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| 00:00.30 | jpinx-eeepc | http://www.freebyte.com/filediskutils/#datarecovery |
| 00:00.31 | jpinx-eeepc | hikenboot: ^^ |
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| 00:02.16 | jpinx-eeepc | http://www.data-recovery-software.net/Linux_Recovery.shtml |
| 00:02.17 | jpinx-eeepc | hikenboot: ^^ |
| 00:03.07 | jpinx-eeepc | hikenboot: I told you that google is your friend ;) |
| 00:03.12 | hikenboot | that second one is a windows executable |
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| 00:03.55 | jpinx-eeepc | hikenboot: you google then - I am not reading the detail |
| 00:04.37 | hikenboot | no i am not being a jerk just telling you what i found |
| 00:04.54 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders if it'd run under wine....;) |
| 00:05.07 | hikenboot | I was thinking the same thing |
| 00:05.30 | Rusty1 | http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/linux-lotus-domino/recovering-files-from-an-lvm-or-ext3-partition-with-testdisk/ |
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| 00:05.49 | Rusty1 | that one has screenshots |
| 00:06.21 | jpinx-eeepc | shoots hikenboot 's screen |
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| 00:06.41 | perr0 | I would like to download and install bedian tonight and would like to know which cd/dvd will I need to get started? I don't want to download all of them,,, |
| 00:06.51 | perr0 | Debian**' |
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| 00:07.04 | jpinx-eeepc | perr0: youcould do a netinstall with a tiny initial download |
| 00:07.22 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell perr0 about netinstall |
| 00:07.54 | jpinx-eeepc | perr0: or just donwload the first CD to give you a base system and then add what you want |
| 00:08.09 | hikenboot | Rusty1, thanks for that link that might be a big help! |
| 00:08.34 | Rusty1 | i'm splitting my fee with jpinx-eeepc |
| 00:08.43 | perr0 | jpinx-eeepc: thanks, which one of the two is faster? Probably the first cd? |
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| 00:08.57 | markybob | perr0, no. netinst is fastest |
| 00:09.19 | jpinx-eeepc | perr0: you will always have to download the packages you want - bu the netinstall will get you started right away. |
| 00:09.24 | dominiq | what is the proper method of killing a process by its pid? |
| 00:09.33 | perr0 | ok I will give that a try. Thanks for the link |
| 00:09.38 | markybob | dominiq, kill -KILL pid |
| 00:09.39 | jpinx-eeepc | dominiq: kill <pid> |
| 00:09.46 | dominiq | so not kill -9, right? |
| 00:09.56 | markybob | dominiq, -9 and -KILL are the same |
| 00:09.59 | jpinx-eeepc | not unless it refuses to die ;) |
| 00:10.04 | dominiq | it's a little service working with local mysql, i don't want any data to be lost |
| 00:10.18 | themill | !kill-9 |
| 00:10.18 | jpinx-eeepc | dominiq: don't kill it then |
| 00:10.18 | dpkg | Do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead If you didn't write the code, you probably don't want to use kill -9. |
| 00:10.21 | dominiq | it will auto-restart 2 secs after killing |
| 00:10.40 | dominiq | thank you themill |
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| 00:11.12 | dominiq | should i dig into the diff between kill -15 and kill -2? |
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| 00:11.17 | ddalton | hey how do i convert a jpg image with convert on the command line to a compressed image format, so its suitable for use on a web page? |
| 00:11.26 | jpinx-eeepc | dominiq: man kill ;) |
| 00:11.32 | dominiq | jpinx-eeepc yeee :) |
| 00:11.35 | markybob | ddalton, um, jpg is almost always compressed |
| 00:11.42 | abrotman | ddalton: jpg is compressed |
| 00:11.45 | themill | ddalton: jpg is a compressed image format that is suitable for a web page |
| 00:11.50 | ddalton | but its somethig like 3.3 mb, is there a better format to use |
| 00:11.53 | abrotman | ddalton: i think you want to resize it or resample it |
| 00:11.55 | ddalton | in that case? |
| 00:12.03 | jpinx-eeepc | ddalton: you probably want to resize for webpages - use gimp or imagemagik |
| 00:12.04 | ddalton | yes |
| 00:12.15 | dominiq | or you want to decrese color-depth |
| 00:12.22 | ddalton | so imagemagic, would i use the convert tool? |
| 00:12.23 | dominiq | or res |
| 00:12.31 | jpinx-eeepc | uses gimp |
| 00:12.37 | dominiq | your jpg is prolly 300DPI now... you need just 72DPI for screen |
| 00:12.40 | abrotman | you can use imagemagick/convert |
| 00:12.47 | themill | ddalton: imagemagick's convert can change the "quality" and also the size, both of which you want to fiddle with for this. |
| 00:13.28 | ddalton | mmm |
| 00:13.42 | jpinx-eeepc | ddalton: I find that gimp let's me see what it'll look like before I commit |
| 00:13.52 | hikenboot | thanks everyone ...Going to get started now |
| 00:14.07 | ddalton | do i need -support option? |
| 00:14.08 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: you can just use convert and specify the output file .. |
| 00:14.10 | jpinx-eeepc | good luck |
| 00:14.30 | themill | dominiq: btw 72dpi screens aren't really what most web browsers are displayed on these days |
| 00:14.38 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: yes - but then you have to open the output file and look at it - in gimp it happens to the thing you'r e looking at |
| 00:15.11 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: or you could know what you're doing and just trust the output? :) |
| 00:15.18 | jpinx-eeepc | 72 dpi would be really coarse |
| 00:15.31 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: ah - that would be the professional way :) |
| 00:15.47 | jpinx-eeepc | which is why I use gimp :D |
| 00:16.33 | zinx | notes that none of the web browsers pay any attention whatsoever to the "dpi" listed in the image - only the size in pixels |
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| 00:17.20 | ddalton | is blind so no point using gimp |
| 00:17.24 | jpinx-eeepc | zinx: is correct -- I resize by pixels - bearing in mind the users screen size I am aiming at |
| 00:18.05 | dominiq | is ctrl-c sending SIG just same as kill -15 does? |
| 00:18.06 | ddalton | the html is is 400 by 300 |
| 00:18.13 | BleSS | is the same to use with dd: *bs=8 count=64* than *bs=64 count=8* ? |
| 00:18.14 | ddalton | so do i just use these values in convert |
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| 00:18.17 | dominiq | err TERM* |
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| 00:18.34 | jpinx-eeepc | there is nothing more annoying than images in a webpage that were designed by some "professional" designer ona huge screen and i have to side-scroll on my screen |
| 00:19.24 | jpinx-eeepc | ddalton: if the <img src="...> tag has a size stipulated, make the image that size |
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| 00:20.12 | illuminati | hi |
| 00:20.20 | illuminati | I have a question, I've done "chmod 4777 /bin/bash" as root, then as a normal user do /bin/bash but I don't get a root shell, does anyone why ? |
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| 00:20.42 | ddalton | thanks so i use the |
| 00:20.51 | ddalton | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.59 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell illuminati about sudo |
| 00:21.22 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell illuminati about su |
| 00:21.31 | illuminati | jpinx-eeepc I know about sudo but I don't know why that doesn't happend |
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| 00:22.38 | jpinx-eeepc | illuminati: I'd guess because it's a silly way to do it - but others will know more than me |
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| 00:22.45 | MoDaX | dominiq: SIGINT |
| 00:22.58 | sepult | can someone tell me from which package /etc/X11/Xresources |
| 00:22.58 | sepult | originates ? |
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| 00:23.10 | sepult | is it kdm ? |
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| 00:23.48 | sepult | if so where do the /etc/X11/Xresources.d/* files come from ? are |
| 00:23.48 | sepult | they distro specific ? |
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| 00:24.00 | jpinx-eeepc | sepult: dpkg -S |
| 00:24.38 | sepult | jpinx-eeepc: thank you, but i'm trying to build xserver and kdm |
| 00:24.38 | sepult | in lfs, though i don't find the same files in /etc/X11 that's why i |
| 00:24.38 | sepult | ask |
| 00:25.35 | jpinx-eeepc | sepult: I did dpkg -S /etc/X11/* and got lots of goodies~~~ |
| 00:25.36 | sepult | and i meant /etc/X11/Xsession sorry |
| 00:26.05 | themill | zinx: good point, but that's not what most people mean by dpi (they have a fixed image size in cm/inches in mind and want to think about how it is resampled). The difference leads to the sort of hilarity included in http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=4499 |
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| 00:26.23 | RichiH | the INPUT chain for iptables does _only_ concern incomming connections and _not_ anything forwarded like NAT & routed subnets, correct?> |
| 00:27.43 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: what a bug ;) |
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| 00:28.39 | themill | jpinx-eeepc: particularly as I've been working around it for 7 years with export-to-pdf then convert to png with imagemagick... |
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| 00:31.36 | Tramp | RichiH: basically yes, though (1) NAT could result in a packet for the local host (2) "incoming packets for this host" not incoming connectinos (i.e. also incoming packets from outgoing connections) |
| 00:32.42 | Tramp | RichiH: in other words: INPUT chain is for packets destined for "this host" (as determined by the routing decision) |
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| 00:33.27 | ddalton | thanks, just use -resize |
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| 00:41.44 | RichiH | Tramp: well, yes. basically, i need to drop for any packet which is sent directly to any IP on a given host |
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| 00:51.14 | dominiq | which kill # is ctrl-c sending to a process? |
| 00:51.19 | dominiq | is it kill -2 or else? |
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| 00:52.33 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 00:53.05 | pickcoder | dominiq: yes.. SIGINT is #2 |
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| 00:54.10 | dominiq | thank you pickcoder |
| 00:54.51 | dominiq | so it is relatively safe to use kill -2 to remove a process without data loss? i'm in need of killing (periodically) a small service that is using mysql for some read/write |
| 00:55.19 | dominiq | so far ctrl-c never broke anything when stopping it that way |
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| 00:56.25 | themill | dominiq: there's a "mysqladmin shutdown" command that's designed to do exactly this for you |
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| 00:58.40 | dominiq | themill i meant that i run a small program that is connecting and exchanging data with mysqld |
| 00:58.52 | dominiq | that needs to be killed periodically |
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| 01:01.06 | themill | ahh, that's a much less risky proposition then. You probably want to still do some signal handling in it to make sure you're not killing it in the middle of doing some faked-transaction-thing (i.e. multiple inserts/updates that should be done as a transaction but aren't because you're dealing with mysql here) |
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| 01:03.00 | pickcoder | dominiq: yeah, if the application is not trapping signals then it could get killed abruptly |
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| 01:03.32 | pickcoder | or, in some cases, it traps and ignores SIGINT |
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| 01:08.27 | dominiq | thank you pickcoder |
| 01:09.03 | dominiq | themill yes.. that's exactly what i'm worried about... |
| 01:09.09 | Aethelred | I want to use OpenType fonts. I live in the Debian world (Ubuntu). I can't find anything that describes, definitively, where to stash them, and how to make the system (and other apps) aware of them. Lil' help? |
| 01:09.19 | abrotman | Aethelred: you should ask #ubuntu |
| 01:09.23 | Aethelred | I did. |
| 01:09.27 | abrotman | then wait |
| 01:09.37 | abrotman | this channel is for Debian support, not every distro based on Debian |
| 01:09.41 | Aethelred | I got people trying to help, but not really having an answer. |
| 01:09.51 | abrotman | use #ubuntu or ##linux |
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| 01:10.32 | Aethelred | abrotman: using a Debian derivative precludes me from getting help on #debian? |
| 01:10.38 | abrotman | This channel is for Debian support .. you're not using Debian |
| 01:10.56 | Aethelred | ok. |
| 01:11.01 | rgr | Aethelred: google up debian and open type fonts and see if that can help. |
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| 01:11.22 | abrotman | Aethelred: if you continue here, you can be silenced for being offtopic |
| 01:11.26 | Aethelred | rgr: I have already done quite a lot of googling and reading. |
| 01:12.02 | abrotman | and this is where the conversation goes back to #ubuntu, thank you |
| 01:12.18 | rgr | I know its hard at times. Very good chance same handling as base Debian but at end of day .... |
| 01:12.36 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Aethelred about based on debian |
| 01:13.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Aethelred: solve your problem - install debian ;) |
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| 01:13.36 | Aethelred | I used Debian for 6 years. Now I've danced with the new, cute, girl and none of my old friends will talk to me. |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | bye! |
| 01:13.54 | jpinx-eeepc | traitor! |
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| 01:14.44 | abrotman | xororand: thank you |
| 01:14.55 | xororand | abrotman: you're welcome! |
| 01:14.59 | abrotman | oh wait .. different URL ? |
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| 01:18.37 | Aethelred | jpinx-eeepc: Well, that's a reasonable suggestion. After I install debian (probably stable), where should I look to install OpenType fonts? |
| 01:18.59 | rgr | Interesting. That got me looking here: http://fonts.debian.net/ |
| 01:19.06 | rgr | No mentin of where to put them. Just a big zip file. |
| 01:19.10 | Aethelred | chex it out. |
| 01:19.30 | themill | blames tarzeau |
| 01:19.31 | jpinx-eeepc | Aethelred: come back when you have theinstall done ;) |
| 01:19.49 | rgr | jpinx-eeepc: ok, you can tell me. Tehre is no mention there. |
| 01:19.56 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 01:20.19 | rgr | Do you know? |
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| 01:20.44 | themill | All of those fonts are in the debian archive. Just aptitude isntall the appropriate package |
| 01:20.46 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr: if you had to google - I certainly don't know |
| 01:20.57 | themill | makes rgr actually read the page he linked to |
| 01:21.11 | rgr | it said they wer ein sid. I dont have sid. |
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| 01:21.22 | Zosimos | i'm pondering upgrading to debian, is there a linux application similar to unetbootin? i'd prefer a usb boot |
| 01:21.40 | Aethelred | I already have the fonts. I actually paid for them. They are OpenType. |
| 01:22.02 | rgr | jpinx-eeepc: oh, the way you told him to come back after the install I assumed you actually knew about fonts. Sorry. Yes, I can google too more. |
| 01:22.02 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell Zosimos about netinstall |
| 01:22.18 | Aethelred | jpinx-eeepc: I have another box with Debian on it. |
| 01:22.20 | Zosimos | thanks |
| 01:22.29 | Aethelred | It's the one I used daily until I built a new one. |
| 01:23.00 | Aethelred | If I have to go back to that one as a desktop, I will. I don't need my new speedy processor as much as I need to use these fonts. |
| 01:23.06 | jpinx-eeepc | Zosimos: and yes - there are options - see install in debian.org |
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| 01:23.55 | TheBlunderbuss | Any idea why openoffice.org-base doesn't work for me? All the dependencies and the suggested packages are installed. Other aspects of the software work (writer, impress, draw), but not base. |
| 01:24.14 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr: even if they are in only in sid - they are possibly backport-able |
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| 01:24.34 | jpinx-eeepc | TheBlunderbuss: are you using aptitude? |
| 01:24.41 | TheBlunderbuss | apt |
| 01:24.42 | rgr | err, possibly. But what that has to do with where I should put them is not clear to me. |
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| 01:24.50 | Zosimos | also, i'd like to understand if debian will easily detect my wireless network on this hp laptop. i'm using irssi, is there a command to display specs? |
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| 01:25.00 | jpinx-eeepc | rgr: let aptitude "put" them ;) |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | Zosimos: depends on the card .. use lspci to see what it is |
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| 01:25.11 | themill | rgr: how often do you have to specify where to install things when you "aptitude install foo"? |
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| 01:25.21 | abrotman | yay for meta-support |
| 01:25.33 | rgr | themill: they are in sid. Its a new zip. |
| 01:25.40 | jpinx-eeepc | TheBlunderbuss: use aptitude ;) |
| 01:25.43 | Zosimos | ill pastebin it |
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| 01:26.06 | themill | rgr: which specific font are we talking about? |
| 01:26.13 | abrotman | the ubuntu ones .. |
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| 01:26.21 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: it was forr Aethelred |
| 01:26.34 | rgr | forget it. I just want to put all the fonts somewhere where gnome can see them and I can browse them. |
| 01:26.49 | Zosimos | http://pastebin.com/m2ca12aad |
| 01:27.04 | themill | rgr: I realise that "aptitude install packagename" is far less fun than whinging about things, so I'll just leave you to it. |
| 01:27.20 | abrotman | Zosimos: does the system have network currently ? |
| 01:27.28 | rgr | themill: I'm not sure what part of "sid" and "new zip" is confusing you, so please do leave it. Thanks. |
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| 01:27.49 | abrotman | Zosimos: `lspci -nn` would actually be more useful probably .. i should have said that, but if the system has network, do an 'update-pciids' first |
| 01:28.10 | Zosimos | no, it's currently modem wired. i tried using wireless network near places i knew i couhttp://pastebin.com/m2ca12aadld. but with no luck on ubuntu |
| 01:28.22 | Zosimos | uh |
| 01:28.26 | abrotman | Zosimos: are yo uusing Debian or ubuntu ? |
| 01:28.27 | themill | rgr: I'm not sure which bit of "also in lenny" you don't get either. |
| 01:28.27 | TheBlunderbuss | jpinx-eeepc: Negative. |
| 01:28.30 | Zosimos | ubuntu |
| 01:28.34 | Aethelred | themill: the original question was about OpenType fonts, generally. |
| 01:28.35 | abrotman | Zosimos: go to #ubuntu |
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| 01:28.46 | Zosimos | i want to try debian tho |
| 01:28.50 | abrotman | Aethelred: you've been warned, take it to #ubuntu |
| 01:28.52 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf? |
| 01:29.05 | abrotman | Zosimos: which OS are you currently trying to fix ? |
| 01:29.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Aethelred: you are working in ubuntu - go there - please |
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| 01:29.49 | Aethelred | abrotman: I was serious about doing it on my old system if that was what it took. I have no idea if it would even be the same method. I have a problem I want to solve. I can use Debian to solve it. Is this the place for that? |
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| 01:30.01 | abrotman | Aethelred: either install Debian or go to #ubuntu |
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| 01:30.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Aethelred: please note that all that has happened is you have made other people google for you |
| 01:30.13 | abrotman | or don't talk about it again ... |
| 01:30.13 | rgr | jpinx-eeepc: please. give us all a break. abrotman doesnt need you backing him up. |
| 01:30.17 | Zosimos | i wanna try debian |
| 01:30.18 | themill | Aethelred: Please go to #ubuntu for ubuntu support. We've been around this block enough times. |
| 01:30.27 | Zosimos | so i'm here |
| 01:30.29 | abrotman | rgr: give jpinx-eeepc a break .. he doesn't need you telling him what to do |
| 01:31.01 | rgr | lol. The irony. As pleasent as ever. I'll leave it to you. Aethelred : I'll msg you the way. |
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| 01:31.22 | jpinx-eeepc | Zosimos: what chipset is your wifi - the debian installer is pretty good~ |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | it's atheros |
| 01:31.36 | Zosimos | http://pastebin.com/m2ca12aad |
| 01:31.48 | abrotman | but we need lspci -nn to know exactly which one |
| 01:32.03 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - not all atehros play nicely |
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| 01:33.01 | liable | thats an n one, needs ath9k |
| 01:33.09 | WormFood | I'm looking for a good reliable debian based vps...anyone have any suggestions? I'm almost afraid to change, since my current host has been reliable, but sadly they use centos (yech!), and it just sucks |
| 01:33.14 | Zosimos | http://pastebin.com/m4c692990 |
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| 01:34.01 | abrotman | !hosting |
| 01:34.02 | dpkg | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianHosting |
| 01:34.15 | abrotman | judd: pciid 168c:002b |
| 01:34.17 | judd | abrotman: [168c:002b] is 'AR9285 Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express)' from 'Atheros Communications Inc.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'ath9k' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=168c:002b http://wiki.debian.org/ath9k |
| 01:34.21 | abrotman | awesome |
| 01:34.28 | abrotman | he'll have to use kmuto if he wants it to work |
| 01:34.29 | liable | noones listens.. |
| 01:34.37 | themill | !comfort liable |
| 01:34.38 | dpkg | There, there, liable. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman | how does he know it's 'n' by "Unknown device" ? |
| 01:35.03 | liable | by 002b.. |
| 01:35.09 | liable | it was in his first paste |
| 01:35.12 | WormFood | that is just a list abrotman...thanks, but I'm looking for feedback...you know, reliability, and stuff like that. |
| 01:35.34 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell WormFood about polls |
| 01:35.44 | abrotman | at least he's using tell ... :) |
| 01:35.52 | jpinx-eeepc | :p |
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| 01:36.39 | WormFood | it is not really a poll per se, just looking for someone else's personal experience |
| 01:37.00 | jpinx-eeepc | wonders what the difference is |
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| 01:37.25 | obcecado | isnt that debianhosting page a BIT outdated ? hosting w debian 3.1 listed there |
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| 01:37.58 | jpinx-eeepc | obcecado: I know of a hosting company running VPS's on a sarge host |
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| 01:38.41 | abrotman | and they're listed on that page |
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| 01:38.50 | bizarrefish | lo, all |
| 01:39.00 | jorizma | My Radeon 9800 Pro just bit the dust, so I dusted off the old G400MAX and put it in the machine.. it works, but I don't get DRM because it looks like the driver is busted. Any ideas? (this is a lenny machine) |
| 01:39.14 | abrotman | the matrox ? |
| 01:39.18 | jorizma | yeah |
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| 01:40.30 | jorizma | I get DMA mapping errors in the log |
| 01:40.55 | jorizma | and anything trying to use acceleration will boot me back to a login prompt |
| 01:41.04 | bizarrefish | y'know debian has a billion architectures(about 12).... well, say for the ARM port: ARM in itself is simply a CPU core. what does debian-armel assume the system's structure to be in terms of peripherals, mmus etc..? I mean, nowadays, x86 is pretty synonymous with IBM PC, which is in itself a whole-system architecture. ARM doesn't really have that afaik. |
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| 01:41.54 | jorizma | I dont know much about arm but I assume it just has a bus like x86 |
| 01:42.02 | jmarsden | bizarrefish: Did you read the docs? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/arm/ |
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| 01:42.12 | themill | bizarrefish: http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort |
| 01:42.44 | bizarrefish | jorizma, i meant that ARM is simply a CPU architecture, and doesn't define anything about the whole machine. it doesn't even define an MMU. |
| 01:42.46 | bizarrefish | reads |
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| 01:43.47 | jorizma | well libc probably sets up the base assumptions |
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| 01:45.17 | bizarrefish | jmarsden, ah-hah, i see. thanks alot people :) |
| 01:45.29 | bizarrefish | i really should have seen that before |
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| 01:47.24 | jorizma | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m5da0f233 http://pastebin.com/m3739cc5c |
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| 01:47.38 | khaije|selen | anyone using samba4 ? im looking for pointers for setting up a guestonly public share |
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| 01:48.29 | abrotman | jorizma: did i ask a question ? |
| 01:49.09 | jorizma | yes actually! |
| 01:49.42 | abrotman | well, not much of one |
| 01:49.56 | abrotman | and pastebin.com isn't coming up |
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| 02:02.07 | abrotman | jorizma: any BIOS options you can try ? |
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| 02:08.58 | mercutio22 | I use a program which is not resuming after suspend. This thread describes a script to call the program back to life after suspend (please see post 4 on http://www.g15tools.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=113). Now I would like to create a script to call another program (g15stats). Should I create another script or edit the first one? |
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| 02:10.52 | jorizma | I rebooted to the default kernel (2.6.26) and it works there. There's a driver I want that's in 2.6.28 so i'll keep hacking away at it until everything works |
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| 02:16.40 | abrotman | jorizma: there is a .30 at backports.org |
| 02:17.26 | jorizma | yeah, that was the one i was using |
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| 02:19.25 | penrod | greetings: can mmv work in a recursive mode ? |
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| 02:20.05 | abrotman | a mv ? |
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| 02:21.00 | penrod | mmv = multiple move, I am trying to rename ~1400 files , they have a ~ at the end of the extension and I wish to remove it |
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| 02:22.47 | dondelelcaro | penrod: so rename 's/~$//' *~; |
| 02:23.19 | dondelelcaro | penrod: or if you need multiple files, recursively, find . -type f -iname '*~' -print0|xargs rename 's/~$//' |
| 02:23.27 | dondelelcaro | s/xargs/& -0/ |
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| 02:25.06 | penrod | dondelelcaro: thanks I am not familiar with rename, will give the man page a read. I was thinking ther should be a recursiver option, I can see the "find" with a pipe will work , thank you |
| 02:26.02 | dondelelcaro | penrod: nah, recursive options are generally a bad idea. |
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| 02:26.34 | dkr | or -exec rename 's/~$//' {} + instead of -print0 | xargs rename 's/~$//' :) |
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| 02:27.06 | dondelelcaro | yeah, the + option to -exec is newish |
| 02:27.16 | dondelelcaro | has his fingers already trained to not use it |
| 02:27.40 | dkr | nod, I learned myself a few weeks ago that it has the same feature fo throwing as many args as can fit in comamndline the same way xarsg does |
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| 02:27.54 | dkr | I thought it was just a way to avoid the escaping necessary for ; heh |
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| 02:28.12 | dondelelcaro | yeah, I think it came in around etch timeframe |
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| 02:32.20 | powertool08 | When I try to stream with vlc I'm getting a transcode failed error. I'm thinking this is because debian's ffmpeg is crippled for drm purposes. Does it work for anyone else? |
| 02:34.06 | Sememmon | thinking about replacing my openbsd server with debian .. how does debian handle NAT? |
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| 02:36.02 | abrotman | Sememmon: with iptables/netfilter |
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| 02:36.47 | Sememmon | hm.. that's not so much specific to debian, but common amongst distros with modern kernels in general, is it not? |
| 02:37.04 | Sememmon | abrotman: ^ |
| 02:37.06 | abrotman | right |
| 02:37.13 | Sememmon | mm.. k. |
| 02:37.29 | abrotman | did you have a more specific question ? |
| 02:38.41 | Sememmon | not yet.. just thinking about swapping out my old proliant 5500 with a new low end server box from system76 .. and trying to decide if I want to stick with openbsd or switch to linux for the server. |
| 02:39.12 | Sememmon | hafta do some reading I guess. =] |
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| 02:39.39 | abrotman | do you need pointers to docs ? |
| 02:39.44 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
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| 02:39.52 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: hey, lets switch to query |
| 02:40.43 | Sememmon | abrotman: I think I'll be okay. =] do you know if iptables/netfilter plays nice at all with upnp? |
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| 02:41.19 | abrotman | not sure, i haven't tried (there is a #netfilter that you can try, though it is sunday night) |
| 02:41.54 | Sememmon | oh its not something I'd need an answer to immediately. |
| 02:42.07 | Sememmon | I've got a month or two to get things up and running. =] |
| 02:43.20 | abrotman | oh |
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| 02:46.56 | liable | would be a bastion of intelectual conversation no doubt.. |
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| 02:47.22 | linuxguy2009 | Is anyone here running Debian 6 testing? |
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| 02:47.51 | franki^ | !anyone |
| 02:47.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 02:48.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | i'd say no, since testing has no version number ;) |
| 02:49.09 | linuxguy2009 | franki^: I dont have a question about popcon. And i dont have a question about any apps. |
| 02:49.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | his point remains |
| 02:50.01 | linuxguy2009 | Kamping_Kaiser: Ok but we all know that testing will be called 6 when finished, but do you happen to be running it or not? |
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| 02:50.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | no, i like my computers to function |
| 02:50.34 | linuxguy2009 | hehe ok |
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| 02:50.42 | franki^ | well, debian 6 testing would presumably be the testing branch of the next stable release :) |
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| 02:50.50 | cVsup | sombody use mailscanner |
| 02:50.55 | franki^ | linuxguy2009: but, yes, i actually do use debian testing |
| 02:51.11 | franki^ | cVsup: is that a command? |
| 02:51.13 | Kamping_Kaiser | franki^: squeeze-proposed then :) |
| 02:51.35 | linuxguy2009 | franki^: Yes testing will become 6 thats what i said. |
| 02:52.06 | linuxguy2009 | franki^: Any major hickups in the system? |
| 02:52.10 | cVsup | franki^ not mail filter |
| 02:52.49 | franki^ | linuxguy2009: apart from rxvt not being in the repos, nothing that's really bothered me, this is just on my laptop though, it's nothing like a production server :) |
| 02:53.01 | linuxguy2009 | cool |
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| 02:53.22 | Kamping_Kaiser | note theres a couple of transisions pending, so those'll make thjings bumpy... |
| 02:53.31 | Kamping_Kaiser | or you could ignore that :. |
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| 03:04.59 | jesselang | Hello. After updates yesterday or today, my Microsoft bluetooth mouse doesn't work anymore. |
| 03:05.29 | jesselang | I get "Connection failed: Host is down (112)" |
| 03:06.29 | jesselang | OK, and now after multiple attempts, now I got it working. |
| 03:06.29 | jesselang | Crazy. |
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| 03:08.08 | abrotman | glad we could help |
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| 03:36.56 | chatZilla | hello? |
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| 03:37.21 | faheem | hi. anyone familar with usage of ssl-cert with apache on debian lenny? i've previously been making my own certificates, but thought i'd try to use this. however, having trouble getting it to work |
| 03:39.04 | abrotman | or ask in two places .. |
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| 03:47.16 | jeeves_Moss | how do I cure "SuexecUserGroup directive requires SUEXEC wrapper" |
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| 03:57.26 | simonrvn | install a suexec package, or enable it. |
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| 04:01.09 | chatZilla | this irc is flooded with people but it's quiet in here |
| 04:03.20 | aaron__ | (Reading database ... 150031 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 04:03.20 | aaron__ | Removing nvidia-glx ... |
| 04:03.20 | aaron__ | rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/libGL.so': No such file or directory |
| 04:03.20 | aaron__ | dpkg-divert: error checking `/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a': No such file or directory |
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| 04:03.29 | aaron__ | how come im getting that error |
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| 04:03.32 | simonrvn | !tell aaron__ -about paste |
| 04:03.32 | abrotman | create the files |
| 04:03.58 | aaron__ | sorry |
| 04:04.25 | aaron__ | how do you create the file abrotman ? |
| 04:04.28 | aaron__ | with touch? |
| 04:05.12 | aaron__ | ??? |
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| 04:13.41 | puff | Anybody know the innards of dpkg, apt, etc? |
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| 04:14.28 | amphi | mm, offal |
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| 04:24.18 | da_mad_machine | ??? |
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| 04:27.49 | humbolt | hard question to ask, never thought I would have to do that some time. Is there a windows IRC chat on this server? |
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| 04:28.16 | laptopandy | I'm quite angry at apt right now. Apt wants to autoremove such "unneeded" things as gdm, eog, evince, gnome-core, gnome-games, and others. This is the second debian lenny computer of mine that has wanted to do that. I reinstalled debian on my desktop to fix the problem, but now it's happening on my laptop. What gives? |
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| 04:30.06 | BankCobol | Does Debian have any good COBOL compilers in apt? |
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| 04:30.55 | laptopandy | humbolt: ##windows |
| 04:31.10 | franki^ | BankCobol: i only see open-cobol, no idea if it's good |
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| 04:33.47 | TiMiDo | windows sucks |
| 04:34.12 | centHOGG | sure lots of things suck |
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| 04:39.30 | humbolt | TiMiDo: That is so!!!!! I hate it. That's why I need the damn channel, because it sucks so much, you run into problems all the time. |
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| 04:39.55 | humbolt | TiMiDo: I'd wish, there was Adobe Premiere for Linux! |
| 04:40.11 | TiMiDo | mail them =) |
| 04:40.14 | TiMiDo | and tell them to make one |
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| 04:41.09 | BankCobol | The ops have no idea that I'm evading. =) |
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| 04:42.00 | BankCobol | "If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" -- George Berkeley on evading bans on Usenet and in IRC channels. |
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| 04:42.54 | TiMiDo | brbr |
| 04:42.56 | TiMiDo | X restart |
| 04:43.02 | BankCobol | Good luck. |
| 04:43.09 | puff | Ugh.. I just discovered a keyboard shortcut I didnt know about.... apparently control-alt-backspace logs me out and kills my session. |
| 04:43.58 | Bryanstein | looks around |
| 04:44.12 | Bryanstein | puff, that restarts the xserver |
| 04:44.18 | puff | Anybod yknow dpkg? |
| 04:44.20 | puff | ahas. |
| 04:44.22 | BankCobol | Ctrl + Alt + + is handy |
| 04:44.49 | puff | Whuzzat do? |
| 04:45.09 | puff | Does anybody grok dpkg and apt and etc deeply? |
| 04:45.14 | BankCobol | Makes your Madonna pics higher res on the screen. =) |
| 04:45.34 | puff | Ah-hah. |
| 04:45.46 | Bryanstein | Lol... old or new Madonna? |
| 04:45.53 | BankCobol | puff: themill groks lots of things deeply. |
| 04:46.01 | BankCobol | Both. =) |
| 04:46.13 | humbolt | I know that is as much off-topic as something could possibly be, but does anybody know, if there is a 64 bit version of win xp black edition? or something like it but for 64 bit? |
| 04:46.31 | Bryanstein | looks around again |
| 04:46.41 | BankCobol | I have Windows XP 64-bit installed. |
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| 04:47.06 | amphi | humbolt: wtf is windows xp black edition? |
| 04:47.06 | Bryanstein | humbolt, maybe you'd want to log into your live account and asks on msn messenger |
| 04:47.56 | humbolt | xp black (pirated edition) comes with the latest drivers and libs preinstalled. The no hassle installation. |
| 04:47.58 | Bryanstein | amphi, I have a friend who raves about it...it's just a slimmed down version with some theme...fewer "services" running by default |
| 04:48.12 | humbolt | Bryanstein: Yeah, like the idea! |
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| 04:48.29 | Bryanstein | humbolt, check the torrents thepiratebay perhaps |
| 04:48.37 | BankCobol | http://www.jaunted.com/files/admin/madonna_ropes.jpg - RARRRRRRRRRWR |
| 04:48.50 | Bryanstein | LOL wtf |
| 04:48.51 | Zharf | umm |
| 04:49.16 | Bryanstein | hehehe |
| 04:49.21 | BankCobol | Madonna is so hot. =) |
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| 04:49.42 | humbolt | Bryanstein: there is some stuff, but it seems there is no black edition. And what I am trying to find out is, which one of the 64 bit version is the recommended. |
| 04:49.46 | bkjoe | was..as in like a decade ago |
| 04:49.47 | j0n22 | hey iam getting a weird error with dpkg |
| 04:49.50 | brbrbr | what "madonna" sixstin? |
| 04:50.00 | j0n22 | cpio: ./etc/modprobe.d/oss-compat.conf: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
| 04:50.06 | j0n22 | and dpkg fails |
| 04:50.09 | humbolt | Bryanstein: You are right, I should try MSDN chat for this .... |
| 04:50.22 | BankCobol | I wouldn't download anything on The Pirate Bay or download Windows XP torrents at all. Just buy a legal copy. |
| 04:50.28 | brbrbr | how we discuss customized windows distro in #debian channel :) just great ;) |
| 04:50.34 | Bryanstein | just install Debian |
| 04:50.40 | brbrbr | yeah |
| 04:50.57 | brbrbr | i replaces windows. except games, maybe |
| 04:51.12 | BankCobol | Seriously, you are opening yourself up for many, many years in jail by downloading something that could be much more illegal than just copyright infringement. |
| 04:51.14 | Bryanstein | well we're stuck with TuxPuck |
| 04:51.36 | j0n22 | BankCobol: you are just exaggerating |
| 04:51.47 | Bryanstein | I'd say so too |
| 04:51.49 | brbrbr | enjoyed WormUX ;) |
| 04:52.01 | BankCobol | So if you want to stay out of jail and be able to get a real job instead of living off entitlements as a felon, avoid pirated copies of software. |
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| 04:52.23 | Bryanstein | lol...that was very dramatic |
| 04:52.26 | j0n22 | its illegal to use ,no doubt..but not that serious,there are a lot of legal ways to get out if you caught using a pirated software |
| 04:52.36 | pickcoder | #debian-offtopic |
| 04:52.37 | Bryanstein | brbrbr, try TuxPuck...you will never beat tux |
| 04:52.38 | bkjoe | heh you can't even buy xp anymore can you? |
| 04:52.58 | j0n22 | yes |
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| 04:53.01 | j0n22 | cpio: ./etc/modprobe.d/oss-compat.conf: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
| 04:53.06 | j0n22 | any idea mates? |
| 04:53.17 | pickcoder | j0n22: it doesn't exist? |
| 04:53.28 | j0n22 | yes its not |
| 04:53.31 | amphi | Bryanstein: ah, thanks |
| 04:53.39 | BankCobol | There's people that put trojans/malware in with the pirated software/Windows XP to load FBI bait URLs which means you could be in a lot of trouble, especially if you don't have sufficient funds to hire a competent criminal defense. |
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| 04:54.10 | j0n22 | BankCobol: true |
| 04:54.12 | BankCobol | Unlikely maybe, but not a chance I'm willing to take. |
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| 04:54.42 | BankCobol | I'd rather avoid spending two decades in prison (completely possible depending on what the FBI finds that you downloaded with the Windows XP ISO). |
| 04:55.16 | TiMiDo | right |
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| 04:55.18 | TiMiDo | Linux is free |
| 04:55.19 | TiMiDo | and easy |
| 04:55.25 | TiMiDo | that's the beauty part |
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| 04:55.52 | Bryanstein | GNU is free...that's the most beautiful part |
| 04:56.20 | BankCobol | Yeah, stick with Linux if you can't afford to buy Windows legally. :) |
| 04:57.01 | TiMiDo | anyone in here uses compiz that can help me with this error http://pastebin.ca/1705166 |
| 04:57.05 | Bryanstein | well stick with Linux if you plan on being something more than an amoeba |
| 04:57.30 | adb | BankCobol, Windows come on every new pc from yesrs, so no issues |
| 04:57.36 | Bryanstein | j0n22, I'd just touch that file and maybe run dpkg --configure -a |
| 04:57.42 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.44 | humbolt | I'd rather stick to Linux myself. But how can I get it to run Adobe Premiere reliably? |
| 04:57.50 | jorizma | you can use hashes to verify clean isos, seriously guys |
| 04:58.03 | humbolt | I am not an US citizen, so I don't give a fuck about the FBI. |
| 04:58.04 | jorizma | there are enough reasons to use linux without making them up. |
| 04:58.40 | humbolt | jorizma: Don't preach to the converted! |
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| 04:59.07 | humbolt | I run it on my machine, but can't run it on the Premiere box. |
| 04:59.12 | humbolt | Unfortunately. |
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| 04:59.17 | BankCobol | jorizma: Once you've downloaded it, you may already have *really* illegal stuff on your hard drive, which the FBI/other authorities could find out about with a block editor even after you've deleted the ISO. |
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| 05:00.04 | puff | so, dpkg, anybody? |
| 05:00.19 | Bryanstein | ok please BankCobol stop with the FBI pitch...they really don't care that much about 1 guy downloading WinBlowz $hitsta |
| 05:00.32 | Bryanstein | puff what about it? |
| 05:00.42 | puff | I have several qustions about it. |
| 05:00.46 | jorizma | There are also these crazy things called ram disks |
| 05:00.54 | TiMiDo | puff, before any questions man dpkg =) |
| 05:00.58 | BankCobol | jorizma: This is true. |
| 05:00.59 | Bryanstein | well just ask and some of the 874 people in here will answer |
| 05:01.02 | puff | Starting with, if I've used dpkg --set-selections to set a bunch of seslection flags, is there any way I can undo that? |
| 05:01.05 | TiMiDo | it's helpfull |
| 05:01.09 | brbrbr | BankCobol if you talking about FBI, you WRONG. they can do ONLY what are enscripted on warrant. and can use anything use outside it, in court. because its ILLEGAL |
| 05:01.10 | puff | TiMiDo: Already have, repeatedly. |
| 05:01.23 | Bryanstein | --clear-selections |
| 05:01.24 | puff | TiMiDo: there's --clear-selections, but it's not clear what exactly that does. |
| 05:01.41 | TiMiDo | right |
| 05:01.41 | TiMiDo | brb |
| 05:01.47 | TiMiDo | i need to do some bugs update |
| 05:02.05 | puff | What are --set-selection and --clear-selection actually manipulating? |
| 05:02.10 | BankCobol | brbrbr: Yeah, but if the pirated OS/software you've installed has malware on it that loads an FBI bait URL, they'll get a warrant pretty easily. :) |
| 05:02.18 | jorizma | And that's not even discounting a block by block wipe, of which there are plenty of linux tools |
| 05:02.20 | puff | Some file, somewhere, I presume? |
| 05:02.35 | jorizma | so it's mostly just fud you are spreading! which needs to be discouraged, no matter which side the fud is for |
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| 05:02.54 | Bryanstein | puff those are only used when you pass the correct flags like dselect-upgrade |
| 05:03.12 | puff | Bryanstein: Come again? |
| 05:03.18 | Bryanstein | you can set selections all day long and it won't affect anything until you do a dselect-upgrade |
| 05:03.18 | brbrbr | BankCobol ANY commercial software have back-doors. pirated and not. point is Gov't always get you ass, while in pirated SW case, some civilian bad guys added to picture |
| 05:03.22 | puff | Dang, the coffeehouse I'm in is closing. |
| 05:03.36 | Bryanstein | lol quick...steal some beans |
| 05:03.56 | puff | Bryanstein: Well, it own't affect anyhting other than whatever it is you're setting the selections in. |
| 05:04.17 | puff | Bryanstein: The man page wording is unhelpfully ambiguous... it "deinstalls" the package, buth? |
| 05:04.24 | puff | But what does that mean? |
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| 05:05.00 | BankCobol | < This message was brought to you buy the Business Software Alliance, RIAA, and MPAA collectively. Please visit our web site at http://www.respectcopyrights.org/ for more information about the dangers of copyright infringement to both yourself and the economy. > |
| 05:05.15 | Bryanstein | puff for instance...if you set selections...then you do apt-get install toilet...nothing will happen |
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| 05:05.20 | \amethyst | puff: each package has a 'desired status' in the dpkg database, /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 05:05.25 | puff | Bryanstein: Okay, gotta run, I guess this means that --clear-selections is safe to use for me, then. |
| 05:05.30 | Bryanstein | if you clear selections and do apt-get install moo ...nothing will happen |
| 05:05.34 | puff | \amethyst: Ah, cool. |
| 05:05.42 | Bryanstein | puff first do get-selections though |
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| 05:05.46 | puff | Right. |
| 05:05.51 | puff | gotta go, thanks. |
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| 05:07.08 | Bryanstein | BankCobol, have you ever been caught downloading pirated software? |
| 05:07.25 | TiMiDo | lo |
| 05:07.26 | TiMiDo | l |
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| 05:07.43 | TiMiDo | that sucks to be in jail for software |
| 05:08.09 | Bryanstein | TiMiDo, it sucks but virtually never happens on our level...unless you're pirating lots and lots of ware |
| 05:08.21 | TiMiDo | true |
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| 05:12.08 | BankCobol | Bryanstein: Nope. |
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| 05:12.29 | BankCobol | Bryanstein: I prefer to learn from others' mistakes. ;) |
| 05:13.01 | Bryanstein | I've been caught...no Men in Black at my door...no bugs under my shirt collar...it's peanuts. |
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| 05:14.39 | TiMiDo | any ideas why are the compiz packages broken? |
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| 05:16.15 | TiMiDo | http://pastebin.ca/1705182 |
| 05:16.23 | TiMiDo | I'm getting those broken packagee |
| 05:16.24 | TiMiDo | s |
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| 05:18.29 | TiMiDo | no one? |
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| 05:18.41 | Bryanstein | TiMiDo, you have your repos mixed? |
| 05:18.52 | TiMiDo | Bryanstein, not really |
| 05:18.53 | TiMiDo | let me check |
| 05:18.55 | Bryanstein | unstable and testing |
| 05:18.59 | Bryanstein | and etc |
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| 05:22.10 | TiMiDo | Bryanstein, how can i fixed it? |
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| 05:24.29 | BankCobol | abrotman and themill have no idea that I'm here. =) |
| 05:24.53 | BankCobol | If they did, I would be quickly removed. ;) |
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| 05:30.54 | abou_7anash_009 | hi how can I know which package to install contains net-snmp-conf |
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| 05:33.04 | TiMiDo | abou_7anash_009, apt-cache search filename |
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| 05:35.06 | abou_7anash_009 | TiMiDo: apt-cache search net-snmp-config did not reveal anything |
| 05:35.21 | TiMiDo | try apt-cache search net-snmp- |
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| 05:35.43 | TiMiDo | and see libnet-snmp-perl - Script SNMP connections |
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| 05:37.55 | amphi | !tell abou_7anash_009 -about search |
| 05:40.14 | el_compA | Hello I'm getting kernal crash on a new install |
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| 05:40.36 | el_compA | But everything boots up an it looks fine... I'm new to linuslx |
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| 05:44.17 | abou_7anash_009 | TiMiDo: did install libnet-snmp-perl but it did not include the needed command, any other clues ? |
| 05:44.34 | TiMiDo | not really try google i guess |
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| 05:47.28 | Bryanstein | abou_7anash_009, libsnmp-base |
| 05:48.17 | jmarsden | abou_7anash_009: What command are you really looking for? |
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| 05:49.53 | Bryanstein | wtf they change these programs so much...use to be snmp-tools then it was snmp-utils...now it's just snmp |
| 05:49.55 | Bryanstein | wtf |
| 05:50.15 | blackman | its just a package naming policy |
| 05:50.19 | blackman | it makes sense... |
| 05:52.39 | Bryanstein | well the policy isn't to change the name ever other month |
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| 05:53.17 | abou_7anash_009 | jmarsden: net-snmp-config |
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| 05:54.01 | jmarsden | abou_7anash_009: Looks to me like it is in package libsnmp-base |
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| 05:54.50 | RaptorQuest | Has Debian had logon problems or is it only Ubuntu? |
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| 05:55.48 | jmarsden | RaptorQuest: What "logon problems" did you have in mind? A little more specificity, or a bug number, would be handy??? |
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| 05:58.17 | abou_7anash_009 | jmarsden: installed libsnmp-base and command not in it...any other clues ? thanks |
| 05:58.45 | jmarsden | abou_7anash_009: What version of Debian are you running? Lenny? |
| 05:58.46 | RaptorQuest | Just stopping at indeterminate points, rarely the same twice in a row. No bug number that I know of. The result of a recent upgrade. I'm only asking because Ubuntu is built om Debian. I just wish I had the time to go with Debian again. |
| 05:59.00 | abou_7anash_009 | jmarsden: this is a etch server |
| 05:59.21 | massmc | how many 128kbps stream connections will i fit on a 100mbit pipe.. i'm real shitty at maths |
| 05:59.40 | jmarsden | RaptorQuest: I've not seen that on Debian or Ubuntu, but if the issue is only being seen by you and only on Ubuntu, this is the wrong problem. |
| 05:59.48 | jmarsden | massmc: You are. about 800. |
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| 06:02.13 | RaptorQuest | Figured, but I had to check all the bases. Thanks for your time. |
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| 06:05.32 | jmarsden | abou_7anash_009: It was probably called something else back then... I don't have any etch VM's to check, only Lenny/Squeeze/Sid. |
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| 06:07.13 | jmarsden | abou_7anash_009: You could look at everything output by apt-cache search snmp |grep snmp # and install anything that looks promising? |
| 06:09.43 | paranoidfreak | how come when i type the following command: "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade", it removes some packages; for example, when i typed the following command, i get this: Need to get 39.1MB of archives. After unpacking 301MB will be freed.; it's 17 packages being upgraded |
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| 06:10.36 | paranoidfreak | and it's alot of packages the are being removed |
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| 06:15.34 | franki^ | paranoidfreak: packages can be removed for many reasons, they might have been obsoleted, or be orphaned libs, if you don't think that you'll need them then it's not a problem, maybe :) |
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| 06:15.55 | Kamping_Kaiser | paranoidfreak: running stable or testing? |
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| 06:24.02 | deqc | hi please debian 64 bits user, wine, crossover run on??? |
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| 06:24.21 | deqc | hen I launch my launch games, but they do load = FREEZE! any version |
| 06:24.55 | deqc | I never had trouble before. 3 reinstall and no run huhuh ( |
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| 06:28.41 | paranoidfreak | Kamping_Kaiser: i'm running unstable |
| 06:28.43 | hojda | What does it mean that I have logged two users? I am only me logged.. ??? ? ? |
| 06:29.36 | hojda | -----(logged in) |
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| 06:30.02 | paranoidfreak | franki^: thanks for the info, once, it removed some packages i wanted to keep |
| 06:30.42 | paranoidfreak | franki^: so, i had to reinstall it |
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| 06:33.54 | jmarsden | !tell paranoidfreak about sid |
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| 06:35.54 | Bryanstein | hojda, type 'w' or 'who' and it will tell you who all is logged in |
| 06:36.38 | Gokee2 | Er.... I lost the terminal I executed a command on... Is there any way to find pts/7? Whats the command to know what pts you are on? |
| 06:36.42 | Bryanstein | its probably just you but each time you open a terminal...its counted as a login |
| 06:36.57 | jmarsden | Gokee2: tty |
| 06:37.07 | Gokee2 | jmarsden, Ah thanks :) |
| 06:37.45 | paranoidfreak | jmarsden: thanks |
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| 06:38.02 | jmarsden | Gokee2: You're welcome. I've not used it for about a decade, but once in a while old knowledge is useful again :) |
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| 06:38.45 | Gokee2 | Well, its not in any of my open terminals.... Yet the command is running |
| 06:38.51 | hojda | Bryanstein, logged here ? |
| 06:39.03 | jmarsden | paranoidfreak: You're welcome. Seriously, if you are having issues with sid you can't solve, it's probably time to use Squeeze instead :) |
| 06:39.23 | Gokee2 | Er no there it is :/ |
| 06:39.26 | jmarsden | Gokee2: It is possible for commands to run in the background, detached from all terminals... |
| 06:39.28 | jmarsden | Ah. |
| 06:39.55 | paranoidfreak | jmarsden: i'll keep that in mind |
| 06:40.04 | hojda | Bryanstein, oh, I got it ,there is root on pts/1 , is it OK ? |
| 06:40.22 | Bryanstein | yes |
| 06:40.33 | Gokee2 | jmarsden, Hmm, but unless the task backgrounds itself there is no way to detach from a term is there? (I wrote the script so I know it does not detach itself) |
| 06:40.47 | Bryanstein | but now if you open another terminal...you will see 3 |
| 06:40.53 | jmarsden | Gokee2: Right, you'd have to have done something to detach it... |
| 06:41.41 | jmarsden | Gokee2: And, of course, just because you wrote the script doesn't mean you know exactly what it will do... none of us are perfect programmers :) |
| 06:41.46 | Gokee2 | O I get it! mrxvt is hiding some of my tabs! |
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| 06:42.39 | Gokee2 | jmarsden, I am pretty sure it does not background itself, I have ran it a bunch of times :) (Its a wrapper to burn and verify iso's from the command line) |
| 06:43.32 | Gokee2 | no longer likes mrxvt unless he can find some way to stop tab hiding :/ |
| 06:43.44 | jmarsden | Gokee2: OK... in principle, though... just because you wrote it doesn't mean you can always predict it's behaviour ... I know this from experience :) |
| 06:43.47 | deqc | debian x64 user there? |
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| 06:45.08 | Gokee2 | jmarsden, Sure, but it gives you a better idea of what to expect then something someone else wrote. Well at least once you get it working :/ And get the bugs out.... I see your point :) |
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| 06:46.33 | deqc | http://paste.debian.net/53333 |
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| 07:01.23 | BW^- | aptitude install g++ fixed it, aha. |
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| 07:04.50 | zenwryly | how can I add more loop devices? |
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| 07:06.42 | jetscreamer | !loop |
| 07:06.42 | dpkg | loops are BAD! |
| 07:06.46 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 07:07.10 | jetscreamer | i forgot how |
| 07:07.36 | jetscreamer | i wanna say pass it to the kernel.. or the kernel has to be compiled for the max loops |
| 07:08.07 | zenwryly | jetscreamer: hrm, I was hoping for a runtime optime option :( |
| 07:08.11 | zenwryly | jetscreamer: tx |
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| 07:08.47 | jetscreamer | iirc it's a kernel config option though |
| 07:10.35 | zenwryly | jetscreamer: it's max_loop=# |
| 07:10.38 | zenwryly | boot option |
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| 07:15.28 | Epigene | hey guys... i have a debian server that has way too many packages installed on it... |
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| 07:16.02 | Epigene | is there a way to force it to remove everything that isn't part of some virtual packages? |
| 07:16.21 | Epigene | some apt-get command to, say, peg the base packages, and remove the rest? |
| 07:19.39 | jmarsden | Epigene: You can probably use dpkg --get-selections go get the list of packages, edit that list based on your set of base packages, and then use dpkg --set-selections. But I don't have a one-liner in my head that will do what you need... |
| 07:20.45 | Epigene | interesting... |
| 07:21.14 | Epigene | so those are the things that were manually chosen for installation? |
| 07:21.26 | Epigene | and then i can use apt-get autoremove to remove the rest? |
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| 07:21.59 | ubsafder | hello |
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| 07:23.21 | toozzer | hello all! |
| 07:23.51 | toozzer | tell me pls, how change system monospace font? |
| 07:24.16 | ubsafder | i have a broken debian how do i fix my /sources.list |
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| 07:24.45 | ubsafder | that file is now empty what should i put in it |
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| 07:34.04 | jetscreamer | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:34.29 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure console-data i think, toozzer... console-something |
| 07:34.48 | jetscreamer | !sources.list |
| 07:34.49 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 07:35.27 | ubsafder | my pb is fixed thanks |
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| 07:39.46 | ubsafder | but squeeze supports arm cpu ? |
| 07:39.55 | toozzer | jetscreamer: i need change size of font. "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" not for tis. right? |
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| 07:40.56 | toozzer | ubsafder: support |
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| 07:41.13 | a2f | so, i was just wondering if there's some option in aptitude to omit certain packages... for example if i run aptitude build-dep mplayer and want to omit my distro's version of x264... how would i do that? |
| 07:41.27 | toozzer | ubsafder: what package you need? |
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| 07:42.22 | ubsafder | ntp |
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| 07:44.14 | toozzer | ubsafder: look at this http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/ntp |
| 07:44.35 | ubsafder | but if i could upgrade the entire server from lenny to squeeze it would be even better |
| 07:45.05 | ubsafder | at least now my apt-get update gives no error |
| 07:46.04 | ubsafder | i am pointing to lenny |
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| 07:46.23 | ChrisW2 | how can i found out where a drive is mounted from? |
| 07:46.32 | ChrisW2 | nothing obvious in /etc/fstab |
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| 07:48.15 | ChrisW2 | '/etc/mtab has an entry for it though... |
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| 07:52.35 | ubsafder | but when i switch to squeeze i get:" Unable to find expected entry main/binary-arm/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)" |
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| 07:58.47 | ubsafder | ok i still not totally fixed |
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| 07:59.28 | ubsafder | using deb http://ftp2.fr.debian.org/debian/ lenny main i don't get errors but how do i upgrade to squeeze ? |
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| 08:00.12 | ubsafder | when i change lenny to squeeze on that line i get errors unable.......... |
| 08:01.36 | SPF | !tell ubsafder about lenny->squeeze |
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| 08:03.21 | a2f | after running aptitude build-dep i'm seeing a bunch of packages with {a} next to their names. what does that mean? |
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| 08:11.02 | a2f | anybody know what an {a} next to a package name in aptitude means? |
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| 08:16.55 | jetscreamer | dpkg-reconfigure console-setup perhaps |
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| 08:25.05 | ubsafder | the issue is lenny used main/binary-arm/Packages and squeeze call it main/binary-armel/Packages how can i correct apt-get so it does have the pb |
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| 08:26.24 | ubsafder | that pb was created a change in the /debian/dists/squeeze/InRelease |
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| 08:35.06 | odin_ | does the debian package format allow for particular files inside a single DEB to be marked as locale specific ? |
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| 08:36.01 | odin_ | so if the system-wide config is setup for say "*" you get all locale's installed but if its just "en_US,fr_FR" you only get those locales installed |
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| 08:37.21 | ubsafder | once i downladed a .deb how do i install it .? |
| 08:39.04 | ubsafder | i tried apt-get install ./apt_0.7.23.1_armel.deb but not working |
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| 08:41.12 | joltcan | ubsafder: dpkg -i |
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| 08:42.14 | ubsafder | dpkg -i doesn't do the install saying armel does not match system (arm) |
| 08:42.14 | dpkg | installs doesn't do the install saying armel does not match system (arm) into ubsafder's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
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| 08:56.51 | c99 | Hello, i'm trying to configure a IPsec tunnel on Debian with racoon-tool. I've modified the /etc/racoon/racoon-tool.conf but when racoon is restarted it doesn't try to connect by it self. Why not? |
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| 09:00.26 | devurandom | Hello! |
| 09:01.00 | devurandom | What is the command to display basic system information? Like versions of important packages, architecture, etc. |
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| 09:02.58 | hoo-hah | devurandom: for bug reports? |
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| 09:04.54 | karl_k | hi all ! i upgraded my lenny to grub2 (love uuid) but now it is unable to chainload my windows partition, error is: "unknown command chainloader" |
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| 09:05.18 | devurandom | hoo-hah: For example, yes. |
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| 09:05.54 | devurandom | hoo-hah: If you know Gentoo, "emerge --info" is what I'd like to get. |
| 09:07.19 | hoo-hah | devurandom: what does that give you? |
| 09:07.22 | hoo-hah | build environment? |
| 09:09.13 | devurandom | hoo-hah: The info at the bottom of this page: http://code.google.com/p/arora/issues/detail?id=809&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Milestone%20Owner%20Summary%20Stars&start=100 |
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| 09:09.56 | karl_k | hmmm, no grub2 experts here ? |
| 09:10.04 | devurandom | hoo-hah: But on bugs.debian.org I saw something similar, listing informations about the affected packages, etc. I wonder how that was generated. |
| 09:10.24 | hoo-hah | devurandom: probably automatically via reportbug |
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| 09:11.25 | hoo-hah | devurandom: I'm not sure how its done |
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| 09:14.33 | devurandom | hoo-hah: Hm, ok, reportbug does not seem to have an option to only output the info to screen. :( |
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| 09:15.48 | hoo-hah | devurandom: it does. I just went through the man page earlier looking for an option for what you described. Noticed a print-only option |
| 09:16.09 | hoo-hah | but goldfish memory prevails |
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| 09:17.06 | ubsafder | what way can i force apt-get to use armel instead of arm for my system arch |
| 09:17.31 | devurandom | What prevails? |
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| 09:19.33 | ubsafder | do i need to get the source of apt-get and change it ? |
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| 09:19.44 | devurandom | hoo-hah: It is -p it seems. |
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| 09:20.21 | hoo-hah | ah yeah |
| 09:20.31 | hoo-hah | similar to emerge's --pretend, I guess |
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| 09:21.35 | WormFood | is there a FF plugin that will facilitate the downloading of flash videos? |
| 09:24.12 | comradekingu | WormFood: You can get most from /tmp |
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| 09:25.02 | devurandom | hoo-hah: It still asked me whether I want to send it... I just selected "cat" as the editor and got what I wanted. |
| 09:25.29 | hojda | Why some applications say I have glx and some say I do not ? |
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| 09:26.12 | hoo-hah | hojda: some probably only detect for existence of certain files |
| 09:26.27 | hojda | hoo-hah, I see |
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| 09:28.40 | hojda | I have an application called 3D Acceleration and it is unable to run(XDriInfo returned with non-zero exit code.) even if I have 3d installed on nvidia... ?:( |
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| 09:29.53 | WormFood | but I don't want to play the video, I just want to download it (so I can watch it later, or offline) |
| 09:29.53 | WormFood | doesn't getting it from /tmp imply playing it? |
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| 09:41.41 | WormFood | wireshark to the rescue again! |
| 09:41.48 | cahoot | WormFood: tried a search among ff addons? there are plenty |
| 09:42.07 | WormFood | I tried searching too...found one....but won't work for me (does not even show) |
| 09:43.07 | WormFood | the video I'm trying to download is on kaltura.com, but it is embedded into another page....I just start to play the video, with wireshark running, and snag the url when the embedded player requests it from the server :D |
| 09:43.23 | WormFood | then feed that url into wget :D |
| 09:44.28 | WormFood | rather interesting...the full size of the video is fairly big, but if you don't tell it otherwise it will play in a tiny window |
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| 09:45.37 | WormFood | oh...I guess this downloader addon is working....but I had to play the video to make it work |
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| 09:52.23 | karl_k | ok, solved the "unknown command: chainloader" problem in grub2 by "insmod chain" |
| 09:52.50 | karl_k | however, i am still unable to boot my windows from uuid, grub2 command line does not find the uuid of my ntfs partition |
| 09:53.21 | karl_k | it finds the partition if i "search /boot.ini" but "search -u XXXXXX" with the uuid i get from blkid does not work |
| 09:53.23 | karl_k | any ideas ? |
| 09:55.18 | karl_k | gawd..... the uuid is actually case sensitive......... |
| 09:55.42 | karl_k | and apparently for the ntfs-partition one has to use lower case |
| 09:55.57 | karl_k | how weird is that ? |
| 09:56.40 | ethanol | is xeon 64bit? |
| 09:56.46 | karl_k | especially as blkid gives upper case uuids ! so copy-paste is not working |
| 09:57.02 | ethanol | I assume install of amd64 arch will fail automatically if system is not 64bit? |
| 09:57.05 | rvsjoen | morning ladies |
| 09:57.25 | jelly | ethanol: not necessarily. Xeon is the branding Intel uses for server cpus. It's been used for many generations, since P3 or so. |
| 09:57.34 | ethanol | oh |
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| 09:57.44 | ethanol | well I'm not sure what's in these machines anymore :') |
| 09:58.11 | ethanol | so would my assumption be correct? as in, install will fail anyway if it's not 64bit |
| 09:58.26 | jelly | right |
| 09:58.58 | ethanol | then I'll just go with this cd of lenny I still have. otherwise I guess I'll download 32bit, on our crappy 2mbit line :< |
| 09:59.32 | jelly | ethanol: grep '\blm\b' /proc/cpuinfo if there's already some sort of Linux there |
| 09:59.44 | ethanol | there was, but we just replaced all hd's |
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| 09:59.48 | ethanol | so can't do anymore |
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| 10:00.54 | karl_k | ok, i have to put some info on the grub2 wiki... |
| 10:00.56 | karl_k | bye |
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| 10:04.35 | mjmt | Is module-assistant still the way to go for installing modules from source? Or is there something newer like Ubuntu's "jockey"? |
| 10:05.03 | jelly | mjmt: in lenny, still m-a |
| 10:05.08 | jelly | !dkms |
| 10:05.08 | dpkg | well, dkms is Dynamic Kernel Module Support, a framework for generating out-of-tree Linux kernel modules. Packages using DKMS will automatically rebuild installed module sources when a new kernel version is installed. linux-modules-nonfree-2.6 was removed from Debian post-Lenny (bug #551352) in favour of DKMS. http://wiki.debian.org/KernelDKMS http://linux.dell.com/dkms/ |
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| 10:16.32 | lvh | anyone know where I can get a non-ancient 32-bit libpulse.so.0 on an amd64 box? |
| 10:16.32 | e7th04sh | Hi, is it safe to install fresh amarok from source on lenny? |
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| 10:16.58 | lvh | ia32-libs comes with libpulse.so.0.8.0, which is ancient, causing a bunch of apps that rely on it to break |
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| 10:20.16 | vagothcpp | Were would be an appropriate place to ask about GNU Application? |
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| 10:21.35 | rvsjoen | #gnu ? |
| 10:21.52 | rvsjoen | or you could just ask here |
| 10:22.02 | mjmt | lvh: wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/pulseaudio/libpulse0_0.9.19-1_i386.deb, then unpack it with "ar". |
| 10:22.42 | dominiq | what package am i missing? WARNING: `aclocal-1.4' is needed |
| 10:22.51 | lvh | mjmt: And then just manually copy the file to /usr/lib32? |
| 10:23.05 | vagothcpp | Regarding GNUPG, using RSA Encryption, if the password is used, but the 'hacker' doesnt have the private key, what is the possibility of them decoding the encrypted message? |
| 10:23.07 | mjmt | dominiq: automake |
| 10:23.16 | dominiq | mjmt thank you very much |
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| 10:23.38 | mjmt | lvh: I guess, I don't know a thing about 64-bit sorry. |
| 10:23.43 | e7th04sh | crap, i need cmake 2.6.2 and current package for lenny is 2.6.0 |
| 10:24.01 | dominiq | mjmt hrhm... it is still crying for aclocal1.4... |
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| 10:24.22 | mjmt | automake1.4 then? |
| 10:24.30 | dominiq | oh indeed, could be that |
| 10:24.33 | lvh | mjmt: thanks, I'll try it out and let you know if it hosed my box :-p |
| 10:24.57 | lvh | (three cheers for snapshotted vm's) |
| 10:25.02 | mjmt | dominiq: If there's an autogen.sh with the source, I'd run it to regenerate everything. |
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| 10:26.16 | dominiq | mjmt indeed again.. i had to make clean and configure from scratch to make it work.. running now, thanks alot! |
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| 10:27.44 | vagothcpp | Regarding GNUPG, using RSA Encryption, if the password is *EDIT*known, but the 'hacker' doesnt have the private key, what is the possibility of them decoding the encrypted message? |
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| 10:30.28 | vlt | Hello. Is it possible to have a hard disk (partition) as an md raid spare device and send it to sleep (hdparm -y) or does md or the kernel need to access the device every now and then? |
| 10:30.33 | lvh | vagothcpp: about zero |
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| 10:33.14 | kripz | when using find, can i say find \(!123\) which will find everything that doesnt have (123) in it? |
| 10:33.45 | rvsjoen | kripz: -not -name "foo" |
| 10:33.47 | rvsjoen | I think |
| 10:33.52 | lvh | Hm, that didn't fix it. |
| 10:34.05 | lvh | Any ideas why wine might give you Permission denied on shared objects? |
| 10:34.07 | lvh | err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"winepulse.drv": libpulse.so.0: cannot open shared object file: Permission denied |
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| 10:34.47 | lvh | I'm guessing it's not very different from how any program could cause a permission denied error on a so. |
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| 10:35.53 | sweetandy | Does the install process use SWAP space? |
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| 10:38.09 | ubsafder | i am using an arm cpu how can i upgrade from lenny to squeeze ? |
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| 10:40.45 | ubsafder | looks like there is no way so far there are no more arm packages they have been renamed armel which apt-get won't install with the depedencies |
| 10:41.28 | hoo-hah | hi guys just noticed Squeeze update requests uninstall of policykit and libpolkit* to coincide with upgrade of iceweasel. |
| 10:41.49 | hoo-hah | is this because iceweasel no longer uses policykit, or version unavailability n Squeeze? |
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| 10:51.50 | talon_ | hi, i can't install debian lenny from a usb stick, as it fails to load CDROM drivers. I used the instructions and copied the netinst iso to the usb disk root |
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| 10:53.34 | talon_ | i tried using the debian method (zcat boot.img.gz /dev/sdxx), the ubuntu usb-creator and unetbootin |
| 10:53.56 | talon_ | none of them created a working disk |
| 10:54.04 | jelly | !usb install |
| 10:54.04 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 10:54.18 | talon_ | i can boot from usb |
| 10:54.32 | talon_ | and i followed the instructions, using the hd-media files |
| 10:54.47 | jelly | talon_: copy the .iso image on the filesystem, etc? |
| 10:54.51 | talon_ | yes |
| 10:55.04 | talon_ | installer fails as it can't find cdrom drivers |
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| 10:55.14 | talon_ | which it shouldn't need |
| 10:55.15 | talon_ | anyway |
| 10:55.30 | jelly | interesting. |
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| 10:55.59 | jelly | if noone answers here, try #debian-boot on irc.debian.org |
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| 10:57.20 | adb | talon_, doc says " zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdX " not to "/dev/sdxx" |
| 10:57.33 | talon_ | whatever, i ran it and it worked |
| 10:57.41 | talon_ | /dev/sdc1 for me |
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| 10:57.56 | adb | /dev/sdc* |
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| 10:58.42 | talon_ | the usb disk boots, so it wasn't a failure in copying boot.img |
| 10:58.42 | hoo-hah | how do i se the changelog for the most recent update available for iceweasel |
| 10:58.50 | hoo-hah | is that documented somewhere upon installation? |
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| 11:04.10 | talon_ | how can i mount the iso image manually in d-i? |
| 11:04.23 | talon_ | i have been able to mount the usb stick now |
| 11:04.30 | talon_ | and can see the iso image, |
| 11:04.59 | talon_ | mount -o loop debian-503-am64-netinst.iso /media/netinst doesn't work ... |
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| 11:08.48 | hojda_ | Is installing from xfce.org/download/ the best source to install xfce ? |
| 11:09.36 | prince_jammys | !install xfce |
| 11:09.36 | dpkg | To install <Xfce> on established systems, ask me about <install x>, then: aptitude install xfce4 xfce4-goodies . To install using Debian-Installer (if not using Xfce CD-1): Lenny: press the Tab key at d-i's boot prompt, then include desktop=xfce in the boot options; Etch: Supply the tasks=xfce-desktop boot parameter. |
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| 11:16.24 | xtraeme | hi, I'd like to know if debian comes by default with /etc/nscd.conf |
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| 11:20.02 | flaps | hi there, im looking for a binary uploader for usenet. can anybody recommend anything? |
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| 11:33.07 | hojda | How is that possible that I install 3D driver and Gnome does not show a bit smooth-ing (windows dragging and screesavers).... This is sad...... |
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| 11:38.50 | mapo | hi |
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| 11:39.08 | mapo | I have a problem with software raid in debian testing |
| 11:39.40 | mapo | I've setup a raid with two partitions, /dev/sdb1 and /dev/sdc1 |
| 11:39.44 | asdzxc | hi |
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| 11:40.25 | asdzxc | how can i find out EXACTLY how much is process taking physical memory ? so without shared memory, without swap etc. |
| 11:40.39 | mapo | but at reboot the system fails to build the array |
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| 11:41.11 | mapo | and some partitions are missing from /proc/partitions and /dev |
| 11:41.22 | mapo | usually is /dev/sdc1 that is missing |
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| 11:41.48 | mapo | however fdisk -l /dev/sdc tells me that the partition is still there |
| 11:42.35 | mapo | I've googled around, and the only thing that I've found is the suspect of a race condition |
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| 11:42.46 | mapo | http://osdir.com/ml/linux-raid/2009-04/msg00358.html |
| 11:43.32 | mapo | however I couldn't find any udev rule regarding this |
| 11:43.57 | mapo | but I'm not an udev expert, maybe I've missed something |
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| 11:46.26 | jetscreamer | i suspect it's yet another non-existent bug that nobody will acknoledge really exists |
| 11:46.42 | jetscreamer | i'm going to have to anacronymitize that |
| 11:46.54 | jetscreamer | yanebtnware |
| 11:46.58 | jetscreamer | acknowledge |
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| 11:48.00 | jetscreamer | mapo: i know nothing of raid, but failure to properly detect multiple controllers is a bug, is that perhaps what's up? if so, try using UUID instead of /dev/whatever |
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| 11:48.50 | jetscreamer | well not 'detect' but it can't make up it's mind what they will be |
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| 11:50.01 | mapo | jetscreamer: well, the devices /dev/sdb and /dev/sdc are correctly recognized |
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| 11:50.21 | mapo | and also /dev/sdb1 is usually there |
| 11:50.33 | mapo | however /dev/sdc1 is missing |
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| 11:51.44 | mapo | is that consistent with what you think of this problem? To be honest, I haven't completely understood what you have said |
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| 11:54.01 | jetscreamer | mapo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ , Disk devices may change on reboot |
| 11:54.14 | jetscreamer | but like i said, i know nothing of raid |
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| 11:55.55 | mapo | jetscreamer: thnks, but this is not my issue: the devices does not change, but partitions are not detected |
| 11:56.05 | jetscreamer | okie |
| 11:56.13 | jetscreamer | i like my new acronym though |
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| 12:15.35 | brahman | Morning, Any body know about why libgnokii5 is no longer available in Testing? kde-full is now no longer able to be installed as it depends on this package. |
| 12:16.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | brahman: see debiannews |
| 12:16.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | brahman: http://news.debian.net/2009/12/06/brief-updates-testing-broken-xorg-modules-broken-kde4-d-n-down-and-events-in-germany/ for your conveniance |
| 12:17.10 | brahman | Kamping_Kaiser: Thanks for that will read up on it. :-) |
| 12:17.34 | Kamping_Kaiser | :) |
| 12:17.46 | Kamping_Kaiser | brahman: check the linked bugs for extra info |
| 12:18.56 | brahman | Kamping_Kaiser: reading as we speak. unfortunately this is my work desktop... :-( |
| 12:19.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | :[ |
| 12:20.13 | brahman | Kamping_Kaiser: Soon will follow all the comments from the other sysadmins, why dont you try ubuntu, or perhaps fedora...Grrrr lol |
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| 12:20.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | hahaha. |
| 12:20.35 | Kamping_Kaiser | brahman: or you could, you know, run stable :p |
| 12:21.19 | internat | yeah if your work desktop is important to you, running the stable branch is probably the best thing to do :P |
| 12:21.27 | internat | and just backport anything you need. |
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| 12:22.32 | brahman | Kamping_Kaiser: I have out of habit always used testing for my desktops... |
| 12:22.35 | jelly | or don't upgrade blindly once stuff works |
| 12:22.58 | brahman | jelly: Monday morning... |
| 12:23.09 | jelly | !monday |
| 12:23.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | brahman: i hope your at least using apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges |
| 12:23.09 | dpkg | Looks like someone is having a case of the mondays!, or see tuesday |
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| 12:23.30 | jelly | brahman: the right time to install kde4, right? |
| 12:24.01 | brahman | jelly: me going to fall back to xfce or gnome, to get my work done... lol |
| 12:25.07 | jelly | brahman: testing, when not frozen, is best used with a modicum of sid repositories, pinned way down, to fill in the holes |
| 12:26.10 | brahman | jelly: will look into using unstabvle repos to plug this hole, once I have a few minutes... |
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| 12:38.14 | hojda | !cde |
| 12:38.14 | dpkg | methinks cde is the crappy desktop environment or laughable when it takes >45 seconds to load on a alpha box with 192 megs of ram. Common Desktop Environment, derived from HP's VUE. Non-free, evil. very ugly, or the spawn of satan. Commercial Desktop Environment, or as ugly as xfce |
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| 12:39.15 | philiKON | hi. i'm running testing and just did an upgrade of libc6 which wants me to install a new kernel. i don't want to do this atm, so is there a way to go back to the previous libc6 package for now? |
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| 12:39.27 | hojda | !xfce |
| 12:39.27 | dpkg | Xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. To install, ask me about <install xfce>. Backported 4.6.1 packages are available, ask me about <bpo>. Squeeze users: Missing icons in your menu? See bug #526171 in the <BTS>. http://wiki.debian.org/Xfce http://www.xfce.org/ #xfce on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:39.50 | markybob | philiKON, no |
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| 12:41.29 | philiKON | markybob: hmm, ok |
| 12:41.46 | Stereo | philiKON: what kernel are you running anyway ? |
| 12:41.57 | philiKON | Stereo: 2.6.8 |
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| 12:42.03 | Stereo | philiKON: that's ancient |
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| 12:42.08 | philiKON | yeh i know |
| 12:42.20 | philiKON | awright, kernel upgrade it is then, i suppose |
| 12:42.34 | Stereo | you know you want to :) |
| 12:42.40 | jelly | philiKON: are you sure you're using testing? dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 |
| 12:42.56 | philiKON | ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 12:43.22 | hojda | !ROX Desktop |
| 12:43.29 | hojda | !LXDE |
| 12:43.29 | dpkg | from memory, lxde is Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment, available for Debian since Lenny. To get LXDE, ask me about <install lxde>. http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXDE:Questions http://www.lxde.org/ #lxde on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:43.33 | jelly | philiKON: alright, that's from lenny and recent enough |
| 12:43.46 | jelly | hojda: please use /msg dpkg stuff |
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| 12:44.03 | hojda | jelly, I see |
| 12:44.33 | philiKON | so what do i do? the dpkg database is locked in unresolved depedencies |
| 12:44.39 | philiKON | apt-get -f install fails b/c of the ancient kernel |
| 12:44.46 | philiKON | how do i get out of this mess? |
| 12:45.26 | jelly | philiKON: pastebin the output of dpkg -l kernel-image-* linux-image-* and your current sources.list |
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| 12:46.24 | jelly | philiKON: you didn't upgrade to lenny properly... should have ended up with a 2.6.26 kernel from lenny before going on to current testing. |
| 12:46.49 | jelly | 2.6.8 is from... sarge? |
| 12:46.53 | philiKON | yeah |
| 12:46.58 | philiKON | well i just ran with testing the whole time |
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| 12:47.02 | philiKON | *bows head in shame* |
| 12:47.45 | jelly | philiKON: if you upgraded fairly often it shouldn't be a big issue |
| 12:47.46 | brahman | all: Have not used xfce4 in ages, it's not bad... |
| 12:47.49 | brahman | :-) |
| 12:48.03 | philiKON | jelly: yeah i did, except kernel |
| 12:48.58 | jelly | philiKON: did you perchange only run upgrades instead of dist-upgrades? |
| 12:49.09 | jelly | perchance* |
| 12:49.16 | philiKON | yeah |
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| 12:49.47 | philiKON | i thought dist-upgrade was when going from dist to dist |
| 12:51.15 | jelly | when you're tracking testing or unstable, you have to use it the whole time to get dependency updates |
| 12:51.22 | philiKON | i see |
| 12:51.22 | purpleoptic | :p |
| 12:51.27 | philiKON | that's really good to know :) |
| 12:51.52 | purpleoptic | updates his sidux box every two days with dist-upgrade |
| 12:52.00 | jelly | purpleoptic: sidux != Debian |
| 12:52.04 | purpleoptic | I know |
| 12:52.23 | jelly | upgrade procedure from other distros do not apply |
| 12:52.30 | purpleoptic | considering it's supposed to be unstable I've not had any issus |
| 12:52.47 | philiKON | jelly: anyway, thanks for now. gotta go for a phone call, bbl |
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| 12:59.44 | pookey | hi all - wht tool do I want to look at to keep servers up to date remotely? I've found apt-dater, but that's not in lenny, so I assume there's an alternative people have used up until now |
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| 13:00.20 | [gnubie] | waves |
| 13:00.28 | [gnubie] | any svn user here? |
| 13:01.02 | [gnubie] | how will i know what fs-type is the project using after executing the command "svnadmin create <project_name>"? |
| 13:01.48 | purpleoptic | cant you ssh into the server and run the updates pookey? |
| 13:02.12 | pookey | purpleoptic: I can, sure, but there's lots, and whilst I can script it all, I iamgine there's a tool or collection of tools that already do it |
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| 13:03.54 | purpleoptic | I'm sure puppet could do something like that but it's a little ott for yourself maybe |
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| 13:04.28 | pookey | yeah, puppet is desparatly needed, but that's a huge project that's been on our todo list for ages :) |
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| 13:04.55 | purpleoptic | heard about it on floss weekly and has been dying to try it out |
| 13:05.56 | tuxcrafter | hi all when can expect k10temp support in debian? |
| 13:06.06 | tuxcrafter | http://alt.nntp2http.com/os/linux/2008/08/3e7de045c54f5cd5b7e563330597ab79.html |
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| 13:14.17 | tuxcrafter | just curius but when will debian stable update to a newer kernel release? |
| 13:14.25 | tuxcrafter | i know it does security updates |
| 13:14.31 | ethanol | guys, what's the make/install utilities package called again? |
| 13:14.37 | tuxcrafter | but what are the circumstances for a version update? |
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| 13:14.50 | pookey | I was under the impression stable meant version freeze tuxcrafter |
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| 13:14.57 | pookey | ethanol: build-essential(s) |
| 13:15.03 | markybob | tuxcrafter, never. when testing becomes stable you'll get a new version |
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| 13:15.13 | ethanol | pookey, ah thanks |
| 13:17.53 | Titan8990 | tuxcrafter, the lenny kernel is likely patched with the security holes mentioned, even if its not reflected in its version number |
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| 13:18.33 | Titan8990 | tuxcrafter, it gets security patches etc but no feature or hardware support additions |
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| 13:18.45 | tuxcrafter | Titan8990: jups i just wanted to be really sure |
| 13:18.49 | tuxcrafter | modprobe it87 |
| 13:18.50 | tuxcrafter | FATAL: Error inserting it87 (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/hwmon/it87.ko): No such device |
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| 13:19.23 | tuxcrafter | i got this issue with the stable version i know the default kernel for testing works |
| 13:20.04 | Titan8990 | tuxcrafter, if you are lacking some kind of hardware ports, there is the backports kernel |
| 13:20.08 | tuxcrafter | but i dont want to use a kernel form tesing, i got some big issues last month using the unstalble kernel it caused mdadm to be removed with an update (package conflicts) |
| 13:20.12 | Titan8990 | err hardware support |
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| 13:21.57 | psteyn | Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
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| 13:22.45 | jelly | psteyn: please speak in English in this channel. |
| 13:22.50 | tuxcrafter | aptitude install linux-image-686/testing |
| 13:23.04 | tuxcrafter | installing the testing kernel can't wait 2 years for sensors support :D |
| 13:23.32 | rgr | is it correct that if you boot with a cd/dvd rom in the tray that you need be to root ot eject it later? (I dont mean booting FROM the cd/either) either. Here on testing it wont let me eject it. |
| 13:24.45 | jelly | rgr: "eject scd0" doesn't work? |
| 13:25.00 | oggei | rgr: you probably have to be in cdrom group |
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| 13:25.47 | rgr | I am in the cdrom group. its only when I boot with the disk in the tray. |
| 13:26.12 | rgr | sudo eject works. then if I put another one I can eject without sudo. |
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| 13:28.21 | cichlasoma | hi. when i try to install kde or gnome with apt-get, i get error messages saying that xyz has unmet dependencies, that it depends on abc which is not going to be installed. it happens with stable and with unstable or testing repositories as well. I'm new to debian and want to ask whether tis behavior is common or what's wrong. |
| 13:29.19 | rgr | cichlasoma: it is common if you try mixing and matching versions. Did you force installation from testing or unstable for example? |
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| 13:30.24 | jpinx-eeepc | cichlasoma: start again and do *not* use anything other than lenny |
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| 13:30.52 | rgr | jpinx-eeepc: you dont know enough about his situation or needs to make such a rdiduclous assertion. |
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| 13:32.36 | cahoot | he sure did hint in that direction |
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| 13:36.57 | cichlasoma | I'm using PureOS, which is liveCD based on debian testing branch. I thought that when i change repositories to lenny and try to install something new, it's irrelevant what I have already installed. Yet, I'm starting to comprehend, it's not the case... thanks... :) |
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| 13:37.24 | cichlasoma | (PureOslight to be precise) |
| 13:37.39 | jpinx-eeepc | cichlasoma: that is not debian |
| 13:38.36 | cichlasoma | i thought the when it's build from debian testing repository, it has to behave just like debian in this respect. |
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| 13:38.56 | rgr | cichlasoma: no. You will run into versioning issues. |
| 13:38.58 | cichlasoma | (...though that...) |
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| 13:39.22 | jpinx-eeepc | cichlasoma: if you install debian and come back we will help you to get it working |
| 13:40.09 | rgr | cichlasoma: consider using a debian livecd and any more questions dont hesitate to ask. |
| 13:41.12 | cichlasoma | rgr: could you be more specific about "versioning isuues"? |
| 13:41.29 | cichlasoma | ok |
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| 13:42.21 | jpinx-eeepc | cichlasoma: versionin issues is just a fancy way of saying that debian will break if you mix versions |
| 13:42.24 | rgr | if you decide to move to debian and force versions of somethings from unstable into lenny for example you run the risk of causing version issues that the package manager can not sort out and they leave you with a compromised and possibly unstable system. Always think twice and always consider backports first. |
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| 13:42.32 | rgr | jpinx-eeepc: nonsense. |
| 13:42.52 | rgr | Many people mix there system with no breakage. You just have to be careful. |
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| 13:43.03 | jpinx-eeepc | cichlasoma: use backports |
| 13:43.56 | chrisw | any ops: can you kick the Paula spambot please? |
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| 13:45.26 | rgr | sees no spam at his house ... |
| 13:45.49 | jpinx-eeepc | on-join spammer |
| 13:46.03 | chrisw | rgr: it spams you when you join the channel |
| 13:46.20 | purpleoptic | I think it's in a few channels |
| 13:46.32 | cichlasoma | rgr: i'm clear about issues with mixing different branches of debian already. I thought you suggested, i'll run into versioning issues if i use a livecd build from debian testing and use debian testing repositories to install new things. That's what i don't get. |
| 13:46.36 | jpinx-eeepc | !ops Paula on-join spammer |
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| 13:46.37 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jpinx-eeepc complains about: Paula on-join spammer |
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| 13:47.17 | rgr | cichlasoma: no you shouldnt. But "testing" is the clue. It can happen. My testing system is borked at the moment with no gnome power management. |
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| 13:47.40 | EugenMayer | hello. It seems like my cron-jobs defined under crontab -e ( root ) do not have any ENV vars. why? |
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| 13:48.29 | jpinx-eeepc | cichlasoma: you *really* want to install lenny, add backports for more recent applications |
| 13:48.38 | rgr | Where did you set them? |
| 13:48.48 | rgr | sigh. |
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| 13:50.39 | rgr | EugenMayer: you might want to source your .bash_env or something from within the scripts you have cronned. My own take on ENVs and .bash, .profile, .bash_env, .bash_blah is that its a tangle :-; Personally I keep all my ENVs in .bash_env and source it from the higher level startup/shell rc files. |
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| 13:51.51 | EugenMayer | rgr: hmm, iam not sure who you mean that. I have set READ_ENV=yes in /etc/default/cron |
| 13:52.29 | rgr | Hmm I didnt know about that. I specifically do "~/.bash_env" in the scripts that need them. Possibly its overkill but its clear and works for me. |
| 13:52.41 | EugenMayer | also PATH in /etc/crontab is set correctly |
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| 13:52.58 | EugenMayer | well I use zsh |
| 13:53.07 | EugenMayer | but the scripts use bash ( shebang) |
| 13:53.13 | EugenMayer | so all I need is .bash_env? |
| 13:53.18 | rgr | that is system level cron |
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| 13:53.30 | rgr | oh you said root. |
| 13:53.31 | cichlasoma | rgr, jpinx-eeepc: ok, thanks. |
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| 13:54.46 | rgr | EugenMayer: No. Not all you need. I am talking from my experiences at "user" level here. I dont want to suggest that´s how you do it for root too. Probably the same mind you. |
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| 13:58.12 | hojda | !dpkg |
| 13:58.12 | dpkg | dpkg is, like, the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 13:58.18 | rgr | EugenMayer: you might consider using the "env" command in your script to log the ENVs set. Then you can add the necessary source lines to pull in your ENVs into that cron job. |
| 13:58.31 | EugenMayer | yeah, thanks! |
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| 14:29.44 | homecable | does debian testing use ext4 |
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| 14:34.18 | macrobat | it can use ext4 |
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| 14:36.02 | glauber | hey guys, does anyone use debian on IBM x3550 servers? I need a xen server and I can't get any RPM distro working out of the box with xen. As xen livecd is debian, I guess xen is very stable on debian. The problem is IBM drivers, like RDAC and tape drivers. I'l like to know if I can use opensource drivers, lime multipath-md and mt-st. Does anyone have any advice? |
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| 14:43.38 | raa | anyone ever compiled a module (driver) on the system it was going to be inseted in? |
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| 14:47.11 | Fah | raa: as long as you have the kernel headers for the currently running kernel, you should be able to build and load a module at runtime |
| 14:47.30 | Fah | well, you'll also need a compiler and requsite linking tools, but you get what I mean |
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| 14:49.05 | brahman | Boots into kde4 after pinning kde-full to unstable ;-) |
| 14:49.53 | raa | Fah: I do, thanks, messing around with a makefile trying to use the source from /usr/src/linux-headers-<x.x.xx>/ |
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| 14:51.21 | Fah | raa: this might help: http://www.captain.at/programming/kernel-2.6/ |
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| 14:52.14 | raa | Fah: thanks, I will have a look |
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| 14:53.09 | Fah | If i recall you just need the linux-libc-dev package installed to get the right headers to build modules against |
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| 14:53.13 | abrotman | brahman: not exactly the way you were supposed to fix that issue .. but have fun |
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| 14:53.58 | raa | Fah: yeh, that was what i tought, but I have both that and the linux-headers installed via apt-get |
| 14:54.00 | rgr | since the module must be compiled with the same headers as the kernel you dhouldnt have to worry too much about versioning. Just ensure latest source is unstalled and ./configure etc as usual. |
| 14:54.18 | abrotman | you normally don't need the -source packages |
| 14:54.27 | abrotman | raa: maybe you should share the error? |
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| 14:55.29 | raa | its a simple test module, and I get the error: test1.c:1:26: error: linux/module.h: No such file or directory |
| 14:55.42 | raa | when building it with just gcc foo.c -o foo |
| 14:56.02 | abrotman | raa: uname -a |
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| 14:56.42 | raa | abrotman: Linux mirage 2.6.27-15-generic #1 SMP Tue Oct 20 06:52:09 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:56.46 | raa | Linux mirage 2.6.27-15-generic #1 SMP Tue Oct 20 06:52:09 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:56.48 | jgabor | Anyone care to mention my nick? Testing my new irssi-setup and if highlighting works as intended... :) |
| 14:56.49 | raa | ops, sorry |
| 14:56.52 | abrotman | raa: please go to #ubuntu for help |
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| 14:56.58 | abrotman | jgabor: |
| 14:57.12 | jgabor | abrotman: Perfect. Thank you :) |
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| 15:00.14 | raa | soved it |
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| 15:01.34 | raa | with a makefile, using the source from /usr/src/... or /lib/modules/... (but there the same) |
| 15:02.21 | abrotman | raa: please go to #ubuntu for help |
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| 15:03.17 | ethanol | hey we just installed 2 new lenny servers, but we probably went through the second install too quickly, cause basic things like locate are not installed. is there a package that contains these basic tools? |
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| 15:03.38 | raa | abrotman: I said I solved it.. |
| 15:03.51 | abrotman | ethanol: aptitude install "~pstandard" ? |
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| 15:05.05 | ethanol | seems pretty much like it |
| 15:05.08 | ethanol | thanks abrotman |
| 15:05.16 | ethanol | where can I find more about such switches for aptitude? |
| 15:05.41 | abrotman | ethanol: install the aptitude manual .. (not the man page) |
| 15:06.25 | abrotman | ethanol: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/ .. an online reference |
| 15:06.39 | ethanol | thanks ^^ |
| 15:06.43 | ethanol | just found that myself too |
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| 15:08.30 | StaticPhilly | evening all |
| 15:08.50 | StaticPhilly | got a quick question, does anyone know if ispcp is a dead project or if its still alive |
| 15:08.54 | cirwin | do I need the deb-src lines in apt sources? |
| 15:09.37 | jgabor | cirwin: not unless you actually want to download the sources... |
| 15:09.47 | cirwin | probably not |
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| 15:09.59 | jgabor | (to build your own packages or build from source or similar...) |
| 15:10.05 | cirwin | ok |
| 15:10.09 | cirwin | I can live without that then |
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| 15:10.16 | jgabor | Yeah, probably. :) |
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| 15:10.53 | abrotman | cirwin: you can comment them out now .. and use them later if you want |
| 15:11.02 | cirwin | that's what I did |
| 15:11.03 | abrotman | StaticPh1lly: shouldn't you ask them ? |
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| 15:11.16 | cirwin | otherwise apt-get update does a lot of work |
| 15:11.26 | abrotman | cirwin: FWIW, you should be using aptitude |
| 15:11.36 | cirwin | what's the difference? |
| 15:11.49 | abrotman | !tell cirwin about why aptitude |
| 15:12.12 | cirwin | ok, thanks |
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| 15:12.12 | StaticPh1lly | abrotman: yea lol, but with it being based at debian i thought one of you chaps might know ;) |
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| 15:12.27 | abrotman | StaticPh1lly: but this channel is for uh .. Debian support |
| 15:12.56 | StaticPh1lly | ah lol |
| 15:13.13 | StaticPh1lly | thought i switched over :P |
| 15:13.14 | abrotman | StaticPh1lly: their webpage has an update from like two weeks ago |
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| 15:14.13 | o_be_one | hello |
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| 15:17.06 | aeg | Hi a iptables question: -A OUTPUT -m state --state NEW,RELATED,ESTABLISHED -j ACCEPT isn't this the same as :OUTPUT ACCEPT ?? |
| 15:17.44 | abrotman | don't think so |
| 15:18.08 | aeg | and for a not multiehomed host ? |
| 15:18.30 | abrotman | you'd probably do better to ask #netfilter |
| 15:18.47 | aeg | i will abrotman thx |
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| 15:24.32 | alhadi | hi |
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| 15:24.41 | alhadi | does debian has xen package ? |
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| 15:24.48 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:24.55 | alhadi | ah cool |
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| 15:25.17 | alhadi | some one in another channel said that debian has no full support of hw virt |
| 15:25.27 | alhadi | i dont know about it that why i came here to ask |
| 15:25.41 | abrotman | huh? |
| 15:25.45 | abrotman | !xen |
| 15:25.45 | dpkg | it has been said that xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications. Xen achieves high performance virtualization without special hardware support. For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen . #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net. See also <virtualization>. |
| 15:25.48 | abrotman | read the wiki stuff |
| 15:25.54 | abrotman | or ask that channel mentioned |
| 15:26.03 | petemc | hw virtualisation is, unsurprisingly, a hardware thing |
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| 15:26.39 | alhadi | nice |
| 15:26.53 | DasEi | abrotman: I never tried xen, does it work in the same way as vbox or vmware ? |
| 15:26.57 | alhadi | i downloaded fedora 12 and my friend told me that for newbies debian is better |
| 15:27.00 | abrotman | petemc: though i suspect (I don't use Xen) there's a kernel flag that must be switched on? |
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| 15:27.19 | alhadi | i am windows user and switching to debian |
| 15:27.23 | petemc | abrotman: no, just need the right extensions for your processor |
| 15:27.45 | alhadi | and i see debian has more users too |
| 15:27.56 | alhadi | i never seen lots of user in any channel |
| 15:28.05 | Titan8990 | alhadi, debian isn't going to be easier than fedora but you might find that its better supported |
| 15:28.26 | DasEi | alhadi: debian and ubuntu are both high-frequented |
| 15:28.32 | alhadi | well if i learn nothing is harder . debian has more documents |
| 15:28.43 | abrotman | petemc: so not a single kernel option needs to be enabled for Xen to work correctly on the hardware ? |
| 15:29.02 | Titan8990 | alhadi, gentoo is the best learning experience but can be overwhelming for a new user |
| 15:29.10 | abrotman | can be? |
| 15:29.12 | DasEi | alhadi: for a first look why not use virtualbox and try few os'es ? |
| 15:29.17 | petemc | abrotman: other than you needing to run the xen hypervisor, no |
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| 15:29.22 | abrotman | that i knew |
| 15:29.37 | alhadi | DasEi iam trying to put a VM firewall |
| 15:29.42 | alhadi | and that is pfsense |
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| 15:30.05 | Titan8990 | alhadi, pfsense is freebsd, not linux |
| 15:30.25 | alhadi | that is why i will use virtualization under debain to support it. |
| 15:30.40 | DasEi | alhadi: unless you haven't paid for a full version, setting up vm's in vm isn't free, virtualbox is |
| 15:30.52 | alhadi | oh |
| 15:30.59 | alhadi | well i was planning to use xen ? |
| 15:31.31 | alhadi | Titan8990 gentoo has xen package ? |
| 15:31.43 | maligor | ins't vmware server also 'free' |
| 15:31.49 | Titan8990 | DasEi, vmware has plenty of free products |
| 15:32.10 | alhadi | never tried gentoo |
| 15:32.21 | alhadi | if you say to try that then i will have a look |
| 15:32.26 | rgr | DasEi: you can use VMWare for free too. |
| 15:32.29 | Titan8990 | alhadi, yes, but they are not really "packages" as you would think of a package on a normal linux distro. They are more of just scripts that instruct the package manager on how to compile the source |
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| 15:32.33 | DasEi | Titan8990: : yes, but a time-wise restriction of doing new vms |
| 15:32.54 | alhadi | ah ok |
| 15:32.56 | DasEi | rgr: the player is free, not the workstation |
| 15:33.14 | alhadi | iam actually stuck which distro to try |
| 15:33.29 | maligor | does freebsd support xen? |
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| 15:33.57 | maligor | oh, it does |
| 15:34.14 | DasEi | alhadi: either vm or vbox is an easy way to try new distros, even to harmlessly mess around (can do backups of the whole os) |
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| 15:34.44 | alhadi | vmware server? |
| 15:35.05 | ranix | alhadi: if you don't need high performance, the easiest-to-use VM is Qemu |
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| 15:35.18 | maligor | I don't quite follow tho, xen is in stable, no? |
| 15:35.30 | ranix | maligor: yes |
| 15:35.32 | Titan8990 | DasEi, player, server, and esxi |
| 15:35.43 | ranix | but people who use xen generally need very recent xen features |
| 15:35.46 | Z_God | I have a big problem with apache, I'm suddenly getting HTTP code 500 back, but nothing is in the apache logs, even when I enable debug logging any idea where I could look? |
| 15:35.56 | DasEi | y, tried them before, Titan8990 |
| 15:36.56 | Titan8990 | Z_God, recent changes? |
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| 15:37.22 | Z_God | Titan8990, not that we are aware off |
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| 15:37.40 | Z_God | no recent upgrades either as far as we can see |
| 15:37.57 | Titan8990 | Z_God, as far as you can see? do you upgrade via cron? |
| 15:38.01 | Z_God | the problem is with a php script |
| 15:38.25 | Titan8990 | what does the php script do? |
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| 15:38.43 | Z_God | no, we only check for upgrades via cron and then someone installs them, but we verified already that the packages have not been upgraded after the last time it worked |
| 15:38.47 | Z_God | it's part of gallery2 |
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| 15:39.05 | Z_God | part of the admin interface is suddenly generating these errors |
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| 15:39.25 | mbruins | hi, im running debian lenny with iceweasel now i would like to watch a embedded video (not flash) and it asks me for a plugin.. what plugin should i install for iceweasel to get a movie player embedded? any suggestion? |
| 15:39.29 | Titan8990 | Z_God, is gallery 2 part of a debian package? |
| 15:39.37 | Z_God | yes, the gallery2 pacakge |
| 15:39.40 | Z_God | package* |
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| 15:39.58 | Titan8990 | judd, versions gallery2 |
| 15:39.59 | judd | Titan8990: gallery2 -- etch: 2.1.2-2.0.etch.1 etch-security: 2.1.2-2.0.etch.1 sid: 2.3-1 squeeze: 2.3-1 |
| 15:40.10 | Titan8990 | Z_God, what version of debian? |
| 15:40.20 | Z_God | lenny with the squeeze package |
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| 15:41.37 | cahoot | Z_God: FWIW that combination runs just fine here |
| 15:41.39 | maligor | mbruins, I can think of the mozilla-plugin-vlc and totem-mozilla |
| 15:41.52 | mbruins | maligor: tanks ill give it a try |
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| 15:42.06 | Z_God | cahoot: it worked fine here too one day ago |
| 15:42.41 | Z_God | it's just surprising there is nothing in the logs, I'd expect php to return an error |
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| 15:43.12 | abrotman | did you try turning up the PHP error verbosity ? |
| 15:43.30 | mbruins | maligor: thanks it woked |
| 15:43.36 | mbruins | maligor: s/woked/worked/ |
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| 15:44.19 | maligor | mbruins, mind you, both of those provide the 'feature', and there's probably others also |
| 15:44.28 | Z_God | abrotman: nope I hadn't and I just tried, seems it revealed smth :) |
| 15:44.31 | Z_God | stupid me |
| 15:44.39 | Z_God | thanks a lot for thinking with me everybody! |
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| 15:46.24 | mbruins | maligor: yes i understand thanks.. ive use the vlc plugin |
| 15:46.28 | abrotman | accuses Titan8990 of thinking! |
| 15:46.49 | Tekk_ | any of the web developers on here? |
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| 15:47.24 | Tekk_ | I noticed an issue with your freedom definition |
| 15:47.41 | abrotman | eh? |
| 15:47.51 | maligor | heh, oh, you mean the debian webpage people and not web developers in general |
| 15:47.55 | Tekk_ | you say GPL Artistic and BSD, but the only one that fits in with all of the motivations you described is the gpl |
| 15:47.58 | Tekk_ | yeah |
| 15:48.24 | Tekk_ | in the distro I use the webpage and web developers are the same people :P |
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| 15:48.29 | abrotman | Tekk_: maybe you could provide us with a URL to reference ? |
| 15:48.40 | Tekk_ | http://www.debian.org/intro/free |
| 15:48.58 | abrotman | Tekk_: and why isn't BSDL free ? |
| 15:49.04 | Tekk_ | it is |
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| 15:49.10 | Tekk_ | but it's confusing |
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| 15:49.28 | ranix | what? |
| 15:49.30 | Tekk_ | the only license that fits in with the described motivations is the GPL, because the motivations require strong copyleft |
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| 15:50.00 | Tekk_ | someone who just randomly looks at it will think they get ALL of those things with the artistic or bsd, which makes it kinda misleading |
| 15:50.03 | abrotman | which list of motivations? |
| 15:50.10 | ranix | Tekk_: no. The Debian project has no ajenda to burn copyright at the stake or prevent you from choosing the closed-source license you require for a derivative work |
| 15:50.26 | abrotman | Tekk_: i think you're missing the key phrase: "Authors of free software on the other hand are generally looking for some combination of the following:" |
| 15:50.42 | Tekk_ | http://pastebin.com/m2fa8bcd3 |
| 15:50.43 | ranix | Tekk_: a BSD style license allows you to choose a more restrictive license than GPL at some point in the future |
| 15:51.02 | ranix | it is arguably *more* free than GPL |
| 15:51.04 | Tekk_ | ranix: ANYTHING can be relicensed as long as all copyright holders agree |
| 15:51.04 | abrotman | Tekk_: yes .. "Some combination" |
| 15:51.22 | abrotman | nothing to see here, move along :) |
| 15:51.38 | ranix | Tekk_: without altering the BSD license a BSD licensed program/library may be used where GPL may not |
| 15:51.42 | ranix | Tekk_: see Tivo |
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| 15:52.23 | Tekk_ | ranix: ahhh....Tivo. You mean that thing where they violated the license practically? |
| 15:52.43 | abrotman | they didn't violate it at all |
| 15:52.47 | Tekk_ | yes they did |
| 15:52.55 | Tekk_ | technically |
| 15:52.56 | abrotman | thinks there is a comprehension issue |
| 15:53.00 | abrotman | Tekk_: no, they did not .. |
| 15:53.03 | Tekk_ | they didn't DIRECTLY violate the license |
| 15:53.06 | ranix | this is rapidly moving into a #debian-offtopic discussion |
| 15:53.13 | Tekk_ | good poinbt |
| 15:53.17 | Tekk_ | gonna switch over |
| 15:53.19 | abrotman | or an english lesson ... |
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| 15:54.31 | brahman | !off-topic |
| 15:54.35 | abrotman | too late |
| 15:54.54 | brahman | was interesting... |
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| 15:59.37 | djkm | How to export .deb spec file? and whats the url adress? |
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| 16:00.08 | abrotman | !tell djkm about debian/rules |
| 16:00.12 | abrotman | i thiunk that's what you're asking for |
| 16:01.24 | djkm | abrotman: I need a spec file to see how to build a deb package. Thats what I wanted actually... |
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| 16:10.07 | remoteCTRL2 | hi guys! i have just cloned a mailserver with rsync but i guess i forgot to exclude some files; nameresolution is not working now, can anybody help me debug this pls? |
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| 16:10.53 | remoteCTRL2 | i have entered dns-nameservers 213.133.106.251 into /etc/network/interfaces it is also being listed in /etc/resolv.conf but it doesnt work... |
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| 16:11.26 | remoteCTRL2 | 213.133.106.251 is supposed to be ns1.your-server-de |
| 16:11.39 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, can you ping the dns server? |
| 16:11.48 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: yes i can |
| 16:12.09 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, pastebin your resolv.conf |
| 16:12.20 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: just a sec pls |
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| 16:13.03 | remoteCTRL2 | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:13.03 | remoteCTRL2 | search dk-compmath.jku.ac.at |
| 16:13.03 | remoteCTRL2 | nameserver 213.133.106.251 |
| 16:13.18 | remoteCTRL2 | the search line is still wrong but that shouldnt influence, right? |
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| 16:14.20 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: ? |
| 16:14.38 | abrotman | you can comment it out |
| 16:14.39 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, well, it should still fallback without the search... either way if you tried to search google.com it would look for google.com.dk-compmath.jku.ac.at |
| 16:15.26 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: do you happen to know from where this search lijne can come if not from /etc/network/interfaces? because it is not in there |
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| 16:17.05 | ethanol | how is debian's touch screen support? I have an aopen warm touch device, which has some kind of touchscreen input through an internal usb connector (but can't quite figure out the exact device) |
| 16:17.51 | ethanol | eGalaxyTouch or something like that |
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| 16:18.24 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, likely your hostname is a FQDN |
| 16:18.29 | Titan8990 | thats just a guess btw |
| 16:18.40 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: nope it isnt |
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| 16:19.33 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, do you have your domain defined anywhere? |
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| 16:20.11 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: nope not as far as i can see with sudo grep -r "dk-compmath.jku.ac.at" /etc/* |
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| 16:20.50 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, are you using dhcp? |
| 16:21.09 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: nope its static |
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| 16:21.58 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, whats the output of cat /etc/mailname? |
| 16:22.20 | ethanol | you guys are going offtopic :< |
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| 16:22.33 | ethanol | remoteCTRL2, you said resolve is not working. define not working. |
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| 16:23.09 | ranix | ethanol: depends on the touch controller. Elo has great linux drivers. Others, perhaps not so much |
| 16:23.13 | Titan8990 | ethanol, he asked what added the search directive to his resolv.conf, which I am curious about myself |
| 16:23.28 | Titan8990 | ethanol, I believe its going to be the domain of the FQDN in /etc/mailname |
| 16:23.30 | ethanol | ranix, yeah I found this : http://home.eeti.com.tw/web20/eGalaxTouchDriver/linuxDriver.htm |
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| 16:23.55 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: says mail.dk-compmath.jku.at which is perfectly wrong... |
| 16:24.06 | ethanol | perfectly wrong? |
| 16:24.08 | ethanol | :') |
| 16:24.13 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, thats what your system things its FQDN is |
| 16:24.19 | Titan8990 | s/things/thinks |
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| 16:24.38 | remoteCTRL2 | ethanol: well i can ping ips but not URLs/FQDNs fex. sudo apt-get update isnt working, etc |
| 16:24.52 | ranix | dns is broken |
| 16:24.52 | ethanol | remote, but you can ping your nameserver? |
| 16:24.58 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: hum... |
| 16:24.59 | ethanol | remoteCTRL2* |
| 16:25.04 | remoteCTRL2 | ethanol: yes i can |
| 16:25.20 | ethanol | and if you 'dig domain nameserver' |
| 16:25.31 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, just for testing. replace your nameserver with 4.2.2.1 in resolv.conf |
| 16:25.41 | ethanol | dig google.com 213.133.106.251 |
| 16:25.49 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: ok, just a sec pls |
| 16:26.46 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: nope doesn't work either |
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| 16:27.01 | ethanol | remote, did you try my dig? |
| 16:27.05 | ethanol | damnit |
| 16:27.13 | ethanol | remoteCTRL2* |
| 16:27.29 | remoteCTRL2 | ethanol: erm i can't i don't have a dig installed |
| 16:27.35 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, again without the search line |
| 16:27.35 | ethanol | :\ |
| 16:28.14 | remoteCTRL2 | this is really weid... |
| 16:28.24 | remoteCTRL2 | +r |
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| 16:28.49 | ethanol | I got it the wrong way around anyway, but nevermind |
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| 16:31.02 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, no luck with only the nameserver 4.2.2.1 line? |
| 16:31.19 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: nope, i am afraid not :/ |
| 16:32.07 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, then I can only assume that something is blocking/filtering DNS requests on your network |
| 16:32.35 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: but i just noticed something: i rebooted the server and now the 4.2.2.1 line is still in resolv.conf, that is not supposed to happen, right? |
| 16:32.57 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, depends, is resolvconf installed? |
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| 16:33.06 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: actually it was working just fine until i rsynced... |
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| 16:33.33 | hoot_spoot | anyone familiar with how to block wireless users on a hotspot from using PPPoE to bypass filters with iptables? |
| 16:33.40 | remoteCTRL2 | Titagawd, nope it isnt |
| 16:33.41 | Titan8990 | right, but name lookup via resolv.conf is something that would not have mattered from a disaster recovery |
| 16:33.54 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, that can be exactly the same on all your machines and it would still work properly |
| 16:34.28 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: i'm not sure if i understand? |
| 16:34.32 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, resolvconf needs to be installed for dns-nameserver directives in interfaces to work |
| 16:34.43 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: aw lord... |
| 16:34.49 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, but resolv.conf and name resolution should work regardless |
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| 16:35.01 | remoteCTRL2 | how do i get this installed without being able to connect to the sources?:D |
| 16:35.14 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, its not the problem |
| 16:35.27 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: well it isnt installed on the system that i copied from and there it works... |
| 16:36.09 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, if nothing ever changes resolv.conf, then the additional line for dns in interfaces doesn't matter |
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| 16:36.24 | hoot_spoot | sorry my client crashed.... |
| 16:36.33 | hoot_spoot | Did anyone have a knock at answering that question? |
| 16:36.57 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: sounds logical... |
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| 16:37.32 | Titan8990 | hoot_spoot, you haven't ask a question here in the last hour and 40min |
| 16:37.44 | hoot_spoot | Titan8990 thought I did |
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| 16:37.54 | eshat | hi all. VLC does only play sound on quicktime files. Any workaround ? i am on sid with debian-multimedia repo... |
| 16:37.54 | Titan8990 | hoot_spoot, not according to my logs |
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| 16:38.16 | hoot_spoot | Titan8990 Okay. So can I ask a question now, and do you want to answer it ? :) |
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| 16:39.08 | Titan8990 | hoot_spoot, I see it now, sorry |
| 16:39.16 | hoot_spoot | Hehe np |
| 16:39.18 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: ok i leeched it with wget and installed it with dpkg, now i am rebooting, lets see what that does... |
| 16:39.20 | hoot_spoot | it's all for fun |
| 16:39.32 | hoot_spoot | I run a free internet wlan for my community |
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| 16:39.54 | hoot_spoot | and I suspect someone has figured out they can use a PPPoE connection to bypass the chillispot. |
| 16:40.20 | hoot_spoot | Unfortunately my ISP just assigns the same password as the username for the DSL login. |
| 16:40.29 | hoot_spoot | So it makes it easy to guess the password. |
| 16:40.35 | jelly | and you cannot change it?? |
| 16:40.40 | hoot_spoot | jelly Right! |
| 16:40.50 | hoot_spoot | jelly days goofballs over there. |
| 16:40.50 | jelly | o.O |
| 16:41.22 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: ok, resolv.conf seems to be doing its job, resolv.conf has been ovewritten, yet still no name resolution |
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| 16:41.34 | remoteCTRL2 | this is really spooky |
| 16:41.43 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, what version of debian is this? |
| 16:41.48 | remoteCTRL2 | lenny |
| 16:41.49 | hoot_spoot | jelly and get this! The password and username are my telephone number! |
| 16:41.51 | remoteCTRL2 | 5.0.3 |
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| 16:42.00 | jeeves_Moss | how can I fix this error with apache2? http://pastebin.ca/1705701 |
| 16:42.06 | jelly | hoot_spoot: ah, mobile provider |
| 16:42.28 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, what type of gateway? does it support packet capture? |
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| 16:42.52 | Davidovich | hey, anyone knows why i dont get video output from vlc player in debian lenny? |
| 16:42.57 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: frankly i couldnt tell, its a server rpovider somewhere in germany |
| 16:43.02 | Davidovich | i want to play a mkv file |
| 16:43.18 | Davidovich | i only get sound |
| 16:43.26 | maligor | missing codec perhaps |
| 16:43.42 | Davidovich | no maligor, totem plays it fine, and i get the audio |
| 16:43.52 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, you don't have any control over the network? |
| 16:44.01 | jelly | Davidovich: run cvlc file.mkv in a terminal, see what it reports |
| 16:44.11 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: nope... but as said before that all worked until i rsynced... |
| 16:44.15 | hoot_spoot | jelly naw. It's the most common DSL provider in germany. |
| 16:44.27 | hoot_spoot | jelly daz just stupid that way. |
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| 16:44.37 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, what prompted you to restore from a backup? |
| 16:44.47 | jelly | hoot_spoot: I agree! |
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| 16:45.11 | hoot_spoot | I went around and around with three different customer service departments and technical support and had no success. |
| 16:45.28 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: i had this server running on ubuntu previously and it was a 7.10 so i upgraded it to 9.10 after that i couldnt boot it anymore and i was unable to repair it from a repair console |
| 16:45.46 | Titan8990 | hoot_spoot, i was always under the impression that there was actual ISP competition in most of europe |
| 16:45.48 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: so i set it up newly and cloned another server that has a very simila setup but this time on debian |
| 16:45.50 | Davidovich | main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `avc1'. |
| 16:45.51 | Davidovich | VLC probably does not support this sound or video format. |
| 16:45.51 | Davidovich | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:46.01 | maligor | hoot_spoot, what happens if you use someone else's phone number? |
| 16:46.08 | jelly | Davidovich: there you go -- no codec |
| 16:46.22 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, what part of the ubuntu filesystem did you restore on to debian lenny? |
| 16:46.25 | eshat | VLC does only play sound on quicktime files, no video. Any ideas ? I am on sid with debian-multimedia repo enabled |
| 16:46.26 | Davidovich | hmz, but totem and kaffeine, and smplayer do i tfine jelly |
| 16:46.36 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: none its a debian server that i cloned from |
| 16:46.52 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, not sure I understand, what is debian? |
| 16:46.54 | hoot_spoot | Titan8990 Competition in a democracy is a fascade. Did I spell that right? Democracy is communism under a different name. |
| 16:46.59 | hoot_spoot | don't push your luck! |
| 16:47.15 | jelly | hoot_spoot: I don't think I'm allowed to say anything bad about them, since I work for a company owned by a company owned by DT :-) |
| 16:47.30 | hoot_spoot | Sweden's got 100mb/s in both directions for cheap. Most in germany have junky ol DSL. |
| 16:47.45 | eshat | mplayer seems to work with quicktime mov files. but on VLC I only have sound... |
| 16:47.57 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: this server used to run ubuntu, but as i had nothing but trouble with it i kicked it and installed debian, then i copied the files from a server also running debian |
| 16:47.59 | jelly | hoot_spoot: those nasty Swede and their awful socialism! |
| 16:48.02 | hoot_spoot | jelly It's all one big company with the appearance of choice to make the slaves think they have some. |
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| 16:48.09 | maligor | hoot_spoot, well, have transparent bridge with dhcp here (ADSL) |
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| 16:48.13 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, what files? |
| 16:48.24 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: the exact command was sudo rsync -av --exclude /dev --exclude /sys --exclude /proc --exclude /tmp --exclude /boot --exclude /etc/passwd --exclude /etc/shadow --exclude /etc/network --exclude /etc/host* / root@mydomain.at:/ |
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| 16:49.00 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, and thats going from a ubuntu box to a debian box? |
| 16:49.00 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: basically all of it exept for that where i thought the differences are:D |
| 16:49.03 | hoot_spoot | jelly that internet backbone and 100mb/s service was from some enterprising swedes. That's not really socialism or market capitalism or any of these weird ideologies. |
| 16:49.14 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: nope that is going from debain to debain |
| 16:49.41 | hoot_spoot | jelly they take care of their own more or less, although there seems to be an entreprenereal spirit. |
| 16:49.50 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: i just wanted to skip setting up postfix, cyrus and open-xchange |
| 16:49.57 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, I still don't understand, where did ubuntu come in to play here? why are you copying one live system to another? |
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| 16:50.22 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: hehe once more this server used to run ubuntu, right? |
| 16:50.27 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan used to |
| 16:50.41 | hoot_spoot | jelly but look at those bankers, trying to get their claws into destroying the pirate bay. Hmm. |
| 16:50.43 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: then i crashed it by upgrading it from 7.10 to 9.10 |
| 16:50.49 | Titan8990 | I don't understand you went from ubuntu -> debian (how?) then you went from debian -> debian? |
| 16:51.09 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: then i did a clean install with debain and rsynced from another debian install |
| 16:51.31 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, where did the other debian install come from? |
| 16:51.53 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: that is another server in the almost same setup that i run on another location |
| 16:51.55 | jelly | hoot_spoot: join #debian-offtopic for more ranting, I'm stopping now |
| 16:52.00 | hoot_spoot | jelly the biggest thing with the success of the 100mb/s connection is building it out, outside of the established player. In this case you know DT like, the same. |
| 16:52.09 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: and that took me almost a month to have it running the way it is now |
| 16:52.13 | hoot_spoot | jelly k |
| 16:52.24 | cirwin | If I download a LaTeX package from CTAN, how do I install it under debian? |
| 16:52.26 | hoot_spoot | jelly so you know how? To block PPP from wireless users? |
| 16:52.39 | hoot_spoot | jelly want to throw a wrench into the mix? |
| 16:52.41 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, was the other debian box also lenny? |
| 16:52.57 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: 5.0.2 tho, not 5.0.3 |
| 16:53.14 | jelly | hoot_spoot: your machine acts as a router, right? I guess you'll be able to use iptables to block some traffic then |
| 16:53.28 | hoot_spoot | jelly yes with a wireless adapter. |
| 16:53.48 | hoot_spoot | jelly it's incoming PPPoE connections on the wireless adapter I want to have blocked. |
| 16:53.56 | jelly | hoot_spoot: I have no idea how to block pppoe though, sorry |
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| 16:55.04 | hoot_spoot | k |
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| 16:55.36 | hoot_spoot | jelly Forgive me I'm new here. Wasn't trying to rant. Just convo. I'll put it off-channel if it's not some technical stuff. |
| 16:55.45 | carnehueso | hello, i got a cctv and i want know if the philips saa7146 pci capture adapter is compatible with debian....................... |
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| 16:55.59 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: can this be kernel related? |
| 16:56.09 | hoot_spoot | carnehueso I had a similar philips card and it was. |
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| 16:56.45 | WeirdPixel | anyone know of a solution for vnc.so not being included in lenny? really need vnc on display :0 and x11vnc is too slow |
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| 16:57.05 | carnehueso | and, where i can get the driver for linux? |
| 16:57.15 | carnehueso | and, where can i get the driver for linux? |
| 16:57.19 | jelly | WeirdPixel: we don't know what "vnc.so" is. |
| 16:57.34 | carnehueso | driver o modules... lol |
| 16:58.26 | WeirdPixel | its usually in the vnc4server package, but there was some sort of incompatability with the xorg version in lenny |
| 16:58.28 | WeirdPixel | bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=495543 |
| 16:58.37 | carnehueso | is philips saa 7146 compatible with zoneminder |
| 16:58.39 | carnehueso | ? |
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| 16:58.59 | Titan8990 | remoteCTRL2, what kernel are you using? |
| 16:59.20 | remoteCTRL2 | 2.6.26-2-686-bigmem |
| 16:59.45 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: while i dont precisely know why the rescue system installed this as the machine has only 2gb od ram... |
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| 17:00.20 | DasEi | carnehueso: your only prob is to get the driver working, then any app will work with it |
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| 17:00.27 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: point is as i did not exclude the according directories rsync copied a xen kernel from the other machine including headers and modules, etc... |
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| 17:02.01 | carnehueso | DasEi, can i know before install debian in my computer, if my capture adapter is or not compatible? |
| 17:02.14 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: while in /boot still this migmem kernel is listed including vmlinuz and initrd etc... |
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| 17:03.46 | DasEi | carnehueso: I know thre is a driver for in ubuntu, have to copile it so I 'think that will do for debian, too |
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| 17:04.33 | carnehueso | ok |
| 17:04.35 | carnehueso | thanks you |
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| 17:05.04 | DasEi | carnehueso: http://www.bioticaindia.com/saa7146.html |
| 17:05.59 | remoteCTRL2 | Titan8990: well i think i'll go on crushing my head tomorrow, thanks for the help, i relly appreciate it! |
| 17:06.04 | carnehueso | DasEi that isnt free |
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| 17:06.43 | DasEi | carnehueso: got to look yourself, just to show the existance |
| 17:07.23 | carnehueso | oks |
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| 17:08.09 | carnehueso | DasEi, i live in argentinean and i dont got cash... |
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| 17:10.34 | careta | does anyone know if given a struct file object I can compare the access flags to O_RDWR to see if they were set? |
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| 17:12.13 | Titan8990 | careta, #c? |
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| 17:14.32 | carnehueso | hello |
| 17:14.42 | ccosta | I'm trying to install 2.6.31.6 kernel; I've having problems with initrd. I create the initrd img (mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31.6 2.6.31.6) and mount it (mount -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31.6 /mnt1). When I run /sbin/init in it (chroot /mnt1 /sbin/init) I see some errors (No such file, mainly; you can see them at http://pastebin.com/d6e380940). How can I put these not found files "in" the initrd img? |
| 17:15.01 | \amethyst | I'd just move the cursor up a line |
| 17:15.04 | \amethyst | doh |
| 17:15.05 | dutchfish | ccosta, lenny? |
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| 17:15.33 | ccosta | squeeze/sid |
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| 17:15.53 | dutchfish | ccosta, update-initramfs -c -k 2.6.31.6-[you flavor] |
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| 17:16.42 | dutchfish | ccosta, you can do a depmod before that phrase |
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| 17:17.18 | dutchfish | ccosta, if exists already then: update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.31.6-[you flavor] |
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| 17:18.50 | ccosta | update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.31.6 -> /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31.6 has been altered / Cannot update. Override with -t option. |
| 17:19.11 | dutchfish | ccosta, yup use -t then along |
| 17:19.34 | dutchfish | ccosta, but before that use depmod |
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| 17:20.24 | ccosta | depmod 2.6.31.6 ; update-initramfs -t -u -k 2.6.31.6 |
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| 17:20.44 | dutchfish | ccosta, just depmod; ... |
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| 17:21.38 | ccosta | but if I do just depmod the kernel used will be the current, not the 2.6.31.6 kernel |
| 17:21.52 | dutchfish | ccosta, ah ok, then |
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| 17:22.27 | dutchfish | ccosta, thought your where in this kernel already |
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| 17:23.13 | xreal | Is there a nice way to queue parallel command processing? |
| 17:23.17 | ccosta | dutchfish: no, unfortunately |
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| 17:23.44 | dutchfish | ccosta, depmod -v 2.6.31.6 then |
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| 17:26.37 | ccosta | depmod 2.6.31.6 ; update-initramfs -t -u -k 2.6.31.6 has been executed with no output; but if I try to mount this image I get an error: |
| 17:26.50 | ccosta | mount -t cramfs -o loop /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31.6 /mnt1 |
| 17:27.22 | ccosta | (wrong fs type, bad option , bad superblock ...) (perhaps I cannot do this) |
| 17:27.56 | dutchfish | ccosta, how did you make thi skernel? |
| 17:28.06 | dutchfish | ccosta, and what arch? |
| 17:28.38 | ccosta | selected the options; make; cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot/linux-2.6.31.6 |
| 17:28.53 | dutchfish | ccosta, why not the debian way? |
| 17:29.17 | dutchfish | !tell ccosta about kp-mantra (and make a package) |
| 17:29.33 | dutchfish | !tell ccosta about kp-mantra |
| 17:29.40 | Titan8990 | ccosta, if you were using gentoo you would be in business... |
| 17:30.00 | Titan8990 | ccosta, but in debian, we build packages as dutch is pointing you to |
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| 17:30.59 | ccosta | I think that compile the kernel as is would not be a problem |
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| 17:31.28 | dutchfish | Linux ws-151 2.6.32-lldesktop-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Dec 4 00:21:15 CET 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:31.44 | dutchfish | that would be a proper naming convention |
| 17:31.56 | dutchfish | or at least the arch part |
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| 17:32.39 | dutchfish | i odnt know if initramfs does handle other naming conventions porperly |
| 17:32.53 | dutchfish | s/porperly/properly |
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| 17:33.48 | ccosta | I'll try to do that in the debian way; do you think that compile a kernel as is is not a good solution? |
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| 17:34.23 | dutchfish | ccosta, if you do it the way dpkg told you, it will work and you can easely remove/purge it later at will |
| 17:34.40 | dutchfish | ccosta, without breaking the system |
| 17:34.57 | dutchfish | ccosta, welcome to the Debian world ;) |
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| 17:37.42 | TheJoe | What might cause this (and others like it): |
| 17:37.44 | TheJoe | functions.c:126: warning: passing argument 1 of âg_build_filenameâ makes pointer from integer without a cast |
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| 17:38.25 | dutchfish | TheJoe, unproper typecasting in that code |
| 17:38.42 | dutchfish | TheJoe, but its just a warning |
| 17:38.57 | TheJoe | dutchfish: Well this thing isn't building |
| 17:39.11 | TheJoe | functions.c:74: error: âSPL_THEMES_DIRâ undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 17:39.19 | TheJoe | There's a bunch of errors in the same vein as that |
| 17:39.24 | TheJoe | And I'm no programmer |
| 17:39.30 | dutchfish | TheJoe, hard to tell but that oneliner 9which prolly isnt the cause by itself) |
| 17:40.08 | dutchfish | TheJoe, what package are you trying to compile? |
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| 17:40.26 | TheJoe | http://pastebin.com/m281c0b5b Have the whole output |
| 17:40.34 | TheJoe | dutchfish: Gsplashy - plain ol' verbose is old :> |
| 17:41.43 | dutchfish | TheJoe, look slike dependicies are not met line 12 splashycnf.h |
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| 17:42.17 | dutchfish | TheJoe, libsplashy1-dev: /usr/include/splashycnf.h |
| 17:42.37 | dutchfish | TheJoe, you have prolly to install that -dev |
| 17:42.47 | TheJoe | Aha |
| 17:43.05 | TheJoe | Perfect |
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| 17:43.53 | TheJoe | dutchfish: Thanks |
| 17:43.59 | dutchfish | TheJoe, yw |
| 17:45.05 | TheJoe | Hah - didn't help much, don't have any nice verbose themes |
| 17:45.12 | TheJoe | http://linux.softpedia.com/screenshots/Linux-graphical-bootsplash_1.jpg Was hoping for something like this |
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| 17:45.20 | TheJoe | With the Debian Swirl in place of Tux |
| 17:45.33 | TheJoe | I'm sure there's a theme somewhere |
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| 17:46.36 | dutchfish | TheJoe, i am not sure, but one of those needs a special option in the kernel (not sure if it was splashy, but others surely can tell) |
| 17:47.02 | TheJoe | dutchfish: It's already configured for it |
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| 17:47.41 | dutchfish | TheJoe, and i believe you have to configure grub for it or something (at the top of my head) |
| 17:47.51 | TheJoe | dutchfish: Yeah, already done |
| 17:48.06 | TheJoe | dutchfish: Splashy itself is working, I was just hoping for an ominous swirl AND verbose |
| 17:48.28 | EvilGenius | can someone help with gnome installation ... http://paste2.org/p/551287 what would possibly go wrong << |
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| 17:48.44 | dutchfish | TheJoe, i gave up on it, because the graphics werent that swell, but grub2 in squeeze has better options |
| 17:49.26 | TheJoe | Well I'll see how this one is... |
| 17:49.37 | dutchfish | TheJoe, ok, gl |
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| 17:51.25 | cesurasean1 | how do I know if i have apachessl, or apache modssl? |
| 17:51.40 | cesurasean1 | or neither? |
| 17:51.53 | EvilGenius | can someone help with gnome installation ... http://paste2.org/p/551287 |
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| 17:55.11 | ElsharOffice | Could try httpd -v. or just hit the site with a wrong url and take a look at the version if you haven't disabled the ServerSignature directive |
| 17:55.36 | ccosta | dutchfish; I have a lot of years in debian world... but I always compile the kernel, until a couple a years ago; thanks! |
| 17:55.38 | mederEsite | is there a guide on setting up a user so he can SFTP to my server where he can only access his home folder or a specific directory, eg /www/foo |
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| 17:56.30 | qwd | Is there an Ekiga or SIP user here? I would like to see if I've set up Ekiga correctly so I would like to write a message to someone or try calling. |
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| 17:56.59 | rgr | EvilGenius: wha did you do previously to get to that? Does it boot to a shell or does it hang? |
| 17:57.00 | EvilGenius | can someone please help with gnome installation ... http://paste2.org/p/551287 |
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| 17:57.17 | EvilGenius | its a server, didn't come with a gui |
| 17:57.35 | EvilGenius | so what i did is: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome |
| 17:57.59 | EvilGenius | after all the long lines of setup, that paste is where it stopped |
| 17:58.17 | rgr | how did you copy it if it froze there? |
| 17:58.31 | EvilGenius | i didn't freeze, im logged in via SSH. |
| 17:58.43 | EvilGenius | it* |
| 17:58.55 | ehnvis | why do you need a gui on a server? |
| 17:59.02 | rgr | mederEsite: just set up keys and you can mount his home dir using sshfs. |
| 17:59.08 | macrobat | EvilGenius: do you have a custom initramfs |
| 17:59.11 | macrobat | ? |
| 17:59.20 | mederEsite | rgr: what about rssh? |
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| 17:59.28 | rgr | no idea bout it. |
| 17:59.38 | mederEsite | rgr: nevermind a home directory, how about JUST say, /www/foo/ |
| 17:59.49 | mederEsite | and no ability to browse anywhere else |
| 17:59.52 | mederEsite | or is that not possible |
| 17:59.58 | mederEsite | without heavy customization |
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| 18:00.05 | EvilGenius | Sorry rgr i've no idea about that.. but this explains more > http://paste2.org/p/551301 |
| 18:00.13 | rgr | you could share it using nfs for exampe |
| 18:00.31 | TheJoe | dutchfish: I decided in the end that a simple vga= line in GRUB looks better |
| 18:01.18 | rgr | eek. |
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| 18:01.33 | Titan8990 | EvilGenius, pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 18:02.13 | EvilGenius | src list > http://paste2.org/p/551303 |
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| 18:03.47 | Snadder | Anyone know if raid0 is alot faster than raid5? |
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| 18:05.44 | EvilGenius | Uh. Guys... any help?? |
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| 18:06.15 | macrobat | i repeat: EvilGenius: do you have a custom initramfs? |
| 18:06.33 | raz0 | Snadder, RAID0 with two disks and RAID5 with three should be about the same performance. |
| 18:06.38 | macrobat | oh, sry, didnt read the last lines. nvm |
| 18:06.40 | EvilGenius | sorry i don't know. its a basic install almost nothing. |
| 18:07.28 | Snadder | raz0, Got any documentation on that?.. So I can convince a friend that thats true? |
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| 18:08.29 | raz0 | Snadder, Wikipedia article on RAID not good enough? |
| 18:08.41 | Snadder | Sure.. if it says what you said. |
| 18:08.52 | valdyn | !raid0 |
| 18:08.52 | dpkg | well, raid0 is the wrong choice, the worst solution of several options to solve the same problem (see <LVM>). It is also a misnomer, since the R of RAID is for Redundant, and RAID0 isn't. http://bash.org/?854608 Ask me about <qotd168>. |
| 18:10.01 | Snadder | When I write to a raid5 array.. wont it take as long as the slowest disk? |
| 18:10.34 | valdyn | also independent spindles beats raids in many real world setups |
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| 18:10.35 | valdyn | Snadder: yea, but thats not very important |
| 18:11.09 | Snadder | valdyn, explain |
| 18:11.10 | valdyn | Snadder: ( unless you use an array with a mix of fast and slow disks ) |
| 18:11.31 | valdyn | Snadder: the slowest disk will be slower in the millisecond range |
| 18:11.44 | valdyn | Snadder: your write will easily compensate that |
| 18:11.52 | Snadder | valdyn, but when I write to the array.. everything has to be written to the parity disk.. wont that take long? |
| 18:12.03 | valdyn | Snadder: raid5 has no parity disk |
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| 18:12.17 | valdyn | Snadder: raid4 has one iirc, but no one uses raid4 |
| 18:12.55 | Snadder | But if I loose one disk in a raid5 setup.. it isnt lost, right? |
| 18:13.04 | valdyn | Snadder: right |
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| 18:13.14 | valdyn | Snadder: or - it depends |
| 18:13.51 | EvilGenius | i guess i'm gonna have to go with xfce again....... |
| 18:14.15 | valdyn | Snadder: a broken disk in a raid5 can also poison your raid if its not noticed that its broken |
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| 18:15.44 | reto` | EvilGenius: try xmonad? :) |
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| 18:16.41 | EvilGenius | i need it for a server, vnc. i like gnome |
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| 18:16.54 | EvilGenius | but its spitting some errors... |
| 18:17.17 | Snadder | valdyn, okay.. But a friend of my says its better to run 2 fast disks in raid instead of 6 "slow" disks in raid5 |
| 18:17.26 | valdyn | Snadder: sure |
| 18:17.27 | Snadder | raid0 |
| 18:17.32 | valdyn | Snadder: raid0 is stupid |
| 18:17.51 | valdyn | Snadder: sure its fast, but does fast outweigh doubling your risk of losing the data? |
| 18:17.53 | jhutchins_lt | Looks like yahoo may be broken in pidgin today - any confirmations, or is it just the server having a moment? |
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| 18:18.21 | Snadder | valdyn, it will only be used for temporary data anyway. |
| 18:18.26 | valdyn | Snadder: raid0 is not as fast as you might think either |
| 18:18.48 | jhutchins_lt | Snadder: raid only provides an illusion of data security. In actuallity, it's an additional point of failure - one more thing to go wrong. |
| 18:18.57 | Stereo | raid 10 ftw ! |
| 18:19.00 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: uh? |
| 18:19.04 | jhutchins_lt | It's like tape backup. It _looks_ like a good idea. |
| 18:19.11 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: geez |
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| 18:19.18 | Stereo | jhutchins_lt: so you do your backups on raid ? :) |
| 18:19.22 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: now youre confusing everyone |
| 18:20.56 | jhutchins_lt | Four of the six raid failures I handled in the past year were completely unrecoverable. The other two were controller failures. |
| 18:20.57 | valdyn | Snadder: dont take it as given that raid0 is fast for your workload. It can be, but its not in some workloads |
| 18:21.46 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: thats your anecdotical evidence, you will find plenty people that successfully replaced disks in raid1 |
| 18:21.50 | markybob | probably because you didnt regularly check to make sure nothing was wrong and by the time you noticed, two drives were dead, not just one. that's your fault |
| 18:22.15 | jhutchins_lt | markybob: An interesting speculation, but not actually the case. |
| 18:22.28 | jhutchins_lt | It's true that if you let your hardware get to be three years old you're asking for trouble. |
| 18:22.30 | markybob | that's all this is, isnt it? speculation. stop talking |
| 18:22.47 | jhutchins_lt | markybob: In my case not speculation but reporting actual experiences. |
| 18:22.47 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: why are you making all this up? |
| 18:22.53 | jhutchins_lt | Heh. |
| 18:23.07 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: then you need to fire your sys admin or stop spilling tea on the HW. |
| 18:23.24 | jhutchins_lt | People need to not take raid (or tape for that matter) at face value. |
| 18:23.57 | rgr | Nothing should be taken at face value but a good raid set up provides a lot of security. |
| 18:24.02 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: if all you want to say is that raid does not replace backup, alright, but denieing that usefulness is silly |
| 18:24.18 | rgr | nods in agreement with valdyn |
| 18:24.25 | EvilGenius | is there any way to remap gnome keyboard? |
| 18:24.34 | valdyn | EvilGenius: theres a neat applet |
| 18:24.42 | valdyn | EvilGenius: rightlick on panel, add it... |
| 18:24.42 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: It can be useful, but a lot of people have very foolish expectations of what they're getting with it. |
| 18:24.52 | Titan8990 | !keymap |
| 18:24.53 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 18:24.57 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: i can agree with that... |
| 18:25.00 | rgr | EvilGenius: there are bugs in lenny I now that meant using gnome config didn#t work for international german keyboard. I had to reconfgiure the console package. |
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| 18:25.13 | jhutchins_lt | Thinking that CPU based RAID is going to improve i/o performance, for instance. |
| 18:25.27 | EvilGenius | i just removed the faulty pkgs and vnc'd it logged in |
| 18:25.36 | EvilGenius | but keyboard is a whack :) |
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| 18:26.08 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: these are a minority. Anyone that bothers to look at raid normally has the smarts to figure out the readme. |
| 18:26.19 | goldins | is there a way to reconfigure pam without editing the pam files? |
| 18:26.53 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: There may be some out there who know what they're doing with it, but with the availability in software and on motherboards these days they sure aren't the majority. |
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| 18:27.28 | Titan8990 | !tell goldins about pam |
| 18:27.28 | markybob | please stop |
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| 18:27.37 | jhutchins_lt | I apologise, this is totally off-topic, I will desist. |
| 18:27.55 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt, there is a #debian-offtopic |
| 18:28.02 | jhutchins_lt | Ja. |
| 18:28.03 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: I think you think too much of your own knowledge and too little of others to be honest. You started by pretty much saying RAID sucks and is useless. Now its just that its too techy for others. I use LVM in Debian for raid like mirror duplication. Very good. |
| 18:28.09 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt, your in it, nvm |
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| 18:30.30 | rgr | out of curiosity who else here has configured LVM with multiple sata drives and configured mirroring in Debian? |
| 18:30.47 | Justin | mirroring in lvm or mirroring in md? |
| 18:31.01 | goldins | Titan8990: one of those links is wrong |
| 18:31.29 | rgr | Justin: md? |
| 18:31.38 | valdyn | rgr: i use lvm on top of mdraid mirrors |
| 18:31.46 | Titan8990 | goldins, they both worked for me |
| 18:31.53 | Justin | i use lvm on md on tons of small boxes with 2 sata drives |
| 18:31.55 | valdyn | rgr: never felt like trying lvm mirrors |
| 18:32.02 | goldins | Titan8990: the us.kernel.org one didn't work for me until I took out us. |
| 18:32.06 | Justin | saves a few hundred dollars on a raid controller that is overkill |
| 18:32.16 | rgr | I tried it but ended up with ... a mirror across two drives. Dont ask me how :-; |
| 18:32.34 | Titan8990 | goldins, they are both the same website, just different mirror so it shouldn't matter |
| 18:32.42 | goldins | weird |
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| 18:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | just manged to add backports and update pidgin without having to resort to IRC. |
| 18:45.14 | jhutchins_lt | Debian rocks! |
| 18:45.27 | abrotman | you mean .. using the instructions at backports.org ? |
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| 18:46.22 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Well, I'll confess to checking with the bot. Yeah, followed the online instructions, which I was able to find easily, and understand. |
| 18:47.10 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: If you'd been mired in the distribution I'm in the process of ripping out, and missing out on Debian for many years, you'd understand how miraculous that could seem. |
| 18:47.45 | jhutchins_lt | Straight-forward, undestandable documentation that actually works and is consistent with other documents. |
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| 18:47.54 | jhutchins_lt | Easy to find. |
| 18:48.30 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: that's what you get for using .. mandriva? |
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| 18:49.00 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Let's not use nasty words here <grin>. |
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| 19:05.41 | SlicerDicer | is anybody familar with why creating swraid5 would be going so slow? I am at 11% complete on initial create and its got 485min left? |
| 19:05.49 | SlicerDicer | installing lenny |
| 19:06.08 | SlicerDicer | 8hr left :/ |
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| 19:06.19 | EvilGenius | KDE Runs great! |
| 19:06.27 | SlicerDicer | lol wut? |
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| 19:06.39 | Justin | SlicerDicer: raid 5 is slow |
| 19:06.49 | SlicerDicer | Justin: I dont remember it taking this long before? |
| 19:06.58 | abrotman | SlicerDicer: how big is the partition ? |
| 19:07.13 | Justin | did you change the bandwidth allocation for raid rebuild? |
| 19:07.14 | SlicerDicer | abrotman: its 3x1tb |
| 19:07.24 | abrotman | so .. 1TB |
| 19:08.22 | SlicerDicer | Justin: hmm? I used the installcd wizard to create the softwre raid5 |
| 19:08.31 | Justin | SlicerDicer: that would be 'no' then |
| 19:08.38 | SlicerDicer | exactly :) |
| 19:08.49 | SlicerDicer | however I figure its better to explain what I did |
| 19:08.55 | Justin | 485minutes sounds about right for rebuilding 1TB |
| 19:09.02 | Justin | er, 2TB |
| 19:09.13 | SlicerDicer | :/ |
| 19:09.19 | Justin | dpkg: 3*1024*1024/100/60 |
| 19:09.20 | dpkg | 524.288 |
| 19:09.23 | Justin | see |
| 19:09.52 | abrotman | uh .. i'm dumb :) |
| 19:10.04 | SlicerDicer | well thanks Justin |
| 19:10.10 | MorkBork | hmm |
| 19:10.10 | Justin | the FS is 2TB but it does have to write 3TB to rebuild it |
| 19:10.11 | SlicerDicer | I will just let it do its thing |
| 19:10.15 | MorkBork | my raid-5 array rebuilds in like 2 hours |
| 19:10.20 | SlicerDicer | I am not looking forward to adding in the 4th disk lol |
| 19:10.25 | SlicerDicer | 4x1tb |
| 19:10.50 | MorkBork | finish=156.3min speed=104000K/sec |
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| 19:10.58 | MorkBork | 3x1TB |
| 19:11.12 | jhutchins_lt | So what do you folk store that takes up so much space? Video? |
| 19:11.23 | MorkBork | offsite backups of various projects |
| 19:11.28 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: pictures of you |
| 19:11.59 | MorkBork | business documents, etc |
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| 19:12.48 | TrueDecko | wtb newest jdk install command on debian |
| 19:13.20 | abrotman | What The Be ? |
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| 19:14.43 | simonrvn | what the butt? |
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| 19:15.13 | SlicerDicer | MorkBork: mine is 2.8ghz c2d with 4gb ram? |
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| 19:15.22 | SlicerDicer | MorkBork: any explanation why slow? |
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| 19:15.40 | MorkBork | mines just a regor core athlon II x2 250 (dual 3.0ghz) with 2gb of memory |
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| 19:16.18 | TrueDecko | hello? |
| 19:16.38 | TrueDecko | someone can pm me how to install newest jdk revision on debian 5 64x ? |
| 19:16.50 | MorkBork | SlicerDicer, in dmesg, raid6: using algorithm sse2x2 (7494 MB/s) |
| 19:16.53 | MorkBork | whats yours? |
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| 19:17.05 | SlicerDicer | sec MorkBork |
| 19:18.27 | __THEGOD | why debian has 985user limot while ubuntu has 1500 |
| 19:18.50 | simonrvn | because |
| 19:18.52 | __THEGOD | thats not fair in the name of distro wars :D |
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| 19:19.08 | simonrvn | you're not very clued WRT IRC, are you |
| 19:19.12 | SlicerDicer | working on it MorkBork |
| 19:19.19 | themill | __THEGOD: Do you have a user-support question we can help you with? |
| 19:19.36 | __THEGOD | i asked the question :P |
| 19:19.48 | MorkBork | channel limit is just to stop join flooding |
| 19:19.54 | MorkBork | not to actually keep people out (in this case) |
| 19:19.54 | __THEGOD | is there some other caseabout this |
| 19:19.55 | Clemens | Can anyone tell me where I can find a logfile that can tell me if a cronjob ran ? |
| 19:19.56 | iceroot | __THEGOD: user-support as themill said |
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| 19:21.13 | akoimeexx | What if we're just lurking for useful tidbits of information that prove useful down the road in debian, or if we might occasionally have some morsel to offer up ourselves? =p |
| 19:21.32 | SlicerDicer | http://idisk.mac.com/slicerdicer/Public/raid.jpg MorkBork |
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| 19:22.23 | SlicerDicer | MorkBork: it says mine is moar bigger? 8346MB/s? |
| 19:22.26 | MorkBork | yea |
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| 19:22.34 | TrueDecko | SlicerDicer: your pc monitor is very... new :) |
| 19:22.35 | MorkBork | thats not a problem at all |
| 19:22.49 | cahoot | Clemens: looked at /var/log/syslog? |
| 19:22.52 | SlicerDicer | TrueDecko: that one is old old |
| 19:22.54 | MorkBork | you can watch the current status of the rebuild by doing cat /proc/mdstat |
| 19:22.59 | SlicerDicer | yeah |
| 19:23.01 | MorkBork | the original estimate might have been incorrect |
| 19:23.04 | TrueDecko | i can see that, im not blind :D |
| 19:23.05 | SlicerDicer | I know thats where I find that its taking forever |
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| 19:23.57 | SlicerDicer | TrueDecko: http://idisk.mac.com/slicerdicer/Public/irack.jpg there ya go :) |
| 19:24.03 | SlicerDicer | its not my desktop monitor hehe |
| 19:24.12 | SlicerDicer | just a spare I stuck there so I have one |
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| 19:24.19 | Justin | SlicerDicer: uh, that is how fast your computer can calculate raid parity, not how fast your drives are |
| 19:24.31 | SlicerDicer | Justin: ahh ok |
| 19:25.22 | MorkBork | yea |
| 19:25.29 | MorkBork | was making sure that wasnt an issue though |
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| 19:25.50 | Justin | SlicerDicer: read the last 6 lines in your screenshot |
| 19:25.59 | TrueDecko | SlicerDicer: wtf just happened? :D |
| 19:26.22 | TrueDecko | this is ur server pc maybe? |
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| 19:26.48 | SlicerDicer | TrueDecko: no its not my server that I am working on right now |
| 19:26.51 | SlicerDicer | the server is below that hehe |
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| 19:26.58 | SlicerDicer | running lenny doing justa fine :) |
| 19:27.03 | TrueDecko | heh :D |
| 19:27.08 | TrueDecko | im decided to install debian too |
| 19:27.11 | TrueDecko | but im have some probs |
| 19:27.17 | TrueDecko | i hope im can solve it easily |
| 19:27.42 | SlicerDicer | last 6 Justin? |
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| 19:28.17 | SlicerDicer | I dont understand what that means? I am not familar with raid5 all that much |
| 19:28.36 | Justin | has nothing to do with raid5 |
| 19:28.43 | Justin | it's plain english |
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| 19:30.24 | SlicerDicer | has minimum guaranteed speed... and maximum IO? |
| 19:30.36 | Clemens | What does Dec 7 20:11:07 web /usr/bin/crontab[5357]: (root) REPLACE (vdam) say ? |
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| 19:34.20 | mike4949 | i got a synaptics touchpad, and it does work (im on testing), but i cannot 'tap'.. nothing happens when i tap |
| 19:34.48 | mike4949 | i installed gsynapicts-precision (i think it was, the long name one ; ), and it is turned on i can see.. but tapping doesnt work |
| 19:35.02 | Titan8990 | !synaptics |
| 19:35.02 | dpkg | synaptics is probably a driver for the touchpad on many laptops. For use in X, install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and "man synaptics" for driver options. If it's not working try "modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse". See also see http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html . This driver does not support X.org auto-configuration in Lenny. See also <trackpoint>. |
| 19:35.32 | Titan8990 | mike4949, usually you set tap options in xorg.conf.... or HAL fdi files if your partially insane |
| 19:36.19 | mike4949 | i know how to use vim ;), but do i rreally need to do this by hand? |
| 19:36.38 | mike4949 | it has worked in all distro's i tried / and windows without modding.... |
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| 19:37.31 | Clemens | /USR/SBIN/CRON[6020] What does the number between the brackets mean ? |
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| 19:38.37 | Clemens | "/USR/SBIN/CRON[6020]" What does the number between the brackets mean ? |
| 19:39.43 | PinkFreud | do you need to ask that twice within two minutes? |
| 19:39.57 | PinkFreud | and the number means pid. |
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| 19:40.32 | PinkFreud | great. bots. |
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| 19:40.37 | Titan8990 | mike4949, gsnaptics is a gui that should be able to configure it |
| 19:40.37 | amphi | ugh |
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| 19:41.15 | dak | wtf |
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| 19:41.34 | PinkFreud | themill: thank you. |
| 19:41.35 | dak | hey question, why do the clients show users as root ? |
| 19:41.39 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.39 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.39 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:41.39 | dak | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:41.47 | dak | ? |
| 19:41.49 | themill | dpkg: tell dak about paste |
| 19:41.57 | dak | i know about paste |
| 19:42.05 | themill | dak: so don't... |
| 19:42.06 | PinkFreud | Clemens: ahh, no problem. |
| 19:42.08 | remote | so use it |
| 19:42.31 | dak | iv been on this network for 10 years, just a quick question jesus |
| 19:42.41 | dak | strange how the ircd shows users as root thats all |
| 19:42.42 | themill | dak: try #freenode. And don't paste. |
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| 19:42.58 | dak | i really dontcare that much |
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| 19:43.43 | peter_12 | in debian perl's @INC, I don't see any of the $Config{archname} subdirectories like I do on OS X. How are architecture-dependent modules separated from architecture independent modules? |
| 19:43.52 | PinkFreud | dak: It has nothing to do with how long you've been here, and everything to do with how much you're spamming the 971 clients that aren't in your conversation. |
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| 19:46.13 | abrotman | that won't work ? |
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| 19:47.31 | milco | how do i disable desktop-composition? |
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| 19:48.20 | hevymetal87 | ok, so Im semi-veteran as far as linux usage goes... I'm building a custom electronic device which I will control through the serial port using a linux pc. what programming langauge would be best to interface to my device, reading serial data, and writing replies, as well as having a menu system ( so I need labels or a "def" like routine [ruby]) |
| 19:49.20 | PinkFreud | milco: that largely depends on which desktop you're using. |
| 19:49.25 | PinkFreud | XFCE? Gnome? KDE? |
| 19:49.40 | milco | gnome |
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| 19:50.09 | PinkFreud | ahh. not sure. haven't touched gnome in some time. |
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| 19:50.43 | hevymetal87 | hidlon |
| 19:50.47 | hevymetal87 | hildon |
| 19:50.51 | hevymetal87 | possibly gnome |
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| 19:51.03 | asaleem | I am stuck with a perl module Util::Log and validator and having hard time finding which package will give me those modules. I tried cpan and there plenty of modules with that name that seem irrelevant |
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| 19:51.03 | hevymetal87 | either my nokia n800 will control it, or a small pc |
| 19:51.21 | joltcan | hevymetal87: I would go with python, ruby or whatnot and use some module to do the gui part |
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| 19:51.40 | hevymetal87 | no gui needed, serial display, text only |
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| 19:52.51 | hevymetal87 | ok, thanks |
| 19:53.09 | milco | anyone else knows howto disable desktop composition on gnome? |
| 19:54.30 | qwd | I'm using Ekiga 3.2.5-1 on Debian Squeeze AMD64 and calls are dropped after 32 seconds. I tried opening the ports mentioned in http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Enable_port_forwarding_manually and that didn't solve the problem. This is the debug output: http://pastebin.com/d63739666 |
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| 19:55.27 | dserban | Is the lenny installer capable of running multiple installs from an image? I've looked at clonezilla, it's kinda yucky. (don't ask) |
| 19:56.44 | rgr | milco: out of curiosity what do you mean by desktop composition? |
| 19:56.44 | asaleem | I am stuck with a perl module Util::Log and validator and having hard time finding which package will give me those modules. I tried cpan and there plenty of modules with that name that seem irrelevant |
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| 19:59.00 | milco | rgr: under ubuntu/opensuse its called composition |
| 19:59.25 | Justin | milco: compositing. |
| 19:59.38 | rgr | its kind of a general word - what specifically? google shows it used in many situatins. |
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| 19:59.57 | rgr | unless you mean composite? |
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| 20:00.07 | rgr | as in xcompmgr? |
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| 20:01.57 | milco | rgr: i dont have a xcompmgr |
| 20:02.18 | rgr | I still dont know what you mean though. Composite? Or composition? |
| 20:02.18 | abrotman | milco: you mean the compositing manager like for compiz/beryl? |
| 20:03.14 | milco | i would like to turn it off... after installing my nvidia /nvidia glx driver, my X looks bad |
| 20:03.20 | milco | dirty font rendering etc |
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| 20:03.41 | rgr | that should not be from the composite mgr. |
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| 20:07.50 | milco | rgr: but i would like to turn it off |
| 20:08.18 | rgr | how did you turn it on? |
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| 20:08.55 | LordVorp | so, I want to basically "ghost" a HD, but I know it's more complicated than a simple dd... is there a good faq on this? |
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| 20:09.01 | rgr | note : I specifically start xcompmgr at session start and not use compiz or beryl or whatever the hell its caleld now. |
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| 20:12.32 | milco | its weird,... please, how do i turn off desktop-composition? |
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| 20:18.33 | puff | milco: System/Preferences/Appearance, last I looked. |
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| 20:22.14 | ]pablo[ | squeeze/sid debian-installer are fubarred since like march |
| 20:22.22 | ]pablo[ | debian installer team doesn't care? |
| 20:22.41 | milco | puff: nothing there, tripple checked |
| 20:22.46 | ]pablo[ | particularly netcfg and graphical install |
| 20:23.16 | franki^ | i installed squeeze from a weekly build about a month or two ago and it worked fine.. |
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| 20:24.18 | abrotman | ]pablo[: i just used it over the weekend, worked fine |
| 20:24.35 | ]pablo[ | i've been trying the last week and the bug reports that match my problems date from march 2009 |
| 20:24.43 | ]pablo[ | including this weekend |
| 20:24.48 | ]pablo[ | weekly and daily builds |
| 20:24.54 | abrotman | (though I didn't use the GUI part because .. it's unnecessary) |
| 20:25.03 | abrotman | ]pablo[: from which URL? |
| 20:25.09 | ]pablo[ | cdimage.debian.org |
| 20:25.16 | abrotman | where? |
| 20:25.24 | ]pablo[ | which in particular? |
| 20:25.26 | abrotman | don't make me guess at the URL you're using to get broken images |
| 20:25.45 | ]pablo[ | i've burned like 5-6 dvds and about 7-8 cds |
| 20:25.51 | abrotman | okay .. then don't tell us |
| 20:25.55 | ]pablo[ | hold on |
| 20:26.34 | ]pablo[ | daily-build with sid installer: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily.new/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:26.42 | __THEGOD | win7 sucks |
| 20:27.04 | abrotman | __THEGOD: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 20:27.07 | ]pablo[ | daily-build with squeeze installer: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily.old/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 20:27.28 | __THEGOD | isit possible to boot anylivecd usingisolinux ? |
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| 20:27.53 | abrotman | ]pablo[: dunno what to tell you .. i've installed a few machines in the last few weeks using those daily ISOs |
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| 20:28.24 | ]pablo[ | any of them had 2 network interfaces, one wireless + one cable? |
| 20:28.31 | abrotman | all? |
| 20:28.32 | vlt | Hello. I have a hard drive where smartctl shows me "2 Offline uncorrectable sectors". When I run a "-t long" it finishes w/o error. What does Offline uncorrectable sectors mean? |
| 20:28.33 | abrotman | they were laptops |
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| 20:31.20 | ]pablo[ | weird |
| 20:31.26 | ]pablo[ | 1) graphical install bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=548828 |
| 20:32.05 | abrotman | i said i didn't use the GUI install |
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| 20:33.09 | ]pablo[ | just sharing |
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| 20:34.03 | puff | milco: do, sorry, wrong chanel, I thought you were on ubuntu. No idea where it is in debian... maybe remove the appropriate compiz-related package? |
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| 20:34.13 | rgr | puff: when was the last time you checked? comcposite settings are not there. |
| 20:34.27 | puff | rgr: too slow. |
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| 20:37.20 | rgr | puff: sorry, didnt see your ubuntu comment. |
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| 20:47.08 | ]pablo[ | abrotman: 2) netcfg bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=520442 |
| 20:47.25 | ]pablo[ | they mark them as duplicates but they aren't |
| 20:47.31 | ]pablo[ | is there a way to reopen the bug? |
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| 20:47.52 | PiousMinion | Can anyone tell me what the heck "(server's X)" is refering to at http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/openvpn ? |
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| 20:48.38 | unlofl | how can I make my ssh server stop trying to resolve the domain name of vpn clients that connect to it? |
| 20:49.17 | unlofl | its two seperate systems, but my debian server keeps trying to lookup names for vpn clients in the seperate vpn subnet |
| 20:49.51 | MorkBork | UseDNS no |
| 20:49.54 | MorkBork | in sshd_config |
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| 20:54.01 | tuxcrafter | does somebody know what is the right way to disable this feature: if-up.d/mountnfs[eth0]: waiting for interface eth4 before doing NFS mounts (warning). |
| 20:54.12 | tuxcrafter | i dont have any nfs mounts |
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| 20:54.32 | tuxcrafter | and it is spitting these messages out on all my 6 interfaces |
| 20:54.34 | gyyg | how do I go about mounting my USB drive? |
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| 20:56.22 | gyyg | from command line |
| 20:56.31 | unlofl | morkbork: is there a way to make it keep doing lookups on non-vpn ips? |
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| 20:56.45 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 20:56.49 | MorkBork | you could run two separate sshd's |
| 20:56.57 | MorkBork | i dont think sshd has that much granularity |
| 20:57.17 | MorkBork | however i dont see a big problem with usedns no for all hosts |
| 20:57.29 | MorkBork | you could run a local nameserver on the ssh server |
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| 20:57.41 | MorkBork | make it forward requests, and set up zones for vpn ip addresses, so they resolve instantly |
| 20:57.55 | qwd | I'm using Ekiga 3.2.5-1 on Debian Squeeze AMD64 and calls are dropped after 32 seconds. I tried opening the ports mentioned in http://wiki.ekiga.org/index.php/Enable_port_forwarding_manually and that didn't solve the problem. This is the debug output: http://pastebin.com/d63739666 |
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| 20:59.02 | jmarsden | gyyg: Something like mount -t vfat /dev/sdb1 /media/myflashdrive # adjust sdb1 and /media/myflashdrive as needed |
| 20:59.13 | alpha | hi, im just installed Debian Lenny, and I have an ATI card (xpress 200). How do i install the 3D acceleration for my card? |
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| 21:01.19 | durka42 | what cocktail of arguments should i give to cp or rsync to copy everything, recursively, preserving all attributes and ownership and everything |
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| 21:02.22 | EvilGenius | 2.6.28.7 Kernel Headers... any idea where i can get them? |
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| 21:02.55 | nkuttler | EvilGenius: well, where did you get the kernel from? |
| 21:03.18 | EvilGenius | VMWare needs them....so.. |
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| 21:03.42 | ukl | hello. I'm pissed, I need to update my BIOS to get KVM to work and toshiba only offers windows GUI executable files - what to do? |
| 21:04.04 | jmarsden | durka42: cp -a |
| 21:04.10 | rgr | durka42: -ar I think. man cp. |
| 21:04.30 | durka42 | -a is supposed to be -dpR |
| 21:05.13 | PinkFreud | ukl: bios update usually requires a bootable floppy/cd/flash drive. the Windows executable file may simply be a zip with an executable stub, in which case 'unzip -l' should be able to show you the contents. |
| 21:05.14 | patrikf | ukl: is it a self-extracting archive? if so, there's tools to unpack that |
| 21:05.16 | nkuttler | EvilGenius: you get the headers from wherever you got the kernel from |
| 21:05.34 | patrikf | ukl: also, freedos might be able to execute the actual flash utility |
| 21:05.38 | PinkFreud | ukl: otherwise, you may need to run it on a windows box, create the bootable disk, and then use that to boot your Toshiba system |
| 21:05.42 | patrikf | ukl: or flashrom might support your system |
| 21:05.43 | Saar | is there a way to resolve a hostname depending on location? Say if you're on an internal 10.1.1.0 network hostname example.com resolves to 10.1.1.1 and if elsewhere it resolves to an external IP? |
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| 21:05.56 | EvilGenius | its a server, so came pre-installed. but the company is such a PiTB they won't provide any |
| 21:06.13 | dkr | Saar: yes |
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| 21:06.16 | rgr | durka42: its in the debian mab page quite clearly. -a or --archive. |
| 21:06.22 | rgr | man page |
| 21:06.33 | ukl | PinkFreud: tried unzip already, it fails unfortunately |
| 21:06.35 | PinkFreud | EvilGenius: a Debian server using a non-Debian kernel? |
| 21:06.37 | durka42 | yeah, i see that, thanks grg |
| 21:06.38 | PinkFreud | ukl: ick :( |
| 21:06.39 | durka42 | rgr8 |
| 21:06.44 | dkr | Saar: my yes assumes that you have your own dns server though |
| 21:06.44 | durka42 | rgr* :\ |
| 21:06.53 | d3x | hi all |
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| 21:07.02 | nkuttler | EvilGenius: so build your own kernel |
| 21:07.03 | d3x | anyone knows when kde 4.4 reaches debian repos? :) |
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| 21:07.12 | d3x | unstable/experimental - don't care |
| 21:07.14 | ukl | patrikf: I thought about freedos, but 'file' recognized the exe as a "Windows GUI" thing so I doubt it would work |
| 21:07.15 | EvilGenius | It was just setup couple of hours ago. so i have no idea... and im not much of a kernel guy either. |
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| 21:07.43 | nkuttler | EvilGenius: /msg dpkg kp, config of current kernel is in /boot/ |
| 21:07.51 | PinkFreud | EvilGenius: you might want to ask whoever set up the server, then. |
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| 21:08.08 | patrikf | ukl: yeah, but that might just be the unzip utility, try what pinkfreud said |
| 21:08.12 | EvilGenius | ok, i'll drop them a email. |
| 21:08.22 | EvilGenius | btw, any other good virtual os software? |
| 21:08.35 | alpha | im new on debian, ive used to run Arch, but now, i dont know how to install 3d acceleration for my ATI radeon (xpress 200) card. Any tips? |
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| 21:09.07 | ukl | patrikf: unzip failed, doesn't find any extractable files |
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| 21:09.33 | HRm28 | hi |
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| 21:09.42 | nkuttler | !tell EvilGenius about virtualization |
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| 21:10.30 | patrikf | ukl: well... the toshiba homepage might have a dos flasher hidden somewhere... also, you could get yourself some arbitrary windows pc and just see what that exe does |
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| 21:10.31 | ukl | patrikf: not supported by flashrom either, just checked |
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| 21:10.45 | ukl | patrikf: will follow these paths, thanks for the hints |
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| 21:10.49 | EvilGenius | thanks guy. |
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| 21:11.36 | abrotman | ]pablo[: okay .. still worked for me? |
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| 21:16.35 | helo | if am a script, and need to add a crontab line, is there anything special i need to do after i make the changes so they will take effect? |
| 21:16.59 | TheJoe | Debian is failing to boot - after each started daemon on boot I get: /etc/lsb-base-logging.sh line 269 numeric argument required |
| 21:17.05 | TheJoe | No TTYs are functioning |
| 21:17.22 | Saar | dkr: yes I do |
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| 21:17.40 | abrotman | TheJoe: what did you change? |
| 21:17.53 | Saar | dkr: what would I need to configure on my nameserver? bind9 |
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| 21:18.26 | TheJoe | abrotman: Uninstalled splashy and ran update-initframs -u, added a vga= line to menu.lst - I made sure I kept a boot line without the vga= line and I still have single user mode too |
| 21:18.32 | TheJoe | (whatever single user mode is) |
| 21:18.49 | abrotman | and what is line 269 ? |
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| 21:19.09 | TheJoe | I don't know. As I said, no TTYs are functioning so I'm unable to check the file |
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| 21:20.11 | harovali | what can be that I created a network printer with cups, and the printer is up, but are unable to issue a lpr -P LEXMARKT630 file command successfully ? It complains the queue is not created, but how am I suposed to create it if cups didn't ? |
| 21:20.31 | abrotman | did you try single user mode ? |
| 21:20.38 | TheJoe | I haven't yet, but I can |
| 21:20.58 | TheJoe | Hold on a sec - the machine in question is upstairs |
| 21:21.22 | milco | when the "setting console screen modes" service is started, i dont like that font.......... |
| 21:21.31 | milco | i like it how it is when my system initially boots |
| 21:22.57 | Joelito | anyone know a GUI utility to change the cursor theme? |
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| 21:23.50 | abrotman | Joelito: for which WM/De ? |
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| 21:24.41 | TheJoe | abrotman: It seems there's a lot of splashy code still in the file |
| 21:24.44 | Joelito | I'm using lxde, abrotman |
| 21:25.05 | TheJoe | abrotman: I assume it should all be safe to remove (what with splashy gone and all) |
| 21:25.07 | abrotman | Joelito: so yu want to change the Xorg mouse theme i think .. i know gnome/kde have tools to do that .. not sure if there's a generic GUI tool for that |
| 21:25.12 | abrotman | TheJoe: try it and see |
| 21:25.15 | abrotman | comment it out |
| 21:25.29 | sylarr | anyone knows which room may know about adobe's acrobat SDK? |
| 21:25.38 | Joelito | abrotman how about a GTK one? |
| 21:25.38 | abrotman | !pal sylarr |
| 21:25.38 | dpkg | points at sylarr and laughs |
| 21:25.52 | TheJoe | abrotman: Yeah, there's quite a few hundred lines. In fact some blocks seem identical, I think somethinf went wrong somewhere. I'll just be super risky and back up and remove |
| 21:26.05 | Titan8990 | sylarr, probably no where on freenode |
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| 21:26.15 | sixsense | hello folks |
| 21:26.15 | TheJoe | So uh, wish me luck |
| 21:26.17 | abrotman | Joelito: not that i know of |
| 21:26.28 | hark | Joelito: lxappearance |
| 21:26.32 | sixsense | littlebaby` < onjoin spam |
| 21:26.48 | Joelito | hark doesn't work well |
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| 21:26.59 | sixsense | littlebaby` is n=Windows@85.108.166.230 * FranCeTeam |
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| 21:26.59 | sylarr | I have software that want 17,000 euro for an upgrade that all it does is upgrade under the hood the acrobat from 8 to 9 |
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| 21:27.03 | abrotman | sixsense: thank you |
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| 21:27.21 | PinkFreud | sylarr: man, I'm in the wrong line of work |
| 21:27.23 | sixsense | abrotman you're welcome, sir. |
| 21:27.43 | sixsense | :] |
| 21:27.45 | sylarr | PinkFreud, arn't we all :/ |
| 21:28.14 | sylarr | how about the open source equives? |
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| 21:28.50 | sylarr | evince? does that have a room? |
| 21:28.57 | sixsense | is there any efficent way of blocking a syn flood attack on port 80? |
| 21:29.02 | hark | Joelito: then just use xsetroot |
| 21:29.25 | sixsense | 257 IPs and they are changing all the time.. |
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| 21:30.10 | Xenguy | sylarr: kpdf ? |
| 21:30.17 | TheJoe | abrotman: The whole thing was a splashy thing |
| 21:30.24 | TheJoe | Just had to remove the file, and successful boot |
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| 21:30.43 | abrotman | yay |
| 21:32.18 | sylarr | Xenguy, no one there |
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| 21:32.57 | Xenguy | sylarr: never been there myself; was only referring to the software itself |
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| 21:33.47 | jpinx-eeepc | sixsense: botnet attack? |
| 21:34.25 | sixsense | jpinx-eeepc looks like it |
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| 21:35.06 | jpinx-eeepc | sixsense: ouch! all the remedies I know are IP specific. |
| 21:35.14 | sixsense | jpinx-eeepc i managed to automatically dig all of the attacking IPs and i keep adding them to iptables -j DROP but it doesn't seem to help much |
| 21:35.46 | sixsense | i'm quite shocked to see how easy it is to pull a port down... |
| 21:35.49 | jpinx-eeepc | sixsense: you'll be hard pressed to keep up with a botnet |
| 21:36.09 | sixsense | i figured... |
| 21:36.28 | Xenguy | sixsense: sic your own botnet on them! ;-) |
| 21:36.41 | jpinx-eeepc | sixsense: you must have something mighty important on that server... |
| 21:37.05 | sixsense | yes.. it's quite popular :) |
| 21:37.27 | sixsense | and people just can't stand it :) |
| 21:37.31 | sixsense | some* people |
| 21:37.48 | Xenguy | sixsense: fess up =) |
| 21:37.50 | sixsense | are there any companies that can rent a box with hardware firewall? |
| 21:37.57 | Xenguy | PHB |
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| 21:38.01 | jpinx-eeepc | sixsense: where are they getting the link to connect? Can you change the links that people are using and use a different port? |
| 21:38.02 | sixsense | there must be a way.. |
| 21:38.28 | jpinx-eeepc | sixsense: I don't think a firewall will stop a botnet |
| 21:38.45 | sixsense | jpinx-eeepc i'm changing the service port every few mins.. and i publish it on www for people so they can connect... but those kiddies started attacking port 80 now so people can't read lol |
| 21:39.09 | simonrvn | sixsense: best you can do is get your upstream to null route them |
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| 21:39.19 | sixsense | jpinx-eeepc there must be a way to stop syn flood on the router |
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| 21:39.29 | sixsense | simonrvn null route? |
| 21:39.39 | sixsense | and yes.. i have an empty 1gbit link there... |
| 21:39.40 | jpinx-eeepc | sixsense: what simonrvn says ..... |
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| 21:39.53 | simonrvn | they'll know. send packets from a source down to localhost |
| 21:40.07 | sixsense | i even managed to bring down some host that i suspected to be sending crafted packets.. it helped for a day |
| 21:40.14 | simonrvn | blackhole 199.34.20.100 proto zebra e.g. |
| 21:40.27 | sixsense | hrm |
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| 21:40.58 | sixsense | simonrvn, jpinx-eeepc: i have never even tried that before |
| 21:41.03 | jpinx-eeepc | sixsense: there will be some common factor in the botnets packets that you might be able to filter on |
| 21:41.06 | sixsense | so not really sure if i understand what to do |
| 21:41.09 | simonrvn | route -n 's view: 211.5.110.70 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH 0 0 0 * |
| 21:41.25 | simonrvn | upstream should do that, like i said |
| 21:41.41 | simonrvn | they'll still suck up bandwidth if you do it on your link |
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| 21:41.59 | sixsense | hmm |
| 21:42.17 | simonrvn | but the tradeoff is that they won't be able to connect *at all* |
| 21:42.36 | sixsense | i don't care much about bw for now as i have plenty |
| 21:42.40 | simonrvn | they're get something like "host unreachable" or "connection refused" |
| 21:42.46 | simonrvn | they'll* |
| 21:42.51 | sixsense | that would be good. |
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| 21:43.12 | sixsense | but again, those are like 250+ IPs sucking on the port |
| 21:43.41 | simonrvn | 12716 |
| 21:43.50 | sixsense | so do i null them with route command? is that what you meant? |
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| 21:44.01 | sixsense | i'm sorry, i have never dealt with such crap before |
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| 21:44.06 | EugenA | i'm new to debian, how long will i get updates for debian? |
| 21:44.15 | jetscreamer | quite a while |
| 21:44.26 | sixsense | 12716 <-- nice, simonrvn. |
| 21:44.47 | simonrvn | sixsense: i use a script with my quagga daemon: exec sh -c "vtysh -c 'conf t' -c 'ip route ${OPTARG}/32 Null0' -c 'exit'" is the guts of it |
| 21:44.56 | jpinx-eeepc | EugenA: what did you install? |
| 21:45.04 | sixsense | simonrvn damn.. that's leet :) |
| 21:45.23 | simonrvn | nah, just a bit of research and knowledge |
| 21:45.43 | sixsense | yes, i do need to start reading then... at least you have shown me the light together with jpinx-eeepc |
| 21:45.48 | EugenA | jpinx-eeepc: i got debian-503-i386-netinst.iso and installed it |
| 21:45.57 | simonrvn | sixsense: hope it helps |
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| 21:47.05 | jpinx-eeepc | EugenA: great! it will get security updates occasionally |
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| 21:47.18 | jpinx-eeepc | !updates |
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| 21:47.25 | jpinx-eeepc | !update |
| 21:47.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, update is apt-get update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade or before looking for stuff with apt-cache search. |
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| 21:47.39 | TheJoe | Are there any benefits in using upstart? |
| 21:47.54 | paultag | Hey, any Alioth hackers around? I Have a simple question :) |
| 21:48.43 | HRm28 | hi |
| 21:48.43 | beardy | First, just ask, second, ask somewhere appropriate. The name of this channel is not #alioth, but see point 1. |
| 21:48.48 | sixsense | simonrvn: http://spamcleaner.net/en/misc/floodmon.html ? |
| 21:49.09 | sixsense | do you think that it works the same way as you described? |
| 21:49.22 | paultag | beardy, #alioth is empty. |
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| 21:49.47 | simonrvn | sixsense: yeh, i've heard of it. it could help. i haven't used it though. |
| 21:50.10 | paultag | beardy, I am picking up a package in colab-maint, and I would like to add a webpage. Is the root under the git tree + /org/alioth.debian.org/chroot/home/groups/<project>/htdocs |
| 21:50.30 | sixsense | simonrvn ok.. reading on |
| 21:50.30 | paultag | beardy, if the project is collab-maint/fluxbox.git what would <project> be? |
| 21:52.18 | themill | paultag: you might do better in #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 21:52.30 | paultag | thanks themill, I'll do that :) |
| 21:52.54 | paultag | thanks beardy. |
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| 22:01.56 | dkr | harovali: what is the error message? |
| 22:02.22 | dkr | maybe the name is not exactly right? check /etc/cups/printers.conf |
| 22:02.35 | puff | themill: Hey, I hear you know a lot about dpkg stuff. |
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| 22:02.50 | thrope | hi - whats the command I need to dump a list of installed packages to a file for backing up |
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| 22:03.20 | puff | thrope: dpkg --get-selections |
| 22:03.28 | thrope | puff: great thanks |
| 22:03.40 | puff | thrope: That will list all of the debian packages that are currently installed. |
| 22:03.48 | thrope | yep thats what I wanted |
| 22:04.04 | EugenA | jpinx-eeepc: well, but will i get security updates also after 5 years? |
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| 22:04.58 | harovali | dkr: please, see http://pastebin.com/m64e359c0 |
| 22:05.05 | jpinx-eeepc | EugenA: a bit more frequent than that ;) |
| 22:05.06 | puff | thrope: Note that using dpkg --set-selections later will result in "aptitude search -i" thinknig that all of the packages you pumped into --set-selections were manually installed. |
| 22:05.29 | thrope | puff: is there a better way? |
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| 22:05.50 | puff | thrope: Than setting them with --set-selections? I haven't figured that one out yet, was hoping themill would help me. |
| 22:05.58 | themill | !aptitude clone |
| 22:05.58 | dpkg | To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>. <debian clone> |
| 22:06.05 | themill | puff: hmmm? |
| 22:06.28 | puff | thrope: What themill said :-). |
| 22:06.37 | dkr | EugenA: the nice thing about debian is that you can easily and safely version upgrade the system in place, so you don't need to have security updates for a 5 year old version. |
| 22:07.53 | harovali | dkr: did the error clarify the issue ? |
| 22:07.54 | jpinx-eeepc | EugenA: you will never have to re-install - only update and upgrade |
| 22:08.01 | puff | !reinstall |
| 22:08.01 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 22:08.25 | puff | !things to backup |
| 22:08.25 | dpkg | A list of some of the things you should back up on your box is: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor this list to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/spool/mail /var/www /var/cache/debconf ... |
| 22:08.25 | puff | !debian clone |
| 22:08.25 | dpkg | One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup>. |
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| 22:09.02 | EugenA | jpinx-eeepc: great :-) |
| 22:09.12 | themill | puff: you can also "/msg dpkg debian clone" as not all 975 others in the channel care. |
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| 22:09.23 | jetscreamer | !selftell |
| 22:09.23 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 22:09.32 | jpinx-eeepc | EugenA: enjoy - and hang out in here to read what everyone is doing..;) |
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| 22:09.48 | jetscreamer | oh nvm i'm slow |
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| 22:10.24 | jpinx-eeepc | jetscreamer: it goes !tell <user> about selftell ;) |
| 22:10.55 | puff | jetscreamer: Doh, sorry. |
| 22:11.11 | puff | themill: So, long story short, I have box 1 with broken dependencies and box 2, built from scratch. |
| 22:11.39 | puff | themill: I need to migrate from hardware 1 at hosting center 1 to hardware 2 at hosting center 2. |
| 22:12.12 | puff | So I did dpkg --get-selections > packageslist.txt ; dpkg --set-selections < packageslist.txt |
| 22:12.55 | puff | But that lead to all sorts of dependency conflicts when I tried "sudo aptitude --download-only install". |
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| 22:13.32 | abrotman | puff: on which version of Debian ? |
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| 22:13.47 | themill | puff: what does "aptitude -f install" say (stick it in a pastebin) also the output of "apt-cache policy" would be handy |
| 22:13.47 | abrotman | or rather .. to/from which version of debian? |
| 22:13.48 | puff | So I'm trying to figure out how to back out and, instead, just install the packages that I know I need. I read the man pages for dpkg but they weren't terribly helpful. -clear-selections looked relevant but it was talking about deinstalling everything, which didn't seem right. |
| 22:14.43 | puff | hangon, will look up both. |
| 22:15.03 | thrope | can anyone point me to any links about debians own python packaging strategy dist-utils vs site-packages /usr/lib vs /usr/local/lib etc |
| 22:15.25 | abrotman | Debian doesn't put stuff in /usr/local/lib/ |
| 22:15.26 | thrope | anything on the rationale for it, what advatnages its supposed to give etc. |
| 22:15.37 | thrope | it seems its a complete pain from a python pov |
| 22:15.54 | dondelelcaro | thrope: see the python policy |
| 22:15.55 | thrope | abrotman: but it makes setuptools install stuff in /usr/local/lib/.../dist-utils |
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| 22:16.12 | dondelelcaro | thrope: yes, because anything which is installed by the local admin has to go there |
| 22:16.13 | thrope | whats the point of that? if you installed it yourself with setuptools its not a dist-package is it? |
| 22:16.23 | abrotman | thrope: so you don't want it to put stuff in /usr/local/ ? |
| 22:16.28 | thrope | no thats fine |
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| 22:16.34 | thrope | why reanme it form site-packages? |
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| 22:16.41 | gauge | I have nfs set up on my debian server. I think. How can I tell it's it was doen right? |
| 22:16.44 | themill | thrope: up until python2.6, these were the places that the python developers said should be used by distributors. |
| 22:16.49 | thrope | and why break the standard python way of installing for users --user |
| 22:16.51 | vlt | Hello. Is it possible to have a hard disk (partition) as an md raid spare device and send it to sleep (hdparm -y) or does md or the kernel need to access the device every now and then? |
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| 22:17.37 | thrope | anyway python policy was the keywords I was looking for - I'll read that ... thanks |
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| 22:17.41 | chatZilla | Quote: "GNU IceCat, formerly known as GNU IceWeasel,[2] is a free software web browser distributed by the GNU Project. It is a fork of Mozilla Firefox. It is compatible with both the Linux and Mac OS X (10.4 and 10.5) operating systems." Does that mean there's no more firefox? When will it be the default web browser for debian instead of firefox? |
| 22:17.57 | dondelelcaro | vlt: you can just do it manually |
| 22:17.59 | abrotman | !tell chatZilla about why iceweasel |
| 22:18.04 | chatZilla | *i don't mean firefox i mean iceweasel |
| 22:18.34 | chatZilla | so Iceweasel was renamed gnu icecat? |
| 22:18.34 | dondelelcaro | chatZilla: that's gnu's fork; we distribute a renamed and rebranded version of firefox |
| 22:18.35 | dondelelcaro | chatZilla: no |
| 22:18.45 | dondelelcaro | chatZilla: GNU Iceweasel was renamed GNU IceCat |
| 22:18.50 | vlt | dondelelcaro: Do what manually? |
| 22:19.00 | dondelelcaro | vlt: hdparm -y /dev/physicaldevice; |
| 22:19.01 | chatZilla | oh |
| 22:19.09 | abrotman | chatZilla: GNU used to have a package called Iceweasel, which they renamed to IceCat .. That software isn't related to the Debian Iceweasel |
| 22:19.35 | chatZilla | so debian uses iceweasel and gnu used to use gnu iceweasel which is different from iceweasel but not it renamed it to gnu icecat!? |
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| 22:19.45 | abrotman | roughly |
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| 22:20.04 | abrotman | though i think you mean "but now it renamed" |
| 22:20.34 | vlt | dondelelcaro: Yes, but it doesn't make much sense when the disk needs to spin up a few minutes later because md needs to update a header or checksum or just read to test if it's still there ... |
| 22:20.50 | chatZilla | can I get a link to a description of Debian Iceweasel? One that explains the difference between it and firefox? |
| 22:21.04 | dondelelcaro | vlt: if md needs to access it, the drive is going to be spun up again |
| 22:21.05 | themill | chatZilla: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 22:21.07 | jhutchins_lt | Hint to developers: _Before_ selecting a project name, see how many hits the proposed name gets on Google. |
| 22:21.27 | chatZilla | jhutchins: exactly! |
| 22:21.36 | abrotman | chatZilla: see what the bot told you |
| 22:22.21 | SPF | I made a script with in it: sed -i -e 'd1' $1, but when I execute the script, the script removes the ''. Same with " |
| 22:22.58 | vlt | dondelelcaro: Yes, indeed. And that's my question. The drice will propably die before ever stand in for another disk when it soins down and up again every few minutes. |
| 22:23.07 | vlt | *drive |
| 22:23.20 | vlt | *spins |
| 22:23.27 | puff | http://debian.pastebin.com/d45fa654c |
| 22:23.40 | puff | abrotman, themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/d45fa654c |
| 22:24.01 | abrotman | puff: you do realize those are different versions of debian .. right ? |
| 22:24.11 | dondelelcaro | vlt: why don't you just put it to sleep manually, and find out? normally the kernel shouldn't need to access it directly |
| 22:24.12 | abrotman | puff: and you still didn't read what the bot said |
| 22:24.49 | puff | abrotman: Yes, I realize those are separate versions. How is that relevant? |
| 22:24.59 | abrotman | they may have different package names |
| 22:25.05 | puff | abrotman: Ah... I see. |
| 22:25.18 | puff | abrotman: Package renaming is really a pain :-) |
| 22:25.40 | puff | abrotman: I kinda expected the package names to stay the same. |
| 22:25.40 | abrotman | puff: what is the purpose of the machine ? |
| 22:25.59 | chatZilla | I love debian's philosophy |
| 22:26.07 | puff | abrotman: Regardless, all Iw ant to do at this point is back ou the dpkg --set-selection stuff and just manually select and install the top-level packages. |
| 22:26.12 | themill | puff: yikes... see if "aptitude -f dist-upgrade" to see if it can do more automagically. |
| 22:26.46 | puff | abrotman: it's a general purpose host for a small group; shell accounts, email, webmail, webserver, IMAP , etc. |
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| 22:26.56 | puff | abrotman: Small group of mostly programmers, etc. |
| 22:27.00 | ubsafder | hello again |
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| 22:27.25 | gauge | I'm havign a bit of trouble with my nfs server settings, anyone familiar w/ this? |
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| 22:27.34 | vlt | dondelelcaro: I'd rather know these things an advance ;-) |
| 22:27.57 | puff | themill: Yeah, well I tried --clear-selections based on a recommendation from somebody here, and sadly it did what I expected it to do, which was try to unintall all of the currently installed packages. |
| 22:28.18 | puff | themill: I did --get-selections first to make a backup of the current settings. |
| 22:28.41 | ubsafder | can i force a arch change with dpkg |
| 22:29.00 | abrotman | ubsafder: like magically "upgrade" from i386 to amd64 ? |
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| 22:30.11 | ubsafder | no from arm to armel |
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| 22:30.31 | abrotman | the same thing |
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| 22:30.47 | ubsafder | but magically would be nice |
| 22:30.51 | gyyg | hey, how can i search for proccesses by UID? |
| 22:31.08 | abrotman | gyyg: pgrep |
| 22:31.19 | puff | abrotman, themill: I'm wondering if, at this point, I should just write a perl script that looks at /var/lib/dpkg/status and, where a package is _actually_ installed, e.g. "Status: deinstall ok installed" change it to not deinstall it. |
| 22:31.27 | AimHere | or ps aux|grep foo |
| 22:31.33 | abrotman | did you try --clear-status ? |
| 22:31.46 | abrotman | erm .. --clear-selections |
| 22:31.51 | gyyg | what if they are hidden processes is that possible? |
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| 22:32.00 | gyyg | it shows up in the /proc directory |
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| 22:32.03 | puff | abrotman: what clear-st...ah, yeah, I tried clear-selections. |
| 22:32.05 | gyyg | but not in ps -e? |
| 22:32.12 | puff | abrotman: And now it wants to uninstall everything. |
| 22:32.26 | abrotman | okay .. so then set stuff you want to keep to 'install' |
| 22:32.38 | puff | abrotman: Righ. |
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| 22:33.11 | magmarules | Guys im trying to install rails in a amd64 machine but "gem install rails" says it cant find rails in the repositories. The "gem" in the machine seems to be 0.9.0. When i run apt-get install gems=1.1-3 it says it installed but i cant find it anywhere=( any tip ? |
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| 22:33.25 | jeeves_Moss | I'm having this issue with my server. it's a v-hosted install of Apache2, and now, after a reboot, I'm getting a "SUEXEC wrapper" error. Nothing that I know has changed since the last reboot. and now, I can't get any kind of connections to my database server |
| 22:33.37 | puff | abrotman: come to think of it, I could just have the perl script search /var/lib/dpkg/status for "deinstall ok installed" and print out the package names, then feed that into set-selections. |
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| 22:34.01 | puff | Is there anything besides /var/lib/dpkg/status that gets edited by --set-selections and the like? |
| 22:34.02 | themill | puff: there's probably an aptitude search that can do that automagically.... |
| 22:34.17 | puff | And are there docs for the internals of dpkg/apt/etc? |
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| 22:34.57 | dondelelcaro | puff: some, but you generally don't need to know about them |
| 22:35.21 | dondelelcaro | (and if you do, the source is the most definitive, anyway) |
| 22:36.10 | themill | puff: does "aptitude search ~aremove" give you a good list of what's going to be removed? |
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| 22:36.24 | puff | dondelelcaro: Ah... well, I'd get to the source eventually, I guess, but I do better if I have some overview first. |
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| 22:36.51 | Caelum | how come this command doesn't work: fortune 50% ru 50% all |
| 22:37.35 | puff | themill: It gives me a logn list, whether it's a _good_ list... |
| 22:37.58 | Caelum | the fortune man page says 'all' is a special keyword |
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| 22:38.06 | puff | themill: aptitude search ~aremove | wc => 176. dpkg -l | wc => 206. |
| 22:38.12 | calliscope | hello everyone, is SSH always a tunnel ? |
| 22:38.23 | Caelum | ssh can make tunnels |
| 22:38.31 | Caelum | but it itself is not a tunnel |
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| 22:38.39 | dondelelcaro | calliscope: that's sort of a nonsensical question |
| 22:39.01 | themill | puff: hmm.... how about: "aptitude -f full-upgrade ~aremove+" (nfc if that's going to do what we want or not....) |
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| 22:39.15 | puff | calliscope: The ambiguity of your question suggests that you have another question in mind but have not accurately phrased your question in order to answer the true question. |
| 22:39.15 | helo | ssh establishes a secure "tunnel" over which you can do any number of things |
| 22:39.39 | puff | themill: What do you think that's gonig to do? |
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| 22:39.53 | bzrk | helo: not necessarily, i can be used that way but standard ssh is just a tcp connection |
| 22:40.10 | puff | themill: I'm leaning towards grepping /var/lib/dpkg/status to get the acutally-installed-but-marked-for-deinstall package list. |
| 22:40.31 | dondelelcaro | puff: nah, just use aptitude search for that |
| 22:40.47 | themill | puff: "~aremove" selects packages currently marked for removal, + tells them to be installed. |
| 22:40.56 | puff | themill: The only thing I don't like about this approach is that it will show them all as manually installed in the future. |
| 22:41.14 | dondelelcaro | puff: you can mark them as automatically installed fairly easily |
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| 22:41.42 | dondelelcaro | puff: +M is your friend; man aptitude; and see the aptitude manual for details |
| 22:41.42 | themill | puff: "aptitude -f full-upgrade ~aremove+M" ... but that will mark them all as being automatically installed |
| 22:42.08 | helo | bzrk: you think ssh connections generally result in something other than what i described? |
| 22:42.39 | calliscope | puff : actually yes : i am trying to set the connection from work to my home desktop and wondered whether the admin will "see" the contents of the transactions or just a passing flow of encrypted data |
| 22:43.02 | bzrk | helo: well a "normal" ssh connection isnt really a tunnel, but it borders on nitpicking to debate it |
| 22:43.23 | helo | feels like a tunnel to me :) |
| 22:43.28 | calliscope | so there is something like the "tunneling" feature of ssh connection ? |
| 22:43.36 | helo | yes... it is quite nice... |
| 22:43.49 | calliscope | how would you enable this feature ? |
| 22:44.04 | bzrk | calliscope: depends on what you want to do |
| 22:44.06 | calliscope | i guess the passwd auth is not the way to do it |
| 22:44.19 | bzrk | calliscope: probably -L is what you are looking for |
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| 22:44.40 | helo | you will love the syntax |
| 22:44.48 | calliscope | use putty to connect to home from work in order to maintain and toy with my sidbox, and eventually download stuff |
| 22:45.14 | bzrk | calliscope: you probably dont need to tunnel for that |
| 22:45.17 | nevyn | hrm does anyone know if openssh can do the equivilant of plink -nc somehow? |
| 22:45.18 | calliscope | i.e. be lazy at work the way i do at home xD |
| 22:45.31 | bzrk | calliscope: cant you just ssh into the box for that? |
| 22:45.51 | puff | bzrk: I think that's what he's asking. |
| 22:45.56 | calliscope | yes, but i wondered what my working place admin could see this way |
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| 22:46.08 | puff | bzrk: E.g. he's trying to figure out how secure he is, how much info is visible, etc. |
| 22:46.14 | bzrk | puff: yeah now i think so too ^^ |
| 22:46.35 | bzrk | calliscope: he will see a tcp connection outgoing to your box at home |
| 22:47.05 | calliscope | exactly, you understand my questionning (sorry, i am french :/) |
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| 22:47.30 | puff | dondelelcaro, themill: I am trying to fully understand what you're suggesting... how does "aptitude -f full-upgrade ~aremove+M" limit itself to just the deinstalled packages that are already installed? |
| 22:48.52 | themill | puff: it selects packages for which there is an "action" defined to "remove" them. That's only packages in that particular state. |
| 22:48.52 | themill | puff: BTW do you still have the dpkg --get-selections output from the original box? Just reapply that might be easiest. |
| 22:49.03 | calliscope | because also, when sshd listens to -p 22, it means anyone connecting to my ip is like on front of the cli login |
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| 22:49.44 | calliscope | i have strong passwds, but this seems weird to me |
| 22:50.10 | puff | themill: Well the --get-selections ouput from the original box was what got me into this trouble :-). |
| 22:50.20 | bzrk | calliscope: hehe yeah well there are lots of things you can do if you feel paranoid about that |
| 22:50.33 | bzrk | calliscope: but in general thats the idea of ssh |
| 22:50.47 | puff | themill: So packages which are specified deinstall but weren't actually installed to begin with, won't have a remove action defined? |
| 22:50.58 | calliscope | ok so i don't have it wrong, i just haven't gotten everything |
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| 22:51.39 | bzrk | calliscope: yeah ssh can do lots and lots of stuff, but basically it is an encrypted cli login over the net |
| 22:51.57 | puff | calliscope: Also, you might want to consider traffic analysis vulnerabilities, if oy're really paranoid |
| 22:51.59 | themill | puff: reapplying that --get-selections output isn't going to set you back any further than you currently are though, is it? |
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| 22:52.10 | puff | themill: No. |
| 22:52.18 | puff | themill: Reapplying it is easy enough, but then what? |
| 22:52.39 | puff | themill: I guess I could reapply it, then search for stuff that's scheduled to be installed but not actually installed. |
| 22:52.49 | calliscope | i'm not that paranoïd (i guess that's what they all say) - just wondering if there was a sort of "wine-leaf" to cover that |
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| 22:52.53 | themill | puff: then "aptitude -f dist-upgrade" and hope aptitude is smart enough to solve the problems. |
| 22:53.02 | puff | themill: Heh. |
| 22:53.21 | puff | themill: Well, I still have the old box, so I can give it a shot. |
| 22:53.21 | bzrk | calliscope: probably the easiest thing is to change the ssh port from standard 22 to something else |
| 22:53.38 | calliscope | bzrk > would you please cite one of the covers you suggested there exists so as to target my search on big-browser ? |
| 22:53.46 | calliscope | ah, ok... |
| 22:53.53 | calliscope | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.00 | bzrk | calliscope: hmm change port, denyhosts, portknocking are a few things that come to mind |
| 22:54.22 | bzrk | calliscope: key auth instead of pw auth |
| 22:54.29 | bzrk | there are lots of things you can do |
| 22:55.03 | puff | themill: Okay, so I jsut did set-selections and am now kicking off -f dist-upgrade. |
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| 22:55.17 | calliscope | this sounds like more than enough - port : 7*** - i'll look into how denyhosts works - portknocking is maybe unecessary since my home desktop is behind a router |
| 22:55.27 | puff | themill: Hm, it didn't do anything. |
| 22:55.42 | calliscope | key auth is more secure ? i thought they found great vulnerabilities no long ago ? |
| 22:55.48 | calliscope | at least so i heard |
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| 22:55.55 | themill | puff: ergh... what does "aptitude -f install" want to do now? |
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| 22:57.20 | bzrk | calliscope: key auth just adds another layer to the security |
| 22:57.42 | bzrk | calliscope: even if someone guesses your password he still needs your key |
| 22:58.13 | puff | themill: Here's the dist-upgrade pastebin, one sec while I assemble the -f install pastebin... but it ain't pretty. |
| 22:58.17 | puff | themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/d316091f4 |
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| 22:58.40 | calliscope | ok, this is cool, exactlythe kind of stuff i needed to feel better about this ssh stuff |
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| 22:59.19 | calliscope | but the data exchanged itself is not secured in a tunnel ? I mean the package flow |
| 22:59.38 | bzrk | calliscope: the data flow is encrypted of course |
| 22:59.53 | bzrk | its ssh over tcp/ip |
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| 23:00.22 | realh | Hi, i'm trying to isntall nvidia's drivers for my laptop, but when I run the driver it says I need to shutdown X |
| 23:00.35 | bzrk | calliscope: ssh CAN tunnel other protocols, like ip(tcp(ssh(arbitrary data))) |
| 23:00.37 | realh | Oh well, I do that, but then the gdm starts running again automaticlly |
| 23:00.45 | realh | And it doesn't let me do anything in console |
| 23:00.59 | calliscope | and in ssh the logging in itself is also secured ? like ssl or something ? |
| 23:00.59 | bzrk | calliscope: but in general it does not tunnel, its just ssh data over tcp/ip |
| 23:01.10 | bzrk | calliscope: yes |
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| 23:01.48 | en1gma | i ram running debian squeeze on my p4 2.8ghz HT with 2gig ram and the onboard 865gm2 chipset.....i also have a gf4 mx 440 with 64MB mem....which one should i be using |
| 23:01.50 | calliscope | ok, apart from the fact that tunnelling is an option (in that case i guess i have more research to do on this theme) i get it. |
| 23:01.59 | puff | themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/d2b481615 |
| 23:02.03 | bzrk | calliscope: good good :) |
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| 23:02.46 | calliscope | bzrk > thank you for you help - guess you upgraded your karma there :D |
| 23:02.57 | bzrk | calliscope: yw ;) |
| 23:03.03 | themill | puff: looks better than anything else I've seen from that box of yours so far |
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| 23:03.08 | puff | Hee. |
| 23:03.19 | en1gma | the 865gm2 onboard is newer then the gf4 mx 440....but the mx440 has 64MB dedicated memeory |
| 23:03.27 | en1gma | so i dont know which one is actually better |
| 23:03.49 | abrotman | better for what? |
| 23:04.14 | puff | themill: Well, at this point, I'm thinking if I can do an aptitude saerch that lists the acutally installed packages, then remove those from the --set-selections input file, then use that input file to remove the marked-for-install-but-not-actually-installed packages... |
| 23:04.18 | en1gma | prob just at desktop |
| 23:04.20 | puff | themill: Then I'd be happy to go there. |
| 23:04.34 | en1gma | not gaming |
| 23:04.55 | puff | themill: And from there, either figure out an aptitude search to find the top level packages on the old box (e.g. packages that have no dependencies) or just manually compose a list of packages to install. |
| 23:04.56 | en1gma | im running the 865gm2 and it does feel slow when opening up gnome apps |
| 23:04.58 | abrotman | personally, i'd go with the lesser hassle of the intel card |
| 23:05.01 | themill | puff: at the Y/n/q/? prompt at the end, try typing: +apt debian-archive-keyring ssh |
| 23:05.21 | puff | themill: Okay, whuzzat do? |
| 23:05.42 | themill | puff: tells aptitude to try to install them and rerun the resolver routines. |
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| 23:05.59 | puff | Hm, got another 150 lines of text. |
| 23:06.05 | themill | puff: you could perhaps add a few more packages from the "to be removed" section of that output, but that'd be icing on the cake. |
| 23:06.07 | abrotman | or use the 'nv' driver with the nvidia card (if it works) |
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| 23:06.22 | themill | puff: actually, adding "udev" and a current kernel package wouldn't be bad idea |
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| 23:08.13 | puff | themill: http://debian.pastebin.com/d2426a641 |
| 23:08.16 | en1gma | yea im kind of with you on the less hassle with intel |
| 23:08.35 | oblio | hola |
| 23:08.41 | oblio | how do i make sure a module is included in initrd |
| 23:08.42 | puff | themill: Adding them to the to-be-removed section? |
| 23:09.53 | puff | Is there an easy-to-parse way to get the dependencies for a package? |
| 23:10.14 | puff | I wrote a perl script to sum the disk usage per package, it'd be nice to somehow factor dependencies into that. |
| 23:10.37 | themill | puff: no, typing "+udev linux-image-686" at the aptitude prompt again would be good. |
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| 23:12.37 | puff | themill: Okay, should I pastebin the output from that? |
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| 23:13.26 | themill | puff: Nah, I'd give it a shot at this stage. You might like to write down some of the things that it's trying to remove so you can reinstall them later. |
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| 23:14.20 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 23:14.35 | puff | themill: Yeah, I'm logging this stuff. |
| 23:15.20 | puff | Huh, it's removing debian-archive-keyring. Oy, and emacs. |
| 23:15.45 | SamuraiDio | i was searching for some way to log ppp traffic, and found a script that should log ppp messages to /var/log/ppp.log, by adding !ppp to /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 23:16.14 | puff | themill: So go ahead and hit "y"? |
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| 23:16.35 | peterius | how do you change the terminal font, anyone know? |
| 23:16.40 | themill | puff: it sounds like there's very little to lose here, so you may as well :) |
| 23:16.53 | calliscope | ok i did the portforwarding, this is nice and easy |
| 23:16.53 | chellomere | peterius, what terminal? |
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| 23:17.01 | peterius | an update just changed the terminal font |
| 23:17.11 | peterius | virtual terminal, I think I use framebuffer, I don't recall |
| 23:17.12 | calliscope | i am testing it from inside my lan |
| 23:17.18 | SamuraiDio | but i didn't find on man pages what means the "!" |
| 23:17.18 | SamuraiDio | do someone knows? |
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| 23:19.11 | puff | themill: Okay! |
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| 23:19.47 | peterius | chellomere? |
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| 23:20.11 | puff | themill: I suppose, after I get this sorted out, I should upgrade to a more recent version. |
| 23:20.56 | themill | quite |
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| 23:21.42 | realh | Hi guys, I'm trying to isntall nvidia driver for my gpu, and after getting an error saying that I didn't have gcc installed, and installing gcc, and then saying that I didn't have make, and installing make, I'm getting this now http://pastebin.ca/1706197 |
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| 23:21.55 | realh | Should I ignore it and go with No? |
| 23:22.40 | simonrvn | !b-e realh |
| 23:22.40 | dpkg | realh: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 23:22.56 | chellomere | if he had waited he would've gotten a probable solution. it's not working here right now, but I think the reason is that I have no other font to use than the default. |
| 23:23.07 | puff | themill: It's chugging along... |
| 23:23.20 | elli222 | hmm, i found a package that requires packagekit... |
| 23:23.27 | elli222 | in debian main... |
| 23:24.41 | gyyg | My debian box has been hacked. The log files were deleted and the root password has been changed |
| 23:24.56 | realh | simonrvn: I still get the error |
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| 23:25.03 | gyyg | What should I be looking for as far as other stuff that might have been changed |
| 23:25.09 | gyyg | back doors and whatnot? |
| 23:25.16 | puff | gyyg Nothing, yhank the drive and install a new system. |
| 23:25.17 | patrikf | gyyg: make a clean install |
| 23:25.20 | dkr | gyyg: you should not try to clean it up and instead do a fresh install |
| 23:25.26 | rgr | +that nothing to do with build-essential |
| 23:25.31 | jpinx-eeepc | gyyg: without logs - nothing |
| 23:25.33 | puff | gyyg: Port data _carefully_ from the old drive. |
| 23:25.34 | chellomere | one of the console-* packages are supposed to let you choose between the available console fonts, right? |
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| 23:25.45 | dkr | or from our backups, :) |
| 23:25.47 | dkr | your |
| 23:25.49 | puff | gyyg: It sucks, I know, I've been there. |
| 23:25.51 | rgr | realh: its nothing to do with buils-essential. You neet set your CC to the correct version. |
| 23:25.56 | gyyg | that is my plan, but i just want to see what has been done. |
| 23:26.03 | chellomere | I thought it was console-tools, as the config file is /etc/console-tools/config |
| 23:26.15 | realh | rgr: How can I do that? |
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| 23:26.22 | gyyg | any ideas on what I should be looking for? |
| 23:26.25 | jpinx-eeepc | gyyg: f the logs are gone - you have nothing to read |
| 23:26.27 | puff | gyyg: Depending on what was done to/with your machine, you may want to replace the drive with a new drive and keep the old one in case its needed for evidence. |
| 23:26.28 | rgr | google cc= and nvidia |
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| 23:26.32 | rgr | hang on |
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| 23:26.42 | themill | dpkg: tell realh about nvidia |
| 23:26.44 | dkr | gyyg: find / -mtime (days since crack) :) |
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| 23:26.53 | puff | gyyg: E.g. if they used your machine to do something criminal, the FBI may come knocking on your door. |
| 23:27.10 | themill | realh: in the long run, you'd be better off using the debian packages rather than the nvidia installer. |
| 23:27.14 | rgr | realh: but why use the installer? The debian way is so much safer. What debian are you running? |
| 23:27.19 | patrikf | shell history might be worth checking |
| 23:27.21 | patrikf | @gyyg |
| 23:27.34 | gyyg | where is the shell history kept at? |
| 23:27.58 | gyyg | find / -mtime just returns some processes that don't seem to exist |
| 23:27.58 | patrikf | ~/.bash_profile for bash. though if the logs are wiped, chances are that will be gone too |
| 23:27.59 | apt | patrikf: that's too long |
| 23:27.59 | realh | rgr: That's what I got recommended at #debian-es. I'm running Lenny |
| 23:28.01 | realh | I just installed it |
| 23:28.09 | dkr | /root/.bash_history |
| 23:28.57 | rgr | realh: if you insist on using the installer then "export CC=gcc-4.1" or whatever version it needs prior to running the installer. But consider using the debian way instead. |
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| 23:29.07 | dkr | gyyg: -mtime needs a numeric argument |
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| 23:29.20 | et | export CC=`which gcc-4.1` |
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| 23:29.31 | rgr | no |
| 23:29.46 | puff | themill: Walking through the config process now. |
| 23:30.05 | realh | rgr: But what which do you recommend me then?, debian's way or directly running the installer |
| 23:30.05 | lobo99 | hello! What's the equivalent of bash $RANDOM in sh? |
| 23:30.05 | rgr | debiany way 100% |
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| 23:30.05 | rgr | (now it works mostly) |
| 23:30.06 | dkr | wonders if running commands from strangers online without understanding them what got him in this situation in the first place. |
| 23:30.06 | gyyg | dk2: I used "find / -mtime 10" it happened on the first of the month |
| 23:30.32 | gyyg | i kinda know how find works :) |
| 23:30.49 | gyyg | i am not that careless |
| 23:30.52 | dkr | ah, cool. well, find returns filenames, not processes, i guess just language issue. no biggie |
| 23:30.57 | cmatei | by returning processes ? |
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| 23:31.35 | rgr | realh: do this "/msg dpkg nvidia m-a" |
| 23:31.42 | rgr | (I dont know the tell syntax) |
| 23:31.43 | dkr | unless you use -xdev so it crosses filesystems into /proc. heh |
| 23:31.58 | dkr | or vice versa |
| 23:32.39 | gyyg | hmm, why does that find command not return anything? |
| 23:32.45 | gyyg | my syntax is right? |
| 23:33.09 | gyyg | i tried -ctime, and got the same thing |
| 23:33.20 | gyyg | ls has definitely been altered. maybe find as well? |
| 23:33.21 | dkr | you probably want a -10 so it is less than or equal to 10 days, nto just 10 days ago |
| 23:33.34 | gyyg | there we go |
| 23:33.36 | gyyg | that was the problem |
| 23:33.37 | themill | What tools can decompress an old-style MS DL_ or EX_ or HL_ file? (file calls them a "MS Compress archive data" format file) |
| 23:34.32 | cmatei | gyyg: you are running of a live cd/different disk as a minimum, right ? |
| 23:34.54 | dkr | p mscompress - Microsoft "compress.exe/expand.exe" compatible (de)c |
| 23:35.02 | gyyg | cmatei: as a minimum? |
| 23:35.04 | themill | !win dkr |
| 23:35.04 | dpkg | Congratulations, dkr! You have won the US presidency! |
| 23:35.23 | cmatei | gyyg: as in, not running the system on the compromised disk |
| 23:35.28 | dkr | I used aptitude search \~d"MS Compress" |
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| 23:35.50 | gyyg | dkr: is there a way to get find to output the time the file was altered |
| 23:36.06 | gyyg | cmatei: i am using the compromised disk, but it is unplugged from the network |
| 23:36.17 | dkr | gyyg: no, but you could -exec ls -l {} + |
| 23:36.23 | dkr | or stat |
| 23:36.30 | themill | dkr: yeah, I figured it was something I already had installed so was wandering through apropos etc... |
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| 23:37.41 | cmatei | gyyg: in that case, you have a good chance of not seeing anything, if a rootkit was installed. |
| 23:37.45 | dkr | gyyg: you could use rkhunter, i is a tool designed for detecting rootkits. would automate this stuff you are doing now, :) |
| 23:38.47 | dkr | althought it's more for just detection not forensic analysis |
| 23:39.03 | AimHere | Isn't the smart move just to take all your personal data off the machine, if there's executable code in among that, verify the hell out of it, and then nuke the drive and reinstall? |
| 23:39.22 | dkr | yeah, we all said that, he is just curious, :) |
| 23:39.25 | AimHere | Or do you want to just have a poke around first |
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| 23:39.31 | AimHere | Heh, I came late |
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| 23:48.46 | rgr | realh: any luck? |
| 23:49.22 | realh | rgr: I'm at this step http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Libraries , but when I try to install it it doesn't happen |
| 23:49.37 | realh | It just doens't install anything, don't know if it's installed already |
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| 23:50.50 | rgr | realh: I really dont know what to say. I told you how to do it properly the debian way. |
| 23:50.54 | puff | themill: Well, it looks like it went okay. |
| 23:51.01 | rgr | realh: do this "/msg dpkg nvidia m-a" |
| 23:51.42 | rgr | "Warning: this method is generally not recommended due to an important X bug" |
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| 23:51.47 | realh | rgr: Well, that's the way I'm doing it... |
| 23:51.52 | realh | I haven't done that yet |
| 23:51.58 | hoo-hah | hi folks, are there any transient files not worth keeping in a backup sync specific to debian that any one can think of off the top of their head? my backup script excludes external filesystems (including /tmp) and /etc/default/rcS has varrun and varlock as tmpfs already |
| 23:52.02 | realh | I just reinstalled nvidia-glx$VERSION |
| 23:52.15 | rgr | why? |
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| 23:52.25 | rgr | did you do the m-a stuff? |
| 23:52.32 | realh | rgr: Yes |
| 23:52.39 | themill | puff: yay! You probably now have some dist-upgrading and installation of new packages to do. And udev, kernel, debian-archive-keyring etc ;) |
| 23:52.48 | rgr | was this after running the nvidia installer? |
| 23:53.01 | rgr | did you restart x yet having updated the xorg.conf? |
| 23:53.10 | realh | rgr: Yes, but the nvidia installer never did anything actually. I cancelled it |
| 23:53.23 | realh | I haven't done aything to xorg.conf |
| 23:53.36 | realh | Nor have the nvidia isntaller, I aborted nvidia's installer process |
| 23:53.49 | realh | Nor has* |
| 23:53.55 | rgr | and did m-a run properly? |
| 23:54.01 | realh | rgr: Yes |
| 23:54.12 | rgr | so whats the problem? Or is there none? |
| 23:54.35 | realh | It's just when I reached that step of issuing "apt-get install nvidia-glx${VERSION} |
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| 23:54.48 | rgr | what step? There is no such step. |
| 23:54.58 | realh | I did it but it wasn't installing anything, so I did reinstall to check if it was already ainstalled and it was.. |
| 23:55.23 | realh | rgr: Go a little bit more up |
| 23:55.31 | realh | Sorry I thought I linked the right step |
| 23:55.41 | hoo-hah | orly |
| 23:55.58 | rgr | I dont recall running that I must admit. |
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| 23:57.38 | rgr | realh: fwiw i found that wiki to be generally pretty horrible. ask dpkg like I showed you. |
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| 23:59.57 | rgr | and yes I concur that its a terrible mess for something as basic as installing decent drivers on a modern desktop pc. but its worth it : the nvidia drivers are really good - stable and perform well. |
