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| 00:00.43 | naquad | jvogel: there are too many dependencies for gnome-power-manager. |
| 00:01.03 | jvogel | naquad: try kde's LOL |
| 00:01.19 | TheAvatar693 | http://nopaste.dk/p1600 - Any idea of what could cause this? I replaced all the hardware, I recall I switched from ide to sata etc - but the issue still happens... |
| 00:01.21 | jvogel | unless you running like a P1 w/16 MB of ram i dont see the issue :P |
| 00:01.30 | centHOGG | heh |
| 00:01.31 | naquad | jvogel: =\ |
| 00:01.35 | jvogel | lol |
| 00:01.42 | jvogel | i run gnome power manager |
| 00:01.45 | centHOGG | <old rigs plenty |
| 00:01.50 | jvogel | and my system uses 10% of memory |
| 00:01.50 | naquad | jelly-home: indeed! thank you. wmaker's applet got only 1 dep |
| 00:01.59 | jvogel | 8% of tha tis probalby firefox |
| 00:02.03 | naquad | jvogel: i've got aa1 with limited space |
| 00:02.10 | jvogel | oh |
| 00:02.10 | jvogel | ok |
| 00:02.23 | jvogel | are you running X? |
| 00:02.37 | jvogel | just install xmobar |
| 00:02.43 | jvogel | i use acpi for my battery life |
| 00:03.20 | jvogel | http://friedpancakes.com/~jonathan/xmonad.xmobar.awesomeness.20091004.png see top panel w/ battery life |
| 00:03.36 | jvogel | acpi | gawk '{print $4, $5, $6}' |
| 00:03.36 | naquad | it's in haskell :( |
| 00:03.44 | jvogel | yeah the lightest weight shit ever |
| 00:03.52 | jvogel | xmobar is probably leik 5 lines of code |
| 00:04.36 | naquad | starts to think about conky and forget about all monitoring troubles |
| 00:04.43 | jelly-home | or xfce, but that's almost the same bloatage as the major two players |
| 00:04.49 | jelly-home | jvogel: use setfont or consolechars to set a console font. There will be some fonts under /usr/share/consolefonts |
| 00:05.32 | jvogel | jelly-home: with that i can set size? |
| 00:05.54 | jvogel | i dont have 'setfont' command |
| 00:06.10 | jelly-home | jvogel: you can "choose" between fonts of 8x8, 8x14 or 8x16 pixels. The resolution won't change. |
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| 00:07.15 | jelly-home | jvogel: so you can have 80x50 characters, but with an ugly squashed 8x8 font |
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| 00:13.32 | lucy | help |
| 00:13.50 | lucy | ? |
| 00:13.51 | lucy | q |
| 00:13.56 | lucy | enter |
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| 00:41.48 | Lustra | Hello. I have just installed Debian on my PC and I am struggling to connect to wired internet. I thought it would automatically connect but it has not. I have no idea what I am suppose to do (newbie) - Please could someone help me? |
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| 00:48.10 | puff | Hey, on debian does it default to remote root login not allowed (e..g via ssh) ? |
| 00:48.15 | kermit | Lustra: run ubuntu |
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| 00:48.24 | jpinx-eeepc | puff no |
| 00:48.36 | puff | Really? |
| 00:48.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Lustra: it should connect as default |
| 00:48.51 | puff | Hm, odd, I'd have expected debian to be more paranoid. |
| 00:49.13 | jpinx-eeepc | puff: debian is stable - not paranoid ;) |
| 00:49.20 | zinx | puff: a default debian install does disallow root login through ssh :/ |
| 00:49.35 | zinx | or at least used to |
| 00:49.39 | jpinx-eeepc | zinx: double check that |
| 00:49.59 | jpinx-eeepc | we had this exact discussion on here a couple of days ago |
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| 00:53.53 | orudie | how can i give one of my users root rights or admin rights ? |
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| 00:54.23 | markybob | !sudo |
| 00:54.23 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 00:54.31 | \amethyst | orudie: as root run visudo and add a line username ALL=(root) ALL |
| 00:55.02 | jpinx-eeepc | orudie: read and understand man sudo |
| 00:55.06 | puff | Is aptitude standard on debian, these days? |
| 00:55.14 | jpinx-eeepc | puff yes |
| 00:55.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitude |
| 00:55.19 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 00:55.20 | puff | Cool. |
| 00:55.36 | franki^ | aptitude <3 |
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| 00:59.38 | orudie | is it ok to use root user to do everything i'm talking over 90% of administration |
| 00:59.51 | RunLvL3 | What does everyone prefer: sudo or being root? My friend and I are having a discussion on what is safe practice and what is prefered. |
| 01:00.10 | MAd_haTTer | sudo |
| 01:00.39 | RunLvL3 | root4life |
| 01:00.51 | orudie | i vote sudo what about the rest of you guys ? |
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| 01:01.38 | zinx | i just log in as Administrator |
| 01:01.53 | \amethyst | 'Administrator'? |
| 01:03.28 | jpinx-eeepc | ruben23: depends on the situation |
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| 01:03.43 | jpinx-eeepc | RunLvL3: ^^ |
| 01:04.17 | jpinx-eeepc | RunLvL3: some situations you can hang around as root safely - others need root guarded by sudo |
| 01:04.59 | jpinx-eeepc | zinx: did you create a user called administrator? |
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| 01:07.56 | orudie | i just did apt-get install phpmyadmin and www.mydomain.com/phpmyadmin prompts me to download a .php file |
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| 01:10.11 | jpinx-eeepc | orudie: did you not read that comment about using aptitude? |
| 01:10.33 | \amethyst | orudie: you probably need libphp5-mod-apache2 |
| 01:10.37 | orudie | jpinx-eeepc, no i dont know what you are tlaking about |
| 01:10.54 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitude |
| 01:10.54 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). It can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 01:11.05 | \amethyst | orudie: any other configuration will require manual work to have apache serve php |
| 01:11.18 | jpinx-eeepc | orudie: what are you trying to install? |
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| 01:12.53 | nevyn | so I can't make aptitude search do what I want I end up still using apt-cache search |
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| 01:13.13 | jpinx-eeepc | nevyn: what do you want to search? |
| 01:13.21 | orudie | jpinx-eeepc, just phpmyadmin i'm used to it . |
| 01:13.27 | orudie | i'm not sure whats wrong |
| 01:13.39 | qwd | sometimes when a game in wine crashes you're left with a very low resolution, is there any way to fix that other than restarting x by ctrl-alt-backspace? |
| 01:13.41 | nevyn | jpinx-eeepc: generally whatever apt-cache search searches. |
| 01:13.54 | nevyn | which Is descriptions and names I think |
| 01:14.18 | jpinx-eeepc | nevyn: aptitude search <term> works |
| 01:14.54 | jpinx-eeepc | orudie: dod you have apache and php5 working already? |
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| 01:15.46 | jpinx-eeepc | orudie: do aptitude search phpmyadmin to see what it depends on |
| 01:16.06 | orudie | apache was working for sure |
| 01:16.15 | orudie | php5 i'm not sure, how can I check jpinx-eeepc ? |
| 01:16.26 | qwd | ah solved it by doing alt+f2 and guessing my way to gnome-display-settings, then tabbing to an "apply" I couldn't see |
| 01:16.49 | jpinx-eeepc | orudie: did you install it? |
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| 01:17.33 | orudie | jpinx-eeepc, installed php5 but i remember giving an error it was a while ago , so i'm not sure |
| 01:17.46 | jpinx-eeepc | orudie: re-install it |
| 01:18.06 | nevyn | jpinx-eeepc: nope |
| 01:18.10 | orudie | jpinx-eeepc, whats a proper way of reinstalling php5 ? |
| 01:18.19 | nevyn | jpinx-eeepc: test with aptitude search genetics vs apt-cache search genetics |
| 01:19.37 | jvogel | The following packages have unmet dependencies: pidgin: Depends: libpurple0 (>= 2.6.0) but it is not going to be installed |
| 01:19.40 | jvogel | is there a solution for that |
| 01:19.46 | jvogel | pidgin broken |
| 01:19.46 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions genetics |
| 01:19.46 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: genetics -- |
| 01:20.36 | jpinx-eeepc | nevyn: not listed here either - odd. |
| 01:21.14 | jpinx-eeepc | nevyn: you might have found an exception - check in debian.org |
| 01:21.37 | jpinx-eeepc | !install it |
| 01:21.37 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude. |
| 01:22.13 | jpinx-eeepc | ooops - I meant reinstall |
| 01:22.23 | puff | RunLvL3:, orudie, one nice thing about using sudo for most things is that you automatically have a log of what packages were installed, by whom. |
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| 01:22.38 | \amethyst | jvogel: what version of Debian are you using? |
| 01:22.52 | \amethyst | jvogel: there is a libpurple0 >= 2.6.0 in both squeeze and sid |
| 01:23.02 | \amethyst | jvogel: and in lenny-backports unless you're on itanium |
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| 01:23.24 | \amethyst | jvogel: what happens when you specifically add libpurple0 to the packages to be installed? |
| 01:23.28 | jpinx-eeepc | puff: you have that anyway in aptitude logs |
| 01:23.53 | \amethyst | jvogel: it might be that you have something else installed that depends on an older libpurple0 |
| 01:23.58 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell orudie about reinstall |
| 01:24.35 | puff | jpinx-eeepc: Not "who". |
| 01:24.50 | jvogel | \amethyst: testing |
| 01:25.17 | jvogel | \amethyst: you mean if i try |
| 01:25.21 | jvogel | apt-get install libpurple0 |
| 01:26.48 | jpinx-eeepc | puff: not sure what you mean - everything is installed by root |
| 01:26.55 | \amethyst | jvogel: apti-get install pidgin libpurple0 |
| 01:26.56 | orudie | l:) |
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| 01:27.10 | orudie | nice nice |
| 01:27.13 | \amethyst | jvogel: oops, aptitude or apt-get, not apti-get |
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| 01:29.43 | phorce1 | hmmm, I haven't run apdate in a while. 46 packages upgraded. Need to get 114MB of archives <sigh> |
| 01:30.00 | orudie | i cant find a nice guide for .bashrc file |
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| 01:32.50 | orudie | i'm really stuck on this |
| 01:32.54 | orudie | not .bashrc |
| 01:33.07 | nevyn | jpinx-eeepc: dude.. I picked genetics at random off the top of my head |
| 01:33.23 | orudie | but trying to get www.mydomain.com/phpmyadmin to just load up in my browser - instead, it keeps asking me to download the .php file :( |
| 01:33.46 | jvogel | \amethyst: http://pastebin.ca/1687569 |
| 01:34.06 | Meths | orudie: did you enable mod-php? |
| 01:34.31 | jpinx-eeepc | nevyn: fairysnuff :) |
| 01:34.53 | jpinx-eeepc | orudie: you don't have apache and php configured adn running properly |
| 01:35.28 | orudie | Meths, no just plain install with aptitude install php5 and apache2 |
| 01:35.47 | orudie | also aptitude install mysql-server |
| 01:35.49 | orudie | all done |
| 01:35.57 | Meths | orudie: then you need to fix up the apache.conf to load php |
| 01:36.00 | orudie | not seeing any sign of error, just doesnt open in the browser |
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| 01:36.32 | xNinja | -A FORWARD -p tcp --dport 80 -d proxyip -sport 8080 --j ACCEPT is that right ? to forward all traffic from port 80 to external proxy at port 8080 ? |
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| 01:39.32 | phorce1 | orudie: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 01:42.59 | sproaty | why is it preferred to use install over cp in debian/rules for a package? |
| 01:44.29 | \amethyst | sproaty: it lets you specify the ownership, permissions, etc of the destination files |
| 01:45.21 | RunLvL3 | Meths, you were wrong on how to fix orudie's problem :D. the problem is that he needed to tell apache to allow .php handler |
| 01:45.23 | sproaty | I don't really care about any of those |
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| 01:47.19 | \amethyst | RunLvL3: yes, and those SetHandler directives are in /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf in package libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 01:47.41 | \amethyst | RunLvL3: installing that package and doing a2enmod php5 should be enough to make it work |
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| 01:48.57 | \amethyst | sproaty: you should care if you're making a debian package |
| 01:49.19 | puff | jpinx-eeepc: Yes, and if you use "sudo aptitude install" the you know who used root privs to install something. |
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| 01:49.34 | puff | jpinx-eeepc: By looknig at auth log. |
| 01:49.38 | jimi_hendrix | where do i report a possibly broken package |
| 01:49.43 | jimi_hendrix | (for sid) |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 01:49.44 | dpkg | [reportbug] used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting. Ask me about <report-bugs>. http://wiki.debian.org/reportbug |
| 01:49.46 | \amethyst | sproaty: if you just use cp, and root has a restrictive umask set, you might end up packaging files that aren't accessible to normal users, even if they should be |
| 01:49.53 | abrotman | puff: you would with using 'su' also |
| 01:50.02 | jimi_hendrix | ok |
| 01:50.15 | sproaty | \amethyst, I'm installing python files into /usr/lib, don't even know what permissions they have |
| 01:50.38 | jimi_hendrix | just in case its a known problem: i installed the sun-java6-jdk and eclipse, but eclipse cannot find the java install |
| 01:51.59 | RunLvL3 | \amethyst, but it doesnt always work like that. sometimes you have to make a php.conf and tell php how to handle extensions |
| 01:53.08 | RunLvL3 | err, tell apache* |
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| 01:53.26 | blizzow | I just finished a cent 5 install and everytime I try and do an xdmcp login, I get a black window. I already made sure that all tcp connections are allowed to X, and it's not disabled in /etc/gdm/custom.conf , the only slightly weird thing I see is that there is no /etc/init.d/gdm to restart. Is it named something else in cent? |
| 01:53.27 | \amethyst | RunLvL3: you mean like AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .phtml .php3 or <FilesMatch "\.ph(p3?|tml)$">SetHandler application/x-httpd-php ? |
| 01:55.13 | tensorpudding | blizzow: this is #debian, we don't deal with CentOS |
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| 01:58.09 | \amethyst | RunLvL3: aha, bug #491928 ... the /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf had a bug until recently, in that it said AddTypes when it should have been AddHandler or SetHandler |
| 01:58.49 | \amethyst | RunLvL3: so indeed you're right, there would be some cases where you'd need to do that manually, because of a bug in the libapache2-mod-php5 package |
| 02:03.31 | sproaty | if I get my application into ubuntu's repositories can it be "backported" (i think?) to debian itself? |
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| 02:03.57 | abrotman | sproaty: if you're willing to do the work to get it in Debian |
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| 02:04.18 | sproaty | shouldn't be much change; it's a simple python source install |
| 02:04.47 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 02:04.48 | dpkg | [mentors] the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 02:05.03 | sproaty | but then every release I'd have to make ubuntu/debian versions, as well as my windows exe/rpms...lot of effort |
| 02:05.34 | abrotman | sproaty: or you could just put it in Debian, and then ubuntu would get it automagically via universe or whatever it's called |
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| 02:06.09 | sproaty | ah cool. I have it as a .deb already |
| 02:06.36 | abrotman | sproaty: yes, but you have to make the package adhere to the Debian Python Policy .. |
| 02:06.49 | abrotman | and other package policies |
| 02:06.54 | sproaty | ah |
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| 02:11.52 | sproaty | easy to comply with the python policy :p |
| 02:12.15 | abrotman | is that a joke? |
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| 02:17.58 | sproaty | no |
| 02:18.02 | sproaty | It required hardly any changes |
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| 02:40.32 | the_dark_warrio | I've always had this doubt about Debian distribution: are the programs included in its repositories modified to provide more stability? Or are they "simply" the old versions of the programs? [sorry if this question is considered trolling, thats not my intention] |
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| 02:42.53 | icebrain | the_dark_warrio: many have debian specific patches to correct bugs, yes |
| 02:43.04 | icebrain | the_dark_warrio: some are equal to upstream, but other are vastly modified |
| 02:43.05 | icebrain | *others |
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| 02:43.34 | the_dark_warrio | I see. That's nice :) |
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| 02:52.58 | jaggz | how can I kill windows, which don't show in ps auxwf? I came back to pidgin (irc on a few nets) and found hundreds of bots have tried to send me files.. wth |
| 02:53.12 | abrotman | so kill the parent ? |
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| 02:53.19 | jaggz | too many windows that clicking "cancel cancel..." is driving me nuts |
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| 02:53.29 | jaggz | abrotman, without killing pidgin altogether.. could do that too |
| 02:53.41 | jaggz | lose scrollback |
| 02:53.57 | jaggz | just wondering if there was a way to do this |
| 02:54.16 | jaggz | or send keystrokes to a window by its id or description.. that might work |
| 02:54.30 | xNinja | is there a nice program to watch the bruteforce of sshd or other services ?? i need full details...like the tried user/pass and how many times |
| 02:54.56 | abrotman | jaggz: ctrl-w ? |
| 02:55.04 | Remmy | xNinja, use logwatch, you'll get a daily email detailing that. |
| 02:55.15 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: fail2ban |
| 02:55.18 | jaggz | class: Pidgin (pidgin pidgin) type: Dialog Window |
| 02:55.21 | d1b | xNinja: you will find the ssh attempts will drop if you just change the port number. |
| 02:55.36 | d1b | also it is a good idea to bump the logging level. |
| 02:55.42 | xNinja | d1b yeah thats the best to rest...but now i want to see what he`s upto |
| 02:56.07 | jaggz | duh, actually alt-c works for &Cancel |
| 02:56.22 | jaggz | thanks abrotman.. now to figure out how to stop the dcc spam offers |
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| 02:57.06 | jpinx-eeepc | jaggz: /help ignore |
| 02:57.13 | xNinja | something wrong the server went down! cant access it |
| 02:57.36 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: your attacker got in? |
| 02:58.25 | xNinja | i guess or maybe the hoster did stop the vps or something |
| 02:58.53 | xNinja | seems the server is unreachable |
| 02:59.16 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: can you ping the IP? |
| 02:59.31 | xNinja | nope! lol thats funny |
| 02:59.47 | \amethyst | or the attacker blocked your IP |
| 02:59.47 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: contact your provider |
| 03:00.22 | jaggz | no help ignore.. pidgin's weird :) |
| 03:00.35 | jpinx-eeepc | jaggz: try irssi |
| 03:01.25 | jaggz | used it.. need the gui one supporting multiple networks/protocols and such.. the unifiedness is nice.. probably a better unified client is out there too |
| 03:01.39 | xNinja | jpinx-eeepc thats funny |
| 03:01.42 | jpinx-eeepc | jaggz: irssi and bitlbee |
| 03:01.55 | jpinx-eeepc | jaggz: or ayttm |
| 03:02.22 | jpinx-eeepc | xNinja: hilarious ;) |
| 03:02.42 | jaggz | interesting.. my other computer's xine plays these h264 files fine -- fresh install of debian (from several months ago). this one was etch updated to lenny and its xine won't play them |
| 03:03.01 | xNinja | humm maybe i still got the time to get a refund :P |
| 03:03.52 | jaggz | on debian? :) |
| 03:04.57 | xNinja | yep |
| 03:05.27 | xNinja | wtf was that just little ssh bruteforce as i guess will get the server down or maybe a reason to let them take the server down !? |
| 03:06.04 | \amethyst | weren't you the one trying to do spoofed nmaps earlier on the same hosting provider? |
| 03:06.47 | jpinx-eeepc | he's probably got himself blacklisted |
| 03:06.48 | xNinja | \amethyst lol spoofed nmaps !? no i was trying to nmap my network |
| 03:06.57 | \amethyst | your network? |
| 03:07.00 | xNinja | yep |
| 03:07.09 | \amethyst | you mean the hosting provider's network? |
| 03:07.19 | xNinja | no! |
| 03:07.31 | \amethyst | oh, a different network, from the hosting provider? |
| 03:07.33 | xNinja | from hosting provider to my isp |
| 03:07.36 | xNinja | yep |
| 03:07.49 | \amethyst | so mayber your hosting provider thinks the intruder got in and started nmapping random networks |
| 03:08.01 | xNinja | :D |
| 03:08.20 | \amethyst | you may have triggered their alarms when you did that, and now they see a bunch of incoming ssh traffic and they think something is up |
| 03:08.34 | xNinja | maybe |
| 03:08.42 | jaggz | if you guys use any monitoring tools now I have a gander at which ones you might be using :) |
| 03:10.04 | titan8990 | jaggz, security monitoring? |
| 03:10.43 | jaggz | yeah |
| 03:11.14 | xNinja | can someone access the site Offshorehost.nl ? |
| 03:11.30 | jaggz | hey you know how they discovered plants could live on just like 3 basic chemicals.. I wonder if we could find what i could live on, although I'd lose my nutritional value |
| 03:14.46 | xNinja | ooh sorry they having network maintanance they mailed me before...but the timing was perfect thats why i got confused...the same time that guy was trying to access the sshd Network Maintenance 26-11-2009 |
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| 03:16.51 | xNinja | The purpose of this message is to inform you about a planned maintenance to our coreswitches. Due to this maintenance, our network will be unavailable tonight for about 15 minutes.During the maintenance period we will be replacing one coreswitch and we will be optimizing our VLANS towards the Netrouting network.We will start the maintenance at 0:00 and expect everything to be back online in approximately 15 minutes. We apologize for this inconvenience. |
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| 03:17.57 | xNinja | it wasnt nice to blame them...in fact i forget about the mail when i saw the attacks :D |
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| 03:22.01 | xsdg | sighs |
| 03:22.06 | xsdg | dash doesn't support >& |
| 03:22.33 | orudie | so I am stuck on this fresh install because for some reason apache2 is not reacting to .php files instantly |
| 03:23.36 | markybob | orudie, did you a2enmod? |
| 03:23.39 | orudie | i want apache2 to open my .php file but instead its opening some .html file |
| 03:23.49 | orudie | markybob, a2enmod php5 is fine |
| 03:24.16 | markybob | did you put php in front of htm/html ? |
| 03:25.51 | xNinja | how the vps provider can access the vps if i changed the password and i cant see what they doing ? what they using |
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| 03:27.45 | abrotman | look for the DirectoryIndex |
| 03:28.47 | qwd | Does a package need to be built for all architectures before going into testing or does this http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=iceweasel mean iceweasel *might* be updated in 8 days? |
| 03:29.17 | abrotman | !why is iceweasel not in testing |
| 03:29.17 | dpkg | iceweasel is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 03:29.45 | abrotman | probably the same info |
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| 03:31.45 | maxagaz | i'm in china, it's now possible to use domain name like ä½ å¥½.ä¸å½ (hello.cn), but now someone is asking me if I'm interesting to have just ä½ å¥½ as domaine name, it's sounds weird to me, do you think it's possible ? There's something I don't understand in the way all this work |
| 03:32.08 | maxagaz | They tell me that Internet Explorer works with it |
| 03:32.20 | abrotman | maxagaz: i thnik you want #dns |
| 03:32.29 | maxagaz | abrotman, ok, thanks |
| 03:32.35 | qwd | abrotman: yeah, that didn't answer the question :) though I see on http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xulrunner.html that xulrunner has been orphaned. that seems odd. |
| 03:33.08 | abrotman | oh yeah .. politics |
| 03:34.09 | PARLIAMENT | I'd like to run ps -e automatically every second for awhile and see the output in stdout.. there's a utility for that right? I forget what it's called |
| 03:34.35 | PARLIAMENT | well "ps -e | grep something" actually, it's a single line of output |
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| 03:35.34 | mmind | PARLIAMENT, watch is the utility |
| 03:36.37 | PARLIAMENT | that's it thanks |
| 03:37.07 | multi_io | why do these "linux-xenu" packages built by make-kpkg not provide linux-image or linux-modules? |
| 03:37.26 | \amethyst | qwd: the xulrunner *binary* package, which was version 1.8, is gone |
| 03:37.37 | abrotman | qwd: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520661 |
| 03:37.44 | \amethyst | qwd: the xulrunner source package now builds the xulrunner-1.9 binary package |
| 03:37.52 | multi_io | this makes the things totally incompatible with any external kernel module packages! |
| 03:37.54 | \amethyst | qwd: or 1.9.1 |
| 03:38.40 | abrotman | qwd: there were some changes recently WRT copyright stuffs .. xulrunner was orphaned |
| 03:42.42 | orudie | trying to install drupal on a new box. Can't figure out why apache picks up index.html instead of index.php in /var/www/mysite.org/ ? |
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| 03:42.56 | \amethyst | orudie: do you have /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf ? |
| 03:43.15 | \amethyst | orudie: you will have to edit the DirectoryIndex directive there so that index.php appears before index.html |
| 03:43.25 | \amethyst | orudie: I think by default index.html comes first |
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| 03:44.27 | orudie | \amethyst, i do have /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf |
| 03:44.49 | orudie | \amethyst, DirecotryIndex ? |
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| 03:45.11 | \amethyst | orudie: that file should contain a line like DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml index.htm |
| 03:45.23 | \amethyst | orudie: you'll have to change the order so that index.php comes before index.html |
| 03:45.31 | abrotman | why does the directory have both files? |
| 03:45.51 | \amethyst | abrotman has a good question :) |
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| 03:46.21 | abrotman | it happens some times .. |
| 03:46.34 | orudie | \amethyst, DirectoryIndex not found after locate DirectoryIndex |
| 03:46.47 | \amethyst | orudie: no, in the file /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/dir.conf |
| 03:47.04 | \amethyst | orudie: that file has a line that starts with DirectoryIndex |
| 03:47.08 | abrotman | it would be grep .. |
| 03:47.10 | \amethyst | orudie: you must edit the file and change that line |
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| 03:47.18 | \amethyst | it's only three lines long |
| 03:47.40 | \amethyst | oh, five, there are empty lines |
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| 03:49.10 | orudie | \amethyst, ok i just opened the file |
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| 03:49.47 | orudie | \amethyst, it only has 3 lines right now looks very basic dir.conf |
| 03:50.19 | \amethyst | orudie: and one of those lines has index.html before index.php ? |
| 03:50.23 | \amethyst | orudie: change that line |
| 03:50.42 | \amethyst | if it doesn't have index.php, add it before index.html |
| 03:50.56 | maxagaz | abrotman, there's nobody on dns |
| 03:51.03 | maxagaz | abrotman, on #dns |
| 03:52.04 | abrotman | maxagaz: your question isn't #debian related .. wait there for an answer |
| 03:52.44 | cesar_CR | hello guys, I've just installed debian squeeze and when I try to install anything, aptitude wants to uninstal way too much |
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| 03:52.55 | orudie | \amethyst, it worked very well thank you |
| 03:53.21 | cesar_CR | why aptitude wants to unisntall even gnome ? |
| 03:53.33 | abrotman | cesar_CR: what are you trying to install ? |
| 03:53.36 | \amethyst | maxagaz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_name |
| 03:54.33 | cesar_CR | abrotman, vim for example |
| 03:54.57 | cesar_CR | abrotman, and I've just have found that synaptic is not installed |
| 03:55.36 | \amethyst | maxagaz: when I, outside of China, type http://ä½ å¥½.ä¸å½/ into a browser I get directed to http://www.xn--6qq79v.xn--fiqs8s/ which doesn't work since there's no such TLD. I guess your ISP treats .xn--fiqs8s as an alias for .cn |
| 03:56.02 | abrotman | cesar_CR: man aptitude .. see markauto and unmarkauto .. |
| 03:56.25 | \amethyst | maxagaz: soon (it was approved a week or so ago), .xn--fiqs8s / .ä¸å½ will be a real tld |
| 03:56.25 | cesar_CR | abrotman, ok thanks |
| 03:56.50 | abrotman | cesar_CR: but it really shouldn't be doing that .. make sure your sources are up to date |
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| 03:57.41 | \amethyst | maxagaz: as for just plain ä½ å¥½, that would either require a TLD .xn--6qq79v (which is unlikely to happen), *or* they're relying on e.g. Firefox translating http://ä½ å¥½/ into http://ä½ å¥½.com/ |
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| 03:58.56 | \amethyst | maxagaz: (that .com address is registered by someone in Taiwan, but seems to be a parked site) |
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| 04:00.02 | maxagaz | \amethyst, ä½ å¥½ was probably a bad example, but *a lot* for your explanations |
| 04:00.17 | xuser | How do I set the locale to utf? |
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| 04:01.42 | \amethyst | maxagaz: fyi, international top-level domains like .ä¸å½ are likely to become operational world-wide next year |
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| 04:03.51 | maxagaz | \amethyst, you mean, only people in China will be able register and open tld like .ä¸å½ at the beginning, and only after a while it will be world-wide ? |
| 04:04.17 | \amethyst | maxagaz: no, I mean I have no idea whether .ä¸å½ works in china currently (I guess probably not) |
| 04:04.41 | \amethyst | maxagaz: but anyone will be able to access it next year |
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| 04:06.46 | maxagaz | \amethyst, it should work already, i have registered a few names, but not yet resolved it |
| 04:07.20 | maxagaz | \amethyst, I can tell when it will be working for mines |
| 04:07.28 | maxagaz | \amethyst, tell you |
| 04:08.02 | xuser | edited /etc/locale.gen to 'en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8' - ran locale.gen but 'locale' shows LANG= , any ideas? |
| 04:09.21 | maxagaz | \amethyst, this works already for me http://ä¾å.æµè¯/ |
| 04:09.41 | maxagaz | \amethyst, does it also work for you outside China ? |
| 04:10.06 | xuser | maxagaz: I'm seeing littel squares |
| 04:10.12 | \amethyst | maxagaz: aha, yes it does |
| 04:10.57 | phorce1 | fascinating FF translates http://好.com/ and it is some US goofs page with a few pictures of them in .cn (or somewhere) |
| 04:11.00 | \amethyst | maxagaz: what is the meaning of the part after the . |
| 04:11.06 | \amethyst | maxagaz: ? |
| 04:11.17 | phorce1 | writes no non romantic languages |
| 04:12.20 | maxagaz | \amethyst, literally, it's http://example.test/ |
| 04:12.20 | \amethyst | maxagaz: aha |
| 04:12.56 | phorce1 | I see some of the font plus some little squares with numbers inside them |
| 04:13.58 | tensorpudding | those are unicode hex codes probably |
| 04:14.01 | CompWizrd | yeah?!?! i see dead people! |
| 04:14.05 | \amethyst | maxagaz: so the ICANN has already created a test TLD, but not yet (as far as I can tell) a .china TLD |
| 04:14.16 | \amethyst | you people and your silly fonts |
| 04:14.24 | \amethyst | I can see the whole page just fine :) |
| 04:15.03 | phorce1 | directly after the '.' in the name are 2 squares with "6D 4B" and "8B 05" |
| 04:15.24 | phorce1 | \amethyst: ;-) |
| 04:15.28 | maxagaz | \amethyst, me ? i'm not chinese... ;) |
| 04:15.54 | maxagaz | \amethyst, are you sure the .ä¸å½ doesn't work yet ? |
| 04:15.55 | \amethyst | maxagaz: I was talking about the people who are seeing a bunch of little boxes with numbers |
| 04:16.43 | maxagaz | \amethyst, ah ok |
| 04:17.02 | \amethyst | maxagaz: I haven't seen any . |
| 04:17.29 | \amethyst | maxagaz: any .ä¸å½ domains that is... at the moment it appears only the .test domain exists |
| 04:18.12 | phorce1 | FF translated http://test.ä¸ into http://www.test.xn--fiq/ (then complained about no such server of course) |
| 04:18.50 | \amethyst | maxagaz: they just started allowing countries to register for them one week ago, so I would be very surprised if they had been created yet |
| 04:19.06 | jdahm | are all these robots sending me DCC requests normal? looking like someone trying to hack... |
| 04:19.13 | jdahm | do you guys get them too? |
| 04:19.26 | maxagaz | \amethyst, thanks a lot, everything is much clearer now, and you gave me the keys to make other even clearer! :) |
| 04:19.33 | amphi | jdahm: yeah |
| 04:19.44 | maxagaz | \amethyst, i'll keep you informed... |
| 04:19.52 | phorce1 | OK, /me is done playing with other people's toys. Time to finish cleaning the truck out then see if I can figure out what's munching my video cycles making 720p video horribly jumpy |
| 04:20.07 | jdahm | amphi: seems especially from this channel... |
| 04:20.18 | phorce1 | jdahm: some rooted winblows machines trying to procreate |
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| 04:20.28 | jdahm | ah ok |
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| 04:23.44 | \amethyst | maxagaz: aha |
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| 04:24.30 | \amethyst | maxagaz: cnnic.cn currently has "Official Client-end CDN software" that translates .ä¸å½ .å
¬å¸ and . |
| 04:24.40 | \amethyst | maxagaz: and .ç½ç» |
| 04:25.38 | \amethyst | maxagaz: according to what I can infer from http://www.cnnic.cn/html/Dir/2005/10/11/3218.htm |
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| 04:29.50 | \amethyst | maxagaz: when the ICANN enables the IDN TLDs, probably that software won't need to handle .ä¸å½ anymore, but it will probably still be needed for .å
¬å¸ and .ç½ç» to work. I doubt ICANN would approve those just yet, because the IDN TLDs are supposed to correspond to country-code TLDs |
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| 04:54.47 | MJEvans | I have a question about http://lintian.debian.org/tags/new-package-should-close-itp-bug.html ; If I'm trying to make a package that -might- make it to debian eventually, but isn't intended for anything more then ease of getting initial testers on various debian and derived distributions do I need to find this ITP and file a bug? |
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| 05:09.18 | cydork | MJEvans, if you are not planning to get it into debian at the moment, then you don't need to worry about that.. |
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| 05:12.13 | puff | I'm looking for some feedback on http://darksleep.com/notablog/articles/formatted/Migrating_To_New_Hardware |
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| 05:22.38 | puff | It's quiet... *too* quiet. |
| 05:25.29 | kevin7kal_ | puff: shhhhhhhhh |
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| 05:46.29 | MJEvans | cydork: thank you. I do have another question that's somewhat related. The package I'm trying to create should have a choice (OR ||) of a handful of licences it could be used under, but I am unsure how to document that in the copyright file (or whatever it is... I need to fix the power-settings for my laptop -again- since it for some reason feels the need to suspend when I've locked it and lowered the lid; even though it's plugged in.) |
| 05:48.03 | \amethyst | MJEvans: see iceweasel for an example |
| 05:48.16 | cydork | MJEvans, i have no idea.. |
| 05:48.28 | \amethyst | MJEvans: it's mostly triple-licensed, with some files under only one license |
| 05:49.02 | MJEvans | \amethyst: That will probably work, I'd be surprised if ubuntu's version of firefox does something different, and if not I can always grab the diff off debian's package search area. |
| 05:50.13 | MJEvans | If I run in to trouble a search can probably help me with any 'write a manual page' questions... so I think I've got all the information I need to finish now. |
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| 06:35.14 | kaushal | hi |
| 06:35.52 | kaushal | why the term "Universal Operating System" attached to Debian ? |
| 06:36.02 | kaushal | Just curious to know |
| 06:36.16 | simonrvn | 'cause it's like on 13 architectures |
| 06:36.46 | kaushal | simonrvn: ok |
| 06:37.12 | simonrvn | well, *one* of the reasons ;) |
| 06:37.52 | kaushal | I am looking out for a Single DVD ISO image of Lenny |
| 06:38.06 | kaushal | unable to open www.debian.org |
| 06:39.00 | kaushal | is there a issue with the server hosting www.debian.org ? |
| 06:41.44 | markybob | kaushal, nope. working fine here. probably routing problem with your isp |
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| 06:43.23 | kaushal | ok |
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| 06:43.24 | babilen | kaushal: Where are you? (location) We can give you a link to a mirror nearby that might work. |
| 06:43.36 | kaushal | babilen: INDIA |
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| 06:44.09 | ranix | kaushal: AAH |
| 06:44.14 | ranix | no shouting! |
| 06:44.24 | kaushal | ah sorry about it |
| 06:44.29 | kaushal | caps lock on |
| 06:44.38 | kaushal | ranix: sorry |
| 06:45.05 | orudie | how can I create a self-signed certificate for postfix/dovecot ? |
| 06:45.07 | babilen | kaushal: There is www.hk.debian.org , www.jp.debian.org, www.ru.debian.org and some others. |
| 06:45.21 | kaushal | babilen: ok |
| 06:45.41 | MJEvans | hong kong, japan, russia? |
| 06:46.02 | kaushal | babilen: do i need to download all the 5 dvd iso for lenny ? |
| 06:46.19 | babilen | hands MJEvans the "Recognise-TLD-Cake" of the year with nice asian icing! |
| 06:46.35 | babilen | kaushal: Do you have internet connection while installing? |
| 06:46.38 | orudie | whats wrong with this line ? : openssl x509 -req -days 365 -in server.csr -signkey server.key -out server.crt |
| 06:46.39 | MJEvans | kaushal: no, you only need the first to install; though if you lack an internet connection it may be incomplete. |
| 06:47.04 | kaushal | babilen: yes |
| 06:47.09 | babilen | !netinst |
| 06:47.09 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 06:48.43 | babilen | kaushal: No need to download the DVDs, which will contain outdated packages anyway |
| 06:49.19 | kaushal | babilen: ok |
| 06:49.57 | orudie | how can I create a self-signed certificate for postfix/dovecot ? |
| 06:49.58 | maxagaz | how to apply this patch to dhcp ? => dhcp-3.0.5-ldap-patch |
| 06:50.10 | babilen | !ssd |
| 06:50.10 | dpkg | well, ssd is (Solid State Disk) The D in SSD is really a misnomer. SSD storage is basically a huge block of RAM chips that functions like a hard drive. SSD drives (obviously) are extremely expensive, but offer very high data speeds that are necessary in some applications. They can also be used as large caches on huge RAID subsystems. See also <ssd limit>. |
| 06:50.17 | babilen | nope :-) |
| 06:50.38 | babilen | !package recompile |
| 06:50.38 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules> <apt-get source> |
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| 06:51.52 | babilen | maxagaz: ^^^ see if the package already uses a patch system and integrate it there. If not... well |
| 06:53.27 | kaushal | babilen: Thanks a Lot :D |
| 06:53.43 | \amethyst | hm, that SSD factoid seems kind of out-of-date |
| 06:54.30 | babilen | kaushal: Have fun! |
| 06:56.29 | babilen | maxagaz: Are you talking about dhcp3-server or client, or .... ? |
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| 06:57.41 | maxagaz | babilen, so i should just put the patch file in the /usr/src/dhcp-3.0.5 directory, and then: ./configure && make && make install ? |
| 06:57.46 | maxagaz | babilen, dhcp server |
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| 06:59.13 | babilen | maxagaz: No |
| 06:59.30 | babilen | maxagaz: Which debian release are you running? |
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| 07:02.51 | markybob | Stormix. oh, wait, Progeny. oh wait...fuck :P |
| 07:03.15 | maxagaz | babilen, oups this server isn't on debian but ubuntu 8.04, sorry |
| 07:03.15 | markybob | misses making fun of stormix |
| 07:04.06 | markybob | !ubuntu |
| 07:04.06 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 07:04.13 | babilen | maxagaz: you probably know that this is not the correct channel. ;-) Why are you running such an old release? |
| 07:04.49 | markybob | babilen, you give him too much credit. ubuntu users usually dont know much of anything |
| 07:05.00 | markybob | ...thus how they end up here |
| 07:05.05 | babilen | maxagaz: In short: Download the source package. Integrate the patch into debian/patches in the source package, rebuild, install |
| 07:05.18 | maxagaz | babilen, we have many servers, when it's ubuntu, it's always 8.04, because it's LTS, supposed to be safer |
| 07:05.41 | markybob | maxagaz, *still* not #debian. go to #ubuntu |
| 07:05.53 | babilen | maxagaz: Further support in #ubuntu ... install Debian if you want support here ;-) |
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| 07:06.14 | babilen | !tell maxagans -about package recompile |
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| 07:07.02 | markybob | why the hell would someone install old ubuntu because "it's safer"? ever heard of debian stable, aka the pinnacle of rock solid server? |
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| 07:07.38 | markybob | nevermind. i dont care to hear your dumbass response |
| 07:07.39 | babilen | which is actually never than the latest Ubuntu LTS release apparently.... There is something wrong here :-D |
| 07:08.02 | kc8pxy | babilen: mebbe i'm starting to get jaded again for my "help" last night, but it doesn't always seem like support is here. i was trying to get something working, and all i'd get is crumbs of the solution. |
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| 07:08.48 | babilen | We are all volunteers in here. Different people, different styles, different help ... |
| 07:09.06 | kc8pxy | babilen: granted, that's not the main reason i left debian between potato and lenny, but it's certainly not a reason to delve deeper this time around. |
| 07:09.13 | maxagaz | markybob, I agree with you and that's why I'm pushing to install Debian servers, I don't see the interest of using ubuntu server |
| 07:09.40 | babilen | kc8pxy: Ok, then don't and be happy |
| 07:11.15 | kc8pxy | babilen: wish it were that simple. |
| 07:11.34 | babilen | kc8pxy: What makes it complicated? |
| 07:11.57 | kc8pxy | babilen: working on someone else's machine, and my distro of general choice is not the best fit... |
| 07:13.25 | kc8pxy | babilen: my problem with last night , mebbe you can help me out further on it. its a bit counter-intuitive. |
| 07:13.27 | babilen | distro of general choice == Debian? Why is it not the best fit? Which distro is? And what is problematic in using the best distribution for the job? |
| 07:13.36 | babilen | !ask |
| 07:13.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 07:13.50 | themill | Being vague doesn't help us help you. |
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| 07:14.22 | markybob | maxagaz, this should help http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7297 |
| 07:14.28 | kc8pxy | i'm trying to throw my wifi card in master mode, which i know the hardware is capable of. I'm trying to setup the lenny box as a WAP. |
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| 07:15.12 | kc8pxy | but it won't accept it with any commands i throw at it, either iwconfig or iw. |
| 07:15.13 | teratoma | you think we're mean... try #centos ! |
| 07:15.30 | teratoma | those guys are real jerks |
| 07:15.31 | themill | kc8pxy: "won't accept" |
| 07:16.06 | babilen | kc8pxy: Paste the error/warning/whatever you are getting somewhere. |
| 07:16.33 | kc8pxy | themill: Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
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| 07:17.31 | kc8pxy | command was 'iwconfig wlan0 mode master |
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| 07:17.39 | kc8pxy | ' |
| 07:17.44 | kc8pxy | doh :) |
| 07:18.27 | kc8pxy | but that's what SHOULD throw the card into master/ap mode.. IIRC |
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| 07:19.13 | markybob | kc8pxy, depends on the card/module. it's not universally supported |
| 07:19.25 | maxagaz | markybob, that will be for my boss... |
| 07:19.41 | themill | and depends on the driver implementing particular features |
| 07:20.11 | liable | did you upgrade your kernel yet? |
| 07:21.10 | liable | kc8pxy: see the support page of linuxwireless.org, and go to the irc channel. they should be able to help you with that. |
| 07:23.37 | liable | did I break the channel? |
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| 07:24.03 | simonrvn | yes you did. bad liable, baad! |
| 07:24.34 | liable | good, its been a while since I broke something. |
| 07:25.19 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:25.43 | neoice | anyone know why /usr/src and /usr/local are 2755 ? |
| 07:25.56 | simonrvn | check the groups |
| 07:26.24 | neoice | I still dont quite get why src would need setuid. |
| 07:26.31 | neoice | could just be because its midnight |
| 07:27.08 | simonrvn | setgid |
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| 07:27.31 | neoice | thats what I meant |
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| 07:28.53 | simonrvn | right |
| 07:32.20 | kaushal | babilen: just curious to know do you use lenny as your desktop ? |
| 07:33.07 | simonrvn | i must say... the channel size got chopped down a lot. |
| 07:33.30 | babilen | kaushal: no |
| 07:34.38 | kaushal | babilen: i use Ubuntu 9.04 as Desktop but got motivated to use Debian Lenny |
| 07:34.57 | babilen | kaushal: Good idea! Try it :-) |
| 07:35.18 | maxagaz | markybob, but many comments criticize this article |
| 07:35.51 | kaushal | babilen: which desktop you use ? |
| 07:36.31 | maxagaz | ubuntu looks like a taboo word here |
| 07:37.21 | babilen | points at maxagaz and shouts: "Burn the heretic!" |
| 07:38.30 | babilen | kaushal: I am usually running Debian stable for 3 to 12 months after it has been released and upgrade to testing then. Alternatively I use backported packages (backports.org) which depends on my needs. |
| 07:41.44 | simonrvn | runs sid as desktop and stable as server OSes |
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| 07:43.20 | sauvin | I think I'd rather try debian sid next rather than find out what the ubuntu idiots are doing nowadays anyway. |
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| 07:46.36 | Agiofws | hi |
| 07:46.37 | vy | How can I display the forming physical drives of a volume group? |
| 07:47.25 | Agiofws | will i have problems if i compile my vanila kernel ... trying to use it with latetest fglrx driver for my ati card ? |
| 07:47.32 | Agiofws | on debian ? |
| 07:51.11 | radoe | vy: vgdisplay -v or pvs |
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| 08:13.13 | vy | radoe: Thanks! |
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| 08:51.26 | Agiofws | hello |
| 08:51.44 | Agiofws | why doesn't debian have a mkinitrd ? binary |
| 08:52.00 | liable | it used to |
| 08:52.11 | liable | mkinitrd-initramfs now innit? |
| 08:52.15 | liable | !mkinitrd |
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| 08:52.21 | liable | bleh |
| 08:52.25 | liable | !initrd |
| 08:52.25 | dpkg | methinks initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, or make-kpkg --initrd |
| 08:52.40 | liable | not helpfull.. |
| 08:53.17 | liable | mkinitramfs |
| 08:53.25 | liable | or yaird |
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| 08:55.44 | ewet | I have dumped my system with "dpkg --foce-all -r libc6" (don't ask) .. to save my system I have done the following so far: |
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| 08:55.58 | liable | oh dear |
| 08:56.01 | babilen | ewet: still struggling? |
| 08:56.15 | ewet | I have downloaded the bibc6 package, extracted it and copied ./lib to /lib and ./usr to /usr |
| 08:56.22 | ewet | babilen: yay |
| 08:56.36 | ewet | then I downloaded busybox static and copied it to / |
| 08:57.00 | babilen | ewet: Ok, that was the proposal.... But pray continue :-) |
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| 08:58.11 | ewet | now when I do chroot /mnt/luks3 /busybox dpkg -i libc6_2.7-18_amd64.deb |
| 08:58.23 | ewet | I get: dpkg: package util-linux pre-depends on libc6, which is not installed or flagged to be installed |
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| 08:59.47 | ewet | while a simple chroot will still tell me chroot: cannot run command `/bin/sh': No such file or directory |
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| 09:00.18 | ewet | ldd /mnt/luks3/bin/bash (that's where sh links to) tells me nothing bad |
| 09:00.33 | ewet | all libs are there |
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| 09:01.26 | babilen | ewet: Can you 'chroot /mnt/luk3 /bin/bash' ? |
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| 09:01.40 | babilen | s/luk3/luks3 |
| 09:01.53 | ewet | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
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| 09:02.30 | babilen | *sigh* |
| 09:04.01 | ewet | babilen: the files is there of course |
| 09:04.54 | babilen | ewet: I don't know if that might make a difference, but have you mounted proc and dev into the chroot? (mount -t proc none /mnt/luks3/proc , mount -o bind /dev /mnt/luks3/dev ) |
| 09:06.11 | babilen | ewet: You could also try *forcing* the installation of libc6 with the dpkg command you gave above... But all this screams "Here be dragons" and I never went sailing in these muddy waters, so no experience with -r libc6 |
| 09:06.32 | radoe | ewet: if you run ldd /mnt/luks3/bin/bash and see all libs needed, that is no indication that these libs are found in your chroot, as this checks against the libs of your real system outside the chroot. |
| 09:07.02 | babilen | radoe: true! |
| 09:07.07 | ewet | radoe: I checked the /mnt/luks3 root for that |
| 09:07.51 | radoe | ewet: maybe you are missing a call to ldconfig.real (not ldconfig, as this is a shell script) inside your chroot? |
| 09:08.19 | ewet | at least the files are at the dirs where they should be.. |
| 09:08.37 | ewet | radoe: what is this? |
| 09:09.46 | radoe | ah, no, it's simply ldconfig on debian, not ldconfig.real. |
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| 09:10.06 | babilen | radoe: It updates the dynamic linker cache. But you'll have to chroot .... |
| 09:10.07 | radoe | ewet: this updates the linker cache. |
| 09:10.16 | ewet | babilen: mounting proc and dev did not change things |
| 09:10.17 | radoe | babilen: yes, as I said. |
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| 09:11.15 | ewet | radoe: sadly ldconfig isn't a busybox applet |
| 09:11.58 | radoe | ewet: it is in /sbin of your chroot and is statically linked. |
| 09:12.38 | ewet | holy crap pastebin to follow.. |
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| 09:14.53 | ewet | http://pastebin.com/m4d015250 |
| 09:15.43 | radoe | ewet: what exactly did you do? |
| 09:15.59 | ewet | chroot /mnt/luks3 /busybox sh /sbin/ldconfig |
| 09:16.06 | radoe | ewet: did you treat ldconfig as a shell script? |
| 09:16.19 | radoe | ewet: yes, you did ;) |
| 09:17.18 | ewet | radoe: oh god yes .. sorry |
| 09:17.29 | ewet | okay now there was no output |
| 09:17.47 | ewet | chroot /mnt/luks3 /sbin/ldconfig |
| 09:17.48 | babilen | ewet: that is expected. Can you try chrooting again? |
| 09:18.33 | ewet | chroot /mnt/luks3 still gives chroot: cannot run command `/bin/sh': No such file or directory |
| 09:18.34 | ewet | /bin/bash the same |
| 09:19.58 | babilen | ewet: You are 100% sure that you have all the required libraries? |
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| 09:20.25 | babilen | ewet: I would suggest installing a statically linked dash in the chroot and use that. |
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| 09:21.16 | babilen | ewet: btw - you were able to run dpkg, right? Have you tried forcing the installation of libc6 ? |
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| 09:23.23 | babilen | ewet: '--force-depends' |
| 09:25.33 | ewet | babilen: I was able to run the dpkg applet of busybox and I forced dependencies (syntax is a bit different there: -F depends) |
| 09:25.36 | ewet | to no avail |
| 09:26.40 | ewet | and now I am 100% sure that I have all content of libc6 in all appropriate dirs |
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| 09:27.32 | babilen | ewet: The dpkg command returned without error? |
| 09:27.33 | ewet | cannot start ldd in chroot but I can search for the libs manually and they're all there |
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| 09:28.06 | ewet | babilen: no: dpkg: subprocess pre-installation script returned error -- but I thought that might be that very error |
| 09:28.20 | ewet | because it's pre-installation |
| 09:29.11 | babilen | ewet: '--force-all' ? |
| 09:29.55 | babilen | ewet: Or pick your own '--force-[a-z]+' from man dpkg |
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| 09:30.23 | radoe | ewet: really all? can you paste ls -l /mtn/luks3/lib into |
| 09:30.43 | ewet | babilen: I think -F depends is all the busybox applet can do (it's different to the "normal" dpkg) |
| 09:31.53 | babilen | ewet: And you can't execute /usr/bin/dpkg in the chroot, right? |
| 09:32.10 | radoe | ewet: you may even try to install from outside your chroot inside your chroot, dpkg --root=/mnt/luks3 ... |
| 09:33.13 | ewet | babilen: I can't start anything dynamic in chroot (specifically tried dpkg of course) |
| 09:33.27 | ewet | radoe: try that -- ls -l also on the way |
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| 09:35.04 | ewet | wasn't there a pastebin script where you could pipe into? |
| 09:39.14 | liable | patebinit |
| 09:39.18 | liable | +s |
| 09:39.42 | ewet | found it - it's sprunge for me (if anyone interested) |
| 09:39.47 | ewet | oh :) |
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| 09:44.01 | ewet | okay ls -l /mnt/luks3/lib/ is http://sprunge.us/TXTB |
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| 09:46.13 | ewet | and dpkg --root=/mnt/luks3 -i /home/enno/Downloads/libc6_2.7-18_amd64.deb tell me http://pastebin.com/m407b7e43 |
| 09:47.05 | ewet | arrgh ... sorry |
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| 09:47.50 | ewet | no - dpkg --root=/mnt/luks3 -i /mnt/luks3/home/enno/Downloads/libc6_2.7-18_amd64.deb is the same |
| 09:48.12 | Kovensky | any ideas on what could cause the kernel to detect a SATA device and udev not make the nodes? |
| 09:48.48 | babilen | Kovensky: probably Cthulhu |
| 09:48.52 | Kovensky | =p |
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| 09:49.14 | babilen | ewet: reinstall is not an option? |
| 09:49.21 | Kovensky | well, here's my problem: the kernel detects sda (my internal hdd), but udev doesn't make sda nor sda[1-5] |
| 09:49.28 | Kovensky | this happens @ boot time, so the system is unbootable |
| 09:49.42 | ewet | babilen: the partition is 1gb and encrypted -- I'd _really_ hate to do that.. |
| 09:49.47 | Kovensky | if on busybox I go and mknod those devices, then run lvm pvscan, it can properly find my lvm |
| 09:49.57 | Kovensky | but it still is unbootable |
| 09:49.58 | Kovensky | :/ |
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| 09:50.19 | ewet | 1gb raid 5 (takes 3 days to erase) |
| 09:50.29 | babilen | ewet: Propbably less work then trying to unfuck your system though |
| 09:50.52 | babilen | ewet: What made you remove libc6 in the first place anyway? |
| 09:51.05 | ewet | aside from backing up all data (where into I'm not sure) |
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| 09:52.02 | babilen | ewet: FS creation takes 3 days? So you have valuable data (/home, etc... ) on *one* partition. No seperate partitions for /usr, ...? |
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| 09:53.24 | ewet | babilen: autoagressive personality disorder? I don't know -- I wanted to install nividia-glx 32bit libs to play a game with wine .. but I might have taken some upgrade from testing that drew a libc6 update with it. so I needed to downgrade |
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| 09:53.50 | omgwtfbbqhax | :O |
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| 09:54.45 | ewet | du |
| 09:54.48 | ewet | sorry |
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| 09:55.14 | babilen | ewet: so no seperate partitions? |
| 09:55.30 | jelly | ewet: mixing stable and (testing or unstable) always leads to pain |
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| 09:55.47 | babilen | forcefully removing libc6 even more so... |
| 09:56.04 | ewet | jelly: downgrades definitly do .. this was all stupid :( |
| 09:56.18 | jelly | babilen: I don't think he'd done that. |
| 09:56.35 | ewet | babilen: no seperate partitions |
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| 09:56.51 | jelly | babilen: one has to type in an obnoxiously long sentence to remove an essential package |
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| 09:57.54 | flip125 | I've stumbled upon #517469 (libkrb5.so.3 cannot open shared file) ... but before finding and reading the bug report I've already reinstalled some packages. |
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| 09:58.25 | flip125 | Now I'm hanging on this: |
| 09:58.27 | flip125 | svn: relocation error: /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.3: symbol krb5int_utf8_lentab, version krb5support_0_MIT not defined in file libkrb5support.so.0 with link time reference |
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| 09:58.50 | babilen | jelly: I have seen that pasted before ... Does dpkg -r --force-all behaves like that as well? |
| 09:58.57 | ewet | jelly: it's dpkg --force-all -r libc6 (for the protocoll) |
| 09:59.37 | jelly | one does NOT use dpkg --force-all lightly |
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| 10:00.19 | flip125 | Sorry, I did ... now I'm suffering from the consequences. |
| 10:00.26 | flip125 | What do I have to reinstall? |
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| 10:01.42 | ewet | what I don't understand: what's going on if there are all libs and all? |
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| 10:04.38 | radoe | ewet: the system in your chroot is amd64, right? |
| 10:04.43 | ewet | yes |
| 10:04.50 | jelly | flip125: that bug is rather old. Pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 subversion 'libsvn*' 'libkrb*' |
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| 10:05.23 | ewet | the livecd I'm using right now is a x86_64 gentoo |
| 10:05.42 | radoe | ewet: try making /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 executable. |
| 10:05.48 | jelly | ewet: download the libc6 package and unpack it in the systen. |
| 10:06.19 | radoe | ewet: sorry, tghis should be /lib/ld-2.10.1.so |
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| 10:06.31 | ewet | jelly: that already happned -- copied .lib and .usr to /lin and /usr -- did not copy ./etc though |
| 10:06.38 | jelly | ewet: .deb is just an ar archive. There'll be a data.tar.gz or .bz2 in there, unpack that in the Debian root. |
| 10:07.02 | jelly | "copied"? Just unpack the whole thing |
| 10:07.22 | ewet | jelly I extracted it with dpkg -x and copied the files.. (cp -a) |
| 10:08.17 | jelly | ewet: how did you get dpkg in gentoo? :-) Well, in you have dpkg, you can install the thing almost properly using --root |
| 10:09.54 | flip125 | jelly: http://paste.lisp.org/display/91131 |
| 10:11.12 | ewet | jelly: /usr/bin/dpkg in on the cd and --root=/mnt/luks ... gives me this error: http://pastebin.com/m407b7e43 |
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| 10:12.53 | ewet | radoe: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 123488 Nov 12 13:42 /mnt/luks3/lib/ld-2.10.1.so |
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| 10:16.27 | jelly | flip125: hm, looks reasonable. Can you purge the old libkrb53 package? |
| 10:17.01 | jelly | ewet: eh, whatever, just --extract it there, then |
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| 10:18.17 | ewet | laughs a hellish laughter (with tears) |
| 10:18.23 | flip125 | jelly: results in |
| 10:18.23 | flip125 | svn |
| 10:18.24 | flip125 | svn: error while loading shared libraries: libk5crypto.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:18.31 | ewet | I forgot to copy the link /lib64 |
| 10:19.40 | simonrvn | !jelly++ |
| 10:19.47 | jelly | flip125: good, now reinstall libkrb5-3 and libk5crypto3 |
| 10:20.09 | jelly | (possibly just the latter, but...) |
| 10:20.33 | flip125 | done |
| 10:20.34 | ewet | isn't there a fallback technology that shots down your systems completely if your brain fails? (so no further damage is to be inflicted to the environment) |
| 10:20.34 | flip125 | svn: error while loading shared libraries: libkrb5support.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:20.41 | ewet | that could have helped here... |
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| 10:21.12 | jelly | ewet: if an idiot has console access, the game is over |
| 10:21.27 | babilen | takes a note to always start in the beginning ;-) |
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| 10:21.46 | simonrvn | in the beginning, there was ... |
| 10:21.53 | jelly | flip125: yeah, rinse and repeat for all the missing libraries |
| 10:21.56 | babilen | ... the command line |
| 10:22.06 | simonrvn | (fill that out according to your cosmology) |
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| 10:22.18 | jelly | flip125: libkrb5support0 |
| 10:22.56 | marcin | Hi. I've download packages from dotdeb. For an example php5-memcache, how can I check from which sources it was build? |
| 10:23.00 | simonrvn | flip125: hint, soname and package name should match |
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| 10:23.12 | marcin | Beacuse there isn't source package of php5-memcache. :/ |
| 10:23.20 | ewet | okay thanks for everyone who helped here - for the patience and all -- I didn't deserve it (I will now sink into the ground as appropriate...) |
| 10:23.27 | jelly | marcin: this channel can't really support third party repos... ask the authors? |
| 10:23.39 | flip125 | jelly: is just running for all that |
| 10:23.51 | flip125 | Looks good! |
| 10:23.54 | flip125 | jelly++ |
| 10:23.57 | flip125 | Thanks very much |
| 10:24.01 | jelly | cheers |
| 10:24.39 | jmarsden | marcin: See http://packages.debian.org/lenny/php5-memcache and look for the "Downlaod source package" link on that page |
| 10:25.02 | jelly | marcin: if the package exists in Debian, you can use packages.debian.org to look it up |
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| 10:26.44 | radoe | ewet: I'm a little clueless now. The message seems to indicate that the dynamic linker/elf interpreter could not be loaded. But, as it is there and is executable I can't see what prevents dynamically linked binaries from loading. |
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| 10:28.26 | radoe | oh, ewet was gone already. |
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| 10:28.35 | Innocentus | hi all |
| 10:28.39 | Innocentus | anyone online right now? :) |
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| 10:28.49 | azeem | !anyone |
| 10:28.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 10:31.14 | babilen | Innocentus: You ask this question all the time and you are always presented with the same factoid. Why? Do you have a Debian related question? Do you plan to help people in here? |
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| 10:31.56 | simonrvn | Innocentus: nope. no one here. |
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| 10:41.23 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
| 10:42.11 | dboehmer | i just copied my working debian install from my working hdd to the new one |
| 10:42.20 | dboehmer | it does not boot now |
| 10:42.31 | dboehmer | when booting i tries to mount dev to /root/dev |
| 10:42.37 | dboehmer | same with proc |
| 10:42.49 | dboehmer | can you give any hints? |
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| 10:43.02 | dboehmer | proc is listed in fstab correctly |
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| 10:44.41 | mactimes | dbatbold: I'm not sure what the problem is, but I can try to help |
| 10:44.53 | mactimes | dboehmer: : I'm not sure what the problem is, but I can try to help |
| 10:45.02 | mactimes | dbatbold: Sorry, wrong user. |
| 10:45.14 | dboehmer | mactimes, thx |
| 10:45.18 | mactimes | dboehmer: Using grub? |
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| 10:45.28 | dboehmer | i use luks and lvm |
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| 10:46.07 | mactimes | dboehmer: Check for the root entry on the boot configuratioin. |
| 10:46.17 | mactimes | s/configuratioin/configuration/ |
| 10:46.36 | Innocentus | hey hoy |
| 10:46.38 | Innocentus | yea yee |
| 10:46.43 | Innocentus | jumps up and down |
| 10:46.45 | Innocentus | dances |
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| 10:46.50 | Innocentus | loves debian |
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| 10:47.16 | dboehmer | mactimes, i have switched from grub2 to grub-legacy but i have no grub config yet |
| 10:48.32 | mactimes | dboehmer: Hum. Try configuring grub, set up the correct root for the system and see what comes out of that. |
| 10:48.58 | dboehmer | do you mean grub command root (hd0,0) or kernel param root=? |
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| 10:49.32 | mactimes | dboehmer: You can have the kernel parameter root= set up in the grub configuration. |
| 10:49.48 | mactimes | dboehmer: I mean the kernel parameter, anyways. Have you checked that? |
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| 10:51.26 | dboehmer | mactimes, when using luks and lvm which device do i need to set as root=? |
| 10:51.40 | dboehmer | lvm is inside luks |
| 10:51.47 | mactimes | dboehmer: I don't know about that. |
| 10:51.50 | dboehmer | ok |
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| 10:54.19 | babilen | dboehmer: you would use something like root=/dev/mapper/foo |
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| 10:54.39 | dboehmer | babilen, i guess i have just done it |
| 10:54.43 | mactimes | dboehmer: I found this http://www.maxsworld.org/index.php/how-tos/move-root-partition-to-lvm |
| 10:55.07 | dboehmer | i still need to play with the lvm vg names because i could not create a new lvm vg while old one was still existing |
| 10:55.14 | dboehmer | thus it has the wrong name |
| 10:55.16 | mactimes | dboehmer: If you know how to set it up, you may be able to fix that |
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| 10:55.59 | dboehmer | mactimes, thanks for any inspiration. i will try out and give results. may take some minutes |
| 10:55.59 | mactimes | dboehmer: It's not debian specific, but can be of some use. |
| 10:56.07 | dboehmer | indeed |
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| 10:56.54 | mactimes | dboehmer: I'd take some backups before proceeding with the attempts. |
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| 10:57.58 | dboehmer | mactimes, i have backups... don't worry |
| 10:58.18 | mactimes | dboehmer: Roger that. |
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| 11:00.06 | dalela | Hi |
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| 11:04.57 | dalela | sorry, I got disconnected |
| 11:05.09 | dalela | I recently installed dovecot-imapd and did a minimal configuration (I set the protocols to "imap" and "imaps" and set the mailbox locations). Then I added a user "testmail" and tried to send a mail via googlemail to testmail@mydomain.com |
| 11:05.18 | dalela | But when I check the /var/log/mail.log there is no connection from the googlemail server trying to deliver the mail to me |
| 11:05.24 | dalela | What am I doing wrong? |
| 11:05.31 | Guipuglia | Anybody here is a kernel developer? |
| 11:05.40 | petemc | dalela: do you have a MX or A record for your domain? |
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| 11:06.58 | dalela | a nslookup tells me: |
| 11:07.02 | dalela | mydomain.netmail exchanger = 100 mail.mydomain.net. |
| 11:07.08 | dalela | where mydomain.net is my real domain :) |
| 11:07.19 | petemc | why are you hiding it? |
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| 11:07.43 | dalela | because it is from my work, I dont know if they want their address to appear on irc-logs in the wild :) |
| 11:07.58 | terminatorul | Hello |
| 11:08.15 | terminatorul | Can anyone tell me how to install a binary .tar.gz package in my home dir ? |
| 11:08.24 | terminatorul | Just for me, without super-user privileges ? |
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| 11:09.07 | petemc | terminatorul: untar it, look for a readme |
| 11:09.16 | dalela | petemc: so any hint for me what I can do ? :/ |
| 11:10.11 | petemc | ensure mail.yoursupersecretdomain.com points to the box running your mta and dovecot |
| 11:10.13 | terminatorul | Ok ... |
| 11:10.39 | Mallxs | Hi i hafe a file with a gpg private key whats the command to add this one to the keychange ? |
| 11:10.40 | dalela | yes it does |
| 11:10.47 | RichiH | i need a lava lamp or similar log / system load visualizer... suggestions? |
| 11:10.47 | dalela | and sendmail and dovecot is running |
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| 11:11.18 | petemc | dalela: then it should work |
| 11:11.46 | dalela | but there is no entry in the mail.log about any connection tries from googlemail.. |
| 11:12.22 | jaggz | I have one computer (A)'s speaker-out set to my computer's (B) line-in and I hear computer noises (clicks and pops which change as we do activities on computer A). |
| 11:12.42 | petemc | dalela: with the scant information you've given, its hard to make any more suggestions, does telnet mail.mydomain.net 25 from another box work>? |
| 11:13.27 | dalela | connection refused |
| 11:13.41 | petemc | that would be a problem |
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| 11:13.57 | dalela | yes, mh |
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| 11:17.29 | dalela | petemc: this is my config file: http://pastebin.com/m3274f9d0 |
| 11:17.54 | petemc | dalela: thats dovecot, not your mta |
| 11:18.08 | dalela | but dovecot receives the mails, or? |
| 11:18.17 | petemc | no |
| 11:18.22 | petemc | time to do some more reading, it seems |
| 11:18.32 | liable | !connection refused |
| 11:18.32 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running on the specified IP address at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
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| 11:18.45 | liable | check netstat and make sure your mta is listening |
| 11:18.52 | liable | then check your firewall |
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| 11:19.54 | dboehmer | mactimes, i could eventually boot the system |
| 11:19.58 | dboehmer | thanks for all the hints |
| 11:20.04 | dalela | I flushed the iptables, so no firewall |
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| 11:20.07 | dalela | netstat tells me |
| 11:20.09 | dalela | tcp 0 0 *:pop3 *:* LISTEN |
| 11:20.09 | dalela | tcp 0 0 *:imap2 *:* LISTEN |
| 11:20.21 | liable | thats dovecot, not your mta |
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| 11:22.28 | naoshige | Hello. Why won't "wget -r -A pdf,zip http://www.net-a-porter.com" work? It works with most other sites. I tried appending -erobots=off, to no good though. |
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| 11:26.52 | babilen | dalela: You need to install a MTA (mail transfer agent) like exim, postfix or ... to handle the mail. Dovecot merely serves users their mail (received by the MTA) via imap/pop3 |
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| 11:27.46 | babilen | !tell dalela -about mta |
| 11:29.33 | dalela | ok |
| 11:29.46 | dalela | i tried to install exim4 now, but i cant |
| 11:29.48 | dalela | http://pastebin.com/m4a19f9ab |
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| 11:32.11 | joltcan | dalela: looking at line 18/19 I guess you have somewhat configured "av_scanner" in your existing exim config files |
| 11:33.10 | babilen | dalela: You are using etch? Purge exim first (remove configuration) and install it again afterwards |
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| 11:34.03 | dalela | it works now :) |
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| 11:34.32 | dalela | Do I have to configure exim4 for "internet site; mail is sent and received directly using SMTP" ? |
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| 11:34.57 | babilen | dalela: You might want to consider upgrading to lenny. Or at least start planning the move. |
| 11:35.02 | liable | you probably want to read a mail tutorial |
| 11:35.14 | liable | email isn't as simple as most assume |
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| 11:35.33 | babilen | dalela: /j #exim and ask for a tutorial. |
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| 11:35.47 | liable | lol, i would google |
| 11:36.01 | petemc | #exim would say ask #debian |
| 11:36.05 | emaia | hello. I have problems with SNAT. Sometimes it fails!! I have iptables 1.3.6 and debian etch |
| 11:37.17 | babilen | liable: I like the tutorials suggested in channel topics or by asking within the channel. It is an easy question for the regulars and they know what is good. |
| 11:37.32 | petemc | not in the case of exim |
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| 11:38.08 | babilen | petemc: That might be |
| 11:38.09 | liable | babilen: ever been to #exim? |
| 11:38.36 | babilen | nope... should i avoid it? Bunch of BOFHs? |
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| 11:38.50 | liable | thats what i recall |
| 11:38.55 | babilen | I'll try... |
| 11:38.58 | petemc | hmm, thanks |
| 11:39.05 | liable | hah |
| 11:39.10 | petemc | ive been an operator in that channel for years |
| 11:39.45 | petemc | the problem is how exim config is done on debian is (seen to be) vastly different than the norm |
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| 11:41.17 | dalela | When starting exim4 I still get the av_scanner error |
| 11:41.24 | dalela | 2009-11-26 11:30:58 Exim configuration error in line 95 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: |
| 11:41.24 | dalela | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.32 | dalela | The strange is that this "config file" does not exist |
| 11:41.45 | dalela | the file config.autogenerated does not have "av_scanner" in this file |
| 11:41.50 | dalela | (i grep'd) |
| 11:42.17 | petemc | the tmp file is used to pull together all the file under /etc/exim4/ and then moved to onfig.autogenerated |
| 11:42.30 | dalela | ah ok |
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| 11:44.19 | zwerg | Hi there. |
| 11:44.24 | dalela | petemc: in which of these files can the av_scanner be in? |
| 11:45.24 | Teaboy`work | stupid question: where does the incoming mail get logged? I can see the user logging into dovecot pop3 in mail.log, but I can't check if mail is being received... |
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| 11:46.54 | petemc | dalela: in main |
| 11:47.06 | petemc | Teaboy`work: depends on the mta , if exim exim4 -bP log_file_path |
| 11:47.17 | dalela | petemc: but in 02_exim4-config_options the av_scanner line is commented |
| 11:47.31 | Teaboy`work | petemc: thanks, I'll check :) |
| 11:47.45 | petemc | dalela: i dont use debians method of configuring exim, im not overly familiar with it |
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| 11:48.07 | dalela | I reconfigure now to save all in one file |
| 11:48.15 | zwerg | Does anybody know where to find Unstable packages for chromium-browser? |
| 11:48.49 | babilen | petemc: That was actually quite a good experience. :-) |
| 11:48.53 | Teaboy`work | petemc: brilliant, just what I needed, thanks :D |
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| 11:49.41 | petemc | babilen: the exim spec is great as they said, but it also manages to be excruciatingly long and terse at the same time |
| 11:49.44 | petemc | which is impressive |
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| 11:52.08 | babilen | petemc: I think if you combine the specs with the books you'll learn everyhting there is to know. It might be problematic though if Debian handles the configuration different. |
| 11:52.12 | babilen | +ly |
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| 11:53.41 | superlinux | hi all |
| 11:53.46 | superlinux | on linux, we know we generally don't deal with viruses. However, can someone tell me what kind of security does linux require if i am not running any kind of services that don't face the Internet? |
| 11:54.51 | babilen | superlinux: Read the "Securing Debian" manual... ;-) |
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| 11:55.12 | superlinux | babilen, i meant generally |
| 11:55.24 | superlinux | not debian specially |
| 11:55.41 | superlinux | must i read that document? |
| 11:55.50 | babilen | superlinux: Have you had a look at the manual? |
| 11:56.08 | amphi | superlinux: you must |
| 11:56.10 | amphi | ;) |
| 11:56.18 | dalela | fuck that exim4.. |
| 11:56.21 | superlinux | no. but i am just asking theoretically |
| 11:56.32 | dalela | I reconfigured to use one single file and the av_scanner line is commented |
| 11:56.36 | dalela | but the error still exists |
| 11:56.38 | dalela | just annoying |
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| 11:57.21 | babilen | superlinux: A lot of advice given in that manual also applies to other distributions and even *nixes |
| 11:57.30 | superlinux | true. |
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| 11:58.01 | babilen | superlinux: But you are in #debian, what did you expect? |
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| 11:59.31 | superlinux | babilen, i use debian any way |
| 11:59.44 | superlinux | however, I just asked |
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| 12:01.18 | fawzy | why debian installation is huge 5 DVD? |
| 12:01.39 | themill | dpkg: tell fawzy about netinst |
| 12:01.40 | __jonas__ | bcasue bandwidth is cheap ;) |
| 12:01.42 | fawzy | If I'm new; is it enough the first Dvd for installation???? |
| 12:02.06 | __jonas__ | fawzy: Do a netinstall |
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| 12:02.15 | dalela | petemc: exim4 runs now |
| 12:02.17 | __jonas__ | Yes first dvd is enough |
| 12:02.18 | __jonas__ | or even first CD ;) |
| 12:02.28 | dalela | Port 25 is opened and I can connect via telnet |
| 12:02.29 | __jonas__ | rest you can get from the net. |
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| 12:02.38 | fawzy | __jonas__: somethimes you need offline installation |
| 12:02.52 | __jonas__ | then you need all 5 DVDs ;) |
| 12:03.09 | __jonas__ | Just download. |
| 12:03.13 | fawzy | for saving band width as bandwidth may be limited |
| 12:03.32 | __jonas__ | then you have other problems |
| 12:04.00 | themill | fawzy: downloading all 5 DVDs will not save you bandwidth -- it will be downloading things that you will *never* install. |
| 12:04.10 | fawzy | yes |
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| 12:04.59 | fawzy | themill: yes; this why I'm asking; is the first Dvd is enough as start to install basic Linux gnome;kde or xfce? |
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| 12:06.04 | fawzy | __jonas__:I'm asking; is the first Dvd is enough as start to install basic Linux gnome;kde or xfce? |
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| 12:09.15 | maxagaz | What could such an error come from => make[2]: *** No rule to make target `-lssl', needed by `dhcpd'. Stop. ? |
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| 12:11.18 | babilen | maxagaz: are you compiling the source package with the patch you mentioned? Why not upgrade to a newer Debian release? |
| 12:12.46 | maxagaz | babilen, yes, I'm compiling with the patch |
| 12:13.07 | babilen | maxagaz: Are you compiling the source package? Did you incorporate the patch into quilt? |
| 12:13.34 | babilen | maxagaz: And again: Why not upgrade to a newer Debian release? Or install dhcp3-server from there? |
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| 12:14.04 | babilen | maxagaz: there == debian repositories |
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| 12:15.47 | Innocentus | hi all |
| 12:15.53 | Innocentus | anyone here with a little bit postfix experience? |
| 12:16.33 | pngwn | !ask |
| 12:16.33 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 12:17.01 | Innocentus | I have postfix and dovecot (pop) locally installed |
| 12:17.32 | fawzy | 'm asking; is the first Dvd is enough as start to install basic Linux gnome;kde or xfce? |
| 12:17.49 | Innocentus | fawzy: apt-get install kdebase should be sufficient? :) |
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| 12:18.18 | Innocentus | I want to configure postfix that he is relaying any mail directly to the local dovecot-pop server |
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| 12:18.31 | fawzy | Innocentus: so if I downoaded the first DVD will be enough to have a desktop Linux like in ubuntu? |
| 12:19.03 | mactimes | fawzy: The first CD should be be enough to have default gnome setup. |
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| 12:20.07 | Innocentus | fawzy: you want to use debian or do you want to use ubuntu? |
| 12:21.12 | xamanu | Hello. I'm installing debian on my new netbook (eee 1005ha). There is a nice writeup in the that I'm following (http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1005HA). But in addition I want to have an encrypted LVM volume to install debian on. I'm just using the installer routine. But when restarting the system after installation it can not find my LVM volume, and AFTER that it askes for a password for a encrypted disc. The password is not getting |
| 12:21.12 | xamanu | accepted. |
| 12:21.34 | xamanu | Has anybody any idea and would be so kind to help me with this setup, please? |
| 12:21.49 | mactimes | fawzy: Btw, although Ubuntu is based on Debian, Ubuntu is NOT Debian, so do not expect anything to be alike between both systems although they MIGHT be here or there. |
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| 12:25.11 | fawzy | Innocentus: of course debian but iwas surprised tha I have to download 5 DVD while all other linux distributions has one DVD!!!! |
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| 12:25.38 | fawzy | mactimes: i was surprised tha I have to download 5 DVD while all other linux distributions has one DVD!!!! |
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| 12:26.36 | mactimes | fawzy: Get the 1st CD ONLY and play with that. You might be ever more surprised. |
| 12:26.53 | Asmodeus_ | !die |
| 12:26.53 | dpkg | I'll murder you asmodeus_! Decapitate you and play snooker with your eyes! |
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| 12:27.51 | fawzy | mactimes:is the first Dvd is enough as start to install basic Linux gnome;kde or xfce? |
| 12:27.53 | babilen | fawzy: You basically need the netinstall CD if you have internet access during installation. If not the first CD/DVD will suffice |
| 12:27.59 | babilen | fawzy: yes |
| 12:28.13 | fawzy | babilen: thanks |
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| 12:28.41 | babilen | fawzy: Using netinstall is highly encouraged though. |
| 12:29.21 | fawzy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:36.45 | babilen | fawzy: You can either download a lot of packages now, that you won't need (download the DVD) or just download exactly the required packages. (netinstall) |
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| 12:38.03 | jans__ | i´m trying to set multiple range ipŠin a unique interface |
| 12:38.08 | jans__ | with alias |
| 12:38.16 | jans__ | is possible set a different gateway per range? |
| 12:38.44 | jans__ | fro example: eth0 with 192.168.1.2 and eth0:1 192.168.3.2 with 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.3.1 |
| 12:38.47 | jans__ | as gateway |
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| 12:52.26 | JyZyXEL | why does my display turn off every 10 minutes of inactivity |
| 12:52.34 | JyZyXEL | or maybe its even 5 minutes |
| 12:53.12 | zinx | JyZyXEL: becuase that's what it's set to turn off after? |
| 12:53.13 | _adb | check BIOS settings |
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| 12:53.47 | JyZyXEL | bios doesn't offer that capability |
| 12:53.57 | JyZyXEL | zinx: and where is it set exactly? |
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| 12:54.25 | zinx | depends on your Desktop Environment / screensaver / BIOS :/ |
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| 12:54.33 | darkstego | how do I get the debian installer to search for the iso from the USB drive? |
| 12:55.02 | gilesw | heya does anyone use the http://hwraid.le-vert.net repo? |
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| 12:55.21 | gilesw | I'm having signing problems, looks like the packages are unsigned |
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| 12:57.57 | boxxoq | i'm using hp6520s, how to check the HorizSync and VertRefresh of the monitor? thx |
| 12:57.57 | deebo | smb:// not working in squeeze + nautilus in gnome |
| 12:58.05 | deebo | tried to google around but to no avail, any ideas? |
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| 12:58.27 | rydgel | hi |
| 12:59.01 | rydgel | can we use many hostname in /etc/mailname ? |
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| 13:04.31 | kemerten | hi i have a error with fonts in lenny. After opening System->Preferences->Appearance the fonts are very large in some Apps. Did no effect to set them to smaller font size. Did anyone encounter this also? |
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| 13:08.11 | liable | kemerten: try setting the dpi |
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| 13:09.13 | kemerten | liable: with xrandr? |
| 13:09.27 | liable | kemerten: what desktop you using? |
| 13:09.30 | darkstego | is there a way to specify kde instead of gnome as the graphical desktop environment in debian installer? |
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| 13:09.53 | liable | darkstego: its a boot option, or get the DE specific CD |
| 13:09.59 | kemerten | liable: it's gnome |
| 13:10.21 | liable | kemerten: ok, dunno about gnome, but kde has a dpi setting in its preferences for fonts |
| 13:10.27 | darkstego | I am using the USB installer, so I guess I need the boot option |
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| 13:10.59 | liable | darkstego: you could just install the base system and install what you want after install too |
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| 13:12.32 | Blapecool | Hi |
| 13:12.38 | kemerten | liable: ok i'll try to find the settings thanks |
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| 13:19.52 | Agiofws | i have compiled a new vanilla kernel 2.6.31 ... but for some reason fglrx 8.55 radeon driver will not install can anyone tell me why ? |
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| 13:20.36 | liable | Alexandro: do you really need fglrx these days? |
| 13:21.22 | babilen | liable: no |
| 13:21.30 | zerohero_ | hello! my ldap users can't mount usb sticks, while local users can. any hints on what needs changing? |
| 13:21.32 | liable | err |
| 13:21.37 | liable | Agiofws: ^^ |
| 13:21.53 | liable | babilen: i didn't ask you :P |
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| 13:22.00 | Agiofws | liable, yes i do i need 3d graphics |
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| 13:22.03 | babilen | Agiofws: If I were you just use the radeon or radeonhd driver |
| 13:22.08 | Agiofws | nope |
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| 13:22.19 | liable | Agiofws: they do 3d now innit? |
| 13:22.25 | Agiofws | i use blender so i need accelerated graphics |
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| 13:22.45 | babilen | Agiofws: Ok, it might help if you elaborate on "will not install" then |
| 13:22.55 | liable | Agiofws: at any rate, try #ati |
| 13:23.12 | liable | or #radeonhd (iirc |
| 13:23.14 | liable | ) |
| 13:23.57 | Agiofws | babilen, if i run my old kernel ... and install version 8.55 it install and i have X , if i install new kernel the catalyst driver does not install it says something about wrong version number ... |
| 13:24.12 | Agiofws | BUT whats that got to do with a new kernel |
| 13:24.32 | Agiofws | [Radeon Mobility HD 2600 Series] |
| 13:25.03 | liable | that should support 3d accel with the oss driver surely |
| 13:25.16 | babilen | Agiofws: The fglrx kernel module can't be built for your vanilla kernel. Ask in #ati, they might know how to compile it. I doubt it is an issue with Debian. |
| 13:25.26 | liable | Agiofws: at any rate, this isnt the channel to ask. |
| 13:25.30 | Agiofws | how do you know this ? |
| 13:25.38 | Agiofws | well the onld version does .. |
| 13:25.46 | babilen | Agiofws: But I would *still* suggest to try radeon/radeonhd drivers too. |
| 13:26.17 | Agiofws | babilen, why do you insist they are inferior in terms of 3d support ... right |
| 13:26.34 | babilen | Agiofws: I know because you said so. If it would built fine you would not get that error. |
| 13:26.39 | liable | Agiofws: dude, please just go ask in the appropriate channel. |
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| 13:26.57 | babilen | Agiofws: I do not insist on it. I merely recommend that you evaluate your options before you take a decision. |
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| 13:27.16 | Agiofws | dude i am in ati you know its quite dead there though |
| 13:27.39 | liable | patience then |
| 13:28.04 | liable | they are generally very helpfull when awake from experience |
| 13:28.14 | Agiofws | well the thing is that when ever i want to keep up my kernel version i always get driver problems i can shi t on ati though i'm fed up with them |
| 13:28.34 | Agiofws | not the channel |
| 13:28.41 | ix | How can I check which IP I am logged in from? (Via SSH, current session.) |
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| 13:28.44 | Agiofws | but the corporation |
| 13:28.51 | Agiofws | ifconfig ? |
| 13:29.08 | Agiofws | route -n |
| 13:29.36 | babilen | ix: try netstat |
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| 13:31.01 | freebse | does someone have a transparent background in midnight commander, I just can not set the ini to transparent, can someone please copy his line ./mc/ini - base_color = (it is at the end of the file), thx a lot |
| 13:31.27 | Meths | ix: /var/log/auth.log should tell you as well as netstat |
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| 13:31.50 | babilen | ix: who might be a solution as well :-) |
| 13:31.51 | Agiofws | netstat -lntupena |
| 13:31.51 | ix | But no simple way to query the information? I want to use this in a script... |
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| 13:33.10 | Meths | ix: auth.log will play nicely with a script |
| 13:34.12 | hark | ix: try $SSH_CLIENT or $SSH_CONNECTION |
| 13:34.19 | flower | how to set EDITOR variable? |
| 13:34.57 | babilen | flower: export EDITOR=whatever in bash |
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| 13:35.42 | babilen | ix: Also evaluate lsof/netstat with some awk/set/cut thrown into the mix. Which language do you write the script in? |
| 13:35.59 | ix | babilen: bash |
| 13:36.28 | Meths | hark: hmmm, $SSH_CLIENT looks good - didn't know about that. |
| 13:36.29 | ix | hark: exactly what I was looking for, thanks :-) |
| 13:36.53 | ix | thanks to all other helpers too! |
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| 13:38.42 | babilen | ix: You will only be able to use the env vars if you run the script as the user you are connecting as though - but as this is what you want: We all learned something (thanks hark) |
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| 13:40.31 | hark | np, btw SSH_CLIENT is not mentioned in the man page but SSH_CONNECTION is |
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| 13:47.38 | pro | hi guys, does anyone know that the maximum amount of CPU's you can have in a 32bit version of linux are? |
| 13:47.58 | _adb | 32 ? |
| 13:48.11 | pro | and the maximum amount of ram? i know its 4Gb, but you can recompile the kernel and set it to 64Gb? |
| 13:48.15 | _adb | maximum RAM ? |
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| 13:48.34 | ix | X86 architecture? |
| 13:48.56 | abrotman | he's asking about CPUs .. probably should ask ##hardware |
| 13:49.23 | pro | the arch maybe 64, |
| 13:49.31 | pro | its 4x quadcore cpu's |
| 13:49.38 | abrotman | still ask ##hardware |
| 13:49.39 | ix | Then why use 32-bit? |
| 13:49.58 | pro | ix because the program they want to run on it is 32bit |
| 13:50.34 | ix | You can run 32-bit applications on a 64-bit kernel (given that the CPU architecture is X86_64). |
| 13:51.00 | pro | ok, thank you |
| 13:51.11 | ix | No problem. |
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| 13:52.39 | korhojoa | uh. i'd just use native if possible, there's no reason to use 64 if all you need is like a little more cpus or ram |
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| 13:52.57 | WormFood | has anyone tried dvdsiaster yet? I just tried it for the first time today, and it seems to have corrupted my iso image in the process. |
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| 13:55.00 | carlus | hello from France |
| 13:55.48 | WormFood | carlus, ä½ ä¼è¯´è±æåï¼ :P |
| 13:55.50 | _adb | salut |
| 13:55.52 | disown | I don't get any /dev/eth* device nodes, although they work, show up in ifconfig, and there is an entry in 70-persistent-net.rules. any hints? |
| 13:55.54 | abrotman | thought they said "howdy" in france |
| 13:56.24 | liable | thats a town in queensland |
| 13:56.38 | liable | not the country |
| 13:56.43 | babilen | WormFood: I would assume that carlus can speak at least a little English... |
| 13:56.56 | disown | also no messages in dmesg |
| 13:56.58 | WormFood | babilen, I would expect so |
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| 13:57.07 | ix | liable: I was /just/ looking for that on a map |
| 13:57.09 | babilen | WormFood: But that topic is kind of OT here ;-) |
| 13:57.12 | abrotman | disown: you never do ... |
| 13:57.13 | ix | :-p |
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| 13:57.33 | disown | abrotman: how do you mean? Are they not expected to be there? |
| 13:57.39 | liable | ix: the call it rockhampton these days |
| 13:57.43 | abrotman | disown: right |
| 13:57.53 | abrotman | disown: what are you actually trying to do ? |
| 13:57.58 | disown | abrotman: but I just set up a tun device, and I would like to write to it |
| 13:58.08 | pro | thanks guys |
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| 13:58.20 | debayan | বাহ! বà§à¦¶ à¦à¦¾à¦²à§ তà§! |
| 13:58.33 | liable | wth |
| 13:58.48 | debayan | sorry, that was by mistake. |
| 13:59.02 | WormFood | debayan, that sorta resembles mongolian script (but mongolian script is written vertically) |
| 13:59.06 | liable | its changing, every ten seconds or so. |
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| 13:59.17 | debayan | WormFood, that is Bengali. |
| 13:59.19 | abrotman | WormFood: debayan english here |
| 13:59.32 | flami | Hi Im trying to install Debian ( lenny ) on a SATA raid . ( yes its the only choice ). I ran dmraid in the installer, it finds the raid 10 correctly called jdc... , unfortunately the partitioner shows both mirros jdc...-1 and jdc...-0 |
| 13:59.41 | flami | any ide what I could do ? |
| 13:59.48 | linduxed | if i do "rsync myserver:some/folder/file.abc ~/some/place" while using keychain to manage a ssh key with password, will it be as secure as a scp command? |
| 13:59.48 | WormFood | yes abrotman, you are speaking english here :P |
| 13:59.53 | abrotman | not funny |
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| 14:00.13 | liable | he lost his sense of humour when he got +o status |
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| 14:00.22 | disown | abrotman: the kernel docs state that the tun devices are supposed to show up as nodes in /dev. This seems handy for debugging. |
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| 14:00.26 | abrotman | did you lose your sheep? |
| 14:00.26 | flami | rsync uses ssh , so yes its as secure as scp |
| 14:00.36 | WormFood | why you said my name, I don't know...I only said one thing not in english almost 5 minutes ago, and you didn't complain then |
| 14:00.39 | abrotman | disown: i've never seen them |
| 14:00.48 | liable | nope, wanna rent one? |
| 14:00.53 | disown | abrotman: I recall that net devices used to show up in /dev, did they never? What changed? |
| 14:01.01 | cokegen | hi, is there a way to know the exact config line used to compile the mysql binary I'm using ? |
| 14:01.11 | abrotman | !tell cokegen about debian/rules |
| 14:01.20 | abrotman | disown: i can't recall ever seeing htem .. i could be wrong |
| 14:01.27 | cokegen | like a phpinfo() would for php |
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| 14:01.52 | WormFood | anyone try dvdisaster yet? |
| 14:01.56 | linduxed | flami: ok thx |
| 14:02.07 | WormFood | it is a great idea, but I can't seem to get it to work |
| 14:02.15 | disown | abrotman: ok thanks |
| 14:02.29 | abrotman | disown: perhaps it's a kernel option that i've never ticked |
| 14:03.16 | carlus | i've a Debian simple without X. Every time I reboot it, i have to enter netword setting with ifconfig and route. However i have "auto eth" into the /etc/netword/interfaces. An idea ? |
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| 14:03.43 | abrotman | carlus: put your interfaces file in a pastebin |
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| 14:03.56 | liable | carlus: just "auto eth0" wont work |
| 14:04.00 | ix | Can GRUB or GRUB2 boot from LVM yet? |
| 14:04.13 | liable | grub2 can i think |
| 14:04.16 | abrotman | i thought they both could .. i'm sure grub2 could |
| 14:04.28 | liable | grub cant |
| 14:04.28 | ix | Okay, I'll try it! |
| 14:04.29 | WormFood | rsync does not use ssh, unless you configure it to |
| 14:04.41 | petemc | yes it does |
| 14:04.49 | liable | you sure? |
| 14:04.59 | petemc | yes |
| 14:05.05 | liable | hmm |
| 14:05.19 | liable | not what i had read. thought lilo was the choice |
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| 14:05.26 | petemc | erm |
| 14:05.33 | petemc | im talking to WormFood |
| 14:05.37 | abrotman | heh |
| 14:05.38 | liable | oh |
| 14:05.50 | flami | the standard in rsync is to use ssh |
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| 14:06.02 | carlus | liable: shure, i have auto eth0, and after the 4 lignes of settings (iface, adress, netmask, gateway) |
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| 14:06.19 | liable | carlus: so paste the file to a pastebin |
| 14:06.20 | WormFood | liable, I think abrotman lost his sense of humor when he realized he is gay. |
| 14:06.35 | liable | WormFood: not funny, or a smart comment |
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| 14:07.01 | petemc | thats the spirit |
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| 14:07.38 | Asmodeus_ | !kill abrotman |
| 14:07.38 | dpkg | tears a hole in abrotman's head with a whip |
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| 14:08.41 | liable | abrotman: not really +b worthy though either.. |
| 14:08.44 | carlus | my interfaces : http://paste.debian.net/52470/ |
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| 14:08.56 | abrotman | liable: aggregate ... |
| 14:09.00 | *** part/#debian Asmodeus_ (n=Asmodeus@110.34.29.88) |
| 14:09.06 | liable | fair enough |
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| 14:09.31 | liable | carlus: looks ok to me |
| 14:09.38 | abrotman | carlus: is there something special about the device? like USB or pcmcia ? |
| 14:10.00 | ewet | hi, are even identified nicks banned from using the freenode-webclient? |
| 14:10.16 | carlus | abrotman: no it's a very simple PC whit network on the mastercard |
| 14:10.40 | abrotman | ewet: in this channel? yes, the entire thing is banned IIRC |
| 14:10.44 | liable | carlus: whats its stats when it boots? |
| 14:11.06 | ewet | abrotman, oh my.. |
| 14:11.33 | abrotman | ewet: why? |
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| 14:11.44 | carlus | liable: any connection, ifconfig answer something like any network, i think |
| 14:12.13 | carlus | i'm with remote control now so i can't reboot because i'll loose control |
| 14:12.14 | abrotman | carlus: so what command are you typing in to get it working? |
| 14:12.24 | PepperBob | hi guys |
| 14:12.45 | carlus | ifconfig eth0 inet up 192.168.1.104 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 192.168.255.255 |
| 14:12.58 | carlus | and route add default gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 14:13.20 | ewet | okay.. so after my humiliating desaster I came to reconsider my fallback and rescue methods. although I don't need xwindows too much for these things I wonder if there is a packages file for live-helper including xfce _and_ rescue? |
| 14:13.42 | ix | Gah, I chose to use LVM in the installer, now I came to the part where I am prompted to install a bootloader, and all I can select is LILO. :-P |
| 14:13.57 | ewet | so my new rescue live cd will also have xfce on board |
| 14:14.00 | abrotman | ix: lenny? |
| 14:14.13 | liable | carlus: but what does ifconfig and route say after a fresh boot? |
| 14:14.22 | ix | abrotman: yup |
| 14:14.34 | abrotman | ix: did you also encrypt it? |
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| 14:15.07 | ewet | oh and it's not a cd but a stick -- of course |
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| 14:15.20 | carlus | liable: sorry i don't remember, but i think ifconfig says something like any network, not sure |
| 14:15.28 | ix | abrotman: nope |
| 14:15.48 | carlus | i can see that tonight and come back tomorrow |
| 14:16.19 | abrotman | ix: oh wait ... i don't think the grub in lenny can boot LVM, but grub2 in lenny can |
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| 14:17.03 | ix | Bah. LILO can't either, apparently... Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block. :-p |
| 14:19.35 | zerohero_ | ok, narrowed my problem down a bit, but none of the google tips help |
| 14:19.38 | zerohero_ | how do i add ldap users to local groups? |
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| 14:19.44 | zerohero_ | on debian stable, that is |
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| 14:33.55 | julianoliver | is there a mirror, in English or Spanish, for packages.debian.org? it's unbearably slow from here (DE). |
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| 14:34.22 | julianoliver | in Deutsch would be fine also.. |
| 14:35.01 | abrotman | what are you using it for? |
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| 14:35.34 | julianoliver | abrotman: re-searching packages for architectures and branches other than my own. |
| 14:35.43 | julianoliver | abrotman: a few downloads for cross-compiling. |
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| 14:37.53 | abrotman | julianoliver: it has more than one IP .. you could try the other perhaps ? |
| 14:38.17 | julianoliver | abrotman: ahh, a good thought. i had forgotten this. |
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| 14:41.14 | glamm | hello people. I'm a PHP programmer and I'm trying to solute the problem to get filesize of files >4GB. So, I want use shell_exec, but I don't know how get the filesize value in bytes from a file in Debian. Do you? |
| 14:42.13 | themill | glamm: stat(1) |
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| 14:43.26 | themill | glamm: to be precise, stat --printf="%s" foo (but doesn't php have a direct wrapper around fs calls like that already?) |
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| 14:45.26 | Asmodeus_ | !kill obama |
| 14:45.26 | dpkg | rips obama open with his teeth |
| 14:45.27 | glamm | themill:no, PHP doens't support files bigger than 4GB. Common files <2GB can return size with filesize(), and between 2GB and 4GB with sprintf("%u",filesize()) |
| 14:46.26 | glamm | themill: but how i must put the command, like for a file names "bigg.iso"? |
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| 14:47.23 | themill | Asmodeus_: do you have something constructive and on-topic to add to #debian? |
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| 14:47.50 | themill | glamm: stat --printf="%s" bigg.iso. You man find "man 1 stat" useful at this stage. |
| 14:48.00 | cokegen | somebody knows if there are plans to include sphinxse into the debian mysql-server ? |
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| 14:49.51 | glamm | themill: stat -c%s "big.iso" works perfect. Thanks a lot! |
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| 14:51.01 | themill | glamm: no worries. That will give you a newline at the end of the output whereas --printf won't. Up to you whether you want that. |
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| 14:51.28 | Blapecool | hi Alexandro |
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| 14:54.27 | TheJoe | So I'm being risky and running unstable upgrades, the package openoffice.org-emailmerge is broken and preventing the other 400 upgrades from installing. I've already gone back and forth between -f install and upgrade but now emailmerge wants special treatment :\ |
| 14:56.20 | TheJoe | Oh it looks like removing OpenOffice altogether fixed it |
| 14:56.39 | liable | or just hold it |
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| 14:57.17 | ix | abrotman: Starting a console during boot, chrooting to the installation target and installing grub2 worked like a charm. |
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| 14:57.37 | ix | Should've been available in the installer, but, meh. At least it works now. :-) |
| 14:58.32 | liable | squeeze installer does grub2 i think |
| 14:58.47 | ix | I bet, seeing as this was straightforward. |
| 14:59.03 | ix | Now, to convert all ext3 file systems to ext4... |
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| 15:00.11 | gusto | openoffice is often fixed by removing and then installing it again especially in testing or unstable |
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| 15:01.06 | d1b | gusto: should we submit a feature request :) -> to make that happen faster ;) |
| 15:01.20 | gusto | no |
| 15:01.31 | gusto | i dont see why that should be needed |
| 15:01.40 | d1b | i was joking |
| 15:01.52 | gusto | maybe making better deb package would help |
| 15:02.06 | gusto | but however |
| 15:02.19 | gusto | thats just on testing, so as long as it works its ok |
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| 15:03.17 | gusto | you can still do it fast by apt-get remove / purge openoffice.org && (maybe also autoremove &&) apt-get install openoffice.org |
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| 15:05.12 | MayaT | hello :) |
| 15:05.19 | d1b | hi. |
| 15:05.51 | MayaT | now i am the part of debian family...... :) |
| 15:06.09 | liable | bastard son |
| 15:06.18 | liable | ;) |
| 15:07.54 | qwd | I tried to install Debian Lenny i386 on VirtualBox (which is running under Debian Squeeze AMD64) last night and it just stopped during installation when it said "man-db", I think I had the same problem last time I tried this. Any ideas? |
| 15:09.22 | julianoliver | liable: that's the kind of welcoming attitude Debian is liable for ;) |
| 15:09.59 | julianoliver | in other words, hi MayaT. welcome. |
| 15:10.05 | liable | i aim to please! |
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| 15:10.17 | MayaT | julianoliver, thanks :) |
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| 15:10.50 | julianoliver | MayaT: a new user or have you become a developer/maintainer? |
| 15:11.25 | Stereo | qwd: why not install the 64 bit version ? |
| 15:11.48 | gusto | MayaT: there is no debian family |
| 15:12.10 | gusto | MayaT: there are only a few users of debian (a few million maybe) |
| 15:12.17 | gusto | btw |
| 15:12.40 | gusto | how many users use debian in the world? |
| 15:12.50 | MayaT | gusto, hahaha |
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| 15:13.42 | julianoliver | gusto: debian and it's derivatives, 10s of millions most likely. Debian itself, only collated statistics from the package repositories could aid a guess. |
| 15:14.13 | gusto | ok |
| 15:14.24 | gusto | 10 million is quite a lot |
| 15:14.25 | qwd | Stereo: I tried that but got some error that I needed to install 32bit |
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| 15:14.59 | julianoliver | qwd: perhaps #vbox is a better place to ask. several Debian users there. |
| 15:15.33 | qwd | julianoliver: I did that as well but no answer yet :) |
| 15:15.37 | MayaT | how to install USB Modem 3G/GPRS vodafone on debian? |
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| 15:16.38 | julianoliver | MayaT: un plug it, re-plug it and paste the output of 'dmesg' to http://pastebin.com |
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| 15:17.04 | d1b | julianoliver: also needs vwdial right ? |
| 15:17.21 | Supermiguel | umm while trying to get debian stable to install, as soon as i hit install it locks up in the language selection screen :S |
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| 15:18.03 | julianoliver | d1b: perhaps.. |
| 15:18.06 | d1b | Supermiguel: check the md5 sum of the cd. |
| 15:18.21 | piper69 | i am having issues from last night downloading ubunto 9 from ubuntu site |
| 15:18.31 | d1b | piper69: yes... and |
| 15:18.35 | d1b | !ubuntu |
| 15:18.35 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 15:18.36 | julianoliver | piper69: this is #debian. see #ubuntu |
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| 15:19.30 | MayaT | julianoliver, where to check the output of 'dmesg' |
| 15:19.48 | julianoliver | MayaT: in a terminal.. |
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| 15:20.17 | gusto | i tried to pose my question to wolfram-alpha, but that wasnt very successful |
| 15:20.43 | MayaT | ok <tools> <terminal> rite |
| 15:21.18 | d1b | MayaT: then you want to pastebin it |
| 15:21.23 | d1b | !pastebin |
| 15:21.23 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 15:21.40 | gusto | maybe google knows more |
| 15:22.04 | Supermiguel | d1b, md5 look good |
| 15:22.22 | Supermiguel | d1b, burned few times and same issue |
| 15:22.22 | d1b | ok. whats the target system Supermiguel ? |
| 15:22.53 | Supermiguel | d1b, desktop.. amd64 5.0 ran fine |
| 15:23.04 | d1b | odd. |
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| 15:23.57 | xjkx | pendrive detection problem http://pastebin.ca/1688207 |
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| 15:24.39 | Supermiguel | d1b, i mean to check the md5.. im just using a program named MD5 check utility... and the file that im picking is md5sum.txt from the cd |
| 15:24.48 | d1b | ok. |
| 15:25.06 | d1b | xjkx: if fdisk doesnt work, it might have issues... |
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| 15:25.17 | DelphiWorld | afternoun all |
| 15:25.33 | xjkx | physical issues ? d1b, you mean its broken and i cant help it ? |
| 15:25.42 | d1b | dmesg shows its breaky. |
| 15:26.27 | d1b | just get a new one, if you can't get it working, they are cheap |
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| 15:26.49 | xjkx | yea, its not about the money but the challange |
| 15:27.00 | xjkx | it says its braky here "READ CAPACITY failed" ? |
| 15:27.07 | xjkx | breaky* |
| 15:27.23 | d1b | xjkx: not only there, i was really meaning "waiting for device to settle before scanning" |
| 15:27.39 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: lua |
| 15:27.39 | dpkg | hmm... lua is an embeddable "scripting" language that is too new to use, or mostly all hype |
| 15:28.02 | xjkx | "Attached SCSI removable disk" is this part right ? its a USB flash drive |
| 15:28.08 | d1b | that's fine. |
| 15:28.14 | DelphiWorld | how do install the package that contin lua developmant library? |
| 15:28.20 | d1b | xjkx: try lsusb. |
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| 15:28.27 | DelphiWorld | like lua.h |
| 15:29.06 | Devastator | lua-dev? |
| 15:29.07 | Devastator | :P |
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| 15:30.52 | xjkx | d1b: Bus 003 Device 015: ID 0951:1607 Kingston Technology |
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| 15:31.43 | d1b | xjkx: mm have you tried using a gui :) --> like gparted ? |
| 15:31.52 | the-dude | can aptitude use a proxy.pac file ? |
| 15:31.53 | xjkx | yea, it doesn't detect |
| 15:31.58 | d1b | xjkx: orly. |
| 15:32.40 | Devastator | if linux can fix it, give up :) |
| 15:32.43 | Devastator | can't |
| 15:32.55 | xjkx | maybe it can, and I cant :p |
| 15:33.08 | Devastator | fsck? :P |
| 15:33.15 | d1b | xjkx: a hammer normally works! |
| 15:33.26 | xjkx | lol |
| 15:34.39 | Supermiguel | d1b, umm the problem is with my wireless keyboard.. when it loads the install it quits working.. installled a ps/2 keyboard and at least i can move around.. |
| 15:35.07 | MoDaX | !find lua.h |
| 15:35.12 | d1b | Supermiguel: AH. |
| 15:35.20 | d1b | so use a ps/2 keyboard for the installation.. |
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| 15:36.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lua.h' (6 of 21): (/usr/include/tolua.h) in libdevel/libtolua-dev ;; (/usr/lib/tome/help/lua.hlp) in non-free/games/tome ;; (/usr/include/lua40/lua.h) in libdevel/liblua40-dev ;; (/usr/include/lua50/lua.h) in libdevel/liblua50-dev ;; (/usr/share/doc/lua50-doc/manual/lua.html) in doc/lua50-doc ;; (/usr/share/doc/lua40-doc/manual/lua.html) in doc/lua40-doc. |
| 15:36.50 | MoDaX | DelphiWorld: ^^ |
| 15:36.54 | DelphiWorld | Devastator: liblua5.1-dev |
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| 15:38.32 | lxsameer | hi is there any problem with debian servers? |
| 15:38.48 | d1b | lxsameer: could you be more specific.. |
| 15:38.52 | Devastator | unlikely.. |
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| 15:40.33 | Supermiguel | d1b, u using unstable? |
| 15:40.44 | d1b | Supermiguel: no |
| 15:40.55 | TheJoe | Ok so it's called UNSTABLE for a reason |
| 15:41.22 | TheJoe | Somehow the upgrade fucked up, GNOME is uninstalled, both the stable and unstable repos will not allow me to reinstall GNOME on account of broken packages |
| 15:41.30 | d1b | unstable is fairly stable, just i don't the have time to fix stuff that breaks. |
| 15:41.36 | d1b | TheJoe: learn to hold stuff... |
| 15:41.42 | lxsameer | dlb i cant get any file from any debian server with more that 2 kb per second |
| 15:41.43 | TheJoe | er? |
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| 15:41.58 | d1b | TheJoe: also don't mix repositories |
| 15:42.01 | d1b | it is NOT supported. |
| 15:42.05 | TheJoe | I'm not mixing them |
| 15:42.10 | TheJoe | I'm using stable purely now |
| 15:42.13 | TheJoe | But I WAS using unstable |
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| 15:43.10 | Shadur | You tried to downgrade unstable to stable? |
| 15:43.10 | d1b | TheJoe: downgrades are also NOT supported. |
| 15:43.35 | TheJoe | Autoremove is basically just telling me to reinstall Debian |
| 15:43.47 | TheJoe | sigh |
| 15:43.52 | TheJoe | It will only be the fifth time this week |
| 15:43.55 | d1b | TheJoe: yes, downgrades are NOT supported. |
| 15:44.02 | TheJoe | I'm not trying to downgrade |
| 15:44.12 | TheJoe | I'm actually back on unstable repos again trying to upgrade |
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| 15:44.18 | d1b | TheJoe: so only use sid in the repos.... |
| 15:44.43 | d1b | and then try upgrade but next time watch what happenes seriously. you are probably better off on testing on STABLE if you can't manage it |
| 15:44.47 | Martin_vW | hello. Is it safe to restart cron from inside a cronjob, or could the cronjob and all subprocesses get killed by this? |
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| 15:45.13 | TheJoe | d1b: All I wanted was GNOME 2.28, too. heh |
| 15:45.14 | d1b | Martin_vW: what...? |
| 15:45.36 | TheJoe | s |
| 15:45.56 | TheJoe | So 64-linux, what's 32-bit compatibility like? |
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| 15:45.59 | TheJoe | IE: is it worth using |
| 15:46.14 | TheJoe | s/64-linux/64-bit linux/ |
| 15:46.23 | Martin_vW | d1b: If a cronjob would run /etc/init.d/cron restart... would that be safe, or could the cronjob kill itself when restarting cron? |
| 15:46.27 | d1b | TheJoe: 32bit is fine ;). |
| 15:46.45 | d1b | Martin_vW: why do you want to restart cron tho ? |
| 15:46.53 | d1b | TheJoe: 64bit nice. |
| 15:47.13 | Martin_vW | d1b: it's not a single cron job that just restarts cron, it's a bit more complex... I'll try to explain |
| 15:47.19 | cire | I have some filenames, where umlauts got replaced by "?". (e.g. Mot?rhead). I know this is an encoding problem, and now I want to find all files with wrong encoding and rename them accordingly. How would you do that? |
| 15:47.21 | TheJoe | That said, finding 64-bit drivers for my wifi will be more hassle than I need |
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| 15:47.30 | d1b | Martin_vW: i don't see why you would need to restart cron... |
| 15:47.30 | brbrbr | warmly greet anyone |
| 15:47.41 | d1b | TheJoe: rtfm. |
| 15:48.11 | Martin_vW | d1b: we run about 500 debian servers, and these servers have a script called iservchk that checks the integrity of config files and daemons. There is another script, iservupd, that runs aptitude dist-upgrade and then iservchk. |
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| 15:48.25 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
| 15:48.33 | d1b | Martin_vW: ah i see. |
| 15:48.49 | d1b | Martin_vW: but you have to assume that if cron is broken, then the script will never run :-) |
| 15:48.52 | Martin_vW | d1b: iservchk now also checks the permissions of /etc/crontab, and if it changes them, it has to restart cron. But I fear that the running iservupd/aptitude/iservchk processes could get killed while restarting cron. |
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| 15:49.29 | Martin_vW | d1b: good point, but it could be possible that iservchk decides to restart cron although it might still be working. |
| 15:49.34 | d1b | Martin_vW: i see. so only do the permissions changes at a given hour / time. |
| 15:49.58 | d1b | Martin_vW: but why would you need to change those permisions like that ? |
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| 15:50.22 | Martin_vW | d1b: the permissions should never change, but I've just found a server where an admin has accidentally changed the /etc/crontab permissions, and that killed cron. So I decided to add a safety check to iservchk that could fix this. |
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| 15:51.23 | Martin_vW | d1b: you're right in that this would probably be of no use when cron is already dead, but as all server admins know that they can run iservchk to fix all kinds of problems, they would then possibly run it manually. |
| 15:51.23 | d1b | Martin_vW: that's an isolated test case then. personally, i would check for these things and then let a human fix it. |
| 15:51.28 | d1b | you don't know what the problem is / foo. |
| 15:51.49 | d1b | and could cause problems by randomly changing permissions. |
| 15:53.23 | Martin_vW | d1b: you might be right about the permissions, but I'm still wondering if it would be safe to restart cron from inside the cronjob :) |
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| 15:53.41 | d1b | Martin_vW: should be fine. |
| 15:53.50 | Martin_vW | d1b: ok, thank you |
| 15:54.28 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
| 15:54.41 | dboehmer | how to obtain s2ram in current debian squeeze? |
| 15:54.55 | dboehmer | pkg swsusp is not available currently |
| 15:55.04 | d1b | Martin_vW: you realise that this script is now going to run as root :) |
| 15:55.05 | d1b | right... |
| 15:55.35 | Martin_vW | d1b: iservchk always runs with root permissions. Or do you mean something else? |
| 15:55.58 | d1b | Martin_vW: that's what i mean :) |
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| 15:56.38 | Martin_vW | d1b: yes, but that's by design. It couldn't fix anything if it hadn't root permissions. |
| 15:56.45 | d1b | Martin_vW: :) |
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| 15:57.31 | danisahne | hi all i just want to ask if im right |
| 15:57.48 | danisahne | i want to install realtek driver |
| 15:58.08 | d1b | danisahne: yes... |
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| 15:58.50 | danisahne | and he searches for /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-amd64/build and doenst find |
| 15:59.32 | danisahne | i apt-get kernel source untarred it make oldeconfig and make all |
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| 15:59.55 | danisahne | -all |
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| 16:00.12 | danisahne | is this the right why? |
| 16:00.32 | danisahne | and then ican copy the build directory? |
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| 16:03.39 | danisahne | or do i have to make install? because i dont want do that |
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| 16:06.30 | Martin_vW | d1b: I tested it, it's really safe. I just added a "sleep 500" minutely cronjob, waited for it to start, and then restarted cron. cron starts subprocesses that show up as "/USR/SBIN/CRON" (instead of /usr/sbin/cron; possibly so they won't get killed by killall cron) and sleep is always a subprocess of one of these. When the main cron process is restarted, the CRON processes detach from it and continue to run. |
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| 16:08.41 | d1b | Martin_vW: oh i see what you mean, usually i launch script / python, so it isn't an issue. |
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| 16:13.29 | ramindia | hi iam using debian 5.0.3 with my own application |
| 16:13.29 | nvz | ramindia: congratulations |
| 16:13.29 | ramindia | how can i make same config ISO image to install other servers |
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| 16:13.43 | ramindia | like my own ISO image |
| 16:14.04 | d1b | ramindia: there are a number of packages that can let you do this... / methods |
| 16:14.08 | nvz | !bootcd |
| 16:14.15 | nvz | or not |
| 16:14.20 | nvz | dpkg, boot-cd |
| 16:14.21 | dpkg | nvz: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 16:14.29 | nvz | I wish you'd be less of a dick |
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| 16:14.39 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 16:14.39 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . Also ask me about <kmuto>. |
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| 16:14.51 | nvz | but as the philosopher jagger once said, you can't always get what you want |
| 16:14.55 | abrotman | or see the bootcd package |
| 16:15.19 | dclarke | pardon the intrusion .. is there a netboot image for Debian 5.0.3 that runs on PowerPC systems ? |
| 16:15.58 | nvz | you mean like debian-5.0.3-netinst-ppc.iso |
| 16:16.02 | nvz | or whatever its called |
| 16:16.11 | dclarke | I guess exactly that sort of thing .. yes |
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| 16:16.32 | ramindia | boot-cd or bootcd package name ? |
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| 16:17.47 | nvz | ramindia: there are a collection of scripts called bootcd that made things like knoppix and ubuntu possible |
| 16:17.50 | dclarke | goes hunting for a ppc bootimage |
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| 16:18.07 | nvz | ramindia: they can take a installed distro and put it onto a live cd env and back to a hd |
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| 16:18.42 | ramindia | nvz: i dont want live CD, i want Installable ISO image..Looking now bootcd document |
| 16:18.59 | nvz | its the same thing |
| 16:19.10 | rgr | not its not. |
| 16:19.28 | nvz | yeah, really it is cause it will put it back on the hd just like it was |
| 16:19.33 | ramindia | Live CD boot from CDROM, ISO image install to HDD |
| 16:19.41 | nvz | I mean its not a custom d-i or anything |
| 16:19.50 | rgr | an installable ISO image is not the "same" as a reinstallable "live cd" snapshot. |
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| 16:20.11 | abrotman | see custom netinst above |
| 16:20.40 | nvz | I need something to do with myself.. |
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| 16:20.48 | nvz | where the hell is a basketball when ya need one |
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| 16:21.05 | ramindia | abrotman: iam reading this document " http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD" |
| 16:21.07 | abrotman | WormFood: Please don't evade the ban |
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| 16:23.57 | Dumbix | hi all |
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| 16:24.22 | mkverc | hello guys |
| 16:25.11 | Devastator | !find tamarack.cis |
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| 16:25.55 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'tamarack.cis' (1): (/lib/firmware/cis/tamarack.cis) in kernel/firmware-linux-free. |
| 16:25.57 | Dumbix | my squid is too low and heavy.. when I try to open a website it took so much time |
| 16:26.14 | Dumbix | any suggestions ? |
| 16:26.23 | Devastator | !find tamarack.dat |
| 16:26.36 | hark | Devastator: /msg the bot |
| 16:26.45 | Devastator | hakr sorry |
| 16:26.46 | hark | !tell Devastator about apt-file |
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| 16:27.06 | hark | Dumbix: use something more lightweight? |
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| 16:27.50 | abrotman | Dumbix: is it taking too long because of bandwidth issues or DNS lookups, or you don't know yet? |
| 16:28.15 | Dumbix | hark: no I must use squid |
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| 16:28.32 | Dumbix | abrotman, I did a test without proxy and it works fine |
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| 16:28.41 | abrotman | Dumbix: that doesn't answer the question |
| 16:29.23 | Dumbix | abrotman, DNS works.. Bandwidth is fine.. |
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| 16:29.42 | Dumbix | the problem occurs when I use squid as a proxy web |
| 16:29.58 | abrotman | Dumbix: but there should be a reason it's noticeably slower |
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| 16:30.04 | Devastator | strange.. couldn't find tamarack.cis using packages.debian.org :S |
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| 16:30.40 | hark | Devastator: you have to choose "search within packages" or similar |
| 16:30.43 | Dumbix | abrotman, it's the first time I used squid.. and there is nothing running in the server before |
| 16:30.52 | Akuw | i need the last version of ffmpeg, what repository can i use ? |
| 16:30.53 | Devastator | hakr tried :( |
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| 16:32.19 | hark | Devastator: which version of debian? |
| 16:32.33 | Devastator | hark lenny 5.0.3 |
| 16:32.48 | abrotman | Akuw: probably debian-multimedia.org |
| 16:33.07 | mkverc | i create an account in this name is include "debian" ...is some problem with that used with some copyright specification or another related specification? |
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| 16:33.58 | nvz | mkverc: parse error, try again. |
| 16:34.00 | hark | Devastator: it should be in the kernel itself. it's been split out to a separate firmware package in sid, it looks like |
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| 16:34.19 | mkverc | nvz: what...?:) |
| 16:34.38 | nvz | mkverc: too many verbs of conflicting tense and whatnot, that makes no sense at all |
| 16:35.06 | nvz | I have no idea what you are even asking there |
| 16:35.36 | abrotman | mkverc: no, you can use have a username with 'debian' in it |
| 16:35.46 | Devastator | hark when i tried to install debian in my old notebook that has a ethernet card which uses tamarack.cis, i had to manually copy tamarack.dat to /lib/firmware/tamarack.cis, just trying to find an easy way to install it next time.. i wasn't aware of !find command |
| 16:36.01 | mkverc | i create an account with the name iwhat include the word "debian" ...is some problem with that used with some copyright specification or another related specification? |
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| 16:38.11 | nvz | abrotman: I thought he might be asking that, but really couldnt tell |
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| 16:38.54 | mkverc | i create an account with the name that include the word "debian" ...is some problem with that used with some copyright specification or another related specification? |
| 16:39.00 | alexmlw | how kill X? killall gdm is not work |
| 16:39.09 | jorik | mkverc: account where? |
| 16:39.14 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 16:39.37 | mkverc | jorik: in some forum list |
| 16:39.38 | nvz | mkverc: you've said essentially the same thing 3 times and it still makes no sense.. but if you are asking about creating users on your own personal machine, you can do whatever you want. |
| 16:39.41 | Devastator | mkverc didn't you saw abrotman's answer? |
| 16:39.47 | abrotman | see |
| 16:40.29 | nvz | mkverc: aside from the fact your sentances lack overall consistency with verb tense and pronoun direction, there is no context indicating what king of account you speak of |
| 16:41.07 | dclarke | sees "king of account" and edits for "kind of account" |
| 16:41.32 | Devastator | nvz i think i got it, he created an account containing debian in the alias, he's asking if it can use it |
| 16:41.55 | Devastator | if he can use it... |
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| 16:42.08 | nvz | Devastator: a bank account? an online porn site account? |
| 16:42.16 | Devastator | nvz forum account |
| 16:42.30 | Teaboy`work | nvz: you spelt sentence wrong ;) |
| 16:42.42 | nvz | Teaboy`work: yeah, I do stuff like that |
| 16:43.05 | nvz | Teaboy`work: I'm a yinzer.. so I know about misiterpretation |
| 16:43.24 | nvz | not to mention I'm typing on a netbook which is difficult to begin with |
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| 16:45.29 | nvz | when I see stuff with more than one type of casual typo or mismatched context I generally ask what their native language is so I may be able to understand their grammar |
| 16:46.05 | nvz | I'd rather try translate from a language I'm not fluent in than try to translate my native language spoken incorrectly.. english is a pita |
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| 16:55.13 | Akuw | how can i see what version of debian i have? |
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| 16:55.26 | petemc | !version |
| 16:55.26 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 16:56.42 | nudols | !list |
| 16:56.42 | dpkg | nudols: VATTENE VIA |
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| 16:59.21 | Agiofws | can anyone guide to page for suspend to ram on my linux laptop i feel that its time to have this work in linux especially for the life time of my laptop it simply just hangs and reboots after trying to wake it up can anyone help me ? |
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| 17:02.23 | Dennis_ | llo friends, stupid question.. how to restart iptables? /etc/init.d/iptables is gone! |
| 17:02.42 | themill | !suspend troubleshooting |
| 17:02.42 | dpkg | A guide for troubleshooting suspend-to-RAM and suspend-to-disk problems is at http://en.opensuse.org/Suspend_to_RAM . The tools it talks about are available in the Debian package uswsusp. |
| 17:02.43 | petemc | rerun your iptables script |
| 17:02.46 | themill | Agiofws: ^^ |
| 17:03.29 | Dennis_ | mmm well, i dont have an iptables script |
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| 17:04.18 | abrotman | Dennis_: how did you add all the rules? |
| 17:04.25 | Dennis_ | just by hand :) |
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| 17:04.43 | abrotman | Dennis_: iptables-save ? |
| 17:05.04 | Hazel | how can i add a package to the official debian distribution? |
| 17:05.05 | Dennis_ | done :) |
| 17:05.10 | Hazel | is there any doc about it? |
| 17:05.11 | Dennis_ | didnt know if it created a file or so |
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| 17:05.31 | themill | Hazel: /msg dpkg nmg |
| 17:05.45 | Hazel | thanks |
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| 17:06.29 | venger | anyone know syntax to string pattern match in the dash shell ? ie equivalent to bash if [[ "$MYVAR" =~ somestring ]]; |
| 17:06.31 | Stereo | Dennis_: I remember the author of /etc/init.d/iptables writing about how broken it was and how much he hated it |
| 17:07.08 | Dennis_ | mmm ok, well, i saved the iptables now i guess. How to restart it right now? |
| 17:08.16 | Titan8990 | venger, go to #bash |
| 17:08.27 | Titan8990 | venger, they know about posix standard shells too |
| 17:08.30 | rgr | nvz: how cool. You change your grammar parsing based on what you perceive their language to be. Neat .... |
| 17:08.53 | venger | Titan8990, ok |
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| 17:09.52 | lepine | Has anyone here dealt much with PCI certification? |
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| 17:11.38 | nvz | rgr: well actualy yeah.. but if its not a latin based language or one I'm somewhat familiar with it doesnt work\ |
| 17:11.54 | RichiH | if i hotplug a SATA disk into my system, it should just show up in fdisk -l, no? |
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| 17:11.56 | HardDisk_WP | hey |
| 17:12.03 | HardDisk_WP | I run small debian testing vserver |
| 17:12.14 | HardDisk_WP | during latest upgrade i got some sysv-rc package |
| 17:12.16 | Titan8990 | RichiH, if your storage controller support hotswapping, yes |
| 17:12.21 | nvz | RichiH: or in dmesg I would think |
| 17:12.22 | Titan8990 | RichiH, should also appear in dmesg |
| 17:12.30 | HardDisk_WP | which said it has some strange problems because of some packages |
| 17:12.34 | HardDisk_WP | will the system still boot? |
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| 17:13.12 | RichiH | yah, does not appear in dmesg |
| 17:13.13 | RichiH | bleh |
| 17:13.33 | nvz | HardDisk_WP: probably not. but your question is vague |
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| 17:13.46 | Agiofws | i added just one option to kernel latency_top as compiled in ... and its compiling the whole thing again is this normal ? |
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| 17:14.31 | nvz | RichiH: maybe your controller doesnt do hotswap |
| 17:14.46 | RichiH | yah, that's what i fear, atm |
| 17:15.13 | abrotman | RichiH: uhm .. hold on |
| 17:15.30 | rgr | I would have guessed it would not work with a language you are not familiar with ,,, I find it easier to try to understand their english. Much easier than changing between 40 different latin based grammar parsers. |
| 17:15.31 | abrotman | !rescan scsi |
| 17:15.31 | dpkg | scsi rescan is probably echo "- - -" > /sys/class/scsi_host/host#/scan (where # is the number of the relevant SCSI host). Any new devices found will be listed in /proc/scsi/scsi. Functionality now in sysfs (scan host has scan node, scsi device has a rescan node). Alternatively, aptitude install scsitools && rescan-scsi-bus.sh |
| 17:15.34 | abrotman | seomthing like that |
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| 17:16.42 | jelly | dpkg: rescan scsi is also see scsiadd package |
| 17:16.42 | dpkg | jelly: okay |
| 17:16.54 | nvz | rgr: I'm only familiar with about 6 so.. either way I get better translations from google than from people trying to speak a f'd language like english most of the time |
| 17:16.57 | sander | I just installed squeeze.. And in skype audio settings.. it only comes up "Pulse audio server (local)". whats that?. And how can I set up my microphone and speakers with it? |
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| 17:17.13 | Akuw | how can i see what version of debian i have? |
| 17:17.17 | RichiH | rescan-scsi-bus.sh worked |
| 17:17.19 | RichiH | thanks! |
| 17:17.22 | jelly | and /proc/scsi/scsi is deprecated, but I can't be arsed to look up and fix the factoid |
| 17:17.28 | Titan8990 | Akuw, cat /etc/issue |
| 17:17.34 | jelly | Akuw: /msg dpkg version |
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| 17:19.00 | Akuw | i am using lenny and want to install last version of ffmpeg and x264 |
| 17:19.07 | Akuw | what repository can use? |
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| 17:19.20 | Titan8990 | !dmm |
| 17:19.20 | dpkg | hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 17:19.43 | alexmlw | what is problem? |
| 17:20.13 | Akuw | that is with me? |
| 17:20.34 | alexmlw | what is problem? |
| 17:20.35 | alexmlw | video_out_xv: No adaptors found. |
| 17:20.38 | alexmlw | You can improve performance by installing an X11 |
| 17:20.39 | alexmlw | driver that supports the Xv protocol extension. |
| 17:20.46 | Titan8990 | Akuw, the dmm repo should include ffmpeg, not sure what x264 is |
| 17:21.22 | Akuw | http://mewiki.project357.com/wiki/X264_Settings |
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| 17:22.46 | Akuw | x264 is a free library for encoding H264/AVC video streams |
| 17:22.50 | xamanu | Are there any ISOs of "unstable"? Even "testing" is to old for me (I need Kernel 2.6.31). |
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| 17:25.01 | Titan8990 | xamanu, if you have to ask, you shouldn't be using unstable |
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| 17:25.39 | franki^ | xamanu: i'm using 2.6.31 with testing.. |
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| 17:26.08 | Akuw | the debian.multimedia.org have 2007 version |
| 17:26.11 | Akuw | is too old |
| 17:26.12 | jelly | xamanu: if the installer kernel is good enough for you to boot and install, you can upgrade it later |
| 17:26.38 | Titan8990 | always forgets the name of the alternate lenny installer with updated kernel |
| 17:26.40 | jelly | xamanu: what functionality do you need from 2.6.31? |
| 17:26.46 | jelly | Titan8990: kumto? |
| 17:26.49 | jelly | kmuto* |
| 17:26.52 | Titan8990 | yep, thats it |
| 17:26.56 | jelly | !kmuto |
| 17:26.56 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 17:26.58 | xamanu | jelly thanks, the problem is that kernel versions before 2.6.31 aren't supporting my eth and wifi card. so netinst is not possible |
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| 17:27.23 | themill | judd versions libx264-65 |
| 17:27.26 | Titan8990 | xamanu, if you don't select anything in tasksel, netisnt doesn't require a net connection |
| 17:27.28 | judd | themill: libx264-65 -- lenny-multimedia: 1:0.svn20090115-0.0 |
| 17:27.28 | jelly | xamanu: sure it is, just put the kernel deb on a usb stick |
| 17:27.35 | themill | Akuw: ^^ that looks somewhat newer than 2007 |
| 17:28.24 | Akuw | hummmm |
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| 17:28.36 | xamanu | jelly, I could install from the netinst the minimal system, as described here: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/Model/1005HA but this wouldn't work for encrypted LVMs because after the first restart it is not finding the LVM, I guess some packages are missing |
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| 17:30.04 | xamanu | Titan8990 thank you. I tried it like i told jelly right now. this wouldn't install the necessary packages for hard disc encryption |
| 17:30.04 | Akuw | i added debian.multimedia to sources.list, how can i install now ffmpeg, because when i use aptitude show ffmpeg it show Version: 3:20070329-0.0Etch |
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| 17:30.37 | avu | Akuw, did you run aptitude update after adding the new source? |
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| 17:30.48 | xamanu | thanks jelly and Titan8990 I will try the netinst with the newer kernel, just copied over |
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| 17:31.27 | _Trinity_ | hi everyone |
| 17:32.04 | _Trinity_ | say is smartmontools is way to go to heck SMART statusthese days? |
| 17:32.29 | Titan8990 | yes |
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| 17:35.41 | _Trinity_ | Titan8990: If I have a multiple partition setup, do I have to check each partition? |
| 17:36.35 | Akuw | yes |
| 17:36.53 | _Trinity_ | ok, thanks guys |
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| 17:37.46 | _Trinity_ | my computer started with some odd sounds this morning. Not grinding, thnakfully but still I should probably have a look |
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| 17:38.17 | Akuw | avu: then? |
| 17:38.27 | _Trinity_ | sounded ore like a wishing or swooshing sound as if the CD drive was working. Odd |
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| 17:41.56 | Akuw | the line to add is deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main ? |
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| 17:43.01 | Titan8990 | !dmm lenny |
| 17:43.01 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 17:43.21 | Titan8990 | Akuw, yes, not sure if the trailing / matters |
| 17:43.40 | Titan8990 | doubt it since its not using rsync |
| 17:44.02 | Akuw | i use lenny and this show ffmpeg 20080706 |
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| 17:49.26 | remote | is there a right way to run a program as a different user from its init script? |
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| 17:52.27 | _Trinity_ | thanks guys. My hd passed! |
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| 17:53.13 | lazer__ | hello. does anyone knows the problem with cupsaddsmb that cupsaddsmb is only creating the directory WIN40 and not W32X86??? PLZ HLP |
| 17:53.22 | sepski | remote, man start-stop-daemon check out the -c argument |
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| 17:59.14 | farri | I need to use xmlrpc from php, I see there is some XML_RPC development. How can it be installed in a shared host? perhaps pear install ?? |
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| 18:00.19 | gewt | 7B/s |
| 18:00.33 | gewt | I'm thinking ftp2.de.debian.org isn't a mirror I should eb using... |
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| 18:06.05 | Chriz213123 | how small can debian install in for a full cli system |
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| 18:09.52 | Titan8990 | Chris7ma1, approx 200-500mb iirc |
| 18:10.40 | Chriz213123 | Titan8990, what cd's/dvd's would i need? |
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| 18:11.55 | simonrvn | remote: --setuid iirc |
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| 18:12.18 | simonrvn | man it dude ;) |
| 18:12.26 | Tametomo | I think that there was a break in the recent grub2 package. Anyone else unable to boot using grub2? |
| 18:12.36 | kampasky_ | Hi! How can I make apt-get install -t transitive? E.g. I would like apt-get install -t squeeze xserver-xorg-video-ati to pull from squeeze whatever is required, including whole X, uninstalling incompatible drivers, etc. |
| 18:12.41 | Tametomo | Oh, using sid btw |
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| 18:12.58 | linuxguy2009 | Hello does debian 5 support the Broadcom bcm4312 wireless network adapter? |
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| 18:13.59 | cahoot | linuxguy2009: possibly |
| 18:14.37 | Tametomo | Also, I did reboot sometime yesterday, and Grub2 wasn't broken then for me. Just when I got on today. |
| 18:14.41 | cahoot | linuxguy2009: seems to be two different device with the same number - one is supported the other not |
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| 18:15.07 | cahoot | linuxguy2009: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_chip_types |
| 18:15.11 | Tametomo | Seems like it could potentially be a simple error, but I don't see anything wrong with the grub.cfg |
| 18:15.35 | linuxguy2009 | cahoot: I was gonna wipe my Dell Mini 10v here and install it thats why I am asking. Ill check that page. |
| 18:15.51 | Tametomo | Just getting this (/boot is on a ext3 partition, and / on an ext4 one): error: you must load the kernel first |
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| 18:16.33 | cahoot | Tametomo: http://muammar.me/blog/ |
| 18:17.01 | Tametomo | Ah, thanks |
| 18:17.11 | linuxguy2009 | Does the live cd have an install launcher? |
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| 18:19.51 | Titan8990 | linuxguy2009, netinst is usually the recommended way of installing debian |
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| 18:20.48 | Tametomo | There's no manual editing for grub.cfg (well, I can do it, I'm sure), so is there a better way to resolve this (like a patch to /etc/grub.d/10_linux) so that when kernels are reloaded, I don't need to manually attempt to fix it? |
| 18:21.23 | Titan8990 | Tametomo, your not supposed to edit grub.cfg directly |
| 18:21.24 | Tametomo | And if so, is Debian preparing a new version of the package with that (in which case, I can wait for it to get fixed properly) |
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| 18:21.34 | Tametomo | I know. That's why I asked |
| 18:21.39 | Titan8990 | Tametomo, there is another file that is used by update-grub when it repopulated grub.cfg |
| 18:21.42 | Titan8990 | !grub2 |
| 18:21.42 | dpkg | [grub2] GNU GRUB 2 is the successor to GRUB Legacy (i.e. GNU GRUB version 0.9x). In development, little documentation at present. Packaged as grub-pc (PC/BIOS version) and grub-ieee1275 (OpenFirmware version). http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub-2.en.html. Command list comparison: http://grub.enbug.org/CommandList . See also http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition and <grub2 squeeze>. #grub on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:22.58 | Tametomo | Yes, I know. I'm asking about the file that generates that. The blog entry was suggesting just manually fixing grub.cfg, which I could do, but I'd rather do it properly. ;) |
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| 18:23.56 | frog | hi i have just noticed, taht i have neither /etc/asound.conf nor ~/.asoundrc. i have had it. what could be the reason?and my sound is crashing. i can remember i have commented pulseaudio out once, but i duno where. now the sound apps are crashing. amarok doesnt start. and flash in firefox is crashing oft too. |
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| 18:24.57 | Titan8990 | frog, what version of debian? |
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| 18:25.10 | unixSnob | any recommendations for a Chromium-based browser? I heard google's distro of it has some ads or something |
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| 18:25.56 | Titan8990 | unixSnob, no, you can get the proprietary binary for debian or compile the chromium code, ad free |
| 18:26.24 | nvz | ok, as annoying as freenode staff is about giving out cloaks, how the hell did that user get "about/cooking/nakedchef/omelette/Blue-Omega"? |
| 18:26.34 | nvz | that like has nothing to do with anything |
| 18:26.39 | Titan8990 | nvz, donation probably |
| 18:26.48 | unixSnob | Titan8990: thanks |
| 18:27.02 | nvz | proving once again that people will do stupid things for money? |
| 18:27.28 | Titan8990 | nvz, its stupid to support the non-profit organization that runs the irc server that one might spend 8hrs a day on? |
| 18:27.32 | frog | Titan8990: well... its ubuntu, but i got no answer there... |
| 18:27.51 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 18:27.51 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:27.57 | Titan8990 | frog, move along to #ubuntu |
| 18:28.13 | nvz | Titan8990: no you need to learn better reading and comprehension |
| 18:28.25 | frog | as i tld, i already tried there |
| 18:29.03 | Titan8990 | nvz, well, i think you are making the assumption that the person donated to get that name of the cloak, and I am making the assumption that they donated to donate and got that as a bonus |
| 18:29.12 | Titan8990 | !they don't know |
| 18:29.12 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 18:29.19 | Titan8990 | frog, try again |
| 18:29.22 | Tametomo | How about ubuntuforums.org as well? |
| 18:29.36 | frog | ok |
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| 18:30.03 | Tametomo | Heck, you could even try linuxquestions.org too. Might be a bit slower than IRC to get a response, but you still might get help at either place. |
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| 18:30.46 | caoliver | Question: can anyone give a good reason pmount shouldn't have the ability to, at user discretion, request the acl mount flag? |
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| 18:34.33 | orudie_ | how can I obtain a self signed certificate for postfoxi/dovecot ? |
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| 18:36.28 | jelly-hme | !self-signed cert |
| 18:36.28 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; Alternatively, use the make-ssl-cert utility from the ssl-cert package. |
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| 18:36.49 | jelly-hme | orudie_ ^^ |
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| 18:45.07 | mercutio22 | I am getting a message saying my user is not in the sudoers file. Should I add my user to the sudoers file? Where is it located? |
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| 18:45.35 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, if you want to use sudo.... |
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| 18:45.41 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, `visudo` |
| 18:45.44 | orudie_ | jelly-home, so aptitude-install ssl-cert ? |
| 18:46.13 | mercutio22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:46.53 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, are you root? |
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| 18:47.25 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: I just installed debian. I think I am not root yet. |
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| 18:47.55 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, first time using linux? |
| 18:48.36 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: I used ubuntu for 2 years. This is my first time in debian. I can't sudo after installation |
| 18:48.49 | iceroot | mercutio22: debian has a real root |
| 18:48.49 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, `su` gives you root |
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| 18:49.45 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: iceroot : I see, so I do su before altering the system |
| 18:50.03 | iceroot | mercutio22: or put your user in sudoers, then its like ubuntu |
| 18:50.04 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, what does `man su` say? |
| 18:50.31 | ubsafder | o have the hard disk of a debian that won't boot what file should i look to find were it stopped booting ? |
| 18:50.50 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: change user ID or become superuser |
| 18:50.50 | Titan8990 | ubsafder, when does it fail? |
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| 18:51.05 | ubsafder | no idea |
| 18:51.12 | Titan8990 | mercutio22, right, and only the superuser can modify system-wide configuration |
| 18:51.20 | iceroot | ubsafder: /var/log/boot.log or press ctrl + alt + f1 at bootsplash |
| 18:51.24 | Titan8990 | ubsafder, you don't know how far it gets? |
| 18:51.36 | mercutio22 | Titan8990: thanks for claryfing |
| 18:51.45 | ubsafder | that machine is a server with no screen no keyboard |
| 18:51.58 | Titan8990 | ubsafder, AND no console port? |
| 18:52.18 | ubsafder | no |
| 18:52.44 | Titan8990 | ubsafder, boot.log and dmesg |
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| 18:53.06 | ubsafder | can find any /var/log/boot.log |
| 18:53.27 | Titan8990 | is disabled by default iirc |
| 18:53.30 | Titan8990 | check dmesg |
| 18:53.52 | ubsafder | dmesg sounds better now |
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| 18:54.16 | ubsafder | thanks i am back on k trac |
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| 18:54.57 | xamanu | What filesystem would you use on a netbook? ext3, ext2 or ext4 |
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| 18:55.55 | simonrvn | ext2 |
| 18:56.07 | simonrvn | you don't want to keep writing to the ssd |
| 18:56.22 | Titan8990 | or the partition sizes are small |
| 18:56.44 | simonrvn | Titan8990: hm, how would that change things? |
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| 18:57.20 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, honestly not sure the logic behind it but I have always heard you shouldn't use journaling on smaller partitions |
| 18:57.43 | ubsafder | but what log file show the ip address the server would have got while booting ? |
| 18:57.48 | simonrvn | ah, i've never heard of that, though it makes sense. |
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| 18:57.49 | xamanu | does ext2 supports journalling? |
| 18:57.55 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:58.10 | simonrvn | 3 and 4 do |
| 18:58.28 | xamanu | ok thanks simonrvn. so ext2 is more energy efficient |
| 18:58.40 | simonrvn | *that's the point of using ext2* |
| 18:58.54 | xamanu | cool |
| 18:58.55 | simonrvn | simonrvn | you don't want to keep writing to the ssd |
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| 18:59.23 | Titan8990 | ubsafder, your headless server doesn't have a static IP?!? |
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| 18:59.40 | Titan8990 | ubsafder, your router/dhcp server will know what address it got |
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| 18:59.50 | Titan8990 | ubsafder, or even your local machine just looking at ARP |
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| 19:02.33 | jpinx-eeepc | does anyone know if/where I cen get a .deb of the Java Runtime Environment. They only do .rpm's on their download page :/ |
| 19:03.22 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, backports |
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| 19:03.32 | Titan8990 | judd, versions sun-java6-jre |
| 19:03.33 | judd | Titan8990: sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 sid/non-free: 6-10-2 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-16-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1 |
| 19:03.38 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: silly me.... :) |
| 19:03.50 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, oh.. non-free according to judd |
| 19:04.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: yea - it's suns closed source, but it does my financial planning ;) |
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| 19:05.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: I vaguely remember it was a total bitch to get to work some years ago |
| 19:05.59 | simonrvn | a lot easier now |
| 19:06.10 | maligor | there's java-package also |
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| 19:06.41 | simonrvn | yeh, that makes a package for the jdk/jre |
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| 19:07.00 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, yep easy now, just don't forget about update-java-alternatives |
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| 19:08.09 | maligor | then there's the openjdk packages also |
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| 19:09.44 | caoliver | Did anyone note my pmount question, or is there no one up to staking an opinion on this? |
| 19:09.48 | jpinx-eeepc | maligor: not sure if I need that - it's just for JRE to run a commercial/financial package |
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| 19:10.08 | maligor | openjdk just refers to the source |
| 19:10.22 | maligor | you can just install openjdk-6-jre |
| 19:10.33 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: is the update-java-alternatives included in the initial install, or do I do that seperate? |
| 19:10.35 | maligor | it's based on the sun's open releases |
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| 19:11.00 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, separate if you already have an existing java |
| 19:11.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: no - this is a fresh start |
| 19:11.46 | maligor | I've been using the openjdk version myself, but haven't really tried any big commercial sw on it |
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| 19:12.01 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, just check what /usr/bin/java points to after the install |
| 19:12.27 | jpinx-eeepc | maligor: I'd rather use that - and I will try later, but right now I need it to "just work" ;) |
| 19:12.38 | hark | jpinx-eeepc: if you have java installed, you'll have update-java-alternatives |
| 19:12.52 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: I don't |
| 19:12.58 | jpinx-eeepc | have java installed |
| 19:13.19 | ubsafder | before adding /dev/md0p1 /mnt/dataraid/ ext3 errors=remount-ro 0 1 to my fstab how can i check it will reboot ? |
| 19:13.21 | jpinx-eeepc | 10 mins to get the packages :/ |
| 19:13.28 | hark | unless you use j-p or your own |
| 19:14.11 | jpinx-eeepc | hark: it's for JRE on its own |
| 19:14.29 | Akuw | what Control Version system is better to use? |
| 19:14.50 | jelly-home | better than what? |
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| 19:14.54 | hark | jpinx-eeepc: how did you install it? |
| 19:14.55 | ubsafder | or can i change fstab and run a command to will mount as if it was booting |
| 19:15.11 | jelly-home | ubsafder: sure, "mount -a" |
| 19:15.29 | jpinx-eeepc | hark: aptitude install sun-java5-jre |
| 19:16.18 | ubsafder | excelent saved my headless server |
| 19:16.41 | ubsafder | ah thanks all i feelling so much better now |
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| 19:17.42 | hark | jpinx-eeepc: ok, sun-java5-jre depends on java-common which provides update-java-alternatives. but normally you'll never have to use it |
| 19:18.16 | jpinx-eeepc | hark: I have lots of faith in aptitude to sort the depends ;) |
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| 19:19.47 | Innocentus | hi all |
| 19:19.49 | Innocentus | anyone online? |
| 19:19.56 | jpinx-eeepc | no |
| 19:19.59 | jpinx-eeepc | !ask |
| 19:19.59 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 19:20.07 | Titan8990 | !anyone |
| 19:20.07 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:21.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !bot |
| 19:21.15 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:21.46 | Innocentus | I want that my postfix is accepting all aliases and all host-addreses |
| 19:21.55 | Innocentus | how to create an universal wildcard? |
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| 19:22.18 | babilen | Innocentus: Why oh why? |
| 19:22.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Innocentus: ask in #postfix then |
| 19:22.31 | jpinx-eeepc | !topic |
| 19:22.36 | Innocentus | cool |
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| 19:22.50 | caoliver | Ok. Another tack: does anyone here use pmount at all? |
| 19:23.00 | jelly-home | !anyone |
| 19:23.00 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 19:23.03 | jpinx-eeepc | !polls |
| 19:23.03 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 19:23.18 | jelly-home | double whammy! |
| 19:23.22 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
| 19:23.35 | caoliver | I asked the legit question, and was ignored! |
| 19:23.40 | babilen | Innocentus: You are saying "anybody here" and ask about postfix for like the, ... Nth time today? |
| 19:23.59 | jpinx-eeepc | caoliver: that is *not* a genuine question |
| 19:23.59 | simonrvn | Innocentus: #postfix |
| 19:24.01 | caoliver | Am really quite annoyed, as I planned to code this myself, and want opiniopns. |
| 19:24.06 | jelly-home | caoliver: heh, all right |
| 19:24.18 | jpinx-eeepc | caoliver: go to discuss in ##linux |
| 19:24.23 | Titan8990 | caoliver, does pmount have a mailing list? that would be a more appropriate place |
| 19:24.26 | babilen | Innocentus: Let me make this clear: "YES there are a lot of people online" and "NO - this is not the correct channel for postfix" |
| 19:24.49 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: is too kind ;) |
| 19:24.50 | Innocentus | that is great |
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| 19:24.57 | jelly-home | caoliver: a rough unthought idea is they might be a security risk |
| 19:24.59 | caoliver | Ok. I asked, 'cos pmount is of Debian origin, so I figured this would be the best place to field the question. |
| 19:25.23 | caoliver | I figured as much, but I don't see the risk. |
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| 19:25.30 | simonrvn | no, it's not |
| 19:25.39 | jpinx-eeepc | caoliver: this is debian *support* not dev or coding or whatever |
| 19:25.58 | caoliver | Ah! I thought it might be Debian discussion. |
| 19:26.08 | caoliver | I guess I should have lurked harder. |
| 19:26.09 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: ok wise guy, so what _is_ the correct channel? |
| 19:26.21 | jelly-home | caoliver: disregard the newbs |
| 19:26.36 | themill | caoliver: you might like to "/msg dpkg popcon" to find the answer to your question. |
| 19:26.37 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: debian-devel on oftc ottomh |
| 19:26.40 | simonrvn | pmount is not a debian-only package |
| 19:27.27 | jelly-home | there was no hushing up devel work in here beofre the split |
| 19:27.57 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: it'll be on oftc - that seems to be the favoured irc net of devels - and given the problems in the last couple of days I can understand them |
| 19:28.00 | jelly-home | also, there's no rush of legit user support questions at the moment, so why don't you offtopic nazis chill |
| 19:28.32 | jpinx-eeepc | puts his armbands and jackboots on :D |
| 19:28.33 | rgr | jelly-home: well said. |
| 19:29.09 | babilen | hands everyone a nice gin tonic |
| 19:29.24 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: what happens is that someone will join - see a highly technical conversation and be dissuaded from asking some simple aptitude config |
| 19:29.31 | caoliver | Ubiquity. |
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| 19:30.10 | jpinx-eeepc | caoliver: I really do not want to chase you personally - I just don;t want noobs to be put off. |
| 19:30.26 | rgr | jpinx-eeepc: please tell me you are joking. I dont think I ever heard anything so ridiculous in a support channel. |
| 19:30.51 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: oh noes! Poor newb will be frightened by a tech. discussion! NONSENSE. |
| 19:30.56 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr: stick around - you'll learn more about "support" ;) |
| 19:30.58 | rgr | all questions debian related are valid here : not just nOOB questions you feel comfortable with. |
| 19:31.02 | caoliver | Asking a taste/safety question as a devo is asking for support! |
| 19:31.15 | orudie | how can i open a configuration file with nano and specify the line number ? |
| 19:31.20 | Titan8990 | rgr, I wouldn't go that far |
| 19:31.23 | themill | suspects that since all those arguing about what is OT or not are in #debian-offtopic, they could continue the discussion there. |
| 19:31.25 | caoliver | nOOB ::= not out of bounds. :-D |
| 19:31.29 | jelly-home | caoliver: it is a poll of some sort, but at least it's an interesting issue |
| 19:31.33 | rgr | jpinx-eeepc: since I've been a professional programmer for 20 odd years I dont think I need to "stick around" to see how a #irc support channel should be run. Thanks and all tat. |
| 19:31.39 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: :) |
| 19:31.40 | Titan8990 | rgr, packaging questions for example typically belong in #debian-mentor |
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| 19:32.02 | rgr | Titan8990: I think you meant that for jpinx-eeepc. |
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| 19:32.28 | Titan8990 | rgr, no, i was commenting on "all questions debian related are valid here" |
| 19:32.36 | rgr | and they are. |
| 19:32.48 | shingouz | gets the popcorn and enjoys the show |
| 19:32.54 | Titan8990 | so that we can point them to the correct #debian-mentor channel.... |
| 19:32.59 | rgr | no problem with that. |
| 19:33.00 | caoliver | I think I'll hack it up, and send the patch to Vincent F. for commentary. I've no idea how (un)approachable he might be. |
| 19:33.00 | jpinx-eeepc | lets take this to #debian-offtopic guys |
| 19:33.13 | jelly-home | caoliver: pmount does nodev,noexec on hotplugged media, right? And acls can't override that. So having acls giving additional rights isn't much different than setting a file permission |
| 19:33.59 | caoliver | I think. I actually, don't have noexec since that doesn't elevate privs the way suid and dev can. |
| 19:34.08 | rdz | hi all. how can i make grep search _only_ in hidden files? |
| 19:34.16 | rgr | Titan8990: I was commenting on the ridiculous assertion from newly self appointed topicality boss jpinx-eeepc that we should not discuss "hard things" here in case it puts off nOObs. Ridiculous. |
| 19:34.47 | jelly-home | doesn't have hotpluggable media with proper filesystems nearby |
| 19:34.49 | Titan8990 | rdz, grep 'foobar' .* |
| 19:35.17 | rgr | rdz: use shell expansions to only specify . files. e.g "grep -i test .*" |
| 19:35.36 | Titan8990 | rgr, I can agree with that, but don't agree that everything is appropriate here |
| 19:35.37 | caoliver | is installing a new machine from a repo on a stick. |
| 19:35.52 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: if people didn't ask hard questions sometimes, the channel would be quite dull, and I'd replace my presence with a small shell script. |
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| 19:36.09 | rgr | I did not say "everything". I said everything debian related. And then if there is a better groupo by all means reroute them. |
| 19:36.10 | rdz | Titan8990, this obviously matches all the files... |
| 19:36.25 | rdz | Titan8990, also ./foo |
| 19:36.25 | jelly-home | also, OFTC sux0rs |
| 19:36.30 | rgr | rdz: .* or DOT STAR. |
| 19:36.47 | rdz | rgr, as i just said: this matches all files in that directory |
| 19:36.55 | rdz | not only the hidden ones |
| 19:37.08 | jelly-home | rdz: er... it matches _only_ the hidden ones |
| 19:37.17 | rgr | rdz: nonsense. |
| 19:37.21 | rdz | jelly-home, hm.. i try again |
| 19:37.41 | Titan8990 | rdz, I just tested it and it works as intended |
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| 19:37.49 | jelly-home | * .*, or look into your shell's globbing options (eg. zsh has setopt globdots) |
| 19:37.55 | rdz | ok. how can i search hiddden directories as well? |
| 19:37.57 | orudie | i'm in the middle of setting up postfix/dovecot and stuck on this http://dpaste.com/125566/ |
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| 19:38.20 | rdz | rgr, you're right.. you're example matches only hidden files, this way i cannot search hidden directories |
| 19:38.35 | rgr | think about it. .*/* |
| 19:38.47 | rgr | I would think. not tested. |
| 19:38.48 | rdz | rgr, many thanks |
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| 19:39.15 | Titan8990 | rgr, i would though .* would have also covered it |
| 19:39.22 | careta | can anyone please tell me where is the file* object defined in the kernel? |
| 19:39.31 | Titan8990 | rgr, well.. nvm, all the files inside the hidden dir would also have to be hidden |
| 19:39.52 | caoliver | Stdio is a libc thing, bot a kernel thing. |
| 19:39.54 | rgr | Titan8990: why? |
| 19:40.03 | rdz | rgr, '.?*/*' finally did it.. many tanks for the hints |
| 19:40.19 | caoliver | s/bot/not/ |
| 19:40.29 | rgr | rdz: you are usign bash? There is a dedicated #bash channel too fyi. |
| 19:40.39 | Titan8990 | rgr, ah, i see now .ssh/known_hosts would match .* |
| 19:40.53 | rgr | no it wouldn't. |
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| 19:40.59 | darkstego_ | How do I specify installing KDE instead of Gnome using debian's net installer |
| 19:41.16 | Titan8990 | darkstego_, you have to install kde-full after the installation |
| 19:41.22 | xamanu | After installing debian with the installer option to create a encrypted LVM. I can not start after installing. After grub it tells me that "Volume group "debian" not found. unable to find LVM volume debian/root" after that it askes me for a password to unlock the disk. but the password is not the same as the specified one (I'm sure) neither the root password. has anybody a guess what is wrong? |
| 19:41.36 | hark | darkstego_: it's in advanced options in the installer menu |
| 19:41.38 | jelly-home | !tell darkstego_ -about install kde |
| 19:41.49 | rgr | xamanu: you got your password wrong :-) |
| 19:41.57 | jelly-home | darkstego_: note the boot prompt options dpkg told you |
| 19:42.09 | xamanu | rgr no! I tried it like four times. I'm sure that not! |
| 19:42.10 | darkstego_ | hark: where is that option? do I need the graphical installer? |
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| 19:42.28 | rgr | deoes it say "try again" or something? |
| 19:42.29 | xamanu | rgr and it is wierd that it first looks for the LVM and then asks for some password |
| 19:43.14 | darkstego_ | jelly-home: I don't get a boot option in the new installer |
| 19:43.25 | darkstego_ | I am running off usb, not a cd |
| 19:43.30 | xamanu | rgr you are right! sorry!!! I really got my password wrong, because at this time the US-keyboard is loaded and not the local one i'm using |
| 19:43.30 | hark | darkstego_: Advanced Options->Alternative desktop environments |
| 19:43.52 | rgr | xamanu: no its not. It looks for the lvm and discovers its encrypted than needs the correct password. |
| 19:44.27 | darkstego_ | hark: will look for it, I didn't even see advanced options, will try the graphical installer |
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| 19:44.39 | xamanu | rgr ok, that makes sense. i expected that it is specified in the config that it is encrypted. thanks for the help! |
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| 19:44.45 | rgr | xamanu: you would not be the first to suffer layout issues with kbd with debian. Even lenny has bugs on install with layouts as I discovered recently. |
| 19:44.49 | jelly-home | darkstego_: Hm. What hark says then. I'm sure there's a way to set up boot options for syslinux as well, but I know not the way off the top of my head |
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| 19:45.30 | hark | darkstego_: it's the installer boot screen, before you choose either a text or graphical install |
| 19:45.54 | darkstego_ | hark, I don't get a boot screen |
| 19:46.23 | darkstego_ | I run usb into grub2, specify the linux and initrd images and then boot |
| 19:46.24 | hark | darkstego_: then skip tasksel and manually install kde later on |
| 19:47.23 | jelly-home | darkstego_: er... if you have grub, you can specify boot params on the kernel line |
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| 19:48.15 | darkstego_ | jelly-home: ok, I will specify them, I just didn't know if they would still be valid specified there |
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| 19:48.40 | jelly-home | darkstego_: boot params are boot params are... no matter the boot loader |
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| 19:49.40 | jelly-home | darkstego_: how did you make the grub2-powered boot image? |
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| 19:57.45 | mkverc | I used the word "Debian" in the account name for a site ... is it a problem related to copyright or something related? |
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| 19:59.00 | venger | need suggestion alternative to gtkterm and minicom serial console |
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| 20:02.49 | Akuw | what Control Version system is better to use? |
| 20:03.04 | jmarsden | venger: picocom |
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| 20:03.35 | jamesho | Just installed exim4 on Lenny and trying to setup tls. Testing with swaks gives and error. I've googled and not been able to find any solution to this. |
| 20:03.37 | jamesho | The error code is: <- 250-SIZE 52428800 <- 250-PIPELINING <- 250-STARTTLS <- 250 HELP -> STARTTLS *** Remote host closed connection unexpectedly. |
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| 20:05.12 | babilen | Akuw: What are your candidates? |
| 20:05.16 | jmarsden | Akuw: Whichever one you already know will be the easiest for you to use :) If you are starting a new project from scratch, try bzr |
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| 20:05.37 | jelly-home | jamesho: inspect exim4 log files for errors |
| 20:05.42 | Offx2 | hi all |
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| 20:06.03 | jelly-home | jamesho: somewhere in the vicinity of /var/log/exim4/mainlog |
| 20:06.34 | zor2 | what is the command in debian Lenny for the iostat?? |
| 20:06.35 | babilen | Akuw: No! Try mercurial... or darcs, or git ..... or cvs |
| 20:06.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: after installing JRE and restarting the browser - what else do I need to do to get it running? |
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| 20:09.15 | radoe | zor2: surprisingly it's called iostat. |
| 20:09.22 | mercutio22 | I just borked my system trying to get nvidia and compiz fusion. Can I get some help restoring my xorg.conf and then installing the nvidia drivers? |
| 20:09.51 | mercutio22 | How do I change tty in debian? |
| 20:10.02 | rgr | c-alt-f1 etc |
| 20:10.05 | babilen | mercutio22: Please elaborate on "borked". What did you do? What does not work? |
| 20:10.22 | mercutio22 | rgr: weird... its doing it |
| 20:10.23 | radoe | zor2: just install sysstat, it's contained in this package. |
| 20:10.38 | mercutio22 | babilen: I get a blank screen when gnome is launched |
| 20:11.04 | rgr | mercutio22: you mean the login screen? |
| 20:11.13 | mercutio22 | babilen: I will reboot on single user mode |
| 20:11.14 | rgr | (gdm) |
| 20:11.24 | babilen | mercutio22: Does the login manager come up without problems? |
| 20:11.31 | jamesho | jelly-home: noting bad enters the log when re running swaks. |
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| 20:11.35 | mercutio22 | rdr yeah, no gnome. Just a black screen |
| 20:12.00 | venger | mercutio22, /etc/init.d/gdm stop && lsmod | grep nvidia |
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| 20:12.04 | mercutio22 | babilen: no. I get no login manager |
| 20:12.10 | antgel | yo all. does anyone know the meaning of errors in http://pastebin.ca/1688557? it's tempting to say "disk fail" but the disk is pretty new, and i can't find much concrete info out there |
| 20:12.48 | mercutio22 | venger: I can't type anywhere as I have a black screen, ctrl +1, 2, 3 wont give me another tty |
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| 20:13.38 | mercutio22 | ok... I rebooted and I am now logged in as root in the command prompt |
| 20:14.15 | rgr | ctrl+alt+# |
| 20:14.21 | jelly-home | jamesho: No ideas then, I'm not versed in exim |
| 20:14.23 | rgr | f1-f9 |
| 20:14.35 | venger | mercutio22, did the nvidia module load or not |
| 20:14.43 | jamesho | jelly-home: thanks for the help |
| 20:14.52 | rgr | sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:14.57 | jelly-home | jamesho: there is an #exim |
| 20:15.00 | venger | mercutio22, i'm assuming you installed the binary package |
| 20:15.24 | jamesho | jelly-home: I've tried there but there is no activity there. |
| 20:15.36 | mercutio22 | venger: I guess not. No output from your command |
| 20:15.49 | mercutio22 | venger: yes, from synaptic |
| 20:15.50 | Gm4n | I've installed bind9 on my debian box, which seems to use both tcp and udp 53. Can I firewall off tcp 53, or is that needed? |
| 20:16.03 | mercutio22 | venger: no... from module assistant |
| 20:16.20 | rgr | mercutio22: did you run nvidia-xconfig? |
| 20:16.27 | mercutio22 | venger: yes |
| 20:16.31 | mercutio22 | rgr: yes |
| 20:16.33 | mercutio22 | ops |
| 20:16.43 | rgr | paste you xorg.conf |
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| 20:17.20 | mercutio22 | rgr: I am afraid I have no connection on the problematic machine |
| 20:17.30 | mercutio22 | rgr.. let me see what I can do |
| 20:17.37 | rgr | mercutio22: did yout sudo insmode nvidia? |
| 20:18.06 | mercutio22 | rgr: I don't recall doing that no |
| 20:18.19 | rgr | finds it amazing that nvidia insallation is still such a problem. And it IS a problem. |
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| 20:18.33 | mercutio22 | rgr: I think its safe to assume the nvidia driver is not installed correctly |
| 20:18.38 | rgr | I cant remember if you need to or not but dount it would harm. |
| 20:18.57 | rgr | mercutio22: and you are sure you have correct settings in your xorg.conf? |
| 20:19.08 | rgr | if you used m-a a-i nvidia it should be ok. |
| 20:19.21 | rgr | hang on : are you on testing? |
| 20:19.35 | mercutio22 | rgr I will do it again hang on |
| 20:19.47 | Gm4n | is the ATI install easier? I'm planning to make a lenny media center soon. |
| 20:19.53 | rgr | Gm4n: no. |
| 20:19.56 | mercutio22 | ok... already installed, skipping... |
| 20:20.07 | mercutio22 | rgr what should I do after that? |
| 20:20.09 | rgr | xorg.conf - did you check it? |
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| 20:20.20 | mercutio22 | rgr just a sec |
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| 20:20.27 | rgr | nvidia device line? |
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| 20:20.59 | jelly-home | Gm4n: it depends on what you use your bind9 for, but in general, it's needed for larger responses. |
| 20:21.01 | mercutio22 | rgr: positive. section device lists nvidia |
| 20:21.06 | Gm4n | thanks, jelly-home =) |
| 20:21.15 | eptalon | hello all; If I have a XOrg session running, doing nothing, what is written to disk logs? (is there anything?) |
| 20:21.36 | mercutio22 | rgr: anything else I should ensure? |
| 20:21.43 | Gm4n | eptalon: at a guess, I'd say startup messages |
| 20:21.56 | orudie | i just installed postfox / dovecot how can I check if its working ? |
| 20:22.11 | mercutio22 | rgr insmod nvidia returns "can't read nvidia" |
| 20:22.17 | venger | mercutio22, modprobe nvidia && lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 20:22.18 | eptalon | Gm4n: 69 open files... |
| 20:23.09 | mercutio22 | venger: alright.. it seems the module is loaded now |
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| 20:23.12 | rgr | does lsmod not use stdio? |
| 20:23.34 | eoliva_ | I need a help with alsa, I installed Debian on my notebook and it found 2 cards, a pcsp and a intel card...I created a asound.conf in /etc to point to the second card as default...and my sound works very well. But when I set the channel volumes and then save, it does not restores after the boot, why?? |
| 20:23.44 | venger | mercutio22, /etc/init.d/gdm/restart |
| 20:23.46 | rgr | try "sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start" from the command line and then check your xorg log. |
| 20:23.59 | venger | mercutio22, * /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 20:25.12 | rgr | eoliva_: what did you use to adjust the volumes? alsa-mixer is buggy as hell. gnome-alsamixer even worse IMO. |
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| 20:25.47 | mercutio22 | venger: just a sec I issued "gdm" and got a black screen |
| 20:25.59 | eoliva_ | rgr, I'm using alsamixer....it it buggy?? So I'm gonna install gnome-alsamixer... |
| 20:26.02 | prince_jammys | ealdor: try ''alsactl store'' |
| 20:26.19 | jelly-home | rgr: how do you detect alsamixer as buggy? |
| 20:26.27 | prince_jammys | or look alsactl up |
| 20:26.59 | rgr | jelly-home: wouldnt stick my channels. 2 card scenarion. The gnome one doesnt work properly with mute on SOME channels. Strange behaviour. |
| 20:27.03 | venger | mercutio22, somehow you need to pastebin your xorg.conf if you altered anything by hand |
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| 20:27.20 | mercutio22 | venger: I didn't |
| 20:27.30 | rgr | mercutio22: log file. |
| 20:27.42 | prince_jammys | see /var/log/Xorg.0.log for clues. |
| 20:27.57 | mercutio22 | ok... just a sec |
| 20:28.20 | venger | mercutio22, you could do rgr's reconfigure suggestion and get a network connection working :) |
| 20:28.54 | mercutio22 | venger: sorry, I missed that can you paste that again? |
| 20:29.35 | venger | <rgr> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:29.51 | rgr | but read the log first. |
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| 20:30.25 | rgr | there are bugs (!) in nvidia-xoncifg too which can cause your localisation x settings for kbd etc to get wiped. At least in lenny. |
| 20:30.41 | rgr | xconfig ... |
| 20:30.48 | mercutio22 | ok... I found an error in the log: NVIDIA: No matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:4:0:0) found |
| 20:31.41 | mercutio22 | This pc has a SLI device |
| 20:31.55 | rgr | you have two video cards by any chance? |
| 20:32.04 | rgr | turn off your onboard one if you have one. |
| 20:32.09 | rgr | brb |
| 20:32.10 | mercutio22 | so there are two BusIDs PCI:4:0:0 and 3:0:0 I guess |
| 20:32.20 | mercutio22 | rgr: I dont |
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| 20:33.11 | prince_jammys | see man xorg.conf for the name of the BusID setting that goes in section Device. (it may be just ''BusID''), and specify it in xorg.conf. |
| 20:33.34 | mercutio22 | ok... I will get a flashdrive and post my xorg.conf |
| 20:33.57 | venger | mercutio22, get the while Xorg.0.log too |
| 20:34.08 | prince_jammys | it is ''BusID''. man xorg.conf: ''For PCI/AGP cards, the bus-id string has the form PCI:bus:device:function'' |
| 20:34.12 | venger | c/while/whole/ |
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| 20:34.37 | Gm4n | with iptables, is there any reason to change the policy for the OUTPUT chain to anything besides accept? I understand why drop is a good idea for input, but the example I'm looking at also changes defualts for output and forward. |
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| 20:34.41 | prince_jammys | mercutio22: so try that in the file, under Section Device |
| 20:34.54 | aeg | Hi i installed vnc4server .. but that gives me a plain (x11 ??) desktop .. what should i do to get more or full desktop env ? |
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| 20:35.56 | mercutio22 | prince_jammys: ok... just a sec |
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| 20:37.42 | prince_jammys | mercutio22: i may be wrong. i get a warning like that for a newer card I got recently, and Xorg still starts. |
| 20:38.01 | prince_jammys | (by "newer" I mean "not prehistoric") |
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| 20:41.52 | mercutio22 | alright! xorg.conf http://debian.pastebin.com/m7577d60 |
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| 20:42.58 | mercutio22 | Xorg.0.log http://debian.pastebin.com/d6a0e3bf4 |
| 20:43.31 | mercutio22 | prince_jammys: so how exactly should I insert the busid info? |
| 20:44.39 | babilen | Gm4n: You might not drop all connection attempts from programs that you don't know about.. You might want to log them, or do whatever it is... |
| 20:44.57 | prince_jammys | mercutio22: BusID "PCI:1:0:0" ,for example, inside Section Device |
| 20:44.57 | Gm4n | that makes sense, thanks babilen :) |
| 20:44.58 | babilen | Gm4n: s/might not drop/might want to/ |
| 20:45.23 | mercutio22 | prince_jammys: thanks |
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| 20:46.38 | mercutio22 | prince_jammys: I am afraid it is still black |
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| 20:47.41 | mercutio22 | prince_jammys: I wonder why I can't even chance tty |
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| 20:49.09 | prince_jammys | beats me. I've experienced this myself. |
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| 20:50.31 | prince_jammys | you may pastebin xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if someone here has a clue, else hit the internet forums/bug reports, etc. |
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| 20:52.33 | nixluv | hii all |
| 20:52.45 | nixluv | happy turkey day! lol |
| 20:52.50 | dclarke | question : is there sufficient software on the businesscard.iso image to allow for full installation later ? |
| 20:52.52 | mercutio22 | prince_jammys: I pasted it already. =] |
| 20:53.11 | prince_jammys | mercutio22: oh, missed it. i see it now. |
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| 20:54.15 | nixluv | ??? if I have the minstall debian cd and install without the net, could I come back later an chroot into the partition and install the rest? |
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| 20:59.34 | rgr | mercutio22: back. Any luck? |
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| 21:00.15 | mercutio22 | rgb: I posted the logs. I still have a black screen. |
| 21:00.27 | ceguinho | tuv |
| 21:00.31 | ceguinho | j |
| 21:00.34 | rgr | pasted "exampleres setting" at http://paste2.org/p/533882 |
| 21:00.41 | rgr | your xorg sectins match. COnsider removing the freqs for the monitor and add a default resolution e.g see paste |
| 21:00.51 | ceguinho | fim |
| 21:01.02 | nixluv | ??? if I have the minstall debian cd and install without the net, could I come back later an chroot into the partition and install the rest? |
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| 21:01.37 | mercutio22 | rgr: thanks that seems promissing |
| 21:01.40 | sshc | I'm installing opera, but aptitude fails with "update-alternatives: error: alternative link /usr/bin/x-www-browser is already managed by x-www-browser." |
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| 21:01.45 | babilen | nixluv: What is the 'minstall' cd? netinstall? |
| 21:01.52 | rgr | that goes into the screen section btw |
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| 21:02.08 | nixluv | babilen, yes, sorry |
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| 21:02.59 | rgr | mercutio22: dont worry you're not alone. jesus, in U****U thes still haven't worked out to put gksudo on the nvidia-settings menu entry so people cant save their settings! |
| 21:03.12 | babilen | nixluv: netinstall needs a working internet connection to install the base system |
| 21:03.15 | rgr | also did you install nvidia-settings? If not, do so. |
| 21:03.16 | nixluv | babilen, does the netinstall install apt and dpkg w/o internet? |
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| 21:03.56 | babilen | nixluv: No, you can't use the netinstall iso for installation w/o internet access |
| 21:05.19 | mercutio22 | rgr: dang... that was not sufficient |
| 21:05.29 | nixluv | babilen, if I dont have net at the time, it will install a base system.. cant i come back later and finish the rest with chroot from another distro? |
| 21:05.30 | rgr | black screen? |
| 21:05.34 | mercutio22 | yeah.. I installed nvidia-settings |
| 21:05.39 | mercutio22 | rgr: yep |
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| 21:05.54 | rgr | and the log? |
| 21:06.01 | rgr | Ctl-alt-f1 to switch to terminal |
| 21:06.02 | mercutio22 | rgr: I am clueless now |
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| 21:06.18 | rgr | mercutio22: stick with it. Its a joke I know, but you'll get there. |
| 21:06.21 | mercutio22 | rgr: I can't do that for some reason. |
| 21:06.47 | rgr | ok then maybe you CAN but the monitor is hosed. |
| 21:06.48 | mercutio22 | rgr: the screen is still black in spite of my effort |
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| 21:07.15 | rgr | dpms setting settng for monitor? You see the boot sequence scroll by at start up ok? |
| 21:07.47 | rgr | pasted "my monitor settings" at http://paste2.org/p/533885 |
| 21:07.49 | mercutio22 | rgr: no.. I can see the boot characters and all. I can boot in safe mode and type |
| 21:08.33 | nixluv | babilen, *livecd w/net |
| 21:08.49 | rgr | when i say hosed I mean that X is setting the wrong mode and its freezing. |
| 21:08.54 | babilen | nixluv: hang on - telephone |
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| 21:11.49 | babilen | nixluv? |
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| 21:19.55 | jpinx-eeepc | I did aptitude install sun-java5-jre and it has not thrown any errors, and I've restarted the browser and cleared the history, but still it doesn't fire up - any more clues anyone please? |
| 21:20.41 | rgr | you ran update-java-alternatives ? |
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| 21:22.58 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr: that seems to refuse to run - just gives me the options even when I give it --jre |
| 21:23.10 | hark | jpinx-eeepc: you need the plugin |
| 21:23.13 | rgr | what doesn't run? |
| 21:23.36 | rgr | (sudo) |
| 21:24.31 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr as root :~update-java-alternatives --jre |
| 21:24.48 | rgr | what doesn't run mean? It doesnt know the command or what? |
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| 21:24.51 | jpinx-eeepc | hark: plug in to ffx? |
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| 21:25.02 | theneb_ | Is there a single command that can determine partition type? |
| 21:25.19 | hark | jpinx-eeepc: sun-java5-plugin |
| 21:25.19 | rgr | update-alternatives --config java |
| 21:25.20 | jpinx-eeepc | theneb_: fdisk -l shows most |
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| 21:25.31 | rgr | what does that do? |
| 21:25.59 | hark | don't use update-alternatives... |
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| 21:26.22 | theneb_ | jpinx-eeepc: Yeah, I'm sure there's a single command to do it. |
| 21:26.36 | rgr | hark: I wanted to see if it lists the java. |
| 21:26.39 | jpinx-eeepc | hark: a little more clue please? |
| 21:26.54 | hark | jpinx-eeepc: install it. it's a package |
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| 21:27.07 | rgr | sudo aptitude install sun-java5-plugin |
| 21:27.12 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr (/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun/jre/bin/java). Nothing to configure. |
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| 21:27.23 | rgr | its probably as hark says. |
| 21:27.27 | theneb_ | Ah, Using file -l is what I was looking for |
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| 21:27.57 | hark | jpinx-eeepc: you're using a wrong option to update-java-alternatives anyway |
| 21:28.14 | hark | !update-java-alternatives |
| 21:28.15 | dpkg | Rather than using update-alternatives (or galternatives) to set each individual alternative for java (and there are lots of them!), use update-java-alternatives. To see a list of the valid java alternatives, use "update-java-alternatives --list". To select the sun-java6 java runtime environment, "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun". |
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| 21:28.55 | jpinx-eeepc | good ol' dpkg -- thanks hark :) |
| 21:29.01 | hark | jpinx-eeepc: but all you have to do install sun-java5-plugin |
| 21:29.12 | jpinx-eeepc | it's installing now |
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| 21:30.03 | rgr | hark: I already pointed him to update-java-alternatives above. |
| 21:30.06 | jpinx-eeepc | but now I get "update-java-alternatives --set java-6-sun |
| 21:30.06 | jpinx-eeepc | update-java-alternatives: directory does not exist: /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun |
| 21:30.22 | rgr | 6? |
| 21:30.24 | hark | jpinx-eeepc: 5 :) |
| 21:30.38 | jelly-home | 4 |
| 21:30.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Ah - ok - typo in dpkg;) |
| 21:30.57 | rgr | zero |
| 21:30.57 | jpinx-eeepc | someone like to edit that factoid? |
| 21:31.06 | jelly-home | yes, you |
| 21:31.14 | rgr | nothing to change. |
| 21:31.15 | hark | it's not a typo! |
| 21:31.27 | jpinx-eeepc | there's no 5 either~ |
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| 21:31.57 | hark | jpinx-eeepc: see using --list and set that |
| 21:31.58 | surfzoid | Hi i have wrote two GUI software and build them through OpenSuse Build Service : http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/surfzoid:/DebianUbuntu/ in ubuntu synaptic, we can have an screenshot of selected package, but ubuntu guy say , the screenshot come from debian server, it is true ? how i need to proceed to have them ? |
| 21:32.00 | Agiofws | hello |
| 21:32.07 | surfzoid | :-) |
| 21:32.20 | Agiofws | is there a way to fix my frame buffer with out rebooting ? |
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| 21:34.13 | surfzoid | Agiofws: Nvidia ? |
| 21:34.32 | Agiofws | surfzoid, ati |
| 21:34.34 | Agiofws | fglrx |
| 21:34.37 | surfzoid | xrandr ? |
| 21:34.43 | Agiofws | dunno |
| 21:34.45 | Agiofws | can i |
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| 21:35.13 | surfzoid | aindilis: i don't remember, but proprietary driver don't provide an control center ? |
| 21:35.35 | surfzoid | oups sorry aindilis i mean Agiofws |
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| 21:36.59 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr hark cool - JRE running now - thanks a lot:) |
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| 21:41.22 | [jasper] | hej guys, what's optimal striping size? |
| 21:41.27 | [jasper] | 16 kb, 64 or 256? |
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| 21:44.12 | jelly-home | optimal for what? |
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| 21:44.56 | jelly-home | if there was a universally optimal setting, the others wouldn't exist |
| 21:45.21 | xxtjaxx | hi everyone very stupid stupid question anyone knows if cron still works in suspend/standby/hibernate?? |
| 21:45.28 | [jasper] | jelly-home database / webserver |
| 21:45.31 | jelly-home | xxtjaxx: it doesn't |
| 21:45.43 | xxtjaxx | hmm... |
| 21:45.56 | jelly-home | [jasper]: which database? What's its block size? |
| 21:46.17 | xj24 | i have a problem with grub2. after installing it earlier, i verified that it'd boot properly, which it did. then i ran update-from-grub-legacy, which showed no errors. however now i just have a blank screen with grub 1.97, no menu entries, nothing. how can i fix this? |
| 21:47.12 | dclarke | question .. what options do I need to pass to "boot cd" in order for the debian business-card CDROM image to boot ? do I need to specify root=/dev/foo or console=ttya ? or ? |
| 21:47.15 | jelly-home | [jasper]: consider what your typical I/O request size is going to be, then try to fit it best to (stripe size * effective number of spindles) |
| 21:48.19 | [jasper] | jelly-home it's a mysql database and webserver with typical files of 300 kb... |
| 21:48.23 | [jasper] | images etc |
| 21:48.27 | [jasper] | but mysql is quite small right? |
| 21:48.38 | Agiofws | what device does debian use as the framebuffer ? |
| 21:49.12 | jelly-home | [jasper]: hum. I'd say, use the default whatever it is |
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| 21:52.13 | rgr | mercutio22: well? |
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| 21:53.39 | mercutio22 | rgr: I can't do it |
| 21:54.11 | mercutio22 | rgr: its something to do with my hardware. Ubuntu could do it, but debian guides are incompatible |
| 21:54.12 | jelly-home | Agiofws: why are you asking that? |
| 21:54.23 | mercutio22 | rgr: I am not sure why |
| 21:54.55 | Agiofws | cause i need to fix and chnage it with out rebooting |
| 21:55.02 | mercutio22 | rgr: I suspect its the SLI(two GPUs in one setup. |
| 21:55.16 | jelly-home | Agiofws: fix what? |
| 21:55.39 | dclarke | okay .. let me try this agian. Hello? Does any one know what the bootable file is on the Debian 5.0.3 install CD images ? Is it yaboot or something like that ? |
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| 21:56.05 | Agiofws | the framebuffer |
| 21:56.10 | Agiofws | its all dots |
| 21:56.36 | jelly-home | Agiofws: at this point you likely can't fix it |
| 21:56.45 | qwd | I tried to install Debian Lenny i386 on VirtualBox (which is running under Debian Squeeze AMD64) last night and it just stopped during installation when it said "man-db", I think I had the same problem last time I tried this. Any ideas? |
| 21:57.00 | Agiofws | why is it messed up ? |
| 21:57.03 | jelly-home | Agiofws: this often happens with buggy X drivers |
| 21:57.25 | Agiofws | nah .. it happend when i log into X |
| 21:57.28 | Agiofws | log out |
| 21:57.32 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 21:57.33 | jelly-home | Agiofws: is "buggy drivers" not an acceptable drivers? |
| 21:57.34 | Agiofws | and then try to s2ram |
| 21:57.37 | jelly-home | answer* |
| 21:57.44 | Agiofws | if i dont log into x |
| 21:57.49 | Agiofws | s2ram works fine |
| 21:57.55 | Agiofws | its shitty though |
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| 21:58.18 | jelly-home | Agiofws: and if you switch to console before doing s2ram? |
| 21:58.32 | Agiofws | why should i ? |
| 21:59.17 | jelly-home | Agiofws: to work around the buggy X drivers and suspend interaction. |
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| 21:59.48 | dclarke | ping. |
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| 22:00.28 | jelly-home | no reply from host. |
| 22:00.47 | Agiofws | i told you i logout of X |
| 22:00.56 | Agiofws | and then run s2ram |
| 22:01.07 | Agiofws | it wont work in X either |
| 22:01.25 | gusto | yes |
| 22:01.30 | zor2 | exit |
| 22:01.35 | gusto | what graphics card do you have? |
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| 22:01.49 | Agiofws | ati 2600hd |
| 22:01.53 | Agiofws | fglrx driver |
| 22:01.58 | gusto | aha |
| 22:02.00 | gusto | catalyst |
| 22:02.07 | gusto | i didnt try it |
| 22:02.10 | Agiofws | s2ram works only if vga=0 in boot options |
| 22:02.19 | Agiofws | cata shitty |
| 22:02.21 | gusto | maybe you should enable the acpi |
| 22:08.58 | gusto | catalyst has maybe acpi disabled |
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| 22:08.59 | Agiofws | i have it disabled in boot options |
| 22:09.00 | gusto | you have to enable acpi when you want to suspend to ram |
| 22:09.00 | gusto | but however, what you have enabled or disabled in catalyst matters for the graphics driver |
| 22:09.00 | Agiofws | i read somewhere its the other way around |
| 22:09.00 | Agiofws | noacpic in grub |
| 22:09.01 | dclarke | let me try this .. one last time : Is this the wrong forum to be in to talk about booting a PowerPC machine ? |
| 22:09.01 | jelly-home | Agiofws: suspend is often problematic, especially with nonfree drivers. At least you've disabled one source issues that is the framebuffer console. |
| 22:09.01 | nkuttler | dclarke: there's #debian-ppc on oftc afaik |
| 22:09.01 | [jasper] | hej guys, getting message during install: PCI: failed to allocate mem resource #9 |
| 22:09.01 | [jasper] | any clue? |
| 22:09.01 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:09.02 | jelly-home | there's an "of" and a comma missing in there |
| 22:09.02 | jelly-home | Agiofws: you said you use vga=0 which, I suspect, disables the frambuffer console |
| 22:09.02 | Agiofws | yeah then s2ram works |
| 22:09.03 | jelly-home | Agiofws: you might have better luck with s2disk. |
| 22:09.03 | Agiofws | but only in console mode |
| 22:09.03 | Agiofws | ok ok i will try |
| 22:09.03 | dclarke | nkuttler: thank you .. I guess I'll leave here and goto #debianppc |
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| 22:09.03 | jelly-home | Agiofws: also, \use free drivers if you can |
| 22:09.07 | Agiofws | nah |
| 22:09.12 | Agiofws | no 3d ... |
| 22:09.14 | Agiofws | then |
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| 22:10.05 | jelly-home | !enter |
| 22:10.05 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
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| 22:11.38 | [jasper] | jelly-home I'm getting the message during install: PCI: failed to allocate mem resource #9 |
| 22:11.40 | [jasper] | is this harmfull? |
| 22:11.43 | Shadur | is really close to kicking gnome-volume-manager in the fricking nuts for repeatedly insisting to mute all volumes. |
| 22:12.36 | shattered | pkill -9 them all |
| 22:12.42 | shattered | let god sort them out :) |
| 22:13.16 | qwd | Debian Squeeze AMD64 with gnome-desktop-environment, something just happened with gnome(?). My clearlooks theme seems to have went away and everything looks grey an... non-themed? any idea what it could be and how to solve it? |
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| 22:15.50 | qwd | When I go to my appearance settings I get this message: Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'. Without the GNOME settings manager running, some preferences may not take effect. This could indicate a problem with Bonobo, or a non-GNOME (e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with the GNOME settings manager |
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| 22:17.40 | qwd | I'll just try a reboot :) |
| 22:17.48 | p_masho | help!.. Got a bit of a problem on my online machine (newbie kinda). I URGENTLY need to reboot but disable the tomcat and svnserv services.. |
| 22:18.26 | p_masho | is there a quick way to stop them starting... urgently (realised out of disk space and a mount problem) |
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| 22:19.49 | jelly-home | p_masho: rename their /etc/rc2.d/S**servicename symlinks to something not starting with S |
| 22:20.15 | jelly-home | p_masho: I usually do mv /etc/rc2.d/S20foo /etc/rc2.d/s20foo |
| 22:20.37 | jelly-home | a causal ls -l /etc/rc?.d/s* shows manually disabled services later |
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| 22:23.44 | p_masho | jelly-home: is >> mv S20svnserve _S20svnserve << ok ? |
| 22:23.59 | jelly-home | p_masho: sure |
| 22:24.11 | p_masho | OK rebooting.. wish me luck |
| 22:24.14 | jelly-home | (I haven't tried underscores actually) |
| 22:24.21 | elli222 | Hi, apt-get update returns an error: unable to find expected entry. im using ftp.uk.debian.org (on sid) |
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| 22:24.29 | Roland- | hey is there a way to merge 2 betwork cards with one ip so I can have 2x1Gb ? |
| 22:24.38 | jelly-home | !bonding |
| 22:24.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, bonding is configuring two NICs with same IP address, increasing throughput and providing failover. For setup instructions, see http://wiki.debian.org/Bonding . See also Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the Linux kernel source. Older information at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/350 |
| 22:24.57 | jelly-home | Roland-: if the switch they're both connected to supports it, yes |
| 22:25.21 | Roland- | where can i find some docs about it? |
| 22:25.45 | p_masho | Roland-: sorry.. read it as >> is there a way merge 2 Bendtwork cards together << |
| 22:26.07 | jelly-home | read what dpkg just said, Roland- |
| 22:26.32 | p_masho | anyone gimme some advice.. Got me own "root" server online, but kinda got stuck.. |
| 22:26.52 | elli222 | ... |
| 22:27.11 | p_masho | problem I have is that the mail/ directory, and the mail log gets fuull up and the system stop as there is no disk space left im a partition |
| 22:27.24 | themill | elli222: try pastebinning your sources.list so that someone can check them. |
| 22:27.36 | themill | (not that someone using sid should need their sources.list checked....) |
| 22:27.51 | p_masho | So cant I jsut create a mail_log as an user and point the maile log there ? |
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| 22:28.14 | elli222 | its pretty much empty, apart from 2 lines. |
| 22:28.20 | [jasper] | guys, what is the optimal swap disk size? |
| 22:28.23 | [jasper] | with 8 gb of memory? |
| 22:28.34 | elli222 | jasper: double your system memory |
| 22:28.39 | jelly-home | [jasper]: not more than 4GB |
| 22:28.47 | jelly-home | elli222: that's pretty much useless |
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| 22:28.57 | [jasper] | why jelly-home... |
| 22:29.03 | [jasper] | always learned it's double memory size |
| 22:29.43 | elli222 | jelly-home, its usually good to have double swap. although with 8GB, i don't see you running into swap :P |
| 22:29.48 | jelly-home | [jasper]: because if a machine pages out 4GB, it's going to be faster to just reboot it than to wait for OOM to kick in and the machine to become responsive again |
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| 22:30.08 | elli222 | uh, i meant that to jasper, srry |
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| 22:30.14 | jelly-home | elli222: it's completely unneeded and an old tale |
| 22:30.32 | EagleRock | \ |
| 22:30.43 | EagleRock | oops, sry |
| 22:31.11 | elli222 | funnily enough the debian installer gave me 3 times the amount of memory. |
| 22:31.23 | [jasper] | jelly-home is it better to put swap on ending instead of beginning..due to faster rotation of disk? |
| 22:31.28 | rgr | for a server its genrally set to 2 gig. No point really in making it more. less than 2 gig of ram then swap==size of ram. |
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| 22:32.00 | jelly-home | elli222: [jasper]'s mysql/web serving workload doesn't need and can't really use 16GB swap |
| 22:32.01 | rgr | [jasper]: you can also use a swap file with equivalent performance now. |
| 22:33.01 | jelly-home | [jasper]: have you benchmarked disks lately? _all_ the devices are faster at the beginning, then slow down |
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| 22:34.00 | elli222 | this pretty much concludes my sources.list (and the corrosponding deb-src line) deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib nonfree |
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| 22:34.52 | elli222 | the rest is commented out. |
| 22:35.12 | themill | elli222: and there's a mistake in that line.... |
| 22:35.23 | elli222 | O_o, really? |
| 22:36.17 | elli222 | (i don't edit sources.list alot, really - but is the mistake that i have to have those on seperate lines?) |
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| 22:36.47 | themill | elli222: no, you have made up a new archive area "nonfree" that doesn't exist in debian. |
| 22:36.55 | tuv | so what's the recommended swap size for a 4GB+ desktop/laptop (accounting for hibernate support)? |
| 22:37.58 | elli222 | themill: don't tell me. Its non-free isn't it? |
| 22:38.04 | themill | yes |
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| 22:38.36 | elli222 | bah i keep forgetting that xD |
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| 22:39.25 | themill | makes elli222 memorise "man 5 sources.list" and §2.2.3 of policy. |
| 22:41.17 | elli222 | nonfree/non-free. seems like an easy mistake to me D: |
| 22:44.03 | p_masho | jelly-home: ta .. phew .. |
| 22:44.13 | [jasper] | guys, my debian install saw my network devices....I set them up...with ip etc... |
| 22:44.22 | [jasper] | but now it can't find the mirror |
| 22:44.30 | [jasper] | I want to console...how can i see if network card works? |
| 22:44.40 | [jasper] | I don't see a /etc/network/interfaces .. |
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| 22:47.25 | [jasper] | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.46 | mwarning | Hi. can anyone recommend a gui tool to manage sound devices? |
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| 22:50.19 | mercutio22 | can someone help me figure out why I can't load gdm after installing the nvidia drivers? http://debian.pastebin.com/d2d55a76d |
| 22:50.24 | elli222 | Hmm, how would i go about setting up DKMS with the nvidia kernel module? |
| 22:50.40 | mercutio22 | elli222: thats would solve my problems as well |
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| 22:52.15 | elli222 | mercutio, i don't think it would |
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| 22:52.41 | elli222 | im asking about DKMS - thats Dynamic Kernel Module system or smth |
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| 22:52.53 | elli222 | i can build the drivers fine |
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| 22:54.36 | Quibus | hi, how do I remove the 'gnome' package without getting all the dependencies auto-removed as well? |
| 22:54.59 | jelly-home | elli222: the old way was using m-a ... I'm not sure all the kernel-module-source packages are dkms ready at this point |
| 22:55.06 | jelly-home | also, |
| 22:55.09 | jelly-home | !nvidia |
| 22:55.09 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 22:55.36 | rgr | mercutio22: btw what debian are you using? |
| 22:56.09 | elli222 | so, no nvidia DKMS yet? *sniff* - mercutio22: sid |
| 22:56.12 | mercutio22 | rgr: leeny |
| 22:56.23 | rgr | then you need to use the squeeze install method |
| 22:56.28 | mercutio22 | uname -a |
| 22:56.34 | rgr | sorry misread |
| 22:56.41 | elli222 | dosen't like using ircii |
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| 22:57.25 | mercutio22 | rgr: I suppose it is lenny. How can I check> |
| 22:57.27 | mercutio22 | ? |
| 22:57.53 | meua | hi all ! does someone know where i could find the Debian IRC archive, i ve done some research on the main website and google but couldn't found nothing... thx ! |
| 22:58.02 | mercutio22 | !nvidia pre-built |
| 22:58.02 | dpkg | aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). |
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| 23:01.11 | meua | !logs |
| 23:01.11 | dpkg | Logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
| 23:01.12 | nsadmin | another way that doesn't involve regex/sed... uname -r | cut -d- -f2- |
| 23:01.21 | nsadmin | more readable |
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| 23:02.18 | rgr | I dont thinks that more readable at all. |
| 23:02.44 | Xenguy | meua: /topic |
| 23:03.25 | mercutio22 | rgr I am on amd64... maybe that was it |
| 23:03.30 | tuv | so what's the recommended swap size for a 4GB+ desktop/laptop (accounting for hibernate support)? |
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| 23:03.51 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: I have no swap - it's up to you |
| 23:04.06 | rgr | 2 gig wont be too far off. |
| 23:04.28 | jpinx-eeepc | swap used to be 3 x RAM |
| 23:04.42 | meua | Xenguy, thx ! |
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| 23:04.50 | rgr | only on some platforms and only whe npeople listened to old fishwives tales :-) |
| 23:04.56 | what | sudo apt-get build-dep thanksgiving && sudo apt-get install turkey stuffing && sudo apt-get install common-side-dishes common-desert-dishes && wget -c holiday.cheer.tar && tar -xvf holiday.cheer.tar && cd holiday.cheer && make && sudo make install && holiday.cheer |
| 23:05.06 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: are you doing CAD? |
| 23:05.08 | Xenguy | meua: yw |
| 23:05.35 | tuv | doesn't hibernate require at least as mush swap as memory? |
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| 23:05.51 | rgr | Why? |
| 23:05.53 | what | killall -9 holida* |
| 23:05.58 | cesurasean1 | Can someone be thankful for their computer skills, and tell me how to remove device number on this pastebin. the device is in my raid, but i don't know how to remove it since it no longer exists, and googled and tried every command ive seen. please help removed device #2, which is showing as removed? - http://pastebin.com/f525179d6 |
| 23:06.06 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv, hibernate needs enough to store whatever applications you have open |
| 23:06.37 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: hence me asking if you do CAD, or is this a desktop in your bedroom? |
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| 23:06.46 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: which can grow as high as total memory, no? |
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| 23:07.04 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: it can get bigger |
| 23:07.29 | tuv | hmm.. |
| 23:08.14 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: hence the old recommendation of 3xRAM, but as rgr points out, that is not always applicable - I have no swap at all and I suspend to file |
| 23:08.32 | tuv | i do a bit of cad on the laptop (on which i care for a working hibernate), but not regularly (i have desktops for that). but why cad specifically? |
| 23:09.02 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: because cad uses a lot of RAM ;) |
| 23:09.05 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: oh.. suspend to file sounds interesting. how do set it up |
| 23:09.31 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: there's a howto in a wiki on debian.org |
| 23:09.39 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: so does graphics, virtual machines software and other types of apps |
| 23:10.37 | rgr | use a swap file and problems over. |
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| 23:11.47 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: cad was easier to type ;) |
| 23:13.52 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: found it - at last - http://wiki.debian.org/Hibernation/Hibernate_Without_Swap_Partition |
| 23:14.35 | jpinx-eeepc | it's annoying when you can't find your own work.... :/ |
| 23:15.43 | cesurasean1 | ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid1 num-devices=3 metadata=00.90 UUID=0389404f:8c408a1c:9de0b621:9935d2d7 |
| 23:15.46 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv - there is also http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Configure#Hibernate.28suspend-to-disk.29 |
| 23:15.49 | cesurasean1 | how do i remove one of those devices? |
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| 23:18.39 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: is uswsusp an alternative to pm-utils' pm-hibernate? |
| 23:18.52 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: why are you using metadata=00.90 instead of 1.1 ? |
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| 23:20.08 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv dunno - I haven't tried those |
| 23:21.41 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: it was installed by default on my squeeze |
| 23:22.38 | jpinx-eeepc | is on stable |
| 23:22.39 | themill | tuv: pm-utils is a wrapper script that will use the "best" available method (e.g. uswsusp if it is installed) |
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| 23:23.49 | oxi | hi |
| 23:24.04 | oxi | does anyone have Squeeze and Tomcat6 installed? |
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| 23:24.19 | oxi | I accidentally deleted some files |
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| 23:24.56 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
| 23:24.58 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: sould I mention that in my wikipage? |
| 23:25.11 | dboehmer | something is wrong with my acpi-system |
| 23:25.32 | dboehmer | battery monitor in LXDE shows 0% for my battery |
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| 23:25.49 | dboehmer | also powertop from intel shows about 160W power drain |
| 23:25.56 | cesurasean1 | where is the data for raid devices stored with mdadm?? |
| 23:27.43 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: perhaps... it's not really specific to s2swapfile though. BTW needing to edit the hal script like that is a bit strange though... I have s2disk working via hal quite happily without doing that (but I have pm-utils installed so that's perhaps why) |
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| 23:28.48 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: fairysnuff - this was written for minimal installs on eeepc's, so not all shortcuts were available (or known) |
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| 23:30.18 | jelly-home | dboehmer: that's nothing, my netbook battery is charging with a 64A current! |
| 23:30.52 | dboehmer | jelly, mine is discharging |
| 23:31.11 | dboehmer | long-term drain shown is 11.1W which is correct |
| 23:31.36 | dboehmer | don't know if this is a bug in powertop or something wrong in acpi |
| 23:31.48 | mercutio22 | why should the nvidia installation keep me from changing tty? |
| 23:32.05 | mercutio22 | ping |
| 23:32.06 | nsadmin | 64 amps is VERY large |
| 23:32.16 | cesurasean1 | no one here can tell me how to remove a disk from an array in mdadm? lol |
| 23:32.31 | dboehmer | cesurasean1, that's easy |
| 23:32.45 | nsadmin | everyone here can read up on how |
| 23:32.48 | nsadmin | including you |
| 23:32.49 | dboehmer | cesurasean1, you need to remove a failed disk or want to reduce number of disks in running raid? |
| 23:32.59 | jelly-home | nsadmin: it'd be downright impressive for it to draw that power and not melt |
| 23:33.13 | nsadmin | and not melt FAST |
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| 23:33.22 | dboehmer | :-) |
| 23:33.47 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: http://wiki.tldp.org/LVM-on-RAID |
| 23:33.54 | nsadmin | how much power would that be... that looks like a dead short |
| 23:34.00 | tuv | themill: what does pm-utils default to in the absence of uswsusp? |
| 23:34.14 | nsadmin | maybe the battery is old? |
| 23:34.21 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: To remove a disk from an array in mdadm you first fail, then remove (commands) the device. |
| 23:34.35 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 23:34.35 | cesurasean1 | the device is already failed |
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| 23:34.53 | cesurasean1 | i keep trying remove, but it says the device is not being used, or something along those lines... |
| 23:34.57 | nsadmin | you issued the fail command? |
| 23:34.57 | dboehmer | nsadmin, you have any idea why powertop shows 155W power usage and reasonable 11W long-term? |
| 23:35.10 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: mdadm /dev/md(whatever) --remove /dev/device |
| 23:35.21 | nsadmin | watts is not a "usage" |
| 23:35.25 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: in case the device is failed to the point that it is missing from the system you need a different command. |
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| 23:35.31 | nsadmin | watts is energy/time |
| 23:35.39 | nsadmin | multiply by time... |
| 23:35.46 | nsadmin | you get energy |
| 23:35.50 | jelly-home | nsadmin: and that energy isn't "used"? |
| 23:35.52 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: from mam mdadm: -r, --remove remove listed devices. They must not be active. i.e. they should be failed or spare devices. As well as the name of a device file (e.g. /dev/sda1) the words failed and detached can be given to --remove. The first causes all failed device to be removed. The second causes any device which is no longer connected to the system (i.e an 'open' returns ENXIO) to be removed. |
| 23:35.54 | cesurasean1 | MJEvans, what is that command? |
| 23:35.57 | MJEvans | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.02 | nsadmin | watts is not energy |
| 23:36.11 | jelly-home | nsadmin: noone said it was. |
| 23:36.13 | dboehmer | nsadmin, in german i can distinguish the right terms but i have little difficulties in english. i just used the words powertop uses! |
| 23:36.23 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: instead of specifying the device you specify 'detached' |
| 23:36.24 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 23:36.34 | dboehmer | it reads: "Power usage (ACPI estimate): 155.4W (0.2 hours) (long term: 11.0W,/2.7h)" |
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| 23:37.09 | jelly-home | pick: a) your acpi bios sucks b) kernel sucks c) kernel <-> userspace interaction sucks |
| 23:37.16 | cesurasean1 | MJEvans, can you provide an example, please? |
| 23:37.30 | jelly-home | (none of that is helpful, sorry) |
| 23:37.32 | nsadmin | so that's just under 33 wat-hours |
| 23:37.50 | dboehmer | jelly, can you name the low-level /proc or /sys entries giving these values? |
| 23:37.55 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: mdadm /dev/md0 --remove detached |
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| 23:38.35 | cesurasean1 | noithing happens, and it doesn't look like it removes them... |
| 23:38.45 | jelly-home | dboehmer: battery in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/ |
| 23:38.49 | themill | tuv: tuxonice if it is installed or the in-kernel method failing that |
| 23:39.11 | nsadmin | cesurasean1: can you read the man page please... you can get examples all day, but you also need to understand what the examples do so you can come up with your own examples (AKA actually use it) |
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| 23:39.20 | tuv | themill: just figured that out! so how is uswsusp better/different than kenrel hibernate methods? |
| 23:39.42 | nsadmin | you're getting this because you tried to ridicule the channel for not coming across and reading the manual to you |
| 23:39.47 | jelly-home | dboehmer: oh, and I forgot my own situation d) cheap 3rd party battery replacement with electronics (that suck) |
| 23:39.59 | themill | tuv: by implementing things in userspace it can do more -- progress bar / splash support, compression, encryption, ... |
| 23:40.24 | cesurasean1 | nsadmin, I have read the manual, what are you talking about? |
| 23:40.27 | dboehmer | jelly, i have an IBM ThinkPad X40 with original IBM battery. won't that be okay? |
| 23:41.00 | jelly-home | dboehmer: it might be okay |
| 23:41.01 | nsadmin | cesurasean1: so why did you try to ridicule the channel? |
| 23:41.28 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: then they're still attached and you should name the devices. You probably will want to mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/removed-device |
| 23:41.34 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: I did say in the wiki it's fr encryption compression retc |
| 23:41.37 | nsadmin | I can understand better why, if you were paying for the help |
| 23:41.44 | nsadmin | but you'er not |
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| 23:42.39 | cesurasean1 | how do I name the devices? lol the only thing i have is a device number.... |
| 23:43.11 | nsadmin | maybe the devices can be listed using the command... or maybe the devices show up in /devb |
| 23:43.14 | nsadmin | dev |
| 23:43.42 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: step one, read all of man mdadm at least once, possibly two or three times. Step two, cat /proc/mdstat . Step three, Read man mdadm and then /proc/mdstat again until you know what you want to do. |
| 23:43.54 | nsadmin | if the latter is the case, the name is the fully qualified pathname to the block special file representing the device |
| 23:44.05 | jelly-home | cesurasean1: pastebin /proc/mdstat contents as well? |
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| 23:44.49 | cesurasean1 | http://pastebin.com/f7eb73516 |
| 23:45.22 | cesurasean1 | ive used all of these commands, no success. :( |
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| 23:45.39 | cesurasean1 | you haven't shown me anything new, except for the disconnected thing |
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| 23:46.21 | nsadmin | if that's the case, you have to be creative about how to put together the elements you know about |
| 23:46.39 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: your raid device already has only one member /dev/hda1 |
| 23:47.03 | nsadmin | does his mdstat indicate he has only one basic volume in it? |
| 23:47.07 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: so to hibernate to a swap file you do have to have a swap file active -> you're not really running with swap, just with no swap partition. am i right? |
| 23:47.37 | MJEvans | You've configured mdadm to expect up to three devices; currently two of which are 'missing'. This is tollerable for raid1, as it has 1 data device and zero redundancy. |
| 23:47.51 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: the idea is that the system is not using swap, only the suspendd process |
| 23:47.57 | cesurasean1 | mdadm is only configured for 2 devices. |
| 23:48.01 | cesurasean1 | do you want my mdadm, also? |
| 23:48.05 | cesurasean1 | mdadm.conf? |
| 23:48.12 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: and that happens because of the: "vm.swappiness=1"? |
| 23:48.16 | nsadmin | that couldn't hurt |
| 23:48.27 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv I gave up using it 'cos my RAM is half the size of the ssd and I couldn't get a swapfile big enough |
| 23:48.31 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: I expect you told mdadm you wanted 'two SPARES' |
| 23:48.48 | cesurasean1 | http://pastebin.com/f22ed480b |
| 23:48.51 | cesurasean1 | no |
| 23:48.58 | cesurasean1 | it has 0 spares |
| 23:49.02 | cesurasean1 | lol |
| 23:49.09 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: so feel free to edit my wiki page - your experience is much more recent |
| 23:49.31 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: mdadm --stop /dev/md0 |
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| 23:50.12 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: mdadm --assemble --scan /dev/md0 |
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| 23:50.46 | cesurasean1 | mdadm --stop /dev/md0 doesn't ever stop the device. |
| 23:50.51 | nsadmin | !ops abutsFums abutsFum@65-115-145-194.dia.static.qwest.net another one to kline |
| 23:50.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: abutsFums abutsFum@65-115-145-194.dia.static.qwest.net another one to kline |
| 23:51.13 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: are you currently using the device? |
| 23:51.23 | azeem | nsadmin: eh, ops cannot in general kline |
| 23:51.32 | RichiH | nsadmin: thanks, though we already nuked it |
| 23:51.35 | cesurasean1 | no |
| 23:51.45 | cesurasean1 | wait |
| 23:51.47 | cesurasean1 | yeah i am |
| 23:51.57 | jpinx-eeepc | !return |
| 23:51.57 | cesurasean1 | how do i stop the device complete? boot into the single user kernel, or what? |
| 23:52.01 | nsadmin | azeem: I was too lazy to join #freenode, just making sure anyway |
| 23:52.04 | RichiH | azeem: it does hilight three ops and is picked up in a monitoring channel, though |
| 23:52.11 | MJEvans | Unmount/deactivate lvm/etc that's using it then try stopping it again |
| 23:52.19 | RichiH | but yah, #freenode is better for this |
| 23:52.30 | RichiH | azeem: tomorrow is a bugfest, no? |
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| 23:52.37 | RichiH | azeem: and debian packaging thingie |
| 23:52.41 | nsadmin | mmmm bugs! |
| 23:52.47 | azeem | RichiH: well, mostly Sat/Sun |
| 23:52.49 | azeem | but yes |
| 23:52.54 | azeem | http://wiki.debian.org/BSP2009/Munich |
| 23:52.58 | RichiH | azeem: i got time on fri |
| 23:53.00 | RichiH | maybe |
| 23:53.04 | azeem | heh |
| 23:53.21 | azeem | I don't plan to meet you before next FOSDEM :P |
| 23:53.22 | mercutio22 | Are there any nvidia users here? I could use a working xorg.conf |
| 23:53.31 | azeem | well, expect, rather |
| 23:53.40 | RichiH | hehe |
| 23:53.52 | RichiH | i must go scuba diving this weekend |
| 23:53.59 | cesurasean1 | MJEvans, how do I remove ALL devices except the one being used exactly? |
| 23:54.05 | azeem | in lake Starnberg?? |
| 23:54.08 | RichiH | as scuba diving turned out to be the best modilisation for my ankle |
| 23:54.22 | nsadmin | mercutio22 hope you find out here. another source of info:#nvidia |
| 23:54.30 | RichiH | and i will be cut open soon after which will make diving impossible for some time |
| 23:54.35 | azeem | ugh |
| 23:54.39 | mercutio22 | nsadmin: thanks man |
| 23:54.39 | RichiH | azeem: probably, yes |
| 23:54.41 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: i have 3GB of ram, so i'm tempted to disable swapping altogether and use a swap file with uswsusp |
| 23:54.54 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: you, unfortunately, have to know more about what's using your device. |
| 23:55.44 | RichiH | azeem: but yah, starnberger is the usual place |
| 23:55.54 | RichiH | with all the fun local regulation |
| 23:56.11 | cesurasean1 | MJEvans, that's the part i don't understand. see, it was a partition on a hard drive, i clicked something in webmin, and it tried to use a device that was not big enough, etc |
| 23:56.17 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: my eeepc has 4GBs SDD hard drive and 2 GBs RAM - so I basically can not suspend/hibernate - it boot fast enough anyway on the rare occasions I need to. I disabled lid close suspend and it sit on the table on all the time. |
| 23:56.22 | cesurasean1 | so something is still holding on to it, though it doesn't even exist |
| 23:56.30 | cesurasean1 | something is wrong with mdadm |
| 23:56.37 | RichiH | azeem: if i make it to the BSP, would you be willing to go over a package with me? |
| 23:56.46 | cesurasean1 | where does mdadm store information for devices it is using, or has removed? |
| 23:56.48 | RichiH | only minor stuff, but in person > *, etc |
| 23:56.51 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: try looking at dmesg | tail |
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| 23:57.00 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: why set vm.swappiness to 1 rather than 0 though |
| 23:57.06 | azeem | RichiH: only if it fixes an RC bug! |
| 23:57.30 | RichiH | azeem: i can make up a release goal & file one? ;) |
| 23:57.45 | RichiH | but seriously, i read that there would be a mini-packaging-howto |
| 23:57.46 | azeem | heh |
| 23:57.49 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: mdadm provides a summary on /proc/mdstat , and per md device information and controls under /sys/block/md(whatever)/md/ |
| 23:58.09 | azeem | RichiH: well, rather a NMU-BSP-procedure howto I guess |
| 23:58.16 | azeem | depends on whether anybody shows up tomorrow |
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| 23:58.26 | azeem | anyway, I gotta go now; we can tomorrow if you have time |
| 23:58.57 | RichiH | kk |
| 23:58.58 | RichiH | cya |
| 23:59.01 | RichiH | sleep well |
| 23:59.06 | azeem | bye |
| 23:59.48 | MJEvans | cesurasean1: try running pvdisplay |
