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| 00:24.18 | Drunken_Irony | i'm using a core i7 processor, which type of debian should i download for the usb installer? |
| 00:24.23 | Drunken_Irony | amd64 or ia64? |
| 00:24.39 | abrotman | not ia64 .. either amd64 or i386 |
| 00:24.48 | Drunken_Irony | i want to use the 64 bit |
| 00:24.58 | markybob | Drunken_Irony, then amd64, as ia64 wont work |
| 00:25.01 | abrotman | okay .. amd64 .. ia64 isn't for your machine |
| 00:25.05 | Drunken_Irony | ahhh |
| 00:25.08 | Drunken_Irony | the amd threw me off |
| 00:25.10 | Drunken_Irony | :) |
| 00:26.41 | Drunken_Irony | is there also a 150 meg or so iso that i can download for that as well? |
| 00:26.54 | markybob | Drunken_Irony, yes. netisnt |
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| 00:27.02 | Drunken_Irony | i'm on vista right now |
| 00:27.11 | markybob | Drunken_Irony, dont care |
| 00:27.13 | Drunken_Irony | and new to linux |
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| 00:28.19 | markybob | Drunken_Irony, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 00:28.28 | Drunken_Irony | thanks m8 |
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| 00:29.10 | Drunken_Irony | begins download |
| 00:29.25 | Drunken_Irony | i've got debian running on my netbook and am stoked to move over on my desktop as well |
| 00:29.28 | xNinja | hey... |
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| 00:30.22 | xNinja | i was connected with no problem through wireless but after i plugged the cable i think the default route has been changed to use the wired network, but i want to use the wireless network as my default route, because wired network has no internet |
| 00:30.53 | antgel | xNinja: are you using network manager? |
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| 00:31.01 | xNinja | no all through shell |
| 00:31.04 | markybob | xNinja, so specify it in your route command. sudo route add default gw 192.168.1.1 wlan0 (for example) |
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| 00:31.41 | antgel | xNinja: and it's set correctly in /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 00:32.16 | antgel | (as in, no gateway on the wired network) |
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| 00:32.32 | edgardo-laptop | hi |
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| 00:33.54 | xNinja | antgel its not debian :P |
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| 00:35.07 | abrotman | then why are you asking here? |
| 00:35.35 | markybob | abrotman, that's like asking a child where babies come from |
| 00:35.42 | xNinja | i guess its route problem so no matter what os ? |
| 00:35.47 | markybob | idiots are...well...idiots |
| 00:36.00 | xNinja | markybob try to talk nicely... |
| 00:36.00 | markybob | xNinja, go away |
| 00:36.01 | abrotman | xNinja: go to the correct channel for your Linux distro, this isn't it |
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| 00:41.09 | braunkraut | xNinja: it is a route problem, but with debian init scripts there are ways to adjust the metric using the post-up interface scripts that probably aren't available in antgel |
| 00:41.31 | braunkraut | man route |
| 00:41.43 | themill | antgel: you've become a linux distro too now, it seems. Hope you enjoy that. |
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| 00:42.52 | xNinja | lol |
| 00:43.07 | xNinja | i solve it thanks anyway! |
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| 01:00.04 | ootput | regarding that routing issue, how would he have addressed that via interfaces? |
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| 01:38.40 | simonrvn | ootput: as sir |
| 01:39.24 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ...in KDE 3.5 ....how can i add a keyboard layout ? |
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| 01:58.04 | ootput | simonrvn: lame! |
| 01:58.17 | simonrvn | *grin* |
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| 02:05.50 | UserReg_CL | hi, helpme please... need install debian 5.03 only text mode |
| 02:06.26 | markybob | UserReg_CL, you havent asked a question |
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| 02:20.44 | abrotman | UserReg_CL: what do you want to do? |
| 02:21.47 | UserReg_CL | markybob : need install debian 5.03 for use server web |
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| 02:22.31 | qwd | UserReg_CL: read the docs on debian.org then |
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| 02:23.19 | UserReg_CL | abrotman: need install debian 5.03 for maximum performance, know one guide ? |
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| 02:23.57 | gkahla | 'build-essential' is pretty minimal. opinions about any other GUI dev tools? |
| 02:24.03 | abrotman | UserReg_CL: that doesnt' even make sense |
| 02:24.08 | qwd | !installation |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:24.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:24.48 | tuv | acpid is causing high cpu usage after a few hours every time it's restarted. once it's restarted cpu usage goes back to normal for a few hours then it spikes again until the next acpid restart. has anyone seen this behaviour recently? any known fixes? |
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| 02:36.18 | ybit | what's the package count of debian atm? |
| 02:36.51 | ybit | pkg-nums |
| 02:36.52 | ybit | got it |
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| 02:41.59 | asarch | I |
| 02:42.03 | asarch | Hi |
| 02:42.12 | asarch | I am getting this when I plug my external HDD: |
| 02:42.16 | asarch | http://shak.pastebin.com/mca18956 |
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| 02:46.03 | babilen | asarch: google that error messages, there are a couple of hits .. |
| 02:46.40 | asarch | Is it this? "scsi 4:0:0:0: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery" |
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| 02:50.14 | babilen | no, "usb 1-1: device descriptor read/64, error -71" |
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| 02:57.29 | tacosbellos | Needing help loading pictures on my ATIVA digital photo frame, anybody own one in here? |
| 02:58.21 | asarch | Thank you babilen |
| 02:58.25 | asarch | :-) |
| 02:58.46 | babilen | asarch: am working, that's why ;-) found a solution? |
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| 03:05.50 | Gm4n | I just updated my system, and mdadm doesn't show my raid device anymore. How do I recreate it? I know what volumes were in it, but I don't want to lose my data... |
| 03:06.04 | Gm4n | is there a way to scan and automatically recreate the raid? |
| 03:06.38 | CodeWeaver | most raid controllers, even cheap ones are able to recreate the raid under the raid setup after POST |
| 03:06.47 | qwd | If I copy something in a terminal with screens copy mode (Ctrl-a H Space Pagedown Space) how can I paste this in a Gnome app? When I do Ctrl-v I paste an url I copied earlier. |
| 03:06.51 | Gm4n | it's a software raid, not a harware raid |
| 03:06.55 | CodeWeaver | ah! |
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| 03:08.30 | elik | can't I use slocate to find files larger than a certain size? |
| 03:08.33 | Gm4n | so anyway, mdadm.conf still defines my device md0, but /proc/mdstat doesn't show anything (nor does mdadm -D /dev/md0) |
| 03:08.33 | CodeWeaver | you could always pop them in a FreeNAS and rebuild the software RAID |
| 03:08.50 | Gm4n | well, the raid didn't fail, I just did a kernel update and it wasn't automatically created on reboot |
| 03:09.01 | Gm4n | no drive went bad |
| 03:09.12 | Gm4n | I just want to recreate the raid without losing the data |
| 03:10.17 | xyan | Gm4n: did you take a look into the syslog? any messeges regarding mdadm there? |
| 03:10.30 | xyan | Gm4n: also do you see any md devices? |
| 03:10.47 | Gm4n | nothing recent |
| 03:10.54 | Gm4n | /dev/md0 exists, but doesn't seem to do anything |
| 03:11.02 | xyan | hrm |
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| 03:11.09 | Gm4n | let me pastbin some stuff |
| 03:11.18 | xyan | Gm4n: man mdadm, see "assemble" |
| 03:11.36 | xyan | mdadm usually warns you whenever it wants to do something harmful btw |
| 03:12.50 | elik | Can't slocate search by file size? If not, is there an enhanced version that allows it? |
| 03:13.34 | xyan | elik: what about "find"? |
| 03:13.46 | xyan | theres an -size option check the manpage |
| 03:13.51 | elik | xyan, that I know |
| 03:14.00 | elik | but find is slow, locate is indexed |
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| 03:14.23 | xyan | create your index using find :) and grep |
| 03:14.56 | elik | I was looking at a quicker way that rewriting locate altogether... |
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| 03:17.26 | tensorpudding | locate is much nicer than find |
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| 03:22.16 | dkr | there are always trade-offs |
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| 03:35.14 | Gm4n | xyan: you say mdadm warns me, but I just want to double check. Does this look right? mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 --verbose --level=5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 |
| 03:35.41 | xyan | Gm4n: yes it does |
| 03:36.05 | Gm4n | thanks for the sanity check :) |
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| 03:36.21 | xyan | Gm4n: by the way, did you even try to invoke the init script? |
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| 03:36.55 | Gm4n | you mean /etc/init.d/mdadm[-raid]? |
| 03:37.02 | xyan | yep |
| 03:37.04 | Gm4n | they were invoked on system startup |
| 03:37.15 | xyan | but nothing happened? |
| 03:37.22 | Gm4n | nope |
| 03:37.37 | Gm4n | should I re-run? |
| 03:37.43 | xyan | does mdadm --detail /dev/md0 yield anything? |
| 03:37.45 | Gm4n | (I didn't do anything except an apt-get upgrade and a reboot) |
| 03:38.02 | Gm4n | mdadm: md device /dev/md0 does not appear to be active |
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| 03:38.25 | xyan | yeah then retry the init scripts |
| 03:38.41 | Gm4n | which should I run first? mdadm, or mdadm-raid? |
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| 03:38.47 | xyan | mdadm-raid |
| 03:38.56 | xyan | the latter one is just the monitoring |
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| 03:39.08 | Gm4n | Assembling MD array md0...failed (no devices found). |
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| 03:39.22 | xyan | hrm |
| 03:39.36 | xyan | oh well did your disk appear with the same device names? |
| 03:40.08 | Gm4n | I don't understand your question. Do you mean did sd[a-c]1 appear in the correct orders? |
| 03:40.32 | xyan | exactly |
| 03:41.19 | Gm4n | as far as I can tell, yes. I didn't touch the hardware, so I don't see why they would have changed places |
| 03:41.35 | Gm4n | (I know sda is correct, and I don't have a way to tell sdb/sdc apart) |
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| 03:44.16 | Gm4n | xyan: should I just go ahead and --assemble? |
| 03:44.54 | xyan | Gm4n: uhm one more thing compare the UUID from mdadm.conf with the actual devices UUID's |
| 03:45.25 | Gm4n | mdadm.conf just lists the overall md0 uuid, I think |
| 03:45.30 | Gm4n | there's only one uuid listed |
| 03:45.33 | xyan | blkid /dev/sd[abc]1 that is |
| 03:45.36 | xyan | ? |
| 03:45.45 | Gm4n | none of that |
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| 03:45.52 | Gm4n | want a pastebin? |
| 03:46.10 | xyan | well all my raid devices have the same uuid as listed in mdadm.conf |
| 03:46.36 | xyan | also did you set the partition's magic to FD for raid/autodetect? |
| 03:46.45 | Gm4n | xyan: http://pastebin.ca/1695723 |
| 03:47.15 | Gm4n | yes, sda1/sdb1/sdc1 are all FD |
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| 03:47.52 | xyan | mdadm --detail --scan doesnt work either? |
| 03:48.08 | Gm4n | mdadm: metadata format 00.90 unknown, ignored. |
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| 03:48.33 | xyan | does it show a ARRAY line though? |
| 03:48.40 | Gm4n | that's the only output |
| 03:48.51 | xyan | hrm strange |
| 03:48.56 | xyan | then go on and try to assemble |
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| 03:49.17 | rxt0 | Hey there, what is the best way to upgrade to the last stable version? |
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| 03:50.12 | Gm4n | rxt0: aptitude dist-upgrade, roughly speaking. Although dpkg can tell you more |
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| 03:50.54 | maher | any know where i can get a precompiled rt kernel, or do i really have to compile my own... |
| 03:51.00 | Gm4n | xyan: assemble worked instantly :) |
| 03:51.20 | abrotman | rxt0: from what? |
| 03:51.24 | xyan | mdadm --detail --scan again |
| 03:51.34 | abrotman | maher: some other distros have them |
| 03:51.34 | rxt0 | Gm4n: I read somewhere else you need to edit /etc/apt/sources.list adding lenny's (or whatever) repos |
| 03:51.47 | rxt0 | abrotman: from etch to lenny |
| 03:51.57 | abrotman | !tell rxt0 about etch->lenny |
| 03:51.58 | Gm4n | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 03:51.59 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 03:52.01 | abrotman | !tell rxt0 about lenny release notes |
| 03:52.40 | rxt0 | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 03:52.40 | dpkg | Read the release notes, ask me about <lenny release notes>. Ensure your Etch installation is up to date (aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade). Edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and change all non-local mentions of "etch" to "lenny". aptitude update; aptitude install aptitude; aptitude safe-upgrade; aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <apt-listbugs>, <etch->lenny key>. |
| 03:52.45 | abrotman | rxt0: please msg the bot |
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| 03:53.20 | rxt0 | wow, that was fast, thank you so much |
| 03:53.32 | Gm4n | xyan: that gives correct output (ARRAY /dev/md0 level=raid5.....). Now I just need to do my mdadm.conf properly... |
| 03:53.51 | maher | abrotman: ok - i'm a halfwit - don't know why i couldn't find the ubuntu rt kernel before now... |
| 03:53.54 | simonrvn | wow, bot spam.... |
| 03:54.30 | abrotman | blames the users! |
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| 03:54.40 | Gm4n | guilty as charged |
| 03:55.21 | maher | are the nokia n900's shipping? who has one? |
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| 03:56.30 | abrotman | maher: wrong channel ? |
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| 03:56.47 | simonrvn | try people who care :P |
| 03:57.02 | maher | wants debian on his phone |
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| 03:57.14 | Gm4n | ooh, that would be cool |
| 03:57.35 | simonrvn | it's not like it hasn't been done before ;). |
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| 03:57.53 | acu | I have few workstations I am trying to install squeeze - it cannot recognize the 1080p monitors - and I tried few of them - what can I do |
| 03:58.06 | rxt0 | That's why I dream having an OpenMoko |
| 03:58.24 | liable | they're not that good |
| 03:58.24 | abrotman | acu: with which video card? |
| 03:58.28 | maher | rxt0: i would be more likely to get one if they still made them... |
| 03:58.37 | abrotman | maher: they still do |
| 03:59.07 | rxt0 | abrotman: i was about to suicide, really |
| 03:59.26 | maxagaz | how to check the last installed/upgraded packages on my system since a given date ? |
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| 04:00.13 | acu | abrotman - both ati and nvidia |
| 04:00.36 | liable | maxagaz: aptitude/dpkg logs |
| 04:01.28 | Gm4n | xyan: so how do I add the devices themselves to mdadm.conf? |
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| 04:02.24 | Gm4n | do I just add a "DEVICE /dev/ad[abc]1"? |
| 04:02.53 | simonrvn | i'd use the UUID if at all possible |
| 04:04.12 | Gm4n | how do I go about that? |
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| 04:06.26 | Gm4n | I'm having trouble finding examples of that |
| 04:07.17 | simonrvn | use blkid |
| 04:07.34 | Gm4n | ooh, cool :) |
| 04:09.18 | xyan | Gm4n: usually its enough to put the ARRAY lines that mdadm --detail --scan shows into the config file |
| 04:09.42 | Gm4n | xyan: that only shows a single line, and it had issues this time around |
| 04:10.05 | xyan | is it the exact same line thats present already? |
| 04:10.36 | Gm4n | ah, no it's not |
| 04:10.47 | Gm4n | the uuid changed |
| 04:10.51 | Gm4n | that might be relevant :P |
| 04:10.58 | xyan | :-) |
| 04:13.57 | Gm4n | perfect, worked on reboot. Thanks, xyan! |
| 04:13.59 | peterrooney | is there any way to get audio continue when I switch away from X to vt[1-6] ? (etch) |
| 04:16.40 | lkthomas | guys, how could I do rsync with delta sync only ? |
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| 04:19.37 | Thuuugs | How would one find Debians' OS constraint limits - for example ulimit -a might show unlimited, but it really isnt |
| 04:20.16 | internat | howdy guys and gals, whats the best way in a sudoers file to limit which accounts a user can su into? |
| 04:20.35 | Gm4n | internat: specify them |
| 04:20.56 | internat | how? |
| 04:21.09 | internat | list all the sudo su - user variations? |
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| 04:22.00 | Gm4n | internat: someuser ALL=(user1,user2) .... |
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| 04:22.38 | internat | erm |
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| 04:22.43 | internat | rtfs |
| 04:22.45 | internat | rtfms* |
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| 04:27.14 | peterrooney | I admit, the sudoers man page is a miracle of information density, but BNF? Nobody ever learned how to program C by studying the specification (though many have learned how to program better). |
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| 04:32.45 | alombax | So I'm about to install debain on my T43, using the DVD iso from the front page link |
| 04:33.03 | alombax | Do I need any special drivers, or is all the support built in by now? |
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| 04:35.30 | qwd | alombax: I doubt anyone here knows about drivers for your particular hardware. Try to google it or just install it and see for yourself. |
| 04:36.14 | EXp1r3d | alombax, or you can check the debian live cd firstly , it would be a good start .... |
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| 05:00.45 | manug | how come the version of iceweasel in the lenny repo is so old? |
| 05:03.14 | tuv | acpid is causing high cpu usage after a few hours every time it's restarted. once it's restarted cpu usage goes back to normal for a few hours then it spikes again until the next acpid restart. has anyone seen this behaviour recently? any known fixes? |
| 05:04.51 | liable | tuv: havent heard of it, try starting the daemon manually in verbose mode if it has it |
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| 05:05.37 | liable | manug: because lenny only gets security updates, not version upgrades |
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| 05:06.09 | manug | liable -- is there a way to upgrade it without switching to sid? |
| 05:06.23 | liable | !tell manug -about bpo |
| 05:06.37 | manug | thanks! |
| 05:06.41 | liable | manug: no idea if backports has a newer iceweasel though |
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| 05:07.51 | manug | it's worth a try |
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| 05:14.19 | laurus | I just installed Debian 5.0.3. and on installing the postgresql package, aptitude seems to be hanging forever on the line: Creating new cluster (configuration: /etc/postgresql/8.3/main, data: /var/lib/postgresql/8.3/main)... what gives? |
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| 05:15.47 | peterrooney | laurus: what do top and lsof point at? |
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| 05:16.01 | laurus | peterrooney, what do you mean? |
| 05:16.39 | laurus | Ohh |
| 05:16.54 | laurus | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.04 | laurus | For postgresq 8354 |
| 05:17.09 | laurus | Heh, what do I do about that? |
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| 05:18.17 | laurus | This seems like a pretty significant bug... |
| 05:18.27 | laurus | I found a German post here: http://www.pg-forum.de/installation-von-postgresql/4021-problem-bei-installation-von-postgresql-8-3-auf-debian.html |
| 05:18.37 | puff | Hi, anyone home? |
| 05:18.46 | puff | I'm migrating an old system over to new hardware. |
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| 05:19.02 | puff | I'm hoping for a little feedback on my plan. I figured I might as well write it up as a howto of sorts. |
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| 05:20.45 | laurus | Hmm, it still seems to work even after a ^C. Oh well :) |
| 05:20.47 | zhenia | I need some help from the community. first the request is off topic, what's the chat room for that? |
| 05:20.51 | laurus | Thanks peterrooney |
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| 05:21.11 | liable | !ot |
| 05:21.12 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 05:23.05 | puff | http://darksleep.com/notablog/articles/Migrating_To_New_Hardware |
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| 05:27.24 | puff | Anybody? Bueler? |
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| 05:31.31 | khem_ | could someone here help me setup a stunnel that tunnels inside my local machine. so that i connect to localhost:9000 for exampkel and get "bounced" to localhost:8000 |
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| 05:32.10 | nevyn | khem_: ssh -L 9000:localhost:80000 user@locahost |
| 05:33.38 | khem_ | nevyn: i want to use stunnel :( |
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| 05:35.08 | jmarsden | khem_: man stunnel and also see http://www.stunnel.org/examples/ |
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| 05:43.22 | puff | hm, /etc/passwd is the main passwd data, /etc/shadow is the password shadow file, e.g. file where the actual encrypted passwords are stored, with tighter permissions. |
| 05:43.32 | puff | /etc/group is the groups file, where's the group shadow file, /etc/gshadow? |
| 05:43.58 | puff | Right. |
| 05:44.08 | puff | And /etc/group is the groups file, where's the group shadow file, /etc/gshadow? Right. |
| 05:44.17 | puff | I have, on my old box, a n /etc/shadow.org file. |
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| 06:05.52 | puff | I have an rsync/ssh/perms question... I want to rsync the /home/ dir between two machines. |
| 06:06.12 | puff | Short of running rsync-over-ssh as root (which I'm pretty sure isn't allowed), how would I do this? |
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| 06:07.46 | jmarsden | puff: Grab a listing of /home/* and then rsync one user at a time connecting as that user... assuming you have ssh keypairs available for each user concerned... |
| 06:08.44 | puff | jmarsden: Hm, maybe I'd be better off figuring out how to enable ssh-as-root, at least for a little while. |
| 06:08.53 | puff | Sigh... |
| 06:09.00 | frostschutz | puff: I rsync as root but restrict it to the dir using rrsync |
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| 06:09.23 | puff | How is that normally configured? E.g. what do I change to enable remote login as root? |
| 06:09.31 | puff | Set the root passwd for starts, I guess. |
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| 06:09.45 | frostschutz | I totally don't remember how I set this up, sorry ;) |
| 06:10.06 | f00bar80 | is there a debian version which i can use it for 512M usb stick, to run debian from this usb ? i tried debian-live-502-standard.img and tried to put on the usb using a dd windows version, but failed, is there no image which i can just copy and boot it from usb ? |
| 06:10.10 | frostschutz | use key pairs instead of passwords |
| 06:10.13 | puff | Thanks anyway. |
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| 06:12.51 | f00bar80 | any comment ? |
| 06:13.06 | puff | Yeah, setting the root password enbled it. |
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| 06:16.35 | f00bar80 | am i off-topic ? |
| 06:17.05 | jmarsden | f00bar80: That's not how USB booting works... you have to do a little more than just DD an ISO :) |
| 06:17.47 | f00bar80 | jmarsden,any guide ? |
| 06:17.53 | yaowla | I am a 'testing' user. I have used mplayer all along. Recently, I find that I cannot play video of any format. I just did a 'apt-get upgrade' and still have the same problem. I have "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main" in my sources.list. How to check if mplayer is properly installed? |
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| 06:18.09 | jmarsden | f00bar80: Probably... let me look... |
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| 06:18.56 | fonzotic | f00bar80: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/446 and http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB for a start |
| 06:19.54 | jmarsden | f00bar80: http://wiki.debian.org/BootUsb |
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| 06:23.21 | yakimo | ive setup a debian install on an old laptop to share files, everything seems good, but from my windows box when i try to login in to the server it refuses me even with root |
| 06:24.15 | fonzotic | yakimo: share files? via samba? did you add the windows users to samba with smbpasswd? |
| 06:24.37 | yakimo | yes via samba |
| 06:24.55 | yakimo | but i dont want people to have to type in passwords to these shares |
| 06:25.12 | yakimo | ive set the shares to nobody |
| 06:26.23 | nsadmin | yakimo: and you're offering write access to the shares? |
| 06:26.44 | yakimo | no |
| 06:26.48 | yakimo | just read |
| 06:27.15 | nsadmin | I knew it was too good to be true... |
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| 06:27.52 | gurugeek | anyone knows a good audio editor? i'm looking for a one with most features and controls... |
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| 06:35.26 | jmarsden | gurugeek: If you need a really powerful one, use Ardour. For something most humans can use at home, try Audacity |
| 06:36.15 | gurugeek | jmarsden: can audacity split audio from a video? |
| 06:37.01 | jmarsden | As far as I know it is an audio editor not a video editor :) |
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| 06:37.51 | lsbrum | gurugeek: mplayer/mencoder |
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| 06:38.35 | \amethyst | gurugeek: mplayer -dumpaudio will extract the audio tracks from a video; then you can process them using sox, audacity etc |
| 06:39.32 | gurugeek | \amethyst: thanks... i'll try 'em all |
| 06:39.41 | gurugeek | lsbrum: thanks |
| 06:40.10 | gurugeek | jmarsden: downloading ardour... it looks good from the screenshots, i'll try this first |
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| 06:41.12 | jmarsden | gurugeek: For serious multitrack audio geekery, Ardour is great... but it can take some time to learn. |
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| 06:44.35 | gurugeek | jmarsden: i think this is what i need. i'll be using this to preprocess/convert my raw video files into data sets |
| 06:44.41 | gurugeek | yes i'm doing my thesis |
| 06:45.29 | marko90 | hi, guys! I've got a notebook and when I boot Linux on it, the fan is working all the time while on Microsoft OS's it's working only when the CPU is heavy load for a while. Do you know how this can be solved? |
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| 06:55.24 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:55.25 | dpkg | <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 06:55.37 | jmarsden | marko90: I'm not at all expert on that level of hardware detail, but I'd say that is a sign Debian doesn't fully understand the power/heat management hardware of your notebook, or its ACPI stuff. It can probably only be fixed by someone who can code at a very low level adding support for your hardware. For some more info, read http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed |
| 06:55.46 | liable | he left |
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| 06:56.17 | jmarsden | liable: OK... that'll teach me to turn off seeing all the join/leave messages :) |
| 06:56.33 | liable | :) |
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| 07:07.02 | flourish | i guest there must be many administrators here, so i want to know that for mailsystem, which programs you used to control junk/spam. my server running with postfix and a spam filter call spam locker. But it seems still many junk/spam messages in mailboxes. |
| 07:07.49 | flourish | i know something about dspam, amavisd-new, spamassassin, but don't know usually people uses which one to do the job |
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| 07:07.55 | gurugeek | spam assasin |
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| 07:08.30 | liable | are you training yours? |
| 07:08.33 | flourish | just this one? |
| 07:09.15 | flourish | liable: well, for my laziness, if i can control the spam/junk without training, that will be best:-) |
| 07:09.40 | liable | lazy admins are full of fail :P |
| 07:10.14 | flourish | liable: yes, and now i am failing with control the junk:-( |
| 07:10.49 | Wooga | how do i build kernel from source in debian squeeze (with tuxonice patch)? it installed by dependences linux-source-2.6.30 and now i got unpacked and patched tarball in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.30, but how do i build it? |
| 07:11.01 | flourish | so i decide to make it more suitable. |
| 07:11.06 | Wooga | i heard about something like make-kpkg, should i use it? |
| 07:11.30 | liable | Wooga: do you still have to patch the kernel for tux on ice? |
| 07:11.36 | peterrooney | Wooga: yes, make-kpkg is the one to use. |
| 07:11.56 | Wooga | liable: as i know, yes |
| 07:12.09 | Wooga | peterrooney: thanks! |
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| 07:12.20 | liable | !KP mantra |
| 07:12.20 | dpkg | from memory, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 07:13.26 | Wooga | but part of which package maka-kpkg is? |
| 07:13.32 | cydork | !kernel-package |
| 07:13.33 | dpkg | [kernel-package] To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "aptitude install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. You should also ask me about <make-kpkg>, <kp mantra> and <kernel build-deps>. |
| 07:13.58 | Wooga | kernel-package? |
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| 07:14.05 | cydork | yes.. |
| 07:14.09 | Wooga | thanks |
| 07:15.35 | kolby | wine was corrupted. how do I reinstall from scratch? |
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| 07:21.26 | nsadmin | kolby how did you install it? |
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| 07:23.37 | nsadmin | nonresponsive... gonna go walk my turtle |
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| 07:41.15 | tazle | how would I install a single package from unstable on an otherwise testing-based machine? |
| 07:41.30 | grozavpaul | anyone knows how i can install gyachi on Debian 503 ? |
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| 07:44.10 | liable | tazle: depends. does it have many dependancies? |
| 07:44.13 | nsadmin | tazle: recompile the package (aka backport it) |
| 07:44.28 | nsadmin | debian does not work well with mixtures |
| 07:44.37 | MrTorque | hi. i have a question: do spaces in crontab matter? like i have (_=space) __0___3_____*? |
| 07:45.09 | nsadmin | MrTorque: no, one space is any number of (consecutive) spaces |
| 07:45.54 | MrTorque | nsadmin: thanks for you answer. i already persumed it, but i wanted to be sure. |
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| 07:46.15 | nsadmin | (spaces DO matter in some kinds of files, like makefiles) |
| 07:46.26 | the_gamer | how to install a package i have on my hdd as an .deb? |
| 07:46.42 | nsadmin | the_gamer: dpkg --help |
| 07:46.49 | the_gamer | thanks |
| 07:46.50 | grozavpaul | the_gamer : dpkg -i fileName.deb |
| 07:47.43 | the_gamer | grozavpaul, thanks |
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| 07:52.33 | tazle | liable, nsadmin: I was going to try to find an Emacs version where http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=550170 doesn't reproduce |
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| 07:53.22 | tazle | however, I think I should go back rather than forward - at least 23.1+1-5 shows very few changes in the changelog |
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| 07:54.41 | papul | hi guys. |
| 07:54.49 | papul | i have a problem with debian |
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| 07:55.13 | nsadmin | debian's not here! |
| 07:55.18 | papul | in arch if i do sudo dhcpcd eth0 my modem is auto configured |
| 07:55.21 | nsadmin | seriously... |
| 07:55.35 | papul | whats the command to do that in debian? |
| 07:55.43 | nsadmin | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 07:55.53 | nsadmin | man 5 interfaces for reference |
| 07:55.54 | liable | modem or ethernet card? |
| 07:56.26 | papul | liable: eth |
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| 07:56.30 | liable | dhclient eth0 is the equivelant |
| 07:56.49 | papul | liable: ok thanks |
| 07:57.16 | papul | i am in shell. so when the install would be over i will come here |
| 07:57.18 | streuner_ | grozavpaul: http://gyachi.sourceforge.net/ |
| 07:57.32 | streuner_ | !gyachi |
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| 08:02.38 | nsadmin | papul|away: if you're installing, the installer should take care of that for you |
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| 08:07.27 | tuv | liable: so i tracked the acpid issue to video brightness events: keyboard brightness up/down and close-lid. two clients match for the events: hald-addon-acpi and X, and then a third rule from /etc/acpi/events/{videobtn,video_brightnessup,video_brightnessdown} matches. commenting the contents of video_brightnessdown resolved the issue for brightness down events, but not the others. is there a clean way to resolve this? |
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| 08:08.52 | nsadmin | tuv: the clean way would be to determine the intent of the maintainer to make the rules that way, and then compare that to your own intent of how you want it to work |
| 08:09.49 | liable | tuv: got another kernel you can try to see if its userspace or kernel causing it? |
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| 08:10.10 | tuv | nsadmin: the current (default) rules are causing 100% cpu usage on any of these video events |
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| 08:11.05 | tuv | liable: i have 2.6.30-1 (running 2.6.30-2). would that make any difference |
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| 08:11.07 | liable | i dont reckon its the rules, theres something wrong with acpid |
| 08:11.07 | grozavpaul | streuner: is it safe to install the "ubuntu packages" ? |
| 08:11.15 | liable | tuv: prolly not |
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| 08:13.01 | tuv | liable: the debug output of acpid seems to indicate that the event is occuring infinitely many times after i trigger it by keyboard or lid |
| 08:13.47 | tuv | which does not happen if i comment the contents of acpid video rules files |
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| 08:14.07 | liable | tuv: oh, ok. have you tried downgrading acpid or whatever package has those scripts in it? |
| 08:14.09 | tuv | and the events behave correctly in that case too |
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| 08:14.36 | liable | tuv: http://osdir.com/ml/debian-bugs-dist/2009-11/msg08558.html |
| 08:15.41 | liable | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=%23558656 |
| 08:15.49 | liable | downgrade acpid |
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| 08:22.11 | tuv | liable: thanks.. downgraded from 1.0.10-4 to 1.0.10-3. brightness up/down buttons are ok now, but closing the lid still causes the 100% cpu usage until acpid is killed/restarted - that was not the case a week ago |
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| 08:25.26 | bleah | hi |
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| 08:26.17 | tuv | liable: i'm guessing other daemons may need to be restarted. restarted acpi-support and hal, still closing the lid triggers the problem |
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| 08:27.17 | vy | Is it possible to mark a file "appendable only"? I can do this via "chattr +a", but I also don't want the user to be able to delete the file. Is such a thing possible? |
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| 08:31.27 | papul | hi. i have just installed debian without gui. now what do i have to install? xorg? |
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| 08:32.24 | liable | xorg and whataver window manager/desktop you want. and probably a DM |
| 08:32.35 | papul | liable: i wanna use xfce4 |
| 08:32.44 | liable | so install that.. |
| 08:33.01 | papul | and what is the command to update my sys? |
| 08:33.04 | liable | and gdm if you want a graphical login |
| 08:33.18 | liable | !reference |
| 08:33.19 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/"debian-reference"/ . Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference' |
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| 08:33.43 | dboehmer | hello everyone |
| 08:34.00 | dboehmer | LXDE wiki says for debian i need to add myself to group "powerdev" |
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| 08:34.11 | dboehmer | but no group of this name is existent in my installation |
| 08:34.23 | Thuuugs | any rtorrent gurus out there? |
| 08:34.31 | dboehmer | is the given information still correct? do i need to create such group of nonexistent? |
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| 08:35.01 | liable | dboehmer: there would be a package that creates it. not sure which, prolly acpid? |
| 08:35.22 | tuv | the strange thing is that all events seem to be handled correctly without acpid running. i wonder what functionality does it add exactly |
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| 08:35.42 | papul | so should i do apt-get install xorg? |
| 08:35.54 | papul | and what is the command to update my sys? |
| 08:36.00 | liable | tuv: screen brightness is sometimes a bios thing to. thinkpad brightness is like this |
| 08:36.02 | tuv | Thuuugs: give it a try |
| 08:36.21 | liable | papul: go read that reference that dpkg mentioned before ^^ |
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| 08:36.51 | iKriz | people i have an idiot problem |
| 08:36.59 | liable | kill him |
| 08:37.29 | papul | my kernel for debian is 2.6.26.-2-686. is that correct? |
| 08:37.30 | sauvin | iKriz, press the red button. |
| 08:37.35 | iKriz | accidentally destroyed some permissons in debian which now causes ssh not to work |
| 08:37.39 | liable | papul: for stable, yes |
| 08:37.42 | dboehmer | liable, i have acpid installed... could i damage something by creating group? |
| 08:37.48 | papul | liable: ok thanks |
| 08:37.52 | iKriz | kills himself and presses a red button |
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| 08:37.56 | iKriz | :p |
| 08:38.18 | iKriz | i still have ftp & web access |
| 08:38.29 | iKriz | via plesk |
| 08:38.36 | sauvin | where did you destroy permissions? |
| 08:38.37 | papul | ok i installed debian-references. how to read it? |
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| 08:39.13 | tuv | papul: dpkg -L debian-reference will list all the files installed by the package |
| 08:39.16 | iKriz | sauvin: i think the command was something like chown snort:root /* (instead of ./*) |
| 08:39.25 | iKriz | but cancelled it quite quickly |
| 08:39.34 | sauvin | eek! |
| 08:39.40 | ethanol | lolz |
| 08:39.40 | iKriz | so most of the system is still intact |
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| 08:39.52 | ethanol | I did a rm -rf /* once |
| 08:39.53 | ethanol | =D |
| 08:40.03 | ethanol | not much of the system was left intact |
| 08:40.03 | tuv | should a chown without -r be a problem? looks trivial to fix |
| 08:40.07 | liable | dboehmer: is laptop-mode-tools innstalled |
| 08:40.21 | sauvin | ethanol, me too :\ |
| 08:40.22 | papul | chown is a very dangerous command |
| 08:40.27 | iKriz | i'm thin it was without -r cant remember |
| 08:40.47 | iKriz | but the whole problem is how to get back in to the system |
| 08:40.57 | ethanol | you can't get back in? |
| 08:41.02 | iKriz | cant access ssh because of permission problem |
| 08:41.12 | ethanol | sounds like it was -r then |
| 08:41.13 | iKriz | last night it was still all fine |
| 08:41.40 | iKriz | basiclly i need to regan access via web |
| 08:41.47 | iKriz | regain* |
| 08:42.03 | iKriz | with something like a php shell and login as root |
| 08:42.34 | iKriz | then install acl and do a setacl command |
| 08:42.39 | iKriz | or something like that |
| 08:43.25 | iKriz | just did a fresh install yesterday... (this is too stupid to be true) |
| 08:44.01 | iKriz | anyone have a solution? |
| 08:44.03 | iKriz | :) |
| 08:44.09 | papul | ok i am installing xorg |
| 08:44.16 | dboehmer | liable, apt-cache show PKG-NAME saying "installed size: SOME-NUMBER" means it is installed, eh? |
| 08:44.27 | papul | next shall i make a file named .xinitrc in ~ |
| 08:44.47 | liable | dboehmer: no, that optput should state if its installed though |
| 08:44.56 | papul | next shall i make a file named .xinitrc in ~ ? |
| 08:45.08 | iKriz | anyone know of a tool> |
| 08:45.10 | iKriz | ? |
| 08:45.24 | tuv | papul: if you want a graphical login screen install gdm and you mostly won't need a hand-crafted .xinitrc |
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| 08:45.28 | liable | dboehmer: apparently HAL used to create that group, but no longer does. powersaved looks like the likely package, but i'm not sure if its needed anymore |
| 08:46.13 | dboehmer | liable, powersaved is obsolete these days |
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| 08:46.45 | papul | tuv i know the rest as i have used arch |
| 08:47.00 | papul | its lot more harder to install than debian |
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| 08:47.25 | liable | why are you asking so many questions then? |
| 08:47.36 | tuv | dboehmer: if that group is not created by default you most likely don't need it |
| 08:48.17 | dboehmer | tuv, i cannot shutdown my pc with LXDE. lxde wiki says i need to add myself to this group |
| 08:48.24 | dboehmer | tuv, you have some better idea? |
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| 08:49.16 | grozavpaul | is it safe to install ubuntu .deb packages over debian? |
| 08:49.34 | jmarsden | grozavpaul: No. |
| 08:49.50 | grozavpaul | what about debian .deb packages over ubuntu? |
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| 08:50.34 | liable | no |
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| 08:51.05 | papul | i guess i cant install firefox? |
| 08:51.22 | liable | its called iceweasel |
| 08:51.45 | papul | liable: addons available? |
| 08:51.49 | liable | sure |
| 08:51.52 | papul | ok |
| 08:52.01 | papul | the names confusing |
| 08:52.03 | liable | its the same browser, just without the logo |
| 08:52.11 | papul | why not firefox? |
| 08:52.20 | liable | licensing issues |
| 08:52.32 | papul | its open source i guess |
| 08:53.28 | tuv | dboehmer: hmm.. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=527085 |
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| 08:55.13 | grozavpaul | how do i install kernel sources in debian? |
| 08:55.21 | grozavpaul | what's the name of the package? |
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| 08:55.41 | liable | linux-source-xx |
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| 08:56.05 | grozavpaul | liable: xx? |
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| 08:56.19 | grozavpaul | ah |
| 08:56.20 | liable | version |
| 08:56.58 | grozavpaul | thank you :) |
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| 08:57.05 | liable | yw |
| 08:57.18 | dboehmer | tuv, seems debian stopped using group "powerdev" but which is the current way to get rights to shutdown etc.? |
| 08:58.19 | ethanol | gief root |
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| 08:59.27 | tuv | dboehmer: not sure. most of my installs are old enough to have the powerdev group. a newer machine doesn't have it, but it doesn't have a desktop environment installed either, so i'm not expecting the group there. i just sudo reboot whenever i need it (long live openbox) |
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| 09:00.37 | liable | policykit according to the changelog |
| 09:00.44 | dboehmer | tuv, thanks for your information so far. i have to leave now. a customer needs my help! bye |
| 09:00.44 | liable | whatever the hell that is |
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| 09:02.57 | tuv | liable: policykit -> powerdev group? i have policykit installed but no powerdev group |
| 09:03.11 | liable | tuv: http://grulicueva.homelinux.net/~mdione/glob/posts/debian-hal-policykit/ |
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| 09:05.29 | tuv | liable: sounds like too much work.. so unlike debian |
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| 09:06.29 | tuv | liable: nice find though |
| 09:07.24 | f00bar80 | is there a way in debian to make my usb stick bootable ? |
| 09:08.29 | tuv | f00bar80: syslinux.. look for a howto |
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| 09:08.48 | liable | usually you just dd an image onto it |
| 09:10.15 | babilen | f00bar80: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 09:10.25 | f00bar80 | tuv, can i use parted toggle 1 boot ? |
| 09:10.41 | f00bar80 | babilen, i'm trying to install debian on a usb stick |
| 09:10.43 | papul | i am having problems running x thru startx. |
| 09:10.59 | tuv | the easiest way ever to get a multiboot usb: http://psychoticspoon.blogspot.com/2009/01/booting-multiple-livecds-from-single.html |
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| 09:11.02 | babilen | f00bar80: Which is well documentend and a completely different thing :-) |
| 09:11.30 | babilen | !usb install |
| 09:11.31 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 09:11.50 | babilen | f00bar80: You might also want to have a look at unetbootin |
| 09:11.52 | papul | why?? |
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| 09:12.53 | f00bar80 | babilen, that's what i tried and after rebooting i got "no bootable partition in table" |
| 09:13.24 | papul | i get fatal server lockup |
| 09:13.29 | papul | error |
| 09:13.34 | babilen | f00bar80: Ok, did you follow 4.3.3 ? And did you actually copy the iso file, or it's files? |
| 09:13.46 | babilen | papul: Paste /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:14.04 | f00bar80 | babilen, i used debian distro stable-netinstall |
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| 09:15.42 | babilen | f00bar80: Did you already try 4.3.3 (install-mbr) or the 'flexible way'? And as i said, you might also want to try with unetbootin |
| 09:16.19 | babilen | f00bar80: I'll be back later ... I walk you through this, but maybe somebody else can do this a little earlier. |
| 09:16.36 | f00bar80 | babilen, i used unetbootin and after i rebooted i got no bootable partition in table |
| 09:17.07 | babilen | f00bar80: Ok ... and did you tried the 'easy way' from the Debian documentation? |
| 09:17.24 | papul | to start fluxbox what should i add in .xinitrc |
| 09:17.35 | f00bar80 | babilen, which ? |
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| 09:18.06 | grozavpaul | how do i know where's the folder with the sources of my current Linux kernel? |
| 09:18.22 | babilen | f00bar80: http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 (or amd64) |
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| 09:20.24 | papul | babilen: how do i copy paste the log in nano? |
| 09:21.28 | papul | babilen: how do i copy paste the log in nano? |
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| 09:21.39 | babilen | !tell papul -about paste |
| 09:21.43 | babilen | !tell papul -about repeat |
| 09:21.59 | babilen | --> pastebinit <-- |
| 09:22.14 | papul | ^^^? |
| 09:22.42 | papul | babilen: cant use mouse |
| 09:22.57 | papul | !paste |
| 09:22.58 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 09:23.02 | babilen | papul: install pastebinit |
| 09:24.53 | papul | babilen: ok pastebin.com/f6821c723 |
| 09:25.30 | papul | !pastebinit |
| 09:25.30 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebinit is a command-line tool (packaged for Lenny, Squeeze) to send data to a <pastebin>; especially convenient if you don't have a graphical interface. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list" ; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit" |
| 09:26.03 | papul | babilen: ?? got it? |
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| 09:26.59 | babilen | papul: wtf? don't message me |
| 09:27.07 | babilen | ask the channel |
| 09:27.22 | papul | babilen: http://pastebin.com/f6821c723 |
| 09:27.31 | papul | the outout of xlog |
| 09:27.41 | papul | *output |
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| 09:29.32 | papul | some1 please help me cant start x |
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| 09:30.54 | RichiH | Error in I830WaitLpRing(), timeout for 2 seconds -- that sounds like a driver issue |
| 09:31.11 | RichiH | try a driver like vesa or so |
| 09:31.47 | analog | Does anybody have experience with debian live? I'm going to be installing it with "persistence" enabled as its going on a flash drive, but will that also allow me to install packages? |
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| 09:32.36 | CargolSS | My sound didnt worked until i started running alsaconf as root and magicaly it worked. Problem is i have to repeat the process everytime i restart Lenny. |
| 09:32.51 | CargolSS | Any suggestion on how to fix this? |
| 09:33.47 | babilen | papul: (i) install xserver-xorg-video-radeon (ii) edit your xorg.conf an replace fglrx with 'radeon' in the Device section (iii) /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
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| 09:35.18 | liable | he has an intel driver wasn't it? |
| 09:36.08 | babilen | liable: ah, dammit -- that's what you get for skimming over pastes and typing something in a hurry |
| 09:36.22 | babilen | papul: disregard my message |
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| 09:42.52 | spstarr | erm |
| 09:43.00 | spstarr | something broken in initramfs? |
| 09:43.13 | spstarr | [ 0.490760] hotplug[291]: segfault at 7fffe32fe038 ip 00007f8486f94c26 sp 00007fffe32ac5f0 error 4 in ld-linux-x86-64.so.2[7f8486f92000+1d000] |
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| 09:43.28 | spstarr | when adding a shell script to load firmware (radeon) in the ramdisk, the loader coredumps? |
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| 10:06.50 | wols | good morning. what's the most lightweigt desktop (mainly RAM) which has icons on the desktop a user can click to start apps? |
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| 10:08.29 | dev01 | wols:lxde might be interesting for you |
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| 10:11.16 | a-s | I have bought a CDMA modem, and I cannot make it work on linux. |
| 10:11.33 | a-s | could somebody help me? |
| 10:11.50 | a-s | in specification, it's written `EVDO technology based on Qualcomm MSM6800 chipset' |
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| 10:12.36 | wols | a-s: check the USB ID or PCI ID and google for that |
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| 10:14.03 | a-s | wols: checked |
| 10:14.51 | a-s | Bus 002 Device 005: ID 05c6:1000 Qualcomm, Inc. |
| 10:14.51 | doubleclick | here's one quiestion.. is there a way to find out memory manufacturer info without opening the laptop? :) |
| 10:15.32 | a-s | doubleclick: yes |
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| 10:15.36 | a-s | lspci |
| 10:16.09 | a-s | lshw, etc |
| 10:16.44 | Muhammad | a-s, the main idea behind configuring 3g usb adapters is to identify it as usb searial modem instead of usb mass storage , you would be interested to search for usb-switch modem tool |
| 10:16.54 | Muhammad | doubleclick, use dmidecode | more |
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| 10:20.45 | a-s | Muhammad: I have read and installed usb_modeswitch |
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| 10:21.45 | Muhammad | i think inside it's config file /etc/.../usb_modeswitch.conf , you have to search for your modem identifier and uncomment it's lines |
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| 10:22.12 | a-s | here is the output from usb_modeswitch http://pastebin.ca/1696084 |
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| 10:22.28 | doubleclick | looks like kingmax didn't sign the memory, it says Manufacturer: Manufacturer00 :) |
| 10:22.44 | tomodachi | sounds like a ripoff name of kingston |
| 10:22.52 | tomodachi | i had a memmory i bought in china named kinghorse once |
| 10:22.57 | doubleclick | a-s, Muhammad thanks for the hints ;) |
| 10:23.16 | doubleclick | tomodachi: yeah, i think it is a ripoff :) |
| 10:23.32 | Muhammad | np |
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| 10:24.35 | a-s | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.36 | Muhammad | a-s did you looked at the config file to see that your modem is supported or not ? |
| 10:24.50 | a-s | when I plug it, the "busy" led lights 1 second |
| 10:25.21 | a-s | Muhammad: what config file? |
| 10:25.21 | Muhammad | a-s what is your message log file says when you attach it ? |
| 10:25.33 | Muhammad | usb_modeswitch comes with configuration file ... |
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| 10:26.19 | a-s | ah |
| 10:26.34 | Muhammad | file look like usb_modswitch.conf or similar , i could not remember correctly the name , it was too long since i've configured that :) |
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| 10:28.01 | a-s | http://pastebin.ca/1696090 |
| 10:28.11 | a-s | here is the log of dmesg |
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| 10:28.45 | f00bar80 | from sh how can i test if i'm connected to the internet ? |
| 10:28.53 | giskard | guys how can i force apt to use only ipv4? |
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| 10:29.36 | a-s | Muhammad: I cannot find in its .config file the name Qualcomm |
| 10:29.45 | Muhammad | a-s, hmmmm |
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| 10:30.30 | a-s | but i find the vendor and product id |
| 10:30.32 | f00bar80 | any comment ? |
| 10:31.10 | hid3nax | Anyone? I don't believe no one is common with Multicast :( |
| 10:31.37 | Muhammad | a-s, try to follow the procedure in this url http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/#automate |
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| 10:31.59 | KnuckOne | f00bar80: ping google.com |
| 10:32.13 | nautil | hi all i want to let another user to restart tomcat on a server |
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| 10:32.18 | a-s | hm... let us see what happens ... |
| 10:32.50 | babilen | nautil: man sudo |
| 10:33.15 | f00bar80 | KnuckOne, ping not found |
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| 10:34.04 | KnuckOne | f00bar80: "whereis ping" (nah seriously, ping _has_ to be here) |
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| 10:35.01 | f00bar80 | i'm using sh |
| 10:35.20 | babilen | f00bar80: /bin/ping maybe? |
| 10:35.40 | a-s | Muhammad: what means |
| 10:35.40 | a-s | ;TargetVendor= 0x0af0 |
| 10:35.40 | a-s | ;TargetProduct= 0x6600 |
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| 10:35.49 | f00bar80 | babilen, no |
| 10:35.53 | a-s | Who establish the values of the target? |
| 10:36.24 | f00bar80 | babilen, i'm running the shell of netinstall and i can't get any mirror reachable |
| 10:36.28 | Muhammad | a-s those lines will be used by your kernel to identify the adapter as serial modem instead of usb mass storage |
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| 10:37.09 | a-s | i see. and what phisical driver should I install for the modem to be recognized? |
| 10:37.11 | liable | f00bar80: are you in a busybox shell or something? |
| 10:37.14 | Muhammad | so what actually usb_modeswitch does , is converting the bus's id to be understood by your kernel |
| 10:37.17 | a-s | usbserial is enough? |
| 10:37.18 | liable | ah right |
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| 10:37.44 | Muhammad | a-s, you don't need to install any drivers , usb_modeswitch will do all the tricky parts |
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| 10:38.06 | liable | f00bar80: there is 'ip' in the installer so you can check your ip and route, also wget for a quick check if net is working |
| 10:38.33 | a-s | the kernel accesses my modem via usbserial? or via what driver? |
| 10:38.58 | Muhammad | a-s your kernel will access the adapter via it's serial modem bus id |
| 10:39.30 | Muhammad | so you do not need any external drivers , just the tool and the right id's inside the config file |
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| 10:40.14 | a-s | ok, and the right ids (i.e.) targetvendor and targetproduct, where could I know from? |
| 10:40.36 | a-s | When I bought the modem, they did give me no documentation about |
| 10:40.49 | f00bar80 | liable, wget: bad address yahoo.com |
| 10:41.28 | Muhammad | lol , you have to identify ur chip , then look inside the file for similar vendors to know the right ids , and you said you could not found Qualcomm there , so i don't know really if it's supported or not |
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| 10:42.48 | a-s | Muhammad: in documentation of my modem is written just so : " EVDO technology based on Qualcomm MSM6800 chipset" |
| 10:43.17 | a-s | Muhammad: could you verify to you , please and tell me the correct ids? |
| 10:43.24 | Spixx | quicky: doing a LDAP+nss+krb5 thing, and I want to not enter my ldap password via my pam_ldap.conf? is this possible. Tried the "pam_ldap.secret" but it wont work? |
| 10:43.46 | nsadmin | a-s: pci modem? |
| 10:43.51 | Muhammad | a-s, you know hardware issues is quite difficult to track , as i was having another type which was zte 626 chip |
| 10:43.58 | f00bar80 | liable, any comment ? |
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| 10:44.54 | a-s | USB MODEM |
| 10:44.58 | rjd_ | All logs in /var/log are 0 in size except auth.log. Im positive I didnt do any changes to syslog (yes, etch). syslog is running. Any tips? |
| 10:45.17 | a-s | this is the modem: http://www.zapp.ro/en/business/terminals/modems/cdma/z025a/ |
| 10:45.19 | nsadmin | a-s: then lsusb and see if it's there |
| 10:45.26 | WoooDy | hi guys. is it possible to have something like "custom post-install" hook for specific distribution package? i need to recompile eaccelerator after unattended upgrade of php. |
| 10:45.32 | a-s | nsadmin: you did not understand |
| 10:45.58 | a-s | lsusb reports |
| 10:45.58 | a-s | Bus 002 Device 006: ID 05c6:1000 Qualcomm, Inc. |
| 10:46.11 | a-s | and instead of this, it should report "option" |
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| 10:46.23 | nsadmin | you're going to buy it maybe? or you have it already? if latter, is it connected or no? (ok, so connected, and you have it) |
| 10:46.42 | nsadmin | judd pciid 05c6:1000 |
| 10:46.44 | judd | nsadmin: [05c6:1000] is 'Unknown device' from 'Unknown vendor' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=05c6:1000 |
| 10:47.01 | nsadmin | ok, it was worth a shot... |
| 10:48.28 | babilen | f00bar80: wget http://www.yahoo.com |
| 10:48.41 | f00bar80 | babilen, yes that's what i tried |
| 10:49.26 | babilen | f00bar80: Do you have any nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf ? Could you also paste the output of 'ip route' ? |
| 10:50.13 | liable | f00bar80: is it wireless or ethernet? |
| 10:50.30 | nautil | what is the best way to set quota for an user home? |
| 10:50.51 | babilen | f00bar80: ... and how did you configure your network connection? DHCP? static IP? ... |
| 10:51.12 | f00bar80 | babilen, dhcp |
| 10:51.21 | f00bar80 | liable, ethernet |
| 10:52.08 | liable | f00bar80: and the installer didnt time out getting the lease? |
| 10:52.08 | nsadmin | how would I go about connecting my moto razr usb to the computer to see its files? |
| 10:52.15 | babilen | nautil: Have a look at the 'quota' package and it's documentation |
| 10:52.16 | f00bar80 | babilen, i put the nameserver as my router's ip in resolv.conf, how to clear it |
| 10:52.18 | liable | run dhclient eth0 in vt2 |
| 10:52.36 | f00bar80 | liable, vt2 ? |
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| 10:52.44 | babilen | f00bar80: alt+f2 |
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| 10:54.31 | nsadmin | so I connect the phone, and lsusb shows this: Bus 002 Device 007: ID 22b8:2ac4 Motorola PCS |
| 10:55.55 | f00bar80 | liable, i did run dhclient eth0 got, DHCPREQUEST on eth0 255.255.255.0 port 67 DHCPACK from 192.168.1.254 bound to 192.168.1.66 renewal in 36247 seconds |
| 10:56.15 | liable | ok, good |
| 10:56.16 | babilen | nsadmin: "dmesg | tail -n 20 | pastebinit" please :-) |
| 10:56.35 | f00bar80 | then i tried wget http://yahoo.com, always got wget: bad address 'yahoo.com' |
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| 10:58.46 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.ca/1696135 |
| 10:58.58 | nsadmin | btw, mine's called stdin-pastebin |
| 10:59.38 | nsadmin | brb |
| 10:59.49 | Cromag | i just tried dmesg | tail -n 20 | pastebinit - mostly because i found it smart, just gives me "Error no arguments specified!" |
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| 11:00.06 | f00bar80 | any comment ?, i tried to choose a mirror, i got Bad archive mirror, this for more than a mirror |
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| 11:00.41 | liable | f00bar80: obviously other boxes on that network arent having that problem? |
| 11:01.15 | nsadmin | Cromag: right, my pastebinit doesn't work either, so I kept the script from before it was packaged |
| 11:01.23 | Cromag | nsadmin: ah |
| 11:01.29 | nsadmin | and renamed it |
| 11:01.33 | f00bar80 | liable, yes other boxes are correctly connected to internet, but on this one i'm using the deian netinstall image |
| 11:02.00 | jelly | f00bar80: likely your dns resolution isn't set up properly |
| 11:02.17 | jelly | f00bar80: grep -v ^# /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 11:02.18 | liable | its done by dhclient, should be fine |
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| 11:03.06 | babilen | nsadmin: http://moto4lin.sourceforge.net/wiki/Razr_V3-HELP maybe? |
| 11:03.23 | nsadmin | moto4lin, that was it |
| 11:03.28 | jelly | liable: I thought it's not supposed to do that by itself, but use resolvconf when installed |
| 11:03.41 | nsadmin | which I don't have atm |
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| 11:03.55 | liable | jelly: its inside the installer |
| 11:03.56 | f00bar80 | liable, bin/ip route returns: 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 src 192.168.1.66 default via 192.168.1.254 dev eth0 |
| 11:03.58 | liable | he is |
| 11:04.22 | iKriz | anyone know of a tool to restore permissons in debian ? |
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| 11:04.41 | jelly | liable: a manual run of dhclient still might not do what is expected |
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| 11:05.22 | jelly | I'd guess and add "nameserver 192.168.1.254" on top of any other /etc/resolv.conf lines |
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| 11:06.03 | ComradeHaz | uh |
| 11:06.15 | ComradeHaz | you really shouldn't mess with resov.conf ideally |
| 11:06.17 | f00bar80 | jelly, grep -v ^# /etc/resolv.conf returns search lan nameserver 192.168.1.254 <- this is my router's IP |
| 11:06.59 | jelly | f00bar80: that looks sensible if those are two separate lines (first line "search lan" only) |
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| 11:07.10 | f00bar80 | jelly, yes |
| 11:07.33 | puff | Hm, I'd like to use dpkg --get-selections to generate a list that I can pump into aptitude --download-only. |
| 11:07.41 | ComradeHaz | uh, f00bar80, isn't 'resolvconf' going to help you out? |
| 11:07.42 | sluxor | Love me or hate me but I've made a proper Remote install guide. The one on the debian wiki was missing the locales line inside the preseed configuration and didn't mention the possibility of creating the boot files on the remote system itself after using debootstrap... Check it out: http://debian.expatjob.net/ |
| 11:07.54 | ComradeHaz | just picking up part of what you're saying |
| 11:07.57 | sluxor | Ingridients: Brains, SSH connection with root access |
| 11:07.57 | jelly | ComradeHaz: he's in the installer. |
| 11:08.07 | ComradeHaz | ahh, sorry |
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| 11:08.12 | puff | Is there an option I can just pump the output from --get-selections into, or should I just massage the --get-selections output into one huge aptitude command line? |
| 11:08.13 | ComradeHaz | not got the backlog :) |
| 11:08.17 | babilen | sluxor: Why not add to the wiki directly? |
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| 11:08.41 | sluxor | I didn't have time for sign ups, i was writing that html file as I was figuring out how to install it |
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| 11:08.46 | iKriz | how stupid is this command?? : chmod -R +rw /* |
| 11:08.50 | f00bar80 | jelly, should i change or remove this ns in resolv.conf? |
| 11:09.05 | jelly | f00bar80: it's all right. |
| 11:09.13 | babilen | iKriz: quite |
| 11:09.14 | sluxor | feel free to update the wiki for me, if not i'l look into doing it tomorrow |
| 11:09.17 | puff | Hm, dpkg --get-selections shows packages with status "deinstall". |
| 11:09.20 | f00bar80 | jelly, how as there's no vi ? |
| 11:09.39 | jelly | f00bar80: I mean, the contents are ok, no need to change anything |
| 11:10.04 | lsbrum | iKriz: Its change all folders to read-write permissions on all system. |
| 11:10.08 | iKriz | babilen: any proper method to fix it ? |
| 11:10.10 | f00bar80 | jelly, so what do you suggest ? |
| 11:10.12 | liable | f00bar80: wget 74.125.53.100/index.html |
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| 11:10.48 | lsbrum | someone could test my radio? |
| 11:11.02 | lsbrum | Debian + MPD + Icecast2 |
| 11:11.13 | f00bar80 | liable, not an http or fto url |
| 11:11.20 | iKriz | i think it got as far as /proc |
| 11:11.45 | liable | f00bar80: so stick a http:// infront of it.. |
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| 11:11.59 | f00bar80 | liable, i did and i got the file |
| 11:12.11 | babilen | iKriz: Just restore from your backup |
| 11:12.22 | iKriz | babilen: which backup ? ;) |
| 11:12.25 | liable | f00bar80: ok, so replace the ip with google.com |
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| 11:12.33 | lsbrum | [lucas@sistematico:~] wget 74.125.53.100/index.html |
| 11:12.33 | lsbrum | --2009-12-01 08:12:16-- http://74.125.53.100/index.html |
| 11:12.45 | KnuckOne | seriously busybox without ping is cheap... |
| 11:12.48 | lsbrum | Work without http here. |
| 11:12.52 | babilen | iKriz: sorry, out of luck then AFAIK |
| 11:13.04 | iKriz | get 7 set acl ? |
| 11:13.06 | lsbrum | iKriz: umask maybe. |
| 11:13.14 | jelly | lsbrum: it's a busybox environment, not a proper wget |
| 11:13.18 | KnuckOne | lsbrum: f00bar80 is using debian install's busybox wget |
| 11:13.20 | f00bar80 | liable, bad address google.com |
| 11:13.26 | lsbrum | jelly: Hum.. |
| 11:13.40 | liable | f00bar80: righto, so stick your isps nameserver in resolv.conf |
| 11:13.41 | lsbrum | What is BusyBox? |
| 11:13.42 | puff | Argh, okay, this sucks. |
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| 11:13.51 | babilen | f00bar80: Are other boxes on the same network able to connect? |
| 11:13.56 | puff | Part of why I am reinstalling is because I have broken dependency issues. |
| 11:14.01 | liable | f00bar80: remove your routers line from it |
| 11:14.07 | KnuckOne | !tell lsbrum about busybox |
| 11:14.12 | puff | Of course, that means I can't just mass-import dpkg --get-selections and install those. |
| 11:14.25 | puff | So... I guess the qustion is, how do I sort out this 800+ list of packages? |
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| 11:14.40 | f00bar80 | liable, routers line from ? |
| 11:14.43 | hid3nax | How do I setup a multicast router on debian? |
| 11:14.45 | jelly | puff: reinstalling which debian release? |
| 11:15.10 | puff | jelly: etch. |
| 11:15.18 | jelly | puff: if you didn't mix releases, there's usually no need to reinstall |
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| 11:15.33 | puff | jelly: Specifically, I had to move to new hardware, so I thought I might as well reinstall in the process. |
| 11:15.34 | liable | f00bar80: resolv.conf |
| 11:15.49 | f00bar80 | liable, how without vi ? |
| 11:15.54 | liable | nano |
| 11:16.10 | puff | jelly: The new box is etch, the old box is stable. |
| 11:16.23 | jelly | puff: why are you... downgrading to etch? |
| 11:16.39 | f00bar80 | liable, both search lan and nameserver ? |
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| 11:17.03 | liable | f00bar80: remove everything and add nameserver <your isp's dns server> |
| 11:17.30 | puff | jelly: Hm, I'm not sure, actually. The new box was set up by the folks providing the new hosting. |
| 11:18.00 | jelly | puff: current stable = lenny = 5.0, and oldstable = etch = 4.0 |
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| 11:18.04 | babilen | puff: why not reinstall lenny yourself then, if they screwed up? |
| 11:18.09 | puff | jelly: Then again, the people in question are quite reliability-minded. |
| 11:18.21 | puff | jelly: Because these are the people I call when I get stuck :-). |
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| 11:18.31 | puff | babilen: Because these are the people I call when I get stuck :-). |
| 11:18.35 | liable | wasnt etch 4.1? |
| 11:18.39 | liable | !releases |
| 11:18.41 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 11:18.49 | puff | This is the reason I chose debian to begin with, so long ago. |
| 11:18.50 | liable | !release history |
| 11:18.51 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 11:18.53 | f00bar80 | liable, how to save changes and exit |
| 11:19.14 | liable | f00bar80: o then x iirc. it says at the bootom |
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| 11:20.33 | babilen | puff: So you have a freshly installed lenny and the people installing it made mistakes? Why not reinstall it yourself, or contact them in order to have it fixed? |
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| 11:20.36 | tdn | I am trying to use libnss-pgsql, but when I set passwd: and group: to "compat [SUCCESS=continue] pgsql" in /etc/nsswitch.conf, I get errors on login: "Could not connect to database". However, I have tried manually connecting with the connection string in nss-pgsql.conf and verified that it works. |
| 11:21.19 | f00bar80 | liable, that worked thanks |
| 11:21.22 | babilen | tdn: as the user nss uses? |
| 11:21.26 | liable | cool |
| 11:21.52 | liable | f00bar80: your router must be doing something odd |
| 11:21.53 | babilen | f00bar80: \o/ .. you might want to check your router configuration |
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| 11:25.05 | puff | babilen: No, I have a freshly installed etch. |
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| 11:25.16 | puff | babilen: And an old "stable" release that ahsn't been dist-upgraded in quite a while. |
| 11:25.17 | liable | why did you just install etch? |
| 11:25.34 | puff | liable: You aren't paying attention, are you? :-). |
| 11:25.47 | liable | nope :P |
| 11:25.51 | babilen | puff: Why not use the 'stable' one and upgrade it? |
| 11:25.55 | puff | liable: From the top, I have an old "stable" install that hasn't been upgraded in quite a while. |
| 11:26.08 | puff | My hosting is e me to change to new hardware.changing, forcing |
| 11:26.31 | puff | Dang. |
| 11:26.38 | babilen | :-D |
| 11:26.49 | babilen | syntax, sentence no sense without |
| 11:26.54 | puff | My hosting is changing, forcing me to change to new hardware in the process. |
| 11:27.14 | babilen | as missing verb as well |
| 11:27.33 | puff | I have some dependency catch-22 problems on the old release, and in any event the hardware is different enough that I'm pretty sure a straight disk image is out of the question. |
| 11:27.50 | puff | The hosting folks set up a basic install on the new server as etch. |
| 11:27.52 | babilen | puff: alright ... but why install etch? |
| 11:28.04 | babilen | puff: just upgrade to lenny |
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| 11:28.40 | babilen | puff: and let them now that they are installing oldstable and might want to change to current stable |
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| 11:28.54 | puff | I'm not sure... either because the old stable was actually etch (e.g. it hasn't been dist-upgraded since stable == etch) or because they prefer oldtable for superreliability. |
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| 11:29.42 | puff | Anyway, right now, the problem I'm having is that I'm trying to figure out which packages to install. |
| 11:29.49 | babilen | !etch security |
| 11:29.49 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch. Security support for etch is expected through until about February 2010. http://www.debian.org/security/faq#lifespan |
| 11:29.56 | puff | dpkg --get-selections gives me a list of 800+ packages. |
| 11:29.56 | dpkg | puff: I give up, what is it? |
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| 11:30.15 | babilen | you will have to upgrade soon! |
| 11:30.20 | puff | Unfortunately, simply installing them all gets me dependency conflicts. UGh. |
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| 11:30.53 | puff | Ah, good point, if the security window is closing then I should just jump to Lenny. |
| 11:30.59 | Muhammad | lol |
| 11:31.10 | jelly | puff: what dependency conflicts? |
| 11:31.22 | babilen | the dpkg selection was obtained on squeeze? |
| 11:31.34 | tdn | babilen, no. |
| 11:31.43 | tdn | babilen, just as my regular user account. |
| 11:31.50 | tdn | babilen, what user does nss use? |
| 11:31.50 | jelly | puff: also, Linux handles hw changes very well |
| 11:32.16 | babilen | tdn: I don't know, but just because *you* can connect to the database does not mean that everybody else can. |
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| 11:32.51 | tdn | babilen, hmm... Ok. But it is the exact same connect string, and it dies not use ident. |
| 11:33.13 | jetscreamer | heh... yeah right |
| 11:33.27 | tdn | babilen, my pg_hba.conf is here: http://thomasdamgaard.dk/p/P1428.html |
| 11:33.39 | tdn | babilen, I connect directly to 127.0.0.1. |
| 11:33.42 | babilen | tdn: I am not familiar with nss, so I can't really help you with that. You might have to GRANT permission to the user nss tries to connect as. Read the docs and the README.Debian |
| 11:34.13 | JyZyXEL | how do you detect hardlinks? |
| 11:34.25 | tdn | babilen, I have already read the docs and readmes. They are really not very helpful :( |
| 11:34.49 | babilen | JyZyXEL: touch them, and if they are not all fluffy and soft it's a hard link ... |
| 11:34.54 | puff | http://debian.pastebin.com/d611baebb |
| 11:35.07 | JyZyXEL | touch is used to create a file |
| 11:35.22 | puff | jelly: http://debian.pastebin.com/d611baebb |
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| 11:35.51 | hid3nax | Could anyone please help me to set up a multicast router on debian? I've just installed `smcroute' but don't know what to do next... |
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| 11:37.24 | babilen | JyZyXEL: It was a joke :-) ... you can use find for that. Something like 'find / -xdev -samefile' or 'find / -type f -links +1' |
| 11:37.45 | babilen | JyZyXEL: But have a look at the docs/manpage for find ... |
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| 11:40.39 | puff | I think I'll get some sleep and mull thi sover. |
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| 11:41.04 | babilen | JyZyXEL: ah, dang ... it's '-samefile /path/to/file' ... but the second one should work ... |
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| 11:41.25 | JyZyXEL | sounds so hard im not even gonna try |
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| 11:44.05 | paissad-hp | is it possible to add ad ubunntu repository for debian ? .... |
| 11:44.23 | paissad-hp | i want to add this repository https://launchpad.net/~shiki/+archive/mediainfo |
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| 11:44.58 | paissad-hp | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/shiki/mediainfo/ubuntu karmic main |
| 11:44.58 | paissad-hp | deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/shiki/mediainfo/ubuntu karmic main |
| 11:45.38 | nkuttler | paissad-hp: it's certainly not recommended |
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| 11:45.51 | nkuttler | paissad-hp: the src line should be ok though to build your own package |
| 11:46.22 | paissad-hp | nkuttler, throught ./configure, make && make install ? |
| 11:46.29 | paissad-hp | that's what you mean ? |
| 11:46.52 | nkuttler | !tell paissad-hp about ssbp |
| 11:47.05 | nkuttler | paissad-hp: you might have to install the build-deps manually, no idea |
| 11:49.21 | babilen | JyZyXEL: ok ... but you should have a look and play with it. |
| 11:49.59 | babilen | JyZyXEL: The second one should work out of the box ... try: 'find / -type f -links +1 -ls' |
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| 11:50.26 | JyZyXEL | why can't ls show me that some files are hard links |
| 11:50.45 | babilen | JyZyXEL: it does 'ls -l' at least |
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| 11:51.33 | JyZyXEL | not it doesn't? |
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| 11:54.20 | beli | hi there....if i messed up a config-file of package foobar, how can i get the original one back? |
| 11:54.39 | nkuttler | beli: purge, reinstall |
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| 11:54.58 | beli | nkuttler: well ok, but then it will deinstall all the deps too....thats not what i want |
| 11:55.08 | nkuttler | !tell beli about confmiss |
| 11:55.13 | beli | thanks |
| 11:55.17 | bleah | restart |
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| 11:55.52 | BleSS | by default, when you're looking a video it's downloaded to /tmp, is possible that been downloaded to another dir.? since that I want to change /tmp to shm |
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| 11:57.19 | petemc | looking alk;fglks |
| 11:57.25 | petemc | ignore that |
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| 11:59.20 | babilen | JyZyXEL: It is the column after the permissions. It lists the number of links to a file ... |
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| 12:00.51 | paissad-hp | nkuttler, so i just add this line to my sources.list, i update apt-get deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/shiki/mediainfo/ubuntu karmic main |
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| 12:02.37 | bleah | re |
| 12:03.26 | babilen | JyZyXEL: just link (with 'ln') a file to another and have a look at their inodes (with 'ls -li') you can verify that they are the same |
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| 12:13.30 | nsadmin | so I'm trying to work with my phone... it's a moto razr, I have moto4lin, I made progress... it's now connecting as a P2K |
| 12:14.26 | nsadmin | but still not getting the file list &etc from the phone |
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| 12:14.56 | hoo-hah | hi all. is there something like top (or better, htop) for network connections? |
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| 12:15.09 | mquin | hoo-hah: iftop |
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| 12:15.35 | neure | anyone know what /etc/udev/rules.d/51-android.rules should look like for debian? |
| 12:15.38 | hoo-hah | that doesn't set the device to promiscuous mode, does it? |
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| 12:16.02 | neure | when i've added something is such file, what do i need to activate the usb device? |
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| 12:18.02 | hoo-hah | neure: restart udev? |
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| 12:18.47 | ootput | neure: where did you get the ruleset from? |
| 12:19.35 | ootput | nomenclature differs between ubuntu releases. You'd need to use that version which debian uses (check package version numbers from either distro) |
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| 12:19.49 | neure | ootput, http://developer.android.com/guide/developing/device.html#setting-up |
| 12:20.22 | neure | how do i restart udev?) |
| 12:21.07 | mquin | hoo-hah: it doesn't appear to |
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| 12:21.19 | neure | i have no idea about how to use usb devices in linux, i'm just following the instructions there, too bad they are for ubuntu |
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| 12:21.40 | neure | i now put SUBSYSTEM=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666" in there |
| 12:21.59 | hoo-hah | they shouldn't differ from debian, only that ubuntu generally has newer packages offering newer versions of apps |
| 12:22.14 | hoo-hah | and hence different config options, such as those supported by SUBSYSTEM=="" |
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| 12:22.41 | neure | well.. just tell me what i need to do to activate the new rule |
| 12:22.45 | neure | restart udev? |
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| 12:24.28 | hoo-hah | yes |
| 12:24.37 | hoo-hah | there's an initscript for it |
| 12:24.51 | hoo-hah | make sure the ruleset is syntatically correct |
| 12:24.55 | neure | ok just tell me how to call it ;) |
| 12:25.02 | neure | how the hell i can find out that?) |
| 12:25.10 | neure | i'm just going to try the first version |
| 12:25.47 | hoo-hah | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:26.15 | neure | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.28 | neure | didnt seem to work :/ |
| 12:26.36 | neure | does udev or something produce some kind of log? |
| 12:26.41 | neure | about the usb devices |
| 12:27.04 | papul | hi. my xorg doesnt start up |
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| 12:27.37 | papul | i can startx |
| 12:27.40 | papul | i cant startx |
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| 12:27.51 | EagleScreen | papul: Debian version? grpahics card model? |
| 12:28.11 | papul | EagleScreen, lenny and gpu integrated intel |
| 12:28.21 | papul | i dunno the exact model |
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| 12:28.42 | xreal | How can I kill all my screen-sessions at once? |
| 12:28.53 | EagleScreen | papul: be sure you have got xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed plus xsever-xorg plus xserver-xorg-core |
| 12:29.08 | EagleScreen | i will be back in ten minutes |
| 12:29.17 | papul | i did aptitude install xorh |
| 12:29.21 | papul | i did aptitude install xorg |
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| 12:31.01 | papul | some1 please help |
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| 12:31.50 | papul | some1 please help |
| 12:32.44 | nkuttler | !tell papul about repeat |
| 12:32.46 | nkuttler | !tell papul about install x |
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| 12:33.06 | nkuttler | !tell papul about errors |
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| 12:37.50 | hoo-hah | neure: perhaps now you should do it the _right way_ and use something like lsusb to determine what actually goes where in the ruleset |
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| 12:38.32 | neure | well it would be great if i knew anything about usb in linux :D |
| 12:38.48 | hoo-hah | the internet is vast |
| 12:38.51 | hoo-hah | :P |
| 12:38.54 | neure | lsusb says Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0bb4:0c02 High Tech Computer Corp. |
| 12:39.01 | hoo-hah | lsusb -v |
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| 12:39.14 | Zmanu | hello |
| 12:39.15 | hoo-hah | also, regarding logging, that depends on conf options, and syslog options |
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| 12:39.41 | Zmanu | i use debian sid, and i want to use kernel 2.6.31 and i want to know if there's some problems with it ? |
| 12:40.26 | papul | some1 please help |
| 12:40.30 | papul | i cant startx |
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| 12:41.39 | neure | hoo-hah, http://www.pastie.org/721653 |
| 12:41.48 | neure | i dont know what to do with all that info |
| 12:41.57 | hoo-hah | Zmanu: no. I'm using zen-kernel patches on 2.6.31stable. No problems here |
| 12:42.15 | Zmanu | hoo-hah: thanks for answer |
| 12:42.29 | hoo-hah | this is on Squeeze, even |
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| 12:43.25 | EagleScreen | papul: install these packages: xserver-xorg, xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 12:43.37 | redguy | Hi, I want to configure an ethernet bridge with MTU set to 9000. ifupping the bridge ends with "SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument; Failed to bring up br1." If I set MTU of the bridge member interfaces manually with ifconfig everything works as expected. How can I set the MTU of the bridge member interfaces automatically? |
| 12:43.42 | papul | EagleScreen, i installed xorg |
| 12:43.54 | papul | doesnt it install everything? |
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| 12:44.03 | neure | hoo-hah, so i wonder.. is my 51-android.rules with SUBSYSTEM=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666" any good? |
| 12:44.09 | neure | and why it doesnt work.. |
| 12:44.29 | EagleScreen | papul: xorg metapackage not install always all necesary stuff |
| 12:45.09 | ootput | neure: don't you need to specify a device node for that? |
| 12:45.19 | papul | EagleScreen, my x started once and i started fluxbox. i tried to change the theme and since it has gone bad |
| 12:45.34 | hoo-hah | yeah, you're missing NAME="%k", SYMLINK="device_name" |
| 12:45.48 | EagleScreen | papul: run as root this command, and please run it anyway to be sure: aptitude install xsever-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 12:46.11 | papul | ok |
| 12:46.43 | hoo-hah | neure: you following that android guide? Did you specify correct vendor id? |
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| 12:49.13 | hoo-hah | neure: try SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR{idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666" |
| 12:49.31 | hoo-hah | and set it as 90-...rules |
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| 12:52.39 | mrfree | hi all |
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| 12:58.12 | neure | timo@debian:/etc/udev/rules.d$ cat 90-android.rules |
| 12:58.12 | neure | SUBSYSTEM=="usb", ATTR(idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666" |
| 12:58.16 | neure | well |
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| 12:58.20 | neure | it still doesn't seem to work |
| 12:58.26 | sanderj | Anyone know what the "access" call in nfs is? |
| 12:58.47 | neure | what about those NAME="%k", SYMLINK="device_name" ? |
| 12:59.03 | sanderj | I saw a 10 doubling of access calls in a period of 4 hours. |
| 12:59.04 | neure | how do i set device_name? |
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| 12:59.33 | ootput | neure: you'll need to do the hard yards |
| 12:59.40 | ootput | read a few manpages or utilise google |
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| 13:01.57 | hoo-hah | neure: that ruleset looks incomplete |
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| 13:02.27 | hoo-hah | google for ipod + udev, for instance, and you'll see the appropriate procedure to get your device recognised |
| 13:04.16 | neure | i found this http://ioerror.livejournal.com/495454.html |
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| 13:07.45 | neure | well |
| 13:07.53 | neure | looks like udev rule is not really needed |
| 13:08.00 | neure | it just gives permissions to users, right? |
| 13:08.17 | hoo-hah | read it again |
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| 13:08.22 | rgr | I want to build a gnome applet that the ./configure script says needs a newer version of the glib development headers. Using stable now, is this possible without compromising my system? |
| 13:08.29 | hoo-hah | neure: 'NAME' |
| 13:08.45 | rgr | (not a server so not the end of the world if some extra testing stuff pulled in) |
| 13:09.12 | hoo-hah | neure: think about it. applications need to access the device node. the ruleset you were using previously does not create a device node |
| 13:09.48 | ootput | neure: man udev |
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| 13:10.04 | neure | ootput, according to that page, udev rule is not needed |
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| 13:10.53 | neure | hmm |
| 13:11.00 | neure | but how about that device node |
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| 13:12.02 | HTT-Bird | :( now mirrors.kernel.org is showing up as untrusted |
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| 13:13.32 | JyZyXEL | gateway sshd[2716]: Authentication refused: bad ownership or modes for directory /root |
| 13:13.32 | HTT-Bird | trying the US primary one more time :( |
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| 13:13.50 | HTT-Bird | and, yay, it works |
| 13:14.04 | neure | ah |
| 13:14.08 | neure | i finally got it |
| 13:14.13 | neure | http://ventrix24.blogspot.com/2009/03/android-g1-debugging-on-debian-with-adb.html |
| 13:14.16 | neure | this one worked |
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| 13:14.54 | ootput | god awful page |
| 13:15.10 | ootput | blue on black does not like my eyes |
| 13:15.48 | ootput | .gone |
| 13:15.50 | sanderj | Anyone know what calls like: getattr setattr lookup access readlink in nfs means? |
| 13:16.16 | yakimo | ok set up samda share, have folders shared but when i go to work group i see the server but it will not allow access at all, any possible reasons for this happening, i also have webmin installed |
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| 13:20.27 | Dumbix | hi all |
| 13:21.17 | Dumbix | I am uing squid as a proxy server.. the problem that I have is that when I load an http web page it took a big amounts of time.. |
| 13:21.21 | Dumbix | can someone help me |
| 13:21.23 | Dumbix | ? |
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| 13:23.41 | sanderj | There is problem with too long latency when accessing files.. when my nfsstats shows 3000 access calls each seconds... up from 300.. |
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| 13:24.05 | Dumbix | I was warned about disk drive number.. indeed I am using a rack server ? maybe it's the problem ? |
| 13:25.04 | redguy | Hi, I want to configure an ethernet bridge with MTU set to 9000. ifupping the bridge ends with "SIOCSIFMTU: Invalid argument; Failed to bring up br1." If I set MTU of the bridge member interfaces manually with ifconfig everything works as expected. How can I set the MTU of the bridge member interfaces automatically? |
| 13:25.56 | hoo-hah | redguy: you can set mtu size in interfaces |
| 13:26.10 | hoo-hah | I'm assuming that's what you did? |
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| 13:26.27 | hoo-hah | check other options are valid |
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| 13:28.12 | jelly | redguy: a stupid workaround would be to set mtu on member ifaces manually with pre-up lines; you probably should check the bts if the bug is already reported for bridge-utils or ifupdown, and report it if it isn't |
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| 13:31.47 | jelly | dpkg: bts 292088 |
| 13:31.47 | dpkg | jelly: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 13:31.52 | jelly | dpkg: bug 292088 |
| 13:31.52 | dpkg | jelly: I give up, what is it? |
| 13:31.57 | jelly | rats. |
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| 13:32.46 | jelly | judd: bug 292088 |
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| 13:33.48 | jelly | redguy: http://bugs.debian.org/292088 looks vaguely relevant |
| 13:34.29 | KnuckOne | !dbugs 292088 |
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| 13:34.33 | dpkg | #292088:W[bridge-utils] bridge-utils: further documentation of MTU issues wanted (); Tue, 25 Jan 2005 01:48:02 UTC [] |
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| 13:36.15 | redguy | jelly: using pre-up is what I thought at first. |
| 13:36.54 | SmokeyD | hey everyone. Somehow my machine doesn't get a reply from the dhcp server when I bring my network up. |
| 13:37.11 | SmokeyD | When I setup a static ip address for eth0, I can ping the dhcp server (and other machines) fine |
| 13:37.23 | SmokeyD | but when I set it to dhcp, I don't get a reply |
| 13:37.41 | jelly | SmokeyD: do other machines' dhcp clients work fine? |
| 13:38.01 | tomodachi | SmokeyD: try tunning dhclient ethX , where X is the interface name, to get some verbosity |
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| 13:38.14 | SmokeyD | and even weirder: if I leave eth0 down, then add a route to the local subnet for eth0, then say ifconfig eth0 up and then use "dhcpclien3 -s<ip.of.dhcp.server>" I do get an ip address |
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| 13:38.27 | SmokeyD | jelly: yes they do |
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| 13:38.48 | SmokeyD | and tomodachi there just isn't a reply to the DHCPREQUEST to 255.255.255.255 |
| 13:39.11 | jelly | as seen with tcpdump? |
| 13:39.18 | SmokeyD | but when I specify which dhcp server to reach by hand using dhclient3 eth0 -s .... then I do get an ip |
| 13:39.59 | SmokeyD | jelly: I'll check with tcpdump |
| 13:40.01 | SmokeyD | good idea |
| 13:40.06 | SmokeyD | see if I get a reply or not |
| 13:40.15 | petemc | SmokeyD: do you have access to the dhcp server? if so you should see the requests in the logs |
| 13:40.17 | jelly | SmokeyD: you'll have to get the link up on an otherwise unconfigured iface for tcpdump to work |
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| 13:40.25 | SmokeyD | petemc: I don't but the sysadmin does |
| 13:40.34 | jelly | a mere "ifconfig eth0 up" should do |
| 13:40.45 | rvsjoen | does the dhcp server live one the same subnet ? |
| 13:40.56 | SmokeyD | rvsjoen: yes |
| 13:41.00 | jelly | rvsjoen: um... it has to, doesn't it? |
| 13:41.33 | rvsjoen | jelly: not if routers are configured as dhcp relays |
| 13:41.53 | rvsjoen | jelly: i'm not sure if relays can be configured to only accept unicast |
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| 13:44.46 | SmokeyD | hmm, just leacing the machine alone for a while seems to have worked :) |
| 13:45.04 | SmokeyD | elaving |
| 13:45.13 | SmokeyD | argh, i can't type: I mean leaving |
| 13:45.35 | SmokeyD | I got an ip, just rebooting now to see if it sticks |
| 13:45.37 | nsadmin | moto4lin is a specialized app for talking to a motorola razor phone; it's packaged in debian and I'm making progress... I get up to the last step (hit connect button) and it generates some errors pretty slowly -- moto4lin does file transfers between the phone and the machine it's connected to, and I can't get it to see the files |
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| 13:45.56 | rvsjoen | 'some errors' ? |
| 13:46.20 | nsadmin | it's specialized enough so that it would be really useful to have someone who's using it |
| 13:46.29 | rvsjoen | ok |
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| 13:47.22 | SteveC | I've just set up a Base Debian machine on Amazon EC2 and it doesn't even appear to have any package sources. To get a LAMP machine going, what sources should I be using, and for that matter, how do I config it!? |
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| 13:48.43 | SmokeyD | kippy, everything works now! |
| 13:48.47 | petemc | SmokeyD: i havent used ec2, but probably the install guide instructions for configuring a machine after using debootstrap would help |
| 13:48.49 | jelly | !tell SteveC -about sources.list |
| 13:48.51 | petemc | SteveC: ^^^^ |
| 13:48.58 | petemc | damnit |
| 13:49.04 | SmokeyD | I geuess the dhcp server got the heebiejeebies |
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| 13:49.26 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.ca/1696333 |
| 13:49.35 | SmokeyD | thanks for the input everyone |
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| 13:49.42 | nsadmin | that's the error log |
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| 13:50.26 | jelly | !damnit |
| 13:50.26 | dpkg | It's spelled dammit, DAMMIT. |
| 13:50.28 | nsadmin | heebiejeebies... hmm, where does that term come from... |
| 13:50.38 | rvsjoen | is there any way to make that thing spit out more info ? like debug messages in addition to info and error ? |
| 13:50.46 | nsadmin | dammit jam! |
| 13:50.49 | nsadmin | err jelly |
| 13:51.13 | jelly | jim* |
| 13:51.27 | Stereo | nsadmin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heebie-jeebies_(idiom) |
| 13:51.29 | jelly | nsadmin: you're an admin, not a medicine practitioner? |
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| 13:51.57 | rvsjoen | nsadmin: this might provide some insight == |
| 13:52.19 | rvsjoen | http://moto4lin.sourceforge.net/wiki/Razr_V3-HELP#Success..._but_a_question |
| 13:52.40 | SteveC | petemc: Cheers |
| 13:52.59 | SmokeyD | nsadmin: I like the word :) I know it from Madagascar (the movie) |
| 13:53.00 | SmokeyD | :) |
| 13:53.15 | rvsjoen | heh, irssi actually asks me if I really want to paste 13 lines when I paste by mistake, with the chance to abort, didn't know that, very convenient |
| 13:53.34 | nsadmin | rvsjoen: thanks... read that :) |
| 13:53.48 | nsadmin | shoulda told ya |
| 13:54.09 | nsadmin | I wouldn't have gotten as far as I did otherwise |
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| 13:54.31 | rvsjoen | ok, is your phone a supported model ? |
| 13:54.40 | nsadmin | but as long as you're looking :) do you see anything specific needed in the kernel? for example... |
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| 13:55.30 | rvsjoen | you probably need the USB modem support |
| 13:55.44 | rvsjoen | the module is cdc_acm I think |
| 13:55.47 | nsadmin | I can't get /dev/ttyACM0 to work... and there's also no /dev/usb/acm/0 |
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| 13:56.05 | nsadmin | oh cool... I should have that |
| 13:56.41 | giskard | SteveC: what are you doing? |
| 13:56.44 | aljosa | can anybody recommend a good, in depth, resource for snmp, system monitoring, etc.? maybe a book? |
| 13:57.11 | rvsjoen | try 'grep USB_ACM /boot/config-`uname -r`' |
| 13:57.26 | nsadmin | definitely do have it, definitely was not inserted |
| 13:57.27 | SteveC | giskard: was that really aimed at me? Setting up Magento on Debian Squeeze in Amazon EC2 |
| 13:57.42 | nsadmin | how would I find acm device nodes? |
| 13:57.52 | SteveC | That or wasting my life away in an office at the end of my garden. Hard to figure out which is more relevant. |
| 13:58.04 | giskard | SteveC: yes. i mean what is your problem? :) |
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| 13:58.52 | SteveC | giskard: just starting with a base install of debian so I needed to figure out why the package list was empty. Two reasons, major one was probably that I didn't update, secondary was that it was pointing at the US repos, not the UK which is a nicety. |
| 13:59.00 | rvsjoen | aljosa: SNMP is pretty simple and I do not believe it would warrant a whole book.. the external links section of the SNMP wiki page is a good place to start |
| 13:59.17 | serek | how to install at once all autoconf-related packages, i mean automake, etc, etc? |
| 13:59.26 | Justin_ | snmp is anything but simple |
| 13:59.26 | SteveC | Now my problem ist hat although I have perms set up right it doesn't seem to like them - I assume it's a perms thing. |
| 13:59.36 | Titan8990 | rvsjoen, well, its gotten damn close to whole books |
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| 13:59.53 | giskard | SteveC: ami made by you or someone else? anyway yes, update it and you should use the mirror near you, it depends on the ava zone of you ec2 instance.. |
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| 14:00.07 | Titan8990 | rvsjoen, and just because it include "simple" in the name, doesn't mean that its really that simple.... SMTP is an example |
| 14:00.25 | SteveC | giskard: using the pre-made one for squeeze. My EC2 is in west eu (dublin) |
| 14:00.36 | serek | smtp is pretty simple |
| 14:00.38 | wols | Titan8990: SMTP _is_ simply. that's why it's so crappy :) |
| 14:01.24 | Teaboy`work | smtp is simple, but sendmail isn't |
| 14:01.51 | Titan8990 | wols, read you could read a stack of books on how to configure your SMTP server |
| 14:02.09 | jelly | Teaboy`work: or postfix or exim or qmail or ... |
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| 14:02.28 | Titan8990 | !start a mta war |
| 14:02.28 | dpkg | exim has shitty documentation! |
| 14:02.33 | giskard | SteveC: so ok for the uk one. |
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| 14:03.52 | jelly | or ie one? |
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| 14:04.19 | petemc | aye, the dubs wouldnt like being told they're in the uk |
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| 14:04.52 | jelly | heanet has pretty good connectivity |
| 14:04.52 | themill | nothing like dredging up old rivalries.... |
| 14:04.57 | d1b | !postfix |
| 14:04.57 | dpkg | Postfix is a <MTA> originally created as an alternative to <sendmail>. It aims to be fast, secure, easy to administer and (relatively) sendmail compatible. Kyle Dent's Postfix FAQ: http://www.seaglass.com/postfix/faq.html . http://wiki.debian.org/Postfix http://www.postfix.org/ #postfix on irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:05.16 | petemc | themill: try living in northern ireland! |
| 14:05.21 | themill | heh |
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| 14:08.04 | aljosa | rvsjoen: i've mentioned snmp as a starting point, i'm looking for a book that covers debian system monitoring and maintenance in-depth an can't find anything published after 2004. |
| 14:08.31 | d1b | aljosa: perhaps you want to see the linux documentation site... |
| 14:08.32 | goldins | how do I pass alternate ./configure options when building something with debuild? |
| 14:09.00 | d1b | http://tldp.org/ :) (kind of old...) |
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| 14:09.20 | d1b | aljosa: but you are probably more after nagios and logging. |
| 14:09.27 | Titan8990 | aljosa, a lot of that old stuff is still applicable, especially when it comes to tcp/ip protocols |
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| 14:09.51 | Titan8990 | aljosa, much of that stuff hasen't changed at all in 15+ years, the applications that use the protocols have however |
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| 14:13.05 | KnuckOne | goldins: i guess that DEB_CONFIGURE_EXTRA_FLAGS in debian/rules is what you want |
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| 14:13.35 | goldins | KnuckOne: yeah I just found that, thanks |
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| 14:17.27 | SteveC | What kernel should I be running on squeeze? It's complaining about a general upgrade because I don't have 2.6.22? |
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| 14:18.38 | d1b | SteveC: newer than that.... |
| 14:18.47 | d1b | judd: versions linux-image |
| 14:18.48 | judd | d1b: linux-image -- |
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| 14:18.54 | d1b | judd: versions linux |
| 14:18.56 | judd | d1b: linux -- |
| 14:19.03 | KnuckOne | judd: versions linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 14:19.04 | judd | KnuckOne: linux-image-2.6-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 sid: 2.6.31+22 |
| 14:19.38 | rvsjoen | dpkg squeeze kernel |
| 14:19.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, squeeze kernel is likely to 2.6.32 and will not have kernel mode setting enabled by default. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00003.html and ask me about <KMS>. |
| 14:19.39 | d1b | 2.6.30 apparently. |
| 14:19.41 | SteveC | wonders why aptitude isn't upgrading him automagically? |
| 14:19.53 | d1b | rvsjoen: not needed. |
| 14:20.03 | Justin_ | SteveC: you dont have linux-image-2.6-686 installed |
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| 14:20.17 | d1b | SteveC: aptitude full-upgrade ? |
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| 14:20.56 | nsadmin | judd kernels |
| 14:20.57 | judd | nsadmin: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 14:22.35 | SteveC | d1b: that appears to have fixed it |
| 14:22.38 | SteveC | Thanks :) |
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| 14:23.28 | helo | anyone know what might cause my laptop to resume from suspend and go right back to suspend immediately? |
| 14:23.33 | helo | it only happens every other time |
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| 14:24.05 | Justin_ | helo: snooze button stuck? |
| 14:24.29 | helo | it worked fine before i upgraded... *wince* |
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| 14:28.03 | d1b | helo: orly ;) |
| 14:28.08 | d1b | so what did you upgrade too / from ? |
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| 14:28.38 | helo | ehh... i did a testing safe-upgrade |
| 14:28.51 | d1b | helo: perhaps you should finish the upgrade? |
| 14:29.01 | helo | testing was working perfectly on this hp mini previously with testing |
| 14:29.06 | helo | finish it? |
| 14:29.14 | d1b | helo: aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 14:30.15 | helo | i'm not aware of 'full-upgrade'... i usually just do a dist-upgrade when i move from stable to testing, and then do safe-upgrades from then on |
| 14:30.53 | macrobat | dist-upgrade was the old full-upgrade |
| 14:31.09 | macrobat | they do the same |
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| 14:36.09 | SteveC | d1b: an aptitude full-upgrade flags a problem with the kernel, should I manually add the .30 kernel to the update list? |
| 14:36.39 | d1b | SteveC: apt-get install it ... |
| 14:36.41 | SteveC | oh, it's udev that's a problem... |
| 14:36.44 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:36.52 | SteveC | and it just wants you to update the kernel before a reboot. |
| 14:36.56 | d1b | you might need the kernel first. |
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| 14:40.40 | SteveC | Right, think I've shagged it again, kernel was complaining about a lack of initrd and not being able to boot without.. |
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| 14:43.42 | SteveC | tries to reboot to see if it returns. |
| 14:44.10 | macrobat | see if you have an initrd first? :) |
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| 14:45.15 | SteveC | macrobat: if I knew what one was... I put do_initrd = Yes into kernel-img.conf |
| 14:46.30 | SteveC | OK, I'm completely confused now. Can someone offer a recommended install procedure for a Squeeze install that's staring with 2.6.21 kernel? |
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| 14:48.27 | SteveC | I don't have a /dev/initrd (only an initctl if that's related) to start with. |
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| 14:49.32 | SteveC | right, got one now. |
| 14:49.50 | Thaxll | 2.6.21 ? |
| 14:50.01 | Thaxll | You mean 2.6.31 |
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| 14:50.06 | SteveC | That's the kernel the image starts with, 2.6.21 |
| 14:51.03 | Raven737 | Hi... i just got a new Dell R710 Server an i am trying to install Debian on it but i am having some problems. For example i a see a scsi4 with 8.0GB and fat32 formatted.. where is that comming from? After i installed the system just hangs when it should boot (grub is not even showing!) |
| 14:51.25 | Justin_ | Raven737: dell utility partition |
| 14:51.33 | macrobat | SteveC: i missed something. why do you want an old kernel? |
| 14:51.47 | Thaxll | Same I don't understand |
| 14:51.58 | Thaxll | I'm sure he's speaking about 2.6.31 |
| 14:52.01 | SteveC | I don't, but I'm struggling to upgrade everything to a new one. |
| 14:52.20 | Titan8990 | SteveC, .21 would be older than the default .26 |
| 14:52.24 | SteveC | I've got a base install that's got 2.6.21 which is causing problems with everything else. |
| 14:52.25 | Titan8990 | for lenny |
| 14:52.26 | Raven737 | Justin_: ahh, thank you. Could it be that this is causing problems, i.e. grub installed to that instead of the main raid? |
| 14:52.38 | Justin_ | Raven737: i dunno, I always delete that partition |
| 14:52.39 | Titan8990 | SteveC, you have installed unstable, welcome to sid |
| 14:52.42 | SteveC | Titan8990: this is Squeeze, should I be using lenny or squeeze for production? |
| 14:52.47 | SteveC | oh, bugger :) |
| 14:52.52 | SteveC | right, start again with lenny? |
| 14:52.56 | Raven737 | Justin_: lol :) |
| 14:52.57 | Titan8990 | judd, versions linux-image-686 |
| 14:52.57 | judd | Titan8990: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 sid: 2.6.31+22 |
| 14:53.14 | Titan8990 | SteveC, yep, .31 is sid.... ALWAYS lenny in production |
| 14:53.43 | SteveC | zaps another instance. |
| 14:53.55 | d1b | Titan8990: oh noes! |
| 14:54.10 | d1b | SteveC: yeah run stable in production. |
| 14:54.50 | Raven737 | Justin_: but where is the utiltiy partition stored? (can't be on the raid and there is nothing else as far as i know (sd slots are empty)) |
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| 14:55.08 | Justin_ | Raven737: got me, usually it's on the drive |
| 14:55.43 | SteveC | d1b: I hadn't appreciated that Squeeze was unstable :) |
| 14:56.01 | Drakeson | do you have the file /usr/share/applications/defaults.list ? |
| 14:56.02 | yakimo | how do i stop x windows loading at startup |
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| 14:56.06 | d1b | SteveC: it is "testing" |
| 14:56.11 | yakimo | i only want command prompt |
| 14:56.34 | boscaiol1 | yakimo remove *dm from default |
| 14:56.45 | Raven737 | Justin_: well thanks, what did you do about the broadcom drivers? What bootloader do you use? |
| 14:56.45 | d1b | yakimo: apt-get install sysv-rc-conf then ensure that gdm etc. are not started at the appropriate runlevels. |
| 14:56.53 | Justin_ | Raven737: grub |
| 14:56.58 | boscaiol1 | /etc/rc2,d |
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| 14:57.10 | Raven737 | Justin_: 1 or 2? |
| 14:57.13 | Justin_ | Raven737: 1 |
| 14:57.15 | boscaiol1 | rc2.d I mean |
| 14:57.25 | balzac5000 | I'm trying to figure out the best way to give a user (fwanalog) permission to *read* syslogd files - what's the most secure way to do this? I know I don't want to add this user to the "root" group... |
| 14:57.26 | Justin_ | Raven737: broadcom drives work fine once you install the bnx firmware package |
| 14:57.27 | MayaT | hello :) |
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| 14:57.51 | Raven737 | Justin_: just making sure, i'll try it with that |
| 14:57.59 | balzac5000 | I'm afraid if I change the ownership of the syslogd files it will mess up logrotate... |
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| 14:58.11 | Thaxll | balzac5000 give reading permissions to other ? |
| 14:58.23 | yakimo | ok thanks guys |
| 14:58.26 | balzac5000 | Thaxll: thanks for the response! |
| 14:58.38 | balzac5000 | And I'm afraid I'm not following you |
| 14:58.48 | Raven737 | Justin_: yea i am using the net install so i had to manully load it, just asking to make sure i'm not doing something wrong again :) |
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| 14:59.00 | Justin_ | Raven737: you can build a fixed initrd with the module in it.. |
| 14:59.22 | Justin_ | Raven737: http://www.ducea.com/2009/03/02/debian-lenny-pxe-installation-on-dell-poweredge-19502950-servers-bnx2-annoyances/ |
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| 14:59.46 | Justin_ | ah, thats not the one I followed |
| 14:59.51 | Raven737 | Justin_: ohhh thank you very much ^_^ |
| 14:59.52 | Thaxll | balzac5000: you can add a user into adm group btw |
| 14:59.53 | Justin_ | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware |
| 14:59.54 | Justin_ | that's the one |
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| 15:00.28 | Thaxll | balzac5000: Think it won't mess up your logrotate |
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| 15:00.57 | SteveC | Hallelujah! We have LAMP! |
| 15:01.09 | SteveC | Well, I do - have had for years, but I've got one on EC2 now :) |
| 15:01.18 | SteveC | Thanks for the help, be back in a sec when I get confused again :) |
| 15:01.30 | balzac5000 | Thaxll: Ohhh. I'll try that - thanks! |
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| 15:01.58 | Raven737 | Justin_: Thank you very much! That was exactly what i was looking for! |
| 15:02.39 | d1b | SteveC: why are you running on the ec2 tho? |
| 15:02.56 | Raven737 | Justin_: my google skills where failing me :( |
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| 15:03.30 | SteveC | d1b: because I want a fast machine, quickly. |
| 15:03.35 | SteveC | EC2 actually seems pretty neat. |
| 15:03.46 | Justin_ | EC2 is also great if you need 10 fast machines, quickly :) |
| 15:03.48 | d1b | SteveC: it is ok. id recommend linode :P |
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| 15:04.51 | d1b | http://journal.uggedal.com/vps-performance-comparison |
| 15:05.02 | SteveC | d1b: gone through a long list of dedicated server providers that I've refused today - one major exclusion is (for me), not being in the UK (or thereabouts) because of SEO |
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| 15:05.53 | d1b | SteveC: the dns should matter and not the ip of the server. |
| 15:05.55 | boscaiol1 | I know it's OT, but has anyone here good experience of using a scanner (or all-in-one) with an ADF (auto document feed)? |
| 15:06.02 | Titan8990 | SteveC, grokthis.net |
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| 15:06.20 | SteveC | d1b: I have seen evidence that Google uses geolocation as at last a part of their organic sorting. |
| 15:06.39 | Thaxll | SteveC: You should try OVH it's the second largest ISP in euro and in my mind the cheaper |
| 15:06.40 | d1b | SteveC: id argue against this, mainly for where i live, australia. |
| 15:06.57 | d1b | where it is common to have hosting done overseas/ cheaper / foo. |
| 15:07.12 | d1b | you can set in the google webmaster thingy which region to associate your domain with .... |
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| 15:07.21 | MayaT | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.21 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, MayaT |
| 15:07.35 | SteveC | Thaxll: I'll keep them in mind in future, they look disturbingly cheap? |
| 15:07.40 | d1b | MayaT: dpkg is a bot |
| 15:07.44 | Thaxll | It's very very cheap |
| 15:07.49 | SteveC | d1b: yeah, I do that too.. better not to risk these things :) |
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| 15:08.22 | SteveC | anyway, I'm up and running (ish) in EC2 now, so <shrug> - seems like as good an option as any. |
| 15:08.32 | d1b | SteveC: better to be white hat seo, before i find and report the black hat. |
| 15:08.34 | SteveC | nice to think that I can easily get a second machine, then turn it off a few days later with very little cost. |
| 15:09.06 | d1b | google prefers REAL content over seo. |
| 15:09.15 | SteveC | d1b: My opinion is that Black Hat SEO is a fools errand - Google probably hire someone brighter, I know most google employees are brighter (or at least more motivated) than I am :) |
| 15:09.26 | MayaT | d1b, ?????? bot??? not a commands???? |
| 15:09.36 | SteveC | d1b: sure, but humans DON'T for many products - humans tend to like very short, concise snappy copy. |
| 15:09.40 | d1b | MayaT: in this irc room, dpkg is a bot. |
| 15:09.51 | balzac5000 | I'm trying to figure out the best way to give a user (fwanalog) permission to *read* syslogd files - what's the most secure way to do this? I know I don't want to add this user to the "root" group. The user in question is already part of "adm" and isn't able to read the files. |
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| 15:11.35 | d1b | SteveC: depends, id argue splitting the site up with useful information is a valid means to have high quality content and minimal pages / text for customers if that is the requirement. |
| 15:12.06 | Thaxll | balzac5000: I'm able to read syslog with a member of adm group |
| 15:12.24 | Thaxll | admtest@samba:~$ cat /var/log/syslog |
| 15:12.24 | Thaxll | Dec 1 06:25:01 samba kernel: imklog 3.18.6, log source = /proc/kmsg started. |
| 15:12.25 | balzac5000 | Thaxll: In Lenny? |
| 15:12.26 | MayaT | pls help me >>> dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege << how to set superuser? i try type "su and sudo "but the system said i not auth.. ??? |
| 15:12.28 | SteveC | Anyway, I don't have LAMP quiet yet, so back to it - thing is not parsing php yet, surely that's a useful default config for libapache2-mod-php5??? |
| 15:12.29 | Thaxll | Yes |
| 15:12.40 | SteveC | d1b: every little helps (said the ant, pissing in the sea) |
| 15:12.57 | balzac5000 | Hmmm... |
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| 15:13.04 | d1b | SteveC: a2enmod php5 probably. |
| 15:13.44 | SteveC | ? |
| 15:13.59 | balzac5000 | Thaxll: Weird - files were set to 600. When I set them 644 all was well. Thanks! |
| 15:14.10 | SteveC | oic |
| 15:14.24 | SteveC | Module php5 already enabled |
| 15:14.26 | MayaT | someone told me reboot on grub.. and hit "e" |
| 15:14.49 | Thaxll | balzac5000: Your welcome but 644 is not good :o |
| 15:14.54 | MayaT | and then what to do??? |
| 15:15.04 | Thaxll | balzac5000: At least 740 |
| 15:15.17 | balzac5000 | Thaxll: excellent point. |
| 15:16.06 | SteveC | ahem, apache2ctl restart was the problem :) |
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| 15:16.52 | Justin_ | !wayttd MayaT |
| 15:16.52 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, MayaT? |
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| 15:24.07 | jpinx-eeepc | Anyone know if this kind of networking is supported in debian, and is it really that much faster than ethernet? http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=256215742 |
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| 15:24.39 | Justin_ | jpinx-eeepc: what is "ethernet" ? |
| 15:24.58 | rvsjoen | jpinx-eeepc: i'd simply get a gigabit ethernet card ^_^ |
| 15:25.19 | Justin_ | usb2.0 is generally 30MB/s or so, which is 3x faster than a 100M nic, but 3 times slower than a 1000M nic |
| 15:26.10 | jpinx-eeepc | I can only get 10/100 etherenet cards for the PCMCIA slot in the laptop |
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| 15:26.23 | jpinx-eeepc | rvsjoen: not an option for me |
| 15:26.26 | ranix | Justin_: http://reviews.cnet.com/adapters-nics/linksys-gigabit-usb-adapter/1707-3380_7-31426369.html |
| 15:26.38 | ranix | (good for a laugh) |
| 15:27.03 | Justin_ | heh, if that worked it would actually be a better option |
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| 15:27.19 | Justin_ | you'd still be limited to usb2 speeds, but at least you could connect it to a normal network |
| 15:27.53 | rvsjoen | is the laptop old ? |
| 15:27.55 | jpinx-eeepc | rvsjoen: yea - toshiba tecra T8000 |
| 15:28.24 | Justin_ | haha |
| 15:28.28 | ranix | jpinx-eeepc: if you're going to do that sort of thing you will want to use firewire I think, usb networking is somewhat questionable |
| 15:28.29 | Justin_ | that probabl doesn't even have usb 2.0 |
| 15:28.40 | ranix | doesn't it have PCMCIA? |
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| 15:28.57 | ranix | a pcmcia 10/100 card is cheaper than that usb data link cable |
| 15:29.29 | CargolSS | can someone help me in loading the correct order for my sound card? |
| 15:29.36 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: 10/100 cards are about $40 - that USB net is $25 |
| 15:29.38 | CargolSS | here is |
| 15:29.40 | CargolSS | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 15:29.40 | CargolSS | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.40 | CargolSS | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.40 | CargolSS | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.40 | CargolSS | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:29.54 | ranix | really jpinx-eeepc? Check ebay? |
| 15:29.55 | MayaT | Justin_, someone told me type this command >> dpkg -i vodafone-mobile-connect-card-driver-for-linux_1.99.17_i386.deb << but the system give me this >>> dpkg: requested operation requires superuser privilege << |
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| 15:30.07 | ranix | most ebay sellers should be able to ship to NZ |
| 15:30.12 | KnuckOne | !tell CargolSS about paste |
| 15:30.35 | jpinx-eeepc | ranix: ebay is in USA and the shipping is more than the item with small stuff:( |
| 15:30.45 | CargolSS | KnuckOne: sorry |
| 15:30.48 | Titan8990 | jpinx-eeepc, craig's list |
| 15:31.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Titan8990: the trademe site in NZ is miles better than craiglists in NZ |
| 15:31.28 | Justin_ | jpinx-eeepc: 10/100 cards are $20 |
| 15:31.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Justin_: yes - that's $40 NZ |
| 15:31.50 | Justin_ | oh :) |
| 15:31.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Justin_: plus shipping |
| 15:32.33 | jpinx-eeepc | I only wanted to know if usb networking is fast/reliable/supported - but I guess not... :( |
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| 15:33.25 | CargolSS | can someone help me correct the order for my sound system? because its not working |
| 15:33.27 | CargolSS | http://paste.debian.net/52867/ |
| 15:33.30 | CargolSS | thank you |
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| 15:37.38 | omes | With Xen, when i boot the kernel for it, it boots up fine until the xendconsole is started, the the system is suspended and rebooted. does anyone have any experience with this? |
| 15:39.30 | MayaT | give up :( |
| 15:39.42 | privatix | In lenny server i cannot get the ' icon on my keyboard it gives me this ` instead howto get ' icon sounds silly? |
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| 15:41.27 | Janni | I'd like to use an SSH-Tunnel to send my outgoing mail to an SMTP server. I have no problem setting it up using ssh me@srv -L 2525:srv:25 -N |
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| 15:41.44 | Janni | But is there a way to state this rule statically in some config file? |
| 15:42.04 | Janni | I mean something like a package to manage such tunnels... |
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| 15:42.10 | Reinz | hello |
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| 15:42.49 | Reinz | Can you help me please? |
| 15:42.53 | rvsjoen | janni: the interface post-up scripts maybe ? it wont bring the tunnels back up if they go down though |
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| 15:43.44 | Reinz | My friend, I need your help, please rigister at this link: http://vk.com/reg5432221 This is social network like facebook. You will help me very much, thanks!!! |
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| 15:43.58 | omes | Reinz: get out |
| 15:44.02 | Janni | rvsjoen: Right. I'll give it a try... |
| 15:44.21 | Janni | Reinz: Are you a bot? |
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| 15:44.51 | omes | Janni: ctcp version says opera :P |
| 15:44.58 | Janni | Dammit, wanted to do the Turing-test. |
| 15:45.05 | omes | hehehe... |
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| 15:45.30 | omes | ooh, think i just found an explanation to my error |
| 15:45.31 | Janni | Funny thing is, also Humans can fail :-) |
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| 15:45.34 | nsadmin | set her up a fully loaded megahal bot on some free channel |
| 15:45.56 | Janni | must be depressing to fail the turing-test... |
| 15:47.47 | nsadmin | Janni: have you ever tried? |
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| 15:48.47 | Janni | Megahal? No... |
| 15:48.56 | Janni | nsadmin: which channel? |
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| 15:51.05 | TheJoe | gst.ElementNotFoundError: rgvolume <-- What might cause this? |
| 15:51.16 | ghenry26 | Hi, how do I rm -rf two directories like this? |
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| 15:51.16 | ghenry26 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.29 | TheJoe | ghenry26: Run it as root? |
| 15:51.57 | Titan8990 | ghenry26, rm -rf \?\? |
| 15:51.57 | KnuckOne | ghenry26: rm -rf '??' |
| 15:52.01 | KnuckOne | use simple quotes |
| 15:52.06 | KnuckOne | or yes, escapes |
| 15:52.12 | TheJoe | Oh I thought he was on about permissions |
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| 15:54.29 | nsadmin | ghenry26: as root |
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| 15:55.16 | ghenry26 | thanks |
| 15:55.29 | MayaT | gtg ~ bye all... :( |
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| 15:58.23 | P_Kable | hello, how can I know the gateway of a edbian server please ? |
| 15:58.34 | P_Kable | debian* |
| 15:58.46 | liable | route |
| 15:58.50 | P_Kable | thx |
| 15:58.57 | eean | how do I downgrade to packages only availabe from the current repos? |
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| 15:59.57 | ghenry26 | neither rm -rf \?\? or rm -rf '??' work |
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| 16:00.19 | eean | I tried giving the current repo priority over the others in /etc/apt/preferences... but that doesn't seem to work since the newer packages are already installed |
| 16:00.27 | ghenry26 | file ?? show |
| 16:00.28 | ghenry26 | ��: directory |
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| 16:01.18 | KnuckOne | oh... it looks like an encoding issue |
| 16:01.27 | KnuckOne | is it some vfat partition ? |
| 16:01.38 | Titan8990 | or locale |
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| 16:01.48 | eean | sometimes a gui file manager can handle weird stuff like that |
| 16:01.57 | homecable | how to u add colors to bash shell |
| 16:01.58 | homecable | ? |
| 16:02.04 | Titan8990 | ghenry26, the characters you copied and pasted were "??" but the characters that it returned were not printable by my irc client |
| 16:02.05 | ghenry26 | hmmm |
| 16:02.08 | Titan8990 | ghenry26, not question marks |
| 16:02.16 | ghenry26 | mine either |
| 16:02.21 | Thaxll | homecable: You have to change PST variables in the bashconf.rc |
| 16:02.24 | ghenry26 | that's what file ?? shows |
| 16:02.57 | Drunken | hi. i've got debian running on my desktop and I followed the wiki for instaling nvidia drivers. now when i try to start the xserver i get an error saying the gpu is not supported by the driver. i also get screens found but none have a usable configuration |
| 16:02.57 | Drunken | my video card is a nvidia gtx 285 |
| 16:02.57 | Titan8990 | Drunken, did you run nvidia-xconfig? |
| 16:03.04 | TheJoe | (as root!) |
| 16:03.06 | Titan8990 | Drunken, ooh, that might not be supported by the drivers in lenny, thats a bit newer |
| 16:03.06 | Thaxll | homecable: /etc/bash/bash.bashrc |
| 16:03.14 | ghenry26 | so a encodding issue |
| 16:03.16 | ghenry26 | will check |
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| 16:03.26 | Drunken | Titan: yes |
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| 16:04.13 | Drunken | i downloaded the linux driver to my desktop. its got .run extension but don't know how to use it |
| 16:04.25 | Thaxll | Use ./ |
| 16:04.28 | Thaxll | It's a script |
| 16:04.31 | TheJoe | chmod +x *.run |
| 16:04.34 | Thaxll | chmod +x on the file then ./ |
| 16:04.35 | TheJoe | ./*.run |
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| 16:04.46 | TheJoe | Replace the * with the name of the file |
| 16:05.08 | Drunken | sweet |
| 16:05.13 | Drunken | something came up. :P |
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| 16:05.25 | Titan8990 | you all are telling him the wrong way to install drivers... |
| 16:05.37 | TheJoe | Titan8990: He just asked to use the .run |
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| 16:05.51 | Drunken | Well, the installer says the CC version check failed |
| 16:05.56 | TheJoe | Drunken: What you want to do is install nvidia-glx, nvidia-settings and nvidia-xconfig |
| 16:05.58 | Titan8990 | TheJoe, sometimes it best to not answer the simple questions, but to point out whats wrong with the whole idea |
| 16:06.04 | TheJoe | Then run sudo nvidia-xconfig |
| 16:06.19 | Titan8990 | TheJoe, and thats not enough as far as nvidia |
| 16:06.25 | TheJoe | Titan8990: Works for me |
| 16:06.38 | Drunken | thejoe: are you using a 285 gtx? |
| 16:06.39 | TheJoe | wobbles his window |
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| 16:06.40 | Titan8990 | TheJoe, without installing the kernel module? |
| 16:06.48 | Thaxll | use apt-get for graphic card is not good imo |
| 16:06.55 | TheJoe | Titan8990: The module installs as a dependency of those packages |
| 16:07.00 | Thaxll | Off ati / nvidia are far better than free drivers |
| 16:07.12 | Titan8990 | TheJoe, you should be using m-a |
| 16:07.32 | TheJoe | Titan8990: The CC check fails, as Drunken just pointed out |
| 16:07.35 | Drunken | titan: yea, i used the m-a, pretty much everything it said to do with nvidia on the article i did |
| 16:08.06 | Drunken | and i doubt its a good idea to run the .run file since the cc fails and i'm very new to linux |
| 16:08.07 | KnuckOne | Thaxll: official (non-free) nvidia drivers _are_ available via apt-get... |
| 16:08.14 | Titan8990 | Drunken, I would grab nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source from sid |
| 16:08.27 | TheJoe | Nooo not from sid |
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| 16:08.57 | Drunken | scratches head |
| 16:09.00 | Drunken | so which is it? |
| 16:09.04 | Titan8990 | TheJoe, and where would you suggest? |
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| 16:09.16 | TheJoe | Titan8990: Lenny! The whole thing is there |
| 16:09.29 | Titan8990 | TheJoe, the drivers in lenny are too old to support his card |
| 16:09.33 | sigius | Q: When installing some package, how can I tell apt-get to also install 'suggested' packages ?? |
| 16:09.37 | TheJoe | And my Hard Drive sounds like it's ready to explode so I must be off |
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| 16:09.54 | Titan8990 | TheJoe, he needs the 19x.x series of drivers |
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| 16:10.01 | TheJoe | Pidgin is memory leaking and having to use my entire Swap |
| 16:10.05 | H2S04 | Titan8990, I'm pretty sure it's broken in sid at the moment.. |
| 16:10.15 | TheJoe | Like everything else |
| 16:10.21 | Titan8990 | H2S04, last i heard, it was broken in squeeze but worked in sid |
| 16:10.21 | TheJoe | Anyway. I shall return. I hope |
| 16:10.22 | Thaxll | KnuckOne: Are you sure of that ? i mean without changing source.list ? |
| 16:10.28 | H2S04 | TheJoe, everything is broken in sid. :P |
| 16:10.59 | KnuckOne | Thaxll: yes, module-assistant fetch them |
| 16:11.08 | Thaxll | Yes but it'sz not up to date |
| 16:11.10 | KnuckOne | Thaxll: it's in non-free afaik |
| 16:11.15 | Thaxll | as recent as off website |
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| 16:11.26 | H2S04 | Titan8990, I run sid and I'm using 2.6.30-2-amd64 instead of the newer kernel because I couldn't get the new Nvidia driver to work. |
| 16:11.26 | Thaxll | For ATI i'm quiet sure |
| 16:11.34 | H2S04 | Titan8990, it just updated last thursday, so it could be fixed by now, but I doubt it. |
| 16:11.49 | H2S04 | Titan8990, he'd be better off manually downloading and installing it. |
| 16:11.55 | Titan8990 | H2S04, do you use the prebuilt modules or use m-a to build the nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 16:12.09 | KnuckOne | ah not for nvidia Thaxll, Debian uses 170 (or 180) in repos |
| 16:12.21 | H2S04 | Titan8990, I tried both neither worked. |
| 16:12.27 | H2S04 | Titan8990, I usually use m-a |
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| 16:12.45 | Drunken | so what should i do? |
| 16:12.51 | Thaxll | KnuckOne: OK |
| 16:12.52 | H2S04 | Titan8990, I could have fixed it but I didn't want to spend the time. |
| 16:13.02 | KnuckOne | votes m-a |
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| 16:13.20 | Thaxll | KnuckOne: Linux IA32 |
| 16:13.21 | Drunken | let me find what i did to get myself here... /me looks up article |
| 16:13.21 | Thaxll | Latest Version: 190.42 |
| 16:13.35 | Thaxll | It's very old compare to nvidia website |
| 16:13.38 | helo | be sure your card is supported by 190.42 |
| 16:13.52 | Drunken | I followed this to the tee: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
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| 16:14.18 | helo | i had to resort to using the nvidia-supplied legacy drivers because some part of the m-a method wouldn't work for legacy |
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| 16:16.27 | Drunken | should i just run the nvidia script and ignore the warnings? |
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| 16:17.40 | Drunken | install a different linux distro? |
| 16:18.31 | TheJoe | Drunken: I'm not so sure but the warnings may just be warnings |
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| 16:19.21 | Drunken | The compiler used to compile the kernel (gcc 4.1) does not exactly match the current compiler (gcc 4.3). This linux 2.6 kernel module loader rejects kermel modules... |
| 16:19.35 | Drunken | im having to type this since i can't use my desktop atm |
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| 16:19.55 | Drunken | says if i know what i'm doing and what to ignore the gcc version check continue. |
| 16:20.20 | TheJoe | I'm not the best person to ask, but if it was me, because I'm so reckless, I'd go ahead |
| 16:20.44 | Drunken | meh. it failed and exited |
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| 16:21.27 | Drunken | ths is lovely |
| 16:21.34 | TheJoe | Hm |
| 16:21.41 | Drunken | the nvidia installer over wrote my xorg backup |
| 16:21.46 | Drunken | the original one |
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| 16:22.00 | TheJoe | Drunken: I do have my original backup, it should be pretty close to what you had |
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| 16:22.08 | Drunken | well |
| 16:22.18 | Drunken | i don't see the point in using debian if I can't use my hardware. |
| 16:22.22 | Drunken | i screwed up too. |
| 16:22.34 | Drunken | i was going to through the hcl list and assumed if my core i7 worked |
| 16:22.38 | Drunken | surely the gtx would too |
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| 16:22.57 | TheJoe | I don't know what to suggest |
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| 16:23.16 | Drunken | guess I'll check another distro |
| 16:23.18 | Drunken | beats the hell out of windows |
| 16:23.33 | H2S04 | Drunken, you should have downloaded the nvidia drivers from nvidia. :P |
| 16:23.35 | babilen | Drunken: What is your problem? |
| 16:23.41 | helo | Drunken: you need to install gcc 4.1, and make a symbolic link from /usr/bin/gcc to /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 or somesuch |
| 16:23.42 | TheJoe | H2S04: He did |
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| 16:23.50 | TheJoe | H2S04: That's what just failed |
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| 16:24.01 | Drunken | helo |
| 16:24.04 | Drunken | how do i make the link |
| 16:24.28 | wfq | hi |
| 16:24.31 | TheJoe | Drunken: su ln -s /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc-4.1 |
| 16:24.32 | Drunken | and use apt-get to get the gcc? |
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| 16:24.38 | TheJoe | * sudo |
| 16:25.32 | Drunken | says creating sumbolic link... the path... : File exists |
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| 16:25.54 | Thaxll | apt-get install build-essential |
| 16:25.54 | Drunken | that mean it worked? |
| 16:26.12 | wfq | guys, what is the fastest way to set up a firewall on my Debian lenny? It is long time that I do not touch anything about iptables (more than 5 years) so I was wondering if I can use an alternative less hard to set up |
| 16:26.35 | keith4 | firehol |
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| 16:27.05 | babilen | ... everybody run! |
| 16:27.22 | ghenry26 | When hitting tab complete to try and remove these ?? directories bash shows ��/ �^A/ |
| 16:27.30 | Drunken | still getting the error |
| 16:27.31 | ghenry26 | still can't remove these. |
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| 16:27.47 | Drunken | ok |
| 16:27.49 | Drunken | its building |
| 16:28.09 | TheJoe | Whee |
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| 16:28.22 | Drunken | WOOT |
| 16:28.25 | Drunken | it worked! |
| 16:28.27 | Drunken | thanks guys |
| 16:28.28 | TheJoe | Yaaaay |
| 16:28.37 | keith4 | you could probably just... export CC=`which gcc-4.1`, fwiw |
| 16:28.45 | Drunken | mmm my desktop looks so lovely now |
| 16:29.03 | TheJoe | Drunken: Don't forget Compiz ;) |
| 16:29.08 | Drunken | oh i won't |
| 16:29.10 | wfq | keith4, why firehol? There are a few of them here: http://wiki.debian.org/Firewalls.? |
| 16:29.14 | Drunken | maybe you can help me with another hiccup i ran into |
| 16:29.21 | TheJoe | I can try |
| 16:29.30 | Drunken | firefox is b0rked |
| 16:29.33 | Drunken | looking for the error now |
| 16:29.38 | TheJoe | It's called Iceweasel? |
| 16:29.38 | TheJoe | Oh |
| 16:29.39 | TheJoe | heh |
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| 16:30.37 | Drunken | error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file. No such file or dir |
| 16:30.49 | Drunken | i check in the pkg manager and i have the gtk 2.0 libraries |
| 16:30.59 | Drunken | i tried updating them too but it was already up to date |
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| 16:31.16 | TheJoe | I can't remember off the top of my head how to do this |
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| 16:31.49 | Drunken | tried to google it, but it pointed in every different direction |
| 16:32.08 | pom | Im trying to SSH to a Debian machine but I'm rejected with msg: "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host" |
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| 16:32.31 | TheJoe | There's a file, and you need to place the path of the .so in it. But I can't remember which file, and finding the .so would be a pain |
| 16:32.33 | pom | Have a novice on the other side of the telephone line with root. |
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| 16:32.52 | pom | Hope I won't need to go there. |
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| 16:33.30 | Drunken | hm |
| 16:33.30 | babilen | Drunken: this is coming from iceweasel? |
| 16:33.38 | Drunken | mozilla firefox |
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| 16:34.09 | keith4 | wfq: no particular reason. i happen to like it, and it's fairly well-documented |
| 16:34.22 | babilen | and you have libgtk2.0-0 installed? |
| 16:34.28 | Drunken | yes |
| 16:34.33 | babilen | Drunken: Why don't you use iceweasel? |
| 16:34.58 | wfq | keith4. Thanks. Documentation is really important, above all for users like me. |
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| 16:35.28 | babilen | Drunken: How did you install firefox? |
| 16:35.33 | Drunken | always used firefox |
| 16:35.35 | Drunken | i untard it |
| 16:35.44 | Drunken | and copied over to /usr/lib |
| 16:35.46 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: there is a firefox deb on their downloads |
| 16:35.55 | liable | cool, so you dont get debian security updates for it.. |
| 16:36.00 | TheJoe | jpinx-eeepc: What?! There is? |
| 16:36.00 | Drunken | strange |
| 16:36.01 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: much better than messing around with tarballs |
| 16:36.04 | babilen | Drunken: Iceweasel is Firefox ... It's just that Debian is not allowed to use the name because Debian applies some patches |
| 16:36.13 | Drunken | ah |
| 16:36.19 | keith4 | oh jeez |
| 16:36.28 | Teaboy | it's because the name is copyrighted |
| 16:36.36 | Kazuha | I thought Debian didn't use it because they didn't like Mozilla's trademarking. |
| 16:36.37 | babilen | Drunken: And: You should copy it to /usr/local/ not /usr! |
| 16:36.40 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: iceweasel is not really firefix - apparently there are more differences than just the name |
| 16:36.54 | jelly | babilen: it's not Firefox in that User-Agent is different, security updates are via Debian and slower, and there's no automatic update. |
| 16:37.00 | Teaboy | iceweasel is a copyright free version |
| 16:37.07 | jelly | Teaboy: no. |
| 16:37.13 | Kazuha | Trademark-free. >_> |
| 16:37.14 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: Apart from "firefox + Debian patches + different user agent string" ? |
| 16:37.16 | jpinx-eeepc | !iceweasel |
| 16:37.16 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 16:37.16 | keith4 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_by_the_Debian_project |
| 16:37.41 | liable | jpinx-eeepc: security updates are slower in weasel?? |
| 16:37.46 | liable | jelly: ^^ |
| 16:37.49 | jelly | liable: yes. |
| 16:37.55 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: I use swiftfox ;) |
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| 16:38.16 | Kazuha | I prefer Iceape most of the time. (Or Konqueror.) |
| 16:38.34 | liable | jelly: got proof of that? |
| 16:38.42 | babilen | Drunken: Which Debian release do you use? |
| 16:38.56 | Drunken | lenny? |
| 16:39.07 | Drunken | don't know if thats the answer you're looking for. :P |
| 16:39.09 | keith4 | fwiw, things that you install manually generally go in /usr/local |
| 16:39.21 | Drunken | oh ok |
| 16:39.23 | keith4 | so that you don't step on dpkg (or vice versa) |
| 16:39.24 | jelly | liable: compare release dates of relevant packages and Mozilla ones. |
| 16:39.30 | TheJoe | Drunken: You must be on Lenny, because it hasn't exploded yet. |
| 16:39.40 | TheJoe | Sid lasts 20 seconds at the most |
| 16:39.47 | babilen | Drunken: It is. You can either (i) just use iceweasel (ii) download the deb from mozilla and install that (iii) compile it yourself |
| 16:39.56 | liable | jelly: yeah, but have been checking the patches and changelogs? |
| 16:40.03 | Drunken | i'm mozilla website |
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| 16:40.11 | Drunken | they have windows, mac osx, and linux |
| 16:40.12 | TheJoe | I seriously can't believe there's a Mozilla deb |
| 16:40.13 | Drunken | thats all i can find |
| 16:40.18 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: I'm on lenny with swiftfox - slimmer and faster than firefox, and better than iceweasel |
| 16:40.19 | TheJoe | I actually went and built Firefox myself |
| 16:40.29 | keith4 | you sound like a windows user. "i go to the website, and download the installer" |
| 16:40.31 | babilen | ah ... it was mentioned before. did not check that ... sorry |
| 16:40.36 | Drunken | lol |
| 16:40.41 | jpinx-eeepc | TheJoe: the latest ffx will run under wine quite well I hear |
| 16:40.42 | Drunken | well thats the prob |
| 16:40.46 | Drunken | i downloaded the linux one. :P |
| 16:40.46 | liable | jelly: one of the reasons for iceweasel is because mozilla wouldn't let debian apply security fixes without waiting for mozilla, so I find that a bit odd. |
| 16:40.49 | Kazuha | keith4: I was thinking that same thing. |
| 16:40.50 | Drunken | and it don't work |
| 16:41.03 | jelly | liable: I don't have to, I compared the times when Firefox wanted to update itself vs. time when an iceweasel or xulrunner-* update appeared on my mirror |
| 16:41.07 | keith4 | in the future, try http://packages.debian.org first (or any of the 24 other ways to search for software) |
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| 16:41.30 | jpinx-eeepc | !doesn't work |
| 16:41.31 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
| 16:41.36 | TheJoe | So I should prboably get ready for work or something |
| 16:41.39 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: ^^ |
| 16:41.46 | jelly | liable: yeah, that's in the case Debian figures out a security issue _first_, which doesn't seem to happen that often |
| 16:41.51 | Drunken | looks like i made the bot mad. |
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| 16:41.55 | Drunken | i've already posted the error. |
| 16:42.07 | TheJoe | And goodbye |
| 16:42.09 | TheJoe | Drunken: Enjoy |
| 16:42.16 | Drunken | stay frosty m8 |
| 16:42.18 | Drunken | thanks for the help |
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| 16:42.29 | TheJoe | In this weather, I will most certainly stay very frosty |
| 16:42.35 | Drunken | heheh |
| 16:42.48 | Sm0ke0ut | http://pastebin.fayntic.com/131 can I left out in eth0:1 the network/broadcast and assuming he's using the values of the eth0? |
| 16:43.31 | Drunken | well crap |
| 16:43.31 | jelly | Sm0ke0ut: don't. Just skip the gateway. |
| 16:43.42 | Drunken | thunderbird is giving the me the same error |
| 16:43.53 | Sm0ke0ut | ok |
| 16:44.06 | Drunken | error while loading shared libraries: libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:44.10 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: how did you install thunderbird? |
| 16:44.18 | Drunken | and the freaking libgtk-x11 libs are installed |
| 16:44.22 | Drunken | the only way i can |
| 16:44.31 | Drunken | download, extract to usr/local |
| 16:44.34 | babilen | Drunken: Just make life easier for you and us and install the packages provided by Debian. Or compile the software yourself, but then you should go to the mozilla channel and ask there for help. |
| 16:44.35 | Drunken | ./thunderbird |
| 16:44.39 | valdyn | Drunken: debian has no libgtk-x11 package |
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| 16:44.49 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: you need to use aptitude |
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| 16:44.59 | valdyn | Drunken: and you probably are using the 32-bit release on 64-bit debian |
| 16:45.03 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: you're doing it all th ehard way:p |
| 16:45.14 | Drunken | it does sound like it. :P |
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| 16:45.28 | valdyn | Drunken: aptitude install icedove |
| 16:45.33 | homecable | can any one post me /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 16:45.36 | jelly | Drunken: use ldd -v /path/to/whatever/binary to figure out what your nondebian binary wants to be linked to |
| 16:45.36 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: aptitude install thunderbird |
| 16:45.40 | babilen | Drunken: The last tip i have for you is to install ia32-libs-gtk and try that |
| 16:45.58 | Drunken | ok |
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| 16:46.14 | Drunken | now i'm confused and have a question |
| 16:46.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: stop downloading random stuff and bunging it "somewhere" - use aptitude and allow debian to work for you |
| 16:46.24 | Drunken | what is the difference between aptitude install vs apt-get install? |
| 16:46.28 | babilen | Drunken: and follow jelly's advise and check with ldd which libraries are missing |
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| 16:46.32 | jpinx-eeepc | !why aptitude |
| 16:46.32 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 16:46.39 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: Mozilla Thunderbird is _hardly_ random |
| 16:46.48 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: ^^ |
| 16:46.57 | Drunken | ah |
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| 16:47.08 | Drunken | so its searches for stuff bettter i guess |
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| 16:47.21 | Drunken | because the aptitude install tbird worked where apt-get failed |
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| 16:47.30 | babilen | unlikely |
| 16:47.34 | valdyn | judd: versions thunderbird |
| 16:47.35 | judd | valdyn: thunderbird -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 |
| 16:47.50 | ranix | that's a bit odd |
| 16:47.57 | valdyn | or a typo |
| 16:47.59 | Drunken | wait. |
| 16:48.00 | ranix | judd: versions icedove |
| 16:48.02 | judd | ranix: icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 lenny: 2.0.0.19-1 lenny-security: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1 squeeze: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1 sid: 2.0.0.22-1.1 |
| 16:48.06 | ranix | that's more like it |
| 16:48.14 | valdyn | Drunken: you want icedove |
| 16:48.15 | Drunken | aptitude install thunderbird failed. |
| 16:48.22 | Drunken | whats the difference? |
| 16:48.26 | valdyn | Drunken: debian has to rebrand those packages |
| 16:48.27 | babilen | Drunken: 'aptitude install icedove' |
| 16:48.34 | valdyn | Drunken: its not different software though |
| 16:48.47 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: same differences as firefox/iceweasel |
| 16:48.48 | Drunken | sweet |
| 16:49.05 | ranix | !icedove |
| 16:49.05 | dpkg | Icedove is a DFSG-free fork of Mozilla Thunderbird, a cross-platform email client, which replaces Thunderbird in Debian from Lenny. Debian is unable to distribute Mozilla Thunderbird as-is due to trademark restrictions, see <DFSG> and <iceweasel>. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00142.html . For help with upstream issues, ask #thunderbird on irc.mozilla.org. |
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| 16:49.48 | omes | is it possible to install debian over wifi now? its an intel pro 2200bg |
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| 16:49.50 | Drunken | awesomenesss |
| 16:49.51 | babilen | Drunken: and make sure that you remove your firefox install from /usr (and *only* firefox) ... let me say that again: *Remove only the files you copied to /usr* |
| 16:49.52 | Drunken | got em both |
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| 16:50.47 | Drunken | is there a debian way to get flash? |
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| 16:51.01 | Drunken | or does downloading flash and slapping the .so file int he plugins dir work ok? |
| 16:51.02 | jpinx-eeepc | omes: yes |
| 16:51.08 | homecable | can any one post me /etc/bash.bashrc |
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| 16:51.14 | jpinx-eeepc | !flash |
| 16:51.14 | dpkg | somebody said flash was frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 16:51.14 | homecable | i messed mine up |
| 16:51.46 | babilen | homecable: http://pastebin.com/fd9e459d |
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| 16:51.58 | jpinx-eeepc | Drunken: I found that non-free adobe flash was the only one that "just worked" |
| 16:52.23 | jpinx-eeepc | omes: see the installation guide in debian.org |
| 16:52.27 | Drunken | i got the adobe version to work on my debian install on my lappy |
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| 16:52.36 | Drunken | but i also got firefox to work on it too. :-\ |
| 16:52.42 | babilen | homecable: you could also delete it and reinstall bash with: |
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| 16:52.47 | DjAngo23 | Hello everyone, I just added a computer to my network. All the computers are logging in via libpam-ldap. Now the problem is that on the new computer, users can log in. When typing : ldapsearch -h 10.1.1.xx -x -b dc=xxxx,dc=xx : i get all the users, so where is it going wrong ? |
| 16:52.52 | babilen | !tell homecable -about confmiss |
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| 16:54.07 | PyroPhelia | stupid question, all of the intel core2 duo's are 64bit right? |
| 16:54.07 | valdyn | Drunken: flash is in <dmm> and <sid> |
| 16:54.47 | liable | PyroPhelia: yep |
| 16:55.00 | PyroPhelia | thanks |
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| 16:55.52 | PyroPhelia | has anybody had any trouble downloading the netinstall of 5.0.3? the torrent isn't moving for some reason |
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| 16:57.18 | amitz | say, what is debian channel for chinese speaking people? |
| 16:57.49 | ranix | !cn |
| 16:57.49 | dpkg | i heard cn is China, or for help in chinese please join irc.oftc.net #debian-zh, Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
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| 17:00.12 | Teaboy | dpkg is too clever for its own good |
| 17:00.12 | dpkg | Teaboy: i haven't a clue |
| 17:00.19 | Teaboy | exactly |
| 17:00.42 | PyroPhelia | what is the companion cd to the ia64 dvd.iso. do I need the update dvd as well? What will the update iso do that apt can't? |
| 17:00.57 | PyroPhelia | or is the update dvd there for people who had deb4 installed? |
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| 17:01.51 | amitz | btw, the #debian-cn no longer exist. |
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| 17:02.13 | amitz | i mean, #debian-zh |
| 17:02.15 | jelly | PyroPhelia: of you don't have an itanium-based server, you don't want ia64 anyway |
| 17:02.26 | ranix | amitz: try oftc |
| 17:02.30 | ranix | !oftc |
| 17:02.31 | dpkg | somebody said oftc was the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. http://www.oftc.net/ See also <freenode> and <fact sharing>. |
| 17:02.52 | tiveron | vix |
| 17:03.12 | amitz | ranix: thanks |
| 17:03.28 | ranix | np |
| 17:03.35 | jelly | PyroPhelia: for a core2duo etc, amd64 is the 64bit architecture to use |
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| 17:04.10 | PyroPhelia | wow really? |
| 17:04.15 | PyroPhelia | that I was unaware of |
| 17:04.24 | PyroPhelia | I thought intel64 would hold true for all intel lines |
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| 17:04.44 | jelly | I've no idea what "intel64" is |
| 17:04.47 | PyroPhelia | ia64 |
| 17:04.48 | tensorpudding | amd64 is the architecture to use if you bought a intel/amd destkop chip in the last three years |
| 17:04.48 | _talon | is it better to install debian + virtualbox or Xen + other OSs incl. debian? |
| 17:04.52 | mswl | anybody knows how to use the package debian-history ? i installed but i dont know where to find it |
| 17:04.53 | tensorpudding | and ia64 is itanium |
| 17:05.00 | tensorpudding | not based on x86 at all |
| 17:05.04 | _talon | this would be on a 8-core 12GB server |
| 17:05.08 | ranix | PyroPhelia: it used to be called EM64T and then we basically decided it was stupid to keep the split since they were identical to amd64 |
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| 17:05.15 | babilen | !tell PyroPhelia -about amd64 |
| 17:05.20 | ranix | !em64t |
| 17:05.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, intel 64 is Intel's clone of AMD64 - provides 64-bit extensions to i386 architecture. Get either Debian i386 or amd64 (/msg dpkg amd64). This is the platform formally known as em64t. Please ask Intel to make up their minds as to what they want to call it. |
| 17:05.47 | PyroPhelia | glad I discovered that before I made that mistake |
| 17:05.49 | jelly | ranix: what split? There was no split at all. |
| 17:05.51 | PyroPhelia | thanks for the info |
| 17:06.12 | ranix | jelly: there was a small period of time in which Debian contained em64t kernels that were identical to amd64 kernels |
| 17:06.22 | babilen | PyroPhelia: And you can download the netinstall image via http if you have problems with the torrent |
| 17:06.27 | ranix | that was ixnayed fairly promptly |
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| 17:06.32 | PyroPhelia | na it picked up |
| 17:06.40 | jelly | ranix: kernel build flavors, but not the architecture which is what is discussed. |
| 17:06.43 | PyroPhelia | I was getting ~3MBps but it just took forever to find the seeds |
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| 17:07.34 | PyroPhelia | whoa |
| 17:07.42 | PyroPhelia | 5 dvds? |
| 17:07.59 | tensorpudding | you only need one to install |
| 17:08.00 | jelly | PyroPhelia: you only need a netinst image, ~200MB |
| 17:08.00 | ranix | PyroPhelia: that's the entire apt repository for that architecture |
| 17:08.11 | babilen | PyroPhelia: You don't need those. |
| 17:08.15 | tensorpudding | unless you lack internet |
| 17:08.19 | babilen | !netinst |
| 17:08.19 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
| 17:08.20 | PyroPhelia | negative :P |
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| 17:08.27 | tensorpudding | and want to install all your packages from a dvd |
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| 17:09.07 | babilen | !install guide |
| 17:09.07 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 17:09.13 | PyroPhelia | i got it thanks |
| 17:09.14 | mswl | anybody knows how to use the package debian-history ? i installed but i dont know where to find it |
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| 17:09.19 | babilen | PyroPhelia: ^^^ you probably want to read that |
| 17:09.53 | PyroPhelia | i'm sure I can figure it out, I ran sid for years before I went back to school. I'm just kinda out of the game |
| 17:11.21 | jelly | ah yes, it's better to waste other people's time on irc than to read some docs in advance! |
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| 17:11.35 | jelly | they won't bite! |
| 17:11.44 | PyroPhelia | in the debian channel? never |
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| 17:13.40 | jelly | I mean the docs. No guarantees about the people. |
| 17:14.19 | PyroPhelia | I understood, I'm fully aware of debians...ummm Irc reputation :) |
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| 17:15.23 | jelly | rawr. |
| 17:16.04 | roe | I am using amavs that requires the use of DBD::pg, I installed libdbd-pgsql libdbd-pg-perl but amavis is still complaining that it is missing the module. am *I* missing something? |
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| 17:16.43 | phillipsjk | What if you read the docs and get more confussed? THEN can you bug everybody on IRC? |
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| 17:16.58 | jelly | phillipsjk: yes. |
| 17:17.07 | DjAngo23 | Hello everyone, I just added a computer to my network. All the computers are logging in via libpam-ldap. Now the problem is that on the new computer, users can log in. When typing : ldapsearch -h 10.1.1.xx -x -b dc=xxxx,dc=xx : i get all the users, so where is it going wrong ? |
| 17:17.18 | jelly | phillipsjk: no cheating, though, there will be a short test |
| 17:17.50 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a way to change the default route without actually deleting the existing - I have added eth1 and want it to be default for a test, but I don't want to totally delete eth0 as I will revert to it. |
| 17:18.25 | roe | did I jump into the middle of a conversation, or was that directed at me, phillipsjk? |
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| 17:19.59 | phillipsjk | roe the answer to both your questions is probably "no", though I was referencing an earlier comment. |
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| 17:20.13 | roe | 10-4 |
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| 17:23.19 | pom | I |
| 17:24.26 | pom | I'm missing libgss*krb5.so.2 (something like that). It prohibits me from starting SSH for example. |
| 17:24.55 | pom | Tried to install packages with aptitude that I thought might solve it but havn't managed yet. |
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| 17:25.53 | liable | how did you manage to do that? if you installed ssh, it would pull in its needed dependancies |
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| 17:26.38 | Nixot | Hello... |
| 17:26.50 | pom | liable: I installed some packages to be able to build php, and suddenly I was left without being able to login. |
| 17:26.57 | Nixot | when I insert headphones into my headphone hole, no sound comes out |
| 17:27.09 | phillipsjk | I configured fetechmail using fetchmailconf, but am unsure how to automatically start it. The first google result suggest using a cron job if you are using per-user configuration files, but my .fetchmailrc has a configuration option telling it to act as a dameon. |
| 17:27.12 | pom | Think it had to do with libcurl4-dev |
| 17:27.34 | rvsjoen | no -dev package would make you not be able to login |
| 17:27.35 | tensorpudding | Nixot: are you sure your headphones port is plugged into your motherboard/sound card? |
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| 17:27.51 | Nixot | Yes... it's plugged into the green hole at the side |
| 17:27.52 | jhutchins_lt | phillipsjk: man fetchmail && man fetchmailconf |
| 17:27.56 | Nixot | I'm using a laptop |
| 17:28.00 | tensorpudding | okay |
| 17:28.09 | Nixot | Wait a min... |
| 17:28.11 | tensorpudding | is sound working otherwise? |
| 17:28.18 | tensorpudding | is the volume turned up? |
| 17:28.18 | Nixot | yes |
| 17:28.21 | tensorpudding | is it not muted? |
| 17:28.26 | Nixot | sound when there's no headphones in |
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| 17:28.31 | KnuckOne | Nixot: "alsamixer", check if "headphones" is enabled |
| 17:29.00 | Nixot | Headphones says "MM" |
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| 17:29.13 | pom | rvsjoen: Otherwise I installed "build-essential" and, oh yes, openssh-dev i think. |
| 17:29.14 | KnuckOne | ah bah |
| 17:29.29 | KnuckOne | it's muted Nixot, slect it, and press M |
| 17:29.39 | KnuckOne | then "00" should appear |
| 17:29.49 | Nixot | now it says OO and there's no volume |
| 17:29.55 | tensorpudding | and you have to turn up the volume |
| 17:29.57 | Nixot | is that OK? Will the volume be the same? |
| 17:30.00 | darkblue_B | hi all- no-brainer desktop question.. I chose "Cennect to Server" in the Gnome desktop and there is no place for a password AFAICS, then it made an entry in the Places menu with the invalid connection, which I cant seem to get rid of.. How do I get rid of these failed cnnections in the Places menu? |
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| 17:30.03 | Nixot | I mean there's no volume bar |
| 17:30.19 | KnuckOne | Nixot: nothing called "Front" ? |
| 17:30.37 | Nixot | Excellent! It works now! Thanks! :D |
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| 17:30.41 | KnuckOne | :) |
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| 17:32.35 | greycat | This x2x thing is funny. I can move the mouse pointer over to the Debian box, type 3-key compose sequences (using the HP-UX defined compose key, not the Debian defined compose key) that don't actually work on HP-UX, then copy/paste the resulting glyph back over here on HP-UX. |
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| 17:33.35 | babilen | darkblue_B: just delete them from the desktop / drag out of the bar in nautilus |
| 17:33.42 | greycat | But only in KOL chat in firefox... not in rxvt-unicode... because if I do it in rxvt-unicode then I get a UTF-8 glyph, and that just doesn't work.... |
| 17:33.56 | mue | my apt broke #$ sudo aptitude update |
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| 17:33.58 | babilen | darkblue_B: And you can choose different types off connections in the "Connect to server" window |
| 17:33.58 | mue | aptitude: symbol lookup error: aptitude: undefined symbol: sqlite3_open_v2 |
| 17:34.12 | babilen | mue: which Debian release are you using? |
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| 17:34.33 | pom | So, my libgss is screwed somehow. What's my best bet for getting it running again? |
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| 17:35.11 | mue | babilen: this is experimental |
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| 17:35.32 | babilen | mue: Then fix it ... a debugger might help ;-) |
| 17:35.46 | mue | hehe, knew it, okay |
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| 17:35.57 | darkblue_B | babilen: I found .gconf/desktop/gnome/connected_servers and deleted two likely folders |
| 17:36.00 | babilen | mue: Why are you running *experimental* anyway? |
| 17:36.15 | babilen | darkblue_B: Are there no icons on the desktop? |
| 17:36.20 | jelly | greycat: does a Gtk app work? Firefox being linked with Gtk, it might be using the Gtk embedded (read hardcoded) input method translation table thingy |
| 17:36.38 | darkblue_B | no - the connections failed., but it left items in the Places menu |
| 17:36.39 | simonrvn | mue: that's not a release or any sort of complete debian version |
| 17:36.42 | adb | pom, is libkrb53 installed ? try a install --reinstall of it |
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| 17:37.03 | jelly | greycat: in XChat, for example, one may choose a different input method, "X Input Method" being one of the options, and it works better with Compose |
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| 17:37.15 | mue | bablen: was not intended, at least not on this machine, copied the wrong sources.list |
| 17:37.18 | jelly | greycat: read: obeys the configured xkbmap |
| 17:37.20 | simonrvn | expecting it to be is like living on crackers with no water. dead in not very long. |
| 17:37.22 | greycat | Kingdom of Loathing chat uses some really weird Javascript and does its own hard-coded character encoding conversions. It's a real mess. But it actually works for pasting ç back here as an ISO 8859-1 glyph despite being copied from a UTF-8 Debian locale. |
| 17:37.36 | babilen | mue: You upgraded to experimental? |
| 17:37.39 | mue | babilen: no risk no fun |
| 17:37.50 | mue | babilen: yes |
| 17:37.58 | babilen | prefers to do other things for fun |
| 17:38.44 | babilen | mue: Does dpkg work? |
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| 17:40.08 | phillipsjk | got distracted by a mention of RFC 1460 in the documentation. |
| 17:40.19 | simonrvn | greycat: um, not seeing that '?" you have there |
| 17:40.26 | simonrvn | '?' even |
| 17:40.45 | f00bar80 | i used to install a debian stable-netinstall to my notebook HD, from my bootable usb disk , after rebooting when i removed the usb stick, system didn't boot to debian installed on hda, any comment |
| 17:40.48 | jelly | simonrvn: ccedilla in this xchat |
| 17:41.01 | jelly | ç |
| 17:41.03 | simonrvn | ç |
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| 17:41.11 | babilen | f00bar80: You finished the installation? |
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| 17:41.58 | Drunken | has anyone had experience with getting soundmax to work with ala? |
| 17:42.00 | Drunken | alsa* |
| 17:42.07 | Drunken | more specifically with the spdif output |
| 17:42.19 | mue | babilen: it does |
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| 17:42.30 | f00bar80 | babilen, yes and grub installed and got finished installtion ans system rebooted then i removed the usb as it comes to boot and restart the installation again |
| 17:43.00 | xxtjaxx | Hi I want to have a cmake option passed on to the build when creating my cmake based program how can I add that to my rules file for packaging? |
| 17:43.10 | valdyn | f00bar80: you might have installed from to that usb stick |
| 17:43.19 | valdyn | f00bar80: you might have installed grub to that usb stick |
| 17:43.35 | greycat | simonrvn: see, now you know how I feel when people paste UTF-8 gibberish ;-P |
| 17:43.48 | simonrvn | haha |
| 17:44.01 | f00bar80 | valdyn, no i got grub installed to hda |
| 17:44.01 | simonrvn | i did already =) |
| 17:44.09 | simonrvn | nice reminder |
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| 17:45.43 | pom | adb: That did the trick. I cannot understand what led to this however. |
| 17:45.56 | rodyaj | hi. Does squeeze use nvidia-glx (96xx)? Or do I need to add unstable to my sources and get a legacy driver? |
| 17:46.26 | KnuckOne | f00bar80: and this grub on hda is maybe configured to boot on the usb stick... rescue mode is what you want anyway |
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| 17:46.38 | valdyn | rodyaj: squeeze nvidia drivers are probably still broken |
| 17:46.51 | valdyn | judd: versions nvidia-glx |
| 17:46.51 | judd | valdyn: nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 190.42-3 |
| 17:47.02 | KnuckOne | !tell f00bar80 about rescue mode |
| 17:47.09 | valdyn | rodyaj: id use the right ones from sid |
| 17:47.40 | rodyaj | ok well I've tried doing this and have the legacy-96xx drivers installed, but I had to remove the whole of xorg.... |
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| 17:48.26 | valdyn | rodyaj: maybe you should be using stable if you dont know your way around basic stuff like this |
| 17:48.54 | adb | pom , me too , but i had too a strange issue w/ libkr5 in tranzition lenny - squeeze ... don't now how libkrb5 was left .. heh |
| 17:49.14 | darkblue_B | Fail- I tried connecting in connect to server as both ssh (sftp) and as custom with sftp://user@IP and they both failed, not giving me a chance to enter a password.. I am confused |
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| 17:49.45 | darkblue_B | how can a standard connect not have a password entry.. I am not seeing this |
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| 17:50.31 | manug | I'm a bit confused about how the whole testing/unstable system works. Right now I'm running squeeze but want to get Iceweasel 3.5. If I add "...sid main" to my sources.list, will that upgrade my whole system? What if I just want the newer version of iceweasel? |
| 17:51.04 | darkblue_B | manug: I am a beginner, but, I think the short answer is that in most cases you cant.. because |
| 17:51.17 | darkblue_B | the system is a huge collection of dependancies |
| 17:51.22 | KnuckOne | manug: no it won't, just use "apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel" |
| 17:51.22 | simonrvn | if you don't know, don't do it |
| 17:51.35 | rodyaj | valdyn: are you suggesting I've done something wrong? Because the drivers in squeeze are broken, I've tried setting testing as the default release and apt-get -t unstable nvidia-legacy, etc. SO I do "know my way around" using apt. I don't see why the whole of xorg should be getting removed. |
| 17:51.36 | darkblue_B | so if you go to one, you are implicitly require the others |
| 17:52.13 | manug | darkblue_B, KnuckOne simonrvn -- I think I just got 3 different answers=) |
| 17:52.14 | darkblue_B | simonrvn: thats a lazy answer, IMHO |
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| 17:52.23 | simonrvn | rodyaj: it's called a conflicts. 'nough said. |
| 17:52.41 | pom | adb: Me neither. Can't see anything in the cmd history that should have caused that. Anyway, happy it's fixed. Would hava taken a couple of hours more to figure that one out. |
| 17:52.42 | darkblue_B | in some cases there are chains of dependancies, in others not.. |
| 17:52.45 | valdyn | rodyaj: i cant know what triggered that without seeing the actual command outputs |
| 17:52.53 | simonrvn | darkblue_B: not very humble if you're offering it ;). |
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| 17:53.05 | darkblue_B | ok |
| 17:53.10 | manug | KnuckOne, i'll try that -- thanks! |
| 17:53.26 | rodyaj | simonrvn: I know it is a conflict, it doesn't stop me from not having 3d acceleration on my desktop system |
| 17:53.41 | babilen | whispers radeon{hd} |
| 17:53.46 | darkblue_B | manug - you know you can bring Firefox over and ditch IceWeasel |
| 17:53.50 | KnuckOne | but manug as simonrvn said, be careful and think twice before pressing enter |
| 17:53.53 | debuggerboy | how can I find which files are being accessed from internet by an application (process)? Is there any command? Ex: If an vlc is playing a network stream can we find which URL is thta? |
| 17:54.06 | darkblue_B | FF seemed self-contained, it was really easy |
| 17:54.08 | jess^ | won't um |
| 17:54.19 | adb | pom, to me i wasn't enable to login in my normal X sesssion .. heh |
| 17:54.28 | jess^ | won't lsof do that, debuggerboy |
| 17:54.29 | jess^ | ? |
| 17:54.29 | darkblue_B | I got the whole thing, and added a sym link in one place. it works great |
| 17:54.30 | manug | KnuckOne, noted, thanks. I figure it's worth a try... |
| 17:55.12 | debuggerboy | jess^: I checked lsof but its give only the hostname ? Do I need to passa ny switches? |
| 17:55.52 | Xenguy | debuggerboy: lsof -i ? |
| 17:56.27 | jess^ | debuggerboy: try lsof -i -n -P |
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| 17:56.42 | simonrvn | darkblue_B: dep hell is not fun, and even worse for a newbie. |
| 17:57.11 | debuggerboy | Thanks Xenguy , jess^:let me try thast |
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| 17:57.26 | jess^ | debuggerboy: i reccomend you RTFM. this is a good resource: |
| 17:57.28 | jess^ | debuggerboy: http://www.akadia.com/services/lsof_intro.html |
| 17:57.57 | jess^ | lsof is _powerful_ and you might find exactly what you want there :) |
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| 18:04.10 | manug | KnuckOne, it worked and nothing bad happened! thanks! |
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| 18:08.08 | dragon | In Debian, how can I specify multiple mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list for failover? |
| 18:09.13 | abrotman | just add anotherone |
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| 18:11.05 | dragon | abrotman: in that case `apt-get update` contacts every mirror. Isn't there a way to make apt aware that those are different mirrors of the same thing? |
| 18:12.30 | acu | Guys I am setting up a webserver - I have a Phenom with 8 GB RAM and 750 GB hard disk and I am still undecided how to allocate the hard disk for /boot will be primary 350 gb but how much should be /usr swap /tmp /home (I have no user except the default) my main question is whether I have to let /var 700 GB or have a var of 20 GB and /var/www of 650 ? |
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| 18:13.35 | iceroot | acu: 350gb for /boot? |
| 18:13.38 | wols | acu: why so many partitions? and /varnot only holds www data, but SQL DBs too |
| 18:13.40 | iceroot | acu: dont do that |
| 18:13.41 | wols | they can get huge |
| 18:14.02 | acu | no /boot 350 mb |
| 18:14.07 | iceroot | acu: ok |
| 18:14.15 | wols | acu: I'm curious, how big is your upstream pipe? |
| 18:14.20 | dragon | acu, use LVM, so that you could keep it flexible |
| 18:14.54 | dragon | also, you don't really need swap. Keep it 1GB max |
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| 18:15.25 | dragon | if you aren't really using /usr, /home, /tmp for anything special, keep them on / |
| 18:15.29 | acu | dragon: I am not familiar with LVM and I wish this will run OK - no time to fidle with it too much - I thought when you have a database the rule is to have double the swap compare to the RAM |
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| 18:16.15 | dragon | acu: 16GB RAM would most probably be a waste. But then it depends on the actual usage of the server. |
| 18:16.19 | acu | strangely enough the squeeze install does not work unless I install everything in first 50 GB |
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| 18:17.02 | acu | dragon - I will have postgresql and few websites so I expect some need |
| 18:17.21 | dragon | acu, how many hits per day are you expecting? |
| 18:17.25 | ranix | acu: systems have so much ram these days that if you do that, your system will take longer to recover from a thrash waiting for the OOM killer to kick in than it would take you to simply reboot |
| 18:17.28 | hid3nax | Could anyone please help me to set up a multicast router on debian? |
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| 18:17.53 | ranix | acu: generally you want no more than 2ish gigs of swap |
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| 18:18.32 | do0ob | needs a nice quote for debian sid |
| 18:18.34 | acu | ranix: so the rule of 2 GB of SWAP for every one of ram is not good |
| 18:18.35 | do0ob | something nice please |
| 18:18.47 | hid3nax | anyone? |
| 18:18.47 | dragon | acu: I have a heavily-used desktop with 4GB and I've never got to a point where the swap was actually in use. |
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| 18:19.10 | ranix | acu: not in my opinion, but you may find others with a different opinion |
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| 18:19.17 | wols | acu: ever since about ~1GB ram, this rule was useless |
| 18:19.25 | dragon | acu: that rule is valid for smaller values of RAM, say 512MB or 1GB. |
| 18:19.28 | ranix | the fact that nobody's spoken up to correct me suggests I'm not wrong |
| 18:19.41 | wols | dragon: 1GB is usually enough for a linux desktop to not touch RAM |
| 18:20.02 | wols | not touch swap of course |
| 18:20.24 | rozie | you can always make swap in file |
| 18:20.32 | dragon | wols: that depends on the usage again - 2 x eclipse, tomcat, compiz, memory-leaking Xorg etc. |
| 18:20.49 | wols | ok, java people are not normal people :P |
| 18:21.03 | ranix | wols ++ |
| 18:21.04 | wols | they're insane by definition, especially eclipse using ones |
| 18:21.07 | dragon | wols: and then it's 64-bit ;) |
| 18:21.08 | SpeedyG | wols: so true ^_^ |
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| 18:21.16 | dragon | acu: if you setup LVM, you can revisit these partition questions later |
| 18:21.30 | acu | what's wrong with eclipse - eclipse PHP |
| 18:21.45 | dragon | wols: and eclipse users have eclipsed brainz too :P |
| 18:21.57 | dragon | one of my eclipses is usually PDT |
| 18:22.02 | dragon | could be Aptana too |
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| 18:22.04 | SpeedyG | dragon: they're all in the dark? ;) |
| 18:22.15 | acu | for the swap - I was thinking from a server point of view - so you guys say that more than 5 GB of swap is done |
| 18:22.21 | dragon | lol |
| 18:22.48 | dragon | acu: how many clicks per day are you expecting at max? |
| 18:22.48 | wols | acu: you don't ever want a server to touch swap. it has to serve. not trash your disks cause it's swapping |
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| 18:23.04 | ranix | !swap |
| 18:23.04 | dpkg | methinks swap is RAM you wish you had. Generally it is said that for low amounts of RAM, you should have twice the RAM as swap. You don't have to have a swap partition either, as you can always create a <swap file> and use that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swap_space#Linux |
| 18:23.10 | jelly | acu, unless you have specific knowledge that your app is going to need more *cough*oracle*cough*, yes |
| 18:23.41 | wols | jelly: isn't oracle bypassing normal stuff and doing it barebones? |
| 18:24.06 | jelly | dpkg: swap =~ s/low amounts of RAM/low amounts of RAM (say, less than 2GB)/ |
| 18:24.06 | dpkg | jelly: OK |
| 18:24.32 | darkblue_B | "There was an error starting the Gnome settings daemon.. the daemon started too many times..." :-( |
| 18:24.34 | jelly | wols, isn't not doing barebones swapping, no |
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| 18:24.46 | jelly | s/isn't/it's/ |
| 18:25.21 | wols | storage then maybe? I thought it does something barebones without the OS |
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| 18:26.40 | sthon | Is there an easy to tell if SELinux is enabled in debian etch? |
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| 18:28.07 | dragon | any ideas about adding mirrors to /etc/apt/sources.list for failover, without hitting them at every `apt-get update`? |
| 18:28.45 | phillipsjk | now got distracted calculating the entropy of his password |
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| 18:29.10 | jelly | wols, it can do storage on ASM (its own fs/lvm), and it does own caching |
| 18:29.10 | greycat | use a round-robin hostname like ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 18:29.40 | jelly | cdn.debian.net seems to be doing some sort of geodns thing |
| 18:29.59 | jeward | How do I correct this error: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the tftpd-hpa package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 18:30.18 | jeward | This is from an aptitude install command unrelated to tftpd. |
| 18:30.38 | jeward | I've tried reinstalling and removing the tftpd-hpa package. |
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| 18:32.23 | zhenia | I have fail |
| 18:32.32 | zhenia | Apache tells me I have no install candidate |
| 18:32.43 | zhenia | apt-get install apache |
| 18:32.52 | zhenia | I am on a Deb. box |
| 18:32.57 | sthon | apt-get install apach2 |
| 18:32.57 | zhenia | What I do wrong? |
| 18:33.02 | sthon | er apache2 |
| 18:33.03 | greycat | try apache2 instead |
| 18:33.27 | zhenia | Sweet |
| 18:33.54 | zhenia | this time E: Couldn't find package apach2 |
| 18:34.07 | KnuckOne | apache2 |
| 18:34.17 | abrotman | fail indeed ... |
| 18:34.21 | zhenia | and then I saw it |
| 18:34.35 | zhenia | it thinks it's installed |
| 18:34.44 | zhenia | but the start command won't get it working |
| 18:35.25 | greycat | what error do you get? and what 'start command' did you issue? |
| 18:35.27 | zhenia | virtual host was not closed |
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| 18:35.37 | zhenia | apache2ctrl start |
| 18:35.46 | _KaszpiR_ | its apache2ctl |
| 18:35.54 | _KaszpiR_ | afair |
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| 18:37.03 | Drunken | hmm |
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| 18:37.15 | Drunken | why does it appear that only 1 program can play audio at a time? |
| 18:37.45 | zhenia | bah, russian grandma calling |
| 18:37.54 | do0ob | yay i put the debian logo on a hp wallpaper |
| 18:37.54 | zhenia | Still give me an error |
| 18:37.59 | zhenia | syntax error on line 281 |
| 18:38.01 | Thaxll | Is there a way to show mobo id under debian ? with ls or grep ? |
| 18:38.04 | do0ob | i'm going to make it a splashy |
| 18:38.05 | zhenia | as before |
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| 18:38.08 | greycat | depends on your sound card, drunken. if your sound card can only handle one stream at a time, I think there's some way to set up ALSA to multiplex them |
| 18:38.17 | sthon | zhenia: did you change the config file? |
| 18:38.22 | Drunken | how do i play with the alsa? |
| 18:38.25 | sthon | sounds like you screwed something up |
| 18:38.27 | Drunken | it worked fine under windows. |
| 18:38.51 | sthon | ie not closing the end tag of a virtualhost... |
| 18:39.27 | jeward | Can anyone help me resolve this: http://pastebin.ca/1696888 |
| 18:40.01 | Justin_ | jeward: fix your sources.list, run aptitude update |
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| 18:40.41 | jeward | Justin_: I run the same sources.list on 50 other machines? |
| 18:41.27 | jeward | Justin_: My mirror is local though, do you think there is a problem with my mirror? |
| 18:41.34 | Justin_ | jeward: how many things did I tell you to do? |
| 18:41.50 | jeward | Justin_: 2, I did them, same result. |
| 18:42.06 | Justin_ | try aptitude full-upgrade |
| 18:42.30 | sthon | apt-get remove apt-get |
| 18:42.38 | Xenguy | dpkg |
| 18:42.41 | sthon | then you won't get anymore apt-get errors. |
| 18:42.52 | greycat | sthon: the package name is apt. |
| 18:42.52 | sthon | other than command not found... |
| 18:43.01 | sthon | ah, my bad. |
| 18:43.10 | sthon | I've never tried to remove it... |
| 18:43.32 | jeward | Justin_: Current status: 2 broken [+2], 15 updates [-4]. |
| 18:43.40 | Justin_ | yeah, you should fix that |
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| 18:43.51 | themill | jeward: can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy"? |
| 18:44.39 | jeward | themill: http://pastebin.ca/1696902 |
| 18:46.05 | Raven737 | Hi again.. stupid question but i want to extract something from a deb file.. there is an app called "ar" that can do it.. how do i gget that app? |
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| 18:46.18 | greycat | it should be in binutils |
| 18:46.22 | jeward | themill: Could it be my mirror? |
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| 18:46.45 | themill | jeward: presumably then either your mirror is a little quirky or you have an interesting mix of packages through old packages or through something funky in your "local" packages. You shouldn't be seeing broken packages like that from just doing an upgrade. |
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| 18:47.04 | Raven737 | greyca: thanks! :) |
| 18:47.14 | hid3nax | Could anyone please help me to set up a multicast router on debian? |
| 18:47.15 | jeward | themill: Should I try changing to ftp.us.debian.org and removing the local mirror? |
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| 18:47.59 | themill | jeward: might be worthwhile. Running "aptitude search ~o" when you've changed your sources.list (and run aptitude update) wouldn't be a bad idea either |
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| 18:49.00 | jeward | themill: Doing so now. |
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| 18:49.45 | zhenia | I think my config file for apache2 is what's making the error |
| 18:49.55 | zhenia | a good guide to configure a place holder page? |
| 18:50.03 | phillipsjk | Would I nomally have the same default shell for both xterm and the console? |
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| 18:50.53 | babilen | phillipsjk: yes |
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| 18:52.06 | rhalff | hi how to run a cronjob now ? at now /etc/cron.d/my_job was supposed to work but it doesn't |
| 18:52.18 | rhalff | gives me: syntax error. Last token seen: / |
| 18:52.23 | rhalff | Garbled time |
| 18:52.44 | greycat | at now <<< my.job |
| 18:52.54 | greycat | or, echo my.job | at now |
| 18:53.03 | greycat | or, "at now" Enter "my.job" Enter Ctrl-D |
| 18:53.10 | Justin_ | rhalff: /etc/cron.d/my_job is not a runnable script |
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| 18:53.52 | phillipsjk | runs "grep james /etc/passwd" |
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| 18:54.14 | rhalff | Justin_: everything in cron.d is not runnable |
| 18:54.22 | Justin_ | rhalff: true. |
| 18:54.28 | rhalff | greycat: thanks, I'll try |
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| 18:54.45 | greycat | I am of course assuming that "my.job" is an executable program of some kind. |
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| 18:54.50 | Justin_ | !wayttd rhalff |
| 18:54.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, rhalff? |
| 18:55.05 | greycat | also a good point. |
| 18:55.06 | rhalff | test if my cronjob works |
| 18:55.11 | greycat | Ah. Yeah. That. |
| 18:55.16 | greycat | Not the right way to do that. |
| 18:55.26 | rhalff | so what is the right way :-) |
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| 18:55.44 | greycat | Edit crontab so that the execution time is a minute from now. |
| 18:56.04 | greycat | at(1) probably sets up a different environment than cron does. |
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| 18:57.40 | rhalff | hm seems like nothing in cron.d is run probably, only .hourly etc is done. |
| 18:58.11 | greycat | do you need to read "man run-parts" again? |
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| 18:58.23 | rhalff | probably |
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| 18:58.44 | greycat | (check /etc/crontab, see that it invokes something called "run-parts" which is a Debian program, read its man page, observe the restrictions on naming....) |
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| 18:59.21 | SzArAk | hi. how can i check if i have a sata or pata slim dvd on my laptop? |
| 18:59.47 | Justin_ | SzArAk: why? |
| 18:59.51 | abrotman | !tell SzArAk about whats my hardware |
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| 19:00.03 | SzArAk | Justin_: want to buy new one |
| 19:01.16 | rhalff | greycat: http://pastebin.com/d699f409 that's the contents of /etc/crontab, that will never run anything in /etc/cron.d right ? |
| 19:01.53 | greycat | rhalff: it runs "run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily" and so on. |
| 19:02.06 | greycat | I don't even know what cron.d is. Is that some new Debian thing? |
| 19:02.17 | Justin_ | new? no |
| 19:02.33 | rhalff | old I guess. |
| 19:02.41 | Justin_ | cron.d ~ crontab.d |
| 19:02.47 | Justin_ | not sure why they didn't just call it that |
| 19:02.55 | Dubphil | Hello ! I believe I will die with this encoding, I'm on pgadmin III and I want to create a new databse in UTF-8 but pgadmin III reject it because it says that my serveur default LC_CTYPE is not set to UTF-8, but when I do # locale | grep 'LC_CTYPE' I get : LC_CTYPE="fr_FR.UTF-8" so what can I do best ? |
| 19:02.57 | greycat | Ah, cron(8) says "Additionally, cron reads the files in /etc/cron.d: it treats the files in /etc/cron.d as in the same way as the /etc/crontab file (they follow the special format of that file, i.e. they include the user field)." |
| 19:03.36 | greycat | rhalff: so, are the things in your /etc/cron.d shell scripts, or are they /etc/crontab format one-line descriptive jobbie thingies? |
| 19:03.54 | abrotman | SzArAk: you'll almost certainly have to buy it from your laptop manufacturer |
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| 19:04.21 | rhalff | hm ok, and succesful runs are not reported in syslog anywhere then, or at least my script is not reporting, I guess I just move my script to the hourly dir, which is ok for me. |
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| 19:04.31 | rhalff | yeah they are crontab format thingies |
| 19:04.36 | greycat | rhalff: if the things in /etc/cron.d are scripts, then you've done it wrong. |
| 19:04.45 | greycat | rhalff: and if they are not scripts, then you can't run them via at(1) anyway. |
| 19:05.07 | rhalff | this: 0 0 * * * root mysql -u amavis -pmypass -e "CALL db_clean()" |
| 19:05.14 | SzArAk | abrotman: that would be bad. it's a hp pavilion dv6500... with shitty Matshita (not matsushita :P) dvd. original spares costs fortune ;P |
| 19:05.24 | rhalff | greycat: ah... :-) |
| 19:05.25 | abrotman | SzArAk: ebay? |
| 19:06.11 | SzArAk | abrotman: yeah.. but i thought i could try a different kind of dvd's, like lite-on, or whatever. Not that from hp. |
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| 19:06.37 | abrotman | SzArAk: problem is tht a laptop has limited space .. they may have a certain notch, etc in the drive casing |
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| 19:07.15 | SzArAk | abrotman: i tried to google that, but with no satysfying results. |
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| 19:07.29 | SzArAk | abrotman: but thank you. i'll try to find out more. |
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| 19:14.15 | TheJoe | PulseAudio is failing to connect, it simply says "Connection refused" |
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| 19:15.45 | jelly | judd: versions bitlbee |
| 19:15.46 | judd | jelly: bitlbee -- etch: 1.0.3-1.3 etch-backports: 1.2.3-1~bpo40+1 lenny: 1.2.3-1 sid: 1.2.4-2 |
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| 19:18.03 | rhalff | greycat & Justin_ thanks for the help :) |
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| 19:23.11 | TheJoe | Wow |
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| 19:23.23 | TheJoe | PulseAudio is actually making programs crash when they make a noise |
| 19:23.51 | roe | looking for docs on how to do an SSB |
| 19:23.51 | jelly | TheJoe: that's how you know it works |
| 19:24.05 | TheJoe | jelly: It's been so reliable until now |
| 19:24.06 | jelly | roe: in addition to /msg dpkg ssb ? |
| 19:24.11 | roe | no |
| 19:24.31 | jelly | ok then, you have the general idea there |
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| 19:26.23 | dragon | I'm still looking for ways to add mirrors to /etc/apt/sources.list for failover. I've setup apt-proxy on a box on LAN, but laptops go in and out. I want them to use that internal box when possible, public servers otherwise. I achieved this by adding local server first, and then the public ones, but it'd be better if `apt-get update` didn't hit all the servers. |
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| 19:27.52 | POTHEAD` | Hello how can i zip folder in debian ? |
| 19:28.11 | jelly | dragon: fake dns entries on the inside? :-) |
| 19:28.33 | dragon | jelly: except that my WRT54G router wouldn't allow that |
| 19:28.41 | dragon | it's too new to run linux :( |
| 19:28.54 | jelly | dragon: you are allowed to put the dns server on some other machine |
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| 19:29.28 | jelly | dragon: and hopefully you can reconfigure the dhcp to give out correct nameserver to the clients |
| 19:29.29 | wols | POTHEAD`: the answer stays the same: man zip |
| 19:29.29 | dragon | jelly: yes, but that usually complicates things |
| 19:29.42 | jelly | dragon: well, duh |
| 19:29.52 | dragon | jelly: i came up with another idea |
| 19:29.56 | macrobat | POTHEAD`: install zip and unzip :) |
| 19:29.56 | Justin_ | POTHEAD`: did you try right clicking it? |
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| 19:30.02 | Justin_ | wonders why people make things so hard |
| 19:30.06 | POTHEAD` | Justin_ im on ssh |
| 19:30.12 | POTHEAD` | macrobat yeah i installed :) |
| 19:30.15 | dragon | I can run apt-proxy on every machine, and make it contact the LAN server first, then second mirror |
| 19:30.15 | POTHEAD` | and what command is to zip it? |
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| 19:30.24 | Justin_ | POTHEAD`: i guess you're reading the man page then |
| 19:30.37 | POTHEAD` | can you just tell me the command to zip it? |
| 19:30.43 | dragon | and I can tell client apt-proxies to not cache anything |
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| 19:30.49 | dragon | or keep the cache small |
| 19:30.49 | macrobat | "zip" |
| 19:30.51 | jelly | POTHEAD`: unlikely though it may seem, "zip" |
| 19:30.55 | POTHEAD` | yeah and then ? |
| 19:30.57 | POTHEAD` | zip x users ? |
| 19:30.58 | Justin_ | POTHEAD`: man zip |
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| 19:31.00 | everwicked | hello |
| 19:31.01 | dragon | they won't have too many requests going through them any way |
| 19:31.09 | POTHEAD` | damn i dont want to read it |
| 19:31.13 | POTHEAD` | i just want to know command |
| 19:31.15 | POTHEAD` | without reading... |
| 19:31.15 | jelly | POTHEAD`: it's used pretty much like pkzip from the DOS days |
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| 19:31.25 | everwicked | POTHEAD`, we don't care |
| 19:31.28 | Justin_ | POTHEAD`: stay in school. |
| 19:31.29 | macrobat | yes, reading is hard |
| 19:31.36 | dragon | oh wait, apt-proxy + local discovery ~= debtorrent |
| 19:31.37 | everwicked | POTHEAD`, go read it, or shut up |
| 19:31.47 | greycat | Type 'zip' and it shows you the short version of the manual. |
| 19:31.53 | dragon | but meh, too complicated again |
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| 19:31.58 | greycat | But be sure you really want to make a PKZIP file and not for example a .tar.gz file. |
| 19:32.02 | hid3nax | When copying files to my 36 GB SCSI disk I got errors like this: (scsi2:A:1:0): parity error detected in Data-in phase. SEQADDR(0x74) SCSIRATE(0xc2). Is it a hardware problem or a software one? |
| 19:32.05 | everwicked | man, this guy is trolling #linux too |
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| 19:32.54 | everwicked | how can I install the command-not-found package? it doesn't seem to be available in lenny |
| 19:33.14 | Justin_ | heh, does that count as irony? |
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| 19:33.34 | everwicked | Justin_, ? :) |
| 19:33.37 | jelly | hid3nax: it sounds like hardware / cabling to me |
| 19:33.53 | Justin_ | junix: versions command-not-found |
| 19:33.58 | wols | jelly: don't you hate it if people go channel shopping with their questions |
| 19:34.00 | Justin_ | grrrr |
| 19:34.00 | acu | how can you stop ping from scrolling |
| 19:34.05 | Justin_ | judd: versions command-not-found |
| 19:34.06 | judd | Justin_: command-not-found -- sid: 0.2.26-1 squeeze: 0.2.26-1 sid: 0.2.38-1 squeeze: 0.2.38-1 |
| 19:34.12 | wols | acu: |less |
| 19:34.16 | Justin_ | everwicked: not in lenny |
| 19:34.24 | _SKiTZO | acu: say the number of pings |
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| 19:34.30 | _SKiTZO | and then it will stop after that |
| 19:34.40 | Justin_ | i think the answer he is looking for is 'control-c' |
| 19:34.45 | _SKiTZO | LOL |
| 19:34.47 | everwicked | Justin_, hm, what's the recommended way to install it on lenny then? |
| 19:34.59 | jelly | everwicked: probably /msg dpkg ssb |
| 19:34.59 | dragon | The program 'command-not-found' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing: |
| 19:34.59 | dragon | sudo apt-get install command-not-found |
| 19:34.59 | dragon | bash: command-not-found: command not found |
| 19:35.07 | wols | everwicked: there is a zip package, that's all |
| 19:35.17 | _SKiTZO | actually if you run ping from initrd shell it wont let you ctr+c so it pings forever. |
| 19:35.33 | everwicked | tries that /msg |
| 19:35.37 | acu | I started ping and it pings continually = how do I quit |
| 19:35.44 | _SKiTZO | acu |
| 19:35.45 | jelly | _SKiTZO: there's also ctrl-z (suspend) or ctrl-\ (quit) |
| 19:35.48 | _SKiTZO | conytrol + c |
| 19:36.00 | _SKiTZO | jelly: i know that bot none worked |
| 19:36.00 | hid3nax | jelly: might the error/problem be because my first scsi disk is connected NOT to the closest port to terminator? That one port is broken so it's connected to next one. |
| 19:36.18 | Justin_ | broken? |
| 19:36.35 | _SKiTZO | acu: as in the keyboard combination of the CTRL key and the C key |
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| 19:36.42 | jelly | hid3nax: uh... I've forgotten everything I knew about scsi cabling! And it wasn't much. |
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| 19:36.46 | acu | OK ctrl c works thanks |
| 19:37.06 | hid3nax | oh. Thanks anyway... |
| 19:37.08 | _SKiTZO | acu: that works for alot of commands |
| 19:37.19 | hid3nax | Those damn SCSI cables are way too expensive! |
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| 19:37.42 | jelly | hid3nax: I think you'd want to put the disk as close to the hba as you can. |
| 19:37.43 | _SKiTZO | you can also pause commands with ctrl+z and then start them with %1 %2 etc (%1 is the first paused command) |
| 19:37.58 | jelly | hid3nax: assuming a single device on the chain |
| 19:38.03 | acu | I am trying to install squeeze from daily and it does not work - it seem that I have to add as a DNS my router IP - how can I add a DNS - I have only console |
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| 19:39.07 | dkr | acu: edit /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:39.48 | junix | ok i seem to be having some trouble, i just did an update, proftpd will not start now. I can see nothing in the syslog, or the proftpd logs |
| 19:39.54 | junix | has anyone else run into this |
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| 19:42.00 | keith4 | junix: no, because the rest of us stopped using ftp in 1998 |
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| 19:42.11 | greycat | or wish we had. |
| 19:42.12 | junix | keith4: that's wonderful |
| 19:42.21 | junix | but i really could use some help |
| 19:42.29 | keith4 | does it run under inetd? |
| 19:42.33 | greycat | in my case, I switched from proftpd to vsftpd for the anon FTP server we needed to set up |
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| 19:43.21 | junix | keith4: no its standalone |
| 19:43.36 | junix | greycat: this isn't anon |
| 19:43.41 | greycat | junix: sh -x /etc/init.d/proftpd start |
| 19:43.43 | keith4 | run it manually, instead of using the init.d script |
| 19:43.50 | keith4 | see if it reports anything |
| 19:43.54 | acu | thanks dkr nano /etc/resolv.conf worked |
| 19:44.06 | dragon | What's recommended? apt-proxy or apt-cacher? |
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| 19:46.00 | junix | everythihng came up fine |
| 19:46.21 | keith4 | who did you listen to? me? or greycat? |
| 19:46.47 | acu | the most unintuitive program I have ever seen is aptitude - I just cannot get how to navigate and install what I want - |
| 19:46.49 | junix | keith4: i've tried running it manually, no dice, and i ran the command from greycat |
| 19:47.09 | keith4 | so, go see what's in the proftpd init.d script |
| 19:47.13 | acu | I want to install kde - how should I do it - if I want apt-get install kde |
| 19:47.21 | acu | it tells me is notthere |
| 19:47.24 | greycat | junix: the only difference between mine and the standard "/etc/init.d/proftpd start" is that mine shows you the commands it executes, so that if it bombs out, you'll know where. |
| 19:47.31 | keith4 | !tell acu about search |
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| 19:48.29 | junix | greycat: it doesn'tr look like it bombed out, with that command |
| 19:48.38 | junix | would it display stuff in yellow and red? |
| 19:48.45 | greycat | how the hell would I know? |
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| 19:48.57 | greycat | does "ftp localhost" work now? |
| 19:49.13 | greycat | how were you starting it BEFORE, that didn't work? |
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| 19:49.33 | junix | i think i was doing it manually |
| 19:50.21 | greycat | meaning what? "cd /; /usr/sbin/proftpd please start pretty please"? |
| 19:51.08 | RichiH | for the record, proftpd has a very bad track record with security and vsftpd is most likely better |
| 19:51.14 | junix | i would get in as root and just start the SOB |
| 19:51.23 | ukl | Hello. How can I get gnome-shell (might affect gnome+metacity, too) to recognize my changed PATH variable? I set it using "export PATH=..." in ~/.xsessionrc and bash recognizes the changes (that are _not_ in .bashrc or any other bash file) |
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| 19:51.35 | Justin_ | what is .xsessionrc? |
| 19:51.49 | greycat | junix: you sneered at the monitor with your manly sneer of manly process invocation? |
| 19:51.59 | mike934934 | i tried to install debian last night, it was a nightmare |
| 19:52.00 | valdyn | ukl: nothing reads ~/.xsessionrc |
| 19:52.01 | greycat | or did you type something on the keyboard? |
| 19:52.20 | ukl | valdyn: some script in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ does |
| 19:52.32 | mike934934 | in first instance i tried to write the .img (for live debian) to a flashdrive, but accidently wrote the img to a partition of my laptop |
| 19:52.37 | mike934934 | i fixed that |
| 19:52.38 | Justin_ | ukl: which |
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| 19:52.57 | ukl | valdyn: 40x11-common_xsessionrc |
| 19:53.09 | mike934934 | but then, when i tried to install debian-lenny-kde-cd1 to my laptop.... it found my sda HD.... |
| 19:53.22 | mike934934 | and showed the size, but it didnt show a partition where i could install it on |
| 19:53.26 | Justin_ | interesting |
| 19:54.05 | valdyn | ukl: im blind i guess, i only see $USERXSESSIONRC |
| 19:54.17 | mike934934 | my table looks like this <partition1: primary, sda1 60gb, ntfs win7) <partition2: primary sda2, UNPARTITIONED SPACE> <partition3: sda2 windows7 boot file crap, 35meg> |
| 19:54.46 | ehnvis | ukl: PATH variables should be set in bashrc or profile not in the X/Xsession files |
| 19:54.49 | ukl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.07 | mike934934 | the guided partitioning part of the nistaller did not show me an option to use the available space |
| 19:55.08 | ukl | Xsession sets $USERXSESSIONRC |
| 19:55.16 | ix | Is there any way to se which files are being read on an NFS server? |
| 19:55.26 | ix | s/se/sse/ |
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| 19:55.29 | ix | s/sse/see/ |
| 19:55.31 | ix | damn. |
| 19:55.32 | valdyn | ukl: in which way would gnome-shell be affected by that $PATH? |
| 19:55.45 | valdyn | ukl: or are you really talking about shells started from gnome-shell? |
| 19:56.13 | ukl | valdyn: shells started from gnome-shell seem to work, Alt+F2 should find things in ~/bin/ |
| 19:56.18 | edoceo-fluorine_ | Splashy hasn't been updated since december 2008? Is that project still active? |
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| 19:56.36 | valdyn | ukl: are you also using gdm? |
| 19:56.37 | ukl | valdyn: well, anyway, if .profile works, I'll use that. thanks. |
| 19:56.42 | ukl | valdyn: yes |
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| 19:56.44 | edoceo-fluorine_ | The tarball for 0.3.13 extracts to 0.3.11 and `make` fails with -Wall |
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| 19:57.04 | valdyn | ukl: gdm letse you select the X Session, which one is selected? |
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| 19:57.23 | ukl | valdyn: gnome |
| 19:57.36 | valdyn | ukl: select the "default X Session" |
| 19:57.41 | ehnvis | ukl: ~/bin is a default path, shouldnt need to set it manually |
| 19:57.46 | valdyn | ukl: or similar, i dont recall the literal name |
| 19:58.03 | ukl | valdyn: yes, there's another value I wanted to add (usr/local/whatever/bin) |
| 19:58.06 | valdyn | ukl: ~/.xsession is only used in that case, same for ~/.xsessionrc I would guess |
| 19:58.27 | ukl | ok, thanks. I'll investigate it further if .profile fails :) |
| 19:58.36 | valdyn | ukl: so you put "exec gnome-session" into ~/.xsession |
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| 19:59.44 | ukl | valdyn: .profile is fine. thanks again for your help. |
| 19:59.49 | ukl | bye :) |
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| 20:01.04 | puff | Is there a way to list the packages and see which ones are not dependencies of any other? |
| 20:01.37 | keith4 | puff: apt-get autoremove will show you |
| 20:01.45 | keith4 | or... debfoster, if you're into old-school |
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| 20:02.11 | puff | keith4: I don't want to remove them, just figure out which ones were not installed because they were dependencies. |
| 20:02.20 | puff | keith4: I'm trying to rebuild a system. |
| 20:02.24 | greycat | debfoster is the newfangled fancy version of deborphan |
| 20:03.05 | keith4 | puff: well, it will ask for confirmation |
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| 20:03.05 | puff | keith4: I have system A, on etch, old hardware, old hosting arrangement, and something is b0rken with the package dependencies. |
| 20:03.19 | keith4 | oh |
| 20:03.20 | keith4 | hmm |
| 20:03.34 | puff | keith4: I have to move to a new set of hardware in a new hosting arrangement. I'm trying to figure out the best way to do this, hopefully reinstalling from scratch so I can avoid b0rking things again. |
| 20:03.50 | mike934934 | please.. anyone? > |
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| 20:04.09 | TheJoe | Ok what the hell now I have no simultaneous output |
| 20:04.15 | mike934934 | i would like to install leny on my laptop, i have available space, but the guided partitioning/manual doesnt show the free space |
| 20:04.22 | mike934934 | or the / ext3 linux partitino |
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| 20:05.28 | puff | So etch is about to exit the support window, in feb. That means I should move to lenny? |
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| 20:06.18 | greycat | puff: ideally, yes. |
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| 20:07.57 | puff | so, given my situation, any suggestions or recommendations as to upgrading? |
| 20:08.08 | greycat | /msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 20:08.24 | puff | I guess I could just snapshot the old system and install the packages I think I want/need, making it up as I go along. |
| 20:08.37 | greycat | "... the old system"?? |
| 20:09.47 | puff | greycat: I have system A, on etch, old hardware, old hosting arrangement, and something is b0rken with the package dependencies. |
| 20:09.48 | puff | greycat: I have to move to a new set of hardware in a new hosting arrangement. I'm trying to figure out the best way to do this, hopefully reinstalling from scratch so I can avoid b0rking things again. |
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| 20:10.21 | puff | If I just do "dpkg --get-selections" and try to pipe that into "dpkg --set-selections" on the new machine, I get this:http://debian.pastebin.com/d611baebb |
| 20:10.21 | greycat | ah, sounds like a project. |
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| 20:10.33 | puff | Yeah... |
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| 20:10.50 | greycat | puff: you'd want to edit the resulting package list and remove obviously-wrong things like "linux-image-2.4.28" or whatever |
| 20:10.52 | puff | I'm trying to write it up as a tutorial, to help future generations :-) |
| 20:10.56 | puff | http://darksleep.com/notablog/articles/Migrating_To_New_Hardware |
| 20:10.59 | puff | Input solicited. |
| 20:11.01 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 20:11.26 | puff | greycat: Yeah, problem is the list is just a flat list of 800 packages, with no indication of relationship. |
| 20:12.25 | greycat | that's WAY too many packages. |
| 20:12.36 | greycat | I agree with the "start over from scratch" approach at this point. |
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| 20:12.48 | tuxcrafter | hi all, i got a debian server with 4 netwerkinterfaces that i like to have seprate dhcp servers (other ip-ranges,gateways etcetra) is this possible to dot with standard debian packages and configuration |
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| 20:13.15 | puff | Or I could try to sort out the broken dependencies. |
| 20:13.20 | greycat | although I guess one of our servers here has nearly 800 :( |
| 20:13.39 | greycat | silly Debian and their "let's split it into 37 packages" philosophy |
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| 20:13.49 | tuxcrafter | so i normaly got dhcpd.conf and use it for one interfaces |
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| 20:14.00 | tuxcrafter | but i need 4 of those configurations |
| 20:14.02 | Titan8990 | greycat, its to get around the fact they don't have gentoo USE flags :) |
| 20:14.19 | NeoLobst1r | Is there a good way to figure out why a server rebooted randomly if a datacenter claims nothing happened to the power? |
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| 20:14.37 | greycat | when I was still installing Debian on laptops for a specific purpose, I had a 350-line "dpkg-selections-etch" list. |
| 20:14.37 | Titan8990 | NeoLobst1r, dmesg would be a start |
| 20:14.50 | NeoLobst1r | Titan8990: dmesg only shows messages since boot, doesn't it? |
| 20:14.55 | tuxcrafter | i know i can set multipe interfaces in /etc/default/dhcp3-server but will it run diffrent configurations? |
| 20:15.00 | greycat | The -sarge version is 232 lines. |
| 20:15.11 | greycat | So you can see how the number of packages has swelled (both lists are equivalent functionally). |
| 20:15.41 | Titan8990 | NeoLobst1r, yes, but it should be rotated, e.g. /var/log/dmesg.0 |
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| 20:16.02 | NeoLobst1r | Titan8990: shows nothing except the previous successful bootup on this machine :-/ |
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| 20:17.32 | puff | NeoLobst1r: Look at the time of bootup, grep the files in /var/log for log statements near that time. |
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| 20:17.53 | puff | NeoLobst1r: Start with /var/log/syslog. |
| 20:18.06 | danderson | Hi all. |
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| 20:18.31 | puff | NeoLobst1r: You'll almost certainly find that you have to build up a list of grep filters to exclude obvious messages (MTA log statements, DNs log statements) until what you have left should show anything suspicious. |
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| 20:18.33 | danderson | Is there an equivalent command to dh_make to generate an empty skeleton debian package tree, without having to provide a source package? |
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| 20:19.10 | puff | Hm, that suggests to me a good idea... an on-boot script that takes a snapshot of the past five minutes of log entries. |
| 20:19.13 | danderson | case in point, I need a package that only applies configuration and tweaks the system a little, so my package is a couple of shell scripts and postinst stuff. And I'd rather not puzzle out the whole standard structure of debian/ unassisted :) |
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| 20:25.06 | sthon | What could cause ifdown to not bring an interface down? no errors are given |
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| 20:26.51 | Titan8990 | auto-hotplug maybe? |
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| 20:29.13 | sthon | Titan8990: nope... |
| 20:29.15 | babilen | puff: You might be interesed in the list of manually installed packages: 'aptitude search ~i\!~M |
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| 20:29.21 | sthon | and the interface isn't set to auto |
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| 20:30.28 | Titan8990 | sthon, is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 20:30.42 | sthon | Titan8990: yes |
| 20:31.10 | puff | babilen: Thanks. |
| 20:32.11 | superjoe | what could cause every window in gnome to blink violently and the cursor to jiggle around erratically? |
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| 20:32.17 | babilen | puff: this might help to actually pick the packages *you* need to install and might be easier to filter then the --get-se ... |
| 20:32.22 | edoceo-fluorine_ | I'm trying to build Splashy - but that think is missing magic.h file! |
| 20:32.58 | superjoe | this started happening after some squeeze updates when my laptop tries to turn off the laptop screen when I close the lid |
| 20:33.15 | puff | babilen: Okay, so that gived sme a list of 636 packages, instead of 817 :-). |
| 20:33.26 | babilen | puff: at least ... |
| 20:33.30 | sthon | I'll see if a reboot resolves it |
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| 20:33.59 | puff | Good lord, according to thi sI installed adduser manually? |
| 20:34.10 | abrotman | 'this' ? |
| 20:34.17 | puff | Yes. |
| 20:34.28 | babilen | puff: ok, forget about that list. It might be wrong due to "apt-get" vs "aptitude" |
| 20:34.48 | puff | babilen: Hm, or I might have built this system u sing dpg --get-selection | dpkg --set-selection |
| 20:35.23 | puff | I guess I could run that on both the old box and th enew box and then exclude the union. |
| 20:35.37 | puff | E.g. what packages does the old box have in the manually-installed list, that aren't already on the new box. |
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| 20:36.18 | f00bar80 | babilen, "install the GRUB boot loader on a hard disk" it seems that this new installation is the only os on this computer. if so it should be safe to install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record first hard drive , install the GRUB boot loader to the master boot record ? yes/ no <- that's what i got what should i select and where should it be installed "GRUB" ? |
| 20:36.40 | babilen | f00bar80: 'yes' ;-) |
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| 20:37.34 | babilen | f00bar80: i see you made some progress :-D |
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| 20:38.24 | babilen | puff: Why don't you just install one service at a time? You will end up with a system better tailored to your needs then ... |
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| 20:38.28 | smacnay | do the generic libvdpau1 drivers now supplant the nvidia-lbdvpau1 drivers? |
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| 20:38.59 | f00bar80 | babilen, "installing to hd0 , installation is complete, so it's time to boot into your new system, make sure to remove the installation media (CD floppies) so you boot into the system rather than restarting the installation" now what should i do with the usb stick |
| 20:39.07 | morie_ko | I have a Domain name a static ip and a debian server, could any one get me started on having this as my domain controller |
| 20:39.13 | f00bar80 | babilen, hit continue then remove the usb ? |
| 20:39.26 | morie_ko | I am using go daddy |
| 20:39.31 | babilen | f00bar80: yes |
| 20:40.04 | morie_ko | I have a mac and a couple PCs and an ubuntu box |
| 20:40.12 | morie_ko | I want them to be all on the same domain |
| 20:40.16 | morie_ko | I am using one router |
| 20:40.27 | morie_ko | so the network is not complex |
| 20:40.59 | f00bar80 | babilen, while reboot, i got "3" on a black screen . :-S ... :(:( |
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| 20:42.08 | babilen | f00bar80: That is "Disk read error" |
| 20:42.21 | babilen | f00bar80: can you actually do anything? |
| 20:42.44 | f00bar80 | babilen, no :( |
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| 20:43.30 | f00bar80 | babilen, what do you suggest ? |
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| 20:44.40 | babilen | f00bar80: Boot from the stick again, chroot into the system, paste your grub config ... |
| 20:45.31 | babilen | f00bar80: But i need to work for a while now ... I would hope somebody else can help you. OK? |
| 20:46.12 | f00bar80 | babilen, now i have /ubnkern initrd=/ubninit video=vesa,,,, how to chroot |
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| 20:48.22 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? |
| 20:49.02 | babilen | f00bar80: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ#Q.3ACanIused-iasarescuesystem.3FWhatpitfallsarethere.3F |
| 20:49.29 | puff | babilen: Yeah, that's the way I'm leaning, I just don't want to forget things. |
| 20:49.40 | babilen | puff: sure ... |
| 20:49.55 | babilen | f00bar80: good luck ... bbl |
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| 20:50.10 | Stevenx | Hi |
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| 20:51.53 | puff | Dang: http://debian.pastebin.com/d5cc91fd3 |
| 20:52.05 | puff | "rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(420)" |
| 20:52.08 | aidehua | What rodent can be kept as a pet and is smaller than a loaf of bread? (And isn't a mouse, rat or guinea pig?) |
| 20:52.09 | Stevenx | I got a Samsung NC10 with Debian Lenny running here. I want to install madwifi and added "deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list. When running apt-get update I get multiple IGN errors. What am I doing wrong? |
| 20:53.06 | greycat | hamster? |
| 20:53.30 | aidehua | Amazing. I was on question sixteen of twenty questions. |
| 20:53.47 | aidehua | Also, greycat in #debian! Have I gone back in time five years accidentally?! |
| 20:54.07 | aidehua | What about the wizards and the castle etc.? :) |
| 20:54.25 | greycat | the fable was written open-ended for a reason |
| 20:54.48 | adb | Stevenx, madwifi is in lenny , why needs unstable then ? |
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| 20:54.51 | aidehua | Is it updated with an [open ended] happy ending? |
| 20:54.59 | greycat | no |
| 20:54.59 | f00bar80 | how to chroot with installer ? |
| 20:55.35 | greycat | f00bar80: if the issue is getting a working /dev inside the chroot, there's something called a "bind mount" that you can do before the chroot. |
| 20:55.50 | aidehua | greycat: Can you link me to the fable? I've forgotten where it is (or how to find it). |
| 20:56.17 | Stevenx | adb when trying to install madwifi-tools, apt-get won´t find it |
| 20:56.19 | f00bar80 | greycat, i want to modify the grub config |
| 20:56.21 | greycat | !fable |
| 20:56.21 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/TheFable? |
| 20:56.48 | adb | Stevenx, fix your source for lenny |
| 20:56.54 | greycat | the ? doesn't need to be there |
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| 20:57.00 | f00bar80 | greycat, as i'm stuck with unbootable installation and an installer on usb stick |
| 20:57.07 | Raven737 | Hi again.. so i am trying to install debian onto a dell (r710) server... created a net boot with bnx2 and qlogic firmware.. at boot though i get the error http://raven.is-a-geek.net/AllowView/qlogic_error.PNG What is going on? |
| 20:57.21 | adb | !tell Stevenx -about sources |
| 20:57.26 | greycat | f00bar80: then you'll definitely need a usable /dev, so ask someone else how to do that mount --bind thing. |
| 20:57.48 | Justin_ | Raven737: that on a san or something? |
| 20:57.50 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ??? |
| 20:58.19 | Raven737 | Justin_: now, just has a fibrechannel card "just in case" |
| 20:58.31 | greycat | And stop talking like a 13 year old. |
| 20:58.49 | Justin_ | Raven737: looks like it detected sdb, but tha partition table never showed up... |
| 20:58.54 | adb | greycat, maybe he is :) |
| 20:59.05 | greycat | !bind mount |
| 20:59.06 | dpkg | If you want to bind mount a directory somewhere else: mount -t $filesystem --bind /dev /chrooted/system/dev (for example). $filesystem is whatever FS that directory is mounted as, be it tmpfs or jfs or .... read man mount (and do /bind) for details. |
| 20:59.08 | puff | adb: That can happen... |
| 20:59.33 | adb | puff, sure |
| 20:59.46 | puff | adb: All I'm saying is, when somebody starts trash-talking you on counterstrike, carefully consider what their real age might be, before unleashing the truly vile counter-trash-talk. |
| 20:59.53 | Raven737 | Justin_: yes, i think it is that phantom 8g drive |
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| 21:00.27 | Justin_ | Raven737: what does fdisk -l show? |
| 21:00.39 | Raven737 | Justin_: ohh when i installed i was asked what parition table type i would like... what should i have picked? |
| 21:00.53 | Stevenx | adb It worked. Thanks for the help! |
| 21:01.09 | Raven737 | Justin_: fdisk is not found in the reduced shell thing i am in now :( |
| 21:02.17 | Justin_ | Raven737: try 'busybox fdisk -l' |
| 21:02.20 | Raven737 | Justin_>\: default partition table type was msdos.. but gtp sounded way cooler so i picked that ;-0 |
| 21:02.26 | superjoe | what could cause every window in gnome to blink violently and the cursor to jiggle around erratically? |
| 21:02.27 | superjoe | this started happening after some squeeze updates when my laptop tries to turn off the laptop screen when I close the lid |
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| 21:03.01 | puff | Hm, so somebody on #rsync suggests updating rsync. however, when I try "sudo aptitude install rsync", I get the python traceback error I've been trying to get rid of. |
| 21:03.08 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? i'm stuck with unbootable installation and an installer on usb stick how to chroot and modify the grub config |
| 21:03.17 | subopt | How do i make my mouse buttons 4 and 5 do the same thing as button 2 (paste) ? |
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| 21:03.33 | Raven737 | Justin_: it says fdisk: applet not found |
| 21:03.35 | puff | I think aptitude is trying complete some old task that's been hanging around. Is there any way I can tell aptitude to ignore that and just install the most recent version of rsync? |
| 21:03.43 | Justin_ | Raven737: oh, scratch that idea then |
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| 21:04.36 | Raven737 | Justin_: i can just try to reinstall with another partition table type.. what should i pick? |
| 21:04.36 | puff | Help/ |
| 21:04.38 | puff | Help? |
| 21:04.47 | Justin_ | Raven737: msdos |
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| 21:05.06 | Raven737 | Justin_: ok will try that now.. hoping it will work :) |
| 21:05.19 | tzanger | good afternoon; is this the place to find emdebian help as well? (not the distro, the cross compiling packages) |
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| 21:05.47 | Raven737 | Justin_: thanks for the tutorial on how to intigrate the firmware, it was a big help!! |
| 21:05.53 | mmalleis | I am trying to reset a root password on debian |
| 21:06.02 | puff | Argh... old box has rsync 2.6.4, new box has rsync e2.6.9. But the old box has some broken debian package dependnecies, which is sabotaging my attempt to upgrade rsync on the old box. |
| 21:06.05 | mmalleis | I set the boot to init=/bin/bash |
| 21:06.15 | puff | Is it feasible to downgrade the new box's rsync to 2.6.4? |
| 21:06.35 | mmalleis | I get an error that says authentication token lock busy |
| 21:06.54 | mmalleis | when i run passwd from the root command prompt |
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| 21:07.01 | mmalleis | what am i doning wrong? |
| 21:07.58 | Justin_ | mmalleis: you didn't remount the filesystem rw? |
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| 21:08.32 | mmalleis | i didn't how do I do that? |
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| 21:08.58 | ix | Any idea on what could be causing this?: http://nfs.pastebin.com/m6ac4b4ba - I upgraded from Debian Etch AMD64 to Debian Lenny on the diskless client root system and booted the system keeping the same kernel. |
| 21:09.15 | ix | The same upgrade has been done on a similar system, and there I experienced no issues at all. |
| 21:09.50 | mmalleis | justin_: how do I go about doing that? |
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| 21:11.20 | f00bar80 | i'm using debian stable netinstall, can anyone tell me how to chroot from the installer (Unetbootin) bootloader |
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| 21:12.02 | ix | start an extra terminal (alt-f2), run mount, chroot into target folder (often /target)? |
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| 21:12.26 | wols | f00bar80: chrooting to your normal linux install? |
| 21:12.57 | wols | cause if you have a linux install on a partition, all you need to do is a rescue boot. far far easier to do stuff there |
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| 21:13.24 | karrotx | I'm trying to scp: `scp file.tar server.com:` and it's returning: "command-line: line 0: Bad configuration option: PermitLocalCommand |
| 21:13.24 | karrotx | lost connection" |
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| 21:13.57 | karrotx | i've searched google and restarted ssh (worth a shot); so far nothing has worked |
| 21:14.35 | f00bar80 | wols, what i have by the installer UNetbootin Default > /ubnkern initrd=/ubninit video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 installgui_ what should i append/replace this with ? |
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| 21:15.12 | Scurz | hi |
| 21:15.17 | f00bar80 | wols, how to do this rescue boot |
| 21:15.35 | dutchfish | how to find the debian package/service is that sending wrong dns A queries with result nxdomain in a gvien debian system? |
| 21:15.54 | dutchfish | s/is that/that is |
| 21:16.22 | Xenguy | karrotx: last argument needs a userid prepended ? |
| 21:16.30 | Scurz | I'm in dual-screen with gnome and xrandr, I would like to know, how to get two work spaces, in the same time, one space on one screen, another on the second screenm any idea ? |
| 21:16.39 | jhutchins_lt | Is there a way to run the installer from another distro without booting to a CD? |
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| 21:16.52 | karrotx | Xenguy: typo, user@server.com |
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| 21:17.09 | wols | f00bar80: in the boot menu under advanced |
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| 21:18.12 | f00bar80 | wols, i'm in the installer ans pasted what i have currently , no menus nothing |
| 21:18.20 | f00bar80 | wols, what i have by the installer is UNetbootin Default > /ubnkern initrd=/ubninit video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 installgui_ what should i append/replace this with ? |
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| 21:18.58 | rodyaj | could someone check out my paste on #flood? nvidia-legacy-96xx wants to remove xorg when I try to install it from unstable on a testing system. |
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| 21:19.58 | Xenguy | karrotx: with a colon on the end? e.g. -> scp file.tar userid@server.com: |
| 21:19.59 | Xenguy | ? |
| 21:20.18 | karrotx | yes |
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| 21:20.58 | Xenguy | karrotx: then it should work; I don't recognize that error, hopefully google does |
| 21:21.11 | karrotx | it does, but there's no valid solution |
| 21:21.40 | puff | Is there any way to force aptitude to install just the package you're asking for, and its dependencies, and not try to finsh any other installs that are hanging around? |
| 21:21.42 | f00bar80 | wols, hello |
| 21:21.50 | Xenguy | karrotx: to me it looks like a bad line in a configuration file |
| 21:21.56 | karrotx | right |
| 21:22.03 | Xenguy | karrotx: but just a guess |
| 21:22.03 | karrotx | ssh_config is blank |
| 21:22.42 | f00bar80 | i'm now in a interactuve shell through the installer where can i find grub ? |
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| 21:23.11 | puff | Is there a way to install a specific version of a package? |
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| 21:24.19 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment . |
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| 21:25.05 | Xenguy | karrotx: I don't think ssh_config should be blank; do you know why it is blank? |
| 21:25.10 | greycat | puff: download it and use dpkg -i |
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| 21:25.48 | mmalleis | my debian box has been hacked. when I boot up it says that it has started a failsafe xterm session. any idea what could cause this? |
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| 21:26.00 | Scurz | nobody for my question ? |
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| 21:28.10 | Xenguy | karrotx: in any case, I expect that explains your problem. You need to get your hands on a default ssh_config file perhaps |
| 21:28.25 | karrotx | Xenguy: it runs only default confiigs that way |
| 21:28.36 | karrotx | it's not technically blank; however everything else is comments |
| 21:29.10 | wols | f00bar80: is this debian? are you trying to reinstall your grub bootloader into the MBR? |
| 21:29.16 | mmalleis | what do the different rc#.d levels stand for on ubuntu? |
| 21:29.25 | wols | mmalleis: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:29.26 | greycat | how would we know? ask #ubuntu |
| 21:29.34 | mmalleis | woops, I meant debian |
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| 21:29.42 | greycat | I'm not even sure if ubuntu USES rc.d any more. |
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| 21:29.50 | mmalleis | long day |
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| 21:30.17 | f00bar80 | wols, yes using UNetbootin from a usb stick |
| 21:30.39 | f00bar80 | wols, installed but i think grub needs to be modified |
| 21:30.51 | mmalleis | what are they on debian, and is there any way I could see a sample of what they should look like? |
| 21:30.53 | wols | f00bar80: run grub-install again |
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| 21:31.45 | wols | mmalleis: debian uses standard sysv and rc2 to rc5 are not really defined. by default they're all the same |
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| 21:31.58 | mmalleis | standard sysv? |
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| 21:32.51 | mmalleis | so rc1 is single user and rc2 is normal boot up? |
| 21:32.56 | greycat | System V Unix |
| 21:33.01 | greycat | yes, 2 is the default run level. |
| 21:33.02 | mmalleis | okay |
| 21:33.26 | mmalleis | is there anywhere I could find a sample of what should be in there? |
| 21:33.28 | xNinja | hello |
| 21:33.34 | greycat | the whole concept of numbered "run levels" with different sets of services is from SysV Unix and is a bit silly IMHO |
| 21:34.06 | greycat | the rationale seems to be "sometimes I want to boot the machine but only have parts of it up and running" |
| 21:34.26 | xNinja | when using netstat i see a lot of duplicates of ips/hosts how to sort that |
| 21:34.56 | mmalleis | my gui is not starting properly. I think something in the rc directories might have been changed |
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| 21:35.42 | greycat | the only thing that would be GUI-related that would be in the start-up system at all would be a xdm-analogue. |
| 21:35.49 | puff | greycat: Hm, googling on rsync 2.6.4, it looks like my problem may actually be a bug in 2.6.4, so downgrading the destination box to rsync 2.6.4 is probably not going to fixit. |
| 21:36.41 | puff | http://debian.pastebin.com/d2b5a8df8 |
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| 21:39.02 | f00bar80 | wols, /bin/sh grub-install: not found |
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| 21:39.48 | greycat | Did you literally type "/bin/sh grub-install" at some point? If so, why? |
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| 21:40.16 | asaleem | I want to combine some 25 files with spaces in them with cat. I tried for in in `ls`;do cat $i>>new_file;done. does not work |
| 21:40.37 | greycat | asaleem: cat * > ../new_file |
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| 21:40.49 | greycat | asaleem: now what's the REAL question? |
| 21:41.36 | asaleem | greycat, How do I cat files when they contain spaces in them? |
| 21:42.00 | asaleem | greycat, your earlier will do my purpose, thanks |
| 21:42.02 | puff | greycat: I think he means the filenames have spaces. |
| 21:42.30 | asaleem | greycat, just wanted to know how we operate on files with spaces in it with a for loop |
| 21:42.38 | greycat | puff: and "cat *" covers that just fine, so his loop is pointless (as well as wrong) |
| 21:42.49 | greycat | asaleem: if you have to loop, then you still use * instead of `ls` |
| 21:42.59 | greycat | asaleem: for f in *; do stat "$f"; done .... |
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| 21:43.34 | asaleem | greycat, thanks |
| 21:43.49 | cobra-the-joker | hey guys ...is there is a private mode for iceweasel ? |
| 21:44.53 | puff | cobra-the-joker: Probably just install the distrust app. |
| 21:44.59 | f00bar80 | i installed debian from usb stick with a bootable debian stable netinstall by UNetbootin, when installation has been completed i got stuck with unbootable installation and an installer on usb stick , any comment ? any way on how to chroot and modify the grub config if thus may fix the issue |
| 21:44.59 | puff | cobra-the-joker: Probably just install the distrust add-on. |
| 21:45.38 | cobra-the-joker | puff , ok |
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| 21:46.22 | dutchfish | Does someone now how to find the debian package/service that is sending wrong dns A queries with result nxdomain in a given debian system? |
| 21:47.26 | adb | !tell f00bar80 -about fixmbr |
| 21:47.48 | puff | dutchfish: Not sure, but if I had to start from scratch, I'd use netstat to find the process that's sending the queries, lsof to find the files that process is using, then dpkg to find out what those files belong to. |
| 21:47.55 | dutchfish | in my case its doing A? for .domian.tld (mind the leading . ; wich is wrong) |
| 21:48.09 | greycat | what do you mean by "wrong dns A queries"? |
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| 21:48.20 | greycat | malformed? |
| 21:48.24 | dutchfish | yep |
| 21:48.52 | greycat | if they're malformed, then it's a libc bug unless for some ungodly reason the package itself implemented its own raw packet code |
| 21:49.12 | greycat | if you just mean "receives an NXDOMAIN response" then who the fuck CARES? |
| 21:49.32 | dutchfish | greycat, like this: sa.internal.domain > ws-151.sa.internal.40184: 6979 NXDomain* q: A? =.sa.internal. 0/1/0 ns: sa.internal. SOA[|domain] |
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| 21:50.07 | greycat | it would be like setting a kernel trap for any process that does an open() and receives ENOENT |
| 21:50.25 | greycat | dutchfish: I can't read that. Sorry. I have no idea what you're saying there. |
| 21:50.29 | dutchfish | greycat, if evey debian system does that (15 queries a sec) and you have a large net, go figure |
| 21:50.40 | babilen | f00bar80: follow the instruction given to you by dpkg, you might have to change /dev/hda to something like /dev/sda |
| 21:51.39 | dutchfish | greycat, it might indeed be an lic bug; running debian squeeze/amd64 |
| 21:51.53 | dutchfish | s/lic/libc |
| 21:52.11 | greycat | dutchfish: it looks like it might be "some sort of firewall log, or maybe tcpdump post-processed log". That's all I can guess.... |
| 21:52.23 | dutchfish | greycat, tcpdump |
| 21:52.28 | greycat | I don't even know if it's a report of a problem, or just informative. |
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| 21:53.06 | dutchfish | greycat, the query is wrong it should be sa.internal not .sa.internal for an A query |
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| 21:53.40 | dutchfish | greycat, it got that not from /etc/hostname nor /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 21:53.58 | dutchfish | greycat, not the dhcp server |
| 21:54.13 | dutchfish | greycat, lenny is fine, its only in squeeze (base install) |
| 21:54.21 | greycat | dunno. |
| 21:54.25 | dutchfish | greycat, and only detected this recently |
| 21:55.18 | dutchfish | Greyhound-, the same for ipv6: sa.internal.domain > ws-151.sa.internal.33255: 44084 NXDomain* q: AAAA? =.sa.internal. 0/1/0 ns: sa.internal. SOA[|domain] |
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| 21:55.21 | lac_ | I am trying to install libsdl1.2-dev and I needed to upgrade many packages. Suddenly I am in some screen that is titled 'configuring keyboard configuration' |
| 21:55.33 | f00bar80 | babilen, how to do that from the installer |
| 21:55.34 | dutchfish | Greyhound-, sorry was ment for greycat |
| 21:55.46 | f00bar80 | babilen, what i have by the installer is UNetbootin Default > /ubnkern initrd=/ubninit video=vesa:ywrap,mtrr vga=788 installgui_ what should i append/replace this with ? |
| 21:56.12 | lac_ | it has entries for ibm thinkpads, but not the x40 which this is. |
| 21:56.22 | lac_ | How do I find out what I should select? |
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| 21:56.34 | Greyhound- | no problem, dutchfish :P |
| 21:56.44 | babilen | f00bar80: Just boot the installer like you did for the install and then follow: |
| 21:56.46 | dutchfish | :) |
| 21:56.48 | babilen | !fixmbr |
| 21:56.49 | dpkg | To reinstall <GRUB> simply boot to your Debian install disk, live CD or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; update-grub && grub-install /dev/hda". Also ask me about <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>. |
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| 21:58.29 | babilen | f00bar80: errate: "ext2" -> "ext3" (or whatever you used) and "grub-install /dev/hda" -> "grub-install /dev/whatever" (sda, hda, sdb, ...) |
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| 21:59.47 | f00bar80 | babilen, what i have now, is UNetbootin Default click Tab to change settings and a counter , where should i write this mount -t ... |
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| 22:00.16 | shivraj | Im trying to change my timezone but ntp is not updating |
| 22:00.28 | babilen | f00bar80: You can boot the debian installer, right? Do so! |
| 22:00.29 | Titan8990 | f00bar80, i think unetbootin uses syslinux, not grub |
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| 22:00.54 | f00bar80 | Titan8990, yes |
| 22:01.17 | shivraj | its not saving the time zone, |
| 22:01.19 | babilen | f00bar80: Just boot the Debian installer and alt-f2 |
| 22:01.33 | laurus | To input Chinese on Debian, do I have to bother with locales |
| 22:01.34 | laurus | ? |
| 22:02.03 | Titan8990 | !locales |
| 22:02.03 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/default/locale which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. Use "LANG=C command" to change the output language for a one off command; ask me about <localised errors>. http://wiki.debian.org/Locale |
| 22:02.11 | babilen | laurus: not really. Install scim and the input methods you want (PinYin, ...) and tbe happy |
| 22:02.12 | f00bar80 | babilenm i'm on the Debian installer main menu, when i use alt-f2 nothing happened |
| 22:02.19 | laurus | babilen, great, thanks :) |
| 22:02.50 | laurus | babilen, and install the fonts, correct? |
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| 22:03.54 | babilen | laurus: Yes! What do you need the fonts for? The arphic ones are quite nice. Do you need ZhuYin or PinYin? |
| 22:03.56 | shivraj | Titan8990: how do I change the location ? |
| 22:04.29 | laurus | babilen, what do you mean what do I need them for? Right now all Chinese text shows up as a bunch of boxes on my screen ;) |
| 22:04.30 | Titan8990 | shivraj, not sure, I just knew the correct documentation to point you to |
| 22:04.51 | shivraj | !timezone |
| 22:04.52 | dpkg | somebody said timezone was the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
| 22:05.10 | f00bar80 | babilen, i'm on the Debian installer main menu, when i use alt-f2 nothing happened |
| 22:05.10 | babilen | laurus: I meant something like LaTeX, ... |
| 22:05.13 | Titan8990 | shivraj, oh, the locales thing was meant to be directed laurus |
| 22:05.24 | babilen | f00bar80: text installer? |
| 22:05.27 | laurus | babilen, oh I see :) No, just for web and text input :) |
| 22:05.51 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 22:05.51 | babilen | laurus: Ok, do you type pinyin or zhuyin? |
| 22:05.51 | laurus | Thanks for asking to clarify! :) |
| 22:05.51 | lac_ | !kernel |
| 22:05.54 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091201, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.32-rc8-git3, mainline 2.6: 2.6.32-rc8, stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.6 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.9 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.39 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.7 |
| 22:05.59 | shivraj | Titan8990: I know |
| 22:06.03 | paissad-hp | how must i proceed in order to be able to install this package directly from aptitude or apt-get |
| 22:06.03 | paissad-hp | http://packages.debian.org/sid/libopencore-amrnb-dev |
| 22:06.05 | laurus | babilen, well, hehe |
| 22:06.05 | paissad-hp | i use debian lenny |
| 22:06.06 | laurus | This is a big thing for me |
| 22:06.15 | babilen | !tell lac_ -about self tell |
| 22:06.24 | Titan8990 | !tell paissad-hp about ssb |
| 22:06.28 | babilen | laurus: why? |
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| 22:06.37 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, check out your pm from dpkg |
| 22:06.49 | laurus | babilen, well it's a long story, but recently I've been using the Chewing method with the Hanyu pinyin keyboard setting. |
| 22:06.58 | f00bar80 | babilen, no gui installer |
| 22:06.59 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, ok thanks ...what's the meaning of ssb ? |
| 22:07.00 | laurus | Since that was the only way I could figure out how to enter traditional characters with tones. |
| 22:07.09 | babilen | f00bar80: boot the text installer |
| 22:07.24 | babilen | f00bar80: or try ctrl-alt-f1 or f2 |
| 22:07.41 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, i think its sid source build |
| 22:07.44 | laurus | babilen, I actually prefer zhuyin... |
| 22:07.46 | paissad-hp | ok thx |
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| 22:07.54 | babilen | laurus: You can use pinyin method to enter tones as well .. do you "think" in BoPoMoFo or PinYin or characters? |
| 22:07.58 | laurus | But it takes longer to type it, and I could never enter just the zhuyin characters |
| 22:07.59 | f00bar80 | babilen, yes ctrl-alt-f2 worked |
| 22:08.14 | babilen | !tell f00bar80 -about fixmbr |
| 22:08.32 | laurus | Well babilen I actually like zhuyin better, but some of my Chinese books only have pinyin. I don't like pinyin actually, I find it quite inconsistent compared to zhuyin |
| 22:08.35 | laurus | Which do you use? |
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| 22:09.08 | lac_ | I need to install a newer kernel. What do I read to learn how to do that? |
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| 22:09.16 | f00bar80 | babilen, thanks now what i have to do is mount -t ext2 /dev/hda /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev so what's the target in this ??? |
| 22:09.36 | Terr1 | can anyone recommend a good 4 port sata controller (I dont need any raid) supported in linux atm? |
| 22:10.04 | shivraj | !timezone |
| 22:10.04 | dpkg | [timezone] the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
| 22:10.10 | babilen | laurus: Ok, you should install: scim, scim-chewing (scim-pinyin if you want) ttf-arphic-* (what you need) and xfonts-intl-chinese(-big) |
| 22:10.39 | laurus | Thanks babilen! Do you use zhuyin or pinyin? |
| 22:10.52 | babilen | f00bar80: one command at a time (they are seperated by ; ) |
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| 22:11.36 | babilen | laurus: I learned chinese with pinyin, but spend some time in Taiwan ... i still prefer PinYin (easier for me) but would prefer ZhuYin actually ... |
| 22:11.38 | f00bar80 | babilen, yea i;m asking what's target and whatever in mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target |
| 22:12.08 | babilen | laurus: But my new keyboard misses BoPoMoFo signs on the keys :-( |
| 22:12.08 | laurus | babilen, are you good at inputting zhuyin? Don't you find it kind of slow? |
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| 22:12.13 | laurus | I was using the version where 1qaz = bo po mo fo |
| 22:12.16 | laurus | Yeah, that's the problem... |
| 22:12.21 | laurus | Unless you have those signs, you're in trouble |
| 22:12.35 | babilen | laurus: But this is getting off topic ... |
| 22:12.50 | laurus | Ok my fault :p |
| 22:13.03 | laurus | Let me ask you a more technical question then |
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| 22:13.07 | babilen | laurus: don't worry ... it's fine. Just wanted to point it out :-) |
| 22:13.14 | laurus | How do I type just a zhuyin sign without converting it to a hanzi? |
| 22:13.36 | babilen | f00bar80: create a directory named 'target' : 'mkdir /target' and then follow the instructions from dpkg |
| 22:13.59 | babilen | laurus: just hit space after entering the zhuyin? |
| 22:14.08 | laurus | babilen, with what input method? |
| 22:14.09 | f00bar80 | babilen, and what's the "whatever" ? |
| 22:14.30 | shivraj | ok there we go ... whewww .... |
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| 22:15.12 | babilen | f00bar80: the identifier of your harddrive ... try 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' if that shows your partitions it is 'sda' if not, try the same with hda, hdb, hdc, ..., sda, sdb, sdc, ... |
| 22:15.31 | f00bar80 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:15.58 | babilen | f00bar80: Relax ... |
| 22:16.28 | babilen | laurus: are you a native speaker? |
| 22:16.38 | laurus | babilen, a native English speaker? |
| 22:16.38 | f00bar80 | babilen, /bin/sh fdisk: not found |
| 22:16.47 | babilen | laurus: no, chinese ... |
| 22:16.53 | laurus | babilen, no, hehe |
| 22:16.55 | babilen | f00bar80: /bin/sh ? |
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| 22:17.21 | f00bar80 | yes that's what i got as a console by ctrl-alt-f2 |
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| 22:18.17 | babilen | you type 'fdisk -l' and the error is /bin/sh fdisk: not found? |
| 22:18.35 | f00bar80 | babilen, yes |
| 22:19.02 | epaphus | Hello, i just got a Debian 5.0 ... all i need is to install jre 1.6 on it for an application that will be installed later on that will be accessed via the browser. Is it easy to install this with the browser plugin? |
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| 22:19.25 | babilen | f00bar80: Guess fdisk is not installed ... try mounting '/dev/sda1' to /target |
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| 22:19.55 | valdyn | judd: versions sun-java6-plugin |
| 22:19.55 | judd | valdyn: sun-java6-plugin -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1 sid/non-free: 6-17-1 |
| 22:20.03 | valdyn | epaphus: ^^ |
| 22:20.14 | f00bar80 | babilen, no such device |
| 22:21.13 | babilen | f00bar80: /dev/hda1 ? |
| 22:21.39 | f00bar80 | babilen, always no such device |
| 22:21.51 | f00bar80 | babilen, dmesg should tell ? |
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| 22:22.31 | babilen | f00bar80: ... think! |
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| 22:25.20 | f00bar80 | babilen, it may be only sda ? i got scsi 0:0:0:0 Direct-Access LEXAR.... Driver 'sd'.... sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 1001952 .... sda: sda1 |
| 22:25.40 | cafuego | current kernels don't use hd* at all, all didks use sd* |
| 22:25.47 | cafuego | event ATA disks |
| 22:25.56 | omes | anyone having a problem with building alsa-source with m-a in squeeze? |
| 22:25.58 | cafuego | also, I can't type. again. |
| 22:26.23 | nevyn | hrm |
| 22:27.17 | f00bar80 | babilen, that's how i used mount, mount -t ext2 dev/sda1 target/, still getting failed: No such device |
| 22:27.41 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.12 | babilen | f00bar80: try: 'mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /target' and please always give the complete command if you have questions, OK? |
| 22:28.20 | adb | f00bar80, but /dev/sda1 is used by windows ? |
| 22:28.51 | f00bar80 | babilen, i tried this and always no such device |
| 22:29.09 | f00bar80 | babilen, 'mount -t ext2 /dev/sda1 /target' |
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| 22:31.38 | f00bar80 | any comment ? |
| 22:31.50 | adb | f00bar80, Dec 01 23:26<adb> f00bar80, but /dev/sda1 is used by windows ? |
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| 22:32.27 | f00bar80 | adb, which mean ? |
| 22:32.42 | mike399393 | after starting the setup of lenny.. i see my HD when i need to select a drive/partition |
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| 22:32.51 | adb | f00bar80, yes or no .. |
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| 22:33.07 | mike399393 | there is a / root - linux type partition on the drive but the setup doesnt see it |
| 22:33.08 | f00bar80 | adb, should i use -t vfat |
| 22:33.19 | epaphus | valdyn, right.. but does it have the browser plugin? this is not for me as a client.. rather to install an application that will be served on port 80. |
| 22:33.24 | mike399393 | so im unable to install it, is this a known problem with windows 7? |
| 22:33.31 | f00bar80 | adb, yes mounted using -t vfat |
| 22:33.41 | adb | f00bar80, ask my question first |
| 22:34.11 | valdyn | epaphus: that *is* the browser plugin |
| 22:34.39 | f00bar80 | adb, but mount --bind /dev /target/dev still returns no such file or directory |
| 22:34.55 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.28 | jpinx-eeepc | I'm stuck with trying to make a direct connection work. I do route add default gw 192.168.1.1 and it throws an error "SIOCDELRT: No such process". What do |
| 22:35.32 | adb | f00bar80, you behave as a troll ... |
| 22:35.32 | jpinx-eeepc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:35.38 | Roland- | hey |
| 22:35.39 | Roland- | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 22:35.43 | f00bar80 | adb, yes i used to install the installer imahe using UNetbootin win version |
| 22:35.46 | Roland- | is there a way to cancel this? |
| 22:36.00 | valdyn | Roland-: cancel? |
| 22:36.02 | Roland- | I wanted to install something but I changed my mind and now it's bugging m |
| 22:36.16 | valdyn | Roland-: remove it after you ran the -f install thing |
| 22:36.34 | Roland- | what thre are like 30 packages |
| 22:36.42 | Roland- | you mean add and then delete? |
| 22:36.48 | valdyn | Roland-: and cut & paste is to hard for you? |
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| 22:37.03 | f00bar80 | adb, so now what about mount --bind /dev /target/dev ? |
| 22:37.12 | epaphus | valdyn, ok so your saying that JRE 1.6 is actually sun-java6-plugin ? or is that just part of what i need? |
| 22:37.18 | Roland- | no, i have liek 100 kb/s and and I have to download alot of packages |
| 22:37.30 | valdyn | epaphus: i said that sun-java6-plugin is the java plugin |
| 22:37.49 | valdyn | epaphus: sun-java6-jre is the jre, duh |
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| 22:37.59 | adb | f00bar80, first find your usb device ... |
| 22:38.10 | f00bar80 | adb, it's sda1 |
| 22:38.19 | laurus | epaphus, I would install sun-java6-jdk if you're working with Java. |
| 22:38.20 | adb | f00bar80, nah |
| 22:38.31 | valdyn | Roland-: you interrupted it at a point when it was not downloading but installing |
| 22:38.38 | f00bar80 | adb, and mounted to /target |
| 22:38.48 | adb | .. |
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| 22:39.17 | paissad-hp | i think i did a big mistake, i added this repositories to my sources.list and i did aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 22:39.18 | paissad-hp | deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:39.18 | paissad-hp | deb-src http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 22:39.23 | epaphus | valdyn, ok last question... is sun-java6-jre == jre 1.6 ? |
| 22:39.25 | f00bar80 | adb, ?? |
| 22:39.27 | adb | you said it is not mounted |
| 22:39.39 | valdyn | epaphus: yea, sun calls this java 6 |
| 22:39.54 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.58 | valdyn | epaphus: at 1.5 they switched to calling it java5 |
| 22:40.05 | epaphus | thank you. |
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| 22:40.29 | f00bar80 | adb, no it's mounted using -t vfat, mount --bind /dev /target/dev <== returns no such file or directory |
| 22:40.32 | SerajewelKS | paissad-hp: so you upgraded your whole system to unstable |
| 22:40.40 | valdyn | higher version number == more $$ |
| 22:40.55 | epaphus | my previous operating system had like over 30 dependancies to be able to install jre 1.6 .. why is everything in one single thing in debian? iam new to jre |
| 22:40.57 | paissad-hp | SerajewelKS, you confirm i did a big mistake ? ..... |
| 22:40.59 | paissad-hp | :P |
| 22:41.05 | valdyn | epaphus: it is not |
| 22:41.10 | SerajewelKS | paissad-hp: if you didn't want to be running unstable, then yeah |
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| 22:41.24 | SerajewelKS | paissad-hp: there's no easy way to downgrade to stable or testing, and it's not supported |
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| 22:41.33 | adb | f00bar80, so is not mounted ... |
| 22:41.38 | epaphus | valdyn, oh ok. So sun-java6-jre has dependancies in debian. where can I see them? (before actually installing it) |
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| 22:41.46 | valdyn | epaphus: look at the package descriptions or even easier yet install and use apt-rdepends to get dependencies listed recursively |
| 22:42.01 | paissad-hp | SerajewelKS, i'm dead, it's a server btw |
| 22:42.02 | paissad-hp | oops |
| 22:42.11 | SerajewelKS | paissad-hp: yeah, hope you have backups |
| 22:42.22 | paissad-hp | nope |
| 22:42.29 | SerajewelKS | yeah you're fucked then |
| 22:42.37 | paissad-hp | lool |
| 22:42.41 | epaphus | valdyn, is the package description online somewhere? |
| 22:42.41 | valdyn | epaphus: or use aptitude -s install <packagename> to just get the list of dependencies that are not installed yet |
| 22:42.49 | valdyn | epaphus: aptitude show <packagename> |
| 22:43.00 | valdyn | epaphus: or "http://packages.debian.org/" |
| 22:43.04 | f00bar80 | adb, it's now, i got it mounted but when i tried to chroot /target i got chroot: cannot execute /bin/sh: no such file or directory |
| 22:43.12 | paissad-hp | SerajewelKS, squeeze is next release ? ... if i wait for it ... may my problem be solved ? |
| 22:43.30 | valdyn | epaphus: im not sure what your point in asking this stuff is though. Usually this just works (tm) |
| 22:43.51 | SerajewelKS | paissad-hp: squeeze is next, yes. it will probably be released in several months |
| 22:44.01 | epaphus | sorry , dont mean to be annoying.. but ill be switching my entire OS for this project so.. :) |
| 22:44.19 | SerajewelKS | paissad-hp: in the meantime you will be running an exposed server on a set of packages with no security support |
| 22:44.33 | acu | can anyone direct me to some place where I can see how to reconfigure current xserver ? I am trying to install squeeze and cannot get in gui |
| 22:44.39 | valdyn | epaphus: ok, alright, depends are recursive, so if you dont use something like apt-rdepends you only get direct depends on thats sometimes easily misleading |
| 22:44.47 | f00bar80 | adb, any comment ? |
| 22:44.50 | adb | f00bar80, it's normal . you installed debian on an usb device not on a internal hard that have windows |
| 22:44.55 | paissad-hp | SerajewelKS, btw the aptitude safe-upgrade i ran is on download package STEP, so the installation is not really started ... if i stop it now ... is it ok ? |
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| 22:46.06 | valdyn | epaphus: "apt-rdepends sun-java6-plugin | wc -l" gives 1450 |
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| 22:46.16 | adb | f00bar80, and that usb device must be ext3 if debian was installed on it .. |
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| 22:46.33 | epaphus | wow ,o k. |
| 22:46.49 | f00bar80 | adb, debian is installed on the hard drive, but usb has only the installer |
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| 22:47.30 | adb | f00bar80, is so why hard drive /sda1 is not ext3 ? |
| 22:47.38 | paissad-hp | 78% [735 openprinting-ppds 5992280/20,6MB 29%] 1411kB/s 2min3s^Z |
| 22:47.38 | paissad-hp | [1]+ Stopped sudo aptitude safe-upgrade |
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| 22:47.53 | valdyn | paissad-hp: so you hit Ctrl-Z so what? |
| 22:47.54 | adb | f00bar80, if* so |
| 22:47.55 | paissad-hp | tell me it's not too late |
| 22:48.04 | _klamath_ | little problem, after dist-upgrade from lenny to squeeze, system does not shutdown |
| 22:48.08 | valdyn | paissad-hp: did you? |
| 22:48.09 | SerajewelKS | paissad-hp: yes |
| 22:48.15 | SerajewelKS | paissad-hp: kill it asap |
| 22:48.22 | _klamath_ | it stops at " shutting down portmap" and no more |
| 22:48.22 | f00bar80 | adb, cause sda1 is my usb which has the installer |
| 22:48.22 | valdyn | uh? why the hell kill it |
| 22:48.50 | paissad-hp | valdyn, SerajewelKS god bless you ... i thought i was fucked ! |
| 22:48.55 | _klamath_ | tried to kill portmap before to shutdown, but , it is the same |
| 22:48.56 | valdyn | paissad-hp: fg <enter>; ctrl-c |
| 22:49.07 | adb | f00bar80, heh and run grub-installer on it ? ... |
| 22:49.10 | SerajewelKS | paissad-hp: kill it off and then "aptitude keep-all" |
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| 22:49.17 | paissad-hp | valdyn, yeah, i know how to kill it |
| 22:49.20 | paissad-hp | thx |
| 22:49.21 | SerajewelKS | paissad-hp: then remove/comment that line in your sources.list until you pin it |
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| 22:49.50 | babilen | f00bar80: sdb1 ? |
| 22:49.54 | f00bar80 | adb, grub-installer not found |
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| 22:50.33 | valdyn | thats "grub-install" |
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| 22:51.09 | f00bar80 | babilen, no such device |
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| 22:51.14 | fretegi_part_2 | hey guys |
| 22:51.39 | f00bar80 | valdyn, always grub-install not found i'm in bin/sh |
| 22:51.56 | adb | f00bar80, Dec 01 22:45<adb> !tell f00bar80 -about fixmbr |
| 22:52.04 | fretegi_part_2 | so im lookin to set up a file server/ internet gateway and firewall, not familiar with debian specifically but got a bit of experience with ubuntu, what are ur thoughts for debian in this application? |
| 22:52.46 | CodeWeaver`afk | file server: FreeNAS, firewall/gateway: pfSense |
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| 22:53.19 | fretegi_part_2 | u like pfsense better than iptables? |
| 22:53.35 | CodeWeaver`afk | pfSense uses iptables |
| 22:53.43 | fretegi_part_2 | ahh, not familiar with pfsense |
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| 22:53.50 | fretegi_part_2 | just more user friendly? |
| 22:53.57 | CodeWeaver`afk | also has multiwan, load balancing, web interface, etc... |
| 22:54.07 | CodeWeaver`afk | failover, etc.. |
| 22:54.10 | CodeWeaver`afk | lots of features :) |
| 22:54.13 | f00bar80 | babilen, any comment ? |
| 22:54.31 | fretegi_part_2 | hmmmm.... and still all the crazy overkill micro management type stuff u can do with iptables then |
| 22:55.08 | CodeWeaver`afk | heres a nice big list: http://www.pfsense.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=40&Itemid=43 |
| 22:55.27 | fretegi_part_2 | on it already :) |
| 22:55.29 | CodeWeaver`afk | :D |
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| 22:55.49 | CodeWeaver`afk | i run it on a 1U half depth Symantec Gateway Security 1620 box |
| 22:55.52 | babilen | f00bar80: do you have IDE or SATA disks? |
| 22:56.00 | CodeWeaver`afk | got it for $140 off ebay |
| 22:56.28 | CodeWeaver`afk | runs like a beast embedded on CF Card |
| 22:56.28 | acu07 | how to reconfigure the lastest xorg in squeeze |
| 22:56.42 | CodeWeaver`afk | if you are interested in a symantec box, lemme know. ;) |
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| 22:57.07 | fretegi_part_2 | hmmm intriguing |
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| 22:57.24 | babilen | fretegi_part_2: You could also install Debian/kFreeBSD and use pf |
| 22:57.29 | CodeWeaver`afk | of course its FreeBSD based, but its not too hard to figure out |
| 22:57.39 | f00bar80 | babilen, 160 GB 5,400 RPM Hard Drive on msi windbook U100 , nothing tells me if it's ide or sata |
| 22:57.55 | fretegi_part_2 | well... what i was intending to do is just make a home server that also served as my gateway to the internet. speed is important for what i do for a living |
| 22:57.59 | CodeWeaver`afk | f00bar80, my MSI Wind is SATA |
| 22:58.01 | simpson | is Debian/kFreeBSD already out ? |
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| 22:58.15 | simpson | I didn't get that... |
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| 22:58.39 | fretegi_part_2 | not too familiar with debian other than ubuntu, however i went to the websight and the full dl is HUGE, is that normal or am i missing something, i mean it has like 5 dvds..... |
| 22:58.39 | CodeWeaver`afk | (fretegi_part_2): if you want speed, go with something built for it. pfSense is wonderful. we use it in production at work as well |
| 22:58.44 | babilen | f00bar80: it is SATA |
| 22:58.45 | Justin_ | simpson: you can install it now if you want |
| 22:59.03 | f00bar80 | babilen, then / |
| 22:59.06 | babilen | f00bar80: What is the output of 'mount' ? |
| 22:59.06 | fretegi_part_2 | what would u recommend that is built for speed |
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| 22:59.09 | valdyn | fretegi_part_2: you only need the first disk to install |
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| 22:59.13 | SerajewelKS | fretegi_part_2: that's for every package in debian. you can also get the netinstall cd, which is just the installer. |
| 22:59.25 | CodeWeaver`afk | (fretegi_part_2): if you want hardcore slim and lots of features, go with monowall |
| 22:59.27 | babilen | f00bar80: I am interested in the output for /target (if any) |
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| 22:59.48 | CodeWeaver`afk | pfSense is a form of m0n0wall |
| 22:59.53 | CodeWeaver`afk | but m0n0wall is nice as well |
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| 22:59.57 | CodeWeaver`afk | fork* |
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| 23:00.00 | fretegi_part_2 | right, but how much of the remaining cd's will then be dl? just what i choose, i didnt want to spend 5 days installing and waiting for packages :) |
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| 23:00.20 | fretegi_part_2 | monowall... what is that? nother gateway/firewall? |
| 23:00.25 | CodeWeaver`afk | yes |
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| 23:00.49 | fretegi_part_2 | any of these faster or slower than iptables |
| 23:00.50 | fretegi_part_2 | ? |
| 23:00.53 | CodeWeaver`afk | extremely useful for embedded systems |
| 23:00.53 | CodeWeaver`afk | no |
| 23:00.54 | peterrooney | fretegi_part_2: get the netinstall CD if you're worried about size. after the netinstall, you ONLY download what you choose to install. |
| 23:00.56 | Titan8990 | m0n0wall is intended for embedded devices |
| 23:00.57 | CodeWeaver`afk | they both use iptables |
| 23:01.02 | Titan8990 | pfsense is the fork intended for a PC |
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| 23:01.13 | CodeWeaver`afk | (Titan8990): i said that ;) |
| 23:01.15 | Titan8990 | CodeWeaver`afk: monowall does not use iptables |
| 23:01.20 | CodeWeaver`afk | no? |
| 23:01.22 | CodeWeaver`afk | hm |
| 23:01.26 | fretegi_part_2 | hmmm |
| 23:01.29 | Titan8990 | no, it uses openbsd PF |
| 23:01.29 | babilen | fretegi_part_2: You should really consider the Debian/kFreeBSD port .. it comes with the FreeBSD kernel and GNU userland |
| 23:01.36 | Titan8990 | which is superior to iptables/netfilter |
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| 23:01.49 | fretegi_part_2 | babilen, what is that? |
| 23:02.07 | CodeWeaver`afk | (Titan8990): il have to look in to that. |
| 23:02.09 | babilen | !kFreeBSD |
| 23:02.09 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 23:02.14 | f00bar80 | babilen, fuck... automatically restarted cause of power static :( and now saying SYSLINUX 3.72 2008-09-25 CBIOS .. Could not find kernel image .... ... i'm really lost now :(:(:( |
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| 23:02.27 | Titan8990 | CodeWeaver`afk: yep, m0n0wall is actually BSD based, not linux based |
| 23:02.42 | fretegi_part_2 | interesting... is that a good thing? |
| 23:02.43 | CodeWeaver`afk | right |
| 23:02.51 | f00bar80 | babilen, i'll reinstall for the 3rd time :(:( ... |
| 23:02.55 | Titan8990 | fretegi_part_2: for a firewall/router, yes |
| 23:02.56 | papapaparazzi | so ive got this old laptop with a broken hdd, im booting it with the debian livecd - now i want to use the laptop's tv-out and play divx, give me a hint |
| 23:03.01 | papapaparazzi | how do i do this |
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| 23:03.41 | tuxcrafter | with chgrp is it only possible to as user to change it to a group that is in the groups of that user> |
| 23:03.41 | babilen | f00bar80: ok .. lets do this in another way. Download knoppix, Debian Live or grml (all real live cds) and prepare your usb stick using unetbootin |
| 23:03.45 | CodeWeaver`afk | FN - <hotkey for output> |
| 23:03.48 | fretegi_part_2 | will i be limited on anything else? also intend to use the server for storing/sharing media and files, maybe run some security cameras, dvr, i dunno, ill find shit for it to do lol |
| 23:04.07 | Titan8990 | fretegi_part_2: you don't want to do all that stuff on your router/firewall |
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| 23:04.22 | f00bar80 | babilen, do you have any other suggestion for a clean installation else thab this usb/netinstall usin this UNetbootin at the this notebook doesn't come with cdrom ... |
| 23:04.24 | babilen | fretegi_part_2: It will allow you to use pf instead of iptables which is really what you want for a firewall ... |
| 23:04.29 | Titan8990 | fretegi_part_2: routing and packet filtering should be pretty much that boxes only functionality |
| 23:04.44 | babilen | f00bar80: borrow an external cdrom? |
| 23:04.45 | fretegi_part_2 | really.... |
| 23:04.51 | Titan8990 | fretegi_part_2: if you want different services on the same hardware, run VMs |
| 23:05.02 | f00bar80 | babilen, i already have debian/vmware |
| 23:05.18 | fretegi_part_2 | why should that be its sole purpose, how cpu intensive can routing be? |
| 23:05.24 | babilen | f00bar80: you tell me now? |
| 23:05.31 | f00bar80 | babilen k, ....then :( i have to wait till tomorrow |
| 23:05.41 | fretegi_part_2 | not questioning, trying to learn a bit :) |
| 23:05.41 | Titan8990 | fretegi_part_2: notice I said use a VM instead... its not about the power, its about the security |
| 23:06.01 | Titan8990 | fretegi_part_2: your firewall will be completely exposed to the internet and you want to limit the services it offers to a bare minimum |
| 23:06.15 | babilen | fretegi_part_2: ^^^^ |
| 23:06.28 | f00bar80 | babilen, what do you think |
| 23:06.38 | babilen | f00bar80: about what? |
| 23:06.39 | fretegi_part_2 | thats a good point, add more obscurity in totality.... i see ur point now |
| 23:06.44 | CodeWeaver`afk | (Titan8990): depending on the VM box, even with VT, you will still gain a tad bit of lantency |
| 23:07.03 | babilen | fretegi_part_2: and 'pf' really is the firewall tool you want to learn |
| 23:07.14 | CodeWeaver`afk | (fretegi_part_2): security by obscurity is bad practice. |
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| 23:07.15 | fretegi_part_2 | and that is bsd based yes? |
| 23:07.18 | f00bar80 | babilen, you said "lets do this in another way." |
| 23:07.34 | babilen | f00bar80: boot your Debian VM |
| 23:07.54 | babilen | will that help actually? |
| 23:07.57 | Titan8990 | security via peer review > obscurity |
| 23:07.59 | f00bar80 | babilen, debian VM IS ON ANOTHER MACHINE |
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| 23:08.17 | babilen | f00bar80: ah ... ok |
| 23:08.44 | fretegi_part_2 | hmmm, so what about pf is better, more efficient, faster? |
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| 23:08.49 | Old_Spike0 | Does anybody know about when is cdrecord going to be officially adopted again? |
| 23:08.50 | fretegi_part_2 | more thorough? |
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| 23:09.25 | paissad-hp | i need to install some packges http://pastebin.fr/6156 |
| 23:09.28 | babilen | f00bar80: download a real live cd like knoppix, grml, debian live and put that on your usb stick ... or borrow an external CDROM |
| 23:09.29 | CodeWeaver`afk | (fretegi_part_2): if i were you, just grab a lightweight box and throw pfSense on it. Play around with the web interface and be happy :) |
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| 23:10.26 | f00bar80 | babilen, can i prepare the usb stick using unetbootin from this debian VM ? |
| 23:10.30 | pom5 | hello, i would like to know what sort of "vmware" alike i could use, to have windows on one side, and linux the other.. something efficient / be able to use games on windows ? also that i can use while i dont have pricey cpu with this specifi feature ? |
| 23:10.31 | paissad-hp | how can i solve those errors, i added some sid repositories in order to have some packages i did not have before |
| 23:10.32 | paissad-hp | pastebinit -i /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:10.32 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f227e8608 |
| 23:10.35 | fretegi_part_2 | does pfsense need anything else to run? i mean what distro u recomend with it? |
| 23:11.24 | CodeWeaver`afk | you download the ISO, burn it, and it installs FreeBSD with pfSense software built in |
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| 23:11.44 | f00bar80 | babilen, or it doesn't matter if i prepare it from UNetbootin windows or linux version ? |
| 23:11.46 | CodeWeaver`afk | of course, super slim |
| 23:11.53 | Titan8990 | fretegi_part_2: it is a distro, only requires a small ammount of hardware and two ethernet interfaces |
| 23:11.54 | fretegi_part_2 | ok i gotcha, so what are the advantages over building a linux firewall over a linksys from wallyworld? |
| 23:11.59 | babilen | f00bar80: probably. I have not used unetbootin before ... try it |
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| 23:12.16 | CodeWeaver`afk | (fretegi_part_2): features |
| 23:12.22 | CodeWeaver`afk | (fretegi_part_2): does a linksys do failover? |
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| 23:12.36 | babilen | Old_Spike0: There were some ... issues ... with joerg schilling IIRC |
| 23:12.55 | Titan8990 | fretegi_part_2: pflogd, pfsense has an excellent web interface, QOS, packet shaping, etc |
| 23:13.11 | fretegi_part_2 | not to sound ignorant, but what do u mean by failover? |
| 23:13.37 | f00bar80 | babilen, k i'll try to figure things out and brb, thanks a lot for your gr8 help |
| 23:13.38 | CodeWeaver`afk | if the box dies, you can have a second mirror box pick back up instantly |
| 23:13.42 | Old_Spike0 | babilen: but that was some time ago, right? I recently read about him being in talks with some debian people... |
| 23:13.57 | CodeWeaver`afk | see: wiki CARP |
| 23:14.15 | Titan8990 | fretegi_part_2: pf allows for hardware redundancy via CARP, or connection redundancy via load balancing |
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| 23:14.15 | CodeWeaver`afk | or both! :) |
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| 23:14.25 | babilen | Old_Spike0: might be... I have not followed that discussion that closely, Just remember that there were some licensing issues and other problems .. |
| 23:14.43 | fretegi_part_2 | ahh i see, and obviously much better as a firewall, how bout performance? |
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| 23:15.08 | CodeWeaver`afk | the only limit on performance is what you hook up to it |
| 23:15.50 | simpson | dpkg > thanks |
| 23:15.50 | dpkg | simpson: de rien |
| 23:15.51 | CodeWeaver`afk | 256MB RAM, VIA C3 @ 800MHz, with a 1GB CF Card, and I can pull over 100Mbit in and out <10ms latency |
| 23:15.56 | fretegi_part_2 | i mean is there anything to be gained using a box with decent nics etc. over hookin up to just a plain ole vanilla router |
| 23:16.09 | babilen | What are the advantages of pfsense over Debian/kFreeBSD ? |
| 23:16.23 | morie_ko | when I try to install Eclipse I get an error |
| 23:16.30 | morie_ko | Could someone help me with this |
| 23:16.35 | fretegi_part_2 | cf card? |
| 23:16.41 | Old_Spike0 | babilen: In his website J. Schilling explains that there was no legal issues at all and that debian's fork is very much technically inferior. Just citing |
| 23:16.44 | CodeWeaver`afk | (fretegi_part_2): if you prefer a premade router, such as linksys, check out Tomatto firmware or DDWrt firmware |
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| 23:16.53 | Titan8990 | babilen: its actually supported? |
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| 23:17.17 | morie_ko | "E: Couldn't find package Eclipse" |
| 23:17.17 | morie_ko | I ran apt-get install Eclipse |
| 23:17.17 | Titan8990 | judd: versions eclipse |
| 23:17.18 | judd | Titan8990: eclipse -- etch: 3.2.1-4 lenny: 3.2.2-6.1 sid: 3.4.1-1 |
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| 23:17.51 | Titan8990 | morie_ko: remove the capital |
| 23:18.04 | morie_ko | ok |
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| 23:18.07 | morie_ko | Thank you |
| 23:18.11 | Titan8990 | morie_ko: in the future, use apt's search feature |
| 23:18.12 | fretegi_part_2 | oh i have no preference, i just need a very secure, very fast connection between my home mnetwork and the net |
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| 23:18.22 | morie_ko | Worked! |
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| 23:18.24 | morie_ko | thank yoU! |
| 23:18.33 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, i added sid repository to my sources.list ... i don't have the error "libopencore-amrwb-dev not found" anymore ... but i have this now |
| 23:18.33 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.fr/6156 |
| 23:18.38 | fretegi_part_2 | trying to learn the best way, having fun with linux, and seemed like a fun project to make a router :) |
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| 23:19.16 | Justin_ | fretegi_part_2: you have what, a blazing fast 10mbit cable modem? |
| 23:19.16 | CodeWeaver`afk | if its just something simple, pfSense is fun to build a box and learn, etc... If you want something simple and easy, just get a Linksys on the DD-WRT support list and flash the router with DD-WRT firmware and your set |
| 23:19.30 | pegazuz | does the normal 2.6 kernel with debian patches work in dom0 in xen or do I need another patch or specific kernel setting? |
| 23:19.40 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: uhh, what was your initial problem? |
| 23:19.57 | babilen | Titan8990: but kFreeBSD will be released with squeeze, what do you mean with supported? |
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| 23:20.09 | fretegi_part_2 | no its a super dooper blazing fast 25 mbit connection :) |
| 23:20.12 | CodeWeaver`afk | how is Xen on Debian VS Xen on CentOS? Haven't tried it on Debian yet. |
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| 23:20.32 | lhx | can someone tell me where install-css.sh is for libdvdread3 |
| 23:20.50 | Titan8990 | CodeWeaver`afk: there are other distros that pump a lot more development and work into xen, but im sure its just fine |
| 23:21.36 | CodeWeaver`afk | Unfortunantly I like XenServer from Citrix too much... its hurting my want to install Xen alone :) |
| 23:22.12 | fretegi_part_2 | only a 46 meg install disk? how big is the total install of it? |
| 23:22.31 | CodeWeaver`afk | i'd check, but my box is sitting aside me unhooked. |
| 23:22.34 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, my initial pb was when i did apt-get install package_1 package2 .... package_n ... i have one of package which was not found by apt-get, but i added a sid repository to my sources.list in order to have it ... but now the matter is that i have the new errors i pasted just before |
| 23:22.36 | CodeWeaver`afk | about that tho. |
| 23:22.40 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.fr/6156 |
| 23:22.56 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: i am certain that I did not tell you to do that |
| 23:23.05 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: you should never install binaries from another branch |
| 23:23.27 | CodeWeaver`afk | (fretegi_part_2): make sure to join #pfsense |
| 23:23.28 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, i misunderstood then when you said !ssb |
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| 23:23.51 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, how should i proceed then ? |
| 23:23.51 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: that explains how to source build the package from another branch, not install its binary |
| 23:23.53 | Titan8990 | !ssb |
| 23:23.53 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 23:24.15 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, how should i proceed then ? |
| 23:24.16 | fretegi_part_2 | damn literally takes nothing.. so aside from security of the content on the box, any real reason to not add any more functions to the router? |
| 23:24.21 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: see how it says "1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..."" |
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| 23:24.47 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: give me a sec |
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| 23:24.47 | CodeWeaver`afk | (fretegi_part_2): nope. |
| 23:24.52 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, ok |
| 23:25.12 | pegazuz | does the normal 2.6 kernel with debian patches work in dom0 in xen or do I need another patch or specific kernel setting? |
| 23:25.17 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: remove sid from your sources.list; aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
| 23:25.20 | CodeWeaver`afk | (fretegi_part_2): the more services, the less secure, but the chance of someone exploiting a service which is properlly secured is extremely unlikely |
| 23:25.25 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: then we will see the extent of the damage if any |
| 23:25.34 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, done |
| 23:25.47 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: no errors? |
| 23:25.51 | dz2 | is the printer epson stylus tx110 compatable with linux |
| 23:25.51 | babilen | paissad-hp: done? the upgrade worked? |
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| 23:25.53 | dz2 | ? |
| 23:26.09 | Titan8990 | dz2: ask epson if they support linux? |
| 23:26.12 | adb | dz2, ask google |
| 23:26.17 | CodeWeaver`afk | (fretegi_part_2): just dont host a web server, samba, etc... with your pfSense box :) |
| 23:26.18 | paissad-hp | babilen, yes |
| 23:26.20 | Titan8990 | dz2: typically HP printers are the safe bet |
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| 23:26.30 | fretegi_part_2 | so then u can still load pfsense onto debian or ubuntu server if needed? |
| 23:26.33 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, no errors |
| 23:26.38 | CodeWeaver`afk | no' |
| 23:26.47 | CodeWeaver`afk | pfSense is its own distro |
| 23:26.51 | fretegi_part_2 | ah |
| 23:26.55 | CodeWeaver`afk | however you can throw it in a VM, sure |
| 23:27.06 | fretegi_part_2 | i follow, im downloading as we speak |
| 23:27.09 | babilen | paissad-hp: puh ... :-D |
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| 23:27.18 | tensorpudding | dz2: http://www.openprinting.org/printer_list.cgi |
| 23:27.26 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, aptitude safe-upgrade i used |
| 23:27.45 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: alright, now lets take a step back... what is your overall goal? why do you need this lib from sid? |
| 23:28.20 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 23:28.40 | fretegi_part_2 | well i dont plan on hosting a website, however i do hafta have mac, windows, and linux access to the network and gateway |
| 23:28.51 | dz2 | tensorpudding, I already looked at http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi the printer was not there but i know that that does not necessarily mean that the printer is not supported does it??? |
| 23:28.51 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, i want to do this --> sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion git-core checkinstall yasm texi2html libfaac-dev libfaad-dev libmp3lame-dev libopencore-amrnb-dev libopencore-amrwb-dev libsdl1.2-dev libx11-dev libxfixes-dev libxvidcore4-dev zlib1g-dev |
| 23:28.53 | f00bar80 | babilen, here's the output of mount rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) none on /proc none on /sys tmpfs on /dev type tmpfs(rw,mode=755) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,mode=600) |
| 23:29.06 | Titan8990 | fretegi_part_2: if they do tcp/ip, they can use the gateway.... |
| 23:29.08 | tensorpudding | dz2: google it then |
| 23:29.09 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, the error is --> E: Impossible de trouver le paquet libopencore-amrnb-dev |
| 23:29.20 | babilen | f00bar80: are you using a livecd now? |
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| 23:29.28 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, meaning impossible to find libopencore-amrnb-dev |
| 23:29.30 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: your not understanding... why do you want to run that command? |
| 23:29.36 | f00bar80 | babilen, no the same usb stick |
| 23:29.48 | fretegi_part_2 | so then, does pfsense actually connect other network devices etc, or is this just straight gateway only |
| 23:29.57 | f00bar80 | babilen, i recreated it ? |
| 23:29.57 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, i want to follow this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=786095 |
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| 23:30.13 | babilen | f00bar80: i meant: are you using the installer or a something like knoppix, grml, debian live, ...? |
| 23:30.36 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:30.40 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, lenny |
| 23:30.44 | f00bar80 | babilen, no installer |
| 23:31.12 | babilen | f00bar80: pity |
| 23:31.20 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: then you should be installing ffmpeg from debian multimedia, not compromising the stability of your machine with all the manual work |
| 23:31.21 | babilen | f00bar80: ok ... anyway |
| 23:31.23 | Titan8990 | !dmm |
| 23:31.23 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 23:31.39 | babilen | f00bar80: 'mkdir /target' |
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| 23:32.13 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, i do have debian multimedia on my sources.list |
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| 23:32.15 | paissad-hp | deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main |
| 23:32.15 | paissad-hp | deb http://deb.opera.com/opera lenny non-free |
| 23:32.33 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: so why not install ffmpeg from there? |
| 23:32.45 | f00bar80 | babilen, k created |
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| 23:33.00 | babilen | f00bar80: on which partition(s) did you install debian? |
| 23:33.08 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, it's the latest version of ffmpeg .. that's why i need to follow the tutorial i sent to you above |
| 23:33.28 | babilen | f00bar80: How did you partition you harddrive? |
| 23:33.38 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, i meant i need the latest version of ffmpeg that dmm does not have yet |
| 23:33.44 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: what does the latest version offer that the one in the dmm repo doesn't? |
| 23:33.50 | f00bar80 | babilen, / and swap on all hd |
| 23:33.56 | adb | judd, versions libopencore-amrnb-dev |
| 23:33.56 | judd | adb: libopencore-amrnb-dev -- sid: 0.1.2-1 squeeze: 0.1.2-1 |
| 23:34.06 | Spec | ntpd has a bug in it (as seen here): http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483434 , supposedly this was going to be fixed after the lenny release... |
| 23:34.07 | babilen | f00bar80: you picked the 'use entire disk' option? |
| 23:34.18 | Spec | Is it worth waiting for a fix to make it in, or should I recompile ntpd myself? |
| 23:34.23 | adb | judd, versions ffmpeg |
| 23:34.24 | judd | adb: ffmpeg -- etch: 0.cvs20060823-8 etch-security: 0.cvs20060823-8+etch1 lenny: 0.svn20080206-17 lenny-security: 0.svn20080206-17+lenny1 etch-multimedia: 3:20070329-0.0etch1 lenny-multimedia: 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 sid: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1 squeeze: 4:0.5+svn20090706-2+b1 squeeze-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20091101-0.0 sid-multimedia: 5:0.5+svn20091129-0.0 |
| 23:34.24 | f00bar80 | babilen, yes |
| 23:34.26 | tuxcrafter | how can i prevent this file from being deleted by the user dwbinternet: http://debian.pastebin.com/d34ce9c36 |
| 23:35.04 | f00bar80 | babilen, and when installing i noticed it has been install to hda0 |
| 23:35.22 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: dude... thats the same version of ffmpeg in dmm that they are source building in that guide |
| 23:35.23 | tuxcrafter | i set the file attributes to undeltable and append only but i can still just remote the file as the user owning it |
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| 23:35.38 | babilen | f00bar80: you mean grub has been installed to hd0 ? |
| 23:35.44 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: "--pkgversion "4:0.5+svn`date +%Y%m%d`"" |
| 23:35.51 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, then the compilation from dmm does not suit my needs ! |
| 23:35.53 | starenka | what should i use to sync couple of files via ssh? |
| 23:36.18 | f00bar80 | babilen, yes |
| 23:36.18 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, when i run this command for example |
| 23:36.18 | paissad-hp | ffmpeg -i VTS_02_1.VOB -vcodec libx264 -vpre hq -crf 24 -threads 0 -acodec libfaac -ab 128k lol.mp4 |
| 23:36.18 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: oh, sorry I was looking at sid |
| 23:36.18 | Spec | tuxcrafter: man chattr |
| 23:36.19 | Spec | tuxcrafter: you can make it 'append only'. |
| 23:36.20 | tensorpudding | starenka: rsync |
| 23:36.30 | starenka | tensorpudding: ty |
| 23:36.35 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, i have this error --> Preset file not found |
| 23:36.37 | tensorpudding | starenka: it can use ssh as an option |
| 23:36.39 | Spec | tuxcrafter: oh. hmm. |
| 23:36.48 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, i don't have that error on Ubuntu |
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| 23:37.05 | tuxcrafter | Spec: i found it i needed the i of (immutable) |
| 23:37.09 | tuxcrafter | not undeletable |
| 23:37.22 | babilen | f00bar80: 'ls /dev/hd*' and 'ls /dev/sd*' please ... |
| 23:37.26 | adb | paissad-hp, you run lenny ? |
| 23:37.42 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, i went to #ffmpeg and they told me that my i needed to recompile ffmpeg ! |
| 23:37.55 | paissad-hp | adb, yes, i run lenny |
| 23:38.05 | babilen | f00bar80: and just let me know if it was hd* or sd* and the numbers and letters |
| 23:38.14 | adb | judd, versions libopencore-amrnb-dev |
| 23:38.15 | judd | adb: libopencore-amrnb-dev -- sid: 0.1.2-1 squeeze: 0.1.2-1 |
| 23:38.22 | adb | paissad-hp, ^^ |
| 23:38.23 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: yes, you go to a upstream maintainer's support and they will always tell you to have the latest and greatest, and promote their methods |
| 23:38.27 | Spec | tuxcrafter: hey |
| 23:38.38 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: and a distro's help support will always support their own packages and package management |
| 23:38.45 | Spec | tuxcrafter: i just created a file, root:spec -rw-rw-r-- |
| 23:38.54 | Spec | tuxcrafter: and i did "chattr +a file" |
| 23:38.57 | adb | !tell paissad-hp -about ssb |
| 23:38.58 | f00bar80 | babilen, ls /dev/hd* => No such file or directory and ls /dev/sd* => /dev/sda /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb |
| 23:39.00 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, yes ^__^ |
| 23:39.08 | Spec | tuxcrafter: and now my spec user can append (echo moo >> file), but it can't delete, or open the file for writing (vim) |
| 23:39.16 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: I still wouldn't bother with manual compilation |
| 23:39.21 | babilen | f00bar80: that's it? |
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| 23:39.32 | f00bar80 | babilen, yes |
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| 23:39.49 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: I would do a source build of ffmpeg directly from sid or sid multimedia |
| 23:39.50 | babilen | f00bar80: 'mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /target' |
| 23:39.52 | Spec | tuxcrafter: same w/ spec:spec as owner and group |
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| 23:40.05 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, ok i try that ! |
| 23:40.06 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: which both have a version high enough to suite your needs |
| 23:40.10 | Spec | tuxcrafter: seems like you need to be root to set chattr +a, and you can't change permission bits with +a in there, even as root |
| 23:40.31 | f00bar80 | babilen, only it's mounted when i used -t vfat instead of ext3 |
| 23:41.14 | babilen | f00bar80: ok, weird ... what does 'ls /target' give you? |
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| 23:41.34 | babilen | f00bar80: summarise it ;-) |
| 23:42.03 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, how can i check the list of package which are not present on the repositories so that i build them myself ? |
| 23:42.22 | paissad-hp | here are the packages ---> build-essential subversion git-core checkinstall yasm texi2html libfaac-dev libfaad-dev libmp3lame-dev libopencore-amrnb-dev libopencore-amrwb-dev libsdl1.2-dev libx11-dev libxfixes-dev libxvidcore4-dev zlib1g-dev |
| 23:42.23 | awayand | can anyone direct me to understand how the terminal is configured? My lines in mutt are not coherent, but when I set my environment variable to TERM=vt100, the lines are fine, but then this only works in xfce's terminal, not in xterm, I am confused.. |
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| 23:42.56 | paissad-hp | i just want to see those that does not exist from repositories of sources.list |
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| 23:43.08 | babilen | f00bar80: ? |
| 23:43.10 | f00bar80 | babilen, boot.txt makeboot.bat splash.rle syslinux.cfg ubnkern ldlinux.sys memtest syslinux ubninit vesamenu.c32 |
| 23:43.15 | reeeeeesty | i have to listen to a 2 hour speech audio mp3..... is there some sort of voice recognition software that listens to audio files and converts to readable text documents? |
| 23:43.41 | babilen | f00bar80: *summarise it* ;-) no need to type all this ... |
| 23:43.50 | babilen | f00bar80: ok, that is your usb stick |
| 23:43.58 | babilen | f00bar80: 'umount /target' |
| 23:44.15 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: read the instructions again |
| 23:44.20 | f00bar80 | babilen, k |
| 23:44.49 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, my last question in not ssb concerned ! |
| 23:44.49 | babilen | f00bar80: Are you sure that you created the partitions and filesystems for Debian? |
| 23:44.53 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: you will build ffmpeg, and everything else will be handled for you |
| 23:45.06 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, oh good ! |
| 23:45.09 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: aptitude search <package> |
| 23:45.14 | babilen | f00bar80: try: 'mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /target' |
| 23:45.32 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: I am not sure if there is a way to return all packages |
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| 23:45.48 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, aptitude search won't return me something if package does not exist .... |
| 23:45.53 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: but there is a chance you will still need to manually grab that lib, you will find out whenever you do that apt-get build-dep |
| 23:46.13 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: right... wasn't that the goal? to find out if it exists? |
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| 23:46.48 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: i may have misunderstood |
| 23:46.51 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, i want the list of packages which don't exist "a lil bit different" |
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| 23:47.46 | f00bar80 | babilen, failed: no such device |
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| 23:48.30 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: well, since there is an unlimited possibilities of packages which don't exist, its best to check which ones do |
| 23:48.35 | ksnp | is there a way to automatically delete logs/email from the root periodically ? |
| 23:48.39 | babilen | f00bar80: hmm ... It appears that there are no partitions on your harddrive ... |
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| 23:48.54 | f00bar80 | babilen, so ? |
| 23:49.00 | Titan8990 | ksnp: logrotate should handle the logs |
| 23:49.14 | Vasistha | As a long-contented user of debian stable, I'm considering installing some unstable libqt4 packages, and am wondering what effect this might have on my system, e.g. whether KDE 3 uses any of the qt4 libs |
| 23:49.14 | babilen | f00bar80: are you sure that you created the partitions and installed Debian *on your harddrive* as opposed to *on the usb stick* ? |
| 23:49.30 | ksnp | Titan8990, what about the emails that are sent, i see logrotate takes care of logs |
| 23:49.37 | f00bar80 | babilen, i sware |
| 23:49.46 | babilen | f00bar80: IIRC the boot from your stick failed and you had to recreate it manually ... true? |
| 23:49.53 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:49.56 | Titan8990 | ksnp: you mean emails sent by the system? to say... root? |
| 23:50.07 | adb | babilen^^ |
| 23:50.10 | babilen | adb: yes |
| 23:50.20 | babilen | adb: that is why i asked that question ... |
| 23:50.28 | babilen | adb: suggestions? |
| 23:50.43 | adb | and you asked 02 00:43<babilen> f00bar80: try: 'mount -t ext3 /dev/sdb1 /target' |
| 23:50.47 | f00bar80 | i can reinstall it :-s |
| 23:51.00 | Titan8990 | ksnp: if that is the case then you should configure the system to send the email to a real email address, instead of dropping in /var/spool/mail/ |
| 23:51.05 | babilen | adb: hope dies last ;-) |
| 23:51.08 | adb | babilen, see ? |
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| 23:51.27 | babilen | adb: but i expected that to fail ... |
| 23:51.36 | babilen | adb: see what? |
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| 23:52.15 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.16 | guillaume2 | hi I try to install windows7 on my squeeze box but I'm now unable to reinstall grub on my hdd. I try grub-install but it fail my setup before installing windows 7 was sda1 /boot (1go) sda2 (cryptfs with lvm2 (root and home)) sda3 (windows7). I try to start from sysrescuecd but when I do grub > root (hd0,0) > setup (hd0,0) grub fail to find stage1. I hope someone can help me to figure out what's happening. |
| 23:52.37 | babilen | adb: sda1 is the usb stick which contains the unetbootin stuff |
| 23:52.48 | babilen | adb: we tried that (as backlog will reveal) |
| 23:53.14 | adb | nah , |
| 23:53.26 | Justin_ | guillaume2: did you try the grub find command? |
| 23:53.39 | omes | Do anyone know how to enable the right side scrolling field on a touchpad (laptop)? |
| 23:53.52 | omes | For some reason it was removed after an upgrade i just did. |
| 23:54.03 | babilen | to summarise: we have: grub error 3 and no sdbN ... |
| 23:54.28 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, before building ffmpeg, i should build these 2 packages http://packages.debian.org/sid/libopencore-amrnb-dev && http://packages.debian.org/sid/libopencore-amrwb-dev FIRST, that's the 2 that apt-get does not find ! |
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| 23:54.55 | babilen | adb: nah? |
| 23:55.13 | paissad-hp | i guess i add a deb-src .... sid to sources.list ... and follow the tuto of dpkg bot ^^ |
| 23:55.15 | paissad-hp | wrong , |
| 23:55.17 | paissad-hp | ? |
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| 23:55.29 | guillaume2 | Justin_ I try grub>find /boot/grub/stage1 and grub>find /grub/stage1 and it fai lto find stage1. If I do ls /dev/sd* I can see all my hdd partitions |
| 23:55.51 | adb | babilen, you allright , sorry |
| 23:56.05 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: right, those two you should also source build |
| 23:56.09 | babilen | f00bar80: I don't know what went wrong, but something definately did ... you can wither boot a real live cd (knoppix, debian live, ...) and we can investigate the situation further or you can try to install a fourth time .. |
| 23:56.40 | acu | how can I reconfigure X - I installed daily amd squeeze and cannot get to KDE or GNOME - I used to know dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but it seem that this new version some other commands I do not know - can anyone help ? |
| 23:56.56 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: build both of those and then ffmpeg, and it should be the same as following the guide, only apt does most of the work for you |
| 23:56.58 | babilen | adb: alright ... if you can think of something let us know though ... |
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| 23:57.08 | f00bar80 | babilen :( k |
| 23:57.35 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, imagine i have a lot of depends to satisfy ... crap |
| 23:57.55 | Justin_ | guillaume2: find /boot/.. will always fail since /boot/.. does not exist try find /grub/stage1 |
| 23:58.00 | babilen | f00bar80: not the kind of experience that you should have as a linux newbie ... |
| 23:58.21 | adb | f00bar80, then go no and install debian on /dev/sdb , ... |
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| 23:58.39 | guillaume2 | Justin_ I try find /grub/stage1 but it fail too as I wrote |
| 23:58.55 | f00bar80 | babilen, which mean bad or goood :( ? |
| 23:59.14 | babilen | f00bar80: bad experience i would say, or? |
| 23:59.32 | f00bar80 | babilen, why ? |
| 23:59.34 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp: debian isn't exactly oriented towards new multimedia software |
| 23:59.36 | guillaume2 | Justin_ Under livecd sysrescue I could check the filesystem, where I should find this famous stage1 ? |
| 23:59.53 | babilen | f00bar80: because your Debian is still not installed ... or do *you* enjoy this? |
