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| 00:00.06 | kstarr | no, thats the one i wanted you to see http://greener-better.com/ |
| 00:00.27 | oh_noes | d1b: i dont expect everything, but I can't ask if it is can't I? :) |
| 00:01.42 | d1b | oh_noes: assume very little is atomic :) |
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| 00:02.39 | nevyn | grumbles about device enumeration |
| 00:02.52 | kstarr | I meant this one: http://2ndh.com/ |
| 00:03.10 | d1b | oh_noes: you can call "sync" if you have an UPS which will only last for a short time. |
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| 00:03.50 | themill | kstarr: wrong channel? |
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| 00:04.05 | abrotman | thought so .. |
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| 00:04.32 | oh_noes | d1b: yep thx, im actually trying to debug a problem in our application and we've found if we lose power and we're in the middle of a rename we're losing everything and our file is corrupted |
| 00:04.47 | d1b | oh_noes: what file system ? |
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| 00:04.58 | oh_noes | d1b, so im nto sure the best way, my guess is we need to redo our algorithm. At the moment we're doing copy to file.new, flush, rename back to file |
| 00:05.03 | oh_noes | d1b: ext3 defaults |
| 00:05.39 | d1b | oh_noes: why do you need to store it in a file ? ... database...? |
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| 00:06.47 | oh_noes | d1b: yeh well its my own application storing a few things |
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| 00:08.13 | linuxguy2009 | Anyone have a Broadcom BCM4312 on my Dell Mini and Im wanting to switch back to the good old reliable debian install. How can I get that card to work? |
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| 00:09.27 | abrotman | !4312 |
| 00:09.31 | abrotman | !bcm4312 |
| 00:09.32 | dpkg | Broadcom BCM4312-based wireless LAN devices are supported by the <b43> driver, except the low-power PCIe (PCI-Id 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB") in kernels < 2.6.32. If you have this specific device, ask me about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. Initial support is available in b43 from <compat-wireless>, which requires b43-fwcutter from Git and firmware 4.174.64.19; see http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#fw-b43-lp for details. |
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| 00:09.38 | adb | broadcom-sta |
| 00:09.40 | do0ob | well it worked the first time and then stopped, so i guess i have to give up on plymouth |
| 00:09.55 | abrotman | !tell linuxguy2009 about wl |
| 00:10.33 | themill | judd versions broadcom-sta-source |
| 00:10.34 | judd | themill: broadcom-sta-source -- sid/non-free: 5.10.91.9.3-1 |
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| 00:11.16 | linuxguy2009 | Right so does anyone know how to get it working? |
| 00:11.35 | abrotman | see what the bot told you |
| 00:11.46 | linuxguy2009 | Yeah already did. |
| 00:12.13 | linuxguy2009 | Its nice to have a human to explain sometimes. |
| 00:12.20 | themill | linuxguy2009: you need to identify precisely which device you have and work out which driver supports it. The debian wiki will tell you that. |
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| 00:12.34 | linuxguy2009 | I have a BCM4312 |
| 00:12.47 | linuxguy2009 | Thats precisely what I have |
| 00:12.58 | themill | there are a number of devices that go by that name. the PCI-id would be handy (lspci -nn) |
| 00:13.13 | abrotman | speaks in botuguese |
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| 00:14.16 | hyperactivething | my vt6102 rhine-II (1106:3065) card doesn't work. It says "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready". Help? |
| 00:14.19 | hyperactivething | the module is loaded (via_rhine) |
| 00:14.57 | abrotman | check the cable/swtich ? |
| 00:16.09 | hyperactivething | abrotman: works fine |
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| 00:16.37 | hyperactivething | abrotman: the led doesn't even light up |
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| 00:16.56 | _SKiTZO | if i put "hosts: dns files" in /ets/nsswitch.conf does that mean that /etc/hosts is only used if dns failed? |
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| 00:17.52 | abrotman | hyperactivething: so you've plugged that cable into another machine ? |
| 00:18.10 | hyperactivething | yes, and it worked without a hitch |
| 00:19.11 | jpinx-eeepc | is it possible to run a 19" wide-screen monitor in portrait mode even if the maker does not specify it in their hardware spec ? http://hk.viewsonic.com/en/products/lcdtv/specs.php?n=N1900w |
| 00:19.38 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: using linux ? |
| 00:20.12 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: i'd say it depends more on the video card being able to rotate with xrandr |
| 00:20.14 | abrotman | hyperactivething: dmesg | grep eth .. anything look fishy ? |
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| 00:21.25 | hyperactivething | abrotman: after doing modprobe -r via_rhine; modprobe via_rhine |
| 00:22.10 | hyperactivething | abrotman: it says "mii phy found at address ..." |
| 00:22.17 | hyperactivething | abrotman: "eth1: link down" |
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| 00:22.26 | hyperactivething | abrotman: "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready" |
| 00:22.37 | hyperactivething | abrotman: I'm connecting it directl to another PC, btw |
| 00:23.03 | abrotman | with a crossover cable ? |
| 00:23.15 | smacnay | hmm, I cannot seem to print images - I get a cups error - "/usr/lib/cups/filter/pdftopdf failed" |
| 00:23.28 | hyperactivething | abrotman: no, but I thought it wasn't necessary any more |
| 00:23.39 | abrotman | hyperactivething: depends on the NICs in question |
| 00:24.04 | hyperactivething | abrotman: I'll do a bit of searching on the interwebs |
| 00:24.05 | markybob | unless you connect them together through a switch/hub |
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| 00:24.45 | abrotman | obviously |
| 00:24.56 | markybob | you'd hope so :P |
| 00:25.58 | nevyn | so when did linux stop being deterministic about ethernet device nameing? |
| 00:26.25 | abrotman | nevyn: udev names the devices now .. if that's what you're getting at |
| 00:26.47 | themill | was it ever deterministic? |
| 00:26.55 | nevyn | themill: sure. |
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| 00:27.10 | zinx | themill: no |
| 00:27.15 | nevyn | themill: from reboot to reboot you were garunteed the same order |
| 00:27.29 | themill | ha! |
| 00:27.35 | zinx | nevyn: no. it always numbered them in the order they were detected. |
| 00:27.53 | zinx | nevyn: you can use deterministic naming, but you have to set it up yourself |
| 00:27.56 | nevyn | zinx: but it used to detect with a straightforward walk |
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| 00:28.08 | nevyn | zinx: so if you added devices all bets were off |
| 00:28.21 | themill | nevyn: no, there were always enough race conditions involved that devices could swap on you |
| 00:28.25 | hyperactivething | well looky that, crossover cable was needed |
| 00:28.27 | nevyn | sigh |
| 00:28.32 | nevyn | ok |
| 00:28.36 | hyperactivething | good think I had a crappy hub laying around |
| 00:28.39 | hyperactivething | thanks for the help :) |
| 00:28.52 | nevyn | so you used to be able to define module aliases that made this owkr |
| 00:28.56 | nevyn | s/owrk/work |
| 00:29.02 | nevyn | now you have to right udev rules. |
| 00:29.22 | themill | nevyn: they should be written automatically for you. |
| 00:29.22 | abrotman | write ? |
| 00:29.35 | zinx | nevyn: no you don't |
| 00:29.50 | abrotman | i'd personally be happier if there were some way that udev could suspend a rule for a device that isn't detected .. |
| 00:29.52 | zinx | nevyn: actually, i'm not sure how much udev even has to do with ethernet devices |
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| 00:30.01 | abrotman | zinx: udev names them |
| 00:30.06 | themill | !70 |
| 00:30.07 | dpkg | udev has the ability to statically rename Ethernet cards based on MAC address since version 0.090. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (Lenny, Squeeze) or /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules (Etch). If you want the mappings to change, edit the respective file. To apply changes: "udevadm trigger" ("udevtrigger" on Etch) or reload the relevant driver module. See also <forcedeth mac>, <udev>. |
| 00:30.08 | zinx | abrotman: it does? o_O |
| 00:30.14 | zinx | abrotman: i thought udev only did devices |
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| 00:30.23 | zinx | abrotman: which, in Linux, ethernet interfaces are not :/ |
| 00:30.24 | abrotman | zinx: see the file the bot just mentioned |
| 00:30.40 | zinx | abrotman: weird |
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| 00:31.01 | analog | How do I permanently set my locale's LC_TIME variable? Something changes it every time I login but it's not in my .bashrc or .bash_profile files |
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| 00:31.33 | markybob | zinx, that's about as weird as the sun setting in the west |
| 00:31.39 | abrotman | zinx: are you a sad puppy now ? |
| 00:31.42 | GimpMachine | i have a hard drive with irreplacable data on it.... hard drive failure after a power outage |
| 00:31.57 | et | the sun setting in the west is weird as hell |
| 00:32.03 | zinx | abrotman: yes |
| 00:32.07 | markybob | GimpMachine, shame on you for not having backups. your fault...deal. |
| 00:32.24 | GimpMachine | mount -o /dev/hdd5 /storage |
| 00:32.25 | GimpMachine | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd5, |
| 00:32.25 | GimpMachine | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.25 | GimpMachine | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.25 | GimpMachine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:32.36 | markybob | dumbass |
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| 00:32.58 | GimpMachine | ... |
| 00:33.01 | themill | dpkg: tell GimpMachine about paste |
| 00:33.14 | markybob | GimpMachine, dont be stupid, and you wont get kicked |
| 00:33.36 | GimpMachine | i wasnt trying to be stupid, i'm seeking help |
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| 00:33.38 | abrotman | GimpMachine: uname -a |
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| 00:33.56 | GimpMachine | thanks for the vote of confidence |
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| 00:34.13 | markybob | GimpMachine, you not having backups doesnt really inspire confidence |
| 00:34.14 | abrotman | or don't answer ... |
| 00:34.22 | GimpMachine | Linux 4100 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:34.38 | abrotman | GimpMachine: you do realize you're not doing the mount command correctly .. right ? |
| 00:35.01 | GimpMachine | the fs type is reiserfs |
| 00:35.16 | abrotman | yeah .. here's another hint .. don't put data that matters on reiserfs |
| 00:35.41 | GimpMachine | well i didntknow that when i first created the partition when i first dabbling in linux on suse 9.1 |
| 00:36.05 | maligor | the -o option you specifies expect the next input to be option |
| 00:36.26 | Sibul | arg, i just --purged pdns-server package and when i do /etc/init.d/bind9 restart i got "Stopping domain name service...: bind9Warning: $RESOLVCONF_UPDATE_FORWARDERS not defined in /etc/default/pdns." - where did it hook into?!? |
| 00:36.27 | GimpMachine | i have another hard drive to back it to to, i just need to be able to access my data on the drive |
| 00:37.01 | markybob | oh, you thinking backing up after shit hits is a good idea...outstanding! |
| 00:37.08 | maligor | perhaps you mean mount -o ro /dev/hdd5 /storage ? |
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| 00:37.56 | themill | markybob: perhaps it's time to change that record... I suspect your point is made. |
| 00:38.15 | jmarsden | markybob: Well, if the drive has a physical issue, attempting an image copy using ddrescue or similar would not be a bad idea... |
| 00:38.18 | GimpMachine | that gives me the same error, maligor |
| 00:38.52 | GimpMachine | jmarsden, how can i find out if its a physical error or a partition? |
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| 00:39.12 | abrotman | GimpMachine: is it a filesystem problem or a hardware problem ? |
| 00:39.37 | GimpMachine | markybob, i just acquired a hard drive to back it up to while i was out when the power failure occcured |
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| 00:39.51 | GimpMachine | abrotman, i'm not sure how to find out |
| 00:39.59 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: what am I looking for in xrandr in that box to see if it'll rotate? |
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| 00:40.11 | jmarsden | GimpMachine: Well, did you get any strange noises when you restarted it, clicks or anything? That would be one clue. fdisk -l /dev/hdd5 will show you if you can at least read a valid partition table from the drive |
| 00:40.43 | maligor | GimpMachine, if you have the space, you should also make a image of it before anything else |
| 00:40.48 | hoo-hah | hello. in squeeze, I noticed that aptitude update, 'g', marks libesd-alsa0 for removal. This does not prompt me for intervention, but when all actions are performed (there were many updates on the system) aptitude mentions that mplayer-nogui depends on it, but will remove it anyway |
| 00:40.55 | markybob | jpinx-eeepc, you can try xrandr -o left |
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| 00:41.12 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: just type xrandr |
| 00:41.16 | hoo-hah | I found the corresponding bug for it @ http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=555859 One of the later posts also mentions this r-deps breakdown |
| 00:41.27 | jpinx-eeepc | markybob: I don't actually have the box and screen yet - it's a maybe purchase ;) |
| 00:41.31 | GimpMachine | no strange noises..... |
| 00:41.38 | jmarsden | GimpMachine: You can also check your log files for any entries suggesting errors reading sectors of that drive, etc. |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | GimpMachine: what is the actual error from mounting ? use a pastebin |
| 00:42.31 | hyperactivething | abrotman: haha I like the preemptive strike, "use a pastebin" |
| 00:42.47 | abrotman | he already triggered the flood protection once |
| 00:43.17 | hoo-hah | is this safe to ignore? I notice rdeps for mplayer-nogui indicate libesd0|libesd-alsa0 |
| 00:43.24 | hyperactivething | alrighty, thanks again, gotta go |
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| 00:43.59 | markybob | jpinx-eeepc, i work at a medical clinic (90% of montiors that we have are in portrait)...i cant name of a single monitor/video card made in the last 4 years that we've had problems with |
| 00:44.38 | jpinx-eeepc | markybob: thanks - so it'll be down to the onboard video card |
| 00:44.58 | markybob | jpinx-eeepc, we have plenty of intel onboard video cards. no problems |
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| 00:45.45 | jpinx-eeepc | markybob: in my 701 eeepc I have a celeron and xrandr -o left errors out |
| 00:46.27 | markybob | jpinx-eeepc, i'm not surprised to see that on a laptop |
| 00:46.30 | hoo-hah | markybob: and are they all running linux? |
| 00:46.41 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: i already said that! |
| 00:46.43 | markybob | hoo-hah, most of them, yes. there are a few that arent |
| 00:46.55 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: type just 'xrandr' .. it will show you which ways it can rotate |
| 00:47.07 | abrotman | VGA disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) |
| 00:47.16 | abrotman | for example |
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| 00:47.41 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: did that - hence my comment - in the 701 it doesn't appear to have that ability, unless it might be different for an external monitor |
| 00:47.45 | markybob | why would you want it inverted on a laptop, anyway? that'd be terrible if you cant physically rotate the monitor |
| 00:48.07 | jmarsden | markybob: You can.. it just rotates the keyboard too... |
| 00:48.16 | markybob | *blinks* |
| 00:48.27 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: well if you don't have the actual machine .. it's not going to be helpful |
| 00:48.45 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: I can get the guy to try it |
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| 00:48.58 | abrotman | okay |
| 00:49.31 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ..... is there is an alternative for pidgin ( skip kopete ) |
| 00:49.48 | markybob | cobra-the-joker, emptahy ? |
| 00:49.51 | mercutio22 | How do I find the visualizations in amarok? |
| 00:49.56 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: here is the 701 http://pastebin.com/f5789c568r |
| 00:50.01 | markybob | cobra-the-joker, empathy* |
| 00:50.08 | jpinx-eeepc | Ooops - ignore that trailing "r" |
| 00:50.10 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: 404 |
| 00:50.21 | cobra-the-joker | markybob , ok |
| 00:50.22 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: here is the 701 http://pastebin.com/f5789c568 |
| 00:50.23 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: right .. so it can't do much of anything |
| 00:50.31 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: but my netbook can rotate the screen |
| 00:51.20 | jpinx-eeepc | well it is no surprise really - I have the most basic netbook in existencem, hence my upgrading efforts |
| 00:51.35 | mercutio22 | amarok used to have visualizations right? |
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| 00:56.21 | ponky_ | cobra-the-joker: irssi + bitlbee ;) |
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| 00:58.14 | cobra-the-joker | ponky , CLI :D |
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| 00:58.36 | ponky | cobra-the-joker: ofc |
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| 00:59.15 | cobra-the-joker | Empathy and Pidgin dont work on yahoo :S |
| 00:59.29 | markybob | pidgin works on yahoo |
| 00:59.35 | markybob | so long as you have a recent version |
| 00:59.42 | cobra-the-joker | thats the problem |
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| 00:59.59 | cobra-the-joker | and also empathy ....it needs the latest libpurple package |
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| 01:00.19 | markybob | cobra-the-joker, lenny backports has a working pidgin version |
| 01:00.27 | markybob | cobra-the-joker, http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/pidgin |
| 01:00.27 | cobra-the-joker | mmmm ok |
| 01:00.28 | GimpMachine | http://paste.debian.net/52771/ |
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| 01:01.25 | GimpMachine | http://paste.debian.net/52772/ |
| 01:05.39 | cobra-the-joker | markybob --> http://paste.debian.net/52773/ ...... any thing wrong ? |
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| 01:07.21 | mrlolplx | does anyone know what to do if you delete alot of files, mostly large files and the drive keeps being full? |
| 01:07.27 | cobra-the-joker | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 01:08.27 | simonrvn | !no public key |
| 01:08.28 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. The current key will be linked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/. |
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| 01:08.30 | markybob | cobra-the-joker, you didnt read all of the instructions |
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| 01:08.43 | markybob | cobra-the-joker, apt-get install debian-backports-keyring |
| 01:08.43 | markybob | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.50 | simonrvn | erm, why both? |
| 01:10.12 | jmarsden | GimpMachine: That looks like a hardware issue to me. |
| 01:10.24 | GimpMachine | alright |
| 01:10.30 | GimpMachine | i was scared of that |
| 01:10.40 | cobra-the-joker | markybob , nothing ....still pidgin not updated :| |
| 01:11.02 | GimpMachine | what would you do next to recover as much as possible off of that drive? |
| 01:11.24 | jmarsden | GimpMachine: So you might want to try using dd_rescue to image the drive, as a first step. |
| 01:11.27 | cobra-the-joker | and i did a aptitude update |
| 01:11.29 | GimpMachine | i got pix of my kid, some mp3's, music videos, and other random assorted crap |
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| 01:12.20 | jmarsden | GimpMachine: Interesting definition of "irreplaceable data" other than the pictures of your kid... but OK. |
| 01:12.36 | dragon | there's a command to list all the modified config files on the system since default install. Anyone knows what i'm talking about? |
| 01:13.11 | GimpMachine | meh, dont be so critical |
| 01:13.51 | GimpMachine | dd_rescue: command not found -- What package is that command a part of? |
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| 01:14.51 | adb | cobra-the-joker, tried ? > aptitude reinstall pidgin |
| 01:15.15 | abrotman | GimpMachine: that is a seriously dying drive |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | GimpMachine: do make sure the cables are seated properly |
| 01:15.48 | cobra-the-joker | adb , still pidgin 2.4.3 |
| 01:16.05 | jmarsden | GimpMachine: ddrescue |
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| 01:17.53 | cobra-the-joker | i am using a webBased WebClient :S |
| 01:17.58 | GimpMachine | brb in a few.... afk for now |
| 01:18.00 | adb | cobra-the-joker, yes , but must have some bpo* in name > see pidgin_2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40 |
| 01:18.03 | GimpMachine | and thanks all for the help |
| 01:18.27 | cobra-the-joker | adb , Preparing to replace pidgin 2.4.3-4lenny5 (using .../pidgin_2.4.3-4lenny5_i386.deb) ... |
| 01:19.04 | adb | your update went wrong then .. |
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| 01:20.05 | cobra-the-joker | aha ..it didnt read the backports :S |
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| 01:21.37 | handheldCar | anybody know the difference between mysql-client and -server and if I need both or which one for LAMP or a MySQL database? |
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| 01:22.04 | cobra-the-joker | thats my aptitude update --> http://paste.debian.net/52775/ |
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| 01:22.07 | nevyn | handheldCar: you need server you probably want client as well tho |
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| 01:26.26 | handheldCar | nevyn: thx that's what I did. wasn't sure. think I had -server before and made a test database. |
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| 01:26.50 | cobra-the-joker | oMY X crashed :( |
| 01:27.24 | cobra-the-joker | and the system is acting really wierd |
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| 01:27.57 | cobra-the-joker | i am talking now from irssi |
| 01:28.05 | cobra-the-joker | its really cool BTW :D |
| 01:28.52 | cobra-the-joker | any body here ? |
| 01:28.53 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: yeah, its great. By the way check this out: |
| 01:28.57 | mercutio22 | ops |
| 01:29.00 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: |
| 01:29.07 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: http://pthree.org/2007/03/21/irssi-gui-notify/ |
| 01:29.11 | mercutio22 | dang |
| 01:29.25 | cobra-the-joker | i dont have a webBrowser actually |
| 01:29.27 | handheldCar | wget and grep it dude |
| 01:29.57 | cobra-the-joker | you know any console webBrowsers ? |
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| 01:30.04 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: yeah |
| 01:30.11 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: lemme remember |
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| 01:30.17 | manug | cobra-the-joker, lynx |
| 01:30.23 | cobra-the-joker | ok ok |
| 01:30.33 | mercutio22 | yeah.. lynx |
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| 01:31.32 | babilen | w3m, links2, ... |
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| 01:31.39 | cobra-the-joker | i will restart ....i hope X dont fail again |
| 01:31.45 | muddd | when in xfce4 i use 1280x1024, but when i fresh boot or reboot its always different... where do i start? |
| 01:31.59 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: what do you suspect happened? |
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| 01:34.08 | mdeonte | https://monteledwards.com/?p=20 |
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| 01:34.37 | flazer | i have a question about bootable usb drive setup |
| 01:34.40 | flazer | can anyone help? |
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| 01:35.53 | cobra-the-joker | does installing KDE beside Gnome would affect performance ? |
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| 01:38.15 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: it should only take more disk space as far as I know |
| 01:38.29 | cobra-the-joker | mmmm ...ok |
| 01:38.32 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: did you get X back? |
| 01:38.39 | cobra-the-joker | yes |
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| 01:39.25 | cobra-the-joker | i hope i could atleast compile pidgin |
| 01:40.03 | manug | how come you're compiling it? |
| 01:40.48 | cobra-the-joker | manug , i downloaded the latest source from the website ( 2.6.3 ) and now installing build-essential |
| 01:40.53 | amphi | flazer: just ask |
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| 01:42.00 | manug | cobra-the-joker, ooh ok. why aren't you just using the .deb? |
| 01:42.21 | Drakeson | how come aptitude shows Tags in one machine but not in the other machine? what I am missing on the other machine? |
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| 01:42.49 | cobra-the-joker | manug , i cant find it on the website ....when i click ubuntu , it says import some keyrings and stuff like that ...i tried all of them but with no luck |
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| 01:43.50 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: why not use pidgin from the repository? |
| 01:43.55 | abrotman | Drakeson: such as ? |
| 01:44.09 | abrotman | Drakeson: you may need the debtags package |
| 01:44.48 | cobra-the-joker | mercutio22 , its outadet ....and it have a problem with yahoo in specific |
| 01:44.58 | cobra-the-joker | and i use Yahoo exclusivly :D |
| 01:45.26 | cobra-the-joker | outdated * |
| 01:45.27 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: are you using lenny or squeeze? |
| 01:45.37 | cobra-the-joker | mercutio22 , lenny ...5.0.1 |
| 01:45.52 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: maybe you should consider squeeze. |
| 01:46.16 | mercutio22 | cobra-the-joker: it might be fixed there |
| 01:46.47 | cobra-the-joker | squeeze ?? |
| 01:47.22 | manug | cobra-the-joker, it's the upcoming "testing" release, it has newer packages |
| 01:47.45 | Drakeson | abrotman: that was it. thanks. |
| 01:48.05 | cobra-the-joker | i am coming from fedora because of the testing packages :( |
| 01:48.40 | adb | cobra-the-joker, and backports is installed ? |
| 01:48.58 | babilen | !tell cobra-the-joker -about ssb |
| 01:49.00 | babilen | !tell cobra-the-joker -about bpo |
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| 01:49.15 | adb | babilen, he know , but .. |
| 01:49.28 | babilen | but? |
| 01:50.04 | adb | he don't want them .. |
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| 01:50.35 | babilen | alright... |
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| 01:50.55 | abrotman | cobra-the-joker: the pidgin in backports.org should work |
| 01:51.25 | cobra-the-joker | oops ...it was my fault all the time |
| 01:51.43 | cobra-the-joker | i had to write apt-get -t lenny-backports |
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| 01:51.57 | cobra-the-joker | i wrote apt-get install directly |
| 01:52.04 | cobra-the-joker | its downloading and installing right now |
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| 01:52.26 | cobra-the-joker | thanx every one for the help |
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| 01:54.53 | cobra-the-joker | and its working smooth ..pidgin and empathy :) |
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| 02:01.59 | deco | i'm trying to using htt://debian.osuosl.org for non-free updates with lenny but i'm not sure how to set it up in source.list |
| 02:02.09 | deco | s/using/use |
| 02:02.30 | deco | contrib non-free to be exact |
| 02:02.39 | jetscreamer | you just add contrib non-free after main, same line |
| 02:02.43 | abrotman | deco: what about "main" ? |
| 02:02.54 | deco | abrotman: i have a different mirror already for that |
| 02:03.11 | deco | jetscreamer: oh ok gonna try that |
| 02:03.18 | abrotman | it would be "deb http://debian.osuols.org/debian. lenny contrib non-free" |
| 02:03.25 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 02:03.36 | jetscreamer | not debian. but debian eh |
| 02:03.37 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:03.42 | abrotman | it would be "deb http://debian.osuols.org/debian/ lenny contrib non-free" |
| 02:03.43 | abrotman | there we go |
| 02:03.53 | deco | abrotman: thanks! |
| 02:04.00 | jetscreamer | i 'think' the trailing / is optional .... i forget |
| 02:04.17 | jetscreamer | it used to matter though iirc |
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| 02:28.49 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ....can i change GDM themes in debian lenny ? |
| 02:29.50 | abrotman | gdmsetup |
| 02:29.58 | cyzie | hello, when i browse to mandarin website, the mandarin character is not shown instead it appear a lot of square box, what package do i need to install? |
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| 02:31.35 | cobra-the-joker | abrotman , ok |
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| 02:35.28 | ctmjr | cyzie: paste the website |
| 02:37.17 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 02:37.50 | LimCore | hi, it seems atop kernel patch is out of date? |
| 02:38.12 | LimCore | I found and reported this problem in ubuntu, but probably same applies for debian? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/atoppatch/+bug/490180 |
| 02:38.35 | LimCore | by out of date, I mean that upstream seems to not provide versions working with recent kernels |
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| 02:40.19 | nsadmin | LimCore: it would seem that if the debian kernel maints notice that a patch (1) isn't working (perhaps not even applying) and (2) not supported upstream, they'd drop it |
| 02:41.08 | LimCore | nsadmin: I am quite sure this patch does not apply. But it is not added by default, it is a separate package. |
| 02:41.11 | nsadmin | maybe the bts has info on that (if the issue is too old on closed bugs, the bts will eventually forget) |
| 02:41.22 | abrotman | wonders how the ubuntu bug is related to debian ? |
| 02:41.51 | nsadmin | so there is a package in debian? what's the ubuntu package name? we'll feed it to judd |
| 02:41.58 | LimCore | http://packages.debian.org/sid/kernel-patch-atopacct |
| 02:42.15 | LimCore | it does not apply to 2.6.30 |
| 02:42.22 | nsadmin | judd versions kernel-patch-atopacct |
| 02:42.23 | judd | nsadmin: kernel-patch-atopacct -- lenny: 1:1.23-1 sid: 1:1.23-1 squeeze: 1:1.23-1 |
| 02:42.38 | nsadmin | all the same... |
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| 02:42.46 | LimCore | well, even upstream does not maintain it. No version of atop kernel patch will work for kernels >= 2.6.30 from what I see |
| 02:43.04 | LimCore | it is quite a nice patch, and very simple, probably just small fixing of the patch is needed |
| 02:43.20 | nsadmin | howbout this: get the patch from ubuntu, get it from debian, diff |
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| 02:44.02 | nsadmin | if it doesn't apply, surely there;d be mention in the bts' |
| 02:44.18 | LimCore | nsadmin: even upstream does not have working version for nowday kernels.. I guess we just have to develop it ;) Im writting here so that this bug is reported and for example not usable kernel-patch package will get droped to avoid confusion and/or to motivate people to develop new version? |
| 02:44.40 | nsadmin | if it does apply, perhaps the debian maints have fixed it |
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| 02:45.33 | LimCore | hm.. how to download this package from debian? via web |
| 02:45.47 | nsadmin | packages.debian.org |
| 02:45.48 | LimCore | to see if it was custom patched by debian devels to work on 2.6.30 kernels |
| 02:46.26 | cyzie | ctmjr, http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/hqzx/ |
| 02:47.42 | NiLon | I would like to make temporary port forwarding on machine and still keep real port functional but I can't really figure out how, using netcat like nc -l -p 9000 | nc -vv 127.0.0.1 80 (for http example) is only working to one directional and excepted |
| 02:47.49 | NiLon | as* |
| 02:48.55 | nsadmin | LimCore: note also that debian applies other patches to kernel source... it's possible that if the patch in question does apply, it applies to debian kernel sources |
| 02:49.29 | nsadmin | and maybe not to the originals |
| 02:49.43 | LimCore | nsadmin: you can try running atop application and press "n" - do you 1) see network usage or 2) see warning that kernel patch is not installed? |
| 02:50.11 | ctmjr | cyzie: there are only pictures and links do you have images blocked in your web browser? |
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| 02:51.10 | nsadmin | oh I'm sure I don't have atop |
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| 02:51.50 | LimCore | atop is quite cool |
| 02:52.05 | LimCore | is there any other tool to exactly say what applications are using network (locally)? |
| 02:52.24 | LimCore | (its one of atops functions, besides general top functionallity with recording) |
| 02:53.22 | cyzie | ctmjr, the picture and links displayed fine. the problem is the mandarin character display as a square box |
| 02:54.10 | abrotman | LimCore: iftop ? |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | jnettop is interesting too |
| 02:55.33 | LimCore | abrotman: and how to see which *applications* generate this traffic? |
| 02:55.34 | jetscreamer | you need fonts |
| 02:55.43 | jetscreamer | or you get boxes |
| 02:55.56 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search font |
| 02:55.59 | abrotman | LimCore: i thought iftop did that, no? |
| 02:56.15 | jetscreamer | you might wanna grep it or run it through less |
| 02:56.58 | LimCore | I do not see it in iftop nor in its help. I guess atop developed a patch for a reason, probably this information is not by default available in kernel |
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| 02:57.05 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search font |grep -i chinese |
| 02:57.07 | jetscreamer | or so |
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| 02:57.53 | jetscreamer | choose, then apt-get install your_font |
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| 02:58.21 | jetscreamer | or fonts |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | LimCore: nethogs ? |
| 02:58.50 | LimCore | installs greendam |
| 02:59.02 | jetscreamer | erm s/apt-get/aptitude/ to comply with debian pc-ness |
| 02:59.29 | LimCore | abrotman: oh cool, this one works |
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| 03:00.04 | jetscreamer | wonders if cyzie saw |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | LimCore: FWIW .. apt-cache search process bandwidth |
| 03:00.30 | cyzie | trying and googling :) and thanks he saw |
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| 03:00.38 | abrotman | though i bet 'network process' would hve a bunch too |
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| 03:01.33 | jetscreamer | cyzie: there's a 'big 5' chinese font thing package, i've no idea which is 'the best' though |
| 03:01.58 | jetscreamer | iirc |
| 03:02.09 | LimCore | abrotman: still atop seemed more advance |
| 03:02.49 | nvz | I'm having trouble using m4a or mp4 files in debian. Right now I just want to convert em to mp3. They're from my ipod trying to play em on a cheap mp3 player that doest support that format. Though it would also be nice to be able to play audio/video encoded in these formats |
| 03:03.16 | abrotman | LimCore: not without that patch |
| 03:05.16 | nvz | any suggestions on how I might batch convert m4a to mp3? |
| 03:05.43 | abrotman | a script ? |
| 03:06.11 | LimCore | send them to rms I bet he will do it for you - at least to ogg |
| 03:06.11 | WormFood | did I screw up something? I've somehow lost the notification area (or whatever it is called under gnome), and don't get notifications from programs like xchat and pidgin for example. |
| 03:06.39 | jetscreamer | mencoder perhaps... isn't there a 'do everything in the directory' directive? |
| 03:06.44 | cyzie | jetscreamer, ctmjr ttf-arphic-uming, no need restart firefox and it display fine now :) thanks, it is wonderfull |
| 03:06.56 | jetscreamer | seems to me there is, but i forget |
| 03:07.11 | LimCore | !ggl bash script rename mp3 |
| 03:07.23 | jetscreamer | rename? |
| 03:07.29 | nvz | abrotman: you're helpful.. heh. installing this xcfa program now |
| 03:07.49 | nvz | the problem is nothing currently on my system understands m4a |
| 03:08.30 | WormFood | nvz, I bet mplayer understands it |
| 03:09.26 | jetscreamer | i play my jamz w/mplayer, but i don't have any m4a's |
| 03:09.35 | nvz | WormFood: ah.. indeed. |
| 03:09.37 | jetscreamer | just mp3 |
| 03:09.48 | nvz | this damn xcfa is partially in german it seems |
| 03:10.11 | nvz | who the fuck writes an app partially in one language and partially in another.. |
| 03:10.40 | LimCore | nvz: inner platform architecture astronaut? |
| 03:10.51 | nvz | furthermore, who is the asswipe that maintains this and didnt translate it// ugh |
| 03:10.58 | LimCore | oh wait, you ment human language |
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| 03:11.19 | jetscreamer | a bilingual one? |
| 03:11.26 | nvz | it actually appears as though [arts of the interface are in english, parts in french, and parts in german |
| 03:11.50 | LimCore | maybe it was thatguy that invented esperanto |
| 03:11.55 | nvz | its got lists with one col in english, and the ones right next to it appear to be in two other languages |
| 03:11.56 | WormFood | hhhmmm...but I can't get it to play the few m4a files I have |
| 03:12.02 | jetscreamer | there is nothing like trying to use an app that's in german when you don't understand any german |
| 03:12.34 | shadowless_egg | hurls vlc player at wormfood |
| 03:13.31 | WormFood | shadowless_egg, yeah, I just tested it with that, and it works...wanted to try it before I said anything....I remember I had something that could play them |
| 03:14.14 | jetscreamer | vlc can kma |
| 03:14.25 | abrotman | nvz: you'll probably need the stuff from dmm to convert it |
| 03:14.29 | jetscreamer | fyi :) |
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| 03:16.22 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=mplayer+m4a&restrict=linux |
| 03:16.54 | nvz | abrotman: yeah I got mplayer and w32codecs, and mplayer seems to play it.. so I figure some incantation of mplayer with the appropriate output plugin through a script should do the trick |
| 03:17.53 | WormFood | nvz, you may want mencoder |
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| 03:19.26 | nvz | WormFood: I dont think I really need mencoder here... gotta read the f'n manpage.. but I know mplayer can dump audio and video, plus I know it has vo plugins for like jpeg, png, etc.. so it probably can do the same for ao |
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| 03:20.26 | shadowless_egg | qyestion: On the "How to use this free space" screen select Automatically partition the free space and press Enter. (This will create both the root and swap partitions |
| 03:20.35 | WormFood | if you can get it to dump raw audio to stdout, you could redirect it to lame and encode on the fly |
| 03:20.43 | shadowless_egg | does this mean that there will be no free space left on my hd? |
| 03:20.56 | shadowless_egg | or on my windows partition |
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| 03:24.11 | jmarsden | shadowless_egg: It means there will be no fre (unpartitioned) space left on the drive, afterwards. |
| 03:25.53 | jmarsden | The shrink of the windows partition (assuming you asked the installer to shrink it) is what will reduce the "free" space within the windows partition. But it won't reduce that to zero. |
| 03:26.43 | civillian | shadowless_egg: I think auto will toast any windows partition you've got |
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| 03:32.26 | jetscreamer | doesn't trust partition resizers |
| 03:32.36 | jetscreamer | but that's me |
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| 03:34.02 | shadowless_egg | then how will i be able to dual boot it then while leaving some free space on the windows partition |
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| 03:34.41 | shadowless_egg | just put in a size for the main partition and manually add swap |
| 03:34.57 | jetscreamer | it will leave windows some space, as much as you tell it to |
| 03:35.18 | shadowless_egg | have you seen /tested that? |
| 03:35.18 | WormFood | is the sticky notes gnome pannel applet broken for anyone else on sid? I try to make a new note, and it crashes on me |
| 03:35.54 | jetscreamer | me i got burned when partition resizers were new... never touch em now. |
| 03:35.59 | jetscreamer | same for craptitude |
| 03:36.14 | jetscreamer | and udev |
| 03:36.19 | shadowless_egg | cant i just hit free space and put in a number? |
| 03:36.26 | abrotman | jetscreamer: so you're still running sarge ? |
| 03:36.27 | jetscreamer | course udev still breaks stuff |
| 03:36.34 | shadowless_egg | and then create a swap partition manually? |
| 03:36.38 | jetscreamer | sarge blows.. woody ftw |
| 03:36.47 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 03:37.07 | shadowless_egg | so can i do that? |
| 03:37.27 | jetscreamer | shadowless_egg: yeah think so... you can even use a swap file instead of swap partition if you really want to |
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| 03:37.49 | shadowless_egg | also: since im not gonna use it for a server, MAYBE an ftp server? do i need to disable dhcp? |
| 03:37.52 | jetscreamer | shadowless_egg: i'd get a 2nd opinion if it was me though |
| 03:38.02 | jetscreamer | install what you want |
| 03:38.17 | jetscreamer | it's all the same |
| 03:38.27 | jetscreamer | just what's installed is the thing |
| 03:38.36 | jetscreamer | 'server' 'workstation' |
| 03:38.38 | shadowless_egg | so just leave dhcp enabled then? |
| 03:38.50 | jetscreamer | do you use dhcp? |
| 03:38.57 | shadowless_egg | idk? |
| 03:39.05 | shadowless_egg | i think so |
| 03:39.12 | jetscreamer | most ppl do, some don't |
| 03:39.20 | shadowless_egg | i guess so then |
| 03:39.25 | jetscreamer | don't guess |
| 03:39.39 | shadowless_egg | how can i tell then >_> |
| 03:39.39 | jetscreamer | how does your computer get it's ip address |
| 03:39.54 | shadowless_egg | i assume through comcast |
| 03:39.55 | jetscreamer | hooked up to a router? |
| 03:40.03 | shadowless_egg | modem |
| 03:40.10 | jetscreamer | lets go with dhcp... this is a guess but a good one |
| 03:40.16 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 03:40.22 | jetscreamer | !ymmv |
| 03:40.24 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ymmv is an abbreviation of "Your mileage may vary." |
| 03:41.12 | jetscreamer | keep in mind, if you break anything you get to keep all the pieces |
| 03:41.22 | jetscreamer | so know what you are doing somewhat :) |
| 03:41.35 | jetscreamer | usually the default selections work well |
| 03:41.42 | jetscreamer | !ig |
| 03:41.43 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 03:41.46 | xNinja | when i do cat file.log |grep hi, i get this error! |
| 03:41.47 | xNinja | Binary file (standard input) matches |
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| 03:42.24 | jetscreamer | file.log is binary it seems to be saying |
| 03:42.32 | jmarsden | xNinja: grep "hi" file.log # would be saner. And the message means your log file is not a text file. |
| 03:42.32 | jetscreamer | i dunno never seen that |
| 03:43.06 | xNinja | still not working! |
| 03:43.12 | xNinja | but i can do cat/more |
| 03:43.14 | jetscreamer | try on a text file |
| 03:43.16 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 03:43.17 | jmarsden | xNinja: Use the -a flag to override that |
| 03:43.25 | xNinja | jmarsden how |
| 03:43.26 | jmarsden | grep -a "hi" file.log |
| 03:43.39 | jetscreamer | !jmarsden++ |
| 03:43.42 | jmarsden | xNinja: And please do man grep sometime and read the man page :) |
| 03:43.45 | xNinja | thats working :D |
| 03:43.55 | xNinja | thanks :D |
| 03:44.01 | jmarsden | You're welcome |
| 03:44.14 | xNinja | so -a means read whatever the file is...just force and try reading it ? |
| 03:44.20 | jetscreamer | and you didn't spell it your!!! |
| 03:44.38 | jetscreamer | wanders off |
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| 03:46.19 | jmarsden | xNinja: -a means "treat binary files as though they contain text". This is fine as long as they really do... if not, you end up outputting binary garbage to your screen and messing it up... |
| 03:46.38 | jmarsden | xNinja: But again, read man grep for all the details. |
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| 03:48.16 | MJBrune | when ever I put in a url that doesn't exist it redirects me to 127.0.0.1 for some reason |
| 03:49.02 | jmarsden | MJBrune: Whose DNS server are you using for DNS resolution? "It" is the one responsible... |
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| 03:49.16 | MJBrune | jmarsden: I believe its comcasts. |
| 03:49.20 | MJBrune | jmarsden: how can I check? |
| 03:49.28 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ...can i make openoffice use GTK ? |
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| 03:50.02 | jmarsden | MJBrune: grep nameserver /etc/resolv.conf and then see who owns the IP address(es) that showup, perhaps using dig -x 1.2.3.4 |
| 03:50.48 | xNinja | jmarsden ok when i missed my screen up with garbage...what i have to do to let it be normal again...something else than reconnect...typing bash would do that sometimes ? what else |
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| 03:51.19 | MJBrune | jmarsden: name server is my router but this only occures with ice weasel on my debian machine |
| 03:51.22 | jmarsden | xNinja: First, learn not to do that. Second you can try reset $TERM |
| 03:51.32 | MJBrune | jmarsden: it doesn't occure with firefox on my windows machine |
| 03:51.59 | MJBrune | jmarsden: if i just ping "komo" it appends .<mydomain>.com to it |
| 03:52.15 | MJBrune | jmarsden: where if I put komo in my windows browser it brings up komonews.com |
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| 03:52.46 | jmarsden | MJBrune: The first is normal if you have search mydomain.com in your /etc/resolv/conf. Your windows browser behaviour is... odd. |
| 03:53.00 | MJBrune | jmarsden: i dont |
| 03:53.09 | MJBrune | jmarsden: i only have nameserver in my resolv.conf |
| 03:53.17 | xNinja | jmarsden ty again :) |
| 03:53.24 | MJBrune | jmarsden: and i dont see how my windows is weird because my freebsd server does it like that as well. |
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| 03:53.41 | abrotman | his upstream DNS could be doing wildcard matching |
| 03:54.01 | jmarsden | MJBrune: mapping komo to komonews.com... someone is doing something unusual. Could be your real DNS server (not your router) doing that. |
| 03:54.18 | MJBrune | jmarsden: no firefox/iceweasel does that |
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| 03:54.35 | jmarsden | <MJBrune> jmarsden: where if I put komo in my windows browser it brings up komonews.com |
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| 03:54.45 | jmarsden | You said it was your WIndows browser that did that. |
| 03:54.46 | abrotman | MJBrune: in a terminal, if you use host/dig/nslookup for the same domain .. what does it return ? |
| 03:55.01 | MJBrune | abrotman: komo.<mydomain> |
| 03:55.11 | abrotman | uh .. it should return an IP |
| 03:55.13 | MJBrune | abrotman: but if I ping it in windows it doesn't resolve. |
| 03:55.21 | MJBrune | abrotman: well its my own ip. |
| 03:55.29 | MJBrune | abrotman: let me show you |
| 03:56.01 | MJBrune | http://pastebin.ca/1693427 |
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| 03:56.31 | abrotman | MJBrune: and what's in your /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 03:56.32 | MJBrune | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1693428 this is on my fbsd box |
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| 03:56.41 | MJBrune | abrotman: nameserver 192.168.1.1 |
| 03:56.46 | abrotman | that's it? |
| 03:56.49 | MJBrune | abrotman: thats it |
| 03:57.01 | abrotman | MJBrune: and 1.1 is a netgear type hardware router ? |
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| 03:57.06 | MJBrune | yeah |
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| 03:57.16 | abrotman | anything useful in /etc/hosts ? |
| 03:57.23 | MJBrune | abrotman: which all computers route through |
| 03:57.50 | MJBrune | abrotman: only localhost and debian == loopback |
| 03:58.07 | MJBrune | abrotman: actually debian is 127.0.1.1 |
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| 03:58.29 | abrotman | is the machine in question running nmbd/samba stuff? |
| 03:58.47 | MJBrune | no |
| 03:59.39 | abrotman | does your router have a domain name ? |
| 03:59.39 | MJBrune | normally in firefox you put in komo and firefox anywhere redirects you to komonews.com its their little im feeling lucky thing like google has but for your browser. jmarsden |
| 03:59.52 | MJBrune | abrotman: my router it's ip has a domain name. |
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| 04:00.07 | MJBrune | erm there should be a comma in there or something |
| 04:00.11 | zugi | hello all, i m getting this sub_process error wondering if someone can give me a hand, http://pastebin.com/m101f004d |
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| 04:00.20 | abrotman | MJBrune: i wonder if it is perhaps appending the domain to your DNS request |
| 04:00.42 | MJBrune | abrotman: but it would do that on ALL computers and not just my debian computer. |
| 04:00.57 | MJBrune | abrotman: but it doesn't |
| 04:01.14 | MJBrune | so for some reason debian must be requesting it does this. |
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| 04:03.47 | abrotman | strace it out maybe? ping uses the libc resolver ... maybe it would lead you to a clue ? |
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| 04:06.34 | MJBrune | abrotman: how would i strace it? |
| 04:06.45 | abrotman | strace ping komo |
| 04:06.50 | abrotman | man strace .. add flavor |
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| 04:09.53 | MJBrune | so this is the strace output http://pastebin.com/d5f51f56c |
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| 04:15.15 | zugi | any ideas? |
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| 04:15.50 | Ramraid | if xorg.conf handles xorg. How does it work if xorg.conf contains no info on drivers,resolutions gfx cards glx info or modules? what controls xorg now? |
| 04:15.51 | zugi | http://pastebin.com/m101f004d and http://pastebin.com/mf222b64 |
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| 04:23.43 | fedbn | http://ubuntard.com/2009/11/choosing-an-os-is-not-a-team-sport/ |
| 04:23.50 | fedbn | Pretty poignant advocacy piece |
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| 04:25.58 | zugi | do i need to update the key or something? |
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| 04:27.53 | zugi | backports? |
| 04:28.05 | superjoe | is anyone using the latest squeeze experiencing strange blinking in gnome? |
| 04:29.08 | jelly-home | fedbn: use #debian-offtopic for links like that next time |
| 04:29.19 | zugi | n/m i got it working.. |
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| 04:30.05 | superjoe | for example, the laptop screen brightness box moving itself up and down |
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| 04:30.16 | NiLon | I would like to make temporary port forwarding on machine and still keep real port functional but I can't really figure out how, using netcat like nc -l -p 9000 | nc -vv 127.0.0.1 80 (for http example) is only working to one direction as excepted, but I need bidirectional connection |
| 04:30.21 | superjoe | and the mouse jiggling around spastically instead of standby mode |
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| 04:33.46 | ganjanaut | hello all, i'd like to help with packaging sagemath for debian/ubuntu but i don't really know where to begin. can someone point me in the right direction? |
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| 04:35.02 | fedbn | jelly-home: Will do. |
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| 04:37.17 | Rusty1 | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ << ganjanaut start there perhaps |
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| 04:39.15 | ganjanaut | Rusty1: ty |
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| 04:40.50 | robertf | Hello |
| 04:42.02 | robertf | I use qemu. qemu -hda image.img -cdrom /path/to/iso -m 128 -vnc :1,password -monitor stdio. In the monitor, i type change vnc password, the error msg is: device not found |
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| 04:51.11 | sluxor | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Remote - I tried this method of installation however it never generates a vmlinuz file, could somebody help and tell me what I'm doing wrong? |
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| 04:57.53 | blend0r | hello guy's, anybody here use iwpriv? |
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| 05:00.29 | jar | Is there a way to set apt to automatically install -dev packages when pulling libs? |
| 05:01.57 | superjoe | jar: aptitude build-dep <lib> |
| 05:02.18 | jar | Not exactly what I want. |
| 05:02.20 | jar | It would be nice to set apt in "developer" mode so it always knows to pull -dev packages. |
| 05:02.35 | superjoe | how is it not exactly what you want? |
| 05:02.49 | mdeonte | !boo |
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| 05:02.52 | dpkg | dies from a heart attack thanks to mdeonte |
| 05:02.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | i suspect it means two commands not one |
| 05:02.58 | jar | superjoe, I want it to be able to do it automagically. That's why I use apt. ;) |
| 05:03.01 | franki^ | probably even developers don't _all_ of the -dev packages, do they? :s |
| 05:03.02 | Kamping_Kaiser | dpkg: noooo! |
| 05:03.03 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, Kamping_Kaiser |
| 05:03.10 | franki^ | *want* |
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| 05:03.17 | doctor | hey |
| 05:03.20 | mdeonte | my first program https://monteledwards.com/dev/personal/cone-surfacearea.exe |
| 05:03.22 | mdeonte | *tear* |
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| 05:03.42 | doctor | how can i compare two text files with eachother and move the output into another file? |
| 05:03.55 | mapper | What's the equivalent of "tip hardware" with Solaris in Debian? |
| 05:03.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | doctor: diff or comm |
| 05:04.01 | doctor | what |
| 05:04.07 | doctor | oh |
| 05:04.10 | doctor | dupes |
| 05:04.14 | doctor | i need the matches |
| 05:04.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | jar: look at apt.conf/its man page |
| 05:04.31 | jelly-home | mapper: what does it do? |
| 05:04.51 | jar | Kamping_Kaiser, I have been - I only ask for help as a last resort. |
| 05:05.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | jar: your the 2nd person ever here who does then :) |
| 05:05.19 | jar | haha |
| 05:05.26 | mapper | jelly-home, serial console |
| 05:05.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | doctor: comm -1 -2 file file? |
| 05:05.37 | doctor | okay |
| 05:05.39 | doctor | ill try that |
| 05:05.50 | jelly-home | mapper: minicom |
| 05:06.04 | mapper | to connect to server management console of sun servers |
| 05:06.05 | mapper | ok |
| 05:06.10 | doctor | they arent in sorted order. i guess |
| 05:06.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | minicom :) |
| 05:06.26 | doctor | comm: file 2 is not in sorted order |
| 05:06.26 | doctor | comm: file 1 is not in sorted order |
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| 05:08.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | doctor: man sort. man uniq. man comm. man diff. |
| 05:09.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'd suggest in reverse order |
| 05:09.58 | mdeonte | Where can i get a copy of dpkg bot? |
| 05:10.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | iirc its a supey |
| 05:10.47 | mdeonte | supey? |
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| 05:12.03 | doctor | i think ill |
| 05:12.16 | doctor | see they're facebook links... |
| 05:12.40 | doctor | so they're all facebookurl.com/profile.php?id=[id] |
| 05:12.58 | doctor | i guess ill just remove all the text with regex and sort then try. |
| 05:13.01 | doctor | thanks i guess. |
| 05:13.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | not sure why the file content changes hte tools you should be using |
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| 05:14.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | but good luck with it anyway |
| 05:14.26 | doctor | maybe i just dont understand what im doing |
| 05:14.27 | doctor | :> |
| 05:14.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | heh. :] |
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| 05:54.19 | Mr_Queue | Anyone know of a way to determine when Debian was installed on a machine? |
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| 05:56.12 | zugi | ya, just do curl |
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| 06:03.10 | rektide | samba is supposed to have a "testparam" executable, i think |
| 06:03.25 | rektide | but its not on my system |
| 06:03.49 | rektide | i dont suppose anyonn else has "testparam"? dpkg -S testparam would be really helpful, if so |
| 06:03.50 | jmarsden | rektide: try spelling it testparm |
| 06:04.07 | rektide | ooops |
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| 06:04.30 | jar | that was harsh to watch |
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| 06:05.16 | rektide | jmarsden: many thanks |
| 06:05.32 | jmarsden | rektide: You're welcome. |
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| 06:14.26 | xNinja | i need a nice keylogger to log what all users in my server doing...? |
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| 06:20.17 | xNinja | make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h', needed by `out'. Stop. |
| 06:22.06 | xNinja | hello anyone around |
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| 06:22.13 | jmarsden | xNinja: Two keyloggers you can check out (if you must) are lkl and uberkey. |
| 06:22.55 | xNinja | ok |
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| 06:23.58 | kstarr | no, thats the one i wanted you to see http://greener-better.com/ |
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| 06:25.15 | kstarr | I meant this one: http://2ndh.com/ |
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| 06:26.41 | xNinja | uberkey.c: In function 'main': |
| 06:26.41 | xNinja | uberkey.c:34: warning: incompatible implicit declaration of built-in function 'printf' |
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| 06:29.15 | jmarsden | xNinja: I'm not going to debug basic C issues for you here, if you can't fix that yourself ... read the code... this is #debian, not #C . And especially not in keylogging software... don't you have any respect for your users? |
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| 06:30.50 | xNinja | its not i dont have respect its because they may hack the server...i gave a shell access to someone who learning hacking stuff but he promise not to do anything...and i dont know him very well so i want to be sure |
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| 06:34.03 | dondelelcaro | xNinja: if you don't trust someone, they shouldn't have a shell on your machine. |
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| 06:37.41 | gpsonline | hgi |
| 06:37.42 | gpsonline | hi |
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| 06:38.12 | xNinja | dondelelcaro :) |
| 06:38.42 | blend0r | anybody knows how works iwpriv? |
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| 06:39.39 | xNinja | iwpriv wlan0 highpower 1 |
| 06:41.04 | blend0r | xNinja it works with your wireless adapter? |
| 06:41.48 | blend0r | which's vendor hardware ? |
| 06:42.09 | xNinja | alfa |
| 06:42.32 | xNinja | but i dont see big different when playing with power...thats me |
| 06:42.35 | blend0r | alfa it's looks like arch? |
| 06:42.44 | blend0r | I means wreless... |
| 06:43.05 | xNinja | alfa 500mw |
| 06:43.25 | xNinja | AWUS036H |
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| 06:44.48 | blend0r | it's rt2800 based? |
| 06:45.44 | xNinja | rtl8187 |
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| 06:58.05 | homecable | anyone complie the newsest kernel on debian yet ? |
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| 07:11.18 | jetscreamer | i quit compiling kernels.. or course that meant i had to redo my hardware since udev blows chunks, but gee anything for debian right? |
| 07:11.31 | jetscreamer | wonders if anybody could see the sarcasm dripping |
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| 07:27.28 | tuv | i've been seeing 100% cpu usage that goes away only if i restart acpid, and comes back again every few hourse |
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| 07:31.38 | bioe007 | just installed lenny, i'm trying to set up static IP. follwoing here: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-lenny-ispconfig3-p3 |
| 07:32.16 | bioe007 | i think everything should work, ifconfig shows i'm getting ip 10.1.1.20, but i cant ping anything, not even other computers on local network |
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| 07:35.34 | Agiofws | hello |
| 07:35.36 | Agiofws | can anyone tell me if there is anything like an xchat server ? something like a relay server ? or something like an xchat client that connects to an IRSSI session ? |
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| 07:35.56 | JPT | you mean something like a bouncer? |
| 07:36.01 | JPT | znc, psybnc,... |
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| 08:38.26 | xNinja | not me :D |
| 08:39.05 | kharloss | hi there. i try recompile the kernel with latest version. At Processor family is checked "Pentium Pro " option , but my CPU is Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 2.40GHz . I`m sure i have to recheck another option but i found 3 Xeon alternatives ... " 1) Pentium-4/Celeron(P4-based)/Pentium-4 M/older Xeon " 2) Pentium-II/Celeron(pre-Coppermine) 3) Core 2/newer Xeon . which one i have to chose ? |
| 08:39.05 | xNinja | pidgin sometimes crashing and taking a huge memory!!! |
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| 08:41.39 | AlexC_ | morning, |
| 08:41.52 | AlexC_ | MySQL is failing to start this morning, and I can't find any logs as to why. Where would these logs be? |
| 08:42.01 | AlexC_ | (Debian Lenny, latest) |
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| 08:43.47 | Meaw | hi , how to search for a specific "word" in debian... I have many files and i want to check where i put the ip address |
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| 08:44.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | Meaw: grep |
| 08:45.17 | Meaw | so grep word will search in all files and get the file i add word on it? |
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| 08:46.51 | ZeZu | error: gnu/stubs-32.h .... anyone know why these are missing from build-essential ? |
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| 08:47.03 | ZeZu | or moreover what package i can install to get gcc to build properly w/ -m32 ? |
| 08:48.29 | Meaw | it takes a long time |
| 08:51.17 | EXp1r3d | ZeZu, you're on 64 bit machine ? |
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| 08:52.18 | dnaumov | heh, this stuff ain't pretty, a broken disk controller wrote a ton of garbage to the block device resulting in multiple mirror arrays failing completely, unsurprisingly the whole thing has to be rebuilt from scratch :) |
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| 08:58.02 | tschaefer | oops xD |
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| 09:02.37 | AlexC_ | MySQL is failing to start this morning, and I can't find any logs as to why. Where would these logs be? |
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| 09:05.18 | binrapt | I have a problem with apt-get on squeeze: http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebin&id=309 ValueError: /usr/bin/python does not match the python default version. It must be reset to point to python2.5 |
| 09:05.22 | binrapt | Any ideas? |
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| 09:14.27 | EXp1r3d | AlexC_, MySQL's default error log actually is written to syslog , check the file there |
| 09:14.43 | AlexC_ | EXp1r3d, yep, got it. /var has ran out of free space |
| 09:14.48 | AlexC_ | which, isn't so good |
| 09:15.08 | binrapt | I fixed it by temporarily resetting it to 2.5 hmm strange |
| 09:15.53 | AlexC_ | if anyone can help resize /dev/sda6 - http://paste2.org/p/539972, ideally take some off /dev/sda9, would be greatly appreciated |
| 09:15.55 | EXp1r3d | AlexC_, you should mount /var with external partition if you're running it in production |
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| 09:16.12 | AlexC_ | EXp1r3d, it is its own partition |
| 09:16.19 | AlexC_ | (see link) |
| 09:16.57 | OpenTokix | People should use more LVM |
| 09:17.09 | azeem_ | as a quick work-around you could lower the reserved-block percentage maybe |
| 09:17.23 | EXp1r3d | 2.8 is too small for log files btw :) |
| 09:17.27 | AlexC_ | OpenTokix, normally do, though for this server I'm not sure why we didn't |
| 09:18.16 | AlexC_ | EXp1r3d, yeah, I believe it was a bug in the installer for Debian before Lenny was fully stable and released. I recall it even set / to be 500mb before (and so had to do similar resizing later on) |
| 09:18.46 | ZeZu | tuv, thanks |
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| 09:20.29 | AlexC_ | how can I go about resizing sda6 now? Going to be tricky, and was last time I had to do this |
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| 09:23.26 | EXp1r3d | AlexC_, http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_resizing_ext3_partitions i think it's a bit easy to search with google, tons of articles there |
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| 09:25.51 | AlexC_ | EXp1r3d, yes, however this is simply resizing 1 partition. I need to juggle quite a few around to make room, since there are things infront of sda6 |
| 09:26.05 | AlexC_ | and last time, this turned out quite tricky. I shall read through it, though |
| 09:26.17 | binrapt | WARNING: kernel & initrd not found in the root directory (/vmlinuz & /initrd.img) WARNING: Do NOT reboot or LILO may fail to boot if your kernel+initrd is large. WARNING: Please read /usr/share/doc/lilo/README.DebianWARNING: Please read /usr/share/doc/lilo/README.Debian |
| 09:26.30 | binrapt | Well that caught my attention, alright. It's a headless server I don't have physical access to. |
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| 09:27.58 | binrapt | purged lilo and installed grub instead, marked /dev/sda hmm |
| 09:28.03 | EXp1r3d | AlexC_, i've no previous experience with resizing , or let's say i've not fallen in such situation before , as long as laying out my desk in a proper way :) |
| 09:28.53 | binrapt | apt now says mbr is no longer needed :/ that's scary - does grub use a different method? |
| 09:28.54 | apt | okay, binrapt |
| 09:29.25 | binrapt | lol a bot |
| 09:29.48 | Kamping_Kaiser | binrapt: whats the real message? |
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| 09:30.06 | binrapt | Kamping_Kaiser what do you mean? aptitude printed that when I was upgrading |
| 09:30.13 | simonrvn | apt_: forget now says mbr |
| 09:30.19 | binrapt | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1007059.html |
| 09:30.27 | binrapt | Found that on Google |
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| 09:30.32 | binrapt | This is squeeze though |
| 09:30.48 | binrapt | I don't plan on rebooting any time soon, the server has been running for 110 days |
| 09:30.55 | binrapt | But I'm scared I broke something. |
| 09:31.04 | binrapt | sudo apt-get purge lilo && sudo apt-get install grub is what I did |
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| 09:32.40 | binrapt | Kamping_Kaiser are you saying I made that up? Because I haven't, I'm just scared it won't be able to boot without reinstallation anymore :( |
| 09:32.59 | Kamping_Kaiser | apt-get --purge remove lilo? |
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| 09:33.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | binrapt: 'mbr is no longer needed' doesn't sound like the full message from apt, and out of context its not a lot of help |
| 09:33.53 | binrapt | Oh |
| 09:34.41 | binrapt | Reading state information... Done |
| 09:34.42 | binrapt | The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: |
| 09:34.42 | binrapt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.42 | binrapt | Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. |
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| 09:35.09 | binrapt | Kamping_Kaiser: Sorry for that. Anyways, that sounds pretty scary to me. |
| 09:35.15 | simonrvn | apt_: forget now says mbr |
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| 09:35.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | binrapt: 'apt-cache show mbr' |
| 09:35.47 | binrapt | http://siyobik.info/index.php?module=pastebin&id=311 |
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| 09:37.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | i know what it says :) |
| 09:37.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | binrapt: lilo is the only thing that depends on 'mbr', so it can probably go safely. |
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| 09:38.01 | binrapt | Ok |
| 09:38.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | tbh, i dont know why mbr is needed for lilo to start with |
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| 09:38.30 | azeem_ | for lilo to write the mbr to disks when needed I guess |
| 09:38.38 | joel_ | Hi, is there a way that i can restrict a user to only to his $HOME directory? |
| 09:39.34 | AlexC_ | joel_, you mean when they SSH in? |
| 09:39.45 | joel_ | AlexC_: Yes |
| 09:40.09 | AlexC_ | joel_, man sshd_config, read about ChrootDirectory |
| 09:42.52 | joel_ | AlexC_: it says: The ChrootDirectory must contain the necessary files and directories to support the usersÂ’ session. For an interactive session this requires at least a shell, typically sh(1), and basic /dev nodes such as null(4), zero(4), stdin(4), stdout(4), stderr(4), arandom(4) and tty(4) devices. But right now i don't know what are all the executables that a user could use.. :s. I tried restricted bash (rbash) but it restricts even the "cd" into $H |
| 09:42.52 | joel_ | OME itself.. |
| 09:43.05 | AlexC_ | I know what it says =) |
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| 10:04.54 | ewet | hi, can apt-*/aptitude show me the packages I have installed that are not from the stable repository? |
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| 10:14.56 | Stereo | ewet: google for daudit |
| 10:16.08 | Stereo | ewet: run http://madduck.net/blog/2009.08.11:speed-up-dpkg-on-older-systems/ before running daudit |
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| 10:30.00 | ewet | Stereo, thanks -- do you by any chance know where he took the "other packages status" abbreviations like "pn" or "rc" from? |
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| 10:34.08 | ewet | my reasoning would be "removed, config files" "purged, no config" but who knows for shure.. |
| 10:34.36 | ewet | omg -h! |
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| 10:35.41 | themill | ewet: "man dpkg" explains them, as do the first 3 lines of the output of dpkg -l. |
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| 10:37.39 | Stereo | ewet: you guess right :) |
| 10:38.09 | Stereo | ewet: madduck's blog post will get rid of the pn ones, and aptitude purge ~c will get rid of the rc ones |
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| 10:41.05 | themill | ewet: if you have sources.list lines that only have "lenny" in them, then "aptitude search ~o" will be of use to you too |
| 10:41.20 | themill | ewet: also, /msg dpkg which repo |
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| 10:43.09 | Stereo | themill: didn't know about ~o, that's a nice one :) |
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| 10:43.24 | themill | yeah |
| 10:43.31 | simonrvn | why look who's here |
| 10:43.40 | ewet | Stereo, I thought so.. I didn't bother using the howto because my system is quite new. my real problems are the mismatches ;) I'll probably need to downgrade libc for my nvidia-glx 32bit libs.. and I'd hate to do it |
| 10:43.47 | simonrvn | Stereo: LTNS |
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| 10:44.03 | simonrvn | Stereo: how you been? |
| 10:44.19 | Stereo | simonrvn: not too bad, and yourself ? |
| 10:44.32 | simonrvn | pretty good :) |
| 10:44.34 | Stereo | I know you from #debianppc, don't I ? |
| 10:44.44 | simonrvn | yes =) |
| 10:45.10 | Stereo | ah, those ppc bootloaders. Good times :). |
| 10:45.22 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 10:53.09 | manuel_ | hi, could someone tell me how to set a system-wide variable in a bash prompt? |
| 10:53.56 | themill | panuh: can you explain in a bit more detail what you're trying to do? |
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| 10:54.34 | EXp1r3d | panuh, /etc/profile to change variable that affect all users |
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| 10:57.59 | panuh | Actually it's just a question of interest. Not a real problem. I'm having problems with mpc to connect mpd. setting -h 127.0.0.1 does the trick because it won't resolve localhost. didn't want to fix that now. I was only wondering if one could set a system wide MPD_HOST in THIS session so mpc can access it. |
| 10:58.08 | Arafangion | I'm sick and <censored> tired of windows, trying to set it up as a route. (Nothing complex). Could someone recommend me a nice generic Debian-on-a-usb stick I could download? |
| 10:58.12 | Arafangion | (Officially?) |
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| 10:59.04 | The_Big_Cat | !kill Saddam |
| 10:59.04 | dpkg | rips off Saddam's balls with a large trout |
| 10:59.08 | The_Big_Cat | wow |
| 10:59.14 | The_Big_Cat | intelligent bot |
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| 10:59.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | Arafangion: Debian live has usb images iirc |
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| 10:59.46 | Arafangion | Kamping_Kaiser: Nice, that's good enough for me, I'll check them out, thanks. |
| 10:59.52 | Arafangion | Hmm. |
| 10:59.58 | The_Big_Cat | !hi |
| 10:59.58 | dpkg | hello, the_big_cat |
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| 11:00.25 | The_Big_Cat | !fine |
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| 11:03.23 | panuh | sry connection lost |
| 11:03.55 | babilen | panuh: export MPD_HOST=whatever |
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| 11:05.43 | panuh | I thought so, too, babilen. But this won't do the trick. By exporting, the variable will only be inherited. I'm not too familiar with the correct terms but I think what I want to do is to set an evironment variable |
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| 11:06.04 | xxtjaxx | hi everyone what channel was fior kde packagers? |
| 11:06.40 | liable | prolly #debian-kde on oftc |
| 11:06.42 | babilen | panuh: that is the way ... |
| 11:06.51 | liable | or they can point you in the right direction |
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| 11:07.46 | babilen | panuh: you can type 'env' after you have executed that command and see for yourself |
| 11:08.20 | simonrvn | anyone remember the zsh thingy for editing env vars on-the-fly? |
| 11:08.56 | babilen | panuh: which raises the question why it "won't do the trick" |
| 11:09.07 | panuh | try entering 'export BLA=BLUBB', open another terminal from outside the used one and try to echo it. there will be nothing |
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| 11:09.20 | simonrvn | looked in zshall and since i don't know what to look for, i didn't find it... tried googling it, too, of course. |
| 11:09.26 | themill | simonrvn: only way I know of is to load up the process in a debugger |
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| 11:09.56 | babilen | panuh: Yes, if you want to set it in every shell, you have to export it when the shell starts. You can do this by entering the 'export ...' within your bashrc for example |
| 11:10.00 | simonrvn | there's a built-in command that lets you edit say, EDITOR without having to use export or setenv |
| 11:10.24 | xxtjaxx | I'm organizing a Klassroom for kde and debian packaging these days and whould like to find some source for my students to work on any suggestions? |
| 11:10.37 | themill | simonrvn: in an existing process? Or is this just a glorified way of saying "export FOO=bar" |
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| 11:11.02 | simonrvn | current shell yes |
| 11:11.06 | Arafangion | Oh my goodness, ICS using windows (Internet Connection Sharing) sucks. |
| 11:11.13 | Arafangion | Best ping to google: 64 bytes from www.google.com (66.102.11.104): icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=19.0 ms |
| 11:11.43 | themill | simonrvn: ahh, current shell is easy, some other not currently running shell is much harder. |
| 11:12.01 | liable | xxtjaxx: get them to watch the DE start through a debugger or something and try and make it start in less than 10 minutes? :) |
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| 11:13.07 | simonrvn | themill: you'd type $thiscmd <Tab> and it would do its completion thing, hitting tab until you stop, and then you edit at will. nifty, if a bit overboard. |
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| 11:14.33 | simonrvn | beats having export FOO= complete files in pwd .. |
| 11:14.53 | themill | bash doesn't do that anyway |
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| 11:22.59 | jetscreamer | debdows or windian ... i think windian is kinda catchy |
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| 11:25.53 | xxtjaxx | liable: I was acgtually thinking of the squeezen transission for kde packages as the talk will be very packaging centric and we will have a lot of stuff to do till this is ok |
| 11:26.08 | xxtjaxx | shitz no time |
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| 11:27.37 | gooest_007 | What is the difference between ip2 route format and that in /etc/network/interface ? |
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| 11:30.10 | Arafangion | gooest_007: Everything. |
| 11:30.40 | Arafangion | gooest_007: For starters, ip2 displays interface information, while interfaces provides a convenient method of configuring common network interfaces. |
| 11:31.36 | gooest_007 | i've implemented policy-based routing. i want to auto-start it with interface. how to? |
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| 11:32.21 | Arafangion | The interfaces file does not specify routing at all. |
| 11:33.38 | gooest_007 | up route add -net 192.0.2.1 netmask 255.255.255.255 dev venet0 |
| 11:34.20 | petemc | gooest_007: thats specifying a command to be ran after the interface is brought up |
| 11:34.46 | petemc | that command could be anything |
| 11:34.53 | gooest_007 | oh. i thought that it is some another "interface" specific format |
| 11:35.04 | gooest_007 | so i can use ip for this |
| 11:35.06 | petemc | yes |
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| 11:35.12 | petemc | and would be advised to |
| 11:35.12 | gooest_007 | thank you! ) |
| 11:35.28 | gooest_007 | i love ip, that old route method sucks |
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| 11:41.09 | binrapt | I intend to benchmark various HTTP servers on a low spec Debian dedicated server (P4, 1 GiB RAM), Apache, nginx, Cherokee, lighttpd for static file serving, nginx with flup, nginx with Thin/rack, Apache with PHP etc for some minor dynamic content tests - what tools should I use to calculate the CPU time and (peak?) memory consumed by the server software involved? |
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| 11:44.41 | gooest_007 | binrapt: iotop, atop, sar, iostat |
| 11:44.49 | binrapt | Thanks |
| 11:46.20 | gooest_007 | binrapt: i think that io is the bottleneck. because you will have small hdd cache and low io speed. |
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| 11:47.41 | gooest_007 | if you will have less then ~500mb of files - it will be fast, if more then available cache - it will be painfully slow. 100-300 random files per second (in case if they are small) |
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| 11:48.53 | gooest_007 | binrapt: if you will serve large files - play with readahead |
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| 11:55.38 | Pierreb | how do i search inside a directory for a pattern? |
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| 11:55.53 | petemc | grep foo * |
| 11:56.04 | petemc | unless you mean something else |
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| 11:56.24 | Pierreb | inside the files |
| 11:56.26 | petemc | yes |
| 11:56.58 | Pierreb | spltsu001:/usr/share/zabbix# grep /usr/share/zabbix/ div.zabbix_logo |
| 11:56.59 | Pierreb | grep: div.zabbix_logo: No such file or directory |
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| 11:57.23 | simonrvn | grep pattern files |
| 11:57.24 | KnuckOne | grep what_youre_searching files |
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| 11:57.27 | simonrvn | man grep |
| 11:58.57 | Pierreb | thx |
| 11:59.17 | salvin | petemc: grep -R |
| 11:59.46 | salvin | ops |
| 11:59.54 | salvin | Pierreb: grep -R |
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| 12:03.24 | Teaboy`work | just upgraded php5 and it set magic_quotes_gpc = On |
| 12:03.25 | Teaboy`work | weird. |
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| 12:05.18 | simonrvn | !fuck php |
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| 12:05.45 | liable | !lose simonrvn |
| 12:05.45 | dpkg | simonrvn: You Lose. |
| 12:05.47 | liable | :) |
| 12:05.53 | simonrvn | :) |
| 12:06.06 | simonrvn | got removed... my bot still does it ;) |
| 12:06.09 | liable | you couldnt have timed it worse :D |
| 12:06.17 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 12:06.29 | simonrvn | i had joins/quits hidden |
| 12:06.36 | simonrvn | !fuck php |
| 12:06.43 | simonrvn | (still won't work..) |
| 12:07.00 | liable | yeah, i thought some bastard had removed that one |
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| 12:07.14 | simonrvn | yeh. a while ago. :| |
| 12:07.36 | liable | but then i saw the bot quit and join around your cmd, and wondered |
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| 12:09.42 | themill | Teaboy`work: upgraded from what to what? |
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| 12:12.02 | Linux-IRC | Is it correct ? sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk |
| 12:12.49 | Meaw | just apt-get install |
| 12:13.44 | themill | Linux-IRC: "/msg dpkg aptitude", and it depends if you have correctly installed and configured sudo and if you have "non-free" sources enabled for the non-free Java from Sun. |
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| 12:17.50 | d1b | Linux-IRC: why do you needs sun's java6 jdk ? |
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| 12:27.52 | Linux-IRC | d1b: Guess/say |
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| 12:30.14 | johnf | Anyone know where http://release.debian.org/removing-non-free-documentation has gone or where to find something similar? |
| 12:33.38 | icebrain | johnf: is this it? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/09/msg00007.html |
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| 12:35.14 | johnf | icebrain: not quite as it refers to that URL? Is it as simple as untaring blah_1.0.orig.tar.gz removing the non-free bits and then creating blah_1.0.dfsg.orig.tar.gz? |
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| 12:36.52 | icebrain | johnf: oh, ok. I just found it in a deb-report concerning that page. can't help you, soz |
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| 12:39.06 | Stereo | hi everyone |
| 12:40.08 | Penix | aww. I'm gonna miss cafuego's talk at lca2k10. now there's no chance to get him blind drunk before he goes on... |
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| 12:41.07 | Stereo | so we just got a new dell server that comes with broadcom ethernet cards that are supported in firmware-bnx2 0.20 and above. Stable contains 0.14. I was wondering whether I could load the .deb from usb or something. |
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| 12:43.16 | mercutio22 | I got a small problem with gnome-do crashing because of some problem related to gtk: http://debian.pastebin.com/m5fe4ab21. |
| 12:44.41 | iceroot | i have a package A which needs on some pcs config B on some others config C. so i want to install package A with DPKG, is there a way the user can choose if he wants conf B or conf C with dependencies? i cant use depens: B, C so maybe there is another way? |
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| 12:48.25 | iceroot | someone told me about "provides" but i dont get the idea behind "provides" :( |
| 12:49.14 | themill | iceroot: what are B and C? packages? config files? Your abstraction has gone a little too far for me to know what you mean |
| 12:49.35 | iceroot | themill: packages |
| 12:50.01 | themill | iceroot: so "Depends: B | C" should be fine, no? |
| 12:50.18 | iceroot | themill: | = or? |
| 12:50.55 | themill | iceroot: yes, see §7 of policy |
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| 12:52.21 | iceroot | themill: ok, i am on there |
| 12:52.22 | jelly | steals themill's paragraphs |
| 12:53.11 | themill | jelly: sections! ¶ is paragraph :) |
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| 12:53.30 | jelly | :P |
| 12:53.48 | iceroot | themill: but i dont get the point if the user which is using dpkg -i A can choose if he wants package B or C |
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| 12:54.32 | jelly | themill: Notes: paragraph sign in some European usage |
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| 12:55.05 | themill | iceroot: huh? Isn't that what you want? |
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| 12:55.15 | themill | jelly: crazy continentals! |
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| 12:56.55 | iceroot | themill: i want that the user can choose if he get B or C if installing A. maybe something about update-alternatives or a menu while using dpkg -i A which is asking if the user wants B or C |
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| 12:58.08 | themill | iceroot: dpkg -i doesn't deal with dependencies at all anyway. Why is the user using dpkg and not apt for this? |
| 12:58.39 | iceroot | themill: ok the user is using apt-get, just for the testing i was using dpkg |
| 12:58.49 | iceroot | themill: though its the same |
| 12:58.50 | themill | iceroot: with "Depends: B | C", the user will get B unless they already have C installed or they tell apt to install C at the same time as A. |
| 12:59.30 | jelly | iceroot: also, if they have C in advance, it'll work. Also2 |
| 12:59.36 | themill | yes |
| 12:59.39 | jelly | fails at enter |
| 12:59.51 | maxagaz | how to have a persistent resolv.conf with a ppp connection |
| 12:59.52 | maxagaz | ? |
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| 13:00.11 | jelly | wonders if aptitude install foo +Mdependencyalternative works |
| 13:00.12 | maxagaz | instead of having it replaced by the provider stuffs |
| 13:00.15 | iceroot | themill: jelly: ok i will do some testings with it, thank you |
| 13:00.33 | themill | iceroot: so "aptitude install A" will give them A and B, "aptitude install A C" will give them A and C. "aptitude install C ; aptitude install A" will give then A and C. You might want to set up a cowbuilder or pbuilder environment for testing this all out with. |
| 13:00.41 | themill | dpkg: tell maxagaz about fixresolvconf |
| 13:02.01 | iceroot | themill: yes i have a pbuilder-chroot-environment |
| 13:02.02 | themill | jelly, iceroot: that would be "aptitude install A C+M" |
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| 13:06.32 | jelly | oh great, slightly different syntax in different places of the app |
| 13:07.03 | maxagaz | themill, and then ? |
| 13:07.04 | themill | jelly: yeah, on the command line, they're always postfix operators, at the interactive resolver, they're prefix operators |
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| 13:07.31 | jelly | sighs |
| 13:07.59 | jelly | so is it C/release+M or C+M/release then? :-> |
| 13:08.00 | themill | jelly: but at the command line, they operate on only one package but in the resolver it operates on a list of packages (following) |
| 13:08.10 | themill | iceroot: btw you may or may not want have B and C conflicting so that only one of them can be installed. You'll have to decide that yourself. |
| 13:08.49 | themill | jelly: tias! |
| 13:12.24 | maxagaz | themill, sorry, i just saw the message |
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| 13:13.40 | elipsoid | Hi |
| 13:14.25 | elipsoid | I have some troubles to compile a module needed to compile my webcam driver. Here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/1693874 . I don't understand why it doesn't want to make the .ko ... |
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| 13:15.07 | maxagaz | dpkg: tell gilles about override dns |
| 13:15.29 | liable | elipsoid: it would help if you made the errors speak english |
| 13:15.43 | elipsoid | I'm sorry, i'll do it now |
| 13:17.28 | liable | elipsoid: also please include the full output of the process. |
| 13:17.28 | liable | that looks disjointed |
| 13:17.28 | themill | liable: "No rule to make target" |
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| 13:17.30 | Gertm | What's the simplest 'install-and-go' ftp server available on debian? |
| 13:17.30 | elipsoid | That's done liable |
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| 13:17.42 | liable | elipsoid: and the url is? |
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| 13:17.46 | elipsoid | http://pastebin.ca/1693874 |
| 13:17.57 | elipsoid | That's the full thing |
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| 13:19.04 | liable | elipsoid: are you trying to make just one module from kernel source? btw, the errors arent english still.. |
| 13:19.14 | elipsoid | oO |
| 13:19.29 | elipsoid | reload the page |
| 13:19.40 | elipsoid | I have 'em in english |
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| 13:19.57 | liable | make[1]: *** Pas de règle pour fabriquer la cible « drivers/media/video/compat_ioctl32.o ». Arrêt |
| 13:20.08 | themill | liable, elipsoid: different URL: http://pastebin.ca/1693878 |
| 13:20.13 | liable | thats not english, unless i have had more beers than i thought.. |
| 13:20.40 | nkuttler | liable: french |
| 13:20.42 | elipsoid | Not that's french, but you have to follow the new url :x |
| 13:20.54 | elipsoid | It says that there isn't any rule to make the target |
| 13:21.00 | elipsoid | so it stops (arret ) |
| 13:21.06 | liable | i was following http://pastebin.ca/1693874 which you pasted last |
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| 13:21.13 | elipsoid | sorry liable |
| 13:21.33 | liable | anyway, are you trying to make just one module from a kernel source? |
| 13:21.56 | liable | i am confused by your make command |
| 13:21.58 | elipsoid | I don't know how to find it in the menuconfig. |
| 13:22.06 | elipsoid | Yep i'm trying to compile only that module |
| 13:22.12 | elipsoid | since I didn't find it in the menuconfig |
| 13:22.22 | elipsoid | and it's required for my webcam driver :/ |
| 13:22.40 | elipsoid | If you've any other idea, I'll took it :( |
| 13:22.48 | liable | elipsoid: go into menuconfig hit '/' then type compat_ioctl32 |
| 13:22.56 | elipsoid | I try |
| 13:23.32 | elipsoid | no match :s |
| 13:23.38 | elipsoid | What the hell ... |
| 13:23.44 | liable | or v4l1-compat |
| 13:24.00 | elipsoid | No matches too |
| 13:24.33 | liable | it may be disabled if you dont have the experimental drivers option checked, but i thought that search should find it |
| 13:24.52 | liable | check the v4l section |
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| 13:25.19 | elipsoid | on my way |
| 13:25.47 | jetscreamer | anybody notice they're slipping packages marked experimental into sid? iirc it was libc6-something |
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| 13:25.54 | elipsoid | I have v4l2 as a module |
| 13:26.00 | jetscreamer | not 'the' libc6 |
| 13:26.05 | jetscreamer | but something like it |
| 13:26.12 | elipsoid | and I took the v4l1 api compatible layer |
| 13:26.14 | jetscreamer | qa.. wtf is that |
| 13:26.23 | elipsoid | But there isn't any compat_ioctl32 |
| 13:26.25 | elipsoid | weird ? |
| 13:26.28 | jetscreamer | !qa |
| 13:26.29 | dpkg | [qa] Quality Assurance. Debian Quality Assurance: http://qa.debian.org/ http://wiki.debian.org/qa.debian.org debian-qa@lists.debian.org #debian-qa on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:26.33 | jetscreamer | lies |
| 13:26.58 | elipsoid | I don't think i'll be able to modify the driver to use another module :/ |
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| 13:27.40 | themill | jetscreamer: you've got to be a lot less vague than that to get answers... |
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| 13:27.54 | elipsoid | Start to think that driver is deprecated ... |
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| 13:28.04 | elipsoid | I'll search another, just a look :x |
| 13:28.38 | jetscreamer | themill: i have no question except for 'why' and of course, 'wtf' |
| 13:29.11 | themill | jetscreamer: yeah, but no-one can answer them unless they know wth you're talking about. and "libc6-something" isn't really helpful |
| 13:29.16 | jetscreamer | uh aren't we on v4l2 now |
| 13:29.29 | jetscreamer | yeah i know, guess nobody else noticed it |
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| 13:30.08 | jetscreamer | i didn't write it down, too busy being pissed at 'gee we changed stuff and it broke but it's not our fault it's dselect's ' |
| 13:30.55 | jetscreamer | that, and who tf made apt-listchanges standard and it keeps getting installed even after i uninstall it and after i put it on hold |
| 13:30.58 | themill | jetscreamer: all the libc6-* packages I can find in debian are built from the same source package (eglibc) hence all have the same changelog indicating an upload to "unstable" not "experimental". |
| 13:30.59 | jetscreamer | couple that with udev |
| 13:31.18 | jetscreamer | the package name had experimental in it |
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| 13:31.44 | jetscreamer | i'll have to look later |
| 13:31.58 | Titan8990 | my emacs seems to be missing the emacs manual. Does anyone know if that is a separate package in debian? |
| 13:31.59 | jetscreamer | 2nd time i've seen it also |
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| 13:32.12 | jetscreamer | during an update |
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| 13:32.59 | Titan8990 | erm, I found it. emacs22-common-non-dfsg |
| 13:33.11 | themill | jetscreamer: there are no packages matching libc6*experimental* anywhere in debian. |
| 13:33.24 | jetscreamer | brb then |
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| 13:37.59 | Meizirkki | hi |
| 13:38.25 | jetscreamer | themill: 2009-11-30 05:08:58 upgrade linux-libc-dev 2.6.31-2 2.6.32~rc8-1~experimental. |
| 13:38.32 | Meizirkki | is the debian unstable armel architecture arm4/5/6 or 7? |
| 13:38.56 | Titan8990 | judd, versions linux-libc-dev |
| 13:38.58 | judd | Titan8990: linux-libc-dev -- lenny: 2.6.26-15 lenny-security: 2.6.26-19lenny2 etch-backports: 2.6.26-20~bpo40+1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30-8~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.6.30-8 sid: 2.6.32~rc8-1~experimental.1 |
| 13:39.27 | themill | jetscreamer: right... so that's a package version not a package name (not what you said) |
| 13:39.55 | jetscreamer | gee silly me i thought the name was the name |
| 13:40.06 | jetscreamer | of the package |
| 13:40.14 | jetscreamer | uh..... |
| 13:40.21 | jetscreamer | ignore that sarcasm plz |
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| 13:41.33 | themill | jetscreamer: misinformation makes it even harder to help you than no information. As for why, I don't know. You'll notice that 2.6.32-rc8 is now in sid though. |
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| 13:42.20 | jetscreamer | i noticed that it downloaded that whatever that says experimental on it and installed it 2 hours ago |
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| 13:42.46 | jetscreamer | but, i don't care about it just wondered if anybody else noticed. |
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| 13:43.31 | jetscreamer | and no i don't have experimental in sources if anybody wondered |
| 13:44.47 | themill | nobody was wondering, because the changelog very clearly says "unstable" and that it was uploaded 9 days ago. |
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| 13:48.40 | jetscreamer | ok so i now have a version of linux-libc-dev that's experimental.. |
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| 13:49.19 | themill | You'd also have an experimental kernel to go with it if you were really tracking sid. |
| 13:49.39 | elipsoid | I'm a freakin' foold |
| 13:49.41 | elipsoid | (d |
| 13:49.57 | themill | dpkg, comfort elipsoid |
| 13:49.57 | dpkg | There, there, elipsoid. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:49.58 | elipsoid | The driver is included in the kernel since the last time I did it :x |
| 13:50.04 | elipsoid | haha |
| 13:50.38 | elipsoid | 2 hours that i'm tryin' to compile it, and it's there, underneath my weaky eyes ... as a module in the kernel :x |
| 13:50.43 | elipsoid | hates itselfs :x |
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| 13:51.30 | jpinx-eeepc | I have a server box broadcasting gdm and a client box logged into it, how can I get separate sound on the client? |
| 13:51.40 | jetscreamer | ok i'm going to free up 90 gigs see ya later |
| 13:52.14 | Titan8990 | dmix maybe? |
| 13:52.15 | Titan8990 | !dmix |
| 13:52.15 | dpkg | i heard dmix is an ALSA subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/Dmix or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 13:52.30 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: cool - reading - thanks |
| 13:52.34 | subsu | I'm running lenny and need mercurial from lenny-backports. I have no testing installation and I'm in a bit of a hurry(the server is our development server). If I understand backports right I can add backport.org to my sources.list, run an update and then select individual packages with 'apt-get -t lenny-backports install "mercurial"'. All the other packages will still use lenny. Am I correct? |
| 13:52.51 | jpinx-eeepc | yes |
| 13:53.03 | babilen | !tell subsu -about bpo |
| 13:53.12 | jpinx-eeepc | subsu: I'll use your qusetion as a how-to for backports :Dt |
| 13:53.20 | elipsoid | Ok, and now it works :x |
| 13:54.03 | subsu | jpinx-eeepc: you do that. The Instructions page is very nice, but I can't afford to missunderstand this. |
| 13:54.26 | subsu | jpinx-eeepc: Thank you |
| 13:54.53 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: do you happen to know if dmix will put skype onto the client? |
| 13:54.59 | iceroot | is there a way to use apt-get install with local deb files (and virtual packages)? because dpkg does not seems to work with virtual-packages, so i want to try apt-get install but that is only searching in the repos |
| 13:55.21 | jpinx-eeepc | subsu: it only installs what you specify with -t lenny-backports. |
| 13:55.25 | elipsoid | See you here. I'll try not to bother you again with that high-level-fool problems |
| 13:55.29 | jpinx-eeepc | subsu: but use aptitude - not apt-get |
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| 13:55.38 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, no, but im pretty sure something dmix is necessary whenever you want alsa to be able to play multiple sound streams |
| 13:56.01 | subsu | jpinx-eeepc: I'm using aptitude, just copy-pasted from backports 'Instructions' page. |
| 13:56.15 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: I'll fiddle with it and see - thanks for the pointer :) |
| 13:56.26 | jpinx-eeepc | subsu: cool - you'll be safe |
| 13:57.12 | jpinx-eeepc | subsu: stable with backports is a stable system for production |
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| 13:59.19 | subsu | jpinx-eeepc: Good to hear. However, we need to make sure this server runs exactly the same packages as production though(except for mercurial). So I can't add any other packages from backports. But mercurial would be fine since we don't use python in production. |
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| 14:00.06 | MayaT | hello :) |
| 14:00.24 | jpinx-eeepc | subsu: aptitude will only use the backports repo for what you install with -t lenny-backports |
| 14:00.31 | subsu | yes |
| 14:00.40 | jpinx-eeepc | good morning MayaT |
| 14:00.50 | themill | iceroot: apt-get can't deal with .deb files unless they're in a repo (/msg dpkg own repo). You can't dpkg -i a virtual package because there's no package to .deb to install, but you can still dpkg -i foo.deb where foo depends on a virtual package in the same way as with any other package that has dependencies |
| 14:01.03 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: didn't we discuss just yesterday that "aptitude will only use the backports repo for what you install with -t lenny-backports" wasn't true? |
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| 14:01.40 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly did I misunderstand that? |
| 14:01.47 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: it might also install stuffs from, say, stable. |
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| 14:01.51 | magyar_ | hi, i cant wrap my mind around xen implementation, is there a xen install disk, or do i install stable and install xen kernel? |
| 14:02.18 | themill | jelly, jpinx-eeepc: the syntax of jpinx-eeepc's comment is subtle but correct.... |
| 14:02.28 | sepult | magyar_: stable and xen |
| 14:02.37 | subsu | jelly: Do you mean it will fall back on stable if the package is missing in backports? |
| 14:02.38 | jpinx-eeepc | did't intend to be too sublte |
| 14:02.39 | Titan8990 | !tell magyar_ about xen |
| 14:02.44 | jelly | subsu: right |
| 14:02.50 | jpinx-eeepc | subsu: yes |
| 14:02.59 | sepult | magyar_: but beware that the kernel build for xen won't be usable |
| 14:03.00 | sepult | as such |
| 14:03.04 | ranix | magyar_: Xen is a few components. The operating system that runs Xen must have a custom kernel for utilizing hardware acceleration and some other features; this OS is referred to as the "hypervisor" |
| 14:03.07 | jpinx-eeepc | subsu: sorry if my explanation was poor:( |
| 14:03.08 | jelly | themill: oh, I misparsed! |
| 14:03.11 | subsu | jelly: ok |
| 14:03.12 | themill | jelly: "it will only use the backports repo when you use -t" in the sense that backports will not normally be used if you don't use -t :) |
| 14:03.24 | sepult | magyar_: you have to put the xen-hypervisor.gz as kernel when |
| 14:03.24 | sepult | booting into |
| 14:03.48 | subsu | jpinx-eeepc: no problem:) |
| 14:03.52 | sepult | magyar_: not the other ..blah-i686-xen |
| 14:03.53 | jpinx-eeepc | subsu: -t will force aptitude to look for the specified package in backports *first* |
| 14:04.11 | subsu | but maby it should be a note about that on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 14:04.25 | jpinx-eeepc | subsu: if the package is not in backports, aptitude will look in it's other sources |
| 14:04.30 | ranix | magyar_: don't feel bad by the way, xen is the most complex to install and administer amongst all the VMs |
| 14:04.34 | magyar_ | sepult, so i need to build a custom kernel? |
| 14:04.35 | subsu | jpinx-eeepc: yes |
| 14:04.43 | jpinx-eeepc | subsu: point taken - email them ;) |
| 14:04.59 | magyar_ | ranix, which one is more simple to deploy? |
| 14:05.11 | subsu | jpinx-eeepc: I'll send them an email |
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| 14:05.47 | sepult | magyar_: no when you install xen with stable, it will install a |
| 14:05.47 | sepult | default kernel, which it alone is not bootable, the kernel line have |
| 14:05.47 | sepult | to contain the hypervisor.gz which is put into boot when installing |
| 14:05.51 | jpinx-eeepc | goes back to virtually chopping up his soundcard |
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| 14:06.01 | ranix | magyar_: xen is my pick personally |
| 14:06.10 | sepult | magyar_: put into /boot i mean for grub |
| 14:06.28 | ranix | magyar_: if you only need something simple and slow is fine, you can go with qemu, which is very easy |
| 14:07.09 | magyar_ | ranix, i need a hypervisor, as i need to run 20 win boxes |
| 14:07.16 | Titan8990 | vbox is faster and very easy |
| 14:07.47 | Titan8990 | magyar_, windows servers? |
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| 14:07.51 | ranix | magyar_: yeah for something like that you probably want Xen. Some people use virtualbox, if you don't need some of the xen features |
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| 14:08.16 | subsu | jelly: Can you verify that aptitude actually do fall back to the default repo, do you have an aptitude version when this happends? |
| 14:08.30 | jpinx-eeepc | where do I get alsa's version? |
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| 14:08.50 | magyar_ | ranix, so, i need to install stable on lvm and than install hypervisor and xen kernel? |
| 14:09.11 | ZeZu | 20 win boxes ?? |
| 14:09.28 | ZeZu | off one machine? |
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| 14:09.33 | ranix | magyar_: you'll want to install stable however it is you do that, and get a basic system installed and ready to rock. Then, replace your kernel with a Xen HV kernel. Then install xen |
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| 14:10.37 | magyar_ | ranix, k, ill give it a whirl, do i need X on the system? |
| 14:11.06 | ranix | magyar_: how many simultaneous windows installs are you going to run, here? |
| 14:11.16 | magyar_ | twenty |
| 14:11.24 | ranix | magyar_: what kind of hardware do you have |
| 14:11.42 | magyar_ | dell pe R710 |
| 14:11.42 | iceroot | themill: thank you, i am using an own repo now :) its working fine with apt-get install and virtual-packages |
| 14:11.47 | magyar_ | ranix, ^ |
| 14:12.07 | magyar_ | 64 GB ram two eight core cpus |
| 14:12.40 | ranix | magyar_: ok, let me know how it works out, I am interested |
| 14:12.44 | ranix | magyar_: I would not install X on that |
| 14:12.46 | jelly | subsu: dunno abot versions, but it definitely does, and apt-get as well. |
| 14:12.46 | magyar_ | raid 10 sas 15k |
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| 14:12.50 | kjoonlee | hi |
| 14:12.50 | JyZyXEL | where does sshd log in debian? |
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| 14:13.04 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:13.14 | ranix | JyZyXEL: syslog |
| 14:13.17 | subsu | jelly: Ok. Thank you. Sending a mail to the backports team |
| 14:13.28 | magyar_ | ranix, roger, thanks and i'll let you know, can I ping you in this channel? |
| 14:14.15 | sepult | magyar_: http://wiki.xensource.com |
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| 14:14.58 | ranix | judd: and also auth.log for logins like petemc said. I think sshd errors go to syslog according to the verbage in the manpage |
| 14:14.58 | judd | ranix: Error: "and" is not a valid command. |
| 14:15.01 | ranix | magyar_: yep always here |
| 14:15.11 | ranix | judd: that was meant for JyZyXEL! |
| 14:15.12 | judd | ranix: Error: "that" is not a valid command. |
| 14:15.24 | magyar_ | sweet, thanks ranix |
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| 14:15.56 | Kanisterschleife | hi |
| 14:16.32 | Kanisterschleife | How can I change the default zoom for xpdf? |
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| 14:18.38 | nkuttler | Kanisterschleife: man xpdf |
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| 14:29.42 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 14:29.42 | dpkg | < FieldySnuts> someone who realizes this may get them severely larted do this: -!- sgeigerbot [n=user@h216-170-007-123.adsl.navix.net] has joined #debian |
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| 14:30.22 | liable | i still dont get that one.. |
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| 14:32.55 | koollman | how can I find out why my server tries connect with ipv6 for an update ? (that is, 'Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:a78::1a)' . there is only a loopback/link ipv6 address, no route to anywhere. no way it can work) |
| 14:33.26 | abrotman | liable: maybe just the timing ? |
| 14:33.51 | liable | abrotman: are you saying you get it? |
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| 14:34.08 | abrotman | liable: i'm saying that's the only thing i can see (other than the opinion of sgeigerbot?) |
| 14:34.36 | liable | abrotman: i dont see why its a qotd. its not funny.. |
| 14:35.27 | abrotman | liable: ask asg! HEEEE made it! |
| 14:35.36 | liable | figures.. |
| 14:35.52 | liable | he hasn't been around for a bit |
| 14:36.02 | liable | your mate! |
| 14:36.03 | ArZa | Anyone wanna explain thoroughly how to setup an ipv6-tunnel(broker) and own reverse? one tried it but didn't succeed |
| 14:36.04 | abrotman | sure he has .. i think just not for the two hours you're around :) |
| 14:36.48 | jpinx-eeepc | !qotd1 |
| 14:36.48 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 14:37.46 | asg | abrotman: which qotd? |
| 14:38.01 | abrotman | asg: qotd135 |
| 14:38.24 | liable | wonders if they are one and the same |
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| 14:38.40 | liable | or live together? |
| 14:39.23 | asg | abrotman: that was years ago, I don't remember now |
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| 14:39.35 | abrotman | asg: i know ... |
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| 14:43.07 | xreal | How can I automount my USB-HDD and sticks in Debian Lenny? |
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| 14:47.41 | abrotman | asg: if you were really that interested, the URL in the topic has logs back that far |
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| 14:52.27 | qwd | xreal: google fstab, I think that's where you do it. |
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| 14:57.39 | xreal | thx |
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| 15:27.45 | Kukosk | hi all … i have o a lot of unused RAM on my server…. you know you have … free ram, used ram, and the inactive part, which is about 1GB in my case … i think that this is too much … how to realize which apps are consuming the ram ? |
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| 15:28.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Kukosk: pastebin the output of free -m |
| 15:28.48 | amphi | Kukosk: top |
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| 15:29.05 | FreakGuard | how to list the files in a package? |
| 15:29.13 | abrotman | FreakGuard: apt-file or dpkg -L |
| 15:29.25 | Kukosk | http://pastebin.com/m76fb4605 |
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| 15:29.39 | abrotman | !free ram |
| 15:29.39 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
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| 15:30.38 | jpinx-eeepc | Kukosk: your memory looks fine - you're just ot using much |
| 15:30.43 | jpinx-eeepc | *not |
| 15:31.21 | \amethyst | dpkg, free ram =~ s/cache'./cache', or the last number on the second line./ |
| 15:31.21 | dpkg | that's too long, \amethyst |
| 15:32.06 | Kukosk | so when more guests will come to my page the cached ram will free up ? |
| 15:32.28 | Kukosk | have now 1000 guests there |
| 15:32.59 | d1b | Kukosk: guests ? |
| 15:33.10 | Kukosk | visitors |
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| 15:33.19 | Kukosk | sry |
| 15:33.22 | \amethyst | Kukosk: well, some of the cached RAM will become 'used' |
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| 15:33.44 | \amethyst | Kukosk: then when they leave it will become free, until it is (probably quickly) used for programs or for cache again |
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| 15:34.13 | Kukosk | ah, so i dont need no upgrade or so ? |
| 15:34.13 | d1b | Kukosk: is it an issue ? |
| 15:34.27 | d1b | you seem to have lots of memory ;) |
| 15:34.54 | Kukosk | ok, thanks very much :) |
| 15:35.03 | \amethyst | Kukosk: what are the numbers? |
| 15:35.07 | jpinx-eeepc | Kukosk: relax and enjoy your day :) |
| 15:35.10 | \amethyst | Kukosk: the first line of free that is |
| 15:35.10 | Kukosk | what numbers ? |
| 15:35.23 | jpinx-eeepc | \amethyst: see the paste |
| 15:35.23 | \amethyst | the first non-header line |
| 15:35.27 | \amethyst | oh, I missed it |
| 15:35.28 | Kukosk | http://pastebin.com/m76fb4605 |
| 15:35.37 | jpinx-eeepc | ;) |
| 15:35.52 | \amethyst | Kukosk: yeah, so you really have about 2 GiB free out of 3 GiB |
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| 15:36.45 | homecable | anyone complie the 2.6.31.6 in debian yet ? |
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| 15:36.59 | d1b | homecable: agessssssssssssss ago. |
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| 15:37.12 | d1b | homecable: don't know if it is in sid yet tho. |
| 15:37.12 | Kukosk | thanks very much |
| 15:37.12 | \amethyst | Kukosk: the fact that an entire 843 MiB is completely unused is probably because your system is serving a lot of users, so you're having processes die and give up their memory fairly frequently |
| 15:37.34 | maxd | what does it mean, when debian installation hangs on "preparing foomatic-db"? lendy as guest on virtualbox. |
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| 15:37.39 | Kukosk | yes, that may be true |
| 15:37.41 | maxd | lenny* |
| 15:38.06 | d1b | maxd: not that much .... |
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| 15:38.17 | maxd | ok :[ |
| 15:38.30 | d1b | maxd: does it always happen tho? |
| 15:38.34 | homecable | d1b can u pm me |
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| 15:39.06 | maxd | d1b, no. 1st time. when i used graphical install, everything was fine. |
| 15:39.32 | maxd | and this time i also added 1more dvd |
| 15:39.53 | maxd | but otherwise everything the same |
| 15:40.51 | d1b | maxd: so can you repoduce the error? |
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| 15:41.21 | maxd | i have to start over again |
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| 15:41.46 | EndBothWarsNow | Hope there's no exploits in this version. :) |
| 15:41.55 | d1b | EndBothWarsNow: um.... |
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| 15:42.08 | EndBothWarsNow | Anyway, my Debian install is using about 3.6GB of RAM according to free. |
| 15:42.18 | abrotman | !tell EndBothWarsNow about free ram |
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| 15:42.33 | d1b | EndBothWarsNow: the more ram the better! |
| 15:42.42 | d1b | all the more to cache with. |
| 15:43.05 | EndBothWarsNow | Okay, I understand that point. |
| 15:43.06 | themill | EndBothWarsNow: "using" or "seeing". |
| 15:43.10 | maxd | !tell maxd about free ram |
| 15:43.24 | simonrvn | maxd: /msg the bot (dpkg) |
| 15:43.27 | amphi | !tell maxd -about selftell |
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| 15:43.47 | EndBothWarsNow | !tell makes my IRC client minimize itself :\ |
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| 15:43.57 | simonrvn | ... |
| 15:44.00 | d1b | .... |
| 15:44.00 | maxd | ok, got it ;] |
| 15:44.01 | amphi | haha |
| 15:44.18 | simonrvn | [malkkis hastily puts his pants back on] |
| 15:44.51 | EndBothWarsNow | Anyway, is there a way to gauge how much memory is really available (minus cache)? |
| 15:45.25 | Justin_ | EndBothWarsNow: how many numbers do you get when you run 'free' ? |
| 15:45.34 | simonrvn | 12 |
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| 15:45.55 | d1b | EndBothWarsNow: use top |
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| 15:53.02 | user_ | I want to change the crontab with a script: http://paste.ubuntu.com/331780/. If I use vim or launch a shell, editing works, but if I use a script to edit the /tmp/crontab* file, it says 'No modification made'. |
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| 15:53.07 | user_ | I don't nuderstand why |
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| 15:54.24 | user_ | it is not a issue of the script, any script fails; vim/nano works though |
| 15:55.03 | Justin_ | user_: crontab -l | sed | crontab - |
| 15:55.56 | nkuttler | user_: and man crontab |
| 15:56.14 | nkuttler | (1) |
| 15:56.22 | user_ | Justin_: does this work across distributions or just on debians |
| 15:56.56 | EndBothWarsNow | Any. |
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| 15:59.00 | maxd | interesting. seems like it was random bug. restarted installation process and now its fine. |
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| 15:59.36 | user_ | Justin_, nkuttler, EndBothWarsNow: thanks you |
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| 15:59.46 | user_ | argh I can't type :-/ |
| 15:59.47 | EndBothWarsNow | np |
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| 16:00.58 | xreal | I want to reach a partition via /mypartition => should I mount it to /mnt/partition and symlink it to /mypartition or should I directly mount it to /mypartition? |
| 16:00.58 | oggei | hi |
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| 16:01.24 | EndBothWarsNow | xreal: Directly mount. |
| 16:01.34 | xreal | okay |
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| 16:11.41 | Drunken_Irony | o/ |
| 16:11.53 | Drunken_Irony | I've installed debian on my lappy and now am considering it on my desktop. |
| 16:12.04 | Drunken_Irony | My question is, how is debian working out with the core i7 processors? |
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| 16:17.40 | Titan8990 | Drunken_Irony, they support i686 just like many of its predecessors. If anything there may be a lack of drivers for chipsets that come on lga 1366 boards |
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| 16:24.49 | Thuuugs | Currently using Debian Squeeze, wanting to edit 'max memory size', doing a ulimit -a currently shows 'unlimited' however someone mentioned that it isn't truly 'unlimited'. Im running 64bit, and was wondering the best way around doing this? |
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| 16:26.48 | helo | how big do you need it to be? |
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| 16:27.33 | petemc | inifinite! |
| 16:27.40 | petemc | but spelt right |
| 16:27.40 | Thuuugs | helo: well I'd like it unlimited so apps can use as much as they need, but im assuming that isnt possible? what is 'unlimited' true value atm? |
| 16:28.52 | helo | unlimited is always impossible |
| 16:29.08 | helo | but surely you have some idea of the memory size of the apps that will be running |
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| 16:29.36 | helo | and i would be surprised if they were larger than a gig or two |
| 16:29.44 | Thuuugs | helo: fair enuf - well say I currently have 6GB physical memory and the app in questions 'max_memory' is set to 6GB also |
| 16:29.48 | rmrfchik | hmm, SATA hotplug, can it be real? |
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| 16:30.31 | helo | php? |
| 16:30.48 | Thuuugs | helo: rtorrent |
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| 16:31.08 | rpgdude | i have a quick question |
| 16:31.15 | uwjweq | How can I have locate only search below the current directory? |
| 16:31.24 | rpgdude | how do i export environment variables to my X environment |
| 16:31.31 | rpgdude | i tried using .profile |
| 16:31.38 | rpgdude | it doesnt seem to work |
| 16:31.48 | Thuuugs | helo: what files am I looking to edit? just '/etc/security/limits.conf'? |
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| 16:32.37 | helo | Thuuugs: i've never changed it globally... but that looks right to me |
| 16:33.04 | helo | Thuuugs: if you change that, reboot, and kill -6 SOMEPID, you should get a core |
| 16:33.15 | xreal | current osm2pgsql seems to be corrupt ;-( |
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| 16:33.42 | EndBothWarsNow | Hmm, privmsgs seem to make it crash. |
| 16:33.50 | Thuuugs | helo: a core? |
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| 16:37.05 | Justin_ | uwjweq: | grep `pwd` |
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| 16:38.56 | iceroot | how to get the device-id from a usb-device if lsusb is not installed |
| 16:39.04 | Justin_ | iceroot: install lsusb |
| 16:39.10 | iceroot | Justin_: funny |
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| 16:40.34 | nkuttler | iceroot: somewhere in /proc/bus/usb/ probably |
| 16:41.41 | iceroot | nkuttler: thx |
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| 16:43.08 | deus | Debian still us xorg 7.3 rite? |
| 16:43.13 | iceroot | the devide-id is device-specific or is number comming from the usb-hub, so its different on every system |
| 16:43.22 | abrotman | EndBothWarsNow: make what crash ? |
| 16:44.05 | rpgdude | nm, i just figured it out, .gnomerc |
| 16:44.07 | deus | Or was it 7.4? |
| 16:44.24 | Justin_ | deus: packages.debian.org |
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| 16:47.16 | d1b | judd: version xserver-xorg |
| 16:47.17 | judd | d1b: (version takes no arguments) -- Returns the version of the current bot. |
| 16:47.26 | d1b | judd: versions xserver-xorg |
| 16:47.26 | judd | d1b: xserver-xorg -- etch: 1:7.1.0-19 lenny: 1:7.3+18 sid: 1:7.4+4 squeeze: 1:7.4+4 experimental: 1:7.5~2 |
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| 16:48.46 | deus | lenny it is then |
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| 16:48.58 | deus | need something for ati legacy drivers |
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| 16:50.38 | rpgdude | does ATI R600 3D support work in squeeze? |
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| 16:52.54 | Titan8990 | judd, versions fglrx |
| 16:52.54 | judd | Titan8990: fglrx -- |
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| 16:53.17 | Titan8990 | judd, versions fglrx-source |
| 16:53.18 | judd | Titan8990: fglrx-source -- lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4 sid/non-free: 1:9-11-2 squeeze/non-free: 1:9-11-2 |
| 16:53.39 | Titan8990 | judd, versions fglrx-glx |
| 16:53.41 | judd | Titan8990: fglrx-glx -- etch-backports/non-free: 8.47.3-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 1:8-12-4 sid/non-free: 1:9-11-2 squeeze/non-free: 1:9-11-2 |
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| 16:54.03 | Titan8990 | rpgdude, see if that version of fglrx supports your card |
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| 16:57.18 | vinces1979 | is away: Gone away for now http://zmsocial.net |
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| 16:58.05 | Rprp` | Hi, i just installed Debian server on a Supermicro X8STi-F (mainboard) - but i cant get internet on the server... can someone help me please? 'ifconfig eth0 up' gives 'Unknown device' |
| 16:58.43 | abrotman | Rprp`: lspci -nn .. what is the [1234:a354] ? |
| 16:59.22 | Rprp` | Cant find [1234:a354] |
| 16:59.25 | rpgdude | im already using fglrx, thats the problem |
| 16:59.46 | rpgdude | i want to use the new mesa |
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| 16:59.54 | Rprp` | Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82574L Gigabit Network Connection [8086:3a26] |
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| 16:59.56 | d1b | rpgdude: toooo bad. |
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| 17:00.20 | d1b | rpgdude: you may have to wait for ati to release and updated version of fglrx, check the site etc. |
| 17:02.56 | deus | rpgdude: probably not |
| 17:03.04 | rpgdude | d1b: ati release the source code for the driver a long time ago |
| 17:03.13 | homecable | most linux uses aim to buy nvidia video cards |
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| 17:03.17 | rpgdude | i just wanted to know if this is in debian yet |
| 17:03.18 | d1b | fonzotic: not for fglrx. |
| 17:03.27 | d1b | erh rpgdude * |
| 17:03.44 | deus | rpgdude: or wait |
| 17:03.44 | d1b | rpgdude: i believe that some specifictions were released but code, no. |
| 17:03.46 | deus | maybe |
| 17:03.48 | d1b | not exactly. |
| 17:03.54 | d1b | !radeon |
| 17:03.55 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). For chipsets prior to R600 (i.e. models up to and including the X1950), use the 'radeon' xorg driver and optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (recent chipsets, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 17:03.57 | deus | rpgdude: legacy drivers dont support 7.5 of xorg |
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| 17:04.28 | rpgdude | fedora 12 uses the new driver |
| 17:05.10 | deus | rpgdude: what version of xorg does fedora 12 use? |
| 17:05.16 | deus | Also |
| 17:05.34 | deus | what the hell happend to the ATI announcement that they were going to open source their drivers? |
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| 17:05.39 | rpgdude | they did |
| 17:05.46 | Justin_ | s/drivers/specs/ |
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| 17:05.58 | rpgdude | the new driver is in the kernel |
| 17:06.07 | rpgdude | im not sure what version though |
| 17:07.27 | deus | ah i see |
| 17:08.18 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:3a26 |
| 17:08.20 | judd | abrotman: [8086:3a26] is '82801JI (ICH10 Family) 2 port SATA IDE Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel module 'ata_piix' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3a26 |
| 17:08.34 | abrotman | Rprp`: i hpoe that's not it ... |
| 17:08.44 | deus | Well |
| 17:08.50 | deus | hmm |
| 17:08.59 | deus | I need to bother some ubuntu people |
| 17:09.06 | Rprp` | abrotman: it is |
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| 17:10.03 | Rprp` | abrotman: 01:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation 82574L Gigabit Network Connection [8086:10d3] --- to be exact, cant copy/paste hehe. |
| 17:11.02 | abrotman | that's different than what oyu gave me before |
| 17:11.07 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:10d3 |
| 17:11.09 | judd | abrotman: [8086:10d3] is '82574L Gigabit Network Connection' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'e1000e' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:10d3 |
| 17:11.36 | abrotman | Rprp`: so your choice is basically to use the kmuto installer, or manually get the 2.6.30 from backports.org and use that |
| 17:12.35 | Rprp` | Where can i find that kmuto installer? |
| 17:12.42 | abrotman | !tell Rprp` about kmuto |
| 17:13.14 | Rprp` | thnx :) gonna give it a try |
| 17:14.36 | FreakGuard | how to search a specific repo? |
| 17:14.58 | abrotman | for what? |
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| 17:15.05 | FreakGuard | abrotman, packages |
| 17:15.29 | deus | abrotman: Duh :) |
| 17:16.26 | deus | FreakGuard: methink he needed a more specific answer |
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| 17:17.04 | FreakGuard | deus, I want to look for packages in a specific repo |
| 17:17.20 | macrobat | FreakGuard: you disable all the other repos, do aptitude update and search |
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| 17:17.34 | FreakGuard | macrobat, that can't be it? |
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| 17:17.36 | deus | macrobat: meticusly comment out all the other repos and yes what macrobat said |
| 17:17.44 | deus | hey it works |
| 17:17.45 | FreakGuard | wtf? |
| 17:18.25 | FreakGuard | pacman -Sl core | grep <package name> # is there something like that? |
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| 17:18.31 | macrobat | or you visit the mirror with your web browsaer or ftp client and have a look |
| 17:19.10 | rpgdude | according to the linux kernel changelog, support for ATI Radeon R600 is included in 2.6.30 |
| 17:19.39 | rpgdude | it also needs mesa 7.6 to work |
| 17:19.45 | rpgdude | for 3d |
| 17:20.25 | macrobat | FreakGuard: there is no repo information about where your pkgs come from |
| 17:20.26 | FreakGuard | macrobat, is there no way to list all the package name of a repo? grep is pretty useful :-) |
| 17:20.53 | macrobat | just search all repos and pipe through grep |
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| 17:21.15 | FreakGuard | can't I search just one? :-/ |
| 17:21.18 | rpgdude | so it looks like it should work on squeeze |
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| 17:21.32 | rpgdude | only thing im not sure about is the xorg video driver |
| 17:21.41 | Titan8990 | rpgdude, mesa is for the radeonhd drivers iirc |
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| 17:23.09 | [jasper] | hej guys, my system won't format my harddisks during install |
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| 17:23.27 | [jasper] | it hangs on trying to make ext3 system on it |
| 17:23.27 | Titan8990 | [jasper], whats the error? |
| 17:23.40 | macrobat | FreakGuard: i like |
| 17:23.43 | babilen | [jasper]: how long does it 'hang' ? |
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| 17:24.04 | macrobat | packagesearch for package search |
| 17:24.09 | [jasper] | indefinitaly it appeasrs babilen |
| 17:24.16 | Titan8990 | [jasper], you can use a livecd to create the partitions prior to installation. then during the installation you just need to choose the appropriate mount points |
| 17:24.31 | [jasper] | how long could it take? |
| 17:24.42 | [jasper] | the hardddisk led is burning constantly |
| 17:24.44 | [jasper] | during the process |
| 17:24.47 | Titan8990 | [jasper], 1tb could take 5-10min |
| 17:24.50 | [jasper] | could it be just a matter of waiting? |
| 17:24.53 | [jasper] | it's 160 gn |
| 17:24.54 | [jasper] | gb |
| 17:25.09 | babilen | [jasper]: don't know. But there was somebody here some days ago who thought the creation was stalled, but it succeeded after a while .. can't remember how long he waited though |
| 17:25.09 | privatix | i have lenny on a usb stick which is /dev/sda1 how do i mount all the partitions on /dev/hda? |
| 17:25.40 | [jasper] | it's a brand new harddisk |
| 17:25.47 | [jasper] | could it be taking longer then somehow? |
| 17:25.48 | babilen | [jasper]: should not take that long ... try booting a live CD (grml, knoppix, debian live, ...) and create the FS prior to installation |
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| 17:25.55 | Titan8990 | privatix, use fdisk -l to see which partitions /dev/hda contain, then mount them |
| 17:26.31 | [jasper] | babilen syslog doesn't report any errors |
| 17:26.32 | [jasper] | or something |
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| 17:26.41 | [jasper] | is there any way to see the process of the format ? |
| 17:26.48 | babilen | [jasper]: Or do you get any error message? something that might give a clue why it takes so long/stalls? |
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| 17:27.32 | rpgdude | Titan8990: it should work with radeon driver too from what i read |
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| 17:27.50 | P_Kable | Hello, I have a big problem on a server, I boot it and it says grub error 15 , how can I fix this please ? |
| 17:28.10 | rpgdude | you also need xorg video driver ati 6.12 |
| 17:28.28 | rpgdude | which is also in squeeze |
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| 17:28.39 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, typically means you kernel or root line is incorrect in menu.lst |
| 17:28.44 | babilen | P_Kable: boot a live CD and edit grub's menu.lst |
| 17:28.51 | rpgdude | so it looks like if i update my system to squeeze, i can run a totally free system |
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| 17:29.07 | P_Kable | babilen, can I boot something else ? it's on ESX |
| 17:29.24 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, anything that will give you access to the filesystem |
| 17:29.52 | P_Kable | I'm off site, I just ESX client |
| 17:30.00 | P_Kable | I just have |
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| 17:30.04 | privatix | Titan i am running this comand losetup -e AES256 -K /boot/keys/boot.gpg /dev/loop1 /dev/hda -o @602094233 -s 1073741824 /dev/loop1: No such file or directory |
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| 17:32.11 | P_Kable | Please I really need your help on this |
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| 17:33.25 | simonrvn | !error 15 |
| 17:33.32 | simonrvn | !grub error 15 |
| 17:33.33 | dpkg | For grub error 15, see http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/grub-error-guide.xml |
| 17:34.07 | babilen | It just means "File not found" probably an error in the menu.lst |
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| 17:34.21 | Titan8990 | babilen, right, but he has not access to the filesystem |
| 17:34.34 | Titan8990 | so hes probably screwed |
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| 17:35.06 | privatix | is there a way to what hidden files are on sda1 the usb stick from command line i know boot.gpg is there just cannot see it |
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| 17:35.44 | babilen | yes, i am aware of that. |
| 17:36.29 | babilen | P_Kable: Do you have any way to boot another image? something like a rescue console that let's you mount your servers file systems? |
| 17:36.40 | P_Kable | no |
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| 17:37.11 | Titan8990 | privatix, try `modprobe loop` |
| 17:37.13 | P_Kable | an ISO of debian would do it ? |
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| 17:37.35 | Titan8990 | privatix, if "hidden" mean encrypted, then no, not unless to unencrypt it |
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| 17:38.22 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, possibly, but it would be more difficult than a live cd |
| 17:38.44 | P_Kable | Can you tell me how to do it please ? |
| 17:39.04 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, do what specifically? |
| 17:39.11 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, boot the livecd? |
| 17:39.24 | P_Kable | no |
| 17:39.30 | P_Kable | :| |
| 17:39.31 | babilen | P_Kable: It seems like you have access to a virtual machine via ESX? This virtual machine is borked and won't boot? correct? |
| 17:39.42 | P_Kable | correct babilen |
| 17:40.10 | P_Kable | I checked and do not even have access to an ISO file |
| 17:40.10 | babilen | P_Kable: ok, do you have any way to get physical access to the system? |
| 17:40.15 | P_Kable | no |
| 17:40.27 | babilen | thought so, but still |
| 17:40.28 | P_Kable | I'm 250 miles away |
| 17:41.02 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, the administrator of the host can not help? |
| 17:41.03 | [jasper] | guys, what's the commando to do a manual partition |
| 17:41.05 | [jasper] | during debian boot? |
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| 17:41.09 | [jasper] | is tthis a possibility? |
| 17:41.18 | babilen | P_Kable: hmm, two options then. Get a local tech to fix it for you or get a new image and restore your data from the nightly backups |
| 17:41.27 | Titan8990 | [jasper], you might just be able to ctrl+alt+f2 and use fdisk |
| 17:41.36 | babilen | hei, wait ... |
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| 17:42.09 | privatix | Titan8990; thanks that did it modprobe loop i was asked from password now /boot/keys/boot.gpg is on another usb stick which is mounted at /dev/sbd1 the message i now get is Error: unable to open /boot/keys/boot.gpg for reading how can i copy rgis boot.gpg file to somewhere where it can be read? |
| 17:42.20 | babilen | P_Kable: hang on ... |
| 17:42.30 | P_Kable | ... |
| 17:42.38 | privatix | this |
| 17:42.41 | Titan8990 | privatix, not sure on that one |
| 17:43.17 | babilen | P_Kable: Do you have access to the grub boot menu? |
| 17:43.19 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, do you know how you menu.lst got changed in the first place? what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:43.25 | krushik | I have only ssh access to remote server. Can I find out it's hardware info. I need to know what type or RAM does it use |
| 17:43.30 | Titan8990 | babilen, ah, didn't think of that :) |
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| 17:43.37 | babilen | neither ... |
| 17:43.43 | dkr | krushik: hwinfo |
| 17:43.44 | Titan8990 | krushik, lshw |
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| 17:43.55 | babilen | I just had a ... 'wait a minute' moment |
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| 17:44.10 | privatix | Titan8990:i will just create the key on the usb that is now running lenny |
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| 17:44.57 | babilen | P_Kable: So, do you have access to the Grub boot meny? |
| 17:47.03 | babilen | pokes P_Kable |
| 17:47.08 | P_Kable | yes* |
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| 17:47.16 | babilen | yes? \o/ |
| 17:47.25 | buckfast | babilen: dismounted one memory, didnt crash for hours |
| 17:47.29 | P_Kable | I can boot from an iso, but what iso do you recommend ? |
| 17:47.36 | babilen | buckfast: \o/ !! |
| 17:47.42 | P_Kable | jsut have to Dl it |
| 17:48.03 | babilen | buckfast: cool. Freezes like that are frequently related to fucked memory |
| 17:48.17 | buckfast | babilen: i'm gonna try and put only the 'broken' memory in and see if that really was the problem |
| 17:48.19 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, you can use the "e" key from the grub menu to edit menu.lst prior to booting so you can fix it |
| 17:48.27 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, back to my last question |
| 17:48.31 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, do you know how you menu.lst got changed in the first place? what version of debian are you running? |
| 17:48.35 | Number5 | hello guys, I just installed Debian Lenny and want to send email. I saw some examples for sending email, but when I check my mailbox, I received nothing. |
| 17:49.05 | babilen | P_Kable: You have two options now. Either boot with grub, by editing/fixing the boot line so grub finds your kernel or boot a live CD |
| 17:49.14 | P_Kable | ok, all I have is Grub error 15 |
| 17:49.39 | babilen | P_Kable: So you have *no* access to the boot menu? |
| 17:49.44 | P_Kable | no |
| 17:49.50 | Number5 | I haen't configured nothing, but I don't know how to do that. I googled, but found to detailed examples, which makes me forget why I'm reading for. |
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| 17:49.58 | babilen | Alright, the live CD it is then ... |
| 17:50.11 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, and this is which version of debian? |
| 17:50.17 | babilen | P_Kable: Are you more comfortable on the command line or with a graphical (slower) solution? |
| 17:50.31 | P_Kable | command line |
| 17:50.35 | babilen | P_Kable: How did you manage to fuck up your menu.list anyway? |
| 17:50.46 | P_Kable | this is actually a redhat, I hate redhat |
| 17:50.51 | babilen | !tell P_Kable -about grml |
| 17:50.53 | Number5 | Anyone with a good link for how to send email to a mailbox like gmail? |
| 17:50.57 | P_Kable | babilen, I didn't |
| 17:51.05 | babilen | P_Kable: who did? |
| 17:51.11 | P_Kable | I don't know |
| 17:51.17 | P_Kable | but I have to fix it |
| 17:51.37 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, your in the wrong channel, and redhat has commercial support |
| 17:51.40 | babilen | P_Kable: Which version of Debian are we talking about? |
| 17:51.48 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, you may be looking for #centos |
| 17:51.50 | P_Kable | it is RH |
| 17:51.57 | babilen | P_Kable: Red Hat? |
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| 17:52.10 | P_Kable | thisis redhat without license |
| 17:52.17 | babilen | !slap P_Kable |
| 17:52.18 | P_Kable | so no support |
| 17:52.18 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across P_Kable's face |
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| 17:52.28 | P_Kable | :( |
| 17:52.37 | babilen | P_Kable: Just kidding ... |
| 17:52.39 | [jasper] | guys, I tried mkfs.ext ...it goes with 1 nod per 3 seonds |
| 17:52.40 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, that means no support from just about anywhere actually |
| 17:52.44 | [jasper] | and needs to do 1190 nodes |
| 17:52.46 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, #centos is your best bet |
| 17:52.47 | [jasper] | how can this be so slow? |
| 17:52.50 | [jasper] | broken controller? |
| 17:52.51 | babilen | P_Kable: But unfortunately Red Hat is *not* supported in #debian |
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| 17:53.03 | P_Kable | I really need to fix this guys, is there a grub live out there ? |
| 17:53.32 | babilen | P_Kable: grml, mount the partitions and fix menu.lst |
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| 17:53.47 | Titan8990 | [jasper], ah, so it turned out to just be very slow... not sure how to diagnose |
| 17:53.56 | P_Kable | grml ?? |
| 17:54.02 | babilen | P_Kable: For further help ask in a Red Hat channel, #grub or contact the support line. |
| 17:54.07 | babilen | !grml |
| 17:54.08 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live CD) originally <based on> Knoppix, now Debian. It includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of text tools and system administrators. It can be used as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. http://grml.org/ #grml on irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:54.31 | [jasper] | Titan8990 yes...very very slow |
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| 17:54.57 | babilen | [jasper]: ##hardware might be able to diagnose that :-\ |
| 17:55.29 | P_Kable | grml small will be enough ? |
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| 17:56.03 | babilen | P_Kable: probably .. I mean you don't need that much ;-) |
| 17:56.09 | P_Kable | ok thx |
| 17:56.17 | [jasper] | babilen |
| 17:56.18 | [jasper] | it reports assuming 33Mhz system bus speed for PIO modes |
| 17:56.23 | [jasper] | any clue what that could mean? |
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| 17:56.40 | babilen | P_Kable: And please ... do not come here if you need help with anything that is *not* Debian OK? |
| 17:56.44 | babilen | [jasper]: dma? |
| 17:57.10 | P_Kable | babilen, I'm debian world, I have to fix redhat, I thought you would be good help |
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| 17:57.28 | P_Kable | linux is linux after all |
| 17:57.34 | [jasper] | what do you mean babilen ? |
| 17:58.29 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, only to a small extent |
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| 17:58.59 | Titan8990 | P_Kable, for example, we would have told you your kernel name is vmlinuz-$(uname -r). good chance thats not true outside of debian |
| 17:59.48 | [jasper] | babilen should I set dma mode someho? |
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| 18:00.12 | PinkFreud | P_Kable: technically, Linux is a kernel, and nothing more. It's different distributions which provide the necessary software to run the kernel. That's why Debian != {RH, SuSE, ...} |
| 18:01.00 | PinkFreud | hell, even the kernel can vary wildly between distributions - not only in naming, but patches applied, modules compiled, etc. |
| 18:02.11 | babilen | [jasper]: Could you paste the output of 'hdparm -i /dev/XXX' please? (replace XXX with your drive) |
| 18:02.56 | babilen | P_Kable: good luck! |
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| 18:03.13 | P_Kable | thx |
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| 18:04.13 | P_Kable | To me it looks like there is nothing left on that machine, but we'll see, I'm downloading the iso right now |
| 18:06.11 | [jasper] | babilen ? |
| 18:06.13 | [jasper] | are you there? |
| 18:06.21 | babilen | [jasper]: yes |
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| 18:08.56 | babilen | [jasper]: do you problems executing that command? |
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| 18:09.51 | Number5 | hello guys, I just installed Debian Lenny and want to send email. I saw some examples for sending email, but when I check my mailbox, I received nothing. Can someone guide me? |
| 18:10.50 | babilen | Number5: How do you send/receive email? |
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| 18:11.51 | Number5 | babilen, 'mail -s "mysubject message" my.email@gmail.com |
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| 18:12.00 | Number5 | and Ctrl-D |
| 18:12.03 | abrotman | Number5: are you on a dynamic IP ? |
| 18:12.16 | Number5 | abrotman, yes |
| 18:12.30 | abrotman | i'll doubt google would accept it .. check your spam box |
| 18:12.51 | Number5 | I just want to send simple mail, not really exciting |
| 18:12.57 | Number5 | o |
| 18:12.59 | Number5 | ok |
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| 18:13.45 | abrotman | you can send all the mail you want .. doesn't mean google has to accept it |
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| 18:14.05 | babilen | Number5: You could use a smarthost instead of trying to deliver the mail directly. |
| 18:14.48 | Number5 | smarthost? I assume I have to google about that? |
| 18:15.20 | babilen | !tell Number5 -about smarthost |
| 18:15.24 | [jasper] | guys, how can I see in which mode my harddisk is running , pio/dma? |
| 18:15.26 | Number5 | abrotman, I checked the spambox, but also empty |
| 18:15.39 | babilen | [jasper]: I already told you ... |
| 18:15.51 | babilen | [jasper]: 'hdparm -i /dev/XXX' |
| 18:16.06 | [jasper] | I'm in debian insataller babilen |
| 18:16.33 | helo | you probably cannot tell... |
| 18:16.38 | helo | or maybe something in /proc... |
| 18:16.44 | cahoot | dmesg | grep -i dma? |
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| 18:17.17 | babilen | Number5: exim can be configured easily to route mail via a smarthost |
| 18:17.19 | Number5 | babilen, haaha, I didn't know about these features with ircbot :) |
| 18:17.57 | Number5 | babilen, anyaway, I suppose it takes some time to get this configured well? |
| 18:18.21 | babilen | Number5: not really ... 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4' |
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| 18:19.11 | babilen | Number5: err, 'dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config' |
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| 18:19.31 | Number5 | damn, this linux things is extended...pfff I need a few more years to be an advancved linux user |
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| 18:21.20 | Number5 | ok, I'll check it out. I think I have modify my architecture to get the most out of it. What I'll do is create a mailacount for development's purpose. And than configure to send mail through gmail acount. |
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| 18:22.12 | Number5 | anyway, babilen thank you for your help |
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| 18:22.38 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 18:23.20 | simonrvn | if you're in +8 UTC perhaps |
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| 18:28.19 | krushik | if I have 32bit OS then the whole system will see only 4 Gb of RAM and 1 process will see only 3Gb? |
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| 18:34.16 | Titan8990 | krushik, the whole system will see approx 3.25gb of ram unless you install the bigmem kernel and have support for PAE |
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| 18:35.47 | jelly-home | Titan8990: do you know what happens with an amd64 kernel w/ 32bit support? |
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| 18:36.18 | jelly-home | obviosly the kernel sees whole ram, but what and how does the userspace feel? |
| 18:36.40 | Titan8990 | jelly-home, i had wandered that for a while. |
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| 18:37.18 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: a single process has the 32bit process limits, but otherwise, all of it should be addressable |
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| 18:37.46 | privatix | running lenny of a usb stick have swap on my /dev/hda5 but when i try to mount get mount: can't find /dev/hda5 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab |
| 18:39.03 | keith4 | why would you be "mounting" swap anyway? |
| 18:40.02 | Titan8990 | privatix, you don't mount swap, you use `swapon` |
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| 18:45.14 | privatix | Titan8990: silly question swap is not in /etc/fstab beause i am on a usb need to encrypt it with certain commands from a usb so need to have it in /etc/fstab in fist plave |
| 18:45.20 | privatix | place |
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| 18:47.08 | Thms | Why do I always need to set up my gateway with route add default gw everytime I reboot although I have this line "gateway 192.168.1.254 |
| 18:47.23 | Thms | in my interfaces file and all the other static IP settings are working |
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| 18:50.07 | privatix | more simple method is to know how to mount this usb on my labtop seemless lenny will not let me seems to ask what type of system when i di mount /dev/sda1 /mnt2 here is the stick layout from fdisk -l http://pastebin.org/58820 |
| 18:50.25 | jhutchins_lt | Thms: You're using DHCP and it's assigning a null gateway because it's not set up correctly? |
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| 18:51.05 | jhutchins_lt | privatix: mount -t <filesystem> <device> <mountpoint> |
| 18:51.21 | Liskni_si | hello, is there any way to get a package version that is mentioned on packages.qa.debian.org in news but has not yet hit the mirrors? |
| 18:52.56 | krushik | should I fully trust to lshw's output? It indicates that I'm running asus P5B MB with intel core2 6400 @ 2.13 GHz and 2 banks of "DIMM SDRAM Synchronous 667 MHz (1.5 ns)" with 512 Mb |
| 18:53.15 | krushik | I want to add some RAM (this serv handles about 20 web sites with mysql dbs, mail serv and ns). Now I have 1Gb of RAM and wanted to add 2 banks of 2Gb DDR2 667 MHz |
| 18:53.21 | privatix | jhutchins_lt so if i do something like mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2 /mnt2 it might work? |
| 18:53.40 | jhutchins_lt | krushik: Any reason not to open the case and look? |
| 18:53.45 | krushik | "DIMM SDRAM Synchronous 667 MHz (1.5 ns)" is DDR2 667 MHz? |
| 18:53.53 | jhutchins_lt | privatix: Yes, see the mount manpage for details. |
| 18:54.06 | krushik | jhutchins, yes. It is remote serv) |
| 18:54.25 | jhutchins_lt | krushik: So how will you install the RAM? |
| 18:54.35 | Liskni_si | krushik: you might want to try dmidecode, that shows whether it is DDR2 |
| 18:54.45 | Thms | jhutchins_lt: no Im not using dhcp, static IP |
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| 18:55.14 | privatix | jhutchins_lt yes i did for a little while but i misunderstood thought by typeing -n at some point it would overide filesysem - my mistake |
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| 18:55.38 | Thms | jhutchins_lt: found my problem, mistyped gateway |
| 18:56.06 | krushik | jhutchins_lt, I'll bye the RAM and give it to a guy with access to the serv's room |
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| 18:57.09 | jhutchins_lt | krushik: How do you know it's a P5A? |
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| 18:58.11 | jhutchins_lt | Thms: Glad you found it! |
| 18:58.22 | krushik | lshw said. ftp://84.17.25.144/lshw.html |
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| 18:59.53 | jhutchins_lt | krushik: lshw has gotten a lot more advanced since the last time I used it. |
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| 19:01.55 | jhutchins_lt | krushik: You can double check Asus' site to see what it specifies for that motherboard (and how many slots it has). |
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| 19:03.14 | krushik | jhutchins_lt, checked it already... so, hopefully I can bye a couple of DDR2 667 MHz banks at the store with moneyback period |
| 19:03.28 | Liskni_si | why don't you give dmidecode a try? |
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| 19:03.54 | jhutchins_lt | lshw looks pretty good, but it does claim my CPU can do 2500MHz when it actually only does ~1800. |
| 19:04.21 | jhutchins_lt | krushik: Sounds like a good plan. |
| 19:04.40 | jhutchins_lt | reminds me I need to go get some RAM for the law office... |
| 19:08.55 | helo | anyone know how i can test not only whether i am able to connect to a port, but whether sshd is actually responding through the port? |
| 19:09.07 | Justin_ | helo: telnet/netcat |
| 19:09.13 | helo | in a script |
| 19:09.24 | Justin_ | a script? |
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| 19:09.50 | helo | in my particular setup, nc will tell me whether the port is open, but that doesn't always mean ssh is actually listening |
| 19:10.04 | Justin_ | !wayttd helo |
| 19:10.05 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, helo? |
| 19:10.06 | helo | i'm connecting to the hosts via a ssh tunnel port binding |
| 19:10.38 | helo | sometimes the remote connection making the binding fails, and it reconnects to reestablish the binding, but fails because the binding is already there |
| 19:11.21 | helo | so then the port appears open, but you can't actually get a ssh session going |
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| 19:13.08 | helo | so i'm trying to know whether ssh is actually listening on a port |
| 19:13.22 | helo | echo hah|nc localhost 22 |grep OpenSSH <--- best so far |
| 19:13.23 | dondelelcaro | helo: so netstat -plunt |
| 19:13.38 | jhutchins_lt | helo: ssh <command>? |
| 19:13.42 | dondelelcaro | if it doesn't show up, it's not listening. |
| 19:14.07 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: not if he's forwarding it through another ssh connection |
| 19:14.14 | helo | if it does show up, it may be listening |
| 19:14.16 | Justin_ | helo: if you install nagios that comes with a check_ssh command |
| 19:14.24 | maginot | Good afternoon. I'm trying to implement dpkg and apt-get on my distribution that was made using Linux from scratch project, can someone point some good link about apt-get if there are any resource about integrating apt-get with other systems it will be great too, thanks |
| 19:14.33 | jess^ | pictures a debian server with fingers in its ears going 'LALALA I'M NOT LISTENING LALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU, LALALA' |
| 19:14.38 | Justin_ | but it pretty much does what nc+grep will do |
| 19:14.40 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: even then, it'll show up. |
| 19:14.51 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: yes, but it won't mean it is working |
| 19:15.00 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: who cares? working!=listening |
| 19:15.07 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: he cares, lol |
| 19:15.08 | poppy_bsd | hello ... i need some help with a resize / raid-grow operation.. i have mdadm controlling 3 disks in a raid5.. the raid volume /dev/md0 is encrypted with luks, and on top of that is LVM.. now i want to add another disk to the raid, grow the raid volume, and resize the rest of the stuff accordingly |
| 19:15.34 | dondelelcaro | Justin_: so then the actual question is "how do a I know whether this port I've got forwarded actually works?" |
| 19:15.46 | Justin_ | dondelelcaro: which was his original question, yes |
| 19:16.03 | dondelelcaro | (and, honestly, I suspect that it really is, "my forwarded port isn't working; what's wrong?" |
| 19:16.47 | krushik | Liskni_si, had some problems with its download. now ok. |
| 19:16.57 | krushik | dmidecode's info seems to be exactly like lshw's one. but I'm a little confused about http://pastebin.com/d780fa48 |
| 19:16.59 | poppy_bsd | can i do it without unmounting the disk |
| 19:17.03 | poppy_bsd | s |
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| 19:17.34 | Liskni_si | krushik: well, my dmidecode says Type: DDR2 |
| 19:17.44 | poppy_bsd | even if not.. i need some help figuring out in which order to do things |
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| 19:17.56 | dondelelcaro | helo: in any event, if you think you've forwarded a port properly, '<enter>~#' on the connection will list it. if it doesn't show up, you haven't. If it does, and it's not working, then odds are whatever is supposed to be listening at the other end isn't. |
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| 19:18.47 | krushik | LiENUS, hmm =\. but DDR2 is actually "DDR2 SDRAM" as far as I know... |
| 19:18.54 | miasma | hmm, hi, as you might know. cups 1.4.2 seems to be broken. is there some way to find compatible libpoppler & cups combination so that I can print with debian testing/unstable |
| 19:18.59 | krushik | oop! |
| 19:19.04 | krushik | Liskni_si, * |
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| 19:19.07 | Liskni_si | krushik: but it doesn't talk about "Memory Module" at all, it lists "Memory Devices" |
| 19:19.18 | Liskni_si | so it needn't mean anything |
| 19:20.00 | helo | dondelelcaro: the following is what happens - the remote machine connects and binds the port, but the connection is broken due to inactivity or a sketchy connection... the client realizes the connection is dead, but the server (the machine where the port is being bound) doesn't. so the local server will let you connect to the port, but no data will pass over it |
| 19:20.14 | helo | so i'm writing a script that will detect when this has occurred, and terminate it to free up the port |
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| 19:21.12 | grazymax | hi all |
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| 19:22.48 | krushik | Liskni_si, oh, there is "Memory Device" sections too... "Type: SDRAM" >:-\ |
| 19:23.21 | Liskni_si | krushik: :-) |
| 19:23.25 | tongueroo | anyone here know much about xenserver and virtualization? Im wondering if say you have 5 VMs and one of them have a OOM error, would that possible effect the entire environment? |
| 19:23.32 | Liskni_si | krushik: no other ideas, then. |
| 19:23.33 | Justin_ | tongueroo: no |
| 19:23.42 | tongueroo | Justin_ : k, thats what i thought |
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| 19:24.58 | dondelelcaro | helo: set ClientAliveInterval which will stop that from happening. |
| 19:24.59 | miasma | is there some way to download a .deb file that hasn't arrived to all mirrors yet? |
| 19:25.13 | dondelelcaro | miasma: yes, download it from a mirror that has it by changing your sources.list |
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| 19:25.24 | dondelelcaro | (or download it and manually install it) |
| 19:25.25 | miasma | dondelelcaro: how do I know what mirror has it already? |
| 19:25.27 | shadowless_egg | i use a modem from comcast, would i be using dhcp? |
| 19:25.29 | janimati | hello |
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| 19:25.42 | dondelelcaro | miasma: by looking? |
| 19:25.45 | shadowless_egg | im gonna be dual booting debian |
| 19:25.49 | shadowless_egg | using netinst |
| 19:25.55 | miasma | dondelelcaro: is there some priority? some master server? |
| 19:26.26 | shadowless_egg | so woul di need to disable DHCP? |
| 19:26.28 | dondelelcaro | miasma: there are multiple master servers. See the mirror status http://mirror.debian.org/status.html if you want to know what's going on. |
| 19:27.05 | miasma | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks |
| 19:27.05 | janimati | i have big problem how i can check correctnees my deebian beacause i upgarde lenny to squeze and i hev big problems |
| 19:27.19 | dondelelcaro | miasma: but regardless, the most recent push was 15:01 UTC, and most up-to-date mirrors should be at that point |
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| 19:28.21 | miasma | dondelelcaro: yea, the package was sent probably a bit later than that |
| 19:28.35 | dondelelcaro | miasma: then no mirrors will have it |
| 19:28.48 | miasma | so the file isn't downloadable yet? |
| 19:28.51 | dondelelcaro | miasma: nope |
| 19:29.16 | miasma | oh well.. gotta manage without a printer today then :F |
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| 19:30.15 | dondelelcaro | miasma: why don't you downgrade to whatever version is in testing? |
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| 19:30.57 | miasma | dondelelcaro: that's another option. but upgrading a single package causes less trouble |
| 19:31.17 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 19:32.12 | Wikian | danged ie |
| 19:32.25 | manug | I'm trying to get wireless working. It was working, but I just added the sid repo and now some things are messed up. I'm using network-manager. Wired (eth0) works fine. When I try ifconfig, all that shows up is eth0 and lo. What should I do? |
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| 19:32.52 | shadowless_egg | once again, i have a modem through comcast (scientific atlanta) do i need to disable DHCP? |
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| 19:33.11 | asdzxc | hi |
| 19:33.13 | shadowless_egg | also: how large should i make my swap partition |
| 19:33.13 | asdzxc | i have problem reading one file from my HDD, there are probably bad sectors. is it possible to read the file and skip data in bad sectors ? it can replace them for example with zeroes |
| 19:33.27 | keith4 | shadowless_egg: no. why would you disable dhcp? |
| 19:33.40 | shadowless_egg | the dual boot instructions said to >_> |
| 19:33.50 | keith4 | "the dual boot instructions"? |
| 19:34.09 | shadowless_egg | well the install debian one at least |
| 19:34.21 | macrobat | swapsize depends on how much RAM you have |
| 19:34.24 | keith4 | where does it say that? |
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| 19:34.42 | shadowless_egg | http://www.aboutdebian.com/dualboot.htm |
| 19:34.55 | jelly-home | asdzxc: ddrescue package, dd_rescue binary can be used to make an image of the failing HDD, then you can fsck the image |
| 19:35.01 | shadowless_egg | and http://www.aboutdebian.com/install5.htm |
| 19:35.11 | jelly-home | asdzxc: and possibly mount it and read the files |
| 19:35.12 | jhutchins_lt | shadowless_egg: You'll need DHCP to receive a working IP address, gateway, and DNS from comcast. |
| 19:35.26 | shadowless_egg | i am gonna be able to dual boot |
| 19:35.31 | shadowless_egg | so is that a problem? |
| 19:35.59 | jhutchins_lt | shadowless_egg: As far as swap goes, 2x RAM up to 4G, then leave it at 4G until it's 1x RAM. |
| 19:36.06 | keith4 | shadowless_egg: "Our installation selections assume that, while your system may be on a network, it does not have Internet access." |
| 19:36.12 | shadowless_egg | oh |
| 19:36.12 | keith4 | wow |
| 19:36.14 | shadowless_egg | ok |
| 19:36.26 | keith4 | also, this is assuming you're setting up a SERVER |
| 19:36.34 | asdzxc | jelly-home: ok, i will try, thnx |
| 19:36.35 | shadowless_egg | i might want to later >_> |
| 19:36.36 | maxd | whats the name of debians network configuration/information utility? on ifconig shows- command not found. |
| 19:36.38 | shadowless_egg | an ftp maybe |
| 19:36.38 | jhutchins_lt | Servers usually want to be static IP. |
| 19:37.00 | Titan8990 | maxd, are you root? |
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| 19:37.06 | krushik | ok. and another related question. how much of RAM should I bye? =) I was going to get 2 modules each with 2 Gb. But I have 32bit linux there... should I get only 1 module and live with 3Gb of RAM and i386 or take 5Gb RAM and upgrade to amd64? |
| 19:37.10 | Titan8990 | maxd, and its ifconfig |
| 19:37.16 | jelly-home | maxd: perhaps you're missing /usr/sbin from your user's $PATH |
| 19:37.17 | maxd | Titan8990 not at this moment |
| 19:37.20 | Titan8990 | maxd, the debian specific utility if ifup and ifdown |
| 19:37.21 | keith4 | shadowless_egg: so... your question is "some random how-to I found suggests I disable DHCP when setting up a server. should I disable DHCP on my dual-booting laptop?" |
| 19:37.23 | jhutchins_lt | maxd: I have heard that ifconfig is deprecated in favor of "if" but are you sure /sbin/ifconfig isn't there? Are you root? |
| 19:37.31 | maxd | yea, i miswrote |
| 19:37.44 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: it's "ip", and Debian doesn't really use ip in the backend yet |
| 19:37.47 | shadowless_egg | well im just checking to make sure |
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| 19:37.58 | shadowless_egg | and i MIGHT use it for a server |
| 19:38.01 | maxd | works as root |
| 19:38.01 | abrotman | jelly-home: i think it depends where you're looking |
| 19:38.02 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: D'Oh! Thanks for the corrrection. |
| 19:38.03 | maxd | thanks |
| 19:38.07 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: package iproute |
| 19:38.07 | shadowless_egg | and im gonan be dual botoing a desktop computer |
| 19:38.24 | keith4 | if you have to ask whether or not you should be disabling the DHCP client, the answer is "no" |
| 19:38.33 | shadowless_egg | ok |
| 19:38.42 | jelly-home | abrotman: I'll be ranting about it until ifupdown's dependency on ifconfig is compleatly gone |
| 19:38.43 | jhutchins_lt | keith4: "Ask your system administrator" |
| 19:39.11 | shadowless_egg | so then about the swap file |
| 19:39.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: it's much less annoying than glibc-doc, though ;-) |
| 19:39.25 | shadowless_egg | err partition |
| 19:39.38 | shadowless_egg | so it should be 2x the size of my rcurrent ram? |
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| 19:39.56 | jelly-home | shadowless_egg: how much RAM is there? |
| 19:40.00 | abrotman | jelly-home: you mean the GFDL thing? |
| 19:40.03 | shadowless_egg | i dont know :/ |
| 19:40.08 | shadowless_egg | im not at the computer yet |
| 19:40.10 | jhutchins_lt | shadowless_egg: Yes, up to 4G swap, at which point just go with 4G. |
| 19:40.26 | shadowless_egg | so just put it at 4GB then |
| 19:40.55 | jelly-home | shadowless_egg: if you'll have at least 2GB ram, yes |
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| 19:41.10 | shadowless_egg | i think i do |
| 19:41.15 | shadowless_egg | so just double it if not |
| 19:41.32 | jelly-home | shadowless_egg: are you planning to use hibernation on this machine? |
| 19:41.45 | shadowless_egg | probably not |
| 19:42.50 | jhutchins_lt | jelly-home: hibernation requires 1x RAM, right? |
| 19:43.52 | macrobat | krushik: RAM is more of a ##hardware question. a matched set is better IMO. two of the same memoru stick |
| 19:44.10 | jelly-home | jhutchins_lt: it depends. uswsusp images usually get at least 2:1 compression |
| 19:44.20 | helo | dondelelcaro: i was using ClientAliveInterval, but i get errors in auth.log saying 'Non-public channel 0, type 11.\nchannel_input_success_failure: 0: unknown' |
| 19:44.30 | helo | every time it sends the alive message |
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| 19:46.27 | helo | sweet... looks to be an openssh bug |
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| 19:47.54 | helo | maybe TCPKeepAlive will work well enough... |
| 19:48.35 | jelly-home | TFM does mention something or other about ProtocolKeepAlives being obsoletish |
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| 19:49.08 | helo | oh... TCPKeepAlive is on by default |
| 19:49.15 | jelly-home | helo: version mismatches between the client and the server much? |
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| 19:49.51 | helo | all running updated debian stable |
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| 19:51.31 | helo | i'm currently using scponly as the shell for these ssh-tunnel users... maybe i should change it back to bash, but run a script that will echo some data every 30 seconds or so |
| 19:52.41 | magyar_ | hi, what is the purpose of "linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686" in lenny? |
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| 19:58.23 | rpgdude | magyar_: its for using Xen Hypervisor |
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| 19:59.08 | rpgdude | which you probably dont want |
| 19:59.48 | karsten | rpgdude: Are you all hatin' on Xen now? |
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| 20:00.27 | karsten | macrobat: rpgdude is right. KVM is probably your virtualization option of choice for linux-on-linux. Virtualbox for otherOS-on-linux |
| 20:00.52 | Justin_ | unfortunately kvm requires hardware support and does not work on systems xen does |
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| 20:01.39 | karsten | Justin_: It does? VX supported CPUs? |
| 20:01.56 | Justin_ | apt-cache show kvm |
| 20:02.08 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 20:02.26 | Justin_ | i have 3 systems running xen, none of them have new enough cpus to run kvm |
| 20:02.29 | karsten | Justin_: Thanks. |
| 20:02.40 | jelly-home | karsten: intentionally excluding more mature but nonfree options? |
| 20:02.42 | karsten | Justin_: What's the other partitioning scheme for linux-on-linux VMs? |
| 20:03.08 | karsten | jelly-home: ?? |
| 20:03.19 | jelly-home | karsten: vmware |
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| 20:04.04 | karsten | jelly-home: I haven't stayed too up-to-date w/ VMWare. Estimable technoogy, non-free as you note. |
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| 20:08.51 | tazle | do I actually have to build my own Emacs package to get debug symbols? |
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| 20:11.15 | El_Angelo | hi |
| 20:11.26 | El_Angelo | i downloaded liveced 5.0.2 Xfce |
| 20:11.31 | El_Angelo | can i install from that one? |
| 20:12.12 | nkuttler | tazle: if you have to, /msg dpkg package recompile |
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| 20:13.13 | jpinx-eeepc | El_Angelo: not unless it has an installer on the CD |
| 20:14.05 | El_Angelo | how is that installer called? |
| 20:14.29 | jpinx-eeepc | installer |
| 20:14.40 | jpinx-eeepc | you'll find them in debian.org |
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| 20:14.57 | El_Angelo | *SHIT* |
| 20:15.09 | El_Angelo | and i almost hit my 30GB download for this month |
| 20:15.26 | jpinx-eeepc | El_Angelo: there are very small installers for netinstalls |
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| 20:15.43 | jpinx-eeepc | but you would still have to get the packages downloaded |
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| 20:16.15 | jpinx-eeepc | El_Angelo: use the live CD you have to learn more ;) |
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| 20:17.43 | El_Angelo | problem is i need to get them on a usbstick |
| 20:17.51 | El_Angelo | so i used linux live usb |
| 20:17.57 | El_Angelo | which only offered that one option |
| 20:18.07 | El_Angelo | so i need another program to get that thing on a usb stick |
| 20:18.19 | abrotman | you can use the netinst from a usb drive |
| 20:18.54 | El_Angelo | how ? |
| 20:19.01 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 20:19.01 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 20:19.17 | jpinx-eeepc | El_Angelo: how to put the live image onto a usb stick will depend on your current system |
| 20:19.23 | jelly-home | El_Angelo: official Debian livecds are not installers (yet), sorry |
| 20:19.45 | jpinx-eeepc | El_Angelo: and you need to be sure that your hardware will allow you to boot from a USB - not all the olds ones do |
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| 20:20.02 | jelly-home | El_Angelo: _but_ if you already have a livecd working, you can install the debootstrap way |
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| 20:22.09 | Titan8990 | There is no metasploit in Debian or backports? |
| 20:22.23 | jelly-home | sorry about that, I wanted to do a passive whois, not a ctcp, El_Angelo |
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| 20:23.28 | Justin_ | Titan8990: just download it and untar it |
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| 20:23.48 | rpgdude | debootstrap ftw! |
| 20:23.50 | jhutchins_lt | It would be possible to transfer the live image from the stick to a hard drive partition. |
| 20:23.51 | El_Angelo | jelly-home: well actually i have tons of machines to choose from |
| 20:24.12 | El_Angelo | but my brother at the other end of the line is more used to work with windows |
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| 20:24.26 | El_Angelo | so preferably i'd use a windwos method |
| 20:24.31 | jelly-home | El_Angelo: don't do debootstrap then :-) |
| 20:25.04 | jpinx-eeepc | El_Angelo: nomorewindows.com -- or similar |
| 20:25.18 | jpinx-eeepc | can't remember the exact name |
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| 20:25.41 | lumis | Hey, in Squeeze, the GTK file open dialogue box takes forever to load the list of files, then lags like hell when I click/scroll. Anyone know anything about this/how to prevent it? |
| 20:25.54 | El_Angelo | there was some program |
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| 20:25.55 | babilen | it's http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ |
| 20:25.57 | El_Angelo | grmbl |
| 20:26.41 | jelly-home | boots the debian installer via ntldr |
| 20:27.06 | El_Angelo | hmmm |
| 20:27.08 | jelly-home | wonders if it works on Vista or Windows 7 |
| 20:27.08 | El_Angelo | nah |
| 20:27.11 | El_Angelo | can't use that |
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| 20:27.23 | El_Angelo | the machine on which he will install has no more operating system |
| 20:28.18 | jhutchins_lt | El_Angelo: Boot from something other than the USB stick and copy the whole filesystem to a partition on the HD. Fix things like grub menu and fstab, run grub-install. |
| 20:28.34 | jhutchins_lt | El_Angelo: It's not ideal, but it means you don't have to download the main system again. |
| 20:28.53 | jpinx-eeepc | El_Angelo: it might be better to find a local supplier who will sell you just CD1 of the set - that would be cheaper than going over your download limit and get the base system on there |
| 20:29.01 | jhutchins_lt | El_Angelo: By the time your dowload cap resets you'll know how to do a net install. |
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| 20:29.37 | jelly-home | hm, unetbootin seems to have debian support as well |
| 20:29.56 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: it does - but he's download limited |
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| 20:30.13 | jelly-home | end of the month is coming really soon |
| 20:30.15 | jhutchins_lt | He's already downloaded a system image. |
| 20:31.05 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: I am not sure if that is easy to do - what you're suggesting - doesn't the live image have some non-standard filesystem references? |
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| 20:32.06 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Might. It should work though. Some live images create a pseudo-filesystem in RAM and run from that, but that could still be loaded from HD instead of USB/CD. |
| 20:32.14 | FreakGuard | how to install local packages with dep-resolving? |
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| 20:32.44 | dkr | FreakGuard: dpkg -i |
| 20:32.46 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: long term, /msg dpkg own repo |
| 20:33.09 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, I've got one. :-) but testing the packages locally |
| 20:33.13 | FreakGuard | dkr, doesn't resolve deps |
| 20:33.18 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: fairysnuff - I've never tried it myself though I've been close enough to needing it to look at it. You can hold his hand ;) |
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| 20:33.32 | jelly-home | FreakGuard: short term, use dpkg -i foo.deb, and when it fails, use aptitude -f install or apt-get -f install to make apt fix the missing deps |
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| 20:34.08 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: is there not an equivalent to aptitude's -s in dpkg to get a preview of the depends?to |
| 20:34.29 | dkr | FreakGuard: oh, you mean automagically like aptitude. i thought you meant to tel you about deps |
| 20:34.41 | jpinx-eeepc | I always do a simulation to see what it's threatening to install |
| 20:35.02 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: dpkg doesn't install anything else, it just tries to do what you tell it to\ |
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| 20:36.00 | Kottizen | I've installed the package "phpmyadmin". How do I access it? |
| 20:36.11 | Kottizen | Which adress am I supposed to visit? |
| 20:36.13 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: yes - dpkg is specific to the package you name, but a simulated install would tell you if there were depends on that which you might not like, and save the trouble of actually installing and purging |
| 20:36.23 | KnuckOne | Kottizen: http://localhost/phpmyadmin |
| 20:36.33 | Kottizen | 404 Not Found |
| 20:36.41 | Kottizen | I'm running Apache (package: apache2). |
| 20:36.49 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: Is it working for other addresses? |
| 20:36.54 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: sure there's a --dry-run, but I'm not sure how useful it'd be. At least my workflow with local packages didn't use it much |
| 20:36.55 | Kottizen | Yes. |
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| 20:37.04 | Kottizen | It's http://alice.kottnet.net |
| 20:37.06 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: Did the config file for phpmyadmin get dropped in the active config directory? |
| 20:37.16 | Kottizen | I don't know, how do I check that? |
| 20:37.23 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: cool - I'll note that option too ;) |
| 20:37.27 | Kottizen | It just installed eveyrhing by auto. |
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| 20:37.49 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: I think you might want to look at some of the phpmyadmin specific documentation. |
| 20:37.59 | Kottizen | Okey, thanks. |
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| 20:38.10 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: don't note anything, just search for simulate or dry-run or -n in manuals when/if you need something like it |
| 20:38.41 | jelly-home | !refcard |
| 20:38.41 | dpkg | A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://tangosoft.com/refcard/ and is quite useful for someone new to Debian. Also ask me about <grounding>. |
| 20:38.59 | jhutchins_lt | Kottizen: Unfortunately I don't have it installed on any of my Debian servers. |
| 20:39.08 | jhutchins_lt | (They don't do much MySQL.) |
| 20:39.13 | jpinx-eeepc | nice :) - never heard of refcard before :) |
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| 20:42.18 | jelly-home | there is a culture of making refcards for all sorts of utilities. vim or emacs or zsh come to mind |
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| 20:43.14 | jelly-home | dpkg: vim refcard is probably http://tnerual.eriogerg.free.fr/vim.html |
| 20:43.15 | dpkg | okay, jelly-home |
| 20:43.53 | jhutchins_lt | Wow, that's some pretty good factlets the bot has. |
| 20:44.51 | jelly-home | dpkg: vim refcard =~ s/probably // |
| 20:44.51 | dpkg | jelly-home: OK |
| 20:45.11 | FreakGuard | jelly-home, o, thanks |
| 20:45.17 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly-home: make a refcard of the refcards ;) - or list them all in one factoid |
| 20:45.29 | jelly-home | jpinx-eeepc: giyf :-P |
| 20:45.45 | jpinx-eeepc | :p |
| 20:45.50 | jelly-home | (yes Virginia, there already is such a page) |
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| 20:46.24 | craigevil | jpinx-eeepc: debian-refcard - printable reference card for the Debian system can be installed, its in the repos |
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| 20:50.14 | jpinx-eeepc | craigevil: even better - thanks :) |
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| 20:55.16 | magyar_ | hi, what is the purpose of "linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686" in lenny? |
| 20:55.43 | Justin_ | magyar_: purpose? |
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| 20:56.05 | superfirelord42 | magyar_: I have to assume its a build for x86 made for the xen virtualization platform |
| 20:56.25 | KnuckOne | !tell magyar_ about xen |
| 20:56.53 | EndBothWarsNow | Don't use the tell command! |
| 20:57.03 | EndBothWarsNow | It gives my IRC client trouble, makes it minimize |
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| 20:57.27 | Justin_ | !tell EndBothWarsNow about get a real irc client and stop telling people what to do |
| 20:57.31 | EndBothWarsNow | Oh wait, it privmsg someone else. As long as I don't get privmsg, that messes up my IRC. |
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| 20:58.10 | EndBothWarsNow | ????77????????77????????77????????77????????77???? |
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| 20:58.18 | Devastator | lol |
| 20:58.20 | b3hnam1 | In debian after each reboot I have to run "/etc/init.d/iptables stop" can I stop this forever ? |
| 20:58.24 | EndBothWarsNow | ????77????crap, brb |
| 20:58.27 | EndBothWarsNow | ????77????????77????v |
| 20:58.28 | EndBothWarsNow | ????77???? |
| 20:58.31 | EndBothWarsNow | ????77????????77????????77???? |
| 20:58.35 | FreakGuard | any op around? |
| 20:58.43 | Devastator | LOL |
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| 20:59.23 | Titan8990 | b3hnam1, man update-rc.d |
| 20:59.49 | EndBothWarsNow | Khaled is a very irresponsible developer. Windows Vista has been out for three years and still no patch for MIRC 4.7 for Vista compatibility. |
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| 21:00.55 | EndBothWarsNow | Anyway, how mature is Xen and Qemu/Kqemu relative to stuff like VMware, do they both support USB, and which one will better utilize an AMD-V enabled dual core CPU? |
| 21:01.22 | superfirelord42 | EndBothWarsNow: I show latest version of MIRC is at 6.35? |
| 21:01.30 | maligor | you probably don't want Xen |
| 21:01.33 | EndBothWarsNow | Or is there th????77????????77????????77????????77????????77????????77???? |
| 21:01.48 | EndBothWarsNow | Ah, fucki!????77????????77???? |
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| 21:02.22 | maligor | what was that? |
| 21:02.32 | keith4 | wow |
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| 21:03.03 | themill | EndBothWarsNow: when you don't have a broken, vulnerable IRC client, let us know. |
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| 21:05.48 | b3hnam1 | "update-rc.d: command not found" What shoul I do ? |
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| 21:10.37 | KnuckOne | b3hnam1:"/usr/sbin/update-rc.d" ? |
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| 21:11.37 | rpgdude | use sysv-rc-conf |
| 21:11.44 | rpgdude | or bum |
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| 21:16.34 | privatix | what is the lightest desktop available in lenny xfec? |
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| 21:17.39 | dkr | startx with just an xterm in your .xinitrc? :) |
| 21:17.45 | jelly-home | privatix: if you're looking for lightest, don't use a desktop environment, but a simple window manager |
| 21:18.02 | KnuckOne | dkr: twm at least :D |
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| 21:19.23 | jelly-home | fvwm! fluxbox! ratpoison! |
| 21:19.28 | jelly-home | !start a wm war |
| 21:19.29 | dpkg | emacs sucks! |
| 21:19.37 | jelly-home | dpkg: spank yourself |
| 21:19.38 | dpkg | bends yourself over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
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| 21:19.43 | jelly-home | ouch |
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| 21:20.08 | KnuckOne | well with emacs you could do a wm i'm pretty sure ;) |
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| 21:20.53 | privatix | i know fgrlx is a display driver for ATI Radeon but how can this be used in relation as desktop env or am i missing the point ? |
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| 21:21.36 | maligor | privatix, hardware - driver - xorg - desktop |
| 21:21.46 | Akuw | i installed mhddfs to combine to hasrd disk of 1tb |
| 21:22.17 | Akuw | later i used rsync to copy from one server to virtual disk created using mhddfs |
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| 21:22.51 | Akuw | but althought the virtual is not full, rsync copy some files and later told me the disk is full |
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| 21:23.11 | jelly-home | Akuw: transparent file-based raid0 fuse filesystem... what could go wrong?? |
| 21:23.16 | Akuw | what could be the problem? |
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| 21:23.59 | jelly-home | your filesystem is porbably reporting less free space than the total of (free space on disk1 + free space on disk2) |
| 21:24.30 | jelly-home | possibly, the larger of two numbers |
| 21:24.35 | privatix | i am just messing about with loop-aes seems pretty secure if thats the correct work |
| 21:24.48 | privatix | word |
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| 21:25.05 | jelly-home | Justin_: info mhddfs |
| 21:25.07 | Akuw | but, rsync shoul be think the is only one disk |
| 21:25.17 | Justin_ | jelly-home: no :-P |
| 21:25.26 | jelly-home | Justin_: bad bot! |
| 21:25.31 | jelly-home | no cookie |
| 21:25.43 | jelly-home | dpkg: info mhddfs |
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| 21:26.13 | jelly-home | Justin_: also, sorry for no cookie. I'd give you one but I ated it. |
| 21:26.18 | dpkg | mhddfs: (file system for unifying several mount points into one), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.1.26-1 (sid), Packaged size: 22 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 21:26.50 | Akuw | ?? |
| 21:26.52 | jelly-home | Akuw: don't expect fuser-based filesystem hack to work properly |
| 21:26.58 | jelly-home | fuse-based* |
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| 21:27.03 | jelly-home | hacks* |
| 21:27.12 | Akuw | damm |
| 21:27.26 | jelly-home | I mean.. it's version 0.1.22! |
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| 21:27.59 | Akuw | i just got the last version from page |
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| 21:28.06 | jelly-home | be happy it didn't eat your data |
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| 21:28.29 | jelly-home | and report bugs to the upstream. |
| 21:28.29 | Akuw | df says there is 80GB in disk 1 |
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| 21:28.38 | Akuw | and 980GB in disk 2 |
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| 21:29.09 | Akuw | virtual is 43% used |
| 21:29.21 | badipod | Hi |
| 21:29.24 | Akuw | i don't understand |
| 21:29.43 | magyar_ | hi i installed linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-686 < but i cant boot , i get "Error 13: Invalid or unsupported executable format" |
| 21:29.56 | magyar_ | when booting the system |
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| 21:30.01 | jelly-home | Akuw: you're using alpha-quality software... expect it not to work perfectly. |
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| 21:31.06 | Akuw | ok |
| 21:31.06 | Akuw | bad news |
| 21:31.07 | jelly-home | Akuw: if you used the debian package, you may report bugs in debian's BTS. If you used the version from upstream, bug upstream, not this channel. |
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| 21:37.53 | tck9 | what is ip6tnl0 interface for ? |
| 21:37.55 | tck9 | it got created automatically |
| 21:37.57 | tck9 | ip6tnl0 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
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| 21:38.38 | nkuttler | tck9: are you on some kind of virtual host? |
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| 21:39.04 | tck9 | no |
| 21:39.22 | tck9 | it's a server that has 2 nics. one is ipv6 the other is ipv4 |
| 21:39.44 | robokop | my down key doesn't work in X, in tty it does, any hints? |
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| 21:42.31 | TheJoe | Strange - gnome-keybinding-properties is failing to start |
| 21:42.37 | TheJoe | Segmentation fault |
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| 21:44.21 | iceroot | TheJoe: #ubuntu this is debian |
| 21:44.34 | TheJoe | iceroot: Yeah, I'm on Debian. |
| 21:44.41 | TheJoe | Hence why I am asking here |
| 21:45.12 | iceroot | TheJoe: ah my fault... because of a reason i dont know, i have read ubuntu-keybinding... i am sorry |
| 21:45.45 | TheJoe | iceroot: Do you perhaps use KDE or something? |
| 21:46.08 | iceroot | TheJoe: gnome on ubuntu :) |
| 21:46.12 | TheJoe | Ah |
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| 21:48.37 | maligor | TheJoe, is it on stable? |
| 21:48.50 | TheJoe | maligor: Yeah |
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| 21:52.20 | TheJoe | However my Pulseaudio seems to be a backported "upgrade" |
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| 21:53.52 | robokop | my down key doesn't work in X, in tty it does, any hints? |
| 21:53.58 | PyroPhelia | from terminal how can I tell how much bandwidth the server is using? |
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| 21:54.27 | joltcan | PyroPhelia: bwm (or bwm-ng) is nice, ncurses interface |
| 21:54.43 | joltcan | PyroPhelia: For long term I would recommend setting up mrtg to monitor and draw graphs |
| 21:55.12 | brbrbr | warmly greet anyone[except Xenu, maybe ;] |
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| 21:56.13 | PyroPhelia | just temporary for now, bwm was exactly what I was looking for, ty |
| 21:56.27 | PyroPhelia | what would mrtg require, an apache server? |
| 21:56.37 | PyroPhelia | i'm assuming it would export the graphs to html |
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| 21:59.05 | \amethyst | PyroPhelia: you could load the html files directly in a web browser |
| 21:59.10 | \amethyst | PyroPhelia: no need for a server |
| 21:59.38 | \amethyst | PyroPhelia: (this is assuming you have some way other than http to access these files from a machine with a GUI) |
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| 22:00.14 | PyroPhelia | of course, i'm just trying to figure out how to configure it now |
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| 22:01.34 | PyroPhelia | does anybody here work lags often? |
| 22:01.43 | PyroPhelia | (link aggregation) not network pings |
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| 22:03.11 | PyroPhelia | no lag experts eh? |
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| 22:07.57 | PyroPhelia | owell, plan B. |
| 22:08.33 | PyroPhelia | When configuring an etherbond, I know I can use 2 different ethernet cards just like I can use 2 different hard drives when building a raid, but what would the drawbacks be if they are both 1Gbps |
| 22:09.13 | PyroPhelia | LACP not, RR |
| 22:09.33 | brbrbr | oh, wait, "plan B" is SSM nike sub ? |
| 22:09.48 | brbrbr | should Debian team start construct/build one ?:) |
| 22:09.58 | PyroPhelia | I highly recomend it |
| 22:10.24 | PyroPhelia | nobody would ask "why doesn't debian have X" anymore |
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| 22:11.13 | robokop | my down key doesn't work in X, in tty it does, any hints? |
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| 22:14.20 | abrotman | wrong X keymap ? |
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| 22:20.55 | robokop | abrotman: where is the X keymap set? |
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| 22:25.14 | izua | is it possible to have a virtual network interface, so that if i write something to a file, it shows up as rx data, and if i tx data over the stack, this data shows up in another file? |
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| 22:25.40 | izua | i'm trying to develop an ethercat (industrial protocol) slave |
| 22:26.08 | izua | all i found was adding multiple ips for an interface in the form of eth0:1, eth0:2 which is not what i want |
| 22:26.10 | jelly-home | izua: google tun/tap |
| 22:26.10 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 22:26.33 | HardDisk_WP | can I use an TPM chip for storing gnupg secret key and doing encryptions with it? |
| 22:26.43 | HardDisk_WP | i dont want the OS to be able to read the privkey |
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| 22:35.53 | MarkGil | hi, Debian base seems to want to use rsyslogd, which is consuming vast amounts of memory on my embedded system, for something that provides a trivial function. Is there a better replacement, or a way of making rsyslogd leaner? |
| 22:36.12 | MarkGil | 30MB for an event log service is bloated to the extreme :-( |
| 22:36.13 | tuv | acpid is causing high cpu usage after a few hours every time it's restarted. once it's restarted cpu usage goes back to normal for a few hours then it spikes again until the next acpid restart. has anyone seen this behaviour recently? any known fixes? |
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| 22:42.11 | tongueroo | when i ssh into the box as root, my ~/.bashrc settings dont load... if i start a bash shell after login in the customizations load, any idea why the ssh login doesnt load the ~/.bashrc settings? |
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| 22:42.29 | Arrowmaster | MarkGil: have you looked at what emdebian uses? |
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| 22:42.34 | babilen | MarkGil: There are several different syslog daemons shipped with Debian. Try sysklogd or 'apt-cache search syslog' and evaluate your options |
| 22:42.43 | tuv | what do i lose by shutting down acpid? |
| 22:42.57 | teclo- | Hi, I would like to increase the brightness in a xvid video. What application can do that ? Thank you |
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| 22:43.23 | tuv | teclo-: you can do that at playback time using any decent video player (read mplayer) |
| 22:43.29 | robokop | i have some problems with my xkeymap, where can i find my xkeymap? |
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| 22:44.39 | tuv | teclo-: man mplayer: keys 3 and 4 adjust brightness |
| 22:45.02 | teclo- | tuv: ah ok but I would like to modify the video because it's too dark, shot at night |
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| 22:46.02 | robokop | teclo-: perhaps mencoder can help you out |
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| 22:46.20 | babilen | !tell robokop -about keymap |
| 22:46.49 | teclo- | tuv: robokop thanks |
| 22:46.56 | pjj | anyone else has problems with wicd-curses btw on debian unstable? (shuts down with an error, the gui client works fine) |
| 22:47.15 | babilen | tongueroo: Is bash not your default shell on the remote host? |
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| 22:47.27 | tongueroo | its the default, ive checked /etc/passwd |
| 22:47.30 | tongueroo | and echo $SHELL |
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| 22:47.33 | karl_k | hi ! anyone here know how to restart bluetooth upon resume ? |
| 22:47.42 | babilen | pjj: check the BTS |
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| 22:47.46 | KnuckOne | tongueroo: echo 'source ~/.bashrc' >> ~/.bash_profile |
| 22:48.21 | babilen | tongueroo: you should put it into .bash_pro .... ah nvm |
| 22:48.24 | tongueroo | KnuckOne : oh duh |
| 22:48.25 | tongueroo | thanks |
| 22:48.27 | tongueroo | :) |
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| 22:49.26 | robokop | babilen: the problem is i changed from a x86 to a amd64 install but i have backups from the old install and i would like to find my old keymap and use that one |
| 22:49.30 | karl_k | putting a script in /etc/pm/sleep.d/ does not work |
| 22:49.47 | pjj | babilen: dunno how to copy paste from my urxvt but it has an attribute error (wiredcombobox has no attribute set_w) |
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| 22:50.33 | unbounded11 | hi friends. what should i choose for dynamic dns for my adsl so i can connect with openvpn any of you friends using one that can recommend which go good with debian lenny |
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| 22:51.08 | babilen | robokop: and you can't remember which one that was? |
| 22:51.15 | karl_k | hi unbounded11, dyndns has always been good for me |
| 22:51.23 | robokop | babilen: nope |
| 22:51.45 | unbounded11 | karl_k: thanks friend. btw it free is not it? |
| 22:51.51 | karl_k | yes |
| 22:51.58 | karl_k | well it was when i used to use it |
| 22:52.04 | robokop | babilen: because in my last install it defaulted to a correct keymap |
| 22:52.05 | babilen | robokop: Then just pick a suitable one. That might depend on the keyboard model and the language(s) you frequently type in. |
| 22:52.10 | unbounded11 | so i need to install its linux server daemon and conf it and run it and thats it. |
| 22:52.30 | karl_k | yep, there is a dynamic update daemon afaik |
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| 22:53.12 | pjj | babilen: nvm thought you ment with BTS back trace or something, but you were refering to the debian bug tracking system, my bad |
| 22:53.20 | karl_k | aptitude search dyndns |
| 22:53.40 | karl_k | btw, why not go for a static ip ? |
| 22:54.16 | unbounded11 | karl_k provider doesnot support static ips |
| 22:54.18 | unbounded11 | so |
| 22:54.51 | karl_k | well dyndns was fine for me, they are reasonable people, in case you want to run some servers |
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| 22:54.55 | karl_k | :) |
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| 22:55.33 | karl_k | hmm, so anyone know how to restart bluetooth on resume ? |
| 22:55.36 | unbounded11 | karl_k i only need it for 1 machine and gona run openvpn and apache on it. i hope it will not get charged or have problem with it. |
| 22:56.03 | path_ | openvpn works well |
| 22:56.23 | path_ | I'd say its slower than ipsec |
| 22:56.25 | karl_k | unbounded11: dyndns would not care,, openvpn is encrypted so your provider cant see what you do and apache is not usually a problem |
| 22:57.26 | babilen | pjj: sorry ... should have spelled that out :-) |
| 22:57.49 | karl_k | unbounded11: what do you use openvpn for ? |
| 22:59.00 | MarkGil | if I wanted to restrict rsylog resource usage using ulimit, how would i do so? There is a vague reference here (that does not actually tell you how to do it), http://wiki.rsyslog.com/index.php/Reducing_memory_usage |
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| 23:01.03 | babilen | MarkGil: Why don't you have a look at the alternatives. sysklogd will most probably have a smaller memory footprint. The idea to check what embedian uses was also quite good. |
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| 23:03.33 | MarkGil | I checked embedian, and it uses rsyslog! |
| 23:03.46 | MarkGil | http://www.emdebian.org/grip/search.php?package=rsyslog&arch=armel&distro=sid |
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| 23:05.50 | babilen | You are sure that it is the default syslogd? |
| 23:06.10 | MarkGil | it was the only package that came up when I searched for syslog |
| 23:06.16 | babilen | Try the others and pick the one you like best. :-D |
| 23:06.25 | acu | how can I transfer files through xchat |
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| 23:06.52 | ed__ | I made XMind go crazy and consume lots of resources so I ran killall Java. Some workbooks didn't open after that so I hoped it was Java or XMind that wasn't working after that and exitted GNOME. Now GNOME won't log out cleanly and oops, I've got some unsaved stuff in gedit. Any ideas on how to keep hold of the gedit stuff? |
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| 23:07.05 | ed__ | Usually, it would prompt me to save, right? |
| 23:07.23 | ed__ | GNOME is being totally unresponsive |
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| 23:07.37 | ed__ | Well, it doesn't seem to be reacting to my mouse much anyway |
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| 23:07.47 | ed__ | Aha! |
| 23:08.26 | ed__ | Problem solved. |
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| 23:25.40 | marius07 | acu open a dialog with me |
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| 23:27.48 | MoDaX | !+tell marius07 about private |
| 23:27.49 | dpkg | told marius07 about private (NO, we will NOT help you in private! Ask your question in the channel so that others can help. Don't send private messages to people asking for help, either, or you will be /ignore'd.) |
| 23:28.08 | adb | marius07, /j #debian-ro |
| 23:29.48 | antgel | i've just connected a lenny box to an LCD TV with resolution 1366x768, and pretty low DPI (say around 50?) my fonts in certain apps look crap. e.g. rxvt and openoffice are fine. iceweasel is fine except for the menu bar and url bar. picard and easytag are almost unusable. clue anybody? |
| 23:29.57 | simonrvn | what's with the "pls msg me foo" stuff lately? |
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| 23:30.05 | antgel | NB i'm not using kde or gnome |
| 23:30.09 | antgel | simonrvn: hi |
| 23:30.13 | simonrvn | hey antgel |
| 23:30.35 | antgel | all good in the hood i hope :) |
| 23:30.43 | simonrvn | up your dpi and maybe reduce the res. |
| 23:30.52 | simonrvn | yup, here anyway |
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| 23:31.10 | KnuckOne | yeah, also "man fonts.conf" should help |
| 23:31.47 | simonrvn | antgel: how 'bout you, doin' ok? |
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| 23:32.41 | antgel | simonrvn: hmm, 1366x768 is native res. i wish i could leave dpi at the native setting, what i don't get is why some fonts are readable, and some are scrawny |
| 23:32.50 | antgel | KnuckOne: can doodly-do |
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| 23:33.35 | antgel | simonrvn: yeah, bit of a crappy year, been in a sort of self-inflicted limbo but my load has lightened (oo-er) and things looking up |
| 23:34.05 | simonrvn | good, so not great but improving. that's encouraging =) |
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| 23:34.23 | Penix | I've always avoided 1366x768 on my 32" LCD TV. everything looks so much better at 1280x720 |
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| 23:35.45 | Arrowmaster | if you arent using kde or gnome maybe some of the fonts are being anti-aliased while others arent |
| 23:35.48 | nik0z | Give instant Google Wave invites for Dropbox Refferal SignUp: http://j.mp/4A4ZD6 U don't need to send me mail, I will see it after sign up! |
| 23:35.51 | antgel | xrandr reports 59.8 dpi. let's call it 60. but the weird thing is, it's 32" wide, and 1366/32 is more like 43. weird |
| 23:36.24 | Arrowmaster | what gfx card? |
| 23:36.28 | antgel | Arrowmaster: the crap fonts are so *tiny*, it's hard to say if they're being anti-aliased |
| 23:36.51 | antgel | radeon hd 3600 |
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| 23:37.32 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 23:48.58 | antgel | i suppose i can have a go with FC_DEBUG. ballache |
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| 23:53.01 | mercutio22 | !debian |
| 23:53.02 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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