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00:10.34jareth_bash-completian doesn't seem to work from a remote screen session for me, it seems to lock bash, after pressing control_c shell is available again, does this behaviour seem familiar to anybody?
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00:11.03fr3akHi,
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00:12.46jareth_BTW, I use lenny
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00:15.55fr3akdamn it. I have a number of screen sessions su starting from rc.local but they don't start as it appears it runs out of available TTYs the screen sessions immediately detach but not fast enough for tty, I only get two loaded (plus root console), one from the middle and one at the end of the rc.local file out of 30 screen sessions. I need to have one per user (each named differently) for 30 users (don't ask) is there someway to increase the
00:17.07KnuckOnejareth_: only for debian packages, but usually after 4 letters no more "locking"
00:17.18jmarsdenfr3ak: sleep 5 between creating each session :)
00:18.56fr3akok, would increasing the number of TTYs spawned at startup in inittab help? (I will try sleep first)
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00:20.10jareth_jmarsden: How do you mean? For instance cat .profi[TAB] is causing trouble
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00:21.14jareth_KnuckOne: How do you mean? For instance cat .profi[TAB] is causing trouble
00:22.13jmarsdenfr3ak: I'm not sure abut increasing spawned ttys... it is probably the number of pseudottys that are causing you grief, I think, not real ttys.
00:22.18jelly-homefr3ak: you're startinf screeens detached, right?
00:22.44peterrooneyfr3ak: why are you starting these screen sessions in the first place?
00:22.47fr3akyeah -d -m
00:22.53KnuckOnejareth_: bash completion "locking" usually occurs only when the number of possible completions is high (but it seems to be unrelated for you)
00:22.56jelly-homefr3ak: ttys in inittab are just virtual consoles, and screen is not using those
00:23.34jareth_KnuckOne: yups, you're totally right ;)
00:23.37jmarsdenpeterrooney: He did say    (don't ask)    about that :)
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00:23.47fr3akwell can you explain why only 2 plus the console start then :)
00:23.51peterrooneyhe said don't ask about the number of users.
00:23.58fr3akand they are on /dev/pts/1 and 2
00:25.14jelly-homefr3ak: you might be triggering some sort of weird race condition with pseudotty spawning, or you might be having some other error.  Do the screens get started and exit, or do they not get started at all?
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00:25.19fr3akerr they are running irssi instances? (not really true but for arguments sake)
00:25.33fr3akthey just dont start at all
00:25.46fr3aki get no error in any log
00:26.00jelly-homefr3ak: can you run the rc.local script manually with a "set -x" and see what happens?
00:26.03fr3aki get no startup message in the logs either so its likely not getting logged at all
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00:26.28jelly-homewhere would you expect a startup message?  You have to provide one yourself.
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00:28.24fr3akhmmm...
00:28.30fr3akjust starts the same two again
00:28.37fr3akmust be something else
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00:29.18jelly-homeeven with set -x?
00:29.56jelly-homewell, then it's the usual suspects, check exit code of relevant commands, etc
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00:30.32fr3akyeah i have Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check
00:30.34fr3aki can chmod the pts and then it works
00:30.37giwewhere can I find info about kde+testing possibly broken?
00:30.53fr3akbut what is causing the lock in the first plave
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00:31.41themillgiwe: install libxklavier15 from sid and all will be well
00:31.56giwethemill: thanks
00:32.02nsadminfr3ak: owned by another process?
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00:32.47fr3akcrw--w---- 1 root tty 136, 0 2009-12-05 18:32 /dev/pts/0
00:32.56nsadminif you chmod, then obviously it's permissions
00:33.20fr3akTTYs are set to 0600 by default
00:33.35fr3aki can set that to 777 or whatever but is there a security risk involved?
00:33.44abrotmanuh .. yeah
00:33.45jelly-homefr3ak: pastebin the rc.local script
00:33.51nsadminso the question becomes... what opens a tty?
00:34.07jelly-homensadmin: screen or xterm or whatever needs one
00:34.08nsadmingetty, right? and the getty sets the perms later?
00:34.16fr3aklogin.defs lists TTYPERM as 0600
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00:35.09jelly-homensadmin: well, more correctly, they open /dev/ptmx, ask it for a tty, the kernel creates one if it can with proper ownership and hands it back... as a fd I think.
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00:35.40giwethemill: it would be nice if we got your hint by "/msg dpkg testing kde"
00:35.46fr3aki can just paste a single line, its just thirty more just like it
00:35.57fr3aksu Deck -c "screen -S Deck.rt -d -m irssi"
00:36.08jmarsdenfr3ak: Wow, no for loop?
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00:36.40jelly-homefr3ak: does the other users exist?
00:36.42fr3akerr no
00:36.43jelly-homedo*
00:36.48fr3akyeah they all exist
00:36.53fr3akown LVMs etc
00:37.09jelly-homedo they have valid login shells?  Can you su to them otherwise?
00:37.18fr3akyep
00:37.24jelly-homefr3ak: plase pastebin the actual script.
00:37.29fr3ak-/bin/sh
00:37.56nsadminjelly-home: aha... so if the "protocol" specifies that a pty is created then handed over, trying to access an existing one is going to be a problem
00:38.01themilldpkg, kde squeeze is <reply>KDE4 in squeeze is in the middle of a transition and currently not installable. Install libxklavier15 from sid to solve these problem using a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>). "Testing is called testing for a reason".
00:38.02dpkgokay, themill
00:38.11themillgiwe: ^^ like that :)
00:38.20jelly-homefr3ak: also, the output of sh -vx .../rc.local
00:38.26haqe17If I have both testing and sid sources set in sources.list  how can I set the default to be used?
00:38.59jmarsdenhaqe17: man apt_preferences
00:39.00jelly-homensadmin: screen shouldn't be given an existing one but a new one.
00:39.10giwethemill: anyone can do that?
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00:39.23fr3akhttp://pastebin.com/m5c37728d
00:40.02themillgiwe: yes, but we it's not really encouraged, and vandals tend to get kickbanned...
00:40.29jelly-home!tum
00:40.30dpkgecho 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf, edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to sid. then apt-get update. use apt-get -t sid install foo; to install foo from sid rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release. set Preferences->Distribution
00:40.37giwethemill: sure. but this is legitimate :)
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00:41.00fr3akhmmm maybe i should have ; on the end of each line
00:41.02fr3ak...
00:41.10jelly-homethemill: isn't it better to install foo/unstable instead of -t unstable install foo?
00:41.11nsadminthen SYNAPTIC is broken
00:41.15jetscreameri hate jelly! with my peanut butter...
00:41.34jetscreamerhoney is good though
00:41.46nsadminI can't say I hate jets or creamers....
00:41.47jelly-homehoney and pb? You sick person.
00:42.17fr3akoutput of sh -vx http://pastebin.com/m625952f2
00:42.23themilljelly-home: probably, thinking back to the discussion we were having the other day. Although if foo has deps that are only satisfiable in sid, then foo/unstable will fail.
00:42.27nsadminlikes strawberry or rasberry jam w/ pb
00:42.53jelly-homethemill: it won't, since the priority for sid is still >= 100
00:43.05giwethemill: I should had learned my lesson a while ago: Don't say Y in testing if aptitude wants to remove a bunch of packets suddenly.
00:43.10nsadminthe pb should be the just-peanuts-and-salt kind you have to stir and refrigerate
00:43.29themillgiwe: heh
00:43.30jelly-homethemill: ...maybe.  I pin lots of stuff manually and I haven't checked
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00:44.05en1gmaahey all im running debian squeeze and wireshark wont install
00:44.08jelly-homensadmin: refrigerate?! Why, do you refrigerate whole peanuts?
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00:44.30giwethemill: I did a dist-upgrade and kdebase got wiped out because of the missing dependency that you mentioned ... but all well now.
00:44.35en1gmaaso i downloaded the svn of wireshark and installed the deb package of builtbot
00:44.40en1gmaacan someone tell me what is next
00:44.50themilljelly-home: yeah, you're probably right on that. (foo/unstable also requires all the versioned deps to be perfect which is perhaps ambitious!)
00:45.05en1gmaai went to wireshark website and it dont guide you through it
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00:45.47fr3ak"Note that some distros, such as Debian, do not use rc.local for startup scripts. See the Debian FAQ if you'd like to add startup scripts for Debian or Debian-derived distros." well thats probably why...
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00:46.24fr3aki'll just put it in  rc2.d
00:46.27themill!rc.local
00:46.28dpkgi guess rc.local is /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence.  If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local).  rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>).
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00:46.34jelly-homefr3ak: your script is far from a proper startup script, and you already said it starts the first two.
00:46.45jelly-home!rc.boot
00:46.46dpkgrumour has it, rc.boot is a quick and easy way to run things at boot time. Simply put a short script in the /etc/rc.boot directory that does what you want. For the full blown and flexible way of doing it "right": see init.d, or obsolete
00:47.03jelly-homeprefers rc.boot to rc.local ;-)
00:48.03fr3akno it starts about the 18th and the 30th
00:48.20haqe17jmarsden: thankx,
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00:48.40fr3akand its the same two all the time which makes me think it's something else
00:48.41jmarsdenhaqe17: You're welcome.
00:48.43hoo-hahI'm considering mounting /tmp as tmpfs with noexec,nosuid,rw. I also have /var/tmp symlinked to /tmp. Now http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/57 suggests a workaround for a problem where dpkg scripts at install need to be executable: DPkg::Pre-Invoke{"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};
00:48.48hoo-hahDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";};
00:48.48dpkghoo-hah: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
00:49.00hoo-hahis this still the case (article dated 04)
00:49.12themillhoo-hah: yes, this is still needed
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00:49.46hoo-hahthemill: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/57#comment_5 suggests potential error with logrotate.. is that also still applicable?
00:49.51jelly-homehoo-hah: or just remount,exec before installing stuff
00:49.53hoo-hah(I'm guessing you've experience with this)
00:49.58Maguihi, guys.  I've run into a bit of a problem with my laptop.  I can't change the screen brightness anymore (this problem started two days ago).  running debian squeeze, kernel 2.6.30-2-amd64.  any of you run into this problem lately?  are there any acpi issues with 2.6.30?
00:50.16themillhoo-hah: never had any problems with logrotate like that
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00:50.24Maguiright now, screen brightness is always at max.
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00:50.53jelly-homehoo-hah: don't forget /dev/shm
00:51.13themill!tmp noexec
00:51.14dpkgdpkg doesn't like you mounting /tmp noexec, so you need to: echo -e 'DPkg::Pre-Invoke {"mount -o remount,exec /tmp";};\nDPkg::Post-Invoke {"mount -o remount /tmp";}' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/tmp-noexec
00:51.15Maguiuh...something else too...when I run "dmesg | grep brightness", I get:   [    0.757455] ACPI Error (video-0537): Current brightness invalid [20090320]
00:52.38Maguistrange error...almost as if it's saying that "20090320" is an invalid value for brightness (obviously, it's a date, not a brightness value, right?).  uh...maybe I'm just misinterpreting that error message.
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00:52.49nsadmindpkg shouldn't be caring about that; that's broken because it should be the admin choice how partitions are mounted
00:52.49dpkgthat's too long, nsadmin
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00:53.13nsadminthat's what she said!
00:53.20themillnsadmin: so it would be dpkg's fault if you mounted /usr read-only and then tried to install things?
00:54.00jelly-homeYES
00:54.03nsadminwell dpkg should have a place that doesn't have to be /tmp
00:54.51themillnsadmin: /tmp is for temporary files.... if the admin wants to have a strange and non-standard setup, then they have to configure things accordingly (and there are a number of ways of doing so)
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00:55.27jelly-homea noexec /tmp isn't _that_ strange
00:55.36nsadminso you're saying there are workarounds in case the admin wants to do that
00:55.57jelly-homeand there's 0 reason for dpkg to place install scripts exactly in /tmp/whatever/
00:56.11themilljelly-home: quite... I use it on all public-facing machines
00:56.24themilljelly-home: it doesn't, that's just the default location
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00:57.11nsadminI guess it would be Draconian to mount /home noexec :)
00:57.24themillI've been known to do that too...
00:57.39exprimwhat's so weird about that? :P
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00:57.54hoo-hahthemill: apt.conf deprecated?
00:58.01themillno
00:58.09themill!dbugs 116448
00:58.14dpkgDONE:#116448:W[debconf] apt-extracttemplates should not default to /tmp (); Sun, 21 Oct 2001 02:18:02 UTC [129289 149329 171170]
00:58.27jelly-homethemill: how does one change it?
00:59.06themillTMPDIR=/foo/jelly/should/just/remount aptitude install frobinators
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00:59.55jelly-homethat's not really a config option it is
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01:00.04hoo-hahthemill: i still don't get what that bug is saying
01:00.04jelly-homeis it*
01:00.22themillAPT::ExtractTemplates::TempDir is also claimed to work but I've never tried it
01:00.23aptthemill: okay
01:00.27hoo-hahessentially I should put the remount lines in a file under apt.conf.d, rather than in the apt.conf file?
01:00.32themillgah.....
01:00.50hoo-hahyou just confused me further (not that that's very hard)
01:00.56jmarsdenfr3ak: In case it helps, I can create 30 users and start 30 sessions by doing:   for i in {1..30} ; do echo $i ; adduser --disabled-password --gecos testuser$i testuser$i ; done ; for i in {1..30} ; do echo $i ; su testuser$i -c "screen -S testuser${i}.rt -d -m irssi" ; done
01:01.01jelly-homeoh, it's apt's fault?
01:01.08themillapt forget extracttemplates::tempdir
01:01.08apti forgot extracttemplates::tempdir, themill
01:01.19abrotmanheh
01:01.31themilljelly-home: apt extracts the stuff, dpkg execs it.
01:02.16jelly-homethemill: that's weird and unexpected for me, I expected dpkg to be doing the dpkgy work :-)
01:02.38jetscreamerthey break shit and blame something else
01:03.00themill?
01:03.08hoo-hahso files under apt.conf.d/ are basically virtually appended to apt.conf flatfile?
01:03.16themillhoo-hah: yes
01:03.19hoo-hahit's just a way to manage individual rules?
01:03.35themilljelly-home: apt tries to get you to configure everything in advance of installation (hence, extracttemplates) rather than having to do it package by package in a very annoying fashion
01:03.44fr3akjmarsden: thanks obv i dont need the adduser but looks good otherwise, is that in rc.local?
01:04.09hoo-hahthemill: how do I deactivate such a rule? I can't unset executable bit as they're not executable (at least the ones I've found on my system)
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01:04.28jmarsdenfr3ak: Well, I only tried it from a root shell at this point, don't really want to reboot.  If you need it I can try it in rc.local in a VM for you...
01:04.56fr3akah i'll try it, my system is non-functional for me without this working anyway :)
01:05.46fr3aki'm running testing so writing the LSB header wasn't going to be much fun anyway
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01:05.57themillhoo-hah: delete/move the file or reverse it with a subsequent config option are the only ways I know of
01:07.00jmarsdenthemill: sed -i -e 's/^/#//' filename     # should also do it by commenting out all lines of the file, I think?
01:07.08jelly-homefr3ak: also, please do use a for loop instead of the current copy pasta
01:07.41hoo-hahalso, re: the factoid !tmp noexec, there's no xy_ prepended to the tmp-noexec file, while other files in the dir have this
01:07.59themilljmarsden: heh, yeah commenting it out would work too (although apt.conf uses C/C++ style comments instead of sh-style)
01:08.02Maguihi, guys.  I've run into a bit of a problem with my laptop.  I can't change the screen brightness anymore (this problem started two days ago).  right now, screen brightness is set to maximum (as far as I can tell, anyway).  running debian squeeze, kernel 2.6.30-2-amd64.  any of you run into this problem lately?  are there any acpi issues with 2.6.30?
01:08.18Maguiwhen I run "dmesg | grep brightness", I get:   [    0.757455] ACPI Error (video-0537): Current brightness invalid [20090320]
01:08.20jetscreamerone example: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551638
01:08.35themillhoo-hah: it's not needed. The numbers just set the order the files are read in
01:09.02hoo-hahso tmp-noexec would be sourced immediately?
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01:09.09hoo-hahie highest priority?
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01:09.39MorkBorkanyone know if lenny will ever get a kernel newer than 2.6.26 stable?
01:09.43fr3akjmarsden: yes obv i dont want 30 extra users on my system :)
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01:10.25jmarsdenfr3ak: Right; I needed them so I could test, I don't *have* 30 users on this system normally  :)
01:10.33en1gmaa"checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.4.0... no"  <<<<im running debian squeeze x86 and want to know what package i need to get that error stop
01:10.36hoo-hahthemill: apt.conf use seems easier to manage :/
01:10.49hoo-haheven with deactivating options
01:10.54hoo-hahthemill: thanks a bunch, anywho
01:11.03firespeakerI'm getting 404s for a couple iceweasel-related files with a freshly updated unstable
01:11.04Wyzarden1gmaa: libgtk2.0-dev
01:11.15en1gmaathanks
01:11.23firespeakerFailed to fetch http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/pool/main/x/xulrunner/libmozjs2d_1.9.1.5-2_amd64.deb  404  Not Found
01:11.33firespeakerFailed to fetch http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/pool/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1.5-2_amd64.deb  404  Not Found
01:12.18Wyzarden1gmaa: To compile a program against a library you need the headers for that library, and the general pattern for libraries in Debian is to put the headers in a separate package with a "-dev" suffix
01:12.22jetscreameranother example:  Disk devices may change on reboot
01:12.53jetscreamerhttp://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/
01:12.55jmarsdenfirespeaker: That mirror may not be up to date?  http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/pool/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9.1_1.9.1.5-1_amd64.deb  is there...
01:13.05themilljetscreamer: is there some point to this monologue?
01:13.21jetscreameryou did say ? didn't you
01:13.30jetscreamertherefore not mono?
01:14.02Maguigot another question:  how do I change the screen brightness from the command-line?
01:14.20hoo-hahjetscreamer: what 'breaks shit and blames something else'?
01:14.34themilljetscreamer: I have no idea how any of this is related to anything that I've been saying, so it's wasted on me. But feel free to talk to yourself in a /msg if that pleases you.
01:14.37jetscreamernot what, who
01:14.38jelly-homefr3ak: like http://pastebin.com/d65392c38 and also I think you should use su - ... instead of su ... here
01:14.46firespeakerjmarsden: I think it's a problem with the package listings; I can't find it on other mirrors
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01:15.49hoo-hahjetscreamer: my disk device nodes frequently change upon reboot. I've had to resort to using UUID.
01:16.05jetscreamerhoo-hah: yeah i had to learn that the hard way and on my own
01:16.12hoo-hahjetscreamer: ubuntu uses UUID by default in fstab, IIRC
01:16.24hoo-hahlikewise
01:16.42jetscreameroh and was called an idiot or something when i asked in here
01:16.43jelly-homeuuids make for very ugly fstabs and boot loader configs
01:16.44WyzardIIRC, a previous Debian release had something in the release notes about that, recommending using UUIDs or labels instead of device names
01:16.51nsadminwhich filesystems work with uuids?
01:16.56hoo-hahjelly-home: it can't be helped
01:17.02hoo-hahLABELS is too cumbersome
01:17.05jetscreamerntfs, jfs, swap... probably others
01:17.09hoo-hahwell, one extra step, but still
01:17.14jelly-homehoo-hah: cumbersome?
01:17.19nsadminswap?
01:17.22fr3akjmarsden: Nope the same thing happened only those two loaded, its obviosuly something else :)
01:17.24fr3akdamn
01:17.26jetscreameryeah swap
01:17.27hoo-hahjelly-home: unmounting if need be, and labelling
01:17.30themill*several* previous releases have suggested using UUIDs and the release notes have explicitly warned about this happening
01:17.32jelly-homensadmin: swap also has labels as well.
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01:17.46hoo-hahnsadmin: when making swap, as an option
01:17.48nsadminso it depends on what has labels?
01:18.02jelly-homeyeah
01:18.03jetscreamermy swap in fstab uses uuid
01:18.06MorkBorkthe program /lib/udev/vol_id will tell you everything you want to know about a filesystems label and uuid etc
01:18.15jmarsdenfr3ak: OK.  Pick one that didn't load, and run it by hand in a root shell... does it load that way?
01:18.28jetscreamerls -lA /dev/disk/by-uuid will tell you something also
01:18.29jelly-homeMorkBork: or /sbin/blkid
01:18.35jetscreamernot the swap though
01:19.02WyzardLUKS encrypted volumes have UUIDs too, btw
01:19.08nsadminmork from ork borks on a stork?
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01:19.30fr3akno it has theat ps problem
01:19.46jmarsdennsadmin: This is #debian, not #poetry ? :)
01:19.56_linuxftwHi all, my external hard drive just randomly started spinning up, how can I find out what it's doing?
01:19.58jelly-homeor #swedishchef
01:20.07nsadminyou call THAT poetry?! umm, thanks :)
01:20.19fr3akjmarsden: if i chmod the /dev/pts/0 i'm sure it will work for at least one more
01:20.44jelly-homefr3ak: you don't want to do that, some app is already using that device
01:20.53jmarsdenfr3ak: well... you shouldn't *have* to do that.
01:20.54hoo-hahrobot chicken: homocide
01:21.01jetscreamerlessee... it went from woody to sarge, right?
01:21.08jetscreameror was there one in between
01:21.32Wyzardjetscreamer: http://www.debian.org/releases/
01:21.41jelly-homefr3ak: ps -fe |grep pts/0
01:21.46fr3akjmarsden: yeah i agree
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01:22.00mueis misdn built into the debian kernel?
01:22.24fr3akjmarsden: sshd i.e. me is using it
01:22.28nsadminmue maybe as a module
01:22.47jetscreamerok so how would i find out who changed/what changed between woody and sarge, debian-developer / debian-policy / debian-qa  wise
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01:23.45muensadmin: does not build, i am trying to fix that
01:23.51mueat least not for 2.6.31
01:23.51Withoutmy apt-get seems cannot find the package i want.. may i know how to update it?
01:24.01Withoutit should be avaliable for my pacakage..
01:24.05jetscreamerapt-get update ?
01:24.30Withouti tried apt-get update.. my provider 0% it doesnt want run
01:24.47muensadmin: CONFIG_MISDN=m
01:24.51mueyes
01:24.54Maguihow do you change the screen brightness from the command line?
01:25.18amphiMagui: xbacklight (in X)
01:25.25jetscreamerWithout: try a different mirror in sources.list maybe, one you can ping with a nice speed?
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01:25.42Maguiamphi:  oh...never heard of that.  I'll give that a try, thanks.
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01:29.16firespeakerjmarsden: nevermind, it worked after I uninstalled iceweasel and started over from scratch.  I guess things just were updated wrong at one point
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01:30.59Maguiamphi:  I can't get it to run.  I just get the message "No outputs have backlight property".
01:31.50mercutio22I am using gnome and I have two volume applets on gnome-panel. One probably comes from pulseaudio. I wonder if I should remove one of them?
01:32.03abrotmantry it
01:32.17markybobmercutio22, you wonder?  do you wonder if you want two?
01:33.22fr3akjmarsden: if I cat /proc/sys/kernel/pty/max = 4096 so there is some other reason they aren't starting new ones and instead are trying to use the old ones
01:33.22mercutio22markybob: wanting may not be the only criterion. You see, if I remove one of them an I am never able to unmute the sound that would be worst then having two
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02:17.54bnijk_#acer
02:17.57amphiMagui: /sys/class/backlight doesn't exist there?
02:18.02bnijk_doesn't exist
02:18.10Maguiamphi:  let me look...
02:18.16bnijk_ok on boot
02:18.33bnijk_first i get    [24.925768] ACPI : PCI Interrupt 0000...blah blah
02:19.06Maguiamphi:  it exists, but that directory is empty
02:19.07bnijk_then  [90.19.........] [<c0940490d0?] memstick_power_on, memstick check, memstick_check, run_workqueue, _worker_thread
02:19.16bnijk_the things separated with commas are the same thing, on each line
02:19.24bnijk_i have no idea what to make of this
02:20.10amphiMagui: maybe your backlight ca n only be controlled via the bios
02:20.26abrotmanMagui: so try the other way ?
02:20.38abrotmanMagui: also, you may want to check for a BIOS update
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02:21.58Maguiamphi:  well, the way I used to change the backlight/brightness before was in kpowersave.  but now, kpowersave is saying that my hardware does not support changing the brightness.  this started happening two days ago, after I had to reboot.
02:22.31amphiMagui: it's not just that the acpi video module isn't loaded?
02:22.42abrotmanamphi: did you see his error message above ?
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02:22.58Maguiamphi:  well, I did find one particular error message in dmesg.
02:23.03Maguiwhen I run "dmesg | grep brightness", I get:   [    0.757455] ACPI Error (video-0537): Current brightness invalid [20090320]
02:23.26amphiabrotman: "No outputs have backlight property" ?
02:23.32bnijk_ok
02:23.33amphioh
02:23.47Maguibtw, this error looked a little weird to me.  like it's trying to use 20090320 as the value to set the brightness, when that value is obviously a date.
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02:24.05Maguibut maybe I'm misinterpreting it.
02:24.19abrotmanor it's the LUMENS .. OH MY EYES!!!
02:24.25amphiit looks like a date
02:24.27amphiheheh
02:24.40Maguiabrotman:  after another hour of using this laptop, that's what I'll be saying:).
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02:24.56Maguiso...
02:25.03Maguihow do I change this value?
02:25.04abrotmanMagui: no BIOS updates?
02:25.35MaguiI'm OK with resetting this manually until it's fixed in kernel or in acpi, or whatever.  but I can't change the brightness at all.
02:25.59Maguiabrotman:  you know, I've never even looked.  I suppose the hp website might have something about that?
02:26.03abrotmanyes
02:26.04Maguithis is an hp laptop.
02:26.20MaguiI'll go look.
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02:27.47mercutio22Yeah.. it looks like I have a dependency problem
02:27.59Maguibtw...
02:28.18Maguioh...
02:28.21Maguinever mind:).
02:28.34amphiMagui: maybe linux-laptop.net will have something
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02:28.53mercutio22aptitude install gnome-session
02:28.53mercutio22Reading package lists... Done
02:28.53mercutio22Building dependency tree
02:28.53mercutio22Reading state information... Done
02:28.53mercutio22Reading extended state information
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02:29.14mercutio22sorry
02:29.36mercutio22is this normal?
02:29.39Maguiamphi:  oh yeah...I'd forgotten about that site.
02:29.57mercutio22dang... I am tring to paste the pastebin address
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02:30.05mercutio22http://debian.pastebin.com/m5afa3f29
02:30.07mercutio22here
02:30.35mercutio22It seems I can't have gnome-session and gnome-power-manager coexist.
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05:42.53CutMeOwnThroatapart from some developer stuff, it seems to say
05:43.20CutMeOwnThroatgah, can't copy&paste
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05:44.34CutMeOwnThroat#To repeat the debconf configuration, use dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config.
05:44.42CutMeOwnThroatit also says The file "README.Debian" distributed with exim4 has a lot of useful information. Go read it.
05:45.11kc8pxyCutMeOwnThroat:  ALL:ALL in hosts.allow should fix that?
05:45.30CutMeOwnThroatguess so
05:45.40CutMeOwnThroat!wdyti kc8pxy
05:45.41dpkgWhy don't you just try it, kc8pxy?
05:46.00CutMeOwnThroatmight have to restart nfs and portmapper services, though
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05:49.52kc8pxyCutMeOwnThroat:  just did,and it still can't contact portmapper
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05:51.48kc8pxythis is totally weird.
05:52.55kc8pxyijust nmap'd the nfs server,  and only see ssh and dns listed..  that points to firewall to me, since a local rpcinfo comes back fine..  but my friewall has rules to let portmap and nfs through..   ideas?
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05:54.07simonrvnkc8pxy: try ports between 770 and 800, and port 2049
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05:57.39kc8pxysimonrvn:  nothing in that range :(
05:58.22simonrvnodd - try a wider scan
05:58.46simonrvnby default nfs stuff is on random ports. be better to use netstat
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06:05.18yakamoi just installed lenny 5 netinst, and im a noob, anywhere i can read up on the standard services running on a clean install, i want to remove as many as possible
06:05.25liablesimonrvn: where's that slack arse bot of yours?
06:06.49yakamoliable where are you from?
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06:07.12liable.au, why?
06:07.34yakamoive only heard scottish people saying arse instead of ass
06:07.43liableoh
06:07.54liablepretty common over here
06:07.55ootputaustralians too
06:08.04yakamoah kewl
06:08.22ootputbritish colonies in general, I believe
06:08.32yakamoyeah must be to do with that
06:08.43yakamodont really hear it anywhere else
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06:09.50ootputmost usually mutter it under one's breaths, anyway :)
06:10.11liablenot me!
06:10.54cretsiahass= donkey like animal, arse= bum, bottom etc
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06:11.42yakamo"nice ass"
06:11.58yakamoas in reference to you have beautiful donkey?
06:12.56yakamosuppose some of the women i have dated equate to something similiar
06:13.47simonrvnliable: elsewhere
06:14.21liablewhat, we not good enough for it anymore? :P
06:15.15simonrvnwasn't getting updated along with dpkg, and it's more needed elsewhere
06:15.53cretsiahlol yakamo
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07:38.12shivrajhey anyone know UBer
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08:00.25centHOGGnighty nite
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08:01.29hojdaWhat is the file name of package repository list  ?
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08:01.58ehnvishojda: you mean /etc/apt/sources.list?
08:02.16hojdaehnvis, Thats probably it :)
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08:05.47serehey i'm new here.
08:05.49seredoes anyone speaks spanish or is helping at the translation project?
08:06.12serei would like to help and i'm not really sure what to do
08:06.12sere:)
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08:09.05ehnvis!debian-es
08:09.06dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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08:12.54jetscreamerjust !ex works too
08:12.54jetscreamererr es
08:13.19seredpkg: i'm in debian-es, i'll ask there too. thank you very much
08:13.23dpkgwish i knew, sere
08:13.36sereehnvis: thank you, too
08:13.37sere:)
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08:30.18dpkg<aranjedeath> I would use unstable, but as I've heard debian unstable is actually unstable
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08:39.18liable!ops tyulohj wants a bannin'
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08:41.23mavhca well reasoned argument, let's all switch to bsd
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08:58.44linuxguy2009Anyone know whats involved in getting my Dell Mini 10v's BCM4312 wireless network adapter working in Debian 5?
08:59.31cahootIIRC there's two varint of that device - one works fine with b43 the other not
08:59.45linuxguy2009How do i know which I have?
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09:00.04cahoottry b43 + the appropriate firmware
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09:01.15cahoothttp://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#Supported_chip_types
09:01.17cahootb43 is in kernel already
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09:14.19jetscreameri think there's another way
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09:14.55jetscreamersurely you don't mean windows and gentoo can but debian can't :)
09:15.53omesjetscreamer: it is a known fact that since gentoo systems are made to compile all day they need to tweak their cpu fans at least to 133%
09:16.35jetscreamerneat trick
09:16.51jetscreameri prefer 40c vs 60c though
09:17.09reto`nice: lenny running on colinux with cygwin/X - now I don't need to use windows in windows even :)
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09:17.43reto`ah... and xmonad is working too
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09:18.23jetscreamerthx.... i think. i think i looked at that before and got confuzzled.... i'll look again though
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11:18.41dutchfishzub, its because only root can do that; install sudo add yourself to sudoers list; then issue sudo shutdown -h now would work
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11:19.17dutchfishzub, after all it kills all the other users processes
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11:19.41zubdutchfish: I'm talking of shutdown/reboot via GUI (gnome)... and if I press cancel in the root passwd prompt, the reboot/shutdown proceeds anyway
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11:19.58zubi.e. even without the password
11:20.13dutchfishzub, i dont think you run in gnome as root, so ...
11:20.17zubyet I'd think with policykit one should be able to configure it
11:20.30zubdutchfish: obviouslt I dont'... yet the shutdown proceeds
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11:20.57zubin the good old time gdm used to do the shutdown, just btw
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11:21.01dutchfishzub, you can add the shutdown as the only option in the sudoer slist also
11:21.04zubnow with policykit I don't know
11:21.24cambell_oanybody use virtualbox with debian lenny im getting errors when i try to install a VM --> Please install the virtualbox-ose-modules package for your kernel and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root.
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11:22.41dutchfishzub, dont know, but it seams unlikely thta policykit will have root rights
11:23.01dutchfishzub, at least for triggers send by a normal user
11:23.02zubok, this discussion is not productive, but thanks :)
11:23.09dutchfishzub, sorry
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11:23.27zubwell, I don't understand all those *kits, but...
11:23.48reto`cambell_o: lsmod | grep vboxdrv
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11:24.09reto`cambell_o: anything there?
11:24.09cambell_ook reto
11:24.31cambell_ono reto
11:24.47reto`cambell_o: then the module is not loaded and vbox needs it
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11:25.18dutchfishzub, PolicyKit is just an application-level toolkit for defining and handling the policy that allows unprivileged processes to speak to privileged processes. That dont hand root rights for system maintanance to the normal user.
11:25.34zubok, that sounds reasonable
11:25.43zubbut if I fire up polkit-gnome-authorization, I see there:
11:25.53dutchfishzub, but sudo an do just that
11:25.58dutchfishs/an/can
11:25.58reto`cambell_o: one sec
11:25.58zub(in freedesktop/hal/power-management)
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11:26.18cambell_oto install virtualbox i u just did .. apt-get install virtualbox-ose  <-- is that right
11:26.31cambell_ook reto
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11:26.55zubdutchfish: I see there Shutdown the system when multiple users are logged in ... and similar options and there rights for users etc...
11:27.08zeldthanks dutchfish
11:27.10zeld:)
11:27.12zeldit works
11:27.22zeldbut suspend on disk not work :) i do not know why
11:27.37dutchfishzeld, you have installe s2disk ?
11:27.42zelddutchfish: no
11:27.48zeldno
11:27.50zeldues
11:27.52zeldyes+
11:27.58zeldis intalled dutchfish s2disk
11:28.11dutchfishscratches head
11:28.32zeldehehe sorry :)
11:28.40dutchfishzeld, you have a stock kernel installed? or your own?
11:29.13reto`cambell_o: hmm... the modules should be installed with virtualbox-ose
11:29.14zelddutchfish: is mine
11:29.32reto`cambell_o: try 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root
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11:29.37dutchfishzeld, it might be that s2disk does not recognize your kernel
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11:29.51zeldi've compiled the latest kernel 2.6.32
11:29.55zeldprobably dutchfish  :)
11:29.57zeldthanks
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11:30.16dutchfishzeld, yw
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11:30.58dutchfishzub, i think policykit maybe needs more to do that; check suggests in that package
11:31.32zeldtry to restart with the old kernel
11:31.41reto`cambell_o: try apt-get install virtualbox-ose (don't hit yes/no, just see if the modules package is listed there)
11:31.52dutchfishzeld,  good luck
11:31.53cambell_ook
11:31.57zelddutchfish:  thanks :)
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11:33.55cambell_oreto can i pastebin output think some wrong with apt ?
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11:35.33reto`cambell_o: yeah, but first try apt-get update
11:36.07cambell_ook ..reto ive added a line for backports could that be a problem ?
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11:36.24reto`cambell_o: shouldn't
11:36.30cambell_ook ill update
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11:38.37cambell_oshall i try apt-get install virtualbox-ose again reto see what i get now ?
11:38.45reto`cambell_o: yup
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11:41.28cambell_ook ill pastebin my output ...i tried to install snort but had problems with it im getting errors about that problem
11:41.44cambell_ohttp://pastebin.com/m4b1b1659  <<,< thats the output reto
11:42.04cambell_ocant anythink about virtualbox at all
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11:43.22reto`cambell_o: try apt-get install wget
11:43.29cambell_ook
11:43.38reto`does it work?
11:43.50cambell_ono
11:43.56cambell_ois apt broken ?
11:44.15reto`looks like
11:44.38cambell_oanyway to solve or reinstall
11:45.00reto`can you pastebin the output for apt-get install wget?
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11:45.14zelddutchfish: :) well done
11:45.28cambell_ook  but looks similar to first paste
11:45.37nkuttlercambell_o: fix /var/lib/dpkg/info/snort-pqsql.postinst
11:45.38dutchfishzeld, :)
11:45.41zeldi've uninstalled uswsusp and now it works
11:46.00zeldwith the binary kernel and with my own kernel
11:46.05zeld\o/
11:46.07hojdaIt is true that debian package does not allow to install gparted 0.4.9 ?
11:46.18nkuttlercambell_o: actually, no, read the error and do what it suggests
11:46.35zeldgood lunch dutchfish :)
11:46.37zeldlater
11:46.39zeld:)
11:46.40cambell_owhere about to read error ?
11:46.49nkuttlercambell_o: you just _pasted_ it
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11:47.27cambell_ohttp://pastebin.com/m290b76df << thats my second
11:47.37cambell_ook nkuttler
11:48.14BlueParrotAm I in the right place ot ask regarding Debina/kFreeBSD or is that a separate channel ?
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11:48.38reto`cambell_o: read the /usr/share/doc/snort-{pgsql,mysql}/README-database.Debian
11:48.57BlueParrotcheers
11:49.00cambell_ook reto will do ty
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11:49.33nkuttlercambell_o: that's precisely what your error said. read the next line too.
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11:50.23reto`nkuttler: RTFM?
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11:51.17nkuttlerreto`: rather read the fine error you just pasted
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11:51.52reto`nkuttler: RTE?
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11:52.23reto`RTE!
11:52.30nkuttlerreto`: if you want to tell me something do so. if not, don't talk to me.
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11:52.59reto`nkuttler: ah come on... what's wrong?
11:53.06reto`nkuttler: no sense of humor?
11:53.33nkuttler*plonk*
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11:54.54Cronixhi all, i got massive problems regarding grub in debian lenny fresh netinstall
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11:55.05Cronixneither grub legacy nor grub2 is working
11:55.17Cronixgrub legacy tells me file not found
11:55.34Cronixgrub2 boots but then the boot process fails and it tells me that there is no init
11:56.14dutchfishCronix, do you have a separate boot partition by change?
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11:56.14Cronixbut when i boot using the supergrubdisk it boots perfectly into debian
11:56.22Cronixnope
11:56.29Cronixi have a scsi system drive
11:56.37Cronixand 2 1TB sata drives for files
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11:57.04dutchfishCronix, which of those conatains th eboot partition?
11:57.09Cronixscsi
11:57.17Cronixwhich is hd(2,0) in grub
11:57.22Cronixand /dev/sdc in debian
11:57.38dutchfishCronix, and the scsii drivers are contained in kernel or initrd?
11:57.41Cronixso it prioritises the sata drives
11:57.49Cronixthey are in initrd afaik
11:57.50dutchfishCronix, ah
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11:57.55Cronixits debian default kernel
11:58.01Cronixnothing changed
11:58.15Cronixjust did a clean install from a netinstall cd burned yesterday
11:58.21Cronixw/o gui
11:58.26Cronixonly base system installed
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11:59.06DarkSunhi all
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11:59.14dutchfishCronix, did you try to change the boot prio in BIOS?
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11:59.33dutchfishCronix, or SCSII controller?
11:59.35DarkSuni have a problem with irssi. it doesn't beep when the people hilight me. is there a problem on debian sid?
11:59.38Cronixthat isnt possible cause the scsi drive is attached to a dedicated scsi raid controller
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12:00.21dutchfishCronix, and the raid controller modules is in /etc/modules ?
12:00.23petemcDarkSun: did you configure it to do so?
12:00.29Jari--anyone knows if the Debian distribution has netconsole ?
12:00.40Cronixdutchfish: it booted before
12:00.54Cronixit just fails epically since weve added the second 1TB sata drive
12:01.03dutchfishCronix, yep, i got that
12:01.12DarkSunpetemc: yes. but if you want check the configuration, say me what I do
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12:01.42Cronix/etc/modules: not a directory
12:01.52CalJohnwhere can i find a "normal" lint in debian?  ie: not splint
12:03.29dutchfishCronix, not that it helps much but: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=276100
12:04.01dutchfishCronix, forget what i said about the file /etc/modules
12:04.54Cronixalright
12:05.02Cronixanyway just booted to rescue
12:05.12Cronixand did a update-grub
12:05.19DarkSunpetemc: I set: beep_msg_level = HILIGHT, beep_when_away = ON, beep_when_window_active = ON, bell_beeps = OFF
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12:05.27Cronixbut it still tells me file not found
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12:06.53dutchfishCronix, wich file?
12:07.46Cronix;p
12:07.46Cronixthats the point
12:07.46Cronixloves grub's error messages
12:07.46zubdutchfish: I was gone; thanks for effort, I'll investigate further
12:08.00dutchfishzub, np, let me know
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12:09.16Cronixok
12:09.24DarkSunany user help me about irssi's beep? thanks
12:09.28Cronixjust found out that the grub2 problem wasnt grub2's fault
12:09.31dutchfishCronix, if you point in the grub editor to the right partition what does it do then?
12:09.35Cronixjust fixed grub legacy
12:09.42Cronixgrub sucks
12:09.44dutchfishCronix, ah ok
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12:09.58Cronixat live system its hd(2,0)
12:10.04dutchfishCronix, well we will get grub2 in squeeze anyway, lots of improvements
12:10.07Cronixin grub i need to use hd(1,0)
12:10.23Cronixhm
12:10.33Cronixnow i got the same problem i got before using grub2
12:10.58Cronixdebian tells me: Target filesystem doesnt have /sbin/init
12:11.09Cronixand drops me to initramfs
12:11.24dutchfishCronix, there might be this catch; preinit might just overlook some partitions, thi smight bite you in future; but you know now the reason
12:11.28Cronixit gets some mount errors before
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12:12.17dutchfishCronix, is upstart missing?
12:12.31Cronixwtf is upstart?
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12:13.06lcrcalixtoalguem que fala portugues
12:13.14dutchfishCronix, or runit-run, or sysv it depends what you are using
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12:13.23Cronixas i said
12:13.39dutchfishCronix, most likely sysvinit: /sbin/init
12:13.40Cronixits default non customized dabian freshly installed without any additional packages so far
12:13.47dutchfishCronix, or it wont mount
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12:14.09dutchfishscratches head
12:14.16Cronixjeh same here
12:14.20Cronix;D
12:14.31Cronixkinda funny hm? *laughs*Ü
12:14.52dutchfishCronix, 2 more things: interupt overlays (check bios) and bios boot order
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12:15.11dutchfishCronix, specially for your raid controller
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12:15.16Cronixinterupt overlays on or off?
12:15.49dutchfishCronix, normally on; if that gives problems try disabling acpi in the kline and noapic too
12:15.52Cronixsysvinit is already the newest version
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12:16.00dutchfishCronix, ok
12:16.26dutchfishCronix, i have a hunch that this is all BIOS problems
12:16.37Cronixhm
12:16.41Cronixk lemme check
12:16.44dutchfishCronix, check if you have latest version of the BIOS
12:16.58dutchfishCronix, same for the raid card
12:17.07Cronixthe thing is that damn shitbox ran before with 1 scsi and 1 sata
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12:17.27dutchfishCronix, yep so the only thing that changed is the raid card
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12:17.55dutchfishCronix, OR the bios doe snot support this properly
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12:18.42Cronixno
12:18.48Cronixthe raid cards didnt changed
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12:18.56dutchfishok
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12:19.02Cronixweve added a additional sata to the onboard controller
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12:19.07Cronixthe scsi is external raid
12:19.16Cronixwith 1 scsi drive attached
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12:19.20Cronixwith debian installed onto
12:19.24Cronixand
12:19.27dutchfishCronix, and it boots fine without that sata disk disabled?
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12:19.37Cronixthis machine dosnt have an interrupot overlay setting in his bios
12:19.39dutchfishs/disabled/enabled
12:19.46Cronixit did
12:20.02Cronixthe thing is to try that now i have to change the whole grub config again
12:20.11Cronixcuz sata gets prioritised over scsi
12:20.14dutchfishCronix, it has pnp togle  support?
12:20.20Cronixwhich seems like epic fail for server
12:20.40valdynCronix: where would scsi get priority?
12:20.50valdynCronix: or sata?
12:21.14dutchfishCronix, i am sorry i cant help you btter, but first duoble chekc hardware (specially bios related)
12:21.36valdynCronix: since its configurable in the bios and since debian does not priorise anything there, im confused
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12:21.53Cronixvaldyn: sata gets priority over scsi systemwide
12:21.58Cronixin debian and grub afaik
12:22.03valdynCronix: no
12:22.09Cronixsure
12:22.13Cronixin debian its sdc
12:22.16valdynCronix: nonsense
12:22.22Cronixand the sata's are sda and sdb
12:22.28valdynCronix: we have had by-id for years
12:22.43Cronixso?
12:22.59Cronixhow should that help me with this problem?
12:23.16Cronixi get a boot fail telling me that there is no init
12:23.19valdynCronix: that means that you are picking the *only* naming scheme where devices are enumerated in detection order
12:23.45valdynCronix: but there is *several* nameing schemes
12:23.51Cronixdocu on that anywhere?
12:24.15valdynCronix: obviously i cannot really comment on your bios, mine is configurable.
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12:24.34Cronixur talkin about grub arent you?
12:24.45dutchfishvaldyn, would reference by UUID help in this case?
12:25.01valdynCronix: grub only knows what your bios knows
12:25.15valdynCronix: hd0 for grub is what you declared hd0 in your bios
12:25.30dutchfishvaldyn, true
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12:26.09valdynCronix: on top of that grub has some drivers, for dmraid, lvm etc. i dont know all of those, but all of those have *another* naming scheme that does not depend on device ordering done by bios or sdX
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12:26.23Cronixbut it boots with (hd1,0) and then has an error about missing init
12:26.40valdynCronix: whatever hd1 is is set in your bios
12:27.08dutchfishCronix, that might be caused by the the kernels own scheme after perinit phase
12:27.26dutchfishs/perinit/preinit
12:27.26valdynthe kernel doesnt know hd1 at all..
12:27.46Cronixkernel has root=/dev/sdc1 as option
12:28.03Cronixwhich is the root partition where / is mounted
12:28.08Cronix*mounted to /
12:28.10valdynCronix: you could have "root=UUID=<uuid>" iirc
12:28.33valdynCronix: I use only lvm for this so I cant guarantee the syntax
12:29.08Cronixish there wiki on that somewhere?
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12:29.11valdynCronix: or "root=LABEL=label", i guess
12:29.24valdynCronix: i would have to google
12:29.42Cronixhm alright
12:29.52Cronixafk 1 sec
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12:30.08dutchfishCronix, http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/lkn/lkn_pdf/ch09.pdf
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12:31.44Cronixre
12:31.49valdynCronix: im using lvm, grub2 knows lvm, so its just /dev/mapper/system-root for grub and in the root= and everywhere
12:31.52Cronixthanks i'll have alook
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12:32.16dutchfishvaldyn, thanks
12:32.24valdyn( but debian testing and higher broke grub2 )
12:32.38valdynor uh, probably not yet testing? id have to check
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12:32.51dutchfishvaldyn, testing has grub2 now
12:32.51Cronixhm
12:33.15jandrovaldyn: isn't broke either
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12:33.15valdynjudd: versions grub2
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12:33.16juddvaldyn: grub2 -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1.97~beta3-1 sid: 1.97+20091130-1 experimental: 1.97+experimental.20091127-1
12:33.24Cronixalright so best practice would be setup an lvm out of every single hdd and use the mapper with grub2 to get this damn thing booting
12:33.27Cronixright?
12:33.30valdyndutchfish: yea, but using gcc-4.4 to compile grub broke grub, im not sure testing does that yet
12:33.48dutchfishvaldyn, ah ... good to know
12:34.01valdyn( ubuntu has the patch applied already )
12:34.11dutchfishvaldyn, ok
12:34.59Cronixim sitting on this machine since yesterday with this grub problems *cry*
12:35.33dutchfishCronix, cherypick your hardware in future ;)
12:35.36Cronixcan i setup anlvm in rescue mode?
12:35.46Cronixi didnt picket it
12:35.49Cronix*picked
12:35.55dutchfishCronix, ok
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12:36.20CronixIBM hardware
12:36.24valdynjandro: the breakage means that the boot image ( file is core.img ) gets to big depending on features you use - doesnt have to be the case for you
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12:37.07Cronixto be exact its an IBM IntelliStation m Pro
12:37.15dutchfishCronix, or just build an elcheapo nas over iscsii with the sata disks like i did
12:37.24valdynCronix: migrating to lvm is harder than just using uuids or labels
12:37.30Cronixhm
12:37.52valdynCronix: uuids can trivially be looked up from a live cd and labels can be trivially looked up and set from a live cd too
12:37.56Cronixthan how do i find out the hdd's uid's and can uuid'S be userd with grub legacy or only withgrub2?
12:38.26Cronixsure valdyn, u know the command?
12:38.37valdynCronix: ls /dev/disk/by-uuid/
12:38.45Cronixalright great thanks
12:39.01valdynCronix: ls /dev/disk/by-label
12:39.46valdynCronix: and theres the program "e2label"
12:39.47Cronixonly by-id, by-path or by-uuid
12:39.50Cronixno by-label option
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12:40.09valdynCronix: you might not have any labeled partition
12:40.14Cronixalright
12:40.21valdynCronix: so use e2label to assign names of your choice
12:40.24Cronixhm the uuid think looks promising
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12:40.41Cronixso is it compatible with grub legacy or do i nee to install grub2?
12:40.46Cronix*need
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12:57.08valdynCronix: you dont need grub2
12:57.24Cronixfigured that out already
12:57.25valdynCronix: the uuid is only passed to the kernel, grub has nothing to do with it
12:57.28Cronixupdated to grub2 anyway
12:57.34Cronixit used uuid's out of the box
12:57.39Cronixand now everything booted
12:57.42Cronix*happy*
12:58.13Cronixso thanks for pointing me into the uuid direction :)
12:58.25valdynCronix: welcome
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13:05.55Rprp`Hi, i just made a USB 'install disk', but when i boot it i get the error message 'no kernel modules were found', can someone help me please?
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13:06.54dutchfish!tell Rprp`about usb install
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13:07.30dutchfishdpkg tell Rprp`about usb install
13:07.58dutchfish!usb install
13:07.58dpkgYes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB.  Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 .  To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>.  (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/).  BIOS can't boot from USB?  Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html
13:08.56Rprp`dutchfish: bios booted, debian loaded, mounted it etc. but the after mounting the iso it says 'no kernel modules found' :/
13:09.34dutchfishRprp`, that means that your hardware needs newer modules or kernel
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13:09.45abrotmanwhat?
13:10.00dutchfish!kmuto
13:10.00dpkgFor Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ .  The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm
13:10.44Rprp`Well, ill try that one then. thanks
13:12.21KnuckOneved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of  http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm
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13:15.00Rprp`dutchfish: still not working heh, when i go into the console and type 'unama -a' it says kernel 2.6.18, is that normal, or?
13:15.14abrotmanRprp`: why aren't you installing lenny?
13:15.42Rprp`abrotman: i am trying, but theres no cd rom drive in the server, so i have to do it with USB
13:16.00Rprp`abrotman:when debian boots up, it says 'no kernel modules were found', after it mounted the iso
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13:16.20abrotmanRprp`: dutchfish seems to think that's because it can't find the ISO or something like that .. i'm sure he'll help you more
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13:16.39dutchfishi try
13:16.40dutchfish:)
13:16.43Rprp`abrotman: Well, when i repeat the step of the iso it says 'ISO succesfull mounted'
13:16.55abrotmani made the same comment ...
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13:18.59dutchfishRprp`, just to clearify, it does start booting with the ISO image, and breaks on not finding ANY modules
13:20.06Rprp`dutchfish: Yes, that's right
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13:20.21dutchfishRprp`, so not even an installer menu?
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13:20.44Rprp`dutchfish: i can select a language, keyboard language etc, after that it mounts the ISO and breaks
13:20.51dutchfishRprp`, ok
13:21.02dutchfishRprp`, when using the kmuto one:
13:21.21dutchfishRprp`, choose expert (then use TAB instead of enter)
13:21.48dutchfishRprp`, and edit the kline by appending noacpi nolapic
13:21.55dutchfishRprp`, and try again
13:22.10purpleopticRprp`, have you tried something like unetbootin to make the usb stick?
13:22.26purpleoptichttp://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
13:22.27Rprp`purpleoptic: used this one: http://h0bbel.p0ggel.org/installing-debian-from-a-usb-stick
13:22.30Rprp`dutchfish: thanks, gonna try
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13:22.59abrotmanpurpleoptic: the official way should work juist fine
13:23.06jkdI'm looking for information to install multiple man pages (in several languajes) when creating a deb package. Is there any reference about it?
13:23.21purpleopticah ok no worries
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13:29.22guillaumehello, I can't use any apps needing to authenticate as root (system setup for example like user and group management or network config)on my debian, how can I solve this ?
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13:30.07dutchfishguillaume, wich debian version are you using?
13:30.22guillaumedutchfish, squeeze
13:31.10reto`guillaume: su or sudo?
13:31.15dutchfishguillaume, on the console can you become root by: su - (and provide a password for root)?
13:31.17guillaumedutchfish, the action displayed is : org.freedesktop.systemtoolsbackends.set
13:31.33guillaumedutchfish, yes
13:32.22dutchfishguillaume, then you should be able to add a user, isnt it?
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13:32.27guillaumedutchfish, I'm under gnome session
13:32.40guillaumedutchfish, I think
13:32.58dutchfishguillaume, just open up xterm or the like session in gnome
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13:35.51guillaumedutchfish, ok I 'll add another user and try to reopen user and group management
13:37.35reto`guillaume: does user and group management not work then?
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13:39.42guillaumereto`, I have to close my gnome session and reopen it under the new session to try... bbs
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13:55.19abrotmanRprp`: any luck?
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13:55.49Rprp`abrotman: the kmuto installer hangs for some reason, and writing with DD t akes about 30 mins, so, meh.. gonna try again with another image
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13:56.43abrotmanmaybe dutchfish has another idea ?
13:57.25dutchfishRprp`, try with acpi=off, noapic, nolapic (btw do you have a ICH9 system?)
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14:01.05Rprp`dutchfish: tried, hangs @ 'INFO: kbd-mode: setting console mode to Unicode (UTF-8)
14:01.40dutchfishRprp`, ok, that can be solved with the proper vga settings
14:01.56dutchfishRprp`, its on one of the kmuto's pages
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14:02.10dutchfishRprp`, i forgot the right syntax
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14:03.10dutchfishRprp`, if i rem right something like vga=791
14:03.32Rprp`dutchfish: Yes, its that, just found it @ kmuto page, gonna give it a go :)
14:03.38dutchfishRprp`, ;)
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14:05.01Rprp`dutchfish: thanks, kmuto images seem to work :)!
14:05.09dutchfishRprp`, cheers
14:05.34WormFood(handbrake-gtk:17272): Gtk-WARNING **: Failed to set property GtkToolbar.icon-size to GTK_ICON_SIZE_DND: Could not parse integer `GTK_ICON_SIZE_DND' <-- why the fuck is it, that every time I go to use handbrake it is fuckin' broken? I've been able to use it twice, every other time it has been busted
14:05.56dutchfishWormFood, language plz
14:06.26WormFooddutchfish, 什么？
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14:07.22mbruinshello, is there a gameboy emulator in de debian packages? i would like to play super mario land one more time :P
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14:10.17GambaroniI just installed debian, and when it comes to initrd on boot it just reboots. What could be the problem?
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14:13.11balaumbruins, visualboyadvance should be available
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14:13.51mbruinsbalau: wil it emulate the old game boy games?
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14:14.51balaumbruins, I used it with oldest pokemon games. I don't know if Super Mario Land works but I suppose it's worth a try
14:15.02nkuttlermbruins: just apt-cache search gameboy. afaik there are various
14:15.54mbruinsnkuttler:
14:15.55mbruinskaas@debian:~$ aptitude search gameboy
14:15.55mbruinskaas@debian:~$
14:15.59dvsgo to #nintendo ;-)
14:16.06mbruinslame ;P
14:16.08mbruinsty balau
14:16.24nkuttlermbruins: i don't use apitude
14:16.33AimHereapt-cache search gameboy then
14:16.45AimHereActually aptitude search gameboy didn't work for me for some reason
14:17.20nkuttleri'd guess it only searches packages names. fail.
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14:19.16billym13http://lamia-xxx.blogspot.com/ THE BEST MUSIC BLOG
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14:19.21billym13http://lamia-xxx.blogspot.com/ THE BEST MUSIC BLOG
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14:24.02nkuttleryeah
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14:26.01GambaroniI just installed debian, and when it comes to initrd on boot it just reboots. What could be the problem?
14:26.03d1bGambaroni: odd.
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14:26.03d1bany errors printed ?
14:26.03Gambaronid1b not what I can see. it just reboots
14:26.03d1bodd.
14:26.04Gambaronid1b would you recommend to try installing again?
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14:26.17Gambaronid1b hm. when running the installer I see failed to allocate memory resource.. but it just continues?
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14:26.57lautrivGambaroni, what machine ?
14:27.02d1bGambaroni: run memtest.
14:27.10Gambaroniintel pentium 4
14:27.13d1band check you have the ram in properly.
14:27.23Gambaronid1b could I do that from network boot?
14:28.05nima__dpkg eclipse
14:28.05dpkgi guess eclipse is the end of the world, or an extensible IDE written in Java, packaged for Debian.  http://wiki.eclipse.org/IRC_FAQ   http://www.eclipse.org/  #eclipse on irc.freenode.net.
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14:33.19Gambaronilautriv intel pentium 4 :P
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14:34.40d1bGambaroni: are you network booting
14:34.50d1bnsadmin: :P
14:35.44Gambaronid1b yes
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14:36.01d1bGambaroni: i think you can
14:36.07d1bdon't you have usb /cdrom?
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14:37.04Gambaronid1b yes, but no cd to burn
14:37.19Gambaronid1b don't think it's possible to boot from usb ..
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14:37.57thebigdirtyemuIs there a version of diff that is able to compare audio files?
14:38.17d1bthebigdirtyemu: in what respect ?
14:38.47d1bthere is /are binary diff programs. but if you want audio you should look if one exists.
14:38.51thebigdirtyemuWell, I have two folders full of flac files on two different HDDs, there's about a 60% overlap between them. I want to see where that overlap is so I can merge them
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14:39.07AimHereWell if you jusdt want to see if files are different, diff will tell you
14:39.08d1bthebigdirtyemu: if you take the sha1sum of the files you can test / see
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14:40.27AimHereWon't diff be faster and more accurate than some hash sum algo?
14:40.33thebigdirtyemud1b: so just do that for both folders, compare and move?
14:40.55Gambaronid1b could an etch cd run memtest?
14:41.01d1bGambaroni: i think so
14:41.06Gambaronid1b how? :)
14:41.16thebigdirtyemuwould it maybe be easier to do this in python>
14:41.17thebigdirtyemu*?
14:41.18d1bAimHere: yes for audio files. but not more accurate..... i think you mean more flexible etc.
14:41.21d1bthebigdirtyemu: one sec :P
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14:41.53AimHeredlb: WIth sha1sum, there's a risk of hash collisions. Wouldn't diff do a bytewise compare?
14:41.55d1bhttp://pastebin.com/m7d0cacf6
14:42.12nkuttlerthebigdirtyemu: well, do the files have the same filename if they have the same content?
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14:43.10thebigdirtyemuthey are identical copies
14:43.17nkuttleri guess i'd just cp --update into one of the dirs
14:43.42d1bAimHere: 2^ some number yes.
14:43.42d1bif you don't think sha1 is enough replace sha1 with sha256 or something.
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14:44.32d1bGambaroni: if there is an option on the cd then yes.
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14:44.51thebigdirtyemunkuttler: Hadn't though of that
14:44.57Gambaronid1b booted in rescue mode :P
14:45.11nkuttlerGambaroni: if not, i always have a copy of ultimate boot cd around
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14:45.32d1bnkuttler: i think he could also pxe memtest :P
14:45.41d1bnkuttler: i personally use finnix :P
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14:46.16Gambaronid1b when booted in rescue mode.. how do I run memtest? :D
14:46.20nkuttlerwell, ubcd comes with some not so free vendor tools afaik, hd stuff etc
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14:46.33nkuttlerGambaroni: you don't boot when you want a memtest
14:46.48Gambaroninkuttler how do I do?
14:46.50nkuttleryou boot into the memtest
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14:47.02Gambaroniand that do I do how? :P
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14:47.22dutchfishGambaroni, you have to install it first
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14:47.59d1bhttp://hoston.it/blog/2009/03/16/memtest-over-network/
14:48.01nkuttleractually, if your system is bootable just install it, point grub to it and boot it
14:48.10d1bnkuttler: he could chroot no ?
14:48.16nkuttlerto do what?
14:48.17ma3xhow can you run 64 bit apps on 32 bit linux? it says cannot execute binary file
14:48.18d1band then install memtest86.
14:48.27Gambaroninkuttler I can boot it in rescue mode via cd :)
14:48.29d1bma3x: don't!
14:48.31nkuttlerDbug: yeah, i guess
14:48.43nkuttlerd1b: ^^
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14:49.27Gambaroniso.. how do I point grub to it? would it be in the list auto?
14:49.54d1bGambaroni: boot to the rescue cd, select drop into a chroot environment on the disk.
14:50.15d1bthen apt-get install memtest86  &&update-grub
14:50.22d1bthen reboot and select memtest86 from the menu.
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14:51.29Gambaronino memtest there :P
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14:51.44dutchfishmemtest86+
14:51.48dutchfish?
14:51.55GambaroniI did
14:52.01Gambaroniapt-get install memtest86
14:52.07Gambaroniupdate-grub
14:52.22d1bmemtest86 and memtest86+ exist in lenny.
14:52.33d1bjudd: versions memtest86
14:52.33juddd1b: memtest86 -- etch: 3.2-1.1 lenny: 3.4-2 sid: 3.5-2 squeeze: 3.5-2
14:52.35d1bjudd: versions memtest86+
14:52.36juddd1b: memtest86+ -- etch: 1.65-1 lenny: 2.01-1.1 lenny-backports: 2.11-3~bpo50+1 sid: 4.00-2 squeeze: 4.00-2
14:52.53d1bodd.
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14:53.23d1bGambaroni: oh you want memtest86+ btw...
14:53.26Gambaroniso I need memtest86+ also? :D
14:53.36dutchfishGambaroni, one of those is ok
14:53.39d1bapparently memtest86+ has some patches and things.
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14:54.11GambaroniI'll try again
14:54.25d1byeah remove the other one. (memtest86)
14:54.27d1bprobably.
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14:55.55Gambaronid1b seems like something hasn't been mounted.
14:56.16GambaroniI get failed to open package info file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading.
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14:59.51thebigdirtyemudoes anyone know if there is an alternative to cp --update on os x
14:59.52thebigdirtyemu?
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15:00.15nkuttlerthebigdirtyemu: #macosx
15:00.19d1b!osx
15:00.19dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, osx is a nice mum-and-dad-grade unix
15:00.56nkuttlerthebigdirtyemu: os x is bsd and if you run os x you're totally off-topic and wrong in this channel...
15:01.08d1bnkuttler: hardly.
15:01.18nkuttlerd1b: care to explain?
15:01.26thebigdirtyemuIt's ok, I'm here about a debian server of mine
15:01.30AimHereThe alternative to cp --update on OSX is to uninstall your OS and run cp --update on debian
15:01.32d1bdebian now has a freebsd kernel based release / squeeze will be the first stable release.
15:01.32thebigdirtyemujust wondered if anyone knew, thats all
15:01.41d1b!kfreebsd
15:01.41dpkgDebian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set.  It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures.  http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/  http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/  http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD  #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.
15:01.45nkuttlerd1b: cp is userland. thanks for trying
15:02.09d1bnkuttler: bsd vs gnu userland :P
15:02.20d1b*grumbles* solaris ....
15:03.00AimHereOne of these days someone will ask for Windows help on #debian
15:03.21nkuttlerheh, it's cygwin! i can ask heeere!
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15:04.20Gambaronid1b cannot I add memtest86 manually to grub?
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15:05.35d1bGambaroni: perhaps.
15:05.47d1bGambaroni: why isn't it working by apt-get ?
15:05.48d1betc.
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15:06.14Gambaronid1b no idea
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15:07.09d1berh as in what was the error?
15:07.27d1byou can manually extract the files from the .deb i guess.
15:07.33d1band then edit grub at boot time.
15:07.44d1bbut .... apt-get would be easier.
15:07.49GambaroniCan not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mouted?)
15:07.55d1bthat's not a problem.
15:08.03karl_khi, i have a problem with a usb-to-ethernet adapter, it gets detected on boot, but does not work, however when i replug it it gets properly initialized and works
15:08.13xNinjaany scripting freelancer ?
15:08.21Gambaronidpkg: failed to open package info file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' for reading: Sale NFS file handle
15:08.21dpkgGambaroni: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
15:08.33d1bGambaroni: ignore it .
15:08.40d1bwait...
15:08.51d1bperhaps you have disk corruption ?
15:08.58d1bperhaps try to reinstall...
15:09.08d1bxNinja: try in #bash ?
15:09.34xNinjad1b still didn`t find one...
15:09.45nkuttlerGambaroni: stale? why do you have /var on nfs anyway?
15:10.05d1bxNinja: not in #bash ?
15:10.17nkuttlerxNinja: rentacoder.com etc
15:10.17xNinjad1b i did ask there but didn`t find any
15:10.25abrotmanxNinja: so be patient
15:10.26karl_kis it possible that it gets initialized too early ? i notice that it is called "new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3" on replug
15:10.41xNinjaits a small script maybe someone can help
15:10.54Gambaroninkuttler I don't :)
15:10.56d1bxNinja: ask in #bash for help.
15:11.20karl_kit also seems to change the usb-ids ...
15:11.39d1bkarl_k: ok that is odd
15:11.50d1bare you sure ?
15:11.58karl_kreplug: idVendor=07a6, idProduct=8515
15:12.07d1band prior to that.
15:12.15karl_k<PROTECTED>
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15:12.50karl_kbefore that (lsusb) Bus 001 Device 002: ID 9463:fcfb
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15:13.18karl_kit seems to get a randomish id on boot, and the correct one on replug
15:13.19dutchfishkarl_k, you might get away with blacklisting the one on boot
15:13.32d1bdutchfish: he can't blacklist random :P
15:13.38karl_kyep
15:13.53dutchfishkarl_k, and make a static udev rule for the correct one
15:13.57karl_kits on a nslu2 with debian,
15:14.18d1bkarl_k: what kernel?
15:14.29karl_kslug 2.6.26-2-ixp4xx
15:14.55karl_ki tried to reproduce it on my macbook, but here it works
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15:15.11d1bmmm. does that occur on a normal x86 boxen?
15:15.12d1bkarl_k: running debian?
15:15.12harkkarl_k: look into usb-modeswitch as well
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15:15.24karl_kyep debian on macbook
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15:18.11karl_khmm the manufacturer id is changing, however, the syslog recognizes it as ADMtek in both cases
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15:18.56karl_kwhats the preferred pastebin ?
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15:19.05d1bpastebin.com :P
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15:20.40karl_khttp://pastebin.com/m4bd53ed2
15:20.45karl_kvery weird...
15:20.47dec3pti0nsorry
15:21.36Gambaronid1b trying to reinstall now :)
15:22.34karl_kany ideas ?
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15:25.00dutchfishkarl_k, it looks like your module isnt in initrd
15:25.09Gambaronid1b no, still rebooting
15:26.18d1bdutchfish: it still should be loaded later no ?
15:26.31d1bGambaroni: not sure. it seems a bit weird tho.
15:26.42d1bi suspect memory issues. but i could be wrong...
15:26.45karl_kcould be, what can I do ?
15:26.50d1bGambaroni: what happens if you install debian etch?
15:26.57Gambaronid1b I could try
15:26.58karl_kmemory is an issue, its only got 32 MB RAM
15:27.17d1bkarl_k: ouch.
15:27.17GambaroniJust going to try to install in rescue mode again
15:27.45karl_kwhat could I do ?
15:27.46dutchfishd1b, not sure either, but injecting the proper module into the initrd, wont hurt to try
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15:28.04karl_kwell, when i try to load the module later, insmod pegasus, this does not help.
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15:28.30d1bkarl_k: perhaps try compiling it into the kernel.
15:28.35d1band not as a module.
15:28.38dutchfishd1b, good idee
15:28.56Gambaronid1b seems like the hdd is bad.. 3800 ata errors says smartctl :P
15:29.12d1bGambaroni: for which particular thing...
15:29.13harkkarl_k: did you see my suggestion before? it looks like a flip-flop device
15:29.41Gambaronid1b?
15:29.45karl_khmm, but when it is a problem with loading the module on boot why would loading the module manually later not help ?
15:29.56d1bGambaroni: for smart...
15:29.58karl_ki'll look into the flip-flop thing, how would i test if it is ?
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15:30.51Gambaronid1b don't know exactly what you mean.. :P running memtest now :)
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15:31.54harkkarl_k: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/
15:32.19hark!tell karl_k -about usb_modeswitch
15:32.44MoonTigerwould this be the place to ask about libcairo patches for cleartype on lcd screens?
15:32.48harkafk
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15:34.22d1bhark: i doubt that is it .
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15:34.44d1bkarl_k: however, on the page they do have a neat solution, if it works.
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15:34.58iHatedoes anyone know where i can grab a ruby 1.8.6 debian package? i'm on etch right now and have 1.8.5
15:35.01karl_kyes, i have already found the page, but is there a easy way to find out if this device is one ?
15:35.12karl_kguess i could just plug it into windows ?
15:35.26d1bkarl_k: i was actually meaning the power /suspend ofthe device.
15:35.49d1byou could suspend the usb device i think then wake it up, in a custom init script
15:36.10karl_ki have already tried usb_reset
15:36.15karl_kthat did not help
15:36.46d1bk.
15:36.56karl_kusbreset from there: http://marc.info/?l=linux-usb-users&m=116827193506484&w=2
15:38.17karl_kmanually loading pegasus driver does not help => its most probably not a module issue ? correct ?
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15:40.14karl_kand why would the mode-switch not be a problem on replug ?
15:41.28superlinuxhi. can openoffice 3.1.1 run on debian latest stable?
15:41.33superlinuxhi. can openoffice 3.1.1 run on debian latest stable?
15:41.35karl_kyes
15:41.47karl_kit works fine, just install from backports.org !
15:41.55superlinuxok
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15:42.54superlinuxwhat if i downloaded the packages of OOffice from the openoffice.org, will it work too?
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15:43.52superlinuxkarl_k, have you ever tried that way?
15:43.53MASARUwotasuperlinux: maybe. but i suggest getting the backports version
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15:44.07themillsuperlinux: just use the version from backports.org
15:44.16Gambaronid1b how many % pass do tit run?
15:44.19Gambaroniit*
15:44.22Gambaroni(memtest)
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15:46.56d1bGambaroni: 4ish
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15:47.28Gambaronid1b it says pass complete, no errors, press Esc to exit, but it still runs.. Why? :P
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15:47.49d1bit runs for ever iirc :P
15:47.52ehnvisGambaroni: it loops over and over again. you have to tell it to stop
15:48.03GambaroniAhh
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15:48.35Gambaronid1b could be the hdd then?
15:48.35ehnvisusually you should let memtest run atleast 3 loops as one loop isnt enough
15:48.53Gambaroniok
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15:49.18ehnvisi do tend to let it loop during the night thou as that gives an even better result but thats just me i guess.
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15:49.25superlinuxok
15:49.25superlinuxcos it's cheaper for me to download the openoffice.org way cos of the way things are connected around here.
15:49.28superlinuxanyway that's not of your business
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15:49.32superlinuxthanks
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15:50.15digilinkgood morning, I'm having a problem with locale, I believe it's not set correctly. I get this output whenever I install something via apt (for example): http://pastebin.com/m1cb5c5bc
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15:51.14Wyzarddigilink: dpkg-reconfigure locales
15:51.35digilinkwyzard I got that far, but wasnt sure what options to select?
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15:52.11TrueDDHowdy
15:52.20Wyzarddigilink: Pick the language you'd prefer to use, in a UTF-8 locale unless you have a specific reason not to
15:52.28Wyzarddigilink: e.g. en_US.UTF-8
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15:53.32digilinkwyzard: tnx believe that got it :)
15:54.00Gambaronid1b I get like this output: http://pastebin.com/m345d35b4. Time to throw that hdd to ...? :P
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15:58.15d1bGambaroni: don't know. smart data often is very useful.
15:58.35d1bit doesn't look that bad.
15:58.56darrh00I found that there were spams (Reply email) in bug reports like #414178,but the bug reports themselves are not spams,can I report spam using the report spam link at the bottom of the bug report?
15:59.15Gambaronid1b ok, isn't this pretty bad: ATA Error Count: 2652?
15:59.21d1bdarrh00: probably :P
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15:59.58pirulonehello
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16:00.06pirulone!list
16:00.07dpkgpirulone: VATTENE VIA
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16:01.05Gambaronid1b otherwise, why doesn't my system start? :D
16:01.23WyzardGambaroni: I think "ATA errors" refer to problems in communication between the drive and the controller it's connected to
16:01.33d1bGambaroni: no idea :P
16:01.39d1bmagic ?
16:01.41WyzardGambaroni: which could be cause by a bad cable, for example
16:01.49darrh00d1b: after I clicked  the link ,it says: Yes, report bug 414178 as spam, I hesitated coz the bug report itself is not a spam.
16:01.50GambaroniWyzard Oh, I see
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16:02.18GambaroniWyzard someone told me that only was hardware errors and you would not rely on that hdd
16:02.23d1bdarrh00: isn't there a link to report if it contains spam?
16:02.31Gambaronid1b crap :(
16:03.08d1bGambaroni: however, do remove quiet from the boot line
16:03.16d1bon grub and see if there is a kernel message.
16:03.17WyzardGambaroni: Problems in actually accessing data on the disk surface would be logged as "media errors" IIRC
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16:03.56Gambaronid1b how do I do that? boot in resuce?
16:05.31Gambaronid1b someone writes out, but it reboots even before I has a chance to see it
16:05.31WyzardGambaroni: The drive's overall self-assessment says PASSED, and the table of SMART attributes doesn't contain anything particularly troublesome-looking, so it looks to me like the disk itself is OK
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16:06.30GambaroniWyzard how about if the hdd sometimes sounds pretty bad? :P
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16:06.40WyzardGambaroni: You mean weird noises?
16:06.58GambaroniWyzard correct
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16:08.18GambaroniWyzard because that log is from the hdd that sounds weird sometimes and in friday I wasn't able to boot the computer due to bad blocks :P
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16:08.44GambaroniWyzard and the log for this computer that doesn't boot debian is the same, but sounds good and windows runs fine on it now
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16:09.09WyzardGambaroni: Take a look at line 56 in your paste, the Reallocated_Sector_Ct attribute
16:09.36Gambaroniyes?
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16:09.59WyzardGambaroni: That's the number of bad sectors the drive has found and remapped
16:10.21WyzardGambaroni: The RAW_VALUE column tells you the number of actual sectors, and 16 is not really problematic
16:10.37GambaroniI see
16:10.56WyzardGambaroni: Notice that the threshold is 140 -- drives have "spare sectors" for remapping defective sectors, so a few of them isn't a big deal
16:11.11GambaroniWyzard so even if it sounds weird sometimes that wouldn't matter?
16:11.36WyzardGambaroni: When you say that the system doesn't boot due to bad blocks, do you mean that you did a badblocks scan on it and it reported lots of errors?
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16:12.05GambaroniWyzard no, it didn't start, I was cast into read-only mode and had to run fsck to fix it
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16:12.41WyzardGambaroni: OK, so you got read errors and assumed it was due to bad blocks
16:13.17GambaroniWyzard it said something about bad blocks and bad nodes
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16:15.48WyzardGambaroni: Sounds like fsck was unable to read some parts of the drive while doing its check, but remember that fsck can't tell the difference between an actual bad sector on the disk surface, and a communication error between the controller and the drive
16:15.58GambaroniWyzard Oh, ok
16:16.01WyzardGambaroni: All it knows its that it asked for some data and got an error back
16:16.29WyzardGambaroni: I'd replace that drive's cable with a known-good one and see how it works then
16:16.44heoa8
16:17.14karl_kok, i'll try the mode-switch thing, its my router, so i will go offline, thanks for the help anyway, cheers !
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16:17.24GambaroniWyzard now it works fine it looks like, it's just that it sounds pretty weird that makes me a bit confused. Anyone to this computer that doesn't boot debian at all.. Reallocated_Sector_Ct raw_value is 0
16:17.58d1bWyzard: if the drive is making sounds it might be b0rked.
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16:18.39Wyzardd1b: It's a possibility, but the SMART info that he pasted didn't show anything that looked like physical problems
16:18.55d1bWyzard: smart isnt often very useful :P
16:19.08d1boften isn't *
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16:19.43GambaroniI'm just confused that several times it made the server unreachable and after reboot (sometimes it boots correct, sometimes it doesn't) it works again for maybe a week or so
16:19.49Gambaronithen it dies again :P
16:19.53Wyzardd1b: No seek errors, for example, which I'd expect to see in a drive having mechanical problems
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16:20.25d1bWyzard: yes i know
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16:24.26GambaroniWyzard anyhow. to that hdd that doesn't boot debian correct. any idea? :)
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16:25.20WyzardGambaroni: That's a different one than the one you posted the SMART info for, right?
16:26.10GambaroniWyzard yes, but the SMART info looks pretty like that, it got 3800 ATA errors, 0 seek_error, 0 reallocated_sector
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16:26.57GambaroniInstead of this: 01 00 34 00 00 08 00 00   6d+23:48:37.504  [RESERVED] it is: 01 00 34 00 00 08 00 00   6d+23:48:37.504  NOP (or IDENTIFY DEVICE)
16:27.04Gambaronior read multiple
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16:27.35Gambaroniand the line just a bit above like this: 00 50 08 00 dd 00 f0 it is: 00 50 08 00 dd 00 f0 Error: ABRT
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16:29.15WyzardIf there are no bad sectors or seek errors then it doesn't sound like physical problems, but a bad cable on two different drives around the same time seems unlikely
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16:29.55WyzardI'd check to make sure the drive isn't overheating
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16:30.06GambaroniWyzard but this isn't the same machine
16:30.07Wyzardand run a full self-test on it (smartctl -t long)
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16:30.58sfnightfireI understand this channel isnt for Debian Sid, but could someone help me with a problem im having with Grub 2?
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16:32.17GambaroniWyzard can I see current running tests?
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16:33.25WyzardGambaroni: Don't think so -- it's a completely internal procedure done by the drive's firmware, so the rest of the system doesn't know anything about its status while it's running
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16:33.58GambaroniWyzard I see
16:34.00WyzardGambaroni: When you start the test, it'll give you an estimated time of completion, but that's based on the assumption that nothing else is accessing the drive
16:34.17GambaroniWyzard I see
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16:34.33WyzardGambaroni: If there's other disk activity, the test can take longer, potentially much longer, because the drive has to pause the test process to service I/O requests
16:34.40GambaroniWyzard it said 21 minutes, so I check after that
16:35.12WyzardGambaroni: Yes, wait until it says it'll be done and then run "smartctl -l selftest" to see the results
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16:35.30WyzardGambaroni: If the test is still running then the selftest info will say so, so wait awhile longer and try again
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16:35.58GambaroniWyzard it says 0 tests :P
16:36.20WyzardWhat does, "smartctl -l selftest"?
16:36.33WyzardThat should at least show one test in progress
16:36.33Gambaroniyes
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16:37.13Wyzardbut maybe that's a vendor-specific thing and your drive doesn't report on tests that haven't finished; I don't know
16:37.15Gambaroniactually it doesn't :D
16:37.33GambaroniWe'll see
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16:42.57sanderWhen I do: apt-get source libapache-mod-log-sql (in lenny).. it says dpkg-source: info: applying libapache-mod-log-sql_1.100-14.diff.gz.. but I cant see that the patch is applied
16:43.40sanderAnyone know why?
16:44.05abrotmandid you compare it to the original source ?
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16:46.27sanderabrotman, libapache-mod-log-sql-1.100/contrib/create_tables.sql should be updated with a score_board table.. but its not there.
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16:46.31DynamicPinkWhich log files would be the best to check for start-up problems? My Squeeze install goes to a black screen before the GDM prompt comes up 60% of the time.
16:46.36Posterdatihi
16:46.56abrotmanDynamicPink: sounds like an X issue?
16:47.00Posterdatiplease mi last update of squeeze fucked-up my kde installation (libxklavier 4.0)
16:47.07Posterdatiplease help
16:47.14DynamicPinkXorg.log then abrotman?
16:47.20abrotman/var/log/Xorg.0.log
16:47.40DynamicPinkI will check that out. Thank you.
16:47.58sanderabrotman, I just saw in the pach file.. which patches should be applied.. searching for score seems like alot of features is left out
16:48.31xandis there a program on the netinstall CD like fdisk that'll show me partition info?
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16:50.07DynamicPinkxand, I think you have to get part way into the install and then Ctrl-F2 to another terminal.
16:50.24xandI've got into another terminal but it doesn't have fdisk
16:50.49DynamicPinkhow about cfdisk?
16:50.51xandtrying to mount a partition but it's saying no such file or directory... which is nonsense as both /dev/sda2 and /mnt/whatever exist
16:50.54xandnot that either
16:51.27sanderabrotman, I guess I've missunderstood it.. seems like all the patches is in a directory named libapache-mod-log-sql-1.100/debian/patches
16:51.43sanderabrotman, do you know how to get those patches applied to the source code?
16:51.45xand(trying to fix grub after windows removed it)
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16:51.55DynamicPinkYour paths are not set up yet. You may need to navigate to /bin or /sbin to get to the utilities.
16:51.59abrotmansander: build the package ?
16:52.12sanderabrotman, how?
16:52.15xandmy paths are correct
16:52.25abrotmandebuild -uc -us
16:52.33Posterdaticould anyone help me with my kde problem on squezee (libxklavier 4.0)? Tx
16:52.37xandit is mount giving the error, not the shell
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16:53.19DynamicPinkwhat mount command are you using? e.g. mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1
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16:53.26abrotmanPosterdati: the kde metapackages in testing are having issues because of the gnome transition
16:53.40GambaroniWyzard completed without error!
16:53.42xandmount -t ext3 /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda2
16:54.10DynamicPinksda2 is a hard drive or a usb key?
16:54.27xandsorry the error is No such device. it's a harddisk partition.
16:54.32xandthe / of my debian install
16:54.51WyzardGambaroni: Together with the lack of bad sectors or seek errors, it sounds like the drive is physically OK
16:54.55xandbut it does exist, ls can see it fine!
16:54.57DynamicPinktry removing the 2 and just do /dev/sda?
16:55.07xandno, that wouldn't work.
16:55.08GambaroniWyzard then, what could cause that debian is not starting? :P
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16:55.53WyzardGambaroni: I'd run a "badblocks -n" scan on it next, to look for problems in accessing data on the drive from a software standpoint
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16:56.15DynamicPinkAre you sure it is /dev/sda2?
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16:56.17abrotmanxand: cat /proc/partitions ?
16:56.25xandDynamicPink: yes.
16:56.28xandabrotman: that lists it
16:56.32WyzardGambaroni: If that reports errors, it could be a problem in other hardware besides the drive, or something overheating
16:56.38GambaroniWyzard /dev/hda is apparently in use by the system; it's not safe to run badblocks
16:56.41DynamicPinkMaybe it isn't ext3.
16:56.44xandit is.
16:56.48TheJoeIs there a quick way to convert a bunch of filenames to upper case?
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16:56.50xandand that's the wrong error message for that
16:56.59xandTheJoe: the rename command
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16:57.02GambaroniWyzard that makes that debian isn't booting? :P
16:57.05WyzardGambaroni: I'm assuming you're not booted from it, since you said it doesn't boot; are you using a liveCD?
16:57.21GambaroniWyzard I'm in rescue mode :P
16:57.23TheJoexand: Got an example?
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16:57.37abrotmanxand: file -s /dev/sda2
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16:57.47xandfile is not avaialble on the install cd
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16:58.23WyzardGambaroni: "badblocks -n" should be safe to use, anyway; just don't do anything else while it's running
16:58.32DynamicPinkxand, can you boot from another install and do a chroot to fix it?
16:58.41xandTheJoe: the man page has such an example.
16:58.45DynamicPinkinstall disk I mean.
16:58.52GambaroniWyzard how do I know when it's done? how long time does it take?
16:59.18WyzardGambaroni: You can use the -v and -s options to get progress information from badblocks
16:59.40WyzardGambaroni: It'll probably take roughly as long as the SMART self-test did
16:59.42xandDynamicPink: I will. I tried the debian installer as it's the smallest file so quickest to download... I guess there's a reason for that.
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17:00.14GambaroniWyzard then I would like to run badblocks -v -s -n /dev/hda?
17:00.28Gambaronior is -v -s enough?=
17:00.51DynamicPinkxand, as I recall the net install downloads the utilities at some point and sets them up, but it takes a while.
17:00.56WyzardGambaroni: The -n makes it do a read-write test rather than just a read-only test
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17:01.22GambaroniWyzard and then how do I force it to run? :D
17:01.32DynamicPinkGot to go. Thanks again abrotman for all the help.
17:01.37abrotmanxand: there are smaller "recovery" liveCDs
17:02.12WyzardGambaroni: The -f option, but the manpage recommends against it...  it'd be safer to boot from a CD
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17:02.56GambaroniWyzard could anything else happen than I need to reinstall ?
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17:04.07cptbloodi wanna turn my debian 5.0.3 into mac gui, as with Mac4Lin, but it doesnt seem to work? it didnt change the desktop bkgrnd, nor did it wanna load my AWN file from Mac4Lin, any ideas?
17:04.09WyzardGambaroni: If the data on the drive is OK but there are problems with reading it due to something fixable like a bad cable or overheating, you should be OK once the problem is fixed
17:04.18WyzardGambaroni: If the data on the drive is bad, you'll probably need to reinstall
17:04.54GambaroniWyzard after the test?
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17:06.32WyzardGambaroni: The badblocks test is to determine whether there are still I/O problems with the drive, or if the drive just contains bad data due to a problem in the past but is OK now
17:08.42GambaroniWyzard another ide cable, still doesn't boot
17:09.34WyzardI'd do a SMART selftest and a badblocks scan on that one too
17:09.48GambaroniI did smart, it said completed with out errors
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17:10.37Wyzardbadblocks too, then
17:11.00cptbloodhow do i add a program to autostart in debian lenny btw?
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17:11.10WyzardThe difference between the SMART scan and the badblocks scan is that the SMART scan is completely internal to the drive, but the badblocks scan also relies heavily on all the other parts of the system involved in communicating with the drive
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17:14.11rgrcptblood: what kind of program? for the user or at system level?
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17:16.32thebigdirtyemuCould someone help me with the syntax of cp --update between two folders via scp?
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17:17.46\amethystthebigdirtyemu:  personally I would use rsync
17:17.47GambaroniWyzard installed etch now, to see if that boots
17:18.05thebigdirtyemuyeah? Think that would be a better way to do things,
17:18.12\amethystthebigdirtyemu:   rsync -a localdir user@host:remotedir
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17:18.23thebigdirtyemuit's about 16gb of data, with about a 9.5gb overlap
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17:18.40GambaroniWyzard works fine!
17:19.04WyzardGambaroni: No errors reported by badblocks?
17:19.14\amethystthebigdirtyemu:  maybe add -v or -P so you can see what it's doing and keep track of progress
17:19.30GambaroniWyzard haven't run badblocks yet, tried to install etch, and etch boots just fine. Could it be any wrong with netboot release?
17:20.05superlinuxguys! who of you is still studying at university? my question is does an entity relationship diagram apply to a mobile application that don't use a database? it just has only to do calls monitoring?
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17:20.20WyzardGambaroni: The netboot CD isn't a different release, it's just a different way of getting the packages during installation (downloading them rather than having them on the CD already)
17:20.23thebigdirtyemuametyst: I'm pretty new to this, will the -a switch ensure that it doesn't copy stuff that is already there
17:20.35MayaThello :))
17:20.41GambaroniWyzard not the CD, PXE boot
17:20.55superlinuxI want this as a reminder or assurance for me.
17:21.10abrotmansuperlinux: ask your professor, not a random IRC channel
17:21.14WyzardGambaroni: Still fundamentally the same install, just a different way of getting the files
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17:21.31xandburns a filthy, dirty ubuntu CD >.<
17:21.32mindcookerI'm trying to use mktime
17:21.42mindcookerbut it's not found
17:21.53xandwhat is mktime?
17:22.07xanda php function?
17:22.24abrotmanit's a std function IIRC
17:22.29GambaroniWyzard ok, seems strange that etch would work but not lenny?
17:22.34superlinuxabrotman, this is for me . I cannot contact a professor. It has been like 2 years since i stepped a foot in a uni.
17:22.38abrotmanmindcooker: using it in which language?
17:22.55abrotmansuperlinux: then just do it .. your question has nothing to do with Debian
17:23.00WyzardGambaroni: Well, it's not that lenny never worked; you had a working system and then something went wrong with it, right?
17:23.02superlinuxok
17:23.33GambaroniWyzard no, I just installed it. That was on the other server that runs etch or sarge my storageserver
17:23.52mindcookerabrotman, bash
17:24.00WyzardGambaroni: You just installed etch, you mean, but you had lenny installed before
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17:24.09abrotmanmindcooker: i don't think that's a bash function/call
17:24.18refreshFSNhi
17:24.22WyzardGambaroni: lenny worked, then lenny stopped working, then you installed etch and it works
17:24.46GambaroniWyzard today, in the morning I installed lenny via PXE, it didn't boot at all, then I ran smart test and checked smart info. Now I installed etch, it boots
17:25.00Wyzardah
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17:25.50GambaroniWyzard the other computer (storageserver, that hdd you saw the smart log for) has etch or sarge and just stopped worked a several times, the hdd that sounds weird sometimes.
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17:26.49GambaroniWyzard also, the lenny setup, when it boots, it says Failure to allocate mem resource #6.... Don't know if I've told you that-
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17:27.01GambaroniWyzard I also ran memtest without errors
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17:27.40WyzardGambaroni: Remember that a filesystem can be corrupted by something as simple as a wrong command run as root, or a transient problem like the processor overheating
17:28.00WyzardGambaroni: and once the bad data has been written to disk, the system won't work properly even though there's nothing wrong with the hardware
17:28.21GambaroniWyzard I think this hdd would be fine. The other one in the storageserver that sounds weird may not, I think I'll replace it anyhow. Never had good experiences with hdds that sounds weird :P
17:28.23GambaroniWyzard true
17:28.48GambaroniWyzard but that wouldn't cause the HDD to begin sound weird?
17:28.52WyzardGambaroni: If all your hardware tests (SMART, badblocks, memtest) are passing then I'd say you don't have broken hardware
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17:29.02WyzardTransient overheating is still a possibility worth investigating
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17:29.28WyzardI don't know what would cause a working hard drive to make weird noises, or whether the sounds are even weird
17:29.52WyzardI'd try installing lenny again, and see whether it works
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17:30.02superlinuxabrotman, thanks God! i found my old software engineering book. :) 7 years old book.
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17:30.19GambaroniWyzard I've tried now 3 times and still same error
17:30.56superlinuxyes Entity relattion diagrams are primarily for databases.
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17:31.22WyzardYou can install etch successfully, but repeated installs of lenny all fail to boot?
17:31.29GambaroniWyzard yes
17:31.37Gambaroni<PROTECTED>
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17:32.51durka421so i'm trying to give sudo access to an ldap group, and it insists i'm not in the sudoers file
17:33.17WyzardGambaroni: I'm not familiar with that message but http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=415239 indicates that it doesn't seem to be a problem
17:33.29durka421is there any magic i have to do?
17:33.35durka421i installed the sudo-ldap package
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17:34.35GambaroniWyzard hmm, ok. Any other ideas what it could be then?
17:34.38cptbloodrgr: user level
17:35.17durka42aha! i fixed it -- there was a group in /etc/groups with the same name as the ldap group and no members
17:35.18rgrassuming gnome then just system/preferernces/startup apps
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17:35.55WyzardGambaroni: not without more information about why the lenny installs fail to boot
17:36.00WyzardGambaroni: e.g. actual exact error messages
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17:37.42GambaroniWyzard ehm, It comes it initrd (?) and then it just reboots, boots into grub, loads till initrd, reboots
17:37.44GambaroniWyzard forever
17:37.46TheJoeI've just about had it with alacarte. Please tell me there's an alternative menu editor
17:38.01TheJoeOr a SAFE way to go to GNOME 2.28 in Lenny
17:38.33WyzardGambaroni: and doesn't print any messages before rebooting?
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17:38.59abrotmanTheJoe: what are you trying to actually do ?
17:39.12TheJoeabrotman: Add an item to the menu. That's it.
17:39.33abrotmanTheJoe: did you think it might be easier to use the Debian menu system instead ?
17:39.35GambaroniWyzard not what I'm able to see anyhow. Can I check that after?
17:39.49TheJoeabrotman: Wait what?
17:40.02abrotman!menu
17:40.02dpkgwell, menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods
17:40.05WyzardGambaroni: Messages that early in the boot process aren't logged anywhere -- there's no disk mounted yet
17:40.23TheJoeHmm
17:40.35GambaroniWyzard okok, too bad :(
17:41.22WyzardGambaroni: If your kernel options line (in grub) has the "quiet" option on it, booting without that option may produce some more informative messages
17:42.01TheJoeabrotman: Would that add the items to the 'Debian' section of the GNOME menu?
17:42.07GambaroniWyzard could it make any sense to not install the "Standard system"? How do I boot without that option?
17:42.32WyzardGambaroni: but it's strange for the initrd to reboot immediately, rather than displaying an error and dumping you to a prompt
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17:42.50WyzardGambaroni: In the grub menu, press 'e' to edit the kernel options before booting
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17:42.56abrotmanTheJoe: i think you can add it where you want
17:43.14WyzardGambaroni: It's fine to skip installing the "standard system" package set if you want a leaner system, but I doubt that has anything to do with boot problems
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17:44.21GambaroniWyzard I see, I'll try without it, it reduces the installation time a bit also
17:45.08MayaTi already done download -debian-update-5.0.3-i386-DVD-1 and burn it into DVD... but i dont know how to install it..
17:45.42abrotmanapt-cdrom
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17:46.59MayaTabrotman, big thanks bro.. i go tried now...
17:47.02WyzardMayaT: If you already have a 5.0 installation, you don't really need that DVD
17:47.18WyzardMayaT: The files on it are the same updates you'd get through apt
17:47.21MayaTWyzard, owhhh ya... ok
17:47.56MayaTWyzard, oic....
17:48.01WyzardYou'd only need the DVD if you were updating a system whose Internet connection is slow, and you wanted to avoid the download time
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17:48.41MayaTWyzard, what that means?
17:49.18MayaTowhhh.. ya ya ya... ok
17:49.28WyzardYou can download the update DVD on a computer that has a fast Internet connection, and use it to update a computer that has a slow Internet connection
17:49.34xandubuntu CD fixed grub :(
17:49.43thomas_schi installed sid through debootstrap --arch=amd64 sid /mnt/debian and then chrootet into and installed a kernel but because of my incomplete source list i was unable to install a working X with nvidia/nv/nouveau/vesa drivers
17:50.10thomas_schwhat do i have to add to the source list so i can use it as a normal desktop system?
17:50.21MayaTWyzard, big2 thanks bro... u rock! :)
17:50.48Wyzardthomas_sch: The nVidia driver is in non-free, so you might need to add that to your sources.list if it's not there already
17:51.00Wyzardthomas_sch: but xorg itself, and the nv and vesa drivers, are in the main repository
17:51.20MayaT~gtg~ bye all... :)
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17:52.26Wyzardthomas_sch: What's incomplete about your sources.list?
17:52.28TheJoeabrotman: Seems it puts it in to the Debian section, which is messy. Oh well
17:52.55abrotmanTheJoe: i'm sure if you actually look at how other packages do theirs, you could move it somewhere else .. up to you
17:53.15TheJoeabrotman: Yeah I just did
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17:53.53TheJoesection="Applications/Graphics" should surely do it
17:54.25GambaroniWyzard time to see..! :D
17:54.29WyzardMost packages just ship .desktop files to put stuff directly in the freedesktop menu, not the Debian menu
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17:55.08TheJoeWyzard: I'm trying to put it in the freedesktop menu, but Alacarte is a terrible program
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17:56.22WyzardTheJoe: I was under the impression that the GNOME "menu editor" tool really only lets you disable items that you don't want to appear in the menu, not create new entries
17:56.23thomas_schWyzard: yeah they are in there but i got an error
17:56.34WyzardTheJoe: though I'm not sure whether that was alacarte or some other program I'm thinking of
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17:56.53WyzardTheJoe: Anyway, you could just write a .desktop file and put it in /usr/local/share/applications
17:56.54GambaroniWyzard when the kernel has quiet. Just remove that and press b?
17:57.00WyzardTheJoe: Look at the files in /usr/share/applications for examples
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17:57.07Gambaroni+ enter after edit*
17:57.08thomas_schxserver-xorg-video-vesa: depends on: xserver-xorg-core (>= 2:1.6.99.900) but 2:1.6.5-1 should get installed (translated cause of from locales)
17:57.13WyzardGambaroni: yes
17:57.25GambaroniWyzard it says something
17:57.29GambaroniWyzard but no change to see
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17:58.58GambaroniWyzard OH!
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17:59.14GambaroniWyzard Probing EDD (edd=off to disable)...
17:59.33GambaroniWyzard that is what it says.. (recording with mobile and then just a bit luck when pausing :D)
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18:00.10Wyzardthomas_sch: Looks like a transition going on in unstable right now
18:00.38Wyzardthomas_sch: I noticed yesterday that a bunch of xorg driver packages were held back due to unmet dependencies in the new version
18:00.53Wyzardthomas_sch: Presumably the new version that meets those dependencies will be uploaded within the next few days
18:01.02TheJoeOk I think I've got it now
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18:01.05thomas_schah thx Wyzard this explains it :)
18:01.12thomas_schi will keep lenny then for a few days
18:01.15Wyzardthomas_sch: so it's not a problem with your sources.list, just unstable being unstable
18:01.19red_eyesHello!
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18:01.58TheJoeSeriously though, alacarte needs so many improvements. In fact, scratch that - The GNOME Menu needs improving
18:02.11TheJoeWhere's the bug tracker
18:02.18red_eyesI messed with dasher and on screen keyboard and now the keyboard is unusable... If I keep a button pressed, it works slowly. If I just press once, nothing shows up
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18:03.02WyzardGambaroni: hmm...  I've heard of EDID (used for detecting monitor capabilities) but not EDD
18:03.04\amethystred_eyes:  sounds like you have one of the assistive things turned on
18:03.35\amethystred_eyes:  under control center -> assistive technologies
18:03.39red_eyes\amethyst: Any way of resetting it? Or perhaps you know what is the problem?
18:03.45red_eyes\amethyst: Thanks, I'll try
18:03.54WyzardGambaroni: but http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-04/msg10530.html looks relevant
18:03.59GambaroniWyzard hmm, I'm wondering if there could be any files left from my last debian netboot.. Or something I haven't downloaded
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18:04.39\amethystred_eyes:  I think "slow keys" under keyboard
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18:05.03\amethystred_eyes:  it's also under  Control Center -> Keyboard Preferences -> Accessibility tab
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18:05.58red_eyes\amethyst: Thanks!
18:06.18GambaroniWyzard works with edd=off
18:06.55GambaroniWyzard but there has to be something wrong I think.. This seems pretty weird, I'm getting this mem error again
18:07.00Gambaroniand some other errors :PO
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18:08.12GambaroniWyzard device not find, driver error etc :(
18:08.24edgarsyello
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18:11.08Rusty1Gambaroni:  can you paste your grub stanza somewhere?
18:11.30WyzardGambaroni: You need to be more specific with error messages
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18:13.05GambaroniWyzard and Rusty1 because edd=off shouldn't be required?
18:14.58GambaroniRusty1 root (hd0,0) [NEWLINE] kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-2-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet [NEWLINE] initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.26-2-686
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18:17.06GambaroniWyzard unable to assign resources, device not found or device busy
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18:17.22WyzardGambaroni: what device?
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18:18.15GuySofthi all, does anyone know how i can rsync folders to a server over ssh, but make the rsync ignore *.jpg files?
18:19.03\amethystGuySoft:  rsync --exclude '*.jpg'
18:19.04GambaroniWyzard can you see the log afterwards?
18:19.07abrotmanthere is an exclude option
18:19.18GuySoft\amethyst, thanks, and how do i do that over ssh?
18:19.47\amethystGuySoft:  rsync -a --exclude '*.jpg' /path/to/localdir user@server:/path/to/remotedir
18:19.55WyzardGambaroni: Not after a reboot, no -- like I said, they're not saved anywhere when there's no disk mounted yet
18:19.58GuySoft\amethyst, thanks again ):
18:19.59GuySoft:)
18:20.13TheJoeFor fullscreen SDL apps (so far tested: DOSBox and ScummVM) my monitor pipes up with "Input not supported". I'm thinking it's a xorg.conf thing
18:20.23GambaroniWyzard waiting for /dev to be fully populated... Error: Driver 'pcspkr's already registered, aborting...
18:20.51GambaroniWyzard parport_pc: unable to assing resources
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18:20.51GambaroniWyzard mpu401: unable to assign resources
18:21.02GambaroniWyzard MPU-401 device not found or device busy
18:21.07WyzardGambaroni: Those are normal and harmless
18:21.24WyzardGambaroni: MPU-401 is an ancient soundcard
18:21.49Wyzard(Not even a card, actually, an external box)
18:22.12Wyzarddunno why it's trying to load that driver at boot time, but it's no surprise that it fails
18:22.13GambaroniWyzard ok, trying to resume from /dev/hda5
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18:22.23GambaroniWyzard no resume image, doing normal boot. is also normal?
18:22.34Wyzardyes, that's support for suspend-to-disk
18:22.41Gambaroniokok
18:22.58GambaroniWyzard but then, failed to allocate mem resource and th eprobing EDD? that's not normal? :P
18:23.29WyzardI don't know about those
18:23.42WyzardAre those the next messages after the "no resume image" one?
18:24.04Gambaronino
18:24.21GambaroniWyzard the probing EDD is just after initrd, when setting edd=off it boots
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18:25.12GambaroniWyzard then it's just after booting the kernel I get failed to allocate mem resource #6
18:25.37WyzardWhat does it say after "no resume image"?
18:26.03GambaroniWyzard INIT: version .... booting
18:26.25WyzardThat's normal too
18:26.33Gambaroniyea
18:26.38toolzhello, I am being attacked on my FTP port, what should I set in iptables?
18:26.45Gambaronibut the failed to load mem resource isn't normal? :P and what is edd?
18:26.53toolztcp        0      0 86.106.109.xxx:ftp      195.42.138.18:22164     SYN_RECV
18:27.00toolza lot of lines like these when i do netstat
18:27.01WyzardGambaroni: I've said already, I don't know
18:27.16WyzardGambaroni: What we're looking for now is an error message that might indicate why it reboots suddenly
18:27.24Wyzardwhich would probably be printed right before it does so
18:27.28Corndawg_toolz> can you set your host.allow file for FTP?
18:27.44GambaroniWyzard but.. it is the Probing EDD that prints just before reboot
18:27.45Corndawg_or do you not know where connections will be coming from?
18:28.03GambaroniWyzard when setting edd=off it boots "correct", with the mem resource error.. and I can logon
18:28.14Corndawg_or maybe just hosts.deny for that 1 IP, but he can change it easy
18:28.23TheJoeSo yeah
18:28.28TheJoeSDL apps and complaining monitors
18:29.01WyzardGambaroni: OK, I misunderstood, I thought you meant that edd=off is what let you get past that error to see the other messages you mentioned (about MPU-401, starting init, etc.)
18:29.02GuySoft\amethyst, rsync error: syntax or usage error (code 1) at main.c(1219)
18:29.02toolzCorndawg_, I see a lot of unknown ips
18:29.10WyzardGambaroni: So the system boots successfully with edd=off?
18:29.12toolzI dont know from where it comes, I blocked few but they still appear
18:29.22GambaroniWyzard yes, with the mem resource error
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18:30.18toolztcp        0      0 86.106.109.xxx:ftp      ool-4570bbad.dyn.:30607 SYN_RECV
18:30.21\amethystGuySoft:  what is -p 1999 supposed to be?
18:30.25toolzhow do I see all the ip/hostname?
18:30.29GuySoft\amethyst, port?
18:30.35GuySoft\amethyst, just looked its worng
18:30.38\amethystGuySoft:  ssh port?
18:30.52GuySoftbecause the dam rsync made a new folder called 1999 here, must be path :-/
18:31.03GuySoft\amethyst, yes, its reverse ssh .. long story
18:31.25\amethystGuySoft:  --rsh='ssh -p 1999'
18:31.28Corndawg_then set your hosts.allow for FTP to only allow IP's that need to get to the FTP site  (whilelist instead of blacklist)
18:31.34WyzardGambaroni: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/probing-edd-message-at-boot-time-what-does-it-mean-750715/
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18:32.05gawrydoes anyone knows how to connect to a mssql database from debian? I'm having problems with that...
18:32.06WyzardGambaroni: Sounds like EDD is something the kernel uses to get information from the BIOS about the drive it's booting from
18:32.06gawry[Sun Dec 06 13:20:09 2009] [error] [client 10.1.1.2] ALERT - canary mismatch on efree() - heap overflow detected (attacker '10.1.1.2', file '/var/www/www.toqueacampainha.com.br/class/Model.class.php', line 252)
18:32.07GuySoftrsync made a new folder called 1999 here, must be path :-/
18:32.11paissad-hphi all
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18:32.32abrotmangawry: works fine for me
18:32.34paissad-hpi 'm creating a svn server on debian and i cannot connect to it !
18:32.38GambaroniWyzard I found Definition: EDD: Enterprise Data Distribution (ENS, Banyan, VINES)
18:32.41WyzardGambaroni: If that's failing, a BIOS update might help, but edd=off just makes it use the older method, which should work too
18:32.52abrotmangawry: dpkg -l php5 | tail -1
18:32.58WyzardGambaroni: No, it's Enhanced Disk Drive
18:33.09paissad-hp@paissad-server:/etc/apache2/mods-available# pastebinit -i dav_svn.conf
18:33.09paissad-hphttp://pastebin.com/f730741a2
18:33.21paissad-hp@paissad-server:/etc/apache2$ sudo pastebinit -i dav_svn.authz
18:33.21paissad-hphttp://pastebin.com/f71755040
18:33.28WyzardGambaroni: looks like it's the BIOS feature that allows booting from large hard drives; is this a very old computer?
18:33.30paissad-hp@paissad-server:/etc/apache2$ sudo pastebinit -i dav_svn.passwd
18:33.30paissad-hphttp://pastebin.com/f5b0656cb
18:33.35gawryabrotman: dpkg -l php5 | tail -1
18:33.35gawryNo packages found matching php5.
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18:33.42paissad-hpthat worked nice
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18:33.54GuySoft\amethyst, thanks, seems to be working :)
18:33.54abrotmangawry: dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php5 | tail -1
18:33.58paissad-hp@paissad-server:/etc/apache2$ ls -ld /var/lib/svn/
18:33.58paissad-hpdrwxr-xr-x 3 www-data www-data 4096 déc 6 17:22 /var/lib/svn/
18:34.15GambaroniWyzard hm, pretty old. P4 @ 1300 MHz
18:34.25GambaroniWyzard 256 MB RAM
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18:34.58paissad-hpwhen i enter http://localhost/svn/ or http://localhost/svn/projet_test --- i'm prompted to enter user and password, what i did correctly
18:35.03gawryabrotman: dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php5 | tail -1
18:35.03gawryii  libapache2-mod-php5               5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4      server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (Apache 2 module)
18:35.17paissad-hpbut i have this error --> Forbidden
18:35.18paissad-hpYou don't have permission to access /svn on this server.
18:35.45paissad-hp403 error
18:35.45GambaroniWyzard but weird that it just reboots and not continues
18:35.45abrotmangawry: sounds like like a configuration problem, i use lenny machines to connect to mssql servers (though mine are 2000/2005)
18:35.45paissad-hpcan someone help ?
18:35.45WyzardGambaroni: Based on the last paragraph under http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Disk_Drive#Overview it sounds like EDD is what lets GRUB and the kernel access parts of the disk beyond the 8GB mark, early in the boot process when there are no drivers loaded yet and all disk access has to be done via BIOS routines
18:35.46paissad-hpthanks in advance
18:35.54abrotmangawry: or possibly a coding error
18:36.19WyzardGambaroni: so edd=off would mean that your /boot partition needs to be located entirely within the first 8GB of the drive, but should work OK as long as that's true
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18:36.48WyzardGambaroni: I don't know why it'd fail and reboot, though; a P4 system is new enough that it ought to support EDD
18:36.57gawryabrotman: not a coding error at all... it works in another server
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18:37.17WyzardGambaroni: I'd update the BIOS if possible, but other than that, don't worry about it
18:37.24GambaroniWyzard that's what I thought too
18:37.38abrotmangawry: ask ##php what that error actually means .. i've never seen a "canary mismatch"
18:38.06GambaroniWyzard and the mem resource, no problem with that also?`
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18:38.16paranoidfreakhi everybody, i recently updated my unstable debian and my "totem media player stopped playing certain file types; i tried right clicking the video file and going to it's property to change default to playing in vlc but i only see a dialog box stating: "Creating properties window.", is there any other way to change the default media player?
18:38.34WyzardGambaroni: That's related to a PCI device, and the message should tell you which PCI device it is
18:38.52WyzardGambaroni: (It gives you a PCI ID, and you can use lspci later to look up what hardware it corresponds to)
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18:39.10GambaroniWyzard ok, I'll try to write it down :P
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18:39.57WyzardGambaroni: It may affect the driver's ability to use that hardware, but it depends on what the hardware is and what that memory region is used for
18:40.07WyzardGambaroni: That's not a PCI ID
18:40.27GambaroniWyzard how would it look like?
18:40.44zinxtwo sets of four hexadecimal digits, possibly separated by a colon
18:40.49WyzardGambaroni: 00:01.0
18:40.58zinxthat's a bus id
18:41.10WyzardI know
18:41.13GambaroniWyzard 00001:00.0
18:41.37WyzardGambaroni: That's it
18:41.38zinxand that sounds like it's probably the controller :x
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18:41.54WyzardGambaroni: After the system boots, run lspci and look for that
18:42.12WyzardGambaroni: It'll probably appear as 01:00.0, without the extra leading zeros
18:42.18GambaroniWyzard what package is lspci in?
18:42.25Wyzardpciutils, I think
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18:42.51zinxyou could also just use lspci -s 01:00.0
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18:44.23toolzState: SYN_RECV
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18:44.35toolzcan I block such connections from iptables?
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18:45.31GambaroniWyzard VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce MX/MX 400] (rev a1)
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18:47.50Rusty1http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/howto-limit-linux-syn-attacks.html << toolz maybe that can work
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18:48.24Amsehi
18:48.27WyzardGambaroni: https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/54294 has a comment saying "I doubt these are actually causing problems. These messages started appearing because of some new sanity checks."
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18:49.07WyzardGambaroni: I wouldn't worry about it unless you have problems with video drivers
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18:51.03GambaroniWyzard I found something about Large Drive Access in BIOS, changed that.. maybe that could help
18:51.12GambaroniWyzard it didn't
18:51.42WyzardGambaroni: What are the choices for that setting?
18:51.49GambaroniWyzard DOS and Other
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18:52.09WyzardGambaroni: Set that to Other, but I don't think it'll really make a difference
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18:53.00WyzardIIRC, that affects the CHS geometry that the BIOS reports for the drive, but everything uses LBA these days anyway so CHS doesn't matter
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18:53.43zinxyeah, the LBA is complete BS on modern drives (mostly because it doesn't support representing the size of modern drives)
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18:54.11zinxerh, the CHS
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18:55.18Posterdatihi
18:55.53Posterdatiplease I could not install kdebase-workspace-bin on squeeze due to libxklavier bug :(
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18:57.09abrotmanPosterdati: didn't we cover this a few hours ago ?
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18:58.46Posterdatiabrotman: no, please how can I force an unstable package to be installed in testing?
18:59.23macrobatparanoidfreak: update-alternatives
18:59.49TiMiDohey can someone tell me on how to install on apache support for php?
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19:00.47abrotmanTiMiDo: aptitude install libapache2-mod-php5
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19:03.39GambaroniWyzard going to install the same installation to another hdd on another computer now, to see if that works better :)
19:04.21paranoidfreakmacrobat: thanks, i'll play around it a bit to figure it out
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19:10.18konrcan I raise the volume beyond what I can with a mixer?
19:11.26abrotmanmove your ear closer
19:12.00macrobatkonr: there are settings for master and pcm, sometimes there are volume settings for the sound app. maybe you forgot one?
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19:17.06TheJoeOk so now in SDL apps, the audio output turns on and off constantly, very rapidly, producing very skippy sound
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19:17.41TheJoeI can tell this, since in the PulseAudio Volume Control, I see the output meter flicker on and off and the skips in the audio correspond with the visible flickering
19:19.51GambaroniWyzard lol.. that one won't even show the menu from PXE
19:20.13TiMiDoYou don't have permission to access /webchat/install.php on this server.
19:20.23TiMiDohow do i give me access to run it?
19:20.31toolzRusty1, that didnt helped
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19:20.59toolzany idea how to get rid of SYN_RECV flood
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19:22.36konrmacrobat: nope, the problem is that I'm in a notebook, and it's not sufficiently loud when I use ear phones
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19:28.27macrobatmaybe other ear phones give louder sound
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19:28.29EisbeinHi@all
19:28.43jameshoHow can I prevent a user for deleting their Maildir? I've not been able to work it out using chown and chmod.
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19:28.59toolzany idea?
19:29.06sieneis admin group same as root ?
19:29.13abrotmanjamesho: tell htme if they do it, they'll lose all their mail
19:29.16abrotmansiene: no
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19:29.58sienewhats the difference abrotman  ?
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19:30.03ehnvisjamesho: easiest way is to not have their maildir in their home directory.
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19:30.32abrotmansiene: the adm group is just another group on the system
19:30.52sienewhat uses admin normally ?
19:30.52Eisbeinwell did you try to set the permission of only the maildir folder to "read only"
19:31.07abrotmansiene: adm .. not admin
19:31.19abrotmanEisbein: wouldn't that defeat the purpose of sending the person email ?
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19:31.33sieneok abrotman but what normally uses it ?
19:31.38ehnvisEisbein: wont help if they still own it and can chmod it
19:31.47Eisbeinyeah your somehow right
19:31.47jameshoehnvis: thanks. Is there a popper place to move a Maildir to other than home
19:31.57abrotmansiene: find / -group adm
19:32.11Eisbeinok, well tell them to get a gmail account
19:32.19abrotmannot helping?
19:32.48sieneok thanks abrotman
19:32.48abrotmanehnvis: i don't think you can
19:32.56ehnvisjamesho: i usually setup their maildirectories in /var/mail but thats just me. i only handle a few (aprox 20) mailboxes at a small server at work for our lab environment.
19:33.46jameshoehnvis: Thanks, I'll look into it.
19:33.56sieneabrotman, so if i gave user adm group would i get more privs ?
19:34.24abrotmansiene: yeah
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19:34.34abrotmansiene: though mostly just to view logs
19:34.36Tw33k^'lo
19:34.52sienesecurity risk ? ..or would it be ok
19:35.01abrotmanoh wrong person
19:35.01jameshoEisbein: I've tired making the folder read only but then I can not cd into the folder. So assume that will not work for the IMAP server.
19:35.16abrotmansiene: just reading
19:35.25sieneok ty
19:35.26Tw33k^running squeeze - just upgraded to 2.6.32 - now my wifi signal (while connected only) in NetworkManager shows either 100% or 0%
19:35.28abrotmanjamesho: if you have it in their $HOME, don't think you can
19:35.35Tw33k^i stay connected fine when it shows 0%
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19:35.47abrotmanjamesho: FWIW, you can use cyrus which is maildir-ish .. and stores the mail outside their $HOME
19:36.02abrotmanTw33k^: so use the Debian kernel ?
19:36.06Tw33k^lol
19:36.07Tw33k^:/
19:36.17Tw33k^the debian kernel is old.
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19:36.35jameshoabrotman: thanks for the info. I've set courier up now... I might just move the Maildir to some where else.
19:36.37Tw33k^2.6.30 is as high as it goes isn't it?
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19:37.00Tw33k^I like the wifi compatibility that >= 2.6.31 has given me
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19:37.15abrotmanTw33k^: really? what features does the .32 kernel give you that you didn't have before?
19:37.39abrotmanbesides a non-functional wifi
19:37.48Tw33k^.32 doesn't seem to have anything that .31 didn't (that i've noticed) but there are several bugfixes (and new bugs)
19:38.02Tw33k^.31 has great benefit to me over the debian .30
19:38.15Eisbeinhey, what if you 'ln -s'  the maildir folder to the users home dir so if they delete it, they only kill the shortcut
19:38.34Tw33k^abrotman: is it not supported by debian to run the latest stable vanilla kernel?
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19:38.43Tw33k^officially i mean
19:39.02PinkFreudTw33k^: ATI r600 now has drm support in 2.6.32.
19:39.08abrotmanTw33k^: you can do it, but this channel won't support it .. we're not going to spend hours trying to figure out which config option you missed
19:39.17maligorTw33k^, I don't think there is official support, heh
19:39.17Tw33k^well
19:39.25Tw33k^maligor: that's the joke
19:39.41Tw33k^abrotman: its not that i missed a config option...
19:39.45Tw33k^my wifi works.
19:40.01Tw33k^just *while i'm connected* it has no idea what the sig is
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19:40.20Tw33k^also PinkFreud very cool.
19:40.25ehnvisTw33k^: i dont think the problem is the kernel itself (running 2.6.32 here as well) but networkmanager itself. what does iwconfig tell you?
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19:41.11Tw33k^lo        no wireless extensions.
19:41.11Tw33k^eth0      no wireless extensions.
19:41.11Tw33k^irda0     no wireless extensions.
19:41.11Tw33k^pan0      no wireless extensions.
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19:41.12CobolguruHello.
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19:41.22Tw33k^:/
19:41.34Tw33k^meant to grep wlan0 too
19:41.47Tw33k^but the thing is, i'm connected to that AP
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19:42.01Tw33k^if i disconnect iwlist shows 80-9% signal
19:42.06CobolguruIs Debian generally pretty good with 96 MB of RAM provided I just run Apache (no Xorg)?
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19:44.02Tw33k^ehnvis: thoughts?
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19:44.21EisbeinI have a problem: when I playback video of a line going from top to bottom and the camera moves right I see 3 parts of the line in wrong lineup moving right
19:44.21Tw33k^note: signal strength reads normal in 2.6.31
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19:44.53ehnvisTw33k^: hmm maybe you should look into if they did change anything for your wireless between 2.6.31 and 2.6.32
19:45.08Tw33k^it's a pretty generic chipset
19:45.10Tw33k^rtl8180
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19:45.25Tw33k^don't think anything there was really changed... :/
19:45.33Tw33k^also it's a module - not built in
19:45.36Tw33k^same module
19:45.38abrotmanso ask the kernel people
19:45.45Tw33k^abrotman: thanks for your input.
19:45.45abrotmanor use the Debian kernel
19:45.46Tw33k^:/
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19:46.02abrotmanTw33k^: seriously .. this is not a channel for debugging random issues in a shiny new kernel ..
19:46.11Tw33k^fair enough
19:46.13ehnvisTw33k^: if i remember right i think i read somewhere that they did some changes to that part.
19:46.41Tw33k^oh snap really?
19:46.41Tw33k^better get to reading then...
19:46.41abrotmanyou compiled it ... the Debian developers take care to try to ensure things work correctly .. either use that kernel or find someone that supports vanilla sources
19:46.41harkCobolguru: go for nginx/lighttpd instead
19:46.41ehnvisTw33k^: might be wrong and mixing things up but do check it
19:46.55Tw33k^ehnvis: authentically... thanks for your input
19:47.00abrotmanTw33k^: possibly start in ##kernel
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19:47.08abrotmanor even #wireless
19:47.11Tw33k^so on another topic
19:47.17Tw33k^i was in here yesterday...
19:47.25Tw33k^asking how I could contribute to the debian project
19:47.30Tw33k^i'd like to give a bit back if I can
19:47.35Tw33k^although I'm no programmer
19:47.40abrotmancontribute what? code? money? hardware?
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19:47.52Cobolguruabrotman: The MAC reconfiguration is working.
19:48.00abrotmanhuh?
19:48.03Tw33k^abrotman: perhaps package maint... I maintain a .deb at work (commercial though)
19:48.09Tw33k^perhaps support
19:48.11Tw33k^i dunno
19:48.16Tw33k^something
19:48.23abrotmanTw33k^: /msg dpkg wnpp
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19:48.54Tw33k^what does that mean
19:48.56Tw33k^...
19:49.15Tw33k^i mean..
19:49.18Tw33k^how is that relevant
19:49.23abrotmanit's an IRC command
19:49.29Tw33k^*facepalm*
19:49.31Tw33k^i know
19:49.37Tw33k^i mean how is that bot's output relevant
19:49.42abrotmanit means you can adopt a package or help with a package
19:49.47Tw33k^oh ok ok
19:50.01Tw33k^cool. :)
19:50.23Cobolguruenouf is victorious. :)
19:50.31Tw33k^perhaps something which seems to never work when using the .deb...
19:50.34Tw33k^like ndiswrapper
19:50.36Tw33k^or aircrack
19:50.39Tw33k^:|
19:50.44abrotman!tell Tw33k^ about enter
19:51.00Tw33k^you're a douche
19:51.34CobolguruProbably a libertarian.
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19:52.22abrotmanCobolguru: do you need help?
19:52.50CobolguruSorry, I'll move it to #debian-offtopic until I can be helpful in here or need help again.
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20:00.13strawUhm, which driver is "better", the ntfs one from mount or ntfs-3g? (Or is it the same?)
20:00.13cantomaguys, i have a 64 bit computer with debian. I installed 64 bit flash (release of July 30, 2009) I realise that some KEY websites that i need stop working, this has been reported. So I went back 32bit version with npuviewer. This version works but gives the known grey screen many times. Is there any update for people using 64bit pcs and want to use a flashplayer that works?
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20:00.25emptystrAny one here running xen 3.4 on Debian lenny ?
20:00.29abrotmanstraw: different
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20:01.25jelly-hmecantoma: you could just use a 32bit installation
20:01.51cantomajelly-hme, that is what i am doing but npuviewer has many issues
20:02.06jelly-hmecantoma: I mean... a 32bit Debian installation.
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20:02.25cantomajelly-hme, i am not changing my system just because of the flash player
20:02.34GambaroniWyzard the hdd just crasched :P
20:02.40jelly-hmecantoma: it's you who said the sites are "KEY"
20:03.05jelly-hmecantoma: personally I'm using a 32bit firefox build.
20:03.06cantomajelly-hme, yes but they work with the 32bit version
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20:03.40cantomajelly-hme, the only problem is that i have to click many times in refresh everytime i get a grey screen
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20:03.52jelly-hmecantoma: yeah.  So if you want less hassles, go back to a 32bit installation
20:03.59cantomajelly-hme, i watch a lot of TV using the browser
20:04.17cantomajelly-hme, hmmmmm
20:04.32cantomahow can i install the 32 bit one in a 64 bit distro?
20:04.50emptystrany one using xen 3.4 on debian lenny ? maybe can point me some reading.
20:05.14jelly-hmecantoma: that's not what I suggested you do, but what I personally use.
20:06.00cantomajelly-hme, ok so i have a 64 bit distro, is it possible to install a 32 bit one? anyway i am using iceweasel
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20:07.15jelly-hmecantoma: I'm using swiftfox.  I guess one could use 32bit firefox and install it under /opt/firefox or /usr/local or whatnot.
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20:08.26jelly-hmeswiftfox build is currently buggy.  I can live with 3.5.3 release, but for browsing random web sites I wouldn't use a security-impaired old release.
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20:08.48cantomajelly-hme, swiftfox? not in mine apt-cache
20:08.58jelly-hmeit wouldn't be, no
20:09.19jelly-hmecantoma: google it if you wish.  I repeat, I'd advise against using it.
20:10.02cantomajelly-hme, what kind of problems did you find with it?
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20:10.33jelly-hme3.5.5 just crashes
20:10.43magyarhi, looking for a cli password generator
20:10.51jelly-hmemagyar: pwgen?
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20:11.14magyarjelly-hme: thank you
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20:11.36macrobatwasnt there a wrapper for 32bit flash? i remember i used one before there was 64 bit flash
20:11.49nseHello everybody. Is there a music transcriber available on Debian?
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20:11.50jelly-hmemacrobat: wrappers suck.
20:12.25macrobatyes, but reinstall debian might suck more :)
20:12.32cantomajelly-hme, well i will have a look at 3.5.5 and see if i am lucky
20:13.18jelly-hmemacrobat: the user said it was a key issue to have those sites working, and cloning a debian installation is a 2 hour job
20:14.21jelly-hmeto sum, if you require adobe flash to work as reliably as possible, use a 32bit browser and 32bit flash
20:15.05cantomajelly-hme, thats because i went back to 32bit one
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20:15.16jelly-hmecantoma: 32bit what?
20:15.28cantomajelly-hme, flash player
20:15.39jelly-hmecantoma: in which browser?
20:15.44cantomaiceweasel
20:15.53jelly-hmecantoma: 32bit or 64bit iceweasel?
20:15.57cantomathe 64bit version doesn't work with that type of websites
20:15.59cantoma64
20:16.09jelly-hmeso there.  I have nothing more to add.
20:16.13maligorwhat type of websites?
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20:16.26macrobatlet me try that website :)
20:16.30cantomastreaming video
20:16.35macrobatok
20:16.40cantomahttp://tvsportcineonline.blogspot.com/
20:16.45jelly-hme*cough*pron*cough*
20:17.13cantomajelly-hme, man i watch a lot of football :)
20:17.23jelly-hmeright right!
20:17.27cantoma:D
20:18.08maligorlots of sweating and fit men
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20:19.12cantomamaligor, those websites are very bad design .. but they transmit key stuff .. looool
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20:19.59Innocentusanyone online? :)
20:20.11macrobati cant deny or allow that site to store a flash cookie on my compuer :)
20:21.11macrobatInnocentus: this channel usually has more than 900 users
20:22.01macrobat(or, that is what the debhelper notices say)
20:22.05Innocentusso I have got a problem with dovecot - but in #dovecot there is apperently nobody online?
20:22.36InnocentusI have defined a textfile for a very simple user authentification in dovecot - however - I allways get authentification failed when I try to login with my credentials...
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20:27.00Rusty1nse: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-software-2/whats-a-good-music-transcription-program-in-linux-137169/
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20:28.29jhutchins_ltHm.  Flash audio is messed up after sleeping.
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20:28.35jhutchins_ltAmarok is working fine.
20:28.51nseThAnk you very much, Rusty1.
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20:38.11jhutchinsI wonder if there's a way to export a package list in Mandriva and use it to pre-seed Debian...
20:38.23abrotmanbesides the package names not being the same ?
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20:41.13nsadminjhutchins: for the export part you'd have to ask mandriva
20:41.45dustybinhow can i view information about my dvd drive? ie. the max speed etc
20:42.14nsadminisn't that printed on the top of the bare drive?
20:42.23cahootwodim -prcap?
20:42.31nsadminor, download the manual from the mfgr website
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20:43.42dustybini have some blank dvds what are 16x, is it possible to burn them at a slower speed as my drive has a max speed of x6 for dvd recording
20:44.08purpleopticdustybin, yea
20:44.14jhutchinsdustybin: Yes, in fact it's unlikely they'd burn at 16x in a 16x drive.
20:44.39jhutchinsk3b does a pretty good job at calibrating and burning at the best speed for the drive/media combination.
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20:44.40markybobdustybin, your drive will only burn as fast as it can.  it wont even attempt 16x, no matter what the dvd is rated at
20:44.51dustybinright ok!
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21:12.24slidesinger-lthaving trouble with a synaptics touchpad.  The tap feature is driving me insane as it changes to other windows while I type.  I have read the debian wiki on the subject and am having an issue.
21:12.26slidesinger-ltXorg -configure to get a basic xorg.conf file. then X -config /root/xorg.conf.new to test.  X loads but hangs at the gray screen with the big X in the middle of the screen.
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21:13.06slidesinger-ltNo apparent error messages on the tty that X is called from.
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21:15.07nsadminslidesinger-lt when yhou move the mouse does the x move?
21:15.51slidesinger-ltYes
21:16.06nsadminX is -just- the server
21:16.32nsadminno clients: no wm, no xterm, no bk image, no nothing except gray screen and an x
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21:16.38nsadminso
21:16.43nsadminyou have a good config
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21:17.13slidesinger-ltAhh, so the wm is not configured for root, nor does it need to be.  I will backup any config that is there and put in the new.  Thanks.
21:18.06nsadminwell the wm is not called by X (it's just a client)
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21:20.05apo_laphi all. i keep getting banned from my vserv for too many conenctions per minute. where is the config that has the system wide limits of connections per minute?
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21:20.53slidesinger-ltnsadmin: Bingo.  Now I can follow the rest of the howto.  Thanks again.
21:21.11nsadminwell the wm is not called by X (it's just a client)
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21:22.00nsadminso startx calls X and x/k/gdm calls X too
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21:22.28nsadminthe difference being they also start clients which X does not
21:22.36slidesinger-ltI'll create a note to that effect and email it to the author so he can add it to the howto
21:22.37nsadmina really good read: man X
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21:26.57gawrydoes anyone knows how to fix this error?
21:26.58gawry[Sun Dec 06 16:26:50 2009] [error] [client 10.1.1.2] ALERT-SIMULATION - canary mismatch on efree() - heap overflow detected (attacker '10.1.1.2', file '/var/www/www.toqueacampainha.com.br/class/Model.class.php', line 252)
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21:27.54abrotmangawry: did you ask ##php what it means yet?
21:28.12gawryabrotman: no i didnt
21:28.24gawryabrotman: im going to do it now
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21:36.19magyarhi, wordpress on lenny. I have a conf file in /etc/wordpress called blog.domain.ca and in there a setting for $upload_path = "/srv/www/wp-uploads/blog.domain.com"
21:36.30magyarwordpress seems to ignore this setting
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21:39.05MAd_haTTeryou sure the $ should be there?
21:39.53magyarMAd_haTTer: it was generated by the default script from lenny release
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21:40.07MAd_haTTershrugs
21:40.43magyarso i should try removing it. The webinterface seems to point there also
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21:42.46yakamohi im using openbox wm, what happens if i completely remove gnome
21:42.55yakamowill it have an adverse effect on my system
21:43.31TheJoeWow, everything seems to be against British English all of a sudden
21:43.39purpleoptic?
21:43.50TheJoeThere's no official en-GB dictionary on openoffice.org, and apt is not allowing me to install any en-GB dictionaries
21:44.16TheJoeWhich is a problem since US English sucks
21:44.25pipelinelearn to love all the colors of the rainbow
21:44.30purpleopticI had the same problem in sidux strangley
21:44.31pipelineadjust your behaviour to meet modern standards
21:44.41pipelinedamnit I fucked that one up
21:44.55TheJoehttp://packages.debian.org/lenny/myspell-en-gb Incidentally - it's amazing this is only 608kb
21:45.08TheJoeThat's supposedly the English language right there
21:45.11purpleopticyep thats the one I had to install :P
21:45.15purpleopticwork's great for me
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21:45.41TheJoeIt's not working through apt, hopefully the plain ol' deb should do it
21:46.26TheJoeWhee
21:46.26abrotmanTheJoe: en-uk perhaps ?
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21:46.29TheJoeabrotman: No it's definitely GB
21:47.29TheJoeOk this has to be wrong - surely it's discernable and not "discernible"
21:48.07purpleopticapt-get install myspell-en-gb worked for me
21:48.28TheJoePackage myspell-dictionary-en-gb is not available, but is referred to by another package.
21:48.31TheJoeOh
21:48.32TheJoeHah!
21:48.34abrotmanTheJoe: how sure are you ?
21:48.35jeeves_mosscan anyone reccomend a good web baised jukebox streaming server?
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21:48.47abrotmanthere is one that plugs into mpd
21:49.28TheJoeabrotman: I'm just...sure. I don't know, my prowess in spelling is my e-penis. When something defies what I know in terms of literary academia I get a little defensive
21:49.58abrotmaneven though you don't need punctuation?
21:50.18TheJoeWait, what?
21:50.41abrotmanthought so ..
21:51.12kc8pxy:)
21:51.20TheJoeWait, what is this I don't even...what?
21:51.27toolzon my debian I get
21:51.32toolziptables v1.4.2: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?)
21:51.34toolzwhy is this
21:51.42TheJoedo you need to insmod?
21:52.25toolzdunno what do I need
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21:52.50TheJoeThe error is asking you that
21:53.01toolzI dont know.
21:53.03TheJoeI don't know what the hell insmod is, though.
21:53.20jetscreamer!insmod
21:53.20dpkgSorry, that command doesn't exist.  Surely you meant "modprobe"?  modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load.  NEVER attempt to use insmod under Linux 2.6.  Use modprobe.  Did we mention "modprobe" yet?  Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer
21:53.46TheJoeWhen it comes to iptables, I'm not much help. I managed to lock myself out of my own server for 2 hours.
21:54.09toolzI did that too so no worries.
21:54.10toolzlol
21:54.18TheJoehah!
21:54.18jetscreamerinsert module btw
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21:55.17gawryI can give $100 if someone solve a configuration error at my server
21:55.34gawry[Sun Dec 06 16:26:50 2009] [error] [client 10.1.1.2] ALERT-SIMULATION - canary mismatch on efree() - heap overflow detected (attacker '10.1.1.2', file '/var/www/www.toqueacampainha.com.br/class/Model.class.php', line 252)
21:56.03JPTalert simulation?
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21:56.15TheJoeThat is such a cool erorr
21:56.18TheJoe*error
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21:57.11abrotmangawry: did you find out what it means yet?
21:57.12dondelelcarogawry: that's suhosin
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21:57.39JPTsuhosin -> php -> ##php might help
21:57.53gawryJPT: just came from there..
21:58.00TheJoeSeriously though - ALERT SIMULATION! CANARY MISMATCH! I want that error. And I want a computer with red alarm lights on it and an imposing SHODAN voice to say it to me.
21:58.00gawryabrotman: no...
21:58.02JPTmh...okay
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21:58.25bzrkgawry: what exactly is the problem?
21:58.27toolzthis is my lsmod
21:58.28toolzhttp://pastebin.com/m1276482
21:58.35TheJoeI'm carried away - I'll get on with my work
21:59.14toolzwhats missing?
21:59.18dondelelcarogawry: and since you're in simulation mode, that's not the actual error. that's just suhosin telling you that your app is doing something that isn't right.
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21:59.54gawrybzrk: PHP cant execute ms sql queries because of suhosin
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22:00.11gawrydondelelcaro: it doesnt matter... it just doesnt work
22:00.23dondelelcarogawry: again, that's not the error
22:00.29bzrkgawry: php.ini - suhosin.simulation = off
22:00.42malshi, I'm playing with kvm and I've tryied to configure .xml for my virtual machine. Problem is, that when I try to run it via virtsh it writes: error: internal error Cannot determine QEMU argv syntax /usr/bin/kvm
22:00.43bzrkand try again
22:00.55dondelelcarogawry: assuming you've actaully got suhosin.simulation = off; in your php.ini (which is what that message indicates), it just logs
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22:01.23malsI've read that I need to upgrade to libvrt-bin from backports to solve this problem. I've done upgrade but error remains :(
22:01.24malsany idea ?
22:01.31mike484984i just installed debian testing on my laptop, and it runs really proper!
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22:01.39hikenbootcan anyone recommend any particular data recover software for debian based systems that supports raid? hopefully free?
22:01.54hikenbootalso has to support lvm?
22:01.59mike484984but im trying to get iwl3945 wifi running... all i see is wlan0, no eth alias for it
22:02.07mike484984how do i use wpa_supplicant with this?
22:02.09dondelelcaromike484984: wlan0 is it
22:02.32mike484984wpa_supplicant -c myconf -Dwext -i wlan0 fails
22:02.53dondelelcaro!doesn't work
22:02.53dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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22:03.08mike484984could not set interface 'wlan0' up
22:03.31dondelelcaromike484984: check dmesg, and see what the error message is. Most likely you haven't installed the firmware
22:03.34mike484984failed to initialize driverinterface
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22:03.59mike484984youre right
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22:04.42dondelelcaro!iwlwifi firmware
22:04.42dpkgiwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards.  Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide.  See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945).  See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <iwlwifi etch>.  #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net.
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22:07.29gawrydondelelcaro: it doesnt get much better...
22:07.32mike484984!vgamode
22:07.35gawrydondelelcaro: [Sun Dec 06 17:07:25 2009] [error] [client 10.1.1.2] ALERT - canary mismatch on efree() - heap overflow detected (attacker '10.1.1.2', file '/var/www/www.toqueacampainha.com.br/class/Model.class.php', line 252)
22:07.37mike484984!vga_mode
22:08.25dondelelcarogawry: yeah, now it's actually erroring, and changing the request
22:08.42nseIs there a way to undo the last changes made by apt-get autoremove?
22:09.00dondelelcarogawry: but regardless, it's still not the actual problem. You have a bug somewhere in the code or in the module, which is causing problems.
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22:09.02TheJoense: Reinstall the packages
22:09.25gawrydondelelcaro: the code works in another server
22:09.48nseTheJoe: But what if I don't know which packages were removed?
22:09.50bzrkgawry: did you try restarting apache? yeah i know it sounds ridiculous but have you tried?
22:09.55dondelelcarogawry: running exactly the same versions of everything?
22:09.56TheJoense: Look in syslog
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22:10.26gawrybzrk: at least a hundred times
22:10.30TheJoense: Or better than that, the apt logs
22:10.31bzrkgawry: ok
22:10.36gawrydondelelcaro: yeap...
22:10.37TheJoesudo cat /var/log/apt
22:10.54TheJoeNo wait don't do that
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22:11.08TheJoesudo cat /var/log/apt/term.log
22:11.22dondelelcarogawry: clearly not...
22:11.29TheJoense: ^
22:11.32KnuckOnecas about to correct :]
22:11.35nseOk I'll do that.
22:11.36dondelelcarogawry: or you're running it on a different architecture, and it's exposing a bug
22:11.50KnuckOnes/cas/was
22:11.54TheJoense: You'll just have to look for where you did autoremove.
22:12.12TheJoense: You might want to read it using nano instead of cat, forgot to mention that.
22:12.14bzrkgawry: maybe check your memory, it could be a defective dimm
22:12.42nseNano is really a better choice.
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22:14.28mike484984weird question... when i boot with vga=792, in 1024x768.. it uses a certain font till half way booting the kernel/services
22:14.43mike484984then it changes..... but i like the font it starts with...... how do i change that?
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22:20.16yofelhi, I have a question about apt pins and apt-cache. (I'm using ubuntu and want to find out if this is a bug) here is my output of 'apt-cache policy  firefox-3.5' with the package pinned to 'version ...' and 'Pin-Priority: 1001' http://yofel.pastebin.com/f37ebfbdd
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22:20.37nseautoremove removed some important applications like sound juicer and gthumb. i don't know what's wrong with debian today
22:20.40yofelis it supposed to show '1001' after EACH version?
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22:23.54simonrvnno, it's supposed to show "/join #ubuntu"
22:24.45icerootsimonrvn: :)
22:24.45nseTheJoe: That wasn't an easy way to do this.
22:25.19nseBecause the packages are not in a way which I can input into the cml.
22:25.44yofelsimonrvn: I just want to know if it behaves the same in debian since I don't have a debian setup right now to test it on. And if it's supposed to look like that
22:25.49TheJoeClick, drag, select, right click, copy, sudo apt-get install <Right click, paste>
22:26.13simonrvnyofel: so why didn't you just ask that? :)
22:26.13themillyofel: you got your libapt from ubuntu so please talk to them about it.
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22:26.32TheJoeOh - put the copied packages into a text editor and make sure they're all on one line before you paste them into Terminal
22:26.41simonrvnyofel: though it's quite impossible in that case because debian doesn't ship firefox at all.
22:27.07yofelsimonrvn: it happens with any package... try rott if you want
22:27.11TheJoense: Oh! You didn't mention what it removed
22:27.16TheJoense: sudo apt-get install gnome
22:27.29TheJoense: Well you did, I just didn't see it
22:28.24simonrvnyofel: i have custom pinning
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22:29.28nseTheJoe: Look at this: "Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not yet been created or been moved out of Incoming." I am on testing. This is some output from install gnome.
22:29.31yofelok, thx anyway
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22:29.55nseAnd: "The following packages have unmet dependencies: gnome: Depends: gnome-desktop-environment (= 1:2.26+0) but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages"
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22:30.01TheJoense: sudo aptitude install gnome?
22:30.38mike484984m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel-2.6.30.2-amd64-source ... > fail
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22:30.50TheJoeWait - 2.26?
22:31.11mike484984what am i doing wrong?
22:31.13mike484984!nvidia
22:31.14dpkgTo use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers.  If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work.  Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>.  Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net).
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22:31.34abrotmanyou should msg the bot ?
22:32.11mike484984im already reading that page....
22:32.13TheJoense: Are you definitely using lenny?
22:32.17mike484984im on testing btw
22:32.30nseTheJoe: It said some packages are broken. It tried to install some packages but it didn't work,
22:32.33nseYes I am.
22:32.52TheJoense: Can you just pastebin your sources.list? I'm pretty sure 2.26 isn't the latest in lenny
22:33.58simonrvnit is
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22:34.09mike484984lol.. i just had to copy over > m-a auto-install nvidia-kernel${VERSION}-source
22:34.20mike484984instead of placing the uname string in it.....
22:34.34mike484984!networkmanager
22:34.34dpkgNetworkManager: Network management framework daemon.  Squeeze/testing users: ask me about <nm squeeze>.  See /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian for setup instructions.  Backported 0.7.1 packages available, ask me about <bpo>.  http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager  http://live.gnome.org/DarrenAlbers/NetworkManagerFAQ  http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/  #nm on irc.freenode.net.  See also <wireless connection managers>.
22:34.36TheJoesimonrvn: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/gnome-desktop-environment
22:34.39nseTheJoe: http://pastebin.com/m2f4d3413
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22:34.45abrotmanmike484984: msg the freaking bot
22:34.56nseIsn't the testing version squeeze?
22:34.57TheJoense: That's Squeeze, not lenny
22:34.57mike484984!nm squeeze
22:34.57dpkgWired network interfaces are not managed by default as of network-manager 0.7.1-1.  See http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager#NetworkManagerinSqueeze and http://bugs.debian.org/530024 for further details.
22:35.02TheJoense: Yes
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22:35.07TheJoense: Lenny is the current stable
22:35.09*** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman
22:35.12abrotmanmike484984: please msg the bot
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22:35.15simonrvnTheJoe: that's the meta-package
22:35.17TheJoeSqueeze is disgustingly broken, or not broken
22:35.25TheJoesimonrvn: Yeah but it's still not 2.26
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22:35.50simonrvnmy point is that that doesn't matter. look at something like gnome-panel instead.
22:35.56nseOk. I am on testing. But I thought this wasn't a common situation.
22:36.08TheJoeOn a testing OS, it is
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22:36.34nseWell, how can I fix the broken packages, then?
22:36.36TheJoesimonrvn: The meta package would correspond with the current
22:36.46TheJoense: Install Lenny over Squeeze
22:36.50simonrvnnot always ;)
22:36.57Adetasanyone has some pointers for problems with installing debian via usb on a netbook, where the system gets installed on /dev/sdb1 (the hd) and the usb i /dev/sda1 - grub gets installed on sda, and if i choose to manually install bootloader to sdb, it is still crazy when booting without usb, since the hd then ends up on /dev/sda? can't get it to work, grrr.
22:36.58pobegaIs it bug-worthy is a package distributes a binary without a manpage?
22:37.00TheJoense: I hope you weren't getting too comfortable
22:37.15simonrvnin this case it would seem so. my mistake
22:37.26nseIsn't there a way to simple fix them via apt, dpkg or something?
22:37.37TheJoeNo, you'd end up mixing repositories
22:37.45TheJoeAnd I know from experience that that's bad
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22:38.00nseThis is terrorism.
22:38.01simonrvnpobega: yes
22:38.15nseI've been using testing for years and it never happened.
22:38.26simonrvnnse: lemme tel you about terrorism before you go using that word lightly again.
22:38.27TheJoeIt's being changed all the time
22:38.32TheJoeThat's why it's terrorism
22:38.33TheJoeErr
22:38.35TheJoeUnstable
22:38.36abrotmannse: this has happened numerous times before
22:38.36TheJoeOops
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22:39.20simonrvncountless
22:39.26TheJoeInfinite
22:39.26ryanCHis it true that linux uses the noise from hardware to generate random numbers?
22:39.48abrotmannoise? like static?
22:39.51TheJoeryanCH: cat /dev/urandom
22:39.53maligorryanCH, in a way, it collects entropy from devices
22:40.02TheJoeryanCH: Be in for a destroyed CPU though
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22:40.17ryanCHhmm, interesting.
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22:40.39maligorit's not 'noise' but just normal operation data
22:40.49TheJoeabrotman: Thought you were gonna give me the banhammer for tellign someoen to cat urandom then :o
22:40.56ryanCHi see
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22:41.47TheJoeAnd it works on a Mac so you can confuse the fanboys
22:42.48nseI'll hold this. I am sure the guys on there will illuminate testing once again.
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22:43.11TheJoense: I would just recommend going back to Lenny
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22:43.38nseTheJoe: How I would do this, btw?
22:43.55TheJoense: You'd download a lenny CD, and then reformat your hard drive
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22:44.13TheJoense: Remember to back up
22:44.14nse(Y)
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22:45.13TheJoeIn future, don't run an unstable OS as your primary OS. Those warnings aren't there for nothing.
22:46.13jetscreamerwhat i like is how they break sh... stuff and then release it as stable :o
22:46.17KnuckOneyeah, sns is evil :]
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22:48.25TheJoeI do want GNOME 2.28 though
22:48.34TheJoeTabbed browsing in Nautilus is just that convinient
22:48.38TheJoeDammit
22:48.43TheJoeI can never spell that word
22:48.50jetscreamerien
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22:49.15TheJoejetscreamer: I'll have to remember that
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22:49.20jetscreameri 'think'
22:49.21jetscreamer:)
22:49.31themilleh? tabbed file management has only just come to nautilus? konqueror's had that for 7 years or so....
22:49.32TheJoeI went down a whole grade in an Englis assignment because of those really dodgy words
22:49.50TheJoeDammit. ENGLISH. An *ENGLISH* assignment
22:49.51julianoliveranyone know a way to reduce the 'awake from sleep' delay of laptop-mode without increasing the idle timeout period?
22:50.32TheJoethemill: Yeah, I just don't fancy KDE that much
22:50.47rgrpcmanfm has tabs and is far faster than nautilus.
22:51.12TheJoeI'm not changing now! I've been with Nautilus since '06. It's grown on me
22:51.31julianoliverKDE is performant but sill looks bloody awful, OOTB, after all these years.
22:52.12julianoliverthe new 'tabbed everything' addition looks useful in itself.
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22:53.52TheJoeI'm quite nostalgic for KDE 3. I used that when I was an intrepid Linux EXPLORER rather than a USER
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22:54.31nsedrops shit on the fan
22:54.32TheJoesudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop caused hell
22:54.36korhojoa_:D
22:55.07julianoliverwell IMO desktop environments are a dead metaphor. gnome and KDE will become increasingly irrelevant in the next 5-10 years.
22:55.41TheJoeWe shall all go back to a CLI
22:56.35jetscreamerwoody was the last true os
22:56.46julianoliverTheJoe: no, the Linux UIs people, in any number, will be using will be built on QT and perhaps GTK, rolled together by companies like Google, HTC and Nokia. Gnome and KDE will recede from what little importance they have now.
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22:57.48TheJoejulianoliver: If we're following Google's example, a Desktop Environment will just be a web browser.
22:58.08julianoliverindeed. for better and for worse.
22:58.14themillsuspects this would be better in #debian-offtopic
22:58.26julianoliveryou're probably right.
22:58.29julianolivergets on with some work.
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22:58.48dominiqhello folks
22:58.49TheJoeYeah, I started on this assignment two hours ago. You're so distracting, #debian!
22:59.15dominiqis it possible to use iptables to forward a specific public port or better yet a range of ports to some port/service listening on localhost?
22:59.19TheJoeI intended to play Doom after finishing this. Now it's getting too late
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22:59.56Z41dhi
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23:00.14Z41dhow can i startx without a screen
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23:01.48jetscreameryou mean w/o a monitor, or what
23:02.48Z41djetscreamer> yup
23:03.31Z41di want to startx remotely  without a moniter being plugged in the server
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23:04.14julianoliverZ41d: try xvfb
23:04.33julianoliverZ41d: dumb framebuffer using virtual memory
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23:05.37julianoliverZ41d: but yeah, if you're using Xforwarding over SSH, no need for X at all on the actual host.
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23:05.53julianoliverjust fwd the X session to the remote client.
23:05.58Z41dyes i know but i want the whole desktop being displayed
23:06.11julianolivertry the above package then.
23:06.22Z41di jsut have to install it?
23:06.58Z41dno configuration is needed?
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23:17.41djp_if i receive a "snd_alloc..." message in relation to an audio app, is this logged anywhere (/var/log/? for instance) or would i need to run a debug option for the specific app to find out more information relating to the error?
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23:20.27TheJoehttp://pastebin.com/m4f76d711 wat
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23:21.14themillTheJoe: is the rest of your OOo from backports.org?
23:21.25TheJoethemill: That'll be it
23:21.40hikenbootcan anyone recommend data recovery program for linux ext3 partitions on LVM?
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23:24.41freckledpbeen away from computers for a while so I've forgotten much :P.  Can someone tell me how to figure out which wifi chipset this laptop has?
23:25.08themill!what's my wireless
23:25.09dpkgInstall the 'hwinfo' package and execute "/usr/sbin/hwinfo --wlan", or http://linux-wless.passys.nl/, or ask me about <whats my hardware>.  See also <wireless>.
23:25.23themillfreckledp: although "lspci" is often sufficient
23:25.23freckledptyvm, themill
23:26.07freckledphaha, lspci...4 years is too long
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23:28.40themillfreckledp: "lspci -nn" ftw.
23:29.08freckledpthemill: just lspci did fine
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23:31.08TheBlunderbussI'm trying to run openoffice.org -base. That command exits without error, except base never actually runs.
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23:36.52hikenbootanyone please with a recommendation of data recovery software? lvm2 raid 1 ?
23:38.17jpinx-eeepchikenboot: what's lost and how did you lose it?
23:39.37hikenbootreinstalled /boot and / but not /home or my /video directorys...i am sure i didnt reformat these two partitions I was exceedingly careful but my /video lvm partition was to be mounted NOT FORMATED but it seems to have done it anyways
23:40.22Rusty1http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8874 not sure that will help
23:40.43jetscreamermount && fdisk -l
23:41.05hikenbootit is mounted and it comes up empty
23:42.27jetscreameri know nothing of lvm
23:42.48jpinx-eeepchikenboot: sounds like the partition table has been re-written a biit differently
23:43.42jpinx-eeepchikenboot: did you make a copy before you started?
23:44.19hikenbootif I did I wouldnt be in this mess...I didnt have another hard drive I figured if i told it to leave it alone it would have
23:44.52jpinx-eeepcI mean - did you copy the partition table before you started?
23:45.11hikenbootno i did not...how would i do that with dd?
23:45.39jpinx-eeepcwrite it down on a piece of paper ;)
23:46.08jpinx-eeepcanyway - you need to find the old partitions start points
23:46.43hikenbootI honestly installed on one lvm partition but it detected all the lvm partittions and i specificly told it not to touch that one
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23:47.03hikenbootso your saying the starting points are slightly different now?
23:47.24jpinx-eeepcI presume so - it is unlikely that the data is actually wiped
23:47.45jpinx-eeepcbut it is not accessible till you locate the start of the partition
23:47.48hikenbootok got directions on that you can point me to
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23:48.16jpinx-eeepchikenboot: giyf
23:48.37hikenbootgify? sorry?
23:48.46jpinx-eeepchikenboot: I had some success just fishing for it on a problem I had - but it took a lot of time
23:48.52jpinx-eeepcGoogle is your friend
23:49.54hikenbootI found somthing called testdisk for recovery but its very unself explainitory and it doesnt actually show me what it found except that its an lvm partition ( ie it doesnt show me the data before I commit to it
23:50.20jetscreamerback the damn thing up before you jack with it
23:50.23jpinx-eeepchikenboot: copy "everything" before you start messing
23:50.23jetscreamerrule #1
23:50.53jpinx-eeepcanyone else going to join the "backup-now" chorus ? :)
23:51.40jetscreamerdd it somewhere... no room? go buy an hd.
23:52.08jetscreameror be prepared to wail and gnash teeth
23:52.09jpinx-eeepc totally agrees
23:52.37jpinx-eeepchikenboot: your first mistake was not making a backup - don't repeat your mistake
23:53.07hikenbootok let me ask this should I be pointing testdisk to md1 or the lvm partition that it currently shows?
23:53.25jetscreamerknows nothing of lvm
23:53.26hikenbootI will dd it somewhere
23:53.28hikenbootnot sure
23:53.43jetscreameri know a bit about losing data though :/
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23:54.01jpinx-eeepcdd copies it bit by bit - so it is not caring about lvm or whatever
23:54.32jetscreamerideally you would work on the copy, also
23:54.40jetscreamerbut ...
23:54.43jpinx-eeepchikenboot: so dd it onto a same size hard drive
23:55.48hikenbootok i just might break the raid one and then do the data recovery
23:56.00hikenbootdisconnect one of them
23:56.25jetscreameryou get to keep all the pieces if it 'breaks' .... g'luck :)
23:57.51hikenbootI must get me some money for equipment....lets see equipment or food equipment or food...ah i get it ...equipment
23:58.29jpinx-eeepcwhat is your raid thingie - duplicate data on the 2 drives?
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23:58.48jetscreameryou have the rest of your life to do it right. it only takes a short time to mess it up and lost everything. up2u
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23:59.14hikenbootyes whole system setup on 3 lvm raid one partitions one / /home and /video

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