22:27.36ShadurIt's claiming no devices found.
22:28.13mogglenorphSo, I am trying to install debian netinst from a flash drive, and all I get is a grub rescue prompt.
22:28.27mogglenorphI had it partition automatically and install grub to the MBR.
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22:32.52mogglenorphHow do I avoid this? I selected "automatically install grub to the MBR of my first hard disk," and it seems that it ended up installed on my USB flash drive instead of my HD.
22:33.00FireCrotchI'm currently doing a netinstall of testing, and I'm wondering what is the difference between linux-image-2.6-486, linux-image-2.6.30-2-486 and linux-image-486
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22:36.10benediktim "cloing" a installation between two hard drives (changing to a larger one). Im currently running "cp /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1" with the system running.. Will this work?
22:36.21ward-im trying to get a chroot env with debian-mips
22:36.23ward-but my device's default linux can only read fat32...
22:36.27ward-and it doesnt seem to work on fat32
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22:41.12MoDaXcwheeler: hdparm -d /dev/cdrom
22:41.31cwheelerthanks MoDaX
22:41.41MoDaX-d1 to turn it on
22:41.47MoDaX-d0 to turn it off
22:42.18rgrbenedikt: no.
22:42.25benediktrgr: logic?
22:43.03cwheeler/dev/cdrom:
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22:43.03cwheelerATA dvd drive doesn't like it
22:43.24cwheelerwodim docs says dma is good
22:44.43rgrbenedikt: maybe I missed something. I didn know you can cp devices. I assumed you wanted recursive copy.
22:44.47MoDaXcwheeler: ide driver is probably not loaded... what kernel is this?
22:44.56rgrand of course maintin the ownerships and groups.
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22:48.27benediktrgr: it worked on a memory card, im hoping this will work
22:48.30delightI installed slapd on lenny and the installation-routine asked me for a password for the admin ... does somebody know where its saved and how i can potentialy change it ?
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22:49.46rgrfirst I heard. normally its cp -ra.
22:50.01rgrbut there are many different ways in google.
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22:50.55MoDaXdelight: dpkg-reconfigure slapd
22:51.07ilembitovHi, all. Does anybody know, will I be able to install Debian taking up the whole disk space (thus destroying the Windows partition) using win32-loader that was run from that Windows partition?
22:51.13delightMoDaX: thnx ;) ok silly me :)
22:51.43mogglenorphUgh it was my BIOS.
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22:51.59mogglenorphIt was telling the debian installer that the USB flash drive I was installing from was the "first hard disk"
22:52.09mogglenorphI hate my motherboard.
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22:52.17Milos_SDhi
22:52.26Milos_SDwhy does making .deb file with make-kpkg for 2.6.32-rc7-next-20091120 ends with error: "The UTS version in include/linux/version.h does not match current version 2.6.32-rc7-next-20091120"?
22:52.31Milos_SDhow can I fix that?
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22:52.37mogglenorphManually installed grub onto the hard drive any now everything is good. yay stable.
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22:57.45neoiceso the ladest deluge in sid conflicts with deluge-common... so where's deluged now?
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23:01.56Milos_SDanyone?
23:02.00Milos_SDhelp please
23:02.18Links2i want deluge in stable rep
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23:02.42qwd!tell Milos_SD patience
23:02.58qwdno that's not how you do it.
23:03.49qwd!tell Milos_SD -about patience
23:03.58Links2no deluge in stable repository :(
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23:06.41Links2o, i'm see deluge in stable! it-s good
23:06.54ttickhow do I install the snd_hda_intel sound-module?
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23:08.35iluminator101I am trying to install swiftweasel whats the difference between amd-pgo_x86_64 and amd35-pgo_x86_64 packages, i am amd64 debian squeeze?
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23:13.28iluminator101so P.G.O. stands for Profile-guided optimization so now amd35 part?
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23:19.51hoo-hahwhat's the deal with the following message with apt- operations? dpkg: warning: obsolete option '--print-installation-architecture', please use '--print-architecture' instead.
23:20.04simonrvnignore it
23:20.04hoo-hahcan someone point me to a bug report on it?
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23:20.20simonrvnit's not an end-user thing
23:20.20craigevilhoo-hah: ive had that warning forever doesnt seem to mess with anything though
23:20.41simonrvnmeans the package maintainer needs to update the package scripts
23:21.35simonrvnrun both, you'll see (dpkg --print-installation-architecture and dpkg --print-architecture)
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23:23.35uskerinehi
23:23.48uskerineI am trying to load a font.alias file without success
23:24.13uskerinewhat do i need to do to include a new alias font file?
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23:24.27TorrentowGood Night
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23:25.07hoo-hahuskerine: include it somewhere under font path?
23:25.17hoo-hah~/.fonts/, perhaps?
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23:25.36uskerinei already tried to include as FontPath entry (without fonts.alias)
23:25.56uskerine<PROTECTED>
23:26.13hoo-hahthat also requires a font.dir
23:26.23uskerinefonts.alias is there
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23:26.33uskerineand refered font is listed when i type xlsfonts
23:26.39hoo-hah*fonts.dir
23:26.45uskerinebut for some reason the alias is not being incorporated
23:26.48uskerinefonts.dir
23:27.08uskerinefonts.dir has 0
23:27.20uskerineshould i do something with fonts.dir hoo-hah?
23:27.22hoo-hahttf fonts?
23:27.32uskerinedon't think so
23:27.36uskerinethey are the old CDE fonts
23:27.44uskerinei just need the alias (-dt-terminal... etc.)
23:28.11uskerineit was working before i accidentally ran aptitude and it updated xorg :)
23:28.26hoo-hahfc-cache -fv
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23:29.02hoo-hahfonts.dir shouldn't be empty, as long as there are non-ttf fonts in that dir
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23:30.00ward-anyone familiar with debian-mips and debootstrap?
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23:30.19uskerinethere are no fonts in that dir
23:30.22uskerineit is just an alias dir
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23:30.49uskerineit just maps common desktop environment fonts (--dt-terminal....) to "regular" fonts (--adobe-....)
23:31.08ward-i need to get a chrootabel system on a fat32 disk
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23:32.25simonrvnum, that ain't gonna work. you don't have unix perms on fat32.
23:33.23WyzardThere's umsdos
23:34.05Wyzardor just make a file containing an ext3 filesystem, if it doesn't need to be bigger than 2GB
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23:48.49roehttp://www.pastebin.ca/1682948 how do I install 1.2.4?
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23:50.05themillroe: "aptitude -t lenny-backports install dovecot". And you might want to fix your pinning as per the instructions on backports.org so once you've installed a package from bpo apt will automatically upgrade it for you
23:50.07streunerjudd, versions dovecot-common
23:50.07juddstreuner: dovecot-common -- etch: 1.0.rc15-2etch4 etch-security: 1.0.rc15-2etch5 lenny: 1:1.0.15-2.3 etch-backports: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 1:1.0.15-2.3+lenny1 lenny-backports: 1:1.2.4-2~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1:1.2.6-1 sid: 1:1.2.7-1
23:50.20roethemill, I will take a look thanks
23:50.28uskerineThe XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
23:50.29uskerine> Error:            Map "extra(keypad)" included more than once
23:50.29uskerine>                   Later inclusion ignored
23:50.29uskerine>                   Abandoning keytypes file "pc"
23:50.29uskerine>                   Abandoning keytypes file "complete"
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23:50.47uskerine>                   Abandoning keytypes file "pc"
23:50.49uskerine>                   Abandoning keytypes file "complete"
23:50.51uskerine>                   Abandoning keytypes file "default"
23:50.53uskerineErrors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
23:50.55uskerine(EE) Error compiling keymap (server-0)
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23:51.01themilluskerine: stop pasting!
23:51.19jpinx-eeepc!tell uskerine about paste
23:51.25jpinx-eeepc!tell uskerine about pastebinit
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23:52.57jpinx-eeepcuskerine: please do *not* pm me
23:53.18hoo-hahor me :)
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23:53.44Django|ZzZenZzZoNN all
23:54.55uskerinehttp://pastebin.ca/1682956
23:55.12uskerineI am having issues with XKB while installing DEBIAN on an ASUS EEE PC 701
23:55.22uskerineCould you please have a look and see if u have had same issues before?
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23:58.01pipelineuskerine: missing 'hal' package ?
23:58.32oh_noesis there an echo/print facility which allows console script fomatting to be controlled by the OS?   For example the:       * Starting Service X"
23:58.56oh_noesdo I just manually echo "* Starting Service X" or can I/should I /bin/foo "Starting Service X"
23:59.06oh_noesand let the OS display it so it matches everything else
23:59.40uskerinewhat is "hal" package?
23:59.57simonrvnoh_noes: /lib/lsb/init-functions

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