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| 00:04.08 | babilen | dec3pti0n: depends, a lot of packages are in dmm due to licensing issues .. |
| 00:04.21 | dec3pti0n | i c |
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| 00:05.07 | babilen | dec3pti0n: or others are compiled with a different configuration (--enable-foo, --disable-bar) and such things |
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| 00:07.45 | centHOGG | hi, anyone here have hw Nvidia RAID working at all? |
| 00:07.45 | iceroot | sure |
| 00:08.09 | centHOGG | iceroot: hi hardware raid? |
| 00:08.23 | iceroot | centHOGG: fakeraid |
| 00:08.26 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 00:08.32 | centHOGG | i could get sw raid ok |
| 00:08.35 | centHOGG | but not hw |
| 00:08.46 | jetscreamer | dec3pti0n: and yes they usually are newer |
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| 00:08.55 | jetscreamer | better faster stronger |
| 00:09.02 | iceroot | you have to use a live-cd activate the fakeraid from the nvidia-controller with dmraid, then rebot and install on it |
| 00:09.24 | centHOGG | wow yeah |
| 00:09.27 | centHOGG | i guess |
| 00:09.58 | iceroot | but now i am using ubuntu alternate which detectes my raid without any tricks |
| 00:10.15 | iceroot | with debian i am only using hardware-raid |
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| 00:10.43 | dec3pti0n | jetscreamer, so i guess they should be up in my preferences file ? |
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| 00:11.03 | jetscreamer | dec3pti0n: up to you... they are in mine |
| 00:11.05 | centHOGG | iceroot: i'm trying new ubuntu-server, but it tripped up at the grub install |
| 00:11.23 | centHOGG | and debian netinstall didn't even see the hw raid |
| 00:11.29 | iceroot | centHOGG: yes, only ubuntu-alternate-cd has raid-support |
| 00:11.40 | iceroot | centHOGG: its no hardware-raid, its fakeraid |
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| 00:12.07 | centHOGG | iceroot is fakeraid much worse than hw nvidia raid? |
| 00:12.16 | centHOGG | or ok? |
| 00:12.30 | iceroot | centHOGG: fakeraid = softwareraid with the onboard controller |
| 00:12.39 | iceroot | centHOGG: its a big difference in speed and handling |
| 00:12.44 | iceroot | centHOGG: and costs |
| 00:12.59 | centHOGG | i guess I'll lookup that alternative ced |
| 00:13.00 | centHOGG | cd |
| 00:13.03 | iceroot | centHOGG: if you dont need dualboot with windows, use normal software-raid |
| 00:13.11 | centHOGG | <dualboot |
| 00:13.54 | iceroot | then use the dmraid-trick with debian or normal ubuntu, or use ubuntu-alternate (#ubuntu) |
| 00:14.41 | jetscreamer | and i guess you meant sources.list |
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| 00:18.30 | centHOGG | iceroot: thx |
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| 00:31.33 | Hexxeh | Hey |
| 00:32.06 | Hexxeh | Just created a 1100GB volume group and I'm trying to format it to either ext3 or ext4, but the mkfs operation is /really/ slow, is this normal? It's looking like it's going to take a few hours at least at this rate. |
| 00:33.35 | centHOGG | Hexxeh: is it on a RAID? |
| 00:33.47 | Hexxeh | No, three seperate USB drives |
| 00:33.57 | centHOGG | oh yeah |
| 00:34.13 | Hexxeh | No way of speeding it up? |
| 00:34.19 | Hexxeh | Surely formatting shouldn't take that long |
| 00:34.43 | centHOGG | idk |
| 00:34.46 | themill | buy smaller disks! |
| 00:34.59 | cheako | Hexxeh: I don't understand the reason for such a big volume, don't most/all programs that would need that much space have support for using more then one storage location? |
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| 00:35.24 | Hexxeh | cheako: I want to share it over the network to the rest of the houses machines as one large disk |
| 00:35.37 | hacker_kid | i have an older system that just hangs at booting the kernel on the lenny netinstall disc, i have tried a different disc but it hangs there indefinitely, any suggestions on possible troubleshooting? |
| 00:35.40 | Hexxeh | Also want to be able to add new drives to it and increase it's size |
| 00:35.52 | centHOGG | iceroot: you still there? |
| 00:36.04 | Hexxeh | A quick dd test suggests the write speed is /incredibly/ slow, about 1MB/s |
| 00:36.09 | Hexxeh | Can't understand why, though :/ |
| 00:36.43 | Hexxeh | Oh god, USB1. |
| 00:36.45 | Hexxeh | Damn. |
| 00:36.58 | cheako | Hexxeh: I'm using eSATA with 1gb disks, it's much faster then USB. Also Firware is much faster then USB. |
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| 00:37.05 | Hexxeh | Time to kill that 210 day uptime and put a PCI USB card in. |
| 00:37.35 | cheako | 1Tb |
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| 00:38.10 | cheako | I only have 3of them now. |
| 00:38.56 | abrotman | hacker_kid: and etch ? |
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| 00:40.12 | hacker_kid | abrotman, havent tried etch yet, if i installed etch could i upgrade from etch to lenny without booting from an install disc, some kind of distribution upgrade script? |
| 00:40.57 | cheako | hacker_kid: Something like that. It's painless. |
| 00:41.03 | Shiba | I'm trying to rebuild a debian livecd with create-debian-live (from drbl); does anyone here have experience with it? |
| 00:41.33 | hacker_kid | cheako, awesome |
| 00:42.10 | Shiba | specifically, I'm trying to specify the kernel version to use when building the chroot. Can someone point me to a list of the official Debian kernel-image packages? |
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| 00:44.50 | cheako | Shiba: chroot is more like cd then anything else. The only change afterwards is / is in a diffren't place. |
| 00:45.08 | Shiba | I am aware what a chroot is |
| 00:45.16 | Shiba | I want to know what kernel versions are available to me |
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| 00:45.50 | themill | Shiba: what are you planning to do with this chroot? |
| 00:45.57 | cheako | Shiba: All of them, but pre-packaged kernels can be found with all the other packages.debian.org |
| 00:46.21 | Shiba | the LiveCD manages to set up a union filesystem on a squashfs base. I need to find out the exact package names |
| 00:46.47 | Shiba | trying to rebuild the LiveCD with some packaged scripts and it requires a kernel release version |
| 00:46.48 | themill | Shiba: aptitude search ~nlinux-image ; /msg judd kernels |
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| 00:47.18 | cheako | Shiba: It's unlikely that you would /simply/ be able to change the kernel on a LiveCD. |
| 00:47.44 | Shiba | cheako: I'm changing more than the kernel... I'm rebuilding the whole thing |
| 00:48.17 | Shiba | I already succeeded once, but the livecd failed because it auto-selected an ancient kernel version... |
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| 00:50.14 | cheako | Nice, I wonder if a pre-packaged Debian kernel would have all the parts needed for a live CD. UnionFS for example. |
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| 00:59.24 | hacker_kid | does lenny have trouble with 586 processors?, seems like etch is booting fine |
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| 01:01.04 | abrotman | hacker_kid: i've had it running on a 486 |
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| 01:02.27 | hacker_kid | i stand corrected etch disc hangs at "FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077" |
| 01:05.07 | hacker_kid | abrotman, any ideas |
| 01:08.25 | Hexxeh | One USB2 controller added later, getting 24x the speed, excellent. |
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| 01:11.32 | hacker_kid | anyone have any ideas, lenny install disc hangs at booting the kernel, etch hangs at "FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077" |
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| 01:11.36 | Tordek | hi |
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| 01:12.22 | Tordek | I'm doing dpkg-reconfigure -a, but it suddenly stops on "This is not dpkg install-info anymore, but GNU install-info"; how can I know what package is causing that? |
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| 01:13.50 | abrotman | hacker_kid: try turning off some of the options in the installer |
| 01:13.51 | abrotman | Tordek: dpkg --configure -a |
| 01:14.55 | hacker_kid | abrotman, how? |
| 01:15.02 | d1b | hacker_kid: what computer is that :P ? |
| 01:15.07 | Tordek | no dice, abrotman |
| 01:15.12 | hacker_kid | d1b, its an old pentium 4 |
| 01:15.18 | d1b | odd... |
| 01:15.45 | hacker_kid | abrotman, all i do is press enter to boot, it goes through its thing and hangs |
| 01:16.21 | d1b | i think that's just the floppy drive... |
| 01:16.27 | d1b | try disabling that in bios. |
| 01:16.56 | hacker_kid | k |
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| 01:17.07 | hacker_kid | floppy drive is disconnected, could very well be it |
| 01:17.25 | d1b | bios is an evil thing |
| 01:17.53 | hacker_kid | lol |
| 01:18.03 | d1b | im not joking. |
| 01:18.05 | hacker_kid | ugh gateway bios forgot how to get into this darn thing |
| 01:18.15 | hacker_kid | i know, thats why it is funny |
| 01:18.20 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:18.43 | hacker_kid | its an old gateway its two keys... trying to remember |
| 01:19.29 | hacker_kid | ah yes del + F8 |
| 01:19.55 | d1b | lol. |
| 01:20.07 | hacker_kid | d1b, gateway is evil |
| 01:22.27 | hacker_kid | now hanging at parport1: irq 7 detected |
| 01:22.41 | hacker_kid | d1b, abrotman what the heck does that mean |
| 01:22.59 | d1b | hacker_kid: if it boots, ignore it . |
| 01:23.15 | d1b | otherwise, disable the parallel port. |
| 01:23.29 | hacker_kid | d1b, alright |
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| 01:28.57 | hacker_kid | d1b, serial port offline, floppy offline, parallel port offline, hangs at parport_pc: 1TE 8872 parallel port: io=0xC400 |
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| 01:30.11 | d1b | hacker_kid: try lenny.... |
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| 01:30.36 | hacker_kid | d1b, hangs at booting kernel |
| 01:30.54 | hacker_kid | although i havent tried lenny since i have been mucking with the bios |
| 01:31.59 | hacker_kid | trying lenny again |
| 01:32.09 | Tordek | ugh, finally found the culprit: autoconf |
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| 01:32.41 | Tordek | rephrase that: A culprit. there are more... |
| 01:32.51 | hacker_kid | welcome to the club |
| 01:33.39 | hacker_kid | lenny still hanging at booting kernel |
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| 01:35.35 | d1b | hacker_kid: any other errors ? |
| 01:36.36 | hacker_kid | d1b, no errors |
| 01:36.51 | d1b | bit odd. |
| 01:36.54 | hacker_kid | and it seems like etch stops at a different point each time |
| 01:36.59 | hacker_kid | yeah, im gonna run a memtest |
| 01:37.28 | d1b | good idea. |
| 01:37.36 | rxt0 | i also got my lenny install hanging at kernel booting |
| 01:38.14 | rxt0 | it was weird, i had to disconnect my second hard drive to get into the system and later hotplug it (ahci) |
| 01:39.34 | hacker_kid | rxt0, hmm i will try that i got two drives in here |
| 01:40.08 | rxt0 | good luck ;) |
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| 01:45.39 | glick | hey does anyone know how to get recordmydesktop working with with sound? every other application can record sound from my mic without messing with them except recordmydesktop |
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| 01:47.05 | zaoul | what kernel is installed for debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso? |
| 01:47.14 | abrotman | 2.6.26 |
| 01:47.33 | zaoul | which is will apt update me to? |
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| 01:48.24 | Sibul | 2.6.26-1 is current default for lenny |
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| 01:51.07 | abrotman | it's 2.6.26-2 |
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| 01:51.51 | zaoul | ok, installing.. peace |
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| 01:53.22 | rxt0 | hey guys, has anyone been able to use cpu scaling feature on a core2 duo desktop system? 'cause i just simply cannot (tried probing acpi-cpufreq, speedstep-centrino kernel modules) |
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| 01:57.06 | lex_ | Hello all |
| 01:57.19 | jetscreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/CpuFrequencyScaling |
| 01:57.40 | jetscreamer | rxt0: ^^ hth |
| 01:57.51 | lex_ | I want to know what do i have to do to let Debian display a host name for my router. |
| 01:58.09 | lex_ | provide a host name for my router |
| 01:58.24 | rxt0 | jetscreamer: already followed those steps :( |
| 01:59.03 | jetscreamer | all i know, sorry :/ never worked for me either, but i didn't care |
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| 01:59.58 | rxt0 | 'cause i'm sure all my hardware supports speedstep (intel dp965lt motherboard) so maybe a kernel recompile it's needed |
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| 02:00.43 | hark | rxt0: pastebin your cpufreq-info output |
| 02:01.01 | rxt0 | hark: hold on |
| 02:01.05 | hacker_kid | not sure what did it but i disconnected the slave drive, sound card, modem, and parallel port card and it boots lol |
| 02:01.10 | toolz | I am trying to compile a custom kernel, linux-source-2.6.30 got from debian packages and I keep getting: *** 'make menuconfig' requires the ncurses libraries. *** Install ncurses (ncurses-devel) and try again. though I have the libraries installed |
| 02:01.24 | cesar_CR | hello guyws I am using squeeze, I hava a laptop that has a Intel Corporation WiFi Link 1000 Series, I,ve installed the firmware and microcode from the repos, and I keep getting this: http://debian.pastebin.com/m4f9fc7cd |
| 02:01.26 | jetscreamer | toolz: libncurses5-dev |
| 02:01.37 | hark | !menuconfig |
| 02:01.38 | dpkg | If make menuconfig doesn't work because it says ncurses isn't installed, but ncurses is installed, you need to do 'apt-get install libncurses5-dev' |
| 02:01.47 | toolz | thanks |
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| 02:03.50 | rlc | is there's something special to do to start netinstall in graphical mode with an nvidia vga card ? I get a kernel panic |
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| 02:04.13 | hark | cesar_CR: doesn't look like an error though |
| 02:04.53 | hark | cesar_CR: modprobe -r iwlagn and modprobe iwlagn. then check dmesg|tail |
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| 02:05.40 | benklop_ | i wanna downgrade back to grub 1.x, how do I accomplish that? |
| 02:06.05 | benklop_ | my machine is not booting correctly and rescue mode is no different than a regular boot... |
| 02:06.28 | benklop_ | n/m, i'm gonna try init=/bin/bash first |
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| 02:08.18 | hark | rlc: which installer? |
| 02:08.31 | benklop_ | shoot, guess that's not what's going on.. no idea. it's hanging at begin: running scripts/init-bottom ... done |
| 02:08.44 | hark | rxt0: well? |
| 02:08.55 | rxt0 | hark: http://pastebin.com/m608af617 cpufreq-info |
| 02:09.27 | cesar_CR | hark no errors doing that, but I'am still have that message when doing ifconfig wlan0 up, I get SIOCSIFFLAGS: No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 02:10.11 | cesar_CR | hark the thing is that in /lib/firmware I do not have the requeste files |
| 02:10.54 | rlc | hark debian testing netinstall downloaded 2 days ago |
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| 02:11.09 | hark | cesar_CR: and you have firmware-iwlwifi installed? |
| 02:11.28 | cesar_CR | hark and here http://intellinuxwireless.org/?n=Downloads, I can get only the file iwlwifi-1000-3.ucode |
| 02:11.39 | cesar_CR | hark, yes |
| 02:11.46 | rlc | hark text mode is working properly but maybe I have to report the bug for graphical mode ?? |
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| 02:12.38 | cesar_CR | hark, here is the list of firewares installed by that package http://debian.pastebin.com/m646888f6 |
| 02:12.47 | hark | rlc: it's a development installer. just install in text mode, maybe you can report it |
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| 02:16.51 | rxt0 | hark: by the way, none of the cpufreq kernel modules can probe |
| 02:17.08 | hark | rxt0: oh, sorry. what does uname -r say? |
| 02:17.26 | rlc | I ask if it's possible to recover data from an lvm2 encrypted partion ifa user rebuild the encrypted partition with the same passphrase and without formating it's content without answer. As it's a 150gb partition do you think I must save a backup of it in order to try to recover something or all is lost ? |
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| 02:17.40 | rxt0 | hark: 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 02:18.16 | hark | rxt0: go for the 686 instead |
| 02:18.31 | hark | rxt0: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 02:18.38 | rxt0 | already tried the 686, it's the same, i'm on 486 because of fglrx |
| 02:18.44 | rxt0 | and it's installed |
| 02:19.16 | hark | rxt0: then modprobe -r acpi-cpufreq && modprobe acpi-cpufreq |
| 02:19.45 | hark | can you modprobe cpufreq_ondemand as well? |
| 02:20.02 | rxt0 | hark: FATAL: Error inserting acpi_cpufreq (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-486/kernel/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cpufreq/acpi-cpufreq.ko): No such device |
| 02:20.32 | rxt0 | hark: yes, i can modprobe cpufreq_ondemand |
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| 02:21.00 | cesar_CR | hark, so I think I'll have to wait until firmware-iwlwifi gets an update or something |
| 02:21.32 | hark | cesar_CR: moment |
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| 02:21.58 | hark | rxt0: and what does grep -i acpi_cpufreq /boot/config-2.6.26-2-486 say? |
| 02:21.58 | cesar_CR | hark, ok thanks a lot |
| 02:22.35 | rxt0 | CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=m |
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| 02:22.48 | rxt0 | # CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ_PROC_INTF is not set |
| 02:22.52 | Tw33k^ | 'lo |
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| 02:23.19 | Tw33k^ | can't seem to execute mkinitrd in squeeze |
| 02:23.24 | Tw33k^ | can't find it in any repos either |
| 02:23.26 | Tw33k^ | is this right? |
| 02:23.30 | Tw33k^ | or am I doingitwrong |
| 02:23.33 | hark | cesar_CR: did you try this download? http://intellinuxwireless.org/iwlwifi/downloads/iwlwifi-1000-ucode-128.50.3.1.tgz |
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| 02:23.48 | hark | !mkinitrd |
| 02:24.20 | Tw33k^ | hark: ? |
| 02:24.27 | hark | Tw33k^: mkinitramfs |
| 02:25.22 | Tw33k^ | same options? |
| 02:26.25 | rxt0 | hark: CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=m |
| 02:26.53 | hark | Tw33k^: see the man page. it has examples :) |
| 02:27.03 | Tw33k^ | i deserved that. |
| 02:27.05 | Tw33k^ | thank you sir. |
| 02:27.17 | Tw33k^ | heh |
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| 02:29.01 | hark | rxt0: what cpu do you have? can you pastebin /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 02:29.15 | cesar_CR | hark yes, but that package has only the file iwlwifi-1000-3.ucode, and the system keeps asking for the files: iwlwifi-1000-1.ucode and iwlwifi-1000-2.ucode |
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| 02:29.41 | hark | rxt0: tried modprobe p4-clockmod? |
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| 02:30.35 | rxt0 | i have Intel Core2 Duo E7500 http://pastebin.com/m14b20e7d |
| 02:31.14 | rxt0 | hark: modprobe p4-clockmod: no such device |
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| 02:36.05 | rxt0 | hark: i modprobed everysingle cpufreq module and nothing, maybe it's the hardware? |
| 02:36.18 | hark | rxt0: i'd try with the backports kernel first |
| 02:36.48 | hark | or at least the 686 one |
| 02:36.55 | rxt0 | hark: oh, sorry for the ignorance but i don't quite understand what's a backport kernel |
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| 02:37.41 | hark | judd: kernels |
| 02:37.43 | judd | hark: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 02:38.16 | hark | 2.6.30 is available in backports ^ |
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| 02:38.25 | hark | !tell rxt0 about backports |
| 02:38.45 | hark | !tell rxt0 about bpo |
| 02:39.34 | hark | rxt0: that's only if you haven't tried with 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 02:40.39 | hark | which is actually what you should be running |
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| 02:41.31 | rxt0 | hark: i tried with 2.6.26-2-686 since the first time i started up debian heh |
| 02:45.05 | hark | try 2.6.30, don't think it's hardware, unless there's something in the BIOS about it |
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| 02:46.19 | hark | cesar_CR: what does lspci -nn say about the card? |
| 02:46.52 | rxt0 | hark: no, no BIOS configuration (Intel board duh), on my way of installing 2.6.30, what's the apt-get install -- for 2.6.30? |
| 02:47.09 | cesar_CR | hark, Intel Corporation WiFi Link 1000 Series [8086:0083] |
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| 02:49.05 | hark | rxt0: follow that dpkg said and to install aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-686 (or the kernel directly) |
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| 02:59.29 | massmc | hello |
| 02:59.39 | massmc | what is a dood irc logger from the repo |
| 02:59.44 | massmc | cl or madoka? |
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| 03:02.09 | domini | hi! I'm new to linux, and i'm trying to install drivers for my usb-ethernet controller. After an hour of struggle, i've ported and compiled the drivers which then produced a number of c object files and a .ko file. How do I insert this modules into the kernel? |
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| 03:03.00 | rxt0 | !tell domini about modprobe |
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| 03:05.24 | hark | cesar_CR: btw, are you running 2.6.31? |
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| 03:06.08 | tck9 | i have a linux server with 2 nics. one has a public internet ip, the other nic is connected using a crossover cable to a mac server and these two servers are on a private 10.x IP. what's the easiest way to give the mac server access to the internet? |
| 03:06.13 | tck9 | right now the mac can only communicate with the 10.x ip of the linux server. |
| 03:06.19 | cesar_CR | hark, nop 2.6.30-2-amd64 |
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| 03:07.38 | rxt0 | tck9: i had luck with ipmasq package on debian |
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| 03:07.49 | rxt0 | !tell tck9 about ipmasq |
| 03:08.00 | unistd | tck9 gateway mac to linux? |
| 03:08.20 | hark | cesar_CR: not sure then, seems like a bug. try with that kernel or something. iwlwifi-1000-1/2.ucode does not seem to exist |
| 03:09.11 | cesar_CR | hark, OK thanks a lot then ! |
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| 03:11.24 | dec3pti0n | anyone here using coherence on lenny ? |
| 03:12.22 | rudi_s | 2 |
| 03:12.28 | rudi_s | Sorry. |
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| 03:17.53 | domini | Hi! I'm trying to install a usb-network adapter with hardware id 0fe6:8101 on debian lenny with kernel version 2.6.26-2-686, but I am unable to find information about how to install the driver and configure the network interface for this hardware. I tried porting an old driver for kernel 2.4, and lsmod lists the driver. I have no idea how to test the driver and configure the interface... pls help. |
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| 03:21.22 | dhaivat | where can I get yacc for debian/ |
| 03:21.23 | dhaivat | ? |
| 03:21.28 | dhaivat | with sudo apt-get I mean |
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| 03:23.46 | rxt0 | dhaivat: search -> apt-cache search yacc (i don't know what the package is though) |
| 03:23.56 | isak | dhaivat: bison |
| 03:24.16 | dhaivat | ah. |
| 03:24.19 | dhaivat | thank you. |
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| 03:33.55 | liable | iceweasel is seriously shitting me with the slow scrolling thing |
| 03:35.46 | evilbulgarian | hi, guys I am building a file server and wondering what FS i should use? Ext4 or XFS any thoughts? I will mostly have larger files and music. |
| 03:36.55 | rudi_s | !tell evilbulgarian about ext3 |
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| 03:40.02 | rxt0 | evilbulgarian: I use ext3 for / and XFS for data storage con my file server, if it helps you |
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| 03:41.03 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 03:41.12 | liable | hmm, better when not using vesa... |
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| 03:43.25 | evilbulgarian | rxt0: yes it does just wondering what the ppl here are using which does say alot |
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| 03:44.22 | evilbulgarian | rxt0: i been reading up and looking at benchmarks and seems XFS and ext4 are the winners altho im worries about how new ext4 is |
| 03:44.43 | sauvin | ext4's maturity and stability do seem to be something of a question. |
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| 03:45.39 | evilbulgarian | sauvin: yeah altho it is an solid perforer. |
| 03:45.49 | rxt0 | i used ext4 quite a time and i didn't have any issues of stability, on a desktop though, beware of 2.6.32 ext4 regression |
| 03:46.03 | sauvin | How solid? Would you use it on a Fortune 500 server? |
| 03:46.27 | rxt0 | for a server i surely stick with ext3 |
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| 03:47.08 | je | dos gpg -c compress files too? |
| 03:47.14 | je | does* |
| 03:47.30 | je | i ve got this file going from 1.2GB to 300MB |
| 03:48.34 | rudi_s | je: I think so; normally gpg compresses all files; not 100% sure about symmetric encryption but I think so. |
| 03:49.13 | je | hmm, that's missing in the man page |
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| 03:53.17 | rxt0 | hark: i'm on 2.6.30 right now |
| 03:53.52 | liable | mouse scrolling on certain websites makes kde log me out.. fun |
| 03:54.29 | rxt0 | hark: neither acpi-cpufreq, speedstep-centrino or p4-clockmod probes |
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| 03:57.52 | neoalex | hello, I'm trying to configure nut, and I get the following error when running upsd: getaddrinfo: Servname not supported for ai_socktype |
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| 04:01.22 | jmarsden | je: gpg --edit-key $USERID showpref # will show you the compression options for that id (and this *is* in the man page) |
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| 04:10.36 | rxt0 | I'm done for today with cpu scaling |
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| 04:14.20 | mooglenorph | Hello. How do I set the size of the font that lp uses for plain text files? |
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| 04:16.06 | markybob_ | mooglenorph, you need to use a2ps. |
| 04:16.27 | markybob_ | man a2ps...you want the -Fnum option for size |
| 04:16.49 | mooglenorph | markybob_: thanks! |
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| 04:19.23 | paranoidfreak | hi everybody, i have a problem and that is: im running debian as host and xp as vm and my schools networked printer is only supported by windows and i'm able to print using vm but i want to share the networked printer that's detected in vm to be shared with the host and i have enabled "Host-only" adapter as adapter 2 and i have enabled file and printer sharing in vm; how do i enable debian to access it? |
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| 04:24.56 | arand | When I define specific interface settings in /etc/network/interfaces and similarly when I remove them, how do I (diss/re)associate NetworkManager to that interface without having to reboot? |
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| 04:26.26 | jmarsden | arand: I'm not sure, but did you try restarting NetworkManager? |
| 04:26.38 | mooglenorph | What is the "fastest" terminal emulator capable of utf8 and xft fonts? I'm using unicode-rxvt, and I notice that it flickers some. |
| 04:26.53 | arand | jmarsden: I have done that yes |
| 04:26.58 | mooglenorph | On scrolling and such. |
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| 04:27.21 | butterball | Hi does debian have support for nv cards? |
| 04:28.29 | jmarsden | mooglenorph: See http://martin.ankerl.com/2007/09/01/comprehensive-linux-terminal-performance-comparison/ for a (slightly old) comparison |
| 04:28.44 | mooglenorph | butterball: in the sense that there are both open-source drivers, and a "debian way" to install the binary blob drivers, yes. |
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| 04:28.59 | mooglenorph | butterball see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 04:29.04 | mooglenorph | jmarsden: thanks |
| 04:29.27 | jmarsden | mooglenorph: You're welcome. |
| 04:29.31 | butterball | ty! |
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| 04:31.32 | jmarsden | arand: I'm not sure what else to try... there's a CLI networkmanager-manager tool called cnetworkmanager around, not sure if it has been packaged yet though... I just disable networkmanager and use /etc/network/interfaces :) |
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| 04:33.43 | arand | jmarsden: Hmm, thing is that NM is convenient when connecting to new wl networks... |
| 04:34.43 | jmarsden | arand: OK. So... maybe reboot and see if that does the trick? |
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| 04:37.17 | arand | jmarsden: ^^ Whole point is trying to avoid a reboot, which I know works perfectly |
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| 04:42.06 | liable | sheesh, the radeon driver is continually blanking my screen causing logouts.. |
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| 04:42.57 | arand | jmarsden: hmm, actually, the restarting of NM might actually be working... annoying not having any wless net around atm to test things on... |
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| 04:43.39 | cretsiah | query has rox been removed from debian lenny? as i cant seem to find ti in aptititude |
| 04:44.01 | jmarsden | arand: Sounds like you should just shelve this little project until you are in a better test location. |
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| 04:44.22 | syrius | hi everyone |
| 04:45.02 | adb | cretsiah, which ? roxterm , rox-filer are there |
| 04:45.07 | syrius | is it possible to boot from hfs+ now with linux disk install? |
| 04:45.43 | adb | hfs+ , no |
| 04:45.44 | cretsiah | i tried rox-filer maybe i didnt double check i typed it right :( will have another look |
| 04:45.56 | syrius | the guide seems to be old and not up to date with the name of files to get or that the server didn't put the files in there right |
| 04:46.16 | syrius | how do I get it to hfs? adb |
| 04:46.45 | adb | you can't , my guess only |
| 04:46.49 | cretsiah | silly must have not typed in properly :( |
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| 04:46.51 | arand | jmarsden: indeed, although I vaguely remember trying that...anyhow, thanks for tip. |
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| 04:47.01 | cretsiah | i have found it :) thanx |
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| 04:47.08 | jmarsden | arand: You're welcome. |
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| 04:47.34 | cretsiah | exitr |
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| 04:47.38 | cretsiah | exit |
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| 04:50.16 | butterball | ha.. forgot gnome is debian's default wm :) |
| 04:50.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnome's not a WM! |
| 04:51.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | metacity is |
| 04:51.09 | butterball | window enviroment? |
| 04:51.10 | rxt0 | gnome's wm is metacity (or compiz optionally) |
| 04:51.30 | butterball | googleing it so I understand |
| 04:51.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | gnome is a 'de' i.e. desktop environment, which uses metacity as the windows manager |
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| 04:52.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | windows manager are just the things that handle windows.. placement, movement, borders, mouse focus etc |
| 04:52.35 | butterball | ah.. k |
| 04:52.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | desktop environments are WM + all the other crap |
| 04:52.50 | butterball | ty |
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| 04:53.41 | puff | Hey, anybody know settting ssh passwrdless login? I've generated my public key on host1, ran ssh-installkeys to push it to host2:/home/puff/.ssh/authorized_keys, ran ssh-agent, but it still prompts me for my password. |
| 04:53.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | like... taskbar (although there are separate ones) the stuff dcop does and whatDoIknow |
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| 04:54.27 | puff | Hm, wtf, just noticed host2 authroized_keys file is size zero. |
| 04:54.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | you need the private key in $HOME/.ssh/id_dsa or identity etc. |
| 04:55.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | also... run ssh -v -v -v -v -v host (or somesuch), there's always hope that provides additional clues |
| 04:55.21 | butterball | so a gnome sesion would have guesing here... 10 things to make it what it is.. |
| 04:55.44 | butterball | then if one understands each component that makes it then it could be changed to ones desired look? |
| 04:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | the way windows look depends on the WM |
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| 04:56.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | then gnome has nautilus which... represents files as icons afaik |
| 04:56.48 | mooglenorph | butterball: if you don't like it, I was very happy with installing debian without picking any "tasks" in tasksel. I just installed what I needed from apt when I was done. |
| 04:57.02 | fluorine | has there been a new stable release? |
| 04:57.14 | buntuskiffler | of debian??!!!?? |
| 04:57.39 | butterball | I'm still new so only trying to learn and understand.. I have been using fvwm and starting to feel comfortable with it. |
| 04:57.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | lots! |
| 04:57.52 | fluorine | yes. i just updated my pkg lists, and suddenly i see 20+ upgrades available |
| 04:57.57 | mooglenorph | Is it possible to run tasksel after installation to remove tasks? |
| 04:58.23 | buntuskiffler | mooglenorph: remove progs? |
| 04:58.50 | mooglenorph | buntuskiffler: yeah, like the entire "desktop" task |
| 04:59.29 | buntuskiffler | well yeah... lemme tell you that removing things from gnome is troublesome... but it is easier to build up |
| 04:59.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | butterball, I'm using fvwm... but actually only because a) I configured it until it screamed 7 years ago or so and b) it enables me to have 9X6 or so viewports on a single desktop which are (obviously) organized on a 2D plane, which makes switching easy... openbox is a rather nice WM without configuring it, though |
| 04:59.52 | buntuskiffler | hae you seen the netinstall |
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| 05:00.01 | buntuskiffler | brb drink time |
| 05:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | eww, both of your nicks start with "bu" |
| 05:00.21 | mooglenorph | buntuskiffler: yeah, that's what I used. Installing without any tasks gave the least trouble... |
| 05:01.10 | buntuskiffler | ok b |
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| 05:01.28 | buntuskiffler | moog like I use the net install without any thing selected |
| 05:01.32 | buntuskiffler | which is pretty light |
| 05:01.37 | buntuskiffler | what are you trying to do |
| 05:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmp, only 9X4... still |
| 05:02.08 | adb | CutMeOwnThroat, "9X6" is ? |
| 05:02.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it gets a bit tedious if you have 36 Desktops arranged in a linear fashion |
| 05:02.20 | butterball | CutMeOwnThroat ty |
| 05:02.33 | mooglenorph | buntuskiffler: not trying to do anything, just advocating that particular approach, which worked out well for me after some frustration. I didn't know, initially, that I could install without *any* tasks selected. |
| 05:02.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | adb, 54! |
| 05:03.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean 54 |
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| 05:03.17 | buntuskiffler | yeah I think debian has the lightest gnome install... if you wanna get lighter you can ubuntu-server with LXDE |
| 05:03.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | 54! is something else :) |
| 05:03.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian also has lxde? |
| 05:04.23 | buntuskiffler | nah I haven't seen it debian.. but I use it sometimes ubuntu-server |
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| 05:04.31 | buntuskiffler | debian has a good xfce |
| 05:05.06 | adb | lxde is in debian |
| 05:05.21 | buntuskiffler | man i spent hours getting nvidia raid working :( |
| 05:06.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions lxde-common |
| 05:06.48 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: lxde-common -- lenny: 0.3.2.1+svn20080509-5 sid: 0.3.2.1+svn20080509-5 squeeze: 0.4.2-1 sid: 0.4.2-3 squeeze: 0.4.2-3 |
| 05:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, judd has |
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| 05:07.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, and xfce is a WM, lxde is a DE |
| 05:07.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | butterball, see, you're not the only one who doesn't get it straight ... only difference, he didn't _after_ I explained it |
| 05:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops, I'm wrong |
| 05:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a DE |
| 05:08.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | damme |
| 05:08.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh woe me! |
| 05:09.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | I meant oh woe betide |
| 05:09.51 | smacnay | anyone know if Galeon is still being actively developed? |
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| 05:10.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions galeon-common |
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| 05:10.39 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: galeon-common -- etch: 2.0.2-4 sid: 2.0.6-2 lenny: 2.0.6-2.1 sid: 2.0.6-2.1 squeeze: 2.0.7-1 sid: 2.0.7-1.1 |
| 05:10.59 | butterball | heeh |
| 05:11.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it seems to change version numbers at least occasionally |
| 05:11.35 | smacnay | CutMeOwnThroat, I have been using Epiphany for over a year and just tried Galeon tonight - I really like it. |
| 05:11.55 | smacnay | Epiphany has switched to Webkit and seems to crash a lot. |
| 05:12.07 | smacnay | Epiphany is very fast, though. |
| 05:12.14 | centHOGG | dinky |
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| 05:13.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... although I don't understand why judd lists sid twice - once with 2.0.6-2 and once with 2.0.7-1... the former must be wrong anyway, as it's the same as in lenny |
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| 05:16.11 | butterball | sportsirc? |
| 05:16.39 | mike-shevk | hi |
| 05:16.55 | centHOGG | yo |
| 05:17.44 | mike-shevk | êòî-íèáóòü îáüÿñíèòå êàê ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ èðê |
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| 05:24.20 | adb | nice feature , i use vlc to , and all what i download by epiphany ( as packs.deb ) it is added to vlc list .. heh |
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| 05:25.32 | cretsiah | how do i figure out how much hd space ive used? have free in terminal? |
| 05:25.47 | jmarsden | cretsiah: df -h |
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| 05:25.59 | cretsiah | ty |
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| 05:27.07 | arand | cretsiah: df -h ? |
| 05:27.38 | cretsiah | yup thank you only used 2.1gig :) |
| 05:27.39 | jmarsden | cretsiah: You're welcome. You might want to go through a Linux tutorial or two that would teach you this sort of information, btw. Maybe http://tldp.org/LDP/intro-linux/html/intro-linux.html |
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| 05:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | problem is, this is 100 pages of text or so |
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| 05:42.35 | cretsiah | jmarsden i might indeed ... ive gto leny with only a few bits, a couple of games, rox-filer,icewesel,geany,weechat,xorg,jwm im experimenting |
| 05:43.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hooray, another de I've never heard about |
| 05:43.56 | jmarsden | CutMeOwnThroat: Isn't it worthwhile for a computer user to learn enough to actually *use* their computer...? I think it is, so I made the suggestion. 100 pages is well under two hours... most movies are longer :) |
| 05:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | 100 pages isn't under 2 hours |
| 05:44.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, nobody can read this in one go and remember all of it |
| 05:44.58 | jmarsden | 1 page per minute ... 600 words/minute is a pretty conventional reading speed. 60 lines of ten words/line = 600 words/page... |
| 05:44.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, nobody i know :) |
| 05:45.10 | massmc | i have a folder that gets added to daily.. I have chmod -R 755 that folder but when I keep adding files they dont retain the 755.. is there a easier way to do this? |
| 05:45.23 | cretsiah | im experimenting cos i learn better by trial and error :) |
| 05:45.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you don't do 1 book page / minute |
| 05:46.14 | Tramp | well, "page" and "book" vastly differ - just minute is constant .... |
| 05:46.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you're actually lots and lots slower if it's not recreational reading, but something that introduces a lot of new concepts to you |
| 05:46.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | one book-page |
| 05:47.22 | jmarsden | CutMeOwnThroat: Sure read one book-page per minute. 1000wpm is not unheard of for reading speed. Anyway, the idea isn't so much to remember it all, but to read it once to get an overview, and then go back to it when you need the details. |
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| 05:47.38 | acrobat | does anyone know of small iso that has a 64bit toolchain |
| 05:47.56 | jmarsden | But this is off topic :) |
| 05:48.19 | Tramp | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah, I got what you meant. Just wanted to say there are different books and different pages |
| 05:48.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I need... dunno, at least 10 hours or so for a... hmpf... now is it a 200 or a 600 pages book :) - anyway I was thinking about that, because it's not so rare that I deal with people who don't want to put any effort in it |
| 05:48.38 | butterball | using the line.. ifconfig wlan0 scan.. this should scan.. or in debian is it a bit different? |
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| 05:49.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | butterball, you mean 'iwconfig' or even 'iwlist'? |
| 05:49.31 | butterball | oh.. ty :) |
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| 05:50.07 | butterball | only used ifconfig in obsd with options :) |
| 05:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmarsden, but I think the tutorial you linked to is most useful insofar as you can search in it (as is true with most documentation) |
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| 05:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I was mostly thinking of unix-books I browsed through which at some point start explaining stuff like... cpio or tftp or whatever |
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| 05:52.19 | jmarsden | It's oldish, but aimed at newcomers, fairly gentle, and distro-agnostic, and so IMO more use than many out there. |
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| 05:54.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | btw. there's |
| 05:54.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !grounding |
| 05:54.09 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 05:55.11 | butterball | is wpa and wpa2 supported in debian? |
| 05:55.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably fundamentals/unix lessons/general cli tutorial apply |
| 05:55.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wpa_supplicant |
| 05:55.40 | dpkg | wpa is Wi-Fi Protected Access. A WPA supplicant is provided for Debian Lenny, Etch and Squeeze in the 'wpasupplicant' package. Read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz to configure the supplicant as desired (especially "Troubleshooting" regarding association to hidden SSIDs). Debian-Installer does not support WPA at this time. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse#wpasupplicant |
| 05:55.55 | butterball | ty |
| 05:56.21 | jmarsden | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, unix lessons is a bit... terse :) |
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| 05:57.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:57.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmarsden, well, I *was* suggesting something shorter :) |
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| 05:58.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... would not take so long to read through |
| 05:58.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's good advice, specially (3) and (49 |
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| 06:00.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... wonder what the comment of your next potential gf is, when the big moment comes and suddenly there's you, her and a a boot floppy or CD together in bed |
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| 06:06.57 | rlc | the nm-connection-editor refuse root password with squeeze |
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| 06:11.37 | node357 | can someone please help me let apt-get update the kernel? I get: The following packages have been kept back: |
| 06:11.38 | node357 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.47 | jmarsden | CutMeOwnThroat: Well (a) I'm married and (b) my bed lacks a CDROM or floppy drive anyway. I do keep a bootable usb stick on my keyring, which is perhaps the modern equivalent of that boot floppy... |
| 06:12.07 | jmarsden | node357: aptitude full-upgrade |
| 06:12.29 | node357 | thanks, jmarsden. |
| 06:12.45 | jmarsden | node357: You're welcome. |
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| 06:20.04 | adb | so , my kernel has CONFIG_FB_VESA=y , CONFIG_FB_BOOT_VESA_SUPPORT=y , but i can't find any vesa in lsmod , how to activate that thing |
| 06:20.50 | butterball | guessing you need to set Driver to vesa in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 06:25.05 | adb | well thats the X vesa , but i think i like to have the kernel support too |
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| 06:27.03 | adb | maybe fbdev , not sure |
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| 06:47.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jmarsden, I was referring to (7) always have a boot floppy or CD |
| 06:47.52 | favor | hi, I want to dual boot from ubuntu and freebsd, my grub settings and my disk partitions like this:http://pastebin.org/60953 , but I can't boot from bsd, can you give me some help? |
| 06:48.15 | jmarsden | CutMeOwnThroat: I think a bootable USB key 3 feet away in my trouser pocket probably counts :) |
| 06:48.59 | gusto | CutMeOwnThroat: I dont believe |
| 06:49.17 | gusto | CutMeOwnThroat: |
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| 06:49.38 | gusto | CutMeOwnThroat: I think you want to boot freebsd and not from freebsd, because thats not possible |
| 06:50.16 | gusto | CutMeOwnThroat: dual boot means, that you have to restart your computer and then pick your desired OS and you can boot it and that is possible |
| 06:51.23 | gusto | CutMeOwnThroat: btw. you ve broken the pastebin dump, there is no freebsd root and so on |
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| 06:51.37 | favor | gusto :I can't boot from bsd after I choose my desired OS. can you help? |
| 06:51.39 | gusto | CutMeOwnThroat: its on the bottom after your fdisk |
| 06:51.40 | gusto | so |
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| 06:51.59 | jast4 | c |
| 06:52.04 | gusto | favor |
| 06:52.08 | gusto | i mixed it up |
| 06:52.13 | favor | hi gusto. |
| 06:52.27 | gusto | i wrote to CutMeOwnThroat all the time |
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| 06:52.38 | gusto | but it was meant to you favor |
| 06:52.44 | oOarthurOo | Asked this question over in debian-xfce, however not many people home there, so I thought I'd try here. Trying to get tap-to-click working and wondering if there is a debian guide. Found some fedora info, but there are differences between the file locations and default settings in the files. Hoping for something geard towards debian |
| 06:52.58 | gusto | favor: so, your dump in pastebin is broken |
| 06:53.15 | favor | I originally think CutMeOwnThroat has the same problem as me ;) |
| 06:53.32 | gusto | favor: and you try to boot freebsd like this root      (hd0,3,a) kernel     /boot/loader |
| 06:53.49 | gusto | favor: thats not a good idea |
| 06:54.00 | gusto | favor: try |
| 06:54.15 | gusto | favor: root (hd0,3) |
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| 06:54.24 | gusto | favor: chainloader +1 |
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| 06:54.45 | gusto | favor: because I dont think that grub is able to read UFS2 |
| 06:54.54 | gusto | favor: you understand? |
| 06:55.33 | gusto | favor: root (hd0,3) and chainloader +1 |
| 06:55.39 | favor | gusto: yes. I searched on the internet, someone used like that to boot freebsd |
| 06:55.43 | gusto | favor: and remove kernel     /boot/loader |
| 06:56.06 | gusto | favor: maybe 10 years ago! |
| 06:56.53 | favor | gusto: do I need install freebsd boot manager to MBR when using "chainloader +1", or something else? |
| 06:56.54 | gusto | favor: so, write your menu.lst and then try it, ok? |
| 06:57.07 | gusto | favor: NO |
| 06:57.34 | gusto | favor: chainloader +1 boots the partition, so dont change anything on FreeBSD |
| 06:57.48 | favor | gusto: when I install freebsd, I choose none when select boot manager, is that ok? |
| 06:58.05 | gusto | favor: however |
| 06:58.18 | gusto | favor: was freebsd able to boot directly? |
| 06:58.43 | gusto | favor: but however, just try it |
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| 06:59.03 | gusto | favor: as long as freebsd is able to boot, it should work |
| 06:59.20 | favor | gusto: ok, let me try. I'll reboot right no. ;) |
| 06:59.28 | gusto | favor: yes |
| 06:59.30 | favor | no = now |
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| 07:05.31 | cretsiah | yay successful instal of opera :) |
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| 07:06.29 | macrobat | congrats |
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| 07:07.45 | acrobat | i need a liveCD that has a 64bit toolchain under 1gb pls |
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| 07:08.25 | macrobat | maybe sysresccd? |
| 07:09.06 | macrobat | i think you have to conf it or specify that you want 64, though |
| 07:09.15 | acrobat | where? |
| 07:09.25 | favor | hi, gusto, I've tried root (hd0,3), either root (hd0,3,a), and followed chainloader +1 . both not work. |
| 07:09.29 | cretsiah | theres scientific linux, centOS has 1 |
| 07:09.48 | macrobat | http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
| 07:11.40 | acrobat | im not sure sysrescuvecd has a toolchain |
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| 07:11.50 | acrobat | and i dont see 64bit anywhere |
| 07:12.35 | macrobat | it comes with a 64bit kernel too, i havent used the latest |
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| 07:14.09 | xNinja | for 64bit i will find all the 32bit packages ? or some are not ? |
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| 07:14.32 | xNinja | and is there will be any little problem while running 32bit softwares ? |
| 07:14.35 | xNinja | or scripts |
| 07:14.46 | macrobat | xNinja: can you say that more clearly? |
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| 07:15.07 | xNinja | i mean if i installed debian5 64bit...what problems i may face ? |
| 07:15.34 | macrobat | maybe there are problems with skype? |
| 07:15.41 | xNinja | and does it worth it i have core2duo 1.6ghz/1gb ram server ? |
| 07:15.49 | macrobat | maybe wine is a bit different |
| 07:15.51 | xNinja | its for server |
| 07:15.58 | xNinja | no gui |
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| 07:16.46 | macrobat | theres is almost no difference :) |
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| 07:17.08 | macrobat | you cannot chroot into a 64bit from a 32bit |
| 07:17.14 | xNinja | ooh then let me stick with the standard much better to not face problems |
| 07:17.27 | macrobat | there are no problems |
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| 07:19.00 | gusto | .. |
| 07:19.30 | favor | hi, gusto |
| 07:19.32 | xNinja | thanks for the replay macrobat |
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| 07:21.33 | macrobat | xNinja: but if you want special 32bit programs. you should use 32bit |
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| 07:30.45 | kyle_l5l_ | How can I completely disable ipv6 on squeeze? |
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| 07:32.47 | kyle_l5l_ | (or, does anybody know why I can sometimes connect to but never download from mirrors.kernel.org, http.us.debian.org, but for example, the EU mirrors work) |
| 07:34.00 | ehnvis | kyle_l5l_: http://fips.at/how-to-disable-ipv6-in-debian.html |
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| 07:49.47 | mike9494 | i tried debian-lenny last week on my laptop, and its really fast - boot time less then 30sec to X |
| 07:50.07 | mike9494 | but found it a bit :/ to find out that its still kde3 not 4 |
| 07:50.41 | mike9494 | ... so i tried the ubuntu (fork), stable - also 64bit.. with kde4 |
| 07:50.54 | mike9494 | but that takes like 1min boot-time |
| 07:51.20 | macrobat | boot time is not important to me |
| 07:52.27 | mike9494 | macrobat_: to me it is |
| 07:52.45 | mike9494 | i might buy a SSD today, well.. actually i dont think i have mooney for that |
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| 07:57.15 | macrobat | then there is lots of stuff you can do |
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| 07:58.16 | macrobat | compile a kernel, get rid of the initrd, use the right filesystem, close down services |
| 07:58.46 | macrobat | but you might want that convenience |
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| 07:59.01 | mike9494 | woops,... got disconnected |
| 07:59.35 | amanda-r | i'm using putty on w32 to connect to a squeeze system. after the ssh session has been idle for a while, it disconnects. is the way to prevent this behavior in sshd, or is it in putty? i want it to stay connected |
| 07:59.55 | macrobat | mike9494: you can get a lightweight WM, it wil launch faster |
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| 08:00.33 | cahoot | s2ram? |
| 08:01.04 | ehnvis | amanda-r: usually you get disconnected if your idle more than 30 minutes on an ssh session and its a security thing. should be possible to configure thou but i dont remember how. |
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| 08:04.02 | cahoot | amanda-r: possibly like this: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/linux/keep-your-linux-ssh-session-from-disconnecting/ |
| 08:04.25 | amanda-r | i keep a tunnel open for a vnc session. i frequently leave the vnc session idle, monitoring what's going on but not needing to interact. periodically the tunnel goes down and the vnc session snaps shut. extremely frustrating. |
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| 08:04.39 | mike9494 | macrobat_: can it be ubuntu's kernel/services boots slower |
| 08:06.27 | jmarsden | mike9494: use bootchart to see what your system is doing during boot. |
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| 08:08.09 | macrobat | if ubuntu is slower, i guess it does more things. also: ubuntu uses upstart, debian doesnt have that |
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| 08:19.00 | cretsiah | has a bad habbit of breaking ubuntu :( |
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| 08:23.34 | Rug | Does Stable still use KDE 3.5 libs? (or has it already moved to 4.x) |
| 08:24.33 | amanda-r | packages.debian.org will tell you i imagine |
| 08:24.48 | Rug | ok sorry to be a bother |
| 08:25.33 | liable | stable is kde3 |
| 08:25.38 | cahoot | Rug: stable really *is* stable |
| 08:25.57 | Rug | =) thanks |
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| 08:32.42 | neoice | I have a brand new file system mounted in /opt, but I cant execute a binary I'm staring right at... |
| 08:33.49 | cahoot | mounte noexec? |
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| 08:34.14 | cahoot | IIRC that's default if mounted by user |
| 08:34.20 | neoice | cahoot: no. in fact, I can move the binary to /root and it wont execute. |
| 08:34.22 | neoice | "not found" |
| 08:34.30 | neoice | "no such file or directory" actually |
| 08:35.03 | ehnvis | neoice: have you set chmod +x on it and how do you try to start it? |
| 08:35.22 | neoice | ehnvis: yeah. even tried 777. I just did 'ldd' on it and it says 'not executable' |
| 08:35.26 | neoice | but its got the ELF header |
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| 08:40.02 | neoice | heh. if I do -x, I get 'permission denied' |
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| 08:40.15 | do0ob | hi |
| 08:40.22 | cahoot | corrupt fs? |
| 08:40.25 | ehnvis | neoice: do you own the file? |
| 08:40.33 | do0ob | is there a place where people can submit official proposals for debian boot themes and grub splashes? |
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| 08:42.29 | neoice | ehnvis: I'm root, so yeah. |
| 08:42.47 | neoice | cahoot: I did fsck -f earlier and then just rebuilt the file system from scratch. even tried moving to a different file system. |
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| 08:43.57 | do0ob | neoice: what is the health status of the disk? have you checked the smart output? |
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| 08:44.13 | neoice | do0ob: its a LVM disk on a Xen guest |
| 08:44.18 | do0ob | ah |
| 08:44.45 | neoice | I can get it to run in another vm.... strange. |
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| 08:46.38 | neoice | I'm just going to recreate the VM and try again |
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| 08:50.33 | neoice | still nothing.... |
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| 08:59.45 | xNinja | hello @@ |
| 09:00.00 | disc0rd | I'm running lenny chrooted on my dlink nas and my uptime is way out... any ideas on where to start fixing it? |
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| 09:00.06 | disc0rd | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:00.29 | amanda-r | a reboot. |
| 09:00.29 | xNinja | if my debian box always uses the whole 512ram which i have...does making a big swap any good ? |
| 09:00.42 | disc0rd | it's still out after a reboot |
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| 09:00.59 | amanda-r | disc0rd: nvram date/time getting jacked after an ntpdate? |
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| 09:01.39 | disc0rd | not sure if it's using ntp, i'll check |
| 09:01.48 | disc0rd | maybe on the host system |
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| 09:02.38 | amanda-r | disc0rd: you're in a vm? |
| 09:02.39 | do0ob | xNinja: what is the 512 being used for? |
| 09:02.47 | disc0rd | in a chroot |
| 09:03.01 | cahoot | xNinja: with large you men significantly more than 1 gig? |
| 09:03.05 | do0ob | xNinja: it would be better to get more ram though |
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| 09:03.52 | amanda-r | disc0rd: actually you should probably leave it. 39 years is a pretty righteous uptime. |
| 09:05.09 | disc0rd | lol |
| 09:05.12 | do0ob | amanda-r: could the uptime get that high if the clock was changed? |
| 09:05.36 | disc0rd | now that u mention it |
| 09:05.46 | disc0rd | 39 years, that's unix day 1, isn't it? |
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| 09:06.24 | disc0rd | January 1, 1970 |
| 09:07.02 | disc0rd | not sure if that helps or not :) |
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| 09:16.32 | haunilistic | hi guys! i'm new to debian. just installed from the 5.03 dvd. now when it starts the x-server the screen goes blank and my monitor shows me a debug-msg about it's frequency defaults. can you tell me what i need to configure in order to get the X-Server running. i had a look in the xorg.conf file. don't know if it is used in debian, but it's nearly empty. please help |
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| 09:20.44 | disc0rd | haunilistic: did you try "Xorg -configure"? |
| 09:22.10 | disc0rd | http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml has some good info |
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| 09:23.16 | haunilistic | disc0rd ... oh i'll try |
| 09:23.40 | haunilistic | disc0rd .. but you agree it's a XServer configuration problem probably? |
| 09:24.21 | disc0rd | yeah, is it an lcd? |
| 09:24.32 | haunilistic | disc0rd yes |
| 09:24.47 | disc0rd | some of them can be pretty picky about resolutions |
| 09:25.09 | haunilistic | hm, ok, i'll try xorg -configure |
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| 09:27.22 | cambazz | what is a binNMU and what is a package rebuild |
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| 09:30.41 | haunilistic | disc0rd: how can i kill the running X-Server. Strg+Alt+Backspace is restarting it. ps auxw isn't showing a Xorg process |
| 09:31.01 | liable | stop your DM |
| 09:31.34 | beardy2 | !stop x |
| 09:31.34 | dpkg | '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' where ?dm is xdm, kdm, gdm, slim, or ?dm. Also ask me about "restart x" |
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| 09:31.52 | liable | thanks |
| 09:31.52 | disc0rd | yeah :) |
| 09:32.22 | disc0rd | prolly xdm or gdm |
| 09:32.24 | liable | @hi |
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| 09:32.50 | liable | simonrvn: doesn't ravenbird live here anymore? |
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| 09:35.49 | VladNistor | Good morning everyone :) I'm trying to install openoffice this morning using synaptic. I get an error; dpkg: unrecoverable fatala error, aborting: syntax error: unkown group 'gnokii' in startoverrid file . E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) A package failed to install. Trying to recover. I installed gnokii yesterday also using synaptic and uninstalled it the same way a short while after with no errors. What could be done to fix this |
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| 09:37.08 | angel | which package support gdb info file in debian??? |
| 09:38.31 | macrobat | i have only gdb an i have it as info |
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| 09:38.48 | Linux-IRC | Hi, is anyone here ? |
| 09:38.52 | macrobat | (im using sid) |
| 09:39.03 | macrobat | !ask |
| 09:39.03 | angel | when i exec 'info gdb' , i get gdb manunal page |
| 09:39.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 09:39.10 | brbrbr | greet anyone :) |
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| 09:39.38 | Linux-IRC | After installing tesitng i reinstall archlinux grub, now can't boot debian testing using root(hd0,x), configfile /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:40.26 | Linux-IRC | ? |
| 09:40.45 | disc0rd | angel: possibly gdb-doc? |
| 09:40.51 | Linux-IRC | Should i do configfile /boot/grub/menu.cfg ? |
| 09:40.53 | macrobat | sorry, angel the match was gdbm |
| 09:41.01 | johannes_ | disc0rd: it worked, thx |
| 09:41.02 | Linux-IRC | themill: ^ |
| 09:41.07 | Linux-IRC | Titan8990: ^ |
| 09:41.24 | macrobat | Linux-IRC: are you in a hurry? :) |
| 09:41.26 | TheJoe | Dpoes anyone have a clue where the python-libtorrent source is? It's evading me completely |
| 09:41.35 | TheJoe | And there's no lenny package as of yet :\ |
| 09:41.39 | Linux-IRC | macrobat: Can't boot debian |
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| 09:42.20 | macrobat | is it grub2 or grub legacy? |
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| 09:42.36 | macrobat | can you boot arch? |
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| 09:43.23 | macrobat | you should only have grub instaled on one system, not on both |
| 09:43.43 | Linux-IRC | macrobat: Yes, can boot arch |
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| 09:43.57 | Linux-IRC | macrobat: grub.cfg |
| 09:44.15 | macrobat | ok, so its grub2 |
| 09:44.28 | Linux-IRC | Will it work , configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg ? |
| 09:45.05 | VladNistor | Linux-IRC, you're not supposed to edit grub.cfg in grub2, as far as I know |
| 09:45.22 | macrobat | no, you edit stuff in /etc/ with grub2. grub.cfg will be overwritten by the system |
| 09:45.56 | Linux-IRC | VladNistor: I'm not editing grub.cfg |
| 09:46.51 | macrobat | if you choose to have grub installed on your arch system, you add some boot lines to a script in /etc |
| 09:47.16 | macrobat | you can ask #grub |
| 09:48.33 | macrobat | grub2 link http://grub.enbug.org/ |
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| 09:49.19 | disc0rd | TheJoe: http://pypi.python.org/pypi |
| 09:49.53 | ringo999 | trying to install postgresql-8.3 on lenny. However, services does not start and I can't find the .conf file? any idea? |
| 09:50.07 | TheJoe | disc0rd: I found it in the end, thanks anyway |
| 09:50.16 | disc0rd | ah, np |
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| 09:51.05 | macrobat | ppl these days, no patience |
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| 09:51.19 | teclo- | Hi, just upgraded testing, and now Amarok fucking crashes *again* at every startup ! Damnit ! |
| 09:51.35 | amanda-r | what you get for upgrading to a beta. |
| 09:51.55 | teclo- | Why don't you just rename "testing" to "broken" ? |
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| 09:52.03 | disc0rd | lol |
| 09:52.14 | teclo- | Sorry but it's really a pain to always have to fix that shit at every aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 09:52.15 | amanda-r | because that's sid, not testing. |
| 09:52.17 | cahoot | teclo-: would that stop you? |
| 09:52.22 | macrobat | there are other music players |
| 09:52.29 | teclo- | and also rename safe-upgrade to unsafe-upgrade, by the way |
| 09:52.29 | marko901 | hi, guys! i've added echo "nameserver IP.IP.IP.IP" >> /etc/resolv.conf to ifup-ppp but when I start ppp the nameserver is not there. what is not correct here? |
| 09:52.32 | amanda-r | if you want stability, use stable. now go away. |
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| 09:52.54 | teclo- | cahoot: well it might tempt me to switch to another distro ya know... |
| 09:53.01 | cahoot | horror |
| 09:53.01 | amanda-r | cry me a fucking river. |
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| 09:53.32 | macrobat | teclo-: use the bts |
| 09:53.34 | liable | cries amanda-r a river |
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| 09:53.58 | teclo- | and I'm not talking about nvidia kernel modules, it's now *six months* they are broken in testing |
| 09:54.04 | teclo- | and noone seems to care |
| 09:54.06 | macrobat | teclo-: and apt-listbugs |
| 09:54.10 | liable | teclo-: that kind of comment generally wont get you far in this channel.. |
| 09:54.25 | teclo- | liable: I know I know, I'm usually patient and calm. |
| 09:54.34 | macrobat | teclo-: so, compile your module |
| 09:54.34 | teclo- | And when I got a problem I always try to find out |
| 09:54.46 | teclo- | macrobat: even that doesn't work |
| 09:54.57 | teclo- | macrobat: you need to mix sid and testing and then compile the module |
| 09:54.59 | liable | if its that broken, use the nvidia installer. but again, you wont get much help here |
| 09:54.59 | macrobat | thats the beauty, you are motivated to learn |
| 09:55.02 | amanda-r | no you're being ignorant. |
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| 09:55.54 | teclo- | Well I'm sorry but I've been patient |
| 09:56.02 | amanda-r | fine. don't let the door hit you. |
| 09:56.50 | disc0rd | lol, i can't see/hear "you're being ignorant" without thinking of michael jackson on south park |
| 09:56.52 | amanda-r | if you want stability, use stable. if you want professional support, buy it. |
| 09:56.59 | macrobat | you can have a stable system and then another partition with testing if you want to experiment |
| 09:57.17 | amanda-r | if you just want to bitch, call your mother. |
| 09:57.25 | teclo- | macrobat: well I'm already dual booting between 64bit and 32 bit |
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| 09:57.53 | macrobat | what cant you run in 64 bit? |
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| 09:58.06 | teclo- | I can run in 64bit |
| 09:58.31 | teclo- | I like to dual boot between I sometime have to run 32-bit binaries |
| 09:58.50 | teclo- | Yes I know 64-bit Debian GNU/Linux should allow me to run 32-bit binaries |
| 09:59.01 | teclo- | but sometimes they don't work properly |
| 09:59.12 | teclo- | rarely though - I'm in 64-bit most of time |
| 09:59.23 | wildc4rd | morning all |
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| 10:00.23 | refreshF1N | my package manager finds 5 broken packages, and when i mark them for removal it wants to remove over 1100 packages with them. is there any way to fix this? |
| 10:01.06 | beardy2 | refreshF1N: Which package manager, and which packages? In what way/how are they broken? |
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| 10:01.59 | beardy2 | refreshF1N: Also which version of Debian? |
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| 10:02.32 | refreshF1N | both synaptics and apt-get give the same results. packages are i3-wm, libc6, libc6-dev, libc6-i686, locales |
| 10:02.51 | amanda-r | yeah. uh, removing libc6 will seriously fuck your machine up. |
| 10:03.16 | refreshF1N | i wanted to install i3-wm but it failed |
| 10:03.25 | refreshF1N | so now im fucked |
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| 10:05.58 | macrobat | aptitude usually suggests a solution |
| 10:06.12 | macrobat | idk how apt-get works |
| 10:06.38 | refreshF1N | apt-get wants to remove 2556MB |
| 10:06.41 | refreshF1N | ill try aptitude |
| 10:06.48 | kharloss | hi there. i made a big mistake trying to install a new kernel. i use tutorial form here http://wiki.fragaholics.de/index.php/EN:Linux_Kernel_Optimization , but accidentally i delete my /boot content excluding /grub folder. i already deleted some "shortcuts " from / folder initrd.img and vmlinuz ... i`m stucked .... any tutorial any advice i really apreciate ... |
| 10:07.05 | macrobat | i suppose it doesnt install pkgs if they will break others, unless you tell it to |
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| 10:07.57 | cahoot | kharloss: how about aptitude instal linux-image...? |
| 10:07.58 | macrobat | kharloss: can you install a debian kernel? aptitude search linux-image |
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| 10:08.50 | cahoot | kharloss: ..nad use kernelpackage next time? |
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| 10:09.36 | kharloss | problem is i can`t boot " Press any key to continue ... " |
| 10:09.57 | kharloss | i don`t have a debian server image ... only an old cd with ubuntu i guess |
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| 10:10.21 | macrobat | you need a live cd, then |
| 10:10.39 | djp__ | does anyone know what would be causing the following message, "snd-malloc: invalid device type 0"? |
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| 10:11.15 | refreshF1N | this is what aptitude gives me. it seems to have some PATH issues http://pastebin.ca/1702889 |
| 10:11.21 | amanda-r | kharloss: i see an iso or jigdo download in your future. |
| 10:12.16 | kharloss | amanda-r ...hope you are kidding .. |
| 10:12.30 | kharloss | can i acces my files using a live cd ? |
| 10:12.52 | macrobat | kharloss: you can access and back up your stuff |
| 10:12.56 | amanda-r | kharloss: no, i'm not kidding. there is a rescue mode, yes. |
| 10:13.14 | ringo999 | anybody got postgresql working on lenny 64? im getting an "incomplete startup packet" error in the log :-( |
| 10:13.17 | macrobat | heres a better link for kernel compiling: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=36525 |
| 10:15.00 | kharloss | macrobat ": thanks .. but my real problem now is recovery my system... i really have to use a debian cd server right ? i can`t use an old ubuntu cd ... |
| 10:15.03 | macrobat | kharloss: maybe the easiest would be back up and reinstall. otherwise you can chroot from a live cd and install a kernel |
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| 10:15.45 | macrobat | if you had a 64bit system you need a 64bit livecd to chroot |
| 10:15.56 | kharloss | second option looks great ... is 32 bit |
| 10:16.01 | macrobat | you dont need to chroot to access files and backup |
| 10:16.40 | VladNistor | I'm trying to install openoffice this morning and I get an error; dpkg: unrecoverable fatala error, aborting: syntax error: unkown group 'gnokii' in startoverrid file . E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) A package failed to install. Trying to recover. I installed gnokii yesterday also using synaptic and uninstalled it the same way a short while after with no errors. What could be done to fix this? |
| 10:16.45 | kharloss | macrobat ... i prefer second method chroot and installl a kernel |
| 10:16.59 | kharloss | can we talk for 5 min in private .. ? |
| 10:17.19 | kharloss | i don`t wanna flood chan with my problem .. |
| 10:17.26 | macrobat | im not really an expert on this |
| 10:17.39 | amanda-r | kharloss: no, you can't use an old ubuntu cd. start your download already. and it's generally impolite to ask for private support. that's what the channel is for. |
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| 10:18.18 | kharloss | ok , i`ll download a new debian image , it`s a good start for my problem |
| 10:19.47 | macrobat | idk, which debian cd images have "live" capabillities? :) |
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| 10:20.28 | VladNistor | nevermind, i edited the statoverride file and it now seems to work... |
| 10:20.30 | kharloss | amanda-r / macrobat debian-503-i386-netinst.iso is ok for recovering ? |
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| 10:20.43 | macrobat | amanda-r: do you know? |
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| 10:21.00 | amanda-r | kharloss: my suggestion is the full-sized installer. if you must do a cd and not a dvd, use #1. |
| 10:21.07 | macrobat | netinstall doesnt have much on it. is it enough? |
| 10:21.16 | amanda-r | i don't remember if the netinst cd has what you need or not. |
| 10:21.23 | macrobat | i have used this http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
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| 10:22.23 | macrobat | it may be quirky |
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| 10:24.57 | macrobat | kharloss: did you erase or overwrite anything else? |
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| 10:25.18 | kharloss | no , only /boot folder and those 2 shortcuts |
| 10:25.38 | kharloss | not entirely /boot /grub remains |
| 10:25.53 | kharloss | files inside /boot |
| 10:26.38 | kharloss | i think if i could download and put a kernel image in this folder ... everything will be ok .. i guess |
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| 10:35.16 | kharloss | macrobat / amanda-r i download my debian image ... can you give me a good tutorial doing this recovery ? |
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| 10:37.05 | kharloss | after my debian cd boot ... what`s next ? install or advanced / rescue mode ? |
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| 10:37.59 | macrobat | rescue |
| 10:38.43 | macrobat | i havent used it, so im guessing a bit here. do you have a shell? |
| 10:39.30 | kharloss | not yet ... looks like a normal debian installation now ... loading modules .. now asking me for network settings ... |
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| 10:40.55 | macrobat | yes, we need those things |
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| 10:42.43 | kharloss | after my hard isn`t identified ( maybe for a kernel problem ... ) now i have busybox shell |
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| 10:43.52 | kharloss | my disk is dev/i2o/hda1 / i have (hope) multiple partitions for /usr /var |
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| 10:44.01 | kharloss | but isn`t recognized .. |
| 10:44.06 | kharloss | how can i mount it ? |
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| 10:44.58 | teclo- | Ok, hi there, I'm running a mix of testing and sid because the nvidia kernel modules are broken in testing. I got nvidia-glx 185.18.36-2 but there is a newer one in sid: 190.42-3 . aptitude upgrade says nvidia-glx is kept back. How can I install version 190.42-3 of nvidia-glx ? |
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| 10:46.12 | Pudgy | join #lyx |
| 10:46.17 | Pudgy | oops ;) |
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| 10:46.26 | teclo- | missing / |
| 10:46.38 | Pudgy | hehe... right |
| 10:47.07 | macrobat | kharloss: are you using lvm or raid? |
| 10:47.21 | macrobat | are there no partitions in /dev ? |
| 10:48.24 | kharloss | using fdisk - l show me my partition |
| 10:48.45 | kharloss | dev/I20/hda1 is linux * |
| 10:48.56 | macrobat | ok |
| 10:49.16 | macrobat | we'll mount partitions om /mnt |
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| 10:49.37 | kharloss | all partitions ? |
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| 10:50.01 | macrobat | maybe we need / var and /usr |
| 10:50.13 | macrobat | mkdir /mnt/rescue |
| 10:50.35 | macrobat | mount dev/I20/hda1 /mnt/rescue |
| 10:50.59 | kharloss | done |
| 10:51.17 | macrobat | then mount the other partitions you need on /mnt/rescue/var and /mnt/rescue/usr |
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| 10:51.55 | macrobat | something like this: http://paste.debian.net/53179/ |
| 10:52.14 | macrobat | i didnt use your exact device name |
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| 10:54.11 | macrobat | the bind mounts borrow resources from your live system to the dead one :) |
| 10:56.13 | kharloss | hmm my problem is .. i have 9 partitions first boot part and swap partition i know what is .. |
| 10:56.29 | macrobat | you dont need swap |
| 10:56.30 | kharloss | can i mount and dismount to see the content ... right ? |
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| 10:57.01 | macrobat | yeah, make another test directory to mount on |
| 10:57.13 | macrobat | we want /boot |
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| 10:58.26 | macrobat | a hint for later: if you use ext3 or ext4 you can set labels on the partitions with tune2fs -L |
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| 10:58.35 | omid8bimo | "The open-source philosophy is all about unexpected!" |
| 10:59.14 | kharloss | i followed the standard instalation ... nothing changed |
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| 11:00.05 | macrobat | you reinstalled debian? |
| 11:00.13 | kharloss | but not entire partition for all folders .. separate partitions for some folderd .. but i don`t remember now which folders .. and size alocated for each one .. |
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| 11:00.52 | kharloss | no ... i installed first two month ago .. using the default partitions that debian installer give me |
| 11:01.01 | macrobat | such things are good to have documented |
| 11:01.10 | macrobat | ok |
| 11:01.32 | kharloss | i guess this scheme " For multi-user systems or systems with lots of disk space, it's best to put /usr, /var, /tmp, and /home each on their own partitions separate from the / partition. " |
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| 11:02.12 | kharloss | but problem is i don`t know which sizes is every partition |
| 11:02.20 | macrobat | sounds like a server installation :) |
| 11:02.48 | macrobat | you need to find out which is which |
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| 11:03.24 | markwell | 56ls |
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| 11:04.19 | macrobat | you dont need /home or /tmp |
| 11:04.28 | macrobat | to mount, i mean |
| 11:04.39 | Titan | Is it safe to mount /tmp with noexec? I read somewhere dpkg needs to exact executables there and run them |
| 11:04.58 | Titan | I made /tmp into /dev/shm/tmp |
| 11:05.10 | kharloss | i mount first partition and boot/grub is in it .. |
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| 11:07.24 | macrobat | are there other folders besides /boot in it? |
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| 11:08.00 | kharloss | yes is inside |
| 11:08.09 | macrobat | if /boot is a partition, it doesnt have a /boot folder in it |
| 11:08.40 | kharloss | yes i understand now ... |
| 11:08.48 | kharloss | boot is inside .. and grub .. |
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| 11:09.38 | kharloss | i have a dev/i2o/hda2 - Extended 7148217 |
| 11:09.46 | kharloss | cound be this one /usr ? |
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| 11:10.22 | kharloss | i have 3 types of partition types .. Linux / Extended / swap .. forget about swap .. |
| 11:10.58 | macrobat | you have to mount them and look inside, what folders do they contain? |
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| 11:11.31 | macrobat | i thought you were doing that :D |
| 11:12.23 | thrashold | kharloss: That's probably the extended partition, which contains the rest of your partitions. /dev/i2o/hda2 is probably one byte (fdisk -s /dev/i2o/hda2) |
| 11:12.24 | kharloss | i try mount /var but is /usr how unmount it / |
| 11:12.24 | kharloss | ? |
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| 11:14.50 | macrobat | umount <directory> |
| 11:15.01 | macrobat | no "n" |
| 11:15.49 | teclo- | yeah |
| 11:16.04 | teclo- | the n from umount was lost at AT&T in the 1970s |
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| 11:16.34 | action09 | why ? :) |
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| 11:19.45 | macrobat | teclo-: idk, i install nvidia-glx after i compile the nvidia module |
| 11:19.46 | kharloss | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:19.51 | kharloss | whats next ? |
| 11:20.07 | macrobat | teclo-: idk, i install nvidia-glx after i compile the nvidia module |
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| 11:20.13 | macrobat | oups :) |
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| 11:20.41 | macrobat | and /boot is mounted? |
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| 11:21.46 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.53 | kharloss | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.32 | macrobat | then do the three mount -o bind lines |
| 11:23.06 | macrobat | the "chroot" line needs a little edit first |
| 11:23.56 | macrobat | it should be chroot /mnt/rescue /bin/bash |
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| 11:27.51 | macrobat | did it work, kharloss ? |
| 11:28.56 | kharloss | macrobat : /mnt/rescue /bin/ ( if i try to autocomplete bash isn`t recognized |
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| 11:30.26 | DeSian_ | hi |
| 11:30.30 | macrobat | you have to spell it out then. do you use another shell? |
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| 11:31.18 | kharloss | i use this tut install mu server http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect-server-debian-lenny-ispconfig3-p3 |
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| 11:31.42 | macrobat | did you chroot, did your promt change? |
| 11:31.45 | DeSian_ | if i want to join #debian with freenode webchat, have this message "#debian You're banned from that channel" |
| 11:31.57 | DeSian_ | is webchat user banned her? |
| 11:32.44 | macrobat | DeSian_: maybe #freenode knows |
| 11:32.58 | kharloss | no i din`t chroot yet .. untill my command wasn`t recognized |
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| 11:35.06 | macrobat | chroot /mnt/rescue /bin/bash |
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| 11:35.32 | macrobat | what happens if you just do "chroot" |
| 11:35.44 | macrobat | or "which chroot" |
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| 11:36.07 | kharloss | looks ok after "chroot /mnt/rescue /bin/bash" |
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| 11:36.46 | macrobat | aptitude search linux-image |
| 11:36.59 | macrobat | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:37.09 | macrobat | update-grub |
| 11:37.19 | DeSian_ | macrobat, i found it out, the #debian banned every webchat user not freenode |
| 11:37.37 | macrobat | ok, DeSian_ |
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| 11:38.48 | macrobat | kharloss: then you see if there are new stuff in /boot with: ls /boot |
| 11:39.05 | kharloss | "after " aptitude search linux-image " a lot of packages there ... which one ? i have an 5 year xeon cpu ... |
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| 11:39.21 | nathan7 | kharloss: uname -a |
| 11:39.35 | kharloss | i686 |
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| 11:40.06 | nathan7 | linux-image-686 |
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| 11:41.34 | macrobat | search, then install the latest linux-image-686 |
| 11:41.46 | kharloss | "can not write log .. openpty () failed /dev/pts bot munted ? " |
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| 11:42.56 | macrobat | does it refuse to work or is it just a warning? |
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| 11:44.26 | kharloss | after update-grub searching for splash image .. none skipping ... grep /boot/config no such file ... updating /boot / grub/menu . lsgt .. done .. |
| 11:44.34 | kharloss | reboot ? |
| 11:45.22 | macrobat | look in /boot |
| 11:45.32 | macrobat | is there a vmlinuz? |
| 11:45.41 | kharloss | no |
| 11:45.50 | macrobat | then its not installed |
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| 11:46.12 | macrobat | lets try to mount devpts: |
| 11:46.22 | macrobat | open another tty |
| 11:46.47 | kharloss | doit |
| 11:46.51 | kharloss | alt ff2 |
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| 11:47.01 | kharloss | alt f2 next ? |
| 11:47.29 | kharloss | hmmm in /mnt nothing is mojunted now .. but i did it before |
| 11:47.38 | hoo-hah | anyone know if grub-legacy produces .mod files in /boot/grub? |
| 11:47.48 | macrobat | mount -o bind /dev/pts /mnt/rescue/pts |
| 11:47.52 | hoo-hah | I reverted from grub2 to -legacy, and it seems those files were left over. |
| 11:48.02 | jetscreamer | no it doesn't |
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| 11:48.05 | macrobat | hmm, kharloss i have to go in a short while |
| 11:48.07 | jetscreamer | that's a grub2 thing |
| 11:48.16 | hoo-hah | jetscreamer: i hate it! |
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| 11:48.36 | macrobat | whats bad about grub2? |
| 11:48.40 | jetscreamer | hoo-hah: i tried it a when it came out. it's been gone a while |
| 11:49.00 | macrobat | (other than bad documentation?) |
| 11:49.01 | hoo-hah | so you're back to using legacy? |
| 11:49.10 | jetscreamer | macrobat: what's the grub2 equiv of setdefault |
| 11:49.23 | jetscreamer | err |
| 11:49.31 | macrobat | dont remember |
| 11:49.32 | jetscreamer | savedefault.. or whatever it is |
| 11:49.48 | jetscreamer | heh... nobody seems/seemed to, either |
| 11:50.00 | jetscreamer | it's was also kinda.. fugly |
| 11:50.05 | jetscreamer | it |
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| 11:50.32 | macrobat | i liked the grub2 prompt |
| 11:50.45 | macrobat | kharloss: ? |
| 11:51.02 | kharloss | yes |
| 11:51.06 | kharloss | now i`m doing |
| 11:51.27 | hoo-hah | with legacy I was able to do map (hdx) (hdy); map (hdy) (hdx) for my windows partition, no go with grub2 |
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| 11:52.00 | macrobat | kharloss: what is mounted? |
| 11:52.51 | kharloss | after update-grub anything |
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| 11:52.58 | hoo-hah | I have a setup where one sata drive goes offline with inactivity (yeah, I need to address that too) and grub-legacy lets it go, while grub2 fails to load up if the setup has changed somewhat |
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| 11:53.55 | hoo-hah | what does the devel installer use by default? |
| 11:54.10 | hoo-hah | of grub options |
| 11:54.34 | kharloss | i mounted before using mount /dev/i2o/hda1 /mnt/rescue |
| 11:54.55 | kharloss | i have use mount -o bind /dev/i2o/hda1 /mnt/rescue ? |
| 11:54.58 | hoo-hah | I really wish I could figure out which files grub2 generates when it gets install to /boot partition |
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| 11:55.43 | macrobat | ok, mount everything again, instal the kernel, look for it in /boot. read the menu.lst |
| 11:55.46 | jetscreamer | hoo-hah: when i had the leftovers, i found it didn't matter, they could just stay there and do nothing, if that helps |
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| 11:55.58 | macrobat | just mount /dev/i2o/hda1 /mnt/rescue |
| 11:56.08 | macrobat | no -o bind there |
| 11:56.17 | hoo-hah | jetscreamer: yeah, they seem harmless.. just hate seeing unnecessary clutter |
| 11:56.22 | macrobat | brb |
| 11:56.27 | hoo-hah | lean mean green teen |
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| 11:56.58 | macrobat | hmm, someone help the newb with chroot ^ |
| 11:57.52 | jetscreamer | !chroot |
| 11:57.53 | dpkg | a way to change the root directory of a process, see also http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch09.en.html#_chroot_system |
| 11:57.57 | jetscreamer | !rescue |
| 11:57.58 | dpkg | it has been said that rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?"). Ask me about <rescue mode>. See also <fixmbr> and <i forgot root's password>. |
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| 12:00.40 | TechnicalParadox | having problems setting timezone and date and time, got any ideas? |
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| 12:01.09 | ootput | here's an idea: list the problems |
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| 12:01.30 | TechnicalParadox | that is the problem. timezone is wrong and i cant seem to keep the changes |
| 12:01.52 | jetscreamer | !tzconfig |
| 12:01.52 | dpkg | methinks timezone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
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| 12:02.24 | skorpan | hi. i copied a bunch of files from my computer onto my cell phone. is it necessary to run "sync" afterwards? |
| 12:02.40 | jetscreamer | it's not a bad idea |
| 12:02.47 | ootput | TechnicalParadox: local or UTC? |
| 12:02.51 | jetscreamer | can't swear you have to though |
| 12:02.53 | skorpan | because it seems to take *forever* to run sync... |
| 12:03.09 | jetscreamer | shouldn't.. unless it has to actually finish writing |
| 12:03.11 | TechnicalParadox | ootput: prefer local |
| 12:03.35 | TechnicalParadox | and isnt it tzselect? on etch? |
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| 12:03.57 | jetscreamer | apparently not according to dpkg |
| 12:03.57 | TechnicalParadox | !tzselect |
| 12:03.57 | dpkg | timezone is, like, the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
| 12:04.28 | jetscreamer | :o deja vu |
| 12:04.29 | kharloss | right comand for mount /usr if is in separate partition is " mount -o bind dev/i2o/hda5 /mnt/rescue/usr " or is enough " mount dev/i2o/hda5 /mnt/rescue/usr " ? |
| 12:04.56 | jetscreamer | bind is if you want to mount it again i 'think' |
| 12:04.58 | f00li5h | meow! |
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| 12:05.09 | jetscreamer | again somewhere else |
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| 12:05.21 | f00li5h | I have messed up my dhclient config, it's just using static stuff from somewhere ... where could I have changed that? |
| 12:05.29 | skorpan | thanks |
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| 12:05.36 | jetscreamer | !resolv.conf |
| 12:05.36 | dpkg | resolv.conf is probably /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>. |
| 12:05.37 | TechnicalParadox | "CP ommitting directory 'usr/share/zoneinfo'" |
| 12:05.39 | f00li5h | i'm not getting nameservers from the dhcpd |
| 12:06.05 | jetscreamer | /msg dpkg fixresolvconf maybe |
| 12:06.06 | f00li5h | dpkg: fixrecolvconf |
| 12:06.07 | dpkg | f00li5h: wish i knew |
| 12:06.16 | f00li5h | dpkg: fixresolvconf |
| 12:06.17 | jetscreamer | .... /msg |
| 12:06.17 | dpkg | To fix your /etc/resolv.conf: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf to include the nameservers you want to use (ask me about <override dns>). Alternatively, use <resolvconf> and specify the nameservers yourself: echo -e "nameserver a.b.c.d\nnameserver w.x.y.z" > /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/base; resolvconf -u (where a.b.c.d and w.x.y.z are your ISPs nameservers). Also ask me about <fixresolvconf the ugly way>. |
| 12:06.22 | TechnicalParadox | i also have a root terminal open |
| 12:07.47 | f00li5h | jetscreamer: none of the nameservers are coming from the ISP |
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| 12:07.59 | f00li5h | this does not describe the issue I have |
| 12:08.12 | jetscreamer | f00li5h: not sure, beyond me atm... need sleep. |
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| 12:08.32 | f00li5h | well, i've got one lease to figure it out before the file is re-generated -_- |
| 12:09.16 | jetscreamer | i have to wake up in an hour or two :/ |
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| 12:09.58 | ootput | jetscreamer: sleep is for the weak |
| 12:10.47 | ootput | a real man loads up on a enough Jolt to make a dentist cry |
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| 12:15.17 | hoo-hah | ootput: Jolt not listed in The Alphabet of Manliness |
| 12:15.43 | flower | can someone help me setup sSMTP for gmail? |
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| 12:15.52 | flower | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:17.37 | flower | but got an authent. error |
| 12:17.55 | flower | what should be the AuthUser='''username''' ? |
| 12:18.13 | flower | username@gmail.com or just username? |
| 12:18.42 | flower | and how to "tell your MUA to run /usr/sbin/ssmtp for outgoing mails" |
| 12:18.46 | flower | ? |
| 12:19.07 | dutchfish | flower, have you installed ssl? and: http://www.debianadmin.com/configure-gmail-in-evolution-thunderbird-or-kmail.html |
| 12:19.08 | simonrvn | gmail usually accepts just the username of the address, but for their stuff. i'd use the whole username not a subsetted part of it. |
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| 12:20.13 | hoo-hah | flower: MUA like thunderbird or mutt |
| 12:20.19 | hoo-hah | or sylpheed claws |
| 12:20.43 | dutchfish | flower, http://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP |
| 12:20.53 | ootput | dutchfish: see above |
| 12:21.19 | dutchfish | ootput, ? |
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| 12:21.29 | ootput | 23:15 â¹flower⺠I found this: http://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP |
| 12:21.47 | dutchfish | ootput, ah ic |
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| 12:29.43 | dalias | getting frequent crashes in firefox since upgrading pango from 1.24 to 1.26 a few days ago |
| 12:29.56 | dalias | is this a known issue? |
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| 12:30.33 | dalias | (this is firefox, not the debian iceweasel package, bt the crashes only started happenbing with pango upgrade) |
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| 12:32.59 | hark | dalias: there's the bts for known issues |
| 12:33.07 | hark | but no problems here |
| 12:33.12 | flower | Sending message via /usr/sbin/sendmail... |
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| 12:33.25 | flower | shouldn't take > 10 min right? |
| 12:33.28 | flower | damn |
| 12:34.08 | kharloss | right comand for mount /usr if is in separate partition is " mount -o bind dev/i2o/hda5 /mnt/rescue/usr " or is enough " mount dev/i2o/hda5 /mnt/rescue/usr " ? |
| 12:34.20 | dalias | maybe i should try renaming my .fonts or .fonts.conf and see if the problem goes away, i.e. if some particular font is making it crash.. |
| 12:35.34 | massmc | hi, whats good for a storage and backup drive partition.. ext3 or xfs |
| 12:35.50 | format_c | kharloss, the bind option's purpose is to mount an already mounted device on an extra mount point. |
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| 12:36.36 | format_c | If the partition is not already been mounted somewhere, the bind option can be omitted |
| 12:36.52 | kharloss | i booted allready "mount dev/i2o/hda1 /mnt/rescue " and my /usr is partition dev/i2o/hda5 |
| 12:37.13 | abrotman | massmc: if you have to ask, ext3 |
| 12:38.11 | lvh | Any idea how I can make Empathy do MSN? I've installed telepathy-butterfly, I was hoping that would be everything |
| 12:38.11 | flower | damn shouldn't be so hard to just report a bug right |
| 12:38.24 | kharloss | after " mount dev/i2o/hda1 /mnt/rescue " it`s ok "mount -o bind dev/i2o/hda5 /mnt/rescue/usr " or "mount dev/i2o/hda5 /mnt/rescue/usr" ? format_c ? |
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| 12:39.16 | flower | damn |
| 12:39.23 | format_c | kharloss, without the bind option. |
| 12:39.34 | kharloss | thanks |
| 12:39.54 | format_c | as I said. the bind option is only needed when the partition is already mounted somewhere. |
| 12:40.13 | kharloss | i see .. but mount -o bind /proc /mnt/rescue/proc/ is ok .. |
| 12:40.14 | kharloss | thanks |
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| 12:41.29 | flower | why are you talking about SSL? and this guide about TLS? |
| 12:41.53 | flower | http://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP |
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| 12:42.11 | flower | and how to set up thundebird? |
| 12:42.43 | flower | does sSMTP uses thunderbird? |
| 12:42.43 | flower | I just want to use reportbug in terminal |
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| 12:44.52 | hoo-hah | what's a good lightweight pdf reader that isn't nearly as fugly as xpdf |
| 12:44.57 | massmc | abrotman, it's an external hdd that u will be using for backup.. I might go JFS |
| 12:45.00 | hoo-hah | gtk-based, if need be |
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| 12:47.07 | ootput | hoo-hah: epdfviewer |
| 12:47.10 | lvh | hoo-hah: evince, epdfview |
| 12:47.35 | lvh | I think both are GTK-based, but epdfview is based on Poppler. |
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| 12:48.46 | themill | so is evince |
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| 12:50.03 | flower | ok fucking reportbugs from my side for debian |
| 12:50.04 | hoo-hah | acroread just takes to long |
| 12:50.12 | flower | *no |
| 12:50.14 | hoo-hah | seems it's all the plugins it loads by default.. |
| 12:50.28 | hoo-hah | but I do like th eway it renders text. clear and crisp |
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| 12:50.58 | hoo-hah | epdfview's output appears similar to xpdf's |
| 12:51.01 | jelly-home | hoo-hah: kpdf is ok (or okular on KDE4) |
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| 12:53.34 | ootput | hoo-hah: aren't you running an amd64 install? |
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| 12:53.39 | GattoDiSchroding | hi |
| 12:53.46 | hoo-hah | ootput: yeah |
| 12:53.56 | themill | flower: you can tell reportbug to save the file and then send it with your normal MUA |
| 12:54.05 | GattoDiSchroding | aftere some upgrade yesterday kde doesn't start |
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| 12:54.14 | ootput | hoo-hah: you'd rid yourself of some 32bit libs if you forgo adobese reader |
| 12:54.26 | nathan7 | _ |
| 12:54.31 | GattoDiSchroding | there is some broken package |
| 12:54.35 | hoo-hah | hoo-hah: yeah, I just purged it |
| 12:54.46 | hoo-hah | 2 32-bit packages removed |
| 12:55.07 | GattoDiSchroding | kde-minimal: Dipende: kdebase-workspace (>= 4:4.3.1) ma non sta per essere installato |
| 12:55.46 | hoo-hah | is there a default pdf viewer setting set on debian? |
| 12:55.46 | GattoDiSchroding | anyone having this problem? |
| 12:55.52 | hoo-hah | like there is for www-x-browser(sp?) |
| 12:55.55 | simonrvn | no |
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| 12:56.34 | flower | themill: how much work should reporting a bug cost a user? |
| 12:57.02 | yskapell | hello |
| 12:57.23 | yskapell | I just installed debian-lenny-amd64 and I can not see graphics |
| 12:58.03 | yskapell | I run dpkg-reconfigure xorgxserver-xorg but no luck |
| 12:58.07 | abrotman | wrong |
| 12:58.08 | themill | flower: eh? Just configure either your MTA or reportbug correctly. It's not hard. |
| 12:58.13 | yskapell | I installed from aptitute the nvidia drivers again nothing |
| 12:58.15 | abrotman | yskapell: aptitude install xorg |
| 12:58.15 | yskapell | any idea? |
| 12:58.25 | abrotman | yskapell: and what is your video card? |
| 12:58.53 | yskapell | gefroce, and the drivers are installed and xorg is installed also |
| 12:59.52 | flower | themill: it's not hard, but this aint fix it for me: http://wiki.debian.org/sSMTP |
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| 13:00.14 | yskapell | I n etsh I used xorgconfig (or older) to setup X. How can I do it in Lenny?? |
| 13:00.35 | GattoDiSchroding | After yesterday updates kde will not start.I tried with 'apt-get install kde-minimal "but there are some missing dependencies (squeeze) |
| 13:00.37 | flower | themill: nothing is hard if you know how to do it |
| 13:00.41 | themill | flower: why not just use debian's smtp server for reportbug? "reportbug --configure" will give you that option |
| 13:00.45 | GattoDiSchroding | http://paste.debian.net/53165 |
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| 13:01.28 | simonrvn | GattoDiSchroding: LANG=C apt-get install kde-minimal |
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| 13:02.29 | GattoDiSchroding | simonrvn: http://paste.debian.net/53195/ |
| 13:02.52 | flower | themill: I don't get that option clearly |
| 13:03.02 | simonrvn | the command is: LANG=C apt-get install kde-minimal |
| 13:03.07 | yskapell | any idea? |
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| 13:04.28 | simonrvn | GattoDiSchroding: the command is: "LANG=C apt-get install kde-minimal" |
| 13:05.29 | GattoDiSchroding | simonrvn: this is the uotput http://paste.debian.net/53195/ |
| 13:05.50 | f00li5h | is there a good way to diff my current configs against those from the package? |
| 13:05.57 | simonrvn | GattoDiSchroding: you're not paying attention |
| 13:06.03 | abrotman | f00li5h: it asks you when you install |
| 13:06.19 | themill | flower: reportbug --configure: «Do you have a "mail transport agent" (MTA) like Exim, Postfix or SSMTP configured on this computer to send mail to the Internet? [y|N|q|?]?» You should answer N here. |
| 13:06.27 | f00li5h | abrotman: already installed |
| 13:06.31 | f00li5h | and at current |
| 13:06.42 | abrotman | so you mean your old one ? |
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| 13:06.57 | abrotman | f00li5h: if you've modified the conf file .. when you update the package, it should ask you |
| 13:07.07 | flower | themill: ok, have it, thanks |
| 13:07.14 | f00li5h | so how do I "update" when i've got current installed? |
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| 13:07.34 | abrotman | f00li5h: so you want to get the original conf file? |
| 13:07.56 | f00li5h | yes and diff that against my current config |
| 13:08.03 | f00li5h | 'cause i've fucked somethign up |
| 13:08.07 | abrotman | make a backup of your conf file |
| 13:08.11 | abrotman | !tell f00li5h about confmiss |
| 13:08.37 | simonrvn | i don't have all day to spend with this dude, i have to leave soon. |
| 13:09.19 | GattoDiSchroding | simonrvn: what's wrong in my command? |
| 13:09.24 | hoo-hah | is it advisable to use nfs3 or nfs4? |
| 13:09.33 | hoo-hah | nfs4 is listed as experimental in kernel options |
| 13:09.42 | hoo-hah | is that still the case? |
| 13:11.29 | themill | GattoDiSchroding: can you pastebin the output of "LANG=C apt-cache policy kde-minimal kdebase-workspace ; LANG=C aptitude -f full-upgrade" |
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| 13:13.44 | GattoDiSchroding | themill: http://paste.debian.net/53197/ ; http://paste.debian.net/53198/ |
| 13:14.19 | kharloss | i followed the tutorial frm here recovering my debian ( http://paste.debian.net/53179/ ) but i can`t install linux-image-686 ... |
| 13:14.21 | kharloss | any help ? |
| 13:15.30 | kharloss | at line 12 ... |
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| 13:16.04 | themill | GattoDiSchroding: hm.... so what does "LANG=C aptitude install kde-minimal" want to do? |
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| 13:17.52 | GattoDiSchroding | themill: http://paste.debian.net/53199/ |
| 13:19.00 | GattoDiSchroding | but so kde will not work... |
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| 13:19.50 | do0ob | Anyone using splashy here? |
| 13:19.57 | do0ob | i'm finding that its dropping out of splashy too soon |
| 13:20.08 | do0ob | woops |
| 13:20.10 | do0ob | i mean usplash |
| 13:20.15 | do0ob | !usplash |
| 13:20.42 | themill | GattoDiSchroding: looks like KDE has got caught up in a GNOME transition too. yay. You'll have to make a testing/unstable mix to be able to install it. /msg dpkg tum |
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| 13:21.03 | GattoDiSchroding | :( |
| 13:22.17 | GattoDiSchroding | the situation is becoming worse |
| 13:22.53 | do0ob | GattoDiSchroding: whats happening? |
| 13:23.18 | themill | GattoDiSchroding: testing is called testing for a reason |
| 13:23.53 | abrotman | or just wait |
| 13:24.00 | GattoDiSchroding | I wanted to say that these problems with Debian testing are becoming more frequent in recent times |
| 13:24.31 | hoo-hah | GattoDiSchroding: true |
| 13:24.42 | themill | GattoDiSchroding: yes, that's intentional as otherwise there are too many transitions getting rolled into each other and the entire things grinds to a halt |
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| 13:24.52 | abrotman | GattoDiSchroding: there are numerous *major* transitions going on .. if you want a stable system, don't use testing/unstable .. |
| 13:24.55 | hoo-hah | GattoDiSchroding: though I find it best to keep downloaded packages cached and downgrade where a previously working package now does |
| 13:25.13 | hoo-hah | *doesn't |
| 13:25.31 | GattoDiSchroding | ok, ty |
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| 13:25.39 | hoo-hah | downgrade + hold, that is |
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| 13:26.10 | Georgius | Hi, i have still problem with my Debian router. After Etch->Lenny upgrade it stoped forwarding packets. I have one port forwarded into inner network and this works, I can connect out from the router, but there is no way for local net users to get "out". It is quite similar (but not the same, I can't even ping out) with this: http://www.phwinfo.com/forum/linux-debian-user/350073-ip-forwarding-router-box-no-longer-working-after-lenny-upgrade-can-ping-bu |
| 13:26.56 | GattoDiSchroding | ok, i just installed kde-minimal kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-bin libxklavier15 from sid. Now it sould work |
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| 13:29.14 | GattoDiSchroding | it worked |
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| 13:32.56 | Melior | hi. Does anyone know a tool which can extract .idx/.sub from a dvd? |
| 13:33.14 | brbrbr | yeah. hammer |
| 13:33.39 | brbrbr | and ordinary file manager can do that |
| 13:33.56 | brbrbr | kino ? |
| 13:34.45 | Melior | brbrbr: talking to me? |
| 13:35.22 | brbrbr | Melior i tried, but seems im wrong. ignore me, please[bad mood] |
| 13:35.49 | ootput | Melior: mencoder does that |
| 13:36.55 | ootput | -vobsubout <basename> |
| 13:37.18 | Melior | ootput: Thanks :) |
| 13:38.42 | ootput | nw |
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| 13:48.55 | f00li5h | hrm |
| 13:49.19 | f00li5h | how do I ask dpkg which package a file belongs to? |
| 13:49.29 | abrotman | f00li5h: dpkg -S |
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| 13:50.23 | f00li5h | hrm |
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| 13:51.47 | Melior | Does anyone know a tool to mount rarfiles? |
| 13:52.08 | nkuttler | rar is a compression, not something you can mount |
| 13:52.27 | Melior | nkuttler: And if they aren't compressed it's possible |
| 13:52.59 | nkuttler | Melior: run file on it |
| 13:53.00 | abrotman | you mean.. if you extract them? |
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| 13:53.34 | Melior | No just mount them like iso |
| 13:53.41 | Melior | and then acces files inside it |
| 13:54.05 | nkuttler | Melior: you want to unrar it before you do anything else... |
| 13:54.13 | llutz | Melior: use mc |
| 13:55.00 | Melior | nkuttler: Not unrar anything. Just mount and access files |
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| 13:55.16 | abrotman | Melior: in which OS can you 'mount' a RAR file ? |
| 13:55.43 | Melior | abrotman: possible in win and ubuntu. |
| 13:55.44 | nkuttler | maybe he just means access the files and is confused what mount means |
| 13:55.51 | vy | Is it possible to adjust the console screen resolution in Debian Live (standard)? |
| 13:56.09 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure he's not 'mounting' it .. but probably 'exploring' the archive and adding files |
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| 13:56.24 | ehnvis | i think Melior is trying to mount an iso file not a rar file. some people just think its a rar file due to the icon it gets in windows if you have winrar installed |
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| 13:57.10 | gernot | Hi. I must be searching for this wrong. I'm looking for an alternative for that Apple Time Machine thing. Personally I use rsnapshot, but as far as I can tell only Time Machine has the function to use an entire hard drive and delete stuff when it's getting full. AFAIK with rsnapshot you have to eyeball the needed space beforehand. For the person I want to set this up for that wouldn't be an option. |
| 13:57.27 | Melior | ehnvis: No, lets say i got a movie in rar files and just want to mount them in order to watch the movie. And don't want to extract it |
| 13:57.33 | nkuttler | gernot: i like backuppc |
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| 13:57.46 | kharloss | i have a problem .. this is my problem and what i did untill now .. http://paste.debian.net/53201/ any help ? |
| 13:57.48 | gernot | nkuttler, thank you, I'll have a look. |
| 13:57.53 | ehnvis | Melior: got ya and thats not possible. BUT vlc does play em on the fly. |
| 13:58.04 | abrotman | Melior: but it is extracted .. just not to your filesystem |
| 13:58.05 | nkuttler | gernot: bacula seems to be popular too |
| 13:58.24 | Melior | ehnvis: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=573307 |
| 13:59.22 | abrotman | so it tells you how to do it |
| 13:59.24 | nkuttler | Melior: well, so install yourself fuse + that rarfs thing.. |
| 13:59.49 | Melior | yes, but i get a lot of errors. So maybe there was something better |
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| 14:01.16 | abrotman | so from what i see .. yes it's what i said above |
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| 14:12.30 | do0ob | abrotman: you use usplash right? |
| 14:13.11 | do0ob | my usplash drops out of the theme too early, then shows some text and then switches to a different screen, some more text and then xor |
| 14:13.12 | do0ob | xorg |
| 14:13.15 | do0ob | need to stop that |
| 14:14.04 | gernot | nkuttler, bacula, backuppc and others seem to be complicated client-server solutions. I'm looking for a "plug-in the HD and click backup" solution for a single laptop. So far it seems like I should still go with rsnapshot and waste some HD space to be sure it won't run out of space. |
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| 14:14.55 | phogg | gernot: rsync, write a simple command line, save to a shell script, execute when a shortcut is clicked. |
| 14:16.19 | gernot | phogg, that way I wouldn't get snapshots though. |
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| 14:20.09 | do0ob | Is bootsplash still supported? |
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| 14:20.47 | phogg | gernot: a less simple command line can work around that. |
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| 14:22.59 | Zambezi | I want to change a certain hdd another /dev/sdf instead, but I don't want to automount it. How should I write in fstab using uuid (or similar)? |
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| 14:23.15 | bazyli | Hi all |
| 14:23.17 | nkuttler | phogg: afaik gnome has something like that |
| 14:23.45 | nkuttler | phogg: time vault |
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| 14:25.15 | abrotman | do0ob: i have used it .. on a netbook .. possibly a framebuffer issue ? |
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| 14:27.27 | do0ob | abrotman: could be, but grub sets that up, apart form being slightly slow when scrolling dmesg the console is fine |
| 14:27.39 | abrotman | do0ob: i'm also using grub2 if that matters |
| 14:27.53 | EE_BB | hii how could I configure that only some ip address can access server via ssh |
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| 14:28.14 | EE_BB | is there any parameters in ssh conf ? |
| 14:28.27 | do0ob | abrotman: is splashy still supported? |
| 14:28.47 | abrotman | do0ob: i'd assume so, but usplash was easier, so that's what i went with |
| 14:29.00 | do0ob | ok i'll try splashy |
| 14:29.01 | brbrbr | do0ob in Lenny yes |
| 14:29.20 | brbrbr | but in Squeze may be dropped[very probably] |
| 14:29.22 | nkuttler | EE_BB: see man hosts_access, afaik sshd only does users |
| 14:29.55 | do0ob | brbrbr: using sid here |
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| 14:30.58 | brbrbr | oh. nobody may actually predict upstream, because unnumerable ext events and plenty of dark magic inside. thats truely only Neo King-Foo way |
| 14:31.35 | brbrbr | remember guy, who can recognize 10 Mbps datastream from 21'' CRT |
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| 14:32.20 | brbrbr | King-Foo==Kung-Foo, sry |
| 14:32.44 | brbrbr | have bad typo, cancer and plenty of other troubles, and very sorry about it |
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| 14:44.28 | rgr | is gnome-power-manager gone from testing? Its not installed and when I try to it says it will remove gnome-session! |
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| 14:46.56 | abrotman | rgr: gnome is in transition |
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| 14:47.00 | abrotman | wait a few days |
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| 14:49.12 | limpio | hi, is 'alsaconf' replaced in Squeeze by another app? if so, what's the name? |
| 14:49.53 | abrotman | nothing |
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| 14:50.19 | abrotman | http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
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| 14:50.35 | limpio | let me read it... |
| 14:50.38 | rgr | abrotman: thanks. |
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| 14:52.29 | limpio | abrotman, so i have to installed pulse? to choose the sound card? |
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| 14:53.16 | abrotman | limpio: perhaps .. i don't have more than one sound card |
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| 14:55.06 | limpio | abrotman, excuse my ignorance, if i only have one sound card, is it automatically recongnized and nothing else is needed? just alsamixer for the volume? |
| 14:55.29 | abrotman | limpio: has been for me |
| 14:56.01 | limpio | abrotman, ok buddy, thank you very much! |
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| 15:05.20 | neoalex | hi guys how are you, I'm having some trouble starting nut |
| 15:05.38 | neoalex | when I run upsd I get the following error: |
| 15:05.44 | neoalex | Network UPS Tools upsd 2.4.1 |
| 15:05.46 | neoalex | getaddrinfo: Servname not supported for ai_socktype |
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| 15:13.47 | alexcg | Hi guys! Is there a way to disable suspend and hibernate in Debian Lenny? Earlier in Ubuntu I disabled it through editing the /etc/default/acpi-support configuration file, but it looks like this configuration file is missed in Debian Lenny. |
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| 15:14.26 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 15:14.34 | runa | hi i have a general linux question: i want to replace the files something-podcast-something_else.mp3 with something.mp3 the problem is that "ls -d *.mp3 | sed 's/\(.*\)-podcast-\(.*\).mp3/mv \1.mp3/g'"|sh" does not work |
| 15:14.52 | runa | what am i missing? |
| 15:16.20 | AcTiVaTe | a mv command in sed? |
| 15:16.33 | AcTiVaTe | Wouldn't that be more like |
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| 15:17.26 | abrotman | runa: you're just trying to rename it ? |
| 15:17.36 | runa | yes |
| 15:17.37 | abrotman | there is a 'rename' command |
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| 15:27.26 | PatrickErnandes | aff |
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| 15:35.56 | visof | hello |
| 15:36.08 | visof | i have flv files that try to run via mplayer |
| 15:36.38 | visof | i got error message : cannot find codec for audio format 0xA |
| 15:36.44 | visof | what should i do please ? |
| 15:36.54 | mdeonte | You have to install the propper gstremer codecs |
| 15:36.59 | mdeonte | !dmm |
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| 15:37.00 | dpkg | hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 15:38.24 | VladNistor | says hello |
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| 15:38.51 | TomyLaptop | hi |
| 15:38.57 | mdeonte | hi |
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| 15:39.29 | TomyLaptop | when i close my laptop, it goes into standby mode, is there anything i can do about that? |
| 15:39.44 | TomyLaptop | it's a thinkpad t43 if that helps :) |
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| 15:41.50 | wildc4rd | afternoon all |
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| 15:47.13 | rumpsy | Is there any software for screen recorder |
| 15:48.27 | Artagel | hi, I have a problem mounting my device /dev/md0 after building the array. I did a mkfs.jfs /dev/md0, it created fine, but every time I try to mount it I get a wrong fs type, or bad superblock on /dev/md0 error. I tried forcing fsck.jfs -f -a /dev/md0 and it comes back fine...any ideas? |
| 15:48.50 | cahoot | recordmydesktop is one according to aptitude rumpsy |
| 15:49.17 | rumpsy | oh ya... thank you i'll try that |
| 15:50.01 | Artagel | if anyone wants to see the details and prinouts of how I created the array and the error its posted here: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/after-creating-raid6-array-mkfs.jfs-devmd0-then-cannot-mount-devmd0-773480/ |
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| 15:51.27 | jdmax2__ | Hi all |
| 15:51.32 | jdmax2__ | I was wondering if someone can help me? |
| 15:51.34 | jdmax2__ | I'm looking for information regarding virtual memory management in the context of Linux - a high-level overview. Also kernel memory allocation - slab allocator |
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| 15:52.12 | cahoot | jdmax2__: maybe #kernelnewbies or kernelnewbies.org |
| 15:52.26 | maligor | or wikipedia |
| 15:52.54 | jdmax2__ | I'll check out the former |
| 15:52.56 | jdmax2__ | cheers ;-) |
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| 15:55.40 | jhutchins_lt2 | What's the package name for kde-full in aptitude? |
| 15:56.23 | themill | jhutchins_lt2: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 15:57.18 | jhutchins_lt2 | thanks themill, checking the web site. |
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| 15:57.49 | jdmax2__ | great chat room! :-) |
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| 16:02.11 | jhutchins_lt2 | Any pointers on why knetworkmanager runs but doesn't display anything? |
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| 16:02.43 | jdmax2__ | is your NIC device 'up'? |
| 16:02.52 | jdmax2__ | ifup [device name alias] |
| 16:03.00 | jdmax2__ | e.g.: ifup eth1 |
| 16:03.12 | jhutchins_lt | jdmax2__: Yeah, I was able to set it up with /etc/network/interfaces, but it would be nice to have the scanning/roaming capability of the manager. |
| 16:03.20 | thrashold | Nice one. I was warned not to remove my running kernel image, and I selected the button to the right to abort |
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| 16:03.30 | thrashold | The button to the right was to delete the image |
| 16:03.45 | jhutchins_lt | thrashold: You may want to re-install it. |
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| 16:04.23 | thrashold | I was just complaining about the button placement |
| 16:04.26 | jdmax2__ | what build of kmanager r u running |
| 16:04.33 | TomyLaptop | i found my answer |
| 16:05.24 | rumpsy | Thank you that was a cool recorder :) |
| 16:05.32 | jdmax2__ | rpm -qa | grep knetworkmanager |
| 16:05.51 | themill | jhutchins_lt: network manager ignores devices that are configured in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:06.37 | jdmax2__ | I see |
| 16:06.45 | jhutchins_lt | themill: The problem is that it doesn't display any screen or icon, even before I manually configured the wifi. Shouldn't it tell me when the wired connection is up even though it's hard-configured? |
| 16:07.37 | jhutchins_lt | jdmax2__: looks like network-manager-kde is 1:0.2.2-2 |
| 16:07.38 | jdmax2__ | is it actually running, see process table |
| 16:07.53 | themill | jhutchins_lt: not in lenny. See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
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| 16:08.40 | jhutchins_lt | jdmax2__: Yes, it's running, no display. |
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| 16:10.02 | do0ob | abrotman: i got my splashy theme to work but its amazingly slow, (1680x1050), the bigger i make the console text box the slower it gets |
| 16:10.09 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Shouldn't I get a blank display then? eth0 is auto/dhcp. |
| 16:10.10 | jdmax2__ | I think there is a later build: |
| 16:10.13 | jdmax2__ | http://packages.debian.org/sid/network-manager-kde |
| 16:10.28 | jdmax2__ | Check if u have the dependencies correct |
| 16:11.03 | jhutchins_lt | I think that's kde4. What do you recommend to check deps? |
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| 16:12.02 | do0ob | Anyone else suffering with a slow framebuffer? |
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| 16:12.29 | do0ob | maybe i should compile my own kernel |
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| 16:13.32 | jsn | I have a server in a remote location and I've done some things to lock it down, but I realize I totally left a couple holes open... namely, the USB ports and all other local jacks (9-pin keyboard and mouse, too, why not). What am I looking to learn about to shut those down? |
| 16:13.56 | oznt | hi every, can some one give a short tip how to use Taglist with vim and python. I installed it, issuing :Tlist inside vim shows an empty tag list. What's next ? |
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| 16:14.09 | oznt | Can somebody help me on this issue with ctags ? |
| 16:14.31 | themill | jhutchins_lt: are you not seeing an icon at all? |
| 16:14.41 | jhutchins_lt | themill: correct |
| 16:15.20 | themill | jhutchins_lt: even if it's not managing things, you still should see one. Try running "knetworkmanager" from a konsole and see what it says. |
| 16:15.29 | jhutchins_lt | Nothing. |
| 16:15.31 | zms | I somehow managed to displease apt.. it won't install a package for me.. http://debian.pastebin.com/d56c1b97b |
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| 16:16.09 | jdmax2__ | echo $? |
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| 16:16.30 | jdmax2__ | what is the status of the process? |
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| 16:16.55 | odin_ | hi.. I have a question.... can I move /var/lib/dpkg to a non-root partition without concern ? (I will sym-link the dir back) |
| 16:16.58 | themill | jhutchins_lt: is it still running (pgrep knetworkmanager) |
| 16:17.00 | jhutchins_lt | zms: Try manually removing the specific package, which can be forced. |
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| 16:17.09 | jhutchins_lt | themill: status is "S" |
| 16:17.18 | themill | !btssmite zms |
| 16:17.18 | dpkg | beats zms around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if zms is running testing or unstable |
| 16:17.20 | jdmax2__ | OK so its fine |
| 16:17.23 | odin_ | the concern I have is that you can't rename files cross-devices and I'm not sure how the packager modifies itself |
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| 16:17.47 | jdmax2__ | kill -9 `pgrep knetmanager` |
| 16:17.55 | jdmax2__ | then run again from kconsole |
| 16:18.15 | themill | jdmax2__: err... yuck. And luckily that won't do anything |
| 16:18.23 | jdmax2__ | check stack of thread(s) |
| 16:18.34 | jdmax2__ | :-) |
| 16:18.34 | jhutchins_lt | themill: As root or user? |
| 16:18.40 | jdmax2__ | root |
| 16:18.43 | jhutchins_lt | themill: iirc from yesterday it returns nothing. |
| 16:18.49 | themill | jhutchins_lt: as user. It's a user-space program |
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| 16:19.09 | jhutchins_lt | Interesting, as root it does not create a process. |
| 16:19.09 | zms | thanks dpkg :-/ |
| 16:19.14 | valdyn | odin_: theres no problem doing this in debian |
| 16:19.20 | jdmax2__ | to kill you need to be root |
| 16:19.38 | themill | jdmax2__: no you should not be. knetworkmanager is run as the logged in user |
| 16:19.39 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Absolutely no return. |
| 16:19.56 | jdmax2__ | oh yeah ur right |
| 16:20.00 | jdmax2__ | :-) |
| 16:20.10 | themill | jhutchins_lt: and no icon? do you have a "system tray" for it to display in? |
| 16:20.12 | valdyn | odin_: its even more transparent if you use bind mounts though |
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| 16:20.18 | zms | themill: thanks. I'm still a noob.. taking a look at your suggestion. |
| 16:20.30 | themill | zms: why are you running sid then? |
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| 16:21.47 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Yep. |
| 16:21.57 | jhutchins_lt | Um. Maybe I don't? |
| 16:22.04 | jhutchins_lt | Actually, that's possible. |
| 16:22.13 | jdmax2__ | :-) |
| 16:22.14 | jdmax2__ | LOL |
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| 16:22.31 | jhutchins_lt | Heh. |
| 16:22.31 | visof | i added multimedia.org for lenny in /etc/apt/sources.list but i got someting wrong with Public key |
| 16:22.34 | visof | The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 16:22.43 | visof | what should i do ? |
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| 16:22.59 | brbrbr | depend goals |
| 16:23.04 | jdmax2__ | problem solved? |
| 16:23.10 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Thank you sir, problem solved. |
| 16:23.11 | cusco | hi |
| 16:23.17 | themill | visof: keep following the instructions on debian-multimedia.org |
| 16:23.24 | zms | themill: well.. because it's always shiny and new.. :) but I think I should learn apt better and learn to use the bug tracker. |
| 16:23.27 | Artagel | Can anyone help me get my raid array mounted? |
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| 16:23.33 | jdmax2__ | :-) |
| 16:23.38 | brbrbr | you can: 1. add this repository key. 2. forget about that repository. 3. blindly use it[worst option ever, because MITM] |
| 16:23.52 | jdmax2__ | umount? |
| 16:23.57 | visof | themill what do you mean ? |
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| 16:24.19 | jdmax2__ | Artagel: what do you mean? |
| 16:24.26 | themill | visof: you're getting this error because you just added debian-multimedia.org to your sources.list. |
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| 16:24.56 | Artagel | jdmax2: I created a 14 disk array, and then did mkfs.jfs /dev/md0, afterwards, I try to mount it using mount /dev/md0 /mnt/Robot |
| 16:25.04 | jhutchins_lt | Yet another vindication of my switch to Debian. |
| 16:25.15 | visof | themill what should i do ? |
| 16:25.20 | themill | visof: keep following the instructions on debian-multimedia.org |
| 16:25.21 | Artagel | jdmax2: I get mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/md0, |
| 16:25.44 | jdmax2__ | df |
| 16:25.49 | jdmax2__ | is it currently mounted? |
| 16:25.54 | Artagel | no |
| 16:25.58 | valdyn | Artagel: mount -t jfs /dev/md0 /mnt/Robot |
| 16:25.58 | jdmax2__ | you attempting to mount it? |
| 16:26.04 | Artagel | yes |
| 16:26.10 | themill | visof: from http://debian-multimedia.org/ «The first package to install is debian-multimedia-keyring.» |
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| 16:26.16 | Artagel | the -t jfs gives the same error |
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| 16:26.35 | odin_ | valdyn, thanks for the reply, its my Nokia N900 device, has limited rootfs space, like 200Mb and /var/lib/dpkg is easing 5% (25Mb of it) |
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| 16:26.39 | valdyn | Artagel: what does "modprobe jfs" give ? |
| 16:26.48 | jdmax2__ | lsmod | grep jfs |
| 16:26.51 | Artagel | no return |
| 16:27.02 | Artagel | lsmod | grep jfs |
| 16:27.13 | jdmax2__ | is the module loaded? |
| 16:27.22 | Artagel | how do I check? |
| 16:27.23 | valdyn | odin_: its 200mb on this debian system |
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| 16:27.30 | jdmax2__ | lsmod | grep -i jfs |
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| 16:27.45 | Artagel | returns: jfs 148972 0 |
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| 16:27.50 | Artagel | and nls_base 6820 1 jfs |
| 16:27.53 | jdmax2__ | so it is loaded |
| 16:27.56 | zms | themill: I suspect it's not a bug in the package.. must be something I did. Can you please suggest how can I begin to investigate this? Any pointers? |
| 16:27.58 | odin_ | valdyn, "this" ?? as in your own home PC based system ? |
| 16:28.03 | themill | zms: these sorts of problems are frequent in sid. If you're new to the game, you really don't want to be playing with that sort of fire. Sid users are expected to know a lot about what they're doing and support themselves. |
| 16:28.07 | valdyn | odin_: yea |
| 16:28.23 | themill | zms: this is a known bug in python-central |
| 16:28.26 | ackwan | Hi, is there any way to connect to airport-type hotspots with a text-based browser? I can't get a connection (the page is supposed to redirect, but it won't seem to work). Is there anything I can do? |
| 16:28.29 | odin_ | valdyn, lol.. no wonder the folks are nokia have the same cranky ideas on filesys layouts |
| 16:28.32 | jdmax2__ | I think: mount.jfs... |
| 16:28.33 | Artagel | when I do a fsck.jfs -f -a /dv/md0 it shows clean... |
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| 16:28.59 | Artagel | mount.jfs isn't a cmd |
| 16:29.06 | jdmax2__ | is the file system type explicitly called jfs? |
| 16:29.40 | Artagel | I don't see why not, I created it using mkfs.jfs /dev/md0 |
| 16:29.46 | pipeline | mount -t jfs |
| 16:29.48 | zms | themill: I guess I've been lucky.. been running Sid for almost 6 years now.. and this is only my second problem. |
| 16:29.49 | themill | zms: either upgrade the python-central package or fix the one you've got as described in http://bugs.debian.org/559206 |
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| 16:30.02 | jdmax2__ | create using another fs |
| 16:30.06 | jdmax2__ | if no data and new |
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| 16:30.14 | jdmax2__ | mkfs -t ext2 or ext3 |
| 16:30.15 | zms | themill: many thanks for the pycentral pointer. |
| 16:30.26 | Artagel | it's empty...yes.. I'll try ext3 again, but I think it's too large |
| 16:30.42 | jdmax2__ | u say jfs is it vxfs? |
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| 16:30.50 | jdmax2__ | hpux? |
| 16:30.52 | Artagel | Size of device /dev/md0 too big to be expressed in 32 bits |
| 16:31.01 | visof | themill which instructions ? |
| 16:31.03 | Artagel | it's an raid with 14 1.5tb drives... :) big |
| 16:31.18 | themill | visof: from http://debian-multimedia.org/ «The first package to install is debian-multimedia-keyring.» |
| 16:31.26 | Artagel | I don't know how to check if it's vxfs or jfs.... |
| 16:31.34 | jdmax2__ | fstyp -v |
| 16:31.39 | jdmax2__ | not sure if that works on linux |
| 16:31.40 | dannyboy1121x | Hello - I need some scripting help .. I want to move a file 'image.tiff' to a new location and rename the file at the same time - passing a variable as the file name but the MV command fails saying "mv: target `\r' is not a directory" |
| 16:31.46 | dannyboy1121x | Any ideas. |
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| 16:31.51 | Artagel | no..that didn't work |
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| 16:32.05 | jdmax2__ | mv -v ./image.tif /new_location |
| 16:32.21 | jdmax2__ | attempt to rename the file, then move |
| 16:32.32 | jdmax2__ | ummm? |
| 16:33.12 | dannyboy1121x | ok .. will give it a go .. but passing a variable to the mv command in my script seems to makE it ERror |
| 16:33.13 | jdmax2__ | because the mount @ VFS layer can't find jfs mount implementation so... maybe it doesn't exist or haven't been registered under linux yet? |
| 16:33.51 | jdmax2__ | mv $VARIABLE $NEWVARIABLE; |
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| 16:34.09 | themill | inserts some spaces into jdmax2__'s filenames |
| 16:34.23 | _KaszpiR_ | U FAILED jdmax2__ |
| 16:34.25 | _KaszpiR_ | ;D |
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| 16:34.42 | jdmax2__ | LOL! :-) |
| 16:34.47 | Artagel | maybe I built the raid wrong? |
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| 16:35.27 | jdmax2__ | not sure u used mkfs -t jfs which appears correct? |
| 16:35.27 | Artagel | i fdisked every drive and marked the part fd, then I did mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md0 --leve=raid6 --chunk=16 --raid-devices=14 /dev/sd{a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h,i,j,k,l,m,n} |
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| 16:35.44 | Artagel | i tried using mkfs -t jfs and mkfs_jfs and mkfs.jfs |
| 16:35.48 | Artagel | all do the same thing... |
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| 16:38.07 | acu | I am preety sure the Desktop team knows that KDE in Squeeze does not work - when you try to install kde-base or kde-full you get Depends: kde-minimal but it is not going to be installed - ----- is any solution for this ? |
| 16:38.24 | dannyboy1121x | Hmm can't do it .. if $mypath is the full path and name that I want to set the file to ... using "mv -v /storage1/smb/media/scan/image.tiff $mypath" just comes up with the same error saying "mv: target `\r' is not a directory" |
| 16:39.34 | jdmax2__ | sorry Artagel im not sure |
| 16:39.37 | dannyboy1121x | If I echo $mypath it comes up with the correct path and file name ... so I need to present the variable in a different way to the mv command |
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| 16:39.46 | dutchfish | dannyboy1121x, you just have to install libxklavier15 from sid |
| 16:39.46 | jdmax2__ | strace the mount and see what is going on? |
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| 16:40.20 | dutchfish | dannyboy1121x, its curently missing in testing |
| 16:40.27 | Sneex | comm -3 <(ls .) <(ls ~/otherdir) tells me the 2 directories are the same filename-wise; how can I write it so I know all the files are binary identical? |
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| 16:41.01 | dannyboy1121x | dutchfish: Basically this can't be done? |
| 16:41.01 | Artagel | i'm installing strace, wait 1 |
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| 16:41.08 | jdmax2__ | k |
| 16:41.24 | jdmax2__ | I suggest jfs is not a register file system yet |
| 16:41.34 | dutchfish | dannyboy1121x, only manually; just download it; then: dpkg -i the library |
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| 16:41.50 | zaphands | Hello. How do I install a newer version of a program? |
| 16:42.07 | Artagel | Hmm..a lot of output :) where should I put it so you can see? |
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| 16:42.18 | dutchfish | dannyboy1121x, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libxklavier15 |
| 16:42.24 | dannyboy1121x | I think I can work around it by echoing out a a new command file rather than getting mv to read in a variable .. thankf for clearing that up though |
| 16:42.35 | jdmax2__ | ummm try strace ... <whatever> | tail -30 |
| 16:42.48 | Sneex | zaphands: is it a standard deb app? |
| 16:42.48 | jdmax2__ | shud be at the bottom some where |
| 16:42.53 | jdmax2__ | ERRNO |
| 16:43.10 | themill | dannyboy1121x: how are you setting "$mypath" |
| 16:43.13 | zaphands | Sneex: It's lyx. |
| 16:43.18 | rgr | ls |
| 16:43.24 | Artagel | ioctl(3, BLKGETSIZE, 0xbfc83500) = -1 EFBIG (File too large) |
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| 16:43.50 | Artagel | interesting. I did get it to mount the other day once...before I reloaded, i thought it was a fluke, but at that time the array only had 13 disks |
| 16:43.54 | Sneex | :P zaphands Did you install it using apt-get or from a tarball? |
| 16:44.05 | jhutchins_lt | jdmax2__: BTW you also fixed the next problem, batery display. |
| 16:44.12 | rgr | lsusb shows my officejet, hp-setup does not. I am looking because the scanner has stopped working again. While I know there can be issues with testing, does anyone know of a fix for this? xsane sees only my webcam but not the HP. |
| 16:44.17 | themill | judd versions lyx |
| 16:44.17 | judd | themill: lyx -- etch: 1.4.3-3 lenny: 1.5.5-1 lenny-backports: 1.6.4-1~bpo50+1 sid: 1.6.4-1+b2 squeeze: 1.6.4-1+b2 |
| 16:44.21 | themill | zaphands: ^^ see backports.org |
| 16:44.21 | zaphands | Sneex: apt-get |
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| 16:44.52 | jdmax2__ | nick Artagel I'm not sure |
| 16:44.52 | dannyboy1121x | themill: basically - $mypath is a combination of two variables ... mypath=$myscandir$myfilename |
| 16:45.06 | Sneex | zaphands: The apt-cache policy lyx will tell you if a newer version is available |
| 16:45.09 | themill | dannyboy1121x: and how do you set them? |
| 16:45.15 | Artagel | ok, thanks for your help. I'm going to try to remove a disk and see if it mounts.. |
| 16:45.33 | Artagel | luckily it's a new system...so I don't care about having to start over |
| 16:46.05 | dutchfish | i my god, all isiad to dannyboy1121x was ment actually for acu |
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| 16:46.07 | jdmax2__ | ;-) |
| 16:46.09 | jdmax2__ | good luck! |
| 16:46.15 | jdmax2__ | sorry cudn't help |
| 16:46.30 | jdmax2__ | but examine the strace... to see what happened |
| 16:46.57 | mythomaniac | i'm using debian testing and any time i put the file .xinitrc in my ~/ i cannot load my window manager, why is this? |
| 16:47.04 | jhutchins_lt | Artagel: I'd start out with like three disks just to run through the process. |
| 16:47.09 | zaphands | themill: thanks! |
| 16:47.22 | dannyboy1121x | themill: myscandir="/storage1/smb/media/scan/" |
| 16:47.25 | dannyboy1121x | as an example |
| 16:48.14 | Artagel | jhutchins: good idea, start small, I can always grow |
| 16:48.32 | rgr | I get a device 5012 error. Communication error. |
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| 16:49.22 | themill | dannyboy1121x: try sticking "set -x" at the top of your script so you can see the exact commands that are being executed. This is a pretty common thing to do in a script, I don't know where you're getting this "\r" from. |
| 16:49.23 | jdmax2__ | Artagel yup |
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| 16:49.53 | rgr | dmesg shows it, lsusb shows , just the dam hp drivers dont talk to it. |
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| 16:50.47 | rgr | and cups (web) gives Unknown operation "add-printer"! |
| 16:51.06 | dannyboy1121x | themill: WIll do tyvm |
| 16:51.26 | mythomaniac | it should be noted that even if i put an empty file named .xinitrc in my ~/ i cannot load my window manager, wtf? |
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| 16:52.35 | jhutchins_lt | mythomaniac: Can you start bare X? |
| 16:54.08 | mythomaniac | jhutchins, "bare X" never tried... but with the .xinitrc file, even while empty, in my ~/ i cannot start awesome window manager, via "startx" |
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| 16:54.37 | mythomaniac | jhutchins, i had to rm .xinitrc |
| 16:54.37 | jhutchins_lt | How does one check the version/release number on Debian? |
| 16:54.57 | jelly-home | !version |
| 16:54.58 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
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| 16:55.29 | jelly-home | inckie: please stop your irc script from answering to "!version", at least in this channel |
| 16:55.33 | mythomaniac | jhutchins_lt, i'm using debian testing... |
| 16:55.38 | mythomaniac | squeeze/sid |
| 16:55.52 | rgr | and running through web based cups, installed it but the HPLip service applet says there is still no device and xsane sees no device. |
| 16:56.12 | jhutchins_lt | debian_version is what I wanted, thanks. |
| 16:57.00 | jdmax2__ | write /query jelly-home |
| 16:57.07 | jdmax2__ | :-) |
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| 16:57.16 | jhutchins_lt | mythomaniac: So having an .xinitrc was overriding your windowmanager of choice. |
| 16:58.10 | mythomaniac | jhutchins_lt, not over riding... shutting down x... |
| 16:58.49 | Artagel | Funny...I just recreated the raid with 13 disks, and it mounts... I guess I need to figure out why anything over 13 isn't working.. |
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| 16:59.22 | jhutchins_lt | Artagel: Gotta be a limit somewhere. |
| 16:59.23 | dannyboy1121x | themill: I'm extractine the file name out of a file windows creates ... using the cat command .. I think it's picking up something like a carriage return? The mv command seems to be doing this: |
| 16:59.23 | dannyboy1121x | ++ mv -v /storage1/smb/media/scan/image.tiff /storage1/smb/media/scan/morefish.tiff $'\r' |
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| 16:59.34 | jhutchins_lt | Artagel: How much storage is that? |
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| 17:00.02 | jelly-home | dannyboy1121x: so, cut the \r off |
| 17:00.29 | dannyboy1121x | sed? |
| 17:00.36 | Artagel | 13 disks is 16TB |
| 17:00.48 | jelly-home | dannyboy1121x: yeah, or tr -d '\r' |
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| 17:01.34 | jhutchins_lt | Artagel: So 14 is how much? |
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| 17:01.50 | Artagel | should be 17.5 |
| 17:01.55 | mythomaniac | jhutchins_lt, and no error messages were given... at tty f7 was just a blank screen |
| 17:02.09 | jelly-home | dannyboy1121x: DOS/Windows use \r\n for line endings, and Unix uses just \n |
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| 17:02.38 | jhutchins_lt | mythomaniac: What WM were you trying to run? |
| 17:02.43 | Artagel | oh..13 is 16.5...so 14 will be 18 |
| 17:02.56 | mythomaniac | jhutchins_lt, awesome window manager |
| 17:03.05 | jmarsden | Artagel: ext3 with 4k block size has a max filesystem size of 16TB, per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 17:03.08 | jhutchins_lt | mythomaniac: Try any others? |
| 17:03.27 | jhutchins_lt | jmarsden: Brilliant. |
| 17:03.37 | kharloss | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.38 | jhutchins_lt | is liking #debian more all the time. |
| 17:03.46 | mythomaniac | jhutchins_lt, no... i have no other ones installed on this system |
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| 17:03.53 | Artagel | ok. I don't know if you read the backblaze article and their storage pod, but that's what I built. They say they are using JFS with 3 15 drive arrays, I wonder how they get it to work |
| 17:03.54 | jelly-home | dannyboy1121x: have you measured how long it's going to take for a rebuild of a 13 drive array? |
| 17:04.04 | jelly-home | er... |
| 17:04.10 | jelly-home | Artagel: have you measured how long it's going to take for a rebuild of a 13 drive array? |
| 17:04.28 | jmarsden | Artagel: JFS may well have different limits, wghich kind of fs did you create, ext3 or JFS ? |
| 17:04.28 | Artagel | about 900 mins :) |
| 17:04.52 | Artagel | About 900 mins:) |
| 17:05.00 | mythomaniac | jhutchins_lt, first time trying to use .xinitrc on this system... it just seems... odd... it shouldn't behave like that... |
| 17:05.04 | jelly-home | Artagel: if a single read errors occurs during that time, you're going to have data loss. |
| 17:05.06 | Artagel | I created JFS |
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| 17:05.34 | dannyboy1121x | jelly: funny .. I'm a storage engineer by trade .. depends on the head and the disk density / spin speed etc :P |
| 17:05.55 | jelly-home | dannyboy1121x: I'm just trying to scare Artagel into doing more testing. |
| 17:06.01 | dannyboy1121x | :) |
| 17:06.16 | jhutchins_lt | kharloss: You should be ok copying /boot/grub, you'll need your kernel and an initrd, and /grub which will need a device.map and menu.lst from the actual system. |
| 17:06.30 | Artagel | it's just a home application :)...if I lose the stuff on there, i'm not going to cry...might be a little sad, but it's not business critical |
| 17:06.42 | jmarsden | Artagel: Hmmm, JFS should go up to 32PetaBytes per filesystem, so that's not your issue, then. |
| 17:06.44 | extor | Where do I set up a default route on a lenny box? Is there any other place besides /etc/network/interfaces where I can put default gateways. And can |
| 17:06.59 | Artagel | the guys at backblaze use this design for their entire storage solution, so I'm guessing they've tested this extensively :D |
| 17:07.05 | jhutchins_lt | Artagel: Maybe they're using smaller disks? |
| 17:07.06 | jelly-home | extor: you already got the corerct place |
| 17:07.17 | jhutchins_lt | Artagel: Sounds like they'd be the ones to ask about it. |
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| 17:07.26 | jelly-home | extor: also you were cut off at "And can" |
| 17:07.32 | Artagel | Check out the article: http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ |
| 17:07.45 | themill | dannyboy1121x: reading things in from files is a pain in the backside. You might like to fix the entire file first, /msg dpkg dos2unix |
| 17:07.55 | extor | And can I add two default gateways for each NIC? Like a "next hop" instruction perhaps |
| 17:07.57 | jdmax2__ | Artagel: at looks good |
| 17:07.58 | Artagel | if nothing else, it's an interesting read |
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| 17:08.46 | Artagel | Hey, how can I tell if i'm running 64bit linux? |
| 17:09.04 | jelly-home | extor: you'll have to use "route" or "ip r" in a post-up line |
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| 17:10.18 | jdmax2__ | cat /proc/cpu |
| 17:10.19 | jelly-home | extor: typically you have a single deafult gateway. What are you trying to accomplish? Multihoming? |
| 17:10.19 | do0ob | how do i change this logo? i want to change the arch to a debian logo: http://tuxtraining.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/arch_boot.png |
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| 17:10.24 | do0ob | i can't find what its called |
| 17:10.27 | jdmax2__ | Artagel: cat /proc/cpu |
| 17:10.35 | LemensTS | whats the best way to look for text in a file? I been doing 'grep -ri * foo' |
| 17:10.42 | jdmax2__ | Artagel: need to 'grep' for sometime |
| 17:10.48 | jdmax2__ | *something |
| 17:10.52 | isak | Artagel: the command "arch" might do the trick |
| 17:11.01 | guillaume | hello i've strange problem under squeeze. During the setup of the distro I disable the ability to connect directly as root to the system. Now when I start a session under gnome with my user account, the session start and for example I can open a root terminal, after entering the root password. But for some other apps that need root level access, the authentication is rejected with the root pass. What can do that ?? |
| 17:11.14 | jelly-home | Artagel: dpkg --print-architecture |
| 17:11.41 | jdmax2__ | uname -a !!! |
| 17:11.42 | extor | jelly, I have two /28 networks assigned to my box. One of the networks has the default gateway on the router/switch it is attached to but the second network is "routed" to my box itself...yet it is not working |
| 17:12.09 | jelly-home | jdmax2__: it's not definitive, one can use an amd64 kernel with a 32bit userspace. |
| 17:12.17 | Artagel | the dpkg shows i386... |
| 17:12.34 | jelly-home | Artagel: then it's 32bit. |
| 17:12.51 | Linux-IRC | Hi, is it possible to get multiple console/tty when i'm on console based login prompt ? |
| 17:12.55 | Artagel | hrmm :) that could be my only diff from what their article says. |
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| 17:12.59 | jdmax2__ | Artagel: yup 32-bit |
| 17:13.01 | Artagel | I'll try it under 64 bit tmr... |
| 17:13.11 | Artagel | 64 bit is the ia64 distro? |
| 17:13.17 | ehnvis | Linux-IRC: use screen? |
| 17:13.20 | jelly-home | Artagel: amd64 |
| 17:13.21 | Linux-IRC | console-based window, no graphical desktop environment |
| 17:13.27 | Artagel | amd64 even if I use intel chip? |
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| 17:13.35 | do0ob | ah its a pnm file, got it :) |
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| 17:13.43 | jdmax2__ | Artagel: why u using a 32-bit OS on 64-bit machine? |
| 17:14.01 | jelly-home | extor: you'll have to use policy-based routing if you want arbitrary packets to go back the iface they came in |
| 17:14.10 | Uldics | Artagel: yes, amd64 even on intel chips |
| 17:14.28 | Linux-IRC | ehnvis: Yes, |
| 17:14.34 | Linux-IRC | ehnvis: Black screen |
| 17:14.34 | Artagel | I was having a hard time loading debian on the machien cuz it has no cdrom drive. had to get a stick to boot it into install, Guess I used the wrong image |
| 17:14.42 | jelly-home | jdmax2__: amd64 is a second-class citizen when it comes to many things |
| 17:14.59 | Artagel | thx uldics |
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| 17:15.15 | jdmax2__ | jelly-home: :-) |
| 17:15.27 | ehnvis | Linux-IRC: i meant install screen (its a command) and learn how to use it |
| 17:15.32 | jelly-home | extor: Debian doesn't quite have the infrastructure for that kind of setup |
| 17:15.40 | Uldics | If you think about ia64 architecture, it is different and mainly used on dedicated servers |
| 17:15.40 | extor | jelly, to make things more complicated I am running virtualbox with bridged interfaces |
| 17:15.53 | Uldics | it needs different chip |
| 17:15.55 | Linux-IRC | ehnvis: Is it ? apt-get install screen |
| 17:16.04 | Uldics | not the ones you can get in a small PC shop |
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| 17:16.11 | Silicium | hi there |
| 17:16.14 | ehnvis | Linux-IRC: yes |
| 17:16.19 | Linux-IRC | Ok |
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| 17:16.30 | Silicium | why package ugidd does in squeeze not longer exist? |
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| 17:16.47 | Linux-IRC | What's the version of iceweasel on debian squeeze/testing ? |
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| 17:16.53 | Silicium | i need that for map_daemon |
| 17:17.08 | Silicium | Linux-IRC: 3.5.5 |
| 17:17.14 | jelly-home | Linux-IRC: http://packages.debian.org |
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| 17:17.26 | Uldics | Iceweasel/3.0.14 |
| 17:17.37 | jelly-home | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 17:17.38 | Uldics | squeeze testing |
| 17:17.38 | judd | jelly-home: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 sid: 3.5.5-1 |
| 17:17.42 | guijin | how to burn double layer under debian (console) |
| 17:18.07 | Silicium | goddamn |
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| 17:18.16 | Linux-IRC | Silicium: You are wrong |
| 17:18.32 | jelly-home | oh noes, someone is wrong on the internet!!1 |
| 17:18.36 | dannyboy1121x | jelly / themill: Thanks for your help ... great tips tpday. Appreciated. Now workingt |
| 17:18.45 | jelly-home | cheers |
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| 17:19.11 | aaron__ | help |
| 17:19.31 | Artagel | ok all..I'm heading to bed, it's like 1:20am here Thanks for the help |
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| 17:21.21 | Uldics | Anyone knows, why I have Firestarter firewall showing two active connections on ports 14590 and 48000 with unknown service and no program mentioned? lsof -i:14590 returns nothing. Ports are not listed in /etc/services |
| 17:21.28 | aaron__ | :-) |
| 17:21.35 | dfrank | hello All, tell me please, how do I restart FTP service? |
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| 17:22.07 | odin_ | the lockfile /var/lib/dpkg/lock how is that locked ? non-empty size ? or fcntl/flock ? |
| 17:22.25 | nkuttler | dfrank: /etc/init.d/whatever restart |
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| 17:22.45 | aaron__ | /etc/init.d/ftp restart |
| 17:22.47 | aaron__ | I think |
| 17:22.48 | aaron__ | ... |
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| 17:23.05 | nkuttler | aaron__: no, that depends on the ftpd |
| 17:23.09 | dfrank | nkuttler: yep, but I don't know what is "whatever". A tried "ftp" - no file or directory |
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| 17:23.22 | nkuttler | dfrank: so? ls /etc/init.d/ |
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| 17:24.49 | dfrank | nkuttler: sorry, i can't find any name like "ftp".. :( maybe it's a non-obvious one?.. |
| 17:24.55 | Linux-IRC | judd: kernel version |
| 17:24.57 | judd | Linux-IRC: (kernel [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
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| 17:25.20 | Linux-IRC | judd: kernel squeeze version |
| 17:25.21 | judd | Linux-IRC: (kernel [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
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| 17:25.37 | Linux-IRC | judd: kernel <lenny> version |
| 17:25.39 | judd | Linux-IRC: (kernel [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 17:25.48 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:25.57 | Linux-IRC | judd: kernel --release lenny version |
| 17:25.58 | judd | Linux-IRC: (kernel [--release <lenny>]) -- Outputs the kernel versions in the archive, optionally restricted to one release. Note that semi-major releases like etchnhalf are treated as separate releases. |
| 17:26.10 | nkuttler | dfrank: well, dpkg -l | grep ftp |
| 17:26.15 | nkuttler | Linux-IRC: please /msg the bot |
| 17:27.19 | jhutchins_lt | D'Oh! Battery charges faster when plugged in. |
| 17:27.27 | jhutchins_lt | dfrank: How did you start it in the first place? |
| 17:28.25 | jdmax_ | help |
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| 17:29.06 | dfrank | nkuttler: thanks you, I found it! It was "proftpd". But ftp server still does not response when i trying to connect :( |
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| 17:29.51 | nkuttler | dfrank: /usr/share/doc/proftpd is probably a good place to start |
| 17:29.57 | dfrank | jhutchins_lt: it starts automatically every time when i reboot system :) but now, it stops work. I can't connect to the server |
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| 17:30.18 | dfrank | nkuttler: ok, i will. thank u |
| 17:31.18 | jhutchins_lt | dfrank: I'll bet there's something in the syslogs. |
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| 17:37.54 | Linux-IRC | Why is iceweasel is older in debian testing 3.0.14 , where firefox current version is 3.5.5 ? |
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| 17:38.23 | babilen | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 17:38.25 | judd | babilen: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.0.14-1 sid: 3.5.5-1 |
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| 17:38.51 | babilen | Linux-IRC: It's in unstable and might make it to squeeze before the freeze. |
| 17:39.28 | Linux-IRC | babilen: What? |
| 17:39.49 | Linux-IRC | babilen: Debian testing/squeeze with iceweasel 3.0.14 , why? |
| 17:40.00 | Linux-IRC | Why is it older ? |
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| 17:40.53 | Linux-IRC | Is there any possibility to get iceweasel 3.5.5 on debian squeeze after 2010-march ? |
| 17:41.15 | babilen | yes |
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| 17:41.35 | jmarsden | Linux-IRC: See http://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=iceweasel for "why" - it is waiting on xulrunner |
| 17:42.13 | babilen | Linux-IRC: http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=iceweasel |
| 17:42.20 | babilen | oh ... |
| 17:42.24 | babilen | jmarsden: :-) |
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| 17:43.03 | Linux-IRC | Which terminal do you use? |
| 17:43.11 | Linux-IRC | xterm ? |
| 17:43.15 | amanda-r | i'm using putty on w32 to connect to a squeeze system. after the ssh session has been idle for a while, it disconnects. is the way to prevent this behavior in sshd, or is it in putty? i want it to stay connected |
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| 17:43.57 | jhutchins_lt | amanda-r: There is a "keepalive" parameter in ssh_conf |
| 17:44.00 | jmarsden | Linux-IRC: The one in front of me... oh... Gnome Terminal, usually |
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| 17:44.25 | jhutchins_lt | amanda-r: Mine does something very strange: After a long idle it will disconnect AFTER three or four commands. |
| 17:45.04 | jhutchins_lt | amanda-r: Sorry: look at the sshd_config for keepalive parameters since you're using putty. Not sure if putty can configure a keepalive. |
| 17:45.11 | oznt | I've searched more than 3 hours how to make TagList in Vim work with python code, I can get it to work with C. Can some one help me with this ? |
| 17:45.21 | Linux-IRC | Does anyone here use xterm? What's the way to copy and paste from xterm? |
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| 17:45.49 | jhutchins_lt | Linux-IRC: konsole highlight with mouse, right click, choose copy. |
| 17:45.53 | Linux-IRC | oznt: Do you want taglist for python orf c ? |
| 17:45.54 | Linux-IRC | or |
| 17:46.19 | oznt | Linux-IRC, I want it for Both ... |
| 17:46.39 | oznt | Linux-IRC, at the moment it is only showing tags for C files :-( |
| 17:46.43 | Linux-IRC | oznt: Search vim wiki for c taglist |
| 17:46.48 | jmarsden | oznt: Did you ask in #vim ? |
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| 17:47.00 | Linux-IRC | oznt: Oh |
| 17:47.03 | oznt | jmarsden, nope, but that's an idea |
| 17:47.10 | Linux-IRC | oznt: Yes, #vim is better |
| 17:47.48 | Linux-IRC | jhutchins_lt: It's xterm not konsole or gnome-terminal |
| 17:47.50 | oznt | Linux-IRC, will see about it :-) |
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| 17:48.47 | lordkelmain | My lenny install just turned off for no reason I can think of... it cleanly went into runlevel 0 and powered off. |
| 17:49.03 | lordkelmain | How can I figure out why/how that happened? |
| 17:49.10 | jhutchins_lt | lordkelmain: Maybe it was bored. |
| 17:49.45 | Linux-IRC | For installing debian first unpack the package then setting up ..........., what does it mean by unpacking ? |
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| 17:50.17 | Linux-IRC | Are .deb packages downloaded with .deb.tar.gz format ? |
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| 17:50.42 | lordkelmain | Linux-IRC, try dpkg -i package-name.deb |
| 17:51.29 | LtL | lordkelmain: 'last' command, /var/log/syslog maybe, check your cpu fan too |
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| 17:52.28 | lordkelmain | LtL, this line: reboot system boot 2.6.32-0-slr Sat Dec 5 09:42 - 09:51 (00:09) |
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| 17:52.48 | lordkelmain | Prior to that there's nothing remarkable. |
| 17:53.34 | julianoliver | what would be a reliable way of benchmarking the power consumption of a live SDcard of Debian vs an install onto SSD? |
| 17:53.35 | lordkelmain | CPU fan seems to be fine and syslog shows nothing out of the ordinary, I think. |
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| 17:54.00 | LtL | lordkelmain: is that the most recent entry? must have been told to reboot for some odd reason. |
| 17:54.06 | julianoliver | cache times etc can be retrieved via hdparm of course.. |
| 17:54.28 | lordkelmain | Yeah, that was just a few minutes ago. Other than that it just says I'm still logged in, etc. |
| 17:55.02 | oznt | I'm really desperate here, can someone help me with this vim issue ? If somebody here is using vim +taglist I will be very happy to hear ! |
| 17:55.41 | tuv | every time i suspend my laptop (debian testing with kernel hibernate support) i get the following two messages that seem to delay the hibernation for a while, but hibernation works otherwise: |
| 17:55.41 | LtL | lordkelmain: new system per chance? |
| 17:55.45 | tuv | ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0x9 t4 |
| 17:55.47 | tuv | ata1: irq_stat 0x00400040, connection status changed |
| 17:56.02 | jelly-hme | Linux-IRC: in xterm, click and drag the left mouse button to select, and middle button to paste the (primary) selection |
| 17:56.16 | jelly-hme | Linux-IRC: this works for many X11 apps |
| 17:56.31 | lordkelmain | LtL, yeah, I just installed it on here a month ago and upgraded to the 2.6.32 kernel when it came out. |
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| 17:57.01 | LtL | lordkelmain: I would leave it run a few days, probably just a runaway script glitch.. weird tho' |
| 17:57.32 | mercutio22 | While trying to access "users and groups" I get an error message stating I am not allowed to access the system configuration |
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| 17:58.13 | julianoliver | jelly-hme: Shift-LMB (drag) to copy and Shift-Insert to paste also works fairly reliably. |
| 17:58.35 | Linux-IRC | jelly-hme: Yes,works |
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| 18:00.01 | lordkelmain | LtL, here's the syslog: http://lordkelmain.pastebin.com/d2ce8b6f |
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| 18:00.25 | lordkelmain | 09:41 is when it began the shutdown sequence I think. |
| 18:00.36 | lordkelmain | Or maybe 42. |
| 18:01.08 | lordkelmain | LtL, line 19. |
| 18:01.15 | jelly-hme | julianoliver: interesting, I wasn't aware of that. However shift-insert seems to paste the clipboard in Gtk apps, not the primary selection. |
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| 18:02.06 | Linux-IRC | Is there any way to set screen resolution ?it's not kde or gnome , what's the command to get xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ ? |
| 18:02.16 | Linux-IRC | 1024x768 |
| 18:02.43 | jelly-hme | Linux-IRC: use xrandr to change it on the fly |
| 18:03.54 | lordkelmain | LtL, looks like it was caused by flash player. hah, wow. |
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| 18:04.07 | Linux-IRC | jelly-hme: What's the command to set it to "1024x768" ? |
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| 18:04.17 | Linux-IRC | jelly-hme: Though doing man xrandr |
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| 18:04.42 | jelly-hme | Linux-IRC: nice save |
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| 18:05.32 | LtL | lordkelmain: interesting log, flashplayer segfault and gdm problems just after cron run-parts... hrm. |
| 18:06.05 | lordkelmain | LtL, what a combo =) |
| 18:06.34 | lordkelmain | LtL, I haven't scheduled anything in the cron myself. Whatever's in there has been since the system install. |
| 18:06.43 | LtL | lordkelmain: keep an eye on /var/log/messages and syslog. probably just new kernel glitches |
| 18:06.43 | Linux-IRC | jelly-hme: Is it corrct ? xrandr --addmode VGA 1024x768 |
| 18:07.46 | jelly-hme | Linux-IRC: try just "xrandr" for a start. |
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| 18:08.41 | lordkelmain | LtL, should I submit a bug report? |
| 18:09.21 | jelly-hme | Linux-IRC: you want --size |
| 18:09.22 | paradoxmonkey | After debootstraping debian into a directory, can I then copy it to a raw image file? |
| 18:10.17 | smacnay | Is there a midi patch source in Debian? |
| 18:10.28 | Linux-IRC | jelly-hme: Current : 800x600 |
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| 18:10.56 | Linux-IRC | What's the command to get xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ ? |
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| 18:11.39 | jelly-hme | xorg.conf is already there. |
| 18:11.42 | LtL | lordkelmain: I'm no kernel expert, couldn't hurt. whenever i see flashplayer i expect weird stuff. |
| 18:12.35 | jelly-hme | Linux-IRC: which debian release are you using? |
| 18:13.11 | Linux-IRC | testing |
| 18:13.11 | paradoxmonkey | After debootstraping debian into a directory, can I then copy it to a raw image file? |
| 18:13.16 | jelly-hme | !tell Linux-IRC about xorg config squeeze |
| 18:13.18 | Linux-IRC | Is it Xorg -configure |
| 18:13.38 | cahoot | could try X -configure |
| 18:13.39 | Linux-IRC | !xorg |
| 18:13.39 | dpkg | X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:14.12 | jelly-hme | Linux-IRC: use /msg dpkg stuff to ask the bot about stuff |
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| 18:17.19 | Linux-IRC | jelly-hme: http://pastebin.com/ma59133b |
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| 18:17.33 | Linux-IRC | After X -configure |
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| 18:18.26 | jelly-hme | Linux-IRC: dpkg told you to ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) |
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| 18:23.29 | Linux-IRC | jelly-hme: Still current 800x600 |
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| 18:25.57 | wamty | how to list all startup services/deamons? |
| 18:27.28 | wamty | how to list all startup services/deamons in my debian box |
| 18:27.29 | wamty | ? |
| 18:27.59 | jhutchins_lt | wamty: rcconf is helpful |
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| 18:29.38 | wamty | is there a way to do itt? |
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| 18:33.23 | jhutchins_lt | wamty: rcconf is helpful |
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| 18:35.30 | lordkelmain | wamty, sysv-rc-conf might help. |
| 18:35.32 | ziyax | Hello, Our server getting some DDOS and all connections from attackers was in FIN_WAIT1/FIN_WAIT2 states. Is there anyway to block them i have few rules but i think its not enough even ask on netfilter's channel but seems everyone there is afk. Any help about it really appreciated |
| 18:36.15 | lordkelmain | wamty, for a few edits update-rc.d can help too. |
| 18:36.55 | jhutchins_lt | ziyax: I know there are some scripts that can do that, but you can use the throttle option on iptables. |
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| 18:39.50 | dfrank | tell me please, how do i multiple undo in ViM? When i typing "uu" it does nothing (ungoes an undo) |
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| 18:41.20 | ziyax | jhutchins_lt is there any example can you refer me? |
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| 18:41.37 | jhutchins_lt | ziyax: Try running it. |
| 18:41.51 | jhutchins_lt | ziyax: It has a manpage. |
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| 18:43.53 | ziyax | actually now machine is using %100 cpu on ksoftirqd and its dedicated ill check it when its free |
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| 18:44.54 | Linux-IRC | !xorg |
| 18:44.55 | dpkg | X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.4. To install, ask me about <install x>. Ask me about <drxx> to reconfigure. To remove, ask about <remove x>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg http://www.x.org/wiki/FAQ #xorg on irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:45.35 | Linux-IRC | What's the commad to set keyboad layout ? cosole-default |
| 18:45.43 | Linux-IRC | !keyboard |
| 18:45.44 | dpkg | A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware, or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/. For help configuring up your keyboard, ask me about <keymap>, <keyboard specialkeys>, <multimedia keys>, <key delay>, <capslock>. |
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| 18:46.00 | Linux-IRC | !console-default |
| 18:46.02 | Tw33k^ | 'lo |
| 18:46.17 | Linux-IRC | !keyboard-layout |
| 18:46.47 | Tw33k^ | i'd like to inquire about contributing to the debian project... |
| 18:47.20 | Linux-IRC | jelly-hme: Hello, can you give the link for keyboard layout again? |
| 18:47.29 | Linux-IRC | jelly-hme: By dpkg |
| 18:47.31 | Tw33k^ | i'm not terribly good at coding, i've maintained a few packages (deb) commercially - i'd like to give something back. |
| 18:47.42 | Tw33k^ | any suggestions on how i can get involved? |
| 18:48.16 | Linux-IRC | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 18:48.24 | raekism | Hi All |
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| 18:49.06 | Linux-IRC | It's 1024x768,but the font size of xterm is small, how can i increase the font size of xterm ? |
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| 18:50.13 | raekism | I got a question, I am trying to bring up VMware 6.0. When I go to launch the application it is saying kernel headers for version 2.6.26-2-amd64. I go to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26-1-amd64/ and not found. |
| 18:50.18 | raekism | Anyone know what I am missing? |
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| 18:52.30 | Linux-IRC | !reconfigure |
| 18:52.31 | dpkg | [reconfigure] really dpkg-reconfigure <pkg> |
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| 18:52.42 | Linux-IRC | !dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:52.43 | dpkg | methinks dpkg-reconfigure is a tool used to reconfigure packages |
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| 18:53.08 | raekism | that for me? |
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| 19:00.56 | raekism | !headers |
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| 19:12.09 | gpm | i have a wireless card that shows up in lspci as a RTL-8185. right now it's using the rtl8180 driver and getting very poor signal strength. is there a better driver? i don't have the CD that came with the card so if i do end up having to use ndiswrapper i'd need to know which version of the driver (xp/vista/etc) to get |
| 19:14.31 | jhutchins_lt | gpm: Why do you think the signal strength would be better with a different driver? |
| 19:17.00 | gpm | jhutchins_lt: if you have a better suggestion i'd happily take it, the card gets good strength in windows |
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| 19:18.23 | Georgius | Hi, i have still problem with my Debian router. After Etch->Lenny upgrade it stoped forwarding packets. I have one port forwarded into inner network and this works, I can connect out from the router, but there is no way for local net users to get "out". It is quite similar (but not the same, I can't even ping out) with this: http://www.phwinfo.com/forum/linux-debian-user/350073-ip-forwarding-router-box-no-longer-working-after-lenny-upgrade-can-ping-bu |
| 19:19.12 | Tw33k^ | gpm: it's likely your antenna |
| 19:19.15 | Tw33k^ | rather than the driver |
| 19:19.37 | Tw33k^ | i've got a rtl8180 which works very well with the rtl8180 driver. |
| 19:19.53 | gpm | well i'm also curious because it's an 8185 |
| 19:19.57 | gpm | not 8180 |
| 19:20.03 | Tw33k^ | yea... it's the same driver |
| 19:20.06 | Tw33k^ | what kernel |
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| 19:20.41 | Tw33k^ | /exec -o uname -a |
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| 19:21.44 | gpm | 2.6.31-1-amd64 |
| 19:22.02 | Tw33k^ | yea the 8180 driver works very well in 2.6.31 |
| 19:22.13 | gpm | so what should i do to the antenna? |
| 19:22.13 | Tw33k^ | its your antenna man |
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| 19:22.19 | Tw33k^ | likely nothing |
| 19:22.23 | gpm | what it's just busted? |
| 19:22.25 | Tw33k^ | is it an internal card? |
| 19:22.28 | gpm | pci |
| 19:22.35 | Tw33k^ | check the antenna connection |
| 19:22.47 | Tw33k^ | unscrew it, check out the joint, screw it back in tight |
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| 19:23.32 | gpm | ok |
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| 19:23.39 | Tw33k^ | any better? |
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| 19:23.55 | Tw33k^ | if the driver is working, you're done with that part |
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| 19:24.21 | Tw33k^ | you need to look more at your antenna and your access points Tx/Rx |
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| 19:35.39 | mercutio22 | what is the package that manages power consumption in gnome? |
| 19:36.05 | elli222 | devicekit-power, in sid |
| 19:36.14 | elli222 | i -think- |
| 19:36.36 | valdyn | gnome-power-manager |
| 19:36.42 | valdyn | mercutio22: ^^ |
| 19:36.47 | mercutio22 | Ithhaks |
| 19:36.50 | mercutio22 | thannks |
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| 19:37.26 | valdyn | or this is something that involves alot of interdependent packages, but gnome-power-manager is the GUI to it |
| 19:37.44 | elli222 | Hmm, why won't nautilus mount my floppy disk? D: |
| 19:37.57 | valdyn | elli222: for the reason stated in the error message |
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| 19:38.24 | elli222 | there is _no_ error message |
| 19:39.03 | Zambezi | How should I write in fstab so my /dev/sda becomes /dev/sde instead? It's encrypted so I don't want to mount it. |
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| 19:39.34 | valdyn | Zambezi: thats the wrong idea to move sda to sde |
| 19:39.52 | ehnvis | elli222: floppy disk? old school stuff then, make sure your kernel has floppy disk support |
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| 19:40.07 | elli222 | ehnvis: i can mount them manully |
| 19:40.12 | aaron__ | error while loading shared libraries: libGL.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 19:40.23 | aaron__ | how do i download the libgl.so.1 ? |
| 19:40.41 | ehnvis | elli222: ok |
| 19:40.50 | valdyn | aaron__: a) on which debian release b) which graphic card c) which graphics drivers being used |
| 19:41.01 | aaron__ | nvidia |
| 19:41.01 | Zambezi | valdyn: Why? Cause I don't connect all the harddrives every time I boot. Just the one's I need. |
| 19:41.19 | valdyn | Zambezi: how does renaming a drive solve what there? |
| 19:42.00 | valdyn | Zambezi: i dont even know what you are trying to resolve, but you cannot "rename" drives like that. |
| 19:42.20 | Zambezi | valdyn: So I don't have to double check every time I mount it so I mount it to correct path. |
| 19:42.31 | elli222 | ehnvis: i can mount the disk when running nautilus as root, (if it helps, im on sid) |
| 19:42.44 | valdyn | Zambezi: is the problem that you havea disk that has different sdX between reboots? |
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| 19:43.09 | Zambezi | valdyn: Cause the driver letter change I want to look a certain harddrive to a certain letter. |
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| 19:43.27 | Wyzard | aaron__: libGL.so.1 is in the libgl1-mesa-glx package, but for nVidia hardware the alternate in in the nvidia-glx package is needed |
| 19:43.28 | valdyn | Zambezi: stop thinking of the wrong solution |
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| 19:43.44 | Zambezi | valdyn: Might be a better solution? |
| 19:43.49 | valdyn | Zambezi: you can access partitions by LABEL and by UUID, both are persistent accross reboots |
| 19:44.14 | valdyn | Zambezi: the sdx are only persistent by incident, they can change anytime |
| 19:44.16 | ehnvis | elli222: sorry dont know anything about nautilus as i only use console myself. do you have a line in /etc/fstab that you use for mounting? |
| 19:44.49 | elli222 | i didnt put it there, but: /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 19:45.02 | Zambezi | valdyn: I recognize the harddrive with hdparm -I /dev/sda, but would like to skip that part. It's easier if I know a drive always is sda. |
| 19:45.31 | valdyn | Zambezi: didnt I just tell you that that is not possible and give solutions? |
| 19:46.15 | elli222 | look in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 19:46.27 | valdyn | Zambezi: read about disk lables in linux and /dev/disk/by-id and /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 19:46.39 | valdyn | Zambezi: thats 3 ways that are workable |
| 19:47.01 | Zambezi | valdyn: Thanks. |
| 19:47.11 | Wyzard | Zambezi: LVM is another way |
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| 19:47.38 | valdyn | Zambezi: lvm is actually the beautiful solution but also an entirely new partitioning scheme |
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| 19:48.55 | valdyn | and i think write barriers work too now |
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| 19:49.22 | valdyn | err "now" probably meaning kernels > 2.6.30+ or somesuch |
| 19:49.36 | mercutio22 | hello, I lost my Gnome graphical environment. .xsession-errors just says beggining session setup ... |
| 19:50.03 | mercutio22 | I installed some power management packages but which are probably in conflict |
| 19:50.18 | mercutio22 | I can't remember which they were |
| 19:50.30 | Zambezi | Wyzard: I'm open for any solution as long as I don't need to format the drives. The problem is I have say A, B, D hooked up to the computer, but next time I can hook up B, D. And then it's easier it no drive "steal" A:s letter. I'm going to read the tip I got after downhill. |
| 19:51.03 | valdyn | Zambezi: lvm involves "formatting" |
| 19:51.22 | valdyn | Zambezi: except that formatting is the wrong term, a dos / windows legacy |
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| 19:51.28 | Zambezi | valdyn: I assumed so. Not an option then. |
| 19:51.37 | Wyzard | Zambezi: You're thinking of those letters as something that ought to be permanently associated with the drives, but they're not meant to work that way |
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| 19:52.47 | Wyzard | Zambezi: There are other identifiers that *are* permanent, like filesystem UUIDs, that can be used for that purpose instead |
| 19:53.05 | elli222 | don't SAS disks have a WWN? |
| 19:53.17 | valdyn | elli222: wwn? |
| 19:53.37 | elli222 | valdyn: world wide name |
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| 19:53.47 | valdyn | elli222: any disk has an id that should be practically unique worldwide |
| 19:54.15 | valdyn | elli222: now debian is showing a wwn for my sata disks too, thats new |
| 19:54.31 | valdyn | wwn-0x50000f0015711112-part2 |
| 19:54.51 | elli222 | hmm, SCSI emulation ;) |
| 19:54.58 | valdyn | but ST3500320NS_9QM1D2XT is just as unique worldwide |
| 19:54.59 | Zambezi | Wyzard: UUID was what I had in mind. I'm hoping to find a good solution/workaround. But that's for tomorrow. |
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| 19:55.39 | Wyzard | Zambezi: Did you look in /dev/disk/by-uuid like valdyn said? |
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| 19:56.11 | Wyzard | Zambezi: If know about mounting by UUID then it's not clear to me what you're trying to find a workaround for |
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| 19:56.56 | valdyn | elli222: is there a decoding tool for wwns? |
| 19:57.09 | valdyn | elli222: like - a central registry where i can look up a disk ? |
| 19:57.14 | elli222 | valdyn no idea. |
| 19:57.33 | Zambezi | Wyzard: I made a note about casue I can't read atm. And it's better then to wait when I have time when it's less distractions. |
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| 20:00.06 | Wyzard | valdyn: hmm, I hadn't heard of WWNs before, but looking in /dev/disk/by-id I see them for one of my five drives, but not the other four |
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| 20:01.10 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.11 | Wyzard | valdyn: all SATA |
| 20:01.20 | TheGreatJohn | How sexy is my ride? |
| 20:01.21 | TheGreatJohn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEO2eRw4y5Y |
| 20:01.26 | valdyn | Wyzard: but thats only 2 types , the seagage .es2 line |
| 20:01.44 | valdyn | Wyzard: or was that .ES, i dont remember |
| 20:01.53 | valdyn | Wyzard: seagate enterprise line of sata drives |
| 20:02.31 | Wyzard | All my drives are Seagate, but the're ordinary consumer drives |
| 20:02.35 | TheGreatJohn | How sexy is my ride? |
| 20:02.36 | TheGreatJohn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEO2eRw4y5Y |
| 20:03.15 | Wyzard | The one with a WWN is a ST3500410AS, and the four that don't are all ST3750640AS |
| 20:03.43 | valdyn | Wyzard: hmm, its missing on the 250G seagate usb drive i have too |
| 20:04.07 | Wyzard | The first one was bought more recently and is probably a newer model, even though it's smaller in capacity... I wonder if it's something they only recently added |
| 20:04.10 | valdyn | err, thats a samsung |
| 20:04.19 | valdyn | so the seagate es drives have it |
| 20:04.47 | valdyn | Wyzard: some are a couple years old |
| 20:04.58 | Wyzard | OK, the one I have with a WWN Is a Barracuda 7200.12 according to the label |
| 20:05.17 | Wyzard | The ones without it are Barracuda 7200.10 or 7200.11 (don't remember offhand, and they're internal so I can't check easily) |
| 20:06.07 | valdyn | ST3500320NS ST31000340NS |
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| 20:06.23 | valdyn | about same age i think between yours and mine |
| 20:06.37 | Wyzard | So, if I understand correctly, WWNs are a variant of serial numbers that include OUIs to prevent collisions between manufacturers? |
| 20:06.54 | valdyn | thats what i understand |
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| 20:07.18 | Wyzard | That's good to know about |
| 20:09.31 | mercutio32 | can someone help me find out why gnome is not loading? Theres nothing in the .xsession-errors file |
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| 20:11.57 | Wyzard | Zambezi: You mentioned something about an encrypted drive earlier, so I just checked and found that LUKS volumes do get an entry in /dev/disk/by-uuid, using the UUID from the LUKS header |
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| 20:13.01 | Wyzard | Zambezi: so you can rely on that always existing for your encrypted volume, regardless of what "letter" the drive has been assigned |
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| 20:13.37 | Wyzard | (assuming you use LUKS; I don't know anything about loop-aes) |
| 20:14.17 | enyawix | in compiz over mesa3d doable |
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| 20:15.44 | Wyzard | enyawix: If you mean software-only rendering, probably not, but it should work as long as you have hardware 3D acceleration, even if it's not a powerful GPU |
| 20:16.06 | Wyzard | enyawix: Metacity's compositor (which works similarly to Compiz) works fine on the i915 GPU in my laptop |
| 20:16.33 | enyawix | no hardware 3D acceleration i do not have nvidea video :'( |
| 20:16.53 | abrotman | you don't need nvidia |
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| 20:17.08 | Wyzard | enyawix: nVidia is just one company that makes 3D hardware, not the only one |
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| 20:17.22 | Wyzard | enyawix: What type of video card do you have? |
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| 20:17.43 | Wyzard | enyawix: Unless it's a very old computer, it probably has at least some sort of 3D capability |
| 20:17.43 | enyawix | brb i will lspci for info |
| 20:17.49 | abrotman | lspci | grep VGA |
| 20:17.56 | Zambezi | Wyzard: Thanks for checking. I appreciate it. I identify the drive with hdparm -I, but I need to compare the id so I mount the harddrive to correct path. It's not a big deal, it just takes some time. |
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| 20:18.34 | elli222 | apparently AMD/ATI's R600 series of Gfx chipsets has open source 3D accel in the raedonhd driver |
| 20:18.41 | Zambezi | Wyzard: But this area is unknown to me so I need to read about it. Now I'm not sure what it means. |
| 20:19.02 | Wyzard | Zambezi: Run "cryptsetup luksUUID" on your encrypted volume (e.g. "cryptsetup luksUUID /dev/sda1") and note the ID that it prints |
| 20:19.25 | Wyzard | Zambezi: Put "/dev/disk/by-uuid/" on the front of that, and you have a path that can be used with luksOpen, luksClose, etc. |
| 20:19.42 | Wyzard | You can make a symlink to it with an easier-to-remember name, for convenience |
| 20:19.51 | enyawix | brb praying to google |
| 20:20.40 | Wyzard | enyawix: You don't need to install any special drivers for an Intel GPU, as you would with nVidia or ATI hardware -- accelerated 3D should "just work" |
| 20:22.44 | Zambezi | Wyzard: The easier-to-remember name is already done. My 320 GB-drive is 320-01 or 32001. I have a few things to catch up now before I give it a go. Thanks! |
| 20:23.01 | enyawix | Wyzard: i have no 3d i set up mesa as a software workaround |
| 20:23.22 | Zambezi | Wyzard: And the same way goes for the other drives to. I name the drives after size and not content. |
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| 20:23.36 | Wyzard | Zambezi: If you have those names set up already, pointing to "/dev/sda1" or whatever, you can change the link to point to the UUID device instead |
| 20:24.04 | Edxato | Hey guys how i put my radio station in rhytmbox? |
| 20:24.20 | Wyzard | enyawix: You're thinking of Mesa as a software-only renderer, but it also uses hardware support where available |
| 20:24.50 | Edxato | I want to hear La Mega in Rhytmobx |
| 20:25.06 | Wyzard | enyawix: In fact, I think nVidia's driver is the only one that doesn't use Mesa (nVidia ships its own libGL instead) |
| 20:25.58 | mercutio32 | dang.. something sinister must have happened. I read (WW) AllowEmptyInput is on, devices using drivers 'kbd', ḿouse' or 'vmmouse" will be diabled on /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:26.18 | enyawix | Wyzard: ok i will read some more |
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| 20:28.03 | enyawix | i hate is is hard to find nvidea video on a laptop |
| 20:28.12 | hark | mercutio32: so remove it then from your xorg.conf |
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| 20:29.59 | mercutio32 | hark: then how would I be able to use my keyboard and mouse? |
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| 20:30.15 | mercutio32 | hark: I can't fully load gdm |
| 20:30.18 | hark | mercutio32: hal takes care of it |
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| 20:30.29 | mercutio32 | hark: ok, I will try |
| 20:30.55 | mercutio32 | hark: do you think I might have installed some hal related package? |
| 20:31.16 | mercutio32 | hark: and that broke my X? |
| 20:31.45 | hark | mercutio32: i don't know what broke your X |
| 20:31.58 | hark | mercutio32: read http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/InputHotplugGuide |
| 20:33.51 | mercutio32 | hark: I don't know what might have triggered that. I used to need to have those lines in my xorg.conf file |
| 20:36.11 | mercutio32 | crap.. I am lost |
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| 20:38.41 | test65 | so I'm trying to understand the gnu size utility |
| 20:38.47 | test65 | basic question, but why for example is the total shown there different from the total size of the exec file? |
| 20:40.36 | jhutchins_lt | mercutio32: Newer versions of xorg don't even need a conf file, they probe everything at startup. Which usually works. |
| 20:41.31 | jelly-hme | test65: alignment issues? |
| 20:41.39 | nsadmin | test65: two threads... one, basic answer to be found in man size... second, what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 20:41.51 | mercutio32 | jhutchins_lt: how can I find out which is the version on my system? |
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| 20:44.42 | test65 | nsadmin: I looked at the man page before asking, but I must not be understanding it correctly if it is explained. Could you explain it please? |
| 20:44.56 | paradoxmonkey | After debootstrapping debian, which packages can be safely removed to further reduce the size of debian? |
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| 20:45.54 | jelly-hme | paradoxmonkey: it depends on what you don't need? portmap if it's still in base. |
| 20:46.18 | jelly-hme | paradoxmonkey: how lean do youy need it to be? |
| 20:46.31 | Wyzard | paradoxmonkey: What I do after installation is run aptitude and press 'M' on the "installed packages" heading to mark *everything* as auto-installed -- aptitude will mark everything for removal at this point -- then go through the list and press '+' on the packages I actually need or want, to tel aptitude to keep them and their dependencies |
| 20:46.32 | nsadmin | test65: what problem are you trying to solve? |
| 20:46.33 | rxt0 | hey there, i got a new home server but i'm using the same lenny install from the replaced machine, now the system changed network interfaces alias, how do i switch? or set? |
| 20:46.41 | Wyzard | paradoxmonkey: The result is that unneeded packages are marked for removal |
| 20:47.04 | purpleoptic | What software is good for encrypting individual files? |
| 20:47.19 | Wyzard | rxt0: Look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 20:47.25 | nsadmin | first, it has to be good |
| 20:47.37 | Wyzard | purpleoptic: gpg |
| 20:47.40 | test65 | nsadmin: I'm trying to understand how these sizes relate, what they mean, and how they correspond to the total size |
| 20:47.50 | test65 | test65: trying to learn, no specific problem |
| 20:48.07 | nsadmin | is size in binutils? |
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| 20:48.13 | paradoxmonkey | Well the thing is that I want a fast bootup speed with debian and compact flash on my atom mobo. I figured that if I reduce the size the faster the bootime... |
| 20:48.56 | Wyzard | paradoxmonkey: That's only true if the packages you remove are daemons that run at boot time |
| 20:49.00 | test65 | nsadmin: yes |
| 20:49.13 | Wyzard | paradoxmonkey: Removing other programs and libraries that have nothing to do with the boot process won't make a difference |
| 20:49.29 | nsadmin | probably then, size shows you how much ram would be used |
| 20:50.20 | purpleoptic | thanks a lot Wyzard will have a look! :) |
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| 20:51.01 | test65 | nsadmin: I'm guessing the code size is the thing in the text column |
| 20:51.26 | nsadmin | test65: do you understand what sections are? object files? know the parts of the compiler? |
| 20:51.37 | paradoxmonkey | Wyzard: to make debian boot really fast - what do I need to tweak? Custom kernel, parallel booting? |
| 20:51.49 | test65 | nsadmin: not really, thta's part of what I'm trying to learn |
| 20:52.01 | nsadmin | test65: start there |
| 20:52.03 | test65 | as in, I know what those are, but not in-depth |
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| 20:52.31 | nsadmin | cause it's -not- useful to talk about what size does unless you understand the files it's reading |
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| 20:52.42 | Wyzard | paradoxmonkey: Parallel booting would help, and I think it may be the default now in testing/unstable |
| 20:53.01 | test65 | nsadmin: I wrote a small assembler program and that's what I'm analysing |
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| 20:53.39 | Wyzard | paradoxmonkey: or at least, dependency-based boot order, which is a major component in support for parallel booting |
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| 20:54.27 | nsadmin | and part of that, probably, is that to understand what's going on it would be useful to understand asm and more specifically how assemblers generate object files and what the possible sections are |
| 20:55.20 | nsadmin | what you might do, since you have a (small?) asm file, is assemble it and generate an assembly listing |
| 20:55.50 | test65 | nsadmin: cool, how do I do that? |
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| 20:55.56 | test65 | yes, very small |
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| 20:56.50 | nsadmin | you'll need to understand the ELF format (not for portability's sake, of course... there will be other archs and other oses), and the format of the object file. |
| 20:57.12 | nsadmin | you could look at it with some hex dumper... emacs has hexl mode |
| 20:57.15 | test65 | yeah, I have a vague understand of both of them |
| 20:57.21 | test65 | yeah, I used something in vim |
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| 20:57.55 | test65 | so many 00s is not fun, but it's interesting =) |
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| 20:58.07 | nsadmin | size tells you the sizes of the sections... the files probably have additional metadata |
| 20:58.31 | paradoxmonkey | http://wiki.debian.org/BootProcessSpeedup <-- there is one user who managed to boot debian under 5 seconds, however no instructions are given. Anyone who know how to reach this goal? |
| 20:58.35 | pickcoder | insserv will reorder the boot scripts based on LSB |
| 20:58.52 | test65 | nsadmin: does the linker do that? |
| 20:59.01 | pickcoder | then you need to change the rc script CONCURRENCY var |
| 20:59.10 | Mefached | I'm trying to find a stable distro with KDE 3.5, but Slackware seems to want to argue with me and Vector Linux doesn't have a JDK in its repos (and I couldn't get it working). Is KDE 3.5 still supported in Debian and gettable with one command? |
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| 20:59.46 | nsadmin | does the linker do what? |
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| 21:00.09 | nsadmin | the assembler makes object files |
| 21:00.16 | craigevil | Mefached: debian stable/lenny has kde3.5 |
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| 21:00.23 | mercutio32 | What is the type1 module for? I think its not being loaded properly and that might be responsible for me not being able to log into gnome |
| 21:00.36 | nsadmin | the linker can make object files, but it can also make executables and probably other things |
| 21:00.46 | Wyzard | mercutio32: type1 is a font format |
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| 21:00.56 | amphi | mercutio32: type1 fonts - I doubt that's the cause of your problem |
| 21:01.12 | nsadmin | in particular ld -r a.o b.o -o ab.o |
| 21:01.14 | Mefached | I have a Debian ISO on here... debian-503, is that lenny? |
| 21:01.23 | nsadmin | probabluy |
| 21:01.35 | test65 | yeah, I used it to produce the executable |
| 21:01.42 | nsadmin | 5.0.3 is lenny |
| 21:01.44 | test65 | (which is the file that I'm checking the size on) |
| 21:02.03 | mercutio32 | amphi: if the fonts were gone, I could have a problem right? All error messages in the Xorg.0.log file are font related |
| 21:02.03 | nsadmin | and what are you comparing against? |
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| 21:02.15 | test65 | nsadmin: total file size (ls -l) |
| 21:02.23 | test65 | ..of the executable |
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| 21:02.38 | nsadmin | and the total is larger than the total output by size? |
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| 21:03.27 | test65 | nsadmin: size in ls -l is far larger than in size |
| 21:03.58 | nsadmin | try having it look at the asm output (the .o) |
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| 21:06.19 | jeeves_Moss | is there a streaming media server that allows you to admin the streaming server (for the internet) from a web interface, and the player of it is web baised as well? |
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| 21:07.26 | valdyn | paradoxmonkey: he is using kexec, thats not a complete reboot |
| 21:07.28 | do0ob | :( |
| 21:07.36 | do0ob | i can't get my framebuffer to stop using redraw |
| 21:07.47 | do0ob | can anyone help? |
| 21:08.14 | jelly-hme | kexec is very nice when your cold boot hardware init takes 5 minutes |
| 21:08.26 | nsadmin | jeeves_Moss google with these terms: linux streaming media server web interface |
| 21:08.37 | pickcoder | didn't know about kexec, but it's installed now :) |
| 21:09.03 | jeeves_Moss | nsadmin, thanks. not like I would have thought to do that allready, but thank for thinking I have the IQ if a rock |
| 21:09.18 | jelly-hme | pickcoder: I'm noy usre debian has it integrated as well as RHEL |
| 21:09.53 | pickcoder | RHEL takes ages to boot and evertime I've rebooted it's cold booted |
| 21:10.17 | nsadmin | jeeves_Moss: you would have said so if you did |
| 21:10.30 | pickcoder | if readahead works well, then this hardware RAID should help it boot really quickly |
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| 21:10.55 | jeeves_Moss | nsadmin, well, honestly, would you think that I would come and ask such a BROAD question here first? |
| 21:11.09 | test65 | nsadmin: so I guess it's not the same because size doesn't give the size of all sections of the executable? |
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| 21:11.25 | Mefached | jeeves_Moss, "google it" is pretty much going to be the reaction for something so specific |
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| 21:12.12 | nsadmin | jeeves_Moss: so did you do the google I suggested? a few of the links without scrolling anywhere looked interesting |
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| 21:13.42 | nsadmin | also, if you had searched, you would have (1) said so, (2) included the search terms you used, (3) related what you had done up to this point and (4) stated why what you've found so far was unsuitable |
| 21:13.50 | pickcoder | amavisd-new seems to be killing the boot time |
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| 21:14.34 | jeeves_Moss | nsadmin, well, I need something that has a built in web baised player AND admin console. |
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| 21:14.53 | Mefached | jeeves_Moss, sounds like something you should either google for or write yourself |
| 21:15.30 | nsadmin | so answer the other questions... what search terms? what have you tried so far? why were they unsuitable? |
| 21:16.22 | nsadmin | don't just act like you're the mgr who is slapping down a file on our desk and demanding that we research it |
| 21:16.33 | Mefached | nsadmin, Windows tech support disease |
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| 21:17.05 | nsadmin | and I'm here to obliterate that disease' |
| 21:17.10 | zenwryly | Anyone know of anything that will try passwords *similar* to a given password. Apparently I managed to enter a *slightly* wrong pasword twice when setting it. |
| 21:17.21 | nsadmin | it's fucking ridiculous |
| 21:17.36 | test65 | nsadmin: was I right? |
| 21:17.43 | valdyn | i cant believe he failed googling this |
| 21:18.13 | nsadmin | test65: not sure, I'm not following what you're doing specifically |
| 21:18.32 | nsadmin | test65: certainly could be. |
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| 21:18.56 | test65 | nsadmin: basically just ls -l executable && size executable. I'm guessing that there is a variance because it doesn't list all sections, and is that even true? |
| 21:19.18 | valdyn | jeeves_Moss: "built-in webbased player" is probably nonsense and not what you really want |
| 21:19.33 | valdyn | jeeves_Moss: players are best served by your apache2 or lighttpd |
| 21:19.55 | nsadmin | test65: probably, but again I don't know for sure |
| 21:20.15 | test65 | ok thanks |
| 21:20.19 | nsadmin | it could be that, and that the file has extra metadata for the sections |
| 21:20.20 | valdyn | jeeves_Moss: merging a webserver into a media server is something no engeneer would do, but maybe some vendor sells this is a package |
| 21:20.42 | test65 | nsadmin: what kind of metadata is that? Created by nasm? |
| 21:20.42 | jeeves_Moss | valdyn, I'd like something that has a flash end for users. I know it'll be served up by Apache |
| 21:21.07 | valdyn | jeeves_Moss: were talkiong about standard interfaces here, it needs no "built in" player |
| 21:21.15 | do0ob | cries |
| 21:21.18 | nkuttler | hm, is there something like a source code browser? click on function calls, get to definition etc? do IDEs have such features? |
| 21:21.19 | valdyn | jeeves_Moss: im sure theres alot of documentation about flash though |
| 21:21.26 | do0ob | ywrap and ypan are only available on x86 :( |
| 21:21.36 | do0ob | wait a sec, this is x86-64! |
| 21:22.15 | cmatei | test65: size only shows a couple of important sections. see objdump -x |
| 21:23.15 | valdyn | nkuttler: yes, theres alot of thing doing this |
| 21:23.19 | nsadmin | do0ob: they won't build on that arch? |
| 21:23.26 | valdyn | nkuttler: be a little more specific |
| 21:23.59 | do0ob | nsadmin: i have no idea, i just read it in a howto |
| 21:24.06 | nsadmin | nkuttler: there are lots and lots, of many different kinds |
| 21:24.16 | nkuttler | valdyn: for perl and php mostly. i just need it to read source, no editing etc |
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| 21:24.52 | pickcoder | kexec will not warm boot without rebooting the hardware. something's not setup |
| 21:24.54 | valdyn | nkuttler: and whats your editor / ide ? |
| 21:25.01 | nsadmin | nkuttler: probably it's best you put together a PDE (piecewise development environment) |
| 21:25.02 | nkuttler | vim |
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| 21:25.30 | nsadmin | maybe centered around vim, your stated editor preference |
| 21:25.38 | valdyn | nkuttler: ok, theres a plugin for that, i forget the name so give me a few mins |
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| 21:26.40 | nkuttler | i see, there are various vim scripts, i guess i'll try some of them first |
| 21:26.42 | do0ob | stupid retarded legacy hardware support causing me to suffer with a slow framebuffer :( |
| 21:27.11 | cmatei | nkuttler: for C, cscope is great. |
| 21:27.15 | do0ob | nsadmin: (the reason) Legacy mode: The mode used by 16-bit (protected mode or real mode) and 32-bit operating systems. In this mode, the processor acts just like an x86 processor, and only 16-bit or 32-bit code can be executed. 64-bit programs will not run. |
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| 21:27.44 | pipeline | nkuttler: komodo is a commercial product for linux that provides a proper IDE for perl and python; possibly php also, wouldn't know about that. |
| 21:27.54 | sw4 | i have to buy an AP master mode able NIC to run in 2.26.6 kernel... any suggestions ? A/B/G/N preferably |
| 21:27.59 | pipeline | nkuttler: realistically, though, most people just use a text editor and standalone debugger :) |
| 21:28.10 | valdyn | nkuttler: apt-cache show exuberant-ctags |
| 21:28.22 | valdyn | nkuttler: this one works for *huge* source trees fast too |
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| 21:28.29 | sw4 | oh and pci-express |
| 21:28.43 | pipeline | sw4: Intel. 'nuff said. |
| 21:28.58 | nkuttler | valdyn: looks very nice, thanks |
| 21:29.07 | pipeline | sw4: intel chipsets have far and away the best linux support, since intel supports linux directly |
| 21:29.09 | nkuttler | and thanks for all other suggestions, will try a few things |
| 21:29.12 | sw4 | well i have an intel but iwl3945 doesnt do master mode |
| 21:29.14 | do0ob | i wasted an entire evening compiling a kernel for this |
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| 21:30.07 | valdyn | pickcoder: it doesnt work the first time |
| 21:30.08 | pipeline | sw4: are you sure ? o_0 |
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| 21:30.52 | gyyg | hello |
| 21:31.01 | sw4 | xen:~# iwconfig wlan0 mode master |
| 21:31.01 | sw4 | Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : |
| 21:31.01 | sw4 | SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. |
| 21:31.18 | sw4 | err |
| 21:31.33 | sw4 | and then i look at |
| 21:31.34 | sw4 | http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers |
| 21:31.45 | sw4 | and it says no AP mode for it |
| 21:31.53 | gyyg | I just wrote a perl script that I want to be continuously running in the background of my debian box. how do I go about doing that? |
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| 21:32.03 | pipeline | sw4: google says it's a driver problem -_- |
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| 21:32.34 | pipeline | gyyg: http://search.cpan.org/~ehood/Proc-Daemon-0.03/Daemon.pm |
| 21:32.51 | sw4 | pipeline: yea but afaik thers no driver for it that supports it |
| 21:32.51 | pipeline | sw4: http://osdir.com/ml/linux.drivers.ipw3945.devel/2007-11/msg00184.html |
| 21:33.23 | cmatei | sw4: fwiw, neither ath9k and b43 work in ap-mode |
| 21:33.55 | pipeline | sw4: from that post it looks like your best bet is to find a fancier intel card :\ |
| 21:34.01 | sw4 | according to http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers ath9k does |
| 21:34.09 | pipeline | sw4: of course... wireless cards are sufficiently expensive that you're probably better off buying dedicated hardware |
| 21:34.17 | pipeline | sw4: is there any reason you couldn't just use a bridge ? |
| 21:34.32 | pipeline | sw4: or replace your linux PC host with embedded linux ? |
| 21:34.38 | sw4 | you mean as adhoc ? |
| 21:34.50 | cmatei | adhoc is not really the same |
| 21:34.51 | sw4 | well its running xen and several VM so kinda hard |
| 21:34.55 | pipeline | sw4: no... I mean a wireless AP that will bridge to ethernet |
| 21:35.11 | cmatei | adhoc does work on ath9k |
| 21:35.33 | pipeline | sw4: oh... well.. for VM purposes, it doesn't matter whether you're master or client |
| 21:35.47 | pipeline | sw4: the whole point of 802.11 is that wireless ethernet, from the software side, looks just like regular ethernet |
| 21:36.04 | sw4 | im not sure about the bridge |
| 21:36.43 | pipeline | sw4: most WAPs support bridging... even wireless<->wireless bridging if you want |
| 21:36.54 | pipeline | sw4: what does your network look like right now ? |
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| 21:38.10 | sw4 | well basically its machine doing NAT for the private network |
| 21:38.15 | hojda | Hi, I need help with my memory, there are some unofficial sources of software like(adobe flash player) Is there something like this for hamachi ? |
| 21:38.47 | sw4 | this machine however runs in a xen VM alongside with others that provide other services |
| 21:38.49 | jelly-home | !hamachi |
| 21:38.49 | dpkg | Hamachi is a proprietary zero-configuration virtual private networking (VPN) application. Direct links between (NATed) computers can be established without NAT reconfiguration. http://logmeinwiki.com/wiki/Hamachi:Install_on_Linux . Ask me about <vpn>. |
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| 21:41.33 | pipeline | sw4: I mean physically |
| 21:41.42 | pipeline | sw4: it sure doesn't sound ilke you need master mode... |
| 21:42.12 | pipeline | sw4: configure the ipw3945 for client mode against your existing AP, then bridge your Xen VMs just like you would on a physical connection. Problem solved. |
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| 21:42.33 | pipeline | sw4: frames is frames - the AP won't care that you have multiple MAC addresses coming from the same wireless endpoint |
| 21:43.00 | pipeline | sw4: I do this routinely on my work laptop. |
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| 21:43.21 | pipeline | sw4: if you're committed to doing NAT, you still don't need master mode... layers 2 and 3 are independent. That's why they're layers :) |
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| 21:45.28 | b_52light_ | hi |
| 21:45.30 | jelly-home | pipeline: don' |
| 21:45.36 | b_52light_ | if somebody is using lenny plz |
| 21:45.44 | b_52light_ | which repos contains transset |
| 21:45.47 | b_52light_ | ? |
| 21:45.50 | jelly-home | t wifi cards take measures against faking MAC addresses? |
| 21:45.57 | aaron__ | Å |
| 21:46.05 | pipeline | jelly-home: there's nothing fake about it ... your MAC is entirely arbitrary |
| 21:46.15 | pipeline | jelly-home: the way wireless works the MAC doesn't mean very much anyway |
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| 21:46.47 | jelly-home | it's far from arbitrary on wired ethernet |
| 21:46.56 | pipeline | jelly-home: it's totally arbitrary on wired ethernet also |
| 21:47.03 | pipeline | jelly-home: but much mor emeaningful |
| 21:47.13 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: it's arbitrary there too |
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| 21:47.33 | dondelelcaro | you can use almost any MAC you want; it just can't be duplicated on the same physical subnet |
| 21:47.43 | dondelelcaro | s/subnet/segment/ |
| 21:47.49 | pipeline | jelly-home: the thing to bear in mind about wireless is that the underlying protocol in no way resembles ethernet... it's an extremely complicated shell game to resemble ethernet for the sake of software |
| 21:47.59 | jelly-home | but you have to put the card into promiscuous mode |
| 21:48.03 | dondelelcaro | jelly-home: nope |
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| 21:48.24 | pipeline | jelly-home: dude every ethernet card from the dawn of time expects you to rewrite the MAC address |
| 21:48.34 | pipeline | jelly-home: traditionally, every NIC in a given host will share the same MAC |
| 21:48.46 | pipeline | jelly-home: that was the original idea... the MAC was supposed to be a host identifier not a port identifier |
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| 21:48.59 | pipeline | jelly-home: the idea of a hard-coded MAC that lives on the NIC is PC-centric |
| 21:48.59 | jelly-home | pipeline: pushing out packets is one thing, listening for them another |
| 21:49.14 | pipeline | frames |
| 21:49.15 | pipeline | not packets |
| 21:49.20 | jelly-home | right |
| 21:49.29 | pipeline | and "promiscuous mode" has nothing to do with the network |
| 21:49.33 | pipeline | that is, again, a pc-centric idea |
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| 21:49.47 | pipeline | the card receives every frame that exists on the wire |
| 21:49.54 | pipeline | "promiscuous mode" is a driver setting |
| 21:50.01 | pipeline | "do I bother to raise an interrupt for frames that aren't addressed to me" |
| 21:50.03 | jelly-home | it does not push every one back to the kernel |
| 21:50.06 | pipeline | yes |
| 21:50.33 | pipeline | again: not relevant to the network fabric |
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| 21:50.55 | jelly-home | pipeline: you just said it knows which one are addressed to it and which ones aren't |
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| 21:52.17 | pipeline | jelly-home: well, in an endpoint, it does |
| 21:52.23 | pipeline | jelly-home: PC chipsets are nice and convenient that way |
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| 21:52.53 | pipeline | jelly-home: in sw4's case, he wants to use his NIC as a bridge, so the OS is going to be making switching decisions. |
| 21:53.02 | jelly-home | oh right |
| 21:53.14 | pipeline | jelly-home: normally on a PC NIC, you can offload switching decisions to the on-board firmware |
| 21:53.15 | jelly-home | bridging pretty much implies promisc. |
| 21:53.54 | pipeline | jelly-home: yes, I'm just saying, "promiscuous mode" is a thing that only exists inside your PC. It has no bearing on the outside world. It's normal for traffic with varying MAC src/dst addresses to pass through the same link. |
| 21:54.31 | pipeline | jelly-home: (logically, in the original ethernet design, *all* traffic passed thruogh the same link :D) |
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| 21:55.52 | jelly-home | and it's pretty much physically true for wifi |
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| 21:59.08 | hojda | Wtf, How do I find out that I am not and am not controlled by a national or resident of any such country ????????? :))))))) |
| 21:59.58 | hojda | Should I as our ambassador ? |
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| 22:00.02 | hojda | ---ask |
| 22:00.55 | abrotman | hojda: do you need help ? |
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| 22:01.14 | hojda | It is even possible that some country does not allow to use Hamachi ??? |
| 22:01.40 | hojda | abrotman, yes, I am installing hamachi, and there is somethicg Ido not understand :) |
| 22:01.45 | zaoul | When I run synaptic, it ask me for my root pass but when I try to install applications the Apply button is still grayed out? This is a brand new install of lenny |
| 22:02.23 | sw4 | pipeline: i don't have an existing AP, thats the problem |
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| 22:04.27 | zaoul | I have a brand new install of lenny and can not install applications through synaptic, what gives? |
| 22:04.51 | hojda | zaoul, How do you do installing ? |
| 22:05.05 | zaoul | 501 CD1 iso graphical |
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| 22:05.28 | hojda | zaoul, How do you do installing / running / using synaptic ? |
| 22:05.34 | abrotman | so use aptitude |
| 22:05.37 | ALVAN | does someone knows who plays this song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-EAPGpF6zM&feature=fvsr# .. dont know who to ask ... |
| 22:05.41 | pipeline | sw4: in general getting a dedicated AP is the easiest/cheapest option |
| 22:05.44 | zaoul | abrotman: thats a work around not a fix |
| 22:05.58 | abrotman | zaoul: you're not exactly giving a lot of details |
| 22:05.59 | zaoul | hojda: the apply button is greyd out |
| 22:06.06 | pipeline | sw4: if you want something that runs linux, the wrt54gl is inexpensive and very, very easy to get going. |
| 22:06.16 | abrotman | sounds like gksu or gksudo isn't installed/configured |
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| 22:06.17 | sw4 | a pci-e nic goes for 20-30e i beleive... not really expensive |
| 22:06.21 | zaoul | I enter root pass when I click on synaptic |
| 22:06.25 | pipeline | sw4: that said, linux compatibility isn't that important to me. I prefer cisco when possible. |
| 22:06.37 | zaoul | can not click on apply button |
| 22:06.38 | hojda | zaoul, it will be grey if you do not make some changes |
| 22:06.47 | abrotman | or ignore me .. |
| 22:06.48 | sw4 | and i have some wireless routers around that i could use, but preferably i'd like to not use them |
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| 22:07.07 | zaoul | I did |
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| 22:07.55 | zaoul | and where is the quick search? |
| 22:10.10 | zaoul | this is redonkulous |
| 22:10.18 | hojda | zaoul, it will be grey if you do not make some changes in package installation/removation/updates. |
| 22:11.12 | zaoul | I did |
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| 22:11.49 | abrotman | zaoul: have you configured sudo? |
| 22:12.16 | zaoul | why do I need to for a brand new system? |
| 22:12.35 | zaoul | synaptic is in the system --> administration menu |
| 22:12.38 | abrotman | because you're trying to install software with a silly GUI tool |
| 22:12.52 | zaoul | im trying to use the default distrobution |
| 22:12.55 | zaoul | distribution |
| 22:12.59 | abrotman | that's not the 'default' |
| 22:13.14 | zaoul | what? |
| 22:13.43 | abrotman | i'm going to take a wild stab and say that you need to configure sudo .. if you're used to using GUI tools to do all your admin work (like in Ubuntu), many distros have sudo configured by default |
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| 22:14.08 | zaoul | but debian does not? yet contains an icon to the GUI tool in the menu? |
| 22:14.16 | nkuttler | not allowing any sudo commands is a perfect default config |
| 22:14.20 | abrotman | so .. is it using gksu or gksudo ? have you tried 'sux synaptic' ? |
| 22:14.24 | zaoul | yes |
| 22:14.26 | abrotman | nkuttler: i agree .. |
| 22:15.02 | abrotman | or try running it from a terminal and see if it gives useful messages |
| 22:15.05 | zaoul | weird |
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| 22:18.07 | simNIX | snaptic utilizes su-to-root which is not installed by dependence if you only install base system without desktop and then add gnome, xorg, gdm later - but since you get a password login Im asuming thats not what you meen by default install ... |
| 22:18.34 | zaoul | I installed deskto |
| 22:18.36 | zaoul | desktop |
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| 22:18.40 | simNIX | ... try as regular user su-to-root -X -c /usr/sbin/synaptic |
| 22:19.31 | purpleoptic | brb |
| 22:20.19 | simNIX | most things in gnome which need root privileges utilise sudo (regular users password) - synaptic uses su = root password; maybe you forgot what root passowrd you've set or maybe caps lock was on ? -> if sudo works try sudo bash and set root pasowrd |
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| 22:27.36 | hojda | Is it possible that I can not install hamachi because of this?: (....to which the United States has embargoed goods) ? |
| 22:27.48 | valdyn | hojda: no |
| 22:29.09 | hojda | valdyn, hamachi says I can not use it if "that" exists. It seems you are wrong ? |
| 22:29.26 | valdyn | hojda: "that" being what? |
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| 22:30.19 | hojda | valdyn, "that"=(No Software or Service may be downloaded, used or exported into (or to a national or resident of) Cuba, Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Syria, or any other country to which the United States has embargoed goods) |
| 22:30.37 | valdyn | hojda: and youre from one of those countries? |
| 22:30.43 | valdyn | hojda: then get hamachi elsewhere |
| 22:30.46 | hojda | valdyn, no |
| 22:31.05 | valdyn | hojda: what is your actual problem? |
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| 22:32.46 | hojda | valdyn, I do not know if Czech republic belongs to this category. It seems I have to find out what Czech republic has about United states ? |
| 22:33.03 | valdyn | hojda: why the hell are you still talking about possible embargos? |
| 22:33.24 | valdyn | hojda: forget about that, state your actual problem, do not make wild guesses like this |
| 22:33.57 | abrotman | he's installing hamachi which probably has some sort of export restriction agreement i'd guess |
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| 22:34.05 | abrotman | hojda: you're fine |
| 22:34.15 | valdyn | he actually read the EULA i guess |
| 22:34.19 | valdyn | i never did |
| 22:34.33 | hojda | valdyn, How do I know if am allowed to use Hamachi in my country? There are coutryes that US does not like or what ? : ) |
| 22:34.35 | abrotman | i think it's a checkbox to get to download it |
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| 22:34.43 | valdyn | hojda: why the hell do you care about the US? |
| 22:34.58 | adb | heh .. |
| 22:34.59 | hojda | valdyn, I do not break rules ! :) |
| 22:35.10 | valdyn | hojda: thats your problem |
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| 22:35.58 | valdyn | hojda: trust me you would know if the US had an embargoe against your country |
| 22:35.58 | hojda | valdyn, I am not informed enough to be sure of my possibilities of use Hamachi in my country... |
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| 22:36.20 | abrotman | hojda: you're fine .. just download it .. there is no embargo against your country |
| 22:36.21 | valdyn | hojda: that would be a *major* headline anywhere in europe |
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| 22:36.39 | valdyn | hojda: its not thinkable that the us could embargoe europe, nor vice versa |
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| 22:37.01 | hojda | valdyn, I seeeeeeeeee :-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 22:37.16 | hojda | abrotman, ok, thanks :))) |
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| 22:39.55 | hojda | valdyn, oh, nice :) This is first time I hear thing such as those for me.... I am not well informed of those things, because I do not like them :) |
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| 22:42.13 | hojda | !hamachi |
| 22:42.14 | dpkg | Hamachi is a proprietary zero-configuration virtual private networking (VPN) application. Direct links between (NATed) computers can be established without NAT reconfiguration. http://logmeinwiki.com/wiki/Hamachi:Install_on_Linux . Ask me about <vpn>. |
| 22:42.36 | abrotman | yes .. we know |
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| 22:42.55 | pickcoder | mm yellow tail |
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| 22:44.56 | hojda | My tun.* file has a 0 size, is it OK ? Can I continue installation ? |
| 22:45.56 | hojda | eh ... :-D I mean for hamachi installation .. |
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| 22:52.06 | Z41d | hello |
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| 22:54.43 | abrotman | you can specify it in your xorg.conf |
| 22:55.50 | Z41d | how? |
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| 23:02.13 | hoo-hah | hi guys, with debian, are any files in /var/run needed if I were to use rsync as a backup? or are it's contents created via daemons started at boot? |
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| 23:04.31 | format_c | hoo-hah, usually for backup purpose you can skip this directory recusivly |
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| 23:05.17 | hoo-hah | the dir will need to be kept, though, rigght? |
| 23:05.21 | hoo-hah | just not it's contents |
| 23:05.34 | hoo-hah | --exclude "/var/run/*" ? |
| 23:05.46 | hoo-hah | dunno make that exclude recursively |
| 23:07.03 | format_c | I don't understand the word "dunno". |
| 23:07.14 | hoo-hah | 'don't know' |
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| 23:07.27 | hoo-hah | don't know how to make rsync exclude recursively |
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| 23:07.52 | hoo-hah | won't /var/run/* only target files, and not dir? |
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| 23:08.36 | format_c | Ah ok. `--exclude "/var/run/*"` will skip contents not containing slashes as directory have. |
| 23:09.15 | format_c | `--exclude=/var/run/**` would do that though. |
| 23:09.36 | format_c | note the = sign |
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| 23:09.58 | format_c | that's the correct syntax referring to the manual page. |
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| 23:10.48 | format_c | Refer to the "INCLUDE/EXCLUDE PATTERN RULES" section in the man-page of rsync |
| 23:10.56 | format_c | it's very useful |
| 23:11.32 | ootput | I'm fairly certain ** is not needed |
| 23:11.52 | ootput | unless it were to be in the form: **/temp.log |
| 23:12.15 | hoo-hah | format_c: oh yeah. I was just lazy in typing hehe |
| 23:12.59 | hoo-hah | format_c: my rsync snippet at http://paste2.org/p/549077 |
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| 23:15.39 | format_c | hoo-hah, looks good |
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| 23:17.07 | format_c | need to leave now. gn8 all |
| 23:17.34 | hoo-hah | excludes, http://paste2.org/p/549080 and includes http://paste2.org/p/549081 |
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| 23:29.14 | sh4d3sl4y3r_ | is there a way to switch to grub-legacy from grub2 for testing? having problems chainloading BTX |
| 23:29.20 | qwd | What is the skype package in Debian Squeeze AMD64? It says it isn't a real package, but why is it there? |
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| 23:30.13 | centHOGG | qwd: hi are you using the 3.5 firefox? |
| 23:31.22 | qwd | centHOGG: no it's still at 3.0 |
| 23:31.30 | centHOGG | yeah |
| 23:31.32 | jelly-home | qwd: there is no skype package in Debian, and there won't be one |
| 23:31.35 | jhutchins_lt | qwd: I think you have to get skype from skype. It might just be a downloader/installer script. |
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| 23:31.59 | jelly-home | judd: versions skype --arch amd64 |
| 23:31.59 | judd | jelly-home: skype -- |
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| 23:32.52 | themill | There's no skype in debian and I don't believe skype provides amd64 packages. |
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| 23:33.03 | qwd | yeah I get that but why do I even see skype in aptitude? |
| 23:33.28 | themill | "see"? |
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| 23:34.08 | qwd | aptitude search skype |
| 23:35.06 | qwd | But I think I get it now. It's for i386, you install the skype "package", add skype repo and type "skype" into the terminal |
| 23:35.38 | jelly-home | apt-cache policy packagename will tell you which repo a package can be installed from, qwd |
| 23:35.48 | jelly-home | which configured repo, even |
| 23:35.55 | centHOGG | apt-cache |
| 23:37.01 | qwd | jelly-home: thanks, i didn't know that. not that it told me anything about skype but good to know in the future :) |
| 23:37.24 | jelly-home | qwd: then it's not installable from any configure repo. |
| 23:37.29 | jelly-home | d. |
| 23:38.01 | KnuckOne | there is no skype available for squeeze... only for lenny :P |
| 23:38.01 | qwd | jelly-home: aptitude already told me that though :) |
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| 23:38.11 | KnuckOne | i wonder where you got that :) |
| 23:38.21 | qwd | KnuckOne: true, but I'll try installing it now anyway |
| 23:38.46 | centHOGG | gl |
| 23:39.35 | jhutchins_lt | Anybody familiar with pidgin for aol/yahoo? |
| 23:39.50 | qwd | !ask |
| 23:39.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 23:39.55 | themill | jhutchins_lt: you need it from backports.org; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 23:40.07 | centHOGG | jhutchins: not really |
| 23:40.45 | qwd | It worked. It's possible to install Skype on 64bit Squeeze. |
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| 23:40.57 | jhutchins_lt | themill: I think what I need is to go manage the accounts on the two sites. I signed up a blackberry for one of them and it always shows "Mobile Device" in my buddy list with duplicate buddies. (Blackberry is gone with the job and good riddance.) |
| 23:41.00 | centHOGG | that was quick... |
| 23:41.11 | jhutchins_lt | themill: What does the backports version give me? |
| 23:41.23 | haqe17 | why is nvidia-glx wanting to remove xserver-xorg ? What should I do? |
| 23:41.46 | themill | jhutchins_lt: the version in lenny won't talk to either aol or yahoo due to recent changes in these proprietary protocols. |
| 23:41.56 | qwd | centHOGG: only needed to get ia32-libs ia32-libs-gtk libqt4-core libqt4-gui |
| 23:42.23 | centHOGG | qwd: kewl... so you tested it by calling someone? |
| 23:42.26 | qwd | and then do: dpkg -i --force-architecture /pathtoskype |
| 23:42.31 | qwd | centHOGG: will do that now :) |
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| 23:43.15 | centHOGG | testing the new koala |
| 23:43.20 | babilen | qwd: I heard that people had luck with the amd64 for ubuntu. |
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| 23:43.32 | centHOGG | <amd64 |
| 23:43.41 | qwd | ok I spoke too soon. When trying to log in skype crashes. |
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| 23:44.01 | centHOGG | qwd: yeah skype is finicky to setup |
| 23:44.11 | qwd | it worked just fine in lenny though :) |
| 23:45.02 | babilen | qwd: try the amd64 package for ubuntu - if you have problems with your webcam come back |
| 23:45.20 | poppy_bsd | is it possible to set key-only access via ssh for specific users? |
| 23:45.21 | centHOGG | babilen: have you tried it yet? |
| 23:45.41 | babilen | centHOGG: I installed it for other people. |
| 23:45.48 | centHOGG | trying koala all day today |
| 23:46.09 | centHOGG | babilen: great... you bash script right? |
| 23:46.24 | poppy_bsd | i want to disallow some users to login with password through ssh, that is |
| 23:46.30 | babilen | centHOGG: what? |
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| 23:47.02 | centHOGG | bash_aliases, bashrc |
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| 23:47.06 | babilen | centHOGG: I am most certainly not a BASH script |
| 23:47.20 | centHOGG | no do you bash script in the new ubuntu |
| 23:47.48 | babilen | centHOGG: I don't use Ubuntu and yes I program in bash when applicable. |
| 23:48.19 | babilen | but this is kind of off topic ... |
| 23:48.30 | centHOGG | dweeb |
| 23:48.50 | themill | ? |
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| 23:50.24 | qwd | Well, I removed skype-debian with dpkg -r skype and installed the 64 bit skype-ubuntu but it still crashes when trying to log in. Apparently it's not true 64bit anyway it just has dependencies included and since I already have them I shouldn't gain anything from using the ubuntu package. |
| 23:50.29 | jelly-home | !confuse centHOGG |
| 23:50.30 | dpkg | Yes, them was their badger yesterday, centHOGG? Wellies of the Monarchy of Micronesia with extra cheese. |
| 23:50.41 | haqe17 | !nvidia |
| 23:50.42 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 23:50.54 | jhutchins_lt | themill: um, seems to be connecting to something. |
| 23:52.09 | themill | jhutchins_lt: *shrug* don't use it myself; it was a FAQ earlier in the year. (may have been ICQ not AOL though) |
| 23:52.29 | jhutchins_lt | May have been backported to the release then. |
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| 23:52.52 | jhutchins_lt | Don't see anybody I know online now. |
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| 23:53.52 | lolufail | hi! |
| 23:54.04 | jhutchins_lt | *shrug* also. |
| 23:54.11 | babilen | qwd: Have a look at: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=448641 |
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| 23:54.25 | lolufail | I'm sorry if this is more a networking question: how can I tell debian to route packages from other machines according to its own routing tables? |
| 23:54.30 | lolufail | is this NAT with iptables? |
| 23:55.08 | babilen | qwd: the script in the end might just do the trick ... if not: write angry mails to skype |
| 23:55.17 | jhutchins_lt | lolufail: That should be the default. |
| 23:55.25 | qwd | Skype is proprietary crap, Jingle with Empathy or Psi is not usable because of severe lag in sound (to me anyway), is there a good solution for voip? Ekiga maybe? I can't accept that you get better sound with a cell phone than a computer with high bandwidth :) |
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| 23:55.29 | jhutchins_lt | I can find you a good tutorial though... |
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| 23:56.15 | jhutchins_lt | http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/firewall-examples.html |
| 23:56.41 | lolufail | jhutchins_lt: then something else is broken.. the machine itself can access both private networks it's on, but all the clients on network1 can't access network2, even though the "gateway" is their default gateway |
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| 23:57.09 | lolufail | oh so this _IS_ masquarading I'm trying to do? |
| 23:57.18 | lolufail | I thought it was ... some other kind of routing |
| 23:57.21 | jhutchins_lt | lolufail: I think you probably need to set that up explicitly in the tables. |
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| 23:57.55 | jhutchins_lt | Well.... It's not masquerading per-se, but I think the IP Tables need to have forward rules. |
