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| 00:03.36 | robinetd | What's the recommended way of installing debian onto an ext4 root? |
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| 00:04.38 | mercutio22 | so by default debian does not mount ntfs partitions with write access? |
| 00:07.55 | abrotman | robinetd: either use kmuto or squeeze |
| 00:08.14 | robinetd | abrotman, I was told that installing from a squeeze cd was a nono. |
| 00:08.23 | abrotman | by who? |
| 00:08.30 | robinetd | can't recall. |
| 00:08.38 | robinetd | Are you telling me that I threw my disc away for nothing? :| |
| 00:08.57 | robinetd | They asserted that squeeze cd's were provided for testing purposes only, not actual use. |
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| 00:09.47 | robinetd | abrotman, Meh. I'll go download the squeeze netinstall :) thanks. |
| 00:09.49 | abrotman | is it for a server or a play machine ? |
| 00:10.01 | robinetd | play machine. |
| 00:10.32 | robinetd | well, play/production. |
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| 00:10.54 | Jagoo | cool, just ordered a new phone for myself... that runs a mini debian :) |
| 00:10.55 | abrotman | if you need stability/security, then you shouldn't use squeeze |
| 00:11.24 | robinetd | I'd used squeeze before. I can't remember why I whiped it though. |
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| 00:12.14 | Titan8990 | isn't mysql-server currently missing from squeeze? |
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| 00:13.02 | abrotman | last i knew |
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| 00:15.17 | d3x | Jagoo, nokia n900? |
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| 00:16.04 | d3x | Titan8990, no, it's not |
| 00:16.16 | themill | judd versions mysql-server-5.1 |
| 00:16.17 | judd | themill: mysql-server-5.1 -- lenny-backports: 5.1.41-3~bpo50+1 sid: 5.1.41-3 squeeze: 5.1.41-3 |
| 00:16.22 | abrotman | it lies! |
| 00:16.39 | themill | unbroken-britney has returned such things to squeeze |
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| 00:17.30 | simonrvn | abrotman: need a new rug i guess |
| 00:17.48 | abrotman | themill: i didn't htink it had flowed yet .. but okay! |
| 00:17.51 | Jagoo | d3x: yes :) |
| 00:18.03 | themill | abrotman: http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/mysql-dfsg-5.1/news/20091203T163928Z.html |
| 00:18.19 | abrotman | not believing! |
| 00:18.19 | Jagoo | d3x: switching from n95 8gb edition |
| 00:18.52 | themill | dpkg: tell abrotman about believe |
| 00:19.06 | simonrvn | readjusts abrotman's lie detector, "seems to hvae gone out of whack" |
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| 00:28.03 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 00:39.10 | potter64 | hello |
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| 00:39.29 | d3x | Jagoo, *envy* :) |
| 00:39.46 | potter64 | i have few problems with postfix |
| 00:39.51 | d3x | <- owner of htc touch pro (wm 6.1) |
| 00:40.01 | potter64 | maybe anybody can help me here... |
| 00:40.17 | potter64 | my postfix is running under mysql |
| 00:40.40 | abrotman | just ask your real question |
| 00:41.07 | MythBox1234 | Anyone connect to mythtv mythweb with lenny? Trying to connect to mythubuntu via http. Firefox can connect and pass the password in *** properly. I can see mythweb fine in browser. Problem is totem and vlc both show the password in text instead of ****** out what you type there. Any ideas ? |
| 00:41.26 | Jagoo | d3x: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMXvsTbbYDo :) |
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| 00:41.42 | potter64 | when i try to send me an email |
| 00:41.53 | d3x | Jagoo, seen that ;) |
| 00:41.56 | potter64 | i have Final-Recipient: rfc822; mailto:yohann@prigents.com |
| 00:41.56 | potter64 | Original-Recipient: mailto:rfc822%3Byohann@prigents.com |
| 00:41.56 | potter64 | Action: failed |
| 00:41.57 | potter64 | Status: 5.1.1 |
| 00:41.57 | potter64 | Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; unknown user: "yohann" |
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| 00:41.57 | d3x | and many others ;) |
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| 00:42.35 | potter64 | arf, flood ^^ |
| 00:42.44 | potter64 | i have Diagnostic-Code: X-Postfix; unknown user: "yohann" |
| 00:42.56 | sney | abrotman: I'd almost think we should add a mention of pastebinning to the !ask factoid |
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| 00:43.52 | potter64 | i did everything like they are learning here : http://www.lafermeduweb.net/billet/tutorial-creer-un-serveur-web-complet-sous-debian-4-postfix-et-courier-168.html#webmail |
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| 00:47.21 | abrotman | sney: it's in the topic ? |
| 00:48.14 | Titan8990 | abrotman, what topic :p |
| 00:48.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, what's a topic? |
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| 00:48.44 | abrotman | besides being common sense |
| 00:48.49 | jpinx-eeepc | only sees the first "n" characters of the topic in irssi |
| 00:49.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, as in... "2"? |
| 00:49.45 | jpinx-eeepc | it gets as far as NO FLOOD: /msg dpk... and that's it |
| 00:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | good enouf |
| 00:50.25 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: try typing /topic |
| 00:50.56 | jpinx-eeepc | nah - that's way to obvious and makes reading the scrollback a pita |
| 00:51.33 | jpinx-eeepc | try shortening the topic to show the realy important stuff first ;) |
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| 00:52.08 | jpinx-eeepc | and there'sa typo in it too |
| 00:52.21 | abrotman | in what? |
| 00:52.33 | jpinx-eeepc | or is that meant to be lennyr3 ? |
| 00:52.38 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:52.43 | themill | dpkg: tell jpinx-eeepc about lennyr3 |
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| 00:53.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | but what's 4.0r8 released still doing in there |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | because it's still valid |
| 00:53.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | can at least shorten it by removing "released" :-P |
| 00:53.47 | themill | lenny r4 has been taking its time |
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| 00:54.20 | squisher | does anyone know about valgrind's suppression files? I seem to be getting many more spurious alerts than before with glib/gtk programs |
| 00:54.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it's December and getting really cold... if we're not carful, the repositories will freeze! |
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| 00:55.51 | jpinx-eeepc | put the ref to etch at the end of the topic so it doean't crowd out more important stuff about paste and no-ubuntu ;) |
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| 00:56.29 | puff | If dpkg -L packagename lists all the files in a package, does that list all the files that get created as part of the package install process, or all the files that exist as part of that package, even if created by code in the package itself? And where does that file list come from? |
| 00:56.36 | jebba | how can one tell which repo a package came from? |
| 00:56.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | the "this is NOT ubuntu" is gone for a while, jpinx-eeepc crowded away, it seems |
| 00:56.59 | themill | jebba: you can't in general, but /msg dpkg which repo |
| 00:57.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | aw, I should edit that, I guess... |
| 00:57.39 | alnr | i would like do downgrade from squeeze to lenny, can it be done without too much drama? is pinning something i should look at? |
| 00:57.44 | jpinx-eeepc | jebba: if it was me I'd look at the version and then look in debian.org's package search facility~~ |
| 00:58.09 | jpinx-eeepc | alnr: sorry - downgrading is not generally possible |
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| 00:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | jebba, apt-show-versions compares your version with the ones in the repo... there's no real telling where it came from, though |
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| 00:59.15 | jebba | jpinx-eeepc: from a derivative distro. Must be a dpkg or a apt-cache command, methinks |
| 00:59.24 | MythBox1234 | Anyone know how to get vlc or totem to do passwords with *** instead of plain viewable text in the password field when connecting to a asx server? |
| 00:59.27 | jebba | this on maemo, fwiw |
| 00:59.35 | jpinx-eeepc | jebba: what distro? |
| 00:59.41 | pom | Which is newer? 1.9 och 1.10 :) |
| 00:59.47 | jebba | jpinx-eeepc: maemo :) |
| 00:59.51 | jpinx-eeepc | jebba: this is debian ;) |
| 00:59.52 | jebba | pom 1.10 |
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| 01:00.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | jebba, #maemo |
| 01:00.20 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell jebba about based on debian |
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| 01:00.59 | oh_noes | Using Debian as an Appliance OS, is there a script or package I can leverage to create some form of "Press F1 to Configure Network Settings" |
| 01:01.13 | oh_noes | after rc.local has been displayed and the user is deployed a logic prompt |
| 01:01.19 | jebba | ok, sry. I just figured there would be a million people that knew about apt-get here ;) |
| 01:01.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | maemo's even still further away from debian than e.g. ubuntu... |
| 01:01.37 | oh_noes | I dont mind writing the script, but I mean, iwant to intercept the F1 keypress, and basically run a script |
| 01:01.51 | oh_noes | asking for input/setting the network i can do without a problem |
| 01:02.05 | jpinx-eeepc | jebba: there are - but it's for debian - goodness know what your distro does...... |
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| 01:02.07 | jebba | CutMeOwnThroat: ya. apt-cache and dpkg are the same commands though. anyway, point taken. ciao |
| 01:02.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess there'll be more people buzzing around with a n900 now |
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| 01:03.41 | everyoneknowme | how i do to install gnome 2.26 on debian lenny? |
| 01:03.45 | valdyn | jebba: you cant tell where a package is from, you can test where a package is available from |
| 01:03.52 | jpinx-eeepc | CutMeOwnThroat: from the little reading I've doen it seems to be quite a long way from debian |
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| 01:04.14 | markybob_ | everyoneknowme, do you understand the point of debian stable? |
| 01:04.15 | jebba | valdyn: Ya? hint? :) |
| 01:04.21 | valdyn | jebba: i cant remember |
| 01:04.25 | jebba | hha ok |
| 01:04.27 | everyoneknowme | i dont care about stable things |
| 01:04.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jebba, this was a pretty good example why not ask here :) maemo doesn't have apt-show-versions and I even doubt it's got apt-policy |
| 01:04.41 | markybob_ | everyoneknowme, then dont use debian stable. see how simple that was? |
| 01:05.17 | valdyn | jebba: you can use apt-cache policy |
| 01:05.27 | jpinx-eeepc | everyoneknowme: backpport it? use Squeeze/sid? go for broke - but don't come back here when you break it ;) |
| 01:05.29 | everyoneknowme | stable sucks with gnome 2.22 crap version |
| 01:05.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | jebba, we already told you - but it'd only work on debian and you don't have debian so it doesn't |
| 01:05.44 | jebba | ok sry ciao |
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| 01:05.51 | abrotman | there is a #maemo |
| 01:05.51 | valdyn | jebba: thats available in the scratchbox anyway |
| 01:05.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said that! |
| 01:06.01 | markybob_ | everyoneknowme, ok. you can keep crying or you can move on |
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| 01:06.22 | ranix | judd: versions gnome |
| 01:06.23 | judd | ranix: gnome -- etch: 1:2.14.3.6 lenny: 1:2.22.2~5 sid: 1:2.22.2~5 experimental: 1:2.24.2~2 squeeze: 1:2.26+0 sid: 1:2.28+2 sid: 1:2.28+3 |
| 01:06.37 | ranix | everyoneknowme: use squeeze |
| 01:06.43 | everyoneknowme | ok |
| 01:06.43 | askvictor | how can I find if a package was installed via a repository or manually from a .deb? |
| 01:06.55 | markybob_ | askvictor, you cant |
| 01:06.57 | themill | everyoneknowme: just don't complain that it's broken |
| 01:07.09 | markybob_ | themill, he doesnt care about stable things |
| 01:07.13 | jpinx-eeepc | themill: I said that! |
| 01:07.17 | ranix | everyoneknowme: well, don't complain, but do file well-written bug reports |
| 01:07.25 | ranix | it's like complaining, but useful! |
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| 01:08.04 | themill | "Tags: +patch" preferred. |
| 01:08.21 | everyoneknowme | .-. |
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| 01:09.19 | askvictor | markybob_: then what does synaptic use to determine the origin (in particular the 'Local' origin)? |
| 01:09.33 | jpinx-eeepc | everyoneknowme: you can't have it both ways - either stable and slightly older versons, or shiny new stuff and bugs to report ;) |
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| 01:09.52 | everyoneknowme | ok |
| 01:09.56 | ranix | well you can have it both ways if you use backports |
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| 01:10.07 | everyoneknowme | i'll use stable anyway |
| 01:10.12 | ranix | it's just that a whole gnome is very difficult (impossible) to backport |
| 01:10.14 | markybob_ | ranix, no |
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| 01:10.38 | themill | ranix: /msg dpkg backport caveat |
| 01:11.05 | jpinx-eeepc | everyoneknowme: try a different desktop? |
| 01:11.19 | abrotman | a different oS? |
| 01:11.23 | everyoneknowme | kde?? i don't like |
| 01:11.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... he said he didn't care about stable... now I'm confused |
| 01:11.35 | jpinx-eeepc | everyoneknowme: I'm using lxde |
| 01:11.43 | ranix | I'm pretty bound to xfce myself |
| 01:11.47 | abrotman | so send him to use a different OS |
| 01:11.49 | ranix | so I understand where he's coming from |
| 01:11.51 | jpinx-eeepc | kinky ;) |
| 01:12.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx-eeepc, kinky-os? |
| 01:12.50 | everyoneknowme | i'll try ion3 and get ride desktop |
| 01:13.16 | everyoneknowme | get ride of* |
| 01:13.19 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell everyoneknowme about reove gnome |
| 01:13.34 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell everyoneknowme about remove gnome |
| 01:13.47 | everyoneknowme | thanks |
| 01:14.22 | sney | what'd dpkg's factoid for "you can build it from source yourself if you want, but we won't help you if you mess it up" ;) |
| 01:15.01 | markybob_ | !fuck off |
| 01:15.02 | dpkg | you too, you cunt |
| 01:15.19 | oh_noes | I want to run a script (that asks for input and does something) *IF* a user presses F1 on the Login Screen |
| 01:15.21 | oh_noes | any thoughts/ideas what I can use to detect the F1 and run my script? |
| 01:16.06 | markybob_ | oh_noes, using what? bash? |
| 01:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | but you said you wanted to configure network that way... |
| 01:16.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's normally before a user is there? |
| 01:16.44 | oh_noes | markybob_: the script is bash, but i can implement it in anything . The part im stuck at is 'detecting' the actual Keypress (F1) |
| 01:17.13 | markybob_ | oh_noes, http://dpaste.com/131030/ |
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| 01:17.52 | markybob_ | oh_noes, sorry paste mixup, before you need f1='\[\[A' |
| 01:18.03 | mercutio22 | Everytime I reboot gnome logs in with sound muted! =P |
| 01:18.04 | hagabaka | by "login screen", do you mean GDM/KDM/etc or the console login prompt? |
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| 01:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh_noes, "apt-cache show autokey" |
| 01:18.24 | oh_noes | markybob_: sorry i wasnt clear, i can easily write the script. my point is, in Debian, while it's sitting in the console Login Prompt after rc.local has been loaded I want to run my script is F1 is pressed |
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| 01:19.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not supposed to work |
| 01:19.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | login really doesn't want your keylogger snatching the keystrokes on the console |
| 01:19.41 | oh_noes | The same as you can hit Ctrl+F1 and get a new console CLI login screen. I want t odo the same, but instead of getting a new console login, iwant ti run my script |
| 01:19.59 | simonrvn | it's alt not ctrl |
| 01:20.00 | markybob_ | oh_noes, not happening |
| 01:20.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does the script actually do |
| 01:20.15 | oh_noes | CutMeOwnThroat: on everyone servers/desktops sure, but im doing this for a local OS Appliance Im doing (think home router) |
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| 01:20.38 | oh_noes | which uses debian as its underlying OS |
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| 01:20.44 | markybob_ | oh_noes, still not happening. |
| 01:20.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | what I really think is that you're trying to do this the wrong way |
| 01:20.55 | oh_noes | it's basically a blackbox router |
| 01:21.28 | oh_noes | CutMeOwnThroat: okay so what im trying to do is configure network via a script at console, without needing the user to enter a L/P. |
| 01:21.46 | oh_noes | markybob_: so how do other people do it then? (aka VMWare ESX which is build on linux) |
| 01:21.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | so the user has to enter data for the networking? |
| 01:21.57 | sney | they probably hack the heck out of init |
| 01:22.25 | oh_noes | sney: which im happy to do if someonme can point me in the right direction. "it's not happening" comments are interesting. |
| 01:22.46 | markybob_ | oh_noes, i told you how to enter it yourself. read in bash |
| 01:23.07 | oh_noes | markybob_: sorry theres a communication problem here. Maybe it's my accent. |
| 01:23.23 | ranix | oh_noes: do you know how to configure the network manually at the command line |
| 01:23.35 | oh_noes | "its not happening because i dont understand what your trying to do and/or dont know how to do it" might be a slightly more accurate statement |
| 01:23.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see that any vmware does anthing like that |
| 01:23.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, vmware esx isn't even using linux |
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| 01:23.57 | oh_noes | CutMeOwnThroat: obviously never booted ESX at console then. |
| 01:24.09 | oh_noes | CutMeOwnThroat: anyway, vmware esx isn't even using linux >> lol. |
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| 01:24.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | VMware, Inc. refers to the hypervisor used by VMware ESX as "vmkernel". |
| 01:24.42 | oh_noes | CutMeOwnThroat: it's ok we'll get there one day ... keep reading. |
| 01:24.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's using it's own kernel to run under |
| 01:24.43 | markybob_ | CutMeOwnThroat, it is linux. it was based on fedora |
| 01:25.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | The vmkernel itself, which VMware claims is a microkernel,[6] |
| 01:25.04 | markybob_ | CutMeOwnThroat, no, it's not. it's the linux kernel plus their addons |
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| 01:25.19 | sney | and their marketing |
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| 01:25.33 | oh_noes | I suspect he's just typing random nonsense while he looks for a bigger shovel |
| 01:25.51 | ranix | you're awfully hostile for someone needing help |
| 01:25.52 | sney | hey ease up on the flaming some of us prefer not to be on fire |
| 01:26.12 | oh_noes | I'm not a morning person :D |
| 01:26.28 | jpinx-eeepc | it's evening here oh_noes :p |
| 01:26.31 | sney | dang pesky time zones, I'm almost ready to go home |
| 01:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | just copying stuff from the wikipedia page... which is normally quite correct... specially if it's not an extremely controversial article |
| 01:26.41 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: so run you script on vt1. |
| 01:26.50 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: what's the problem? |
| 01:27.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh, I was going to suggest that, before we got side-tracked |
| 01:27.19 | oh_noes | dondelelcaro: thanks, well my problem is im not sure where or how to kick off the script? |
| 01:27.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | /etc/inittab? |
| 01:27.46 | markybob_ | !init.d |
| 01:27.46 | dpkg | /etc/init.d/ is where most Debian startup scripts go. To add your own, copy /etc/init.d/skeleton to /etc/init.d/myscript and make it do the appropriate thing on start and stop, at least. Then "update-rc.d myscript defaults". See "man update-rc.d" and /usr/share/doc/sysvinit and /etc/init.d/README. Also ask me about <bootmisc> <rc.local> <runlevel>. See also <missing lsb tags> |
| 01:27.51 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: in /etc/inittab, but you'd be better served by telling us what this script is supposed to do |
| 01:27.59 | MythBox1234 | Could someone point me to some debian forums ? |
| 01:28.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | markybob_, that's something else |
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| 01:28.16 | sney | MythBox1234: err, google |
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| 01:29.22 | oh_noes | dondelelcaro: thanks. well my script is to set network details on eth0. So I only want to prompt for IP/Subnet/Gateway. |
| 01:29.29 | oh_noes | I'll take a look at inittab |
| 01:30.00 | dondelelcaro | oh_noes: for what purpose? shouldn't you just be using dhcp? |
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| 01:30.04 | sney | maybe some kind of an installer system for first boot |
| 01:30.10 | sney | dondelelcaro: not every isp uses dhcp |
| 01:30.23 | dondelelcaro | only insane ones don't |
| 01:30.37 | mercutio22 | how do I shuffle songs in amarok? |
| 01:30.46 | sney | so it runs through a custom d-i getting the network details the first time you start it up, then it removes its own install script and reboots ready to roll |
| 01:30.49 | sney | that's how I'd do it |
| 01:31.15 | sney | and then maybe add a boot menu option to re-run the installer if needed |
| 01:31.28 | dondelelcaro | I mean, you don't have to actually use dhcp on subsequent boots, but it's the sane way to load all of that information instead of typing it in by hand |
| 01:31.28 | oh_noes | dondelelcaro: its a server application OS (underneith is Deb) which tries DHCP but if it fails I need a way for them to set network without logging into it |
| 01:31.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | you click on "playlist->shuffle"? |
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| 01:36.25 | dondelelcaro | that should clue you in immediately to the problem. |
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| 01:51.36 | oh_noes | sney: thanks for clarifying that. Thats exactly what im trying to do. So my answer lies in inittab? I already have a custom rc.local script which does displays a few things. |
| 01:51.57 | oh_noes | I wonder if in rc.local I can ask for input |
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| 02:10.08 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 02:10.08 | dpkg | <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
| 02:10.13 | abrotman | durka42: man bash |
| 02:11.13 | durka42 | yup, surprisingly helpful |
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| 02:12.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's more helpful if one searches in it |
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| 02:13.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | was what sarcasm |
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| 02:13.46 | entropy_ | i am on lenny |
| 02:13.49 | durka42 | then it's not installed or not on the path |
| 02:14.00 | jpinx-eeepc | entropy_: as root maybe? |
| 02:14.05 | entropy_ | i am root |
| 02:14.10 | abrotman | !b-e entropy_ |
| 02:14.10 | dpkg | entropy_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 03:02.39 | benjamindees | I am trying to force myself to use aptitude. |
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| 03:04.07 | benjamindees | Does anyone really love aptitude and think it's great? Really? |
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| 03:05.04 | DogBoy | I used to love it but then I found a 12 step program |
| 03:05.06 | aaron__ | can someone help me with this http://pastebin.ca/1707839 |
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| 03:05.39 | ]pablo[ | anyone else bumping into problems when dist-upgrading from lenny to squeeze? |
| 03:05.51 | benjamindees | I'm trying to upgrade a simple, basic gnome desktop from Etch to Lenny. I installed it from scratch myself. Installed a few backports. Compiled a couple of packages from source. Nothing too fancy. |
| 03:05.51 | SuperMiguel | so i have an xps 1530, i connected two monitors one using an HDMI cable and the other one using VGA, when i open my nvidia-config it only sees one of the monitors and my laptop lcd... i know i can use both monitors at the same time (tried in windows) |
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| 03:06.10 | ]pablo[ | I get a lot of unresolved dependencies: hal fails in the post-install, and so does about 15 xorg related packages that depend on it |
| 03:06.22 | ]pablo[ | so the dist-upgrade doesn't complete |
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| 03:06.28 | benjamindees | Aptitude makes this process impossible. |
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| 03:06.50 | aaron__ | can someone help me with this http://pastebin.ca/1707839 |
| 03:07.10 | squisher | SuperMiguel, just because it works in Windows doesn't mean it has to work in Linux... you might just be out of luck. You should ask in an nvidia forum. |
| 03:07.29 | benjamindees | ]pablo[: I haven't gotten to that point yet but at this rate I'm sure I will. |
| 03:07.42 | aaron__ | can someone help me with this http://pastebin.ca/1707839 |
| 03:07.49 | ]pablo[ | aaron__: I have exactly the same problem |
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| 03:07.58 | SuperMiguel | squisher, this is a setting thing |
| 03:07.58 | aaron__ | ]pablo[, did you fixed it? |
| 03:08.02 | aaron__ | I'm stuck with it |
| 03:08.04 | ]pablo[ | benjamindees: i hope you have better luck than me :) |
| 03:08.22 | aaron__ | damn this is killing me |
| 03:08.23 | ]pablo[ | aaron__: I didn't fix it no.. which arch are you using btw? |
| 03:08.33 | aaron__ | i'm using debian squeeze |
| 03:08.45 | ]pablo[ | i386, amd64? |
| 03:08.50 | aaron__ | amd64 |
| 03:08.53 | ]pablo[ | exactly like me |
| 03:09.16 | aaron__ | nice |
| 03:09.16 | ]pablo[ | i went from lenny to squeeze in amd64 |
| 03:09.28 | aaron__ | i think it should be a bug or something |
| 03:09.32 | ]pablo[ | after a fresh amd64/squeeze netinstall |
| 03:09.34 | aaron__ | i don't know i can't getit to work |
| 03:09.35 | ]pablo[ | then i did dist-upgrade |
| 03:09.40 | aaron__ | yeah me too |
| 03:09.40 | ]pablo[ | hal fails in post-install |
| 03:09.46 | ]pablo[ | and so does 15+ more packages |
| 03:09.48 | ]pablo[ | so dpkg quits |
| 03:09.51 | aaron__ | there is no way to force install? |
| 03:09.57 | ]pablo[ | not that I figured |
| 03:10.00 | aaron__ | damn |
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| 03:10.06 | ]pablo[ | you should report the bug |
| 03:10.17 | squisher | SuperMiguel, afaik nvidia's closed source drivers are not very good with xrandr. You can give it a shot, but usually their tool should work better. If that one doesn't show it, then I doubt it's a question of settings |
| 03:10.42 | ]pablo[ | I can't because on top of that when I restarted the computer I can't see anything: black screen and then a message that monitor is out of range |
| 03:10.56 | ]pablo[ | but yeah, It's driving me crazy too :) |
| 03:11.03 | abrotman | SuperMiguel: please stop asking both networks .. |
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| 03:11.13 | benjamindees | ]pablo[: switch to terminal: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 03:11.31 | ]pablo[ | benjamindees: I don't even see the startup messages |
| 03:11.36 | ]pablo[ | console doesnt work |
| 03:11.41 | ]pablo[ | well its a black screen |
| 03:11.43 | benjamindees | eww |
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| 03:14.11 | benjamindees | So, basically the first thing I want to know about aptitude is that if I do 'dist-upgrade' and it gives me a 'solution' and I press 'e' to review the solution in this hideous ncurses interface, how do I make choices and make it remember them and calculate a new solution based on that so I can eventually get it to do what I want? |
| 03:14.32 | braunkraut | wireless question I have been trying to figure out. |
| 03:14.39 | braunkraut | I'm using roaming profiles with wpa_supplicant |
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| 03:15.18 | braunkraut | at work I have both wired and wireless configured with post-up scripts set to give wireless a higher metric |
| 03:15.24 | braunkraut | at home however I'm never wired |
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| 03:15.42 | ]pablo[ | aaron__: check if this bug addresses your case http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=469528 |
| 03:15.56 | braunkraut | how can I make it so that eth1 is not even brought up when I'm at home? |
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| 03:18.00 | benjamindees | Okay I see that pressing 'u' updates the package cache. That's not what I want. |
| 03:18.50 | abrotman | braunkraut: does the allow-hotplug help ? |
| 03:19.54 | benjamindees | Somehow I doubt that '!' (apply) will do what I'm looking for. |
| 03:20.02 | ranix | how do I kill an SSH session that's been disconnected by the remote host and is hanging? |
| 03:20.18 | braunkraut | abrotman: I'll be honest, I've been using debian going on 6 years now, I don't even know what allow-hotplug does. Care to share in a nut shell? I know I can google it.. |
| 03:20.28 | abrotman | braunkraut: man interfaces |
| 03:20.30 | benjamindees | ranix, kill -9 <pid> |
| 03:20.40 | ranix | doesn't work when ssh has your terminal, benjamindees |
| 03:20.54 | ranix | there's a ~something to force disconnect |
| 03:21.57 | abrotman | i thought that's where it was |
| 03:22.38 | benjamindees | ranix: switch to another terminal? |
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| 03:22.54 | braunkraut | abrotman: perfect, thanks that did it. Now one more question though, since I only need the static routes I add when I'm actually connected to my docking station is there a away to get hotplug status of an interface to influece my post-up actions? |
| 03:23.19 | ranix | benjamindees: doesn't work when one is on a handheld pc |
| 03:23.28 | abrotman | braunkraut: that i don't know |
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| 03:23.50 | braunkraut | abrotman: thanks anyway, I'm already a step farther than I was a minute ago. |
| 03:24.55 | braunkraut | ranix: shouldn't killing the users shell do the trick? |
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| 03:25.29 | benjamindees | ranix, try ctrl-\ or ctrl-Y |
| 03:26.22 | braunkraut | ranix: you're talking about your own session being hung? |
| 03:28.25 | ranix | braunkraut: found the answer. It was "use ssh -e \~", and then invoke ~. |
| 03:29.03 | braunkraut | ranix: right |
| 03:29.26 | braunkraut | if it's in a screen session ~~. |
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| 03:32.33 | benjamindees | Okay. I pressed '!'. It said 'no broken packages'. Then it just sat there doing nothing. |
| 03:32.47 | benjamindees | So I quit. |
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| 03:32.58 | benjamindees | And now I'm back to where I started. :-/ |
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| 03:44.16 | benjamindees | Seriously, I'd like to hear from a single person who enjoys using aptitude to resolve dependencies. Anyone? |
| 03:44.57 | Stereo | benjamindees: I enjoy using aptitude |
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| 03:45.24 | nevyn | benjamindees: I prefer it to dselect or apt-get |
| 03:45.52 | nevyn | benjamindees: otoh aptitude search doesn't work right in my opinion. |
| 03:45.59 | benjamindees | And when you use it, is there some trick involved in winnowing down the byzantine list of hundreds of dumb suggestions or what? |
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| 03:46.09 | jpinx-eeepc | benjamindees: aptitude rox |
| 03:46.19 | Stereo | ranix: ~. should work even when you call ssh without that option |
| 03:46.35 | Stereo | benjamindees: I think it has some help at the bottom in that screen |
| 03:46.36 | jpinx-eeepc | benjamindees: man aptitude :p |
| 03:46.37 | benjamindees | Because, I'm selecting things and making choices here and it either ignores them or reverts back to some retarded suggestion. |
| 03:46.42 | ranix | Stereo: for some reason it wasn't before, I don't know what my escape character is by default |
| 03:46.58 | abrotman | benjamindees: i don't use the GUI, and i prefer it quite a bit |
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| 03:47.02 | Stereo | ranix: the default is ~ :) |
| 03:47.12 | ranix | Stereo: I might not be using actual openssh |
| 03:47.19 | benjamindees | Yeah, right, like I haven't bothered to read the man page in the several dozen times I've attempted to use this horrible program. |
| 03:47.28 | ranix | this is a minimalistic system I built out of a bunch of junk |
| 03:47.30 | benjamindees | abrotman: by 'gui' you mean the ncurses thing? |
| 03:47.34 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:48.09 | benjamindees | abrotman: and so when a hundred packages scroll by and it says 'score -5000, accept?' do you just blindly say 'Y' ? |
| 03:48.36 | nevyn | no... |
| 03:48.41 | abrotman | benjamindees: uh .. no |
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| 03:49.03 | benjamindees | or do you look at all the solutions, one-by-one, in order, until you see one you like? |
| 03:49.42 | benjamindees | or do you use some other (functional) program to resolve whatever dependency is broken? |
| 03:49.49 | objorn | can someone help me resolved these dependency issues? http://pastebin.com/m4fd24caf |
| 03:50.27 | benjamindees | so does anyone actually use the GUI? (the ncurses thing) |
| 03:50.38 | abrotman | objorn: which version of debian ? |
| 03:50.41 | abrotman | benjamindees: some people do |
| 03:50.53 | abrotman | objorn: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
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| 03:51.16 | benjamindees | abrotman, you know this? You've personally witnessed someone using the GUI successfully? |
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| 03:51.38 | abrotman | benjamindees: people in here talk about it .. |
| 03:52.13 | benjamindees | abrotman: well, I know. I've seen that. That's why I'm asking if it's more than just talk. |
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| 03:52.47 | abrotman | benjamindees: i personally have seen it, and got out of it .. some people do use it, just not me |
| 03:52.58 | benjamindees | nevyn, you use the aptitude GUI? |
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| 03:53.08 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good colocation place at toronto or near toronto .. for 6U space and 12amp power with 100Mps |
| 03:53.25 | Jorophose | is squeeze stable enough for day-to-day use? can I use stable with unstable repositories for select packages? |
| 03:53.27 | nevyn | benjamindees: tui yeah |
| 03:53.27 | jpinx-eeepc | even I only use aptitude from the cli |
| 03:53.42 | abrotman | Jorophose: 1) depends on your definition of stable 2) no |
| 03:53.42 | nevyn | benjamindees: it depends. |
| 03:53.50 | jpinx-eeepc | Jorophose: squeeze is currently b0rked afaik |
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| 03:53.54 | nevyn | if I'm installing one or two things I'll use aptitude install blah |
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| 03:54.06 | Jorophose | abrotman: not-bjorked kind of stable. |
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| 03:54.09 | nevyn | but if I'm doing a significant upgrade I'll use the TUI |
| 03:54.14 | objorn | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/f1ba7ffb8 |
| 03:54.21 | abrotman | Jorophose: currently gnome/kde are having issues |
| 03:54.25 | jpinx-eeepc | Jorophose: use stable with backports |
| 03:54.28 | Jorophose | I was just hoping to get the latest Gnome/KDE, but I guess not |
| 03:54.36 | jpinx-eeepc | !sns |
| 03:54.36 | dpkg | from memory, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 03:54.49 | Jorophose | jpinx-eeepc: sounds good. when I use backports, do I have to specify "get this from the backports"? |
| 03:54.49 | abrotman | objorn: uhm .. that's a *REALLY* bad idea .. your system is all kinds of broken |
| 03:54.53 | nevyn | suffers pretty badly from sns |
| 03:55.00 | jpinx-eeepc | Jorophose: yes |
| 03:55.05 | objorn | abrotman: -_- |
| 03:55.14 | abrotman | you cannot mix lenny/unstable/jaunty/squeeze |
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| 03:56.00 | benjamindees | what's the opposite of sns? I think I have that... |
| 03:56.00 | Jorophose | abrotman: hey, man, that's like your, opinion... and stuff... man... |
| 03:56.11 | abrotman | Jorophose: no, i'm saying they're broken |
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| 03:57.09 | jpinx-eeepc | Jorophose: even if it is *just* an opinion - you'd be well-advised to pay attention ;0 |
| 03:57.26 | Jorophose | haha I as just kidding. who talks like that IRL? :P |
| 03:57.29 | benjamindees | So somehow I've made it to the 'preview' pane. And I'm looking at a list of 'packages to be upgraded' and 'packages to be screwed up' etc. |
| 03:58.03 | benjamindees | Now what do I do to change the status of some of these without undoing everything I've done so far? |
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| 03:59.57 | magyar | hi, i have a question with xen domU on lenny. Is ioemu required? |
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| 04:00.38 | owen1 | what does p and v means in the output of aptitude search ? |
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| 04:02.19 | chronos | people, how I can reinstall a package with apt-get or dpkg/ |
| 04:02.20 | chronos | ? |
| 04:02.36 | jpinx-eeepc | aptitude reinstall ? |
| 04:02.43 | benjamindees | chronos, dpkg install --reinstall <pkg> |
| 04:03.18 | jpinx-eeepc | chronos: aptitude will look after the depends for you;) |
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| 04:04.23 | benjamindees | or oops that was an apt-get command not dpkg |
| 04:04.26 | rpgdude | is there a groupware suite in debian that works well with evolution |
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| 04:06.20 | chronos | and to get all system packages benjamindees ? |
| 04:06.50 | benjamindees | rpgdude: opengroupware last I checked |
| 04:06.59 | chronos | I'm on ubuntu to talk true, but any guy at ubuntu helping |
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| 04:07.22 | rpgdude | opengroupware is not packaged in lenny though |
| 04:07.33 | rpgdude | or sid for that matter |
| 04:07.37 | jpinx-eeepc | chronos: no idea for ubuntu - go to #ubuntu |
| 04:07.58 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell chronos about based on debian |
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| 04:08.59 | benjamindees | chronos, what do you mean by 'to get all system packages'? To list the installed packages, or the available ones? |
| 04:09.27 | chronos | installed packages benjamindees |
| 04:09.30 | benjamindees | 'dpkg -l' lists the installed packages |
| 04:09.35 | chronos | hm |
| 04:09.42 | jpinx-eeepc | benjamindees: do you have ubuntu installed too? |
| 04:09.55 | chronos | and here aptitude reinstall does work |
| 04:09.58 | chronos | thx guys |
| 04:10.14 | benjamindees | jpinx-eeepc: somewhere I think... |
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| 04:11.05 | benjamindees | jpinx-eeepc: but if you'd like to help me with aptitude *on Debian* I'm all ears... |
| 04:11.31 | jpinx-eeepc | benjamindees: I only use it on the cli |
| 04:12.26 | benjamindees | jpinx-eeepc: you've never used it for dist-upgrade ? |
| 04:13.08 | jpinx-eeepc | the cli does everything - I came from sarge :p |
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| 04:15.15 | nevyn | benjamindees: + to install _ to purge - to remove b to find broken packages |
| 04:15.25 | benjamindees | jpinx-eeepc: you've never had to review a list of changes that fills more than a single screen? |
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| 04:16.10 | franki^ | you can use shift+page up.. |
| 04:16.27 | SuperMiguel | how can i find the name of a function key on my keyboard to add it to my ./fluxbox/keys? like i have a key (www) how can i map it to open firefox? |
| 04:17.18 | benjamindees | franki^: thanks |
| 04:17.20 | franki^ | SuperMiguel: xev i think |
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| 04:20.26 | SuperMiguel | franki^, wont tell me when i press this key :( |
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| 04:21.55 | franki^ | SuperMiguel: sorry, i'm not sure then |
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| 04:23.20 | oh_noes | Is there a dpkg-reconfigure for eth0 to enter a new IP/Subnet and Gateway? before I re-invent the wheel :D |
| 04:23.32 | benjamindees | SuperMiguel: might check to make sure x is configured for the right keyboard type |
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| 04:24.03 | SuperMiguel | benjamindees, is there a way to set x to see my logitech keyboard the way it is? |
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| 04:24.45 | benjamindees | SuperMiguel: what keyboard is it? |
| 04:25.08 | SuperMiguel | benjamindees, MX3200 |
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| 04:30.19 | SuperMiguel | benjamindees, found anything about it? |
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| 04:33.15 | jpinx-eeepc | SuperMiguel: I presume you have tried reconfiguring your locales? |
| 04:33.41 | jpinx-eeepc | SuperMiguel: or whatever the thing is that chooses the keyboard layoutt |
| 04:34.13 | benjamindees | http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/keyboards_logitech.php |
| 04:34.27 | benjamindees | you might start with that project. it seems your keyboard may not be supported. |
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| 04:35.33 | fr33k_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:37.01 | benjamindees | looks like ubuntu supports some sort of binary driver to enable the extra keys :( |
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| 04:37.42 | SuperMiguel | trying to map this keys : http://www.krunker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/WindowsLiveWriter/LogitechCordlessDesktopMX3200Laser_119FE/MX3200_ZOOM%5B2%5D.jpg |
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| 04:38.08 | Macer | is killall part of a specific pkg? |
| 04:38.12 | SuperMiguel | and when i run xev it find 2 of them working but the name is no symbol which i cant use in the fluxbox conf |
| 04:38.13 | Macer | all i have is killall5 |
| 04:38.18 | Macer | which doesn't seem to be the same thing |
| 04:39.20 | benjamindees | Macer: it's in psmisc in etch |
| 04:40.23 | Macer | awesome thanks |
| 04:41.05 | squisher | Macer, you can also search for questions like this at packages.debian.org or using apt-file |
| 04:41.48 | benjamindees | SuperMiguel: apparently your keyboard requires a proprietary driver to support those extra keys |
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| 04:42.58 | Macer | squisher: ah. didn't know about apt-file tbh |
| 04:43.01 | Macer | thanks again. |
| 04:43.11 | Macer | just really needed killall to fix something :) |
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| 04:43.37 | jpinx-eeepc | !killall |
| 04:43.37 | dpkg | i heard killall is a bad idea on non GNU platforms, or ok on BSD, too |
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| 05:06.13 | benjamindees | Okay, now this makes a little sense. Using this horrible GUI with the key commands nevyn posted actually is somewhat efficient. |
| 05:06.47 | nevyn | benjamindees: :) |
| 05:06.59 | nevyn | benjamindees: magic incantations ftw. |
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| 05:08.44 | nuscire | hi. my evince renders the image-based PDF files ugly. what about yours? i'm using testing, evince version 2.8. |
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| 05:08.48 | benjamindees | I've gone from 1.5 gb install down to 650 mb in less than a few minutes. |
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| 05:10.32 | benjamindees | oh and I also disabled installing 'recommends' which was a huge pita |
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| 05:14.35 | nevyn | benjamindees: hrm I enable it on my desktop |
| 05:14.40 | nevyn | but disable it on servers |
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| 05:15.35 | en1gma | hey all im having problems with grub....please see "http://pastebin.com/m3688fd7f" |
| 05:16.58 | benjamindees | okay we'll see if this works... |
| 05:17.31 | en1gma | im stuck at the gub screen so if someone could help me it would be great |
| 05:17.47 | en1gma | i mean right now im in winodws yes...but if i try to goto debian im stuck at the grub screen |
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| 05:20.31 | benjamindees | en1gma: I'm assuming this worked at some point and has quit working? |
| 05:21.05 | en1gma | yea well it worked by me disabling the sata ports to the raid0 and then i had to edit hd2,0 to hd0,0 |
| 05:21.35 | en1gma | then it would boot....i tried to remove grub2 and grub-pc but it removed grub so i reinstalled grub-pc |
| 05:22.07 | en1gma | i dont think its the grub or grub 2 menu i think its the grub-pc menu |
| 05:22.12 | benjamindees | nf4 == nforce4 motherboard? |
| 05:22.30 | en1gma | yea |
| 05:22.39 | en1gma | asus a8m32-sli-deluxe |
| 05:22.50 | en1gma | a8n32-sli-deluxe* |
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| 05:23.03 | benjamindees | when you say 'it' worked you mean the install, not that you've ever booted into this system? |
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| 05:23.38 | benjamindees | er, okay nv |
| 05:23.45 | en1gma | yea it was working consistantly if i kept my sata raid0 ports disabled and changed the grub entry from (hd2,0) to (hd0,0) |
| 05:24.25 | en1gma | i had my sata raid0 enabled originally when i installed to usb.....and i would not select mbr to install to but instead /dev/sdc |
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| 05:25.49 | benjamindees | so, what changed when it quit working? |
| 05:26.41 | en1gma | well i couldnt keep on going like that....with sata raid0 disabled in bios and then having to change grub to hd0,0 i restarted |
| 05:26.43 | en1gma | so i tried to fix it |
| 05:26.57 | en1gma | i tried to remove grub-pc and reinstall it |
| 05:27.04 | benjamindees | so you're saying you installed with raid enabled but it never booted that way? |
| 05:27.12 | en1gma | correct |
| 05:27.19 | benjamindees | i c |
| 05:27.47 | en1gma | i was lucky enough to fool around with that grub editor and just happen to turn (hd2,0) to (hd0,0) and it booted |
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| 05:29.57 | nyne | I have a machine im trying to install to that has a single sata drive plugged into the first sata port but it is detected as /dev/sde rather than /dev/sda . has anyone had a similar experience ? it's a biostar motherboard (g31-m7 te i believe) |
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| 05:30.18 | benjamindees | en1gma: I'm going to go buy some food, but I will look at this when I get back. |
| 05:30.26 | en1gma | ok man |
| 05:30.32 | en1gma | i cant get inside my linux |
| 05:30.37 | en1gma | :( |
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| 05:31.56 | Codemaster | I recently updated my server's packages via the repo and now when I run a java application that connects to MYSQL via JDBC, I receive the following error: "com.mysql.jdbc.exceptions.jdbc4.CommunicationsException: Communications link failure" |
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| 05:32.08 | Codemaster | is there something in the repos that i need to downgrade or is there a known workaround for this |
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| 05:58.32 | SuperMiguel | suspend nvm : |
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| 06:03.43 | benjamindees | he didn't last five minutes... |
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| 06:07.33 | prem_ | hi ..i created a lenny usb install image using unetbootin..but the installtion step fails with "cannot mount cdrom" |
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| 06:07.54 | prem_ | i used lenny iso ..will it owrk well with unetbootin..? |
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| 06:35.33 | milco | can anyone recommend me a usermanagement gui app? |
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| 06:39.18 | milco | how can it be fonts of KDE applications like Konversation/Yakuake etc look so bad on gnome? |
| 06:39.23 | milco | my debian system |
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| 06:41.25 | CptHowdy | someone can help me build from src? |
| 06:42.58 | milco | sure |
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| 06:43.20 | milco | make clean && make mrproper && make menuconfig :) to start with |
| 06:43.23 | milco | ? |
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| 06:43.30 | CptHowdy | ok im trying to install ati driver |
| 06:43.50 | CptHowdy | i downloaded a *.run file |
| 06:43.51 | milco | CptHowdy: ok, there's no precompiled module in repos? |
| 06:44.11 | CptHowdy | doesnt work with my version |
| 06:44.14 | milco | ahhhh build a module from source |
| 06:44.16 | milco | ok |
| 06:44.19 | CptHowdy | ubuntu karmic |
| 06:44.20 | milco | CptHowdy: open a console |
| 06:44.34 | CptHowdy | jus wait let me tell u |
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| 06:44.49 | milco | where do you have the file?.. imagine in ur homedir.. |
| 06:45.01 | milco | chmod +x thefile.run |
| 06:45.06 | CptHowdy | :/usr/local/src$ sudo sh ./ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/source |
| 06:45.26 | CptHowdy | :/usr/local/src$ ls |
| 06:45.26 | CptHowdy | ati-driver-installer-9-3-x86.x86_64.run |
| 06:45.26 | CptHowdy | fglrx-installer_8.593-0ubuntu1.diff.gz |
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| 06:45.55 | alkisg | Just wondering, if no critical bugs are found, how long would it take for libsdl1.2debian 1.2.14-1 to reach testing? Weeks; Months; It's currently in experimental. |
| 06:45.56 | benjamindees | milco: kuser? |
| 06:45.58 | CptHowdy | did all that come thru |
| 06:45.59 | milco | !past for CptHowdy |
| 06:46.05 | milco | mostly.. |
| 06:46.12 | milco | benjamindees: thanks |
| 06:46.24 | milco | benjamindees: thanks |
| 06:46.29 | milco | im having lag |
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| 06:47.25 | simonrvn | !tell CptHowdy -about paste |
| 06:47.43 | benjamindees | milco, in my opinion the default kde font sucks everywhere; I would choose a different one. |
| 06:48.07 | simonrvn | CptHowdy: you should be a) using the *ubuntu* packages, b) be in #ubuntu, not here |
| 06:48.27 | CptHowdy | ubuntu is deb based |
| 06:48.30 | milco | CptHowdy: accoding to the ubu-ati manual, you should have some .deb files after extracting that .run package |
| 06:48.34 | simonrvn | !based on debian |
| 06:48.34 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is off-topic on #debian. |
| 06:48.37 | CptHowdy | and this is beyont their knowlege |
| 06:48.39 | milco | but you dont, so i would ask in #ubuntu |
| 06:49.03 | simonrvn | this is channel policy. we don't care what they know or not. |
| 06:49.39 | CptHowdy | my question is not dist. specific |
| 06:49.48 | milco | CptHowdy: you dont have the .deb files, the actual kernel modules, so i cant help you further either im afraid |
| 06:50.08 | abou_7anash_009 | for what it is worth Ubuntu has been a pile of bloated trash since 8.04 |
| 06:50.16 | CptHowdy | lol |
| 06:50.40 | CptHowdy | i like studio, other than that, i dont like it |
| 06:50.58 | milco | benjamindees: but how do i choose a different kde font? |
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| 06:52.27 | simonrvn | if it's so distribution-agnostic why doesn't he/she/it/whatever ask in ##linux ... |
| 06:53.40 | benjamindees | milco: open the kde control center |
| 06:53.51 | milco | i tried to install kcontrol |
| 06:54.05 | milco | but thats not in the repos, well - it became obsolete (im a gnome user) |
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| 06:55.22 | benjamindees | it's in lenny but I guess not in SID? |
| 06:55.51 | simonrvn | it's gone |
| 06:56.05 | simonrvn | judd: versions kcontrol |
| 06:56.05 | judd | simonrvn: kcontrol -- etch-security: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch1 etch: 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2 etch-backports: 4:3.5.7-4~bpo40+1 lenny: 4:3.5.9.dfsg.1-6 |
| 06:56.21 | milco | im on testing |
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| 06:59.42 | benjamindees | well I don't know you can probably run the font configuration module somehow but I don't have a functional system in front of me atm |
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| 07:01.19 | benjamindees | systemsettings ? |
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| 07:01.57 | benjamindees | why would they replace kcontrol... that is so retarded |
| 07:02.13 | blahdeblah | jelly: hey, just wanted to say thanks again for your help last night on that lenny upgrade problem. In case you missed it, the answer was a manual dpkg -i of libc6 - that made perl work again, which sorted out everything else. |
| 07:02.58 | benjamindees | "Hey guys our office suite and web browser are barely functional but let's re-write a bunch of useful stuff instead." |
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| 07:23.17 | exitstate | so i'm testing squeeze out, with lvm encryption, issue being now when it boots it's unable to find device in /dev/mapper space only /dev/disk/by-uuid.... |
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| 07:34.37 | oh_noes | is it possible to tell shutdown to not return ever? |
| 07:34.56 | oh_noes | I haave a script which calls shutdown -r, but shutdown returns then the script does a few other things I just want it to sit there |
| 07:36.37 | simonrvn | showdown -r <what> |
| 07:36.41 | simonrvn | shut* |
| 07:36.49 | nevyn | you want shutdown to not return? |
| 07:40.29 | benjamindees | great. no space left on device. |
| 07:41.04 | benjamindees | "how doeth aptitude suck? let me count the ways..." |
| 07:42.02 | nullrend | make sure is a long int |
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| 07:43.38 | benjamindees | surely there's a command that won't return. just follow it with that. |
| 07:44.43 | benjamindees | ask in #bash |
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| 07:46.41 | benjamindees | or follow it with 'exit'... unless you don't want your script to return either... |
| 07:47.17 | jmarsden | thinks sleep 36600d should be enough (a bit over 100 years of delay...) |
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| 07:52.42 | simonrvn | nah just let it sit there ;p |
| 07:55.08 | alkisg | Just wondering, if no critical bugs are found, how long would it take for libsdl1.2debian 1.2.14-1 to reach testing? Weeks; Months; It's currently in experimental. |
| 07:55.28 | xsdg | alkisg: never |
| 07:55.34 | alkisg | ? |
| 07:55.36 | xsdg | alkisg: nothing automatically migrates out of experimental |
| 07:55.50 | alkisg | Ah, so someone should manually put it to testing first.. |
| 07:55.57 | simonrvn | has to be uploaded to sid first |
| 07:55.57 | alkisg | Thanks |
| 07:56.02 | xsdg | alkisg: when the devs put it in unstable, then it'll migrate to testing after (iirc) two weeks past the last time an RC bug has been filed |
| 07:56.07 | simonrvn | no, sid (unstable) first |
| 07:56.07 | alkisg | Erm, sid, right |
| 07:56.07 | xsdg | s#filed#fixed# |
| 07:56.25 | xsdg | bah, existed :o) |
| 07:56.30 | simonrvn | 10 days, unless that changed |
| 07:56.42 | xsdg | simonrvn: I'm probably wrong |
| 07:57.13 | xsdg | simonrvn: a business fortnight ;o) |
| 07:57.26 | simonrvn | purdy much ;p |
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| 08:08.53 | oh_noes | is there a program/package which can update /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 08:09.00 | oh_noes | Or do I need to my sed my way through it? |
| 08:09.11 | oh_noes | I was hoping I could /foo/something eth0 ip <newip> |
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| 08:12.51 | timClicks | am trying to replicate a live usb with dd. the new drive wont load - screen moans about damaged / invalid boot partition. the source usb boots fine.... any ideas? |
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| 08:15.31 | benjamindees | are you using the right device? bad md5sum? |
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| 08:30.45 | massmc | hi, how to fully remove boinc from my pc.. does aptitude remove do it's job? how do i get rid of everything associated with the app |
| 08:31.13 | simonrvn | !purge |
| 08:31.13 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P <package>' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore config files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>." |
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| 08:35.24 | exitstate | simonrvn: you know anything about this libgmyth0 removal in squeeze |
| 08:35.27 | exitstate | i can't find anything |
| 08:35.32 | simonrvn | no |
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| 08:41.02 | blizzkid | Lo all. When having eth0, eth0:1, eth0:2, eth0:3, is it smart/necesary/stupid to assign each ip a different hostname in /etc/hosts? |
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| 08:43.16 | exitstate | blizzkid: not stupid, esp. if you want to keep track of it w/out having to use external dns. |
| 08:43.27 | benjamindees | it's not stupid. whether it's smart or necessary depends. |
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| 08:43.50 | exitstate | Just a force of habit that I have had for a while. |
| 08:44.11 | blizzkid | exitstate, benjamindees I usually use eth0 for eg www/ssl and eth0:1 for eg ssh |
| 08:44.39 | exitstate | makes no difference really |
| 08:45.20 | blizzkid | ok, good to hear it won't hurt :) |
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| 08:45.42 | blizzkid | btw, can /etc/hostname contain multiple entries? |
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| 08:53.22 | benjamindees | bsd and solaris seem to support multiple hostname files but I doubt gnu does |
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| 09:02.30 | benjamindees | is there an easy way to get rid of all localization packages except Americun ones? :p |
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| 09:23.17 | imad_ | hello |
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| 09:29.42 | imad_ | i want to do bonding of an ethernet card and wireless card just to get a higher speed. there is an open unsecured wlan0 and i want to make use of that with my own internet connection. i am using the wlan0 and the eth0 of my laptop, of course. I want to use the bond inside my laptop as my default internet connection. how can I achieve that? I know the steps to bond from the tldp howtos. but i need the way to route things to the bond interface. tha |
| 09:29.43 | imad_ | nks. |
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| 09:33.04 | Tiffon | nas |
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| 09:33.59 | imad_ | Tiffon, what have you just said? |
| 09:34.07 | Tiffon | hello |
| 09:34.17 | Tiffon | god morning |
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| 09:34.31 | imad_ | good morning brother |
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| 09:37.07 | T1loc | hi, i have this following problem : my debian doesn't start :Just this message: GRUB :s when I try to start with a live cd it works |
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| 09:37.47 | T1loc | (livecd : boot from the first harddisk works) |
| 09:37.54 | T1loc | any idea? |
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| 09:38.47 | MASARUwota | T1loc: your GRUB config file is fucked |
| 09:38.47 | MASARUwota | ;/ |
| 09:39.05 | cahoot | T1loc: the message grub gives just might up you chances for help |
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| 09:41.43 | T1loc | MASARUwota: oO |
| 09:41.44 | T1loc | ok |
| 09:41.47 | heroxbd | Hi guys. Sometimes when I visit a package page like http://packages.debian.org/sid/libroot-core-dev, only one or two architecture is available. What happened to these packages? |
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| 09:49.57 | T1loc | MASARUwota: it's an another problem : i have doing : mv /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst.old and after : update-grub ... it does not work better |
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| 09:51.09 | jelly | heroxbd: visit the Developer Information (PTS) link... the package hasn't been built for other architectures yet (either its build setup is buggy, or it's too fresh) |
| 09:52.51 | heroxbd | jelly: ah-ha. ThX. |
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| 09:54.09 | blahdeblah | jelly: did you see my thank you earlier? |
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| 09:56.45 | jelly | blahdeblah: now I did! |
| 09:56.53 | blahdeblah | :-) |
| 09:56.56 | blahdeblah | Well, thanks |
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| 09:57.22 | blahdeblah | That was the most annoying Debian upgrade i've ever had |
| 09:57.28 | blahdeblah | Mostly it goes smooth as silk! |
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| 10:03.56 | mike4995 | question > why do the fonts in Debian look so big and weird and ****** up (gnome)? |
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| 10:07.26 | mike4995 | i would like to switch to KDE, im on testing, but when trying to install, apt-get install kde .. i get |
| 10:07.27 | mike4995 | Package kde is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
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| 10:10.31 | imad_ | mike4995, check other names starting with kde |
| 10:10.35 | a2f | anyone here good with apt? |
| 10:10.44 | imad_ | yeah what? |
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| 10:11.00 | mike4995 | testing repos looks broken! |
| 10:11.12 | imad_ | mike these days don't use the testing |
| 10:11.13 | mike4995 | http://pastebin.ca/1708101 |
| 10:11.30 | imad_ | use the stable plus backports |
| 10:11.41 | imad_ | don't use other wise |
| 10:11.53 | mike4995 | imad_, it runs fine here - hardly any problems (actually none, beside my touchpad ..tapping doesnt work well) |
| 10:11.56 | imad_ | testing hangs after 5 days or so |
| 10:12.15 | imad_ | wel.. |
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| 10:12.21 | mike4995 | stable = old kde3 |
| 10:12.32 | imad_ | mike.. there is backports |
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| 10:12.40 | a2f | imad_, i installed a basic gnome environment with just gdm and gnome-core then tried to install google chrome beta but it needed xdg-utils... well xdg-utils came tied with a bunch of other crap that i didnt' want so i figured i'd get the source, install it like then then run dpkg -i --ignore-depends=xdg-utils google-chrome.deb... worked fine but then when i try to install other software synaptic still tries to install the xdg-utils package |
| 10:12.45 | mike4995 | thats what i can install kde from right? |
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| 10:13.27 | imad_ | a2f, synaptic will always follow depends |
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| 10:13.47 | imad_ | there is no way out |
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| 10:14.10 | mike4995 | imad_, ok .. im gonna install stable |
| 10:14.26 | mike4995 | hope that the stable, lenny kernel is as good as this testing one |
| 10:14.29 | a2f | imad_ so i should just install chromium from source then |
| 10:14.38 | mike4995 | (0 errors/failures on boot - runs like hellfire, 30sec boot) |
| 10:14.40 | imad_ | mike4995, just look for the backports repositories |
| 10:14.50 | mike4995 | instead of installing lenny you mean? |
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| 10:15.23 | imad_ | mike4995, and add it laters to the sources.list of the repositories or in synaptic |
| 10:15.34 | imad_ | the way you like it |
| 10:15.59 | imad_ | guys with debian you will usuall stick with old software |
| 10:16.05 | imad_ | guys with debian you will usually stick with old software |
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| 10:16.11 | dominiq | hello folks, can someone please explain to me how to efficently change access.log path in apache2 conf? i tried and i failed.. it is still writing to old path |
| 10:16.37 | imad_ | that's until the next coming edition of debian. |
| 10:16.58 | imad_ | but being old makes it stable generally |
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| 10:17.12 | imad_ | verrrry stable |
| 10:17.31 | mike4995 | imad_, but i liek cutting edge bro .. cutting edge, stable software :P |
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| 10:18.03 | imad_ | well... |
| 10:18.08 | rvsjoen | dominiq: what did you try |
| 10:18.11 | mike4995 | imad_, just kidding, i know it cannot be both .. go hand in hand |
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| 10:18.49 | jelly | dominiq: have you restarted apache afterwards? |
| 10:18.49 | dominiq | jelly yes |
| 10:18.56 | jelly | dominiq: not merely reloaded it? |
| 10:18.57 | dominiq | i tried CustomLog /path/here common |
| 10:19.09 | dominiq | i did /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 10:19.13 | imad_ | mike4995, maybe the program that can do 1+1 addition is stable and cutting edge |
| 10:19.29 | imad_ | i want to do bonding of an ethernet card and wireless card just to get a higher speed. there is an open unsecured wlan0 and i want to make use of that with my own internet connection. i am using the wlan0 and the eth0 of my laptop, of course. I want to use the bond inside my laptop as my default internet connection. how can I achieve that? I know the steps to bond from the tldp howtos. but i need the way to route things to the bond interface. tha |
| 10:19.29 | imad_ | nks. |
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| 10:19.53 | imad_ | not really route to the bond |
| 10:20.10 | imad_ | i just want the bond be my default connection |
| 10:20.15 | dominiq | jelly also i made sure that access.log in new path is chmod 640 and root:adm |
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| 10:20.55 | dominiq | also, there was no problem moving error.log - it writes in new path nicely |
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| 10:39.09 | Coke | Hi! Is it possible to do your own installation from source and tell the package manager that a package is indeed provided for all who depend on it? |
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| 10:40.36 | themill | Coke: What are you trying to achieve over just using the debian package? |
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| 10:46.01 | Coke | themill: I want traditional Exim and Python installatinos |
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| 10:46.58 | Coke | themill: (apache too, most likely) |
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| 10:50.19 | Coke | Not sure if my messages got through, modem crapped out |
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| 10:51.15 | Coke | themill: I want traditional Exim and Python installations |
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| 10:56.05 | kiri | whoah!! |
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| 10:56.53 | kiri | anyway, I have this Pidgin which I just did apt-get upgrade pidgin, how do I know what original version was backported? |
| 10:57.27 | Coke | Have I stopped lagging out already? |
| 10:57.49 | Coke | ping? |
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| 10:58.39 | Coke | Dunno, my modem went offline there for a while, I'll repost my original question. |
| 10:59.06 | Coke | (copy) Hi! Is it possible to do your own installation from source and tell the package manager that a package is indeed provided for all who depend on it? |
| 10:59.29 | themill | Coke: what do you mean by "traditional"? What's untraditional about the debian pacakges? |
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| 11:00.01 | Coke | themill: most notably, if you build Python from source it use only one directory for everything Python. |
| 11:00.17 | Coke | themill: /usr/lib/python<version>/site-packages <- this is where python things should be. |
| 11:00.31 | jelly | dominiq: what does apache2ctl -S say? |
| 11:00.55 | themill | Coke: debian uses that directory too |
| 11:01.01 | Coke | themill: only? |
| 11:01.14 | Coke | themill: and there's no need for python-support or python-central? |
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| 11:01.50 | themill | Coke: they provide the means to support multiple versions of python through symlink farms within site-packages |
| 11:02.03 | Coke | themill: exactly the insanity I want to avoid |
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| 11:02.45 | jelly | dominiq: oh, nevermind that, it doesn't show logs |
| 11:02.48 | themill | Coke: umm... what's insane about supporting multiple versions of python? It's pretty common for applications or modules to require one specific version of python (2.4 or 2.5 or whatever) |
| 11:02.59 | Coke | themill: it works fine without all that crap |
| 11:03.11 | themill | Coke: many applications do not |
| 11:03.21 | Coke | themill: I run 3 different versions, the reason I had to switch from Debian to Arch on the server was that I simply did not have the time to pamper the wierd packages in Debian |
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| 11:03.41 | themill | Coke: umm... there's no pampering involved. Now you're just trolling.... |
| 11:03.50 | Coke | themill: absolutely not true. I have a full production system running 2.4, 2.5 and 2.6 on two different architectures |
| 11:03.57 | Coke | themill: no, I asked a very specific question. |
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| 11:04.57 | Coke | themill: disregard my oppinion about the Debian Python policy |
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| 11:05.18 | themill | Coke: current debian python policy is a joke that is being fixed at present; that's different story |
| 11:05.28 | Coke | themill: ? |
| 11:05.48 | themill | "policy" has a specific meaning. It's a document. |
| 11:06.06 | themill | Coke: if you want to break your system in this way, you'd need to look at "equivs" to fake out these dependencies. Don't expect any debian-provided packages at all remotely related to apache, python, exim etc to work after that. Enjoy. |
| 11:06.09 | Coke | themill: let's just say that I have 30 clients and 2 servers running 3 versions of python on 2 architectures, NONE of them need python-central or symlink hell |
| 11:06.35 | Coke | themill: there's the 3rd server with debian, it does, and it's a nightmare |
| 11:06.56 | Coke | the short answer would be "don't do it" |
| 11:07.11 | themill | *shrug* I've never had any hassles with it at all. |
| 11:07.27 | jelly | as for "<Coke> (copy) Hi! Is it possible to do your own installation from source and tell the package manager that a package is indeed provided for all who depend on it?", /msg dpkg equivs |
| 11:07.30 | Coke | themill: probably because you don't run 3 version of python and a lot of custom built python modules |
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| 11:08.23 | themill | Coke: I use the debian supplied packages for python... hence the rest of the python-* packages just work. Out of debian modules work fine too here. |
| 11:08.35 | Coke | themill: exactly, no custom things |
| 11:08.45 | themill | Out of debian modules work fine too here. |
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| 11:09.26 | themill | Coke: that you have chosen to break python itself doesn't make the rest of python-{support,central} bad. |
| 11:09.27 | Coke | themill: yeh, that's why I had to switch the servers, debian was pretty much "our way or the highway" |
| 11:09.36 | Coke | themill: it is bad |
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| 11:09.45 | Coke | themill: it adds complexity and solves nothing |
| 11:09.52 | themill | right... |
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| 11:10.10 | jelly | themill: he's not breaking it as much as merely using the upstream way, afaict? |
| 11:10.24 | themill | jelly: and then expecting debian's python packages to work with that |
| 11:10.32 | Coke | themill: I will end the subject on saying this; i switched my previously fav os (debian) to archlinux on 2/3 servers and the 3rd will go pretty soon simpy because Debian doesn't do it like the rest of the world when it comes to Python |
| 11:10.37 | jelly | themill: I haven't seen that |
| 11:10.40 | themill | s/python/python-* module/ |
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| 11:11.39 | Coke | I'm willing to build everything Python manually to avoid the Debian Python policy, I just have to make sure that the rest of the system is OK |
| 11:11.44 | themill | jelly: if he wasn't trying to install debian python-* module packages, onto his custom python, he wouldn't be grizzling about python-{central,support} making symlink farms. |
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| 11:11.57 | Coke | themill: yeah I would |
| 11:12.07 | themill | Coke: you need to rebuild every single python module yourself too |
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| 11:12.17 | themill | for all three python versions. |
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| 11:12.30 | Coke | themill: better that than spreading it out over some 20 directories making it IMPOSSIBLE to dig for bugs outside of your own code |
| 11:12.41 | themill | huh? |
| 11:12.44 | Coke | themill: that's how I do it today with the exception of 2.6 |
| 11:12.52 | themill | so go off and do that... |
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| 11:13.45 | Coke | themill: sure. but I don't want any parts of the system failing or require me to use Debian python |
| 11:13.56 | themill | but just don't expect any debian python module package to work |
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| 11:14.07 | hoo-hah | Coke: is there no way to have all server matching software? |
| 11:14.13 | hoo-hah | distros or unices? |
| 11:14.27 | Coke | hoo-hah: sure, how so? |
| 11:15.00 | Coke | hoo-hah: currently Debian only adds complexity to the Python installation, something I don't need for my production environment |
| 11:15.36 | hoo-hah | you're running Arch as a production server? |
| 11:15.45 | Coke | hoo-hah: and yeah, ideally I'd run Debian on both servers and workstations, but as of late the policies on packaing is not agreeing with my simplistic philosophy |
| 11:15.49 | Coke | hoo-hah: Yes. |
| 11:15.49 | hoo-hah | (sorry, disconnected and no scrollback history) |
| 11:15.56 | Coke | hoo-hah: but that's not important |
| 11:15.59 | themill | Coke: you'd rather the complexity of rebuilding python and every single python module and doing your own security support instead.... yay. |
| 11:16.18 | Coke | themill: yes, that's how bad the debian python policy is |
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| 11:16.21 | themill | Coke: Any debian package that just calls /usr/bin/python or /usr/bin/python2.? will continue to work with your custom python. Every debian python module will fail. |
| 11:16.33 | Coke | themill: and for one of those python versions there are changes to python that require some changes |
| 11:17.11 | jelly | Coke: there's nothing stopping you from using own build in /opt/python, that's what we did for our Perl developers in the end |
| 11:17.13 | Coke | themill: yeah, so Debian has said "screw upstream policies, you do it our way or not at all" |
| 11:17.23 | hoo-hah | Coke: it's not important..yes.. I just didn't think anybody did |
| 11:17.27 | Coke | jelly: they've broken perl too? |
| 11:17.38 | Coke | hoo-hah: Arch is a lot easier to handle than Debian |
| 11:17.47 | jelly | Coke: not so much broken, as too old |
| 11:17.50 | Coke | hoo-hah: all packages work as upstream intended, no fancy schmancy stuff |
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| 11:18.19 | hoo-hah | but then upstream wouldn't give a rats ass about the rest of the software on your system |
| 11:18.20 | Coke | jelly: i haven't followed perl in years. |
| 11:18.46 | Coke | hoo-hah: Python is very simple, all things Python (except executables) go in /usr/lib/python<version>/site-packages |
| 11:18.51 | Coke | hoo-hah: that is a one-liner manual. |
| 11:18.51 | themill | Coke: it's not "debian's way or nothing at all". You're the one who is actively trying to avoid using the debian tools for this and in doing so breaking the way that python modules are compiled on debian machines. That's not debian's fault. |
| 11:19.14 | jelly | Coke: I'm just saying, one can consider /usr/bin/python as part of the OS and not to be tampered with |
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| 11:19.57 | Coke | jelly: yeah, /usr/bin/python sure |
| 11:20.04 | themill | Coke: What you're doing is the equivalent of removing "coreutils" and then complaining that it's "Debian's way or the highway" because we haven't given you a /bin/rm. |
| 11:20.12 | Coke | jelly: I'm just saying Python has a standard, Debian does not work by it |
| 11:20.19 | Coke | themill: uhm, no |
| 11:20.23 | themill | Coke: and this is being addressed for py2,6 |
| 11:20.29 | jelly | Coke: that's true. |
| 11:20.53 | Coke | themill: it's the equivalent of someone saying "I'm gonne solve a problem using this complex method, even though the problem is already solved by the most simplistic and easy to use method" |
| 11:21.22 | Coke | themill: I go by the standard Python upstream way of handling modules and versions, it's VERY easy, very simple and super easy to debug with |
| 11:21.49 | Coke | I only have to worry about ONE default destination for all files Python per version. No symlinks involved, no extra support or installation hacks, just copy files and go if i want |
| 11:21.59 | themill | And how is this any different? And since when are you debugging modules like this in a production environemnt? |
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| 11:22.18 | themill | Coke: no, you have 3 installations of all modules instead. |
| 11:22.28 | Coke | themill: I'd say it's pretty common that smaller companies do debugging in production environments |
| 11:22.29 | themill | and no compilation support |
| 11:22.42 | Coke | themill: OH NOES! I'm a gonna lose 300k of HD space, how will I ever surviev? |
| 11:22.54 | Coke | themill: most python packages come with a nifty build script |
| 11:23.09 | themill | And you have to manually keep the module versions in sync. And this is easy how? |
| 11:23.10 | jelly | _always_ does debugging in a production environment... when things break in production |
| 11:23.24 | Coke | usually gnu make, cmake or setup.py that all want to install their Python stuff in ONE directory |
| 11:23.36 | Coke | themill: no i dont |
| 11:23.45 | Coke | themill: you make the mistake of thinking that each version of python must look identical |
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| 11:24.08 | themill | I'm still trying to work out why a symlink makes debugging harder, but I know this isn't something I'm ever going to understand... |
| 11:24.49 | Coke | themill: because instead of KNOWING with absolute certainty that everything you run in version 2.6 is located in /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages, you have to scour dozens of directories, implement support for python-central etc |
| 11:25.06 | themill | python2.6 isn't in debian anyway |
| 11:25.12 | Coke | themill: I've never had to use symlinks or Python central (or any of those dist helpers) since I started using Python at version 2.1 |
| 11:25.54 | Coke | themill: yet Debian somehow feels I need to add enormous complexity in order to cope with... what exactly? That I lose a few hundred k's of disk space having the same module installed twice? |
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| 11:26.47 | themill | It would be some tens of MB actually, and that's quite important to the low-resource embedded people. |
| 11:26.49 | Coke | I filed a bug against this (because the new Debian policy broke at least 2 old policies) and the response was "if you don't like it, build your own", but now you're saying that will be pretty hard too. |
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| 11:27.07 | Coke | themill: so why can't that 0.01% of the Debian user base do their stuff manually? |
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| 11:27.14 | themill | Coke: it wouldn't be hard... you just have to do it all yourself... |
| 11:27.30 | jelly | themill: and embedded people use multiple versions of python on their systems? |
| 11:27.50 | themill | jelly: probably, given how bad python is for backwards compatability |
| 11:28.00 | Coke | jelly: yeah, the whole Python policy thing in Debian just reaks. it's a shame because it's the only Linux I trust with stability and security |
| 11:28.00 | jelly | come on, the gut has a valid point and Debian's python setup has been overly complex for years |
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| 11:28.33 | Coke | jelly: maintainers told me to fuck off, basically |
| 11:28.45 | Coke | I explained to them "you gain nothing but a few k's of disk space and you add so much complexity" |
| 11:29.00 | themill | I'm still not seeing the complexity, but hey. |
| 11:29.14 | jelly | Coke: I'm not surprised, some people like what they create a bit too much even if it serves little purpose |
| 11:29.20 | Coke | themill: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ |
| 11:29.30 | Coke | themill: how many pages are that? compare that to ONE line of instructions given by upstream |
| 11:29.49 | Coke | jelly: made me switch after a good 8 year run with debian only |
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| 11:30.06 | Coke | jelly: I run a rolling release, bleeding edge distro in favour of Debian on my servers only because of this whole Python mess. |
| 11:30.07 | OpenTokix | Is this discussion about the symlinks in /usr/lib/pythonx.x/site-packages? |
| 11:30.12 | themill | Coke: yes, I'm quite familiar with it. I'm not seeing the complexity though. And it deals with a lot more than what upstream deals with, and very very few upstreams have any clue about what a distributor has to do. |
| 11:30.18 | themill | OpenTokix: yes |
| 11:30.24 | Coke | themill: if there's no complexity why do you need so many pages to describe it? |
| 11:30.42 | Coke | themill: true, it raises a few other issues. but the main issue in the policy is a NON-issue |
| 11:30.56 | themill | Coke: ffs... upstream's instructions don't deal with upgrade procedures etc |
| 11:31.02 | Coke | themill: yes they do |
| 11:31.18 | themill | Coke: not for upgrading the default python in debian they don't... |
| 11:31.22 | Coke | themill: if you upgrade to a new version of Python you have to install all your python modules in that new site-packages directory, very simple |
| 11:31.33 | Coke | themill: no, but that's because Debian have chosen to do it the insane way |
| 11:31.36 | themill | that's something that has to be coordinated amongst several hundred maintainers |
| 11:31.47 | Coke | themill: do you run production environments over multiple versions of Python? |
| 11:31.52 | themill | yes |
| 11:32.06 | Coke | themill: and your main production software is written in Python? |
| 11:32.10 | themill | on many different machines |
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| 11:32.27 | themill | mostly perl but there's a lot of python there too and I do python development and packaging |
| 11:32.36 | Coke | themill: I'm not talking about running installations individually, locally, I'm talking about running it on a large production network |
| 11:32.45 | themill | so am I |
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| 11:32.52 | Coke | themill: well, then good sir, good luck with the Debian shite coz I ain't touching it with pliars |
| 11:32.53 | themill | Coke: If you have some _constructive_ criticism, there's currently a review of the debian python policy that's going on at the moment that you'll find on the debian-python mailing list. If you're just going to rant and whinge, then please don't bother posting to the list as you'll only hinder the current work. |
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| 11:33.07 | Coke | themill: yes. stop adding complexity when none is needed |
| 11:33.09 | mike9494 | why do i have such a big / dirty looking font after installing nvidia/glx kernel drivers |
| 11:33.12 | Coke | Keep It Simple Stupid |
| 11:33.17 | themill | Coke: that's neither constructive nor useful. |
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| 11:33.28 | Coke | themill: it is. just do what everybody else does |
| 11:33.30 | mike9494 | gnome looks really good, until i install the glx driver |
| 11:33.44 | mike9494 | while the resolution is ok (native) |
| 11:33.48 | themill | Coke: it's not and it's not. Enjoy your fun... I have real work to do. |
| 11:33.53 | Coke | themill: Python upstream is very clear on this. just build Python from sources and use the defaults in the build, that's how it's supposed to be done |
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| 11:34.43 | Coke | themill: you just keep saying "keep it simple" isn't constructive, but it used to be the paradigm of the unix community |
| 11:35.37 | Coke | jelly: did you have a link for the ongoing discussion? |
| 11:35.57 | Coke | jelly: or the suggestion for upcoming versions |
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| 11:44.15 | victoria | hi |
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| 11:51.40 | jiajia | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.50 | jiajia | can i have by apt-get |
| 11:51.54 | PythonRegius | no |
| 11:52.28 | PythonRegius | not from debian anyway |
| 11:52.31 | jiajia | PythonRegius: then how would i do it man |
| 11:52.35 | jiajia | from the web |
| 11:52.40 | PythonRegius | stfw? |
| 11:52.48 | jiajia | what is that |
| 11:52.54 | PythonRegius | search the web |
| 11:53.29 | jiajia | aha that means search the fuc.. web |
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| 11:53.56 | Kvant | jiajia, http://deb.opera.com/ |
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| 11:56.01 | jiajia | how could i suppose to open the file with .deb ending |
| 11:56.19 | Kvant | with: dpkg -i |
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| 12:00.42 | mike9494 | i placed this in my xorg.conf, Option "UseEdidDpi" "FALSE" Option "DPI" "96 x 96" |
| 12:01.11 | mike9494 | now it looks (the fonts etc) nearly good, but im not sure if it should be 96x96 ... |
| 12:01.31 | mike9494 | i can use some advise about this ..... anyone one? :) |
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| 12:03.41 | oliva | Hi there, I need to add two hard disk of 500GB to an host to get an unique virtual device of 1TB, from the performance point of view is it better to use lvm or raid 0 software? |
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| 12:05.00 | PythonRegius | oliva: why don't you try it? |
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| 12:07.00 | tazle | hmm, I get "Font T1/cmr/m/n/12=ecrm1200 at 12.0pt not loadable: Metric (TFM) file not found" when running latex on a file with \usepackage[T1]{fontenc} - I wonder what's missing |
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| 12:13.12 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 12:13.40 | paissad-hp | i would like to build lame directly from svn ... how should i proceed in order not to break the packaging |
| 12:14.07 | paissad-hp | thanks in advance |
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| 12:16.34 | paissad-hp | !ssb |
| 12:16.34 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 12:33.00 | Xenguy | Hi - my thinkpad laptop shutdown automatically last night because the temperature got too hot :-( This is the first time this has happened. Are there any recommended software tools that would be useful for me to diagnose e.g. whether my fan is working, or to help me monitor the temperature? |
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| 12:33.55 | Xenguy | brb |
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| 12:36.29 | EugenMayer | can I mount a directory into into some other place? |
| 12:36.37 | EugenMayer | (I need this for sftp chroot) |
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| 12:37.05 | sepski | EugenMayer, a bind mount ? |
| 12:37.37 | sepski | EugenMayer, man mount and search for bind |
| 12:38.13 | EugenMayer | sepski: whatever. I just run into that the ChrootDirectory MUST be owned by root (rwx,rx,rx) otherwise you can't login |
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| 12:38.18 | ethanol | traceroute to 192.168.1.11 (192.168.1.11), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets |
| 12:38.19 | ethanol | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.23 | ethanol | what does this mean? |
| 12:38.31 | ethanol | besides epic fail |
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| 12:38.36 | EugenMayer | sepski: that small but important details is not in the docs |
| 12:38.57 | ethanol | I can't ssh to .11, while I can ssh to 1.10, from there ssh to 1.11, and from there I can ping to 1.21. but 1.21 cannot ping to 1.11 |
| 12:38.57 | ethanol | :< |
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| 12:41.03 | EugenMayer | sepski: well, you can't use mount bind + sftp chroot :/ |
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| 12:43.59 | paissad-hp | what's the equivalent of apt-get -b source packagename for aptitude ? |
| 12:44.23 | ethanol | what is -b ? |
| 12:44.32 | paissad-hp | !ssb |
| 12:44.33 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 12:44.52 | paissad-hp | 3rd step |
| 12:45.08 | paissad-hp | compile |
| 12:45.42 | ethanol | I see |
| 12:46.20 | themill | paissad-hp: aptitude doesn't do anything with source packages |
| 12:46.51 | paissad-hp | themill, just apt-get can do it so ? |
| 12:47.05 | themill | paissad-hp: that is, there is no equivalent but there also doesn't need to be as none of the interesting things like dependency resolution, tracking manually installed packages etc is actually needed for that step anyway |
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| 12:47.43 | paissad-hp | don't know what you mean :/ |
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| 12:48.42 | themill | paissad-hp: That step doesn't install any packages, it just download a three files, applies some patches and compiles something. You don't need the brains of aptitude or even apt-get to do that. |
| 12:49.02 | paissad-hp | themill, how would you do ? |
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| 12:49.23 | themill | paissad-hp: you could also do it with: dget http://path/to/package/packagename.dsc ; cd package-version ; dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us -rfakeroot. |
| 12:49.58 | paissad-hp | hmm, a lil bit complicate for me ^__^, i'm really noob :s |
| 12:49.59 | themill | The two are functionally the same and in fact, apt-get -b just calls dpkg-buildpackage anyway. |
| 12:50.38 | themill | paissad-hp: If it's something I have a deb-src entry for, I'd just use apt-get -b anyway unless I also wanted to change the package prior to compilation. |
| 12:50.53 | paissad-hp | themill, i see |
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| 12:52.21 | themill | Xenguy: my laptop has been doing that a lot recently but it's a broken temperature sensor somewhere... I don't think it's actually getting to 5000°C inside my laptop, so I've just "rmmod thermal" and hope... not really a solution I'm happy with though. |
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| 12:52.58 | hoo-hah | hi guys, any of you know if it's necessary to bridge network interfaces for network access in a kvm-qemu guest? |
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| 12:53.28 | hoo-hah | or will the kvm host recognise network settings without any changes to interfaces |
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| 13:04.30 | paissad-hp | well, i downloaded the latest cvs version of lame i would like to recompile & have a deb to change my current lame-version.deb |
| 13:04.36 | paissad-hp | how should i proceed |
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| 13:05.02 | paissad-hp | the wiser way for me i mean |
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| 13:06.47 | Mlouis | can we enable the unstable repository to install a package with aptitude in commandline like with yum in fedora ? |
| 13:07.30 | OpenTokix | Mlouis: Yes, you want to use apt-pinning. But the functionally of broken dependencies, is not working like in fedora. |
| 13:07.31 | nkuttler | paissad-hp: do you absolutely need cvs? there are debs. |
| 13:07.52 | nkuttler | Mlouis: you probably want to build or install a backport, /msg dpkg backports |
| 13:08.10 | paissad-hp | nkuttler, i'have a bug with mp3lame and try the svn :s |
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| 13:08.39 | nkuttler | paissad-hp: well, /msg dpkg lame, get one of the source packages, apply the patch to svn and build i guess |
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| 13:14.58 | Mlouis | OpenTokix, nkuttler: ok thank you |
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| 13:21.10 | Polarina | Am I right that 6.0 is to be released this month? |
| 13:23.05 | jelly | Polarina: no |
| 13:23.14 | Polarina | :( |
| 13:23.23 | jelly | !wwsr |
| 13:23.24 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a <freeze> starting in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>. |
| 13:23.33 | jelly | !squeeze pool 1 |
| 13:23.34 | dpkg | ! jelly=2010-09-29 dpalacio=2010-08-03 cydork=2010-07-10 CutMeOwnThroat=2010-06-15 enouf=2010-04-01 valdyn=2010-10-30 themill=2010-05-30 valdyn=2010-06-15 rohan=2010-12-06 |
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| 13:23.51 | jelly | !squeeze bet |
| 13:23.52 | dpkg | To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid. |
| 13:24.10 | Polarina | jelly: Oh, thanks! |
| 13:24.12 | jelly | Polarina: you MAY place your bet this month! |
| 13:24.19 | jelly | even right now! |
| 13:24.28 | Polarina | Bet on what? |
| 13:24.29 | themill | Silly us who put our names in there soon after the lenny release when the December freeze was the plan! |
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| 13:24.49 | jelly | Polarina: the release date for squeeze (to be 6.0) |
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| 13:24.56 | Polarina | :P |
| 13:25.05 | Polarina | What do I bet with? |
| 13:25.09 | themill | makes Polarina read... |
| 13:25.22 | paissad-hp | nkuttler, actually, ffmpeg guys say that i need to downgrade to lame-3.97 knowing that i hav 3.98 currently |
| 13:25.28 | jelly | themill: suckas |
| 13:25.37 | paissad-hp | how to downgrade a package ? |
| 13:26.00 | eshat | Hi all, I need to perform a BIOS Update but have no floppy drive :(, is there a way to create a usb stick than simulates a floppy disc using an iso file (created with dd) ? |
| 13:26.06 | nkuttler | paissad-hp: downgrade isn't really supported. try to purge the package and reinstall the correct version |
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| 13:26.12 | nkuttler | or uninstall, not purge, whatever |
| 13:26.34 | paissad-hp | i see |
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| 13:26.56 | jelly | eshat: I think you can just dd the floppy image on the device and go with that _if_ your BIOS supports usb-floppy emulation |
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| 13:28.24 | eshat | jelly: hmm,... Okay,... I ll try that... thanks |
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| 13:30.25 | luda | hello |
| 13:30.31 | luda | is this only for linux people? |
| 13:31.32 | hoo-hah | luda: motive |
| 13:31.34 | cahoot | and only a subest too |
| 13:31.41 | cahoot | meh subset |
| 13:31.49 | lftsy | Hello, is it possible to get the changelog of an installed deb file without using apt-listchanges nameofdebfile.deb or going into the /usr/share/docs folder. Like the "rpm -q --changelog" on redhat ? Thanks |
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| 13:32.50 | themill | lftsy: packages.debian.org has links to the changelog or you can poke around inside the .deb using something like "mc" |
| 13:33.42 | luda | no one is really talking?? |
| 13:33.56 | yopyop | hey, to can use linux-image-xen-amd64_2.6.26+17+lenny1_amd64.deb i need to have install debian for amd64 ? i installed a 686, i can boot on amd64 kernel, but i can't search -xen-amd64 kernel. is there any limitation ? |
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| 13:34.29 | jelly | lftsy: zless /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 13:34.36 | themill | lftsy: apt-listchanges -a /path/to/the.deb also works. |
| 13:34.37 | jelly | see, you don't have to "go there"! |
| 13:35.12 | lftsy | themill: Thanks, I already use packages.debian.org and packages.qa.debian.org but from one server, if the deb files has been purged from the /var/cache/apt/archives, the deb file is not present anymore on the server, so I cannot use the apt-listchanged command. I assume the "cat /usr/share/docs/.../changelog" might be the best solution |
| 13:35.21 | jelly | lftsy: also, "aptitude changelog packagename" works even for not installed ones |
| 13:35.24 | lftsy | OK, thanks Everybody |
| 13:35.45 | luda | anyone know much about data warehousing???? |
| 13:35.45 | lftsy | jelly: Even better your answer! |
| 13:36.00 | themill | lftsy: if you're doing this frequently, then make a shell alias that shows you the relevant changelog from /usr/share/doc/packagename/ |
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| 13:39.36 | jelly | apti<tab> ch<tab> lin<tab>-ima<tab>-2.6.32-tr<tab><tab><tab> :-) |
| 13:41.51 | jelly | wonders about the person that meticulously created relevant zsh completion functions |
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| 13:45.55 | themill | jelly: probably the same person who created it for bash :) |
| 13:46.29 | jelly | themill: probably not |
| 13:46.33 | jelly | bash sucks! |
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| 13:48.54 | pom | I compiled ./configured and make'd lighttp, then scp that folder to a second computer, where "make install" seemed to compile it again. Nevertheless, it installed fine after that. On a third computer it's not working though. Is it worth trying to figure out whats wrong? Is there a better way to do what I want to do? |
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| 13:49.38 | et | create debian packages? |
| 13:50.19 | jelly | pom: what's wrong with lighttpd from the distro? |
| 13:50.25 | pom | I couldn't figure that one out. It was a long read and I didn't understand alot of the parts and felt it was out of my reach at this time. |
| 13:50.30 | pom | jelly: It lacks mod_h264 |
| 13:50.50 | pom | otherwise, it's lovely. |
| 13:51.36 | jelly | pom: you may have forgotten to keep the timestamps intact when copying the tree (-p option for scp). Make depends on timestamps to know which parts need to be rebuilt |
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| 13:52.13 | pom | jelly: I actually tar'd it before. |
| 13:52.25 | pom | Not sure how that would affect it though. |
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| 13:56.10 | pom | Anyone care to have a look at the output: http://debian.pastebin.com/m3c47796b |
| 13:56.17 | pom | Maybe it's obvious when you know what to look for. |
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| 13:57.24 | Teaboy`work | pcre.h: No such file or directory ? |
| 13:57.59 | pom | :) |
| 13:58.01 | Teaboy`work | installed pcre? |
| 13:58.06 | pom | No I did, worked. |
| 13:58.07 | pom | Fancy. |
| 13:58.13 | pom | No => now |
| 13:58.18 | Teaboy`work | :) |
| 13:58.24 | pom | It's always the little things. |
| 13:58.32 | Slydder | hey all. am currently working on building a custom mysql server 5.1 package and would like to include a base my.cnf config. how would I go about getting the my.cnf in the package? |
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| 13:59.36 | Slydder | I was thinking an entry in debian/files but if I understand it correctly debian/files is a dynamic file filled during the build process. |
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| 14:00.24 | donatas | Hi. Is it any tool which can show you traffic of user ? For example netflow,sflow collect all traffic, but I need one user. |
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| 14:01.43 | parito | donatas: you can do that on router level with any monitoring software like zabbix/cacti/whatever |
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| 14:04.09 | donatas | parito: :) |
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| 14:04.33 | eshat | Hi all, I am on sid using a Radeon 9200 SE, xorg seems to use the free driver. Will I get much more performance using the properitary driver, and how do I use it ? |
| 14:05.41 | hark | eshat: no |
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| 14:06.29 | eshat | eshat: simply "no" ? That does not answer by "How" question :D |
| 14:06.38 | eshat | *my |
| 14:08.16 | hark | there's no "how" |
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| 14:08.59 | rvsjoen | if the answer to the first question is 'no', do you still want to know the second part ? |
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| 14:09.35 | ngomes | hello |
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| 14:10.08 | ngomes | im a long term slackware user and i want to move to debian , but i have a few doubts , and would like someone to enlight me |
| 14:11.22 | ngomes | my doubt is , if apt-get or whatever can check for installed packages and upgrade those packages that are old to current versions |
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| 14:12.45 | PythonRegius | ngomes: yes |
| 14:12.52 | themill | ngomes: define "old" and "current". |
| 14:14.11 | ngomes | i install samba 2 from cd ... then samba 3 is available ... an apt-get update_all or something would detect my samba 2 on my system an mark it to upgrade to samba 3 as its available ? |
| 14:14.55 | Slydder | as long as the samba 2 was installed with a debian package and you hadn't frozen it then yes. |
| 14:14.57 | themill | ngomes: if you install "stable" then you will stay with the versions that are in that release until the time when you decide to upgrade all package to the next release. |
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| 14:16.12 | Slydder | and of course what themill said. if samba 3 is available for your version of debian. |
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| 14:16.47 | Slydder | am currently working on building a custom mysql server 5.1 package and would like to include a base my.cnf config. how would I go about getting the my.cnf in the package? |
| 14:16.50 | ngomes | but if debian comes with a samba version and a bug is discovered , isnt the package available for upgrade right away ? or i need to wait for next debian release ? |
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| 14:17.41 | Slydder | ngomes: as soon as an new version of the package is available for your version of debian it can be upgraded. |
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| 14:17.56 | yopyop | is that possible to migrate a lenny from 686 to amd64 without reinstall ? |
| 14:18.14 | themill | dpkg: tell ngomes about stable |
| 14:18.43 | themill | ngomes: stable receives bugfixes to really horrid bugs and security updates. It's a stable set of packages with a known set of bugs for you to work around. |
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| 14:19.13 | ngomes | ok i see , stable is lenny codename ? |
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| 14:19.27 | a2f | anyone know the package name of the gdm theme manager? |
| 14:19.39 | themill | yopyop: no. /msg dpkg aptitude clone |
| 14:19.40 | helo | yopyop: i don't believe so |
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| 14:20.44 | themill | Slydder: if you can do your configuration just by dropping extra files into /etc/mysql/conf.d/ (and you almost certainly can achieve what you want) then that's your easiest approach |
| 14:21.33 | Slydder | themill: that is what I want to do. the problem is I don't know how to get them into the package when I do a debuild. |
| 14:22.27 | Slydder | adding the move/cp to the postinst script is not the problem. I just don't know how to get the damned thing into the package. |
| 14:22.35 | Slydder | have been searching for hours. |
| 14:22.39 | themill | Slydder: easiest way is probably to modify debian/rules to copy the file in. If the package is using debhelper then there will be .install files that can do it for you too. Some reading might help.... /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 14:27.44 | Slydder | themill: like I said. adding the copy/move command to postinst.debhelper script or the postinst script is not a problem. just not knowing where in the directory structure I should place the config file so that it gets added to the package is not exactly clear. |
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| 14:28.53 | Eagle[TM] | just wondering: is the security team working on bind and openssl updates or have I just missed seeing them on advisory list? |
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| 14:36.48 | jelly | Eagle[TM]: why not ask them? #debian-security on irc.debian.org! |
| 14:37.04 | jelly | !tracker of doom |
| 14:37.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences |
| 14:37.27 | jelly | Eagle[TM]: check the tracker beforehand |
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| 14:44.48 | canolucas | is there a way to find and list directory names? |
| 14:44.56 | PythonRegius | yes |
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| 14:46.15 | canolucas | how? |
| 14:46.30 | PythonRegius | in bash? |
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| 14:47.30 | nkuttler | canolucas: man find |
| 14:47.39 | canolucas | PythonRegius: yes (find all directories by an specific name) |
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| 14:48.02 | canolucas | nkuttler: already did that |
| 14:48.15 | PythonRegius | see -type and -name |
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| 14:50.23 | canolucas | thanks a lot |
| 14:51.00 | zeitsofa | hello :) - i like to setup a more complex ssh login setup. so i try to modify /etc/security/access.conf and add the follow line "+:root:127.0.0.1". but root can be log in from all over the world not only from localhost. anyone knows whats wrong? |
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| 14:51.51 | rvalles | zeitsofa: probably the default is to "allow" |
| 14:52.14 | rvalles | zeitsofa: and you need a line to *deny* root from everywhere else. |
| 14:53.05 | zeitsofa | rvalles: -:root:ALL EXCEPT LOCAL ? |
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| 14:54.12 | zeitsofa | rvalles: thx it works with - :root : ALL EXCEPT 127.0.0.1 |
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| 14:54.30 | rvalles | zeitsofa: np ;) |
| 14:54.46 | lasheimok | Hi all :) |
| 14:54.48 | lasheimok | Any idea why gnome-shell wouldn't work on my computer? |
| 14:55.11 | lasheimok | It has a frame rate of one frame in two seconds. |
| 14:55.35 | lasheimok | Compiz runs fine, and it works smooth in a virtual machine running other distros. |
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| 14:55.51 | lasheimok | I tried both jhbuild and the debian package. Same. |
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| 14:57.57 | lasheimok | Graphic card is intel 915GM/GMS/910MGL |
| 14:58.05 | jelly | judd: versions icedove |
| 14:58.06 | judd | jelly: icedove -- etch: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 etch-security: 1.5.0.13+1.5.0.15b.dfsg1+prepatch080614i-0etch1 lenny: 2.0.0.19-1 lenny-security: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1 squeeze: 2.0.0.22-0lenny1 sid: 2.0.0.22-1.1 |
| 14:58.33 | jelly | Y NO ICEDOVE 3 IN DEBIAN?!?!?!? |
| 14:59.10 | jelly | Thunderbird 3 has been more than two... hours... ago! |
| 14:59.16 | jelly | released* |
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| 14:59.33 | abrotman | lasheimok: did you check your gnome session error file ? |
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| 14:59.43 | abrotman | jelly: because the xulrunner DD isn't a DD anymore ? |
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| 15:00.08 | jelly | abrotman: did they quit or were they fired? |
| 15:00.24 | abrotman | hrm .. doesn't depend on xulrunner |
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| 15:00.34 | jelly | rly? |
| 15:00.53 | abrotman | i thought it would for the rendering .. oh well |
| 15:01.04 | lasheimok | abrotman: did not |
| 15:01.25 | abrotman | or the interface .. whatever |
| 15:01.30 | yopyop | lasheimok : only your shell is slow ? cause i can't make lenny works fine with i910 graphic chip |
| 15:01.40 | abrotman | lasheimok: might be a place to look |
| 15:01.45 | PythonRegius | say, does this channel need a troll? |
| 15:01.49 | abrotman | yopyop: your should work fine |
| 15:02.04 | abrotman | PythonRegius: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 15:02.10 | jelly | PythonRegius: ya, go ahead, I'm a bit too busy |
| 15:02.11 | PythonRegius | is there a troll package in debian? |
| 15:02.16 | abrotman | PythonRegius: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 15:02.24 | lasheimok | yopyop: everything else works fine. |
| 15:02.29 | lasheimok | It's squeeze, though. |
| 15:02.53 | PythonRegius | abrotman: when will squeeze release? |
| 15:02.58 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 15:02.58 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be released in mid 2010 with a <freeze> starting in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel>. |
| 15:03.00 | lasheimok | abrotman: Where do I find that gnome session error file?? |
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| 15:03.13 | abrotman | lasheimok: it used to be ~/.gnome-errors |
| 15:03.13 | PythonRegius | abrotman: how do i get my troll package into debian? |
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| 15:03.44 | Titan8990_ | troll package? |
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| 15:04.07 | eshat | Simple Question: how Do I make X use the nvidia-glx driver instead of nv, without a xorg.xonf ??? |
| 15:04.29 | jelly | eshat: you can't? |
| 15:04.48 | eshat | jelly: is that a question ? |
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| 15:05.11 | jelly | eshat: no. |
| 15:05.26 | lasheimok | abrotman: no such file |
| 15:05.37 | lasheimok | But this is coming up twice on stderr: |
| 15:05.39 | lasheimok | WARNING: Application calling GLX 1.3 function "glXCreatePixmap" when GLX 1.3 is not supported! This is an application bug! |
| 15:06.00 | eshat | jelly: then why do you put a question mark... however, do I have to genrate an xorg.conf by nvidia-settings ? |
| 15:06.08 | lasheimok | s/stderr/console/ |
| 15:06.29 | abrotman | lasheimok: oh, i think it's the "gnome is only half in squeeze" issue |
| 15:06.41 | lasheimok | what's that? |
| 15:06.47 | jelly | eshat: an xorg.conf generated by X -configure and driver changed would probably work as well |
| 15:06.53 | abrotman | thought that was pretty self explanatory ... |
| 15:06.59 | Titan8990_ | eshat, nvidia-xconfig |
| 15:07.08 | eshat | jelly: i ll try that... thanks |
| 15:07.28 | eshat | Titan8990_: thanks, i used that before, or should i prefere this over X -configure |
| 15:07.33 | lasheimok | abrotman: Which part is missing? |
| 15:08.03 | Titan8990_ | eshat, if you don't want to manually edit xorg.conf, you should use nvidia-xconfig |
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| 15:08.57 | eshat | Titan8990_: okay, thank you |
| 15:09.22 | abrotman | lasheimok: last i knew, the new gnome-session hadn't made it to squeeze yet |
| 15:09.27 | abrotman | judd: versions gnome-session |
| 15:09.28 | judd | abrotman: gnome-session -- etch: 2.14.3-5 lenny: 2.22.3-2 squeeze: 2.26.2-1 sid: 2.28.0-4 squeeze: 2.28.0-4 |
| 15:10.01 | lasheimok | 2.28 is quite new. |
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| 15:10.57 | lasheimok | Some packages are old indeed, but I can't tell which of them would be related to GLX warnings. |
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| 15:17.12 | CodeNinja | does anyone know if you can get evolution to send dbus messages or something similar when a message passes through the message filters? if so, how? |
| 15:17.15 | xxtjaxx | Ok Ok Guys I did a really really dumb thing and updated a lenny to sid now the x is broke saing no screens any Idea? |
| 15:17.19 | en1gma | when i installed debian stable from dvd iso....i currently had a win vista system on a 2 sata drive raid0 using nf4 fake raid......i did upgrade to squeeze and grub is acting funny |
| 15:17.38 | en1gma | i have to take the root=uuid etc......and make it root=/dev/sda1 |
| 15:17.39 | xxtjaxx | CodeNinja: preferences notification? |
| 15:17.57 | en1gma | can someone tell me how to fix this so i dont ahve to disable my sata drives to get this to work |
| 15:18.04 | CodeNinja | xxtjaxx: hm? |
| 15:18.09 | en1gma | debian squeeze was installed to a USB HDD |
| 15:18.15 | abrotman | lasheimok: you're using squeeze .. nto sid |
| 15:18.33 | xxtjaxx | CodeNinja: where else than in its settings you think it could be huh? |
| 15:18.36 | abrotman | CodeNinja: there is a #evolution on irc.gnome.org |
| 15:18.37 | xxtjaxx | :) |
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| 15:19.06 | CodeNinja | xxtjaxx: re your problem also: you probably need to reconfigure x, theres an xorg configuration builder, can't remember the name, but you need to run that |
| 15:19.07 | lasheimok | abrotman: dpkg -l gnome-session |
| 15:19.14 | lasheimok | 2.28.0-4 |
| 15:19.25 | CodeNinja | abrotman: ah, thats where evolution is, no wonder the one here on freenode is dead :P |
| 15:19.30 | xxtjaxx | CodeNinja: Oh fuck me... |
| 15:20.15 | lasheimok | abrotman: In the list above squeeze is mentioned twice. Once with 2.26, once with 2.28. Dunno why. |
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| 15:20.51 | xxtjaxx | CodeNinja: you really dont remember? |
| 15:21.19 | CodeNinja | xxtjaxx: yeah, indeed.... I had to deal with it with my wifes computer a few weeks ago, I'm checking to see if I can find the command |
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| 15:22.10 | BlackFate_ | i got gcc updates to 4.4 .. is it safe now to remove 4.3? using debian sid |
| 15:22.42 | CodeNinja | xxtjaxx: I looked in the command history, I didn't see it, ask #xorg |
| 15:22.45 | xxtjaxx | CodeNinja: Dont ya think that Wifes Machines get stable release updates only? |
| 15:22.48 | jandro | I just installed a package called lemurae, which searchs the DRAE spanish dictionary online (package that belongs to a debian based distro called guadalinex). Anyway, I have no mayor trouble installing and works fine, but when doing "apt-get ugprade" it keeps complaining about unmet dependency, since it depends on python-gnome2-extras (not existing in Squeeze). How can I shut up apt-get? |
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| 15:23.24 | CodeNinja | xxtjaxx: her laptop screen went -boom- so I had to reconfigure xorg to use an external screen, but the issue with it saying 'no screens' was the initiation point |
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| 15:27.42 | xxtjaxx | CodeNinja: xvidtune no? |
| 15:28.03 | cantido | BlackFate_: they can co-exist.. I think you need 4.3 to build packages still |
| 15:28.25 | BlackFate_ | cantido, thnx :) |
| 15:28.33 | CodeNinja | xxtjaxx: no.. it was an Xorg command... you may be able to dpkg-reconfigure xorg<I don't remember the rest> |
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| 15:35.00 | rerushg | Good morning. Anybody got a few minutes to help me understand some rkhunter warnings? |
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| 15:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | rerushg: How likely is it that you have actually been rooted? |
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| 15:39.00 | rerushg | probably none (I think)... but "Application 'exim', version '4.69', is out of date, and possibly a security risk" confuses me since it seems to be current (running testing/686/KDE4) |
| 15:39.47 | Titan8990_ | rerushg, you shouldn't run testing on something you want to be secure or stable |
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| 15:41.17 | rerushg | Titan8990: understand... just don't understand the message.... being running testing for months no problem |
| 15:41.30 | rerushg | *been* |
| 15:41.41 | Titan8990_ | yep, that must mean that its perfectly fine |
| 15:42.14 | Titan8990_ | in fact, I don't know why people bother running stable.... its not like things happen to squeeze like the mysql-server package *missing* for days |
| 15:42.35 | Titan8990_ | who cares that it doesn't get patches from the security repos |
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| 15:43.02 | nsadmin | rerushg: so, do you want security? or, why are you caring about the warnings? |
| 15:43.36 | nsadmin | some observers are guessing no, since you're running testing |
| 15:43.56 | rerushg | Titan8990: think so too.... but I also have an issue with "apt-get autoremove" wanting to wipe out all things KDE so I'm thinkg the problem might be with apt. |
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| 15:44.20 | nsadmin | ohh, mixture. |
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| 15:44.51 | rerushg | nsadmin: it's a home box so security is not critical.... just trying to understand and maintain a happy box... :) |
| 15:45.34 | nsadmin | oh, ok, so it's curiousity driving your questions |
| 15:45.58 | rerushg | nsadmin: that's a fair statement. |
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| 15:46.53 | nsadmin | one thing you can do is feed the exact text of each message to google |
| 15:47.48 | rerushg | nsadmin: good idea.... I'll give that a whirl.... thanks |
| 15:49.00 | craigevil | rerushg: its a bug in the rkhunter db |
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| 15:49.10 | d1b | nsadmin: don't put exact :P |
| 15:49.36 | nsadmin | d1b: why not? iy' |
| 15:49.41 | nsadmin | it's just text |
| 15:49.52 | d1b | rerushg: if you want to use something nicer than exim, i suggest postfix :P |
| 15:49.55 | nsadmin | and it could be indexed |
| 15:50.01 | d1b | nsadmin: well sometimes you get the " " etc. |
| 15:50.06 | d1b | so you should note to remove that stuff. |
| 15:50.35 | d1b | more aimed at rerushg . |
| 15:50.38 | rerushg | craigevil: noted... thanks |
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| 15:51.01 | craigevil | rerushg: the autoremove is probably because kde is/was broken in testing and if you have done a dist-upgrade lately some things were removed |
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| 15:51.21 | rerushg | dib: exact gives some good results.... checking them now |
| 15:51.35 | themill | rerushg: you possibly need to tell aptitude to reinstall one of the kde metapackages. /msg dpkg install kde4 |
| 15:51.36 | d1b | good :P |
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| 15:52.31 | paissad-hp | how can i solve this matter when i run aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 15:52.31 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.fr/6237 |
| 15:53.05 | rerushg | craigevil: understood... it was a dist-upgrade but months ago... no problem til lately.... seems to be related to installation of some GTK apps as if APT thinks I'm a gnome system. |
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| 15:54.01 | rerushg | themill: good idea... thanks. |
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| 15:54.07 | d1b | rerushg: apt should think you are on a debian system :P |
| 15:54.13 | fireba11 | hi |
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| 15:54.19 | nsadmin | paissad-hp: looks like lame is the root cause... try removing it |
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| 15:54.36 | nsadmin | oh, how would I convert mp3s to wavs? lame? |
| 15:54.42 | fireba11 | are kernel messages like that "normal"? Dec 6 09:45:19 spider kernel: out of order segment: rcv_next 56AF92F9 seq 56AF9442 - 56AF9443 |
| 15:54.45 | fireba11 | Dec 6 09:45:19 spider kernel: ofo requeuing : rcv_next 56AF9442 seq 56AF9442 - 56AF9443 |
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| 15:54.51 | d1b | nsadmin: don't :P |
| 15:54.56 | d1b | use faac/faad |
| 15:55.03 | paissad-hp | nsadmin, oh no no i need lame :s |
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| 15:55.11 | paissad-hp | nsadmin, i just installed it |
| 15:55.26 | d1b | paissad-hp: what's wrong with using aac ? |
| 15:55.30 | d1b | for encoding. |
| 15:55.33 | rerushg | d1b: <chuckle> I think APT understands that part... confusion seems to be with KDE... :) |
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| 15:55.52 | nsadmin | paissad-hp try removing temporarily, dpkg --configure --pending, then install it again |
| 15:56.01 | paissad-hp | d1b, some apps i use need lame such as mencoder or ffmpeg |
| 15:56.18 | d1b | paissad-hp: yes..... |
| 15:56.36 | d1b | decoding is normally fine without lame, lame is only needed for encoding really. |
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| 15:57.14 | smellynoser | Is there a setting I can change to fix /bin/rm: Argument list too long |
| 15:57.40 | nsadmin | smellynoser: shorten the arg list |
| 15:57.40 | d1b | smellynoser: how many files are you deleting? |
| 15:58.30 | themill | smellynoser: use xargs and/or find instead or just rm |
| 15:58.32 | smellynoser | d1b: there's only 13897 |
| 15:58.40 | themill | "only" :) |
| 15:58.43 | smellynoser | Google gave me this find . -name 'spam-*' | xargs rm |
| 15:58.46 | smellynoser | I'll try that |
| 15:58.49 | paissad-hp | d1b, i'm encoding some files indeed |
| 15:59.02 | d1b | paissad-hp: meh, i normally use aac :P |
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| 15:59.10 | nsadmin | are they all in the same dir? you're doing rm *? |
| 15:59.16 | jhutchins_lt | Why would you pipe find to xargs instead of using -exec? |
| 15:59.22 | cantido | paissad-hp: lame is in debian-multimedia |
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| 15:59.25 | themill | smellynoser: that command is fine as long as you can promise there are no special characters like spaces, &, ? * etc in the filenames. |
| 15:59.27 | paissad-hp | d1b, aac for just audio music files for mp3 ? |
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| 15:59.37 | smellynoser | jhutchins_lt: Because google said so :P |
| 15:59.40 | d1b | paissad-hp: aac for my audio files and or ogg |
| 15:59.43 | smellynoser | themill: Tis ok, they're just boring names |
| 15:59.49 | smellynoser | Thanks for your handy and fast help guys |
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| 16:00.04 | d1b | smellynoser: find . -exec rm {} ;/ isn't it ? |
| 16:00.04 | jhutchins_lt | That's like cat <file> | grep |
| 16:00.05 | cantido | flac FTW! |
| 16:00.05 | themill | smellynoser: you might like to look at the -delete option to find though. /msg dpkg using find |
| 16:00.22 | jhutchins_lt | -exec rm {} \; |
| 16:00.24 | d1b | (note done in the dir you are deleting files from) |
| 16:00.43 | d1b | and probably but an echo on the front just to be safe before yo urun it (then remove the echo) |
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| 16:00.48 | jhutchins_lt | \ is escape, ; is end-of-command when escaped. |
| 16:01.26 | nsadmin | end-of-find-expressions |
| 16:01.40 | jhutchins_lt | nsadmin: end-of-exec-commands |
| 16:01.42 | nsadmin | it's end-of-shell-command when not |
| 16:01.53 | nsadmin | oh you're right |
| 16:02.01 | d1b | !oneup |
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| 16:03.41 | jhutchins_lt | smellynoser: piping find to xargs, like piping cat to grep, is one of those things that make perfect sense and get widely propagated until someone says "why do you need to bother with that?". |
| 16:03.55 | themill | -exec rm is in the same category fwiw |
| 16:04.12 | smellynoser | jhutchins_lt: I always do cat classes/page.inc | grep function |
| 16:04.38 | d1b | smellynoser: just grep and not cat | :P |
| 16:04.42 | jhutchins_lt | smellynoser: You could juts grep function classes/page.inc |
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| 16:04.50 | jhutchins_lt | just even. |
| 16:04.54 | d1b | grep "WHATIWANT" WHEREIWANTIT |
| 16:04.55 | themill | and -exec rm {} \; is *definitely* in that category and is *very* slow. |
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| 16:05.00 | smellynoser | How nice is that |
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| 16:05.22 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Is xargs faster? |
| 16:05.26 | smellynoser | Just did it and it's mucho betterer |
| 16:05.32 | nsadmin | well the cat ... | ... is a general form for which grep ... ... is an exception |
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| 16:06.36 | nsadmin | and perhaps this exception executes faster |
| 16:06.56 | d1b | nsadmin: i doubt it |
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| 16:08.09 | themill | jhutchins_lt: very much so... with -exec ... \; you are forking a process for each and ever delete. See for yourself: http://pastebin.ca/1708408 |
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| 16:08.18 | nsadmin | well let's see.. one is, load cat, establish plumbing, load grep, establish plumbing, run them |
| 16:08.31 | nsadmin | the other is load grep, run it |
| 16:09.00 | nsadmin | so it's a little more efficient at least at the beginning |
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| 16:10.13 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Yet another reason I love Debian - people who know more than me! |
| 16:10.46 | jhutchins_lt | shambles off to read some man pages. |
| 16:10.49 | themill | :) |
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| 16:11.05 | nsadmin | oh, and the other is actually load grep, establish plumbing (to stdin/out/err), run it |
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| 16:23.31 | mederEsite | i can ssh to domain.com fine with meder/password1, however if i svn co svn+ssh://domain.com/home/svnroot/projects it asks for pass but the login doesn't work |
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| 16:23.43 | mederEsite | only reason I can think of, is that I'm sshing to a different server |
| 16:24.31 | themill | mederEsite: you probably need to specify what login name svn+ssh should use. |
| 16:24.39 | mederEsite | meder@domain.com ? |
| 16:24.47 | mederEsite | the thing is |
| 16:24.56 | mederEsite | the PROMPT shows the correct username |
| 16:25.01 | mederEsite | meder@domain.com: password |
| 16:25.08 | mederEsite | that IS the correct domain AND user, no typos, I'm sure |
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| 16:26.08 | themill | mederEsite: are you sure that it doesn't work? svn+ssh frequently asks for your ssh password multiple times to complete things. (personally, I always use it with a key otherwise it's too annoying) |
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| 16:26.29 | mederEsite | oh |
| 16:26.30 | mederEsite | fuck.. |
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| 16:28.40 | asaleem | how do I check whick package provides a file? |
| 16:29.19 | abrotman | !tell asaleem about search |
| 16:29.33 | hagabaka | !tell me about search |
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| 16:30.14 | asaleem | abrotman, say I need make utility, how would I know which package would provide it |
| 16:30.24 | abrotman | !tell asaleem about search |
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| 16:31.17 | themill | asaleem: such utilities already exist.... dpkg and dlocate can both do it |
| 16:31.42 | themill | (and apt-file) |
| 16:32.13 | asaleem | themill, how would I do that with dpkg? any example? |
| 16:32.22 | asaleem | themill, or apt-file |
| 16:32.37 | themill | dpkg: tell asaleem about search |
| 16:32.45 | hagabaka | read the man page? |
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| 16:32.53 | themill | asaleem: seriously... read what dpkg has told you 3 times now. There's an example and everything. |
| 16:33.11 | themill | asaleem: also /msg dpkg apt-file ; /msg dpkg dlocate |
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| 16:34.09 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Regarding our earlier exercise: It would seem that both xargs and -exec ... + would end up with the "too many arguments" error we were trying to avoid. |
| 16:34.33 | themill | jhutchins_lt: no, they are specifically designed to solve that problem |
| 16:34.48 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. |
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| 16:37.17 | knoxy | Hi all.. how can I do to search the libpangocairo1.0.0 to debian sarge? I need this package to run libflashplayer for firefox2... |
| 16:37.53 | Titan8990_ | knoxy, your running sarge on a desktop system? |
| 16:38.07 | knoxy | Titan8990_, yes.. |
| 16:38.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins_lt, perhaps you have... "less arguments" than others? |
| 16:38.15 | abrotman | you're |
| 16:38.19 | knoxy | workstations in my company |
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| 16:38.25 | knoxy | is running sarge |
| 16:38.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, "mom"? |
| 16:38.31 | knoxy | all workstations |
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| 16:38.54 | Titan8990_ | lol i think thats the 2nd time this week he has corrected my your/you're usage |
| 16:39.01 | abrotman | knoxy: you shouldn't be running sarge anywhere |
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| 16:40.01 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Sometimes you have compelling resons not to upgrade. |
| 16:40.13 | Titan8990_ | abrotman, how long is a debian release actually supported? |
| 16:40.13 | knoxy | abrotman, why? this machines access rdesktop and firefox only |
| 16:40.38 | abrotman | Titan8990_: about a year after the following release has been the current timeframe |
| 16:40.50 | themill | knoxy: that's a rather old and vulnerable version of firefox. Doesn't that worry you? |
| 16:40.51 | abrotman | knoxy: yes .. and your firefox is from like 2006 ? |
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| 16:41.07 | Titan8990_ | knoxy, hehe, do you really want your users to have flash? you may watch your work efficiency drop because everyone is watching youtube |
| 16:41.14 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: and sometimes you shouldn't be allowed to be the admin .. |
| 16:41.48 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: i'm not arguing your point .. but seriously .. it's been like three years at this point |
| 16:41.54 | knoxy | Titan8990_, the website of company (default page) is using flash... |
| 16:42.13 | knoxy | themill, the newer versions not runs in sarge |
| 16:42.39 | abrotman | knoxy: which version of flash are you trying to make work ? |
| 16:42.42 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: For instance, a company I worked for had some inhereted software that we did not have the manpower to properly test on an updated release, so we continued to distribute it on an older release. The environment was always secure, so security wasn't actually an issue. |
| 16:42.48 | knoxy | abrotman, 10 |
| 16:42.48 | RichiH | i know i asked this alrady, but how do i mount a partition in an image file which has several partitions in it? |
| 16:43.08 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: Mind you that does not seem to be the case here. |
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| 16:45.27 | knoxy | jhutchins_lt, sarge is very stable and customized to my company... :/ |
| 16:45.50 | d1b | knoxy: sarge isn't supported. |
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| 16:46.13 | knoxy | d1b, flashplayer in ff? |
| 16:46.24 | d1b | !sarge |
| 16:46.25 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for Debian version 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 16:46.41 | knoxy | I'll try to run a older version of flashplayer |
| 16:46.54 | d1b | knoxy: you have 0 security then |
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| 16:47.22 | jhutchins_lt | knoxy: The endless tension: Adobe wants you to constantly upgrade, your company wants to stay with the tried and true. |
| 16:47.45 | d1b | knoxy: any old version of flash has many many flaws. |
| 16:47.54 | jhutchins_lt | knoxy: Flash 10 will have "features" your developers "must" have. |
| 16:48.01 | d1b | jhutchins_lt: lol. |
| 16:48.10 | maligor | d1b, what makes you think the latest has any less? |
| 16:48.22 | d1b | maligor: i didn't say that :P |
| 16:48.37 | d1b | just the ones that are patched, hopefully stay patched. |
| 16:48.41 | jhutchins_lt | Companies want to treat software like file cabinets. Buy it once. What do you mean, "upgrade"? |
| 16:50.54 | JPT | as long as the product is worth its money, there shouldn't be a problem |
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| 16:52.25 | d1b | anyways, knoxy you are strongly encouraged to upgrade. |
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| 16:53.19 | d1b | *strongly* :P |
| 16:54.50 | maligor | yeah, using old adobe software is a scary prospect |
| 16:55.04 | maligor | considering their .. history |
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| 16:56.28 | d1b | maligor: apparently they use openbsd for the firewalls :P |
| 16:56.33 | abrotman | knoxy: that's crazy talk |
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| 16:56.51 | abrotman | knoxy: you're talking about a FF with *tons* of security issues .. |
| 16:57.02 | d1b | got r00t. |
| 16:57.02 | maligor | d1b, no wonder adobe reader is so big.. if they embed openbsd in it |
| 16:57.18 | zinx | maligor: that does explain some things |
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| 17:02.38 | refreshFSN | is it possible that someone copypastes their testing sources.list? i messed up something and i need basic sources.list now. googling for it gives me already edited lists |
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| 17:03.34 | d1b | !sources |
| 17:03.34 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 17:04.43 | abrotman | refreshFSN: you paste yours .. we'll fix them |
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| 17:05.08 | refreshFSN | ok, np |
| 17:05.18 | themill | refreshFSN: there is no "default" sources.list. man 5 sources.list is as close as it comes... |
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| 17:06.53 | refreshFSN | i wanted to switch from stable to testing by editing sources.list and chanching lenny to squeeze |
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| 17:07.08 | refreshFSN | and now when i apt-get update i get 404 |
| 17:07.13 | [Broken]Ninja | compiz crashed... any idea how I can get metacity started to start compiz again? |
| 17:07.14 | abrotman | are you going to paste them or not ? |
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| 17:08.08 | d1b | [Broken]Ninja: metacity --replace & |
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| 17:08.45 | refreshFSN | http://pastebin.ca/1708468 |
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| 17:16.06 | cire | I have a router, but don't know his IP. But I know the adapter's MAC. May I ask "who has <MAC>" somehow? |
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| 17:16.32 | d1b | cire: arp |
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| 17:16.48 | jmoncayo | hi guys, maybe someone in here uses kayako? |
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| 17:17.26 | cire | d1b: as far as I know, arp knows the IP when there was some kind of communication. Isn't that right? |
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| 17:18.59 | varlon | hi, what kind of netinst cd image I must download, if I have notebook with 'AMD Athlon x2 dual core QL-65'. I downloaded amd64 imge, but kernel can boot - got some register error |
| 17:20.07 | nsadmin | can boot |
| 17:20.10 | nsadmin | ? |
| 17:20.18 | varlon | yes |
| 17:20.27 | iceroot | varlon: less then 4GB ram, use i386 |
| 17:20.30 | nsadmin | ok, so the kernel can boot. what's the problem? |
| 17:20.35 | themill | refreshFSN: there is no testing/updates at present, but leaving that line does no harm. There is no testing/volatile as that doesn't make sense -- testing is already volatile. There is no testing-backports either as backports are packages that are *in* testing being recompiled for stable, so that line doesn't make sense. |
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| 17:20.40 | varlon | oh |
| 17:20.50 | varlon | thanks |
| 17:20.55 | iceroot | varlon: you mean, cant boot |
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| 17:21.11 | varlon | * I mean - can't boot |
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| 17:21.13 | nsadmin | or, "can not boot" |
| 17:21.18 | varlon | can not |
| 17:21.19 | Teaboy | cannot :) |
| 17:21.21 | refreshFSN | themill: so i can delete testing/volatile lines? |
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| 17:21.43 | themill | refreshFSN: yes. And backports.org |
| 17:21.56 | refreshFSN | ok, thanks themill! |
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| 17:22.58 | nsadmin | argh. lost my scrollback.. how to convert from mp3 to wav (again)? |
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| 17:23.12 | nsadmin | can lame do it? |
| 17:23.31 | d1b | nsadmin: that wasn't answered :P |
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| 17:23.34 | d1b | i don't think. |
| 17:23.42 | d1b | mencoder i think should be able to do it / vlc. |
| 17:23.43 | d1b | etc. |
| 17:24.31 | refreshFSN | whats the point of converting mp3 to wav? |
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| 17:26.34 | cahoot | nsadmin: ecasound -i my.mpr -o my.wav |
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| 17:28.46 | alnr | having an exim4 problem, running invoke-rc.d exim4 reload it does not seem to pick up any changes i make to /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated (via update-exim4.conf) even though it says its reloading the configuration. any ideas where this might be breaking down? |
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| 17:29.33 | nsadmin | got it; it's converting now |
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| 17:30.09 | sdfffs | after changing *anything* in the 'Keyboard Preferences' (e.g., say I added another layout), changes will not be in effect after a reboot. I'm pretty sure this is a bug - I've experienced this with two computers with a fresh Lenny install |
| 17:30.16 | jhutchins_lt | refreshFSN: wav format is generally the one used for CD's to be playable in music-only players. |
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| 17:31.16 | refreshFSN | yeah i know that, but its just that thats trnascoding and ripping community frawns upon that :) |
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| 17:31.26 | refreshFSN | transcoding* |
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| 17:33.21 | jhutchins_lt | ? |
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| 17:35.43 | d1b | jhutchins_lt: converting from mp3 -> wave. |
| 17:35.46 | d1b | transcoding |
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| 17:38.42 | nsadmin | argh. ok, xcdroast doesn't seem to do audio tracks... what (cli or gui) tool does? |
| 17:39.09 | themill | k3b certainly does and will do the wav conversion for you automagically too |
| 17:39.22 | nsadmin | ahh, did the wavs already |
| 17:39.28 | nsadmin | conversions that is |
| 17:39.34 | cahoot | wodim |
| 17:39.37 | d1b | \0/ |
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| 17:43.49 | jhutchins_lt | themill: For burning an audio CD? Of course, and it's still transcoding, and I don't know why it would bother anybody that it needed to be done, unless you were complaining that you shouldn't be sourcing lossless formats from lossy ones, in which case if it's what you have, cope. |
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| 17:44.31 | themill | jhutchins_lt: perhaps you meant that for refreshFSN |
| 17:44.46 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Perhaps I did. |
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| 17:45.37 | jhutchins_lt | ... or for whoever the "ripping community" would be. |
| 17:45.47 | pankaj | hello. a quick question. what manual to read for driver installation? |
| 17:46.15 | refreshFSN | jhutchins_lt: you just took me too serious |
| 17:46.20 | jhutchins_lt | pankaj: What driver? |
| 17:46.26 | pankaj | wireless lan |
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| 17:46.55 | pankaj | i need to install a wireless lan driver. so i would like to know the procedure for that |
| 17:46.59 | jhutchins_lt | pankaj: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 17:47.11 | pankaj | thanks jhutchins |
| 17:47.27 | jhutchins_lt | pankaj: /msg dpkg wifi for a wealth of info. |
| 17:48.18 | pankaj | jhutchins: ok will try that |
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| 17:49.04 | pankaj | also jhutchins: how do i view all the drivers on my system? |
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| 17:51.41 | timahvo1 | pankaj: lsmod ? |
| 17:52.27 | pankaj | timahvo1: trying to find the name of the driver of my wlan card |
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| 17:52.34 | pankaj | ok got it ipw2200 |
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| 17:53.28 | timahvo1 | lspci -nn -vv|grep -i network + google is a start |
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| 17:55.06 | timahvo1 | pankaj: or if you have lshw installed lswh -C network |
| 17:55.16 | timahvo1 | lshw* |
| 17:55.29 | pankaj | timahvo1: thanks. any idea 5.0.3 is etch or squeeze? |
| 17:56.24 | jhutchins_lt | pankaj: lsmod will list the loaded driers, lspci & lshw as timahvo1 says to detect hardware. (dpkg has info on "what's my wireless".) |
| 17:56.25 | timahvo1 | pretty new to debian myself but isn't 5.0.# lenny ? |
| 17:56.49 | Kvant | it is |
| 17:56.58 | timahvo1 | thought so |
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| 17:57.27 | pankaj | timahvo1: sorry. ok. trying to install lshw now |
| 17:58.22 | jhutchins_lt | pankaj: I thought you already figured it was an ipw2200? |
| 17:58.58 | pankaj | yes. i did. but learning about the other commands. lspci seems to be more helpful in identifying names of pci drivers |
| 17:59.21 | ehnvis | lspci usually shows all you need |
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| 17:59.45 | pankaj | true. its well detailed. |
| 17:59.48 | jhutchins_lt | pankaj: Probably best to distinguish between drivers (software to control hardware) and devices (hardware itself). |
| 17:59.50 | dutchfish | did anyone notice that outch -d produces inacurate timestamps (coreutils); ie its 7 hours off |
| 18:00.00 | dutchfish | s/outch/touch |
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| 18:00.21 | jhutchins_lt | dutchfish: Let me guess, you are 7 hours off of GMT? |
| 18:00.34 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, no actually +1 |
| 18:00.48 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, that is odd. No, never had that problem with touch. |
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| 18:01.51 | dutchfish | jhutchins_lt, found it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=286201 (known bug) |
| 18:01.53 | pankaj | Add <non-free sources> and install the firmware-ipw2x00 package. ----> any idea whats the non-free sources? |
| 18:02.30 | jhutchins_lt | pankaj: You know I'm going to give you a keyword for the bot, right? |
| 18:03.16 | pankaj | yes |
| 18:03.18 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: tell pankag about non-free |
| 18:03.36 | pankaj | havent gotten it yet |
| 18:03.58 | jhutchins_lt | pankaj: You could always ask it yourself. |
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| 18:04.19 | jhutchins_lt | pankaj: I use bot tags because the bot gets it right every time, while I sometimes typo or mis-remember. |
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| 18:04.21 | d1b | dpkg: look busy |
| 18:04.21 | dpkg | d1b: I give up, what is it? |
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| 18:04.50 | pankaj | dpkg |
| 18:04.55 | pankaj | dpkg wireless lan |
| 18:04.56 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, pankaj |
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| 18:05.15 | pankaj | dpkg man wlan |
| 18:05.15 | dpkg | pankaj: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:05.20 | pankaj | nvm |
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| 18:05.26 | timahvo1 | lol |
| 18:05.29 | jhutchins_lt | pankaj: it knows "wifi" and "non-free" and "non-free sources" |
| 18:05.34 | dutchfish | !tell pankaj about wlan |
| 18:06.16 | pankaj | ah ok! thanks :) |
| 18:06.20 | dutchfish | yw |
| 18:06.32 | pankaj | ok. finally found the firmwares :) |
| 18:06.54 | pankaj | why didnt we just incorporate the firmwares in the debian disc? |
| 18:07.20 | timahvo1 | am guessing coz its non-free |
| 18:07.47 | pankaj | i see |
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| 18:11.24 | laurus | Right now the python package in squeeze is Python version 2.5. I've heard that the python packages is planned to be Python 2.6 by the time squeeze becomes stable. If I install squeeze now, what will happen at the transition point? |
| 18:11.50 | d1b | laurus: python will upgrade.... |
| 18:11.56 | jhutchins_lt | laurus: A black hole will open in the space time continuum and you will be sucked in. |
| 18:12.02 | laurus | Haha |
| 18:12.25 | laurus | d1b, really, alright. It just seems like a major change from one to the other, since there are likely a ton of pieces of the system that will have to change too, right? |
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| 18:12.54 | d1b | laurus: don't worry only fedora broke on my friend last time he tried upgrading python :P |
| 18:13.01 | [Rui] | waves I need some help with Debian on an ARM. |
| 18:13.07 | laurus | Haha okay. |
| 18:13.12 | d1b | [Rui]: mm? |
| 18:13.16 | laurus | Well I think I'll install squeeze this weekend then! |
| 18:13.16 | [Rui] | I've installed it with cdeboostrap on a SmartQ7 device |
| 18:13.20 | [Rui] | now I'm trying to configure X |
| 18:13.24 | [Rui] | and I have problems with tslib |
| 18:13.58 | [Rui] | ts_calibrate appears to work correctly, as ts_test demonstrates, but as I startx the Y axis is inverted |
| 18:14.09 | [Rui] | I tried joining #debian-arm but it appears to be invite only... |
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| 18:14.29 | d1b | [Rui]: shouldn't be... |
| 18:14.31 | laurus | By the by, does anyone know when Python 2.6 will show up in squeeze? |
| 18:14.33 | [Rui] | this doesn't seem to be a problem with permissions as either with root or my user the behaviour is the same |
| 18:14.44 | yangpp | [Rui]: irc.oftc.net #debian-arm |
| 18:14.52 | [Rui] | oh, and I'm using squeeze / arm |
| 18:14.55 | [Rui] | oh... |
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| 18:15.39 | themill | laurus: if we're lucky python2.6 might hit unstable some time before hell freezes over and then the as-yet-unfound migration bugs will have to be fixed before it goes into testing. |
| 18:15.51 | [Rui] | yangpp: thank you, I'll try over there :) |
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| 18:16.08 | laurus | themill, do you think it'll make it into squeeze before the code freeze? |
| 18:17.10 | d1b | [Rui]: laurus hopefully, iirc python 2.6 is a bug fix :P |
| 18:17.11 | themill | laurus: I expect so but there are a number of technical things to solve first and a goodly amount of politics to be played out too. 2.6 is, I believe, destined to be the default python in squeeze |
| 18:17.28 | themill | d1b: hardly, but whatever |
| 18:17.30 | [Rui] | waves by |
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| 18:17.54 | pankaj | ar p mypackage.deb data.tar.gz | tar zx --- does such command exist in debian? |
| 18:18.04 | laurus | themill, thanks for the update |
| 18:18.10 | laurus | :) |
| 18:18.14 | themill | np |
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| 18:22.37 | jelly | pankaj: what are you trying to do? |
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| 18:26.17 | christianp | hi all |
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| 18:26.43 | Eagle[TM] | jelly: thanks for the info about the security tracker! I wasn't reading the chan for a couple of hours :). |
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| 18:27.32 | christianp | a tecnical information: what is the "best-suitable" debian version for Intel Xeon (4x core 2.40 GHz)? is it debian AMD64 correct? |
| 18:27.40 | jelly | Eagle[TM]: no problem, neither was I |
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| 18:28.29 | d1b | christianp: amd64 should be fine. |
| 18:28.44 | dondelelcaro | christianp: if it's a relatively new Xeon, yes. |
| 18:28.44 | christianp | d1b, thanks |
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| 18:29.06 | d1b | yes assuming it has EM64 / 64bit support. |
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| 18:30.31 | researcher11 | I have GNU GRUB Ver 1.97~Beta4. failed to boot. halts with this line [1.877504] usb 3-1: configuration #1 chosen for 1 choice. How can I boot my UBUNTU 9.10 Karmic? |
| 18:30.50 | d1b | !ubuntu |
| 18:30.50 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 18:31.01 | laurus | Blah, Ubuntu |
| 18:31.31 | laurus | !Debian policy |
| 18:31.31 | dpkg | well, policy is the document that defines how debian packages should (and must!) interact with each other and with the user to make sure we have a high-quality, stable distribution. You can find it at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ or in the debian-policy package. Those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimplement it, poorly. See also <best practices> <nmg> <mentors>. |
| 18:32.20 | researcher11 | ok.thanks.bye |
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| 18:32.20 | Gm4n | I have an OS install disk that I want to run off my usb thumbdrive. How can I put it on my thumbdrive and make it bootable? (dd, then fdisk and mark as bootable?) |
| 18:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !usb install |
| 18:32.23 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 18:32.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not as easy as that |
| 18:33.36 | Gm4n | thing is, I'm not putting linux on the drive |
| 18:33.55 | Gm4n | it's getting windows xp. I'm doing the setup from my lenny box |
| 18:34.20 | Gm4n | so things like syslinux.cfg don't exactly apply |
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| 18:34.58 | wvd | So I'm trying to portforward on port 3306 - to my own machine (own mysql database) but this doesn't work: http://codepad.org/mSMzWH6s - any ideas? < Telnetting to my VPS on port 3306 also fails. |
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| 18:36.57 | peterS | wvd: I hate to ask the obvious but do you have NAT working at all? in particular, /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 18:37.39 | wvd | peterS: i don't know, sorry, but I followed some tutorial which didn't state that. |
| 18:38.11 | peterS | wvd: just sayin', port forwarding won't work if packet forwarding itself isn't turned on. try: 'cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward' - if it says 0, that might be your problem |
| 18:38.18 | peterS | wvd: in which case, echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 18:39.30 | peterS | wvd: I don't think the -A INPUT line is needed at all (though it should be harmless) |
| 18:39.44 | wvd | peterS: heh, it returns 0. |
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| 18:40.32 | wvd | peterS: so after the echo 1 > * line, it should work? |
| 18:40.37 | peterS | wvd: try it |
| 18:40.47 | peterS | I don't know if that's your only problem, but it is _a_ problem |
| 18:41.09 | wvd | peterS: does it have to return something? |
| 18:41.22 | wvd | peterS: or if it says nothing it its just fine |
| 18:41.26 | peterS | it'll say nothing |
| 18:41.40 | wvd | k |
| 18:41.47 | wvd | let me telnet on port 3306 from my windows machine |
| 18:41.50 | peterS | the 'cat' command will say 1 afterwards though, if you want to verify that the echo did something |
| 18:41.50 | ajehals | Having a bit of a problem with a box running debian sparc, on boot it sits with the error "unregister_netdevice waiting for eth0 to become free..." so I'm a bit stuck any ideas as to what it might be... If I boot into single user mode everythign works for a while then I get the same error... help? |
| 18:42.00 | wvd | oh right |
| 18:42.45 | laurus | My vlc on Lenny won't play any video files' video, only the audio. Any ideas as to why? |
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| 18:43.03 | wvd | peterS: it returns 1, but telnetting to the VPS still says that the connection could not be made. |
| 18:43.44 | peterS | wvd: so there's more going on. your iptables line indicates that you expect the incoming connection on the eth1 interface. is that actually correct? |
| 18:43.44 | Justin | wvd: what does it say exactly? |
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| 18:44.36 | wvd | Justin: the telnet? |
| 18:44.40 | Justin | yes |
| 18:45.06 | wvd | Justin: It's in dutch.. but just: Trying to create connecton on IP: Can't make a connection with IP on Port. |
| 18:45.30 | peterS | wvd: next thing I'd try is to remove the -A INPUT thing. you can clear out the entire INPUT chain like so: iptables -F INPUT |
| 18:45.31 | wvd | peterS: basically I want to portforward port 3306 so I can access my mysql db from outside my VPS - and they told me I had to this. |
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| 18:46.58 | pankaj | hello. how does 1 extract .deb files? |
| 18:47.07 | Justin | !wayttd pankaj |
| 18:47.07 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, pankaj? |
| 18:47.16 | peterS | pankaj: to install them or just to look at them or...? |
| 18:47.23 | pankaj | install them |
| 18:47.28 | pankaj | its for my wlan |
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| 18:47.42 | peterS | then use dpkg -i |
| 18:47.48 | pankaj | ok |
| 18:47.53 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 18:47.59 | paissad-hp | i have this matter |
| 18:48.01 | paissad-hp | mount -t ext4 /dev/VG_HOME/svn /var/lib/svn/ |
| 18:48.01 | paissad-hp | mount: unknown filesystem type 'ext4' |
| 18:48.15 | wvd | peterS: the iptables -F INPUT returns nothing? |
| 18:48.17 | ajehals | Erm, further info on that issue here: http://pastebin.com/m50c0be2e |
| 18:48.38 | macrobat | paissad-hp: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:48.42 | paissad-hp | uname -r |
| 18:48.42 | paissad-hp | 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 18:48.45 | peterS | wvd: most linux commands return nothing unless they actually need to tell you something. you can look at your iptable state with the two commands 'iptables -nL' and 'iptables -t nat -nL' |
| 18:48.51 | paissad-hp | macrobat, above |
| 18:49.01 | d1b | wvd: iptables -L |
| 18:49.04 | wvd | peterS: should I paste them? |
| 18:49.15 | macrobat | maybe 2.6.26 is too old for ext4 |
| 18:49.22 | peterS | wvd: sure why not |
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| 18:49.31 | jelly | macrobat: it is. use at least 2.6.31. |
| 18:49.34 | macrobat | you can mount ext4 partitions as ext3 if you want |
| 18:49.46 | peterS | paissad-hp: in particular the filesystem is named 'ext4dev' in 2.6.26, to indicate that it is not necessarily safe to use yet |
| 18:49.50 | Titan8990_ | jelly, i thought it was considered stable > .29? |
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| 18:50.15 | d1b | !ext4 |
| 18:50.15 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
| 18:50.21 | paissad-hp | peterS, i saw ext4dev, but i don't trust it enough |
| 18:50.22 | jelly | Titan8990_: I have a couple oopses that say it ain't so |
| 18:50.24 | paissad-hp | "dev" |
| 18:50.37 | Titan8990_ | jelly, yeah... but "officially" |
| 18:50.43 | peterS | paissad-hp: that's the right attitude. anyway, yeah, upgrade to a newer kernel if you want production quality ext4 |
| 18:50.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | wvd, how about you describe what exactly you want to do instead of jumping in and asking somewhere from in the middle of some tutorial you read? |
| 18:50.58 | pankaj | archive type not supported |
| 18:51.01 | paissad-hp | peterS, ok thanks |
| 18:51.06 | peterS | CutMeOwnThroat: he did explain, he wants to forward a TCP port. should be a simple enough matter. |
| 18:51.06 | jelly | Titan8990_: "officially", we're not deploying it anywhere serious. |
| 18:51.19 | jelly | Titan8990_: wait another year and try again |
| 18:51.19 | wvd | CutMeOwnThroat: Like I said - I want to portforward on port 3306 so people from outside my VPS can access the mysql db on my VPS. |
| 18:51.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | peterS, I read my backlog - I don't see what he really wants (and if a simple ssh forwarding isn't what he really wants) |
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| 18:52.27 | Justin | wvd: why do you think you need to forward a port to accomplish that? |
| 18:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | and why can't they access it? |
| 18:52.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | <--- slow |
| 18:52.55 | peterS | wvd: wait... are you trying to work around mysql configuration where it only listens for localhost? that is a whole separate deal. I thought you were trying to forward to a separate server |
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| 18:53.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes - if it's on a VPS and it's on an open port... |
| 18:53.15 | wvd | Justin: How would I do that without? |
| 18:53.33 | wvd | peterS: I just need it so, that people from outside the VPS can access the db. |
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| 18:53.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | wvd, why can't they |
| 18:53.57 | peterS | wvd: what I think you want instead is to edit /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 18:54.04 | timahvo1 | pankaj: what archive type (extension) ? |
| 18:54.20 | peterS | wvd: look for 'bind-addresss = 127.0.0.1' and change it to 'bind-address = 0.0.0.0' |
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| 18:55.20 | peterS | wvd: if I'm right, you don't need the iptables stuff at all, and you'll want to remove it ('iptables -t nat -F PREROUTING') |
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| 18:56.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ircopardy |
| 18:56.34 | dpkg | [ircopardy] like jeopardy, only you have to figure out the question someone really wants to ask first and then you're still supposed to answer it |
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| 18:56.42 | jelly | !xyproblem |
| 18:56.42 | dpkg | [xyproblem] people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem |
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| 19:00.30 | paissad-hp | peterS, btw, knowing that i formated my partition with mkfs.ext4 ... do i need to redo it again with a new kernel i should compile in order not to get surprises ? |
| 19:00.35 | paissad-hp | "bugs" |
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| 19:01.41 | jelly | paissad-hp: if a) you don't have any data on the filesystem and b) you plan on using it for production, I suggesting reformatting and using an ext3 fs instead |
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| 19:02.13 | paissad-hp | jelly, ok, i thought that ext4 was better, that's why i planned to use it instead .. |
| 19:02.22 | jelly | well... |
| 19:02.26 | jelly | !better |
| 19:02.27 | dpkg | better is probably a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
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| 19:02.52 | peterS | paissad-hp: yeah don't ask me about ext4, I haven't found the cojones to try it yet, on production data (or even on throwaway data) |
| 19:03.22 | paissad-hp | well, i stay on ext3 ... i have no time enough to compile a new kernel ^__^ |
| 19:03.29 | paissad-hp | thanks anyway |
| 19:03.34 | jelly | paissad-hp: do you like random kernel bugs and filesystems remounted read-only? Then use it. Do you like fsck that takes 50-100 times faster than ext3? Then use it. |
| 19:03.58 | jelly | it's a mixed bag |
| 19:04.04 | paissad-hp | jelly, understood :D |
| 19:04.05 | peterS | paissad-hp: if you do want to try ext4 I'd recommend just pulling down the kernel from unstable, which is at 2.6.32 by now. but sure. |
| 19:04.56 | paissad-hp | i stay on ext3 ... knowing that it's a server i don't want to face bugs |
| 19:04.57 | jelly | that's exactly what we did on the one of two machines running ext4 after it oopsed on 2.6.31. |
| 19:05.18 | jelly | now it's running 2.6.32 and hoping for the best... but it's still just hoping |
| 19:05.24 | greycat | judd says sid's still on 2.6.31 |
| 19:05.24 | judd | greycat: Error: "says" is not a valid command. |
| 19:05.25 | paissad-hp | :) |
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| 19:05.46 | jelly | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 --arch amd64 |
| 19:05.46 | judd | jelly: linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 -- sid: 2.6.32-1 |
| 19:06.10 | greycat | judd, kernels |
| 19:06.12 | judd | greycat: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 19:06.21 | paissad-hp | i'm wise now ^^ |
| 19:06.22 | paissad-hp | mkfs.ext3 -c -j -L svn -t ext4 -v /dev/VG_HOME/svn |
| 19:06.24 | jelly | greycat: it's an incomplete upload the mistakenly ended up in sid because of, I think, a pbuild bug |
| 19:06.33 | paissad-hp | mkfs.ext3 -c -j -L svn -t ext3 -v /dev/VG_HOME/svn |
| 19:06.35 | paissad-hp | * |
| 19:07.01 | jelly | greycat: those -trunk- things go in experimental or the debian-kernel people's own repo (which has been dead for months) |
| 19:07.27 | jelly | greycat: ask me how I know it's incomplete! :-) |
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| 19:07.41 | superlinux | hi all |
| 19:07.45 | jelly | rebooted a server without eth0 support |
| 19:07.57 | superlinux | jelly, hi |
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| 19:08.13 | superlinux | are you good in building software? |
| 19:08.57 | jelly | depends on how much you're offering per hour, superlinux |
| 19:09.00 | superlinux | i get "checking sin ...no" |
| 19:09.15 | greycat | superlinux: install build-essential |
| 19:09.18 | superlinux | i think the math library must be included |
| 19:09.24 | jelly | superlinux: congrats, you can throw the first stone |
| 19:09.28 | superlinux | no it's not about that |
| 19:09.32 | peterS | yeah you have to get the debian option that includes Original Sin |
| 19:09.42 | Spec | I keep seeing entries in my log (logcheck sends 'em to me) regarding ntp. They're of the nature: "kernel time sync status change 0001", or "kernel time sync status change 4001". Are these harmless? What do they mean? |
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| 19:10.00 | superlinux | peterS, what is it? |
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| 19:10.09 | superlinux | LDFLAG? |
| 19:10.10 | peterS | seriously? build-essential |
| 19:10.12 | greycat | superlinux: install build-essential |
| 19:10.21 | superlinux | it's installed! |
| 19:10.31 | greycat | superlinux: then give a more useful problem description |
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| 19:11.31 | peterS | chances are your question has nothing to do with debian and everything to do with building software on unix in general |
| 19:11.45 | superlinux | when i do ./configure i get the that the sine function does not exist. |
| 19:12.04 | greycat | superlinux: then read config.log to see exactly what it did and what error you received. |
| 19:12.08 | jelly | Spec: they're harmless in general. ntpd is trying to do its job. |
| 19:12.16 | superlinux | ok |
| 19:12.19 | greycat | superlinux: if this is YOUR SOFTWARE that YOU WROTE, your test is missing -lm |
| 19:12.38 | superlinux | ok that it |
| 19:13.02 | jhutchins | Spec: Unfortunately, it's not obvious how to train logwatch (or I presume logcheck) to ignore all the things it should ignore. |
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| 19:13.29 | Spec | jhutchins: regular expressions ftw |
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| 19:15.00 | jelly | jhutchins: it's not that hard to stuff regexps in /etc/logcheck/ignore.d.*/local-stuff |
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| 19:17.13 | jhutchins | jelly: Ok, good, I should look at it instead of logwatch then, 'cause logwatch made me give up and just stuff the reports in the trash. |
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| 19:18.54 | jelly | jhutchins: I don't remember logwatch much, only use it on RHEL where it's configured decently by default |
| 19:18.58 | jozefk | anybody here knows something more about virtual hosts? I set up one on my PC and the question is: is it possible to access it from other computer over the Internet? |
| 19:19.08 | jozefk | jelly: you are everywhere :) |
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| 19:19.21 | greycat | jozefk: are you talking about Apache? |
| 19:19.42 | jozefk | yes |
| 19:19.44 | jelly | jozefk: am not |
| 19:19.48 | jozefk | apache2 |
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| 19:20.06 | greycat | jozefk: as long as DNS resolves your virtual host name to your IP address, yes. |
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| 19:20.23 | greycat | jozefk: (and as long as your port 80 is reachable from the public Internet, i.e. not firewalled etc.) |
| 19:20.25 | rincon1 | how do you change screen resolution in a terminal? |
| 19:20.32 | jozefk | i'm using DynDNS |
| 19:20.51 | jozefk | i changed the default port |
| 19:20.59 | jozefk | so it's reachable |
| 19:21.05 | greycat | jozefk: OK, as long as the port apache2 is listening to is reachable from .... |
| 19:21.09 | jozefk | and it's not firewalled |
| 19:22.27 | jozefk | i know I can access my default host but not sure how to do the same with the virtual host |
| 19:22.34 | jelly | rincon1: that means X? |
| 19:22.55 | greycat | jozefk: are you asking how to configure virtual hosts in apache2? |
| 19:22.58 | jelly | rincon1: xrandr |
| 19:23.07 | greycat | jozefk: 'cause the literal answer is "http://your.virtual.host:YOURPORT/" |
| 19:23.07 | jozefk | because I set it up like if I type in sample.com in my browser on PC I 'm getting loaded that page from my PC not from Internet |
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| 19:23.28 | rincon1 | jelly: yes X, i want to set it to 1280x720 |
| 19:23.39 | greycat | jozefk: well, sample.com is not your DynDNS hostname. |
| 19:23.51 | jozefk | and it works. the question is how can other people access the same page from their PCs over Internet? |
| 19:24.04 | jozefk | sample.com is a sample :) |
| 19:25.04 | jelly | jozefk: change the dns entry for your fully qualified host name to point to your IP (or, say, to be a CNAME to your dyndns host name), and enable apache on default :80 port? |
| 19:25.10 | rincon1 | jelly: xrandr says: Can't open display |
| 19:25.12 | greycat | jozefk: they access it by using the DynDNS name. |
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| 19:25.37 | rincon1 | jelly: but mi xwindows is running |
| 19:25.42 | greycat | jozefk: they literally put http://sample.com:YOURPORT/ (as literal as I can be with you NOT FUCKING TELLING US ANYTHING CONCRETE) |
| 19:25.50 | jelly | rincon1: use a normal user's shell, not root's |
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| 19:26.34 | jozefk | sample.com:port works fine. but the page loaded in that way is the one from /var/www |
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| 19:26.47 | jozefk | my virtual host page is in ~/www |
| 19:26.47 | greycat | jozefk: then your real question is "How do I configure virtual hosts in apache2" as I thought. |
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| 19:27.01 | greycat | jozefk: you need to edit the config files correctly and then reload apache2 |
| 19:27.11 | jozefk | virtual host works fine locally. my question is how to access it remotelly |
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| 19:27.19 | abrotman | jozefk: so configure your apache to point the correct place .. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ |
| 19:27.23 | greycat | If it "works locally" then you have done something WRONG> |
| 19:27.39 | greycat | We have no idea WHAT you did, but it sure as hell wasn't correct. |
| 19:27.49 | abrotman | tries to figure out where the > came from ... |
| 19:28.00 | greycat | leftover shift . |
| 19:28.04 | jelly | weird-ass HPUX keyboard! |
| 19:28.05 | jozefk | wrong? I added the sample.com in my /etc/hosts file in the same line with localhost |
| 19:28.17 | greycat | jozefk: /etc/hosts is WRONG WRONG WRONG |
| 19:28.23 | greycat | jozefk: apache2 does not LOOK AT /etc/hosts at all. |
| 19:28.29 | jozefk | :) |
| 19:28.31 | rincon1 | jelly: xrander --size 1280x720 says: Size 1280x720 not found in available modes |
| 19:28.33 | jozefk | i know that |
| 19:28.37 | greycat | jozefk: apache2 configuration is a whole complex set of files under /etc/apache2/ |
| 19:28.41 | jozefk | but the browser doaes |
| 19:28.48 | jozefk | does* |
| 19:28.48 | greycat | *cry* |
| 19:28.58 | abrotman | run away! |
| 19:29.01 | jelly | jozefk: pastebin the output of "apache2ctl -S" for starters, and no munging please ifyou want help |
| 19:29.03 | greycat | jozefk: what is your virtual host name? |
| 19:29.14 | Justin | rincon1: run xrandr without an options, it will tell you the supported modes |
| 19:29.16 | jozefk | anyway I see I can't do that |
| 19:29.38 | jelly | rincon1: what does just "xrandr" say? |
| 19:29.44 | jozefk | I can't have the default host and the virtual host in the same time with only one IP addess |
| 19:29.47 | jozefk | address* |
| 19:29.58 | jelly | jozefk: sure you can, that's what VirtualHosts are all about |
| 19:29.59 | greycat | jozefk: name-based virtual hosts. Look it up. |
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| 19:30.18 | greycat | You have MUCH reading to do. |
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| 19:30.54 | jozefk | apache2ctl -S http://pastebin.org/62849 |
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| 19:31.39 | abrotman | jozefk: why are you asking here about Ubuntu ? |
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| 19:32.05 | jozefk | because I think apache is the same |
| 19:32.20 | abrotman | jozefk: please go to #ubuntu for support, you're offtopic in this channel |
| 19:32.27 | greycat | Fujitsu-Ubuntu is not even a fully qualified domain name. |
| 19:32.46 | greycat | he would also be on-topic in #httpd by the way, but even there, he STILL needs to rtfm |
| 19:32.55 | abrotman | yes, but it's not on-topic here |
| 19:33.12 | rincon1 | jelly: xrandr dont accepts changes: http://paste.debian.net/53595 |
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| 19:33.41 | jozefk | where is that manual? |
| 19:33.46 | abrotman | i already told you |
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| 19:34.00 | greycat | 14:27 abrotman> jozefk: so configure your apache to point the correct place .. http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ |
| 19:34.05 | Mish- | I'm looking for a web based tool that will list updates available for Linux servers it knows about. Ideally let me approve and deploy them from the web based interface. Essentially "Windows Update" for Linux. I will wrote one, today if it doesn't exist... but I don't want to reinvent the wheel, help! :) |
| 19:34.09 | aeg | Hi i would ilike vim to handle the syntax for .incl file the same as .php where can i fix that ? |
| 19:34.11 | Justin | rincon1: try --mode |
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| 19:34.18 | abrotman | jozefk: now if you want further support, go to #ubuntu or #httpd or #apache |
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| 19:34.36 | jelly | rincon1: uh, your hardware isn't well supported with this version of Xorg or the xorg video driver. |
| 19:34.40 | Justin | oh, --size should work, weird |
| 19:35.28 | jozefk | abrotman: i didn't ask question about ubuntu. i asked about virtual host which is the same in both debian and ubuntu. i didn't even mention anything about distros |
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| 19:35.57 | abrotman | jozefk: you've been sileneced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
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| 19:38.31 | jelly | rincon1: which driver are you using for this graphics card? Pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf if it exists. |
| 19:38.42 | JackSMith | get windows keys for cheap http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) |
| 19:39.10 | jelly | oh, boy, spamvertized hidden url! I'm SURE to click it |
| 19:39.30 | jelly | where's the k-line |
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| 19:41.18 | Mish- | So NO-ONE here has heard of a web based multiple server management tool for Linux updates? |
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| 19:41.36 | greycat | If we did, we probably didn't care. |
| 19:41.52 | Titan8990_ | hehe, i was just about to say something like that |
| 19:41.54 | greycat | Now, if you showed me one that worked from the COMMAND LINE, that would be interesting. |
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| 19:42.06 | abrotman | puppet and cfengine ? |
| 19:42.34 | robokop | Mish-: what kinda things you want to manage |
| 19:43.37 | Mish- | robokop: I use puppet for multiple server management but I'm after a way to see what updates are available for all my servers (300+) through one interface. The ability to approve updates would be a bonus. |
| 19:44.33 | Titan8990_ | set up your own repo, push packages into your repo after you have tested them and have your other boxes automatically update? |
| 19:44.45 | dutchfish | Titan8990_, exactly |
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| 19:47.00 | robokop | Mish-: never used puppet, but can't you write some extension to it that will do that |
| 19:48.27 | rincon1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:48.33 | Mish- | robokop: What I'm going to do is write a web server app that stores data in MySQL about available updates and displays them. The client will check for a flag on the server to see if the updates are approved. I will deploy this via puppet. It'll take two days two write, but if there's no software out there to do this, I have no choice |
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| 19:49.41 | robokop | well since you are using puppet already, i guess it is best to expand puppet so that it al stays 'one' system |
| 19:49.47 | [Rui] | so everyone on #debian-arm of oftc is sleeping :) |
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| 19:50.00 | jelly | rincon1: you're using a virtualbox guest. Have you read their manual about setting up guest additions and configuring Xorg in Linux clients? |
| 19:50.26 | [Rui] | is there any xorg-driver-input-tslib 0.0.5 version instead of the current 0.0.6 which is in squeeze? |
| 19:50.32 | rincon1 | jelly: i will thanks |
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| 19:50.55 | jelly | rincon1: there is also a #vbox channel |
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| 19:51.56 | benno2 | hi, any idea why I get a kernel panic when trying to boot debian lenny on a VIA EPIA 1GHz Nehemiah box (both from usb stick or from HD), kernel is 2.6.26-1-486. |
| 19:51.57 | aeg | is there s short story how to add a icon gnome dt bar to open a terminal on a other server ? |
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| 20:08.52 | amgarchIn9 | does anybody here use NFSv4? Is it ready for everybody. From what I've read it didnt look like that. |
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| 20:11.13 | et | amgarchIn9: i can only provide unconfirmed rumours spread by the guys managing our servers, they say the linux clients are not too stable, but that may be unfounded |
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| 20:12.44 | Titan8990_ | amgarchIn9, iirc, nfsv4 is the only one that is internet routable |
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| 20:14.50 | amgarchIn9 | et: I dont need security, dont need routing. I think file caching/delegation could make some difference. But if it more pain than NFSv3 I'll better stay with old setup. |
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| 20:14.55 | jhutchins | amgarchIn9: I know a lot of admins who use CIFS for unix-unix sharing. |
| 20:15.00 | Justin | Titan8990_: all nfs versions will work across the internet |
| 20:15.44 | Justin | linux nfs4 client is probably fine |
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| 20:16.02 | Titan8990_ | interesting, could have swore I had remembered reading that was one of the biggest pluses to nfsv4... internet routable |
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| 20:16.41 | amgarchIn9 | Titan8990_: routable and secure. Plain NFS is not encrypted in any way. |
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| 20:17.26 | agaskins | Hi, I think regex is the answer to my problem, but I could use some assistance, as I am not familiar with regex... I want to set up a 301 redirect for many URLs on a website, but only the path to files has changed, not the actual files... for example www.domain.com/pdf/file.pdf is now www.domain.com/manuals/pdf/file.pdf. Can I do this with regex or must I hardcode each redirect? Any help is greatly appreciated! |
| 20:17.45 | Justin | nfs4 can also work entirely across a single port(not counting kerberos) which is why it is also better for running across the internet |
| 20:18.01 | abrotman | agaskins: you'd probably do better to ask #httpd |
| 20:18.03 | Justin | i've found sshfs to be better in almost every way compared to nfs4+krb5p though :-/ |
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| 20:18.17 | agaskins | oh, ok, thanks abrotman! |
| 20:18.27 | abrotman | agaskins: assuming it's apache |
| 20:18.47 | agaskins | nginx, but the regex would be the same I do believe |
| 20:19.10 | abrotman | oh, then don't ask #httpd, that's just for apache |
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| 20:19.52 | agaskins | ah, well, I think it may be server independent since it would just require regex-fu |
| 20:19.54 | amgarchIn9 | agaskins: ln -s manuals/pdf pdf |
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| 20:20.45 | agaskins | well, that is just one example, it isn't really desirable for us to have all the sym links, it's already a pretty complex folder structure. That is a valid solution though. |
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| 20:21.41 | hackeron | what's the application that's similar to the original norton commander called? |
| 20:21.45 | abrotman | mc ? |
| 20:21.53 | robokop | midnight commander |
| 20:21.56 | hackeron | abrotman: that's it, thanks :) |
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| 20:22.38 | VladNistor | hello everyone. I'm chrooting into my ubuntu install and running # aptitude update but it doesn't seem to eb able to connect to the repo -> Could not resolve 'ftp.astral.ro' . Any help would be appreciated as I'm unsure if I should ask this here or in #ubuntu |
| 20:22.47 | cdog69 | ok so what gives... yesterday, i was emphatically told to NOT do general work as root. OK, I get that, but why the hell do i have to freaking sudo EVERYTHING I DO, whats the point? I can't even make a new directory in another directory without sudoing it. So, why not just do everything as root? Please help me understand. |
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| 20:23.11 | abrotman | VladNistor: yes, ask #ubuntu |
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| 20:23.29 | VladNistor | thanks, I'll do that |
| 20:23.32 | abrotman | cdog69: who owns the first directory? |
| 20:23.40 | abrotman | and where is it? |
| 20:23.44 | VladNistor | I just aked here since I was chrooting from debian :) |
| 20:24.17 | robokop | VladNistor: most probably you need to mount -bind /proc /path/to/chroot/proc and do the same for /dev |
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| 20:24.45 | cdog69 | it is my /var/www/ directory... root owns everything, from a fresh install. I have not changed anything in that regard |
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| 20:25.14 | abrotman | cdog69: okay, so you can create a directory under that for your user, and have root chown it, and then you wouldn't have to do that? |
| 20:25.27 | abrotman | cdog69: or change apache to have its root be under a directory you can write to |
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| 20:26.02 | amgarchIn9 | cdog69: mkdir /var/www/cdog69; chown cdog69:users /var/www/cdog69, and never sudo again |
| 20:26.10 | jhutchins | cdog69: Welcome to the world of standards - there are so many to choose from. |
| 20:26.29 | jhutchins | cdog69: Or build your web pages in your user directory and direct the virtualhost there. |
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| 20:26.48 | robokop | better yet use /srv/cdog69 |
| 20:27.09 | abrotman | or /home/cdog69/public_html/ ? |
| 20:27.19 | jhutchins | cdog69: It kinda depends on what you're doing with the system. Ordinary computer desktop work, browsing, etc. shouldn't be done as root, but building a public server, yeah, that might be done as root. |
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| 20:27.34 | abrotman | or /home/foo/cdog69/ or /i/like/stuff/here/cdog69/ |
| 20:28.00 | amgarchIn9 | cdog69: ~/public_html is what you are looking for, see abrotman saying |
| 20:28.17 | jhutchins | If you, for instance, install squirrelmail, it's going to assume that it's system-wide, not part of a specific user's website. |
| 20:28.17 | abrotman | it *could* be .. it really depends what he's trying to do |
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| 20:29.22 | cdog69 | well, its a web server that will be hosting sites, obviously im new at this, i was instructed that the best place to hold these web sites was /var/www/ so i obivously have to create the different web roots in this folder, if i choose to use this folder... so, as cbeyer, i have to sudo create these directories and then chown them so that cbeyer can use them, correct? |
| 20:29.26 | jhutchins | I manage a multi-user, multi-domain website. Individual sites are in /home/<user>/www, and usually have a virtualhost pointed at them,. |
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| 20:30.06 | amgarchIn9 | cdog69: sudo -s gives you a root shell, asks only your passwd |
| 20:30.10 | jhutchins | cdog69: If you're multi-user, it's a lot easier to have everythign for a given user/domain under a user's permissions/control/home directory. |
| 20:30.16 | robokop | jhutchins: i use /srv/www/<user> for that |
| 20:30.27 | cdog69 | not multiuser, just me and one other |
| 20:30.33 | cdog69 | for now |
| 20:30.36 | abrotman | cdog69: they do not have to be in /var/www/ .. i've used /var/www/ or /srv/ or lately i've been using /home/hostedsites/foo/ |
| 20:30.36 | robokop | 2>1 |
| 20:30.38 | jhutchins | robokop: How does the user access their site files? |
| 20:30.47 | VladNistor | robokop , thanks, but the problem is still there, lemme see what #ubuntu has to say about it |
| 20:31.37 | amgarchIn9 | VladNistor: ping IP of that ftp from chroot, if that works, add an entry to /etc/hosts |
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| 20:31.52 | jhutchins | cdog69: "for now". Plan well for the future, you don't want to have to rebuild from scratch. |
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| 20:32.31 | robokop | /srv/www/<user> is owned by the user and from group www-data and group sticky bit set |
| 20:32.33 | amgarchIn9 | VladNistor: $chroot/etc/hosts |
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| 20:34.37 | jhutchins | robokop: Do users havea link to it from their homes? |
| 20:34.39 | greycat | nah, this is just barely "low". |
| 20:34.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | cdog69, there's nothing wrong with using su and doing multiple things on that root-shell... that's not the same as doing "everything as root" - of course the less things you do as root the less potential for trojan scripts//exploits is there... |
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| 20:34.49 | jhutchins | robokop: One of the reasons I went the way I did is it made quotas easy to manage. |
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| 20:35.24 | jhutchins | CutMeOwnThroat: Of course you mean "su -". |
| 20:35.26 | robokop | jhutchins: they have a symbolic link |
| 20:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | jhutchins, I mean the program su |
| 20:36.28 | robokop | jhutchins: and yes it is a possible loophole in our quota system |
| 20:36.39 | jhutchins | cdog69: Things done as a regular user also have less potential to b0rk the whole system. |
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| 20:37.42 | cdog69 | Yeah, I get that... it just seems that everything I want to do as the cbeyer user says permission denied and i have to sudo or su root or whichever... just trying to understand |
| 20:37.47 | VladNistor | amgarchln9, I'v added 193.230.240.8fpt.astral.ro to my chroot/etc/hosts but still no joy |
| 20:37.48 | jhutchins | I managed to do a find...rm... once and forget to specify the term correctly, so it effectively returned /home/*/www/* |
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| 20:38.17 | jhutchins | VladNistor: If that's an accurate transcription I can see more than one problem. |
| 20:39.45 | VladNistor | jhutchins, I went to /media/long-uuid-number/etc/hosts and edited it to includ the above stated ip and address. should I have done something different? |
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| 20:40.22 | jhutchins | VladNistor: Well, fpt instead of ftp, and there needs to be whitespace between the IP and the hostname. |
| 20:40.30 | amgarchIn9 | VladNistor: is is dead also for me "host fpt.astral.ro" returns NXDOMAIN. Change /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:41.26 | jhutchins | Guys? Seriously? |
| 20:41.40 | amgarchIn9 | VladNistor: ignore that, you misspelled the ftp/fpt |
| 20:41.56 | VladNistor | jhuntchins, thanks, the fpt instead of fpt was the problem, it now works, thanks you very much :) |
| 20:42.06 | VladNistor | and thanks amagarcln9 too :P |
| 20:42.16 | jhutchins | VladNistor: I love it when they're that easy, even when it's me who screwed up. |
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| 20:43.05 | jhutchins | Remember everybody, experience is proportional to data destroyed. Make backups. |
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| 20:43.47 | VladNistor | only 515 packages upgraded, 27 newly installed, 42 to remove and 11 not upgraded. this is going to take a while |
| 20:43.54 | robokop | jhutchins: i think i'm quite experienced then |
| 20:44.17 | greycat | jhutchins: but... but... does that mean if I make backups, I won't get XP? How will I level up?! |
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| 20:44.46 | robokop | greycat: hack in someone elses server |
| 20:44.57 | robokop | and destroy the data there :P |
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| 20:48.12 | Spec | hahaha |
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| 20:48.44 | Spec | regarding logcheck/ntpd, the word "status" was added to the log line(ntpd[pid]: kernel time sync change ####), so logcheck kept passing them as positives |
| 20:49.02 | avar | This is probably a FAQ but I can't find it Googling around. I want to use Sun Java on Debian and not have Debian install GCJ packages when I install e.g. ant. All my update-alternatives are set to use sun java, and ant only recommends ant-gcj |
| 20:49.30 | avar | but this is what I get when I try to install ant: http://pastie.org/736089 |
| 20:50.16 | robokop | apt-get --no-install-recomends |
| 20:50.24 | abrotman | avar: in lenny ? |
| 20:50.55 | abrotman | !tell avar about apt recommends |
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| 20:50.57 | tc | hola |
| 20:51.03 | avar | testing squeeze/sid |
| 20:51.04 | tc | for testing, what are the bpo kernel releases? |
| 20:51.10 | abrotman | there aren't |
| 20:51.32 | greycat | why would you have backports in testing? |
| 20:51.34 | avar | ah yes, --no-install-recommends does it |
| 20:51.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, it's easy - collect some useless data on a free drive you don't need to update, then destroy it at a convenient time |
| 20:51.47 | abrotman | tc: generally, the backports come from testing intended for stable |
| 20:51.58 | tc | gotcha |
| 20:52.06 | tc | so it implies backport |
| 20:52.48 | robokop | C.M.O.T.: that doesn't count, the data has to be relevant |
| 20:53.05 | abrotman | nicktab ? |
| 20:53.30 | robokop | abrotman: i have, but i more like C.M.O.T. Dibbler as his name |
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| 20:57.38 | d3c | how do I figure out whether my system is 32/64-bit? |
| 20:57.48 | greycat | d3c: file /bin/ls |
| 20:58.07 | avu | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 20:58.08 | dpkg | avu: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 20:58.20 | d3c | greycat, avu: thank you |
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| 21:11.33 | BalSak | hi guys |
| 21:12.11 | BalSak | "new" to deb; been using ubuntu for a while, but need to get "serious" for production machines |
| 21:12.12 | JyZyXEL | what is that tool you use to reconfigure alsa |
| 21:12.31 | BalSak | getting a key error: "GPG error: http://security.debian.org etch/updates Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 9AA38DCD55BE302B Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (5.0/lenny)" |
| 21:12.33 | JyZyXEL | alsaconf i think it was |
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| 21:12.35 | JyZyXEL | !alsaconf |
| 21:12.36 | dpkg | alsaconf is a formerly included <ALSA> configuration tool to detect sound cards. Removed from the alsa-utils package at 1.0.17-1: "The only valid use-case for alsaconf is aiding the configuration of ISA sound cards." Ask me about <install alsa> and <alsa checklist>. See also http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-alsa/trunk/alsa-utils/debian/NEWS |
| 21:12.42 | laurus | Is there any program for Debian that will play APE/CUE files? |
| 21:12.49 | BalSak | JyZyXEL: dpkg-reconfigure or also-mixer, i think |
| 21:12.51 | JyZyXEL | install alsa |
| 21:12.58 | JyZyXEL | !install alsa |
| 21:12.59 | dpkg | "aptitude install alsa-base alsa-utils". After it's installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels. Some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA, ask me about <devdsp>. You may also need to install libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. Lenny and Squeeze users with ESS Allegro/Maestro3 devices: ask me about <maestro3>. |
| 21:13.15 | Titan8990_ | BalSak, aptitude reinstall debian-archive-keyring |
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| 21:13.30 | Titan8990_ | BalSak, did you get that error from a fresh lenny install? |
| 21:13.31 | BalSak | Titan8990_ |
| 21:13.33 | BalSak | thanks |
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| 21:14.06 | BalSak | Titan8990_: yes; 1st update/upgrade on a voyage install (getting into ALIX) |
| 21:14.34 | JyZyXEL | how the hell is alsa supposed to work when none of the kernel modules are loaded |
| 21:14.40 | JyZyXEL | and nothing seems to load them |
| 21:15.04 | Titan8990_ | BalSak, voyage? |
| 21:15.15 | JyZyXEL | alsaconf used to detect what modules you need and load them |
| 21:15.15 | Gokee2 | How does debian decide what source to use if both sources are are at the same level and pinned the same? |
| 21:15.18 | Titan8990_ | !voyage |
| 21:15.19 | dpkg | Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian> targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing lists. http://linux.voyage.hk/ Not supported in #debian. |
| 21:15.19 | greycat | if the Debian hardware probing isn't finding your sound devices at *all*, then you need to dig pretty deep. |
| 21:15.23 | JyZyXEL | but no it had to be removed |
| 21:15.40 | amgarchIn9 | I just did "aptitude --schedule-only install $(< pkglist)" and upon "aptitude install" see too much to be installed (texlive). How do I recosider? |
| 21:15.42 | Titan8990_ | BalSak, distro's that are based on debian are not supported here |
| 21:15.52 | JyZyXEL | how the fuck am i supposed to load them without the damn alsaconf |
| 21:15.53 | greycat | Did you do something daft like disabling Debian's normal discover or whatever-the-hell-it-is probing? |
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| 21:19.14 | JyZyXEL | !reinstall |
| 21:19.14 | dpkg | i guess reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 21:19.46 | amgarchIn9 | is that "aptitude keep-all" that "Cancels all scheduled actions on all packages; any packages whose sticky state indicates an installation, removal, or upgrade will have this sticky state cleared." ? |
| 21:20.33 | greycat | jgabor: |
| 21:20.34 | JyZyXEL | how do you modprobe with wildcards? |
| 21:20.36 | greycat | sorry. |
| 21:20.49 | greycat | JyZyXEL: why is your hardware NOT being detected automatically? |
| 21:20.56 | JyZyXEL | how should i know |
| 21:21.10 | greycat | What did you change? What kind of hardware is it, exactly? What version of Debian? |
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| 21:21.42 | JyZyXEL | i installed ossv4 and removed it wouldn't uninstall cleanly |
| 21:21.58 | nauseaboy | anyone know how I can send test prints to an lpt port? |
| 21:22.06 | JyZyXEL | so i just dpkg -L oss-linux and removed all the items by hand |
| 21:22.11 | BalSak | Titan8990_: not too sure it's a distro-specific issue as much as it is a silly noob question (I tend to have difficulty with apt keys) |
| 21:22.18 | greycat | nauseaboy: install 'cups' and use the web interface to configure printers |
| 21:23.03 | greycat | W: Unable to locate package oss-linux |
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| 21:23.11 | JyZyXEL | yea cause its not in debian repo |
| 21:23.15 | JyZyXEL | its in oss repo |
| 21:24.03 | greycat | So you messed with unsupported kernel-level drivers, broke something, and failed to revert to the normal state, and you're surprised when things aren't working? |
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| 21:24.15 | JyZyXEL | no im not |
| 21:24.15 | greycat | Find the name of the module you need to load and put it in /etc/modules |
| 21:24.27 | JyZyXEL | im trying to do that |
| 21:24.39 | JyZyXEL | i wanna load all the modules that match snd-* |
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| 21:24.59 | JyZyXEL | one of them is gonna be the right one |
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| 21:25.19 | greycat | ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/ |
| 21:25.22 | greycat | have fun. |
| 21:25.32 | greycat | ls /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound/pci/ |
| 21:25.38 | greycat | argh. |
| 21:25.51 | JyZyXEL | same path |
| 21:26.14 | greycat | yes, ctrl-A 0 middle click is apparently hard to do. |
| 21:26.46 | JyZyXEL | i don't even have /sound/ |
| 21:27.11 | JyZyXEL | guess im gonna be reinstalling my kernel image |
| 21:28.25 | JyZyXEL | is it: dpkg --purge linux-image-2.6-686; apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 21:28.39 | JyZyXEL | that way it will replace all the modules |
| 21:28.40 | Justin | JyZyXEL: purge won't clear out /lib/modules/ |
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| 21:28.55 | Justin | you'll need to rm /lib/modules/specific_version -rf after the purge |
| 21:29.03 | JyZyXEL | oh |
| 21:29.08 | JyZyXEL | it should remove it |
| 21:29.09 | greycat | purging linux-image-2.6-686 also won't do much. that's just a meta-package. |
| 21:29.15 | themill | JyZyXEL: you'd also need to use the name of the actual kernel package |
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| 21:29.35 | greycat | you'd need to purge linux-image-$(uname -r) (and be careful!) |
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| 21:30.02 | JyZyXEL | how do i ignore depencies? |
| 21:30.16 | Titan8990_ | wouldn't it be easier to figure out which driver you need... rather than load them all? |
| 21:30.17 | greycat | JyZyXEL: dpkg --force-help |
| 21:30.28 | JyZyXEL | Titan8990_: well i had none to load |
| 21:30.34 | greycat | Titan8990_: he just said he's missing the entire kernel/sound/ subdirectory |
| 21:30.43 | Titan8990_ | I missed that, sorry |
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| 21:31.20 | abrotman | why not just reinstall the package |
| 21:31.22 | hark | JyZyXEL: don't purge your kernel, try reinstalling it instead first |
| 21:31.32 | JyZyXEL | reinstalling doesn't do shit |
| 21:31.46 | hark | JyZyXEL: not the metapackage |
| 21:32.16 | greycat | JyZyXEL: 16:29 greycat> you'd need to purge linux-image-$(uname -r) (and be careful!) |
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| 21:33.37 | JyZyXEL | the uninstaller says it will remove all the modules |
| 21:33.47 | JyZyXEL | so i don't manually need to remove them |
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| 21:36.13 | roldyx | hello, I need play chess with my partner.. but I use debian and he use windows.. somebody know a chess client? |
| 21:36.21 | greycat | you mean "the uninstaller for this ossv4 thing"? |
| 21:37.02 | greycat | waits for the "it ran rm -rf /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/sound" punchline. |
| 21:37.13 | JyZyXEL | greycat: the script that triggers with apt-get remove oss-linux |
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| 21:37.41 | JyZyXEL | it tried to unload the oss modules but the modules just crashed |
| 21:37.55 | JyZyXEL | and the uninstaller wasn't equiped to handle that situation so it froze |
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| 21:39.05 | JyZyXEL | so thats how good the commercial sound system is |
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| 21:43.44 | ali3n | hello guys, im trying to search the apt-get for tcl, its saying when i make my eggdrop tcl is missing however 8.4 is installed any ideas? |
| 21:44.13 | abrotman | you want tcl8.4-dev |
| 21:44.16 | abrotman | i think |
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| 21:44.17 | ali3n | thanks :D |
| 21:44.42 | jelly-hme | wonders what's wrong with the eggdrop package |
| 21:44.55 | ali3n | i like doing it by hand :) |
| 21:45.05 | ali3n | thanks abrotman it worked :) |
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| 21:46.05 | ali3n | whats the package that has make? |
| 21:46.10 | ali3n | forgot to install it lol |
| 21:46.16 | abrotman | !b-e ali3n |
| 21:46.17 | dpkg | ali3n: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 21:46.25 | robokop | build-essential |
| 21:46.29 | ali3n | thanks :P |
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| 21:48.16 | Calath | hi |
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| 21:49.27 | JyZyXEL | how do you generate a new menu.lst? |
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| 21:49.56 | greycat | JyZyXEL: update-grub |
| 21:50.02 | JyZyXEL | it didn't generate a new one |
| 21:50.06 | robokop | JyZyXEL: /usr/sbin/update-grub |
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| 21:50.20 | greycat | Then you need to figure out what ELSE you broke. |
| 21:50.27 | JyZyXEL | i can't remember |
| 21:50.57 | JyZyXEL | i think there was a option to freeze menu.lst somewhere |
| 21:51.10 | JyZyXEL | i might have turned it on |
| 21:51.14 | JyZyXEL | but who knows |
| 21:51.19 | JyZyXEL | i can't remember shit |
| 21:51.59 | v4nelle | anybody knows which packages add the "Laptop" section o debian installer? |
| 21:52.53 | JyZyXEL | sudo grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:54.57 | abrotman | v4nelle: you mean which packages are in that task? |
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| 21:55.12 | Calath | any1 know where i can download debian 5.0.3 hard disk img? |
| 21:55.18 | JyZyXEL | lol this shit is so not gonna boot ever again |
| 21:55.37 | abrotman | v4nelle: tasksel --task-packages laptop |
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| 21:55.56 | robokop | JyZyXEL: then don't reboot |
| 21:56.09 | abrotman | no, please let him .. |
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| 21:56.49 | JyZyXEL | oh dear it did boot! |
| 21:56.49 | v4nelle | abrotman, yes...that i mean |
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| 21:56.58 | robokop | but boots and shit don't go well together |
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| 21:57.11 | JyZyXEL | no they usually go hand in hand |
| 21:57.45 | greycat | but boots go on your feet |
| 21:57.50 | JyZyXEL | many times you find yourself in a shit storm after booting |
| 21:57.58 | v4nelle | abrotman, thx :) |
| 21:58.25 | robokop | greycat: that is why you kick your server in the reboot |
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| 21:59.05 | shivraj | is anyone using a solid state drive ? |
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| 21:59.26 | Calath | anyone know where i can download debian 5.0.3 hard disk img to boot from my usb? |
| 21:59.36 | Titan8990_ | !usb install |
| 21:59.36 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 22:00.03 | shivraj | are there any special drivers ? |
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| 22:00.14 | Calath | sweet |
| 22:00.31 | JyZyXEL | ok well atleast now the cards are detected and modules are loaded for them |
| 22:01.52 | JyZyXEL | and lets see, oh nice pcspeaker as the default output device |
| 22:02.15 | robokop | pcspeaker rules |
| 22:02.38 | JyZyXEL | yea and thanks for the brilliant minds of the alsa team to change the sound devices you gotta reboot |
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| 22:02.53 | fa2s | is it test version of lenny safe for me use in my notebook? |
| 22:03.03 | nevyn | hrm |
| 22:03.11 | JyZyXEL | yea and they made it real easy too |
| 22:03.20 | JyZyXEL | you gotta manually specify all the modules in a modprobe file |
| 22:03.21 | iceroot | fa2s: testing/unstable/experimentel is never safe |
| 22:03.28 | JyZyXEL | and give them special parameters |
| 22:03.30 | fa2s | why not? |
| 22:03.32 | Dassu | I have little problems with keyboard going crazy. |
| 22:03.34 | JyZyXEL | that define their alsa device numbers |
| 22:03.39 | patrikf | fa2s: no. the reason why its called "testing" and not "stable" is because it isn't as stable. |
| 22:03.39 | iceroot | fa2s: because its not stable? |
| 22:03.40 | robokop | fa2s: lenny is stable |
| 22:03.41 | Dassu | fa2s: |
| 22:04.51 | abrotman | fa2s: lenny is stable, squeeze is testing .. now what's your question ? |
| 22:05.07 | fa2s | in fact, I would like to know if i would have so many problem, such as, driver support |
| 22:05.18 | JyZyXEL | its such a nice and easy to use system, YEA GREETS GO OUT TO ALL THE ALSA DEVS, WOOHOO GIVE THEM A BIG HAND EVERYBODY |
| 22:05.25 | abrotman | fa2s: depends on your hardware |
| 22:05.36 | iceroot | fa2s: test it |
| 22:05.44 | fa2s | I have an inspiron 1525 |
| 22:05.49 | iceroot | fa2s: test it |
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| 22:06.12 | Mallxs | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.34 | iceroot | Mallxs: change the password fast |
| 22:06.48 | robokop | Mallxs: thanks for the password |
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| 22:07.31 | Mallxs | dump me |
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| 22:07.57 | fa2s | once i've heard the I would have to compile my wireless drive module to make the wireless works |
| 22:08.04 | robokop | i have not yet taken advantage of it |
| 22:08.13 | abrotman | fa2s: it depends on your hardware .. if you don't know what your hardware is, we can't really answer your questions |
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| 22:08.16 | abrotman | !tell fa2s about laptop |
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| 22:08.35 | fa2s | it is a BCM4312 |
| 22:12.47 | doubleclick | does anyone know what is this -- http://grml-forensic.org/ ? |
| 22:12.59 | doubleclick | is that something new or very old? |
| 22:13.05 | v4nelle | guys there is any problem on grub...debian installer failed to install greb-legancy and grub2 on debian testing... |
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| 22:16.45 | jelly-hme | v4nelle: are you acquainted with the common meaning of the word "testing |
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| 22:17.33 | cptblood | my computer was powered off by some guy who was re-painting my living room, and now when i try to boot, i get: "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" "Error cannot mount filesystem" any ideas? |
| 22:17.57 | v4nelle | jelly-hme, but debian testing had less problems 1 year ago,i think...never mind.....thx |
| 22:18.07 | jelly-hme | v4nelle: your debian release of choice could be broken at any given moment. We apologize for the inconvenience. Please check and report any unreported bugs. |
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| 22:19.01 | jelly-hme | v4nelle: 1 year ago, it was codenamed "lenny" and was in a deep freeze with not much moving anywhere |
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| 22:19.26 | jelly-hme | v4nelle: testing from a year ago has become "stable" in the meantime |
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| 22:19.49 | rwest | could someone give me a hand getting cups to recognize a parallel port hp printer? |
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| 22:20.29 | abrotman | is printconf still a package ? |
| 22:20.35 | rwest | I am trying to use the web interface to add it and I also have the ppd file for it but when I tell it to look for new printers, it doesn't find anything |
| 22:20.50 | abrotman | judd: info printconf --release lenny |
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| 22:20.52 | judd | abrotman: printconf (utils): is optional; Version: 0.7.9.1; Size: 16.8k; Installed: 84k -- automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS |
| 22:21.38 | rwest | i just ran it and then tried to find new printers and it doesn't find it |
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| 22:22.29 | rwest | all I need to do is run the printconf command right ? |
| 22:22.37 | abrotman | it's a package |
| 22:22.40 | abrotman | i've never used it |
| 22:22.45 | rwest | oh |
| 22:23.23 | rwest | I have the package and I run it and it says reloading common unix printing system and then tells me a site to go to if it doesn't find my printer |
| 22:23.28 | jelly-hme | rwest: hmph. Is "parport-pc" kernel module loaded? |
| 22:23.57 | rwest | I just ran lsmod | grep partport-pc and came back with nothing |
| 22:23.59 | rwest | so I'm guessing not |
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| 22:24.33 | abrotman | rwest: parport .. not partport |
| 22:24.37 | jelly-hme | see what happens indmesg when you modprobe it |
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| 22:25.07 | rwest | abrotman: sorry. I just double checked and it was only a typo in here |
| 22:25.21 | jelly-hme | so it's there already? |
| 22:25.31 | jelly-hme | or, not. |
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| 22:26.13 | rwest | I ran the modprobe and then tried to lsmod and it still wasn't there |
| 22:26.15 | rwest | weird |
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| 22:27.02 | rwest | I've never had this happen before. Usually any HP printer usb or parallel is found automatically |
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| 22:27.06 | robokop | rwest: dmesg | grep parport |
| 22:27.11 | Gm4n | how do I turn the small netinst into a bootable USB drive? |
| 22:27.16 | Drunken | hi. is there an easy way to upgrade from 1.0.16 alsa to the new version with debian? |
| 22:27.20 | abrotman | !tell Gm4n about usb install |
| 22:27.30 | rwest | [ 14.772491] parport_pc 00:0a: disabled |
| 22:27.31 | rwest | [ 14.772522] parport_pc: probe of 00:0a failed with error -22 |
| 22:27.34 | Gm4n | thanks, abrotman =) |
| 22:27.39 | rwest | so it isn't working |
| 22:27.50 | jelly-hme | rwest: pastebin more of the context |
| 22:28.00 | jelly-hme | perhaps the whole dmesg |
| 22:28.12 | rwest | jelly-hme: thats all I got when I ran dmesg | grep parport |
| 22:28.38 | abrotman | that's why he asked for the whole thing . |
| 22:28.39 | jelly-hme | rwest: that's why I told you to get the context, and not just those mathcing lines |
| 22:29.02 | robokop | dmesg | pastebinit |
| 22:29.11 | robokop | rwest: dmesg | pastebinit |
| 22:29.24 | Drunken | is there an easy way to update debian's alsa to the latest via synaptics or some other easy way? |
| 22:29.34 | jelly-hme | or dmesg > somefile, and upload the file to a pastebin site |
| 22:29.35 | abrotman | didn'ty you just ask that? |
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| 22:30.36 | Gm4n | the referenced guide talks about cat-ing a .img to the device. Does it work the same way for a .iso? |
| 22:30.42 | cptblood | my computer was powered off by some guy who was re-painting my living room, and now when i try to boot, i get: "filesystem type unknown, partition type 0x7" "Error cannot mount filesystem" any ideas? |
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| 22:30.56 | oh_noes | is there a program that can update /etc/network/interfaces?: /foo/bar eth0 ip <newip> or something? |
| 22:31.03 | oh_noes | or do I need to sed my way through it? |
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| 22:31.10 | rwest | http://pastebin.com/m84067ad |
| 22:31.29 | robokop | oh_noes: ifconfig |
| 22:32.23 | oh_noes | can ifconfig write it's config to /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 22:32.23 | robokop | nope |
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| 22:32.25 | oh_noes | then htf does that answer my question? |
| 22:32.26 | oh_noes | lol |
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| 22:32.49 | abrotman | oh_noes: perhaps you should describe the problem you're trying to solve |
| 22:32.52 | robokop | oh_noes: it gives you a temporary different ip |
| 22:33.04 | jelly-hme | oh_noes: we don't answer questions, we just look for keywords that trigger our automatic responses |
| 22:33.22 | robokop | oh_noes: you can edit /etc/network/interfaces by hand |
| 22:33.48 | oh_noes | abrotman: im trying to update /etc/network/interfaces via an automated script.... my question is does anything exist that can do this easily or do I have to reinvent the wheel and run some complex untested sed |
| 22:34.17 | abrotman | oh_noes: but why are you trying to do that? |
| 22:34.36 | oh_noes | because i have a use case to do it? |
| 22:35.03 | abrotman | okay .. nevermind then |
| 22:36.20 | oh_noes | i'll hack the file using sed :s |
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| 22:37.11 | robokop | oh_noes: i think the easiest way is using a template /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:39.44 | rwest | so I just checked the bios options on the print server and I forgot that it has options for the parallel port. Any idea which one would work best? ecp epp, etc? |
| 22:40.03 | nevyn | epp |
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| 22:40.26 | rwest | ok, I'll give that a shot. |
| 22:41.27 | jelly-hme | rwest: the best throughput can theoretically get achieved by using the dma-capable method, that is, ecp. |
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| 22:42.24 | burdicda | been working for weeks with qualcomm 9212 and an acer-wm netbook no workee anyone input ??? |
| 22:42.31 | jelly-hme | it's anyone's guess in what way your motherboard/chipset is broken or not, and whether you need to specify some options for parport-pc module if autodetection is failing |
| 22:42.41 | cptblood | anyone knows how to solve this upon boot: Assuming 33MHz system bus for PIO mode; override with blah blah |
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| 22:42.49 | lotus-blade | aam I understanding this right? tables are not allowed if you are using <div> |
| 22:43.08 | robokop | lotus-blade: whe are not #html |
| 22:43.26 | jelly-hme | cptblood: nothing to be solved there, it's an informational message |
| 22:43.27 | lotus-blade | it is in my php cod |
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| 22:43.37 | cptblood | jelly: but it stops there |
| 22:43.47 | cptblood | jelly-hme:* |
| 22:43.52 | Pendrag0n | I've got a silly question, I am trying to use "find . -iname '*.*'" to locate all files with in a path recursively or "find . -maxdepth1 -iname '*.*'" itteratively, but I relized files without extentions, such as binary linux programs, well anything withiout a . in teh filename doesn't show up |
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| 22:44.05 | Pendrag0n | now it is obvious why, but any ideas how to fix it? |
| 22:44.28 | robokop | Pendrag0n: skipt the -iname param |
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| 22:44.37 | Pendrag0n | ah ok |
| 22:44.50 | LordVorp | what package can I apt-get to remove the message: Install these packages without verification? |
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| 22:45.14 | nevyn | jelly-hme: I thought epp was the dma capable method |
| 22:45.14 | robokop | LordVorp: debian-archive-keyring |
| 22:45.18 | jelly-hme | cptblood: hm. http://wiki.debian.org/InitramfsDebug |
| 22:45.24 | Pendrag0n | ah thanks robokop |
| 22:45.31 | nevyn | rwest: my bad jelly-hme is right I think |
| 22:45.46 | rwest | okie dokie |
| 22:46.11 | cptblood | k, thx |
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| 22:49.13 | rxt0 | MSG dpkg debian |
| 22:49.21 | fubada | how can I take a package from testing and install in stable |
| 22:49.24 | fubada | the best way |
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| 22:49.43 | jelly-hme | cptblood: heh, "Read man initramfs-tools" is going to be a bit hard if you're unable to boot |
| 22:49.54 | markybob__ | !ssb |
| 22:49.54 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 22:50.13 | cptblood | yeah, but i figure i could use a rescue cd, but reading that will definitely take quite some time jelly-hme |
| 22:50.30 | robokop | fubada: check if it is in backports |
| 22:50.42 | fubada | im not familiar, whats backports |
| 22:50.46 | fubada | !backports |
| 22:50.49 | dpkg | i heard backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 22:52.46 | fubada | GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 22:52.56 | fubada | whats all this, after adding backports to sources |
| 22:53.21 | jelly-home | !tell fubada -about bpo |
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| 22:53.38 | fubada | edzachary what im doing |
| 22:53.49 | fubada | its giving me errors related pubkey |
| 22:54.09 | robokop | backports has its own signing key |
| 22:54.11 | markybob | fubada, why dont you read the faq? |
| 22:54.37 | fubada | nothing in FAQ related to signing pubkey, great tip btw |
| 22:54.45 | fubada | robokop, where do i obtain it |
| 22:55.24 | jelly-home | fubada: dpkg should have told you what to do, in a private message |
| 22:55.31 | jelly-home | did you get the message? |
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| 22:55.43 | markybob | fubada, apparently reading is difficult for you. apt-get install debian-backports-keyring |
| 22:55.55 | robokop | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 23:01.13 | fubada | okay, new openswan package is not in backports |
| 23:01.22 | zach242 | The lenny debian net installer hangs at "Configuring apt" at 37% yet I can go to a console and wget http://ftp.us.debian.org and all seems fine |
| 23:01.35 | fubada | what are my other options for installing testing openswan on 5.0 |
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| 23:03.24 | markybob | fubada, you've been told by two different people. ssb |
| 23:03.47 | markybob | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=openswan |
| 23:04.08 | fubada | ok who got deb-src sources.list line for sid |
| 23:04.09 | fubada | paste here |
| 23:04.10 | fubada | i need it |
| 23:05.45 | Titan8990 | fubada, its exactly the same as your lenny line.... copy the line and replace "lenny" with sid |
| 23:05.50 | abrotman | fubada: man sources.list .. make it yourself |
| 23:05.54 | fubada | orly |
| 23:05.58 | fubada | kthx |
| 23:06.04 | robokop | bye. |
| 23:06.04 | abrotman | Titan8990: uhm .. wrong |
| 23:06.05 | robokop | ? |
| 23:06.08 | abrotman | fubada: nope .. wrong don't do that |
| 23:06.30 | abrotman | Titan8990: he may not have a deb-src for lenny .. he may copy the deb line and whammo up to unstable he goes |
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| 23:06.46 | abrotman | Titan8990: if he's asking how to create one .. don't assume he already has one |
| 23:06.54 | fubada | listen i haz one |
| 23:07.00 | abrotman | haz ? really? |
| 23:07.11 | fubada | fril |
| 23:07.24 | markybob | fuck i hate people |
| 23:07.32 | Titan8990 | abrotman, well, the concept wasn't wrong... it was poorly explained |
| 23:07.35 | robokop | fubada is a cute kitten dancing on the keyboard i guess |
| 23:08.08 | abrotman | markybob: oh come on .. it wasn't my fault! |
| 23:08.15 | abrotman | Titan8990: man sources.list should suffice |
| 23:08.19 | fubada | everybody fucking chill, we're ok |
| 23:08.21 | fubada | its gonna b ok |
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| 23:08.32 | fubada | !ssb |
| 23:08.33 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 23:08.37 | abrotman | see .. he can't even complete a sentence |
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| 23:10.05 | fubada | worked like a charm, kthxbye |
| 23:11.17 | robokop | found a picture of fubada: http://lolcat.com/images/742.html |
| 23:11.25 | fubada | aw smartypants |
| 23:11.35 | fubada | u google long time |
| 23:11.46 | abrotman | anyways .. have a nice day |
| 23:12.08 | fubada | abrotman, wait |
| 23:12.16 | fubada | you need to tell me what to do with .deb |
| 23:12.21 | fubada | :) |
| 23:12.25 | robokop | dpkg -i |
| 23:12.25 | dpkg | robokop: wish i knew |
| 23:12.28 | fubada | lol |
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| 23:12.36 | fubada | u guys are so gullible |
| 23:12.44 | abrotman | fubada: do you need help or not? |
| 23:12.58 | robokop | fubada: do dpkg -i <the .deb> |
| 23:13.18 | abrotman | robokop: just ignore him .. he's playing with you |
| 23:13.47 | jelly-home | abrotman: just silence him, he's had enough |
| 23:13.54 | markybob | ...or...our wonderful ops could kick him... :-P |
| 23:13.56 | abrotman | which one? |
| 23:13.58 | robokop | http://culturekitchen.com/files/lolcat-AUUUUUUUUUUGH.jpg <-- this is how he looked when he came in here |
| 23:14.05 | jelly-home | abrotman: yes. :-) |
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| 23:14.07 | abrotman | robokop: stop already |
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| 23:14.12 | robokop | ke |
| 23:14.16 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 23:14.46 | SamuraiDio | how can i redirect some logs (actually, all pppd logs) from /var/log/messages to another logfile? |
| 23:14.55 | ComradeHaz | [23:06:55] <fubada> listen i haz one <---- GRRRRRR |
| 23:15.18 | Titan8990 | SamuraiDio, I would assume /etc/rsyslog.conf |
| 23:15.30 | fubada | what do i do with all these configurationz |
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| 23:15.42 | abrotman | fubada: knock it off |
| 23:15.46 | ComradeHaz | !spell configurations |
| 23:15.48 | dpkg | 'configurations' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:15.48 | fubada | vrot |
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| 23:16.26 | fubada | moment of openswan ipsec x509 truth... |
| 23:16.27 | fubada | cringe |
| 23:16.35 | Arek_Fu | Hi guys. Wanna hear something weird? If I type shift+M in a console or an xterm, it acts as a dead key â I can't see the capital M until I type another character. Any idea about how to fix this? |
| 23:16.39 | fubada | i hate you all! |
| 23:16.41 | fubada | fail |
| 23:16.46 | ComradeHaz | !explain to fubada that 'z' is not a trendy replacment for 's' |
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| 23:16.55 | markybob | yay |
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| 23:17.23 | SamuraiDio | Titan8990, i tried to edit syslog.conf, but i don't know if i did it correctly |
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| 23:17.37 | SamuraiDio | Titan8990, added this: |
| 23:17.38 | SamuraiDio | !ppp |
| 23:17.38 | SamuraiDio | *.* /var/log/ppp.log |
| 23:17.38 | dpkg | ppp is, like, Point-to-Point Protocol, a data link protocol frequently used in connecting a dial-up <modem> to the Internet. To enable on established systems, "aptitude install pppconfig && pppconfig". For more information on Debian's PPP package, "zless /usr/share/doc/ppp/README.Debian.gz". See also <pppoe>, <kppp>, <ppp on windows>. http://wiki.debian.org/PPP |
| 23:17.40 | SamuraiDio | ..but what mean the "!" before "ppp" ? |
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| 23:18.55 | Gm4n | I'm trying to use the business card netinst via a usb disk. The host fails to find the cd drive, how do I bypass? |
| 23:19.16 | joens | SamuraiDio: http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl5_syslogc.htm |
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| 23:20.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | usb disk? |
| 23:21.08 | Gm4n | sorry, usb thumbdrive |
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| 23:21.27 | Gm4n | it's only a 128mb, so I'm stuck with the super-minimal netinstall |
| 23:21.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | still ENOPARSE... |
| 23:21.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what does it matter if the cd isn't found if you boot from the usb drive? |
| 23:22.00 | NoCode | hmm, anyone getting sound wonkiness? I just upgraded some packages yesterday, and it's quite wonky. |
| 23:22.04 | Gm4n | part of the install process is "Detec and mount CD-ROM" |
| 23:22.10 | NoCode | maybe this update/ upgrade will fi it |
| 23:22.12 | NoCode | fix* |
| 23:22.25 | joens | Gm4n: Check the scripts, maybe add a link to /dev/cdrom ? |
| 23:22.28 | NoCode | I'm in Squeeze, too. :P |
| 23:22.57 | Gm4n | NoCode: I haven't been having any wonkyness, but I'm only on etch or lenny. |
| 23:23.33 | Gm4n | joens, would I link /dev/cdrom to /dev/sdc1? (that's my usb drive) |
| 23:23.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that sounds weird - why would it want to mount from the cdrom drive when it's running from the usb drive |
| 23:23.39 | NoCode | I need to restart my network, it is also wonky. The upgrading is slow. brb |
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| 23:23.59 | Gm4n | no idea CutMeOwnThroat, but it doesn't work on future steps (keeps saying it needs stuff from the CD) |
| 23:24.44 | joens | Gm4n: You have to check how the installer checks for the cdrom drive and then add some more lines to mount the usb drive, checking which device is the startup device I guess (in case of several usb devices) |
| 23:26.01 | Gm4n | joens: you make it sound so easy :P also, busybox doesn't seem to have vi... |
| 23:26.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | it sure does |
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| 23:27.21 | joens | Gm4n: hmm, try to mount the image in a running debian installation and mess around |
| 23:28.45 | joens | maybe http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ can be of help |
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| 23:31.59 | Gm4n | joens: unfortunately, none of the debian live installs are small enough; my USB drive is only 128mb |
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| 23:32.31 | LightKnight | Hello :-) |
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| 23:33.10 | LightKnight | Today I updated my Squeeze and got the new Iceweasel 3.5.5; on closing and restarting I found my whole history has gone away. Any hint on this? |
| 23:33.40 | Gm4n | LightKnight: I've had problems with firefox on ubuntu in the past, so I know that all the relevant stuff is in .mozilla |
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| 23:33.57 | rxt0 | do you know if debian's version of centerim has msn broken? |
| 23:34.04 | rxt0 | *anybody |
| 23:34.53 | abrotman | rxt0: which version of Debian ? |
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| 23:35.05 | rxt0 | abrotman: lenny 5.0.3 |
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| 23:35.13 | abrotman | rxt0: checked the BTS ? |
| 23:35.25 | rxt0 | abrotman: BTS? |
| 23:35.30 | abrotman | vaguely recalls there is a backport of that package |
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| 23:36.20 | abrotman | guess that was for etch .. ignore me |
| 23:36.24 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=centerim;dist=stable |
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| 23:36.49 | rxt0 | oh well, no, i haven't, it's weird though, it was working before installing virt-manager |
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| 23:37.42 | LightKnight | Gm4n: OK, and... apart from this? :-) |
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| 23:38.18 | Gm4n | LightKnight: that's all I know about it |
| 23:38.19 | roler | is there a package that I can easily install in debian that watches brute force attacks, such as on ssh or ftp and bans users who keep trying to log in??? |
| 23:38.27 | LightKnight | Gm4n: ok, thanks :) |
| 23:38.50 | Gm4n | sorry I wasn't more of a help, my experience there has to do with refreshing stale NFS locks, which is probably not what you're doing :P |
| 23:39.02 | themill | roler: /msg dpkg fail2ban |
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| 23:39.34 | bannick | hi im struggling with postfix on lenny |
| 23:39.56 | Gm4n | what's the struggle? |
| 23:39.58 | bannick | can't get it to accept FQDN login |
| 23:40.33 | bannick | mail for user@domain.name gets bounced |
| 23:40.37 | LightKnight | rxt0: I've heard Pidgin had problems with MSN lately, so I guess they changed something in the protocol. |
| 23:40.46 | Gm4n | bannick: first up, check /etc/mailname |
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| 23:41.13 | bannick | Gm4n, no file by that name |
| 23:41.25 | Gm4n | weird |
| 23:41.45 | Gm4n | you could also reconfigure |
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| 23:41.49 | Gm4n | dpkg-reconfigure postfix |
| 23:41.57 | Gm4n | or it might be postfix-config |
| 23:41.57 | abrotman | bannick: you can create it |
| 23:42.16 | bannick | abrotman, ok so what contents then goes in it? |
| 23:42.28 | rxt0 | LightKnight: They've probabbly changed the protocol, but i can login correctly on pidgin |
| 23:42.36 | abrotman | man mailname |
| 23:42.57 | LightKnight | rxt0: hrm, OK, I don't use MSN, so that's all I know :) |
| 23:43.04 | abrotman | though i doubt that's it |
| 23:43.24 | paissad-hp | there's something i don't understand about my svn ? .... |
| 23:43.26 | abrotman | bannick: login from what? a mail client? SMTP? what? |
| 23:43.55 | rxt0 | LightKnight: You're right Screw M$, also i can't ping to hotmail.com, neither live.com |
| 23:44.23 | abrotman | ping? |
| 23:44.35 | bannick | abrotman, ok actually the file existed, just wrong tab in terminal |
| 23:44.45 | paissad-hp | i just installed it, when i do from the server "svnadmin create /var/lib/svn/test/" , it OK, when i checkout from another computer like this "svn co https://my_server/svn/test, everything's ok |
| 23:45.01 | paissad-hp | but when i commit, i see nothing on the server |
| 23:45.38 | paissad-hp | i did touch file1, svn add fil1, svn commit -m "add file1" ..... and it was ok (from my laptop) |
| 23:45.46 | paissad-hp | but onto the server, i see nothing |
| 23:45.57 | themill | paissad-hp: what are you hoping to see? |
| 23:46.04 | abrotman | themill: fireworks! |
| 23:46.13 | bannick | abrotman, still it rejects mail |
| 23:46.20 | paissad-hp | themill, i hoped to see file1 ... |
| 23:46.38 | bannick | abrotman, message: "relay access denied (in reply to RCPT TO command) |
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| 23:46.45 | iceroot | paissad-hp: svn -m "add file" is commiting a log which says "add file" if i am correct |
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| 23:47.03 | abrotman | bannick: so you're trying to send mail from your LAN through your SMTP server ? |
| 23:47.03 | themill | paissad-hp: you won't. All the data gets squirrelled away into /var/lib/svn/test/db/ |
| 23:47.11 | iceroot | paissad-hp: you want svn ci file1 and then write the log-entry with EDITOR |
| 23:47.18 | bannick | abrotman, yupp, correct |
| 23:47.39 | bannick | abrotman, actually it's a ssh tunnel to localhost, but effectively the same |
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| 23:48.06 | paissad-hp | themill, i won't see "file1" into /var/lib/svn/test/ subdirectories ? |
| 23:48.13 | abrotman | bannick: IIRC sounds like you have mynetworks setup wrong .. you may want to check in #postfix or see www.postfix.org for the documentation |
| 23:48.13 | paissad-hp | wherever it is |
| 23:48.20 | roler | themill: fail2ban rocks, thanks! |
| 23:49.00 | themill | paissad-hp: that's right. The repository itself is a binary blob that you don't look into. To test it, try checking out somewhere else. |
| 23:49.13 | themill | roler: yeah, it's not a bad tool for this sort of thing. |
| 23:49.14 | paissad-hp | iceroot, what i did is " svn commit . -m "add file1" |
| 23:50.19 | iceroot | paissad-hp: ah ok, didnt see . |
| 23:50.21 | roler | themill: very interesting. I just installed it on two of my servers (at the same data center but different IPs). This one robot who was flooding me was instantly banned on both servers. now, a new IP address is scanning both servers. very interesting indeed |
| 23:50.32 | paissad-hp | iceroot, then, where am i wrong ? |
| 23:50.42 | abrotman | roler: get used toit |
| 23:50.55 | iceroot | paissad-hp: what is svn up && svn log showing at the pc you want to get the file? |
| 23:51.00 | paissad-hp | why don't i see file1 into any subdirectory of /var/lib/svn/test |
| 23:51.13 | themill | paissad-hp: you're not wrong, you're just missing that the working copy structure and the repo structure are different. |
| 23:51.14 | paissad-hp | iceroot, one sec |
| 23:51.18 | iceroot | paissad-hp: also check svn status -u at the working copy |
| 23:51.22 | bannick | abrotman, ok thanks trying there |
| 23:51.35 | themill | roler: yes... and they'll work through the alphabet of usernames too :S |
| 23:51.42 | bannick | abrotman, thank you for the directions |
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| 23:52.15 | paissad-hp | iceroot, on my laptop |
| 23:52.16 | paissad-hp | @paissad-hp:~/Documents/m1_IC/test$ LANG=C svn up |
| 23:52.16 | paissad-hp | At revision 4. |
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| 23:52.48 | paissad-hp | iceroot, on my server |
| 23:52.49 | paissad-hp | @paissad-server:/var/lib/svn/test$ LANG=C svn up |
| 23:52.49 | paissad-hp | Skipped '.' |
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| 23:53.16 | iceroot | paissad-hp: svn status -u on the pc you are doing the commit |
| 23:53.18 | themill | paissad-hp: there's no working copy in /var/lib/svn/test on the server though. |
| 23:53.36 | themill | iceroot: you're answering a different question, I think. |
| 23:53.39 | paissad-hp | iceroot, @paissad-hp:~/Documents/m1_IC/test$ LANG=C svn status -u |
| 23:53.40 | paissad-hp | Status against revision: 4 |
| 23:53.50 | nyk2005 | What's the simplest way to configure an apache2 virtual host to permanently redirect any request to a constant URL (on a differnt server)? |
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| 23:54.02 | iceroot | themill: hm, maybe i get his question wrong |
| 23:54.12 | roler | themill: is there such a script for proftpd or an add-on for fail2ban? |
| 23:54.35 | themill | iceroot: he wants to see the file he checked in inside the repository on the server (i.e. not in a checkout) |
| 23:54.35 | paissad-hp | themill, on the server, i just ran "svnadmin create /var/lib/svn/test" and nothing else except a chmod |
| 23:54.44 | iceroot | themill: ah ok |
| 23:54.47 | themill | paissad-hp: please reread what I've told you |
| 23:54.50 | Kobaz | roler: i don't know if there is one offhand... but look at the one for pureftpd, and you can probably easily make one for proftp |
| 23:54.58 | paissad-hp | themill, about the copy ? |
| 23:55.15 | themill | roler: look in /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/ |
| 23:55.33 | iceroot | themill: i thought if he is using svn up on another workig copy, the last revision cant be checked out |
| 23:55.36 | paissad-hp | themill, am i obliged to create a copy on the server before anything else ? .... |
| 23:56.09 | roler | themill: thanks! |
| 23:56.25 | themill | paissad-hp: there is only one command that make sense on the server and that is "svnadmin create" after that, you have to "svn co" somewhere to see what's in the repository. |
| 23:56.37 | roler | themill: wow there is a proftp script in there, awesome! |
| 23:56.38 | cliff_ | Is there a way to have vncserver start something other than gnome-session by default? |
| 23:56.42 | cliff_ | Like, for example, use twm? |
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| 23:57.19 | paissad-hp | themill, ok, but normally when i do a "svn commit" from another computer, the server should retreive the files ? ..... but i don't see them |
| 23:57.21 | themill | iceroot: he's trying to svn update on the repo itself. he did "svnadmin create /var/lib/svn" and then "svn up" in /var/lib/svn.... |
| 23:57.30 | themill | paissad-hp: YOU CANNOT SEE THEM ON THE SERVER |
| 23:57.30 | paissad-hp | that's what disturb me :s |
| 23:57.58 | paissad-hp | themill, oh ok .. got it :D |
| 23:58.26 | themill | !svn book |
| 23:58.43 | themill | dpkg, stupid bot |
| 23:58.43 | dpkg | no, stupid themill |
| 23:58.52 | paissad-hp | lol |
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| 23:59.08 | themill | paissad-hp: good reading and explanations: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ |
| 23:59.31 | paissad-hp | themill, thx |
