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| 00:01.32 | Shadowcat | can anyone with a working debian system tell me where the grub binary is located? |
| 00:02.06 | zinx | Shadowcat: which one? |
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| 00:06.22 | siya_ | Shadowcat: do you know what it's called? Or is it just grub? |
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| 00:07.21 | siya_ | hehe, prolly called grub 9why not) my server doesn't have grub... |
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| 00:07.45 | markybob | seriously guys...it's not sunday |
| 00:07.55 | Shadowcat | honestly |
| 00:08.07 | Shadowcat | I'm trying to fix grub at the moment |
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| 00:09.14 | beardy | It is actually. |
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| 00:09.25 | markybob | Shadowcat, umm...i was including you in that comment :P which version? dpkg -L grub-pc or dpkg -L grub |
| 00:09.49 | markybob | abrotman, please save me :P |
| 00:09.51 | Shadowcat | markybob: you wouldn't happen to have a grub-legacy menu.lst file somewhere on your system would you? |
| 00:10.01 | Shadowcat | I managed to install grub-legacy on the system |
| 00:10.04 | Shadowcat | but it has no config tile |
| 00:10.09 | beardy | Just quit. Press the button. |
| 00:10.16 | Shadowcat | all I need to do is to enter the right commands into the grub prompt to boot it manually |
| 00:10.53 | abrotman | markybob: from ? |
| 00:11.00 | simonrvn | himself :P |
| 00:11.06 | Shadowcat | or does any one have one? |
| 00:11.17 | jpinx-eeepc | !polls |
| 00:11.17 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>. |
| 00:11.21 | Shadowcat | anyone have a grub menu file from grub-legacy that they could put on a pastebin? |
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| 00:12.09 | simonrvn | *sigh* i do ... hold please |
| 00:12.15 | siya_ | Shadowcat: I have a grub1 menu.lst file |
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| 00:12.40 | Shadowcat | siya_: you put it on pastebin or send it to me? |
| 00:12.46 | Shadowcat | can you* |
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| 00:12.50 | Shadowcat | missed a word there |
| 00:13.10 | simonrvn | is installing pastebinit |
| 00:13.13 | siya_ | Shadowcat: msg ok? |
| 00:13.18 | Shadowcat | sure |
| 00:13.24 | dclarke | before I vanish into the night here .. are there any special packages I need to install in order for wireless networking to work ? |
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| 00:13.43 | Shadowcat | as long as I get a command string I'll be grateful |
| 00:13.47 | simonrvn | this thing is slow.. |
| 00:13.48 | Shadowcat | hates grub2 |
| 00:13.49 | beardy | dclarke: Depends on your network. If you use wpa, which you should. |
| 00:13.57 | dclarke | beardy: I do |
| 00:14.01 | beardy | dclarke: wpa-supplicant |
| 00:14.10 | dclarke | awesome ... let me search for that |
| 00:14.33 | dclarke | hrmm |
| 00:14.39 | dclarke | nothing found with aptitude |
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| 00:14.59 | dclarke | wpasupplicant |
| 00:15.04 | dclarke | no dash there |
| 00:15.07 | beardy | Ah yes. My mistake. |
| 00:15.12 | dclarke | i A wpasupplicant - Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802 |
| 00:15.16 | dclarke | looks like I have it |
| 00:15.18 | simonrvn | Shadowcat: http://pastebin.com/fab4bb5d |
| 00:15.30 | dclarke | I wonder how to get it ... working now |
| 00:15.49 | beardy | dclarke: Then you should be fine once you configure it. |
| 00:15.57 | dclarke | simonrvn: by the way, in case you noticed, I'm not working on the PowerPC install anymore .. I left it till next week |
| 00:16.10 | simonrvn | dclarke: fresh brain etc. ? |
| 00:16.11 | Shadowcat | thanks simonrvn |
| 00:16.17 | dclarke | beardy: that would be the trick .. I'll go looking in interfaces and see if I can figure out what the interface name is |
| 00:16.20 | beardy | !wpasupplicant |
| 00:16.20 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 00:16.39 | dclarke | simonrvn: no .. I'll wait for the scotch bottle to be empty and the hang over and crying to stop |
| 00:16.52 | simonrvn | heh :( |
| 00:17.08 | dclarke | simonrvn: no really .. it has been brutal to get that thing working |
| 00:17.12 | mdeonte | alright. im off to install wish me luck |
| 00:17.16 | beardy | dclarke: Yeah. You configure it in /etc/network/interfaces, and specify a wpasupplicant conf in there, and do the rest in /etc/wpasupplicant/nameofconfig.conf, your keys, SSID and so on. |
| 00:17.27 | dclarke | I wish you farewell and great luck |
| 00:18.00 | simonrvn | dclarke: i can only imagine... not having proper driver support in a distro kernel and no way to build one isn't easy. |
| 00:18.02 | simonrvn | you too |
| 00:18.08 | dclarke | hrmmm |
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| 00:19.05 | dclarke | simonrvn: well .. I have it all fully installed .. but can not boot linux-2.6.26-2-powerpc with insmod=pata_mpc52xx regardless of what small animals I sacrifice. And I'm all out of cats now |
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| 00:19.50 | simonrvn | maybe you need to tweak initramfs-tools' module list? |
| 00:19.50 | dclarke | drat |
| 00:19.50 | dclarke | pasiphae:~# ls -lap /etc/wpasupplicant/nameofconfig.conf |
| 00:19.50 | dclarke | No such file or directory |
| 00:19.59 | dclarke | hrmmm .. I wonder whats up wit hthat missing .. perhaps a reboot it needed .. |
| 00:19.59 | Shadowcat | for the record |
| 00:20.04 | Shadowcat | GOD I HATE GRUB2 |
| 00:20.16 | beardy | dclarke: No.. that means you decide what you want to call your config file. |
| 00:20.17 | simonrvn | WorksForMe |
| 00:20.24 | dclarke | Shadowcat: I did a port of it years ago to PPC. I hated myself for months after that |
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| 00:20.26 | beardy | dclarke: Copy the example one already there. |
| 00:20.38 | dclarke | beardy: I'll go looking for that example |
| 00:20.59 | Shadowcat | dclarke: I just had to do an aptitude upgrade at 23:00 in the evening |
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| 00:21.39 | dclarke | beardy: just FYI, the package is called wpasupplicant but the conf dir is wpa_supplicant under etc. that would cause confusion probably on recalling a package name |
| 00:22.36 | simonrvn | dclarke: would be nice having grub2 work with ppc |
| 00:22.39 | beardy | dclarke: Indeed. |
| 00:23.02 | simonrvn | having a non-lilo-like bootloader for oldworld mac ppcs would be nice. |
| 00:23.02 | beardy | dclarke: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples have a look there and base your config on the most suitable one |
| 00:23.13 | dclarke | simonrvn: I can use yaboot |
| 00:23.43 | beardy | dclarke: One can also use this Network Manager thing. |
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| 00:23.47 | simonrvn | quik is nice, but it's starting to grate ... |
| 00:24.06 | beardy | dclarke: Some gui thing supposedly with support for wpa, but quite blunt afaik.. |
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| 00:24.14 | Shadowcat | also |
| 00:25.03 | Shadowcat | what is it with sysv-rc complaining about dependency boot? |
| 00:25.09 | dclarke | beardy: I'll read the man pages and hammer through it .. I am sure the solution will present itself after a while |
| 00:25.12 | simonrvn | ignore it |
| 00:25.33 | Shadowcat | simonrvn: well it says it fails to convert it |
| 00:25.37 | Shadowcat | should I be concerned about hat? |
| 00:25.39 | Shadowcat | that* |
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| 00:26.18 | simonrvn | no. not for you to worry about except maybe file a bug report updating the status. |
| 00:26.35 | beardy | dclarke: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 00:26.41 | siya_ | notices just a 'few' php5 apt package updates... |
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| 00:27.09 | beardy | dclarke: Other things on that page too if you scroll up, should be everything you need. :) |
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| 00:27.16 | b_52light_ | hi |
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| 00:28.15 | dclarke | beardy: awesome ... the level of awesome with debian is .. well .. not to overuse the term but certianly to illustrate its flexibility; awesome |
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| 00:28.29 | beardy | dclarke: Yep. |
| 00:28.39 | Shadowcat | awsome |
| 00:28.47 | Shadowcat | now I know exactly what a pain in the ass grub2 is |
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| 00:29.21 | dclarke | laughs at that page |
| 00:29.30 | abrotman | prefers grub2 |
| 00:29.31 | dclarke | it says "# sensible-editor /etc/network/interfaces" <-- the new user would type that |
| 00:29.40 | Shadowcat | abrotman: yes, WHEN IT WORKS |
| 00:29.49 | abrotman | haven't had a problem with it yet |
| 00:29.51 | Shadowcat | this machine is staying at grub-legacy until it gets unfucked |
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| 00:30.12 | beardy | dclarke: The thing is that there is a 'sensible-editor'. |
| 00:30.13 | Shadowcat | abrotman: yes, I'm just lucky enough to run aptitude upgrade when both apt and grub2 are broken |
| 00:30.20 | dclarke | no |
| 00:30.22 | Shadowcat | thank god I caught the apt error before I ran the update |
| 00:30.25 | dclarke | beardy: really ? |
| 00:30.35 | beardy | dclarke: Yes. |
| 00:30.35 | abrotman | Shadowcat: apt-listbugs and /topic #debian-devel |
| 00:30.47 | Shadowcat | abrotman: yeah, I saw that |
| 00:30.51 | beardy | dclarke: Configurable via the alternatives system. |
| 00:30.55 | abrotman | Shadowcat: http://wiki.debian.org/TopicDebianDevel |
| 00:30.59 | Shadowcat | grub2 in testing gets stuck at post instal |
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| 00:31.19 | Shadowcat | 1.97 beta1 is broken as well |
| 00:31.29 | beardy | dclarke: nano by default |
| 00:31.40 | dvs | Shadowcat, not for me |
| 00:31.56 | abrotman | Shadowcat: it works fine here |
| 00:31.59 | Shadowcat | dvs: did you get past the post install stage? |
| 00:32.11 | b_52light_ | plz help me with this http://pastebin.com/m382ee67e |
| 00:32.18 | dclarke | beardy: not POSIX.1 spec vi ? ;-) |
| 00:32.21 | Shadowcat | mine got stuck at "Setting new /etc/default/grub.cfg file" |
| 00:32.28 | Shadowcat | stayed there for over 5 min |
| 00:32.31 | dvs | Shadowcat, grub 1.97 is fully installed for me. But I use squeeze |
| 00:32.33 | Shadowcat | and didn't move |
| 00:32.35 | beardy | dclarke: Nope. Think it changed from elvis in sarge. |
| 00:32.41 | Shadowcat | dvs: so do I |
| 00:32.46 | Shadowcat | it's pinned to squeeze |
| 00:32.56 | Shadowcat | maybe it's because I upgraded 99% of the system at the same time |
| 00:33.01 | siya_ | abrotman: upgrading to grub2 isn't always fun |
| 00:33.12 | b_52light_ | any help with xhost thing |
| 00:33.14 | Shadowcat | either way I'm not attempting it again tonight |
| 00:33.22 | abrotman | siya_: i'll say again .. always worked here |
| 00:33.24 | siya_ | had a bit too much to read up on... |
| 00:33.26 | Shadowcat | siya_: the funny part is that this was a grub2 TO grub2 install |
| 00:33.28 | dvs | Shadowcat, probably. I installed grub along with a small amounts of updates |
| 00:33.35 | dclarke | oh crap .. this office only uses wep ... hrmmm that is an issue I think |
| 00:33.42 | Shadowcat | so I actually downgraded to grub1 out of necessity |
| 00:33.52 | Shadowcat | and it's gonna stay there for now |
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| 00:33.57 | beardy | dclarke: For the office yes, not for wpasupplicant. |
| 00:33.58 | Shadowcat | not gonna screw with it again |
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| 00:35.05 | dvs | Shadowcat, well, grub2 is going to be the default boot loader. |
| 00:37.01 | beardy | dclarke: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wep.conf |
| 00:37.02 | abrotman | on new installs .. though IIRC grub1 is dead upstream |
| 00:37.20 | dvs | it is |
| 00:37.31 | Shadowcat | yeah |
| 00:37.37 | Shadowcat | and I'm a sucker for punishment |
| 00:37.39 | Shadowcat | here goes nothing |
| 00:38.01 | Shadowcat | needs to file a bug against grub2 about this |
| 00:38.02 | dclarke | beardy: that is exactly the one I used |
| 00:38.09 | dclarke | beardy: for this office at least |
| 00:38.29 | Shadowcat | as it stands now you can't upgrade the base system and then install grub |
| 00:38.31 | Shadowcat | it breaks |
| 00:38.41 | Shadowcat | grub2 confirmed working when ONLY upgrading that package |
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| 00:39.31 | b_52light_ | plz somebody for xhost+ rescue :d |
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| 00:41.27 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 00:41.30 | Shadowcat | w00t, works |
| 00:41.30 | dvs | they'll have to fix that before squeeze |
| 00:41.53 | internat | !dist-upgrade |
| 00:41.53 | Shadowcat | dvs: yes they do |
| 00:41.53 | internat | whats the safe way of doing a dist upgradge? |
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| 00:41.55 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; in lenny, aptitude calls dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist-upgrade> <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze> <full-upgrade> |
| 00:41.56 | Shadowcat | there is no safe way |
| 00:41.57 | Shadowcat | really |
| 00:42.01 | dvs | oh, i take that back |
| 00:42.03 | jpinx-eeepc | internat: from what to what |
| 00:42.07 | Shadowcat | expect breakage |
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| 00:42.10 | internat | etch to lenny. |
| 00:42.20 | abrotman | !tell internat about etch->lenny |
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| 00:42.26 | jpinx-eeepc | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 00:42.26 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 00:42.29 | Shadowcat | dvs: I think what broke it was the udev upgrade |
| 00:42.33 | abrotman | !tell jpinx-eeepc about tell |
| 00:42.33 | nkuttler | b_52light_: what are you trying to do? |
| 00:42.40 | jpinx-eeepc | internat: follow the instructions to the letter |
| 00:42.40 | Shadowcat | actually, udev, /dev/sh, apt, and dpkg |
| 00:42.50 | Shadowcat | I upgraded pretty much the entire system |
| 00:42.53 | b_52light_ | nkuttler, i got a postgres default user and want to open a graphical tool with it |
| 00:42.56 | internat | ta |
| 00:43.05 | Shadowcat | oh cool, new version of KDE |
| 00:43.19 | jpinx-eeepc | internat: it does work, but only if you follow the how-to |
| 00:43.20 | nkuttler | !tell b_52light_ about root x |
| 00:44.06 | abrotman | you mean the release notes? |
| 00:44.13 | dvs | my KDE gives me an error when starting up |
| 00:44.31 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: no - I mean this |
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| 00:44.37 | internat | yeah i expected that it will, just couldnt remember the exact steps :) |
| 00:44.43 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell abrotman about etch->lenny |
| 00:44.53 | nkuttler | !tell dvs about errors |
| 00:45.11 | Shadowcat | dvs: what release/version? |
| 00:45.16 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: there's no HOWTO there .. |
| 00:45.35 | internat | s/how-to/list of instructions. |
| 00:45.46 | jpinx-eeepc | internat: you get it ;) |
| 00:46.01 | b_52light_ | nkuttler, thks |
| 00:46.03 | siya_ | Apt "Current status: 227 updates [+226], 7593 new [+517]" EEK |
| 00:46.04 | dvs | Shadowcat, the current one in testing. Basically, the display manager will not start so I get a dialog box prompting me to start metacity |
| 00:46.19 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 00:46.25 | Shadowcat | did you install the display manager? |
| 00:46.33 | Shadowcat | also, are you using kdm or gdm? |
| 00:47.11 | dvs | Shadowcat, I'm using gdm and I assumed that it would just upgrade the one I was using before |
| 00:47.27 | Shadowcat | hmm... that maybe the problem |
| 00:47.40 | Shadowcat | KDE is notorious for not liking other display managers |
| 00:47.48 | Shadowcat | I use KDM exclusively for local login |
| 00:48.10 | Shadowcat | I remember having trouble with KDE 4.2.2 |
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| 00:48.54 | dvs | I guess I can try to use another display manager. I can still use it after I pick another display manager. |
| 00:49.50 | Shadowcat | tip though, don't use KDE with VNC |
| 00:50.04 | Shadowcat | all the colors get distorted |
| 00:50.05 | Shadowcat | :( |
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| 00:51.16 | Macer | hm. zimbra seems to run a little better in debian compared to centos |
| 00:51.41 | Tux^verdreifelt | don't use kde at all |
| 00:51.44 | Shadowcat | is most likely going to host a web services cluster using debian |
| 00:51.47 | Tux^verdreifelt | kde is bloatware. |
| 00:52.06 | Macer | kde is pretty rough. but it's actually a nice enviroment compared to most |
| 00:52.08 | Shadowcat | Tux^verdreifelt: KDE was/is still easier to get used to when coming from Windows |
| 00:52.12 | Macer | as long as you have the gibson to run it |
| 00:52.25 | Macer | or skynet |
| 00:52.47 | Shadowcat | shh.... don't tell people we're distributing skynet with the base system |
| 00:52.52 | Shadowcat | people aren't supposed to know |
| 00:52.55 | Macer | Shadowcat: haha |
| 00:53.03 | Macer | yeah. this is how judgement day started.. with kde |
| 00:53.15 | Shadowcat | more like libskynet |
| 00:53.22 | Tux^verdreifelt | Shadowcat: that's not a reason to use it (for me) |
| 00:53.23 | Tux^verdreifelt | :p |
| 00:53.27 | Macer | skynet adapts.. even through time paradox |
| 00:53.41 | Shadowcat | is using mac on this particular system |
| 00:53.50 | Shadowcat | Mac OS X 10.6 |
| 00:54.06 | Macer | snow leopard? :) |
| 00:54.09 | Shadowcat | yes |
| 00:54.11 | Macer | did apple run out of cats? |
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| 00:54.22 | Macer | 10.6 was supposed to have zfs.. what a letdown |
| 00:54.37 | Macer | like a week before release they removed all the zfs stuff from their web site |
| 00:54.44 | Shadowcat | yeah... I highly doubt zfs will come to mac os x anytime soon |
| 00:54.49 | Macer | that's a shame |
| 00:54.52 | Macer | zfs is awesome |
| 00:55.02 | Macer | at least it is on my opensolaris box |
| 00:55.07 | Shadowcat | Adobe can't even be bothered to fix their software for Case Sensitive HFS+ |
| 00:55.13 | Shadowcat | which is pathetic if you ask me |
| 00:55.19 | Macer | ugh. i hate hfs |
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| 00:55.24 | Macer | high performance my ass :) |
| 00:55.35 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 00:55.35 | Shadowcat | Macer: I hate it even more considering it's case insensitive |
| 00:55.37 | Shadowcat | :( |
| 00:55.42 | Macer | then apple removed the ability to use ufs |
| 00:55.54 | Macer | i could have blown up the apple corperate office that day |
| 00:56.02 | Shadowcat | you can still use those file systems if you manage to compile your own kext files |
| 00:56.12 | Macer | osx forks files over the network |
| 00:56.16 | Macer | like smb and nfs fork |
| 00:56.17 | Shadowcat | .... |
| 00:56.30 | Macer | so you get file and ._file .. it drove me nuts |
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| 00:56.43 | Shadowcat | all I know is that with Linux I can read and most of the time write pretty much any file system on the planet |
| 00:56.54 | Shadowcat | when I'm in Windows, I can rw most major Linux filesystems |
| 00:57.15 | Shadowcat | but I can't find a decent HFS+ rw driver in Windows, even if I were willing to pay for it |
| 00:57.30 | Macer | i wouldn't use hfs if i could avoid it |
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| 00:58.11 | Macer | which was why i was actually happy that sl was going to have zfs .. which is a god fs :) |
| 00:58.11 | Macer | they should have called it skynetfs |
| 00:58.11 | Shadowcat | well... I don't really have much a choice as long as I'm using this system |
| 00:58.26 | Macer | sure you do :) you can install debian on it |
| 00:58.29 | Shadowcat | doesn't see what's wrong with ext4 |
| 00:58.29 | Macer | or opensolaris ;0 |
| 00:58.36 | Shadowcat | Macer: on a macbook? |
| 00:58.39 | Macer | sure |
| 00:58.42 | Macer | i ran it on mine |
| 00:58.44 | Shadowcat | I _do_ want to graduate too you know |
| 00:59.00 | Shadowcat | also, if I do that they'll skin me alive the next time I bring my laptop to the computer lab |
| 00:59.09 | Macer | it worked pretty well actually. with the exception that the wifi tethering to an adhoc network didn't work |
| 00:59.19 | Macer | Shadowcat: just put apple stuff all over it :) |
| 00:59.27 | Macer | like an apple background and tell them it's osx 10.7 |
| 00:59.34 | Shadowcat | is gonna attempt debian on this machine one day |
| 00:59.38 | Macer | that's what i used to do with mine when i ran kde on it |
| 00:59.40 | Shadowcat | once I get a big enough hard drive |
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| 01:00.02 | Macer | i used to tell them it was an unreleased version that apple sent me personally :) |
| 01:00.05 | Macer | hahaha |
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| 01:00.14 | Shadowcat | I'm still waiting for the hd manufacturers to release a 1gb 2.5" 9.5mm hd |
| 01:00.17 | Macer | steve brought it to me when he was in chicago haha |
| 01:00.19 | Shadowcat | then I'm in business :D |
| 01:00.27 | Shadowcat | err 1tb |
| 01:00.48 | Shadowcat | right now I'm using a 500gb HD, and I'm filling it up :( |
| 01:00.48 | Macer | well. maybe ssd stuff will get cheaper and larger soon enough |
| 01:00.59 | Macer | well. i keep most of my stuff on my 8TB fileserver |
| 01:01.09 | Shadowcat | also, I'm using an older macbook, so I still have my firewire and mic ports |
| 01:01.21 | Macer | yeah. mine does too |
| 01:01.24 | Shadowcat | combo ports, what is Apple thinking |
| 01:01.26 | Macer | it's older. like almost 2 years old |
| 01:01.36 | Shadowcat | has the macbook white nvidia |
| 01:01.37 | Macer | i always found it odd they put them on the left side |
| 01:01.45 | Shadowcat | I like that actually |
| 01:01.51 | Macer | well. i'm left handed |
| 01:01.51 | Shadowcat | my old acer had the ports on the left side |
| 01:01.54 | Shadowcat | so I'm used to it |
| 01:02.00 | Shadowcat | oh yeah, funny thing |
| 01:02.02 | Macer | but i figured since most people are right handed... :) |
| 01:02.11 | Macer | maybe steve is left handed haha |
| 01:02.14 | dvs | they do have a 640gb now |
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| 01:02.30 | Macer | i could honestly survive with 100G :) |
| 01:02.30 | Shadowcat | up until a few months ago you had to install Windows and run Windows media player with CoreAVC to be able to play 1080p on a mac |
| 01:02.36 | Macer | i really don't need tha tmuch space |
| 01:02.37 | soul | hey using apt-get how can i remove a package and all its dependencies? |
| 01:02.59 | Macer | soul apt-get remove pkgname |
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| 01:03.07 | asidjazz | whats the command to install a local .deb package |
| 01:03.09 | Macer | and it will tell you how to remove its unnecessary deps |
| 01:03.11 | Shadowcat | I really found it funny that you had to install Windows on your mac to be able to fully utilize the "awsome" graphics card they integrated in the first place |
| 01:03.21 | beardy | asidjazz: dpkg --install package.deb |
| 01:03.22 | Macer | asidjazz: dpkg -i pkg.deb |
| 01:03.29 | Shadowcat | and even now Quicktime X can't play 1080p properly when in windowed mode |
| 01:03.41 | soul | Macer: that removes only that package not its dependencies |
| 01:03.42 | asidjazz | graci |
| 01:03.42 | Macer | the intel? |
| 01:03.59 | Macer | soul: well. when you run apt-get it shows you what the flag is to remove the deps |
| 01:04.02 | Macer | :) |
| 01:04.09 | Macer | i just don't remember what it was off te top of my head |
| 01:04.10 | Shadowcat | Macer: if you want to play 1080p media in mac os x you have to use Plex |
| 01:04.11 | asidjazz | i cant use apt-get for this one the repo is down right now |
| 01:04.18 | Shadowcat | Quicktime X hacks |
| 01:04.25 | Macer | Shadowcat: mine has the 945 in it |
| 01:04.25 | Shadowcat | but, Windows Media Player plays it just fine |
| 01:04.30 | Macer | what a piece of crap that thing is in osx :) |
| 01:04.32 | Macer | it's slow |
| 01:04.37 | Macer | it was very slow in linux too |
| 01:04.41 | Shadowcat | Macer: see if plex can handle it, you might get lucky |
| 01:04.56 | Macer | i'm talking the 3D stuff |
| 01:05.11 | Macer | like i had a win box with the same chipset and it ran like 2x faster for games and certain things |
| 01:05.27 | Shadowcat | yeah.... well.... it's only a matter of time until Apple has to go back to integrated graphics |
| 01:05.29 | dclarke | problem in paradise here ... I can not get my wireless interface to detect/receive and DHCP offers .. in fact, I don't think the interface is even coming up |
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| 01:05.40 | Shadowcat | since Intel won't grant nvidia a license for their new Quickpath Interconnect |
| 01:05.42 | Shadowcat | :( |
| 01:05.57 | Macer | Shadowcat: yeah that's what i heard |
| 01:06.05 | Shadowcat | dclarke: what does the boot up sequence say? |
| 01:06.09 | Shadowcat | also, check /dev |
| 01:06.13 | Macer | that's just going to push the market towards amd :) |
| 01:06.23 | zinx | Shadowcat: i thought Apple used ATI cards |
| 01:06.26 | Shadowcat | no, that's just going to mean that macs will get even more expensive |
| 01:06.37 | Shadowcat | zinx: the previous generation of macbook pros did |
| 01:06.40 | Macer | what ever happened to the laptops with the removable gpus? |
| 01:06.41 | dclarke | Shadowcat: I set debug at boot and I have two interfaces, both wireless and I verified their mac addresses are seen with iwconfig |
| 01:06.47 | Macer | i thought that was supposed to be the next great thing |
| 01:06.47 | Shadowcat | but now Apple is going exclusively with nvidia |
| 01:07.00 | Shadowcat | Macer: Gigabyte makes one |
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| 01:07.03 | Macer | more expensive? :) |
| 01:07.07 | Macer | do they? |
| 01:07.09 | dclarke | Shadowcat: so I know the interfaces are there, and ifconfig reports them and iwconfig reports data on them |
| 01:07.16 | Macer | how good is the support? lots of manufacturers using them? |
| 01:07.21 | Macer | like nvidia and ati? |
| 01:07.23 | dclarke | I set the 128 bit Encryption key but .. still |
| 01:07.24 | Shadowcat | Macer: my guess is that Apple will start including entry level gpus on all their machines |
| 01:07.26 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:07.26 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:07.30 | markybob | zinx, maybe soon. http://www.pcworld.com/article/167784/report_apple_bailing_on_nvidia.html |
| 01:07.30 | Shadowcat | once they migrate to i7 and i5 |
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| 01:07.35 | Macer | Shadowcat: yeah. i wouldn't doubt that |
| 01:07.41 | Macer | but then again i'm sure intel will make their stuff faster |
| 01:07.53 | Shadowcat | Macer: Intel graphics? doubtful |
| 01:07.59 | Shadowcat | anyhow, yeah, back to debian |
| 01:08.04 | Shadowcat | before abrotman gets mad |
| 01:08.07 | Macer | possible :) i740s weren't so bad when they came out |
| 01:08.10 | seniorake | i just created a ramdik, using mkdir /tmp/foo, mke2fs /dev/ram0 and mounted it. it has a size of 8MB, how can i modify that size to eg. 20MB? |
| 01:08.14 | abrotman | Shadowcat: or go to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:08.26 | Shadowcat | dclarke: have you tried manually setting an ip address on them? |
| 01:08.50 | dclarke | Shadowcat: good idea ! |
| 01:09.03 | Macer | what kind of enciphering? |
| 01:09.04 | dclarke | Shadowcat: umm and no .. I set iface wlan0 inet dhcp in the interfaces file |
| 01:09.12 | Macer | 128bit wep? |
| 01:09.12 | jelly-home | seniorake: is there a special reason for you using ramdisks instead of tmpfs or ramfs? |
| 01:09.12 | Shadowcat | actually I'm really interested in when hardware accelerated video will be working properly for linux |
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| 01:09.22 | Shadowcat | dclarke: you can use iwconfig to ovverride |
| 01:09.26 | Shadowcat | override* |
| 01:09.28 | Macer | and does iwconfig on its own show you the device? |
| 01:09.32 | Shadowcat | set a manual ip and see what happens |
| 01:09.40 | dclarke | I used uwconfig to verify that the interface had the encryption key |
| 01:09.55 | seniorake | jelly-home: no, i just want a directory which is stored in my ram, is there any better way to do this? |
| 01:09.57 | Shadowcat | check ifconfig as well |
| 01:10.09 | Shadowcat | if I recall correctly |
| 01:10.12 | Shadowcat | iwconfig can be a bit iffy |
| 01:10.21 | dclarke | ifconfig wlan1 up |
| 01:10.24 | dclarke | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 01:10.25 | Macer | iwconfig used to work great for me |
| 01:10.28 | dclarke | thats weird |
| 01:10.29 | Macer | is it wlan1? |
| 01:10.35 | dclarke | er... |
| 01:10.36 | Shadowcat | dclarke: what's its alias in udev? |
| 01:10.39 | jelly-home | seniorake: yes... use ramfs. Or tmpfs if you want swap to be used as backend in case of memory shortage |
| 01:10.40 | Shadowcat | it might be eth2 |
| 01:10.42 | dclarke | smacks self in head |
| 01:10.42 | Macer | do iwconfig on its own :) |
| 01:10.46 | Macer | and it will show you the device name |
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| 01:10.52 | Macer | if it is started correctly |
| 01:11.09 | seniorake | thanks for the hint, i'll look it up |
| 01:11.11 | dclarke | well iwconfig wlan1 confirms that the interface is there and the Encryption key is set correctly |
| 01:11.16 | dclarke | so yes .. it is wlan1 |
| 01:11.23 | Shadowcat | back when I had debian on my laptop my wireless was always eth2 for some reason |
| 01:11.26 | Macer | hm. weird that it's called wlan1 |
| 01:11.31 | Shadowcat | I never got iwconfig working properly |
| 01:11.37 | dclarke | I have two wireless interfaces |
| 01:11.37 | Macer | you should eliminate the encryption altogether |
| 01:11.39 | seniorake | what's the better fs to use here for my purpose? |
| 01:11.41 | dclarke | wlan0 and wlan1 |
| 01:11.44 | Macer | and just try to connect open just for a bit to amke sure it works |
| 01:12.01 | Macer | if it does then you just have an encryption issue |
| 01:12.02 | seniorake | i simply want a directory/partition of say 20MB which is stored in RAM for fast access |
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| 01:12.08 | dclarke | I can not change the router .. but I have been given the 128 bit hex key for it |
| 01:12.12 | Shadowcat | also, if your access point uses encryption you need to make VERY sure that your config file is correct |
| 01:12.17 | Shadowcat | otherwise it won't connect |
| 01:12.25 | jelly-home | seniorake: tmpfs if you're alright with the possibility of some of that data ending up on disk |
| 01:12.27 | Shadowcat | or, if you're using gnome or kde just let them handle the interface |
| 01:12.34 | Shadowcat | instead of hacking it using the console tools |
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| 01:12.44 | Shadowcat | they will auto-connect as soon as you login |
| 01:12.53 | Macer | ifconfig wlan1 down |
| 01:13.16 | Macer | iwconfig wlan1 essid <name> |
| 01:13.16 | Macer | iwconfig wlan1 key <key> |
| 01:13.16 | seniorake | well i want to copy serveral binaries to that partition, how could i determine if they end up on disk? does that happen when RAM is full and the data becomes stored on swap? |
| 01:13.16 | dclarke | Macer: done ! |
| 01:13.17 | dclarke | pasiphae:/etc/network# ifconfig wlan1 down |
| 01:13.23 | dvs | uses wpasupplicant |
| 01:13.24 | Macer | hm... trying to remember |
| 01:13.35 | Macer | there was something else that was supposed to come after key :) |
| 01:13.41 | seniorake | i do not want that data on the harddisk under any circumstances, it always has to stay in ram |
| 01:13.52 | Shadowcat | seniorake: how paranoid are you? |
| 01:13.53 | Macer | ifconfig wlan1 up |
| 01:13.57 | Macer | dhcpcd wlan1 |
| 01:13.57 | dclarke | Macer: ifconfig wlan1 up ? |
| 01:14.05 | Macer | or whatever you use for dhcp |
| 01:14.06 | dclarke | SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory |
| 01:14.13 | Macer | wtf? :) |
| 01:14.18 | dclarke | thats what it says |
| 01:14.23 | Macer | but you can bring it down? |
| 01:14.31 | dclarke | yep |
| 01:14.32 | seniorake | paranoid? there is a situaion i want to prevent with high I/O with the harddisks, so this has to stay in ram |
| 01:14.33 | dclarke | just did |
| 01:14.38 | Shadowcat | try /etc/init.d/network restart |
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| 01:14.49 | Shadowcat | that should bring up every single interface |
| 01:14.49 | Macer | you using some type of X wifi manager? |
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| 01:14.57 | dclarke | Macer: su: /etc/init.d/network: No such file or directory |
| 01:15.14 | dclarke | Macer: I'm on an xterm |
| 01:15.28 | jelly-home | the script's called "networking" |
| 01:15.31 | Macer | dclarke: you have 2 wifi interfaces? |
| 01:15.34 | Shadowcat | sorry, networking |
| 01:15.35 | dclarke | so no GUI .. and I am ssh'ed in via the wired interface ( eth0 ) which ddoes work |
| 01:15.47 | Shadowcat | ./etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:16.00 | Shadowcat | that should bring up every interface |
| 01:16.00 | dclarke | Shadowcat: okay .. there we go .. I just lost my ssh session .. so that worked :-) |
| 01:16.04 | jelly-home | dclarke: oh, if you do that ^^ there's a possibility you'll lose eth0 |
| 01:16.07 | Macer | haha |
| 01:16.15 | dclarke | yeah .. well we know it worked :-) |
| 01:16.17 | Shadowcat | bah... relogin |
| 01:16.24 | Macer | yeah i just remember 128bit wifi beign incredibly easy to do manually |
| 01:16.26 | beardy | dclarke: Use tab completion, and you find /etc/init.d/networking |
| 01:16.42 | jelly-home | dclarke: no, if it'd worked the device would have come back |
| 01:16.47 | dclarke | oops ... it didn't come back |
| 01:17.09 | Shadowcat | you can't relogin? |
| 01:17.14 | Macer | hahahaha yeah i wouldn't have restarted the services :) |
| 01:17.21 | Macer | especially if i wasnt local |
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| 01:17.26 | Shadowcat | if you can't you have bigger problems than just a non working ethernet connection |
| 01:17.30 | Macer | that's a mistake you only make once :) |
| 01:17.38 | jelly-home | Shadowcat: if it'd worked there'd be no reason to relogin as the tcp connection would have been left working |
| 01:17.43 | beardy | Well, then that's over and done. |
| 01:17.44 | Shadowcat | yeah, I assumed he was logged in locally |
| 01:17.51 | Shadowcat | jelly-home: good point |
| 01:17.52 | dclarke | Macer: well .. the server is right beside me .. so no biggie |
| 01:17.54 | Macer | jelly-home: not if he lost the dhcp lease |
| 01:18.02 | TheJoe | Strange, scummvm and dosbox (so I'm guessing it's an SDL thing) cause my monitor to complain about "Input Not Supported" when they're in fullscreen |
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| 01:18.10 | seniorake | hm, as far as i figured this out now - using tmpfs as a ramdisk with say 50MB of size - it uses the swap only in that case when i want to store more than 50MB on that partition, true? not when for example, the RAM becomes full at all so that the kernel decides to put the data from tmpfs into swap? |
| 01:18.26 | seniorake | to gain these 50MB |
| 01:18.33 | seniorake | for other usage for example |
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| 01:18.49 | Shadowcat | back when I was troubleshooting networking in debian I used to just reboot the machine if all else failed |
| 01:19.02 | jelly-home | Macer: oh, right. Still, a server implies a static configuration. |
| 01:19.04 | das_netz | hello |
| 01:19.05 | Shadowcat | sometimes the ifconfig, iwconfig, ifup etc just screws with the system too much |
| 01:19.19 | das_netz | dont umount filsystem at shutdown my pc |
| 01:19.21 | jelly-home | seniorake: right |
| 01:19.24 | Macer | Shadowcat: never had a problem with it :) seemed quicker |
| 01:19.26 | das_netz | anybody can u help me? |
| 01:19.31 | Macer | although yeha. i'd rather use wpasupplicant |
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| 01:19.51 | jelly-home | das_netz: what is your native language? |
| 01:20.10 | das_netz | jelly-home: spanish |
| 01:20.13 | das_netz | jelly-home: sorry |
| 01:20.17 | jelly-home | !es |
| 01:20.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:20.19 | dclarke | Shadowcat: well, I think I'll shutdown and then remove a wireless interface here |
| 01:20.39 | das_netz | jelly-home: they cannot help me |
| 01:20.43 | Shadowcat | hmm |
| 01:20.50 | Shadowcat | I wonder if Google Wave includes an IRC like service |
| 01:20.51 | das_netz | they not know |
| 01:21.00 | seniorake | well, then there is no problem, so when I know that the usage won't get any larger than 50MB this means that the data always is going to stay in RAM |
| 01:21.12 | seniorake | thanks for the help |
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| 01:22.07 | abrotman | das_netz: which version of Debian, what's the error? |
| 01:22.44 | das_netz | abrotman: debian testing |
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| 01:24.16 | dclarke | okay folks, I rebooted this box and now its taking its sweet time to boot with lots of traffic on the console about "unable to fetch firmware" and wlan0 down etc etc |
| 01:24.46 | dclarke | so I logged in via the wired network : Linux pasiphae 2.6.26-2-486 #1 Wed Nov 4 20:19:07 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 01:24.49 | Macer | heh |
| 01:25.10 | dclarke | Macer: I had option debug on the boot line for lots of details |
| 01:25.12 | Macer | i seriously should have hooked up a cable to upload all this junk to my zimbra server |
| 01:25.42 | Macer | dclarke: this is a stationary server? |
| 01:25.55 | Macer | why don't you just plug it into a switch connected to the router? |
| 01:26.45 | Macer | dclarke: i'm honestly goign to go out on a limb and figure that if you only have 1 wifi interface and it is detecting as wlan1 .. then there is something wrong with your wifi modules |
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| 01:27.03 | mathesis | se yang |
| 01:27.10 | dclarke | Macer: see http://www.pastebin.ca/1691824 |
| 01:27.34 | KnuckOne | oh a ralink chip :) |
| 01:27.35 | dclarke | Macer: I need to pick this up amd move it to across a wall |
| 01:27.44 | KnuckOne | !rt2x000 |
| 01:27.47 | dclarke | KnuckOne: is that okay ? |
| 01:27.49 | mathesis | yang can, give me free shell at http://freeshells.mtveurope.org/ ? |
| 01:28.01 | abrotman | mathesis: wrong channel |
| 01:28.02 | KnuckOne | !yeah, but it's tricky |
| 01:28.09 | Macer | dclarke: can't use my browser now. i'm dragging and dropping files onto a zimbra server |
| 01:28.17 | Macer | through the web interface :) |
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| 01:28.22 | dclarke | I can yank it out and throw it away and go wit ha Ciscco Wireless card in a jiffy |
| 01:28.37 | dclarke | but I'd prefer not |
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| 01:28.58 | KnuckOne | !tell dclarke about rt2x00 |
| 01:29.09 | dclarke | oh no ... |
| 01:29.21 | KnuckOne | rt2500pci are working well using iwpriv |
| 01:29.24 | Macer | "this card is not supported by any machine" |
| 01:29.26 | Macer | hehe |
| 01:29.30 | dclarke | so .. yank it and toss it ? { YES | NO } |
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| 01:29.44 | abrotman | dclarke: temporarily, if it makes it easier, why not |
| 01:29.45 | mdeonte | guess who is on debian! :] |
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| 01:30.03 | dclarke | pasiphae:~# shutdown -h -t 0 "now" |
| 01:30.07 | das_netz | abrotman: know you about my problem? |
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| 01:30.15 | abrotman | das_netz: you didn't give us any details |
| 01:30.45 | das_netz | abrotman: i upgrade my system yesterday |
| 01:30.54 | dclarke | KnuckOne: hold it .. but I have a Debian 5.0.3 machine here with 2.26.x kernel .. shouldn't that be okay ? |
| 01:31.24 | abrotman | das_netz: did you try the #debian-es on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 01:31.34 | KnuckOne | it's firmware specific really... do you know what it is ? |
| 01:31.48 | das_netz | abrotman: i tried in debian-es |
| 01:31.50 | KnuckOne | *which one i mean |
| 01:32.05 | dclarke | KnuckOne: I yanked it out |
| 01:32.16 | abrotman | das_netz: on irc.oftc.net or on freenode ? |
| 01:32.22 | dclarke | KnuckOne: Cisco-Linksys going in |
| 01:32.44 | das_netz | abrotman: freenode |
| 01:32.48 | abrotman | das_netz: did you try the #debian-es on irc.oftc.net ? |
| 01:33.07 | Macer | hm. anybody knwo what kind of browser a ps3 uses? |
| 01:33.24 | KnuckOne | dclarke: lspci | grep ralink (or rt instead of ralink) returns nothing ? |
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| 01:34.13 | KnuckOne | oh, i need some coffee |
| 01:34.15 | KnuckOne | 2561 |
| 01:34.21 | abrotman | Macer: ask google, not related to Debian |
| 01:34.35 | das_netz | abrotman: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/ubuntu-help/147634-solved-ubuntu-does-not-umount-filesystems-shutdown-restart.html |
| 01:34.42 | mdeonte | why is debian so much faster than ubuntu? |
| 01:34.50 | abrotman | das_netz: and what? |
| 01:34.52 | dvs | less filling |
| 01:35.00 | abrotman | das_netz: that's Ubuntu and Reiser |
| 01:35.14 | das_netz | abrotman: maybe the same with debian |
| 01:35.18 | KnuckOne | dclarke: the wiki says it all -> http://wiki.debian.org/rt61pci, you need the firmware thingy |
| 01:35.19 | das_netz | abrotman: i will try |
| 01:35.23 | mdeonte | Is there like a restricted-extra package in Debian |
| 01:35.23 | abrotman | das_netz: so read it .. try it |
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| 01:35.30 | abrotman | mdeonte: like what? |
| 01:35.36 | KnuckOne | i have to warn you that it can be kinda tricky ;) |
| 01:35.51 | dclarke | KnuckOne: it's tossed .. away .. gone gone gone |
| 01:35.57 | abrotman | KnuckOne: he said he already took the card out .. are you slow? |
| 01:36.11 | mdeonte | abrotman, in Ubuntu there is a package ubuntu-restricted-extras which contains like codecs, flash etc. |
| 01:36.23 | abrotman | !tell mdeonte about dmm |
| 01:37.20 | abrotman | !tell mdeonte about non-free |
| 01:37.23 | abrotman | !tell mdeonte about contrib |
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| 01:38.58 | mdeonte | thanks abrotman |
| 01:39.04 | dclarke | KnuckOne: I am officially very confused, that wireless card has been removed entirely yet : http://www.pastebin.ca/1691837 |
| 01:39.08 | mdeonte | damn dpkg bot is helpful |
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| 01:39.52 | mdeonte | abrotman, is there a package? |
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| 01:40.01 | markybob | heh |
| 01:40.02 | mdeonte | like a metapackage with everything |
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| 01:40.35 | abrotman | mdeonte: no |
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| 01:40.39 | abrotman | nor should there be |
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| 01:42.12 | dclarke | pardon me .. but wtf does this mean ? "ifconfig wlan0 up" responds with "SIOCSIFFLAGS: No such file or directory" |
| 01:44.30 | mdeonte | !nvidia |
| 01:44.31 | mdeonte | :[ |
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| 01:44.31 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 01:44.34 | dclarke | okay .. wireless does not work .. simple as that .. I have to string cables I guess |
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| 01:44.48 | mdeonte | yay! |
| 01:45.28 | jelly-home | mdeonte: /msg the bot |
| 01:45.58 | mdeonte | jelly-home, sorry. Okay |
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| 01:47.23 | echosystm | dclarke, you most likely need to run a backported kernel |
| 01:47.29 | dclarke | just as a statement, after three very very long days with Debian on PowerPC and now on x86 architecuture I can say that you guys are awesome in this IRC chan. I found that PPC install doesn't work on my platform and wireless doesn't work on x86 .. but the rest seems pretty damn cool |
| 01:47.47 | echosystm | in debian 5.0 theyre in the middle of a swap from madwifi to the opensource equivalent (i forget what its called) |
| 01:48.12 | echosystm | the backported kernel has support for most wifi cards out of the box |
| 01:48.42 | dclarke | well Ciscco/Linksys is very basic stuff I'd think |
| 01:48.47 | dclarke | however http://www.pastebin.ca/1691852 |
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| 01:49.45 | dclarke | so I'll reboot again |
| 01:49.49 | dclarke | and hope for the best |
| 01:49.52 | echosystm | dclarke |
| 01:49.58 | echosystm | what chipset? |
| 01:50.03 | dclarke | yes Sir ? |
| 01:50.08 | dclarke | what chipset where ? |
| 01:50.15 | echosystm | on your wireless card.. |
| 01:50.30 | dclarke | I dunno .. it says Cisco/Linksys |
| 01:50.46 | jelly-home | pciid? |
| 01:50.51 | echosystm | use lspci |
| 01:50.54 | echosystm | to find out |
| 01:50.59 | dvs | dclarke, lspci | grep -i eth |
| 01:51.07 | dclarke | well let it boot |
| 01:51.10 | dclarke | I'm rebooting again |
| 01:51.26 | echosystm | dclarke, wireless either works out of the box or it doesnt work at all, in most cases |
| 01:51.27 | dclarke | it works on Solaris as Ralink RT2501/2601/RT73USB 802.11a/b/g Chipset |
| 01:51.39 | liable | what the hell have you broken now? |
| 01:51.43 | mdeonte | Is there a way I can get Nautilus to look like it does in Ubuntu |
| 01:51.50 | dclarke | liable: nothing ! |
| 01:51.51 | markybob | dclarke, you need to simply forget that "rebooting fixes everything"...this is linux. it'll do nothing 99% of the time |
| 01:51.57 | liable | rt2x00 should work. needs firmware probably |
| 01:52.23 | dclarke | markybob: well .. I have been yanking cards out of PCI slots .. call me old fashioned .. but I like to power off for that sort of thing. :-P |
| 01:52.24 | echosystm | what do you mean mdeonte? |
| 01:52.39 | liable | though if its a 73 usb, you might need the shit ralink driver |
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| 01:53.05 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 01:53.09 | dclarke | pardon me .. be right back .. gotta go boot a IBM 9114-275 machine |
| 01:53.32 | dvs | has one in his basement. ;-) |
| 01:54.10 | dclarke | dvs: they make excellent heaters |
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| 01:55.16 | echosystm | computers like that should really be thrown out |
| 01:55.34 | dclarke | *gasp* |
| 01:55.39 | echosystm | replacing it with a more power efficient one would pay for itself in under a year |
| 01:56.00 | dclarke | echosystm: I have a DEC Alphaserver also .. and what would you do? put it inthe street in the cold all by itself ? |
| 01:56.09 | echosystm | yes |
| 01:56.22 | echosystm | or donate it to a school for kids to pull it apart |
| 01:56.29 | dclarke | you vastly overestimate the cost of power and the cost to migrate an application |
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| 01:56.48 | dclarke | grossly underestimate the cost to migrate an application I mean |
| 01:57.02 | markybob | if you're dependant on an alpha application...you're insane |
| 01:57.08 | markybob | it's nearly 2010 |
| 01:57.12 | echosystm | lol |
| 01:57.15 | dclarke | markybob: I'm not |
| 01:57.20 | dclarke | markybob: someone else is |
| 01:57.41 | dclarke | I just have the server here .. runing .. whatever its runs and that includes Lotus Domino |
| 01:57.53 | jelly-home | eugh :-) |
| 01:58.00 | dclarke | so just don't tell Chrysler to stop using IBM Domino |
| 01:58.11 | dclarke | or Lotus Goats .. or whatever its called |
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| 01:58.50 | markybob | chrysler doesnt even exist. they were bought out by the chinese during bankruptsy. not really a "smart" company that people should pay attention to |
| 01:59.07 | markybob | sorry, chrysler was bought by an italian company, fiat |
| 01:59.22 | dclarke | drives a Jeep |
| 01:59.35 | echosystm | i didnt even know people still use lotus software |
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| 01:59.53 | dclarke | echosystm: yeah .. they are addicted like .. heroin |
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| 02:00.41 | markybob | echosystm, i call bullshit. |
| 02:01.31 | dclarke | clutches his Lotus 1-2-3 for UNIX |
| 02:02.21 | dclarke | gotta go folks .. I give up officially for the rest of the weekend .. thanks for playing ! |
| 02:02.55 | adb | playoff |
| 02:03.21 | jelly-home | have a nice Sunday, dclarke |
| 02:03.46 | dclarke | I'll pray ffor better boots next week |
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| 02:08.53 | echosystm | debian is really strange |
| 02:09.24 | echosystm | its one of the most concrete distros in existence, but the forum is slow, doc is sparse, etc. |
| 02:09.50 | echosystm | and by doc i mean user guides |
| 02:10.07 | echosystm | does anyone else find the userbase to be a bit strange? |
| 02:11.09 | abrotman | docs for what ? |
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| 02:12.04 | echosystm | getting things set up |
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| 02:13.11 | mdeonte | echosystm, I got it now. I had to go into gconf-editor and select "always-use-browser" |
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| 02:14.46 | abrotman | echosystm: be less vague |
| 02:15.17 | liable | strange? us? NEVAR! |
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| 02:15.53 | echosystm | ok for example, at the moment i need to set up pwoer management on my laptop |
| 02:16.06 | echosystm | and i cant find anything on it |
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| 02:16.54 | echosystm | with arch, setting up things like this is easy because their wiki covers everything |
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| 02:17.05 | echosystm | gentoo is similar |
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| 02:17.13 | echosystm | theres no good guidesl ike this for debian |
| 02:17.16 | liable | true, gentoo has a great wiki |
| 02:17.44 | liable | thats because debian users are smarter than average! |
| 02:17.55 | liable | we don't need no steenking docs! |
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| 02:18.25 | liable | i know, i'm not being helpfull.. |
| 02:18.32 | echosystm | i think your average gentoo user has a better idea of linux than your average debian user |
| 02:18.48 | liable | echosystm: most docs aren't *that* distro specific anyway. |
| 02:18.59 | liable | i dunno about that. |
| 02:19.03 | echosystm | everything is so automagic in debian these days |
| 02:19.31 | echosystm | you can install debian without even knowing what a kernel module us |
| 02:19.33 | echosystm | *is |
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| 02:20.49 | liable | uh, you can install gentoo as well without much knowledge. in fact the precense of such a big doc base means you don't really need to learn anything, you just follow it like a recipe |
| 02:21.21 | liable | same with LFS advocates. its just dumbly following docs.. |
| 02:21.33 | markybob | echosystm, if it was so automatic, like you claim, you wouldnt need docs, which is what you're complaining about |
| 02:22.23 | markybob | one of your claims must be wrong |
| 02:22.54 | abrotman | wonders what /usr/share/doc/ is for ... |
| 02:23.04 | liable | ignoring? |
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| 02:26.54 | echosystm | usr/share/doc is only useful if you actually know what to install in the first place ;) |
| 02:27.18 | echosystm | none of my claims are wrong markybob, debian install is completely automated if you choose a DE etc. |
| 02:27.24 | echosystm | some people dont want that |
| 02:27.44 | markybob | echosystm, those people dont use it. they use netinst and pick what they want |
| 02:28.24 | echosystm | exactly |
| 02:28.31 | markybob | wtf |
| 02:28.43 | liable | heh |
| 02:28.45 | echosystm | then they need to do something, but there is no guide to aid them |
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| 02:33.35 | lazerc | What's the fastest way to go through a text file, find all the "\n" strings, and then replace them with a newline? |
| 02:34.03 | mdeonte | Does https://monteledwards.com load right? |
| 02:34.29 | jmarsden | lazerc: use sed, probably |
| 02:34.36 | qwd | My second harddrive is showing 0gb free space as user but in midnight commander as root I see there's 17gb free space. However if I run df -h I get 0gb as well. Any idea why this could be happening? I moved about 80gb music from another external drive and mc as root showed I had 100gb free, now when I remove stuff nautilus and mc as non-root still shows 0gb free. |
| 02:34.59 | markybob | lazerc, sed -i file 's/\\n/\n/g' |
| 02:35.11 | lazerc | thx markybob |
| 02:35.46 | liable | qwd: the space reserved for root? usually its 5% iirc |
| 02:36.03 | liable | or is it 10? |
| 02:36.08 | markybob | 5 |
| 02:36.09 | liable | might be ten actually |
| 02:36.17 | liable | ok |
| 02:36.18 | abrotman | 5% |
| 02:36.49 | qwd | so I didn't actually lose anything when moving the files? because I didn't get an error message from mc, it looked complete, but when I saw 0gb free I assumed not everything arrived |
| 02:38.07 | markybob | qwd, you're likely fine |
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| 02:39.00 | mdeonte | Is Iceweasle firefox 3.5? |
| 02:39.02 | qwd | markybob: phew! I almost fell off the chair when aborting the deletion of the files from the external drive :) |
| 02:39.30 | markybob | mdeonte, iceweasel version matches firefox version |
| 02:39.41 | mdeonte | markybob: great |
| 02:39.46 | mdeonte | loves debian more and more |
| 02:39.50 | kingsley | How may gigabytes do today's common hard drives hold? |
| 02:40.01 | jmarsden | kingsley: Lots. |
| 02:40.26 | markybob | kingsley, what do you see on bestbuy.com? or newegg.com? or tiger.com? or any other site that sells hds? |
| 02:40.26 | mdeonte | kingsley: bout 150-250 GB |
| 02:40.34 | jmarsden | kingsley: A quick look at any online PC hardware store will answer that... |
| 02:40.47 | mdeonte | What is the command to kill xserver |
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| 02:41.00 | qwd | kingsley: you can get 1tb for $100 (in sweden) |
| 02:41.05 | mdeonte | is installing nVidia driver from nvidia.com |
| 02:41.07 | markybob | mdeonte, within it? generally ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 02:41.18 | mdeonte | thanks |
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| 02:41.29 | liable | they disabled that recently |
| 02:41.42 | markybob | liable, depends on your xorg.conf |
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| 02:41.57 | mdeonte | dude |
| 02:42.00 | mdeonte | that logged me out |
| 02:42.00 | liable | markybob: well yeah, but by default its disabled now i think |
| 02:42.05 | franki^ | it doesn't work in squeeze, and i've tried adding a dontzap line to my xorg |
| 02:42.06 | franki^ | :/ |
| 02:42.15 | mdeonte | grr |
| 02:42.15 | markybob | mdeonte, so you're probably running gdm |
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| 02:42.25 | mdeonte | markybob: yes |
| 02:42.32 | markybob | mdeonte, so /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 02:42.41 | ]pablo[ | I've been using debian squeeze/sid for some years now.. is there ANY disadvantage if i switch to ubuntu? (licencing stuff not a reason for me) |
| 02:42.42 | qwd | although if you use squeeze you need to enable it in keyboard preferences -> layout -> layout options (for gnome users) (ctrl+alt+backspace that is) |
| 02:42.42 | mdeonte | will that kill x too? |
| 02:42.55 | markybob | mdeonte, do it and see |
| 02:43.01 | kingsley | qwd: Thank you. |
| 02:43.10 | mdeonte | ]pablo[: YES. I just switched from Ubuntu to Debian about 20 min ago |
| 02:43.47 | mdeonte | Ubuntu is unstable, slow, and bloated. |
| 02:43.51 | mdeonte | You will regret it |
| 02:44.17 | markybob | ]pablo[, http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7297 |
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| 02:44.48 | qwd | ]pablo[: From a regular users POV (mine that is :) I'd say no. To me the main differences were in stability (which you don't have with those apt sources), theme (matter of taste) and social contract (go debian). |
| 02:44.50 | ]pablo[ | i never really tried ubuntu, was about to try it. It looks like they seamlessly integrate a lot of software.. like gnome etc |
| 02:45.04 | Tux^verdreifelt | (mdeonte) Ubuntu is unstable, slow, and bloated. < signed |
| 02:45.13 | Tux^verdreifelt | and ugly. |
| 02:45.18 | markybob | you forgot insecure |
| 02:45.20 | mdeonte | +1 |
| 02:45.26 | mdeonte | !ubuntu |
| 02:45.26 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 02:45.28 | Tux^verdreifelt | and full of critical bugs |
| 02:45.40 | Tux^verdreifelt | http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7600/1.html |
| 02:45.41 | Tux^verdreifelt | :D |
| 02:45.42 | qwd | I didn't have any problems with ubuntu and I think their theme is really nice. But I still prefer Debian. |
| 02:45.46 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know which manufacturer is currently making the most reliable hard drives? |
| 02:45.54 | Tux^verdreifelt | kingsley: wd? |
| 02:45.57 | mdeonte | kingsley: Segate |
| 02:46.00 | mdeonte | or wd |
| 02:46.04 | ]pablo[ | well i've been using testing/sid for years.. its stability should be something near to ubuntu's "stable" branch |
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| 02:46.23 | Tux^verdreifelt | seagate? were those the ones with the firmware problems? |
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| 02:46.42 | qwd | kingsley: www.storagereview.com don't listen to peoples anecdotes about the most reliable drive based on the 3 drives they bought in the last 10 years :) |
| 02:46.56 | qwd | kingsley: check out their leaderboards |
| 02:47.10 | abrotman | kingsley: ask ##hardware |
| 02:47.16 | franki^ | ]pablo[: in my opinion squeeze is more stable than ubuntu 9.10, but, overall i do like ubuntu too |
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| 02:48.20 | markybob | you shouldnt ever compare a stable distro to a testing distro..and the fact that the testing distro wins, is just sad |
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| 02:50.37 | ]pablo[ | the guys at #ubuntu can only tell me there's more uptodate software in ubuntu |
| 02:50.48 | ]pablo[ | but i dont believe that if you use testing/sid/experimental |
| 02:50.54 | ]pablo[ | or just dl from upstream and compile yourself |
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| 02:51.13 | ]pablo[ | my only reason would be that at least the visual part is very well integrated |
| 02:51.27 | ]pablo[ | like it comes with a theme :P |
| 02:51.33 | ]pablo[ | and sounds |
| 02:51.36 | ]pablo[ | :) |
| 02:51.48 | qwd | ]pablo[: compared to stable yes. but I think this discussion if for debian-offtopic :) really it's a matter of taste. try it if you're interested and see for yourself. there's no "what's better", it depends on what you want. |
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| 02:53.08 | cobra-the-joker | Hey there guys .... can i rely on Debian for my PC/Laptop ? |
| 02:53.14 | markybob | ]pablo[, you need to use some logic. #debian will tell you to use debian, #ubuntu will tell you to use ubuntu. it's pointless to ask |
| 02:53.26 | markybob | cobra-the-joker, obviously |
| 02:53.59 | ]pablo[ | markybob: doh, i know but if you want to know the truth you should always take the path of the middle between what ones or the others say |
| 02:54.31 | cobra-the-joker | i hoped linux was just a 1 distro :D |
| 02:54.31 | markybob | ]pablo[, no, if you want to truth, you try both and see for yourself |
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| 02:55.01 | Tux^verdreifelt | cobra-the-joker: linux is not a distro :p |
| 02:55.21 | qwd | cobra-the-joker: it doesn't matter if there are 3 or 300 distros, just ignore the ones you aren't using. many are niched and have their place. |
| 02:55.24 | jmarsden | cobra-the-joker: OK, if you want, just close your eyes and pretend that Debian is the only Linux distro in existence, and you'll be fine :) |
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| 02:55.36 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 02:55.41 | Tux^verdreifelt | jmarsden: a good thing to pretend. |
| 02:55.43 | cobra-the-joker | i am trying to do so |
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| 02:56.22 | cobra-the-joker | i was going to slackware ...but i just figured out that its the same as debian ..but with no APT :D |
| 02:56.24 | mdeonte | When i ran the installer it told me that i needeed to install gcc |
| 02:56.34 | abrotman | installer for what? |
| 02:56.59 | mdeonte | so i did, and then it told me that it wasnt the one that was built with kernel so i pruged that one and then installed gcc-4.1 and now it says that it cant find it |
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| 02:57.06 | Tux^verdreifelt | cobra-the-joker: no apt = not good. |
| 02:57.06 | mdeonte | abrotman: nvidia driver |
| 02:57.06 | Tux^verdreifelt | :> |
| 02:57.31 | mdeonte | im on irssi because x is dead so dont give links |
| 02:57.57 | abrotman | mdeonte: wrong .. don't do it that way |
| 02:58.05 | cobra-the-joker | and luckilly i found my Debian 5.0.1 DVD :D |
| 02:58.11 | cobra-the-joker | CD * |
| 02:58.21 | mdeonte | abrotman: i dont want to go through package hell |
| 02:58.37 | markybob | mdeonte, so listen to abrotman |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | mdeonte: if you use the nvidia binary way, it will break |
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| 02:58.51 | mdeonte | Okay |
| 02:58.53 | mdeonte | so what do i do |
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| 02:59.35 | mdeonte | I still need the GCC thing fixed though because i need to install vmserver after this and i know that it has to compile some modules |
| 02:59.47 | cobra-the-joker | so ...Debian + Gnome or Debian + KDE ? |
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| 03:00.21 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps |
| 03:00.32 | mdeonte | abrotman: is there one package that i need to install? |
| 03:00.41 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.46 | bbelt16ag | i need to change it so it works. |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | !tell mdeonte about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:01.04 | mdeonte | dude i dont know how to get PMs on irsi |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | then ask that .. |
| 03:01.24 | abrotman | try ctrl-p and ctrl-n to cycle windows |
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| 03:02.15 | mdeonte | So i mindswell start backup X |
| 03:02.18 | mdeonte | brb |
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| 03:03.14 | qwd | cobra-the-joker: matter of taste. look at screenshots and pick the nice one |
| 03:03.34 | cobra-the-joker | qwd , so its the same functionality |
| 03:03.49 | qwd | cobra-the-joker: pretty much. and you can use gnome apps in kde and vice versa |
| 03:04.33 | cobra-the-joker | okay ...thanx |
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| 03:04.52 | cobra-the-joker | i will go get a blank CD to burn the ISO and install it :D ...farewell |
| 03:05.01 | jakel | I have an image which includes a partition table. Is it possible to have dd ignore the partition table and only include the contents of the first partition? |
| 03:05.03 | qwd | cobra-the-joker: good luck |
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| 03:10.14 | bbelt16ag | how do i cange what the debian system uses to suspend i can s2ram -f -a 1 |
| 03:10.26 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:12.23 | mdeonte | ill be damned |
| 03:12.25 | mdeonte | it worked |
| 03:13.04 | mdeonte | When i compile something and it gives me that gcc not version that was compiled with kernel, can i ignore that? |
| 03:13.22 | WormFood | anyone have a freakin' clue why I can scan a cd/dvd with dvdisaster on one machine and not another, as a normal user, when both users are configured the same way? (it works fine when run as root, so that rules out hardware problems) |
| 03:13.44 | mdeonte | thanks for the help abrotman |
| 03:14.45 | abrotman | like we make stuff up |
| 03:15.58 | xxtjaxx_ | Why is there a 1: before the version number of iceweasels translation? |
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| 03:18.41 | mdeonte | abrotman: could you help me with the gcc thing? |
| 03:19.10 | xxtjaxx_ | What default is there for translation packages? |
| 03:19.17 | abrotman | !b-e mdeonte |
| 03:19.17 | dpkg | mdeonte: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 03:23.05 | aalex | How come dpkg-buildpackage builds packages in the parent directory? |
| 03:24.33 | xxtjaxx_ | aalex: thats so that the sourcecode is not confused with the actual packages plus dput would only be confused in some corner cases |
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| 03:25.58 | salmander | Is sid the current stable apt tree? |
| 03:26.02 | abrotman | no |
| 03:26.02 | aalex | xxtjaxx_: is there a way to change this or should I just put all my projects in a directory (that would not be common to a whole bunch of stuff) ? |
| 03:26.06 | abrotman | and it never will be |
| 03:26.19 | qwd | salmander: sid = unstable (always) |
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| 03:26.31 | salmander | so most current |
| 03:26.53 | qwd | salmander: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 03:26.54 | Penix | salmander: most likely to break |
| 03:27.11 | qwd | salmander: not the most current STABLE since it isn't stable at all. |
| 03:27.13 | jmarsden | Penix: well, that would be experimental :) |
| 03:27.27 | HTT-Bird | ugh: I just did an 'aptitude safe-upgrade' and all my packages turned up as untrusted :@ |
| 03:27.30 | abrotman | you can't run experimental as a total distro |
| 03:27.43 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring .. or try another mirror |
| 03:28.14 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, former isn't the issue |
| 03:28.16 | salmander | If I use 'stable' branch, apt would be lenny branch right? |
| 03:28.42 | qwd | salmander: yes, look at the link I sent you |
| 03:28.59 | salmander | and when a next stable releasecomes out, will it remain lenny? |
| 03:29.18 | qwd | nope |
| 03:29.20 | HTT-Bird | that's installed and up-to-date |
| 03:29.25 | salmander | or it would be aliased to the new one |
| 03:29.34 | WormFood | even tho they name it "unstable" it is just a label. That does not mean it is constantly crashing (but it may do that sometimes) |
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| 03:30.01 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, I'm using http://www.us.debian.org as my main mirror |
| 03:30.07 | qwd | the next release is squeeze, which is currently testing. then squeeze becomes stable and lenny becomes oldstable |
| 03:30.19 | HTT-Bird | along with http://security.debian.org and http://volatile.debian.org |
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| 03:30.51 | kripz | how do i apt-get remove ONLY liba52? |
| 03:31.15 | salmander | thanks gang! |
| 03:31.31 | HTT-Bird | which makes everything being untrusted all the more baffling |
| 03:32.21 | adb | HTT-Bird, is wrong > http://www.us.debian.org |
| 03:32.36 | HTT-Bird | adb, what's the correct mirror to use? :) |
| 03:32.36 | adb | !tell HTT-Bird -about sources |
| 03:32.53 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: which one isn't trusted ? |
| 03:32.57 | abrotman | adb: that mirror is fine |
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| 03:33.09 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, aptitude didn't say |
| 03:33.13 | mdeonte | is there a command to see how much power my computer is using? |
| 03:33.19 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: it doesn't gtive you the key ? |
| 03:33.30 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, not that I can tell :o |
| 03:33.40 | HTT-Bird | mdeonte, if you're on a laptop, there's powertop |
| 03:33.48 | mdeonte | desktop |
| 03:33.48 | HTT-Bird | but you can't powertop when you're on AC |
| 03:34.04 | HTT-Bird | mdeonte, hack powertop then so that it doesn't do the battery/AC check :D |
| 03:34.18 | mdeonte | its not that important |
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| 03:35.20 | WormFood | I always connected an amp meter to my power line going to the computer...then you can see exactly how much power everything is using. |
| 03:35.23 | HTT-Bird | abrotman should I pastebin you the output of aptitude? |
| 03:35.37 | HTT-Bird | WormFood, yeah, that's one approach :) grab a clamp-on ammeter |
| 03:35.39 | abrotman | or just try another mirror |
| 03:35.57 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, will try |
| 03:36.22 | WormFood | the problem with that approach is you can't just clamp a meter around the power cord...you have to clamp it around one leg of the power line |
| 03:37.25 | WormFood | also, if your meter is not sensitive enough, you'll need to amplify your readings, by wrapping the power line multiple times around the amp meter clamp (I always go for 10 loops, to get more accuracy) |
| 03:38.14 | HTT-Bird | WormFood, yeah, true. :) because those are basically current transformers |
| 03:38.29 | massmc | hello, how to I change the main www folder to point elsewhere in apache.. I want to point it to my home folder instead |
| 03:38.31 | WormFood | exactly! |
| 03:38.48 | abrotman | massmc: change the DocumentRoot |
| 03:38.52 | WormFood | massmc, edit the apache config files in /etc |
| 03:39.04 | liable | massmc: dude, seriously, have you even looked in the config file? |
| 03:39.17 | massmc | i cant find the config file |
| 03:39.20 | massmc | i'm blind |
| 03:39.29 | massmc | i went over /etc 3 times |
| 03:39.37 | WormFood | massmc, cd /etc;find|grep -i apache |
| 03:40.08 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 03:40.14 | massmc | found it.. thanks :/ |
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| 03:40.26 | massmc | i'm having a retarded hangover day |
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| 03:40.53 | WormFood | massmc, remember what I just showed you, and replace /etc and "apache" with something suitable for what you're looking for :P |
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| 03:41.35 | abrotman | or actually learn how to use find .. |
| 03:41.53 | HTT-Bird | yeah... |
| 03:42.14 | WormFood | yeah, that is true, I don't use it the best way....I just do it that way from habit....also works on just about any platform |
| 03:42.37 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, someone must have b0rked http://www.us.debian.org as mirrors.kernel.org works |
| 03:43.00 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: it happens from time to time .. i usually find i have better luck with a local mirror |
| 03:43.28 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, heh. I'll try mirrors.kernel.org for a while and see how it goes |
| 03:43.42 | abrotman | ok |
| 03:43.51 | HTT-Bird | might move to uchicago though as I have good throughput out there, either that or utexas |
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| 03:48.12 | mdeonte | !sudo |
| 03:48.12 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 03:48.28 | mdeonte | !visudo |
| 03:48.28 | dpkg | i guess visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file. 'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers). |
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| 03:48.52 | simonrvn | find /etc/ -iname '*apache*' would've been better |
| 03:49.12 | HTT-Bird | yeah simonrvn that'd have been the best way |
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| 03:50.17 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, ty I guess |
| 03:50.32 | massmc | WormFood, i'm in the apache config now and it tells me my server root is /etc/apache2 ... But my index is in var/www |
| 03:50.43 | abrotman | mdeonte: msg the bot |
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| 03:50.58 | mdeonte | abrotman: oh yeah, i forgot |
| 03:50.58 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: you can also use apt-spy |
| 03:51.01 | HTT-Bird | as mirrors.kernel.org is having me update a zillion things |
| 03:51.06 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, never heard of it :) |
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| 03:59.39 | mdeonte | Does Debian have a membership option like Ubuntu has? |
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| 04:00.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | mdeonte: hm? |
| 04:00.41 | mdeonte | Kamping_Kaiser: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember |
| 04:01.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | mdeonte: not afaik. unless its equivilant to Debian Maintainers |
| 04:01.38 | massmc | anyone help me with apache? |
| 04:01.47 | abrotman | massmc: i told you the option to look for awhile ago |
| 04:01.55 | abrotman | mdeonte: you can just contribute if you want to |
| 04:02.34 | massmc | abrotman, I found it, have edited the apache2.config.. the server root was pointing to /etc/apache2 |
| 04:02.44 | mdeonte | grr. I dont know any debian developers |
| 04:02.56 | massmc | now.. I changed that to point to a foler in home |
| 04:03.06 | massmc | but it's still pointing to /var/www |
| 04:03.11 | massmc | even after restart |
| 04:03.14 | abrotman | mdeonte: what does that have to do with it ? |
| 04:04.00 | mdeonte | have at least one (but preferably more) Debian Developers advocate you. |
| 04:04.19 | abrotman | mdeonte: that's only if you want to be a DM or DD .. you can still contribute without those titles |
| 04:05.30 | mdeonte | are there LoCo teams like in Ubuntu? |
| 04:05.42 | WormFood | massmc, why didn't you find, and change DocumentRoot, like abrotman told you? |
| 04:05.45 | MAd_haTTer | massmc: it sounds like you have no idea what you are doing |
| 04:05.57 | abrotman | mdeonte: yes |
| 04:05.59 | MAd_haTTer | vim /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 04:06.02 | abrotman | !l10n |
| 04:06.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, l10n is an abbreviation for localisation, which is a long word used a lot in some circles, so it's shortened by effectively saying "L, then 10 more letters, then N", get it? |
| 04:06.03 | WormFood | MAd_haTTer, he is mad as a hatter |
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| 04:06.24 | MAd_haTTer | WormFood: word |
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| 04:07.31 | mdeonte | ! localisation |
| 04:07.35 | WormFood | I think massmc wants to enable the "userdir" module |
| 04:08.18 | mdeonte | abrotman: link please? |
| 04:08.23 | WormFood | which, if unmodified would give users at /home/*/public_html their own web space |
| 04:08.25 | abrotman | mdeonte: for what? |
| 04:08.31 | abrotman | WormFood: no, that's not what he said |
| 04:08.35 | mdeonte | abrotman: l10n |
| 04:09.00 | WormFood | [11:38:30] <massmc> hello, how to I change the main www folder to point elsewhere in apache.. I want to point it to my home folder instead <-- sounds like that is what he wanted to me |
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| 04:09.33 | abrotman | sounds like he wants foo.com to go to a different file area .. nothing to do with userdir |
| 04:09.37 | MAd_haTTer | sure, but imho thats a bad idea.. |
| 04:09.47 | MAd_haTTer | whats wrong with /var/www ? |
| 04:09.50 | WormFood | no matter, we've given him the info he needs to change it |
| 04:09.54 | abrotman | mdeonte: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/intro-i18n/ .. maybe it what you want ? |
| 04:09.57 | MAd_haTTer | provides good seperation |
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| 04:10.10 | abrotman | separation of what? |
| 04:10.13 | abrotman | files from files? |
| 04:10.48 | mdeonte | wait. abrotman LoCo like local community teams where you get to meet other Ubuntu users in the are |
| 04:10.50 | mdeonte | area* |
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| 04:10.58 | abrotman | mdeonte: oh .. sorry .. misunderstood |
| 04:11.06 | mdeonte | :) |
| 04:11.07 | abrotman | mdeonte: where are you geographically ? |
| 04:11.54 | mdeonte | abrotman: around Chicago, IL USA |
| 04:11.56 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups |
| 04:12.16 | abrotman | mdeonte: in general though, you'd probably do better to look for a LUG |
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| 04:14.40 | jakel | is there a way to chainload from a cd-rom to a usb flash drive for a system which doesn't support booting from usb drives? |
| 04:14.50 | WormFood | I had not thought to look for a Linux user group where I live...now I find "The Shenzhen Linux User Group (Szlug) is one of the biggest Linux User Groups in Asia..." |
| 04:15.26 | MAd_haTTer | chainload? |
| 04:15.33 | mdeonte | holy shit |
| 04:15.43 | mdeonte | I know the leader of the chicago lug |
| 04:15.49 | WormFood | jakel, did you try updating the bios, or perhaps even changing it? (there are sometimes alternative bioses available) |
| 04:15.49 | mdeonte | hah. small world |
| 04:15.50 | jpinx-eeepc | jakel: try http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 04:16.45 | WormFood | mdeonte, I moved to the other side of the word (to China from USA)....now one of my friend, out of a group of 15-20 people) is moving to the same city I live in, because of his job....you have no idea how small the world really is. |
| 04:17.02 | mdeonte | Yeah |
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| 04:19.54 | orangey | hello all |
| 04:20.09 | orangey | is there anyway to force a package to reinstall and redo all its files, including config files? |
| 04:20.23 | orangey | my attempts with dpkg --force-all --remove / aptitude install haven't worked |
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| 04:21.21 | jpinx-eeepc | orangey: dpkg --reconfigure might do what you want |
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| 04:21.34 | WormFood | orangey, try purging it, then reinstalling it....that should work....not sure what "the debian way"(tm) is for what you want. |
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| 04:21.59 | jpinx-eeepc | orangey: otherwise use aptitude to purge it, then remove configs by hand and reinstall |
| 04:22.00 | orangey | how would I purge with dpkg? |
| 04:22.11 | orangey | the issue is that it's a Very Important Package (dbus) |
| 04:22.20 | jpinx-eeepc | orangey: aptitude purge <package |
| 04:22.21 | d1b | orangey: that's not important :) |
| 04:22.34 | orangey | and I don't know how to force such a thing within aptitude without affecting lots of other things |
| 04:22.39 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell orangey why aptitude |
| 04:22.43 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: can't he force reinstall ? |
| 04:22.48 | d1b | aptitude has reinstall right ? |
| 04:22.55 | orangey | yeah, but that doesn't do it |
| 04:22.59 | orangey | I first tried aptitude reinstall |
| 04:23.21 | d1b | orangey: nfi i keep my /etc in .git :) |
| 04:23.21 | jpinx-eeepc | orangey: try with --force ? |
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| 04:23.32 | d1b | you could manually extract the .deb and get the config files from that... |
| 04:23.35 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:24.24 | orangey | I can see no way to force within aptitude |
| 04:24.59 | orangey | d1b: a bit beside the point. |
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| 04:25.12 | orangey | dpkg and its children should allow me to reinstall a package completely |
| 04:25.12 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, orangey |
| 04:25.13 | d1b | orangey: mm? |
| 04:25.15 | orangey | dpkg-reconfigure won't do it |
| 04:25.40 | d1b | if the issue is only the config files, then restoring those should fix your problem. |
| 04:26.02 | orangey | jpinx-eeepc: nothing told me "why aptitude" |
| 04:26.17 | d1b | yes, submit a wishlist /wish for dpkg to be able to restore to the config files of a given package, in cases like this. |
| 04:26.20 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitude |
| 04:26.20 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 04:26.37 | orangey | dpkg: I know what aptitude is |
| 04:26.37 | dpkg | orangey: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 04:26.48 | orangey | rather, jpinx-eeepc |
| 04:27.04 | jpinx-eeepc | orangey: why are you using dpkg? |
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| 04:27.26 | orangey | jpinx: How would you propose a complete reinstall of a package, including config files? |
| 04:27.32 | orangey | aptitude reinstall doesn't do it |
| 04:27.37 | orangey | apt-get won't. |
| 04:27.50 | orangey | so I tried dpkg --force-all --remove |
| 04:27.53 | jpinx-eeepc | orangey: I told you a while ago |
| 04:28.00 | orangey | what was that? |
| 04:28.02 | orangey | purge? |
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| 04:28.24 | jpinx-eeepc | won't waste advice on people who won't read |
| 04:28.44 | orangey | you're joking, right? |
| 04:28.54 | orangey | I directly responded that aptitude has no --force that I can find |
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| 04:29.50 | jpinx-eeepc | 23:20 < jpinx-eeepc> orangey: otherwise use aptitude to purge it, then remove configs by hand and reinstall |
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| 04:30.12 | orangey | jpinx: You cannot purge dbus with aptitude |
| 04:30.34 | orangey | without taking out taking out half the system |
| 04:30.46 | d1b | orangey: like i said, just restore the config files from the .deb . |
| 04:30.49 | lfs | I don't have sound |
| 04:30.54 | d1b | if that's what you want. do that. |
| 04:30.57 | liable | just delete the conf files (leave dirs) then reinstall with --confmiss |
| 04:31.50 | d1b | orangey: there have been a number of suggestions, but do remember you can just extract the .deb and grab the config files from that. alternatively look at what liable is suggesting. |
| 04:31.57 | jpinx-eeepc | orangey: then don't purge it - but your question is about a solution you have dreamt up - not about the real problem |
| 04:31.58 | orangey | liable: sounds encouraging. |
| 04:32.26 | lfs | Where are the sound controls on gnome? |
| 04:32.45 | d1b | lfs: top right hand corner probably :) |
| 04:33.02 | lfs | Showing nothing wrong |
| 04:33.05 | lfs | How to test? |
| 04:34.23 | orangey | liable: that's wonderful. Worked exactly as desired with dpkg |
| 04:34.25 | lfs | NObody knows how to make a noise? |
| 04:34.31 | orangey | liable: thank you |
| 04:34.48 | orangey | So, for the log record, that was dpkg --force-confmiss -i <package> |
| 04:34.55 | d1b | lfs: system -> preferences -> sound |
| 04:35.08 | d1b | then you have a number of test options. |
| 04:35.14 | massmc | hi, how do I stop transmission from writing the .part files in the temp folder |
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| 04:36.55 | lfs | Do I need to install gnome-audio? |
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| 04:43.15 | lfs | Crap. No sound |
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| 04:44.10 | smacnay | lfs, are you a member of the group "audio"? |
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| 04:45.11 | lfs | How to tell that? |
| 04:45.48 | smacnay | lfs, uhm, as root - cat /etc/group | grep audio |
| 04:45.57 | smacnay | you should see your name show up on that line |
| 04:46.38 | lfs | It shows as member |
| 04:46.38 | simonrvn | !uuoc smacnay |
| 04:46.38 | dpkg | hands smacnay the "useless use of cat" award |
| 04:47.01 | lfs | audio:x:29:lfs |
| 04:47.15 | smacnay | simonrvn, I am not very well versed in command line but that should get the result he needs, no? |
| 04:47.22 | MAd_haTTer | lfs: he is saying grep audio /etc/group |
| 04:47.27 | MAd_haTTer | aka man gfrep |
| 04:47.33 | MAd_haTTer | man grep even |
| 04:47.37 | smacnay | ah, thanks |
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| 04:47.41 | simonrvn | yes, but grep audio /etc/group is one less process |
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| 04:47.58 | MAd_haTTer | simonrvn: im with cha |
| 04:48.02 | lfs | But how to get the friggin sound to work |
| 04:48.05 | simonrvn | MAd_haTTer: :) |
| 04:48.09 | lfs | I need it for playing poker |
| 04:48.10 | smacnay | thanks |
| 04:48.31 | lfs | Wine is working great except for the stinking sound. |
| 04:48.39 | smacnay | lfs, run that command ^^^ and see if your username is listed |
| 04:48.53 | ctmjr | why not just "groups" |
| 04:48.54 | lfs | audio:x:29:audio:x:29: |
| 04:49.02 | lfs | audio:x:29:lfs |
| 04:49.08 | smacnay | even better |
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| 04:49.28 | simonrvn | ctmjr: optimal ;) |
| 04:49.30 | smacnay | ctmjr, I knew there would be a command for that |
| 04:49.48 | lfs | lfs@Debian:~$ groups |
| 04:49.49 | lfs | lfs dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 04:49.51 | simonrvn | lfs: winecfg and check the audio |
| 04:50.06 | lfs | I have no audio with gnome |
| 04:50.11 | lfs | let alone WINe |
| 04:50.14 | simonrvn | debian's wine splits out stuff, so you might be missing some package |
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| 04:51.29 | simonrvn | !alsa checklist |
| 04:51.29 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 04:52.24 | lfs | How to use alsamixer? |
| 04:52.57 | lfs | I think I might have tried to set up a microphone some time back. |
| 04:53.02 | MAd_haTTer | gently lfs gently |
| 04:53.08 | sc | wat |
| 04:53.09 | lfs | I might have screwed up the whole works |
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| 04:54.25 | lfs | The only device showing is a microphone |
| 04:55.15 | lfs | WHere are channels at that need unmuting? |
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| 04:56.30 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wavaplay |
| 04:56.31 | lfs | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 04:56.31 | lfs | aplay: main:564: audio open error: No such file or directory |
| 04:57.09 | lfs | Can anyone figure that one out? |
| 04:57.17 | qwd | lfs: are you *sure* the other devices are gone? try "alsamixer -d 1" (or maybe it was -c try both, and try 1 2 3) |
| 04:57.41 | jetscreamer | Noise.wavaplay ? |
| 04:58.14 | qwd | lfs: when I have my usb mic plugged in and restart it gets the role as nr. 1 and I don't get any sound so I need to unplug it, reboot and then plug it in *after*. That's my fix for it, but I'm sure there are better ways to deal with it :) |
| 04:58.26 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 04:58.27 | lfs | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 04:58.27 | lfs | Debian:/home/lfs# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 04:58.27 | lfs | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 04:58.27 | lfs | aplay: main:564: audio open error: No such file or directory |
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| 04:59.40 | lfs_ | Debian:/home/lfs# aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 04:59.53 | lfs_ | ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave |
| 04:59.53 | lfs_ | aplay: main:564: audio open error: No such file or directory |
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| 05:00.01 | qwd | !paste |
| 05:00.01 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 05:00.43 | lfs_ | Is it Noise.wav that is missing? |
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| 05:05.11 | lfs_ | I just googled the sound problem. I guess that can be a real headache. |
| 05:07.06 | lfs_ | hello? |
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| 05:09.04 | lfs_ | Is anybody here? |
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| 05:09.45 | liable | still noone here.. :P |
| 05:09.55 | lfs | I'm here |
| 05:10.01 | lfs | But I don't know anything |
| 05:10.18 | jpinx-eeepc | whatcha lost liable / |
| 05:10.33 | liable | brain cells mostly |
| 05:10.53 | jpinx-eeepc | heh - join the club ;) |
| 05:10.55 | mdeonte | why is all this software outdated! |
| 05:11.01 | mdeonte | grr |
| 05:11.08 | jpinx-eeepc | mdeonte: use backports |
| 05:11.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
| 05:11.19 | dpkg | sns syndrome is, like, a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 05:11.32 | liable | stable/secure/up to date .. pick two |
| 05:12.26 | lfs | Anybody here know how to get sound working? |
| 05:12.38 | mdeonte | !backports |
| 05:12.38 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 05:12.42 | liable | !soundcheck |
| 05:12.42 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp ...use Ctrl-C to stop it after a few seconds. If it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 05:12.59 | jpinx-eeepc | !alsa checklist |
| 05:12.59 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 05:13.05 | liable | meh, my factoid memory is getting worse |
| 05:13.15 | mdeonte | jpinx-eeepc: how do i enable them? |
| 05:13.30 | jpinx-eeepc | mdeonte: enable what? |
| 05:13.43 | mdeonte | jpinx-eeepc: backports |
| 05:14.09 | jpinx-eeepc | !backports |
| 05:14.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 05:14.32 | liable | go visit backports.org, and read the docs.. |
| 05:14.38 | jpinx-eeepc | mdeonte: go to backports.org and follow the instructions |
| 05:14.53 | jpinx-eeepc | hi5's liable |
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| 05:18.11 | simonrvn | liable: there's more factoids now, and some aren't documented |
| 05:18.57 | liable | simonrvn: true, but my memory is still fucked :) |
| 05:19.02 | lfs | use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) |
| 05:19.08 | lfs | How to do this? |
| 05:19.22 | simonrvn | that's got nothing to do with me or factoids :P |
| 05:19.27 | liable | start alsamixer in a console |
| 05:20.16 | lfs | alsamixer started |
| 05:20.16 | liable | <> buttons to mute/unmute |
| 05:20.43 | lfs | Chip: USB Mixer |
| 05:20.52 | lfs | I think that must be wrong |
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| 05:21.28 | lfs | no buttons |
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| 05:22.15 | liable | is your soundcard module loaded? |
| 05:22.27 | lfs | how to tell? |
| 05:22.45 | Arafangion | Hey guys, I've got a *weird* problem. For some unfathomable reason, my debian system claims to be able to ping 192.168.2.1 even though the network is physically unplugged, and does not report that address in /sbin/ifconfig (anymore - that's a hint!) |
| 05:22.45 | lfs | I think I may have had sound |
| 05:24.45 | Arafangion | I had previously told it that eth3 is 192.168.2.1 (or was it eth2 - anyway, not important), but that was a mistake and I've changed it to 192.168.2.2. I want eth3 to be the *only* physical network connection (Which, incidentialyl, is the case, as reported by ifconfig), but I do NOT want a phantom 192.168.2.1, which should be a totally different computer. |
| 05:24.58 | Arafangion | In other words, how the heck do I get "ping 192.168.2.1" to fail? |
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| 05:27.05 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: something in route? liable might know ;)n |
| 05:27.08 | mdeonte | jpinx-eeepc: that barely helps :( |
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| 05:27.23 | mdeonte | vlc is like a billion years old |
| 05:27.28 | jpinx-eeepc | mdeonte: what is your specific problem? |
| 05:27.42 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
| 05:27.42 | dpkg | i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 05:27.50 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: Unless nm-applet truely does some wacked things, I haven't changed the route - although it's certainly possible that something's cached somewhere.. |
| 05:27.58 | jpinx-eeepc | mdeonte: so what - does it work for you? |
| 05:28.02 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: Whatever it is, it sure as heck isn't the router. |
| 05:28.06 | mdeonte | jpinx-eeepc: Yeah |
| 05:28.33 | simonrvn | arp cache .. |
| 05:28.38 | mdeonte | OH, i wanted to ask to... everytime Debian starts i have to run dhclient before i can get a internet connection. how can i fix that? |
| 05:28.47 | simonrvn | !dhcp |
| 05:28.47 | dpkg | hmm... dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about <dhcp client>. |
| 05:28.51 | simonrvn | !dhcp client |
| 05:28.51 | dpkg | To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. See <kernel options for dhcp>. See also <resolv.conf>, <override dns>. |
| 05:29.01 | liable | grins |
| 05:29.07 | simonrvn | see? ;) |
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| 05:30.31 | mdeonte | simonrvn: yep thanks |
| 05:30.40 | mdeonte | does dpkg know everything? |
| 05:30.51 | jpinx-eeepc | mdeonte: pretty much ;) |
| 05:30.52 | liable | pretty much |
| 05:30.55 | simonrvn | just about |
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| 05:31.07 | liable | years and years of experience in that database |
| 05:31.26 | simonrvn | you effing mindreader haha i was about to say something similar |
| 05:31.40 | Phil4 | what's the command to verify a package's binaries against its signatures? |
| 05:31.44 | Arafangion | wonders why the arp cache isn't automatically cleared when networking is restarted. |
| 05:31.53 | simonrvn | aptitude install debsums and enjoy |
| 05:31.57 | jpinx-eeepc | it is probably the most useful guide to debian in existance - you just need to remember the factoid names |
| 05:31.58 | Phil4 | debsums, that's it |
| 05:31.59 | Phil4 | cheers |
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| 05:32.44 | markinfo | what is needed for "debuild" command? |
| 05:32.51 | Arafangion | Interesting that I can't flush the arp table, only select IP addresses. |
| 05:32.56 | liable | devscripts |
| 05:33.27 | Arafangion | Ok, running 'sudo arp -d 192.168.2.1' reports "No ARP entry for 192.168.2.1" |
| 05:33.43 | simonrvn | hm, so it isn't that |
| 05:34.15 | markinfo | liable, yes. thanks |
| 05:34.18 | Arafangion | What else might it be? |
| 05:34.24 | lfs | Is the mouse supposed to work in alsamixer? |
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| 05:34.36 | liable | lfs: nope, just use arrow keys |
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| 05:35.13 | simonrvn | well, you have nm involved, so it beats me |
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| 05:35.35 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Had nm involved, which is the default configuration for a "desktop" install. |
| 05:36.06 | Arafangion | simonrvn: Note the past tense, deleting nm is always the first step unless I'm on a laptop. (All wifi setups suck... But this is a wired desktop) |
| 05:36.14 | lfs | So turn up everything? |
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| 05:36.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Arafangion: did you try wicd for your laptop? |
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| 05:37.31 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: When I had my laptop, I think I gave it a go, but can't remember why I went back to network manager. |
| 05:37.47 | jpinx-eeepc | only uses wicd |
| 05:37.53 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: network manager seems to work better when it doesn't *magically* decide to change the whole way it decides to configure itself. |
| 05:38.09 | jpinx-eeepc | nm was a pita |
| 05:38.23 | Arafangion | jpinx-eeepc: However, I'm focused on this other issue... Getting this ****'ing address off the system. |
| 05:39.48 | Arafangion | Ok, by *guessing* (I'm annoyed here), I've found that I do, infact, have an eth2. |
| 05:40.01 | Arafangion | (WHich is not listed by default), however, DOES have that address. |
| 05:40.09 | Arafangion | Why am I getting a response if it is not up? |
| 05:40.18 | lfs | For some odd reason after reboot, aplay is now working as root. |
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| 05:40.30 | Arafangion | And why does that response persist even if I issue /sbin/ifconfig eth2 down |
| 05:40.48 | Arafangion | (It's already down - that's besides the point) |
| 05:40.49 | lfs | I just did upgrade and update after long time without using debian |
| 05:41.04 | mdeonte | !gcc |
| 05:41.04 | dpkg | methinks gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, see http://gcc.gnu.org/ . In order to change which version it should use "export CC=gcc-$whatever", as /usr/bin symlinks (gcc, g++, et al) are not handled using Debian <alternatives>; see /usr/share/doc/gcc/README.Debian. Ask me about <gcc-doc>. |
| 05:41.34 | lfs | aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav |
| 05:41.42 | liable | !tell mdeonte _about msg the bot |
| 05:41.45 | lfs | But this gives only static |
| 05:41.54 | liable | !tell mdeonte -about msg the bot |
| 05:41.57 | lfs | any other sounds I can try? |
| 05:42.02 | liable | recalcitrent bot |
| 05:42.11 | liable | !moo |
| 05:42.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/basis-link/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 05:42.31 | mdeonte | Debian want to keep installing gcc-4.3 stuff but my kern is compiled with gcc-4.1 |
| 05:42.39 | mdeonte | how do i fix this? |
| 05:43.08 | liable | hmm, i forget the best way to do that. |
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| 05:43.29 | liable | export CC=gcc-4.1 ?? |
| 05:43.51 | Arafangion | Fixed, with a really stupid and idiotic as heck solution - I brought eth2 up even though it is not connected to anything and will never be connected to anything - and gave it a different IP address. |
| 05:43.54 | liable | getting rusty, haven't compiled anything for ages |
| 05:44.10 | Arafangion | So, eth2 no-longer has 192.168.2.1, so now, finally, I don't get responses from that IP address. |
| 05:44.19 | Arafangion | What the heck was going on? :( |
| 05:44.23 | mdeonte | liable: where do i put that? |
| 05:44.40 | lfs | I have sound as root now. All I did was reboot. |
| 05:44.50 | liable | type it a terminal |
| 05:45.00 | WormFood | anyone have a freakin' clue why I can scan a cd/dvd with dvdisaster on one machine and not another, as a normal user, when both users are configured the same way? (it works fine when run as root, so that rules out hardware problems) |
| 05:45.03 | Arafangion | Do I need to give every ethernet device I have ever had its own, unique IP address and hope that nobody else uses it? (Which sounds insane) |
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| 05:45.26 | jmarsden | mdeonte: I'd just try sometging simple such as aptitude install gcc-4.1 # if that is what you want to install... |
| 05:45.27 | jpinx-eeepc | lfs: I think you would have got it by logging out and in again |
| 05:45.27 | liable | lfs: is your user in audio group? |
| 05:45.53 | WormFood | no Arafangion |
| 05:46.02 | jmarsden | Arafangion: This is what (a) private IP addresses and (b) DHCP are for. |
| 05:46.07 | mdeonte | liable: export CC=gcc-4.1 ?? |
| 05:46.17 | mdeonte | bash: export: `??': not a valid identifier |
| 05:46.20 | lfs | I have sound |
| 05:46.22 | Arafangion | WormFood: My evidence begs to differ. |
| 05:46.27 | lfs | I don't know how, |
| 05:46.31 | mdeonte | oh |
| 05:46.37 | mdeonte | i put those ?? there on accident |
| 05:46.52 | jmarsden | mdeonte: aptitude install gcc-4.1 # and stop messing with environment variables :) |
| 05:46.52 | Arafangion | jmarsden: DHCP requires a connection to the DHCP server, doesn't it? |
| 05:47.21 | jmarsden | Arafangion: Yes. Using IP for anything non-trivial requires a connection to your IP-based network, too. |
| 05:47.31 | lfs | I have sound on WINE |
| 05:48.02 | Arafangion | jmarsden: I don't actually want to *use* it, I want the network interface to be *ignored*, unconditionally ignored. |
| 05:48.15 | WormFood | Arafangion, bring the interface down |
| 05:48.16 | lfs | I did screw around with alsamixer and turned everything up |
| 05:48.17 | jmarsden | Arafangion: Then why are you assigning it an address? :) |
| 05:48.17 | Arafangion | jmarsden: Yet, if it has an address, linux will pretend that it's alive. |
| 05:48.29 | Arafangion | WormFood: I did, didn't work. |
| 05:48.31 | lfs | But should alsamixer effect root sound? |
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| 05:48.40 | WormFood | Arafangion, then you're doing something wrong |
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| 05:48.47 | simonrvn | lfs: what does ls -l /dev/snd/ say? (pastebin it) |
| 05:48.54 | Arafangion | WormFood: "/sbin/ifconfig eth2 down" |
| 05:49.04 | Arafangion | WormFood: Only solution I've found so far is giving it an actual, different address. |
| 05:49.14 | Arafangion | Which is insane. |
| 05:49.29 | dvs | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:49.36 | Arafangion | Don't tell me that "I'm doing soemthing wrong", I'm trying to find out what the heck I'm doing that is infact "wrong". |
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| 05:49.58 | lfs | I posted to #flood |
| 05:50.00 | Arafangion | dvs: Misplaced space? :) |
| 05:50.16 | jmarsden | Arafangion: If you have a complex networking setup, it may be best to get rid of network-manager and configure each interface in /etc/network/interfaces instead |
| 05:50.17 | liable | wish i was an op, wouldave kicked him :) |
| 05:50.36 | Arafangion | jmarsden: Already deleted network-manager ages ago. |
| 05:50.39 | mdeonte | that didnt work |
| 05:50.41 | lfs | ANyway I am happy I have sound |
| 05:50.44 | mdeonte | liable: ^ |
| 05:50.52 | jmarsden | OK, so pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces somewhere we can see it, please? |
| 05:50.53 | lfs | I wish I knew what was wrong with it. |
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| 05:51.02 | simonrvn | lfs: seems ok |
| 05:51.14 | mdeonte | jmarsden: I did that.. everything wants to be compiled with gcc 4.3 though |
| 05:51.42 | mdeonte | is there just a way that i can get a kern that is compiled with gcc 4.3 |
| 05:51.47 | mdeonte | it seems like that would just fix it |
| 05:52.01 | WormFood | mdeonte, compile your own kernel |
| 05:52.17 | liable | mdeonte: did you do it as the user thats building the driver? |
| 05:52.51 | lfs | I lenny stable now |
| 05:52.54 | lfs | ? |
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| 05:53.34 | mdeonte | liable: yes |
| 05:53.36 | mdeonte | root |
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| 05:53.46 | liable | mdeonte: hmm, maybe you need full path.. i forget.. export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 |
| 05:53.53 | jmarsden | mdeonte: You have gcc-4.1 installed? OK, good. Now you can do CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 $CC -o foo foo.c # to compile foo.c with gcc 4.1, if I remember correctly |
| 05:54.15 | liable | heh, or whatever version it was.. |
| 05:54.30 | liable | !wenas |
| 05:54.30 | dpkg | [wenas] Spanish term for someone who likes to stuff small rodents and tomatoes up their rectum. |
| 05:54.46 | liable | o_0 |
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| 05:55.00 | jmarsden | mdeonte: As liable says, export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 # should work too. |
| 05:55.13 | mdeonte | YES |
| 05:55.15 | mdeonte | it worked |
| 05:55.54 | Arafangion | jmarsden: I don't have internet access on that box yet (No DNS), so I'll type it by hand. |
| 05:56.00 | simonrvn | !factinfo wenas |
| 05:56.00 | dpkg | wenas -- created by sussudio <Suss@d5113259.cable.wanadoo.nl> at Tue Mar 11 22:09:08 2003 (2454 days); it has been requested 19 times, last by liable, 1m 29s ago. |
| 05:56.12 | mdeonte | thanks a lot jmarsden liable |
| 05:56.13 | liable | not surprising.. |
| 05:56.18 | simonrvn | figures |
| 05:56.40 | mdeonte | what is that? |
| 05:56.46 | mdeonte | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:57.02 | simonrvn | shit, my eyes blurred for a sec and i thought i saw "marble" instead of "jmarsden liable" |
| 05:57.26 | mdeonte | hah |
| 05:57.31 | liable | been smoking pot again have we? :) |
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| 05:57.42 | massmc | hi is there a easier way to password protect a directory in apache.. allot of the howto's are 3 years old.. is there a recent one? |
| 05:57.59 | simonrvn | not since 2004 |
| 05:58.51 | simonrvn | massmc: what is it to it? it hasn't changed much at all. |
| 05:59.13 | WormFood | massmc, chmod 000 directory :P |
| 05:59.49 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 06:00.24 | simonrvn | i sometimes do that when i don't want to mess around with adding some basic/digest auth |
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| 06:00.48 | WormFood | massmc, the technique does not change...if it ain't broke, don't fix it...the stuff you're reading from 3 years ago is still accurate |
| 06:01.30 | simonrvn | the docs get updated when they need to be |
| 06:01.52 | simonrvn | as for apache, you should really be checking out *their* docs. they're fine and complete. |
| 06:02.18 | simonrvn | (damnit forgot the nmu tag...) |
| 06:02.30 | WormFood | one of my friends wanted a book on how to prorgam the 6800 family of microprocessor (6805 to be exact), and they couldn't find anything newer than the early 1980s....because that stuff does not change. |
| 06:02.55 | Arafangion | Ok, http://paste.debian.net/52702/ |
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| 06:03.17 | simonrvn | WormFood: like you said, if it ain't broke, don't fix it =) |
| 06:03.26 | massmc | WormFood, just want to have a folder accessible only to a certain amount of users.. I went through the howto's but doesnt seem to work |
| 06:03.37 | massmc | still on it, i'll see how i go with this new one |
| 06:03.59 | jetscreamer | .htaaccess or something |
| 06:04.00 | WormFood | it is really very straight forward |
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| 06:05.03 | jetscreamer | [00.05.02] <dpkg> i heard .htaccess is ... well, Niffum found some info at http://www.apache.org/docs/misc/FAQ.html in section G, number 3 |
| 06:05.36 | WormFood | Arafangion, did you try ifdown? |
| 06:05.51 | WormFood | Arafangion, did you try setting the address to 0/0? |
| 06:06.28 | Arafangion | WormFood: So you do, infact, have to change the address? If that address is considered a "valid" address, then that should work, I suppose. |
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| 06:06.53 | WormFood | NO, that interface should not be coming up automatically |
| 06:07.16 | Arafangion | WormFood: The paste I showed showed that it was not coming up automatically. |
| 06:07.27 | WormFood | that paste did not show that |
| 06:08.07 | Arafangion | WormFood: It did by showing that there was no eth2 in the interfaces file, nor was it listed by ifconfig by default. |
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| 06:08.44 | WormFood | it just shows that it isn't configured in /etc/network/interfaces...that does not mean it isn't trying to be pulled up somewhere else |
| 06:09.20 | Arafangion | WormFood: It was prevously brought up by network manager, but that program no-longer even exists on the system. |
| 06:09.45 | WormFood | did you reboot since that was removed? |
| 06:09.46 | liable | i would blame NM and be happy |
| 06:09.53 | Arafangion | WormFood: No, why would I reboot? |
| 06:10.07 | liable | its fun! |
| 06:10.09 | Arafangion | liable: I blamed NM, so I deleted it, but was not happy because the problem remained. |
| 06:10.18 | WormFood | because that will solve your problem...maybe your machine needs a rest |
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| 06:10.54 | Arafangion | So, if I ever have this issue on a real live server, I just say "Reboot, some idiot must've run networm manager a few months ago"? |
| 06:11.37 | liable | sounds fair |
| 06:11.41 | WormFood | why would you be using that tool on a real live server? |
| 06:11.58 | Arafangion | WormFood: You're missing the point. |
| 06:12.12 | WormFood | no, I'm not missing the point |
| 06:12.19 | Arafangion | THe point is, something *stupid* is happening, what guarantee do I have that a reboot will fix it *permanently*? |
| 06:12.36 | WormFood | no comment |
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| 06:13.00 | mdeonte | !montel |
| 06:13.37 | Arafangion | Now, if someone was managing a windows system that has antivirus and firewalls and who knows what else, plus the usual installation of crapware, I would, infact, tell that person to "Just reboot", because sometimes it isn't worth trying to investigate why something is happening, but I wanted to have the problem fixed, and *also* know why. |
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| 06:14.40 | WormFood | ok, perhaps you don't understand the few times you want/need to reboot a Linux machine. |
| 06:14.55 | liable | meh, wasn't going to buy more beer, but i've weakened already |
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| 06:15.15 | Arafangion | WormFood: Surely, a change in network interfaces does not require a reboot? How the heck does linux work with hot-swappable NIC's? |
| 06:15.20 | mdeonte | can someone tell me if https://monteledwards.com:8333 shows me a login screen |
| 06:15.22 | mdeonte | you* |
| 06:17.06 | qwd | mdeonte: yes, but it was slow |
| 06:17.20 | mdeonte | qwd: where are you? |
| 06:17.40 | qwd | mdeonte: which country you mean? |
| 06:17.47 | mdeonte | qwd: yeah |
| 06:17.51 | liable | sitting in front of a computer i would guess.. |
| 06:17.53 | qwd | mdeonte: sweden |
| 06:18.03 | WormFood | Arafangion, I agree, in this instance it shouldn't require a reboot |
| 06:18.21 | WormFood | however, I've worked with Linux for 15 years...I've seen some odd things happen that shouldn't happen |
| 06:18.40 | mdeonte | qwd: well damn i expect it to be slow. im on the other side of the world with domestic internet connection |
| 06:18.58 | Arafangion | WormFood: Well, the uptime of this box is currently in the order of hours. |
| 06:19.01 | WormFood | mdeonte, where is "other side of the world"? |
| 06:19.14 | mdeonte | indiana usa |
| 06:19.27 | qwd | mdeonte: just letting you know in case the slowness caused someone to believe it was down :) |
| 06:19.29 | WormFood | hey! I've been there before |
| 06:19.46 | WormFood | so it is about 2am there mdeonte? |
| 06:19.51 | WormFood | or 1am? |
| 06:20.11 | Arafangion | WormFood: Much of that time was involved in getting synergy to work - I was disinclined to reboot just to try a new network configuration.. I've used linux for 8 years... But evidently had not come across this particular problem before. (8 years ago... network manager was never installed by default - good times). |
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| 06:20.39 | WormFood | Arafangion, what kernel version? |
| 06:21.09 | Arafangion | I've just got the default... 2.6.18 if I remember. (Yes, I know, I should upgrade it to avoid the security holes it has). |
| 06:21.10 | mdeonte | WormFood: naw, 12:21 |
| 06:21.47 | WormFood | Arafangion, I just stepped into the other room to double check a few things on my laptop (which has 2 ethernet interfaces), and everything works as expected |
| 06:21.59 | WormFood | mdeonte, that does not sound right to me...what time zone you in? |
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| 06:22.30 | WormFood | Arafangion, do a "route -n" and add it to the pastebin page, or /msg it to me. |
| 06:22.35 | mdeonte | WormFood: central |
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| 06:23.03 | WormFood | also, you tried "ifdown eth2"? |
| 06:23.42 | WormFood | ok, that sounds right...I was thinking backwards in respect to the time zone changes |
| 06:23.51 | Arafangion | WormFood: There's nothing wrong with the routing table, just shows two entries, one for 192.168.2.0, and the other for the default route, both of which are correct. |
| 06:24.25 | WormFood | it is 2:23 pm here...I know when gaylight "savings" time is in effect, I'm 12 hours off from my usa home, in eastern time zone. |
| 06:25.07 | mdeonte | ah |
| 06:25.10 | Arafangion | WormFood: Thanks for your help, by the way. :) |
| 06:26.01 | WormFood | Arafangion, did you try "ifdown eth2"? |
| 06:26.14 | Arafangion | WormFood: Yes, that was one of the first things I did, even though it was already down. |
| 06:26.41 | Arafangion | WormFood: Actually, to be precice, I used ifconfig eth2 down. |
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| 06:27.22 | Arafangion | Incidentially, ifconfig does not allow me to set 0/0 as an address. |
| 06:27.37 | Arafangion | Claims "Unknown host". |
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| 06:29.55 | WormFood | yeah, I had discovered that when I tried it in my tests a few minutes ago |
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| 06:30.04 | WormFood | I was thinking it would work, but clearly I was wrong |
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| 06:30.55 | RonIn_ | Hi there... I've experiencing this bug -> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=525066 related to network manager 0.7.1, does anyone knows how to get back to 0.7.0 ? because the packages available for download are too far gone in stable 0.6 and in unstable 0.7.2 (the bug still running) thanks in advance from Venezuela .. :) |
| 06:33.42 | Arafangion | WormFood: In any case, it's looking like I have to get some new hardware, because now I've changed the phantom ip address to 192.168.4.4, allowing me to access the *real* 192.168.4.1, I've discovered that winxp's internet connection sharing is indeed moronic. |
| 06:33.52 | Arafangion | WormFood: So now I need to find a linux wifi adapter. |
| 06:34.45 | WormFood | good luck with that |
| 06:34.58 | WormFood | I had bought a linksys one, and it worked great under Linux |
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| 06:35.11 | liable | you'd want to upgrade your kernel |
| 06:35.13 | Arafangion | I'll keep that in mind. |
| 06:35.19 | WormFood | it had a problem, and we had to replace it...and replaced it with a card that wasn't compatible with Linux :( |
| 06:35.21 | Arafangion | also keeps that in mind. |
| 06:35.29 | liable | most atheros ones work ok now |
| 06:35.33 | Phil4 | you only just discovered how bad ICS is, Arafangion? ;) |
| 06:35.35 | Arafangion | Wifi in linux is *still* bad. :( |
| 06:35.43 | WormFood | I use a prism54 in my laptop |
| 06:35.47 | liable | its pretty good now actually |
| 06:35.53 | Arafangion | Phil4: Yes, I've just tried it for the first time, because the eeePC that has a wifi adapter runs windows. |
| 06:36.04 | WormFood | yeah, there are some cool tools for Linux and wireless |
| 06:36.06 | Phil4 | Arafangion, which model? |
| 06:36.18 | Phil4 | my 1008HA worked out the box on Debian with wifi |
| 06:36.21 | Arafangion | Phil4: 900HA, the one with the irreplacable KB. |
| 06:36.31 | Phil4 | and with a kernel upgrade the NIC worked also |
| 06:36.31 | WormFood | as a test, I set my access point using WEP, and a 128 bit key....cracked the key in less than 10 minutes |
| 06:36.42 | Arafangion | And I need it running windows - due to <censored> itunes. |
| 06:36.54 | WormFood | why Arafangion? |
| 06:36.55 | Phil4 | itunes for what? |
| 06:36.58 | liable | Phil4: what wifi chip has the 1008 got? |
| 06:37.01 | WormFood | why do you need to use itunes? |
| 06:37.03 | Arafangion | I've an iPod Touch. |
| 06:37.03 | Phil4 | ehrmmm |
| 06:37.08 | WormFood | so |
| 06:37.17 | Arafangion | And I want to use the appstore with it. :) |
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| 06:37.26 | WormFood | why do you need to use itunes...I thought there was Linux software you can use it with |
| 06:37.35 | Arafangion | WormFood: You can, but not for the touch. |
| 06:37.40 | Phil4 | 02:00.0 Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01) |
| 06:37.42 | Arafangion | WormFood: Or rather, you can, but only for the music. |
| 06:37.50 | mdeonte | qwd: could you run https://monteledwards.com/speed/ and tell me what the down speed is? |
| 06:37.54 | WormFood | i see |
| 06:38.16 | Phil4 | the gigabit nic requires the alt1c driver |
| 06:38.22 | Phil4 | which is broken in 2.6.30 |
| 06:38.31 | Phil4 | but the 2.6.31 in Sid works |
| 06:38.33 | WormFood | i have an ipod shuffle, 2nd gen...works great under Linux. |
| 06:38.44 | Arafangion | And when I say "wifi still sucks on linux", I'm comparing to the mac system I used to have. *flawless*! |
| 06:38.54 | Arafangion | Even the ipod touch is flawless. |
| 06:39.08 | Phil4 | as with anything Linux related, it often takes a bit of pursuasion |
| 06:39.10 | WormFood | I bet I can break it |
| 06:39.20 | Phil4 | but lately the amount of pursuasion required has reduced dramatically |
| 06:39.46 | Arafangion | I might even go as far as claim that wifi on windows isn't so bad either. |
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| 06:40.07 | Arafangion | As long as you persuade it... But the methodology for persuasion hasn't changed in... (How long has it been since XP has been released?) |
| 06:41.07 | liable | i'm thinking of getting a touch, don't particularly want to have to jailbreak it though |
| 06:41.20 | liable | but i see its not neccessary now anyway |
| 06:41.35 | WormFood | until you want to run an unauthorized app |
| 06:41.43 | Phil4 | 8 years, Arafangion |
| 06:42.06 | Phil4 | time flies when you're using Vista, I guess ;) |
| 06:42.22 | liable | yeah i guess. apple are fuckwads really. makes me think twice about buying one. |
| 06:42.24 | Arafangion | Phil4: Quite the opposite, actually, but Vista's wifi *is* better. |
| 06:42.32 | Phil4 | yeh, Arafangion |
| 06:42.40 | Phil4 | driver support in Vista was excellent |
| 06:42.44 | Phil4 | even more so in 7 |
| 06:43.00 | Arafangion | liable: I only bought it for particular apps, if you just want a PDA or use something for music, and don't want itunes, then you've got plenty of alternatives. |
| 06:43.09 | Phil4 | everything other than my dodgy 3rd party probably chinese webcam worked out of the box in Vista |
| 06:43.21 | Phil4 | eh, 7 I mean |
| 06:43.53 | Phil4 | yet without my netbook and some easy access to Debian servers, life would really suck |
| 06:44.09 | Arafangion | I'd be happier on the whole if I never had to deal with Vista. |
| 06:44.21 | Arafangion | ANyway, I have to get going. I'll figure out this networking crap later. |
| 06:44.31 | Arafangion | (And Debian *still* has a phantom IP address) |
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| 06:50.02 | WormFood | Phil4, I think you'll find ALL webcams are made in China :P |
| 06:50.11 | Phil4 | WormFood, probably |
| 06:50.49 | WormFood | I've been to some of the factories in China that make computer parts :D |
| 06:51.14 | qwd | mdeonte: sorry but I don't have flash. In case you're wondering about my download speed (and not the sites upload speed) it's 10mbit/s |
| 06:51.23 | WormFood | I even connected a buyer with the factory, and when they bought 8000 computer cases, I got 50 cents for each case sold....I wished I could do that every day :D |
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| 06:51.32 | Arafangion | Cya WormFood, I'll be back in here sometime in the near future re-asking these questions, :) Cya later. |
| 06:51.50 | mdeonte | qwd: ah. that checks your dl speed from my server though |
| 06:51.51 | WormFood | good luck with it Arafangion, see ya l8r, åè§ |
| 06:52.22 | WormFood | I just installed that app on my server, to check the connection between me (china), and my server (arizona) |
| 06:52.48 | WormFood | mdeonte, want to check your download speed on my server? ;) |
| 06:53.06 | mdeonte | WormFood: if you do mine :] |
| 06:53.15 | WormFood | I did do yours |
| 06:53.15 | qwd | mdeonte: maybe if you have a +5mb file for me to download? |
| 06:53.22 | WormFood | that is how I learned I could add that app to my page :D |
| 06:53.33 | WormFood | I get better speed off your server than on my server |
| 06:53.40 | mdeonte | WormFood: whatcha get? |
| 06:53.58 | WormFood | http://jesusfuckinchrist.com/speedtest/ is mine |
| 06:54.05 | WormFood | I forget |
| 06:54.17 | WormFood | I want to say it was about 900 down, and 80 or 90 up |
| 06:54.42 | WormFood | it is supposed to be about 2000 down, but unless your server is in China, I doubt I could get decent download speed |
| 06:55.03 | WormFood | I'll run your speed test again |
| 06:55.14 | mdeonte | qwd: https://monteledwards.com/speed/speedtest/random2000x2000.jpg |
| 06:55.29 | mdeonte | wget it because firefox will just try to display it |
| 06:55.35 | mdeonte | its 7.5MB |
| 06:55.57 | WormFood | 690 down, and 103 up, on your server mdeonte |
| 06:56.07 | mdeonte | holy fucking shit |
| 06:56.15 | mdeonte | WormFood: who is your ISP? |
| 06:56.23 | WormFood | china telcom I think |
| 06:56.48 | mdeonte | 14595KB/s down 2838KB/s up |
| 06:56.56 | WormFood | oh yeah....and I'm sucking up some bandwidth with some torrents too |
| 06:57.45 | qwd | mdeonte: 250K/s for a while, then 380, jumped up to 430(?) for a very short while and then back to 250 until the end. And I limited my bittorrent client to 1kb/s up and down. |
| 06:58.10 | mdeonte | qwd: well its not that bad then |
| 06:58.16 | WormFood | I just put a limit on my BT client, to 1/1 also |
| 06:58.34 | mdeonte | qwd: look around https://monteledwards.com is it pretty fast/slow? |
| 06:59.48 | WormFood | 839 down, and 373 up, after limiting bittorrent |
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| 07:00.06 | mdeonte | qwd: The inital load of my domain is pretty slow for some reason with SSL. That is probably why the login screen took a while |
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| 07:00.15 | mdeonte | WormFood: that isnt that bad |
| 07:00.35 | WormFood | it is acceptable |
| 07:01.00 | WormFood | I started out on the internet with a 300 or 2400 baud modem, so *everything* seems fast to me |
| 07:01.16 | qwd | mdeonte: pretty slow in the beginning, I'd probably assume it was down if I wasn't testing the speed :) then after clicking around a bit it's ok |
| 07:02.30 | mdeonte | qwd: i need to reconfigure some things with lighttpd beacause my inital CA file that your computer downloads is 500kb |
| 07:02.37 | mdeonte | KB* |
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| 07:03.31 | Arafangion | WormFood: I started with a 56k modem that would connect at 46k, yet could only transfer a kb or two per second. A bad day was when I was getting 3 *bytes* a second. (I still don't know how the connection managed to remain up in the first place) |
| 07:03.57 | Arafangion | WormFood: Then we got ADSL. :) |
| 07:04.46 | WormFood | well, a "56K" modem isn't entirely accurate...while technically it is capable of downloading at 56k, they are limited by the phone company, and are not allowed to send faster than 53K....of course, that is only under the absolute best conditions. |
| 07:05.13 | Arafangion | WormFood: I wish. |
| 07:05.26 | WormFood | I did a LOT of uploading, and I usually ran my 56k modem as a 33.6k, so I can get faster upload speeds |
| 07:05.28 | Arafangion | WormFood: Upstream's limited to 33KBps. :) |
| 07:05.41 | Arafangion | Ahh, yes, that's it. |
| 07:05.42 | WormFood | a normal 56k modem, if not configured otherwise only uploads at 28.8k |
| 07:06.00 | liable | waits for someone to mention they have a DEC100 in the basement.. |
| 07:06.05 | Arafangion | Wouldn't surprise me. |
| 07:06.16 | WormFood | I have a gimix computer at home in usa |
| 07:06.40 | WormFood | the backplane says "copyright 1979" (or was it '78?) |
| 07:06.45 | Arafangion | has to run - is now "officially out". |
| 07:06.58 | tensorpudding | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:07.05 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/old_computers/ |
| 07:07.51 | liable | needs a dusting |
| 07:08.27 | WormFood | http://wormfood.net/hard_drive.jpg <-- I think from 1983 "the price war is over!!", 5meg winchester hard disk $995 (plus another $150 for the controller) |
| 07:09.07 | WormFood | 15 meg is "only" $1449 |
| 07:10.16 | tensorpudding | i think i have a lot of text files bigger than 15 meg |
| 07:11.50 | lfs | Is lenny the stable version now? |
| 07:11.56 | liable | yep |
| 07:12.36 | lfs | And ETch the testing. Is it frozen yet? |
| 07:12.43 | tensorpudding | squeeze is testing |
| 07:12.46 | liable | squeeze is testing |
| 07:12.49 | tensorpudding | and it won't freeze for a while |
| 07:13.05 | lfs | etch is unstable? |
| 07:13.11 | tensorpudding | etch is oldstable |
| 07:13.23 | lfs | sid is unstable |
| 07:13.24 | WormFood | sid is unstable |
| 07:13.30 | tensorpudding | sid is unstable! |
| 07:13.37 | WormFood | unstable will ALWAYS be sid |
| 07:13.57 | WormFood | but I personally like to call sid, "unusable" ;) |
| 07:13.58 | lfs | I Have had Lenny on this computer for quite a while. |
| 07:14.12 | tensorpudding | how long is that? |
| 07:14.18 | tensorpudding | there have been some updates to stable |
| 07:14.25 | lfs | Must be over two years |
| 07:14.28 | mdeonte | qwd: i was able to reduce the CA to 4kb |
| 07:14.36 | tensorpudding | if you haven't updated since before the summer, there are some things you should get |
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| 07:15.02 | lfs | That is probably why I had problems with the sound |
| 07:15.33 | lfs | Is there a way to tell when the installation was made? |
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| 07:16.14 | lfs | What things should I get? |
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| 07:17.22 | tensorpudding | do you have your sources.list set up for lenny? |
| 07:18.29 | lfs | yes |
| 07:18.34 | tensorpudding | just do aptitude update, then aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 07:18.37 | mdeonte | Can someone that has *not* visited https://monteledwards.com before tell me if the inital load is fast |
| 07:18.43 | lfs | I Have been using Lenny since March 07 |
| 07:18.58 | tensorpudding | and that will get all the updates |
| 07:18.58 | lfs | At least. That is the oldest file I see |
| 07:19.26 | lfs | I Just did update upgrade after long time. |
| 07:19.43 | lfs | Lenny was testing when I installed. |
| 07:20.22 | tensorpudding | it's probably changed a lot since then |
| 07:21.58 | mdeonte | WormFood: the "Here are some Signs from God" link is 404 |
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| 07:25.16 | mdeonte | is there a command that will search for any file and dir with the name vmware in it |
| 07:25.45 | tensorpudding | check out find and locate |
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| 07:27.22 | akaram | hello, in a fashion of deborphan is there any utility that can track old files (like logs or remaning from purged pkged) or generaly files that are not used anymore ? |
| 07:28.04 | tensorpudding | if the file is indexed by locate, locate will work much faster, but otherwise find will work fine |
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| 07:30.16 | akaram | how would i find.. let's say files that haven't been used in the last 300 days |
| 07:30.19 | _Trinity_ | hi all |
| 07:30.24 | laurus | To make a .iso file of a CD, can I really just type 'cat /media/cdrom0 > mycd.iso' ? |
| 07:31.28 | tensorpudding | dd would probably be better |
| 07:31.36 | laurus | tensorpudding, what is that? |
| 07:32.05 | laurus | Oh |
| 07:32.07 | laurus | dd if=/dev/cdrom of=cd.iso ? |
| 07:32.18 | laurus | Is there any difference between /dev/cdrom and /media/cdrom ? |
| 07:32.20 | _Trinity_ | say is Debian Lenny iusing a.xinitrc file at all? |
| 07:32.43 | tensorpudding | usually /media/cdrom is where /dev/cdrom is mounted, and the latter is a device file created by udev |
| 07:33.05 | laurus | tensorpudding, ahh I see. |
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| 07:33.41 | tensorpudding | i don't know if it will work though |
| 07:33.44 | _Trinity_ | I copied a sample one from /etc/C11/xinit/xintirc to ~ without checking if one already existed. Anyway, lxde starts up with it and without it |
| 07:33.50 | tensorpudding | i can't remember if iso's work like that |
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| 07:35.00 | liable | _Trinity_: it will use it if it exists |
| 07:35.19 | tlir | during ssh session mysql was installed and got to the point where dpkg configured it and showed the dialog box, though at that point I was disconnected. |
| 07:35.33 | _Trinity_ | liable: so it doesn't mater in my case since it works with and without. Good |
| 07:35.49 | tlir | is there a way to resume session from there or should I kill dpkg process as there is no way to continue the 'apt-get install' proecedure |
| 07:35.58 | _Trinity_ | it probably wasn't there in the first place if it works the same with and without |
| 07:36.00 | _Trinity_ | I assume |
| 07:36.25 | _Trinity_ | thanks liable |
| 07:36.46 | liable | tlir: kill apt i suppose. btw, screen is exactly what you want to work around that kind of problem. |
| 07:36.52 | mdeonte | is there a way that i can convert text like,,,, |
| 07:36.54 | laurus | tensorpudding, thanks for the help |
| 07:36.56 | liable | !screen |
| 07:36.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, screen is a terminal multiplexor, allowing you to have n terminals and easily switch between them, add keybindings, scroll back, copy/paste and lets you resume all your sessions if your terminal dies or are disconnected. "aptitude install screen". See /usr/share/doc/screen/README.Debian and also ask me about <screen tutorial>. http://www.gnu.org/software/screen #screen on irc.freenode.net. |
| 07:36.56 | mdeonte | montel |
| 07:37.00 | laurus | I actually found a way to do this without ripping it |
| 07:37.02 | manugg | i just installed debian today. what do you use for firewall settings? just iptables? is there any way to use ufw? |
| 07:37.04 | mdeonte | edwards |
| 07:37.10 | mdeonte | into one line montel edwards |
| 07:37.16 | _Trinity_ | liable: just oen question, would have $ askedme if I wanted to override a preexisting file? |
| 07:37.16 | laurus | I never thought this day would come... Final Fantasy VII emulated on a Debian machine :) |
| 07:37.17 | tlir | liable: yeah I know. I had 'screen' on that apt-get install list it just wasn't the first thing :) |
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| 07:37.44 | liable | _Trinity_: bash you mean? you used cp ? no. |
| 07:38.11 | _Trinity_ | I used cp yes |
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| 07:38.31 | _Trinity_ | by $ I mean I was a regular user when I copied it |
| 07:38.47 | _Trinity_ | yes I should be using bash. Let me hceck |
| 07:39.09 | liable | doesnt matter, it wont ask to overwrite |
| 07:39.31 | _Trinity_ | k |
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| 07:41.26 | _Trinity_ | well, I gots to get me, myelf, and I to bed |
| 07:41.35 | _Trinity_ | g'night |
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| 07:51.53 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:51.53 | dpkg | <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups? |
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| 07:53.27 | simonrvn | that was sadly funny |
| 07:53.43 | simonrvn | poor guy |
| 07:54.30 | liable | heh, yep |
| 07:55.12 | simonrvn | man these are good pickles |
| 07:55.21 | liable | and cheese? |
| 07:55.40 | simonrvn | bison burger |
| 07:55.56 | liable | ooh, i could go one of those! |
| 07:56.10 | liable | is bison good? |
| 07:56.28 | simonrvn | a) it has actual flavour b) very good for you |
| 07:56.41 | liable | yeah, i think i recall its very lean |
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| 07:56.55 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 07:58.25 | simonrvn | in the old days, we'd have bison all over the place here, not just the plains |
| 07:58.50 | simonrvn | there's two types, wood, and plains. the wood bison are smaller. |
| 07:59.24 | liable | yeah, i read there ain't so many around anymore. |
| 07:59.51 | simonrvn | more plentiful however was woodland caribou |
| 08:00.00 | simonrvn | they also are endangered |
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| 08:00.17 | babilen | isn't the situation getting better? |
| 08:00.18 | simonrvn | some herds extremely so |
| 08:00.26 | simonrvn | in some places no |
| 08:00.52 | simonrvn | they keep trying... but they gotta fucking stop the clearcutting for them to be successful... |
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| 08:03.48 | babilen | It would really be a shame if bisons would become extinct. But, as you pointed out, that takes more than just creating a few reservations. |
| 08:03.59 | babilen | Good morning/night btw :-D |
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| 08:04.07 | simonrvn | in the winter time my people used to live on the caribou, moose, deer, plus the harvest from autumn, esp. my aln8bak ancestors. the l'nuk ancestors were more fisherfolk, though did/do a hunting too |
| 08:04.23 | simonrvn | the bison well, they're doing better than the caribou |
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| 08:07.26 | mdeonte | !shit |
| 08:07.26 | dpkg | from memory, shit is fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 08:07.42 | mdeonte | lol |
| 08:07.48 | mdeonte | that is a good one |
| 08:08.06 | mdeonte | how is debian with wireless? |
| 08:09.11 | simonrvn | !tias |
| 08:09.11 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 08:10.06 | hanibana | hi all |
| 08:11.11 | mdeonte | hola amigo |
| 08:12.51 | hanibana | I've a Debian Etch server and I want to install a package that is present in Debian Lenny (its new version). Is it reasonable that I install lenny packages in etch to upgrade that package? |
| 08:13.25 | simonrvn | would be better to actually upgrade |
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| 08:14.06 | hanibana | simonrvn: so its possible? |
| 08:14.50 | simonrvn | dpkg: tell hanibana -about etch->lenny |
| 08:17.05 | hanibana | simonrvn: no I mean upgrading package without dist-upgrade. I looked at dependencies and possibly there's no problem with that. |
| 08:18.31 | simonrvn | hanibana: why aren't you switching to lenny? etch won't be supported for too much longer. |
| 08:20.08 | Tapout | I'm connecting to debian thru putty, and I want to see colors. ls -la --color=auto .. only shows 'blue' folders, not all kinds of colors.. anyone know what ya gotta do? |
| 08:21.10 | Tapout | and yes, TERM=xterm-color |
| 08:21.17 | jmarsden | Tapout: Have some other kinds of files in the listing, probably :) |
| 08:21.38 | Tapout | i do |
| 08:22.25 | KnuckOne | Tapout: "dircolors -b" in ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile according to what you want |
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| 08:23.03 | hanibana | simonrvn: I've Lenny servers. But, this one is different. It has some propiretry components that works only on lenny. It's not just that package. |
| 08:23.23 | hanibana | * that works only on etch. |
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| 08:23.47 | simonrvn | that sucks - you should bug them to update, if it's possible. |
| 08:23.55 | simonrvn | technically it's possible, maybe. be careful of such things as glibc incompatibilities and other library issues. |
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| 08:24.52 | hanibana | simonrvn: ok thank you. |
| 08:25.47 | Tapout | there we go, thanks KnuckOne |
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| 08:51.50 | PoWeRKiL1 | hi |
| 08:52.25 | PoWeRKiL1 | someone can help me to reduce a my /home lvm partition and grow my /var lvm please ? |
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| 08:56.55 | liable | PoWeRKiL1: cant you google it? |
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| 09:48.12 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps where is the config file for gnome so that i can make it use a switch so i can suspend my pc correctly |
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| 09:51.08 | babilen | !tell bbelt16ag -about suspend |
| 09:51.50 | bbelt16ag | great... |
| 09:51.57 | bbelt16ag | now i gotta go find that /msg |
| 09:52.05 | bbelt16ag | bb in like 30 minutes |
| 09:52.05 | babilen | !suspend |
| 09:52.05 | dpkg | Suspend can mean either suspend to disk (a.k.a. hibernate) or suspend to RAM. The in-kernel suspend now works pretty well in etch (and even better in lenny). There are also kernel patches that provide more features such as <tuxonice>. Installing the uswsusp and hibernate packages along with a front-end like gnome-power-manager or kpowersave should be enough. Also ask me about <suspend troubleshooting> and <swapwake>. |
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| 09:52.58 | neoice | anyone know of a tool to scan your drive for duplicate files / filenames? |
| 09:53.05 | neoice | or do I just need to hack my own together? |
| 09:53.11 | babilen | bbelt16ag: you can /msg and /query dpkg and ask for every factoid mentioned in < ... > |
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| 09:53.52 | xyan | neoice: tried apt-cache search duplicate files? |
| 09:54.21 | babilen | neoice: ... which would lead you to find 'fdupes' |
| 09:54.32 | babilen | s/find// |
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| 10:03.02 | hoo-hah | assuming it's apt related |
| 10:03.09 | bbelt16ag | ok i am confused how to configure the buttons to work etc |
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| 10:21.30 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:21.30 | dpkg | <feerf> ok, the main think that does not work in Woody is that Woody is way too old (like museum now) |
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| 10:23.39 | jj5 | How do I pipe stderr and stdout to a single file? I thought it was something like: |
| 10:23.49 | jj5 | make 2>&1 > file.log |
| 10:24.00 | jj5 | ...but that's not working for me..? |
| 10:25.22 | iceroot | make > file 2>&1 |
| 10:25.49 | jj5 | Thanks. :P |
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| 10:26.56 | bbelt16ag | hey pepes i got a questions |
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| 10:27.31 | jj5 | I'm trying to build the gnuchess-5.07 package but make is failing like this: http://pastebin.com/m4e06efae |
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| 10:27.49 | iceroot | bbelt16ag: and we should guess what the question is? |
| 10:28.04 | jj5 | Initially it was complaining that flex wasn't installed, but now it's complaining about stuff missing from C files..? |
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| 10:30.13 | bbelt16ag | ui am tryin gto figure out what to ask so you dont get confused. |
| 10:30.41 | bbelt16ag | the hibernation and suspend stuff is confusing.. |
| 10:31.07 | bbelt16ag | i think lenny 5 uses the pm utils right? |
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| 10:34.01 | KnuckOne | uses the good ol' acpitool and have no pm-utils installed :) |
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| 10:35.03 | liable | jj5: you need to find which libs/headers have those funtions |
| 10:35.29 | jj5 | liable: how do I do that? :P |
| 10:35.30 | bbelt16ag | hmmm |
| 10:36.45 | liable | jj5: the first lot appear to belong to pgn.c which is odd, because its part of the package from what i see |
| 10:37.01 | liable | jj5: just google the function names its whining about |
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| 10:37.03 | jj5 | liable: I would have expected the source package to compile OOTB, but it doesn't |
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| 10:38.13 | liable | jj5: is that a release or from svn/git or something? |
| 10:38.29 | jj5 | liable: nah, apt-get source gnuchess |
| 10:38.47 | liable | jj5: apt-get build-dep |
| 10:40.22 | jj5 | liable: that installed libncurses5-dev libreadline5-dev |
| 10:41.11 | liable | are you using dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 10:41.14 | jj5 | but the result is the same |
| 10:41.29 | jj5 | No, I don't know what that is |
| 10:41.44 | liable | why are you building it from source? |
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| 10:42.20 | jj5 | Because I want to modify the source to allow rotating of the board (if I can, but I'm stuck on the very first step: getting it to compile) |
| 10:42.56 | beardy | Get a turnable monitor? |
| 10:42.58 | a_l_e | in debian testing i'm asked toremove dhcp3-client because of unsatisfied dependency... how do i know if it save to remove it? |
| 10:42.58 | beardy | runs |
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| 10:47.38 | jj5 | beardy: I might have to. :P |
| 10:48.17 | beardy | jj5: Is it the latest and bleediest devel-version? |
| 10:48.47 | KnuckOne | xrandr beardy ;) |
| 10:48.49 | simonrvn | dripping |
| 10:49.06 | liable | jj5: use dpkg-buildpackage, i would guess the debian/rules file has some make magic in it that just using make doesn't |
| 10:49.08 | jj5 | Nah it's from apt-get source on the ubuntu hardy sources |
| 10:49.11 | beardy | jj5: Or.. can you find some evidence of that anyone has built it? |
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| 10:49.36 | liable | jj5: and piss off to #ubuntu! :P |
| 10:49.50 | beardy | Quite.. |
| 10:49.52 | jj5 | liable: I love debian too much. :) |
| 10:49.59 | liable | so use it.. |
| 10:50.06 | beardy | Well, that's all nice, but not the issue.. |
| 10:50.45 | simonrvn | jj5: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 10:50.57 | beardy | If this is on Ubuntu, #ubuntu is where to ask, for many reasons. |
| 10:51.28 | simonrvn | for some reason thinks it isn't ubuntu but debian |
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| 10:53.04 | jj5 | trots off to #ubuntu |
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| 10:55.05 | babilen | jj5: duck and cover might serve you better |
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| 10:55.54 | jj5 | uses debian. It's just that in this case it's Ubuntu... |
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| 11:00.34 | boodie | Hi; since I tried to configure an evil webcam, by using GSPCA, my Lenny doesn't detect the soundcard at boot (a nvidia - intel8x0). If I run alsaconf and set the intel8x0 card, everything works fine until the next boot ... how can I solve the problem? |
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| 11:01.13 | liable | boodie: hmm, look in your /etc/modprobe.d/ dir or /etc/modules |
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| 11:03.10 | devec | hoi |
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| 11:03.32 | jj5 | isn't having any luck in #ubuntu |
| 11:04.00 | jj5 | simonrvn: what did you mean /msg dpkg ssb? I don't understand... what sort of a command is that? |
| 11:04.12 | liable | is trying to resist using the 'they don't know' factoid.. :) |
| 11:04.20 | simonrvn | you type here... |
| 11:04.24 | jj5 | laughs |
| 11:05.04 | boodie | liable: in the '/etc/modprobe.d/sound' file I have the following: |
| 11:05.08 | boodie | alias snd-card-0 snd-intel8x0 |
| 11:05.08 | boodie | options snd-intel8x0 index=0 |
| 11:05.27 | boodie | sorry 4 the copy & paste, it's just 2 lines |
| 11:05.31 | liable | boodie: anything else ineteresting? |
| 11:05.32 | crazyfrog | what package should i install to support this device:Bus 002 Device 002: ID 064e:a103 Suyin Corp |
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| 11:06.55 | boodie | So, I think the problem is at boot, in fact alsaconf says that it's configuring the card #0, then before the boot is finished, it runs again setting card #1, which is non-existing in fact |
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| 11:07.11 | do0ob | Anyone know which run dialogue that is? http://media.photobucket.com/image/grub2%20message/Fireblend/Screenshot.png |
| 11:07.26 | do0ob | hopes its a qt app |
| 11:07.45 | do0ob | not qt3, i'd rather have gtk2 than qt3 |
| 11:08.39 | valdyn | do0ob: some gnome-do plugin |
| 11:08.53 | do0ob | ah |
| 11:08.55 | valdyn | do0ob: err, the gnome-do rhythmbox plugin |
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| 11:09.27 | do0ob | thanks that looks like it |
| 11:09.28 | boodie | I ran alsaconf ... now, this moment, the card works; I've been told to "blacklist" the other two devices that I fear GSPCA created, but I don't know how to ... |
| 11:10.06 | cahoot | boodie: give snd-usb-audio index 1? |
| 11:10.18 | boodie | Or, otherwise, remove from the boot the 2nd alsaconf launch |
| 11:10.41 | jj5 | is installing debian in a virtual machine... :) |
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| 11:11.12 | do0ob | jj5: debian sid i hope |
| 11:12.17 | jj5 | do0ob: I was just going to install from the stable net inst iso, can I use that to install sid (I can just apt-get dist-upgrade to sid, no?) |
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| 11:12.51 | do0ob | jj5: it'd be better to go to sid from a testing netinstall |
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| 11:13.07 | crazyfrog | how to install module to support usb webcam? |
| 11:13.33 | liable | jj5: start it in expert mode and you can install sid directly. if you have to ask you shouldnt though :P |
| 11:14.07 | boodie | cahoot: , in the card database that alsaconf builds, 3 cards appear; intel8x0 is the first (guess with index 0), mpu401 (index 1?), and legacy (index 3?); if I choose intel8x0, then the sound comes back fine |
| 11:14.45 | do0ob | jj5: encrypt your root partition too |
| 11:14.47 | jj5 | liable: now now, there's only one way to learn these things. How do I install sid via expert mode? |
| 11:14.53 | elli222 | rrrrrr SDL broken with new pulseaudio D: |
| 11:15.04 | cahoot | boodie: how did you manage to resurrect alsaconf? |
| 11:15.06 | liable | jj5: boot the installer with 'expert' |
| 11:15.19 | jj5 | do0ob: why would I want to do that? |
| 11:15.35 | do0ob | jj5: thought you might like to try it |
| 11:15.41 | jj5 | liable: I know how to do an expert mode installation, just not how to install sid via expert mode... |
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| 11:15.52 | liable | jj5: it asks you .. |
| 11:16.04 | jj5 | suspects he's being mocked |
| 11:16.08 | jj5 | liable: ok, thanks. |
| 11:16.16 | liable | no, your not |
| 11:16.27 | jj5 | s/your/you're/ ;) |
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| 11:17.09 | boodie | cahoot: alsaconf is in the debian/system menu ... one can launc it from a term as far as I know ... asks for the root pwd, then it works |
| 11:17.22 | boodie | ohps 'launch' |
| 11:17.43 | jj5 | fears encryption. Whenever I encrypt something it always ends up being *me* who can't access it, years later when I've forgotten what the password was... |
| 11:18.22 | do0ob | years later? why would you not use your pc for years? |
| 11:18.40 | jj5 | I'm just sayin' |
| 11:18.42 | iceroot | jj5: years later the pcs are powerfull enough to crack it :) |
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| 11:23.06 | Eftarjin | hi. whatâs the current status of the time-based freeze? On http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090730 we can read "the Release Team has decided to revisit its decision on December 2009 as the proposed freeze date. A new timeline will be announced by the Debian Release Team in early September." I couldnât find that announce. |
| 11:23.26 | liable | !wwsr |
| 11:23.26 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a <freeze> starting in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>. |
| 11:24.28 | Eftarjin | thanks |
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| 11:33.56 | imganquan | Hi. I install a debian lenny in vmware, then I upgrade this guest machine to debian squeeze, after long time download and installation, the guest os can not login to gnome desktop. I want to go to the tty of the guest os, but when I pressed c-a-F1, my host os (debian lenny) went to tty ,the guest did not. How can I make the guest os in vmware go to tty? Thanks. |
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| 11:55.37 | et | Hi. After apt-get -b source linux-image... *; can i somehow get the kernel config that was used? |
| 11:57.18 | nkuttler | et: did you install the kernel yet? |
| 11:57.44 | et | yes, and it's running |
| 11:58.19 | nkuttler | et: /boot/config-foo |
| 11:58.19 | valdyn | imganquan: read t he vmware documentation |
| 11:58.19 | et | ah, thanks |
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| 12:02.31 | jakel | Has anyone had a good experience with installing debian to a flash drive? I don't want a swap partition (to minimize read/write cycles) but do want some persistance (including adding new packages/files), none of the guides I've found have been very helpful unfortunately |
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| 12:06.19 | hippomikko | Can somebody help me with an Apache permissions problem? |
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| 12:12.04 | Linux-IRC | Hi, |
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| 12:12.32 | Linux-IRC | What's the difference between tiny small cd and 180MB cd http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst ? |
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| 12:13.48 | liable | the netinst can install base without net. the business iso has to have net |
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| 12:17.49 | Linux-IRC | liable: Can i install testing debian from 180MB cd ? |
| 12:18.01 | Linux-IRC | liable: Or unstable debian |
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| 12:18.58 | liable | you can get the testing installer and install it, yes |
| 12:19.12 | liable | you can also do it by booting the installer in expert mode |
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| 12:20.14 | liable | Linux-IRC: don't /msg people without asking |
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| 12:20.57 | Linux-IRC | liable: I have debian lenny 5.0 cd ,the first gnome cd , can i install debian testing or debian unstable from that? |
| 12:21.38 | iceroot | Linux-IRC: you can upgrade to them |
| 12:21.48 | liable | you can also do it by booting the installer in expert mode.. |
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| 12:22.28 | Linux-IRC | liable: Does expert mode have that option to install debian unstable or testing ? |
| 12:23.03 | liable | no. i just said that because i like seeing my name in the channel.. |
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| 12:23.28 | Linux-IRC | liable: Huh |
| 12:23.51 | Linux-IRC | liable: I haven't tried that before,this time i would try that |
| 12:24.28 | Arafangion | So, how do I tell linux to remove an ip address from an interface? |
| 12:24.55 | liable | lol, like a dog wih a bone! |
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| 12:25.09 | nkuttler | Arafangion: uuh, give it a new? bring the interface down? |
| 12:25.18 | liable | removing the module should do it |
| 12:25.18 | Arafangion | For example, suppose eth2 has ip address 192.168.2.4, and I want to make it so that 'ping 192.168.2.4' always either times out or can't reach it. (And no, bringing the interface down doesn't help) |
| 12:25.53 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Well, I could give it a random IP address and *hope* that nothing else uses it... Seems like a silly approach, though. |
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| 12:26.25 | Arafangion | (And by the way, there is nothing actually connected to the interface in question - it's just an unfilled port) |
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| 12:27.02 | neoice | Arafangion: as far as I know, Linux doesnt have 'unplumb' |
| 12:27.20 | neoice | which would solve your problem probably. rmmod is my workaround :/ |
| 12:27.40 | Arafangion | neoice: I was afraid of that... Sounds like a serious shortcoming. |
| 12:27.56 | ukl | hello. Using gnome-shell, how can I achieve changing environment variables in a way gnome-shell knows about it? (for example: I want to change PATH and have Alt+F2 (the application launcher) know about this, so things in /usr/local/whatever/bin are found (as they are in my shell when using the proper export commands in ~/.bashrc) |
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| 12:28.02 | neoice | patch ifconfig and send it upstream :P |
| 12:28.10 | wwwAndy | is there a tool like CloneSpy for linux which finds files with same filename and approx. same filesize? (not MD5 compare) |
| 12:28.33 | flokuehn | Arafangion: why do you need an interface without ip? |
| 12:29.00 | Arafangion | flokuehn: I don't, but the crappy thing is soldered to the M/B and can't be removed. |
| 12:29.31 | liable | unload the module.. |
| 12:29.49 | Arafangion | I suppose I'll have to take that as the answer. |
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| 12:30.48 | flokuehn | Arafangion: ah, ok |
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| 12:34.48 | buckfast | babilen: memtest found got 1 error, think this might be causing these crashes? for some reason, w7 that is installed on another partition doesnt have these crashes |
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| 12:36.25 | danisahne | hi i use kvm with virtmanager |
| 12:36.25 | danisahne | i have a bridge called br0 with my eth0 dev attached |
| 12:36.25 | danisahne | in a howto there is said "In virt-manager, a "bridge" configuration is now selectable when creating a new VM" |
| 12:36.26 | danisahne | but there appears nothing |
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| 12:37.28 | antany | ciao |
| 12:37.32 | antany | !list |
| 12:37.32 | dpkg | antany: VATTENE VIA |
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| 12:38.00 | antany | dpkg: vai a cagare |
| 12:38.01 | dpkg | antany: are you using Windows? |
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| 12:38.17 | antany | no uso mac |
| 12:38.35 | danisahne | anybody answered? my virt-manager question? |
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| 12:38.59 | antany | e uso window con vmware fusion |
| 12:39.05 | Linux-IRC | Hi, can anyone give me the mirror for debian testing ? |
| 12:39.14 | Linux-IRC | I want to upgrade |
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| 12:39.31 | nkuttler | Linux-IRC: man 5 sources.list |
| 12:39.46 | RonIn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:40.48 | danisahne | here is what is in the virt manger howto http://pastebin.ca/1692398 but that dialog doesnt appear |
| 12:40.49 | Arafangion | RonIn_: You could find the .deb that you are after and install that explicitly? |
| 12:40.54 | Arafangion | RonIn_: And then apt-pin it. |
| 12:41.26 | Arafangion | RonIn_: You would likely have it in your apt cache. |
| 12:41.44 | RonIn_ | I've tried it... i didn't kept the archive... :S |
| 12:41.57 | Arafangion | RonIn_: Tough. :) Find it. :) |
| 12:42.12 | nkuttler | RonIn_: /msg dpkg snapshot, /msg dpkg hold |
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| 12:42.16 | RonIn_ | lol... |
| 12:42.25 | Arafangion | RonIn_: You really are expected to be able to do this if you run Unstable, I must confess. |
| 12:42.45 | RonIn_ | I'm running testing... |
| 12:42.47 | nkuttler | actually, i see snapshot is no more.. |
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| 12:43.16 | Arafangion | RonIn_: Ahh, well, testing is heaps better, that'll eventually become stable. :) |
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| 12:44.05 | danisahne | anybody has experience with virt-manager and bridged networking? |
| 12:44.42 | RonIn_ | yes... but until them I'll be without any connection ... that's why I'm looking for a way to get the NM ~0.7.0 |
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| 12:44.46 | Arafangion | danisahne: If you have to repeat, try to do so by giving more information that might interest people, or waiting more than just a few minutes. |
| 12:45.08 | Arafangion | RonIn_: Unless you use wifi, I recommend not using nm at all. |
| 12:45.16 | danisahne | i was kicked sry |
| 12:45.18 | danisahne | :) |
| 12:45.27 | Arafangion | danisahne: I wonder why? ;) |
| 12:45.34 | danisahne | me too |
| 12:45.40 | danisahne | ... .) |
| 12:46.05 | Arafangion | Oh, I see... You were kicked for essentially pressing enter too often. |
| 12:46.16 | Arafangion | And for typing insanely fast. |
| 12:46.27 | danisahne | np :) is do it sometimes |
| 12:46.30 | danisahne | i |
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| 12:48.03 | peleczek | hello |
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| 12:48.25 | danisahne | so i have a bridge br0 set up with eth0 attached i had it running with my old system (debian) so it has to work i did it in the console there but it has to work with virt manager too i am wrong? |
| 12:48.59 | Linux-IRC | Can anyone me give me complete sources.list for debian testing , i want to upgrade |
| 12:49.02 | Linux-IRC | ? |
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| 12:49.31 | generic_ | does iceweasle not have unicode support? |
| 12:49.44 | azeem_ | no |
| 12:49.57 | generic_ | Ok. now I NEED firefox |
| 12:50.16 | generic_ | how will I got about getting that? Is there a repo offering it somewhere? |
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| 12:50.55 | Arafangion | generic_: To be pedantic, there is no such thing as unicode. |
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| 12:51.26 | generic_ | Arafangion: what? |
| 12:51.29 | ehnvis | generic_: google for debian lenny and firefox and you will find an howto |
| 12:51.44 | Arafangion | generic_: Iceweasle does offer UTF-8 as an option, which it calls unicode, however, you shouldn't need to care unless the website is *broken* and does NOT tell the encoding that it should be interpreted as. |
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| 12:52.34 | generic_ | Arafangion: Well if all these websites are broken |
| 12:52.40 | azeem | generic_: eh, maybe you misparsed my answer |
| 12:52.52 | generic_ | the firefox is magical and can fix them? |
| 12:53.06 | Arafangion | generic_: Internet Explorer will attempt to use Heuristics to determine which character set it might be, but it sometimes gets it wrong. Firefox assumes that the encoding that the website says it is is the correct one. |
| 12:53.10 | Arafangion | (As it should) |
| 12:53.43 | Arafangion | generic_: Also, iceweasel are, for all practical purposes for most users, pretty much the same thing. |
| 12:53.52 | Linux-IRC | Hi, is this ok to upgrade from lenny to squeeze |
| 12:53.54 | Linux-IRC | ? |
| 12:53.55 | Linux-IRC | http://pastebin.com/m205e8eb3 |
| 12:53.59 | generic_ | W/e, I dont care for a lecture, dont hve time. Thank you ehnvis I found a nice tutorial. |
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| 12:54.19 | Arafangion | Hmph, well that was social. |
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| 12:55.23 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ....can i open youtube and stuff like MP3 and other MultiMedia formats in debian 5 ? |
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| 12:55.44 | Arafangion | cobra-the-joker: No, only if you use certain systems. |
| 12:56.13 | cobra-the-joker | Arafangion , certain systems ? |
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| 12:56.29 | Arafangion | cobra-the-joker: Because the flashplayer plugin is only available in binary format, and it's built only for certain systems. |
| 12:56.49 | Arafangion | cobra-the-joker: So, 32-bit intel should be fine, and certain 64-bit intel sytems should also be fine. |
| 12:57.08 | cobra-the-joker | what about the Media Formats ?? |
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| 12:57.30 | Arafangion | cobra-the-joker: Pretty much the same situaiton. |
| 12:57.40 | Arafangion | (Depending on the format) |
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| 12:58.14 | cobra-the-joker | isnt it the same Gstreamer packages ....ugly , bad , fmpeg ? |
| 12:58.15 | nkuttler | cobra-the-joker: if you have an intel/amd box, yes |
| 12:58.45 | Arafangion | I'm pretty sure you can't if you have an increasonly-common ARM box, though. |
| 12:58.59 | nkuttler | Arafangion: yeah, they are very common for desktops. |
| 12:59.04 | cobra-the-joker | nope ..just the ordinary intel desktop |
| 12:59.11 | RonIn_ | cobra-the-joker you might want take a look at the debian multimedia project: http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 12:59.23 | Arafangion | nkuttler: I've seen a few arm-based "eee-pc" like systems. |
| 12:59.37 | nkuttler | Arafangion: desktops? |
| 12:59.38 | cobra-the-joker | as actually i am making a move from fedora on my laptop as i heard about debians's stability and reliablity ...and i need that in my work |
| 12:59.52 | mercutio22 | I am confused. An intel dual core processor is of the class intel IA-64 or amd64? |
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| 13:00.14 | cobra-the-joker | lol |
| 13:00.15 | obcecado | mercutio22: amd64 |
| 13:00.15 | Arafangion | nkuttler: Laptops, larger than hand-held, smaller than most "ultra-portable" laptops. |
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| 13:00.59 | Arafangion | mercutio22: Intel initially went with the IA-64 route, then they followed AMD's lead and provided an alternate system that also runs 32-bit binaries, hence the confusing name. |
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| 13:01.38 | mercutio22 | I see... thanks |
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| 13:13.54 | generic_ | well, how do I get unicode in icewesel ? |
| 13:14.09 | generic_ | I just did the whole firefox thing, and same problem. |
| 13:14.20 | generic_ | Not showing unicode characters. |
| 13:14.28 | Arafangion | That's a different problem. |
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| 13:14.44 | Arafangion | That is likely because the fonts you are using don't have those particular characters in them. |
| 13:14.47 | generic_ | It the box with numbers in it |
| 13:14.57 | Arafangion | Then that is definetly the case. |
| 13:15.27 | generic_ | I have used this exact same font on other linux distros, does debian do theirs differently? |
| 13:15.45 | generic_ | Its a stock font too. |
| 13:16.19 | Arafangion | How do you know it's the exact same font? |
| 13:16.32 | generic_ | Nimbus Sans L |
| 13:16.38 | Arafangion | (It might be the same name, but a different font could well have been loaded if not found) |
| 13:16.53 | generic_ | Ive used it before, but apprently it is NOT the same font now that you mention it. |
| 13:17.03 | generic_ | Because if it were, it would most likely wokr. |
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| 13:17.37 | ehnvis | generic_: and your sure you have unicode support enabled on your system? |
| 13:17.50 | generic_ | ehnvis: I think so, how would I check? |
| 13:18.34 | Arafangion | Hmm, should check the locale. |
| 13:18.41 | ehnvis | generic_: locale |
| 13:18.42 | generic_ | where? |
| 13:18.55 | ehnvis | in a console/terminal window |
| 13:19.16 | generic_ | Would you mind telling my what to type iN? |
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| 13:19.34 | ehnvis | just the command: locale |
| 13:19.35 | generic_ | If I knew I wouldnt ask this qyestion. Or is there a text file some where? |
| 13:19.37 | ehnvis | nothing else |
| 13:19.57 | generic_ | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 13:20.10 | ehnvis | ok looks like you have the support. |
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| 13:20.12 | generic_ | LC_ALL= is empty though |
| 13:20.40 | generic_ | Well, I support it. But it is not working. |
| 13:20.47 | generic_ | Any ideas? |
| 13:21.20 | generic_ | This system was installed yesterday, so. I don't really know what could have gone wrong. |
| 13:21.52 | Arafangion | starts screaming about fonts - then falls asleep. |
| 13:22.02 | abrotman | what does the text represent ? |
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| 13:22.16 | generic_ | abrotman: Letters |
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| 13:22.26 | abrotman | in your language? |
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| 13:22.36 | jandro | Hi everyone. I have a problem with totem "streaming"/fetching video content from another computer of my LAN. It simply won't play or it will just display a frame each 20 seconds, and it's just a 300Mb file. Does anyone know what my problem could be? I'm not using any composite desktop or similar (just basic gnome desktop) and my LAN works perfectly for any other app. I'm using Debian Squeeze. thanks! |
| 13:22.55 | generic_ | Letters, But the would be japanese characters |
| 13:23.21 | Arafangion | Install Japanese fonts, then. |
| 13:23.41 | generic_ | Arafangion: Do you know how? |
| 13:23.49 | themill | You also have to tell iceweasel to actually use the font. |
| 13:24.21 | Arafangion | Well I'm off to bed. |
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| 13:25.02 | generic_ | themill: how do I do that? |
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| 13:26.10 | generic_ | Well I just installed xfonts-intl-japanese and that did not do it |
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| 13:27.12 | generic_ | Also I just added japanese as a language in firefox, still no luck |
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| 13:28.24 | azeem | xfonts doesn't sound like the right ones |
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| 13:31.04 | generic_ | Wow, this is a big problem actually. |
| 13:31.42 | generic_ | Well I can't use debian, I have to have proper unicode. |
| 13:32.43 | nkuttler | uh. does somebody in here run sympa for mailing lists? the package's docs look so outdated that i'm not sure i can trust the packaging.. |
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| 13:34.00 | TheJoe | So where "is" the icon on the GNOME menu bar? |
| 13:34.17 | generic_ | and i dont care to struggle for 5 hourse to fix this, it works out of the box on everu linux distro I have ever tried |
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| 13:34.45 | themill | generic_: in iceweasel, Edit -> Preferences -> Content -> Fonts & Colours. You will need to specify both the normal font and the encoding-specific font. |
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| 13:37.31 | rdz | how can i get a list of all threads started by a certain process? |
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| 13:45.30 | babilen | buckfast: It might be due to the memory errors. Does it still freeze with the new kernel? |
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| 13:46.52 | jackweb | Hello! How to change server used by aptitude to download *.debs? |
| 13:47.10 | jackweb | ah, sources.list |
| 13:47.14 | jackweb | how could I forget it! |
| 13:47.16 | jackweb | thanks |
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| 13:49.43 | HackeMate | hello, how can i add a program to a startup session? |
| 13:49.45 | HackeMate | i dont find the way |
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| 13:50.25 | HackeMate | hm adding it to bashrc? |
| 13:50.36 | abrotman | startup session for what? |
| 13:50.51 | WormFood | does pulse audio work right all the time for anyone? I can only get it to work for maybe a day or two before it quits working....driving me fuckin' crazy! |
| 13:50.53 | HackeMate | i want pidgin open itself when i log in my gnome session |
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| 13:51.21 | ehnvis | doesnt gnome has it own autostart feature on login? |
| 13:51.29 | HackeMate | where is it |
| 13:51.45 | ehnvis | sorry cant help as i use xmonad myself. |
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| 13:52.31 | HackeMate | oh i think i found it sysetm->session preferences |
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| 13:59.35 | babilen | buckfast: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Linux_Guide/Freezes#Alt.2BSysRq |
| 13:59.54 | holycow | squeeze is the next debian, correct? |
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| 14:00.03 | babilen | buckfast: have a look at sysrq crashdump and other debugging options |
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| 14:00.47 | liable | holycow: yeah |
| 14:00.53 | holycow | danke |
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| 14:06.13 | babilen | buckfast: You might also want to gather as much information as you can and post to debian-user .. but given the fact that memtest found errors it might really be a faulty RAM module |
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| 14:09.14 | WormFood | why the hell does pulse audio show me as having no hardware device outputs, but I clearly do (it works if I run a program that does not use pulse audio)....the dummy device in pulseaudio is working right |
| 14:09.43 | azeem | WormFood: what kernel module do you use? |
| 14:09.53 | WormFood | not sure |
| 14:09.56 | WormFood | you mean like oss? |
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| 14:10.05 | azeem | WormFood: lsmod | grep snd |
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| 14:10.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html#pools says apt-ftparchive can move packages into a correct repository struture. has someone done this? I can't find any examples on the net, and my experimentation is proving negaive |
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| 14:10.59 | WormFood | which one? there is a lot...don't want to flood the channel...want me to /msg it to you, or pastebin it? |
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| 14:11.07 | azeem | pastebin it |
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| 14:12.06 | WormFood | http://pastebin.com/d3313245c |
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| 14:12.52 | WormFood | maybe I need to reload my sound module...I *know* I have to do that on my laptop after it goes into suspend or hibernate mode |
| 14:13.49 | azeem | no idea, sorry |
| 14:14.20 | WormFood | yeah, I'm stumped too...thanks for the effort tho |
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| 14:15.19 | ilaiho | xfce does not show removable medias in lenny but pmount works well |
| 14:15.30 | ilaiho | what should i do |
| 14:16.01 | ilaiho | thunar-volman is installed |
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| 14:18.11 | ilaiho | if i try to launch thunar-volman from command line, it says 'thunar-volman: Must specify the new HAL device UDI with --device-added.' |
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| 14:20.35 | do0ob | !usplash |
| 14:20.46 | do0ob | hoping for a tip on how to install it ... |
| 14:21.09 | jpinx-eeepc | do0ob: aptitude install |
| 14:21.13 | abrotman | aptitude install usplash ? |
| 14:21.25 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions usplash |
| 14:21.27 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: usplash -- etch: 0.3e lenny: 0.5.19-3 sid: 0.5.19-3 squeeze: 0.5.19-3 |
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| 14:21.30 | jpinx-eeepc | g'morning abrotman |
| 14:21.52 | do0ob | but i have to configure it to use usplash |
| 14:22.01 | do0ob | i'm guessing it jumps into the initrd too |
| 14:22.12 | do0ob | and what about updating the scripts that run during the boot process |
| 14:22.15 | abrotman | do0ob: i really didn't have to do anything |
| 14:22.32 | do0ob | oh ok, i'll try it now |
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| 14:23.44 | do0ob | thanks |
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| 14:34.50 | xand | hmpf |
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| 14:35.20 | xand | installed lenny on a sun blade 100, with "Desktop" stuff, and instead of starting X, I just get a _ at the top left of hte screen :( |
| 14:35.28 | xand | can't even ctrl-alt-F1 to a tty |
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| 14:39.18 | TheJoe | GError: no element "lame" <--- What might cause this? |
| 14:39.23 | TheJoe | Trying to import a CD in exaile |
| 14:39.43 | azeem | TheJoe: lame is an MP3 encoder |
| 14:39.53 | azeem | due to patent issues, it cannot be shipped in Debian |
| 14:40.00 | azeem | you can find it in the debian-multimedia archive |
| 14:40.01 | azeem | !dmm |
| 14:40.02 | dpkg | i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 14:40.19 | TheJoe | azeem: Ah hah, thanks |
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| 14:41.00 | fly_ | how would i go about getting libssh2-php in Lenny (I know theres one for squeeze+ but is there an equivalent?) |
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| 14:41.31 | TheJoe | fly_: See if there's a backported version? |
| 14:41.56 | fly_ | tried no luck tho |
| 14:42.20 | TheJoe | Then I suppose you could build it yourself if you were desperate |
| 14:42.38 | TheJoe | Other than that, I wouldn't know |
| 14:42.44 | fly_ | hmm damn i was hoping to do it the easy way :x |
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| 14:47.54 | TheJoe | Hm strange, even with lame installed, the CD doesn't want to import |
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| 14:50.42 | KnuckOne | TheJoe: if the program uses gstreamer as backend, what you probably want is gstreamer0.10-lame |
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| 14:51.26 | TheJoe | KnuckOne: I'll try it |
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| 14:51.58 | TheJoe | Yaaaay |
| 14:52.01 | do0ob | splashy is ok, but i see a lot of text from when splasy drops and when xorg jumps in |
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| 14:52.10 | WormFood | azeem, I think I got it figured out... |
| 14:52.19 | TheJoe | Pink Floyd MP3s ^_^ |
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| 14:52.52 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 14:53.03 | WormFood | azeem, give me a shout when you're around, and I'll tell you what I found |
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| 14:57.43 | TheJoe | Nooo don't tell me Exaile doesn't do ID3 tags on imports |
| 14:58.21 | mercutio22 | nautilus crashes everytime I try to access the preferences menu here. I found a bug filed. Does it affect everyone using squeeze? |
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| 14:59.03 | azeem | WormFood: back |
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| 15:01.23 | montel|bed | good morning eberyone |
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| 15:02.07 | mdeonte | everyone* |
| 15:02.59 | mdeonte | How come on debian when I hold the backspace key it will just delete one letter/character. I have to press it rapid-fire to delete a lot of stuff |
| 15:03.14 | themill | mdeonte: in X or in console? |
| 15:03.27 | mdeonte | themill: both |
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| 15:03.49 | themill | mdeonte: in X, "xset r" will enable repeat. |
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| 15:04.12 | mdeonte | themill: do i just enter that in a shell? |
| 15:04.17 | TheJoe | Whoops! Forgot to remove the backported kerenel |
| 15:04.25 | themill | mdeonte: yes |
| 15:05.15 | mdeonte | themill: it worked. thanks. Will i have to do that when i login each time? |
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| 15:05.50 | themill | mdeonte: you can tell your desktop environment to do that automatically |
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| 15:13.47 | qwd | mercutio22: yes, are you annoyed by the new windows opened every time you open a folder? |
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| 15:14.53 | qwd | mercutio22: if so, go to applications -> system tools -> file browser and add it to the panel, use that one and it'll be alright :) Also if you're in the other kind without the menu to the side you can hold shift key and then it will open in the same window instead of a new one. |
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| 15:16.43 | mercutio22 | qwd: yes! thanks |
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| 15:19.09 | xand | how do I boot in single user mode from SILO's boot: prompt? |
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| 15:21.17 | abrotman | can't you hit stop-a and type in the boot params you want ? |
| 15:22.09 | xand | I don't have a sun keyboard |
| 15:22.18 | xand | but nevermind, it's "Linux single" |
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| 15:22.41 | xand | I don't know if ctrl-alt-F1/2/etc is meant to work on sparc to get a console but it doesn't :( |
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| 15:25.20 | doubleclick | i tried compiling 2.6.31.6 on lenny and it ended with this -- http://pastebin.com/ma083f0c |
| 15:25.46 | doubleclick | what did i do wrong? :) |
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| 15:28.44 | wahjava | doubleclick| missing headers ? linux-headers package ? |
| 15:29.00 | Inazad | someone's good into cisco routing ? |
| 15:29.01 | xispirito | i try to compile and got error too, zlib not found, but zlib is here |
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| 15:29.37 | Hexxeh | Hi |
| 15:29.56 | themill | xispirito: you probably want "zlib1g-dev". |
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| 15:30.04 | Hexxeh | I'm trying to install GNU parted, and I've ran apt-get install parted, but this only appeared to install libparted, how can I actually get the CLI utility? |
| 15:30.08 | xispirito | is here,,, |
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| 15:30.52 | jelly-home | Hexxeh: look at the contents of the package "parted". |
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| 15:31.49 | g00se | Hexxeh: aptitude install parted |
| 15:32.12 | Hexxeh | g00se: Nope, still command not found |
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| 15:32.32 | eloziomek | hi i have computer with intel xeon 2.8ghz, whoose arch debian version i must choose? |
| 15:32.45 | g00se | apt-get install aptitude |
| 15:33.09 | g00se | !tell Hexxeh why aptitude |
| 15:33.09 | Hexxeh | g00se: No sorry, the aptitude command ran, but I still can't run parted afterwards. |
| 15:33.13 | themill | xispirito: I can't guess what you're doing... you need to tell us exactly what you're doing and what the exact output is. Stick it all in a pastebin; /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:33.24 | themill | Hexxeh: it's /sbin/parted |
| 15:33.41 | Hexxeh | Ahh, thanks themill! |
| 15:33.53 | doubleclick | wahjava: it's installed.. |
| 15:34.06 | jelly-home | eloziomek: if you don't know better, i386 |
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| 15:34.29 | xand | !disable gdm |
| 15:34.30 | xispirito | themill: thanks, but i try it later, it's take a very long time |
| 15:34.33 | mdeonte | !lirc |
| 15:34.34 | dpkg | [lirc] Linux Infrared Remote Control. It is a package providing the ability to send and receive infrared signals. http://lirc.org/faq.html #lirc on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:34.46 | themill | dpkg: tell xand about nodm |
| 15:35.29 | xand | I don't want none, I want gdm to work :( |
| 15:35.33 | xand | hm |
| 15:35.51 | xand | X currently doesn't start and seems to stop sshd from responding o.O |
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| 15:36.23 | eloziomek | jelly-home: i found my processor is I1586 CPU, which arch version i must choose? |
| 15:36.49 | eloziomek | jelly-home: is still i386? |
| 15:36.54 | xand | or something else that doesn't run in single user mode |
| 15:37.02 | wahjava | doubleclick| it seems you need libc6-dev from squeeze or sid, http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/i386/libc6-dev/filelist |
| 15:37.35 | MayaT | hello :) |
| 15:37.41 | wahjava | hi MayaT |
| 15:38.34 | MayaT | wahjava, hye.. can u help me |
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| 15:38.46 | wahjava | not sure :-) |
| 15:38.51 | MayaT | i still cant connect to the internet with USB modem vodafone HSDPA/3G/GPRS... help me pls.. :) |
| 15:39.03 | doubleclick | wahjava: oh, i see, tnx :) |
| 15:39.11 | wahjava | you're welcome doubleclick :) |
| 15:39.15 | jpinx-eeepc | MayaT: is it a winmodem? |
| 15:39.21 | wahjava | MayaT| no experience with USB modems, sorry. |
| 15:39.31 | jimboo | MayaT, is it a 3g modem ? |
| 15:39.43 | MayaT | wahjava, ok no problem.. any1 else |
| 15:40.04 | xispirito | good, the error is short, is it: sys/eventfd.h not found , zlib.h not found |
| 15:40.08 | xand | argh |
| 15:40.20 | abrotman | xispirito: install something like libzlib-dev .. |
| 15:40.27 | xispirito | ok... |
| 15:40.28 | MayaT | jimboo, yes 3G/HSDPA/GPRS.. (broadband) |
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| 15:40.43 | jimboo | i use wvdial want my wvdial script ? |
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| 15:41.10 | xand | silly system has no ttys |
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| 15:41.52 | jpinx-eeepc | jimboo: yes ;) |
| 15:42.26 | jpinx-eeepc | jimboo: I guess vodophone usb sticks will be the same worldwide? |
| 15:42.46 | jimboo | im not im from uk |
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| 15:43.02 | jimboo | im not sure |
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| 15:43.40 | netmosnter | Hi, I want to make proftpd virtual host so every one can access it withowt user name or password |
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| 15:44.03 | jpinx-eeepc | jimboo: it'd be worth a shot - I travel a lot and that would be an option for connecting with something lightweight like irssi |
| 15:44.03 | netmosnter | http://pastebin.com/d493e0130 this is sample configuration I made |
| 15:44.04 | RonIn_ | there isn't a digest option in the debian mailing list ??? really ? |
| 15:44.11 | netmosnter | but it still requires username |
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| 15:44.49 | jimboo | http://pastebin.com/m28e5651b thats my script jpinx-eeepc |
| 15:44.49 | TheJoe | I hate alacarte so much |
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| 15:45.35 | a_l_e | """ |
| 15:45.42 | a_l_e | $ export LC_ALL=it_IT |
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| 15:45.51 | xand | hm, I'm guessing my video driver is broken if "startx" kills the system :| |
| 15:45.53 | a_l_e | bash: warning: setlocale: LC_ALL: cannot change locale (it_IT) |
| 15:45.56 | a_l_e | """ |
| 15:45.58 | a_l_e | anyidea? |
| 15:46.11 | jpinx-eeepc | jimboo: thanks - I'll de-personalise it and make it available with notes on how to make it work in various places |
| 15:46.30 | jelly-home | a_l_e: /msg dpkg locales |
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| 15:47.16 | jimboo | ok np |
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| 15:47.36 | xispirito | libzcore-dev... |
| 15:47.47 | a_l_e | jelly-home: ok, i've read what dpkg says... it means that i can't set the locale for one single terminal any more? |
| 15:48.09 | jelly-home | a_l_e: sure you can, but it has to exist first |
| 15:48.27 | a_l_e | ah |
| 15:48.35 | a_l_e | i reread what dpkg says |
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| 15:50.18 | RonIn_ | there isn't a digest option in the debian mailing list ??? really ? |
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| 15:51.15 | abrotman | RonIn_: repeating probably won't help |
| 15:52.22 | RonIn_ | sorry I thought no one saw it I was just asking |
| 15:52.30 | RonIn_ | my bad... |
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| 15:52.50 | a_l_e | jelly-home: and now? http://pastebin.ch/4758 |
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| 15:54.08 | a_l_e | i still get the same error message :-( |
| 15:54.17 | a_l_e | argh! |
| 15:54.23 | a_l_e | i forgot it_IT :-( |
| 15:54.58 | TheJoe | Thunderbird was compiling for the last hour, and it throws up an error :( |
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| 15:55.12 | a_l_e | no i didn't forget: it's there |
| 15:55.17 | mdeonte | on lirc it says that i have to select a serial, parallel, etc. driver |
| 15:55.25 | mdeonte | which one do i use? |
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| 15:55.38 | a_l_e | ... what am i suppsed to do to, in order to change locale to it_IT, then? |
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| 15:56.29 | a_l_e | i'm supposed to close and reopen the terminal... at least i don't have to reboot the computer :-) |
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| 16:00.02 | do0ob | ok something is up with my terminal, its slow, its at 1680x1050, but dmesg takes over 10 seconds to print on the screen |
| 16:00.15 | darkblue_B | hi - I dont often use bittorrent, but I do occassionally.. I was reading an article this morning about DHT and PEX and such.. the article mentions some clients, including Transmission 1.76 that seamlessly use this... So I look at my new debian 5 machine, and Transmission is there, at v1.2x . ok, I go to synaptoc to remove it, and synaptic says pkgs to be uninstalled - Gnome ?!?! thats crazy |
| 16:00.33 | Supermiguel | if i change my sources.list from stable to testing.. will that be the same as installing testing??? |
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| 16:00.51 | darkblue_B | in specific, what to do, but this brings up a side of the pkg mgr I want to have some way to deal with |
| 16:00.52 | do0ob | Supermiguel: pretty much |
| 16:00.53 | maligor | do0ob, using vesafb? |
| 16:00.54 | cobra-the-joker | hey there guys ....i just installed debian ....and i also installed Debian-multimedia repositry ( added to /etc/apt/sources.list ) ...but i cant find the applications ( like konversation ) |
| 16:00.59 | do0ob | maligor: nope |
| 16:01.12 | themill | Supermiguel: if you have to ask, then you probably don't know enough about apt to fix the problems that you will experience when using testing... stick with stable until you do. |
| 16:01.13 | rgr | TheJoe: why would you compile Thunderbird? Are you looking for CVS version for some reason? |
| 16:01.16 | do0ob | maligor: but what is the method to get it to work when using grub2? |
| 16:01.22 | markybob | darkblue_B, that's just a metapackage that installs other things. removing that will not remove gnome itself |
| 16:01.35 | maligor | do0ob, get what to work? |
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| 16:01.53 | TheJoe | rgr: I'm not into the trademark controversy thing |
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| 16:02.09 | darkblue_B | markybob how can I learn more about that - thats highly counterintuitive |
| 16:02.09 | do0ob | maligor: the vesafb option, is it video= because vga= was for old grub, it changed |
| 16:02.15 | rgr | Supermiguel: pretty much. I moved from stable to testing by doing that. Worked fine. Stable was too behind the times :-; |
| 16:02.26 | cobra-the-joker | hey there guys ....i just installed debian ....and i also installed Debian-multimedia repositry ( added to /etc/apt/sources.list ) ...but i cant find the applications ( like konversation ) |
| 16:02.30 | markybob | darkblue_B, experience :P hang in here and read |
| 16:02.39 | rgr | TheJoe: me neither but they are pretty identical. |
| 16:02.39 | mdeonte | is there an efficient way to upgrade to sid? |
| 16:02.40 | darkblue_B | read what? |
| 16:02.42 | Supermiguel | rgr, agree |
| 16:02.45 | maligor | do0ob, those are linux kernel options, grub versions won't change them |
| 16:03.00 | TheJoe | rgr: I compiled Firefox yesterday anyway |
| 16:03.03 | markybob | darkblue_B, people's discussions. you can learn a lot by watching others help people |
| 16:03.03 | TheJoe | May as well carry on |
| 16:03.11 | abrotman | Supermiguel: please don't use 'stable' and 'testing' .. use the codenames |
| 16:03.34 | themill | dpkg, versionsmite rgr |
| 16:03.35 | dpkg | upgrades rgr to uber-l33t version 42.1 without noticing the critical bug that this introduces. (Ask me about <version chasing>) |
| 16:03.56 | maligor | mdeonte, change the package sources |
| 16:04.04 | abrotman | maligor: please don't |
| 16:04.13 | abrotman | mdeonte: do not do that .. it will break and you'll be on your own to fix it |
| 16:04.19 | mdeonte | Okay |
| 16:04.27 | rgr | I know about that well enough. that doesnt change the fact that stable is often too far behind for som people even with the excellent backport contributions. |
| 16:04.57 | abrotman | he still didn't get it ... |
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| 16:05.21 | maligor | rgr, too far behind for what? |
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| 16:05.27 | xand | !sparc |
| 16:05.27 | zinx | for reading new DVDs |
| 16:05.28 | dpkg | [sparc] the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded systems usually run Solaris. For more information about SPARC, see http://www.sparc.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SPARC . To install Debian, ask me about <install guide> and see http://wiki.debian.org/PortsSparc . For help with Debian on SPARC, join #debian-sparc on irc.oftc.net. |
| 16:05.43 | themill | rgr: yeah, and then they come in here saying "some guy told me to upgrade to testing and now foo doesn't work fix it for me fuxxors! and hurry up with it!!!1!"... |
| 16:05.46 | zinx | libdvdread3 can't read through some of the new copy prevention schemes, libdvdread4 can! :P |
| 16:05.47 | abrotman | gives xand a /msg |
| 16:05.57 | xand | gives abrotman a frown |
| 16:06.07 | abrotman | xand: it's a sneer! |
| 16:06.08 | rgr | maligor: if you have to ask that then there's not much point me answering it. Hint : newer versions are newer versions for a reason. |
| 16:06.18 | rgr | themill: thats why help group exists. *shrug*. |
| 16:06.25 | abrotman | not that you'd be here to help |
| 16:06.30 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... i have a problem here ...i cant find my applications |
| 16:06.39 | cobra-the-joker | install * |
| 16:06.40 | fly_ | ugh, accidently selected chainlod on the installation of grub2 how can i revert it |
| 16:06.46 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: need more details |
| 16:06.54 | maligor | rgr, yes, they have bigger version numbers most often |
| 16:06.58 | abrotman | fly_: upgrade-from-legacy-grub or something like that |
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| 16:07.02 | themill | rgr: making work for ourselves isn't really the idea. Someone who doesn't know which end of the mouse to hold shouldn't be using testing. |
| 16:07.04 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman ....i just installed debian ....and i also installed Debian-multimedia repositry ( added to /etc/apt/sources.list ) ...but i cant find the applications ( like konversation ) |
| 16:07.17 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 16:07.31 | abrotman | fly_: upgrade-from-grub-legacy |
| 16:07.59 | fly_ | anything special i've got to do? |
| 16:08.14 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman --> http://www.fpaste.org/GSYm/ |
| 16:08.15 | abrotman | fly_: i don't believe so |
| 16:08.17 | fly_ | i think my colo techs are getting annoyed lol |
| 16:09.09 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: where are you geographically ? |
| 16:09.17 | cobra-the-joker | i am in egypt :D |
| 16:09.43 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: moment |
| 16:09.48 | cobra-the-joker | okay |
| 16:10.46 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: add "deb http://ftp.linux.org.tr/debian/ lenny main" to your sources.list |
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| 16:11.16 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , delete the other multimedia ? |
| 16:11.34 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: no, leave it there |
| 16:11.51 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
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| 16:12.34 | cobra-the-joker | doing a aptitude update |
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| 16:14.34 | TheJoe | Is there an alternative to alacarte at all? |
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| 16:14.35 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , okay ....found konversation :D |
| 16:14.52 | abrotman | good job! |
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| 16:16.45 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , i am missing some Gnome Components ....is there is a PackageGroup for gnome ? |
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| 16:17.28 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: aptitude install gnome ? |
| 16:17.52 | cobra-the-joker | oh ok |
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| 16:18.29 | cobra-the-joker | i am prerty much new in debian ...have been using Fedora for 2 years now |
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| 16:18.58 | abrotman | haven't you been in here for a few months ? |
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| 16:19.05 | person | Hey |
| 16:19.21 | person | Why does dselect try to install sun's java yet aptitude doesn't? |
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| 16:19.50 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , its been a very long time since my last debian encounter :D |
| 16:19.52 | nkuttler_ | person: they handle recommends etc differently |
| 16:20.06 | person | Ah |
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| 16:20.18 | cobra-the-joker | but yes .... i used debian beofre |
| 16:20.49 | TheJoe | strangles whoever wrote alacarte |
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| 16:21.06 | tomodachi | TheJoe: its called resierfs whoever wrote alacarte |
| 16:21.53 | mdeonte | what is the dpkg command to force version? |
| 16:21.56 | andylife | ciao |
| 16:22.07 | abrotman | mdeonte: wait .. you shouldn't be doing that |
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| 16:22.36 | TheJoe | Seriously there has to be a better way to edit the menu |
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| 16:22.38 | mdeonte | abrotman: I added Ubuntu sources to my list and i upgraded a package and now i need to downgrade it to install other stuff |
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| 16:23.19 | abrotman | mdeonte: NO NO NO |
| 16:23.21 | abrotman | wtf |
| 16:23.24 | abrotman | WHY GOD WHY? |
| 16:23.42 | TheJoe | Yeah you don't add Ubuntu repos. If you need that, use Ubuntu. |
| 16:23.45 | mdeonte | I wasnt thinking |
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| 16:24.04 | mdeonte | abrotman: how can i fix this? |
| 16:24.05 | themill | abrotman: perhaps #ubuntu would like to help mdeonte's frankenbuntu now. It's based on ubuntu after all.... :) |
| 16:24.18 | liable | yeah |
| 16:24.18 | cobra-the-joker | you cant :D |
| 16:24.22 | TheJoe | mdeonte: http://ubuntu.com/getubuntu |
| 16:24.22 | liable | right |
| 16:24.27 | abrotman | mdeonte: honestly .. it would be easier to reinstall then to try to fix what you've done |
| 16:24.33 | TheJoe | mdeonte: Download that, burn it to a CD and install it over Debian |
| 16:24.46 | abrotman | mdeonte: aptitude can try to do it .. but that's the best you can hope for |
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| 16:24.52 | abrotman | TheJoe: do you need Debian help? |
| 16:25.03 | TheJoe | abrotman: At the moment, no |
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| 16:26.34 | liable | mdeonte: as a learning experience, and so you don't do such a silly thing again, go google how to downgrade said package and have fun doing so |
| 16:26.34 | jpinx-eeepc | mdeonte: you were told exactly how to do your sources yesterdayc |
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| 16:26.49 | liable | yes, he definately has sns |
| 16:26.54 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 16:26.58 | themill | dpkg: tell mdeonte about partial downgrade |
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| 16:27.53 | mdeonte | when i downgrade it wants to rm some packages |
| 16:28.02 | mdeonte | i guess i could just reinstall them.. |
| 16:28.09 | liable | so learn how to deal with that |
| 16:28.25 | liable | you are being punished for your foolishness |
| 16:28.33 | jpinx-eeepc | mdeonte: your system is borked anyway - so just purge that :) |
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| 16:29.08 | cobra-the-joker | going to konversation |
| 16:29.17 | mdeonte | is determined to get this right |
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| 16:32.13 | JyZyXEL | what are the processes enclosed in [] |
| 16:33.05 | MayaT | :) |
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| 16:33.21 | JyZyXEL | no don't just smile |
| 16:34.15 | MayaT | JyZyXEL, i still cant connect to the internet with USB modem vodafone HSDPA/3G/GPRS... help me pls.. :) |
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| 16:35.46 | mdeonte | !desktop |
| 16:35.47 | dpkg | from memory, desktop is see http://xwinman.org/ |
| 16:35.58 | mdeonte | what is the gnome-desktop package? |
| 16:36.01 | liable | JyZyXEL: kernel proccesses |
| 16:36.11 | mdeonte | aw frick my system is effed |
| 16:36.15 | mdeonte | RAHH |
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| 16:36.30 | JyZyXEL | what does that mean? |
| 16:36.54 | JyZyXEL | /J #kernel ? |
| 16:37.16 | Supermiguel | when i install debian testing i loose usb capabilities.. either upgrading from stable or using the install cd.. any ideas?? |
| 16:37.40 | abrotman | mdeonte: please msg the bot |
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| 16:37.50 | TheJoe | mdeonte: Don't mix repositories in future |
| 16:38.25 | mdeonte | should i just reinstall? |
| 16:38.36 | abrotman | mdeonte: that's up to you |
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| 16:38.53 | mdeonte | abrotman: what do you reccomend |
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| 16:39.04 | TheJoe | mdeonte: It might be easier. But I don't know what the more knowledgeable might suggest |
| 16:39.15 | jpinx-eeepc | mdeonte: learn from your mess |
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| 16:39.34 | mdeonte | this all started when i wanted to run lirc... |
| 16:39.38 | jpinx-eeepc | mdeonte: you have been at this for days and have learned little |
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| 16:39.58 | abrotman | mdeonte: 1) LIRC is in Debian 2) only you can decide, but it would probably be better for you to reinstall |
| 16:40.37 | mdeonte | abrotman: Yes, but it is outdated and only 0.8.6 will work with my remote |
| 16:40.59 | abrotman | mdeonte: so ask how to do it properly .. don't just run around doing random things |
| 16:41.01 | mdeonte | is it bad to install source code that is a higher version than the installed package? |
| 16:41.26 | abrotman | it's bad to mix different distros |
| 16:41.38 | mdeonte | abrotman: i learned that |
| 16:41.43 | mdeonte | but what about source |
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| 16:42.05 | abrotman | mdeonte: ask us when your system is working correctly again |
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| 16:43.09 | nsadmin | and we'll tell you 2:00 PM |
| 16:43.19 | mdeonte | nsadmin: ? |
| 16:43.36 | nsadmin | nm, joke |
| 16:43.47 | mdeonte | oh.. i didnt get it |
| 16:43.57 | nsadmin | again, nm |
| 16:43.58 | mdeonte | I think i am just going to reinstall :X |
| 16:44.01 | nsadmin | :) |
| 16:44.06 | mdeonte | abrotman: how unstable is sid |
| 16:44.15 | nsadmin | it varies. |
| 16:44.17 | nsadmin | WIDELY. |
| 16:44.26 | do0ob | hi all |
| 16:44.30 | mdeonte | ? |
| 16:44.45 | do0ob | does anyone see this in their dmesg when trying to use ywrap?: vesafb: scrolling: redraw |
| 16:44.50 | abrotman | mdeonte: DO NOT USE IT |
| 16:44.55 | nsadmin | that means it changes |
| 16:44.58 | abrotman | jesus .. didn't we already cover that ? |
| 16:45.14 | abrotman | mdeonte: if you keep fucking up your system, people here will get bored and stop helping you fix it |
| 16:45.41 | mdeonte | abrotman: no.. it was installing packages from sid, changing the sources.list |
| 16:45.52 | nsadmin | and if you run sid, they will automatically be bored before you even ask any questions... |
| 16:46.01 | nsadmin | and not help you fix it |
| 16:46.04 | cobra-the-joker | how can i update my overall system any way ? |
| 16:46.21 | mdeonte | cobra-the-joker: change sources. dist upgrade |
| 16:46.23 | abrotman | mdeonte: see above .. stop breaking your shit .. |
| 16:46.24 | nsadmin | what do you run now jobra |
| 16:46.25 | mdeonte | !upgrade |
| 16:46.26 | dpkg | hmm... upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. Ask me about <security>. If you upgrade to a new stable version, read the release notes first. Ask me about <sarge->etch> <etch->lenny> <lenny->squeeze>. |
| 16:46.36 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: update to what? |
| 16:46.54 | mdeonte | !tell cobra-the-joker about upgrade |
| 16:47.17 | abrotman | mdeonte: uhm .. he didn't even ask that |
| 16:47.31 | mdeonte | abrotman: upgrade overall system? |
| 16:47.31 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , keep my system uptodate ..... or even upgrade to 5.0.3 ( i have 5.0.1 |
| 16:47.40 | abrotman | mdeonte: update, not upgrade |
| 16:47.42 | nsadmin | oh, ok |
| 16:47.46 | JyZyXEL | liable: you liar |
| 16:47.53 | mdeonte | abrotman: Ohhhh, my bad. |
| 16:47.54 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: you don't do anything .. you're up to date if you have regular sources in your system |
| 16:48.11 | cobra-the-joker | ok |
| 16:48.14 | mdeonte | alright. im going to reinstall. bbl |
| 16:48.26 | themill | hopes JyZyXEL has something positive to add to the discussion |
| 16:48.34 | jpinx-eeepc | mdeonte: for goodness sake install lenny and take it from there |
| 16:48.39 | cobra-the-joker | and the system now is freakin' fast :D |
| 16:48.53 | nsadmin | so that's good, right? |
| 16:48.58 | JyZyXEL | themill: he told me that processes that have their name inclosed in [] are kernel level processes |
| 16:49.02 | cobra-the-joker | yeah ...very good |
| 16:49.23 | JyZyXEL | i asked the ##kernel and they told me its just a process that was called without any argv |
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| 16:49.32 | cobra-the-joker | i just install some gstreamer plugins and the OpenOffice ..and i will be ready to go :D |
| 16:49.49 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL: and typically, what processes are those? |
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| 16:50.01 | JyZyXEL | like [loop?] |
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| 16:51.25 | hikenboot | hello i am going to be a little redundant here cause i am hoping for a different answer. Is there a way in a chroot to (host running powerpc while chroot running x86-32) to execute the chroot when there is a mix of arch's everything i read seems to indicate it must be possible |
| 16:51.54 | hikenboot | I am running into a problem running the binaries for bash |
| 16:52.41 | nsadmin | cobra-the-joker: you're -probably- good... what you're asking about is upgrading the lenny you have now (perhaps from when you installed?) to the latest point release of lenny |
| 16:53.10 | MayaT | hello i am new on debian-linux, my problem is i still cant connect to the internet with USB modem vodafone HSDPA / 3G / GPRS... help me pls.. :) |
| 16:53.35 | jpinx-eeepc | MayaT: did you not try the script for wvdial that was posted here? |
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| 16:54.12 | thrashold | j #digikam |
| 16:54.25 | nsadmin | hikenboot: you won't be able to run it, but you can debootstrap onto a (mounted) separate drive and then put that drive into a machine where it can run (maybe you will run into boot loader install issues you'd have to resolve) |
| 16:54.27 | markybob | MayaT, https://forge.betavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/ |
| 16:54.52 | MayaT | markybob, ok i try read there.... |
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| 16:56.27 | ehnvis | MayaT: read up on wvdial, should be all you need. |
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| 16:56.30 | haqe17_ | Hi, my computer is producing a soft buzzing sound on the sound output, even when no music is playing. It could just be lots of noise from the mobo, but it didnt do this before. what can I do? |
| 16:56.50 | MayaT | ehnvis, where? |
| 16:57.03 | jpinx-eeepc | haqe17_: check your earthing |
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| 16:57.07 | MayaT | jpinx-eeepc, not yet.. how? |
| 16:57.21 | hikenboot | nsadmin, would it be possible to use qemu to run x86 32 bit binaries and have it use the xwindows on the host system I am trying to get flash working so flash games would work on the powerpc..the other problem is i dont have a lot of ram to emulate a whole gui system, I was told about nspluginwrapper |
| 16:57.26 | haqe17_ | jpinx-eeepc: how? |
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| 16:57.50 | ehnvis | MayaT: google or debian wiki? |
| 16:57.51 | nsadmin | hikenboot: what cpu on that machine? |
| 16:57.55 | cusco | hi |
| 16:58.00 | cusco | Im trying to set up exim |
| 16:58.07 | hikenboot | the machine is a G4 with powerpc |
| 16:58.09 | babilen | haqe17_: Could it be that your microphone is not muted? |
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| 16:58.21 | cusco | I commented out the line that reads av_scanner clamav.sock |
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| 16:58.26 | karmatronic | hi guys |
| 16:58.30 | cusco | now it complains about /var/run/sophie |
| 16:58.31 | karmatronic | long time no see |
| 16:58.38 | cusco | but I can't find it in any conf |
| 16:58.46 | nsadmin | so I don't understand how you could run intel binaries on that system unless you run an intel cpu emulator |
| 16:58.49 | cusco | why does it try to go there |
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| 16:59.08 | nsadmin | what's sophie? |
| 16:59.20 | jpinx-eeepc | MayaT: http://pastebin.com/m28e5651b |
| 16:59.27 | cusco | according to google, exim looks for it as an email scanner |
| 16:59.42 | nsadmin | oh ok |
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| 16:59.46 | nsadmin | just curious |
| 16:59.46 | MayaT | ehnvis, give me the specific http ok... i'm tired of searching :( |
| 16:59.51 | hikenboot | nsadmin what i am saying is it possible to run the binaries without emulating the whole entire gui based system by utilizing x on the host? |
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| 16:59.54 | cusco | but it is not in any conf file |
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| 17:00.14 | MayaT | jpinx-eeepc, ok big thanks bro :) |
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| 17:00.33 | haqe17 | nope, microphone is muted |
| 17:00.53 | nsadmin | cusco: if you don't find out here, another source of info is #exim |
| 17:01.00 | weboh | which debian dvd has texlive and TeX editors on it? |
| 17:01.08 | ehnvis | MayaT: bah! start here http://wiki.debian.org/Wvdial |
| 17:01.19 | karmatronic | weboh: cant use the net to install? |
| 17:01.23 | cusco | yea, im there already |
| 17:01.51 | MayaT | ehnvis, hahaha... thnks bro.. i go there now... :) |
| 17:02.00 | nsadmin | weboh: no idea... do you have debian installed now? |
| 17:02.03 | haqe17 | actually I think it must be a hardware issue because the sound comes and goes when moving the box |
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| 17:02.20 | weboh | karmatronic: I have to remove Fedora first |
| 17:02.23 | nsadmin | while it's not hard to find out, you don't need to download all that |
| 17:02.58 | hikenboot | thanks nsadmin |
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| 17:03.49 | nsadmin | weboh do you have stuff on your fedora you want saved? |
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| 17:04.14 | nsadmin | (you -really- want to wipe and install debian?) |
| 17:04.51 | nsadmin | the grass may be browner on this side of the fence :) |
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| 17:07.17 | weboh | I have tried ubuntu. It was Okay. Fedora has poor TeX support-- tis weird. Mandriva is just broken. And Debian seems to run everything. |
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| 17:08.06 | nsadmin | weboh: just so you know... you -could- build what you want on any dist that has a compiler |
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| 17:08.53 | weboh | true, but then that means busting Fedora. I am not interested in half working distros. |
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| 17:09.29 | nsadmin | so my earlier question still stands: do you have stuff on your fedora (such as your home dir) you want to save? |
| 17:10.13 | weboh | If I go to root in fedora, I am encouraged not to install 64-bit nvidia display drivers. It's messed up. |
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| 17:10.51 | nsadmin | also, is it possible for you to back up your whole fedora install so that you could completely restore it should you find debian is not what you're looking for? |
| 17:11.26 | nsadmin | if so, I think you should do that. |
| 17:11.28 | weboh | nsadmin: I am not interested in saving the original linux programs. I have few test TeX files. |
| 17:11.37 | abrotman | !tell weboh about cd contents |
| 17:11.57 | nsadmin | oh, and nothing else in your home dir? |
| 17:12.26 | weboh | I need to move the fourth episode of V to ntfs. |
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| 17:12.43 | abrotman | not worth it .. just delete it |
| 17:12.56 | weboh | that bad eh? |
| 17:13.14 | weboh | I am collecting them for March. |
| 17:13.30 | nsadmin | who's March? |
| 17:13.36 | abrotman | the month |
| 17:13.42 | nsadmin | oh/// |
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| 17:14.38 | nsadmin | well in any case if you want it, move it on over and probably you're good to go... |
| 17:14.41 | acu | if I am in aptitude how can I upgrade |
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| 17:14.54 | nsadmin | perhaps you could pastebin output of lspci -nn |
| 17:15.08 | nsadmin | we could figure out if your hw is supported |
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| 17:15.42 | weboh | nvidia geoforce 8800gt |
| 17:15.59 | nsadmin | and your net card and your disk controller? |
| 17:16.05 | weboh | amd64 dual core x2 |
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| 17:16.27 | hark | acu: ? for help |
| 17:16.34 | nsadmin | and you want the amd64 arch? |
| 17:16.43 | weboh | some nvidia ethernet built in ?? |
| 17:16.50 | markybob | dude, just do lspci -nnlike he said |
| 17:16.56 | markybob | -n* |
| 17:16.56 | nsadmin | lspci -nn would help |
| 17:16.57 | weboh | yah, the amd64 architecture. |
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| 17:17.34 | sepult | i don't get it, why is mountkernfs not enabled by default ? |
| 17:17.40 | nsadmin | ok... while you're at it, you might as well start moving the episode across |
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| 17:18.36 | weboh | The ep is alread copied to windows. |
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| 17:18.54 | acu | hark in aptitude upgrade is update - if I do apt-get update then apt-get upgrade - the job is done - but I wanted to do the same with aptitude |
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| 17:19.28 | hark | acu: upgrade is upgrade in aptitude as well |
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| 17:22.35 | nsadmin | weboh: you still have the option of pastebinning the output of lspci -nn... or not |
| 17:22.52 | hark | acu: you can either do it like apt-get from the cli or go for the gtk/ncurses interface. |
| 17:23.19 | nsadmin | reason i'm harping, is it might be useful to you to know if the installation kernel will find your net card and disk controller |
| 17:23.34 | nsadmin | and if not how to continue |
| 17:24.37 | nsadmin | another option you have open to you is to install debian on a small spare partition and boot into it |
| 17:24.59 | jpinx-eeepc | acu: safe-upgrade -- man aptitude ;) |
| 17:25.01 | nsadmin | then wipe your fedora partitions after |
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| 17:25.57 | nsadmin | if I were you I'd ghost your windows storage |
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| 17:26.45 | acu | thanks hark and jpinx - I wanted to use the gui of aptitude - as I said apt-get update apt-get upgrade works fine |
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| 17:29.38 | nsadmin | weboh, other than making sure you're fully backed up, you're all set |
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| 17:30.01 | nsadmin | I'd recommend you read the release notes |
| 17:30.15 | weboh | nsadmin: I am a bit worried about using jigdo from windows. |
| 17:30.29 | nsadmin | you know, you don't need to |
| 17:30.37 | nsadmin | just do a netinst |
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| 17:30.53 | weboh | I can't get the dependencies to work in my 64-bit fedora core. |
| 17:31.05 | do0ob | hi |
| 17:31.06 | nsadmin | of what? jigdo? |
| 17:31.16 | do0ob | i can't get ywrap to work on the terminal, can someone help me to get it working |
| 17:31.19 | do0ob | scrolling is slow |
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| 17:31.44 | do0ob | it always shows: vesafb: scrolling: redraw |
| 17:31.49 | do0ob | thats in dmesg |
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| 17:31.59 | nsadmin | see... that's why I was asking about your net card... if the debian-installer kernel sees your net card and can properly set it up, you don't need to download a dvd image |
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| 17:33.15 | weboh | and compiling packages to linux is a pain in the ass. :) |
| 17:33.27 | do0ob | not in debian |
| 17:33.52 | nsadmin | so you don't like compiling... that's not a bad thing |
| 17:33.55 | weboh | not when using a package manager, true. |
| 17:34.27 | do0ob | weboh: no i mean you can apt-get source and then compile stuff |
| 17:34.34 | nsadmin | the netinst won't (normally) require you to compile |
| 17:34.47 | nsadmin | debian is a binary dist |
| 17:35.23 | nsadmin | all in all, the result should be -identical- if the machine is to be on the net |
| 17:35.29 | weboh | Debian seems to be a very well rounded distro. |
| 17:35.56 | jpinx-eeepc | not to say fat;) |
| 17:36.20 | nsadmin | the netinst cd is 150 mb, and includes just enough debian to install more packages (and fix core issues like booting, disk partitions, etc) |
| 17:36.44 | nsadmin | after that, you just install anything you want, and it automatically pulls it off the net |
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| 17:37.53 | weboh | That souds like the best. Do I need a normal CD or will the iso be the same on a DVD? |
| 17:38.17 | nsadmin | hmm, do you have cd blanks? shame to waste a dvd blank |
| 17:38.36 | nsadmin | aside from that, I don't know the answer to your question |
| 17:38.44 | weboh | I have plenty of DVD blanks, and they are cheapo in the states. |
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| 17:39.01 | nsadmin | well you could try it |
| 17:39.07 | weboh | I will |
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| 17:39.31 | mdeonte | Okay, i reinstalled. |
| 17:39.32 | nsadmin | hopefully an iso is an iso |
| 17:39.41 | mdeonte | abrotman, can you tell me about the source code now? |
| 17:39.42 | jpinx-eeepc | weboh: you can use a usb stick if your hardware will boot frim it |
| 17:39.51 | nsadmin | mdeonte: cool. now what? |
| 17:40.07 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders what mdeonte haas installed..... |
| 17:40.09 | abrotman | judd: versions lirc-source |
| 17:40.10 | judd | abrotman: lirc-source -- |
| 17:40.17 | abrotman | mdeonte: what's the package name ? |
| 17:40.24 | mdeonte | nsadmin, installing source code that is a has a higher version |
| 17:40.28 | mdeonte | abrotman, lirc |
| 17:40.45 | nsadmin | mdeonte: you'll want to install build-essential |
| 17:40.56 | nsadmin | and probably debhelper |
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| 17:41.15 | abrotman | judd: versions lirc |
| 17:41.16 | judd | abrotman: lirc -- etch: 0.8.0-9.2 lenny: 0.8.3-3 sid: 0.8.3-5 squeeze: 0.8.3-5 |
| 17:41.31 | mdeonte | nsadmin, I know how to install source |
| 17:41.32 | abrotman | mdeonte: it appears as though you'll have to compile the whole thing from source |
| 17:41.50 | mdeonte | i just dont want to eff up anything by apt thinking i have a older version |
| 17:42.11 | nsadmin | so you're foreporting? |
| 17:43.02 | nsadmin | well build the package... if apt ever removes it to upgrade, then just install the one you want again |
| 17:43.32 | mdeonte | Okay |
| 17:43.58 | do0ob | anyone know if debian disabled ywrap in the latest kernels? |
| 17:44.13 | nsadmin | the advantage of doing so, is it automatically uses the libs you have, and declares dependencies thereto in the resulting package |
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| 17:46.22 | mdeonte | what is dpkg-divert |
| 17:46.28 | nsadmin | (the libs you have most likely being the ones associated with the version of debian you run) |
| 17:46.45 | nsadmin | man dpkg-divert and see :P |
| 17:46.57 | mdeonte | !dmm |
| 17:46.58 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 17:47.03 | abrotman | msg the bot! |
| 17:47.08 | mdeonte | shit. i forgot |
| 17:47.18 | mdeonte | i hate reinstalling i have to reconfigure everything |
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| 17:47.39 | nsadmin | I'd recommend you keep backups then |
| 17:48.41 | holycow | debian is now using dash? |
| 17:48.55 | nsadmin | dash is probably the new sh |
| 17:48.55 | holycow | is this for the boot process or for user shells as well? |
| 17:49.09 | holycow | huh |
| 17:49.13 | jpinx-eeepc | I believe dash will be default in squeeze |
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| 17:49.28 | holycow | indeed, i just came back to a blue screen asking to install it on dist upgrade |
| 17:49.29 | MAd_haTTer | nods |
| 17:49.32 | holycow | i wasn't expecting that |
| 17:49.57 | holycow | oh grub2! nice |
| 17:49.57 | nsadmin | holycow: whatever will use /bin/sh is probably going to use dash |
| 17:50.03 | MAd_haTTer | hey.. what regex does grep use? |
| 17:50.08 | holycow | nsadmin: danke |
| 17:50.11 | MAd_haTTer | pcre? |
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| 17:50.23 | nsadmin | I'm not sure I'm going to follow that, I still like bash and bashisms |
| 17:50.28 | nkuttler | MAd_haTTer: various, see man grep |
| 17:50.35 | nootoyahora | I'm usign debian testing and my apt-updating is trying to update console setup, so I have to update my character set, I'm living in Europe (Spain) and I would like to know which one is the right character set... |
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| 17:53.36 | MAd_haTTer | can someone tell me why... this [29/Nov/2009:11:54:05 -0500] is not matched by this \[[..]/[...]/[.............] -0500\] |
| 17:53.50 | holycow | oh wow, LOTS of important changes in squeeze |
| 17:53.53 | themill | nsadmin: just use #!/bin/bash in your scripts then. You might like to run checkbashisms over your ~/bin/ (or wherever) to find what scripts need changing in that way |
| 17:53.57 | holycow | dependency baced booting |
| 17:53.58 | holycow | wow |
| 17:54.08 | _SKiTZO | sometimes when i install a package it starts asking a lot of questions in a dialogue. (debconf?). Anyways, i want to autoamte those answers in a config. how can i "generate" such a config? |
| 17:54.32 | _SKiTZO | i want to click through the dialog and at the end have a config that i can use the next time around |
| 17:54.45 | ribasushi | what is a good way to allow non-roots to restart services via sudo |
| 17:55.00 | holycow | that hard in the sense that each updated package will have new questions and features in a lot of cases |
| 17:55.01 | nkuttler | MAd_haTTer: start by matching smaller chunks |
| 17:55.02 | ribasushi | I mean is there some single-point script without many arguments |
| 17:55.03 | themill | _SKiTZO: you can get the data in and out of the debconf database |
| 17:55.07 | MAd_haTTer | ribasushi: permit access to invoke.d |
| 17:55.09 | holycow | you might want to look up automated debian installs |
| 17:55.09 | ribasushi | which can be safely allowed to be run as root |
| 17:55.17 | holycow | i think thats as far as you will get |
| 17:55.18 | _SKiTZO | themill: ok what is the name of the tool to get it out? |
| 17:55.22 | _SKiTZO | i can google from there :) |
| 17:55.59 | themill | _SKiTZO: debconf-{get,set}-selections. /msg dpkg debconf ; /msg dpkg preseed |
| 17:56.05 | holycow | although, now that i think about it that isn't a bad idea |
| 17:56.09 | ribasushi | MAd_haTTer: the fact that it takes [extra params] does not make it a security risk right? |
| 17:56.13 | _SKiTZO | holycow: in my environemtn i will have strict control on package versions |
| 17:56.22 | ribasushi | MAd_haTTer: I mean it knows how to sanitize whatever it gets |
| 17:56.26 | _SKiTZO | themill: thanks! |
| 17:56.30 | holycow | imagine adding a feature to dpkg to remember your choices sonext time you are offered 'use last known choice' or 'enter manually |
| 17:56.33 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 17:56.50 | nsadmin | holycow: that |
| 17:56.56 | nsadmin | is sorta what debconf does |
| 17:57.02 | holycow | _SKiTZO: aha! awesome. |
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| 17:57.12 | holycow | nsadmin: really? well time to google, thx for the tip! |
| 17:57.18 | nsadmin | except the choices it remembers is the config choices |
| 17:57.28 | nsadmin | not the package selection choices |
| 17:57.49 | MAd_haTTer | ribasushi: you are only permitting to invoke.d, so anything run with invoke.d would be in scope ie invoke.d apache restart, or invoke.d syslogd stop |
| 17:57.53 | holycow | now that i think about i, thats pretty much what i want. sweet! |
| 17:58.32 | ribasushi | MAd_haTTer: right, and invoke.d seems to take extra stuff after the action keyword |
| 17:58.42 | nsadmin | after that it's a matter of somehow getting debhelper to fork over the choices |
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| 17:59.03 | MAd_haTTer | ribasushi: I do not know what you are talking ab out.. |
| 17:59.28 | ribasushi | MAd_haTTer: invoke-rc.d [options] <basename> <action> [extra parameters] |
| 17:59.38 | MAd_haTTer | example..? |
| 17:59.56 | nsadmin | examples are in man page |
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| 18:00.03 | holycow | _SKiTZO: running debian as servers in production i take it? |
| 18:00.03 | ribasushi | MAd_haTTer: I have no idea - I've never used it. All I am asking - is it secure enough to just allow invoke-rc.d |
| 18:00.06 | cusco | I am having troubles with exim: |
| 18:00.07 | cusco | 2009-11-29 17:58:50 1NEo2s-0003ZE-MY == tiago.geada@gmail.com R=relayhost defer (-30): transport "relay_smtp" not found in relayhost router |
| 18:00.11 | nsadmin | there's a handful |
| 18:00.12 | ribasushi | MAd_haTTer: or I need to list all possible permutations |
| 18:00.15 | ribasushi | to be sure |
| 18:00.17 | MAd_haTTer | its not like you can do.. invoke.d syslogd stop rm -f |
| 18:00.49 | MAd_haTTer | nsadmin: not my problem.. Im good on man pages and researching the issue.. |
| 18:01.02 | MAd_haTTer | ribasushi: man sudoers |
| 18:01.10 | MAd_haTTer | you permit accesw to binarys |
| 18:01.18 | ribasushi | no |
| 18:01.18 | MAd_haTTer | not the commands they accept |
| 18:01.26 | ribasushi | you permit access to invocation struings |
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| 18:01.31 | ribasushi | facepalm |
| 18:01.42 | MAd_haTTer | ... |
| 18:01.55 | ribasushi | MAd_haTTer: I think it's you who needs to read the manpage :) |
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| 18:02.14 | MAd_haTTer | I need to read the man page to fix your problem? |
| 18:02.21 | MAd_haTTer | i think your mistaken.. gl.. |
| 18:02.33 | holycow | i love this channel, its like being in a western |
| 18:02.39 | ribasushi | no, you clearly have no idea how sudo works, and are trying to answer a theoretical question of mine |
| 18:02.43 | ribasushi | way to go... |
| 18:03.21 | MAd_haTTer | gotta love /ignore.. |
| 18:04.33 | themill | All this, from someone who can't construct a simple regexp for grep ... |
| 18:05.16 | ribasushi | themill: me? |
| 18:05.27 | themill | ribasushi: no, not you. |
| 18:05.41 | ribasushi | cool :) |
| 18:05.47 | _SKiTZO | holycow: not yet but big plans :) im making this huge "create linux images on the fly" setup |
| 18:06.03 | holycow | *oo* sounds interesting |
| 18:06.10 | holycow | we run debian on all servers |
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| 18:06.26 | holycow | what virtualization are you using? |
| 18:06.30 | DJAnonimo | hi guys |
| 18:06.36 | _SKiTZO | xen |
| 18:06.38 | DJAnonimo | when im trying to run proftpd im gettin: - mod_tls/2.1.2: compiled using OpenSSL version 'OpenSSL 0.9.8c 05 Sep 2006' headers, but linked to OpenSSL version 'OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007' library |
| 18:06.46 | holycow | sweet. i'm going to move to that. vmware is pissing me off |
| 18:06.50 | DJAnonimo | i need to recompile something or what ? please help |
| 18:06.53 | _SKiTZO | but images for the wholeinfrastructure is made as well |
| 18:07.02 | holycow | wow nice |
| 18:07.12 | _SKiTZO | so ive been learning alot lately |
| 18:07.32 | _SKiTZO | ldap iscsi kerberos pam nss and what not |
| 18:07.37 | holycow | aye, always the frickin learning curve |
| 18:07.39 | nkuttler | DJAnonimo: are you mixing stable/testing? |
| 18:07.42 | _SKiTZO | hehe ;) |
| 18:07.58 | MAd_haTTer | themill: har har har... |
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| 18:08.07 | DJAnonimo | i think that something get confused when updated openssl |
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| 18:08.31 | nkuttler | DJAnonimo: 0.9.8c seems to be oldstable. incomplete upgrade? |
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| 18:08.47 | _SKiTZO | yes. if its got merit and is hard to do its worth doing because that means less co mpetition in the end me thinks |
| 18:09.20 | DJAnonimo | nkuttler: you think it was downgraded rather than upgrade ? |
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| 18:09.28 | nkuttler | DJAnonimo: no |
| 18:09.49 | nkuttler | unless aptitude does such stupid things, but i wouldn't know that |
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| 18:10.09 | themill | DJAnonimo: pastebinning the output of "dpkg -l \*ssl\* | grep ^.i" might be handy for us. |
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| 18:10.34 | DJAnonimo | ii openssl 0.9.8g-15+lenny3 Secure Socket Layer (SSL) binary and related |
| 18:10.36 | DJAnonimo | huhh |
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| 18:11.11 | nkuttler | DJAnonimo: makes perfect sense, read your error again. |
| 18:11.13 | themill | DJAnonimo: that's not actually the most recent version in lenny anyway, |
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| 18:12.11 | themill | judd versions openssl --release lenny-security |
| 18:12.11 | judd | themill: openssl -- lenny-security: 0.9.8g-15+lenny5 |
| 18:12.24 | DJAnonimo | yea but why proftpd dont start... |
| 18:12.30 | DJAnonimo | whats wrong with this version =) |
| 18:13.06 | nsadmin | DJAnonimo: check the logs and see |
| 18:13.22 | nkuttler | DJAnonimo: you should probably start by doing a dist-upgrade to current stable |
| 18:13.32 | themill | And tell us what version you've actually got... |
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| 18:14.37 | DJAnonimo | im scared with changing open SSL because it may take effect with other application which uses OpenSSL |
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| 18:15.12 | DJAnonimo | ii psa-proftpd 1.3.1-debian4. ProFTPD -- Professional FTP Server. |
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| 18:16.42 | cantoma | guys, I have ld-linux.so.2 and Xorg occupying most of my CPU clock. I am not doing nothing right now. What are these two processes doing? |
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| 18:17.01 | nsadmin | spinning the cpu? |
| 18:17.11 | nsadmin | loading libs? |
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| 18:17.21 | nsadmin | watching the mouse? |
| 18:17.25 | nkuttler | DJAnonimo: that doesn't look like anything i have in either oldstable or stable |
| 18:17.38 | MayaT | emmmm... need some help, who have an experiance on Vodafone HSDPA / 3G / GPRS .. how to setting at debian.. pls pm me okey.. tq :( |
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| 18:18.11 | cantoma | nsadmin, but why around 70% of my cpu right now .. before it didn't happen |
| 18:18.13 | babilen | MayaT: Have you actually tried everyhting that was suggested to you? |
| 18:18.22 | themill | DJAnonimo: that's not a debian package. Where's it from? The -debian4 in the version suggests that it's probably compiled for etch by whomever made it. |
| 18:18.50 | grey | does anyone know the basic requirements for running debian? I'm trying it for the first time, and im getting the xserver error that none of my screens have a usable configuration... |
| 18:18.51 | qwd | is there any command I can do to show the model of my dvd drive? |
| 18:18.54 | DJAnonimo | themill: it was already installed on the machine |
| 18:19.00 | nsadmin | MayaT: so, you were here before asking about that... do you have the history of that session and of your entire experience trying to get it working? |
| 18:19.25 | DJAnonimo | Any suggestion how to make proftpd work ? |
| 18:19.39 | themill | DJAnonimo: It's still not a package from debian.org.... Can you please pastebin the entire output of: "apt-cache policy ; aptitude search ~o ; dpkg -l \*ssl\* | grep ^.i ; dpkg -l \*proftp\* | grep ^.i" |
| 18:20.06 | MayaT | babilen, no... i need very clear explaination.. coz i am very new on this linux world... :( |
| 18:20.25 | nkuttler | grey: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 18:20.56 | grey | im sorry, what? first time on IRC too =\ |
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| 18:21.16 | jimboo | MayaT, i use a vodafone 3g modem ...i use wvdial |
| 18:21.17 | DJAnonimo | PASTEBIN : http://pastebin.com/m30f69e |
| 18:21.26 | nkuttler | !tell grey about pastebinit |
| 18:21.26 | nsadmin | grey: apt-get install pastebinit |
| 18:21.42 | jimboo | i pastebin my config file in the room earler |
| 18:21.43 | MayaT | jimboo, how u do that jimboo |
| 18:21.53 | mdeonte | what was that CC variable again abrotman |
| 18:22.00 | jimboo | apt-get wvdial |
| 18:22.03 | themill | DJAnonimo: yuck! You appear to have a very interesting mixture of etch, lenny and some other crap from external repositories. |
| 18:22.30 | DJAnonimo | huhh |
| 18:23.00 | DJAnonimo | reinstalling proftpd wont help ? |
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| 18:23.16 | nsadmin | you need to stablize your installation first |
| 18:23.28 | themill | DJAnonimo: You have some plesk stuff designed for etch (not lenny), you still have mirror entries pointing to etch, you have aptitude (and hence apt, dpkg and libc6) from etch but you have libssl from lenny. |
| 18:23.41 | DJAnonimo | yea i got a plesk web interface |
| 18:23.42 | nkuttler | ouch |
| 18:23.49 | babilen | MayaT: install wvdial with 'aptitude install wvdial' then configure it. You might get help doing so from people in here that actually use you vodafone thingie with wv dial. Yes jimboo i am looking at you ;-) |
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| 18:25.28 | nkuttler | DJAnonimo: well, it doesn't look _that_ bad. i'd ditch plesk and /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 18:25.46 | themill | DJAnonimo: I have no idea if plesk supports lenny -- you need to ask them about how to configure plesk for lenny. To fix the debian part of your installation, you should get rid of all the entries in your sources.list except the ovh.net ones and add yourself a line for security.debian.org (/msg dpkg security). You can then "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" and follow the release notes for how to actually upgrade to lenny. |
| 18:26.01 | themill | DJAnonimo: You should remove whatever that proftpd is and isntall the debian version. |
| 18:26.08 | babilen | !tell DJAnonimo -about release notes |
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| 18:27.15 | DJAnonimo | themill: where can i find the debian version? all links are dead on official website :/ |
| 18:27.44 | themill | "aptitude install proftpd" would be a good start. |
| 18:27.56 | nsadmin | DJAnonimo: you need to resolve the etch thing first probably |
| 18:27.59 | MayaT | babilen, yah thanks.. now jimboo help me :) |
| 18:28.25 | themill | DJAnonimo: but as nsadmin says, that's a long way down the track for you... fix up the rest of your box first. |
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| 18:29.30 | do0ob | hi |
| 18:29.40 | do0ob | has anyone tried installing xsplash on debian? |
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| 18:30.15 | babilen | do0ob: probably. if not -> be the first |
| 18:30.20 | mdeonte | configure: error: *** you need to have the Linux kernel source installed |
| 18:30.20 | mdeonte | for this driver |
| 18:30.28 | DJAnonimo | i really dont understand what i need to do on this box :/ |
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| 18:30.34 | do0ob | babilen: i'm going around the other distros to ask if anyone has tried it on theirs first |
| 18:30.45 | mdeonte | I installed the linux-source-2.26 package though |
| 18:30.49 | mdeonte | what do i do? |
| 18:31.22 | babilen | !teall do0ob -about bad polls |
| 18:31.32 | babilen | !tell do0ob -about bad polls |
| 18:31.48 | DJAnonimo | start with (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade) ? |
| 18:31.59 | do0ob | geez |
| 18:32.44 | do0ob | sounds like xsplash starts xorg very early in the boot process |
| 18:32.48 | babilen | do0ob: Why do you care if anyone tried installing xsplash on all the distributions? |
| 18:32.54 | nkuttler | DJAnonimo: first, /msg dpkg release notes |
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| 18:34.29 | do0ob | babilen: makes it easier |
| 18:34.40 | babilen | do0ob: makes what easier? |
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| 18:35.04 | do0ob | babilen: installing it on debian |
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| 18:36.16 | DJAnonimo | nkuttler: upgrade to debian 5 ? |
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| 18:39.10 | do0ob | actually i'm going to go with plymouth, like the concept a lot more |
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| 18:41.57 | DJAnonimo | no luck ;/ |
| 18:43.03 | do0ob | yay for youtube videos, see now don't you want to install it too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JdGOyB2p-U |
| 18:43.57 | sphenxes01 | is there any auction snipper software for ebay in Debian? |
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| 18:44.25 | MartyD | haha |
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| 18:44.39 | do0ob | d |
| 18:44.49 | do0ob | sphenxes01: yes, the user |
| 18:45.32 | sphenxes01 | it has not worked for me :-) |
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| 18:47.07 | cgroza | hello i want to install debian... but i dont know how to install it...it will install just like ubuntu or i have to type commands? |
| 18:48.01 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 18:48.01 | dpkg | somebody said netinst was a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 18:48.10 | abrotman | !tell cgroza about ig |
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| 18:50.01 | cgroza | when i will install debian , a gui will be present? |
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| 18:51.19 | mdeonte | how do i install my kernel's source |
| 18:51.35 | mdeonte | I installed the source package, but lirc still says it is not there |
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| 18:53.02 | amphi | mdeonte: if I recall correctly the src is installed as a tarball in /usr/src |
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| 18:53.28 | mdeonte | amphi, Yes, so do i have to extract that? |
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| 18:54.27 | amphi | mdeonte: yes |
| 18:54.45 | mdeonte | amphi, is that it? |
| 18:54.59 | amphi | mdeonte: but lirc wouldn't be content with the headers package? |
| 18:55.09 | abrotman | probably |
| 18:55.15 | mdeonte | amphi, i didnt try... |
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| 18:55.21 | amphi | ... |
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| 18:56.12 | mdeonte | amphi, im installing it now |
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| 18:57.17 | MayaT | ~gtg~ bye my all... :) |
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| 18:57.33 | mdeonte | amphi, that worked! |
| 18:57.40 | bravvve | hello,where i can fined a documentation about magnometer exploitation using Symbian C++ |
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| 18:58.56 | \amethyst | bravvve: #symbian or ##hardware would be able to help more than we |
| 18:59.12 | ArZa | Anyone wanna explain thoroughly how to setup an ipv6-tunnel(broker) and set own reverse? one tried it but didn't succeed |
| 18:59.46 | bravvve | \amethyst:ops i'v posted in wrong room,sorry:-D |
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| 19:02.49 | bravvve | when installin pidgin,i v done some updates in packages ,so when starting system i goot "no greater widget found",how can i fiw that |
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| 19:03.20 | bravvve | fix |
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| 19:04.51 | alphanet | hi, funnily the info page for coreutils's cp mentions --exclude, but the cp build in lenny doesn't support it. |
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| 19:07.01 | giwe | How do I sync dselect state into aptitude state? |
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| 19:07.10 | Supertanker | I deleted my /etc/udev/rules.d directory and now, although Debian boots find and generates /dev right, it generates /dev with the entirely wrong permissions on most of the files, and resets them on reboot. How can I regenerate the the udev rules.d directory? |
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| 19:07.44 | abrotman | !tell Supertanker about confmiss |
| 19:08.53 | amphi | mdeonte: good-oh |
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| 19:09.04 | mdeonte | i hate compiling software |
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| 19:09.20 | mdeonte | you need this, which needs that, which needs this and that |
| 19:09.21 | mdeonte | UGH |
| 19:09.50 | dvs | mdeonte: Which is why I use Debian! ;-) |
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| 19:10.16 | mdeonte | dvs, it would be fine if debian used newer software... |
| 19:10.22 | mdeonte | i use debian too |
| 19:10.42 | mdeonte | *** GLIB 2.5.7 or better is required. The latest version of |
| 19:10.42 | mdeonte | *** GLIB is always available from ftp://ftp.gtk.org/ |
| 19:10.44 | Supertanker | Thanks, abrotman! |
| 19:10.51 | mdeonte | there is no GLIB 2.5.7 |
| 19:10.56 | dvs | mdeonte: I'd prefer "tried-and-true" than cutting edge. |
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| 19:11.01 | nkuttler | mdeonte: if you want never, less tested, potentially broken software go with testing, unstable or backports |
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| 19:11.28 | nkuttler | s/never/newer/ |
| 19:11.30 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.33 | do0ob | mdeonte: simple: apt-get build dep inkscape, cd /tmp; apt-get source inkscape; cd inkscape*; dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -b; cd ..; sudo dpkg -i inkscape*.deb |
| 19:11.35 | dvs | mdeonte: sounds like you need backports if you don't want to go to testing or unstable |
| 19:11.56 | mdeonte | do0ob, tabfail> |
| 19:12.06 | mdeonte | dvs, i already have the, |
| 19:12.09 | mdeonte | them |
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| 19:12.16 | dvs | them who? |
| 19:12.33 | giwe | how do I find the list of packages aptitude wants to delete? |
| 19:12.39 | abrotman | dvs: he's trying to build LIRC from source |
| 19:12.47 | dvs | oh. |
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| 19:13.24 | mdeonte | abrotman, I already built LIRC |
| 19:13.25 | oxi | hi |
| 19:13.33 | mdeonte | im building gnome-lirc-properties |
| 19:13.36 | oxi | is it possible to undo the last rm -rf? |
| 19:13.37 | mdeonte | beacuse once again, |
| 19:13.41 | amphi | mdeonte: you could try apt-get build-dep lirc |
| 19:13.42 | mdeonte | outdated version |
| 19:13.49 | nkuttler | oxi: sure, use your backups |
| 19:13.51 | mdeonte | mdeonte, hmm? |
| 19:13.58 | amphi | mdeonte: that should install most, if not all, what you need |
| 19:14.12 | oxi | mkuttler: alright, this will take me an hour |
| 19:14.33 | oxi | nkuttler: I thought there might be a quicker solution |
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| 19:14.55 | nkuttler | oxi: well, unless your filesystem has some backup mechanism built-in, not really |
| 19:15.10 | oxi | ok, good to know, thanks |
| 19:15.37 | mdeonte | glib = glibc? |
| 19:16.34 | Sidnicious | I'm trying to figure something out (obv. not particularly familiar with apt). I have the lenny repos set up but want to install a version of a package only available in testing (and keep it up to date). What's the right way to do it? |
| 19:16.56 | mdeonte | configure: error: you must configure in a separate build directory |
| 19:17.00 | mdeonte | what does that mean? |
| 19:17.09 | nkuttler | Sidnicious: build a backport |
| 19:17.31 | nkuttler | mdeonte: well, you should proabably apt-get source whatever and see what the maintainer does |
| 19:18.23 | Sidnicious | nkuttler: Okay, I'll do some research on what that means. |
| 19:18.27 | Supertanker | The hell! No wonder Debian was kernel panicing randomly about incomplete RAMDRIVE writes. |
| 19:18.31 | nkuttler | !tell Sidnicious about ssbp |
| 19:18.38 | Supertanker | My server is randomly detecting only 1/8th of its memory on boot. |
| 19:18.52 | Supertanker | Time to go bug ##hardware |
| 19:19.00 | nkuttler | Sidnicious: s/unstable/testing/ in those instructions of course |
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| 19:19.37 | Sidnicious | nkuttler: Ah, thanks. |
| 19:20.22 | mdeonte | *** On GNU/Linux systems the GNU C Library should not be installed into |
| 19:20.22 | mdeonte | *** /usr/local since this might make your system totally unusable. |
| 19:20.26 | mdeonte | is that true? |
| 19:20.50 | simonrvn | mdeonte: glib != glibc |
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| 19:21.28 | simonrvn | (before you go doing something stupid) |
| 19:21.39 | Sidnicious | nkuttler: Awesome, thanks. |
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| 19:22.32 | giwe | kdict is shown as obsolete in testing. is there a replacement? |
| 19:22.46 | mdeonte | fuckkkk. |
| 19:22.53 | simonrvn | mdeonte: and yes, you can break everything. for your own good, don't go builing libc6 on your own. |
| 19:23.01 | simonrvn | building* |
| 19:23.09 | dvs | bulling? ;-) |
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| 19:23.22 | mdeonte | OH |
| 19:23.30 | mdeonte | i found glib |
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| 19:25.00 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.02 | alphanet | (now using cpio -p) |
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| 19:25.30 | simonrvn | dvs: heh |
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| 19:25.42 | dvs | pushes glib around |
| 19:26.47 | dannyboy1121x | installation question: I'm installing lenny on to an NSLU2 .. the client running the SSH installer session went in to hibernation during the install process and now I can't complete the 'select and install software' section. |
| 19:27.31 | dannyboy1121x | It says .. installation step failed. Is there a way of kick starting this section again without having to do a complete install from scratch? |
| 19:27.40 | MAd_haTTer | push the power button to wake up the pc...? |
| 19:27.57 | dannyboy1121x | Its a remote installtion to an NSLU2 |
| 19:28.16 | MAd_haTTer | are to still connected? |
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| 19:28.35 | dannyboy1121x | IHad to reconnect the ssh installer |
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| 19:28.52 | MAd_haTTer | so you are still connected.. |
| 19:28.54 | mdeonte | what is the command to output the text to a file after a command? |
| 19:29.01 | dannyboy1121x | took me back to the 'select and install software' section ... |
| 19:29.07 | dannyboy1121x | yes connected again |
| 19:29.10 | MAd_haTTer | there should be a go back button in ncurses |
| 19:29.26 | dvs | mdeonte: Huh? You mean a ">" ? |
| 19:29.27 | MAd_haTTer | else reboot.. only take 15min to do an install anyway.. |
| 19:29.39 | dannyboy1121x | NSLU2 install = 4 hours :S |
| 19:29.55 | MAd_haTTer | wtf is nslu2? |
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| 19:30.04 | abrotman | ignore him |
| 19:30.15 | abrotman | dannyboy1121x: there's no way to give it input to wake up? |
| 19:30.26 | MAd_haTTer | he is connected to it.. |
| 19:30.37 | MAd_haTTer | use a netinstall next time |
| 19:30.37 | abrotman | via ssh, he think |
| 19:30.39 | abrotman | thinks |
| 19:30.53 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: do you know what he's even talking about? |
| 19:30.57 | abrotman | i mean .. at all? |
| 19:31.09 | dannyboy1121x | I can connect back no problem .. it's just there is a section I can't seem to get past .. probably because the ssh session terminated and dropped me out of the installer |
| 19:31.27 | abrotman | dannyboy1121x: are you doing this through a firewall/router ? |
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| 19:32.07 | dannyboy1121x | no .. just on the lan |
| 19:32.15 | abrotman | dannyboy1121x: anyways, if you could make it skip that step and run grub-install manually, should be okay |
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| 19:32.36 | dannyboy1121x | kk will give it a go |
| 19:32.59 | Sidnicious | nkuttler: I'm walking through those steps, but a little stuck. I'm getting a "Build-Depends dependency cannot be satisfied" on apt-get build-dep. Do I have to specify the testing repo in that command somehow? |
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| 19:33.14 | abrotman | dannyboy1121x: that step is the last step before it installs grub |
| 19:33.31 | abrotman | dannyboy1121x: that said .. i'm not sure what the bootloader is for ARM .. might be something else |
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| 19:33.54 | dvs | Sidnicious: I think you're looking for the "-t testing" command line option (if you doing what I think you're doing) |
| 19:33.55 | dannyboy1121x | aiye |
| 19:34.14 | zophy | !vikings |
| 19:34.24 | zophy | dpkg |
| 19:34.31 | dvs | kick |
| 19:34.38 | zophy | how do i excite the bot ? |
| 19:34.44 | dvs | zophy: /msg dpkg |
| 19:34.45 | abrotman | zophy: /msg dpkg foo |
| 19:34.45 | bravvve | when installin pidgin,i v done some updates in packages ,so when starting system i goot "no greater widget found",how can i fix it |
| 19:34.47 | Sidnicious | dvs: I added a dev-src line for a testing repo to my sources, trying to install a single package at a version in testing |
| 19:35.09 | Sidnicious | following dpkg's ssbp instructions |
| 19:35.11 | dvs | Sidnicious: so with apt-get, try the "-t testing" option |
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| 19:35.38 | dvs | Sidnicious: and it's "deb-src", not "dev-src" |
| 19:36.03 | Sidnicious | dvs: Erm, yes. Typo |
| 19:36.28 | Sero | Hi! I have a server in trouble; my software raid-5 array suddenly has failed. It consists of 3 drives, and when booting, two of them are kicked because they are non-fresh. What do I do? |
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| 19:36.56 | abrotman | you have a RAID5 with two dead drives? |
| 19:37.22 | Sero | they are not dead |
| 19:38.04 | Sero | unless unfresh=dead |
| 19:38.13 | dannyboy1121x | does anyone know how the "select and install software" section works in the installer? Is there a flag I can reset to get it running again? |
| 19:38.15 | abrotman | but there are two of them ? |
| 19:38.19 | Sero | yes |
| 19:38.24 | abrotman | dannyboy1121x: tasksel .. but most people don't use it |
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| 19:38.42 | Sero | kicking sdc6 and sdb6 |
| 19:38.52 | Sero | sda6 seems to be operational |
| 19:38.53 | abrotman | is pretty sure that two dead drives on a 3-drive RAID5 == no more data ? |
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| 19:39.02 | Sero | :(( |
| 19:39.27 | dannyboy1121x | abrotman: tasksel eh .. so if I drop in to a shell .. i'll find it in bin or sbin .. just run it? |
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| 19:40.27 | Sidnicious | OK, apt-get -t testing install packagename is installing the version from lenny. |
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| 19:40.42 | abrotman | dannyboy1121x: you can completely skip that step in the installer |
| 19:40.45 | Sero | Isn't there some way to force assembly of the array? |
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| 19:41.36 | dannyboy1121x | abrotman: If I try and continue .. the installer keels over when trying to make the system bootable saying that I've missed a step |
| 19:41.54 | Sero | just wonder how on earth to drives can give up at exsactly the same time |
| 19:43.00 | mdeonte | !bluetooth |
| 19:43.01 | dpkg | [bluetooth] a wireless communications protocol: http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting. apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
| 19:43.32 | nkuttler | Sero: drives from same manufacturer/proudction line tend to fail at the same time. could also be some other part of your hardware causing errors. |
| 19:44.02 | babilen | !tell mdeonte -about msg the bot |
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| 19:48.17 | mdeonte | fuckkkkkk! |
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| 19:48.23 | Sero | nkutter: the array has been constantly monitored until it failed; so they must have crashed within minutes. Any ideas on which hardware I could try swapping? |
| 19:48.33 | dvs | mdeonte: another dependency? |
| 19:48.34 | mdeonte | i was compling glib and pango now nautilus wont load |
| 19:48.49 | abrotman | wonder whjy .. |
| 19:49.02 | mdeonte | Pango:ERROR:pangofc-fontmap.c:2134:pango_fc_font_description_from_pattern: assertion failed: (res == FcResultMatch) |
| 19:49.02 | mdeonte | Aborted |
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| 19:49.33 | mdeonte | is thinking about going back to Ubuntu.. |
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| 19:50.43 | bravvve | when installin pidgin,i v done some updates in packages ,so when starting system i goot "no greater widget found",how can i fix it |
| 19:50.52 | bravvve | any one |
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| 19:52.04 | do0ob | hi |
| 19:52.13 | do0ob | does anyone know how to get plymouth to work on debian? |
| 19:52.16 | do0ob | pretty please |
| 19:52.37 | do0ob | i've tried everything i can think of but it just doesn't show up |
| 19:52.43 | babilen | mdeonte: Why have you compiled glib and pango? Which versions? Where did you get the source code? How did you compile? |
| 19:52.59 | nsadmin | mdeonte: probably you should look at the source around the reported line to see what the assertion is testing for and why it's bad when it fails |
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| 19:53.36 | mdeonte | I still probably need to switch... this software is too outdated |
| 19:54.10 | nsadmin | then you'll know what the problem is in a deeper, zoomed-in way |
| 19:54.18 | babilen | bravvve: What do you mean by 'starting system' ? Are you running Debian stable? |
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| 19:55.00 | riot | heya |
| 19:55.14 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:55.37 | bravvve | bravvve:but i'v add somme mirrors |
| 19:55.39 | riot | is there a good graphical package manager? i tried aptitude and kpackage, but they only show about 300 packages (apt-cache --stats tells me, there are about 38k known packagenames...) |
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| 19:55.59 | babilen | bravvve: You installed pidgin and it does not work, or what do you mean by 'starting system' ? |
| 19:56.27 | babilen | bravvve: paste the output os 'apt-cache policy' on paste.debian.net please. |
| 19:56.51 | jmarsden | riot: aptitude sees whatever packages apt sees. They use the same package database... |
| 19:57.08 | riot | jmarsden: so why doesn't it show me _everything_? |
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| 19:57.37 | jmarsden | riot: Because you aren't asking it to? I can't answer that. It should show you "everything" if you ask it to do so. |
| 19:57.46 | bravvve | babilen: am under windows i will restart |
| 19:57.53 | riot | jmarsden: okay, i'm gonna ASK it. |
| 19:57.54 | babilen | bravvve: alright |
| 19:58.10 | mdeonte | Will i still be allowed to come here when i switch? |
| 19:58.17 | do0ob | anyone know how to get plymouth to work? |
| 19:58.23 | babilen | mdeonte: no, ubuntu is off topic here |
| 19:58.27 | riot | jmarsden: hm. The GTK variant doesn't offer anything about that. |
| 19:59.07 | simonrvn | !wayttd mdeonte |
| 19:59.07 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, mdeonte? |
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| 19:59.07 | babilen | mdeonte: why did you compile glib and pango? |
| 19:59.07 | riot | jmarsden: oh, wait, with aptitude-gtk the problem was: It can't sort stuff by categories. |
| 19:59.38 | mdeonte | I needed to install gnome-lirc-properties which required a new version of GTK which require a new version of GLIB and atk and pango |
| 19:59.44 | abrotman | needed why? |
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| 20:00.08 | mdeonte | Because it is easier to configure my ir remote that way |
| 20:00.32 | simonrvn | lemme guess, this is why you abandoned ubuntu: your system was broken. |
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| 20:01.02 | mdeonte | simonrvn, no. vm server 2 wouldnt compile |
| 20:01.07 | mdeonte | too new kernel |
| 20:01.15 | xispirito | what exactly is the lguest? |
| 20:02.05 | do0ob | nothing about plymouth in dmesg |
| 20:02.07 | mdeonte | and ubuntu has the newest lirc |
| 20:02.27 | mdeonte | and, ubuntu is the only distro that supports my sns |
| 20:03.01 | abrotman | super nitnendo system ?> |
| 20:03.14 | mdeonte | !sns |
| 20:03.15 | dpkg | methinks sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 20:03.17 | cahoot | shiny new ...? |
| 20:03.29 | babilen | laughs |
| 20:04.28 | do0ob | and there is no plymouth kernel module either |
| 20:05.11 | xispirito | to compile the 2.6.31.6, i need to change the file /usr/src/linux2.6.31.6/Documentation/lguest/Makefile in line. all: leguest to simple all: |
| 20:05.19 | xispirito | have one risk? |
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| 20:07.07 | TomyLobo | do i need a separate swap partition? |
| 20:07.17 | TomyLobo | i didnt create a swap partition and am getting a warning now |
| 20:07.17 | abrotman | no |
| 20:07.19 | dvs | TomyLobo: not mandatory |
| 20:07.42 | TomyLobo | so i can create a swap file on a data partition? |
| 20:07.48 | dvs | TomyLobo: yes |
| 20:07.55 | riot | okay, synaptic is the tool of choice. Offers dpigs-like functionality and has a nice category-filterlist |
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| 20:09.20 | nsadmin | TomyLobo: wait, are you using that data partition for anything? |
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| 20:09.43 | nsadmin | once you mkswap on it... entire content is gone |
| 20:10.42 | TomyLobo | ok, separate partition it is then |
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| 20:11.26 | Django|afk | peeps can someone help me a bit .. i used http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3023407&postcount=4 to get my vnc working .. how can i set it to share curent desktop instead of starting a new session |
| 20:11.46 | bravvve | babilen:i cant poste it because its to long to remember it |
| 20:12.32 | babilen | bravvve: are you in Debian right now? |
| 20:12.34 | Sibul | TomyLobo, http://tinyurl.com/yekhonp |
| 20:13.05 | bravvve | no,the graphical interface don't start |
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| 20:13.20 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:14.36 | babilen | bravvve: Ok... I was not aware that you Debian system does not start *at all*. I assumed it was a problem with pidgin ... |
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| 20:15.01 | abrotman | Django|afk: you should be asking in the correct channel |
| 20:15.03 | babilen | bravvve: Do you remember which 'repositories' you added and (maybe) which packages you installed? |
| 20:15.03 | bravvve | babilen:just the single user mode |
| 20:15.20 | nsadmin | bravvve: so single user mode works? |
| 20:15.26 | Django|afk | i'm on debian abrotman ;) |
| 20:15.36 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:15.44 | abrotman | Django|afk: your posts say you're on ubuntu .. don't lie to us |
| 20:15.53 | bravvve | nsadmin:yes |
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| 20:16.19 | Django|afk | abrotman it's the only working topic i found until now |
| 20:16.20 | nsadmin | ok, so that's most of your system... that rules out a lot of stuff |
| 20:16.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Django|afk: what's the output of /etc/debian_version |
| 20:16.42 | babilen | bravvve: would you tell me which repositories you added? and which packages you installed ... |
| 20:16.46 | abrotman | wrong thing to ask |
| 20:16.58 | nsadmin | yeah, ubuntu doesn't set it |
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| 20:17.59 | nsadmin | bravvve: when you ctrl-D out of single and it goes to multi, what's the last thing to succeed? |
| 20:18.04 | Django|afk | 5.0.3 jpinx-eeepc |
| 20:18.18 | bravvve | babilen: there was some package need to be installed but the installer say that he wille not install,so i went to this package i trid to install it manually |
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| 20:18.47 | babilen | bravvve: which package? |
| 20:19.06 | babilen | bravvve: And which installer did complain? |
| 20:19.27 | bravvve | nsadmin: with startx i got the start screan but when i try to connect i got a worning message say,no greater widget |
| 20:19.34 | skeletal | Guys, i have a doubt. I would like to do SCANDISK in my windows partition ( BUT i have to do it in my LINUX.) How can I do that? |
| 20:19.44 | bravvve | babilen: synaptic |
| 20:19.49 | babilen | bravvve: Tell us what you did, tell us what the status is now. eg: you can boot and after '....' the system is not working |
| 20:20.01 | nsadmin | bravvve: so you don't have xdm or any .dm right? |
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| 20:20.29 | skeletal | some friend have some idea?] |
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| 20:20.53 | bravvve | nsadmin:yes when i try gdm or kdm there is a panic with xserver |
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| 20:21.10 | Sibul | skeletal, BartPE or windoze install cd rescue system? never seen a "scandisk" like program for linux since ntfs isnt that well known :) |
| 20:21.31 | babilen | bravvve: where did you install that synaptic package from? How did you 'try' to install it? Did that succeed? |
| 20:21.35 | nsadmin | bravvve: so do you presently have one of those installed? or no?? |
| 20:22.06 | bravvve | babilen:when i try to start with the graphical mode i got no greater widget found |
| 20:22.20 | jmarsden | skeletal: ntfsfix (part of ntfsutils) is a very basic NTFS checker, but not as thorough as a real chkdsk... |
| 20:22.20 | nsadmin | bravvve: so do you presently have one of those installed? or no? |
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| 20:22.40 | bravvve | babilen:i do not understand |
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| 20:23.38 | bravvve | nsadmin: i had the tow installed |
| 20:23.47 | nsadmin | and now? |
| 20:24.04 | nsadmin | when you boot, do they try to run? |
| 20:24.08 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.24 | nsadmin | howbout kdm? and gdm? |
| 20:24.29 | nsadmin | just those two |
| 20:24.34 | skeletal | <jmarsden> Man, i already used he ntfsfix. It scanned my ntfs in just 2 seconds - STRANGE. So, when i do it nothing happen with my ntfs. Continue without work... |
| 20:24.38 | babilen | bravvve: you said you tried to install synaptic after the installation failed with the 'installer' (which?) .. how did you tried to install it? |
| 20:24.44 | bravvve | nsadmin:yes |
| 20:24.57 | nsadmin | they are installed (both) now? |
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| 20:25.20 | bravvve | babilen:no i tryd to install pidgin using synaptic |
| 20:25.20 | nsadmin | is not finding this communication style easy |
| 20:25.22 | jmarsden | skeletal: Then you should probably boot from a UBCD for Win and run a real windows CHKDSK from that rather than trying to fix NTFS from within Linux. |
| 20:25.41 | bravvve | nsadmin: yes |
| 20:25.47 | nsadmin | ok. |
| 20:26.02 | nsadmin | Soul_Eater: when you boot, which one tries to start x? |
| 20:26.02 | skeletal | <jmarsden> what mean UBCD ? sorry |
| 20:26.09 | nsadmin | err |
| 20:26.10 | Sibul | skeletal, universal boot cd |
| 20:26.22 | nsadmin | So when you boot, which one tries to start x? |
| 20:26.25 | Sibul | skeletal, google it, you will find plenty :) |
| 20:26.39 | jmarsden | skeletal: See http://www.ubcd4win.com/ for the windows version |
| 20:26.44 | bravvve | nsadmin:i don"t no |
| 20:26.46 | nsadmin | Soul_Eater: excuse the ping |
| 20:26.53 | skeletal | ok, i will go |
| 20:26.56 | skeletal | see |
| 20:28.07 | elli222 | hmm, a application is complaining about stdc++5 being missing, however there is no libstdc++5 package availible. can i just link stdc++6 to it instead? |
| 20:28.18 | bravvve | babilen:with apt-cache policy i got a=stable in all,and l=debian,or debian volatile,and for the other i got contrib,vertion is 5.0.3 |
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| 20:28.44 | babilen | bravvve: So, you installed pidgin with synaptic and now the grapical environment (xorg) is not starting anymore? |
| 20:28.56 | nsadmin | elli222: debian is set up to make sure all packaged apps work with the current lib... |
| 20:28.57 | babilen | bravvve: ok, that is great |
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| 20:29.07 | themill | !sidsmite elli222 |
| 20:29.07 | dpkg | smacks elli222 with a crippling libstdc++5 bug |
| 20:29.32 | elli222 | nsadmin: its not a debian package D: |
| 20:29.32 | bravvve | babilen: how it's great? |
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| 20:30.16 | bohne | hi, i'm using debian in a virtualbox on a windows host. i reinstalled the host. virtualbox created a new mac address, and debian marked this as eth3. i need the mac address of the old eth2. is there a list somewhere? |
| 20:30.37 | babilen | bravvve: that means that you are using Debian stable and did not install packages from other releases. That rules out a lot of nasty things ... |
| 20:30.45 | jmarsden | !tell bohne about 70 |
| 20:30.46 | nsadmin | elli222: no idea how to support that. |
| 20:30.52 | elli222 | can i just pinch a libstdc from etch? |
| 20:31.12 | jmarsden | bohne: dpkg just gave you some info that should help :) |
| 20:31.13 | nsadmin | rebuild the app from source |
| 20:31.20 | babilen | bravvve: But it is hard to debug your problem if you are not in Debian ... are you somewhat comfortable on the command line? |
| 20:31.24 | Sidnicious | Hey, so I'm still trying to install something from testing... apt-get -t testing build-dep packagename reports "no available versions of package otherpackage can satisfy version requirements" |
| 20:32.03 | bohne | jmarsden: thanks, thats nice thank you |
| 20:32.05 | bravvve | babilen:i use it time to time |
| 20:32.28 | elli222 | uh, its closed source, proprietary and extremely fun |
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| 20:33.07 | bravvve | babilen:to mount some media,or coppy some file from ntfs partition ,install some thing ,compiling C source code |
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| 20:33.58 | babilen | bravvve: ok .. could you try booting Debian and log into the text environment. You can switch to it with ctrl-alt-f1 after the graphical environment failed to start. You can then install irssi (aptitude install irssi) which is an irssi client for the console and come here? |
| 20:35.02 | bravvve | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.42 | babilen | bravvve: you just type 'irssi' and it should start. You can connect with /connect irc.freenode.net and join with /join #debian |
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| 20:35.49 | wamty | is there a way to authenticate a user thru imap/shadow in order to watch a certain website? |
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| 20:36.12 | babilen | bravvve: http://irssi.org/ |
| 20:36.19 | nkuttler | wamty: hm? |
| 20:36.28 | babilen | bravvve: you could print out the necessary information to get you started |
| 20:36.33 | wamty | WHAT? |
| 20:36.43 | bravvve | babilen:good idea |
| 20:37.10 | babilen | bravvve: ... if you have a printer ;-) |
| 20:37.33 | nkuttler | wamty: your question is very vague |
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| 20:39.35 | bravvve | babilen:should i print this http://irssi.org/documentation/manual |
| 20:41.02 | babilen | bravvve: you actually don't need all that. Just remember /connect irc.freenode.net and /join #debian |
| 20:41.21 | babilen | bravvve: You might have to /msg nickserv identify <password> |
| 20:41.24 | bravvve | ok brb |
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| 20:41.42 | lolmaus^ | I have manually compiled a library (in repository that library is outdated). Should i do something for aptitude to know that the library is there and shouldn't be replaced? |
| 20:41.47 | bravvve | babilen: msg what? |
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| 20:42.30 | babilen | bravvve: that will log you into the network with your nickname |
| 20:42.33 | nkuttler | lolmaus^: /msg dpkg equivs, /msg dpkg hold |
| 20:42.46 | nkuttler | lolmaus^: or did you build a .deb of the library? |
| 20:43.08 | earthian | Hi, is it OK to run a fsck -cfv with -n ("Make no changes to the filesystem") on a *mounted* root fs? |
| 20:43.14 | bravvve | babilen: is it a command laike connect? |
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| 20:45.03 | babilen | bravvve: yes |
| 20:45.49 | babilen | bravvve: but it might not be necessary ... you have to replace <password> with you password (if you registered with freenode that is) |
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| 20:48.25 | do0ob | YAY! |
| 20:48.30 | do0ob | i got plymouth working sort of |
| 20:48.40 | lolmaus^ | nkuttler: no, i didn't build a deb for the library. I just used make install. |
| 20:48.43 | do0ob | i need to modify the initramfs by the looks of it |
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| 20:51.29 | lolmaus^ | nkuttler: i wonder whether aptitude will try to install the library from repo when it eventually installs something that requires that library. |
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| 20:53.06 | earthian | Is it safe to run FSCK with option -n (Make no changes to the filesystem) on a mounted file system? |
| 20:53.57 | earthian | fsck says it is not safe... but I assume that is without -n... please correct if i am wrong. |
| 20:54.31 | joltcan | earthian: AFAIK it |
| 20:54.35 | joltcan | 's safe |
| 20:54.38 | joltcan | damn keyboard |
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| 20:54.46 | earthian | ok thanks. |
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| 20:55.21 | tensorpudding | anyone know how to find the sun java docs for the version of java in lenny? |
| 20:55.51 | tensorpudding | the information that apt gave about downloading stuff from the website is useless since that page only lists the latest revision of java 6 |
| 20:56.39 | themill | judd info sun-java6-doc |
| 20:56.40 | judd | themill: sun-java6-doc (non-free/doc): is optional; Version: 6-12-1; Size: 33.5k; Installed: 164k -- Sun JDK(TM) Documention -- integration installer |
| 20:56.48 | themill | tensorpudding: ^^ that sort of docs? |
| 20:57.16 | tensorpudding | yes, that package |
| 20:57.25 | tensorpudding | it requires you to download a file from sun's website by hand |
| 20:57.54 | tensorpudding | but the only download links are for 6-17 |
| 20:58.16 | tensorpudding | that i can tell...i've been searching sun's site navigation without success |
| 20:58.54 | themill | tensorpudding: the differences are minimal, however. (In principle only security updates although sun is slightly more lax than that) |
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| 20:59.15 | tensorpudding | well, yes i suppose so, since they are docs, it shouldn't be a deal |
| 20:59.33 | tensorpudding | but it feels a bit dishonest to download the 6u17 file and rename it 6u12 so that apt will install it |
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| 21:00.44 | themill | tensorpudding: it is, but that's part of the price you pay for using non-free software. BTW the package description implies that you should name it jdk-6-doc.zip (but I've never tried this out...) |
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| 21:01.37 | tensorpudding | it's the price i pay for trying to use it in debian, is more like it |
| 21:02.15 | tensorpudding | hmm |
| 21:02.25 | themill | judd info openjdk-6-doc |
| 21:02.25 | judd | themill: openjdk-6-doc (doc): is extra; Version: 6b11-9.1; Size: 11794.2k; Installed: 264668k -- OpenJDK Development Kit (JDK) documentation |
| 21:02.26 | tensorpudding | but it appears that the version of the docs on the site is 6u10 |
| 21:02.33 | tensorpudding | i guess they haven't updated it |
| 21:02.50 | tensorpudding | what is openjdk? |
| 21:02.52 | themill | tensorpudding: even better... (as I said, price of using non-free software) |
| 21:03.08 | themill | !openjdk |
| 21:03.09 | dpkg | OpenJDK is Sun's open source release of <Java>. All required functionality (according to the J2SE spec) is present but some optional stuff is missing and some stuff uses different implementations from Sun's binary JDK. Install the openjdk-6-jre package for the runtime environment or openjdk-6-jdk for the development kit. http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp http://openjdk.java.net/ #openjdk on irc.oftc.net. |
| 21:03.29 | tensorpudding | i thought that the sun-java6 was the open source release... |
| 21:03.37 | tensorpudding | i was deceived! |
| 21:03.51 | tensorpudding | now that i have it installed though, i don't feel much like removing it |
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| 21:11.25 | babilen | tensorpudding: there was a discussion on debian-devel about removing sun-java6-doc because it contains a number of bugs, .... the only problematic thing i can remember were people mentioning that their java browser plugin was not working with all websites |
| 21:11.58 | themill | sun-java{5,6}-*, in fact |
| 21:12.14 | oxi | what's the appropriate path to store databases/webapps/repositories? |
| 21:12.19 | tensorpudding | i would have installed openjdk if i knew |
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| 21:14.33 | themill | oxi: /srv is the FHS-designated place for the local admin to stick all that sort of stuff (although there are other places too, and some packages will default to /var/lib/mysql for example) |
| 21:14.47 | oxi | is this good practice: /srv/repos/hg/myhgrepo, /srv/repos/svn/mysvnrepo, /srv/dbs/derby/myderbydb, /srv/dbs/sqlite/mysqlitedb, /srv/webapps/www/ROOT.war, /srv/webapps/mysubdomain/mywebapp.war ? |
| 21:15.06 | oxi | themill: thanks a lot! |
| 21:15.18 | simonrvn | that's pretty good actually |
| 21:15.32 | oxi | great, I was a little unsure |
| 21:15.50 | babilen | hands the fhs award of the day to oxi |
| 21:15.52 | themill | oxi: yeah, there are many ways of laying out /srv but that's a common one. Being consistent is probably the main thing. |
| 21:15.53 | darrob | hi. could somebody give me an opinion on whether the following is possible. if i have a luks encrypted drive i can backup the luks header and erase it, thus making the drive look completely empty/random. i can then restore the header. i wonder if i could not only erase the luks header, but actually reformat the drive to make if fully functional (and empty). as long as nothing has been written to that new |
| 21:15.56 | darrob | drive partition it might be possible to restore the luks header and partition table etc. to get back to the original encrypted partition. this should work if formatting only changes things at the beginning of the drive, not all over the place. does somebody know how this works? |
| 21:16.11 | simonrvn | themill, oxi: for sure |
| 21:16.14 | oxi | themill: good, thanks |
| 21:16.26 | oxi | babilen: hehe! |
| 21:16.32 | themill | oxi: /srv/$domain/$service is one approach, /srv/$service/$domain is another. Both have their merits. |
| 21:16.42 | oxi | I see |
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| 21:17.04 | oxi | depends if it's a multi-domain host or single-domain |
| 21:17.18 | oxi | or how much stuff is on the host |
| 21:17.21 | themill | oxi: yeah. You've taken $service and extended it to $typeofservice/$service which has merits too, depending on what you're trying to achieve. |
| 21:17.35 | hikenboot | is there any way to get alien to convert a package for another arch than the one you are using if the package does not support your running arch |
| 21:17.39 | oxi | how about static web content? |
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| 21:17.48 | simonrvn | potentially useful for vserver stuff |
| 21:18.59 | oxi | ... and what do you guys use for a fast webpage, but easy to manage? I looked at many cms (joomla, drupal, xwiki, magnolia, liferay, ...) but I find them all to be kindof slow |
| 21:19.46 | oxi | doing pure xhtml/css for every editing on the hand is slow for editing |
| 21:19.52 | simonrvn | ikiwiki is my main one |
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| 21:20.09 | oxi | simonrvn: ok, I'll look at that |
| 21:20.23 | oxi | Im tending to stick to static xhtml |
| 21:20.29 | simonrvn | generates static pages from markdown source |
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| 21:20.38 | oxi | ah, that's a nice thing |
| 21:20.53 | oxi | I was actually thinking of looking for systems which can cache to static |
| 21:21.01 | simonrvn | oxi: http://simonraven.kisikew.org/ ;) |
| 21:21.37 | simonrvn | oxi: using mod_compress in lighttpd to cache/compress stuff |
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| 21:21.53 | oxi | hmm, first load was quite slow |
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| 21:22.23 | simonrvn | i blame the network |
| 21:22.43 | simonrvn | (home dsl w/ 800 kb/s upload) |
| 21:23.14 | oxi | ah, possible |
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| 21:23.30 | themill | blames all simonrvn pr0n torrents running over the same connection |
| 21:23.35 | oxi | haha |
| 21:23.38 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 21:26.30 | kanzure | hello |
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| 21:26.56 | kanzure | i have a package management system (not dpkg) that installs files on a user's box |
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| 21:27.16 | kanzure | where should i put the packages? if they shouldn't go in ~/.something/ .. is there somewhere on / for this? like in /usr maybe? |
| 21:27.47 | acu | kanzure /usr most probably |
| 21:28.06 | kanzure | anywhere in particular? |
| 21:28.15 | kanzure | the packages are "secrelty" .git repositories |
| 21:28.18 | kanzure | *secretly |
| 21:28.29 | kanzure | maybe /var? i've seen stuff putting .git repos in there (for some reason) |
| 21:28.34 | themill | kanzure: you probably shouldn't be touching things in /usr except for /usr/local unless you are the systems package manager (i.e. dpkg) |
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| 21:28.48 | kanzure | themill: ok, thanks. so /usr/local/myappname/ is ok? |
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| 21:29.34 | themill | kanzure: yes. But mixing package management systems doesn't really sound like a fun thing to do |
| 21:29.45 | kanzure | no kidding :( |
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| 21:30.01 | kanzure | themill: it's not for "system-level software", if that helps. |
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| 21:30.12 | kanzure | er why are python eggs not .deb's anyway? |
| 21:30.25 | kanzure | (this isn't for python eggs, but it might as well be for this conversation) |
| 21:30.44 | themill | kanzure: the people who work at packaging python for your system really don't like eggs. |
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| 21:31.08 | kanzure | themill: does alien support eggs yet? |
| 21:31.15 | kanzure | or do eggs support alien? (maybe that's the right question to ask) |
| 21:31.16 | themill | nfc |
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| 21:31.22 | kanzure | ok |
| 21:31.25 | kanzure | themill: thanks |
| 21:31.37 | bravvve | bablien:tooooo complicated |
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| 21:32.49 | babilen | bravvve: hmm... how far did you come? |
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| 21:33.52 | babilen | bravvve: btw, you can use the tab key to complete nick names |
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| 21:34.54 | bravvve | babilen:henh! |
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| 21:35.29 | babilen | henh? |
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| 21:36.52 | bravvve | babilen:well when truing to install irssi there wase some problem with libkde4 and kde 4,kde-base ... i had answaring yes for all questions,and finally it be installed |
| 21:37.32 | babilen | ok, that's not a very good sign, but pray continue |
| 21:38.10 | bravvve | but there was a problem with nickname |
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| 21:38.55 | babilen | bravvve: you do not need to register with nickserv (the /msg nickserv password thingie) did you try joining? could you connect to freenode? |
| 21:39.02 | bravvve | and i was stiked in some window ,i'd been obliged to restart computer to get out |
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| 21:39.27 | babilen | bravvve: sorry, i should have checked that before :-\ |
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| 21:39.38 | babilen | bravvve: you can quit irssi with /quit |
| 21:40.04 | babilen | bravvve: could you connect to freenode? |
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| 21:40.26 | bravvve | babilen:well i tried all words exept this |
| 21:40.38 | babilen | this == ? |
| 21:41.04 | bravvve | babilen:i got a broblem since #debian |
| 21:41.30 | babilen | what was the broblem? |
| 21:42.11 | bravvve | stiking in some where like a room,but no 1 speaking |
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| 21:42.35 | babilen | do you remember the name of that room? |
| 21:42.40 | qwd | I'm trying to burn a cd with a .cue file in Brasero but I get this error, anyone know what went wrong? http://pastebin.com/d7ed05be5 |
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| 21:43.02 | bravvve | babilen:freenode maby,because it was writen at the top |
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| 21:44.37 | babilen | bravvve: did a long 'welcome to freenode, connecting, ...' message scrolled by after you did /connect irc.freenode.net ? |
| 21:45.04 | bravvve | yes |
| 21:45.13 | babilen | ah ... sooo close |
| 21:45.21 | babilen | and you did /join #debian ? |
| 21:45.26 | cc1 | 345/quit |
| 21:45.33 | bravvve | and it gave me some nickname g.. some thing with number |
| 21:46.00 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 21:46.51 | bravvve | babilen:i don't remember |
| 21:47.17 | bravvve | babilen:i will try again |
| 21:48.03 | babilen | bravvve: good luck ... it's just: 'irssi' (on the console) '/connect irc.freenode.net' and '/join #debian' (in irssi) |
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| 21:48.51 | earthian | Hi again. ;) |
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| 21:51.24 | earthian | Recently I have had one "bad block" reported by SMART in one of my hard disks which I have fixed by using this howto: http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/badblockhowto.html. So even if there are no bad blocks in the disk anymore or they are remapped somehow, should I get a new replacement hard disk anyway? |
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| 21:53.23 | jmarsden | earthian: It depends on your ability to tolerate risk vs your inability to spend money... Yes, if the machine is important and you have the money to spend. Yes, if the disk is still under warranty and you can get a replacement for free. No, if you can tolerate the risk and have no cash... just make sure you do very good backups, frequently, if you choose the last option :) |
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| 21:54.03 | earthian | jmarsden, thanks :) |
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| 22:09.19 | bravvve | enfin |
| 22:09.35 | bravvve | bebilen are u here? |
| 22:09.38 | babilen | yes |
| 22:10.00 | babilen | so, you are in linux now? |
| 22:10.07 | bravvve | bebilen:the last time |
| 22:10.13 | bravvve | bebilen:yes |
| 22:10.17 | babilen | \o/ |
| 22:10.26 | bravvve | bebilen:banned what mean |
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| 22:10.37 | Kuifje111 | hi. |
| 22:10.48 | bravvve | bebilen:i don't know the word |
| 22:10.53 | Kuifje111 | is it necessary to install samba-client in order to run the samba daemon? |
| 22:10.56 | bravvve | :) |
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| 22:11.15 | babilen | bravvve: it's b_a_bilen |
| 22:11.23 | babilen | anyway... |
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| 22:11.25 | abrotman | bravvve: do you need Debian help ? |
| 22:11.41 | bravvve | babilen:sorry |
| 22:12.14 | abrotman | !fr |
| 22:12.15 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 22:12.16 | bravvve | abrotman:yes,the graphical interface dosn't start |
| 22:12.30 | babilen | bravvve: ok .. you should log into a second console (ctrl-alt-f2) and install pastebinit (aptitude install pastebinit) |
| 22:12.47 | abrotman | babilen: that's not in lenny |
| 22:12.54 | abrotman | judd: versions pastebinit |
| 22:12.55 | judd | abrotman: pastebinit -- sid: 0.10-1 lenny: 0.10-2 sid: 0.10-2 experimental: 0.11-1 sid: 0.11.2-1 squeeze: 0.11.2-1 |
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| 22:13.03 | abrotman | oh .. ignore me .. it's not in etch :) |
| 22:13.14 | babilen | damn .. |
| 22:13.38 | babilen | oh well... |
| 22:13.48 | babilen | ignores abrotman |
| 22:14.23 | bravvve | babilen:well i think that i'h started in sigle user mode |
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| 22:14.56 | Kuifje111 | does anyone know if it is necessary to install samba-client in order to run the samba daemon? |
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| 22:15.39 | abrotman | Kuifje111: does the package list the other as a dependency ? |
| 22:15.39 | babilen | bravvve: then run 'pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list' 'apt-cache policy | pastebinit' 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log' |
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| 22:18.15 | bravvve | babilen:paste...what? |
| 22:18.23 | Kuifje111 | abrotman: no, it doesnt. thanks for the info. |
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| 22:19.11 | bravvve | babilen:are u still there? |
| 22:19.15 | babilen | yes |
| 22:19.28 | bravvve | babilen:should i install what? |
| 22:19.43 | abrotman | bravvve: do you speak french better than english? |
| 22:19.52 | bravvve | yes |
| 22:20.03 | bravvve | abrotman:yes |
| 22:20.17 | babilen | !tell bravvve -about fr |
| 22:20.18 | bravvve | mais pas comme un français |
| 22:20.24 | abrotman | there is a #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net |
| 22:21.14 | bravvve | abrotman:well there is 900 connected here and there maby 50 |
| 22:21.39 | abrotman | okay .. i was just saying it might be easier |
| 22:21.44 | bravvve | abrotman:is there a problem with my english |
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| 22:22.10 | abrotman | i can tell it's not your primary language .. that's all |
| 22:22.50 | bravvve | abrotman:even french isn't |
| 22:23.27 | bravvve | babilen:tired of me |
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| 22:24.09 | bravvve | am i out? |
| 22:24.12 | babilen | bravvve: do: aptitude install pastebinit |
| 22:24.14 | bravvve | ok |
| 22:24.23 | babilen | bravvve: then run 'pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list' 'apt-cache policy | pastebinit' 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log' |
| 22:24.41 | babilen | and get the links over here |
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| 22:25.23 | _dean | hi |
| 22:25.51 | _dean | is there any reason why df would report that matwice as much storage is meing used as du |
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| 22:28.39 | bravvve | http://pastbin.com/f64f98d15 |
| 22:29.34 | abrotman | _dean: filesystem not synced ? |
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| 22:29.44 | abrotman | time to fsck the filesystem ? |
| 22:29.54 | babilen | bravvve: You use sid? |
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| 22:30.41 | do0ob | i'm back |
| 22:30.41 | bravvve | babilen:i'v installed lenny,but i was tring to update kernel |
| 22:31.01 | do0ob | plymouth sets up ok, but console setup stalls the boot process and it all just hang |
| 22:31.03 | do0ob | s |
| 22:31.09 | do0ob | i need a way to remove console setup from the startup process |
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| 22:31.20 | do0ob | i can't just remove console-setup because xorg wants it |
| 22:31.23 | bravvve | babilen:http://pastbin.com/f6896e968 |
| 22:32.01 | do0ob | maybe if i had a ubuntu kernel and its initrd i could pull it off |
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| 22:32.36 | babilen | bravvve: You can stop now. You are running an unstable system which explains all the problems you are having right now. |
| 22:33.21 | do0ob | bravvve: that pastebin link gives an error |
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| 22:33.44 | babilen | do0ob: just add an 'e' to pastbin |
| 22:33.54 | bravvve | babilen:do0ob should i repaste it? |
| 22:33.58 | do0ob | oh |
| 22:34.03 | babilen | bravvve: no, it is fine. |
| 22:34.07 | bravvve | babilen:ok |
| 22:34.12 | babilen | !sid |
| 22:34.13 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
| 22:34.15 | do0ob | got it |
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| 22:35.41 | do0ob | bravvve: what is that output? |
| 22:35.54 | bravvve | babilen:last time i was here and i was tring to install a printer,a laserjet hp 1018,and iv got a problem some one telled me that i must update the kernel |
| 22:36.29 | bravvve | do0ob:last one is apt-cache policy |
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| 22:37.35 | do0ob | bravvve: why have you got lenny ones in there? |
| 22:37.42 | bravvve | babilen:so ,should i reinstall all the system? |
| 22:38.02 | bravvve | do0ob:where? |
| 22:38.24 | do0ob | (singe you're going to reinstall) get rid of lenny from the souces list and do a full upgrade to sid |
| 22:38.47 | babilen | bravvve: that might be the best solution. And *do not* add squeeze or sid repositories to your sources.list, ok? |
| 22:38.49 | abrotman | do0ob: DO NOT TELL HIM THAT |
| 22:39.00 | do0ob | abrotman: why? |
| 22:39.27 | abrotman | because it's pretty obvious that he can't fix his computer .. why would you give him something that breaks all the time? ... seriously .. think a little bit |
| 22:39.30 | markybob | do0ob, because it's irresponsible, stuipd, retarded, etc |
| 22:39.31 | bravvve | babilen:ok,but there is a problem with lenny |
| 22:39.47 | do0ob | oh you want to stay with lenny? |
| 22:39.53 | do0ob | but have stuff from sid? |
| 22:40.07 | do0ob | isn't sid and lenny separated by a whole 'generation' |
| 22:40.11 | do0ob | squeeze |
| 22:40.14 | babilen | bravvve: The kernel you were running was too old, but there was a never one in the lenny repositories. You could have installed/upgraded it with 'aptitude update && aptitude upgrade' |
| 22:40.39 | abrotman | do0ob: please stop .. you're going to make it worse |
| 22:40.49 | do0ob | :( |
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| 22:40.52 | elli222 | lol |
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| 22:41.16 | bravvve | babilen:the 2.6.30? |
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| 22:41.20 | elli222 | i was just about to ask about bzr-gtk crashing nautilus, and then i read that :P |
| 22:41.40 | babilen | bravvve: That is what was suggested to you. Unfortunately you decided that 'new kernel' means 'install the one from sid' which was just utterly wrong and you fucked your system. |
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| 22:42.44 | babilen | bravvve: No, not the 2.6.30 one but 2.6.26+17+lenny1 (current version in stable x86) |
| 22:43.14 | bravvve | babilen:is it stable for a vaio ar88E |
| 22:44.13 | abrotman | bravvve: what's wrong with the kernel in lenny? |
| 22:44.34 | babilen | bravvve: If you *really* need a newer kernel in order to support your hardware there are better ways to install one. I would suggest that you do a reinstall now and come back if you have any problems. |
| 22:45.06 | Kuifje111 | or perhaps get another distro. |
| 22:45.15 | bravvve | babilen:the 5.0.0 is fine? |
| 22:45.19 | babilen | bravvve: Do you have any data on your linux install that you might want to backup? |
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| 22:45.40 | babilen | bravvve: 5.0.3 is what you should install (current stable) |
| 22:45.53 | abrotman | a 5.0.0 netinst will be fine |
| 22:46.00 | babilen | sure |
| 22:46.13 | bravvve | babilen:i got a problem with 5.0.3 |
| 22:46.30 | babilen | being? |
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| 22:46.56 | bravvve | babilen:graphical interface always |
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| 22:47.30 | babilen | i don't quite understand what you are trying to say. |
| 22:47.48 | bravvve | babilen:but i had not tried te reinstall it,i had a 5.0.0 kde cd i had installed it |
| 22:47.50 | abrotman | what's wrong with the GUI? |
| 22:47.55 | abrotman | and how did a new kernel fix that? |
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| 22:48.13 | mdeonte | is on ubuntu |
| 22:48.23 | mdeonte | and lirc still doesnt work |
| 22:48.48 | abrotman | tell #ubuntu ? |
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| 22:49.16 | bravvve | abrotman:i'v installed a new kernel for the printer |
| 22:49.28 | abrotman | seriously .. wtf |
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| 22:49.45 | bravvve | and for the GUI the older works and the newer not |
| 22:50.18 | markybob | rofl |
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| 22:50.45 | markybob | bravvve, sorry to break it to you, your kernel will not affect if cups supports your printer :P |
| 22:50.54 | mdeonte | lmao |
| 22:51.18 | mdeonte | abrotman, I give up |
| 22:51.37 | mdeonte | The only reason I wanted it was so it would work with Hulu Desktop |
| 22:51.56 | bravvve | markybob:well some one here tels me that i must update the kernel to get the printer driver |
| 22:52.18 | markybob | bravvve, i'm sorry that happened. that person is an idiot |
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| 22:53.04 | bravvve | markybob:mybe |
| 22:53.15 | elli222 | hmm, i think there IS printer drivers in the kernel (and no, im not the guy who told him that) as looking in the kernel source code, you can see error messages reffering to printers... |
| 22:53.15 | babilen | bravvve: You misunderstood. You were told to update all packages in your system including the kernel one, not upgrade to a newer release. |
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| 22:53.54 | abrotman | and he still shouldn't be doing that |
| 22:54.19 | babilen | abrotman: why? |
| 22:54.39 | markybob | ...because that still wont get his printer working, which is his problem? |
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| 22:54.49 | abrotman | babilen: because he would be on unstable when done .. bad idea |
| 22:55.11 | bravvve | babilen:yes i understand thant lenny's package are not compatible with sid's packages |
| 22:55.26 | abrotman | bravvve: and you shouldn't be using sid |
| 22:55.37 | babilen | abrotman: ah, yes sure. I understood 'that' as 'install security updates as was suggested to him' |
| 22:55.44 | markybob | bravvve, let's start by you telling us what printer you have |
| 22:56.08 | bravvve | markybob:hp laserjet 1018 |
| 22:56.11 | abrotman | hopes it's an HP LaserJet III |
| 22:56.37 | markybob | bravvve, http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-LaserJet_1018 |
| 22:56.47 | Kuifje111 | i've got a Canon something. |
| 22:56.48 | markybob | you need foo2zjs |
| 22:56.55 | markybob | Kuifje111, good for you |
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| 22:57.54 | babilen | bravvve: Just reinstall your system and come back for help with your printer. Do you have any data you might want to backup? |
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| 22:58.32 | bravvve | babilen:yes |
| 22:59.29 | bravvve | babilen:is there a solution to copy them to ntfs partition? |
| 22:59.44 | babilen | bravvve: Ok, i assume that you would like to backup your home directory. Is it on a seperate partition? |
| 22:59.53 | bravvve | yes |
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| 23:00.40 | babilen | bravvve: ok, you *do not* need to delete that partition or create a new filesystem on it. Just leave it as it is and use it as your new home. |
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| 23:01.22 | babilen | bravvve: I would still suggest to create a backup and booting from a live cd might be the easiest solution ... you can then burn the files to a DVD |
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| 23:02.17 | babilen | I have never used NTFS and can't help you with that. It might be possible (i recall that there is some basic writing functionality for ntfs) but you need someone else to help you with that. |
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| 23:02.40 | markybob | !tell bravvve about ntfs-3g |
| 23:02.47 | bravvve | babilen:ok |
| 23:02.51 | babilen | markybob: :-) |
| 23:03.20 | bravvve | markybob:even for writing |
| 23:03.25 | bravvve | ? |
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| 23:03.38 | babilen | !ntfs-3g |
| 23:03.39 | markybob | bravvve, yes. ntfs-3g |
| 23:03.39 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. Packaged for Debian, available for Lenny or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org etch> for instructions). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage . Ask me about <user accessible ntfs>. |
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| 23:04.02 | babilen | sounds better than i expected :-) |
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| 23:04.20 | bravvve | markybob:i use it for reading |
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| 23:04.36 | bravvve | ntfs-3g |
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| 23:06.29 | babilen | bravvve: i guess you know what to do now. good luck! |
| 23:06.54 | bravvve | abrotman:thank u |
| 23:07.11 | bravvve | do0ob:thank u |
| 23:07.26 | bravvve | markybob:thank u |
| 23:07.58 | bravvve | babilen:thank you and good night |
| 23:08.15 | babilen | good night ... |
| 23:09.02 | bravvve | good night,and sory for my english :-) |
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| 23:09.12 | bravvve | ops |
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| 23:09.57 | lfuser-743 | hi |
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| 23:16.31 | deco | i'm going to manually fetch netowrk-manager-gnome from a different pc to my laptop via a usb flash drive, what are the packages needed to install network manager ? |
| 23:16.59 | markybob | deco see for yourself. http://packages.debian.org/network-manager-gnome |
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| 23:17.17 | deco | markybob: ah yes thanks |
| 23:17.23 | mercutio22 | no xbmc in the repos? |
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| 23:17.42 | abrotman | the game? |
| 23:17.50 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind .. no i don't think it's there |
| 23:18.28 | mercutio22 | the media center like thingy |
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| 23:20.10 | abrotman | mercutio22: http://bugs.debian.org/469397 |
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| 23:23.00 | mercutio22 | abrotman: it'd be so nice to have that =] |
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| 23:23.07 | abrotman | so package it |
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| 23:28.15 | jpinx-eeepc | wraps it up in Xmas paper and installs it on abrotman s tree |
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| 23:29.41 | do0ob | hi |
| 23:29.49 | do0ob | how can i remove console-setup from startup? |
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| 23:30.40 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 23:30.55 | do0ob | abrotman: ? |
| 23:31.06 | do0ob | abrotman: was that due to my statement? |
| 23:31.35 | jpinx-eeepc | do0ob: what release are you running? |
| 23:31.49 | do0ob | debian sid of course |
| 23:31.54 | do0ob | but console setup isn't broken |
| 23:31.55 | abrotman | of course .. |
| 23:32.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Ah - of course |
| 23:32.41 | themill | do0ob: why are you running "sid of course"? |
| 23:32.47 | jpinx-eeepc | that means you have enough expertise to manage it and deal with issues that come up in the bleeding edge of developement |
| 23:32.55 | do0ob | themill: for all the latest stuff |
| 23:32.59 | themill | ... |
| 23:33.02 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
| 23:33.02 | dpkg | somebody said sns syndrome was a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 23:33.17 | jpinx-eeepc | do0ob: what "latest stuff!"? |
| 23:33.27 | do0ob | its not, i'm installing plymouth and its messing with the startup process |
| 23:33.28 | jpinx-eeepc | define your reason |
| 23:33.42 | markybob | do0ob, basically, if you cant fix your own shit, no one cares about you running sid. have fun |
| 23:33.45 | jpinx-eeepc | judd: versions plymouth |
| 23:33.46 | judd | jpinx-eeepc: plymouth -- experimental: 0.6.0-1 |
| 23:33.51 | do0ob | console setup is messing with plymouth's startup process |
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| 23:34.01 | themill | do0ob: then enjoy all the latest bugs and practicing your manual reading and google skills. As a general rule, we don't support sid users in #debian because they should be sufficiently competent to fix their own boxes. |
| 23:34.20 | do0ob | can't just tell me how to remove a service from startup? |
| 23:34.25 | jpinx-eeepc | or sensible enough to run stable with backports |
| 23:34.41 | themill | do0ob: no. You should know that already *before* running sid. And we told you that several times already. |
| 23:34.47 | jpinx-eeepc | do0ob: no - if you can't do that - don't run sid |
| 23:35.05 | do0ob | ok well if i edit the init script will dpkg warn me before overwriting it with a new script from a newer version? |
| 23:35.07 | amphi | do0ob: if you don't know such things, sid is _really_ not suitable for you |
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| 23:35.15 | jpinx-eeepc | do0ob: did you even bother to look into backporting plymouth into stable? |
| 23:35.20 | do0ob | amphi: oh common, i've run sid for years |
| 23:35.32 | abrotman | and you still don't know how to keep a process from starting at boot ? |
| 23:35.35 | jpinx-eeepc | do0ob: I don't believe that for a minute |
| 23:35.39 | do0ob | jpinx-eeepc: nope |
| 23:35.41 | amphi | *shrug* |
| 23:35.53 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell do0ob about ssb |
| 23:36.13 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell do0ob about sid |
| 23:36.19 | abrotman | except he's trying to backport from experimental apparently |
| 23:36.20 | ranix | judd: versions python |
| 23:36.20 | judd | ranix: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.4-2 squeeze: 2.5.4-2 experimental: 2.5.4-3 |
| 23:36.21 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell do0ob about backports |
| 23:36.22 | abrotman | or compile from source |
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| 23:36.30 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: i don't think he really cares |
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| 23:36.52 | do0ob | jpinx-eeepc: i don't want stable, i like sid |
| 23:36.55 | jpinx-eeepc | pearls before swine...... |
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| 23:37.04 | markybob | do0ob, that's fine. we just dont care. get it? |
| 23:37.13 | do0ob | -_- |
| 23:37.29 | jpinx-eeepc | if you really want help do0ob take the advice being offered ! |
| 23:38.43 | jpinx-eeepc | do0ob: come back and tell us you have installed stable, backports, looked at ssb - and we will happily take an active interest in getting your system working |
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| 23:39.22 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: you do realize that he can't ssb it .. and it still doesn't answer his question |
| 23:39.37 | jpinx-eeepc | that's not the point |
| 23:39.50 | abrotman | well .. what you're suggesting won't technially help him either |
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| 23:40.23 | jpinx-eeepc | looks up plymouth - whartever that is |
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| 23:41.31 | do0ob | jpinx-eeepc: see, now don't you want to install it too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JdGOyB2p-U |
| 23:42.18 | markybob | do0ob, fedora 11 beta? fedora 12 is stable |
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| 23:42.22 | do0ob | this one is better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrcYYIiupe8 |
| 23:42.23 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf is it http://packages.debian.org/experimental/plymouth |
| 23:42.32 | abrotman | yes, that's it |
| 23:42.53 | jpinx-eeepc | is none the wiser, and youtube is too slow |
| 23:43.22 | djp_ | is apm the app i should use if i want to monitor my netbooks battery? also, is pm-utils the best option for suspend functionality? |
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| 23:44.08 | porton | To install intel-microcode package with a Core2Duo CPU is good idea? |
| 23:44.28 | do0ob | djp_: kde4 has a nice widget on the panel that shows it, you can switch between power saving profiles by clicking on it |
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| 23:45.04 | djp_ | do0ob: i don't have x installed. |
| 23:45.13 | abrotman | djp_: unles your laptop is pretty old .. you want ACPI |
| 23:46.01 | djp_ | abrotman: tried installing acpi, however package not found. is it called acpi? |
| 23:46.30 | djp_ | abrotman: i'm using debian mipsel by the way |
| 23:46.35 | abrotman | there is acpi and acpid |
| 23:46.42 | abrotman | oh, not sure if mipsel has it |
| 23:47.13 | do0ob | if you don't have X, then how do you intend to keep the battery status on the screen? |
| 23:47.21 | djp_ | abrotman: no... doesn't appear to... |
| 23:47.26 | abrotman | do0ob: there are other ways |
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| 23:47.31 | do0ob | like? |
| 23:47.51 | franki^ | using gnu screen and writing it in the status line? |
| 23:47.52 | djp_ | abrotman: which should i choose from apm or pm-utils, or do both do different things? |
| 23:47.55 | franki^ | if thta works i should do it |
| 23:47.58 | franki^ | :) |
| 23:48.03 | do0ob | oh is there like a console based notification bar with a tabbed terminal but in cli? |
| 23:48.04 | abrotman | do0ob: you're a smart guy .. you run sid .. you should be able to figure it out |
| 23:48.15 | do0ob | meh |
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| 23:48.29 | do0ob | well i've modified my console_setup init script, so i'm off to test it, bye |
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| 23:48.39 | abrotman | djp_: if acpi is available .. i'd try that first .. i don't have MIPS hardware anymore .. so i can't tell you if that's the right one |
| 23:48.44 | oh_noes | are renames on ext3 instant? (would they fail if it was instantly powered off in the middle of them?) |
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| 23:49.42 | jpinx-eeepc | oh_noes: depends on how many - if it went off in the middle of a gazillion renames it might not get them all |
| 23:50.00 | jpinx-eeepc | but you can run the command again |
| 23:50.22 | simonrvn | franki^: screen-profiles / byobu |
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| 23:51.54 | franki^ | simonrvn: i've heard it/them before, i guess i should try it out, it's probably far superior to my screenrc :) |
| 23:52.09 | simonrvn | it effing rocks |
| 23:52.37 | oh_noes | jpinx-eeepc: obviously :p ... i mean, "mv dot dot1" |
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| 23:52.45 | oh_noes | if that one command instant |
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| 23:53.07 | marius07_ | acu are you there |
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| 23:53.37 | avu | oh_noes, it isn't. nothing is. |
| 23:54.15 | acu | yes of course |
| 23:54.35 | avu | oh_noes, the progam (mv) starts, does commandline parsing, invokes a C function which in the end invokes a syscall, the process switches to kernel space, the kernel calls into the VFS layer, which calls the file system driver, which does the actual write operation |
| 23:54.45 | abrotman | overload! |
| 23:54.50 | avu | if at any point during this the power fails, the rename doesn't happen. |
| 23:55.02 | acu | marius07_ I am here call me on Ekiga |
| 23:55.06 | abrotman | avu: you also forgot that the filesystem isn't mounted synchronously .. |
| 23:55.21 | avu | abrotman, I left out quite a few things, yes :( |
| 23:55.38 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:55.38 | marius07_ | open a dialog with me please, i can-t do it |
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| 23:56.33 | oh_noes | avu: yep i get that,then in the write op inside the syscall, is that instant? What happens if power is pulled inisde the system call |
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| 23:57.42 | kriebz | then you'd better use a journailing FS, or fsck will have to pick up the pieces |
| 23:57.49 | avu | oh_noes, the syscall isn't atomic, no, and I already tried to convey that. there are multiple layers of the kernel involved, and it's all just normal function calls |
| 23:58.17 | d1b | oh noes! |
| 23:59.05 | d1b | oh_noes: don't expect everything to be atomic. |
| 23:59.26 | kriebz | not with Greenpeace protesting against it all the time |
| 23:59.29 | kriebz | ducks |
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