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| 00:01.05 | arsen_ | anyone suggest some sort of webmin/virtualmin alternative? ive been pointed to ebox but it seems more geared to ubuntu? |
| 00:02.04 | haroelcabo | cheako: ldconfig runs without error, but the wierd error persists. I'd need something to debug it |
| 00:03.29 | nsadmin | arsen_ learn the usual CLI tools to do the admin work, including learning the shell |
| 00:05.41 | arsen_ | nsadmin, thats not really an answer is it :P im well aware of how to admin a box, im just interested to discover a new web based admin tool |
| 00:05.45 | cheako | haroelcabo: LD_DEBUG=something |
| 00:05.48 | cheako | haroelcabo: LD_DEBUG=something ls |
| 00:06.12 | cheako | man ld.so |
| 00:06.34 | nsadmin | arsen_: it is since you asked for an alternative |
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| 00:07.20 | arsen_ | cant beat smartass help :/ |
| 00:07.51 | arsen_ | can anyone recommend a web based server admin tool, similar to webmin? or has anyone used ebox and willing to recommend it ? |
| 00:08.26 | nsadmin | some webmin modules are broken, that's part of why you don't see webmin packages in debian and offered by official debian repos |
| 00:08.46 | cheako | arsen_: If there is anything it's webmin. I've used Plesk, but then I had to learn it's mysql schema. |
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| 00:10.40 | rgr | Why in the gnome network UI on the desktop when you create an SSH icon for a server does it call it "sftp servername"? |
| 00:11.13 | nsadmin | arsen_: you came up with an alternative yourself... you didn't try it? because someone else didn't say "try it"? |
| 00:12.08 | cheako | nsadmin: That's valid, no sense being the first person to "try it". |
| 00:12.50 | arsen_ | well i dont see any harm in doing some research |
| 00:13.04 | arsen_ | i read around the site, all the setup guides indicate it being geared towards buntu |
| 00:13.14 | rgr | using the nvidia squeeze "method" I am currently at 185.18.36-2 : anyone know if its safe to move to the new sid candidate which is now sitting at 190? (I doubt I will but wouldn't mind knowing if anyones done it successfully lately) |
| 00:13.23 | arsen_ | im not here to explain myself, or justify everything im doing, i simply wanted some people's opinions |
| 00:13.23 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 00:13.26 | arsen_ | if you dont want to share one, dont :) |
| 00:13.37 | vlt | Hello. What algo is used to create a file name in ~/.thumbnails? Looks like an md5sum of something, but what? filename, filename+mtime, filename+mtime+resolution, ...? |
| 00:14.31 | rgr | arsen_: you have to try and turn a blind eye to "help" which is not what you are looking for at times. Some people will nevre see the value of a good web based of gui based admin tool. |
| 00:15.03 | arsen_ | im well aware. |
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| 00:15.28 | nsadmin | at least if he tried the two alternatives he's listed, he'd have more to say about why or why not specific features of them fit his needs... and since he just said he's conducting research and is not willing to make it a two-way communication because that would be "explaining himself", that tends to alienate people who could help more. |
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| 00:15.32 | rgr | As it is I think its perfectly legitimate to ask for personal recommendations in a debian user chat channel. some people take offence at that too. |
| 00:15.51 | arsen_ | ive tried both, nsadmin |
| 00:16.10 | arsen_ | im here in the DEBIAN channel to get some debian expert/specific input/expertise |
| 00:16.14 | nsadmin | then state your requirements as a difference between what you've seen and waht you want |
| 00:16.18 | rgr | Not really. He just asked people if they could recommend tools. It's not a crime to solicit the advice of user who use the same OS. |
| 00:18.42 | nsadmin | there are lists of tools at packages.debian.org |
| 00:19.21 | rgr | which dont give personal recommendatins or explain why a human preferred them. What is your problem? The guy is asking for recommendations. |
| 00:19.52 | nsadmin | my problem is he's only interested in one-way communication |
| 00:20.09 | nsadmin | which is exactly what I'm not interested in |
| 00:20.41 | rgr | I have no idea what you mean. You can recommend and say why and then he can say "oo" and "ah" or "I was maybe thinking more of..." etc etc. And if you're not interested don#t make so much noise. |
| 00:20.54 | rgr | maybe others are. |
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| 00:21.39 | nsadmin | he hasn't stated any history of what he's tried other than the two he mentioned, and that was only after doing what seemed like pulling teeth... that seems (and elicits) uncooperative attitude/spirit |
| 00:21.50 | rgr | from you. |
| 00:21.55 | nsadmin | and to me |
| 00:22.32 | arsen_ | i was not uncooperative at any stage, or atleast until you fobbed me off with a smartass "LEARN TO USE CLI" response, which might of been LITERALLY valid, clearly isnt helpful. |
| 00:22.47 | arsen_ | regardless, i was asking for advice or opinions, to which i can comment and respond. |
| 00:23.29 | arsen_ | it is not illegal to ask questions BEFORE you try, as to me, it is important i get things right. Meaning i tend to do some investigation before i begin with a task. |
| 00:24.08 | nsadmin | if you were actually conducting research, you'd have the research you've done so far documented... any helper (or potential commenter) who would peruse your results might have MUCH better comments than any would in a vacuum |
| 00:24.17 | arsen_ | instead, this farse of help ensues where ive now spent 15 minutes with this.. all i wanted to know is if anyone had used ebox or anything similar and was willing to share experiences/opinions |
| 00:24.28 | nsadmin | but you did try (or so you said) |
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| 00:25.57 | nsadmin | and therefore you should have results |
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| 00:26.10 | arsen_ | essentially nsadmin, if you dont want to help or get involved, you dont have to, im not asking you to or forcing you to. im quite happy to ask away and get no response, id rather have no response than smartass comments and a lecture about how the support/help world works. |
| 00:26.12 | nsadmin | and those results should reflect your needs and wants |
| 00:26.14 | rgr | arsen_: you did nothing wrong. Ignore him. There has been a boom in self appointed jobs worth topicality cops here recently. You'll see a lot of them making "well I wont help" comments normally with a cheeky smile to one of their sysop heroes. Better to let it go or you'll get banned :-( |
| 00:26.28 | nsadmin | if you don't share those, that's uncooperative |
| 00:27.35 | arsen_ | rgr, i know. i work in support, and do regular voluntary support on various networks/chans/forums etc.. im well aware of the help nazis out there. |
| 00:27.55 | MAd_haTTer | lol |
| 00:28.01 | nsadmin | if you want to restrict what you say and be the only one to gain benefit, why not hire someone |
| 00:28.12 | MAd_haTTer | you guys realize you have been bickering for ~half an hour |
| 00:28.16 | arsen_ | i've no idea what you're on about nsadmin :) |
| 00:28.21 | arsen_ | well aware, MAd_haTTer |
| 00:28.32 | MAd_haTTer | arsen_: perhaps control panel is what you are looking for |
| 00:28.44 | arsen_ | x) |
| 00:29.12 | nsadmin | arsen_: yes you do, you're an experienced admin |
| 00:29.30 | MAd_haTTer | makes drum roll |
| 00:29.44 | MAd_haTTer | I can nbot say for sure tho, not really a gui guy I use cli ;) |
| 00:29.51 | MAd_haTTer | shuckles |
| 00:29.57 | MAd_haTTer | chuckles* |
| 00:30.39 | MAd_haTTer | walks away before he gets in trouble.. |
| 00:30.44 | arsen_ | agreed. |
| 00:30.45 | arsen_ | :p |
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| 00:32.03 | Joelito | hi guys, need a good app to crop images...ideas? |
| 00:32.34 | nsadmin | sheesh... I'm not going to repeat all that |
| 00:32.35 | gusto | mogrify |
| 00:32.40 | gusto | gimp |
| 00:32.56 | nsadmin | !search |
| 00:32.57 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
| 00:33.20 | gusto | mogrify or convert is included with the ImageMagick package Joelito |
| 00:33.24 | qwd | Joelito: imagemagick if you're looking for cli. |
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| 00:33.50 | Joelito | qwd, actually a GUI to select the areas to crop |
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| 00:34.17 | qwd | Joelito: really? is that included in the imagemagick package? |
| 00:34.20 | gusto | Joelito: you can use for example gimp |
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| 00:35.01 | qwd | gimp for cropping images is a bit overkill no? |
| 00:35.08 | gusto | Joelito: and to macosx you have preview |
| 00:35.11 | rgr | Holy cow. Now dpkg is supposed to recommend the best image cropper eh? Sheesh. Get a life. |
| 00:35.13 | gusto | Joelito: :-) |
| 00:35.29 | gusto | qwd: he wants a GUI |
| 00:35.58 | gusto | qwd: maybe f-spot or gthumb can make it also |
| 00:36.08 | Joelito | gusto, sure I can but...I only need a single app for crop, I like gimp, but is to bloat for what I need |
| 00:36.18 | gusto | qwd: i didnt crop images, ... i didnt even use that apps, so |
| 00:36.24 | gusto | qwd: i dont knwo |
| 00:36.27 | gusto | qwd: know |
| 00:36.47 | nsadmin | arsen_, http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/ search that page for "admin" |
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| 00:37.07 | gusto | Joelito: like i wrote - fspot, gthumb, maybe you find something new i dont know about |
| 00:37.09 | qwd | oh, Joelito is the guy asking, I thought he was telling me imagemagick *had* a gui for cropping :) |
| 00:37.29 | gusto | qwd: no, he didnt tell that |
| 00:37.45 | qwd | obviously I got that by now |
| 00:37.56 | rgr | Joelito: I have used gthumb in the past for gui - light and fast and can control from kbd. |
| 00:38.14 | nsadmin | Joelito http://packages.debian.org/stable/graphics/ has a list of all the graphics stuff; while a search for " |
| 00:38.55 | nsadmin | crop" failed, that's a smaller feature and could be in common to the many packages listed there |
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| 00:39.43 | Joelito | nsadmin I'll look |
| 00:39.47 | dondelelcaro | dunno, display in imagemagick may have a gui to do it |
| 00:39.51 | orudie | how would I ssh from debian server to another ssh which has ssh key ? |
| 00:40.00 | MAd_haTTer | ssh h |
| 00:40.05 | MAd_haTTer | ssh hostname |
| 00:40.22 | MAd_haTTer | unless it is a different user.. then ssh otheruser@hostname |
| 00:40.25 | nsadmin | ssh user@host.com |
| 00:40.26 | rgr | their key is immaterial though if you are sshing into them. |
| 00:40.33 | orudie | but I need the public key don't I ? |
| 00:40.49 | nsadmin | no, the remote needs your pub key |
| 00:40.51 | MAd_haTTer | man ssh-keygen |
| 00:40.58 | rgr | you copy your public key to them. They then add it to their authorized file. |
| 00:41.03 | MAd_haTTer | pretty straight forward |
| 00:41.09 | nsadmin | unless you want to use your passwd |
| 00:41.12 | multi_io | the server needs the public key of the user who longs into it |
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| 00:41.35 | rgr | MAd_haTTer: it is when you know it :-) I remember getting it all arse backwards when I started :-) |
| 00:42.36 | MAd_haTTer | that part is called experience ;) |
| 00:42.36 | orudie | errr :) |
| 00:43.14 | rgr | MAd_haTTer: true. But some of the help HowTos make a speciality in over complicating it. |
| 00:43.14 | nsadmin | which you gain thru trying |
| 00:44.12 | orudie | yup i have to 2 vps's which i'm used to ssh-ing to with putty , but not between each other |
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| 00:46.44 | nsadmin | orudie so each originator needs a key pair, and each remote the originator will ssh to will need the originator's public half of the key |
| 00:47.06 | sander | How do I list which files apart of a package? |
| 00:47.21 | sander | the files* |
| 00:47.26 | nsadmin | sander: dpkg --help |
| 00:48.11 | nsadmin | the -L will get you the files that came from the tarball part (not the files generated by the packaging or by executables in the package) |
| 00:49.27 | cheako | Watching Death Note... Don't say things like "L will get you." |
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| 00:49.57 | cybert | hey guys, is there no base-config in squeeze? |
| 00:50.04 | nsadmin | I didn't know you were watching that! |
| 00:50.17 | nsadmin | what show is that? |
| 00:51.10 | orudie | how would I change this ? orudie@server:/$ |
| 00:51.26 | orudie | @server doesn't sound right doesn't it ? |
| 00:51.27 | nsadmin | your prompt? |
| 00:51.39 | cybert | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.42 | qwd | nsadmin: a great anime. |
| 00:51.48 | cheako | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Note |
| 00:51.55 | qwd | !dpkg tell cybert -about patience |
| 00:52.32 | rgr | youch. the last testing update did a lot of "mono" things .... |
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| 00:52.42 | nsadmin | qwd: well you better watch out or Q and U will get you (the director and star of killbill, respectively) |
| 00:52.45 | qwd | orudie: that's the name of the computer, no? |
| 00:52.47 | rgr | ... |
| 00:53.04 | orudie | qwd, as in hostname ? |
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| 00:53.17 | qwd | orudie: yep. |
| 00:53.53 | orudie | qwd, but hostname returns a different output : server.wtfever.net |
| 00:54.35 | rgr | orudie: this really is a "man ssh" issue. "ssh user@hostname" where hostname is the name of the destination host. It must be resolveable by dns or in your hosts file. |
| 00:54.50 | nsadmin | orudie: consider that server.somethign.com seems like too general a name |
| 00:55.05 | rgr | e.g "ssh orudie@mickeymouse" |
| 00:55.42 | nsadmin | rgr: I think he's asking about his prompt string |
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| 00:56.21 | orudie | orudie@server:/$ cat /etc/hosts |
| 00:56.21 | orudie | 127.0.0.1 server.wtfever.net server localhost localhost.localdomain |
| 00:56.21 | orudie | orudie@server:/$ |
| 00:56.36 | qwd | orudie: I don't know, cat /etc/hostname has the same thing as my prompt. |
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| 00:57.14 | rgr | your prompt may or may not have somethinf to do with your hostname. |
| 00:57.39 | nsadmin | and apparantly his current prompt actually does |
| 00:57.39 | vlt | Hello. What algo is used to create a file name in ~/.thumbnails? Looks like an md5sum of something, but what? filename, filename+mtime, filename+mtime+resolution, ...? |
| 00:57.44 | qwd | I'm guessing yours does too since I see "server" in your hosts file. |
| 00:57.48 | rgr | orudie: are you confusing "hostname" in the examples for "hostname" the bash commans? |
| 00:58.49 | rgr | if you have the ip of the remote host you want to ssh into use that inseatd to test. e.g "ssh user@192.168.0.101" |
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| 00:59.45 | \amethyst | vlt: http://jens.triq.net/thumbnail-spec/thumbsave.html |
| 01:00.19 | \amethyst | vlt: looks like the MD5 of its canonical URI (so file:///home/user/foo/bar.jpg for files) |
| 01:00.26 | orudie | how can I check the processor info ? |
| 01:00.54 | vlt | \amethyst: Thank you. |
| 01:00.55 | \amethyst | orudie: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 01:01.02 | qwd | orudie: what kind of info? |
| 01:01.12 | cybert | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:02.16 | rgr | doesn't seem to be. |
| 01:02.18 | qwd | cybert: I googled "base-config" and found the answer right away. |
| 01:02.40 | rgr | All questions here can be googled. |
| 01:02.46 | cybert | as you have the answer, you mind sharing it? |
| 01:03.18 | cybert | and no apt-get install base-config gives that no install candidate is there |
| 01:03.32 | rgr | doesn't seem to be so obvious from google :-( |
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| 01:03.38 | nsadmin | rgr: then there should be no reason to have the channel... |
| 01:03.55 | rgr | cybert: there is no base-config package in my squeeze repos. |
| 01:03.57 | qwd | http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/base-config/ second result from google |
| 01:04.51 | rgr | Out of curiostiy : Would you recommend this joey over this irc channel for most things? No mention of WHICH versions it refers to either, |
| 01:05.26 | cybert | damn, base-config was such an easy tool :( |
| 01:05.41 | qwd | rgr: he asked 3 times in 15 minutes, I found the answer in 5 seconds and I don't even know what base-config is. yes many things can be googles, and some things definitely should be. |
| 01:06.28 | cybert | base-config is a tool that gives you almost the same menu as at the install time, it was still in sarge |
| 01:07.05 | rgr | he left a large gap before the third. All things can be googled And many things make no sense in google since they are aimed at other levels of experience. Its why people ask humans here. Jesus. What has happened here. That link you gacve was next to useless. It made no mention of versions, I had no idea what d-i is. There is an old adage : if you want to help do. Otherwise don't. |
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| 01:07.47 | orudie | after making changes to hosts do I need to do anything ? |
| 01:07.48 | cybert | rgr d-i is debian-installer |
| 01:07.55 | orudie | i mean restart anything lol |
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| 01:08.14 | _SKiTZO | im installing a system using debootstrap |
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| 01:09.07 | _SKiTZO | and right now im a bit curiuos why installing the kernel includes such dependancies as python and libsqlite |
| 01:09.15 | _SKiTZO | am i missing something? |
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| 01:09.40 | _SKiTZO | hehlibsdl even! |
| 01:09.42 | _SKiTZO | this cant be right |
| 01:10.16 | orudie | changes to /etc/hosts that is |
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| 01:10.29 | cybert | but rgr your right, not everything is so easy to find, for example I was googling with base-config squeeze |
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| 01:12.56 | _SKiTZO | ah nevermind |
| 01:13.09 | _SKiTZO | turns out xen-utils was installed, and that triggered all those dependancies |
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| 01:15.35 | nsadmin | oh, the +r kept the idiots out |
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| 01:24.22 | warders | how can i find out if i have video for lunix on my debian system? or is it native for all |
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| 01:24.45 | centHOGG | !lunix |
| 01:24.45 | dpkg | methinks lunix is a unix clone for c64. It supports slip with telnet over serial You can connect multiple c64's together. You can get 7 of these into a Beowulf :). http://hld.c64.org/poldi/lunix/lunix.html |
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| 01:26.19 | _SKiTZO | lunix is clearly the ultimate OS(tm) |
| 01:26.29 | _SKiTZO | anything else is just a plain waste of time |
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| 01:27.31 | _SKiTZO | the only question in my mind is why do you have to stop at 7 C64 units in your C64 beowulf cluster.. the possibilities were so endless untill that seemingly needless limitation |
| 01:27.54 | qwd | maybe 7 is all you need |
| 01:28.01 | _SKiTZO | ah good answer |
| 01:28.25 | _SKiTZO | like a good budhist only needs 11 things |
| 01:29.00 | orudie | i need helping editting /etc/hosts , its very new to me because this box has multiple venets such as venet0:0, venet0:1, venet0:2, etc... |
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| 01:30.04 | _SKiTZO | i actually dont know how to help you. the only thing i know about hosts is that its an "el'cheapo" predecessor to DNS |
| 01:31.16 | karihre_ | orudie: venets? hosts is just a "dns" plaintext file to translate a hostname to an ip |
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| 01:35.19 | anao | hello@all can anyone tell me what is the best stream record codec at vlc by default without ffmpeg? |
| 01:35.21 | multi_io | is the harware detection that's run by the debian installer available in an installed system too? |
| 01:36.29 | markybob | multi_io, ...yes. it's hal/udev...not really a secret |
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| 01:36.53 | markybob | kernel autoload is nice, too. also not a secret |
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| 01:51.56 | frickenate | Based on reading the short http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Path-4.html , I'm wondering if there is some way to influence the PATH given to /etc/init.d scripts (apparently the PATH of the init process), without having to recompile init? |
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| 01:53.33 | frickenate | I have several 3rd party startup scripts that depend on calling programs that it expects to be in the PATH (it's assuming everything is in /usr/bin), when in fact these are in /usr/local/bin for me. Modifying the scripts themselves will make updating them to newer versions difficult, and I'd rather avoid having to create tons of /usr/bin symlinks to /usr/local/bin. |
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| 01:55.38 | xNinja | hello geeks |
| 01:55.51 | xNinja | i have a problem in my debian vps |
| 01:56.02 | xNinja | sendto in send_ip_packet: sendto(5, packet, 28, 0, xx,xx,xx,xx, 16) => Operation not permitted |
| 01:57.17 | xNinja | thats when i use nmap |
| 01:57.50 | xNinja | Offending packet: ICMP 127.0.0.1 > xx,xx,xx,xx echo request (type=8/code=0) ttl=51 id=20544 iplen=28 |
| 01:58.36 | xNinja | anyone alives !!? |
| 01:59.05 | orudie | so how would I change orudie@servername to orudie@differentname ? |
| 01:59.19 | karihre_ | orudie: hostname differentname |
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| 02:00.03 | orudie | but when i just type hostname it returns servername.domain.net |
| 02:00.28 | xNinja | yeah change it in /etc/hostname |
| 02:00.32 | orudie | and bash looks like this orudie@servername |
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| 02:00.57 | xNinja | type bash |
| 02:01.15 | orudie | xNinja, i did no output |
| 02:01.45 | \amethyst | xNinja: sounds like your VPS is blocking things that looks like attacks |
| 02:01.46 | xNinja | core:~# hostname hi |
| 02:01.47 | xNinja | core:~# bash |
| 02:01.47 | xNinja | hi:~# |
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| 02:01.59 | \amethyst | xNinja: they probably don't want you running nmap |
| 02:02.11 | xNinja | \amethyst so how to unblock that! |
| 02:02.20 | \amethyst | xNinja: ask the server admins |
| 02:02.27 | xNinja | \amethyst lol |
| 02:02.43 | xNinja | i should look for another vps |
| 02:02.54 | xNinja | they expect that |
| 02:03.14 | orudie | \amethyst, did you mean to say that to me ? |
| 02:04.15 | hellyeah | matlab sucks |
| 02:04.31 | xNinja | orudie did that works for u ? |
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| 02:10.31 | orudie | xNinja, should I do it even if its a vps ? |
| 02:11.07 | orudie | xNinja, its a VPS box, someone is telling me that I shouldn't do that because its a vps and the hostname is defined in openvz template |
| 02:11.13 | karihre_ | hellyeah: indeed it does |
| 02:11.23 | \amethyst | orudie: do you actually want to change the hostname, or just your prompt? |
| 02:11.32 | cads | you guys, should I come back to the debian fold? |
| 02:11.34 | orudie | \amethyst, just the prompt |
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| 02:11.43 | cads | I've been a stray lamb |
| 02:11.46 | \amethyst | orudie: PS1='\u@differentname\$ ' |
| 02:12.13 | cads | and have found frustration and intolerance everywhere else I grazed |
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| 02:12.16 | \amethyst | orudie: put that in your .bashrc and .profile (and type it in the command line to have it affect the current shell) |
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| 02:12.47 | cads | I miss the software repositories with stable software in them |
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| 02:13.11 | Nwallins|home | Hi, i getting KEYEXPIRED with apt-get update on testing -- haven't updated in about 6 months |
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| 02:14.01 | hellyeah | Å search the person who experience with matlab |
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| 02:14.10 | hellyeah | i search the person who experience with matlab |
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| 02:14.31 | ian_ | I want to know which wireless driver I'm using. I have cheap USB wireless. I ran lsmod and the mac80211 and cfg80211 modules are being used by zd1211rw. Does this identify zd1211 as the driver my wireless is using? |
| 02:14.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Nwallins|home: if you are using testing you should know how to fix it |
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| 02:15.16 | cads | hellyeah, I have basic knowledge, probably enough to help you find the right place in the help file or help you look over some code |
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| 02:15.29 | Nwallins|home | I tried aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring |
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| 02:16.41 | gusto | why do I recieve this DDCs? |
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| 02:16.55 | liable | because the internet is full of retards? |
| 02:17.04 | gusto | i got it on irssi and now someone is sending me some files again |
| 02:17.04 | centHOGG | spamm atttack |
| 02:17.07 | gusto | thats horrible |
| 02:17.34 | Nwallins|home | sorry, flakey internet cnx -- did i miss anything besides jpinx-eeepc's non-response? |
| 02:17.48 | jpinx-eeepc | gusto set your irssi to ignore them |
| 02:17.59 | gusto | that would be easy |
| 02:18.03 | gusto | i am now on pidgin |
| 02:18.13 | gusto | is there a way to do so on pidgin? |
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| 02:18.29 | jpinx-eeepc | gusto look at the help for pidgin |
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| 02:18.43 | gusto | jj |
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| 02:21.45 | Nwallins|home | jpinx-eeepc: FWIW, i have been running on testing for 3 or 4 years -- haven't hit KEYEXPIRED before |
| 02:21.55 | Chaos`Eternal | it should be some infected bot |
| 02:23.08 | simonrvn | gusto: /ignore #debian DCC DCCMSGS > irssi |
| 02:23.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Chaos`Eternal: it's been going the last 6 hours or more. |
| 02:23.44 | liable | simonrvn: ah, nifty :) |
| 02:24.33 | centHOGG | hello |
| 02:24.51 | liable | hah, i just looked in my server window, and i have been getting bombarded by the retards too |
| 02:25.23 | simonrvn | niko had set the chan +r earlier, but that can't last, not everyone's registered |
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| 02:25.38 | liable | oh, i saw don remove that |
| 02:25.39 | centHOGG | simonrvn: hi, how do you look at your ignore lists? |
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| 02:25.54 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.55 | simonrvn | /ig on irssi |
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| 02:26.40 | gusto | so |
| 02:26.50 | gusto | is there to send me some file transfer? |
| 02:27.07 | gusto | because I want to test if my new config is OK |
| 02:28.04 | nsadmin | gusto: start downloading kernel source from somewhere... or gcc source |
| 02:28.10 | centHOGG | simonrvn: rats I couldn't get it to work |
| 02:28.16 | gusto | no |
| 02:28.21 | gusto | i need DDC |
| 02:28.33 | gusto | i want to test if i am resistent against this spam |
| 02:28.37 | gusto | send me sth |
| 02:29.12 | simonrvn | just don't auto-accept dcc |
| 02:29.43 | gusto | yes, i have used a plugin now |
| 02:29.51 | gusto | that s named autoaccept |
| 02:29.57 | hellyeah | i need someone who knows matlab |
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| 02:30.08 | gusto | and that autoaccepts only from some and rejects from the others |
| 02:30.10 | Nwallins|home | FWIW, my system clock was set to 1904 -- updating the clock got rid of the KEYEXPIRED errors |
| 02:30.36 | gusto | because my problem was, that my client was asking about each the file transfer and that spammed my screen |
| 02:30.59 | gusto | where are this spammers now, when I need them? |
| 02:31.02 | kgoetz | Nwallins|home: using a powerpc mac? |
| 02:31.09 | Nwallins|home | kgoetz: nailed it |
| 02:31.20 | kgoetz | Nwallins|home: :) |
| 02:31.37 | Nwallins|home | ibook g4 |
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| 02:33.07 | kgoetz | Nwallins|home: flat cmos battery? Not sure what size the ibooks take :/ |
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| 02:33.28 | Nwallins|home | i haven't cranked this thing open yet |
| 02:33.44 | Nwallins|home | it's my roommate's -- he upgraded and this is the living room laptop |
| 02:34.08 | kgoetz | oh ok. |
| 02:34.11 | kgoetz | afk lunch. gl |
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| 02:48.23 | anthea | hello do you know what i have to add in my /etc/apt/source.list file for add the debian-multimedia repo? |
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| 02:49.27 | orudie | where is .bashrc located ? |
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| 02:49.38 | kgoetz | orudie: in $HOME |
| 02:49.43 | imganquan | orudie: in your home directory |
| 02:49.43 | kgoetz | anthea: it says on thier website |
| 02:49.45 | anthea | orudie, in hiden in home |
| 02:49.47 | jmarsden | orudie: In each user's home directory ~/.bahrc |
| 02:50.14 | imganquan | hi all. Is there any software can lock screen in tty? |
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| 02:50.54 | anthea | kgoetz, sure thanks it was at the bottom |
| 02:51.42 | simonrvn | vlock |
| 02:51.47 | simonrvn | imganquan: |
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| 02:52.08 | kgoetz | screen, if your running in it |
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| 02:52.50 | imganquan | kgoetz: OK. I running irssi in screen now . how can I lock screen? |
| 02:53.26 | kgoetz | imganquan: ^a x |
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| 02:54.03 | imganquan | kgoetz: Thanks. but before I try this operation, please tell me how to unlock. thanks :) |
| 02:55.03 | kgoetz | imganquan: you enter your users password |
| 02:55.39 | imganquan | kgoetz: OK. Thank you very much. I'll try it now. |
| 02:56.08 | kgoetz | np, gl |
| 02:56.13 | imganquan | Wow!!!. Great, it works perfectly! Thank you kgoetz |
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| 02:56.41 | kgoetz | :) |
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| 03:01.50 | gusto | imganquan: there is no reason why it shouldnt work |
| 03:02.05 | gusto | imganquan: :-) |
| 03:02.12 | imganquan | gusto: :) |
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| 03:03.17 | simonrvn | you don't need a period after "!", it's already punctuation. |
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| 03:04.03 | gusto | mr washington is here |
| 03:04.09 | gusto | :-D |
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| 03:16.38 | anthea | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mplayer mozilla-mplayer is not avaible on testing why? |
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| 03:16.59 | kc8pxy | i am trying to get my bcm4318 card to switch to master mode, and i get the following error. any ideas what I'm not doing right? |
| 03:17.02 | anthea | it s avaible on stable, on unstable but not on testing |
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| 03:17.02 | sleeligot | ARRAY(0x9423430) |
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| 03:17.05 | anthea | how can i install it on testing plza |
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| 03:17.15 | kc8pxy | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 03:17.18 | liable | !why is mozilla-mplayer not in testing? |
| 03:17.18 | dpkg | mozilla-mplayer is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mozilla-mplayer |
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| 03:17.33 | liable | anthea: ^^ |
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| 03:21.01 | simonrvn | um |
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| 03:21.01 | craigevil | anthea: its called gecko-mediaplayer in testing/sid |
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| 03:21.01 | simonrvn | wtf was that? |
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| 03:21.01 | Gutman | ARRAY(0x9423720) |
| 03:21.17 | simonrvn | oh, split |
| 03:21.17 | liable | meh, what is it with these flood tards? |
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| 03:21.26 | Dominian | ls |
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| 03:21.27 | simonrvn | liable: they've managed to make the net split |
| 03:21.32 | blizzow | maybe it's time to go a managed room until this is over. |
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| 03:21.44 | simonrvn | grabs his board |
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| 03:21.44 | simonrvn | room? |
| 03:21.44 | anthea | hummm? |
| 03:21.44 | simonrvn | !room |
| 03:21.44 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 03:21.44 | Xenguy | Are those retards dcc'ing from this channel? |
| 03:21.44 | imganquan | ! |
| 03:21.44 | orudie | i'm trying to change the way my bash prompt looks by editting .bashrc in /home/username/.bashrc by adding line that looks something like this export PS1="\e[0;31m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m" and nothing changes :( |
| 03:21.44 | imganquan | !dpkg |
| 03:21.44 | dpkg | well, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 03:21.45 | simonrvn | Xenguy: from? no, to, yes |
| 03:21.45 | Xenguy | simonrvn: K, right |
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| 03:21.45 | simonrvn | Xenguy: they're dccing to #debian, so everyone gets it, including debhelper ;) |
| 03:21.52 | Shazzamy | also a lot in #ubuntu |
| 03:22.04 | Shazzamy | and lots of netsplit in #ubuntu |
| 03:22.07 | simonrvn | they're doing all the large chans |
| 03:22.08 | Shazzamy | nvm |
| 03:22.13 | Shazzamy | here to, haha |
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| 03:22.16 | imganquan | kick these guys. they make my irssi rings so long |
| 03:22.19 | simonrvn | "too" |
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| 03:22.31 | Shazzamy | too* |
| 03:22.38 | craigevil | easy enough to ignore at least it is using irssi, /ignore #debian DCC DCCMSGS |
| 03:22.44 | Xenguy | I just don't understand why these idiots do it in the first place, and to this extent - it's just retarded (what can I say) |
| 03:22.51 | Shazzamy | exactly |
| 03:22.54 | Xenguy | craigevil: hrm, nice tip |
| 03:23.07 | simonrvn | power over others, or so they think |
| 03:23.08 | imganquan | craigevil: Thanks. |
| 03:24.05 | orudie | i'm trying to change the way my bash prompt looks by editting .bashrc in /home/username/.bashrc by adding line that looks something like this export PS1="\e[0;31m[\u@\h \W]\$ \e[m" and nothing changes :( |
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| 03:25.00 | mmlj4 | dod you log out and back in? |
| 03:25.08 | mmlj4 | s/dod/did/ |
| 03:25.14 | nsadmin | orudie try running that line in your bash prompt |
| 03:25.17 | imganquan | orudie: After you modified your .bashrc file . you should logout to make it works. If you do not want to logout, You can type source ~/.bashrc |
| 03:25.45 | nsadmin | .bashrc isn't sourced by login shell |
| 03:25.57 | nsadmin | just so's ya know :) |
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| 03:27.07 | simonrvn | another one to k:line |
| 03:27.12 | simonrvn | babggygfsdrt |
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| 03:27.35 | simonrvn | FN staff: btw, debhelper is kicking them |
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| 03:27.40 | nsadmin | -:- BitchX: Auto-ignoring nikolai for 10 minutes [CTCP flood] |
| 03:27.54 | Dominian | All, please see http://blog.freenode.net/2009/11/dcc-spam-and-how-to-handle-it/ |
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| 03:28.42 | simonrvn | Dominian: thanks |
| 03:28.49 | simonrvn | suggestion, add to /topic |
| 03:29.25 | simonrvn | (which will get done, like tomorrow...) |
| 03:29.31 | Dominian | isn't a named OP in #debian sorry |
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| 03:30.15 | liable | never any around this time 'o day |
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| 03:30.31 | simonrvn | i know |
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| 03:31.30 | nsadmin | is freenode staff also looking into reporting the hosts so that, say they're hijacked proxies, their isp sends the true owner mail that says how to disable the proxy |
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| 03:32.42 | nsadmin | so that the attackers lose the proxies hopefully faster than they can find more |
| 03:32.54 | simonrvn | that would freaking help |
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| 03:33.31 | simonrvn | default install fof squid being wide open for instance, on some oses... |
| 03:33.38 | nsadmin | at least it would slow them down |
| 03:33.46 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 03:35.01 | nsadmin | a faster way would be to request the isp to disable their customer's connection and notify them to take the proxy offline |
| 03:35.18 | nsadmin | doing both could help |
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| 03:36.39 | rgr | no to "logout" out of a shell : quit the shell or just start a new one. |
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| 03:40.25 | nsadmin | or just try running that line, export PS1=... (whatever it is) |
| 03:40.30 | cheako | is there any trt implementation for Debian? ptrtd was pkged in 2005, did anything happen with this? |
| 03:40.56 | nsadmin | what's trt |
| 03:41.13 | cheako | http://ipv6.bzzt.net/step1.html |
| 03:41.33 | nsadmin | judd versions ptrtd |
| 03:41.33 | judd | nsadmin: ptrtd -- |
| 03:41.39 | cheako | RFC 3142 |
| 03:41.56 | nsadmin | hmm. not under that name |
| 03:42.08 | cheako | http://osdir.com/ml/linux.debian.devel.ipv6/2005-09/msg00026.html |
| 03:42.15 | cheako | deb http://sprite.fr.eu.org/debian/ unreleased/ |
| 03:42.58 | nsadmin | that could be a separate repo which is not an actual debian mirror |
| 03:43.01 | cheako | I see that this might be a one up on the traditional 192.168.x.x NAT |
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| 03:44.28 | laurus | This may be a silly question, but does GNOME work with 2048x1152 resolution? |
| 03:44.43 | cheako | The idea is as old as 2002, but client applications didn't all(or even mostly) support v6 addresses. Now that we are closer to having all the important clients, it is time to start toying with deploying this. |
| 03:44.46 | nsadmin | resolution and gnome are indep |
| 03:45.05 | laurus | nsadmin, I guess I meant X-Windows then? |
| 03:45.37 | nsadmin | laurus: if the video card has the ram, I suppose so :) |
| 03:45.46 | cheako | Same answer, you can use any resolution you monitor and videocard support, try using 2048x1153 if you like. |
| 03:45.53 | laurus | cheako, heh |
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| 03:46.10 | cheako | laurus: It does work. |
| 03:46.55 | laurus | Thanks a lot, both of you. I'm about to buy a new monitor and just wanted to make sure things would work since that's a slightly non-standard res. |
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| 03:48.05 | Xuzz | Has anyone in this channel ever worked on Aptitude or otherwise used libapt-pkg? |
| 03:48.14 | laurus | Take care :) |
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| 03:49.01 | nsadmin | hey! freenode-connect wants my virgin! |
| 03:50.27 | markybob | i dont understand the obsession with virgins. i'll take an experience whore any day |
| 03:50.27 | tensorpudding | virgin? |
| 03:51.02 | tensorpudding | equal parts patriarchy and evolutionary detritus possibly |
| 03:51.43 | nsadmin | or physics: as one country song goes... the tighter the saddle, the better the ride... |
| 03:52.51 | tensorpudding | too tight is no good |
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| 03:54.13 | jaggz- | how do I view the fonts in my system, especially ttf? |
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| 03:54.34 | jaggz- | the idea being to eventually find a .ttf file I like :) |
| 03:54.54 | jaggz- | (ie. the traditional X-x-x-x-x-x thing .. I could only partially appreciate its value) |
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| 03:56.09 | simonrvn | !search |
| 03:56.10 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 03:56.46 | jaggz- | I havebeen |
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| 03:58.24 | simonrvn | so how come i can find something in under a minute? |
| 03:59.44 | jaggz- | xfontsel is all I can find .. |
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| 04:00.33 | jaggz- | probably because you came up with a better search than I did |
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| 04:01.38 | jaggz- | not uncommon.. but I'm not lying about looking a lot.. just did web search for '"font viewer" debian' and found gnome's |
| 04:01.52 | jaggz- | oh, that's for one file at a time.. grr |
| 04:02.31 | jaggz- | could use charmap too.. but I don't know how to display the original font file |
| 04:03.04 | simonrvn | ttf font |
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| 04:04.30 | jaggz- | guess I could use locate -ir '\.ttf$' | xargs --max-args=1 kfontview but it's very slow :) |
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| 04:04.58 | simonrvn | sorry 'bout that, it's not even showing what i have installed for that... |
| 04:06.10 | jaggz- | np .. still looking :) |
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| 04:07.26 | jaggz- | trying some managers.. installing fontypython and dfontmgr . |
| 04:08.14 | simonrvn | used to have a gfontview or such.. worked nicely to view them |
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| 04:08.34 | simonrvn | /usr/bin/gnome-font-viewer works but it asks for a font file |
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| 04:10.19 | uzer | hello all, I am looking for a program to check pop mail and send an email based on who sends a mail |
| 04:10.45 | uzer | fetchmail perhaps? |
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| 04:16.07 | Xuzz | Anyone here know libapt-pkg or has worked on aptitude? |
| 04:16.53 | MAd_haTTer | aptitude > yum |
| 04:17.10 | MAd_haTTer | perhaps it is just because i hate red hat ;) |
| 04:18.54 | MAd_haTTer | wtf is with all the dccs... |
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| 04:19.22 | MAd_haTTer | like i am going to open a connection to someone from the internet.. |
| 04:19.34 | MAd_haTTer | no offence of course but wtf... |
| 04:21.16 | pickcoder | MAd_haTTer: it's an exploit attempt |
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| 04:21.40 | pickcoder | who's the sender? |
| 04:21.45 | jaggz- | looks like the control panel has a working font viewer, but I haven't found how to see the file itself |
| 04:22.13 | MAd_haTTer | who isnot the sender |
| 04:22.27 | MAd_haTTer | the question is wqho is the moron that accepts ;) |
| 04:22.58 | MAd_haTTer | really tho there is like 20.. |
| 04:24.07 | MAd_haTTer | i'd get kicked for flooding.. you want a pm of the list? |
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| 04:24.51 | simonrvn | no |
| 04:25.00 | simonrvn | MAd_haTTer: /mode yournick +C |
| 04:25.34 | MAd_haTTer | does not run command told by strangers ;) |
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| 04:26.10 | cheako | MAd_haTTer: pastie.org |
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| 04:29.36 | cheako | I keep thinking the main thing stopping the deployment of IPv6 is the ISPs... They all sell addresses if they deploy v6 then that revenue stream dissipates. |
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| 04:30.06 | pickcoder | cheako: the adoption rate has been going up some |
| 04:30.13 | pickcoder | just a matter of time |
| 04:30.50 | MAd_haTTer | look at this.. |
| 04:30.52 | MAd_haTTer | wc -l shit |
| 04:30.52 | MAd_haTTer | 456 shit |
| 04:31.00 | MAd_haTTer | bitches.. |
| 04:31.29 | MAd_haTTer | http://www.pastebin.org/56932 |
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| 04:31.51 | Dominicus | Does anyone know of a package and/or set of cli commands that will let me extract the file date from my jpg photos, and then set the creation and modification times to that value? |
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| 04:32.01 | cheako | I still don't see that. Where can I see the number of websites that are v6? There are a lot of hobbyists playing with it likely, but I don't see any corporation deploying v6 in there offices. |
| 04:32.19 | MAd_haTTer | Dominicus: try strings |
| 04:32.36 | cheako | There was an internet statistic portal some where, like the number of hosts running apache VS iis, ect. |
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| 04:33.03 | MAd_haTTer | Dominicus: try strings - IF IT IS EMBEDDED IN THE FIRE IT WILL WORK |
| 04:33.07 | Talaskina | is away: Gone away for now |
| 04:33.07 | MAd_haTTer | sry |
| 04:33.08 | simonrvn | netcraft? |
| 04:33.12 | MAd_haTTer | yes! |
| 04:33.17 | MAd_haTTer | that was my sugestion |
| 04:33.19 | simonrvn | !tell Talaskina -about away |
| 04:33.21 | kc8pxy | i am having issues with trying to get my bcm4318 switch to master mode. trying to set it fails. the command is 'iwconfig wlan0 mode Master' and the error is to follow.. any ideas what I'm not doing right? |
| 04:33.22 | MAd_haTTer | no idea if it will.. |
| 04:33.33 | kc8pxy | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
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| 04:33.55 | MAd_haTTer | no capital m |
| 04:34.04 | MAd_haTTer | mode monitor |
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| 04:34.08 | MAd_haTTer | mode managed |
| 04:34.19 | MAd_haTTer | kc8pxy: ^ |
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| 04:34.41 | cheako | kc8pxy: I'm getting the same error, I'm just ignoring it. |
| 04:34.57 | MAd_haTTer | just use lower case |
| 04:35.16 | MAd_haTTer | was sniffing some crap last night thank you kismet |
| 04:35.56 | MAd_haTTer | trying to catch the cop in the parking lot serfing pr0n ;) |
| 04:36.07 | MAd_haTTer | surfing* |
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| 04:36.53 | MAd_haTTer | 10-4 kc8pxy ? |
| 04:36.57 | MAd_haTTer | correct? |
| 04:37.00 | kc8pxy | MAd_haTTer: why monitor? |
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| 04:37.05 | MAd_haTTer | my laptop is upstars.. |
| 04:37.11 | MAd_haTTer | just a command |
| 04:37.15 | MAd_haTTer | use managed |
| 04:37.22 | MAd_haTTer | point is no capital M |
| 04:37.32 | kc8pxy | MAd_haTTer: I'm trying to configure my card as a WAP. |
| 04:37.42 | MAd_haTTer | still no capitals.. |
| 04:38.17 | kc8pxy | kk.. still no dice, monitor says it's busy. |
| 04:39.05 | MAd_haTTer | sudo ifconfig wlan0 down |
| 04:39.15 | MAd_haTTer | iwconfig wlan0 mode managed |
| 04:39.22 | MAd_haTTer | ifconfig wlan0 up |
| 04:39.37 | MAd_haTTer | puts the spoon away |
| 04:40.01 | cheako | MAd_haTTer: Perhaps iw should be used, that API has been replaced. The iw pkg is in unstable. |
| 04:40.09 | MAd_haTTer | opps |
| 04:40.29 | MAd_haTTer | yes i ment iwconfig wlan0 mode managed |
| 04:40.38 | MAd_haTTer | ifconfig up/down |
| 04:40.51 | MAd_haTTer | good catch cheako |
| 04:41.09 | MAd_haTTer | must be the rum-a-dum-dum |
| 04:41.42 | cheako | ...Three fingers and a thumb? |
| 04:41.44 | MAd_haTTer | 2 pointer, (left out the "b" on purpose, and for emphsys ;) |
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| 04:41.55 | MAd_haTTer | i don't get that one.. |
| 04:42.14 | MAd_haTTer | you mean... ..|.. ? |
| 04:42.31 | cheako | It... was funny. |
| 04:42.46 | MAd_haTTer | oh im laughing... really |
| 04:42.51 | cheako | Like something Momer Simpson would say. |
| 04:42.51 | MAd_haTTer | later all |
| 04:42.57 | cheako | Like something Homer Simpson would say. |
| 04:43.06 | MAd_haTTer | yeah i caught that |
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| 04:43.18 | bobo_b | hi |
| 04:43.26 | MAd_haTTer | can raed thourgh typ0s |
| 04:43.51 | MAd_haTTer | does not take offence to them either ;) |
| 04:43.55 | bobo_b | i just updated my etch system and the update has been hanging at "saslauthd[22203] :have_baby" for 2 hours now... anyone any idea? |
| 04:43.59 | MAd_haTTer | take care.. |
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| 04:44.07 | kc8pxy | no dice yet.. still says it can't go master. |
| 04:44.20 | MAd_haTTer | kc8pxy: that IS dice |
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| 04:44.35 | MAd_haTTer | before you had a different error.. command was understood.. |
| 04:44.51 | MAd_haTTer | bobo_b: try pressing CRTL + C |
| 04:44.58 | cheako | kc8pxy: try the iw pkg, you might also have to update aircrack-ng if you have it installed. |
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| 04:45.57 | cheako | Bilja Krstic? |
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| 04:48.15 | kc8pxy | cheako: why have you and MAd_haTTer assumed i'm trying to get aircrack working? I'm trying to setup an my lenny box as an AP. |
| 04:48.40 | bobo_b | MAd_haTTer: i did, the next apt-get upgrade gave me "dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.", that gives the same sasl prblem though |
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| 04:49.29 | cheako | kc8pxy: You may just simply NEED to use "iw", to do that you need to remove your current aircrack... that's all it's an indirect assertion. |
| 04:49.39 | JRWR | I have a odd one, I have a mass of user folders, and i wish to pull certien folders from there user folders, and all their stuff gets overlayed to a root folder, so as a example, /home/bob/work, memos, other, <then> /home/jen/work, memos, other, | then put those 3 folders into /storage/work, memos, other, (the commas are sperate folders), how would i do this |
| 04:50.23 | kc8pxy | cheako: why do you keep refereing to aircrack?!?! i'm not using it. I'm setting up my lenny box to act like a linksys wifi router. |
| 04:51.00 | cheako | JRWR: See BASH scripting. |
| 04:51.52 | cheako | kc8pxy: Your wanting to find the speed of a falling object, tink of air crack as being 9.8m/s/s. You just NEED that inorder to do what you are doing. |
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| 04:53.03 | cheako | kc8pxy: I understand that the object and it's speed have nothing to do with 9.8m/s/s, but what I'm trying to say is that unbeknown to you... the object IS falling. |
| 04:53.24 | kc8pxy | cheako: then i was doing the impossible before. on another distro, i could simply place my card in master mode, and used it as a wap. why is it so hard now? |
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| 04:54.10 | cheako | kc8pxy: Kernel API has changed, the iwconfig command is like the ipchains command... it's been replaced. |
| 04:55.01 | cheako | kc8pxy: If you were to upgrade the other distro to the same versions of the software you are now... then it would also not work as it is now. |
| 04:55.18 | kc8pxy | cheako: since lenny released? i'd heard mention of iw from aircrack a while back. |
| 04:55.29 | cheako | Sooo.... install iw already! |
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| 04:56.15 | cheako | kc8pxy: Yes, iw was shipped with aircrack. Since then it has been updated and you will need a newer iw. |
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| 04:56.27 | kc8pxy | cheako: not in the repo, it seems.. which source do i need? |
| 04:56.51 | cheako | kc8pxy: packages.debian.org |
| 04:57.37 | kc8pxy | cheako: please explain why/how aircrack has hanything to do with configuring a wap for use. i understand it's use to open "closed" wap's. |
| 04:57.38 | cheako | kc8pxy: Since iw is shipped with aircrack you need to not have the old iw(part of the aircrack pkg) installed. |
| 04:59.33 | cheako | kc8pxy: Aircrack was most likely written by the same ppl who write iw and other wireless software. I'd say a good portion of Linux is written by ppl who may offend any one not interested in learning. |
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| 05:00.18 | cheako | As aircrack is a learning tool, it's use is most likely required to properly configure an AP. |
| 05:00.50 | kc8pxy | cheako: it is not. and why iw is REQUI |
| 05:01.31 | kc8pxy | REQUIRED, for configuring an AP, which is totally seperate from cracking into one, why it is not packaged seperately, baffles me. |
| 05:02.28 | kc8pxy | cheako: if iw was only useful for aircrack, i could understand it being bundled. |
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| 05:03.29 | cheako | kc8pxy: iw is supported, iwconfig is no longer supported. If iwconfig does not work, then iw is required. If you plan on using WPA then I strongly suggest you use aircrack to test it's security, there is no way to properly use WEP. |
| 05:03.47 | cheako | kc8pxy: ( iw > iwconfig ) |
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| 05:04.01 | cheako | kc8pxy: ( iw > iwconfig ) if != |
| 05:04.06 | kermit | why test with aircrack instead of just set it up right? |
| 05:04.28 | kc8pxy | and it is not packaged as a base util or a seperate package, since it IS so very much the new standard, WHY?!? |
| 05:04.28 | kermit | cheako: iw >= iwconfig ? |
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| 05:04.57 | cheako | kermit: The path of learning how to set it up right, does this not include aircrack? |
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| 05:05.23 | cheako | kermit: Mind grouping... |
| 05:05.38 | nsadmin | at some point there's not going to be "base" |
| 05:05.41 | kermit | cheako: i'd think it'd involve following some instructions, not running aircrack |
| 05:05.52 | cheako | kermit: iw is greater then iwconfig if not equal to. |
| 05:06.09 | kermit | cheako: whats what the >= symbol means |
| 05:06.11 | nsadmin | I'm not sure how (or why) they're going to do that... |
| 05:06.18 | kc8pxy | cheako: your assumption, after my having stated that i have configured one correctly, that i NEED aircrack to configure an AP, is evidence that you either don't care what i say, or believe me to be an idiot. |
| 05:06.40 | cheako | kermit: Then any one who follows those instructions would eventually be able to use your network? |
| 05:07.11 | cheako | kc8pxy: I said you didn't want to learn, not that your an idiot. |
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| 05:08.30 | cheako | kc8pxy: I think any one who sets up an AP using anything other then no encryption is lying to them selfs. |
| 05:09.58 | cheako | I think that any non-wiered connection is less anonymous then an internet IP. I'm most likely correct here, even if your data is secured any one looking at it likely already knows who an where you are. |
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| 05:10.53 | cheako | Since it's common practice and a smart move to use firewall devices to protect IPs on the internet, the same should be said of APs. |
| 05:11.42 | cheako | Thus every device that's a part of your wireless network is more insecure than a machine openly placed on the internet. |
| 05:11.57 | kc8pxy | i agree. |
| 05:12.08 | cheako | So there should be a firewall device protecting all of these devices. |
| 05:12.31 | kc8pxy | anyone can wardrive you with greater smpliity and greater anonymity than port scanning you. |
| 05:12.39 | cheako | If you have this, then there is no reason for aircrack, as the network would be more open then the internet. |
| 05:13.13 | cheako | You'd likely use VPNs to keep your data private. |
| 05:13.21 | kc8pxy | yes, i do. |
| 05:13.47 | kc8pxy | the onnnly thin kof this config i don't know is why my wifi card will not go into master mode. |
| 05:14.06 | hoo-hah | wow. past hour or so I've gotten heaps of dcc exploit attempts |
| 05:14.17 | cheako | kc8pxy: Have you installed iw yet? |
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| 05:16.05 | kc8pxy | cheako: trying.. why the $@$@ is it not in a standard, just-installed it, source line? |
| 05:16.10 | nsadmin | hoo-hah consider yourself lucky... been going on for about 7 |
| 05:16.24 | cheako | kc8pxy: It's new. |
| 05:16.50 | cheako | kc8pxy: I set it up and installed it just yesterday for the first time took 10min. |
| 05:16.51 | hoo-hah | nsadmin: should I lock down my irssi settings somehow to prevent that? |
| 05:17.02 | cheako | I used wget twice and dpkg like 3 times. |
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| 05:17.23 | nsadmin | kc8pxy perhaps bugs.debian.org has an answer to that, or maybe not |
| 05:18.06 | nsadmin | hoo-hah at least make sure your client doesn't autoaccept those dccs |
| 05:18.24 | cads | is there something i can install to get regular backups of restore points for my system's configuration, with the option of reverting to known stable configuration in the case of trouble? |
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| 05:19.07 | nsadmin | cads: people have been known to put their /etc under somethign like git |
| 05:19.12 | kgoetz | dont all backups intrinsicly give the option to revert to a point in time? |
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| 05:19.30 | kgoetz | cads: for /etc/ try 'etckeeper', or are you thinking for the whole system? |
| 05:19.40 | Xuzz | Anyone here ever used libapt-pkg? |
| 05:19.43 | nsadmin | well if you only backup once then there's only one time point available |
| 05:20.00 | cads | well for example in windows it might be built into the bootloader - system dies with inconsistent state, it reboots and gives you the option of reverting |
| 05:20.14 | cads | I think os 10 has time machine |
| 05:20.23 | Xuzz | 10.5+ |
| 05:20.35 | rgr | cads you might consider rsnapshot. |
| 05:20.59 | cads | cool |
| 05:21.08 | cheako | cads: It's called initrd and your using it. |
| 05:21.38 | cheako | cads: You might want to put busybox into it. |
| 05:21.44 | danila | help |
| 05:22.14 | kc8pxy | cheako: packages.debian.org main ? |
| 05:22.23 | cads | hehe, the old abrupt drop to an austere terminal :) |
| 05:22.50 | cads | can i give it tab completion and colors? |
| 05:23.07 | cheako | kc8pxy: Type in iw select any hit search. |
| 05:23.16 | cads | but seriously, I am wondering if any of the enterprise linuxes do something about this standard |
| 05:23.32 | cads | in ubuntu there doesn't seem to be anything |
| 05:23.37 | kgoetz | 'enterprise linuxes' tend to not fuck your box to start with :p |
| 05:23.39 | cheako | cads: Check google crome os. |
| 05:24.30 | rgr | kgoetz: yeah right :) |
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| 05:25.05 | kgoetz | rgr: hehe |
| 05:25.17 | cheako | cads: This feature you are needing might not work when you need it, so that's why we don't have one is that things either work 90% or are 110% busted. We don't think there is any gray area there. |
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| 05:26.09 | cads | cheako, the google os is intriguing |
| 05:26.10 | rgr | cads: I use ranspshot to back upmy entire machine every 8 hours and my mailserver configs over ssh too. incremental back up. cron'ed. excellent. |
| 05:26.27 | rgr | s/ranspshot/rsnapshot |
| 05:26.54 | rgr | google os is more doomed than vista ever was. |
| 05:27.41 | cads | is it not just a linux kernel? |
| 05:27.49 | cheako | cads: The most important system configs are copied when you run update-initramfs. |
| 05:28.24 | rgr | cheako: I dont think he means the kernel config script ... |
| 05:28.51 | cheako | rgr: Like fstab and lvm/mdadm stuff. |
| 05:28.56 | rgr | cads: the chrome os is linux based yes. But its a cloud computing "paradigm shift" (haha). And people dont and wont trust it. |
| 05:29.22 | nsadmin | google... os? |
| 05:29.35 | cheako | nsadmin: Yes, they run apt. |
| 05:29.48 | cads | people will and do take it up the ass, I think google already knows its hand is pretty good |
| 05:29.52 | nsadmin | but not debian based? |
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| 05:30.33 | cheako | nsadmin: Who knows, there are builds floating around of there source release. |
| 05:30.46 | cads | I know I want a droid and wave is neat, and there are 5 other ways at least that i suckle on their teat, though I hate them |
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| 05:31.05 | cheako | I was unable to find one that didn't require me to login to download it. |
| 05:31.17 | rgr | cads we shall see. I dont think so. It's pretty useless for other stuff from what I can see. communication is one part of a "laptop" (and lets call it that), How is it as a video console or a games machine for example? |
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| 05:31.36 | rgr | whats a droid?? |
| 05:31.51 | cads | a mobile device running android |
| 05:32.11 | cads | which is also linux based... an open operating system for smartphones |
| 05:32.13 | rgr | android is not chrome though or? |
| 05:32.21 | cads | which is actually much more successful |
| 05:32.33 | rgr | which MIGHT be succesful. |
| 05:32.42 | cads | yeah, separate |
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| 05:33.37 | greenmang0 | just installed Debian Testing with KDE ---- then installed localepurge to remove unwanted locales... and it freed up 100MB disk space... |
| 05:33.39 | cheako | Sweet, now computer science can lay claim to our own paradigm. |
| 05:33.54 | cads | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=microsoft+vs.+google |
| 05:33.55 | greenmang0 | isn't it possible to provide localepurge at the installation time ?? |
| 05:34.07 | cheako | Kuhn is likely not vary happy about that. |
| 05:34.56 | cads | it's about that battle whether we will be using windows or google os.... though by 'we' I probably don't mean anyone in this channel |
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| 05:35.49 | cheako | greenmang0: I hate this argument, but it's been used b4. 100m is a lot, but next to KDE(and every thing you must have installed) it's vary small. If your likely that constrained then locals is not all you will be deleting. |
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| 05:36.41 | cheako | You likely would not install KDE if you knew that afterwards you would have less then 100m free, right? |
| 05:37.07 | kc8pxy | cheako: where the hack is a decent howto on iw? it's not workign intuitively, and there is no man page listed. |
| 05:37.23 | cheako | kc8pxy: I hated that also. |
| 05:38.04 | cheako | iw phy phy0 add wlannew2 type master |
| 05:38.32 | cheako | iw dev wlan0 del |
| 05:38.44 | Xuzz | Anyone here used libapt-pkg? |
| 05:38.54 | kc8pxy | No such object type add |
| 05:39.09 | kgoetz | !tell Xuzz about anyone |
| 05:39.17 | cheako | oppss, "interface add"... |
| 05:39.30 | Xuzz | Does anyone know how to clear the marks on all packages using libapt-pkg? |
| 05:39.35 | Xuzz | Better, kgoetz ? |
| 05:39.58 | kc8pxy | invalid interface type master |
| 05:40.14 | kgoetz | Xuzz: yes |
| 05:40.26 | Xuzz | Or, even better: |
| 05:40.37 | greenmang0 | cheako: but if debian provides a dialogue to choose locale at installation time.. it will reduce installation time as well... |
| 05:40.37 | Xuzz | How would I clear the marks on all packages using libapt-pkg? |
| 05:41.01 | cheako | managed, wow I do hate not having docs. |
| 05:41.06 | kgoetz | greenmang0: it exists, on expert install |
| 05:41.24 | cheako | iw list; # is useful. |
| 05:41.50 | greenmang0 | kgoetz: oh... i am not an expert.. so never tried that option.. :) |
| 05:42.00 | greenmang0 | kgoetz: thank for the info |
| 05:42.04 | kgoetz | greenmang0: np |
| 05:42.38 | cheako | I was unable to use type 'AP', but I do know that it's likely not something you can just do with out userspace support applications. |
| 05:42.55 | kc8pxy | cheako: no managed mode either. |
| 05:43.33 | cheako | kc8pxy: What does "iw list" say your modes are, should be the last part. |
| 05:43.49 | kc8pxy | blank prompt. |
| 05:43.59 | cheako | iw list returns nothing? |
| 05:44.08 | kc8pxy | affirmative. |
| 05:44.11 | nsadmin | ifconfig wlan0 |
| 05:44.18 | nsadmin | gives paragraph? |
| 05:44.46 | cheako | lsmod | grep cfg80211 |
| 05:45.36 | kc8pxy | both are there. |
| 05:45.46 | kc8pxy | both cfg80211 and wlan0 are there. |
| 05:46.03 | liable | wlan0 module? |
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| 05:46.18 | kc8pxy | wlan0 in ifconfig wlan0 |
| 05:46.26 | liable | right |
| 05:46.26 | cheako | kc8pxy: dmsg? Look for missing firmware? Something is not bound for reason X. |
| 05:47.13 | kc8pxy | cheako: i just grabed the firmware with b43-fwcutter and rebooted for completeness of reload. messages confirms load of firmware |
| 05:47.40 | liable | does b43 even support master mode yet? |
| 05:48.44 | kc8pxy | liable: i have googled for this and found othes with my card getting to master mode, and having other issues. |
| 05:49.23 | slacker_nl | is puzzled |
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| 05:50.23 | slacker_nl | somehow my machine becomes more sluggish when I'm at work |
| 05:50.48 | kc8pxy | someone SNMP into yoru box?? :) |
| 05:50.51 | liable | kc8pxy: yeah, it looks like ap mode is supported |
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| 05:52.45 | kermit | how do i tell what package a certain file is from? |
| 05:52.48 | cheako | Try unloading/reloading the modules b43/mac80211/cfg80211 and reloading them. |
| 05:53.04 | cheako | kermit: dpkg -S |
| 05:53.06 | liable | kc8pxy: dpkg -S |
| 05:53.16 | liable | erm, stupid nicktab |
| 05:53.18 | cheako | lol |
| 05:53.28 | kc8pxy | hehe |
| 05:53.36 | kermit | cheako: ty |
| 05:53.42 | kc8pxy | i was about to say, equery b :) |
| 05:54.01 | liable | !gentoosmite kc8pxy |
| 05:54.01 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling kc8pxy, and when it's all done, kc8pxy runs 3% slower than previously |
| 05:54.02 | kc8pxy | hides :) |
| 05:54.03 | slacker_nl | kc8pxy: no |
| 05:54.41 | slacker_nl | kc8pxy: when I boot with an UTP cable inserted it is slow, when I boot and after boot plug in the utp everything is normal.. |
| 05:55.15 | kc8pxy | slacker_nl: even if you do that at work? |
| 05:55.24 | slacker_nl | kc8pxy: that is only at work |
| 05:55.39 | cheako | slacker_nl: Asynchronous startup should help with some of that. |
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| 05:55.50 | kc8pxy | netowrking is slow, or total system performance is slow? |
| 05:56.25 | slacker_nl | kc8pxy: "total" system performance, I notice it mostly in KDE, half of the stuff isn't running like it is supposed to, reacts slow |
| 05:56.30 | hoo-hah | re: firmware for wireless nics, I've one that uses rt61pci (lspci -n fed to that .jp HCL page) I found the firmware package for it, and installed it (available to Squeeze.) Beyond that, what else am I to do to ensure that the firmware is loaded, or is that done automatically? |
| 05:56.44 | hoo-hah | I've configured wpa_supplicant appropriately |
| 05:56.45 | slacker_nl | networking itself has no issues |
| 05:56.48 | cheako | kc8pxy: There are lots of things to do if networking is available. If all the networking calls return with 'no route' then things are faster. |
| 05:56.49 | kc8pxy | liable: YMMV, but i've always liked the speed, and it's not slower on teh systems i've used. |
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| 05:57.41 | kc8pxy | cheako: more insight? |
| 05:57.55 | cheako | kc8pxy: I do wonder if the savings ever makes up for the cost? |
| 05:58.42 | cheako | kc8pxy: When there is no link all your arp lookups don't get sent, this saves on CPU. More importantly this saves on time waiting for a reply. |
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| 05:59.03 | kc8pxy | cheako: ideas on the iw? |
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| 06:00.25 | liable | i need to have a play with iw one of these days |
| 06:00.37 | cheako | kc8pxy: ahh, no. ohh, I have a b43 card here. Let me test. |
| 06:01.01 | cheako | BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] |
| 06:02.11 | kc8pxy | cheako: it does, for me. the system is always compiled exactly as i wish it to run, with only the fluff i explicitly tell it to install. also, whenever i need to change somethign, or write my own stuff, all the stuff is there. headers, and everything. no waiting for them as a seperate package :) it works for me, and it's not for everyone. |
| 06:02.28 | kc8pxy | cheako: bingo. that's my card. |
| 06:03.20 | cheako | kc8pxy: I got this card for $20 at wallmart, I only wanted the antani but then put it in as an extra monitor. |
| 06:03.53 | cheako | kc8pxy: Are you sure you don't just want to use ad-hoc? |
| 06:04.21 | kc8pxy | cheako: can you wpa on an adhoc? |
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| 06:04.46 | liable | what kernel you got, and which firmware? |
| 06:05.06 | liable | see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#device_firmware |
| 06:05.09 | cheako | kc8pxy: not likely. |
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| 06:06.02 | kc8pxy | liable: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 06:06.21 | liable | kc8pxy: i would be tempted to get a newer kernel if i were you |
| 06:06.35 | cheako | 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 |
| 06:06.38 | liable | thats pretty old now for wireless |
| 06:07.08 | liable | or at least build the wireless-compat drivers |
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| 06:07.24 | cheako | I'm running 30 for another card, but I put this on all my computers. |
| 06:07.36 | kc8pxy | liable: true, but it's liable, or shoudl be, and b43-fwcutter grabbed the right fw for it. |
| 06:07.45 | kc8pxy | viable |
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| 06:08.23 | liable | well, if you have ever followed the wireless list, it gets a lot of code frequently |
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| 06:08.53 | kc8pxy | yes.. i usually make it work and walk away :) if i need somethign new, I'll update :) |
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| 06:10.08 | liable | !moo |
| 06:10.08 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 06:11.24 | cheako | aaahhhh, I feel so pownd. |
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| 06:19.09 | cheako | kc8pxy: Pages of information. |
| 06:20.26 | cheako | kc8pxy: So you have done something wrong, I think a kernel update would be a good first start. |
| 06:20.43 | cheako | 'step' |
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| 06:22.19 | cheako | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686 |
| 06:23.02 | cheako | I gtg. |
| 06:23.43 | kc8pxy | cheako: ugh. how is simply installing default stuff wrong? as to upgrading kernel, how do i do that correctly, as it seems i've done somethign wrong? |
| 06:24.25 | hoo-hah | how do I change frequency/channel for wifi device? Through interfaces, or wpa_supplicant.conf? |
| 06:24.45 | hoo-hah | grepping man for channel/frequency doesn't show results |
| 06:25.13 | kc8pxy | hoo-hah: ....... as a client or server? |
| 06:25.17 | hoo-hah | client |
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| 06:25.37 | liable | kc8pxy: go visit backports.org and add it to your sources.list, then you'll get kernel updates |
| 06:26.06 | liable | hoo-hah: either should work iirc. have a look at the docs for both |
| 06:26.22 | liable | you generally shouldnt need to though |
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| 06:28.14 | liable | wtf, there wasn't a netsplit recently.. |
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| 06:28.30 | kermit | liable: 2.7 hours ago |
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| 06:28.42 | kermit | er 3.2 hours ago |
| 06:28.44 | liable | kermit: slow to be fixed then.. |
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| 06:29.24 | liable | !sussudio |
| 06:29.24 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, liable! |
| 06:29.33 | liable | heh |
| 06:29.35 | kermit | liable: too bad my donation didnt come with an SLA |
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| 06:30.19 | liable | thats 'cause your a tightwad student :P |
| 06:30.31 | liable | active gets one.. ;) |
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| 06:36.17 | korhojoa | it's quiet here. |
| 06:36.28 | korhojoa | !slap me |
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| 06:39.11 | hoo-hah | -.- |
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| 06:41.58 | gentoo | i have 14 x 1TB drives.. what would be better? a 14 drive RAID6 (2 simulatneous failures can occur) or have two 7drive RAID5 volumes? |
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| 06:46.24 | kermit | so a write doesnt hog all 14 platters |
| 06:46.40 | xargs | agree |
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| 06:52.24 | Linux-IRC | Hi, |
| 06:53.40 | Linux-IRC | Is anyone here ? |
| 06:54.17 | jmarsden | !anyone |
| 06:54.17 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 07:00.03 | freaky[t] | !popcon |
| 07:00.03 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest, the basis for what packages appear on the first few CDs/DVDs etc (by rank). Install the popularity-contest package to participate. See the results at http://popcon.debian.org/ |
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| 07:00.46 | duper | !help |
| 07:00.47 | Linux-IRC | jmarsden: Is linuxmint based on debian sid ? |
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| 07:01.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | Linux-IRC: look at their website |
| 07:01.16 | jmarsden | I think it is based on Ubuntu. Check its website for details. |
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| 07:06.42 | Linux-IRC | jmarsden: Kamping_Kaiser : I can't understand why are so many linux distribution based on debian?Debian is good, |
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| 07:07.06 | Linux-IRC | jmarsden: Kamping_Kaiser : Debian is enough, |
| 07:07.33 | Linux-IRC | jmarsden: Kamping_Kaiser : Only problem is packages are older, |
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| 07:09.04 | Zenox | I tried adding a fifth drive to a mdadm array, but when doing mdadm --details --scan the UUID is still only 4 hex values, everything else seems fine |
| 07:09.07 | Zenox | ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5 num-devices=5 metadata=0.90 UUID=146cbea1:7120f09b:2c5faad5:5fe6fb86 |
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| 07:09.57 | Zenox | When rebooting it seems like the md0 array has to be rebuilt again (the fifth drive), even though it works. What can I have missed? |
| 07:10.00 | danila | file:///media/disk/Video/MOV0002A.mp4 |
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| 07:27.50 | nas_ | guys when i issue sudo su, i get this error setuid(0): Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 07:27.57 | nas_ | any idea? |
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| 07:28.29 | nvz | doesn't sound good |
| 07:28.49 | liable | why do that anyway? |
| 07:28.58 | Kazuha | One question.... why would you be using su with sudo anyway? |
| 07:29.17 | nas_ | oh no sorry sudo only |
| 07:29.19 | Kazuha | It sounds like a security hole to me. (sudo itself.) |
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| 07:30.12 | nas_ | sudo su gets you to root |
| 07:30.38 | Sm0ke0ut | sudo -i either =) |
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| 07:31.22 | nvz | nas_: on ubuntu maybe |
| 07:31.50 | nas_ | sudo su lets you become root and run cmds without appending sudo anymore |
| 07:32.00 | nas_ | you run cmds like you are root |
| 07:32.16 | nas_ | run cmd as root user |
| 07:32.19 | nvz | you severly misunderstand security |
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| 07:33.11 | nas_ | you cannot go in in vserver guest for instance without issuing a sudo su |
| 07:33.30 | nvz | I repeat my last message |
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| 07:34.05 | liable | maybe you need to yell it? |
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| 07:34.19 | cokegen | hi, I'm trying to build mysql from source with the debian package so I installed dpkg-dev and the mysql-dfsg-5.0 package |
| 07:34.21 | nvz | Kazuha1: sudo can be, but it can also be a useful tool if used properly |
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| 07:34.38 | cokegen | now, how do I know the configure flags the packagers used to build it ? |
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| 07:34.59 | cokegen | is there any files or a site with that info ? |
| 07:36.00 | liable | get the debian source, and you can see what flags it uses in the control file |
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| 07:36.38 | liable | not the control file, rules file |
| 07:36.54 | nvz | nas_: aside from checking your systems vital signs, looking for out of memory conditions as far as ram and filesystems are concerned, a reboot would likely fix the problem.. and since you are doing something so stupid to begin with you're likely using centos or ubuntu or something and not debian, and you have a serious kernel bug if not one of the forementioned |
| 07:36.58 | cokegen | ok, let me see |
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| 07:37.43 | nvz | there are other things but since you dont seem likely to be truthful or cooperative thats the best advice I can give you |
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| 07:40.15 | nas_ | nvz: thank you. i will try that. there was no error like this all along and only suddenly today |
| 07:41.13 | nvz | nas_: those sorts of things happen that way |
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| 07:43.10 | nvz | nas_: in the mean time you'd might want to consider finding a better understanding of security and in particular the commands su and sudo which outside live environments like ubuntu should not be used on the same commandline |
| 07:43.58 | Kamping_Kaiser | they shouldnt anyware. sudo -i exists for a reason :) |
| 07:44.38 | nas_ | oh ok. thank you guys. honestly i've been using that sudo su for quite a while |
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| 07:45.28 | nas_ | everytime i want to be root, sort of a shortcut for me |
| 07:45.32 | nvz | nas_: its bad practice, you use one or the other. su does the same thing, only requires a password |
| 07:46.00 | nvz | nas_: there are more sane ways to do a shortcut, like using a keyring or sudo -v |
| 07:46.41 | nvz | in debian unless a crazy admin enabled such a thing, thats not even possible |
| 07:46.52 | nsadmin | sudo (along with most other admin tools) isn't installed with the base, and may or may not fit with the wants of the system/installation owner |
| 07:47.03 | nvz | so mentioning it automatically makes us suspect you are not using debian, and if you are, you're an incompetant admin |
| 07:47.42 | nsadmin | that would be painting with extremely broad strokes to slander someone |
| 07:48.05 | nvz | I'm like harold.. |
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| 07:50.33 | nsadmin | and you're doing so in front of more than 800 irc clients not all of whom you know |
| 07:50.50 | nvz | indeed, noted. |
| 07:51.08 | nas_ | nvz: that means when u execute ifconfig for example, you have to sudo ifconfig, or su first? |
| 07:51.12 | nsadmin | perhaps both of you should contact your attorneys |
| 07:51.26 | nvz | its true, and if I didnt mention it it would be like the elephant in the living room nobody mentions |
| 07:51.54 | nvz | nas_: yes, or I just start my root terminal from the menu and it comes up without password because its still in my keyring for that session |
| 07:52.50 | nas_ | ok. hmmm. thank you! :) |
| 07:53.28 | nvz | in intrest of pleasing my press attourney here.. I'm just 1) trying to show you that asking for support about other distros and lyting doesnt help anyone cause we have to know what it is we are REMOTELY supporting, and 2) correcting bad behavior that can lead to lots of problems in the community at large |
| 07:53.28 | nsadmin | nas_: so this is about what, a home machine? |
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| 07:54.03 | nas_ | nsadmin: yeah, sudo is not installed in the base |
| 07:54.04 | nsadmin | start with your own |
| 07:54.21 | nvz | having to support people later with their compromised box is much harder than correcting their poor habits |
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| 07:55.04 | nsadmin | you don't have to do anything |
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| 07:55.10 | korhojoa | sudo is for ubuntu. use su elsewhere. |
| 07:55.38 | nas_ | nvz: i am using debian. i am sure. |
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| 07:56.04 | nvz | nas_: then you had to have gone to some length to enable such a feature as being able to sudo su |
| 07:56.37 | nas_ | just install sudo then add the user in visudo |
| 07:56.51 | nvz | nas_: I used to use sudo -v when I was doing extensive root stuff. That verifies with the password and keeps a token until you remove it with sudo -k |
| 07:57.22 | nvz | nas_: you might as well not even have a root password if you have such a feature in your system. its nearly the same thing |
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| 07:58.16 | nas_ | only selected users can do this though; only those added in the visudo with same rights as root |
| 07:58.19 | nsadmin | it really depends on the importance of the machine |
| 07:58.51 | kharloss | hi there. someone can help me with this ? http://pastebin.com/m436609a3 i can`t acces my frontend ( i used an ond version - mambo , but error are the same , no matter which version i use ,, i guess ... ) any help will be apreciated . thanks . |
| 07:58.51 | nvz | I chose not to believe that mentality unless the system is not on a network |
| 07:59.06 | nvz | because on a network the whole network can pay for the stupidity of one user |
| 07:59.23 | nsadmin | if it's being used as a mission-critical server with several thousand users, that's one thing |
| 07:59.31 | nvz | I can't stand people who are connected to the internet and tell me they don't care about security |
| 07:59.43 | nvz | then my box is getting hammered by a bunch of compromised machines |
| 07:59.57 | nvz | so if you like to support such behavior thats your decision |
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| 08:00.00 | firefox_ | nvz, I dont see a reason to call names or insinuations thereof. this is for help not your opinion on whos stupid... just my two cent |
| 08:00.06 | nvz | I however do not agree |
| 08:00.12 | hoo-hah | technically you shouldn't be fussed about getting hammered if your security is up to scratch |
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| 08:00.22 | nsadmin | it's slander |
| 08:00.35 | nvz | firefox_: I agree.. but my choice of language is the culprait there not me opinion |
| 08:00.43 | nsadmin | pure and simple, and that behavior can reflect on the community in a stronger way |
| 08:01.07 | hellyeah | someone said |
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| 08:01.16 | hellyeah | gentoo is better than debian |
| 08:01.21 | firefox_ | nvz, just saying your coming off rather ill willed... it doesnt look friendly to noobies. |
| 08:01.22 | nsadmin | ok |
| 08:01.23 | hoo-hah | insta-ban |
| 08:01.33 | nvz | hoo-hah: no matter how good your security is, even denial of access causes the system stress |
| 08:01.33 | hoo-hah | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:01.33 | dpkg | prisoner of war; is also the C-library function for exponentiation of doubles (see also friends {c,}pow{f,l,}) |
| 08:01.46 | nvz | the problem never happens if everyone takes it seriously |
| 08:02.12 | hoo-hah | lofty standards |
| 08:02.31 | nvz | idealisticlly unrealistic as well |
| 08:02.37 | nvz | but I yam what I yam |
| 08:03.42 | hoo-hah | hellyeah: that someone is right! Ask them for reasons why |
| 08:04.21 | jaggz- | someone find me a font viewer which displays the font name on disk, grr! |
| 08:04.43 | jaggz- | the grr is not a threat I'm frustrated at teh system! |
| 08:04.51 | jaggz- | :) |
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| 08:05.19 | nsadmin | nvz: for example... if it can be shown that even one client is logging and storing, that could be evidence this is a public forum... and if even one client is a potential employer in the field (I suspect the number is closer to 100), the slanderous statement you made earlier could damage him, anywhere from 1-100 counts |
| 08:05.35 | nsadmin | and that's just the direct connections |
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| 08:06.09 | firefox_ | call me mr. president. ^_~ |
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| 08:06.48 | hoo-hah | nvz is a crackpot. peruse logs. not that there's anything wrong with that |
| 08:07.14 | krion | hi |
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| 08:07.50 | nvz | I can see that and I consider it at times. Fact of the matter is, I'm not getting paid to be here and if I slip up a little trying to scare people into being more intelligent on an open forum I have people like you to tell me about it and that to me cancels it out |
| 08:07.51 | nsadmin | the thing is he's been around here for many years, and so his accrued influence could multiply the effect |
| 08:07.56 | hoo-hah | jaggz-: there's gnome-specimen |
| 08:08.27 | nvz | the day everyone here thinks like me, or I'm being paid to be here, then its a problem |
| 08:09.03 | hoo-hah | lol no shit |
| 08:09.06 | hoo-hah | :P |
| 08:09.24 | nsadmin | you imply a connection when you talk about his effect on "the community" |
| 08:10.55 | nvz | If I mentioned community I meant the community of the internet that could and does frequently pay for the mistakes of individual users |
| 08:10.55 | nsadmin | I'm not sure that not being paid to be here would help if someone you screw over like that decides to take action whether I or someone else says something to warn you or not |
| 08:10.55 | nvz | I speak not of freenode or of debian |
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| 08:11.12 | nsadmin | but whatever... |
| 08:11.42 | nsadmin | the positive result is you helped the guy out in some way, and he's thankful for that |
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| 08:12.46 | nvz | thats the way I see it. I also see it as there is going to be a negative result to anything I do, and while being aware of that, I don't dwell on it or cease or hesitate to act |
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| 08:13.51 | nsadmin | in this day and age people do not generally install debian (or whatever) to become a competent admin, so there will be those who won't listen or try to learn the finer (or any) points of doing it, unless they're doing a server |
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| 08:14.08 | nsadmin | to that end, debian defaults pretty much rule |
| 08:14.45 | nvz | yeah well that option was not a debian default and usually indicates its not debian.. which makes supporting the user difficult |
| 08:15.42 | nsadmin | so what you're saying is that installing sudo and visudoing a particular user is not enough to allow sudo su |
| 08:15.51 | firefox_ | thats me... I break debian... yes.. I manage to break it often |
| 08:16.01 | nvz | if you've ever seen the show house then you'd know that character is a similar ass.. because people lie and that makes his job difficult and causes people to die |
| 08:16.21 | nvz | to solve problems I can't worry abvout pr and all that, I need to get to the root of the issue |
| 08:16.48 | nsadmin | you can't worry about people dying on an irc channel... |
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| 08:17.36 | jetscreamer | like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our #debian |
| 08:18.33 | nvz | no but I can waste my time, and theirs which could both be better spent, just because they chose to do unintelligent things and lie to me for whatever reasons they may have |
| 08:19.19 | jmarsden | nvz: You seem to believe that accusing people of lying (who may not in fact be lying) is "getting to the root of the (technical) issue? Am I right? It seems more likely to me that this would upset or annoy the person seeking help, so causing them to become defensive, rather than opening up and working with you to solve "the root of the issue". |
| 08:19.40 | jaggz- | hoo-hah: trying gnome-specimen thanks :) |
| 08:20.04 | simonrvn | jaggz-: that's the thing i was trying to think of earlier. hoo-hah: thanks |
| 08:20.20 | jetscreamer | !thank hoo-hah |
| 08:20.20 | dpkg | jetscreamer: bitte |
| 08:20.41 | jetscreamer | gah |
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| 08:21.34 | hoo-hah | dw. you meant well |
| 08:21.50 | nvz | we can talk about my methods another time and place, I however find that they work. other than the occational observer trying to save their resume or change the support community as a whole nobody has ever complained.. in fact people come in here asking for me by name because of how quick and direct my solutions when I am highly active in here |
| 08:22.23 | jetscreamer | who are you again? :p |
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| 08:23.44 | nvz | I'm nobody |
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| 08:24.14 | jetscreamer | nice to meet you nobody, i'm nothing |
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| 08:24.44 | nvz | na, you're more than nothing.. |
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| 08:26.22 | nvz | I'm as dpkg would say, just a person.. |
| 08:26.25 | nvz | dpkg, person? |
| 08:26.25 | dpkg | i guess person is like a bot, but squishier |
| 08:26.55 | jetscreamer | " he's just a man " |
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| 08:35.25 | ghabeliat | none of these font viewers work right |
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| 08:36.14 | jaggz- | the font system loads fonts from files, then the utilities access that information but don't know the filenames anymore... |
| 08:36.35 | jaggz- | then the others have to ignore the font system to access the files directly.. so these two routes exist... |
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| 08:38.17 | jaggz- | how do you use xargs with arguments with spaces in them? |
| 08:38.28 | jaggz- | xargs cmd "must be quoted here" |
| 08:38.32 | jaggz- | or escaped |
| 08:39.00 | hoo-hah | -print0, xargs -O |
| 08:39.14 | hoo-hah | -0, rather |
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| 08:40.11 | sadkljfsa | clear |
| 08:40.40 | jaggz- | oh, cool.. it was whitespace BEFORE going into xargs.. I'm using locate, so locate | xargs -d '\n' is the fix |
| 08:40.47 | jaggz- | thanks hoo |
| 08:40.55 | SUNNYNARULA181 | hoo-hah:-print0 for find |
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| 08:41.43 | ootput | SUNNYNARULA18: didn't know the context |
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| 08:42.19 | SUNNYNARULA181 | jaggz-: -0 for locate |
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| 08:42.42 | SUNNYNARULA181 | ootput: what?? |
| 08:42.54 | jaggz- | is there a reason for that, preferred over the \n I'musing right now? |
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| 08:43.19 | jmarsden | jaggz-: Filenames can have \n in them... so the -0 is the more general solution |
| 08:43.23 | caraconan | Hi. I'm compiling spin, but previously seems that I need the yacc compiler. Installing ml-yacc does not gives me the 'yacc' command. Wich package should I install to get the 'yacc'command? |
| 08:43.25 | jaggz- | gotcha.. |
| 08:43.56 | jaggz- | thanks :) |
| 08:44.02 | ootput | SUNNYNARULA181: he probably didn't know the context. |
| 08:44.05 | jmarsden | caraconan: bison |
| 08:44.18 | caraconan | thanks alot |
| 08:44.26 | SN18 | ootput: i know thats why i mentioned "for find" |
| 08:44.40 | jmarsden | caraconan: You're welcome. |
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| 08:44.58 | caraconan | It worked |
| 08:45.49 | hoo-hah | yeah, 9/10 basic xarg q's on irc relate to find, I've found. Assuming find this time round too |
| 08:46.24 | hoo-hah | SN18: stick with sn18 instead of the other two as it's easier to tab-complete ;) |
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| 08:47.11 | SN18 | hoo-hah: your wish is my command...oops my nick |
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| 08:47.50 | hoo-hah | noice |
| 08:49.09 | ootput | ah, tis nice to be packet-shaped |
| 08:49.21 | jaggz- | locate -0ir '\.ttf$' | xargs -0 --max-args=1 kfontview |
| 08:49.27 | jaggz- | this is a retarded way to browse fonts.. |
| 08:49.53 | jaggz- | but I need to know the filenames (using them in povray) |
| 08:50.43 | ootput | the filename should give the fontname, or at least a very good indicator |
| 08:51.00 | ootput | I hate browsing through obscurely named fonts, too |
| 08:51.34 | jaggz- | it's not that.. it's that the actual system font viewers should display the original source filename.. |
| 08:51.49 | jaggz- | it seems the X11 font system puts a veil over that |
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| 08:54.40 | hoo-hah | To this day, I'm retarded when it comes to font-hinting|antialiasing|getting-it-to-look-like-windows in LinuxLand |
| 08:55.01 | jaggz- | ms maketh the ttf |
| 08:55.14 | hoo-hah | to succeed at font-related stuff requires voodoo |
| 08:56.52 | hoo-hah | why can't there be profiles automatically created for fonts in xorg based on monitor detected |
| 08:57.00 | hoo-hah | (unless there already is, of course) |
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| 08:57.22 | hoo-hah | relating to optimal settings (eg. cleartype) for display |
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| 08:58.28 | hoo-hah | even when correct dpi can't be detected, once the user sets it in .Xresources, Xorg should adapt |
| 08:59.18 | ootput | as with any feature request, demand |
| 08:59.37 | maxagaz | how to know which NIC does ppp0 uses (eth0 or eth1) ? |
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| 09:00.12 | simonrvn | ppp0 doesn't directly use a nic, it binds to one. your ppp.log should tell you. |
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| 09:00.15 | ^shark_ | if i only installed the standard system will my graphics card be recognised and all librabries installed too without installing the desktop environment? |
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| 09:01.17 | jaggz- | well.. anyone have a font browser which lets you feed it a list of fonts to view? |
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| 09:02.00 | jaggz- | this sucks |
| 09:02.27 | hoo-hah | kvm -hda win98.img |
| 09:03.18 | maxagaz | simonrvn, nothing else than log can tell ? |
| 09:03.33 | simonrvn | type plog |
| 09:03.41 | yoshx | hello |
| 09:03.45 | simonrvn | it's the easiest way |
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| 09:07.17 | maxagaz | simonrvn, plog prints nothing |
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| 09:11.35 | Mallxs | Morning; Looking at code.google.com i need -- hg -- to Checkout sources ... Whats that in Deabian language ?? |
| 09:12.24 | hoo-hah | ooh, what's this (firefox-bin:26258): Gdk-WARNING **: XID collision, trouble ahead error that's filling up my xsession log? |
| 09:12.46 | ootput | it's benign |
| 09:13.20 | ootput | but still ugly. not a simple fix http://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21583 |
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| 09:13.42 | ootput | apparently the folks at ubuntu have patched it up for karmic, not that it matters in the least bit to debian |
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| 09:14.28 | ootput | basically, over-eager XID reuse in Xlib |
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| 09:15.03 | simonrvn | maxagaz: *shrug*. sometimes it doesn't. might want to set it to debug level. |
| 09:15.21 | hoo-hah | I don't want to redirect all from firefox as there are some useful debugging prompts I look for |
| 09:15.25 | hoo-hah | certainly not this one |
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| 09:18.39 | simonrvn | Mallxs: mercurial. that's not "Deabian language", that's what it's called. |
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| 09:19.30 | hoo-hah | heh, guess the folks over there weren't impressed by Linus' speech |
| 09:19.46 | simonrvn | Mallxs: and it's a short e in "Debian", it's two names combined into one. |
| 09:20.38 | Mallxs | simonvn: sorry for the typo |
| 09:20.44 | Mallxs | i have found i have found hg-load-dirs |
| 09:21.01 | Mallxs | and more typos |
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| 09:21.11 | simonrvn | yeh, but that's not the complete thing |
| 09:21.32 | simonrvn | aptitude install mercurial |
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| 09:26.31 | Mallxs | simonrvn: mercurial was auto installed on requesting hg-load-dirs ... thx now i know why |
| 09:26.39 | falcon_ | nice |
| 09:26.45 | simonrvn | *nods* forgot it might be. |
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| 09:30.51 | jaggz- | uses gimp's font viewer .. *sigh* |
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| 09:31.07 | jaggz- | simon, just returned to this thing.. |
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| 09:38.05 | hoo-hah | why is it that a cron job fails to understand $HOME (not set in env, apparently)? |
| 09:38.28 | hoo-hah | do I need to export it in .profile or similar, and source it in the cron job itself? |
| 09:38.40 | simonrvn | jaggz-: mm. maybe it was some app that ubuntu has packaged i'm rmembering. |
| 09:39.06 | simonrvn | hoo-hah: why would it grok $HOME? |
| 09:39.18 | jaggz- | great, found a font Nimbus Roman, but can't find the ttf :) |
| 09:39.35 | jaggz- | simon, I remember one too I thought.. from back a couple years maybe |
| 09:39.58 | jaggz- | web searches |
| 09:40.35 | hoo-hah | simonrvn: the traceback mentions that it can't find $HOME/.netrc as $HOME is not set in env - this is likely because I did not provide login credentials in offlineimaprc, but in .netrc |
| 09:40.50 | hoo-hah | still, why wouldn't $HOME be recognised by the offlineimap.py? |
| 09:41.00 | jaggz- | now to find a ttfinfo :) |
| 09:41.07 | jaggz- | oh, maybe nimbus isn't ttf.. |
| 09:41.41 | hoo-hah | I don't undertand the inner workings of cron, nor does its man page help any |
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| 09:41.54 | pom | What is the proper way to dispose an obsolete entry in known_hosts? |
| 09:42.13 | jaggz- | delete the line |
| 09:42.29 | pom | How do I know which one it is? |
| 09:42.44 | sauvin | hoo-hah, I don't understand the inner workings of cron, but that doesn't stop me from using it. |
| 09:42.49 | jaggz- | if it's hidden there's some way of showing the line #.. not sure right now.. |
| 09:43.22 | jaggz- | some ssh output shows it (when things don't match), but I think otherwise you might have to give a hostname and have it tell you the line # |
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| 09:43.45 | jaggz- | ie. it won't tell you unless you give the host.. but this isn't from too much experience with it.. |
| 09:43.49 | jaggz- | rtfm :) |
| 09:44.20 | simonrvn | though gnome-specimen is pretty neat |
| 09:44.41 | simonrvn | nimbus isn't ttf, no. it's bdf or pcf or such |
| 09:45.06 | simonrvn | hoo-hah: set it in your script, or set it in the crontab itself |
| 09:45.21 | simonrvn | pom: it should tell you |
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| 09:48.13 | pom | This is the warning I receive: http://debian.pastebin.com/m654a9db5 |
| 09:48.30 | pom | That fingerprint doesn't match any of the entries in known_hosts. |
| 09:48.43 | ootput | pom: check server side |
| 09:49.16 | pom | ootput: What am I looking for? |
| 09:49.24 | jmarsden | pom: Kine 5: It says so: Offending key in /data/storage/personal/pom/.ssh/known_hosts:5 |
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| 09:49.29 | jmarsden | *Line 5 |
| 09:49.31 | pom | Ah! |
| 09:49.35 | pom | How convenient. |
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| 09:51.00 | pom | is noting the importance of : |
| 09:52.10 | hoo-hah | I've never known that prompt to be so verbose |
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| 09:52.19 | hoo-hah | usually I have to hunt for the offending line myself |
| 09:52.29 | hoo-hah | must be a new feature |
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| 09:52.57 | jmarsden | hoo-hah: It's included the line number for a few years, for me at least :) |
| 09:53.18 | jaggz- | can I ask the X11 font system "what file has this full-font-name"? |
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| 09:53.22 | jaggz- | I need some way to relate names to files |
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| 09:55.04 | jaggz- | can someone direct me to the font system's name? |
| 09:55.37 | jaggz- | begins to cry |
| 09:55.51 | hoo-hah | jaggz-: xfs? |
| 09:56.17 | hoo-hah | jmarsden: weird. Might because I haven't run into that problem for a long time |
| 09:56.35 | hoo-hah | but I never saw it before |
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| 09:59.37 | hoo-hah | simonrvn: apparently it's a bug (filed upstream), and no record of it on d.o/bugs |
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| 10:03.01 | jaggz- | xfs isn't installed.. |
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| 10:03.10 | jaggz- | xfs-x11-utils is though |
| 10:03.22 | jelly | jaggz-: read the X font path (xset q), then inspect all the fonts.dir files in the path |
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| 10:07.24 | ootput | jaggz-: you should script that |
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| 10:08.09 | ootput | grep all fonts.dir found in system for _name_ |
| 10:09.37 | pom | Sometimes I don't understand how permissions work: See this example: http://debian.pastebin.com/mb19565 , why do I get permission denined on last touch command? Am I supposed to be able to write to that file as a group member of the group owner? |
| 10:09.40 | jaggz- | (for i in `xset q | grep -A1 'Font Path:' | tail -1 | sed -e 's/,/\n/g'`; do if [ -d "$i" ]; then cat "$i/fonts.dir"; fi; done) | grep -i nimbus |
| 10:10.02 | jaggz- | what's the font server if it's not xfs? |
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| 10:10.44 | jelly | X server itself has an embedded font server |
| 10:11.00 | jaggz- | gotcha.. okay, well I have a method now so.. whatever :/ |
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| 10:11.12 | jaggz- | would be nice to have a findfontfilebyname |
| 10:11.46 | jelly | what do you want the file name for/ |
| 10:12.28 | llutz | pom: you need to be member of www-data |
| 10:12.54 | pom | llutz: "group pom" lists www-data. Doesn't that mean that I am? |
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| 10:13.39 | llutz | pom: ups hadn't seen that, yes it means |
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| 10:14.39 | jaggz- | povray uses ttfs directly |
| 10:14.45 | hoo-hah | jelly: he wants to find the actual font on filesystem associated with font attributes |
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| 10:15.47 | hoo-hah | mplayer does the same.. which is gay |
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| 10:16.41 | liable | !gay |
| 10:16.41 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 10:16.54 | liable | just saying :) |
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| 10:17.05 | kermit | lol |
| 10:17.17 | jetscreamer | words evolve |
| 10:17.22 | jetscreamer | get with the times |
| 10:17.36 | liable | just because you watched fword doesn't mean its ok :P |
| 10:17.41 | kermit | that reminds me of Dave iv Orgazmo |
| 10:17.45 | kermit | iv/in |
| 10:17.50 | jetscreamer | fword? |
| 10:18.07 | hoo-hah | liable: hey, that's prejudicial! |
| 10:18.09 | liable | the southpark episode about that exact thing |
| 10:18.23 | jetscreamer | never really watched southpark |
| 10:18.27 | radoe | pom: have you added your user pom to group www-data after starting the shell your are trying the touch in? |
| 10:18.36 | hoo-hah | (you're not missing out on much) |
| 10:19.01 | hoo-hah | it's not as tasteful as, say, Drawn Together |
| 10:19.06 | hoo-hah | shame about it's limited run |
| 10:20.48 | ootput | lol @ dpkg's first thought |
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| 10:22.04 | pom | radoe: Probably not. I thought changes were instant. |
| 10:22.10 | pom | That probably explains this: http://debian.pastebin.com/m1ceb164e |
| 10:23.10 | pom | radoe: That leads me to: this doesn't work the other way around, does it? I.e if I remove user permissions can they still override them unless they log out? |
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| 10:23.40 | radoe | pom: already running processes are not affected if you add user to a new group. |
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| 10:24.54 | jaggz- | I need a form of exercise but I'm always at home :( |
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| 10:24.58 | pom | radoe: Hmm... that seems so Windows. |
| 10:25.59 | radoe | pom: well, like it or not, but thats the way it's defined for ages. |
| 10:26.03 | ootput | jaggz-: pillow fort battles |
| 10:26.42 | thebusker | is it possible to re-partition after a default setup of two partitions? |
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| 10:27.30 | ootput | thebusker: unless partitioning was done via lvm, no |
| 10:27.33 | pom | radoe: That should be better documented. If I removed some users from a group I wouldn't feel good having to go around tell everybody to restart their sessions. |
| 10:27.52 | ootput | thebusker: without having free space handy to migrate data back and forth, that is |
| 10:27.56 | pom | Definately room for improvement imo. |
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| 10:28.57 | llutz | pom: you wouldn't like having permissions changed during execution of some tasks |
| 10:29.10 | thebusker | ootput: free space on a separate drive? |
| 10:29.40 | jelly | thebusker: it depends. There are tools like gparted or Partition Magic, but they have limitations and may destroy data if buggy. Make backups before usnig them. |
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| 10:31.06 | thebusker | jelly, ootput: I'm hearing it's possible - but you'd best be very careful. thank you. |
| 10:31.23 | radoe | pom: if you feel this needs some improvements in documentation, just file a proper (wishlist) bug report, probably with an attached patch to make docs better |
| 10:31.49 | ootput | thebusker: yeah, I have 0 faith in those apps' ability to non-destructively resize/re-partition |
| 10:32.13 | pom | radoe: I will look into it. Is this behavior same throughout all distros? |
| 10:32.45 | llutz | pom: yes |
| 10:32.46 | radoe | pom: yes, even for all unices out there. |
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| 10:34.24 | jetscreamer | i agree, me i'll cp the data to another hd and redo the partitions... sometimes i dd it first just because |
| 10:34.25 | pom | Btw, if there was a malicious user logged in, how do I best dispose of him/her? |
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| 10:35.43 | ootput | kill -9 `ps -u username | grep -v PID | awk '{ printf ("%s ", $1); }'` |
| 10:36.41 | blast_hardcheese | gah; I don't want to become a debian maintainer right now, I just want to package this as a deb so I can uninstall it cleanly later; What's the best way to do this? debhelper seems like the very, very long route. |
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| 10:37.29 | liable | building a deb isnt particularly time consuming if its a simple program. |
| 10:37.43 | blast_hardcheese | Right, that's what I'd like to do |
| 10:38.21 | blast_hardcheese | I'd like to be able to say something like <proxy app> make install, have it record all the things that it wants to put where, then build a deb out of that. |
| 10:38.23 | liable | blast_hardcheese: so have a quick read of the new maintainers guide, and build it. its usually just a few commands a a bit of simple file editing |
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| 10:38.42 | blast_hardcheese | yeah, I'm looking at this thing and stressing out. |
| 10:38.48 | icebrain | !tell blast_hardcheese about checkinstall |
| 10:39.02 | blast_hardcheese | hey wonderful |
| 10:39.02 | liable | or that, i guess |
| 10:39.39 | blast_hardcheese | thanks icebrain |
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| 10:39.58 | icebrain | np, it's nice for local packages |
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| 10:41.21 | xyzz | hi, is there a way, how to skip/"automatically answer" dpkg interactive installation dialogs? |
| 10:42.21 | blast_hardcheese | icebrain: Man, that was just what I was looking for. I'm going to go crazy installing stuff now. |
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| 10:43.30 | danisahne | hi is there a device list for the amd64 kernel like this http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase |
| 10:43.40 | icebrain | blast_hardcheese: glad I could help. there is also stow, but I've never used it |
| 10:43.41 | danisahne | or is there no difference |
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| 10:46.06 | danisahne | no difference from the supported devices from x86 to x64 ? |
| 10:46.44 | danisahne | i386 / ia64 |
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| 10:47.28 | liable | ia64 is itanium |
| 10:47.36 | iceroot | danisahne: you really mean ia64 and not amd64? |
| 10:47.43 | danisahne | amd64 sry |
| 10:47.53 | danisahne | :) |
| 10:48.20 | danisahne | i just found a list of supp devs for i386 |
| 10:48.47 | danisahne | just only ^^ |
| 10:49.51 | iceroot | danisahne: free software is supported in i386 like in amd64 |
| 10:50.16 | iceroot | danisahne: nonfree software sometimes is a problem (creative soundcards for e.g., usb-wlan-sticks) |
| 10:50.17 | danisahne | i dont mean software imean the kernel |
| 10:50.25 | danisahne | nics |
| 10:50.41 | iceroot | danisahne: try a live-cd to see |
| 10:51.00 | danisahne | not on my server sry :) |
| 10:51.13 | danisahne | its cold outside there |
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| 10:51.15 | liable | i cant think of many situations where a driver would have 386 support but not 64 |
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| 10:51.31 | danisahne | kernel only |
| 10:51.47 | danisahne | i dont want to compile or do anything |
| 10:51.52 | liable | well, yes, thats where the drivers are.. |
| 10:52.15 | danisahne | i only use kernel by deb |
| 10:52.20 | iceroot | liable: creative xi-fi long time there was ony a amd64 driver, not i386 |
| 10:52.35 | iceroot | liable: wlan-sticks using ndiswrapper and fwcutter |
| 10:52.50 | danisahne | i am hearing nics which are supporte and work good with GBit and wol |
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| 10:56.19 | nse | The system was shut down during the night. Do you think this sudden shut down is correlated with the DCC flood happening yesterday? |
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| 10:57.50 | flower | howto backport packages for 64bit on 32bit? |
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| 11:13.20 | thrashold | Is there any way to make the sound non-muted after boot, and not have to manually increase the volume and unmute three controls through alsamixer? |
| 11:13.30 | thrashold | Better than adding alsactl restore to rc.local, that is |
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| 11:16.06 | ootput | thrashold: I thought the init script automatically did the save and restoring |
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| 11:16.36 | ootput | alsa-utils package should create the alsa-utils script |
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| 11:40.38 | d1b | hi um im having errors removing a package, the post-remove script is giving me an error, how to i force it... |
| 11:40.41 | d1b | forget about it ... |
| 11:40.46 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.49 | thrashold | ootput: It doesn't on sid on neither of my machines |
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| 11:44.43 | xyzz | ... is there a way to skip/"automatically answer" dpkg interactive installation dialogs? |
| 11:45.10 | d1b | xyzz: -y ? |
| 11:45.12 | liable | you can tell apt to answer yes |
| 11:45.45 | xyzz | d1b ehm, interactive dialog is not matther of yes/no |
| 11:45.46 | liable | generally not recommended, but, the option is there.. |
| 11:45.55 | liable | theres a cron-apt iirc too |
| 11:45.55 | xyzz | dialogs from debhelper/debconf |
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| 11:46.29 | xyzz | because its killing the purpose of packaging system and making it impossible to atomation |
| 11:46.58 | liable | -y selects the default option |
| 11:47.11 | xyzz | and if there is not? |
| 11:47.19 | xyzz | like "enter something: " |
| 11:47.27 | xyzz | but imagine ncurses dialog |
| 11:47.31 | xyzz | from debconf |
| 11:47.32 | liable | then you're fucked i guess |
| 11:47.34 | xyzz | or debhelper |
| 11:47.56 | liable | how do you expect a program to be able to answer such questions for you? |
| 11:47.57 | d1b | xyzz: something like expect ? |
| 11:47.59 | xyzz | ~two years ago someone explained to me, that there is some obscure way |
| 11:48.00 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, xyzz |
| 11:48.23 | xyzz | liable that dialogs have "kind of" names |
| 11:48.44 | xyzz | d1b expect is the more obscure way to do it than the debian way :) |
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| 11:50.08 | cantido | How does one disable all the local gettys in initab without getting "no processes left in this run level"? :) |
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| 11:50.12 | ootput | thrashold: weird |
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| 11:51.06 | ootput | thrashold: you could always use the init script as inspiration for your own. It will still use alsactl, however. Here it is (from Squeeze): http://pastebin.com/fefc9763 |
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| 11:53.07 | ootput | silly how syntax highlighting also affects text in comment fields |
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| 11:55.03 | hoo-hah | ootput: is there a debian tool to do pastes and post in #debian channel? |
| 11:55.40 | hoo-hah | i've been using my own script to do use pastebin-it with a primitive syntax- selection menu |
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| 11:56.07 | hoo-hah | it doesn't print to an irc window, though |
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| 11:56.29 | obcecado | hakr: https://launchpad.net/pastebinit |
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| 11:57.41 | hoo-hah | obcecado: i've noticed others here using debian.pastebin.com |
| 11:57.45 | hoo-hah | any idea what they use? |
| 11:58.04 | liable | no, paste.debian.net |
| 11:58.12 | liable | pastebinit is in the repos |
| 11:58.20 | liable | as well as a couple of others |
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| 11:58.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | i would imagine you can use pastebinit with paste.d.n |
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| 11:59.05 | liable | sure, it has a switch for the pastebin |
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| 12:06.02 | xyzz | d1b, liable: with "export TERM=" are things more easy with expect, but still ... |
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| 12:07.38 | d1b | xyzz: can't you say don't use the promopts btw ? |
| 12:07.41 | d1b | prompts* |
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| 12:08.48 | ewet- | MoDaX: chroot /mnt/luks3/ /busybox dpkg -i /home/enno/Downloads/libc6_2.7-18_amd64.deb gives out: |
| 12:08.51 | ewet- | dpkg: package util-linux pre-depends on libc6, which is not installed or flagged to be installed |
| 12:08.51 | dpkg | I think you lost me on that one, ewet- |
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| 12:09.11 | ewet- | sorry bot ;) |
| 12:09.22 | xyzz | d1b I can say it now ... |
| 12:09.34 | xyzz | would that help? :) |
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| 12:17.38 | caraconan | Hi. Some streaming server for a non-X-installed debian server? |
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| 12:20.28 | hoo-hah | could someone confirm that pastebinit -b http://paste.debian.net -f "perl" -i file.pl works for some file.pl? |
| 12:20.41 | hoo-hah | working syntax highlighting, that is |
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| 12:21.02 | flower | is it possible to safe data on a bootable usb disk? with two partitions? |
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| 12:21.54 | tomodachi | caraconan: streaming of what? |
| 12:22.23 | caraconan | A media file using rtsp |
| 12:22.31 | hoo-hah | it works fine with -b pastebin.com |
| 12:22.32 | caraconan | I'm not sure icecast support that protocol.... |
| 12:22.43 | tomodachi | caraconan: i think hts supports rtsp |
| 12:22.46 | tomodachi | or at least it used to |
| 12:23.01 | tomodachi | its a opepen source media center under developemnt |
| 12:23.02 | caraconan | Ok, I will take a look. Thanks |
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| 12:23.13 | tomodachi | from one of the guys developing for the ffmpeg ppl |
| 12:23.28 | tomodachi | caraconan: http://www.lonelycoder.com/ |
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| 12:24.09 | ootput | hoo-hah: no syntax highlighting here |
| 12:24.12 | hoo-hah | ootput: thought so |
| 12:25.13 | caraconan | I need some streaming server for a practice: play a media file using rtsp and sniff the traffic with wireshark |
| 12:25.49 | caraconan | Then I need some streaming server that: a) Don't need x started (I would avoid to install it to my current server) b) support rtsp protocol |
| 12:26.38 | tomodachi | caraconan: hts with rtso suppoert (when i tried it, didnt not require X) |
| 12:27.11 | caraconan | Ok, that will be my first try. Thanks a lot |
| 12:27.30 | tomodachi | #hts is on freenode you can always ask them for intel about it |
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| 12:32.13 | flower | is it possible to safe data on a bootable usb stick? Just make two partitions? |
| 12:32.51 | frostschutz | flower: yes. however if you want data to be visible under windows as well, the windows partition has to be the first one |
| 12:33.26 | caraconan | <tomodachi> are you sure hts 'as server' don't need X installed? |
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| 12:33.55 | flower | frostschutz: so you can make a bootable disk with the bootable stuff on the second partition? |
| 12:34.13 | flower | frostschutz: and what if the bootable partition is also fat? |
| 12:34.26 | frostschutz | flower: sure, same as you can do with hard disks... (I just use grub on my usb stick with dozens of live cds on it) |
| 12:34.44 | hoo-hah | can anyone else confirm that syntax-highlighting feature of paste.debian.net can't be set via pastebinit? |
| 12:35.26 | hoo-hah | with -f perl |
| 12:35.31 | hoo-hah | for example |
| 12:35.49 | caraconan | And second: I don't find that support rtsp.... |
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| 12:38.34 | flower | frostschutz: mmh that's interesting... so I can have a usb stick with system rescue cd, debian live cd and a data partition? |
| 12:39.17 | flower | frostschutz: (does the system rescue cd, use a grub? mmmh) |
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| 12:44.11 | BeerSerc | Hi there. I have a server running 4.0. Now I noticed /dev/disk/by-uuid/ does not exist. is there a way to get it? |
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| 12:45.41 | sinizzl | HAIL |
| 12:45.44 | liable | by upgrading to a supported version of debian? |
| 12:45.51 | jetscreamer | hail |
| 12:45.52 | Lloir | SNOW |
| 12:45.57 | sinizzl | kekekeke |
| 12:45.59 | jetscreamer | think roman |
| 12:46.02 | Lloir | :P |
| 12:46.05 | Lloir | i know |
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| 12:46.20 | jetscreamer | or, we could do the star trek thing.. hail hail fire and snow |
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| 12:46.22 | sinizzl | i've got some interesting news to every linux user out there: don't buy Western Digital Green Power hard drives. |
| 12:46.26 | Lloir | lol |
| 12:46.28 | BeerSerc | liable: mean me? |
| 12:46.46 | Lloir | yea intresting |
| 12:46.58 | Lloir | now tell me something thats ACTUALLY intresting |
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| 12:47.04 | Lloir | u didnt gve a reason btw |
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| 12:48.08 | jetscreamer | i think they're on sale 1tb for 73 bucks at my favorite hw shop this friday, yes give reason |
| 12:48.35 | flower | frostschutz: do you have to do a special thing to get those linux distro's on a usb WITH grub? |
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| 12:49.03 | liable | BeerSerc: yeah |
| 12:49.04 | Lloir | so no reason but not to buy WD Green power HDD |
| 12:49.07 | Lloir | :/ |
| 12:49.18 | liable | BeerSerc: the udev in 4.0 didnt support that |
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| 12:50.16 | sander_m | Hi all. I need to have a newer version of python-gobject on my Lenny system. I tried installing from Squeeze but it will drag in libglib2.0 and libc6 from Squeeze as well. IIRC these are some pretty often used libraries. Can I safely upgrade these without breaking the rest of the system that still uses Lenny? |
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| 12:51.38 | ansx | is there a way to boot a squeeze domU with grub2 from a lenny dom0? |
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| 12:52.44 | Lloir | Anyone know bout wifi around got a Question |
| 12:52.45 | jetscreamer | !tell sander_m -about backport |
| 12:52.59 | jetscreamer | !tell Lloir -about anybody |
| 12:53.09 | sander_m | jetscreamer: python-gobject isn't in backports |
| 12:53.13 | jetscreamer | o |
| 12:53.14 | Lloir | ... |
| 12:53.24 | jetscreamer | is it in sid? |
| 12:53.25 | sander_m | jetscreamer: That's the first thing I check ed of course :-) |
| 12:53.37 | Lloir | slaps jetscreamer |
| 12:53.37 | sander_m | jetscreamer: It's in Squeeze even |
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| 12:54.44 | jetscreamer | can it be compiled w/o upgraded libc6 et al? |
| 12:54.56 | jetscreamer | as in simple sid backport |
| 12:55.01 | jetscreamer | beyond me though |
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| 12:55.18 | jetscreamer | !ssb |
| 12:55.19 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 12:55.30 | Lloir | i seem to have a problem with my ZYDAS drivers on 5.* it works but then dies..then have to reboot machine to get it working.... |
| 12:55.37 | sander_m | jetscreamer: Without libc6, probably. But not without libglib2.0. The newer python-gobject (and libglib2.0) provide the new GIO interfaces that I need. |
| 12:55.46 | Lloir | *Zydas wifi drivers |
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| 12:58.26 | smhar | greetings |
| 12:58.52 | Lloir | o/ |
| 12:59.21 | smhar | who decides where an application will be located in the gnome menus? |
| 12:59.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | freedesktop |
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| 13:00.42 | smhar | because dosbox and dosemu are almost the same functionality but one is in Applications/Games while the other is in Applications/System Tools |
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| 13:02.06 | shattered | well, dosbox was largely written to run games :) |
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| 13:02.54 | smhar | atleast it should be located in both locations |
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| 13:03.35 | jetscreamer | wheee |
| 13:03.36 | Meths | Depending on the manager in use some apps have lots of entries with a default switched on and others switched off. The program creators essentially set where they think it is best put but at the end of the day it is up to the user to move it if desired. |
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| 13:11.51 | Zenox | mdadm - I added a new drive to the array (increasing it and so forth), everything seems okay (able to mount it etc), BUT, on reboot everything about the new drive is forgotten. I'm able to use the array BUT /proc/mdstat shows that the new drive is not in the raid5 (its UUUU_) |
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| 13:12.16 | Zenox | dmesg shows that the new drive isn't bound either. It does not try to bind it at all |
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| 13:14.07 | Zenox | md0 : active raid5 sdb1[0] sde1[3] sdd1[2] sdc1[1] ---> sdf1 is not shown even though it was used before rebooting the server |
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| 13:15.11 | grozavpaul | i have an external HDD with one partition formatted as NTFS . when i connect it to my laptop debian mounts it successfully but i also have two windows partitions C: and D: which are sda1 and sda5 i can mount them as root but i can't write on them ... why? and how can i setup my Debian system to mount them at system start up? |
| 13:15.50 | Zenox | "mdadm --detail --scan" showed all 5 drives.. but after rebooting the server sdf1 was totally gone from the array and mdadm -D /dev/md0 just shows "removed" on a slot instead |
| 13:16.06 | Zenox | Anyone got a clue about this raid5 problem? |
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| 13:17.54 | WuilliaM_vE | hi to alla |
| 13:17.56 | WuilliaM_vE | all |
| 13:17.58 | WuilliaM_vE | how are yoy |
| 13:17.58 | WuilliaM_vE | you |
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| 13:18.02 | WuilliaM_vE | i need your help |
| 13:18.03 | WuilliaM_vE | D |
| 13:18.08 | wertik|afk | ) |
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| 13:21.28 | hellyeah | wonder anyone experiences with matlab ? |
| 13:22.56 | sander_m | Question. That ssb recipe for Simple Sid Backports, does that work for Squeeze instead of Sid as well? |
| 13:23.08 | Meths | hellyeah: What's your actual question? |
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| 13:24.54 | hellyeah | can i come to your query |
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| 13:26.22 | Meths | No, talk in channel |
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| 13:27.30 | Ruyan | got this issue "epiphany-browser: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so: undefined symbol: cairo_xlib_surface_create_with_xrender_format" when i try to open epiphany, who now how to fix it? |
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| 13:28.48 | hellyeah | Meths, okey |
| 13:29.08 | hellyeah | http://paste.org/pastebin/view/12230 i wrote this code |
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| 13:29.26 | hellyeah | i want to useoutput of a function as input of another function |
| 13:29.32 | hellyeah | i think i am in true way |
| 13:29.44 | hellyeah | but it doesnt happen |
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| 13:30.01 | hellyeah | but i wrote x(1).name in function listingandtrainingset |
| 13:30.17 | hellyeah | i took result that i expect totally expect |
| 13:30.23 | hellyeah | what is mistake of me |
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| 13:31.14 | hellyeah | Meths, are you there |
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| 13:44.35 | grazymax | hi all |
| 13:44.42 | WuilliaM_vE | hi |
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| 13:52.20 | Elirips | [OT] Hi. Not a debian-specific question, anyway: I dont remember the name of the tool that can split lines of text into "columns" by specifing a delimeter.. anyone by chance knows the command? |
| 13:52.37 | pizza_biz | cut |
| 13:53.03 | Meths | hellyeah: I don't think you are calling the function correctly. You should be calling listingandtrainingset(1) not x(1). |
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| 13:53.18 | Justin | Elirips: cut |
| 13:53.20 | _sleepy_ | hi |
| 13:53.35 | Meths | hellyeah: Also having multiple variables called x isn't helping understanding |
| 13:53.58 | Elirips | pizza_biz, Justin: thanks! |
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| 13:54.09 | Meths | hellyeah: I think you need to rename the x in mean() to improve code readability. |
| 13:54.37 | jelly | Meths, hellyeah: could you guys take it to ##matlab? |
| 13:55.07 | _sleepy_ | how can i know wich packages on my sistem came from si repo? (i have testing) |
| 13:55.17 | _sleepy_ | sid* |
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| 13:56.36 | Titan8990_ | _sleepy_, you shouldn't just mix sid and testing.... `apt-cache policy <package>` |
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| 13:56.51 | sn18 | _sleepy_:apt-cache policy packagename may give some info |
| 13:57.25 | _sleepy_ | Titan8990_: i had to di it to install newer nvidia driver |
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| 13:57.45 | _sleepy_ | ty |
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| 13:57.55 | Kazuha | When is that idiot going to be completely k-lined? |
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| 13:58.41 | Kazuha | Or rather, perma-k-lined. |
| 13:58.44 | _sleepy_ | Titan8990_, sn18: so i have to check for every package? |
| 13:59.10 | grozavpaul | i added some commands to /etc/rc.local but Debian didn't run them during system start up. why? is there a file where i can add my commands like fedora's /etc/rc.d/rc.local ? |
| 13:59.35 | Titan8990_ | _sleepy_, you added to the sources for one thing.... why should anything other than that one thing be installed from sid? did you leave it in your sources? |
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| 14:00.02 | Titan8990_ | grozavpaul, man update-rc.d |
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| 14:00.15 | sn18 | _sleepy_: what do you need to check for every package? |
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| 14:00.31 | _sleepy_ | no, i not leave it in source.lst, but it installed some dependancies needed to compile the kernel module |
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| 14:01.15 | MayaT | hello :) |
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| 14:01.44 | jelly | ooh, what's a +R :-) |
| 14:01.59 | massmc | how do I limit user accounts to say.. 1gb |
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| 14:02.20 | jelly | massmc: /msg dpkg quota |
| 14:02.22 | RichiH | jelly: +richih |
| 14:02.26 | RichiH | ;) |
| 14:02.28 | RichiH | http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
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| 14:03.07 | liable | you guys must be busy with the latest tard attack.. |
| 14:03.09 | RichiH | jelly: bascially, it shuts out unregged users |
| 14:03.20 | massmc | jelly, I get an error that it doesnt exist in the shell |
| 14:03.34 | grozavpaul | Titan8990_ : but i don't want it to be a service ... i just want to run two commands :| |
| 14:03.35 | tdn | How do I use a pgsql database for authentication instead of /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow? |
| 14:03.38 | jelly | massmc: what doesn't exist? |
| 14:03.38 | rgr | Titan8990_: is should not matter if he leaves it in his sources if his default release is set fine. Or should it? |
| 14:03.39 | Kazuha | I personally think its the same idiot. |
| 14:03.44 | grozavpaul | Titan8990_ : is there any other way? |
| 14:03.50 | Kazuha | Or, its their script. |
| 14:03.53 | MayaT | i download the iso file.. then burn to dvd using infraRecorder.. but..... |
| 14:04.05 | sn18 | _sleepy_: then look at the dependencies for that package |
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| 14:04.19 | massmc | jelly /msg: no such file or directory |
| 14:04.22 | _sleepy_ | ok, ty |
| 14:04.25 | MayaT | but i still cant install..... :( |
| 14:04.52 | jelly | RichiH: gotcha, I've rtflink |
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| 14:05.08 | sn18 | _sleepy_: apt-cache showpkg packagename |
| 14:05.13 | jelly | massmc: ah, that's an irc client command |
| 14:05.15 | Titan8990_ | grozavpaul, nope, services are the debian way. what commands are you trying to run? |
| 14:05.35 | jelly | massmc: dpkg, the bot should reply with some relevant(ish) facts |
| 14:05.37 | grozavpaul | Titan8990_ : mount commands |
| 14:05.53 | Trevelyan | Hi, If you say 'No' to install package config over custom config. How can you re-run apt-get so that it will ask again? i.e. so that you can say Yes |
| 14:05.55 | jelly | massmc: alternatively, just google for quota and Linux |
| 14:06.01 | massmc | ahh i'm a retard |
| 14:06.01 | Titan8990_ | grozavpaul, had you considered using /etc/fstab? |
| 14:06.06 | massmc | cheers jelly |
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| 14:06.49 | grozavpaul | i thought about it but i'm not that good at rights ... 0777 and those :) i don't understand them |
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| 14:07.36 | grozavpaul | Titan8990_ : i find it easier to say mount /dev/sda1 /windows/C -t ntfs-3g |
| 14:07.44 | Titan8990_ | grozavpaul, fstab take very similar syntax to the mount command, accepts the same options. fstab is the proper way to do what your trying to do |
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| 14:09.03 | Titan8990_ | grozavpaul, thats easier than /dev/sda1 /windows/C ntfs-3g defaults 0 0 to a config file one time? |
| 14:10.00 | grozavpaul | Titan8990_ : well that's the thing ... defaults 0 0 ... i didn't know what to put on these columns :) |
| 14:10.00 | rgr | (actually that would be a nice gnome gui extension : generate the fstab line for a newly mounted network or external hd ...) |
| 14:10.22 | Lloir | hi do i ONLY NEED the 1st Debian dvd to install it + have a GUI + net working |
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| 14:10.46 | Kazuha | Yes. |
| 14:10.55 | Lloir | thanks |
| 14:11.08 | Lloir | just double checking |
| 14:11.11 | jelly | assuming it's a wired net and there's no non-free firmware needed |
| 14:11.22 | Titan8990_ | grozavpaul, 0 0 is standard, the "defaults" is the same as calling mount without -o |
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| 14:11.41 | Kazuha | Once you have net access, its helpful to get the packages you really want using apt. |
| 14:11.41 | Titan8990_ | grozavpaul, you can replace defaults with anything that is acceptable with mount -o <options> |
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| 14:11.50 | Lloir | wireless jelly but i got the wifi driver ready to install anyway |
| 14:11.55 | jelly | Lloir: in fact if you have a decent connnection, the netinst (~200MB) image is all you need to download and burn in advance |
| 14:12.06 | Kazuha | Indeed. |
| 14:12.11 | Lloir | wont work on my wifi :/ have problems with it |
| 14:12.17 | Lloir | otherwise i woulda |
| 14:12.42 | Kazuha | Ah. |
| 14:12.47 | Lloir | i have the driver on a disk then i tell debian to read it (during the netinst) it wont find it -.- pain |
| 14:12.56 | grozavpaul | Titan8990_ : thanks :) i should save these things that you said .. i might need them later |
| 14:13.33 | Titan8990_ | Lloir, I could never get that crap to work either... just follow through with jelly's suggestion |
| 14:13.46 | Lloir | ... |
| 14:13.51 | Lloir | no u missunderstod |
| 14:13.59 | Lloir | my wifi wont work with netinst |
| 14:14.13 | Lloir | works manually tho when i chuck the driver in |
| 14:15.58 | liable | which driver? which card? |
| 14:16.01 | cantido | you dont need a connection with the 200mb image if you dont install anything more than the base system.. |
| 14:16.15 | cantido | which should be enough to get your wifi going |
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| 14:16.35 | liable | base doesn't include wireless-tools |
| 14:16.39 | Lloir | cantido, true but i dont partically wanna work with the prompt atm |
| 14:16.41 | Lloir | ^ |
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| 14:16.54 | Lloir | Zydas liable |
| 14:16.58 | Lloir | i got the driver ready |
| 14:17.23 | Lloir | tho i hope it works properly this time :/ |
| 14:17.43 | liable | Lloir: why cant you install over ethernet? |
| 14:18.01 | Lloir | u wanna come trail cable thru my house? :P |
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| 14:18.28 | liable | so its so hard to sit where a cable is for a 20 minute install? |
| 14:18.32 | cantido | liable: once you have a working-ish system you can pull the bits you need in with a usb stick or cdr |
| 14:18.54 | liable | cantido: thats a very painfull way to do things |
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| 14:19.26 | cantido | well, if using a cable is more painful it balances out :\ |
| 14:19.33 | Lloir | liable, not being funny or anything but u have no idea how far my pc is from the router for a start |
| 14:19.57 | cantido | Lloir: you have a desktop machine with wifi for its main connection? |
| 14:20.07 | Lloir | does it really matter? |
| 14:20.12 | pif | hi, when installing iceweasel extenstions (xul-ext-*) they don't appear in add-ons, any idea? |
| 14:20.20 | TheJoe | So all the GRUB troubles I was having that I destroyed 80GB of music trying to fix, raped my OCD organisation of hard drvies with and spent 3 days fixing were all because I had the BIOS set to boot from the wrong drive |
| 14:20.24 | liable | Lloir: you're right, i dont. but surely moving your box to a cable is the easiest way to do it? |
| 14:20.51 | Lloir | no my box weighs a ton :( |
| 14:20.59 | liable | literally? |
| 14:21.01 | cantido | TheJoe: how did you manage to trash 80GB of music with grub??! |
| 14:21.01 | Lloir | woulda otherwise tbh |
| 14:21.07 | Lloir | just really heavy lol |
| 14:21.22 | liable | don't be such a lazy ass! |
| 14:21.25 | TheJoe | cantido: I figured "Hey, maybe my music partition is somehow fuckign with it" |
| 14:21.29 | Lloir | lol |
| 14:21.31 | Lloir | :p |
| 14:21.34 | cantido | Lloir: download one of the bigger images with gnome etc on.. you'll need to actually use a shell at some point though |
| 14:22.00 | cantido | TheJoe: because either the MBR (assuming you have a PC here) or /boot is on your music partition? |
| 14:22.03 | liable | Lloir: what wireless chip is it? |
| 14:22.08 | Lloir | Zydas |
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| 14:22.13 | liable | ugh |
| 14:22.19 | TheJoe | cantido: Boot was on the same drive as the music |
| 14:22.24 | liable | thats madwifi/ath5k innit? |
| 14:22.32 | Lloir | madwifi |
| 14:22.39 | Lloir | pain in the ass on debian tbh |
| 14:22.43 | TheJoe | I was just so pissed with the whole thing I was willing to do anything |
| 14:22.44 | liable | or there is newer support for zydas |
| 14:22.46 | cantido | there is zd1200 or something too.. |
| 14:22.54 | Lloir | cantido, it's the same thing |
| 14:22.55 | liable | Lloir: which installer you using? |
| 14:22.59 | liable | stable? |
| 14:23.08 | cantido | Lloir: as madwifi.. with is Atheros? |
| 14:23.15 | cantido | Lloir: s/with/which/ |
| 14:23.16 | Lloir | nah cba with lenny again had problems with it b4 |
| 14:23.31 | Lloir | gonna use Squeeze YES I KNOW IT'S TESTING |
| 14:23.44 | liable | Lloir: you sure madwifi supports it? |
| 14:23.58 | Lloir | well it /did/ |
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| 14:24.08 | liable | because you can try the debian-eeepc installer (usb stick image) |
| 14:24.12 | cantido | ok, so atheros bought zydas by the look of it |
| 14:24.32 | Lloir | cantido, http://wiki.debian.org/zd1211rw |
| 14:24.35 | TheJoe | Exaile just reminded me that my collection is empty.... *sigh* |
| 14:25.10 | cantido | Lloir: looks like it needs firmware |
| 14:25.11 | p0g0 | madwifi doesn't support the zydas stuff iirc |
| 14:25.29 | p0g0 | but yes, atheros bought Zydas |
| 14:25.33 | liable | pokes p0g0 |
| 14:25.34 | Lloir | anyway how did we get to my wifi from me asking if it just need 1st dvd |
| 14:25.41 | p0g0 | mebbe 2-3 years back |
| 14:26.02 | cantido | Lloir: probably someone suggested using the netinst |
| 14:26.17 | Lloir | lol yea :p |
| 14:26.22 | Lloir | tho now ur all awake |
| 14:26.50 | Lloir | i can ask a Q bout my wifi anyway it keeps dropping out....when i download stuff or got a high ammount of traffic coming thru eg bit torrent etc |
| 14:26.55 | p0g0 | tosses a hairy nosed wombat at liable |
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| 14:27.03 | Lloir | it dies and needs a reboot to fix and then it'll carry on |
| 14:27.05 | cantido | Personally, I avoid installing the desktop tasks etc from the install and just install the xorg core and desktop core packages once the base is installed, but everyone to their own |
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| 14:28.00 | cantido | Lloir: sounds like the card is getting hot or otherwise crashing and the driver isnt able to reset it.. wifi hardware is basically shit |
| 14:28.20 | Kazuha | That sounds almost like my DSL modem. |
| 14:28.21 | Lloir | yea but no problems with it on ubuntu or windows (yes i know ubuntu sucks) |
| 14:28.45 | Lloir | USED to happen on ubuntu btw but it seems to have "fixed" |
| 14:29.06 | cantido | Lloir: ok, sounds like it got fixed in a newer release of the driver then |
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| 14:29.07 | p0g0 | Lloir: more likely the driver, I'd guess- you can likely improve that by improving the signal (better antenna), & turning off background scanning |
| 14:29.13 | sander_m | !ssb |
| 14:29.13 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 14:29.20 | Kazuha | Which crashes whenever too many connections are active at the same time. |
| 14:29.34 | cantido | Lloir: just saying "it works in ubuntu" means little.. if you gave a kernel version etc that would be more useful |
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| 14:29.55 | sander_m | Hi. I followed the above SSB instructions (I only replaced Sid with Squeeze) but it's not working for me. It build the package from Lenny source, not Squeeze source |
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| 14:30.14 | Lloir | cantido, god knows what kernel ubuntu is using atm |
| 14:30.15 | Lloir | 1sec |
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| 14:31.02 | cantido | messages in dmesg would probably shed light on whats happening |
| 14:31.09 | p0g0 | Lloir: if you've done a recent upgrade, and it's a supported atheros chipset, you've probably changed from the madwifi driver to the ath5k. |
| 14:31.24 | greycat | Am I just not seeing the answer, or is there REALLY no hook to put in interfaces(5) to invoke a dynamic DNS setting *COMMAND* (not some weird special dhcp3-client built-in crap) that contains the interfaces's new IPv4 address as a parameter or environment variable of some kind? |
| 14:31.45 | Lloir | well lets see if the problem still exists in squeeze if it dont ima be happy |
| 14:31.58 | greycat | Do I honestly have to parse the output of `ip -4 addr show dev eth0` and extract the IPv4 address in a script? |
| 14:32.00 | Lloir | if it does i'll b able to give u logs then |
| 14:32.04 | Lloir | *if it does happen |
| 14:32.40 | cantido | you could use the 2.6.30 backport and see if that works too |
| 14:33.04 | Lloir | hmm |
| 14:33.12 | greycat | I don't recall such incredibly BASIC functionality being missing back in my pppd/dial-up days. |
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| 14:34.04 | EagleScreen | hello |
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| 14:34.37 | joltcan | greycat: there are hooks to dhcp3-client you can use? |
| 14:34.41 | greycat | I checked interfaces(5) and dhclient.conf(5) and dhclient-script(8) and Google. No luck. |
| 14:34.53 | greycat | joltcan: I would have thought so too, but I'm just not seeing them. |
| 14:34.57 | Lloir | p0g0 \ cantido u both gonna be around in like 1hr? |
| 14:34.58 | EagleScreen | how can I install Debian Squeeze (testing) in a computer without CD-ROM drive? use an usb-stick would be nice |
| 14:35.05 | joltcan | greycat: have a look in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d |
| 14:35.13 | Justin | greycat: doesn't if-up.d work? |
| 14:35.22 | cantido | EagleScreen: you can install from usb if your bios is recent enough |
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| 14:35.27 | nan8 | thinks the default desktop task would be much better if it just dropped tomboy and therefore the mono stuff - seems like this is #491840? |
| 14:35.36 | joltcan | greycat: I use if [ "$new_ip_address" != "$old_ip_address" ]; then do_something; fi |
| 14:35.40 | greycat | Justin: sounds like a directory name of some kind. Where's it documented? |
| 14:35.42 | EagleScreen | yes, it is cantido, but where are usb images fo testing? |
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| 14:35.48 | Justin | greycat: no idea :) |
| 14:35.52 | cantido | EagleScreen: on the debian installer page IIRC |
| 14:36.01 | Justin | greycat: it's teh same as the 'up' command in interfaces |
| 14:36.15 | joltcan | greycat: and yes, its a directory where you put a script, like the example I just pasted to you |
| 14:36.23 | Psi-Jack | Heh. |
| 14:37.01 | Psi-Jack | I have a funny scenario. Apparently the Tier III System Admin where my company's using to host our servers from, say that it's not possible to "directly route" to a Windows server, but it's fine to Linux. We're talking LVS here. |
| 14:37.14 | greycat | Justin: interfaces(5) lists several environment variables made available to "post-up" or other commands, and not a single one of them is the address. All I can get in the post-up script is the "logical" or "physical" name of the interface (and no explanation of what the difference is), so I conclude I have to parse the output of `ip -4 addr show dev $IFACE` or similar. |
| 14:37.36 | Justin | greycat: ah, yeah, i've used IFACE, never needed the ip |
| 14:37.53 | Justin | greycat: though you shouldn't really need it either, any ddns client will handle that for you |
| 14:38.04 | greycat | *sigh* |
| 14:38.09 | joltcan | greycat: are you ignoring me? |
| 14:38.15 | Justin | greycat: why are you making this more complicated than it needs to be? |
| 14:38.19 | greycat | joltcan: sorry, no, I can only type so fast. |
| 14:38.40 | greycat | Justin: I have an existing infrastructure of Linux and HP-UX machines with a dync/dynd client/server pair ALREADY in place. |
| 14:38.55 | p0g0 | Lloir: probably not. |
| 14:38.56 | joltcan | greycat: put a file in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d, and use if [ "$new_ip_address" != "$old_ip_address" ]; then update_dynstuff; fi |
| 14:39.07 | Justin | greycat: dync doesn't support just passing it an interface name? |
| 14:39.16 | greycat | Justin: If I have to rip all that out and replace it with something you're calling "ddns" then it's a LOT more work than finding out the correct way to do "post-up /usr/local/sbin/dync $IPV4_ADDRESS" or whatever. |
| 14:40.36 | greycat | joltcan: I see new_ip_address in dhclient-script(8) now. Thanks. I guess I'll have to go that way.... |
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| 14:42.02 | EagleScreen | i am looking here http://people.debian.org/~joeyh/d-i/images/daily/ for a usb-hdd Debian image, I was expecting some .img imago to write with dd |
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| 14:43.06 | Lloir | ok no probs thanks anyway p0g0 :) |
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| 14:51.42 | greycat | observes the lack of documentation of dhclient-exit-hooks.d in the manual and has to guess what its semantics are, since the manual only talks about "/etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks script" |
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| 14:54.05 | greycat | I don't see old_ip_address in the manual at all. |
| 14:54.29 | Titan8990_ | greycat, shhh, its perfect |
| 14:56.18 | greycat | .../hooks.d/debug says the variables come from /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-script but that doesn't exist. |
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| 15:01.40 | saltthefries | Did something weird happen to libk5crypto3 in Lenny? I'm not seeing it on packages.debian.org, apt-get removed it, and now ssh-keyscan is not happy. |
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| 15:04.52 | saltthefries | Ahh, I see #557929 |
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| 15:05.45 | refreshFSN | so debian seems to be throttling my bandwidth somehow. my main suspect is torrent traffic. anyone has any idea what it might be? |
| 15:06.26 | smacnay | hmm, due to package conflicts, I can't install bug-buddy to report a bug in rhythmbox. |
| 15:06.27 | hologram | why would you suspect debian rather than your isp? |
| 15:06.37 | greycat | A debian system does not do any bandwidth shaping out of the box. |
| 15:06.43 | smacnay | guess that is what I get for running sid |
| 15:07.37 | refreshFSN | hologram: i dont have any bandwidth issues with my xp machine |
| 15:07.59 | hologram | refreshFSN: is the torrent client on your xp machine set to limit upstream to a certain number? |
| 15:08.13 | refreshFSN | nope |
| 15:08.43 | saltthefries | Does XP torrent faster than Debian then? |
| 15:08.44 | hologram | refreshFSN: what client are you running on debian and what client on xp? |
| 15:09.20 | saltthefries | or are you running XP at the same time Debian's torrenting, and XP is speedy browsing the web, etc? |
| 15:09.23 | refreshFSN | utorrent on xp, and ive tryed deluge, transmission and rtorrent on debian |
| 15:10.00 | hologram | refreshFSN: additionally, assuming you have assigned a different ip address to the debian box, have you properly forwarded the relevant ports to the debian box in your router and set whichever client you use on debian to use those ports? |
| 15:10.14 | hologram | refreshFSN: bottom line is there is no way debian itself is actually throttling your torrent activity |
| 15:10.29 | Justin | all recent bittorrent clients support upnp which is much more reliable than manually forwarding ports |
| 15:10.33 | smacnay | refreshFSN, check to make sure that the torrent software has not been set for a maximum up or download speed - although I think these settings are wide open by default. |
| 15:11.06 | refreshFSN | well its strange to me also, but ive tested speed with torrent clients turned off on speedtest.net on both machines |
| 15:11.11 | hologram | Justin: that's great in theory. but realistically you want to forward the ports in your router/firewall otherwise you will only be connecting to a limited amount of peers vs potential |
| 15:11.44 | Justin | again, all recent bittorrent clients support upnp which is much more reliable than manually forwarding ports |
| 15:12.29 | hologram | can you back up this claim? |
| 15:12.40 | hologram | im not arguing that upnp is supported |
| 15:12.43 | refreshFSN | debian machines gives 0.8Mb/s and XP gives almost 4Mb/s. when i reboot my debian machine i get full bandwith but after running a torrent client it throttles to 0.8 |
| 15:12.50 | hologram | but how is more reliable than proper port forwarding? |
| 15:13.51 | saltthefries | It might also be worth checking the number of connections that are generated. If your Debian system is generating a bunch of links it could overload a cheap router. |
| 15:14.16 | hologram | once the tracker sees you as being unconnectable for any reason your swarm is reduced. this just does not happen when port forwarding is done manually and verified from the wan side |
| 15:14.41 | refreshFSN | saltthefries: how can i check that? on my router or on debian? |
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| 15:15.18 | XLV | refreshFSN, speedtests are not indicative, download something from a fast host, eg nvidia or microsoft |
| 15:16.11 | refreshFSN | XLV: ive tryed lots of sources and its obvious that dl speed is 80-90kbps max |
| 15:16.41 | refreshFSN | but after a reboot it goes full speed |
| 15:16.57 | refreshFSN | brb, just to test something... |
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| 15:17.01 | saltthefries | refreshFSN, look in your torrent client for a list of peers. Anybody you're uploading or downloading with. |
| 15:18.23 | Justin | s/nvidia or microsoft/akamai/ |
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| 15:23.35 | TheJoe | error while loading shared libraries: libemeraldengine.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory <-- anyone know how to fix this, by any chance? |
| 15:23.40 | TheJoe | I manually compiled emerald |
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| 15:23.45 | TheJoe | 0.7.6 |
| 15:24.24 | refreshFSN | ok, i dont need to reboot, i just need to disconnect and connect to my wireless router and then i have full bandwidth again |
| 15:24.40 | greycat | TheJoe: add the directory in which that file is installed, to the /etc/ld.so.conf file and then run ldconfig |
| 15:25.59 | TheJoe | greycat: Ah |
| 15:26.04 | saltthefries | refreshFSN, sounds like the wrath of a cheap router. You might want to limit the number of peers your torrent client connects to. It should be in the preferences. |
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| 15:26.22 | Justin | peers usually isn't the problem, DHT is |
| 15:26.47 | refreshFSN | ok, ill mess with the preferences then |
| 15:27.02 | Justin | DHT wreaks havoc if the router has a small ammount of memory and it is trying to do connection tracking across UDP flows |
| 15:27.11 | refreshFSN | thank you for your help |
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| 15:27.55 | refreshFSN | i can try turning dht off just to isolate the problem |
| 15:28.05 | Justin | hologram: google upnp, stop talking about things you know nothing about. |
| 15:28.23 | saltthefries | good to know, Justin... I tend to do most of my downloading over rapidshare these days for a number of reasons |
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| 15:28.51 | TheJoe | greycat: It worked, thanks |
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| 15:29.43 | greycat | Only reason I even know what DHT is, is because I had to learn about it and figure out how to turn it on, the other day, when piratebay's trackers took a vacation. |
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| 15:33.16 | greycat | dpkg, dyndns hook is <reply> interfaces(5) has no hooks that provide the (new) IP address to your dyndns client program, but dhclient does. Unfortunately it's not documented well. Create a new script in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d and use the $new_ip_address variable. |
| 15:33.16 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
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| 15:34.07 | greycat | (by "well" I really mean "at all") |
| 15:35.29 | \amethyst | greycat: it's in man dhclient-script |
| 15:36.08 | greycat | It isn't. I looked really really hard. The new_ip_address variable is mentioned briefly, but not that directory, nor the old_ip_address variable, .... |
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| 15:36.50 | hologram | Justin: im familiar with upnp. what you are talking about is great in theory. but the reality is most trackers will end up seeing you as unconnectable when using upnp vs true port forwarding. what this translates to is fewer peers. when you are on a torrent with hundreds of peers of course you will not notice a difference as your bandwidth will be hosed anyway. the difference is obvious when there are only a few peers none of which can c |
| 15:37.15 | Raydiation | concerning debian 6.0, will gnome 2.6.30 be included? |
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| 15:37.24 | \amethyst | greycat: oh, that's right, it just says "an executable /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks script" |
| 15:37.25 | Raydiation | argh |
| 15:37.27 | Raydiation | 2.30 xD |
| 15:37.39 | Justin | from the trackers point of view the ports forwarded using upnp are indistinguishable from 'true port forwarding' |
| 15:37.48 | Justin | hologram: stop talking about things you don't understand |
| 15:38.02 | hologram | i can see this is going nowhere |
| 15:38.10 | hologram | im talking from experience |
| 15:38.15 | Justin | yes, you fail to understand basic networking concepts |
| 15:38.31 | \amethyst | greycat: it does mention new_ip_address under 'BOUND', and the new_ and old_ prefixes under 'RENEW' |
| 15:38.54 | greycat | \amethyst: near as I can tell, the "documentation" is the /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d/debug script. And that documentation is really just a list of variable names with no explanation of what they mean or where they come from or how to use them. |
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| 15:41.33 | smacnay | can gdb export or > to a text file for reporting? |
| 15:41.54 | azeem_ | smacnay: yes there's an option/command for that |
| 15:42.03 | \amethyst | greycat: under BOUND it lists $new_ip_address, $interface, and $medium, and that dhcp-options are passed as variables starting with new_ and with hyphens in the option name replaced with _ . $reason is documented under 'OPERATION' |
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| 15:42.21 | smacnay | azeem_, thanks - within gdb session? |
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| 15:43.24 | smacnay | azeem_, -c "file" might be it |
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| 15:45.15 | \amethyst | greycat: but the lack of mention of the .d directories is definitely a documentation bug, and the variable stuff could probably be made easier to find |
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| 15:45.40 | JyZyXEL | firefox is a pretty crappy browser on linux |
| 15:45.54 | greycat | I'm actually most surprised by the fact that I couldn't find ANY mention of any of this when I googled for it. That was the first thing I did. |
| 15:46.06 | iceroot | JyZyXEL: why? |
| 15:46.17 | greycat | Are you implying it's less crappy on some other OS? |
| 15:46.18 | JyZyXEL | the damn thing needs to be restarted every few days |
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| 15:46.24 | JyZyXEL | greycat: yes i am |
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| 15:46.53 | Justin | JyZyXEL: depends what you use it for |
| 15:46.59 | JyZyXEL | also it might just be one particular binary plugin from adobe thats causing the crappyness |
| 15:47.05 | Justin | iceweasel has been running on one of my machines here since july |
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| 15:47.37 | johndoe | do you guys know of a good C programming tutorial? my buddy wants to start programming and i cant think of a good one. |
| 15:47.39 | saltthefries | yes, *cough* adobe *cough* |
| 15:47.43 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: I hope you're talking about flash and not acrobat reader |
| 15:47.58 | Justin | hopefully FF will implement multiprocess browsing like chrome, then most of the issues will disappear |
| 15:48.07 | Justin | johndoe: tell him to try a library |
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| 15:48.24 | JyZyXEL | \amethyst: oh god, they have acrobat for linux now? |
| 15:48.43 | johndoe | Justin: you mean multithread browsing |
| 15:48.43 | xreal | My debian-computer reboots every 20-30 minutes. Which logfiles are important? |
| 15:48.44 | \amethyst | they've had acrobat reader for Linux for a long time |
| 15:48.50 | Justin | johndoe: no, multiprocess |
| 15:48.50 | ranix | Justin: I don't see that happening so soon after they totally revamped the memory management |
| 15:48.54 | saltthefries | they've always had it... not to many people use it |
| 15:48.55 | JyZyXEL | thats nasty |
| 15:49.10 | Justin | http://blog.mozilla.com/cjones/2009/06/21/multi-process-firefox-coming-to-an-internets-near-you/ |
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| 15:49.49 | Justin | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Content_Processes |
| 15:49.53 | beppe | hi to all! someone can explain how to install a Chicony webcam (embedded in Acer TM 5730)? tnx |
| 15:50.09 | xreal | My debian-computer reboots every 20-30 minutes. Which logfiles are important? |
| 15:50.20 | ranix | xreal: /var/log/syslog |
| 15:50.23 | Justin | xreal: run memtest? |
| 15:50.31 | xreal | Memtest => no problem occured. |
| 15:50.50 | ranix | you may have something as simple as a hardware power problem |
| 15:50.52 | xreal | Okay, I can access the computer in some hours, I will parse the syslog then on pastebin. |
| 15:50.55 | yoshx | hello |
| 15:51.08 | xreal | ranix: But why always about 20-30 minutes and not 20-30 seconds? |
| 15:51.10 | \amethyst | unfortunately if it's rebooting the logs might not have been written |
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| 15:52.05 | xreal | \amethyst: But there wouldn't also a shutdown be logged. |
| 15:52.13 | xreal | (bad english, sorry) |
| 15:52.19 | \amethyst | xreal: I might try booting in single-user mode and seeing if it still happens. If not, start up some daemons and see if it still does |
| 15:52.29 | \amethyst | xreal: is it doing a shutdown, or just rebooting? |
| 15:52.53 | xreal | Have to read about single-user mode. |
| 15:52.57 | xreal | Rebooting. |
| 15:53.04 | xreal | Knoppix and Debian Live Linux work... |
| 15:53.09 | xreal | Perhaps a AMD64 bug? |
| 15:53.31 | \amethyst | it's probably some kind of hardware or driver program |
| 15:53.37 | Justin | xreal: could also try http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/10/fighting-bad-memories-stressful.html |
| 15:53.45 | \amethyst | though you might see if an amd64 Debian Live works |
| 15:54.03 | xreal | \amethyst: Oh, let my try and AMD64 debian live, good idea. |
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| 15:54.32 | saltthefries | xreal: any binary modules? Nvidia, etc? |
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| 15:55.00 | datacrusher | hi everyone! i got a debian file server, and when we got for some reason to turn of the server, when it comes back the samba sharing is not available. If i restart samba from the terminal everything goes fine... My concern is that im going on vacation, and happened sometimes for me to come here just to restart samba... how do i manage to samba gets back to get up when the server is turned on, without loging in? |
| 15:55.11 | xreal | saltthefries: Nvidia onoard |
| 15:55.19 | xreal | onboard |
| 15:55.32 | \amethyst | xreal: what X driver are you using? nv or nvidia? |
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| 15:55.51 | xreal | mainboard: Gigabyte MA78GM-UD2H |
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| 15:55.59 | xreal | amethyst: no X online |
| 15:56.04 | \amethyst | datacrusher: I'm assuming you do have /etc/rc2.d/S??samba |
| 15:56.05 | xreal | bash via ssh only |
| 15:56.12 | ranix | datacrusher: datacrusher do you have /etc/rc2.d/S20samba |
| 15:56.21 | xreal | oops, it's AMD - not nvidia! |
| 15:56.26 | ranix | datacrusher: and are you starting in runlevel 2? |
| 15:56.28 | saltthefries | well, I'd try the amd64 live cd, since it won't have the nvidia binary module. If it behaves, then I'd say the nvidia driver is a key suspect. |
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| 15:56.46 | beppe | hi to all! someone can explain how to install a Chicony webcam (embedded in Acer TM 5730)? tnx |
| 15:56.48 | \amethyst | xreal: but you're not using X at all? that probably rules out the video drivers |
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| 15:57.43 | saltthefries | xreal: I'd consider using OSS ati drivers if I wasn't running X |
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| 15:58.01 | ranix | saltthefries: some of the OSS ati drivers are good |
| 15:58.15 | cahoot | beppe: lsusb will probably tell you its usbId - a good starting point for googling |
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| 15:58.59 | \amethyst | ranix: I have to use the free radeon driver, since the non-free drivers don't support my card anymore |
| 15:59.02 | xreal | saltthefries: I don't need the graphic at all. |
| 15:59.13 | saltthefries | ranix: so I've heard... all the more reason to try them if you're not running graphics on the machine |
| 15:59.15 | refreshFSN | so, about that bandwidth issue...just to let you know that it seems to be working ok now. ive turned dht off and lowered max number of connections |
| 15:59.20 | refreshFSN | thanks again :) |
| 15:59.31 | beppe | sure, and after hours of googling I ask here |
| 15:59.40 | beppe | cahoot, sure, and after hours of googling I ask here |
| 15:59.40 | saltthefries | xreal, I wouldn't taint my kernel with the binary ATI drivers then |
| 15:59.41 | \amethyst | saltthefries: if you're not doing graphics, why would you need them at all? |
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| 16:00.10 | cahoot | beppe: so what usbid? |
| 16:00.28 | xreal | saltthefries: could you give me a hint, how to download them? |
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| 16:00.44 | beppe | cahoot, ID 04f2:b044 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd |
| 16:00.49 | saltthefries | \ametheyst: you wouldn't... unless you were doing something weird like GPGPU / stream processing |
| 16:01.17 | beppe | cahoot, I try to compile gspca mod but get several errors |
| 16:01.20 | datacrusher | ranix, checking, wait a sex |
| 16:01.21 | datacrusher | sec |
| 16:01.31 | ranix | ooh baby |
| 16:01.32 | saltthefries | xreal: you shouldn't need to download them... they should be in the kernel... you want to disable the ATI proprietary drivers |
| 16:01.40 | \amethyst | xreal: ignore the video driver stuff... if you're not running X and you don't have the fglrx or nvidia kernel modules installed from non-free, it's not an issue for you |
| 16:01.49 | xreal | Perhaps I want to install KDE on it ... |
| 16:02.03 | cahoot | beppe: tried module-assistant? |
| 16:02.07 | saltthefries | I was under the impression that he already had fglrx |
| 16:02.14 | datacrusher | ranix, no, theres no s20samba on rc2.d |
| 16:02.48 | ranix | xreal: the ati and radeon drivers are synonymous iirc, but if you have an X2xx or something or above then use radeonhd instead |
| 16:03.16 | greycat | I thought he wasn't even running X. |
| 16:03.17 | ranix | maybe x100 or above? I lost track of the numbering scheme after then 9800 HD/GT/GTO/VR6 |
| 16:03.19 | alnr | hi all. /etc/init.d/mydaemon stop fails. mydaemon start does start-stop-daemon --pidfile ... --start mydaemon2 which invokes tcpserver ...myserver. when i start-stop-daemon --pidfile ... --stop mydaemon, it only kills mydaemon2 but not tcpserver. Any ideas why it doesnt bring down tcpserver as well? |
| 16:03.21 | xreal | ATI Radeon HD3200 is onboard |
| 16:03.21 | beppe | cahoot, no. can u explain better? in the source path I do ... or where? tnx |
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| 16:04.09 | datacrusher | \amethyst, how do i set samba to rc.2 |
| 16:04.10 | cahoot | beppe: module-assistant is debians tool for building some modules |
| 16:04.38 | \amethyst | datacrusher: is there anything in /etc/rc2.d/ that has 'samba' in the name? |
| 16:04.44 | datacrusher | no |
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| 16:05.23 | ranix | datacrusher: ln -s /etc/init.d/samba /etc/rc2.d/S20samba |
| 16:05.28 | \amethyst | datacrusher: update-rc.d samba defaults 20 19 |
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| 16:05.44 | ranix | datacrusher: \amethyst is more correct than me |
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| 16:05.56 | \amethyst | datacrusher: that should have happened when you installed samba |
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| 16:06.11 | datacrusher | i got this message System startup links for /etc/init.d/samba already exist. |
| 16:06.28 | ranix | that's unusual |
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| 16:06.36 | \amethyst | datacrusher: what does ls -l /etc/rc*.d/???samba say? |
| 16:06.47 | xreal | If I want to install KDE on my Debian, which drivers do I need for my ATI HD3200 ? |
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| 16:07.10 | datacrusher | ls -l /etc/rc*.d/???samba |
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| 16:07.10 | datacrusher | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Ago 27 2008 /etc/rc0.d/K19samba -> ../init.d/samba |
| 16:07.10 | datacrusher | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Ago 27 2008 /etc/rc1.d/K19samba -> ../init.d/samba |
| 16:07.10 | datacrusher | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Ago 27 2008 /etc/rc4.d/S20samba -> ../init.d/samba |
| 16:07.10 | datacrusher | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Ago 27 2008 /etc/rc5.d/S20samba -> ../init.d/samba |
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| 16:07.21 | beppe | cahoot, ok. the readme file says "./gspca_build ". maybe is wrong? what I must do instead? |
| 16:07.22 | ranix | datacrusher: do a ln -s /etc/init.d/samba /etc/rc2.d/S20samba |
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| 16:07.31 | ranix | datacrusher: do a ln -s /etc/init.d/samba /etc/rc2.d/S20samba |
| 16:07.31 | datacrusher | oops sorry |
| 16:07.39 | \amethyst | datacrusher: sorry, I should have specified to pastebin |
| 16:07.49 | ranix | that should fix it adequately |
| 16:07.56 | saltthefries | xreal: I would suggest figuring out why your machine crashes every 30 minutes first |
| 16:07.58 | ranix | I do wonder why it got removed though |
| 16:08.01 | \amethyst | datacrusher: so somehow the links for runlevel 2 and 3 got removed |
| 16:08.03 | ranix | it's very strange |
| 16:08.07 | \amethyst | datacrusher: or never got created |
| 16:08.10 | cahoot | beppe: use module-assistant |
| 16:08.31 | datacrusher | this server was etch, iv updated it to lenny |
| 16:08.37 | datacrusher | it lost on the proccess i think |
| 16:08.42 | ranix | another administrator did a munged rm in /etc/rc2.d maybe |
| 16:08.46 | datacrusher | should i be concernd about the level 3 too? |
| 16:08.57 | ranix | datacrusher: yeah I'd put it in there |
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| 16:09.25 | \amethyst | datacrusher: I would create the link with ln -s ../init.d/samba /etc/rc2.d/S20samba though |
| 16:09.47 | \amethyst | datacrusher: with a ../ relative symlink instead of an /etc/ absolute symlink |
| 16:09.58 | datacrusher | now i got this http://pastebin.com/d6095fc56 |
| 16:10.11 | datacrusher | oh, i see |
| 16:10.14 | alnr | if anyone saw my question, is this a reason my daemon script should do exec tcpserver instead of just tcpserver? |
| 16:10.19 | datacrusher | thats why they are different |
| 16:10.23 | datacrusher | ill do it again |
| 16:10.25 | ranix | that should be fine |
| 16:10.26 | ranix | ok |
| 16:10.31 | \amethyst | yeah, it should work like this |
| 16:10.36 | beppe | cahoot, so, from /usr/src/modules/gspca I start module-assistant ... |
| 16:10.41 | ranix | it's more consistent to do ../ |
| 16:10.47 | ranix | I didn't realize they were relative |
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| 16:11.35 | \amethyst | but there might be some programs that get confused; and it makes a difference if you e.g. mount this filesystem from a recovery CD |
| 16:11.35 | cahoot | beppe: just cd to /usr/src - then run m-a |
| 16:11.47 | datacrusher | now they are padronized |
| 16:11.53 | greycat | alnr: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/WrapperScript |
| 16:12.06 | datacrusher | thanks very much ranix and \amethyst |
| 16:12.13 | datacrusher | such a nice and fast help, keep it up |
| 16:12.26 | \amethyst | datacrusher: of course you'll want to test |
| 16:12.27 | datacrusher | ill reboot the server when i can, but it will surely work now |
| 16:12.53 | \amethyst | datacrusher: you don't need to reboot... do init 1 to switch to single-user mode, make sure they're not running, then init 2 to switch back to multiuser mode |
| 16:13.15 | \amethyst | datacrusher: it should start up now when switching to runlevel 2 |
| 16:13.53 | JyZyXEL | how to generate randomness that can be used as a file name? |
| 16:14.05 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: mktemp |
| 16:14.47 | alnr | greycat: nice find thanks. more or less my exact scenario except i havent incorporated softlimit (yet). so i guess that is the reason for exec, to make its subject run with the same pid |
| 16:15.07 | JyZyXEL | \amethyst: but it doesn't allow me to adjust the length :( |
| 16:15.13 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: it's a race condition to pick the name then create it later; mktemp actually creates the file to make sure it doesn't pick a name that exists |
| 16:15.14 | greycat | alnr: yes |
| 16:15.32 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: sure it does... mktemp tmp.XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX |
| 16:15.43 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: the Xes will be replaced with random stuff |
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| 16:15.47 | kaushal | hi |
| 16:15.58 | kaushal | I use deb mirror to populate the local mirror. It keeps on aborting |
| 16:15.59 | kaushal | and then gets disconnected with the below error |
| 16:15.59 | kaushal | [ 2%] Getting: pool/main/u/ubuntu-docs/ubuntu-docs_9.04.10_all.deb... |
| 16:15.59 | kaushal | Transfer truncated: only 2245237 out of 3974416 bytes received |
| 16:15.59 | kaushal | WARNING: releasing 1 pending lock... |
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| 16:16.32 | JyZyXEL | im sure there was some dd /dev/random trick |
| 16:16.34 | greycat | kaushal: please go to #ubuntu for Ubuntu support. |
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| 16:16.52 | kaushal | greycat, Thanks |
| 16:16.52 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: (if you specify the template like that, it will default to creating it in the current dir; you can use --tmpdir to put it in the temporary dir |
| 16:17.15 | JyZyXEL | mktemp -u XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.zip |
| 16:17.17 | JyZyXEL | mktemp: too few X's in template `XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.zip' |
| 16:17.21 | datacrusher | well, i got 20 users using the file server right now... im worried to do it now... since my test it with power outtage, ill do a shutdown properly to test if i can go to vacation peacefully |
| 16:17.29 | greycat | or just a nice traditional ${TMPDIR:-/tmp}/foo.XXXXXXXX |
| 16:17.41 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: mktemp -u XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX --suffix=.zip |
| 16:17.42 | JyZyXEL | i just want to echo random file names and not create anything |
| 16:17.51 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: why? |
| 16:17.51 | greycat | \amethyst: ewww. |
| 16:17.57 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: you realize that's unsafe? |
| 16:17.57 | JyZyXEL | cause i need it |
| 16:18.07 | JyZyXEL | unsafe how |
| 16:18.12 | Hydroxide | JyZyXEL: just use something like pwgen ... |
| 16:18.23 | greycat | JyZyXEL: it's a race condition, as you were already told. use mktemp, echo the filename, and then rm the file. |
| 16:18.29 | \amethyst | in between the time you pick the filename and open/create the file, someone could have created a new file with that name |
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| 16:18.46 | Hydroxide | JyZyXEL: if you're just trying to create random strings of stuff. but yes, it's unsafe if you're actually working with temporary files |
| 16:18.46 | greycat | and if Debian's mktemp really doesn't let you use ${TMPDIR:-/tmp}/foo.XXXXXXXX in a single argument, kill it with a rusty knife. |
| 16:18.52 | \amethyst | or, worse, a symlink pointing to a nonexistent file in your home directory |
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| 16:19.00 | JyZyXEL | im jsut trying to create random strings |
| 16:19.04 | greycat | if you just want random passwords, use pwgen instead. |
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| 16:19.44 | Hydroxide | greycat: apparently mktemp -t will do the same logic without having to specify ${TMPDIR:-/tmp} explicitly |
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| 16:19.50 | Hydroxide | greycat: according to the manpage |
| 16:19.58 | \amethyst | Hydroxide: yes, but is not as portable |
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| 16:20.29 | greycat | arc3:~$ mktemp ${TMPDIR:-/tmp}/foo.XXXXXXXX |
| 16:20.29 | greycat | /tmp/foo.naHidDMx |
| 16:20.30 | Hydroxide | \amethyst: well, unless it's standardized in POSIX you're not going to have any portability guarantee anyway |
| 16:20.36 | greycat | There. No rusty silverware required. |
| 16:21.06 | greycat | mktemp is not standard. It doesn't even exist on most Unixes, and some of them require mktemp -s. |
| 16:21.23 | alnr | greycat: s/nice find/nice wiki/ |
| 16:21.34 | Hydroxide | yeah, was about to check the standard, but I didn't assume it was portable |
| 16:21.37 | I-Hop | i'm having a weird issue, and i'm wondering if anybody can give me any other places to look. I've got a debian server thats been running very good till yesterday..its been hanging right after the daily cron job. Every day.. and i knkow this because i've checked the syslog..(latest stable version of debian) |
| 16:21.38 | jelly | greycat: oooh, more than six Xs, fancy |
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| 16:21.43 | JyZyXEL | pwgen sucks |
| 16:21.48 | JyZyXEL | its clearly creating passwords |
| 16:21.52 | greycat | Solaris (at least the versions I used) has NO mktemp(1) analogue whatsoever. |
| 16:21.52 | greycat | alnr: heh :) |
| 16:22.01 | greycat | JyZyXEL: what do you want? |
| 16:22.05 | jelly | greycat: so we port it! |
| 16:22.22 | themill | JyZyXEL: what did you expect pwgen to generate? |
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| 16:22.47 | Hydroxide | the mktemp() legacy C function and the mkstemp() non-legacy C function are in POSIX, though |
| 16:22.51 | JyZyXEL | i wanted random strings and not passwords |
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| 16:23.00 | jelly | ... |
| 16:23.04 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: are the passwords not random? |
| 16:23.08 | Hydroxide | JyZyXEL: you can still combine that with the relevant prefix and suffix. random passwords count as random strings |
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| 16:23.17 | greycat | JyZyXEL: specify what KIND of strings you want. |
| 16:23.17 | greycat | JyZyXEL: we can't answer vague questions. |
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| 16:23.23 | Kazuha | Could someone *keep* this channel on +r? |
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| 16:23.37 | JyZyXEL | like RXa6HwiRBb-VX1j3g913frR~WcNx30QmUgduLcK-kkQ4 |
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| 16:23.48 | Kazuha | And could someone k-line that idiot? |
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| 16:23.54 | MayaT | ~gtg~ bye all |
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| 16:24.00 | jelly | JyZyXEL: your issue seems to be both a RTFM (read about -s) and and a PEBKAC |
| 16:24.01 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: how is that not a random string? |
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| 16:24.06 | greycat | JyZyXEL: *sigh* explain the requirements in English. Examples don't really help when discussing random output. |
| 16:24.11 | Hydroxide | Kazuha: I don't think we want to exclude unidentified users from here |
| 16:24.14 | JyZyXEL | \amethyst: that is a random string |
| 16:24.16 | sn18 | Kazuha: Could someone *keep* this channel on +r? |
| 16:24.16 | sn18 | please |
| 16:24.18 | greycat | jelly: it's a !wayttd |
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| 16:24.45 | JyZyXEL | however pwgen makes shit like xai3aiph6phaesh8Le8mu#u'Wooj:u(f2soothie |
| 16:24.51 | JyZyXEL | and thats not a really good filename |
| 16:24.55 | jelly | greycat: the esteemed JyZyXEL has a habit of starting a question with "foo sucks" |
| 16:25.01 | JyZyXEL | its a good password |
| 16:25.02 | greycat | JyZyXEL: explain the criteria for your "random strings" |
| 16:25.04 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: so you want a random filename, not a random string |
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| 16:25.13 | Kazuha | *I'm* getting harassed by those dolts that come in here and try to send people files. |
| 16:25.22 | \amethyst | JyZyXEL: though that is a valid filename |
| 16:25.30 | I-Hop | could anybody point me to a /var/log to look at for my system hangs? |
| 16:25.39 | Hydroxide | JyZyXEL: pwgen has options that let you customize what characters it uses. check the man page |
| 16:25.42 | jelly | Kazuha: ignoring all the dcc queries does a decent cleanup for me |
| 16:25.57 | greycat | I-Hop: whatever has the latest mtime on it, right before the crash/reboot/whatever. |
| 16:26.06 | greycat | I-Hop: use "ls -lart" to show files in mtime order |
| 16:26.14 | I-Hop | greycat: ok |
| 16:26.27 | jelly | greycat: nice mnemonic |
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| 16:27.31 | Kazuha | I don't immediately see an option in Pidgin to block attempts to send me files. |
| 16:27.31 | wamty | I'm getting "Machine check events logged" and when I ran mcelog I got the following output: http://pastebin.com/d64f0e201 Can anyone help explain what this message means? |
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| 16:27.39 | wamty | im guessing bad memory but it is a bit cryptic |
| 16:28.39 | Kazuha | wamty: Run memtest86, if there's a memory problem, that *usually* will find it. |
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| 16:29.04 | Hydroxide | Kazuha: nowadays I'd recommend its derivative memtest86+ ... http://www.memtest.org/ |
| 16:29.32 | JyZyXEL | http://www.giangrandi.ch/soft/rndstr/rndstrbig.html |
| 16:29.35 | wamty | should I try memtest86+ in case of my problem? |
| 16:29.41 | JyZyXEL | that seems to make some high quality randomness |
| 16:29.49 | Pryon | wamty: only time I've seen that was a bad DIMM socket on my mobo. I imagine a bad DIMM could do it too. Try moving your DIMMS around and see if the error changes (or goes away!) |
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| 16:30.21 | blizzow | Have the flood jerks been alleviated? |
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| 16:30.41 | Kazuha | For now -- anyway. |
| 16:30.54 | Pryon | blizzow: I haven't seen any, but then I'm ignoring all DCC traffic now |
| 16:31.03 | rmayorga | they have like 3 days doing that |
| 16:31.03 | Kazuha | If by 'flood jerks' you mean the ones that are trying to send tonnes of DCC traffic. |
| 16:31.30 | Kazuha | I wonder how long it'll take Freenode to k-line them all? |
| 16:31.34 | blizzow | Kazuha: yes, him, or them. |
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| 16:31.59 | Hydroxide | JyZyXEL: if it does what you want, then great. just keep in mind that if it a third party is a randomness and you're using it for any purpose where the randomness needs to be secret, you shouldn't trust it |
| 16:32.13 | I-Hop | i can't find anything wierd in the logs |
| 16:32.50 | Kazuha | What about the last timestamp in the log? Was the system running for a longer time than that? |
| 16:33.16 | Hydroxide | JyZyXEL: err, I meant to say "if a third party is generating your randomness" |
| 16:33.20 | I-Hop | i don't understand what you are asking Kazuha |
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| 16:34.16 | Kazuha | I've seen errors caused by faulty hardware, or just underpowered drives, where the system crashes, but it doesn't show up in the logs -- because the log wasn't yet written to disk at the time the fault occurred. |
| 16:34.43 | I-Hop | ah |
| 16:35.12 | JyZyXEL | Hydroxide: its ok, my CPU is a neural net processor; a learning computer that can detect real randomness |
| 16:35.27 | I-Hop | Kazuha: the only thing i know..is that directly after the daily cron job it crashes |
| 16:35.50 | I-Hop | i have no idea when that is.. and i haven't tampred with it. To my knowledge all the cron job does is cycle the logs |
| 16:36.02 | \amethyst | sn18: follow the 'CategoryUnix' link and they're both listed |
| 16:36.04 | \amethyst | doh |
| 16:36.14 | Kazuha | How much space is free on /var? |
| 16:36.32 | I-Hop | how do i tell that command line? |
| 16:36.38 | \amethyst | df /var |
| 16:36.46 | sander | lenny->sid |
| 16:37.11 | I-Hop | its only 13% in use.. it has 2400804 available |
| 16:37.11 | wamty | now its complaining about bank12 and bank 8 as well |
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| 16:37.22 | sander | Whats the next distro called?.. the one after lenny? |
| 16:37.28 | greycat | squeeze |
| 16:37.30 | Kazuha | Also, if /var is mounted ro for some reason, I imagine it could cause errors. |
| 16:37.32 | wamty | \amethyst, you have great experience, may you have a look at my pastebin please? |
| 16:37.35 | sander | lenny->squeeze |
| 16:37.40 | wamty | http://pastebin.com/d64f0e201 |
| 16:37.47 | I-Hop | ro? |
| 16:38.00 | Kazuha | Read Only. |
| 16:38.07 | I-Hop | it shouldn't |
| 16:38.14 | sander | How do I upgrade to squeeze? |
| 16:38.27 | I-Hop | Kazuha: i mean it writes stuff in the logs..but just nothing that i can tell why its crashed |
| 16:38.29 | sander | Isnt there some instructions about that somewhere? |
| 16:38.30 | greycat | sander: you were close... /msg dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 16:38.38 | Kazuha | Unless there's an error -- which is causing it to remount read only. |
| 16:38.52 | \amethyst | wamty: yes, that's bad memory |
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| 16:38.59 | \amethyst | wamty: or a bad memory controller |
| 16:39.04 | Kazuha | Have you recently changed the number of drives in your system? |
| 16:39.10 | I-Hop | Kazuha: no |
| 16:39.26 | I-Hop | the only thing i've changed is firewall setups |
| 16:39.30 | Kazuha | Any odd clicks? |
| 16:39.35 | I-Hop | no |
| 16:39.45 | I-Hop | its a brand new hard drive |
| 16:39.53 | I-Hop | i mean like bought it two weeks ago |
| 16:39.57 | wamty | What should I do? |
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| 16:40.22 | \amethyst | wamty: try replacing the RAM in the banks that are failing |
| 16:40.29 | Kazuha | Is it a SATA drive? And what kernel are you using? |
| 16:41.29 | alnr | hi again. start-stop-daemon --stop --pidfile .. --exec /path/to/mydaemon fails with 'no /path/to/mydaemon running; none killed'. ps displays the running process as '/bin/sh /path/to/mydaemon'. what am i doing wrong? |
| 16:41.49 | greycat | you probably didn't start it with s-s-d |
| 16:42.07 | greycat | (e.g. your --pidfile .. doesn't exist...) |
| 16:42.18 | I-Hop | Kazuha: its a 250 gig PATA drive, and i'm using linux 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 16:42.22 | \amethyst | I'm sure '..' exists, but there was probably an error reading it :) |
| 16:43.18 | \amethyst | anyway, --exec won't work here |
| 16:43.58 | Kazuha | Hmmm... That pretty well excludes most hardware problems other than cable/controller failure. (And misjumpering) |
| 16:44.19 | alnr | i do start it with s-s-d, and the pidfile had been working (at least before i added the exec). i'll dbl check the pidfile really being there |
| 16:44.40 | \amethyst | alnr: --exec says "look for a process with this executable name" |
| 16:44.45 | I-Hop | Kazuha: is there a way to see if there has been any hardware troubles within linux? or |
| 16:44.47 | \amethyst | alnr: so it's not going to work with a script |
| 16:44.48 | Kazuha | I'd check to see what *else* the daily-cron does -- after rotating the logs? |
| 16:44.50 | alnr | \amethyst: i thought the --exec, .. what u said |
| 16:44.58 | I-Hop | i dunno what to do, because i can't figure out whats going on. |
| 16:44.59 | alnr | ohh |
| 16:45.29 | I-Hop | And usually if you have bad sectors or something the smart thing will yell at me |
| 16:45.32 | Kazuha | One way to spot errors with PATA drives is hdparm -- if there's been *any* error, they will usually turn dma off. |
| 16:45.40 | \amethyst | alnr: if you're daemonizing a shell script, pidfiles are really your only option |
| 16:45.43 | alnr | \amethyst: so , i thought that is optional and helps protect against killing a random process with the reused pid |
| 16:46.05 | Kazuha | hdparm is *dangerous*, don't use it without reading the man page -- period. |
| 16:46.06 | alnr | \amethyst: yes. so i have --pidfile on my start and stop |
| 16:46.26 | \amethyst | alnr: if you do use --exec you'll have to specify the interpreter name... so it will still protect you against killing some processes but not other processes with the same interpreter |
| 16:46.44 | I-Hop | Kazuha: ok..But like i said i don't think its a hard drive error..is there something that i can do so when it crashes next time i'll dump someplace? |
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| 16:47.36 | alnr | \amethyst: hmm, i coudnt write '--exec /bin/sh /path/to/mydaemon' ? |
| 16:48.21 | Kazuha | I've never found one -- best I can recommend is being on an actual tty during daily.cron -- that way, you'll see the stderr output. |
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| 16:48.45 | \amethyst | alnr: nope, --exec only checks the executable, not the arguments (not even argv[0] in fact) |
| 16:48.47 | I-Hop | how can i find out when the daily cron is? |
| 16:48.56 | I-Hop | well it seems to be around 8ish.. |
| 16:49.03 | \amethyst | alnr: -n checks argv[0], but also not the other arguments |
| 16:49.08 | Kazuha | I think you can manually run it -- but I'm not familiar with the method for execution. |
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| 16:50.00 | Kazuha | Depending on how much cron has to do, it could take a while. |
| 16:50.01 | alnr | \amethyst: ah ok. i already tried --name, but that didnt work. so i guess the best i can so is --exec /bin/sh in this scenario of having a script |
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| 16:50.17 | alnr | do* |
| 16:51.08 | greycat | I-Hop: /etc/crontab and all the individual crontabs in /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 16:51.16 | \amethyst | alnr: hm, actually, I don't think --exec will work at all for /bin/sh scripts |
| 16:51.44 | \amethyst | alnr: because /proc/<pid>/exe doesn't point to /bin/sh but rather what it points to |
| 16:51.49 | Kazuha | Also, you mentioned that the drive was recently installed -- are there many other drives? (I once had a problem with having too many drives for my power supply.) |
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| 16:52.06 | \amethyst | alnr: so you would have to use --name sh instead, I think |
| 16:52.28 | alnr | \amethyst: will verify |
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| 16:52.48 | I-Hop | i get access denied when i try and /etc/crontab..even as root |
| 16:53.05 | greycat | I-Hop: are you trying to run it, or cat it? |
| 16:53.13 | I-Hop | run it |
| 16:53.20 | I-Hop | ah |
| 16:53.22 | I-Hop | cats it |
| 16:53.23 | greycat | it's not a program. it's a file. read it. |
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| 16:55.51 | alnr | \amethyst: --name /bin/sh didnt complain so that must be it. (but it still left tcpserver process dangling, even with exec, sheesh. |
| 16:56.29 | greycat | I've never attempted to use s-s-d with DJB-style tcpserver scripts. |
| 16:56.46 | greycat | Mostly I've run as far away from s-s-d as fast as I could. |
| 16:57.10 | \amethyst | grep tcpserver /etc/init.d/* shows nothing here, and I have a fair number of packages |
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| 16:57.31 | \amethyst | but no djb daemons that I can think of |
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| 16:57.37 | greycat | it's part of DJB's ucspi-tcp suite |
| 16:57.40 | alnr | i'd throw it over in a second, i've done it just starting raw script, but for this one i wanted the stop to be more discriminating |
| 16:57.57 | alnr | ie use pidfile |
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| 16:58.26 | greycat | A pidfile is much less discriminating than what I'm used to (daemontools). |
| 16:58.46 | reisi | is there a guide for installing debian to as a iscsi client or is this generally something you do not want to do? |
| 16:58.53 | alnr | heh, well i had a plain killall, which was bad |
| 16:58.57 | greycat | But Debian never embraced DJB or daemontools (largely due licensing issues years back). |
| 16:59.13 | I-Hop | i have no idea why it would just suddenly have a problem though :. |
| 16:59.16 | I-Hop | :/* |
| 16:59.19 | greycat | Heh, granted, pidfiles are much better than pkill/killall. |
| 16:59.31 | I-Hop | has found out when the cronjob is..and will just watch it |
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| 17:01.15 | wamty | Im running memtest86+ |
| 17:01.16 | wamty | how long will that take? |
| 17:01.27 | wamty | Thanks for recommending it btw |
| 17:01.32 | wamty | on 64 gigz :-/ |
| 17:01.53 | alnr | greycat: i thought s-s-d was the debian way. is there an alternative you prefer? |
| 17:02.26 | wamty | moved around the dimms and now the test is running |
| 17:03.50 | greycat | alnr: s-s-d is indeed what Debian uses for this sort of thing, but I prefer http://cr.yp.to/daemontools.html (but it has a bit of a learning curve) |
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| 17:05.34 | alnr | greycat: ah. well i went into it but ended up running from that because the its tenacity in keeping a deamon running was getting in my way. i understand thats its strong point though :) |
| 17:07.22 | alnr | plus, i (obviously) didnt have a fully debugged daemon script at that point |
| 17:08.43 | sander | When i'm doing aptitude full-upgrade when upgrading from lenny to squeeze.. why does it say aptitude is removing gnome? |
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| 17:09.27 | gilesw | heya all |
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| 17:09.58 | greycat | "gnome" is just a wrapper package, without any real content. |
| 17:10.04 | gilesw | I've got a problem with a backported package nagios3-cgi. I'm getting subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 17:10.20 | sander | greycat, ok. so it dosnt matter then. |
| 17:10.37 | gilesw | is there a way I can find out what it's trying to do or do i need to go back to the source package? |
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| 17:12.57 | gilesw | ah the postinst is only setting up the htpasswd and apache config, i'll ditch it |
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| 17:17.19 | tempuser | what is the default value for TLSCipherSuite in slapd.conf in lenny (linked against gnutls)? |
| 17:17.22 | CodeNinja | any recommendations for a music dj'ing program like sony sound forge, but debian style? |
| 17:17.34 | pom | There is a ~5s. before delay whenever I try logging in via SSH. Previously I solved this by correcting /etc/resolv.conf, but that didn't seem to be the problem this time. |
| 17:19.32 | pom | Another computer this time. Freshly installed yesterday. Experienced lag from start. |
| 17:20.05 | pom | I have also moved the computer to another network since yesterday (after reinstall). Problem on both networks. |
| 17:20.16 | CodeNinja | pom: sounds like a dns resolution problem are you connecting via hostname or ip? |
| 17:20.24 | pom | CodeNinja: IP |
| 17:20.29 | pom | Lan IP. |
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| 17:21.57 | CodeNinja | pom: hmm |
| 17:22.42 | pom | Hmm indeed. Can I in some way try to resolv myself the same way it would when I connect? |
| 17:23.04 | greycat | The delay could be client-side or server-side or both. |
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| 17:24.33 | brbrbr | warmly greets everyone |
| 17:25.01 | pom | greycat: It's definately server side. I have 4-5 different computers running debian on this network. Problem is consistently when I connect to the problem machine. |
| 17:25.21 | pom | (4, exactly) |
| 17:25.27 | greycat | Do you have root on the sshd on the server side? |
| 17:25.34 | greycat | Gah, mangled words.... |
| 17:25.42 | greycat | Can you edit sshd_config? |
| 17:25.49 | pom | greycat: Yes. |
| 17:26.10 | greycat | Then take out the UseDNS in sshd_config and restart sshd. |
| 17:26.51 | greycat | If that's not the problem, then you'll have to figure out what is.... |
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| 17:27.08 | pom | greycat: I don't see that line in my sshd_config |
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| 17:28.01 | pom | greycat: Guess I'll go figure. :) |
| 17:28.37 | greycat | could be TCP wrappers I suppose |
| 17:28.51 | greycat | vintage 1990s technology.... |
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| 17:29.37 | pom | Those pesky wrappers. I think I'll just call it a day. |
| 17:29.44 | pom | Thanks anyway. |
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| 17:40.22 | meinwald | I am using libnss-ldap, but "getent hosts" does not show hosts from the LDAP database when run as a non-root user. I have tried both with and without nscd. |
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| 17:42.09 | lepine | Hey guys, I just installed bind9 and crushed my the fresh config with a copy from my working server. It now complains that the rndc key is invalid ... How do I go about correcting this? |
| 17:43.21 | greycat | lepine: check your /etc/bind/rndc.key file, and make sure it's being read properly by named.conf and rndc.conf |
| 17:43.53 | alnr | whats console-kit-daemon, i'm wondering if i need it, its hogging my htop screen |
| 17:44.14 | Justin | hogging? |
| 17:44.26 | alnr | just taking up space |
| 17:44.41 | alnr | i think cuz htop shows threads |
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| 17:44.49 | Justin | tell htop not to show threads? |
| 17:45.02 | sigmonsays | apt ack's the http_proxy env variable, but does it ack it for https also? |
| 17:45.23 | Justin | you are using apt over https ? why? |
| 17:45.33 | sigmonsays | website is spiting back a 302 to https and apt is erroring out |
| 17:45.50 | lepine | greycat: I have no rndc.conf file, and named.conf* make no mention of keys |
| 17:46.06 | lepine | I chowned everything back to bind:bind |
| 17:46.23 | lepine | it wasn't a permission issue apparently. |
| 17:46.29 | wamty | how can you connect to a linux machine from windows using vnc, I already enabled the vnc server, but I cant connect |
| 17:46.39 | greycat | lepine: http://wooledge.org/~greg/foo |
| 17:46.54 | alnr | Justin: tks, nice feature of htop (H). so it becomes less an issue, but i am still somewhat curious abot console-kit-deamon |
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| 17:47.04 | wamty | However, I can connect only on the linux machine itself |
| 17:47.17 | teratoma | i know how to generate every locale on my machine, by doing dpkg-reconfigure locales , and manually clicking through. how do i do it automatically ? |
| 17:47.25 | wamty | anyone? |
| 17:47.35 | wamty | I already have ssh and ftp enabled |
| 17:47.50 | greycat | teratoma: http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 17:48.11 | wamty | any ideas/suggestions pls guys? |
| 17:48.15 | meinwald | wamty: What does it say when you try to connect? |
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| 17:48.44 | lepine | greycat: thanks, still not working. I'll just purge and reinstall and be more careful |
| 17:48.50 | wamty | The vnc server is also running as well, but I cant connect to that remotely, I have already fowarded the ports |
| 17:49.41 | Justin | wamty: tunnel vnc over ssh. do not use vnc directly, especially over the internet |
| 17:49.42 | Snadder | Hi. I just upgraded to squeeze..But when I did.. xorg stopped to work. What should I do to enable the grafical interface again? |
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| 17:50.24 | greycat | Why do people think installing an OS labeled "testing" is an "upgrade"? |
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| 17:51.16 | zinx | greycat: SNS syndrome |
| 17:51.23 | wamty | when I type vncviewer on the local machine, it saids that it is running on 5900 |
| 17:51.31 | wamty | but when I ssh into it and I type vncviewer, it saids unable to open display |
| 17:51.32 | lepine | eh, I always thought of ubuntu as debian experimental |
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| 17:51.55 | Snadder | greycat: please help me, i'm stuck here :-/ |
| 17:51.56 | Justin | wamty: you're doing it wrong |
| 17:52.14 | Justin | wamty: use 'vncviewer localhost -via server' |
| 17:52.16 | wamty | how should I do it? |
| 17:52.40 | greycat | !xorg config squeeze |
| 17:52.40 | dpkg | From squeeze onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. Configure your keyboard layout for both X and console in /etc/default/console-setup or "dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" (not xorg.conf). If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. Ask me about <xorg hal>. http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 17:53.34 | wamty | thanks justinnn |
| 17:53.36 | wamty | :-))) |
| 17:56.07 | wamty | my display number is :1 |
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| 17:56.18 | wamty | does that have to do with anything? |
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| 17:57.16 | meinwald | wamty: try vncviewer localhost:1 -via server |
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| 17:58.39 | wamty | its on :0 |
| 17:58.51 | wamty | sorry i just checked |
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| 17:59.26 | JyZyXEL | !oss4 |
| 17:59.43 | meinwald | wamty: Then you shouldn't need the :1. If you use -via, it connects via ssh (which you said works) then tunnels vnc through |
| 18:00.18 | wamty | when I ssh to the machine through windows |
| 18:00.42 | Justin | ugh, windows |
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| 18:01.00 | Justin | you're REALLY doing it wrong now heh |
| 18:01.06 | wamty | ssh work |
| 18:01.07 | wamty | I just cant connect to the linux machine thru vnc from the windows machine |
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| 18:01.21 | ranix | there's nothing wrong with windows |
| 18:01.36 | Justin | ranix: hah |
| 18:01.42 | ranix | haha sorry I tried to keep a straight face |
| 18:01.48 | wamty | the ip is 192.168.0.104 of the local machine so I type 192.168.0.104:5900 |
| 18:01.58 | Justin | no no no no no |
| 18:01.58 | wamty | which is the port that its set on |
| 18:02.14 | wamty | :( |
| 18:02.15 | Justin | port is not display |
| 18:02.17 | Justin | display is :0 |
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| 18:02.42 | wamty | yes |
| 18:02.42 | Justin | but again, running vnc over the internet, especially on port 5900, is a terrible, terrible idea |
| 18:02.43 | wamty | so? |
| 18:02.54 | wamty | I know that display is :0 |
| 18:02.59 | Snadder | I get: errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server.. When I try to start X with -config /root/xorg.conf.new |
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| 18:03.03 | Justin | then why did you tell it to use display 5900? |
| 18:03.03 | wamty | what should I type up there? |
| 18:03.35 | wamty | thats what it is automatically set to |
| 18:03.41 | Justin | doubtful |
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| 18:03.58 | Archer | can you do a netisntall with the dvd ? |
| 18:04.06 | Archer | well minimul |
| 18:04.09 | Snadder | greycat: Any more tips to fix xorg ? |
| 18:04.25 | Justin | some vnc clients understand 5900 to mean 5900, others will just add the 5900 to 5900 and get 11800 |
| 18:04.55 | meinwald | wamty: you should do ip:0 or just ip would usually pick :0 as the default |
| 18:04.58 | wamty | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.57 | Xuzz | How do use libapt-pkg to unmark all packages after the installation? |
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| 18:06.06 | TomyLobo | hi |
| 18:06.15 | wamty | Justin, meinwald: for some reason, it only accepts the connection on the local machine |
| 18:06.20 | wamty | I cant vnc connect to the linux from the windos |
| 18:06.30 | wamty | and port 5900 is active |
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| 18:08.17 | TomyLobo | i want to install debian from one CD or DVD. I will have internet available but it's not excessively fast. which download option do i pick? |
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| 18:08.49 | wamty | I get |
| 18:08.55 | wamty | unable to connect to host, connection timed out |
| 18:09.01 | jorik | TomyLobo: netinst |
| 18:09.06 | wamty | just works on the local machine by typing 192.168.0.104 |
| 18:09.07 | Snadder | In dmesg I get: failed to load radeon/R300_cp.bin, is that related to X get a black screen? |
| 18:09.11 | TomyLobo | jorik huh? |
| 18:09.18 | wamty | sorry I parted by mistake |
| 18:09.22 | jorik | TomyLobo: the netinst cd |
| 18:09.22 | TomyLobo | jorik ah found it |
| 18:09.22 | wamty | any help here? |
| 18:09.44 | TomyLobo | the link url contains netinst. the link caption is some bad german translation... |
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| 18:09.50 | meinwald | wamty: You are sure you can connect to the machine from the Windows box with ssh? |
| 18:10.07 | Snadder | And how can I fix this... I just upgraded from lenny to squeezy |
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| 18:10.30 | TomyLobo | ah right, jorik which version will that be? |
| 18:11.01 | wamty | dunny why it wont connect, I wonder if there is a compatability issue between vista vnc and linux |
| 18:11.03 | Snadder | Heeeeeelp, someone.. I only have console access now.. dont know how to solve problems other that asking on irc. |
| 18:11.07 | wamty | 5801/tcp open vnc-http-1 |
| 18:11.11 | wamty | 5900/tcp open vnc |
| 18:11.16 | wamty | 5901/tcp open vnc-1 |
| 18:11.23 | wamty | yeah ssh works fine |
| 18:11.27 | wamty | locally and out of the network |
| 18:11.49 | JyZyXEL | http://packages.debian.org/sid/oss4-base |
| 18:11.54 | JyZyXEL | my apt-cache search can't find that shit |
| 18:12.24 | wamty | what am I doing wrong here? |
| 18:12.28 | meinwald | wamty: Do you have a third machine you can use to test? It sounds like a Windows issue or an issue with the VNC client, but it's hard to tell without another machine inside the network |
| 18:12.52 | hark | JyZyXEL: only for amd64 |
| 18:13.59 | JyZyXEL | oh wow |
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| 18:14.59 | simonrvn | Snadder: aptitude install firmware-linux (might need -nonfree too) |
| 18:15.25 | wamty | meinwald |
| 18:15.34 | wamty | one is running linux and the other two are windows |
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| 18:18.11 | meinwald | wamty: Can you telnet to port 5900? |
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| 18:19.58 | meinwald | Snadder: Did you try running without an xorg.conf yet? |
| 18:20.53 | Snadder | meinwald: No.. i'll try |
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| 18:22.19 | Snadder | simonrvn, meinwald: How do I restart gdm? /etc/init.d/gdm restart dosnt work |
| 18:22.44 | simonrvn | that's how. look at your X log, it'll tell you why. |
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| 18:27.17 | Snadder | simonrvn: I cant see any errors in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:28.14 | Snadder | But when I start X with the generated config file.. I get some warnings |
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| 18:32.10 | yancho | hi - i am trying to monitor snmp using cacti .. snmpwalk worked fine but cacti can't seem to work .. keeps saying no snmp info .. any help please? |
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| 18:33.14 | jess^ | yancho: did you water your cacti? they don't need much |
| 18:33.22 | jess^ | yancho: you might also have issues with insufficient sunlight |
| 18:33.26 | jess^ | </smartass> |
| 18:33.27 | yancho | hahah jess^ :P |
| 18:34.38 | anwoke | hi |
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| 18:39.06 | jelly | listvals speaker-test |
| 18:39.15 | jelly | eh. |
| 18:39.51 | Justin | yancho: watch what cacti does using tcpdump/tshark |
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| 18:40.58 | bb4 | hi |
| 18:41.26 | bb4 | during an apt-get upgrade i got stuck at "saslauthd[27638] :have_baby : forked child: 27642", i killed it after 2 hours and now apt-get doesn't work any more. i need to do a dpkg --configure -a which gets me back to the sasl line... |
| 18:41.34 | bb4 | anybody know anthing about this? |
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| 18:44.54 | cheako | bb4: Likely a bug in /var/lib/dpkg/info/saslauthd.postinst or similar try adding "exit 0" to the top. |
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| 18:45.39 | yancho | Justin, tshark is like wireshark for linux - ie a gui? |
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| 18:45.54 | Justin | yancho: fail |
| 18:45.55 | cheako | It's also likely that this script calls /etc/init.d/saslauthd and the bug is likely there. |
| 18:46.05 | cheako | I use iptraf. |
| 18:46.44 | cheako | it's not as informative as wireshark, but for most cases it provides the needed information. |
| 18:47.03 | Justin | cheako: this would not be one of those cases |
| 18:47.37 | cheako | What do you need? tcpdump is likely my next stop. |
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| 18:48.20 | Justin | cheako: where by 'next step' you mean 'what I told him to do 10 minutes ago' |
| 18:49.51 | cheako | Justin: Sure, that's what he should have done b4 asking. |
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| 18:51.57 | cheako | Off the top dosen't snmpwalk use tcp where snmpget uses udp? |
| 18:52.07 | cheako | yancho: Try using snmpget. |
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| 18:59.10 | do0ob | hello |
| 18:59.29 | yancho | cheako, : snmpget -v 1 -c public 127.0.0.1 not working |
| 18:59.39 | do0ob | how can i get rid of the flickering that occurs at boot, the fonts also change during the flickering |
| 18:59.49 | do0ob | i think its the console setup, but can't it be done without the flickering? |
| 18:59.58 | cheako | yancho: What about your MIB? |
| 19:00.04 | nsadmin | yancho: not working how? |
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| 19:01.05 | yancho | cheako, not even with -m ALL ... nsadmin : missing object name .. aren't i giving the ip ? |
| 19:01.22 | keylocker | have some "debian way" to manage iptables only with iptables-restore/save ? |
| 19:01.27 | keylocker | like redhat do |
| 19:01.34 | do0ob | can console setup b e avoided to get rid of the flicker? |
| 19:01.42 | nsadmin | that sounds like command-line syntax error |
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| 19:02.06 | cheako | keylocker: True, iirc it's all in /etc/init.d/iptables |
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| 19:02.43 | yancho | http://pastebin.ca/1687148 <- output of snmpwalk .. maybe it helps |
| 19:02.45 | nsadmin | keylocker, otoh look into ipmasq for a full recalculating masqing firewall setup |
| 19:03.19 | cheako | do0ob: Likely try vga=XXX where XXX is a number I think you can still use vga=ask |
| 19:03.52 | keylocker | cheako: notting here |
| 19:03.55 | nsadmin | yancho: ahh, so it's giving you output (so, not syntax err) |
| 19:04.01 | do0ob | cheako: i'm usin grub2 and i've already managed to set that to 1680x1050 |
| 19:04.19 | yancho | nsadmin, that is snmpwalk not snmpget as cheako suggested |
| 19:04.59 | nsadmin | ahh, smnpget might need an "object name", perhaps one mentioned in the output of snmpwalk? |
| 19:05.15 | nsadmin | look at man snmpget to see syntax |
| 19:05.19 | yancho | like this: SNMPv2-MIB::sysDescr.0 ? |
| 19:05.33 | nsadmin | try that and see :) |
| 19:05.39 | cheako | keylocker: Scripts in /sbin. |
| 19:05.43 | nsadmin | seems likely. |
| 19:05.58 | cheako | dpkg -L iptables |
| 19:05.59 | dpkg | ii iptables 3.3-13.1 cheako's private stamp collection |
| 19:06.00 | yancho | RFC1213-MIB::sysDescr.0 = STRING: "Linux printsrv 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Mon May 11 19:00:59 UTC 2009 i686" yes it gave |
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| 19:06.12 | keylocker | nah, ive asked "debian way" to do |
| 19:06.23 | nsadmin | cheako: you have a private stamp collection?! |
| 19:06.28 | action09 | keylocker look at the wiki |
| 19:06.31 | cheako | You should find where they are called. |
| 19:06.36 | keylocker | i think ill use restore scripts in if-up.d and save script at if-down.d |
| 19:06.42 | cheako | dpkg -h |
| 19:06.42 | dpkg | cheako: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:06.56 | cheako | dpkg -l iptables |
| 19:06.56 | dpkg | ii iptables 2.5-2 cheako's private gamp collection |
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| 19:07.06 | action09 | keylocker http://wiki.debian.org/iptables method with "/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/iptables" is simple and efficient |
| 19:07.10 | cheako | ahhh, what am I doing? |
| 19:07.28 | nsadmin | you're triggering the bot :) |
| 19:07.38 | nsadmin | !start a barbie war |
| 19:07.38 | dpkg | starting a barbie war is HARD! |
| 19:08.09 | do0ob | is there a fix for a slowly rendering tty? |
| 19:08.13 | keylocker | action09: ill try this here |
| 19:08.22 | cheako | nsadmin: Is there any settings that I should clear out? |
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| 19:09.10 | keylocker | action09: with a if-down rule to save fw also |
| 19:09.13 | keylocker | thanks |
| 19:09.32 | action09 | keylocker quit :) |
| 19:09.35 | jelly | !gamp |
| 19:09.48 | greycat | Huh, removed for political correctness? |
| 19:10.38 | Snadder | http://pastebin.ca/1687141 <-- Anyone can check my logs to find out whats wrong with xorg.. after upgrading from lenny to squeeze? |
| 19:10.50 | nsadmin | yancho: cool, so you can use snmpget now |
| 19:10.52 | iceroot | lenny (5.0) with dist-upgrade == lenny 5.0.3? |
| 19:11.27 | greycat | yes |
| 19:11.27 | nsadmin | possibly... but you may or may not need dist-upgrade, just upgrade |
| 19:11.45 | nsadmin | also with update beforehand |
| 19:11.59 | nsadmin | which pulls in the latest indexes |
| 19:12.02 | greycat | and a valid sources.list |
| 19:12.12 | greycat | and an internet connection .... |
| 19:12.20 | nsadmin | yeah, and those seem likely |
| 19:12.32 | yancho | nsadmin, but the problem is cacti .. but thanks for the help .. i gotta run .. will continue later on thanks! |
| 19:12.40 | jelly | and tea. It won't work without tea in the house. |
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| 19:12.52 | iceroot | greycat: nsadmin thx |
| 19:12.59 | Snadder | greycat, is there any other logs I should check when trying to get xorg working? |
| 19:13.17 | greycat | I'd start by observing the SYMPTOM. And maybe saying what it is. |
| 19:13.23 | greycat | !doesn't work |
| 19:13.24 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 19:13.59 | nsadmin | symptom: no heartbeat... hmm, possible cause: soundproofing installed |
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| 19:14.36 | Snadder | greycat: I get a black screen when starting: -config /root/xorg.conf.new |
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| 19:14.48 | Snadder | X |
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| 19:15.07 | Justin | symptom: no heartbeat... hmm, possible cause: dead |
| 19:15.11 | greycat | and you've resolved all the errors and warnings in the log, or determined that they're harmless? |
| 19:15.33 | nsadmin | Justin: ohhh, is that why I'm not hearing anything... |
| 19:15.50 | greycat | symptom: no heartbeat. diagnosis: ears are plugged. |
| 19:15.56 | Snadder | greycat: ive looked trough it.. I cant see anything which looks like a problem |
| 19:16.21 | nsadmin | yeah, ears plugged with this stethescope thingy... |
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| 19:17.15 | Snadder | greycat: I did install firmware-linux ... that removed one error message in dmes |
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| 19:22.08 | CodeNinja | damit |
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| 19:24.41 | Snadder | Im forced to reinstall |
| 19:24.45 | Snadder | :-/ |
| 19:24.56 | Snadder | I want squeeze |
| 19:25.02 | Snadder | But it dosnt work |
| 19:25.29 | greycat | did you try #xorg yet? |
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| 19:25.54 | greycat | did it work with the VESA driver at some standard not-necessarily-correct-for-your-monitor resolution? |
| 19:26.04 | greycat | did you even SET a friggin' resolution in your config file? |
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| 19:28.43 | flippppp | hi |
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| 19:29.27 | Snadder | greycat, how does the resolution settings look like? |
| 19:29.51 | flippppp | why does /dev/fuse owner:group always revert to root:root after i set it to root:fuse? |
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| 19:30.09 | Snadder | greycat, Modes "1280x1200".. like that? |
| 19:30.16 | greycat | Snadder: #xorg |
| 19:30.25 | greycat | or google for "sample xorg.conf" or something |
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| 19:31.21 | greycat | Snadder: unstable, at least, also has a file in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/examples/ |
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| 19:31.50 | greycat | Although that one appears to be missing the resolution setting. Grmphf. |
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| 19:42.00 | korhojoa | the hd-media image that exists on the debian image servers, how would i go about making it or the filesystem of a drive that i've put it on bigger? |
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| 19:42.34 | poppy_bsd | hello.. i can't find any package containing boost::asio (dev) |
| 19:42.44 | korhojoa | that is to say, i've already put it on a usb memory stick, and now it's only got like 230 megs free, where as i'd have liked to put more on it, but alas, now i can't |
| 19:42.45 | poppy_bsd | i installed libboost-dev, but no asio |
| 19:42.47 | korhojoa | any ideas? |
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| 19:42.53 | korhojoa | or should i use multiple partitions or something? |
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| 19:43.13 | poppy_bsd | also, apt-cache search asio doesn't list any boost packages |
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| 19:46.51 | meinwald | poppy_bsd: It seems to be in libboost1.35-dev, but not 1.34 |
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| 19:48.16 | poppy_bsd | meinwald: oh that's a shame.. well :) |
| 19:48.22 | poppy_bsd | thanks for the answer anyway |
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| 19:52.53 | \amethyst | though the DEBUG and RETURN traps are a little weird unless you turn on functrace |
| 19:52.56 | \amethyst | doh |
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| 19:56.14 | nickgrey147 | Ive decided i want to start using debian , does the net install come with a package manager ? |
| 19:56.38 | qwd | nickgrey147: yes |
| 19:57.29 | nickgrey147 | qwd, ok cool , the net install doesnt auto install some random desktop does it ? |
| 19:57.31 | nsadmin | nickgrey147 the netinstall places at minimum a running debian system, which is then enough to install more packages |
| 19:57.49 | nsadmin | no, not without you saying so... |
| 19:58.01 | nickgrey147 | nsadmin, oh ok cool thats exactly what i was looking for thanks |
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| 19:58.19 | nsadmin | but when you get to the part where you select which "tasks" to install, look at the list and decide what you want |
| 19:58.42 | nsadmin | or -not-, and just have the base when you finally reboot the new install |
| 19:58.52 | nsadmin | in either case... |
| 19:59.03 | nsadmin | you will have a system sufficient to install more packages |
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| 20:00.28 | nickgrey147 | nsadmin, are symlinks and things like that auto created for the run levels ? |
| 20:01.05 | nsadmin | yes. in debian, the runlevels 0,1,6 are special, and 2,3,4,5 are identical by default |
| 20:01.15 | ranix | they're created by update-rc.d |
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| 20:01.26 | ranix | generally |
| 20:01.58 | nsadmin | it's a vague possibility much later that debian would go from sysvinit to upstart |
| 20:02.31 | nickgrey147 | like ubuntu lol |
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| 20:02.56 | ranix | ubuntu is an upstart |
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| 20:04.23 | korhojoa | how come 2,3,4 and 5 are the same? |
| 20:04.33 | korhojoa | sysvinit to upstart? someone care to explain this to me? :P |
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| 20:04.50 | korhojoa | or give me some hints where to find answers to this |
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| 20:06.07 | nickgrey147 | korhojoa, 2 3 5 etc are pretty much folders that contain symlinks to the init.d well i think its like that :P iam from bsd style :P rc.d ftw |
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| 20:06.31 | nsadmin | korhojoa: why? it was decided to let the admin ... err, machine owner ... decide what their runlevels would do |
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| 20:08.17 | \amethyst | err? |
| 20:08.18 | \amethyst | DOS? |
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| 20:08.32 | Devastator | probably |
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| 20:08.37 | \amethyst | those aren't the messages I'd expect from a netsplit |
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| 20:08.50 | mrXX | what is a good mass mailing opensouce software that can make use of an already created database? |
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| 20:10.25 | pizza_biz | odd, i hope i'm not tempting fate here but i haven't received one single malformed CTCP message that seems to have been flooded here over the last couple days. |
| 20:10.27 | bb4 | cheako: thanks for the tip, that worked |
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| 20:11.48 | sash_ | does anyone know, when virtualbox-modules for the actual unstable-kernel (2.6.31-1) will be available in the repositories? |
| 20:12.03 | bb4 | cheako: the problem was that the /etc/init.d/saslauthd start that's in the postinstall script never returns... |
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| 20:14.14 | hark | sash_: it may never be available |
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| 20:15.55 | nickgrey147 | whats the command to setup up pppoe ? |
| 20:16.05 | hark | pppoeconf |
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| 20:16.36 | nickgrey147 | hark, i see sigh i dont have that |
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| 20:16.45 | wamty | anyone have any idea why starting screen as a crontab entry would cause it to be black and white? |
| 20:16.50 | sash_ | hark: hmm? then why do i have this kernel? |
| 20:17.06 | hark | nickgrey147: it's on the cd |
| 20:17.07 | greycat | probably because your TERM variable isn't what you thought. |
| 20:17.15 | wamty | I tried putting TERM=xterm in crontab but it didnt work ill try again tho |
| 20:17.24 | wamty | -> /usr/local/bin/screen -T xterm -d -m /usr/local/bin/irssi |
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| 20:17.32 | wamty | nop still b/w |
| 20:17.38 | hark | nickgrey147: if you're installing, there is an installer option as well |
| 20:17.43 | nickgrey147 | hark, ooooh i see |
| 20:17.46 | greycat | wamty: #screen then. |
| 20:17.49 | nickgrey147 | hark, thanks |
| 20:17.59 | wamty | they have no ideas there. |
| 20:18.13 | nickgrey147 | hark, i thought it would be with the net install by default :P |
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| 20:18.32 | hark | nickgrey147: it is .. moment |
| 20:18.48 | wamty | maybe I should put another TERM variable? |
| 20:19.05 | nickgrey147 | hark, i ment installed * :P |
| 20:19.49 | wamty | should i reset something for it to take effect? |
| 20:19.53 | wamty | or any advice? |
| 20:20.19 | hark | nickgrey147: http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
| 20:20.40 | hark | sash_: what about it? |
| 20:21.10 | nickgrey147 | hark, figured it out already , iam use to typing in the command pppoe-conf and adsl-setup :P |
| 20:21.13 | wamty | if greycat and \amethyst dont know |
| 20:21.16 | wamty | ill just go to bed |
| 20:21.33 | hark | nickgrey147: ah ok |
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| 20:22.18 | sash_ | hark: well. i don not have any vbox-modules for this kernel, because they are not in the repos, but i see some improvements in this kernel, so i want to use it. but i also have to use virtualbox, but i do not want to install this crap manually |
| 20:22.38 | qwertyuiop | hi all, i've got a problem with a sw raid1 + lvm install on 2 usb drives meanted to be the root fs |
| 20:22.54 | hark | sash_: use the source package which is available |
| 20:23.11 | qwertyuiop | install seems ok, but on the next reboot it fails falling back to a busybox initramfs prompt |
| 20:23.31 | qwertyuiop | grub fails on install but lilo seem to work |
| 20:24.06 | sash_ | hark: thats what i call a "manual installation" :( |
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| 20:24.26 | wamty | \amethyst any ideas on ? |
| 20:24.32 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 20:24.32 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 rabid goats. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few hours! |
| 20:24.33 | jelly-home | qwertyuiop: is /boot a separate partition out of lvm? |
| 20:24.51 | \amethyst | wamty: Yes, I asked you what you want -type to do, and what type of file you're searching for |
| 20:24.52 | hark | qwertyuiop: keep a separate /boot if you want to use grub |
| 20:24.57 | wamty | no |
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| 20:25.06 | wamty | ny idea why starting screen as a crontab entry would cause it to be black and white? |
| 20:25.10 | wamty | I tried putting TERM=xterm in crontab but it didnt work ill try again tho |
| 20:25.14 | wamty | -> /usr/local/bin/screen -T xterm -d -m /usr/local/bin/irssi |
| 20:25.56 | hark | sash_: install virtualbox-ose-source. and that's it. i believe dkms is used now so you don't have to do anything else. alternatively you can also use m-a |
| 20:26.01 | qwertyuiop | no, i did a single partition for root, putting swap, var and tmp on a sw ide raid6 |
| 20:26.02 | \amethyst | wamty: /usr/local/bin/screen ? |
| 20:26.06 | \amethyst | wamty: is this a debian system? |
| 20:26.12 | wamty | yea |
| 20:26.13 | wamty | debian |
| 20:26.21 | wamty | however, im not sure its related to debian |
| 20:26.25 | \amethyst | wamty: why aren't you using the debian versions of screen and irssi ? |
| 20:26.34 | hark | sash_: if you want prebuilt modules, stick with stable |
| 20:26.56 | \amethyst | wamty: it might be that your /usr/local/share/terminfo/x/xterm describes a black-and-white xterm |
| 20:27.12 | yoshx | is it possible to play sound on a local computer with a program launch on a remote computer ? |
| 20:27.14 | jelly-home | wamty: your screen binary isn't provided by Debian, that's why we ask... /usr/local isn't populated by Debian packages |
| 20:27.14 | greycat | does he have non-Debian terminfo/ncurses? |
| 20:27.19 | \amethyst | wamty: since I have no idea how your screen is configured |
| 20:27.24 | \amethyst | greycat: that was my guess |
| 20:27.59 | \amethyst | wamty: do you have the program /usr/local/bin/tput ? |
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| 20:28.12 | wamty | lemme check |
| 20:29.05 | yoshx | i want to lauch a remote desktop using ssh connexion and play all sound on my computer |
| 20:29.24 | greycat | you'll need some sort of network-capable sound service, then. |
| 20:29.30 | greycat | ssh can forward X but not audio |
| 20:29.58 | Titan8990 | NX can do audio |
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| 20:30.02 | \amethyst | yoshx: http://razor.occams.info/blog/2009/02/11/pulseaudio-sound-forwarding-across-a-network/ |
| 20:30.02 | yoshx | is it possible with another program ? |
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| 20:30.24 | Titan8990 | !tell yoshx about nx |
| 20:30.25 | \amethyst | yoshx: if you're using pulseaudio on both sides, anyway |
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| 20:30.58 | yoshx | i had use nx but i prefer open source program |
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| 20:31.18 | yoshx | ok thanks \amethyst |
| 20:31.22 | Titan8990 | !tell yoshx about vnc |
| 20:31.46 | yoshx | with vnc i can access to a remote desktop but it's not secure |
| 20:31.51 | \amethyst | Do any of the Debian VNC servers support sound? |
| 20:32.01 | yoshx | that's the reason why i wanted to use ssh |
| 20:32.14 | dondelelcaro | \amethyst: yes |
| 20:32.45 | Titan8990 | some VNC software can be encrypted |
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| 20:32.52 | qwertyuiop | hark: in this way i've got no replication of boot partition? |
| 20:32.54 | xjk1 | the pendrive problem I have, the full question and the demesg is here: http://pastebin.ca/1687260 |
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| 20:33.18 | hark | didn't google release an open source nx server? is it not dfsg free or why isn't it yet in debian? |
| 20:33.32 | yoshx | perhaps i'm wrong but it seems to encrypt only identification |
| 20:33.51 | dondelelcaro | yoshx: that's why you tunnel it |
| 20:33.59 | yoshx | yes |
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| 20:34.13 | dondelelcaro | (there may be protocol extensions which provide encryption, too) |
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| 20:36.13 | hark | qwertyuiop: yeah but grub doesn't support it. also grub-pc (grub2) in lenny doesn't support lvm over raid |
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| 20:38.15 | wamty | \amethyst |
| 20:38.16 | wamty | wierd |
| 20:38.17 | wamty | since my $TERM is set to xterm |
| 20:38.26 | wamty | echo $TERM |
| 20:38.27 | wamty | xterm |
| 20:38.35 | wamty | I dont have a /usr/local/share/terminfo or a /usr/share/terminfo |
| 20:38.37 | wamty | REALLY wierd |
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| 20:39.21 | greycat | if you don't have /usr/share/terminfo then your Debian system is Fucked. Fix it. |
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| 20:42.18 | \amethyst | wamty: what does TERM=xterm tput colors say? |
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| 20:42.58 | greycat | I'm more concerned about what cat /etc/debian_version says. |
| 20:43.40 | \amethyst | wamty: yeah, ncurses-base is Priority: required... you should have it |
| 20:44.12 | \amethyst | wamty: apt-get install screen irssi the change the /usr/local/bin/s to /usr/bin/ |
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| 20:44.36 | kharloss | hi . i want to export in a .txt file all files inside a folder. how can i do this ? |
| 20:45.14 | Titan8990 | kharloss, the contents of the files or the names of the files? |
| 20:45.27 | valdyn | kharloss: cat folder/* > newfile.txt |
| 20:46.07 | kharloss | name of files Titan8990 |
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| 20:46.18 | qwertyuiop | ok thx |
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| 20:47.35 | luminoso | hi. what is the last version of debian? 5.0.3? |
| 20:48.09 | luminoso | i've installed debian on... end of setember and since that there isn't any update. is this normal? |
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| 20:48.16 | gauge | G'day. |
| 20:48.47 | kharloss | valdyn ... :) cat folder/* > newfile.txt bad ideea |
| 20:48.47 | gauge | I'm havign problems wit hhibernation. Namely comign out of it. Are there tools I can use to help diagnose where the problem is? |
| 20:49.03 | kharloss | i want name of my files inside this folder .. |
| 20:49.07 | nickgrey147 | can some one please ling the usb.img (net install cant find it .. ) |
| 20:49.22 | valdyn | kharloss: replace cat with ls then |
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| 20:49.51 | valdyn | kharloss: ls folder > newfile.txt |
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| 20:50.52 | kharloss | great valdyn . thanks . |
| 20:51.42 | simonrvn | luminoso: have lines in sources.list that say security in them? |
| 20:52.06 | luminoso | $ cat /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:52.06 | luminoso | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 20:52.29 | luminoso | EOF :-p |
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| 20:52.34 | simonrvn | !security |
| 20:52.35 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back). Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>. |
| 20:52.43 | simonrvn | add that and update |
| 20:53.15 | luminoso | thank you so much |
| 20:53.29 | luminoso | apt-get is outdated. aptitude is the new apt-get? |
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| 20:54.01 | simonrvn | no, just better at dep. resolution, and has a text ui |
| 20:54.17 | sgiessl_ | hi, I want to create "backup" .debs of already installed packages. is this possible? (would be useful for transfering packages not in repositories, e.g.) |
| 20:54.22 | cheako | bb4: Make sure to file a bug. |
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| 20:55.21 | luminoso | simonrvn, thank you for your help |
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| 20:55.45 | simonrvn | np |
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| 20:56.11 | Posterdati | hi |
| 20:56.29 | Posterdati | please I need help for teratec h5 and lenny :) |
| 20:56.30 | Posterdati | tx |
| 20:56.36 | cheako | Hello, my /var is way too big. Is there a way to shrink it while running? I guess I could drop into single user and unmount then shrink it. I was wondering if there is another way? |
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| 20:57.19 | cheako | I moved /var/cache onto another partition, so this freed up a lot of space I'd like to reclaim. |
| 20:57.27 | cheako | partition==lv. |
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| 20:58.03 | cheako | The current size is less then a gig, so I could build a new /var. |
| 20:58.09 | dutchfish | cheako, i think umount it on a running system is that good, if you just could create a new smaller one beside and edit /etc/fstab copy it over en then reboot? |
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| 20:58.32 | dutchfish | s/is that/isnt that |
| 20:58.49 | cheako | dutchfish: That's true, but I bet I could do that w/o rebooting. |
| 20:59.13 | dutchfish | cheako, i dont know that, i think not |
| 20:59.21 | cheako | It would just be vary messy and I'd have to restart a lot of things... however dropping to single user also restarts a lot of things. |
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| 21:00.18 | dutchfish | cheako, at least use sync && sync before unmount and flush cache maybe |
| 21:00.28 | cheako | dutchfish: Using rbind it can be done. Effectivly moving all the open FDs to a new location and mounting the new FS ontop of them. |
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| 21:01.05 | cheako | Then you use rsync generiously to keep all the applications looking at the same data. |
| 21:01.05 | dutchfish | cheako, maybe, but flush cache: echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches && sync && sync |
| 21:01.14 | cheako | You also have to use symlinks for any sockets. |
| 21:01.41 | cheako | Then I'd restart each application that has a listening socket, in this case it's a lot. |
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| 21:02.12 | dutchfish | cheako, in theorie yes, but if have done it once and ended up with alot of zombies |
| 21:02.14 | cheako | I did this for the /var/cache move and it worked with a few minor problems I couldn't identify. |
| 21:02.34 | dutchfish | cheako, a reboot would be as fast, and no risk |
| 21:02.54 | cheako | dutchfish: Yes, killing off every thing is better. |
| 21:03.44 | cheako | A reboot as you describe leaves a lot of room for changes during the shutdown that would want to be replicated. |
| 21:03.57 | dutchfish | cheako, thats about the only time you need to reboot a pinguin (kernel upgrade, partition changes) |
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| 21:05.01 | cheako | Yeah, but there still should be an online shrinking tool. |
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| 21:05.46 | dutchfish | cheako, not hotshrink, at least i haven't heard of it |
| 21:06.22 | dutchfish | cheako, hotexpand yes |
| 21:06.41 | cheako | I can make a large file and put another file system inside of it, but that gets messy also. |
| 21:07.00 | dutchfish | apart from the very long high load |
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| 21:09.11 | dutchfish | th eonly thing maybe is lvm with snapshotting, but for that you need a backend |
| 21:09.47 | cheako | Explain? |
| 21:09.49 | dutchfish | the fs cant shrink, period |
| 21:10.04 | ranix | ext2 can shrink can't it |
| 21:10.12 | Justin | yes |
| 21:10.24 | cheako | Were talking about hotshrink |
| 21:10.27 | dutchfish | but not hotshrink |
| 21:10.31 | dutchfish | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshots_backup.html |
| 21:10.33 | ranix | hotshrink is never going to happen |
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| 21:10.39 | dutchfish | nods |
| 21:10.44 | cheako | awwww. |
| 21:10.47 | ranix | unless you have yaffs or something |
| 21:12.03 | dutchfish | but i do like lvm2 |
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| 21:12.36 | cheako | I'm going to do it, making a new lv and going to sync over the data. |
| 21:12.54 | dutchfish | hides |
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| 21:18.18 | naquad | hi |
| 21:18.42 | naquad | are there any lightweight analogues for knetworkmanager? |
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| 21:19.02 | ranix | iwconfig |
| 21:19.20 | ranix | hides |
| 21:19.37 | naquad | ranix: i want something graphical. i already use iwconfig wlan0 essid ... |
| 21:19.59 | Titan8990 | judd, versions wicd |
| 21:20.00 | judd | Titan8990: wicd -- sid: 1.5.2-1 sid: 1.5.9-1 lenny-backports: 1.6.2.2-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1.6.2.2-1 sid: 1.6.2.2-3 squeeze: 1.6.2.2-3 |
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| 21:20.12 | Titan8990 | naquad, wicd from backports |
| 21:20.39 | naquad | Titan8990: nice! thank you. seems to be what i need |
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| 21:21.17 | naquad | i was too hurry... it wants a bunch of pythong packages same as wifi-radar... that suxxx |
| 21:25.01 | cheako | how do I stop console-kit-daemon? |
| 21:25.16 | cheako | I'm havving to kill of a whole mess of daemons. |
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| 21:25.39 | ranix | the power of christ compels you |
| 21:25.57 | Xenguy | cheako: pkill daemonname ? |
| 21:26.09 | Xenguy | cheako: as root |
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| 21:26.17 | ranix | echo "the power of christ compels you" | wall |
| 21:26.22 | cheako | Xenguy: I was hopping to use the init script, so it would stop me from killing myself. |
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| 21:27.03 | Xenguy | cheako cd /etc/init.d && ./daemonname stop |
| 21:27.05 | Xenguy | ? |
| 21:27.14 | ranix | cheako: you could use init to switch to runlevel 1 |
| 21:27.35 | ranix | cheako: that should run a lot of K scripts from rc*.d |
| 21:27.41 | cheako | Yeah, but I'd like to keep some things running until the vary end. |
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| 21:28.27 | cheako | consolekit has no init, but it's daemon runs regardless. |
| 21:28.44 | ranix | its, no apostrophe. Check /etc/rcS.d |
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| 21:30.06 | Xenguy | cheako: I don't see why 'pkill consolekit' would kill you |
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| 21:30.32 | cheako | Xenguy: Didn't know what it was, it's a seat tracker. |
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| 21:30.58 | Xenguy | cheako: so? |
| 21:31.27 | cheako | I didn't want my console to blow up. |
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| 21:31.39 | cheako | It's all better now. |
| 21:31.42 | Xenguy | cheako: have fun |
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| 21:32.10 | Xenguy | meanders on his way... |
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| 21:34.41 | naquad | are there any applets drawing graphics of site reachability? what i mean is a simple visualisation of pings loses |
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| 21:35.53 | cheako | Great. |
| 21:36.04 | ax-ax | if i get a arg: 6-thingy when trying to type ö through ssh, what could be wrong? |
| 21:36.23 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 21:36.43 | nsadmin | ax-ax: you're getting some message back? exact text please |
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| 21:37.10 | ret | HAI #debian! |
| 21:37.16 | cheako | Starting the daemons now. |
| 21:37.36 | ret | start |
| 21:37.37 | ret | dat ass |
| 21:37.54 | ax-ax | nsadmin: i get a (arg: 6) |
| 21:38.09 | ax-ax | instead of my user@hostname |
| 21:38.40 | bb4 | cheako: where was that postinst file again? |
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| 21:38.41 | greycat | did you set your locale to something .utf8 on the sshed-into box? |
| 21:38.56 | ax-ax | and if i type any letter, the hostname is back and i get six of the typed letter |
| 21:39.15 | ax-ax | yeah, locales are utf all of them |
| 21:39.23 | greycat | you're triggering the bash/readline "repeat next thing" function |
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| 21:39.37 | ax-ax | oh |
| 21:39.49 | ret | dfdfjkldfjkl;fdsjkl |
| 21:39.51 | ret | you guys are boring |
| 21:39.54 | ret | off to #remote-exploit |
| 21:39.55 | themill | ret: can we help you with a Debian support question? |
| 21:39.59 | cheako | bb4: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 21:40.06 | themill | ret: bye! |
| 21:40.14 | ret | that's what she said |
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| 21:40.45 | G_O_D | hahahaha |
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| 21:41.32 | cheako | Asside from a number of deamons that don't like being stated more then once every thing looks fine. |
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| 21:42.48 | cheako | I missed dbus. |
| 21:43.25 | greycat | I'm sure dere'll be anoder bus soon. |
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| 21:43.42 | ax-ax | if i set usepam=no on the other machine, i get posix as locale |
| 21:43.55 | mortsmel | anyone here running a mysql server only on debian ... have slow queries |
| 21:44.01 | ax-ax | if i set it to yes, i get the utf-8s again |
| 21:44.14 | greycat | ax-ax: if you set up Debian in the "normal" manner, then it overrides the ssh LC_* and LANG variables in /etc/default/locale |
| 21:44.19 | cheako | What should I do about these daemons that will spawn extra copies if started more then once? gdm and nagiosgrapher. |
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| 21:44.41 | greycat | ax-ax: where "normal" means "I chose something other than None when it asked me for the default locale" |
| 21:44.41 | mortsmel | with an app watching network traffic ,etc. |
| 21:44.44 | cheako | That was fun. |
| 21:44.52 | mortsmel | top running ... it has no delay? |
| 21:45.37 | cheako | Stop about 31 daemons and unmount var. I should have just used shrink. then start them again. |
| 21:45.41 | ax-ax | greycat: same locales on this machine generates a ö instead of arg 6 |
| 21:45.50 | greycat | that's good to know. |
| 21:46.01 | greycat | I'm not sure what your best approach is, though. |
| 21:46.55 | luminoso | hi. i want to use my box to redirect a a few connections to another server. I mean: people connect to my box:80 and my box leads the connection to irc.someserver.org:6667. What is the best way to do this? |
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| 21:47.37 | dutchfish | luminoso, portredirection? |
| 21:47.47 | cheako | dutchfish: You can come out now, it's all over and things should all be back to normal. |
| 21:48.01 | dutchfish | cheako, ah nice to hear ;) |
| 21:48.04 | cheako | That's everything. |
| 21:48.26 | cheako | 31337 haxor has left the building. |
| 21:49.22 | luminoso | dutchfish, yes |
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| 21:49.48 | dutchfish | luminoso, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/73 |
| 21:50.01 | luminoso | dutchfish, thank you |
| 21:50.08 | dutchfish | luminoso, yw |
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| 21:53.17 | greycat | Ah, an answer to yesterday's question. When I shut down X on the Debian box, the x2x connection goes away with just a nice little two-line error message in the terminal whence it was spawned. |
| 21:53.36 | Justin | greycat: yeah, it does that |
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| 21:54.04 | greycat | Until I tested it, I wasn't sure if I'd have to destroy the HP X session as well.... |
| 21:54.07 | bb4 | cheako: thanks |
| 21:54.13 | Justin | greycat: I generally run a fix_x script when I get to work that kills any vnc type processes and restarts x2x |
| 21:54.28 | bb4 | cheako: btw, sending a bugreport shouldn't be this hard :-) |
| 21:54.37 | bb4 | cheako: reportbug is killing me |
| 21:54.49 | greycat | Now if the dhclient dyndns script hook thingy runs on Monday morning, we'll be in good shape. |
| 21:54.49 | cheako | greycat: I use daemon to keep things running. There is also a vary nice autossh that actively pings(normally using the echo service) the other side. |
| 21:54.55 | ax-ax | good news: after about a hundred attempts, the locale reconfigurator got another output and saved the day |
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| 21:55.15 | ax-ax | i'm happy now, good night |
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| 21:55.27 | greycat | cheako: my plan is to type "x2x" in a randomly chosen HP-UX window after booting the Debian box and startxing it. |
| 21:55.37 | greycat | where x2x is the name of the bash function I made. |
| 21:55.49 | greycat | x2x() { ssh -f -X wooledg x2x -west -to :0 -resurface; } |
| 21:55.55 | cheako | bb4: I feel your pain. Once you learn how you will be able to jump through it. |
| 21:56.30 | greycat | Happy Thanksgiving and/or Thursday to all. |
| 21:56.40 | cheako | greycat: I make launch icons myself. |
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| 21:59.59 | dutchfish | simonrvn, happy times are coming? http://www.debian-administration.org/polls/142 |
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| 22:00.07 | dutchfish | opos |
| 22:00.11 | dutchfish | sorry |
| 22:00.19 | aixenv | whats teh name of that custom 2.6.30 iso |
| 22:00.24 | aixenv | i forgot someone !whatever it for me |
| 22:00.39 | aixenv | khop or something like that |
| 22:00.41 | luminoso | dutchfish, can this be used to redirect to an external server? |
| 22:00.45 | themill | dpkg: tell aixenv about kmuto |
| 22:00.52 | aixenv | ah yea kmuto ty themill |
| 22:01.19 | orudie | how would I install mysql server ? |
| 22:01.47 | themill | orudie: take a wild guess... |
| 22:01.50 | jetscreamer | aptitude install mysql ? |
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| 22:02.01 | dutchfish | luminoso, if that is permitted by that net/uplinkswitches; but then you might better be of with snat/dnat |
| 22:02.04 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search mysql first |
| 22:03.12 | dutchfish | luminoso, but better is to use dns-ing for that i gues |
| 22:03.24 | dutchfish | luminoso, think bandwidth |
| 22:03.47 | luminoso | apt-get install dns-ing? |
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| 22:03.48 | luminoso | lol |
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| 22:05.37 | dutchfish | luminoso, i ment when you want to reach an external, why not by making proper dns-rules and let poeple contact it direclty? |
| 22:05.49 | xNinja | when using ctrl+z it will send the current process to background but the problem is when i close the shell that job will be closed also |
| 22:06.04 | xNinja | what else i can use to send process to background other than screen ? |
| 22:06.14 | niklaswe | xNinja: & |
| 22:06.19 | else | should totally change nick <_< |
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| 22:07.19 | xNinja | niklaswe and how to get it back ? |
| 22:07.30 | cheako | I don't like it when a pkg(gdm) has a lot of bugs, too many to read. How can I justify reporting another bug? |
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| 22:07.47 | bb4 | cheako: did it. thanks for your help |
| 22:07.50 | cheako | How should I go about cleaning up the reports? If I should at all? |
| 22:07.55 | kibibyte | hi |
| 22:08.00 | kibibyte | how to turn off test during mvn clean install? |
| 22:08.01 | cheako | Any time. |
| 22:08.25 | xNinja | niklaswe ok got it thanks |
| 22:09.07 | valdyn | cheako: gdm upstream development has stopped |
| 22:09.13 | luminoso | dutchfish, i'm ussing this has a service. My campus blocks 6667 port. so my idea is to open :80 on my VPS and let people connect to IRC using my vps |
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| 22:09.20 | kibibyte | how to turn off test during mvn clean install? |
| 22:09.22 | valdyn | cheako: which is probably why no one is fixing most of those bugs |
| 22:09.30 | xNinja | niklaswe but still when i close the shell it will be closed! |
| 22:09.38 | cheako | Sorry, going. |
| 22:09.45 | valdyn | cheako: a reimplementation exists but is not used by debian yet for some reasons |
| 22:09.45 | luminoso | dutchfish, so they type in their computers: /server my.vps.ip:80 and they are really connected to irc.lol:6667 |
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| 22:10.10 | dutchfish | luminoso, why not use cgiirc ? ;) |
| 22:10.20 | luminoso | googles |
| 22:10.33 | dutchfish | luminoso, aptitude show cgiirc |
| 22:10.52 | luminoso | because some people are using android irc clients |
| 22:11.13 | dutchfish | scratches head |
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| 22:11.44 | luminoso | there is no simple way to pass all the traffic trought my box? |
| 22:11.45 | luminoso | :-\ |
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| 22:11.55 | kibibyte | ppl |
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| 22:12.10 | dutchfish | luminoso, not without creating a tunnel to another box outside |
| 22:12.24 | luminoso | hummm |
| 22:12.44 | jelly-home | luminoso: if your irc clients are able to use http proxies, you can set up one |
| 22:12.52 | dutchfish | luminoso, if that sec admin has done his job that is |
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| 22:13.12 | valdyn | luminoso: i understand you only want to do port forwarding, thats not very hard |
| 22:13.17 | dutchfish | luminoso, and even tunnels can be blocked |
| 22:13.23 | valdyn | luminoso: and documented everywhere |
| 22:13.35 | luminoso | i'll google a little bit more |
| 22:13.35 | valdyn | luminoso: assuming your vps is off campus naturally |
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| 22:14.17 | jelly-home | xchat can use CONNECT method of a proxy, I presume irssi can do it as well |
| 22:14.28 | valdyn | luminoso: "iptables port forwarding" |
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| 22:16.42 | valdyn | luminoso: but if your campus network router does packet inspection then that way wont work |
| 22:17.00 | xNinja | root@core:~/. # ls |
| 22:17.00 | xNinja | ls: memory exhausted |
| 22:17.07 | xNinja | wtf |
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| 22:17.30 | valdyn | xNinja: what does "cd /" give ? |
| 22:18.20 | xNinja | i have to logout and relogin! |
| 22:18.34 | valdyn | ~/. as a $PWD seems odd |
| 22:18.49 | xNinja | yeah i am in /root/". " |
| 22:18.54 | xNinja | mkdir ". " |
| 22:19.03 | xNinja | seems to be i am very happy with that lol |
| 22:19.25 | xNinja | the secret folder :P |
| 22:19.32 | valdyn | what the hell for are you creating confusing directory names? |
| 22:19.38 | valdyn | secret for who? |
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| 22:20.07 | xNinja | when someone access my server he wont see it...unless he`s good :P |
| 22:20.17 | valdyn | or unless he's a bot |
| 22:20.19 | xNinja | ls -lFa shows how many spaces in the dir name |
| 22:20.32 | orudie | i'im having trouble installing mysql-server , get error about failed to fetch http://debian.org....gpg , any ideas ? |
| 22:21.06 | babilen | orudie: paste the complete output somewhere please |
| 22:21.08 | jelly-home | orudie: pastebin the actual (and complete) error |
| 22:21.18 | jelly-home | orudie: and the command used |
| 22:21.19 | jelly-home | !paste |
| 22:21.19 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 22:21.21 | abrotman | orudie: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 22:23.27 | RunLvL3 | Could anyone provide me with a good lenny repo list? Thanks |
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| 22:26.59 | wonderwal | is the ibm jdk available on debian? |
| 22:27.04 | abrotman | no |
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| 22:27.12 | andre_pl | I just ran a 72 hour e2fsck on a 1TB Drive thats been giving me problems... after the 72 hours I got this message: Could not allocate block in ext2 filesystem while updating bad block inode anyone know if theres a way I can check to see if it managed to mark any of the bad blocks, or if theres something I can do to attempt to re-repair it? |
| 22:27.21 | abrotman | you have a sample on your system already .. man 5 sources.list |
| 22:27.41 | dutchfish | wonderwal, you dont mean netbeans? |
| 22:27.51 | wonderwal | i mean the ibm jdk :P |
| 22:27.55 | dutchfish | ok |
| 22:28.26 | wonderwal | i see the sun one is available |
| 22:28.32 | wonderwal | but i need an alternative |
| 22:28.37 | jelly-home | andre_pl: ext3-users mailing list? |
| 22:29.06 | orudie | babilen, jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/m5d5b3a04 |
| 22:29.24 | abrotman | wonderwal: there are other JREs in debian |
| 22:29.59 | jelly-home | andre_pl: dumpe2fs can be used to see what blocks the fs already has marked as bad |
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| 22:30.34 | andre_pl | jelly-home: thanks, that should help... I'm wondering mostly if the error was due to running out of free space on the drive, or running out of ram or something else entirely. |
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| 22:31.11 | jelly-home | orudie: dns or connectivity issues |
| 22:31.36 | jelly-home | orudie: basically, your system can't look up the ip address for "http.us.debian.org" |
| 22:32.08 | andre_pl | jelly-home: dumpe2fs says it cant find a valid superblock on /dev/sdb1 ... seems like the e2fsck completely killed my drive. :( |
| 22:32.11 | hatter_au | is hosts.allow not relevant when using DNAT ? |
| 22:32.41 | babilen | orudie: I guess your sources.list is wrong. Use something like: http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=13181#a13181 |
| 22:33.12 | abrotman | what about security ? |
| 22:33.15 | babilen | orudie: or you have dns issues. can you ping the mirror in your sources.list? |
| 22:33.31 | abrotman | babilen: he said he had GPG errors |
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| 22:34.23 | babilen | abrotman: look at the paste. And the paste is not meant as a complete sources.list -- although it is a better idea to provide a full one. |
| 22:34.33 | jelly-home | abrotman: no, he said http://pastebin.com/m5d5b3a04 |
| 22:34.40 | valdyn | hatter_au: hosts.allow cant matter at the kernel level |
| 22:34.55 | abrotman | babilen: i did look at the paste |
| 22:35.23 | hatter_au | valdyn, ah, so am i confused about which part of the process is DNAT is... |
| 22:35.27 | abrotman | oh, he only did half the error orginally |
| 22:35.54 | babilen | orudie: http://hpaste.org/fastcgi/hpaste.fcgi/view?id=13182#a13182 |
| 22:36.02 | valdyn | hatter_au: dnat is setup with "iptables" and that sets rules in your kernel level firewall |
| 22:37.46 | valdyn | hatter_au: you should probably read "man tcpd" |
| 22:37.48 | hatter_au | valdyn, i want to restrict access to DNAT to an ip address, i can still do this ? |
| 22:38.01 | hatter_au | valdyn, ok i will read this thx |
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| 22:38.08 | valdyn | hatter_au: uh, thats trivial |
| 22:38.25 | valdyn | hatter_au: when you DNAT, then you *already* specify a source in the iptables command |
| 22:38.48 | valdyn | hatter_au: makeing that "source" specialised to one single host is just trivial... |
| 22:39.07 | hatter_au | valdyn, but the source is passing through the box, i mean an external source |
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| 22:39.20 | valdyn | hatter_au: why is that a "but" ? |
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| 22:46.19 | Seth_Hikaru | Is there a way from disabling Synaptic Package Manager from telling you what you have to uninstall when you want something totally removed? |
| 22:46.29 | Seth_Hikaru | way to* |
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| 22:49.06 | Seth_Hikaru | So is anyone here able to help me or am I talking to a mostly idle channel? |
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| 22:49.42 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 22:50.45 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 22:51.11 | themill | Seth_Hikaru: I, for one, don't understand what you're asking. |
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| 22:53.21 | Seth_Hikaru | Ok lets say you unistall wodim for example |
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| 22:53.44 | helo | why is a safe-upgrade pulling from testing, even though i have nothing but lenny in sources.list? |
| 22:54.37 | babilen | helo: You never had squeeze in your sources.list? |
| 22:54.59 | Seth_Hikaru | It also says other packages need to be removed to proceed. So my question is, is there a way to tell Synaptic Package Manager to ignore the other packages it needs to remove? |
| 22:55.15 | babilen | helo: Probably solved by 'aptitude update' if not, paste your sources.list and the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
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| 22:55.54 | Seth_Hikaru | Ok lets say you unistall wodim for example, it also says other packages need to be removed to proceed. So my question is, is there a way to tell Synaptic Package Manager to ignore the other packages it needs to remove? |
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| 22:56.22 | themill | !show sources.list helo |
| 22:56.22 | dpkg | helo: Please pastebin the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list. The easiest way to do this is to pastebin the output of: find /etc/apt/ -name '*.list' -printf "\n%p:\n" -exec cat {} \; |
| 22:56.27 | Seth_Hikaru | Does anyone know? |
| 22:56.35 | qwd | !patience |
| 22:56.35 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
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| 22:57.29 | themill | Seth_Hikaru: normally people want this functionality -- why do you not want it? |
| 22:57.55 | Seth_Hikaru | because it wants to unistall gnome and gnome desktop |
| 22:57.58 | Seth_Hikaru | I need them |
| 22:58.06 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: those are both metapackages |
| 22:58.14 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: why do you want to uninstall wodim? |
| 22:58.16 | themill | Seth_Hikaru: tell it to *install* gnome and it won't do that. |
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| 22:58.25 | Seth_Hikaru | So it won't effect anything? |
| 22:58.52 | Seth_Hikaru | whats about gnome-desktop-environment? |
| 22:59.04 | orudie | /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 22:59.04 | orudie | No apache MPM package installed |
| 22:59.11 | orudie | anyone knows what this could be ? |
| 22:59.13 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: it's also a meta package; it depends on the packages which provide the DE |
| 22:59.23 | dondelelcaro | orudie: you don't ahve one of the apache2-mpm-*; installed |
| 22:59.28 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
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| 22:59.55 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: but if you tell us what you're actually trying to do, we may be able to help you |
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| 23:00.25 | Seth_Hikaru | Just uninstall junk from the gnome package |
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| 23:00.50 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm running an actual IBM server and I don't want useless crap |
| 23:00.52 | babilen | Seth_Hikaru: If you want to remove wodim, which was pulled in as a dependency of the 'gnome' metapackage you have to 'install' (mark as wanted) all packages that you don't want to remove. |
| 23:01.06 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: if you're running a server, why do you have gnome installed at all? |
| 23:01.20 | themill | Apparently, gnome isn't useless crap on a server... |
| 23:01.21 | Seth_Hikaru | Because I need it. |
| 23:01.33 | dondelelcaro | boggles; ok... |
| 23:01.37 | Seth_Hikaru | I have 16gb of memory |
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| 23:01.51 | xNinja | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| 23:01.52 | xNinja | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:01.52 | xNinja | Aborted |
| 23:01.58 | Seth_Hikaru | do you think it really fricking matters whether I have gnome? |
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| 23:02.09 | xNinja | that was after running apt-get update ! |
| 23:02.13 | dondelelcaro | Seth_Hikaru: it makes no difference to me, it just seems odd. |
| 23:02.15 | xNinja | i think a little memory i have |
| 23:02.19 | babilen | Seth_Hikaru: You probably want to start with 'gnome-core' and mark others that you need. |
| 23:02.19 | Seth_Hikaru | Not really. |
| 23:02.22 | orudie | dondelelcaro, i tried apt-get install apache2-mpm* and it trhows more dependencies |
| 23:02.36 | dondelelcaro | orudie: no, no... you want just *one* of the mpm packages. |
| 23:02.37 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
| 23:02.53 | dondelelcaro | orudie: if you don't know which, I suggest installing apache2-mpm-prefork; (or possibly worker) |
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| 23:03.40 | themill | Seth_Hikaru: If you only want bits of gnome, then you're going to need to mark gnome-core and a few other bits as "install" in synaptic. I still don't know why you are worried about having wodim installed though. |
| 23:03.53 | dondelelcaro | xNinja: that's kind of an odd error; does this machine have a very small amount of memory? |
| 23:04.02 | dondelelcaro | (where small is less than say, 128M or 64M) |
| 23:04.05 | babilen | Seth_Hikaru: But i still don't get why you would want to install gnome on a server. But if that is your wish, that is the way to do it. |
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| 23:04.51 | xNinja | dondelelcaro its a vps with 128m |
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| 23:05.08 | dondelelcaro | xNinja: hrm... that should be enough, unless you have more than the default entries in your sources.list |
| 23:05.20 | dondelelcaro | (or are running lots of things that take up memory) |
| 23:05.45 | orudie | dondelelcaro, i think i have all kinds of apache errors, i am trying to reinstall apache entirely what do you think ? |
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| 23:06.02 | dondelelcaro | orudie: show us the exact errors; use a paste site to do so |
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| 23:07.20 | wonderwal | if tcpdump shows a syn packet say incoming to port 80 , does it mean the syn packet definitely "reached" my http server, or could it be dropped by the os? |
| 23:08.00 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: unless you've got something really wonky, it means that it did |
| 23:08.27 | wonderwal | dondelcaro: im curious, will tcpdump show the syn packet if the os dropped it? |
| 23:08.29 | xNinja | dondelelcaro nothing running there!! |
| 23:08.34 | wonderwal | lets say tcp backlog queue is full |
| 23:08.40 | wonderwal | or other cases |
| 23:08.44 | gusto | .. |
| 23:08.48 | gusto | :-) |
| 23:09.11 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: yes |
| 23:09.13 | xNinja | 1 running python script was taking a lot of memory |
| 23:09.14 | Seth_Hikaru | So if uninstall gnome-desktop-environment, I'll still have gnome? |
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| 23:09.51 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: well, sorry, it depends. If you drop it using iptables, yes, it'll show up. if it dropped because the kernel couldn't handle it, it'll show up as a dropped packet |
| 23:09.52 | xNinja | whats commands to see the free memory ? i remember m but i dont have that |
| 23:09.57 | dondelelcaro | xNinja: free |
| 23:10.04 | orudie | dondelelcaro, http://dpaste.com/125222/ |
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| 23:10.22 | xNinja | ooh shit it was free -m |
| 23:10.57 | themill | Seth_Hikaru: It depends on what your definition of "gnome" is. Most people would consider that gnome has a CD burning application as part of it but you don't. If you uninstall g-d-e, then you'll only have gnome-core left, and many would say that's not what you want. |
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| 23:10.59 | wonderwal | dondelcaro: i have a weird problem. my application server is not accepting connections im trying to make sometimes. tcdump shows the syn packet, /var/log/messages shows northing, what else should i check? |
| 23:11.00 | dondelelcaro | orudie: run aptitude update; then aptitude install apache2-mpm-prefork apache2.2-common; |
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| 23:11.29 | wonderwal | dondelcaro: and the app server is quite busy, has thousnads of concurrent connections and is constantly receiving |
| 23:11.43 | themill | Seth_Hikaru: you probably want to look at the other dependencies of g-d-e and decide if you want them. |
| 23:11.47 | Seth_Hikaru | themill: I was talking about that exact package with the exact name of "gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 23:11.47 | xNinja | thanks dondelelcaro |
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| 23:11.59 | themill | Seth_Hikaru: I know. |
| 23:12.05 | Innocentus | hi all |
| 23:12.08 | Seth_Hikaru | Just that exact package |
| 23:12.10 | Innocentus | nice that there is a debian-channel |
| 23:12.18 | Innocentus | anyone online? |
| 23:12.23 | Seth_Hikaru | Will i still have my gnome gui is that is uninstalled? |
| 23:12.27 | themill | dpkg: tell Seth_Hikaru about install gnome |
| 23:12.30 | Seth_Hikaru | if that* |
| 23:12.40 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: I'd suspect that the application server first; I'm not an expert at that particular bit of code under high load, though |
| 23:12.57 | Xenguy | Innocentus: nobody here man |
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| 23:13.01 | Seth_Hikaru | Ok then that fixes that then. |
| 23:13.22 | wonderwal | dondelcaro: well im of opinion its not the app server , do you know what at the os level or tcp/ip level could cause this? |
| 23:13.22 | themill | Seth_Hikaru: you'll have to look at the dependencies of that package yourself. You're the one who wants to micro-optimised what is installed and only you know what you consider to necessary and what you consider to be too much. |
| 23:13.58 | Innocentus | I want to use my debian as smtp/pop3-testserver. I want to send a mail with the postfix-server and then I want that this mail is directly routed / transferred to a pop3-box which is also on this server - without any internet |
| 23:14.02 | Innocentus | how? |
| 23:14.04 | Innocentus | how can I emulate this behaviour? |
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| 23:14.05 | Seth_Hikaru | But I just wanted to make sure I didn't remove my whole entire gnome like I did last night. |
| 23:14.15 | orudie | dondelelcaro, it worked tnks |
| 23:14.17 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: are you getting ECONNREFUSED? or what? |
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| 23:15.15 | wonderwal | dondelcaro: im trying in netcat, and i just see netcat sending probably 4 syn packets until it gets ack. which other tools should i try? |
| 23:15.44 | Innocentus | so anyone here who has some general experience with debian? |
| 23:16.04 | dondelelcaro | Innocentus: what about it? |
| 23:16.35 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: ok, just guessing, but most likely you're hitting the backlog length, and your application server isn't accept()'ing new connections fast enough. |
| 23:16.58 | wonderwal | dondelcaro: i checked backlog length, im not hitting it, but good suggestion |
| 23:17.12 | xNinja | wow used memory 101 free 26 ! |
| 23:17.18 | xNinja | i should upgrade my vps |
| 23:17.24 | Xenguy | Innocentus: mail server configuration can be non-trivial, depending on what you want to do. Reading and research may be required ;-) |
| 23:17.41 | themill | s/may be/is/ |
| 23:17.48 | Xenguy | heheh |
| 23:18.06 | dondelelcaro | wonderwal: someone else may have a better clue then; it's not something I've dealt much with |
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| 23:18.52 | sc | Memory Usage: 881.92MB/8002.91MB (11.02%) |
| 23:18.53 | sc | :( |
| 23:18.55 | jelly-home | Innocentus: what do you mean by "directly routed/transferred"? How is this different from having an smtp and mailbox storage on the same machine, and the smtp server configured to deliver to the storage? |
| 23:19.04 | dondelelcaro | (but unless we're talking about more than 10K connections per minute, I wouldn't suspect the OS) |
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| 23:21.08 | dondelelcaro | orudie: np |
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| 23:24.55 | soreau | If debian releases are named after toystory characters, then who is 'squeeze' in toystory? |
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| 23:25.21 | dondelelcaro | soreau: the alien squeeze toys |
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| 23:26.04 | soreau | That's the one thing I could find but it wasn't a single name so I didn't know if that was right |
| 23:26.10 | soreau | Thanks for clarifying dondelelcaro |
| 23:26.18 | xNinja | sc and you dont like that memory ha...what a one trying to make me sad :P |
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| 23:29.31 | orudie | how to apply changes to .bashrc file after editing it ? is it sources... somthing ... |
| 23:29.40 | xNinja | bash |
| 23:29.42 | dondelelcaro | orudie: . .bashrc; |
| 23:29.44 | peterrooney | orudie: "source" or "." |
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| 23:31.15 | wonderwal | dondelcaro: so tcpdump actually intercepts packets bfore iptables sees them? |
| 23:31.53 | koollman | wonderwal: yes. |
| 23:31.56 | pipeline | in a manner of speaking |
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| 23:38.52 | wonderwal | lets say tcp queue is full, will tcpdump still show the syn packet? |
| 23:38.52 | Innocentus | jelly-home: exact,y |
| 23:38.53 | wonderwal | im trying to figure out at which level tcpdump runs really |
| 23:38.53 | jelly-home | Innocentus: ? |
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| 23:38.53 | Innocentus | jelly-home: that what you have described - that I want to do with my debian installation |
| 23:38.53 | Innocentus | how can I archieve this? |
| 23:38.53 | jelly-home | wonderwal: it seems to work near the card, before any of iptables crap, so yes, you see the tcp syns and everything even if the app listening on the port isn't going to do anything with them |
| 23:38.53 | jelly-home | Innocentus: um... install a smtp server and a pop3 server and set them up. |
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| 23:38.53 | jelly-home | Innocentus: for example, postfix and dovecot-pop3d |
| 23:38.54 | Innocentus | ok |
| 23:38.54 | koollman | wonderwal: as I said before, tcpdumps shows what the card receives. |
| 23:38.54 | Innocentus | but ... how to configure it? |
| 23:38.54 | wonderwal | ok thanks guys, is there a way to make iptables log every single event? |
| 23:38.54 | koollman | wonderwal: it seems like a bad idea, or a good way to have huge logs :) |
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| 23:38.54 | koollman | wonderwal: what are you trying to do ? |
| 23:38.54 | wonderwal | how? |
| 23:38.55 | jelly-home | Innocentus: if you don't know better, use the defaults and read the documentation. |
| 23:38.55 | koollman | wonderwal: you can add a simple iptables rule that targets LOG , in each default table. |
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| 23:39.44 | wonderwal | koolman: let's say a SYN packet is sent to my server. the chain it follows is : NIC->kernel->iptables->app server? |
| 23:40.16 | Innocentus | jelly-home: I have tried many things |
| 23:40.26 | Innocentus | jelly-home: the thing is that I don't want to have any internet required |
| 23:40.38 | wonderwal | koolman: i need to figure out at which point the syn packet is being dropped or ignored. i dont believe its my app server, tcpdump shows the syn packet, so im trying to investigate the other 2 |
| 23:41.06 | jelly-home | Innocentus: ok, and where's was the problem? |
| 23:41.27 | jelly-home | Innocentus: what failed to work if after you disconnected the internet?\ |
| 23:42.02 | Innocentus | jelly-home: postifx has to resolve the dns, then "he" has to connect to the local running mailbox-server (pop3) |
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| 23:42.18 | Innocentus | jelly-home: the pop3-server has to accept the mail so that I can fetch it with an external program - like outlook |
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| 23:42.55 | wonderwal | oh and le me mention, i ran iptables -F and the packet still didnt seem to reach my app server. the app server has a loop where it calls accept() |
| 23:42.58 | koollman | wonderwal: iptables-save , will show every defined rules. if you have any, you can start there. Next usual suspect is to check that the server actually listens to the ip reached. |
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| 23:43.43 | jelly-home | Innocentus: postfix calls a mail-delivery-agent to deliver the mail into a mailbox store. This is usually completely detached from a pop3 service which merely accesses the sam mailbox store. |
| 23:43.59 | jelly-home | Innocentus: so... what exactly failed to work? |
| 23:44.07 | wonderwal | koolman: the server listens for sure |
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| 23:45.47 | jelly-home | Innocentus: as for the dns part, you can either set up a local dns server, or configure postfix not to _require_ dns, but to accept /etc/hosts entries\ |
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| 23:46.34 | sproaty | why is it preferred to use install over cp in debian/rules for a package? |
| 23:46.58 | wonderwal | koolman: if the kernel is dropping the packet, would it show in /var/log/messages? |
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| 23:50.21 | jelly-home | Innocentus: http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_host_lookup |
| 23:50.23 | Innocentus | jelly-home: that /etc/hosts thing sound cool |
| 23:50.31 | Innocentus | oh ywa |
| 23:51.08 | Innocentus | avahi sounds also interesting - can I configure the dns-thing so that example.com would route to localhost |
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| 23:52.57 | jvogel | how do you chagne font size of virtual terminal |
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| 23:53.05 | jvogel | is that the right word for a termianl that's not in X |
| 23:53.57 | jelly-home | jvogel: if you're not using a frambuffer console, you can only choose between 8x8, 8x14 and 8x16 character sizes |
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| 23:55.23 | jvogel | jelly-home: what do i do |
| 23:55.36 | jvogel | by default its really big so |
| 23:55.40 | jvogel | im not sure what it is |
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| 23:56.09 | jelly-home | jvogel: if you're going to use X most of the time, just leave it that way |
| 23:56.38 | jvogel | ye ai know |
| 23:56.48 | jvogel | but i want it setupif its not a pain in the ass |
| 23:57.00 | jvogel | im setting up my system and need to not be in x for a while |
| 23:57.02 | jelly-home | jvogel: setting up a framebuffer console is going to make X less stable |
| 23:57.06 | jvogel | i'd like to have more screen realestate |
| 23:57.12 | jvogel | well i dont need that like you said |
| 23:57.27 | jvogel | if i can just get a littl more room on the screen without mesing anything up that'd be good |
| 23:57.32 | centHOGG | debian safemode? |
| 23:57.39 | jelly-home | jvogel: won't happen |
| 23:58.35 | jvogel | oh |
| 23:58.35 | naquad | are there any applets displaying power source and battery charge w/o kde/gnome requirement? |
| 23:58.39 | jvogel | someone told me it was esay |
| 23:58.50 | jvogel | they just set some kinda flag somewhere |
| 23:58.50 | jvogel | maybe they were runnig bsd those |
| 23:58.52 | jvogel | tho* |
| 23:59.20 | jvogel | naquad: you dont need to run kde/gnome to use something like gnome-power-manager |
| 23:59.24 | jelly-home | jvogel: someone neglected to tell you using a framebuffer console, while setting it up being easy, often makes X less stable with hard-to-debug issues |
| 23:59.27 | jvogel | you can use it in xfce for example |
| 23:59.37 | jvogel | jelly-home: ok |
| 23:59.55 | jelly-home | naquad: there's probably a good number of wmaker applets |