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| 00:10.11 | ali_ | Is there a way to add a collection of existing torrents to rtorrent |
| 00:10.41 | PerfDave | What sort of collection? |
| 00:12.16 | ali_ | Well, I have completed torrents from transmission that I want to keep seeing with rtorrent |
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| 00:19.19 | johndoe | is there a way to find a domains old ip address? |
| 00:19.33 | PerfDave | johndoe: Not an obvious or automatic one... |
| 00:19.42 | dondelelcaro | johndoe: not unless you recorded it, no. |
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| 00:21.00 | johndoe | the domain name for the webpage expired, but im sure its still at the old ip address |
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| 00:21.11 | johndoe | i cant think of a good place to ask this question.. |
| 00:21.32 | johndoe | i thought maybe guys at #debian will know the answer, they know alot :) |
| 00:21.35 | PerfDave | johndoe: I can't think of any way to recover that information really. |
| 00:21.55 | johndoe | PerfDave: thanks anyway :) |
| 00:21.59 | pyrophelia | mdadm question: My building lost power while I was building a rather large array. Most of the drives sync'd fine but 1 didn't. What is the command to add a drive that was assigned to the array and have it resync? |
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| 00:22.38 | pyrophelia | I tried sudo mdadm --manage -a /dev/sda |
| 00:23.11 | pyrophelia | but mdadm says "/dev/sda does not appear to be an md device |
| 00:23.11 | rgr | johndoe: would that site that caches the web not store the IP? |
| 00:23.24 | rgr | s/cache/archive |
| 00:23.40 | johndoe | rgr: good idea, ill check :) |
| 00:24.01 | pyrophelia | er sorry I typed the command wrong |
| 00:25.05 | Tramp | johndoe: you may also try to query netcraft.com. They have a history for a lot of sites |
| 00:25.42 | pyrophelia | I typed sudo mdadm --manage /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda |
| 00:25.49 | rgr | oh willys. the latest testing updates has left my dekstop hanging on by a heartbeat. |
| 00:26.12 | pyrophelia | now I get: can not open /dev/sda: device or resource busy |
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| 00:27.17 | johndoe | Tramp: yep someone posted the info here http://forums.devshed.com/dns-36/historical-record-of-old-ip-address-in-a-records-583807.html |
| 00:27.27 | johndoe | but i still have to learn my way around netcraft |
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| 00:34.38 | pyrophelia | is it possible to probe a device to see how the system is using it? |
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| 00:37.07 | Knorrie | iostat/ |
| 00:37.08 | Knorrie | ? |
| 00:37.29 | pyrophelia | i tried that but nothing is open |
| 00:37.34 | pyrophelia | hell it doesn't even have a fs on it |
| 00:37.43 | pyrophelia | I was gonna wait for the raid to complete it's sync before I formated it |
| 00:38.10 | pyrophelia | is it possible that when I reassembeled the raid mdadm has somehow locked onto /dev/sda? |
| 00:38.24 | pyrophelia | cat /proc/mdstat shows me that the device is listed as [s] |
| 00:38.31 | pyrophelia | i'm not sure what that means though :/ |
| 00:39.20 | pyrophelia | it says md_d0 : inactive sda[0](S) |
| 00:40.09 | Knorrie | can you paste the full output of cat /proc/mdstat to pastebin? |
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| 00:40.38 | pyrophelia | unless I can do it through term i'm kinda limited |
| 00:40.41 | pyrophelia | i have no gui on this system |
| 00:40.58 | pyrophelia | there is a pastbin app isn't there? |
| 00:41.33 | PerfDave | Use a web browser? |
| 00:41.46 | pyrophelia | like lynx? |
| 00:41.47 | pyrophelia | ew |
| 00:41.53 | PerfDave | Personally, I prefer w3m. |
| 00:42.01 | PerfDave | It has good tabbed browsing. |
| 00:42.23 | nevyn | elinks |
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| 00:43.04 | babilen | !tell pyrophelia -about pastebinit |
| 00:43.19 | pyrophelia | I know about pastebin |
| 00:43.24 | babilen | pyrophelia: ^^ horrible code though ... *shudder* but it works |
| 00:43.29 | pyrophelia | yea I know |
| 00:43.31 | pyrophelia | i'm getting it now |
| 00:43.36 | pyrophelia | forgot what it was called |
| 00:43.47 | jerojasro | hi all. How can I redirect stderr to something in dash? stuff like my_command &> /dev/null doesn't work anymore |
| 00:44.17 | dondelelcaro | jerojasro: you want foo 2>/dev/null |
| 00:44.30 | PerfDave | jerojasro: &> is a bash-specific thing |
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| 00:46.54 | jerojasro | yep, that did the trick. thank you |
| 00:47.28 | PerfDave | jerojasro: For reference, the #bash FAQ (google it) is pretty good for letting you know what's bash-specific and what's generic bourne shell. |
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| 00:51.22 | metalfan_ | hi |
| 00:51.40 | metalfan_ | can i use a debian source package thats specified as etch for lenny and build it? |
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| 00:52.50 | PerfDave | metalfan_: Assuming that it has compatible build dependencies, yes. |
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| 00:53.08 | PerfDave | metalfan_: What are you trying to do and why? |
| 00:53.28 | metalfan_ | i need a specific version of mono for some crappy software |
| 00:53.45 | metalfan_ | building mono from sourde does not work out of the box |
| 00:53.54 | PerfDave | That seems to rather go against the point of mono, but still... |
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| 00:54.36 | pyro2 | this is pyrophelia |
| 00:54.39 | PerfDave | Have you tried asking mono's IRC channel about this? There might be a way to put Lenny's Mono into a backwards compatibility mode. Installing Etch's mono on Lenny may well break any mono apps you currently have installed. |
| 00:54.43 | metalfan_ | the developers from bf2cc say that only that version works....i tried it with the current lenny packages of course...no luck |
| 00:54.54 | pyro2 | I logged in from one of my macs to have a little bit more flexibility |
| 00:55.00 | pyro2 | i'm just not strong enough for cli only stuff :( |
| 00:55.03 | pyro2 | anyway |
| 00:55.13 | metalfan_ | PerfDave, good idea |
| 00:55.15 | pyro2 | http://pastebin.com/m7611c126 |
| 00:55.24 | pyro2 | that's the pastebin from my mdstat |
| 00:55.47 | pyro2 | it says /dev/sda is inactive but I can't add it |
| 00:55.49 | pyro2 | I have no idea why |
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| 00:56.20 | metalfan_ | sda is the whole drive, you want sdax where x is a partition |
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| 00:56.36 | pyro2 | none of these drives have partitions |
| 00:56.53 | pyro2 | I wasn't going to format them until after the raid was built |
| 00:57.00 | pyro2 | that's how I've always done it |
| 00:57.08 | pyro2 | is that the wrong way? |
| 00:57.19 | envirocbr | pyro2: Are they formatted now? |
| 00:57.35 | pyro2 | no, the building lost power during the raid sync |
| 00:57.58 | pyro2 | I could format the raid because md0 is operational, but I want to add /dev/sda back and resync the raid |
| 00:58.02 | pyro2 | it took 2 days to sync |
| 00:58.11 | pyro2 | well almost |
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| 00:58.14 | envirocbr | You got issues there |
| 00:58.18 | envirocbr | Why wasn't it on battery backup? |
| 00:58.22 | pyro2 | it was |
| 00:58.27 | pyro2 | building lost power for 3 hours |
| 00:58.40 | pyro2 | the backup for the rack was only good for about 30 minutes |
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| 00:59.05 | pyro2 | they warned us they were going to cut power but that doesn't exactly help |
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| 00:59.42 | envirocbr | pyro2: kind of sucks man, never had such a thing happen to me as of yet |
| 00:59.49 | pyro2 | arg |
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| 01:00.01 | pyro2 | yea they're huge raids |
| 01:00.03 | envirocbr | I don't believe there was even a way you could have stopped it properly, it is either all or nothing |
| 01:00.17 | pyro2 | omg I hope your kidding :( |
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| 01:00.47 | pyro2 | but I don't understand |
| 01:01.29 | envirocbr | Like I said, I never had that happen to me, but I have never really seen an option to stop the process (at least when setting up hardware raid) |
| 01:02.24 | pyro2 | i've never come across a command either so |
| 01:02.25 | metalfan_ | building it fails with: /bin/sh: -O2: command not found this line is a few lines above: CFLAGS=-g -O2 ./configure --build x86_64-linux-gnu --with-tls=__thread --prefix=/usr |
| 01:02.27 | envirocbr | I just got a raise today, feels good! |
| 01:02.28 | metalfan_ | wtf? |
| 01:02.48 | pyro2 | but this is what I don't get |
| 01:02.52 | pyro2 | md0 is active |
| 01:02.53 | pyro2 | well |
| 01:03.05 | pyro2 | sorta, no fs yet but i'll do that after all the disks are sync |
| 01:03.09 | envirocbr | pyro2: You talking about software raid through mdadm? |
| 01:03.13 | pyro2 | yes |
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| 01:03.40 | pyro2 | if /dev/sda is not mounted (no fs so kinda impossible) why does mdadm give me |
| 01:03.51 | pyro2 | sudo mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda |
| 01:03.51 | pyro2 | [sudo] password for pyro: |
| 01:03.51 | pyro2 | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda: Device or resource busy |
| 01:04.05 | pyro2 | why can't I just add the drive that didn't sync and rebuild |
| 01:04.48 | envirocbr | pyro2: Are you use that /dev/sda is not being used? |
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| 01:05.02 | pyro2 | that's the thing how do I find out? |
| 01:05.15 | metalfan_ | ah nice, commenting out CFLAGS helps |
| 01:05.20 | pyro2 | why would it be used by something? it's not mounted |
| 01:05.30 | metalfan_ | pyro2, oh sry...thought you did the basic mistake |
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| 01:05.33 | illuminati | hi |
| 01:05.39 | pyro2 | maybe which was> |
| 01:05.54 | illuminati | I get this when I run a program --> "/lib/i686/libc.so.6: verion 'GLIBC_2.4' not found. I tried to compiled it statically con gcc but I recive a segmentation fault. Any ideas ? |
| 01:06.07 | pyro2 | whats the basic mistake? |
| 01:06.12 | keith4_ | this is a long shot, but has anyone happened to seen anything about cramming debian onto one of these? http://moxi.com/us/moxi_mate.html |
| 01:06.22 | envirocbr | pyro2: mount will show you if it is mounted |
| 01:06.33 | Titan8990 | illuminati, what is it? |
| 01:06.35 | envirocbr | lsof | grep -i sda |
| 01:06.44 | envirocbr | possibly find something in there |
| 01:07.05 | pyro2 | envirocbr, there is no fs so how could it be mounted? |
| 01:07.22 | pyro2 | and no mount said "can't find /dev/sda in fstab blah blah blah |
| 01:07.32 | illuminati | hi Titan8990 |
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| 01:07.44 | Titan8990 | pyro2, thats what happens when you don't give a mount point |
| 01:07.51 | Titan8990 | pyro2, and don't have an fstab entry |
| 01:07.55 | illuminati | is a program that I would like to run but I need to compile it statically |
| 01:07.57 | envirocbr | did you do a lsof | grep sda just to make sure, otherwise, I would assume something is just fooked |
| 01:08.33 | envirocbr | Titan8990: mount should just display all devices that are mounted |
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| 01:08.52 | Titan8990 | illuminati, the application is not available in debian? |
| 01:09.17 | pyro2 | negative, sda is not in use |
| 01:09.18 | Titan8990 | envirocbr, `mount` does, `mount /dev/sda1` does not |
| 01:09.26 | pyro2 | there is something screwy with mdadm then |
| 01:09.28 | PerfDave | illuminati: What version of Ubuntu are you running? |
| 01:09.31 | pyro2 | it must be trying to use it |
| 01:09.33 | pyro2 | somehow |
| 01:09.39 | Titan8990 | PerfDave, what? |
| 01:10.03 | illuminati | Titan8990 in my program :p I wanted to try it in other linux. Do you know the correct way to compile statically ? |
| 01:10.11 | envirocbr | Titan8990: I didn't see that |
| 01:10.13 | envirocbr | lol |
| 01:10.30 | pyro2 | the only drive mounted is /dev/sdat |
| 01:10.33 | envirocbr | You guys handle Ubuntu issues in here? |
| 01:10.55 | pyro2 | envirocbr, that's dangerous |
| 01:11.04 | PerfDave | envirocbr: No, we don't. |
| 01:11.04 | Titan8990 | illuminati, -static gcc option |
| 01:11.10 | Titan8990 | !ubuntu |
| 01:11.11 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 01:11.33 | illuminati | timburke I did it but I get a segmentation fault I don't know why |
| 01:11.35 | metalfan_ | illuminati, how did you create this problem on a debian? |
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| 01:11.58 | Titan8990 | illuminati, try strace |
| 01:11.58 | envirocbr | Titan8990: I was just asking, I saw someone ask and I hear all the time how people say "Ubuntu == Debian" just a question |
| 01:12.08 | Titan8990 | illuminati, and consider joining #c |
| 01:12.33 | illuminati | I'm already :p |
| 01:12.34 | Titan8990 | envirocbr, the people who say that, are usually ubuntu users that don't know any better |
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| 01:12.55 | pyro2 | envirocbr, ubuntu moves much faster and is willing to take more risks. ubuntu != debian |
| 01:13.07 | pyro2 | ie. ext4 |
| 01:13.17 | envirocbr | Titan8990: I know...I attend LUG meetings infrequently for free pizza/dinner when the wife is working late on those days |
| 01:13.40 | envirocbr | pyro2: I fathom that Ubuntu is to debian what Fedora is to CentOS |
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| 01:13.54 | PerfDave | envirocbr: No |
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| 01:13.57 | pyro2 | no |
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| 01:14.04 | envirocbr | i stand corrected then |
| 01:14.10 | envirocbr | Fedora does suck |
| 01:14.22 | PerfDave | Fedora is the official development branch for RedHat; Ubuntu is a periodic snapshot of Debian Unstable with some custom patches applied. |
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| 01:14.33 | envirocbr | Ah |
| 01:14.54 | AimHere | Surely Ubuntu is to Debian what CentOS is to RedHat |
| 01:15.09 | envirocbr | well, CentOS isn't unstable |
| 01:15.09 | Titan8990 | AimHere, not even close |
| 01:15.11 | PerfDave | No, CentOS aims to be entirely compatible with RedHat |
| 01:15.17 | envirocbr | bingo |
| 01:15.24 | envirocbr | and that is why we use it on ALL of our servers |
| 01:15.37 | PerfDave | Ubuntu is to Debian as something not very good is to something good ;) |
| 01:15.37 | envirocbr | Minus the lame old Sun servers that we are trying to get rid of |
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| 01:16.01 | envirocbr | Anyone want a netra T1 105 |
| 01:16.14 | Titan8990 | i have a netra already |
| 01:16.27 | pyro2 | so i'm still stuck, how do I add a drive to my raid if the raid didn't sync properly? |
| 01:16.28 | envirocbr | For home? |
| 01:16.34 | PerfDave | has a bunch of SPARC kit in the basement |
| 01:16.36 | pyro2 | is my only option to rebuild it from scratch |
| 01:16.37 | Titan8990 | yeah, for play |
| 01:16.44 | pyro2 | that's can't be true |
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| 01:16.54 | envirocbr | Titan8990: I haven't fired mine up in a while, they are sitting here next to me |
| 01:16.57 | pyro2 | s/that's/that |
| 01:17.19 | dondelelcaro | pyro2: is this a new raid? or an old one? why isn't it syncing? |
| 01:17.30 | envirocbr | pyro2: have you read documentation on this? googled it? |
| 01:17.37 | pyro2 | new raid, I lost building power during the sync |
| 01:18.02 | pyro2 | envirobr, yes I know the command but it says the device is busy |
| 01:18.20 | envirocbr | pyro2: What is the command you are attemtping again? |
| 01:18.31 | pyro2 | sudo mdadm /dev/md0 -a /dev/sda |
| 01:18.31 | pyro2 | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda: Device or resource busy |
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| 01:19.00 | pyro2 | I think mdadm grabbed the disk and thinks it's faulty because the raid didn't sync properly |
| 01:19.13 | pyro2 | it is listed in mdstat |
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| 01:19.46 | envirocbr | have you tried mroe insane options such as --assume-clean ? |
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| 01:20.15 | pyro2 | well, it's not clean because I know it didn't finish the sync would that hurt the raid? |
| 01:20.18 | blastor | /usr/include/ffmpeg |
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| 01:20.22 | pyro2 | granted there isn't anything on it yet but |
| 01:20.48 | blastor | t, int, int)â is deprecated (declared at /usr/include/ffmpeg/avcodec.h:2463) |
| 01:20.48 | blastor | zm_mpeg.cpp:381: error: âerrnoâ was not declared in this scope |
| 01:20.49 | blastor | make[2]: *** [zm_mpeg.o] Error 1 |
| 01:21.06 | blastor | i trying install zoneminder and i cant |
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| 01:23.26 | envirocbr | pyro2: -force? |
| 01:23.33 | envirocbr | --run? |
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| 01:25.32 | pyro2 | sudo mdadm /dev/md0 -a --force /dev/sda |
| 01:25.33 | pyro2 | mdadm: set device faulty failed for /dev/sda: No such device |
| 01:25.33 | pyro2 | strange |
| 01:25.38 | blastor | mi novia es la mejor en la cama y no lo digo yo lo dicen todos |
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| 01:32.42 | djura-san | ola 2 all o/ |
| 01:32.58 | djura-san | question: does xfce debian flavour ships with oo.org? |
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| 01:34.42 | EagleRock | djura-san: there isn't any "flavors" of debian, so to speak |
| 01:35.01 | EagleRock | you can install whatever apps you want regardless of your graphical environment |
| 01:35.07 | djura-san | i know that but |
| 01:35.23 | PerfDave | EagleRock: There are prebuilt CD ISOs for Debian with KDE, Gnome and XFCE |
| 01:35.31 | djura-san | i was wondering are xfce live apps included in xfce install version? |
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| 01:36.05 | ksnp | hi i am trying to use cryptsetup and i keep geting via padlock not detected |
| 01:36.22 | PerfDave | djura-san: "xfce live apps"? |
| 01:36.52 | ksnp | i was able to create a crypsetup file mapped as device with luks, and mount and writ eto it, but when i unmount and try to mount again it complains about the passphrase being incorrect although it is not |
| 01:36.55 | djura-san | In xfec live OO.org 2.4 is included bu default |
| 01:37.00 | djura-san | *xfce |
| 01:37.11 | ksnp | tried the process 10 times, and it complains about the passphrase, any suggestions of what might be happening ? |
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| 01:37.28 | djura-san | so i was wondering is it included in xfce install disc ? |
| 01:37.41 | EagleRock | PerfDave: where are those prebuilt CDs located? I can't seem to find them on the site |
| 01:37.49 | PerfDave | ksnp: Is something changing yorur keyboard layout between writing the passphrase and entering it? |
| 01:38.03 | ksnp | no its not |
| 01:38.25 | djura-san | ksnp, thank you |
| 01:38.26 | PerfDave | EagleRock: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:38.30 | ksnp | i used the same way to setup the password first |
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| 01:38.39 | djura-san | oh soryy |
| 01:38.48 | PerfDave | EagleRock: debian-503-i386-kde-CD-1.iso et al. |
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| 01:39.01 | PerfDave | djura-san: What do you mean by "xfce live"? |
| 01:39.01 | EagleRock | PerfDave: thanks |
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| 01:39.50 | pyro2 | sudo mdadm --incremental --rebuild /dev/md0 |
| 01:39.50 | pyro2 | mdadm: no recognisable superblock on /dev/md0. |
| 01:40.07 | djura-san | PerfDave, debian xfce live (lenny) |
| 01:40.07 | pyro2 | is that because there is no fs? |
| 01:40.18 | EagleRock | djura-san: I'm pretty sure oo.o is included as the default office suite |
| 01:40.29 | orion_x11 | how do I install jigdo-file? I am using Squeeze, but the package does not appear in synaptic :-( |
| 01:40.41 | Tramp | ksnp: which command exactly are you running and what exactly is the error? |
| 01:40.50 | EagleRock | do you not have the ability to install oo.o on the target machine? |
| 01:40.54 | PerfDave | djura-san: OK, so you're saying that oo.org is on the Debian XFCE LiveCD, and want to know whether it's on the Debian XFCE install CD? |
| 01:41.35 | djura-san | PerfDave, yes. Sorry im kind sleppy since its ~3 am |
| 01:41.36 | djura-san | :( |
| 01:41.40 | djura-san | *kinda |
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| 01:43.05 | ksnp | Tramp, getting the exact message |
| 01:43.05 | ksnp | in a min. |
| 01:43.29 | EagleRock | djura-san: did you download the XFCE install .iso? If so, you can mount the .iso and check the respository on the disk for the openoffice .debs |
| 01:43.55 | djura-san | EagleRock, yeah. I totally fogot about that |
| 01:44.01 | djura-san | i will do that way |
| 01:44.36 | EagleRock | djura-san: good...I usually install via netinst, so I really am not sure what's on what CD, sorry |
| 01:45.26 | djura-san | EagleRock, i have netinstall to but im kind packages freak since i save them all so building from netinstall is kinda... But maybe i install netinstall again :] |
| 01:46.18 | PerfDave | can't remember the sensible way to see what packages are included in a given Debian install CD/DVD image |
| 01:46.49 | PerfDave | Ah well, time for bed. |
| 01:46.58 | EagleRock | gnight |
| 01:47.06 | djura-san | night |
| 01:47.21 | PerfDave | Night all |
| 01:47.24 | hark | !cd contents |
| 01:47.24 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
| 01:47.30 | orion_x11 | has jigdo-lite changed its name? I cannot find this package in squeeze |
| 01:47.50 | orion_x11 | I want to download it |
| 01:47.59 | hark | also check out http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/list-cd/ |
| 01:48.04 | PerfDave | hark: Ah, that was it - except I was using less rather than zless |
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| 01:49.14 | djura-san | openoffice (including java for oo) is included on xfce debian installation disc |
| 01:49.25 | djura-san | thank you all |
| 01:49.34 | EagleRock | great |
| 01:49.36 | EagleRock | enjoy |
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| 01:50.26 | EagleRock | hmm, jigdo doesn't exist past lenny |
| 01:50.31 | EagleRock | in the debian repos anyway |
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| 01:50.51 | EagleRock | I see it in sid |
| 01:51.08 | PerfDave | It always was kind of beta... |
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| 01:51.44 | pyro2 | what is the best practice when building a software raid. build the raid then format, or format first, and then build the array? |
| 01:51.49 | djura-san | EagleRock, i think that i will use netinstall. i just noticed that there are lxde packages in xfce iso image. anyway xfce should be arround 30mb so not big deal |
| 01:51.52 | pyro2 | I will be using the whole disk in the array |
| 01:52.00 | orion_x11 | EagleRock, So how do I download an iso image using jigdo then? |
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| 01:52.57 | EagleRock | orion_x11: not sure, I haven't done it in years |
| 01:53.09 | EagleRock | !jigdo |
| 01:53.09 | dpkg | somebody said jigdo was Jigsaw Download, *the* method for downloading CD/DVD/BD images of Debian. See "Downloading Debian CD images with jigdo" at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ . See also http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/ , http://wiki.debian.org/jigdo and <blu-ray disc>. |
| 01:53.33 | ksnp | Tramp, thi sis the message : |
| 01:53.33 | ksnp | cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/loop0 crypt0 |
| 01:53.34 | ksnp | Enter LUKS passphrase: |
| 01:53.34 | ksnp | Command failed: No key available with this passphrase. |
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| 01:53.56 | orion_x11 | it is in debian home page > http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/downloadingyourfirstimage.html#RUNJIGDO-LITE |
| 01:54.00 | ksnp | although the passphrase is correct |
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| 01:55.02 | goose | I'm about to rent a VPS for general fooling around stuff, and I have the option to have Debian Etch 4.0 or Debian Lenny 5.0 installed on it. Which one should I use? I'd imagine Lenny, as it's newer, but just to confirm. |
| 01:55.27 | Tramp | ksnp: hmm. And cryptsetup luksDump /dev/loop0 shows you an ENABLED keyslot? |
| 01:55.45 | ksnp | trying that |
| 01:55.52 | EagleRock | goose, if you have no reason to use etch above lenny, it's probably best to use the current stable release |
| 01:56.04 | ksnp | Tramp, I get this : |
| 01:56.05 | ksnp | Command failed: read failed in read_blockwise. |
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| 01:57.31 | Tramp | ksnp: then loop0 is not a luksDevice, I'd say. Try alsocryptsetup isLuks /dev/loop0; echo $? |
| 01:57.42 | Tramp | ksnp: then loop0 is not a luksDevice, I'd say. Try also cryptsetup isLuks /dev/loop0; echo $? |
| 01:58.02 | PerfDave | goose: Etch will lose security support on February 14th 2010 |
| 01:58.26 | goose | ok. thank you very much EagleRock and PerfDave :) I'll use Lenny |
| 01:58.53 | EagleRock | goose: you're welcome...enjoy Debian! |
| 01:58.54 | orion_x11 | It simply says that I have to install jigdo-file > apt-get install jigdo-file > but the package is not in the list |
| 01:59.24 | orion_x11 | although the template is in the debian home site |
| 01:59.31 | goose | EagleRock: thanks :) |
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| 01:59.45 | EagleRock | orion_x11: yeah, I don't really know what's going on with jigdo lately...it was never fully released |
| 01:59.52 | ksnp | Tramp, i get 251 |
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| 02:00.02 | EagleRock | and I haven't seen work on it for a loooong time |
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| 02:00.26 | ksnp | i followed the steps for creating it as per this link pretty much : http://feraga.com/library/howto_use_cryptsetup_with_luks_support_0 |
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| 02:00.55 | Tramp | ksnp: well, you should get 0. Your loop device is broken, I'd say. What does "losetup /dev/loop0" say? |
| 02:00.56 | PerfDave | http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=jigdo # Why jigdo is not in squeeze |
| 02:01.04 | hark | orion_x11: install it from either lenny or sid |
| 02:01.21 | ksnp | loop: can't get info on device /dev/loop0: No such device or address |
| 02:01.29 | ksnp | Tramp, i unmounted it though |
| 02:01.44 | ksnp | i am going to try to recreate it |
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| 02:02.29 | Tramp | ksnp: no |
| 02:02.42 | Tramp | ksnp: do: "losetup -f <the file you created>" |
| 02:03.09 | Tramp | ksnp: then check with losetup /dev/loop0, that the mapping is set up |
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| 02:04.10 | orion_x11 | hark, jigdo is not in lenny as well |
| 02:04.13 | orion_x11 | :-( |
| 02:04.15 | ksnp | Tramp, ok |
| 02:04.15 | Tramp | ksnp: then continue with the luksOpen. This should succeed. Then mount the mapping (/dev/mapper/crypt0) |
| 02:04.37 | Tramp | ksnp: so the order is: losetup, cryptsetup, mount. |
| 02:05.37 | ksnp | Tramp, ha, now it works ! |
| 02:05.48 | hark | orion_x11: it's jigdo-file |
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| 02:05.59 | orion_x11 | yes |
| 02:06.11 | Tramp | ksnp: I take that as "thank you" - so yw. |
| 02:06.37 | ksnp | yes of course ! thanks so much |
| 02:06.48 | ksnp | can you please tell me which step i am doing wrong in the folloiwng ? |
| 02:07.02 | ksnp | i guess ican't copy/paste here |
| 02:07.13 | ksnp | and pastebin.com isn't working |
| 02:07.14 | hark | judd: versions jigdo-file |
| 02:07.14 | judd | hark: jigdo-file -- etch: 0.7.3-1 lenny: 0.7.3-2 sid: 0.7.3-2 |
| 02:07.18 | ksnp | is there any other pastebin site ? |
| 02:07.21 | hark | orion_x11: ^ |
| 02:07.30 | ksnp | Tramp ? |
| 02:07.39 | Tramp | !pastebin |
| 02:07.40 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 02:07.59 | orion_x11 | hark, I've found it in unstable, but I am using testing, so I will have lots of dependencies issues |
| 02:08.14 | ksnp | thanks |
| 02:08.22 | hark | orion_x11: what dependency issues? |
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| 02:09.16 | poorubuntuguy_ | hi folks... my ubuntu raid1 box is messed up, when i try to boot up i see the ubuntu logo and nothing else.... i'm in the live cd right now. before this i tried to fix the /dev/md0 (/) and /dev/md1 (/home) partitions by "sudo fsck /dev/md0" but i see: "fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/md0; The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2" what to do now (yes i have a backup |
| 02:09.16 | poorubuntuguy_ | thats in the cloud but restoring takes days) |
| 02:09.23 | orion_x11 | hark, I do not want to mix my source.list |
| 02:09.25 | poorubuntuguy_ | yes i know its ubuntu not debian, but i couldnt get help in #ubuntu |
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| 02:10.01 | Titan8990 | !they don't know |
| 02:10.02 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 02:10.16 | Titan8990 | poorubuntuguy_, still not supported here |
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| 02:10.38 | poorubuntuguy_ | Titan8990: but its mdadm just like for debian |
| 02:10.47 | ksnp | Tramp, here it is : http://pastie.org/738328 can you tell me where i should change the commands ? |
| 02:11.01 | Titan8990 | poorubuntuguy_, then go try ##linux |
| 02:11.07 | Titan8990 | poorubuntuguy_, ubuntu is offtopic here |
| 02:11.39 | gparent | I'm having a bit of trouble configuring iptables on debian |
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| 02:11.49 | gparent | I have xt_state match compiled as a module, and I modprobe'd it |
| 02:12.03 | gparent | but I can't use -m state in my rules or it fails to work |
| 02:12.21 | EagleRock | Titan8990: do you know every single factoid in that bot db? :-) |
| 02:12.43 | gparent | http://codepad.org/zH8HpyQO |
| 02:13.25 | hark | orion_x11: you can install it and then remove the sid repo or just get it from packages.debian.org. it's up to you |
| 02:13.37 | Tramp | ksnp: well, that should work. Problem is, you are not guaranteed that loop0 is available |
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| 02:14.06 | EagleRock | orion_x11: you can also add the sid repo and perform apt-pinning to make sure nothing gets installed from sid without you wanting it to be |
| 02:14.11 | lolufail | hi! |
| 02:14.24 | EagleRock | !tell orion_x11 about apt-pinning |
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| 02:14.28 | EagleRock | hi lolufail |
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| 02:14.42 | hark | no need to pin |
| 02:14.54 | djura-san | is there any good to use 64bit linux? i plan to buy new pc and i have to buy 64bit since there are no 32bit now. |
| 02:15.15 | djura-san | the catch is that i plan to buy 8gb of ram (i just chase good mb and a lot of ram. Graphics and cpu is not really my priorities) |
| 02:15.22 | lolufail | I want to use the dotdeb php5.3 packages, but appear to have some apt-pinning problems: http://pastebin.com/m39dc4b54 |
| 02:15.29 | Titan8990 | EagleRock, getting there :) |
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| 02:15.53 | lolufail | I can install everything that's only in that repository, but he'll try to install the lenny packages over the newer ones, and I dont get why |
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| 02:16.25 | hark | orion_x11: i'd just get the package from lenny |
| 02:16.27 | lolufail | here's sources.list and preferences: http://pastebin.com/m3ffb3bab |
| 02:17.06 | lolufail | I even tried the "unknown" from the apt-show-versions output in preferences |
| 02:17.57 | lolufail | from testing I only take nginx btw |
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| 02:19.16 | ksnp | Tramp, how can i check if loop0 is available ? and why would it not be avialable ? |
| 02:19.37 | dondelelcaro | ksnp: because you haven't loaded the loop module or haven't created the nodes. |
| 02:19.47 | dondelelcaro | ksnp: -e /dev/loop0 will tell if it's available |
| 02:20.14 | ksnp | when you say availalbe does it mean created but being used for something else ? or just not created ? |
| 02:20.19 | lolufail | any ideas? |
| 02:20.52 | ksnp | Tramp, the error that i got and the fix you suggested - do they correspond to loop0 not being available ? |
| 02:21.05 | dondelelcaro | ksnp: if you mean whether its in use for something else or not, use losetup |
| 02:21.19 | lolufail | the dotdeb packages are marked as "lenny", why won't he try to use them? or is there something wrong with the repository? |
| 02:22.07 | Tramp | ksnp: no. You write: losetup -d /dev/loop0 (very last line) - that destroys the mapping |
| 02:22.45 | ksnp | Tramp, i rebooted the machine and then followed the method that i put in that link, but it gave the error / problem that you told you about |
| 02:22.55 | Tramp | losetup /dev/loop0 <filename> - that's what you did not do. |
| 02:22.56 | ksnp | how can i avoid that ? i am not using loop0 for anything otherwise |
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| 02:23.16 | NiLon | lolufail who are you talking about? |
| 02:23.30 | Tramp | ksnp: I don't understand. The pastebin describes the correct procedure, but you did not follow it until I told you |
| 02:23.43 | gparent | god damn, this is awful |
| 02:23.53 | ksnp | Tramp, I followed it and it did not work, but you told me something that got it working |
| 02:23.59 | gparent | loading some iptables module is making my network connection die apparently |
| 02:24.04 | Tramp | ksnp: the first step under "mount a crypt container" - that's what you did not do. |
| 02:24.07 | ksnp | Tramp, i am going to try the procedure again after reboot |
| 02:24.09 | gparent | and everything is set to ACCEPT. |
| 02:24.15 | Tramp | ksnp: no. You either forgot it or mistyped or whatever. |
| 02:24.21 | lolufail | NiLon: with "he"? the machine ;) |
| 02:24.23 | ksnp | Tramp, ok, i am going to try it out again |
| 02:24.47 | ksnp | Tramp, would you know about this message Via Padlock not availalbe ? |
| 02:24.57 | ksnp | i get that sometimes on the console |
| 02:25.04 | NiLon | lolufail did you run apt-get update after you modified source list? |
| 02:25.20 | lolufail | NiLon: yes. |
| 02:25.24 | Tramp | ksnp: no. I get it as well on bootup. I don't car. It's some hardware device where the module is searched for or some such. |
| 02:25.36 | orion_x11 | hark EagleRock > I have managed to install jigdo-lite. Many thx for the help :-) |
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| 02:26.06 | Tramp | ksnp: I even googled once, but considered it not to be worth than 2 minutes of my time and didn't find it within two minutes |
| 02:27.09 | EagleRock | orion_x11: glad to hear it |
| 02:27.10 | EagleRock | :-) |
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| 02:27.44 | ksnp | Tramp, ok as long as it works, i don't care too, was just curious if it is something to pay attention to |
| 02:28.01 | Tramp | not to my knowledge |
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| 02:30.52 | ksnp | ok |
| 02:30.54 | ksnp | Tramp, is cryptsetup -c aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 -y luksFormat /dev/loop0 guarantee the best encryption available ? |
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| 02:31.40 | Tramp | ksnp: that's debatable. It's fine however. |
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| 02:33.01 | pyro2 | meh I need a real mdadm pro. I lost power to my building during the syncing of a raid I was building and even though I can assemble the raid one of the drives didn't sync properly |
| 02:33.44 | pyro2 | now that drive doens't have any superblocks according to mdadm, and I can't just reubild the array because the drive is "in use or busy" what the heck do I do |
| 02:34.04 | lolufail | pyro2: is it listed in mdadm -D? |
| 02:34.08 | ksnp | Tramp, ok, thanks a bunch for the help |
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| 02:34.46 | Tramp | yw |
| 02:34.46 | lolufail | pyro2: and are you _sure_ you have the correct drive? |
| 02:34.46 | Ariel_Calzada | hi |
| 02:34.46 | Ariel_Calzada | my debian mount ntfs usb disk only as readonly any idea why??? |
| 02:34.46 | Ariel_Calzada | i need to write some data to this |
| 02:35.00 | lolufail | pyro2: I once tried to add a usb-drive to the array, was confused about the missing superblock, until I noticed... |
| 02:35.10 | lolufail | he was already mounted, therefore busy |
| 02:35.13 | lolufail | it* |
| 02:35.23 | pyro2 | no, the drive is not mounted |
| 02:35.25 | pyro2 | it has no FS |
| 02:35.25 | Arrowmaster | Ariel_Calzada: do you have ntfs-3g? |
| 02:35.38 | pyro2 | I was going to format the array after the raid had syncd |
| 02:36.01 | lolufail | pyro2: post mdadm -D output |
| 02:36.13 | lolufail | madm -D /dev/md? |
| 02:36.37 | Ariel_Calzada | Arrowmaster: yes |
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| 02:36.51 | pyro2 | http://pastebin.com/m4579c720 |
| 02:37.23 | pyro2 | make that 2 drives |
| 02:37.44 | lolufail | pyro2: ow. |
| 02:37.51 | lolufail | post fdisk -l output |
| 02:37.59 | pyro2 | of? |
| 02:38.10 | lolufail | just "fdisk -l" |
| 02:38.15 | lolufail | will print everything |
| 02:38.47 | lolufail | you're using ubuntu ;) |
| 02:39.01 | lolufail | gnahaha "this is #debian, go away" -.- |
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| 02:39.28 | EagleRock | LOL I noticed that in the output...I don't know enough about mdadm to really be able to troubleshoot this tho |
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| 02:40.31 | pyro2 | no that is the name of the system I chose because we had debian on here |
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| 02:40.54 | pyro2 | er we had ubuntu* |
| 02:40.55 | lolufail | pyro2: O_o what? |
| 02:40.58 | lolufail | ah ;) |
| 02:41.18 | pyro2 | our servers are ubutnu1 ubuntu2 ubuntu3 etc |
| 02:41.27 | pyro2 | this isn't ubuntu though |
| 02:41.42 | lolufail | yeah w/e post the fdisk output, I really don't care if you use ubuntu or debian |
| 02:41.57 | lolufail | unlinke some other here :D |
| 02:42.06 | lolufail | -n |
| 02:42.34 | pyro2 | http://pastebin.com/m4b65b5bb |
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| 02:43.00 | pyro2 | that's just sda |
| 02:43.08 | pyro2 | want me to post all the disks in the array? |
| 02:43.19 | lolufail | pyro2: aah I overread that you're not using any partitions |
| 02:43.25 | pyro2 | not yet |
| 02:43.31 | pyro2 | I wanted to sync the raid first |
| 02:43.48 | lolufail | and mdadm --readd /dev/md0 /dev/sda /dev/sdb doesnt work? |
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| 02:44.09 | lolufail | ups |
| 02:44.36 | pyro2 | udo mdadm --re-add /dev/md0 /dev/sda /dev/sdb |
| 02:44.36 | pyro2 | mdadm: Cannot open /dev/sda: Device or resource busy |
| 02:44.54 | lolufail | is /dev/sdb added? |
| 02:44.56 | lolufail | mdadm -D ? |
| 02:44.59 | pyro2 | I just added that one |
| 02:45.04 | lolufail | try sdb |
| 02:45.15 | pyro2 | yes it worked |
| 02:45.22 | lolufail | hmm |
| 02:45.26 | pyro2 | but I took that out myself a little while ago just to test something |
| 02:45.30 | pyro2 | the drive that was giving me problems was a |
| 02:45.40 | pyro2 | the drive is fine |
| 02:45.45 | pyro2 | I don't understand what's using it |
| 02:45.46 | pyro2 | or why |
| 02:45.54 | lolufail | did you reboot yet? |
| 02:45.59 | pyro2 | yes |
| 02:46.00 | pyro2 | several times |
| 02:46.07 | lolufail | and boot into runlevel 2? |
| 02:46.16 | lolufail | maybe that would help |
| 02:46.21 | pyro2 | yeap |
| 02:46.23 | pyro2 | i'm in 2 |
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| 02:46.56 | lolufail | I would try one of the following: |
| 02:47.06 | lolufail | adding "single" to the kernel cmdline in your bootmanager |
| 02:47.20 | lolufail | or: pulling the sata cable while machine is on |
| 02:47.24 | lolufail | and plugging it back :D |
| 02:47.39 | pyro2 | oh god thats going to be a pain |
| 02:47.46 | lolufail | or first try: |
| 02:47.58 | lolufail | dmesg | grep -C5 sda |
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| 02:48.52 | jmarsden | To find out what is using a device or file, use lsof ... and do not pull out SATA connections while live, unless a real emergency exists... |
| 02:49.11 | pyro2 | http://pastebin.com/m3db49d0a |
| 02:49.26 | pyro2 | jmarsden: there is no fs on the drive |
| 02:49.56 | pyro2 | i've done lsof several times, nothing comes back |
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| 02:50.16 | jmarsden | pyro2: So.... some Linux process must have the devicefile /dev/sda open... and lsof can tell you which one. |
| 02:50.17 | lolufail | wtf is sdam etc? |
| 02:50.38 | pyro2 | there are 45 disks in this system |
| 02:50.39 | pyro2 | :) |
| 02:50.42 | lolufail | pyro2: did you try the --fail --remove stuff on /dev/sda? |
| 02:50.54 | lolufail | I guess you did ;) |
| 02:50.57 | pyro2 | yes |
| 02:51.19 | pyro2 | jmarsden: what is the exact command |
| 02:51.27 | pyro2 | i've tried lsof -l /dev/sda |
| 02:51.30 | pyro2 | nothing comes back |
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| 02:53.20 | lolufail | pyro2: you could try some bootcd, or try first: mdadm -S /dev/md0 && mdadm --assemble /dev/md0 /dev/sda /dev/sdb /dev/sdc /dev/sdd /dev/sde /dev/sdf |
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| 02:54.05 | lolufail | or, zero the superblock of /dev/sda |
| 02:54.07 | lolufail | and add it then |
| 02:54.21 | lolufail | maybe from a bootcd if he won't allow it while in use |
| 02:54.30 | pyro2 | I think I tried that already, it said no superblock found |
| 02:54.42 | pyro2 | do you know the cmd off the top of your head? |
| 02:54.52 | lolufail | mdadm --zero-superblock |
| 02:54.57 | jmarsden | lsof -f -- /dev/sda # or /dev/sda1 etc for each partition on that drive... |
| 02:55.11 | jmarsden | I need to go... back in an hour or so I expect... |
| 02:55.22 | pyro2 | lsof -f -- /dev/sda |
| 02:55.22 | pyro2 | pyro@ubuntu1:~$ |
| 02:55.27 | pyro2 | nothing |
| 02:55.37 | pyro2 | and quit asking, this is not an ubuntu system |
| 02:55.44 | pyro2 | I didn't have a choice over the name |
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| 02:56.43 | rgr | in debian testing evince pdf viewer is opening each time with the page preview pane open on the left. Anyone know how to stop this? |
| 02:56.55 | pyro2 | sudo mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/sda |
| 02:56.55 | pyro2 | mdadm: Couldn't open /dev/sda for write - not zeroing |
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| 02:58.08 | lolufail | pyro2: if I couldn't find anything that's blocking sda, I'd pull the plug, if your controller supports it. mine does, so it's no biggie at all |
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| 02:58.19 | lolufail | I do tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
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| 02:58.52 | lolufail | YMMV :D |
| 02:58.54 | markybob | this can all be solved with two words: yo mama |
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| 02:59.46 | remote | markybob: http://tinyurl.com/ylsnzng |
| 02:59.53 | pyro2 | http://pastebin.com/mf809f11 |
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| 03:00.28 | markybob | remote yes. yo mama == bullshit :-P |
| 03:00.32 | lolufail | pyro2: what's that |
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| 03:01.12 | pyro2 | I do tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 03:01.19 | pyro2 | and I really can't pull that drive out |
| 03:01.45 | pyro2 | the server is 145lbs, it's the top box on the rack, and the drive I need is all the way in the back |
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| 03:02.17 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf -- 145lbs server??? |
| 03:02.17 | markybob | there are rack servers with drives in the back? i've never seen that. ever |
| 03:02.31 | pyro2 | it's top loaded |
| 03:02.44 | pyro2 | it's a custom built design so we could get 45 hard disks in 1 case |
| 03:02.56 | pyro2 | you have to pull the case out to access the drives |
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| 03:03.07 | markybob | alright...sorry. i'm going to stop being nice. bullshit |
| 03:03.07 | jpinx-eeepc | that's heavier than my girlfriend - but she's front-loading ;) |
| 03:03.12 | pyro2 | .... |
| 03:03.39 | jpinx-eeepc | markybob: *stop* ?? ;) |
| 03:04.00 | pyro2 | http://blog.backblaze.com/2009/09/01/petabytes-on-a-budget-how-to-build-cheap-cloud-storage/ |
| 03:04.03 | pyro2 | feel free to read it |
| 03:04.06 | pyro2 | that's what we built |
| 03:04.10 | pyro2 | it works great |
| 03:04.10 | pyro2 | and yes |
| 03:04.12 | pyro2 | it is 145lbs |
| 03:04.28 | pyro2 | we have 7 online already |
| 03:04.37 | markybob | my god, you're an idiot |
| 03:04.43 | markybob | and you're seeing why right now |
| 03:04.51 | pyro2 | how so? |
| 03:05.05 | pyro2 | we needed massive storage cheap |
| 03:05.06 | markybob | putting together a server that you cant fix or maintain |
| 03:05.19 | pyro2 | it's not that hard |
| 03:05.23 | pyro2 | I'm just the only guy here right now |
| 03:05.27 | pyro2 | i'm not going to move it by myself |
| 03:05.41 | markybob | i didnt say it was hard to be an idiot. just that you were one |
| 03:05.56 | pyro2 | as I said, we needed massive amounts of storage cheap |
| 03:06.01 | pyro2 | it's great |
| 03:06.17 | pyro2 | call it what you will but if the building power hadn't gone out when it did I wouldn't have this problem |
| 03:06.28 | pyro2 | and yes I do have a battery backup system |
| 03:06.34 | pyro2 | it only lasted 30 minutes |
| 03:06.37 | pyro2 | our power went out for 3 hours |
| 03:06.57 | markybob | yes...that makes you bright. and still in a world of shit. |
| 03:07.34 | pyro2 | owell, we are down 1 box right now, big whoop. if I have to I'll just rebuild the system |
| 03:07.37 | pyro2 | I don't want to but I can |
| 03:07.42 | pyro2 | it's not that big of a problem |
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| 03:07.56 | magyar | hi, how can i install google earth on lenny? |
| 03:07.57 | pyro2 | I read the same complaint about these systems time and time again before we invested |
| 03:08.04 | pyro2 | omg it's top loaded you can't do that |
| 03:08.10 | pyro2 | just because it's different, it doesn't mean it's wrong |
| 03:08.14 | jpinx-eeepc | magyar: wine? |
| 03:08.23 | pyro2 | there is no other way of getting that much storage for that price |
| 03:08.43 | pyro2 | and when you work with HD video as a startup company.....you'll do just about anything for cheap storage |
| 03:08.56 | pyro2 | so call it whatever you want marky. it works, and it works good |
| 03:08.59 | jpinx-eeepc | pyro2: I hear what you're saying, but it make physical maintenance really hard. |
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| 03:09.10 | pyro2 | that.... i can't deny :/ |
| 03:09.49 | pyro2 | so marky...still think i'm full of shit? |
| 03:10.05 | pyro2 | hope your reading the article. because i'm not |
| 03:10.22 | markybob | pyro2, i still think you're an idiot |
| 03:10.26 | lolufail | re omg nice, one from blackblaze |
| 03:10.36 | lolufail | I had almost all the parts ready to order :) |
| 03:10.44 | lolufail | wanted to build one myself from your howto :D |
| 03:10.45 | pyro2 | they're amazing |
| 03:10.53 | pyro2 | and no I don't work for backblaze |
| 03:10.59 | markybob | pyro2, putting together a system that you cant maintain is insanity |
| 03:11.09 | pyro2 | we just build several racks of their design....with a few modifications |
| 03:11.17 | pyro2 | marky of course we can maintain it |
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| 03:11.23 | pyro2 | I'm just not going to move it by myself |
| 03:11.32 | pyro2 | it's 10PM nobody is here right now |
| 03:12.04 | markybob | yes...right. no server in my datacenter is not fixable by the tech on duty. which one of us is brighter? |
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| 03:12.18 | pyro2 | you have mission critical applications we dont |
| 03:12.25 | pyro2 | how much do you spend to do that |
| 03:12.30 | pyro2 | we don't have a big budget |
| 03:12.30 | oh-hey | why is this channel moderated |
| 03:12.32 | lolufail | the cable plugging idea was just mine ;) maybe there's an easier way :D |
| 03:12.52 | pyro2 | you talk a big game but it's harder when you own the company and you have to save every penny |
| 03:12.58 | pyro2 | we have 7 of these on site, and 7 offsite |
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| 03:13.23 | pyro2 | I have to protect and store data for my company. with budget there really wasn't any other way |
| 03:13.24 | lolufail | pyro2: I feel ya ;) I had a 32tb server once, cost 1,8k euros per month |
| 03:13.26 | markybob | pyro2, i do own the company. i own dipconsultants.com |
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| 03:13.45 | pyro2 | well that's great that you have the resources to afford all of that |
| 03:13.47 | pyro2 | I don't |
| 03:13.47 | pyro2 | yet |
| 03:14.03 | pyro2 | I'd love to, but i'm just not making that kind of money yet |
| 03:14.23 | pyro2 | what I am making is terrabytes of videos that have to go somewhere |
| 03:14.31 | lolufail | you should build some acpi thing, so the machines shut down gracefully when on battery for more than 15 minutes :P |
| 03:14.43 | pyro2 | that is my next project |
| 03:15.40 | lolufail | pyro2: sry I'm out of ideas... livecd is what i'd try |
| 03:15.44 | lolufail | or pxe/whatever |
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| 03:16.20 | lolufail | try eject /dev/sda |
| 03:16.31 | lolufail | maybe it works ;) |
| 03:17.21 | oh-hey | just pxe boot the thing |
| 03:17.35 | pyro2 | pxe boot? |
| 03:18.08 | pyro2 | exactly how would that help? |
| 03:18.21 | oh-hey | pxe boot it in safe mode |
| 03:18.28 | lolufail | to be _sure_ the active OS isn't doing anything |
| 03:18.46 | pyro2 | i've never done that before, can you link me something to read? |
| 03:18.57 | lolufail | do you have access to the cd drive of the machine? |
| 03:19.03 | pyro2 | yea |
| 03:19.06 | lolufail | then that would be waaaay simpler |
| 03:19.13 | pyro2 | you mean livecd? |
| 03:19.16 | lolufail | yes |
| 03:19.18 | lolufail | same as pxe |
| 03:19.21 | pyro2 | i'll try that in a sec |
| 03:19.23 | lolufail | .. same result |
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| 03:20.01 | oh-hey | my mustache has its own tcp/ip stack |
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| 03:28.04 | jpinx-eeepc | pyro2: I've been reading some of the details of your system - interesting stuff ;) |
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| 03:48.49 | HellMind | I'm runing several game dedicated servers, but then they crash they consume 100% of a cpu |
| 03:48.49 | HellMind | How can I prevent this? |
| 03:49.00 | jmarsden | lolufail: Does't sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin --no-install-recommends # do what you want? |
| 03:49.51 | jmarsden | HellMind: Use game server software that lack bugs? :) You'd need to provide a lot more detail for anyone to give you a worthwhile answer to that question |
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| 03:51.32 | HellMind | I need a generic solution, I run servers of cod4 q3 l4d l4d2 |
| 03:51.58 | jmarsden | All of them crash in the same way and go to 100% CPU, independently, on different physical hardware? |
| 03:52.06 | HellMind | the clients upload mods so this can tilt the proc |
| 03:52.09 | lolufail | HellMind: define crash |
| 03:52.36 | HellMind | they stop responding ( network) but the cpu usage is max |
| 03:52.38 | Kazuha | HellMind: Don't allow clients to upload mods. |
| 03:52.55 | HellMind | clients needs that |
| 03:53.18 | lolufail | I feel the urge to charge you money for help |
| 03:53.28 | lolufail | somehow ;) |
| 03:53.31 | HellMind | maybe I should write a script to check if the server is awnsering and kill it if it doesnt |
| 03:53.39 | \amethyst | you can use nice to limit the CPU priority of the process, and ulimit to limit the amount of memory it can use |
| 03:54.12 | HellMind | well every server go the same cpu priority |
| 03:54.27 | HellMind | so when 1 uses 100% the others suffer |
| 03:54.35 | HellMind | they keep working but latency raises |
| 03:55.03 | oh-hey | just memlock your important processes so they cant be swapped out |
| 03:55.10 | \amethyst | yeah, a script like you suggest could work |
| 03:55.20 | Kazuha | I'm having an odd problem with Pidgin (on one of the systems on my network), it isn't connecting to MSN at all, but on this system it can without problems. |
| 03:55.43 | Kazuha | (Main difference is that this system has Testing, while the other one has Stable.) |
| 03:55.46 | lolufail | HellMind: if, with your client-count, the servers get to 100%, then your server isn't big enough. |
| 03:55.50 | lolufail | throw more hardware at it |
| 03:55.51 | jmarsden | Kazuha: Is the exact same version of Pidgin on both machines? Maybe an upgrade would help? |
| 03:56.20 | Kazuha | This one: 2.6.2 |
| 03:56.25 | lolufail | if you don't, and use renice or something like that, latency will rise as well |
| 03:56.41 | HellMind | lolufail the sever get 100% because its doing some shity loop |
| 03:57.12 | Kazuha | Other one 2.4.3. |
| 03:57.22 | lolufail | HellMind: when find out what exactly is causing the waste, with e.g. top |
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| 03:58.43 | HellMind | yeah right |
| 03:58.57 | HellMind | and explain that to the client |
| 03:59.15 | HellMind | I know whats is the process |
| 03:59.25 | HellMind | I know how to kill it |
| 03:59.42 | HellMind | bah you are a noob , and you are wasting my time, thank everyone but lolufail |
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| 04:00.19 | jmarsden | Kazuha: I think there was a recently fixed Pidgin bug related to that, but I don't remember the details I'm afraid... checking... maybe http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=545143 |
| 04:00.43 | Kazuha | The thing is, it *suddenly* stopped being able to connect *today*. |
| 04:01.03 | Kazuha | And, believe me -- she doesn't upgrade without me using a pitchfork. |
| 04:01.10 | oh-hey | Kazuha, just use tcpdump to see if it's a network anamoly |
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| 04:02.01 | Kazuha | Its *just* MSN -- she's not having any trouble connecting to AIM. |
| 04:03.08 | oh-hey | different ports, derp derp. tcpdump it |
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| 04:03.56 | gparent | Is there a syslogger enabled by default in debian? |
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| 04:05.05 | gparent | Nevermind! |
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| 04:11.02 | kazuha | Okay... |
| 04:11.07 | kazuha | THAT was weird. |
| 04:11.14 | kazuha | (Kernel-panic.) |
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| 04:11.34 | gyyg | what is a good utility for configuring iptables? |
| 04:11.53 | Hideo | iptables |
| 04:12.05 | kermit | bash |
| 04:12.37 | Tramp | gyyg: iptables is the user-space program to configure netfilter |
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| 04:13.32 | kazuha | Question: Why would a kernel panic while running tcpdump? |
| 04:15.20 | oh-hey | because youre doing it wrong |
| 04:15.37 | oh-hey | what parameters are you feeding it |
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| 04:18.19 | kazuha | No parameters. |
| 04:19.06 | jmarsden | "Doing it wrong" should not cause a kernel panic, unless "it" involves poking at kernelspace memory or something along those lines! |
| 04:21.33 | kazuha | More to the point -- I shouldn't *EVER* see the system seize up entirely from a parameter-less command. |
| 04:22.25 | jmarsden | kazuha: How sure are you that it really did? Did you check you coudn't ssh into it, for example, or use a different virtual console, etc... |
| 04:22.53 | jmarsden | Did you actually see kernel panic notification on the console? |
| 04:22.56 | kazuha | It became totally unresponsive to any form of input. |
| 04:23.06 | kazuha | And I was looking at an actual console. |
| 04:23.18 | jmarsden | That's not what most people call a kernel panic... |
| 04:23.39 | kazuha | Well, I got a tonne of output with an IRQ error. |
| 04:23.51 | kazuha | And totally unresponsive to any keypresses. |
| 04:24.14 | jmarsden | Can you pastebin the relevant chunk of error information somewhere so we can read it? |
| 04:24.46 | jmarsden | OR even a digital camera pic of the console screen, if that's all you could get? |
| 04:26.48 | oh-hey | i hacked your tcpdump |
| 04:26.49 | oh-hey | sorry about that |
| 04:28.19 | kazuha | I didn't think to take a picture of it before hitting the reset button. |
| 04:29.31 | jmarsden | kazuha: OK, well, then we can't debug that with you... you could try to cause it to happen again for us... :) |
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| 04:36.51 | iateadonut | is there a way to see the throughput of an ssh server? i mean, where many people are using the ssh server as a proxy, can you see what amount of bandwidth is tunneling through? |
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| 04:40.13 | gauge | yeah. try a bandwith monitor tool. |
| 04:40.19 | jmarsden | iateadonut: iotop or jnettop etc etc |
| 04:40.20 | gauge | iateadonut: like nload or slurm |
| 04:40.48 | gauge | iotop is a great one. thanks jmarsden |
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| 04:41.12 | jmarsden | You're welcome. |
| 04:44.56 | iateadonut | thank you for thanking gauge. |
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| 04:48.49 | confusid | Hi where are locks usually placed? if I started to edit a file and exit abruptly.. There still is a lock file? |
| 04:49.30 | jmarsden | confusid: Locks are usually placed on doors, to limit entry... oh, lock files :) Which editor are you using? |
| 04:49.42 | \amethyst | confusid: usually and editor would put them in the same directory as the file being edited |
| 04:49.50 | confusid | ty.. vi |
| 04:49.52 | confusid | :) |
| 04:50.01 | intx | are there known problems with xtables? |
| 04:50.21 | \amethyst | confusid: vim? the swapfile for "filename" is .filename.swp |
| 04:50.39 | confusid | ty |
| 04:50.52 | \amethyst | confusid: (it's not just a lock file, it can also be used to restore the file to the state when vim crashed) |
| 04:51.31 | \amethyst | confusid: :help swap-file in vim for more info |
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| 04:53.01 | qubits | hey guys |
| 04:53.06 | qubits | im not sur ehow this happened |
| 04:53.11 | qubits | but gcc cant be found, |
| 04:53.16 | qubits | i just reinstalled binutils too |
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| 04:53.31 | qubits | where should it be |
| 04:53.50 | jmarsden | confusid: for vim, just do vim -r and take it from there, usually... |
| 04:54.35 | jmarsden | qubits: dpkg -L gcc will list all files installed by the gcc package. |
| 04:55.06 | jmarsden | qubits: Note that gcc and binutils are two rather different things |
| 04:55.12 | qubits | i think i fixed it |
| 04:55.18 | qubits | it wasnt even installed i guess |
| 04:55.28 | qubits | security measure by the coadmin im guessing |
| 04:56.08 | jmarsden | OK, good. That would explain why you couldn't find it :) |
| 04:56.16 | qiyong | i want to setup ftp IP restriction per User. how can I do that? |
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| 04:57.03 | jmarsden | qiyong: You can't. You don't know which user is trying to connect until after the connection is made and they log in :) |
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| 05:00.25 | gauge | jmarsden: what if he made a whitelist? |
| 05:01.59 | jmarsden | gauge: Then it would apply to all FTP users... he asked for "ftp IP restriction per User". I suppose you could theoretically let them connect and log in and *then* do something custom and kill their session if it is from an IP not designated as OK for that user... |
| 05:02.30 | pyro2 | is it normal to have really slow syncing when building software raid 6s? |
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| 05:02.49 | gauge | your right jmarsden, I just wanted to toss the idea out there. |
| 05:02.54 | pyro2 | each raid is syncing at ~16MBps |
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| 05:04.24 | jmarsden | pyro2: I think you're on the bleeding edge there, Software RAID6... but it wouldn't surprise me if it needs significant CPU to do the parity computations for that. Does it seem to be CPU-bound? |
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| 05:05.18 | confusid | I'm using gkrellm and it say's 3 users under CPU... How do I see who is loged in? |
| 05:05.34 | pyro2 | no not really, the cpu is only runing at ~80% of 4 cores |
| 05:05.55 | slidesinger | Having some trouble with tftpd-hpa. Server is running. No firewall. Temporarily assigned chmod 777 to /var/lib/tftpboot. Anyone have other ideas? |
| 05:05.56 | jmarsden | confusid: The who command will help with that. |
| 05:06.12 | pyro2 | I wonder if mdadm is limited to 1 core |
| 05:06.33 | jmarsden | pyro2: Could well be single threaded, yes. |
| 05:06.36 | confusid | jmarsden lol..ty.. seems every term I have open is registerd.. ty!! |
| 05:06.37 | pyro2 | damn |
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| 05:07.03 | pyro2 | each raid is going to be ~7TB so it's going to take awhile |
| 05:07.17 | pyro2 | I didn't notice the build speed on the other boxes because I did them over the weekend |
| 05:07.21 | jmarsden | I'll say... go on vacation, it'll be there when you come back :) |
| 05:07.34 | pyro2 | took less than 2 days the first time |
| 05:07.39 | pyro2 | so...guess I'll just wait |
| 05:07.41 | pyro2 | :( |
| 05:07.55 | pyro2 | here's another question |
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| 05:08.25 | pyro2 | when a drive dies and I have to rebuild the array, will it be maxed at 16 like it is now, or is it only 16MBps now because I'm building 6 arrays? |
| 05:08.51 | jmarsden | pyro2: I suspect that's because you are doing 16 at once. |
| 05:09.16 | jmarsden | Are the 16 arrays on different physical sets of drives? |
| 05:09.17 | iateadonut | plays taps |
| 05:09.36 | pyro2 | yeap |
| 05:09.51 | pyro2 | and it's 6 arrays, 6 drives each |
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| 05:10.30 | pyro2 | er sorry 7 arrrays |
| 05:10.46 | slidesinger | Can also ping bi-directionally between the two devices in question. |
| 05:11.31 | jmarsden | slidesinger: Can you tftp to localhost on the server and get that to work? CAn you use tcpdump to watch the TFTP traffic? |
| 05:12.05 | slidesinger | Two good ideas. I'll try it. |
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| 05:13.02 | K`zan | Problem with a fair chunk of stuff I need to install, I get this: "overlayeditor: Depends: python-opengl (< 3) but 3.0.0~b6-3 is to be installed" and that is all there is for that package. Googled with nothing found :-(, any suggestions much appreciated! |
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| 05:15.26 | jmarsden | K`zan: Find a place to download the older python-opengl from, download it, install it, then try to apt-get overlayeditor ? Are both of those official Debian packages? |
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| 05:17.03 | K`zan | jmarsden: Yes, ANY dial up terminal fails on this and there are other things too :-(. |
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| 05:17.11 | qubits | hey |
| 05:17.13 | qubits | another issue |
| 05:17.41 | qubits | tcl and tcllib are installed |
| 05:17.42 | K`zan | jmarsden: Do they keep old packages someplace? |
| 05:17.52 | qubits | but libtcl.so isnt to be found |
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| 05:17.54 | jmarsden | K`zan: packages.debian.org cannot find a package called overlayeditor .. so I don't think that's an official Debian package, is it? |
| 05:18.17 | SuperMiguel | is there a nas monitoring tool? generic one? |
| 05:18.20 | fisxoj | hi, can someone tell me where dpkg-divert puts the things it's diverted? I want to get at the mesa libGL, even thought I have fglrx installed |
| 05:18.24 | K`zan | jmarsden: This comes up when I try to install cutecom, minicom or gtkterm... |
| 05:18.36 | peter_12 | in sources.list do I put file:///home/code/apt or do I put file:/home/code/apt with only one leading slash? |
| 05:18.42 | qubits | jmarsden |
| 05:18.50 | qubits | how so i show installed files by a package again |
| 05:18.59 | jmarsden | K`zan: minicom depends on python-opengl ? I don't think so. |
| 05:19.13 | jmarsden | qubits: dpkg -L PACKAGENAME |
| 05:19.22 | K`zan | jmarsden: Apparently so, hold a sec. |
| 05:19.39 | qubits | just shows folders |
| 05:20.14 | jmarsden | K`zan: No, see http://packages.debian.org/sid/minicom for the dependencies of minicom... |
| 05:20.17 | K`zan | jmarsden: I see what is happening now, no that isn't and apparently kills anything I attempt to install. |
| 05:20.44 | jmarsden | K`zan: So fix your package database and then all may improve. apt-get -f install # might be a start ? |
| 05:21.00 | K`zan | deleting the overlay thing. |
| 05:21.59 | K`zan | jmarsden: Thanks for getting me unconfused, took care of the problem. MUCH appreciated! |
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| 05:22.02 | jmarsden | qubits: Try installing libtcl-dev |
| 05:22.08 | jmarsden | K`zan: No problem :) |
| 05:22.46 | qubits | k duh |
| 05:22.55 | qubits | was missing tcl8.5-dev |
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| 05:23.56 | qiyong | jmarsden: how to do that? let them log in then kill? |
| 05:24.27 | jmarsden | qiyong: I don't know, it would take some custom coding as far as I know. |
| 05:24.36 | qubits | yay |
| 05:24.37 | qubits | compiling |
| 05:24.44 | SuperMiguel | any reason why sh wouldnt work? |
| 05:25.42 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: Language chosen for the coding is not relevant, the point is only that coding would be needed. |
| 05:26.52 | SuperMiguel | all the script says is ./pi $1 |
| 05:27.22 | SuperMiguel | when i run it i get super_pi: line 1: ./pi: No such file or directory |
| 05:27.43 | SuperMiguel | but ./pi is there.. :S |
| 05:28.48 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: Is ./pi a normal file, and is it executable ? |
| 05:29.09 | SuperMiguel | a module |
| 05:29.12 | peter_12 | is "apt-file search" supposed to search all the repositories in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 05:29.50 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: That doesn't answer my questions: is it a normal file, and is it executable? :) Also, if ./pi is a script, what is its first line? |
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| 05:30.15 | SuperMiguel | jmarsden ftp://pi.super-computing.org/Linux/super_pi.tar.gz |
| 05:31.04 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: No, if you are not willing to do the basics, I am not willing to download who knows what from a tarball to check it out... answer my questions if you want the dialog to continue. |
| 05:32.43 | SuperMiguel | yes pi is an executable |
| 05:33.09 | zinx | pie is delicious |
| 05:33.13 | jmarsden | peter_12: Only after running apt-file update. man apt-file for all the details. |
| 05:33.23 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: Ok, what does file ./pi output? |
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| 05:33.56 | SuperMiguel | thats the thing, when i do ls i see the file there, when i do ./pi says no suck file or directory |
| 05:34.02 | peter_12 | jmarsden: yes i did "apt-file update" I'm getting an error message "Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/lenny/updates/Contents-i386.gz" |
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| 05:35.25 | SuperMiguel | jmarsden, actually it seems like pi is a binary |
| 05:35.30 | jmarsden | peter_12: Sounds like a connectivity or sources.list entry issue... does apt-get update work with no errors |
| 05:35.39 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: What exactly does file ./pi output ? |
| 05:35.53 | peter_12 | jmarsden: well it looks like that file doesn't even exist on the server |
| 05:36.02 | SuperMiguel | jmarsden, bash: ./pi: No such file or directory |
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| 05:36.14 | peter_12 | I have "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" in sources.list. I didn't add that line |
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| 05:36.53 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: What does ls -ld ./pi output ? |
| 05:37.51 | fisxoj | can someone help me with dpkg-divert? Can I have two different diversions of a file for two different packages? |
| 05:38.19 | jmarsden | peter_12: You are right, that Contents-i386.gz file is not there at that URL. |
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| 05:38.27 | SuperMiguel | -rwxr-xr-x 1 miguel miguel 255408 2003-09-26 11:28 ./pi |
| 05:38.49 | peter_12 | jmarsden: isn't that a little odd that a stock Lenny comes with that then? What to do? |
| 05:38.54 | jmarsden | fisxoj: Well, not at the same time, as far as I know... |
| 05:39.04 | brutus | i686 means 64 bit right? |
| 05:39.23 | jmarsden | peter_12: Yes, a little... for now you could comment out the line and do apt-get update and apt-file update and then uncomment it and apt-get update again?? |
| 05:39.42 | peter_12 | jmarsden: you read my mind :-) I just did that. |
| 05:39.43 | peter_12 | still |
| 05:39.45 | peter_12 | strange |
| 05:39.47 | jmarsden | brutus: No. i686 means a recent 32bit Intel x86 CPU |
| 05:39.56 | SuperMiguel | jmarsden, when i do string pi, the first line is /lib/ld-linux.so.2 __gmon_start__ libm.so.6 floor libc.so.6 putchar |
| 05:40.14 | brutus | jmarsden, then what is i386? |
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| 05:40.28 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: So it appears to be an executable. |
| 05:41.08 | jmarsden | brutus: An earlier 32bit Intel architecture/instruction set. You can use Google or wikipedia for this kind of question, btw, and get better info than I can provide in IRC... |
| 05:41.29 | SuperMiguel | jmarsden, any idea what the problem could be? do i need to install something? |
| 05:41.34 | brutus | jmarsden, ok, thanks |
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| 05:42.28 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: Are you sure file ./pi does not tell you pi is some sort of executable ? Sounds like pi is not really in your current directory, or something like that? |
| 05:42.42 | TiMiDO | hey can someone tell me how to enable java for apache? |
| 05:43.43 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: Actually type the command file ./pi |
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| 05:44.10 | jmarsden | TiMiDO: There is a way to do server-side Java in apache? Wouldn't use be more likely to use Tomcat for something like that? |
| 05:44.21 | SuperMiguel | jmarsden, well there are 2 files one named super_pi and the other named pi... inside super_pi it only says: ./pi $1 |
| 05:44.25 | TiMiDO | jmarsden, i want to create a java application on my server |
| 05:44.28 | TiMiDO | it's a webcam |
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| 05:44.35 | SuperMiguel | file ./pi = ./pi: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, stripped |
| 05:44.43 | TiMiDO | and when i go to the link of where the file is it's just tell me if i want to download it |
| 05:44.45 | TiMiDO | and that's it |
| 05:45.26 | TiMiDO | *webchat |
| 05:45.42 | jmarsden | TiMiDO: Do you want the java to run on the server PC as a CGI script, or something like that? I'm not sure what you are really trying to do... |
| 05:46.05 | TiMiDO | jmarsden, i'm trying to view my web chat on my firefox with the link but i can't |
| 05:46.14 | TiMiDO | since java it's not enable i guess on apache2 |
| 05:46.21 | TiMiDO | and it just asked me if i want to save the file |
| 05:47.24 | SuperMiguel | jmarsden, any idea? |
| 05:47.48 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: That pi executable is broken. |
| 05:48.06 | TiMiDO | u understand me now jmarsden ? |
| 05:48.42 | jmarsden | TiMiDO: Is the webcam attached to the server computer, or to the computer that is running firefox? |
| 05:49.00 | TiMiDO | NOPE jmarsden im trying to run a java application on my apache server |
| 05:49.07 | TiMiDO | but i cannot view my web chat |
| 05:49.14 | TiMiDO | since java it's not install on apache |
| 05:49.28 | brutus | jmarsden, will the i386 google chrome work on i686? |
| 05:49.45 | jmarsden | TiMiDO: "my web chat" ? What web chat? Where did you get this "java application" from? |
| 05:49.49 | jmarsden | brutus: Yes. |
| 05:49.58 | TiMiDO | I've made it |
| 05:50.00 | brutus | jmarsden, bug free? |
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| 05:50.32 | jmarsden | brutus: Yes, all i686 processors can run i386 instructions. i686 is just a later generation of the same kind of CPU, if you like. |
| 05:50.50 | jmarsden | bug free? is Chrome bug-free? I doubt that. |
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| 05:51.23 | brutus | jmarsden, no..i meant bugs arising from i386/686 difference |
| 05:51.36 | brutus | thanks, you answered that |
| 05:51.39 | jmarsden | TiMiDO: I'm not really understanding you very well here. Is the Java app you wrote intended to act as a CGI script, or as a java applet on the client machine, or what? |
| 05:52.04 | TiMiDO | as a java applet jmarsden |
| 05:53.34 | TiMiDO | u get me now jmarsden |
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| 05:54.55 | jmarsden | TiMiDO: I think so. So you want the browser to download and run that Java applet, on the client PC, the desktop machine. I think you should just embed it into an HTML page... so the browser knows what to do with it. Is that what you are already doing? |
| 05:55.19 | TiMiDO | nope i want the webchat to run on my apache server |
| 05:55.31 | franki^ | has anyone else had problems with gnome-power-manager since the last updates? (yesterday or the day before) it doesn't suspend my laptop when i close the lid any more :( |
| 05:55.44 | franki^ | and, yes, the settings do specify that it should |
| 05:56.15 | jmarsden | TiMiDO: So you coded the Java as a CGI script? or as what? |
| 05:56.26 | TiMiDO | that's how i want |
| 05:56.39 | TiMiDO | i want my script to be view on the same browser |
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| 05:58.15 | jmarsden | TiMiDO: Be clear, is the code you wrote going to be run (executed) on the server, as a CGI, or on the client, as an applet? You can't tell me both things at once! You have said: <TiMiDO> as a java applet and also <jmarsden> TiMiDO: So you coded the Java as a CGI script? or as what? <TiMiDO> that's how i want |
| 05:58.37 | TiMiDO | executed it on the server |
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| 05:59.55 | jmarsden | TiMiDO: So treat it like any other CGI, put it in /cgi-bin or a director which you have specified can contain CGI scripts, and it should run like any other CGI script, CIs can be written in any langauge at all. |
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| 06:02.48 | gyyg | boy, iptables was a lot easier than I thought |
| 06:03.02 | seeS | can't you just call it myscript.cgi and have #!/usr/bin/java/whatever as the first line |
| 06:03.30 | seeS | gyyg: try configuring other sorts of access control things like some firewalls and then you'll REALLY appreciate iptables |
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| 06:06.36 | gyyg | i had heard mention of chains, and thought it would be confusing, but the chain just refers to how it filters down through the chain of rules right? |
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| 06:08.43 | seeS | yes |
| 06:08.59 | seeS | its a chain of rules and you can jump over to other chains |
| 06:09.12 | gyyg | how so? |
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| 06:10.54 | seeS | iptables -A INPUT -j MYTABLE |
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| 06:12.05 | seeS | So you might not want people from certain IP addresses to connect to your mailserver. You stick a whole lot of rejects in a table matching IP |
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| 06:12.26 | seeS | and then have one rule in your main table matching -p tcp --syn --dport 25 |
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| 06:13.34 | ndowens | I dont understand this. During install of debian testing with the netinstall cd, both my wireless and wired gets detected, but after the install is done and I reboot, neither is detected and I tried modprobe MODULEs |
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| 06:16.02 | gyyg | I entered this because my isp blocks port 80 |
| 06:16.04 | gyyg | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp --dport 8082 -j REDIRECT --to-port 80 |
| 06:16.26 | gyyg | now locally though, port 80 no longer works |
| 06:16.38 | seeS | locally? as in what? |
| 06:16.38 | gyyg | do i need to add another one for port 80? |
| 06:16.48 | seeS | localhost? local lan? |
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| 06:17.08 | gyyg | so that both 80 and 8082 will be directed towards 80? |
| 06:17.10 | gyyg | lan |
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| 06:17.16 | gyyg | i have not tried localhost |
| 06:17.21 | seeS | i'd put a few rules in |
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| 06:17.41 | ndowens | Any idea, it is weird problem |
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| 06:18.54 | seeS | you see everything is getting that treatment |
| 06:18.59 | seeS | so put 2 rules in front of it |
| 06:19.08 | seeS | if it comes from loopback interface then just permit it |
| 06:19.16 | seeS | if it comes from your local lan, then just permit it |
| 06:19.19 | seeS | then your line |
| 06:19.34 | Kazuha | Okay.... |
| 06:19.50 | Kazuha | Its *NOT* 'parameters'. |
| 06:21.24 | Kazuha | Based on my tests, I think there's a bug. In the kernel. |
| 06:22.36 | Kazuha | Summary: In 2.6.30 (and 2.6.31) kernels, (but not 2.6.24), running tcpdump without any parameters, and a USB storage device connected, causes the system to freeze. Requiring a hard reset. |
| 06:23.09 | jmarsden | Kazuha: How many different machines did you test this theory on? |
| 06:23.15 | Kazuha | One. |
| 06:23.23 | Kazuha | With all three different kernels. |
| 06:23.23 | seeS | let's try it on mine! |
| 06:23.36 | Kazuha | And every USB device I could find. |
| 06:23.41 | seeS | usb device? |
| 06:23.48 | jmarsden | I just tried it here, no hang. |
| 06:23.55 | seeS | like just some sort of usb key thing? |
| 06:24.11 | Kazuha | My card reader, my portable player, my camera, my dvd-burner. |
| 06:24.28 | Kazuha | With a 2.6.30 or 2.6.31 kernel? |
| 06:24.36 | jmarsden | Yes. |
| 06:24.37 | Kazuha | (AMD64) |
| 06:24.40 | jmarsden | Yes. |
| 06:24.55 | seeS | ah, i dont have an amd64 :( (yet) |
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| 06:25.07 | Kazuha | Strange -- it extremely reliably crashed running tcpdump. |
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| 06:45.58 | Kazuha | For example: My root partition is /dev/sda1. Its variously been /dev/hdb2 among several others. |
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| 06:47.22 | ansumon | kazuha, how can i know which is the partition number. does the drive position indicate, in which drive the iso is mounted? |
| 06:48.20 | Kazuha | If you've successfully installed, when you try to boot and you're getting an error like the one you describe -- its *possibly* that the system doesn't know where to check for root. |
| 06:48.52 | ansumon | kazuha, so where shud i enter this |
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| 06:49.51 | Kazuha | With lilo, you can enter this at the start, I'm not sure how to pass the options in grub. (Which is used by newer (including Etch) versions). |
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| 06:50.29 | ansumon | ok, thanks kazuha, i will try to install it again |
| 06:50.45 | ansumon | kazuha, do u know how to install using a usb drive |
| 06:50.48 | Kazuha | If you're getting that error, most likely you've successfully installed it. |
| 06:51.39 | Kazuha | Assuming that you can get it to recognize the USB drive to boot -- like with the MSOS install CD, then it should work just fine for Debian. |
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| 06:52.41 | Kazuha | I've never tried to boot using my external drive -- but I think it (shouldn't) be overly different from booting from my internal. |
| 06:54.22 | ansumon | kazuha, i dint start installing debian, it just rebooted to start install, where it failed |
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| 06:55.15 | Kazuha | Okay... now I'm confused. How would one use Daemon tools to hold a 'drive' mounted across a reboot? |
| 06:55.32 | ansumon | yes, thats what i was trying to say :) |
| 06:55.52 | Kazuha | I'm pretty sure *that* isn't exactly possible. |
| 06:56.11 | ansumon | kazuha, i tried doin it directly after unziping, it didnt work |
| 06:56.16 | Kazuha | Well, I should say, "that's probably well outside of *doable* for Daemon tools". |
| 06:56.18 | ansumon | so didnt know what to do |
| 06:57.14 | Kazuha | Is this a laptop? (If its just a desktop, you could just move your external drive inside.) |
| 06:57.25 | ansumon | yes , its a laptop |
| 06:58.28 | Kazuha | I think (not sure), depending on your BIOS, you can set it to boot from other devices -- including external ones. |
| 06:58.55 | ansumon | kazuha, my bios supports usb installation |
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| 06:59.01 | ansumon | usb booting |
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| 06:59.16 | Kazuha | Then, you just burn the disk, and boot from it. It *should* work. |
| 06:59.18 | seeS | is the usb drive just holding linux? |
| 06:59.29 | ansumon | yes |
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| 07:00.07 | oOarthurOo | Hi... I'm running xfce and trying to disable tooltips. I've found one post on one forum for slackware 12 saying it's possible by adding a line to the gtkrc fine in ~/. I haven't been able to get this to work, and no answer from #xfce or #gtk++ either. Hoping for some debian love. |
| 07:00.08 | ansumon | I tried using usb installation, it starting installation, but in the menu, from where we choose mode of installation, it asks for cd/dvd media |
| 07:00.13 | seeS | then, assuming that the bios supports booting off it it should just look like a normal drive |
| 07:00.35 | ansumon | seeS, but it asks cd/dvd media |
| 07:00.44 | seeS | why does it do that? |
| 07:00.56 | seeS | i thought it asked you what you wanted to do |
| 07:00.59 | ansumon | seeS, dont know, i used unetbootin |
| 07:01.02 | seeS | ie http, ftp or cd |
| 07:01.03 | Kazuha | Is the external a dvd/cd drive? |
| 07:01.16 | ansumon | dvd |
| 07:01.42 | cld0 | I want to change my version of libcurl installed to 7.18.0, but when I install libcurl in debian etch it installs 7.15.5. Do I need to distupgrade to lenny? |
| 07:01.44 | ansumon | seeS, i was trying to boot installation using a dvd iso |
| 07:01.56 | ansumon | from usb |
| 07:02.05 | seeS | ansumon: so it boots off the DVD ok? |
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| 07:03.16 | ansumon | seeS, sorry for confusing, now, i am talking abt usb installation, i used unetbootin to make my usb to boot debian installation. the iso i used to create usb installation was a dvd iso |
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| 07:05.38 | seeS | ansumon:so you fired up unetbootin, pointed it to your disk image and the usb drive as the target |
| 07:05.55 | ansumon | seeS, yes |
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| 07:06.48 | seeS | ansumon: and you can boot off that drive ok but then... what? |
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| 07:07.47 | cydork | ansumon, afaik i don't think that copying dvd will work.. can you try it with a cd image (netinstall or businesscard one) |
| 07:08.01 | seeS | yeah its what im thinking |
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| 07:08.12 | oOarthurOo | cld0, I don't think so. You could add the Lenny repositories to your etc/apt/sources list but set them at a lower priority (run and update immediately after making changes to confirm it doesn't want to upgrade anything. Then just apt-get install but tell apt to install from the Lenny repo for that one package. There's posts on forums.debian.net that explain all fot his in great detail. |
| 07:08.32 | ansumon | after booting, and choosing language( i guess), there comes a menu, from where we choose rescue mode or installation types, etc. there after choosing normal installation, it says it cant find cd/dvd media |
| 07:08.46 | seeS | yeah ok, i see the problem |
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| 07:08.56 | seeS | its a dvd image but now its a usb drive |
| 07:09.17 | seeS | do you have a DVD drive too? does it recognise it? |
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| 07:09.46 | ansumon | seeS, but the installation over internet is not an option for me as my internet is not stable and its slow too |
| 07:10.35 | Kazuha | By 'slow' do you mean 'dial-up'? Or do you mean '100 kb/s'? |
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| 07:10.47 | ansumon | seeS, my dvd drive acts weird, it doesnt read dvds, all dvd shows free space, while the dvd works fine in other systems |
| 07:10.59 | ansumon | dial-up like |
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| 07:13.13 | seeS | cant you specify where to look for the image? |
| 07:14.12 | ansumon | seeS, i downloaded an iso , an used unetbootin, i am not an expert so i couldnt specify the iso location. :( |
| 07:14.59 | seeS | its been a while since ive used d-i but i thought you could say look for the files "over there" eg a different device |
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| 07:15.34 | ansumon | seeS, could u give an example command |
| 07:15.56 | aurele | man man |
| 07:16.39 | seeS | ha! that' an example |
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| 07:16.59 | seeS | ok, do you have another usb drive? it seems it will look for .iso files |
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| 07:17.10 | ansumon | yes |
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| 07:18.36 | seeS | put the iso image on another drive |
| 07:18.49 | ansumon | ok, then.. |
| 07:18.52 | seeS | you may need to switch to ther f4 screen to mount it |
| 07:19.15 | seeS | its real fiddly at this point because its not a fully running system and you're probably confusing it |
| 07:19.31 | ansumon | ok, what command shud i use |
| 07:19.54 | seeS | mkdir /mnt |
| 07:20.03 | seeS | mount /dev/sd(something) /mnt |
| 07:20.15 | seeS | then ls /mnt should show whatever.iso |
| 07:21.35 | ansumon | ok, thanks seeS |
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| 07:22.15 | seeS | good luck, the device name may change depending. with my computer and usb devices it would be /dev/sdb1 |
| 07:22.23 | ansumon | I will try it, will just mounting work. How will i show the installation u have to look here |
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| 07:23.06 | seeS | it will scan for it |
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| 07:23.32 | ansumon | ok thanks seeS, i see u after installation :) |
| 07:23.45 | ansumon | thanks kazuha for ur help |
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| 07:44.15 | kharloss | hi there. i have a counter strike server, i usually use "./hlds_run -game yyyy " to initialize it, but I found something strange ; after ps -aux | grep hlds appear something like this "./hlds_amd -game cstrike -autoupdate -secure +exec server.cfg +ip 86.121.126.15 +port 27015 +maxplayers 20 +map de_dust2 " problem ofcourse is .. my server is Intel based ... any sugestion ? |
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| 07:51.16 | seeS | what is the problem with that lkarloss |
| 07:51.33 | seeS | ah, thats its _amd |
| 07:51.34 | seeS | ? |
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| 07:52.50 | kharloss | http://pastebin.com/m14e48c95 seeS |
| 07:53.37 | kharloss | hlds_run is a script checking my proc and start with suggested binnary |
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| 07:54.40 | seeS | kharloss: what does grep "cpu family" /proc/cpuinfo say? |
| 07:55.05 | kharloss | cpu family : 15 |
| 07:56.02 | seeS | line 235 ish says you use the amd binary |
| 07:56.16 | blast_hardcheese | This just in: EXT3 sucks horrible amounts of ass. |
| 07:57.01 | jaallen | I agree |
| 07:57.12 | rvalles | so does ext4 |
| 07:57.14 | rvalles | and all exts |
| 07:57.15 | blast_hardcheese | What a steaming pile. |
| 07:57.34 | rvalles | tree-based FSs are better |
| 07:57.34 | blast_hardcheese | Taking recommendations for a good filesystem to put on a netbook |
| 07:57.41 | rvalles | (generally b-tree) |
| 07:57.55 | seeS | kharloss: are you getting some problem or wondering why it is amd binary? |
| 07:58.03 | blast_hardcheese | I've got an IBM ThinkPad x40 that I'd like to swap the filesystem on, |
| 07:58.13 | blast_hardcheese | ext3 likes to fsck in the worst possible times. |
| 07:58.18 | kharloss | seeS actually is working bad |
| 07:58.45 | jaallen | journal fails is usually why, one wrong bit |
| 07:58.56 | seeS | hmm, my Intel has model 6 |
| 07:59.04 | blast_hardcheese | jaallen: Nah, just "mounted 21 times, check forced" |
| 07:59.06 | seeS | so, its an intel chipset? |
| 07:59.16 | blast_hardcheese | I'd like something more like xfs |
| 07:59.16 | jaallen | laptops will pul a bit quite frequently from being, well, mobile... |
| 07:59.28 | Trewas | blast_hardcheese: so disable those fscks (tune2fs with option -c 0) |
| 07:59.39 | jaallen | blast, that would do it, lol |
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| 08:00.00 | blast_hardcheese | Trewas: Something I'm not quite used to, (coming from OSX), you can't fsck EXT3 while it's mounted |
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| 08:00.11 | blast_hardcheese | How do you fsck your root drive ever then? |
| 08:00.23 | jaallen | single user |
| 08:00.24 | seeS | kharloss: just tell it to use the i686 binary on the command line |
| 08:00.39 | blast_hardcheese | I thought this was only when it was mounted rw, so I remounted ro and fsck'd, it TOTALLY trashed my root filesystem. |
| 08:01.24 | blast_hardcheese | jaallen: Linux is the system you "never have to reboot!"(tm), There's no way to do it without rebooting? |
| 08:01.33 | jaallen | I so have to lurk on #POSIX sux |
| 08:01.38 | jaallen | heh |
| 08:01.38 | vaq | How do I autoupdate mdadm.conf ? |
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| 08:01.44 | Trewas | blast_hardcheese: why do you need to fsck it? with journaled filesystem there is usually no need to |
| 08:01.58 | jaallen | wonder |
| 08:02.02 | blast_hardcheese | Trewas: If there's suspected filesystem issues |
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| 08:03.03 | Trewas | blast_hardcheese: creating empty file /forcefsck btw should force fsck on next boot |
| 08:03.06 | blast_hardcheese | Once again, I'm coming from OSX; If my machine is running a bit weird, I'll fsck and sometimes there'll be a problem, it gets fixed, I reboot; Other times there are no problems, I do process cleanup, etc. |
| 08:03.10 | Trewas | never had to try that one though |
| 08:03.19 | jaallen | not that I know of. Pleeeze, I use macos and debian, and even with a next linage, we still have to boot single user 9macosx calls it the install disk, look under the hood...) to fsck |
| 08:03.19 | blast_hardcheese | Bleugh |
| 08:03.22 | jaallen | the root |
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| 08:03.46 | blast_hardcheese | jaallen: Huh? |
| 08:03.47 | jaallen | its all sh$t |
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| 08:04.14 | blast_hardcheese | Yeah, I run OSX and Debian. They both have their strengths and weaknesses |
| 08:04.25 | blast_hardcheese | this is one weakness I'd like to get over on Debian's side |
| 08:04.55 | jaallen | I do alot of gnustep stuff as a hobby, and man, worst is FreeBSD for anything kept current |
| 08:04.58 | seeS | i dont know if id fully trust a fsck in that case |
| 08:05.19 | jaallen | at least on Debians side, they do keep gnustep current and the frameworks working |
| 08:05.43 | jaallen | as for xfs, yeah, I hear your pain |
| 08:06.24 | jaallen | hey, you could go for opensolaris and that new backup enabled filesystem.... |
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| 08:07.06 | jaallen | ZFS i think it is |
| 08:07.11 | jaallen | SLOWWWW |
| 08:07.15 | jaallen | hehe |
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| 08:07.41 | Mendocinox | Hosanna bruderz |
| 08:08.42 | blast_hardcheese | In the mean time, my 3TB mdadm'd RAID is trying to rebuild itself :\ |
| 08:08.50 | blast_hardcheese | 21% complete after working for 22 hours |
| 08:09.11 | joltcan | blast_hardcheese: Eww, that sloooow |
| 08:09.20 | jaallen | really slow |
| 08:09.26 | joltcan | blast_hardcheese: have set maximum raid rebuild speed btw? |
| 08:09.30 | jaallen | but 3 tb is also big |
| 08:09.41 | blast_hardcheese | joltcan: Nope, I don't know what that is |
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| 08:09.48 | blast_hardcheese | I assumed it was doing it as best it could |
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| 08:10.54 | joltcan | blast_hardcheese: /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min and _max |
| 08:11.13 | joltcan | don't know if they are set high by default these days or not |
| 08:11.18 | blast_hardcheese | (also, \o/, I put together an /etc/network/interfaces hack that auto-connects wpa_supplicant, but only near my AP) |
| 08:12.08 | blast_hardcheese | joltcan: 1000 - 200000, min/max |
| 08:12.16 | omes | blast_hardcheese: hooray, thats like 2 lines of code... |
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| 08:13.00 | blast_hardcheese | omes: Is there an official way to do it? I wrote a shell script and hooked it into pre-up on a virtual interface so it wouldn't affect my normal interface usage |
| 08:13.19 | iateadonut | Ttl: 25451.07 MByte - in nstat, there's a figure like that, 25GB... what does that refer to, the total amount of up/download bytes since the server has been last turned on? or since the eth0 interface has last gone up? |
| 08:13.38 | omes | blast_hardcheese: tp://pastie.org/738600 |
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| 08:13.56 | omes | substitute eth1 for your interface |
| 08:14.22 | blast_hardcheese | I don't want wpa-supplicant to even start if there isn't a network around though. |
| 08:15.06 | blast_hardcheese | joltcan: Are those sane values? |
| 08:15.14 | omes | blast_hardcheese: if that essid isnt around it wont |
| 08:16.11 | blast_hardcheese | Oh; but then wpa-supplicant won't scan if I bring it up manually; I guess I'd make an alias "home" and have that auto-up with those values |
| 08:16.12 | blast_hardcheese | ? |
| 08:16.22 | blast_hardcheese | (I'm not sure, that was a question) |
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| 08:16.41 | omes | blast_hardcheese: bring it up manually? |
| 08:16.49 | omes | what do you mean by "manually"? |
| 08:16.58 | blast_hardcheese | ifup eth1 |
| 08:17.08 | omes | of course it will |
| 08:18.47 | blast_hardcheese | omes: You seem to know more about this than I do; I am specifying wpa-conf /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and wpa-driver wext in my iface block, |
| 08:19.21 | omes | i think that is the default conf |
| 08:19.30 | blast_hardcheese | Without that it doesn't work :\ |
| 08:19.36 | blast_hardcheese | couldn't figure out where the default info was stored |
| 08:19.40 | joltcan | blast_hardcheese: set max to 500000 |
| 08:19.54 | joltcan | blast_hardcheese: it does depend on the hardware, but it's worth a shot |
| 08:20.03 | blast_hardcheese | joltcan: What does that do? I've got mixed SATA and IDE drives |
| 08:20.04 | joltcan | blast_hardcheese: it won't break anything |
| 08:20.07 | omes | blast_hardcheese: /etc/dbus-1/system.d/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 08:20.12 | omes | apt-file said thats where it is, hehe |
| 08:20.21 | blast_hardcheese | o_O |
| 08:20.40 | blast_hardcheese | woah, xml conf |
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| 08:55.53 | dpkg | crushes themill with a whip |
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| 08:56.14 | SilentKillzR | http://undeadnetwork.com/signup.php <- torrenters check this out, we need uploaders, anyone with the knowledge, and upload speed we need you! |
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| 09:01.57 | sugar | !eat ikonia's brain |
| 09:01.57 | dpkg | eats ikonia's brain, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 09:02.25 | sugar | !slap ikonia face |
| 09:02.25 | dpkg | strikes a resounding *THWAP* across ikonia face's face |
| 09:02.57 | sugar | ls |
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| 09:05.15 | asmodeus_ | !kill sugar |
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| 09:05.31 | babilen | asmodeus_: do you have a debian related question? |
| 09:05.39 | asmodeus_ | !wave sugar |
| 09:05.39 | dpkg | waves at sugar |
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| 09:05.59 | asmodeus_ | !wave subir |
| 09:05.59 | dpkg | waves at subir |
| 09:06.04 | babilen | asmodeus_: please stop abusing the bot |
| 09:06.12 | sugar | babilen: bot is a bot |
| 09:06.16 | sugar | babilen: u r not a bot |
| 09:06.34 | sugar | no matter what u say |
| 09:06.38 | babilen | sugar: /query or /msg it if you have to |
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| 09:07.32 | babilen | sugar: there is absolutely *NO* need to do this in the channel. And I can even see no reason to do what you are doing at all |
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| 09:08.06 | Kazuha | Probably... to get attention. |
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| 09:08.35 | babilen | hands SubZero_ a bunch of attention flowers ... |
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| 09:08.56 | babilen | ^^^ sugar :-\ |
| 09:09.06 | Kazuha | I'll leave all speculation about their age, and such to the other observers. |
| 09:09.17 | cahoot | babilen: why perpetuate this? |
| 09:09.35 | babilen | cahoot: no reason at all. |
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| 09:10.08 | geeknic | babilen: Kazuha Hi |
| 09:10.14 | Mendocinox | okonia bruder ola |
| 09:10.22 | Mendocinox | ikonia |
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| 09:11.25 | SubZero_ | slaps babilen around with Windows Me |
| 09:11.32 | Kazuha | I suspect that didn't work. |
| 09:12.26 | geeknic | !kicks babilen and Kazuha for not helping SubZero_ |
| 09:12.57 | Kazuha | !offtopic |
| 09:12.57 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. Please join #debian-offtopic |
| 09:13.20 | geeknic | !offtopic | Kazuha |
| 09:13.37 | geeknic | !offtopic | asmodeus_ |
| 09:13.53 | Mendocinox | Let's Penguinkillah party now! |
| 09:13.58 | Kazuha | I don't think dpkg pipes. >_> |
| 09:14.01 | asmodeus_ | okay |
| 09:14.04 | asmodeus_ | oh |
| 09:14.09 | geeknic | Mendocinox: let's rock the party |
| 09:14.16 | geeknic | Ok we going #debian-offtopic |
| 09:14.25 | Mendocinox | geeknic brotha hello:D |
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| 09:19.21 | Mendocinox | Let's Drink, yeah |
| 09:19.26 | Mendocinox | Cheers |
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| 09:32.52 | Mendocinox | Cheers |
| 09:33.06 | Mendocinox | tarik brotha Allah Alhbar! |
| 09:33.14 | Mendocinox | Akhbar! |
| 09:33.59 | asmodeus_ | whois flooding in debian-offtopic |
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| 09:40.49 | jelly | asmodeus_: you are? |
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| 09:46.53 | asmodeus_ | jelly, you know what? |
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| 09:59.16 | Gertm | what's the best place to put a script I want to run on startup after everything else? |
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| 10:00.09 | mullein | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.33 | Gertm | ah, that's what I'm looking for, thanks! |
| 10:00.45 | jelly | arguably the "best" place is a separate init script |
| 10:01.07 | jelly | rc.local, however, is much simpler |
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| 10:34.47 | olspookishmagus | hello... are you aware of any package that will provide me of a sandbox/pastebin to make quick pastes to? |
| 10:35.36 | babilen | olspookishmagus: like a local pastebin? or somthing that eases pasting to remote ones? |
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| 10:40.30 | jelly | interestingly, apt-cache search pastebin shows just one packaged |
| 10:40.43 | jelly | judd: info pnopaste --release squeeze |
| 10:40.46 | judd | jelly: pnopaste (web): is optional; Version: 1.3-2; Size: 17.4k; Installed: 268k -- Pastebin with syntax highlighting |
| 10:41.29 | babilen | i get nine ... but that is on squeeze |
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| 10:42.08 | jelly | I'm on squeeze, too. Which are the other eight? |
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| 10:42.57 | jelly | there are 9 results for the search, but just one pastebin site amongst them |
| 10:42.59 | babilen | jelly: http://pastebin.com/fb080bb1 |
| 10:43.36 | jelly | exactly |
| 10:43.51 | babilen | right - I guess most of the pastebin site implementations are not released/open sourced |
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| 10:44.08 | jelly | or noone cared to package them |
| 10:44.10 | denethor | hi. I am looking for a simple X program that shows pressed keys and modifiers. Could someone point me to the right direction please? |
| 10:44.22 | jelly | denethor: xev |
| 10:44.23 | babilen | denethor: xev will work nicely |
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| 10:44.59 | babilen | denethor: xev | grep -A2 --line-buffered '^KeyRelease' | sed -n '/keycode /s/^.*keycode \([0-9]*\).* (.*, \(.*\)).*$/\1 \2/p'" for cleaner output |
| 10:45.00 | denethor | no, that's not what I want. This shows a lot of events and mainly in console. |
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| 10:45.31 | denethor | It should be visualy compatible with a screencast :-) |
| 10:45.49 | jelly | that's not waht you asked first, though |
| 10:46.11 | denethor | jelly, don't get me wrong. Thanks for your hint though. |
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| 10:47.35 | denethor | babilen: hmm, maybe I should try this with gnome-terminal with a nice font |
| 10:47.40 | babilen | denethor: No idea if such a tool exists, but writing one should be easy with xev and - say - xosd or the notification API in GNOME .... |
| 10:47.46 | TheAvatar | How do I recreate /dev/null if I accidentially replaced it with some jibberish? |
| 10:48.29 | olspookishmagus | babilen: precisely, thanks for leading my question while I'm busy :) |
| 10:48.39 | denethor | babilen: yes, you're right but I thought others had the same need before... |
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| 10:49.34 | babilen | TheAvatar: mknod will do this .. read the man page and/or google for mknod /dev/null |
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| 10:49.47 | iskywalker | hi! |
| 10:50.15 | TheAvatar | okay, thanks. I realized, this is not the way to shred a patch rejects file: patch -p0 -N --reject-file=/dev/null :P |
| 10:50.16 | babilen | denethor: That is quite likely. It's just that *I* am not aware of such a tool. I am sure something like this exists. Which WM/DE are you using? |
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| 10:50.38 | iskywalker | i am using evince, and when closing documents my memory usage increases, i have several documents open, and my virtual memory usage is 5 gigs... that cant be true right? |
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| 10:51.11 | iskywalker | i have lenny and libpoppler3 |
| 10:51.21 | olspookishmagus | I'm on stable, so I'll search backports too |
| 10:51.57 | babilen | !tell olspookishmagus -about bpo |
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| 10:52.21 | iskywalker | anyone have same problem? |
| 10:52.29 | denethor | okay, thanks babilen and jelly. |
| 10:52.56 | TheAvatar | Just for reference, mknod /dev/null c 1 3 && chmod 666 /dev/null. Thanks babilen |
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| 10:53.37 | babilen | TheAvatar: No problem ... It's just that you don't do that so often :-) |
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| 10:55.59 | mazzachre | How do I select only some packages from testing and the rest from stable? I have made a "squeeze.list" in source.list.d and a preferences file with Pin-priority lower for a=testing than a=stable only apt-upgrade still wants to upgrade my entire system to testing! |
| 10:56.16 | TheAvatar | indeed not - this is my first time - but guess your first time has to come sooner than later :D |
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| 10:57.32 | themill | iskywalker: it's most likely an issue with the particular PDFs you are looking at. I use kpdf which is poppler-based but not using libpoppler3 (don't ask) but haven't seen those sorts of problems. |
| 10:57.37 | babilen | mazzachre: Use backports ... |
| 10:58.06 | mazzachre | babilen: Where to look that up? (I am trying to get tomcat6 on to my system) |
| 10:58.21 | themill | judd versions tomcat6 |
| 10:58.21 | babilen | !tell mazzachre -about bpo |
| 10:58.21 | judd | themill: tomcat6 -- sid: 6.0.20-7 squeeze: 6.0.20-7 |
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| 10:58.31 | themill | (no tomcat6 on bpo) |
| 10:58.33 | babilen | but it looks ^^^ like you are out of luck |
| 10:58.48 | iskywalker | themill, i am saving all documents to the hard drive, already save a dozen but not memory usage change of evince... |
| 10:58.51 | mazzachre | :( |
| 10:58.58 | babilen | !tell mazzachre -about ssb |
| 10:58.59 | themill | mazzachre: do you really really need tomcat6? or does tomcat5.5 work ok for you? |
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| 10:59.52 | wvd | So I installed proftp using apt-get install proftpd but when I say /etc/proftpd.conf it says no such file or directory - anyone knows why is this? |
| 10:59.58 | mazzachre | Hmmm... I am no expert here... I have just not tried on tomcat5.5... I already had to add dotdeb to get a newer database... |
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| 11:00.22 | jelly | !dotdeb |
| 11:00.22 | dpkg | well, dotdeb is for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/, or but realize that we cannot support dotdeb packages here, so you will be ON YOUR OWN, or there is little reason to use dotdeb.org now that backported versions of php and mysql are available from backports.org. ask me about <backports> and <backports.org> |
| 11:01.45 | TheAvatar | wvd, it is not there as proftpd.conf.dpkg-dist or such? |
| 11:01.50 | Dumbix | hi all |
| 11:02.20 | Dumbix | is ruby stable enough to replace perl in task admin scripts ? |
| 11:02.43 | wvd | TheAvatar: Idk.. any other ftp program I should use (just easy, adding users) and done? |
| 11:04.47 | TheAvatar | I prefer proftpd myself, but there's others as well that probably could be recommended |
| 11:05.28 | wvd | Mmh, it was /etc/proftpd/proftpd |
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| 11:09.26 | themill | Dumbix: given that every single point release of ruby seems to be incompatible and people want to have ruby 1.8.5 and 1.8.7 and 1.9 and ..., I'd guess not. But I'm looking in from the outside here. |
| 11:10.40 | wvd | So I'm using adduser, but when I login then it's in home/username, would it be possible to make the users home directory like var/www/? |
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| 11:11.16 | themill | wvd: man adduser... --home DIR |
| 11:11.28 | wvd | themill: ok thanks |
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| 11:18.17 | iskywalker | anyone knows about a gui for gnu make? ( i want to make a project and see what needs to be build when i change a file) |
| 11:18.53 | eriberto | hi all. what is the state of the xen (linux-image) in squeeze? |
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| 11:20.19 | petemc | eriberto: last i looked there wasnt any |
| 11:20.25 | eriberto | there will xen in squeeze? |
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| 11:24.33 | pom | I have e Debian server running a website with lighttpd, php and mysql. Sometimes the load spikes so hard that I can't access it from SSH until the load drops down again, hence stopping me from seeing what process is the hog in top. Any tips of how I can try to track down this problem? |
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| 11:29.08 | lvh | hi |
| 11:29.13 | lvh | anyone know any tools for chopping up a postscript image? |
| 11:29.21 | lvh | I've got a tiny figure on an A4 ps image, I'd like to crop it. |
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| 11:30.32 | chrisw | hi all, how do I make a system-wide change to $PATH? |
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| 11:31.09 | tarzeau | lvh: convert it to an image first? |
| 11:31.25 | tarzeau | chrisw: depends on which shell, /etc/profile, zprofile, *c*profile |
| 11:31.49 | tarzeau | (bash, zsh, (t)csh) |
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| 11:34.34 | chrisw | tarzeau: hmm, well, I need to move to a non-packaged version of MySQL, the mysql.com guys recommend using their pre-compilde binaries, but I need to get /usr/local/mysql/bin onto the path for "everything"... |
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| 11:35.49 | iskywalker | pom, not sure but what about making the priority of ssh higher? |
| 11:35.49 | blizzkid | What would be the quickest way to divert requests to 1.2.3.4:80 to 5.6.7.8:80 ? I changed dns but want to divert traffic as long as dns is not up2date |
| 11:36.06 | iskywalker | and putting reserved memory for ssh |
| 11:36.13 | iskywalker | sop it doesnt must swap |
| 11:36.37 | iskywalker | limits.conf i think is a good start |
| 11:37.48 | tarzeau | chrisw: funny |
| 11:38.08 | tarzeau | blizzkid: /etc/hosts or iptables? |
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| 11:38.48 | blizzkid | tarzeau: I was thinking iptables on the server rather than /etc/hosts on every client in the world... |
| 11:39.08 | tarzeau | blizzkid: how many clients do you have? |
| 11:39.09 | blizzkid | tarzeau: but not sure how to do it, never touched iptables before |
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| 11:39.17 | chrisw | tarzeau: no really... :-S Seems the most sensible way to stop replication falling over for me :-( |
| 11:39.22 | blizzkid | tarzeau: 6 billion possible readers |
| 11:39.37 | tarzeau | blizzkid: hehe. why not fix the dns instead? |
| 11:39.57 | blizzkid | tarzeau: did that, but as you may know, that takes up to 24 hours to replicate |
| 11:39.58 | chrisw | so where is the system-wide $PATH set? |
| 11:40.01 | pom | iskywalker: That could be an idea, but now I think I have pinpointed the error in syslog. |
| 11:40.19 | tarzeau | blizzkid: well, have a coffee, go shopping |
| 11:40.32 | tarzeau | blizzkid: depends on the cache time... |
| 11:40.39 | tarzeau | ttl |
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| 11:40.46 | blizzkid | tarzeau: nah, it should be fairly easy to redirect traffic using iptables imho |
| 11:40.58 | tarzeau | blizzkid: true |
| 11:41.44 | blizzkid | tarzeau: so, could you give me a hint? It just has to redirect, no nat/whatever I guess |
| 11:41.46 | chellomere | blizzkid, you could use NAT and iptables on 1.2.3.4, and use a an network device alias on 5.6.7.8 to connect to 1.2.3.4 (as to not interfere with 5.6.7.8's normal operation) |
| 11:42.22 | tarzeau | blizzkid: no, i hate iptables stuff :) |
| 11:42.40 | tarzeau | blizzkid: i like to use guis for that, remember raptor? or nextstep? |
| 11:42.41 | chellomere | wouldn't you need to use NAT, as the client expects to connect to 1.2.3.4? |
| 11:42.46 | asmodeus_ | !##teenlinux |
| 11:42.46 | blizzkid | chellomere: that's not gonna work with public ip's... |
| 11:42.50 | tarzeau | blizzkid: i'm lazy, if not paid, i don't do such things |
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| 11:43.53 | chellomere | blizzkid, sorry, in what way? oh, 1.2.3.4 and 5.6.7.8 are both public ips? and oh wow, NAT over the internet would be freaky... |
| 11:44.00 | tarzeau | wow google chromium 836 mb tarball, funny! |
| 11:44.01 | blizzkid | or maybe apache has something... |
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| 11:44.13 | tarzeau | and since v8 isn't ported to anything else than i386/amd64, it won't run on my ppc/sparc |
| 11:44.20 | blizzkid | isn't there a "relocated" in apache? |
| 11:44.25 | mjmt__ | Why not just install Apache on 1.2.3.4 and do: Redirect / http://5.6.7.8 |
| 11:44.47 | blizzkid | mjmt__: yeah, let me test that |
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| 11:45.59 | blizzkid | mjmt__: that's not going to work... there are multiple domains on 5.6.7.8 |
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| 11:46.20 | pom | I have a problem with the kernel runnung out of memory and killing mysqld (http://debian.pastebin.com/m28d5d316). I think it's because I have no swap partition (when the machine was installed some brilliant guy told me swap was unnecessary). However, according to top, as far as I can see there is > 400M free memory (http://debian.pastebin.com/m45833be5) and I can't see why it suddenly would pop up higher (mysqld, memcached etc all have their confi |
| 11:46.43 | mjmt__ | The Redirect can be in a VirtualHost directive. |
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| 11:47.22 | pom | I need help figuring out how I can add a swap partition to this server running live or if it would be solved by just adding some more memory. |
| 11:47.44 | blizzkid | mjmt__: yes, on 1.2.3.4 but if then redirect it to http://5.6.7.8, 5.6.7.8 will show the default instead of the virtual host.. |
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| 11:48.48 | amgarching | how do you change to window number 10 in screen? "C-a 1 0" switches to window 1 |
| 11:48.48 | ansumon | hii, which version shud i use for usb -pen drive installation. i want to install debian from usb without the aid of internet. Is it possible? |
| 11:49.12 | mjmt__ | Then redirect to the name not IP. :) |
| 11:50.05 | blizzkid | mjmt__: are you kidding? while dns is not replicated the name still points to 1.2.3.4... that's the issue... |
| 11:50.19 | mjmt__ | Ahh. |
| 11:50.20 | chellomere | blizzkid, set up a dns entry on a dns server you have 100% control over |
| 11:50.37 | blizzkid | chellomere: it is my own dns server |
| 11:51.05 | mjmt__ | Heh now there's a problem. |
| 11:51.08 | chellomere | you still don't have control over replication of the main domain |
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| 11:51.14 | chellomere | set up a subdomain |
| 11:51.47 | blizzkid | chellomere: apart from the tld I do have control over it |
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| 11:55.26 | mrbob009 | when was lenny released? |
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| 11:56.45 | chellomere | blizzkid, I know that. if you set up a subdomain, that one will be available immediately tho. |
| 11:56.54 | mjmt__ | Hmm, only other thing I can think of would be changing 5.6.7.8 to serve the virtual site by default on some other port. |
| 11:57.01 | SlayerXP | mrbob009: if only there were some kind of website that contained all kinds of information about debian...... |
| 11:57.08 | Shadur | Hmm. You still need to echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward even when you're purely doing NAT, right? |
| 11:57.23 | chellomere | Shadur, yes |
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| 11:57.59 | Shadur | SlayerXP: Ooo, there's an idea. Maybe on some obvious, easily to guess URL like, I dunno, www.debian.org maybe. |
| 11:58.02 | loompek | morning |
| 11:58.11 | loompek | one little ol' question... |
| 11:58.36 | loompek | where could i set which ethernet device has which ethX name? |
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| 11:58.48 | chellomere | mjmt__, he could set the site up to use both the temporary subdomain and the main domain as virtual hosts. |
| 11:58.56 | Shadur | loompek: dmesg | grep eth |
| 11:59.15 | loompek | Shadur that's how i find out which device has what name... |
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| 11:59.44 | loompek | the thing is... i had to switch hardware (from proliant dl 360 g2 to g4) because of mobo failiure... |
| 11:59.54 | loompek | and now the devices have eth2 and eth3... |
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| 12:00.10 | iskywalker | powm: swap can be any time be added, you must parition the hard drive or add a new one, i think there is also a method using a swap file. |
| 12:00.17 | Shadur | loompek: Check in udev's config dir. |
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| 12:00.23 | Rahim | need an fstab entry to mount an EXT4 partition |
| 12:00.42 | iskywalker | and again use limits so the kernel have enough memory else you are only delaying the inevitable |
| 12:00.50 | Shadur | loompek: udev memorizes the MAC addresses of your interfaces in order to give them the same names each time. If you changed your hardware, you'll have run into that. |
| 12:00.54 | Shadur | did. |
| 12:00.56 | iskywalker | pom: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/custom-guide/s1-swap-adding.html |
| 12:01.12 | SlayerXP | Shadur: that's an awesome suggestion. quick! patent it! |
| 12:01.15 | iskywalker | is red hat article but should be more than ok |
| 12:01.17 | pom | iskywalker: What do you mean with "use limits"? |
| 12:01.32 | loompek | Shadur udev you say... thanks... |
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| 12:01.46 | iskywalker | you can limit the maximum memory used by a process |
| 12:02.05 | micky | loompek edit /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules and assign eth0 / 1 to whatever device you now have listed as 2 and 3 |
| 12:02.27 | pom | iskywalker: Is there a general way to do this or do you mean the regular configs for mysql, php, etc? |
| 12:02.33 | iskywalker | http://linux.die.net/man/5/limits.conf |
| 12:02.40 | lvh | tarzeau: i would, but it's for a tex document, it seems like a gigantic waste to have a perfectly fine vector image and then turn it into a bitmap |
| 12:03.01 | Rahim | does lenny not support ext4 yet? |
| 12:03.12 | Shadur | loompek: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 12:03.17 | micky | loompek reboot the box after that and you should be fine |
| 12:03.19 | iskywalker | pom: search on google for limits.conf |
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| 12:04.05 | micky | Shadur depends on the system but it`s something *persistent-net.rules :) |
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| 12:08.40 | pom | iskywalker: Since the kernel killed mysqld, is it safe to assume mysqld was the application using up the ram? |
| 12:11.23 | iskywalker | pom, dont know are you sure the kernel killed the application? or the application killed it self cause it wanted more memory and there was none? |
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| 12:12.18 | pom | iskywalker: It looks like the kernel killed the process, see syslog here: http://debian.pastebin.com/m28d5d316 |
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| 12:12.45 | quakesin | . |
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| 12:12.58 | iskywalker | yes in deed, dont know |
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| 12:13.54 | blizzkid | chellomere: I don't think a subdomain is a good (clean) option. It will overcomplicate things |
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| 12:15.35 | chellomere | blizzkid, it will work, and I don't think you have much of an option, if you want to avoid the ttl |
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| 12:30.21 | Slydder | so. ist there a package mantainer here today? |
| 12:30.28 | Slydder | s/ist/is/ |
| 12:31.21 | d1b | Slydder: probably. but probably idle :P |
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| 12:32.24 | Slydder | damn. have been trying to get the config file for a package actually IN the package when building but for some reason it just won't work |
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| 12:32.36 | loompek | Shadur it worked... thanks :D |
| 12:32.39 | Pierreb | anyone know if its possible to give a user rights to apt-get upgrade -s but not anything else? |
| 12:33.05 | Slydder | Pierreb: see sudo |
| 12:33.39 | Slydder | dpkg: sudo |
| 12:33.39 | dpkg | [sudo] (Substitute User DO) better than su, according to talon. Not enabled by default on Debian systems; configure /etc/sudoers first, ask me about <visudo>. sudo can give limited super user privileges to specific users, or allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program". http://wiki.debian.org/sudo http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
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| 12:35.05 | Pierreb | Slydder: well i dont want it to have perms to install/remove anything just to simulate a upgrade |
| 12:35.32 | d1b | Pierreb: sudo / suid a script to only do the command then. |
| 12:35.40 | Slydder | the add the update simulation to a script and give perms to the script |
| 12:35.45 | petemc | suid a script? |
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| 12:36.23 | jelly | Pierreb: you can configure sudo to give access to a specific command with specific parameters. |
| 12:36.50 | jelly | d1b: setuid #! scripts don't work in Linux |
| 12:37.19 | paissad-hp | can you advice a tool to extract a deb package in order to see its content ? |
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| 12:37.31 | jelly | paissad-hp: dpkg? |
| 12:37.32 | Pierreb | jelly: ok thx |
| 12:38.03 | CuBe0wL | hi all! doesn anyone other than me experience random segfaults in dolphin in testing? |
| 12:38.46 | jelly | paissad-hp: read about --contents and --extract in the manual |
| 12:38.57 | paissad-hp | jelly, ok thanks |
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| 12:43.24 | paissad-hp | jelly, got it --> dpkg-deb -x package dir_to_extraction |
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| 12:48.12 | paissad-hp | jelly, i expected to see the installation script of the package.deb when i did dpkg-deb -x ... i did not get it |
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| 12:48.20 | paissad-hp | how must i proceed ? |
| 12:50.20 | jelly | you sadi contents, not scripts... --control (-e) for scripts |
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| 12:51.11 | jelly | paissad-hp: also, when a package is already installed, they're in /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.* |
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| 12:53.05 | jae | I know my gfx card and monitor can do it, since I just set it to 75 with xrandr :P |
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| 13:00.25 | mazzachre | Hmmm... anyone who can help me with setting up apache to forward requests to tomcat? I have tested that Tomcat is running (on it's local port 8180) and apache is running (on port 80) I have added a workers.properties file http://pastebin.com/m7041fe7c and made a file in apache2/conf.d called tomcat like this http://pastebin.com/m5162bc2e |
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| 13:01.00 | mazzachre | Yet there is no access to the host /jsp-examples (there is on tomcat's local port) |
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| 13:02.08 | mazzachre | I am quite the beginner to this, so it might be something stupid... I get a 404 from apache, it seems like it is not even considering the tomcat thingie... |
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| 13:07.45 | pom | According to this: http://debian.pastebin.com/m59f4e4a2, how much memory do I have free? I always thought I should look at Swap:.... #### k cached for this, but kernel complains it runs out of memory and are killing processes. |
| 13:08.34 | petemc | you dont seem to have any swap |
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| 13:09.28 | Pierreb | whats wrong with this? |
| 13:09.30 | Pierreb | zabbix ALL=NOPASSWD: apt-get upgrade -s -qq | grep -v -E ^Conf |wc -l |
| 13:09.41 | Pierreb | in sudoers |
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| 13:10.47 | mazzachre | Pierreb: Don't think you can add all that in sudoers... just allow people to sudo run apt-get without password... |
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| 13:11.16 | Pierreb | well i want the user to be able to run a specific command not the whole apt-get |
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| 13:11.46 | naquad_ | hi |
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| 13:11.58 | naquad_ | conky users: how do i put debian logo into conky? |
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| 13:13.34 | mazzachre | Pierreb: I am no expert there... I would do an alias and allow sudo to that... |
| 13:14.11 | mazzachre | Pierreb: But I am not sure if that is actually a good idea... it should not be a user modifyable alias at least... perhaps a script would be better... |
| 13:14.32 | pom | petemc: If I had to begin swapping I would probably lose all performance anyway. We try to always have enough ram. |
| 13:14.37 | mazzachre | Pierreb: Add your command to a bash script, place that in /usr/sbin and allow access to that from sudo... |
| 13:15.07 | PerfDave | mazzachre: I think you mean /usr/local/sbin ;) |
| 13:16.03 | petemc | pom: well, if the kernel is killing processes, you dont have enough ram |
| 13:16.07 | Pierreb | so zabbix ALL=NOPASSWD: /etc/zabbix/zabbixapt would work? |
| 13:16.21 | mazzachre | PerfDave: Ya |
| 13:16.46 | mazzachre | Pierreb: Yes, but that would allow the user to edit it.. not good for a sudo command |
| 13:17.02 | Pierreb | yeah i agree |
| 13:17.50 | mazzachre | Pierreb: Place it in /usr/local/sbin and with root as woner and group and 500 for access |
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| 13:18.32 | PerfDave | mazzachre: It wouldn't allow the user to edit it unless you gave the user write permissions. |
| 13:18.52 | Pierreb | it dont have write permssion for anything at the moment |
| 13:18.55 | Pierreb | can just view files |
| 13:19.28 | mazzachre | Pierreb: Ya... but generally /usr/local/sbin would be the place to put such stuff... |
| 13:19.44 | mazzachre | Pierreb: And remember the owner and access bits :) |
| 13:19.47 | PerfDave | Pierreb: We're talking about write permissions for your script. If you give people permission to run your script as root, and then allow them to edit the script, they can do whatever they want as root :) |
| 13:20.58 | mazzachre | PerfDave: Then just ALL=NOPASSWD: (ALL) Would do :D |
| 13:21.06 | PerfDave | *grins* |
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| 13:21.37 | pom | petemc: And I can't see how that is possible. MySQL is restricted to 512M, which should be enought, memcache uses max 128M, the 16 PHP-processes ~30M each and lighttpd 11M. I should have > 700M free. |
| 13:21.38 | mazzachre | PerfDave: Which is exactly what I have in my sudoers file... |
| 13:21.42 | PerfDave | has a bunch of scripts in /usr/local/sbin on various servers to allow users to run stuff with different ownership, and also to tie users into specific commands with authorized_keys files. |
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| 13:22.26 | petemc | pom: im going by what you said |
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| 13:23.28 | jaggz-1 | whyfor does this system not auto-mount my usb device (phone memory) while my other pops up the "what should I do? mount it, nothing, explore with the pictographia viewer?" |
| 13:23.30 | pom | So the "cached" is free memory then. |
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| 13:23.48 | pom | Then I don't understand why the kernel whacks mysqld every so often. |
| 13:23.49 | mazzachre | Anyone who have setup a server with apache mod_jk and tomcat? I have some problems... |
| 13:24.00 | rooisto47 | hello everyone |
| 13:24.05 | djura-san | is it possible to use more than 4gb of ram in debian 32bit? |
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| 13:24.27 | timburke | djura-san: afaik no |
| 13:24.43 | themill | pom: I've not been following your discussion, but "/msg dpkg mysql memory usage" may be of interest/relevance. |
| 13:24.44 | PerfDave | djura-san: With a PAE kernel, yes - I think the default kernels have PAE built-in, but I've not triedi t. |
| 13:24.56 | joltcan | yes, default kernel has PAE |
| 13:25.02 | timburke | ah.. |
| 13:25.03 | jaggz-1 | oh.. after several minutes it pops up .. weird |
| 13:25.04 | themill | !bigmem |
| 13:25.04 | dpkg | For i386, -bigmem linux-images support up to 64 GB of RAM. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of RAM, install and use this to see everything past the sub ~3.4 GB limit (but with additional CPU overhead). Alternatively, if you have an <amd64> processor, use an amd64 kernel which doesn't need bigmem. |
| 13:25.08 | timburke | I was going to recommend the bigmem kernel |
| 13:25.38 | jaggz-1 | feature only available with hal, it says.. |
| 13:25.52 | rooisto47 | I'm comming from ubuntu and would like install debian "for my laptop" can you tell me which distribution I have to insrall ? stable testing unstable or experimental ? |
| 13:26.18 | PerfDave | rooisto47: You can install any of those except experimental; I'd recommend stable, because it's most stable :) |
| 13:26.20 | djura-san | rooisto47, stable for start |
| 13:26.38 | themill | rooisto47: if you have to ask, definitely "stable". |
| 13:27.02 | djura-san | PerfDave, is it hard to setup PAE kernel? im not so familiar with that so... |
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| 13:27.33 | PerfDave | djura-san: You don't need to set anything up, just install 32-bit Debian, and you'll have access to about 3.4GB of RAM; or install the -bigmem kernel and see all 4GB. |
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| 13:28.24 | rooisto47 | PerfDave: djura-san but stable is relatively "old" I mean you know for stability reasons, no ext4,.... and would like something up to date and not who crash everytime ! |
| 13:28.44 | rooisto47 | like experimental |
| 13:28.55 | rooisto47 | maybe testing or unstable ? |
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| 13:29.34 | cahoot | rooisto47: why ask for advice when you don't really want it? |
| 13:29.35 | rooisto47 | which one of those two are most stable (testing or unstable) ? |
| 13:29.37 | themill | rooisto47: seriously... you clearly don't know enough about debian to cope with the problems you will face trying to run testing or unstable -- you're much better off with stable + selected backports if necessary |
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| 13:30.03 | djura-san | rooisto47, stable is the answer for "stable" sys. ext4 has some bugs and its not mature enough so i would not recomend it. On the other hand you can use testing and install kernel 2.6.31 (or latter) for ext4 and use tools for ext4 :) |
| 13:30.59 | rooisto47 | ok thank you very much so giong for "stable" 5.0.3 :) |
| 13:31.10 | robokop | imho testing is stable enough for a 'non-essential' workstation if you are not afraid to fiddle a bit with your system |
| 13:31.19 | djura-san | PerfDave, okay. Im asking this because i have to buy new pc. im gona invest in mb and ram (other stuff is irrelevant to me) so im trying to set that up for linux. |
| 13:31.22 | PerfDave | rooisto47: I run stable on my laptop. |
| 13:31.22 | cast | waves XFS around |
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| 13:31.35 | PerfDave | djura-san: If you're buying a new system, why not run amd64? |
| 13:31.41 | themill | robokop: so not... esp over the last few weeks, particularly if you are a new user |
| 13:32.15 | djura-san | PerfDave, not sure. I dont see any "good" side of that since thaere are issues with flash and codecs... |
| 13:32.18 | PerfDave | rooisto47: More recent is not necessarily better; the software in Debian Stable is less than a year old, and perfectly fine for my needs. |
| 13:32.32 | themill | rooisto47: you'll be much happier there... over time, you might decide you want a few newer things so look at backports.org. Eventually you might decide you want to help with the testing and debugging effort and at that stage, try testing once you know how to solve its problems. |
| 13:32.41 | djura-san | maybe to use 32bit backward compatibile packages but not sure |
| 13:32.44 | cast | i use stable w/ a bpo kernel on my laptop :) |
| 13:32.47 | robokop | themill: you shouldn't be afraid to fiddle around and i don't have had any downtime due to running testing |
| 13:32.47 | PerfDave | djura-san: There are? My girlfriend runs Flash on her amd64 Debian system quite happily, and I've nothad any codec problems. |
| 13:33.03 | PerfDave | djura-san: I don't use Adobe Flash because it's not free, but they *do* provide a native amd64 version now. |
| 13:33.03 | jelly | _used_ a bpo kernel until it barfed |
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| 13:33.08 | djura-san | PerfDave, really? I heard another story from users in my land |
| 13:33.17 | djura-san | PerfDave, aha |
| 13:34.01 | jelly | djura-san: I advise against 64bit if you need flash, or java applets. |
| 13:34.19 | PerfDave | jelly: Why? Adobe Flash 10 comes with in amd64 flavour. |
| 13:34.28 | jelly | PerfDave: it's less stable. |
| 13:34.28 | rooisto47 | and about using debian I think I would not have many difficulties since I used ubuntu for one years and it's based on debian, isn't it ? |
| 13:34.37 | cast | does it really make a difference with java applets? |
| 13:34.42 | PerfDave | jelly: It works just fine for my girlfriend... |
| 13:34.52 | robokop | works fine here too |
| 13:34.53 | jelly | cast: yes. Don't ask me why. |
| 13:35.04 | cast | how strange |
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| 13:35.19 | djura-san | rooisto47, yeah but there are some differences. Nothing to muzch but... |
| 13:35.22 | djura-san | *much |
| 13:35.36 | joel__ | who |
| 13:35.38 | themill | cast: openjdk doesn't implement some security modules that sun java does. (because they're not part of the java spec) |
| 13:35.39 | joel__ | exit |
| 13:35.57 | jelly | themill: I'm not even talking about openjdk, but proper Sun Java. |
| 13:36.02 | rooisto47 | djura-san: ok i'm really exiting to become a debian user |
| 13:36.09 | rooisto47 | ;) |
| 13:36.10 | PerfDave | rooisto47: Why not start with Stable and see how you get on? You can change to testing or unstable later without reinstalling. |
| 13:36.10 | themill | jelly: since when did that support amd64? |
| 13:36.17 | djura-san | jelly, its fine. i dont really care if it is 32bit or 64bit as long as it supports my 8gb of ram :) . I love to start 100.000 apps athe the same time so |
| 13:36.29 | PerfDave | themill: Since Sun started selling Opterons? ;) |
| 13:36.34 | jelly | themill: dunno? |
| 13:36.38 | rooisto47 | PerfDave: yes I'll install stable to begin |
| 13:36.48 | djura-san | rooisto47, yeah its great. I used ubuntu for too long and its kinda too... Brown |
| 13:36.57 | jelly | judd: info sun-java6-plugin |
| 13:36.58 | judd | jelly: sun-java6-plugin (non-free/web): is optional; Version: 6-12-1; Size: 1.9k; Installed: 100k -- The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 6 |
| 13:37.04 | cast | my opinion is that its mostly just proprietary crap that doesn't play well in 64bit mode, which isn't part of debian :) |
| 13:37.05 | jelly | judd: versions sun-java6-plugin |
| 13:37.06 | judd | jelly: sun-java6-plugin -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1 sid/non-free: 6-17-1 |
| 13:37.07 | djura-san | did not mean enything bad by "Brown" |
| 13:37.13 | rooisto47 | djura-san: rotf |
| 13:37.18 | themill | jelly: ahh.. from lenny onwards, it seems |
| 13:37.43 | PerfDave | cast: I've not had much trouble with proprietary crap either; hell, Quake 4 works ;) |
| 13:37.44 | jelly | themill: it doesn't work with HP iLO anyway, so .... crap |
| 13:38.13 | cast | does HP iLO have a CLI? |
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| 13:38.27 | jelly | cast: not for all the functionality. |
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| 13:39.09 | cast | ahhh. i haven't used it thus far, just been exposed to SUN kit |
| 13:39.09 | djura-san | well i should burn my netinstall do disc and start that installation... Im kinda lazy these days so i hate to bother now :| |
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| 13:40.05 | djura-san | btw i have another q: is there any way to purge iceweasel and not to affect other programs that are using it? |
| 13:40.14 | djura-san | purge from system that is |
| 13:40.35 | cast | surely if other programs are using it, removing it isn't going to be a good thing for them |
| 13:40.42 | PerfDave | djura-san: What do you mean, the other programs thata re using it? |
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| 13:41.00 | mazzachre | wonders why mIRC does not per default highlight his nick... Even if mIRC CAN highlight :( |
| 13:42.00 | mazzachre | Anyone who can help me with getting apache and tomcat to talk? |
| 13:42.32 | djura-san | cast, well when i start apt-get for inkscape and gimp it installs iceweasel. Im usign firefox binary form their site and i would not like to use iceweasel or see that on my pc. i ususally just overwrite iceweasel link in mu /usr/bin but im not sure about other programs since i hate updates so it has to download iceweasel as security update (only sec) |
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| 13:44.21 | PerfDave | djura-san: iceweasel's probably recommended by those packages rathe than required - apt installs recommendations by default, which you can turn off. Have you tried removing iceweasel and seeing what packages it takes with it? |
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| 13:46.25 | djura-san | PerfDave, not really. Im in xubuntu now so i cant try. I should turn off that "recommended" stuff since i hate that (its just bloating sys). |
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| 13:50.13 | jiajia | do u guys know how to join python forum in irc |
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| 13:51.08 | djura-san | jiajia, you meant "#python" ? Just do "/join #python" |
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| 13:51.30 | jiajia | djura-san: thanks |
| 13:51.38 | jiajia | but it doesn't work for me in this case |
| 13:51.47 | djura-san | jiajia, how so? I just tried it |
| 13:51.50 | PerfDave | djura-san: Well, I don't have Inkscape installed, but trying to remove Iceweasel here doesn't try to take GIMP with it. |
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| 13:52.21 | jiajia | djura-san yeah it worked thanks a lot |
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| 13:53.01 | djura-san | PerfDave, tnx. im burning debian 5.0.3 netinstall so i will try it (in about 2h) |
| 13:53.17 | PerfDave | always installs from a full CD or DVD TBH |
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| 13:54.33 | djura-san | like to be geeky and use netinstall :) |
| 13:55.02 | djura-san | btw debian first dvd has xfce right? |
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| 13:55.14 | cast | debootstrap is a bit more geeky \m/ |
| 13:55.15 | PerfDave | djura-san: I don't have the patience for netinstalling :) |
| 13:55.29 | rajeshsr | hi |
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| 13:55.45 | djura-san | cast, hm.. I dont wanna be too geeky :) |
| 13:55.59 | rajeshsr | I wnat to get libglade-python. But synaptic doesn't show anything like that? Isn't it ported into debian yet? |
| 13:56.16 | PerfDave | rajeshsr: What are you trying to achieve? |
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| 13:56.37 | rajeshsr | PerfDave, Just get python binding for libglade! :) |
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| 13:56.54 | beardy | What fucking difference in speed is downloading and installing, than downloading, burning a disc, then installing? |
| 13:56.59 | cast | python-glade2 is that it? |
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| 13:57.09 | beardy | That is, how do you think the latter is faster? |
| 13:57.09 | PerfDave | rajeshsr: What makes you think that the package has that name? "apt-cache search python glade" may help. |
| 13:57.15 | abrotman | beardy: depends how many machines you're installing |
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| 13:57.31 | beardy | Get a fucking apt-proxy. |
| 13:57.35 | PerfDave | beardy: You can use your computer for other stuff while you're downloading an ISO; you can't while netinstalling. |
| 13:58.15 | beardy | PerfDave: You have to install at some point, then rendering computer useless nevertheless. |
| 13:58.20 | beardy | Fail. |
| 13:58.34 | PerfDave | beardy: Yeah, so you minimise the amount of time your computer is unusable for. |
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| 13:58.44 | abrotman | get another computer |
| 13:58.50 | PerfDave | wonders why beardy feels the need to swear about this, it's clearly an emotive issue |
| 13:59.03 | PerfDave | abrotman: Yes, that's a good solution :) |
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| 14:00.38 | rajeshsr | PerfDave, hmm, yeah. Thanks! It is already installed. Some problem with python path search, lemme see! |
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| 14:01.01 | intx | is it possible to use an older kernel with debian? |
| 14:01.06 | cast | yes |
| 14:01.08 | abrotman | how much older? |
| 14:01.20 | intx | 2.6, about 1 year ago |
| 14:01.29 | abrotman | like the one that comes with lenny already? |
| 14:01.33 | intx | i'm having trouble with netfilter/masquerading for some reason, it's dropping connections, but it didn't happen before |
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| 14:01.54 | intx | apt-cache search only reveals 2.6.26+ |
| 14:02.01 | intx | i want something preferrably before xtables |
| 14:02.01 | EagleRock | intx: aptitude search linux-image and you should see a 2.6 kernel |
| 14:02.04 | PerfDave | intx: Why would you want to use an older kernel to fix that problem? |
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| 14:02.19 | PerfDave | An older kernel will likely have security holes in and not be supported. |
| 14:02.20 | Amey_ | hello |
| 14:02.20 | abrotman | intx: you could, but you'd run into security issues with a source compile that old |
| 14:02.26 | Amey_ | Any1 in US or in Canada ? |
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| 14:02.33 | PerfDave | Amey_: Millions of people. |
| 14:02.36 | abrotman | Amey_: lots of people, do you have a Debian question? |
| 14:02.38 | intx | PerfDave: i don't, i just don't know how to fix it :( |
| 14:02.39 | Amey_ | Are you ? |
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| 14:02.45 | markybob | jesus |
| 14:02.51 | abrotman | Amey_: do you have a Debian related question? |
| 14:03.12 | PerfDave | intx: Perhaps you could try asking for help with your netfilter / iptables / whatever problem here or on #iptables :) |
| 14:03.22 | Amey_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.29 | Amey_ | which is installed just now in my India office |
| 14:03.29 | abrotman | Amey_: go away |
| 14:03.41 | abrotman | Amey_: try #defocus |
| 14:03.52 | Amey_ | waht is defocus ? |
| 14:03.57 | intx | PerfDave: i tried on #iptables twice, 1 time the guy didn't know, the other time i got no answer :/ |
| 14:03.59 | abrotman | it's a channel .. /join #defocus |
| 14:04.05 | intx | any help would be appreciated |
| 14:04.07 | Amey_ | ok got it |
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| 14:04.42 | EagleRock | hmm...debian on one side...toll free phone systems on the other... |
| 14:05.09 | EagleRock | obviously they correlate in some cosmic tenth-dimensional way |
| 14:05.12 | EagleRock | :-) |
| 14:05.17 | mazzachre | intx: What is your firewall problems? |
| 14:05.17 | robokop | :) |
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| 14:05.37 | intx | PerfDave: i'm not even sure what to ask exactly. all i know is, when i seem to get several incoming connections, suddenly my established tcp connections randomly drop |
| 14:05.48 | intx | and they never did before |
| 14:06.00 | intx | the ones that are being masqueraded/natted |
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| 14:06.11 | abrotman | intx: and you're sure it's a netfilter problem and not say .. a change to your NIC driver? |
| 14:06.18 | intx | e.g. a masqueraded irc connection would drop, an established ssh connection would drop |
| 14:06.38 | intx | abrotman: not really, but i've tried changing NICs, problems still occur |
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| 14:06.58 | intx | masqueraded irc seems to be the most obvious dropped connection.. as I ping time out and reconnect |
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| 14:07.26 | intx | dmesg shows nothing |
| 14:07.29 | ansumon | hii all, does business card version require internet to complete installation? |
| 14:07.59 | rajeshsr | PerfDave, That doesn't get me libglade.py. Am not sure what it installs. It just seems to get me some .so file at /usr/lib/python-support/python-glade2/python2.4/gtk-2.0/gtk/glade.so |
| 14:08.09 | mazzachre | ansumon: obviously, yes... |
| 14:08.43 | intx | i don't even know where to look or start |
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| 14:08.48 | ansumon | mazzachre, is it possible to install debian from usb without the need of internet? |
| 14:08.58 | cast | ansumon: yes |
| 14:09.00 | intx | i figure if i downgrade to the old kernel, and the problems still occur, i know it's most likely hardware related |
| 14:10.03 | PerfDave | rajeshsr: So what you want to know is "which package contains libglade.py"? In which case you want to ask http://packages.debian.org or use apt-file |
| 14:10.10 | ansumon | cast, i tried debian installation using unetbootin, i used the image for cd . the installation proceeds till, mount cd media option, then it says it cannot find cd. |
| 14:10.30 | rajeshsr | PerfDave, Yeah, that is my question |
| 14:10.33 | rajeshsr | thanks |
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| 14:11.35 | da65 | hi all, is lenny ok with Plesk now? |
| 14:11.57 | abrotman | ask the plesk people |
| 14:11.59 | ansumon | cast, is there any particular version to use for usb installation? |
| 14:12.06 | da65 | etch dies in eb 2010 I believe and dont really want ubuntu |
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| 14:12.16 | abrotman | da65: that'd be ##plesk |
| 14:12.19 | da65 | Feb |
| 14:12.24 | da65 | ok, ty |
| 14:12.33 | intx | wait.. |
| 14:12.35 | intx | maybe dmesg doesn't show nothing |
| 14:12.39 | intx | i just thought it was unrelated |
| 14:12.44 | cast | ansumon: well, my way would be to put debian-live on usb, |
| 14:12.47 | intx | <- idiot |
| 14:12.56 | intx | [200182.053702] UDP: bad checksum. From 189.24.50.248:62891 to 99.240.110.134:57251 ulen 1501 |
| 14:12.59 | intx | i seem to get a lot of those. |
| 14:13.37 | ansumon | cast, i am new to linux. so, this live version, does it allow installation . |
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| 14:13.43 | jelly | intx: do you have an peer-to-peer application running? |
| 14:13.50 | intx | yes |
| 14:13.58 | da65 | looks like all is dead on the plesk chat lol |
| 14:14.08 | jelly | intx: if you quit it, do the messages stop? |
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| 14:14.34 | intx | they don't occur frequently |
| 14:14.35 | Justin | bittorrent+DHT kills connection tracking on a lot of devices, wayy too many UDF flows |
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| 14:15.09 | PerfDave | Yeah, you might want to increase the size of your conntrack tables? |
| 14:15.30 | Justin | or decrease the tracking time for udp |
| 14:16.03 | intx | ip_conntrack_count = 919, ip_conntrack_max=16384? |
| 14:16.16 | intx | i'm not sure if that's what you're referring to? |
| 14:16.45 | Justin | intx: you using a little embedded router? |
| 14:16.58 | intx | an older p2 machine |
| 14:17.16 | Justin | which machine did you get that from? yours or the router? |
| 14:17.32 | intx | router |
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| 14:17.43 | intx | the router is an older p2 machine |
| 14:18.03 | intx | it used to work flawlessly, never dropped a connection, although conntrack_count occasionally got full and i'd just increase it and everything would work fine |
| 14:18.30 | intx | since.. i'm not sure when, i'm guessing xtables/a kernel update, conntrack_count never exceeds about 1k when i check it |
| 14:19.12 | intx | ... thanks :) |
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| 14:19.26 | intx | i think you just pointed me in the right direction :) |
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| 14:19.44 | intx | still don't know how to fix it, but better than being clueless :) |
| 14:19.46 | PerfDave | There you go intx, much better than installing an unsupported buggy kernel ;) |
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| 14:23.09 | djura-san | oh i have one more question before i go: how to turn off those "recommended" packages that is apt pulling for other packages? |
| 14:23.23 | djura-san | i mean how not to download them |
| 14:23.47 | intx | PerfDave: thanks :) |
| 14:24.02 | abrotman | !tell djura-san about apt recommends |
| 14:25.09 | djura-san | abrotman, thank you for that :) |
| 14:25.17 | djura-san | now i gota go ti install debian |
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| 14:25.26 | djura-san | se you tonight :) |
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| 14:27.11 | ansumon | cast, afaik , live doesnt install, i am looking for a way to install debian from usb without internet aid |
| 14:27.39 | LittleDedPenguin | a usb dvd drive? |
| 14:27.52 | Justin | ansumon: put the standard .iso on the usb netinstall image like the install guide says |
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| 14:28.26 | ansumon | justin, doesnt netinstall requires internet? |
| 14:28.30 | PerfDave | Debian LiveCDs have an installer, but they require network access. |
| 14:28.33 | cast | well, one can install using debootstrap, which is pretty reliable as it has a lot of manualness. but it involves reading more manual than tne typical install methods |
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| 14:29.05 | LittleDedPenguin | netinstall will install a base system, usable, but not for much |
| 14:29.29 | ansumon | does it include a gui |
| 14:29.32 | LittleDedPenguin | no |
| 14:29.47 | cusco | PerfDave: how do you call the installer from livecd? |
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| 14:30.08 | ansumon | is it really impossible to install from usb using a normal cd iso |
| 14:30.10 | Justin | am I talling to myself? |
| 14:30.12 | Justin | ansumon: put the standard .iso on the usb netinstall image like the install guide says |
| 14:30.23 | cusco | there is netinstall with gui if you download a netinstall image, but its just the same |
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| 14:30.37 | Justin | forget the damn GUI, it's the same installer |
| 14:30.40 | PerfDave | cusco: Not sure, but the LiveCD manual says it can do installs |
| 14:30.50 | cusco | ok.. |
| 14:31.08 | ansumon | justin, does the netinstall iso require internet ? |
| 14:31.13 | Justin | ansumon: NO |
| 14:31.25 | Justin | you are not listening |
| 14:31.29 | Justin | ansumon: put the standard .iso on the usb netinstall image like the install guide says |
| 14:31.32 | ansumon | sorry, :) |
| 14:31.42 | Justin | standard ISO + usb netinstall |
| 14:31.48 | ansumon | ohhh |
| 14:31.50 | Justin | where did I say anything about netinstall ISO? |
| 14:31.50 | ansumon | ok |
| 14:31.57 | ansumon | my bad |
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| 14:32.36 | ansumon | justin , do u have a link with instruction on doin this that i can follow |
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| 14:33.04 | Justin | ansumon: the install guide? |
| 14:33.23 | patrikf | cusco: you select the installer in the livecd boot menu |
| 14:33.40 | Hans_Henrik | any1 know the switch for "gnu make" to ignore errors and continue? |
| 14:33.42 | patrikf | (answering your earlier question) |
| 14:33.44 | ansumon | justin, should i just download the iso and put it in usb along with the netinstall? |
| 14:33.50 | patrikf | Hans_Henrik: man make certainly knows |
| 14:33.58 | Justin | ansumon: you should read the install guide and do what it says |
| 14:34.11 | ansumon | justin , do u have its link? |
| 14:34.59 | Justin | ansumon: google.com |
| 14:36.19 | ansumon | thanks , justin. I hope it works this time :) |
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| 14:37.59 | cusco | patrikf: so there isn't any command you can call up after testing it live... |
| 14:38.02 | cusco | ? |
| 14:38.19 | patrikf | cusco: nah |
| 14:38.34 | patrikf | don't think so |
| 14:38.39 | patrikf | well you could use debootstrap, of course |
| 14:38.43 | patrikf | but that doesn't give you the installer |
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| 14:51.54 | jhutchins | dpkg: tell cusco about install |
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| 14:52.55 | desja004 | i am thinkpad x301 and i am running lenny. i needed to upgrade my kernel from 2.6.26 to 2.6.30 for my wireless card. unfortunately now my brightness keys and adjustment no longer. i think i am experiencing this http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=521280 ... but the updated version of acpid from backports didn't solve it either. any ideas? |
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| 14:53.28 | abrotman | odla? |
| 14:53.33 | desja004 | abrotman: yeah |
| 14:53.39 | abrotman | why are you hiding? |
| 14:53.50 | desja004 | abrotman: it's a stupid default for erc ... desja004 |
| 14:53.50 | abrotman | judd: versions apcid |
| 14:53.52 | judd | abrotman: apcid -- |
| 14:53.58 | abrotman | judd: versions acpid |
| 14:53.59 | judd | abrotman: acpid -- etch: 1.0.4-5 etch-security: 1.0.4-5etch1 lenny: 1.0.8-1 lenny-security: 1.0.8-1lenny1 lenny-backports: 1.0.10-4~bpo50+1 sid: 1.0.10-4 squeeze: 1.0.10-4 |
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| 14:54.44 | odla | abrotman: tried acpid &kernel from squeeze too after ugprading my box and no fix |
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| 14:55.07 | abrotman | get a better lamp! |
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| 14:55.37 | odla | abrotman: ha ha |
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| 14:56.57 | abrotman | odla: perhaps you should append the bug or open a new one ? |
| 14:56.59 | tselepahha | hi debian users , any chanche to heal from rm -r /var* ? |
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| 14:57.16 | odla | abrotman: already ahead of you http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=560702 |
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| 14:57.32 | abrotman | tselepahha: which part of it? |
| 14:58.05 | tselepahha | if it's executed and stopped on spotting the mistake :) |
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| 14:58.34 | abrotman | tselepahha: yes .. fixing which part of /var/ ? |
| 14:58.43 | tselepahha | that means i'm not sure what got flushed and what survived but i know for sure that lighttp is not accepting any connections |
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| 14:59.26 | abrotman | not accepting connections or not running at all ? |
| 14:59.41 | tselepahha | not accepting connections |
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| 15:00.04 | tselepahha | lighttpd failed: Connection refused. |
| 15:00.33 | tselepahha | and i guess thats not the only service that got corrupted and i have no clue how to find out what got damaged |
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| 15:00.45 | abrotman | so you have nothing under /var/ ? |
| 15:00.52 | CHeReP | hi nigers |
| 15:00.55 | CHeReP | ) |
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| 15:01.07 | tselepahha | i have |
| 15:01.14 | tselepahha | var/local/ got deleted |
| 15:01.14 | bomj | XD |
| 15:01.24 | bomj | CHeReP: bravo XDDD |
| 15:01.39 | tselepahha | var/lib is in place |
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| 15:03.04 | tselepahha | so i'm looking for a way to termin what got deleted |
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| 15:03.28 | Justin | tselepahha: grep var /var/lib/dpkg/info/*files |
| 15:03.30 | Justin | tselepahha: minimally |
| 15:03.48 | Justin | oh, that doesn't show anything huh |
| 15:04.07 | jelly | tselepahha: well... compare the tree with your last backups? |
| 15:04.21 | tselepahha | backups are not in my reach |
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| 15:04.46 | Justin | I guess if you just recreate /var/{spool,log,cache,backups,run} things will start working again for the mean time |
| 15:04.58 | Justin | the lack of /var/log and /var/run is most likely why your services wont start |
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| 15:05.10 | tselepahha | i have it up and running but just soem processes won't work as expected |
| 15:06.05 | tselepahha | i did fcsk also to see if premissions were bad as i created var/local /backups |
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| 15:06.11 | bob765 | is there no port option with sftp like -P in scp and -p in ssh? |
| 15:06.39 | jelly | bob765: there's always .ssh/config... |
| 15:07.00 | bob765 | jelly: host specific configs maybe, not a bad idea |
| 15:07.14 | abrotman | bob765: see the man page .. -oPort=portnum |
| 15:07.18 | jelly | bob765: there's also sftp -o |
| 15:07.41 | bob765 | ok, will try. is is historic that it's -p -P and -oPort |
| 15:07.54 | bob765 | s/is is/is it/ |
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| 15:13.26 | tselepahha | ok syslog says dbus_bus_get_private(): Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory |
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| 15:17.20 | x-ip | wich is the apt-get option to download and not install the packages ? i readed the man from apt-get and tryed : apt-get --download-only python-mysqldb but it brings me an error saying that 'python-mysqldb' is not a valid operation ... :\ |
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| 15:17.28 | x-ip | seems i'm doing something wrong |
| 15:18.15 | rgogunskiy | x-ip: apt-get -d install python-mysqldb |
| 15:18.34 | x-ip | thanks a lot rgogunskiy |
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| 15:30.48 | SRabbelier | I'm getting the following error when running 'sudo aptitude safe-upgrade': http://pastebin.com/f708c6fa3 (sources.ist: http://pastebin.com/f62a65407 ) |
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| 15:33.46 | themill | !btssmite SRabbelier |
| 15:33.47 | dpkg | beats SRabbelier around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if SRabbelier is running testing or unstable |
| 15:34.03 | SRabbelier | wicked |
| 15:34.22 | themill | !dbugs 548119 |
| 15:34.26 | dpkg | DONE:#548119:I[latex-xft-fonts] latex-xft-fonts: Error when trying to run update (); Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:06:02 UTC [] |
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| 15:35.00 | semprix | hi i have an etch installation i did apt-get install apache2 |
| 15:35.09 | semprix | but its looking for the dependencies |
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| 15:35.27 | semprix | does it install the dependencies by itself |
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| 15:35.39 | SRabbelier | themill: thanks, will install apt-listbugs |
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| 15:35.59 | themill | SRabbelier: that bug is also already fixed in sid. |
| 15:36.48 | SRabbelier | themill: ah, mhh, I'm confused, how do I get the fix then? |
| 15:37.19 | themill | SRabbelier: install version 1.6.5-1 of the package or later |
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| 15:40.28 | mrMoto | i got this problem http://pastebin.com/m2d8c49c5 |
| 15:41.02 | mrMoto | i cant fix ... |
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| 15:41.53 | _Brandon_ | hi, when I use update-initramfs the generated initrd file doesn't have modules.dep |
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| 15:46.07 | SRabbelier | I'm being verbally abused by mrMoto in private chat, -_-" |
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| 15:46.28 | PinkFreud | /ignore? |
| 15:47.09 | abrotman | mrMoto: aptitude update .. try again ? |
| 15:47.10 | SRabbelier | PinkFreud: of course, just think it's a weird tactic, first ask a question in #debian, then continue to verbally abuse it's members |
| 15:47.39 | PinkFreud | hope he doesn't expect help, then :) |
| 15:47.50 | abrotman | mrMoto: or don't use unstable |
| 15:48.13 | SRabbelier | PinkFreud: IRC sure does have a lot of strange people :P |
| 15:48.34 | PinkFreud | SRabbelier: s/IRC/human society in general/ |
| 15:48.36 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 15:48.43 | SRabbelier | PinkFreud: ah, fair enough :) |
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| 15:50.19 | saafi | Hello |
| 15:50.27 | saafi | sorry for the stupid question |
| 15:50.47 | saafi | but which debian is better for Core 2 Duo with 4G RAM |
| 15:50.50 | saafi | ? |
| 15:50.55 | saafi | amd64 ? |
| 15:51.08 | saafi | or the bigmem 32bit |
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| 15:51.37 | mjmt_ | Yeah you want 32-bit and the bigmem kernel. |
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| 15:51.50 | abrotman | saafi: amd64 or i386 .. |
| 15:52.17 | saafi | is there a big difference in the performance ? |
| 15:52.22 | jelly | no |
| 15:52.27 | Arrowmaster | either should be fine unless you have a specific reason for needing one or the other |
| 15:52.37 | ronr | how do I really completely remove a package? I want to do a full fresh install of mysql but for some reason even dpkg --purge leaves some stuff in place (like /etc/mysql) |
| 15:53.09 | saafi | No spesific reason just want to take the best from my laptop :) |
| 15:53.28 | saafi | so i have to use i386 with bigmem kernel :) |
| 15:53.46 | sysErroR | ronr: try apt-get autoremove <packagename> without the <> |
| 15:53.55 | saafi | is there i386_64 something like that |
| 15:53.56 | saafi | ? |
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| 15:54.13 | abrotman | saafi: have to? no .. but if it's for a desktop, it probably be easier on you if you use third party binary-only software like skype |
| 15:54.34 | PinkFreud | saafi: no. amd64 covers both amd and intel cpus |
| 15:54.45 | ronr | sysErroR: the old configs are still in place |
| 15:54.57 | ronr | as are the databases |
| 15:55.01 | saafi | what is the disadvantage of amd64 ? |
| 15:55.13 | PinkFreud | iirc, it was named such because amd was the first to release a 64 bit cpu with true x86 compatibility |
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| 15:56.02 | PinkFreud | abrotman: iirc, current flash releases for linux are 64 bit only. |
| 15:56.10 | saafi | but i386 utilize only 32bis bus and amd64 64bit bus ...soo amd64 should be better ? |
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| 15:56.46 | abrotman | PinkFreud: uh .. no |
| 15:57.00 | abrotman | saafi: is this for a desktop ? |
| 15:57.05 | saafi | yep |
| 15:57.05 | PinkFreud | abrotman: ahh, thought adobe quit supporting 32 bit linux. |
| 15:57.08 | saafi | for home use |
| 15:57.08 | abrotman | wtf |
| 15:57.14 | PinkFreud | nevermind, then :) |
| 15:57.21 | abrotman | they barely support 64bit linux .. the 64bit flash is still alpha IIRC |
| 15:57.30 | abrotman | saafi: use i386 with the bigmem kernel |
| 15:57.40 | saafi | ok :) |
| 15:57.43 | saafi | thanks |
| 15:58.00 | saafi | maybe I will test both |
| 15:58.01 | saafi | :) |
| 15:58.06 | PinkFreud | that's adobe, yes - but what's the latest 32 bit release? |
| 15:58.18 | PinkFreud | meh, nevermind. |
| 15:58.27 | abrotman | PinkFreud: the 64bit flash is *alpha* .. doesn't technically have a release |
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| 16:00.41 | jelly | doesn't even know which flash is currently running in his browser |
| 16:00.46 | hesco | can someone please share with me an example of the use of mknod to create a mount point for a block device? The man page is not getting it for me quite yet. |
| 16:01.15 | jelly | hesco: mount points are directories |
| 16:01.28 | jelly | hesco: what are you really trying to do? |
| 16:01.55 | likevinyl | is away: dime lo que crees ser y te diré lo que no eres. |
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| 16:08.14 | rooisto47 | should I install (doing "dpkg -i debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16_all.deb) the debian-multimedia-keyring before add the the multimedia repository to sources.list ? |
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| 16:08.49 | hesco | jelly: I'm trying to use mknod to create /dev/sdb1, where a device can be attached, and from which I can then mount that device into the filesystem |
| 16:09.11 | Justin | hesco: you should not be running mknod |
| 16:09.30 | hesco | is there some other way to accomplish this task? |
| 16:09.31 | jelly | hesco: which debian release? |
| 16:09.43 | hesco | Lenny |
| 16:09.56 | jelly | hesco: is there an udevd process running? |
| 16:10.13 | hesco | no |
| 16:10.15 | rooisto47 | should I install (doing "dpkg -i debian-multimedia-keyring_2008.10.16_all.deb) the debian-multimedia-keyring package before add the multimedia repository to sources.list (to get it work) ? |
| 16:10.28 | abrotman | just try it |
| 16:10.52 | jelly | hesco: what does mount|grep ' /dev ' say? |
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| 16:11.36 | hesco | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
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| 16:13.06 | jelly | hesco: are you booted properly, or running in a simplified busybox environment? |
| 16:13.31 | jelly | hesco: "mount", ran by itself, shouldn't say that |
| 16:13.39 | hesco | I'm running a very trimmed down version of Lenny in the cloud |
| 16:14.00 | hesco | sorry, had left out the pipe |
| 16:14.15 | hesco | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) |
| 16:14.15 | hesco | devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,noexec,nosuid,gid=5,mode=620) |
| 16:14.36 | hesco | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:15.23 | jelly | alright, so you don't seem to have udev in place |
| 16:15.34 | hesco | no I don't |
| 16:15.57 | jelly | hesco: /sbin/MAKEDEV generic |
| 16:16.44 | jelly | well, technically you can use it to create just sdb* or sd*, but this will create a decent /dev/ directory instead |
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| 16:17.02 | simonrvn | rooisto47: a) please don't repeat so frequently b) you don't have to, you can just do it from aptitude and request the installation of that package. |
| 16:17.37 | simonrvn | rooisto47: just accept the install when it whines about "unverified" packages. |
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| 16:19.53 | hesco | thanks, reading the man page now |
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| 16:21.54 | jidm | hi. my laptop has this button to disable/enable trackpad, which is not working by software. Altrought my system detects it as XF86TrackpadToggle. Any idea for making it work? I'm using debian testing, and have the synaptics driver installed. Thanks in advance. |
| 16:22.10 | mrMoto | n kgmsgd |
| 16:22.11 | mrMoto | I updated the svn ffmpeg and it works. |
| 16:22.26 | mrMoto | http://pastebin.com/m2e92bb0c |
| 16:22.54 | WormFood | jidm, what brand of laptop? |
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| 16:23.15 | jidm | WormFood: it's an hp pavilion dv2 |
| 16:23.20 | WormFood | I personally found the synaptics driver to not be suitable for my laptop |
| 16:23.31 | jelly | SRabbelier: you weren't the only one |
| 16:23.35 | hesco | well MAKEDEV generic seems to be far more than what I need here. |
| 16:23.41 | WormFood | I have a thinkpad, and the synaptics driver breaks my middle mouse button |
| 16:23.49 | jidm | WormFood: it has a backlight which is allways turned on |
| 16:24.05 | SRabbelier | jelly: very strange, he's still asking for help on #debian to top it off :P |
| 16:24.31 | WormFood | sorry jidm, don't know what to tell you to try |
| 16:25.20 | jidm | WormFood: thanks anyway. Not a trivial problem after all :) |
| 16:25.56 | WormFood | no, not trivial...I fought with my trackpoint, and eventually gave up |
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| 16:26.36 | WormFood | I want to turn off that god damn touch-to-click shit...really pisses me off....and the synapics driver can do that....at the expense of my middle mouse button, which isn't acceptable for me |
| 16:26.52 | laurus | I installed w32codecs from the debian-multimedia repository, and now VLC can't play any video files. How do I fix this? |
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| 16:27.07 | jelly | SRabbelier: I think there's a culture where "<mrMoto> son of a bitch <mrMoto> fuck you" gets roughly translated into "Esteemed Sir, if I may ask for a second of your time to help with this technical issue?" |
| 16:27.48 | SRabbelier | jelly: I would almost think so, yes; perhaps it's the language barrier :) |
| 16:28.41 | WormFood | maybe something was lost in translation...I see things get lost all the time between chinese and english (I'm in China) |
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| 16:29.10 | lolufail | hi! |
| 16:29.13 | jelly | WormFood: that's the current theory, yes |
| 16:29.13 | mrMoto | SRabbelier ???? whats happend? |
| 16:29.26 | wvd | Which CHMOD I need to give an user to give them access to upload files? |
| 16:29.33 | themill | mrMoto: are you playing nicely with the other kiddies in #debian? |
| 16:29.38 | lolufail | are there any auto-setup scripts for postfix or exim4? I keep doing the same steps (sasl etc) over and over again -.- |
| 16:29.40 | jidm | jelly: we spanish speakers use to damn when having technical issues :( |
| 16:29.47 | mrMoto | i dont do that |
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| 16:30.03 | SRabbelier | mrMoto: I have received several direct messages from you with insulting language; perhaps you should run a virus scan? |
| 16:30.18 | lolufail | user auto-add-user-and-give-password scripts |
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| 16:30.26 | lolufail | something like that would help :D |
| 16:30.33 | jelly | jidm: Ah, Argentina is indeed a Spanish-speaking country, right? |
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| 16:30.43 | mrMoto | i dont got antivirus :S |
| 16:30.52 | hesco | so MAKEDEV turns out to be a bash script using makedev under the hood |
| 16:31.17 | mrMoto | SRabbelier are you sure i insult you :S???? |
| 16:31.32 | jidm | jelly: at least we aim to be |
| 16:31.45 | lolufail | only idiots use more than one "?" |
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| 16:32.01 | SRabbelier | mrMoto: offensive language: http://pastebin.com/m51eb758a |
| 16:32.03 | themill | mrMoto: are you going to ask some debian questions or just be generally annoying? |
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| 16:33.13 | hesco | which turns out to invoke the same man page. |
| 16:33.19 | wvd | Which CHMOD I need to give an user to give them access to upload files? |
| 16:33.23 | jelly | hesco: yes! :-D |
| 16:33.48 | mrMoto | themill i going to ask debian problems |
| 16:34.01 | mrMoto | i never insult |
| 16:34.14 | WormFood | wvd, uog+w |
| 16:34.32 | jelly | hesco: but when faced with an incomplete static /dev, it's the simplest thing to do |
| 16:35.18 | themill | mrMoto: whatever you reckon.... you're really not very believable at this stage. |
| 16:35.20 | jhutchins_lt | How do I get packages that judd says are experimental? bpo? |
| 16:35.54 | asg | jhutchins_lt: /msg dpkg experimental ; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 16:36.28 | mrMoto | themill what problem do you got with me |
| 16:36.29 | mrMoto | ? |
| 16:36.39 | mrMoto | i only want speak of debian |
| 16:37.15 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: no, there's a release-like repo called exactly like that: "experimental". /msg dpkg experimental |
| 16:37.45 | mrMoto | SRabbelier you are lier |
| 16:37.51 | hesco | I only need /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 for this box |
| 16:37.59 | jhutchins_lt | diff experimental sid? |
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| 16:38.12 | mrMoto | <SRabbelier> mrMoto: offensive language: http://pastebin.com/m51eb758a <== it isnt trust |
| 16:38.34 | hesco | MAKDEV is using Major and suffix which are not available to me. I've never heard of either utility. |
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| 16:39.07 | jhutchins_lt | Judd reports bpo versions if they exist, right? |
| 16:39.08 | judd | jhutchins_lt: Error: "reports" is not a valid command. |
| 16:39.33 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: yes. |
| 16:39.50 | hesco | This seems closer to what I want: /sbin/MAKEDEV -n -v sdb |
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| 16:40.09 | jhutchins_lt | Oddly, although there's a page on ltsp from lenny backports, judd doesn't report anything. |
| 16:40.13 | hesco | I think I will call that art and run it for real now. |
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| 16:40.52 | hesco | jelly: thanks for your help on that. I would have been lost studying the mknod man page for hours w/o resolution except for your help. |
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| 16:41.15 | jelly | mrMoto: hi, some of your private messages have accidentally arrived to me, but I think you didn't mean to send them here |
| 16:41.28 | hesco | perfect |
| 16:41.42 | mrMoto | what? |
| 16:41.46 | mrMoto | i dont send nothing |
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| 16:41.52 | mrMoto | please stop |
| 16:42.07 | mrMoto | jelly are you sure? |
| 16:42.24 | jelly | [17:14] <mrMoto> son of a bitch [17:14] <mrMoto> fuck you [17:39] <mrMoto> you are a bitch [17:39] <mrMoto> you seems to your mother [17:41] <mrMoto> she is a bitch too |
| 16:42.28 | mrMoto | :| |
| 16:42.32 | mrMoto | o_O |
| 16:42.46 | rabies | wow, poorly phrased and everything |
| 16:42.54 | jelly | the language pattern seems to match |
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| 16:43.25 | jelly | I'm unsure whether the intended recipient was correct. |
| 16:43.38 | wvd | I'm trying to add an user with 'useradd' but it keeps saying 'Access denied' when I log on - why? |
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| 16:43.47 | rabies | !troll |
| 16:43.47 | dpkg | In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who posts rude or offensive messages on the Internet, such as in online discussion forums, to disrupt discussion or to upset its participants. "Troll" can also mean the message itself or be a verb meaning to post such messages. "Trolling" is also commonly used to describe the activity. Rule #1: Don't feed the troll. Rule #2: Really, don't feed the troll. Rule #3: See rule #1. |
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| 16:43.52 | pepin | anyone know whats up with receiving "Authentication failure" after the /etc/rc* scripts run??? |
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| 16:44.22 | themill | mrMoto: please take a break from #debian and be less noisy in future |
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| 16:46.51 | cahoot | one wonders if ircing facilitates outbursts of Tourettes |
| 16:48.17 | jelly | it seems to... your mother |
| 16:48.29 | jelly | !confuse me |
| 16:48.29 | dpkg | Yes, where are your mushroom today, jelly? Trousers of the Democracy of Tibet with extra cheese. |
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| 16:48.38 | SRabbelier | cahoot: lol, nice one |
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| 16:49.42 | rooisto471 | simonrvn: sorry it was deconnected |
| 16:50.01 | rooisto471 | we was speaking about mutimedia |
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| 16:52.15 | rooisto471 | so to get codecs I've to add deb http://debian-multimedia.org/ lenny(or testing ...) main and install each codec alone ? or just try playing a song or video and it will search for available codec automagically ? |
| 16:55.17 | blast_hardcheese | hates Grub2 |
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| 16:56.35 | gauge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:57.26 | amphi | gauge: why? |
| 16:57.36 | blast_hardcheese | gauge: Do you have a desktop environment on it? |
| 16:57.48 | gauge | no. just stumpm. |
| 16:58.10 | gauge | the screen truns blank, which is good, and that'll work. like I'll move my mouse and the screen'll come back. |
| 16:58.17 | blast_hardcheese | installs stumpwm |
| 16:58.25 | amphi | why do you think it's to do with sleep/suspend? |
| 16:58.26 | gauge | but I think I happens after a few hours. |
| 16:58.47 | gauge | amphi: I have no reason to. it;s just an asumption. |
| 16:59.07 | amphi | over-heating? |
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| 16:59.50 | gauge | doubt it. it's a 300mhx P2 laptop. and I've never ever had heat problems, and liek I said, I'm using stumpwm. I'm only useing 10% of the cpu ever. |
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| 17:00.33 | gauge | I'll try readign through dmesg. |
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| 17:04.51 | wvd | Where do I find passwords of users? /etc/passwd doesn't show the passwords? |
| 17:05.20 | petemc | wvd: the passwords arent stored in plaintext, you can reset someones password using the passwd command |
| 17:05.36 | wvd | k |
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| 17:09.50 | hecato | hi there, an app taht I can use for share folder via FTP with a mouse click? |
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| 17:16.07 | wvd | So I created a group and added an user, it says access denied, how does this come? |
| 17:16.42 | abrotman | denied when doing what? yu need to logout/login for the new group to take effect |
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| 17:21.40 | kuro_neko | I've created my own locale version and I'd like to know how can I set it on a per-user level. I know how to set it at global level (for all users, which is in /etc/default/locale), but not just for my own user. Setting it on my shell config file won't solve the issue since it won't work with graphical applications. |
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| 17:22.44 | cahoot | kuro_neko: tried dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 17:25.27 | kuro_neko | cahoot: doesn't that work at a global level (for all users)? |
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| 17:26.13 | kuro_neko | besides, the locale I created doesn't show up there (maybe because I copied it to /usr/lib/locale ) |
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| 17:31.20 | rooisto47 | is it normal that a base-system+openbox+openSSH use 230 Mo of RAM ? (no desktop environment) |
| 17:31.59 | rooisto47 | a think that it could use less of 230 Mo no ? |
| 17:32.03 | ix | is there any way I can measure a specific application's bandwith usage? |
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| 17:35.33 | acemi | rooisto47: is iceweasel running? |
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| 17:35.54 | rooisto47 | it wase but not no |
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| 17:36.42 | mifritscher | hi |
| 17:36.57 | CuriousCat | hi there! i'm having a problem with my new install of debian. |
| 17:37.00 | acemi | rooisto47: did you look at the second line of the 'free' output |
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| 17:37.13 | acemi | the used column |
| 17:37.19 | hedkandi | woah! why do I need 31 cds' to get debian? |
| 17:37.23 | hedkandi | ubuntu is like one! |
| 17:37.44 | mifritscher | Do I assume right that openvz wouldn't be supported in squeeze? |
| 17:37.49 | rooisto47 | acemi: and what does this inform ? |
| 17:38.03 | mifritscher | so... which alternatives can you sugest? |
| 17:38.14 | CuriousCat | installed debian using a usb drive (since my laptop's optical drive is busted). After a long install via the net, I rebooted, grub tried to load but said "error: file not found" and brought me to grub rescue prompt |
| 17:38.17 | acemi | this is the memory used without the caches |
| 17:38.53 | CuriousCat | realized that the mapping was all wrong. but i don't know how to fix it. |
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| 17:38.58 | rooisto47 | acemi: -/+ buffers/cash: 41176 474040 |
| 17:39.14 | acemi | then 41 M is used in reality |
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| 17:39.31 | rooisto47 | acemi: ?!!!! |
| 17:39.44 | rooisto47 | how why ?:) |
| 17:39.49 | CuriousCat | apparently it thinks the usb drive I used to install debian on the laptop harddrive was hd0 and the HD itself is hd1 |
| 17:40.06 | acemi | the other parts are for buffers and cache |
| 17:40.11 | CuriousCat | how do i fix this without having to reinstall debian? |
| 17:40.32 | CuriousCat | my laptop's dual booted btw |
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| 17:41.49 | rooisto47 | and why I have in the first line Mem: 515216 236864 278352 (isn't the ram use informations ?) |
| 17:42.09 | CuriousCat | help please? :( willing to repeat what i just said for the sake of those who just came in. |
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| 17:43.40 | ehnvis | CuriousCat: have you tried to google? |
| 17:43.41 | jamon | CuriousCat: edit your grub device.map and swap the drives |
| 17:43.48 | jamon | then update-grub |
| 17:43.59 | acemi | 230 is used to perform better but you don't need all to run your application. 41 M is enough |
| 17:44.00 | ircDon | All of my Java applications seem unable to use networking. It appears that IPv6 is the issue. How do I disable IPv6 in Sid? |
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| 17:44.15 | CuriousCat | ehnvis: yes. can't find an answer. |
| 17:44.45 | zord | hi! i now first to use debian 5 after verion 4. i wondering. where is dselect? i get a system with gnome like a live cd with software. how can i select packages from dvd? where is dselect? |
| 17:44.56 | CuriousCat | jamon: how do i edit the device.map? the "grub rescue" prompt doesn't have an edit command |
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| 17:46.02 | rooisto47 | acemi: ok thank you |
| 17:46.19 | acemi | np |
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| 17:48.49 | gauge | Oi, I need a distraction free writting enviroment. Is Vim the best choice to do my papers in? Recomendations? |
| 17:48.54 | rooisto47 | bye |
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| 17:50.14 | jpinx-eeepc | gauge: define "Distraction free" |
| 17:50.24 | amphi | cat |
| 17:50.32 | gauge | not OO and not vi |
| 17:50.47 | jpinx-eeepc | gauge: I use scite |
| 17:50.50 | CuriousCat | jamon: how do i edit the file from the "grub rescue" prompt? |
| 17:51.05 | gauge | jpinx-eeepc: thanks. |
| 17:51.06 | jpinx-eeepc | CuriousCat: hit "e" |
| 17:51.24 | zord | gauge: are you virgin? |
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| 17:51.31 | CuriousCat | jpinx-eeepc: i did that. It didn't work |
| 17:51.47 | gauge | zord: Really? |
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| 17:52.11 | jpinx-eeepc | !didn't work |
| 17:52.11 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions> and <errors>. |
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| 17:52.19 | CuriousCat | jpinx-eeepc: it's not showing the grub menu. it just gave me "error: file not found" then the "grub rescue" prompt. |
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| 17:53.22 | jpinx-eeepc | CuriousCat: ah - ok - that has dropped you into the grub shell I think - limited commands similare to bash |
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| 17:53.32 | jpinx-eeepc | CuriousCat: try "help"? |
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| 17:54.09 | jpinx-eeepc | has forgotten the command list for grub shell |
| 17:54.17 | maligor | gauge, papers? |
| 17:54.25 | CuriousCat | jpinx-eeepc: tried that as well. Nothing. All I know is that I found out so far is that it's grub2 and the commands have changed. |
| 17:54.46 | CuriousCat | jpinx-eeepc: but haven't found anything yet on how to edit the darn files. :( |
| 17:54.52 | jpinx-eeepc | CuriousCat: Eewww.. sorry dude - giyf ; |
| 17:55.39 | CuriousCat | jpinx-eeepc: unfortunately, google isn't helpful at the moment. :( sigh... |
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| 17:55.55 | maligor | gauge, I guess there isn't much difference in what editor you use for writing latex :P |
| 17:55.59 | gauge | yeah, I gota type a screenplay and a 10 page research paper on Martin Amis. I really should have done it all a while ago. I usualy type everything in writeroom o nmy mac, but being on a mac is a distraction in it's self. |
| 17:56.00 | maligor | unless you want wysiwyg |
| 17:56.43 | gauge | I was thinkign htere might be a nice Vim like editor out there for less coding work, and more typing focused. |
| 17:56.59 | jpinx-eeepc | gauge: scite works well - select the options you need (plain text, line numbers, wrap etc) |
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| 17:57.24 | maligor | scite is dreadful if you ask me |
| 17:57.33 | maligor | and it's programming oriented also |
| 17:57.39 | gauge | jpinx-eeepc: YEah, I've been readign scite's homepage. it looks nice. Though I might stick w/ Vim just because I have a nice theme (zenburn) and it's cli. |
| 17:58.02 | jpinx-eeepc | maligor: you just haven't learned how to use it |
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| 17:58.21 | maligor | jpinx-eeepc, I've learned how to use vim |
| 17:58.35 | jpinx-eeepc | maligor: it has a plain text option and lots of other stuff -- not just for coders |
| 17:58.41 | maligor | it just felt wrong |
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| 17:59.10 | maligor | they even attempted to turn me into emacs at the univ |
| 17:59.21 | zord | gauge: have you a photo from you where on the net? |
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| 17:59.29 | jpinx-eeepc | gauge: I work with about ten pages open at once for cross-referencing - it's easy |
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| 17:59.50 | gauge | zord Learn how to English |
| 17:59.52 | AimHere | Do you mean 'onto' emacs, or does RMS have some sort of secret undergrounds basement where nerds go in, and emacs comes out? |
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| 18:00.27 | AimHere | Emacs 22.6 ... is ... people! |
| 18:00.28 | gauge | AimHere: RMS and secret underground rooms = awesoem fanfic. |
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| 18:00.58 | amphi | < gauge> zord Learn how to English - heh, qotd? |
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| 18:02.07 | Xenguy | gauge: not everyone's first language is english |
| 18:02.08 | jpinx-eeepc | amphi: yep ;) |
| 18:02.18 | jelly | amphi: I was thinking the same about soylent green |
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| 18:03.32 | jelly | Broken the eight bit barrier! Next up: qotd258 |
| 18:03.32 | gauge | Xenguy: You right man. I know it was a low blow. I really should have just ignored him. I am a simply a petty man. |
| 18:03.46 | gauge | jelly: lol |
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| 18:05.57 | gauge | hmm.. the's a command for sleep right? I know in FreeBSD is zzz, bfor the life of me I just can'te recall it in debian though. |
| 18:06.02 | greycat | the qotd0 factoid isn't currently generating the whole range of numbers |
| 18:06.13 | greycat | gauge: man sleep |
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| 18:06.27 | jelly | greycat: well, they can be added in batches of ten |
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| 18:06.50 | jelly | greycat: so quick, make a qotd259 |
| 18:07.37 | greycat | well, someone just edited 258... |
| 18:08.29 | gauge | greycat: merci |
| 18:09.00 | jelly | greycat: right. Next up: qotd259 |
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| 18:11.27 | jelly | is it possible to build a 32bit (-686 -ish) kernel on an amd64 debian without a chroot? |
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| 18:14.31 | maligor | jelly, maybe defining ARCH? |
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| 18:16.37 | maligor | or apparently --arch for make-kpkg |
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| 18:31.24 | Niklas- | Is there a way to detect whats using a disk device? I'm trying to start an md raid device, but it keeps saying one of the physical disks are in use. I have checked mdstat, lvm, running processes and mounted partitions, nothing is using /dev/sdc |
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| 18:33.10 | SpeedyG | Niklas-: had a look at lsof output? |
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| 18:33.44 | greycat | Niklas-: the disk could be known by another name. |
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| 18:34.13 | Xenguy | Niklas-: also maybe 'fuser' could help, depending |
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| 18:35.26 | Niklas- | SpeedyG: checked lsof with lsof | grep sdc, and it came up with nothing |
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| 18:36.35 | Niklas- | greycat: the places i checked except lsof shows 0 disks in use |
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| 18:37.37 | ngomes | i upgraded from lenny to sid |
| 18:37.51 | ngomes | all ok , but kernel-headers from sid kernel arent there |
| 18:37.55 | ngomes | and i need it |
| 18:38.00 | ngomes | any help ? |
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| 18:38.20 | maligor | unfortunately it's pretty much channel policy not to help people using sid |
| 18:38.30 | greycat | griffon:~$ apt-cache show linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 18:38.30 | greycat | Package: linux-headers-2.6.31-1-686 |
| 18:38.32 | maligor | because if you use it, you should be prepared to fix it yourself |
| 18:38.33 | greycat | Looks present to me. |
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| 18:38.58 | ngomes | apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.31-1-686 |
| 18:39.04 | maligor | personally I just build my kernels with make-kpkg anyway |
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| 18:40.45 | ngomes | greycat try that command |
| 18:40.48 | ngomes | please |
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| 18:40.58 | greycat | No. You try it, and tell us what the problem is. |
| 18:41.07 | ngomes | not found |
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| 18:41.14 | ngomes | that s my problem |
| 18:41.14 | greycat | You mean 404? |
| 18:41.19 | ngomes | no |
| 18:41.30 | ngomes | E: Couldn't find package kernel-headers-2.6.31-1-686 |
| 18:41.43 | greycat | You typed the wrong name. |
| 18:41.49 | greycat | 13:38 greycat> Package: linux-headers-2.6.31-1-686 |
| 18:41.53 | ngomes | hmm |
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| 18:42.11 | ngomes | damn it :D |
| 18:42.16 | ngomes | thanks greycat |
| 18:42.27 | jelly | darn those debian people for constantly changing the conventions! |
| 18:42.39 | ngomes | ^ |
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| 18:48.53 | dirkson | Hey all. Does anyone know offhand how to give a particular user read access to everything? (Security issues are moot in this case, the user already knows the root password- This method merely simplifies my backup structure) |
| 18:49.05 | greycat | Make his UID 0. |
| 18:49.19 | greycat | Better, give him unlimited sudo power. |
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| 18:50.58 | dirkson | greycat: I should mention that he does not know how to linux, and I'm trying to give him sftp access. Making his uid 0 would work, I suppose, if two users could have the same uid, but then he'd also have write access to the backup, which means that he could potentially fuxxor it up, something else I wish to avoid. |
| 18:51.00 | maple1 | what's a good way to crush adderall xr beads so I can snort them? |
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| 18:51.11 | axyjo | hi all, is there a program (I don't mind something that's commandline based) that's similar to this: http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraphsketcher/? I've tried gnuplot, but I can't really picture myself using it for as many graphs as I intend to make. |
| 18:51.12 | greycat | Any number of users may have the same UID. |
| 18:51.13 | jelly | !ops maple1 trolling |
| 18:51.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: jelly complains about: maple1 trolling |
| 18:51.19 | dirkson | (The sftp thing means that sudo is basically useless, as I understand it) |
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| 18:51.30 | dirkson | greycat: Good to know. |
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| 18:53.22 | dirkson | This question equally stumped #linux. I'm vaguely surprised that there's no way to get this done. Admittedly, it's not a /common/ thing that needs to be done, but linux generally excels at doing uncommon things. |
| 18:53.41 | greycat | I gave you two answers, so it's hardly fair to say you stumped us. |
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| 18:54.37 | dirkson | greycat: Two answers that involve both reading /and/ writing. I wish to give reading, but keep writing. |
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| 18:54.45 | greycat | I'm just glad you said up front that you know how insecure it is. |
| 18:54.55 | greycat | dirkson: oh, you didn't say that. |
| 18:55.03 | dirkson | greycat: Probably should have, sorry :-/ |
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| 18:55.08 | entropy_ | how do i install python from ssh? |
| 18:55.11 | entropy_ | fastest way |
| 18:55.17 | greycat | there's no way to grant superuser read-only power without also granting the power to write. |
| 18:55.30 | dirkson | greycat: Yes, this is what I'm working out :D |
| 18:55.38 | greycat | entropy_: ssh root@debianbox apt-get install python |
| 18:55.53 | pandrew | hello! could anyone recommend some kind of indexing search tool for harddrives in linux? does something like this exist? |
| 18:56.05 | AimHere | dirkson, couldn't you use chgrp to give him the ability to read /dev/hdfoo or whatever, then let him write the utilities that parse the raw filesystem himself? |
| 18:56.31 | jelly | AimHere: eugh |
| 18:56.38 | AimHere | Yes, eugh |
| 18:56.40 | dirkson | AimHere: User can use FTP ^^ These are his limits. |
| 18:56.41 | AimHere | But it's a eugh question |
| 18:56.41 | greycat | I'm about 60% sure that was a joke. |
| 18:56.51 | dirkson | AimHere: Fair enough :D |
| 18:56.58 | jelly | bad taste! |
| 18:57.30 | AimHere | Hmmm |
| 18:57.52 | dirkson | I think the current best solution is to keep two backups, one with reasonable permissions, the other chown'd and chgrp'd to my FTP-using-boss's user. This isn't a particularly scalable solution, (takes 3x the space rather than 2x the space) but perhaps I can make it work. |
| 18:57.55 | greycat | Hmm, it does make me ponder mounting a file system read-only inside a chroot.... |
| 18:57.57 | AimHere | In fact, if it's just an ftp thing you want, would it be possible to remount the appropriate filesystems readonly somehwere? |
| 18:58.00 | jelly | somewhat nicer -- use a block device with snapshot functionality, make a snapshot, then backup _that_ |
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| 19:04.03 | jelly | "can't be done; sorry" |
| 19:04.18 | dirkson | AimHere: I think that's basically plan #2, and what I will try to get done. I've been pushing for an offsite backup from day 1, perhaps I can convince him there are technical reasons why an offsite backup has become needed. |
| 19:04.30 | jelly | "this can be done but will break things A and B and delay C" |
| 19:04.44 | greycat | It can be an on-site backup, too. Just rsync to another box and give him root on that box. |
| 19:04.51 | jelly | right |
| 19:04.54 | AimHere | Why not just tell him that if the building burns down, you'll lose all your mission critical data |
| 19:05.07 | greycat | AimHere: what, truth? how novel! |
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| 19:05.29 | AimHere | Hence offsite backups. And might as well have a running ftp server on there for all his nonexistent file download needs |
| 19:05.29 | dirkson | AimHere: Because I have. Many, many, many times. |
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| 19:05.37 | keith4 | if I need tomcat6 on a lenny box... better to SSB it, or pull a few packages from squeeze? |
| 19:05.46 | dirkson | AimHere: For the past... What? Two years? For the past two years I have been telling him this. |
| 19:06.10 | AimHere | Is your neighbourhood prone to floods? fires? earthquakes? volcanos? Riots? civil wars? |
| 19:06.19 | jelly | angry wives |
| 19:06.24 | dirkson | AimHere: Chicago is where the server is. There are tornados. |
| 19:06.24 | keith4 | "prone" to civil wars? hmmm |
| 19:06.29 | SpeedyG | dirkson: if he wants to do X, give him manual Y counting 1000+ pages and tell him there's no easier way ^_^ |
| 19:06.34 | greycat | And fires. Chicago's a fire town. |
| 19:06.48 | dirkson | SpeedyG: Clever! |
| 19:06.52 | Arrowmaster | unless your disaster recovery plan is to use the insurance money to move to a tropical island like some people i know of, an offsite backup is a requirement |
| 19:06.53 | jelly | keith4: some of us live in Balkans, for example |
| 19:06.56 | dirkson | greycat: Didn't they also have a mollasses flood once? Or was that another town? |
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| 19:07.06 | greycat | dirkson: I think that's Boston |
| 19:07.06 | keith4 | dirkson: that was Boston |
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| 19:07.12 | keith4 | what a way to go! |
| 19:07.14 | AimHere | Mafia. A few veiled 'give us money or an accident might happen to your mission critical data' threats might get through! |
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| 19:07.36 | AimHere | Either that, or he pays the protection money. It's a win-win |
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| 19:08.28 | dirkson | greycat: Ahhh, thanks. But who's to say it /couldn't/ happen in Chicago next time? ;) |
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| 19:09.06 | Arrowmaster | also an offsite backup is not offsite when it is located less than 1 mile away when located in tornado alley |
| 19:09.32 | dirkson | uses snippets of this conversation in yet another attempt to convince the boss of the need for offsite backups. |
| 19:09.34 | greycat | if it's underground, it's probably good. |
| 19:09.37 | Arrowmaster | also something true i know about |
| 19:09.43 | LittleDedPenguin | excellent use of a cold war bomb shelter |
| 19:09.57 | AimHere | Hello from the #debian room to all you good people out there in pointy haired boss-land! |
| 19:10.18 | jelly | !room |
| 19:10.19 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
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| 19:10.33 | AimHere | Hah |
| 19:10.39 | dirkson | (12/11/2009 11:03:52 AM) Dirkson: That was an onsite backup. |
| 19:10.39 | dirkson | (12/11/2009 11:04:02 AM) Boss: It was in a different room. |
| 19:10.39 | dirkson | (12/11/2009 11:04:11 AM) Dirkson: I'm sure the tornado will be very selective :D |
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| 19:12.09 | SpeedyG | dirkson: another room asin, next-door? :D |
| 19:12.14 | jelly | very pointy. |
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| 19:12.22 | dirkson | SpeedyG: Right next door. Like 20 feet. |
| 19:12.48 | SpeedyG | oh right.. asif that will save the day in case of a tornado ^_^ |
| 19:13.05 | jhutchins_lt | Or a fire. |
| 19:13.06 | SpeedyG | sorry to say, your boss seems to be an idiot to me :) |
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| 19:13.19 | greycat | Or a large meteor. |
| 19:13.33 | jhutchins_lt | Might work for smaller meteors. |
| 19:13.35 | dirkson | SpeedyG: He is... difficult to work with sometimes. |
| 19:13.55 | dirkson | SpeedyG: Although I've made some decent inroads into getting him to use CSS instead of tables. |
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| 19:16.41 | DogBoy | gah, tried installing boxee --it says they have a version for linux on their site |
| 19:16.50 | DogBoy | but then I find out it's for ubuntu |
| 19:16.51 | DogBoy | doh |
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| 19:17.07 | DogBoy | fired |
| 19:17.33 | SpeedyG | well, ubuntu runs on linux as well.. it's just too bad its ubuntu ^_^ |
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| 19:20.43 | peter_12 | Does anyone know a way to find a clever debian sys admin type for an hour or two of support related to creating apt repositories? |
| 19:21.22 | LittleDedPenguin | offer copious amount of cash |
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| 19:22.46 | ganymede | is there a way to simulate a physical disconnection and reconnection of a USB device on a computer that i don't have physical access to? i only have ssh access but i think a certain USB device is acting up so i'd like to disconnect and reconnect it |
| 19:22.51 | greycat | Or pizza/nachos/doughnuts/beer/.... |
| 19:23.22 | greycat | ganymede: you can try removing and reloading the driver module |
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| 19:23.48 | paissad-hp | hi all |
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| 19:24.11 | paissad-hp | is it possible that rules into hosts.deny to be read 1st before hosts.allow |
| 19:24.25 | Fluor | I have set up a minimal system and I want to run a few gui apps via vncserver (a headless server). However I installed icewm and I decided to remove it and install metacity instead. Now all icons are "gone/blank". Any pointers to what to check for? |
| 19:24.35 | paissad-hp | so that if an ip is present on that 2 files, it's allowed |
| 19:24.37 | ganymede | greycat, i have tired that but i think maybe the USB device itself goes through some initialization when it gets plugged in. can i maybe deactivate a USB port altogether by removing usb modules themselves? (maybe i need to power down the USB device which is plugged in) |
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| 19:26.58 | greycat | if unloading/loading the driver module(s) doesn't work, then I doubt you can do it remotely. other than possibly by rebooting, but that seems like something you didn't want to do |
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| 19:27.48 | ganymede | maybe i can send out a robot to do it |
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| 19:28.25 | karrotx | i just upgraded from squirrelmail-1.4.9a-3 to a-5 and now i'm getting: You must be logged in to access this page. |
| 19:28.45 | karrotx | i've searched google and there seems to be a problem with php but everything was functional prior to the upgrade |
| 19:28.51 | karrotx | has anyone had experience with this? |
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| 19:32.31 | karrotx | anyone? |
| 19:32.45 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 19:33.19 | themill | karrotx: try cleaning your cookies for that site |
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| 19:34.33 | tuxcrafter | hi all |
| 19:34.37 | tuxcrafter | http://debian.pastebin.com/d2e2e2722 |
| 19:34.52 | tuxcrafter | is that the right way to use the interface systems with iproute systems? |
| 19:35.01 | tuxcrafter | it works but is it the best way? |
| 19:35.03 | karrotx | themill: did not work |
| 19:35.28 | karrotx | new machines that have never visited the squirrelmail page get the same error |
| 19:35.28 | ganymede | greycat, thanks for the advice |
| 19:35.40 | themill | karrotx: :( that's a common issue when session stuff is changed. |
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| 19:37.19 | dirkson | works out a way to get the backup done exactly as his boss wants while, at the same time, getting the boss to agree to an offsite backup for the first time in two years. Kick ass. |
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| 19:38.03 | karrotx | is there a way to specify which package you want to install? |
| 19:38.08 | ian6 | I've built a couple source packages... is there a way to get debian to stop trying to replace them on apt-get upgrade and still be able to see when updates for them have been released? |
| 19:40.11 | greycat | ian6: well, for the first part, you can put them on hold. |
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| 19:41.13 | SpeedyG | dirkson: nice :) |
| 19:42.06 | dirkson | SpeedyG: Unfortunately, I couldn't get him to agree to buy me a an additional hard drive for the offsite. *deletes things* |
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| 19:42.53 | aurele | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_(politics) |
| 19:43.05 | SpeedyG | dirkson: well, you've gotta start somewhere innit? ^_^ |
| 19:43.05 | aurele | fronton de mairie volé !!! |
| 19:43.25 | dirkson | SpeedyG: Aye. |
| 19:43.30 | greycat | aurele: this channel is for Debian support, in English. |
| 19:43.55 | aurele | hum ... excuse ... I mismatch |
| 19:44.03 | dirkson | aurele: greycat: However, that was awesome in its randomness. |
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| 19:44.15 | aurele | but that will not please some french here ;) |
| 19:44.52 | greycat | So you're intentionally trolling? |
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| 19:45.14 | aurele | greycat ... no |
| 19:45.27 | aurele | I am under a debian like |
| 19:45.41 | ian6 | greycat: putting them on hold shows me they're being held back even when there are no updates. Will it still show me the updates? |
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| 19:46.00 | dirkson | likes debian too ^.^ |
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| 19:46.04 | greycat | I don't know how to get it to inform you of available updates. |
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| 19:46.11 | ian6 | greycat: ... I mean my problem basically is that debian is (for whatever reason) seeing packages with the exact same name and version as the pre-built packages, and is trying to replace them. |
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| 19:46.22 | ian6 | it *seems* like that's something I should be able to do :) |
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| 19:46.55 | Borg | could anyone point me how to restrict process viewing of users to hide other users' processes from other users? kernel options perhaps? |
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| 19:47.28 | abrotman | does selinux do that? |
| 19:47.32 | greycat | Borg: kernel hackery. |
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| 19:47.58 | Borg | greycat, could you perhaps point me in the right direction of what files to edit or perhaps a URL cause I'm not having much luck with this |
| 19:48.50 | greycat | Borg: you find out what the name of the special l33t kiddie suite is (maybe it's selinux like abrotman said) and then you read about it. |
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| 19:49.50 | Borg | l33t kiddie? what does that have to do with this? |
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| 19:50.45 | Borg | so basically if I wanna do this I gotta go find another OS, grab kernel & start guessing what will work and what won't |
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| 19:52.24 | Borg | seriously this can't be that much of a pain in the balls just to change one little thing like ps permissions |
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| 19:54.03 | abrotman | Borg: selinux is in debian |
| 19:54.04 | abrotman | !selinux |
| 19:54.04 | dpkg | somebody said selinux was NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3, or http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
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| 19:58.27 | jhutchins_lt | Borg: Perhaps what you think is trivial is actually fairly complex and obscure. |
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| 19:59.04 | cdog69 | my crontab doesnt SEEM to be working properly. I have a bash script that I created. Its contents is mysqldump --user cbeyer --password=xxx nkaddorg > /var/sqldump/dailySqlDump.dump |
| 19:59.06 | cdog69 | the cronjob that is suppose to run every 15 minutes is set up as 0,15,30,45 * * * * /var/www/site/cronjobs/sqlDump.sh |
| 19:59.08 | cdog69 | when I run the mysqldump from a bash prompt, it works. When it is run via cron (i have verified that cron is running the script), the file does not appear as it should. Am I missing something? |
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| 20:02.47 | jhutchins_lt | cdog69: Using full path in cron? |
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| 20:02.57 | cdog69 | what does that mean? |
| 20:03.04 | zhando | squeeze installation halts on unauthenticated package (busybox) how to tweak? |
| 20:03.24 | jhutchins_lt | cdog69: means I'm not paying attention. |
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| 20:03.54 | cdog69 | hehe, i believe i am using full paths in each file... |
| 20:04.00 | jhutchins_lt | cdog69: Actually... try the full path to mysqldump, see if that helps. |
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| 20:06.30 | jhutchins_lt | cdog69: Also, */15 |
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| 20:07.54 | cdog69 | jhutchins_lt: the full path to mysqldump did not work either |
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| 20:08.47 | Borg | hmm, well this is not so useful. the selinux.sourceforge.net URL provided is roasted. |
| 20:09.04 | Borg | only support is the wiki? |
| 20:09.12 | Borg | wthhhh |
| 20:09.57 | cdog69 | I am running it as root, so i know its not a permissions problem, cant think of what else it could be |
| 20:10.21 | jhutchins_lt | is it in root's crontab? |
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| 20:12.06 | cdog69 | yes, it is |
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| 20:12.32 | joel__ | Is anyone else getting a lot of 404's from aptitude when trying to update? |
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| 20:13.31 | jhutchins_lt | cdog69: File is executable, works when called from command line? |
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| 20:14.11 | cdog69 | file is executable?? |
| 20:14.13 | cdog69 | Yes, when I run the mysqldump command from shell prompt, it works and creates the file |
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| 20:14.25 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, but does the batch file run from the command line? |
| 20:14.32 | soopos | How can you see ids of processes running at different ring-levels at the given ring level? |
| 20:14.38 | cdog69 | what does that mean? |
| 20:14.43 | cdog69 | oh i see |
| 20:14.46 | cdog69 | let me see |
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| 20:15.48 | cdog69 | ah ha! |
| 20:15.55 | cdog69 | how do i make that file run? |
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| 20:17.09 | cdog69 | ah, i see |
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| 20:24.21 | greycat | Ah, I seem to have landed on the "right"side of the netsplit this time. |
| 20:24.27 | greycat | Right as the netsplit ends. Jesus. |
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| 20:25.32 | valdyn | soopos: since when do processes in linux run in different ring levels? |
| 20:25.35 | what | eh |
| 20:25.47 | jhutchins_lt | cdog69: Got it? |
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| 20:26.11 | greycat | From the other side of the netsplit, magesing is trying to get his sound device working. PCI ID 8086:3b02 and kmuto's page is blank concerning kernel support for it. |
| 20:26.16 | cdog69 | jhutchins_lt: yes sir. That did, make the bash script executable, duh. Thank you :) |
| 20:26.21 | heoa | Some pruning needed? wget -m --no-parent -p -H http://users.actcom.co.il/~choo/lupg/tutorials/ |
| 20:26.39 | heoa | i want to read some tutorials offline |
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| 20:26.50 | jhutchins_lt | cdog69: Also good practice to make the first line of the file #! /bin/sh (or /bin/bash or whatever). |
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| 20:27.07 | cdog69 | jhutchins_lt; yes, that part I did :) |
| 20:27.12 | jhutchins_lt | Great! |
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| 20:27.19 | magesing | yes... after some searching I found my board on ASUS' site... they arn't destributing a linux driver |
| 20:27.19 | what | tagged and bagged cdog69 |
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| 20:27.32 | valdyn | judd: pciid 8086:3b02 |
| 20:27.32 | cdog69 | tagged and bagged, thanks |
| 20:27.34 | judd | valdyn: [8086:3b02] is '5 Series Chipset LPC Interface Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b02 |
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| 20:27.57 | keith4 | nobody? if I need tomcat6 on a lenny box... better to SSB it, or pull a few packages from squeeze? |
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| 20:28.09 | greycat | keith4: backporting is always preferred |
| 20:28.22 | jelly-home | magesing: what is the device supposed to be all about? |
| 20:28.25 | keith4 | greycat: why? |
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| 20:28.40 | greycat | keith4: so you don't have a half-lenny half-squeeze shambling abomination |
| 20:28.42 | jelly-home | keith4: dependency hell |
| 20:28.43 | eitan | Does anyone know where I can find a page of information on the differences between Lenny and Squeeze (or what's new in Squeeze?) |
| 20:28.57 | greycat | squeeze isn't RELEASED yet. |
| 20:29.04 | magesing | jelly-home: it's supposed to be a sound card |
| 20:29.08 | eitan | right... what will be new/different |
| 20:29.12 | greycat | !squeeze |
| 20:29.12 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. Expected to be released in early 2010, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729. See also <squeeze kernel>. |
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| 20:29.22 | magesing | jelly-home: it's built into my ASUS P7P55D LE motherboard |
| 20:29.24 | jelly-home | I wonder... |
| 20:29.25 | keith4 | greycat: "shambling abomination". nice. what if it were a nimbly sprinting abomination? ;-) |
| 20:29.29 | jelly-home | !squeeze release notes |
| 20:29.48 | keith4 | greycat: jelly-home: k, thanks |
| 20:29.55 | jelly-home | magesing: care to pastebin the whole of lspci and lspci -n? |
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| 20:30.05 | magesing | jelly-home: no problem |
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| 20:31.58 | magesing | jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m4d2ef4d4 |
| 20:32.13 | themill | ("lspci -nn" ftw) |
| 20:32.23 | cdog69 | is this accurate for noon and midnight in cron? |
| 20:32.24 | cdog69 | * 0,12 * * * 'execute this file' |
| 20:32.26 | magesing | the only expansion card I have plugged into my new mobo. is my Nvidia card |
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| 20:32.36 | magesing | the rest is on the board |
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| 20:33.49 | jelly-home | magesing: now... Id guess 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Ibex Peak High Definition Audio (rev 05) to be the audio card. |
| 20:33.54 | themill | judd pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 20:33.55 | judd | themill: [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 |
| 20:34.10 | jelly-home | what judd said. |
| 20:34.11 | themill | gah |
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| 20:34.29 | eitan | greycat: thank you... apparently there are no release notes yet for what's new |
| 20:34.45 | jelly-home | magesing: you may or may not be lucky with the 2.6.30 kernel from backports, or you could build your own newest vanilla kernel |
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| 20:35.42 | magesing | jelly-home: is there a clean way to install just the kernel from backports? When I try to do such things in Debian I usually end up confusing aptitude like mad |
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| 20:36.33 | jelly-home | magesing: backports are created in such a way to minimize the additional dependencies introduced |
| 20:36.34 | jelly-home | !bpo |
| 20:36.34 | dpkg | backports.org is a semi-official repository of <backports> for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions . A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free. Once added, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update. See also <bpo mirrors> <bpo contents>. |
| 20:36.45 | jelly-home | judd: kernels |
| 20:36.46 | judd | jelly-home: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+1); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 20:44.04 | tryfan | hey all, I'm installing lenny from netinst on a dell r710, using 2 hardware raid1 arrays. /boot is /dev/sda1 everything else is in lvm. Weird thing is, it doesn't even get to grub. It just stops when it should get to grub. Any tips on how to figure this out? Already checked boot orders and re-installed grub |
| 20:44.16 | greycat | cdog69: no. 0 0,12 * * * |
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| 20:44.48 | magesing | jelly-home: what is the name of the backports package(s) I need to install to get my 2.6.30 kernel? |
| 20:44.56 | valdyn | magesing: your soundcard needs only a small kernel patch i think |
| 20:45.07 | valdyn | magesing: but its probably just to new |
| 20:45.35 | magesing | valdyn: yes... I need to find a patch, get the kernel sources, build the kernel and configure grub to boot the kernel with my audio drivers |
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| 20:45.39 | peter_12 | How do I create a Contents-i386.gz file for a apt repository? |
| 20:45.42 | magesing | valdyn: so far I'm looking for a kernel patch |
| 20:45.46 | valdyn | magesing: "find" ? |
| 20:45.49 | valdyn | magesing: you need to write it |
| 20:46.15 | magesing | valdyn: ok. 1) I need to figure out how to write a sound card driver 2) I need to patch it into the kernel |
| 20:46.30 | jelly-home | magesing: linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (if you're using a 32bit installation) |
| 20:46.33 | valdyn | magesing: no you dont need to figure out how to write a sound card driver |
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| 20:46.37 | groton | any tool like ProcessMonitor for Linux? It does list all the accessed file on a directory. |
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| 20:46.50 | valdyn | magesing: you can write that patch, i will show you |
| 20:46.54 | magesing | jelly-home: I'm 64bit, but now that I know I'm looking fot the linux-image packages I'll find it |
| 20:46.56 | greycat | groton: look at lsof and fuser for starters |
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| 20:47.06 | valdyn | magesing: but i cant guarantee if it will work, i just believe it should work |
| 20:47.22 | maligor | groton, lsof maybe? |
| 20:47.22 | jelly-home | magesing: right, it's just the flavor changes to -amd64 then |
| 20:47.23 | groton | greycat, cool, thanks |
| 20:47.27 | valdyn | magesing: read http://fixunix.com/kernel/519422-patch-2-6-26-2-hda_intel-alsa-hd-audio-patch-intel-ibex-peak-deviceids.html |
| 20:47.54 | valdyn | magesing: + { PCI_DEVICE(0x8086, 0x3b56), .driver_data = AZX_DRIVER_ICH } is responsible for adding support for another ibex peak soundcard |
| 20:48.13 | valdyn | magesing: you can hand edit the source for your own soundcard |
| 20:48.29 | magesing | valdyn: aaah ok |
| 20:48.33 | valdyn | magesing: if this already sound to complesx - forget it |
| 20:49.11 | magesing | valdyn: I've done some pretty crazy hacks to get my wacom tablet working back in the day before they made that easy |
| 20:49.31 | valdyn | magesing: you will know that you did the right edit when the driver loads automatically |
| 20:49.43 | valdyn | magesing: if it doesnt work then thoug - tough luck, the chip needs a little more work |
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| 20:50.17 | valdyn | magesing: and after or if you did it successfully, submit a patch to the lkml |
| 20:50.42 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 20:52.51 | ruben23 | hi |
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| 20:56.59 | magesing | valdyn: first step... I'm going to see if the backports 2.6.30 kernel automagically makes it work |
| 20:56.59 | magesing | valdyn: next I'll get back to that kernel patch |
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| 20:56.59 | magesing | valdyn: so if I'm reading this right, my problem is that the kernel is not associating my soundcard with a driver... and if I get it to link my soundcard with AZX_DRIVER_ICH I should be able to get it to at least try to play sound |
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| 20:56.59 | magesing | rebooting into my new backported kernel... here's hoping for the best |
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| 20:58.55 | alnr | i'm using debootstrap. how do i init? eg if i run say, init 2 in the chooted environment, i get init: timeout opening/writing control channel /dev/initctl. (i dont see initctl in /dev). |
| 20:58.55 | valdyn | alnr: dont even try.. |
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| 21:00.28 | maligor | alnr, that might cause a interesting crashes if you did succeed |
| 21:00.43 | maligor | chroot isn't a virtual system |
| 21:01.26 | nsadmin | and doesn't have its own "process #1" much less its own process table |
| 21:02.05 | magesing | Hi everyone... just to let you know the backports 2.6.30 kernel did get my soundcard working... kindof. I get sound but only three sliders in alsamixer, MASTER, PCM, and CAPTURE... Not full support, but enough for me for now |
| 21:03.32 | maligor | magesing, what card is it? |
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| 21:03.50 | greycat | Goat Audio. |
| 21:04.08 | nsadmin | baaaa |
| 21:04.09 | greycat | 15:07 magesing> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation Ibex Peak LPC Interface Controller [8086:3b02] (rev 05) |
| 21:04.30 | jelly-home | no, the other one |
| 21:04.59 | nsadmin | judd pciid 8086:3b02 |
| 21:05.00 | jelly-home | 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Ibex Peak High Definition Audio (rev 05) [8086:3b56] |
| 21:05.01 | judd | nsadmin: [8086:3b02] is '5 Series Chipset LPC Interface Controller' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b02 |
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| 21:05.11 | jelly-home | nsadmin: we've already been through that |
| 21:05.18 | greycat | I don't have any other lspci -nn from him. :( |
| 21:05.36 | greycat | Maybe it was lost in a netsplit. |
| 21:05.39 | jelly-home | <magesing> jelly-home: http://pastebin.com/m4d2ef4d4 |
| 21:05.50 | greycat | Ah, well THAT doesn't help either. |
| 21:05.59 | nsadmin | judd pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 21:06.00 | judd | nsadmin: [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 |
| 21:06.06 | maligor | I prefer lspci -nn |
| 21:06.07 | jelly-home | nsadmin: we've alreday been throught that too! |
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| 21:06.36 | jelly-home | srsly, I type as if I were drunk |
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| 21:06.40 | greycat | It's hard to find 8086:* in /lastlog if it was never put directly into the channel. |
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| 21:07.02 | jelly-home | greycat: but it was. Find a lessplitting node |
| 21:07.04 | maligor | so it's just another Intel HDA |
| 21:07.12 | jelly-home | yes |
| 21:07.23 | greycat | jelly-home: This is my third connection to Freenode today. :( |
| 21:07.52 | magesing | maligor: intel ibex |
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| 21:08.18 | maligor | magesing, inconsequential, it's intel hda interface connected to some codec |
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| 21:08.43 | magesing | maligor: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation Ibex Peak High Definition Audio (rev 05) to be more precise |
| 21:08.51 | aaron- | hey i have a question how can i connect to a wireless by terminal? |
| 21:09.03 | dvinchi | iwconfig |
| 21:09.11 | aaron- | iwconfig what? |
| 21:09.12 | dvinchi | or something li ke that |
| 21:09.21 | dvinchi | man iwconfig |
| 21:09.38 | SpeedyG | connect to a wireless what? |
| 21:09.45 | aaron- | connection |
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| 21:09.51 | greycat | One presumes he means "a wireless network". |
| 21:09.54 | jess^ | lol. |
| 21:10.03 | greycat | But who knows.... |
| 21:10.10 | nsadmin | I want to be in the sea part of the sea |
| 21:10.10 | aaron- | right |
| 21:10.18 | SpeedyG | exactly greycat ! :) |
| 21:10.30 | magesing | maligor: I also have no clue what an intel hda interface is |
| 21:10.54 | greycat | "hda" seems to stand for "High Definition Audio" based on your lspci |
| 21:11.06 | maligor | magesing, it's a stupid mistake, the alsa drivers get quite a lot of changes every once in a while to them |
| 21:11.10 | SpeedyG | and google just confirmed that ^_^ |
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| 21:11.13 | magesing | aaron-: I suggest installing wicd, it has a curses interface wicd-curses for connecting to networks from the command line |
| 21:11.19 | maligor | magesing, so a newer kernel might help, or a newer alsa |
| 21:11.32 | aaron- | naw i don't like wicd |
| 21:11.44 | greycat | what the fuck. |
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| 21:12.19 | magesing | maligor: yeah, the newer kernel got me some sound with MASTER PCM and CAP... I'll just let it fix its self over the next several months as updates to the kernel and alsa happen |
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| 21:12.51 | jelly-home | that's the standard procedure |
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| 21:13.42 | maligor | magesing, the driver is essentially a huge collection of quirks and specific configurations |
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| 21:17.56 | tryfan | hey all, I'm installing lenny from netinst on a dell r710, using 2 hardware raid1 arrays. /boot is /dev/sda1 everything else is in lvm. Weird thing is, it doesn't even get to grub. It just stops when it should get to grub. Any tips on how to figure this out? Already checked boot orders and re-installed grub |
| 21:18.31 | tryfan | I read something here: http://www.linux-archive.org/debian-user/286791-debian-can-not-boot-raid-1-a.html |
| 21:18.45 | tryfan | it suggests that something is wrong with booting from raid-1 using perc 6 |
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| 21:19.07 | tryfan | it's exactly the same problem I have, but no the thread died |
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| 21:19.47 | jelly-home | tryfan: have you tried using an installer with updated kernel already? /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 21:21.43 | jelly-home | I'm not well acquainted with dell hw raid controllers. How do you configure the order of arrays presented to BIOS? How do you tell it which one should be booted from? |
| 21:21.53 | tryfan | jelly-home: the installer isn't the problem...it boots from CD just fine, and it's using the latest packages from a debian mirror |
| 21:22.28 | magesing | not as good as I'd hoped... playback works but recording does not. I guess I'll need to fix my sound drivers a bit better if I want to use skype from this box |
| 21:22.36 | tryfan | I've booted into rescue mode, and sda is always the one with the boot partition on it...I don't even get to the initrd |
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| 21:22.46 | greycat | or stick a better-supported sound card in it |
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| 21:22.50 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:23.17 | eptalon | Is there a way to get bluetooth (esp. file-exchange) to work in sid? |
| 21:23.18 | Pippo1 | sure you installed in the mbr? |
| 21:23.32 | tryfan | Pippo1: yes, I did it 3 times now |
| 21:23.39 | maligor | eptalon, try blueman |
| 21:23.42 | tryfan | Pippo1: I'm going to try again |
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| 21:24.32 | dreamer | hmmm, been a while since I was behind this laptop. last time I was unable to get X to display the full resolution of the screen, the max mode xrandr for instance can see is 800x600, I added a 16 bit mode with 1024x768 in xorg.conf, but it doens't use it, it's a Trident Cyber 9525 (iirc), and I'm currently using te vesa driver because the trident driver doesn't display fullscreen |
| 21:24.33 | maligor | eptalon, the fil-exchange what you probably want is 'obex' |
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| 21:25.08 | Pippo1 | couse if you install grub in some partition then you have to chain load it |
| 21:25.48 | nsadmin | grub can't all fit in the mbr... |
| 21:26.00 | nsadmin | stage1 does |
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| 21:26.16 | nsadmin | I usually chainload stage2 |
| 21:26.36 | abrotman | probably needs grub2 ? |
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| 21:27.42 | eptalon | nsadmin: I haven't had such probs. |
| 21:27.50 | odla | anyone had success annotating a pdf? i can't seem to find a program that works |
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| 21:28.16 | Pippo1 | ye but there must be something to load in mbr |
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| 21:29.12 | Pippo1 | and if stage1 is inside some partition it wont work, unless mbr chainload to it |
| 21:29.14 | alnr | valdyn: maligor: re chroot, its not a virtual sys but i'm curious how far the simulation can be pushed. anyway maybe there is another way to start up the servers that are defined in init.d? |
| 21:29.43 | valdyn | alnr: chroot does not "simulate" anything |
| 21:29.56 | valdyn | alnr: another way than what? |
| 21:29.59 | maligor | alnr, you can start daemons in a chroot |
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| 21:30.01 | alnr | init |
| 21:30.07 | valdyn | alnr: just dont use init. |
| 21:30.11 | maligor | it's however not a security feature |
| 21:30.15 | valdyn | alnr: services are started as usual |
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| 21:30.38 | alnr | i imagine init calls something else (initscripts), that processes the tables built by sysv-rc |
| 21:30.45 | alnr | initscript?* |
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| 21:31.14 | valdyn | alnr: that leads a little to far, explaining the whole init system, why dont you read the manpage? |
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| 21:31.52 | alnr | valdyn: ok. i just started from that maybe init should actually work w/o getting that error if i had /dev set up properly |
| 21:32.07 | valdyn | alnr: no it wouldnt, using init in a chroot is nonsense |
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| 21:33.40 | jelly-home | what is alnr trying to do? |
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| 21:33.40 | tryfan | Pippo1: re-installed grub from grub cmd line, everything looks good, but it still dies |
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| 21:33.40 | valdyn | jelly-home: he didnt say |
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| 21:34.28 | alnr | i'm experimenting with debootstrap. as a way to run a self contained lenny system in a deb vps. and then being able to distribute it to other vpses |
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| 21:34.44 | greycat | !vps |
| 21:34.44 | dpkg | methinks vps is Virtual Private Server, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_server |
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| 21:35.11 | greycat | If that's like vmware, then a chroot is NOT that. |
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| 21:35.19 | valdyn | alnr: use virtualisation or make the "chroot" your primary root |
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| 21:35.36 | maligor | maybe containers? |
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| 21:36.19 | alnr | i have a vew vps, some zen, some openvz, and i have to conifugre each separately. with a debootstrap, i can run the same environment on all of them and i only have to set it up once |
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| 21:36.40 | valdyn | alnr: you can do all you want |
| 21:36.49 | valdyn | alnr: theres no reason why you would need init |
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| 21:37.46 | alnr | valdyn: yes i guess i can script the startup of daemons but i thought i might just call whatever normals runs the init.d scripts at startup. |
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| 21:38.05 | Pippo1 | tryfan: let find out if there's something wrong in the way you installed grub: test if it boots from a pendrive with grub |
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| 21:38.27 | peter_12 | "apt-file update" doesn't seem to pull in my Contents-i386.gz file from my local apt repository. I can do "apt-get install" from my local apt repository no problem. Any reason why "apt-file update" doesn't seem to work? |
| 21:38.55 | tryfan | Pippo1: http://en.community.dell.com/forums/t/19286249.aspx |
| 21:38.55 | valdyn | alnr: like "run-parts /etc/rc2.d" |
| 21:38.58 | tryfan | Pippo1: looks like this guy had the same problem I did |
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| 21:39.13 | valdyn | alnr: except that that isnt going to work if the main system already has those services running |
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| 21:39.39 | alnr | valdyn: tx, thats probably it |
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| 21:40.12 | tryfan | Pippo1: of course...his solution sucks |
| 21:40.16 | alnr | right, so eg i have mysql inside on a differetn port, etc. or i might use use mysql on the main system |
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| 21:41.02 | alnr | i want to keep everything in the choort, than i can just plop this folder onto any vps, almost no config at all |
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| 21:41.49 | Pippo1 | are you able to boot from grub's command line? |
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| 21:44.54 | eitan | bye all... thanks |
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| 21:45.11 | Pippo1 | tryfan: copy stage1 and stage2 in a pendrive. then try to boot off the command line |
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| 21:47.28 | dreamer | hmmm, back on the drident driver: xrandr sees much more modes, but still the 1024x768 one does not appear |
| 21:47.36 | Pippo1 | tryfan: if works then you should install grub on harddisk in some other way |
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| 21:48.33 | TheJoe | Bah. I can never understand why PulseAudio sometimes disconnects and refuses to connect again |
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| 21:48.48 | dreamer | TheJoe: nobody understands pulseaudio |
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| 21:50.05 | starenka_ | hi, i've just got lenny onto my g1 android... hm im just wondering how to kill mc (i dont have f keys there), i tried kill pid, but unsucesfully.. i dont have killall installed |
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| 21:54.04 | tryfan | Pippo1: a post I read said to install grub on the other array...very weird |
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| 21:55.12 | alnr | valdyn: re making the choort primary thats an interesting idea. so just point the main fstab at it. curious how that will work on a vps, its a nice alternative to depending on the build provided by the vps provider |
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| 21:55.26 | dreamer | TheJoe: but with it, things are just weird .. they've improved somewhat, but still strange bugs arise .. and a lot of OSS people for instance are really anoyed haha |
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| 21:55.27 | dreamer | TheJoe: I've met plenty of audio developers that stay very much away from pulse, especially people using jack |
| 21:55.27 | dreamer | hmmmm, why does the trident-driver suck so much :( |
| 21:55.27 | tryfan | Pippo1: looks like it's a mismatch between what array is first to Dell, in order to boot, and what array is first to debian, which keeps trying to make a usb key sda |
| 21:55.28 | kosamui | starenka: if you cannot kill by pid, why do you think you could kill by killall |
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| 21:55.31 | abrotman | kosamui: he just said he doesn't have killall |
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| 21:55.32 | ansu | hii, i am trying to install debian from usb with a combination of cd iso and the boot.img.gz package. On setting up boot.img.gz my usb runs out of diskspace. Actually my usb is 2 gb. this leaves no 600 mb space for my iso.i dont want to use netinstall or business card. Will creating a partition solve the problem |
| 21:55.33 | tarzeau | anyone with an ultrasparc in here? |
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| 21:55.33 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 21:55.33 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 21:55.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: there's the sparc channel on OFTC |
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| 21:55.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: ah right, thanks |
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| 21:56.24 | kosamui | abrotman: starenka does not answer, so for me topic android is finished. |
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| 21:57.28 | zinx | "debian" on Android isn't really Debian anyway |
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| 21:57.31 | ansu | Abrotman, i went through it all. My doubt is will partitioning usb allows me to have enough space for cd iso. |
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| 21:58.25 | abrotman | ansu: did you read the 'flexible' instructions ? |
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| 21:58.35 | abrotman | zinx: i think he's saying he installed real debian ? |
| 21:58.44 | zinx | abrotman: he didn't |
| 21:58.54 | abrotman | zinx: this is impossible? |
| 21:58.56 | rvsjoen | i'm experiencing issues trying to install the 64-bit netinstall, the 32-bit installs fine but the 64 bit one doesnt even load syslinux |
| 21:58.56 | zinx | abrotman: he installed real debian packages in a chroot |
| 21:59.09 | starenka_ | ok, the question was how to simulate fkeys in mc, the answer is esc+key, thanks ;) |
| 21:59.32 | EagleRock | yeah, the debian OS runs as a chroot under the android busybox shell |
| 21:59.35 | zinx | (and right now, he's talking about his Android terminal emulator, not the hardware or debian) |
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| 22:00.03 | EagleRock | still, considering you can run X and whatever GUI you want, that's pretty complete to me |
| 22:00.09 | rvsjoen | is that even the correct image for a intel core i7 q720 ? |
| 22:00.12 | zinx | you can't run X |
| 22:00.20 | zinx | the init scripts don't run |
| 22:00.41 | zinx | the terminal emulator is an Android app |
| 22:00.52 | abrotman | rvsjoen: which netinst did you use? |
| 22:00.57 | rvsjoen | ia64 |
| 22:00.58 | zinx | etc etc, it's not real Debian, no matter how much you think it is :P |
| 22:01.01 | abrotman | WHY?! |
| 22:01.09 | abrotman | doesn't anyone actually read the descriptions? |
| 22:01.15 | abrotman | rvsjoen: you want i386 or amd64 |
| 22:01.27 | starenka_ | sorry for OT |
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| 22:01.52 | rvsjoen | amd64 for an intel cpu ? I dont find that very logical |
| 22:02.14 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/ports/ |
| 22:02.26 | abrotman | that's fine .. you can spend all day trying to boot ia64 on your amd64 CPU .. have fun |
| 22:02.28 | EagleRock | zinx: I've seen LXDE and KDE running off of android, but it requires you jailbreaking the phone |
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| 22:02.35 | EagleRock | you can't use the terminal emulator app |
| 22:02.40 | zinx | starenka_: in the future, you might try #android-root, #cyanogenmod (if you're using cyanogenmod), or #connectbot (if you're using ConnectBot's terminal emulator functionality) |
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| 22:02.57 | ansu | Abrotman, thanks , i am doin it |
| 22:03.02 | rvsjoen | abrotman: no, no of course I should have read it :) thanks, I just find the naming a bit strange |
| 22:03.12 | starenka_ | zinx: i know, i just need to kill mc, that's it. sorry one more time |
| 22:03.31 | starenka_ | s/need/had to |
| 22:03.36 | zinx | EagleRock: x.org's framebuffer driver doesn't work correctly on the G1 without patching it, and I don't know that the patches are readily available |
| 22:03.48 | EagleRock | oh, the G1 |
| 22:03.54 | EagleRock | I saw this on the droid |
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| 22:04.04 | abrotman | rvsjoen: there is a method to the madness .. but i doubt you want to read all the historical stuff |
| 22:04.06 | zinx | EagleRock: uh, you're pretty much lying |
| 22:04.36 | zinx | EagleRock: the Droid didn't even provide root until a couple of days ago. Perhaps you saw it on a Nokia N900. |
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| 22:05.02 | starenka_ | zinx: i've seen x (w/ kde, gnome) on g1 |
| 22:05.36 | zinx | starenka_: yes, some people patched x.org a long time ago, i haven't heard anything since |
| 22:05.41 | dreamer | hmm, does anyone know why this trident driver can't display the full resolution? it seems like it can't user the outer pixels (since my screen is only the center 800x600) |
| 22:05.57 | zinx | starenka_: that or they were using vnc :/ |
| 22:06.09 | zinx | starenka_: which is not really the same |
| 22:06.35 | abrotman | dreamer: sounds like it's using VESA |
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| 22:06.49 | EagleRock | zinx: here's the info I found, but maybe it's not all it's cracked up to be: http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=1615 |
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| 22:07.16 | alhadi | Any one using Astaro security Gateway ? |
| 22:07.35 | dreamer | abrotman: currently I'm using the trident driver, when using vesa, it's still 800x600, but it is fullscreen |
| 22:07.53 | dreamer | abrotman: or I don't know what you mean .. |
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| 22:07.59 | zinx | EagleRock: yeah, that's a VNC method. I doubt anyone's done it on a Droid yet, though - as I said, it was first rooted two days ago |
| 22:08.30 | EagleRock | zinx: probably, I didn't see it in person, I meant I saw screenshots/pics of it |
| 22:08.33 | tryfan | Pippo1: got it into grub, now it's reporting error 17 because it can't find /dev/mapper/lvm... |
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| 22:08.46 | abrotman | dreamer: so you want it to be 1024 full screen ? |
| 22:09.19 | EagleRock | I wonder how responsive that VLC solution is... :-/ |
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| 22:09.29 | abrotman | VNC you mean ? |
| 22:09.34 | EagleRock | VNC* |
| 22:09.37 | EagleRock | sorry |
| 22:09.54 | dreamer | abrotman: yes please :) |
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| 22:10.34 | abrotman | dreamer: look at your Xorg log .. see if oyu can find why it's doing that .. you might need to lower your bit depth .. tried messing with xrandr to chagne it ? |
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| 22:11.00 | zinx | EagleRock: not terribly |
| 22:11.34 | Cybertinus | hello |
| 22:11.46 | Cybertinus | I just made a little screwup on my Debian Etch install |
| 22:11.49 | dreamer | abrotman: hmm, I've tried adding a mode in xorg.conf with lower bit depth |
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| 22:12.00 | Cybertinus | I've overwritten /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 22:12.21 | Cybertinus | Now I want to get the orginal php.ini back from when I installed php5. How can I do that? |
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| 22:12.37 | Cybertinus | I've tried reinstalling php5 and php5-common, but both didn't contain that file |
| 22:12.39 | dreamer | abrotman: lemme see how to use xrandr to change the depth |
| 22:12.59 | dreamer | hmmw you can't? |
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| 22:13.27 | EagleRock | Cybertinus: not sure, but dpkg-recofigure <package> and aptitude purge <package> might help |
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| 22:13.39 | EagleRock | you can also check /usr/share/doc/<package> to see if there are default examples |
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| 22:14.27 | Cybertinus | EagleRock: yeah, but with witch package? I assum that when I run apt-get remove php5-common && apt-get install php5-common that php.ini should get rewritten, but It doesn't :(. |
| 22:14.49 | kosamui | cybertinus: /usr/share/doc/php5-common/examples/php.ini-dist |
| 22:15.26 | Cybertinus | kosamui: if it is in php5-common, why doesn't the file gets created again when I do a apt-get remove && apt-get install? |
| 22:15.43 | EagleRock | Cybertinus: aptitude remove doesn't remove conf files, only aptitude purge does |
| 22:16.04 | kosamui | cybertinus: its a polite installer ;) |
| 22:16.06 | Cybertinus | EagleRock: I've removed the wrong php.ini file manually (mv php.ini php.ini.new) |
| 22:16.38 | Cybertinus | and still it doesn't gets recreated again |
| 22:16.39 | aeg | Hi folks i'm on the Gnome desktop, and i would like to customize somethings |
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| 22:17.10 | Cybertinus | and I don't have the directory /usr/share/doc/php5-common/ I do have /usr/share/doc/php5/ which also contains php.ini-dist |
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| 22:17.18 | EagleRock | brb |
| 22:18.00 | aeg | 1: How do i set the colorsheme to pablo in gvim ... in the .vimrc ... but what is the syntax ? |
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| 22:18.52 | EvilGenius | would it be possible to make some users and they have their own VNC screen based on access (permissions) ? |
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| 22:19.08 | kosamui | cybertinus: how about cp your .../php.ini-dist ? |
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| 22:19.51 | jamesho | What do I need to do to get Rhythmbox to transcodes flac to mp3on Lenny? |
| 22:19.55 | Cybertinus | kosamui: yeah, I just did that. That is the Debian php.ini and not the default PHP distribution php.ini? Or doesn't Debian change that file a lot? |
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| 22:21.54 | abrotman | jamesho: you want to reencode flac to mp3? probably something like lame |
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| 22:22.29 | kosamui | cybertinus: i guess changes are between major releases, e.g. from php4 to php5 . |
| 22:22.49 | dreamer | abrotman: hmmm, I'm trying to add a modeline to the current output with xrandr (generated with cvt), but I can't figure out what the name of the output is, or how to use this added mode |
| 22:23.09 | jamesho | abrotman: OK, thanks. Am I right in thinking that lame isn't in debian main etc? |
| 22:23.20 | AimHere | You're right |
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| 22:23.24 | abrotman | !tell jamesho about lame |
| 22:23.27 | AimHere | oggenc is |
| 22:23.55 | Cybertinus | kosamui: yeah, I understand that ;). But what I mean is: does Debian except all the default settings the PHP team has set in php.ini, or does Debian change a few of them? And if so: what file is /usr/share/doc/php5/php.ini-dist? |
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| 22:26.05 | nsadmin | Cybertinus: likely, that;s a question for the maintainer |
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| 22:27.00 | kosamui | cybertinus: i can't tell you. you can compare your debian php.ini-dist with other distributions to find out - if it is that important. |
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| 22:27.28 | Cybertinus | nsadmin: hmm. ok |
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| 22:28.05 | Cybertinus | kosamui: hmm. I'll just look through the file and set the options to my liking, then everything should be fine |
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| 22:29.26 | kosamui | cybertinus: good luck! i leave now to test lxde, maybe i am back in a few minutes ... |
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| 22:35.47 | ansu | Hii, i just did what was mentioned in flexible way in usb installation, but on booting from usb, it cant point itself to the kernel.a console appears now where i can enter the boot location (possibly). I did a partionless way, i used dev/sdc. |
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| 22:38.40 | ansu | Is it ok to just type vmlinuz at the beginning |
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| 22:38.51 | ansu | I did so, i think it booted |
| 22:39.05 | ansu | Its now in men |
| 22:39.08 | ansu | Menu |
| 22:39.18 | ootput | Cybertinus: except or accept? |
| 22:39.59 | Cybertinus | ootput: what do you mean? |
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| 22:40.37 | lolskes | Cybertinus: he's saying they mean different things |
| 22:41.02 | lolskes | opposites |
| 22:41.28 | Cybertinus | ah, yes |
| 22:41.33 | Cybertinus | I used the wrong word before |
| 22:41.47 | Cybertinus | I should have used 'accept' instead of 'except' |
| 22:41.53 | Cybertinus | my bad :) |
| 22:42.08 | ansu | one doubt, is it ok to type vmlinuz. |
| 22:42.19 | ansu | I did and it booted |
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| 22:42.35 | ansu | Shud i be doin anything before typing vmlinuz |
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| 22:43.55 | ansu | Now it asks which all components to install, is there anything that is necessary. I see wireless-tools-udeb , shud i enable it for wifi |
| 22:44.20 | ootput | if you need it during installation |
| 22:44.36 | ansu | No, i have iso on usb |
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| 22:45.10 | ootput | what of packages not on the ISO? |
| 22:45.43 | lolskes | ansu: its good to have network settings detected if possible before reboot |
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| 22:46.24 | ansu | ok, so i will install all components |
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| 22:47.03 | lolskes | ansu: well, you ca always go back in the installer to enable whatever you need |
| 22:47.21 | lolskes | well, provided its early enough not to affect the rest of the install |
| 22:47.27 | ansu | thanks, i just met a network problem |
| 22:47.50 | lolskes | if its your first time, expect to not get everything right |
| 22:47.59 | lolskes | (you can always re-install) |
| 22:49.52 | ansu | Mising firmware iwlwifi-3945-1.ucode, :( |
| 22:50.56 | chellomere | ansu, install firmware-iwlwifi |
| 22:52.20 | ansu | thanks |
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| 22:57.19 | ansu | Why is debian considered the best linux version? |
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| 22:58.08 | zinx | ansu: best is extremely relative, everyone has their own ideas about that |
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| 23:00.42 | kosamui | ansu: "why.. best linux version": because you get the best support? ;-) |
| 23:00.47 | ootput | 'perfect' more so |
| 23:00.49 | ansu | i got an option with software modes, it has options laptop,server,desktop envoronment,standard system etc. What does the standard system refer to? |
| 23:01.05 | ansu | :) |
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| 23:07.22 | kosamui | ansu: "standard .. refer to?" it seems to be neither a laptop, nor a desktop environment, nor a server system. i really do wonder also what is left for a standard system ... |
| 23:07.24 | ansu | I once broke my laptop, after installing ubuntu in it, my guess is that laptop got overheated and it broke battery and board. Is there any chance of this happening with debian , :) |
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| 23:08.09 | cast | ansu: seems unlikelyish |
| 23:08.29 | ansu | Is there any command to check temperature and fan speed |
| 23:08.47 | kosamui | ansu: its a could chance, because ubuntu's underground is debian ... |
| 23:08.59 | ansu | :( |
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| 23:09.22 | cast | personally i think it might be the laptops fault |
| 23:09.28 | ansu | I think it was of an acpi problem, |
| 23:09.52 | kosamui | ansu: depending on your window manager you can install so-called gadgets. choose laptop system, and you get those akku checkers installed by default. |
| 23:10.09 | ansu | I run on dell xps m1530, anyone running this with debian |
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| 23:11.54 | lontra | ansu: i think for temp you could do something like cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature |
| 23:12.05 | kosamui | ansu: http://www.notebookjournal.de/forum/showthread.php?p=73982 ( german ) |
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| 23:12.43 | ansu | thanks |
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| 23:13.05 | jhutchins_lt | kosamui: I think "standard" is more of a traditional base installation that you can build out with your own options to whatever you have in mind. |
| 23:13.18 | ansu | Thanks everyone, i just booted into my first debian, yeehaaaa.hope everything goes well. :) |
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| 23:13.52 | jhutchins_lt | ansu: There are temperature and fan monitors, depending on your chipset. |
| 23:14.09 | jhutchins_lt | ansu: Pay attention, don't run off and leave the system on all day with nobody watching it. |
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| 23:14.29 | kosamui | jhutchins_lt: tradition is good. i like tradition ... |
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| 23:14.51 | ansu | Tradition , ok will try it |
| 23:14.57 | edwardthefma | hello all |
| 23:15.00 | ansu | My touchpad is weird |
| 23:15.19 | edwardthefma | :) |
| 23:15.23 | ansu | It runs to bottom showing show menu and blinking quickly |
| 23:15.29 | shellito | Hi people, which command let know the who own a file pls... I mean: command /path/file = root (should I build it awk, sed ???) |
| 23:15.31 | lontra | why does the titlebar for GVIM say (as superuser) i launched it as a regular user |
| 23:15.58 | edwardthefma | is looking for a free linux shell with ruby1.9.1 and mysql |
| 23:16.11 | jhutchins_lt | ansu: Actually, it's more likely that your fan failed than that Ubuntu had anything to do with your previous problem. |
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| 23:16.14 | cast | edwardthefma: don't bother. pay money. |
| 23:16.22 | edwardthefma | im broke |
| 23:16.26 | edwardthefma | :( |
| 23:16.27 | jhutchins_lt | ansu: Figure out what kind of a touchpad (synaptic?) it is, google it. |
| 23:16.31 | kosamui | shellito: ls -l /path/file : Do you mean that? |
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| 23:16.49 | ansu | synaptic , yes i used that with suse |
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| 23:17.35 | shellito | kosamui, yes.. but I just need one field like "root" "apache2".. |
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| 23:18.45 | jhutchins_lt | shellito: trim? |
| 23:18.51 | kosamui | ansu: synclient TouchpadOff=1 disables my touchpad ( i prefer my usb-mouse ) |
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| 23:21.40 | ansu | I prefer touchpad, as i travel lot :). Mission synaptic, ... |
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| 23:24.14 | kosamui | shellito: ls -l /path/file | cut -d\ -f3 |
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| 23:25.10 | heoa | How can I block the use of SIP-protocol? |
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| 23:25.44 | kosamui | heoa: what firewall: netfilter ? |
| 23:26.02 | ansu | No internet ! :( what shud i do. Detects wlan card on lspci , |
| 23:26.21 | contrains | Hello! Forgive me if this is explained somewhere else, but I'm having some issues with my debian testing system. When I updated, it removed my nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx package, and I cannot seem to find a replacement for it in apt that supports my card. Is there a squeeze equivalent to this driver? |
| 23:26.37 | contrains | is stuck in a lower resolution in the meantime |
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| 23:27.01 | jhutchins_lt | contrains: You can probably get a driver from nvidia... |
| 23:27.12 | jhutchins_lt | contrains: nv driver doesn't give you full res? |
| 23:27.38 | shellito | kosamui thanks a lot. |
| 23:27.39 | kosamui | ansu: does # /sbin/ifconfig wlan0 show an ip-address? |
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| 23:27.49 | djura-san | contrains, did you tried to set up xorg.conf? I use same driver and situation is same: no xorg.conf = no resolution for my monitor |
| 23:27.59 | contrains | I have an xorg.conf |
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| 23:28.17 | contrains | but when it removed the nvidia driver, it broke x so that I was dumped to the command line upon reboot |
| 23:28.30 | contrains | and the only thing I could remember was vesa, so I put that in via vi |
| 23:28.56 | contrains | I didn' try nv.. but I know when I first set up the system I opted for the nvidia one instead |
| 23:28.58 | contrains | I can try it again though |
| 23:29.18 | contrains | It's a GeForce2 MX400, for the record |
| 23:29.30 | djura-san | try nv it will work |
| 23:29.37 | contrains | Alright, one moment |
| 23:29.41 | jhutchins_lt | judd: versions nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx |
| 23:29.42 | judd | jhutchins_lt: nvidia-glx-legacy-96xx -- lenny/non-free: 96.43.07-2 sid/non-free: 96.43.13+1-1 |
| 23:29.44 | heoa | kosamui: which firewall would you recommend? |
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| 23:30.12 | contrains | jhutchins_lt, it's not in squeeze though apparantly |
| 23:30.21 | contrains | Sorry, I actually didn't even remember about nv until seeing it just now on Google (as I was asking here) |
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| 23:30.44 | djura-san | does nv work for you now? |
| 23:31.11 | djura-san | nvidia released nev 96xx driver 2 weeks ago. check it out too :) |
| 23:31.14 | kosamui | heoa: i had ipcop in a uml-box, now i have endian in a xen-domU. Both are fine. |
| 23:31.18 | contrains | Don't know yet -- have to reboot to try |
| 23:31.23 | contrains | just finished editing xorg.conf |
| 23:31.47 | djura-san | why to reboot? |
| 23:31.53 | djura-san | just restart X |
| 23:32.06 | kosamui | heoa: ok i remember you want to disable sip. let me see ... |
| 23:32.08 | djura-san | use ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 23:32.22 | contrains | Why? Because I didn't know about ctrl+alt+backspace :) Thank you |
| 23:32.25 | contrains | is new to GUI's |
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| 23:33.02 | jhutchins_lt | heoa: Build your own: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ or http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/TrinityOS/cHTML/TrinityOS-c.html |
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| 23:33.35 | contrains | Hm. It seems to be ignoring ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 23:33.49 | ansu | Kosamui, no idoesnt show an ip |
| 23:34.03 | djura-san | contrains, well its that "dont zap" option |
| 23:34.04 | prince_jammys | contrains: it's disabled, these days. |
| 23:34.27 | contrains | ...Oh |
| 23:34.34 | contrains | scratches head, goes to Google on how to enable it |
| 23:34.40 | themill | !dontzap |
| 23:34.40 | dpkg | To disable termination of your X server via Ctrl+Alt+Backspace in Lenny and Etch, place Option "DontZap" "on" within the ServerFlags section of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, see xorg.conf(5). Squeeze users: server zapping is not enabled by default. To enable, use your desktop's Keyboard Preferences application, or use "setxkbmap -option terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp" to enable for the current session. |
| 23:34.44 | jhutchins_lt | contrains: do a sudo pkill kdm from a console. |
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| 23:36.55 | contrains | One moment -- thank you |
| 23:37.02 | kosamui | ansu: 1. you need to connect to a wlan access-point. a common case is that your wlan card gets an ip via this access point by a dchp-server. |
| 23:37.36 | TheJoe | How might I mount a dd image of a disk? |
| 23:37.56 | TheJoe | This is kind of urgent |
| 23:37.58 | robokop | TheJoe: mount -o loop |
| 23:38.09 | ansu | Kosamui, is there any command for that |
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| 23:38.21 | kosamui | ansu: to connect automatically to your essid, you have to place its name and encryption into /etc/network/interfaces . |
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| 23:38.50 | contrains | Much better... 1280x1024 again! |
| 23:39.08 | TheJoe | robokop: I'm being told to sepcify the file type, I specify ext3 (which the disk was) and that's wrong for some reason |
| 23:39.11 | kosamui | ansu: does your essid encrypt with wep or with wpa ? ( do not use wep, btw ) |
| 23:39.29 | ansu | Wpa |
| 23:39.42 | robokop | TheJoe: can you give me the exact output of the mount command? |
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| 23:40.00 | TheJoe | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0, missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
| 23:40.27 | TheJoe | robokop: ^ |
| 23:40.39 | djura-san | contrains, yeah but in "nv" there is no 3D support. Use nvidia driver if you wanna watch movies or other. Othar than that it will work ;) |
| 23:40.41 | robokop | what does dmesg tell you? |
| 23:40.41 | TheJoe | Ah! I think I have it |
| 23:40.59 | TheJoe | robokop: Doesn't matter - got it |
| 23:41.05 | TheJoe | outputfile was the wrong image ^^ |
| 23:41.12 | robokop | hehe |
| 23:41.13 | contrains | Hm. Well, it's a GeForce2 MX, does 3D support even apply? |
| 23:41.28 | contrains | that being said, nv doesn't seem to detect my TV as a 2nd monitor, so I may try nvidia's driver |
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| 23:42.36 | kosamui | ansu: you can add 4 lines into your /etc/network/interfaces , i will tell you ... |
| 23:42.40 | djura-san | contrains, yap. nvidia is required for tv out |
| 23:42.48 | ansu | thanks |
| 23:42.58 | kosamui | ansu: auto wlan0 |
| 23:43.10 | kosamui | ansu: iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
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| 23:43.59 | kosamui | ansu: wpa-psk my-passphrase |
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| 23:44.34 | contrains | Is there some similar keyboard shortcut for shutting down X? Google tells me to run /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| 23:44.40 | contrains | is curious |
| 23:44.45 | kosamui | ansu: wpa-ssid my-wlan-name |
| 23:44.53 | ganymede | i have a root access to box that is an LDAP client and all user information is stored an an LDAP server that i don't have access to. is there a way to add myself to a group only on this box here but not make any changes to the LDAP user? sort of like cascade group memberships...? (more specifically, i'm not part of the fuse group according to the LDAP server but i want to do sshfs on this box here) |
| 23:44.57 | beardy | !restart x |
| 23:44.57 | dpkg | Don't reboot, just restart X. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace if you are logged in (not working? Ask me about <dontzap>). '/etc/init.d/?dm restart' if not, as root. (where ?dm can be xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm, other display manager) |
| 23:44.59 | beardy | !stop x |
| 23:45.00 | dpkg | '/etc/init.d/?dm stop' where ?dm is xdm, kdm, gdm, slim, or ?dm. Also ask me about "restart x" |
| 23:45.15 | beardy | Curiousity killed. |
| 23:45.26 | djura-san | dpkg is smart :) |
| 23:45.26 | dpkg | djura-san: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 23:45.42 | DetroitLibertyPe | LOL |
| 23:45.46 | contrains | Oh, so I had the right command already? |
| 23:45.48 | djura-san | yes i did |
| 23:45.49 | kosamui | ansu: the wpa-psk and wpa-ssid lines have leading blanks in my file. |
| 23:45.58 | contrains | Be back shortly, then! |
| 23:46.01 | contrains | Thank you |
| 23:47.23 | kosamui | ansu: after editing /etc/network interfaces, do: |
| 23:47.38 | kosamui | ansu: # /sbin/ifdown wlan0 |
| 23:47.51 | kosamui | ansu: # /sbin/ifup wlan0 |
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| 23:48.36 | kosamui | ansu: and watch in another xterm with # tail -f /var/log/messages what is happening ... |
| 23:48.55 | ansu | ok, thanks |
| 23:49.18 | Gruelius | Hi all, my system after about 3 hours of raid5 rebuilding (not completing) will freeze and become unresponsive. I once had this problem with a bad controller spamming dmesg entries but thats not happening so what should i be looking at? |
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| 23:52.39 | contrains | 'Tis working -- thank you! |
| 23:52.41 | nsadmin | Gruelius: first make sure your hardware is ok |
| 23:52.46 | contrains | (The TV is not, but it never did to begin with so I'm back to how I was) |
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| 23:53.19 | Gruelius | nsadmin: will do but the array is still rebuilding atm. The only change i made before i got htis problem was adding a 500gb drive to the IDE port on my motherboard |
| 23:53.27 | djura-san | confusid, its our pleasure (and dpkg`s too) |
| 23:53.32 | djura-san | sorry |
| 23:53.38 | djura-san | contrains, , its our pleasure (and dpkg`s too) |
| 23:54.07 | contrains | I don't suppose any of you would be interested in taking a crack at getting the TV output working... I've tried on and off for months now. |
| 23:54.33 | djura-san | contrains, i already searched for that ;) |
| 23:54.50 | contrains | The furthest along I got was for the TV to get random colours (if I recall correctly), but never any true output |
| 23:55.01 | contrains | but at the moment it isn't detected (at least by xrandr) |
| 23:55.36 | djura-san | contrains, is shuld be somewhere in xorg... let me think a little |
| 23:55.44 | djura-san | *should |
| 23:55.50 | contrains | I can pastebin mine if you would like |
| 23:56.22 | djura-san | yeah you can do that |
| 23:56.55 | jhutchins_lt | What are the recommended steps for printing to a remote cups shared printer? |
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| 23:57.06 | kosamui | ansu: what's up? i want to go to bed, it is 1 am here ... |
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| 23:57.49 | abrotman | then go .. there are other people here that can help |
| 23:58.02 | djura-san | contrains, use apt-get (or aptitude) to obtain "nvtv". It will do the job automatically. Then save that xorg conf (just in case for next time) |
| 23:58.14 | contrains | http://pastebin.ca/1711624 |
| 23:58.15 | ansu | kosamui, thanks but it didnt go well |
| 23:58.45 | ansu | Kosamui, will meet you tomorrow, gudngt |
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| 23:58.58 | heoa | jhutchins_lt: exactly what I was looking for. Thank you. |
| 23:59.17 | contrains | tries it |
| 23:59.47 | jhutchins_lt | heoa: The trinity stuff? |
| 23:59.48 | kosamui | jhutchins_lt: ipp://remote-cups.mynetwork.xx:631/printers/remote-printer-name works well in my lan ... |
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