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| 00:00.51 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv that s a minimal use - you can make it 0 if you like |
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| 00:01.56 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: the file exists, so you might as well swap to it, and it might reduce the time taken to actually do the hibernation 'cos some of the stuff will already be in there |
| 00:01.56 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: do i have to allocate all the swap file size at creation time (dd command)? can't it be set to expand as needed? |
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| 00:02.02 | frog | i have canon pixma mp630 . it was iinstalled with drivers mp610. but it fails. when i try to print something there is a status in system. also int tft of the printer there is a info taht the data are beeing printed from pc. |
| 00:02.14 | frog | but nothing is beeing printed |
| 00:02.27 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: yea - I thought of that but never got around to working out how to expand to what was needed |
| 00:02.53 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: the best i could find is the dphys-swapfile package |
| 00:03.06 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: also there was a thought to write a script to create the swapfile only when the hibernation is called, but I never got to that either |
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| 00:03.48 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: and you will probably want to recover the swapfile space for normal use |
| 00:04.15 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: so it's an incomplete project - over to you ;) |
| 00:04.33 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: that would make hibernation take longer, but can potentially allocate only as much space as actually needed to perform the swap |
| 00:04.43 | jpinx-eeepc | some nifty bash/dash scripting for you to do ;) |
| 00:05.15 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: yes - you pay for the benefit in slower hibernation |
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| 00:05.43 | what | !penis |
| 00:05.45 | what | damn. |
| 00:05.50 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: which defeats part of the objectives of hibernation, hence me rebooting;) |
| 00:07.21 | cesurasean1 | MJEvans, thanks, i changed disks to 2 inside a file, and it seems to have removed it.... |
| 00:07.42 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: besides - I need to restart the browser periodically anyway, so no big deal... |
| 00:07.48 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: i'll probably start with using uswsusp with my existing swap partition with vm.swapiness=1|0. i may decide to move to swap file later, but i'm not short on disk space :) |
| 00:08.42 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: we're really in need for a memory-efficient browser |
| 00:08.48 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: if you have lots of hdd space, go for the swapfile and leave it there |
| 00:09.09 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: tell me about it - browsers are a real pita |
| 00:09.57 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: the advantage of doing the swapfile is less partitioning, ut the you're not short of space...... |
| 00:10.03 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: i might do that, i'm just not sure how is that any better than my already existing swap partition. if i was installing i might have gone the swap file route |
| 00:10.33 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: with endless hdd space - swap partition is probably best |
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| 00:11.19 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: and since you want to suspend, make your swap a smidgens bigger than your ram |
| 00:11.20 | centHOGG | hi anybody here installed the latest version of handbrake? |
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| 00:11.57 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions handbrake |
| 00:11.58 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: handbrake -- |
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| 00:12.14 | jpinx-eeepc | centHOGG: that doesn't appear to be in debian |
| 00:12.26 | centHOGG | hi, yeah I got it dmm |
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| 00:15.10 | jelly-home | judd knows about dmm as well |
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| 00:15.11 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "knows" is not a valid command. |
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| 00:15.22 | jelly-home | he's otherwise a bit dumb |
| 00:15.42 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: how to ask judd what's in dmm? |
| 00:15.45 | jelly-home | judd: versions mplayer |
| 00:15.46 | judd | jelly-home: mplayer -- etch: 1.0~rc1-12etch5 etch-security: 1.0~rc1-12etch7 lenny: 1.0~rc2-17+lenny3 sid: 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 squeeze: 1.0~rc3+svn20090405-1 etch-multimedia: 1:1.0-rc1svn20070225-0.3etch1 lenny-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20080706-0.1lenny1 squeeze-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20091101-0.0 sid-multimedia: 1:1.0.rc2svn20091118-0.0 |
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| 00:16.23 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: huh.. no uswsusp in testing :( |
| 00:16.47 | jelly-home | !why is uswsusp not in testing |
| 00:16.48 | dpkg | uswsusp is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=uswsusp |
| 00:16.53 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: oh well - go for the option you and themill were talking about |
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| 00:17.55 | cheavera | When I start my notebook the screen screen is half dimmed. I would like the screen to be at full light when I startip. How can i adjus this? |
| 00:18.11 | tuv | jelly-home: cool.. google failed to answer that question for me |
| 00:18.28 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: that *was* uswsusp! |
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| 00:18.45 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: I thought there was something else |
| 00:18.50 | jpinx-eeepc | scrollsback |
| 00:19.29 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: well pm-utils chooses one of: 1) tuxonice - which requires kernel patches. 2) uswsusp 3) in-kernel support - which i'm using now |
| 00:20.07 | jpinx-eeepc | yes - in-kernel was it |
| 00:20.08 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: so are/were you running stable then? |
| 00:20.15 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: yes |
| 00:20.21 | jpinx-eeepc | always do ;) |
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| 00:20.38 | tuv | that's content.. given how far back it is with versions |
| 00:20.46 | The_Eccentric | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
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| 00:20.52 | The_Eccentric | do you have to dl all the dvd? |
| 00:20.59 | The_Eccentric | or just one? |
| 00:21.02 | The_Eccentric | iso |
| 00:21.20 | jpinx-eeepc | The_Eccentric: you could do a net install..... |
| 00:21.39 | jpinx-eeepc | The_Eccentric: much smaller download of an installer |
| 00:22.21 | The_Eccentric | llink? |
| 00:22.29 | The_Eccentric | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 00:23.13 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: oops.. uswsusp: Cases serious corruption on Ext4, with swap image file |
| 00:24.09 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv :( |
| 00:24.55 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv: being in stable means that ext4 is something I don't have to deal with :) |
| 00:26.01 | tuv | i guess i better wait until it hits testing again. i kinda remember looking for uswsusp in testing two months ago and not finding it. i just assumed it got obsolete, especially with tuxonice show up |
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| 00:28.02 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: it's not all bad though.. at least i learned that bit about vm.swappiness. it's set to 1 now. will see how it does, if anything at all |
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| 00:31.01 | ramindia | iam installing courier-authlib-0.55 on debian lenny |
| 00:31.18 | ramindia | when i issue make command "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -linker" |
| 00:31.35 | ramindia | i get above error, try to google, iam not sure what package iam missing |
| 00:31.42 | ramindia | any one suggest me what is wrong |
| 00:33.01 | xyan | binutils missing? |
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| 00:35.02 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv - yea - I learn a lot from messing around ;) |
| 00:35.12 | Da | Is it possible to upgrade a lenny install to "squeeze"? |
| 00:35.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Da: yes |
| 00:35.35 | [jasper] | guys, do you know if disk i/o can somehow be limiuted by cpu speed |
| 00:35.42 | [jasper] | so it gets slowed down due to a slow cpu? |
| 00:35.45 | Xenguy | !lenny->squeeze |
| 00:35.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Da: but I suggest that if you have to assk that you shouldn't |
| 00:35.55 | Xenguy | ah well |
| 00:35.59 | Da | jpinx-eeepc: how is it done?..thru terminal? |
| 00:36.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Da: don't do it - you obviously don't have the skills to deal with itv |
| 00:36.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !testing |
| 00:36.29 | dpkg | hmm... testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 00:37.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Da: why are you upgrading? |
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| 00:37.40 | Da | jpinx-eeepc: i just want to see what it is like..ay progress made from now the near yr old lenny release thats all |
| 00:37.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: there's a good reason for that factoid to not work. |
| 00:38.16 | Xenguy | jpinx-eeepc: stop lecturing for gods sake |
| 00:39.18 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: you want me to not warn him? |
| 00:40.13 | Xenguy | jpinx-eeepc: no worries, I understand you are warning, but people do use testing you know :-) |
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| 00:40.27 | tuv | testing rocks |
| 00:40.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Xenguy: sure - when they know what they're doing ;) |
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| 00:41.05 | frog | i have alsa-utils but no alsaconf. what should i install? |
| 00:41.10 | Xenguy | jpinx-eeepc: it helps, granted |
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| 00:41.53 | tuv | jpinx-eeepc: or when they want to be forced to know what they should know ;) |
| 00:42.07 | jpinx-eeepc | tuv ;) |
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| 00:42.52 | jpinx-eeepc | basically anyone who has to ask how to upgrade does not have the ability to run testing. |
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| 00:45.19 | karihre | jpinx-eeepc: one way to learn is to try |
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| 00:45.59 | jpinx-eeepc | karihre: sure - but people need to know that it may well break - stable is stable ;) |
| 00:46.55 | karihre | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, but sometimes it's ok that things break, believe me, I didn't have a clue what I was doing when I first upgraded to unstable, yet here I am today |
| 00:46.58 | karihre | :) |
| 00:47.11 | karihre | (and I always run unstable ;) |
| 00:47.29 | karihre | (for my desktop that is) |
| 00:48.43 | tuv | i have to say.. it's been a few years since testing broke in any serious way |
| 00:49.25 | liable | hmm, i recall some pretty serious breakage just befor release |
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| 00:50.47 | Akuw | has debian removed non free repositories? |
| 00:50.54 | liable | nope |
| 00:51.03 | Akuw | and posibility to install non free firmaware ? |
| 00:51.17 | liable | yep |
| 00:51.38 | liable | you need to add the repo to your sources.list |
| 00:51.43 | asarch | Is there any way to set the "userspace" governor control for every boot? |
| 00:51.53 | asarch | Any way to do it "permanently" |
| 00:51.54 | asarch | ? |
| 00:52.06 | liable | /etc/sysctl iirc |
| 00:52.12 | Da | jpinx-eeepc: ive been using many distros from alpha, betas for about 5yrs......and if I am correct fedora is a testing branch fro redhat? |
| 00:54.01 | kermit | does wireless traffic between two clients on the same wireless network get relpayed through the access point? |
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| 00:54.17 | liable | yep |
| 00:54.18 | karihre | Da: you are correct |
| 00:54.22 | liable | unless you are ad-hoc |
| 00:54.39 | asarch | liable, do you mean echo "echo userspace > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor" > /etc/sysctl |
| 00:54.40 | asarch | ? |
| 00:55.18 | liable | asarch: i dont think you need to do the echo. have a look in the file, it has a little bit of text at the top |
| 00:55.26 | liable | iirc |
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| 00:55.38 | asarch | cat: /etc/sysctl: No such file or directory |
| 00:55.40 | Da | >>used fedora since ver 5 to 9 seen all the changes.......has also used sidux for years another branch of debian.......so you could say i will know how to use a testing distro |
| 00:56.15 | asarch | "You may set the governor in your rc.local, to make it used on every boot. " (from http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling) |
| 00:56.17 | kermit | liable: huh.. i'm usisg WPA and for some reason if i send out multicast or broadcast traffic, my 802.11g card maxes out at about 100KB/s any idea why? it can do 2MB/s of unicast traffic. |
| 00:56.20 | asarch | The question is: how? |
| 00:56.25 | karihre | Da: you just change "lenny" to "squeezy" in /etc/apt/sources.list and do aptitude dist-upgrade, if I recall correctly |
| 00:56.28 | liable | actually, it isnt sysctl |
| 00:56.55 | _sleepy_ | isn't aptitude obsolete? |
| 00:57.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell _sleepy_ about why aptitude |
| 00:57.41 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell karihre about squeeze |
| 00:57.53 | karihre | haha |
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| 00:58.04 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Da about squeeze |
| 00:58.11 | karihre | sorry about wrong name |
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| 01:00.01 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Da about testing |
| 01:00.05 | liable | asarch: /etc/init.d/cpufrequtils |
| 01:00.10 | Da | karihre: no i did not add the deb http? yet |
| 01:00.15 | liable | they changed it a while back |
| 01:00.55 | elipsoid | Hi. I know I shouldn't ask if I can ask, so let's get started : I just dist-upgraded from stable to unstable. It went almost well. But now, qt4 is installed, and won't switch an ugly sans serif font to the ones I want. I tried to edit manually Trolltech.conf, but it seems it has already saved my changes. How can I force that change ? |
| 01:01.01 | karihre | Da: ? did you just now install from a cd? |
| 01:01.07 | _sleepy_ | jpinx-eeepc: not everyone has this view, my personal experience tells me that apt-get can resolve situations where aptitude it fails |
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| 01:01.40 | asarch | Thank you very much liable |
| 01:01.42 | asarch | Thank you :-) |
| 01:01.50 | jpinx-eeepc | _sleepy_: ymmv |
| 01:01.54 | liable | yw |
| 01:02.08 | karihre | I think the official policy is to use aptitude rather then apt-get now |
| 01:02.12 | _sleepy_ | jpinx-eeepc: ? |
| 01:02.29 | Da | karihre: yes i just installed lenny 5.03 from cd......i also updated all the sources list to......only the ones available fro lenny |
| 01:02.49 | jpinx-eeepc | _sleepy_: I didn't write that factoid - it is the latest thinking from on high |
| 01:03.00 | elipsoid | note that if I change it in qtconfig while vlc is openned for example, it will change vlc's font as well. But I have to save my configuration to make it work. As soon as qtconfig is closed, it strikes back to me by changing again :( |
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| 01:03.29 | jpinx-eeepc | Da: one thing to watch for - use distrosby name , not by "stable" "testing" ;) |
| 01:04.05 | jpinx-eeepc | elipsoid: welcome to testing :) |
| 01:04.10 | karihre | Da: eg my /etc/apt/sources.list looks like this: http://dpaste.com/125687/ |
| 01:04.28 | elipsoid | Hey, that's not a bug. Worked well on gentoo :( |
| 01:04.35 | karihre | Da: If I change lenny to squeeze and do aptitude dist-upgrade it would upgrade the whole system |
| 01:04.48 | _sleepy_ | jpinx-eeepc: is this written on the official site? |
| 01:04.52 | elipsoid | I'll soon be on a killing spree with those lamy fonts :( |
| 01:05.00 | karihre | I'd drop the volatile lines though |
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| 01:06.37 | karihre | (and change the mirror from the Icelandic one) |
| 01:07.30 | Da | karihre: i have the same lines in my sources list, so i just change lenny to squeeze aptitude dist-upgrade and everything should be ok? |
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| 01:07.54 | elipsoid | Da should, yes =)) |
| 01:08.29 | GGsalas | Hi, I need activate 3D aceleratin on my Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M in debian Lenny ¿help? Thanks |
| 01:08.43 | elipsoid | GGsalas, install your drivers ? |
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| 01:08.54 | elipsoid | add a line in your xorg.conf file |
| 01:08.56 | elipsoid | restart X |
| 01:08.57 | elipsoid | done |
| 01:08.58 | Da | kar thanks for your help......Bl :) |
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| 01:09.00 | darkham | hi people, how can i write on win7 partition? |
| 01:09.13 | karihre | Da: you are most welcome |
| 01:09.16 | elipsoid | with win7 :x |
| 01:09.31 | GGsalas | elipsoid ¿what line ? |
| 01:09.59 | elipsoid | GGsalas, you're in your xorg.conf file ? |
| 01:10.41 | elipsoid | what drivers did you choose ( i don't really know ati, i've nvidia :x ) |
| 01:11.01 | GGsalas | elipsoid Im in |
| 01:11.07 | darkham | elipsoid, ntfs-3g can't allow writing in ntfs partition? |
| 01:11.41 | jpinx-eeepc | darkham: yes it can |
| 01:12.41 | elipsoid | GGsalas, here is my xorg.conf, with nvidia drivers http://pastebin.ca/1688876 |
| 01:12.49 | elipsoid | you should replace nvidia by your driver |
| 01:13.03 | elipsoid | which I don't know how it's named |
| 01:13.10 | elipsoid | google would tell you that |
| 01:13.16 | GGsalas | elipsoid not have nvidia |
| 01:13.33 | GGsalas | Section "Device" |
| 01:13.34 | GGsalas | Identifier"Configured Video Device" |
| 01:13.34 | GGsalas | EndSection |
| 01:13.58 | elipsoid | hang on, i'll find a tutorial for you |
| 01:14.20 | GGsalas | ok. thanks |
| 01:14.31 | GGsalas | I find one, but not help me |
| 01:15.24 | darkham | jpinx-eeepc, i tried KNOPPIX 6.2 and i mounted right ntfs partition, but i can't write nothing inside... |
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| 01:15.39 | elipsoid | http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-ati-fglrx-driver-in-debian.html |
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| 01:15.43 | elipsoid | that one should do the trick |
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| 01:15.54 | jpinx-eeepc | darkham: no idea about live CD's |
| 01:16.01 | GGsalas | elipsoid ¿I need this driver? |
| 01:16.13 | massmc | hello, is there a tool I can install that will give me stats in a shell about user traffic and so forth? |
| 01:16.20 | elipsoid | Yes you need it |
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| 01:16.54 | elipsoid | If you want 3D acceleration and stuffs, you have to get a ati driver ( or the free equivalent, but i don't remember how it's named ) |
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| 01:16.59 | massmc | i'm after something abit like htop but with bandwidth in use |
| 01:17.03 | prince_jammys | !radeon |
| 01:17.04 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). For chipsets prior to R600 (i.e. models up to and including the X1950), use the 'radeon' xorg driver and optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (recent chipsets, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 01:17.29 | elipsoid | so that's already the free driver ;) |
| 01:17.56 | GGsalas | elipsoid OK, I thought the free driver is OK for the Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M |
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| 01:18.59 | Da | karihre: upgrading nicely now.......but it is a 1.gb upgarde! |
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| 01:19.26 | Da | >>and will take 2hrs+ to do |
| 01:19.37 | elipsoid | Search if it's ok ... Try with flgrx, if it doesn't works, take the proprietary drivers |
| 01:19.42 | elipsoid | ( on the ati website ) |
| 01:20.08 | elipsoid | The important thing is : have a driver, have a module, make X use that module |
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| 01:20.25 | elipsoid | driver = module in that story :x |
| 01:20.29 | Da | elipsoid: i know of an easy way for ati cards :) |
| 01:20.36 | elipsoid | oh ? |
| 01:20.40 | elipsoid | Which ? |
| 01:20.44 | elipsoid | ( trash ? :x ) |
| 01:20.49 | Da | elipsoid: pm me ok |
| 01:21.28 | tuv | Da: get used to it. testing exhibits very frequent updates |
| 01:21.43 | darkham | what do you know about writing in win7's ntfs? |
| 01:21.45 | GGsalas | Da, tellme your easy way |
| 01:22.04 | jpinx-eeepc | !ntfs-3g |
| 01:22.04 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 01:22.17 | jpinx-eeepc | darkham: ^^ |
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| 01:22.32 | what | darkham: quite a bit? |
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| 01:22.52 | GGsalas | im confused |
| 01:23.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Da: did you read the release notes? |
| 01:23.08 | Da | GG pm me to ok |
| 01:23.15 | what | sudo apt-get build-dep thanksgiving && sudo apt-get install turkey stuffing && sudo apt-get install common-side-dishes common-desert-dishes && wget -c holiday.cheer.tar && tar -xvf holiday.cheer.tar && cd holiday.cheer && make && sudo make install && holiday.cheer |
| 01:23.19 | what | killall -9 holida* |
| 01:23.22 | what | :> |
| 01:23.36 | GGsalas | now I install mesa-utils |
| 01:24.06 | GGsalas | apparently NOW i have 3D acelleration |
| 01:24.14 | GGsalas | can be? |
| 01:24.17 | Akuw | i used du but because i have 7700 directories with 3000 files in each dir it takes so much time to show du results |
| 01:24.22 | Da | GGsalas: pm me ok and i will expain |
| 01:24.23 | Akuw | any way to do fast? |
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| 01:29.26 | elipsoid | Does anyone have ever experienced font issues with qt4 ? |
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| 01:37.34 | abrotman | elipsoid: more details might help |
| 01:38.44 | elipsoid | Hm, in fact, i just dist-upgrade from stable to testing/unstable |
| 01:38.54 | elipsoid | everythings works well except qt4 |
| 01:39.15 | elipsoid | which won't switch an ugly police to a normal one |
| 01:39.35 | elipsoid | it appears pixelised ( Ok, my english is really deprecated in that case :( ) |
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| 01:40.01 | Da | karihre: yes a little of the release nots .......only 2hrs left now for upgrade to squueze |
| 01:40.15 | elipsoid | It won't change with qtconfig-qt4 |
| 01:40.36 | elipsoid | In fact, I can change it, I save, and when I start vlc for example, the font is still the same |
| 01:40.42 | elipsoid | ( ok s/police/font ) |
| 01:40.44 | massmc | abrotman, i'm after a tool that will show me what users are up to real time.. like bandwidth in/out disk space used etc. Can you help me? |
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| 01:41.09 | abrotman | on a single machine? |
| 01:42.54 | karihre | Da: yeah it takes time :) |
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| 01:45.48 | massmc | yes on a single machine |
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| 01:51.41 | abrotman | massmc: apt-cache search accounting ? |
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| 01:53.32 | massmc | thanks mate |
| 01:53.43 | massmc | flow-tools i see that might do net flow |
| 01:53.49 | massmc | is that right abrotman |
| 01:54.20 | abrotman | that's one that might .. read the full description |
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| 01:54.59 | abrotman | based on what i'm reading, i'd say no |
| 01:57.14 | massmc | same, it's some sort of backend api |
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| 02:06.27 | datechman | irc.aceirc.org |
| 02:06.30 | datechman | join it :p |
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| 02:11.05 | linuxguy | any ideas when debian 6 will be reeleased after the squeeze testing? |
| 02:11.06 | liable | no |
| 02:12.04 | liable | linuxguy: i think they were gunning for march or april |
| 02:13.14 | linuxguy | liable: thanks.a bit like ubuntu etc.6 month cycle before official release then |
| 02:13.41 | markybob | jesus. no. hell no. fuck no |
| 02:13.47 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 02:13.47 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a <freeze> starting in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>. |
| 02:13.51 | liable | no, i mean thats when it releases. testing is always the pre release cycle |
| 02:14.04 | liable | its not like ubuntu at all |
| 02:14.06 | abrotman | the freeze starts in march ... maybe |
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| 02:20.27 | linuxguy | abrotman: is it worth upgrading and using squeeze now to see what to expect? |
| 02:21.02 | abrotman | linuxguy: depends how much instability you can handle |
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| 02:22.39 | linuxguy | abrotman: yes i now.Im actually doing the upgrade now over a fully updated lenny install.i know how to revert back to lenny if i dont like what i see |
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| 02:23.25 | abrotman | downgrade not supported |
| 02:25.05 | jpinx-eeepc | does stuff "look" different in squeeze? I thought it just falls over sometimes |
| 02:26.44 | liable | kde4 i guess |
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| 02:26.59 | jpinx-eeepc | shudders |
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| 02:30.14 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: you're knowledgeable about networking - I'd like to connect my old laptop to my eeepc with a crossed ethernet cable and use that for logging in to the broadcast gdm on the eeepc. That way I will be able to configure the wifi on the old laptop separately and maybe set up an adhoc wifi lan. Any pointers?> |
| 02:31.35 | liable | hmm, not really :) |
| 02:31.38 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: many wired NICs now do the mdi/mdx stuff |
| 02:31.53 | liable | wtf is mdi/mdx? |
| 02:32.05 | abrotman | it autosenses and will cross it for you |
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| 02:32.15 | liable | ah right, yeah |
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| 02:32.23 | linuxguy | abrotman: is it possible \ worthwhile just to update the kernel in lenny at all.or just not worth the effort? |
| 02:32.33 | abrotman | linuxguy: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 02:34.52 | linuxguy | abrotman: and using that deb http etc will get me a more recent kernel? |
| 02:34.53 | jpinx-eeepc | linuxguy: ask yourself "why" you want to go to squeeze or whatever? |
| 02:35.19 | abrotman | linuxguy: backports.org has a newer kernel |
| 02:35.25 | jpinx-eeepc | linuxguy: if it's for more recent versions of pkgs - use backports |
| 02:35.55 | linuxguy | jpinx-eeepc: i already have.i want to see what its like thats all just curious |
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| 02:36.29 | jmarsden | linuxguy: Then run Squeeze in a virtual machine, or set it up on a spare physical machine. But don't mix the two together... |
| 02:36.33 | jpinx-eeepc | linuxguy: fairysnuff - but be aware that it might well break and downgrading is not an option |
| 02:36.47 | paultag | Hey guys, I need some help with Alioth, does anyone use git + Alioth? |
| 02:37.28 | jmarsden | paultag: You might want to ask in #debina-mentors for that if noone here responds. |
| 02:37.38 | jmarsden | * #debian-mentors |
| 02:37.39 | abrotman | there is an alioth channel on oftc |
| 02:37.43 | paultag | thank you jmarsden :) I'll be sure do to that |
| 02:37.47 | liable | paultag: http://wiki.debian.org/Alioth/Git |
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| 02:37.58 | paultag | abrotman, yeah, I checked on freenode, but I keep forgetting deb is not Freenode |
| 02:38.14 | paultag | liable, I've read that quite a few times -- I am trying to work out how to use my SSH key + Git |
| 02:38.30 | paultag | liable, I'm getting hooked up with a upstream project and I'm in a bit over my head :) |
| 02:38.45 | liable | paultag: shouldn't be hard, whats the problem? |
| 02:39.13 | abrotman | he can't figure it out :) |
| 02:39.29 | paultag | liable, I really do not know how to use Git well enough. I've tried tweeking my ssh config file to auto-use my SSH key for deb stuff, but it's prompting a password on connect when I use my username ( via a SSH clone path ) |
| 02:39.38 | paultag | abrotman, :) those damn Ubuntu folk, eh? |
| 02:39.43 | linuxguy | jpinx-eeepc: thanks |
| 02:39.51 | linuxguy | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:40.00 | liable | i thought alioth changed to keys only? |
| 02:40.03 | jpinx-eeepc | yw |
| 02:40.04 | abrotman | paultag: i never said a word ... |
| 02:40.37 | linuxguy | >>will take note of the upgarde to squeeze.if it falls down.i know what to do now thanks :) |
| 02:40.40 | paultag | abrotman, I noticed, a rarity :) |
| 02:40.41 | liable | paultag: and your key is in ~/.ssh |
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| 02:40.45 | paultag | liable, yes |
| 02:40.52 | paultag | liable, and perms are 100% spot on |
| 02:41.16 | liable | paultag: and you gave alioth your pubkey via the web page? |
| 02:41.26 | paultag | liable, yeah, it's in there, and they match |
| 02:41.37 | abrotman | so what doesn't work ? |
| 02:41.56 | paultag | abrotman, I'm a git n00b -- working out Git + alioth |
| 02:42.17 | liable | paultag: does ssh'ing into your account ask for a password? |
| 02:42.25 | paultag | liable, good question -- let me check |
| 02:42.43 | liable | it doesn't sound like a git issue |
| 02:43.03 | paultag | Yeah it is. Problem is on my end. Let me tripple check my setup liable -- Thank you :) |
| 02:43.15 | liable | np |
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| 02:53.11 | paultag | liable, I have it resolved, thanks a ton :) |
| 02:53.22 | liable | no worries |
| 02:54.31 | abrotman | makes fun of the ubuntu user .. |
| 02:59.31 | xNinja | whats the name of that day in spanish which they release bulls on the street |
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| 03:00.40 | liable | i thought it was just running of the bulls |
| 03:00.44 | liable | ask google |
| 03:02.36 | prince_jammys | "El Dia de los Prehistoricos" |
| 03:02.59 | prince_jammys | ... con tendencias suicida |
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| 03:09.48 | xNinja | thats so funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qVhu7b_WVs |
| 03:10.53 | abrotman | xNinja: #debian-offtopic |
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| 03:12.34 | liable | yeah, your making it hard for me to keep up with the support questions! ;) |
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| 03:12.59 | liable | screen is scrolling too fast with all the useless chatter |
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| 03:16.10 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 03:16.10 | dpkg | <Cyph_> i'm stoned, but the segfaults are real abrotman |
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| 03:16.52 | linuxguy | anyone tried LXDE with Debian yet? |
| 03:16.59 | liable | yeah |
| 03:17.09 | markybob | !anyone |
| 03:17.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 03:17.10 | liable | had it on my eee |
| 03:17.27 | linuxguy | works real fast even on my 3ghz 5yr old sempron! |
| 03:18.10 | linuxguy | me finks bot needs some training.asked a valid question |
| 03:18.16 | smacnay | linuxguy, yes - works very nicely. |
| 03:19.51 | Linuturk | what are some notable large deployments of debian in an enterprise setting? |
| 03:19.55 | linuxguy | smacnay: i have it as an option as well as kde, reason being is that i want to see lxde is like with now the old kde 3.5.9 |
| 03:21.45 | smacnay | yes, I played with it a bit but still go back to gnome - my hw is fairly decent so gnome runs well |
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| 03:22.02 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/users/ |
| 03:22.19 | liable | was just trying to find that page.. |
| 03:22.42 | liable | can never find what i'm after on that damn website |
| 03:23.05 | abrotman | liable: google "who is using Debian" |
| 03:23.22 | linuxguy | is not agnome fan |
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| 03:26.11 | linuxguy | >wasnt expecting compiz to work while upgarding to squeeze |
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| 03:27.40 | jpinx-eeepc | pokes linuxguy with his lxde |
| 03:29.23 | linuxguy | only 20 mins or so left for upgrade..started over 2hrs ago.1.2gb upgarde! |
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| 03:30.37 | Linuturk | abrotman: I didn't really see any big names on the list |
| 03:31.11 | abrotman | Linuturk: probably depends on your locale .. also just because people aren't listed doesn't mean they don't exist as Debian large installs |
| 03:31.46 | abrotman | also depends how you define "large" i suppose |
| 03:31.57 | liable | what does it matter? |
| 03:32.21 | abrotman | he's asking .. not me |
| 03:32.35 | liable | i was asking him, not you |
| 03:32.41 | abrotman | don't make fun of me! |
| 03:32.57 | liable | its hard not to! |
| 03:33.00 | Linuturk | well, you see rhel/centos in very large deployments. the "big boys" use it, so to speak |
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| 03:33.40 | liable | the "big boys" usually want to have a support service the can whine to when things break. |
| 03:33.45 | tenzind | www.debian.org takes ages to load .. anybody face the same thing? |
| 03:34.02 | tensorpudding | loads fine for me |
| 03:34.13 | tensorpudding | maybe it is cached |
| 03:34.13 | linuxguy | fine for me to |
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| 03:34.52 | abrotman | tenzind: it's a geoip thing IIRC .. we won't have the same results |
| 03:35.11 | linuxguy | is running 2 pcs.squueeze upgrade, here and watching nasa tv |
| 03:35.13 | abrotman | Linuturk: i'll say it again .. not everyone is listed there .. my company isn't, we use Debian |
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| 03:35.52 | Linuturk | abrotman: do you have experiece with the rhel side? what are some differences you see in administration between the two? |
| 03:36.00 | Linuturk | two families so to speak |
| 03:36.12 | abrotman | Linuturk: IMO, Debian is far easier |
| 03:36.15 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm about ready to rip my hair out over ivtv |
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| 03:36.18 | abrotman | Linuturk: moment .. |
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| 03:36.23 | Seth_Hikaru | I can't install it. |
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| 03:36.48 | Seth_Hikaru | It keeps telling me its already installed when number when my card doesn't even show up |
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| 03:37.02 | liable | huh? |
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| 03:37.11 | Seth_Hikaru | number one* |
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| 03:37.25 | liable | whats going on here.. |
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| 03:37.48 | jpinx-eeepc | freenode-itis - it's been bad all week |
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| 03:38.09 | Seth_Hikaru | more like freenode servers are on there last legs |
| 03:38.26 | liable | been a dcc attack |
| 03:38.47 | Seth_Hikaru | I seriously don't understand why they don't drop people who keep disconnecting and causing this |
| 03:39.02 | Seth_Hikaru | it would be so much simpler |
| 03:39.04 | jpinx-eeepc | they've been wwarding of some sort of dos attacks I think |
| 03:39.14 | abrotman | Linuturk: granted, i've been a Debian user for a long time .. but i find it to be so much easier .. i've been trying to help my brother with CentOS stuff, and maybe it's unfamiliarity .. but it's not nearly as easy IMO |
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| 03:39.41 | Seth_Hikaru | why would anyone ddos freenode it equals nothing on the grand schemes of things in the world |
| 03:39.50 | ubsafder | how is a LSB fields written ? |
| 03:39.54 | Linuturk | people get bored |
| 03:39.56 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: ask #freenode |
| 03:39.58 | Seth_Hikaru | no one would waste such pointless time on freenode |
| 03:40.03 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: ask #freenode |
| 03:40.19 | liable | they do.. quite often |
| 03:40.21 | Seth_Hikaru | now i can see a bot net doing it |
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| 03:40.30 | Linuturk | abrotman: what are some of the things that bother you about centos stuff? just the layout? |
| 03:40.48 | Seth_Hikaru | does anyone have a pvr-150 installed in debian? |
| 03:40.51 | abrotman | Linuturk: configurations .. package management .. quality of software |
| 03:40.54 | Xenguy | Linuturk: debian is like vim - it just gets into your blood :P |
| 03:41.09 | ubsafder | i have some custom scripts looks like they are not compliant to lastest boot script standard but i can't find any sample of LSB fields |
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| 03:41.19 | tensorpudding | sounds like a viral infection |
| 03:41.30 | Xenguy | exactly ;-) |
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| 03:41.34 | Linuturk | one of the big things I'm looking at debian for is kvm. isn't red hat doing the kvm development now? |
| 03:41.40 | Seth_Hikaru | yes |
| 03:41.41 | tensorpudding | just like vim |
| 03:41.42 | Linuturk | or, contributing strongly to kvm |
| 03:41.46 | Seth_Hikaru | both |
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| 03:42.09 | Xenguy | .oO(language is a virus) |
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| 03:45.02 | Seth_Hikaru | 'm having trouble getting my Hauppage PVR-150 working in Debian Lenny amd64 and I'm really desperate for help. |
| 03:46.24 | dclarke | I need a driver for a MPC52xx ATA controller because the Debian 5.0.3 installer can not detect any disks during install. Is there a way that I can copy the driver from a USB key to my machine during the install phase ? |
| 03:46.24 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: you need to learn how to ask a better questoin |
| 03:46.25 | abrotman | dclarke: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 03:46.30 | abrotman | assuming it's in a newer kernel |
| 03:46.33 | dclarke | abrotman: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 03:46.58 | abrotman | dclarke: i'm not a bot |
| 03:46.58 | dclarke | abrotman: sorry .. I thought the kernel in the 5.0.3 installer would be pretty recent |
| 03:47.07 | dclarke | abrotman: no no .. I knew |
| 03:47.09 | liable | prove it!! |
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| 03:47.11 | Seth_Hikaru | abrotman I clearly stated what I am having trouble with. |
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| 03:47.22 | dclarke | abrotman: yes .. a turing test is required but that is another discussion |
| 03:47.26 | liable | s/clearly/vaguely/ |
| 03:47.37 | abrotman | Seth_Hikaru: what about it doesn't work ? |
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| 03:47.53 | abrotman | liable: i bleed oil ? |
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| 03:48.04 | Seth_Hikaru | it shows up in hardware but i cant get it to output |
| 03:48.25 | Seth_Hikaru | well pull a signal off of it |
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| 03:48.45 | liable | with what software? |
| 03:48.51 | Seth_Hikaru | ivtv |
| 03:48.52 | liable | try mplayer or tvtime |
| 03:49.00 | Seth_Hikaru | what about vlc? |
| 03:49.06 | Seth_Hikaru | It should work |
| 03:49.08 | liable | dunno |
| 03:49.11 | Seth_Hikaru | It's supported |
| 03:49.13 | abrotman | or argue ... |
| 03:49.18 | liable | never used vlc for tv card |
| 03:49.20 | dclarke | abrotman: bad news, sorry to say this is a PowerPC machine |
| 03:49.29 | Xenguy | gasp |
| 03:49.32 | abrotman | dclarke: ah .. for a server or workstatoin ? |
| 03:49.36 | liable | a new one? |
| 03:49.42 | dclarke | abrotman: therefore I think I may need to do something really difficult |
| 03:49.46 | Seth_Hikaru | ok fine ill try something else |
| 03:49.53 | cafuego | Seth_Hikaru: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-150 |
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| 03:50.17 | dclarke | abrotman: well, to me it makes little diff, it will be a server for the most part with only a DEC VT100 term ( LINK MC-5 or cyclades terminal server ) connected to it |
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| 03:50.29 | abrotman | dclarke: but externally accessible? |
| 03:50.34 | dclarke | abrotman: oh yes .. very |
| 03:50.37 | abrotman | as in .. do you care about security support ? |
| 03:50.46 | dclarke | abrotman: it has a network interface and that is supported |
| 03:50.59 | abrotman | dclarke: i mean, on the internet ? |
| 03:51.03 | dclarke | abrotman: well, it will be ddirectly connected to the internet , no firewall or anything |
| 03:51.16 | abrotman | awesome .. squeeze is out of the question |
| 03:51.20 | dclarke | abrotman: it has a dedicated ip and hostname in the DNS |
| 03:51.38 | dclarke | "squeeze is out" <-- sorry ? squeeze ? |
| 03:51.53 | dclarke | I'll assume that was a potential solution that .. well, now we can not do |
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| 03:52.24 | dclarke | let me try a different approach |
| 03:52.26 | abrotman | dclarke: it's the 'testing' version .. basically no real security support |
| 03:52.31 | linuxguy | dclarke: sqeeze testing version for debian 6 out mid 2010 |
| 03:52.36 | dclarke | abrotman: oh .. well, thats out |
| 03:52.38 | abrotman | dclarke: does the controller have some sort of legacy setting ? |
| 03:52.46 | dclarke | abrotman: legacy .. no |
| 03:52.54 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 03:52.54 | dpkg | To create customized Debian <netinst> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD . Also ask me about <kmuto>. |
| 03:53.00 | dclarke | abrotman: this is a FreeScale SoC embedded system |
| 03:53.18 | dclarke | abrotman: in fact .. you have seen it before but probably would not recall .. it has been years |
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| 03:54.42 | abrotman | dclarke: that thing again?! |
| 03:54.55 | abrotman | runs away in horror |
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| 03:55.05 | dclarke | abrotman: well ... the disk was dying |
| 03:55.09 | abrotman | dclarke: can you follow the above to make your own custom netinst with a newer kernel ? |
| 03:55.17 | dclarke | abrotman: so I decided to install a new disk and thus a new OS |
| 03:55.28 | peope | Just to check. If you want to run 64 bit... you would use the i386 port, right? |
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| 03:55.37 | abrotman | peope: for a desktop ? |
| 03:55.41 | peope | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:55.46 | dclarke | abrotman: well, I'll probably revert back to the Debian 4.0 that was on it and perhaps try to build forwards from there .. but the disk is dying |
| 03:55.53 | jmarsden | peope: No, i386 is 32bit, amd64 is 64bit |
| 03:55.59 | nvz | for a minute there I thought your nick was "pope" |
| 03:55.59 | abrotman | peope: if you want 64bit, you use amd64, if you don't care, i386 would have less hassle |
| 03:56.11 | nvz | I was like, oh.. no shit.. the pope uses debian? |
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| 03:56.30 | peope | Well.. I have intel i7 860 with 8 gig ram |
| 03:56.32 | liable | dclarke: eh? so an older kernel works on it? |
| 03:56.42 | dclarke | liable: rock solid |
| 03:56.50 | abrotman | so it's a regression ? |
| 03:56.51 | dclarke | liable: has for years |
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| 03:57.03 | nvz | anywho I mostly came here to pick dpkg's brain.. so I'm gonna /msg that old crazy bot |
| 03:57.07 | liable | dclarke: do you know what driver it uses? |
| 03:57.17 | dclarke | well ... yes |
| 03:57.28 | peope | What port would be the appropriate port for an intel i7 860 system with 8 gig ram? |
| 03:57.36 | liable | dclarke: google or check the kernel changelog for that module |
| 03:57.39 | jmarsden | peope: amd64 |
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| 03:57.50 | peope | jmarsden: even though it is not amd? |
| 03:57.51 | nvz | well thats not a good sign. I asked dpkg about "iegd" and he says "are you using windows, nvz?" |
| 03:57.54 | jmarsden | peope: Yes |
| 03:58.19 | jmarsden | peope: amd64 is the name of the instruction set, works on Intel and AMD 64bit processors just fine. |
| 03:58.19 | abrotman | i386 would also work with 8GB RAM |
| 03:58.22 | peope | jmarsden: ok... thank you kindly :) |
| 03:59.11 | jmarsden | peope: You're welcome. |
| 03:59.29 | peope | abrotman: are there any downsides to using the i386 port with that amount of ram? |
| 03:59.37 | dclarke | sort of .. I made a full backup to tarballs before yanking the old disk and so I can easily extract info from them. I know that it is a MPC5200B based SoC processor and thus the controller is a MPC52xx driver |
| 03:59.46 | abrotman | peope: not really, unless yu're planning to actually use all the RAM ? |
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| 03:59.50 | jpinx-eeepc | I've made an entry in /etc/network/interfaces eth0 is allwed hotplug and has an address 192.168.9.9. Do I have to configure /etc/network/interfaces in the client as well to get a login? |
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| 04:00.02 | peope | abrotman: I really plan to use all the ram, yes :) |
| 04:00.08 | abrotman | peope: oracle server ? |
| 04:00.17 | liable | just using kde4 |
| 04:00.18 | peope | abrotman: no? |
| 04:00.38 | abrotman | peope: i can't recall if the -bigmem kernels hold any aside for addressing like PAE stuff .. but there is also the -amd64 kernels in i386 |
| 04:00.42 | peope | virtualisation e.g. |
| 04:00.52 | abrotman | peope: kvm? vmware? |
| 04:01.10 | peope | abrotman: virtualbox and qemu |
| 04:01.14 | dclarke | utters damn |
| 04:01.37 | abrotman | peope: FWIW, i have an i386 machine with 8GB of RAM and i believe it's all addressable (can't check from here) |
| 04:01.53 | dclarke | at the risk of inserting noise into this busy chan, there is no shortage of code in the kernel regarding the MPC52xx line of chips |
| 04:01.59 | dclarke | such as http://www.kernel.org/pub//scm/linux/kernel/git/jejb/merge-tree/arch/powerpc/platforms/52xx/mpc52xx_common.c |
| 04:02.02 | peope | abrotman: ok.. thank you kindly for your input :) |
| 04:02.09 | peope | I'll try the amd64 port though :) |
| 04:02.18 | abrotman | have fun! |
| 04:02.22 | dclarke | the dir is http://www.kernel.org/pub//scm/linux/kernel/git/jejb/merge-tree/arch/powerpc/platforms/52xx/ |
| 04:02.25 | peope | abrotman: alsays :D |
| 04:02.27 | liable | dclarke: doe the changelog for it say anything interesting? |
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| 04:02.39 | dclarke | I'm looking to see if it was ever backed out |
| 04:03.01 | liable | it would be unusual |
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| 04:04.18 | nvz | Who wants to let nvz in on the big secret of WHERE THE HELL his xorg config is anymore? heh. I notice in newer versions of debian its like there is no config file or something.. |
| 04:04.27 | abrotman | nvz: not needed usually |
| 04:04.28 | liable | correct |
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| 04:04.45 | massmc | hi, where is the config file for wu-ftp? |
| 04:04.51 | nvz | abrotman: well I wanna try some different options to attempt to get better performance out of my intel 945GME |
| 04:04.53 | dclarke | liable: there are a number of commits in 2.6.27.24 |
| 04:05.04 | abrotman | nvz: X -configure .. will generate one .. have fun |
| 04:05.04 | nvz | abrotman: XAA among others, seems I am using EXA now |
| 04:05.10 | liable | dclarke: current stable has 2.6.26 |
| 04:05.25 | nvz | abrotman: k. |
| 04:05.30 | dclarke | liable: in fact .. no shortage of commits in http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.25.14 |
| 04:05.53 | dclarke | Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> |
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| 04:06.11 | dclarke | so .. I think the mpc52xx driver *should* be in avail |
| 04:06.16 | abrotman | wtf does he think he is?! |
| 04:06.21 | dclarke | its just a question of building it |
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| 04:06.34 | dclarke | abrotman: dunno .. his name is all over the changelogs |
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| 04:06.45 | liable | dclarke: when it finds no disks, does the installer ask you to pick a driver? |
| 04:06.46 | dclarke | him and Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> |
| 04:06.51 | abrotman | freaks! |
| 04:06.51 | nvz | also does anyone know about IEGD, the intel embedded graphics driver? I heard people using that on netbooks and claiming to get good results.. though near as I can tell the code is not available to build a driver for linux if your platform is not supported. |
| 04:06.51 | dclarke | yes |
| 04:07.03 | liable | and picking that one still fails? |
| 04:07.06 | dclarke | abrotman: I kow .. they love to have their names here and there |
| 04:07.15 | dclarke | liable: ummm .. I don't see it in the list |
| 04:07.24 | dclarke | liable: one sec .. I have the monitor up right now |
| 04:07.28 | dclarke | terminal I mean |
| 04:07.30 | dclarke | let me see |
| 04:07.53 | dclarke | liable: I am in the stage where the installer does "detecting disks" |
| 04:08.10 | liable | its odd that its not autoloading it.. |
| 04:08.17 | dclarke | liable: the mpc52xx is not in the list |
| 04:08.50 | dclarke | liable: this machine, right now, it plugged directly into the internet on a nice fast switch, so in theory I could easily download it |
| 04:09.02 | linuxguy | abrotman: i see what you mean about upgrading.to squeeze did all the upgardes.1567 i think, and 1.6gb.came to answer questions and keyboard doesnt work!....i will put lenny 5.03 back on now later |
| 04:09.27 | dclarke | however when I switch to pseudo terminal 2 .. I do not see the ability to do things like ftp or such |
| 04:09.30 | abrotman | linuxguy: or you could try to figure out why it doesn't work |
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| 04:09.47 | abrotman | linuxguy: and doesn't work where ? |
| 04:09.49 | goose | http://notalwaysright.com/when-open-source-meets-closed-minds/3305 |
| 04:09.51 | abrotman | linuxguy: can you ssh in ? |
| 04:09.52 | dclarke | darn .. the driver is just not there in the 5.0.3 installer |
| 04:09.58 | abrotman | goose: spam somewhere else |
| 04:10.10 | dclarke | shoots goose for dinner |
| 04:10.17 | goose | abrotman: it's debian related :^) |
| 04:10.24 | goose | thought you'd enjoy a small chuckle |
| 04:10.31 | abrotman | goose: debian support related? go somewhere else |
| 04:10.38 | mercutio22 | is it possible to insert a command to rebuild a standard xorg.conf? |
| 04:10.41 | dclarke | right now I'd enjoy a bootable machine |
| 04:10.50 | abrotman | get your boots on |
| 04:11.05 | dclarke | ha |
| 04:11.11 | goose | in a way, yes, abrotman. no need to be so angry angry about it. |
| 04:11.14 | dclarke | yeah ... I don't think I'll kick this |
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| 04:12.25 | linuxguy | abrotman: the keyboard didnt work.ive got all the files on the pc now.and rebooted it.im still at the 2.26.6 kernel |
| 04:12.35 | dclarke | key question : I clearly need the mpc52xx ata driver, it is not in the PPC installer, am I screwed and must go back to Debian 4.0 and build my own kernel there? |
| 04:12.36 | abrotman | linuxguy: doesn't work where ? |
| 04:13.46 | linuxguy | abrotman the keyboard didnt work after i dled the upgrade on the squeeze upgrade.but now it works and i am still using the 2.26.6 kernel |
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| 04:14.02 | abrotman | in X? or at the console? |
| 04:14.24 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm trying to get an ethernet to usb converter to work, I created eth1 in interfaces, but when I plug in I get this http://pastebin.com/f49408a9b |
| 04:14.24 | liable | dclarke: the only mpc module i see in 2.6.30 is mpc264 |
| 04:14.40 | abrotman | linuxguy: there is a difference .. that's why i'm asking |
| 04:14.47 | liable | jpinx-eeepc: thats a dud link |
| 04:15.03 | dclarke | liable: I was looking at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.25.14 among others |
| 04:15.59 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: sorry mis-transcribed http://pastebin.com/f45408a9b |
| 04:16.04 | linuxguy | abrotman: its ok.keyboard is now working again and after typing in aptiude update its now updating to squeeze |
| 04:16.15 | dclarke | liable: I currently have 2.6.26-2-powerpc |
| 04:16.16 | abrotman | okay then |
| 04:16.39 | linuxguy | whats this thanksgiving thingy is usa? |
| 04:16.43 | liable | jpinx-eeepc: whats wrong with that? |
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| 04:17.03 | orudie | Hi all, trying to setup postfix/dovecot, and kind of stuck |
| 04:17.22 | abrotman | stuck? |
| 04:17.47 | orudie | yeah, i have drupal installed and it seems like mail is sending out |
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| 04:18.08 | orudie | but now i'm trying to set up thunderbird with a user account |
| 04:18.21 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: I'm trying to get it to connect by crossed cable to the eeepc -- they're both plugged in |
| 04:18.24 | orudie | also, its not creating /maildir after adding a new user |
| 04:18.53 | liable | jpinx-eeepc: so give them both ip's and set the routes |
| 04:19.11 | abrotman | orudie: IIRC that only happens when they get mail |
| 04:19.12 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: it's eth0 on teh eeepc and it's up, but it has to be eth1 in the toshlappy 'cos eth0 is in use |
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| 04:19.33 | smacnay | Anyone using debian sid have some updates being witheld for some time now? |
| 04:19.35 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: ah - set the routes sounds like it - which files? |
| 04:19.44 | liable | jpinx-eeepc: man route |
| 04:19.45 | abrotman | smacnay: tried 'full-upgrade'? |
| 04:19.53 | jpinx-eeepc | liable: cool - thanks |
| 04:20.08 | smacnay | abrotman, I will try it with -s and see what it says will break |
| 04:20.40 | liable | dclarke: in vt2 of the installer, have a poke around in /lib/modules |
| 04:20.40 | orudie | ok i just sent mail to one of the users while watching mail.log with tail -f mail.log and there is no activity |
| 04:21.04 | liable | dclarke: though i dont see that driver mention in kernel-wedge.. |
| 04:21.06 | abrotman | orudie: did you get a reject mail ? |
| 04:21.29 | smacnay | abrotman, there are a few dependencies that are unsatisfied so none of the 9 updates will be installed. |
| 04:21.33 | orudie | abrotman, nope |
| 04:21.34 | smacnay | abrotman, thanks anyway |
| 04:21.56 | abrotman | smacnay: you can explicitly install the ones that are held back to see which can be satisfied |
| 04:21.59 | orudie | whats weired is that i cant telnet mail.mydomain 25 |
| 04:22.18 | abrotman | orudie: firewall? netstat -plunt .. do you see anyything listening ? |
| 04:22.21 | dclarke | liable: one sec .. I'm going to fetch linux-2.6.31.6 and look in the source |
| 04:22.28 | orudie | however nmap shows port 25 open |
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| 04:23.46 | orudie | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:25 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 30667/master |
| 04:23.58 | liable | firewall? |
| 04:24.14 | orudie | i don't believe there is firewall |
| 04:24.32 | liable | what does telnet say? |
| 04:24.35 | abrotman | this is a good thing to know .. |
| 04:25.10 | orudie | well should i try telnet mail.mydomain.com 25 or telnet mydomain.com 25 ? |
| 04:25.17 | abrotman | telnet IP 25 |
| 04:25.43 | liable | cant find domain name IP |
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| 04:26.35 | abrotman | waits for "telnet 0.0.0.0 25" ... |
| 04:27.42 | orudie | actually it connects for a second, then says Escape character is '^]'. |
| 04:27.42 | orudie | Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 04:27.51 | orudie | and disconnects me right away |
| 04:27.56 | orudie | i tried telnet IP 25 |
| 04:27.58 | liable | so look in mail.log |
| 04:28.53 | orudie | ok let me pastebin, lots of activity there mostly about certs |
| 04:29.02 | liable | do not want |
| 04:29.22 | orudie | ? |
| 04:29.56 | orudie | liable, do not want to see the pastebin ? :) |
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| 04:30.11 | liable | heh, i dont want to look at your mail logs :P i fucking hate screweing around with MTA's. they drive me nuts |
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| 04:30.20 | abrotman | argghhh |
| 04:30.44 | liable | stomps on abrotman's foot again |
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| 04:30.59 | orudie | guys I think the problem is that I didnt set up my certs correctly |
| 04:31.10 | orudie | at least thats what mail.log is complaining about |
| 04:31.33 | liable | alright, paste it.. |
| 04:31.46 | abrotman | maybe you should try to do the MTA without certs first ? |
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| 04:32.49 | orudie | http://pastebin.com/m4bb12e0e |
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| 04:33.37 | liable | yes, looks like you need to fix that.. |
| 04:33.51 | liable | theres a good postfix tute at workaround.org |
| 04:34.11 | abrotman | he should be making it work without certs first |
| 04:34.25 | liable | tell him.. |
| 04:34.33 | abrotman | i did above |
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| 04:55.06 | orudie | abrotman, liable So I'm really not sure where to start to troubleshoot my problem. This is the second time in my life i'm setting up MTA and Mail server |
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| 04:56.20 | mercutio22 | hello guys. I am having trouble automounting my external hard drive. Error message says cannot get volume.fstype.alternative |
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| 04:57.33 | orudie | mail.log gives a bunch of errors about certs and I have no clue how to fix it |
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| 05:01.00 | orudie | will mail work even without certs ? |
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| 05:03.10 | orudie | i'm stuck and have no idea where to start to look |
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| 05:07.43 | dclarke | okay .. I'm back on 2.6.19 now .. and it runs fine |
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| 05:08.47 | dclarke | I'm not much of a Linux guru .. how do I see the modules/drivers currently loaded here ? |
| 05:09.23 | cydork | dclarke, lsmod? |
| 05:09.24 | dclarke | liable: ping |
| 05:09.26 | dclarke | cat /proc/interrupts |
| 05:09.31 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:09.34 | dclarke | 129: 684 MPC52xx Peripherals Edge mpc52xx_psc_uart |
| 05:09.36 | dclarke | etc etc |
| 05:09.46 | dclarke | there is that MPC52xx driver |
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| 05:10.34 | dclarke | what was that ? |
| 05:10.52 | dclarke | bloody hell a guy puts a few lines into IRC and gets kicked |
| 05:10.56 | cydork | !paste |
| 05:10.56 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 05:11.03 | dclarke | rright .. 2 lines |
| 05:11.05 | dclarke | geez |
| 05:11.18 | dclarke | anyways .. lsmod shows nothing but ipv6 |
| 05:11.38 | dclarke | what I need is this MPC52xx driver bit |
| 05:11.49 | dclarke | I wonder if I can lift it from here and use it during installation |
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| 05:12.29 | simonrvn | try modprobing it |
| 05:12.36 | cydork | you mean snd-mpc52xx-ac97? |
| 05:12.50 | dclarke | cydork: not sure .. |
| 05:13.03 | dclarke | I was about to get all radical and just build a whole new kernel |
| 05:13.17 | simonrvn | uart... sounds like serial |
| 05:13.31 | cydork | dclarke, now days you don't get leet points for doing that.. |
| 05:13.33 | dclarke | -bash: modprobe: command not found |
| 05:13.51 | dclarke | cydork: I don't want leeks .. I want a driver |
| 05:14.13 | simonrvn | /sbin/ |
| 05:14.34 | dclarke | whoa |
| 05:14.34 | cydork | dclarke, are you root? |
| 05:14.40 | dclarke | modprobe -c is pretty big |
| 05:14.48 | dclarke | cydork: not at the moment .. but I can be |
| 05:15.05 | dclarke | am now |
| 05:15.09 | dclarke | vesta:~# |
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| 05:15.23 | dclarke | what's on your mind .. a special leek trick ? |
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| 05:15.54 | simonrvn | moprobe -l | grep mpc52xx |
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| 05:16.06 | simonrvn | (btw don't need root to do that) |
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| 05:16.17 | dclarke | returns nothing |
| 05:16.26 | k\t | does anyone know what packages are needed to get glx (3d accleration) running on debian, 2.6.30-2-amd64? |
| 05:16.44 | simonrvn | sounds like you'll have to build yourself one anyway |
| 05:16.53 | dclarke | simonrvn: feels that way more and more |
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| 05:17.01 | simonrvn | k\t: depends on your video card... |
| 05:17.05 | nsadmin | k\t perhaps you have to support your video card |
| 05:17.14 | k\t | radeon, r7xx |
| 05:17.16 | saptech | hello all |
| 05:17.29 | dclarke | I'm going to assume that the way to build the linux kernel has not been changed too much over the years and there is still a readme |
| 05:17.33 | dclarke | I hope |
| 05:17.36 | simonrvn | radeon X driver, IIRC |
| 05:17.40 | simonrvn | dclarke: yes |
| 05:17.43 | simonrvn | !k-p |
| 05:17.43 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 05:17.47 | k\t | iirc? |
| 05:17.57 | dclarke | hold it .. can't I just do a pkg magic update special jedi foo command and get a new kernel ? |
| 05:18.02 | k\t | so xserver-xorg-video-radeon |
| 05:18.03 | simonrvn | !k-p =~ s,apt-get,aptitude, |
| 05:18.03 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'apt-get', simonrvn |
| 05:18.35 | simonrvn | dpkg: kiss my ass |
| 05:18.35 | dpkg | smooches my ass on the forehead |
| 05:18.42 | dclarke | ha ha ha |
| 05:18.43 | liable | dclarke: i reckon your best bet is to install with the installer that worked (just base system) then upgrade |
| 05:18.44 | dclarke | oh hell |
| 05:18.47 | dclarke | that's funny |
| 05:19.04 | dclarke | liable: well ... my real issue is that I have a dying disk |
| 05:19.05 | k\t | question?: so now my kernel is faulty because my computer will _freeze_ when starting X? |
| 05:19.18 | k\t | (( with the radeon driver )) |
| 05:19.20 | liable | dclarke: disk or controller? |
| 05:19.28 | simonrvn | k\t: you have other issues then |
| 05:19.32 | dclarke | I think if I knew more about Linux ( I am a Solaris guy by trade ) then I'd do a backup a restore on a new disk and I'm done |
| 05:19.40 | k\t | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.43 | dclarke | liable: disk |
| 05:19.52 | dclarke | liable: the controller is solid |
| 05:20.03 | liable | dclarke: so just replace it. |
| 05:20.16 | dclarke | uh .. |
| 05:20.20 | dclarke | I have the new disk here |
| 05:20.22 | dclarke | but |
| 05:20.39 | dclarke | the issue is how to get all the data/binaries/partitions from old disk to new disk |
| 05:20.42 | dclarke | that is the issue |
| 05:21.03 | dclarke | and its non-trivial unless you can tell me that tar/star will do the trick with all metadata intact etc |
| 05:21.25 | liable | you can partition the new one however you want, copy the shit over, run grub and be happy? |
| 05:21.33 | dclarke | copy .. how |
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| 05:21.43 | dclarke | there is one disk .. this is not an x86 machine |
| 05:21.52 | dclarke | it is a PowerPC embedded piece of hardware |
| 05:22.01 | dclarke | so one can not "copy" anything from a disk to disk |
| 05:22.11 | liable | well, sucks to be you then.. |
| 05:22.17 | dclarke | :-P |
| 05:22.20 | dclarke | nice |
| 05:22.22 | dclarke | yes |
| 05:22.27 | dclarke | welcome to my world |
| 05:22.29 | k\t | ok, then that would be... radeonhd _does_ start, but X failed to load GLX and DRI because (module does not exist, 0).... |
| 05:22.49 | k\t | wait..... |
| 05:22.55 | simonrvn | apt-cache search gl mesa |
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| 05:23.50 | cydork | dclarke, are you using efika or something? |
| 05:24.00 | dclarke | cydork: exactly |
| 05:24.13 | dclarke | it is an efika |
| 05:24.13 | simonrvn | dclarke: as for you, grep in /boot/config-$(uname -r) for that driver |
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| 05:24.28 | cydork | dclarke, aah don't they provide kernel modules? |
| 05:24.29 | simonrvn | mpc52xx |
| 05:25.15 | dclarke | cydork: the kernel modules are buildable and there is no "they" anymore |
| 05:25.28 | dclarke | also, there is no /boot/config-$(uname -r) area |
| 05:25.52 | simonrvn | not a debian kernel then.. |
| 05:25.58 | k\t | can i raise a suggestion simonrvn?: if i use libgl2-mesa-swx11... 3d acceleration will work but at very low rates. but if i use libgl-mesa-{glx,dri}, then it doesnt. |
| 05:26.05 | simonrvn | or built "the debian way" |
| 05:26.11 | dclarke | all I need to do is get a driver that will work with the new debian 5.0.3 installer CD and I'm laughing |
| 05:26.26 | simonrvn | k\t: swx11 == software x11 |
| 05:26.28 | k\t | simonrvn : if i run glxinfo... the error will say GLX, opcode failed. |
| 05:26.29 | dclarke | I ran the "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" thing |
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| 05:26.35 | k\t | simonrvn: i understand that.... |
| 05:26.56 | simonrvn | dclarke: ah i see where you're at now |
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| 05:27.24 | dclarke | simonrvn: I'm fully prepared to leave this old disk behind and wave goodbye and start fresh |
| 05:27.30 | simonrvn | dclarke: it's ppc right? so any ppc box will do for the build |
| 05:27.43 | dclarke | simonrvn: so if I cna build a driver and drop it on a USB Key .. I'm good to go probably |
| 05:27.55 | simonrvn | i'd try that first |
| 05:27.56 | dclarke | simonrvn: I can do the build with this right now .. I have it running |
| 05:28.06 | simonrvn | have fun then |
| 05:28.15 | k\t | i've also tried the wiki-X,radeon, and ati howtwos for both radeon and fglrx drivers... but still, no luck with the 64=bit system.... this would include dri, drm, mesa, and drivers from source. |
| 05:28.17 | dclarke | I just think to do it I need to match the version in the installer |
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| 05:28.23 | simonrvn | you'll probably need some kernel-headers-foo too |
| 05:28.23 | dclarke | which is .. geez .. I dunno |
| 05:28.31 | simonrvn | lenny's |
| 05:28.39 | ryan52 | if I boot up in single user mode, how do I switch to the "normal" mode? |
| 05:28.46 | liable | ryan52: telinit 2 |
| 05:28.48 | simonrvn | ryan52: exit it |
| 05:29.03 | ryan52 | simonrvn: I thought that shut it down...are you sure? |
| 05:29.16 | ryan52 | I suppose I could boot up another machine and test it... |
| 05:29.17 | dclarke | the current installer is 2.6.26-2-powerpc |
| 05:29.22 | dclarke | I better use exactly that version |
| 05:29.27 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 05:29.30 | ryan52 | okay, thanks. |
| 05:29.45 | simonrvn | otherwise you'll get version mismatches |
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| 05:30.58 | dclarke | hold it |
| 05:31.17 | dclarke | is 2.6.26-2-powerpc based on linux-2.6.26.2 or on linux-2.6.26 ? |
| 05:31.30 | dclarke | this could be tricky |
| 05:31.43 | simonrvn | latter, the -2 is debian versioning |
| 05:32.00 | dclarke | hits CTRL-C madly |
| 05:32.21 | dclarke | okay .. I'll fetch linux-2.6.26.tar.gz |
| 05:32.45 | dclarke | really .. if I can just build this one bloody driver and figure out how to tell the installer where to get it |
| 05:33.26 | dclarke | then I can write up a doc to tell the only other EFIKA user in the world how to install Debian 5.0.3 |
| 05:34.38 | liable | dclarke: did you look for pata-mpc52xx ? |
| 05:34.43 | liable | thats what its called now |
| 05:35.02 | liable | its in the 2.6.26-ppc kernel |
| 05:35.05 | dclarke | liable: well I just downloaded linux-2.6.26.tar.gz so I'll look in there |
| 05:35.11 | dclarke | oooh |
| 05:35.13 | dclarke | whoa |
| 05:35.24 | dclarke | you mean it may be in the installer after all |
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| 05:35.30 | liable | possibly |
| 05:35.31 | dclarke | oh crap .. I never say that |
| 05:35.35 | dclarke | oh crap .. I never saw that |
| 05:35.53 | dclarke | but I looked for *anything* that had mpc52 in it |
| 05:35.57 | dclarke | and saw nothing |
| 05:36.08 | liable | i would download the deb and just try that module if its not in the installer |
| 05:36.31 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 05:36.40 | dclarke | what does "download the deb" mean ? besides a reference to my sister in law Debbie ? |
| 05:36.45 | simonrvn | cd /tmp; dpkg -x that.deb . |
| 05:36.48 | liable | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/powerpc/linux-image-2.6.26-1-powerpc/download |
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| 05:37.08 | dclarke | head spins |
| 05:37.20 | WormFood | dclarke, "deb" is the package that debian uses (redhat based systems use "rpm" in contrast) |
| 05:37.37 | dclarke | oookay |
| 05:37.56 | WormFood | dclarke, it is the file format that debian uses for its packages |
| 05:38.27 | orudie | will external mail work without certs ? |
| 05:38.52 | dclarke | liable: that link .. doesn't really help me |
| 05:39.03 | liable | why not? |
| 05:39.09 | dclarke | "If you are running Debian, it is strongly suggested to use a package manager " <-- well yes .. I am running debian |
| 05:39.29 | liable | just wget it and unpack it then copy the module to your key.. |
| 05:39.38 | dclarke | okay |
| 05:39.39 | dclarke | cool |
| 05:39.43 | dclarke | let me try that |
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| 05:39.56 | WormFood | dclarke, "aptitude" is the suggested debian package manager, but there are other choices |
| 05:40.03 | dclarke | a 22M file |
| 05:40.05 | dclarke | okay |
| 05:40.34 | dclarke | not sure how to "unpack that" but I'll get there |
| 05:40.53 | dclarke | it says Debian binary package (format 2.0) |
| 05:40.53 | WormFood | dclarke, if it is a ".deb" file, it does not need to be unpacked |
| 05:41.03 | dclarke | WormFood: I just need a driver |
| 05:41.17 | WormFood | I mean...the package manager unpacks it for you...it does not need to be manually unpacked |
| 05:41.18 | dclarke | WormFood: or do I drop that whole file onto the USB key ? |
| 05:41.52 | dclarke | looks at it sit there doing nothing |
| 05:41.54 | WormFood | you can use dpkg to install the .deb file you download (I haven't looked at your url, I'm assuming you're downloading a .deb file) |
| 05:42.07 | dclarke | I don't think I can install it here |
| 05:42.23 | dclarke | no .. I need to unpack that thing and find a driver |
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| 05:43.03 | liable | WormFood: he needs to get a module onto a usb key so his disk is found during install |
| 05:43.19 | dclarke | exactly |
| 05:43.34 | dclarke | so I have this sitting here : -rw-r--r-- 1 dclarke csw 22992862 Mar 16 2009 linux-image-2.6.26-1-powerpc_2.6.26-13lenny2_powerpc.deb |
| 05:43.51 | WormFood | I see liable...not sure exactly how that part works with a debian install...I would expect you copy it to "usb key", and direct it there at the right time. |
| 05:43.52 | dclarke | so pkg -x foo .. or something |
| 05:44.00 | liable | dclarke: dpkg -x image.deb |
| 05:44.25 | liable | WormFood: yes, you can use modprobe from vt2 of the installer |
| 05:44.39 | liable | the only problem will be symbol mismatch possibly |
| 05:44.43 | dclarke | dpkg-deb: --extract needs a target directory. |
| 05:44.54 | dclarke | let me try that again |
| 05:44.56 | liable | . |
| 05:45.16 | dclarke | dpkg -x ../linux-image-2.6.26-1-powerpc_2.6.26-13lenny2_powerpc.deb . |
| 05:45.16 | dpkg | dclarke: i haven't a clue |
| 05:45.19 | dclarke | is running |
| 05:45.33 | dclarke | on my console it looks like tar is what is running |
| 05:45.41 | dclarke | and then dpkg-deb |
| 05:45.42 | liable | its just an archive |
| 05:45.47 | dclarke | so its a tarball |
| 05:46.04 | dclarke | okay .. I see boot lib usr |
| 05:46.30 | dclarke | cd lib/modules/2.6.26-1-powerpc/kernel/drivers/ |
| 05:46.39 | dclarke | beauty |
| 05:46.41 | dclarke | got them |
| 05:46.58 | dclarke | ./spi/mpc52xx_psc_spi.ko ./net/fec_mpc52xx_phy.ko ./net/fec_mpc52xx.ko ./ata/pata_mpc52xx.ko |
| 05:47.05 | dclarke | no clue what to do with those |
| 05:47.14 | dclarke | and I wonder why they are not in the installer |
| 05:47.22 | dclarke | unless .. they are .. and I did not see |
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| 05:47.37 | dclarke | that would really be .. embarassing but also much easier |
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| 05:48.25 | liable | insert key, mount it, insmod modules |
| 05:48.36 | dclarke | key inserted |
| 05:48.55 | dclarke | the insmod step seems a bit tricky .. but I'll get there |
| 05:48.59 | dclarke | I think I have to format it |
| 05:49.05 | liable | giving full path.. |
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| 05:50.01 | dclarke | oh man .. this is all tricky .. I insert the key .. but have no clue where the device path is .. for parted |
| 05:50.23 | simonrvn | you could also cp them to /lib/modules/whatever run depmod -Aa and morprobe 'em |
| 05:50.25 | liable | uh, are you just copying them over now? |
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| 05:50.36 | liable | *to* the key |
| 05:50.37 | simonrvn | /lib/modules/whatever/kernel |
| 05:50.46 | liable | ? |
| 05:50.56 | dclarke | liable: I don't have a filesystem on the key that is readable |
| 05:51.11 | liable | ok, so check dmesg for its dev name |
| 05:51.14 | dclarke | liable: so I have to run parted ( I think ) and mkext2fs or something liek that |
| 05:51.19 | liable | then format it |
| 05:51.28 | dclarke | sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb |
| 05:51.31 | dclarke | sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg2 type 0 |
| 05:51.35 | dclarke | usb-storage: device scan complete |
| 05:51.38 | dclarke | thats it |
| 05:51.41 | liable | sdb |
| 05:51.41 | dome | anyone running an i5 system? |
| 05:51.45 | dclarke | not really helpful |
| 05:51.50 | dclarke | oh |
| 05:51.51 | dclarke | cool |
| 05:51.55 | liable | fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 05:51.59 | dclarke | so parted /dev/sdb |
| 05:52.13 | liable | whatever tool you want |
| 05:52.32 | rvalles | hex editor :P |
| 05:52.35 | dclarke | okay .. there is a partition there |
| 05:52.36 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:52.53 | dclarke | small needle that is magnetic and I flip the bits on the disk manually |
| 05:53.13 | rvalles | dclarke: don't be an animal |
| 05:53.17 | rvalles | that'd require ripping the disk open |
| 05:53.25 | dclarke | funny fdisk: command not found |
| 05:53.38 | rvalles | exposing it to the crap air outside |
| 05:53.52 | rvalles | feels sorry for the poor disk |
| 05:54.58 | dclarke | I ran a class once with a server where the disks were all ripped open and the server was running |
| 05:55.01 | dclarke | was educational |
| 05:55.15 | dclarke | certainly with six disks in a RAID5 config |
| 05:55.43 | jetscreamer | and? |
| 05:56.17 | dclarke | and you could see data being written in geometric synchonous movement acorss the disks |
| 05:56.42 | jetscreamer | how long did they last |
| 05:56.50 | dclarke | a few weeks |
| 05:56.55 | jetscreamer | ahhhhh |
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| 05:57.01 | dclarke | not bad really |
| 05:57.13 | dclarke | I tossed a sheet of glass over the disks |
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| 05:57.24 | jetscreamer | ahhh |
| 05:57.31 | liable | oooh |
| 05:57.37 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 05:57.41 | cyxou | ttt |
| 05:57.46 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 05:58.04 | dclarke | geez .. mount has no -t vfstype for fat32 |
| 05:58.17 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 05:58.22 | liable | vfat |
| 05:58.32 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:58.42 | dclarke | I can not mount that thing ... well .. I better use ext3fs or something that the installer will be able to read in a jiffy |
| 05:58.54 | cyxou | Ñвои Ñо еÑÑÑ? |
| 05:58.56 | liable | prooly a good idea |
| 05:59.00 | jetscreamer | !ru |
| 05:59.00 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 05:59.08 | jetscreamer | guessing |
| 05:59.19 | cyxou | ок |
| 05:59.23 | cyxou | ok |
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| 05:59.27 | jetscreamer | nice font |
| 05:59.27 | cyxou | senks |
| 05:59.30 | jetscreamer | np |
| 05:59.52 | cyxou | bay |
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| 05:59.58 | jetscreamer | \o |
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| 06:00.14 | liable | amputated arm? |
| 06:00.28 | jetscreamer | yeah got cut off when i was waving |
| 06:00.42 | liable | or is it doing naughty things out of sight.. |
| 06:01.21 | dclarke | call me paranoid .. but I'm doing ext2fs thus : mke2fs -c -c -O filetype,sparse_super -v /dev/sdb1 |
| 06:02.15 | liable | ok, you're paranoid |
| 06:02.26 | dclarke | thank you |
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| 06:02.38 | dclarke | spins the propeller on his hat |
| 06:04.04 | dclarke | now the really really tricky part .. is what does the installer expect to find ? files sitting there? a dir structure and headers and .. who knows what foo ? |
| 06:04.26 | liable | it wont find anything. you just manually mount it |
| 06:04.39 | dclarke | liable: that will be tricky |
| 06:04.45 | liable | not really |
| 06:05.03 | dclarke | liable: this thing has two USB ports and one of them will be the CDROM with the install image on it |
| 06:05.08 | dclarke | the other is the keyboard |
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| 06:05.19 | dclarke | I may have to do this in text mode on the serial console |
| 06:05.46 | liable | !rube goldberg install |
| 06:05.46 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 06:06.00 | dclarke | ha ha |
| 06:06.04 | dclarke | yes .. exactly |
| 06:06.13 | dclarke | but I do have a papertape reader |
| 06:06.15 | dclarke | does that help |
| 06:06.21 | dclarke | oh and punchcards |
| 06:06.27 | dclarke | those .. lots of those |
| 06:06.49 | dclarke | liable: yes .. this is the definitive "rube goldberg install" |
| 06:06.57 | dclarke | want to see a picture of this server ? |
| 06:07.14 | liable | i guess, nothing better to do.. |
| 06:07.28 | dclarke | http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/headless.jpg |
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| 06:08.02 | dclarke | and see http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/headless_4.jpg |
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| 06:08.46 | dclarke | and there is me with it in its pretty blue case : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/DSC00621.JPG |
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| 06:09.36 | dclarke | !rube goldberg install |
| 06:09.37 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 06:09.45 | dclarke | love it ... that is so true |
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| 06:12.13 | dclarke | anyways .. the question is .. should I just copy the whole extracted deb kernel bits over to that usb key ? |
| 06:12.35 | liable | you could if you wanted, doesnt really matter |
| 06:13.15 | dclarke | "doesnt really matter" translates in my head to "won't help you" |
| 06:13.37 | liable | you only need the controller module |
| 06:14.22 | dclarke | okay |
| 06:14.30 | dclarke | now I just need to figure out what that is |
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| 06:17.15 | dclarke | well just to be sure I'll copy over the whole 2.6.26-1-powerpc/kernel/drivers directory |
| 06:17.30 | dclarke | liable: you know .. you're a great help |
| 06:17.48 | dclarke | liable: I never in a bloody million years whould have found that deb pkg |
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| 06:18.22 | liable | dclarke: dont get too excited, it might fail with symbol errors yet.. |
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| 06:18.31 | dclarke | I'm going to make the assumption that I want 2.6.26-1-powerpc/kernel/drivers/ata/pata_mpc52xx.ko |
| 06:18.46 | dclarke | might fail with symbol errors? nah .. it will all "just work" |
| 06:19.34 | dclarke | I wonder how to boot vmlinuz and specify that I wantthe serial console only |
| 06:19.50 | dclarke | perhaps console=ttya,9600n8 |
| 06:19.53 | dclarke | something like that |
| 06:20.58 | dclarke | be right back .. I hope |
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| 06:22.24 | dclarke | geez .. how does one figure out what the installer wants for the serial console only ... ? |
| 06:22.41 | mercutio22 | How can I mount my external hard drive with read/write permissions? |
| 06:22.42 | dclarke | kernel (cd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/cd? console=ttyS1,9600 |
| 06:23.00 | akkark | dmesg output: |
| 06:23.00 | akkark | [ 425.208030] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 06:23.00 | akkark | [ 425.384007] usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 06:23.00 | akkark | [ 425.405025] usb 2-1: ZC0301[P] Image Processor and Control Chip detected (vid/pid 0x0AC8:0x303B) |
| 06:23.00 | akkark | [ 425.487909] usb 2-1: No supported image sensor detected |
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| 06:23.01 | liable | check the options page |
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| 06:25.01 | dclarke | goes looking for the "options page" |
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| 06:25.30 | liable | f3 iirc |
| 06:25.42 | liable | it says so on the boot screen |
| 06:26.13 | akkark | My webcam doesn't work after reboots till I replug it into another usb-port, how do I make it work right? |
| 06:26.36 | liable | akkark: sounds like a bug |
| 06:26.46 | dclarke | liable: okay .. time for me to shut this thing down .. and boot the installer again |
| 06:27.00 | dclarke | cross a finger or legs or a pair of cats for good luck |
| 06:27.02 | liable | righto, bye bye |
| 06:27.14 | dclarke | I'm not going anywhere .. this server here is |
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| 06:32.13 | akkark | well. should I contact driver's developer then? |
| 06:32.20 | asmodeus | !whoami |
| 06:32.20 | dpkg | you're asmodeus you donkey! |
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| 06:33.44 | liable | akkark: that would be a good start |
| 06:34.07 | nsadmin | whoa!! a typing donkey! |
| 06:34.21 | asmodeus | !kill nsadmin |
| 06:34.21 | dpkg | crushes nsadmin with a rusty dagger |
| 06:34.50 | asmodeus | nsadmin, why are you offensing me huh? |
| 06:35.01 | liable | lol |
| 06:35.14 | nsadmin | whome? |
| 06:35.25 | nsadmin | whistles innocently |
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| 06:35.56 | asmodeus | blocks nsadmin's mouth with a old cork |
| 06:36.17 | nsadmin | does vocal exercises with the cork |
| 06:36.28 | liable | thought he saw old cock |
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| 06:37.25 | nsadmin | gay cougar porn? |
| 06:37.36 | asmodeus | !wat nsadmin's neck |
| 06:37.40 | liable | heh |
| 06:37.50 | asmodeus | !eat nsadmin's neck |
| 06:37.50 | dpkg | eats nsadmin's neck, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* and catches Mad Cow Disease |
| 06:38.05 | asmodeus | hee |
| 06:38.18 | nsadmin | nono, Willian Shatner has mad cow... |
| 06:38.40 | asmodeus | nooo, youdo |
| 06:38.54 | WormFood | I seem to be having a lot of problems with pulseaudio...I go to a web page that plays music (with flash), and it plays a 3 minute song in about 5 seconds....what the hell is going on? (outside of the fact that flash is total garbage) |
| 06:39.15 | nsadmin | okok we gotta stop, there's real traffic now |
| 06:39.20 | asmodeus | ok |
| 06:39.38 | asmodeus | ping me when you want fun.... or just join #offtopic |
| 06:39.42 | sauvin | I can't speak for debian; on ubuntu and fedora, I've had real trouble with pulseaudio and wound up killing it. |
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| 06:40.19 | WormFood | sauvin, you're saying you don't use it, or you killed the process? |
| 06:40.34 | sauvin | WormFood, no, I removed it completely from those installs. |
| 06:40.35 | nsadmin | I tried pulse once (in a xen situation), it worked but I didn't leave it going long |
| 06:40.37 | WormFood | what is odd, is it seems to work fine, then after a few days it fucks up |
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| 06:41.26 | owen1 | can i rsync more then one source into the same destination in the same command? |
| 06:41.48 | WormFood | owen1, as long as the filenames don't overlap, you shouldn't have any problems |
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| 06:42.54 | WormFood | if the filenames overlap, and are the same file, I don't think you'll have any problems as long as you are not trying to download the same file with both instances of rsync at the same time. |
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| 06:43.04 | owen1 | WormFood: so this will work? rsync source1/ source2/ dest/ |
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| 06:44.09 | WormFood | not sure owen1...I haven't used rsync in a long time...I'd expect it to work, but double check the man page. |
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| 06:45.15 | owen1 | WormFood: from some reason, it does not create the source/ folder in the destination, but copy the files inside to /dest. |
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| 06:45.28 | owen1 | WormFood: i mean source2 |
| 06:46.21 | WormFood | owen1, it looks like it should work the way you expect...but double check the man page, and experiment with it a little. |
| 06:46.26 | dclarke | well thus far it looks like the installer can not read that USB key |
| 06:46.29 | owen1 | WormFood: sure |
| 06:46.45 | WormFood | dclarke, are you sure it is a "problem" with the usb key, and not something else? |
| 06:46.59 | dclarke | I better burn a CDROM ... is there a way to extract a deb pkg file other that with dpkg ? I mean can tar do it ? |
| 06:47.14 | dclarke | WormFood: tough to say really |
| 06:47.43 | WormFood | dclarke, if I remember correctly, a deb is just a tar file with specific files in it for the deb installer (package manager) |
| 06:48.24 | dclarke | Unknown archive type (neither tar, nor bar/cpio). |
| 06:48.38 | dclarke | nope ... its something , dare I say it, proprietary |
| 06:48.41 | WormFood | dclarke, try the "z" or "j" option...it is probably compressed too |
| 06:48.47 | WormFood | it is not proprietary |
| 06:49.04 | dclarke | okay .. its not a tarball |
| 06:49.11 | dclarke | and it is not gzip compressed |
| 06:49.43 | WormFood | maybe cpio...I don't remember...but it is documented. |
| 06:49.58 | asmodeus | what is debian? |
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| 06:50.25 | dclarke | well its not an ar archive either |
| 06:50.46 | Xenguy | asmodeus: linux |
| 06:50.47 | dclarke | its proprietary to debian |
| 06:50.57 | dclarke | I'll figure this out |
| 06:50.59 | horrf | dclarke: no? ar x used to work for me |
| 06:51.12 | asmodeus | i mean is it something like fedora, ubuntu etc? |
| 06:51.21 | horrf | dclarke: try ar t first |
| 06:51.23 | Xenguy | dclarke: proprietary is probably not an accurate word |
| 06:52.00 | dclarke | I just tried an ar -t to get a listing |
| 06:52.17 | dclarke | hrmmmpppfth |
| 06:52.29 | dclarke | its "specific" to debian |
| 06:52.39 | dclarke | there .. nice and politically correct |
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| 06:53.21 | Xenguy | dclarke: heh, no need to be PC, the word itself was just inaccurate |
| 06:53.42 | Xenguy | dclarke: what does 'file filename' give? |
| 06:54.07 | WormFood | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_%28file_format%29 - Debian packages are standard Unix ar archives that include two gzipped, bzipped or lzmaed tar archives: one that holds the control information and another that contains the data. |
| 06:54.13 | dclarke | linux-image-2.6.26-1-powerpc_2.6.26-13lenny2_powerpc.deb: current ar archive, not a dynamic executable or shared object |
| 06:54.30 | dclarke | okay .. *standard Unix ar archives* |
| 06:54.31 | dclarke | awesome |
| 06:54.37 | dclarke | I'm doing something wrong then |
| 06:54.38 | dclarke | clearly |
| 06:54.39 | Xenguy | dclarke: that confirms that 'ar' should work |
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| 06:55.12 | dclarke | and it did |
| 06:55.14 | Xenguy | I think |
| 06:55.15 | dclarke | I screwed up |
| 06:55.18 | dclarke | ar -t fails |
| 06:55.23 | dclarke | but ar -x works perfectly |
| 06:55.29 | Xenguy | aha |
| 06:55.34 | dclarke | then I get control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz |
| 06:55.39 | dclarke | and debian-binary |
| 06:56.03 | dclarke | open source \o/ |
| 06:57.10 | dclarke | debian-binary is just 4 bytes of ASCII |
| 06:57.15 | dclarke | 2.0 |
| 06:57.24 | dclarke | okay three bytes and an EOF |
| 06:57.51 | owen1 | how to tell rsync to create the folder itself and not just it's content? |
| 06:58.03 | Xenguy | hits the hay... |
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| 06:59.55 | jmarsden | owen1: omit the trailing / on the source directory |
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| 07:00.13 | jmarsden | owen1: BTW, man rsync has an example that explains this... |
| 07:00.36 | owen1 | jmarsden: ah..nice |
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| 07:22.40 | Stargazer | My second display is acting funny and won't allow me to move mouse into it nor will any windows. any ideas? |
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| 07:33.31 | dclarke | on the outside chance someeone is still here |
| 07:34.03 | dclarke | that deb package was for 2.6.26-1-powerpc and not 2.6.26-2-powerpc which is what the installer uses |
| 07:34.13 | nsadmin | someeone: No such nick/channel |
| 07:34.42 | nsadmin | which one do you want and why? |
| 07:34.52 | dclarke | its a long story |
| 07:34.59 | dclarke | a painful long story |
| 07:35.09 | nsadmin | ok well... are things working now? |
| 07:35.14 | dclarke | essentially I need to add a driver to install |
| 07:35.16 | dclarke | no |
| 07:35.17 | dclarke | not yet |
| 07:35.25 | nsadmin | which driver? |
| 07:35.45 | dclarke | pata_mpc52xx.ko |
| 07:36.48 | dclarke | are you sorry you asked ? |
| 07:37.01 | nsadmin | and modprobe pata_mpc52xx provides no joy? |
| 07:37.23 | dclarke | uh .. no |
| 07:38.12 | dclarke | I find the network drivers in there |
| 07:38.18 | dclarke | but not the disk controller |
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| 07:38.46 | nsadmin | is that driver in the kernel source? |
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| 07:39.49 | dclarke | yes |
| 07:39.53 | dclarke | has been for years |
| 07:40.20 | nsadmin | but it's not +m in .config? |
| 07:40.32 | dclarke | I am dealing with the rube goldberg install from hell here |
| 07:40.47 | dclarke | as for the +m module .. no .. I guess not |
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| 07:42.13 | nsadmin | let me see if I understand your situation... |
| 07:42.23 | dclarke | I can lay it out for you |
| 07:42.33 | dclarke | 1) I burn the cdrom for the installer |
| 07:42.36 | nsadmin | you're trying to install debian on a box where you presently don't have the disk driver |
| 07:42.38 | dclarke | 2) I power on the machine |
| 07:42.40 | nsadmin | yes? |
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| 07:42.53 | dclarke | 3) I then boot the vmlinuz-chrp.initrd |
| 07:43.00 | dclarke | 4) I then wait |
| 07:43.07 | dclarke | 5) I get the instalelr in front of me |
| 07:43.23 | dclarke | 6) and then select language, setup network, timezone etc |
| 07:43.29 | dclarke | 7) then no disks are seen |
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| 07:43.38 | simonrvn | !rube goldberg install |
| 07:43.38 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader. Wait, the card reader just fell on the floor and broke." |
| 07:43.41 | dclarke | at this point I need ot add the driver for the controller |
| 07:43.50 | nsadmin | and the network configures no problem? |
| 07:43.52 | dclarke | mmmkay .. yes |
| 07:43.56 | dclarke | network works fine |
| 07:43.57 | simonrvn | dclarke: like that? ;) |
| 07:44.05 | dclarke | I just did a modprobe and they are in there |
| 07:44.12 | dclarke | simonrvn: exactly |
| 07:44.16 | simonrvn | progress! |
| 07:44.39 | nsadmin | you mean modprobe of the pata_thingy? |
| 07:44.43 | dclarke | simonrvn: only the computer is not i386 and thus uses openfirmware and so few people seem to know anything other than x86 anymore |
| 07:44.53 | dclarke | no .. modprobe for other components |
| 07:44.56 | simonrvn | dclarke: tell me about it... |
| 07:44.58 | dclarke | the pata thingy is absent |
| 07:45.05 | nsadmin | gotcha |
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| 07:45.17 | simonrvn | i hang around in #debianppc too, remember? ;) |
| 07:45.22 | dclarke | ahhh yes |
| 07:45.25 | dclarke | hello there |
| 07:45.29 | dclarke | I have DEC Alpha also |
| 07:45.34 | dclarke | and lots of Sparc |
| 07:45.36 | simonrvn | sweet |
| 07:45.36 | dclarke | piles of that |
| 07:45.50 | dclarke | HP-UX hpbox B.11.11 U 9000/785 2016698240 unlimited-user license |
| 07:45.51 | dclarke | and that |
| 07:45.55 | simonrvn | send me one :P. j/k |
| 07:46.03 | dclarke | simonrvn: what type ? |
| 07:46.12 | dclarke | and how far is shipping ? |
| 07:46.13 | simonrvn | i was kidding :) |
| 07:46.17 | dclarke | I wasn't |
| 07:46.32 | dclarke | I tossed out 7 metric tonnes of gear a year or so ago |
| 07:46.39 | dclarke | some people were weeping for months |
| 07:46.44 | simonrvn | seriously? |
| 07:46.52 | dclarke | yes .. seriously |
| 07:46.56 | simonrvn | O_O |
| 07:47.03 | babilen | dclarke: You might want to ask on the ML if these machines could be put to some good use. |
| 07:47.05 | simonrvn | i can imagine people weeping |
| 07:47.14 | dclarke | been there .. ddone that |
| 07:47.14 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 07:47.17 | dclarke | people said .. nah |
| 07:47.19 | dclarke | no thanks |
| 07:47.26 | dclarke | no one wanted them until I tossed them |
| 07:47.28 | simonrvn | more non-x86 buildds would rock |
| 07:47.32 | dclarke | then it was "oh noooo" |
| 07:47.46 | babilen | simonrvn: exactly my idea |
| 07:47.49 | dclarke | hell, no one wants racks of Sun Ultra 10's and 5's |
| 07:47.52 | dclarke | those are all tossed |
| 07:47.58 | dclarke | all the Ultra 1's are gone |
| 07:48.06 | dclarke | a few ultra 2's remain |
| 07:48.12 | babilen | good morning, btw :-) |
| 07:48.13 | simonrvn | i would've taken an ultra 10 |
| 07:48.15 | dclarke | had E450's up the waaazooo |
| 07:48.16 | simonrvn | hiya |
| 07:48.37 | dclarke | simonrvn: why bother .. have a Netra X1 for next to nothing and twwice the horsepower |
| 07:48.43 | simonrvn | i used to have a sparc here, but the battery/openboot on it was fried |
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| 07:48.53 | simonrvn | er not fried, |
| 07:49.08 | simonrvn | had to get a replacement, it had run out of juice |
| 07:49.11 | dclarke | but the Ultra 10 allowed for the Creator 3D Series III OpenGL hardware framebuffers and those were and still are damn fine |
| 07:49.25 | dclarke | I still have .. piles of sparc |
| 07:49.31 | dclarke | not tonnes |
| 07:49.33 | dclarke | but a lot |
| 07:49.38 | dclarke | one sec .. be right back |
| 07:49.47 | simonrvn | server box. have a slow-assed beige g3 right now for that. |
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| 07:50.22 | simonrvn | it's ok, but throughput on the bus is awful |
| 07:50.45 | dclarke | here comes the tough question |
| 07:51.09 | dclarke | is it possible .. while in the middle of install to remove the CDROM and switch for another CDROM media ? |
| 07:51.11 | hoo-hah | hi guys, I can't find any trace of it in /var/log/, but I happened to catch a glimpse of a boot message concerting unable to write etc/something/cached-keymap something because of a read-only filesystem (assuming /). Any clues as to what that's about? |
| 07:51.28 | hoo-hah | *concerning |
| 07:51.30 | simonrvn | dclarke: i really don't know |
| 07:52.03 | simonrvn | hoo-hah: i imagine it has to do with your keyboard on the console |
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| 07:52.57 | babilen | !tell hoo-hah -about bootlogd |
| 07:53.17 | babilen | hoo-hah: ^^^ might catch the message |
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| 07:54.19 | hoo-hah | babilen: oh cool thanks! |
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| 07:54.30 | dclarke | well the situation is now .... quite insane |
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| 07:54.39 | hoo-hah | I found something. bug #536552 |
| 07:54.51 | dclarke | I have inserted a CDROM with the drivers on it .. but the installer won't read it |
| 07:55.27 | hoo-hah | how do i feed a bug report number to this chan's bot? |
| 07:55.43 | hoo-hah | (to get a short description) |
| 07:55.43 | simonrvn | dbugs XXXX |
| 07:55.52 | hoo-hah | thanks |
| 07:57.46 | hoo-hah | I can't remember where I got the sample entry from, but my fstab for / partition is: LABEL=squeeze / ext4 defaults,noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 07:57.59 | hoo-hah | is it possible that it's mounted read-only as there are errors on the filesystem? |
| 07:58.09 | hoo-hah | (those errors aren't obvious, though) |
| 07:58.48 | simonrvn | check /var/log for fsck thingies |
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| 08:00.14 | hoo-hah | what do the last two digits represent? I know that it's about filesystem check frequency or something, but I can't find the actual descriptors for the two fields in mount (8) |
| 08:00.43 | simonrvn | man fstab |
| 08:01.23 | Stargazer | How do i change the text that shows up in my terminal as a prefix? |
| 08:01.41 | hoo-hah | ah, fs_freq|passno |
| 08:02.08 | dclarke | Stargazer: I don't know what you mean by prefix but try PS1=\$\ |
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| 08:03.06 | dclarke | simonrvn: I think I have to give up on this for now ... its quite far past silly , there just is no way to get those drivers into the installer |
| 08:03.28 | dclarke | I think the issue is that the deb package file I fetched is for the wrong rev of Debian kernel |
| 08:03.32 | Stargazer | Dclarke, instead of 'computer-name:~#' i want '>_' or something to that effect. |
| 08:03.35 | simonrvn | dclarke: alrighty |
| 08:04.20 | dclarke | I'm not one to give up easily but this has been four hours at least |
| 08:04.37 | babilen | Stargazer: there are quite a bunch on tutorials to customise PS around ... |
| 08:04.40 | hoo-hah | Stargazer: you mean prompt? |
| 08:04.43 | dclarke | and the powerpc_2.6.26 file that I fetched and burned to CDROM is for powerpc_2.6.26-1 and I need -2 |
| 08:04.48 | babilen | s/on/of |
| 08:04.56 | Stargazer | I guess so, hoo-hah. |
| 08:05.10 | dclarke | Stargazer: try PS1=\>_ |
| 08:06.01 | dclarke | crap |
| 08:06.01 | hoo-hah | you may want to quote that |
| 08:06.08 | dclarke | I see what to do |
| 08:06.16 | hoo-hah | particularly if you want a space after the prompt |
| 08:06.43 | WormFood | dclarke, what are you trying to install on? a mac? |
| 08:06.58 | dclarke | WormFood: nothing quite so domestic |
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| 08:07.15 | Stargazer | Hmmm... how do i get it to do that permanently? (i did once many moon cycles ago in ubuntu by editing a file but alas, time has passed) |
| 08:07.15 | dclarke | think weeird bizarre hardware |
| 08:07.30 | hoo-hah | $HOME/.bashrc |
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| 08:08.09 | hoo-hah | Stargazer: you should include it in a if [ $(id -u) -eq 0 ]; |
| 08:08.27 | hoo-hah | to test for root access and allowing (color) changes |
| 08:09.04 | WormFood | dclarke, I've seen plenty of weird bizarre hardware |
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| 08:09.26 | dclarke | WormFood: anything about the size of a pack of cigarettes ? |
| 08:09.27 | hoo-hah | Stargazer: you may want to modify it also to show cwd |
| 08:09.49 | WormFood | I have an arm machine about the size of a pack of gum |
| 08:10.09 | WormFood | but the only PPC I have is an old mac (which has debian installed on it, I think) |
| 08:10.11 | hoo-hah | WormFood: woa |
| 08:10.42 | WormFood | I also have Linux installed on an old 68ec040 mac |
| 08:11.05 | dclarke | http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/Prototype_ports.jpg |
| 08:11.23 | dclarke | see http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/Prototype_rear.jpg |
| 08:11.45 | dclarke | or http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/headless_3.jpg |
| 08:11.55 | WormFood | that is ppc based? |
| 08:12.01 | dclarke | yes |
| 08:12.29 | Stargazer | That's a very large pack of gum, dclarke. |
| 08:12.41 | dclarke | I said pack of cigarettes |
| 08:12.44 | dclarke | king sized |
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| 08:14.11 | WormFood | Stargazer, I was the one who said I have a linux based ARM machine about the size of a pack of gum...check out the "gumstix" |
| 08:14.24 | WormFood | dclarke, that looks pretty cool...how much does it cost? |
| 08:14.34 | dclarke | dirt cheap |
| 08:14.37 | dclarke | $99 |
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| 08:14.48 | WormFood | they probably make them where I live ;) |
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| 08:15.01 | Stargazer | Where would i get that online? |
| 08:15.38 | Stargazer | Rather, how much power does it have ? |
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| 08:16.12 | dclarke | powerr ... virrtually none |
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| 08:16.36 | Stargazer | 400MHz |
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| 08:17.46 | dclarke | is that what you mean by power ? oh |
| 08:17.58 | dclarke | I was going to say it uses about 8 watts |
| 08:18.24 | Stargazer | I would've asked 'how much does it use' ;p |
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| 08:18.54 | Stargazer | http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/System_map.jpg < says 400MHz |
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| 08:20.38 | WormFood | dclarke, where is it made? |
| 08:20.51 | dclarke | some of it in China |
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| 08:21.06 | dclarke | some of it right here |
| 08:21.06 | Stargazer | Dclarke is canada based. ;p |
| 08:21.06 | WormFood | do you know what city? |
| 08:21.07 | WormFood | I'm in China |
| 08:21.15 | WormFood | Shenzhen City |
| 08:21.19 | dclarke | I have a mirror site in Beijing |
| 08:21.26 | dclarke | its pretty busy |
| 08:21.30 | WormFood | there are MANY electronics products made in my city. |
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| 08:21.57 | Stargazer | No doubt. xD |
| 08:22.06 | Stargazer | dclarke, do ship to america? |
| 08:22.09 | dclarke | http://blastwave.unix-center.net/csw/ |
| 08:22.18 | liable | oh yay. eveyones back |
| 08:22.25 | dclarke | Stargazer: what ? I don't understand sorry |
| 08:22.28 | liable | dpkg: wb |
| 08:22.28 | dpkg | thanks, liable. It's good to be back. |
| 08:22.37 | dclarke | liable: I think I hit the snag here |
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| 08:22.45 | liable | was getting awefully lonely |
| 08:22.50 | Stargazer | Er, you make those systems, right? |
| 08:23.07 | dclarke | Stargazer: I had a whole factory here .. at one point yes |
| 08:23.17 | liable | dclarke: symbol mismatch? |
| 08:23.18 | Stargazer | Oh. no more? |
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| 08:23.37 | dclarke | liable: no .. the version string for the kernel does not match that deb files contents |
| 08:23.51 | dclarke | I had to go get another deb file, extract it .. make a iso file and burn to CDROM |
| 08:23.55 | liable | dclarke: whats the d-i kernel version? |
| 08:23.58 | dclarke | I still have not seen it work however |
| 08:24.15 | dclarke | liable: say again ? they what ? |
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| 08:24.25 | liable | the installer version |
| 08:24.32 | dclarke | liable: 2.6.26-2-powerpc |
| 08:24.45 | dclarke | that deb file had 2.6.26-1-powerpc |
| 08:24.50 | dclarke | so I had ot go get another one |
| 08:25.03 | liable | why did you have to burn it to cd? |
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| 08:25.18 | dclarke | I am guessing that the installer looks in lib/modules/2.6.26-1-powerpc/kernel/drivers/ |
| 08:25.22 | dclarke | on the target media |
| 08:25.30 | dclarke | so .. yes .. I am burning it all to CDROM |
| 08:25.38 | liable | uh, no need |
| 08:25.48 | dclarke | the installer has an option to eject CD to switch media |
| 08:25.50 | liable | just use insmod and give it the path to the usb key |
| 08:25.50 | dclarke | oh ? |
| 08:26.02 | dclarke | forget the usb key .. thats gone |
| 08:26.05 | dclarke | can't be done |
| 08:26.09 | liable | bah |
| 08:26.14 | dclarke | rube goldberg bit that |
| 08:26.31 | dclarke | I need a keyboard screen and a few things .. like a CDROM/DVD |
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| 08:26.55 | dclarke | and thus far no installer has the mpc52xx controller drivers but they all have the network drivers |
| 08:26.59 | dclarke | that is bizarre |
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| 08:27.17 | dclarke | liable: by the way .. I don't run insmod |
| 08:27.26 | dclarke | I am just letting the installer look at the media |
| 08:27.32 | liable | its a bug, and you should file it against installation-report when you finally get it working |
| 08:27.37 | dclarke | I have no idea where it looks however |
| 08:28.33 | dclarke | liable: I have no idea where to file such a bug report |
| 08:28.44 | dclarke | in any case .. it is well after 3AM here |
| 08:28.52 | dclarke | so .. I'll be back to play in a while |
| 08:28.57 | dclarke | a long long while |
| 08:28.59 | liable | go get some sleep then and tackle it in the morning |
| 08:28.59 | dclarke | :-) |
| 08:29.07 | dclarke | yes .. I think I know the issue now |
| 08:29.28 | dclarke | it was a mystery but now , thanks to modprobe, I see the driver is just missing |
| 08:29.37 | dclarke | so .. it should be trivial to address |
| 08:29.47 | dclarke | in theory |
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| 08:30.13 | dclarke | wanders away looking for a place to crash |
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| 08:32.38 | lkthomas | guys |
| 08:32.45 | lkthomas | how could I generate file list for rsync ? |
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| 08:33.24 | liable | it does it when you use it |
| 08:33.33 | sluxor | I'm installing debian lenny over ssh (via chroot) and I'm looking for /usr/sbin/base-config . A quick google search reveals it's no longer available so what replaces it? |
| 08:33.38 | lkthomas | I want to generate it by myself and let rsync follow my list |
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| 08:33.41 | hid3nax | Hello everyone. I have a small LAN with a NAT box (running Linux/Debian) and we have a connectiviti to the Internet through a ISP. Some users are interesteed in IP_TV (ISP offers it) which requires multicast. Could anyone give me a hint about how can I set up (and what kernel options, software, etc) so users behind my NAT box can view the multicast IP_TV? |
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| 08:34.01 | liable | spechard_: nothing |
| 08:34.05 | liable | sluxor: ^^ |
| 08:34.18 | spechard_ | liable: wrong nick ? |
| 08:34.23 | liable | lkthomas: does the man page mention it? |
| 08:34.28 | liable | spechard_: yeah, sorry |
| 08:34.34 | spechard_ | liable: no prob |
| 08:34.41 | sluxor | liable, care to explain? I'm new to <b>remote</b> debian installs |
| 08:34.45 | sluxor | lol |
| 08:35.05 | spechard_ | Hi, i can't boot, grub says: "error: the symbol `grub_gettext' not found" |
| 08:35.13 | spechard_ | then it goes to rescue mode |
| 08:35.21 | spechard_ | an idea ? |
| 08:35.34 | sluxor | any idea guys? |
| 08:35.38 | sluxor | (and girls) |
| 08:35.48 | liable | sluxor: there is nothing to replace it. that is all. :) the installer generally does whatever base-config did, and for a chroot, you just have to do it all manually. |
| 08:36.07 | liable | sluxor: such as setting timezone or whatever |
| 08:36.21 | sluxor | can i use dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 08:36.27 | liable | cant remember what baseconfig did anymore |
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| 08:36.50 | liable | what are you trying to configure? |
| 08:36.59 | azeem_ | sluxor: base-config is replaced by d-i |
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| 08:37.18 | sluxor | d-i? |
| 08:37.22 | liable | the installer |
| 08:37.22 | azeem | debian-installer |
| 08:37.35 | azeem | i.e. the relevant stuff is now setup prior to putting the packages on the harddisk and reboot |
| 08:38.07 | Stargazer | For .bashrc, what would i use to identify the user in PS1= ? |
| 08:38.15 | sluxor | azeem, can I run that from the chroot? |
| 08:38.38 | azeem | sluxor: I have no idea what you are trying to do, sorry |
| 08:39.13 | babilen | Stargazer: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/articles/prompt-magic.xml for example ;-) |
| 08:39.19 | sluxor | azeem, http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html#package_configuration |
| 08:39.32 | babilen | !tell sluxor -about debootstrap |
| 08:39.42 | sluxor | it's intended for woody but i decided to be a big boy and get a newer version of debootstrap |
| 08:39.45 | liable | uh, he is obviously doing one.. |
| 08:39.45 | sluxor | and install lenny |
| 08:40.06 | azeem | sluxor: debootstrap is not installing lenny |
| 08:40.10 | azeem | it's making a lenny chroot |
| 08:40.11 | babilen | sluxor: ^^^ might make your endeavour a bit easier... aah... you already use it.. disregard that msg :-) |
| 08:40.16 | liable | sluxor: but.. what are you having problems with? |
| 08:40.21 | azeem | sluxor: so you will have to setup things yourself |
| 08:41.43 | babilen | Stargazer: Also have a look at 'man bash' |
| 08:42.24 | sluxor | ok, liable I'm installing debian over SSH on a CentOS system... except i decided to use a newer version of debootstrap and specify lenny instead of woody |
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| 08:42.38 | liable | and? |
| 08:43.02 | sluxor | i got stuck in the manual at the /usr/sbin/base-config part because it doesn't exist |
| 08:43.34 | liable | oh, well, once you have debootstrapped it, you can just chroot in and configure whatever you want. add users etc |
| 08:43.34 | Cope | morning |
| 08:43.49 | sluxor | !tell sluxor -about install guide |
| 08:44.06 | liable | !tell sluxor -about selftell |
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| 08:44.29 | sluxor | whoops.. sorry |
| 08:44.33 | liable | np |
| 08:45.23 | spechard_ | any ideas about my problem guys ? |
| 08:47.07 | liable | spechard_: what did you do to make this start happening? fresh install? |
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| 08:47.27 | sluxor | liable, is there a script I can use to speed up the process similar to base-config ? |
| 08:47.34 | liable | sluxor: nope |
| 08:47.38 | spechard_ | liable: nope, safe-upgrade yesterday |
| 08:47.40 | liable | not that i know of |
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| 08:47.56 | liable | spechard_: eek, testing or sid? |
| 08:48.02 | spechard_ | liable: sid |
| 08:48.03 | babilen | sluxor: You could also have a look at: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote looks relevant, although I have never used it. |
| 08:48.05 | liable | i take it grub was upgraded? |
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| 08:48.22 | spechard_ | liable: yes |
| 08:48.31 | spechard_ | i found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=558042 |
| 08:48.35 | liable | testing or sid? checked bts yet? |
| 08:48.42 | spechard_ | but it is not the same |
| 08:48.43 | spechard_ | sid |
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| 08:49.07 | spechard_ | yes, but found nothing about grub_gettext |
| 08:49.09 | liable | spechard_: run a rescue cd, chroot in, downgrade grub and rerun it |
| 08:49.31 | liable | then file a bug |
| 08:50.19 | sluxor | liable, what if i run /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure --all |
| 08:50.20 | sluxor | ? |
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| 08:50.28 | azeem | sluxor: doesn't help |
| 08:50.37 | sluxor | but won't it reconfigure the packages? |
| 08:50.44 | sluxor | or dpkg-preconfigure |
| 08:50.54 | liable | sluxor: I keep asking, and you dont answer. what exactly are you trying to configure? |
| 08:50.59 | azeem | sluxor: if you think it will, do it *shrug* |
| 08:51.07 | sluxor | liable, the entire system |
| 08:51.12 | azeem | liable: base-config setup the APT mirror, network and first user |
| 08:51.24 | azeem | that stuff is now (post-woody) done by d-i modules |
| 08:51.40 | liable | azeem: thanks, i forgot what it did. |
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| 08:52.14 | liable | sluxor: so just do those things^^ you will have to manually edit /etc/sources.list, /etc/networking/interfaces and use adduser |
| 08:52.22 | azeem | sluxor: AFAIK the only thing you can usefully reconfigure is exim4-config |
| 08:52.41 | azeem | (not sure what else base-config did) |
| 08:52.44 | sluxor | ok, i dont need to use exim4 can i just remove it? |
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| 08:52.57 | azeem | sluxor: is this a server? |
| 08:53.00 | sluxor | will the system boot if i dont configure exim4 at all |
| 08:53.00 | sluxor | yes |
| 08:53.02 | sluxor | it's a server |
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| 08:53.08 | azeem | sluxor: are you sure you should run a server? |
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| 08:53.29 | sluxor | azeem, the machine is in another country to the one i'm in |
| 08:53.42 | sluxor | i haven't seen a VNC-style debian installer yet |
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| 08:53.54 | sluxor | it's running centOS and I'm putting debian on it |
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| 08:54.12 | babilen | sluxor: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
| 08:54.14 | liable | you'll need to install and run grub too |
| 08:54.23 | azeem | and a kernel |
| 08:54.32 | liable | aye |
| 08:55.47 | azeem | sluxor: if you don't know whether you need a MTA or not, I doubt you know what else is essential to get a booting system |
| 08:55.56 | azeem | sluxor: can you recover the centos install should your Debian system not boot? |
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| 08:58.18 | sluxor | azeem, yes because i'm only modifying my swap partition into a temporary boot |
| 08:58.32 | sluxor | i can just change it back into a swap partition |
| 08:58.43 | sluxor | and forget i did any work on the chroot |
| 08:59.01 | sluxor | :P |
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| 08:59.22 | azeem | how do you change the boot back to centos if it hangs? |
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| 09:00.46 | sluxor | i don't. I ring a data centre techie and get a $60 bill |
| 09:00.47 | sluxor | lol |
| 09:01.20 | azeem | ok then |
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| 09:01.42 | sluxor | ok well i'm just going to exit the chroot, modify the partition back into a swap and mount it again as per normal |
| 09:03.40 | liable | well, grub has a panic oprtion |
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| 09:14.53 | spechard_ | liable: could recover the pb with downgrading |
| 09:15.08 | liable | great |
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| 09:19.48 | sluxor | babilen, how can I apply that manual to a centOS system? |
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| 09:20.45 | babilen | sluxor: I don't know. I have not used it before, just found it and gave you the link. |
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| 09:22.49 | babilen | sluxor: But you should be able to prepare the d-i on a debian box and copy the debian-installer-rd-gz and the initrd to your CentOS /boot and modify grub accordingly |
| 09:23.37 | liable | he needs serial access to boot an installer kernel |
| 09:24.02 | liable | i imagine its a vps or such |
| 09:24.20 | sluxor | liable, i thought you could ssh into the installer? |
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| 09:24.55 | liable | yes you can, see the appendix of the installer manual for preseed help |
| 09:25.44 | sluxor | sweet |
| 09:26.11 | babilen | liable: Are you sure? The link I gave sluxor seems to suggest otherwise. But as I have never used that method I am not sure about the details. |
| 09:26.40 | liable | babilen: which bit are you asking am i sure about? |
| 09:27.17 | babilen | liable: That you need serial access to boot the installer kernel |
| 09:28.05 | liable | babilen: no, i didn't read the link you gave, and didn't think about doing it over ssh |
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| 09:29.33 | babilen | sluxor: OTOH this method is definately not for the faint of heart. I don't think a lot of people ahve experience with it and, well, it might just not work as expected which would cost your 60 bucks... |
| 09:30.00 | babilen | s/definately/definitely |
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| 09:30.16 | liable | you can get grub to boot the kernel once, and if it fails, fallback to centos |
| 09:30.30 | liable | but yeah, good chance you need help from the techs |
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| 09:31.57 | sluxor | liable, what do you think is most likely to fail and why? |
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| 09:32.09 | sluxor | eth0 detection by the debian-installer? |
| 09:32.34 | liable | sluxor: no, just you doing it all correctly on a remote machine. :) |
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| 09:32.48 | sluxor | well i've installed centOS remotely before :) |
| 09:33.08 | sluxor | i don't like the horrible ghosted images my dedicated server provider uses |
| 09:33.10 | sluxor | lol |
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| 09:33.32 | sluxor | the method is similar except it uses VNC instead of SSH |
| 09:33.57 | liable | if they are just images you can install, sureley you have a web panel login you can reimage it and just try again anyway? |
| 09:34.07 | sluxor | thanks for your help guys |
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| 09:34.16 | sluxor | thanks to liable , babilen and azeem |
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| 09:34.47 | sluxor | liable, no. I can order for a re-install but it costs around $60 |
| 09:34.56 | sluxor | it's done by a techie, physically |
| 09:34.57 | liable | yikes |
| 09:35.15 | jkx | Hi, guys .. is there a bug in HAL USB mouse support ? (package from latest SID update 0.5.13) ? |
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| 09:35.35 | sluxor | thanks guys I'm off |
| 09:35.36 | liable | jkx: check bts and file one if not already |
| 09:35.45 | babilen | sluxor: good luck |
| 09:36.09 | jkx | liable: yes, but that just from today morning.. I'm wondering if it's me or a bug .. |
| 09:36.53 | babilen | jkx: could you elaborate on: it's ? But check the bts ... |
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| 09:37.39 | jkx | babilen: I checked the bts, but nothing |
| 09:37.45 | liable | !dbugs #558042 |
| 09:37.50 | dpkg | #558042:C[grub-pc] generated grub.cfg uses /boot with separate boot partition (); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:42:01 UTC [] |
| 09:38.03 | liable | hmm |
| 09:38.37 | babilen | jkx: Then either (i) File a bug or (ii) try to solve the problem |
| 09:38.45 | jkx | since I upgraded to the latest 0.5.13 HAL, my usb mouse doesn't work anymore (my touchpad, is ok). lsusb is fine, found the mouse, but lshal no .. |
| 09:39.48 | jkx | rah, I hate HAL, this stuff sucks ! and debian keep on using that fucking stuff .. life sucks |
| 09:40.10 | liable | such is life |
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| 09:57.04 | Daemonik | Are there any plans to implement diffs for apt? For example, apt retrieving a binary diff between the version of the package currently on the localhost and the latest version which is on the server? |
| 09:57.16 | Daemonik | Rather than downloading a 20mb deb |
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| 09:57.44 | liable | you'd have to ask the apt maintainers i would've thunk |
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| 09:59.55 | liable | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2009-June/011840.html |
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| 10:00.21 | Daemonik | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/sounder/2009-June/011840.html |
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| 10:05.12 | jelly | Daemonik: I think it had been discussed and kind-of-agreed that would place more (cpu) pressure on mirrors, which was less desirable than wasting bandwidth |
| 10:06.07 | Kottizen | I've installed the program "openvpn" so I can have a VPN-server on my server. How do I use/configure it? |
| 10:06.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | you read the documentation, then you apply your knowledge |
| 10:07.02 | Kottizen | Okey |
| 10:07.03 | Kottizen | o_O |
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| 10:09.04 | Daemonik | jelly, Debs aren't built on the mirrors are they? Why not just build the diffs wherever the debs are built? |
| 10:09.51 | jelly | Daemonik: for each interim revision? |
| 10:09.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | note that debian suppots a lot of embeded architectures too. they /don't/ have cpu time to waste |
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| 10:10.20 | jelly | Kamping_Kaiser: irrelevant for this issue |
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| 10:11.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | fair enough. i thought applying bin-diffs was cpu intensive |
| 10:11.19 | Daemonik | jkelly , Yes. The burden on the package maintainers wouldn't be much more than running a script or adding this to a script they already run. Binary diffs aren't *that* cpu intensive are they? |
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| 10:13.32 | Daemonik | Kamping_Kaiser, Even if this were just for i386 and amd64, it would be very beneficial. Also consider situations for organizations (Nokia) that want to support Debian-based systems (internet tablets) that are connected primarily through a 3G modem, it may be worth the trade-off. |
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| 10:13.57 | Daemonik | That is . . if they're even using apt, but point being is that trade-off may make sense in some circumstances. |
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| 10:14.36 | ribasushi | where can I read more about the december freeze status? |
| 10:14.47 | ribasushi | (i.e. whether it is still happening or not) |
| 10:14.52 | liable | !wwlr |
| 10:14.52 | dpkg | IT'S OUT! http://debian.org/News/2009/20090214 |
| 10:14.59 | liable | !wwsr |
| 10:14.59 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a <freeze> starting in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>. |
| 10:17.40 | ribasushi | liable++ |
| 10:17.45 | jelly | judd: info debdelta |
| 10:17.47 | judd | jelly: debdelta (devel): is optional; Version: 0.27; Size: 46.9k; Installed: 156k -- diff and patch utilities which work with Debian packages |
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| 10:21.04 | neoice | !squeeze bet |
| 10:21.04 | dpkg | To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid. |
| 10:21.34 | neoice | !squeeze kernel |
| 10:21.34 | dpkg | i guess squeeze kernel is likely to 2.6.32 and will not have kernel mode setting enabled by default. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00003.html and ask me about <KMS>. |
| 10:21.44 | neoice | !kms |
| 10:21.44 | dpkg | [KMS] Kernel Mode Setting, where the initialization of graphical modes is performed by the kernel instead of X. It is hardware dependent. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModesetting http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00003.html |
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| 10:24.05 | p3rror | is there any one experienced with snort |
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| 10:34.17 | brasilino | g'day... I'm starting a 'debianization' of a software and I'm getting confused how to add a script to resulting package.. anyone ? |
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| 10:35.08 | babilen | !tell p3rror -about anyone |
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| 10:35.32 | Raydiation | hi, will squeeze include gnome 2.30? |
| 10:35.42 | Raydiation | cause you freeze in march already |
| 10:35.43 | babilen | p3rror: I would think that you find them in #snort |
| 10:35.48 | brasilino | at 'install:' rule of debian/rules (made by dh_make) I've add after the last $(MAKE): install -o root -g root -m 0755 $(CURDIR)/pw3270.sh $(CURDIR)/debian/pw3270/usr/bin/pw3270 |
| 10:36.13 | brasilino | but '/usr/bin/pw3270' didn't get packaged.... :( |
| 10:36.58 | p3rror | babilen, i know i'm in, but i get no answear so my second reflex was to ask in debian |
| 10:36.59 | p3rror | :) |
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| 10:40.18 | pihhan | hi |
| 10:40.43 | pihhan | i have problem with checking GPG keys for old etch server for security.debian.org |
| 10:41.07 | pihhan | what should i check, it says on upgrade my packages are from untrusted source |
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| 10:42.23 | pihhan | i remove all sources but security updates, still it thinks packages are not trustworthy |
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| 10:43.00 | pihhan | apt-key list does show 4096R/55BE302B key for lenny |
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| 10:43.34 | Raydiation | wouldnt it be better to freeze with ubuntu and get the latest gnome into debian? |
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| 10:45.02 | babilen | p3rror: Ok, to answer your question. Yes, I think there are people around that have experience with snort. |
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| 10:45.27 | Maulkin | Raydiation: Ubuntu don't freeze |
| 10:45.57 | p3rror | babilen, i think so |
| 10:45.57 | Maulkin | It's also unlikely that we'll take 2.30, it's due to be similar to kde 4.0 |
| 10:46.26 | Raydiation | Maulkin: no kde 4.4? |
| 10:46.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | ubuntu does freeze, just for a much shorter period then debian |
| 10:46.31 | p3rror | babilen, so please can you tell me how can i add a second sensor |
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| 10:46.51 | Maulkin | It really doesn't. |
| 10:46.53 | Superbartt | Hi there guys, I'm having some doubt about the nagios-nrpe-server package, it wants to install a lot of stuff I don't need (for example: smbclient) and I definetly don't want on my servers. Is there a (updated) package available which doesn't install alot of useless stuff? |
| 10:47.00 | Maulkin | Not in anywhere near the same way. |
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| 10:47.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | Other then the length of freeze i can't see a huge difference, but i don't really see it being worth arguing over |
| 10:47.54 | Maulkin | Well, they take the latest gnome at the end of the 'freeze' |
| 10:48.17 | Raydiation | so why dont freeze in april? |
| 10:48.17 | Maulkin | Raydiation: But basically, no. It's very unlikely. |
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| 10:49.06 | neoice | Superbartt: if they're 'suggests' or 'recommends', you can choose to not install them |
| 10:49.17 | Maulkin | Because that's what we've picked as the best date for all teams |
| 10:49.17 | Raydiation | would be great to make debian one of the distros with the last gnome 2.x support |
| 10:49.36 | Maulkin | Not if 2.30 is horribly broken like kde 4.0 was. Which is what is expected. |
| 10:49.37 | Raydiation | Maulkin: but youll take 4.3 right? |
| 10:49.37 | Superbartt | neoice The following NEW packages will be installed:blabla bla radiusclient1 samba-common smbclient :( |
| 10:50.05 | Raydiation | Maulkin: concerning kde |
| 10:50.08 | Maulkin | Raydiation: I'll need to check my mail logs. I'm not entirely sure what the KDE team told us. |
| 10:50.34 | nominee | hello, does anyone know how ftp handles timeouts? is it possible that a ftp-server timeouts while/after a long running put-command (longer than the server-timeout) |
| 10:51.14 | pihhan | is there some way to debug gpg operations inside apt-get ? |
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| 10:53.57 | brasilino | wow.... is there some way to add a file to a debian package ? |
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| 10:55.10 | brasilino | it's interesting.. I can put a file to the <source>/debian/<package>/usr/bin directory |
| 10:55.36 | p3rror | brasilino, if you have sources you may rebuild the deb |
| 10:57.04 | brasilino | but running dpkg-deb --build debian/<package> .. doesn't includes the file... |
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| 10:58.01 | brasilino | weird |
| 10:58.26 | iceroot | brasilino: use rules to copy the file, also see dir if the path is known where to put the package |
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| 11:00.02 | brasilino | I'm doing it: at debian/rules I've added: |
| 11:00.25 | brasilino | install -o root -g root -m 0755 $(CURDIR)/script.sh $(CURDIR)/debian/<package>/usr/bin/script |
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| 11:01.01 | iceroot | brasilino: set CURDIR to debian/packagename |
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| 11:01.57 | brasilino | So my 'script.sh' is copied to the directory 'usr/bin' within the root of my package |
| 11:02.25 | brasilino | and I see it with ' ls debian/<package>/usr/bin' it's there!! |
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| 11:03.25 | brasilino | iceroot: I think it's not necessary, since my sources was 'debianized' with 'dh_make' |
| 11:03.34 | pihhan | sorry, figured that out, you have to use etch/updates as dist, instead updates/main as section name as i had |
| 11:04.02 | brasilino | the script is installed within debian/<package>/usr/bin |
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| 11:04.18 | outlaw84 | I am looking to setup a simple ftp where the users cant leave their home directory, which is the easiest way to do this? |
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| 11:04.56 | Jimi_Neutral | hi all, i have the netinstall iso and im trying to make a bootable cd with it....can someone tell me how |
| 11:05.30 | outlaw84 | Jimi_Neutral: simply burn the iso |
| 11:05.41 | Jimi_Neutral | i tried that and its not booting |
| 11:05.46 | brasilino | the md5sum's script is also added in debian/<package>/DEBIAN/md5sum. :( |
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| 11:06.36 | outlaw84 | Jimi_Neutral: either you burnt the iso-image worng or your computer is not booting from the cdrom-drive |
| 11:06.49 | Jimi_Neutral | i have set it to boot from the cd drive |
| 11:06.56 | Jimi_Neutral | so i am guessing i burnt it wrong |
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| 11:07.02 | Jimi_Neutral | which burning tool do you suggest |
| 11:07.19 | Mallxs | Hi, i have a server in a colo (remote) i sthere a way to start a new install the server has now a xen install and i wanne change that to a normal install |
| 11:07.41 | outlaw84 | Jimi_Neutral: any application that can handle buring from an iso-image, its usually a separete tool in the application |
| 11:07.46 | Mallxs | an no i don't have a tty accaess |
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| 11:08.19 | Jimi_Neutral | could you suggest one that you have used successfully |
| 11:08.28 | Jimi_Neutral | which is free |
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| 11:08.58 | MJEvans | Jimi_Neutral: under linux k3b usually works nicely. Under windows CdBurnerXP |
| 11:09.15 | MJEvans | I suggest bouncing through wikipeda to verify you have the correct link |
| 11:10.14 | Jimi_Neutral | ty |
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| 11:17.51 | Jimi_Neutral | nope, still not booting |
| 11:17.54 | Jimi_Neutral | grrr |
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| 11:22.21 | TheJoe | So ah |
| 11:22.45 | TheJoe | I'm looking at a broken X. I'm being told 'type1' 'freetype' and 'nvidia' don't exist |
| 11:23.03 | TheJoe | I've install xserver-xorg-video-nvidia, so the latter SHOULD exist |
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| 11:24.27 | TheJoe | So uh.... little help? |
| 11:24.53 | azhang2110 | \join #ubuntu-cn |
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| 11:25.12 | zerohero | isn't the xorg nvidia driver called "nv"? |
| 11:25.35 | zerohero | and nvidia's own driver called nvidia |
| 11:26.00 | TheJoe | So should I be changing xorg.conf to say 'nv'? |
| 11:26.19 | zerohero | TheJoe: i think so, yes |
| 11:26.30 | TheJoe | zerohero: I'll give it a go then |
| 11:27.00 | TheJoe | Ah it works |
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| 11:27.11 | TheJoe | I bet I won't get compiz on that drive though :P |
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| 11:28.21 | zerohero | no, i don't think that driver has the needed 3d in it |
| 11:28.28 | TheJoe | Oh - missing icons. This looks like a broken GNOME |
| 11:28.39 | zerohero | there's a nvidia-glx driver, but i never got that working myself |
| 11:28.47 | zerohero | i just install nvidia's own driver |
| 11:28.47 | TheJoe | Well nvidia worked before |
| 11:28.54 | TheJoe | But I kinda dived into the unstable repos |
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| 11:31.21 | TheJoe | nvidia-glx is broken apparently |
| 11:31.31 | TheJoe | Like my GNOME :\ |
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| 11:33.07 | MiraOsladil | Hello :-) Does anyone know if libstdc++5 is supported in squeeze? I cannot find any page about it as libstdc++ is not for squeeze available at this moment |
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| 11:35.53 | Trewas | MiraOsladil: that package is part of gcc-3.x and if it has been dropped (seems so), then libstdc++5 is unlikely to come back |
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| 11:37.49 | MiraOsladil | Trewas: I see. please don't you know any bug where this decision was made? |
| 11:37.59 | TheJoe | So where can I get the actual 'nvidia' X driver |
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| 11:39.25 | Trewas | MiraOsladil: old packages eventually get removed, I don't know if any real decision was needed |
| 11:39.55 | MiraOsladil | Trewas: ok. thank you |
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| 11:58.29 | Jimi_Neutral | which is the best debian archive mirror for the uk |
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| 11:58.56 | Stereo | Jimi_Neutral: find out with apt-spy |
| 11:59.03 | Stereo | dsevil: tell Jimi_Neutral about apt-spy |
| 11:59.10 | Stereo | sorry dsevil |
| 11:59.18 | Stereo | dpkg: tell Jimi_Neutral about apt-spy |
| 11:59.19 | rozie | hello |
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| 12:00.04 | rozie | need advise/help with building live image |
| 12:00.04 | rozie | lh_config -b usb-hdd -a amd64 -p kde-desktop --packages debootstrap openssh-server cfdisk tshark vlan && lh_build |
| 12:00.05 | Stereo | Jimi_Neutral: what dpkg says about overwriting the sources.list isn't true anymore |
| 12:00.08 | rozie | it's downloading packages |
| 12:00.12 | rozie | then... |
| 12:00.14 | rozie | I: Extracting zlib1g... |
| 12:00.22 | rozie | W: Failure trying to run: chroot /home/rozie/tmp/livedebian/chroot mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 12:00.31 | Jimi_Neutral | what |
| 12:00.33 | rozie | P: Begin unmounting filesystems... |
| 12:00.46 | rozie | and there's no img file |
| 12:01.03 | rozie | any ideas what may be wrong? |
| 12:02.16 | rozie | lh_build in this directory gives |
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| 12:03.14 | Jimi_Neutral | cant find package apt spy |
| 12:04.15 | d1b | judd: apt-spy |
| 12:04.15 | judd | d1b: Error: "apt-spy" is not a valid command. |
| 12:04.40 | Jimi_Neutral | sudo apt-get install apt-spy |
| 12:04.43 | Jimi_Neutral | doesnt work |
| 12:04.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | judd: versions apt-spy |
| 12:04.45 | d1b | judd: versions apt-spy |
| 12:04.45 | judd | Kamping_Kaiser: apt-spy -- etch: 3.1-16 lenny: 3.1-19 sid: 3.1-19 squeeze: 3.1-19 |
| 12:04.47 | judd | d1b: apt-spy -- etch: 3.1-16 lenny: 3.1-19 sid: 3.1-19 squeeze: 3.1-19 |
| 12:04.48 | Jimi_Neutral | cant find package |
| 12:04.54 | d1b | Kamping_Kaiser: you got it before i did. |
| 12:04.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | d1b: ;) |
| 12:05.00 | d1b | ;) |
| 12:05.02 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'tamarack.dat' returned no results. |
| 12:05.14 | Jimi_Neutral | doesi t not work on ubuntu |
| 12:05.20 | d1b | judd: it should. |
| 12:05.20 | d1b | erh Jimi_Neutral * |
| 12:05.20 | judd | d1b: Error: "it" is not a valid command. |
| 12:05.23 | d1b | !ubuntu |
| 12:05.39 | d1b | bots running slow today ? |
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| 12:05.54 | d1b | judd: this isn't #ubuntu . |
| 12:05.54 | rozie | will try to build i386 image... |
| 12:05.54 | judd | d1b: Error: "this" is not a valid command. |
| 12:06.05 | d1b | erh damn it tab fail. Jimi_Neutral -> this isn't #ubuntu |
| 12:06.14 | Kamping_Kaiser | rozie: try #debian-live on oftc |
| 12:06.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | d1b: dpkg left before you !ubuntu-ed |
| 12:06.54 | d1b | Kamping_Kaiser: why ? ... |
| 12:07.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | d1b: dont know, but in the ~30 sec dpkg was gone, you !ubuntu'd. |
| 12:07.21 | Jimi_Neutral | i know this isnt ubuntu...but how can i apt spy on the machine im puttnig debian on....i need to apt spy from this ubuntu machine |
| 12:07.51 | d1b | Jimi_Neutral: do you really need apt-spy ? |
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| 12:08.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | why not just download debian? |
| 12:08.21 | Jimi_Neutral | d1b, i dunno, i just asked which was the best one and someone said use apt spy |
| 12:08.36 | d1b | Jimi_Neutral: it will just tell you a fast mirror for you. going with any on the list (sponsored mirrors) should be fine. |
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| 12:08.43 | Jimi_Neutral | i have downlaoded debian i am installing it as we speak and its asking me to select a debian archive mirror |
| 12:08.49 | d1b | Jimi_Neutral: OH. |
| 12:08.55 | d1b | just select one near you! |
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| 12:09.27 | Jimi_Neutral | ok i have gone for virgin |
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| 12:10.15 | ^shark_ | i am trying to view the contents of my usb which has an .exe to install, i have already installed wine. |
| 12:10.20 | ^shark_ | how can i see my usb |
| 12:10.30 | d1b | ^shark_: in wine ? |
| 12:10.36 | ^shark_ | yes |
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| 12:11.08 | ^shark_ | first i need to know if my usb device is visible |
| 12:11.12 | Leoneof` | hi |
| 12:11.13 | ^shark_ | in debian |
| 12:11.30 | Leoneof` | i installed Debian, but NTFS drivers is not work, how to make it work? |
| 12:11.40 | d1b | Leoneof`: "doesn't work" |
| 12:11.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | !ntfs |
| 12:11.42 | dpkg | [ntfs] Windows NT File System. There are 3 main drivers in Debian: the Linux kernel driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also <ntfsclone>, <ntfsck>, <label>. FAQ: http://linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfs-en . http://wiki.debian.org/NTFS http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
| 12:11.55 | d1b | Kamping_Kaiser: that is a bit verbose and wrong really. |
| 12:12.01 | d1b | !ntfs-3g |
| 12:12.01 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is, like, a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 12:12.03 | ^shark_ | Leoneof look at fuse |
| 12:12.06 | Leoneof` | d1b: my bad english ^_^ |
| 12:12.11 | Leoneof` | thanks ^_^ |
| 12:12.14 | d1b | Leoneof`: look at the ntfs-3g link. |
| 12:12.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | d1b: I don't use ntfs, so I've no idea. perhaps you should re-teach dpkg the !ntfs so its correct :) |
| 12:12.38 | d1b | Kamping_Kaiser: the ntfs factoid should probably just be ntfs-3g. |
| 12:14.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | go for broke :) |
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| 12:15.17 | Leoneof` | the software in Ubuntu DVD will work in Debian? |
| 12:15.22 | ^shark_ | :) |
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| 12:16.32 | Leoneof` | <_< |
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| 12:16.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | Leoneof`: no |
| 12:17.38 | ^shark_ | where does debian store usb devices that have been mounted? |
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| 12:18.11 | zinx | ^shark_: depends on where you mounted them... pmount and friends like mounting to /media/* |
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| 12:19.31 | ^shark_ | zinx: i see lots of devices mounted with usb, i would like to know which is my device by viewing the contents |
| 12:20.18 | zinx | ^shark_: ... so view the contents? |
| 12:20.52 | ^shark_ | yes, idk how to do so |
| 12:20.58 | zinx | ls /media/*/? |
| 12:21.31 | ^shark_ | there are so may in this directory |
| 12:21.48 | zinx | so you want to view the contents |
| 12:21.51 | ^shark_ | i want to open my usb device and view its contents |
| 12:21.55 | zinx | without having all the trouble of viewing any contents? |
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| 12:22.04 | ^shark_ | yes |
| 12:22.15 | zinx | ok, i don't think i can help with that |
| 12:22.42 | zinx | you can try nautilus or something |
| 12:22.54 | ^shark_ | ok |
| 12:23.02 | zinx | and do note that the flash drive will be mounted with the filesystem label if it has one |
| 12:23.08 | zinx | otherwise it will be disk* (by default) |
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| 12:31.22 | DGnome | Hi! Which tool replaces sysvconfig in Squeeze? |
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| 12:35.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | inisserv iir |
| 12:35.52 | DGnome | chkconfig seemed to do the job also :) |
| 12:36.06 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
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| 12:36.52 | neure | how do i disable password limitations? |
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| 12:37.14 | joltcan | neure: Is it me, or does that sound like a really bad idea? :) |
| 12:37.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | neure: what sort of limitations? |
| 12:37.56 | neure | joltcan, well it's a development machine only accessible froma lan |
| 12:38.09 | neure | like too short |
| 12:38.09 | joltcan | neure: then use an ssh key like everyone else? |
| 12:38.28 | rozie | Kamping_Kaiser: OK, but no need. i386 builds fine |
| 12:38.40 | neure | a script needs to loop mount a filesystem image to modify it |
| 12:38.46 | rozie | so it's probably kernel (32bit on build host) fault |
| 12:39.01 | neure | currently we have sudo there |
| 12:39.06 | rozie | just thaught chroot won't be necessary |
| 12:39.08 | neure | because mount needs that |
| 12:39.17 | neure | but sudo needs a password |
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| 12:39.59 | joltcan | neure: you can set NOPASSWD for sudo commands |
| 12:40.17 | neure | joltcan, interesting, how does it work in that case? |
| 12:40.35 | neure | we have this: echo $1 | sudo -S mount -o loop foo.ext2 t |
| 12:40.43 | neure | its really ugly i know.. |
| 12:41.10 | neure | i wish it would be possible to loop mount with root access :( |
| 12:41.20 | woden | I just added a second hard drive and installed debian on it. I setup my grub conf like this: http://fpaste.org/pxw9/ Debian starts to boot but then fails and leaves me at prompt that says (initramfs). How do I fix this? |
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| 12:41.44 | joltcan | neure: %a_nice_group ALL=NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/mount_something |
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| 12:42.01 | joltcan | neure: or remove %a_nice_group and put a username there instead |
| 12:42.06 | joltcan | neure: or just google it (tm) |
| 12:42.18 | peope | Is it possible to reconfigure the network after skipping it during installation? |
| 12:42.21 | neure | joltcan, can you expand that to someone like me who doesn't do linux everyday? |
| 12:42.38 | neure | whats that nice group thing for? |
| 12:43.05 | neure | apparently every user is in their own group |
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| 12:43.42 | peope | nice is a program for setting priority on processes |
| 12:43.57 | neure | i know that but he probably mean "a nice group" |
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| 12:44.02 | joltcan | neure: there are a million options to sudo, but in short, create a group, add everyone who should be allowed to run the command in there, and put a % before the groupname (defines that it is a group" |
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| 12:44.28 | neure | where do i put this? |
| 12:44.33 | neure | shell command? |
| 12:44.36 | neure | some file? |
| 12:44.43 | joltcan | visudo, sorry |
| 12:44.50 | joltcan | it's a command |
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| 12:45.36 | neure | hmm |
| 12:45.41 | neure | user privilege specification |
| 12:45.45 | neure | i have a few users only here |
| 12:45.46 | neure | timo ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 12:45.57 | neure | could i modify that somehow? |
| 12:46.06 | neure | add NOPASSWD somewhere? |
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| 12:46.25 | joltcan | neure: No, a new line |
| 12:46.29 | neure | ok |
| 12:46.36 | joltcan | neure: ALL ALL=NOPASSWD:/bin/false |
| 12:46.51 | neure | how about: timo ALL=NPASSWD: ALL |
| 12:46.56 | neure | whats that /bin/false for? |
| 12:46.57 | joltcan | thats fine |
| 12:47.01 | neure | good |
| 12:47.06 | neure | i like to keep it simple |
| 12:47.10 | joltcan | neure: NOPASSWD, not NPASSWD |
| 12:47.21 | neure | right, typo |
| 12:47.27 | joltcan | neure: so now everyone can run all commands, or at least timo can |
| 12:48.18 | KnuckOne | peope: yes it's possible if you use CD1 instead of netinst one and configure /etc/network/interfaces _after_ the install |
| 12:48.23 | neure | but.. : ALL does that? |
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| 12:48.34 | neure | or :/bin/false ? |
| 12:48.36 | neure | or both? |
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| 12:51.56 | Foxdie | Hi all, I've been fiddling with services on debian running on a pda |
| 12:52.05 | Foxdie | there's a service that automatically starts on bootup and crashes the PDA |
| 12:52.28 | neure | nice :) |
| 12:52.42 | Foxdie | It's pretty much the same as a typical debian system, I can edit the kernel boot line before booting, how can I disable services that run on startup, ie like a safe mode? |
| 12:53.02 | Foxdie | well I say it crashes the pda, it doesn't actually crash it |
| 12:53.08 | Foxdie | it kills all TTYs |
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| 12:53.18 | Foxdie | So I can't log in to disable the service ^_^ |
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| 12:54.14 | neure | i dont know about debian, but you might be able to flash your pda |
| 12:54.18 | C2H5OH | hi, is anyone having trouble with grub2 in sid? |
| 12:54.41 | zinx | C2H5OH: you, i'm going to guess. in general, no, it works fine |
| 12:54.48 | C2H5OH | I can't load the linux module (from grub rescue mode) because it says it can't find the "grub_gettext" symbol |
| 12:55.14 | C2H5OH | some modules can be loaded, some others can't |
| 12:55.28 | KnuckOne | all is ok here C2H5OH |
| 12:55.31 | C2H5OH | the important ones, obviously report the error |
| 12:56.15 | C2H5OH | I'm afraid the modules I'm trying to load are from an older grub2 package |
| 12:56.35 | Foxdie | it's not a case of flashing it |
| 12:56.37 | C2H5OH | the moudles should be installed in /boot/grub, right? |
| 12:56.43 | Foxdie | it's still got dreaded windows mobile on there |
| 12:56.44 | joltcan | neure: ALL means all commands, or add a single command after NOPASSWD:, just like my /bin/false example |
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| 12:57.02 | Foxdie | the filesystems on a SDHC card, I don't have an SDHC card reader :) |
| 12:57.09 | Facu | hello? |
| 12:57.11 | woden | I just added a second hard drive and installed debian on it. I setup my grub conf like this: http://fpaste.org/pxw9/ Debian starts to boot but then fails and leaves me at prompt that says (initramfs). How do I fix this? |
| 12:57.22 | Foxdie | it boots via a windows executable |
| 12:57.36 | Foxdie | it reads kernel paramters from a text file |
| 12:57.43 | Facu | alguien habla español? |
| 12:57.45 | KnuckOne | Foxdie: add "single" (without the quotes) to the kernel boot line, as single user only vital services are started |
| 12:57.46 | azeem | !es |
| 12:57.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 12:57.51 | Foxdie | so I can change that, not sure if I can use that to disable services |
| 12:57.58 | Foxdie | KnuckOne, thanks dude, will try now :) |
| 12:58.32 | Facu | bye ;) |
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| 13:00.21 | TheJoe | So it's clear using unstable repos isn't a good idea |
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| 13:00.32 | TheJoe | But I don't like being 0.06 versions down in GNOME :\ |
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| 13:03.42 | mrfree | hi all |
| 13:04.30 | jelly | !sns |
| 13:04.31 | dpkg | [sns syndrome] a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 13:05.09 | mrfree | how can I install mssql support for php5 in lenny?? |
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| 13:05.21 | neure | joltcan, ok, for my case, ALL is fine |
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| 13:14.39 | Foxdie | sorted, thankyou for your help all :) |
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| 13:16.05 | woden | I just added a second hard drive and installed debian on it. I setup my grub conf like this: http://fpaste.org/O4y9/ Debian starts to boot but then fails and leaves me at prompt that says (initramfs). How do I fix this? |
| 13:18.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | woden: your kernel line looks quite short |
| 13:18.30 | tazle | if sending a bug report with reportbug fails for some reason, and the report is saved in a file, how should I retry sending it? |
| 13:23.26 | woden | Kamping_Kaiser, What should it look like? |
| 13:23.54 | Kamping_Kaiser | woden: I'm using grub2 sorry, so i don't have a handy example |
| 13:24.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | tazle: iirc pipe it directly into your mta |
| 13:24.20 | woden | Kamping_Kaiser, Ok thanks though. Anyone else have a handy example? |
| 13:24.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | gl |
| 13:24.52 | rvsjoen | woden: does the initrd exist ? |
| 13:25.10 | woden | rvsjoen, Yes it does. It is in the /boot directory |
| 13:25.20 | tazle | Kamping_Kaiser: I do not have properly configured MTA, and I'd rather not even attempt to configure one on this host |
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| 13:25.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | tazle: other thenn copying the relevant parts into a new email, i can't think of anything. |
| 13:25.54 | woden | rvsjoen, -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 7175840 2009-10-12 13:32 initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686 |
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| 13:26.15 | rvsjoen | woden: it doesn't say anything else when it fails ? no errors or anything ? |
| 13:27.04 | woden | rvsjoen, Well it starts to boot fine then when it gets to the point of loading the CD rom driver it waits for a few minutes, then it stops and I'm left with a (initramfs) prompt. |
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| 13:27.37 | rvsjoen | try adding the root= options to the kernel line |
| 13:27.56 | xreal | Does anyone know a nice way to spread big files (10-30 GB) via LAN to 200 computers? Something like p2p ... Bittorrent isn't created for this. |
| 13:28.10 | rvsjoen | mine looks like this 'kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-686 root=/dev/sda3 ro' |
| 13:28.24 | rozie | xreal: multicast? |
| 13:28.44 | xreal | xreal: Don't know how to use it. |
| 13:28.44 | woden | rvsjoen, Does this look right? http://fpaste.org/JdF8/ |
| 13:28.52 | xreal | eeeh @ rozie ;-) |
| 13:29.00 | rvsjoen | check out uftp, it is ftp over udp (multicast), I never used it and have no idea how mature it is |
| 13:29.24 | woden | rvsjoen, Oops, or should it be root=/dev/sdb1 ro |
| 13:29.26 | rozie | xreal: well, it won't be easy. and you have to have support in hardware |
| 13:29.30 | rozie | (switches) |
| 13:29.37 | rozie | but should work pretty well |
| 13:29.40 | rvsjoen | sdb1 seems correct |
| 13:29.47 | xreal | rozie: Isn't there a software solution? I don't have access to the network-hardware |
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| 13:30.11 | rozie | if it's one-time action, then it's probably not worth of work required |
| 13:30.27 | xreal | once a week |
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| 13:30.50 | rozie | I'd go for multicast |
| 13:31.03 | xreal | rozie: Can you tell me a way to start doing this? |
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| 13:31.22 | rozie | xreal: you need to have access to hardware |
| 13:31.29 | rozie | and multicast support in hardware |
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| 13:40.08 | woden | rvsjoen, It sort of works now. But at the very beginning I get this: "Loading, please wait...resume: libgcrypt version 1.4.1 resume: Could not stat the resume device file '/dev/sda5' Please type in the full path name to try again or press ENTER to boot the system:" If I press ENTER it boots fine. But I get this message every time I try to boot up Debian. |
| 13:40.21 | Facu | hi? |
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| 13:41.38 | jelly | woden: does /dev/sda5 even exist at this point? Did it exist in the past/ |
| 13:41.39 | jelly | ? |
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| 13:42.57 | woden | jelly, I think it existed in the past, but now it is /dev/sdb5 instead of /dev/sda5 |
| 13:42.58 | jelly | woden: if you want uswsusp hibernation to work, you might want to correct the device in /etc/uswsusp.conf, or your manually set-up resume= boot parameter |
| 13:43.33 | jelly | or nuke uswsusp completely if you don't need it |
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| 13:44.15 | woden | jelly, I just corrected it in /etc/uswsusp.conf. Thanks for the help. |
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| 13:48.34 | woden | jelly, I made the change in /etc/uswsusp.conf but I still get the error. How can I fix this? |
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| 13:49.24 | jelly | woden: don't run away before I tell you you might need to update-initramfs |
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| 13:49.49 | jelly | or maybe update-grub |
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| 13:50.02 | jelly | wherever uswsusp puts its stuff |
| 13:50.10 | woden | jelly, I'm on Fedora 12 right now. Can I do that from here? |
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| 13:50.37 | woden | jelly, or do I need to do it when I am booted into Debian? |
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| 13:51.01 | jelly | woden: if you know how to mount it and chroot into it... |
| 13:51.11 | woden | I know how to mount it yes. |
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| 13:51.30 | wootR_- | is there some sort of free thing to monitor the bandwidth of the WHOLE machine, not only the web |
| 13:51.34 | woden | jelly, But I don't know how to chroot into it |
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| 13:52.41 | Jimi_Neutral | i am trying to use ifconfig to see my network settings but it keeps telling me that my name is not in the sudoers file and will be reported |
| 13:52.43 | jelly | woden: something link mount --bind /dev /mountpoint/dev && mount --bind /sys /mountpoint/sys (and also maybe /proc) && chroot /mountpoint |
| 13:52.48 | Jimi_Neutral | how to i grant access to this username |
| 13:52.52 | jelly | s/link/like/ |
| 13:52.55 | woden | Or, if I don't care about suspend or hibernate, how do I get rid of it entirely? |
| 13:53.00 | woden | jelly: ^ |
| 13:53.17 | jelly | woden: purge the package |
| 13:53.27 | woden | jelly: like apt-get -r uswsusp |
| 13:53.27 | woden | ? |
| 13:53.57 | jelly | woden: like aptitude purge uswsusp or apt-get --purge remove uswsusp |
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| 13:54.35 | woden | ok |
| 13:54.36 | Symbi0nt | has anyone a bash shell file where with cksfv sfv files hwere recursively created? |
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| 13:56.17 | KnuckOne | Jimi_Neutral:as root => adduser yourusername sudo (and then relog) |
| 13:56.33 | KnuckOne | or use su instead ;) |
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| 13:57.45 | jelly | KnuckOne: debian doesn't use the sudo group that way by default |
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| 13:58.49 | Jimi_Neutral | KnuckOne, ty :) |
| 13:58.49 | jelly | Jimi_Neutral: also, ifconfig works fine for normal users if you're just taking a look. |
| 13:59.19 | KnuckOne | hu jelly, it's actually how my sudoers comes by default |
| 13:59.21 | jelly | Jimi_Neutral: it's just that /sbin isn't in user's default path. |
| 13:59.31 | jelly | KnuckOne: which debian release? |
| 13:59.39 | KnuckOne | teseting/unstable |
| 13:59.55 | Jimi_Neutral | jelly, so how do i now get back to using my name rather than root |
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| 14:00.14 | jelly | Jimi_Neutral: huh? exit the root shell? |
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| 14:00.31 | jelly | open a second terminal? |
| 14:00.37 | KnuckOne | jelly: http://tinyurl.com/yk27hrz |
| 14:00.48 | Jimi_Neutral | jelly, ah, lol duh ty |
| 14:01.12 | jelly | KnuckOne: hrm, it's commented out for me. |
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| 14:01.36 | Foxdie | Hello again :) |
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| 14:02.01 | Foxdie | Is there any way to get Debian to somehow log every little change to an iface? |
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| 14:02.53 | Foxdie | I have a GPRS / 3G modem, when I power it up, for a brief moment I get full internet connectivity, then my ISP changes my IP address and I get blacklisted |
| 14:03.01 | Foxdie | well, blacklisted is a bad choice of word |
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| 14:03.32 | `deb | proxy |
| 14:04.00 | woden | jelly, I have another issue. My eth0 isn't coming up. When I try to bring it up I get this error: http://fpaste.org/a1wj/ |
| 14:04.22 | Foxdie | basically, any customer who hasn't paid their bill they get redirected to a.. captive portal |
| 14:04.23 | woden | How do I turn on my eth0? I'm connected to a router that is a dhcp server. |
| 14:04.25 | Foxdie | reminding them to top up |
| 14:04.30 | cantoma | guys, i am trying to mount an usbkey using "mount /dev/sdc1 /media/usbkey/" and i got an error message saying that only root is able to do it. How can i give permissions for the user to mount anything? |
| 14:04.33 | abrotman | woden: dmesg | grep eth |
| 14:04.33 | Foxdie | woden; ifconfig eth0 up ? |
| 14:04.45 | Foxdie | or just ifup eth0 if there's a script for it |
| 14:05.11 | jelly | any by script, Foxdie means a configuration stanza in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:05.14 | jelly | and* |
| 14:05.38 | abrotman | Foxdie: nothing appears in the logs ? |
| 14:05.50 | Foxdie | that I do :) |
| 14:05.59 | Foxdie | (in responce to woden / jelly) |
| 14:06.00 | woden | brb I'll go check all that |
| 14:06.03 | jelly | woden: this might be the reason for "eth0" not existing:/msg dpkg z25 |
| 14:06.07 | cantoma | in my fstab i have this -> /dev/usbkey /media/usbkey auto user,defaults 0 0 |
| 14:06.08 | Foxdie | abrotman, nope |
| 14:06.14 | Foxdie | it's all DHCP |
| 14:06.19 | `deb | tg networks prolly proxie |
| 14:06.28 | `deb | 3g |
| 14:06.38 | Foxdie | it connects up, it gets one IP address, then over the period of about 2-3 seconds it'll work, then not |
| 14:06.39 | abrotman | that wouldn't explain why he gets, then loses, internet connectivity |
| 14:07.04 | Foxdie | then by the time I can check it, the IP has changed again |
| 14:07.25 | Foxdie | so what I need is some way to monitor / log changes of interface IP address / routing table |
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| 14:08.00 | Jimi_Neutral | ok i have just added 'james' to the sudoers file and ifconfig still does not work, still says the incident will be reported |
| 14:08.31 | Foxdie | The only way I know this works is because as soon as I take my interface up, I'll start a ping command to a public IP address |
| 14:08.46 | Foxdie | I'll get maybe 1-2 responses before it's locked down again |
| 14:08.52 | abrotman | Foxdie: thought to call the ISP to see if your bill is paid up, etc ? |
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| 14:09.05 | Foxdie | Well, I haven't paid them a penny ever |
| 14:09.11 | radoe | Jimi_Neutral: what exactly did you add to /etc/sudoers? |
| 14:09.20 | Foxdie | They had a free promotion on to get a 3G USB modem |
| 14:09.29 | Foxdie | and it came with a pay-as-you-go (pre-pay) SIM card |
| 14:09.43 | Foxdie | it worked when I got it, now it doesn't, they expect paying naturally ;) |
| 14:10.00 | Jimi_Neutral | radoe, i changed to root and did 'adduser james sudo' and then relogged |
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| 14:10.05 | Foxdie | But, there's a hole in their connectivity process because for that brief moment, there is connectivity |
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| 14:11.36 | Foxdie | when I bring the iface up and start a ping, about 2 seconds after starting the ping, I'll get a single response, then nothing again |
| 14:11.50 | Foxdie | just dropped packets after that |
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| 14:12.18 | Foxdie | So I deduce there's a brief moment where it has a particular IP / routing table that gives it full connectivity |
| 14:12.37 | abrotman | but you can't verify that your IP is changing at all |
| 14:12.48 | woden | abrotman, dmesg | grep eth0 I get this error: http://fpaste.org/OD9c/ |
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| 14:12.50 | Foxdie | is that a statement, a question or rhetorical? |
| 14:12.55 | CQ | hello, I just installed testing but there was no network, now I have a minimal system and a minimal sources.list ... what's the best way to get the rest of the installation? manually edit sources.list, or can I rerun package selection? |
| 14:13.05 | Jimi_Neutral | radoe, i didnt have to do this with ubuntu, im gettign messages about a lecture from the sys admin in the terminal too |
| 14:13.23 | abrotman | Foxdie: all! |
| 14:13.51 | abrotman | !tell woden about z25 |
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| 14:14.02 | abrotman | bot? |
| 14:14.15 | abrotman | dpkg: z25 |
| 14:14.22 | abrotman | guess i'm ignored |
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| 14:14.52 | woden | abrotman, So would "ifconfig eth1 up" work? |
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| 14:15.06 | abrotman | woden: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25<tab> .. (can't remember the exact file name) .. delete the non-comment lines .. reboot |
| 14:15.39 | d1b | abrotman: i thought dpkg was being silly before... |
| 14:15.45 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 14:15.54 | abrotman | he's taking black friday off ... |
| 14:16.47 | d1b | abrotman: its saturday here! |
| 14:16.47 | d1b | dpkg stop slacking off. |
| 14:16.47 | abrotman | oh .. maybe he was getting split ? |
| 14:16.47 | d1b | perhaps... |
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| 14:21.46 | abrotman | KnuckOne: which grep ? |
| 14:21.54 | abrotman | eh .. that's a command .. 'which grep' |
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| 14:22.13 | radoe | Jimi_Neutral: 1) Debian is not Ubuntu, 2) Ubuntu preconfigures /etc/sudoers |
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| 14:22.19 | KnuckOne | /bin/grep |
| 14:22.34 | abrotman | KnuckOne: grep deb /etc/motd ? |
| 14:22.53 | Jimi_Neutral | radoe, ok so what would be the command to edit sudoers cause i have what i need to put in it |
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| 14:23.07 | abrotman | visudo |
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| 14:23.26 | radoe | Jimi_Neutral: And without changing /etc/sudoers too yout change with adduser above is worthless. |
| 14:23.41 | Jimi_Neutral | radoe, so i towuld appear |
| 14:23.51 | KnuckOne | yes, indeed abrotman for that case it's ok, it was an exemple, i mean that in general if i use grep (or sed/awk whatever) after a pipe, it tells me the command cannot be found ;) |
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| 14:24.05 | abrotman | KnuckOne: using sudo/root ? |
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| 14:24.26 | Jimi_Neutral | radoe, so what would command would i give to edit it |
| 14:24.26 | KnuckOne | no, as user and no sudo |
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| 14:25.18 | radoe | Jimi_Neutral: visudo, as abrotman just told you. |
| 14:25.21 | abrotman | KnuckOne: cat /etc/motd | /bin/grep motd ? |
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| 14:25.47 | KnuckOne | this one works :) |
| 14:25.51 | Jimi_Neutral | radoe, i didnt know he was talking to me |
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| 14:28.39 | woden | abrotman, I can't find any z25 on my system. I typed "find / -name 'z25*' -print" and nothing came up. And it is not in my /etc/udev/rules.d/ directory. |
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| 14:29.00 | abrotman | woden: oh, maybe z70 |
| 14:29.02 | woden | abrotman, And I tried "ifconfig eth1 up" and it came up but it did not get an IP address. |
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| 14:29.34 | abrotman | erm .. 70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 14:30.35 | woden | abrotman, -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 768 2009-11-27 14:33 70-persistent-net.rules |
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| 14:30.54 | abrotman | woden: right. . go in that file and delete non-commented lines |
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| 14:31.26 | woden | abrotman, Alright, now when I boot up Debian it will give me eth0? |
| 14:31.37 | d1b | woden: no. it might not :) |
| 14:31.49 | d1b | eth0, might be called eth1 / something else. depends. |
| 14:31.50 | abrotman | woden: it should |
| 14:31.51 | woden | d1b, I want eth0 to auto start and grab an IP config from the router. |
| 14:32.00 | abrotman | d1b: that's what we're trying to fix ... |
| 14:32.16 | d1b | abrotman: "fix" ? ... it is just an interface name... |
| 14:32.18 | woden | abrotman, Should I restart now and try or is there anything else I should do? |
| 14:32.24 | abrotman | woden: yes |
| 14:32.27 | woden | brb |
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| 14:32.41 | abrotman | d1b: some people prefer certain names ... |
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| 14:33.00 | d1b | abrotman: probably... (note:i call my eth0 "dmz"). :) |
| 14:33.13 | sebastian_ | Hi. I've upgraded grub-pc to 1.97+20091125-1 yesterday. My PC now doesn't boot anymore. update-grub produces menuentries with /boot/vmlinuz... whereas it should only be /vmlinuz since I've got a separate partition for /boot. |
| 14:33.27 | sebastian_ | Is it a bug withing grub-pc or is my config messed up? |
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| 14:33.35 | rajeshsr | hi |
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| 14:34.00 | rajeshsr | when am in home folder typing: du -sh . produces: 3.4G |
| 14:34.14 | d1b | rajeshsr: yes and... |
| 14:34.23 | rajeshsr | when using the gui browser it reports 2.3 GB |
| 14:34.45 | rajeshsr | so what it means?! whom to believe?! :P |
| 14:35.04 | rajeshsr | nautilus i mean.. |
| 14:35.17 | rajeshsr | why this inconsistency? |
| 14:35.20 | rajeshsr | a bug? |
| 14:35.43 | d1b | rajeshsr: probably not a bug. |
| 14:35.50 | abrotman | thumbnails ? |
| 14:35.56 | d1b | you may have some . files that nautilus is not including. |
| 14:36.02 | KnuckOne | abrotman: i found the problem about that "| grep". it's due to the fact that french keyboard layout requires altgr to get a pipe, and the error occurs when i keep alt-gr pressed when using the space bar... and chr 160 != chr 32 :) |
| 14:36.10 | d1b | try going to /home in nautilus and then asking for the file size of the folder. |
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| 14:36.37 | abrotman | KnuckOne: icky |
| 14:36.38 | jelly | rajeshsr: and du -sH? and what about du -sh --apparent-size? |
| 14:37.32 | jelly | rajeshsr: eh, make that du -sh --si instead of du -sH |
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| 14:37.58 | karonte | salve |
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| 14:40.09 | karonte | ragazzi, io non riesco a far partire l'audio dalla mia skeda |
| 14:40.15 | karonte | utilizzo l'uscita digitale ottica |
| 14:40.16 | woden | abrotman, Every time I boot Debian it puts non-commented lines back into that file. |
| 14:40.37 | d1b | woden: of course it does. its supported to do that! |
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| 14:40.53 | rajeshsr | du -sH gives 3.6G |
| 14:41.01 | d1b | woden: you can edit eth0 to be eth1 and then eth0 to be eth1, as per that file btw. |
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| 14:41.11 | d1b | if you really want eth0... as "eth0" |
| 14:41.18 | rajeshsr | du -sh gives 3.4G |
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| 14:41.25 | jelly | rajeshsr: oh no, du is inconsistent with itself! |
| 14:41.39 | abrotman | woden: it's supposed to .. is eth0 back or not ? |
| 14:42.01 | jelly | !it |
| 14:42.04 | dpkg | Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
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| 14:43.11 | woden | abrotman, d1b, It's too much to paste here. Here are the results: http://fpaste.org/dzN5/ |
| 14:43.28 | abrotman | woden: dmesg | grep eth |
| 14:43.44 | woden | abrotman, http://fpaste.org/dzN5/ |
| 14:43.50 | abrotman | damn .. he's fast! |
| 14:44.06 | woden | I try to be helpful to those who are helping me :) |
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| 14:44.16 | abrotman | woden: put that 70 file in the pastebin also |
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| 14:45.19 | woden | abrotman, http://fpaste.org/qR6a/ |
| 14:46.04 | abrotman | woden: change eth1 to eth0 .. rebooty |
| 14:46.14 | abrotman | shouldn't have had to do that .. but whatever |
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| 14:46.33 | woden | abrotman, you mean, of course, in that file change eth1 to eth0? |
| 14:46.38 | cpierce | does debian have anything particular to scan port 80 traffic to file ... i'd like to see where people are going on my network which is behind a debian firewall |
| 14:46.42 | d1b | abrotman: he shouldn't have two eth0's .... (haven't seen the paste tho). |
| 14:46.43 | abrotman | woden: yes |
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| 14:46.52 | abrotman | d1b: he doesn't .. |
| 14:46.57 | d1b | good :) |
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| 14:47.20 | d1b | cpierce: what do you mean exactly tho ? |
| 14:47.25 | d1b | something like ntop ? |
| 14:47.26 | abrotman | cpierce: you could use a proxy, or use something like ntop that tracks traffic usage |
| 14:47.47 | rajeshsr | jelly, so is that a bug? |
| 14:47.59 | rajeshsr | did anyone get same behavior? |
| 14:48.00 | cpierce | d1b: ok i'll check into that ... i just want something clean that says INTERNAL IP ADDRESS 192.168.1.101 went to www.google.com [timestamp] |
| 14:48.29 | d1b | cpierce: id suggest either a proxy or ntop.... |
| 14:48.32 | llutz | cpierce: ntop |
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| 14:48.34 | abrotman | i said that! |
| 14:48.38 | d1b | proxy is probably what you are after more so tho... |
| 14:48.44 | d1b | abrotman: i said it first! |
| 14:48.55 | abrotman | but with less authority! |
| 14:49.25 | Desdic | Hi all .. if I manually build netatalk (due to SSL support) how do I keep it from beeing upgraded when doing a apt-get upgrade ? |
| 14:49.28 | abrotman | cpierce: if you're going to end up blocking certain sites, you'll want a proxy |
| 14:49.39 | abrotman | !tell Desdic about hold |
| 14:49.43 | jelly | rajeshsr: have you read what the options do and how it might affect the total? It's not a bug. |
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| 14:49.49 | xk | !tell me about test |
| 14:50.04 | abrotman | thinks xk got lost ... |
| 14:50.07 | cpierce | abrotman: not blocking just watching |
| 14:50.10 | xk | :) |
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| 14:50.31 | fasdfasd | hi |
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| 14:50.43 | rajeshsr | jelly, ha, ok! :) |
| 14:50.52 | rajeshsr | it is in power of 1000 |
| 14:50.57 | Desdic | abrotman: thanks |
| 14:51.10 | rajeshsr | so what about the inconsistency between du and nautilus? |
| 14:51.16 | fasdfasd | hi |
| 14:51.20 | abrotman | so you said .. |
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| 14:52.07 | fasdfasd | hi |
| 14:52.14 | abrotman | so you said .. |
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| 14:52.29 | fasdfasd | hello |
| 14:52.37 | abrotman | fasdfasd: we can see you .. Do you need Debian help? |
| 14:53.15 | fasdfasd | sorry, |
| 14:53.19 | WhiteCrow1 | Hi all of you'r guy's |
| 14:53.46 | d1b | as evil as ever! |
| 14:53.50 | WhiteCrow1 | how can i install flash player on debian ? |
| 14:53.53 | fasdfasd | "i |
| 14:53.55 | cpierce | thanks everyone ntop is exactly what i was looking for |
| 14:54.05 | d1b | WhiteCrow1: do you want to play flash videos ? |
| 14:54.16 | WhiteCrow1 | d1b: yes |
| 14:54.21 | d1b | because swf-dec should work pretty well for that. |
| 14:54.22 | d1b | !flash |
| 14:54.23 | dpkg | methinks flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 14:55.07 | woden | abrotman, Works now. Thanks for helping. Bye. |
| 14:55.59 | WhiteCrow1 | d1b: tnx i go to read web page |
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| 15:06.30 | rgr | WhiteCrow1: you really need flashplugin-nonfree for a painless flash experience - pain as it might be to go "non free". |
| 15:06.48 | WhiteCrow1 | rgr: hmmmmm |
| 15:06.56 | WhiteCrow1 | rgr: tnx for help |
| 15:07.54 | d1b | rgr: depends tho. on 64bit, swfdec doesn't crash for me, flash does. |
| 15:09.16 | rgr | Its not always the way with the free v non free for me though. While I find adobe acrobat pdf reader is much better than the open equivalents for navigation etc I finally found a good reason to stick with evince : it monitors the pdf file while acrobat does not. This makes it a billion times better if you are learning something like the auctex package in emacs for latext development - evince automatically updates when you recompile and |
| 15:09.16 | rgr | recreate a new PDF! Saves ages in development time not having to launch a new reader. |
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| 15:11.21 | rgr | d1b: that may be the case but I just found anything other than the non free flash to be buggy, slow and often simply not work. I stick with 32 bit despite having 64 bit porocessors anyway. I tried the 64 bit debian and found no advantages sicne I dont need the extra memory addressing - only disadvantages with certain things not working properly back then. It has probably improved by now. |
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| 15:25.22 | Sirgado | mounting a fs makes mount point to lose write permissiones, so I can't write in the fs (althought before mounting has write permissions)... |
| 15:25.42 | Sirgado | mount point is declared in fstab with user op to allow normal user to mount it |
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| 15:26.23 | Sirgado | how can I avoid to change permissions when mounted? |
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| 15:27.05 | cusco | hi |
| 15:27.25 | cusco | Im about to set up a mail system |
| 15:27.40 | Psyborg | sweet |
| 15:27.50 | cusco | :D |
| 15:28.06 | cusco | I will use exim4 |
| 15:28.06 | cusco | what should I use for pop3 and imap? |
| 15:28.17 | Psyborg | I am a total noob, I wouldnt know |
| 15:28.23 | TheJoe | postfix |
| 15:28.33 | cusco | TheJoe: why? |
| 15:28.48 | Psyborg | I am loading lenny for the first time as we speak lol |
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| 15:28.57 | TheJoe | cusco: I just have a good experience with it |
| 15:28.59 | cusco | postfix is a mta |
| 15:29.07 | cusco | for mta I already have exim4 |
| 15:29.38 | TheJoe | Courier, then? |
| 15:29.46 | TheJoe | Iunno I just followed a guide heh |
| 15:29.46 | TheJoe | http://www.howtoforge.com/virtual_postfix_mysql_quota_courier |
| 15:29.52 | cusco | lol |
| 15:29.54 | cusco | ok |
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| 15:30.09 | cusco | I was actually looking at http://edin.no-ip.com/content/exim4-courier-ssl-debian-etch-mini-howto |
| 15:30.41 | TheJoe | Then you're probably best continuing with that |
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| 15:39.06 | rovanion | I'd like some help troubleshooting a laptop that does not wake up after sleep. Is there anyone here who can be my guide? |
| 15:39.26 | balor | cusco_, On the shuttle or ISS? |
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| 15:39.41 | petemc | rovanion: /msg dpkg suspend troubleshooting |
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| 15:42.31 | Diddi_ | hi! i've installed alsa-utils and alsa-base.. but where do I find the alsaconf bin? |
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| 15:42.38 | Diddi_ | debian/sid |
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| 15:43.07 | cahoot | it's not here anymore |
| 15:43.18 | Diddi_ | ah, that'll explain |
| 15:43.23 | Diddi_ | is there a replacement? |
| 15:43.34 | cahoot | you miss it? |
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| 15:43.50 | Diddi_ | well, it actually got my sound to work |
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| 15:47.26 | orudie | hi all i'm trying to set up postfix/dovecot and getting errors about certificate http://dpaste.com/125914/ |
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| 15:47.36 | cahoot | Diddi: what does speaker-test -t wav -c2 give? |
| 15:48.44 | Diddi | cahoot: no sound if that's what we're looking for |
| 15:49.01 | cahoot | Diddi: no error? |
| 15:49.07 | Diddi | nope |
| 15:49.29 | cahoot | Diddi: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0, then speaker-test again |
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| 15:50.10 | Diddi | cahoot: all the same |
| 15:50.35 | cahoot | Diddi: cat /proc/asound/cards - more than one? |
| 15:50.52 | Diddi | nope, only one |
| 15:51.11 | Diddi | ah |
| 15:51.15 | Diddi | think I found something |
| 15:51.40 | Diddi | [23011.512551] hda-intel: Error creating card! |
| 15:51.42 | Diddi | dmesg (: |
| 15:52.00 | cahoot | Diddi: try alsa force-reload |
| 15:52.13 | cahoot | and check dmesg |
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| 15:53.17 | Diddi | cahoot: force-reload seem to work, no error from dmesg.. but speaker-test doesn't give much sound anyways |
| 15:53.27 | Diddi | aha |
| 15:53.27 | cahoot | Diddi: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0, then speaker-test again |
| 15:53.27 | Diddi | now |
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| 15:53.30 | Diddi | yea |
| 15:54.04 | Diddi | chii: speaker-test works, thanks (: |
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| 15:59.17 | orudie | hi all i'm trying to set up postfix/dovecot and getting errors about certificate http://dpaste.com/125914/ |
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| 16:05.56 | TheJoe | Is there a safe way to upgrade GNOME to 2.28, y'know, the one that doesn't involve unstable repos? |
| 16:06.02 | TheJoe | I've had nothing but hell from them |
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| 16:06.58 | babilen | orudie: You are missing a (self-signed?) certificate at /etc/ssl/certs/cacert.pem. Install openssl and create one. |
| 16:07.11 | babilen | orudie: postfix now, eh? Did you find it easier than exim? |
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| 16:07.40 | orudie | babilen, its just that i have already done this before, just long time ago |
| 16:07.50 | orudie | babilen, and its still working like a tank |
| 16:08.01 | babilen | orudie: postfix? |
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| 16:08.06 | orudie | babilen, yup |
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| 16:08.17 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: I don't use Gnome myself but you could check backports |
| 16:08.19 | babilen | orudie: great :-) |
| 16:09.04 | babilen | orudie: If you have some certificates around you might just need to copy them to the aforementioned locatation or tell postfix where to find them. |
| 16:09.13 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: An area I haven't looked in yet, I'll have a go |
| 16:09.28 | orudie | babilen, http://dpaste.com/125922/ |
| 16:09.30 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: backports.org |
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| 16:10.33 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Thanks |
| 16:10.46 | jpinx-eeepc | np |
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| 16:11.35 | babilen | orudie: You already have openss installed. Have a look at: http://www.openssl.org/docs/HOWTO/certificates.txt for example |
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| 16:12.34 | babilen | !tell orudie -about self-signed ssl cert |
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| 16:12.56 | TheJoe | It seems 2.28 isn't in the backports :( |
| 16:14.57 | lord_rob | Hi grub2 install shows me the message "(null): warn: Your embedding area is unusually small. core.img won't fit in it." |
| 16:14.57 | lord_rob | shouldn't a partition name be displayed instead of null ? |
| 16:14.57 | orudie | babilen, yes I believe i have done that already |
| 16:15.29 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions gnome |
| 16:15.32 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6 lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 squeeze: 1:2.26+0 sid: 1:2.28+2 sid: 1:2.28+3 |
| 16:15.38 | babilen | orudie: You should check your (old) certificates due to: |
| 16:15.39 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: ^^ |
| 16:15.50 | babilen | !tell orudie about openssl vulnerability |
| 16:15.54 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Yeah, see - I already installed it from sid |
| 16:15.59 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: And chaos ensued |
| 16:16.15 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: that's what happens when you mix releases |
| 16:16.19 | jandro | Hi. I have created my own customised keymap for the console replacing the old /etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz. My problem is that this new kmap doesn't load when booting, only the old default keymap is loaded. Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? thanks |
| 16:16.22 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell TheJoe about ssb |
| 16:16.27 | babilen | orudie: You mean you already have a valid certificate at /etc/ssl/certs/cacert.pem ? |
| 16:16.32 | orudie | babilen, I have done that yesterday |
| 16:16.43 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: try backporting it yourself, but it's big so it will not be easy |
| 16:16.58 | path_ | !tell path_ about ssb |
| 16:17.10 | orudie | babilen, i have cacert.org.pem |
| 16:17.15 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Yeah I think I'll pass on that :P |
| 16:17.45 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: ssb is good for small things - I did bitlbee and it was no problem at all |
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| 16:17.54 | babilen | orudie: Ok, then you need to either (i) rename the file or (ii) tell postfix that you are indeed using cacert.org.pem |
| 16:18.19 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: hooray for ssb bitlbee |
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| 16:18.37 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: I'm assuming the 'testing' CDs are Sid? |
| 16:19.02 | jpinx-eeepc | !testing |
| 16:19.02 | dpkg | [testing] a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 16:19.06 | babilen | TheJoe: Nope - sid == unstable (always) and testing == squeeze |
| 16:19.17 | jpinx-eeepc | !squeeze |
| 16:19.17 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729. See also <squeeze kernel>. |
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| 16:19.36 | TheJoe | o |
| 16:21.39 | orudie | babilen, i just renamed cacert.org.pem to cacert.org , restarted postfix, tried sending test mail from my gmail and here is what i see in mail.log http://dpaste.com/125926/ |
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| 16:25.34 | babilen | orudie: It looks like your SASL configuration is fucked. Configure it and it should work. |
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| 16:25.44 | babilen | orudie: http://www.postfix.org/SASL_README.html |
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| 16:26.36 | babilen | orudie: And i think that further question are better asked in #postfix ;-) |
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| 16:28.26 | orudie | babilen, do you think its wise to resinstall ? |
| 16:29.04 | orudie | or should i keep trying to reconfigure babilen ? |
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| 16:29.17 | nickgrey147 | gnome + 2x22 inch monitors with transparency and all , will it be smooth with a 9400gt ? |
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| 16:31.19 | babilen | orudie: Why would you want to reinstall? It's just another step in your postfix configuration. But being the mail admin is hard .. don't give up! |
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| 16:32.38 | orudie | babilen, hehe yeah... I just dont know how to fix this |
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| 16:33.17 | danisahne | hi |
| 16:33.17 | danisahne | Makefile:284: /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64/scripts/Kbuild.include: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 16:33.17 | danisahne | what does it say? where to get it |
| 16:33.30 | babilen | orudie: Read the documentation, ask questions in the relevant places (#postfix, mailing lists, ...) Buy/Lend books ... you name it |
| 16:34.27 | babilen | danisahne: What are you trying to do? It clearly says "/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64/scripts/Kbuild.include: No such file or directory" |
| 16:34.53 | babilen | danisahne: You probably want to install the kernel headers, but that depends. |
| 16:35.18 | danisahne | i want to compile a driver and i have installed the kernel headers |
| 16:35.47 | danisahne | what paket excatly do i need? |
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| 16:36.28 | babilen | danisahne: linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 maybe? Have a look at /usr/src ... You might have to unpack a file by yourself |
| 16:37.39 | babilen | danisahne: Which driver are you trying to compile? |
| 16:37.57 | danisahne | r8169 |
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| 16:38.17 | danisahne | but it worked yesterday with r8168 |
| 16:38.42 | danisahne | but i have deleted something so apt-get thinks its installed |
| 16:38.44 | babilen | danisahne: Ah great... I think you might want to try: r2342FooBar I heard it is a great frobnicator! |
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| 16:39.27 | babilen | danisahne: In related news: revision 8169 of *what* ? |
| 16:39.54 | Siegfried | anyone else experiencing memory leaks on apache for some time? |
| 16:40.11 | danisahne | but i have apt-get install --reinstall linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 16:40.41 | babilen | danisahne: Please paste the output of: 'ls -l /usr/src' |
| 16:41.37 | danisahne | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root src 37 27. Nov 17:19 linux -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 16:41.37 | danisahne | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 624 27. Nov 17:39 linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 16:41.37 | danisahne | drwxr-xr-x 18 root root 456 27. Nov 17:24 linux-headers-2.6.26-2-common |
| 16:41.37 | danisahne | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 120 26. Nov 18:10 r8168-8.014.00 |
| 16:41.37 | danisahne | drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 120 27. Nov 17:13 r8169-6.011.00 |
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| 16:42.30 | babilen | *sigh* |
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| 16:42.35 | danisahne | :) |
| 16:42.46 | danisahne | rtfm :) |
| 16:43.47 | babilen | danisahne: And again: What are you actually trying to compile? Have you checked if the file is there? Search for it with 'apt-file search /path/to/file' |
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| 16:45.21 | babilen | danisahne: ah, install linux-kbuild-2.6.26 |
| 16:45.28 | danisahne | ok |
| 16:46.23 | korhojoa_ | durp |
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| 16:46.37 | babilen | korhojoa_: bless you |
| 16:47.08 | danisahne | ok it built now thanks |
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| 16:47.18 | korhojoa_ | ./you already is blessed |
| 16:47.33 | babilen | danisahne: Care to tell me what you are building? |
| 16:47.47 | danisahne | r8169 |
| 16:47.59 | danisahne | realtek driver |
| 16:48.04 | babilen | danisahne: revision 8169 of *what* ? |
| 16:48.18 | Devastator | babilen it's realtek 8169 |
| 16:48.23 | Devastator | i think.. |
| 16:48.28 | babilen | danisahne: alright :-) |
| 16:48.49 | danisahne | yesterday the newest :) |
| 16:49.08 | Devastator | don't know why use manufacturer driver :S |
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| 16:49.19 | wootR_ | is there some type of whatever, to bind an a process to an ip? (i fail at linux :<) |
| 16:49.21 | babilen | danisahne: fastest bestest brokenest ;-) |
| 16:49.21 | rgr | trying to install gnome-shell on testing, I get "Depends: gir1.0-clutter-1.0 but it is not going to be installed". Anyone here familiar with how to fix this? |
| 16:49.38 | danisahne | perhaps ;) |
| 16:50.17 | Devastator | do you care to run every single driver updated? :) |
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| 16:51.18 | babilen | danisahne: and you are sure that r8168 and r8169 are not 2 completely unrelated chipsets? It looks like r8168 has version 8.014.00 and r8169 has version 6.011.00 |
| 16:51.33 | babilen | danisahne: Which chipset do you actually have? |
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| 16:56.30 | babilen | danisahne: disregard that... :-) Hope it works now. |
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| 17:16.46 | sullpg | im trying to reconfigure xserver-xorg with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 17:16.54 | sullpg | but no og |
| 17:16.57 | sullpg | go |
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| 17:18.27 | sluxor | i followed these instructions for lenny but there is no vmlinuz located inside build/dest/netbook/debian-installer/i386/ ... only initrd.gz |
| 17:18.34 | sluxor | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote |
| 17:18.39 | sluxor | any ideas? |
| 17:20.06 | jelly | netbook? |
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| 17:26.05 | mercutio22 | got a little problem downloading dependencies to install firefox: http://debian.pastebin.com/m60eb6c1b. Now, what is an URI? |
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| 17:27.58 | macrobat | an url is an uri |
| 17:29.19 | macrobat | mercutio, you need a line like deb-src http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Linux/distributions/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
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| 17:29.30 | macrobat | in your sources.list |
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| 17:30.09 | macrobat | you may have it, but commented out |
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| 17:30.27 | Blackvel | i finished my new lenny server install |
| 17:30.46 | Blackvel | is there any way to check what packages have been installed for this week by apt-get install? |
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| 17:32.01 | macrobat | Blackvel: check in /var/log/ |
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| 17:32.49 | macrobat | /var/log/apt/term.log and /var/log/aptitude |
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| 17:34.13 | sullpg | why does dpkg-reconfigure option not work |
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| 17:37.12 | mercutio22 | macrobat: can I just replace sid with testing? |
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| 17:37.33 | macrobat | mercutio22: i hope you didnt use my exact example |
| 17:37.52 | macrobat | if you use testing then put testing there |
| 17:38.17 | mercutio22 | macrobat: should I not use your exact example? |
| 17:38.43 | macrobat | no, unless you use sid and live in sweden |
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| 17:39.10 | macrobat | just copy your "deb" line |
| 17:39.42 | macrobat | and change deb to deb-src, then do aptitude update |
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| 17:41.22 | mercutio22 | macrobat: thanks |
| 17:41.37 | macrobat | :D |
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| 17:44.03 | mercutio22 | any ideas why apt hangs at 99% [Connecting to security.debian.org ? |
| 17:44.38 | dutchfish | hi, i have a depency problem, i need some qemu tools, but qemu-utils need kvm > 85; wich isnt in squeeze yet, when i reinstall kvm it removes the needed qemu modules; how to solve? Can kvm 87 be hinted? or will it soon? |
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| 17:45.57 | dutchfish | 2nd i find critical bugs in the curent qemu system, so why is it ran into squeeze? |
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| 17:49.46 | dutchfish | 3th qemu-kvm isnt in squeeze either |
| 17:50.38 | xreal | Is there something like (h)top for I/O ? |
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| 17:52.37 | macrobat | iotop :D |
| 17:52.58 | xreal | really ?? |
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| 17:53.20 | macrobat | try it, maybe there are better stuff, idk |
| 17:53.23 | xreal | thanks ;-) |
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| 17:53.54 | emma | There is a name for a certain type of Debian that is sort of very unstable compared to the other releases yes? |
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| 17:54.04 | emma | is that sarge? |
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| 17:54.24 | emma | What debian does one install in order to get the cutting edge packages? |
| 17:54.30 | dutchfish | emma, you mean SID? |
| 17:54.37 | macrobat | sid is new |
| 17:54.44 | emma | okay great. |
| 17:54.51 | emma | Is there an install disk for SID? |
| 17:54.54 | korhojoa_ | yeah. try sid and get fucked up. |
| 17:54.56 | macrobat | !uupdate |
| 17:54.56 | dpkg | uupdate (in the devscripts package) upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision, or e.g. if the newest foo in debian is 1.2, and upstream is at 1.4: apt-get source foo; wget -nd http://foo.org/foo-1.4.tar.gz; cd foo-1.2; uupdate ../foo-1.4.tar.gz Ask me about <package recompile> |
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| 17:55.11 | macrobat | dutchfish: ^^ |
| 17:55.51 | macrobat | emma: you need to know a bit more about the package system if oyu run sid |
| 17:56.07 | emma | hm. |
| 17:56.21 | macrobat | "testing" is a good compromise |
| 17:56.37 | emma | okay |
| 17:56.43 | dutchfish | macrobat, tried that already ;) but that conflicts with curent qemu, the only solution i see is (if i want kvm) to downgrade qemu and its friends |
| 17:56.48 | macrobat | basically you install a minimal stable and upgrade it |
| 17:56.56 | Blackvel | wow this term.log was a great tip! too bad it lists all dependent packages (which got installed with main package) as well as :) |
| 17:57.54 | emma | macrobat: so install a minimal lenny and then do sudo dist-upgrade ? |
| 17:58.06 | macrobat | Blackvel: you can parse the log, i think someone already made parsers in perl that you can instal as a pkg |
| 17:58.35 | macrobat | emma: you change lines in your sources.list |
| 17:58.45 | dutchfish | macrobat, the curent SID versions depends on qemu-kvm wich isnt there yet at all |
| 17:58.46 | emma | ahh i get you. |
| 17:58.51 | emma | macrobat: that does sound pretty easy. |
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| 17:59.18 | emma | eventually it would be nice to understand things well enough to run sid. I just installed a virtualbox so i can learn about other types of Linux :) |
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| 18:00.09 | macrobat | then you have to know about pinning. it means for example holding apkg at a certain version |
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| 18:01.23 | dutchfish | macrobat, sure, i can do that, but a pitty the harm is done already, i think there is no solution for all those that are running kvm under squeeze atm |
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| 18:01.55 | macrobat | emma: you probably want apt-listbugs and apt-file |
| 18:02.38 | emma | macrobat: what are those for? |
| 18:04.35 | macrobat | sometimes when you upgrade you get messages about bugs in new versions and you can use the info from apt-listbugs to decide if you want to keep a pkg un-upgraded |
| 18:04.48 | macrobat | to pin it |
| 18:05.36 | macrobat | apt-file is a command line tool for searching files contained in packages |
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| 18:07.06 | cusco | hi |
| 18:07.08 | cusco | how do I install php fileinfdo |
| 18:07.11 | cusco | php fileinfo? |
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| 18:11.14 | cusco | what package provides php filieinfo.so |
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| 18:12.57 | themill | cusco: what makes you think that such a library or package exists? |
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| 18:24.44 | TheJoe | Are there any advantages to using a Debian DVD rather than a CD? |
| 18:24.47 | cpierce | cusco: apt-cache search php |
| 18:25.05 | cpierce | or more generallly php5- |
| 18:25.29 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: the CD is smaller to download |
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| 18:25.47 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: what are you trying to do now? |
| 18:25.52 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: My connection's enough to have the DVD in 10 minutes |
| 18:26.07 | xreal | IOTOP shows only 1200 K/s Disk-Read. Why is it that slow? |
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| 18:26.16 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Well I'm gonna reinstall (again) soon. So I may as well use the oppurtunity to see what other options there are |
| 18:26.53 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: maybe a netinstall? |
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| 18:27.01 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Out of the question, I'm on wifi |
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| 18:27.10 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: read up the installation manual in debian.org |
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| 18:27.33 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: so am I - it installs on wifi for a lot of wifi devices |
| 18:28.38 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: It's an rt73 device |
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| 18:30.07 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: look it up |
| 18:30.48 | jpinx-eeepc | !rt73 |
| 18:30.48 | dpkg | The Ralink RT73 USB chipset (RT2501USB/RT2571W) is supported by the next-generation driver (rt73usb), included in mainline kernels since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <ralink firmware> to provide. For driver and firmware installation on Etch systems, see http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73 |
| 18:30.57 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: ^^ there's a start ;) |
| 18:31.19 | TheJoe | I already know how to install it (after installation anyway) |
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| 18:32.09 | babilen | TheJoe: You can load the firmware while you install IIRC, which would allow you to do a netinstall over wireless |
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| 18:32.23 | xreal | IOTOP shows only 1200 K/s Disk-Read. Why is it that slow? |
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| 18:32.46 | babilen | xreal: Why should it be faster? |
| 18:33.00 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: tbh I am not sure where to find out which wifi devices are supported in the installer - maybe themill or someone might know where to look it up |
| 18:33.04 | xreal | In Windows, I'm getting 40-80 MB/s with that disk ;-) |
| 18:33.17 | xreal | 1200 K/s = aprox. 1.2 MB/s |
| 18:33.32 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: yea - but there's a list somewhere... |
| 18:33.33 | babilen | xreal: yes, sure. But are you actually copying any large files around, or something to that effect? |
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| 18:33.49 | xreal | babilen: Reading from DB ;-) |
| 18:34.11 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Well I'm fine with a package CD, I just wondered if there was any point using a DVD instead |
| 18:34.20 | kampasky | xreal: well, have you ruled out the problem in the db rather than in the disk transfers then? |
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| 18:34.52 | xreal | kampasky: Not now, but I am confused: I/O is 75%, but Speed is only 800-1200. Why is it 75% ? |
| 18:35.13 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: you'll get more pkgs on the dvd obviously, but the CD will get it started and install the baase system and you add what you want |
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| 18:35.36 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: May as well stick with the CD then. |
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| 18:36.12 | kampasky | xreal: i don't know what is that 75% supposed to mean |
| 18:36.13 | TheJoe | And one thing that has confused me in all these years using Linux, one thing I can never quite grasp - Is a 64-bit distro compatible with 32-bit software/libs/things |
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| 18:36.29 | xreal | kampasky: IO = 75% in iotop. |
| 18:36.29 | TheJoe | I get told different things all over the place |
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| 18:37.37 | xreal | Hi desti! |
| 18:37.39 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: no idea - but it goes against the grain with me to mix things up like that |
| 18:37.44 | kampasky | TheJoe: there is no simple answer; generally, you can install 32-bit libraries on 64-bit distro for 32-bit packages, but usually not all libraries are available in both flavors; also, you certainly cannot easily use 32-bit things that are binarily tied to 64-bit things; e.g. 32-bit firefox modules with 64-bit firefox (you need to either give up or use some hack) |
| 18:38.16 | xreal | Do packages from unstable and testing work in Debian stabile? |
| 18:38.27 | TheJoe | kampasky: I'll stick with 32-bit for now then, I guess. |
| 18:38.41 | TheJoe | It will be a long time before I can afford to double this RAM anyway |
| 18:38.55 | kampasky | xreal: no, they depend on newer libc version; you need to switch to libc from testing/unstable first, usually just by letting apt do it for you |
| 18:39.39 | xreal | kampasky: oh okay. But I can't return to stabile then? |
| 18:39.53 | kampasky | TheJoe: that stuff (e.g. firefox modules) used to be big problem in the past, but I *think* by now most popular non-free stuff has 64-bit versions as well |
| 18:39.57 | themill | kampasky: itym "you would need to upgrade to testing or unstable and you don't want to do that" |
| 18:39.57 | cusco | themill: I checked. It does not exist. youare right |
| 18:40.26 | kampasky | xreal: not easily; but you can have only the minimal subset of your packages from testing, the direct dependencies of packages you want - usually just few base libraries |
| 18:40.42 | xreal | ah okay, thanks for the hint. |
| 18:40.57 | themill | xreal: don't do that... try making a backport. /msg dpkg backport |
| 18:41.07 | kampasky | themill: well, that depends; I think the basic libraries like libc are unlikely to be particularly broken in testing so I think that should be pretty okay |
| 18:41.18 | kampasky | but of course it's messy solution |
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| 18:41.26 | kampasky | backport is always better, I agree :) |
| 18:41.28 | themill | kampasky: please don't recommend that people create completely unsupported installations. |
| 18:42.13 | kampasky | hmm, that's right, i tend to sometimes know what i'm doing but you are right that i shouldn't recommend this stuff to others lightly |
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| 18:42.31 | themill | :) |
| 18:42.47 | macrobat | testing and unstable are completely unsupported? i didnt know that :) |
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| 18:42.58 | themill | plz be reading... |
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| 18:44.23 | TheJoe | Well. Reinstall time again. And this time I think I'll actually do some research before I jump into GNOME 2.28. Maybe even attempt to backport it. (now await the fail!) |
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| 18:48.46 | babilen | TheJoe: Why not just be patient? You will get GNOME 2.28 eventually .. ;) |
| 18:51.49 | simonrvn | !sns |
| 18:51.50 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 18:53.09 | orudie | as soon as i changed protocols = none to protocols = pop3 , I get error Can't use mail executable /usr/lib/dovecot/pop3: No such file or directory Fatal: Invalid configuration in /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf |
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| 19:01.43 | lxsameer | i can't get any file from any debian server with more that 2kb via apt or debmirror , can any one help me? |
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| 19:02.57 | simonrvn | lxsameer: still acting up eh? |
| 19:03.01 | simonrvn | :( |
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| 19:03.34 | lxsameer | simonrvn: sorry i can't understand |
| 19:03.45 | simonrvn | your repo downloads |
| 19:04.27 | lxsameer | simonrvn: i can't update my repo with this speed |
| 19:04.35 | simonrvn | orudie: do you have dovecot-pop3d installed? do dpkg -L dovecot-pop3d if you do, and see what the binary to use is. |
| 19:05.09 | orudie | simonrvn, yes thats what the problem was, i installed it and see it running on port 110 , |
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| 19:05.21 | simonrvn | 'k |
| 19:05.44 | simonrvn | (i imagine it was pop3d not pop3) |
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| 19:08.27 | Gunni^ | can someone help me configuring SNMP, my server is set up but does not respond on it's port |
| 19:08.35 | Gunni^ | port is open nevertheless |
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| 19:26.54 | TheJoe | babilen: Why be 0.06 versions down? :D |
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| 19:27.10 | dcnoye | i'm trying to install something that depends on another package, but a newer version is installed, is there a way to side step this? |
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| 19:30.12 | babilen | dcnoye: Please paste the output + command of what you are trying. It might also help if you include the output of "apt-cache policy" |
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| 19:31.50 | dcnoye | babilen: ok |
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| 19:32.25 | babilen | !tell dcnoye -about paste |
| 19:32.42 | DrunkenIrony | o/ |
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| 19:33.21 | DrunkenIrony | Having a 'small' issue installing debian on my acer aspire one. :) |
| 19:33.25 | TheJoe | Hmm no I'm comfortable on Debian now, I'm not gonna risk further killings by backporting... |
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| 19:33.55 | DrunkenIrony | I tried to use the goodbye ms website to run the installer, it didn't download all the packages, wiped my hd and now I have no OS installed. |
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| 19:33.57 | babilen | TheJoe: wise |
| 19:34.14 | DrunkenIrony | Currently working on figuring out how to get a bootable usb drive working, but its no dice so far. |
| 19:34.36 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: Hmm, that is unfortunate. I would suggest downloading the netinst iso and install from CD |
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| 19:34.45 | DrunkenIrony | my netbook doesn't have a cdrom. |
| 19:34.55 | DrunkenIrony | or floppy drive. :) |
| 19:35.19 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: alright. i386 or amd64 ? |
| 19:35.26 | DrunkenIrony | i386 |
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| 19:36.19 | DrunkenIrony | acer aspireone with an intel atom processor |
| 19:36.28 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en is the guide that explains how to do it with USB drives |
| 19:36.57 | DrunkenIrony | that article seems to assume i'm already using linux to create the boot usb? |
| 19:37.08 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: If you need help let us know. The explanations can be a ... hmm ... confusing |
| 19:37.14 | DrunkenIrony | my desktop is vista. |
| 19:37.20 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: doh... |
| 19:37.23 | DrunkenIrony | i'm trying to use dd to make the sticks bootable. |
| 19:37.53 | DrunkenIrony | the first stick i made said invalid disk, the second throws up boot error |
| 19:37.58 | ehnvis | DrunkenIrony: have a look on unetbootin, i've used it numerous times on windows to create bootable usb sticks |
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| 19:38.12 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: Yeah, that is true. You'll need linux for that. Do you have another computer with cd drive? |
| 19:38.26 | DrunkenIrony | ehnvis: looking right now. I think you may have just made my day. :) |
| 19:38.37 | DrunkenIrony | babilen, my desktop has a cd - rom. :) |
| 19:38.50 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: That would allow you to create a "Live USB drive" |
| 19:39.09 | DrunkenIrony | sweet |
| 19:39.10 | mKno6 | Any idea if it's possible to recover from a freeze where everything but the "mouse" stops responding, all other display freezes |
| 19:39.13 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: Does your desktop run *nix ? |
| 19:39.20 | DrunkenIrony | negative |
| 19:39.23 | DrunkenIrony | win vista |
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| 19:40.29 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: Alright. You can either (i) download a live CD (grml, knoppix, debian live, ...) boot that and follow the aforementioned guide or (ii) use unetbootin to create a Live USB, boot from that and follow the guide |
| 19:40.43 | DrunkenIrony | i'll have to use the unet |
| 19:40.47 | babilen | mKno6: google for magic sysrq |
| 19:40.50 | DrunkenIrony | at least i've been directed to a tool that my work now. |
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| 19:41.06 | DrunkenIrony | running the unet right now |
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| 19:42.21 | mKno6 | Seems to be the main reason for ever ending my knoppix sessions. Even if they can occasionally last long. magics huh *investigates* |
| 19:42.24 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: It might be a better idea to use a real live CD, because the (unetbootin) stick will be overwritten when you copy the installer to it |
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| 19:42.35 | DrunkenIrony | i wish i could. |
| 19:42.40 | DrunkenIrony | but my netbook doesn't have a cd-rom |
| 19:42.53 | Queue_Mr | out and about today and i seem to have been burned by sid. i get grub error: You need to load a kernel first. when i attempted to resume from a hibernated system. ideas? |
| 19:42.53 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 19:43.00 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: You can boot the CD on your desktop and prepare the USB stick there |
| 19:43.15 | DrunkenIrony | ahhh |
| 19:43.33 | babilen | Queue_Mr: Can you try a normal boot w/o resuming? |
| 19:43.37 | DrunkenIrony | so can i just mount the .iso to a virtual drive and cook up the stick that way? |
| 19:44.37 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: If you manage to chroot into the Live CD, yes. I guess it is easier to just burn a Live CD, boot from it, create the USB installer and boot your netbook with that |
| 19:45.09 | Queue_Mr | babilen not that i am aware of. recovery mode gives me the same error. sorry for the typing in stuck on my mobile |
| 19:45.44 | mKno6 | I'll have to see if the magic still works with a sysrq key buried under FN (laptop KB) |
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| 19:46.00 | mKno6 | +next freeze |
| 19:46.10 | babilen | Queue_Mr: hmm, guess it is a sid issue. Not sure what to do right now. There is not much going on in #debian@OFTC .. try to get help there, I am a bit busy |
| 19:46.33 | babilen | mKno6: It should... just remember REISUB ;-) |
| 19:46.34 | Queue_Mr | :) thanks. |
| 19:46.48 | babilen | Queue_Mr: thank you ... |
| 19:46.58 | simonrvn | sid issues tend to get ignored and people referred to the BTS |
| 19:47.05 | babilen | hehe |
| 19:47.08 | DrunkenIrony | is it possible to just install from the stick? |
| 19:47.09 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 19:47.14 | DrunkenIrony | although i'm already running into issues |
| 19:47.26 | DrunkenIrony | such as it really seems to want a cd-rom drive with the unet tool |
| 19:47.43 | jj_joey | is there more repos than the file when after install ? |
| 19:47.49 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: yes, once you have it prepared (as detailed in the installation guide) you'll be able to from the stick |
| 19:47.53 | jj_joey | in source.list |
| 19:48.26 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: unetbooin won't help you as you want to put the installer on the same stick, thus wrecking your unetbootin Live USB |
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| 19:48.47 | babilen | jj_joey: Yes |
| 19:49.00 | jj_joey | where do find them babilen ? |
| 19:49.07 | jj_joey | im new to debina |
| 19:49.11 | jj_joey | debian |
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| 19:49.29 | babilen | !tell jj_joey -about sources.list |
| 19:49.35 | babilen | jj_joey: Welcome! |
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| 19:53.04 | jj_joey | thanks babilen |
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| 19:54.13 | babilen | jj_joey: You might want to install the debian reference (aptitude install debian-reference-XX) and read it. You can find it in /usr/share/doc/debian-reference-XX . XX is the language code (en, zh, de, ...) |
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| 19:54.56 | jj_joey | i only got 3 cds babilen if i got dvd would all these be on it ? |
| 19:55.21 | babilen | jj_joey: Did you already install? |
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| 19:55.29 | jj_joey | yeah |
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| 19:56.15 | hark | babilen: unetbootin creates a bootable usb with a debian image. so you can install via that. almost the same as creating it manually |
| 19:56.23 | babilen | jj_joey: Then you can edit your sources.list, enter the mirrors dpkg told you about earlier and install packages from the internet .. |
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| 19:56.43 | babilen | hark: unetbootin includes d-i? |
| 19:57.03 | jj_joey | ok will do ... babilen whats difference between aptitude and apt-get ? |
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| 19:57.28 | babilen | !tell jj_joey -about why aptitude |
| 19:57.30 | hark | babilen: it gets it for you or you any iso image you have. |
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| 19:58.03 | babilen | hark: Ah. I was under the impression that untebootin was unrelated to d-i ... good to know |
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| 19:58.11 | babilen | DrunkenIrony: did you get that? |
| 19:58.31 | jj_joey | thanks babilen ...sorry one last question ...can you use apt or aptitude to install a source file ...for the deps ? |
| 19:58.31 | apt | jj_joey: no problem |
| 19:58.35 | hark | babilen: not just debian, it has a whole list of distros |
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| 19:58.40 | TomT0m | Hi. If I must install the whole gnome DE, with application, just to install the package "bug-buddy", is this a bug ? |
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| 19:59.53 | hark | !depends bug-buddy lenny |
| 19:59.54 | babilen | hark: yes i knew it supports multiple distributions, but I had the impression that it is meant as Live USB and not as installation source. Thanks for pointing that out |
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| 20:00.26 | dpkg | bug-buddy: depends on gconf2 (>= 2.10.1-2), libbonobo2-0 (>= 2.15.0), libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libebook1.2-9 (>= 2.22.3), libelfg0 (>= 0.8.10), libgconf2-4 (>= 2.13.5), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.14.0), libgnome-menu2 (>= 2.15.4), libgnome2-0 (>= 2.17.3), libgnomeui-0 (>= 2.17.1), libgnomevfs2-0 (>= 1:2.17.90), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.12.0), libgtop2-7 (>= 2.20.0), liborbit2 (>= 1:2.14.10), libsoup2.4-1 (>= 2.4.1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), libx11-6, libxml2 (>= 2.6.27), gdb, ... |
| 20:00.32 | babilen | jj_joey: What do you mean with "for the deps" ? |
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| 20:00.45 | babilen | jj_joey: Dependencies are automatically installed... |
| 20:01.23 | jj_joey | so if i downloaded a source file would apt get deps required ? |
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| 20:01.48 | babilen | jj_joey: No. which source file do you want to install? |
| 20:01.54 | WhiteCrow1 | hi guy's |
| 20:01.59 | jj_joey | pidgin babilen |
| 20:02.17 | jj_joey | pidgin that comes with leeny doesnt work with yahoo |
| 20:02.23 | jj_joey | lenny* |
| 20:02.30 | jj_joey | i need 2.6.3 |
| 20:02.38 | babilen | jj_joey: You can just "aptitude install pidgin" as pidgin is included in Debian (as are ~26.000+ other packages) |
| 20:02.41 | hark | TomT0m: it doesn't. try installing without recommends |
| 20:02.56 | babilen | !tell jj_joey -about ssb |
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| 20:03.08 | jj_joey | thanks |
| 20:03.26 | WhiteCrow1 | i cant under stand what he say in there >> http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer << in this line >> Remember that if you need the Flash Player to work with pulse, you can ask libasound to do so in your ~/.asoundrc: pcm.pulse { type pulse } ctl.pulse { type pulse } pcm.!default { type pulse } ctl.!default { type pulse } << can u explain me |
| 20:04.18 | babilen | jj_joey: You can replace sid with squeeze in that description if the version you need is in testing |
| 20:04.23 | hark | WhiteCrow1: it's for pulseaudio |
| 20:04.44 | WhiteCrow1 | hark: what is pulseaudio ? |
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| 20:05.02 | jj_joey | yeah would that upgrade lenny to sqeeze ? |
| 20:05.10 | babilen | jj_joey: Just don't upgrade your installation to squeeze *or* sid |
| 20:05.32 | babilen | jj_joey: Not if you compile the package by hand and install the result .. |
| 20:05.42 | babilen | jj_joey: But check first if it has been backported |
| 20:05.49 | babilen | !tell jj_joey -about bpo |
| 20:05.50 | hark | WhiteCrow1: if you have to ask, you don't have it. just ignore it |
| 20:06.06 | TomT0m | hark, I did not know recursive recommends were installed by default |
| 20:06.20 | babilen | jj_joey: 2.6.3 is in backports ... |
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| 20:06.43 | babilen | jj_joey: You really want to use that. |
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| 20:07.16 | jj_joey | ill do that thanks babilen ...ill do that |
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| 20:07.22 | WhiteCrow1 | hark: i want to kno how can do it |
| 20:07.36 | babilen | jj_joey: great! have fun |
| 20:07.43 | hark | TomT0m: huh? it has a recommends on gnome-dbg. |
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| 20:08.04 | hark | !recommends bug-buddy lenny |
| 20:08.35 | dpkg | bug-buddy: has nothing about recommends |
| 20:10.17 | hark | TomT0m: http://packages.debian.org/stable/bug-buddy |
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| 20:11.04 | TomT0m | hark, ok, it worked |
| 20:11.30 | WhiteCrow1 | hark: plz help me how can i do it Remember that if you need the Flash Player to work with pulse, you can ask libasound to do so in your ~/.asoundrc: pcm.pulse { type pulse } ctl.pulse { type pulse } pcm.!default { type pulse } ctl.!default { type pulse } |
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| 20:12.46 | hark | WhiteCrow1: it's saying to create or have in ~/.asoundrc the contents above |
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| 20:13.58 | crow | Hi, i would like to do a chroot of debian on my current distribution(archlinux), all what i found on google is doing from current debian to new debian but not that what i want. are they any howto for such thing.. |
| 20:14.00 | WhiteCrow1 | hark: mer30 = tnx dude |
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| 20:14.55 | orudie | in /etc/aliases i added line root: user right under webmaster: root |
| 20:15.01 | orudie | any services to restart to apply changes ? |
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| 20:16.19 | babilen | orudie: no |
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| 20:24.46 | thebusker | gdb is an untrusted package?!? Thoughts? Advice? |
| 20:27.30 | luke__ | Having a problem with ext3/fsck |
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| 20:27.55 | luke__ | using lenny, /dev/sda is being made read-only whenever I start firefox |
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| 20:30.00 | bipolar | does debian have any 'debian way' of manipulating /etc/fstab from package scripts or do I just do it all with sed/awk and friends? |
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| 20:33.28 | luke__ | ~$ touch test |
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| 20:33.29 | luke__ | touch: cannot touch `test': Read-only file system |
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| 20:33.43 | luke__ | How can I remount /dev/sda as a +rw while its in use? |
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| 20:34.20 | patrikf | luke__: mount -o remount <mountpoint> |
| 20:34.24 | bipolar | luke__: mount -o remount,rw /mountpoint |
| 20:34.27 | patrikf | well, -o remount,rw |
| 20:34.36 | bipolar | ha! beat you patrikf! :P |
| 20:34.43 | luke__ | tyvm |
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| 20:35.04 | bipolar | needs more codine |
| 20:35.17 | patrikf | bipolar: if you take the average of the timestamps of my original statement and my correction then... ;-) |
| 20:35.24 | bipolar | hehe |
| 20:35.35 | RoccoSiff | cx24113_agc_callback: driver disabled by Kconfig < in debian using a dvb-s card, what is kconfig in debian? |
| 20:35.39 | luke__ | mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 20:36.03 | bipolar | luke__: what device is sda1? internal hard drive? |
| 20:36.06 | luke__ | it failed fsck on boot |
| 20:36.14 | luke__ | bipolar: internal laptop hdd |
| 20:36.27 | bipolar | luke__: ahh... sounds bad. backup your data if you haven't already. |
| 20:36.28 | TheAvatar | How can I check the amount of memory in kb/mb one process consumes? top/ps aux shows only a percentage, which is useless |
| 20:36.47 | bipolar | TheAvatar: that questions is not as simple as it sounds :) |
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| 20:37.00 | RoccoSiff | hey, avy, its barhom =) |
| 20:37.04 | luke__ | bipolar: is there any way I can just disregard inconsistant inodes and remount /? |
| 20:37.13 | kermit | TheAvatar: both my ps aux and top show it |
| 20:37.18 | bipolar | luke__: I don't know for sure. |
| 20:37.30 | TheAvatar | hey RoccoSiff - nice nickname :D |
| 20:37.37 | TheAvatar | kermit, really? It shows percentages here (0.0%) |
| 20:37.47 | kermit | TheAvatar: mine show both |
| 20:38.10 | luke__ | bipolar: it only happens once firefox is started |
| 20:38.28 | bipolar | TheAvatar: the 'RES' column is the one you're looking for, I think. |
| 20:38.50 | luke__ | must be FF setting flags the fs ought not to deal with |
| 20:38.52 | bipolar | TheAvatar: although I'm not sure about it's accuracy. |
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| 20:39.17 | bipolar | luke__: firefox will not have any direct effect on your hard disk mount option. |
| 20:39.34 | Number5 | Hi guys, what is the name of the package for man page for gilbc? |
| 20:39.47 | bipolar | luke__: it may be hitting files on a part of the hard drive that is going bad |
| 20:39.59 | luke__ | exactly. =/ |
| 20:40.04 | bipolar | luke__: I hope you have a backup |
| 20:40.10 | TheAvatar | I dont think the RSS field makes sense |
| 20:40.21 | macrobat | Number5: glibc-doc ? |
| 20:40.21 | TheAvatar | kermit, what os? debian? and ps aux, or ps -which flags- ? |
| 20:40.24 | luke__ | I don't, but theres nothing important on here. This is the second time I'll have had to reformat because of this problem though. |
| 20:40.36 | kermit | TheAvatar: ubuntu, redhat, slackware.. every linux i've used |
| 20:40.39 | luke__ | and I've fixed it previously with advice from this channel, I just can't remember what it was |
| 20:40.48 | kermit | TheAvatar: ps axu |
| 20:41.06 | bipolar | TheAvatar: RES -- Resident size (kb) The non-swapped physical memory a task has used. |
| 20:41.25 | kermit | in top, RSS in ps |
| 20:41.35 | Stargazer | How do i bind the SUPER(/meta/windows key) to the Applications ? |
| 20:41.42 | bipolar | TheAvatar: or maybe you want: |
| 20:41.45 | bipolar | VIRT -- Virtual Image (kb) The total amount of virtual memory used by the task. It includes all code, data and shared libraries plus pages that have been swapped out. |
| 20:41.59 | TheAvatar | okay, maybe that makes sense after all |
| 20:41.59 | kermit | bipolar: it may still sum to more than 100% due to shared maps, right? |
| 20:42.13 | bipolar | kermit: yep. it's going to count shared libs multiple times |
| 20:42.20 | kermit | i doubt he wants VSZ/VIRT |
| 20:42.33 | Number5 | macrobat, found it: manpages-dev |
| 20:42.40 | Number5 | thnx anyway |
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| 20:43.01 | macrobat | :D |
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| 20:43.13 | TheAvatar | I need to know how many apache processes I can run before I run out of physical memory |
| 20:43.18 | mercutio22 | luke__: why do you suspect firefox? |
| 20:43.35 | TheAvatar | so RES is the one I guess then - and ~12-14MB/process seems reasonable I guess - when it runs php too |
| 20:44.08 | macrobat | Stargazer: what do you want to do with the superkey? what wm? |
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| 20:44.21 | luke__ | mercutio22: I can run touch test in my home dir without errors after boot, but after starting firefox the filesystem becomes read-only |
| 20:44.35 | luke__ | this wasn't always the case, so it's not firefox, just the area of the disk being used |
| 20:44.40 | TheAvatar | so, at some point, if I have 16gig, I assume I have 14gig (other services, os etc), and then 14000 divided with avg RES-value and I have approx amount of apache processes I can expect the server to run? |
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| 20:45.11 | v1k1ng0 | hello |
| 20:45.21 | Stargazer | Macrobat, GNOME. i've tried the Keyboard Shortcuts in System > Pref. but i couldn't find it. |
| 20:45.25 | Drunken | question, would there be any reason for the debian install to hang on the partitioning process? |
| 20:45.52 | v1k1ng0 | I've done an update in my debian unstable, it has updated grub, when I boot now, it shows an error: file not found |
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| 20:45.58 | v1k1ng0 | someone has this error? |
| 20:47.00 | mercutio22 | luke__: I read somewhere the system is monted read only when it recovers from an I/O error and prevent further damage. Maybe you should check you disk health with palimpsest |
| 20:47.06 | cahoot | v1k1ng0: http://muammar.me/blog/index.php?/archives/332-error-you-need-to-load-the-linux-kernel-first.html |
| 20:47.12 | macrobat | Stargazer: you want to start applications with key combinations? you can installing xbindkeys and try with that |
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| 20:47.37 | macrobat | i dont use gnome, so i dont know |
| 20:48.01 | Stargazer | Macrobat, i just want to open Applications (menu) with the windows/meta key. |
| 20:48.11 | macrobat | ah, ok |
| 20:48.21 | luke__ | mercutio22: iirc the solution last time meant removing the cover underneath and pushing the disk drive in properly. tried that and its still not working. |
| 20:48.21 | bipolar | luke__: there is a mount option, "errors=remount-ro" in fstab. when a major error occurs, the file system gets remounted ro. |
| 20:48.29 | mercutio22 | Stargazer: you could use the commands plugin for compiz |
| 20:48.47 | bipolar | luke__: you have a disk going bad. don't try to band-aid it or it will bite you. |
| 20:48.49 | luke__ | oh snap |
| 20:49.05 | Stargazer | Mercutio22, i'm not using Compiz. |
| 20:49.13 | luke__ | yeah I just saw in fstab can I change that to "defaults" for now? |
| 20:49.30 | bipolar | luke__: why do you want to? |
| 20:49.40 | luke__ | so I can use it. |
| 20:49.50 | bipolar | luke__: the disk is going bad. don't fight it. |
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| 20:50.13 | luke__ | I'll take my chances |
| 20:50.15 | nitrix | hi all |
| 20:50.26 | bipolar | luke__: actualy, the disk IS bad, otherwise you wouldn't have this issue. |
| 20:50.31 | luke__ | bipolar: theres nothing important on here and I brought another drive with me |
| 20:50.38 | bipolar | luke__: you don't understand... this is not a 'chances' kind of thing. |
| 20:50.55 | luke__ | I had this problem before and it was fine after a reformat |
| 20:50.56 | Stargazer | Luke__, if you're still gonna use it i suggest you lick it from the storage point. ( e.g. don't use it for / ) |
| 20:51.10 | bipolar | luke__: instead of going RO, you will get crashes and other bad things. you won't be able to 'use' this disk. |
| 20:51.16 | luke__ | Stargazer: not an option. theres no other partitions apart from swap |
| 20:51.26 | luke__ | bipolar: Honestly thats fine |
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| 20:51.52 | Stargazer | Luke__, i meant get another drive and use this dying one as a storage device. |
| 20:52.01 | bipolar | luke__: so you're going to go from a system unusable due to a RO /, to one thats unusable because of constant I/O errors and crashes? |
| 20:52.04 | luke__ | I think this is a software problem where incompatable flags are being set on files, not the hardware itself |
| 20:52.15 | bipolar | luke__: NO ITS NOT |
| 20:52.26 | luke__ | worked fine last time. |
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| 20:52.30 | bipolar | luke__: sigh |
| 20:52.38 | luke__ | shit, maybe you're right |
| 20:52.48 | luke__ | maybe I've just reached the bad sectors that were getting hit last time |
| 20:52.48 | Stargazer | Bipolar, he's obviously never encountered this before. he'll learn in due time. |
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| 20:52.51 | nitrix | Iḿ sending e-mails using a SMTP server installed in a debian and in the subject field is set as ANSI X3.4 instead of UTF-8 ? How is it possible ? I'm losting the special characters in the subject field... |
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| 20:53.18 | Stargazer | Luke__, how old is the drive? |
| 20:53.26 | luke__ | so, keep things as they are until I can replace the disk drive? |
| 20:53.32 | bipolar | luke__: Your disk is bad, you can't put a band-aid on it. There is nothing you can do to get it to work when the hardware is bad. |
| 20:53.35 | v1k1ng0 | cahoot: thank you |
| 20:53.45 | luke__ | Stargazer: I bought a new laptop with vista, took the drive out of the dead one it was replacing and installed lenny on there |
| 20:53.48 | luke__ | so quite old |
| 20:54.15 | Stargazer | Yeah... might wanna invest in a new one... probably with more space to boot. |
| 20:54.27 | Stargazer | HDD prices are kinda dropping. |
| 20:54.27 | luke__ | bipolar: I know. I just figured it was something I'd fucked up when setting the fs options when compiling a kernel |
| 20:54.53 | luke__ | Stargazer: yup. 40gb on this, on holiday at the moment but I brought the original drive too |
| 20:54.59 | luke__ | Thanks for the help =) |
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| 20:55.07 | bipolar | luke__: sorry the news isn't better. |
| 20:55.23 | luke__ | bipolar: better than not knowing what it is. cheers. |
| 20:55.27 | bipolar | luke__: good luck |
| 20:56.03 | nitrix | please, is there any bug that changes the mail text from UTF-8 to ANSI-X3.4 ? |
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| 20:56.38 | nitrix | I 'm brazilian, and I 'm having problems with accents |
| 20:57.17 | bipolar | damnit... I need a way to edit fstab from debian package scripts in a sane maner. |
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| 20:57.56 | bipolar | wishes fstab supported .include |
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| 20:58.21 | cahoot | v1k1ng0: please ask in channel |
| 20:59.20 | sullpg | i install debian 5.0 testing kde cd but there is no xorg.conf :) |
| 20:59.55 | sullpg | but xwindows is working :) |
| 20:59.57 | bipolar | sullpg: I don't think X needs it any more. |
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| 21:00.04 | babilen | sullpg: surprise! |
| 21:00.10 | bipolar | sullpg: it autodetects everything |
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| 21:00.32 | sullpg | bipolar, how do i edit the resolution |
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| 21:00.42 | v1k1ng0 | cahoot: ok. I've seen like it is ... sorry, thank you |
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| 21:00.57 | babilen | sullpg: If you want to configure something - like eg touchpad: There is a XStrikeForce page on the wiki |
| 21:01.15 | Drunken_Irony | babilen: how long should partitioning typically take? |
| 21:01.20 | Drunken_Irony | its a 250 gb drive |
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| 21:02.08 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: depends - not that long. It might take a while tough if you chose encrypted LVM though... |
| 21:02.26 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: So it works? (so far) |
| 21:03.09 | bipolar | sullpg: use randr |
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| 21:03.51 | bipolar | sullpg: KDE has krandrtray, not sure what gnome has. |
| 21:04.08 | Drunken_Irony | 15 minutes must be a bit excessive then for the default. |
| 21:04.34 | KnuckOne | "xorg -configure" could generate a full xorg.conf if it's really what you want sullpg |
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| 21:05.03 | Drunken_Irony | well yes |
| 21:05.11 | Drunken_Irony | aside from apprently hanging on the paritioning |
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| 21:06.41 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: do you have any messages on another tty? (ctrl-alt+F[1-9]) |
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| 21:06.58 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: Is it just slow but still making progress or stuck? |
| 21:07.17 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: Which partitioning scheme did you choose? |
| 21:07.37 | Drunken_Irony | the use the whole disk one |
| 21:07.41 | Drunken_Irony | i've actually tried all of them |
| 21:07.48 | Drunken_Irony | aside from the ecrypted lvm |
| 21:08.03 | Stargazer | Is there a program in linux that will allow me to place windows in a certain place on the screen? (like GridMove in windows) |
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| 21:08.59 | bipolar | Stargazer: you can launch the program with the --geometery option |
| 21:09.06 | bipolar | did I spell that right? |
| 21:09.16 | babilen | no |
| 21:09.19 | bipolar | hehe |
| 21:09.23 | Stargazer | Geometry |
| 21:09.58 | Stargazer | Yeah, but with GridMove all i would need to do is drag the screen with my scroll button and i could efficiently place windows across my screen. |
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| 21:10.33 | PinkFreud | hey folks. trying to figure out why splashy barfs on boot. |
| 21:10.44 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: is it making progress or stuck? any messages? |
| 21:10.48 | bipolar | Stargazer: sounds like a job for your window manager. |
| 21:11.00 | Stargazer | Hmm |
| 21:11.01 | cahoot | PinkFreud: isn't that a gentoo thing? |
| 21:11.01 | amphi | Stargazer: sounds like you want a tiling window manager ;) |
| 21:11.04 | Stargazer | I guess. |
| 21:11.10 | babilen | Stargazer: I do not know GridMove, what does it do, what do you expect? |
| 21:11.12 | Stargazer | I think i might install e16 |
| 21:11.13 | PinkFreud | it appears to work for a moment or two as it draws a progressbar, then it exits with signal 8 (divide by zero) |
| 21:11.15 | KnuckOne | !tell Stargazer -about devilspie |
| 21:11.16 | amphi | mumbles 'xmonad' |
| 21:11.29 | PinkFreud | cahoot: not on a debian box, utilizing the debian splashy package, it isn't. :) |
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| 21:11.38 | babilen | xmonad++ |
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| 21:12.16 | Stargazer | Babilen, it has a few pre-configured grids which allowed me to move my windows into the grids (sections) on the screen by dragging the windo with my scroll button. |
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| 21:13.06 | PinkFreud | worst part is... if I virtualize this box, splashy works just friggin fine. :) |
| 21:13.18 | PinkFreud | makes figuring out where the problem is a bit tricky. |
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| 21:13.37 | babilen | Stargazer: Yeah, sounds like a tiling window manager. Try xmonad, awesome, wmii, dwm, .... |
| 21:13.37 | war9407 | How come when I install oidentd it wants to REMOVE logcheck-database, WTF? |
| 21:14.26 | babilen | Stargazer: xmonad can even be embedded into KDE/GNOME/.../ |
| 21:15.25 | babilen | war9407: Please paste the aptitude output and that of apt-cache policy |
| 21:15.48 | war9407 | babilen: looks like a bug, on my older system I have not apt-get upgraded recently, it is OK,b ut ok |
| 21:16.32 | babilen | war9407: are you using sid? |
| 21:16.37 | war9407 | http://pastebin.com/m5231fd51 |
| 21:16.42 | war9407 | babilen: testing |
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| 21:17.06 | PinkFreud | bleh. any ideas why splashy would exit with signal 8 right after the system switches to runlevel 2? |
| 21:17.11 | do0ob | hey i have a question |
| 21:17.24 | amphi | !win do0ob |
| 21:17.24 | PinkFreud | do0ob: good to know. please feel free to ask. :) |
| 21:17.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, do0ob! You have won the US presidency! |
| 21:17.26 | do0ob | will the chromium browser become default on debian? |
| 21:17.42 | do0ob | since firefox is buggy and has the naming issue |
| 21:18.13 | do0ob | i'm using it from ubuntu's ppa repos and its working very well |
| 21:18.23 | war9407 | babilen: ever see anything like taht before? |
| 21:19.18 | Drunken_Irony | babilen: no stuck messages no. |
| 21:19.33 | Drunken_Irony | and no progress |
| 21:19.52 | Tux^verdreifelt | naming issue? |
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| 21:20.07 | babilen | war9407: yes, sure. Guess you have to wait until logcheck-database migrated to testing (v1.3.3 that is) |
| 21:20.09 | Stargazer | Babilen: http://adam.pcriot.com/r/epic_multi.png < it was quite easy to do this with GridMove. |
| 21:20.23 | war9407 | babilen: ah |
| 21:21.24 | do0ob | wants chromium in the experimental repo |
| 21:21.25 | babilen | Stargazer: http://xmonad.org as an example. although there might be something like GridMove for GNOME/KDE but I am not aware of it... |
| 21:21.42 | dclarke | good day folks .. another day of driver hell for those of us with the "rube goldberg install" |
| 21:21.44 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: too bad... |
| 21:21.49 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: *sigh* |
| 21:21.57 | Drunken_Irony | lol |
| 21:21.59 | Drunken_Irony | good advice |
| 21:22.01 | Drunken_Irony | sighs |
| 21:22.30 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: there are no messages? What is the last one? |
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| 21:22.45 | dclarke | may I ask, when one is using the installer and I need to add a driver how does one .. ddo that insmod thingy? |
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| 21:23.02 | Drunken_Irony | creating ext3 file system for / in partition #1 of ide1 master (hda)... |
| 21:23.03 | Drunken_Irony | thats it |
| 21:23.05 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: You could just boot a live CD, do the partitioning yourself, create the filesystems and just use that in d-i |
| 21:23.36 | Drunken_Irony | remember |
| 21:23.38 | Drunken_Irony | no cd rom |
| 21:23.56 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: yes |
| 21:24.00 | babilen | :( |
| 21:24.59 | simonrvn | do0ob: you're never going to get it |
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| 21:26.09 | dclarke | good day simonrvn |
| 21:26.10 | Drunken_Irony | the hdd light is on |
| 21:26.14 | Drunken_Irony | :-\ |
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| 21:27.26 | babilen | It might just take a while... but 20min (or?) without progress is quite long |
| 21:27.53 | Drunken_Irony | guess ill give it another hour |
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| 21:30.50 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: You are using the stable installer, don't you? |
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| 21:33.04 | do0ob | simonrvn: why not? |
| 21:33.16 | do0ob | its faster than opera and it has extensions like firefox |
| 21:33.31 | do0ob | i've already got the two i use, adblock and flasblock |
| 21:33.36 | do0ob | flashblock* |
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| 21:35.13 | PinkFreud | do0ob: for one, licensing looks to be something of a mess. |
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| 21:35.35 | brutus | How do I kick out (as root) a user who's currently logged on to my system? |
| 21:36.03 | PinkFreud | brutus: kill it's parent process (usually it's shell) |
| 21:36.59 | simonrvn | do0ob: opera isn't in experimental (or debian) either |
| 21:37.05 | brutus | PinkFreud, so if he's logged on to pts/2, how do I kill his shell? |
| 21:37.18 | Django|WieKenT | someone in the mood to help a n00b ? .. kernel crash .. no network (works during install) |
| 21:37.32 | simonrvn | dclarke: hi |
| 21:37.53 | dclarke | gday |
| 21:38.10 | dclarke | today is dat two of the great driver hunt |
| 21:38.16 | PinkFreud | brutus: you find the pid of his shell. 'man ps', 'man fuser' might help you here. |
| 21:38.17 | dclarke | day two |
| 21:38.31 | PinkFreud | do0ob: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520324 |
| 21:38.35 | PinkFreud | there's your answer. |
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| 21:39.07 | dclarke | simonrvn: however I should file a bug related to the installer missing a ddriver |
| 21:39.07 | dadsad | hej guys, is http://www.pastebin.org/57930 good performance for raid10 array? |
| 21:39.19 | Django|WieKenT | avondje dadsad |
| 21:39.20 | simonrvn | dclarke: reportbug |
| 21:39.21 | dclarke | dadsad: what is the bulk throughput ? |
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| 21:39.32 | dadsad | dclarke? |
| 21:39.34 | dadsad | how can I test? |
| 21:39.45 | dclarke | simonrvn: is there an interface ffor that somewhere .. or just bugs@debian.org |
| 21:40.10 | dclarke | dadsad: maybe make somefiles ? movethem around, append to them. write a bit of code to do that |
| 21:40.18 | dadsad | ? |
| 21:40.21 | simonrvn | bugs.debian.org .. should mention the ways |
| 21:40.24 | dadsad | how to see the rate then dclarke ? |
| 21:40.33 | dclarke | dadsad: never mind |
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| 21:40.41 | dclarke | dadsad: sorry I brought it up |
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| 21:40.53 | dadsad | ? |
| 21:41.20 | dclarke | dadsad: just measure the bulk throughput yourself |
| 21:41.32 | brutus | PinkFreud, thanks |
| 21:41.45 | PinkFreud | brutus: no problem |
| 21:41.46 | dclarke | dadsad: or use bonnie++ |
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| 21:43.39 | Xenguy | PinkFreud: that nick is as good as the PingFloyd I used to see around here ;-) |
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| 21:43.50 | PinkFreud | Xenguy: hehe |
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| 21:44.05 | orudie | thunderbird keeps asking to confirm certificate every time i check for new mail, so i'm wondering if that could be turned off |
| 21:44.45 | PinkFreud | at least one person has referred to me as PingFloyd recently. I was wondering about that typo. |
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| 21:45.55 | do0ob | PinkFreud: i can't really find a clear answer on the page or the page it links to, so basically its just a few source files not having a license at the top? |
| 21:46.37 | PinkFreud | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromium_(web_browser) |
| 21:46.49 | PinkFreud | from the wiki: The Google-authored portion of it is released under the BSD license,[2] with other parts being subject to a variety of different permissive open-source licenses, including the MIT License, the LGPL, the Ms-PL, and an MPL/GPL/LGPL tri-license.[3] |
| 21:47.16 | PinkFreud | a licensing mess like that can tend to hold packages up for debian inclusion |
| 21:47.36 | do0ob | wait a sec |
| 21:47.43 | do0ob | so it doesn't have a name? |
| 21:48.04 | do0ob | Any chance of it being in debian nonfree? |
| 21:48.07 | PinkFreud | do0ob: oddly, for someone who wants a google web browser to be added to debian, your google-fu is lacking. |
| 21:48.10 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 21:49.09 | amphi | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.23 | PinkFreud | do0ob: it's possible parts of the package can be added to debian right now. the problem is, adding part of chromium is useless. |
| 21:49.24 | KnuckOne | yeah anyway midori does the job ;) |
| 21:50.15 | do0ob | PinkFreud: thats sad, well at least i can use ubuntu's ppa for now, but i really would love to see it ship as default on a final version |
| 21:50.18 | simonrvn | do0ob: 1) not blood likely 2) we're the wrong people to talk with about this, except maybe giving you some clue |
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| 21:50.26 | do0ob | firefox just doesn't seem to be doing a good job with its linux version |
| 21:50.28 | simonrvn | bloody* |
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| 21:50.30 | PinkFreud | I don't know what the licensing issues are. IANAL. That being said, when a product, like a web browser, has so many licenses associated with it, that'll very likely cause problems with adding it to debian. |
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| 21:51.11 | PinkFreud | if you think you can help, please feel free to reply to the bug. |
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| 21:51.46 | do0ob | hm... |
| 21:52.22 | PinkFreud | and good luck. |
| 21:52.24 | djp_ | when using icedax, should i point to /dev/sr0 or /dev/scd0? |
| 21:52.30 | simonrvn | do0ob: as for FF, that's always been the case with mozilla, !windows always gets second-class treatment |
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| 21:53.23 | djp_ | ... or basically, what's the difference between /dev/sr0 and /dev/scd0? |
| 21:53.47 | Drunken_Irony | omg |
| 21:53.50 | Drunken_Irony | it actually is installign |
| 21:53.52 | Drunken_Irony | \o/ |
| 21:54.02 | do0ob | Drunken_Irony: what is? |
| 21:54.03 | zinx | scd is a cd interface, sr is a raw interface |
| 21:54.13 | do0ob | Drunken_Irony: chromium? |
| 21:54.23 | Drunken_Irony | debian. XD |
| 21:54.27 | Drunken_Irony | that was the first hurdle |
| 21:54.28 | Drunken_Irony | lol |
| 21:54.35 | do0ob | ah |
| 21:54.40 | PinkFreud | do0ob: one track mind, much? :) |
| 21:54.55 | zinx | there's also sg, which is a 'generic' interface... and the only one i have any real experience with :x |
| 21:55.28 | do0ob | yea |
| 21:55.55 | babilen | Drunken_Irony: :-) |
| 21:56.21 | djp_ | zinx: thanks. so even though in my /dev/ directory, scd0 points to sr0 (scd0 -> sr0), i should use scd0 with icedax, for example, "icedax -D /dev/scd0 -B"? |
| 21:56.43 | zinx | djp_: if that's the interface it wants, then yes |
| 21:57.04 | zinx | djp_: it doesn't matter if you use scd or sr if one's just a symlink to the other |
| 21:57.13 | zinx | djp_: you may even have a /dev/cdrom* symlink :/ |
| 21:57.55 | mirror_man | Hi. Can anyone help me with sound? I'm on squeeze and in volume control it doesn't show my intel sound card just USB 2.0 Camara (Alsa mixer) and in prefs there is nothing there except Microphone Recording. It was all working ok untill a couple of days ago now everything has just vanished. |
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| 21:58.53 | djp_ | zinx: yes... and a /dev/cdrw* and /dev/dvd*... :) |
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| 22:00.09 | djp_ | zinx: how do i ascertain which interface i should use? should i run wodim --devices? |
| 22:00.27 | djp_ | zinx: currently, i've just checked my /dev/ folder... |
| 22:00.40 | zinx | djp_: well if they're all just symlinks, it really doesn't make a bit of difference |
| 22:01.11 | zinx | djp_: use whatever one you like best :/ |
| 22:01.23 | djp_ | zinx: :) thanks. |
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| 22:06.45 | edgardo-laptop | buenas |
| 22:06.46 | edgardo-laptop | hhi |
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| 22:09.41 | mirror_man | Hi. Is there any known problem with sound in sqeeze? My card is not recognised in the sound settings and everything has dissapered in prefs. |
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| 22:10.22 | KnuckOne | mirror_man: if you're talking about alsamixer, use F6 to switch to your sound card, otherwise http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA, section troubleshooting could help you |
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| 22:11.07 | mirror_man | KnuckOne: ok I'll have a look. Thanks. |
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| 22:12.36 | allu2 | Hey! |
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| 22:13.11 | allu2 | i unplugged my web cam and now khubd is taking 90% of cpu and usb devices don't work and lsusb goes stuck |
| 22:13.23 | allu2 | anyway to fix this without retsrating computer? |
| 22:13.30 | allu2 | *restarting |
| 22:13.33 | zinx | probably not |
| 22:13.45 | allu2 | :( |
| 22:13.46 | zinx | if there was an OOPS message, you should probably give the full message to someone |
| 22:13.56 | allu2 | anyway to restart khubd? |
| 22:14.00 | zinx | yes |
| 22:14.02 | zinx | reboot. |
| 22:14.06 | allu2 | huoh :P |
| 22:14.14 | zinx | khubd is a kernel thread |
| 22:14.22 | zinx | ergo, restarting the kernel will restart khubd |
| 22:14.31 | allu2 | :P |
| 22:14.42 | allu2 | any idea why it went stuck? |
| 22:14.51 | zinx | and anyway, the fact lsusb's hanging means something's broken |
| 22:14.58 | zinx | allu2: dmesg could tell you |
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| 22:15.37 | allu2 | hmm |
| 22:17.56 | dadsad | guys, is there any way to compare 2 kernels with eachother? |
| 22:18.11 | dadsad | I want to know the kernel difference between a xen kernel and default debian kernel |
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| 22:19.39 | allu2 | dmesg |
| 22:19.41 | allu2 | http://pastebin.com/d25d72424 |
| 22:20.14 | KnuckOne | oh, that old gspca bug... |
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| 22:20.33 | allu2 | :( |
| 22:20.45 | allu2 | if it's old is there a fixed version? |
| 22:20.49 | KnuckOne | some reports have been sent 2 years ago, but never seen what happened with it |
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| 22:21.15 | allu2 | KnuckOne: i can say, khubd goes stuck and usb system stops working |
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| 22:25.25 | achilles | hello, anybody use majordomo ? I have a question please, I configured majordomo and it sends mail to the mailing list, but users who aren't subscribed can also send to the mailing list, anybody has info about it ? thanks |
| 22:25.39 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 22:29.34 | mercutio22 | is there a program to notify me of new mail or do I have to have evolution open at all times ? |
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| 22:30.30 | babilen | dondelelcaro: Could you change the debhelper paste kick line to include paste.debian.org as #flood is pretty useless? |
| 22:32.33 | TheJoe | Hmm |
| 22:32.44 | TheJoe | Need a nice green GNOME icon set |
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| 22:32.59 | babilen | mercutio22: There might be a gnome-panel applet to do so ... have a look at evolution preferences. |
| 22:33.08 | babilen | TheJoe: gnome-look.org |
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| 22:33.39 | TheJoe | babilen: A disorganised mess of Ubuntu-style themes? Cool |
| 22:34.00 | amphi | heh |
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| 22:35.05 | babilen | TheJoe: there are other theme sites ... it was just a pointer. Glad you like it though :-p |
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| 22:35.34 | TheJoe | :P |
| 22:36.09 | TheJoe | There's basically 3 things on Gnome-look: Cannabis, boobs and ubuntu |
| 22:36.31 | babilen | TheJoe: pick 2 and be happy |
| 22:36.53 | TheJoe | babilen: Boobs make generally boring themes |
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| 22:37.50 | simonrvn | TheJoe: i'm using the shiki and friends ones. nice green, red, etc. based icons and themes. |
| 22:38.45 | simonrvn | shiki-wise-theme gnome-wise-icon-theme |
| 22:38.46 | babilen | TheJoe: But I am certainly the wrong guy to ask about *good* gnome themes as I do not use it ... |
| 22:38.57 | TheJoe | babilen: Well, ok |
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| 22:39.11 | TheJoe | simonrvn: I'll take a look, thanks |
| 22:39.12 | simonrvn | don't need gnome to use those |
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| 22:40.30 | paxcoder | Dependencies trouble again: after a normal update which removed swfdec-mozilla, trying to install it again wants to remove, quote: "epiphany-browser epiphany-extensions gnome". I don't want "gnome" to be removed - what's the deal here? |
| 22:40.49 | simonrvn | gnome is just a meta-package |
| 22:40.54 | babilen | simonrvn: I'll have a look at the shiki-wise themes :-) Some of my programs might look better :-) |
| 22:41.03 | paxcoder | simonrvn: So? |
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| 22:41.05 | simonrvn | shiki-* |
| 22:41.32 | TheJoe | Ah. GNOME wise is 2.24 up only. I'm not breaking into sid again |
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| 22:42.46 | paxcoder | So you don't know what happened? |
| 22:43.47 | TheJoe | http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Gnome+Camu+green?content=115753 |
| 22:43.56 | TheJoe | Something good did come out of GNOME look after all :) |
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| 22:44.38 | paxcoder | :-/ |
| 22:45.32 | qwd | TheJoe: farsight has a nice green theme. well at least it looked nice on screenshots, I didn't really like it compared to clearlooks though. |
| 22:45.37 | simonrvn | paxcoder: check the deps. you should know this. |
| 22:45.53 | mercutio22 | how to use proxy in epiphany for just a few moments? |
| 22:45.57 | hark | paxcoder: aptitude why-not swfdec-mozilla will tell you why that is the case |
| 22:46.25 | hark | paxcoder: though it should be pretty obvious from the error |
| 22:47.04 | paxcoder | hark: Thanks. "epiphany-browser Conflicts swfdec-mozilla" <-- that was obvious. I still don't know why... They didn't complain about each-other before. |
| 22:47.11 | TheJoe | qwd: Already made my theme, just needed icons :) |
| 22:47.24 | paxcoder | Also, why isn't Iceweasel alternative to epiphany for gnome? |
| 22:47.41 | TheJoe | And now I need to wait for majhost.com to come back online for the photos I intend to use as cube caps/skydome/wallpaper |
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| 22:48.26 | hark | paxcoder: maybe because it's not part of gnome |
| 22:48.55 | JyZyXEL | how did you see all the listening sockets that are active |
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| 22:49.47 | qwd | The name is actually foresight, not farsight, in case anyone was wondering :) |
| 22:50.14 | paxcoder | hark: fine. but epiphany conflicting with swfdec is stupid. |
| 22:52.38 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I guess not setting http://www.pastebin.org/57954 decreases performance ? |
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| 22:53.48 | hark | paxcoder: it's not stupid if done for a valid reason |
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| 22:54.46 | paxcoder | hark: stupid until proven otherwise ;-) |
| 22:55.26 | hark | paxcoder: you're running sid, at least you should look at the changelog or the bts before complaining about it |
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| 22:55.53 | paxcoder | hark: changelog? |
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| 22:56.47 | [Jasper] | anyone? |
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| 22:58.14 | hark | !tell paxcoder -about changelog |
| 22:58.22 | paxcoder | hark: i saw that. |
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| 23:01.14 | paxcoder | hark: gzip -dc /usr/share/doc/epiphany-browser/changelog.gz | grep BLANK #fill in the BLANK |
| 23:01.20 | paxcoder | or say what you meant. |
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| 23:02.58 | hark | i really don't know why it's always like this with you.. give me a moment |
| 23:05.00 | hark | [ Josselin Mouette ] * Add a conflict with swfdec-mozilla, the plugin makes the browser completely unusable on any website with Flash content. |
| 23:05.03 | hark | !dbugs 557350 |
| 23:05.05 | paxcoder | hark: like what? I guess I don't know this stuff. |
| 23:05.08 | dpkg | #557350:N[epiphany-browser] epiphany-browser: improper conflict with swfdec-mozilla (); Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:57:02 UTC [] |
| 23:05.10 | simonrvn | paxcoder: hark or anyone else is pointless to argue with. if you have a problem, bug the packager(s) / maintainer(s). |
| 23:05.10 | hark | paxcoder: ^ |
| 23:06.01 | simonrvn | paxcoder: you've been around the block, you should know how to find this info. |
| 23:06.31 | paxcoder | simonrvn: i guess you're right. |
| 23:06.54 | simonrvn | i can't *always* be wrong ;) :P. |
| 23:07.13 | paxcoder | hark: thx for the bug nr. it didn't crash epiphany for me, but then I didn't update in a while I think. |
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| 23:08.32 | hark | np, well at least i found out via this that SWFdec is not maintained anymore :) |
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| 23:10.55 | paxcoder | hark: i thought that was coming (the way the CPU strain was never fixed). but somehow swfdec still beats gnash in my mind. |
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| 23:12.43 | TheJoe | Wow. Debian installer sure made a huge swap |
| 23:12.47 | TheJoe | 2.54GB :\ |
| 23:15.10 | sauvin | I have 3 gigs of RAM and deliberately made a 7 gig swap. |
| 23:15.34 | TheJoe | Doesn't a large swap actually *hurt* performance? |
| 23:15.45 | TheJoe | Or have I been indoctrinated by my VPS provider too much |
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| 23:17.06 | sauvin | Seems to depend on who you ask. |
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| 23:21.56 | shattere1 | TheJoe: is it actually in use? |
| 23:22.34 | valdyn | TheJoe: it doesnt |
| 23:22.40 | valdyn | TheJoe: especially not on servers |
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| 23:28.39 | orudie | is it safe to not use ssh key ? |
| 23:29.00 | valdyn | orudie: ssh always uses a key, what do you mean? |
| 23:29.12 | orudie | valdyn, i mean rsa key |
| 23:29.31 | valdyn | orudie: i doubt you mean that |
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| 23:30.11 | valdyn | orudie: are you asking if password based authentication is inherently less secure than using key based authentication |
| 23:30.23 | orudie | valczir, yes |
| 23:30.31 | valdyn | orudie: its not |
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| 23:30.37 | valdyn | orudie: both methods have their own issues |
| 23:32.29 | valdyn | orudie: now you can combine both too, a password protected key |
| 23:32.42 | valdyn | orudie: but security isnt useful when it gets to much in the way either |
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| 23:36.18 | simonrvn | layers |
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| 23:56.28 | leonardo | No one? |
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