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| 00:00.04 | xreal | Is it hard to build libboost-1.38 in Debian Lenny? |
| 00:00.14 | \amethyst | uskerine: if you don't need a newer kernel for hardware support, I'd try using an etch kernel |
| 00:00.29 | jelly-hme | xreal: what are you _really_ trying to do? |
| 00:00.32 | uskerine | ok |
| 00:00.44 | uskerine | i will try that |
| 00:00.48 | \amethyst | uskerine: that is, run lenny, but install and boot the linux-image-2.6.18-blah from etch |
| 00:01.11 | xreal | jelly-hme: I'm installing an application, which needs Boost >=1.38, I've backported it to 1.35, it works fine. But now I want to try installing boost 1.38 |
| 00:01.15 | \amethyst | uskerine: if that doesn't work for you, rebuilding a kernel would be my next option, but that can be a pain |
| 00:01.25 | uskerine | can i directly copy the linux-image... from my existing etch machine and configure it in the new laptop? |
| 00:01.31 | jelly-hme | xreal: which application? |
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| 00:01.53 | xreal | http://trac.mapnik.org/wiki/DebianInstallation |
| 00:02.01 | uskerine | i mean copy the already compiled kernel from my etch box to the lenny box |
| 00:02.28 | sthon | uskerine: only way to find out =p |
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| 00:02.45 | \amethyst | uskerine: yes, if you have the .deb |
| 00:02.50 | sthon | ^one way. |
| 00:03.02 | \amethyst | uskerine: or you can get it from packages.debian.org |
| 00:03.06 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 00:03.12 | jetole | hey guys, I'm learning preseeding and I am wondering, if I am doing a network install on a net with DHCP, I don't have to preconfigure the network, do I? |
| 00:03.28 | \amethyst | uskerine: e.g. for the -686 version, http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/linux-image-2.6.18-4-686/download |
| 00:03.33 | uskerine | ok i will try, thank you very much for your help |
| 00:03.43 | jelly-hme | xreal: since Debian doesn't seem to support having multiple libboost*-dev at the same time, it's likely you'll break any other lenny packages depending on boost |
| 00:04.19 | jelly-hme | xreal: however if that package is your only goal, you could try backporting boost. It doesn't look trivial though, but it might be, who knows. |
| 00:04.49 | xreal | jelly-hme: v0.6.1 is in Debian testing sources. That's why it's easy to backport. |
| 00:05.10 | xreal | sed -i -e 's/1.38-/1.35-/g' debian/control |
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| 00:05.54 | xreal | Can't I compile libboost to another directory? Scons allows to take libbost from another directory than the "normal one". |
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| 00:06.41 | gregcoit | on debian 5.0.3 when trying to install solr-tomcat6 I get Depends: solr-common (= 1.3.0+ds1-1) but 1.2.0+ds1-3+lenny1 is to be installed |
| 00:06.44 | jetscreamer | /usr/local ? |
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| 00:07.50 | Aboba | Can anyone point me to a guide on how to configure an IP manually without a GUI? |
| 00:07.50 | themill | gregcoit: mixing lenny and squeeze or sid is always going to end in tears. |
| 00:07.50 | jelly-hme | xreal: yeah, but there's also 1.39 and 1.40 and I'm completely lost with the reasoning behind this sort of packaging |
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| 00:08.12 | xreal | jelly-hme: Perhaps I can find 1.38 in testing sources, let me try. |
| 00:08.14 | Aboba | not using Ifconfig for a one off I meann |
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| 00:08.20 | Aboba | I need it to be a permanent change |
| 00:08.32 | jelly-hme | Aboba: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 00:08.35 | themill | Aboba: editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:09.07 | jetscreamer | !interfaces |
| 00:09.07 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
| 00:09.18 | jelly-hme | !win jetscreamer |
| 00:09.19 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetscreamer! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 00:09.27 | Aboba | thanks guys |
| 00:09.53 | ohnoes | Heyas, kind of new to Linux, I know a little of this and that, but I don't know how to update my kernel. Any help would be great. |
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| 00:10.19 | jetscreamer | my asshole exbest friend/ex employer who stole my money has an aol cd collection. seriously. |
| 00:10.43 | jetole | ohnoes: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade |
| 00:11.03 | jetscreamer | upgrade won't do the kernel will it |
| 00:11.13 | themill | jetole: except install and configure sudo first, and use aptitude instead |
| 00:11.13 | jetole | jetscreamer: it will on ubuntu |
| 00:11.16 | ohnoes | What he said |
| 00:11.16 | jetscreamer | iirc you need dist-upgrade... if that does |
| 00:11.17 | ohnoes | lol |
| 00:11.22 | jelly-hme | jetole: this isn't #ubuntu |
| 00:11.29 | jetole | themill: why aptitude? |
| 00:11.35 | themill | dpkg: tell jetole about why aptitude |
| 00:11.36 | jetole | and sudo should be configured already, no? |
| 00:11.40 | themill | jetole: no |
| 00:11.42 | jetscreamer | !why aptitude.....nvm |
| 00:11.43 | jetole | oh wait, it's not on debian |
| 00:11.46 | jetole | themill: right |
| 00:11.49 | jelly-hme | suspects jetole is a troll |
| 00:12.01 | jetole | ha |
| 00:12.33 | jelly-hme | don't give ubuntu advice in'ere, it might not apply |
| 00:12.39 | jetole | suspects people who use the word troll too frequently need to get a life |
| 00:12.51 | jetole | jelly-hme: fair enough, that doesn't make me a troll |
| 00:12.54 | jetscreamer | sudo isn't even installed by default, unless they changed it |
| 00:13.11 | themill | jetscreamer: aptitude would do it on a {safe-,}upgrade if a new package actually existed that was depended on by an installed kernel meta-package. |
| 00:13.33 | jetscreamer | ah... i do not use kernel metapackages |
| 00:13.42 | jetole | jetscreamer: yeah I know but forgot, I have one debian server and a dozen ubuntu |
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| 00:14.23 | themill | ohnoes: why do you want a new kernel anyway? What's wrong with the current one? |
| 00:14.23 | jelly-hme | jetole: three misconceptions in two lines of "advice" were kinda suspicious, and my fuse is short |
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| 00:14.47 | themill | jelly-hme: I count 4! |
| 00:14.58 | jelly-hme | sleepy |
| 00:15.09 | orudie | whats the latest debian kernel ? |
| 00:15.17 | themill | judd kernels |
| 00:15.19 | judd | themill: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 00:15.19 | jetscreamer | that's a trick question |
| 00:15.32 | jetscreamer | ah ok nvm |
| 00:15.33 | jetole | jelly-hme: well I came in here asking advice so I'll stick to that and keep my mouth shut on offering it since I don't use debian that often |
| 00:15.50 | jetole | and credit to debian, I needed linux on a sparc and ubuntu no longer offers it |
| 00:15.51 | jetscreamer | !comfort jetole |
| 00:15.51 | dpkg | There, there, jetole. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:15.52 | orudie | I just got the VPS with debian and the version is Linux version 2.6.18-ovz028stab053.5-smp |
| 00:15.55 | jelly-hme | jetole: we are in agreement |
| 00:15.56 | orudie | should I upgrade ? |
| 00:16.00 | jetole | lol |
| 00:16.04 | jetole | @ comfort |
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| 00:16.17 | jetscreamer | 2.6.18 was sarge wasn't it.. or was that etch |
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| 00:16.33 | orudie | not sure |
| 00:16.33 | orudie | :) |
| 00:16.35 | simonrvn | etch |
| 00:16.35 | themill | That's not a debian kernel at all |
| 00:16.37 | elipsoid | Hi |
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| 00:16.49 | jelly-hme | orudie: that's an openvz VPS, they share a common kernel |
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| 00:16.50 | jetscreamer | christ |
| 00:16.50 | simonrvn | erm, ops |
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| 00:16.54 | orudie | what is it ? |
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| 00:17.00 | simonrvn | thank you :) |
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| 00:17.06 | orudie | how can I find out which distro i'm on ? |
| 00:17.07 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 00:17.13 | jetscreamer | !version |
| 00:17.13 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 00:17.17 | jetole | jetscreamer: I have 2.6.18 but it doesn't have the lsb_releases app, how do I know which nickname of debian I have? |
| 00:17.24 | jetole | nvm |
| 00:17.37 | jetole | I have 4.0 on 2.6.18 |
| 00:17.42 | jelly-hme | judd: version libc6 |
| 00:17.42 | judd | jelly-hme: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 00:17.46 | jelly-hme | judd: versions libc6 |
| 00:17.47 | judd | jelly-hme: libc6 -- etch: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch9+b1 lenny: 2.7-18 sid: 2.10.1-7 squeeze: 2.10.1-7 |
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| 00:18.05 | orudie | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:18.05 | orudie | 5.0.3 |
| 00:18.12 | orudie | is this a recent version ? |
| 00:18.20 | themill | orudie: that's the current stable |
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| 00:18.25 | nvz | orudie: current stable |
| 00:18.26 | orudie | oh ok |
| 00:18.28 | simonrvn | Setting up libc-dev-bin (2.10.2-1) << sid |
| 00:18.33 | orudie | so no need to upgrade ? |
| 00:18.41 | themill | orudie: none whatsoever. |
| 00:19.10 | uskerine | \amethyst, jellyhme: it works! thanks a lot! |
| 00:19.13 | jetscreamer | uh, i know nothing, does a vps run it's own instance of a kernel? |
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| 00:19.21 | jetole | honest question, and I feel stupid for asking, but what is the benefit of debian to ubuntu? |
| 00:19.35 | simonrvn | enoparse |
| 00:19.35 | elipsoid | I experience some troubles and I really don't know what to do now ... I have an atheros chipset inside my portable computer, and I bought another express card with another atheros chipset inside. The problem is that this second card doesn't wants to work. Nothing in dmesg. In fact, it works "a little". Like recognised by the computer (lspci). Having a device in iwconfig. Can't use any. I'm using madwifi drivers. Should I use ath9k |
| 00:19.35 | elipsoid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.35 | themill | dpkg: tell jetole about why debian |
| 00:19.38 | jetscreamer | compare #debian to #ubuntu imo |
| 00:20.25 | simonrvn | judd: update yourself |
| 00:20.27 | judd | simonrvn: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 00:20.29 | xreal | jelly-hme: I am compiling boost-1.38 currently. |
| 00:20.30 | jetscreamer | wasn't that capn mark? |
| 00:20.37 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 00:20.42 | elipsoid | I currently downloading the last ath9k sources, but if you have any other idea ... I would really be pleased ... I alredy asked all the people I know, noones seems to know what to do, but I think there is some kind of collision |
| 00:21.09 | elipsoid | ( PS : I can't tell more since dmesg doesn't return anything ... ) |
| 00:21.23 | jelly-hme | simonrvn: and you thought it couldn't understand! |
| 00:21.59 | simonrvn | jelly-hme: meh :| |
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| 00:22.32 | simonrvn | :< even |
| 00:22.56 | jetole | themill: the dpkg answer was good but nothing it said nor any of the pages were specific to why debian vs. ubuntu but I don't need an answer anymore, I am multitasking enough as it is so... well yeah, I don't care anymore, lol, sorry |
| 00:23.11 | simonrvn | shoot, i can't do v umlaut with compose. my day is officially crap. |
| 00:23.28 | elipsoid | Ok, well nobody seems to have any interest in my problem, or nobody knows ? |
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| 00:24.15 | simonrvn | elipsoid: i don't know. others might. especially if you try to be clearer about the issue. |
| 00:24.19 | jetole | elipsoid: welcome to IRC. No one answered mine yet either but somehow I will go on. Googling your answer always helps too |
| 00:24.19 | themill | jetole: to do that, we'd have to start slagging off other distributions and we don't like doing that. |
| 00:24.58 | jetole | themill: k, honestly I don't care anymore. I have nothing against debian and I am doing too much other stuff to care |
| 00:25.04 | elipsoid | jetole, i'm searching for 3h now, over search engines, over other IRC servers ... |
| 00:25.20 | gregcoit | themill: am I mixing different debians? |
| 00:25.23 | elipsoid | simonrvn, thanks for answering =) |
| 00:25.45 | themill | jetole: see, asking questions and then telling the people who answer you that you don't care about there answers, is a great way to reinforce that troll marker you were offered earlier. |
| 00:25.48 | elipsoid | I think i'll try to post a bug on some obscure bugzilla if it goes on :x |
| 00:25.58 | gregcoit | themill: the server was built before i joined the company |
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| 00:26.16 | elipsoid | jetole, what is your problem ( nobody knows, I may have the answer (but it's unlikely :x ) |
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| 00:26.23 | jetole | themill: this time I earned it but I shouldn't have asked in the first place since both debian and ubuntu are great OS |
| 00:26.27 | simonrvn | elipsoid: i'd say check the hardware first, then check software. |
| 00:26.59 | elipsoid | hardware is okay since it works on windows vista ( I tried on another laptop ) |
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| 00:27.06 | elipsoid | (same model) |
| 00:27.13 | themill | gregcoit: yes. solr-tomcat6 isn't in lenny and you said you were running lenny. |
| 00:27.17 | jetole | elipsoid: I was asking if pxe booting + debian preseed would work without any preconfiguration if used on a DHCP net but I am gonna try and find out regardless and if not then I will look into preseed via initrd |
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| 00:27.44 | simonrvn | elipsoid: i meant the same box. the other laptop might not have the same issue. |
| 00:27.46 | jetscreamer | !preseed |
| 00:27.46 | dpkg | [preseed] Preseeding provides a way to set answers to questions asked during the Debian installation process, to allow for a streamlined or completely automated installation. The <install guide> provides an extensive appendix on preseeding with a full example. See also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394 |
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| 00:28.18 | gregcoit | themill: ahh, ok. that helps,. so, my choices are to use solr-tomcat5.5 or upgrade the whole box? |
| 00:28.28 | elipsoid | jetole, sorry, I don't even understand your question :( seems i'm a noob ( not only seems lol ) |
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| 00:28.43 | livingdaylight | hi, trying to install debian here from some small installer |
| 00:28.51 | themill | gregcoit: tomcat6 isn't in any version of debian that is ready for production use. |
| 00:28.52 | elipsoid | simonrvn, i'll try that tomorow, when shops'll be open =) |
| 00:29.05 | SolarisBoy | http://chemistryofjoy.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/sexy_linux.jpg |
| 00:29.07 | livingdaylight | stuck at wireless configuration page |
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| 00:29.18 | livingdaylight | Wireless ESSID for wlan0: |
| 00:29.27 | livingdaylight | I don't know what to put? |
| 00:29.38 | nvz | livingdaylight: the name of your access point |
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| 00:29.46 | SolarisBoy | =@ |
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| 00:30.02 | atril_ | hi |
| 00:30.05 | gregcoit | themill: so i need to figure out why we're using a repository that has tomcat6 as an option... |
| 00:30.05 | atril_ | I have question about netcat. I try to use "port redirection" like : nc -l -p 80 | nc irc.freenode.org 6667 | nc -b -l -p 80 but this doesn't work, The case is that if I use "nc -l -p 80 -c "nc irc.freenode.org 6667" works. Does anyone why the first method doens't work ? |
| 00:30.08 | jetole | elipsoid: no worries, I'm working on finding the answer now and jetscreamer: if you read the preseed docs they say that initrd is the only preseed method that allows you to use net based install without configuring networking first but DHCP automatically configures your networking so I don't know if that applies |
| 00:30.09 | nvz | livingdaylight: i.e. "Linksys", "Motorola", "Dlink" or whatever you may have named it |
| 00:30.11 | livingdaylight | nvz, linksys |
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| 00:30.18 | nvz | livingdaylight: there you go. |
| 00:30.31 | elipsoid | livingdaylight ... The essid of your wireless network ? |
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| 00:30.58 | elipsoid | can be found on your router (I don't know if that word is correct, french is routeur) |
| 00:31.05 | livingdaylight | its asking of Wirelss ESSID for wlan0, but i dont know what these terms mean |
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| 00:31.41 | livingdaylight | if i put Linksys and move on? |
| 00:31.45 | elipsoid | Every wireless network has a name which identifies it in a delimited space so you don't have to learn Mac addresses |
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| 00:31.47 | livingdaylight | it asks for wep key |
| 00:32.04 | nvz | livingdaylight: is your network secured or open? |
| 00:32.05 | livingdaylight | do i just enter s: wepkey_number ? |
| 00:32.18 | livingdaylight | secured |
| 00:32.22 | elipsoid | enter your wep key :x |
| 00:32.26 | livingdaylight | i know my wep key |
| 00:32.31 | gregcoit | themill: thanks for the help! I have a better understanding now |
| 00:32.39 | livingdaylight | but it says on installer i should put 's:' |
| 00:32.41 | themill | gregcoit: no worries. Good luck with it. |
| 00:32.54 | livingdaylight | 's:' in front of key number |
| 00:33.04 | livingdaylight | or do i just enter the number? |
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| 00:33.27 | Sarago | hello |
| 00:33.55 | Sarago | is anyone here? |
| 00:34.00 | jetole | no |
| 00:34.01 | elipsoid | just enter the numbers |
| 00:34.06 | elipsoid | ( and the letters in fact ) |
| 00:34.06 | Sarago | hi |
| 00:34.07 | nvz | nobody in here but us chickens |
| 00:34.10 | elipsoid | will work fine |
| 00:34.13 | Sarago | hah |
| 00:34.15 | livingdaylight | i get Network autoconfiguration failed again |
| 00:34.18 | Sarago | new debian user here |
| 00:34.20 | elipsoid | :s |
| 00:34.26 | nvz | Sarago: we can tell |
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| 00:34.33 | atril_ | I have question about netcat. I try to use "port redirection" like : nc -l -p 80 | nc irc.freenode.org 6667 | nc -b -l -p 80 but this doesn't work, The case is that if I use "nc -l -p 80 -c "nc irc.freenode.org 6667" works. Does anyone why the first method doens't work ? |
| 00:34.34 | jetole | Sarago: leave your name and number after the tone and someone will get back to you eventually |
| 00:34.34 | elipsoid | Maybe your wifi card isn't well recognised |
| 00:34.35 | Sarago | :| |
| 00:35.06 | Sarago | debian doesn't have a wheel group? |
| 00:35.18 | nvz | !wheel |
| 00:35.18 | dpkg | somebody said wheel was n. [from slang `big wheel' for a powerful person] The traditional name of security group zero in BSD. Irrelevant in Debian default configs. You can use a PAM module to allow only group wheel to su to root (as is the default in some Unices), or to allow group wheel to su to root without a password. See man pam_wheel for details. |
| 00:35.30 | Tramp | atril_: might be a buffering problem. See http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/009 |
| 00:35.47 | elipsoid | you can create a wheel group :x |
| 00:35.59 | nvz | shoots elipsoid |
| 00:36.15 | elipsoid | can't you ? |
| 00:36.18 | elipsoid | :x |
| 00:36.19 | nvz | SHHH |
| 00:36.48 | nvz | you can open the window with the air conditioner on, but that doesnt make it a good f'n idea |
| 00:37.05 | livingdaylight | elipsoid, appreciate it if you put my name so i know you are talking to me- nearly missed that. Well, network manager in other distros picks it up and configures fine |
| 00:37.17 | livingdaylight | I've not had to manually do this like this before though |
| 00:37.19 | jetole | nvz: but I want to AC the whole world |
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| 00:37.49 | jetole | that reminds me... |
| 00:37.50 | simonrvn | jetole: that wouldn't be such a hot idea. |
| 00:37.54 | jetole | goes to turn his AC off |
| 00:37.59 | elipsoid | I was on gentoo before, and I adopted debian only two days ago nvz. So ... I didn't even noticed that wheel group didn't exist :x |
| 00:38.03 | elipsoid | sorry livingdaylight |
| 00:38.29 | elipsoid | livingdaylight, if your card is correctly recognised, it must be the essid/key |
| 00:38.31 | elipsoid | OR |
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| 00:38.37 | jetole | simonrvn: it's not supposed to be a _HOT_ idea |
| 00:38.40 | jetole | har har har |
| 00:38.40 | elipsoid | you don't have any dhcp server |
| 00:38.41 | nvz | livingdaylight: network manager does that in debian too, when its installed.. which will be after you stop whining and install debian |
| 00:38.44 | jetole | slaps his knee |
| 00:38.57 | livingdaylight | elipsoid, ahhh.. i should type essid/key , yes? |
| 00:38.59 | nvz | livingdaylight: the netinstall is small because it doesnt have every util under the sun on it |
| 00:39.11 | livingdaylight | nvz, not whining... |
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| 00:39.25 | livingdaylight | nvz, i was explaining that my hardware works with linux |
| 00:39.26 | elipsoid | No ... I meant you should have the correct combination : a correct essid with a correct key, and a dhcp server if you wanna use dhcp |
| 00:39.39 | nvz | livingdaylight: whatever, I'm trying to be an asshole here, and you're messing it up.. I got a reputation to uphold.. lol |
| 00:39.42 | jetole | whats the kernel in the latest stable debian release? |
| 00:39.43 | elipsoid | if you have them and it doesn't work, I don't see where the problem is |
| 00:39.52 | elipsoid | anyway ... i'm not here anymore |
| 00:40.10 | nvz | all kidding aside, I'm going to watch some more stolen tv |
| 00:40.13 | livingdaylight | nvz, oh, i'm very sorry, Sir :) |
| 00:40.58 | orudie | how can I see the colors in my shell ? |
| 00:41.03 | nvz | livingdaylight: and don't call me sir, I've never even met the queen, much less been knighted |
| 00:41.07 | orudie | similar to ubuntu |
| 00:41.29 | nvz | What do I look like, Elton John over here? |
| 00:41.31 | simonrvn | he's been out all night, though. |
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| 00:41.58 | nvz | orudie: its already in your config, just gotta uncomment it |
| 00:42.38 | nvz | orudie: nano ~/.bashrc |
| 00:43.32 | nvz | personally I can't stand the colors, makes things hard to see |
| 00:43.40 | nvz | especially on white terminals |
| 00:43.40 | livingdaylight | i've just added a network cable to my laptop and it is still failing? |
| 00:44.31 | livingdaylight | wait.. i'm fine |
| 00:44.45 | livingdaylight | had to go one step back and undo the wlan0 and choose eth0 |
| 00:45.06 | sc | livingdaylight: you should look into using network-manager |
| 00:45.07 | jetole | livingdaylight: ok, try this, disable network manager. From the console su to root, if your network device is eth0 (ifconfig -a will show all) then do ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.10/24 && route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
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| 00:45.18 | jetole | this only applies if your network is 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 00:45.21 | sc | gnome has a nice applet for it that allows you to eaily switch |
| 00:45.28 | jetole | so change the net numbers accordingly |
| 00:45.32 | livingdaylight | sc, i will once i get out of this business-card installer |
| 00:45.34 | jetole | after that test your net |
| 00:45.34 | sc | personally, i use the gnome applet in kde |
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| 00:45.42 | jetole | it will help isolate where the problem exists |
| 00:46.07 | jetole | EOF |
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| 00:47.17 | livingdaylight | i've come to the Partition disks. I have a /home partition i want to keep and install Debian around that? but i don't see boxes to disable or enable format.. i do not want to overwrite my /home partition |
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| 00:48.37 | livingdaylight | when i hightlight my /home and hit return i open to details on that partition... "use as: do not use " can i leave it like that? |
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| 00:48.40 | jetscreamer | manual partitioning |
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| 00:49.00 | jetole | livingdaylight: do not use is fine |
| 00:49.06 | jetscreamer | yes you can, or you can tell it to mount it somewhere, w/o 'formatting' it |
| 00:49.20 | jetole | it will setup a new /home but you can mount the old one later |
| 00:49.59 | aixenv | hey guys im having soem problems getting lenny to recognize a broadcom NetXtreme II, this is a very base o/s i dont have lspci |
| 00:50.32 | paissad-hp | hi all, does ufw exist for debian ? |
| 00:50.38 | livingdaylight | does F stand for Format? |
| 00:50.44 | paissad-hp | aptitude search ufw does not return me ufw ! |
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| 00:50.49 | paissad-hp | nufw it does |
| 00:50.55 | jetole | paissad-hp: IMHO ufw shouldn't exist for anything |
| 00:50.59 | aixenv | i found a 'firmware-bnx2.0.21_all.deb' but that isnt working, it gives me *.fw files but i put them in /lib/firmware and according to dmesg|grep bnx they dont load |
| 00:51.04 | rincon | where can i find the latest version of gnome-doc-utils? |
| 00:51.06 | livingdaylight | how do i change it back to ' do not use' ? |
| 00:51.12 | paissad-hp | jetole, don't know what you really mean |
| 00:51.20 | jetole | ufw sucks |
| 00:51.26 | jetscreamer | livingdaylight: iird yes |
| 00:51.32 | jetscreamer | err iirc yes |
| 00:51.40 | jetscreamer | !ig |
| 00:51.40 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 00:51.45 | jetscreamer | read it |
| 00:53.20 | paissad-hp | jetole, actually, i have no firewall on my server yet, i would like to install one, i don't have any time enough to lean Iptables ... so what do you suggest me ? |
| 00:53.29 | paissad-hp | is nufw a firewall too ? |
| 00:53.40 | paissad-hp | learn* |
| 00:53.52 | aixenv | anyone able to assist? |
| 00:53.56 | jetole | I don't know. If you don't have time to learn how to use the firewall then use some crappy firewall for dummies app |
| 00:54.26 | livingdaylight | k, rtfm |
| 00:54.33 | jetole | iptables is relatively simple if you devote a night or maybe two to learning it and remember where the man page is |
| 00:54.40 | paissad-hp | jetole, so, let's say that i have enough time to learn iptable, what do you suggest me ? Iptable ? :) |
| 00:54.55 | jetole | what? |
| 00:54.58 | jetole | iptables |
| 00:54.58 | jetole | yes |
| 00:55.00 | sc | paissad-hp: there are plently iptables script making applications that will define iptables rules for you |
| 00:55.17 | paissad-hp | sc, i don't like doing things without understanding ! |
| 00:55.22 | paissad-hp | i prefer learn before |
| 00:55.25 | sc | it will help you understand |
| 00:55.27 | jetole | paissad-hp: no one does |
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| 00:55.39 | paissad-hp | jetole, yep :) |
| 00:56.05 | aixenv | perhaps this version of the firmware-bnx2 pkg is too new? |
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| 00:56.32 | jetole | iptables is simple if you spend a night reading the docs, you don't have to learn all the advanced stuff with it, you don't need to know about the different chains (mangle, nat filter (filter is the default which is fine)) |
| 00:56.54 | paissad-hp | btw, i aim to intall squid , if i make my iptables rules now , would i be obliged in the future to change the rules again just because i add squid ? |
| 00:57.13 | jetole | input, output and forward chains are simple, if the machine is not a firewall or nat machine or anything else for other computers then don't even worry about forward |
| 00:57.14 | paissad-hp | or a router between the box and my local network |
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| 00:57.25 | jetole | paissad-hp: maybe |
| 00:57.28 | paissad-hp | ok |
| 00:57.36 | paissad-hp | but it's not a matter :) |
| 00:58.03 | paissad-hp | i just want my server to let ssh and nfs opened ! |
| 00:58.14 | jetole | the easiest way to manage iptables as a firewall is as a transparent bridge on the forward table in the filter chain |
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| 00:58.25 | jetole | paissad-hp: well nfs is tricky |
| 00:58.35 | paissad-hp | jetole, ok |
| 00:58.41 | jetole | you need to tell nfs to have static ports which I don't think it does on any distro by default |
| 00:58.51 | jetole | that has to be configured with nfs first |
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| 00:59.07 | livingdaylight | can someone tell me what the K stands for? |
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| 00:59.24 | orudie | nvz, I just uncomented |
| 00:59.27 | jetscreamer | i found nfs easy to set up... long as i didn't have a firewall enabled. |
| 00:59.36 | jetscreamer | the fw is the trick, i think |
| 00:59.48 | paissad-hp | jetole, i think that nfs listens on port 2049, no ? |
| 00:59.49 | jetscreamer | i turned the router off first |
| 01:00.00 | jetscreamer | err unplugged the internet |
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| 01:00.10 | orudie | nvz, i just uncomented with nano ~/.bashrc and the colors are not there :) |
| 01:00.27 | jetole | paissad-hp: here is the iptables with ssh => http://pastebin.com/m5bf38dcc |
| 01:00.27 | jetscreamer | you have to log out and back in |
| 01:00.31 | jetscreamer | or source .bashrc |
| 01:00.44 | jetole | paissad-hp: nfs listens on several ports and i believe 2 were dynamic |
| 01:00.49 | jetole | statd is one of them I think |
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| 01:01.17 | orudie | question: i just uncomented with nano ~/.bashrc and the colors are not there :) |
| 01:01.24 | jetole | paissad-hp: if I remember correctly, statd has to be configured to use a static port |
| 01:01.32 | jetole | paissad-hp: google iptables + mfs |
| 01:01.43 | jetole | paissad-hp: or join #iptables |
| 01:01.47 | jetscreamer | orudie: answer: scroll up a bit |
| 01:01.53 | jetole | (which I think now redirects to #netfilter) |
| 01:01.54 | jetscreamer | or /lastlog |
| 01:02.07 | jetscreamer | 6 lines |
| 01:02.10 | jetscreamer | up |
| 01:02.15 | Sarago | is there not an opera package? |
| 01:02.23 | jetole | damn! It's 8 at night and I am exhausted |
| 01:02.24 | xreal | How can I remove a directory and "package", created by "svn co"? |
| 01:02.27 | ranix | !opera |
| 01:02.27 | dpkg | Opera is a cross-platform web browser and Internet suite, which handles common tasks including visiting web sites and sending/receiving e-mail. Opera is Freeware (>= version 8.5), but NOT Open-Source. It is not included in Debian and therefore not supported by #debian. To install, ask me about <opera apt> and see http://wiki.debian.org/Opera . http://www.opera.com/support/ #opera on irc.opera.com. |
| 01:02.37 | jetole | xreal: rm -rf directory |
| 01:02.45 | jetscreamer | opera supples a mirror i think |
| 01:02.48 | jetole | the svn data is stored in that directory as a .svn file |
| 01:02.50 | ranix | jetole: NO |
| 01:02.59 | ranix | rm -r is sufficient |
| 01:03.04 | ranix | do not use -f unless you know what it does |
| 01:03.06 | xreal | jetole: I thought, SVN has a function for that? |
| 01:03.08 | ranix | >:[ |
| 01:03.18 | jetole | xreal: I do and my answer wasn't wrong |
| 01:03.26 | jetole | more options then needed sure but not wrong |
| 01:03.37 | xreal | thx |
| 01:03.42 | jetole | np |
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| 01:05.17 | Sarago | no firefox package? |
| 01:05.33 | jetole | Sarago: I think it's called iceweasel in debian |
| 01:05.47 | elipsoid | yeah, and its an ersatz of firefox, I have to say this :x |
| 01:05.59 | Sarago | ersatz? |
| 01:06.01 | jetole | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 01:06.19 | elipsoid | yep, something worse |
| 01:06.40 | elipsoid | Like mac donalds is an ersatz of food |
| 01:06.44 | jetole | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project#Origins_of_the_issue_and_of_the_Iceweasel_name |
| 01:06.58 | elipsoid | Anyway, I don't like it :x |
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| 01:07.26 | themill | elipsoid: a different icon makes that much difference to you? wow. |
| 01:07.45 | elipsoid | It isn't only a different icon |
| 01:08.25 | jetole | The term "ice weasel" appeared earlier in a line which Matt Groening fictionally attributed to Friedrich Nietzsche: "Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra and then suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."[11] |
| 01:08.46 | jetole | hehehe |
| 01:08.51 | jetole | Matt Groening |
| 01:08.52 | elipsoid | anyway, I don't like it and I have to reboot on my new kernel. |
| 01:08.59 | elipsoid | yeah, futurama and the simpsons creator |
| 01:09.01 | elipsoid | See ya |
| 01:09.07 | jetole | yep |
| 01:10.11 | jetole | I like it when in the futurama movie: beast with a billion backs, the professor says "holy mothers of invention" referring to the band with frank zappa |
| 01:10.41 | jetole | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mothers_of_Invention |
| 01:10.57 | themill | jetole: #debian-offtopic awaits. |
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| 01:12.12 | jetole | rolls eyes |
| 01:12.22 | jetole | it came from topic |
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| 01:13.16 | aixenv | so i've tried this fw pkg twice now, ive got another server with the same setup working fine, i googled this error in dmesg and not coming up with much, any ideas? |
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| 01:13.45 | jetole | aixenv: whats the error? |
| 01:13.55 | aixenv | Broadcom NetXtreme II bnx2 v2.0.1 card, using the firmware-bnx2-0.21_all.deb |
| 01:14.13 | aixenv | bnx2: probe of 0000:07:00.0 failed with error 02 |
| 01:14.16 | aixenv | bnx2: probe of 0000:07:00.0 failed with error -2 |
| 01:14.38 | aixenv | bnx2: Can't load firmware file "bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-4.6.16.fw" |
| 01:14.38 | jetole | sounds like the wrong driver to me |
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| 01:14.54 | aixenv | sounds that way but i ahve an identical 2959 with teh same thing |
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| 01:15.07 | jetole | uhm... the word mips strikes me |
| 01:15.32 | aixenv | that works |
| 01:15.34 | jetole | that sounds like a driver for the mips processor but I am only guessing, do you have a MIPS RISC in the machine |
| 01:15.36 | aixenv | working server |
| 01:15.43 | aixenv | Broadcom NetXtreme II Gigabit Ethernet Driver bnx2 v2.0.1 (May 6, 2009) |
| 01:15.49 | aixenv | bnx2 0000:03:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 |
| 01:15.56 | aixenv | bnx2 0000:03:00.0: firmware: requesting bnx2/bnx2-mips-06-4.6.16.fw |
| 01:15.58 | aixenv | etc etc |
| 01:15.58 | themill | aixenv: where's this firmware package from? |
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| 01:16.19 | aixenv | themill: it's from the non-free repos |
| 01:16.49 | jetole | if I were you I would use lspci program to get the pci ids of the card, look it up on pciids.sourceforg.net and then go to broadcom and look for the correct driver or if they don't have an official driver then google it |
| 01:16.51 | themill | aixenv: you're using with a 2.6.30 kernel? |
| 01:16.52 | zanberdo | ok, I've just compiled an so of my own devising. I'm running on etch (don't ask why, it's required for the project) and I'm having difficulty adding my .so to the libraries. I'm not entirely clear on the procedure. I've copied the .so to /usr/local/lib (and added that to /etc/ld.so.conf), I've created the symlinks and I've run ldconfig, but for some reason my so is not showing up in the output for ldconfig -v. |
| 01:16.57 | aixenv | themill: yes |
| 01:17.03 | zanberdo | Any ideas? (I'm happy to provide more details upon request) |
| 01:17.03 | aixenv | jetole: base install no lspci |
| 01:17.16 | aixenv | and like i said identiccal nic/server working |
| 01:17.19 | jetole | aixenv: then install lspci? |
| 01:17.26 | aixenv | jetole waste of time? |
| 01:17.40 | aixenv | same server, same nic , same revision |
| 01:18.02 | jetole | aixenv: if everything was the same then you wouldn't have a problem |
| 01:18.08 | aixenv | themill: this is using teh khop (i believe it is) iso |
| 01:18.27 | aixenv | so we had support for this raid card |
| 01:18.38 | SerajewelKS | what's the debian way to install a virtual midi card in alsa so i can hear apps that insist on using midi output? |
| 01:18.41 | jetole | aixenv: image the hard drive from the working server onto your new one and then change the hostname and see what happens |
| 01:19.11 | aixenv | funny |
| 01:19.18 | jetole | you can't get a more identical install then... I'm serious |
| 01:19.33 | aixenv | dif disk partitioning among other things |
| 01:19.38 | jetole | it's not windows where you have to worry about BS like duplicate SID |
| 01:19.40 | aixenv | hardware wise its the same |
| 01:20.00 | jetole | aixenv: well if you image the whole hard drive then it creates the same partitions |
| 01:20.02 | aixenv | id opt for something else before i go that drastic (and time consuming) |
| 01:20.13 | jetole | opt all you like |
| 01:20.28 | aixenv | new server = dif parititioning scheme / old servers' simage would clobber new servers(that doesnt work)'s scheme |
| 01:20.36 | themill | aixenv: is this while trying to do the base install or afterwards? |
| 01:20.42 | aixenv | after themill |
| 01:20.54 | SerajewelKS | aixenv: you can image single partitions, you know |
| 01:20.59 | jetole | aixenv: don't know what simage is, use dd over ssh from a live CD |
| 01:21.08 | aixenv | way too much hassle |
| 01:21.14 | aixenv | ipkvm is annoiyng enough as is |
| 01:21.16 | jetole | not really |
| 01:21.23 | jetole | it's pretty damn simple |
| 01:21.25 | themill | aixenv: so you could install pciutils and double check that pci-id, I guess.... |
| 01:21.41 | SerajewelKS | aixenv: it takes one command with ssh or two commands with netcat |
| 01:21.49 | aixenv | kinda hard with no network |
| 01:21.51 | SerajewelKS | not sure how that's "hassle" |
| 01:21.56 | jetole | aixenv: which ipkvm are you using? |
| 01:22.00 | SerajewelKS | heh |
| 01:22.09 | themill | aixenv: no usb stick? |
| 01:22.17 | SerajewelKS | then i suppose hooking up a damn ethernet cable is out |
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| 01:22.29 | aixenv | themill: ill verify the pci-id is the same |
| 01:22.36 | aixenv | gotta get in touch with the DC guys to put that on the usb |
| 01:22.39 | jetole | used two ip kvm, dell drac 5 which blows and supermicro which is actually pretty damned good |
| 01:22.49 | themill | aixenv: ahh |
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| 01:23.32 | themill | aixenv: the machines are clearly not completely identical as the network cards have different bus-ids. |
| 01:24.29 | jetole | dell drac 5 is actually one of the worst built products I have ever used. I bought it for it's compatability with linux and it's broken even on the recommended dell browsers on the recommended dell OS and the dell tech who came to my office got it working on one of the 3 servers and couldn't get it working on the other 2 |
| 01:24.49 | stylus | Hey, just wanted to ask a question about security. Is it unsafe to install a webserver (e.g. lighttpd) using "sudo aptitude install ..." as opposed to just "aptitude install ..."? |
| 01:25.10 | jetole | stylus: no |
| 01:25.17 | SerajewelKS | stylus: if you are not root, you need to get root. sudo is one way to do that. |
| 01:25.25 | SerajewelKS | stylus: if you are root, sudo does effectively nothing. |
| 01:25.25 | jetole | stylus: you need to use sudo |
| 01:25.28 | jetole | it's not an option |
| 01:25.44 | SerajewelKS | jetole: unless he doesn't have sudo (which, IIRC, he doesn't by default) |
| 01:25.54 | jetole | ah right |
| 01:26.08 | jetole | I keep forgetting cause I use ubuntu more often then debian |
| 01:26.09 | stylus | no, I have sudo |
| 01:26.25 | stylus | was just wondering if there is a safer way to run the install command |
| 01:26.27 | SerajewelKS | stylus: then if you are not root you must use sudo, or aptitude will fail to install the package |
| 01:26.30 | jetole | stylus: to rephrase, you need to install it as root |
| 01:26.33 | jetole | it's not an option |
| 01:26.36 | SerajewelKS | stylus: or any other command you use to obtain root |
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| 01:26.43 | themill | aixenv: perhaps of relevance: http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13256 |
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| 01:27.25 | aixenv | lookin |
| 01:27.40 | jetole | stylus: you can install lighttpd without being root but only if you install it to like your home dir and run it on a port higher then 1024 |
| 01:27.57 | jetole | or install it to /tmp |
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| 01:28.24 | aixenv | eh no, there's no /lib/firmware/2.x dir |
| 01:28.34 | xreal | How can I extra a bz2 file to any directory like test\ ? |
| 01:28.34 | xreal | extract* |
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| 01:29.00 | jetole | tar -xvf |
| 01:29.02 | xreal | oh, -C ? |
| 01:29.20 | jetole | tar -xvf file.tar.bz2 -C test\ |
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| 01:29.33 | xreal | thx |
| 01:29.42 | stylus | jetole: right, that seems like a strange way of doing it though :P |
| 01:29.42 | jetole | sure |
| 01:29.50 | jetole | stylus: sure is |
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| 01:30.07 | xreal | jetole: unknown parameter -C ;-) |
| 01:30.15 | jetole | to tar? |
| 01:30.18 | xreal | yep |
| 01:30.22 | jetole | man tar |
| 01:30.29 | jetole | mine shows -C as the output drectory |
| 01:30.34 | SerajewelKS | jetole: tar extracts to whatever directory you are currently in |
| 01:30.40 | SerajewelKS | erm xreal ^^^ |
| 01:30.47 | stylus | jetole, serajewelks: thanks for the info. |
| 01:30.50 | SerajewelKS | xreal: so ... cd test; tar -jxvf ... |
| 01:30.53 | jetole | SerajewelKS: gnu tar on ubuntu uses the -C option |
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| 01:31.16 | jetole | also gnu tar on ubuntu doesn't need -j for bz2 or -z gzip |
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| 01:31.21 | SerajewelKS | jetole: so does tar on debian. either way, if he doesn't have -C then he can just cd. |
| 01:31.29 | SerajewelKS | jetole: also, this is #debian |
| 01:31.36 | jetole | I know |
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| 01:31.53 | jetole | I'm used to #ubuntu though so sorry bout that but still trying to help |
| 01:32.07 | jetole | er, used to ubuntu |
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| 01:32.20 | jetole | s/#ub/ub/ |
| 01:32.41 | SerajewelKS | tar on lenny supports -C too, so i dunno which distro he's using |
| 01:33.10 | jetole | yeah, I was worried there when I thought you were implying debian didn't support -C |
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| 01:33.54 | jetole | I think all gnu tar has supported that since decades ago |
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| 01:40.39 | Gokee2 | Hello all, I have been poking around looking at the install disks for Debian and I notices i386 has 31 cd's but 64 bit has only 3? Also the same is true in dvd's with i386 having 5 dvd's and 64 bit only having 1! Anyone know why? Thanks |
| 01:42.04 | avu | Gokee2, you're looking wrong, it's 32 CDs in both cases |
| 01:42.16 | avu | Gokee2, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/ |
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| 01:42.45 | kittonian | hi all |
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| 01:43.34 | kittonian | can anyone tell me a great web based calendar server to use so that multiple people can have separate logins and organize their schedules together? |
| 01:44.19 | uskerine | how can i recompile the lenny 2.6.26 kernel? |
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| 01:44.59 | Gokee2 | avu, Ah, I went and clicked ia64! Thanks :) |
| 01:45.58 | \amethyst | kittonian: maybe kronolith2, but I haven't used it |
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| 01:46.36 | jetole | kittonian, it's been a while since I have looked at this so my answer may not be too up to date but I think opengroupware is a good place to look and regardless I think groupware in general, regardless of whom makes it, may be the best way to go IMHO |
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| 01:48.12 | kittonian | cool, thanks. i'll take a look right now |
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| 01:51.37 | multi_io | how could I produce a kernel source .config file that reflects exactly the configuration of the currently running kernel? |
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| 01:52.12 | \amethyst | multi_io: unless you configured the kernel with /proc/config.gz support, then no |
| 01:52.33 | \amethyst | multi_io: is this a debian kernel? because they ship with /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 01:52.54 | aanderse | say i tried to install a program from apt-get but it failed somehow, then i decided i don't want to install that app but it says i need to run apt-get -f install to fix my app (but that would install the app i don't want) how do i fix my apt-get without installing the app i don't want? |
| 01:53.30 | multi_io | \amethyst: aaah :-P |
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| 01:53.48 | multi_io | yes it is a Debian kernel. I have that file too |
| 01:53.49 | multi_io | thanks |
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| 01:55.49 | aixenv | ok got lspci installed and sure enough same hardware/same nic/same revision |
| 01:55.52 | multi_io | what I really want to do is compile the nvidia kernel module for the running kernel or a kernel compilede with the same configuration. is the kernel-headers package (and appropriate dev packages) sufficient for that? |
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| 01:57.54 | multi_io | aanderse: you can try to resolve that interactively using aptitude |
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| 01:58.54 | aanderse | i basically just want to cancel install of the software, i'm not overly familiar with aptitude... |
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| 02:00.47 | orudie | how can i check wich version i have installed 32 or 64 bit |
| 02:01.04 | multi_io | uname -a |
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| 02:04.15 | ugly | so I have a data CDR that I want to backup as an ISO image, but want something more reliable than 'dd', does anyone have a recomendation? |
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| 02:06.46 | jetscreamer | what couold be more reliable than dd? |
| 02:07.12 | jhutchins | ugly: Yeah, how more reliable? |
| 02:07.21 | jetscreamer | i've never had it fail or even ever heard of it failing.... |
| 02:07.23 | jhutchins | dd it, md5sum it if you're in doubt. |
| 02:08.00 | ugly | jhutchins: how would I md5sum the original? |
| 02:08.29 | ugly | jetscreamer: if it has any sort of read error, the program quits and doesn't seem to let you know |
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| 02:08.42 | jetscreamer | -vv ? |
| 02:08.49 | ugly | only happens with CDs/DVDs |
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| 02:08.57 | jetscreamer | i forget .. the extra verbose |
| 02:09.11 | ugly | dd does not take a verbose option, according to the man page |
| 02:09.39 | aixenv | ok i figured it out |
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| 02:09.46 | aixenv | apparentl it's just some bug |
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| 02:10.45 | aixenv | i nuked all the /lib/firmware/bnx2* on the "new server" extracted the working files from the "old server" .. and then copied over the *.ko files related to bnx2* into their kernel/drivers/net/ dir and then it still fails on boot, but then you 'rmmod bnx2 && modprobe -r bnx2 && modprobe bnx2' and voila eth0.. hopefully that's fixed soon |
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| 02:12.57 | nvz | ugly: what species are you? |
| 02:13.27 | ugly | prawn |
| 02:13.32 | nvz | If my eyes do not decieve me, you came in here asking a question then quoted a manpage.. |
| 02:13.49 | nvz | unbelievable |
| 02:14.07 | jetscreamer | i must be thinking of dd_rhelp then, you're apparently right, no verbose |
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| 02:14.23 | nvz | jetscreamer: the nerve of that guy.. reading manpages.. |
| 02:14.26 | ugly | I've been using Debian for 10 years, just wanted to know if someone had a recommendation (in the past I've just gambled with dd) |
| 02:14.41 | livingdaylight | guys: just logged into my debian install for first time. I get The panel encounted a problem while loading "OAFIID: GNOME_Indicator Applet" |
| 02:14.42 | livingdaylight | do i delete? |
| 02:14.47 | jetscreamer | does that make you a potato head? |
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| 02:15.37 | jetscreamer | or dd_rescue |
| 02:15.47 | jetscreamer | try one of those? :) |
| 02:15.55 | jetscreamer | front ends to dd |
| 02:16.07 | nvz | livingdaylight: I hate when that happens. its up to you really.. |
| 02:16.31 | livingdaylight | what does it mean? |
| 02:16.33 | nvz | livingdaylight: for whatever reason the applet failed to start, leaving it and not fixing the problem means it will keep showing the error when you login |
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| 02:16.46 | livingdaylight | ok, delete it agues |
| 02:16.49 | nvz | livingdaylight: deleting it from your panel will stop the error |
| 02:17.44 | nvz | livingdaylight: this should not be happening on a fresh stable install.. could be gnome-settings-daemon not starting, could be the applet isnt properly installed.. who knows |
| 02:18.20 | nvz | livingdaylight: how are things going otherwise? |
| 02:18.33 | livingdaylight | nvz, just doing updates right now |
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| 02:18.54 | livingdaylight | nvz, i suspect the cause is having kept my /home partition |
| 02:18.57 | nvz | livingdaylight: is your network stuff all working right now that its installed? |
| 02:19.05 | nvz | livingdaylight: actually that would do it |
| 02:19.14 | livingdaylight | oh, haven't installed network manager yet, still on network cable |
| 02:19.19 | nvz | livingdaylight: settings from gnome on another distro in your home dir would do it |
| 02:19.28 | nvz | livingdaylight: network manager should be in there already |
| 02:19.34 | livingdaylight | yup, ok, so I'm not worried |
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| 02:23.46 | nvz | you should see some kind of network icon up near your gnome indication area in the top right |
| 02:24.00 | nvz | indicating the network-manager framework is installed |
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| 02:38.20 | yaowla | Openoffice hangs when I activate SCIM. can anyone help? |
| 02:39.22 | markybob | dont activate SCIM |
| 02:39.49 | yaowla | i want to input Chinese in openoffice. |
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| 02:40.25 | nvz | yaowla: what distro are you using? |
| 02:40.36 | yaowla | debian, of course. |
| 02:40.43 | nvz | more specifically |
| 02:40.49 | yaowla | debian lenny |
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| 02:41.15 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm having problems with getting an ip address can anyone provide assistance |
| 02:41.33 | nvz | yaowla: can you pastebin an strace of this happening? |
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| 02:42.23 | yaowla | nvz: thks for the help, but that would be another day. i am in a hurry to fix this. |
| 02:42.47 | Seth_Hikaru | nvz |
| 02:43.14 | nvz | heh, then its not going to get fixed |
| 02:43.24 | Seth_Hikaru | I need some help with my network connection indebian |
| 02:43.35 | nvz | you said that twice already |
| 02:43.35 | Seth_Hikaru | in debian* |
| 02:43.45 | nvz | can you reword it indicating the actual problem |
| 02:43.53 | nvz | instead of just being redundant |
| 02:44.19 | Seth_Hikaru | well I assume you remember part of my story |
| 02:44.24 | Seth_Hikaru | anyway |
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| 02:44.46 | deluge | How do I figure out where a progrm is installed on a debian? |
| 02:45.00 | deluge | I compiled mpd manually but I have no idea where it put it. |
| 02:45.04 | rgr | deluge: lock at the propertes in synaptic. |
| 02:45.06 | rgr | look |
| 02:45.11 | rgr | is one way |
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| 02:45.20 | deluge | rgr: It's a CLI server. |
| 02:45.22 | rgr | deluge: sudo make install |
| 02:45.23 | deluge | I'm using putty atm |
| 02:45.23 | nvz | sure, I remember the part where I've been away from this terminal watchin californication for the last 2 hours on another machine |
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| 02:45.36 | rgr | it iwll put it in local most probably. |
| 02:45.37 | markybob | deluge, deluge would be in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/deluge |
| 02:45.47 | deluge | markybob: This is MPD |
| 02:45.53 | Seth_Hikaru | My wired network keeps assigning its self a self assigned ip addres when i tell it dhcp |
| 02:45.57 | markybob | deluge then you need a new nick |
| 02:46.09 | deluge | markybob: It's my computer's host name... It's a seed box. Sorry |
| 02:46.12 | deluge | I'm using IRSSI |
| 02:46.15 | deluge | I found it1 |
| 02:46.18 | deluge | It was in local |
| 02:46.18 | nvz | Seth_Hikaru: thats what dhcp does, it assigns addresses automatically |
| 02:46.19 | rgr | deluge: you mean the music daemon mpd? |
| 02:46.34 | deluge | rgr: Yes, speaking of which... How do I get it to stream using httpd? |
| 02:46.37 | nvz | Seth_Hikaru: so in other words, its working properly |
| 02:46.48 | Sarago | how do I ignore quits and joins in IRSSI? |
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| 02:47.22 | rgr | nvz: not according to shat he said no. He said it gets a self assigned ip, not from from dhcp. |
| 02:47.35 | Seth_Hikaru | No my wired network keeps switching back to roaming every time i change it to dhcp |
| 02:47.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Sarago: /help in irssi |
| 02:48.11 | Seth_Hikaru | it keeps assigning itself an ip address that is not valid |
| 02:48.18 | nvz | I have no idea what you're talking about. roaming is a term I associate with my cell phone, has no meaning to me what so ever in this context |
| 02:48.19 | rgr | s/shat/what .. another unfortunate typo. |
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| 02:48.33 | rgr | nvz: it has a well defined meaning in networking. |
| 02:48.44 | Seth_Hikaru | nvz do you actually use debian |
| 02:48.47 | nvz | all the more reason he should not have directed it at me |
| 02:49.00 | rgr | nvz: he didn't. |
| 02:49.02 | nvz | Yes, both the machines in front of me are running debian |
| 02:49.15 | Seth_Hikaru | Gui or command line |
| 02:49.16 | nvz | rgr: strange cause my nick was highlighted by him |
| 02:49.24 | nvz | both |
| 02:49.27 | rgr | Seth_Hikaru: did you have wireless on this machine running? |
| 02:49.31 | Seth_Hikaru | no |
| 02:49.33 | Seth_Hikaru | wired |
| 02:49.41 | Seth_Hikaru | its a a server |
| 02:49.47 | rgr | what network manager are you using? |
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| 02:50.07 | nvz | this is a synergy station so obviously it has GUI, I'm using irssi, so obviously I also use the terminal apps |
| 02:50.09 | Seth_Hikaru | um i have no idea |
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| 02:50.47 | Seth_Hikaru | nm-applet 0.6.6 |
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| 02:51.31 | Seth_Hikaru | Did you get that rgr? |
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| 02:52.38 | Seth_Hikaru | rgr? |
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| 02:55.51 | rgr | Seth_Hikaru: sorry. my emacs just froze. :( |
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| 02:55.58 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 02:56.20 | rgr | bloody emacs daemon keeps freezing on this laptop. |
| 02:56.30 | Seth_Hikaru | so are u back now |
| 02:56.33 | rgr | anyway, what is providing dhcp? Your router? |
| 02:56.39 | Seth_Hikaru | no isp |
| 02:56.54 | rgr | you dont go through a router? |
| 02:57.02 | Seth_Hikaru | no |
| 02:57.05 | Seth_Hikaru | switch |
| 02:57.10 | rgr | are you thinking of dns here? |
| 02:57.13 | Seth_Hikaru | no |
| 02:57.23 | Seth_Hikaru | i know what im doing |
| 02:57.26 | rgr | ok. |
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| 02:57.37 | Seth_Hikaru | my server board burnt up |
| 02:57.47 | rgr | and you did your checks in your /etc/interfaces file? |
| 02:58.03 | Seth_Hikaru | but after i replaced it started having these problems |
| 02:58.17 | _adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.26 | rgr | _adb: yes, thanks. |
| 02:58.28 | Seth_Hikaru | let me check |
| 02:58.32 | _Trinity_ | Hi all. has anyone had trouble pinging out after closing down ufw? Do IO have to reserve a ping port? ICMP? And what might this be? |
| 02:59.10 | Seth_Hikaru | ok and whats interfaces supposed to look like |
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| 03:00.00 | _adb | aptitude install pastebinit , pastebinit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:00.01 | rgr | ask google that. compare to what you have. but something like "iface eth0 inet dhcp" is in mine. |
| 03:00.21 | rgr | but I never used a raw switch I must admit. |
| 03:00.40 | Seth_Hikaru | welll its just a simple dynex |
| 03:00.54 | Seth_Hikaru | brand |
| 03:01.09 | Seth_Hikaru | ignore the switch |
| 03:01.20 | Seth_Hikaru | it always works |
| 03:02.10 | Seth_Hikaru | i also have allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 03:02.24 | _adb | Seth_Hikaru, ask your IPS a modem/router |
| 03:02.35 | _adb | as usually .. |
| 03:02.50 | rgr | but I dont understand what is providing the dhcp services here |
| 03:02.58 | Seth_Hikaru | screw my isp |
| 03:03.04 | Seth_Hikaru | the cable modem |
| 03:03.11 | rgr | huh?? |
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| 03:03.30 | rgr | you mean you have a router/modem device? |
| 03:04.00 | Seth_Hikaru | ok i have a cable modem from the isp that connects to the switch |
| 03:04.05 | _adb | sure he have .. |
| 03:04.05 | _adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.06 | MAd_haTTer | what do you mean "roaming" |
| 03:04.28 | Seth_Hikaru | well open nm_applet and find out |
| 03:04.33 | rgr | So what is doing this dhcp? Your ISP surely is not? Or? |
| 03:04.52 | Seth_Hikaru | my isp is the dhcp server |
| 03:04.56 | MAd_haTTer | 22:04 < Seth_Hikaru> well open nm_applet and find out -- that for me? |
| 03:05.07 | Seth_Hikaru | yes |
| 03:05.07 | rgr | ducks |
| 03:05.13 | MAd_haTTer | I do not use gui to manage my nics.. |
| 03:05.25 | MAd_haTTer | whats the probonono Seth_Hikaru |
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| 03:05.39 | Seth_Hikaru | i have no fing idea |
| 03:05.46 | MAd_haTTer | very true |
| 03:05.47 | Seth_Hikaru | something |
| 03:05.59 | MAd_haTTer | remove the switch |
| 03:06.12 | Seth_Hikaru | ive been at a loss as to why it didnt fix itself |
| 03:06.17 | MAd_haTTer | cable modem <-> computer |
| 03:06.19 | rgr | fix what? |
| 03:06.27 | Seth_Hikaru | the network |
| 03:06.40 | Seth_Hikaru | my server board was replaced |
| 03:06.51 | rgr | Seth_Hikaru: iin all fairness it doesnt sound like you really know what the problem is. Are you even online at all? |
| 03:07.03 | MAd_haTTer | ping... |
| 03:07.05 | Seth_Hikaru | no |
| 03:07.06 | rgr | forget your server board. |
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| 03:07.13 | Seth_Hikaru | i trird pigs |
| 03:07.20 | Seth_Hikaru | Lol |
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| 03:07.28 | Seth_Hikaru | tried pings* |
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| 03:07.47 | MAd_haTTer | Seth_Hikaru: are you trying to get more then 1 computer online at the same time? |
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| 03:07.52 | Seth_Hikaru | yes |
| 03:07.56 | rgr | damn this emacs on this damn laptop. What gnome based irc client can you recommend? |
| 03:08.07 | Seth_Hikaru | ive never had a problem doing so |
| 03:08.15 | MAd_haTTer | do 'ifconfig' on the working computer and post response |
| 03:08.22 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 03:08.35 | craigevil | rgr: xchat if you must have a GUI irc client, if not use irssi |
| 03:08.47 | MAd_haTTer | if you have a public ip on your computer, it changes things |
| 03:08.49 | Seth_Hikaru | xchat recommended |
| 03:09.03 | Seth_Hikaru | define public |
| 03:09.11 | Seth_Hikaru | u mean for all to see |
| 03:09.13 | MAd_haTTer | if you have a privet ip, typically 192.168.1.x, then this can be made to work |
| 03:09.19 | Seth_Hikaru | no public |
| 03:09.27 | flourish | can someone suggest a nice forum all about adminitration, with google i found one http://www.sysadmintalk.com/, but it seems haven't been used for years;-( |
| 03:09.31 | MAd_haTTer | public ips are not in rfc 1918 |
| 03:09.36 | MAd_haTTer | 1918 right? |
| 03:09.58 | Seth_Hikaru | but it keeps assigning its self a private address |
| 03:10.07 | Seth_Hikaru | rfc 1918? |
| 03:10.12 | MAd_haTTer | 10.x.y.z, 172.16-32.x.y, 192.168.x.y are privet |
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| 03:10.18 | markybob | flourish, http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 03:10.19 | MAd_haTTer | noty internet routable |
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| 03:10.23 | Seth_Hikaru | i know |
| 03:10.33 | MAd_haTTer | public is everthing else |
| 03:10.43 | Seth_Hikaru | i know |
| 03:10.46 | MAd_haTTer | what is the ip of the system you are on ( |
| 03:11.07 | ttick | anyone know where Openoffice.org and iceweasel get their font information for their menus? |
| 03:11.21 | Seth_Hikaru | 169.254.82.205 |
| 03:11.36 | flourish | markybob: thanks, this one is about howtos:-) |
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| 03:11.48 | MAd_haTTer | ?! |
| 03:11.49 | Seth_Hikaru | but i have no idea where its getting that ip |
| 03:12.00 | Seth_Hikaru | its making it up itself |
| 03:12.14 | Seth_Hikaru | question |
| 03:12.19 | MAd_haTTer | that looks like the stupid microsoft auto privet ips |
| 03:12.20 | _adb | your dhcp is not runing .. |
| 03:12.31 | Seth_Hikaru | what |
| 03:12.32 | MAd_haTTer | _adb: perhapos. |
| 03:12.40 | MAd_haTTer | ok 1 sec.. |
| 03:12.42 | Seth_Hikaru | dhcp service? |
| 03:13.02 | MAd_haTTer | when you boot a windiows system, and it is configured to use DHCP.. |
| 03:13.09 | Seth_Hikaru | yes |
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| 03:13.29 | MAd_haTTer | if no dhcp responce is given, you will get an ip auto assigned anyware in that range |
| 03:13.33 | rgr | Seth_Hikaru: you said you ISP provides it. Wierd. Are you sure your modem is not really a router/dhcp server?? |
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| 03:13.46 | Seth_Hikaru | im positive |
| 03:14.06 | MAd_haTTer | Seth_Hikaru: how meny nics are in the system you are using now |
| 03:14.12 | MAd_haTTer | many |
| 03:14.20 | Seth_Hikaru | because ive remote desktopped to my computers in my hous before |
| 03:14.22 | Seth_Hikaru | 2 |
| 03:14.29 | MAd_haTTer | what is the ip of the other |
| 03:14.37 | Seth_Hikaru | im only using 1 for now |
| 03:14.56 | Seth_Hikaru | do u want me to plug the other one in |
| 03:15.20 | _adb | try it |
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| 03:15.25 | MAd_haTTer | I can not see how you are on line now.. |
| 03:15.36 | Seth_Hikaru | cause im kinda womdering if my cable is bad |
| 03:15.56 | shamrock | how would a bad cable cause your NM to tell you you are roaming?? |
| 03:16.39 | MAd_haTTer | wtf is roaming.. |
| 03:16.39 | _adb | "roaming" ... for a wired ..that's exist ? |
| 03:17.04 | MAd_haTTer | perhaps XP is a good idea.. |
| 03:17.32 | MAd_haTTer | ubunto = the devel of linux.. |
| 03:17.38 | MAd_haTTer | devil* |
| 03:18.02 | MAd_haTTer | makes people think linux is for anyone |
| 03:18.16 | MAd_haTTer | ditch you gui nic management |
| 03:18.25 | MAd_haTTer | read man ifconfig and man dhclient |
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| 03:18.48 | MAd_haTTer | do dmesg |grep eth to find your nics |
| 03:18.56 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 03:19.07 | MAd_haTTer | then ifconfig ethX up && dhclient ethX |
| 03:19.12 | vagothcpp | Hey, I'm running Openbox WM. whenever i logout it scales my screen to only show the left side, in GDM, then when I log back in, its still scaled. Any way to fix this? |
| 03:20.40 | MAd_haTTer | then ifconfig ethX up && dhclient ethX -- Seth_Hikaru this will tell your computer to turn on ethX, and since you need dhcp, you tell dhcpclient to ask for an address for ethX |
| 03:21.52 | MAd_haTTer | ifconfig can do anything you need (execpt request a dhcp lease) for a nic |
| 03:22.10 | MAd_haTTer | vagothcpp: sorry no idea, i use fluxbox only |
| 03:22.23 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 03:22.34 | vagothcpp | Well ill try install my gfx card drivers |
| 03:22.36 | vagothcpp | bbim |
| 03:23.05 | MAd_haTTer | Seth_Hikaru: here is an example.. ifconfig ethX inet 192.168.1.100 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
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| 03:24.03 | MAd_haTTer | that will tell your ifconfig to assign ipv4 address 192.168.1.100 to your nic (ethX) and use netmask 255.255.255.0 so it knows the boundrys of the network |
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| 03:25.05 | MAd_haTTer | you would also need to add a default route.. also easy.. route add default gw (ip or your cable modem likely 192.168.1.1) |
| 03:25.11 | MAd_haTTer | ref - man route |
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| 03:25.34 | MAd_haTTer | there are lots of good guides online just google linux networking |
| 03:25.37 | MAd_haTTer | hth |
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| 03:27.28 | Seth_Hikaru | sorry |
| 03:27.28 | MAd_haTTer | Seth_Hikaru: your using a wireless wan card? |
| 03:27.34 | Seth_Hikaru | no wired |
| 03:27.47 | Seth_Hikaru | im using a phone for irc |
| 03:27.55 | MAd_haTTer | ohh ok |
| 03:27.58 | MAd_haTTer | so yes |
| 03:28.00 | MAd_haTTer | ;) |
| 03:28.15 | Seth_Hikaru | ok i night have a solution |
| 03:28.21 | MAd_haTTer | myvzw.com = verizon wireless ip space |
| 03:28.42 | MAd_haTTer | so you have no computer that is online.. |
| 03:28.57 | Seth_Hikaru | yes i do |
| 03:29.01 | Seth_Hikaru | its my dads |
| 03:29.05 | MAd_haTTer | 22:27 < Seth_Hikaru> im using a phone for irc -- this would have been much easier if you said that ~10 min ago |
| 03:29.13 | Seth_Hikaru | ok sorry |
| 03:29.17 | Seth_Hikaru | heheh |
| 03:29.20 | MAd_haTTer | all good |
| 03:29.28 | Seth_Hikaru | i guess your right |
| 03:29.36 | MAd_haTTer | is your dads on that switch with the cable modem? |
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| 03:29.46 | Seth_Hikaru | yes |
| 03:29.49 | MAd_haTTer | XP? |
| 03:29.56 | Seth_Hikaru | yes |
| 03:29.58 | MAd_haTTer | can you use it? |
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| 03:30.04 | Seth_Hikaru | no |
| 03:30.11 | MAd_haTTer | awwwww |
| 03:30.14 | MAd_haTTer | downer |
| 03:30.21 | Seth_Hikaru | i fuck up his computer he says |
| 03:30.31 | MAd_haTTer | lmfao.. i remember those days.. |
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| 03:30.38 | Seth_Hikaru | i know |
| 03:30.40 | rgr | weird, I cant see where to set the port in xchat for an irc server. |
| 03:30.46 | Seth_Hikaru | i actually fix it |
| 03:31.06 | Seth_Hikaru | but he doesnt see it that way |
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| 03:31.17 | MAd_haTTer | well it;s all perspective.. |
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| 03:31.44 | MAd_haTTer | remember that ip you posted |
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| 03:31.48 | Seth_Hikaru | im going to type with my fingers now on my phone so please mind my mkstakes |
| 03:32.00 | Seth_Hikaru | its touchscreen only |
| 03:32.13 | Seth_Hikaru | yex madhatter i do |
| 03:32.13 | MAd_haTTer | Seth_Hikaru: ohh it's not me you need to worry about.. ;) |
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| 03:32.29 | Seth_Hikaru | i remember that ip |
| 03:32.38 | Seth_Hikaru | what ablout it |
| 03:32.40 | MAd_haTTer | that computer did not get a dhcp addressm and autoassigned that ip |
| 03:33.14 | Seth_Hikaru | yes |
| 03:33.15 | MAd_haTTer | the problem might be that you are trying to do the impossible |
| 03:33.23 | Seth_Hikaru | huh |
| 03:33.34 | Seth_Hikaru | which is |
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| 03:34.05 | cheako | Hello, is there a way I can move /tmp off the root fs? I think I've done this in the past. |
| 03:34.09 | Seth_Hikaru | whats the impossob,e |
| 03:34.30 | Seth_Hikaru | mad hatter |
| 03:35.12 | Seth_Hikaru | before my servers system board burnt up i had no problems getting a public ip |
| 03:36.13 | Seth_Hikaru | i think it has to do with the way it recogmized the new hardware on the boars |
| 03:36.30 | simNIX | maybe new mac |
| 03:36.37 | Seth_Hikaru | even though everything is exactly the same |
| 03:36.44 | cheako | Seth_Hikaru: dhcp can be like that... simNIX. |
| 03:36.47 | simNIX | for sure but maybe its linked to old mac I meen |
| 03:37.04 | cheako | Seth_Hikaru: Could be hal makking trouble. |
| 03:37.09 | Seth_Hikaru | can i change it to the new mac |
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| 03:37.38 | MAd_haTTer | yes but dont |
| 03:37.43 | cheako | Seth_Hikaru: Yes, but it's likely better to update the DHCP server. |
| 03:37.43 | simNIX | or to the old if you knew it - to have your acount linked to the new one you need to ask isp |
| 03:37.55 | Seth_Hikaru | i thought i did in 7-persistent.net rules |
| 03:38.03 | MAd_haTTer | sorry, got distracted.. |
| 03:38.15 | Seth_Hikaru | no i dont have to my isp anything |
| 03:38.25 | MAd_haTTer | the impossible might be getting your cable modem to assign more then 1 ip |
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| 03:38.40 | Seth_Hikaru | i just plug stuff in and it works |
| 03:38.58 | Seth_Hikaru | no its very possible |
| 03:39.00 | eatnumber11 | I'm trying to get xattr working on an xfs filesystem, but it keeps giving me "Operation not supported" errors... |
| 03:39.08 | MAd_haTTer | have you *ever* with that cable modem had more then 1 computer online at the same time |
| 03:39.33 | Seth_Hikaru | yes |
| 03:39.45 | Seth_Hikaru | one time i had 6 |
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| 03:40.12 | eatnumber11 | sounds like hanky-panky to me |
| 03:40.22 | Seth_Hikaru | okkkk |
| 03:40.38 | Seth_Hikaru | no idea what that means |
| 03:41.00 | MAd_haTTer | your old man awake? |
| 03:41.18 | MAd_haTTer | Seth_Hikaru: ^ |
| 03:41.29 | Seth_Hikaru | is there anyway to reset my interfaces and such |
| 03:41.33 | Seth_Hikaru | yes he is |
| 03:41.45 | MAd_haTTer | what I am getting at is reboot the cable modem |
| 03:41.51 | abrotman | maybe he should ask his ISP? |
| 03:41.56 | MAd_haTTer | just make sure you have shit right first |
| 03:42.06 | cheako | eatnumber11: You might want to update libxattr. |
| 03:42.14 | Seth_Hikaru | oh they dont care |
| 03:42.33 | abrotman | but your cable modem doesn't run Debian |
| 03:42.36 | Seth_Hikaru | at least i think |
| 03:42.48 | Seth_Hikaru | ill go reset it |
| 03:43.29 | MAd_haTTer | abrotman: valid point, but do you think they will say "sure you can do it just plug everything into a switch", because my guess is that they will be like "sure you can do that but first you need to by this 'router' from us..."? |
| 03:43.57 | abrotman | it has nothing to do with debian ... |
| 03:43.57 | MAd_haTTer | Seth_Hikaru: |
| 03:44.12 | Seth_Hikaru | no ive told them about the switch and rhey dont givd a shit |
| 03:44.16 | Seth_Hikaru | yes? |
| 03:44.23 | MAd_haTTer | the modem sure, im with ya abrotman |
| 03:44.24 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: call your ISP, this is not a #debian problem |
| 03:44.45 | Seth_Hikaru | i thnk it is |
| 03:44.58 | abrotman | okay, then prove you can do it with another OS/distro |
| 03:45.01 | eatnumber11 | cheako: actually, someone in #xfs helped me... it was an unrelated problem |
| 03:45.09 | Seth_Hikaru | my hardware is somehow miscommunicatimg with the os |
| 03:45.30 | eatnumber11 | wait a minute... Seth_Hikaru, what was the original problem? |
| 03:45.36 | MAd_haTTer | Seth_Hikaru: I do not thik that is really the best way to put it... |
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| 03:46.13 | Seth_Hikaru | ok possibly my my 70 persistent.net rules is screwed up |
| 03:46.23 | abrotman | it was screwed up two days ago .. |
| 03:47.00 | Seth_Hikaru | is there anyway to reset it and have it rewrite correct informationto it |
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| 03:47.42 | Seth_Hikaru | u have to be fuckong shitting me |
| 03:48.11 | Seth_Hikaru | i just reset my modem and now i got an ip address |
| 03:48.16 | MAd_haTTer | alright, abrotman has swayed me... Seth_Hikaru burn a copy of knoppix, turn everthing off, make sure everything is pluged into the switch, then turn on the cable modem, then the switch, then boot of knoppix cd, then boot your dads pc |
| 03:48.23 | eatnumber11 | oh |
| 03:48.23 | MAd_haTTer | yeah.. |
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| 03:48.27 | eatnumber11 | it wasn't giving you an ip? |
| 03:48.28 | MAd_haTTer | they cache macs |
| 03:48.34 | MAd_haTTer | only hold someny.. |
| 03:48.41 | MAd_haTTer | so many* |
| 03:48.42 | Seth_Hikaru | wow |
| 03:48.50 | Seth_Hikaru | modem=fail |
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| 03:49.03 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: please call your ISP, you're offtopic here |
| 03:49.11 | MAd_haTTer | no do us all the favor and go read man ifconfig ;) |
| 03:49.25 | Seth_Hikaru | well thamnks so much for all ur help guys |
| 03:49.26 | MAd_haTTer | now* |
| 03:49.41 | MAd_haTTer | nods |
| 03:49.44 | MAd_haTTer | gl |
| 03:50.14 | Seth_Hikaru | if u wouldnt have told me to reset my modem i probably would have never fixed this |
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| 03:50.38 | MAd_haTTer | I call it experience ;) |
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| 03:51.07 | Seth_Hikaru | from now on if i have any network problems of any simple sort im resseting my modem |
| 03:51.18 | eatnumber11 | anyone know if nfs supports xattrs? |
| 03:52.31 | MAd_haTTer | eatnumber11: dont know what xattrs is |
| 03:52.53 | MAd_haTTer | (so you know I am not ignoring you while I do not provide an answer) |
| 03:53.03 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:53.12 | eatnumber11 | MAd_haTTer: extended attributes... lets you assign arbitrary key/value pairs to files |
| 03:53.22 | Seth_Hikaru | oh i have one more question |
| 03:53.36 | Seth_Hikaru | why dont 3 lenny repos2 |
| 03:53.40 | Seth_Hikaru | work |
| 03:53.54 | abrotman | be less vague |
| 03:54.09 | MAd_haTTer | that like file permissions? ie chmod |
| 03:54.24 | Seth_Hikaru | ok um |
| 03:54.42 | Seth_Hikaru | tgey cant be contacted for some reason |
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| 03:54.57 | MAd_haTTer | fix your dns |
| 03:55.08 | Seth_Hikaru | i use open dns |
| 03:55.11 | MAd_haTTer | try ping 4.2.2.2 |
| 03:55.18 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 03:55.20 | MAd_haTTer | then try ping www.google.com |
| 03:55.35 | abrotman | jesus .. |
| 03:55.37 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: which mirrors? |
| 03:55.45 | Seth_Hikaru | ok they worked |
| 03:55.53 | abrotman | must have been the cable modem ... |
| 03:55.54 | Seth_Hikaru | um let me check |
| 03:56.00 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: nevermind . i don't care anymore .. have a good night |
| 03:56.03 | MAd_haTTer | what abrotman said then |
| 03:56.12 | MAd_haTTer | before that last one |
| 03:56.15 | MAd_haTTer | ;) |
| 03:56.18 | Seth_Hikaru | abrotman u bastard u do care |
| 03:56.33 | MAd_haTTer | take care abrotman |
| 03:56.42 | abrotman | !wud |
| 03:56.42 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 03:57.10 | Seth_Hikaru | wtf |
| 03:57.33 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 03:57.41 | MAd_haTTer | Seth_Hikaru: can you ping .... aandrtech.net? |
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| 03:57.56 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: it's already fixed .. drop it |
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| 03:58.33 | Seth_Hikaru | main/source/sources, contrib/souce/sources |
| 03:58.44 | Seth_Hikaru | dont work |
| 03:58.49 | MAd_haTTer | even better, now I can go back to what I was going |
| 03:58.54 | Seth_Hikaru | im using lenny |
| 03:59.13 | Seth_Hikaru | wait why the hell am i using my phone to do this |
| 03:59.14 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: is it working or not? |
| 03:59.25 | Seth_Hikaru | what working |
| 03:59.44 | abrotman | so everything is working perfectly? |
| 03:59.57 | Seth_Hikaru | yes |
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| 04:01.11 | MAd_haTTer | hey Seth_Hikaru just out of courisoty... on that system that had that 169.254 ip, what is the ip now (do 'ifconfig') |
| 04:02.49 | Seth_Hikaru | 96.3.8...... wait why the hell would i post my ip for all to see |
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| 04:03.29 | MAd_haTTer | that was all i needed |
| 04:03.39 | Seth_Hikaru | my ip? |
| 04:03.51 | markybob | Seth_Hikaru, uh, because we can find out, anyway? /whois Seth_Hikaru |
| 04:03.59 | Seth_Hikaru | bullshiy |
| 04:04.09 | markybob | Seth_Hikaru, your ip means shit. grow a brain |
| 04:04.10 | Seth_Hikaru | im using a mobile phone |
| 04:04.39 | Seth_Hikaru | i did grow a brain long time ago |
| 04:05.00 | Seth_Hikaru | well |
| 04:05.02 | Seth_Hikaru | later |
| 04:08.01 | Sarago | does anyone know of a dreamweaver like application for linux? |
| 04:08.01 | Sarago | closest i've been able to find is eclipse with aptana installed |
| 04:08.04 | markybob | Sarago, there isnt anything as advanced as dreamweaver for linux |
| 04:09.12 | abrotman | the mozilla composer thing is okay .. but nothing as advanced |
| 04:09.35 | abrotman | it ultimately depends how many features you need from dreamweaver |
| 04:11.35 | Sarago | looking for coding and upload in same application mostly, templating would be nice too |
| 04:12.03 | Diagoras | do you mean with wysiwyg? |
| 04:12.06 | Sarago | would want code support for php, asp, etc |
| 04:12.13 | Sarago | I don't need wysiwyg |
| 04:12.25 | markybob | asp? in linux? are you sane? |
| 04:12.38 | Diagoras | well aptana/eclipse then |
| 04:13.05 | Sarago | markybob: my webservers are not all linux but my workstation is |
| 04:13.11 | abrotman | oh, bluefish is decent |
| 04:13.26 | abrotman | markybob: FWIW, they've done ASP.NET in Mono |
| 04:13.39 | markybob | bluefish is about as close to dreamweaver as gedit is microsoft word |
| 04:14.13 | abrotman | markybob: he wants syntax highlighting, not wysiwyg |
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| 04:15.53 | abrotman | though i can't recall if bluefish does ASP, but anjuta does .. |
| 04:16.09 | Sarago | i'll have to check both of those out |
| 04:16.19 | abrotman | i don't see it in the bluefish list |
| 04:16.32 | Sarago | link checking? |
| 04:16.40 | abrotman | no idea .. never used it |
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| 04:16.49 | abrotman | or rather .. never looked for it |
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| 04:18.40 | Sarago | anjuta looks like it's trying to model visual studio |
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| 04:19.50 | abrotman | yeah .. it's a bit more of a full programmers tool box i guess, where as bluefish is more for webstuff |
| 04:20.18 | Sarago | basicly looking for code editing with syntax highlighting, and ability to create sites and remote file transfer features where I can say sync and it automatically sends what has been updated |
| 04:21.01 | Sarago | being able to create a template for pages and then create pages from that template so every page starts with the same base structure |
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| 04:21.46 | simNIX | Sarago mybe have a go at a cms like modx / typo3 / etc ? |
| 04:22.57 | simNIX | lots of demos can be found on: http://php.opensourcecms.com/scripts/show.php?catid=all&cat=All%20Scripts |
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| 04:23.36 | simNIX | smply put; feed it a template and the extentions you like and all you do is in word like screen add contents |
| 04:24.39 | Sarago | simNIX: thanks |
| 04:24.46 | simNIX | yw |
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| 04:35.50 | civillian | Hi all. Does anyone here use Dante SOCKS server on debian? |
| 04:36.31 | hologram | now that's just silly. |
| 04:38.37 | civillian | hologram: are you talking to me? |
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| 04:39.21 | hologram | no i'm sorry that was directed at the other gentleman |
| 04:39.32 | civillian | hologram: oh :) |
| 04:39.56 | hologram | we try not to let civillians be caught in the crossfire but it happens sometimes :D |
| 04:40.07 | civillian | hologram: heheh, collateral damage |
| 04:40.15 | hologram | man down! |
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| 04:46.23 | simNIX | but bucks made ;-) |
| 04:46.31 | nvz | alright.. enough fun and games, put your puns away, this is a support zone! |
| 04:46.39 | simNIX | oki - |
| 04:47.34 | nvz | ...says the pot calling the kettle black |
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| 04:54.03 | ttick | I just installed sun-java6-jdk. And now I'm running an app that takes about 170meg. however, the JVM grabbed 936M according to 'top'. Anyone know where the debian setting is to make the default JVM a bit . . . smaller? |
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| 04:55.50 | nvz | we keep it in the kitchen right next to the hot sauce |
| 04:56.13 | ttick | how do I edit the hot sauce? |
| 04:56.18 | nvz | not a bad question, but hard to answer |
| 04:56.37 | nvz | I just chalk that shit up as a consequence of running java apps |
| 04:56.59 | ttick | eating 1/3 of my machine is a bit much. |
| 04:57.07 | nvz | I'm fairly sure a it was java that caused the kernel panic on my netbook earlier |
| 04:57.59 | ttick | dpkg jvm |
| 04:57.59 | dpkg | from memory, jvm is Java Virtual Machine. deb ftp://ftp.tux.org/pub/java/debian woody non-free |
| 04:58.11 | ttick | dpkg sun-java6 |
| 04:58.12 | dpkg | ttick: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 04:58.21 | nvz | personally I have no idea where to begin on such an issue but I'd be looking into trying other VMs to see what if any the difference is in that regard |
| 04:58.48 | nvz | not to mention getting to the bottom of why exactly the footprint is so large if I were to try and reduce it |
| 04:59.07 | ttick | dpkg :-P |
| 04:59.08 | dpkg | ttick: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 04:59.33 | ttick | you'd think it would be in /etc/java-6-sun/jvm.cfg but alas, no. |
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| 05:00.51 | nvz | I don't think its as simple as lifting the hood and seeing a fixed/broken switch |
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| 05:03.23 | simNIX | woody ? |
| 05:03.39 | nvz | na, I just rubbed one off |
| 05:04.23 | simNIX | cant ulimit help ? |
| 05:04.34 | \amethyst | ttick: according to which column in 'top'? |
| 05:04.35 | simNIX | its not a fix more a limit ... |
| 05:05.02 | ttick | VIRT is 935m |
| 05:05.04 | \amethyst | ttick: remember that VIRT includes memory-mapped files, even if they're not currently paged into memory |
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| 05:05.18 | simNIX | aha cached data ... |
| 05:05.31 | \amethyst | ttick: RES is a better measure of how much actual memory the program is using |
| 05:06.05 | ttick | okay, I'm trying to add up my memory to see why RAM of 3.1G, 2.6G is registered as 'used' |
| 05:06.17 | ttick | (for the whole system, that is). |
| 05:06.18 | \amethyst | ttick: what about buffers and cached? |
| 05:06.35 | simNIX | try free -m |
| 05:06.41 | nvz | unused ram is wasted ram |
| 05:06.49 | simNIX | and see as mentioned used or in buffer |
| 05:06.57 | ttick | free -m: Mem: 3033 2613 420 0 78 2140 |
| 05:07.02 | f00li5h | nvz: then why have any ram? |
| 05:07.11 | ttick | tot, used, free, shared, buffers, cached. |
| 05:07.12 | simNIX | cached |
| 05:07.15 | simNIX | so ok |
| 05:07.18 | simNIX | right ? |
| 05:07.48 | \amethyst | ttick: so of that 2.6 GB, 2.1 GB is being used as page cache |
| 05:07.49 | ttick | could you help me interpret what that means, 2.1G cached? |
| 05:07.56 | simNIX | as long a there is free ram Linux will simply put keep things in for if they are needed a second time simply put |
| 05:07.58 | nvz | what I'm saying is, ram not used by programs in memory should be getting used for shared files, data buffers and cached data or its useless to you |
| 05:08.04 | ttick | ah, okay, so it's just holding it in reserve? |
| 05:08.15 | \amethyst | ttick: it's using it to cache stuff that is on disk |
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| 05:08.31 | ttick | oh, okay. gotcha. thanks. That makes a lot of sense. |
| 05:08.33 | simNIX | nu maybe better put; utilizes it as long as its not needed |
| 05:08.51 | \amethyst | ttick: but if something else needs it, it will evict the least recently used pages from the cache |
| 05:09.15 | \amethyst | (I think it's actually a bit more complex than LRU, but the idea's the same) |
| 05:09.26 | ttick | smart, very smart. Unused RAM is used as a RAMdisk, then. Sneaky. |
| 05:10.50 | simNIX | or ram remebers as long as its not needed for new things ;0) |
| 05:12.20 | \amethyst | ttick: everything being read from disk has to go into memory anyway before the CPU can use it; Linux (and Windows and most modern OSes) keeps it around in case you want to "read from disk" the same thing again |
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| 05:12.32 | piper69 | howdy folks |
| 05:12.45 | nvz | howdy |
| 05:12.56 | simNIX | greetz |
| 05:13.02 | piper69 | is there is a software in debian i can you me and my friend to doodle notes while we study online |
| 05:13.04 | ttick | it makes sense -- but I didn't expect that to be calculated in the 'non-free' memory. |
| 05:13.25 | \amethyst | ttick: that's why 'free' displays two lines for memory usage |
| 05:13.32 | simNIX | pipermail maybe try mediawiki or opengoo |
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| 05:13.39 | \amethyst | ttick: the first line counts cache as used, the second line counts it as free |
| 05:14.04 | nvz | piper69: you guys should work on getting google wave accounts |
| 05:14.05 | ttick | okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the intel. |
| 05:14.06 | \amethyst | ttick: Windows always counts it as free, which is why people don't notice it there |
| 05:14.21 | simNIX | piper69, I ment ... |
| 05:14.41 | simNIX | ... piper69 also maybe try http://php.opensourcecms.com/scripts/show.php?catid=all&cat= many more web packages for that there |
| 05:14.57 | nvz | piper69: wont help you right now since its not fully open to public signup yet.. but its the best way to collaborate I've seen in a long time |
| 05:15.43 | nvz | I have an account, and about 7 invites left and as far as I know there are still requests for invites open |
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| 05:16.32 | simNIX | I rather dont have a midle man |
| 05:16.44 | simNIX | eventhough google has temprting services |
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| 05:17.26 | nvz | yeah I could see that, but the things you can do on that platform are seemingly endless and so far from my testing of it, its pretty amazing |
| 05:18.04 | \amethyst | I had a dream a year or two ago where I had the new Google handheld teleporter device. It was a tablet with gmaps on the screen, but you could click on a maker/waypoint and select "Teleport there" |
| 05:18.28 | piper69 | nvz: invite me then :) |
| 05:18.29 | simNIX | then I'd be selling my sould sorta say - ) |
| 05:18.31 | nvz | \amethyst: I don't dream, I just login to SecondLife.. heh |
| 05:18.32 | \amethyst | I hate to think what they were doing with the copies of people they had stored on their computers |
| 05:19.04 | simNIX | litle big brother parnoia at times here .. |
| 05:19.12 | nvz | piper69: I could do that.. been curious how long it takes for them to process invites at this stage in development |
| 05:19.32 | simNIX | and I got nothing specifc to hide but some thing I ilke to keep personal |
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| 05:19.56 | nvz | simNIX: I do as well, but google 1) already knows so much about me and all of us, and 2) don't seem to be evil |
| 05:20.21 | simNIX | no not noticed eavil more monopoly |
| 05:20.34 | simNIX | they brought us lots |
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| 05:20.58 | simNIX | only no freedom there = not sure ... |
| 05:21.00 | tck4 | i have a raid5 volume with 12TB. which filesystem should i use? mostly will be used for storing large archived backups.. ext3 or reiserfs? |
| 05:21.11 | simNIX | dang |
| 05:21.17 | JyZyXEL | or xfs |
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| 05:21.48 | JyZyXEL | xfs is good for large files |
| 05:21.50 | nvz | I hear that reiserfs is particularly good with lots of small files because of its dynamic cluster sizing |
| 05:22.12 | pickcoder | zfs |
| 05:22.22 | tck4 | yeah it is quite a dilemma |
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| 05:22.27 | nvz | !zfs |
| 05:22.27 | tck4 | ext3 is the tried & tested fs.. |
| 05:22.28 | dpkg | [zfs] http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/zfs/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS or http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
| 05:22.28 | \amethyst | I vote ZFS too, but not with Linux |
| 05:22.32 | tck4 | was leaning towards ext3. |
| 05:22.50 | pickcoder | there's a fuse implementation in sid |
| 05:22.58 | nvz | I'd never heard of ZFS I'm gonna have to do my homework on that one |
| 05:23.01 | JyZyXEL | ext3 is the safe way to go |
| 05:23.14 | pickcoder | zfs even has compression/decompression on-the-fly |
| 05:23.22 | simNIX | agrees on safe = ext3 |
| 05:23.31 | \amethyst | tck4: you'll need a large block size, though, if you want to be able to have a single 12 TiB filesystem |
| 05:23.34 | simNIX | but zfs longer has my atention |
| 05:23.44 | nvz | yeah I typically try stick with ext3 because it feels safer on having tools available to recover |
| 05:23.51 | \amethyst | pickcoder: and deduplication, though that's not in mainline Solaris yet |
| 05:23.52 | simNIX | yeah runnig snapshots while it runs |
| 05:24.10 | nvz | I heard XFS is a kind of filesystem that is most likely to overwrite most recently deleted files first |
| 05:24.22 | pickcoder | FAT16 ftw |
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| 05:24.41 | nvz | making recovery of accidentally deleted files essentially impossible |
| 05:24.41 | simNIX | if you adventures and got no dat to loose hey you only live once |
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| 05:24.46 | simNIX | at least so they say |
| 05:25.12 | nvz | pickcoder: heh, you know as well as anyone else here that FAT16 wont work on a 12TB partition |
| 05:25.12 | simNIX | (fat) |
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| 05:25.36 | pickcoder | "12TB volume" |
| 05:25.52 | pickcoder | how many 16-bit parts would that be |
| 05:25.54 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 05:26.15 | nvz | uh.. fat16 is what, 2gb max? |
| 05:26.22 | simNIX | wasnt fat16 512Mb max ? |
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| 05:26.26 | \amethyst | 2GiB |
| 05:26.31 | simNIX | beleive 32 was 2Gb |
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| 05:26.41 | simNIX | ok my bad |
| 05:26.53 | tck4 | wonder how long it will take to format the 12gb parition as ext3 ;p |
| 05:26.59 | simNIX | hehe |
| 05:27.03 | tck4 | *12tb i mean |
| 05:27.12 | simNIX | and I was thinking to burn it to dvds |
| 05:27.20 | simNIX | luxery |
| 05:27.23 | pickcoder | make it SSD and it won't take too long |
| 05:27.43 | nvz | seems like in my experience raids take longer than single disks of the same size to format |
| 05:27.50 | nvz | but I've never really used a true raid though |
| 05:28.50 | pickcoder | I've not really paid attention |
| 05:29.07 | Tapout | is there anything faster than.. gzip --fast on large text files? |
| 05:29.13 | nvz | a 1TB SSD will run you over $3000 |
| 05:29.17 | Tapout | gzip is the fastest eh? or perhaps something else is faster |
| 05:29.18 | pickcoder | bzip is pretty quick |
| 05:29.29 | nvz | as opposed to a 1TB SATA which is like $120 or so |
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| 05:30.13 | pickcoder | nvz: 128GB are available and there are 16-ch RAID controllers |
| 05:30.21 | pickcoder | it'll only take 6 controllers |
| 05:30.30 | nvz | heh |
| 05:30.56 | simNIX | I can only dream - ) |
| 05:31.09 | nvz | they have 1TB SSD's they're just expensive |
| 05:31.16 | simNIX | but hey when i started w a 170Mb hd with 32 Mb ram .. |
| 05:31.34 | nvz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/182865/1tb_ssd_drive_available_now_a_steal_at_just_over_3000.html |
| 05:31.38 | pickcoder | started with a C64 |
| 05:32.01 | pickcoder | is it MLC? |
| 05:32.19 | nvz | I think my very first computers were Atari PC, TI-99/4a, Apple IIC in that order |
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| 05:32.34 | JyZyXEL | i wonder how fast it is |
| 05:33.27 | JyZyXEL | its probably way way way slower than a regular HD |
| 05:33.54 | pickcoder | 13K IOPS |
| 05:34.01 | pickcoder | 260MB/s |
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| 05:34.24 | \amethyst | I'm pretty sure it's MLC |
| 05:34.54 | \amethyst | they do have 512GiB SLCs though |
| 05:34.58 | \amethyst | http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/solid_state_drives/ocz_z_drive_e84_pci_express_ssd |
| 05:35.14 | pickcoder | wonder how fast it would be under MFT |
| 05:35.20 | \amethyst | 750MB/s write, 16k IOPS (4K random) |
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| 05:35.42 | nvz | Am I the only geek that is starting to think I need a quick reference for the amount of TLAs out today? |
| 05:36.19 | \amethyst | nvz: apt-get install vera |
| 05:36.33 | simNIX | nah - your just curently the only one that admits that ;) |
| 05:36.54 | \amethyst | nvz: actually, it seems to be kind of out-of-date in places |
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| 05:37.08 | nvz | \amethyst: yeah the package info states it could be out of date |
| 05:37.24 | \amethyst | nvz: oddly, it has MLC but not SLC |
| 05:37.29 | nvz | \amethyst: need to just write an IRSSI plugin that cross-references acronyms with the website.. heh |
| 05:37.33 | \amethyst | nvz: or, rather, not that definition of SLC |
| 05:38.13 | nvz | or better yet can replace acronyms inline |
| 05:38.47 | pickcoder | bed time |
| 05:38.47 | JyZyXEL | "read and write speeds are about as fast as SATA 3Gb/sec will go!" |
| 05:39.00 | JyZyXEL | what the heck, last time i used a USB thumb drive it was painfully slow |
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| 05:39.11 | zinx | JyZyXEL: it still is |
| 05:39.16 | nvz | apparently USB 3.0 is out now.. last I read about it, it was just a drafted spec |
| 05:39.23 | zinx | JyZyXEL: SSDs are designed differently |
| 05:39.24 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: thumb drives are not only MLC, they're cheap slow MLC |
| 05:39.35 | zinx | and yeah, they use faster/higher quality parts |
| 05:39.36 | JyZyXEL | !MLC |
| 05:39.38 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: it's like comparing floppies to hard drives |
| 05:39.40 | simNIX | 3.0 seems to be already in some kernel of Linux |
| 05:39.45 | simNIX | while its not out yet - ) |
| 05:39.57 | nvz | it was only fairly recently most pcs and notebooks actually had 2.0 |
| 05:40.03 | zinx | 3.0 isn't going to make flash drives go faster |
| 05:40.03 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: MLC = multi-level cell flash, which is slower but cheaper than SLC (single-level cell) flash |
| 05:40.08 | simNIX | no |
| 05:40.10 | nvz | I mean it hit desktops long before it was common in laptops |
| 05:40.11 | zinx | it might make external usb hard drives go faster, though |
| 05:40.24 | simNIX | esata I went for now with |
| 05:40.36 | simNIX | for external backup |
| 05:41.23 | \amethyst | zinx: it won't make thumb drives faster, but there are SSDs that can saturate USB 2.0 |
| 05:42.36 | tck4 | with hardware raid controllers like dell's PERC, they have their own raid bios configuration that you enter during bootup with CTRL+R. if you configure say a raid5 volume with this, when you enter linux, it'll just show up as a single /dev/sda device? |
| 05:42.40 | tck4 | haven't worked with hardware raid controllers before.. only software raid with mdadm. |
| 05:42.57 | zinx | \amethyst: uhm, most conventional drives can saturate 2.0 |
| 05:43.08 | zinx | \amethyst: it goes 48MB/s maximum, theoretically |
| 05:43.31 | zinx | \amethyst: that's a far cry from the 80MB/s plus most conventional drives provide these days |
| 05:43.55 | zinx | \amethyst: or the 100MB/s that Gbit ethernet provides :P |
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| 05:45.10 | \amethyst | zinx: I was just complaining about using "flash drives" to mean only the cheap ones :P |
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| 05:45.45 | civillian | tck4: correct. Hardware RAID is virtually invisible to the underlying OS |
| 05:45.56 | civillian | tck4: that's why I prefer it :) |
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| 06:05.02 | simonrvn | hears crickets chirping |
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| 06:08.54 | nvz | simonrvn: beats hearing trolls chriping |
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| 06:09.09 | simonrvn | sure does |
| 06:10.32 | nvz | simonrvn: it does kinda depress me though when I'm bored and looking in here expecting to answer easy questions and there are none being asked.. heh |
| 06:10.55 | simonrvn | eh, i just go do something else =) |
| 06:11.14 | nvz | simonrvn: hence this bowl of spaghetti in my lap |
| 06:11.25 | simonrvn | there ya go :) |
| 06:11.47 | nvz | I could go on oftc too, but freenode feels more like home |
| 06:12.09 | hoo-hah | hi guys, when does $HOME get set in env? In trying to diagnose my cron+offlineimap problem, I tried to unset env vars with $ env -i offlineimap. The traceback reveals that $HOME is not known, hence $HOME/.netrc could not be found (I use it to store my imap auth credentials) |
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| 06:17.21 | simonrvn | it does, tbh |
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| 06:18.32 | nvz | idk when the whole switch of irc.debian.org happened, around the time greycat left.. there was a lot of drama here, and a lot of assholes.. and that may have scared off some newbies and whatnot.. |
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| 06:19.23 | nvz | but even though greycat didn't like me, I liked havin him around, he's really bright and I learned a lot from him.. and when I go to OFTC they seem to over compensate for the assholes here, and its all lovey dovey and crap |
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| 06:19.28 | nvz | just makes me wanna vomit |
| 06:20.02 | nvz | basically what I'm sayin is, I like you guys.. |
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| 06:20.31 | franki^ | i like you too nvz |
| 06:20.32 | franki^ | :P |
| 06:20.35 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:20.47 | nvz | I miss lilo like crazy though |
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| 06:21.17 | nvz | still feels kinda weird without him here |
| 06:21.46 | nvz | makes me sad just thinking about it.. and the f'n gnaa trolls |
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| 06:29.05 | nvz | I gotta go do something even if its wrong.. take my ipod for a walk to the corner in the rain and have a smoke. hoo's the only one with a question and sadly I have no clue wtf he's talkin about.. heh. No point sitting here watchin the joins/parts |
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| 06:31.47 | RYDeN | debian or ubuntu?? |
| 06:32.07 | Tully | why does debian use the 2.6.26 kernel, are there any major updates to code like the bridge drivers or such in the later releases? |
| 06:32.26 | zinx | because you're using stable? |
| 06:32.51 | Tully | well yes but are the later releases that much more unstable? |
| 06:33.02 | valdyn | Tully: no |
| 06:33.10 | zinx | i don't think you understand what "stable" means in the debian release context |
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| 06:33.21 | Tully | works for everyone right |
| 06:33.41 | valdyn | !stable |
| 06:33.41 | dpkg | [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Lenny (5.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). http://wiki.debian.org/DebianStable |
| 06:33.53 | Tully | im just wondering if there is anything to be overtly worried about by the later releases that would cause concern |
| 06:35.36 | franki^ | Tully: some of us, including me, use unstable and newer kernels without issue, but it depends on your situation |
| 06:36.34 | Tully | ok well which kernel version do you recommend |
| 06:36.39 | valdyn | Tully: unstable is unpredictable, its not crashy |
| 06:37.21 | cheako | Hello, /tmp is too large to be kept in /. Is there some way I can move it or instruct most applications to use another folder? What about user specific tmp folders? |
| 06:38.52 | valdyn | cheako: mount --bind /some/directory /tmp |
| 06:39.06 | valdyn | cheako: but fix the permissions to match your /tmp |
| 06:40.12 | cheako | valdyn: Ahh, this adds to the problem. I'd like to subtract the size of the files stored in / as a file system. |
| 06:40.28 | cheako | valdyn: Ohh wait, I read it backwards. |
| 06:40.55 | cheako | valdyn: Why not just mount /dev/mapper/blah-tmpfs /tmp? |
| 06:41.32 | valdyn | cheako: thats fine, i though you had already done that if you could |
| 06:42.02 | cheako | The issue I have with this is moving the data in /tmp at boot... that and moving open file handles is harder. |
| 06:42.31 | valdyn | cheako: why are you moving /tmp stuff ? |
| 06:42.48 | valdyn | cheako: on boot /tmp gets cleaned |
| 06:43.49 | cheako | valdyn: Running out of space in /. It does get used by a few things while the system is coming up(prior to /var being mounted, hence the /var/tmp). |
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| 06:44.08 | valdyn | cheako: umm no |
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| 06:46.07 | valdyn | cheako: you just need to add an fstab entry for /tmp, thats all |
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| 06:58.12 | iskra | so I've started an X forwarding session in ssh, started x as root, and now wish to runa program as root and i get "X11 connection rejected because of wrong authentication" |
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| 06:58.29 | iskra | i can run it fine as non root |
| 06:58.50 | nvz | iskra: tried using gksu or something to run it? |
| 06:58.53 | cheako | iskra: You need to use a tool like sux of gtksu instead of su or perhaps sudo. |
| 06:59.33 | iskra | ok |
| 06:59.44 | iskra | lemme give it a shot =) thx |
| 06:59.49 | nvz | np |
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| 07:00.01 | RYDeN | pierdo razonnn justo a tiempooooO! |
| 07:00.14 | nvz | iskra: gotta have your magic cookies thats all |
| 07:00.36 | nvz | RYDeN: we speak english in #debian |
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| 07:02.02 | yoshx | hello |
| 07:02.20 | visof | hello |
| 07:02.29 | iskra | all is good, thanks nvz, cheako |
| 07:02.49 | visof | i have two computers and switch , can i use them in something useful ? |
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| 07:03.35 | cheako | visof: Table tennis? |
| 07:03.37 | greenmang0 | visof: yeah... first "switch" them on... ;) |
| 07:04.09 | nvz | visof: can do lots of cool things with em.. are they on the same desk? |
| 07:04.28 | visof | nvz no |
| 07:04.44 | nvz | well that rules out synergy if they're not sitting side by side |
| 07:05.41 | nvz | visof: have someone else to use the other one? |
| 07:07.00 | visof | nvz my brother |
| 07:07.16 | nvz | visof: there ya go.. jumpnbump time.. haha |
| 07:07.40 | iskra | make a computer desk |
| 07:07.52 | nvz | I made mine out of legos |
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| 07:08.03 | iskra | i want to make a glass top computer desk |
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| 07:08.25 | iskra | with all the hardware mounted flat with leds between circuits, have all my connectors comin out the side |
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| 07:08.35 | nvz | glass table tops are nice, but they get dirty and its a likely cause of OCD |
| 07:08.53 | nvz | even for people who arent prone to clean things frequently |
| 07:09.03 | iskra | psh... im not |
| 07:09.20 | iskra | but just keep a towel nearby |
| 07:09.35 | iskra | when you spill the coffee... use it to clean up the desk |
| 07:09.44 | iskra | with each spill it gets a cleaning... |
| 07:10.00 | nvz | heh, the ants will love that |
| 07:10.19 | iskra | as long as they dont fuck up your processor |
| 07:10.23 | iskra | (pi) |
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| 07:10.49 | cheako | Wow, http://w1.fi/releases.html wpasupplicant provided in Lenny(0.6.4) is a development release. |
| 07:10.51 | nvz | I once spilled an entier 32oz glass of iced tea into a running desktop that I didnt have a lid on |
| 07:11.21 | nvz | never hurt it.. I yanked the f'n plug out real fast, and took the whole thing apart and dried it well |
| 07:12.03 | nvz | cheako: cant go by stuff like that |
| 07:12.06 | iskra | lol |
| 07:12.11 | cheako | nvz: Bark is not conductive... |
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| 07:12.33 | iskra | rice bath? |
| 07:12.45 | ik3 | /j #python |
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| 07:13.16 | nvz | cheako: you have to keep in mind that debian version numbers dont change once something is frozen and becomming stable, but will be heavily patched outside the upstream codebase |
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| 07:13.26 | cheako | nvz: Really? It's 0.6.4-3 so I wouldn't think it's heavily patched. Also I've been having lots of problems with it. |
| 07:13.43 | nvz | cheako: debian is notorious for having their own patches and docs for things |
| 07:15.03 | nvz | cheako: besides just because something is devel doesnt mean its broken |
| 07:15.27 | cheako | nvz: I read some where that distros where supposed to patch things like PCI bus enumeration bugs so it's acceptable for stable releases to have grave bugs like them. |
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| 07:16.02 | nvz | the -3 indicates it was likely patched 3 times by the security team alone, who knows how many times it was patched before it was frozen and covered by s.d.o |
| 07:16.56 | cheako | nvz: I was just thinking that sochal contract if not policy would dictate that a release be a stable release and not just some random weekly tarball the dd chose. |
| 07:18.17 | cheako | It's also possible they say the inverse. |
| 07:18.22 | nvz | na, basically any DD can package something and drop it on sid, if it goes like 10 days I think is roughly the protocol, without an RC bug it can be brought into testing.. and when it comes time to freeze testing if it plays nice with all the other packages and has no RC bugs it becomes stable |
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| 07:20.05 | nvz | I've been thinking about getting into the mentor program for awhile.. just never finished doing my homework. |
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| 07:20.42 | nvz | I'd like to package a bunch of things I like that arent in debian.. |
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| 07:21.55 | nvz | most of the things I have in mind though wouldnt probably qualify for main |
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| 07:23.09 | nvz | the emerald viewer I recently started using is only now able to be used in debian as of squeeze, but I am pretty sure its GPL and could be in main. |
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| 07:23.59 | nvz | I wonder though about the challenge of having things like that in debian though because of the way the policy goes |
| 07:24.35 | nvz | programs that could easily become useless throughout the life of the stable release because they would HAVE to be up to date to work |
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| 07:29.19 | cheako | So "I" really must take a close look at testing :/ |
| 07:29.21 | cheako | That's kind of lame to not try and make it usable, but just assume "if" it is used that it must be usable. |
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| 07:30.08 | kc8pxy | I'm trying to get hostapd working on my lenny box, and it's failing to bring up my wifi card. what driver do i tell hostapd for my bcm4318? it doesn't like hostap for that. |
| 07:30.09 | nvz | cheako: yeah over my 8-10 years however long its been I've noticed a lot of bugs go stable and be ignored.. gotta run testing and make sure you catch shit early |
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| 07:30.28 | cheako | ...that was the old wpa. I'm now using the best stable, so I'll see if there is a difference. |
| 07:31.25 | cheako | nvz: But I only have a handful of computers so it's not practice for me to duplicate every thing with stable and testing. |
| 07:32.20 | cheako | I think there needs to be a push to make sure Debian contains lots of outdated but stable software. |
| 07:34.15 | cheako | Let the Debian based distros run later software and perhaps start a goalkeeperport(further back then back) for this new software that is not yet ready for sid/testing. |
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| 07:47.39 | re_ | I'm trying to make a binary .deb .. however, the software I'm packaging has some files in it that ignore the configure/install --prefix .. is there any way to force them to go into --prefix without manually editing the makefiles for each file that does this? |
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| 07:54.49 | kc8pxy | looks like i need to convert this to use only network/interfaces. trying to manually set my wifi card to master, and it won't let me.. ideas why??? it's a bcm4318. |
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| 08:04.49 | [2]anwoke8204 | can anyone here help me with the following error? |
| 08:04.54 | [2]anwoke8204 | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
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| 08:09.16 | vatzec | hey, is there any way to make files created by a defined user have specific access permissions (chmod and chown)? |
| 08:10.25 | vatzec | I know there's umask, but this solves the case for chmod only |
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| 08:12.14 | \amethyst | vatzec: the files will be owned by that user and that user's primary group |
| 08:12.25 | vatzec | oh, right! |
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| 08:12.28 | vatzec | *facepalm* |
| 08:12.37 | vatzec | so I just need to set some other group as his/hers default group :) |
| 08:12.41 | vatzec | thanks! :) |
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| 08:15.39 | vatzec | brilliant, works all well :) |
| 08:15.43 | vatzec | thank you :) |
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| 08:22.44 | Tapout | is there a way to pass posix_fadvise options to a binary in linux? for example, if i'm moving large files or processing large files, i want absolutely 0 file caching.. i see posix_fadvise allows me to set it up, but it seems like i'll have to wrap everything in a perl script.. no? |
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| 08:23.17 | Jari--_ | hi all |
| 08:23.18 | Jari--_ | what do you guys use in Debian to autosynchronize the time ? |
| 08:23.33 | Tapout | ntpdate |
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| 08:23.43 | Jari--_ | Tapout: thank you |
| 08:25.39 | anwoke8204 | hi, I am trying to switch my wireless card to master mode, but when I try it get the following error: |
| 08:25.39 | anwoke8204 | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 08:25.40 | anwoke8204 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.54 | anwoke8204 | I am using the command iwconfig wlan0 mode master |
| 08:26.40 | Knightingale | is it possible to limit the maximum bandwidth used by individual processes (with a tool of some sort)? |
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| 08:32.17 | Gokee2 | Anyone happen to know if the sizes http://www.debian.org/mirror/size are for Lenny? Or Lenny and squeeze? Or Etch, Lenny and squeeze? Or Etch, Lenny, Squeeze and unstable? |
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| 08:34.17 | c99 | Hello, I seem to have an issue with my filesystem: /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 901G 886G 0 100% / |
| 08:34.27 | c99 | Why does it state 100% when only 886g is used? |
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| 08:37.00 | Gokee2 | c99, Hmm perhaps some is reserved for root |
| 08:37.25 | c99 | ? |
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| 08:38.05 | Gokee2 | c99, Its common to have a little bit of space that only root can use so a user cannot completely fill your hard drive |
| 08:38.39 | c99 | ye but not over 30gig |
| 08:38.53 | blathijs | It's some fixed percentage (5% IIRC) |
| 08:39.03 | blathijs | c99: You can change this with tune2fs |
| 08:39.15 | Gokee2 | c99, For ext its 5% by default |
| 08:39.26 | greenmang0 | c99: http://boncey.org/2006_11_18_reclaiming_ext3_disk_space |
| 08:39.59 | greenmang0 | c99: but since you are using LVM.. i don't know if tune2fs can help you... ask the experts on #debian ;) |
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| 08:40.17 | blathijs | greenmang0: LVM shouldn't change anything, it's just a setting of the filesystem |
| 08:40.29 | c99 | I'm running: tune2fs -m 1 /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 at the moment |
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| 08:40.39 | c99 | seems like it's going to take a long time for a 1TB ext3 partition :/ |
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| 08:41.40 | blathijs | Hmm, I didn't expect it to take long at all. Perhaps it's more than just updating a number somewhere (perhaps all the reserved blocks are explicitly marked or something) |
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| 08:43.40 | greenmang0 | blathijs: so you mean tune2fs should work w/o problem.... |
| 08:43.41 | blathijs | Jari--_: You might want to consider using (open)ntpd instead of ntpdate, since the former runs continously, while ntpdate is single shot synchronisation. |
| 08:43.45 | anwoke8204 | what terminal command can I run to find out what wireless card is in my system? |
| 08:43.52 | blathijs | greenmang0: Yes. |
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| 08:44.01 | greenmang0 | blathijs: ok :) |
| 08:44.12 | greenmang0 | blathijs: never tried this stuff before |
| 08:44.22 | blathijs | anwoke8204: lspci can probably provide you a hint :-) |
| 08:45.12 | anwoke8204 | anyone know if the Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 can support master mode? |
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| 08:46.09 | beppe | hi all, someone can help me about bluetooth? tnx a lot. |
| 08:47.28 | blathijs | anwoke8204: Dunno, tried googling? |
| 08:47.42 | blathijs | beppe: Probably, you'll have to ask your question first, though |
| 08:48.10 | anwoke8204 | googling now, but finding alot of mixed answers |
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| 08:49.06 | greenmang0 | blathijs: is there any command just to check how much space is reserved for root? |
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| 08:51.15 | anwoke8204 | from what I can tell it will support master mode,but can't get it to switch to master mode |
| 08:51.24 | greenmang0 | blathijs: tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 ... found it :) |
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| 08:52.53 | beppe | blathijs, sure. my bluetooth device is listed in lsusb, and there is a module 'bluetooth' also, but i can't see anything by hciconfig |
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| 08:54.28 | blathijs | greenmang0: Such are the joys of manpages :-p |
| 08:54.43 | greenmang0 | blathijs: lol |
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| 08:56.28 | blathijs | beppe: What does "dmesg | grep Bluetooth" say? (Use a pastebin) |
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| 08:58.16 | nvz | I find it best when searching for things like that to use a -i |
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| 08:58.45 | blathijs | nvz: Yeah, but as it happens, all bluetooth log messages are actually prefixed with Bluetooh: :-) |
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| 08:58.54 | blathijs | beppe: Also, is the btusb module loaded? |
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| 09:00.02 | beppe | blathijs, no there isn't |
| 09:00.28 | nvz | blathijs: yeah well I used to think the same thing about a lot of stuff until the case where its not. like lspci output when people grep for VGA, its not always all caps |
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| 09:00.48 | blathijs | nvz: Fair point |
| 09:01.13 | blathijs | beppe: Try loading it, perhaps? (Though this should really happen automatically, AFAIK...) |
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| 09:01.18 | Mallxs | nvz: are you always online ? :-) |
| 09:01.33 | nvz | Mallxs: try to be.. |
| 09:01.38 | Mallxs | lol |
| 09:02.18 | nvz | I spend a lot of time lately at this fort in the woods I built as a kid.. but the cell phone signal up there is great, and I got IRC on the phone so.. |
| 09:02.54 | Mallxs | Mallxs -eq aeg; saw you yesterday late and now again |
| 09:03.18 | Mallxs | s you have there also power |
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| 09:04.01 | nvz | I've been thinking about putting in some solar panels |
| 09:04.09 | nvz | batteries only last so long |
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| 09:04.59 | nvz | also figured I could easily make a steam generator to go with the firepit |
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| 09:05.48 | Mallxs | so you there with your OLPC and a iphone great job still supporting the communitie with so little equipment |
| 09:05.56 | hid3 | Good afternnon everyone. One issue here with linux software raid (mdadm). I've disconnected one disk from a mirror raid and booted a system for a few hours with just one in the array. Now I would like to reconnect the old one and participate in the array. However, I'm not sure how will mdadm resync the disks: will it sync from the 'newer updated' to 'older updated' or vice versa? |
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| 09:06.17 | nvz | I actually just have a samsung rant sph-m540 and an Acer AspireOne |
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| 09:07.05 | nvz | I can ssh, irc, and just about anything with my rant though.. and the sprint one touch firmware even allows multitasking.. its decent |
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| 09:08.49 | nvz | unfortunately mdadm questions are too much for my brain to handle at 4am |
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| 09:09.33 | nvz | whistles for someone else |
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| 09:11.04 | anwoke8204 | anyone know where I can get teh reverse engineered driver for my wireless card |
| 09:11.12 | nvz | ugh.. I guess its mid afternoon where you are.. *slaps himself around* see what we can do.. |
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| 09:11.22 | anwoke8204 | I found this while trying to get my card in master mode |
| 09:11.22 | anwoke8204 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.22 | anwoke8204 | driver. You need to enable (or make as a module) the Softmac wireless |
| 09:11.22 | anwoke8204 | extensions and BCM43xx |
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| 09:11.49 | simonrvn | don't paste stuff here.. |
| 09:11.50 | Mallxs | No nvz its here 10 am |
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| 09:12.19 | nvz | talking about hid3's general understanding of mirror raid question |
| 09:13.41 | anwoke8204 | sorry, didn't know about the pasting, noted for the future |
| 09:13.50 | nvz | wants to know how two drives behave in resyncing in a mirror rade |
| 09:13.53 | nvz | raid even |
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| 09:14.24 | neure | uh |
| 09:14.51 | neure | im trying to apt-get install sun-java5-jdk |
| 09:15.00 | neure | E: Couldn't find package sun-java5-jdk |
| 09:15.05 | neure | help?) |
| 09:15.14 | nvz | neure: add contrib and non-free |
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| 09:15.28 | nvz | neure: to your sources.list / repository |
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| 09:15.43 | neure | mvz, ok i think i need more details |
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| 09:16.03 | neure | ive got the source.list open but i dont know what exact lines to add |
| 09:17.02 | anwoke8204 | I need to install the b43-fwcutter package, but when I try it says it can't find the package |
| 09:17.10 | blathijs | neure: Perhaps this helps? http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 09:17.33 | blathijs | anwoke8204: Perhaps that's in contrib of non-free as well? |
| 09:18.06 | nvz | hid3: technically its not suppose to ever encounter such a scenario |
| 09:18.19 | anwoke8204 | it should be,its a firmware update for my wireless card |
| 09:18.20 | nvz | hid3: which is what makes it an interesting question |
| 09:18.40 | neure | blathijs, so i just append " contrib non-free" to my lines ending with "lenny main" |
| 09:18.41 | neure | ? |
| 09:18.53 | nvz | hid3: mirror raid is generally just suppose to rebuild a mirror to a replaced new drive or a hot spare |
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| 09:19.37 | nvz | neure: yes |
| 09:19.48 | nvz | neure: then apt-get update |
| 09:19.55 | nvz | neure: and then try again |
| 09:20.04 | neure | thanks |
| 09:20.06 | neure | it worked |
| 09:20.18 | nvz | of course it did, I'm tired not stupid.. heh |
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| 09:20.41 | neure | apt-get update did complain it wasnt able fetch something |
| 09:20.42 | beppe | blathijs: thanks for your help. |
| 09:20.48 | neure | but apt-get install for my packages worked :) |
| 09:21.07 | nvz | neure: care to be more specific? recall if it was just a warning? W: |
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| 09:21.57 | cheako911 | Hello, wpasupplicant didn't run dhclient after bringing up the wireless portion. I have upgraded wpasupplicant and it still does not run dhclient, but now I don't need to restart it all the time as I did b4... and dhclient still needs to know when the link comes back up. |
| 09:22.07 | neure | mvz, well first W: but than E: Some index files failed to download or something like that |
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| 09:22.50 | nvz | neure: ah. might need keys for your mirror |
| 09:23.06 | nvz | neure: apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 09:23.08 | nvz | perhaps |
| 09:23.35 | neure | already the newest version |
| 09:23.35 | nvz | but if you dont care, neither do I |
| 09:23.44 | neure | no i dont care, install worked :) |
| 09:24.10 | nvz | well, your secret is safe with me, and the other 800 people here.. lol |
| 09:24.10 | lxsameer | i use debmirror to update my repo but i can't get the updates with more that 1 or 2 KB per second , i use both http and rsync , and also two different server , where is the problem ? |
| 09:24.33 | neure | the lenny im using is booting to gdm |
| 09:24.58 | neure | i wonder if its possible to make it boot first to some sort of text mode menu where i can choose to further boot to gdm or just login in text mode? |
| 09:25.19 | nvz | neure: well, sort of, yes |
| 09:25.41 | neure | im sure its possible but i meant to ask if i can do that easily :) |
| 09:25.44 | nvz | neure: you could take gdm out of runlevel 2 and have to login and switch to runlevel 3 or such to start gdm |
| 09:26.27 | nvz | neure: you could probably also hack inittab to make Ctrl+Alt+Del goto runlevel 3 instead of reboot thus making a hotkey to start graphics instead of text |
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| 09:27.52 | nvz | thats the easiest way I can think of to go from a default boot to text to graphical without having to actually login text mode to start gdm or change runlevel |
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| 09:30.30 | nvz | dont know why you'd want to do that though |
| 09:31.04 | nvz | neure: you can also specify kernel parameters at the boot loader to control such things |
| 09:31.16 | nvz | thus using your bootloader as the menu to choose |
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| 09:34.31 | lxsameer | whats wrong with debian servers? i can't download anything with more that 1 or 2 KB per second |
| 09:35.24 | nvz | lxsameer: try a different server maybe |
| 09:36.00 | lxsameer | nvz: it try us tr kr jp , i have trouble with all |
| 09:36.27 | nvz | lxsameer: are we talking about package mirrors? |
| 09:37.00 | simonrvn | um, maybe it's your network, or your isp. |
| 09:37.29 | lxsameer | nvz: yeah , |
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| 09:38.10 | nvz | neure: but anywho thats how you do it I guess if ya really wanted to. edit your bootloader menu you have entries to say (text) and (graphics) and have the kernel command line have a 2 or 3 at the end and configure those two runlevels differently, one to boot gdm and one that doesnt |
| 09:38.11 | lxsameer | simonrvn: i don't think so , because i download other things from other servers with normal speed |
| 09:38.35 | nvz | lxsameer: there are mirrors other than *.debian.org |
| 09:38.36 | Mallxs | nvz do you know or use backuppc ? |
| 09:38.57 | simonrvn | lxsameer: could be a mirror pulse or dinstall then.. the networks get saturated sometimes, and they slow down. |
| 09:38.59 | lxsameer | nvz: like what |
| 09:39.00 | nvz | lxsameer: like http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ for example |
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| 09:39.07 | i5513 | Hi people, I'm trying installing slapd with a openssl created certificate in lenny, it is possible or it mandatory using gnutls ? |
| 09:39.17 | nvz | !mirrors |
| 09:39.17 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 09:39.23 | nvz | lxsameer: ^ |
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| 09:39.36 | lxsameer | simonrvn: its about a day that i have this problem |
| 09:39.43 | simonrvn | i5513: it's built against gnutls |
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| 09:39.51 | nvz | lxsameer: installing apt-spy and running it will benchmark em for you and find you a fast one |
| 09:40.05 | blathijs | beppe: Does it work now? |
| 09:40.13 | lxsameer | nvz: thanks i will try that |
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| 09:40.54 | i5513 | simonrvn: then I have to use gnutls to generate server certificate ? |
| 09:41.09 | simonrvn | no, just be aware of that |
| 09:41.18 | simonrvn | (what i said) |
| 09:41.23 | lxsameer | nvz: can you test a mirror for me ? |
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| 09:41.30 | i5513 | it should be compatible, isn't it ? |
| 09:41.32 | nvz | lxsameer: yeah but it wont help really |
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| 09:41.41 | nvz | lxsameer: other than to rule out the mirror working fine |
| 09:41.56 | simonrvn | to a certain extent yes |
| 09:41.59 | nvz | lxsameer: apt-spy works because it finds fast ones for your location |
| 09:42.06 | lxsameer | nvz: yeah you're right |
| 09:42.21 | simonrvn | i've used openssl generated certs with it no problem. just don't do anything fancy :P. |
| 09:42.24 | i5513 | ldapsearch -ZZ return me: TLS: can't connect: Error in the push function.. |
| 09:42.34 | simonrvn | old bug, IIRC |
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| 09:42.51 | i5513 | but I'm using lenny .. |
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| 09:43.24 | sep | i have a load of 10. top is all 0's and iotop is all 0's. where can i look for what is generating that load ? |
| 09:43.29 | i5513 | openssl verify tells me certificate is ok |
| 09:43.51 | i5513 | and if I try with "allow" it works |
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| 09:44.01 | i5513 | but if I try "demand" it doesn't work |
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| 09:44.10 | simonrvn | i5513: http://www.openldap.org/faq/data/cache/1456.html |
| 09:44.21 | i5513 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.31 | i5513 | simonrvn: I'll take a look |
| 09:44.37 | i5513 | simonrvn: Thanks |
| 09:44.44 | simonrvn | btw, that faq-o-matic is very useful |
| 09:46.18 | nvz | oh well.. idk what you're running on tonight Simon, as IIRC we're same timezone.. but I'm not sharing your energy |
| 09:46.43 | simonrvn | i just finished a pic... i'm about to pass out :P |
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| 09:46.57 | simonrvn | http://simonraven.kisikew.org/imgs/bear_and_relations.png |
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| 09:47.55 | nvz | wth is that, just some randp, boredom or what? |
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| 09:48.43 | simonrvn | exactly what it says. use your imagination a bit ;). |
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| 09:49.24 | nvz | hmm either you got better drugs or my imagination doesnt work like it used to |
| 09:49.29 | i5513 | simonrvn: then switching to upstream is the solution ? |
| 09:49.44 | i5513 | mmm |
| 09:49.53 | simonrvn | i5513: well, i build stuff from unstable, on lenny |
| 09:49.57 | simonrvn | !ssd |
| 09:49.57 | dpkg | ssd is, like, (Solid State Disk) The D in SSD is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. See also <ssd limit>. |
| 09:50.06 | simonrvn | nooo not that |
| 09:50.09 | simonrvn | !ssb |
| 09:50.09 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 09:50.52 | simonrvn | i5513: i haven't had a problem with ldapsearch and friends |
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| 09:52.28 | i5513 | simonrvn: I'll probe with squeeze version ... |
| 09:53.15 | nvz | broadcast from bed (pillow): nvz is going down for a recharge NOW!! ni ni evwybody |
| 09:53.24 | simonrvn | ni'night nvz |
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| 09:56.45 | simonrvn | not quite ;p |
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| 09:59.14 | lxsameer | nvz: i try apt-spy and get the best server but i still have that problem when i try to update with apt-get update , for all servers it goes till 32% with normal speed and after that it slow down to 1 or 2 KB |
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| 10:01.59 | i5513 | simonrvn: with squeeze it doesn't work yet .. I'll try to compile with openssl enable ... or try to generate certs with gnutls |
| 10:02.05 | simonrvn | lxsameer: you using ftp or http urls? |
| 10:02.32 | lxsameer | simonrvn: http for apt and rsync and http for debmirror |
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| 10:03.12 | simonrvn | did you try pinging, or tracerouting to the hosts? |
| 10:04.00 | lxsameer | simonrvn: yeah , in the beginning af connection it has a good speed but after some second the trouble comes in |
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| 10:24.17 | lxsameer | nvz: only debian have this problem i get that file from a mirror with my browser with normal speed |
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| 10:25.48 | lpj | Any idea why a freshly downloaded security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages has a BAD signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny) <ftpmaster@debian.org>"? |
| 10:26.09 | lpj | (The key used to check the signature is freshly imported too.) |
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| 10:27.19 | themill | lpj: usually it's just because the mirror is in an inconsistent state. Try again and you'll get a different security mirror and/or wait a bit and have another go. |
| 10:28.01 | lpj | themill, I've been trying, it's been in that state for days |
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| 10:28.26 | lpj | themill, do I understand correctly that the signature is in security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_Release.gpg? |
| 10:28.34 | themill | yes |
| 10:28.55 | themill | lpj: do you have a proxy configured for apt? Or a transparent proxy on the network? That's the other common culprit |
| 10:29.12 | lpj | I don't think there's any proxy, where do I check? |
| 10:29.35 | lpj | nothing proxy-like in apt.conf |
| 10:29.43 | themill | lpj: if it's configured, it will be either the http_proxy environment variable or in apt.conf* |
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| 10:30.13 | lpj | nah, I would know about a HTTP proxy being used.. it's a straightforward DSL connection |
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| 10:30.27 | bear | how can i connect my wireless |
| 10:30.39 | lpj | What I do to check is: gpg --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --trustdb /etc/apt/trustdb.gpg security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_Release.gpg |
| 10:30.47 | bear | its not working in network manager |
| 10:30.48 | themill | lpj: there are enough braindead ISPs out there who think they are doing themselves a favour :( |
| 10:31.01 | lpj | and then I enter /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages as the data file |
| 10:31.03 | themill | lpj: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt#Howtomanuallycheckforpackage.27sintegrity |
| 10:31.24 | bear | my friend was showing me linux earlier |
| 10:31.57 | lpj | yes though it's not about checking a single package, rather the Packages file itself |
| 10:32.15 | lpj | apt-check-security-sigs is also moaning |
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| 10:32.27 | themill | lpj: checking Release and then Packages are the first to steps of that process. |
| 10:33.19 | themill | (but it sounds like you're doing it right, anyway) |
| 10:33.22 | lpj | can you give me the md5 checksum of your security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_main_binary-i386_Packages? |
| 10:34.00 | themill | 82edd7a5080085387a4a743a1a65b453 |
| 10:34.18 | lpj | ok same here |
| 10:34.36 | themill | It's the Release file it's complaining about not the Packages file though. |
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| 10:35.13 | lpj | fb01fc4747263ded74aa18332aa5fa3d security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_Release.gpg |
| 10:35.14 | themill | lpj: Deleting the Release and Release.gpg files will do no harm; they are downloaded again when you next update. It's worth a try. |
| 10:35.29 | lpj | I've already tried deleting them and re-downloading |
| 10:35.49 | themill | same |
| 10:36.00 | lpj | ok last thing is the keyring |
| 10:36.10 | themill | 8bb1afcdc0eb7cda5d62b4e96867ef90 /var/lib/apt/lists/security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_Release |
| 10:36.21 | themill | lpj: check the actual Release file first. |
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| 10:37.22 | lpj | 8bb1afcdc0eb7cda5d62b4e96867ef90 security.debian.org_dists_lenny_updates_Release |
| 10:37.51 | themill | hmm... that's the same though. So wtf is it getting BADSIG? |
| 10:37.54 | lpj | 416cd387eaddc668d7736ccb266e66bf /tmp/key.txt |
| 10:38.01 | lpj | after doing apt-key export 55BE302B > /tmp/key.txt |
| 10:39.31 | themill | hmm... no. |
| 10:40.55 | sep | Lenny: i had a server with full disk, and did the lvextend -L+10G /device ; resize2fs /device for online resize. but this hung for some reason on the resize2fs. tried killing all services and processes not related to the resize. that might use the disk. but no use. what are the best practices in that situation ? |
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| 10:42.15 | lpj | ok this is weird, when I run apt-check-security-sigs after downloading Releases, it reports NO VALID SIGNATURE, also files being renamed to .FAILED, exits with code 1 |
| 10:42.35 | lpj | but when I run it again, it also reports NO VALID SIGNATURE, but the error about files being renamed is gone and the exit code is 0 |
| 10:42.47 | lpj | it also ends up with "Everything seems okay!" in that latter cse |
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| 10:45.48 | jelly | lpj: It moved away a suspicious file and doesn't check it any more, thus all files are valid, thus -> success. |
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| 10:47.00 | mintux | hi how to mount ext4 in my debian5 ?? is it possible to support this file system ? |
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| 10:48.18 | jelly | sep: had it happen once for me... resize2fs seems to be able to hang sometimes if there's lots of io on the device. After a reboot and a fsck, everything was well. Also, fsck didn't find anything. |
| 10:49.11 | jelly | mintux: you'll need to at least use a newer kernel. There's 2.6.30 in /msg dpkg backports |
| 10:49.45 | jelly | mintux: I'd suggest also backporting e2fsprogs, but it's not strictly needed |
| 10:49.53 | mintux | ok |
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| 10:51.43 | sep | jelly, there was tons of io. load was 690 on the nfs client |
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| 10:52.03 | lpj | it seems that apt-check-security-sigs uses /usr/lib/secpack/trustedkeys.gpg as its keyring while it should be using /etc/apt/trusted.gpg |
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| 10:52.22 | lpj | in fact now I uninstalled package 'secpack' and the apt-check-security-sigs is gone for good - can't reinstall this package either |
| 10:53.10 | lpj | and I see no other package which provides apt-check-security-sigs... where does it come from? |
| 10:53.51 | themill | I think secpack disappeared some time around woody.... apt now does all this itself, there's no need for an external utility. |
| 10:54.59 | lpj | hmm the cron job which pulled from security repository daily is gone too? |
| 10:55.24 | themill | there's cron-apt (or apticron) |
| 10:55.27 | lxsameer | does debian servers filter some countries IP? |
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| 10:56.28 | lpj | ok I will check it out. thx for help |
| 10:56.51 | jelly | lpj: this "secpack" package doesn't sound like it was from Debian itself, perhaps from a hardening effort of some kind? |
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| 10:57.31 | jelly | lpj: can you pastebin "dpkg -s secpack" and apt-cache policy secpack? |
| 10:57.53 | lpj | jelly, yep, I found through Google that it was contributed by some individual developer; probably remainder of myself installing the automatic security updates way back then |
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| 10:59.20 | lxsameer | i can't get anything from any debian mirror with apt or debmirror with more that 2 KB speed |
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| 11:00.00 | petemc | lxsameer: can you donwload from other sources without problems? |
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| 11:01.13 | lxsameer | petemc: yeah , i download a music file or a movie with normal speed , also i get a debian related file from any mirror by my browser with normal speed |
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| 11:02.00 | lpj | jelly, too late, as I've already removed the package |
| 11:02.04 | jelly | lxsameer: can you download a .deb with wget or curl normally? |
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| 11:02.37 | lxsameer | jelly: let me try wget |
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| 11:05.55 | lxsameer | jelly: no , i try to get a Packages.bz2 file with wget, it goes well till 32% after that the speed slowdown to 2K the exactly same problem with apt and debmirror |
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| 11:08.56 | dvinchi | lxsameer, use wget -c "url" |
| 11:09.08 | dvinchi | -c (continues) |
| 11:09.19 | dvinchi | lxsameer, ok? |
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| 11:11.12 | jelly | lxsameer: your other network equipment might be getting in the way, at your place or the ISP... |
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| 11:12.14 | jelly | lxsameer: try a mirror in your country if there is one |
| 11:12.54 | dvinchi | lxsameer, try with option -c |
| 11:12.58 | dvinchi | wget -c url |
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| 11:13.13 | dvinchi | ~next |
| 11:13.14 | apt | next is, like, NEXT! |
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| 11:15.05 | lxsameer | jelly: we don't have a mirror in our country , with -c it work well but after 3 min speed slow down again |
| 11:15.11 | lxsameer | DivineEntity: ^ |
| 11:16.18 | lxsameer | dvinchi: ^ |
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| 11:17.11 | apt | rumour has it, next is NEXT! |
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| 11:35.37 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:35.37 | dpkg | <themill> dooglus: are you in the plugdev group? <dooglus> themill: I'm not affiliated to any organization, and I'm not interested thank you. |
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| 11:43.44 | nsadmin | that would be factual data... could be indexed |
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| 12:05.04 | _sleepy_ | [ 32.762220] NVRM: API mismatch: the client has the version 185.18.36, but |
| 12:05.04 | _sleepy_ | [ 32.762223] NVRM: this kernel module has the version 185.18.31. Please |
| 12:05.04 | _sleepy_ | [ 32.762225] NVRM: make sure that this kernel module and all NVIDIA driver |
| 12:05.04 | _sleepy_ | [ 32.762227] NVRM: components have the same version. |
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| 12:05.58 | themill | dpkg: tell _sleepy_ about paste |
| 12:06.09 | _sleepy_ | http://pastie.org/712600 |
| 12:06.40 | greenmang0 | !tell me about paster bot |
| 12:06.46 | _sleepy_ | i can't understand why this happen since i removed everything of 185.31 driver |
| 12:07.07 | Devastator | _sleepy_ by hand or using uninstaller? |
| 12:07.16 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name nvidia.ko |
| 12:07.17 | _sleepy_ | using nvidia installer |
| 12:07.51 | _sleepy_ | nothing |
| 12:08.35 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: nvidia installer is crap. it can neither install or uninstall properly |
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| 12:08.42 | _sleepy_ | ok MoDaX, but there is no output for the command you said |
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| 12:09.26 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: can't be |
| 12:09.54 | MoDaX | or nvidia renamed their module. It has been a while since I used that non-free driver |
| 12:10.22 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name "*nvidia*" |
| 12:10.25 | MoDaX | try that one |
| 12:10.28 | Devastator | find / -name nvidia*ko |
| 12:10.47 | themill | it could have been removed from disk but still loaded into the kernel |
| 12:11.02 | Devastator | rmmod? :P |
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| 12:11.40 | _sleepy_ | ./lib/modules/2.6.30-2-686/kernel/drivers/video/backlight/mbp_nvidia_bl.ko |
| 12:11.50 | LZNPDE | anyone have any idea is mailscanner is popular? |
| 12:11.52 | _sleepy_ | ./lib/modules/2.6.30-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/agp/nvidia-agp.ko |
| 12:11.58 | _sleepy_ | only this |
| 12:12.29 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: yeah, try rmmod nvidia |
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| 12:12.57 | MoDaX | and build a new module with m-a |
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| 12:13.45 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: the "debian way" doesn't work |
| 12:13.50 | Devastator | m-a = module assistant? |
| 12:14.04 | _sleepy_ | it need 2.6.26 kernel |
| 12:14.04 | themill | dpkg: tell _sleepy_ about doesn't work |
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| 12:14.18 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: but nvidia installer does not work more |
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| 12:14.35 | _sleepy_ | but in the repo there is only 2.6.30 kernel |
| 12:14.42 | MoDaX | anyway, I think supporting nvidia installer is OT here |
| 12:14.52 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: use m-a |
| 12:14.55 | MoDaX | !nvidia |
| 12:14.55 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 12:15.10 | MoDaX | !nvidia m-a |
| 12:15.10 | dpkg | The short version: aptitude install module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. For instructions that should work, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. Ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. |
| 12:15.35 | themill | _sleepy_: [Mon Nov 23 2009] [22:48:57] <themill> _sleepy_: of course -- /msg dpkg nvidia squeeze |
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| 12:16.44 | themill | wonders why nvz is hiding given that it was his wonderful idea that _sleepy_ should use the nvidia installer |
| 12:17.13 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: nvidia installer IS REALLY broken. so you better spent your energy getting debian way to work. |
| 12:17.20 | MoDaX | spend* |
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| 12:22.09 | datenritter | hmm, dpkg's info about sysv-rc does not tell me anything about the dependency based system. any other help? |
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| 12:23.35 | themill | !dependency based startup |
| 12:23.36 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, Debian is using a dependency-based boot sequence. This requires that all init scripts have appropriate headers in them so that the correct order of execution can be determined. Scripts like S25libdevmapper1.02 are left over from Sarge and can be deleted; your own scripts will need LSB headers added: http://wiki.debian.org/LSBInitScripts |
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| 12:23.43 | leejongwook | how do i listen mms:// <-- radio |
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| 12:24.10 | OpenTokix | leejongwook: Install vlc |
| 12:24.11 | leejongwook | tried with rhythmbox but didn't work, it said that i needs some codecs to play it |
| 12:24.19 | leejongwook | i have vlc installed |
| 12:24.46 | leejongwook | and open file ? |
| 12:25.07 | leejongwook | open network stream ? |
| 12:26.20 | leejongwook | OpenTokix, thanks :) i think i found it |
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| 12:30.53 | nutria | hi guys |
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| 12:31.24 | nutria | someone of u did try zimbra on debian? |
| 12:31.40 | tomodachi | nutria: ive used it on ubuntu |
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| 12:32.14 | nutria | how did u solved the exim4 vs postfix (coming with zimbra) collision? |
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| 12:32.25 | datenritter | (13:23:35) themill: !dependency based startup <-- thx |
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| 12:33.00 | tomodachi | i didnt set it up myself, but i didnt hear anything about any colission |
| 12:33.18 | tomodachi | zimbra is using their own binaries (and ports) i believe |
| 12:33.21 | tomodachi | but dont take my word for it |
| 12:33.54 | OpenTokix | nutria: Just remove exim, you only need one MTA |
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| 12:34.40 | nutria | well debian comes with his own MTA that is exim4 using dataport 25, so postfix, but many packages depend on exim4 aand I can't removee it |
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| 12:35.02 | OpenTokix | nutria: Nice problem =) |
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| 12:35.23 | Zenox | I want to add a fifth harddrive to an raid5 array. Can someone check if the following seems okay? http://pastebin.com/d78d713a3 |
| 12:35.37 | nutria | if I remove exim4 apt want remove lsb |
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| 12:35.53 | MoDaX | nutria: packages should generally not depend on exim4 but on mta virtual package. |
| 12:36.02 | nutria | well, not exim4 taht is a metapackage, but exim4-base |
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| 12:36.07 | _sleepy_ | sorry |
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| 12:37.28 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: using the way described in the link you said it stops during the compilation of the kernel module |
| 12:37.39 | _sleepy_ | debian way work no more |
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| 12:38.18 | _sleepy_ | haowever the question was why this http://pastie.org/712600 happen |
| 12:38.21 | bakkdoor | hi i was wondering what the policy on the virtual package info-browser is. for example, in the cvs package for squeeze, it suggests both info and info-browser, although info is also within info-browser etc. |
| 12:38.21 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: even nvidia-kernel-source from unstable? |
| 12:38.23 | nutria | I can install postfix, this would remove exim4, then ln -s zimbra/bin/postfix /usr/bin/postfix |
| 12:38.30 | _sleepy_ | ues, even |
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| 12:38.41 | _sleepy_ | no, sorry |
| 12:38.43 | nutria | and remove the startup links for debian postfix |
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| 12:39.15 | yareckon | hi, need a quick refresher... I have listed a directory with ls -lah and gotten back numerical owner:group |
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| 12:39.25 | yareckon | like so -rw-r--r-- 1 1080 1080 262 2006-08-09 09:42 here.php |
| 12:39.37 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: nvidia-kernel-source in squeeze is very outdated |
| 12:39.38 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: with nvidia-kernel-source from unstable the module is compiled and installed successfully, but i have the same problem |
| 12:39.42 | yareckon | how can I track those back from the commandline |
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| 12:40.11 | yareckon | do I just need to look in /etc/passwd and /etc/group, or can I do it with a ls switch or soemthing? |
| 12:40.11 | _sleepy_ | X doesn't start and the problem is the same i pasted |
| 12:40.37 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: it can't be same. version should differ (at least) |
| 12:40.40 | MoDaX | try again |
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| 12:41.05 | _sleepy_ | actually i can't install any driver different from 185.18.31 (nvidia installer) |
| 12:41.20 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: why is that? |
| 12:41.27 | MoDaX | card not supported? |
| 12:41.34 | _sleepy_ | ?? |
| 12:41.41 | _sleepy_ | the card is supported |
| 12:41.47 | _sleepy_ | geforce 6200 |
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| 12:42.12 | MoDaX | then there is no problem |
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| 12:42.41 | solars | hey, somehow I killed all my usb stuff by inserting an invalid usb stick - does anyone know how to reload all this? |
| 12:42.44 | _sleepy_ | :| |
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| 12:43.35 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: you have already mess up your system with nvidia installer. recovering from that is pretty hard |
| 12:43.38 | MoDaX | messed* |
| 12:43.47 | _sleepy_ | hard? |
| 12:44.15 | _sleepy_ | in the past it wasn't hard |
| 12:44.16 | MoDaX | that's stupid thing leaves various files around and overwrites system libraries |
| 12:44.27 | MoDaX | that* |
| 12:44.29 | radoe | yareckon: if ls -lah displays numerical id your nss config (if unaltered from defaults read from /etc/passwd and /etc/group) doesn't provide names for UID=1080 and GID=1080 |
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| 12:45.07 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: have you understood that you can't install it in the debian way on squeeze?? |
| 12:45.12 | radoe | yareckon: mening - your passwd and group do not have entries for these ids. |
| 12:45.18 | ewet- | Todays lesson: dpkg --force-all -r libc6 isn't the best of all ideas.. where to from there? I have a gentoo cd and downloaded the libc6 package. should I just extract it into the directories? |
| 12:45.23 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: no, because you can |
| 12:45.40 | themill | _sleepy_: why can't you? |
| 12:45.57 | yareckon | radoe, ok, thanks |
| 12:45.58 | rgr | any users of xchat-gnome here tell me how to set the port? I assumed (from google) it would be "servername:port" but it doesnt seem to work. |
| 12:46.02 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: just get nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx from unstable. m-a a-i nvidia. that's it |
| 12:46.13 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: have you done it successfully? |
| 12:46.25 | rgr | _sleepy_: installing bvidia in testing? |
| 12:46.35 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: yes |
| 12:46.44 | themill | _sleepy_: yes, many people have done it successfully. |
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| 12:46.57 | rgr | there is a special one liner for it I used. I think themill gave it to me. Works well. |
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| 12:47.07 | themill | is starting to wonder if _sleepy_ has him on ignore, given that he's given him the answer 3 times over the last 14 hours. |
| 12:47.27 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: listen what people say |
| 12:47.40 | rgr | but its not "as easy" as getting the source from unstable since that can result in horrible hiccups if you dont do it correctly. |
| 12:47.46 | _sleepy_ | but my broblem is still this http://pastie.org/712600 |
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| 12:48.08 | _sleepy_ | also if i install it from sid |
| 12:48.12 | themill | _sleepy_: gee, you downloaded everything from sid and compiled it pretty quickly. |
| 12:48.23 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: seriously, this can't be true. sid has 9.x tried |
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| 12:48.28 | MoDaX | s/tried/driver/ |
| 12:49.03 | MoDaX | 190.x that is |
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| 12:49.28 | themill | _sleepy_: so what's the output of "dpkg -l \*nvidia\*" |
| 12:49.35 | rgr | _sleepy_: be sure to rub the nvidia uninstaller first too if you used that. It's a complete mess I know and you can get into horrible nasty situations if you use the nvidia installer AND the debian way - I know from experience. |
| 12:49.39 | rgr | s/rub/run |
| 12:49.41 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: i want to say that i have the same error type |
| 12:50.10 | darkskiez | i cant find the docs that explain the {?} annotations after packages in the aptitude output |
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| 12:50.12 | _sleepy_ | with 190.4 in replace of 185.18.36 |
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| 12:50.21 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: give proof, i.e. do that again. |
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| 12:51.13 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: don't ask for help with nvidia installer. that's what you are doing now as evident by version. |
| 12:51.22 | rgr | I installed from sid into testing and my version is 185.18.26 too. Certainly firther updates have not been picked up when upgrading. |
| 12:51.23 | Juozapas | hi how to disable monitor sleep mode ? debian fluxbox. Tried comment-out Option dpms, Option nodpms etc. in xorg.conf |
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| 12:51.33 | _sleepy_ | themill: this is the output http://pastie.org/712644 |
| 12:51.56 | MoDaX | darkskiez: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ch02s03s05.html |
| 12:51.59 | themill | _sleepy_: so you haven't done anything that I suggested at all. I'm so pleased to have helped you. |
| 12:52.13 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: i'm askin help to clean my system from this mess |
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| 12:52.41 | _sleepy_ | themill: i tryed yesterday to do what you suggested |
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| 12:53.16 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: neither nvidia-kernel-source nor nvidia-glx are installed. |
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| 12:53.25 | darkskiez | MoDaX: I cant see it there either... :-| |
| 12:53.46 | MoDaX | darkskiez: could you pastebin example? |
| 12:53.50 | _sleepy_ | uff |
| 12:53.57 | rgr | _sleepy_: don't panic. It can get messy. The problem now is that they think you didn't listen when I'm sure you probably did. It is very, very easy to hose nvidia installs in Debian as the host of howtos and panic posts in google land reveal. And I know from first hand experience. |
| 12:54.10 | darkskiez | The following packages will be REMOVED: libcompress-raw-zlib-perl{u} ... |
| 12:54.16 | darkskiez | like the {u} and {a} stuff |
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| 12:54.39 | MoDaX | darkskiez: u = unneeded, a = gets automatically installed |
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| 12:54.56 | darkskiez | Wheres the docs for that ? |
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| 12:56.13 | _sleepy_ | themill, MoDaX: ok, now i install it from sid with de debian way and then i came back here to show you why it doesn't work |
| 12:56.55 | hark | darkskiez: read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/NEWS |
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| 12:58.16 | darkskiez | hark: good find.. is it just a and u then ? |
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| 12:58.32 | rgr | dpkg: nvidia squeeze |
| 12:58.32 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
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| 12:59.00 | MoDaX | darkskiez: p - purge |
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| 13:00.08 | darkskiez | I think this is missing from the proper docs. |
| 13:00.14 | darkskiez | man page etc |
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| 13:01.54 | MoDaX | darkskiez: likely, file a bug |
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| 13:02.06 | ewet- | I dumped my system with "dpkg --force-all -r libc6".. where to go from there? I have a gentoo live cd (up and running) and downloaded the libc6 package. |
| 13:02.33 | MoDaX | ewet-: what were you thinking? |
| 13:02.43 | Devastator | themill can't wait to see "it works :(" from _sleepy_ :D |
| 13:02.47 | ewet- | MoDaX: my brain was off at that moment |
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| 13:03.39 | MoDaX | ewet-: extract package contents somewhere |
| 13:03.49 | ewet- | MoDaX: did that |
| 13:04.17 | MoDaX | then copy everything from lib to your systems /lib |
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| 13:04.31 | MoDaX | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:04.40 | master_of_master | hi, is there a tool that can dump all pdf files from http traffic? |
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| 13:05.07 | ewet- | MoDaX: cp -pd ? |
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| 13:05.49 | MoDaX | ewet-: cp -a /path/to/extracted/libc6/lib /path/to/system/root |
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| 13:06.19 | petemc | master_of_master: if you use a caching proxy you could pull what you need out of the cache |
| 13:06.59 | ewet- | MoDaX: okay did that |
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| 13:07.40 | MoDaX | ewet-: did you use a single partition for your system root? |
| 13:07.46 | master_of_master | petemc: that's a goog hint! |
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| 13:08.50 | ewet- | MoDaX: it's /boot (unencrypted) and / (raid5 encrypted) |
| 13:09.09 | MoDaX | ewet-: okay |
| 13:09.19 | MoDaX | ewet-: open another root shell now |
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| 13:09.31 | MoDaX | ewet-: chroot /path/to/system/root |
| 13:10.34 | sanderj | Debian 3.1.. whats tha name of that distro?.. sarge?? |
| 13:10.35 | ewet- | MoDaX: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/sh': Exec format error -- could be the Gentoo live cd though |
| 13:10.42 | anerty | [help] - i can't run blender |
| 13:11.23 | anerty | i has been install it from ubuntu software center on KK 9.10 but they tell me # blender -W |
| 13:11.23 | anerty | blender-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libavutil.so.49: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 13:11.34 | anerty | any help ? |
| 13:11.55 | MoDaX | ewet-: is /lib/libc.so.6 present in debian system root? |
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| 13:12.31 | ewet- | MoDaX: yes |
| 13:12.35 | MoDaX | ewet-: I hope livecd and debian architectures match, don't they? |
| 13:13.01 | ewet- | MoDaX: urgh no of course not :/ |
| 13:13.17 | Viper-7 | jailkit ftw :P |
| 13:13.20 | MoDaX | ewet-: debian is amd64, while gento i386? |
| 13:13.21 | ewet- | MoDaX: okay I'll tray and download a amd64 lvecd then |
| 13:13.35 | rgr | Devastator: gloating is kind of unpleasent. He is not actively seeking issues and there ARE issues if there is a light mix up of nvidai components. |
| 13:13.39 | ewet- | MoDaX: yes |
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| 13:13.46 | MoDaX | ewet-: yes, get amd64 livecd and get back to me |
| 13:13.51 | anerty | i'm heeeeer, pliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiz :p |
| 13:14.16 | ewet- | MoDaX: okay thanks for that :) |
| 13:14.16 | MoDaX | anerty: ubuntu help is on #ubuntu channel |
| 13:14.31 | rgr | anyone here got xchat-gnome working on a non standard port? The servername:port syntax is not working for me on 0.26.1 |
| 13:14.54 | Devastator | rgr sorry about that, i didn't mean that, but he doesn't follow what's recommended :( |
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| 13:15.14 | rgr | Devastator: he said he did. Its just that it is not sometimes easy. |
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| 13:15.34 | rgr | especially if you used the nvidia installer which a lot of people say is the easist. |
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| 13:16.06 | Devastator | rgr well, i won't do it again, sorry |
| 13:16.15 | rgr | not up to me what you do :-) |
| 13:16.38 | sanderj | Can someone help me getting a sarge mirror? |
| 13:16.45 | Devastator | rgr but you were right, it's definately unpleasent |
| 13:16.50 | sanderj | For an old sarge box |
| 13:16.52 | MoDaX | rgr: we can't help if the user does not do what we recommend |
| 13:16.57 | sanderj | apt mirror' |
| 13:16.58 | MoDaX | simple as that |
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| 13:17.05 | rgr | Devastator: I know how hard it can be. |
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| 13:17.18 | jelly | !tell sanderj -about ado |
| 13:17.24 | _sleepy_ | hi |
| 13:17.45 | rgr | MoDaX: whatever. It stuck me you were more interested in blowing hot air and putting him down that actually helping him. he clearly had an error. He said he HAD done what he was told. There were issues. |
| 13:18.11 | _sleepy_ | themill, MoDaX: i installed it from sid, debian way: http://pastie.org/712664 |
| 13:18.36 | _sleepy_ | but i have still black creen and the same problem: http://pastie.org/712666 |
| 13:18.52 | jelly | sanderj: http://archive.debian.org/debian/README, more specifically |
| 13:18.54 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: rmmod nvidia |
| 13:19.18 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: modprobe nvidia; dmesg | grep -i nvidia |
| 13:19.27 | MoDaX | pastebin output of the latter |
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| 13:20.34 | sanderj | jelly: there is no mirror for the security updates? |
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| 13:21.48 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: http://pastie.org/712672 it works, but at next reboot i have the same problem (i already tryed this too) |
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| 13:22.41 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: find /lib/modules/`uname -r` -name nvidia.ko |
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| 13:22.48 | MoDaX | what's the output now? |
| 13:22.59 | adnc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:23.15 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: it's /lib/modules/2.6.30-2-686/nvidia/nvidia.ko |
| 13:23.24 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: depmod -a |
| 13:23.27 | MoDaX | and reboot |
| 13:23.30 | MoDaX | should work |
| 13:23.56 | _sleepy_ | ok, let's try |
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| 13:24.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | hello, whenever i try to start a C project using anjuta i am getting an error "The "/usr/bin/ctags" utility is not installed. |
| 13:24.46 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Please install it." |
| 13:24.47 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | any clue? |
| 13:24.54 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | Debian Testing |
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| 13:25.13 | MoDaX | !find ctags |
| 13:25.41 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | the bot didnt reply :S |
| 13:25.54 | MoDaX | sh4d3sl4y3r_: it should soon |
| 13:26.07 | c99 | "mdadm --assemble /dev/md2 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sda2 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdc2 /dev/sdd2" > mdadm: /dev/md2 assembled from 1 drive - not enough to start the array. - Why is it not using all devices? |
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| 13:26.48 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ctags' (6 of 9): (/usr/lib/kde4/katectagsplugin.so) in editors/kate ;; (/usr/bin/ctags-exuberant) in editors/exuberant-ctags ;; (/usr/bin/ctags.emacs22) in editors/emacs22-bin-common ;; (/usr/bin/ctags.emacs23) in editors/emacs23-bin-common ;; (/usr/lib/cruft/filters-unex/exuberant-ctags) in admin/cruft ;; (/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/kde4/katectagsplugin.so) in debug/kdesdk-dbg. |
| 13:27.38 | MoDaX | sh4d3sl4y3r_: anyway, install exuberant-ctags |
| 13:27.55 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok |
| 13:29.29 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | ok that worked |
| 13:29.30 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | thanks |
| 13:29.39 | MoDaX | np |
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| 13:30.47 | TheJoe | So, I keep all my music files on a seperate partition, I just did chmod -R 0777 because I had no permission to the mounted drive at all, that worked fine, but I'm unable to change permissions of all the music |
| 13:30.51 | TheJoe | Even as root |
| 13:31.20 | MoDaX | TheJoe: which file system? |
| 13:31.26 | TheJoe | MoDaX: NTFS |
| 13:31.38 | MoDaX | TheJoe: unix permissions are pointless on ntfs |
| 13:31.56 | TheJoe | MoDaX: I should have thought of that, any idea how I can access the files, though? |
| 13:32.03 | TheJoe | I'm just being told I don't own them |
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| 13:32.20 | jelly | !+tell TheJoe -about ntfs-3g |
| 13:32.21 | dpkg | told TheJoe about ntfs-3g. |
| 13:32.30 | TheJoe | Aha |
| 13:32.38 | jelly | TheJoe: ntfs is read-only by default |
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| 13:32.46 | jelly | you should be able to read the files, though |
| 13:33.23 | jelly | perhaps you just forgot to use proper uid= and umask= options when mounting, TheJoe |
| 13:33.42 | TheJoe | jelly: I just did sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/music -t ntfs. Seemed sensible at the time |
| 13:33.45 | jelly | !ntfsro |
| 13:33.45 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 13:34.35 | TheJoe | I shall give it a go |
| 13:34.40 | jelly | but instead of adding stuff to fstab, just use gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 at mount |
| 13:34.48 | jelly | change gid and uid to suit |
| 13:35.24 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is there an mdi viewer for linux? |
| 13:35.49 | TheJoe | ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /media/music seemed to be all I needed |
| 13:36.02 | TheJoe | I hope there's a way I can automate that though |
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| 13:36.41 | Titan8990 | TheJoe, /etc/fstab |
| 13:36.50 | TheJoe | Titan8990: That file frightens me |
| 13:36.56 | TheJoe | I'm sure it's simpler than it looks |
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| 13:37.20 | Titan8990 | TheJoe, yes, it is... its very similar to the mount command itself, only with the value rearranged |
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| 13:38.27 | MoDaX | ewet-: btw, with some luck, debian might even boot now |
| 13:38.31 | MoDaX | try |
| 13:39.12 | TheJoe | Well that makes NTLDR the only thing I need to get working now, heh |
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| 13:40.22 | dalfz | how can i check the I/O-load of a particular process? any tool for it? |
| 13:40.23 | TheJoe | That, and a bit of Compiz pimping |
| 13:41.23 | MoDaX | dalfz: iotop |
| 13:42.17 | dalfz | thanks checking |
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| 13:45.14 | jetscreamer | doesn't process monitor do the io thing? |
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| 13:45.26 | jetscreamer | or you want more |
| 13:45.26 | dalfz | MoDaX, doesn't look like it exists in standard lenny repos? |
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| 13:45.40 | MoDaX | !info iotop |
| 13:45.44 | dpkg | iotop: (simple top-like I/O monitor), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 24 kB, Installed size: 180 kB |
| 13:45.50 | MoDaX | !info iotop lenny |
| 13:46.07 | asaleem | I have a php script that sometimes work and sometimes does not, apache asks prompts for a download. |
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| 13:46.30 | dpkg | iotop: (simple top-like I/O monitor), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.2-3 (lenny), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 140 kB |
| 13:46.45 | MoDaX | dalfz: ^^. it does |
| 13:47.02 | asaleem | server is the same and if I keep refreshing the page, it sometimes it works and sometimes not |
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| 13:47.43 | h0nk | hi, how can I find out what rpath got compiled into a shared libs? |
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| 13:48.33 | MoDaX | h0nk: objdump -p $lib | grep RPATH |
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| 13:50.04 | h0nk | MoDaX: I tried that and saw nothing -- probably means I removed it successfully ;) |
| 13:50.08 | h0nk | thanks |
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| 13:50.20 | MoDaX | h0nk: yep |
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| 13:56.31 | ascii | hi |
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| 14:03.02 | jetscreamer | !greet ascii |
| 14:03.02 | dpkg | Gr33tz, ascii |
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| 14:07.38 | EagleScreen | hi |
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| 14:07.48 | EagleScreen | can I configure Gnome to use Thunar as default file manager? |
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| 14:15.09 | tempuser | hey guys. i'm having a bear of a time adjusting to openldap linked with gnutls. what is the proper way to specify cipher lists (the gnutls way) in slapd.conf? |
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| 14:17.57 | joltcan | tempuser: I only have a commented out section like this, so I guess I never had to change it: #TLSCipherSuite HIGH:MEDIUM:+SSLv2 |
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| 14:18.36 | joltcan | tempuser: I didn't get it to work unless I also specified the CACert |
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| 14:19.42 | tempuser | joltcan: so, if TLSCipherSuite is commented out, are all ciphers allowed? |
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| 14:20.53 | tempuser | it i coment out TLSCipherSuite, i get "main: TLS init def ctx failed: -207" |
| 14:21.02 | tempuser | what a mess |
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| 14:22.54 | joltcan | tempuser: Sorry, but slapd is black magic. I usually just enable loads of debug logging and go from there. I have not specified any CipherSuites |
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| 14:23.22 | tempuser | joltcan: what are you using for your ca? |
| 14:23.33 | dalfz | what is the command to add the repos key? |
| 14:23.34 | tempuser | joltcan: is it self signed? |
| 14:23.37 | pom | Where is the limit causing the following error set: "Info: Traffic rate for "eth0" higher than set maximum 100 Mbit, syncing." |
| 14:23.50 | joltcan | tempuser: http://1ebbf2acda53d70a.paste.se/ |
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| 14:24.27 | joltcan | tempuser: yeah |
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| 14:25.28 | tempuser | is /etc/ssl/certs/therealcert.crt just your root ca or is a 'bundle' of your ca and any/all intermedaries? |
| 14:26.00 | joltcan | just the public ca cert |
| 14:26.13 | tempuser | joltcan: the reasoni ask is becuase I'm trying to get an intermediate ca to work with this now convoluted and horribly confusing gnuthls deployment. |
| 14:27.06 | joltcan | tempuser: I understand, but I haven't touched this installations since 13 apr 2007, so I'm probably not of much help |
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| 14:27.38 | tempuser | joltcan: not a problem, at this point, any and all info is helpful |
| 14:28.36 | tempuser | joltcan: judging by the amout of mailing list entries related to this matter, it appears there are some issues regarding the transition from openssl to gnutls. hell, i'm not even sure any of them have been resolved. |
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| 14:29.47 | joltcan | tempuser: Most likely. I had a hell of a time getting exim to work with gnutls and some specific nokia phones |
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| 14:30.13 | ranix | joltcan: most smart phones barely support SSL, nevermind tls |
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| 14:30.59 | tempuser | joltcan: i'm 1/2 tempted to scrap the slapd/gnutls .deb and build my own linked again openssl. probably save me weeks of time and headache. |
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| 14:31.29 | joltcan | ranix: That is not part of the discussion, I just said that gnutls was broken and that the phone didn't work because of that |
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| 14:32.01 | joltcan | ranix: And I think all of Nokia's E-series (E as in enterprise) have a pretty good SSL/TLS support |
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| 14:32.21 | joltcan | tempuser: Yeah, just remember to document it really well |
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| 14:32.41 | tempuser | joltcan: my e71x seems to work ok with 'most' ssl stuff. not sure about tls. |
| 14:32.44 | tempuser | ;) |
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| 14:33.17 | joltcan | tempuser: Well, ranix says that it doesn't ;) |
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| 14:33.54 | NoReflex | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:34.54 | MayaT | hello :) |
| 14:35.01 | newzen | hello, i have a installer problem, lkddb pci 17f3 1010 drivers/ata/pata_it821x.c that included in the kernel, but the factory change his number to 17f3:1011, how can i sort that?? |
| 14:36.24 | andre_pl | I recently had some HDD Problems and had to run a e2fsck -c on my drive to mark the bad blocks, it has been "Updating bad block inode" for well over 48 hours and is now using 800MB of ram. should I be worried? |
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| 14:36.57 | Devastator | andre_pl is it a big drive? |
| 14:37.03 | andre_pl | Devastator: 1TB |
| 14:37.17 | Devastator | maybe you don't |
| 14:37.25 | Devastator | but maybe your drive is gone :( |
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| 14:38.08 | andre_pl | Devastator: before i did the check I was able to read everything on the disk, I just wasn't able to copy a big file to it, so THats why i ran the e2fsck in the first place |
| 14:38.26 | andre_pl | i think i could back most of it up if I got a new drive |
| 14:38.54 | Devastator | it's a chance.. |
| 14:39.03 | Devastator | well, i'm gonna eat.. good luck |
| 14:39.15 | andre_pl | Is ther a chance it will eventually run out of ram during this repair? |
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| 14:39.42 | Devastator | it's unlikely |
| 14:41.12 | bakkdoor | i was wondering what the policy on the virtual package 'info-browser' is. for example, in the cvs package for squeeze, it suggests both info and info-browser, although info is also within info-browser etc. when should which of the two packages be suggested / within the dependency list of another package? |
| 14:41.24 | MayaT | <<- scared to start install debian.... i'm still learn from the pdf file how to install debian :) |
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| 14:41.45 | Justin | MayaT: press enter a lot. |
| 14:42.22 | NoReflex | do you guys know the graphs that are displayed in dd-wrt (realtime CPU / ram usage)? Is there something similar for debian? |
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| 14:42.44 | andre_pl | Devastator: thanks for the insight, I've been pulling my hair out. I'll wait patiently. |
| 14:42.55 | Justin | bakkdoor: false. it suggests info OR info-browser |
| 14:43.08 | Justin | bakkdoor: you are not properly reading the requirements |
| 14:43.11 | Justin | bakkdoor: http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/cvs |
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| 14:43.55 | MayaT | Justin, :: hahaha :) what that means press enter a lot. |
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| 14:44.19 | bakkdoor | Justin: oh, sorry, my bad. anyhow, when should which of the two be suggested? or should always both of them be? |
| 14:44.28 | pngwn | MayaT, what is your native language? |
| 14:44.40 | Justin | bakkdoor: do you not know what the word 'or' means? |
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| 14:45.08 | MayaT | pngwn, :: Malay, i from Malaysia... |
| 14:45.36 | joltcan | NoReflex: No idea, but maybe mrtg can do something like that? |
| 14:46.03 | pngwn | MayaT, is there a Malaysian debian channel or a local user group? |
| 14:46.07 | bakkdoor | Justin: i do know what it means. so basically, it's either one of them and it's optional to either just name one or both with an OR? |
| 14:46.55 | MayaT | pngwn, :: i don't know |
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| 14:47.35 | valdyn | bakkdoor: in this context, the or makes the first one the preferred package |
| 14:47.53 | NoReflex | joltcan: from what I've read mrtg only does traffic graphs... |
| 14:48.05 | MayaT | maybe until i become an expert i create the Debian channel for malaysian... hehehe.. hopefully.. |
| 14:48.10 | bakkdoor | valdyn: alright, thanks for the info |
| 14:48.28 | valdyn | bakkdoor: which means that if you automagically install suggests then info will be installed |
| 14:48.35 | valdyn | bakkdoor: unless any info-browser is already installed |
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| 14:49.46 | joltcan | NoReflex: Na, you can use it for everything that you can measure, usually you connect it to snmp and let snmp gather the CPU, RAM data, so that mrtg can graph it |
| 14:50.11 | valdyn | bakkdoor: if the info | was not there though, then apt couldnt know what to install because info-browser is only virtual |
| 14:50.20 | bakkdoor | valdyn: so if I have a package with info pages, should I suggest info (or info-browser, which includes the info package) or depend on it? |
| 14:50.35 | pngwn | MayaT, try #debian-my |
| 14:50.42 | valdyn | bakkdoor: you cant depend on it |
| 14:51.07 | MayaT | pngwn, :: okey.. big2 thanks |
| 14:51.07 | valdyn | bakkdoor: software does not break just because you cannot read the docs inside your debian system |
| 14:51.17 | bakkdoor | valdyn: alright, makes sense |
| 14:51.20 | valdyn | bakkdoor: but beside that debian usually splits out docs |
| 14:51.37 | bakkdoor | valdyn: so i should suggest info then? |
| 14:51.40 | Shadur | doesn't install perldoc on every single system I set up -- just the ones I'll spend significant time on console at. |
| 14:51.56 | valdyn | bakkdoor: if you dont split out the docs, yes, Suggest "info | info-browser" |
| 14:52.01 | NoReflex | joltcan: will look into it; thx |
| 14:52.03 | bakkdoor | alright thank |
| 14:52.04 | bakkdoor | s |
| 14:52.33 | MayaT | pngwn,:: no one is alive there.. :( |
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| 14:55.14 | pngwn | MayaT, that's too bad...you could check debian.org/doc and see if there any docs in your native language |
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| 14:56.49 | MayaT | pngwn: i check already but i cant find it.... :( |
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| 14:58.01 | pngwn | MayaT, tried google.com debian+Malaysia ? :) |
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| 15:00.19 | MayaT | <<- dictionary on my right hand side n pdf file i print out on my left hand... :) learn.. learn..learn.. u can do it MayaT.. hahaha :) |
| 15:00.41 | MayaT | pngwn,: okey , i try |
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| 15:07.06 | newzen | no one can giveme aproach to solve install problem? |
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| 15:07.38 | Sm0ke0ut | define install problem |
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| 15:08.05 | yupeng | hello,I met with a error message when i login before my gnome desktop display completely.The message is:Your system had a kernel failure.There is diagnostic information available for this failure.Do you want to submit this information to the www.kerneloops.org website for use by the linux kernel developers?My system is Lenny |
| 15:08.36 | yupeng | WHo can help me fix the error? |
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| 15:08.52 | Justin | yupeng: that is not an error. that is a question. |
| 15:09.04 | rvalles | exactly. |
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| 15:10.10 | MayaT | pngwn: i found debian-Malaysia but all is link to the www.debian.org in english :( |
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| 15:11.02 | yupeng | How to avoid this message?It pop up every time i open my system.Although i had select always |
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| 15:11.27 | rvalles | it's related to a daemon that handles that |
| 15:11.29 | rvalles | it's called... |
| 15:11.36 | valdyn | yupeng: you got an error message too, but you are not showing it, we cannot know what the error is |
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| 15:11.40 | rvalles | "kerneloops" |
| 15:11.54 | rvalles | disable/remove/whatever kerneloops and you'll be fine |
| 15:12.16 | rvalles | to see the actual oops, do a "dmesg" |
| 15:12.22 | rvalles | it'll be there somewhere. |
| 15:12.34 | rvalles | most likely not critical |
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| 15:12.41 | rvalles | or important enough |
| 15:12.47 | yupeng | Okay,i will do a dmesg ,and then post it here |
| 15:12.48 | rvalles | but just yet another kernel bug somewhere |
| 15:12.50 | yupeng | thanks |
| 15:12.55 | rvalles | post it on a pastebin instead |
| 15:12.59 | rvalles | and post the url here, yupeng |
| 15:13.19 | yupeng | ok,url here:) |
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| 15:13.50 | yupeng | http://paste.ubuntu.com/326869/ |
| 15:14.00 | yupeng | this is the url of the result of dmesg |
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| 15:15.05 | fireflyseo | Hi Yall |
| 15:15.23 | fireflyseo | How do I forward email to root and user to another email address please? |
| 15:15.43 | petemc | fireflyseo: /etc/aliases, if your mta supports it |
| 15:16.00 | petemc | root: foo, bar@remote |
| 15:16.03 | valdyn | fireflyseo: that sentence is hard to understand |
| 15:16.14 | valdyn | which aliases supports email adresses? |
| 15:16.24 | valdyn | ( and not just users ? ) |
| 15:16.28 | petemc | any |
| 15:16.32 | valdyn | oh really |
| 15:16.33 | petemc | why wouldnt it? |
| 15:16.44 | valdyn | i dont know why, i only read the documentation |
| 15:16.44 | pom | I am trying to resolv "Waiting for root file system" after Kernel upgrade. Tried renaming hda1 => sda1 in Grub before booting without luck. Any other ideas? |
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| 15:17.35 | valdyn | !aliases |
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| 15:17.49 | fireflyseo | petemc: How do I know if my mta supports it? |
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| 15:17.58 | _sleepy_ | hi |
| 15:18.02 | yupeng | Any one can tell me the reason from my dmesg result? |
| 15:18.06 | yupeng | Thanks!!! |
| 15:18.10 | valdyn | fireflyseo: man etc-aliases |
| 15:18.14 | _sleepy_ | sorry but I had problems with my connection. misfortunes are never alone |
| 15:18.53 | _sleepy_ | hi MoDaX, i stll have black screen and the same error |
| 15:19.04 | petemc | fireflyseo: which mta do you use? how did you configure it? |
| 15:19.09 | valdyn | fireflyseo: exim supports email adresses on the right side anyway |
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| 15:19.33 | petemc | the right side? |
| 15:19.36 | valdyn | err, fee, i just misread, im still not sure |
| 15:19.43 | valdyn | petemc: to the right of the : |
| 15:19.54 | petemc | oh, it supports any valid address in an alias file |
| 15:20.18 | valdyn | alright then |
| 15:20.26 | petemc | its just a redirect driver |
| 15:21.18 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: this is interesting. `dmesg | grep -i nvidia` says 18x version anyway? |
| 15:21.27 | _sleepy_ | http://pastie.org/712828 : Now my question is: where is this cursed 185.18.31 ? |
| 15:21.55 | valdyn | judd: versions nvidia-glx |
| 15:21.56 | judd | valdyn: nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 190.42-2 |
| 15:22.26 | valdyn | _sleepy_: you are using debian packages for this? |
| 15:22.47 | _sleepy_ | for 190 yes |
| 15:23.05 | valdyn | _sleepy_: dpkg -l | grep nvidia-kernel |
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| 15:23.33 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: pastebin lsmod |
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| 15:24.41 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: http://pastie.org/712836 |
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| 15:25.27 | MoDaX | nvidia usage count is insane |
| 15:25.32 | warders | hello |
| 15:25.51 | _sleepy_ | valdyn: i'm using debian package from sid but the story is a little more complicated |
| 15:26.10 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: modinfo nvidia |
| 15:26.13 | valdyn | _sleepy_: yea, but that wasnt my question |
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| 15:26.30 | rgr | oo, 64 bit eh? |
| 15:26.37 | ubsafder | hello |
| 15:26.45 | ubsafder | anyone knows how can get a web page from the comand line looking for some like wget but different ? |
| 15:26.50 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: i havn't this command |
| 15:27.10 | valdyn | ubsafder: curl |
| 15:27.11 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: as root |
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| 15:27.40 | pfred1 | do I dare give Debian another shot? |
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| 15:27.50 | valdyn | pfred1: do we care? |
| 15:28.03 | pfred1 | valdyn I didn't ask if you did. |
| 15:28.08 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: http://pastie.org/712839 |
| 15:28.14 | fireflyseo | petemc: valdyn: Its exim4, its not configured. Don't use it. |
| 15:28.35 | valdyn | fireflyseo: hmm? |
| 15:28.47 | valdyn | fireflyseo: you should at least configure it to deliver local mail |
| 15:28.50 | warders | i installed debian last night on another pc and now i want to download the packages and such, but when i try to reload synaptic and get updates it hangs up giving errors that i can't connect to the server, but i can surf the web fine on it |
| 15:29.02 | warders | any ideas |
| 15:29.15 | Justin | warders: "errors"? |
| 15:29.50 | pfred1 | valdyn but yes abrasive people like you do make the choice subjective. |
| 15:29.52 | warders | Justin: could not download all repository indexes |
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| 15:30.06 | valdyn | _sleepy_: its a simple error, but i dont want to blindly guess, which is why i asked for "dpkg -l | grep nvidia-kernel" |
| 15:30.14 | fireflyseo | valdyn: :( That sounds like a pain |
| 15:30.26 | MoDaX | hrrr |
| 15:30.28 | fireflyseo | valdyn: Just want it to forward everything to my gmail |
| 15:30.30 | valdyn | fireflyseo: thats "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config" and hitting enter a few times |
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| 15:30.46 | MoDaX | stupid nvidia |
| 15:31.02 | MoDaX | but that module must be somewhere |
| 15:31.04 | _sleepy_ | valdyn: http://pastie.org/712846 |
| 15:31.10 | pfred1 | MoDaX their pkg.run1 file isn't so bad |
| 15:31.13 | _sleepy_ | yes, must be |
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| 15:31.30 | warders | i should also mention that it is connected to the internet through a windows laptop |
| 15:31.40 | valdyn | _sleepy_: what does "modprobe -r nvidia" give ? |
| 15:31.46 | _sleepy_ | pfred1: with theyr pkg.run is the same story |
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| 15:32.03 | pfred1 | _sleepy_ what story would that be? |
| 15:32.26 | jeward | Upon upgrading my mail server from etch to lenny yesterday, we can no longer send out e-mail. imap and pop3 still work fine however. Can someone help me resolve this problem? I'm using dovecot, postfix, mysql. |
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| 15:32.53 | _sleepy_ | valdyn: http://pastie.org/712851 |
| 15:32.55 | valdyn | _sleepy_: can i forget about you having run an nvidia installer *after* installing debian packages for nvidia or did you possibly do that? |
| 15:32.57 | Sarago | is there a package for modx |
| 15:33.15 | valdyn | _sleepy_: any trouble to just reboot? |
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| 15:33.37 | valdyn | _sleepy_: is your X running but out of the specs of your monitor? |
| 15:33.59 | _sleepy_ | valdyn: i run nvidia installer before debian packages |
| 15:34.06 | _sleepy_ | but i uninstalled it |
| 15:34.13 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: lets do like this. aptitude purge nvidia-kernel-`uname -r`; mv /lib/modules/`uname -r` /lib/modules/`uname -r`.bak; aptitude reinstall linux-image-`uname -r`; m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 15:34.50 | _sleepy_ | ok, i try |
| 15:34.52 | valdyn | _sleepy_: uninstalled before or after installing the debian stuff? |
| 15:35.01 | _sleepy_ | before |
| 15:35.03 | pfred1 | MoDaX backing up my modules saved my hide last night! |
| 15:35.30 | MoDaX | valdyn: that's the whole point. nvidia installer module is somewhere, we can't find it |
| 15:35.34 | warders | .... |
| 15:35.36 | valdyn | _sleepy_: you just need to reboot or kill currently running X |
| 15:35.48 | valdyn | MoDaX: modinfo showed you that its using debians module |
| 15:35.50 | pfred1 | find / -name nvidia.o ? |
| 15:35.58 | _sleepy_ | valdyn: i rebooted manu times already |
| 15:36.04 | valdyn | _sleepy_: ok |
| 15:36.18 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: I think I know |
| 15:36.22 | MoDaX | maybe |
| 15:36.26 | pfred1 | depmod -ae ? |
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| 15:36.33 | _sleepy_ | ok, i'm trying |
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| 15:36.37 | valdyn | _sleepy_: "find /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ -name nvidia.ko" |
| 15:36.44 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: have you started doing what I told you? |
| 15:36.51 | MoDaX | valdyn: did that before |
| 15:36.52 | _sleepy_ | yes MoDaX |
| 15:37.00 | MoDaX | ok, then proceed |
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| 15:37.27 | pom | How can I boot with verbose boot logging? |
| 15:37.48 | valdyn | !bootlog |
| 15:37.48 | dpkg | somebody said bootlogd was disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to populate /var/log/boot . For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg). |
| 15:37.58 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: grep nvidia /etc/modules ? anything? |
| 15:38.24 | Sarago | does anyone know if debian has a package for modx? modxcms.com |
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| 15:38.36 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: nothing |
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| 15:39.03 | pfred1 | _sleepy_ if the source hasn't been built on your system then the nvidia installer doesn't work |
| 15:39.08 | Linux-IRC | Hi, |
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| 15:39.17 | valdyn | pfred1: umm? |
| 15:39.19 | Linux-IRC | What's the current version for kde ? |
| 15:39.23 | Linux-IRC | on debian stable |
| 15:39.27 | MoDaX | pfred1: nvidia installer is a very BAD idea on debian |
| 15:39.30 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: 3.5.10 |
| 15:39.31 | ranix | judd: versions kde |
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| 15:39.32 | judd | ranix: kde -- etch: 5:47 lenny: 5:48 sid: 5:48 |
| 15:39.45 | pfred1 | valdyn if the nvidia installer has to build a module for your system and you've never built your kernel on your system it doesn't work least it never has for me |
| 15:39.45 | valdyn | _sleepy_: run that find command... |
| 15:39.57 | valdyn | pfred1: works fine |
| 15:40.21 | valdyn | pfred1: i can only imagine that you had no "linux-headers-$(uname -r)" installed |
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| 15:40.25 | ranix | pfred1: apt-get install kernel-healders-`uname -r` ? |
| 15:40.26 | Linux-IRC | I want to install debian sid , how can i do that? Where would i get debian sid iso from ? |
| 15:40.35 | Linux-IRC | Can anyone give the link? |
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| 15:40.45 | ranix | or was it linux-headers |
| 15:40.47 | ranix | I forgot |
| 15:40.52 | pfred1 | valdyn maybe its changed I have an older system |
| 15:40.53 | Titan8990 | Linux-IRC, if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using sid |
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| 15:41.26 | jeward | Can anyone help me with a postfix/saslatuh problem. Lenny broked it. |
| 15:41.33 | ranix | Linux-IRC: why are you looking at sid |
| 15:42.05 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: i reinstalled the kernel, now i reboot before compiling the module |
| 15:42.13 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: no |
| 15:42.19 | _sleepy_ | no? |
| 15:42.20 | _sleepy_ | ok |
| 15:42.21 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: you don't need to |
| 15:42.39 | ranix | !reboot |
| 15:42.39 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
| 15:43.03 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: redo m-a a-i nvidia now |
| 15:43.08 | debian_kde | good evening all. first time in #debian. the maximum uid/gid on 32 bit debian is 2^32-1. what about amd64? is it 2^64-1? couldn't find the answer on web. |
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| 15:43.24 | bubbusetti | hello |
| 15:43.24 | _sleepy_ | ok, finished |
| 15:43.28 | MoDaX | but now I realized the problem was not there probably |
| 15:43.33 | bubbusetti | !list |
| 15:43.33 | dpkg | bubbusetti: VATTENE VIA |
| 15:43.38 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: update-initramfs -u -k `uname-r` |
| 15:43.43 | dalfz | what is the command to add the default lenny repos key? |
| 15:43.51 | _sleepy_ | ok |
| 15:43.53 | bubbusetti | scusame xche? |
| 15:43.54 | MoDaX | that's where that old module got to probably |
| 15:44.13 | valdyn | debian_kde: should be the same, but i dont know either |
| 15:44.25 | valdyn | debian_kde: plenty tools might use "int" though, and thats 32-bit on both |
| 15:44.32 | _sleepy_ | ok, i try |
| 15:44.37 | bubbusetti | !list |
| 15:44.37 | dpkg | bubbusetti: VATTENE VIA |
| 15:45.18 | djveer | Hey guys, if i'm going to provide SSH access to a machine for somebody (giving them some basic web hosting) how do I prevent them from having access to things they shouldn't? Is there an easy way to do it? |
| 15:45.38 | ranix | djveer: chroot jail, and proper file permissions |
| 15:45.49 | Linux-IRC | ranix: I want to use latest packages |
| 15:46.00 | ranix | djveer: or a virtual machine |
| 15:46.07 | ranix | !version chasing |
| 15:46.07 | dpkg | A higher version number does not mean that it's better, it just means newer. Debian's "stable" release might not have the latest packages, but it has packages that have been tested and bugfixed and for selected packages you can use backports.org. You should have a better reason than "newer" when considering compiling from source or using 3rd party repos. Ask me about <backports.org> Tell us what you're doing isn't just <sns syndrome>. |
| 15:46.12 | debian_kde | valdyn: ok |
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| 15:46.19 | debian_kde | djveer: jailroot |
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| 15:46.26 | ranix | Linux-IRC: sid is not usable |
| 15:46.27 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: use testing |
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| 15:46.39 | ranix | Linux-IRC: you should use stable with backports when necessary |
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| 15:46.41 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: squeeze ? |
| 15:46.46 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: yes |
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| 15:47.05 | Linux-IRC | ranix: Why ? |
| 15:47.07 | ranix | you should only be using squeeze if you have a particular reason to use squeeze, or if you submit bugreports |
| 15:47.20 | Linux-IRC | ranix: I see craigevil use sid |
| 15:47.24 | Linux-IRC | uses |
| 15:47.29 | ranix | !sns syndrome |
| 15:47.30 | dpkg | well, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 15:47.46 | MoDaX | ranix: there is nothing wrong if Linux-IRC wants a newer kde |
| 15:48.03 | ranix | yeah newer KDE is a valid reason to use squeeze |
| 15:48.19 | ranix | if we don't get into debating the usefulness of KDE ;) |
| 15:48.35 | craigevil | ranix: sid is just as usable as testing, its just something msot people probably shouldnt use, testing is where packages get removed more often than sid |
| 15:48.45 | MoDaX | !lenny -> squeeze |
| 15:48.53 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: Where would i get squeeze .iso file ? |
| 15:49.07 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: just dist-upgrade to testing from stable |
| 15:49.18 | ranix | craigevil: I posit that sid is not usable to people who need to ask where to find isos |
| 15:49.19 | pfred1 | is running KDE version 3.3.1 and likes it fine. |
| 15:49.22 | ewet- | Wasn't there a KDE backport? |
| 15:49.28 | ewet- | KDE4 |
| 15:49.31 | MoDaX | change lenny to squeeze in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:49.51 | debian_kde | has anyone tried freenx on lenny? how is the performance of shadowing? |
| 15:49.54 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: ^^. and aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 15:49.57 | pfred1 | though if truth be told KDE version .4 did leave an awful lot to be desired ... |
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| 15:50.06 | MoDaX | ewet-: no |
| 15:50.06 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: and finally it worked! |
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| 15:50.10 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: Is it possible to get squeez.iso file ? |
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| 15:50.27 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: great. anything in grep nvidia /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ? |
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| 15:50.57 | warders | no oe knows? |
| 15:50.59 | _sleepy_ | nothing |
| 15:51.00 | pfred1 | Linux-IRC one thing I always did like about Debian was their network install |
| 15:51.10 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: squeeze is not released yet. better upgrade from stable |
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| 15:51.34 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: thank you for your patience |
| 15:51.37 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: then I don't know how initramfs managed to pick up your old module... |
| 15:51.48 | pfred1 | _sleepy_ you got it to work? |
| 15:51.49 | _sleepy_ | ok |
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| 15:51.53 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: When will squeeze be released? december ? |
| 15:51.58 | _sleepy_ | pfred1: yes |
| 15:52.03 | pfred1 | _sleepy_ sweet! |
| 15:52.04 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: End of december ? |
| 15:52.15 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: grep -r nvidia /etc/initramfs-tools |
| 15:52.18 | debian_kde | Linux-IRC: the coming december?? |
| 15:52.23 | pfred1 | _sleepy_ yeah nvidia bin bit of a pain to install but once its going I like it. |
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| 15:52.36 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: no, likely Q3-Q4 of 2010 |
| 15:52.46 | _sleepy_ | MoDaX: nothing |
| 15:53.07 | MoDaX | _sleepy_: well, don't forget update-initramfs -u command then |
| 15:53.12 | djveer | debian_kde: would that be meaning to chroot SSH? Do you have any links that explain jailroot ? sorry for being stupid |
| 15:53.25 | _sleepy_ | ok, ty |
| 15:53.26 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: Waiting for 5 months !! |
| 15:53.32 | debian_kde | djveer: chroot ssh |
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| 15:53.39 | debian_kde | djveer: using jailkit |
| 15:53.59 | djveer | debian_kde: okay cool thanks |
| 15:54.10 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: debian release cycle is ~2 years. but you can always use rolling suites (testing, sid) |
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| 15:54.45 | pfred1 | MoDaX about 3X faster than I like to upgrade but what can one do? |
| 15:54.48 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: That's why people switched to sidux |
| 15:54.52 | _sleepy_ | now hope that things will improve in the testing's repo |
| 15:55.07 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: sidux is unstable with cover |
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| 15:55.31 | pfred1 | MoDaX that is a selling feature in Debians favor that I hadn't considered. |
| 15:55.42 | MoDaX | pfred1: that's how debian works |
| 15:55.44 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: That's why i'll go for debian sid to use |
| 15:56.01 | pfred1 | MoDaX yeah I've been trying Debian for about 13 years now off and on |
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| 15:56.56 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: well, whatever a nice cover is, it is still unstable under the hood. and believe testing is better for inexperienced users |
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| 15:57.06 | MoDaX | and I* |
| 15:57.19 | MoDaX | but you choose |
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| 15:57.31 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: What's the kernel version and kde version for squeeze(testing) ? |
| 15:57.47 | MoDaX | 2.6.30 and 4.3.2 |
| 15:57.57 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: Fantastic |
| 15:58.10 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: But still to wait for 5 months |
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| 15:58.30 | MayaT | unexperienced users... still readings the pdf file on how to install debian.. :) |
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| 15:58.52 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: squeeze will have 4.4.x when released |
| 15:59.07 | pfred1 | MayaT no amount of reading has ever prepared me for dselect! |
| 15:59.19 | debian_kde | MayaT: http://tinyurl.com/yhh282d |
| 15:59.20 | pfred1 | gawd I sweat bullets in that app! |
| 15:59.34 | MoDaX | pfred1: dselect is rotten software from ancient times |
| 15:59.58 | pfred1 | MoDaX every time i install debian I always manage to end up there but it has been a number of years now. |
| 15:59.58 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: Will that testing-squeeze support all that architecture like debian lenny does, i386,64,ppc,sparc etc ? |
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| 16:00.23 | MayaT | :) hehehee... |
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| 16:00.58 | pfred1 | MoDaX no new Debian no more dselect? |
| 16:01.02 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: yes expect arm in favour of armel and maybe other almost dead ones |
| 16:01.20 | pom | valdyn: Where do I apply !bootlog? |
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| 16:01.52 | MoDaX | pfred1: dselect has been undeveloped legacy for a long time already. use aptitude |
| 16:01.52 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: Why does debian take so many time to release a new one,(2 years you said) while other take 6 months ? |
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| 16:02.05 | pfred1 | MoDaX does Debian still have those two floppy images that allow for a net install? |
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| 16:02.14 | MoDaX | pfred1: maybe |
| 16:02.17 | Linux-IRC | pfred1: Use aptitude or apt-get |
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| 16:02.29 | Linux-IRC | pfred1: Or synaptic |
| 16:02.30 | pfred1 | Linux-IRC on an initial install? |
| 16:02.47 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: because debian stable is better tested |
| 16:03.18 | MoDaX | and because we take our time when developing something |
| 16:03.18 | cahoot | Linux-IRC: you sort of answered the question yourself - re all the supported archs |
| 16:03.49 | pfred1 | MoDaX the last time I tried to install Debian I tried stable and ran onto a horrible bug with the sound came here and it was confirmed borked version conflicts between a couple packages was so long ago I can't remember all the gory details |
| 16:04.13 | pfred1 | MoDaX all I remember is it was a towel tosser for me. |
| 16:05.19 | pfred1 | MoDaX that must have been around 2006 |
| 16:05.27 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: Testing for 2 years!, fine,but if they test kde4.1 for 6 months and then 4.3 comes out , then testers start to test 4.3 again,so desn't it take 6 months to test one release of desktop environment like kde ? or if testers test one package for 3 months then the new version of that package comes out then what do the testers do ? |
| 16:05.35 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: ubuntu are just testing+sid mix with stable label and marketing cherry on top + some buggy packages |
| 16:05.37 | pfred1 | MoDaX no wait scratch that 2003 |
| 16:05.59 | MoDaX | pfred1: debian has progressed much since then |
| 16:06.11 | pfred1 | MoDaX haven't we all? |
| 16:06.14 | RichiH | !9AA38DCD55BE302B |
| 16:06.39 | MoDaX | pfred1: maybe. then why are you complaining about the past? ;) |
| 16:06.41 | hark | RichiH: install debian-archive-keyring |
| 16:06.47 | RichiH | :) |
| 16:06.56 | debian_kde | how about the booting speed of squeeze? has it improved like ubuntu? I heard that dash is the default shell in squeeze. how does it speedup the booting? |
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| 16:07.26 | pfred1 | MoDaX I do not look on stating simple facts as complaints. They are merely statements. |
| 16:07.32 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: testing is rolling distro until the freeze |
| 16:07.39 | MoDaX | like sid |
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| 16:07.54 | pfred1 | MoDaX though i have met another group of people that view it as you do. |
| 16:09.16 | pfred1 | debian_kde if only Ubuntu would allow root login this would be a no brainer |
| 16:09.17 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: it is supposed to be more stable than sid because very buggy packages do not reach it. but sometimes testing might have more broken packages than sid |
| 16:10.09 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: Some packages are very older , for example eclipse |
| 16:10.24 | Linux-IRC | debian eclipse package |
| 16:10.43 | valdyn | Linux-IRC: upstream eclipse works fine on debian too |
| 16:10.50 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: last time I heard eclipse packaging was very problematic. and lacking manpower |
| 16:11.38 | MoDaX | debian is volunteer project after all... |
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| 16:12.52 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: I don't use ubuntu now , it seems ubuntu updates the desktop environment but the other packages of debian are still older like eclipse , the most used packages are updated like pidgin , gimp,empathy etc |
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| 16:13.12 | Linux-IRC | openoffice |
| 16:13.42 | pfred1 | Linux-IRC sounds like they use some thought in where they choose to make their efforts to me. |
| 16:13.51 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: sure, because they are "selling" ubuntu on this -> more money |
| 16:14.05 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: Ubuntu is free.. |
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| 16:14.13 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: free cd |
| 16:14.48 | andyzweb | what is the commonly accepted notation/syntax for something entered in the command-line when asking for help/support in IRC? |
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| 16:15.39 | pavelm | hi, is anyone familiar with UML ? I am getting the following error http://pastebin.com/m26a90af8 |
| 16:15.56 | TheJoe | So I broke NTLDR with GRUB, so I ran bootsect.exe, I can boot into Windows, but GRUB is overlooked completely |
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| 16:16.44 | MoDaX | Linux-IRC: they sell support. they need userbase |
| 16:16.59 | MoDaX | so they only care about what most people use |
| 16:17.00 | TheJoe | Do the good peopole of Debian know anything amounting to a potential solution? |
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| 16:17.04 | andyzweb | TheJoe: are you trying to set grub back to the system's bootloader? |
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| 16:17.25 | TheJoe | andyzweb: Yes, I've already tried chroot and root (hd0) and whatnot |
| 16:17.41 | TheJoe | Nothing seems to do it |
| 16:17.54 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: What's "userbase" ?22:17 < MoDaX> Linux-IRC: they sell support. they need userbase |
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| 16:19.02 | FreakGuard | how to add sources and apt-keys with d-i ? |
| 16:19.08 | andyzweb | well anyway how do I configure what the 'startx' command does |
| 16:19.37 | andyzweb | TheJoe: try googling "write grub to mbr" |
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| 16:19.45 | TheJoe | eh why not |
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| 16:20.06 | Linux-IRC | MoDaX: But here http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian , i see kdebase 4.3.2 ,why ? |
| 16:22.08 | Meths | andyzweb: generally with a .xinitrc and whatever xorg.conf setup you use. |
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| 16:22.48 | jelly | judd: versions kdebase-runtime |
| 16:22.48 | judd | jelly: kdebase-runtime -- lenny: 4:4.1.0-2 sid: 4:4.3.2-1 squeeze: 4:4.3.2-1 |
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| 16:24.20 | jelly | Linux-IRC: that table seems to be ok, if a bit lagging |
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| 16:25.17 | blood_diamond | how an initrd image can be made in debian |
| 16:26.25 | andyzweb | Meths: thanks |
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| 16:26.36 | Meths | You're welcome. |
| 16:26.38 | jelly | blood_diamond: using the tools in initramfs package (and technically it'd be an initramfs image) |
| 16:27.03 | andyzweb | Meths: where is .xinitrc located? |
| 16:27.08 | jelly | er, sorry, initramfs-tools package, blood_diamond |
| 16:27.21 | Meths | andyzweb: normally ~ |
| 16:27.59 | Meths | andyzweb: with a global one probably in /etc/X11 |
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| 16:28.37 | MayaT | am |
| 16:28.39 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is there a way i can disable the screen dark out feature which happens after a while i leave my computer unused? |
| 16:28.49 | blood_diamond | jelly, what is the difference betwen initrd and initramfs. they satnd for same purpose, aren't they? |
| 16:28.51 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | it irritates a lot when i am playing some game and idling for a while |
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| 16:29.03 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is it gnome specific? because it happens in the terminals also |
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| 16:33.28 | jelly | blood_diamond: different format and different backend technology used. Debian's kernels use initramfs since 4.0. /msg dpkg initramfs |
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| 16:34.02 | tck9 | do GPT partitions have a size limit for a partition? |
| 16:34.13 | tck9 | most regular partitions created with fdisk have a 2TB limit. |
| 16:34.35 | blood_diamond | is there any way to get the configuration of kernel running in debian? |
| 16:34.41 | blood_diamond | jelly, thanks |
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| 16:34.58 | petemc | blood_diamond: its in /boot/ |
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| 16:36.06 | blood_diamond | petemc, oh with more than 3 years with linux and i haven't seen it there. any way thanks |
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| 16:36.31 | Sarago | are there any good guides on procmail for a newb? |
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| 16:38.11 | petemc | Sarago: loads, just type procmail into google |
| 16:40.43 | asaleem | In gnome, is there a way to find what is the actual binary of a menu, say Applications - Graphics - Image viewer |
| 16:41.37 | EagleRock | asaleem: you should be able to right-click it and go to a properties menu or something...I don't use GNOME so I'm not sure...sorry |
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| 16:42.44 | asaleem | EagleRock, there are no properties, Just Add to this Launcher etc |
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| 16:45.40 | EagleRock | asaleem: which program is this specifically that you're trying to find? |
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| 16:46.26 | asaleem | EagleRock, Image Viewer. Actually, I want to associate png files to it in icedove |
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| 16:48.20 | andyzweb | how can I take a debian installation and purge everything till you have a base configuration |
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| 16:50.26 | EagleRock | asaleem: it's probably gthumb, but I'm not sure...you can find all the GNOME binaries in /usr/bin |
| 16:50.50 | adnc | how can i find out which packages a particular package depends on? |
| 16:51.20 | llutz | adnc: apt-cache depends package |
| 16:51.37 | EagleRock | adnc: aptitude show <package> also works |
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| 16:52.04 | adnc | thank you, i need a mail user agent like mailx or mail but without exim |
| 16:52.15 | adnc | but bsd-mailx wants to install exim |
| 16:52.41 | valdyn | adnc: those tools are useless without a sendmail clone like exim |
| 16:52.53 | adnc | valdyn, but i use esmtp |
| 16:52.58 | ranix | why don't you want exim |
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| 16:53.09 | adnc | ranix, since exim is much larger and i'm on a tiny board |
| 16:53.19 | ranix | ah |
| 16:53.21 | llutz | adnc: you need at least one mta installed, maybe try ssmtp |
| 16:53.42 | adnc | llutz, thanks i tried it, but ssmtp is not able todo "plain" auth |
| 16:53.46 | petemc | you need something to provide mail-transport-agent for the package system to be happy |
| 16:53.48 | adnc | i would prefer ssmtp |
| 16:54.27 | valdyn | adnc: "apt-cache search mail-transport-agent" will list sendmail equivalents |
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| 16:55.02 | valdyn | adnc: and esmtp-run provides your mail-transport-agent which mail depends on |
| 16:55.33 | valdyn | adnc: or bsd-mailx depends on |
| 16:56.06 | valdyn | adnc: ssmtp works too |
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| 17:00.13 | adnc | valdyn, yes, but without plain authentication |
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| 17:09.50 | tech13 | When filing a wishlist item that crosses packages, which do you file it against? would like to have php5-cups in debian. it semi-exists as example source inside of libcups2-dev at the moment. Should it be filed against php5 or cups? |
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| 17:15.59 | TrueDecko | HAAAAALP! |
| 17:16.08 | TrueDecko | need some help in debian |
| 17:16.20 | TrueDecko | trying to extract tar.gz archive and get error |
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| 17:16.35 | TrueDecko | An error occurred while loading tar:/home/ADMIN/eclipse-jee-galileo-SR1-linux-gtk.tar.gz/: |
| 17:16.36 | TrueDecko | Could not open the file, probably due to an unsupported file format. |
| 17:16.36 | TrueDecko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:17.44 | valdyn | TrueDecko: tar xzf file.tar.gz |
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| 17:19.00 | TrueDecko | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 17:19.00 | TrueDecko | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 17:19.00 | TrueDecko | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 17:19.00 | TrueDecko | sh-3.2$ |
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| 17:19.23 | valdyn | !tell TrueDecko -about paste |
| 17:19.39 | valdyn | TrueDecko: "file file.tar.gz" gives what? |
| 17:19.53 | TrueDecko | ahh. wait |
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| 17:21.24 | TrueDecko | http://paste.debian.net/52306 |
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| 17:23.33 | TrueDecko | hello? :D |
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| 17:23.48 | valdyn | 18:22 < valdyn> TrueDecko: "file file.tar.gz" gives what? |
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| 17:24.05 | re_ | is it possible to build a package on an i386 box for amd64 using dpkg -b ? |
| 17:24.15 | valdyn | TrueDecko: "file /home/ADMIN/eclipse-jee-galileo-SR1-linux-gtk.tar.gz" |
| 17:24.53 | TrueDecko | eclipse-jee-galileo-SR1-linux-gtk.tar.gz: data |
| 17:25.02 | TrueDecko | no data |
| 17:25.04 | TrueDecko | :D |
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| 17:25.43 | valdyn | TrueDecko: maybe that file is broken and you should redownload it |
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| 17:26.14 | TrueDecko | im redownloaded it 4 times |
| 17:26.16 | TrueDecko | same error |
| 17:26.20 | re_ | anyone? |
| 17:26.23 | TrueDecko | source: eclipse.org |
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| 17:27.53 | ranix | re_: you would need to direct dpkg to use a cross-compiler if that's possible |
| 17:28.13 | ranix | so instead of gcc you would use gcc-crosstool-ia64 or something |
| 17:28.25 | re_ | rainix: ok thanks. will look into that |
| 17:28.45 | ranix | someone else might have more info, I don't really build packages often |
| 17:29.24 | valdyn | TrueDecko: the original file gives "eclipse-jee-galileo-SR1-linux-gtk.tar.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Sun Sep 20 13:09:43 2009 |
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| 17:32.35 | valdyn | re_: not possible unless you build a debian/i386 chroot system |
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| 17:33.03 | valdyn | re_: err, vice versa, but that requires virtualisation |
| 17:33.20 | valdyn | re_: its a bad idea, to much work |
| 17:34.04 | re_ | valdyn: ok thanks.. so it sounds like it's just easier to build stuff on the appropriate arch then, right? |
| 17:34.20 | valdyn | re_: yes |
| 17:34.29 | re_ | valdyn: cool, thanks again |
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| 17:34.53 | adnc | petemc, thanks to you and others who helped with esmtp-run that solved the dependency |
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| 17:37.51 | joeyyy | anyone know of any auto config scripts for kernels |
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| 17:38.46 | AndyGraybeal | is debian 5.03 work well with kvm ? |
| 17:38.46 | cahoot | make oldconfig |
| 17:39.04 | Spec | Heya, I just migrated a debian server into virtualandia, and my ethernet interfaces are showing up as "eth6" and "eth7", but there are no eth[0-5]'s, what controls this behavior and how do I get my interfaces to be eth0 and eth1, respectively? |
| 17:39.22 | Spec | This is a Debian Etch server, and there is no /etc/iftab. |
| 17:39.45 | cahoot | !z70 |
| 17:39.55 | Spec | and dmesg claims "e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel..blah", as well as eth1 |
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| 17:40.41 | xreal | How can I run memtest86+ from bash? |
| 17:40.47 | Meths | Spec: See if /etc/network/interfaces sheds any light on the situation |
| 17:40.53 | xreal | apt-get install install memtest86+ works, but how to run it ß |
| 17:41.05 | Spec | Meths: Already checked, it's fine. iface eth0 inet static (same with eth1) |
| 17:41.08 | cahoot | xreal: it's a boot option |
| 17:41.13 | xreal | d'oh |
| 17:41.25 | xreal | okay, then I'll got for a live CD. |
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| 17:42.51 | limpio | hi, are the figures shown in 'top' and 'htop' are they bytes or kb? |
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| 17:43.49 | limpio | anybody? |
| 17:44.33 | SlayerXP | limpio: which figures? |
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| 17:45.58 | AndyGraybeal | what is the difference between apt-get install and aptitude ? |
| 17:46.05 | AndyGraybeal | er aptitude install |
| 17:46.12 | themill | AndyGraybeal: /msg dpkg why aptitude |
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| 17:46.41 | Sibul | AndyGraybeal, "same thing different program" |
| 17:46.44 | themill | AndyGraybeal: from lenny onwards, if all goes well, there is no difference. |
| 17:46.47 | AndyGraybeal | thank you guys |
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| 17:47.06 | Spec | Are there module-to-interface definitions somewhere? |
| 17:47.14 | limpio | SlayerXP, the ones for memory thx |
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| 17:49.01 | AndyGraybeal | you guys use virtualization with debian? |
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| 17:49.04 | limpio | SlayerXP, the column RES |
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| 17:49.20 | AndyGraybeal | i see that it works with KVM now.. i used to use Ubuntu KVM cause debian stable didn't ahve it available |
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| 17:50.22 | themill | judd versions kvm |
| 17:50.30 | judd | themill: kvm -- etch-backports: 28-4~bpo.1 lenny: 72+dfsg-5~lenny1 lenny-security: 72+dfsg-5~lenny3 squeeze: 72+dfsg-5 squeeze-security: 72+dfsg-5+squeeze1 lenny-backports: 85+dfsg-4~bpo50+1 sid: 85+dfsg-4.1 experimental: 88+dfsg-1 |
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| 17:51.05 | themill | AndyGraybeal: you might like to look at backports.org for newer kvm packages for stable. |
| 17:52.04 | AndyGraybeal | themill: interesting thank you |
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| 17:53.57 | AndyGraybeal | i've never heard of backports |
| 17:55.03 | AndyGraybeal | themill: i would be scared to backport :) |
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| 17:55.10 | AndyGraybeal | sounds like it could get messy in the future |
| 17:55.12 | espen_ | im trying to mount a software raid, /dev/md0 - but im getting an error msg saying |
| 17:55.16 | espen_ | EXT3-fs: md0: couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (240). |
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| 17:57.27 | Justin | espen_: did you google that error message? |
| 17:57.39 | espen_ | no |
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| 17:58.31 | ewet- | MoDaX: okay I have an amd64 live cd now and tried chroot to my debian system however: |
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| 17:59.20 | ewet- | "chroot: cannot run command `/bin/sh' no such file or directory" |
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| 18:00.00 | ewet- | /mnt/luks3 is root of this system |
| 18:00.14 | Justin | ewet-: ls -l /mnt/luks3/bin/sh ? |
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| 18:00.58 | ewet- | Justin: -> bash |
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| 18:01.23 | cp84 | does anyone know of a proxy server that will let me charge people? to run on my debian server? |
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| 18:01.37 | rp2 | hello word ... i'm new to debian and i have some questions about the build process for packages |
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| 18:01.52 | Guilherminhoh | oi |
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| 18:02.04 | rp2 | does anyone keep a list of files used in building a binary package? |
| 18:02.36 | cp84 | basicly i want to use my wifi to setup a hotspot but my gateways are not compatible with and software so i need to do it with a proxy or something |
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| 18:02.57 | ewet- | Justin: /mnt/luks3/ is a faily vanilla debian system (aside from the missing libc6) |
| 18:02.58 | Justin | rp2: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ ? |
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| 18:03.06 | rp2 | as far as i can see every binary package is built from a source package, but a source package may be used for multiple binary package. so i was wondering, does anyone keep a list of which files in the source package are actually used to build which binary package (for which platform)? |
| 18:03.21 | Justin | ewet-: if you are missing libc6 then chroot will not work unless you exec a statically linked shell |
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| 18:03.54 | themill | rp2: no, that's pretty much impossible to do in a general sense. You'd have to study the build system to actually find that out. |
| 18:03.57 | rp2 | hmmm ... maint-guide seems useful, thanks |
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| 18:04.11 | Justin | impossible and pointless. who cares which files are used? |
| 18:04.25 | rp2 | themill: my idea is that it would probably be good enough to simply track which files are open()ed during building |
| 18:04.26 | cp84 | no one? |
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| 18:05.07 | ewet- | Justin: what I have done so far is to extract the libc6 package and "cp -a libc6/lib /mnt/luks3" |
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| 18:05.12 | themill | rp2: "strace -f -e open" might do that for you, but eek. What's the use of this, btw? |
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| 18:05.25 | rp2 | every copy of a file (to install it) presumably open()s it, and all other uses of files will be tracked as well, with minor exceptions that i can live with |
| 18:05.51 | ewet- | so libc.so.6 is there |
| 18:05.58 | rp2 | themill: i'm wondering how much of the source packages is unused. |
| 18:05.58 | Justin | ewet-: install busybox-static and copy that into your chroot and run that |
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| 18:07.23 | themill | rp2: very little as a general rule. The build system is left in place for other platforms, but if there are large files that aren't used at all, then they will often be stripped out of the package prior to upload (you'll see that as a +ds1, +dfsg.1 +1 or whatever in the upstream package version) |
| 18:07.31 | rp2 | i suppose i could set up a Debian system and set up an autmated byild system that builds everything and traces the open() calls, but i was hoping someone else has already done this work. furthermore it would limit results to a single platform |
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| 18:08.31 | Justin | rp2: i doubt anyone else cares |
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| 18:09.18 | rp2 | i'm pretty sure some people care, that's why i ask. |
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| 18:10.59 | ewet- | Justin: busybox.static gives the same error |
| 18:11.08 | rp2 | thanks ... |
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| 18:12.00 | ewet- | Justin: oh man gentoo is x86_64 that's it right? (my debian is amd64) |
| 18:12.11 | Justin | it's the same thing |
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| 18:12.33 | ewet- | okay so no binary incompatibilities? |
| 18:12.51 | Justin | how did you attempt to run busybox? |
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| 18:14.12 | ewet- | Justin: "chroot mnt/luks3 busybox.static" and [...] /bin/busybox.static and [...] /mnt/luks3/[...] |
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| 18:14.25 | Justin | huh |
| 18:14.41 | ewet- | 3 different attempts |
| 18:14.56 | Justin | pastebin what you actually typed and what the actual output was |
| 18:15.19 | rp2 | themill: where do i find more information about this "ds1" thing? |
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| 18:16.11 | ewet- | Justin: I have to actually type everything in as gentoo root has a random password (so I cannot log on xterm) and gpm won't work but here it is.. |
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| 18:17.09 | Justin | you don't HAVE to type in anything, you are just helpless without a mouse lol |
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| 18:17.36 | Justin | screen can copy and paste. or script can record an entire session. or you could CHANGE the root password to fix whatever problem you think you have with that |
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| 18:18.48 | ewet- | Justin: however... here it is |
| 18:19.09 | themill | rp2: devref §6.7.8.2 describes he practice of repacking upstream tarballs. |
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| 18:20.37 | ewet- | "chroot /mnt/luks3 busybox.static" gives "chroot: cannot run command `busybox.static': No such file or directory" |
| 18:20.47 | Justin | of course it does |
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| 18:21.07 | Justin | chroot /mnt/lucks3 /bin/busybox |
| 18:21.17 | ewet- | "chroot /mnt/luks3 /bin/busybox.static" same thing |
| 18:21.28 | Justin | where are you getting busybox.static from? |
| 18:21.28 | ewet- | that's what I tried to tell you |
| 18:21.33 | Justin | tried. failed. |
| 18:21.40 | greycat | if you get nosuchfile on a thing that exists, it probably means you forgot your /lib/ld-linux* and /lib/libc* and so on |
| 18:21.54 | ewet- | from /bin |
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| 18:21.56 | Justin | greycat: on a static executable? |
| 18:22.13 | greycat | prove that it's statically linked first. |
| 18:22.20 | Justin | I told him to install busybox-static |
| 18:22.26 | greycat | hell, given what I walked in on, prove that it actually exists. |
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| 18:23.43 | greycat | Also, just an unrelated FYI, APC PowerChute software is the most abysmal, wretched, nonfunctional excuse for a commercial software package I've see\n in years. |
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| 18:24.00 | jelly | Is there an option for fstab equivalent to mount -n, that is, to tell mount not to populate /etc/mtab? I've got a couple dozens of filesystems I care not to see in df output |
| 18:24.26 | pfred1 | greycat some have said the same about Debian. |
| 18:24.33 | greycat | are you sure df reads /etc/mtab and not /proc/mounts? |
| 18:24.40 | jelly | greycat: yes. |
| 18:24.44 | jelly | Thankfully! |
| 18:24.53 | Justin | pfred1: only an idiot would say that, debian is not commercial software |
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| 18:25.16 | greycat | Debian also includes apcupsd, which unlike PowerChute, actually installs. |
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| 18:25.39 | rp2 | themill: ! thanks. i thought orig actually meant orig, apparently not :) |
| 18:25.46 | pfred1 | Justin thats not what Jörg Schilling would have to say. |
| 18:25.59 | greycat | And as an added bonus, apcupsd does NOT put a 1.4.2 Java runtime environment under /bin/java/ |
| 18:26.06 | Justin | does anyone other than Jörg Schilling care what Jörg Schilling says? |
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| 18:26.21 | pfred1 | Justin people that want to burn CDs. |
| 18:26.26 | jelly | pfred1: did you know he's often online on this network? You may have a chat... |
| 18:26.27 | Justin | greycat: /bin/java? that is like 5 kinds of fails in one |
| 18:26.44 | themill | rp2: ideally it does. It's only when upstream releases truly idiot tarballs that they need repacking. |
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| 18:26.52 | greycat | Justin: /bin/java/jre/1.4.2something/bin/java in the end. |
| 18:26.56 | Justin | pfred1: yes, people that do nothing but make tar files all day and burn them to cd, I would imagine they might care |
| 18:27.07 | Justin | i'm sure they are happily running schillux too |
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| 18:27.26 | themill | jelly: df picks up things in places like /media/.hal-mtab too |
| 18:27.30 | rp2 | themill: i understand. well that's another think i could check for, the effect of repackaging, but one thign at a time ... |
| 18:27.37 | rp2 | s/think/thing/ |
| 18:27.47 | pfred1 | Justin I guess the bad blood still runs deep? |
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| 18:28.10 | jelly | themill: strace doesn't think so. |
| 18:28.16 | Justin | pfred1: like I said, I don't think anyone cares what he has to say |
| 18:28.18 | themill | pfred1: you're the one who brought it up. |
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| 18:28.51 | Justin | hipefully in a few more years optical media will go the way of the floppy and we'll never hear of him again |
| 18:28.53 | pfred1 | themill I do not think I brought it up I think it is simply there. |
| 18:29.11 | greycat | pfred1: you did bring it up. |
| 18:29.18 | ewet- | Justin: _any_ version of bb whatsoever will give me the same error |
| 18:29.18 | themill | pfred1: do you actually have a debian user support question we can help you with? Or are you just here to troll> |
| 18:29.32 | pfred1 | themill Indeed I do. |
| 18:29.36 | firefox_ | I need some pointers, I got a sata raid 5 with 3 500gb disk. I already installed windows and left 40gb for linux. a) is dual boot possible? I think its a software raid. b) can it be done w/o erasing windows? |
| 18:29.40 | themill | jelly: yeah, I just did that too. It definitely just told me the details of a usb disk I just inserted that is most definitely not in mtab. |
| 18:29.43 | Justin | ewet-: can you run /mnt/luks3/bin/busybox without chroot? |
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| 18:29.52 | pfred1 | themill What exactly is the present state of CD recording in Debian? |
| 18:29.54 | korhojoa | hello. long time no chat here |
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| 18:30.19 | jelly | pfred1: it usually works? |
| 18:30.26 | ewet- | Justin: yes |
| 18:30.27 | greycat | pfred1: if you want to use Joerg's cdrecord on Debian, go ahead. That's what I do. I just don't bring it up as an advocacy issue in #debian. |
| 18:30.31 | themill | pfred1: (a) that's not actually a debian user support question, (b) why are you asking me anyway and (c) Works for Me. |
| 18:30.33 | Titan8990 | was just eating lunch thinking about how vague that question is |
| 18:31.06 | pfred1 | greycat Thank you at least i know I have a choice. You have been most helpful. |
| 18:31.23 | korhojoa | So I've got a problem with a slow internet connection, and I need to install a computer via pxe. I've got the netboot image to run, and it installs, just _very_ slowly. what should i give the installer to make it use more from the tftp directory? also very helpful: does anyone know what to put in the directory? ;) |
| 18:31.28 | pfred1 | themill You specifically asked me. |
| 18:31.44 | themill | pfred1: that's because I was trying to decide if you should be +b or not. |
| 18:31.57 | pfred1 | themill Do what you will. |
| 18:32.15 | ewet- | MoDaX: you there? |
| 18:32.18 | pfred1 | themill You're such a reflection upon the community. |
| 18:32.38 | korhojoa | greycat: jesus, you're still here |
| 18:32.47 | themill | rp2: What's the end purpose of this research you're doing btw? It sounds like a lot of work to be doing... |
| 18:32.55 | Titan8990 | pfred1, your doing your best to troll then saying its our fault? |
| 18:33.12 | pfred1 | Titan8990 don't give me your little troll crap. OK? |
| 18:33.50 | ranix | judd: versions synergy2 |
| 18:33.52 | judd | ranix: synergy2 -- |
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| 18:33.54 | ranix | judd: versions synergy |
| 18:33.54 | judd | ranix: synergy -- etch: 1.3.1-2 lenny: 1.3.1-5 squeeze: 1.3.1-5 sid: 1.3.1-6 |
| 18:33.58 | nsadmin | themill: if we're voting, I'll say yes after that |
| 18:33.59 | jelly | pfred1: this channel usually deals with issues stated like "foo blah.iso fails to work with this output," and then a pastebin; generic questions like the one you asked don't lend themselves to a specific tech. solution. |
| 18:34.21 | ranix | shit |
| 18:34.40 | pfred1 | jelly I see. I was just trying to find out if Debian is a distribution I would use. |
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| 18:35.01 | pfred1 | jelly I for one do burn CDs. |
| 18:35.18 | nsadmin | pfred1: howbout this: install it, and try it |
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| 18:35.21 | greycat | Well, if "Debian developer A occasionally gets into a flame war with outsider B" is a reason for you not to use Debian, then so be it. |
| 18:35.22 | pfred1 | jelly I plan on burning one with a distribution on it shortly. |
| 18:35.24 | korhojoa | I got bored of using a cdrw drive. I nowadays use lighters and matches. |
| 18:35.28 | jelly | pfred1: me too. In Debian. With wodim/cdrkit. |
| 18:35.32 | korhojoa | It doesn't require me to use debian. |
| 18:35.36 | firefox_ | pfred1, have you checked out debian-offtopic? |
| 18:35.37 | pfred1 | nsadmin How about I'd rather not waste the plastic? |
| 18:36.00 | Justin | pfred1: how about you install from a usb drive like most people these days? |
| 18:36.01 | firefox_ | pfred1, well if thats how you feel youy're done here right? |
| 18:36.06 | korhojoa | However, I do use cdrecord for a random burn |
| 18:36.17 | rp2 | themill: it's for a planned case study (not mine btw) on source code analysis that takes Debian as a "representative" collection of source code. it's a lot of source code, so I think it's useful to add a few additional numbers to characterize it, as long as those numbers are already available, or easily computed. |
| 18:36.23 | nsadmin | you decide. but if you find it a waste, then you automatically become offtopic, and you're being hostile at this point as well |
| 18:36.28 | greycat | Justin: you mean I'm abnormal? Waah. |
| 18:36.39 | pfred1 | Justin How about I don't have a USB drive. |
| 18:36.42 | Justin | greycat: you use HP-UX on a regular basis. does it get more abnormal than that? |
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| 18:36.53 | greycat | Justin: only 'cause they pay me to. |
| 18:36.54 | rp2 | i don't care if it takes a few nights of work to accumulate such numbers, as long as i can make a computer do the work |
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| 18:37.02 | pobega | pfred1: calm down and stop being a sarcastic troll to everyone here |
| 18:37.08 | pfred1 | Justin I did not know it was a requirement for installing Debian. |
| 18:37.11 | Titan8990 | pfred1, they are $5 at the local drug store where im from.... |
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| 18:37.17 | nsadmin | pfred1 it looks like you've already decided |
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| 18:37.26 | korhojoa | greycat: seriously. i remember you from like 10 years ago, helping people here |
| 18:37.36 | pobega | pfred1: also, I recommend installing in a chroot and messing around from isnide of there. Decide from that. |
| 18:37.38 | Justin | pfred1: i think you are a perfect candidate for schillux |
| 18:37.40 | firefox_ | so no one has any answers or advice about installing dual boot debian/windows on a raid 5? |
| 18:37.41 | themill | rp2: if you're talking about an entire archive rebuild to work this out, you're talking about a bit more than a few evening's work. |
| 18:37.50 | pfred1 | nsadmin No I am still researching my decision. |
| 18:37.59 | korhojoa | firefox_: uhn. a software or hardware raid? |
| 18:38.01 | jelly | Justin: that's uncalled for. Also, "Schillix". |
| 18:38.08 | Justin | heh |
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| 18:38.13 | rp2 | themill: yes ... hence my initial question |
| 18:38.18 | nsadmin | pfred1: www.debian.org, packages.debian.org, bugs.debian.org |
| 18:38.19 | pfred1 | Justin I will have to give it a look. |
| 18:38.23 | Shadur | tries to figure out how to get alsa to default to the dmix plugin for music playback now that I've configured it. |
| 18:38.34 | firefox_ | korhojoa, I had to use drivers for windows, so I am guessing software |
| 18:38.51 | greycat | Shadur: usually by creating an /etc/asound.conf file |
| 18:39.02 | Titan8990 | firefox_, thats usually know as "fakeraid" |
| 18:39.04 | greycat | Shadur: e.g. http://wooledge.org/~greg/asound.conf |
| 18:39.11 | korhojoa | firefox_: off a dedicated raid card or a random mobo? |
| 18:39.16 | cahoot | is already default -no? |
| 18:39.17 | rp2 | we might set up a "massive Debian package bulding" project but not just for this purpose ... that would be silly |
| 18:39.22 | firefox_ | Titan8990, yeah haha |
| 18:39.38 | Titan8990 | korhojoa, have to be careful, even some dedicated cards are fakeraid |
| 18:39.39 | ewet- | Justin: does the silence mean you don't know anything else about it? |
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| 18:39.58 | firefox_ | korhojoa, its an amd board with the 790fx chipset |
| 18:39.59 | korhojoa | Titan8990: yeah. that's why you don't get shitty cards. |
| 18:40.06 | greycat | ewet-: does "ldd /mnt/luks3/bin/busybox" say it's statically linked, or dynamic? |
| 18:40.12 | themill | rp2: there are people who already routinely do entire archive rebuilds to see how things look -- they might be able to help if they thing that your data is useful to the wider community in some way. |
| 18:40.27 | korhojoa | firefox_: well, then it's most likely a "fakeraid" |
| 18:40.29 | pfred1 | korhojoa PCs by definition are "shitty". |
| 18:40.33 | rp2 | themill: i was sort of hoping to find one if them here |
| 18:40.41 | korhojoa | pfred1: go cry somewhere else |
| 18:40.50 | firefox_ | korhojoa, no doubting that it is? so am I SOL? |
| 18:40.55 | pfred1 | korhojoa I am not crying. |
| 18:41.10 | korhojoa | firefox_: just use the windows one for windows, and the linux one for linux. it'll be software, but more reliable |
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| 18:41.13 | pfred1 | korhojoa just don't like seeing you rag on someone else. |
| 18:41.14 | ranix | firefox_: don't use fakeraid, just use md |
| 18:41.26 | ranix | firefox_: these fakeraid cards aren't hardware accelerated anyway |
| 18:41.40 | Titan8990 | ranix, he already installed windows on the fakeraid |
| 18:41.44 | firefox_ | ranix, can I do that w/o killing the current windows install? |
| 18:41.47 | korhojoa | ahh. |
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| 18:41.55 | greycat | firefox_: I think you'd have to start over but I'm not 100% sure |
| 18:42.05 | ranix | sounds like you have to start over to me |
| 18:42.09 | korhojoa | firefox_: i'd rather start over. they're notoriously clumsy to work with |
| 18:42.12 | themill | rp2: see http://www.lucas-nussbaum.net/blog/?p=243 for example. |
| 18:42.13 | ewet- | greycat: this is so f**ked-up ... the gento live cd (everything I have here has a busybox.static which links to bb which links to busybox which is what ldd says dynamic :/ -- I'm just too f**king tired... |
| 18:42.32 | Titan8990 | iirc the ICHxR fakeraid will work in linux but it might be more trouble than its worth |
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| 18:42.40 | firefox_ | awww... that makes me a sad panda... |
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| 18:42.56 | greycat | thought 'e was a fox... |
| 18:43.00 | Shadur | Hmm... This worked, but I do get the message "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave: device or resource busy" when I run multiple playbacks simultaneously. |
| 18:43.01 | korhojoa | so. noone's got any idea on how i'd go about letting the netboot installer get more stuff from the tftp server instead of the tubes? |
| 18:43.06 | nsadmin | pfred1: if you're truely conducting research, those three URLs will be very helpful to you, increasingly more so than here |
| 18:43.15 | firefox_ | firefox= the red panada muhaha |
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| 18:43.19 | greycat | Shadur: at this point I'd point to #alsa or ##alsa or whatever they call it now |
| 18:43.21 | komble | hello all... |
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| 18:43.38 | Shadur | greycat: #alsa's all quiet. |
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| 18:44.12 | firefox_ | anyway, so not to be lazy, but how would I do md and then install windows? is there documents I can read over? |
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| 18:44.21 | komble | can anyone tell me why my Debian leeny doesn't properly show the RAM I have?.. |
| 18:44.21 | pfred1 | nsadmin I need to make a decision what distribution I am going to install. Unfortunately if I go with Debian #debian will play heavily on that. |
| 18:44.40 | komble | it reports there's only 3025 though there should be 4096mb... |
| 18:44.47 | greycat | firefox_: I'm thinking you'd partition each drive, then make a Linux md out of sda2, sdb2, sdc2; and a Windows fakeraid/whatever out of sda1, sdb1, sdc1. |
| 18:44.50 | wgsilkie | I can tell Synaptic to purge all uninstalled packages with residual configuration files. How do I tell apt or aptitide to do the same thing? |
| 18:44.59 | Titan8990 | komble, thats the limitation of a 32bit OS without PAE support |
| 18:45.02 | Shadur | Anyway, need to reboot briefly. |
| 18:45.07 | themill | pfred1: If you don't try so hard to look like a troll, you'll get good help here. |
| 18:45.13 | Titan8990 | komble, install 64bit or use the linux-image-686-bigmem kernel |
| 18:45.15 | MoDaX | ewet-: I will be back in an hour. chroot /path/to/the/system and dpkg -i libc6.deb there. |
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| 18:45.20 | komble | Titan8990, thanks, is there a thing I can do?.. |
| 18:45.23 | rp2 | themill: you're very helpful, thank you |
| 18:45.27 | pom | If I add unstable below lenny/main in sources.list, will it prefer a newer package from untable or a package from the topmost source in sources.list? |
| 18:45.30 | pfred1 | themill I can do nothing to alter your perception. |
| 18:45.34 | Titan8990 | komble, aptitude install linux-image-686-bigmem |
| 18:45.35 | komble | Titan8990, thank you, I'll try with bigmem.. |
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| 18:45.43 | pfred1 | themill you only see what yo uwant to see. |
| 18:45.44 | greycat | pom: it will prefer whichever is higher version numbered, which will be unstable. |
| 18:45.47 | greycat | pom: ask dpkg about "pinning" |
| 18:45.50 | Titan8990 | komble, I am currently using it with 6gb just fine :) |
| 18:45.56 | firefox_ | sounds about what I was thinking... look out google! here I come.. |
| 18:46.03 | nsadmin | that's not necessarily true... for example, if you succeed in your current attempt to alienate the ops and they decide to fail to allow you to be here, you'll have to find other ways to learn what you need. |
| 18:46.13 | korhojoa | themill: eh. what's the point in trying to convince him to use debian? you'll just have him trolling here then if he decides to go with it. |
| 18:46.14 | komble | Titan8990, thank you very much, I'll try... |
| 18:46.18 | rp2 | it's been a while since i ignore somebody on IRC ... let me see ... |
| 18:46.40 | greycat | pfred1: if your objective is to troll a bunch of IRC channels to see which one has people who will kowtow to you even after you abuse the people in them, then you'll probably end up going with some other OS. |
| 18:46.41 | rgr | Shadur: what version of Alsa are you using? You should not have to set anything up for dmix. |
| 18:47.04 | pfred1 | greycat how have I abused anyone? |
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| 18:47.32 | korhojoa | pfred1: let's say you just rub people the 'wrong way' |
| 18:47.54 | themill | pfred1: Please take a time out from #debian and use this time to work out why we seem to think that you've not been playing nicely with the other kiddies. |
| 18:48.07 | komble | Titan8990, how do I find out if cpu can handle 64bit?.. |
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| 18:48.22 | komble | Titan8990, I mean remotely, with ssh only... |
| 18:48.25 | greycat | komble: tell us what kind of CPU it is and then we'll generally know off hand. Or google it. |
| 18:48.30 | ewet- | MoDaX: okay thanks that was my plan -- even have a static shell now ;) |
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| 18:48.43 | nsadmin | pfred1 aside from that, you will need the already-written docs, and to learn to use them (I'm guessing you haven't even tried to look yet) |
| 18:49.06 | komble | greycat, cpu is quad core intel... |
| 18:49.08 | korhojoa | komble: tell us what cat /proc/cpuinfo says on the line with lots of three-letter things |
| 18:49.10 | Titan8990 | komble, cat /proc/cpuinfo will give some clues |
| 18:49.13 | korhojoa | komble: it's got 64-bit. |
| 18:49.47 | korhojoa | raises a hand |
| 18:49.47 | komble | korhojoa, thank you, Titan8990 thank you too once again.. :-) |
| 18:49.48 | firefox_ | well... thats good to know. |
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| 18:50.19 | greycat | korhojoa: which three-letter-thing means amd64? |
| 18:50.28 | jelly | "x64?" |
| 18:50.57 | jelly | fsvo letter |
| 18:51.03 | greycat | my "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3400+" doesn't have anything with 64 in it, on the flags line. |
| 18:51.15 | korhojoa | greycat: no idea. |
| 18:51.17 | korhojoa | i'll look |
| 18:51.38 | Justin | !+lm |
| 18:51.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, lm is "long mode": grep -w lm /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:51.41 | Titan8990 | greycat, if nothing else, its something to input into google |
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| 18:52.06 | greycat | that's subtle. |
| 18:52.11 | RunLvL3 | any UML experts on? |
| 18:52.17 | jelly | a long shot! |
| 18:52.38 | jetx | !tell RunLvL3 -about ask |
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| 18:53.16 | rgr | wow what a cool bot. |
| 18:53.20 | korhojoa | greycat: well. I'd just have guessed that it's 64 bit, considering it's got 64 in the cpu name. then again, the long mode also tells you that. i didn't actually know about that one. but yeah, really subtle. |
| 18:53.28 | komble | damn, server died after changing kernel... ;-( |
| 18:53.35 | komble | why this should happen?.. |
| 18:53.42 | korhojoa | komble: because you changed the kernel |
| 18:53.44 | korhojoa | ;) |
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| 18:54.04 | komble | korhojoa, but it shouldn't die... |
| 18:54.06 | greycat | there are a large number of possible reasons a server would fail after a new kernel is installed and tried-to-be-booted |
| 18:54.14 | nsadmin | boot into the earlier one |
| 18:54.15 | komble | new kernel should work just fine.. |
| 18:54.25 | greycat | what's the difference between the old & new kernels? |
| 18:54.29 | korhojoa | and that is why my servers are no longer headless. the first time that happened, it was pretty annoying |
| 18:54.30 | komble | nsadmin, if I could.. ;-( |
| 18:54.42 | nsadmin | komble: why can't you? |
| 18:54.42 | komble | greycat, bigmem... |
| 18:54.49 | RunLvL3 | some douche trying to flood me lol |
| 18:54.52 | harvinger | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
| 18:54.57 | komble | nsadmin, cause I've rebooted the system remotely, with ssh only... |
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| 18:55.12 | nsadmin | !ops harvinger dcc exploite |
| 18:55.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: harvinger dcc exploite |
| 18:55.20 | harvinger | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
| 18:55.24 | greycat | komble: have you ruled out "it's been 180 days since the last fsck, and now it's busy fscking all the file systems"? |
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| 18:55.45 | roguesmiler | hmm |
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| 18:55.56 | komble | greycat, I hope so.. |
| 18:56.06 | AruNatsu | If /path/ has rw-r----- (640) permission and /path/folder/ rw-rw-rw- (666) permision, can the group or "others" read/write stuff to /path/folder/, assuming they know that absolute path? |
| 18:56.07 | nsadmin | ok so Im bad speler |
| 18:56.29 | rgr | greycat: good advice. My recent update on my mailserver had me thinking that it would not reboot. Turned out to be a disk check of the terabyte drive. Took an eon. |
| 18:56.30 | greycat | AruNatsu: NOBODY can read or write anything there, except maybe root if the kernel is feeling generous. |
| 18:56.51 | greycat | AruNatsu: the directory needs +x permissions in order for people to access it in any way |
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| 18:56.54 | Shadur | You can't get /to/ the directory to write in it. |
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| 18:57.32 | dashs | Palm Z22 on Lenny still no workee, right? |
| 18:58.25 | rgr | (and also why I will always insist on a disk active led on the fron panel..) |
| 18:58.32 | AruNatsu | greycat: what if they had +x permissions? (rwxr-x--- and rwxrwxrwx for each folder, respectively) |
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| 18:59.04 | wooden | If the inodes of a set of files are sequential, does that guarantee that the blocks the files occupy are, not necessarily contiguous, but at least sequential? |
| 18:59.04 | jetx | they made you an op again? omg |
| 18:59.07 | greycat | AruNatsu: anyone with +x on the dir can write to the 777 file. |
| 18:59.17 | vojnet | test |
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| 18:59.44 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 19:00.08 | Posterdati | please I need help to make an hauppage! wintv-hvr 900h on kernel 2.6.26-2 (lenny). Tx |
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| 19:00.21 | AruNatsu | greycat: even if the folder is a subfolder taht has no w permission ? |
| 19:00.27 | jetx | hauppage is well supported but i don't know how to do it |
| 19:00.38 | Titan8990 | !tell Posterdati about it |
| 19:00.43 | greycat | AruNatsu: you need +x perm on every directory in the path. |
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| 19:01.00 | greycat | AruNatsu: if you're talking about a file that *already* exists. |
| 19:01.10 | nsadmin | Posterdati: look at lspci -nn listing, pick the one line that is for your card, show that one line |
| 19:01.13 | JordiGH | What was stew's tiling wm called? |
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| 19:01.14 | Posterdati | Titan8990: no help at all |
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| 19:01.23 | Posterdati | nsadmin: it's an usb toy |
| 19:01.35 | Posterdati | nsadmin: it's listed on lsusb |
| 19:01.37 | greycat | !permissions |
| 19:01.38 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 19:01.41 | nsadmin | oh, lspci won't work for that |
| 19:01.51 | Titan8990 | !qotd232 |
| 19:01.52 | dpkg | <bsssh> 4 is read, 2 - write, 1 - execute. According to UNIX god runs this world(777), yet devil can only read and write(666) >:P |
| 19:01.52 | dashs | Attach Z22 -- hotplug creates a new USB device -- press hot-sync it creates another one -- not correct. |
| 19:02.02 | AruNatsu | i'm just wondering if setting /path/ permission to rwxr-xr-x restricts ppl from writing stuff to /path/folder with permission rwxrwxrwx |
| 19:02.12 | rp2 | AruNatsu: not if the file is only reachable through that path ... there can be hardlinks or filesystem remounts or something in play |
| 19:02.28 | greycat | AruNatsu: if a file already exists, then it will not stop them from writing to the file. |
| 19:02.34 | centHOGG | <usb external NTFS no mount |
| 19:02.39 | AruNatsu | ah i see |
| 19:02.55 | AruNatsu | stupid wordpress :( |
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| 19:03.22 | greycat | I'm still confused by your questions, though, because you seem to be talking about a file named "folder". |
| 19:04.03 | Spec | I migrated a debian box to a virtual server, and changed some of the partioning. I had to manually fix fstab and grub's menu.lst. When I install a new kernel, debian auto-generates a menu.lst for grub which points to the old locations.... |
| 19:04.10 | Spec | Where does debian go to get such information to generate grub's menu.lst? |
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| 19:04.22 | Titan8990 | Spec, man update-grub |
| 19:04.30 | firefox_ | so I have an amd64 quad core... linux 64 but windows 32.. would the the windows run faster if I vmed it in linux? |
| 19:04.41 | greycat | unlikely |
| 19:04.50 | firefox_ | greycat, the same? |
| 19:05.07 | AruNatsu | greycat: there's /a/b/c (c is a file). /a/ has 711 perm, /a/b/ has 777 perm, and /a/b/c has 777 perm. can "others" modify /a/b/c, if they know that absolute path? |
| 19:05.17 | greycat | AruNatsu: yes. |
| 19:05.27 | nsadmin | maybe |
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| 19:05.42 | AruNatsu | aw, stupid wordpress |
| 19:05.46 | Spec | Titan8990: So now that I ran that and it made no changes to menu.lst, installing new kernels will "get it right"? |
| 19:06.09 | greycat | Spec: update-grub is what dpkg runs every time a kernel package is installed |
| 19:06.15 | Titan8990 | Spec, installing new kernels just runs update-grub |
| 19:06.16 | greycat | Spec: (at least if your /etc/kernel-img.conf says so) |
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| 19:06.28 | Spec | Well, I just ran update-grub and it didn't do the same thing as what happend when I installed a new kernel. |
| 19:06.37 | greycat | Spec: you were supposed to read the man page, not execute it. |
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| 19:06.49 | Titan8990 | Spec, I have seen it fail to generate a new menu.lst. just move it from it current location, run update-grub again and it will be generated |
| 19:07.06 | Spec | My menu.lst is correct now that I've manually fixed it.... |
| 19:07.21 | Spec | the man page makes it out like update-grub automagically generates menu.lst |
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| 19:07.31 | Spec | But if that was true, I'm not sure how it got "root (hd0,2)". |
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| 19:08.10 | Titan8990 | Spec, that must have been where it found your vmlinuz kernel images mounted at /boot |
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| 19:08.28 | rgr | Spec: just a side note - be careful when editing anything grub. There is some "debian way" macros embedded in the grub config files which drastically affect what happens at update-grub. They are documented but its wise to be aware. |
| 19:08.35 | Spec | Titan8990: There *used* to be a /boot (hd0,2), but now it's all under (hd0,0) |
| 19:08.47 | Spec | rgr: i take backups religiously, so i'm fine. |
| 19:08.48 | nsadmin | Spec it reads your existing menu.lst to get certain settings |
| 19:08.56 | Spec | nsadmin: I manually fixed my menu.lst |
| 19:09.01 | Spec | If it read it, it would've gotten my fixes. |
| 19:09.06 | Titan8990 | Spec, do what I told you to do |
| 19:09.09 | Titan8990 | Spec, I have seen it fail to generate a new menu.lst. just move it from it current location, run update-grub again and it will be generated |
| 19:09.25 | nsadmin | so you probably have to adjust the "commented" parameters |
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| 19:09.37 | nsadmin | then update-grub will work again |
| 19:09.58 | Spec | Titan8990: update-grub worked for me the first time, second time, and when i removed the files, the third time. |
| 19:10.08 | Spec | The only time it didn't work was when the new kernel was installed, and it reverted to (hd0,2) |
| 19:10.23 | Spec | I guess magic is involved, and i'll just leave it alone. |
| 19:10.31 | nsadmin | you should look at device.map |
| 19:10.42 | Spec | nsadmin: err |
| 19:10.44 | Spec | that only maps (hd0) |
| 19:10.45 | Titan8990 | Spec, or you could have spent more than an entire minute looking at the update-grub man page |
| 19:10.52 | Spec | not partitions |
| 19:10.57 | nsadmin | correct |
| 19:11.10 | nsadmin | as long as that's correct, it's fine |
| 19:11.18 | Titan8990 | Spec, or you could have tried what I said... or was nsadmin said and edit # groot=(hd0,0) |
| 19:11.30 | Spec | Titan8990: I did all of the above, sir. |
| 19:11.44 | Spec | And I did it even before you told me to do so, |
| 19:11.58 | Spec | and when I installed the new kernel it reverted to (hd0,2), but it's okay now, as when I run update-grub it stays as (hd0,0) |
| 19:12.09 | korhojoa | hm. i tried dd'ing a iso image to a usb stick |
| 19:12.11 | Spec | I don't really have a problem. I'm just trying to make sure that a future kernel update won't revert to (hd0,2) |
| 19:12.16 | nsadmin | Spec: where did you edit the groot setting |
| 19:12.18 | korhojoa | now i'd like to be able to get it to boot, any ideas? |
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| 19:12.58 | Spec | nsadmin: menu.lst |
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| 19:13.25 | nsadmin | and what line? what did it originally say, what did you change it to |
| 19:13.32 | Spec | nsadmin: I guess I didn't uncomment it though. Perhaps that was my problem. (Although I still don't see how it got hd0,2) |
| 19:13.45 | Spec | nsadmin: 1,$s/(hd0,2)/(hd0,0)/g |
| 19:13.57 | pom | So, I read everything I found on apt/preferences and now I got this in my sources.list: http://debian.pastebin.com/m3979c5f5 and this in my preferences: http://debian.pastebin.com/m52236501. Yet I see this when I try to install build-essential: http://debian.pastebin.com/m5e75da54 (notice "Upgrade the following packages"). I only installed lighttpd from unstable. I am not sure this is wrong, but it seems unexpected to me. |
| 19:13.58 | nsadmin | oh, so you sedded it |
| 19:14.00 | nsadmin | or something |
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| 19:14.03 | greycat | that's vi. |
| 19:14.21 | Spec | which made it so, from menu.lst, grub *could not* have gotten (hd0,2), it must've came from somewhere else. |
| 19:14.24 | Spec | thus my questions ;) |
| 19:14.32 | nsadmin | or mayge ed too, but that would be unnecessary torture... |
| 19:14.41 | Spec | It was vim, not ed or sed ;) |
| 19:14.45 | simonrvn | device.map probably |
| 19:14.49 | Spec | uhh |
| 19:14.55 | Spec | the disk # never changed |
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| 19:15.00 | Spec | it's always been (hd0), which is all device.map says |
| 19:15.23 | Spec | (hd0,2) vs (hd0,0) is the problem, which device.map doesn't cover |
| 19:15.32 | nsadmin | and the setting for that is correct in device.map? as long as we're checking everything |
| 19:15.42 | Titan8990 | Spec, pastebinit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 19:15.48 | Spec | Titan8990: why? |
| 19:15.53 | Spec | nsadmin: yeap |
| 19:15.59 | nsadmin | so we can see it |
| 19:16.05 | Spec | It seems update-grub creates a backup file named menu.lst~, could it read settings from this file? |
| 19:16.19 | Titan8990 | Spec, why would I want to look at the file you are having problems with? |
| 19:16.21 | Spec | nsadmin: it's a perfectly valid autogenerated file, which matches the file I manually edited. |
| 19:16.26 | Spec | Titan8990: I'm not having a problem with that file. |
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| 19:16.43 | nsadmin | look... we want to see it |
| 19:16.50 | Spec | it's vanilla update-grub'd :p |
| 19:17.23 | nsadmin | save us some time |
| 19:17.32 | themill | pom: I can't recall how whitespace sensitive /etc/apt/preferences is. Try removing the spaces at the start of the line. Check the output of "apt-cache policy" before and after to see if it's done something |
| 19:18.15 | rp2 | themill: hmm, there's https://buildd.debian.org/stats/ |
| 19:18.56 | elops | is it possible/how do I shutdown and restart the X server/Gnome from a different console session? |
| 19:19.21 | themill | rp2: you may be able to mine these logs to find the filenames used (e.g. make spits out the name of the file being compiled), but documentation files etc might not be listed as nicely. |
| 19:20.19 | greycat | elops: probably by sending a SIGTERM to the gnome session manager, or to X |
| 19:20.27 | nsadmin | also helpful would be if you pastebin fdisk -l |
| 19:20.40 | greycat | elops: unless the gnome session manager has some special way to receive a "please die" message that I don't know about |
| 19:20.56 | elops | how would I do that? |
| 19:21.06 | greycat | elops: man pkill |
| 19:21.15 | akoimeexx | or killall? |
| 19:21.19 | elops | ok |
| 19:21.35 | greycat | you should switch to pkill. killall is legacy and does bad things on non-Linux systems. |
| 19:22.01 | nsadmin | so switch for its portability? |
| 19:22.01 | akoimeexx | learns something new every day. |
| 19:22.18 | pom | themill: That did the trick. Thanks. |
| 19:22.24 | themill | pom: excellent! |
| 19:22.26 | simonrvn | killall on solaris, for instance... literally, kill everything. |
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| 19:22.49 | rp2 | themill: the logs just appear to be console output from the build process ... mineable, but not detailed enough for my original question |
| 19:23.04 | jelly | simonrvn: very useful command! |
| 19:23.12 | akoimeexx | I tend to stick with linux when I can though.... But I'll probably still take the advice. |
| 19:23.15 | rp2 | but it does contain install commandlines for each installed file |
| 19:23.17 | eshat | Hi all, are there still disadvantages when using a 64bit debian version, as a Desktop sytem ? |
| 19:23.32 | rp2 | so that's a good result |
| 19:23.32 | simonrvn | "hey, joe, that new kid did it again, one of the directory servers is down again." |
| 19:23.43 | elops | killall Xorg did the trick |
| 19:23.45 | rp2 | eg https://buildd.debian.org/fetch.cgi?&pkg=freeciv&ver=2.1.9-1&arch=sparc&stamp=1245734524&file=log |
| 19:23.46 | jelly | greycat: but using pkill and pgrep makes one think all the useful proc utils are there... and they aren't |
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| 19:24.22 | akoimeexx | elops: Awesome. |
| 19:24.22 | nsadmin | Spec so... (echo "=-=-= menu.lst" ; cat /boot/grub/menu.lst ; echo "=-=-= fdisk -l" ; fdisk -l) | pastebinit |
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| 19:28.30 | greycat | Is there some convenient way to copy/paste information between two separate computer systems, that's easier than "cat >foo", paste, Ctrl-D, scp foo othercomputer:, ...? |
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| 19:29.37 | nsadmin | greycat: if there's x server on one and x client libs on the other... |
| 19:29.47 | korhojoa | i use irc. |
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| 19:30.18 | Justin | greycat: x2x, synergy, etc |
| 19:30.19 | greycat | nsadmin: ... then? |
| 19:30.19 | nsadmin | you could use xclip |
| 19:30.24 | simonrvn | greycat: netcat ? |
| 19:30.39 | nsadmin | well more completely |
| 19:30.51 | themill | greycat: what's the entire scenario? |
| 19:30.52 | akoimeexx | greycat: third system with terminal, and two ssh sessions open in tabs? |
| 19:31.01 | nsadmin | - fire up an xterm or equiv |
| 19:31.17 | nsadmin | - ssh to other machine |
| 19:31.21 | greycat | akoimeexx: the objective is to get URLs from irc on HP-UX to the non-sucking web browser on Linux, or vice versa. |
| 19:31.34 | greycat | there is no non-sucking HP-UX web browser. |
| 19:31.47 | themill | greycat: what browser is on the linux side? |
| 19:31.49 | greycat | and even Linux's firefox still kinda sucks, but less. |
| 19:31.55 | nsadmin | - (do something thru the ssh) | xclip |
| 19:31.56 | cheako911 | greycat: x2x, vnc, 'echo blah | ssh user@system cat \> file' |
| 19:32.07 | blooddiamond | how to download all png files in a website using wget? |
| 19:32.14 | nsadmin | - then you can paste that into whatever |
| 19:32.22 | Justin | greycat: if that is all you want just hack up the irssi openurl plugin |
| 19:32.24 | cheako911 | greycat: daemon --name=sshpaladinx2x -- ssh -X cheako@paladin x2x -to :0 -west |
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| 19:32.46 | cheako911 | greycat: bash -c "ssh nyso x11vnc -display :0 -bg -cursor -rfbport 5900 -rfbwait 3000; xvncviewer nyso:5900" |
| 19:32.48 | greycat | Justin: that wouldn't give me the other direction, though...? |
| 19:33.10 | Justin | greycat: you can just have the openurl plugin run ssh otherbox firefox $url |
| 19:33.22 | themill | greycat: if sharing kb and mouse is something you also want, then synergy will do that. But you can just 'ssh machine firefox "$url"' and it will open it up |
| 19:33.27 | Justin | greycat: though I dunno why you just don't run irc on the linux box :) |
| 19:33.34 | greycat | themill: separate keyboard, mouse and monitor. |
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| 19:34.22 | Justin | greycat: are they next to each other or on the other side of the room? |
| 19:34.32 | greycat | the keyboards are about 2 feet apart. |
| 19:34.38 | Justin | so why aren't you using x2x? |
| 19:34.52 | greycat | 'cause I can only process the 18 answers I got at a finite speed. |
| 19:35.04 | Justin | heh |
| 19:35.05 | nsadmin | greycat: so I just verified the method I outlined works |
| 19:35.06 | themill | greycat: faster! |
| 19:35.07 | elops | lol |
| 19:36.05 | simonrvn | nsadmin: xclip you say... does that have to be on the remote too (or only on the remote)? |
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| 19:36.14 | nsadmin | the remote |
| 19:36.20 | simonrvn | 'k ty |
| 19:36.45 | nsadmin | so thru the ssh, you (generate stdout output) | xclip |
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| 19:36.52 | nsadmin | then you can paste locally |
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| 19:37.38 | nsadmin | note that you -can- have xclip on the local, but for purposes other than this |
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| 19:39.40 | asaleem | A general question- Can I use *.example.com for *.abc.example.com? |
| 19:40.09 | greycat | asaleem: are you talking about filenames, or DNS hostnames, or what? What are you doing with them? |
| 19:40.13 | nsadmin | asaleem: I don't see why not... but I also don't see why :) |
| 19:40.16 | ranix | depends on the implementation |
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| 19:40.28 | tck9 | i have these messages saying buffer error on sr0, how can i find out which physical device these correspond to? |
| 19:40.32 | tck9 | is sr0 the dvd drive? |
| 19:40.38 | asaleem | greycat, nsadmin ssl certificates |
| 19:40.41 | greycat | it's generally a CD/DVD drive |
| 19:41.06 | nsadmin | that would be the scsi driver name for it |
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| 19:41.46 | cheako911 | There are applications that will read/write X's many clipboard and select buffers. I just can't remember the name. |
| 19:41.59 | cheako911 | greycat: Have you attempted to use something like... `ssh linux x-www-browser $url` |
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| 19:42.03 | cheako911 | Most browsers support being directed to a new page with a command directly. |
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| 19:42.27 | greycat | So far I've attempted to read the README file in the xclip source code, which THANK GOD is not part of some 27 megabyte mega huge X project. |
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| 19:42.47 | greycat | 'cause anything that's not part of legacy HP-UX systems, I have to compile first. |
| 19:42.56 | nsadmin | greycat: oh hmm |
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| 19:43.13 | Justin | greycat: i think x2x is your best bet |
| 19:43.35 | nsadmin | the only good thing about xclip then, is you'd only have to do that once |
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| 19:43.58 | Titan8990 | Yeah, i just ran the man page myself and can't figure out why its not working properly. I even used an example from the man page `uptime | xclip` and `uptime | xclip -verbose` yet I never get the results copied to the clipboard |
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| 19:44.26 | nsadmin | Titan8990: echo $DISPLAY |
| 19:44.34 | nsadmin | that look reasonable? |
| 19:44.36 | simonrvn | i did |
| 19:44.48 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, yes |
| 19:44.56 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, :0.0 |
| 19:45.08 | nsadmin | oh, so you're sshed to localhost? |
| 19:45.20 | greycat | Oh lovely. What the hell is X11/Xmu/Atoms.h and why don't I have it.... |
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| 19:45.33 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, no, virtual terminal, su-ed to root |
| 19:45.44 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, oh... |
| 19:46.00 | simonrvn | greycat: libxmu-headers package |
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| 19:46.25 | greycat | simonrvn: on HP-UX.... |
| 19:46.28 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, I think maybe xchat is just jacking it up... when I got to paste it pastes crap from irc that I have not highlighted or copied |
| 19:46.42 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, going to try in my sid VM |
| 19:46.55 | simonrvn | obviously in the source tree somewhere ;) |
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| 19:47.17 | nsadmin | Titan8990: so you set it manually, and it's different users maybe? you're not running X as root probably and so you wouldn't have permission unless an xhost is in effect |
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| 19:47.33 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, I tried as my user |
| 19:47.44 | nsadmin | ok... |
| 19:47.53 | nsadmin | try this way: |
| 19:48.06 | nsadmin | ssh root@localhost |
| 19:48.08 | filePeter | Can I use Raid 1 as backup if I remove one of the disks usually? The other disk shall be stored outside my house... Will softwareread complain ugly? |
| 19:48.17 | nsadmin | (from an xterm or equiv) |
| 19:48.27 | nsadmin | then try something with xclip |
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| 19:49.33 | rjent | Greetings could someone help me understand how in hook for initramfs-tools to test if the network is up? |
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| 19:50.15 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, Error: Can't open display: (null) |
| 19:50.24 | nsadmin | rjent: the net wouldn't be up at that point |
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| 19:50.47 | nsadmin | Titan8990: from an xterm or equiv |
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| 19:50.50 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, that when ssh@localhost, when i tried it on my VM.... it pasted crap from IRC again since it appears to share a clipboard |
| 19:50.54 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, yes |
| 19:51.22 | greycat | Gah. Google results for Xmu are less than enlightening. |
| 19:51.31 | rjent | nsadmin: So many thanks for your reply. Could you help me understand why? |
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| 19:51.39 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, brb, I'm going to try it without xchat running real quick |
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| 19:52.24 | nsadmin | rjent: you're looking to test for the net when exactly? just before booting kernel? |
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| 19:52.50 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, alright, doesn't look it is xchat causing problems |
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| 19:53.45 | nsadmin | Titan8990: ok... get out of the ssh (ctrl-d) and echo $DISPLAY |
| 19:53.54 | pavelm | how would I make one of my users have root capability ? |
| 19:53.59 | nsadmin | also echo $TERM |
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| 19:54.11 | akoimeexx | pavelm: generally, add them to wheel |
| 19:54.11 | greycat | pavelm: usually with sudo |
| 19:54.21 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, ... it works now... I HATE inconsistent behavior |
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| 19:54.23 | nkuttler | hm, do i really have to build my own mpd to play aac/mp4? |
| 19:54.43 | nsadmin | Titan8990: what did you have to do? |
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| 19:54.54 | pavelm | sudo |
| 19:54.54 | pavelm | bash: sudo: command not found |
| 19:55.00 | greycat | hmm, libXmu.tar.gz is only 400k. a good sign. |
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| 19:55.12 | greycat | pavelm: apt-get install sudo; man sudoers; etc. |
| 19:55.14 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, don't know and its already not working again |
| 19:55.33 | nsadmin | what were the steps inbetween not working and working? |
| 19:55.38 | akoimeexx | pavelm: Add them to the wheel user group, and they should be able to use sudo to perform commands as root |
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| 19:56.09 | nsadmin | akoimeexx: not every unix-alike installation has a wheel :) |
| 19:56.11 | greycat | akoimeexx: no, sudoers is a separate configuration from "wheel group". |
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| 19:56.26 | pavelm | ok well, i just installed sudo |
| 19:56.28 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, I exited the ssh session, cd to /usr/share/doc/xclip; cat README; xclip README and then it worked... then I went and copied and paste something else and tried again and its back to non-working |
| 19:56.38 | pavelm | should i create a group first, lets say addgroup admins ? |
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| 19:57.06 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, "something else" being the word "google" from my web browser |
| 19:57.08 | nsadmin | for sudo you mean? no, you edit sudoers |
| 19:57.21 | nick_h | is tar's --preserve-permissions option only relevant when extracting an archive? |
| 19:57.22 | greycat | by running "visudo". after reading "man sudoers". |
| 19:57.30 | rjent | nsadmin: Yes. |
| 19:57.38 | nsadmin | nick_h: no, when making it |
| 19:58.23 | babilen_ | pavelm: How many uders do you want to grant privileges? |
| 19:58.27 | akoimeexx | greycat: Usually not enabled, you mean? I thought wheel was specified in sudoers as a default, if at the very least commented. |
| 19:58.36 | greycat | GRRR! Look, you stupid ./configure command, I don't have a PACKAGE named xt! Just use the normal standard X libs! |
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| 19:58.36 | pavelm | babilen, just 2 |
| 19:58.40 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, bug report maybe? |
| 19:58.40 | nick_h | nsadmin: are you sure? the manpage says "ignore umask when extracting files (the default for root)" |
| 19:58.59 | greycat | akoimeexx: |
| 19:59.00 | greycat | griffon:~$ grep wheel /etc/group |
| 19:59.00 | greycat | griffon:~$ |
| 19:59.03 | babilen_ | pavelm: I don't think you need a group then. Consider adding one when you have more ;-) |
| 19:59.03 | rjent | nsadmin: Please know that I am limited in knowledge on the operations but I am working on a debian-live setup and a script in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/live-bottom/99hook I want to check for network up and if not up I want to force up |
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| 19:59.43 | rjent | nsadmin: long enough to perform a wget to and ip address to inject settings in the system. |
| 19:59.55 | rjent | s/and/an/ |
| 19:59.56 | nsadmin | Titan8990: maybe.... but if it were me right now, I'd not have enough info (even as you might at this moment) |
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| 20:00.29 | akoimeexx | gets a line back for wheel, but in all fairness is on a mac system at work and not running an ssh session to his machine. |
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| 20:01.03 | greycat | bangs head on desk as "./configure --without-xt --without-xext --without-xextproto CC=/net/appl/gcc-3.3/bin/gcc" is apparently not enough to convince ./configure to shut the fuck up and generate a Makefile |
| 20:01.59 | greycat | wonders what an x2x is and what the compile-time dependencies for THAT are... |
| 20:02.08 | Justin | greycat: i'm sureprised you haven't built a debian/HP-UX chroot :) |
| 20:02.49 | greycat | Oh fuck. The first google result for x2x is a page that says I'm supposed to use xmkmf. That's even WORSE! |
| 20:03.04 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, it doesn't sound like there is much to it all. The docoumentation only explains usage... it doesn't talk about configuration or contributing factors that could cause the application to function improperly |
| 20:03.24 | greycat | xmkmf generates makefiles according to what the vendor thinks my compiler setup should look like, which means "using the proprietary extra-money-costing cc" |
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| 20:03.37 | nsadmin | Titan8990: what's your echo $TERM say? |
| 20:03.51 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, xterm |
| 20:03.56 | Justin | greycat: ohh! you don't need to build x2x on HP-UX |
| 20:03.59 | akoimeexx | greycat: Which page is that? I'm looking through the project right now (was interested in pasting between systems without the hassle) |
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| 20:04.02 | Justin | greycat: you can run it in the other direction from debian |
| 20:04.10 | greycat | akoimeexx: http://x2x.dottedmag.net/ |
| 20:04.12 | Justin | greycat: it only needs to be running on one display |
| 20:04.22 | nsadmin | ok, so you're on an xterm... are you in or out of the ssh? |
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| 20:04.56 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, out of the ssh, as the same user that is running the xsession, $DISPLAY is still :0.0 |
| 20:05.29 | nsadmin | ok.... ssh someone@localhost and look at your $DISPLAY |
| 20:05.40 | nsadmin | root should be ok |
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| 20:05.50 | tuxi | zeoul1 |
| 20:05.53 | tuxi | oops :x |
| 20:06.07 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, null |
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| 20:06.14 | nsadmin | aha, that's the problem |
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| 20:06.31 | nsadmin | so your ssh is not forwarding X at the moment |
| 20:06.35 | Justin | greycat: just run something like this from the HP-UX box: ssh -f -X debianbox x2x -west -to :0 -resurface |
| 20:06.55 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, ? I didn't want ssh... lol I just wanted to be able to pipe commands to the clipboard |
| 20:07.03 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, locally |
| 20:07.07 | nsadmin | oh, ok :) |
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| 20:07.13 | nsadmin | you should be able to... |
| 20:07.22 | Titan8990 | right... *should* |
| 20:07.58 | tuxi | could someone tell me what interesting (computing intensive) activity I may do with my debian? |
| 20:07.59 | nsadmin | I thougth you wanted something like greycat |
| 20:08.08 | tuxi | wanna test how well my Quad-Core performs (just got it) |
| 20:08.39 | nkuttler | tuxi: kernel build. xorg/kde if you're bored. |
| 20:08.39 | ranix | tuxi: make an internet cafe with multiseat X |
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| 20:08.48 | tuxi | lol ranix ^^ |
| 20:08.49 | simonrvn | run a youtube flv video or 5 |
| 20:09.18 | ranix | judd: versions clamav |
| 20:09.18 | tuxi | as far as I remember Adobe Flash crap is not capable of using multiple cores... am I right? |
| 20:10.03 | judd | ranix: clamav -- etch: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch16 etch-security: 0.90.1dfsg-4etch19 lenny: 0.94.dfsg.2-1 lenny-security: 0.94.dfsg.2-1lenny2 etch-volatile: 0.95.2+dfsg-0volatile1 lenny-volatile: 0.95.2+dfsg-1~volatile1 etch-backports: 0.95.2+dfsg-2~bpo40+1 sid: 0.95.3+dfsg-1 squeeze: 0.95.3+dfsg-1 |
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| 20:10.03 | nsadmin | tuxi: run spice on a complex circuit (which means you'd have to get spice and a circuit suitable for feeding to spice ... I dunno if spice is in a deb package) |
| 20:10.03 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, ah, I see, if I run with the -verbose option it hangs on "Waiting for selection request number 1" until I highlight something else with my mouse |
| 20:10.03 | tuxi | what is spice exactly?^^ |
| 20:10.10 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, even when I have gave a file as an argument |
| 20:10.35 | nsadmin | it emulates an electronic circuit and graphs voltage or current at some specified point in the circuit |
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| 20:11.29 | tuxi | or possibly just run folding@home ? :D |
| 20:11.35 | tuxi | that would also help someone else *g |
| 20:12.02 | nsadmin | well whatever you want... |
| 20:12.08 | ranix | tail -f /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 20:12.16 | ranix | ehr |
| 20:12.33 | ranix | wrong window |
| 20:12.44 | nsadmin | bigtime :) |
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| 20:13.51 | tuxi | going to test now :) thx anybody |
| 20:14.37 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, if it works on my non-debian laptop, im filing a bug report |
| 20:15.17 | nsadmin | see if you can figure a fix for it too |
| 20:15.39 | nsadmin | or at least why it's failing... it works absolutely fine for me |
| 20:15.54 | greycat | observes the "Heaven help you if your network connection should go down" bit in the x2x man page... |
| 20:16.18 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, it worked absolutely fine for me for about 30 seconds :) |
| 20:17.28 | nsadmin | well I'll have to say the clipboard in x is just weird... for one thing, a clipboard is not standard that I know of, and so there are likely competing implementations |
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| 20:18.04 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, right, like how xchat magically adds stuff to my clipboard... |
| 20:18.04 | nsadmin | otoh, it really should work since you're using just xclip |
| 20:18.37 | greycat | nsadmin: the README (or something) from xclip told me that normal highlighting and pasting uses something different from the "clipboard" used by Ctrl-C/Copy... in apps |
| 20:19.12 | nsadmin | I mean that there are many ideas (implemented) of what it means to be a clipboard |
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| 20:19.16 | cheako | Hello, I realize iw is new but are there any interfaces options to configure extra devices with it? |
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| 20:19.52 | Titan8990 | greycat, well, it will actually copy what I highlight if I run xclip -verbose, just not what I told it to on the command line |
| 20:19.58 | pavelm | i first installed apache2 by apt-get install apache2 , then i removed it by apt-get remove apache2 , and its still running |
| 20:20.29 | greycat | pavelm: apache2 is basically wrapping paper that brings in something like apache2-mpm-prefork wihch is the real package |
| 20:20.39 | cdog69 | ok, so im learning, I get that... i installed some updates using apt-get and when it finished it said that some packages were old or not needed and I could use autoremove to remove them, so I did just that and autoremove removed practicalyl my entire desktop environment and god knows what else... I suppose that is what I get for following instructions eh... anyway |
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| 20:20.41 | Justin | greycat: xclip -selection clipboard works around that |
| 20:20.47 | cdog69 | anyway to easily get everything back? |
| 20:20.58 | pavelm | greycat, so how can I remove it ? |
| 20:21.01 | Justin | i use xclip to dump autogenerated reports into a ticketing system all the time via FF |
| 20:21.04 | greycat | pavelm: dpkg -l | grep apache2 |
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| 20:21.49 | Titan8990 | Justin, sweet, thanks |
| 20:21.55 | cesurasean1 | RAID errors 1 disks have failed RAID status clean, degraded - how to make this a clean RAID status? i accidentally added a spare partition, and it failed, and i am unable to remove it? |
| 20:22.08 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, appears to work if I do `uptime | xclipe -selection clipboard` |
| 20:22.26 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, without the typo, looks like all I need is an alias :) |
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| 20:23.46 | pavelm | greycat, http://pastebin.com/m38794f17 |
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| 20:25.03 | greycat | pavelm: well, remove them. |
| 20:25.07 | cheako | cesurasean1: I used to use mdadm raids, but stopped as they didn't quite have the redundancy I'd expect. That is you can end up with an unusable RAID5 even if you don't have any disks lost... Disk failure is enuff to ruin your whole day. I think you may need to halt and boot from rescue media, mdadm does not really support hot swapping. |
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| 20:26.28 | cesurasean1 | cheako, how do i clear out the mdadm log files so this error will go away? that hard drive nor partition are present. |
| 20:26.29 | Justin | cheako: mdadm supports hot swapping just fine |
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| 20:26.53 | Justin | though if you are using software raid it probably means you don't have hot swapable disks in the first place |
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| 20:27.22 | cheako | Justin: Ahhh, so it does or does not work? |
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| 20:27.29 | korhojoa | Justin: with chipsets supporting eSATA nowadays, they almost all support hot-plugging |
| 20:27.30 | greycat | Justin: the x2x thing seems to work. Nice. Now I just wonder what happens when I shut down the Debian box but not the HP box... |
| 20:27.33 | cesurasean1 | Justin, you have any clue how to kick this disk off the raid after it has failed? --remove isn't working. :( |
| 20:27.42 | cesurasean1 | cheako, hot swapping does work. |
| 20:28.07 | Justin | try --force ? |
| 20:28.19 | Justin | or --fail first, then --remove? |
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| 20:28.54 | sjampoo | just installed vncserver4, works like a charm. But there is one thing i want to change. Everytime i connect i have to click "accept" on the other computer. |
| 20:29.12 | Sergio` | I added sid contrib to sources.list but I get untrusted packages. |
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| 20:30.14 | sjampoo | wops i fixed it ;D |
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| 20:32.48 | cdog69 | ok, so im learning, I get that... i installed some updates using apt-get and when it finished it said that some packages were old or not needed and I could use autoremove to remove them, so I did just that and autoremove removed practicalyl my entire desktop environment and god knows what else... I suppose that is what I get for following instructions eh... anyway to easily get everything back? |
| 20:33.23 | greycat | I learned not to listen to apt when it tells me I can safely remove things. |
| 20:33.39 | greycat | Seems to be some aptitude thing that they bolted on at the last minute, badly. |
| 20:33.41 | action09 | don't agree |
| 20:33.52 | action09 | what command exactly did you type to autoremove ? |
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| 20:34.22 | cdog69 | autoremove openssl ssl-cert |
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| 20:34.46 | greycat | It's obvious that the _intent_ was to simplify life for people like pavelm who installed apache2 and wondered why removing apache2 didn't actually do what he expected.... |
| 20:35.17 | themill | yes. And those who don't have that intent should learn what a metapackage is.... |
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| 20:35.40 | cdog69 | again, learning... |
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| 20:35.55 | EagleRock | cdog69: another thing you might want to consider is switching to aptitude over apt-get |
| 20:35.56 | themill | dpkg: tell cdog69 about unmarkauto |
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| 20:36.32 | action09 | cdog69 autoremove will deinstall packets with their dependencies.so if there a lot of depencies i'tll remove ..all.. anyway try to reisntall the missing packages. 1) do not use apt, use aptitude (same syntax) 2) aptitude update first, then aptitude install the_packets 3) aptitude remove the_packets to remove them 4) aptitude updaet && aptitude dist-upgrade to upgrade all distrib,it's all you need |
| 20:37.17 | cdog69 | many thanks all... |
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| 20:38.26 | action09 | cdog69 for your dependencies, apt-cache depends the_package, don't know the aptitude equivallent command :) |
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| 20:39.42 | action09 | cdog69 i never use other comands till 10 years, no problem (try to read the dos to upgrade with sfe-upgrade and dist-upgrade) better do a safe-upgrade first.. seriuosly never done autoremove |
| 20:39.52 | action09 | s/dos/docs |
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| 20:41.42 | themill | action09: autoremove isn't necessary with aptitude; it does it automatically at removal time (providing you're not mixing aptitude and apt-get) |
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| 20:42.13 | action09 | themill it's why maybe i don't use it :) |
| 20:42.38 | action09 | cdog69 yes use aptitude and it"ll be fine :) good luck to reinstall missing packets :( |
| 20:43.01 | cdog69 | again, thanks for all the help :) |
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| 20:45.07 | simonrvn | !ops sluddydaync trying to send files via DCC |
| 20:45.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: sluddydaync trying to send files via DCC |
| 20:45.19 | sthon | eh |
| 20:45.38 | akoimeexx | Yeah, rec'vd same. User is offline now. |
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| 20:46.16 | jelly-home | ... |
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| 20:46.20 | simonrvn | here we go again |
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| 20:46.31 | akoimeexx | This is why I don't frequent... Jesus christ |
| 20:46.41 | RichiH | simonrvn: we know, thanks |
| 20:46.44 | greycat | All the big channels get this crap. |
| 20:46.48 | RichiH | we are on it |
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| 20:46.57 | RichiH | 99% of this get nuked, anyway |
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| 20:47.11 | RichiH | automagically |
| 20:47.16 | simonrvn | RichiH: thank you |
| 20:47.23 | akoimeexx | Dankeschoen. |
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| 20:48.04 | sthon | god damn it |
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| 20:48.09 | notweebl | shitload of dccs requests here |
| 20:48.13 | korhojoa | arr |
| 20:48.17 | greycat | They know. Just be patient please. |
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| 20:48.45 | simonrvn | they are taking care of it, like RichiH said |
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| 20:49.00 | jelly-home | I'm using those words as password seeds. |
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| 20:49.25 | simonrvn | jelly-home: heh heh |
| 20:49.29 | fatalerrors | what's that mess? i'm receiving many dcc request from here !!!? |
| 20:49.42 | korhojoa | fatalerrors: everyone has important porn to send to you |
| 20:49.45 | simonrvn | fatalerrors: yes. be patient, it's being taken care of. |
| 20:49.49 | greycat | Oh, hmm, I need some clever way to get the IP address of the Debian box.... Maybe I'll have to set up some sort of dynamic DNS thingy. Damn |
| 20:49.57 | nsadmin | fatalerrors: they're working on it |
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| 20:50.04 | kermit | fatalerrors: is that here? i cant tell where its from with pidgin |
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| 20:50.26 | korhojoa | videofoto887. hurr. |
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| 20:50.54 | simonrvn | just make sure you don't auto-accept dcc ;) |
| 20:50.59 | jelly-home | greycat: make it HEAD http://yoursite/someweirdurl every 5 minutes (or at reconnect), and note the ip in access.log :-) |
| 20:51.05 | greycat | Would've been so much easier if I could initiate it from the Debian box, since the HP-UX box has an actual hostname and static IP.... |
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| 20:51.30 | simonrvn | here we go again =) |
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| 20:52.16 | fatalerrors | kermit: that's here... kvirc is precising that |
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| 20:52.23 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf is going on? |
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| 20:52.29 | akoimeexx | Spam. |
| 20:52.33 | akoimeexx | It'll be over soon |
| 20:52.42 | fatalerrors | simonrvn: that's a bit tiring |
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| 20:52.53 | valdyn | its not even noticable |
| 20:52.58 | valdyn | with the right irc settings |
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| 20:53.21 | helltraum | Anyone around that can help solve a problem please? |
| 20:53.30 | valdyn | !justask |
| 20:53.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 20:53.42 | mu-dev | helltraum: 42 + 0 = 42 |
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| 20:54.00 | helltraum | Not that kind of problem ... :-) |
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| 20:54.03 | akoimeexx | mu-dev: Yeah, but what's the question? ;) |
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| 20:54.08 | jelly-home | valdyn: what, ignoring all DCC from *!*@*? |
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| 20:54.25 | helltraum | Ok .... I'm trying to get X port forwarding working over ssh |
| 20:54.25 | greycat | jelly-home: not the worst idea ever... |
| 20:54.29 | mu-dev | helltraum: then what problem? |
| 20:54.32 | helltraum | I run ssh -X |
| 20:54.45 | greycat | !tell helltraum about sshx |
| 20:54.45 | helltraum | on my remote debian host |
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| 20:54.59 | valdyn | jelly-home: i did nothing,its all in window 1 where i never look at, and irssi isnt signaling anything |
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| 20:55.17 | helltraum | and set the display to IP:0.0 of my local machine and xserver |
| 20:55.27 | greycat | helltraum: DO NOT set the DISPLAY variable by hand. Ever. |
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| 20:55.30 | helltraum | the programs seems to run .. but I get nothing on my display |
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| 20:55.38 | greycat | helltraum: read what dpkg said about sshx |
| 20:55.44 | akoimeexx | It's kinda nice, I get a nice big block of space between messages to separate conversations. |
| 20:55.46 | jelly-home | helltraum: there's no need to set DISPLAY manually with ssh X11Forwarding. |
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| 20:55.58 | helltraum | Ok |
| 20:55.58 | fatalerrors | ok is there a way to forbid connection with ip 0.0.0.0 on port 0 ? |
| 20:56.04 | fatalerrors | i'm getting uppset now |
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| 20:56.19 | Justin | fatalerrors: reading comprehension fail. |
| 20:56.33 | helltraum | What's sshx ? |
| 20:56.34 | mu-dev | helltraum: too many lines... suggestion: put entire problem description TOGETHER WITH everything you learn so far into a file |
| 20:56.45 | helltraum | Ok mu-dev |
| 20:56.50 | greycat | !tell helltraum about sshx |
| 20:56.56 | mu-dev | then pastebin that file when you add to it |
| 20:56.56 | greycat | "sshx" is just the name of the bot trigger. |
| 20:56.59 | fatalerrors | Justin: grrrr..... |
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| 20:57.21 | amphi | fatalerrors: yeah, I got many such things just now, on join |
| 20:57.22 | jelly-home | helltraum: you should have gotten a private message from dpkg, the bot; perhaps in a separate window/tab |
| 20:57.23 | akoimeexx | fatalerrors: Ignore it, look for a way to refuse dcc requests, or log it with a rudimentary irc client that doesn't support it? |
| 20:57.31 | akoimeexx | log in* |
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| 20:59.02 | mu-dev | being curious if the dcc came onjoin... and answer seems no... bye! |
| 20:59.03 | Titan8990 | in ERC you have to explicitly load support for DCC |
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| 20:59.44 | digitalirony | yeah, there are some dumb script kiddies in here |
| 20:59.54 | Bloed | several dcc send requests ??? is there a problem on freenode ? |
| 20:59.55 | digitalirony | the guys on #freenode already know about it |
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| 20:59.58 | digitalirony | no |
| 20:59.58 | akoimeexx | Yeah... Colloquy is once again showing its flaws: No settings to auto-block it. |
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| 21:00.01 | digitalirony | its some script kiddy |
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| 21:00.25 | nse | Is he good? |
| 21:00.34 | nsadmin | no, evil |
| 21:00.40 | akoimeexx | Just annoying. |
| 21:00.45 | greycat | Not good in any sense of the word. |
| 21:00.48 | nsadmin | neutral amoral |
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| 21:01.10 | digitalirony | nah, anyone using a script like that is lame |
| 21:01.10 | Titan8990 | akoimeexx, from what I understand there could actually be people getting pwned by it. like the people who have been getting disconnected each round |
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| 21:01.23 | praseodym | can one disable the dcc notices in irssi? |
| 21:01.32 | Titan8990 | in mIRC specifically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Client-to-Client#DCC_SEND_exploit\ |
| 21:01.41 | Justin | praseodym: ignore them? |
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| 21:02.09 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 21:05.09 | valdyn | "/ignore #debian DCC DCCMSGS" should work i think |
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| 21:07.08 | haroelcabo | hi, in a debian system (~ year 2002) a bogus commnand deleted random files. I have a list of all the .deb packages installed in it. I'd like to run the corresponding dpkgs. Since the system is inaccesible, it is mounted in another debian system. How could I fix the broken one ? |
| 21:07.13 | kavakava | valdyn: Will /ignore * DCC DCCMSGS work? Didn't get any errors, so I'm crossing my fingers. |
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| 21:07.37 | akoimeexx | This should work: /mode member:akoimeexx +C |
| 21:07.45 | akoimeexx | member:akoimeexx |
| 21:07.57 | akoimeexx | ..That was weird |
| 21:08.17 | braunkraut | ages I recall 'cloning' an existing debian installation with some dpkg magic. I basically want to create an identical install of an existing Debian system |
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| 21:08.24 | braunkraut | what's the easiest way to accomplish this? |
| 21:08.31 | akoimeexx | Anyways: /mode yournick +C blocks CTCP requests. |
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| 21:09.29 | akoimeexx | http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 21:09.30 | fubada | hi what creates /var/lock/subsystem |
| 21:09.36 | fubada | and why is it missing on a new install |
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| 21:09.48 | fubada | i have it on all my other debian boxes |
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| 21:10.20 | Titan8990 | fubada, on my system it is subsys not subsystem and it was placed there by vmware |
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| 21:11.13 | ranix | we're getting spammed by dcc requests |
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| 21:12.18 | greycat | we're aware |
| 21:13.02 | beardy | IIRC there's a nice factoid for that.. |
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| 21:13.06 | akoimeexx | is waiting between floods to see if changing modes helps. |
| 21:13.06 | beardy | Handing out the hat. |
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| 21:13.20 | captain_obvious | !dcc |
| 21:13.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, dcc is a protocol used for sending files on IRC. <asuffield> I suggest burning all people who offer dcc connections, or The Distributed Checksum Clearinghouse or DCC is a cooperative, distributed system intended to detect "bulk" mail or mail sent to many people. http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ or see <dcc alliance> |
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| 21:14.29 | beardy | !captain obvious captain_obvious |
| 21:14.29 | dpkg | gives captain_obvious the rank of captain obvious for stating the obvious in such an exciting manner |
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| 21:14.55 | captain_obvious | Exciting |
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| 21:15.05 | asdf | god this shit is getting annoying |
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| 21:15.15 | akoimeexx | Well, at least they're more infrequent. |
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| 21:15.20 | ranix | usually doesn't last more than half an hour in freenode |
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| 21:15.45 | mederEsite | Can anyone recommend a file to generate PO/MO files? |
| 21:15.54 | mederEsite | err. program |
| 21:15.55 | mederEsite | heh |
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| 21:15.57 | beardy | "/ignore #debian DCC DCCMSGS" worked nicely. |
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| 21:17.43 | MoDaX | haroelcabo: apt-get --reinstall install affect packages? |
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| 21:19.39 | kavakava | Anyone here that didn't ignore DCC and can tell me what the latest DCC send was? I ignored it and want to check if it worked. |
| 21:20.01 | kavakava | When, what and who. :-P |
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| 21:20.16 | akoimeexx | I haven't seen it since after beardy reminding about using /ignore |
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| 21:20.32 | ranix | still getting 'dcc send failed' though |
| 21:20.39 | akoimeexx | Thank you beardy. |
| 21:20.45 | franki^ | (21:15:57) [freenode] DCC SEND from SantehnoS [0.0.0.0 port 0]: snegoviksukahi [0B bytes] requested in channel #debian |
| 21:21.02 | franki^ | those? |
| 21:21.12 | kavakava | Yes. Thanks. :-) |
| 21:21.18 | kavakava | It worked. Awesome. |
| 21:21.35 | kavakava | "Ignorance is bliss." |
| 21:22.00 | ranix | no, 16:21 DCC aborted receiving file lelefumsinids from SantehnoS |
| 21:22.00 | ranix | 16:21 DCC lost chat to SantehnoS |
| 21:22.07 | simonrvn | wonders how to do it in weechat |
| 21:22.09 | ranix | the ignore won't catch those |
| 21:22.22 | ranix | I think you can set umode to ignore all dccs |
| 21:22.25 | greycat | Last thing we need is people quoting the spam. |
| 21:22.31 | akoimeexx | ranix: Tried |
| 21:22.35 | akoimeexx | It's +C |
| 21:22.38 | akoimeexx | Doesn't stop 'em |
| 21:22.40 | franki^ | couldn't you use a regex to ignore anything with DCC in or something? |
| 21:22.42 | kavakava | ranix: Those are only from the former DCC, right? |
| 21:22.47 | franki^ | if you cared that much |
| 21:22.47 | ranix | I don't think so |
| 21:23.02 | ranix | now that I'm looking, it might be |
| 21:23.04 | akoimeexx | UNless I'm looking at outdated info on freenode. |
| 21:23.05 | kavakava | ranix: I've only seen from people that already sent to me. |
| 21:23.15 | ranix | ok, I'm wrong then |
| 21:23.20 | ranix | I see the same |
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| 21:23.40 | akoimeexx | I set it when it started, got me nowhere. =/ |
| 21:24.04 | kavakava | akoimeexx: Can't you just use /ignore? |
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| 21:24.25 | akoimeexx | kavakava: I did since then; works a treat. |
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| 21:24.50 | akoimeexx | ....Damn |
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| 21:25.16 | kavakava | Why did tieshyinfit get kicked? |
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| 21:25.23 | simonrvn | one of the bots... |
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| 21:25.45 | kavakava | Ah. Strange kickmessage then. :-P |
| 21:26.03 | greycat | it's the same kick message as all the others |
| 21:26.14 | dimir | The fucker is flooding with dcc in private. |
| 21:26.21 | kavakava | Ah, he tries to send to the bot as well. :-P |
| 21:26.21 | simonrvn | we know... |
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| 21:26.37 | greycat | he sent to "#debian" which goes to the bot as well as all of us. |
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| 21:27.50 | mederEsite | lol.. |
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| 21:32.49 | Linuturk | can anyone give me some tips and experices on using kvm with debian? using debian as the host OS? |
| 21:32.50 | KrazyA1pha | What's the best way to install python 2.6 on Debian Lenny? |
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| 21:33.07 | mederEsite | what's the default? 2.5? |
| 21:33.12 | ranix | judd: versions python |
| 21:33.13 | KrazyA1pha | Yeah |
| 21:33.14 | judd | ranix: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.4-2 squeeze: 2.5.4-2 experimental: 2.5.4-3 |
| 21:33.26 | mederEsite | are you trying to make it the default? |
| 21:33.32 | ranix | KrazyA1pha: you'd have to install from source, I think |
| 21:33.37 | KrazyA1pha | Ah |
| 21:33.40 | KrazyA1pha | I was looking fo a repo |
| 21:33.42 | KrazyA1pha | for |
| 21:33.43 | mederEsite | uh. |
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| 21:33.57 | mederEsite | why would you need to install it from the source? |
| 21:34.03 | engla | KrazyA1pha: python2.6 is in experimental but I don't think it will work well with stable |
| 21:34.05 | akoimeexx | 2.6? |
| 21:34.07 | akoimeexx | Yeah |
| 21:34.09 | KrazyA1pha | 2.5 is all I can find in the repos |
| 21:34.11 | akoimeexx | Figures. |
| 21:34.23 | mederEsite | backports methinks |
| 21:34.30 | simonrvn | not in backports either |
| 21:34.35 | greycat | judd, versions python2.6 |
| 21:34.36 | judd | greycat: python2.6 -- experimental: 2.6.4-1 |
| 21:34.36 | ranix | not even in sid |
| 21:34.38 | engla | 2.6 isn't even in ustable yet :-(( |
| 21:34.50 | KrazyA1pha | that's unfortunate :/ |
| 21:34.55 | engla | I backported python2.6 into testing, rebuilding lots of things like python-gtk |
| 21:35.03 | akoimeexx | KrazyA1pha: Are you using a full suite that needs python 2.6? |
| 21:35.04 | Titan8990 | KrazyA1pha, what app do you have that requires 2.6? |
| 21:35.13 | KrazyA1pha | reddit source |
| 21:35.23 | KrazyA1pha | http://code.reddit.com |
| 21:35.29 | KrazyA1pha | Apparently they require it :/ |
| 21:35.30 | ranix | strange |
| 21:35.33 | KrazyA1pha | Indeed |
| 21:35.59 | akoimeexx | To build? |
| 21:36.03 | greycat | wooledg.eeg.ccf.org is a nickname for wooledg.dyn.eeg.ccf.org |
| 21:36.05 | greycat | there we go... |
| 21:36.11 | simonrvn | wee |
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| 21:36.14 | KrazyA1pha | Alright, I'll google around. Thanks for all of the help, guys |
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| 21:37.39 | Titan8990 | KrazyA1pha, i would hit up their chan, their guide mentions using it on multiple distros that do not come with python 2.6 |
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| 21:37.56 | KrazyA1pha | Yeah, I'm in there but they're pretty dead |
| 21:38.07 | KrazyA1pha | 7 folks |
| 21:38.16 | greycat | I don't really get why upgrading python in Debian is such a big deal. Are Debian python scripts written in such a way that new versions of python typically break them? |
| 21:38.36 | akoimeexx | greycat: Yes. |
| 21:38.48 | akoimeexx | Personal experience. Yes they are. |
| 21:39.09 | haroelcabo | how can I tell which debian version a system runs ? |
| 21:39.16 | greycat | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:39.21 | Titan8990 | greycat, from what I am told, changing your default python version is pretty big... installing a 2nd version shouldn't be |
| 21:39.23 | haroelcabo | greycat: thanks |
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| 21:40.00 | haroelcabo | is there a way to debug why a chroot /dir is signaling an errror with ld.so ? |
| 21:40.06 | akoimeexx | built in functions change in how they're called from 2.5 to 2.6 |
| 21:40.36 | haroelcabo | in /dir there is a broken debian system which I'd like to fix chrooting to it, and reappling the .dbes |
| 21:40.42 | greycat | haroelcabo: probably trying to run a dynamically linked program (shell) and missing $CHROOT/etc/ld.so.cache or similar |
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| 21:43.32 | cads | Hey, is there any channel where people can talk about operating systems in general and hardware/software stacks, and what's going on in the research world and "oh did you try the new d-fly bsd release" "naw i've been playin with minix lately", all without preferences and flame wars? |
| 21:43.48 | greycat | Doubt it. |
| 21:44.03 | akoimeexx | This fantasy you speak of is intriguing. |
| 21:44.07 | cads | lil bit here, too |
| 21:44.10 | greycat | There might be a chance if you drop the "without preferences and flame wars" bit. |
| 21:44.24 | haroelcabo | greycat: you mean perhaps a reference inside ld.so.cache is missing in the system? in that case, how can I rebuild ld.so.cache ? |
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| 21:44.56 | Mr-R | cads: we all tried debian. :o) |
| 21:45.13 | greycat | haroelcabo: the right way? drop a statically linked shell in the chroot, chroot in with that shell, and run ldconfig. The wrong way? copy your system /etc/ld.so.cache into the chroot and pray. |
| 21:45.15 | akoimeexx | Mr-R: What about debian derivatives? |
| 21:45.26 | cads | I know that in any given os channel besides #gentbuntu there are enough people with archaic/exotic computing experience to get some interesting conversations, but there one feels bad for being off topic |
| 21:45.29 | Titan8990 | cads, your only hope is to spend the next year distro hopping |
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| 21:46.04 | kn100 | cads, there are some great channels on freenode for that sort of thing, not going to post them here for fear of spamming |
| 21:46.06 | greycat | cads: if you restrict yourself to Linux distributions, ##linux would fit. |
| 21:46.12 | haroelcabo | greycat: sorry, but how can I get a statically linked shell easily ? |
| 21:46.19 | cads | Titan8990, I've had my early days of distrohopping, it's all the same now :) |
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| 21:46.54 | cads | greycat, I actually am looking specifically for non-linux stuff :D |
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| 21:47.04 | greycat | haroelcabo: there's bash-static and busybox-static |
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| 21:47.11 | greycat | and zsh-static |
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| 21:47.13 | Titan8990 | cads, in a linux channel? |
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| 21:47.31 | kn100 | Hahaha people still use that DCC exploit |
| 21:48.02 | niko | and people still disconnected due to that. |
| 21:48.55 | cads | Titan8990, well, I'd like to hear relevant news about what's going on at the cutting edge... but the cutting edge of linux seems very commercial |
| 21:48.58 | kn100 | I find it sad that people STILL fall prey to the dcc exploit |
| 21:49.07 | kn100 | i mean really, connect to port 8001, problem solved |
| 21:49.12 | akoimeexx | You mean Ubuntu, cads? |
| 21:49.26 | cads | ahem. |
| 21:49.39 | Titan8990 | cads, if your looking for cutting edge, your in the wrong channel for sure |
| 21:49.46 | akoimeexx | I hear commercial and Linux and immediately it comes to mind. |
| 21:50.02 | nsadmin | kn100: ahh, after all the emotional trigger points your final line has some actual content |
| 21:50.30 | kn100 | nsadmin, what? |
| 21:50.34 | cads | bleh, Titan, hold yer horses, I like you guys fine and have no problem being here and helpin with deb though I am currently in 'buntu |
| 21:50.43 | nsadmin | reread your own posts |
| 21:50.58 | nsadmin | I don't want to take up any more space with that |
| 21:51.01 | akoimeexx | smirks. |
| 21:51.27 | Titan8990 | cads, I don't mind at all, as long as your not looking for ubuntu help :). I was just saying the debian is not oriented towards bleeding-edge in any way |
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| 21:51.59 | nsadmin | except for the fact it's offered |
| 21:52.07 | cads | akoimeexx, you hear linux and you immediately think webservers. commercial sponsorship on oss. political battles over new technology being brought into the kernel |
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| 21:53.00 | remote | am i the only one receiving these dcc floods? |
| 21:53.06 | nsadmin | no |
| 21:53.15 | akoimeexx | isn't getting them nearly as much |
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| 21:55.45 | rgr | your client should be able to filter dcc floods. |
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| 21:56.37 | simonrvn | better yet, update the GD'ed firmware on your crappy router |
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| 21:57.58 | drasko | hi all. I just recompiled vlc for Debinan, but I am getting message : main interface error: no interface module matched "globalhotkeys,none". Any ideas? |
| 21:57.58 | fubada | its true i only use linux and OSS for webservers and networking |
| 21:58.13 | fubada | i used to use linux for desktop, but that got old |
| 21:58.38 | fubada | drasko, there's no .deb for VLC? |
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| 21:59.26 | simonrvn | drasko: nothing to freak out about, i get that with sid's too. |
| 21:59.42 | simonrvn | it still fricking runs... |
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| 21:59.49 | hellyeah | hey |
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| 22:00.00 | drasko | fubada, there is, and it sucks. I did not even found new in backports. And I did not suceed to backport it from Sid. And then I recompiled from source. |
| 22:00.01 | hellyeah | how can i count files in a directory |
| 22:00.20 | rgr | didn't see any freaking out. Just a polite question about if anyone knows about it. |
| 22:00.23 | drasko | simonrvn, yes, I know it works. I am just wondering... |
| 22:01.06 | akoimeexx | Wow. Disk full error, on a system with 1.5 TB. Hopping off to focus on maintenance. Ciao. |
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| 22:01.31 | fubada | hellyeah, ls -1 | wc -l |
| 22:01.41 | rgr | drasko: check your interface settings in vlc. |
| 22:01.51 | rgr | globalhotkeys is a configurable module I think. |
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| 22:03.26 | centHOGG | fubada: nice adding that one :) |
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| 22:03.45 | qwd | drasko: testing has the latest I think, look up apt-pinning (though I can't say if it's a good idea to do it, I just know that it's possible) |
| 22:03.48 | simonrvn | O_o |
| 22:03.53 | Rezagrats | How do i re-attain my nautilus sidebar? |
| 22:03.59 | Farhadix | Hi, what command change encoding of a file? I forgot it |
| 22:04.13 | qwd | Rezagrats: F9 ? |
| 22:04.27 | Rezagrats | Nope, qwd. |
| 22:04.31 | qwd | Rezagrats: of if you just clicked it to hide it, click the bar to the left and it'll appear again |
| 22:04.47 | blubberdiblub | Farhadix, for instance "recode" or "iconv" |
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| 22:04.52 | Rezagrats | It's not hidden. it's not there. |
| 22:04.56 | Farhadix | iconv!! |
| 22:04.58 | Farhadix | thanks |
| 22:05.13 | qwd | Rezagrats: was it ever? |
| 22:05.28 | Rezagrats | Qwd, it's a new install. |
| 22:05.37 | jimcooncat | Rezagrats: From the menu View -> Side Pane? |
| 22:05.45 | simonrvn | gconf-editor > apps/nautilus |
| 22:06.37 | Rezagrats | View doesn't have a 'Side Pane' option. D: |
| 22:07.30 | centHOGG | <external USB NTFS no mount fixable? |
| 22:07.33 | qwd | Rezagrats: then you should have said so. Applications->System Tools->File Browser. I *think* |
| 22:07.44 | qwd | Rezagrats: doh, wrong paste |
| 22:08.04 | Rezagrats | Nope, qwd... that was accurate. |
| 22:08.05 | drasko | qwd, nope, I tried. Testing is pinned for me, but still gives me old version (which has a particular bug of not being able to stream via my router HD TV) |
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| 22:08.38 | qwd | Rezagrats: preferences -> something about behaviour preferences -> always open in browser. but you can't do that in testing yet as nautilus crashes when you try to open preferences. just keep it in mind :) |
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| 22:09.05 | Rezagrats | But now how do i get Place>* to open in File Browser ? |
| 22:09.48 | qwd | drasko: that's odd, the latest version *is* in testing. |
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| 22:11.11 | qwd | Rezagrats: you can't until the bug is fixed afaik, maybe you can mess around with the menu item or something but I don't know. I'm waiting for the next version. |
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| 22:11.56 | KrazyA1pha | mifeyuzulowoy is another spammer |
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| 22:12.06 | acton | I'm trying to install debian, it just says "no standard cd rom detected..." when I run the install. I'm running the install off a cd drive. is there a way around this? |
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| 22:12.38 | centHOGG | acton: so the system works with any other cd rom (checking) |
| 22:12.53 | acton | um, it's loading the installer off a cd... |
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| 22:13.15 | dondelelcaro | acton: yeah, but at the point when it's loaded, the bios does it. what type of cdrom is it? |
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| 22:13.26 | acton | \\it's built into my laptop. |
| 22:13.32 | acton | it's internal. |
| 22:13.41 | dondelelcaro | acton: that's not a type. Is it IDE? PCMCIA? |
| 22:13.47 | acton | ide. |
| 22:13.49 | dondelelcaro | what type of laptop? |
| 22:13.54 | acton | toshiba |
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| 22:15.01 | dondelelcaro | acton: which model of toshiba laptop? |
| 22:15.39 | acton | Satellite Pro |
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| 22:15.58 | dondelelcaro | acton: which revision of satellite pro? |
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| 22:16.11 | acton | not sure. |
| 22:16.16 | dondelelcaro | well, kind of need to know that |
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| 22:16.31 | dondelelcaro | but regardless, the issue is that the kernel on the installer isn't able to detect your cdrom drive for some reason |
| 22:16.41 | acton | it doesn't show in system. there's not the type there. |
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| 22:16.54 | haroelcabo | well, I've have a debian woody in a chroot, that when booted in its own machine, fails to login. |
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| 22:17.05 | haroelcabo | in the chroot it works |
| 22:17.06 | dondelelcaro | acton: iirc it's printed on the bottom, or the top or visible where you see the serial number. |
| 22:17.07 | qwd | acton: find out. look at your laptop. turn it around, look on the bottom, see if you find anything on it. make it easy for people to help you. |
| 22:17.11 | haroelcabo | I'd like to sane it |
| 22:17.22 | dondelelcaro | haroelcabo: woody is a bit *old* |
| 22:17.29 | acton | Urm, I'm blind. I'm not just going to b e able to "look" at the bottom of my laptop. |
| 22:17.37 | haroelcabo | dondelelcaro: yes, but maybe I can fix it |
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| 22:18.09 | dondelelcaro | acton: ok, well, it's going to be hard for us to figure out what precisely is the problem without that. if you can boot off of usb, that may also be an option, but difficult to say. |
| 22:18.25 | acton | yeah. how hard is it to USBBoot deb? |
| 22:18.26 | Rezagrats | For some reason my resolution in Debian wants to be 1600x1024 when it should be 1280x1024. any ideas? |
| 22:18.39 | dondelelcaro | acton: pretty easy, assuming your hardware supports it |
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| 22:19.04 | acton | it does. it's a new laptop |
| 22:19.12 | rgr | Theres been a lot of claims about debian getting max res wrong recentlyf or some reasons. |
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| 22:19.32 | blizzow1 | is everyone in here getting flooded by requests to accept a file from random users? |
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| 22:19.45 | dondelelcaro | blizzow1: yeah, they're being klined as people see it |
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| 22:20.19 | rgr | Rezagrats: check your subsection display in your screen entry in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:20.20 | acton | amd64 is x86 64-bit, right? |
| 22:20.29 | qwd | acton: yes |
| 22:20.35 | acton | werd, thanks |
| 22:20.47 | qwd | acton: even if you have an intel. amd made it so they get the credit :) |
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| 22:20.51 | centHOGG | do I have to add code to fstab to get an external USB ntfs to automount? |
| 22:21.03 | dondelelcaro | acton: if it's a really new laptop, you may want to try one of kmuto's boot cdroms first, though |
| 22:21.07 | dondelelcaro | !kmuto |
| 22:21.07 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
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| 22:21.17 | Rezagrats | What am i looking for, rgr? |
| 22:21.17 | jonatanmv | hello |
| 22:21.33 | centHOGG | herro |
| 22:21.36 | dondelelcaro | acton: it's possible that the kernel distributed with lenny doesn't support the ide driver in the laptop, in which case, both the cdrom and the harddrive may not work. |
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| 22:22.47 | acton | I'm at http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 22:22.48 | rgr | Rezagrats: I said above. Open that file and check the relevant section. Google too. See if there is 1600 there. |
| 22:22.58 | acton | and looking for the cds. |
| 22:24.19 | keith4 | one word: netinst |
| 22:24.29 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 22:24.39 | Rezagrats | Rgr, there's nothing in xorg.conf that mentions a screen resolution. :\ |
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| 22:24.40 | acton | there are no isos here though. is there a netinst iso on the deb site? |
| 22:24.49 | keith4 | will never understand why anyone uses anything other than netinst |
| 22:25.12 | qwd | acton: 32 bit or 64 bit? |
| 22:25.14 | nsadmin | keith4, unsupported net |
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| 22:25.31 | acton | found it. thanks, sorry. |
| 22:25.41 | acton | was looking at the tiny. I just grabbed a "small" cd |
| 22:25.50 | nsadmin | you could still install the base and all... |
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| 22:26.03 | acton | Hopefully this kernel will support my cd drive. not sure what to do otherwise. |
| 22:26.12 | keith4 | netboot |
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| 22:26.40 | keith4 | or pull the HD, boot something else and debootstrap, etc. there are options |
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| 22:27.07 | nsadmin | but cd 1 should have build-essential and all its deps, kernel source, base, installer... if it doesn't, something's wrong |
| 22:27.14 | acton | I don't have another system to "netboot" off of |
| 22:27.37 | acton | how can I install base if the installer doesn't recognize my cd drive? |
| 22:27.55 | nsadmin | acton: it actually doesn't? |
| 22:27.58 | centHOGG | acton: hi, has this system booted off another boot cd before? |
| 22:28.16 | acton | Yeah. I got an error about it not being recognized. |
| 22:28.26 | centHOGG | any other boot cd |
| 22:28.27 | nsadmin | from waht? |
| 22:28.28 | centHOGG | right? |
| 22:28.37 | acton | not sure. deb is the first I've tried to install. I'm trying for a newer kernel. |
| 22:28.38 | centHOGG | see this is hw |
| 22:28.40 | acton | from... the installer?... |
| 22:28.53 | centHOGG | anyway... |
| 22:28.54 | nsadmin | acton: so the cd actually booted |
| 22:28.57 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 22:28.59 | centHOGG | do I have to add code to fstab to get an external USB ntfs to automount? |
| 22:29.05 | acton | yeah, it did. |
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| 22:29.17 | acton | it booted into the installer, then I got the error. it was whack. |
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| 22:30.04 | acton | Maybe the windows virus infected my bios, too. ;) |
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| 22:30.29 | haroelcabo | where can I get a Debian woody |
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| 22:30.36 | nsadmin | -:- BitchX: Auto-ignoring MonFoobiarorn for 10 minutes [CTCP flood] |
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| 22:30.46 | doubleclick | what the? |
| 22:30.49 | acton | lore |
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| 22:30.57 | centHOGG | an attack |
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| 22:31.10 | kevin7kal | so If I leave the debian chatroom, I stop getting the annoying dcc messages? |
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| 22:31.21 | re_ | yeah |
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| 22:31.31 | nsadmin | kevin7kal: then they start in on your ip most likely |
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| 22:31.53 | rgr | getting a "Debian woody" sounds a bit strange ... |
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| 22:31.59 | centHOGG | heh |
| 22:32.16 | nsadmin | rgr: that's an old joke :P |
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| 22:32.36 | rgr | I know. But every now and again it tickles :-; |
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| 22:32.49 | rgr | Rezagrats : so add one. |
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| 22:33.03 | giwe | Do the desktop icons in KDE goes away when we upgrade from lenny to testing? |
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| 22:33.20 | Shadur | !ops Someone's using DCC exploit attacks to the channel. |
| 22:33.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: shadur complains about: Someone's using DCC exploit attacks to the channel. |
| 22:33.31 | simonrvn | Shadur: we and they know |
| 22:33.38 | MoDaX | giwe: sort of |
| 22:33.41 | centHOGG | yeah I'm gonna come back later after this sh@t |
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| 22:33.55 | rgr | dont see it here. |
| 22:33.57 | giwe | MoDaX: feature? |
| 22:34.00 | MoDaX | giwe: bug |
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| 22:34.19 | giwe | MoDaX: Is there a known fix? |
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| 22:35.28 | remote | what's going on with the floods? |
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| 22:35.42 | MoDaX | giwe: try cleaning icon cache |
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| 22:36.04 | giwe | MoDaX: procedure for that? |
| 22:36.04 | rgr | icon cache? |
| 22:36.09 | simonrvn | remote: dcc file requests. /ignore them |
| 22:36.32 | remote | did you notify freenode staff? |
| 22:36.46 | remote | seems to be going on for a while not |
| 22:36.47 | remote | now |
| 22:36.48 | simonrvn | they know, they're dealing with it |
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| 22:37.04 | Shadowcat | anyone have experience with CMS here? |
| 22:37.12 | remote | CMS? |
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| 22:37.16 | simonrvn | debhlper's been kicking them too |
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| 22:37.21 | MoDaX | giwe: rm ~/.kde/cache-*/kpc/* |
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| 22:37.50 | hedgehoginfog | how do i find out my external IP? |
| 22:37.54 | giwe | MoDaX: thanks. I'll try it when I get to my box. |
| 22:37.55 | Shadowcat | Customer Management System |
| 22:37.59 | rgr | Just out of curiosity what do you guys see with these dcc floods? |
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| 22:38.06 | hedgehoginfog | ipconfig only shows my address in my local network |
| 22:38.10 | rgr | Shadowcat: there are oodles of them. |
| 22:38.21 | nsadmin | hedgehoginfog: you could try traceroute |
| 22:38.22 | Shadowcat | rgr: which is why I'm wondering if anyone has experience with them |
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| 22:38.29 | rgr | I am sure they do. |
| 22:38.35 | simonrvn | ipconfig is only windows. try again. |
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| 22:38.39 | MoDaX | pff, fast to leave |
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| 22:38.57 | Shadowcat | basically, I need a site with user ACL, a file versioning system, discussion board, gallery, and possibly a few other functions |
| 22:38.59 | simonrvn | thanks niko |
| 22:39.04 | kevin7kal | Shadowcat do you mean CRM ? |
| 22:39.15 | Shadowcat | kevin7kal: Wikipedia says cms |
| 22:39.15 | nsadmin | hedgehoginfog: what device is the ext ip on? |
| 22:39.18 | kevin7kal | I thought CMS was typically Content Management System |
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| 22:39.35 | nsadmin | what's +r? |
| 22:39.43 | simonrvn | registered only |
| 22:39.43 | hedgehoginfog | nsadmin, mm..a cable modem i guess.. |
| 22:39.44 | Shadowcat | well... I need CRM+CMS actually |
| 22:39.47 | nsadmin | all |
| 22:39.48 | rgr | CRM is customer relationship management and he probably means that. |
| 22:39.50 | nsadmin | err ahh |
| 22:39.57 | Shadowcat | the site should also be able to handle all our contacts |
| 22:39.59 | hedgehoginfog | nsadmin, it's dhcp |
| 22:39.59 | nsadmin | let's see if I am |
| 22:40.05 | Shadowcat | and the system should be able to send out mass emails to everyone |
| 22:40.05 | rgr | Why are you asking here? |
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| 22:40.12 | Shadowcat | so I guess I need both systems |
| 22:40.20 | Shadowcat | rgr: honestly, because I haven't found a better channel |
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| 22:40.30 | simonrvn | i'm adding them to my block list too |
| 22:40.33 | Shadowcat | feel free to recommend one if you know of one |
| 22:40.39 | kevin7kal | Shadowcat: how about Sugar CRM ? |
| 22:40.54 | simonrvn | Shadowcat: cms, as in websites or customers? |
| 22:40.57 | nsadmin | hedgehoginfog: no, which physical device(s) |
| 22:41.00 | rgr | This is for support of Debian. Not a channel to learn about spamming your customers :-) Google up Linux CRM CMS solutions. |
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| 22:41.06 | simonrvn | never mind |
| 22:41.35 | kevin7kal | so, shouldn't /dcc ignore on typically work to stop these annoying dcc attempts ? |
| 22:41.39 | Shadowcat | rgr: I'll probably run the thing on debian |
| 22:41.48 | Shadowcat | but yes, I agree, it's not a good channel |
| 22:41.50 | Shadowcat | for this |
| 22:41.54 | simonrvn | kevin7kal: yes, recommended |
| 22:42.00 | rgr | SugarCRM is well thought of. |
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| 22:42.40 | rgr | And if you dont know the product that meets your needs then selecting the base OS first would be a bit naive : althought Debian is an excellent Linux based OS for such needs. |
| 22:43.19 | Shadowcat | I've been running debian for years |
| 22:43.26 | Shadowcat | I don't doubt that it can host the crm |
| 22:43.32 | Shadowcat | I mean... it's not a big system |
| 22:43.41 | Shadowcat | it's around 3000 new accounts per year |
| 22:43.53 | Shadowcat | with the amount of simultaneous active accounts numbering in the hundreds |
| 22:44.02 | rgr | optimistic :-) |
| 22:44.21 | Shadowcat | rgr: I'm trying to build an information platform for our union |
| 22:44.30 | Shadowcat | so the new user number is solid |
| 22:44.56 | nsadmin | Shadowcat: if you like TCL you could try openacs |
| 22:45.08 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 22:45.15 | Shadowcat | basically, we get around 3000-4000 new students per year |
| 22:45.23 | Shadowcat | each of them gets an account on the system |
| 22:45.38 | Shadowcat | with that account, they can post comments, post on the boards, and comment on various articles and pictures |
| 22:46.06 | Shadowcat | and, since they're registered, we can send out emails through our mailing list to inform them of our union events |
| 22:46.20 | simonrvn | wtf is 'trendmicro', it rind a bell |
| 22:46.33 | simonrvn | rings* |
| 22:46.46 | nsadmin | Shadowcat: openacs can do all that |
| 22:46.59 | rgr | sounds like nothing more than forum management with that description. many of which get more users a year. some easy php solution is sure to exist. doesnt sound like you want or need a fully fledged CRM system for news users who can post to a forum and get a mass email. |
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| 22:47.52 | Shadowcat | rgr: that's forum management, but we also need a way to post documents on the site |
| 22:47.57 | Shadowcat | and preferably, have version control over those |
| 22:48.14 | Shadowcat | because I know that some union worker will delete an old copy without having a backup |
| 22:48.20 | Shadowcat | and I would like to avoid that if possible |
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| 22:48.40 | nsadmin | dotlrn (which some people don't like) is built on top of openacs, and does communities and runs canned courseware |
| 22:48.54 | Shadowcat | also, I can't rule out that we'll have documents in .doc, .odt, pdf etc |
| 22:49.03 | Shadowcat | so the system needs to support that as well |
| 22:49.12 | nsadmin | yep |
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| 22:50.08 | Shadowcat | ack, AOL Server |
| 22:50.27 | Shadowcat | will have to do a lot of RTFM on this |
| 22:50.35 | rgr | well, you need to writze out what yuo need and compare it to the feature sets offered by sugarcrm or more likely a CMS like Drupal. |
| 22:50.35 | Shadowcat | but to be honest, we can't do worse than we already have |
| 22:50.41 | Shadowcat | exactly |
| 22:50.50 | Spec | Heya, I'm still having a problem getting these interfaces correct. I migrated Debian from physical to a virtual ESX environment, and debian keeps assigning my two network interfaces to "eth6 and eth7". Even though the kernel messages say, when e1000 is loaded up, that it finds eth0 and eth1. When I check with ifconfig (and/or when networking starts), I get errors, as only eth6 and eth7 exist. |
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| 22:51.01 | Shadowcat | www.ths.kth.se and www.isskth.se is what we currently have |
| 22:51.05 | Spec | And eth6 and eth7 have, respectively, the mac addresses the kernel logged when it claimed it set up eth0 and eth1. |
| 22:51.12 | Shadowcat | and if you take a look at those sites you'll realize why we need to change them |
| 22:51.21 | Spec | Where is it pulling this networking information from? (not /etc/network/interfaces, which is set up to use eth0 and eth1) |
| 22:51.41 | Shadowcat | especially the first site, I mean, it's just horrible |
| 22:51.55 | pykler | Q: lxpanel 0.5 when will it move to squeeze? |
| 22:52.08 | pykler | i.e. Anybody know what it is waiting for |
| 22:53.04 | craigevil | pykler: lxpanel 0.5 isnt even in sid, its only in experimental which means it probably has some bugs |
| 22:53.49 | rgr | Shadowcat: I've seen worse. Good luck. |
| 22:54.05 | Shadowcat | rgr: I have a feeling I'll need it |
| 22:54.30 | Shadowcat | hopefully joomla will have what I need |
| 22:54.33 | Shadowcat | and I can stick with that |
| 22:54.42 | nsadmin | plus it can do presentations, maintain professional contact lists, project management, issue tracking, has payment gateways, full-text search (incl. for your custom data types), news, well-organized application plugin architecture, much more |
| 22:54.54 | Shadowcat | but right now I don't know if I can bake CVS or SVN into Joomla elegantly |
| 22:55.32 | pykler | craigevil: i like living on the edge, how man bugs cana panel have |
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| 22:55.45 | pykler | basically i need to autohide this thing |
| 22:55.49 | nsadmin | oh, and the data model has been solid and tested in one form or another since like 1999 or so |
| 22:55.59 | nsadmin | does oracle or pg |
| 22:56.00 | simonrvn | be careful with joomla, it has a lot of security issues |
| 22:56.06 | Shadowcat | nsadmin: we do have the issue of multiple staff needing to edit the same customer list |
| 22:56.13 | Shadowcat | or in our case, the same list of attendees to a party |
| 22:56.14 | craigevil | pykler: hehehe not many i have 0.5.3-1, grabbed it from exp a while back |
| 22:56.30 | Shadowcat | a lot of the time 5-10 users need to update and get data out of that list at once |
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| 22:56.41 | Shadowcat | and right now we don't have an effective way of accessing that data |
| 22:56.42 | pykler | craigevil: oh what else do you need to grab |
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| 22:57.06 | craigevil | pykler: i run sid, but i dont think it pulled in anything else from exp |
| 22:57.06 | Shadowcat | simonrvn: yes, plus the fact that I don't think Joomla has enough teeth for the type of stuff that I want to do with it |
| 22:57.22 | simonrvn | Shadowcat: did you look at drupal or concrete5 ? |
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| 22:57.36 | Shadowcat | simonrvn: drupal being considered |
| 22:57.42 | Shadowcat | haven't heard of the second one |
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| 22:57.45 | Shadowcat | looking |
| 22:57.47 | pykler | craigevil: oh ur that much on the edge, ill see what happens with squeeze |
| 22:57.50 | nsadmin | the drawbacks are, it's not the same web server everyone uses, so there's learning curve there... it's not mysql, supposedly the most popular (but pg is much more solid than that, so I consider it a plus) |
| 22:57.51 | kevin7kal | Shadowcat: plone is great for CMS |
| 22:58.03 | simonrvn | it's more blog-y sorta cms than group-y |
| 22:58.12 | nsadmin | generally it's for big sites like amazon |
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| 22:58.38 | Shadowcat | basically, the only requirement I have is that it's FOSS software |
| 22:58.43 | simonrvn | nsadmin: which one are you talking about? |
| 22:58.44 | Shadowcat | other than that the field is pretty much open |
| 22:58.49 | nsadmin | it totally is |
| 22:59.00 | nsadmin | simonrvn: openacs |
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| 22:59.12 | simonrvn | 'k i thought so, but wasn't sure |
| 22:59.30 | Shadowcat | since we're a union the members probably don't want to shell out for an expensive CMS system unless they have to |
| 22:59.39 | Shadowcat | also, the union currently has a drupal system in place |
| 22:59.50 | Shadowcat | BUT, the division I'm responsible for is an independent part of the union |
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| 23:00.09 | jelly-home | and yall suffer from NIH? |
| 23:00.19 | Shadowcat | so if I can I'll run them both on the same system, but it's by no means a requirement |
| 23:00.21 | Shadowcat | NIH? |
| 23:00.27 | jelly-home | !nih |
| 23:00.27 | dpkg | somebody said nih was "Not Invented Here" - a syndrome often suffered by developers and companies who tend to reinvent the wheel for no reason other than being able to put their name on it. |
| 23:00.49 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: they removed the "Webmaster" position in the last organization |
| 23:00.54 | Shadowcat | reorganization |
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| 23:01.08 | Shadowcat | I would like to get hold of the guy who did that, and literally boil him alive |
| 23:01.14 | kn100 | Anyone here have a VPN and if so how much is it? |
| 23:01.14 | Shadowcat | in liquid mercury |
| 23:01.23 | nsadmin | Shadowcat: openacs and all its deps are free (db choices are oracle and pg, of course oracle is not free) |
| 23:01.36 | Shadowcat | nsadmin: I'll look into it |
| 23:01.49 | Shadowcat | one more requirement is that it needs to be simple enough so that the guy after me can use it |
| 23:01.57 | Shadowcat | and that he can administer it without breaking it |
| 23:02.02 | Shadowcat | which is by no means a small requirement |
| 23:02.14 | Shadowcat | because I'm most likely building the entire box from the server up |
| 23:02.14 | nsadmin | well you can look at oacsrocks.org |
| 23:02.40 | Shadowcat | but I doubt the next guy will be skilled enough to setup a web server or web servicing cluster from scratch |
| 23:03.28 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: our university apparently runs 2-3 cocurrent login systems and each school has their own little CRM/CMS system |
| 23:03.31 | Shadowcat | it's a nightmare |
| 23:03.50 | nsadmin | it has pluggable authentication |
| 23:04.07 | nsadmin | I've never played with that, but supposedly you could do ldap |
| 23:04.12 | Shadowcat | hmm... funny you should say that |
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| 23:04.20 | Shadowcat | I have to write my own authentication modules I think |
| 23:04.43 | Shadowcat | each student that gets accepted at the university gets a unique 10 digit number sent to them |
| 23:04.53 | Shadowcat | they need that to activate their accounts |
| 23:05.13 | Shadowcat | after they do that my plan is to give them a so called limited account |
| 23:05.38 | cirwin | can I install a php that does not depend on apache? |
| 23:05.48 | Shadowcat | which will last until they pay their union fee, at which point we can let them authenticate with their regular university login account, which they get on registration day |
| 23:05.57 | nsadmin | you could write an app (in openacs or something else) that handles that and creates an ldap identity for them |
| 23:06.14 | Shadowcat | nsadmin: yeah, the LDAP server won't be ours |
| 23:06.24 | Shadowcat | we'll probably use a simpler authentication system, but I'm not sure yet |
| 23:06.26 | jelly-home | cirwin: php5-cli is a command line interpreter. php5-cgi is a cgi version independent of the httpd used |
| 23:06.30 | themill | cirwin: php5-cgi or php5-cli, take your pick |
| 23:06.33 | Shadowcat | or, in the worst case, we might need two LDAP systems |
| 23:06.43 | cirwin | ok, I just tried installing php-pear and it brung the whole lot |
| 23:06.50 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: can you spell fe de ra tion? |
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| 23:07.05 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: ? |
| 23:07.06 | nsadmin | fe is iron, right? |
| 23:07.29 | filePeter | lol |
| 23:07.34 | Shadowcat | didn't get that |
| 23:07.46 | cads | hey, a guy wants to know what the best way of making an offline installation disk for some apt-packages (including dependencies)... I'm not sure if he's expecting this to work across different versions of deb, or if it's ubuntu, but the general problem is interesting.. when can we take packages from one computer and use them on another? |
| 23:07.47 | simonrvn | 'brought' |
| 23:07.49 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: dunno about your place, but european academics had a federated ldap-based system of single sign-on |
| 23:08.09 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: sigh... I haven't even started to deal with Eduroam yet |
| 23:08.12 | nsadmin | cads: one way could involve fai |
| 23:08.17 | jelly-home | right, that's it |
| 23:08.28 | Shadowcat | and I doubt Eduroam will be a problem since it's a union website |
| 23:08.31 | cads | fai? |
| 23:08.40 | Shadowcat | unless your acccount ends with @kth.se you shouldn't have access to the site anyway |
| 23:09.07 | Shadowcat | plus, if we need to give eduroam users access it would most likely be limited accounts |
| 23:09.14 | cads | oh, friendly ai |
| 23:09.19 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: there were plugins for moodle and joomla and probably other apps to auth against the eduroam backend thing |
| 23:09.30 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 23:09.41 | Shadowcat | I know the kth system operates with a ticket system |
| 23:09.47 | Shadowcat | probably kerberos based |
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| 23:10.10 | Shadowcat | hmm... |
| 23:10.12 | jelly-home | (or you can move off to M$ :-D) |
| 23:10.18 | Shadowcat | NO WAY |
| 23:10.22 | Shadowcat | over my dead body |
| 23:10.29 | cheako | Shadowcat: Google OS? |
| 23:10.37 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 23:10.42 | Shadowcat | Google OS is pretty much Linux |
| 23:10.49 | nsadmin | Shadowcat: some examples... (sites that use the original acs), wgbh.org, scorecard.org (openacs) berkleemusic.com, greenpeace.org |
| 23:10.59 | jelly-home | sure... like Android is "just Linux" |
| 23:11.17 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: well, whatever it will be, it'll most likely be FOSS |
| 23:11.28 | Shadowcat | because I doubt the union has the money to pay for that kind of a crm/cms system |
| 23:11.44 | Shadowcat | plus, we're a technical college |
| 23:11.45 | jelly-home | ah, the other kind of free |
| 23:11.58 | simonrvn | they're going after #perl now |
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| 23:12.13 | nsadmin | that won't last |
| 23:12.21 | Shadowcat | surely we have more than enough <insert language here> hackers to maintain such a system |
| 23:12.22 | simonrvn | staff is there |
| 23:12.45 | Shadowcat | or more like <insert technical field here> hackers |
| 23:12.46 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: "hackers" don't maintain... they implement and leave to rot |
| 23:12.58 | cads | Shadowcat, but all the cool hackers are working on google wave the boo language and junk |
| 23:12.59 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: so the next generation of hackers can do it all over again |
| 23:13.03 | Shadowcat | as long as it's working |
| 23:13.06 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: hence: NIH |
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| 23:13.22 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: well... we have a nuclear reactor under our campus somewhere |
| 23:13.36 | Shadowcat | so I think we should be able to manage to put together a crm/cms site |
| 23:13.37 | jelly-home | free energy! |
| 23:13.45 | nsadmin | Shadowcat: finally... there is openacs.org, and #openacs (this net) |
| 23:13.59 | Shadowcat | nsadmin: I'll take a thorough look at it |
| 23:14.23 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: we had a working mini fusion reactor too |
| 23:14.29 | Shadowcat | or should I say plasma reactor |
| 23:14.36 | Shadowcat | I doubt they got it to fusion critical temperatures |
| 23:14.48 | Shadowcat | but I did see the assembly |
| 23:15.10 | nsadmin | oacsrocks.org lets you set up an openacs (and/or dotlrn) to play with, incl. ssh shell access so you can write/alter pages and other code |
| 23:16.07 | Shadowcat | the part that worries me about openacs is that it runs on AOL Server |
| 23:16.19 | Shadowcat | I would prefer to have something that runs on apache |
| 23:16.21 | nsadmin | you're worried about the name? |
| 23:16.26 | haroelcabo | what's the command to directly install a package whose .deb file I have on disk (in the cache) ? |
| 23:16.39 | nsadmin | haroelcabo: dpkg --help |
| 23:16.58 | Shadowcat | nsadmin: not really... but I am worried about the fact that most of the people I know are apache experts |
| 23:17.33 | Shadowcat | my successor is a lot more likely to know Linux/Apache/mySQL/PHP/Java/Python/Ruby/C/C++ than any other combination |
| 23:17.33 | nsadmin | ahh, yes, aolserver (aka naviserv) is -very- different and has its learning curve |
| 23:17.41 | drasko | HI all. In VLC I am getting this error: It seems your FFMPEG (libavcodec) installation lacks the following encoder: MPEG-2 Video |
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| 23:18.16 | Shadowcat | although, I doubt I want a java based system either |
| 23:18.25 | nsadmin | oh hell no :) |
| 23:18.28 | cads | Shadowcat, I think there are simple devices that achieve fusion reactions without trying to harness any net energy... they're mostly used as proton sources |
| 23:18.52 | nsadmin | you don't want day-long compile times for single-line edits... |
| 23:18.55 | Shadowcat | nsadmin: mostly because I don't want people attempting to deploy their own servlets on the live system |
| 23:18.57 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: the language doesn't really matter if the system's well disgned and written |
| 23:19.18 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: true |
| 23:19.36 | Shadowcat | nsadmin: but port install <big package> is such an efficient way to do things ;) |
| 23:19.50 | cheako | Do I still need /proc listed in fstab or is this legacy? |
| 23:20.01 | Shadowcat | speaking of port, port install qt4-mac takes over five hours :( |
| 23:20.21 | nsadmin | you're looking to do this on... a bsd system? |
| 23:20.35 | Shadowcat | nsadmin: no, I am running a bsd system right now though |
| 23:20.36 | cheako | I've noticed several mounts despite missing fstab entries. /sys /dev /dev/shm... |
| 23:20.39 | Shadowcat | using mac os x |
| 23:20.39 | cads | I think future languages will need to have formal verification built in |
| 23:20.40 | haroelcabo | I know how to install a.deb package if it is in a repository, but when is is the .deb file, how is it ? |
| 23:20.43 | Shadowcat | my server is running debian |
| 23:20.49 | jelly-home | cheako: a fresh lenny install has it. |
| 23:20.54 | nsadmin | haroelcabo: dpkg --help |
| 23:21.02 | nsadmin | have you done that yet? |
| 23:21.18 | jelly-home | cheako: and it obviously doesn't hurt anything, so why not just leave it there |
| 23:21.35 | Shadowcat | what's probably going to happen is that the union is going to give me the minimum amount of funding possible to pull this off |
| 23:21.35 | cads | we'll see a lot more compilers that also prove properties about the code's conformance to a formal specification |
| 23:21.56 | nsadmin | I see, you're not willing to respond. well good luck with that... |
| 23:21.57 | Shadowcat | so I'll be lucky if I can even build a server out of server grade components |
| 23:22.04 | cheako | jelly-home: Smaller is better. |
| 23:22.36 | jelly-home | cheako: yeah, in this case, I choose smaller amount of human time spent on useless details |
| 23:22.36 | cheako | jelly-home: It's more of a problem 4 me that /sys is not listed, but is mounted anyway. |
| 23:22.42 | Shadowcat | for this type of system I would say two servers in a load balancing system, with at least tape backups |
| 23:22.44 | nsadmin | Shadowcat: all the parts should build on bsd or linux or many other unix-alikes |
| 23:22.53 | Shadowcat | but we'll see what I can get them to sign off on |
| 23:23.05 | Shadowcat | nsadmin: yes, but I want ECC ram if I can have it |
| 23:23.12 | Shadowcat | and Xeons, not Core 2 Duos |
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| 23:23.44 | Shadowcat | or, if the school happens to have a few UltraSparc IVs left over that I can use |
| 23:23.48 | Shadowcat | I'll use those |
| 23:23.56 | Shadowcat | they have more than enough power to power this site |
| 23:24.10 | nsadmin | I've seen debian run on sparcs if that's any help |
| 23:24.22 | Shadowcat | I'll run it on OpenSolaris if I have to |
| 23:24.26 | phantomcircuit | bbl |
| 23:24.33 | Shadowcat | as long as I have a stable server platform I'll be happy |
| 23:24.41 | Shadowcat | whether it be intel, powerpc, or sparc |
| 23:24.59 | simonrvn | has a preference for ppc |
| 23:25.01 | Shadowcat | hmm... maybe I'll poke around to see if the school still has those G4s... |
| 23:25.25 | drasko | Hi all. In VLC I am getting this error: It seems your FFMPEG (libavcodec) installation lacks the following encoder: MPEG-2 Video. |
| 23:25.35 | drasko | ubuntu requires the user to enable restricted encoders by installing libavcodec-extra-52 |
| 23:25.41 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 23:25.44 | drasko | Is there something similar in Debian? |
| 23:25.45 | Shadowcat | this isn't #ubuntu |
| 23:25.57 | Shadowcat | oh.... umm... enable non-free and contrib |
| 23:25.59 | Shadowcat | see if that helps |
| 23:26.17 | jelly-home | drasko: well. Debian cripples encoders because of patent issues. /msg dpkg dmm, that repository has uncrippled stuff |
| 23:26.38 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: even in non-free? |
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| 23:26.59 | jelly-home | drasko: I'm unsure if those will work with vlc. |
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| 23:27.06 | drasko | I enabled non-free long time ago |
| 23:27.19 | Shadowcat | but did you install anything from non-free? |
| 23:27.22 | drasko | jelly-home, what can I do? |
| 23:27.26 | Shadowcat | I know for a fact that rar has two versions |
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| 23:27.30 | Shadowcat | rar and rar-nonfree |
| 23:27.35 | Shadowcat | maybe vlc has something similar |
| 23:27.55 | drasko | Shadowcat, how can I know if I installed from non-free? |
| 23:28.12 | drasko | Shadowcat, I recompiled vlc from the source. It is ffmpeg that makes problems |
| 23:28.21 | jelly-home | drasko: apt-cache policy packagename will show installable package candidates |
| 23:28.30 | Shadowcat | what he said |
| 23:28.38 | tck9 | is there a way to find out the partition type without mounting it |
| 23:28.41 | jelly-home | drasko: so rebuild with libavcodec* and stuff from dmm |
| 23:29.01 | tck9 | i remember a command that would tell you the partition type but forgot what it was |
| 23:29.03 | craigevil | drasko: install ffmpeg from ddm, along with things like libavcodec52, personally never had much luck with vlc, mplayer/smplayer play damn near anything |
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| 23:29.29 | nsadmin | tck9: fdisk and (p)rint the partition table |
| 23:29.39 | jelly-home | craigevil: he has _en_coder issues, not decoder |
| 23:29.49 | drasko | craigevil, what is ddm? |
| 23:29.54 | jelly-home | drasko: /msg dpkg dmm |
| 23:30.38 | tck9 | i needed the partition filesystem like ext3,ntfs, etc. |
| 23:30.55 | jelly-home | tck9: blkid often guesses right |
| 23:31.11 | tck9 | oh just remembered... it was file -s /dev/sda1 |
| 23:31.44 | simonrvn | might want some -k with your -s |
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| 23:33.30 | dondelelcaro | simonrvn: they build whatever they have buildds for |
| 23:33.51 | simonrvn | one is being arranged |
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| 23:35.29 | drasko | craigevil, thanks a millon |
| 23:36.31 | cheako | /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/lynx contains /usr/bin/lynx.stable and /usr/bin/lynx.stable segfaults but does not belong to any installed package. What can I do to cleanup alternatives of any program in this state? |
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| 23:41.39 | cheako | cruft is about the closest I can get. |
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| 23:48.04 | *** join/#debian _stack (n=blbl@unaffiliated/stack) |
| 23:54.17 | haroelcabo | when I type ldd in this chrooted system, I get: |
| 23:54.18 | haroelcabo | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dynamic-link.h: 62: elf_get_dynamic_info: Assertion `! "bad dynamic tag"' failed! |
| 23:54.33 | haroelcabo | does anyone have any idea of how to fix it ? |
| 23:54.34 | *** part/#debian ice799 (n=joe@67-23-10-49.static.slicehost.net) |
| 23:57.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 885] by debhelper |
| 23:58.44 | cheako | haroelcabo: ldconfig? |
