IRC log for #debian on 20091210

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00:00.37icerootthemill: ok
00:00.58paissad-hpthemill, indeed, i went to /tmp directory, i ran svn co ****, i got the files from the server ....:)
00:01.07themillyay!
00:01.32paissad-hpactually, the files are saved differently by svn ... just like sgbd do
00:01.40paissad-hpIIUC
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00:02.30paissad-hpthat's it ?
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00:05.16ali3nwhat package has gmake?
00:05.31CutMeOwnThroat!tell ali3n -about apt-file
00:05.40abrotman!b-e ali3n
00:05.41dpkgali3n: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
00:05.42abrotmanagain ...
00:05.44CutMeOwnThroatmm, but in this case...
00:05.44CutMeOwnThroatyeah
00:05.57CutMeOwnThroatabrotman got it
00:06.01ali3nmy apt-get search is broken lol
00:06.16ali3nabrotman that was done cause i didnt have make remember?
00:06.18CutMeOwnThroatuh... new way of forwarding?
00:06.22CutMeOwnThroat!b-e CutMeOwnThroat
00:06.23dpkgCutMeOwnThroat: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
00:06.24phorce1ali3n: no such animal as apt-get search
00:06.28rxt0ali3n: try apt-cache search ?
00:06.34CutMeOwnThroat... or not :)
00:06.41CutMeOwnThroat!b-e ali3n
00:06.42dpkgali3n: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential.
00:06.49CutMeOwnThroatabrotman, you're being ignored again?
00:07.21CutMeOwnThroatoh noes, he's ignoring me in turn!
00:07.21ali3nbuild-essential is already done so please dont tell me to do it
00:07.32CutMeOwnThroatbut make is part of it
00:07.46CutMeOwnThroatand the make which is used is gmake
00:07.54ali3ni dont have gmake
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00:09.33CutMeOwnThroatthe make you have *is* gnu make, i.e. gmake
00:10.14abrotmanali3n: you responded to it
00:10.32CutMeOwnThroatfunnily it's indeed not called that way
00:10.44abrotmandpkg: find bin/gmake lenny
00:10.51CutMeOwnThroatI just looked
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00:11.06CutMeOwnThroatthe package is "make" but it's only bin/make, there is no bin/gmake
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00:12.36abrotmanis'nt there an eggdrop package ?
00:12.42abrotmanjudd: versions eggdrop
00:12.43juddabrotman: eggdrop -- etch: 1.6.18-1etch1 etch-security: 1.6.18-1etch2 lenny: 1.6.19-1.1 lenny-security: 1.6.19-1.1+lenny1 sid: 1.6.19-1.2 squeeze: 1.6.19-1.2
00:12.46abrotmanwtf .. use that
00:13.03themillgmake is what gnu make gets called on some other unices that also have their own proprietary make.
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00:13.45CutMeOwnThroatyeah... that's what I figured - probably there is little use calling it gmake on a GNU/linux system
00:13.59CutMeOwnThroatalthough I'd have thought there'd still be a symlink
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00:14.32themilla non-broken makefile shouldn't care
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00:17.27jairhello guys. I run into an interesting issue with one of the customers I support.  The scenario is the follow:  we have two network 10.66.xx.xx and 10.71.xx.xx each of this newtworks use their own dns server ( 10.66.2.21) and (10.71.1.21) a machine running debian on the network 10.71.xx.xx has on "/etc/resolv.conf" nameserver 10.71.1.21 and the next line 10.66.2.21
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00:18.01acu07ekiga 3.2.6 in Squeeze AMD gives segmentation fault immediately as soon as it connects to other client - why - what is the solution ?
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00:18.38jairwhen I dig or nslookup a machine from the network 10.71.xx.xx the machine resolves but if I try resolving a machine on the network 10.66.xx.xx It can't.
00:19.22CutMeOwnThroat!tell acu07 -about bts
00:19.23jairusing windows machines I add the two dns servers and they work but I am not sure if there is a way to get it work on Linux
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00:21.41CutMeOwnThroatI don't think having several nameservers is supposed to work that way
00:21.51jairdo you guys understand the issue?
00:22.25jairCutMeOwnThroat: in windows works though...  basically it try the first dns server and then try the second one.
00:22.37rxt0no sure about this but
00:22.48rxt0!tell jair about override dns
00:23.21rxt0!tell jair about fixresolvconf
00:23.35jairCutMeOwnThroat: so I am assuming that in debian, when it see the dns working it just stop and does not try to go to the next one
00:23.40CutMeOwnThroatjair, I think it's only supposed to try the alternative dns if it doesn't get an answer from the 1st one, not if the 1st one returns no answer
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00:23.55jairCutMeOwnThroat: correct
00:24.01jairthat is what I was assuming
00:24.12CutMeOwnThroatand even with using the alternative one on no response, I had the feeling that it didn't really work for a long time
00:24.22jairbut is there a way to make this works like windows clients?
00:25.01CutMeOwnThroatjair, I guess you need your own local dns server for that, which looks up things on several external DNS servers....
00:25.07envirocbrjair: I believe with Windos clients the alternate is there if they can't contact the first
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00:25.49jairenvirocbr: correct
00:26.08envirocbralso, I see that you are using two DNS servers that appear to be on two different subnets
00:26.11jairCutMeOwnThroat: what do you mean I have two dns servers bit they are serving their own networks.
00:26.14envirocbrIs this correct?
00:26.21jairyes
00:26.24envirocbrjair: What is the subnet mask?
00:26.33jairenvirocbr: 24bit
00:26.38envirocbrlol
00:26.39jairbut it works on windows though
00:26.43envirocbrthey are on different subnets then
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00:26.55KiloBravoEightis it 16 or 24 bit?
00:27.08KiloBravoEightits a 8 bit net naturally
00:27.16envirocbrjair: i am sure, if you print your routing table I am sure you might have a path out to contact it
00:27.19jairI knew you were going to laugh like an smart ass. but how can you answer that without changing anything works on windows and not on linux
00:27.21envirocbrKiloBravoEight: If you are thinking classful
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00:27.56jairright this may be that linux just works differently or may be a network architecture issue
00:27.57KiloBravoEightnaturally, its classified a class A, yes ... but he shown /16 nets to start, now says they're /24
00:28.29jairhere: 10.66.xxx.xxx/24 and 10.71.xxx.xxx/24
00:28.31envirocbrjair: i am not saying it won't work, but it is interesting
00:28.38jairright
00:28.44CutMeOwnThroatjair, how can we answer that... magic - or a huge conspiracy? :-P
00:28.46envirocbrgenerally if you have local DNS you place them inside the same subnet
00:28.48KiloBravoEight10.66.what.xxx ?
00:28.55jairI am just asking since I haven't run into this isssue before
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00:29.10envirocbrjair: have you verified that it works this way in Windows?
00:29.22envirocbrWhat if you remove the other one that resides on the different subnet?
00:29.23jairI will verify right now
00:29.32envirocbrok, clear your DNS cache as well
00:29.37envirocbrand since it's windos youmight as well restart it
00:29.42jairenvirocbr: then it works on that network fine
00:29.53jairbut not on the other one obviously
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00:30.04envirocbrYou are losing me
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00:30.25jairenvirocbr: let's stop.  and let me do the test and paste results on paste.debian.net
00:30.29jairbear with me please
00:30.31CutMeOwnThroatacu07, you surely found http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530735 by now
00:30.33envirocbr10-4
00:30.45envirocbrHave you verified that the dns server you are attempting to use is working?
00:30.50envirocbris it plugged in and powered on?
00:31.00envirocbr:P
00:31.19KiloBravoEight* is it plugged in? that is a common problem *
00:31.30envirocbrgoes through this everyday with certain networks...aside from hosing websites on accident while trying to install pHpMyadmin
00:32.18envirocbrKiloBravoEight: I had a "unix admin" yell at me and call me inexperienced when he failed to check that his Ethernet cable was plugged in completely by hand. It appeared to be plugged in...but it wasn't ;)
00:32.49envirocbrI have learned through trial and error (and pissing people off) to check the basics first
00:32.58KiloBravoEightenvirocbr,  i've had that happen a few times, had to replace network cards because of it
00:33.46envirocbrKiloBravoEight: We deploy untangle firewalls and we were using marvell Ethernet controllers which "work" but not completely. interesting little issues with those cheap Ethernet chipsets
00:33.54]pablo[anyone tried dist-upgrading from lenny to squeeze succesfully in amd64?
00:34.05]pablo[lately
00:34.29]pablo[hal post-install fails and blocks the rest of postinstalls
00:34.32]pablo[:(
00:35.02envirocbrjair: Why so long to pastebin?
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00:35.52CutMeOwnThroat!tell ]pablo[ -about bts
00:36.14CutMeOwnThroatspecifically #469528
00:36.35CutMeOwnThroatmmm, that's echo->lenny though
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00:40.02sWhy must it take so many cycles of uninstalling things via aptitude to finally clean them all out?
00:40.15]pablo[CutMeOwnThroat: right, I know that bug
00:40.26]pablo[but looks like there's nobody working on it actively
00:40.44CutMeOwnThroatwell, it's etch->lenny
00:40.52]pablo[yeah it started old :(
00:40.54CutMeOwnThroatanyway, those are normally not hard to fix
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00:41.26]pablo[i have 2 problems with dist-upgrade actually, maybe someone here can give me some insight
00:41.26themillsandman__: please try to be more vague if possible. There's still a change we might know what you mean.
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00:41.40CutMeOwnThroate.g. edit the postinstall script to use #!/bin/bash -x
00:41.46sandman__Is there any good reason why I must uninstall all GNOME and Desktop packages so many times over
00:41.51sandman__Such that they finally get uninstalled?
00:41.57]pablo[the other problem is: in the middle of the dist-upgrade the wallpaper disappears, and network complains that it doesn't find some resource ( i think its the icons)
00:42.07sandman__I'm merely trying to uninstalleverything under hte GNOME Task and everything under the Desktop Task
00:42.12CodeNinja>.> there is no help for me... is dbus some unknown subject that only hermits know of?
00:42.23envirocbrwhoa
00:42.28]pablo[then, when i reboot (after hal breaks the postinstall), i can't see the startup messages, and I get a message from my monitor saying it's out of range
00:42.32sandman__And it keeps telling me that things are broken, and that I must resolve it or wwhatever. So I keep applying its suggestions when it says there are things broken, and then I hit "g"
00:42.41CutMeOwnThroat]pablo[, or, if you just want to proceed, place "exit" on line 2 of the script... that'll make it succeed (though without doing whatever it was supposed to do)
00:42.42sandman__Every time a few packages get uninstalled. But never all of them
00:42.52sandman__I'm still cycling through uninstalling these tasks...
00:43.06themilldpkg: tell sandman__ about remove gnome
00:43.16CutMeOwnThroatthemill, he didn't say anything? how can you be more vague than THAT?
00:43.27themillCutMeOwnThroat: sandman__ == s
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00:43.49]pablo[any ideas about the other problem CutMeOwnThroat ?
00:44.25CutMeOwnThroatboot into single-user mode and fix your xorg.conf?
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00:44.32]pablo[it's before that
00:44.42]pablo[i can't see even the basic startup messages
00:44.49sandman__Gotchya. How would I have figured that out without coming here, BTW?
00:44.50jairenvirocbr: =) you were right. it does not work in windows LOL
00:44.55sandman__Such that I don't need to bug you guys about this sort of thin g=)
00:44.59envirocbrjair: I only work with this all day long
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00:45.20jairenvirocbr: =)
00:45.30envirocbrit may work if there is a static route placed in your routing table
00:45.39envirocbrtry that and see if it works...be one hell of an experiment
00:45.55themillsandman__: in principle, just "aptitude remove gnome" would be enough, but not if you've also manually installed other bits.
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00:47.30envirocbrbut then again, your router will need to have a route in it's table to forward the packet
00:47.32sandman__themill: All I did was hit "+" on the GNOME and Desktop task under aptitude
00:47.51sandman__Now I'm hitting "_" on those said Tasks, and it is taking many, many runs to finally uninstall it all.
00:48.18themillsandman__: I never use the aptitude interface so I can't comment on that.
00:48.51sandman__I see.
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00:50.15envirocbrloves his bud light lime
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00:50.45jairenvirocbr: so do you understand what is the problem here?
00:50.47markybobhis?  only chicks drink bud light lime :P
00:51.28jairenvirocbr: I am just wondering what can be done to accomplish have one machine to access both dns servers and mappings, maybe it is a network comfiguration?
00:52.08envirocbrmarkybob: I am a dude and I prefer this over Corona with lime
00:52.14sandman__Is there a way to sort of re-wind my system, I wonder
00:52.17sandman__With aptitude?
00:52.21SuperMigueljair, set up a netork bride
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00:53.30themillsandman__: /msg dpkg uninstall everything
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00:53.45dutchfishhi, which #channel was it again to ask a very specific question about the debian kernel?
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00:54.30jelly-home!trunk kernel
00:54.31dpkgDebian kernel snapshot packages are not available from kernel-archive.buildserver.net due to a UPS failure.  Ask me about <kernel package> instead, see also http://wiki.debian.org/HowToRebuildAnOfficialDebianKernelPackage .  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel  #debian-kernel on irc.debian.org.
00:55.34envirocbrjair: you will need to ensure that you have a route to the next network
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00:55.50envirocbrimagine that it is trying to use that DNS server on the other network but the machine doesn't have a route
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00:55.58envirocbrin which case it should, the default route
00:56.14envirocbrbut once it hits the router that router needs to know where to send that packet
00:56.31gaugeDoes Debian have a Benchmarking tool they recomend?
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00:57.22envirocbrwhatever routing protocol you use should dynamically learn the routes, but in some cases the route needs to be input statically
00:57.56envirocbrIt is the same concept as setting up DNS servers to use your ISP's
00:58.38envirocbrthey don't reside in the network so it uses the default route and then your router sends it out to another route (or possibly straight to the DNS if it resides on the same subnet)
00:58.56jairenvirocbr: understand
00:59.10envirocbrSo I would start by looking at the routers inside your network to see if they know each other exist and are connected
00:59.23CutMeOwnThroatgauge, benchmarking _what_
00:59.23envirocbrif they are connected they should have learned their routes by now, if not, input them by hand
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00:59.43envirocbrif they aren't connected you should find a way
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01:00.04jairenvirocbr: so i may be able to put something like: 10.66.0.0 255.255.0.0 and then the machine ip destination.
01:00.43envirocbrjust input that route into the router
01:00.48jairenvirocbr: if I add a route to the machine that is trying to access the machines on the two networks resolving with the two dns servers
01:00.55CutMeOwnThroatgauge, for a program "time"? else... bonnie++?
01:01.05ali3nwhat package is zlib in?
01:01.09sandman__I wish there were a way to look at all the packages I have installed, and sort them by date installed.
01:01.11jairI see, my router is a cisco switch
01:01.13ali3ntheres a couple and im not sure
01:01.22jelly-homeali3n: what do you need it for?
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01:01.25envirocbrjair: by default your machine will use the deafult route
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01:01.35ali3nfor chybraid
01:01.36ali3n:D
01:01.41envirocbrI have to run...annoying SBS 2003 issue i have to resolve
01:01.44ali3ncharybdis
01:01.44ali3n*
01:01.45jairenvirocbr: but this is just one server doing that, basically bridging so we will need the route only on that server machine
01:01.49jelly-homeali3n: to build something?
01:01.53jairenvirocbr: correct =)
01:02.00jairlet me try that
01:02.07ali3n./home/darkstar/ircd//etc/ircd.conf", line 209: Ignoring connect::flags::compressed -- zlib not available.
01:02.20markybobali3n, install zlib1g-dev
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01:02.46ali3nthanks :)
01:02.59jairenvirocbr: one moment I will see if i can try input the route.  Thank you so much I think that the route makes a lot of sense
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01:03.21ali3nthat didnt work still
01:03.27ali3nstill get the error
01:03.55jelly-homeali3n: you _will_ have to reconfigure and rebuild it
01:03.58markybobali3n, you probably have to clear the cache/log files
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01:05.44ali3nk im working on it now :)
01:05.52abrotmanali3n: why aren't you using the Debian package ?
01:06.09ali3nwhich one?
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01:07.06abrotmanthe eggdrop package ?
01:07.18ali3nfixed :)
01:07.21ali3nthis isnt eggdrop lol
01:07.23ali3nits an ircd
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01:09.03LordVorpOK: I have an onboard realtek nic.  The lenny kernel loads r8169 and is known broken.  I located, built, & installed the r8101 module from realtek, and that works... BUT
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01:09.16LordVorphow do I tell the system to NOT load the r8169 module but instead load r8101 for eth0?
01:09.37markybobLordVorp, add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
01:09.39LordVorpI tried adding: alias eth0 r8101 to /etc/modutils files, but that doesn't seem to work
01:09.40LordVorpoh
01:09.54LordVorpis there a manpage for that file?
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01:10.14markybob!blacklist
01:10.14dpkgIn etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name".  If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'.  IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>.  To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>.  http://wiki.debian.org/KernelModuleBlacklisting
01:10.51LordVorpOK, and the blacklist entry is for the module I *want*, or for the one I'm trying to block?
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01:11.10markybobLordVorp, block. the one you want you wadd to /etc/modules
01:11.19markybobs/wadd/add
01:11.36LordVorpso, add the bad one to modprobe.d/blacklist, and the good one to /etc/modules?
01:11.56simonrvnyes
01:11.57markybobyes
01:12.02LordVorpawesome. thanks guys
01:12.06LordVorpruns to try it
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01:17.13jairenvirocbr: wait a minute.  on the router most be a route already
01:18.03jairenvirocbr: because if I am on the (10.66.23.7) and try to ping 10.71.1.21 without using any route, I get ping back.
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01:18.42jairenvirocbr: so I can actually talk to the 10.xx.xx.xx from 10.66.23.7
01:18.49jairso there is a route on the router
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01:19.34SerajewelKSdoes anyone know of a way with wget that i can specify -I per-host instead of across all hosts?
01:19.51jairenvirocbr: ?
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01:25.07LordVorpso, I tried the module blacklisting stuff and it failed to have any effect.  A review of dmesg shows the r8169 being loaded before root filesystem.  that sez "initrd" to me.  so I ran dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 and rebooted... and now it hangs at "waiting for root filesystem." GRRRR!!!!
01:25.32LordVorpand no, i'm not booting from the nic, it's a sata drive.
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01:26.45dondelelcaroSerajewelKS: not to my knowledge, but presumably you're ok downloading them all
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01:30.28SerajewelKSdondelelcaro: yes, though it would not be optimal
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01:31.13SerajewelKSwget would be so much more awesome if i could pass a script/executable to run whose exit code would determine whether to follow a particular URL
01:31.23SerajewelKSin fact, i'm very surprised that there is no such option
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01:35.44CutMeOwnThroatto run on what
01:36.28SerajewelKSCutMeOwnThroat: ?
01:37.32dvsSerajewelKS, that seems backwards to me
01:38.15SerajewelKSdvs: pardon?
01:38.49dvsSerajewelKS, about wget running a script
01:39.39SerajewelKSdvs: wget already has the logic to parse HTML looking for links.  so why should i duplicate that?
01:40.02SerajewelKSdvs: it would be more useful to have that logic there and let me specify a script that will accept or reject a URL for recursive download.
01:40.22DogBoyheh
01:40.41dvsO I C
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02:06.57ddaltonanyone had any experience with either acer travel mate 6293, hp compaq 6530s, or hp compaq 610?
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02:07.45gaugeCutMeOwnThroat: Sorry.  Hey.  Well, I've got debian on a few different arcetectures and was wonderign what was "faster".
02:08.01gaugeso CPU mostly, maybe IO too.
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02:22.45NoCodethat upgrade helped my issues. :)
02:23.08NoCodeno more video, or audio stuttering while scrolling or doing other stuff.
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02:33.11rgra fairly general query here, but anyone else using testing and having their laptop freeze after an hour or two when the screen ahs blanked? Thinkpad x30. It didn't happen before but the latest kernel update 2.6.30-2 is causing it to lock solid and have to power off, then restartm then it freezes with a disk error, I C-d to continue and the it reboots and restarts with no issuse.
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02:38.33abrotmanturn off the GL screensavers
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02:38.56TiMiDOwhat's the command to connect to a wirelless connection with passwd?
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02:40.53ali_I can connect to my debian ssh server fine outwith my local network, but when i try to connect from within my local network, it times out (both ssh and sftp) any idea why?
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02:42.15TiMiDOwhat's the command to connect to a wirelless connection with passwd?
02:42.31gaugeTiMiDO: man iwconfig
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02:42.47newsenseTiMiDO: wep ?
02:42.54TiMiDOyeah
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02:43.36newsenseiwconfig <interface> enc <key>
02:44.50TiMiDOnewsense, but how do i connect to my network though
02:45.15newsenseTiMiDO: iwconfig <interface> essid <ssid>
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02:46.00TiMiDOty
02:46.02TiMiDOvery much
02:46.08newsenseTiMiDO: no problem
02:46.47newsenseTiMiDO: wpa-supplicant is nice even if you don't use wpa to do this automatically for you
02:47.06newsenselook into it i use it even though i have to use wep here
02:47.18TiMiDOE: Couldn't find package wpa-supplicant
02:47.40newsensewpasupplicant sorry
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02:49.31abrotmanTiMiDO: which version of debian ?
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02:55.13TiMiDODEBIAN Squeeze
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02:55.51ali_Sorry, I was disconnected, anyone suggest anything?]
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02:59.19hungnvI configured my client to login using information stored on ldap server, when all finish, nss, pam, I restart client and x cannot start
02:59.31hungnvwhat should I check, debinan lenny stable
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03:00.17nsadminali_ what physical distance is "your debian ssh server" from machines on "your local net"
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03:00.57abrotman42
03:01.15nsadminless than 2 feet? more than 10 miles?
03:01.24ali_nsadmin: about 7 meters, why would that make any difference?
03:01.59nsadminok, let's get some names here... what's a name we can use for your server?
03:02.27ali_flac will do
03:02.43nsadminok, is flac inside your local net?
03:02.49ali_yup
03:03.04nsadminand what's the netmask?
03:03.44nsadminmost common, I suppose is /24 == 255.255.255.0
03:03.59ali_255.255.255.0
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03:04.28nsadminok, so far, I'm guessing the delay is due to lack of reverse dns
03:04.47nsadmin(and maybe forward too)
03:05.00ali_well, it times out when ever i try to connect
03:05.23ali_it's fine when i'm connecting remotely though
03:05.25nsadmintry this...
03:05.39abrotmanso make an entry in your /etc/hosts for the machine you're coming from
03:05.43abrotmanor tell the sshd not to care
03:05.57nsadminyeah, try the former
03:06.09nsadminthat is...
03:06.24nsadminmake up a name for the machine you're connecting from
03:06.38nsadminthen put that name and its IP into the /etc/hosts file of flac
03:06.41abrotmanprefers scooby-snack
03:07.11nsadminthrows a scooby snack high in the air...
03:07.28ali_two minutes, need to pop upstairs and try that
03:08.35nsadminif that removes the delay... you might consider having a dns server runnign for the internal machines and authoritative over a domain like ali.internal.
03:08.35ali_Yup, thats done the trick.
03:08.40ali_Cheers guys
03:09.49ali_nsadmin: Sounds like a good project, I'm away most of the year and hadn't noticed this until now
03:09.54chompskieshi all, i can't find it in the manpage, but is it possible to pass multiple '-exec command \;' to find?
03:10.14chompskiesdunno where to ask this question properly, either
03:10.46chompskiessay, instead of just -exec rm -rf '{}' \;  I'd like to print out {} first
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03:12.06nsadminali_: don't forget you'll need two (i.e., both) kinds of dns: reverse -and- forward
03:13.02nsadminchompskies: there is -pring
03:13.03nsadminerr
03:13.07nsadmin-print
03:14.15Trampchompskies: there is "-ok" iirc
03:14.46nsadminbut, the answer to your question is definitely yes... remember that the part of the command after the dir(s) is an "expression" (which -exec ... \; is part of)
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03:17.15gaugeanyone here ever overclocked w/ debian?
03:17.31abrotmandoes the OS matter ?
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03:18.00SuperMiguelabrotman, some kids use the OS to OC :P
03:18.26abrotmanassumes everyone that OCs is a kid
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03:18.48SuperMiguelabrotman, some time aduls like to do kids stuff?
03:18.54SuperMigueladults*
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03:19.14gaugeI've never overclocked before but I think I have a few prossesors that'd take to it very well.
03:19.25DogBoyI have done it before
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03:20.13gauge..and none ofthem have options in the bios.
03:20.13SuperMiguelgauge, what MB do you have?
03:20.13chompskiesnsadmin: oh, -print was pretty obvious, wasn't it
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03:20.13DogBoycomes in handy when you're encoding video
03:20.13jpinx-eeepcis overclocked
03:20.25gaugeSuperMiguel: they're laptops.  none are dell.
03:20.30DogBoyI specifically bought the processor I have to oc
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03:20.35SuperMiguelgauge, umm you may have issues OC.. most of the laptop companies wont let you OC
03:20.47SuperMiguelgauge, what brand and model is it?
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03:20.47jpinx-eeepcSuperMiguel: it was easy on my eeepc
03:20.47gaugeDogBoy: how'd it go?
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03:20.53DogBoyit worked
03:20.53gaugeSuperMiguel: I'm aware.
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03:20.59jpinx-eeepcSuperMiguel: 701 asus
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03:21.01gaugebut I have a 300mhz P2 that (might) be able to go to 400mhz.
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03:21.33chompskiesnsadmin: I'm guessing -printf _format_ allows me to modify -print output too?
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03:21.40gaugeSuperMiguel: like I said I'm looking to OC a few of my machines.  but now I'm lookign at my toughbook CF-27.
03:22.00DogBoyI have several machines that are oc
03:22.02chompskiese.g. to insert tab before output inline
03:22.10prince_jammyschompskies: yep, see ''man find'' for special format strings
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03:22.26DogBoylet's see... 7 different ones in fact, not counting my desktop
03:22.33DogBoyall running debian
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03:23.00chompskiesoh no, printf is separate from print
03:23.14prince_jammysit's its own action
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03:23.21chompskiesprint being inflexible
03:23.28chompskiesprince_jammys: yeah
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03:23.34gaugeare there any good tools to find out cpu info?  other than dmidecode and cpuid ?
03:23.40chompskiessorry for going offtopic
03:24.44DogBoycat /proc/cpuinfo
03:24.51DogBoyonly one I ever used
03:25.24gaugeaye.  I forgot to mention that one.  I <3 reading /proc/*
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03:42.40Mish-Is there an easy way to install just a single package from the list that aptitude is saying is available from an "aptitiude update"?  I'd like to be able to say "aptitude upgrade mysql-server" for example and leave apache2 unupdated.
03:42.55nevynyeah
03:43.02nevynaptitude install mysql-server
03:43.19nevynthis will update to a newer revision and resolve dependancies
03:43.34Mish-So dependancies get upgraded automagically as well?
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03:58.44SuperMiguelpickcoder, lol
03:59.44debiansidpickcoder: won't happen :P
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04:01.36pickcoderguess I scared abrotman off
04:02.53nsadmindebiansid as a nick identifying a person... there's always no way of telling whether that's supportable... debian sid as an identifier of that part of debian in which all the dev action takes place... that's not supportable here... debiansid should get familiar with the bts so he can support his own debian sid...
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04:05.46debiansidnsadmin: Ah, I kinda guessed that pickcoder was a bot. I know what debiansid is about; I've been using (and being) it for some years now :)
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04:07.24nsadmindebiansid: good enough... as for me, I'll be keeping separate debiansid from debian sid :)
04:07.52nsadminfor the sake of my own mind...
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04:13.11pickcoderis no bot
04:13.29nsadmin!dpkg is not no bot
04:13.43nsadmin!test
04:13.43dpkgTest failed.
04:13.56prince_jammys!confuse me
04:13.56dpkgNo, them are your snake today, prince_jammys?  Pants of the People's Republic of Micronesia with extra ham.
04:14.07pickcoderI like extra cheese
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04:21.21blackmanhello. Is there a package for vultures nethack patch? http://clivecrous.github.com/vultures/
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04:22.52nsadmin!confuse extra cheese
04:22.52dpkgYes, where was their gouda tomorrow, extra cheese?  Trousers of the Dictatorship of Tahiti with extra cream.
04:23.35pickcoderheh
04:23.39pickcoderthat's a yummy one
04:23.41nsadminblackman: maybe you could get the source package and then apply the patch
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04:24.43nsadminyou guys need to replace that and "any ideas"
04:25.26nsadminit is kinda cool and all :) there's only one form apiece tho :)
04:25.45blackmannsadmin: you haven't seen the package
04:26.06nsadminnope
04:27.04nsadminbut I have pointed you to a potential way to get a package
04:27.20nsadminor simply to get what you want
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04:40.30flyinprogramerso the windows people are useles... maybe someone smart in here can step it up: so... cute problem... windows vista sp2 - just upgraded to IE8 - pre IE8, IE7 could get internet, new install of firefox could not, post install both don't have internet, firewall is off, other things such as desktop widgets do get internet, ping works
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04:40.50Zargle_Hey
04:41.00nsadminso I'm running iceweasel 2.0.0.19 and not running any plugins (made sure) and it's leaking without anything to make it leak... what's up wit that
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04:41.02Zargle_mind if i ask a question about a girl I like?
04:41.12Zargle_debian is like a girl
04:41.28nsadminZargle_: DebiAn?
04:41.29flyinprogramerhey - clearly its not busy... so does off topic really matter?
04:41.36LittleDedPenguin!confuse any ideas
04:41.37dpkgYes, what was my ferret tomorrow, any ideas?  Wellies of the Democracy of Swaziland with extra crabpaste.
04:41.38flyinprogramerits remotely related
04:42.15nsadminwhy, because debian is connected to the internet therefore it's a remote to your machine
04:42.18nsadmin?
04:43.07nsadminZargle_: look... if you want to get good with women you have to do one thing:
04:43.14nsadminapproach 1000 women
04:43.27nsadminperiod. end statement.
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04:44.38Zargle_Ok so this girl I like would be my first girlfriend... never had a kiss or hold hands... Not ugly just been in private schulezz and really didn't have many options... So this girl has rejected me 5 times but today she asked me to sit on the bus next to her... So when we get there she held my arm... cause we wen't ice skating... i dont know if she was cold or something... but she kind of got close and I tried to hold her hand and she let me but
04:44.39Zargle_rest of the trip she wasn't so close..
04:44.51Zargle_What should i do? she i try and ask her out AGAIN or do you think it might have just been today?
04:44.51nsadminnow... see if you can approach one... then you'll have only 999 to go
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04:46.11nsadminZargle_: you're still here? go approach.
04:46.24Zargle_like go up to here
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04:47.03Zargle_there is a dance this friday...
04:47.30Zargleand she already is going with her friend girl  and so should I ask her for the dance? i dont know...
04:47.52nsadminZargle: you have this common disease
04:47.54nsadmincalled
04:47.58nsadminONEitis
04:48.05ZargleONEitis?
04:48.16butterballlol
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04:48.47nsadminyou won't get rid of it until you go make out with 10 others
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04:49.05Zargleitis: forming names of inflammatory diseases
04:49.17Zarglelol
04:49.28ZargleThere are 16 kids in my 9th grade high school class.
04:49.32Zargleand 38... in the school
04:49.45Zarglethere arent 10 hot girls within 2 years of age
04:49.52nsadminoh, so traveling is in your future
04:50.06nsadminwhat's the nearest big city
04:50.11Zargle:P i travel but idk...
04:50.17ZargleCREPPER
04:50.25Zargle... San Fransisco
04:50.28Zarglelol
04:50.32Zarglelike 7 hours away
04:50.35Zarglei live in the middle of nowwwwwware
04:50.52nsadminwhich direction
04:50.56ZargleWTF>...
04:51.04ZargleHOW does this help me atall..
04:51.34ZargleSOOOOOOOO
04:51.36nsadminthis would help you by exposing you to as many women as possible
04:51.39Zargleshould i ask her text her call her
04:51.50Zargleim in 9th GRADE
04:51.57nsadminI don't support oneitis :)
04:52.00LittleDedPenguinyou whine too much, that is why she doesn't like you
04:52.11Zargleyepp....
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04:53.05LittleDedPenguinwhat would you do with her, if she decide to hang around with you?
04:53.30ZargleI would prob get close hold her hand... depending on what she would do would decide what i would do :P
04:54.17LittleDedPenguinyeah, i'd bet you'd be one of those bodies burried in the field up the road, boys who touched my freshman daughter
04:54.39butterballwho needs a tv :)
04:55.28ZargleWTF... im a nice guy..
04:55.33nsadminZargle: do you have dances?
04:55.36Zarglei dont force girl doing anything they dont want...
04:55.41ZargleYes there is one on friday
04:55.42ZargleTHIS friday
04:55.46nsadmingo there
04:55.54Zarglelike every otehr school in California
04:55.56nsadmintalk to EVERYONE there
04:55.59ZargleI AM WILL YOU BE THERE TO
04:56.18Zargle:D
04:56.20ZargleOk
04:56.21Zargleso
04:56.24Zarglei go to the dance
04:56.27Zargletalk to everyone
04:56.32SuperMiguelgo now
04:56.43butterballcan you dance?
04:56.49Zargleand happen to see her... I start talking to her and try and get her alone... And then i ask her if she wants to go see a movie or hang out...
04:57.04nsadminwhen you walk in to that place, you have this mindset: it's YOUR party. and you will talk to everyone and make sure they're having fun at YOUR party.
04:57.09ZargleIF she says no i start crying and then say PFFT i dont need you then run away
04:57.25SuperMiguelZargle, umm how old is she?
04:57.33Zarglemy age 9th grade
04:57.52butterballZargle you run away crying.. hang it up..
04:57.52SuperMiguelZargle, she uses debian?
04:58.02ZargleROFL
04:58.08ZargleShes a mac...
04:58.15Zargleand im a ubuntu...
04:58.17ZargleIDK if it will work
04:58.28nsadminZargle: do it. go there. be the PARTY THROWER.
04:58.39ZargleI cant dance for SHAT
04:58.44nsadminso what
04:58.53ZargleSo it will be like me skating today
04:59.02SuperMiguelZargle, you should try #ubuntu ask there.. :)
04:59.08Zargleshe kept holding on me and i was like I SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK at skating
04:59.19nsadminor ask on #!bash
04:59.21ZargleAnd i fell on my tailbone
04:59.32prince_jammysnsadmin: haha
04:59.49SuperMiguelZargle, are you good at anything?
04:59.53Zargleandroid told me to go to debian
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05:00.00Zargleand now debian is telling me to go ubuntu
05:00.03butterballwas your wallet in the pocket coresponding to the side she was on?
05:00.06ZargleIm good at computers
05:00.12nsadminyou don't have to be good at any of that. JUST TALK to everyone there. you're the MAN.
05:00.14SuperMiguelZargle, android? your google phone?
05:00.24ZargleSi.
05:00.27nsadmindo it. go.
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05:00.49SuperMiguelZargle, umm she hot?
05:00.54qiyonghow do I check if $1 is number or word? in shell
05:00.56ZargleYes.
05:01.03SuperMiguelZargle, not worth it then
05:01.09ZargleShe is more sexy... i would say... no more i dont know
05:01.12Zargleshes pretty...
05:01.18prince_jammysqiyong: go to #bash, /msg greybot faq valid
05:01.28HazardXI'm trying to setup a chroot (using openssh) for svnserve, and I've got it to work, 'cept that it says "svnserve: warning: cannot set LC_CTYPE locale" multiple times upon login (then subsequent successful SVN operations), any idea what I can do?
05:01.28ZargleNo shes not hot or sexy... shes just pretty
05:01.32nsadminZargle: she does like you to a point
05:01.40Zargleits weird... i've seen sexy and i've seen hot... shes just really pretty
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05:02.03ZargleYah... But shes done all of this CLOSE shit to me and every time i ask her SHE rejects me
05:02.05nsadmingo find David Shade's manual
05:02.06Zargle5 times so far
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05:02.59Zarglehttp://www.fastseduction.com/shade/2001-10-09a.shtml
05:03.00ZargleOK
05:03.09Zarglethat will help right
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05:03.33prince_jammysseduction tips at #debian?
05:04.04HazardXSo...ON topic, anyone for making locale warnings go-away in an openssh chroot?
05:04.04SuperMiguelumm after installing hddtemp i still getting sh: hddtemp: command not found
05:04.25HazardXSuperMiguel, can whereis locate it?
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05:04.52SuperMiguelwhereis hddtemp: hddtemp: /usr/sbin/hddtemp /etc/hddtemp.db /usr/share/man/man8/hddtemp.8.gz
05:05.00HazardXis sbin in your path?
05:05.30nsadminZargle: that could help at certain specific points of the interaction...
05:05.54pickcoderSuperMiguel: are you root?
05:06.14nsadminbut what will help you the most right now, is to approach as many women as possible. this girl isn't interested in a guy that doesn't think he has choice
05:06.21SuperMiguelpickcoder, yes
05:06.24SuperMiguelHazardX, yes
05:06.59HazardXHmmm, I dunno then, check so see if the binary is +x, there's no reason it wouldn't be, but that's the only thing I can think of.
05:07.27prince_jammyswrong architecture may also bring about that error
05:07.40nsadminnow... enough. go approach 1000 women. after 500, then think about David Shade manual.
05:07.53prince_jammys(use condoms, yadayada)
05:08.12HazardXprince_jammys, I'd think that would be a "can't execute" or "bad permissions", but maybe, vaugely.
05:08.18CutMeOwnThroatSuperMiguel, call it with full path?
05:08.31CutMeOwnThroat/usr/sbin should be in roots path, though
05:08.38pickcoderSuperMiguel: what does your path have in it?
05:08.44prince_jammysHazardX: i don't recall, but it's an unintutive error message. you're probably right.
05:08.49pickcodermaybe /usr/sbin/ is excluded
05:08.59nsadminone other thing... DOCUMENT YOUR APPROACHES
05:09.15CutMeOwnThroatprince_jammys, no, I thought wrong architecture has... duh, forgot :)
05:09.28SuperMiguelpickcoder, i added PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin to my ~/.bashrc
05:09.36pickcoderis it active?
05:09.40pickcoderlook at env?
05:09.47CutMeOwnThroatguys, there's this splendid channel called #debian-offtopic for continuing discussing your lovelife
05:10.06nsadminprince_jammys: sometimes google has info if you put in the exact text of this error msg
05:10.08newsenseor match.com
05:10.11HazardXYea!
05:10.21pickcoderor dalnet...
05:10.21nsadminCutMeOwnThroat yea, I'm done
05:10.22HazardXgoes back to CURSING LOCALES.
05:10.28HazardXor ebay :|
05:10.33newsensehaha
05:10.40nsadminlocaling curese?
05:10.45nsadmincurses?
05:11.00HazardXno, I mean yelling angrily at locales.
05:11.54ZargleIm really nervus and i cant get my mind off of her WHICH SUCKS cause i have ALOT OF FRICKEN homework i need to get done...
05:11.59CutMeOwnThroatHazardX, what *IS* $LC_CTYPE after you login, anyway?
05:12.13HazardXI have no idea, its in a chroot.
05:12.24nsadminwhich is a HUGE sign of oneitis
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05:12.29CutMeOwnThroathow about you do echo $LC_CTYPE and find out, then tell us?
05:13.01Zarglensadmin? SuperMiguel?
05:13.03HazardXBuecase the account logs into a chroot wihout loading an interactive shell (it starts svnserve directly using ssh's forceCommand option)
05:13.15HazardXof anything, its empty I'd assume
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05:13.50nsadminand you're -totally- tied to the outcome... you shouldn't care if she goes, stays, lays or prays
05:13.51CutMeOwnThroatit should be
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05:14.03nsadmin("fast times at ridgemont" ref)
05:14.08CutMeOwnThroatbut then, if it's empty, you probably don't get that error
05:14.09HazardXCutMeOwnThroat, in normal shells $LC_TYPE isn't set either
05:14.28HazardXand I *DON'T* get the error for normal logins (only the chrooted one)
05:14.55CutMeOwnThroatdid you stop assuming and looked it up?
05:15.07SuperMiguelso im running a conky script that runs hddtemp.. but it seems like it needs to be root to run.. how can i make the script run as root? or let the hddtemp /dev/sda not give me a permission denied..
05:15.27HazardXThough, the crhoot only has the svnserve binary and its support libraries (or at least everything that ldd reported)
05:15.30HazardXCutMeOwnThroat, meaning?
05:15.31CutMeOwnThroatwhy do you need a conky script
05:16.17SuperMiguelCutMeOwnThroat, just using conky..
05:16.37CutMeOwnThroatbecause "<HazardX> of anything, its empty I'd assume"
05:17.27CutMeOwnThroatoh, I see... forgot about that
05:17.39HazardXhow am I supposed to tell what a chroot with no way to login to interactively sets the variable too? That's kinda what I'm asking for help with (well, more so to just make it happy and the warnings go away)
05:18.07HazardXThat sounded ranty, it wasn't ment that way :)
05:18.51CutMeOwnThroathow are you able to see the error if you can't login?
05:18.53nsadminhave a script that sets vars
05:19.17nsadmin(note: you'll have to source it rather than "run" it)
05:19.37HazardXCutMeOwnThroat, when I connect to ssh (and trigger svnserve to run) *svnserve* appears to issue the warnings
05:19.46CutMeOwnThroatSuperMiguel, dpkg-reconfigure hddtemp - it asks you - but also it seems to be able to run as a daemon which is probably what you want in this case?
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05:20.27CutMeOwnThroatso you have svnserve set up as a shell instead of /bin/bash and see the output in the ssh client?
05:20.57HazardXno, its setup as the "force-command" upon login
05:21.11CutMeOwnThroatduh, what's a force-command
05:21.27HazardXI don't *THINK* that's the shell, ssh starts the user's shell, then runs the forced-command (svnserve)
05:21.51HazardXeither way svnserve runs and I can send svn commands and it all works (as far as I can tell)
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05:22.28CutMeOwnThroatthen you should be happy :)
05:22.53HazardXwell, yea, but the spewing errors takes the icing off the happy-cake. :(
05:23.04HazardX*warnings* not errors
05:23.39CutMeOwnThroatwell, I dunno how to help you if I can't understand how exactly this is set up
05:23.55HazardXAre you familar with sshd settings?
05:24.16SuperMiguelHazardX, what are you trying to do?
05:24.29HazardXsvn over ssh, with svnserve running in a chroot.
05:24.32butterballwifi, Atheros AR2425 chip set.. Is this supported in amd64 systems?
05:24.36CutMeOwnThroatit seems rather obvious that your chroot lacks the locale which is set, but apart from that, it would need some debugging to find out
05:24.49HazardXHmmm....
05:24.56CutMeOwnThroat!AR2425
05:24.56dpkgThe Atheros AR2425/AR5007* PCI-E wireless LAN chipset is supported by the mainline <ath5k> driver since Linux 2.6.27.  Lenny users: ask me about <bpo> to install a later kernel image package.  For support of the Atheros AR5007UG USB chipset (formerly Zydas ZD1211), ask me about <zd1211rw>.
05:25.18HazardXmaybe if I start tossing more chunks of locales into the chroot...
05:25.21butterballty
05:25.38CutMeOwnThroatdoesn't say anything about i386/amd64, though
05:25.58butterballgoogleing say's i386 works but amd64 does not
05:26.03CutMeOwnThroat!ath5k
05:26.03dpkg[ath5k] a completely free (no proprietary HAL) driver for Atheros 802.11a/bg PCI wireless LAN chipsets.  Included in Debian kernels since 2.6.24.  See http://wiki.debian.org/ath5k for more information and supported devices.  For AR5007* devices, ask me about <ar2425>.  For 802.11n device support, ask me about <ath9k>.  See also <backports.org>, <wireless tree>.
05:26.03HazardXHEY, there we go.
05:26.27gaugeafter an install are there any step I can take to fine tune Debian?   in terms of cpu and video that is.  I usualy run debian on 'low' resource systems, so every little bit helps.
05:26.34HazardXWho knew I'd need to have the /usr/lib/locale folder in the chroot.
05:26.44HazardXgauge how 'low' resource?
05:26.51CutMeOwnThroatbutterball, look in the wiki... possibly also kernel-changelogs around 2.6.27
05:27.04butterballCutMeOwnThroat, ty
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05:27.43mmlj4what's the command to build the madwifi drivers? m-a something something, right?
05:27.58gauge300mhz Pentium II, 600MHZ SPARC, 400Mhz G3 powerPC.
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05:28.31CutMeOwnThroatdunno if you saw that - your connection closed shortly after: <CutMeOwnThroat> SuperMiguel, dpkg-reconfigure hddtemp - it asks you - but also it seems to be able to run as a daemon which is probably what you want in this case?
05:28.44HazardXgauge, HA! My server Beats your PentiumII by all of...33mhz. :P (the other two mercilessly beat it to death)
05:28.47SuperMiguelCutMeOwnThroat, Ohh sorry i found the problem :(
05:29.00SuperMiguelCutMeOwnThroat, i messed up the script :(
05:29.21CutMeOwnThroat!tell mmlj4 -about madwifi-install
05:29.26gaugeHazardX: nice.  YEah the P2 was a good ship.  I have a dual P3 2au server  Ineed to benchmark too...
05:29.27mmlj4danke
05:29.27newsensei thought i was on a "low resource system" with my 2700mhz athlon x2
05:29.34gauge*not ship, chip.
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05:30.04CutMeOwnThroatgauge, you mean like... "don't run X"?
05:30.11gaugeha.
05:30.29gaugeI use tmux and wm's like stumpwm, ratpoison and awesome.
05:30.30HazardXI don't run X, works well enough, as long as I don't expect gigabit speeds from it.
05:30.32CutMeOwnThroator... "don't start firefox or similar monsters"?
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05:30.45HazardX"don't start more than one big program"
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05:31.28gaugefor example, I know I can use hdparm to get better i/o.  and wit hmy nfs server I set different settign to optimise it for my network.
05:31.34HazardXmy P2 runs DHCP, DNS, apache, ssh, routing, time hosting....and on and on...lots of little services that spend ~80% the time doing nothing.
05:31.58CutMeOwnThroatgauge, you might look at "apt-cache show preload" - but I guess with really low resources that might be more of a loss than a gain (?)
05:32.14gauge...I've always wondered.  Why run a private/local DNS server?  whats the benifit?
05:32.18newsenseHazardX: thats good use for an old machine
05:32.25newsensewish i had one lying around
05:32.39HazardXgauge, if you can, get PCI drive controllers, they *seem* to be almost always much faster than the stock controllers that come with the chipsets (at least on my crappy hardware)
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05:32.51CutMeOwnThroatgauge, and perhaps "have lots of swap on a machine with low memory" :)
05:32.54butterballyes... this lapy sucks...  ath not supported...
05:32.56gaugeHazardX: OK.  ...that was a lot of big words.
05:33.10HazardXgauge, braindead ISP router(s), braindead ISP DNS, braindead ISP.
05:33.25gaugeuh hun.  I see.
05:33.51gaugeSo.  PCI drive controlers huh.  I'll bet thats not somethign I can apt-get.
05:34.22HazardXand I like being able to use hostnames as normal DNS IPs, since the local server CORRECTLY resolves them, instead of trying to forward me to some advertizing "did you actually mean...?" site
05:34.40HazardXgauge, no you can't, but if you happen to have any, they really won't hurt.
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05:35.15HazardXOr if some just happen to 'fall out of a junkpile' and 'into your machine'.
05:36.00CutMeOwnThroatgauge, heh, you could use emdebian... aww, I just see it's arm-only for lenny, will include i386 from squeeze on
05:36.04gaugeanythign else yo ucould think of to optimise a default install?  when I get aroudn to that dual P3 server, I'd liek to know that Debian will take full advantage of everything the arcetecture can support.
05:36.06CutMeOwnThroatanyway that would be quite... radical
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05:36.40gaugeCutMeOwnThroat: my questions here are less about 'bloat' than they are about fine tuning Debian.
05:36.54CutMeOwnThroatwell, I told you about preload...
05:36.59CutMeOwnThroatand swap
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05:37.31HazardXgauge, everything I do revolves around no-X, so its not really neccessary to fine tune anything for me (beyond sane values for hdparm, and not using super-complicated filesystems)
05:37.44gaugeaye.  Sorry, your right.  Preload I'm not familiar with but I have a 512mb chip, and the laptop 'sees' 320mb of that.  while my swap is around 700mb
05:38.16CutMeOwnThroatduh, why only 320 of 512?
05:38.25gaugeI'm useign ext4 this time around.  Maybe it wasn;t a bright idea, but I was thinking it might give me a small speed boost.
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05:38.32gaugeCutMeOwnThroat: No f'ing clue.
05:38.38HazardXCutMeOwnThroat, thanks for the...uh...'help' with the svn/locale thing
05:39.00CutMeOwnThroatgauge, well, that seems like something I'd try to "finetune" away...
05:39.12CutMeOwnThroatHazardX, eh, it did help!
05:39.20HazardXgauge my server runs jfs, I've had better luck with it on my big storage partiton than I did with ext3/xfs/rieser
05:39.45gaugeMy guess is that it's a hardware limitation.  it's a panasonic CF-27, a Pentium II from 1999.
05:39.47HazardXCutMeOwnThroat, yea, I'm not saying it didn't (I got distracted by gauge and forgot the winky face at the end) :P
05:40.25HazardXI'm off to bed, later.
05:40.53gaugepeace HazardX , and thanks.
05:40.57SuperMiguelhow can i use cp to show the copying speed?
05:41.13CutMeOwnThroatof course, you could have read the error message yourself :-P
05:42.17SuperMigueli just set up a nas.. how can i test my upload and downlaod speeds to it?
05:42.47alhadiOfftopic : Any one using Astaro Security Gateway ?
05:43.49gaugeSuperMiguel: use 'time'
05:44.06gauge'time cp test.avi ./ ./wherever/
05:44.24gauge..or somethign like that...
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05:44.29ZargleIf i had sex with a girl and it was a trans is it gay
05:44.29Zargle?
05:44.45SuperMiguelumm yes
05:44.52gauge4chan is ----> that way
05:44.57CutMeOwnThroatindeed
05:45.04ZargleWRONG ANSWER
05:45.11CutMeOwnThroathe must have gotten lost about half a lightyear ago
05:45.17gaugelol
05:45.42CutMeOwnThroat(actually half a lightyear away, but that doesn't sound as good)
05:46.22nsadminthe right answer is: you're asking in the wrong place, you've been given some responses already, go boldly out of here, this is NOT the right place, do your thing. elsewhere.
05:46.26ZargleALL SENIOR CITICENS SHOULD HAVE LIFE ALERT!
05:46.56gaugeis wating to see how many more seconds till Zargle is kicked
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05:47.25nsadminlet's see if he's a net issue or channel issue
05:47.30CutMeOwnThroatcould be a while
05:47.52nsadminmultiple channel joins. could be net issue/
05:48.03Zarglegauge... all give it 2 minutes
05:48.08SuperMiguelgauge, thanks :)
05:48.12gaugewow reading his /whois info is a riot.
05:48.17SuperMiguelshit im getting 8mb/s :S shitty
05:48.31gaugeSuperMiguel:samba, nfs, ...?
05:48.43gaugewindows linux, mac os ...?
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05:48.55SuperMiguelusing this http://www.dlink.com/products/default.aspx?pid=DNS-323&tab=3
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05:49.08SuperMiguelgauge, i think it uses samba by default
05:49.09CutMeOwnThroatgauge, android girls?
05:49.18gaugeexactly!
05:49.30gaugeand andriod-root?  I mean really?
05:50.00gaugeSuperMiguel: Samba -defaut or not is plain gross.  NfS is retartedly faster (on my network).
05:50.26CutMeOwnThroatthat's unusual... they used to be about the same
05:50.58CutMeOwnThroatwith samba often a bit faster
05:51.11SuperMiguelgauge, i really dont know what it uses :S i know i used smbfs to mount it.. which made me think that is using samba
05:51.12HazardXnfs is faster on slow hardware, samba is very large, very complicated and operates though a number of abstraction/translation layers that simply aren't present in NFS.
05:51.15gaugemaybe it's just my network, but nfsv4 gave me double the speeds  Iwas gettign w/ samba.  the fileserver was a P4 running debian.
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05:51.43HazardXthat has *ALWAYS* been the case for me, regardless of my hardware or samba/nfs configuration.
05:52.06HazardXbut anyway, now I'm ACTUALLY going to bed :) (oh IRC, you're so addictive)
05:52.18HazardXpeace.
05:52.20gauge...so the cool kids like nfs right? I like haing on samba becasue I feel like it's an antiquidated windows thing.
05:52.30gauge*hating
05:52.31newsenseif i use lvm will my hdd speed decrease signifigantly ?
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05:54.49Zargleanyone live in Washington, DC
05:54.57newsenseobama
05:55.02ZargleMassachusetts, Raynham
05:55.17gaugelives in ma.
05:55.27ZargleRaynham?
05:55.45gaugenever heard of it.  MA has a rayham now?
05:55.56ZargleDamn right
05:56.18gauge...lots of middleschools I'd bet...
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05:57.07gauge..eh, do subtle?
05:57.10nsadminwhat is this verb, to quidate? shall I quidate a middle school? will I be quidatively correct?
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05:58.11gaugensadmin: Yes.  Yes you would be correct.
05:58.18Zarglehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAe9E1O3dXE&feature=related
05:58.27ZargleSOMETHING SOMETHING SOMETHING DARK SIDE is coming out WOOAAH
05:59.55gaugeomg  I have this brilliant idea.  Lets make a new channel, ok follow me so far?  good.  and we'll call it #offtopic, and then we'll like totaly go there to I duno, like post links to youtube and stuff.  Wicked right?
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06:01.42CutMeOwnThroatthat's brilliant - we could even call it #debian-offtopic, what do you think of that?
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06:01.58nsadminBRILLIENT!
06:02.10gaugeduuuuuude.  that's hawt shit.  let's so do it.
06:02.10nsadminjes lik muh speling
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06:02.41TiMiDOyo
06:02.43CutMeOwnThroatand you could go to it by typing /join #debian-offtopic
06:03.13nsadminwhat would that even be like tho?! omg!
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06:16.13NoCodehmm, I must have had some huge changes in gnome. I usually don't have suspend enabled. I closed my laptop lid, and it went into suspend. :| I think I've had around 200mb of upgrades in the last 2 days.
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06:19.06x007hello
06:19.19whathola
06:19.26x007what is the terminal command to configure your ip address?
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06:20.03x007because i am running a live debian lxde and i dont see a connection settings
06:20.15x007and i have static ip so i cant get online
06:20.36gaugeifconfig most likely.
06:20.53gaugeare you trying to set a manual ip addr.?
06:21.08x007yes
06:21.19x007with this http://lxde.org/download
06:21.22saltmiserif you're going dhcp; become root and try `dhclient eth0` if it's just ethernet
06:21.29x007ok
06:21.31saltmiserthat ought to configure most things
06:21.41gaugesaltmiser: wise words.
06:21.45timahvo1he said static
06:22.13saltmiserwell he said "to configure your ip address"
06:22.15saltmiserthat could imply dhcp :P
06:22.19Zargleu have 10 seconds to write 2 wish... GO
06:22.29x007manual/static same diff
06:22.29Zargle1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
06:22.34ZargleOHHHHHHHHHHH u lost it...
06:22.38nsadminsaltmiser: could... if there's a server on the local net
06:22.38x007static is setupp thru my router
06:22.54timahvo1aah mabad
06:23.41nsadminyou can have static IPs and then turn around and use a dhcpd to hand them out and form leases
06:23.45x007i turn off dhcp usually and manually configure
06:24.04saltmiseroh ok
06:24.08x007o i could do that from this computer to the router then couldnt i
06:24.08saltmiserman ifconfig
06:24.44saltmiseryeah if you setup a dhcp server on your router, you could just run what I said on the machine and it's usually auto after that
06:24.49nsadminI use one of thoes 172.x addrs which is /16 and I have about 8 /24s out of the dhcp zone
06:24.52what.
06:25.04gauge^ exactly.
06:25.22saltmiserindeed, hopefully his network is a basic one
06:25.40x007in lubuntu i can doit and this looks exactly the ame but no netconfig thing
06:25.57saltmiserdoes lubuntu have networkmanager?
06:26.05x007something like that
06:26.16whatnetworkmanager?
06:26.17nsadminx007 /etc/network/interfaces man 5 interfaces
06:26.18whatyou mean avahi
06:26.22whatnsadmin: no
06:26.25whatproblem:
06:26.26x007you have to go to desktop session settings or something
06:26.31what10.04 broke that compatabilty
06:26.36x007then enable it, logout and its down there on bottom right
06:26.38whatnet is not stored there except for server
06:26.44saltmiserwhat, oh did it?
06:26.53whatin order to use that you have to disable the network-manager applet
06:26.56whatit sets ip on boot
06:26.59whatreally STUPID idea
06:27.13whattry pinging a box and then logging in and out
06:27.20saltmiserwhat, if your network just uses dhcp and you're always using ethernet I think it's convenient
06:27.24x007the ip is setup 192.168.0.104 but i need 1982.168.1.104 an d gateway 192.168.1.254
06:27.28saltmiseryou can always ctrl+c during boot if you're mobile
06:27.33nsadminnetwork-manager that doesn't write /etc/network/interfaces is also a really stupid idea
06:27.43whatsaltmiser: its acceptable for WHEN YOUR LOGGED IN
06:27.53whatbut when you logout, or if you reboot, and need a file
06:28.02whative foudn it is not always available for service
06:28.03x007lubuntu is alpha so its really broke
06:28.09saltmiserwhenever I logout, the network configuration stays at whatever it was last
06:28.18saltmiserof course I do have to login first, like you said]
06:28.20whatubuntu is about as stable as vista atm
06:28.27nsadmin*ubuntu* is what we're discussing here?
06:28.28whatand quite frnakly i'd say win7 is better than stable.
06:28.38whatnsadmin: i was speaking of ubuntu
06:28.40saltmiserwhat, wow really? I haven't got to use it
06:28.42x007i am looking for the little blinky that lets me configure my network settings
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06:29.00whatsaltmiser: a bunch of good ideas with really horrible testing
06:29.01nsadminoh... any reason why? debian support in here.
06:29.02saltmiserall I know is that debian sid runs better than 10.4 tiger
06:29.05whatand even worse follow through
06:29.09x007ubuntu is good, i cant run it on the laptop im playing with
06:29.14saltmiserwhat, that's unfortunate
06:29.20x007but lubuntu is ubuntu x lxde so i can use it
06:29.21saltmiserx007, did you get your network figured out?
06:29.27x007nope
06:29.36saltmiserok, you should man 5 interfaces
06:29.37saltmiserread that
06:29.44saltmiseryou'll have to edit a text file and run a script
06:29.57saltmisersince I guess you don't have network-manager, I've noticed with ppc debian doesn't ship with it
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06:30.09saltmiserI'd assume i386 is the same way?
06:30.27nsadminnetwork-manager is anything but standard
06:30.32saltmisernsadmin, indeed
06:30.39saltmiserI have it running on debian sid right now
06:30.48saltmiserit can manage the wifi (with is real messy wpa2 so I just like to use it for that)
06:30.54saltmiserbut it can't manage my ethernet lol
06:31.08saltmiserso I just use interfaces for that
06:31.14saltmiserthe ethernet, that is
06:31.31saltmiserit seems to be working out
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06:32.05whatnetwork manager is in my opinion one of the 4 worst things about ubuntu
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06:32.14saltmiserwhat, are the other 3?
06:32.44whatthough wireless plays beautifully
06:32.44whathm saltmiser
06:32.44saltmiseryeah it really does, even with debian
06:32.44what#1 is #ubuntu and related irc personell
06:32.44saltmiserlol really
06:32.46saltmiserthat's unfortunate
06:33.08whatvirtually every single one should be fired with prejudice
06:33.09x007man 5 interfaces in root terminal?
06:33.46what#2 is the pulse/alsa bug, which turns into a 0day /filled bug
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06:34.06saltmiserx007 yeah
06:34.14saltmiserthat shows you the manual page for ifconfig
06:34.17x007i am rebooting i will tell you what it said
06:34.19saltmiseryou can read about it to figure out whatever you have to do
06:34.24saltmisernah you don't have to reboot
06:34.33saltmiserit's probably in /var/log/syslog isn't it?
06:34.36x007i can man ifconfig but not man 5 interfaces
06:34.42saltmiseroh hm
06:35.00x007i had to reboot because i clicked new login and i dont now user and pass
06:35.01saltmisersubtract the 5
06:35.10saltmiserjust do
06:35.12saltmiserman interfaces
06:35.17saltmiserthen you can edit the interfaces file
06:35.26saltmiserand then restart interfaces with the /etc/init.d script
06:36.01saltmiseror rather you'll use the ifup program (man ifup)
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06:36.17saltmiserboth would work I suppose
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06:37.27x007i could just change my routers ip so i never have to do this again
06:37.41x007but then id have to go change my parents ip
06:37.48x007so i could do that tomorrow
06:38.09saltmiserno
06:38.13saltmiserare you using a home router
06:39.07saltmiserif you are, some of them even let you assign static dhcp configurations
06:39.11saltmiserlike you can always have dhcp give this mac address whatever ip
06:40.35saltmiserso how dangerous is running aptitude full-upgrade, as opposed to aptitude safe-upgrade
06:40.50saltmiserI understand safe-upgrade doesn't install new or remove packages
06:41.22x007yes i will dothat then
06:41.24saltmiserI suppose it really depends on the package..
06:41.46saltmiserx007 you could configure dhcp now, and just make sure it doesn't assign addresses to wherever your static ip's are
06:41.57saltmisersuppose you had .101, .102 or something
06:42.06saltmiserjust have dhcp start giving out addresses above .110 or something
06:43.22x007what should i do once i know the mac
06:44.27x007my router seems to have assigned it 192.168.1.20, but it has assigned itself 192.168.0.104
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06:45.45x007why would they leave out something so basic and useful
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06:46.30x007if i just switch the 1 to a 0 on my router then i can surf from the laptop
06:46.39x007i guess thats the easiest way
06:48.26heroxbdhi, when I 'dpkg --print-architecture', it gives "i386". This causes trouble with recent glibc which dropped support for i386 that some functions like __sync_fetch_and_add_4 only avaiable on i486 or higher. So how can I change dpkg --print-architecture output to i486 or i686?
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06:54.36arooni-mobilehi folks!  having trouble mounting /dev/md1 as my home partition.  md1 is a raid 1-0 device across two hard drives.  running karmic.  i changed nothing except for the locatoin of the PC (moved it without dropping it).  now when i try to mount /dev/md1 i see: "EXT3-fs: unable to read spuerblock; mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/mda1" ....   what should i do now?
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07:00.38CutMeOwnThroatdespair?
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07:02.09CutMeOwnThroatguess you check /var/log/messages and dmesg if you see any errors on boot when the raid is assembled... also /proc/mdstat
07:02.15x007so i cant configure the default gateway from command line?
07:04.37timahvo1x007: man route
07:04.49CutMeOwnThroatheroxbd, you can't... it prints the name of the repository for an architecture... which are called i386/amd64/ia64 and so on
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07:05.41arooni-mobileCutMeOwnThroat, i see "Ext3-fs unable to read superblock
07:05.58CutMeOwnThroatbut that doesn't tell you what state your raid is in
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07:06.26CutMeOwnThroatx007, something like route add default gw <IP>, iirc
07:06.48heroxbdCutMeOwnThroat: I see... The problem is, when I dpkg-buildpackage... it was assumed to execute "gcc -march=i386" (I guess). so I get __sync_fetch_and_add missing error. How can I pass -march=i686 to dpkg-buildpackage?
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07:06.57arooni-mobileCutMeOwnThroat, the /proc/mdstat shows md0 (root) as active and md1 (/home) as not active:
07:07.03CutMeOwnThroatarooni-mobile, all that tells you is, that the start of /dev/md1 doesn't contain the start of an ext3 filesystem
07:07.14arooni-mobileCutMeOwnThroat, can i fix that somehow?
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07:07.47CutMeOwnThroatarooni-mobile, there you are...
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07:07.54arooni-mobilehuh?
07:07.57Dargoris it just me or have the testing updates been very unstable lately
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07:09.04arooni-mobileCutMeOwnThroat, not sure how to proceed
07:09.05CutMeOwnThroatof course it's you!
07:09.34arooni-mobileCutMeOwnThroat, well i'm not sure what to do now?
07:09.44darthohi, i have a problem, :( i dont know why but, java apps cant connect to network
07:10.06CutMeOwnThroat... but seems testing indeed has some problems lately
07:10.22newsenseif i use lvm will my hdd access times increase a lot ?
07:10.44CutMeOwnThroatarooni-mobile, dig out that howto or whatever you followed when you originally assembled the raid, and re-assemble it?
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07:11.53CutMeOwnThroatI have a raid, but I keep my fingers off from it as much as I can
07:13.03arooni-mobileCutMeOwnThroat, i know; i tried to reassemble the riad but i see "No suitable drives for /dev/md1
07:13.48CutMeOwnThroatwell, can you still access all disks?
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07:14.58jmarsdenarooni-mobile: Did a power or data cable come loose during server relocation??  Incidentally, crossposting this on both #debian and #ubuntu-server is a little .... unusual.  Either this machine runs Debian, or it runs Ubuntu server... which one is it?
07:14.59CutMeOwnThroatseems at least one of your drives died... but you should still be able to assemble the rest with the loss of one
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07:16.00arooni-mobilejmarsden, well neither really, ubuntu desktpo to be honest... but ive already tried asking in that room and ubuntu server, ... and no one responded and i'm at my wits end
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07:16.15arooni-mobilei think one of my drives failed too.. but i'm happy i used raid1 !
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07:16.33CutMeOwnThroatwhich means it's offtopic in both... well done
07:16.44arooni-mobilewell i'm at my wits end
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07:17.00arooni-mobilei'm a little desperate... raid'ed linux is a bit over my head....
07:17.07newsensedoes using lvm effect hdd r/w ?
07:17.07newsenseas far as speed is concerned ?
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07:19.29jmarsdenIs md0 totally independent from md1 -- it uses a different pair of drives altogether?  Because if they both share the same pair of drives and md0 is fine, both drives are by definition at least somewhat working...
07:19.36CutMeOwnThroatprobably not much
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07:20.13jmarsdennewsense: Not generally, no.  I imagine if you divide up your lvm space into many many really tiny chunks it could, but that would be a pathological case, not the norm.
07:21.39newsensei just went from a crappy 6G hdd to a 500g WD Caviar Black sataII and want max performance and just want to know what effect lvm has on hdd r/w access times
07:21.46newsensejmarsden: thanks for your help, thats what i thought but a second opinion always sweetens the deal
07:21.57arooni-mobilejmarsden, md0 and md1 are both across the same two drives
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07:22.41jmarsdenarooni-mobile: So then why did you say <arooni-mobile> i think one of my drives failed
07:23.01jmarsdenIf md0 is fully working, both drives must be working, right?
07:23.27arooni-mobilethat seems completely logical
07:23.34arooni-mobilei'm looking at this post now: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/raid5-with-mdadm-does-not-ron-or-rebuild-505361/#post2557045
07:24.19jmarsdenBut you don't have RAID 5...
07:25.22arooni-mobilejmarsden, your right, but i had a similar error message though ...
07:25.37arooni-mobilei really have no idea how to get /home/ to be a nice happy raid array at /dev/md1 again ;(
07:26.08jmarsdenarooni-mobile: That's a scary way to troubleshoot RAID failures, if you ask me ... "well, this looks kinda sorta like my issue" ... be careful.
07:26.30CutMeOwnThroatI wonder how he got to be running on raid if he's got no idea what to do when something goes wrong... or... actually
07:27.24arooni-mobilewell i thought raid1 was a good idea since i had two identical drives
07:27.31darthoproblem fixed, thanks for... xD  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560142
07:27.35arooni-mobilehave never really had to debug raid
07:28.05jmarsdenarooni-mobile: It can be, if you understand it.  Well, as a safety precaution, could you image the relevant partitions (that used to be md1) onto a third drive, so you have a safety backup?
07:28.12nsadminthere are a lot of things it's easy to get into, but not so easy to get out of, or to recover from
07:28.35CutMeOwnThroattrue dat... like a relationship
07:28.49arooni-mobilejmarsden, i already have a backup i'm comfortable with taken 5 days ago to jungledisk
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07:29.53jmarsdenarooni-mobile: Well, if that's good enough could you test the drives at the hardware level and if both are clean, just start over creating md1 and the restore to the fresh empty md1 partition?
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07:30.49arooni-mobilejmarsden, i was able to mount the /dev/sdc6 partition as read only home and see files before... is there anyway to copy it over to /dev/sda6 (the other drive that i think has issues with it mounting)
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07:31.06arooni-mobilejmarsden, test at harddrive level you mean with hardware diagnostic on the ultimate boot cd or something?
07:32.18jmarsdenarooni-mobile: Sure, that would be doable.  Before that, you could also try doing smart diagnostic checks on each drive using smartctl
07:33.45jmarsdenarooni-mobile: In theory you could dd from one partition to the other, but I'm not sure how you then tell mdadm "now just make this a RAID 1 device but leave the data alone"... it can probably be done, but I'm unsure of the details and need to go to bed soon, not research that, I'm afraid...
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07:34.37arooni-mobileunderstood
07:34.43arooni-mobilesmartctl says no issues
07:35.04arooni-mobileat least i think;  no eerrors
07:35.23simNIXyou did try an fsck -f on it whilst unmounted ?
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07:36.37jmarsdenGood sign.  Did you make it run the conveyance test?
07:36.38arooni-mobilesimNIX, i just did and i get the "fsck.ext3; invalid arg while trying to open /dev/md1"
07:37.03arooni-mobilethe superblock could not be read
07:37.18CutMeOwnThroatmmm, one of my disks has  Raw_Read_Error_Rate    35116241 on 21453 power-on hours... makes me wonder if I should start worrying about it
07:38.24arooni-mobileCutMeOwnThroat, i dont really understand that formatting of that screen is the value column MY DRIVES #s?
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07:40.09CutMeOwnThroateh? it's the output of smartctrl -a /dev/sdb for me
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07:43.19arooni-mobileCutMeOwnThroat, conveyance test ran without errors
07:43.27CutMeOwnThroatI think they cheated me on that drive - it's also got 5 month more of Power_On_Hours - although these are "identical" drives that have always been together in that raid...
07:43.39simNIXarooni-mobile, I dont raid so not sure but did you try tab to see if md0 is ok? Im wondering maybe you need something after that to say that partiton ?
07:43.58simNIXow - thats fishy
07:44.26CutMeOwnThroatyeah... if only I'd have first thought to look on the smart info of both disks
07:44.27arooni-mobilewhats fishy
07:44.40CutMeOwnThroatbut that's not really what you do first thing on a new computer
07:44.45nsadmin10-month-old sushi?
07:44.46CutMeOwnThroatwell... up to now
07:44.53simNIXthose diskt runnig time diference of CutMeOwnThroat
07:44.58simNIX*disks
07:45.38arooni-mobileoh ok
07:45.56arooni-mobilesimNIX, not sure what you mean by trying tab to see if md0 is ok
07:46.33CutMeOwnThroat3673 hours difference guess from now on I'll check that as soon as possible
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07:47.43jmarsdenarooni-mobile: Which SMART test did you run on the disks?  Did you do   smartctl -t conveyance /dev/XXX  # on each one and then check the results?
07:48.39arooni-mobilejmarsden, yes ran conveyance and it shows completed without errorr
07:48.41simNIXwell if you do fsck -f /dev/md (and press on keyboard Tab key 2x) it should say which there are same for /dev/md1<tab,tab>
07:48.49arooni-mobilejmarsden, reading thru http://74.125.155.132/search?q=cache:DvNnEur07CIJ:ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php%3Ft%3D1194974+raid+1+EXT3-fs:+unable+to+read+superblock+ubuntu&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us  now
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07:54.30CutMeOwnThroatnite
07:55.34simNIXarooni-mobile, if  want to fsck a regular partition its /dev/hda1 orso not /dev/hda thats why im sugesting to tab
07:55.45jmarsdenarooni-mobile: OK.  I'm off to bed, almost midnight here, and I have a longer than usual commute (out to a client site) tomorrow morning... I hope you figure it out!
07:55.47simNIX*if I
07:55.50arooni-mobilei dont know what ta means
07:55.54arooni-mobiletab
07:56.07simNIXits a key on your keyboard
07:56.09arooni-mobilethanks jmarsden for your help & support!!!
07:56.09simonrvnthe key on your keyboard
07:56.12arooni-mobilehaha ok
07:56.24simonrvnit's called tab completion
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07:57.31jmarsdensimNIX: I don't think you understand software RAID... md0 would usually be a single partition, a single filesystem.  So (if it were active) fsck /dev/md0 would be valid.  Since it isn't active, I'm not sure what you are hoping to gain with that general approach...  anyway, maybe I'm just tired... goodnight all.
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07:57.34simNIXif you type in console and half type a path to a file you can utilize that key to save you typing since it fills out - if it not enouf is typed to have only one choice to fill out to double tab shows of which to choose
07:57.52simNIXfair judgement jmarsden I dont raid
07:57.53arooni-mobilesomehow fsck is running and i'm fixing a lot of errors
07:58.00simNIXmay bad
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08:01.21arooni-mobileman fsck is fixiing a craz amount os tuff
08:01.31arooni-mobileis that normal?  its like "ref count is 2, should be 1, a million times
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08:25.35alnri'm testing a debootstrap lenny. there is no /var/log/syslog (where i am looking for mysql errors). why would i not have a syslog?
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08:27.21dondelelcaroalnr: generally because you don't have rsyslog or similar installed
08:27.29sepskiwitch of the syslog servers have you installed ?
08:27.48alnri didnt do anything above the debootstrap install
08:28.38sepskiwell. you might want to pick and install one then
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08:43.46yucatan1hello guys i'm looking for a debian package like Freenas
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08:44.17yucatan1i want the same as freenas but i wanne be able to just install it on a default debian installation can somebody help me with this?
08:44.35alnrdondelelcaro: sepski hmm, well i picked one: rsyslog and then apt tells me its already the new version
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08:45.17sepskiyucatan1, freenas recently changed name to corenas and uses debian as it's base. afaik
08:45.38yucatan1i know but corenas ist releashed yet
08:45.41yucatan1as far as i know
08:45.48sepskiprobably true
08:46.31yucatan1yeah i know
08:46.50yucatan1that why i ask is there maby another software package some similair the same things
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08:47.45sepskiyucatan1, you want "corenas" as a metapackage that installes and configures a everything for your with a apt-get install ... ?
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08:48.30yucatan1yeah something liek that
08:48.46alnrhmm i guess i have to ~start~ rsyslog. i'm still not sure how a chroot debootstrap works regarding init and so on
08:48.51yucatan1i'm just looking for a package that i can install that provided the same serices like freenas
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08:49.16yucatan1its not a requesrment that i can install it using apt-get if i need to download and install uit manualy thats not a problem
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08:49.35yucatan1i just need a web interface where i can do the same things as in freenas/corenas
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08:51.29sepskii dont know of any
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08:52.47yucatan1thats the problem:)
08:52.54yucatan1i'm looking but i cant find anything
08:52.56castfuck web interfaces.
08:53.00yucatan1...
08:53.13yucatan1i need it because i use freenas with my custemers
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08:58.32arooni-mobileif i acidentally ran 'sudo mke2fs /dev/sdc6' for one sec only before control+c'ing it (because i wanted to run mke2fs -n instead.. will e2fsck fix it ?  or is tihs file system lost forever?
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09:10.20intxanyone have trouble with xtables/masquerading?
09:11.09x007http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/
09:11.13x007thats what i need
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09:13.05Drunkeno/ trying to run configure script on a program. getting this error checking for gtk+-2.0 >= 2.4.0... checking for x11... configure: error: "X11 required for nvcontrol support"
09:13.13chompskieswhere can I find log of any messages paged during package upgrade (in aptitude)?
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09:13.29chompskiesin most recent upgrade
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09:15.08chompskiesalso what tool should i look to to add changelog and custom version number (don't want it to be overwritten by future updates) for package built from debsrc (but with patches applied) ?
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09:15.52castthere's a new maintainers guide that'll help i imagine
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09:18.15chompskiesthe guide I'm following is http://scie.nti.st/2008/10/13/get-rxvt-unicode-with-256-color-support-on-ubunut  , but for debian squeeze, so versions will be different
09:18.40chompskiesone of the comments suggests using dch before calling dpkg-buildpackage.. though I dont know what to set version as so that its custom
09:20.54chompskiesalso, apt-get source rxvt-unicode gives my 9.06 with no such doc/urxvt-x.x-256color.patch
09:21.14chompskieswhere do I find out the changelog for the package in Squeeze?
09:21.22chompskies-out
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09:23.30the-dudechompskies: http://packages.qa.debian.org/r/rxvt-unicode.html
09:24.44chompskiesthe-dude: thanks
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09:28.28themillchompskies: you'd normally use "dch --bpo" if you are backporting the package or "dch --local +chompskies.0" if you are changing compilation options on the existing version in the release. /msg dpkg package recompile
09:28.39chompskiescast: hi. I followed your suggestion. The guide doesn't mention custom revision though (at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-changelog )
09:28.55castchecks
09:29.14jas4711does anyone have pointers to what the policy is for debian packages that downloads external dependencies when installed?  if the downloaded material is not free, can the package still be in main?  i can't find any concrete on this in the policy manual
09:30.00chompskiesthemill: neat! thanks!
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09:30.02themilljas4711: it would be in contrib -- it's free software that requires non-free stuff to do anything useful.
09:31.09castchompskies: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html#s-namever, mayhap
09:31.22jas4711themill, what if it can do useful stuff without the non-free stuff?  i.e., the non-free stuff can only optionally be downloadable to provide more features
09:32.50Kamping_Kaiserjas4711: try policy 2.2
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09:34.07themilljas4711: you could look at splitting the package into frobinator and frobinator-non-free-installer or similar. But there are packages in main that contain and optional downloader script that offers additional functionality -- it's just not recommended and certainly shouldn't be the sole purpose of the package
09:35.08jas4711themill, but is still permissible by policy to have such a package in main?
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09:35.51jas4711Kamping_Kaiser, it doesn't address the case where a package downloads non-free material during installation, does it?  it just say 'must not require a PACKAGE outside of main'
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09:36.43themilljas4711: a package that was downloading such stuff by default during installation would not be suitable for main. A package that provides a script to allow you to optionally download extra non-free stuff *might* be suitable for main.
09:37.41jas4711themill, ok thanks. so I guess it is not wortwhile to file a bug on a package like this and asking for it to be moved to contrib, because there is no justification for that in the policy manual.
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09:38.06themilljas4711: which package?
09:38.21jas4711themill, i'm thinking of net-snmp
09:39.18jas4711during installation net-snmp asks me if I want to download RFCs (which aren't DFSG free)
09:39.28Kamping_Kaiserjas4711: 'for compilation or execution' (but since this is an otional bit this leg of the disussions become moot)
09:39.40Kamping_Kaisergoes afk again until he can see :/
09:41.01themilljas4711: it asks and doesn't do it by default and presumably if you had -pcritical or similar it wouldn't do it at all. That's not too offensive.
09:41.44jas4711themill, right.  I was just wondering if this was considered OK according to debian policy
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09:43.31themilljas4711: sounds like a pretty useless thing to offer to do, actually.
09:44.06jas4711themill, I'm also unsure whether net-snmp is at all useful without those RFCs.  I guess it is possible for users to write their own MIBs and use the package though
09:44.49themillahh... wrong sort of rfc...
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09:45.32doubleclickgood idea
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09:48.41niklaswedoes someone knows an good calendar app, some i can setup and sync my htc hero
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09:51.54TheAvatarWho do you write to, if there is a problem with a debian mirror?
09:52.19themilljas4711: you should check to see if your problems have already been fixed in the sid version of the package.... see the NEWS item for version 5.4.2.1~dfsg-4
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09:53.46TheAvatarah, I think the issue might have been fixed now after quite some hours
09:54.32themilljas4711: (which is also already in the BTS)
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10:18.24mazzachreAny Lenny users that uses glassfish server?
10:19.01utrrrongeebnot me ;-)
10:19.07jellyreportbug-ng ignores SIGINT (^C)... do I file a bug or not?
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10:19.21jellyloves reporting bugs in reportbug-ng
10:19.28Stereojelly: can't hurt to file one as wishlist
10:19.41jas4711themill, that's swell!  i thought i actually just upgraded my system to unstable when I saw the problem, but now that I check, I used a local outdated mirror
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10:19.54casti'd check what the handler that's catching it does
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10:19.57jellyStereo: I consider it a breach of common unix UI
10:20.07Stereoor file it manually or with reportbug, and mark it as critical :)
10:20.31Stereoit really depends on the maintainer
10:20.52StereoI've had someone explain to me that bacula locking up and not backing up data wasn't grave
10:20.55jellyyeah, if they're an ass, they'll tell me to fuckoff
10:21.13Stereoand that since the bug was fixed in testing, they weren't going to apply my patch
10:21.32jellyStereo: it's not like backing up things its main purpose!
10:21.38jellyis*
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10:22.00jellyor that a lack of regular backups _is_ loss of data
10:22.17Stereojelly: apparently, making my customers unhappy because last night's sql is gone is its main purpose
10:22.33StereoI haven't bothered arguing yet
10:23.05jellyat least we have this irc channel to whine.
10:23.19Stereohttp://bugs.debian.org/555726 <- that's the bug
10:23.43simonrvncleans up and fixes his cyrus mailboxes
10:25.01Stereojelly: what do you think, is he right ?
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10:25.25anders_lhi!
10:26.06Stereosimonrvn: can I ask you what you think of http://bugs.debian.org/555726 too ?
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10:27.13doubleclicki got a usb drive which is recognized as sda and sdb.. 10MB and 1GB of which the first has write protection on.. any ideas what it is?
10:27.38jellyStereo: well.  I somewhat agree with him you can't say there's (potential) data loss until the backups are finished.  But you can say there's (potential) data loss because backups _don't happen at all_.
10:27.52castsome drives are in effect two
10:28.07anders_lis there a watch tool for apt in console that check new packages and send a list "mail" and show like security stuff and diffs about the package
10:28.10anders_l?
10:28.16castsometimes they might put a bit of crap software on the 10MB bit,
10:28.20Stereodoubleclick: sounds like a separate flash that contains ads. What's on it ?
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10:28.44dpkg#555726:I[bacula-sd] bacula-sd deadlock (confirmed fixed-upstream patch wontfix); Wed, 11 Nov 2009 13:18:05 UTC []
10:28.55doubleclickStereo: cast, yes there's some pdf catalog on sda
10:29.32anders_lapt-show-version dont show the diffs just the new version...
10:29.36Stereojelly: yeah, especially when my users ask for their data back quite regularly in the morning, and bacula had locked up more than once during the night
10:29.54Stereoit's not like it's an imaginary scenario
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10:32.11Stereois he right when he says "and updates cannot be sent to the stable branch" ?
10:32.34Stereocan you really not update stable when testing has a higher version ? How do we handle security issues ?
10:32.46castsecurity issues get fixed
10:33.22Stereoso by can't he really means I can't be bothered
10:35.54Arrowmastersecurity and stable are different
10:37.35jellyStereo: it's simply not true, grave bugs can and do get fixed in stable as well, especially if the package breaks other stuff
10:37.55Stereoyeah, thought so
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10:38.58jellyStereo: however, arguably bacula only breaks itself this way.  If if broke for many/most users, it might get fixed, or removed from stable.
10:39.25jellyStereo: you'll probably want to make a backport, check it works and get on with life
10:39.40StereoI've made one already
10:39.46Stereoactually, a package with my patch
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10:40.10Stereoso really, I'm not affected anymore
10:40.11Stereobut it sucks for other people
10:40.37jellyshrugs... it's just one of the little annoyance of running stable. Hopefully if they run into the same bug they'll find your report
10:40.56Stereohope so
10:41.02StereoI should post my .deb online
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10:41.43jellyif I stumbled onto this thing, I'd likely find the bug report and use your patch from there
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10:42.36naoshigeHello
10:42.49naoshigeI just installed Ubuntu, but when I ran apt-get install rubygems it installed an ancient version of rubygems
10:42.55naoshigewhat is the current version of rubygems on Debian?
10:43.27ootputhow do those two points relate?
10:43.55jellyjudd: versions rubygems1.8
10:43.55juddjelly: rubygems1.8 -- lenny: 1.2.0-3 sid: 1.2.0-3 experimental: 1.3.1-1 lenny-backports: 1.3.4-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1.3.4-1 sid: 1.3.5-2 squeeze: 1.3.5-2
10:44.20jellynaoshige: so, 1.2.0 in the current debian release (5.0, "lenny")
10:44.32jellyor 1.3.4 as a backported package
10:44.44naoshigeThanks!
10:44.51naoshigenice, you got a system like that
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11:18.21jezierhi.. how can I change debsign to dpkg-sig in debuild?
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11:56.15DarkHackthanks
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12:05.33prince_jammyshe's gone bananas
12:05.40prince_jammysdpkg: take a break
12:05.41dpkgprince_jammys: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
12:06.44Kamping_Kaisercalls 000 - dpkg has gone instane :s
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12:10.29themillnah... that was a search that abrotman set up about 12 hours ago that finally got killed off when dpkg received its daily cycle. Happens often...
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12:43.55GattoDiSchrodinghi
12:44.01GattoDiSchrodingHow can I fix the ugly fonts in iceweasel?
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12:45.19nkuttlerGattoDiSchroding: install msttcorefonts ?
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12:45.44chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: hinting, and all that jazz
12:46.15GattoDiSchrodingnkuttler: but then opera's fonts become ugly
12:46.33GattoDiSchrodingchompskies: hinting?
12:46.57chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: *hint hint*
12:47.05jellyugly?
12:47.15nkuttlerGattoDiSchroding: works for me
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12:48.23GattoDiSchrodinguhm
12:48.42chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: http://www.ubuntu-inside.me/2009/07/howto-fix-firefox-35s-font-hinting.html
12:48.56chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: no matter how many people tell you it looks perfect out of the box..
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12:49.32chompskiesbut 'perfect' is relative, so technically they're not wrong.
12:49.52GattoDiSchrodingchompskies: ok, thanks
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12:53.38GattoDiSchrodingchompskies: those files do not exist on my system
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12:54.08chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: which debian is this?
12:54.16GattoDiSchrodingtesting
12:54.25chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: strange. they should be
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12:54.56chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: does ls -al /etc/fonts/conf.d/ show any 10- configs?
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12:56.26GattoDiSchrodingchompskies: no (http://pastebin.ca/1709571)
12:56.26Arrowmasterit doesnt on mine either, squeeze
12:57.18chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: that's the issue
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12:58.25chompskies/etc/fonts/conf.available/10-hinting-medium.conf  /etc/fonts/conf.available/10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf ?
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13:01.05GattoDiSchrodingi have not the first file
13:02.09GattoDiSchrodingthis is  /etc/fonts/conf.available/10-sub-pixel-rgb.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1709574
13:02.34blast_hardcheeseGah. I've got a ThinkPad x40, My backlight still doesn't come back after resuming from suspend
13:02.49blast_hardcheeseAny suggestions?
13:03.14blast_hardcheeseI was hoping that would be fixed by the latest pm-utils
13:03.21blast_hardcheesebut tbh I don't really know where the problem is
13:03.30tdnI am trying to use postgresql with libnss-pgsql. But I am getting a "Could not connect to database" error. I have checked, that I can connect from the command line with the same connect string that I use in libnss-pgsql config. How to debug this further?
13:03.45ootputGattoDiSchroding, chompskies: that comments for that article suggest a different path
13:04.01ootput*the
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13:04.36themillblast_hardcheese: does poking around in /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video* help?
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13:05.07blast_hardcheeseLet's see
13:05.15GattoDiSchrodingyes ootput, i already looked at /etc/fonts/conf.avail/ instead of /etc/fonts/conf.available/
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13:05.33themillblast_hardcheese: something like "echo 7 > /sys/class/backlight/acpi_video0/brightness" (exact number depends on hardware)
13:06.01blast_hardcheeseWell, I've tried using the keyboard brightness adjustment to no avail
13:06.28blast_hardcheeseFrom what I've been reading online, there's actually a misconfiguration on resume
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13:07.19themillquite possibly. I've been able to sort out similar problems on mrs themill's laptop by doing that sort of thing, but it's by no means universally applicable.
13:07.33chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: hey still there?
13:07.35blast_hardcheeseright.
13:07.42GattoDiSchrodingchompskies: yes
13:07.55chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: symlink 10-autohint and the 2nd file
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13:09.16blast_hardcheesethemill: The backlight is off currently, but /sys/class/backlight/thinkpad_screen/brightness says it's at max
13:09.35themill:(
13:09.41blast_hardcheesetell me about it
13:09.49blast_hardcheeseunpleasant, to say the least.
13:10.24GattoDiSchrodingdone...
13:10.39chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: and sudo dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig ?
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13:12.25Fauchi95Hello! What must I do when I wan't use debian testing? Just install Debian stable and edit the sources.list to tesing and make apt-get update && apt-get upgrade?
13:12.49chellomerealmost
13:12.59Fauchi95or apt-get dist-upgrade?
13:13.01blast_hardcheeseapt-get dist-upgrade
13:13.02themillFauchi95: mostly, use aptitude not apt-get and it would be a full-upgrade not an upgrade. Plus hope that it actually works.
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13:13.15chompskieschellomere: isn't there a better way to do it?
13:13.17xrealIs there a way to upload files from xterm?
13:13.21GattoDiSchrodingchompskies: it doesn't work
13:13.25xrealeeh upload via HTML
13:13.29blast_hardcheesexreal: what does that even mean?
13:13.29chompskieswasn't there an installer (dev) that allowed testing?
13:13.39nkuttlerxreal: huh?
13:13.49chellomereFauchi95, full-upgrade/dist-upgrade
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13:14.02chellomerechompskies, in what way would there be one?
13:14.02blast_hardcheesexreal: (Guessing here) you want to submit a form on a website using a terminal program?
13:14.02xrealblast_hardcheese & nkuttler: Upload via GET ... uhm, I better use curl for this ;-)
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13:14.10xrealblast_hardcheese: Yep ;-)
13:14.13Fauchi95ok, thx
13:14.23chompskieschellomere: there was a net-installer. I used it a few years back, I think
13:14.34chompskiesbasically allowed choosing testing or unstable
13:14.35blast_hardcheesexreal: If you already know about curl, why did you ask the question? cURL is the best
13:14.43nkuttlerxreal: or maybe text-based browsers can handle it
13:14.55xrealblast_hardcheese: because I didn't know IF curl is best ;)
13:14.56tiveronaff mano...descobri q o renan ta ganhando mais q eu nesse buraco do inferno
13:14.58xrealnkuttler: yeah okay
13:14.59chellomerechompskies, if you really know what you're doing, you could do that.
13:15.00Fauchi95what is diffrent between sidux and debian sid?
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13:15.09blast_hardcheesexreal: k...
13:15.13chellomereit's somewhat less tedious, but more risky
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13:15.31nkuttlerFauchi95: and sidux isn't supported here
13:15.35chellomereFauchi95, sidux is not part of debian
13:15.54Fauchi95nkuttler, I know ;-)
13:15.55Fauchi95thx
13:16.11chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: oh sorry, you also have to set hinting-type
13:16.30chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: locally. here's my ~/.fonts.conf http://paste2.org/p/555503
13:16.40GattoDiSchrodingok
13:17.23chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: you have to restart X for that to take effect, I think
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13:17.53GattoDiSchrodingok, i will try thanks
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13:18.15ngomesneed help compiling one wireless driver
13:18.16ootputchompskies: that makes the symlinking useless
13:18.34chompskiesootput: yeah :/
13:18.49GrueliusHi all, growing a 8 disk mdadm raid5 to 9 drives, computer has become unresponsive but the cursor still flashes on screen, should i restart it?
13:18.53ngomesmake cant find build dir under /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build
13:19.05ngomeswhat usually have this dir ?
13:19.08Grueliuswont respond to ping, cant ssh in and cant log in with the keyboard
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13:19.24blast_hardcheeseGruelius: How long has it been sitting?
13:19.32blast_hardcheeseIs there drive activity?
13:19.57Grueliusblast_hardcheese: I just started it, doesnt sound like much. Didnt freeze instantly. Will go listen for activity but hard to tell (got 5 active pcs in that room lol)
13:20.16blast_hardcheeseGrowing a RAID is a very CPU heavy task (currently trying to repair a degraded RAID right now; It's been going for 2 hours so far, 14% done)
13:20.27ngomescan anyone help me trying to compile this dirver please ? http://www.broadcom.com/docs/linux_sta/hybrid-portsrc-x86_32-v5.10.91.9.3.tar.gz
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13:20.39ngomes32 bit version
13:20.47blast_hardcheesengomes: What do you need help with?
13:20.48Titan8990!sta
13:21.12chompskiesTitan8990: fail :)
13:21.13ngomesblast_hardcheese this driver fails to compile, says /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build : no such file or directory
13:21.23ngomesblast_hardcheese this driver fails to compile, says /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build : no such file or directory stop.
13:21.35blast_hardcheesemkdir /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/build; problem solved
13:21.37Grueliusblast_hardcheese, Yeah, had 950 mins as a estimate lol. Ive done it before but its never frozen like this. Only time it does this is when it fscks 1.5tb ext3 volumes lol.
13:21.37blast_hardcheese:D
13:21.43ngomesi wonder what dir dir have inside to make it important
13:21.44Titan8990!wl
13:21.44dpkg[wl] Broadcom's non-free "hybrid" driver, supporting wireless LAN devices based on the BCM4311, BCM4312, BCM4321 or BCM4322 chipset; for x86 and x86-64 only.  Supports the BCM4312 low-power variant (PCI-ID 14e4:4315, aka "BCM4310 USB").  To install, see http://wiki.debian.org/wl .  For support of other Broadcom chipsets, ask me about <b43>.  See also <bcm4312>.
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13:22.35ngomesnot solved , blast_hardcheese
13:22.38blast_hardcheeseGruelius: That's happened to me before; Can't remember what I did, sorry. Did you say there were drive activity lights?
13:22.39ngomesbut ill read
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13:23.46Grueliusblast_hardcheese: i think its flashing, almost looks constant lol
13:23.55Grueliusaka i cant really tell
13:24.07blast_hardcheeseGruelius: I'd leave it. If it were crashed it'd be off
13:24.10GattoDiSchrodingchompskies: it worked, ty, but..
13:24.14chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: anything?
13:24.20GattoDiSchrodingnot only iceweasel fonts changed...
13:24.32GattoDiSchrodingall fonts changed
13:24.33blast_hardcheeseGruelius: Try accessing it again in a couple hours :\
13:25.22chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: yeah, it's global
13:25.39Grueliushaha rightio :( lol
13:25.41chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: got a screen shot? You can prevent specific fonts from getting AA'd
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13:26.31GattoDiSchrodingi can't say if they are more beautiful or more ugly...
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13:26.52GattoDiSchrodingI'll have to get used to
13:27.21blast_hardcheeseGruelius: I just checked my detail, 3% complete =___=
13:27.24chompskiesApple's font display is the best, I reckon
13:27.41blast_hardcheeseI forgot one of my cats ended up powering that box off when it was around 14%
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13:27.47blast_hardcheesevery sad.
13:27.48vaqAnyone here using ipcad? Currently my installation is only accouting on subnets and not single ip's, why ?
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13:29.03sonnehello there
13:29.10blast_hardcheesehello here
13:29.16sonnedoes anyone know how to tell pam to ignore /etc/passwd in favor of something else?
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13:29.48sonnei'm using pam-python now, and it works pretty good, except for the fact that pam still requires users to be on /etc/passwd before authenticating them
13:29.55sonneis there any way to change this behavior?
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13:30.22GattoDiSchrodingchompskies: http://imagebin.ca/img/6uIHg5.png
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13:30.38joltcansonne: probably something in /etc/pam.d/common-password or common-*
13:30.47tushkiregister tushar tusharsharma43@gmail.com
13:30.49sonnei've commented the lines including those files
13:30.53sonnedid i do wrong?
13:30.55chompskiessonne: comment out @include common-password in pam.d/passwd
13:31.02sonneoh that's what i did :(
13:31.10sonne(just for the record, i'm working on sshd)
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13:32.19chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: that looks good to me :)
13:32.28sonnei guess the directives in common-password telling to check /etc/passwd are pretty much redundant, since it seems to check that file anyway
13:32.33sonneis there maybe a way to tell it not to?
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13:32.53joltcansonne: I think pam_unix.so handles /etc/passwd
13:33.03sonnebut pam_unix.so isn't included in any place
13:33.43sonnepam_unix.so is not loaded, and all @includes are commented
13:33.56GattoDiSchrodingchompskies: yes...maybe it's good. iceweasel fonts are much better now
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13:34.58chompskiesGattoDiSchroding: nice desktop btw
13:35.22jerojasrohi all. I just made a dist-upgrade (squeeze here), and now my mouse scroll wheel has stopped working
13:35.34jerojasroany hints on how to proceed about this?
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13:37.45sonneno ideas heh? :(
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13:38.15chompskiesjerojasro: look through dpkg log for recent package upgrades, and see which one(s) ties into Xorg input
13:38.37rgrngomes: did you get any actual help or did you get it working?
13:38.47chompskiesand then check bugreports. I'm running squeeze, and I'm not getting this with daily updates
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13:39.42chompskiesjerojasro: also, tried restarting X server?
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13:50.17jerojasroyeah
13:51.42jerojasroxserver-xorg-input-mouse is in the log
13:52.02jerojasroand  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics too
13:52.26chompskiesmaybe restart hal?
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13:52.46jerojasroI've rebooted the machine, to no avail
13:53.02jerojasro(is a laptop, don't be too harsh on me ;)
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13:57.50jerojasroit looks that there is no real problem, only not-proper default configuration values
13:58.08jerojasroI'll edit xorg.conf and see if that works
13:58.38tdnI am using libnss-pgsql on Debian. How can I use BOTH /etc/passwd and users in postgresql? So that it only searches db, if user is not found in /etc/passwd.
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13:59.47kjsHi, how can I find out what php.ini apache is using?
13:59.59tdnkjs, strace it.
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14:00.06kjs/etc/php5/apache2/php.ini looks to be the one it's using, but I would like to confirm
14:00.09kjsok.
14:00.17kjsstrace, then start apache?
14:01.06tdnkjs, stop apache; start apache under strace.
14:01.13tdnkjs, look for files it opens.
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14:02.20themillor just look at phpinfo()
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14:02.39tdnEven better :)
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14:07.42joneI'm trying to find a way to make a bootable pendrive, with windows xp install, been on debian for about two years (eee1000h). Googled a lot, but I find no way of making the stick in linux (§22 in order to install windows you need windows) :D
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14:09.41Justinjone: did you try just running the same tool that converts a linux iso to a disk image?
14:09.54Justinthe process should be the same
14:10.14joneJustin: tried various tools, also with unetbootin and I dont get it to work
14:10.32Justinshrugs
14:10.37Justinsounds like a question for #windows
14:10.56joneDid ask there and they said to talk about it in a linuxchan
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14:11.59ootput##linux
14:12.13joneAsked there already.
14:12.28ootputand if they ask you which distro you're using, don't say debian, else the loop will forever continue
14:12.54jonetbh, I'm not new to linux, but I cant find a solution to this problem.
14:13.35HazardXthere's a way to hack the windows XP installer CD, that'll let it install (then run) off a USB device.
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14:13.57sorcerThere are aparently lots of ways, but requeries windows to make :P
14:14.02Justina bootable cd generally just has an embedded bootable floppy image
14:14.15Justinso you can definitely dump that on to a usb drive to get it to boot
14:14.17HazardXsorcer, right, so get Virtual box, then get windows.
14:15.01Juozapashi how to disable monitor sleep mode on debian lenny fluxbox ? xorg.conf no dpms already tried, didn't help
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14:15.32ootputjone: perhaps some combination of wine + BartPE?
14:15.51ootputif you recently changed nicks, sorry
14:15.59sorcerTried it, wont run BartPE, lack of drivesupport I guess
14:16.12sorcerI starts ok, but freezes
14:16.16marhis there a way to take over _running_ x applications from remote (similar to ssh -X or such)?
14:17.23chompskiesmarh: x2x
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14:17.52chompskiesssh tunnels would work
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14:18.42chompskiesno dev in a while, though, it seems
14:19.07marhchompskies: thanks, i'll investigate that :)
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14:32.22ngomesjust install flash player with apt from backports and ice weasel wont load it ... do i need to make something else ?
14:32.41boscaiolocan someone tell me how to discover what post-install actions were taken for a particular .deb ?
14:33.29Justinboscaiolo: /var/lib/dpkg/info/
14:34.01boscaioloJustin: Ah, I see...
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14:35.02ngomeshelp ?
14:35.12boscaioloJustin: that is so easy!  tx!
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14:35.48ngomesi did what wiki says to istall flash
14:35.56ngomesand it wont load
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14:47.37ngomeshelp with flash plugin on iceweasel plz
14:47.55Titan8990!flash
14:47.55dpkgit has been said that flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser.  Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation.  See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer
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14:48.11Titan8990!tell ngomes about adobe flash
14:48.19ngomesi've read that
14:48.23ngomeswont work
14:48.40Titan8990what won't work?
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14:49.16Titan8990!doesn't work
14:49.16dpkgLook buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement.  Does it sit on the couch all day long?  Does it procrastinate doing the dishes?  Does it beg on the street for change?  Please be specific!  Define 'it' and what it isn't doing.  Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?".  Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>.
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14:50.32smacnayI am curious, what is the difference between the linux-image-2.6.32-rc8-amd64 and linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64.  I realise the first is a release candidate and therefore not a final release but am not sure how that differs from the one labelled "trunk"?
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14:50.57ngomeswell... wiki instructions and still dont work
14:51.12ngomeswont load on browser
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14:52.37OpenTokixsmacnay: My educated guess is that trunk is from the actual repository of source, the trunk of the making of the package. And the rc8 is a frozen rc in the same repo
14:52.51OpenTokixie. the trunk is probably somewhat fresher then the rc
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14:53.13ngomesso , noone uses debian lenny with flash here
14:53.29Justin!+wayttd ngomes
14:53.29dpkgWhat Are You Trying To Do, ngomes?
14:53.44smacnayOpenTokix, thanks - I am not even sure I will update from my working 2.6.30 but if I do, I will probably use the trunk version.
14:53.52OpenTokixngomes: I do, I just downloaded .so-file from adobe
14:54.06OpenTokixsmacnay: Why upgrade if you dont need to?
14:54.45ngomesOpenTokix: in witch dir u put it ?
14:55.00smacnayOpenTokix, that is what I ask myself - I have no need for a newer kernel as far as I can tell.
14:55.05OpenTokixngomes: /usr/lib/iceweasel/plugins
14:55.09ngomesk
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14:55.41abrotmanngomes: how did you install flash ?
14:55.55Juozapashi how to disable monitor sleep mode on debian lenny fluxbox ? xorg.conf no dpms already tried, didn't help
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14:56.50chompskiescuriously, have any of you tried gnash? with youtube?
14:56.59OpenTokixchompskies: yes, it sucks
14:57.08abrotmanchompskies: it's very hit/miss
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14:57.36chompskies:(
14:57.38Justinif all you want to do is use youtube there are much better alternatives
14:57.49abrotmanlike youtube-dl
14:57.52pigdudeHow does one get rid of the annoying warning, "perl: warning: Setting locale failed." in a fresh Lenny install?
14:57.52chompskiesJustin: I use others
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14:58.02chompskiesyeah, I use downloaders for certain sites
14:58.10Justinor newer versions of vlc or totem that can directly view youtube videos
14:58.38pigdudeor I could read the full error message on dpkg-reconfigure locales :)
14:59.06abrotmanpigdude: setup your locales ?
14:59.09chompskiesthe only problem with downloaders, I've found was that it was an all-or-nothing approach, ie no previews of otherwise-crap uploads
14:59.33pigdudeabrotman, yea, I ran the command and saw another error, didn't take the time to read that I needed to install the locales pkg :)
14:59.55abrotmanpigdude: that warning is not dire ..
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15:00.14pigdudeabrotman, yea, just annoying.all fixed now
15:00.35fubada?se habla espa?ol?
15:00.49nkuttler!es
15:00.49dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
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15:01.18ngomesabrotman: with wiki flashplugin-nonfree instructions
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15:03.00Studiosus_!squeeze
15:03.00dpkgSqueeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.  It is the three-eyed space alien.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html  Ask me about <testing>.  Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze.  Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729.  See also <squeeze kernel>.
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15:04.02pigdudemaybe it's just luck of the draw, but lenny was very stable for me shortly after the etch release. squeeze has been very buggy...I think that most issues have been related to GTK
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15:05.29Titan8990pigdude, i wouldn't say that... been a lot more brokenness than gtk
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15:06.30pigdudeTitan8990, I guess that's just where I see it most. Copying out of GVim is pretty well broken and I still can't set Nautilus prefs because it crashes Nautilus (I saw a bug report on the latter)
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15:09.46pigdudeTitan8990, is there a tool available that would simplify bug reporting (a desktop app)? I'd certainly like to report these things
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15:10.41ngomesanyone uses pidgin ?
15:10.53ngomesmsn protocol returns protocol not suported by server
15:11.08Titan8990they recently changed their protocol
15:11.46Titan8990ask in pigdin's channel, if you need a newer version, /msg dpkg ssb
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15:12.09markybobor you could use backports...it has pdigin
15:12.21markybobhttp://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/pidgin
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15:13.33ngomes!backports
15:13.33dpkgbackport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/.  Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
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15:14.30abrotmanngomes: ls -l /etc/alternatives/flash-plugin.so
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15:17.51DarkHackor you could use aMSN
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15:19.34Rprp`Hi! for some reason my SSHD and bash and other stuff is set to -2 nice in the proccess list. A reboot doesnt help and it will be set to -2 again. is this normal? screen: http://www.genovese.nl/uploads/20091210-16180.png
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15:20.25abrotmanRprp`: is there a problem with that ?
15:20.47Rprp`abrotman: not really, but all of my other servers doesnt have it, so, it was kinda strange to see it
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15:21.20fireba11hi, i need to edit a hige file (>4Gb) on the shell. i only need to make a very small change, how can i do that fast? :-)
15:21.34ethanolhey guys. is it ok if I add an external nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf on our own nameserver? (currently it only has 127.0.0.1 as a nameserver)
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15:25.58abrotmanethanol: why not just try it?
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15:35.01XeliHey i'm running chrooting debian from ubuntu, and when i try installing libc-bn-armel-cross im getting the error that it is not installable "E: Broken packages" is there anyway to fix this?
15:35.03ethanolabrotman: I have no experience with dns servers. I usually just handle our mail/web ones. so I don't know if it will affect the bind/named service in any way. I just did it anyway, and removed the entry after I installed the package I wanted.
15:35.27abrotmanXeli: depends on the error
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15:37.04Xeliabrotman: It gives me the message: The following packages have unmet dependencies: Libc6-armel-cross: Depends libc-bin-armel-cross but it is not installable E: Broken packages
15:37.14HazardXI really wish there was a flag to give dpkg to tell it "you're running in a chroot, don't run start/stop scripts", then I could actually update udev on some of my nfsboots, without having to rely on black magic and dumb luck.
15:37.25abrotmanXeli: can you install the dependency first ?
15:37.42Xeliabrotman, No it gives me the same message
15:38.05HazardXrun aptitude, see if you can see what it wants to change
15:38.25Xelionly now: missing package, obsoleted or only available from another source
15:38.27abrotmanXeli: aptitude -f install ?
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15:38.34abrotmanXeli: is this lenny?
15:38.39chellomereXeli, sorry, from where are you getting this package?
15:39.03chellomereit does not appear to be in debian.
15:39.09Xeliyeah this is lenny, from emdebian.org/debian
15:39.19abrotmanoh .. there's an emdebian channel on OFTC
15:39.26Xeliit's for making emdebian-tools working
15:39.34Xeliahh oke, ill have a look there then, thanks ;)
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15:40.49chellomereah, emdebian
15:42.32abrotman!tell Xeli about emdebian
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15:46.22A_I_hello
15:46.41A_I_how can I get the content of debian/changelog of an installed package ?
15:47.04A_I_is there something like dpkg --changelog or apt-cache changelog ?
15:47.38themillA_I_: less /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz. Or "aptitude changelog packagename"
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15:49.42A_I_thank you themill !
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15:54.27Proguard161how do i create a bootable usb drive
15:54.27Proguard161?
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15:57.28nsadminProguard161: can your bios boot from usb?
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15:57.52Proguard161yeah
15:58.16Anurai am trying to work with source packages, what is the correct way to apply the .diff, ive already extraded the original source with tar -xvvf
15:58.37nsadminso it's just like normal... put grub on it (or whatever)
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15:58.46Anurai try to run patch -p0 *.diff but the console just stalls, nothign happens
15:59.10Proguard161when i start up i select to boot from usb then it searces for the img then it says ok and start windows normally
15:59.32nsadminAnura: man dpkg-source
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16:00.20nsadmin(the "correct" way being to use that)
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16:01.20Proguard161do i need to put any othe files on my usb to make it bootable?
16:01.20nsadminalso, if you're interested, patch is waiting for the patch on stdin
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16:03.01Anuraright right...
16:03.08Anurathats what i forgot... it needs the <
16:03.17Anuraits been awhile..
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16:04.11nsadmin(you asked for the "correct" way, btw, and if how source packages are stored will change, then dpkg-source will know how to do it
16:04.15nsadmin)
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16:04.59Anurai jsut wasnt familiar enough with dpkg-source to know if i could trust it, i just wanted to extract the source and make sure the .diff was applied to it correctly
16:05.05Anuraso then i could play and compile how i want
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16:06.41nsadminconsider that most devs use it
16:07.08nsadminand most if not all autobuilders
16:07.35nsadminbut... now you've learned something about patch and another way.
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16:11.48nsadminis it possible to tell fdisk to create partitions such that there is a partition boot sector, 64 unused sectors and then the partition?
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16:12.15nsadminat least in primary partitions
16:12.41Anurai just still dont know enough about this process tbh, i just want to know how it works, everything a diff file patches usually goes into a 'debian' directory, it doesnt make any changes to the original source files, how does ./configure or make pick up on that
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16:13.18nsadminAnura: ok, I'm glad you got that (but remember that wasn't the question you originally asked)
16:13.40nsadminwell
16:13.53nsadmindebian/rules normally invoke configure and make
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16:14.35nsadmindebian/rules is almost always itself a makefile, what makes it different from most makefiles is it's executable and has #!/usr/bin/make at the time
16:14.38nsadmintop
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16:15.32nsadminAnura: compare all files of gnu hello as it comes from ftp.gnu.org against all files of the debian source package hello
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16:17.42nsadmindo it manually, i.e., read them yourself rather than look at a diff
16:18.32nsadminyou'll learn a lot of things by doing that, about gnu configure system and about debian packaging
16:19.13nsadmindebhelper has been friend to devs for a long time... it's lots of tiny executables, each with a man page
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16:28.30remotewhat does ITP stands for? (eg: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=453906)
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16:30.13sepultwtf
16:30.51sepultdoes irc require alternative nicknames in other networks or servers ?
16:31.09remotesepult: no
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16:31.16CalJohnremote: intent to package
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16:31.18remotesepult: ask in an IRC related channel
16:31.25remoteCalJohn: thank you
16:31.45sepultcause, i'm connected now to irc.linuxfromscratch.org too, and i
16:31.45sepulteven registered, but the server complains my nick is not registered
16:31.45sepultwhen i do /msg nickserv identify sepult bla
16:32.02sepulti already put the auth code
16:32.12sepultit just happens now
16:32.14remotesepult: you're way off topic
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16:32.26sepulti'm not offtopic this is irc
16:32.28remotethis isn't even linuxfromscratch's network
16:32.34sepultyes
16:32.34chompskiessepult: yeah, you're way off base
16:32.53sepultok thanks for all you sucks
16:32.57CalJohnsepult: irc has rooms - called channels.  for this channel, you are very off-topic
16:33.07sepultwhy offtopic ?
16:33.15CalJohnthis channel is about debian.
16:33.17remotesepult: #debian-offtopic
16:33.19chompskiessepult: you probably haven't registered correctly
16:33.22remotei'll help you there
16:33.27sepultnever the less it is an irc channel not ?
16:33.31chompskiessepult: ie finish the auth procedure (check email address)
16:33.36sepulti did
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16:33.39sepulti finished
16:33.43sepultthat's why i ask
16:33.46CalJohnsepult: consider emailing everyone with an email address when you can't get outlook working.
16:34.09sepultit even accepted the code
16:34.19sepultand i even logged in
16:34.21ootputsepult: you haven't followed instructions in both cases
16:34.28ootputirc auth, and #debian
16:34.31sepultah shut up man
16:34.35sepulti did i tell ya
16:34.44remotehas anyone tried google chrome?
16:34.49sepultis there some leak in auth in irc ?
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16:35.35remotesepult: i switched from debian to ubuntu a while back without reason but i'm glad to be running debian again you have no idea
16:35.53sepultremote ?
16:36.05sepultlol
16:36.07sepultubuntu
16:36.14sepultalmost debian
16:36.21sepultbut not quite
16:36.21chompskiesI also assumed you were an ubuntuer
16:36.40remotesomeone suggested me to try ubuntu about 3 years ago and eventually i did and stayed with it for a few years but debian is what i want
16:36.55sepulti just once booted into some ubuntu cd
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16:37.03remotei installed ubuntu on an iMac g5 and my mom likes it but it's not for me
16:37.05sepulthaven't discovered anything new in it
16:37.06cahootchompskies: not all clueless run ubuntu
16:37.30chompskies:)
16:37.41remoteit just misses some functional flash player, it's tricky because it doesn't has an intel cpu
16:37.49Rprp`abrotman: dunno if you still are here, but about the -2 nice thingie, is it normal?
16:37.54chompskiescahoot: but the clueless do flock to it
16:37.59jellycahoot: also, not all ubuntu users are clueless
16:38.21magyar_hi, need help with xen on lenny please
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16:39.12remotemagyar_: there must be a xen channel innit?
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16:39.28remotemagyar_: try ##xen it's full of people
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16:39.58cahootjelly: that goes without saying
16:39.59remote!xen
16:39.59dpkgwell, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer.  OSs must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen, although compatibility is maintained for user applications.  Xen achieves high performance virtualization without special hardware support.  For detailed help, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xen .  #debian-xen on irc.oftc.net.  See also <virtualization>.
16:40.21remotemagyar_: there, #debian-xen irc.oftc.net too
16:41.07magyar_remote, i've been on those channels for the past week, and not once i had any responces
16:41.14remotethe biggest problem with ubuntu is the amount of people in their channel, it's apocalyptic
16:41.17newsensewow xen can do up to 100 systems, how many can kvm do ?
16:41.25remotemagyar_: have you tried the xen mailing lists?
16:41.33magyar_it almost feels that i type but no one sees it
16:42.05magyar_remote, i guess that's my las resource
16:42.20remotemagyar_: read this first maybe it'll help, http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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16:42.45remoteyou can always ask here too maybe you'll be lucky
16:42.51sepultok
16:42.53magyar_remote, my questions are fairly straight forward, i've been around for a few years
16:42.56sepulti reconnected
16:43.15sepultsomehow i was thrown out of linuxfromscratch.org's network i think
16:43.36chompskiesdon't bother them with freenode issues
16:43.50magyar_remote, this is the question that i placed"  "hi, i have a HVM windows running on xen 3.2. When I restart the windows domu i loose network connection to dom0 for a few minutes"
16:45.03remotemagyar_: don't ask me, if i could've been helpful i wouldn't have suggested all the other places where you can ask!
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16:48.50magyar_remote, got it, thanks for your help
16:49.18Rprp`Hi! for some reason my SSHD and bash and other stuff is set to -2 nice in the proccess list. A reboot doesnt help and it will be set to -2 again. is this normal? screen: http://www.genovese.nl/uploads/20091210-16180.png
16:49.19petemcmagyar_: anything in the logs for those times?
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16:51.11magyar_petemc, this is what i have in /var/log/messages  >> http://pastebin.ca/1709777
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16:51.28aroonihi folks, i have a raid 1 setup on karmic ubuntu.  its across two drives where /dev/md0 is /root and /dev/md1 is /home.  ubuntu *was* complaining that it couldnt mount /dev/md1 (/home)..., so i booted into live cd and ran 'sudo fsck /dev/md0' and 'sudo fsck/dev/md1' and i see: 'The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2"... in addition when i try to boot up, i see the ubuntu logo and nothing happens :(.  idea
16:51.28aroonis?
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16:52.12petemcmagyar_: the xen logs might be more telling
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16:56.34magyar_petemc,   http://pastebin.ca/1709781    qemu-dm-11.log
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16:59.21magyar_petemc, no errors in xend.log
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17:01.56Rprp`for some reason, my system is setting -2 nice for all the procceses i start (When i restart httpd for example, or mysql), does someone know how i can fix it? Screen: http://www.genovese.nl/uploads/20091210-17552.png
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17:08.32jhutchins_ltRprp`: I'd be looking on google, but how are you determining the nice level of the process?
17:09.31jhutchins_ltarooni-mobile: Using the new kernel?
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17:11.19obliorandom trivia
17:11.28obliowhat was port 80 assigned to prior to it being http?
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17:18.37Kuifje111hello all, I know it is possible to unrar rars on linux, but is it also possible to create rar archives on linux?
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17:19.06sonneyep, with "rar"
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17:19.55heloRAR!
17:20.05HazardX*eeeep*
17:20.35krionzip!
17:21.06CalJohni recently upgraded to testing from stable, and now iceweasel crashes on almost every web page.  is this a known bug?
17:22.12Kuifje111ok, thanks.
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17:27.01Rprp`jhutchins_kc: waht do you mean?
17:27.02Rprp`what*
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17:28.36EagleRockCalJohn: how did you perform the upgrade?
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17:31.47funkyhello
17:32.04funkyis there any thunderbird3 package for debian yet?
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17:34.45Stereofunky: you're kidding, right ?
17:35.00funkywhy?
17:35.07Stereoit's brand new
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17:35.28funkythere are usually some unofficial packages
17:35.39markl_is it possible to specify a mac address with an alias in /etc/network/interfaces so the alias has its own mac?
17:36.18HazardXmark1 don't think so...
17:36.36markl_it appears that i can set it with ifconfig at least
17:37.24funkymarkl_: hw parameter
17:37.40HazardXeh, maybe then? I wouldn't think so since the hardware can only have one address, and if both the real and aliased ports are active, they'd have to have the same hardware address
17:38.08HazardXof course some wifi adapaters can fake multiple MACs, so I dunno
17:38.27funkymarkl_: ifconfig ethX hw ether xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx
17:39.20funkyyou can also use macchanger, it's in apt
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17:40.27HazardXbut you couldn't have two different macs on the same port (I think)
17:41.16markl_funky: the problem is if i change it for the eth2:0 alias, it also changes it for eth2
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17:41.54Rprp`for some reason, my system is setting -2 nice for all the procceses i start (When i restart httpd for example, or mysql), does someone know how i can fix it? Screen: http://www.genovese.nl/uploads/20091210-17552.png
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17:45.18jhutchins_ltSuddenly all my konsole sessions are launching sh instead of bash.  How do I fix that?
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17:46.51themilljhutchins_lt: settings -> configure -> session: make sure that they are using "bash" not "sh". You might want them to use "bash -ls" too so that your .bash_profile gets properly sourced.
17:47.14jhutchins_lton konsole, right?  passwd had been changed to use sh.
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17:47.37jhutchins_ltthemill: settings on konsole, right?
17:47.44tkingyea
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17:48.11jhutchins_ltset to execute bash.
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17:52.56Rprp`Is it possible to reconfigure 'nice'? for some reason the output of 'nice' gives -2, and i suppose thats the reason why all the procceses starts with -2 nice
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17:56.26jhutchins_ltStill loading /bin/sh instead of /bin/bash - wtf?
17:56.46jhutchins_ltI used usermod, and /etc/passwd now says /bin/bash, but still getting sh.
17:56.56Kuifje111weird
17:56.58themilljhutchins_lt: how can you tell?
17:57.12Titan8990echo $SHELL
17:57.26Kuifje111usermod -s /bin/sh $USER
17:58.12jhutchins_ltthemill: Prompt is sh-3.2$
17:58.27jhutchins_lt$SHELL is /bin/bash.
17:58.35jhutchins_ltsu - will give me a bash prompt.
17:58.50themilljhutchins_lt: remember what I said about using "bash -ls"?
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17:59.46jhutchins_ltthemill: Heh.  That fixed it.  Some update?
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18:00.39cyberwalk_rj-brHi everybody ...
18:00.42jhutchins_ltWell, thanks, fixed now however it happened.
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18:00.59cyberwalk_rj-brIs there any problema to create a boot partition in a raid 6 array ?
18:01.01lolufailhi!
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18:01.23lolufailis using the wordpress package from sid on lenny a good or !good idea?
18:01.32lolufailwith apt pinning
18:02.19lolufail"If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead."
18:02.20lolufailoh
18:02.38Titan8990web applications is the only thing I don't use the package manager for. installation typically consists of extract tarball in documentroot...
18:02.44Rprp`Is it possible to reconfigure 'nice'? for some reason the output of 'nice' gives -2, and i suppose thats the reason why all the procceses starts with -2 nice
18:02.49Titan8990and most web applications provide their own method of upgrades
18:03.06lolufailTitan8990: updates would have been the only reason to do it
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18:03.44Kuifje111web applications dont need to be compilled, so..
18:03.58lolufailKuifje111: so?
18:04.12Kuifje111so there's not much need to use a package manager
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18:04.37lolufailKuifje111: the package manager would upgrade them for me
18:04.47lolufailif I cronjob safe upgrades
18:05.11cyberwalk_rj-brIs there any problem to create a /boot partition in a raid 6 array ?
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18:05.42icerootKuifje111: the packagemanager is also good for software which must not be compiled
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18:05.59lolufailcyberwalk_rj-br: yes, grub stage 1,5 can't do any raid
18:06.37lolufailcyberwalk_rj-br: it can only handle raid1, and that's only because it doesn't see it as raid
18:07.43julianoliveri'm building a package for debian that doesn't have a configure script, a makefile is sufficient. dpkg-buildpackage insists on a configure script. any way around this?
18:08.07lolufailjulianoliver: fake one..
18:08.14julianoliverok.
18:08.19cyberwalk_rj-brlolu, thanks, bro !
18:08.21julianolivertouch configure
18:08.24lolufailjulianoliver: exit 0;
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18:09.08lolufailglad I can help :D doesnt happen often ;)
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18:10.09julianoliverlanthan: yeah, just an echo "foo" did the trick ;)
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18:13.36lolufailfunky, sid is more recent than ubuntu lucid :D
18:13.39lolufailfor nginx at least
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18:15.01Rprp`Is it possible to reconfigure 'nice'? for some reason the output of 'nice' gives -2, and i suppose thats the reason why all the procceses starts with -2 nice
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18:15.22odlahi i am have a thinkpad x301 and i'm running lenny and needed to get the 2.6.30 kernel from backports for my wireless card ... now it seems that i can't control the brightness for my display ... any ideas?
18:16.29abrotmanRprp`: man renice
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18:17.32Rprp`abrotman: its not renice (i think?) the system is just setting everything to -2.. very strange, and 'nice' is set to -2..
18:17.45lolufailodla: being ex-gentoo, I'd recommend building your own kernel
18:17.58lolufailodla: it's easier than it seems
18:18.04odlai don't really want to ... i think it has to do with the thinkpad-acpi
18:18.15abrotmanodla: they may have changed the kernel interface
18:18.40lolufaildoes the 2.6.30 still have the /proc interface?
18:19.01odlathis looks relevant ... http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Brightness_On_Thinkpad_x61s_running_Debian
18:19.20lolufailodla: ls /proc/acpi/video/VID1/LCD0/brightness
18:19.38odlaNo such file or directory
18:19.38odla<PROTECTED>
18:19.49lolufaills -l /proc/acpi/video
18:19.53Rprp`abrotman: 'dpkg-reconfigure util-linux' didnt work either. :-(
18:20.10abrotmanRprp`: which version of debian is this?
18:20.26lolufailodla: ^
18:20.41Rprp`abrotman: lenny, 5.0.3
18:20.42odlalolufail: nope
18:21.02lolufailodla: ls /proc
18:21.03lolufail:D
18:21.08abrotmanRprp`: is this an external server?
18:21.20Rprp`abrotman: Yes it is
18:21.22abrotmanodla: maybe look at the documentation for the thinkpad-acpi package
18:21.23odlalolufail: this looks relevant ... http://pastebin.ca/1709891
18:21.30abrotmanRprp`: you might want to install debsums and let it run
18:21.35odlaabrotman: i think that's what might be the problem too
18:21.53lolufailodla: /proc/acpi/video should be present everywhere, if you have proc
18:21.58abrotmanodla: have you tried just using the BIOS keys?
18:21.59Rprp`abrotman: running it now
18:22.19odlaabrotman: what do you mean? i'm using fn+home (which should be up brightness)
18:22.21Rprp`abrotman: /usr/bin/nice                                                                 OK
18:22.29lolufailodla: therefore my questions, since /proc is deprecated, it's bound to be exluded from some stock kernels
18:22.39odlalolufail: /proc is present
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18:23.05abrotmanodla: yes
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18:23.22lolufailodla: present or filled with nodes?
18:23.27odlalolufail: filled
18:23.39odlashold i try rmmod acpi && modprobe thinkpad-acpi?
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18:23.51odlaor sending the kernel some command?
18:24.19lolufailodla: I'd start with searching the brightness file... find /proc -name brightness
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18:24.46odlalolufail: nadda
18:24.46lolufailif you have proc, and the module is loaded (which I read fro myour kern.log), it must be somewhere :D
18:25.06odlai mean nothing
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18:25.27lolufailodla: then I'd download the kernel headers, run make menuconfig, search the thinkpad stuff, and check if there's some switch for it to appear in /proc
18:25.36abrotmanor try it all!
18:25.53lolufailabrotman: try it all?
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18:26.17ansumonhii all, i cannot install debian from windows vista using the installer , it says ini file cannot be found. is there anything i have to do before installing from windowws
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18:27.43odlaah ha! http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521280
18:29.01abrotmanodla: supposedly fixed about a month ago
18:29.05abrotmanjudd: versions acpid
18:29.06juddabrotman: acpid -- etch: 1.0.4-5 etch-security: 1.0.4-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.8-1 lenny-security: 1.0.8-1lenny1 lenny-backports: 1.0.10-4~bpo50+1 sid: 1.0.10-4 squeeze: 1.0.10-4
18:29.17abrotmanodla: perhaps try the acpid from backprots ?
18:29.20abrotmanbackports even
18:29.53odlaabrotman: oh there's an acpid from backports ...
18:29.56odlagoes to check
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18:31.03cesuraseancan someone tell me why SSL keeps pulling a certificate for the wrong domain? every domain is using the same ssl certs, but i want them to use seperate. is there a setting im missing here?
18:31.42pigdudeerm, which libcurl-dev package do I want? they conflict so I can't install both...
18:31.57pigdudeI can choose openssl or gnutls
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18:32.36abrotmandepends what you're doing
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18:32.54pigdudeI think the openssl one will have fewer dependencies
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18:32.57odlanope
18:33.43cesuraseanabortman, are you good with mod_ssl?
18:33.43pigdudewhat I'm going is trying to install curl-config which these provide
18:33.43cesuraseando you mind helping me out for a second, bro?
18:33.43pigdude*doing
18:33.43abrotmancesurasean: same IP ?
18:33.43cesuraseanyes
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18:33.51cesuraseanit seems like it's forwarding to apache's default page
18:33.58cesuraseanwhere do i edit those settings?
18:34.13abrotmanISTR not possible with same ip/same port for different SSL certs for different domains
18:34.14cesuraseanhow does apache determine those things?
18:34.27cesuraseanreally?
18:34.34cesuraseanthere is no way to use different certs?
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18:34.46abrotmancesurasean: verify in #httpd .. but i'm pretty sure
18:34.51pigdudeI'll go with the gnu one, has fewer deps
18:34.57striboghey guys, do you know of any current resource where I can find out how to make a usb stick bootable?
18:35.00cesuraseani think you are wrong
18:35.04cesuraseanwhy would you say that?
18:35.07stribogI want latest stable debian
18:35.18cesuraseanwhy would 1 more ip make a difference?
18:35.19pigdudestribog, lenny
18:35.27striboglenny?
18:35.31abrotmanif you think i'm wrong, then do it
18:35.42abrotman!tell stribog about usb install
18:35.43icerootcesurasean: for every cert with domain you need another ip
18:35.54abrotmansee .. i'm not crazy
18:36.06stribogah thanks
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18:37.43stribogabrotman: thanks
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18:46.28odlathe newer acpid does not solve my issue
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18:48.12cheakoHello, is there a way to 'automatically' remove the Link/Local address from an interface?  I have been using an ifconfig command after the link is up and this works most of the time.  I'm talking about the /inet6 addr: [0-9a-f:\/]* Scope:Link/, as in fe80::/64
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18:51.09Rprp`abrotman: did some more research, when i change the priority of '-bash' to 0, 'nice' is set back to 0, and all the procceses start with a normal priority again, but, after a reboot its set back to -2.. can you help me please? :p
18:51.43abrotmanRprp`: i haven't seen that happen magically like that .. the debsums didn't throw anything odd ?
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18:51.54Rprp`abrotman: nope, all say oke
18:52.14abrotmanRprp`: did you check your sshd_config perhaps?
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18:52.43Rprp`abrotman: not yet, but i dont think its causing to renice bash, should it?
18:53.03Justins/renice/nice/
18:53.13abrotmanRprp`: i said i haven't seen that
18:53.38Rprp`hmm, well, nothing weirds in sshd config
18:54.23cheakoRprp`: This can be done by a daemon called and.  It can also be set as part of your GECOS field in /etc/passwd.
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18:56.11joel__Anyone know why MySQL might deny connections from anything other than localhost?
18:56.37joel__I'm trying to connect to it from MySQL-Administrator on a Windows machine.
18:56.43joel__Debian's implementation of MySQL, that is.
18:56.49cheakojoel__: Should be the default for any daemon, per policy.
18:56.54joel__Gotchya.
18:56.54Rprp`cheako: nothing weirds in /etc/passwd, and i cant find a deamon called 'and'
18:56.56zleapjoel__, firewall anywhere
18:56.57joel__How might I disable this?
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18:57.03joel__Or do you feel this is a security risk to allow this
18:57.08Kuifje111joel__: you could use ssh to connect to it.
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18:57.23joel__Right. Or, run VNC under SHH, and use MySQL Administrator there?
18:57.27cheakojoel__: Likely all you need to do is alter the mysql config file, try reading the docs under /usr/share/doc
18:58.49cheakojoel__: It is a security risk, for MySQL you should only allow connections from hosts you trust completely.  That said it should be easy to change this and get mysql to bind to the interface you need.
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19:00.25cheakojoel__: You can run X applications over ssh.  There is an option in sshd_config to allow this and you pass the '-X' flag to an ssh client that has access to the X server.
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19:01.23cheakoThe better option would be to use ssh's port forwarding to forward mysql connections to the remote host.
19:02.41tkingI'm using debian(etch) to control a robotic arm in the lab and it is acting up and killed a few undergrad students. I'm not sure if I can post the dmesg or other information without faculty consent but this only happens on every some reboot where mdadm whigs out, how do I stop the killings?
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19:03.55cheakohttp://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/windows-and-ssh.html
19:05.05tkingcorrection: lenny on mipsel
19:05.45odlahrm ... if i roll my own kernel with the kernel source from backports.org package will it have the default debian config until i change stuff?
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19:06.41odlaall i want is to enable CONFIG_VIDEO_OUTPUT_CONTROL and CONFIG_ACPI_VIDEO
19:06.44odlaand leave everything else
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19:08.09sepultwhere do i set UTC for clock ?
19:08.15sepultor GMT ?
19:08.17sepultor CET
19:08.27Titan8990odla, both of those are already there as modules in the default kernel
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19:08.52odlahrm ... well then what's up with my brightness then :(
19:10.01cheakotking: Switch to using hardware RAID, cards that do this are falling in price.
19:10.03cheakoodla: If you are using the kernel-source package there will be no config(that is it will have the kernel's default settings).  If you want the Debian config you will have to copy it out of /boot.
19:10.05ehnvissepult: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
19:10.08cheakoodla: Correction...  linux-source package.
19:10.28cheakohttp://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.vbmysql.com/articles/sshtunnel.html
19:10.34mike9494how do i change the resolution of the boot-info (not the bootloader), but the console resolution?
19:10.55odlawell it sounds like there is no reason to rebuild then
19:11.26odlabasically i have a thinkpad x301 and brightness keys don't work ... they worked with 2.6.26 but not with 2.6.30
19:11.43odlaacpi_listen doesn't show them
19:12.18CainHi, how to exclude some datas from a command output ? (normally if i want to see only datas which contains : 'toto' ==> SomeCommand |grep toto but what if i want to view the 'other datas' which not contains 'toto' ?
19:12.37mike9494odla, tried 'xev' ?
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19:13.15KnuckOneCain: grep -v toto
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19:13.20odlamike9494: yeah xev doesn't work
19:14.00CainKnuckOne : thx
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19:14.17mike9494odla, doesnt show anything... : ( hmmm, then i dont know, maybe someone else does?
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19:15.35cliff_W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages  404 Not Found [IP: ::1 80]
19:17.22cliff_Any idea why this might be happening?
19:18.10valdyncliff_: why is your use ftp.us.debian.org resolving to localhost?
19:18.11EagleRockcliff_: that file doesn't exist on the server?
19:18.20EagleRockhttp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/
19:19.13EagleRockyou probably wanted "Packages.gz" not "Packages"
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19:23.20Rprp`cheako: here's a screen in treeform: http://www.genovese.nl/uploads/20091210-195844.png theres nothing weird in /etc/passwd etc..
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19:25.21cheakoheh, processes will inherit there parent's nice value.  renice 2088, the sshd listener, and all should be well.
19:26.02Rprp`cheako: true, but after a reboot its set to -2 again, so it starts all over again..
19:26.18masterofpcis there some kind of special package for the LUKS crypto kernel modules in debian-sparc?
19:27.04cheako/etc/init.d/ssh?  md5 might be e9e3ac10b34985928c7439839c87866f
19:27.35Rprp`how to get the md5? ;p
19:27.35cheakoor... 8e23fc45b4abad24e9c1486f4e18c22e
19:27.41Titan8990Rprp`, md5sum
19:28.00Rprp`cheako: its e23fc45b4abad24e9c1486f4e18c22e
19:28.24cheakoIt might be vary unhelpful to compare md5s and it looks like it is.
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19:29.18Titan8990use debsums
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19:29.32Rprp`Titan8990: tried, nothing wrong
19:29.37cheakoohh, wait, you missed the first letter '8'.
19:29.46cheakoLooks like it matches mine.
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19:30.10Rprp`cheako: i see, sorry. its indeed with the 8
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19:31.01odlaok when i disable acpi (i.e acpi=off) for the 2.6.30 kernel i can control my brightness but then i of course lack other functionality. how can i keep acpi enabled and still use my keys?
19:31.19odlathis is a lenovo x301 and i don't have functionality on my brightness keys
19:31.24odlai did with 2.6.26
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19:34.15cheakoSo, this also effects dhclient, but not udev(mine is also -4).
19:34.19cheakoMy advice, just ignore this.  It's like it's -15 or anything.
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19:35.12cheakoodla: What video card?  Are you loading the DRM?  could be related to the not enabled but still integrated by patch KMS.
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19:40.12mederEsitehow can I install language packs so that I can view chinese, japanese characters in my web browser?
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19:42.56cheakomederEsite: Should be just a matter of installing the font packages for the glyphs you want displayed.
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19:43.26proxmederEsite: http://fruit.je/utf-8 - bottom of page.  I think I installed a few more, too.
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19:44.00qumamederEsite, aptitude install ttf-wqy-zenhei
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19:44.52mederEsiteahh
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19:45.38iooqqwhat utilities are typically used to find out information about running processes? any sort of information that'll lead me to identify what the thing actually is
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19:46.01AimHereps and top are both useful
19:46.03cheakoiooqq: man
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19:46.06Rprp`cheako: for if you wanna know, its dhclient wich is the cause ;p
19:46.23cheakoSweet.
19:46.38iooqqcheako, the man page seems unavailable/non-existent for a certain process that shows up in the result of "lsof|grep snd"
19:47.01iooqqcheako, which I want to eventually kill - but don't want to, because it may be something, and thus not idea to kill uncleanly
19:47.09iooqqbe something important*
19:47.15cheakoiooqq: What is the name?
19:47.21iooqqcheako, 'exe'
19:47.37iooqqa good idea* whoops, sorry.
19:48.05mederEsitequma: how sure are you that that is the package I need
19:48.15mederEsitei'm grabbing it now
19:48.51cheakoyeah exe is likely a trojan, if you were correct and answering my question.
19:49.24iooqqI highly doubt so
19:49.48cheakowhat folder is exe in?
19:50.07cheako'dpke -S exe' may be a good place to start.
19:50.09iooqqI don't know! can you tell me how I can find that out?
19:50.13iooqqookay
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19:50.46iooqqbash: dpke: command not found
19:50.50iooqqdid you mean something else there?
19:51.03cheakodpkg, sorry.
19:51.03dpkgDon't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again...
19:51.16cell0anyone know which command would list the most accessed file for a given process (e.g. apache) ?
19:51.27iooqqhttp://debian.pastebin.com/m765fa858
19:51.32ojohey, how can I display an xmessage true an ssh connection on the screen of the server (or any program?)
19:51.32tarzeauabrotman: hi
19:51.51tarzeaudid anyone package google chrome into debian yet?
19:51.56cheakoojo: man ssh read about '-X'.
19:52.08maligortarzeau, why would anyone do that?
19:52.14mederEsitequma: you were right on the dot
19:52.15mederEsiteheh
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19:52.16maligorgoogle has a official .deb of chrome
19:52.20iooqqtarbo, debian chrome has a deb you can install and download
19:52.21cheakoojo: err, waith DISPLAY=:0 xmessage
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19:52.27iooqqs/debian/chrome
19:52.34tarzeaumaligor: because someone might want to be able to do apt-get source google-chrome ?
19:52.41iooqqs/debian/google/* *slaps forehead*
19:52.51ojocheako, that's maiby it! :)
19:52.55maligortarzeau, I'm not sure it's entirely free
19:52.55tarzeaumaligor: yes but i prefer official debian packages
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19:53.00cahoottarzeau: there is in sid
19:53.07tarzeaumaligor: there's the source in google chromium
19:53.11tarzeaucahoot: what's it's name?
19:53.16maligoryes, but that's not the same thing
19:53.27tarzeaumaligor: what's the difference?
19:53.28cahootgoogle-chrome-unstable IIRC
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19:53.39mike9494how do i change the resolution of the boot-info (not the bootloader), but the console resolution?
19:53.57tarzeaucahoot: no that doesn't exist
19:54.05harkcahoot: can't be
19:54.07cahoottarzeau: or I totally misunderstood what chrome you meant
19:54.15sladi-usrmike9494: Do you have GRUB@?
19:54.20maligorthe google chrome package adds their own repo to the apt sources
19:54.25sladi-usrmike9494: grub2
19:54.26tarzeaucahoot: the webkit browser
19:54.29tarzeaumaligor: i know
19:54.30craigevilgoogle-chrome-beta
19:54.43cheakoiooqq: so what does lsof and /proc say about the path of exe?
19:54.51tarzeaucraigevil: neither
19:54.56mike9494sladi-usr, i guess i do, default debian install.. with gnome on amd64
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19:55.06ojocheako, damn now it says: No protocol specified Error: Can't open display: :0.0
19:55.15mike9494but i dont have menu.lst /boot/grub
19:55.16iooqqcheako, the grepped lsof output didn't give me the path, I'll check proc
19:55.20craigevilgoogle-chrome-beta: Installed: 4.0.249.30-r33928 Candidate: 4.0.249.30-r33928
19:55.24ojocheako same for Display=:0
19:55.34tarzeaucraigevil: can you show me the packages.debian.org address?
19:55.39tarzeaucraigevil: the debian package page?
19:55.40harkhas licensing issues afaik, don't think there'll be an official package soon
19:55.42mike9494chrome runs super ***** nice btw on lenny.... that beta
19:55.54Krempelmike9494: grub2 is grub-pc in aptitude. There should be /etc/default/grub too
19:55.55craigevilits not in the debian repos its from the google repo
19:56.00tarzeaumike9494: it also works much better on our nfs home environment than any mozilla software
19:56.05cheakoojo: Ohh, well.
19:56.12abrotmanhi tar
19:56.15abrotmanhi tarzeau
19:56.16tarzeaunot only much more stable, also much faster
19:56.24tarzeauabrotman: guess what i did today!
19:56.35abrotmantarzeau: sold your goat?
19:56.45iooqqcheako, waaaait a second, what'd you mean by /proc?
19:56.51tarzeauabrotman: i don't even have a goat!
19:56.59tarzeauabrotman: http://livecd.gnustep.org/      2.0 is out!
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19:57.26tarzeau100 % mozilla software free!
19:57.37Krempelsrware iron is cool too, it's based on Chrome
19:57.48cheakoiooqq: /proc/<PID>/...
19:58.08cheakoThere should be ./exe and ./fd/255.
19:58.13lvhhi
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19:58.27cheako255 should be a sym link to the file.
19:58.34lvhhow can I start firefox in a way that plugins (such as adobe's flash plugin) will use pulseaudio?
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19:59.33cheakoiooqq: /proc/<PID>/exe should also be a symlink to the file.
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20:00.11mike9494damn fever, think i got the mexican...
20:00.15mike9494is off - need sleep
20:00.22sena--do you know a firewall that can controll the applications
20:00.39iooqqcheako, alright, /proc/16142/exe it is.. what do I do with it?
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20:01.06cheakoTell me the full path and name of where the link points.
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20:01.32iooqqcheako, and remind me again please how do I do that? :D
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20:01.52cheakols -l
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20:02.01Krempelmike9494:
20:02.14Krempelmike9494:
20:02.31cheakoalso try plugging the result back into dpkg -S
20:02.41iooqqlrwxrwxrwx 1 kh kh 0 2009-12-10 13:58 /proc/16142/exe -> /opt/google/chrome/chrome
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20:03.09Kuifje111how do you create archives with multiple parts using the commandline "rar" application?
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20:03.11cuscohi
20:03.15Krempelmike9494: in debian forums there is a thread 'grub2 and framebuffer'
20:03.19iooqqyep, Chrome was indeed the culprit. thanks - the other thing is working now
20:03.22cuscocat file, how do I look for repeated entries?
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20:03.28cuscorepeated lines
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20:03.31cusco?
20:03.40cuscosort -u would filter them out
20:03.49cuscoI would like to filter all the others out
20:04.57iooqqcusco, man uniq
20:05.54iooqqoh, and it seems that you should sort the text stream first
20:06.00CargolSSrecently installed Debian 5.0 on my desktop and every time X starts my monitor displays a blank "Out of range" message
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20:06.14iooqqsince uniq only picks up identical lines that are adjacent to each other
20:06.20CargolSSany ideas on how to fix this
20:06.21CargolSS?
20:06.31Titan8990CargolSS, moving xorg.conf did not help?
20:07.00CargolSSTitan8990: no
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20:07.04CargolSSsame result
20:07.16CargolSS:(
20:08.02iooqqcusco, so, cat iooqqrocks.txt | sort| uniq --all-repeated=separate
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20:09.29jelly-hmeor merely "uniq -d"
20:09.59iooqqyyyyeah. or that.
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20:13.37iooqqwell, no, not just -d, but what I said. I think he did mean that he wants redundant copies "filter *all others*"
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20:16.13iooqqif anyone in here has a sense of humour, he or she will DDoS CargolSS
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20:19.22Myth`Anyone heard of users NOT being CHROOTED when using sftp + sftpd? #vsftpd is worthless.
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20:19.50Titan8990Myth`, yep, thats default behavior
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20:20.11Titan8990oh, sorry, not sure. misread
20:20.42Myth`Titan8990> even with chroot_local_user=YES?
20:20.42CargolSSTitan8990: any more ideas X -configure same thing
20:21.01CargolSSiooqq: :)
20:21.09Titan8990Myth`, are you aware vsftpd is a ftp server, not sftp?
20:21.29Myth`sftp is provided by opensshd
20:21.34Myth`it's ftp over ssl
20:21.43Titan8990no, ftp over ssl is ftps
20:21.46markybobheh
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20:22.11Myth`Hmm, that could be a problem, maybe opensshd is handling the connection.
20:22.24Myth`That would explain a ton actually lol
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20:23.06chellomerevsftpd wouldn't be handling sftp, so turn that 'maybe' into 'probably'
20:23.44xandpackages.debian.org shows that squeeze has iceweasel 3.5.5-1, but after updating my packages, I only have 3.0.14-1 available to install... why?
20:24.07xandoh, nevermind.
20:24.08chellomeresftp is handled by an ssh server, for example opensshd
20:24.10xandI fail at reading
20:24.14Titan8990xand, updating does not "upgrade" the packages, it only refreshes your package cache
20:24.24abrotmanhehe
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20:24.32abrotmanxand: have you ever used Debian? :)
20:24.35xandTitan8990: that's not what I said.
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20:24.57xandyes but apt-cache show iceweasel talks about the old version :(
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20:25.11Titan8990to me ", but after updating my packages" mean "I did `aptitude update`"
20:25.12Myth`Yep that's what's happening.
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20:25.28Myth`Thanks Titan8990 - chellomere
20:25.41plus_MWhat's the best way to add a user that is just going to be used to run a service? I installed cloudvpn and want to create a cloudvpn user and group.  How do I do this without having all that extraneous stuff like home directory etc?
20:25.46xandTitan8990: yes. and then I said "available to install", not installed.
20:25.50markybobMyth`, you might wanna tell #vsftpd you're sorry in case you need further help from them in the future :P
20:26.06castplus_M: adduser --system
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20:26.27plus_Mcast: that's probably what I was looking for, thanks
20:26.43Titan8990xand, pastebin your sources.list
20:26.47gparentHey, can you grow a ext4 root partition live?
20:26.56CargolSSanyone knows how to detect a monitor using command-line, my X is broken :(
20:26.56castplus_M: still creates a ~/, though,
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20:27.24Titan8990gparent, if its on an LVM, or only the filesystem needs to be grown, not the partition
20:27.40gparentah damn. gonna have to boot off CD then =/
20:27.50Titan8990CargolSS, it has nothing to do with the monitor, its about the graphics drivers
20:27.57robokopplus_M: man adduser
20:27.58castif it's on LVM, only the fs *and* lv needs to be grown
20:27.58Titan8990CargolSS, and you have really uncommon card
20:28.18robokopplus_M: perhaps --no-create-home is what you want
20:28.41robokopbut look if there are more options you need
20:28.59Titan8990cast, check out /etc/passwd, most system users have a home directory, just not typically in /home
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20:30.07Kuifje111are there any good RAR GUI frontends which is able to make multiple parts?
20:30.30CargolSS<PROTECTED>
20:31.13PyroPheliaI'm building a massive raid, 5 different raids, 6 drives each.  4 of the raids have finished syncing but i'm about lose power in the building.  If I lose power will the raid sync have to restart or will it resume where it left off?
20:31.20jelly-hmeKuifje111: anything wrong with using cli?
20:31.30PyroPheliathere is at least 8 hours left in the sync
20:31.47PyroPheliai'm about to* lose power.
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20:32.32jelly-hmePyroPhelia: I think at least in some cases when you shut the thing down cleanly, md raid continues where if left off.
20:32.42castTitan8990: wait...what?
20:32.47PyroPheliayea that's fine, i'll do a clean halt
20:32.47castTitan8990: and?
20:32.50jelly-hmeyou're going to find out anyway, PyroPhelia
20:32.52PyroPheliaI'm just worried about it rebuilding
20:32.54jelly-hme:-)
20:32.56PyroPhelia><
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20:35.39jhutchins_ltHow do I get a PS/2 mouse working?
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20:36.57Kuifje111jelly-hme: yeah, quite annoying.
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20:37.25plus_MDo I need to compile the kernel with tun/tap support? Or are there packages for those modules?
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20:37.58harkplus_M: no need to
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20:38.16plus_MI can't seem to load the tun/tap modules
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20:38.40plus_MFATAL: Module tun not found.
20:38.48plus_MFATAL: Module tap not found.
20:38.52harkplus_M: what does uname -r say?
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20:39.05plus_M2.6.18-028stab064.8
20:39.09harkplus_M: it's a vps. ask your provider
20:39.18plus_M=/
20:39.18xxtjaxxplus_M: what tun you have ?
20:39.21phiwer_is there a known bug in apache2 which causes it to shut down? I'm getting "Caught Sigterm, shutting down" all the time.
20:39.36plus_Mxxtjaxx: what do you mean
20:39.48phiwer_I'm using 2.2.14 with php 5.2.11-2
20:40.03jelly-hmeplus_M: you're not on a real machine, but a virtualized solution
20:40.40xxtjaxxplus_M: I assume its a software solution no hardware thing right?
20:40.56plus_Mxxtjaxx: still not sure what you're asking
20:41.04jelly-hmeplus_M: openvz and vserver virtual machines use a single kernel for all the vps guests... you can't load modules
20:41.10plus_Mjelly-hme: true, but I've used the tun/tap modules on a VPS before... a different VPS
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20:41.14plus_MBut a VPS nonetheless
20:41.31jelly-hmeplus_M: well, ask your provider about it
20:41.34xxtjaxxplus_M: tun revers to (A tunnel network connection with some secure box somewhere else)
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20:43.12Justintun devices do not imply security
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20:43.40xerophyteis there anywhere i can get list of mounted  mount points from where in the /proc file system or ?
20:43.45PerfDaveI've got a bunch of video files which I can play in mplayer / xine. I'd like to create a DVD I can stick in a set-top box with those DVD files on. I'm not bothered about anything fancy like authoring menus - one "chapter" per file would be fine. What's the simplest way to do this in Lenny? ffmpeg is a bit... hardcore.
20:43.50PerfDavexerophyte: /proc/mounts ?
20:44.14harkxxtjaxx: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TUN/TAP
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20:44.34robokopPerfDave: devede perhaps
20:44.53JustinPerfDave: most dvd players these days will play xvid files directly
20:44.59PerfDaverobokop: Hmm, can't see a package of that name.
20:45.07PerfDaveJustin: This one won't.
20:45.12PerfDaveAnd it's not xvid :)
20:45.31dbbhi- simple question on network/interfces.. this network here is 172.16.0.xx  with the router at 172.16.0.1 .. my interfaces file says iface eth0 inet dhcp  auto eth0.. but thats not working
20:45.44robokopPerfDave: it is in debian multimedia
20:45.52dbbis there some hint I give it about 172.16.0.1 ??
20:46.08PerfDaverobokop: Ah yeah, that'll be why packages.debian.org doesn't list it ;)
20:46.17robokopPerfDave: yes
20:46.35PerfDaverobokop: OK, I'll hceck it out.
20:46.40PerfDavedbb: In what way is it "not working"?
20:46.52dbbself-assigned address.. no IP
20:47.06valdynPerfDave: ffmpeg -i out.avi -y -target ntsc-dvd -sameq -aspect 16:9 out.mpg was tried?
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20:47.42PerfDavevaldyn: That doesn't seem to do what I want (quite apart from the fact that I'm using PAL)
20:47.58PerfDavedbb: What does /var/log/daemon.log say? Your DHCP client should be logging there.
20:48.05valdynPerfDave: not all that you want, sure, but part of it
20:48.05dbbah looking
20:48.15PerfDavevaldyn: I'm looking to create a DVD from a bunch of files.
20:48.18valdynPerfDave: the other part is dvdauthor --title -o dvd -f out.mpg
20:48.29jhutchins_ltIs there an option somewhere to install or not install manpages?
20:48.57PerfDavejhutchins_lt: Some packages come with manpages included, some have documentation as a seperate package which is usually recommended.
20:49.00Titan8990jhutchins_lt, only with certain packages
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20:50.03robokopPerfDave: if you use the devede you get some easy gui interface to convert your videos to mpeg or too dvd filesystem hierarchy or to dvdfs images
20:50.28PerfDaverobokop: I'm checking it out now :)
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20:52.58dbbwell, the dhclient is really working hard to find an address, but DHCPDISCOVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 appears over and over and no responses
20:53.14dbb.. rechecking the bacling
20:53.19dbbvabling
20:53.24PerfDavecabling? ;)
20:53.33ChazzHow do I get Debian to connect to my wireless router?
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20:54.46dbbugh - loose cable
20:54.49dbbthx though
20:54.51PerfDaveChazz: There are many ways - the easiest is probably to use a GUI interface to network-manager :)
20:55.01PerfDavedbb: No worries, at least you know where to look next time.
20:55.07dbby
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20:55.35ChazzPerfDave, would that be System > Administration > Network?
20:55.49PerfDaveChazz: I have no idea what you mean by that.
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20:56.11PerfDaveuses knetworkmanager to talk to the network manager service, which provides a simple interface to connect to wireless networks.
20:56.23Chazzooh
20:56.31robokopi prefer wpasuplicant
20:56.36PerfDaveThere's probalby a GNOME equivalent but I don't know what it is.
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20:56.43Chazzmkay, ty.
20:56.47valdynnetwork-manager-gnome
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20:57.24Chazzvaldyn, that's not it. :)
20:57.35cahootwicd is less fuss IMO
20:57.47valdynChazz: what is it not?
20:58.04valdynChazz: its the gnome tool to interface with network-manager, like knetworkmanager is for kde
20:58.13Chazzk then...
20:58.21Chazzkeeps hunting for it
20:58.40valdynChazz: install it, run nm-applet
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20:59.18Chazzerm, how would I install it w/o internets to download it from?
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21:00.20valdynChazz: sure that its not already installed?
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21:00.32ChazzIt's not. =/
21:00.54valdyn!apt-zip
21:00.54dpkgUpdate a non-networked computer using apt and removable media.  Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>.  http://wiki.debian.org/AptZip, or apt-sneakernet (in jest)
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21:01.32Chazzok, cool
21:01.33Chazzty
21:02.00BenBEI've got a problem with IPv6 a Xen DomU connected to the network via a bridged interface.
21:03.04valdynChazz: apt-get --print-uris is neat too, see wiki
21:03.31Chazzk, ty
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21:07.36BenBEAny information where I can get a list of things to check?
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21:10.40robokophmm ssmtp has some problems at my place Dec 10 22:09:18 mezumil64 sSMTP[30313]: /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf not found
21:11.25robokopbut ls -l /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf gives -rw-r----- 1 root mail 180 2009-12-10 22:09 /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf
21:11.25abrotmanseems .. obvious?
21:11.42abrotmanwhat is that process running as?
21:11.44abrotmanlsattr ?
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21:12.00Justindoes ssmtp chroot somewhere?
21:12.22abrotmanhalf the other smtp servers do
21:13.33robokopwell it worked untill yesterday, i can't remember exactly which packages got upgraded but i guess it is just testing problems
21:14.06Justinrobokop: /var/log/dpkg.log
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21:17.16robokopJustin: ssmtp got upgraded the day before yesterday
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21:18.49Justinrobokop: checked the bts?
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21:19.22robokopyes, nothing that seems to be related to my problem
21:19.28Justinreport a bug then
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21:22.10RuyanHi, when i try to launch Iceweasel or Epiphany under Debian 5, i got this issue every time "epiphany-browser: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libxul.so: undefined symbol: cairo_xlib_surface_create_with_xrender_format" and Segmental fail for Iceweasel, anyone can help me?
21:22.48JustinRuyan: what did you do to break it like that?
21:22.55do0ob!resolv.conf
21:22.56dpkgmethinks resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs.  It's written by your DHCP client.  To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>.  See also <fixresolvconf>.
21:23.16PerfDaverobokop: I've not tested the output on my STB yet, but this devede seems really good, thanks for the tip :)
21:23.27RuyanJustin: I just installed GTK+
21:23.59do0obhow do i get it to stop updating /etc/resolv.conf?
21:24.05JustinRuyan: you did what?
21:24.20do0ob<PROTECTED>
21:24.24PerfDavedo0ob: What are you actually trying to achieve?
21:24.40RuyanI install GTK+ on debian
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21:24.54do0obPerfDave: stop something updating /etc/resolv.conf, i'm using my own dns servers
21:25.05do0obi don't want the router's ones used
21:25.16JustinRuyan: debian comes with gtk+. what did you do?
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21:25.33Ruyanyes?
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21:25.52PerfDavedo0ob: Use /etc/dhclient.conf to override or supplement the DNS servers provided by your router with your own IPs.
21:26.15PerfDave!tell do0ob about override dns
21:26.24Ruyanbut i cant compile pidgin, its says i need GTK+
21:26.30Justindebian comes with pidgin
21:26.53Ruyanya, but older version, not 2.6.3
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21:27.43PerfDaveRuyan: It looks like you've compiled a later version of GTK+ and overwritten Debian's version, so the Debian apps which are expecting to use old GTK+ are getting confused and failing.
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21:28.07phobos_anomalyanyone know why apt-build would ignore its .conf?
21:28.16Ruyanhmm, dont know, i install gtk+2.18.3
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21:28.25PerfDaveRuyan: Basically, you've done the wrong thing - either you use the Debian 5 version of Pidgin, or you compile later Pidgin against Debian 5's GTK+, or you stick a non-Debian GTK+ build somewhere safe out of the way where it won't interfere with Debian's.
21:29.01Justinor, check backports
21:29.03PerfDaveRuyan: Why do you want to use the 2.6.3 version of Pidgin anyhow?
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21:29.05Ruyanhow can i fix it then?
21:29.08do0obPerfDave: thanks, i had preappend, but it tried to fall back on the others
21:29.25Ruyanbecause 2.6.3 support latest QQ
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21:29.45PerfDaveRuyan: I'd chalk this one up as a learning experience and reinstall. It will be very hard for you to recover from this reliably if you don't know what you're doing - though you could try a "make uninstall" in your GTK+ source tree and reinstalling Debian's GTK+ packages.
21:29.57JustinPerfDave: eh?
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21:30.01Justingtk installs by default to /usr/local
21:30.19Justinunless he did something really dumb like  ./configure --prefix=/usr all he has to do is delete /usr/local
21:30.49PerfDaveJustin: make uninstall might avoid trashing anything else in /usr/local :)
21:30.53Ruyanyes, i used ./configure --prefix=/usr
21:31.07robokopJustin: telling someone to delete /usr/local is not a nice way to f up there system
21:31.14PerfDaveRuyan: You really didn't want to do that :)
21:31.24Ruyanno, i wont
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21:31.35Justinoh well
21:31.39Ruyannot know at least
21:31.50Ruyani need it to done me project
21:32.35PerfDaveRuyan: Like I say, you might be safest reinstalling at this point, though you can try uninstalling your GTK+ source build and reinstalling the Debian packages. Then come back here and say that you want to install a later version of Pidgin than Debian 5 provides for improved QQ support and ask how to backport :)
21:33.03Ruyanu think is will be fixed if i uninstall gtk which i installed in
21:33.16Absolute0Is there a way to convert all my apt-get installation to aptitude so that I can start using aptitude henceforth?
21:33.21phobos_anomalyRuyan: its possible.
21:33.26RichiHis ATI or nvidia better when it comes to linux support?
21:33.31JustinAbsolute0: convert?
21:33.35tomodachiRichiH: ATI
21:33.43PerfDaveRichiH: If you don't mind proprietary drivers, nVidia is better. If you do, ATI.
21:33.43JustinRichiH: depends if you need high performance 3d or not
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21:33.50Absolute0Justin: well i cant mix between apt-get and aptitude
21:33.54PerfDaveRuyan: No. That'll delete the files that you've installed over the top of Debian's files. You'll need to do that first, *then* reinstall the Debian packages.
21:33.55JustinAbsolute0: why not?
21:33.59Ruyani need install pidgin not only because there is support with QQ
21:34.03Absolute0thats what i was told :)
21:34.07RichiHJustin: HD video and the odd game every few months
21:34.08Absolute0in here iirc
21:34.14abrotmanRichiH: define "better" .. ATI has more free drivers?
21:34.19abrotmaneh .. -?
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21:34.41PerfDaveis sad that he can't get Intel's free direct rendering working in Lenny :(
21:34.57Ruyani also need to run 0a example from libpurple
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21:35.53PerfDaveRuyan: Let's not talk about Pidgin right now - let's get your GTK+ fixed first, then you can worry about installing Pidgin :)
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21:37.04RichiHabrotman: mainly care about HD video
21:37.20Franco_19hola
21:37.21Franco_19q tal
21:37.41JustinRichiH: 480 720 or 1080?
21:37.47KnuckOne!es
21:37.47dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:38.02RichiH1080p
21:38.06RichiHis there anything else? ;)
21:38.12Justinyes, 720 and 480 :)
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21:38.30Ruyanyou say that debian5 is with GTK+, but why pidgin request libraries like libxml2 etc. when i run configure
21:38.30RichiHJustin: what? i can't hear you over the static on your monitor ;)
21:39.02PerfDaveRuyan: Because Debian comes with the libraries to *run* GTK+ apps, you need to install the development packages to *compile* stuff against it.
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21:39.24PerfDaveRuyan: Fix your GTK+ first, then ask us about safe ways to install a more recent Pidgin. It's easier than you think.
21:39.38Ruyanok, im doing
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21:41.18Ruyani need just uninstall gtk or everythink like pango pixman cairo atk
21:41.41PerfDaveRuyan: Whatever you installed from source, uninstall it from the source tree - and reinstall the corresponding Debian packages
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21:44.49linuxguy2009Ok Im about to come back to the rock solid Debian for my desktop and netbook OS and stay here. I'm about to download all 5 DVDs for offline package installs, but I noticed there is an update DVD also. Is the update DVD just the packages that have been bug fixed etc from the original 5 DVDs and its just added as another APT source?
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21:45.13AimHereThat's what my first pack of Debian disks was like
21:45.15PerfDavelinuxguy2009: That sounds right - if you're downloading the DVD images of the latest point release, you shouldn't need it.
21:45.26AimHereOr if you've a fast net connection
21:45.27Ruyani have a big trouble, someone deleted source folder :(
21:45.28Justinlinuxguy2009: you don't have an internet connection at all?
21:46.19linuxguy2009Yes I do, but it makes reinstalling a fresh system and all apps so much faster than redownloading every time. Not that I reinstall very often at all. But on occasion I might need to.
21:46.38Justinlinuxguy2009: you can likely get away with just the first dvd then
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21:46.47linuxguy2009Im gonna bit torrent the images.
21:47.07Justinmost likely you will never use more than the first 2
21:47.40AimHereI used the first four of my last 5-DVD set
21:47.57AimHereI even scanned disk 5 to see if there was anything I'd be likely to ever use
21:48.24linuxguy2009Is there a package list for the DVDs? Maybe I can see what disks I need?
21:48.25Justinmy approx cache for debian i386,amd64 and a few versions of ubuntu has 4.5G
21:48.57Ruyanits possible just delete folder under /usr
21:49.02JustinRuyan: no
21:49.18AimHereIf you're downloading them, why not just dl the first one, and point your sources at the debian resources for the rest?
21:49.22PerfDaveThe first DVD is plenty enough to install a desktop system fast enough.
21:50.02robokopfor me it is quicker to fix a netinstall server and do it with that
21:50.04abrotmanRichiH: so you don't actually care about the free-ness of the drivers?
21:50.21AimHereThe other four are for when you're installing debian in the Malayan Jungle, or on a fishing boat and have no net access
21:50.50Ruyanhmm, then i dont know, because folder is deleted and cant uninstall it :(
21:51.01Ruyanwhat about apt-get remove?
21:51.08EagleRockAimHere: I always bring my Debian DVDs when I go fishing :-)
21:51.13RichiHabrotman: while i _do_ care about floss a lot, my girlfriend needs to watch HD content on it
21:51.14Juozapas;]
21:51.15linuxguy2009Is it worth the wait to use jigdo and take the time to scan my Etch 3 DVDs or are they too old to make a difference in saving download time for getting Lenny?
21:51.21RichiHabrotman: which is a killer argument ;)
21:52.01abrotmanRichiH: get a TV!
21:52.13AimHereGet a less demanding girlfriend!
21:52.17PerfDavelinuxguy2009: I'd guess that they're probably too old.
21:52.27linuxguy2009Yeah i kinda figured. hehe
21:52.34Titan8990!start a editor war
21:52.39abrotmanRichiH: i applaud you for find a gf that cares about HD *ahem* movies
21:52.40EagleRockHire the actors to come to the house and perform the movies in your living room
21:53.11RichiHabrotman: does a 42 inch, 1080 dot tv count? ;)
21:53.14AimHereJust say you've tourettes, and shout out the spoilers to all the movies, so there's no point watching them.
21:53.20RichiHor was it 46?
21:53.20PerfDavegenerally can't see the point of HD
21:53.21AimHereSoylent Green is people by the way.
21:53.30linuxguy2009Ok thanks guys Im off to download and install Lenny. Im sure youll be seeing me later on in here. Bye!
21:53.34PerfDaveTata linuxguy2009 :)
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21:53.45PerfDaveAimHere: The Titanic sinks!
21:53.52AimHereRosebud is his sled!
21:53.53RichiHPerfDave: which proves you did not yet watch any IMAX documentary on a large screen in 1080p
21:54.15JustinRichiH: my computer is not fast enough to decode 1080p you insensitive clod
21:54.27PerfDaveRichiH: i've seen plenty of 1080p content, and don't really think it's worth paying the premium for.
21:54.34RichiHJustin: i am writing this on a thinkpad x31
21:54.41RichiHJustin: you were saying? ;)
21:54.45abrotmanPerfDave: isn't your vision like 20/200? :)
21:54.46tkingon a 100" projector it is nice
21:54.46Ruyani think i'm going to reinstall whole system:( please tell me how can i after that compile pidgin
21:54.56Justinheh
21:54.57abrotmanwhy would you compile it? use the backports
21:54.57PerfDaveabrotman: It's pretty much perfect, yes :)
21:55.06RichiHmy media center does 1080p without breaking a sweat, but the main box should be able to, as well
21:55.14Titan8990abrotman, either I had a little lag or you typed that at 150wpm
21:55.18PerfDaveRuyan: Come back after reinstallation and ask about backports, you can have Pidgin 2.6.3 on Lenny with no compiling :)
21:55.32AimHereabrotman types at 150wpm, with 2 fingers
21:55.43Ruyani know there is 2.6.3 on lenny backports
21:55.46abrotmanTitan8990: i haven't been timed since like 8th grade
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21:56.16RichiHfunnily enough, i built a box that can do it with bare CPU (phenom with three cores) and with bare GFX (vdpau) so having enabled both makes the box yawn
21:56.17Titan8990abrotman, 9th here, and i cheated
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21:56.41Titan8990abrotman, i found that i could set the test to only do two words, and the teacher only wanted to see the results hehe
21:56.44JustinRichiH: yeah, i need a box that can do the vdpau/xvmc stuff
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21:56.59JustinI have one of those hdhomerun things but my computer can't decode any of the content that comes off of it
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21:57.27RichiHJustin: no idea what that is
21:57.52abrotmanJustin: for the mlb.tv?
21:57.56Ruyanbut i need install from source code, because there is a example code from libpurple which i need
21:58.00JustinRichiH: you hook it up to cable or antenna and it streams mpeg2 out to your network
21:58.06abrotmanoh, guess not
21:58.16Justinmythtv will integrate with it pretty well
21:58.39JustinI can record data from it(all that requires is really netcat > file.mpeg2) but playback does not work so well :)
21:58.46RichiHJustin: ah
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22:01.14Azhenhey guys I don't have a linux box to hand, but I need to run my C code through Valgrind really quickly
22:01.25Azhenif anyone has Valgrind on their box
22:01.42Azhenplease shout I'll send you my code, thankyou very much it would be greatly appreciated
22:01.56PerfDaveAzhen: /dcc sent notarootkitreally.bin
22:02.17Azhenlol
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22:02.53Ruyanso, one more quetion, what i need to do when some code requiring gtk during compile
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22:03.01Azhenwell a quick look at the code would make it pretty obvious its not a root kit
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22:03.17EagleRockoh yeah, the name has it written all over it
22:03.20PerfDaveRuyan: /msg dpkg simple sid backport
22:03.30TrueDDHowdy
22:05.20Ruyaneh... what?
22:05.43Azhenhttp://pastie.textmate.org/737985
22:05.49Azhenhere's the code anyway
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22:09.18ZX81hi all, anyone know about hash sum failures on volatile.debian.org?
22:09.20ZX81W: Failed to fetch http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/lenny/volatile/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2  Hash Sum mismatch
22:09.25arsen__heyho. im trying to run a ventrilo server on my dedi box, if i do "sudo ./ventrilo_srv" i get "command not found" what am i missing? :D
22:09.28ZX81when doing apt-get update
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22:10.03ZX81arsen__: is the ventrilo_srv file in the local directory?
22:10.07ZX81i.e. ls -alh .
22:10.18arsen__yep
22:10.35ZX81type head ./ventrilo_srv
22:10.36ZX81also
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22:10.45ZX81does it have executable bit set?
22:10.53ZX81chmod +x ./ventrilo_srv
22:11.11arsen__ah
22:11.15arsen__it was the chmod i forgot :D
22:11.19ZX81:D
22:11.24arsen__thankyou :)
22:11.28ZX81no probs
22:11.35arsen__defaults on new file creation i guess
22:11.38arsen__but ty :)
22:11.42ZX81yah np
22:12.40ZX81needs to find out why lenny can't update anymore on a new machine :)
22:12.47ZX81using standard repos
22:13.02ZX81updated sources.list via netselect-apt
22:13.23ZX81checked the file Packages.bz2 on volatile.debian.org
22:13.28ZX81looks good
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22:13.35ZX81just failing hash match
22:14.02ZX81meh, will just remove volatile for the mo
22:14.03ZX81:D
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22:16.49docmaxhello, the systemprotocolviewer of gnome is ok, but is there any better???
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22:26.36dondelelcaroKanisterschleife: if you want to do something like that, you're probably better off using offlineimap or similar
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22:35.27Kanisterschleifeweird.. it takes me two runs of fetchmail until a mail on the mailserver is marked as read..
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22:39.21Ripp_Hello
22:39.50Ripp_is it possible to start services which run at startup *not* as root?
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22:40.30PerfDaveRipp_: Do you mean is it possible to start services if you don't have root privs, or is it possible to start services which don't run as root?
22:40.42Ripp_The latter, yes
22:41.28HardDisk_WPanyone know if there exist HDDs which can dynamically change the RPM?
22:41.45PerfDaveRipp_: Well, most of the services started at boot *don't* run at boot
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22:41.54PerfDaveRipp_: Well, most of the services started at boot *don't* run as root, even, sorry
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22:42.10PerfDaveRipp_: Perhaps you can give us a clearer indication of what you're trying to achieve?
22:42.18Ripp_I have an ircd which does not want to run as root
22:42.31Ripp_I used update-rc.d to add the script to my runlevels
22:42.44PerfDaveRipp_: Are you using an ircd which isn't packaged by Debian already?
22:42.45Ripp_But rather than running, it said "Cannot run as root"
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22:43.03Ripp_Yes, I built from source
22:43.08Ripp_to get a newer version
22:43.18PerfDaveRipp_: Why did you do htat?
22:43.24Ripp_switch to older one, eh
22:43.38Ripp_So what is the issue, though?
22:43.40PerfDaveRipp_: It's generally easier to use the software which comes with and is supported by Debian, yes.
22:43.44Ripp_Like
22:43.47mrehhow can I upgrade a specific package with apt-get?
22:43.51Ripp_What is causing it to be run as root?
22:43.53PerfDaveRipp_: The issue is that you've built it yourself and you've done it wrong :)
22:43.57Ripp_Or what software makes that decision?
22:44.11Ripp_I guess that is my real question
22:44.26PerfDaveRipp_: The scripts in /etc/init.d are run at boot in a particular order, determined by the name of symlinks in /etc/rc?.d and your runlevel, as the root user by the init process.
22:44.56TrewasHardDisk_WP: at least western digital green HDs advertise that they change their rpm between 5400-7200
22:45.04PerfDaveRipp_: Services which are started in this way often "drop privilege" in some way so they don't run as root themselves. The Debian package for your ircd will do this.
22:45.12Ripp_I see.
22:45.13Ripp_ok.
22:45.18HardDisk_WPTrewas, thx
22:45.21Ripp_Thanks for the explanation, much appreciated.
22:45.58KanisterschleifeIs it possible to let fetchmail fetch only header data and to pass this data to the MDA, which then decides if it is necessary to get the whole message by checking if there is already a mail matching the data in the target mailbox?
22:46.02PerfDaveRipp_: In general, use the Debian packages which come with your version of Debian, then backports, then your own backports, and finally stuff you compile yourself from upstream, until you find something which works for you. It's much less painful.
22:46.52PerfDaveRipp_: The latest version of something isn't always better, or supported by Debian for security fixes etc. - with something like an ircd, distro security support may be a big thing.
22:47.02Ripp_i see
22:47.12Ripp_even though it runs as nonroot?
22:47.30robokopyes
22:47.35Ripp_i see
22:47.56PerfDaveWell, stuff that doesn't run as root is less likely to compromise your system than stuff that does if there's an exploit, but it can still misbehave in other ways
22:48.14robokopperhaps not for exploits on your system, but who knows if someone can be OP at the irc server
22:48.31PerfDaveAnd there's always the fun double-whammy of a non-root remote exploit, and a root local exploit, for all your getting pwned needs ;)
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22:48.56PerfDavewould personally be *very* wary of running anything other than Debian Stable with standard packages on an Internet-facing machine
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22:50.23PerfDaveaboyz: awk 'NR == 100' file
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22:50.35Kanisterschleifeany idea?
22:50.45aboyzperfdave .. thanks let me try
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22:51.24aboyzperfdave, that didn't work
22:51.28aboyznothing show up
22:51.45PerfDaveaboyz: wc -l file
22:51.52PerfDaveDoes it have 100 lines?
22:51.59aboyzit got millions of lines
22:52.14PerfDaveWhat does "wc -l file" say?
22:52.20aboyzlet me try
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22:52.36aboyzso like this awk 'NR == 100' wc -l file?
22:52.44PerfDaveaboyz: No
22:52.49PerfDaveJust "wc -l file" on its own
22:53.00aboyztaking a while..
22:53.12PerfDaveIt will do, it's counting lines :)
22:53.13aboyzits a huge file..
22:53.24aboyzit is 5G of file
22:53.39aboyzi need to view line 4900
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22:54.06aboyzperfdave. what is the command to view what is on line 4900?
22:54.13PerfDaveaboyz: What's the output of "wc -l file"?
22:54.22aboyzstill going..
22:54.25aboyzmillions of line :(
22:54.32PerfDaveWell, let's see what it says first.
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22:55.13PerfDaveThe awk command I gave you is correct and works here. If it didn't generate any output, I suspect your file does not contain as many lines as you think it does, or perhaps what you think of as a "line" isn't what your computer thinks is a line.
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22:55.31aboyzyou sure
22:55.39aboyzi'm pretty sure there is more then 4900 lines
22:55.53aboyzcuz i'm getting any error when i dumping a data.sql file
22:56.19Trampaboyz:  sed '4900p;q' file
22:56.21prince_jammysawk 'NR==4900{print;exit}' if the file is so massive.
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22:56.30prince_jammysor the sed version (same idea)
22:56.40prince_jammyskinda.
22:56.41aboyzshould i stop the wc -l filename?
22:56.46aboyzits taking forever
22:56.49prince_jammysdoesn't that sed quit on line 1?
22:57.00robokopprince_jammys: nope
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22:57.00PerfDaveaboyz: I wouldn't.
22:57.15robokopbut it would print lines 1..4900
22:57.28prince_jammysnot over here
22:57.33robokopsed -n '4900 p;q' would do the trick
22:57.38Kanisterschleife:(
22:57.43prince_jammysprints line one and quits
22:57.46Trampyes, sorry
22:57.48Trampsed -n '2{p;q}'
22:57.56aboyzwhy so many command..
22:57.57prince_jammysyep
22:57.58aboyzwhich one work??
22:58.09prince_jammysmost
22:58.11PerfDaveaboyz: This will show you that my awk is correct: TEMPFILE=$(mktemp) && ( for i in {1..10}; do echo "line $i"; done >> "$TEMPFILE"; awk 'NR == 4' "$TEMPFILE"; rm "$TEMPFILE" )
22:58.39Trampaboyz: sorry. sed -n '4900{p;q}' works. My first version was wrong
22:58.58aboyztramp. so sed -n '4900{p;q}' filename?
22:59.02PerfDaveIf "awk 'NR == 4900' file" doesn't show you any output, then your file doesn't have 4900 lines, according to your system's definition of what a line is.
22:59.03Trampyes
22:59.16aboyzperfdave we will seee..
22:59.56Trampbut PerfDave is also right. His awk version should print the line (but then, without the exit prince_jammys showed) go on through the file.
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23:00.10aboyzit die on me :(
23:00.31PerfDaveaboyz: Why on earth do you have a 5GB SQL file *anyway*?
23:00.46aboyzperfdave it is a ddatabase dump
23:00.50PerfDaveThis sounds like something you want to split into something a bit more manageable...
23:00.53PerfDaveaboyz: In what format?
23:00.56aboyz[root@db3 ~]# wc -l alldata.sql
23:00.56aboyz23265 alldata.sql
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23:01.04aboyzTEXT format..
23:01.10PerfDaveaboyz: What sort of text format?
23:01.12aboyzyou see so it got 23265 line..
23:01.16Trampso those are mighty long lines .......
23:01.27aboyzregular sql dump format..
23:01.31aboyzlet me try the SED
23:01.35PerfDaveaboyz: How did you generate it?
23:01.47aboyzmysqldump
23:02.33PerfDaveaboyz: And what do you mean "it die on me"? What died on you and how?
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23:02.45aboyzperfdave it is working now.. don't know what haappen :)
23:02.51aboyzok now i got the line out.. but its HUGE line
23:03.07aboyzi thought its only one line but its like a huge line
23:03.08PerfDaveYeah, it's about 214k long :)
23:03.14aboyzyeah..
23:03.24aboyzi guess that is consider one line of data right?
23:03.33aboyzhow do i dump that into a file??
23:03.39PerfDaveI suggest you look at the options for mysqldump to try and get something a bit more manageable...
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23:04.08PerfDaveaboyz: You can redirect the output of sed / awk into another file using shell redirection?
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23:04.18Trampaboyz:  sed ... >resultfile
23:04.19StuckMojohi. is the lenny install cd a combo live cd similar to ubuntu?
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23:04.30aboyzthanks tramp
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23:04.54PerfDaveStuckMojo: No, the install CD is an install CD. There's also a LiveCD, I don't know whether it has an installer on.
23:04.55Trampyw
23:05.12StuckMojohmmm
23:05.19PerfDavegets generally cheesed off with the differences between multiple CD / DVD versions
23:05.37StuckMojohttp://www.debian.org/distrib/ doesn't seem to mention livecd...
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23:05.51PerfDaveStuckMojo: Google "Debian Live" - it's a subproject
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23:05.56StuckMojooops
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23:06.58StuckMojoPerfDave: that's too bad. i find the ubuntu combo cd handy. you can boot the live cd to check hardware compat, etc, then install if it's all good. not that that's any guarantee, but still a nice capability i think
23:07.18StuckMojoand you don't have to download 2 images
23:07.41PerfDaveStuckMojo: The LiveCD might have an installer on for all I know, I've never used it.
23:07.47StuckMojoummm..lenny is current, right?
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23:08.03StuckMojohttp://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ they kinda make it sound like it's not the same distro
23:08.26PerfDaveLenny is the current stable release of Debian, yes.
23:08.32StuckMojoPerfDave: plus a combo cd is handy to keep around in cases where you have a non-bootable system or want to image your boot drive, etc
23:08.53PerfDaveStuckMojo: the install CD has enough rescue stuff on it to fix nonbootable systems etc. ;)
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23:09.44PerfDaveThough last time I ended up with System Rescue CD to get an environment which had both X (for gparted) and lvm2
23:09.46StuckMojoPerfDave: granted
23:10.21PerfDaveBut I tend to have a wallet full of installers, LiveCDs, patchers etc. most of which are well out of date now ;)
23:10.35StuckMojoyeah the live cd is handy in that sense, plus it's just handy for windoze boxes and such, all the nice uses of live cd
23:10.42StuckMojohehe, yeah me too
23:10.47StuckMojomine are now ancient
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23:11.30StuckMojoi have a bootcd created disk that's real cool. doesn't have X, but has everything else
23:12.14StuckMojoand bootcd can "undo" what it's done. so you can make a system the way you want, then convert to bootcd, then boot that in another box and bootcdwrite or some such to clone onto that box
23:12.20Ripp_thanks for the help, have a good afternoon
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23:12.23StuckMojovery handy, "golden image" kinda thing
23:12.30PerfDaveStuckMojo: The LIveCD manual suggests it has a Debian installer built in
23:12.46StuckMojoi used it for creating a fleet of ipsec/nat/firewall boxes i dropped at client sites
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23:12.54StuckMojoPerfDave: ah cool
23:12.58StuckMojodownloads
23:13.11StuckMojoi'm on a 6 year old Sid intall on my desktop
23:13.22StuckMojobeen running Jaunty at work at the new job
23:13.41StuckMojogotten kinda sick of playing the "mean kid who breaks your toys" game on the desktop
23:13.50StuckMojolast time i ran stable was Woody
23:14.05StuckMojoso i wanna check out lenny w/o acutally installing to see if i wanna switch
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23:14.24StuckMojoalthough to be honest i suspect i'll end up with ubuntu instead, because of the more frequent releases
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23:14.27aboyzthansk all and perfdave. i was able to output line 4900. that is a long line though :(
23:14.34StuckMojoi'm a blasphemer, i know, heh
23:14.37aboyznow time to see why it is failing..
23:14.42sifican someone tell me what is package is installed if I select SQL database when install debian?
23:15.17PerfDaveStuckMojo: Less frequent, better tested releases is one reason I don't switch to Ubuntu :)
23:15.25StuckMojoi *have* noticed that releases are coming much more often than they used to (i.e. potato -> woody -> sarge)
23:15.26PerfDaveStuckMojo: Still, I have to run Fedora at work which... hurts.
23:15.27prince_jammyssifi: looks like it's postgresql
23:15.35StuckMojofuck rpm
23:15.40StuckMojoright in the goat ass
23:15.47PerfDavesifi: I think it's both PostgreSQL and MySQL
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23:15.49prince_jammyssifi: at least judging from what aptitude shows under the task "SQL Database"
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23:16.07StuckMojoif it weren't based on debian, there's no way i could palette (sp?) ubunut
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23:16.29StuckMojosifi: i highly recommend postgres
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23:17.40StuckMojoPerfDave: well, understanding that im used to Sid, ubuntu's (basically) 6 month snapshots of sid are ok with me
23:17.45StuckMojoparticularly for desktop
23:17.52StuckMojoi'm already used to broken shit ;)
23:18.37sifithanks guys.
23:19.50PerfDaveStuckMojo: I gave up on running sid on the desktop, life's too short to deal with even infrequent breakage. Same reason I've never liked Ubuntu - it might look shiny, but it seems to be much less solid than Debian.
23:20.32StuckMojoPerfDave: i think if you stick to the core packages that they stablize (i think there's like 1200) i've found it pretty non-crashy or breaky
23:20.46StuckMojohowever i will agree with folks here that their in-place upgrades are not as smooth
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23:21.01StuckMojoPerfDave: woody got SOOOOOO long in the tooth by the end..
23:21.12StuckMojophp4.old-ass-hell
23:21.16prince_jammyswhat about testing instead?
23:21.22StuckMojoand apache, and firefox-ancient
23:21.33StuckMojowell, testing was what i went to first
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23:21.49PerfDaveStuckMojo: yeah, I've found that I needed plenty of stuff outside the Ubuntu core, so the fact that the core is solid doesn't help me much :)
23:21.55penrodgreetings : does mmv work recursilveley ?
23:21.58StuckMojothen i found out there are no security updates for testing, it breaks almost as much, and isn't really all that current either, so i just jumped to Sid
23:22.07StuckMojostayed with stable on my servers of course
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23:22.18StuckMojoin fact i've got 4 boxes still running woody, heh
23:22.47PerfDaveYeah, Woody did get old, but I ran Sarge until Lenny released, and I don't think I'll change from Lenny until the new stable release either.
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23:22.57StuckMojoPerfDave: for desktop it's been decent. i like that i can cleanly install many debian packages on it too
23:23.16StuckMojoPerfDave: oooh really?? how was your upgrade from sarge to lenny??
23:23.25StuckMojomy main web/mail server is still sarge
23:23.29PerfDaveI followed the release guide for Lenny and it was fine :)
23:23.43PerfDaveI need to upgrade the box I'm running this IRC client from Sarge soon too :)
23:23.44StuckMojobeen loath to chance the upgrade bc if it fails...i'm fucked. server is now 2000 miles away
23:24.08StuckMojoused to be 15 min from my house, but i moved to texas
23:24.12PerfDaveYeah, this box is a VM on a host owned by somebody else and colo'd behind several doors I don't have a key for :)
23:24.37jpinx-eeepc!woody
23:24.37dpkghmm... woody is the codename of Debian 3.0, released on July 19, 2002.  Ask me about <woody->sarge>.  Security support for woody was terminated on 2006-06-30.  Woody was archived on 2007-01-10 but ISOs are still available: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/images/3.0_r6/ .  Ask me about <woody sources.list>.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianWoody
23:24.53StuckMojoPerfDave: at least with the vm you could snapshot first
23:25.03jpinx-eeepcStuckMojo: ^^ vv
23:25.07PerfDaveStuckMojo: Assuming I have any kind of access to the VM host, which I don't.
23:25.08StuckMojoPerfDave: more worrisome:
23:25.08jpinx-eeepc!woody->sarge
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23:25.22jpinx-eeepcdpkg: woody->sarge
23:25.23dpkgRead the release notes, ask me about <sarge release notes>.  Ask me about <woody sources.list> as woody has been archived, then: "apt-get install aptitude".  After this, ask me about <sarge sources.list>, then: "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade".  There is serious breakage for around 30% of users according to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00006.html .  Also ask me about <sarge> and <sarge->etch>.
23:25.29StuckMojoPerfDave: i've got woody on the firewall ipsec gateway which the sarge box is behind
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23:25.43PerfDaveStuckMojo: Naughty person, no security support for you!
23:25.59jpinx-eeepcouch - 30% failures
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23:26.11cheakoIs there a deb for the google browser some were?
23:26.22StuckMojowoody->sage won't inplace upgrade?
23:26.27prince_jammyscheako: at google's site
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23:26.36StuckMojoPerfDave: yeah, all it does is iptables and freeswan, so...
23:26.43StuckMojocheako: yes
23:26.55prince_jammysthere is a debian package. just google it :)
23:26.57PerfDavecheako: It's unlikely that Debian would provide one, not least because Google's browser isn't free software; Google may provide a third-party .deb like Opera do.
23:26.57StuckMojojerdman@jerdman-laptop:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/google-chrome.list
23:26.57StuckMojodeb http://dl.google.com/linux/deb/ stable main
23:27.48StuckMojoi'm somewhat sure the current sarge box i have was dist-upgraded from woody cleanly
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23:28.01do0obhi
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23:28.08santiago2hello folks
23:28.19santiago2can you easily check which files are open?
23:28.24do0obthere is something wrong with the sync command its returning immediately but the removeable drive is still flashing its activity indicator
23:28.29StuckMojothe 2 woody boxes, 1 is a dedicated postgresql server (built from source) and otherwise a minimal install, so not much could break. same with the firewall box. custom kernel and freeswan from source, nothing else
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23:28.34PerfDavesantiago2: lsof?
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23:28.39santiago2PerfDave hm
23:28.45linuxguy2009Lets say I want to test out a bunch of apps from the repos. Is there a way to take a snapshot of what is already installed as well as what isnt installed. And then later on I can compare what is currently installed to what was installed when the snapshot was taken so that I can remove everything that wasnt installed when the snapshot was taken? You guys know what I mean?
23:29.04jpinx-eeepclinuxguy2009: dpkg -l
23:29.07Xenguysantiago2: lsof and fuser
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23:29.35StuckMojojpinx-eeepc: PerfDave: last time i asked in here, it was recommended i go straight to lenny from woody, do not pass sarge, do not collect $100
23:29.40PerfDavelinuxguy2009: You might be able to do something with dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections
23:29.42StuckMojomaybe htat would work better
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23:30.01PerfDaveStuckMojo: Uhm, I have no opinion on that based on any facts, but I have a bad feeling about it :)
23:30.05do0obbye, sleep time, i'll sort this later
23:30.07linuxguy2009PerfDave: Is that simaler to what synaptic does with saving and restoring paclage markings?
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23:30.20jpinx-eeepcStuckMojo: that sounds dangerous - goinf sarge -> lenny is not recommendee
23:30.23PerfDavelinuxguy2009: I have no idea what synaptic does I'm afraid, I don't use it.
23:30.27linuxguy2009PerfDave: Cause synaptic is slow at that.
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23:30.40linuxguy2009PerfDave: Ok Ill give it a try.
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23:30.54PerfDavelinuxguy2009: Read the dpkg manpage about it? :)
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23:31.22prince_jammysyou can compare the outputs of dpkg --get-selection later using comm(1)
23:31.28jpinx-eeepclinuxguy2009: do dpkg -l and echo it into a file
23:31.29linuxguy2009PerfDave: Cool I will. I love dpkg for manual package installs its great and fast.
23:31.34prince_jammyss/selection/&s/
23:31.36remotelinuxguy2009: http://tinyurl.com/ycrgao8
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23:32.32odlais there a way to use iwlagn with 2.6.26 with lenny or am i forced to upgrade to 2.6.30 from backport? i ask because upgrading causes my brightness keys to no longer work
23:32.41linuxguy2009remote: Thanks for nothing.
23:33.04lacI have the line export LC_CTYPE=sv_SE.ISO-8859-1 in my .xsession file but when I run a non/KDE  window server it still thinks I have a us keyboard.  What else do I need to change_
23:33.31PerfDavelac: Whichever files are read by the window manager you're using instead? :)
23:33.50odlawhen i boot with acpi=off then i can adjust the brightness but then i lose other functions
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23:34.37PerfDaveodla: Why do you think iwlagn, a kernel module for wireless, is related o your brightness keys?
23:34.47lacaccording to the people in that channel // I am using this for the first time now // there are no special files for enlightenment, just regular x window system files
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23:35.22odlaPerfDave: oh it's not ;) ... it's needing to upgrade from 2.6.26 to 2.6.30 that is
23:35.34odlaPerfDave: in 2.6.30 my brightness control doesn't work
23:35.43PerfDaveodla: Now you're confusing me :)
23:35.58lacso I wondered if there were debian special files question mark
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23:36.47odlaPerfDave: so my wireless card isn't supported by 2.6.26, so i had to install 2.6.30 from backports along with the firmware. unfortunately something happened between 2.6.26 and 2.6.30 to the thinkpad-acpi package and now my keys to adjust brightness no longer work. therefore i want to stick with 2.6.26 if possible
23:37.16prince_jammyslac: try .xsessionrc
23:37.21PerfDaveodla: Well, http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn suggests that you need 2.6.30 for it
23:37.35odlaPerfDave: i know
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23:39.28linuxguy2009prince_jammys:  Perfect thank you! dpkg --get-selections dpkg --set-selections was just what i was looking for.
23:39.43prince_jammysodla: see if the 'tpb' package is of interest.
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23:40.07prince_jammyslinuxguy2009: welcome, though i didn't suggest it :)
23:40.12santiago2the pirate bay?
23:40.17prince_jammys(though it's what i would have used)
23:41.00linuxguy2009prince_jammys: hehe your right
23:41.11linuxguy2009PerfDave: Perfect thank you! dpkg --get-selections dpkg --set-selections was just what i was looking for.
23:41.24prince_jammyssave the output to file, and you can later compare using e.g. comm -3 <(dpkg --get-selections) your_old_selections
23:42.10prince_jammys(if comparing was what the original question was about)
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23:42.27linuxguy2009prince_jammys: Yeah if i test out a bunch of apps i dont have to remober there names then so I know stuff wont get left behind.
23:43.15odlai think the problem is that thinkpad-acpi is letting letting acpi or sometihng else take control for setting the brightness and it doesn't work. even though it's suppose to with more recent acpid
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23:43.28criacuervohow are ya?
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23:44.06criacuervoi have some problems
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23:44.36criacuervoi have some problems with modifying and deleting files
23:44.42criacuervoin my harddrive
23:44.46criacuervochmod: changing permissions of `hda5/': Read-only file system
23:45.17PerfDavecriacuervo: What are you trying to do, how are you trying to do it, and what errors are you getting? Also please don't press enter until you're done talking :)
23:45.44criacuervook
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23:47.35criacuervoi want to use my other partition of my hard disk, i mount the partion(only one the command line),but i cannot delete and add files into it.
23:48.18PerfDaveOK, what partitions are you using now, what's the partition you want to use, and how did you mount it? What are you expecting it to contain?
23:48.20criacuervosorry i forgot , this is the error: chmod: changing permissions of `hda5/': Read-only file system
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23:48.34PerfDaveWhat's the command you're typing to get that error?
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23:49.06criacuervochmod a+rw hda5
23:49.21PerfDavecriacuervo: What directory are you in when you type that command?
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23:50.38TrueDDGnight to all
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23:56.10StuckMojoanyone know what lxde is?
23:56.21StuckMojo<PROTECTED>
23:56.21prince_jammysa desktop environment
23:56.26StuckMojooh
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23:56.30StuckMojoruns openbox
23:56.32PerfDaveIt's a new desktop environment isn't it? Lightweight one.
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23:58.16Tux^verdreifeltnot THAT new..
23:59.10StuckMojoyeah now i recognize it
23:59.19StuckMojoonce i see the screenshots at lxde.org

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