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| 00:00.31 | linuxguy | !backports |
| 00:00.31 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 00:01.49 | linuxguy | bugger.can someone please give me a link for the sources list adding backports pls :) |
| 00:02.00 | magyar | why is iceweasel 3.5 not in testing? |
| 00:02.18 | babilen | magyar: look at the pts |
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| 00:04.08 | babilen | leonardo: search for console-setup and/or XStrikeForce on the wiki, (re)configure it and see if that helps. There might also be a lxde specific keyboard setting |
| 00:04.54 | magyar | babilen: thx |
| 00:04.56 | babilen | !bpo |
| 00:04.56 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 00:05.03 | babilen | linuxguy: ^^^ |
| 00:05.21 | babilen | !pts |
| 00:05.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pts is the Debian "Package Tracking System": http://packages.qa.debian.org/common/index.html a place where you can find the current status and some of the history of a given source package. http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename for information on a specific package |
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| 00:08.16 | linuxguy | babilen: thanks...from there how do i upgarde to latest kernel pls? |
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| 00:08.53 | JPT | download kernel sources, untar them, do make menuconfig and make-kpkg <some params> |
| 00:09.05 | JPT | then use dpkg to install the kernel |
| 00:10.17 | linuxguy | JPT.and would this work well with the easier-to-understand smxi script? |
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| 00:12.00 | JPT | i don't know smxi script, but i've got a simple php script that does everything except installing the new kernel and doing menuconfig |
| 00:12.13 | JPT | so yes, you can automize it |
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| 00:13.48 | babilen | linuxguy: Just install linux-image-whatever from backports |
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| 00:14.39 | babilen | linuxguy: aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-whatever |
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| 00:19.35 | DryGrain | heh, the bot is named dpkg |
| 00:20.15 | smacnay | is there a way to update to a newer linux-image with limited spaces in / ? |
| 00:21.44 | babilen | smacnay: make enough space for the upgrade (aptitude clean, delete unneeded files from /boot, ... ) |
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| 00:44.45 | linuxguy | ok if i want to get a "1280x1024" resolution on Lenny, and IT is not listed in display modes.how would I get that resolution by editing the xorg.conf file? |
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| 01:08.01 | dclarke | question .. on a bootable CDROM where are the drivers located ? Inside a deb file somewhere like squashfs-modules-2.6.26-2-powerpc-di_2.13lenny1_powerpc.udeb ?? |
| 01:11.02 | Drunken_Irony | hi |
| 01:11.07 | dondelelcaro | dclarke: depends on which drivers you're looking for. drivers for d-i are either on the initramfs of the boot floppy, or in a udeb. |
| 01:11.08 | Drunken_Irony | i'm having issues modifying xorg.conf |
| 01:11.13 | Drunken_Irony | <-- total noob to debian |
| 01:11.21 | Drunken_Irony | i can't login as root from the gnome login |
| 01:11.31 | Drunken_Irony | and it won't let me modify it from my normal user |
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| 01:12.13 | babilen | dondelelcaro: could we change the paste kick message from debhelper to point to a pastebin like paste.debian.org instead of #flood? |
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| 01:13.12 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 01:13.41 | babilen | s/org/net that is :-) |
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| 01:17.14 | zerohero | Drunken_Irony: use 'su' or 'sudo' (requires editing of /etc/sudoers first) from a terminal |
| 01:17.24 | linuxguy | dclarke: the drivers i think should be located like this /dev/dcd0/ |
| 01:17.26 | zerohero | Drunken_Irony: or open the terminal in root mode |
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| 01:20.23 | dondelelcaro | babilen: you already asked me; the answer is yes, but I'm not going to get to it soon |
| 01:20.45 | dondelelcaro | will change it the next time he recompiles debhelper |
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| 01:23.49 | babilen | dondelelcaro: great. sorry, must have missed the yes in my backlog :-) |
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| 01:24.40 | babilen | good night all! |
| 01:24.51 | linuxguy | >>is getting fed up at looking at ovel shaped circles :( |
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| 01:28.24 | tempnick | Hello. Got a fresh (net)install of Debian and I'm having some problems with svn. I just want to checkout some source, but I keep getting this message: svn: Can't connect to host 'foobar' : Connection refused. The URL is correct, but I've just installed svn like this apt-get install subversion. Am I missing something? |
| 01:29.21 | linuxguy | >>is missing answers!! |
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| 01:30.03 | jorgp | how do you do a backwards double quote |
| 01:30.07 | djura-san | hello |
| 01:30.29 | linuxguy | you cant |
| 01:30.55 | dclarke | jorgp: where is that on a keyboard ? |
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| 01:31.12 | jorgp | I know |
| 01:31.23 | dclarke | jorgp: if its in the regular ASCII char table somewhere you can do a printf "\xxx" for some octal value xxx |
| 01:31.49 | djura-san | i got one question: i installed netinstall version of deb today (v.5.0.3) but during installation i disabled network. after that i went to /etc/network/interfaces and enbaled it there. My question: is that all that i has to be done for network? Im using cable net via dhcp. |
| 01:31.56 | dclarke | # printf "\140\n" |
| 01:31.59 | dclarke | ` |
| 01:32.27 | amphi | djura-san: try ifup eth0 or whatever, and see if it works |
| 01:32.30 | dclarke | jorgp: but a double quote is just octal 042 |
| 01:32.49 | linuxguy | am I correct in saying that apart from Redhat debiain is probably one of the most secure, reliable distros out here? |
| 01:33.08 | jorgp | like =â$cleanuplist \â$mpg\â" |
| 01:33.10 | djura-san | amphi: it works. i installed it all today but im not sure if there is anything else to set up for network now!? |
| 01:33.15 | dclarke | linuxguy: oh hell ... no. Plan 9 is the best ! |
| 01:33.27 | dclarke | ha |
| 01:33.30 | linuxguy | i dont have plan 9 |
| 01:33.36 | djura-san | im writting this from debian (openbox flavoured) :) |
| 01:33.41 | dclarke | linuxguy: I have never seen it |
| 01:33.56 | dclarke | linuxguy: I have never seen anyone that has seen it |
| 01:33.58 | linuxguy | ive never seen plan 9 either |
| 01:34.01 | amphi | djura-san: can you resolve hostnames? |
| 01:34.10 | dclarke | linuxguy: but Debian .. yes .. that I have seen |
| 01:34.23 | dclarke | linuxguy: but asking a marketing question here is sort of silly |
| 01:34.31 | amphi | dclarke: I've run plan 9 under qemu ;) |
| 01:34.42 | amphi | acme! |
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| 01:34.49 | dclarke | there .. see ? I still have not seen plan 9 |
| 01:35.16 | djura-san | amphi: how to check that? |
| 01:35.18 | linuxguy | dclarke: dclarkewas not asking a marketing question.i was asking a question |
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| 01:35.57 | linuxguy | no idea about plan 9 perhaps the dclarke should google it? |
| 01:35.57 | amphi | djura-san: ping example.com or something |
| 01:36.07 | djura-san | amphi: btw i saw one message where it was mentioned something like "resolv..." not sure. im in X now so i cant see that msg again. |
| 01:36.10 | dclarke | linuxguy: in that case, no . Debian is not the most stable and secure distro around |
| 01:36.18 | djura-san | amphi: that works well. i tried with google.com |
| 01:36.32 | amphi | djura-san: looks like all is well then |
| 01:36.50 | dclarke | linuxguy: neither is Red Hat after RH zoot 4.2 |
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| 01:37.04 | djura-san | amphi: okay. just checking it :). Thank you. |
| 01:37.07 | amphi | djura-san: your interface is configured by dhcp? |
| 01:37.15 | djura-san | amphi: yea. |
| 01:37.21 | dclarke | linuxguy: but it is damn good .. YMMV |
| 01:37.34 | amphi | djura-san: so no need for manually mucking about with /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:37.45 | linuxguy | dclarke: where i live rehat is king here |
| 01:38.49 | dclarke | linuxguy: I can't recall the last time I have seen a RH server. Maybe a year or more |
| 01:38.52 | djura-san | amphi: good. i barelly abled to fix /etc/network/interfaces in console using nano with wrong keyboard layout (i use Serbian keyboard but default is usa)... Glad i learned new stuff today :) |
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| 01:39.12 | amphi | heh |
| 01:40.36 | linuxguy | i am now looking at moving from debian stable (lenny) to testing cos i cant get the answers to what i want in the irc channel..i dont want to move to unstable either |
| 01:41.19 | dclarke | linuxguy: well, so long as you have someone to blame. Thats okay. |
| 01:41.32 | dclarke | linuxguy: what is your issue anyways ? |
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| 01:41.45 | djura-san | linuxguy: tell us please. |
| 01:41.48 | dclarke | you want what ? Because I can't tell |
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| 01:42.57 | linuxguy | dclarke: ive no one to blame.no one at all.its quite simple i want to get a 1280x1024 resolution, my card supports it my monitor supports it, but its not listed in disoplay modes, so that must mean i can edit the xorg.conf file and add it? |
| 01:43.16 | mac` | anyone know where i can download the Etch? |
| 01:43.18 | djura-san | linuxguy: easy fix. wait sec |
| 01:43.32 | dclarke | linuxguy: easy |
| 01:43.55 | dclarke | linuxguy: just ask focused questions and then wait |
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| 01:43.58 | dclarke | linuxguy: that is a Xorg conf issue and Xorg will run with damn near everything |
| 01:44.05 | liable | dclarke: you get that installer working? |
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| 01:44.12 | dclarke | liable: working on it |
| 01:44.24 | dclarke | liable: I'm making a custom CDROM with the drivers on it |
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| 01:45.01 | dclarke | liable: doing dirty little trivial tricks , like burning a whole new install CDROM with the foo.ko files in a dir /drivers on it |
| 01:45.02 | rudi_s_ | mac`: Don't. etch's security updates won't continue for long. Anyway .. |
| 01:45.09 | rudi_s_ | !tell mac` about install etch |
| 01:45.22 | mac` | thank you... |
| 01:45.24 | djura-san | linuxguy: open xorg.conf and find your "Screen" section and see what depth is default (usually 24). Now search for that section in xorg.conf in subsection "Display" |
| 01:45.27 | djura-san | ... |
| 01:45.28 | linuxguy | dclarke: i know.ive edited many xorg.conf file before, but mine looks very minimal, different and i am a little uneasy, in case i get the dreased tty1 black screen |
| 01:45.29 | rudi_s_ | np |
| 01:45.59 | djura-san | linuxguy: then add desired resolution in modes (like "1024x768") and start x. |
| 01:46.04 | mac` | i cannot seem to install ssh |
| 01:46.08 | dclarke | linuxguy: I'm sort of paranoid and always set my console to a 9600 baud serial terminal anyways |
| 01:46.23 | linuxguy | djura-san: thats my problem everything says "configured" |
| 01:46.34 | mac` | is not available, openssh-server |
| 01:46.37 | djura-san | linuxguy: configured? |
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| 01:47.10 | linuxguy | djura-san: yes wait asec and i will pastebin my xorg.conf file |
| 01:47.17 | djura-san | okay |
| 01:47.41 | rudi_s_ | judd: versions openssh-server |
| 01:47.41 | judd | rudi_s_: openssh-server -- etch: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 etch-security: 1:4.3p2-9etch3 lenny: 1:5.1p1-5 sid: 1:5.1p1-8 squeeze: 1:5.1p1-8 |
| 01:47.45 | rudi_s_ | mac`: ^ |
| 01:48.38 | mac` | apt sources.list i disable the cd i want to install it from online |
| 01:48.54 | mac` | however, i get this msg not abailable |
| 01:49.13 | rudi_s_ | mac`: Did you run aptitude update? |
| 01:49.19 | mac` | not yet |
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| 01:49.32 | rudi_s_ | mac`: Try it. |
| 01:49.34 | mac` | i just did, |
| 01:49.39 | mac` | lenny it said updaytes |
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| 01:50.37 | mac` | didnt work |
| 01:50.45 | mac` | apt-get install ssh openssh-server |
| 01:51.11 | mac` | following pkg replace it : openssh-client |
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| 01:53.15 | linuxguy2 | djura-san: its here http://pastebin.com/m52df4ec |
| 01:54.39 | djura-san | linuxguy2: under "Screen" section there should be subsection "Display" where you can edit resolutions and colour depths. Wait a sec... |
| 01:55.39 | djura-san | linuxguy2: there is no screen section here. How did you install ati driver? |
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| 01:57.19 | djura-san | linuxguy2: im not so familiar iwth Radeon drivers but this should do something: http://pastebin.com/m57ae2bb9 |
| 01:57.24 | djura-san | *with |
| 01:57.36 | Akuw | how can i see if crond is runing in debian ? |
| 01:57.59 | linuxguy2 | djura-san: I tried the debian way, same thing, ati way worked but jumpy screen, so i used the smxi script, it put correct driver in cos compiz works, opengl screensvers work, it just doesnt put in the screen stuff thats all |
| 01:58.29 | linuxguy2 | there is screen section only 2 lines though |
| 01:58.52 | djura-san | linuxguy2: check my paste and try that http://pastebin.com/m57ae2bb9 |
| 01:59.27 | Akuw | i am using this t101@cyber-dyne:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/cron start i got ---> * Starting periodic command scheduler crond [fail] |
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| 01:59.48 | mac` | any solutions on this ssh? |
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| 02:03.41 | mac` | cannot seem to install ssh, has been obsoleted , or follow pkg replace it: openssh-client |
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| 02:05.16 | Macer | hm. what does the server install of 5.0.3 install by default that takes up port 25? |
| 02:05.23 | Macer | i don't see postfix or sendmail installed |
| 02:05.29 | Macer | and i am getting a port conflict on 25 |
| 02:05.45 | babilen | exim |
| 02:06.39 | mac` | any ideas? |
| 02:06.50 | babilen | Macer: also http://pastebin.com/f63aad1a3 if you have a question like this in the future |
| 02:07.13 | Macer | awesome. thanks |
| 02:07.50 | babilen | Macer: that scripts lists all open ports, the programs running there and their packages if applicable |
| 02:09.54 | linuxguy | djura-san: i tried that.i ended up with black screen of depth.i have to say that i have only had this problem with ati \ debian only and not with debian derivatives aprt from kubuntu |
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| 02:10.43 | Stargazer | I somehow lost my window's borders when i started up compiz. any ideas |
| 02:10.45 | Stargazer | *? |
| 02:11.19 | djura-san | linuxguy: did you compared xorg.conf from ubuntu and from debian lenny? Do that since it could give you some clues. Other than that i dont know what to say :( |
| 02:11.26 | linuxguy | Stargazer: did u select a decorater as wel |
| 02:11.54 | Stargazer | Linuxguy, it was the first run... i don't know where to change the preferences. |
| 02:12.44 | linuxguy | djura-san: its ok i got some answers.its obviously a debian \ ati driver issue.i was hoping for a solution but no one can provide it ( ie debian \ ati start talking to each other for a solution) |
| 02:13.13 | linuxguy | Stargazer: try this at terminal compiz --replace |
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| 02:14.44 | Stargazer | Thanks, linuxguy... but now i've lost Avant. |
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| 02:15.14 | dclarke | liable: well things just got ugly here. I tried to insmod pata_mpc52xx.ko and got a big ol "insmod: error inserting 'pata_mpc52xx.ko': -1 Unknown symbol in table" |
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| 02:16.05 | liable | ya, not surprised. try putting the module in /lib/modules/.. and run depmod -Aa |
| 02:16.16 | dclarke | k |
| 02:16.27 | liable | then modprobe |
| 02:16.38 | dclarke | please keep in mind that I puleld these .ko files from the correct .deb pkg |
| 02:16.44 | linuxguy | djura-san: thanks fro your help, it looked like it would work like it has with other debian distros.i wanted to use debian as its solid and secure for my on-line shop but its no use if im looking at ovals isnstead or circles and cant provide a proper image is it? |
| 02:16.45 | dclarke | I was very very careful about that |
| 02:18.06 | Stargazer | Linuxguy, when did you install the ATI driver? |
| 02:18.16 | djura-san | linuxguy: yeah... sadly true. |
| 02:18.26 | dclarke | liable: done |
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| 02:18.44 | dclarke | liable: lsmod shows the network drivers .. but not the pata_mpc52xx.ko |
| 02:18.53 | liable | now try modprobing it |
| 02:19.13 | liable | prolly wont work, but worth the try |
| 02:19.44 | dclarke | liable: modprobe pata_mpc52xx returns nothing |
| 02:19.50 | liable | \o/ |
| 02:19.53 | liable | lsmod |
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| 02:20.16 | dclarke | tada ! |
| 02:20.19 | dclarke | libata is there |
| 02:20.30 | liable | see if it sees your disk now |
| 02:20.42 | dclarke | libata 160616 1 pata_mpc52xx |
| 02:20.47 | dclarke | awesome |
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| 02:21.28 | dclarke | \o/ and the crowd goes wild ! |
| 02:21.37 | liable | sweet |
| 02:21.40 | dclarke | liable: took 36 hours of work .. but got there |
| 02:21.54 | dclarke | I don't ever give up :-) |
| 02:21.57 | dclarke | thanks man ! |
| 02:22.01 | liable | no worries |
| 02:22.13 | dclarke | no really .. people don't say thank you enough |
| 02:22.17 | dclarke | and I mean it |
| 02:22.24 | liable | when you get it installed, file a bug against installationreport package stating the module isnt in it |
| 02:22.32 | dclarke | I sponsor a few projects and LFS and Debian have always been on my list |
| 02:22.52 | dclarke | liable: I already have the draft bug report written and was waiting to have a functional workaround |
| 02:22.59 | liable | cool |
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| 02:23.19 | dclarke | you know .. its always nice to file a bug report with a "do this and you're okay" |
| 02:24.03 | liable | they don't really need to know a workaround, the d-i team just need to know that the module is missing. but sure, let them know you could work around it. |
| 02:24.04 | dclarke | I worry now that the installation will complete but .. the ddriver won't be in the installed resultant OS on the disk |
| 02:24.10 | dclarke | I'll have to copy it there ... maybe |
| 02:24.21 | liable | no, its in the kernel. |
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| 02:24.27 | linuxguy | Stargazer: i used the smxi script much easier.some some devs told me about it a while ago and it worked great.but now just using the smxi script doesnt work .dont get mw wrong here it works apart from athe screen resolution |
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| 02:24.37 | liable | the kernel you downloaded, is the one that will be installed |
| 02:25.03 | dclarke | okay .. in that case .. we should be groovy |
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| 02:29.37 | dclarke | liable: as an offhand guess, how large is a full blown all inclusive Debian 5.0.3 in terms of disk space? 12GB or so ? |
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| 02:30.36 | liable | not that big. say, kde, oo and gimp and shit, prolly 7G i would guess |
| 02:31.06 | dclarke | k .. I made the partition for / at 32GB and thats overkill |
| 02:31.10 | Justin_ | dclarke: what brings you to linux land? |
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| 02:31.45 | dclarke | Justin_: oh .. I have a strange love for open source you know |
| 02:31.52 | Justin_ | it's not really possible to install an all inclusive system, as many packages conflict with each other |
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| 02:32.11 | dclarke | Justin_: and I need a reference RISC embedded box for some testing |
| 02:32.23 | dclarke | so to me .. Debian 5.0.3 is the reference standard |
| 02:32.28 | dclarke | Debian in general |
| 02:32.59 | dclarke | I know .. I spend a lot of time in the Solaris/OpenSolaris world ... but have long enjoyed Debian and LFS |
| 02:33.19 | adb | !emdebian |
| 02:33.19 | dpkg | emdebian is, like, a distribution focused on extending Debian's reach into the embedded space; it is created by the Embedded Debian project, an official sub-project of Debian. It aims to make Debian GNU/Linux a mainstream choice for embedded Linux. Check out http://www.emdebian.org/ as well as http://familiar.handhelds.org/ or #emdebian on irc.oftc.net. |
| 02:34.33 | Justin_ | dclarke: you know there is debian/kfreebsd now? it's debian, but you have zfs and dtrace :) |
| 02:35.02 | dclarke | I have enough ZFS in my life |
| 02:35.09 | dclarke | swimming in it , in fact |
| 02:35.31 | dclarke | and that includes the dedupe features and all that edgey stuff |
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| 02:40.12 | dclarke | pardon me folks .. this install will now require some time |
| 02:40.17 | dclarke | wanders away |
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| 02:46.49 | linuxguy | dclarke: just reading your posts full blown debian install is 20gb! |
| 02:47.21 | dclarke | no prob ! |
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| 02:49.55 | linuxguy | dclarke: ive tried my utmaost best to make debian work for me, but if it doesnt work with ati then apure ebian system cant work for me.i am now trying out debian 6 testing, if that falls doen to then i will try something like mepis |
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| 02:54.11 | dclarke | linuxguy: I'm not sure of the issue ... |
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| 02:54.32 | dclarke | linuxguy: I can install debian into my microwave if it had a CPU and a storage device .. but, thats me |
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| 02:54.45 | dclarke | linuxguy: I rejiggered the partitions and setup 48GB for / |
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| 02:55.10 | dclarke | linuxguy: and left a pile of space free ... recall this is an embedded wonky thing so very small disks only |
| 02:56.47 | dclarke | lets out a scream |
| 02:56.55 | dclarke | liable: brace yourself |
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| 02:57.29 | dclarke | liable: the installer says "No installable kernel found in the defined APT sources" |
| 02:57.51 | dclarke | and then "You may try to continue without a kernel ... etc etc |
| 02:57.59 | liable | hmm |
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| 02:58.04 | dclarke | and thats .. odd |
| 02:58.11 | liable | not insurmountable, but yes, odd |
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| 02:58.23 | liable | look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:58.24 | dclarke | liable: oh .. nothing is insurmountable |
| 02:58.44 | dclarke | after needing 36 hours of hackary to get a driver loaded in the installer I can do anything at this point |
| 02:58.57 | liable | because the kernel is in the security repo |
| 02:59.13 | liable | check to make sure that repo is in source |
| 02:59.15 | liable | s |
| 02:59.17 | dclarke | liable: no such file or directory |
| 02:59.39 | liable | er. its in another directory and hasn't been copied over yet iirc |
| 02:59.44 | dclarke | in fact ... no /etc/apt at all |
| 02:59.45 | liable | have a poke around |
| 02:59.49 | dclarke | yep |
| 02:59.57 | Queue_Mr | Is it possible to install a kernel while in a chroot? I am having problems booting Sid today. grub error: Need to load a kernel first. |
| 02:59.59 | dclarke | I'll look for sources.list .. somewhere |
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| 03:00.25 | liable | you can also set debconf priority so you get more prompts and go back to selecting a mirror |
| 03:00.49 | liable | i cant remember if high or low makes it ask more questions |
| 03:01.07 | dclarke | liable: sorry .. I'm stupid. I am still in the installer and thus the /etc is really in /target/etc/apt |
| 03:01.16 | liable | yah, thats it |
| 03:01.17 | dclarke | and found the file right away |
| 03:01.18 | Drunken_Irony | how do you modify the xorg.conf file? |
| 03:01.24 | dclarke | ah ha |
| 03:01.30 | dclarke | I'm too smart for my own good here |
| 03:01.40 | Drunken_Irony | forcing the resolution to change? |
| 03:01.51 | liable | dclarke: with an editor |
| 03:01.54 | liable | erm. |
| 03:01.57 | liable | Drunken_Irony: ^^ |
| 03:02.07 | dclarke | liable: no .. I see the issue |
| 03:02.11 | Drunken_Irony | whats the easiest editor to use? |
| 03:02.30 | dclarke | liable: I was being smary pants and when I made the custom bootable CDROM I modified the .disk contents |
| 03:02.55 | dclarke | liable: so I have .disk/info == "Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 "Lenny" - MPC5200 enriched powerpc kde-CD Binary-1 20091128-00:55" |
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| 03:03.07 | dclarke | which is .. you know .. doesn't exist anywhere but here in front of me |
| 03:03.32 | liable | dclarke: ok |
| 03:03.45 | Justin_ | weird, i have lenny on a ppc box and it comes with the mpc5200 module |
| 03:03.55 | dclarke | Justin_: really ? |
| 03:04.03 | dclarke | Justin_: are you sure ? |
| 03:04.03 | liable | Drunken_Irony: theres lots, try one out |
| 03:04.09 | Drunken_Irony | i tried vi. failed miserably |
| 03:04.11 | liable | Justin_: during install? |
| 03:04.13 | Justin_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.18 | Justin_ | oh, dunno about during install |
| 03:04.25 | dclarke | ah ha .. yes . .thats the issue |
| 03:04.32 | dclarke | it just isn't there during install |
| 03:04.42 | dclarke | hence my custom funky Debian install CDROM |
| 03:04.43 | Justin_ | what kernel does the installer have? |
| 03:04.51 | Justin_ | it's not 2.6.26-1 or -2? |
| 03:04.52 | dclarke | 2.6.26-2-powerpc |
| 03:05.13 | Justin_ | that is strange, i thought the installer kernels were the same as the system ones |
| 03:05.19 | dclarke | I fetched the .deb file as per instructions from liable and extracted the drivers that you see you have there |
| 03:05.32 | dclarke | Justin_: yes! exactly the bug report I want to file |
| 03:05.39 | liable | they are, but during the installer build they dont always copy over *all* the modules |
| 03:05.46 | dclarke | oooh |
| 03:05.50 | Justin_ | oh, actually... the install kernels are split up into all those udebs |
| 03:06.22 | dclarke | liable: just to verify .. what do I do with this /target/etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 03:06.44 | dclarke | liable: put the cirrect string back in .. I guess ? |
| 03:06.52 | liable | dclarke: make sure it has security in it, and a proper line for ordinary sources |
| 03:07.02 | dclarke | correct string : Debian GNU/Linux 5.0.3 "Lenny" - Official powerpc kde-CD Binary-1 20090905-14:14 |
| 03:07.45 | dclarke | liable: I'm not too sure where I put that sort of thing .. all I have is deb cdrom:[Debian .... a long string ]/ lenny main |
| 03:08.07 | liable | dclarke: i'm not sure what a cd line should look like |
| 03:08.08 | Queue_Mr | Anyone have an idea what's going on here? http://pastebin.com/d35525c25 I've chrooted into Sid from knoppix. |
| 03:08.11 | dclarke | liable: this box is right on the internet so it can drag from a real source |
| 03:08.25 | dclarke | can I not install from the internet ? |
| 03:09.06 | liable | yes |
| 03:09.14 | dclarke | okay .. great .. let's do that |
| 03:09.28 | dclarke | I see a much larger thing there .. sources.list.d |
| 03:09.34 | dclarke | I wonder what is in there .. hrmmmm |
| 03:09.56 | liable | Queue_Mr: thats the error from within the chroot? |
| 03:10.19 | Queue_Mr | liable, yes |
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| 03:11.11 | Queue_Mr | liable, I hibernated my laptop this morning went to books a million, went to resume and got grub error: need to load a kernel first. |
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| 03:11.27 | Justin_ | dclarke: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main non-free contrib |
| 03:11.49 | Justin_ | dclarke: alternatively, re-running the apt-setup part of the installer should fix it for you |
| 03:11.59 | liable | Queue_Mr: someone had a grub error yesterday. i think its broken atm, try downgrading grub and rewriting it to mbr |
| 03:12.14 | dclarke | Justin_: I was just thinking along those lines |
| 03:12.34 | dclarke | I am wondering if I can just point to a mirror site for my required kernel and packages etc |
| 03:12.40 | Queue_Mr | liable, alright, right now the line I keep noticing is "grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for /." |
| 03:13.23 | Justin_ | dclarke: yes, it doesn't matter where the packages come from |
| 03:14.14 | dclarke | Justin_: I did what you said and put in a line for "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main non-free contrib" without the quotes of course |
| 03:15.12 | dclarke | hrmmm .. I get a warning about overwrriting the base system and the machine is still pulling from the CDROM |
| 03:15.35 | dclarke | perhaps I should have deeleted the deb cdrom line |
| 03:15.43 | dclarke | darn |
| 03:16.05 | Drunken_Irony | ok i'm lost here |
| 03:16.07 | Justin_ | if you do that, you need to add the normal http mirror |
| 03:16.15 | Drunken_Irony | i put the resolution in the xorg.conf and restart |
| 03:16.19 | Drunken_Irony | the resolution isn't recognized |
| 03:16.37 | Justin_ | something like deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 03:16.42 | dclarke | Justin_: sounds cool |
| 03:16.56 | Justin_ | Drunken_Irony: you'll need to pastebin your xorg config and log |
| 03:17.15 | dclarke | Justin_: let me check for the url at UofWaterloo .. they have a fast mirror |
| 03:17.16 | Drunken_Irony | don't know to pastebin the log |
| 03:17.22 | Drunken_Irony | but i'll have a xorg.conf shortly |
| 03:17.44 | Justin_ | Drunken_Irony: it's in /var/log with all the other logs |
| 03:17.47 | dclarke | Justin_: then again .. maybe http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ is fast too |
| 03:18.08 | Justin_ | dclarke: it's a round robin dns type thing, most of the top level mirrors are fast though |
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| 03:19.27 | dclarke | Justin_: I better confirm this ... |
| 03:19.47 | links2 | who use irssi? Where irssi option "hide join/part messages ? |
| 03:19.54 | dclarke | oh well ... I don't see where to run apt-get config .. but I'll edit sources.list and hope for the best and see what it does |
| 03:19.55 | Justin_ | links2: /help ignore |
| 03:20.56 | Justin_ | dclarke: oh, end result should be the same, just run apt-get update after editing |
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| 03:21.23 | liable | there isnt any apt-get in the installer |
| 03:21.23 | dclarke | Justin_: as a aside .. I'm supposed to be releasing (sparc) 0.9.8k,REV=2009.09.23 to the Solaris world tonight also .. but here I am doing a Debian install .. the longer this takes .. the longer it will be for me to push out an openssl update :-P |
| 03:21.29 | Justin_ | it should be in the menu though.. it doesn't say apt-get, it says something more generic like 'configure software sources' |
| 03:21.36 | dclarke | liable: aptitude then perhaps ? |
| 03:21.40 | liable | nope |
| 03:21.54 | liable | it has its own wrappers |
| 03:22.11 | dclarke | well I'm stuck watching "Installing the base system" |
| 03:22.17 | Drunken_Irony | Justin: http://pastebin.org/58019 |
| 03:22.22 | Drunken_Irony | thats the xorg.conf |
| 03:22.25 | dclarke | I may have to go back .. reformat the partitions and then try again |
| 03:23.28 | Justin_ | dclarke: what do you mean stuck? |
| 03:23.50 | dclarke | Justin_: there is a bar going across the screen and no way to stop it |
| 03:24.05 | dclarke | Justin_: so I'm stuck watching it |
| 03:24.10 | Justin_ | dclarke: oh, so it's working? |
| 03:24.24 | dclarke | Justin_: still pulling from the CDROM however |
| 03:24.34 | dclarke | Justin_: it is not going to the mirror site |
| 03:25.54 | Drunken_Irony | Justin: http://pastebin.org/58022 <-- log file |
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| 03:27.25 | dclarke | also .. "Configure the package manager" option kicks me out right away .. it appears to do nothing |
| 03:27.35 | dclarke | something very bizarre going on here |
| 03:27.57 | Justin_ | Drunken_Irony: (II) VESA(0): Not using mode "1366x768_75.00" (no mode of this name) |
| 03:28.04 | Justin_ | Drunken_Irony: try just 1366x768? |
| 03:28.29 | Drunken_Irony | ok |
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| 03:28.55 | Bradl001 | Stupid question here... where can I get a list of the experimental repositories to add to /etc/apt/sources.list. I use Ubuntu 9.10 and have looked around but am not making the "connection". Thanks in advance. |
| 03:28.55 | Queue_Mr | liable, no such luck so far downgrading grub2 grub-common or grub-pc |
| 03:29.17 | liable | Queue_Mr: you have a seprate /boot? |
| 03:29.22 | orudie | I still can't figure out how to make thunderbird stop asking me to verify the certificate on the server that I have set up |
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| 03:29.38 | liable | !dbugs #558042 |
| 03:29.42 | dpkg | #558042:C[grub-common] generated grub.cfg uses /boot with separate boot partition (); Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:42:01 UTC [558243 558255 558286 558306] |
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| 03:30.35 | Queue_Mr | liable, yes, everything actually. |
| 03:30.53 | liable | go see if that bug^^ has any workaround |
| 03:31.04 | Justin_ | it does, press e and remove the /boot |
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| 03:31.12 | Queue_Mr | liable, good find |
| 03:33.28 | odinsbane | I"m trying to use pptp to connect to a vpn. I get connected ok, but I need to do my routing. |
| 03:33.48 | Drunken_Irony | Justin: the same error happens in the log |
| 03:34.11 | Drunken_Irony | Not using Mode "1366x768" (no mode of this name) |
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| 03:34.41 | Justin_ | Drunken_Irony: not looking good.. isn't the poulsbo stuff kind of broken? |
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| 03:34.57 | Drunken_Irony | i don't know what that means. :P |
| 03:35.01 | Justin_ | something about intel outsourcing the design and then not having specs to make proper drivers? |
| 03:35.02 | Drunken_Irony | today is my first day of using debian |
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| 03:35.51 | Drunken_Irony | that would be odd. acer ships some of their laptops with linux distros |
| 03:36.02 | Drunken_Irony | this one had vista (slow as hell, had to go) |
| 03:36.51 | liable | Drunken_Irony: so without an xorg.conf, it won't start x? |
| 03:36.57 | dclarke | Drunken_Irony: you don't have to qualify *why* you removed vista. Just remove it. |
| 03:37.06 | Drunken_Irony | x starts fine |
| 03:37.12 | Drunken_Irony | just with a default craptastic resolution |
| 03:37.17 | Drunken_Irony | and i can't make it change |
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| 03:37.26 | liable | what DE ? |
| 03:37.27 | dclarke | looks up "craptastic" |
| 03:37.36 | Drunken_Irony | de? |
| 03:37.46 | liable | desktop environment |
| 03:37.48 | Justin_ | Drunken_Irony: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-devel@lists.debian.org/msg273627.html |
| 03:37.49 | Drunken_Irony | gnome |
| 03:38.24 | Drunken_Irony | so you're saying this acer is a nice paper weight. :P |
| 03:38.36 | amphi | !laptop |
| 03:38.36 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about Linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/mylaptops.html . For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. Also ask me about <acpi>, <laptop mode>, <netbook>, <suspend>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn . See also the debian-laptop mailing list: http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 03:39.02 | Justin_ | no, but if it is possible to get it to work, lenny definitely doesn't have the things required to make it work |
| 03:39.12 | Drunken_Irony | bummer |
| 03:39.13 | liable | Drunken_Irony: see if gnome has a dpi setting in the display thingo. try playing with that |
| 03:39.28 | Drunken_Irony | screen resolution? all the options are blank |
| 03:39.34 | Drunken_Irony | and the drop down boxes display nothing |
| 03:39.39 | liable | no, dpi |
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| 03:39.53 | Drunken_Irony | where do i access that? |
| 03:40.13 | liable | dunno. i don't even know if gnome has a setting for it |
| 03:40.16 | Justin_ | Drunken_Irony: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=45942 |
| 03:40.42 | Justin_ | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=533450 |
| 03:42.12 | Drunken_Irony | this seems to be a thing with dell |
| 03:42.14 | Mr_Queue | liable: thanks for your help removing /boot from the entries brought it back up. Nothing like the quarterly sid hiccups |
| 03:42.21 | Drunken_Irony | i'm not sure if i'm even rolling with the poulsbo chipset |
| 03:42.30 | liable | Mr_Queue: cool, no worries |
| 03:43.08 | dclarke | okay .. from the wild wild west crazy PowerPC install show I can report that I have to go back and remake that custom CDROM again .. just FYI to those watching the suffering |
| 03:43.30 | Justin_ | dclarke: why's that? |
| 03:43.31 | liable | no kernel again? |
| 03:43.37 | dclarke | worse |
| 03:43.41 | dclarke | worse than that |
| 03:43.45 | dclarke | and crazier |
| 03:43.52 | liable | dclarke: do a netinst cd |
| 03:44.04 | Justin_ | dclarke: did the base system install? |
| 03:44.07 | liable | at least you know how to get the disk detected now |
| 03:44.24 | dclarke | now that I went back to try to re-install it asks me to switch media to Please insert the disk labeled ... some sting I don't have |
| 03:44.26 | Drunken_Irony | I'm going to try this : http://touchstudio.wordpress.com/2009/05/31/acer-aspire-one-1366x768-graphics-driver-needed/ listed int he comments |
| 03:44.59 | Joelito | guys, question using grub2, how can I change the text font during boot? |
| 03:45.19 | MAdhaTTe1 | Drunken_Irony: perhaps you shouyld just install the right video driver and configure X11.. |
| 03:45.19 | Joelito | size is my problem -.- |
| 03:45.23 | Justin_ | dclarke: weird. shouldn't be asking that if you edited the sources.list |
| 03:45.26 | dclarke | liable: the only option is "continue" and I'm now stuck in a loop |
| 03:45.28 | liable | thats what she said |
| 03:45.42 | MAdhaTTe1 | lol liable |
| 03:45.51 | MAdhaTTe1 | was waiting for that |
| 03:46.05 | dclarke | yeah .. I get that complaint all the time .. too big .. yep .. its a sad scenario |
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| 03:46.08 | dclarke | now back to work |
| 03:46.13 | Drunken_Irony | well lol. it does tell me i have the poulsbo |
| 03:46.14 | Drunken_Irony | :P |
| 03:46.21 | liable | dclarke: you can look at ps and kill the likely offender |
| 03:46.36 | dclarke | liable: oh .. busybox will give me ps .. let me see |
| 03:46.43 | liable | yes it does |
| 03:46.43 | Justin_ | dclarke: sounds like all you need is the normal debian install cd plus a 'driver' disk with that module on it |
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| 03:47.18 | liable | yep, probably easier to just burn a netinst and go with that |
| 03:47.22 | dclarke | Justin_: I agree .. however my attempts to switch the media in the past failed horribly |
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| 03:47.34 | dclarke | Justin_: and a USB key has been tried also |
| 03:47.45 | dclarke | this is a "rube goldberg install" also |
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| 03:47.57 | dclarke | so I just added a /drivers dir to the CDROM |
| 03:48.07 | Justin_ | you couldn't mount a usb drive? strange |
| 03:48.24 | dclarke | well I'm using a USB DVD to install from |
| 03:48.29 | dclarke | and that works .. clearly |
| 03:48.47 | dclarke | but then to eject the installer media and insert a DVD/CDROM with the drivers was a horror show |
| 03:48.56 | Justin_ | ah |
| 03:49.05 | Justin_ | next time you boot the installer you should start it in expert mode |
| 03:49.10 | Justin_ | that will give you a couple more options |
| 03:49.29 | liable | or just change deconf priority |
| 03:49.34 | liable | debconf* |
| 03:49.43 | Justin_ | expert mode is different, it adds more choices to the top level menu |
| 03:49.47 | dclarke | oh .. nice |
| 03:49.58 | dclarke | I tried DEBIAN_FRONTEND=text and got no where |
| 03:50.05 | dclarke | not sure howe to get expert mode |
| 03:50.13 | Justin_ | you boot with 'expert' |
| 03:50.27 | Justin_ | i think if you are in the installer and you kill it from one of the shells it will restart in expert mode |
| 03:50.32 | dclarke | well ... I'll try that |
| 03:50.54 | Justin_ | i've done that a few times when I managed to confuse it, it just starts right back up again |
| 03:51.00 | dclarke | have nothing to lose here .. so I'll kill -9 debian-installer |
| 03:51.11 | Justin_ | i'd leave out the -9 :) |
| 03:51.13 | dclarke | or kill -HUP ? |
| 03:51.23 | liable | doesnt really matter |
| 03:51.24 | Justin_ | just plain kill should be fine |
| 03:51.26 | liable | just reboot it |
| 03:51.42 | dclarke | \o/ |
| 03:52.06 | dclarke | okay .. I'm back to the debian-installer text menu, grey on blue background thing |
| 03:52.27 | dclarke | I just want a simple thing .. to set the installer to go to the mirror site |
| 03:52.46 | liable | set debconf to low, then go to the mirror bit |
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| 03:52.59 | dclarke | oh .. and nitboot is out of the questions .. I'd have to setup ISC DHCPd and bootp and a whack of stuff .. this is right on the internet at the moment |
| 03:53.01 | Justin_ | dclarke: http://news.softpedia.com/images/reviews/large/debianinstallation-large_029.png |
| 03:53.09 | Justin_ | dclarke: netinstall != netboot |
| 03:53.41 | dclarke | oooh |
| 03:53.45 | dclarke | bloody hell |
| 03:53.47 | dclarke | let's do that |
| 03:53.50 | dclarke | :-) |
| 03:53.57 | Justin_ | the netinstall cd just doesnt have debs on it and defaults to http |
| 03:54.03 | Justin_ | so you can't go wrong |
| 03:54.20 | liable | it does, but it does use the net by default |
| 03:54.23 | dclarke | and it won't have that mpc52xx ddriver set .. so I'll have to hack it |
| 03:54.37 | Justin_ | dclarke: do you have a usb drive? |
| 03:54.41 | Justin_ | cause you could just install from that |
| 03:54.50 | Justin_ | and those are a lot easier to modify than cdroms |
| 03:56.11 | dclarke | true |
| 03:56.15 | dclarke | I have plenty of them |
| 03:57.17 | dclarke | Justin_: this is exactly what I am dealing with here : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/Debian_install_001.jpg |
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| 03:58.37 | Justin_ | dclarke: yeah, that's the right menu |
| 03:58.43 | Drunken_Irony | Justin: would I be better of switching to ubuntu? |
| 03:58.56 | dclarke | let me go back and start over with netinst |
| 03:59.42 | Justin_ | dclarke: that disk in expert mode should work though, just need to make sure you pick http when it asks |
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| 04:00.02 | Justin_ | Drunken_Irony: not sure if that supports the poulsbo stuff any better these days |
| 04:00.03 | dclarke | I mean who knew I would have to crawl over five miles of broken glass to get this going ... |
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| 04:00.50 | dff | i just updated debian from 4.0 to 5.0.3, everything works fine besides the smtp (postfix) it wont except what were valid passwords |
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| 04:07.43 | linuxguy | only 7 mins left for debian testing then i will see how it works.i seriously want a debian distro, but it i cant get what i need which is just asimple 1280x1024 res then i must look elsewhere :( |
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| 04:09.49 | Justin_ | dclarke: looks like it is just a simple bug where that module is not included on the CD |
| 04:10.10 | Justin_ | dclarke: the installer kernel is the same as the system kernel, the modules are just broken up into smaller packages, and the mpc driver isn't included in the pata-modules package for some reason |
| 04:11.06 | Justin_ | dclarke: what kinda ppc box is this? that controller must not be too common, otherwise I'd imagine someone would have had this problem before |
| 04:11.10 | dclarke | well I feel like the lucky one that landed on it |
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| 04:11.26 | dclarke | Justin_: its bizarre |
| 04:12.00 | dclarke | called an efika : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/efika_screenshot.png |
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| 04:12.09 | Justin_ | ah, one of those |
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| 04:12.35 | Justin_ | I have an old imac, probably the more standard config :) |
| 04:12.43 | dclarke | yeah |
| 04:12.56 | dclarke | in the next room I have an IBM RS6000 |
| 04:13.05 | dclarke | but I have not gotten to that yet |
| 04:13.07 | Justin_ | dclarke: lol, http://www.efika.de/index_en.html has a debian installer disk |
| 04:13.24 | dclarke | Justin_: which does not work very well |
| 04:13.33 | dclarke | been there .. done that |
| 04:13.35 | Justin_ | yeah, that is probably sarge or etch |
| 04:13.55 | dclarke | I have debian-503-powerpc-netinst.iso now |
| 04:14.04 | dclarke | I'll burn it .. or .. hrmmm |
| 04:14.04 | Justin_ | ah, the mpc52xx thing IS the efika? |
| 04:14.10 | dclarke | put it on usb key |
| 04:14.35 | dclarke | see http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MPC5200B |
| 04:14.50 | dclarke | MPC5200B is based on a 400 MHz MPC603e core with an integrated double precision Floating Point Unit (FPU) |
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| 04:15.13 | dclarke | runs at -40C to +85C |
| 04:15.33 | dclarke | BestComm Intelligent DMA I/O Controller |
| 04:15.41 | dclarke | its a hell of a SoC |
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| 04:16.56 | dclarke | what I want is a single embedded board with 16 MPC5200B on it |
| 04:17.15 | dclarke | a cluster on a single mini PC sized board |
| 04:18.02 | Justin_ | a quad core i7 is probably faster :) |
| 04:18.12 | d1b | Justin_: and would use more power :) |
| 04:18.13 | dclarke | party pooper |
| 04:18.24 | dclarke | but can it run at -40 C ? |
| 04:18.25 | d1b | dclarke: what arch is that ? |
| 04:18.31 | dclarke | PowerPC |
| 04:18.38 | d1b | dclarke: have you considered arm ? |
| 04:18.41 | Justin_ | dclarke: not sure if that board supports booting off usb, so cdrom might be your best bet |
| 04:18.42 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.58 | d1b | what are you using them for ? |
| 04:18.59 | dclarke | oh .. well .. I was going to stick to what I knew worked anyways ... |
| 04:19.09 | dclarke | d1b: can't tell you |
| 04:19.15 | d1b | dclarke: orly :) |
| 04:19.18 | dclarke | really .. I can't |
| 04:19.22 | d1b | ok. |
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| 04:19.39 | dclarke | let's just say it has to be wrapped in a hardened steel case and run at -35C |
| 04:19.56 | dclarke | and provide a OS with TCP/IP and a few things like that |
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| 04:24.55 | dclarke | pardon me .. must blank and burn a CDROM again |
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| 04:26.04 | d1b | dclarke: you burn the iso to a cdrom. i just use the cdrom type i can re-write too so can't help you there. :) |
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| 04:28.54 | dclarke | d1b:I am very familiar with cdrecord/mkisofs, so its not a problem |
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| 04:32.12 | d1b | dclarke: cdrecord is now wodim if i remember correctly :) |
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| 04:32.15 | oxi | hi |
| 04:32.24 | oxi | how do I find out a users home dir? |
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| 04:33.23 | nsadmin | is still using cdrecord/xcdroast... anyting better I should get used to (and, better why?) |
| 04:33.28 | dclarke | d1b: I build it from sources .. and so .. you know, its cdrecord |
| 04:33.39 | dclarke | oxi: look in /etc/passwd |
| 04:33.47 | dclarke | oxi: grep username /etc/passwd |
| 04:33.55 | oxi | dclarke: perfect, thanks!!! |
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| 04:35.44 | d1b | !wodim |
| 04:35.44 | dpkg | wodim is probably a <DFSG> compliant fork of <cdrecord>. See http://lwn.net/Articles/198171/ for the release notice. |
| 04:35.59 | dclarke | I still use what works |
| 04:36.17 | dclarke | carefully taps his DEC VT100 on his PDP11 |
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| 04:40.14 | linuxguy | oh well bye bye debian.testing stuff didnt work either.have to move on.just for the sake of ati and debian not being able to communicate :( |
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| 04:45.36 | knubbze | hi |
| 04:45.48 | knubbze | how does the implementation of dlopen (3) differ from the documented one |
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| 04:46.10 | knubbze | especially when it comes to libraries inheriting symbols from other libraries |
| 04:46.13 | knubbze | when they're loaded |
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| 04:54.14 | crazy2k | Has anyone had problems with the "toggle full screen" shortcut (ctrl+alt+f) in kvm? |
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| 05:02.58 | oxi | what can I do if kill doesn't seem to kill a process? |
| 05:03.18 | Dassu | kill -9 |
| 05:03.24 | oxi | thanks |
| 05:03.41 | oxi | Dassu: yeah, that worked! |
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| 05:06.02 | bugjar | oxi - nasty way to kill a process |
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| 05:06.29 | oxi | yeah, but what ever needs to be done - needs to be done :-) |
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| 05:07.13 | bugjar | oxi, there are times when its callled for, sadly. |
| 05:07.25 | oxi | seems so |
| 05:07.50 | oxi | I guess in my case OpenJDK was eating up all resources |
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| 05:10.00 | simon22543 | Is anyboby here using ext4? |
| 05:10.20 | knubbze | Hello, I am a soon-to-be-former user of Debian. And I have a question |
| 05:10.29 | knubbze | why does debian pretend it has RTLD_GLOBAL implemented |
| 05:10.37 | knubbze | whilst it is acually not at all SuS/POSIX conform |
| 05:10.41 | dclarke | what ? |
| 05:10.49 | knubbze | also lol@ documenting the RTLD_GLOBAL behaviour as implemented in dlopen (3) |
| 05:10.51 | knubbze | daft kikes |
| 05:11.06 | dclarke | if you want strict POSIX.1 and POSIX.4 implementation .. go get Solaris |
| 05:11.25 | dclarke | daft what ? |
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| 05:11.28 | knubbze | fuck your `if you want', I would like to know why dlopen (3) describes the |
| 05:11.32 | knubbze | behaviour as implemented |
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| 05:11.41 | simon22543 | When I del a directory contain kernel source ,it takes 10 second,so? |
| 05:11.43 | dclarke | ignores knubbze forever |
| 05:11.43 | knubbze | and why the system pretends that it does actually have RTLD_GLOBAL |
| 05:11.52 | knubbze | dclarke: see if I care you jewish son of a bitch |
| 05:12.04 | knubbze | go indulge harder in your ivory tower world of debian-spastic elitism |
| 05:12.07 | knubbze | cockhopping noncebadger |
| 05:12.32 | dclarke | looks for the optstatus switch to kick/ban |
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| 05:12.54 | simon22543 | not a bit directory,no more than 70MB,I think |
| 05:12.56 | knubbze | dclarke: yeah look for more `opt' status |
| 05:13.43 | knubbze | fucking hell |
| 05:13.56 | knubbze | also furiously laughing at your non sequitur `ARGUMENTS' @ mailing list re: why RTLD_GLOBAL is evil |
| 05:14.05 | knubbze | jesus christ stop treating programmers like fucking babies you idiots |
| 05:14.09 | knubbze | programmers are fucking autists |
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| 05:14.54 | knubbze | I hope you all rot in hell |
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| 05:15.58 | Dominian | knubbze: Please keep it civil |
| 05:16.04 | klaxo43 | i am trying to transfer the contents of a usb drive (fat32) to my debian box. when i copy the files, long filenames are shortened with ~1 at the end and all are lowercase. how can i retain the full filenames and case? |
| 05:16.08 | knubbze | Dominian: please keep Debian SANE |
| 05:16.26 | Dominian | knubbze: You going off isn't going to make any situation any better. |
| 05:16.43 | knubbze | Dominian: lol, stop your pathetic Debian-induced attempts at mediating |
| 05:16.51 | Dominian | hrm |
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| 05:16.59 | vxp | emoban |
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| 05:17.13 | vxp | lol@archetypal elitistic reaction to critique |
| 05:17.15 | vxp | you worthless kike |
| 05:17.30 | vxp | brb packetting Dominian |
| 05:17.32 | Dominian | vxp: That's not helping anything |
| 05:17.37 | vxp | Dominian: That's not helping anything |
| 05:17.45 | Dominian | shakes his head at vxp |
| 05:17.48 | bittwist | the troll is heavy in this channel |
| 05:17.49 | vxp | stop breathing |
| 05:17.51 | sauvin | Don't bother. |
| 05:17.55 | vxp | jesus christ shut the fuck up |
| 05:17.57 | vxp | nice pucntuation |
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| 05:18.13 | Bacta | vxp: ? |
| 05:18.14 | elky | nice spelling. |
| 05:18.34 | vxp | shut the fuck up |
| 05:18.34 | liable | must be sunday |
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| 05:18.54 | Bacta | Now that's what I call trolling |
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| 05:19.55 | oxi | how do I add something to an envar? |
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| 05:19.58 | oxi | export _JAVA_OPTIONS=$JAVA_OPTIONS..... |
| 05:20.06 | teratoma | hi vxp |
| 05:20.09 | teratoma | how is Norway |
| 05:20.20 | bittwist | he is gone |
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| 05:21.05 | oxi | like foo = "foo", foo=foo+"bar" |
| 05:21.17 | oxi | how can something like that be done with exports? |
| 05:22.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | oxi: foo="$foo bar" ? |
| 05:22.25 | sn18 | oxi:foo="foo" ; foo="${foo}bar" |
| 05:22.26 | liable | bleh, i cant remember the password for my old boxen that i want to get my music and photos off |
| 05:22.43 | oxi | sn18: thanks |
| 05:22.58 | oxi | Kamping_Kaiser: I didn't expect nesting to work |
| 05:23.25 | sauvin | liable, when that happens to me, these days, I just fire up a livecd. |
| 05:23.33 | sn18 | oxi:np |
| 05:24.21 | liable | yeah, i'll just boot single mode |
| 05:25.03 | sauvin | (caveat: modulo encryption) |
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| 05:27.41 | lordkelmain | Hi all. Any pointers to get fn keys working to control monitor brightness? |
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| 05:30.30 | enyawix | i know what is wrong with printing |
| 05:30.48 | enyawix | should cups emulate lpr? |
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| 05:32.16 | djveer | hey guys, I have debian lenny installed on my mac mini as a little web server for testing... and I consistently have about 1.5% packet loss when pinging it from my other machine (it is wireless, but never noticed that loss before) Any ideas what could be causing that? |
| 05:32.33 | racecar56 | i did modprobe eth1394 but i didn't get another ethernet interface listed inside of ifconfig, what's wrong? |
| 05:32.35 | djveer | my other machine is wireless I mean.. not the mini |
| 05:32.47 | liable | racecar56: ifconfig -a ? |
| 05:33.15 | racecar56 | liable: nope |
| 05:33.17 | racecar56 | liable: didnt help |
| 05:33.26 | liable | djveer: does iwconfig show any invalid packets? |
| 05:33.32 | racecar56 | liable: eth0 lo pan0, that's all there is. |
| 05:33.51 | racecar56 | liable: without -a it's eth0 and lo |
| 05:35.04 | liable | dunno |
| 05:36.15 | Bacta | WE shall overcomeeeeeee |
| 05:36.21 | Bacta | We shall overcomeeeeeeeee |
| 05:37.11 | liable | shuddup |
| 05:37.34 | djveer | liable: nah no invalid packets on eth0 on the mini... and on the wireless card on the other machine |
| 05:37.41 | liable | can i mount an mdraid partition without actually starting the raid? |
| 05:38.08 | liable | djveer: no bad nwid or anything down the bottom of iwconfig output? |
| 05:39.01 | liable | bloody hell, now i'm going to have to let it rebuild the raid.. |
| 05:39.02 | djveer | liable: i'll check that, thanks |
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| 05:42.04 | dclarke | begins to cry |
| 05:42.33 | dclarke | liable: after netinst has done its thing .. same message that No installable kernel was found |
| 05:42.44 | dclarke | in the defined APT sources |
| 05:43.05 | Justin_ | dclarke: install it manually then |
| 05:43.19 | dclarke | perfect .. that sounds okay |
| 05:43.26 | dclarke | and then .. well .. gee |
| 05:43.38 | Justin_ | dclarke: just chroot /target and apt-get install linux-image-2.6-powerpc |
| 05:43.41 | dclarke | how does one do that sort of , you know, manual kernel install thingy? |
| 05:43.52 | dclarke | okay .. good man .. let me do that |
| 05:44.15 | Justin_ | then you should be able to install the bootloader through the installer menu hopefully :) |
| 05:44.30 | liable | there isnt apt-get in it |
| 05:44.31 | liable | anna install .. |
| 05:44.33 | liable | make sure security is in sources.list |
| 05:44.53 | dclarke | its not |
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| 05:45.03 | dclarke | so .. I better nano/vi sources.list .. again |
| 05:45.06 | liable | because the kernel is in the security repo |
| 05:45.15 | dclarke | geez .. okay |
| 05:45.17 | Justin_ | how is he managing to break it like that? |
| 05:45.26 | liable | dunno |
| 05:45.38 | dclarke | I swear I'm doing nothing special other than adding a driver |
| 05:45.51 | Justin_ | i didnt think it was possible to get it to build a sources.list without security |
| 05:46.02 | dclarke | so then .. where is this "security" repo ? at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ ? |
| 05:46.03 | liable | yeah, i dunno why its not adding it |
| 05:46.05 | Justin_ | although.. that was a bug in lenny r0 if I remember correctly |
| 05:46.26 | dclarke | loves hitting installer bugs |
| 05:46.45 | Justin_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main non-free contrib |
| 05:46.47 | liable | grr, i need to mount this stupid raid partition |
| 05:46.54 | dclarke | al I have is the deb cdrom:[big long string |
| 05:47.11 | liable | hmm |
| 05:47.18 | Justin_ | dclarke: grrrr, you shouldn't |
| 05:47.29 | Justin_ | dclarke: didn't you tell it to use http? |
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| 05:49.07 | dclarke | Justin_: I booted the netinst cdrom and this is what I get in /target/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:49.12 | liable | dclarke: just try 'anna install linux-kernel-2.6.26-powerpc |
| 05:49.13 | dclarke | a single entry for deb cdrom |
| 05:49.53 | dclarke | not linux-kernel-2.6.26-2-powerpc <-- note the -2 |
| 05:50.03 | liable | yeah that |
| 05:50.07 | Justin_ | dclarke: did you do the steps in the menus about http mirror seection? |
| 05:50.10 | dclarke | anna command not found |
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| 05:50.26 | dclarke | I have not see a step yet for mirror selection |
| 05:50.32 | dclarke | I just got the base install done |
| 05:50.42 | liable | dclarke: tab through all the 'a' commands, there is two apt like tools in the installer |
| 05:50.48 | liable | i forget their names |
| 05:50.52 | dclarke | like aptitude |
| 05:51.01 | liable | its not aptitude |
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| 05:51.03 | Justin_ | you either picked cdrom when it asked you, or it didn't ask you because you arenot using expert mode |
| 05:51.06 | dclarke | okay .. let me tell the installer to continue |
| 05:51.18 | dclarke | I did expert mode |
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| 05:52.25 | Justin_ | dclarke: http://news.softpedia.com/images/reviews/large/debianinstallation-large_029.png |
| 05:52.41 | Justin_ | dclarke: did you get that screen? |
| 05:53.58 | liable | fucking hell, i need to install mdadm on the bloody thing now and start a degraded array |
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| 05:54.21 | dclarke | Justin_: I am looking at the "configure the package manager" screen now |
| 05:54.49 | Justin_ | dclarke: that screen I linked to you would have gotten before the base system was installed |
| 05:54.59 | Justin_ | it's one of the first screens you see |
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| 05:55.17 | dclarke | well, I'm sorry to say that I was able to do a chroot /target and there is a pile of stuff there |
| 05:55.28 | dclarke | and I have never done a apt-get configure stage |
| 05:55.47 | Justin_ | i don't see how that is possible |
| 05:55.51 | dclarke | in fact .. "Configuring apt" is running now with a little bar going across the screen |
| 05:56.01 | dclarke | well, I am simply telling you what I see |
| 05:56.06 | Justin_ | you're not doing this install over a serial console by any chance are you? |
| 05:56.12 | dclarke | nope |
| 05:56.15 | Justin_ | darn |
| 05:56.16 | dclarke | this is a screen |
| 05:56.38 | dclarke | a graphics monitor exactly like this : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/prototype/Debian_install_001.jpg |
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| 05:56.51 | dclarke | now I am looking at Select and Install software |
| 05:56.59 | Justin_ | tasksel? |
| 05:57.09 | dclarke | "Please wait" and its at 1% |
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| 05:57.37 | dclarke | would be nice to see a progress screen |
| 05:57.54 | dclarke | perhaps a pseudo terminal with verbose progress they things |
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| 05:58.32 | dclarke | now intsalling whiptail |
| 05:58.42 | liable | look at vt4 |
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| 05:58.59 | dclarke | looks like I'm wrong .. some sort of baseline package set gets installed from the CDROM and then the apt-get process begins |
| 05:59.11 | dclarke | but no kernel .. clearly |
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| 06:00.55 | jpinx-eeepc | I'd like to leave my router-controlled nat as it is, but connect a bot to one of those on the nat via a xovercable and a static route. After reading loads I'm still a bit confused (understatement) how to do this |
| 06:01.14 | jpinx-eeepc | *connect a box... |
| 06:01.33 | Justin_ | does your router allow you to add static routes? |
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| 06:01.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Justin_: I don't want static from the router - people are popping on and off that |
| 06:02.12 | Justin_ | popping? |
| 06:02.21 | liable | ah, that wasn't as annoying as I thought it would be |
| 06:02.27 | konbon | Hello everyone, i was wondering if Debian with Xfce can be changed to FloxBox desktop environment ? |
| 06:02.34 | konbon | FluxBox* |
| 06:02.42 | karsten | konbon: yes. |
| 06:02.47 | jpinx-eeepc | but I want to connect a spare box to one of the boxes on the nat by xover cable - not through the router |
| 06:02.49 | konbon | Nice! |
| 06:03.02 | konbon | do you know the terminal comand? |
| 06:03.08 | karsten | konbon: Easiest method IMO is to create an .xinitrc launching fluxbox as your windowmanager. |
| 06:03.18 | konbon | Ah ok |
| 06:03.35 | konbon | much easier |
| 06:03.35 | jpinx-eeepc | Justin_: and I'd like that xover cable connection to be static and peresistent |
| 06:03.41 | konbon | Thanks for the info :) |
| 06:03.49 | karsten | konbon: .xinitrc or .xsessionrc, I think they're fully interchangeable. |
| 06:03.56 | Justin_ | .xsession |
| 06:04.27 | konbon | Thanks :D |
| 06:04.32 | karsten | Justin_: Point. |
| 06:04.35 | karsten | konbon: http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/a802.html |
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| 06:04.57 | konbon | nice |
| 06:05.09 | karsten | konbon: and: http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xinitrc.html |
| 06:05.27 | karsten | Justin_: I just symlink a bunch of the ususal suspects to one another. |
| 06:05.34 | konbon | Thank you for the help :) |
| 06:05.39 | karsten | konbon: NP. |
| 06:05.42 | DryGrain | Eww, fluxbox. :) |
| 06:05.46 | konbon | i love debian :D |
| 06:05.57 | karsten | DryGrain: Could be worse. He could be running ... windowmaker. |
| 06:06.02 | konbon | I use bb4win @ work, so, im used to it |
| 06:06.09 | karsten | lovingly fondles his wmaker desktop. |
| 06:06.24 | karsten | konbon: bb4win? |
| 06:06.49 | karsten | ah. blackblox. Is that a Windows skin then? |
| 06:06.58 | liable | stop molesting your WM |
| 06:07.07 | konbon | our work computers run this terrible operating system called windows, and it comes with a nighmare of a shell called explorer.exe, so, i use bb4win aka bblean |
| 06:07.19 | konbon | :P |
| 06:07.30 | konbon | yes, blackbox |
| 06:07.41 | konbon | so many names |
| 06:07.43 | jpinx-eeepc | do I have to "route add.." in the server *and* the client? |
| 06:07.45 | rvalles | you could also just inst debian |
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| 06:07.48 | karsten | liable: It's a mutually consenting fondle. |
| 06:07.57 | liable | thats what she said |
| 06:08.21 | konbon | The Office, lol |
| 06:08.41 | konbon | I'm actually watching that now :P Michael says that all the time. |
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| 06:08.45 | karsten | konbon: cygwin? |
| 06:09.06 | karsten | hasn't actually had to run windows locally for years. |
| 06:09.07 | konbon | whats that? |
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| 06:09.32 | jpinx-eeepc | goes back to reading boring how-to's about routing |
| 06:09.33 | rvalles | the stuff window managers manage ;) |
| 06:09.39 | karsten | konbon: http://www.cygwin.com/ If you're stuck w/ windows you might appreciate it. It's also off-topic. |
| 06:09.44 | rvalles | goes take a nap |
| 06:09.56 | karsten | steals rvalles's nap. |
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| 06:10.09 | rvalles | gimme my nap back! |
| 06:10.11 | konbon | omg, i think i had a dream about an app / shell like this |
| 06:10.19 | konbon | linux look on a windows syste, |
| 06:10.20 | konbon | m |
| 06:10.25 | konbon | thanks for the infor m8! :D |
| 06:10.34 | rvalles | you could also use virtualbox, fullscreen |
| 06:10.36 | karsten | konbon: NP. Ease your suffering a bit. |
| 06:10.44 | konbon | No lie. |
| 06:11.01 | karsten | My pref would be Debian as the host, Windows either virtual or via rdesktop |
| 06:12.06 | Justin_ | dclarke: it working now? |
| 06:13.57 | liable | does the happy dance |
| 06:14.18 | liable | been meaning to backup this data for a year or so |
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| 06:19.10 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:19.10 | dpkg | <Caelum> arguing is pointless, stupid people will remain stupid |
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| 06:45.32 | dclarke | 06:12 < Justin_> dclarke: it working now? |
| 06:45.39 | dclarke | sorry .. stepped away |
| 06:46.06 | dclarke | Justin_: the thing is still downloading and/or installing ssoftware packages |
| 06:46.12 | dclarke | about 722 of them it seems |
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| 06:51.06 | lucas_ | im trying to reconfigure my packages with sudo dpkg-reconfigure -a and i get this error... http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/330020/ |
| 06:51.11 | lucas_ | please someone help me out |
| 06:51.12 | lucas_ | pleeease |
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| 06:52.24 | liable | is that ubuntu or debian? never seen that on a debian box |
| 06:52.38 | lucas_ | ubuntu |
| 06:52.50 | lucas_ | i dont know what to do |
| 06:52.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | ask #ubuntu |
| 06:53.03 | lucas_ | ive tried |
| 06:53.08 | lucas_ | but they dont know either |
| 06:53.58 | lucas_ | ok i guess neither you |
| 06:54.01 | lucas_ | thanks though |
| 06:54.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | try #ubuntu-es, since thats what the error is in |
| 06:54.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | oh, hes gone. |
| 06:56.10 | konbon | i must be on my way |
| 06:56.20 | konbon | Thanks again for the help :) |
| 06:56.26 | konbon | Have a good night everyone. |
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| 06:59.35 | dclarke | back in a while |
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| 07:07.43 | B4R74zy | plz go 2 http://sites.google.com/site/affiliateshope & click on ads |
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| 07:09.25 | WormFood | hhhmmm...can't seem to come up with an answer for this one...I'm testing dvdisaster's "Scan" feature, where it scans an entire CD/DVD. I always get an error when I run it as a user on my desktop, but it works fine on my laptop. Both users on both machines are members of the same groups. It works fine on my desktop when run as root. |
| 07:09.40 | tuv | a package fails to uninstall/purge due to an error: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 07:10.00 | tuv | how do i find out what is the error exactly, and how do actually uninstall it? |
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| 07:11.50 | WormFood | tuv, the script that runs before the removal script is executed is returning an error...look at that script |
| 07:12.43 | tuv | WormFood: where is it supposed to reside? |
| 07:13.03 | WormFood | not sure exactly where |
| 07:13.27 | WormFood | it comes from the deb package, but I expect it is stored on the hard drive |
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| 07:20.04 | nsadmin | the deb package? or the content? |
| 07:20.30 | nsadmin | oh, the maint scripts of installed packages |
| 07:20.46 | nsadmin | umm /var/lib/dpkg/info I think |
| 07:21.09 | nsadmin | yep bingo |
| 07:21.19 | WormFood | yeah, that is where I would expect them to be |
| 07:21.46 | WormFood | in theory, if that script is not important, then you could just delete it, but it may not be so simple (it may be called from other files, I don't know) |
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| 07:30.02 | zazuk | hi all, here is the error i am http://pastebin.com/d71e0a72c |
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| 07:33.44 | tuv | WormFood: btw, found it: /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package-name>.* |
| 07:34.07 | liable | ooh dear. are you half way through an upgrade or have you got mixed sources? why are you still on etch? |
| 07:34.14 | liable | zazuk: ^^ |
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| 07:35.43 | zazuk | i try to upgrade to etch |
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| 07:35.59 | liable | *to* etch? |
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| 07:36.11 | liable | !release notes |
| 07:36.11 | dpkg | lenny release notes is, like, at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
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| 07:36.25 | zazuk | thx liable |
| 07:36.31 | factor | how can I purge a package |
| 07:36.38 | factor | with unknown name |
| 07:36.44 | liable | hah |
| 07:36.52 | liable | wtf do you mean? |
| 07:36.56 | factor | adobe_flashplugin |
| 07:37.03 | factor | I dont have the deb file |
| 07:37.35 | liable | i think it just puts things in your ~/.adobe or something dir |
| 07:37.48 | liable | does whatever installer you used not have a remove option? |
| 07:39.46 | factor | it has borked up my system and wont install anything now |
| 07:39.53 | factor | how do I get ride of it |
| 07:40.03 | factor | remove does not work |
| 07:40.12 | liable | paste the error to a pastebin |
| 07:41.24 | factor | hold on |
| 07:41.51 | nsadmin | is there a javascript cli interpreter packaged? |
| 07:44.11 | nsadmin | factor: "does not work" does not work |
| 07:46.07 | WormFood | if you installed it as a user, just delete it from ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
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| 07:46.41 | WormFood | or /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins if installed systemwide |
| 07:47.03 | factor | that is what I did |
| 07:47.10 | factor | now its borking up and cant find the package |
| 07:47.17 | factor | saying it needs it for a package |
| 07:48.10 | KnuckOne | nsadmin: spidermonkey |
| 07:48.12 | WormFood | also maybe /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/plugins |
| 07:52.50 | factor | http://www.pastebin.com/d2fe2cf93 |
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| 07:55.32 | KnuckOne | factor: you can remove adobe_flashplugin ? |
| 07:55.39 | factor | it wont do it |
| 07:55.40 | KnuckOne | or does it generates some error too |
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| 07:56.08 | factor | just says it needs to be reinstalled |
| 07:56.13 | factor | when I do an apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin |
| 07:57.21 | factor | and then I do a apt-get install adobe-flashplugin and it get the same error as in the paste bin for everything |
| 07:57.51 | KnuckOne | yes because you're using some fancy package |
| 07:58.08 | factor | I just want it to go away |
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| 07:59.48 | KnuckOne | have you tried the nasty : dpkg -r --force-all adobe-flashplugin ? |
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| 08:00.50 | factor | will try let see |
| 08:03.27 | factor | nope |
| 08:03.39 | factor | i delete the link in /etc/alternates as well |
| 08:04.01 | factor | should I add that back |
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| 08:05.20 | babilen | factor: where did you find a package named 'adobe-flashplugin' ? |
| 08:05.45 | factor | dunno |
| 08:05.55 | babilen | o_O |
| 08:06.25 | babilen | factor: It just appeared out of nowhere, sleeps on the couch and is not going away? |
| 08:06.56 | factor | it got apropiated while install another package I guess |
| 08:08.08 | hark | it's from adobe.com, a package meant for ubuntu |
| 08:08.36 | babilen | ah, ok ... |
| 08:08.41 | babilen | factor: good luck |
| 08:08.46 | babilen | hark: morning |
| 08:08.57 | factor | ahh |
| 08:09.08 | factor | I just want it to go away |
| 08:09.16 | factor | might had to reinstall now |
| 08:09.25 | factor | can install anything because of it |
| 08:10.09 | hark | factor: pastebin dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq adobe-flashplugin |
| 08:11.06 | hark | i remember i helped someone quite sometime back with this, don't recall the fix |
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| 08:11.38 | factor | still not |
| 08:11.44 | hark | factor: also pastebin the prerm.. it'll be in /var/lib/dpkg/info/adobe*prerm |
| 08:12.41 | babilen | factor: paste the result of that command, so we can have a look at it |
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| 08:15.07 | factor | http://www.pastebin.com/m241ea97a |
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| 08:16.59 | factor | http://pastebin.com/m241ea97a |
| 08:17.09 | factor | does not work with the www for some reason |
| 08:17.46 | babilen | factor: also the output of 'dpkg -r --force-remove-reinstreq adobe-flashplugin' please |
| 08:18.09 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, i just got my cert signed by a CA (in this case Starfield) -- I had also just upgraded my box (new ssl fix), probably a bad idea, since I get this now: |
| 08:18.12 | mick_laptop | [error] SSL Library Error: 218595386 error:0D07803A:asn1 encoding routines:ASN1_ITEM_EX_D2I:nested asn1 error |
| 08:18.18 | mick_laptop | in my apache logs |
| 08:18.25 | factor | babilen:wel just says the same ting as above. |
| 08:18.39 | factor | in the first paste bin |
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| 08:18.49 | factor | errors out on adobe-flashplugin |
| 08:18.55 | mick_laptop | anyone know what it could be? do i need to regenerate my key and have it resigned? |
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| 08:19.08 | ccbbaa | good day/night |
| 08:19.36 | ccbbaa | how can one install skencil from sources ? |
| 08:19.36 | babilen | factor: first pastebin? |
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| 08:20.03 | factor | that is fine I will just reinstall |
| 08:20.09 | factor | its borked really good |
| 08:20.14 | factor | dpkg anyway |
| 08:20.15 | dpkg | factor: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 08:20.48 | fredl | Hmm, I have a working setup right now for my external network interface (dhcp), so that it ignores the dhcp server's DNS server. |
| 08:21.08 | fredl | (I want my local systems to use the caching DNS I have running here) |
| 08:21.15 | factor | its borked an I have a meeting in the morning. |
| 08:21.22 | babilen | factor: ok, your decision |
| 08:21.26 | factor | the system IU was just testing on a 5 gig hard drive 10 gig home. |
| 08:21.40 | factor | will move it to a sata hd since it will work once unborked |
| 08:21.44 | fredl | is there a way to make dhcpclient get the DNS from my ISP and put that somehow into my DNS config as the forwarding DNS? |
| 08:21.52 | factor | I am off to sleep |
| 08:22.57 | babilen | mick_laptop: you mean the certificate you got signed was created with the buggy openssl ? |
| 08:23.07 | hark | factor: http://blog.ixti.ru/archives/6 |
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| 08:24.33 | babilen | hark: great package ;-\ |
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| 08:25.17 | crow | Hi, why i cant create this "gpg --recv-key 0x97BB3B58 0x28BCB3E3" on a chroot debian lenny? it wont to write outside of chroot dir.. |
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| 08:26.34 | crow | Actualy it wont to write: gpg: fatal: can't create directory `/home/USER/.gnupg': No such file or directory ; but there isnt that user, /home/ is empty ; that user only exist on main installation.. |
| 08:26.55 | uwjesd | How can I free my mousecursor in the newest version of virtualBox control-click-drag does not appear to do it anymore? |
| 08:27.09 | hark | babilen: heh, don't know if it'll still leave anything behind, but without the pastebin this will have to do |
| 08:27.30 | babilen | hark: yep, and he decided not to solve it anyway |
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| 08:27.41 | El_Angelo | hi |
| 08:27.48 | babilen | crow: who do you execute that command as? |
| 08:27.54 | fredl | does Debian's named have dbus patches ? |
| 08:27.57 | El_Angelo | apt-get dist-upgrade has just borked grub |
| 08:28.05 | El_Angelo | i was running unstable |
| 08:28.14 | El_Angelo | i now get GRUB loading |
| 08:28.20 | El_Angelo | Welcome to GRUB |
| 08:28.26 | mick_laptop | babilen: i created my private key w/ the buggy ssl |
| 08:28.27 | El_Angelo | Entering rescue mode |
| 08:28.39 | El_Angelo | error: the symbol grub_gettext not found |
| 08:28.43 | El_Angelo | and then a prompt |
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| 08:28.47 | El_Angelo | that's it |
| 08:28.52 | El_Angelo | help doesn't work |
| 08:29.00 | mick_laptop | i see above it that it can't read my key (in the apache logs) |
| 08:29.14 | babilen | mick_laptop: that is unfortunate. But that incident was like one ago ... I guess you have to create a new one and have it signed |
| 08:29.34 | El_Angelo | anyone could help me with this? |
| 08:29.34 | mick_laptop | one ago? |
| 08:29.41 | crow | babilen, well i wanna to manual add key but that didnt worked, insteed this worked fine: apt-get install emdebian-archive-keyring |
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| 08:30.04 | babilen | !tell mick_laptop -about openssl vulnerability |
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| 08:30.13 | ccbbaa | ping |
| 08:30.16 | ccbbaa | ok |
| 08:30.38 | mick_laptop | babilen: i know that - that is why i upgraded |
| 08:30.42 | ccbbaa | why does #debian ban un-identified guests ?! |
| 08:30.53 | mick_laptop | ccbbaa: spam |
| 08:31.06 | babilen | mick_laptop: The wiki explains how to identify weak keys ... If your key is one of them, you have to create a new one. |
| 08:31.12 | ccbbaa | well you have successfully prevented me from logging in twice now |
| 08:31.15 | mick_laptop | ah ok |
| 08:31.37 | ccbbaa | so how does one installe skencil from source? |
| 08:31.49 | babilen | ccbbaa: why would you want to do that (re: skencil) |
| 08:32.05 | ccbbaa | because i'm on etch and there is a newer skencil with no .deb |
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| 08:32.16 | hark | El_Angelo: check the bts, you're running sid. it was a known issue |
| 08:32.30 | El_Angelo | bts? srd? |
| 08:32.37 | El_Angelo | those are riddles for me |
| 08:32.41 | El_Angelo | sid |
| 08:32.43 | El_Angelo | yes |
| 08:32.45 | hark | El_Angelo: bug tracking system |
| 08:32.48 | babilen | El_Angelo: And install apt-listbug and apt-listchanges |
| 08:32.50 | El_Angelo | i have seed one bug related |
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| 08:32.58 | El_Angelo | i can't even boot my system |
| 08:33.05 | El_Angelo | how am i supposed to install anythign? |
| 08:33.43 | babilen | El_Angelo: Boot from a live cd (grml, knoppix, debian live, ...) chroot into the system, fix the situation and reboot |
| 08:33.59 | El_Angelo | right |
| 08:34.01 | El_Angelo | sigh |
| 08:34.13 | El_Angelo | so far for userfriendliness... |
| 08:34.41 | babilen | El_Angelo: What is necessary to "fix the situation" depends on the error and your actions that lead to it. |
| 08:34.46 | ccbbaa | babilen: actually the reason I asked was, one cannot properly compile a lot of packages on debian, because the paths are borked and because of undesirable compiler messages which break configure |
| 08:35.18 | babilen | El_Angelo: I am not aware of the issue, as I do not run sid (luckily), but that is the way to deal with the issue |
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| 08:35.48 | babilen | El_Angelo: If you found a bug report on that issue it might contain the solution on how to fix it. |
| 08:36.02 | babilen | El_Angelo: What have you done before that error happened? |
| 08:36.11 | hark | El_Angelo: i found this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=558312 |
| 08:36.34 | El_Angelo | babilen: all i did was run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:36.34 | boodie | Hi; I have a long lasting pain in the neck. After I tried (unsuccessfully) to convince an evil little webcam to work, by using gspca, my audio card is not detected at boot. I then have to run 'alsaconf', and everything works again, until the next boot. Is there a workaround this problem? |
| 08:36.49 | El_Angelo | and yes i have found that bug report too... it doesn't seem to contain a solution |
| 08:36.52 | babilen | El_Angelo: and re:userfriendliness --> sid is *NOT* meant as the Debian release to be run bu the users. stable is and you would have *never* had such a problem with stable, trust me |
| 08:37.05 | babilen | El_Angelo: And you installed a buggy package |
| 08:37.16 | El_Angelo | me? |
| 08:37.25 | babilen | El_Angelo: selectively downgrade the packages in question |
| 08:37.34 | babilen | El_Angelo: yes *YOU* |
| 08:37.43 | El_Angelo | apt did |
| 08:37.44 | apt | i heard did is Direct Inward Dialing, or just a phone number |
| 08:37.49 | factor | hark:by the way comment out the VARIANTS var in the perm file and it worked |
| 08:37.51 | factor | hark:thanks |
| 08:38.11 | babilen | El_Angelo: you ran aptitude dist-upgrade, you decided to install the packages, and you have the issues that resulted from your actions now |
| 08:38.52 | babilen | El_Angelo: As i said, boot a live CD, chroot into the system and fix the issue. I guess downgrading some packages to the former version might work.. |
| 08:39.03 | El_Angelo | yeah yeah |
| 08:39.04 | El_Angelo | pfft |
| 08:39.12 | El_Angelo | i don't know how to downgrade |
| 08:39.16 | El_Angelo | i have no cdrom |
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| 08:39.41 | El_Angelo | i could as well just remove debian and install lunar again |
| 08:39.55 | El_Angelo | at least there i know my way around |
| 08:40.25 | babilen | El_Angelo: Why are you running sid then? I don't know how to help you. If you don't know how to downgrade come here after you chrooted and there might be somebody that explains to you how to do that... |
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| 08:40.44 | El_Angelo | cause i like living on the edge |
| 08:40.56 | El_Angelo | just everynow and then it's slightly inconvenient ;) |
| 08:40.59 | babilen | El_Angelo: And you have just fallen off ... |
| 08:41.04 | El_Angelo | yep |
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| 08:41.17 | El_Angelo | i'm just grumpy |
| 08:41.19 | zazuk | pkg giving me an error, here is the link for pastebin http://pastebin.com/d57c2d7fb |
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| 08:41.50 | babilen | remember : stable == rock solid! need newer packages ? stable + backports |
| 08:41.57 | El_Angelo | downloading unetbootin |
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| 08:42.28 | babilen | if you absolutely need to run testing/sid you should at least install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
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| 08:43.13 | El_Angelo | never heard of those |
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| 08:43.19 | zazuk | any ideas? |
| 08:43.22 | El_Angelo | but i will |
| 08:44.08 | uwjesd | Is there a Software that lets me run Programms in a slower resolution. Like X in X. |
| 08:44.29 | babilen | El_Angelo: You should really be comfortable with the inner workings off Debian before you start thinking about running sid ... |
| 08:44.59 | El_Angelo | babilen: i disagree |
| 08:45.12 | KnuckOne | !tell uwjesd -about xnest |
| 08:45.16 | babilen | El_Angelo: ok |
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| 08:49.38 | jelly-home | !unstable |
| 08:49.39 | dpkg | [unstable] The status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See also <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq>, <apt-listbugs>, <apt-listchanges>, <bts>. |
| 08:49.52 | fredl | is there a way to dynamically configure forwarding DNS servers when a DHCP interface is configured? |
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| 08:51.50 | jelly-home | fredl: do you want to change what the dhcp server just gave you, or...? |
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| 08:52.25 | mdeonte | Hello, i need to know what this screenshot is of https://monteledwards.com/tun/browse.php?u=Oi8vc21vdWNoLm5ldC9sb2wv&b=5&f=norefer |
| 08:53.15 | fredl | jelly-home: I run a caching DNS in my net but I'd like the DHCP supplied DNS servers to be used as fwd'ing DNS servers for bind |
| 08:53.37 | fredl | it looks like that may be possible using the resolvconf pkg |
| 08:53.48 | jelly-home | correct |
| 08:53.57 | jelly-home | with pdnsd, it "just works" |
| 08:54.16 | fredl | pdnsd? is that an alternative to bind9 ? |
| 08:54.30 | fredl | or an addition? |
| 08:54.37 | jelly-home | not really, only if you're using bind in really simple ways |
| 08:55.45 | fredl | I also read there's a pretty old redhat patch to add fwd'ing dns servers to bind9 through dbus, is that built in debian's bind9 to your knowledge? |
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| 08:56.09 | jelly-home | I haven't touched bind in a long time. |
| 08:56.39 | fredl | so you removed bind9, installed resolvconf and pdnsd and it "just works" ? |
| 08:57.31 | jelly-home | no, I never used bind at home |
| 08:58.02 | fredl | hmm, ok thanks I'll go check into it. |
| 08:59.19 | jelly-home | I meant the interaction of dhcp client and pdnsd "just works", as in, resolvconf makes it work. I don't suggest actually using pdnsd, it's a bit crappy. |
| 08:59.46 | fredl | ah ok |
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| 09:01.07 | jelly-home | I've no idea whether bind9 package has resolvconf hooks of the sort you want. |
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| 09:03.49 | fredl | time to check it out :-) |
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| 09:17.58 | Strifariz | Morning, I've recently got a new deployment of debian and i'm having some issues as almost every package I attempt to install is reported broken (I've done the good old fashioned aptitude update beforehand of course). the sources.list only have the two default repositories listed as well...any suggestions on how to go about this? |
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| 09:19.25 | fredl | tricky pkg that resolvconf... |
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| 09:20.08 | Strifariz | huh? |
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| 09:22.30 | fredl | huh? |
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| 09:26.33 | simonrvn | /nick ICantMakeUpMyMind |
| 09:26.37 | simonrvn | :P |
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| 09:32.33 | El_Angelo | how can i prevent a package from upgrading? |
| 09:32.57 | privatix | how can i check if the current kernels in lenny have loop-aes modules built in or must i install module assistant to install for me? |
| 09:33.43 | cahoot | privatix: the kernel in question is installed? |
| 09:33.55 | naiv | hey, after copying a directory with cp -R from ext3 to ext3, du -s doesn't match exactly, and after a rsync, du -s gives the same values. is it normal ? |
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| 09:34.45 | [jasper] | hej guys, is it possible to run multiple debians under one debian system |
| 09:34.51 | [jasper] | like virtualisation only for debian? |
| 09:34.55 | [jasper] | chrooted or something |
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| 09:35.17 | privatix | cahoot: the present kernel is 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 09:36.09 | cahoot | privatix: the kernel config should be present in /boot |
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| 09:38.42 | privatix | cahoot: ok i have that open what line am i loking for something with loop-aes in it? |
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| 09:39.19 | cahoot | privatix: something like grep -i aes /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 09:40.31 | KnuckOne | !tell [jasper] -about debootstrap |
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| 09:45.04 | privatix | cahoot: ok these are the listings: CONFIG_RADIO_MAESTRO=m, CONFIG_SND_MAESTRO3=m, CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES=m, CONFIG_CRYPTO_AES_586=m, CONFIG_CRYPTO_DEV_PADLOCK_AES=m |
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| 09:47.00 | runningaim | hi. i am playing around with ssh and trying to use a scanner connected on the other computer on the network. i try and run xsane through the terminal but i get the error "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: " any ideas why this happens..in a google search it mentions something about the .Xauthority but i havent understood it |
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| 09:47.45 | privatix | cahoot: does AES refer loop-aes? |
| 09:48.28 | cahoot | privatix: no idea - was just pointing to how to figure out what's enabled in the kernel |
| 09:48.28 | liable | runningaim: because you are running it as root |
| 09:48.32 | liable | !xauth |
| 09:48.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, xauth is the mechanism for sharing around authorisation for clients to connect to your X server. Ask me about <mit-magic-cookie> for more information. The xauth program is in the xbase-clients package (sarge and etch) or in the xauth package from lenny onwards. See also http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/workshops/cool_unix/xauth.html or ask me about <sshx>. |
| 09:48.43 | liable | bleh |
| 09:48.49 | liable | that wasn't helpfull |
| 09:49.14 | KnuckOne | !sshx |
| 09:49.14 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (lenny) or xbase-clients (etch) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 09:49.56 | privatix | cahoot: thanks |
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| 09:50.23 | runningaim | liable: thanx for the answer but i am not running it as soor |
| 09:50.24 | runningaim | root |
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| 09:50.43 | runningaim | KnuckOne: than you i will take a look at that |
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| 09:55.45 | fredl | hmm in the default configuration resolvconf overwrites my /etc/resolv.conf |
| 09:55.47 | fredl | blah |
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| 09:56.18 | Moomoc | Hi |
| 09:56.23 | fredl | Hi |
| 09:57.01 | JyZyXEL | how do you make a popularity based apt-cache search |
| 09:57.12 | liable | what? |
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| 09:57.41 | JyZyXEL | so the order of the results is sorted based on popularity |
| 09:57.52 | liable | runningaim: so your running xsane as a user? doesn't it need root privelages? |
| 09:58.01 | liable | you cant |
| 09:58.11 | JyZyXEL | you most certainly can |
| 09:58.21 | liable | how would apt-cache know that? |
| 09:58.36 | liable | tell me all about it then |
| 09:58.36 | JyZyXEL | ara will |
| 09:58.47 | danisahne | good morning how to manage kvm with virt-manager? i just can manage qemu but qemu is too slow |
| 09:58.57 | liable | whats ara? |
| 09:59.02 | JyZyXEL | !ara |
| 09:59.12 | danisahne | i have no choice to choose full virt |
| 09:59.34 | danisahne | like done in the tutorial |
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| 10:01.50 | runningaim | liable: ok..lets say that it needs to be run with root priviledges..what should i do? |
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| 10:02.39 | liable | hmm, i forget the name of those programs.. |
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| 10:02.45 | danisahne | http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/04/14/virtualization-with-virt-manager-and-kvm-in-ubuntu-804/ <- in point 7 its says choose kernel acceleration but its not shown |
| 10:02.46 | liable | !kdesu |
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| 10:04.17 | liable | damn, my brain is really failing me right now.. |
| 10:04.29 | liable | gksu is one iirc |
| 10:04.35 | liable | !gksu |
| 10:04.35 | dpkg | somebody said gksu was a graphical interface for running X apps as another user such as root. aptitude install gksu. If you have set your machine up with sudo to allow you to run any command you want, then you can make gksu use "sudo" mode all the time by running "gconftool-2 -t bool -s /apps/gksu/sudo-mode". Also ask me about <sux>. |
| 10:04.52 | liable | ah, yes, and sux, theres also a kde one |
| 10:04.56 | liable | runningaim: ^^ |
| 10:05.34 | runningaim | liable: ok i will try it |
| 10:05.38 | runningaim | liable: thank you |
| 10:05.45 | liable | no worries |
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| 10:05.53 | Strifariz | !aptitude |
| 10:05.54 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
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| 10:06.47 | runningaim | liable: is sudo not the same as su? |
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| 10:07.06 | liable | runningaim: either wont work in x |
| 10:07.19 | liable | for a graphical program.. |
| 10:07.26 | runningaim | ok |
| 10:07.35 | internat | and no they are not the same. |
| 10:08.00 | farri | I am trying to set up a ssh vpn using openvpn and I need some help, is someone experienced in this matter? I have problems with the config file to set up the connection |
| 10:08.08 | runningaim | internat: the difference being? |
| 10:08.21 | internat | umm quite extensive. |
| 10:08.26 | runningaim | :) |
| 10:08.33 | internat | su <username> will change to username by suppying <usernames> password |
| 10:08.50 | internat | sudo will execut a command as root, by supplying your own password |
| 10:09.00 | internat | assuming that you have the correc tprivligdges in /etc/sudoers |
| 10:09.10 | runningaim | aha |
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| 10:09.25 | runningaim | ok..thanx for the explaination |
| 10:09.30 | internat | np :) |
| 10:09.50 | internat | its a bit more detailed then that, but thats a high level view of it :) |
| 10:09.57 | runningaim | ok |
| 10:10.13 | runningaim | good to learn new things :0 |
| 10:10.37 | yancho | via ssh i cannot login as root right? but how can i automate a shutdown if i need to be root? i need this process to be called from another .sh script on another ubuntu box? til now i can login to bash with keys |
| 10:10.52 | babilen | !ubuntu |
| 10:10.52 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 10:11.35 | firefox_ | so would anyone be able to tell my why iceweasel when playing flash videos makes the whole system choppy? |
| 10:11.58 | mick_laptop | hi everyone, i'm having a hard time getting my ssl cert to work (it is driving me nuts) |
| 10:12.00 | liable | because flash is retarded |
| 10:12.09 | babilen | firefox_: because the flash plugin is a piece of shit |
| 10:12.11 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps whats a good dvd authoring softwre ? |
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| 10:12.20 | bbelt16ag | something i dont gotta use the cli on |
| 10:12.31 | firefox_ | any way around it? alternate? |
| 10:12.37 | mick_laptop | I've written up what I'm doing and what the error log says here: http://pastie.org/717967 -- I'd appreciate it if someone has a second to take a look at what might be happening |
| 10:12.55 | babilen | !tell firefox_ -about flash |
| 10:13.07 | bbelt16ag | i can just select my mpeg files and let it make the menus and such? |
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| 10:13.41 | mick_laptop | i think the problem starts after i create the private key (i call it apache.pem) -- i do this to verify and it fails to load the cert: openssl x509 -noout -text -in apache.pem |
| 10:14.46 | firefox_ | think I will be able to stumble videos with gnash? it gave me problems a while back. |
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| 10:15.13 | mick_laptop | exact error is: no start line:pem_lib.c:647:Expecting: TRUSTED CERTIFICATE |
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| 10:15.20 | naiv | after copyiing a directory with cp -R on the same partition, the size of source and dest, given by du -s differs, is it normal ? |
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| 10:17.40 | macrobat | firefox_: there are for example javascripts you can run with greasemonkey to watch you tube in the mp4 format, i cant find it right now. another way is to download and convert flv to something else |
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| 10:18.07 | vogdan | !screen |
| 10:18.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. "aptitude install screen". See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and also ask me about <screen tutorial>. http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net. |
| 10:19.54 | yancho | babilen, im issuing the command from ubuntu but the box which needs to be shut down is debian |
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| 10:21.12 | babilen | yancho: alright .. just because you said 'another ubuntu box' |
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| 10:24.46 | fredl | hmm the resolvconf looks pretty useless to me. |
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| 10:25.31 | fredl | I guess it'll work nicely with dnsmasq or pdns |
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| 10:26.03 | firefox_ | Macrobat, I'll check that out |
| 10:26.05 | fredl | but it doesn't appear to have any hooks for bind |
| 10:26.53 | naiv | is it safe to run a local rsync over 300Go ? |
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| 10:29.45 | fredl | Hmmm, resolvconf *should* work since there's an /etc/resolvconf/update.d/bind |
| 10:29.53 | macrobat | firefox_: look for flash mp4 and stuff on userscripts.org |
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| 10:30.27 | BenBE4 | Could anyone here have a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=556922 ??? |
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| 10:31.31 | pandrew | hey guys! i have a usb camera that acts as mass storage. it reports it size to the kernel NOT based on the actual hardware size, but based on the fat32 filesystem size on it. The problem is that for some reason it always reports less then the actual filesystem size. So i get this weird effect that after each reformat (mkfs.vfat) i get about 500 mb less of space. This is not a problem since i can reformat the card to orinigal capacity in another viewer. The thi |
| 10:31.57 | pandrew | shorter version - is there a tool to manually mark bad sectors in a fat32 filesystem? |
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| 10:37.33 | pomp1 | I cannot realize why launching the command xmodmap -e 'keycode 32 = o O omacron Omacron oslash Oslash' I don't have, pressing AltGr+o an Š(o whith macron) in response, anybody can help? |
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| 10:40.56 | fredl | *ugh* resolvconf assumes /var/cache/bind |
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| 10:44.39 | Moomoc | Hello again |
| 10:44.45 | fredl | Hello |
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| 10:45.58 | marcin | Hi, is it possible to get ulimit value of running process? |
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| 10:46.22 | Moomoc | I'm currently trying to install debian on a one netbook. My problem is, that I can't activate USB-Boot and this netbook hasn't got a cdrom-drive. So I tried to install it via windows. Installer loads successfully, but then it needs a disk. Is there a way to say the installer, that he could use my usb-drive? (is a iso from debian-cd1 stable on it) |
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| 10:46.40 | Moomoc | or maybe has someone else a better solution |
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| 10:54.50 | janimati | hello |
| 10:55.04 | macrobat | o/ |
| 10:55.06 | fredl | hello |
| 10:55.21 | janimati | where i can download debain squeezee |
| 10:56.02 | macrobat | janimati: typically you install a minimal lenny and upgrade it |
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| 10:56.48 | janimati | i cant lenny dont use my wi fi card on my Laptop( notebok) |
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| 11:03.07 | macrobat | bah, www.debian.org is too hard to navigate :( |
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| 11:04.04 | macrobat | janimati: maybe you can get a cat5 cable? |
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| 11:04.18 | janimati | only wi-fi |
| 11:04.20 | janimati | :D |
| 11:04.46 | macrobat | you have no ip connector on the laptop? :D |
| 11:05.03 | janimati | yyyy |
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| 11:05.14 | janimati | cable rj45? |
| 11:05.20 | janimati | ups |
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| 11:06.15 | macrobat | yes rj45 is the plug |
| 11:06.32 | liable | macrobat: i hate the layout of debian.org, can never find what i want.. |
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| 11:06.49 | macrobat | i hate that layout also |
| 11:06.50 | liable | but i dunno how to improve it either |
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| 11:07.39 | macrobat | people looking for a debian install cd don't know where to find it :) |
| 11:07.54 | macrobat | and the search function? haha! |
| 11:08.02 | pheaver | i totally agree |
| 11:08.17 | liable | especially for the testing ones |
| 11:08.29 | liable | dailies.. |
| 11:08.32 | pheaver | i always have a hard time finding what i want, it makes me feel inferior :) |
| 11:08.32 | macrobat | i guess the site and the layout is quite old |
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| 11:09.37 | liable | so it makes sense to the site admins and noone else :) |
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| 11:15.59 | janimati | shit next fucking debian cant instal in graohical mode |
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| 11:17.35 | liable | mother fucker! |
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| 11:18.06 | janimati | ? |
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| 11:18.40 | liable | just trying to get into the spirit.. |
| 11:19.23 | janimati | cmap-> visual -> depth' failed |
| 11:19.33 | janimati | what is tahat i dfebian instaler |
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| 11:25.40 | nsadmin | janimati: seriously dude... this is just the -installer-... if graphic mode doesn't work, use text mode |
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| 11:26.19 | liable | noooo! oh, the humanity! |
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| 11:26.56 | nsadmin | liable it's the textuality of humanity... |
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| 11:27.25 | liable | are you calling me gay? ;) |
| 11:27.41 | phidah | My linux skills are a bit rusty... How is it that I open a connection to another computer on a given port, for example to do a manual HTTP request? |
| 11:27.42 | nsadmin | where the hell did that come from?! |
| 11:28.11 | nkuttler | phidah: telnet? |
| 11:28.18 | nsadmin | phidah try telnet <addr> <port> (man telnet for details) |
| 11:28.20 | liable | hah, you dont want to know |
| 11:28.34 | liable | i'm in one of those moods tonight :) |
| 11:28.47 | nsadmin | liable was gnaa here earlier or something? :) |
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| 11:28.49 | superlinux | salaam. I am looking for any available arab guy i want to ask something related to the arabic language typing in linux. arab channels are not responding |
| 11:28.56 | fredl | a 'bit' rusty? |
| 11:29.07 | nsadmin | rusty bits! |
| 11:29.18 | liable | nsadmin: heh, haven't seen them troll here for quite some time actually.. |
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| 11:30.56 | phidah | ah, thanks... totally slipped my mind :P thanks |
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| 11:36.26 | knubbze | hi, why's RTLD_GLOBAL not implemented into Debian; and why is that not documented |
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| 11:37.31 | liable | knubbze: glad to see you have calmed down. your best bet is to file a bug against the offending package. we are just users here. |
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| 11:40.04 | knubbze | liable: there are already tons of bug reports regarding this |
| 11:40.15 | knubbze | I just cannot understand exactly why you're doing this |
| 11:40.22 | liable | knubbze: and no decent answers? |
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| 11:40.50 | liable | knubbze: you could try and incite a flamefest on the d-devel mailing list i guess :) |
| 11:41.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | liable: naughty naughty :) |
| 11:41.18 | liable | spanks himself |
| 11:41.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | hehe |
| 11:41.26 | knubbze | At least none that explain why exactly Debian _pretends_ to be POSIX conform in that respect |
| 11:41.41 | janimati | i need graphical mode instalation for deeian squeeze fucking wi-fi |
| 11:41.41 | knubbze | I mean if it just said `lol hy we don't have RTLD_GLOBAL' |
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| 11:42.16 | liable | knubbze: but really, its the DD that packages it that you need to ask why. we can only speculate here as we don't know why he doesn't implement it. |
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| 11:43.07 | liable | janimati: why do you need graphical mode for wifi? |
| 11:43.18 | liable | it won't help any.. |
| 11:43.43 | janimati | becaus i thinh on grapical mode i ant seee al wi-fi conectios all networks |
| 11:44.35 | liable | janimati: don't you know the network name you want to connect to? |
| 11:45.30 | liable | this is annoying i know, because netcfg will connect to an open network without asking if one is available |
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| 11:46.19 | janimati | i dn remmbrthat nae btwhn wrteheaskingfor e y u i useonlyama ateriation |
| 11:46.25 | janimati | sh |
| 11:46.29 | liable | huh? |
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| 11:46.40 | liable | can you rephrase that in english? |
| 11:46.48 | liable | even engrish would do :P |
| 11:47.14 | janimati | i forget the name i remember hee names pentagram but h asking for weep key but i use only a mac autherisation |
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| 11:47.41 | liable | janimati: so just leave the wep key bit empty and hit enter |
| 11:47.59 | janimati | i do and he cant connect |
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| 11:48.24 | liable | go back to reconfigure wireless, and type in the AP name, then try again |
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| 11:49.19 | do0ob | hi |
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| 11:49.45 | do0ob | does anyone know how to disable NCQ(sdb) with a boot option in grub? |
| 11:50.23 | halc_ | fuck the fucking router crash |
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| 11:51.04 | liable | bloody fucking cunt |
| 11:51.27 | do0ob | ... |
| 11:51.33 | liable | looks around nervously for ops |
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| 11:54.05 | do0ob | are issues with intel and ncq in linux a known issue, my second hdd freaks out when i try to use it |
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| 11:55.06 | do0ob | brb |
| 11:55.07 | liable | do0ob: i'd reckon you would want to ask on the mailing list for disk drivers about that. |
| 11:55.15 | liable | meh |
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| 11:55.42 | do0ob | just saw that before the window closed |
| 11:55.43 | liable | do0ob: i'd reckon you would want to ask on the kernel mailing list for disk drivers about that. |
| 11:55.48 | do0ob | ah |
| 11:56.22 | liable | not sure which list, but it seems pretty likely its a buggy intel driver |
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| 11:56.46 | liable | and of course they will make you compile a new kernel :) |
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| 11:58.22 | arcsky | Ist possible to change root passwd without reboot with physical access with a live cd or so? |
| 11:58.38 | liable | arcsky: do you know the old one? |
| 11:58.39 | maligor | yes |
| 11:58.53 | arcsky | liable: lets say, no |
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| 11:59.00 | liable | arcsky: then no |
| 11:59.10 | maligor | oh.. misread |
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| 11:59.14 | arcsky | ok |
| 11:59.16 | maligor | yeah, it's not possible, heh |
| 11:59.39 | maligor | not unless you have sudo setup |
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| 11:59.43 | maligor | or a root hole |
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| 12:02.22 | do0ob | brb for real this time |
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| 12:04.06 | umarzuki | hi, i tried to run build-dep smc on lenny with sid source repo enabled but instead i got "Build-Depends dependency for smc cannot be satisfied". What should i do next? |
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| 12:14.24 | mmu_screen | plop |
| 12:15.12 | liable | *wipe* |
| 12:15.20 | mmu_screen | any difference between ddrescue and gddrescue beside maybe the licence and the holiness ? :D |
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| 12:15.38 | mbruins | moin, is there something like 'boot: linux rescue nomount' for debian? |
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| 12:17.26 | simonrvn | you mean booting with -b ? |
| 12:17.53 | simonrvn | such strange jargon you speak |
| 12:18.10 | mbruins | not sure i need to do a e2fsck with fixes but im not sure howto get my whole filesystem unmounted and then run it |
| 12:18.13 | mbruins | simonrvn: sorry its from centos |
| 12:18.35 | nsadmin | simonrvn: he wants to type "linux rescue nomount" at the "boot:" prompt |
| 12:18.42 | mbruins | nsadmin: correct |
| 12:18.45 | nsadmin | old lilo thing |
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| 12:19.18 | simonrvn | i understood that.. oooh ok. i'm a ppc head mostly still |
| 12:19.26 | liable | hippies |
| 12:20.31 | nsadmin | mbruins: one part, mostly debian is using grub legacy, and coming up to grub 2 as it gets more tested under debian (or whatever reason the grub maint may have for trying to get grub2 mainstreamed) |
| 12:21.08 | simonrvn | because it works good, and not just x86 ;p |
| 12:21.19 | simonrvn | (still needs work though) |
| 12:21.38 | liable | tis broken atm too |
| 12:21.41 | mbruins | thats great to hear but is there something comparable i can use for this situation?? |
| 12:21.42 | simonrvn | liable: hippy? such language! |
| 12:21.46 | simonrvn | :P |
| 12:22.13 | nsadmin | hip... hmm, these days, you juast say ass |
| 12:22.23 | nsadmin | so you're really talking about assies? |
| 12:22.30 | liable | you old school lilo users! |
| 12:22.30 | simonrvn | like i said, if nomount is what i think it means, you'd boot with the -b arg |
| 12:22.37 | liable | assies? |
| 12:22.44 | mbruins | simonrvn: ok thanks |
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| 12:22.54 | simonrvn | that won't mount anything |
| 12:22.57 | nsadmin | assies, hippies... thts not the same thign? |
| 12:23.13 | simonrvn | it'll stop way at the beginning, right near where init kicks in |
| 12:23.17 | liable | you been drinking? |
| 12:23.19 | mbruins | assies is marijuana here ;x |
| 12:23.43 | liable | 'cause your typing sucks! :P |
| 12:23.43 | mbruins | simonrvn: good thats what im looking for! |
| 12:23.48 | nsadmin | liable: yeah,,, just had coffee |
| 12:24.07 | simonrvn | mbruins: just make sure it's the last arg |
| 12:24.20 | mbruins | simonrvn: yes i understand |
| 12:24.28 | nsadmin | what does that do exactly? |
| 12:24.31 | mmu_screen | hmm so... |
| 12:24.41 | mmu_screen | < mmu_screen> any difference between ddrescue and gddrescue beside maybe the licence and the holiness ? :D |
| 12:25.24 | liable | what does apt-cache say about the two? |
| 12:25.30 | simonrvn | grub loads, then load initrd if any, runs that stuff, then runs init but it stops there. so there's no rcS run (except maybe a few very basic startup scripts) |
| 12:25.43 | simonrvn | s,grub,bootloader, |
| 12:26.12 | simonrvn | comes in damned handy sometimes when you can't stick the thing into another box |
| 12:26.37 | nsadmin | so does it mount /? |
| 12:26.47 | simonrvn | no |
| 12:27.07 | nsadmin | ahh, so is that before it pivots the ramdisk root? |
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| 12:27.16 | simonrvn | you get a basic shell, no job control |
| 12:27.30 | nsadmin | that comes out of the initrd? |
| 12:27.42 | simonrvn | doesn't matter if there's an initrd or not |
| 12:27.49 | mmu_screen | < mmu_screen> any difference between ddrescue and gddrescue beside maybe the licence and the holiness ? :D |
| 12:28.01 | mmu_screen | er, bad paste |
| 12:28.22 | nsadmin | mmu_screen: at least it was one line... but why the repeat? |
| 12:28.26 | mmu_screen | terminal doesn't want to copy from aptitude when its checking for mouse... |
| 12:28.44 | mmu_screen | nsadmin: ^^ bad paste :p |
| 12:29.36 | mmu_screen | both are supposed to copy data like dd and try harder... no word about what differentiate teh other |
| 12:29.46 | nsadmin | g |
| 12:29.57 | simonrvn | that -b option is one of the more obscure ones... saw it on a mailing list a long time ago. |
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| 12:30.08 | mmu_screen | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gddrescue vs http://packages.debian.org/lenny/ddrescue |
| 12:30.25 | nsadmin | the difference is: g |
| 12:30.48 | nsadmin | maybe one has a gui |
| 12:30.51 | mmu_screen | <troll> usually GNU tools have more options but are more buggy than the originals, so... </troll> |
| 12:31.32 | mmu_screen | nsadmin: doesn't look like it, no dependancy on any toolkit |
| 12:31.32 | simonrvn | nah, not a troll, has some merit. adding the options sometimes introduces bugs. |
| 12:31.41 | nsadmin | <response>maybe you'd prefer an OS with non-gnu base userland...</response> |
| 12:32.08 | mmu_screen | Debian/FreeBSD ? (not Debian/GNU/kFreeBSD!) |
| 12:32.22 | mmu_screen | anyway, let's see both I guess |
| 12:32.28 | simonrvn | have fun porting |
| 12:33.05 | nsadmin | that would be interesting... but gcc is going to be very difficult to get away from, as it's been the kernel compiler for so long |
| 12:33.15 | mmu_screen | yeah well I already have enough work porting stuff to Haiku |
| 12:33.18 | simonrvn | (wouldn't be too hard though, most of it is already done) |
| 12:33.30 | mmu_screen | pcc :p |
| 12:33.45 | simonrvn | mm yeh, good point |
| 12:33.45 | nsadmin | if you want to have an OS that used to be called gnu/linux that you want to call linux |
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| 12:33.55 | mmu_screen | http://bellard.org/tcc/ :D |
| 12:34.20 | nsadmin | those compile latest kernels properly? |
| 12:35.07 | simonrvn | fbsd's cc and debian packages.. would be interesting to see. |
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| 12:35.52 | mmu_screen | wow tcc is still maintained... hmm I didn't recall it could be used as script interpretor |
| 12:35.56 | nsadmin | it's pretty obvious that debian and esp. debian legal find fsf/gnu to be weird enough to want distance from |
| 12:36.01 | simonrvn | s,or,er, |
| 12:36.12 | simonrvn | nsadmin: fuck yeh |
| 12:36.33 | nsadmin | the weirdness has shifted too... |
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| 12:37.09 | nsadmin | but let's not forget that Stallman's original effort got us this far |
| 12:37.59 | nsadmin | even if he is perhaps overzealous when it comes to advancing his agenda |
| 12:38.12 | simonrvn | sometimes takes eccentics with a sense of freedom to get the ball going |
| 12:38.36 | simonrvn | (and liberty) |
| 12:38.54 | nsadmin | yep, and at least in the US there are a lot of forces -- especially now -- that want to stop that ball |
| 12:39.13 | simonrvn | too late now. not just the u.s. either. |
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| 12:39.58 | simonrvn | they're trying damned hard though. but like i said, too late ;). cat's outta the bag. |
| 12:40.21 | nsadmin | judging by at minimum how scientology cleaned up that breach of their inner material outside the country, it's never too late |
| 12:40.38 | mmu_screen | some ppl are pushing for RMS to get a nobel... |
| 12:40.41 | nsadmin | or too much geographical distance |
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| 12:41.01 | nsadmin | he probably should get one |
| 12:41.21 | simonrvn | what? people know now. how could they possibly stop it? ;) |
| 12:42.20 | simonrvn | xenu xenu snapping of clams sound xenu xenu. eat my dust scientology. |
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| 12:43.35 | codingrobot | is there a way to request ip from the dhcp srv when the network cable is attached (without using networkmanager or other gui crap)? |
| 12:44.09 | simonrvn | of course. |
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| 12:44.14 | cahoot | dhclient eth0? |
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| 12:44.24 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 12:46.04 | nsadmin | simonrvn: scientology's approach toward removing all their "stolen" material from the internet can be compared to "genocide on all cats" |
| 12:46.29 | codingrobot | simonrvn: automatically! |
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| 12:47.44 | simonrvn | nsadmin: i'm aware of how they work. |
| 12:48.23 | nsadmin | the only point I'm trying to make is probably not good to assume the war is done, so destroy all the guns and stop looking in the direction of those who want to take that freedom |
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| 12:49.08 | simonrvn | nsadmin: ooh, no no, i'm quite aware of it. there's been some battles won and lost, but i'm very aware of that. |
| 12:49.34 | simonrvn | didn't mean to come across that way. |
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| 12:49.58 | nsadmin | codingrobot probably you'd need a way for the net card to sense when a cable with something on the other end (i.e., active link) gets plugged into eth port |
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| 12:50.34 | nsadmin | microsoft isn't going to stop, period... |
| 12:50.44 | d1b | nsadmin: mm? |
| 12:50.57 | simonrvn | until it really crashes and burns |
| 12:50.59 | nsadmin | as long as they got money... they're gonna try stuff :) |
| 12:51.28 | simonrvn | the bigger they are, the hard they fall |
| 12:51.32 | simonrvn | harder* |
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| 12:51.43 | Slash[GnR] | hi... im getting low wireless signals even if im close to the ap... anybody know what could be the reason? |
| 12:51.45 | d1b | simonrvn: + nsadmin what a random convo you are having... |
| 12:51.54 | d1b | microsoft isn't giong any where fast. |
| 12:51.57 | d1b | going* |
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| 12:52.37 | nsadmin | yeah, pretty random... and I'm gonna hold off for now, there's real trafic now |
| 12:52.56 | simonrvn | #d-ot |
| 12:53.00 | echosystm | anyone got a rough idea when the next debian will be out? |
| 12:53.07 | simonrvn | !WIR |
| 12:53.07 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 12:53.08 | d1b | echosystm: some time next year. |
| 12:53.15 | d1b | simonrvn: is that still the case tho ? |
| 12:53.25 | echosystm | bummer |
| 12:53.28 | simonrvn | d1b: what is? |
| 12:53.34 | d1b | because i thought there was a move /switch towards more time based releases. |
| 12:53.52 | nsadmin | that's been tried |
| 12:53.52 | internat | what is the next codename? |
| 12:53.54 | echosystm | well can someone recommend a distro similar to debian that is a bit more up to date, but still as pure? |
| 12:53.56 | nsadmin | it doesn't really work |
| 12:53.58 | echosystm | i hate ubuntu |
| 12:54.01 | hoxu | internat, squeeze |
| 12:54.10 | hoxu | uh |
| 12:54.13 | d1b | squeeze. |
| 12:54.16 | internat | ta |
| 12:54.19 | d1b | echosystm: nope :) |
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| 12:54.32 | echosystm | i dont want to run non-stable debian |
| 12:54.33 | nsadmin | echosystm: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 12:54.48 | echosystm | well, too many things i want are out of date in debian |
| 12:54.57 | d1b | echosystm: so run testing ? |
| 12:54.58 | nsadmin | "out of date", |
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| 12:55.07 | echosystm | out of date or non existent |
| 12:55.08 | echosystm | :P |
| 12:55.13 | simonrvn | d1b: there was/is. i'm not really keeping track except being angry about it. |
| 12:55.15 | codingrobot | echosystm: get testing or even unstable when you want to be up-to-date |
| 12:55.21 | nsadmin | what you need to do then, is make a list of all the things you consider out of date and see if it |
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| 12:55.32 | nsadmin | works still as it is |
| 12:55.48 | d1b | simonrvn: well is it going ahead ? or not... |
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| 12:55.54 | echosystm | well, my needs are really quite simple |
| 12:56.02 | simonrvn | last i heard, it was |
| 12:56.12 | d1b | echosystm: backports are usually enough. |
| 12:56.13 | echosystm | the only things frustrating me is needing to use a backported kernel (huge issue for me) |
| 12:56.21 | d1b | echosystm: why..? |
| 12:56.35 | nsadmin | why is that so huge? |
| 12:56.50 | liable | go use ubuntu then. really, there isnt much point just whining about it. debian is what it is.. |
| 12:56.51 | nsadmin | lots of people compile their own kernels anyway |
| 12:57.00 | echosystm | after i start runing a backported kernel it seems pretty temperamental |
| 12:57.09 | echosystm | things dont compile properly, etc. |
| 12:57.17 | nsadmin | why? |
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| 12:57.32 | echosystm | i dont know why, i just saw problems and didnt have time to investigate lol |
| 12:57.44 | hikenboot | anyone know what causes this error chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error from a cross arch chroot? |
| 12:57.49 | echosystm | this is why i like debian, things like this never happen |
| 12:57.54 | echosystm | debian stable ftw |
| 12:58.01 | nsadmin | ok, but investigating could get you solutions |
| 12:58.04 | echosystm | but wireless is broken in the current release |
| 12:58.19 | nsadmin | you mean lenny? |
| 12:58.25 | simonrvn | hikenboot: um, that's why (cross arch chroot) |
| 12:58.46 | nsadmin | and when you say "wireless" you must mean the wireless driver for your particular hardware? |
| 12:58.48 | hikenboot | shouldnt cross arch chroot be allowable? |
| 12:59.11 | nsadmin | it can be, but how would you run it? |
| 12:59.14 | simonrvn | it's *allowable*, doesn't mean it'll *work* |
| 12:59.37 | hikenboot | debootstrap --foreign --arch=i386 |
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| 12:59.49 | do0ob | hi |
| 12:59.57 | do0ob | i want to lock grub in its current version forever |
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| 13:00.14 | simonrvn | ... |
| 13:00.15 | do0ob | is it likely for other packages to want grub to be a specific version? |
| 13:00.18 | sphenxes01 | how can i excute *.jar files under debian? |
| 13:00.29 | do0ob | simonrvn: i'm messing with the source to make it nicer |
| 13:00.34 | simonrvn | sphenxes01: java -jar foo.jar |
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| 13:00.44 | do0ob | and its grub, if its perfect once, why change it? |
| 13:00.49 | hoxu | sphenxes01, java -jar foo.jar, you probably want sun-java6-jre installed |
| 13:00.56 | sphenxes01 | simonrvn, thanks |
| 13:01.00 | nsadmin | sphenxes01: which is just like any other os |
| 13:01.34 | simonrvn | wonders why people keep asking "... under debian" |
| 13:01.41 | nsadmin | or sun-java6-jdk if you want to build from java source |
| 13:02.02 | Slash[GnR] | how can i install gcc and make from the cdrom? |
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| 13:02.20 | liable | Slash[GnR]: its not on the first cd |
| 13:02.41 | do0ob | simonrvn: maybe they use more than one distro? or are new to debian |
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| 13:02.54 | nsadmin | simonrvn: frankly part of the reason is because some helpers like to go to longer lengths to prove the helpee is running debian in order to not support those who aren't |
| 13:03.12 | nsadmin | our reputation preceeds us on that point |
| 13:03.17 | Slash[GnR] | but how can i install a package from the cdrom? |
| 13:03.33 | simonrvn | nsadmin: sometimes you can tell right away =;) |
| 13:03.42 | nsadmin | true |
| 13:03.52 | liable | Slash[GnR]: by getting the cd with it on it, and adding that to your sources.list |
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| 13:04.09 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
| 13:04.43 | simonrvn | morning |
| 13:04.50 | nsadmin | Slash[GnR] but that cdrom will eventually be out of date and so it might be better to get the packages from the net |
| 13:04.50 | Slash[GnR] | ok thanks |
| 13:04.52 | liable | Slash[GnR]: use apt-cdrom to add it to sources.list |
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| 13:05.10 | liable | !cd contents |
| 13:05.10 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 13:05.21 | liable | Slash[GnR]: ^^ to find which cd you need |
| 13:05.22 | nsadmin | that (and apt-setup) still exists?? |
| 13:05.36 | d1b | echosystm: i don't have issues compiling kernels from kernel.org :) |
| 13:05.38 | simonrvn | -setup no -cdrom yes |
| 13:05.40 | liable | i have apt-cdrom on my sid box |
| 13:05.56 | Slash[GnR] | cool... thanks |
| 13:06.03 | nsadmin | Slash[GnR] you expect to not have a good working net? |
| 13:06.13 | nsadmin | urp burp |
| 13:06.21 | liable | fart |
| 13:06.25 | do0ob | i need some nice debian wallpapers, where is debian's official wallpaper place? |
| 13:06.26 | simonrvn | especially if s/he quits :P |
| 13:06.35 | do0ob | i want something darker than the light blue one |
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| 13:06.49 | simonrvn | there's several |
| 13:06.56 | simonrvn | packaged |
| 13:06.59 | do0ob | oh |
| 13:07.29 | nsadmin | I wanna learn javascript, what are the options (non-web to start, just cli) |
| 13:07.44 | liable | just kill yorself now |
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| 13:08.03 | zinx | while there are command-line javascript interpreters |
| 13:08.24 | zinx | javascript is pretty useless in any context apart from webpages/flash :/ |
| 13:08.28 | nsadmin | I understand that there are browser differences (fsck u m$)... but I definitely want to learn it |
| 13:08.33 | zinx | and its usefulness there is debatable |
| 13:08.46 | nsadmin | it's just effects |
| 13:08.52 | nsadmin | well mostly |
| 13:08.53 | simonrvn | fuck flash |
| 13:09.00 | d1b | +1 |
| 13:09.17 | nsadmin | its usefulness lies in how many hits to the web server can be avoided |
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| 13:09.29 | d1b | zinx: javascript is very useful. |
| 13:09.52 | zinx | d1b: 'dict debatable' |
| 13:10.00 | simonrvn | nsadmin: that's ajax and json stuffs |
| 13:10.29 | hoxu | !test |
| 13:10.29 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 13:10.38 | nsadmin | I fkn hate javascript as a browser user... go onto some sites and they like to open piles and piles of windows |
| 13:10.43 | simonrvn | hm. ok. |
| 13:11.00 | nsadmin | I won't be doing that |
| 13:11.06 | nsadmin | to others that is |
| 13:11.08 | do0ob | you know, i think i know what debian's problem is |
| 13:11.11 | do0ob | its the image |
| 13:11.16 | simonrvn | nsadmin: that's why you have "block unwanted pop-ups" enabled ;) |
| 13:11.18 | liable | thats what all new javascript coders ay ;) |
| 13:11.23 | do0ob | you can't make a cool wallpaper with that logo, its just too hard |
| 13:11.28 | liable | say* |
| 13:11.38 | zinx | i dunno.. something about letting any site i go to run arbitrary code in a turing complete language with access to the internet and local files just doesn't sit well with me. |
| 13:11.47 | simonrvn | you can. i've seen some. |
| 13:11.54 | echosystm | nsadmin, hit up w3schools tutorials |
| 13:11.54 | nsadmin | simonrvn: yes that's exactly why I have that enabled and why I avoid internet exploder whenever possible3 |
| 13:12.15 | nsadmin | so there's not a js cli interpreter packaged? |
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| 13:12.23 | echosystm | i advise getting familiar with "object oriented" programming in js, you can do some neat stuff |
| 13:12.33 | simonrvn | indeed. that PoC shouldn't allowed near anything other than microrap's update site. |
| 13:12.36 | zinx | nsadmin: there probably is, and apt-cache search will find it if there is one |
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| 13:12.43 | simonrvn | *crap |
| 13:12.44 | echosystm | why woould you want such a thing nsadmin? |
| 13:13.01 | simonrvn | nsadmin: a few, coupla more in sid |
| 13:13.05 | nsadmin | echosystm: it's not oop per se... altho #javascript will differ with me on that |
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| 13:13.15 | echosystm | i know |
| 13:13.25 | echosystm | thats why i put it in quotes |
| 13:13.27 | echosystm | :P |
| 13:13.29 | nsadmin | it's ADTs with extra features really |
| 13:13.31 | simonrvn | rhino comes to mind. there's spidermonkey too. |
| 13:13.51 | echosystm | c isnt object oriented, but people program in c in an object-oriented-like way very often |
| 13:14.03 | nsadmin | yes that's true |
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| 13:14.38 | echosystm | you can do all important OO stuff like inheritance and so forth |
| 13:14.44 | echosystm | encapsulation is limited |
| 13:14.52 | echosystm | but thats not really important |
| 13:15.01 | nsadmin | there's not language support in C for oop... and there is in c++ but that same language support can be used for non-oop as well... |
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| 13:15.22 | nsadmin | encapsulation is part of the oop definition tho |
| 13:15.30 | echosystm | i know |
| 13:15.35 | echosystm | but its not THAT important |
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| 13:15.45 | echosystm | in js you can have instance variables, but you cant set visibility |
| 13:15.50 | _generic_1 | how do I use ifconfig? |
| 13:15.58 | _generic_1 | I mean i did just a base install |
| 13:16.05 | simonrvn | /sbin/ |
| 13:16.08 | _generic_1 | and its not there? which pkg will have it |
| 13:16.21 | echosystm | pretty much everything is public, but its not a big deal for the types of things you use js for |
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| 13:16.59 | nsadmin | _generic_1: first off what are you trying to accomplish... second, debian network is usually configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:17.17 | nsadmin | _generic_1: whoami |
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| 13:17.27 | simonrvn | nsadmin |
| 13:17.28 | _generic_1 | _generic_1: see my ipaderess |
| 13:17.30 | simonrvn | :P |
| 13:17.44 | _generic_1 | wht |
| 13:17.49 | _generic_1 | its root only? |
| 13:17.56 | nsadmin | of course it is :) |
| 13:17.57 | simonrvn | no |
| 13:18.03 | _generic_1 | :( |
| 13:18.06 | nsadmin | the net is a shared resource |
| 13:18.10 | janimati | hello why instalation debian stops on 72% on configuring libsnmp |
| 13:18.11 | simonrvn | you can do read ops as non-root, but write is root |
| 13:18.14 | _generic_1 | well that IS certainly safer |
| 13:18.20 | nsadmin | which plain users shouldn't change |
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| 13:18.27 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 13:18.36 | nsadmin | simonrvn I bet it's in sbin tho |
| 13:18.45 | simonrvn | 08:16:04 simonrvn | /sbin/ |
| 13:18.56 | nsadmin | that's why he originally perceived it's not being there |
| 13:19.01 | _generic_1 | nsadmin: thx |
| 13:19.03 | simonrvn | yup |
| 13:19.26 | nsadmin | _generic_1: so get to know how $PATH works too |
| 13:19.49 | _generic_1 | nsadmin: I know how it works or I think I do |
| 13:19.52 | nsadmin | and compare your $PATH as root with your 3 |
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| 13:20.03 | simonrvn | $PATH fricking rocks. so simple but useful. i love *nix for that kind of thing. |
| 13:20.04 | _generic_1 | THis is my first REAl linux distro i guess |
| 13:20.05 | nsadmin | $PATH as plain user |
| 13:20.21 | _generic_1 | I used ubuntu and archlinux befor this |
| 13:20.30 | nsadmin | those are real |
| 13:20.41 | _generic_1 | I hate the archlinux community |
| 13:20.50 | _generic_1 | there is nothin but smug faggots |
| 13:20.51 | nsadmin | nevertheless... |
| 13:20.52 | nsadmin | those are real |
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| 13:21.09 | _generic_1 | some are cool, and this distro seems really differently organized than others |
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| 13:21.29 | d1b | _generic_1: shouldn't be that different. |
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| 13:21.49 | _generic_1 | d1b: Well just the configuration |
| 13:21.58 | _generic_1 | like, etc/ mostly |
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| 13:22.16 | _generic_1 | and the init.d is mostly unused |
| 13:22.29 | frog | hi, could someone , please please help me to fix my sound?once i have commented out pulse audio, cause flash haevnt worked. since then i had prolems, it crashed frequently while using more than one application, that uses sound. then i have installed it again like this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio . it worked for a while. but i have only master(np front , surr, cen) and it has just crashed again |
| 13:22.36 | _generic_1 | rc.d and rc.conf is used instead |
| 13:22.55 | nsadmin | frog: crashed? what crashed? |
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| 13:23.15 | echosystm | can someone point me towards an article for optimising debian for a laptop? |
| 13:23.20 | frog | nsadmin: i duno. i cant start amarok, i have no sound at all |
| 13:23.30 | echosystm | i'd like to have cpu throttling etc. set up on AC events |
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| 13:23.43 | nsadmin | I kinda found the rc.conf approach (exemplefied by suse) interesting... one file to configure EVERYTHING |
| 13:24.35 | nsadmin | frog: but your machine/debian didn't totally crash, lockup, have to be rebooted? |
| 13:24.41 | _generic_1 | nsadmin: Yes I liked it alot actually |
| 13:24.52 | frog | nsadmin: nono |
| 13:24.58 | nsadmin | frog: when you say "crash" I tend to think in that direction |
| 13:25.04 | _generic_1 | but \ when i used other distros i had no idea what i should do |
| 13:25.08 | frog | nsadmin: but i have no idea what to do to have a sound |
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| 13:25.40 | frog | nsadmin: and i dont wanna reboot evry 4 hours only because of that |
| 13:25.48 | nsadmin | frog: probably you have esd taking over the alsa port |
| 13:25.51 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell frog about alsa checklist |
| 13:25.57 | nsadmin | like most people |
| 13:26.07 | frog | nsadmin. how can i fix that? |
| 13:26.29 | nsadmin | and so either you have to make all your apps talk to esd or get rid of esd and make sure your alsa can be opened many times |
| 13:27.02 | nsadmin | there are other alternatives like jack audio connection kit |
| 13:27.20 | jpinx-eeepc | frog: that checklist tells you the basics and google alsa for more about multiple users |
| 13:27.31 | frog | nsadmin: what is the better solution? |
| 13:27.58 | nsadmin | depends on what you want... but I'd go with jpinx-eeepc suggestion to start with |
| 13:28.28 | nsadmin | it's easy, lots of info, links to other info, etc |
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| 13:31.00 | frog | nsadmin: but now i have only master in my alsamixer. how can i fix that one? |
| 13:31.56 | nsadmin | oh, hmm... what does alsamixer say the device it's controlling is? |
| 13:32.28 | Django|afk | can someone help me out .. automount on xfce4 doesn't work .. installed thunar-volman but no luck |
| 13:33.18 | frog | nsadmin: as i wrote it happened after i installed my pulsaudio again |
| 13:33.19 | _generic_1 | would anyone know if vdpau is enabled in the nvidia driver in the non-free repo? |
| 13:33.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Django|afk: a quick pointer - look into udev |
| 13:33.55 | frog | oh, just noticed i cant even open it any moreALSA lib pulse.c:272:(pulse_connect) PulseAudio: Unable to connect: Connection refused alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: Connection refused |
| 13:34.10 | frog | :( |
| 13:34.59 | nsadmin | so alsamixer is controlling pulseaudio? that sound to you like what it's doing? |
| 13:35.21 | Django|afk | sorry jpinx-eeepc but i'm totally n00bie |
| 13:35.32 | Django|afk | udev is installed |
| 13:35.57 | nsadmin | if you can find that out.... you're not TOTALLY newbie :) |
| 13:36.04 | Djang0 | :) |
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| 13:36.27 | frog | nsadmin: i just want it work. nothing else. i have really no idea what to do. googled, asked. but have no idea |
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| 13:37.07 | nsadmin | frog look at cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 13:37.10 | Djang0 | well i do know a little .. can install .. can add some programs / tools / do know some basic comnads but for the rest noob is the word :D |
| 13:37.16 | nsadmin | how many cards does it say you have |
| 13:37.44 | nsadmin | Djang0: can you learn new commands yourself? |
| 13:37.56 | frog | nsadmin: NVidia , U0x46d0x990 |
| 13:38.14 | Djang0 | with some help i can nsadmin |
| 13:38.25 | Djang0 | google is my frient |
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| 13:38.38 | nsadmin | oh, so with google you can? |
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| 13:39.28 | nsadmin | frog: so how many cards? |
| 13:39.33 | frog | nsadmin : 2 |
| 13:39.34 | nsadmin | just card0? |
| 13:39.48 | nsadmin | oh, card0 and card1? |
| 13:40.11 | frog | http://pastebin.ca/1691072 |
| 13:40.19 | Djang0 | well google helped me to fuckup my install about 10 times this week so a little pro help would be nice nsadmin :D |
| 13:41.03 | KnuckOne | Djang0: "ps x | grep thunar" and check if thunar --daemon is here |
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| 13:41.03 | nsadmin | so you also have a usb audio device |
| 13:41.09 | frog | nsadmin: yes |
| 13:41.09 | nsadmin | on card1 |
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| 13:42.21 | nsadmin | Djang0: getting into trouble with google, you learn a little... successfully getting out, you learn a LOT |
| 13:43.05 | Djang0 | uhu .. managed to enable shutdown sow i'm making little progress nsadmin |
| 13:43.43 | Djang0 | it says 3539/1 S+ 0:00 grep thunar KnuckOne |
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| 13:44.03 | KnuckOne | ok Djang0, now "xfce4-autostart-editor" |
| 13:44.22 | KnuckOne | and add an entry for the program "thunar --daemon" |
| 13:44.35 | nsadmin | frog: so, when you run alsamixer with no params, you're getting an error? |
| 13:44.46 | frog | nsadmin: yes |
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| 13:44.54 | Djang0 | command not found :/ |
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| 13:45.18 | nsadmin | frog so have you been writing a config file, .asndrc or something? |
| 13:45.31 | nsadmin | maybe it's .asoundrc? |
| 13:45.44 | KnuckOne | Djang0: apt-get install xfce4-session |
| 13:45.49 | frog | nsadmin once i have commented out pulse audio, cause flash haevnt worked. since then i had prolems, it crashed frequently while using more than one application, that uses sound. then i have installed it again like this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio . it worked for a while. but i have only master(np front , surr, cen) and it has just crashed again |
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| 13:46.28 | frog | nsadmin /etc/asound.conf |
| 13:46.35 | nsadmin | this is without pulseaudio? |
| 13:46.41 | nsadmin | could you pastebin that? |
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| 13:47.06 | nsadmin | I'm going to bed soon too |
| 13:47.21 | nsadmin | so remember these pastebins :) |
| 13:47.32 | Djang0 | xfce4-session is installed KnuckOne |
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| 13:47.46 | nsadmin | well you don't have to remember, they'll ask you for what they need when I have to go |
| 13:48.03 | frog | http://pastebin.ca/1691082 |
| 13:49.07 | frog | nsadmin: you are the only one who gave me any feedback |
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| 13:49.31 | nsadmin | ok, so the 3rd and 4th stanzas say the control and pcm default to pulse |
| 13:49.58 | nsadmin | lines 7 - 12 |
| 13:50.16 | nsadmin | if you want to get rid of pulesaudio, comment those lines out |
| 13:50.30 | KnuckOne | oh Djang0... you're not using stable ? |
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| 13:50.52 | frog | nsadmin: oh man :(. so i gonna crash again |
| 13:51.12 | nsadmin | well dunno. your situation isn't stable as it is... |
| 13:51.35 | nsadmin | it's easy enough to uncomment |
| 13:51.38 | Djang0 | 5.03 net install KnuckOne |
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| 13:52.01 | jpinx-eeepc | frog: I told you waht to do! |
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| 13:52.27 | jpinx-eeepc | frog: so stop bleating and read the man and google your answer |
| 13:52.40 | KnuckOne | ok, so you'll find it in the xfce control panel >session & startup |
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| 13:52.44 | nsadmin | frogs bleat?! |
| 13:52.53 | frog | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:53.19 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: this one does ;) |
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| 13:53.57 | ramindia | i see this errros on my new debian lenny server box , i do not have any clue "http://pastebin.ca/1691090" |
| 13:54.05 | nsadmin | btw, you'll definitely want to comment those lines out to remove what would be considered "an unusual default" before you take the journey linked to by jpinx-eeepc |
| 13:54.14 | ramindia | can some one tell me what is wrong with this, how can i resolve this problem |
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| 13:55.22 | nsadmin | ramindia: first, I do not have time to explore this... but |
| 13:55.52 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:56.08 | ramindia | nsadmin: that is because of ngrep network trace |
| 13:56.16 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: that certainly does not look like a standard install |
| 13:56.59 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:57.05 | ramindia | jpinx-eeepc: i have installed debian lenny netinstall.. |
| 13:57.48 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: I go with hardware issues |
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| 13:57.50 | KnuckOne | Djang0: did you find the "session and startup" menu in the xfce control panel ? |
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| 13:58.11 | ramindia | how do i know which hardware went wrong, how can i trace back the same.. |
| 13:58.17 | jpinx-eeepc | but nsadmin will know more than me ;) |
| 13:58.17 | nsadmin | at some point you might want to... install memtest86 and run it for awhile |
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| 13:58.59 | ramindia | nsadmin: do you see this is RAM Problem, so i can run the same |
| 13:59.15 | nsadmin | this would rule out major hardware issues, like bad ram, cpu, video card |
| 13:59.27 | Djang0 | found autostart thing KnuckOne |
| 13:59.27 | nsadmin | , motherboard |
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| 13:59.34 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: you might try removing one ram stick at a time and see if the problem repeats |
| 13:59.55 | nsadmin | make SURE power off if you do that!! |
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| 14:00.03 | ramindia | this is production server running some services.. |
| 14:00.05 | KnuckOne | Djang0: now add a new item, with "thunar --daemon" as program |
| 14:00.10 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: yea- I assume too much ;) |
| 14:00.29 | therealtux | hello, short question: is there a way to do a reset under linux without shutdown -r or init 6? Like pressing the reset button on the computer? |
| 14:00.31 | nsadmin | ramindia are the services dying? |
| 14:01.00 | ramindia | no as of now |
| 14:01.00 | janimati | i have big problem witch grub and lilo setup debian cant instal inn my computer i have windows 7 on lilo i have error" 1" |
| 14:01.00 | jpinx-eeepc | therealtux: log out and back in? |
| 14:01.00 | Djang0 | did that KnuckOne |
| 14:01.10 | therealtux | jpinx-eeepc: no, hard reset |
| 14:01.13 | jpinx-eeepc | therealtux: why do you want to "reset"/ |
| 14:01.23 | KnuckOne | Djang0: now have you heck the volume manager checkbox in thunar ? |
| 14:01.27 | nsadmin | therealtux: reset? you mean you want to restart your whole server without going thru proper shutdown? |
| 14:01.31 | KnuckOne | s/heck/checked/ |
| 14:01.37 | ramindia | but i see this errors everyday, before i get in to major problem,i want to fix them |
| 14:01.37 | therealtux | yes |
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| 14:01.41 | Djang0 | i have KnuckOne |
| 14:01.52 | seicherlbob | hi! top tells me, that 99% of my cpu are waiting for external operations... how can i check what processes are blocking? |
| 14:02.03 | Djang0 | checked the options as well |
| 14:02.11 | amphi | therealtux: just pull the plug ;) |
| 14:02.17 | therealtux | jpinx-eeepc: propably a kernel module which is blocking a proper reset and the machine is far away |
| 14:02.23 | nsadmin | ramindia: you want to back up your server NOW and often |
| 14:02.32 | therealtux | amphi: well, my arm is not 800km long :-) |
| 14:02.34 | KnuckOne | ok, so this let you two choice, restart xfce sessions to see if it works, or launch "thunar --daemon" |
| 14:02.43 | jpinx-eeepc | therealtux: reboot as root |
| 14:03.01 | nsadmin | because you eventually want to move to new hardware if it turns out memtest86 is failing |
| 14:03.07 | ramindia | yes i do weekly basis only important things, like my config files not more than that |
| 14:03.18 | jpinx-eeepc | therealtux: but if you are having trouble with a remote box, better to sort the problem rather than reboot |
| 14:03.27 | KnuckOne | after that Djang0 there amy be a permission problem the way you had with the shutdown thingie |
| 14:03.29 | nsadmin | you're going to want to have scheduled downtime to do the memtest |
| 14:03.43 | therealtux | jpinx-eeepc: system may block a probper reboot |
| 14:03.53 | jpinx-eeepc | therealtux: do you want to tell the the "real" problem? |
| 14:04.00 | ilj | hi. I've run into the problem with screen Under certain conditions when I run 'screen' command as a user with UID/GID > 1000 I get this message in response: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. /dev/pts/0 permissions are: crw--w---- |
| 14:04.01 | ramindia | nsadmin: yes i will, thanks any otherthings i can test.. since iam taking downtime schedule |
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| 14:04.24 | therealtux | jpinx-eeepc: I can not unload a self compiled kernel module which I think is the problem for a proper reboot/shutdown |
| 14:04.38 | nsadmin | if your services are working, probably no |
| 14:04.53 | nsadmin | basically you want to find the problem first |
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| 14:05.03 | Djang0 | thunar --daemon leaves me waiting for displaying some response but nothing happens KnuckOne |
| 14:05.20 | jpinx-eeepc | therealtux: did you complie the kerel yourself and if so - what did you build in that is causing the trouble? |
| 14:05.24 | amphi | therealtux: heheh |
| 14:05.28 | echosystm | #vim |
| 14:05.30 | echosystm | argh |
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| 14:05.47 | nsadmin | you might as well be prepared to replace the hardware should that become necessary |
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| 14:06.38 | therealtux | jpinx-eeepc: lenny stock kernel, with a module for a very old isa-idsn-card |
| 14:06.40 | nsadmin | but what jpinx-eeepc said about swapping out some of the ram is a good idea too... if memtest86 shows errors, you will want to swap out ram to see if that's the problem |
| 14:06.48 | KnuckOne | Djang0: plug an usb stick and see what happens :) |
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| 14:07.02 | Djang0 | nothing KnuckOne :) |
| 14:07.04 | therealtux | so, there is no trick for reset like "echo 1 > /proc/kernel/reset" |
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| 14:07.44 | jpinx-eeepc | therealtux: there is no way that I know of to restart the kernel without rebooting - but I stand to be corrected;) |
| 14:07.47 | ramindia | ok thanks, i will try that remedies |
| 14:07.55 | KnuckOne | Djang0: can you paste what "polkit-auth" says ? |
| 14:08.12 | nsadmin | otoh, if memtest86 shows clean when run for awhile (maybe 10-15 mins), then you will have ruled out: cpu, ram, the main/core parts of the motherboard, video card |
| 14:08.37 | Djang0 | command not found KnuckOne |
| 14:08.38 | nsadmin | that is you will have found that all of those are working properly |
| 14:08.49 | nsadmin | check temperature too |
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| 14:08.58 | therealtux | jpinx-eeepc: well, there is an adress in the cpu for reset... |
| 14:09.20 | nsadmin | btw... in order to use memtest86, you have to boot into it |
| 14:09.30 | therealtux | so, reboot an hope |
| 14:09.51 | jpinx-eeepc | therealtux: you know more than me then :) |
| 14:09.53 | nsadmin | so you probably don't want to do that until the scheduled downtime starts |
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| 14:10.15 | nsadmin | got all that? |
| 14:10.16 | ramindia | i use debian CD to do that test, after i call downtime |
| 14:10.18 | Djang0 | thunar-volman spams something about HALL UDI KnuckOne |
| 14:10.37 | nsadmin | do you have physical access to the machine? |
| 14:10.54 | nsadmin | or is it 9724389723894792374 miles away? |
| 14:11.03 | ramindia | no at this moment..yes 10miles |
| 14:11.11 | jpinx-eeepc | on mars? |
| 14:11.23 | ramindia | may be i will be doing the test on sunday |
| 14:11.33 | nsadmin | mars?! I was thinking more like alpha centuri |
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| 14:11.45 | nsadmin | nice little mall, cute chicks |
| 14:11.50 | ramindia | may be if time comes we may need to co-locate across globe,. but as of now only on earth |
| 14:11.51 | seicherlbob | top tells me, that 99% of my cpu are waiting for external operations... how can i check what processes are blocking my system?? |
| 14:12.10 | jpinx-eeepc | nsadmin: voyager will be there soon;) |
| 14:12.18 | jpinx-eeepc | seicherlbob: ps -e |
| 14:12.27 | KnuckOne | Djang0: does it look like : "hal udi: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_" ? |
| 14:12.37 | jpinx-eeepc | seicherlbob: man ps and look for options to tell you what you need |
| 14:12.47 | nsadmin | oh yeah, and vger was one -cute- bald chick! |
| 14:13.33 | seicherlbob | jpinx-eeepc: even opening the manpages takes 30 seconds... |
| 14:13.43 | Djang0 | more like "Must spec the new HAL device UDI with --device-added" KnuckOne |
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| 14:14.37 | ramindia | nsadmin: another quick question, is this possible to make existing install configs and software , make as ISO and install on any hardware if iam going to replace or replicate the config.. |
| 14:14.46 | nsadmin | ramindia: it looks like you're doing the peripheral stuff well (you have backups, you have additional, albeit earth-only, plans) |
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| 14:15.10 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: you need a live CD made of your system |
| 14:15.26 | ramindia | nsadmin: yes i do back before i shutdown the server |
| 14:15.28 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: not trivial, but very handy - I have one on a USB |
| 14:15.29 | Djang0 | looks lik i have to install HAL KnuckOne |
| 14:15.29 | nsadmin | any? I dunno about that |
| 14:15.54 | ramindia | not Live CD ( not only boot from CD), i like to installable ISO image |
| 14:16.21 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: you're into something well beyond me then ;) |
| 14:16.26 | nsadmin | that would be nice... I dunno how to do that |
| 14:16.31 | KnuckOne | thunar should depend on it Djang0 |
| 14:16.31 | ramindia | nsadmin: same compatable harware like intel based servers |
| 14:16.44 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: there will be hardware issues |
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| 14:17.05 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: you cannot just plonk your OS on any system |
| 14:17.07 | mercutio22 | I can't get success installing skype on squeeze 64bits. error while loading shared libraries: libQtDBus.so.4. Did anyone here solve this? |
| 14:17.18 | nsadmin | in other words you want to make backup onto cdrom where the cdrom image is bootable and can write itself to disks |
| 14:17.18 | jpinx-eeepc | s/system/hardware |
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| 14:17.27 | ramindia | jpinx-eeepc: that is the reason i said similar hardware like intel based systems ( may be harddisk and boards changes) |
| 14:17.57 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: *any* different hardware will be possible problems |
| 14:17.57 | nsadmin | ramindia: make separate backups, |
| 14:17.58 | ramindia | nsadmin: yes correct, |
| 14:18.00 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.00 | Djang0 | it's a clean install xcfe KnuckOne and it was not installed |
| 14:18.19 | ramindia | nsadmin: i did rsync |
| 14:18.22 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:18.41 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: copy your data onto a CD and make a live image of your OS - then you can run your own system anywhere |
| 14:18.51 | nsadmin | are you doing rsync per partition? |
| 14:19.01 | ramindia | nsadmin: but if i want to assist some one, if iam not around, people just take the CD/DVD install new hardware , start install and change the IP,. and its live now..want to make things simple |
| 14:19.24 | seicherlbob | jpinx-eeepc: i cant find anything about blocking or waiting information via ps. there must be a way to find out, what process is blocking all the time. |
| 14:19.26 | ramindia | nsadmin: rsync only critical information. |
| 14:19.29 | KnuckOne | Djang0: http://thunar.xfce.org/documentation/C/using-removable-media.html => section troubleshooting |
| 14:19.46 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: and if you want to install on different hardware, put the netinstaller on the CD and use that, then copying over your configs from the live CD |
| 14:19.56 | Djang0 | found that one 2 KnuckOne |
| 14:20.12 | nsadmin | ramindia: I would say you'd prepare for that for next time... you're in somethign of emergency condition right now, and you may have to be present |
| 14:20.14 | jpinx-eeepc | seicherlbob: top will tell you what is eating cpu time |
| 14:20.21 | nsadmin | and, backup the rest somehow |
| 14:20.25 | Djang0 | WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA it wurkz |
| 14:20.32 | KnuckOne | Djang0: the only problem i could see now is if you're not in the plugdev group, or maybe just you need to restartyour xfce session (which i highly doubt) |
| 14:20.33 | Djang0 | hughs KnuckOne |
| 14:20.38 | KnuckOne | oh |
| 14:20.40 | KnuckOne | amazing |
| 14:20.42 | KnuckOne | :D |
| 14:20.45 | Djang0 | :) |
| 14:20.47 | Djang0 | \o/ |
| 14:20.55 | ramindia | jpinx-eeepc: we are doing now the same, but some times, package instalaltion problem we do not have track of packages to be install after netinstall, so we have already installed pacakges, make use them and do it in new server is my idea |
| 14:20.56 | jpinx-eeepc | happy campers \o/ |
| 14:20.57 | KnuckOne | you should restart your session if all is 100% ok |
| 14:21.08 | seicherlbob | jpinx-eeepc: top tells me that 95-99% are "wa" but the processes listed only use 0.3% of cpu! there's something blocking in the back what i dont see. |
| 14:21.10 | frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.47 | Djang0 | is dancing through the channel |
| 14:21.52 | nsadmin | ramindia: I'll conclude my part by saying (I'm sure you did this... but...) make SURE you back up EVERYTHING |
| 14:21.58 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: ok - it's not trivial to make your OS fit other hardware - I suggest you fix your current problem and come back to chat about that |
| 14:22.07 | Djang0 | and i think i kinda understand what i did 2 |
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| 14:22.13 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: backup everything NOW |
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| 14:22.39 | Djang0 | next problem ... sound not working on this dell latitude |
| 14:22.58 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Djang0 about alsa checklist |
| 14:23.04 | ramindia | nsadmin: yes you are right, i like my job to make simple,so i do not require to travel all the time to NOC for the simple things. so making ISO image, if hardware failure, i can assist NOC engineer to replace the hardware and put this DVD and install.. change the IP and its live.. |
| 14:23.20 | ramindia | jpinx-eeepc: nsadmin : yes i did all the backup already |
| 14:23.24 | ramindia | its uptodate.. |
| 14:23.49 | ramindia | since i need to take schedule downtime i can shutdown now..so iam exploring best possible ways.. |
| 14:23.58 | nsadmin | good, now out of curiousity, had you ever had occasion to try restoring the whole backup? |
| 14:23.59 | Djang0 | thx jpinx-eeepc gonna cost me another year of my live :D |
| 14:24.02 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: good - now fix the current problem and come back for lengthy chat about making a mobile OS;) |
| 14:24.10 | jpinx-eeepc | Djang0: ;) |
| 14:24.26 | ramindia | nsadmin: many times, but iam present always in front of server |
| 14:25.10 | nsadmin | ok, good... I'm asking because making a backup is quite useful... if you can restore it... |
| 14:25.10 | ramindia | jpinx-eeepc: to fix this problem i need to wait for 24/48 hours, since we need to take schedule downtime as mentioned |
| 14:25.46 | ramindia | if iam available there in front of server, so i can make DVD or CD and test it.. rather i travel for the same again.. |
| 14:25.52 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: fairysnuff ;) |
| 14:25.59 | ramindia | so iam here to take some suggestion.. |
| 14:26.30 | seicherlbob | jpinx-eeepc: ok, it was a filetransfer via samba. How can it be that downloading 2GB from a Sambashare takes hours via local lan and puts 80-99% of my CPU to waiting? |
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| 14:26.34 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: what size is your hdd? |
| 14:27.02 | nsadmin | my best suggestion is learn all you can from this instance so you can automate if this happens again |
| 14:27.04 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: one idea might be to dd it onto a DVD and bring it home to work on |
| 14:27.06 | crow | Hi, i need help to compile openwrt under debian, i slowed most of dependency but still one is missing : http://paste.debian.net/52630/ |
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| 14:27.26 | jpinx-eeepc | seicherlbob: no idea dude - I don't use samba |
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| 14:27.45 | frog | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.47 | ramindia | Less than DVD (1.5G), if you leave mysql DATA ( that any way planning to have ODBC to save some other Place) |
| 14:28.06 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: dd will copy *everything* |
| 14:28.35 | seicherlbob | jpinx-eeepc: I'll try sshfs mount instead. lets see if that makes it better |
| 14:28.38 | jpinx-eeepc | seicherlbob: maybe the box you are getting the file from is slow? |
| 14:28.50 | jpinx-eeepc | seicherlbob: sshfs is great ;) |
| 14:29.01 | ramindia | copy will not solve my issue. as iam doing already " rsync" to other server |
| 14:29.13 | jpinx-eeepc | seicherlbob: but I've never used it to a windows fs |
| 14:29.24 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: no - dd is something else |
| 14:29.32 | seicherlbob | jpinx-eeepc: well, its some intel Celeron 2,13GHz as router and fileserver |
| 14:29.34 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: man dd |
| 14:29.41 | seicherlbob | jpinx-eeepc: and its bored all the time |
| 14:29.52 | jpinx-eeepc | seicherlbob: that means nothing if there's a screwed router inbetween ;) |
| 14:29.56 | ramindia | nsadmin: yes iam planning the same to make autoprocess |
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| 14:30.16 | seicherlbob | jpinx-eeepc: well, there are 2 switches inbetween |
| 14:30.36 | jpinx-eeepc | seicherlbob: so xgo looking ;) |
| 14:31.12 | frog | noone? |
| 14:31.50 | nsadmin | ramindia: other than old obvious tools like dd tar rsync scp and the like, I think jpinx-eeepc has more current knowledge of what's available |
| 14:32.16 | nsadmin | SWEARS by tar :) |
| 14:32.33 | seicherlbob | jpinx-eeepc: hmm.... ok, i'll check some network benchmarking. thanks! |
| 14:33.15 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: dd makes an image - not just a copy |
| 14:33.33 | ramindia | jpinx-eeepc: is that bootable " reading man dd" |
| 14:34.19 | jpinx-eeepc | ramindia: it can be wth some tweaking of grub/bios |
| 14:34.47 | ramindia | jpinx-eeepc: another tool i found something intresting bootcd , reading that man pages too |
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| 14:37.03 | ethen637 | hello all :) |
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| 14:38.11 | ethen637 | anyone knows how to add local language support in debian lenny ? |
| 14:38.47 | jpinx-eeepc | ethen637: locales |
| 14:39.14 | ethen637 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:40.40 | jelly-home | ethen637: /msg dpkg locales |
| 14:40.47 | jpinx-eeepc | ethen637: man locale |
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| 14:42.12 | jelly-home | man locale doesn't really say how to enable additional ones, jpinx-eeepc |
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| 14:44.10 | ethen637 | i mean , i can't see my local language in debian . not in webpages and it shows square boxes with some hex numbers |
| 14:44.27 | seicherlbob | jpinx-eeepc: looks like it was the harddrive. copying files that are stored on another drive are downloaded as expected. |
| 14:44.42 | seicherlbob | jpinx-eeepc: how can i check the hdd performance? |
| 14:44.57 | jelly-home | ethen637: sounds like you're missing decent fonts for it... which language? |
| 14:45.05 | ethen637 | marathi |
| 14:46.00 | jelly-home | so, Devanagari fonts? |
| 14:46.34 | ethen637 | yeah |
| 14:46.51 | EagleScreen | ethen637: have you tried command # dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:46.54 | jelly-home | ethen637: use apt-cache search devanagari to find related packages, and try installing the ttf-* ones |
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| 14:49.16 | jelly-home | ethen637: you'll probalby have to restart the apps (browser) to make it see new fonts |
| 14:49.23 | ethen637 | ok |
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| 14:51.44 | liable | it doesnt greylist MX's its the address i thought |
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| 14:51.57 | liable | ie, username too |
| 14:52.04 | cantido | liable: its the mx that the mail is coming from |
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| 14:52.25 | cantido | liable: causes headache if that domain has lots of mx's that all need to get in the white list :/ |
| 14:52.31 | liable | cantido: i don't know, would have to delve into greylists docs i think |
| 14:52.40 | jelly-home | cantido: the replies might not arrive from the same IP, and thery often don't |
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| 14:53.10 | jelly-home | MX records designate the machine that receive mail, not send it |
| 14:53.18 | liable | cantido: is the ten minutes too long? |
| 14:53.19 | cantido | jelly-home: yeah, I would like the mail to go out.. then lookup the mx's for the domain and add them to greylists's whitelist |
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| 14:53.56 | ethen637 | jelly-home : it requires DVD for downloading packages but i don't have it right now , is there any way to fetch it from internet directaly? |
| 14:54.07 | cantido | liable: some hosts don't retry that quickly.. the reason this has come to light is sending out an order for lots of components and the replies taking 30mins+ to come in |
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| 14:54.50 | generic_ | so firefox |
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| 14:55.04 | generic_ | is iceweasel compatible with all the plugins? |
| 14:55.07 | liable | cantido: not greylists fault that other people have shit MTA's :) |
| 14:55.11 | liable | generic_: yes |
| 14:55.16 | cantido | generic_: yes |
| 14:55.21 | generic_ | liable: ok then dont need ff |
| 14:55.31 | liable | correct |
| 14:55.36 | liable | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:55.57 | cantido | generic_: iceweasel is firefox just with trademarked stuff taken out |
| 14:56.01 | jelly-home | ethen637: comment out the cdrom/dvd line in your /etc/apt/sources.list, and rerun aptitude update |
| 14:56.18 | generic_ | cantido: yeah, same with shiretoko miefeild etc |
| 14:56.22 | ethen637 | jelly-home : thank you . it works :) |
| 14:56.43 | cantido | i think shiretoko was a code-name for a release.. |
| 14:57.14 | liable | the anime debian release? |
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| 14:57.51 | cantido | its the name of a national park IIRC |
| 14:58.13 | liable | made me think of hoshiguru.. |
| 14:58.25 | jelly-home | cantido: I can't help you with exim (or greylistd), just think that whitelisting MX records might not help a lot |
| 14:58.27 | cantido | de-bi-a-n - transliterates fine to japanese |
| 14:58.40 | liable | 50 points for who can tell me where i got that thought |
| 14:59.40 | cantido | jelly-home: mmm it does seem to work wonders for keeping spam levels down and having spamassing woken up for only potentionally valid mail.. just annoying to see messages in the exim log about a mail I'm waiting for being delayed heh |
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| 15:01.28 | jelly-home | cantido: eh, sorry, you seem to be unable to parse my lines and I can't be arsed to reexplain the point, so cheers :-) |
| 15:02.11 | cantido | well.. whitelisting the mx's has worked for all the mobile providers :/ |
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| 15:04.18 | jelly-home | I prefer to whitelist their outgoing mail servers, which are _not necessarily the same_ |
| 15:05.18 | cantido | ah, i see.. hmm I could just whitelist the base domain |
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| 15:08.52 | crow | Hi, i need help to compile openwrt under debian, i slowed most of dependency but still one is missing : http://paste.debian.net/52630/ /2 |
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| 15:14.54 | leejongwook | suggest me a desktop manager please ~ except gnome, kde, xfce4 |
| 15:15.38 | qwd | leejongwook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_X_Window_System_desktop_environments |
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| 15:15.50 | leejongwook | there are too many |
| 15:16.09 | leejongwook | what do you use for users qwd ? |
| 15:16.13 | cantido | leejongwook: try a few, pick the one you want |
| 15:16.19 | leejongwook | s users yours |
| 15:16.25 | cantido | leejongwook: you can have loads installed at the same time |
| 15:16.43 | leejongwook | what's yours cantido ? |
| 15:16.55 | leejongwook | gnome ? |
| 15:16.56 | cantido | kde4 |
| 15:16.57 | leejongwook | kde ? |
| 15:17.00 | leejongwook | i see |
| 15:17.21 | leejongwook | i'll go with kde4 :P |
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| 15:17.48 | leejongwook | gnome is great but has some little problems |
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| 15:19.24 | jelly-home | !start a de war |
| 15:19.35 | liable | no |
| 15:19.43 | jelly-home | hmph |
| 15:20.08 | cantido | a war in germany? |
| 15:20.17 | cantido | why would you want to do that?? |
| 15:20.24 | jelly-home | dpkg, start a de war is <reply>Gnome blows! |
| 15:20.24 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
| 15:20.33 | liable | nooo |
| 15:20.51 | liable | who the fuck deleted that CMD ? |
| 15:21.06 | jelly-home | was it a cmd? |
| 15:21.13 | liable | yes |
| 15:21.28 | jelly-home | not a mere factoid? |
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| 15:21.40 | liable | more than a factoid |
| 15:21.42 | nkuttler | are you sure it wasn't start a wm war? |
| 15:21.58 | liable | no, was a de one too |
| 15:22.01 | jelly-home | !start a factoid war |
| 15:22.01 | dpkg | the guy next to ricky_clarkson deletes the best factoids |
| 15:22.41 | liable | there has been systematic deleting of fun things by the fun police for too long in this channel |
| 15:22.44 | NoCode | Is Squeeze going to be stable soon? Not that I'm complaing, but these updates/ upgrades are awesome. Not that I can tell what they're doing, but it's nice to have them daily. |
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| 15:22.54 | jelly-home | wonders if there's a start a "start a war" war |
| 15:23.05 | jelly-home | !wwsr |
| 15:23.05 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a <freeze> starting in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>. |
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| 15:23.15 | NoCode | nice |
| 15:23.17 | jelly-home | !squeeze pool ` |
| 15:23.18 | jelly-home | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 15:23.18 | dpkg | ! jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 valdyn=2010-10-30 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 |
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| 15:24.06 | liable | valdyn cheats! |
| 15:24.09 | nkuttler | dpkg, start a de war is <reply>(KDE|GNOME|Xfce|Emacs) (sucks|bites|blows(| chunks| goats)|makes me vomit)! |
| 15:24.09 | dpkg | ...but start a de war is already something else... |
| 15:24.26 | jelly-home | "no, " |
| 15:24.32 | nkuttler | dpkg, no, start a de war is <reply>(KDE|GNOME|Xfce|Emacs) (sucks|bites|blows(| chunks| goats)|makes me vomit)! |
| 15:24.32 | dpkg | nkuttler: okay |
| 15:24.40 | nkuttler | dpkg start a de war |
| 15:24.40 | dpkg | Xfce blows! |
| 15:24.49 | jelly-home | Emacs? |
| 15:24.55 | liable | hugs nkuttler |
| 15:24.59 | nkuttler | sure :) |
| 15:25.03 | TheJoe | Aww. The OpenOffice backports have messed with my dictionaries :\ |
| 15:25.06 | jelly-home | I'm not complaining, just... intrigued |
| 15:25.10 | TheJoe | ibritish is not installable |
| 15:25.20 | jelly-home | TheJoe: which debian release? |
| 15:25.24 | TheJoe | jelly-home: 5.0.3 |
| 15:25.34 | liable | emace is an operating system |
| 15:25.36 | jelly-home | TheJoe: where did you get those backports from? |
| 15:25.43 | TheJoe | jelly-home: backports.org |
| 15:26.19 | jelly-home | judd: versions ibritish |
| 15:26.20 | judd | jelly-home: ibritish -- etch: 3.1.20.0-4.3 lenny: 3.1.20.0-4.4 sid: 3.1.20.0-7 squeeze: 3.1.20.0-7 |
| 15:26.33 | TheJoe | Ah nevermind |
| 15:26.42 | TheJoe | Installing the backported package seems to have worked |
| 15:27.09 | jelly-home | I don't see a backported ibritish there |
| 15:27.46 | TheJoe | jelly-home: Well there is one :\ |
| 15:27.53 | TheJoe | apt-get -t lenny-backports install ibritish |
| 15:27.59 | jelly-home | judd: versions weallbritish |
| 15:28.00 | judd | jelly-home: weallbritish -- |
| 15:28.31 | jelly-home | judd: update yourself |
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| 15:28.33 | judd | jelly-home: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
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| 15:30.56 | power | hi,i need to update the kernel of my fresh debian lenny installation,but offline, because the network module of my machine has a bug (sparc). where do i download the .deb file ? |
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| 15:33.13 | babilen | !tell power -about pdo |
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| 15:35.55 | power | babilen~ i see exactly same version of running one, 2.6.26-2 on packages.debian.org |
| 15:35.56 | mercutio22 | is there a googleearth-package in the squeeze repos? I can't find it here |
| 15:36.59 | mercutio22 | maybe its because I am missing those contrib lines |
| 15:37.13 | mercutio22 | can someone post them for me? |
| 15:37.23 | mercutio22 | my sources.list is a mess |
| 15:37.39 | themill | mercutio22: so fix it... man 5 sources.list |
| 15:37.45 | EagleRock | mercutio22: you need to add contrib to your sources.list to see google earth |
| 15:37.50 | themill | judd versions googleearth-package |
| 15:37.51 | judd | themill: googleearth-package -- etch/contrib: 0.0.4 lenny/contrib: 0.5.4 sid/contrib: 0.5.4 sid/contrib: 0.5.6 squeeze/contrib: 0.5.6 |
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| 15:39.13 | babilen | power: Yes... sure. What did you expect? If there is no kernel update, there is no kernel update :-) |
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| 15:39.21 | babilen | power: You might want to try backports |
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| 15:39.34 | mercutio22 | is there a way for me to make the sources.list file return to the default one by issuing a simple command? |
| 15:39.45 | babilen | !tell power -about bpo |
| 15:39.46 | themill | mercutio22: there is no default source.list |
| 15:40.05 | sn18 | mercutio22: not untill you had a backup |
| 15:40.34 | mercutio22 | themill: say, if I want to have the squeeze debian version. There's a standard sources.list for that right? |
| 15:40.47 | nkuttler | mercutio22: no |
| 15:40.48 | babilen | !tell mercutio22 -about sources.list |
| 15:40.48 | themill | mercutio22: no. |
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| 15:40.55 | jelly-home | power: you could try your luck with a 2.6.30 build from backports, or use a kernel from etch |
| 15:41.12 | jelly-home | has given up on sparc |
| 15:41.15 | babilen | mercutio22: ah - squeeze.. sorry for the spam |
| 15:41.32 | cantido | jelly-home: 32bit? |
| 15:41.45 | jelly-home | cantido: all of it |
| 15:42.09 | cantido | I thought recent stuff was broken on 32bit sparc, but the 64bit stuff was ok |
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| 15:42.44 | jelly-home | where recent ~ last 3-4 years, yes |
| 15:42.58 | cantido | as bad as m68k then :/ |
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| 15:44.22 | jelly-home | $employer has moved most of the stuff from sun machines to linux, and I wholly support the move. |
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| 15:45.53 | mercutio22 | just confirming, in the contrib lines, do I have to swap stable with testing? |
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| 15:46.02 | mercutio22 | I am using testing |
| 15:46.31 | azeem_ | w17 |
| 15:46.32 | azeem_ | oops |
| 15:46.35 | jelly-home | mercutio22: eh, just add " contrib" to the line where you only have "main" |
| 15:46.48 | jelly-home | lines* |
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| 15:48.50 | power | is it possible to select kernel2.4 on lenny installation ? |
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| 15:50.35 | jelly-home | power: no |
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| 16:04.37 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 16:04.37 | dpkg | <js_> is it very unsafe to resize my / partition with parted while its mounted? |
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| 16:20.03 | dclarke | morning #debian |
| 16:20.30 | scorpion | evening |
| 16:20.31 | babilen | good evening ;-) |
| 16:20.48 | dclarke | thinks "damn internet" |
| 16:20.57 | dclarke | good "insert timezone here" |
| 16:20.59 | dclarke | ha |
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| 16:24.01 | liable | diddy: installed or not? |
| 16:24.05 | liable | bah |
| 16:24.09 | liable | dclarke: ^^ |
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| 16:25.20 | dclarke | hi there |
| 16:25.25 | diddy | liable? |
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| 16:25.32 | dclarke | well .. I just went and checked .. everything is installed |
| 16:25.39 | dclarke | diddy: he meant me .. |
| 16:25.41 | liable | diddy: wrong nick, apologies |
| 16:25.56 | mercutio22 | Dang I can't donwload anything from any browser. An error message says I can't change the contents of the /tmp folder |
| 16:25.56 | dclarke | liable: however I did get a big nasty warning that no kernel is installed |
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| 16:26.16 | dclarke | liable: so I did this in busybox : chroot /target |
| 16:26.16 | liable | dclarke: does it boot? |
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| 16:26.27 | dclarke | liable:have not attempted boot yet |
| 16:26.30 | dclarke | am still in the installer |
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| 16:27.12 | dclarke | I justfinished running apt-get install linux-image-2.6-powerpc |
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| 16:27.29 | dclarke | which tossed a pile of errors about /proc/modules not existing |
| 16:27.44 | liable | exit the installer. let it do whatever it does, then reboot and chroot in and use dpkg to install the kernel |
| 16:27.52 | mercutio22 | ok.. somehow my permissions where messed up. I hope thats the only folder |
| 16:27.53 | dclarke | if it reboots |
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| 16:28.12 | dclarke | liable: my concern is that is won't boot at all because that driver will be missing or similar |
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| 16:28.29 | dclarke | liable: I still have to figure what to do with the ffour files it stuck in /boot |
| 16:28.55 | dclarke | things like System.map-2.6.26-2-powerpc |
| 16:29.05 | dclarke | and config-2.6.26-2-powerpc |
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| 16:29.21 | dclarke | and initrd.img-2.6.26-2-powerpc |
| 16:29.26 | liable | dclarke: it wont boot of course. reboot with the installer in rescue mode, and a kernel .deb on media and chroot into your new system and install the kernel, run grub, reboot |
| 16:29.35 | dclarke | the last one is vmlinux-2.6.26-2-powerpc |
| 16:29.43 | jelly-home | grub does ppc? |
| 16:29.57 | dclarke | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.00 | liable | not sure, does it? |
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| 16:30.14 | dclarke | jelly-home: I did a GRUB2 port years ago for ppc, so yes |
| 16:30.22 | liable | dclarke: jeez, you take so long to do this! |
| 16:30.34 | jelly-home | dclarke: you're weird. :-) |
| 16:30.38 | dclarke | liable: I had to stop and do something else .. like sleep |
| 16:30.39 | liable | its annoying me not to see it done! |
| 16:30.43 | dclarke | me too |
| 16:30.46 | dclarke | me too man |
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| 16:31.51 | liable | i just want you to finish it, then i can ignore your nick in this channel :) |
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| 16:32.08 | dclarke | oh |
| 16:32.14 | liable | now, everytime i see it, i want to know whats up.. |
| 16:32.16 | dclarke | feels like a wart now |
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| 16:32.37 | dclarke | I went to the installer and selected "finish the installation" |
| 16:32.46 | jelly-home | bad news: got a ext4 error out of nowhere on a backported 2.6.30 kernel. good news: fsck -f on a 4e6 inode sized filesystem took 30seconds |
| 16:32.48 | dclarke | its doing .. things |
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| 16:33.07 | liable | jelly-home: silly you using ext4 :P |
| 16:33.20 | _SKiTZO | i tried installing kerberos while following a howto. however i screwed up and now i want to try again. however after apt-get removeing all the packages and starting fresh i wasn't asked the same questions |
| 16:33.21 | jelly-home | liable: that's what everyone's telling me! |
| 16:33.24 | liable | !snss |
| 16:33.25 | dclarke | system is attempting to reboot |
| 16:33.32 | liable | fucking hell |
| 16:33.34 | jelly-home | it's just sns |
| 16:33.34 | _SKiTZO | how can i remove ALL the traces of a package and not just hte software |
| 16:33.35 | _SKiTZO | ? |
| 16:33.45 | jelly-home | and yeh yeh... |
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| 16:33.51 | liable | i'm sick of people deleting the fucking factoids! |
| 16:33.59 | jelly-home | !sns |
| 16:33.59 | dpkg | sns syndrome is, like, a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 16:34.20 | jelly-home | must be my /. reader card |
| 16:34.20 | liable | breathes a sigh of relief |
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| 16:36.20 | _SKiTZO | im thankfull that people are wiling to risk their data trying out SNS otherwise new bugs would not be discovered so that the SNS can become DOS (Dull Old Shite) |
| 16:36.21 | _SKiTZO | hehe |
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| 16:36.28 | themill | _SKiTZO: "aptitude purge packagename" will remove all system files related to the package. There might still be stuff in $HOME though. |
| 16:36.40 | _SKiTZO | themill: ah ok |
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| 16:36.51 | liable | or /etc if it has a dir |
| 16:37.28 | _SKiTZO | 'tis kerberos 5 which im trying to install and it seems to leave files beheind in /etc and in /etc/init.d |
| 16:37.33 | _SKiTZO | and so on |
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| 16:38.14 | themill | _SKiTZO: "remove" is different to "purge", but note that neither will remove any files you created manually in /etc/packagename/ etc. |
| 16:39.04 | _SKiTZO | ah ok |
| 16:39.15 | _SKiTZO | ill definitely purge their asses out of my fs |
| 16:39.32 | liable | o_0 |
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| 16:40.25 | dclarke | attempting to boot .. no filesystem recognized |
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| 16:41.26 | dclarke | nope .. can't boot from the harddisk |
| 16:41.36 | dclarke | back to the install media I gues |
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| 16:45.43 | elli222 | Hmm, why does empathy only have 3 different account options, even when i've installed things like telepathy-butterfly and telepathy-haze. I've even restarted dbus to no avil. |
| 16:46.18 | mmu_screen | apparently ddrescue is /bin/dd_rescue, and gddrescue is /bin/ddrescue |
| 16:46.21 | mmu_screen | how logical ;) |
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| 16:49.58 | norbert_ | hi, I'm trying to find out what package the gnome-display-properties is part of |
| 16:50.14 | norbert_ | I tried apt-file search gnome-display-properties, but this doesn't give me the information |
| 16:50.35 | norbert_ | can someone tell me what I should do instead and why that command doesn't work? |
| 16:50.46 | jelly-home | mmu_screen: you mean, other distros call ddrescue ddrescue? |
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| 16:51.21 | KnuckOne | norbert_: gnome-control-center |
| 16:51.38 | leejongwook | tried ubuntu-9.10 a little bit, wasn't good enough to use |
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| 16:51.51 | dclarke | boots from the install media ... again |
| 16:51.53 | themill | norbert_: you perhaps need to run "apt-file update" if you didn't get any results. |
| 16:51.58 | leejongwook | came back to debian with gdm @_@ |
| 16:52.05 | norbert_ | KnuckOne: thanks |
| 16:52.10 | norbert_ | themill: ok, I'll give that a try |
| 16:52.42 | KnuckOne | in the worst case, check @ packages.debian.org |
| 16:52.45 | norbert_ | themill: that worked, thanks |
| 16:53.43 | mmu_screen | jelly-home: no, as I said earlier, there are both a ddrescue and gddrescue package in debian |
| 16:53.57 | jelly-home | mmu_screen: I know there are. |
| 16:54.01 | mmu_screen | the later being a GNU reimplementation or lookalike it seems |
| 16:54.12 | jelly-home | dislikes the gnu one |
| 16:54.13 | mmu_screen | I just find it really logical :) |
| 16:54.27 | mmu_screen | well I failed to find what their diff are :p |
| 16:54.34 | mmu_screen | does it work at least ? |
| 16:54.43 | mmu_screen | since I'm about to run it |
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| 16:56.28 | jelly-home | whether it'll work depends more on the dying hardware than on the software itself |
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| 16:57.23 | mmu_screen | well I tried cloning the hdd of my old laptop to virtualise it on my shiny new Mac (I've been hypnotized) |
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| 16:57.31 | mmu_screen | but it seems to have some hw errors |
| 16:57.42 | mmu_screen | I tried several ways with dd but well |
| 16:58.26 | mmu_screen | dd if=/dev/hdc bs=2M conv=noerror,sync | nc themac 12345 |
| 16:58.36 | mmu_screen | didn't work too well, the result is too big |
| 16:58.38 | mmu_screen | anyway |
| 16:58.47 | _klamath_ | little question. My debian Lenny 5.03 doesn't see the sd-card when I insert it ( nothing in /var/log/messagges ) but if I boot with the card inside, it sees it correctly. Any configuration to make to let it sees it while running ? |
| 16:59.00 | mmu_screen | the fact that the GNU version insists on K=1000 makes me think it's bad :p |
| 16:59.03 | leejongwook | dd ! |
| 16:59.13 | mmu_screen | (no way, not until the US switches to metric system!) |
| 16:59.31 | leejongwook | i screwed up my backup hard disk drive with ''dd'' command before |
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| 16:59.58 | mmu_screen | well better read the line 3 or 4 times to make sure of=whatyouwant |
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| 17:00.24 | leejongwook | well i copied the command from firefox and pasted on terminal and.. |
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| 17:00.40 | leejongwook | it executed automatically |
| 17:01.38 | leejongwook | :P and i was root |
| 17:01.47 | leejongwook | dang |
| 17:01.49 | mmu_screen | eh, pasting LF... |
| 17:01.55 | leejongwook | yes |
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| 17:02.26 | leejongwook | now my root prompt is red colored, so i can see it better |
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| 17:02.35 | jpinx-eeepc | mmu_screen: gddrescue is based on an old and pretty bad dd_rescue - you need ddrescue |
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| 17:03.21 | mmu_screen | ah ok thx |
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| 17:04.06 | jpinx-eeepc | mmu_screen: but it depends on what you are trying to rescue |
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| 17:04.31 | WhiteCrow1 | hi guy's |
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| 17:05.02 | sshc | update-alternatives: error: alternative link /usr/bin/x-www-browser is already managed by x-www-browser. |
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| 17:05.06 | sshc | dpkg: error processing opera (--configure): |
| 17:05.06 | dpkg | sshc: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 17:05.31 | WhiteCrow1 | i want wine ver1.1.33 how can i do for get this ? |
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| 17:06.35 | WhiteCrow1 | guy's plz help me |
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| 17:06.48 | babilen | judd: versions wine |
| 17:06.49 | judd | babilen: wine -- etch: 0.9.25-2.1 etch-backports: 1.0.0-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.0.1-1 sid: 1.0.1-2 squeeze: 1.0.1-2 experimental: 1.1.24-2 |
| 17:07.07 | themill | judd versions wine-unstable |
| 17:07.07 | judd | themill: wine-unstable -- sid: 1.1.32-1 |
| 17:07.23 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: Go to winehq.org and download it for Debian lenny, it works fine and you don't need any special setup. |
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| 17:08.01 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: i must download all of wine in there ? |
| 17:08.05 | rudi_s | By the way, you should be a little more patient, one minute is nothing on IRC. It can take some time (half an hour) before you get an answer, were not always active. |
| 17:08.12 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: It's only one file. |
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| 17:08.35 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: no wine wine-dev and ... |
| 17:08.56 | mmu_screen | hmm vlc doesn't like dd_rescue |
| 17:08.57 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: Go there: http://lamaresh.net/binary.php and download the latest version for lenny. |
| 17:09.13 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: Here are the instructions: http://www.winehq.org/download/deblenny |
| 17:09.18 | mmu_screen | but even if it's hogging the IDE bug why would it stop it from playing a network stream anyway ? |
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| 17:09.45 | mmu_screen | *sigh* linux is not desktop ready ;) |
| 17:09.58 | jelly-home | mmu_screen: ORLY |
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| 17:10.59 | jpinx-eeepc | mmu_screen: what are you trying to do with ddrescue and vlc??? |
| 17:11.11 | holmgren | mmu_screen: Why do you say linux is not desktop ready? |
| 17:11.58 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders if mmu_screen is computer ready? |
| 17:12.03 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: i confuse because i first do it >> sudo aptiude pruage wine and second i install wine ver 1.1.33 and now wine not exist in app>>sys tools ? |
| 17:12.05 | WhiteCrow1 | !!! |
| 17:12.05 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
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| 17:15.17 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: How did you install it? |
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| 17:15.31 | rudi_s | Does dpkg -L wine give you something? |
| 17:15.42 | dclarke | lets out a little scream |
| 17:16.07 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: sudp dpkg -i wine |
| 17:16.10 | dclarke | liable: that which worked before .. no longer does. I can not add the pata_mpc52xx module to the installer it seems |
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| 17:16.31 | themill | WhiteCrow1: the wine entry in the menu is useless though. You'd be better off seeing if it was installed by typing "wine" at the terminal prompt. |
| 17:16.31 | dclarke | liable: via busybox I mean |
| 17:16.36 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: sudo dpkg -i wine-1.1.33.deb ? |
| 17:16.54 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: yes |
| 17:17.13 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: jus install wine no dev no lib and no more |
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| 17:18.03 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: Do you get something with dpkg -L wine? |
| 17:18.59 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: no what's this command dpkg -L ? and what's means ? |
| 17:19.22 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: This gives you all the files installed by the package wine, you should either get a warning or a long list of files. |
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| 17:20.16 | _klamath_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:20.50 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: ok i now test it and say u Results , plz wait |
| 17:21.12 | jetscreamer | you have to mount it |
| 17:21.57 | _klamath_ | jetscreamer> I don't see it with 'fdisk -l', I cannot mount it |
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| 17:22.43 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: pastebin the dmesg of a plugin event |
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| 17:22.54 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: but in my desktop exist wine1.1.33.deb |
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| 17:23.36 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc> did a 'tail -f /var/log/messagges' and inserted the card, but no events |
| 17:23.45 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: and then install wine ver 1.1.33 ? |
| 17:23.45 | themill | WhiteCrow1: can you open a terminal for us and copy and paste the output of "wine --version" for us? |
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| 17:24.04 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: First you have to check if wine was installed, that's what dpkg -L wine is for; if you get a warning "Package 'wine' not installed" then something is wrong, otherwise wine is installed. |
| 17:24.31 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: did a 'tail -f /var/log/messagges' and inserted the card, but no events |
| 17:24.50 | WhiteCrow1 | themill: rudi_s: plz see >> Package `wine-bin' does not contain any files (!) |
| 17:25.03 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: I have told you wnat to do - it's up to you now |
| 17:25.14 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: Just wine, not wine bin! |
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| 17:25.38 | valdyn | WhiteCrow1: theres plenty packages that dont contain files. |
| 17:25.39 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: ops sorry :D |
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| 17:26.03 | WhiteCrow1 | Package `wine' is not installed. |
| 17:26.04 | WhiteCrow1 | Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files, |
| 17:26.04 | WhiteCrow1 | and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. |
| 17:26.12 | jpinx-eeepc | !paste |
| 17:26.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 17:26.29 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: All right, then you have to install it, sudo dpkg -i path/to/wine-1.13.deb |
| 17:26.38 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: excuse me but what dou you mean with " ... of a plugin event " ? do I have to plug it and then pastebin the entire dmesg ? |
| 17:26.53 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: yes |
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| 17:27.33 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: sorry for my ? , i copy and past this command in terminal ? |
| 17:27.47 | BenBE | Is there some command line way to get the contents (Track information, File system type/size) of an ISO file? |
| 17:27.47 | hark | WhiteCrow1: don't install wine from random debs, get it from the repository instead |
| 17:28.08 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: Partly, sudo dpkg -i and then you have to enter the path to the wine .deb file. |
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| 17:28.19 | themill | forces hark to read all the scrollback |
| 17:28.25 | rudi_s | Easiest is to cd to the directory where you have it and then use tab completion. |
| 17:28.31 | hark | themill: again? :/ |
| 17:28.34 | rudi_s | WhiteCrow1: Ignore hark's suggestion. |
| 17:28.37 | themill | :) |
| 17:28.37 | jpinx-eeepc | loves weekends :/ |
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| 17:28.43 | SparFux | Hi all. |
| 17:28.44 | themill | BenBE: isoinfo perhaps? |
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| 17:29.05 | WhiteCrow1 | rudi_s: ok |
| 17:29.21 | lfaraone | Is there a way to use the custom XKeyboardConfig keymap at http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config/tree/symbols/olpc for console sessions? |
| 17:29.23 | dclarke | is there a way to tell modprobe where to look for a module ? a driver I mean ? |
| 17:29.36 | mercutio22 | Something really weird is happening. I installed firefox from the mozilla website. If launch it from the command line everything is fine. If launch from the launcher I created (which calls the same command) firefox starts with no icons |
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| 17:29.58 | valdyn | dclarke: why dont you just copy the driver to where its looking already? |
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| 17:30.05 | themill | dclarke: if you need to do that, then things are unhappy... insmod and/or depmod might be what you need to do. |
| 17:30.09 | SparFux | dclark: give the absolut path on command line? |
| 17:31.00 | WhiteCrow1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.05 | hark | oh so we support lamaresh.net packages as well now. great |
| 17:31.16 | dclarke | I tried depmod -Aa |
| 17:31.20 | themill | hark: not usually, no... |
| 17:31.48 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: just a minute, jpinx-eeepc, I'm doing |
| 17:31.53 | dclarke | I copyied the driver to /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-powerpc/kernel/drivers/ata |
| 17:32.03 | themill | hark: but we usually do provide some support for users who manage to fail at "dpkg -i foo.deb". |
| 17:32.18 | BenBE | themill isoinfo only gives files stored in the ISO AFAIC, doesn't it? I need especially Audio CD vs. Data CD, other iso format |
| 17:32.19 | valdyn | dclarke: that + depmod -a is all you need to modprobe to find it |
| 17:32.22 | dclarke | valdyn: what am I doing wrong there ? |
| 17:32.35 | mercutio22 | I know what happened |
| 17:32.41 | valdyn | dclarke: but maybe its not a proper kernel module |
| 17:32.49 | mercutio22 | I was using firefox as root when I installed the addons |
| 17:32.50 | mercutio22 | damn |
| 17:32.53 | themill | BenBE: audio cds aren't an iso format though |
| 17:32.56 | dclarke | darn .. works for you ! |
| 17:33.02 | dclarke | I swear I did that |
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| 17:33.11 | WhiteCrow1 | soory for dc |
| 17:33.21 | NICOLASCAGE | nigga plz |
| 17:33.25 | dclarke | and lsmod reported no change .. then I do depmod -a and not -Aa and it works |
| 17:33.29 | themill | NICOLASCAGE: ? |
| 17:33.36 | valdyn | !ops NICOLASCAGE |
| 17:33.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: valdyn complains about: NICOLASCAGE |
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| 17:33.55 | dclarke | I'm happy it works .. now then the next issue .. how the heck do I install a bootable kernel into this thing |
| 17:34.02 | NICOLASCAGE | :dpkg!n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg PRIVMSG #debian :Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: valdyn complains about: NICOLASCAGE |
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| 17:34.53 | BenBE | themill Well, to be a bit more specific: I get some NRG-files (managed to convert them to .iso for burning already) but would like to show some stats (Audio disc\Data Disc), size and so on to the user before burning. |
| 17:35.09 | dclarke | has been working in this install for 48 hours now. possibly a world record |
| 17:35.16 | valdyn | BenBE: an iso has no cd audio tracks at all |
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| 17:36.03 | BenBE | valdyn But you know, what I mean? |
| 17:36.14 | valdyn | BenBE: no, because it doesnt make sense at all |
| 17:36.14 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc:ok, done http://pastebin.com/d3280926d |
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| 17:37.47 | valdyn | BenBE: its always "data", its size is the filesize ( + padding if you want ) |
| 17:38.23 | BenBE | valdyn I get some NRG files (from Nero, burned images) that are compilations to create audio CDs or Data CDs written as disc-images into a file. The Shell Script I'm working on should now have a short look to give some minimum information about that file. |
| 17:39.13 | valdyn | BenBE: you cannot generally "convert an .nrg to an .iso" |
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| 17:39.35 | BenBE | i.e. it should output does this image file create a playable audio CD (and if so show the tracks it consists of) or is this a data CD (showing file system contents works with isoinfo, thx for that tip) |
| 17:39.46 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: what is your problem - it is attached at sdg |
| 17:40.10 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: No thats is an external hd |
| 17:40.11 | BenBE | valdyn Why not? nrg2iso helps so far what I need. |
| 17:40.14 | themill | BenBE: have you tried burning one of these iso images to see if it created an audio cd that is playable? |
| 17:40.32 | valdyn | BenBE: thats coincidence that your .nrg was not an image of an audio cd |
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| 17:41.06 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: in that casse it is not being seen |
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| 17:41.42 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: yes, but if I boot with it inside, it is seen from the system |
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| 17:41.58 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: hardware issues |
| 17:42.15 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: try other usb sockets? |
| 17:42.36 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: but with elive ( a debian based distribution ) I had it correctly |
| 17:42.56 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: what is an usb sockets ? |
| 17:43.20 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: what is the device? |
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| 17:43.35 | dclarke | question: is there a way to specify to the bootloader that a driver needs to be loaded as a module at boottime? |
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| 17:43.59 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: it is a desktop built-in multi card-reader |
| 17:44.06 | dclarke | scans http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/powerpc/ch05s03.html.en |
| 17:44.29 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: so it is not removeable? |
| 17:44.30 | d1b | dclarke: if it has to be there at boot time, compile it into the kernel. |
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| 17:44.55 | dclarke | d1b: that can only be done IF I can make this box bootable such that I can compile a kernel |
| 17:45.03 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: no, the device itself no, I insert the sd-card |
| 17:45.10 | d1b | dclarke: nope :) |
| 17:45.16 | d1b | you can cross-compile. |
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| 17:45.46 | dclarke | d1b: this is a chicken and the egg scenario, this box will only boot from the install media and then I need to add a kernel module for the disk controller because the Debian 5.0.3 installer is missing the driver |
| 17:46.15 | dclarke | d1b: cross compile would be a nightmare .. given that the next server I have access to is a Solaris box |
| 17:46.42 | d1b | yes slowaris isn't good at this :) |
| 17:47.02 | dclarke | solaris you mean |
| 17:47.17 | d1b | no :) |
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| 17:47.34 | knubbze | penny lane is in my ears |
| 17:47.36 | knubbze | and in my eyes |
| 17:47.36 | dclarke | whatever .. you live in the past on that one .. anyways .. not relevant here |
| 17:47.38 | knubbze | here beneath the blue |
| 17:47.44 | knubbze | suburban skies i sit and meanwhile back |
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| 17:48.14 | d1b | dclarke: sure. do you know the module tho ? |
| 17:48.26 | themill | dclarke: do you need to put this module in the initramfs? |
| 17:48.37 | dclarke | sets ignore knubbze |
| 17:48.59 | dclarke | themill: I'm not too sure of the implications of the question .. but I am guessing yes |
| 17:49.05 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: you can see it from row 756 to 767 of mine pastebin |
| 17:49.07 | jpinx-eeepc | !ops knubbze garbage |
| 17:49.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jpinx-eeepc complains about: knubbze garbage |
| 17:49.08 | mmu_screen | jpinx-eeepc: I write software, so I'm probably biased. |
| 17:49.22 | themill | dclarke, jpinx-eeepc: chanserv has already done that for you. |
| 17:49.28 | mmu_screen | jpinx-eeepc: I was trying to watch tv at the same time (Freebox "multiposte" mpeg2 streaming) |
| 17:49.29 | dclarke | d1b: the module is pata_mpc52xx.ko which never made it to the PPC installer for some reason |
| 17:49.35 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: Ooops sorry |
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| 17:50.04 | dclarke | what was that noise ? |
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| 17:50.32 | d1b | dclarke: apparently newer debian kernels have it ... |
| 17:50.37 | dclarke | oh well ... I am into the professional heavy weight hours on this install now, well into 48 hours and not giving up |
| 17:50.55 | dclarke | d1b: no .. its in 2.6.24 upwards |
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| 17:51.10 | dclarke | d1b: in fact .. it has been around for years |
| 17:51.12 | d1b | dclarke: yes. |
| 17:51.33 | d1b | it would seem so. |
| 17:51.40 | dclarke | d1b: just .. the network drivers made it to the Debian 5.0.3 installer but not the ata driver, that's a installer bug |
| 17:52.00 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: dunno then - it seems to be an issue of the card insertion not being recognised, try inserting the card and remount the entire device |
| 17:52.11 | BenBE | valdyn I just tried nrg2iso with an Audio CD NRG image file ... No problem converting; yet not burned yet ... |
| 17:52.31 | dclarke | anyways ... I am resorting to miserable strange attempts to boot this box now after the network install has completed with all the goodies in the root fs ... I manually copied the bootable kernel from the install media over to /boot |
| 17:52.46 | BenBE | themill not yet |
| 17:52.57 | d1b | dclarke: odd. no idea. try modprobing it perhaps. /recompile foo. |
| 17:53.03 | dclarke | but I *know* that will not work because the ata driver is missing from the bootable kernel on the install media |
| 17:53.19 | dclarke | d1b: I can not compile unless I can boot |
| 17:53.23 | jpinx-eeepc | mmu_screen: what were you trying to rescue? |
| 17:53.29 | d1b | dclarke: nfs mount ? |
| 17:53.32 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: I cannot mount "the entire device " I can mount the sd-card that I insert |
| 17:53.47 | d1b | i don't think that is possible acctually /not sure. |
| 17:54.10 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: isn't there some module I have to download ? |
| 17:54.15 | dclarke | d1b: let me try the socratic method : how would I compile this ? Also NFB boot is out of the question .. how would I mount the root fs over NFS from a Solaris box at boot time ? |
| 17:54.17 | _klamath_ | jpinx-eeepc: isn't there some module I have to load ? |
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| 17:55.31 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: not sure about modules - you're past my experience now - sorry |
| 17:55.38 | dclarke | goes to look at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html |
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| 17:56.27 | dclarke | I *feel* ( without any proof of course ) that the Linux kernel *should* ( another guess ) be able to read a kernel module from the boot fs at boot time and use it IF given the correct instructions on the kernel BootPrompt |
| 17:57.06 | justinc226 | Hello. I'm having an issue where I've replaced my network card and the new network card is taking the same interface (eth0) but it fails to start. |
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| 17:57.18 | justinc226 | Is anyone able to give me a hand? |
| 17:57.56 | dclarke | justinc226: I'll take a guess here. Same type of network card? |
| 17:58.01 | justinc226 | Nope. |
| 17:58.02 | jpinx-eeepc | _klamath_: line 756 says it's there, and line 762 says it's at sdc |
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| 17:58.19 | justinc226 | One was an intel onboard that was having an error, the new one is a pci RHINE II based card |
| 17:58.25 | dclarke | justinc226: so the network card brand has changed ? { YES | NO } |
| 17:58.30 | justinc226 | Yes |
| 17:58.35 | dclarke | ah ha ! |
| 17:58.37 | groton | how to avoid that vlc open all the movie/images on an plugged usb key? |
| 17:58.39 | dclarke | got a driver for it ? |
| 17:58.52 | mmu_screen | jpinx-eeepc: my old laptop's hdd |
| 17:58.55 | justinc226 | I currently don't, but it was recognized in the dmesg |
| 17:59.10 | mmu_screen | it just has some bad sectors and still works but I want to clone it to virtualize it |
| 17:59.11 | oggei | hi |
| 17:59.15 | jpinx-eeepc | mmu_screen: ok - and do you have a copy of it already? |
| 17:59.16 | dclarke | justinc226: the hardware was recognized or the driver was ? Whick one? |
| 17:59.34 | dclarke | justinc226: I mean .. you may see a message about /pci@8000/foo etc network card |
| 17:59.37 | mmu_screen | jpinx-eeepc: would I need dd_rescue then ? |
| 17:59.41 | jpinx-eeepc | mmu_screen: dd the whole drive somewhere to work on |
| 17:59.42 | dclarke | justinc226: and still have no driver for that hardware |
| 17:59.53 | jpinx-eeepc | mmu_screen: proably not a rescue job at all |
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| 18:00.31 | mmu_screen | yeah I tried this already but it didn't work well through netcat |
| 18:00.49 | justinc226 | Oh. Thanks for the help with that. I'll look for the driver now. :) |
| 18:00.49 | buckfast | well, my debian box seems to have crashed, no response with mouse activity, ssh connection has dropped |
| 18:00.51 | buckfast | what to do |
| 18:01.11 | jpinx-eeepc | mmu_screen: don't complicate things - just do dd if=/dev/old/drive of=/copy/of/old/drive |
| 18:01.30 | buckfast | cant switch between sessions with ctrl+alt+f* |
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| 18:01.52 | jpinx-eeepc | buckfast: can you ping it by name or IP? |
| 18:01.52 | dclarke | hrmm ... he left |
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| 18:02.48 | jpinx-eeepc | buckfast: how remote is it - feet, yards, miles...? |
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| 18:03.27 | buckfast | its right here |
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| 18:03.46 | jpinx-eeepc | buckfast: can you ping it by name or IP? |
| 18:03.50 | buckfast | ping doesnt respond |
| 18:04.01 | jpinx-eeepc | buckfast: reboot it |
| 18:04.34 | buckfast | so, its hopeless? no key combinations that could save it? |
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| 18:04.55 | mmu_screen | jpinx-eeepc: I did this, dd stops with an I/O error at 17GB |
| 18:04.55 | jpinx-eeepc | buckfast: what's to save? |
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| 18:05.10 | jpinx-eeepc | mmu_screen: ok - then you have to rescue it |
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| 18:05.16 | buckfast | nothing important |
| 18:05.17 | mmu_screen | :P |
| 18:05.25 | buckfast | but what could have caused it |
| 18:05.30 | dclarke | question: what rev of linux kernel is used in the Debian 5.0.3 installer? Is it linux-2.6.26 or is it linux-2.6.26.1 or .2 etc ? |
| 18:05.43 | jpinx-eeepc | mmu_screen: did you look for the raw text reading package - I can not remember the name |
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| 18:05.56 | jpinx-eeepc | buckfast: reboot and read the logs |
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| 18:06.46 | buckfast | which log exactly |
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| 18:07.15 | jpinx-eeepc | buckfast: /var/log/syslog |
| 18:07.17 | xyan | how do i use that new juju firewire stack network module, im used to asign a ip on the local and remote end (using eth1394) and things worked out, now i modprobed firewire-net configured the devices and nothing happens? |
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| 18:11.55 | babilen | buckfast: already rebooted? |
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| 18:13.54 | dclarke | okay, this is a bold statement here, I have a initrd on /boot ( filename initrd.img-2.6.26-2-powerpc ) and I would like to think that thing is bootable. It was placed there by apt-get install kernel-foo-magic |
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| 18:14.49 | dclarke | the question is ... is that pata_mpc52xx driver in there .. or am I screwed again and this box is not bootable? |
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| 18:14.51 | aalex | hi |
| 18:15.04 | xyan | dclarke: http://merkel.debian.org/~jurij/ |
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| 18:15.19 | aalex | What do I put in my debian control file if my package can depend on 2 different package - one or the other ? |
| 18:15.32 | aalex | and they conflict one each other |
| 18:15.32 | xyan | dclarke: you can grep for it in the config laying in /boot as well |
| 18:15.50 | dclarke | xyan: awesome .. thank you ! |
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| 18:16.32 | dclarke | xyan: a "config laying "?? laying in /boot ? |
| 18:16.44 | valdyn | aalex: dependencies do support the logical or |
| 18:16.54 | xyan | there should be a /boot/config-2.6.26-2-powerpc file |
| 18:16.57 | babilen | aalex: #debian-mentors@OFTC and it is "or" |
| 18:17.01 | dclarke | xyan: ah .. I see a .. yes that is there |
| 18:17.16 | dclarke | xyan: that is just a greppable text file ? |
| 18:17.20 | dclarke | xyan: I'll look |
| 18:17.31 | oggei | dclarke: debian kernel packages initrd are generated by initramfs-tools or similar by a postinst hook |
| 18:17.58 | oggei | so usually they contains at least needed modules to boot |
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| 18:18.37 | buckfast | babilen: yes |
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| 18:18.46 | Signius | Is there a way to install the nvidia drivers during the debian 5.03 install ? |
| 18:19.16 | jpinx-eeepc | !nvidia |
| 18:19.16 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 18:19.21 | babilen | buckfast: next time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key might save a little corruption :-) |
| 18:19.24 | dclarke | oggei: well I can confirm that grep 52xx /target//boot/config-2.6.26-2-powerpc contains a "m" module entry for the CONFIG_PATA_MPC52xx device |
| 18:20.11 | buckfast | it crashed again! |
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| 18:21.13 | babilen | buckfast: then you can try it now ;-) But you either have some really shitty software running (flash?) or hardware problems |
| 18:21.31 | oggei | dclarke: if relevant initrd is generated on the same machine where it will have to boot you're probably ok |
| 18:21.50 | buckfast | which key should itry |
| 18:21.51 | dclarke | strangely http://merkel.debian.org/~jurij/2.6.26-2/powerpc/ refers to config for config-2.6.26-1 and not config-2.6.26-2 <-- note the trailing 2 |
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| 18:22.05 | oggei | you can investigate initramfs-tools and similar |
| 18:22.16 | dclarke | oggei: this is running in busybox via the installer and I have never seen it boot otherwise |
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| 18:22.35 | dclarke | oggei: so tools like initramfs-tools do not exist |
| 18:22.56 | dclarke | oggei: and I can not do much other than chroot /target and then try to install a bootable kernel |
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| 18:23.00 | babilen | buckfast: start with: ALT+PRINT+k |
| 18:23.04 | oggei | if you're installing, just goin on w/ installer :P |
| 18:23.28 | dclarke | I don't understand "just goin on w/ installer" ? |
| 18:23.54 | dclarke | oh .. you suggest that the installer should install a kernel for me? Well, no, it doesn't. been there, done that |
| 18:24.01 | oggei | dclarke: if you're installing just go on with installer, everything should go fine |
| 18:24.06 | oggei | ah, ok |
| 18:24.11 | babilen | buckfast: the ones that provide information about the state of the system might also be of interest |
| 18:24.39 | dclarke | oggei: I get told rather bluntly that there is no bootable kernel to install on the installation media and then I have to do a chroot /target and apt-get install kernel-foo |
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| 18:25.21 | dclarke | oggei: which also seeems to fail because I am left with a machine that can not mount root at /dev/sda3 and thus ... not much good happens |
| 18:26.06 | buckfast | babilen: well i tryed alt print+k, alt print+b, alt print +o but nothing |
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| 18:26.41 | buckfast | so i'll just reset it |
| 18:26.42 | oggei | iirc debian installer puts into initrd at least modules used for install |
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| 18:27.17 | dclarke | oggei: I would hope so |
| 18:27.51 | dclarke | oggei: but for the sake of discussion, I'll try to boot that initrd file on /boot and watch it fail |
| 18:27.59 | dclarke | been there .. done that |
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| 18:28.32 | dclarke | or .. am I supposed to append a conffig=hd0:/boot/config-2.6.26-2-powerpc to the boot prompt ? |
| 18:28.34 | oggei | initrd is a filesystem, not a kernel |
| 18:28.45 | babilen | buckfast: even alt+print+b did not reboot the system? |
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| 18:28.54 | oggei | config files are there for other machinery, and for you |
| 18:29.06 | dclarke | oggei: that what good is /boot/config-2.6.26-2-powerpc file ? |
| 18:29.13 | babilen | buckfast: to reboot you do the REISUB sequence... But if +b does not work you are out of luck |
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| 18:30.09 | dclarke | I mean .. am I supposed to boot /boot/vmlinux-2.6.26-2-powerpc with some sort of pointers to System.map-2.6.26-2-powerpc and .. I don't know what else |
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| 18:30.15 | oggei | dclarke: yes, /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 18:30.33 | dclarke | oh hell |
| 18:30.39 | dclarke | oggei: I never knew that |
| 18:30.59 | dclarke | that file config-2.6.26-2-powerpc is bootable .. huh |
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| 18:31.13 | buckfast | babilen: +b didnt work |
| 18:31.14 | oggei | dclarke: files are /boot/vmlinuz-`uname -r` and /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` |
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| 18:31.32 | babilen | buckfast: you have to hold all keys at the same time and wait a little... |
| 18:31.40 | oggei | dclarke: config-blah use to be a plain text kernel config file |
| 18:31.47 | dclarke | oggei: that config file is just ASCII .. not a binary |
| 18:32.00 | babilen | buckfast: but if the kernel does not even react to that your system is *really* frozen |
| 18:32.05 | buckfast | babilen: this is the syslog from arounf the crash time : http://pastebin.com/d77a2c16b |
| 18:32.24 | dclarke | whoa .. hold on a sec .. there are *two* files needed on the boot prompt ? both /boot/vmlinuz-`uname -r` *AND* /boot/initrd.img-`uname -r` ?? |
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| 18:32.48 | dclarke | then where does that config file go ? |
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| 18:32.55 | dclarke | there are three files needed perhaps |
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| 18:34.01 | xyan | dclarke: that config file is not needed to boot just the vmlinuz file (kernel itself) and initrd.img (gzipped initrd fs holding your drivers needed for booting) |
| 18:34.05 | dclarke | really .. this is ALL very confusing |
| 18:34.12 | buckfast | and it has crashed AGAIN, holding alt+print+b is not doing anything |
| 18:34.19 | dclarke | xyan: and how does one "boot" those files ? |
| 18:34.30 | xyan | dclarke: using a bootloader like grub or lilo |
| 18:34.57 | dclarke | xyan: usually I do "boot hd:0 vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-powerpc |
| 18:35.09 | dclarke | xyan: there is no grub and no lilo not yaboot |
| 18:35.19 | dclarke | xyan: this machine has openfirmware |
| 18:35.34 | xyan | dclarke: oh well then you are on your own :/ |
| 18:35.53 | babilen | buckfast: Which Debian release are you running? Kernel version? |
| 18:35.54 | dclarke | xyan: like a SPARC machine or DEC Alpha or PowerPC there is a firmware provided ok prompt and it grok's ext2fs type filesystem to read from |
| 18:36.15 | buckfast | bablien: latest stable |
| 18:36.20 | dclarke | xyan: and this machine was running for years with Debian 4.0 |
| 18:36.40 | buckfast | debian lenny |
| 18:36.41 | dclarke | so .. it works IF I cna figure out what magic it wants at the boot prompt to load those two files |
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| 18:38.37 | babilen | buckfast: Which programs are you running when it is freezing? I would also suggest running a hardware testsuite (memtest comes to mind, ...) |
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| 18:39.59 | buckfast | babilen: i boot it up, log in and it crashes |
| 18:40.07 | buckfast | last time i had iceweasel open |
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| 18:42.19 | babilen | buckfast: That sounds like a hardware issue. You might want to verify that first. If you can find no hardware problems you can try if the issue still happens if you do not load X, then with a newer kernel ... |
| 18:42.42 | bradley | HEY, are there ANY GAY guys who wanna chat in room SHELL? If u are a gay guy, go to room shell |
| 18:43.03 | dclarke | fires a dead fish at the fag |
| 18:43.12 | bradley | Or say " I " and I will pm u! |
| 18:43.18 | babilen | buckfast: Come back after you have run memtest et al and report your findings... If that did not help anything we will help you to disable X and then to install a new kernel. And probably a few other things as well. |
| 18:43.22 | mimoel | when i try to install the latest drivers from amd for a HD4890 graphics card on 2.6.26-2-amd64 then the systems freezes when starting X |
| 18:43.46 | babilen | buckfast: Do you use any self compiled kernel modules (network, nvidia, ati, ...) ? |
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| 18:44.03 | bradley | HEY, are there ANY GAY guys who wanna chat in room SHELL? If u are a gay guy, go to room shell pleas and thanks |
| 18:44.15 | babilen | !ops bradley |
| 18:44.15 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: babilen complains about: bradley |
| 18:44.35 | bradley | Ok |
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| 18:45.01 | dclarke | thanks |
| 18:45.25 | dclarke | okay .. back to the tricks here .. I need to boot with insmod=pata_mpc52xx |
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| 18:45.43 | babilen | dclarke: It has been a long time since I played aroung with open firmware .... |
| 18:46.04 | dclarke | babilen: its dead easy .. one just types boot devicename filename options |
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| 18:46.23 | mimoel | is there any documentation how to install 3d support (more than just vesa) for a hd4890 graphics card on a 2.6.26-2-amd64 systen? |
| 18:46.25 | dclarke | in this case it is boot hd:0 vmlinux-foo options |
| 18:46.29 | babilen | dclarke: yes, sure. But I have not used it in like 2 years ... |
| 18:46.33 | dclarke | the problem is the options |
| 18:46.43 | dclarke | babilen: two years .. is nothing :-) |
| 18:46.59 | buckfast | babilen: now that I think of it, the mouse i'm using with that box, i used to use it with this box until it stopped working and hanged the system, but when i built the debian box, i tested the old mouse and it worked fine, but maybe its causing these problems now |
| 18:47.59 | babilen | buckfast: It might be related to the mouse ... but more to the hardware that communicates with it. Try it without and check your hardware... |
| 18:48.20 | babilen | dclarke: does it not accept the options? |
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| 18:49.02 | dclarke | babilen: I'm just about to try that |
| 18:49.08 | buckfast | i'm gonna remove the mouse and see if it crashes |
| 18:49.33 | dclarke | babilen: I am looking at the okay prompt .. but I am not clear on what else it needs besides the vmlinux-2.6.26-2-powerpc file |
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| 18:50.20 | buckfast | babilen: but by hardware it communicates with.. you mean memory? |
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| 18:52.12 | babilen | dclarke: IIRC you give something like path/to/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdN |
| 18:53.34 | babilen | dclarke: so that would be boot hd:0 boot/vmlinuz-2.6.??-whatever root=/dev/hdN (N == partition with root fs) |
| 18:54.08 | dclarke | exACTLY ! |
| 18:54.33 | dclarke | I just tried boot hd:0 vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-powerpc root=/dev/sda3 |
| 18:54.52 | dclarke | and was told very quickly that no filesystem recognized |
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| 18:55.08 | dclarke | that was *after* it loaded the vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-powerpc from the /boot fs |
| 18:55.12 | xyan | dclarke: because you dont load the initrd |
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| 18:55.16 | MayaT | hello |
| 18:55.20 | __dean__ | hi |
| 18:55.21 | dclarke | oh heck |
| 18:55.26 | dclarke | let me try that |
| 18:55.28 | dclarke | oopos |
| 18:55.32 | xyan | dclarke: setenv ramdisk /boot/initrd.img-XX.YY.ZZ-blabla |
| 18:55.37 | dclarke | oops <-- there .. I can't even spell |
| 18:55.48 | dclarke | setenv ramdisk ? |
| 18:55.50 | dclarke | okay |
| 18:55.52 | dclarke | I'll do that |
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| 18:56.41 | dclarke | setenv says no such configuration variable |
| 18:56.50 | xyan | hrm |
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| 18:57.02 | xyan | isnt there a builtin "help" command? |
| 18:57.31 | dclarke | xyan: not really .. no |
| 18:57.36 | xyan | that sucks |
| 18:57.45 | dclarke | but in the past with Debian 4.0 I set boot-command to the string |
| 18:57.50 | dclarke | and it worked for years |
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| 18:59.14 | dclarke | boot hd:0 initrd.img-2.6.26-2-powerpc root=/dev/sda3 |
| 18:59.31 | dclarke | fails with "error: no filesystem recognized" |
| 18:59.41 | dclarke | but it does load that initrd |
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| 19:02.54 | babilen | dclarke: you don't use yaboot? |
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| 19:03.58 | dclarke | babilen: I'd love to ... but it is not installed here |
| 19:04.08 | dclarke | babilen: the installer did not install it |
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| 19:04.27 | Mr_Queue | what bot spits out available versions of packages? |
| 19:04.49 | dclarke | babilen: do you suppose that I have to boot the installation CDROM ( again ) and then try to install yaboot ? |
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| 19:05.24 | djp_ | should i have /dev/mixer? when i try to increase volume using cplay, it tells me "no such file/directory" |
| 19:06.28 | dclarke | funny .. there are instructions for how to install SUSE on this box at http://www.powerdeveloper.org/asset/by-id/51 |
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| 19:09.51 | TheJoe | Hm, anyone know anything about mozconfig? Do you really have to specify *everything* you could possibly want? |
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| 19:11.32 | babilen | Mr_Queue: /msg judd versions pkg |
| 19:11.49 | Mr_Queue | ah ha judd... thanks again babilen |
| 19:12.02 | buckfast | babilen: well i removed the mouse, got longer uptime this time but the system still crashed, however alt+b+sysrq works now |
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| 19:12.24 | babilen | dclarke: might be an idea. So you installed Debian and rebooted and were greeted with that error msg? |
| 19:12.50 | babilen | buckfast: test your ram |
| 19:12.52 | dclarke | well, sort of. the machine reboots and you see the post messages and then a ok prompt |
| 19:12.56 | dclarke | that is the firmware |
| 19:13.04 | dclarke | theen one types a boot command |
| 19:13.07 | dclarke | and waits |
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| 19:13.23 | dclarke | boot hd:0 somefile someoptions |
| 19:13.53 | dclarke | in every case .. I get "no filesystem recognized" *after* the initrd file is loaded |
| 19:14.19 | babilen | dclarke: there is also #debian-ppc ... |
| 19:14.28 | dclarke | been there .. done that |
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| 19:14.41 | babilen | dclarke: alright, just wanted to mention that |
| 19:14.58 | dclarke | I think I'll go back there .. because I have burned people out here over time and this has taken days |
| 19:15.17 | dclarke | this is day 3 of this install that never seems to finish |
| 19:15.24 | babilen | dclarke: :-( ... |
| 19:15.36 | dclarke | well, Debian 4.0 was not such a big deal |
| 19:15.43 | dclarke | but Debian 5.0.3 is a monster |
| 19:15.45 | mmu_screen | hmm ahh at least with a correct IDE cable it works much better now, DMA is enabled |
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| 19:16.15 | dclarke | pardon me folks |
| 19:16.24 | babilen | Mr_Queue: But rmadison might be a better tool to check available versions... |
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| 19:16.32 | TheJoe | dclarke: "5.0.3 is a monster" <--- A good kind of monster? :D |
| 19:16.33 | TheJoe | Oh |
| 19:16.34 | TheJoe | Fine |
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| 19:38.18 | Mr_Queue | babilen: Doesn't that require having a local mirror? |
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| 19:41.21 | Mr_Queue | answered my own question. No it does not. |
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| 19:50.39 | zazuk | hello, having issues with sources.list for some reason when i try to install something it gives me this msg's http://pastebin.com/d2df2ede9 |
| 19:50.49 | fox^ | Hi, i love Debian :) However.. for the desktop it has "old" program versions... any idea how to make it more up-to-date like for say ubuntu? |
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| 19:51.39 | lfaraone | dpkg: backports |
| 19:51.39 | dpkg | methinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 19:51.40 | jpinx-eeepc | fox^: use backports |
| 19:51.48 | lfaraone | fox^: see above |
| 19:51.50 | fox^ | okay |
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| 19:52.02 | TheJoe | zazuk: When installing *anything*? |
| 19:52.18 | zazuk | yes |
| 19:52.25 | lfaraone | There are some keys on my computer that don't show up under showkeys when I press them, and the system acts as if they're not there. How can I fix this? |
| 19:52.29 | TheJoe | Strange, what's in your sources.list? |
| 19:52.34 | zazuk | i am thinking something is wrong on source.list |
| 19:52.42 | zazuk | let me post it |
| 19:52.51 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: pastebin your sources.list |
| 19:52.56 | sn18 | zazuk:apt-get update? |
| 19:53.09 | lfaraone | (I'm on an OLPC XO-1, and I loaded the hal profile for my hardware. The keys work in Open Firmware) |
| 19:53.14 | TheJoe | And Firefox build failed again |
| 19:53.18 | sn18 | zazuk:must give errors |
| 19:53.19 | zazuk | have done all that |
| 19:53.55 | Macer | anybody here use a comcast business line? |
| 19:53.57 | sn18 | zazuk: apt-get update doesnt give errors |
| 19:54.13 | PinkFreud | lfaraone: sounds like keys that talk to the bios directly. a number of laptops have tose too. |
| 19:54.24 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: do several things - comment out any existing references to your local cd drive, make sure you are using releases by name, not state (lenny - not stable) do aptitude update and try again |
| 19:54.34 | zazuk | http://pastebin.com/d7a433e55 |
| 19:54.54 | zazuk | jpinx-eeepc, the switch is off on cd |
| 19:54.55 | PinkFreud | lfaraone: usually controlled via acpi, iirc, though I have no idea about OLPC |
| 19:55.05 | PinkFreud | lfaraone: your best bet is google |
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| 19:55.46 | TheJoe | zazuk: You have no package repos there |
| 19:55.49 | TheJoe | You only have updates |
| 19:56.01 | lfaraone | PinkFreud: these are dpad keys and the like. |
| 19:56.02 | zazuk | any ideas lol |
| 19:56.06 | TheJoe | Yes |
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| 19:56.09 | TheJoe | Hang on a second |
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| 19:56.15 | zazuk | nice, thx Joe |
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| 19:56.27 | lfaraone | PinkFreud: in OLPC Fedora, they act as normal keys, so it doesn't seme like something controlled by ACPI. |
| 19:56.31 | TheJoe | zazuk: Add: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ main contrib |
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| 19:56.32 | Thms | I'm moving a partition of my sata disk with gparted and it's really slow, like 1gb / 10seconds, is it normal ? |
| 19:56.42 | Thms | even copying files is slow |
| 19:56.44 | zazuk | exellent |
| 19:56.45 | TheJoe | zazuk: And deb-src http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ main contrib |
| 19:57.06 | lfaraone | Thms: that's not slow. |
| 19:57.06 | TheJoe | zazuk: Then run apt-get update |
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| 19:57.12 | lfaraone | Thms: you're complaining about 100MBps transfers? |
| 19:57.14 | Thms | lfaraone: are you serious ? I thought SATA is up to 1.5gb/s |
| 19:57.14 | Thms | yes |
| 19:57.18 | TheJoe | zazuk: You may want to add ' non-free ' to the end of those lines if you want |
| 19:57.27 | lfaraone | Thms: it depends on your disk speed. |
| 19:57.29 | Thms | copying 900gb takes hours. |
| 19:57.34 | Thms | ti's a samsung F1 |
| 19:57.35 | PinkFreud | lfaraone: how would you know, without looking at what app is supporting them? |
| 19:57.37 | lfaraone | Thms: SATA itself is capable of 1.5GBps |
| 19:57.38 | zazuk | Joe, something happen |
| 19:57.43 | zazuk | failed to fetch |
| 19:57.45 | Thms | and my other SATA disk |
| 19:57.48 | Thms | too |
| 19:57.50 | zazuk | going to pastebin |
| 19:57.52 | lfaraone | PinkFreud: they appear in the console, even. |
| 19:57.59 | Thms | so 100mbps is not slow for the harddrive itself ? |
| 19:58.03 | nsadmin | lfaraone: well, sata1 is |
| 19:58.04 | TheJoe | zazuk: Whoops yeah, my mistake |
| 19:58.11 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: can you png those repos? |
| 19:58.13 | nsadmin | sata2 is double that |
| 19:58.15 | TheJoe | zazuk: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 19:58.19 | zazuk | oh i see, what sould i modify |
| 19:58.23 | TheJoe | I forgot to add the 'stable' bit |
| 19:58.25 | TheJoe | Sorry ^^ |
| 19:58.26 | PinkFreud | my eee has keys which need acpi access to use. with that, I can turn off my display, launch a video app for the camera, and show my IM window |
| 19:58.31 | lfaraone | Thms: depends. |
| 19:58.41 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: add lenny - Not stable |
| 19:58.45 | sn18 | zazuk: go to http://www.debian.org/mirror/list and choose your mirror if you want |
| 19:58.51 | chomwitt | in lenny in gnome the gnote's system tray icon behaves strangely when i create a new note. The list that pops up wont contain my new note when i have many notes. |
| 19:58.51 | PinkFreud | if the keys aren't showing up with showkeys, chances are, you need acpi |
| 19:58.53 | zazuk | jpinx-eeepc, not sure, want me to screenshot ? |
| 19:58.55 | zazuk | png? |
| 19:58.57 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Does it matter? |
| 19:59.06 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: no thanks |
| 19:59.10 | Trewas | lfaraone: it's only 1.5Gbit/s, not bytes |
| 19:59.11 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: yes - it matters |
| 19:59.19 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Oh |
| 19:59.30 | PinkFreud | anyway, time to wander off |
| 19:59.35 | jpinx-eeepc | PinkFreud: the eee has different acpi |
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| 20:00.09 | zazuk | jpinx-eeepc, what can i do? |
| 20:00.12 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: if you put "stable" and squeeze is released, you will end with a mix and a broken system |
| 20:00.24 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: I have changed my sources accordingly |
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| 20:00.41 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: That said, isn't it an insane amount of time between now and squeeze? |
| 20:00.42 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: makes sense - no? ;) |
| 20:00.48 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: It does |
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| 20:01.17 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: tbh - more reaason to use the name - I'd forget over such a long time ;) |
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| 20:01.33 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: can you ping the repo? |
| 20:01.43 | zazuk | sure let me see |
| 20:01.46 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Wise |
| 20:01.52 | zazuk | which one am i pinging |
| 20:02.03 | TheJoe | zazuk: The one I just gave you |
| 20:02.16 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: all of them in turn |
| 20:02.29 | zazuk | i c, one sec.plz |
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| 20:03.18 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: I didn't look at his sources - are they sane? |
| 20:03.32 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: He only has update repos in there, no package repos |
| 20:03.41 | jpinx-eeepc | ah ;) |
| 20:03.48 | zazuk | 64 bytes from free.hands.com (83.142.228.128): icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=185 ms |
| 20:03.55 | Robert_L_Straitt | Okay this is weird. |
| 20:04.25 | zazuk | 64 bytes from kassia4.snt.utwente.nl (130.89.149.227): icmp_seq=3 ttl=44 time=196 ms |
| 20:04.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: not really - it's the weekend :) |
| 20:04.34 | TheJoe | zazuk: No need to paste the whole thing! |
| 20:04.40 | Robert_L_Straitt | Yesterday I had R/W access to /dev/hdc mounted as /home/Video today I can't do anything there. |
| 20:05.03 | Robert_L_Straitt | fstab says /dev/hdc /home/Video ext3 rw,user 0 0 |
| 20:05.05 | zazuk | ftp.uk.debian.org, UK, i m in Los Angeles Valley |
| 20:05.19 | TheJoe | zazuk: Then you may want ftp.us.debian.org |
| 20:05.24 | zazuk | can someone paste their sources.list |
| 20:05.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: include -o uid=1000 |
| 20:05.46 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: use apt-spy |
| 20:05.55 | TheJoe | zazuk: Just add the following to your sources: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 20:05.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: assuming your are that user |
| 20:06.08 | Robert_L_Straitt | how do I check my uid? |
| 20:06.43 | zazuk | let me see, |
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| 20:07.19 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: id |
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| 20:07.43 | babilen | Mr_Queue: no, you don't need a local mirror |
| 20:07.43 | zazuk | here we go, |
| 20:07.48 | zazuk | thx JOE :) |
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| 20:07.55 | TheJoe | zazuk: You're welcome |
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| 20:08.26 | TheJoe | Reminds me, I haven't removed my CD from sources yet. heh |
| 20:08.42 | zazuk | hehehe |
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| 20:08.45 | jpinx-eeepc | mine's only commented out |
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| 20:08.59 | Robert_L_Straitt | gah, I hate being a newb. |
| 20:09.06 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Same here (as of now) |
| 20:09.13 | Robert_L_Straitt | cries and stabs himself in the eye with a hot french fry |
| 20:09.30 | zazuk | i search online for the good source file, neather of them worked, the one you posted it works great, |
| 20:10.02 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: did it work? and don't wsate the fries :p |
| 20:10.11 | TheJoe | http://pastebin.com/m5575707f Well that's mine, because I'm a marine with these things. |
| 20:10.17 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: use apt-spy |
| 20:10.26 | zazuk | oh, |
| 20:10.48 | Robert_L_Straitt | jpinx-eeepc, no, dmesg shows "Ext3fs Unrecognized Mount Option 'uid=1000' or missing value |
| 20:11.06 | nkuttler | TheJoe: recommending to put ubuntu sources in your sources.list is bad |
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| 20:11.10 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: get the syntax right ;) |
| 20:11.29 | TheJoe | nkuttler: I wasn't recommending it, if he was smart, he wouldn't just copy it ;) |
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| 20:11.48 | Robert_L_Straitt | apparently so, since a normal mount mounts just fine |
| 20:11.48 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: peope are on here because they are NOT smart |
| 20:12.06 | TheJoe | zazuk: Don't use mine btw |
| 20:12.38 | zazuk | naa, first one you posted it didnt work i removed it, the second one worked fine |
| 20:12.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: you just need to get the syntax right in fstab |
| 20:12.55 | TheJoe | Good good |
| 20:13.16 | Robert_L_Straitt | Going to the Google! :P |
| 20:13.24 | Robert_L_Straitt | I hope...=/ |
| 20:13.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: you should have been there before you cam e in here :p |
| 20:14.30 | Robert_L_Straitt | well here was more convenient, I lurk like crazy everywhere |
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| 20:14.52 | Robert_L_Straitt | and damn transmission is hogging network resources. |
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| 20:15.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: use lynx :p |
| 20:15.36 | poppy_bsd | hello everyone! i need to translate the output of /proc/meminfo to plain english |
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| 20:16.27 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Wait - aren't people in #ubuntu because they're not smart? :D |
| 20:16.41 | poppy_bsd | how much memory am i actually using? |
| 20:16.51 | poppy_bsd | Total-Free is almost alwayz close to zero |
| 20:16.52 | jpinx-eeepc | poppy_bsd: do free |
| 20:16.54 | TheJoe | poppy_bsd: Run fre -m |
| 20:16.56 | TheJoe | * free -m |
| 20:17.14 | TheJoe | poppy_bsd: And look at the second line |
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| 20:17.25 | zazuk | Joe, you know where i can get good info, on install etch? |
| 20:17.36 | TheJoe | zazuk: Etch is old |
| 20:17.41 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: why do you want to install etch? |
| 20:17.42 | poppy_bsd | TheJoe: i see.. the "used" column on line 2? |
| 20:17.47 | KnuckOne | 3rd actually TheJoe (-/+ buffers/cache) :D |
| 20:17.55 | jpinx-eeepc | poppy_bsd: pastebin it |
| 20:18.00 | TheJoe | KnuckOne: Ok, technically it's the third :P |
| 20:18.06 | TheJoe | poppy_bsd: -/+ buffers/cache: 617 1408 |
| 20:18.20 | TheJoe | I'm using 617MB, I have 1408MB free |
| 20:18.23 | nkuttler | zazuk: http://www.debian.org/releases/oldstable/installmanual |
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| 20:18.44 | zazuk | exellent thank you guys :) |
| 20:18.49 | jpinx-eeepc | poppy_bsd: pastebin the output of free |
| 20:19.08 | nkuttler | zazuk: but really, support for etch will be gone really soon |
| 20:19.40 | tu | where did my xorg.conf go on testing? |
| 20:19.56 | poppy_bsd | jpinx-eeepc: http://pastie.org/718459 |
| 20:20.13 | nkuttler | tu: it's supposed to be automagic nowadays |
| 20:20.22 | poppy_bsd | so 1576 MB used i suppose |
| 20:20.28 | TheJoe | poppy_bsd: That's correct |
| 20:20.45 | tu | nkuttler:meaning using conf tools to do the job? |
| 20:21.06 | Mr_Queue | babilen: thanks for that tip. That package is pretty helpful. In the past I had been grep-ing out most of that info with apt-cache showpkg, but madison does a much better job. |
| 20:21.11 | nkuttler | !tell tu about xorg.conf |
| 20:21.39 | Robert_L_Straitt | jpinx-eeepc, Couldn't I just chmod the mount point? I mean, if I want everyone who has access to this machine to have access to to the drive? |
| 20:22.16 | jpinx-eeepc | poppy_bsd: what is your problem? |
| 20:22.41 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: you *could* do lots of things - I gave you what is imho the best solution |
| 20:22.53 | poppy_bsd | jpinx-eeepc: my problem was to find out how much memory i'm actually using |
| 20:23.04 | jpinx-eeepc | poppy_bsd: now you know |
| 20:23.05 | poppy_bsd | since Total-Free was 42 MB :) |
| 20:23.12 | poppy_bsd | jpinx-eeepc: yes thanks alot! |
| 20:23.15 | babilen | Mr_Queue: There are a lot of goodies in the devscripts ;-) |
| 20:23.42 | zazuk | cannot seem to install some of the pkg, Segmentation faulty tree... 0% |
| 20:23.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: and chmod the whole lot will have to be -R and might bugger up other thingsp |
| 20:24.05 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: hardware issues? |
| 20:24.18 | zazuk | dont think so, |
| 20:24.37 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: did you install |
| 20:24.42 | zazuk | let me reboot and try again |
| 20:24.44 | Robert_L_Straitt | jpinx-eeepc, such as? |
| 20:24.45 | jpinx-eeepc | and rn apt-spy? |
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| 20:24.59 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: do it and find out :p |
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| 20:25.04 | eptalon | Hello all |
| 20:25.11 | zazuk | what i am trying to install is this, but i get that msg |
| 20:25.19 | zazuk | apt-get install apache2 apache2.2-common apache2-doc apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils libexpat1 ssl-cert libapache2-mod-php5 php5 php5-common php5-gd php5-mysql php5-imap phpmyadmin php5-cli php5-cgi libapache2-mod-fcgid apache2-suexec php-pear php-auth php5-mcrypt mcrypt php5-imagick imagemagick libapache2-mod-suphp |
| 20:25.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Robert_L_Straitt: you've been given the best solution, it's up to you now |
| 20:25.30 | jpinx-eeepc | !paste |
| 20:25.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 20:25.58 | zazuk | n/p |
| 20:26.00 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: install and use pastebinit |
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| 20:26.29 | eptalon | Should I be concerned if a harddisk reports unreadable sectors (with smartmontools)? |
| 20:26.38 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: yes |
| 20:26.43 | Robert_L_Straitt | brb a sec |
| 20:26.43 | nkuttler | eptalon: yes |
| 20:26.54 | zazuk | something is wrong with rc file |
| 20:27.11 | eptalon | I have about 800 of them, on an 1.5T volume. |
| 20:27.19 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: pastebin the error |
| 20:27.23 | hark | zazuk: delete /var/cache/apt/*bin and run an update again |
| 20:28.11 | nkuttler | eptalon: well, start making backups |
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| 20:28.25 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: only you know how hard the drive has been working and how close it is to failing, but think backups bigtime;) |
| 20:28.26 | eptalon | nkuttler: Its one of a two-disk raid1 |
| 20:28.53 | nkuttler | eptalon: disks are cheap. is your data important? you can run a badblocks test, but be prepared to lose that drive |
| 20:29.13 | nkuttler | be prepared to lose data even if the drive doesn't report errors anyway |
| 20:29.16 | zazuk | thank you hark |
| 20:29.16 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: back it up before you do *anything* |
| 20:29.46 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: I hope you commented out the lines in your sources list that you are no longer using? |
| 20:29.56 | eptalon | jpinx-eeepc: Ever heard of RAID1? - thats basically two disks with the same data. |
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| 20:30.10 | zazuk | exellent wise thank you |
| 20:30.13 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: back it up :p |
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| 20:30.36 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: ever heard of a raid failure? :p |
| 20:30.49 | eptalon | jpinx-eeepc: Well, technically, it is the "failed" disk of a two disk raid setup. |
| 20:31.37 | jpinx-eeepc | eptalon: well, technically, this has nothing to do with debian ;) |
| 20:32.00 | eptalon | jpinx-eeepc: ok. sorry; won't ask again. |
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| 20:32.55 | Robert_L_Straitt | *D'oh!* |
| 20:33.15 | Robert_L_Straitt | well jpinx-eeepc now I feel incredibly mentally belittled by fstab |
| 20:33.41 | Robert_L_Straitt | when I installed on this machine I had to connect an IDE cd-rom drive |
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| 20:34.07 | nkuttler | eptalon: well, technically drives don't always report errors, so your other drive could be bad. or it dies five minutes after the first. |
| 20:34.36 | Robert_L_Straitt | which was /dev/hdc |
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| 20:35.33 | Robert_L_Straitt | and when I took that out and put in the drive I never edited the fstab to reflect this. |
| 20:37.27 | zazuk | not clear if i should edit the file change the colon: http://pastebin.com/d48bb18ba |
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| 20:40.10 | zbychuk | zazuk: Try to change server from which you download deb's |
| 20:40.31 | zazuk | not sure which i can input |
| 20:41.01 | zazuk | got a be something like none free right |
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| 20:42.48 | mercutio22 | nautilus is crashing when I try to access the preferences menu. Does anyone have a glue by looking at the terminal messages? http://debian.pastebin.com/m1160eac1 |
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| 20:46.00 | zazuk | any ideas? |
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| 20:52.55 | zazuk | here's the error msg i get upon install http://pastebin.com/d48bb18ba |
| 20:53.19 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: I keep telling you to use apt-spy |
| 20:54.19 | hjb | hi. i'm despearatly searching for a guitar effects software |
| 20:54.31 | hjb | i've treid rakarrak and creox but both refuse to work |
| 20:54.32 | zazuk | i dont have apt-spy |
| 20:55.02 | zazuk | cannot seem to install it, |
| 20:55.04 | hjb | anyone here who can recommend me something working and available in debian unstable? |
| 20:55.11 | zazuk | i receive same input error |
| 20:55.13 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: what are you trying to install that gives you this error? |
| 20:55.39 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: do the same delete and update that you did before |
| 20:55.42 | zazuk | for example, i try to install apt-spy it gave me same error msg that i post inpastebin |
| 20:55.54 | zazuk | i did, did not work |
| 20:55.54 | jpinx-eeepc | hjb: aptitude search guitar |
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| 20:56.13 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: pastebin your sources list again |
| 20:56.21 | mercutio22 | also, I installed the latest firefox from the mozilla web site, how should I link the flashplayet library so I can watch youtube? |
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| 20:56.32 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: something seems to be broken in your aptitude system |
| 20:56.35 | zazuk | kewl |
| 20:56.40 | zazuk | i c, |
| 20:57.02 | jpinx-eeepc | !flash |
| 20:57.02 | dpkg | [flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:57.07 | jpinx-eeepc | mercutio22: ^^ |
| 20:57.52 | zazuk | http://pastebin.com/d72bcc815 |
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| 20:59.20 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: uncomment the security lines |
| 20:59.24 | jpinx-eeepc | they need to be used |
| 20:59.30 | zazuk | ok, |
| 20:59.38 | zazuk | once i m done with that, remove the .bin |
| 20:59.57 | mercutio22 | jpinx-eeepc: will it not be different since firefox installed to my home folder? |
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| 21:00.20 | zazuk | should i run aptitude update |
| 21:00.35 | jpinx-eeepc | mercutio22: sounds like you've got a non-standard install and you'll need to work out how to fix it - or use the debian way ;) |
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| 21:00.40 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: yes |
| 21:00.48 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: that doesn't help at all |
| 21:00.56 | binrapt | It's trying to update python-apt: ValueError: /usr/bin/python does not match the python default version. It must be reset to point to python2.5 |
| 21:00.59 | binrapt | What's happening :( |
| 21:01.23 | jpinx-eeepc | hjb: what doesn't help? |
| 21:01.30 | zazuk | update was good; however, upgrade gave me this msg. dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 4019: |
| 21:01.34 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: aptitude search guitar |
| 21:01.34 | binrapt | Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/python-apt_0.7.13.3_amd64.deb E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 21:01.45 | binrapt | Any ideas what I should do? |
| 21:02.14 | mercutio22 | alright |
| 21:02.19 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: take a look at that file then |
| 21:02.38 | zazuk | apt-cache search guitar |
| 21:02.44 | zazuk | ok |
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| 21:03.06 | jpinx-eeepc | hjb: go to debian.org and do a deeper search - use google |
| 21:03.32 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell hjb about polls |
| 21:03.33 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: i've already tried that, else i wouldn't ask here ;-) |
| 21:03.43 | jpinx-eeepc | hjb then there isn't |
| 21:04.10 | zazuk | the line 4019 have this, Ins^@alled-S ze: 104 |
| 21:04.22 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: fix it |
| 21:04.33 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: the poll definition doesn't quite catch my question btw. |
| 21:04.44 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: I'd comment it out and try fixing it |
| 21:04.46 | zazuk | field name `Ins' must be followed by colon |
| 21:04.55 | zazuk | i see, |
| 21:04.58 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: i haven't asked for a specific X or Y |
| 21:05.08 | jpinx-eeepc | hjb: ok - but sorry dude - no more help seems to be forthcoming |
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| 21:05.39 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: comment it out and put in a "clean" version - that allows you to revert |
| 21:05.57 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: or backup the whoe file maybe better |
| 21:06.03 | jpinx-eeepc | *whole |
| 21:06.06 | TheJoe | Firefox has been making for so long now. It better not cough up an error.... -.- |
| 21:06.09 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: no problem :) thanks for your effort |
| 21:06.14 | zazuk | yes, however, i m not sure what you mean by clean version |
| 21:06.27 | zazuk | Ins^@alled-S ze: 104 <--- put? |
| 21:06.43 | jpinx-eeepc | hjb: tbh - debian doesn't do much music natively - you'll need to use non-standard stuff~ |
| 21:07.04 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: backup that file before you do anything |
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| 21:07.31 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: once you have it backed up - try editing it |
| 21:07.54 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, seems so. that's hard |
| 21:08.02 | zazuk | i did, i put # the switch # is not off switch |
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| 21:08.06 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: be inventive - you have the backup if you break anything ;) |
| 21:08.21 | zazuk | i did backup |
| 21:08.43 | jpinx-eeepc | hjb: google for guitar on linux and then look for .debs of anything you might find |
| 21:08.46 | zazuk | mkdir ~/dpkg && cp -pvr /var/lib/dpkg/available ~/dpkg |
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| 21:09.05 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: hmm, everythings there in debian, but not working |
| 21:09.10 | zazuk | do i just remove this line Ins^@alled-S ze: 104 |
| 21:09.21 | jpinx-eeepc | hjb: define "not working" |
| 21:09.23 | hid3nax | Evening everyone. Anyone have a good Linux + 2 ISPs How-To? |
| 21:09.26 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: i have filed a bug report for rakarrak, but no reaction |
| 21:09.56 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: program crash |
| 21:10.05 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: take a look at the error you got and work out how to edit it to not produce the error ;) |
| 21:10.11 | jpinx-eeepc | hjb: ouch |
| 21:10.14 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: in case of creox: unhelpful dialog just displaing "error:" |
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| 21:10.30 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: (program crash was for rakarrack) |
| 21:10.43 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions rakarrak |
| 21:10.44 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: rakarrak -- |
| 21:10.48 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: ok, i'm using unstable, so crash isn't that big problem ;) |
| 21:11.00 | jpinx-eeepc | hjb: squeeze? |
| 21:11.08 | jpinx-eeepc | there's nothing for rakarrak |
| 21:11.12 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions rakarrack |
| 21:11.13 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: rakarrack -- squeeze: 0.3.0-1 sid: 0.3.0-2 |
| 21:11.14 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: sid |
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| 21:11.29 | jpinx-eeepc | sid is experimental - big difference ;) |
| 21:12.02 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions creox |
| 21:12.02 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: what is experimental then? ;-) |
| 21:12.05 | hjb | sid is experimental? |
| 21:12.05 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: creox -- etch: 0.2.2rc2-3+b1 lenny: 0.2.2rc2-3+b1 sid: 0.2.2rc2-3+b2 squeeze: 0.2.2rc2-3+b2 |
| 21:12.11 | abrotman | sid is not experimental, sid is unstable |
| 21:12.16 | babilen | hjb: no |
| 21:12.18 | hjb | i think so, too |
| 21:12.22 | purpleoptic | sid rawk |
| 21:12.31 | TheJoe | Experimental would be squeeze..? |
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| 21:12.45 | hjb | experimental is just experimental, isn't it? |
| 21:12.48 | jpinx-eeepc | hjb: hjb you said youa re running squeeze? |
| 21:12.55 | hjb | jpinx-eeepc: nope, sid |
| 21:12.58 | abrotman | TheJoe: no |
| 21:13.03 | jpinx-eeepc | ah - ok |
| 21:13.13 | abrotman | !releases |
| 21:13.14 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 21:13.36 | hjb | doh |
| 21:13.39 | jpinx-eeepc | that factoid is singularly uninformative |
| 21:14.03 | abrotman | the URL referenced is more accurate than what's being stated here |
| 21:14.28 | hjb | abrotman: thanks for clarification |
| 21:14.37 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: it's the weekend - lots of oddities going around;) (I'm being polite) |
| 21:15.11 | zazuk | i m not sure, whatever i tryed i ended up getting same error msg |
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| 21:15.44 | zazuk | can someone plz pastebin /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 21:16.27 | abrotman | it's huge .. make your own |
| 21:16.54 | zazuk | i got my own damm thing is giving me errors |
| 21:16.55 | jpinx-eeepc | he's got an odd error referring to it |
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| 21:17.22 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: post the paste of the error again |
| 21:17.30 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: will make sens e of it |
| 21:17.38 | zazuk | thank you jpinx-eeepc |
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| 21:18.39 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: don't thank me - I wasn't able to fix it, but hopefully others will |
| 21:19.11 | zazuk | here's the msg. http://pastebin.com/d4cea48e0 |
| 21:19.27 | zazuk | you know why i am thanking you? |
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| 21:19.33 | purpleoptic | should I buy a sun sparc station. I'm looking at one on ebay for cheap |
| 21:19.42 | zazuk | anyways, you helping so that what counts |
| 21:19.46 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: can you look at this error please^^ |
| 21:20.14 | zazuk | i am thinking to reinstall debian; however, put the old version. what you think jpinx-eeepc |
| 21:20.37 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: "old" version? what is that? |
| 21:20.39 | abrotman | what is line 4019 ? |
| 21:20.45 | abrotman | and the five lines above/below ? |
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| 21:21.28 | zazuk | Ins^@alled-S ze: 104 |
| 21:21.38 | zazuk | 4019 |
| 21:22.15 | babilen | zazuk: change that to 'Installed-Size' |
| 21:22.26 | abrotman | htf did that happen ? |
| 21:22.36 | babilen | zazuk: But please also give the other lines (paste them somewhere) |
| 21:22.52 | zazuk | sure, thank you |
| 21:23.08 | zazuk | change Installed-Size^@alled-S ze: 104 |
| 21:23.12 | zazuk | like that? |
| 21:23.56 | babilen | zazuk: replace 'Ins^@alled-S ze' with 'Installed-Size', but how did that happen? |
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| 21:27.16 | zazuk | error, newline in field name `Installed-Size' |
| 21:28.20 | zazuk | i might need to put 104 |
| 21:28.34 | babilen | zazuk: how does the line look now? And how did you manage to get the file in that state? |
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| 21:28.57 | babilen | zazuk: the line should read: 'Installed-Size: 104' |
| 21:29.09 | zazuk | upon updating the file, i rm the bin file then did update, |
| 21:29.22 | buckfast | babilen: 1 pass of memtest complete, been running over an hour now, if the memory turns out to be ok, what will be the next step? |
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| 21:30.19 | babilen | buckfast: There are so many possibilities. Do you use any compiled kernel modules (nvidia, fglrx, ... ) ? |
| 21:30.30 | zazuk | now, different error poped up |
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| 21:30.45 | zazuk | ArchHtecture' must be followed by colon |
| 21:31.20 | babilen | zazuk: That file is completely fucked. What did you do? You removed it? |
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| 21:31.54 | babilen | zazuk: Now, take a guess.. What should 'ArchHtecture' actually look like? |
| 21:31.55 | zazuk | near line 4021 ArchHtecture^@ i386 |
| 21:32.06 | zazuk | i did not touch the file, |
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| 21:32.14 | zazuk | it's a frash install |
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| 21:32.45 | babilen | zazuk: What did you do before you encountered this error? |
| 21:32.45 | buckfast | babilen: I dont |
| 21:32.58 | buckfast | pretty much default stuff |
| 21:32.59 | zazuk | oh, apache gave me the msg |
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| 21:33.03 | zazuk | upon install apache2 |
| 21:33.21 | babilen | buckfast: OK. I had issues like that with flash before. Do you use flash when it is happening? |
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| 21:33.50 | buckfast | No |
| 21:33.56 | KnuckOne | no /var/lib/dpkg/available-old available ? (i guess no on a fresh instal but eh) |
| 21:34.05 | babilen | zazuk: You did a fresh install, booted for the first time and tried to install apache2 and this is happening? Which Debian release are we talking about? |
| 21:34.21 | TheJoe | Exactly where does the debian control file go? |
| 21:34.38 | zazuk | lenny |
| 21:35.00 | buckfast | boots up, I log in, it seems to crash when I'm away, maybe something to do with the screen saver? |
| 21:35.05 | zazuk | i was installing pkg such as, apache2 at the end it came up with the msg |
| 21:35.07 | buckfast | or some power management issue |
| 21:35.14 | babilen | buckfast: You could try a newer kernel from backports and see if it is still happening |
| 21:35.22 | babilen | !tell buckfast -about bpo |
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| 21:36.03 | KnuckOne | zazuk: dpkg --clear-avail && apt-get update |
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| 21:37.20 | zazuk | lets C |
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| 21:39.23 | zazuk | error |
| 21:39.46 | babilen | zazuk: paste that error please |
| 21:40.04 | KnuckOne | and no way to restore using available-old (if it exists already) ? |
| 21:40.27 | hark | !available |
| 21:40.28 | dpkg | run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available" |
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| 21:41.11 | zazuk | kewl |
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| 21:49.59 | TheJoe | Heh. Upgraded to a backported kernel (2.26.30 |
| 21:50.06 | TheJoe | No nvidia module |
| 21:50.07 | TheJoe | Resolution messed up |
| 21:50.39 | babilen | TheJoe: recompile the module |
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| 21:50.56 | TheJoe | babilen: hm |
| 21:51.34 | babilen | TheJoe: and give me the link for 2.26.30 ;-) |
| 21:52.01 | TheJoe | babilen: apt-get -t install lenny-backports linux-image-2.26-686 ;) |
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| 21:52.34 | TheJoe | babilen: http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/kernel/linux-image-2.6-686 |
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| 21:53.17 | abrotman | babilen: backports.org .. read the instructions |
| 21:53.22 | babilen | TheJoe: :-\ ... 2.26.30 != 2.6.30 (2.26.30 is from the future) |
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| 21:53.47 | TheJoe | babilen: Whoops yeah, typo |
| 21:54.31 | _klamath_ | Little problem with desktop built-in card-reader and debian 5.03. If I insert the sd-card the system does not see it. ( tried with 'tail -f /var/log/messagges' and nothing happens ( neither with 'fdisk -l' I see a new device attached )). But if I boot debian with the sd inside the card reader, I can see it from 'fdisk -l', mount it and use it. Is there a way to use a sd-card while the system is running ( some configuration I think ) ? |
| 21:54.44 | TheJoe | Now, any idea how to go about recompiling the module? |
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| 21:55.16 | babilen | !tell TheJoe -about nvidia |
| 21:55.22 | babilen | !tell TheJoe -about nvidia m-a |
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| 21:55.33 | ehnvis | _klamath_: do you have dbus/hal installed? that did the trick for my machine atleast. |
| 21:56.05 | _klamath_ | ehnvis: how can I check ? |
| 21:56.57 | ehnvis | _klamath_: dpkg -l | grep dbus |
| 21:56.58 | akhenat0n | evening all |
| 21:57.34 | akhenat0n | anyone installed debian on a DELL Inspiron 1510? |
| 21:57.52 | babilen | akhenat0n: I would think so ... |
| 21:58.28 | _klamath_ | ehnvis: yes, I have. Maybe some tricky configuration ? |
| 21:58.56 | akhenat0n | any issues i need to be aware of before i dive in? |
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| 21:59.20 | TheJoe | I don't think that worked |
| 21:59.32 | ehnvis | _klamath_: is it one of those usb connected card readers? then dbus and hal should be enough |
| 21:59.41 | babilen | TheJoe: what exactly did not work? |
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| 21:59.57 | TheJoe | babilen: m-a prepare etc etc |
| 21:59.58 | krushik | how could I found which installed packages are from unstable repo (my default is testing)? |
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| 22:00.02 | spectre1 | man |
| 22:00.02 | TheJoe | There's still no nvidia module |
| 22:00.06 | spectre1 | if you don't have standards here |
| 22:00.09 | spectre1 | you get ripped off in IT |
| 22:00.10 | spectre1 | hahaha |
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| 22:00.20 | akhenat0n | u do? |
| 22:00.25 | spectre1 | isp's here get away with the most psycho overcharging i've ever seen |
| 22:00.33 | babilen | TheJoe: You compiled it without error? |
| 22:00.44 | TheJoe | babilen: Ah I didn't see that |
| 22:00.52 | TheJoe | "Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed |
| 22:00.54 | akhenat0n | spectre1 i don't follow |
| 22:00.57 | TheJoe | I'll get the log |
| 22:01.10 | _klamath_ | ehnvis: yes it is a built-in card-reader, if want to use a sd while the system is running, the system does not see it. If I boot with the sd inseted, it see it |
| 22:01.11 | spectre1 | well, broadband here is atrocious |
| 22:01.13 | babilen | akhenat0n: http://www.linux-laptop.net/ you might find information on you model there |
| 22:01.16 | spectre1 | and horribly expensive |
| 22:01.20 | spectre1 | (I work in Uganda) |
| 22:01.28 | spectre1 | so here, up until like 6 months ago |
| 22:01.36 | spectre1 | we were the only region in the world outside antarctica |
| 22:01.38 | akhenat0n | ahaaaa thank you babilen :-) |
| 22:01.40 | spectre1 | that still relied on VSAT for internet |
| 22:01.43 | TheJoe | Ok I can't find the log |
| 22:01.48 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: dells normall y accept debian ok |
| 22:01.50 | spectre1 | so ISP's here |
| 22:01.59 | spectre1 | get away with charging like 100000000000000% markup |
| 22:02.04 | akhenat0n | good stuff :-) |
| 22:02.07 | spectre1 | because they were the only games in town (the three of em) |
| 22:02.14 | spectre1 | but now SEACOM is here |
| 22:02.23 | spectre1 | fiber sold in stm64+ |
| 22:02.25 | akhenat0n | so why are you still there then spectre1 ? |
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| 22:02.30 | spectre1 | at $150 meg |
| 22:02.34 | babilen | TheJoe: compile it again and paste the log .. I have no idea what you have been doing prior to your kernel update (how did you install nvidia) and after your kernel update. |
| 22:02.38 | spectre1 | they will try to sell you for $1k |
| 22:02.47 | spectre1 | er, at $50/meg |
| 22:02.52 | spectre1 | $150/meg is for stm1 |
| 22:03.02 | spectre1 | so like the other day |
| 22:03.07 | TheJoe | babilen: Installing nvidia, I just installed nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig, so whatever dependencies they had... |
| 22:03.09 | akhenat0n | is this guy talking to himself or what? :-s |
| 22:03.11 | TheJoe | nvidia-glx etc etc |
| 22:03.15 | TheJoe | To be honest I don't know what I did |
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| 22:03.37 | akhenat0n | if bandwidth is so expensive i wouldn't waste it on monologuing |
| 22:03.43 | spectre1 | lies |
| 22:03.46 | TheJoe | And dammit is there a way to force a resolution in xorg.conf? This is hurting my eyes |
| 22:03.46 | spectre1 | orange just came to town |
| 22:03.50 | spectre1 | they're doin shit right |
| 22:03.53 | spectre1 | i'm 3G right now |
| 22:03.56 | krushik | how can I get the list of all packages that were installed from some repo? |
| 22:03.57 | spectre1 | cheap prices |
| 22:04.00 | jpinx-eeepc | !ops spectre1 rambling |
| 22:04.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jpinx-eeepc complains about: spectre1 rambling |
| 22:04.00 | babilen | spectre1: might i suggest another channel? |
| 22:04.01 | spectre1 | finally |
| 22:04.04 | TheJoe | It's at like 9287982374x3489759387 right now (exaggeration intneded) |
| 22:04.13 | akhenat0n | lol @ babilen |
| 22:04.17 | spectre1 | haha |
| 22:04.25 | spectre1 | fuck you! |
| 22:04.26 | spectre1 | :D |
| 22:04.29 | abrotman | spectre1: you're in the wrong channel, this is a Debian support channel |
| 22:04.30 | akhenat0n | whoaaaaa |
| 22:04.31 | chemist | kick |
| 22:04.35 | akhenat0n | calm down sunshine |
| 22:04.44 | babilen | spectre1: that was uncalled for |
| 22:04.51 | spectre1 | sorry folks! |
| 22:04.54 | abrotman | spectre1: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 22:04.56 | spectre1 | didn't mean to offend the well and the good |
| 22:04.58 | jpinx-eeepc | spectre1: /topic |
| 22:05.26 | zazuk | i am reinstalling, something went wrong with this install, |
| 22:05.29 | TheJoe | I don't know where moduale-assistant keeps logs |
| 22:05.46 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: what are you installing? |
| 22:05.54 | zazuk | debian again |
| 22:06.00 | spectre1 | tim berners less was here two days ago |
| 22:06.05 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: *which* debian? |
| 22:06.07 | abrotman | spectre1: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 22:06.07 | zazuk | i m not sure what went wrong, like you said |
| 22:06.11 | zazuk | lenny |
| 22:06.15 | zazuk | 5.0 |
| 22:06.17 | babilen | TheJoe: Ok.. You installed nvidia before, but you can't recall how. It was working *before* you installed the kernel from backports, but not it is not working anymore. You tried to recompile the nvidia module with m-a, which failed. Correct? |
| 22:06.31 | akhenat0n | babilen u seem to know what u're talking about ... i have windoze on that DELL laptop and would like to install Debian without interfering with the MBR (e.g. boot from USB) |
| 22:06.34 | krushik | nobody knows how to get a list of packages that were installed from unstable when default is testing? =0 |
| 22:06.36 | akhenat0n | is that possible babilen ? |
| 22:06.37 | jpinx-eeepc | zazuk: fine - go for the simple install of lenny and take it from there;) |
| 22:06.46 | zazuk | before i start installing the pkg, i need to switch it to etch |
| 22:06.47 | TheJoe | babilen: Correct |
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| 22:06.53 | S4nD3r | Hi, I have a problem with wireless card. I followed these http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/README.txt and, finally, worked. But, every boot, I need to repeat the process. How to solve it? |
| 22:07.05 | spectre1 | S4nD3r: |
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| 22:07.17 | spectre1 | add the command lines to your rc.local |
| 22:07.20 | abrotman | no |
| 22:07.20 | babilen | akhenat0n: Yes, but why don't you want to interfere with the MBR? |
| 22:07.22 | spectre1 | i think it's rc.local |
| 22:07.27 | abrotman | spectre1: please be quiet |
| 22:07.30 | TheJoe | babilen: Also the log I have (which cannot be copied for some reason) says: make: *** [kdist_image] Error 2 |
| 22:07.33 | spectre1 | sorry, better way? |
| 22:07.40 | abrotman | the right way ? |
| 22:07.40 | TheJoe | nvidia.ko failed to build |
| 22:07.44 | akhenat0n | coz my missus uses windoze on the laptop and i don't want to confuse her :-s |
| 22:07.46 | spectre1 | whatever you want to call it |
| 22:07.48 | babilen | TheJoe: 'some reason' ? |
| 22:07.51 | akhenat0n | coz my missus uses windoze on the laptop and i don't want to confuse her :-s @ babilen |
| 22:07.58 | S4nD3r | which commands? |
| 22:07.59 | abrotman | S4nD3r: which step do you have to repeat every boot ? |
| 22:08.19 | abrotman | S4nD3r: ignore spectre1 .. there's something wrong with that bot |
| 22:08.19 | spectre1 | haha |
| 22:08.19 | TheJoe | babilen: It's in debhelp or whatever it's called, it's not a saved log |
| 22:08.20 | S4nD3r | I dont know exactelly which is need |
| 22:08.20 | S4nD3r | then, Ive done all |
| 22:08.23 | TheJoe | I really don't know where the log has been saved |
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| 22:08.31 | abrotman | S4nD3r: so you're recompiling the module every time ? |
| 22:08.32 | babilen | akhenat0n: It will not be that confusing. Just another screen before windows comes up. |
| 22:08.44 | akhenat0n | the GRUB screen? @ babilen |
| 22:08.50 | babilen | akhenat0n: exactly |
| 22:08.55 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: aptitude logs? |
| 22:08.56 | akhenat0n | hmm ok |
| 22:09.01 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 22:09.07 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: m-a |
| 22:09.09 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Module-assistant |
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| 22:09.29 | abrotman | S4nD3r: this doesn't make sense .. is there something wrong with your filesystem? |
| 22:09.34 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: I can't see it in /var/log |
| 22:09.35 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: not sure if there isn't a log kept in the dir you're iny |
| 22:09.40 | abrotman | S4nD3r: are you sure the compiled modules aren't already there? |
| 22:09.42 | S4nD3r | I dont think so. |
| 22:09.57 | abrotman | S4nD3r: i just had to follow those instructions for a netbook last week, it all worked fine |
| 22:09.59 | akhenat0n | i might give it a go ... partition A = Windoze for the missus; partition B = Debian for moi :-) |
| 22:10.01 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: I'm in my Home, and there's nothing there |
| 22:10.19 | babilen | TheJoe: Have you downloaded files from the nvidia website before, or did you always used the Debian packages? |
| 22:10.19 | spectre1 | oh, actually, serious question |
| 22:10.19 | TheJoe | That said, I'm running m-a as root |
| 22:10.19 | [jasper] | hej guys |
| 22:10.19 | S4nD3r | ummm... |
| 22:10.19 | akhenat0n | hej? |
| 22:10.23 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: did you compile it in your home? |
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| 22:10.36 | S4nD3r | While my notebook is on, no problem, but, after restart or shutdown |
| 22:10.39 | TheJoe | babilen: I used the Debian packages |
| 22:10.43 | S4nD3r | wireless card disapears |
| 22:10.45 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: normall you create a dir for the job |
| 22:10.46 | abrotman | S4nD3r: you're not answering the questions ... |
| 22:10.47 | spectre1 | can I turn pretty much any wireless card into a hot-spot? |
| 22:10.48 | babilen | TheJoe: It is hard to find the reason, but you need the kernel header files to compile the module |
| 22:10.51 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: No, I simply ran m-a a-i nvidia |
| 22:10.54 | abrotman | spectre1: no |
| 22:10.55 | spectre1 | (assuming debian) |
| 22:10.57 | TheJoe | I don't know "where" it is |
| 22:11.08 | spectre1 | alright, how about SOME? |
| 22:11.14 | TheJoe | babilen: So apt-get install linux-header... |
| 22:11.15 | babilen | TheJoe: Good that you used the Debian packages. That saves some work. |
| 22:11.16 | TheJoe | Ok |
| 22:11.20 | S4nD3r | Yes, I compiled every times |
| 22:11.21 | spectre1 | or you just can't do that at all? |
| 22:11.23 | abrotman | spectre1: ask #wireless .. depends on the driver |
| 22:11.32 | spectre1 | ah alright |
| 22:11.34 | spectre1 | thx |
| 22:11.34 | abrotman | S4nD3r: but do you have to? |
| 22:11.34 | S4nD3r | I follow all steps every boot |
| 22:11.40 | akhenat0n | anyone thinks the wireless applet in gnome is rubbish? last time i installed wireless i had to fiddle about with wpa-supplicant |
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| 22:11.49 | S4nD3r | Yes, because wireless card disapears |
| 22:11.53 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: wicd is good |
| 22:11.58 | abrotman | S4nD3r: that's not why you need to recompile ... |
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| 22:12.13 | abrotman | S4nD3r: reboot the netbook .. and don't do anything else .. we'll ask you to type commands and give us the output |
| 22:12.15 | TheJoe | babilen: They're already installed |
| 22:12.16 | akhenat0n | wicd? i'll look this up ... thank you jpinx-eeepc |
| 22:12.40 | S4nD3r | ummm... I will need to find a cable |
| 22:12.41 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: aptitude show wicd |
| 22:12.52 | S4nD3r | to connect through ethernet |
| 22:13.20 | S4nD3r | Ill look for |
| 22:13.29 | TheJoe | babilen: I'm getting Error 2 in "kdist_image" "build-stamp" and Error 1 is "module" |
| 22:13.33 | TheJoe | Those are the last lines in the log |
| 22:13.37 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 22:13.39 | spectre1 | is there a command which can cut a single line from a file? as in cut line 5 from doc.txt? |
| 22:13.48 | spectre1 | or is sed > the best way? |
| 22:13.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 22:13.49 | S4nD3r | abrotman, I will reboot then, ok ? |
| 22:13.55 | abrotman | S4nD3r: that's what i said to do .. |
| 22:14.16 | babilen | TheJoe: Are there other errors when you compile? How should i know.... The error number does not help. There needs to be something like "file foo missing" ... "sir robing bravery fail" ... "shrubbery not available" |
| 22:14.17 | akhenat0n | hmm i need to apt-get first :-) |
| 22:14.34 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell akhenat0n about why aptitude |
| 22:14.56 | amphi | spectre1: or head 'n tail |
| 22:14.57 | TheJoe | babilen: /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv.c:4026; error: too few arguments to func |
| 22:15.13 | TheJoe | Honestly I wish I could find where the log is saved |
| 22:15.15 | akhenat0n | i see .. thank you jpinx-eeepc :-) |
| 22:15.28 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: ;) |
| 22:15.54 | jetscreamer | /var/log ? |
| 22:15.58 | jelly-home | judd: kernels |
| 22:15.59 | judd | jelly-home: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 22:16.03 | akhenat0n | is Synaptic any good then jpinx-eeepc ? |
| 22:16.09 | akhenat0n | the GUI i mean |
| 22:16.19 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: dunno - I never used it |
| 22:16.25 | jelly-home | judd: info linux-image-2.6.32-rc8-686 |
| 22:16.33 | akhenat0n | u never use X then? |
| 22:16.45 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: yes - browser, etc |
| 22:16.45 | akhenat0n | i mean gnome |
| 22:16.50 | akhenat0n | ok ok |
| 22:16.53 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: lxde |
| 22:16.58 | akhenat0n | i see |
| 22:17.06 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: lightweight desktop |
| 22:17.16 | akhenat0n | ok ... lighter than gnome? |
| 22:17.26 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: heaps |
| 22:17.33 | akhenat0n | hmmmmmm okayyyyyy |
| 22:17.40 | akhenat0n | might give lxde a go then :-) |
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| 22:17.59 | S4nD3r_ | abrotman, Ready |
| 22:18.00 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: depends on what you expect from a desktop |
| 22:18.01 | [jasper] | hej guys |
| 22:18.03 | S4nD3r_ | here we go |
| 22:18.10 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: so you're IRCing from another machine? |
| 22:18.18 | [jasper] | how can I achieve Operating system-level virtualization in debian? |
| 22:18.22 | S4nD3r_ | No. |
| 22:18.34 | S4nD3r_ | Im using cable |
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| 22:18.58 | hark | TheJoe: what does uname -r say? |
| 22:19.00 | akhenat0n | basic stuff ... openoffice, iceweasel + chatzilla, wine, perl, c, java @ jpinx-eeepc ... should be alright, shouldn't it? |
| 22:19.03 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: i'm confused .. are you currently using the netbook on the network? |
| 22:19.16 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: if you can do perl - yes :p |
| 22:19.17 | S4nD3r_ | Its notebook |
| 22:19.20 | micols | [jasper]: virtualbox? |
| 22:19.21 | jelly-home | dpkg: info linux-image-2.6.32-rc8-686 |
| 22:19.25 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.32-rc8-686: (Linux 2.6.32-rc8 for modern PCs), section kernel, is optional. Version: 2.6.32~rc8-1~experimental.1 (sid), Packaged size: 24822 kB, Installed size: 71784 kB |
| 22:19.27 | akhenat0n | cool then |
| 22:19.29 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: but the wifi is broken ? |
| 22:19.35 | S4nD3r_ | Yes. |
| 22:19.46 | TheJoe | hark: 2.6.30-bpo.1-686 |
| 22:19.52 | TheJoe | hark: The bpo bit gets me |
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| 22:19.57 | TheJoe | I'm probably using the wrong kernel |
| 22:19.59 | [jasper] | virtualbox doesn't do operating system based virtualisation does it/ |
| 22:20.00 | S4nD3r_ | Then, I got a cable and connected, |
| 22:20.02 | hark | TheJoe: the drivers in lenny won't work with your kernel |
| 22:20.08 | rerushg | abrotman: he's on eth0 |
| 22:20.14 | TheJoe | hark: Guess I may as well just boot into the older one then |
| 22:20.17 | S4nD3r_ | Its possible you help me ? |
| 22:20.17 | abrotman | i got it .. just making sure |
| 22:20.20 | TheJoe | Lucky I makde sure I kept it |
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| 22:20.27 | jelly-home | [jasper]: sorry, what does "operating system based virtualisation" mean? |
| 22:20.41 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/net/wireless/ .. put it in a pastebin |
| 22:20.43 | babilen | TheJoe: I just checked, there is no nvidia in bpo |
| 22:20.44 | TheJoe | Back it a bit then |
| 22:20.50 | TheJoe | babilen: Ok |
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| 22:21.05 | smacnay | Does the xorg.conf file still need the added arguments for better performance from nvidia cards? |
| 22:21.19 | babilen | TheJoe: Why did you install the bpo kernel? Any specific reason? |
| 22:21.23 | smacnay | eg: Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" |
| 22:21.27 | smacnay | stuff like that? |
| 22:21.39 | akhenat0n | is reading up on LXDE |
| 22:21.40 | jpinx-eeepc | !nvidia |
| 22:21.40 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 22:21.50 | abrotman | you can use the tell feature ... |
| 22:22.09 | valdyn | smacnay: that switch should have no meaning for nvidia drivers |
| 22:22.33 | smacnay | valdyn, I recall adding that one some time ago to get Compiz to work. Like, a long time ago. |
| 22:22.49 | S4nD3r_ | abrotman, Here is it ! http://pastebin.com/m52adf7f2 |
| 22:22.56 | valdyn | smacnay: that was for intel drivers |
| 22:23.06 | akhenat0n | jpinx-eeepc: so what do u do then? download the debian install ISO from lxde and boot from it (after having burnt it on CD of course) |
| 22:23.21 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: aptitude install lxde |
| 22:23.27 | akhenat0n | oh nooooooo |
| 22:23.34 | akhenat0n | CLI v/s GUI |
| 22:23.41 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: but you will want to remove gnome - not so easy;) |
| 22:23.49 | [jasper] | jelly-home it means running one kernel...with own virtual room on the server to work |
| 22:24.01 | akhenat0n | i used to use a lot of CLI on slackware servers but that was a long time ago jpinx-eeepc :-) |
| 22:24.01 | [jasper] | so not real virtual machines...everything running one kernel...but own modules etc.. |
| 22:24.09 | valdyn | [jasper]: you mean uml |
| 22:24.14 | [jasper] | do I? |
| 22:24.23 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: it's ok - once you have lxde -you don't need the cl much |
| 22:24.29 | akhenat0n | makes a mental note: remove gnome first |
| 22:24.31 | [jasper] | I only know it's called operating system based virtualisation |
| 22:24.36 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: moment |
| 22:24.37 | valdyn | [jasper]: except that you are mixing things up or inventing things |
| 22:24.40 | jpinx-eeepc | !remove gnome |
| 22:24.40 | dpkg | To remove or purge GNOME 2.x, do: aptitude remove libgnome2-* libbonobo2-* liborbit2* libgnomeui* libgnomevfs2-* (use purge instead of remove if that's what you want). For GNOME 1.x, use aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or use purge accordingly). |
| 22:24.44 | jelly-home | [jasper]: ah, like BSD jail, or Solaris... zones? |
| 22:24.45 | smacnay | valdyn, thanks |
| 22:24.52 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: ^^ |
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| 22:25.01 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: and the contents of /etc/modules ? |
| 22:25.07 | jelly-home | [jasper]: you'll be looking for openvz or vserver then |
| 22:25.14 | akhenat0n | hang on hang on ... u've lost me now ... i thought that the ISO from lxde doesn't have gnome @ jpinx-eeepc |
| 22:25.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell akhenat0n about remove gnome |
| 22:25.22 | TheJoe | My eyes are saved |
| 22:25.27 | S4nD3r_ | in modules file is just lp |
| 22:25.30 | S4nD3r_ | nothing more |
| 22:25.35 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: what .iso? |
| 22:25.42 | TheJoe | babilen: Simply because I felt like installing a newer kernel |
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| 22:25.51 | TheJoe | babilen: bpo might have been a mistake |
| 22:25.51 | akhenat0n | http://free.nchc.org.tw/debian-cd/5.0.2-live/i386/iso-cd/debian-live-502-i386-lxde-desktop.iso @ jpinx-eeepc |
| 22:26.01 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: that is a terrible reason |
| 22:26.09 | babilen | TheJoe: Just use the old kernel then. |
| 22:26.17 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
| 22:26.17 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 22:26.24 | babilen | TheJoe: ^^^ |
| 22:26.30 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: put 'wl' on in that file on its own line |
| 22:26.36 | akhenat0n | coz i was going to do a clean install using the iso from lxde @ jpinx-eeepc |
| 22:26.38 | jelly-home | [jasper]: uml is a whole new kernel, just run in userspace, so that's not it |
| 22:26.44 | [jasper] | yes like solaris zones jelly-home |
| 22:26.46 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: Hah |
| 22:26.52 | [jasper] | is there anything like it? |
| 22:26.53 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: wtf is that? |
| 22:26.54 | S4nD3r_ | ok |
| 22:26.55 | S4nD3r_ | ready |
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| 22:27.06 | akhenat0n | wtf is what?????? |
| 22:27.09 | TheJoe | I'm adventurous! Comes from my years in the Scouts :P |
| 22:27.28 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: get onto the commandline - remove gnome and install lxde |
| 22:27.35 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: so what is now in that file ? |
| 22:27.42 | akhenat0n | what i'm saying jpinx-eeepc is that i wont need to remove gnome coz i'm going to use the iso from lxde |
| 22:27.43 | S4nD3r_ | Now its lp and wl (each one in a different line) |
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| 22:27.58 | abrotman | S4nD3r_: pull the cable and reboot the laptop |
| 22:27.59 | akhenat0n | why the hell would lxde put gnome on their iso???? they wouldnt |
| 22:28.03 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: you're making this difficult :p |
| 22:28.05 | S4nD3r_ | ok |
| 22:28.08 | akhenat0n | noooooooo |
| 22:28.10 | valdyn | "operating system based virtualisation" must be your invention, semantically it makes no sense |
| 22:28.12 | akhenat0n | u're confusing me |
| 22:28.23 | akhenat0n | never mind |
| 22:28.23 | [jasper] | valdyn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_Containers |
| 22:28.29 | [jasper] | there's an example |
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| 22:28.31 | [jasper] | of what I want |
| 22:28.32 | akhenat0n | let me give it a god and i'll come back |
| 22:28.38 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: which part of remove gnome and install lxde is confusing? |
| 22:28.50 | akhenat0n | goodness gracious me :-s |
| 22:29.12 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: obviously you can not be in gnome when you remove it :p |
| 22:29.20 | akhenat0n | read my lips ... i wont need to remove gnome coz there won;t be any gnome :-s ... it's a clean install |
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| 22:29.26 | valdyn | [jasper]: vserver maybe |
| 22:29.27 | akhenat0n | is out ot breath |
| 22:29.34 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: :) |
| 22:29.38 | akhenat0n | lol |
| 22:29.43 | akhenat0n | hahahahaha i feel for it |
| 22:29.47 | akhenat0n | very good lol |
| 22:29.52 | akhenat0n | fell* |
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| 22:30.05 | akhenat0n | anyway thanks for your help jpinx-eeepc |
| 22:30.08 | akhenat0n | look after yourself |
| 22:30.20 | jpinx-eeepc | akhenat0n: I want to see this happening ;) |
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| 22:30.29 | akhenat0n | ughhhhhhhhh |
| 22:30.37 | akhenat0n | nahhh i'll pass on that one |
| 22:30.45 | akhenat0n | i'll leave it to you lol |
| 22:30.52 | akhenat0n | :-) |
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| 22:31.29 | akhenat0n | lxde u better watch out baby ... akhenaton's coming your way baby lol |
| 22:31.43 | akhenat0n | take it easy dudes ... jpinx-eeepc babilen thanks very much |
| 22:31.44 | [jasper] | hmm vserver? |
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| 22:32.12 | S4nD3r | abrotman, Hey man, you are fantastic! |
| 22:32.13 | babilen | TheJoe: Note that you will have to recompile the nvidia module for the 2.6.26 kernel ... or use nvidia-glx as before |
| 22:32.18 | valdyn | [jasper]: the linux equivalents are listed in that article too |
| 22:32.27 | TheJoe | babilen: Already got it working |
| 22:32.32 | valdyn | [jasper]: OpenVZ/Virtuozzo, Linux-VServer |
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| 22:32.38 | babilen | TheJoe: great |
| 22:32.52 | valdyn | [jasper]: and FreeVPS |
| 22:33.03 | jelly-home | wtf is freevps! |
| 22:33.18 | TheJoe | jelly-home: Sounds like a VPS provider to me |
| 22:33.19 | jelly-home | obviously two efforts were not enough |
| 22:33.22 | valdyn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeVPS |
| 22:33.27 | valdyn | vserver fork |
| 22:33.40 | S4nD3r | abrotman, Thank you very much ! |
| 22:33.41 | TheJoe | Oh |
| 22:33.50 | TheJoe | I wish my VPS was free |
| 22:34.00 | abrotman | S4nD3r: it does say that in the instructions |
| 22:34.30 | S4nD3r | oh.. I didnt pay attention |
| 22:34.33 | S4nD3r | sorry |
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| 22:35.10 | S4nD3r | abrotman, just one more question, may I ? |
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| 22:35.22 | abrotman | just ask |
| 22:35.37 | S4nD3r | I have a module, loaded every boot. How to put it off ? |
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| 22:35.58 | babilen | !tell S4nD3r -about blacklist |
| 22:36.02 | S4nD3r | When I use lsmod, I see it. But its not necessary anymore |
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| 22:36.26 | babilen | S4nD3r: Do you have problems with that module? |
| 22:36.37 | S4nD3r | No. |
| 22:36.37 | dvs | makes his own instructions |
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| 22:36.45 | S4nD3r | Its ndiswrapper |
| 22:37.00 | S4nD3r | I used before discover this tutorial to use my wireless card! |
| 22:37.02 | babilen | S4nD3r: Why bother then? But blacklisting is the way to go if you want. |
| 22:37.08 | S4nD3r | Now, its not necessary anymore |
| 22:37.12 | babilen | S4nD3r: Ah, ok ... |
| 22:38.21 | abrotman | how did you install it ? |
| 22:38.34 | S4nD3r | I used a tutorial |
| 22:38.38 | zazuk | still error |
| 22:38.40 | babilen | S4nD3r: You might want to remove it instead of blacklisting it |
| 22:38.54 | S4nD3r | I used insmod I guess |
| 22:39.11 | S4nD3r | theres ndiswrapper file in /etc/modprobe.d |
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| 22:39.48 | lfaraone | How can I see whether HAL is loading a rule or not? |
| 22:39.55 | [jasper] | openvz looks quite good valdyn |
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| 22:40.23 | S4nD3r | So |
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| 22:40.26 | S4nD3r | no problem anyway |
| 22:40.34 | S4nD3r | thank you for all help |
| 22:40.51 | S4nD3r | more important it card working |
| 22:41.34 | S4nD3r | My card was called to eth1 (wireless card) |
| 22:41.46 | S4nD3r | Is it easy to rename it to wlan0? |
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| 22:42.37 | abrotman | !tell S4nD3r about 70 |
| 22:44.42 | S4nD3r | sorry |
| 22:44.54 | S4nD3r | My card was called to eth1 (wireless card) |
| 22:44.56 | S4nD3r | Is it easy to rename it to wlan0? |
| 22:45.37 | abrotman | !tell S4nD3r about 70 |
| 22:45.44 | amphi | with udev |
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| 22:47.10 | S4nD3r | thanks |
| 22:47.33 | xxtjaxx | Hi everyone I have started out aking debian packages some time ago mostly binaries/single applications but now I have a project making translations and I would like to cut them from the rest of the application as it should. So the project source code resides in a git repository currently the translation too should i split the repository for my regualar build into translation-clones or should it be kept in the source code packages. just |
| 22:47.34 | xxtjaxx | go down the dirs and build them seperately? |
| 22:48.06 | S4nD3r | I must restart? |
| 22:48.12 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 22:48.13 | dpkg | mentors is, like, the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ http://mentors.debian.net/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org. |
| 22:48.14 | abrotman | S4nD3r: yes |
| 22:48.38 | S4nD3r | just because udevadm trigger didnt do nothing |
| 22:48.40 | S4nD3r | anyway |
| 22:48.48 | S4nD3r | thank you so much men |
| 22:49.07 | S4nD3r | God bless all of you |
| 22:49.18 | S4nD3r | You really are hackers ! |
| 22:50.30 | xxtjaxx | nah rather Unix network administration skills |
| 22:50.53 | jelly-home | doesn't even own an axe |
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| 22:53.03 | [jasper] | does the domain you provide during debian install |
| 22:53.07 | [jasper] | need to be a real domain? |
| 22:53.10 | [jasper] | what is it used for? |
| 22:53.24 | abrotman | no, it does not need to be real |
| 22:53.33 | abrotman | you can change it later if you need to |
| 22:54.03 | [jasper] | but what is it used for |
| 22:54.14 | [jasper] | if I have a domain name which is .nl ...but also have .be ...and .com |
| 22:54.20 | [jasper] | can I just take the part before the . ? |
| 22:54.26 | [jasper] | or is it actually used for something |
| 22:55.18 | jpinx-eeepc | [jasper]: call it anything you want |
| 22:55.36 | jpinx-eeepc | [jasper]: it's used, but you can change it later |
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| 23:01.29 | valdyn | [jasper]: dns domain name and the domain name dont have to match |
| 23:02.03 | valdyn | [jasper]: same for host names , netbios names etc pp |
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| 23:02.52 | mdeonte | I can burn a CD ISO to a DVD, right? |
| 23:03.02 | valdyn | mdeonte: yes |
| 23:03.07 | mdeonte | thanks |
| 23:03.22 | mdeonte | is switching from Ubuntu to Debian :] |
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| 23:03.54 | dvs | !beer mdeonte |
| 23:03.54 | mdeonte | valdyn: Is there a way that I can burn a DVD with the ISO and put other files on it? |
| 23:03.54 | dpkg | pours a litre of Spaten Optimator for mdeonte |
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| 23:04.07 | valdyn | mdeonte: no, not trivially |
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| 23:04.24 | mdeonte | valdyn: would extracting the ISO and rebuilding it with the files in it work? |
| 23:04.25 | jelly-home | ah, the special netinst + pron installer |
| 23:04.26 | valdyn | mdeonte: you would have to extract everything from that iso and create a new bigger iso |
| 23:04.53 | mdeonte | valdyn: right... is there some sort way the ISO has to be built? |
| 23:05.16 | jelly-home | mdeonte: what are you missing on the standard iso? |
| 23:05.16 | valdyn | mdeonte: its a bootable image |
| 23:05.37 | babilen | mdeonte: What is missing from the iso? Why would you want to do this? |
| 23:05.44 | valdyn | mdeonte: bootable cd images embed a floppy image as a file somewhere iirc |
| 23:05.52 | mdeonte | jelly-home: I need to include some files that i need to switch over like a backup of my web server..music, video. ssl certs, gpg keys etc. |
| 23:06.26 | jelly-home | mdeonte: it's much easier to spend two media than to figure out iso remastering |
| 23:06.27 | babilen | mdeonte: Just burn them on a seperate DVD or copy the necessary files to another external medium |
| 23:06.37 | mdeonte | Yeah, that is the problem. I cant find other ones |
| 23:07.09 | babilen | mdeonte: buy some? lend a usb stick/external hdd? |
| 23:07.25 | mdeonte | nvm. found it! |
| 23:07.28 | jelly-home | s/lend/borrow/? |
| 23:07.37 | babilen | *blush* |
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| 23:09.42 | mdeonte | Is there a way to backup a SQL server efficiently? |
| 23:09.48 | mdeonte | MySQL* |
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| 23:10.56 | babilen | mdeonte: dump the databases and backup the configuration |
| 23:11.07 | mdeonte | hmm |
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| 23:11.20 | jelly-home | mdeonte: efficiently? |
| 23:11.30 | luke3321 | Hey guys, do any of you have problems with ekiga segfaulting when you pick up a call? |
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| 23:11.44 | jelly-home | if it's stopped, you're allowed to just copy /var/lib/mysql over, mdeonte |
| 23:11.49 | luke3321 | (testing or unstable version) |
| 23:12.00 | mdeonte | jelly-home: does that include users? |
| 23:12.28 | jelly-home | mdeonte: it includes the database `mysql`, so yes |
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| 23:14.58 | jpinx-eeepc | luke3321: someone came on here a day or 2 ago with something similar and couldn't fix it |
| 23:15.16 | luke3321 | jpinx-eeepc: Really... Interesting... |
| 23:15.46 | jpinx-eeepc | ekiga in stable seems to be ok |
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| 23:15.53 | jpinx-eeepc | but I use linphone |
| 23:16.07 | mdeonte | I think im just going to tar everything and burn it because I know copying 5000 files from a CD is going to take forever |
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| 23:17.29 | jelly-home | or leave that partition in place, and make a new one for Debian |
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| 23:17.49 | luke3321 | jpinx-eeepc: How is linphone? |
| 23:18.09 | jpinx-eeepc | luke3321: "just works!" :) |
| 23:18.24 | luke3321 | haha appropriate |
| 23:18.49 | mdeonte | Is there a way that you can switch from 32 to 64 bit? |
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| 23:19.16 | luke3321 | mdeonte: Reinstall is the only real way to get a true 64bit userspace |
| 23:19.21 | mdeonte | damn. |
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| 23:19.29 | babilen | mdeonte: you can install a 64 bit kernel and keep your 32 bit userland. apart from that, no AFAIK |
| 23:19.44 | luke3321 | mdeonte: Trust me, I had to do a reinstall to get my 64 bit |
| 23:19.45 | mdeonte | damn |
| 23:20.04 | kx-a74 | i have spent an hour on google trying to find the user manual for the Panasonic KX-A74 Tone Remote Controller. can anyone help? |
| 23:20.05 | mdeonte | welll. i guess it wouldnt be that big of a problem |
| 23:20.15 | xxtjaxx | I want to share my gpg key between more than one machine as a default key to sign packages how can I do that? |
| 23:20.42 | babilen | xxtjaxx: copy your key? |
| 23:21.07 | mdeonte | Im pretty sure i got all my files backed up... |
| 23:21.10 | Shadowcat | hey guys |
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| 23:21.28 | Shadowcat | is it normal for grub to get stuck on "Replacing config file /etc/config/grub with new version" |
| 23:21.33 | Shadowcat | or am I pretty screwed? |
| 23:21.44 | Shadowcat | I'm using the latest version of grub from sid |
| 23:22.29 | babilen | Shadowcat: grub in sid is fucked. i have not heard that issue, but you probably don't want to use it |
| 23:22.40 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 23:22.43 | Shadowcat | right now my grub is fucked |
| 23:22.56 | Shadowcat | it's stuck on postinstall |
| 23:22.57 | Shadowcat | :( |
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| 23:23.17 | babilen | report that bug |
| 23:23.19 | TheJoe | Shadowcat: If you're upgrading, GRUB2 isn't being used yet |
| 23:23.41 | babilen | you probably want to use grub from squeeze |
| 23:23.44 | TheJoe | Shadowcat: The old GRUB will chainload to GRUB2 by default |
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| 23:23.49 | Shadowcat | I am using grub2 since I selected it manually |
| 23:23.55 | Shadowcat | that might be creating issues |
| 23:24.01 | TheJoe | Oh right |
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| 23:24.32 | holycow | hi |
| 23:24.50 | holycow | how do i install a package from a repo and tell it to ignore the dependencies, just shove it in regardless? |
| 23:24.56 | holycow | -f doesn't seem to work for this |
| 23:24.56 | mdeonte | Is 5.0 pretty stable enough to run a server 24/7? |
| 23:25.06 | babilen | mdeonte: yes |
| 23:25.28 | mdeonte | knows ubuntu 9.10 isnt :[ |
| 23:25.41 | holycow | i don't think you understand what linux is |
| 23:25.45 | holycow | you can't say anything of the sort |
| 23:25.50 | holycow | its not the distro that is stable |
| 23:25.59 | holycow | its the particular softwre that you are running that is or is not stable |
| 23:26.07 | mdeonte | holycow: I know, dammit |
| 23:26.19 | holycow | k :) |
| 23:26.22 | mdeonte | Ubuntu uses a lot of unstable software |
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| 23:26.37 | holycow | in general you are correct, ubuntu should not be used for server anything |
| 23:26.42 | holycow | they do a piss poor job all around |
| 23:27.14 | mdeonte | I can never compile stuff on Ubuntu |
| 23:27.25 | jelly-home | holycow: you usually don't want to do that, but fix the package either by repacking the contents with an adequeate control file, or by fixing the packaging in osme other way, or rebuilding the package from source to match your debian release |
| 23:27.29 | mdeonte | will..sometimes but rarely |
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| 23:28.20 | jelly-home | holycow: apt can't work when there are packages "shoved in" |
| 23:28.21 | holycow | jelly-home: *nod* yup i understand the consequences. its from a third party and i don't feel like fixing a package, i need to force it in to gain access to a few files/structures then remove it |
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| 23:28.45 | mdeonte | When i burn a CD with files.. will permissions transfer? |
| 23:28.47 | holycow | jelly-home: it should be able to ignore things, its not apt that gets broken from bad dependency resolution, its applications |
| 23:28.56 | holycow | at least i thought it could |
| 23:29.00 | babilen | holycow: man dpkg |
| 23:29.15 | holycow | ack, dpkg. |
| 23:29.19 | jelly-home | holycow: it's apt that cares about dependency resolution, not the apps |
| 23:29.24 | simonrvn | holycow: so unpack it (to a temp dir, then cp/mv into place), make an equivs for that thing |
| 23:29.32 | babilen | holycow: but think before you type. and think again before you hit enter |
| 23:29.42 | holycow | lol |
| 23:29.43 | jelly-home | holycow: download the .deb manually and use dpkg to install, right |
| 23:29.57 | simonrvn | if the packaging is that crap, then i'd do that |
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| 23:30.06 | jelly-home | don't come back crying though :-) |
| 23:30.11 | babilen | holycow: or just install the software yourself in /usr/local or wherever and run it from there |
| 23:30.23 | mdeonte | Is there anything I should know before installing Debian? |
| 23:30.31 | simonrvn | !release notes |
| 23:30.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, lenny release notes is at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/releasenotes . See also http://bugs.debian.org/release-notes and http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny . Also ask me about <i-g>, <installer firmware>, <etch->lenny key>, <errata>. |
| 23:30.36 | holycow | appreciate the help |
| 23:30.42 | mdeonte | tried to install debian last year and it failed |
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| 23:30.59 | babilen | mdeonte: will you be able to come where while installing? |
| 23:31.15 | babilen | mdeonte: or read the release notes/install guide? |
| 23:31.22 | mdeonte | come here*? |
| 23:31.46 | babilen | mdeonte: if you have questions during the install |
| 23:31.52 | mdeonte | right |
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| 23:32.12 | mdeonte | Uhm.. if my sister lets me use her lappy i guess yeah |
| 23:32.31 | mdeonte | babilen: link to install guide? |
| 23:32.37 | mdeonte | !install guide |
| 23:32.37 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 23:32.47 | mdeonte | didnt think that would work |
| 23:33.04 | babilen | mdeonte: debian.org -> install manual |
| 23:33.20 | babilen | mdeonte: hehe |
| 23:33.44 | mdeonte | Now, what FS would you guys reccomend? |
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| 23:34.04 | jelly-home | the default, ext3 |
| 23:34.44 | mdeonte | jelly-home: is reiserfs an option? |
| 23:34.58 | simonrvn | not a sane one ;p |
| 23:35.04 | ScottG | I accidentally typed `mount /dev` and now /dev is empty except for a file named initctl. How can I fix this? |
| 23:35.13 | jelly-home | mdeonte: you asked for a recommendation and you got one |
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| 23:35.38 | mdeonte | jelly-home: i know, thanks. I just wanted to know if it was an option :] |
| 23:35.44 | mdeonte | simonrvn: why? |
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| 23:36.25 | babilen | !tell mdeonte -about reiserfs |
| 23:36.46 | jelly-home | mdeonte: how often do you make backups? |
| 23:37.02 | mdeonte | never |
| 23:37.22 | jelly-home | mdeonte: do you care about time spent or data lost? |
| 23:37.26 | simonrvn | stay away from that then |
| 23:37.38 | mdeonte | time spent jelly-home |
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| 23:37.50 | jelly-home | mercutio22: don't use reiserfs. |
| 23:37.57 | babilen | mdeonte: hell, just use ext3 |
| 23:37.59 | jelly-home | crappytab |
| 23:38.30 | mdeonte | jfs xfs? |
| 23:38.36 | jelly-home | !polls |
| 23:38.36 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 23:39.04 | mdeonte | Okay, ill go with ext3 |
| 23:39.54 | jelly-home | the badgers can be left in their slumber then |
| 23:40.21 | jpinx-eeepc | badgers? |
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| 23:40.57 | valdyn | ScottG: umount /dev |
| 23:41.00 | simonrvn | ^^^ |
| 23:41.18 | mdeonte | !xfs |
| 23:41.18 | dpkg | The filesystem developed by SGI for high-performance (metadata-only) journalling and large disk support. Zeroed files on power failures is fixed since kernel 2.6.17, see e.g. http://lwn.net/Articles/279036/ Supposedly not as mature, in linux, as <ext3>. Unable to be shrunk. Broken on ARM (BTS #423562). http://xfs.org/index.php/XFS_FAQ http://oss.sgi.com/projects/xfs/ #xfs on irc.freenode.net. |
| 23:41.25 | mdeonte | !filesystems |
| 23:41.25 | dpkg | Journaling filesystems in a nutshell: <peterS> fast but dangerous: reiserfs. medium-speed but reliable: ext3. fast, mostly reliable, and *huge*: xfs. slow, probably reliable: jfs. unknown, probably buggy: reiser4. If you have to ask, use <ext3>. Old benchmarks at http://fsbench.netnation.com/ . http://wiki.debian.org/FileSystem #linuxfs on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:41.36 | mdeonte | *huge*? |
| 23:42.02 | jelly-home | > 2TB |
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| 23:42.14 | valdyn | mdeonte: the kernel module is quite big |
| 23:42.22 | valdyn | mdeonte: not like that matters for most users |
| 23:42.31 | mdeonte | like, how big? |
| 23:42.41 | valdyn | mdeonte: go check yourself |
| 23:42.48 | mdeonte | Okay |
| 23:43.24 | mdeonte | 9MB? |
| 23:43.33 | simonrvn | it's one of the biggest modules going, if not the biggest |
| 23:43.36 | valdyn | mdeonte: haha |
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| 23:44.08 | Shadowcat | anyone know how to use the grub rescue prompt? |
| 23:44.09 | mdeonte | *sigh* i dont want to go on a huge google search, can you just tell me |
| 23:44.14 | simonrvn | mdeonte: for a kernel mod, it's huge |
| 23:44.20 | valdyn | mdeonte: ls -l l "file" |
| 23:44.23 | valdyn | mdeonte: ls -l "file" |
| 23:44.36 | valdyn | mdeonte: file you get via : "modinfo xfs" |
| 23:44.42 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 23:44.55 | mdeonte | forget it |
| 23:45.44 | simonrvn | filename: /lib/modules/XXXXXXX/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.ko |
| 23:45.52 | hikenboot | is there any variant of debootstrap that creates a chroot of different arch than the root system? this seems not to work leaving me only with cross lfs. |
| 23:45.59 | simonrvn | not very hard to do... |
| 23:47.38 | [jasper] | guys, what are low level messages |
| 23:47.56 | jelly-home | [jasper]: context? |
| 23:47.58 | valdyn | [jasper]: the output of "dmesg" |
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| 23:49.27 | mdeonte | jelly-home: the installation is a GUI right? |
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| 23:50.20 | babilen | mdeonte: You can choose to use a "graphical installer" |
| 23:50.48 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 23:50.48 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 23:51.08 | simonrvn | please start reading that before i get impatient |
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| 23:55.09 | ScottG | valdyn: When I try that it says that the device is busy |
| 23:56.13 | valdyn | ScottG: its busy if you used cd /dev |
| 23:56.46 | siya_ | evening |
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| 23:57.11 | siya_ | anyone here toyed w Debian on a Dell Axim? |
| 23:58.32 | abrotman | you perhaps ? |
| 23:58.47 | siya_ | abrotman: not yet :) |
| 23:59.12 | siya_ | Though Google has some hits |
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