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| 00:00.11 | jhutchins_lt | kosamui: Yeah, I guess install cupsys etc. |
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| 00:00.59 | kosamui | ansu: tomorrow i am not here. how far did you get along? |
| 00:01.18 | heoa | jhutchins_lt: yes, sounds interesting |
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| 00:01.34 | ansu | I did the editing and saved, on up and down if, it shows network down |
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| 00:02.46 | contrains | djura-san, it seems to just duplicate onto the TV (and crops my monitor's output to match the small output of the TV) |
| 00:02.49 | kosamui | ansu: what tells /var/log/messages ? |
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| 00:03.02 | contrains | but it's displaying on my screen, so something's going right |
| 00:03.07 | contrains | er, on my TV |
| 00:03.12 | djura-san | hmm... |
| 00:03.24 | contrains | What I mean is, it keeps the screen image as 1280x1024 |
| 00:03.26 | jhutchins_lt | contrains: krandrtray? |
| 00:03.36 | contrains | but crops it to 640x480, and outputs that to both screens |
| 00:03.53 | djura-san | contrains, did you check settings for nvtv? |
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| 00:04.07 | contrains | I was in the nvtv settings window |
| 00:04.32 | contrains | Turning TV on did that, turning TV off (those are buttons in the settings window) changed it back |
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| 00:04.44 | contrains | randr only detects my one monitor -- not the TV |
| 00:04.56 | ansu | Requesting iwlwifi-3945.ucode |
| 00:05.42 | ansu | ACPI:PCI interrupt for device 0000:0b:00.0 diabled |
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| 00:06.05 | Lymphocyte | How sexy is my ride? |
| 00:06.07 | Lymphocyte | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEO2eRw4y5Y |
| 00:06.12 | xand | contrains: TVs connected by S-video or composite are not detectable |
| 00:06.21 | contrains | I see |
| 00:06.36 | Lymphocyte | How sexy is my ride? |
| 00:06.37 | xand | well the card might know it's using that output |
| 00:06.37 | Lymphocyte | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEO2eRw4y5Y |
| 00:06.42 | xand | Lymphocyte: piss off |
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| 00:06.46 | jhutchins_lt | Lymphocyte: Got ya covered: my ride is Secretariat's great-granddaughter. |
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| 00:07.00 | jhutchins_lt | themill: Sorry, couldn't resist. |
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| 00:09.11 | kosamui | ansu: your wlan's firmware suffers for its food. let me see ... |
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| 00:09.44 | ansu | Hehe... |
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| 00:11.11 | contrains | So now to figure out how to get nvtv not to duplicate screens *to GOogle* |
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| 00:11.48 | djura-san | contrains, yeah. sorry my knowledge is not so big :| |
| 00:12.01 | contrains | No, no |
| 00:12.04 | contrains | You've helped a lot |
| 00:12.07 | contrains | Thank you very much |
| 00:12.23 | kosamui | ansu: # apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi |
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| 00:12.49 | djura-san | contrains, still inform us about your progress. it will help us. p.s. Not a problema at all. its nice to help (how mmuch i can) |
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| 00:14.18 | ansu | kosamui, is there any way i could connect atleast to ethernet, i dont think i can get apt without internet |
| 00:14.33 | edwardthefma | is looking for a free linux shell with ruby1.9.1 and mysql |
| 00:14.34 | kosamui | ansu: $ aptitude search firmware-iwlwifi is successfull? |
| 00:14.43 | ansu | No |
| 00:14.45 | contrains | Alright, now something very weird happened. |
| 00:14.54 | ansu | Couldnt find package |
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| 00:14.58 | contrains | I hit the "X Mode" button in nvtv |
| 00:15.11 | kosamui | ansu: just plugin your patch-cable, that should work. |
| 00:15.19 | contrains | and it reduced my monitor down to 640x480 resolution, but while keeping the desktop 1280x1024 |
| 00:15.26 | contrains | and moving my mouse to the edges "scrolls" to see it all |
| 00:15.33 | ansu | Kosamui, no luck |
| 00:15.33 | contrains | and I don't see any option to turn it off |
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| 00:16.47 | kosamui | ansu: what router are you using ? |
| 00:17.10 | djura-san | contrains, try to kill it and use "xrandr -s 1280x1024" to set desk resolution |
| 00:17.11 | ansu | Siemens |
| 00:17.12 | themill | edwardthefma: wrong place to ask -- this is for debian support |
| 00:17.18 | ansu | Sl 101 |
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| 00:18.21 | edwardthefma | themill best place to ask cause you find alot of pepol who use debean shells |
| 00:18.42 | edwardthefma | :) |
| 00:19.09 | abrotman | edwardthefma: no really, this channel is for Debian support, go somewhere else |
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| 00:21.01 | kosamui | ansu: google says, siemens sl 101 is a kitchen stove. it offers sl 141 as a router: is that yours? |
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| 00:21.47 | ansu | :) sorry, yes |
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| 00:24.13 | kosamui | ansu: Alice-Modem Siemens SL-141 : it is a modem, not a router, correct? |
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| 00:24.51 | ansu | not sure, i think its a router |
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| 00:25.41 | _diablo | what is the easiest way to ugrade from lenny-stable to lenny-testing |
| 00:25.43 | _diablo | ? |
| 00:25.43 | kosamui | ansu: # apt-get install network-config from your cd, is that possible? |
| 00:27.19 | kosamui | diablo: exchange lenny with sid in your /etc/apt/sources.list ( first make a copy ). then, # apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 00:27.37 | LittleDedPenguin | no, do not put sid in there |
| 00:27.39 | _diablo | kosamui, I don't really want sid, I just want squeeze |
| 00:27.46 | ansu | no |
| 00:27.54 | ansu | its usb |
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| 00:28.01 | abrotman | kosamui: do NOT tell people to do that .. go to bed already .. you're telling people to do stupid things |
| 00:28.17 | abrotman | !tell _diablo about lenny->squeeze |
| 00:28.39 | _diablo | abrotman, why not? |
| 00:28.56 | abrotman | _diablo: because kosamui is telling you to do something bad |
| 00:29.03 | themill | _diablo: are you promising to be around 24h/day to help kosamui with sid? |
| 00:29.12 | abrotman | wrong way around |
| 00:29.18 | themill | bah! |
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| 00:30.03 | _diablo | abrotman, thank you for the help :) |
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| 00:30.10 | kosamui | diablo: i am using sid for month and it's ok. |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | kosamui: STOP |
| 00:30.29 | miksuh | hm |
| 00:30.30 | _diablo | kosamui, thanks for the advice I appreciate the attempt at help, but I am certainly not going to to go unstable just yet. |
| 00:31.40 | kosamui | diablo: you are right, do not do that in a production environment, of course. |
| 00:31.53 | abrotman | kosamui: please just stop messing up his box |
| 00:32.01 | _diablo | abrotman, lol :) |
| 00:32.31 | kosamui | abrotman: diablo goes for squeeze now ... |
| 00:32.35 | blakkheim | why am i getting "our protocol is not supported by the server" when i try to sign onto msn with pidgin/finch? |
| 00:32.45 | abrotman | kosamui: please .. be quiet |
| 00:32.55 | abrotman | blakkheim: lenny? |
| 00:33.01 | blakkheim | abrotman: yes |
| 00:33.17 | abrotman | blakkheim: have you tried the pidgin from backports.org ? I think MSN changed the protocol again |
| 00:33.35 | abrotman | see /topic in #pidgin |
| 00:33.39 | blakkheim | abrotman: i have not, shouldn't the official one be fixed? |
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| 00:33.56 | abrotman | blakkheim: no idea, i don't use MSN |
| 00:34.14 | cast | hah, how craptastic |
| 00:34.17 | cast | quit using msn. |
| 00:35.22 | robokop | bitlbee works like a charm for msn |
| 00:35.22 | kosamui | ansu: did you get network-config ? |
| 00:35.41 | ansu | No |
| 00:36.09 | ansu | Kosamui, why doesnt it support ethernet out of the box |
| 00:36.19 | abrotman | ansu: what are you trying to do? |
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| 00:36.40 | ansu | i am trying to set up internet connection |
| 00:36.48 | abrotman | yes, i gathered that |
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| 00:37.08 | ansu | Well, i am trying to get it through wifi |
| 00:37.18 | abrotman | yes .. using which tools? |
| 00:37.28 | ansu | I cant even figure it out even through ethernet, wired |
| 00:38.14 | abrotman | with which tools? |
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| 00:38.32 | SolarWar | network-manager is not picking up any dns servers and my resolv.conf is blank! why? |
| 00:38.54 | ansu | Abrotman, i just started so i am sorry. I am using the network tab. I configured interfaces in network folder |
| 00:39.05 | abrotman | the network tab ? |
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| 00:39.28 | ansu | Network settings in system menu |
| 00:39.35 | heoa | Which ports does the SIP use? |
| 00:39.40 | abrotman | in? gnome? kde? xfce? the kitchen sink ? |
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| 00:40.06 | abrotman | ansu: just in case you haven't noticed .. if you keep withholding details, it makes it *really* hard for people to help you |
| 00:40.09 | ansu | Administration ->network . In gnome |
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| 00:40.54 | ansu | I am using gnome, in systems menu, under administration i use d network tab, |
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| 00:41.13 | ansu | i just installed debian now. |
| 00:41.18 | ansu | i just installed debian now. |
| 00:41.23 | abrotman | ansu: but you said you also used the /etc/network/interfaces file ? |
| 00:41.29 | abrotman | is your network DHCP ? |
| 00:41.51 | ansu | Yes, kosamui helped there, |
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| 00:42.04 | ansu | Dhcp, i am not sure |
| 00:42.13 | abrotman | but it doesn't work .. so didn't help ? |
| 00:42.15 | ansu | i have broadband here |
| 00:42.27 | abrotman | do you have a router on your network ? |
| 00:42.34 | ansu | Hmm...yes, but he tried well |
| 00:42.37 | ansu | :) |
| 00:43.05 | ansu | I have a siemens 141, i think its a router |
| 00:43.15 | abrotman | you should know .. |
| 00:43.31 | ansu | Abrotman, it can serve 4 pcs |
| 00:43.40 | ansu | Does it mean its router |
| 00:43.42 | abrotman | sounds like a router |
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| 00:43.54 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 00:44.00 | ansu | Ok |
| 00:44.05 | abrotman | ansu: is the light even on for the port you're using ? |
| 00:44.32 | ansu | On my lap no, but when i connect to pc, yes |
| 00:44.40 | SolarWar | anyway to list the current nameservers your machine is using? |
| 00:44.59 | themill | SolarWar: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:44.59 | abrotman | ansu: on the broken machine |
| 00:45.16 | ansu | hehe,not yet. |
| 00:45.19 | SolarWar | themill, network-manager is blanking out this file, any idea why? |
| 00:45.33 | themill | SolarWar: how are you configuring your network? What release of debian is this? |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | ansu: lspci -nn .. what is the line for oyur ethernet card ? |
| 00:45.47 | Xenguy | !resolv.conf |
| 00:45.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by your DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, ask me about <override dns>. See also <fixresolvconf>. |
| 00:45.57 | ansu | Abrotman, in interfaces i have only made changes to wlan |
| 00:46.08 | abrotman | ansu: that wasn't the question i asked ? |
| 00:46.09 | SolarWar | themill, lenny, i'm using a static ip: iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.85.219 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.85.1 |
| 00:46.11 | Xenguy | SolarWar: could be 'resolvconf' |
| 00:46.17 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 00:46.22 | _diablo | what is the irc command to check what packages are in each debian distro? |
| 00:46.23 | Xenguy | SolarWar: I ended up removing that package |
| 00:46.38 | abrotman | _diablo: use http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 00:46.39 | themill | SolarWar: if you are manually configuring your interface in /etc/network/interfaces, then network-manager has nothing to do with it |
| 00:46.43 | SolarWar | TrueDD, nightnight |
| 00:46.46 | themill | Xenguy: nothing to do with it |
| 00:46.55 | _diablo | abrotman, sigh, okay, thx |
| 00:46.55 | DogBoy | I did too SolarWar |
| 00:46.57 | SolarWar | themill, but network-manager is overwriting resolv.conf |
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| 00:47.01 | Xenguy | themill: very well, I stand corrected |
| 00:47.02 | SolarWar | yeah i might just remove network-manager |
| 00:47.07 | TrueDD | night SolarWar |
| 00:47.25 | abrotman | _diablo: it's not that hard .. http://packages.debian.org/bash |
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| 00:47.32 | EdSwarthout | !override dns |
| 00:47.32 | dpkg | To instruct dhclient to use your specified nameserver rather than the one given to you by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf, or see man 5 dhclient.conf for more information. Instead of supersede, you can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. |
| 00:47.55 | themill | EdSwarthout: not relevant if you're not using dhcp.... |
| 00:47.57 | ansu | 09:00.0 0200: 11ab:4354 (rev 12) |
| 00:47.59 | SolarWar | EdSwarthout, i'm not using dhcp |
| 00:48.07 | abrotman | judd: pciid 11ab:4354 |
| 00:48.09 | judd | abrotman: [11ab:4354] is '88E8040 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller' from 'Marvell Technology Group Ltd.' with kernel module 'sky2' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=11ab:4354 http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 |
| 00:48.12 | abrotman | awesome |
| 00:48.16 | SolarWar | themill, so if its not network-manager, what could be causing the problem? |
| 00:48.18 | themill | SolarWar: n-m shouldn't touch it -- I take it you've tried recreating it? |
| 00:48.44 | SolarWar | themill, yes, i've written to resolv.conf, after rebooting, n-m writes a blank template over it |
| 00:48.46 | EdSwarthout | then just 'cat - >> /etc/resolv.conf' and enter them in |
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| 00:49.02 | SolarWar | EdSwarthout, see above :) |
| 00:49.08 | DogBoy | what's the big deal, uninstall network manager |
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| 00:49.22 | themill | SolarWar: do you use n-m for anything at all then? |
| 00:49.33 | SolarWar | nope |
| 00:49.42 | oh-hey | so how about this new ssl vulnerability! WHOA WHOAAAA!!!! |
| 00:50.05 | themill | SolarWar: so either disabling or uninstalling it would be the easiest approach, then. |
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| 00:50.48 | DogBoy | that's what I ended up doing, I couldn't get static ip working with nm installed |
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| 00:58.28 | SolarWar | themill, thanks :) |
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| 00:59.32 | TGD17 | Hello, I need some help :) |
| 00:59.59 | abrotman | so ask |
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| 01:00.26 | TGD17 | Ok, so I want to install debian on my laptop. And I just found a netinstall disk from last year |
| 01:00.47 | TGD17 | everything works fine until after I select what packages I want to download |
| 01:01.00 | TGD17 | then it freezes at 5% |
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| 01:01.08 | abrotman | !tell TGD17 about 5% error |
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| 01:01.35 | TGD17 | and I have no idea why, I have tried multiple times, including just trying to keep the base package, still got it |
| 01:01.55 | envirocbr | Pryon: Did you figure out your issue or should I check my logs? |
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| 01:03.02 | ganymede | is there a command line way of renaming files that lets me edit the name interactively (unlike mv) for changing a single character maybe? |
| 01:03.22 | Pryon | envirocbr: Either you've got the wrong nick or I'm having memory problems |
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| 01:03.33 | envirocbr | Pryon: Weren't you having the mdadm issues? |
| 01:03.38 | Pryon | nope |
| 01:03.45 | envirocbr | sorry |
| 01:03.48 | envirocbr | time to check the logs |
| 01:04.00 | Pryon | Hey, no problem. I was getting worried about early-onset dementia there |
| 01:04.23 | envirocbr | pyro2 was who I was looking for |
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| 01:05.38 | themill | ganymede: you might like "rename" or you can just "vi ." |
| 01:06.10 | TGD17 | that did not help :\ |
| 01:06.29 | envirocbr | themill: Thanks for the vi . trick, I like that |
| 01:06.33 | envirocbr | didn't know I could do that |
| 01:06.41 | envirocbr | nano won't work like that :( |
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| 01:07.18 | themill | judd info vifm |
| 01:07.18 | judd | themill: vifm (utils): is optional; Version: 0.3a-3; Size: 61.5k; Installed: 252k -- a ncurses based file manager with vi like keybindings |
| 01:07.38 | tuxcrafter | hi all |
| 01:07.44 | ganymede | themill, thanks, that's really cool. i prefer nano or emacs though and running "emacs ." seems to take over a minute to start... =/ |
| 01:08.02 | robokop | that is what i don't like about emacs |
| 01:08.14 | robokop | an editor shouldn't take over a minute to start |
| 01:08.25 | tuxcrafter | i am having a blocking rule in my iptable firewall and i dont know how can fix it correctly, can somebodty look at my log and rules: http://debian.pastebin.com/d1361bf01 |
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| 01:09.08 | envirocbr | tuxcrafter: What exactly is your issue? |
| 01:09.20 | tuxcrafter | standy i am seeing a wrong rule |
| 01:09.29 | tuxcrafter | the source adress is not maching the prerouting rule |
| 01:09.37 | tuxcrafter | stabdt ;lD |
| 01:09.43 | tuxcrafter | standby :) |
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| 01:10.26 | ganymede | themill, "vi ." actually doesn't work for me. it says, ". is a directory" and gives me a blank buffer. let me try vim |
| 01:10.52 | envirocbr | Ugggg, once you try pf iptables almost seems very odd to sue |
| 01:10.52 | envirocbr | use |
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| 01:11.17 | envirocbr | ganymede: Most of the time there is an alias for vi |
| 01:11.26 | envirocbr | alias vi='vim' |
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| 01:11.41 | ganymede | themill, nope, vim.tiny doesn't work either. and with emacs, it makes me retype when renaming |
| 01:12.11 | envirocbr | ganymede: Try vim, it will work |
| 01:12.14 | envirocbr | hopefully |
| 01:12.22 | TGD17 | ok I followed the directions & booted with that command. Hopefully I can make it past 5% |
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| 01:14.00 | tuxcrafter | nope i am still having the blocking log |
| 01:14.17 | tuxcrafter | i don't know what rule i must add or change to solve the blocking |
| 01:14.21 | tuxcrafter | http://debian.pastebin.com/d1361bf01 |
| 01:14.31 | tuxcrafter | does somebodt see the issue? |
| 01:15.16 | envirocbr | tuxcrafter: have you tried #iptables |
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| 01:15.35 | Tramp | tuxcrafter: I'd say: -A FORWARD -i eth4 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT <--- as you do for the other interfaces |
| 01:15.51 | Tramp | tuxcrafter: you accept NEW packets for all interfaces but eth4 |
| 01:15.58 | Tramp | in FORWARD |
| 01:16.07 | ganymede | envirocbr, it LOOKS like it's working but i got completely lost in the keyboard shortcuts and couldn't enter editing mode...this is never going to work, i'm going to colossally break something if i continue using vim |
| 01:16.32 | Tramp | tuxcrafter: unless the 10.10.1.61 is on this host |
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| 01:17.04 | envirocbr | ganymede: Use a cheat sheet |
| 01:17.09 | tuxcrafter | Tramp: i was thinking the same thing already adding the forwarding rule |
| 01:17.24 | envirocbr | http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/vimcheat.html |
| 01:17.27 | envirocbr | there you go |
| 01:17.30 | ganymede | envirocbr, at this point, i will be going back to mv, but thanks for the help |
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| 01:17.40 | envirocbr | vim is not that difficult, give it a few tries on some test files and you will be ok |
| 01:17.42 | Tramp | tuxcrafter: also, use a log-prefix to see, which LOG is triggered |
| 01:17.48 | envirocbr | ganymede: good luck ;) |
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| 01:18.02 | envirocbr | it is worth learning as all Linux machines will come with vim and not all will come with nano |
| 01:18.12 | envirocbr | imagine having no Internet and having to edit a file! |
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| 01:18.36 | Tramp | tuxcrafter: (and I see it's not on this host, since a outgoine IF (eth3) is already set.) So you indeed lack the rule I said above in FORWARD. |
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| 01:19.58 | tuxcrafter | Tramp: -A FORWARD -i eth4 -o eth3 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 01:20.01 | tuxcrafter | seems to fix the blocking |
| 01:20.20 | tuxcrafter | the real thing is not yet working, but i am looking at that know |
| 01:20.44 | Tramp | sure. this rule is, however, inconsistent with the rest of your FORWARD accepts, where you don't care about the -o |
| 01:22.40 | TGD17 | Someone help me with the 5% error |
| 01:22.42 | TGD17 | please |
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| 01:24.26 | objorn | http://pastebin.com/m60fa5ba0 |
| 01:24.33 | objorn | unable to install gramps |
| 01:25.16 | abrotman | !tell TGD17 about 5% error |
| 01:25.20 | abrotman | TGD17: see what the bot told you |
| 01:25.29 | abrotman | objorn: did we go over this the other day? |
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| 01:26.00 | objorn | abrotman: not really, you just told me i'm screwed |
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| 01:26.09 | abrotman | objorn: yeah |
| 01:26.51 | objorn | why is this stuff 'not going to be installed'? |
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| 01:28.10 | abrotman | if he comes back .. tell him to reinstall his system and not try to mix etch/lenny/squeeze/sid/ubuntu |
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| 01:29.30 | TGD17 | abrotman, it didn't work |
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| 01:29.44 | abrotman | what didn't? |
| 01:29.47 | tuxcrafter | hmm i seems to have a gateway routing issue, i got two external interfaces and they seem to be unable to sent information back correctly when both interfaces are up |
| 01:29.56 | abrotman | TGD17: the easy answer is to get a current netinst |
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| 01:30.05 | tuxcrafter | if i thake both down and then one up again it works fine |
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| 01:30.39 | TGD17 | the linux debian-installer/allow unauthenticated=true |
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| 01:32.28 | abrotman | that shold be enough |
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| 01:32.54 | abrotman | TGD17: alternately .. pull the network cable during the install .. it won't try to download them from the net .. you can fix the auth stuff after the install |
| 01:33.36 | TGD17 | I would get a current one, but my cd burner is broke |
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| 01:33.39 | TGD17 | so I am in a pickle |
| 01:33.50 | TGD17 | and I don't have a thumb drive |
| 01:33.55 | abrotman | TGD17: what did i just say ? |
| 01:33.59 | TGD17 | alright I'll pull the cable thanks |
| 01:34.25 | dondelelcaro | tuxcrafter: you can only have one default gateway |
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| 01:34.37 | dondelelcaro | tuxcrafter: if you want to do something more complicated, like bonding interfaces, read the lartc. |
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| 01:36.35 | TGD17 | ok so abrotman, I should choose "do not configure network at this time" yes? |
| 01:36.42 | abrotman | right |
| 01:36.51 | TGD17 | thanks |
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| 01:50.23 | TGD17 | Thanks abrotman, it worked. Got the base system installed |
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| 01:50.56 | abrotman | TGD17: now do you know how to configure your network? |
| 01:50.56 | TGD17 | How do I go about updating it & adding a desktop enviornment etc |
| 01:51.04 | TGD17 | nope :\ |
| 01:51.14 | TGD17 | point me to a tutorial or something? |
| 01:52.11 | abrotman | is your network DHCP ? |
| 01:52.51 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:53.11 | TGD17 | yes sir |
| 01:53.31 | abrotman | dmesg | grep eth .. is your NIC eth0 ? |
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| 01:54.32 | TGD17 | etho0? |
| 01:54.46 | TGD17 | forgive me for being a noob |
| 01:54.58 | abrotman | eth0 .. zero |
| 01:55.27 | TGD17 | how do I determine that? what do you mean is my network card zero |
| 01:55.47 | abrotman | type the command "dmesg | grep eth" |
| 01:55.54 | envirocbr | TGD17: eth0 |
| 01:56.01 | envirocbr | ethernet adapter 0 |
| 01:56.19 | envirocbr | We use real numbers when referring to devices; thus, 0 is everyone else's common 1 |
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| 01:58.12 | TGD17 | I see |
| 01:58.21 | TGD17 | typing that in right now |
| 01:58.34 | TGD17 | not doing anything |
| 01:58.46 | TGD17 | that line in the middle | --- that? |
| 01:58.54 | abrotman | it's a pipe .. above the enter key |
| 01:59.02 | TGD17 | dmesg|grep eth |
| 01:59.02 | envirocbr | TGD17: That is called a "pipe" |
| 01:59.04 | abrotman | on a US keyboard anyways |
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| 01:59.09 | nsadmin | sometimes pronounced "pipe", sometimes "or" |
| 01:59.14 | TGD17 | I see |
| 01:59.16 | envirocbr | Imagine that the output of the command is being sent down a pipe to the next command |
| 01:59.24 | TGD17 | oooo okay |
| 01:59.25 | dvs | smokes it |
| 01:59.26 | xxtjaxx_ | TGD17: eth0 is kind of a mask for a special interface which is in this case your ethernet connection |
| 01:59.40 | abrotman | okay .. too many people ... |
| 01:59.42 | envirocbr | nsadmin: I forgot that is also a bash operator |
| 01:59.47 | nsadmin | like a | b | c could mean "a or b or c" |
| 01:59.58 | xxtjaxx_ | TGD17: whats actually your problem |
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| 02:00.03 | abrotman | jesus .. |
| 02:00.07 | envirocbr | nsadmin: When you are using it in a script yet |
| 02:00.09 | nsadmin | you mean all 923 of us? :) |
| 02:00.11 | TGD17 | does their need spaces in between |
| 02:00.15 | abrotman | no |
| 02:00.22 | xxtjaxx_ | nsadmin: no its the output from a get sen as stdin to b then bs output to c |
| 02:00.29 | nsadmin | but space makes readability |
| 02:00.29 | envirocbr | But or makes no sense when piping dmesg or grep eth0? |
| 02:00.30 | xxtjaxx_ | or is || |
| 02:00.35 | abrotman | TGD17: so that command returns nothing? but you have a wired NIC in the machien ? |
| 02:00.38 | TGD17 | tried it with both, not working |
| 02:00.44 | TGD17 | its integrated |
| 02:00.54 | envirocbr | TGD17: You aren't getting any output from dmesg | grep eth |
| 02:01.05 | abrotman | TGD17: lspci -nn .. give us the line for your network card |
| 02:01.15 | xxtjaxx_ | envirocbr: it might be that the eth0 is not set in the modules conf |
| 02:01.26 | dvs | lspci | grep -i eth |
| 02:01.32 | TGD17 | nope |
| 02:01.36 | abrotman | i still want -nn |
| 02:01.46 | abrotman | gives up .. too many cooks in the kitchen |
| 02:01.59 | envirocbr | abrotman: I like that anaolgy |
| 02:02.06 | xoz | gives abrotman ambien |
| 02:02.15 | envirocbr | lol |
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| 02:02.45 | nsadmin | let;'s combine them... |
| 02:02.51 | TGD17 | darn, none of these bash commands are working |
| 02:02.52 | abrotman | well, everyone keeps trying to talk over me .. what's the point |
| 02:03.03 | TGD17 | I did just dmesg and that spit out some results |
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| 02:03.12 | TGD17 | now I can't get anything |
| 02:03.33 | nsadmin | TGD17: lspci -nn | grep -i eth |
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| 02:04.19 | TGD17 | lol ima restart it |
| 02:04.23 | TGD17 | being a bugger |
| 02:04.30 | nsadmin | wait, wait, what's the deal |
| 02:04.42 | abrotman | just let him go .. it's not a big deal |
| 02:04.43 | TGD17 | it wasn't doing anything |
| 02:04.56 | nsadmin | not a problem |
| 02:04.59 | TGD17 | just the text I was writing appeared |
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| 02:05.05 | nsadmin | you get something like this: |
| 02:05.17 | nsadmin | $ lspci -nn | grep -i eth |
| 02:05.18 | nsadmin | $ |
| 02:05.24 | nsadmin | yes? |
| 02:05.26 | amphi | brandishes a spork |
| 02:05.34 | abrotman | spork you buddy! |
| 02:05.42 | amphi | heh |
| 02:05.55 | TGD17 | ok just restarted it |
| 02:06.02 | TGD17 | now I'll try that... |
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| 02:06.52 | nsadmin | pls answer the question... |
| 02:07.05 | TGD17 | says -bash: lspci: command not found |
| 02:07.14 | nsadmin | oh oops :) |
| 02:08.07 | TGD17 | ok tried the original you guys gave me |
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| 02:08.28 | TGD17 | eth0: Broadcom 4400 10/100BaseT Etherne |
| 02:08.29 | nsadmin | you mean: dmesg | grep eth? |
| 02:08.39 | TGD17 | yep |
| 02:08.42 | nsadmin | oh, so you do have it |
| 02:08.58 | nsadmin | try this (as root): ifconfig eth0 |
| 02:09.11 | nsadmin | do you get: paragraph about eth0? error message? |
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| 02:09.59 | TGD17 | ifconfig command not found |
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| 02:10.12 | nsadmin | ok, try: whoami |
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| 02:10.26 | TGD17 | ya that worked |
| 02:10.34 | xoz | haha |
| 02:10.36 | nsadmin | did it say root? |
| 02:10.48 | dvs | plays The Who |
| 02:11.02 | nsadmin | who do you play? |
| 02:11.04 | TGD17 | nope |
| 02:11.26 | nsadmin | ok, you know your root passwd, right? type: su - |
| 02:11.38 | TGD17 | yep |
| 02:11.38 | nsadmin | it will ask for root's pw |
| 02:11.40 | envirocbr | lol |
| 02:11.52 | TGD17 | LOL command not found |
| 02:12.05 | envirocbr | su - |
| 02:12.06 | envirocbr | type that |
| 02:12.08 | envirocbr | just like that |
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| 02:12.31 | TGD17 | ok |
| 02:12.32 | TGD17 | got it |
| 02:12.35 | TGD17 | thanks |
| 02:12.42 | nsadmin | so now whoami says root? |
| 02:12.53 | TGD17 | yes |
| 02:13.00 | nsadmin | good... |
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| 02:13.06 | nsadmin | try this (as root): ifconfig eth0 |
| 02:13.10 | envirocbr | dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 02:13.12 | nsadmin | do you get: paragraph about eth0? error message? |
| 02:13.43 | TGD17 | gave me some information |
| 02:13.50 | nsadmin | like: |
| 02:13.51 | TGD17 | no error though |
| 02:13.53 | envirocbr | TGD17: place it in a pastebin |
| 02:14.00 | nsadmin | eth0 lkjsdfoiujsorji grsoj slgj |
| 02:14.02 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:14.08 | nsadmin | like that? |
| 02:14.12 | TGD17 | yep l ink encap:ethernet |
| 02:14.18 | nsadmin | ok good. |
| 02:14.19 | TGD17 | yes sir |
| 02:14.21 | nsadmin | this means: |
| 02:14.44 | xoz | things his /etc/network/interfaces has no auto eth0 |
| 02:14.44 | nsadmin | the ethernet card is supported by the kernel, |
| 02:14.49 | nsadmin | and the driver is loaded |
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| 02:15.31 | nsadmin | actually I have a suspicion... |
| 02:15.39 | nsadmin | type (as root): ifconfig |
| 02:15.49 | ganymede | i have a root access to box that is an LDAP client and all user information is stored an an LDAP server that i don't have access to. is there a way to add myself to a group only on this box here but not make any changes to the LDAP user? sort of like cascade group memberships...? (more specifically, i'm not part of the fuse group according to the LDAP server but i want to do sshfs on this box here) |
| 02:15.52 | nsadmin | what do you get paragraphs about? |
| 02:16.07 | TGD17 | link encap: local loopback |
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| 02:16.14 | TGD17 | inet addr: yada yada |
| 02:16.18 | nsadmin | so, lo only? |
| 02:16.20 | TGD17 | mask: yada yada |
| 02:16.35 | TGD17 | rx tx packets |
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| 02:16.44 | TGD17 | yes sir only lo |
| 02:16.49 | oh-hey | type "init 0" to reinitialize your NIC |
| 02:17.03 | amphi | oh-hey: wtf? |
| 02:17.10 | nsadmin | TGD17: and you did -not- get paragraph about eth0? |
| 02:17.25 | TGD17 | nope, didn't say anything |
| 02:17.28 | xoz | TGD17: try dhclient eth0 |
| 02:17.31 | TGD17 | ok |
| 02:17.33 | nsadmin | ok. |
| 02:17.42 | nsadmin | that's worth a try |
| 02:17.45 | pepin | type "sudo shutdown -r now" to gain opers |
| 02:18.05 | TGD17 | guys I know I am a frustrating, so thanks a lot. I want to rid myself of the shackles of windows |
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| 02:18.27 | TGD17 | ok did that last command |
| 02:18.37 | oh-hey | nah brah, init 0 |
| 02:19.04 | xoz | TGD17: ping debian.org |
| 02:19.08 | amphi | oh-hey, pepin: you seem to have lost your way to #tard |
| 02:19.09 | TGD17 | chown: failed to get attributes of 'etc/resolv.conf' no such file or directory |
| 02:19.13 | nsadmin | !ops oh-hey pepin suggesting things like type "sudo shutdown -r now" to gain oper |
| 02:19.13 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: oh-hey pepin suggesting things like type "sudo shutdown -r now" to gain oper |
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| 02:19.50 | oh-hey | i didnt suggestion shutdown -r now you dumb bitch |
| 02:19.53 | oh-hey | suggest* |
| 02:19.54 | pepin | lol |
| 02:20.02 | TGD17 | alright, pinging it |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | oh-hey: play nice or go away |
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| 02:20.51 | nsadmin | TGD17: is it returning ping replies? |
| 02:20.52 | oh-hey | !ops nsadmin messaging me with pornographic images |
| 02:20.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: oh-hey complains about: nsadmin messaging me with pornographic images |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | oh-hey: KNOCK IT OFF |
| 02:21.21 | TGD17 | yes |
| 02:21.22 | TGD17 | it is |
| 02:21.52 | nsadmin | so, you're up. now, you just need to make it do the dh thing on boot |
| 02:21.58 | xoz | use browser and go google |
| 02:22.01 | pepin | doesn't !ops usually escalate privs if you're on the list? |
| 02:22.10 | pepin | in this channel it looks like a tattlers' command |
| 02:22.14 | nsadmin | go go gadget google! |
| 02:22.17 | xoz | TGD17: you have to edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:22.18 | abrotman | pepin: do you need help? |
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| 02:22.24 | amphi | TGD17: man 5 interfaces |
| 02:22.27 | pepin | actually, I do |
| 02:22.32 | xoz | TGD17: add, auto eth0 |
| 02:22.45 | abrotman | does he actually have an eth0 ? |
| 02:22.52 | nsadmin | pepin: then don't try to screw up other people. |
| 02:22.55 | pepin | I debootstrapped a new chroot'd system, I'm building a straight forward boot->app image |
| 02:23.11 | pepin | I keep getting this "Authentication failure" message |
| 02:23.12 | pepin | any ideas? |
| 02:23.36 | xoz | TGD17: check if you have, auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp in that file |
| 02:24.02 | abrotman | he doesn't |
| 02:24.02 | TGD17 | how the hell do I stop this ping |
| 02:24.09 | xoz | TGD17: haha |
| 02:24.11 | nsadmin | ctrl-c |
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| 02:24.19 | xoz | welcome to linux |
| 02:24.21 | TGD17 | thanks |
| 02:24.22 | TGD17 | hahahaha |
| 02:24.39 | nsadmin | winders ping stops after 4 |
| 02:24.52 | TGD17 | indeed :\ |
| 02:25.04 | TGD17 | ok |
| 02:25.10 | xoz | TGD17: now, configure your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:25.27 | TGD17 | and I do that by add, auto eth0? |
| 02:25.33 | xoz | yep |
| 02:25.45 | nsadmin | to start with, yes |
| 02:26.05 | TGD17 | add,: command not found :| |
| 02:26.18 | xoz | and allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 02:26.23 | nsadmin | he's gotta edtor |
| 02:26.27 | xoz | and iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 02:26.54 | nsadmin | TGD17: nano /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 02:27.12 | TGD17 | ah yes |
| 02:27.16 | TGD17 | thank you nsadmin |
| 02:27.17 | TGD17 | :) |
| 02:27.29 | nsadmin | nano is pretty easy to figure out |
| 02:28.10 | TGD17 | I'll google it |
| 02:28.12 | nsadmin | see those ^F things at the bottiom? |
| 02:28.16 | TGD17 | yep |
| 02:28.36 | nsadmin | so ^f means ctrl-f |
| 02:28.58 | TGD17 | Alright good to know, I probably would have done ^f |
| 02:28.59 | TGD17 | hahaha |
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| 02:29.24 | xoz | haha, now you are learning the move |
| 02:29.33 | nsadmin | so you want to add these two lines near the bottom of the file |
| 02:29.43 | nsadmin | auto eth0 |
| 02:29.55 | nsadmin | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 02:30.13 | xoz | and allow-hotplug eth0 |
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| 02:30.26 | nsadmin | ok, 3 lines :) |
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| 02:31.23 | TGD17 | aright |
| 02:32.15 | TGD17 | added those |
| 02:32.24 | TGD17 | beneath iface lo inet loopback |
| 02:32.39 | xoz | TGD17: now try /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 02:32.47 | xoz | and ping debian.org again |
| 02:33.11 | xoz | TGD17: if it works, then it will be automatic next time you reboot |
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| 02:33.32 | TGD17 | so I don't need to like "save" nano or anything |
| 02:33.38 | TGD17 | just cctrl+X to exit? |
| 02:33.40 | xoz | TGD17: save it |
| 02:34.06 | xoz | TGD17: man interfaces for more info about what you did. |
| 02:35.05 | TGD17 | gargh how do you save it |
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| 02:35.35 | xoz | TGD17: ctrl-x, it will ask |
| 02:35.59 | TGD17 | sweet |
| 02:36.03 | TGD17 | ok im trying that |
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| 02:36.25 | TGD17 | no such file or directory |
| 02:36.53 | xoz | TGD17: sorry, networking instead of network |
| 02:37.35 | xoz | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:37.40 | TGD17 | nice |
| 02:37.41 | TGD17 | got it |
| 02:37.50 | xoz | ping debian.org |
| 02:38.07 | TGD17 | okay |
| 02:38.14 | TGD17 | 0% packet loss |
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| 02:38.49 | xoz | next will be to configure your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:39.06 | TGD17 | do I do that with Nano? |
| 02:39.13 | xoz | TGD17: yep |
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| 02:39.26 | TGD17 | okay im in |
| 02:40.00 | xoz | what is the default deb ...? |
| 02:40.14 | xoz | is it cdrom? or http? |
| 02:40.18 | tensorpudding | is packages.debian.org down? |
| 02:40.46 | TGD17 | cdrom |
| 02:41.18 | xoz | TGD17: add a '#' in the beginning to make the line inactive |
| 02:41.19 | abrotman | tensorpudding: no |
| 02:41.22 | xoz | then add the following lines |
| 02:41.49 | TGD17 | you want me to make the deb cdrom: line inactive? |
| 02:41.55 | xoz | by the way, are you using etch or lenny? |
| 02:41.59 | TGD17 | etch |
| 02:42.11 | xoz | TGD17: yep. you need to update the files online. |
| 02:42.19 | xoz | TGD17: from http |
| 02:42.29 | TGD17 | okay added the # |
| 02:42.37 | xoz | are you using etch? |
| 02:42.44 | TGD17 | yes sir |
| 02:42.51 | xoz | add this line |
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| 02:43.09 | xoz | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 02:43.13 | TGD17 | at the top? or bottom? does it matter ? |
| 02:43.32 | xoz | TGD17: does not matter |
| 02:43.41 | xoz | TGD17: try the bottom |
| 02:43.44 | TGD17 | okay |
| 02:43.48 | TGD17 | got done |
| 02:44.03 | xoz | TGD17: save it and do this command: apt-get update |
| 02:44.24 | phorce1 | aptitude uses all uncommented deb lines so position doesn't matter as far as I know |
| 02:44.38 | xoz | phorce1: correc |
| 02:44.50 | jpinx-eeepc | xoz: use aptitude ;) |
| 02:44.51 | TGD17 | E: Malformed line 1 in source list |
| 02:45.05 | phorce1 | xoz: may as well start teaching him/her to use aptitude instead of apt-get as well |
| 02:45.08 | xoz | TGD17: check again if you copied correctly |
| 02:45.39 | xoz | i still use apt-get because of its snappiness |
| 02:45.46 | TGD17 | ok Im back in |
| 02:45.48 | xoz | im impatient... hehe |
| 02:45.56 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell xoz why aptitude |
| 02:46.13 | xoz | jpinx-eeepc: i know. does not sell me that thing. |
| 02:46.33 | jpinx-eeepc | xoz aptitude is less prone to screw up newbies;) |
| 02:46.45 | TGD17 | ok got it |
| 02:46.46 | TGD17 | fixed |
| 02:46.59 | TGD17 | working :D |
| 02:47.02 | TGD17 | gracias |
| 02:47.05 | xoz | TGD17: try apt-get update or aptitude update. your choice |
| 02:47.31 | xoz | TGD17: now try, apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 02:47.34 | abrotman | please use aptitude |
| 02:47.54 | TGD17 | W: GPG error: http... : the following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available |
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| 02:48.19 | xoz | now, im off... please someone take over :).. bye bye all. |
| 02:48.35 | TGD17 | thanks a lot xoz |
| 02:49.37 | TGD17 | Anyone willing to help me out? |
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| 02:50.47 | TGD17 | alright I did aptitude dist-upgrade and its working |
| 02:51.32 | jpinx-eeepc | TGD17: what are you trying to do? |
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| 02:52.01 | TGD17 | well my netinstall disc(etch) was not working, so I pulled the network cable |
| 02:52.12 | TGD17 | then I manually set up my network card |
| 02:52.19 | TGD17 | all I have is the base system |
| 02:52.26 | TGD17 | now I am updating to the current distribution |
| 02:52.37 | TGD17 | wondering what I should do next |
| 02:52.41 | jpinx-eeepc | !tell TGD17 about etch->lenny |
| 02:54.05 | TGD17 | alright thanks |
| 02:54.12 | TGD17 | ill be back a bit later |
| 02:54.23 | TGD17 | g2g eat soup so farging cold |
| 02:55.12 | oh-hey | which userland process controls the runlevels in a linux environment |
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| 03:01.25 | amphi | oh-hey: init, if I understand your question |
| 03:01.49 | oh-hey | thats right! nice! |
| 03:01.51 | oh-hey | that was a test |
| 03:02.15 | amphi | how amusing |
| 03:02.25 | oh-hey | nice one amphi!! nice! |
| 03:02.29 | amphi | pops oh-hey into the oubliette |
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| 03:04.40 | TGD17 | okay, so I am looking to upgrade from etch-> lenny, just cleared my sources.list file |
| 03:04.40 | abrotman | cleared ? |
| 03:05.16 | TGD17 | I mean changed it all from etch to lenny |
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| 03:06.06 | abrotman | okay .. the bot gave you more instructions |
| 03:06.30 | TGD17 | only thing that is not commented out is deb http:/ftp/.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib correct? |
| 03:06.33 | TGD17 | just making sure |
| 03:06.45 | phorce1 | TGD17: just follow the rest of the instructions from the bot (aptitude update etc...) |
| 03:06.54 | d1b | TGD17: we would need to see the rest of the sources.. |
| 03:06.55 | phorce1 | TGD17: yes |
| 03:06.59 | oh-hey | yum update |
| 03:07.25 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 03:07.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@c-67-185-178-163.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] by abrotman |
| 03:07.29 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 03:07.51 | abrotman | oh-hey: you've been silenced for 10 minutes, please try to keep your comments helpful |
| 03:08.09 | TGD17 | just wondering guys - what is your favorite desktop environment? |
| 03:08.21 | phorce1 | TGD17: that's enough for the upgrade --- you need to add security later |
| 03:08.32 | TGD17 | I heard some good things about xfce |
| 03:08.36 | TGD17 | okay |
| 03:08.38 | TGD17 | will do |
| 03:08.39 | abrotman | TGD17: xfce is a good choice |
| 03:08.49 | abrotman | he should have security now |
| 03:09.24 | phorce1 | abrotman: read above TGD17> only thing that is not commented out is deb http:/ftp/.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib |
| 03:09.41 | TGD17 | what the heck is score is -283...? |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | he should still do the security stuff now |
| 03:09.58 | TGD17 | okay I will do it after I am done installing lenny |
| 03:10.19 | abrotman | TGD17: you should have two lines .. "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ main contrib" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib" |
| 03:10.33 | phorce1 | abrotman: after is fine -- he'll just have a couple more updates to download |
| 03:10.46 | abrotman | phorce1: except that he may have unmet dependencies |
| 03:10.55 | TGD17 | ok abrotman |
| 03:10.58 | phorce1 | abrotman: ahhh |
| 03:11.38 | TGD17 | configuring libc6... |
| 03:12.07 | TGD17 | just press enter? |
| 03:12.14 | phorce1 | TGD17: and unmet dependencies could cause the "score is ..." stuff |
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| 03:15.59 | TGD17 | alright doing the "full upgrade" now |
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| 03:16.23 | phorce1 | TGD17: add the security line first and do an update |
| 03:16.23 | jpinx-eeepc | etch->lenny for me took several iterations of aptitude full-upgrade to esolve everything |
| 03:16.26 | SRabbelier | I just freed up some a 65GB partition on my laptop (that has Debian installed), I want to dual boot Windows on that fresh partition, is that possible (I remember something about Windows wanting to be on the first parition)? |
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| 03:17.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | I need to add myself to the sudoers file I guess to use sudo commands. /etc/sudoers is the file I have read that needs edited but that too seems to need sudo to do. How do I run commands with sudo? |
| 03:17.41 | envirocbr | SRabbelier: It is best to install Windows first then Linux |
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| 03:17.57 | envirocbr | Otherwise you find yourself booting to live cd's and editing files |
| 03:18.06 | SRabbelier | envirocbr: aye, but I already have it the other way around :P |
| 03:18.08 | TGD17 | okay |
| 03:18.13 | envirocbr | LinuxGuy2009: Why not just use su - |
| 03:18.17 | envirocbr | su - |
| 03:18.25 | envirocbr | and then it will ask for the username |
| 03:18.41 | abrotman | SRabbelier: i like using the supergrub CD .. personal preference i suppose |
| 03:18.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | Oh ok. Bit different than the last debian based distro I ditched. Thank you. |
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| 03:19.32 | SRabbelier | abrotman: as in, install windows, then use supergrub to get grub back? |
| 03:19.36 | LtL | LinuxGuy2009: use the visudo command and add the user/commands. |
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| 03:20.03 | abrotman | you would use supergrub to boot your linux install .. and then update-grub;grub-install etc .. |
| 03:20.11 | fas3r | i try to use my usb key to install debian but all time this is failed |
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| 03:20.42 | Nithael_du_Lac | fas3r: what was the prompt error? |
| 03:20.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | So in straight Debian you just run su by itself and then all commands after that are automatically ran as super user or? |
| 03:21.06 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: or configure sudo correctly |
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| 03:21.39 | fas3r | Nithael_du_Lac: the reposery don't have "released " version |
| 03:21.42 | fas3r | something like that |
| 03:21.52 | jpinx-eeepc | LinuxGuy2009: su can let you log in as any user, but it defaults to root |
| 03:21.53 | LtL | LinuxGuy2009: su means switch user, invoke visudo to edit /etc/sudoers and add one simple line to make anyone have sudo pwers or adjust accordingly. |
| 03:22.13 | fas3r | i have try with zcat and apps like unetbootin but same result |
| 03:22.21 | Nithael_du_Lac | try to change the apt source for netinstall to stable ... |
| 03:22.31 | fas3r | Nithael_du_Lac: i try all version |
| 03:22.33 | SRabbelier | abrotman: ah, I'm using the new grub, will that be a problem for supergrub? |
| 03:22.34 | Nithael_du_Lac | seems to me that he is trying to find some packs in repos' ... |
| 03:22.39 | fas3r | i had* |
| 03:23.01 | Nithael_du_Lac | can't u just install basic? no GUI at all? |
| 03:23.05 | abrotman | SRabbelier: IIRC it has grub2 |
| 03:23.09 | fas3r | yes |
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| 03:23.19 | Nithael_du_Lac | so do it! ;-) |
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| 03:23.22 | fas3r | i can't install it |
| 03:23.29 | fas3r | in basic and GUI |
| 03:23.31 | fas3r | it's same |
| 03:24.05 | Nithael_du_Lac | it's same even when you uncheck the Desktop Enviroment box? the fisrt one? |
| 03:24.21 | fas3r | ? |
| 03:24.24 | Nithael_du_Lac | Then you have really a netinstall image on your usb flash drive, hun? |
| 03:24.44 | Nithael_du_Lac | what is the size of that image? |
| 03:24.51 | Nithael_du_Lac | on your usb flash drive? |
| 03:25.03 | fas3r | 150mo |
| 03:25.07 | dbe | Is there any specific modern laser printer that can be used from Debian from scratch without the need to install a separate driver to a good price? |
| 03:25.11 | fas3r | je sais ce que je dit quand meme |
| 03:25.29 | SRabbelier | abrotman: mhhh, their wiki is a bit.. ehm... lacking; maybe the forum has more *goes to look* |
| 03:26.02 | abrotman | or just try it ? |
| 03:26.11 | Nithael_du_Lac | je ne "speek" french... lol... |
| 03:26.12 | Nithael_du_Lac | sorry. |
| 03:26.14 | Nithael_du_Lac | ;-) |
| 03:26.33 | TGD17 | brain fart |
| 03:26.41 | TGD17 | anyone want to give me the source path for sources.list |
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| 03:26.52 | Nithael_du_Lac | what is the size of your flash drive? |
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| 03:27.08 | Pnux1 | TGD17: http://ftp.<mirror>.debian.org/? |
| 03:27.14 | LtL | TGD17: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:27.18 | Nithael_du_Lac | .. /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 03:27.22 | TGD17 | thank you |
| 03:27.28 | Pnux1 | oh |
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| 03:27.54 | jmarsden | TGD17: next time you lose a file, try locate NAME-OF-LOST-FILE |
| 03:27.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | When i go to nvidia and download the proprietary driver for my card do I just need to check for the required kernel version or how will I know what version of driver i can use? I just tried 190.42 and got an error about something being outdated for it. |
| 03:28.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ive installed it before in Ubuntu so I know a bit of what Im doing. |
| 03:28.42 | abrotman | no |
| 03:28.44 | TGD17 | okay added the security line |
| 03:28.47 | abrotman | !tell LinuxGuy2009 about nvidia |
| 03:28.49 | abrotman | !tell LinuxGuy2009 about nvidia one-liner |
| 03:28.52 | SRabbelier | abrotman: ah, I guess I could try it with my system still working indeed :P |
| 03:29.02 | abrotman | SRabbelier: brilliant plan! |
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| 03:29.10 | TGD17 | what did ya want me to do after that abrotman? |
| 03:29.29 | abrotman | TGD17: aptitude update && aptitude install dpkg aptitude && aptitude full-upgrade |
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| 03:30.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok cool, |
| 03:30.20 | SRabbelier | abrotman: if only resize2fs would finish, ah well, there's another day tomorrow, hopefully it'll be done by the time I get up; thanks for the suggestion |
| 03:30.50 | abrotman | how big is it ? |
| 03:30.52 | Pnux | a pretty stupid question that google wont help and wouldnt know where else to find it.. whats the difference between && and ; when running a few commands in the same line? |
| 03:31.24 | TGD17 | okay finished those commands abrotman |
| 03:31.35 | abrotman | no way? |
| 03:31.51 | Pnux | damn, that must be a hell of an internet connection |
| 03:31.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | One little thing i noticed was in nautilus with thumbnails of image files when i change the folder zoom level higher than 100% the thumbnails dont refresh to be clear. They just seem to get bigger but are blurry. Do I need to install something for that to work right or is it normal and I should just accept it? |
| 03:31.52 | abrotman | Pnux: did the first command fail ? |
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| 03:32.21 | Pnux | abrotman: im not sure what you mean, wrong person maybe? |
| 03:32.28 | SRabbelier | abrotman: the partition was 150GB, with only 30GB on it, resizing it to 60GB |
| 03:32.44 | jpinx-eeepc | LinuxGuy2009: change the default size of the thumbnails ? |
| 03:32.51 | SRabbelier | Pnux: if you do && it stops if the lhs command fails |
| 03:32.54 | abrotman | Pnux: nope .. `mkdir /asdf/asdf/asdf/ ; cd /asdf/asdf' compared to `mkdir /asdf/asdf/asdf/ && cd /asdf/asdf' |
| 03:33.00 | SRabbelier | Pnux: if you use ; it continues |
| 03:33.06 | Pnux | ooh, i see.. thanks |
| 03:33.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | jpinx-eeepc: Yes you know in teh top where you can change the preview from 100% default to lower or higher. |
| 03:34.19 | TGD17 | Anything critical I need to do before installing a desktop enviornment abrotman? |
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| 03:35.18 | abrotman | TGD17: nope .. `aptitude update && aptitude install xorg xfce4 gdm xchat` |
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| 03:35.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | jpinx-eeepc: Anything higher than 100% makes them less sharp, they get blurry like the preview image isnt resized. |
| 03:35.31 | Pnux | TGD17: the only one i can think of only matters if you are installing KDE and swicthing to testing or unstable |
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| 03:36.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | Nobody has ever noticed this before? |
| 03:36.39 | TGD17 | okay put that command in |
| 03:36.42 | TGD17 | ... done |
| 03:36.46 | abrotman | Pnux: he's not |
| 03:36.52 | TGD17 | how do you fire 'er up |
| 03:37.06 | abrotman | TGD17: do you have the fastest internet connection int eh world ? |
| 03:37.24 | TGD17 | hahaha |
| 03:37.26 | TGD17 | umm... |
| 03:37.33 | TGD17 | it wasn't supposed to be fast? |
| 03:37.46 | TGD17 | the only thing that it did was aptitude update I think |
| 03:38.02 | TGD17 | it said 404 not found in the middle |
| 03:38.02 | SRabbelier | TGD17: it might help if you pasted the output of that command to pastebin |
| 03:38.07 | SRabbelier | d'oh :P |
| 03:38.29 | abrotman | TGD17: i thought you said the internet was working ? |
| 03:38.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | I forgot how snappy pure Debian was. |
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| 03:38.55 | TGD17 | it was |
| 03:39.08 | TGD17 | just removed the aptiutude update && command |
| 03:39.11 | TGD17 | and its working now |
| 03:39.20 | TGD17 | downloading the xfce |
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| 03:39.28 | TGD17 | your a big help abrotman |
| 03:39.55 | abrotman | it was 'aptitude update' .. but okay |
| 03:40.01 | TGD17 | question, my brother keeps telling me I need gentoo because its the most customizable & therefore faster... |
| 03:40.02 | TGD17 | I know |
| 03:40.05 | TGD17 | I just typed that quick |
| 03:40.11 | TGD17 | sorry lol |
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| 03:41.20 | abrotman | brothers aren't always that smart .. mine decided to spend the 'summer' in Antarctica |
| 03:41.43 | _diablo | hello, I just upgraded from lenny to squeeze and my network manager isn't working |
| 03:41.53 | _diablo | as in, it doesn't even show up anymore |
| 03:42.10 | what | _diablo: is the process running? |
| 03:42.19 | Pnux | what a bum, kick him out of your house! |
| 03:42.25 | what | ps auxwwf|grep -i manag |
| 03:42.29 | Pnux | whats wrong with that abrotman? |
| 03:42.43 | abrotman | Pnux: summer there is like 30F? :) |
| 03:42.43 | _diablo | what, yes. |
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| 03:43.20 | what | _diablo: killall gnome-panel |
| 03:43.42 | Pnux | abrotman: coldness doesnt really matter, you just wear lots of clothes.. |
| 03:43.43 | _diablo | what: still doesn't show up |
| 03:43.54 | what | _diablo: what icon set |
| 03:44.15 | _diablo | what: the standard one, not sure |
| 03:44.16 | abrotman | Pnux: you keep telling yourself that |
| 03:44.19 | _diablo | what: this is a fresh install |
| 03:44.47 | what | ok _diablo; past my current paygrade, still at work lol, perhaps someone else will have addl ideas |
| 03:45.46 | Pnux | abrotman: really.. i live in a cold place so if i get cold, i just wear more clothes.. its way worse to live on a really hot place.. you cant remove layers of skin to cool.. |
| 03:45.54 | abrotman | _diablo: make sure it's installed .. and you have a notification area |
| 03:46.05 | _diablo | what; thanks anyway |
| 03:46.15 | abrotman | Pnux: sorry, -40F doesn't sound like anything i can dress up for :) |
| 03:46.25 | what | lulz abrotman |
| 03:46.28 | _diablo | abrotman, it is installed. it is running (has a PID), my notification is showing my battery icon |
| 03:46.34 | what | it can be done, but you need close to a body suit to be safe |
| 03:46.41 | what | gortex for the win. |
| 03:46.42 | Pnux | abrotman: what about athermical clothes? like neoprenne or however they are spelt? |
| 03:46.54 | abrotman | Pnux: not sure what they wear |
| 03:47.01 | _diablo | abrotman, when I added network monitor to my panel and clicked on it, it says: |
| 03:47.01 | _diablo | Please contact your system administrator to resolve the following problem: |
| 03:47.02 | _diablo | Could not find information on interface 'eth0:avahi' in /proc/net/dev |
| 03:47.02 | what | i've done close to that _in gortex_ |
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| 03:47.17 | abrotman | _diablo: aptitude install gnome ? |
| 03:47.50 | what | _diablo: might i ask if your doing wireless? |
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| 03:47.59 | Nithael_du_Lac | Pnux: HEre in BRasil freaking heat i use a nice cold beer.... ;-) |
| 03:48.04 | jpinx-eeepc | _diablo: you know that you are meant to be able to sort these things out yourself if you choose to run squeeze? |
| 03:48.07 | Pnux | abrotman: me neither, but if people chose to live there, i dont think as coldness as an issue.. besides, think how much free time youd have |
| 03:48.13 | what | because if not, i tend to take out avahi and network-manager-applet or w/e |
| 03:48.21 | abrotman | Pnux: #debian-offtopic if you really want to continue this |
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| 03:48.22 | _diablo | abrotman, ahhh! it has a ton of things to be installed |
| 03:48.22 | what | and configure back at /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:48.35 | Pnux | Nithael_du_Lac: you cant drink Skol everytime everyday.. |
| 03:48.43 | _diablo | what: i'm connected via ethernet now, but wireless is what I desire eventually |
| 03:48.52 | _diablo | jpinx-eeepc, thanks for the tips. |
| 03:48.53 | Nithael_du_Lac | Pnux: Say it by yourself.... WEAK... |
| 03:48.56 | Nithael_du_Lac | Pnux: Muwawawa! |
| 03:48.58 | Nithael_du_Lac | LOL |
| 03:49.01 | what | _diablo: then continue in the process, its ultimately greatly useful for wireless imo\ |
| 03:49.16 | what | which - is just MY opinion ^_~ |
| 03:49.28 | TGD17 | how to I fire up xfce |
| 03:49.31 | TGD17 | brotman |
| 03:49.36 | abrotman | TGD17: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 03:49.46 | _diablo | what, abrotman: networkmanager had been downloaded, but not fully configured. Thanks for the help :) |
| 03:49.56 | Nithael_du_Lac | Pnux: and god says:. LET IT BE THE CENTRAL AIRCOOLER |
| 03:50.05 | what | _diablo: dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> helps tons |
| 03:50.11 | abrotman | Nithael_du_Lac: #debian-offtopic please |
| 03:50.12 | TGD17 | beautiful. Thank you |
| 03:50.19 | Nithael_du_Lac | SORRY ... |
| 03:50.25 | what | -CAPS |
| 03:50.28 | what | !caps |
| 03:50.29 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words, put an underscore ("_") on both sides. |
| 03:50.40 | Nithael_du_Lac | *whisper* so r r y. |
| 03:50.44 | what | _OMG_ <- bad |
| 03:50.45 | Nithael_du_Lac | -.-' |
| 03:50.48 | abrotman | !ot |
| 03:50.48 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 03:51.01 | TGD17 | lol, how long does the screen stay black for ?..... |
| 03:51.09 | abrotman | TGD17: hopefully not long |
| 03:51.16 | TGD17 | gargh damn |
| 03:51.23 | TGD17 | its taking awhile |
| 03:51.33 | what | abrotman: hey know of any in-windows implementations that work in windows7? i've not actually searched [SORRY I KNOW], just curious offhand |
| 03:51.36 | abrotman | TGD17: maybe restart the machine |
| 03:51.46 | abrotman | what: implementations of what ? |
| 03:51.48 | TGD17 | alright, will do |
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| 03:52.14 | what | abrotman: i'm rather open, not wubi/dual boot; more like qmeu/virtualbox/thatotheroneyouinstall |
| 03:52.17 | what | lemme search |
| 03:52.29 | abrotman | what: to do what?! |
| 03:52.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | My system is downloading the nvidia driver 170 from the repos, from the internet. When I get all 5 DVDs done downloaded burned and added to the sources will the driver be on one of them by chance? |
| 03:53.05 | TGD17 | bad ass ! thank you brotman |
| 03:53.17 | Nithael_du_Lac | i dont think so...they're proprietary. |
| 03:53.25 | Nithael_du_Lac | LInuxGuy2009 - above |
| 03:53.28 | what | abrotman: well, i'd like a bunch of things from linux in this particular windows install. Also i am forced to use windows as my OS. |
| 03:53.48 | TGD17 | Thank you very much brotman, you made my day :) |
| 03:53.58 | what | I just cant remember for the life of me what it was i installed last year inside windows to do jsut that |
| 03:54.02 | what | s/jsut/just |
| 03:54.21 | abrotman | what: you're still not making sense |
| 03:54.28 | abrotman | colinux? vmware? |
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| 03:54.36 | what | ya maybe colinux |
| 03:54.41 | Pnux | what: guess editions? |
| 03:54.46 | Pnux | *guest |
| 03:55.37 | Pnux | *additions |
| 03:57.33 | Nithael_du_Lac | LinuxGuy2009: i recommend for Nvidia drivers compilling using tha one in the main nvidia site. - but it is really one personal preference. |
| 03:58.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok thanks |
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| 03:58.41 | abrotman | Nithael_du_Lac: don't tell people to do that |
| 03:59.03 | abrotman | next time he updates his kernel, it will break |
| 03:59.05 | what | abrotman: it would be valid in #ubuntu :P |
| 03:59.10 | what | [sorry offtopic] |
| 03:59.21 | Nithael_du_Lac | i'ved say that is ONE preference.. mine. Not only solution. |
| 03:59.28 | Pnux | dont get me started with ubuntu |
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| 03:59.49 | Pnux | LinuxGuy2009: dont do that unless you plan to stick to the same kernel |
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| 04:00.00 | abrotman | what: so go to #ubuntu |
| 04:00.04 | what | abrotman: also there was a script i found that did the dkms update automagically, seemed reliable. |
| 04:00.16 | abrotman | what: do you need Debian help? |
| 04:00.22 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok i have ccsm, nvidia driver, compiz plugins, where do i flip on the use of effects? |
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| 04:00.41 | Nithael_du_Lac | compiz-manager |
| 04:00.45 | Nithael_du_Lac | ;-) |
| 04:00.47 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: plesae do not use the nvidia drivers from nvidia.com ... use the method at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 04:01.03 | what | abrotman: i've asked my question, unless you know if referesh is any better with qmeu than colinux, or have other recommendations for similar [not vmsare/virtualbox] |
| 04:01.11 | what | s/vmsare/vmware |
| 04:01.19 | abrotman | that's not even english |
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| 04:01.27 | what | most certainly is. |
| 04:01.44 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 04:01.57 | what | Screen referesh bugs with colinux abound in my experience to date, similar with qmeu, not as bad in virtualbox, slightly worse than vmware. |
| 04:02.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Well why would i stick with a 2D desktop for? |
| 04:02.17 | abrotman | that's not what i said |
| 04:02.20 | el_compA | Do you guys recommend installing an antivirus ... And if i decide to which is better clam or avast |
| 04:02.33 | abrotman | there's avast for linux? |
| 04:02.37 | abrotman | clamav is already in debian |
| 04:02.43 | what | LinuxGuy2009: if you mean the nvidia thing, he said dont use the ones from nvidia, meaning do use the ones from teh repo |
| 04:02.51 | what | abrotman: yeah |
| 04:02.55 | what | avast for linux is decent |
| 04:03.01 | Pnux | el_compA: why would you want that? the main reason i switched to Linux was because of the virus.. |
| 04:03.36 | what | el_compA: i recommend you do, worms and trojans can still attack, your user files are still in danger. |
| 04:04.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | what: Well thats what I was just asking about. I installed the nvidia from synaptic and I asked earlier if that would be on one of the 5 DVDs that Im currently downloading. I have 3 more disks downloading that are half done so I cant check them yet. |
| 04:04.11 | el_compA | what: Ok would you recommend avast or clam |
| 04:04.24 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: no, it will not be on those DVDs |
| 04:04.29 | abrotman | el_compA: clamav is already in Debian |
| 04:04.43 | el_compA | Yea but is it better than avast? |
| 04:04.46 | what | el_compA: i'm agnostic to package, i've used both. |
| 04:04.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok |
| 04:04.58 | abrotman | el_compA: avast isn't in debian .. how would we know? |
| 04:05.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | Where do you enable desktop effects? |
| 04:05.40 | ctmjr | LinuxGuy2009: install fusion-icon to control compiz |
| 04:05.57 | abrotman | el_compA: which version of Debian is this? |
| 04:06.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | ctmjr: Oh stupid me. Been so long since I was on Debian before I forgot about that. Thanks. |
| 04:06.21 | el_compA | I have not installed debian yet buy was planning to |
| 04:06.40 | el_compA | And I was searching around about antivirus for Linux |
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| 04:07.35 | Pnux | el_compA: you dont really have to worry that much.. people have been using Debian for years without antivirus and nothing happened to them |
| 04:07.46 | el_compA | Ok cool |
| 04:10.05 | el_compA | Thanks |
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| 04:13.27 | Pnux | el_compA: i do suggest you to make some backups regularily of _your_ important files (this mean your documents) as theres always the slight possibility that your system get infected. But its really odd that it will break your system completly |
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| 04:29.40 | TGD17 | Hey |
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| 04:31.38 | TGD17 | I just need to know how to install packages |
| 04:31.54 | KnuckOne | apt-get install packagename |
| 04:32.02 | KnuckOne | as root indeed ;) |
| 04:32.29 | Pnux | i find "aptitude install <package>" way better |
| 04:33.07 | TGD17 | how do you guys get the names of particular packages |
| 04:33.29 | Pnux | TGD17: google or "aptitude search" |
| 04:33.39 | KnuckOne | you may want to read the aptitude guide TGD17: http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 04:34.56 | TGD17 | That makes no sense... |
| 04:35.36 | KiloBravoEight | the debian site has a pretty good search of their own packages |
| 04:35.37 | Pnux | TGD17: what makes no sense? |
| 04:35.50 | TGD17 | I am using apitude right now, searched flash player |
| 04:35.54 | TGD17 | aptitude |
| 04:36.00 | TGD17 | didn't come up with much |
| 04:36.03 | MAd_haTTer | aptitude search flash |
| 04:36.05 | MAd_haTTer | no spaces |
| 04:36.22 | MAd_haTTer | try 'aptitude search flash |less' |
| 04:36.44 | MAd_haTTer | aptitude > apt-get |
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| 04:38.53 | TGD17 | ok I found it |
| 04:38.58 | TGD17 | but what does non-free mean lol |
| 04:39.45 | jaallen | lol |
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| 04:39.48 | TGD17 | but what does non-free mean lol |
| 04:39.52 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:39.52 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 04:40.02 | TGD17 | I just used apt-get on the flash |
| 04:40.08 | TGD17 | do I need to install it or anything? |
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| 04:40.20 | TGD17 | or restart my computer ? :D |
| 04:40.39 | jaallen | the new health care bill, is "non-free" |
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| 04:40.48 | jaallen | to most of us, same thing |
| 04:40.53 | jaallen | lol |
| 04:41.41 | KnuckOne | "restart your computer" ? Forget about this :] |
| 04:41.51 | TGD17 | ok, good |
| 04:41.52 | TGD17 | :D |
| 04:42.08 | TGD17 | what do I need to do to get that package to work. I downloaded it with apt-get |
| 04:42.34 | KnuckOne | TGD17: it's not donwloading, apt-get downloads then installs |
| 04:42.34 | TGD17 | just restart ice weasel? |
| 04:42.44 | MAd_haTTer | yes |
| 04:42.47 | KnuckOne | but you should use aptitude as the others said :D |
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| 04:42.51 | MAd_haTTer | then run the .exe |
| 04:43.08 | TGD17 | I just restarted iceweasel, no good |
| 04:43.47 | Pnux | TGD17: well, you should probably use Synaptic for now.. but i recommend aptitude once you understand a little bit more how terminals work |
| 04:43.50 | Pnux | TGD17: dont worry, non-free doesnt mean you have to pay for it |
| 04:43.52 | Pnux | iceweasel? what does iceweasel have to do with aptitude? |
| 04:43.57 | MAd_haTTer | well if you want to *install* a package perhaps you should use the *install* argument to apt |
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| 04:44.16 | MAd_haTTer | man aptitude |
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| 04:44.30 | TGD17 | thats it |
| 04:44.37 | KnuckOne | Pnux: TGD17 wants to install flash plugin |
| 04:44.39 | TGD17 | synaptic was what I used last time |
| 04:45.17 | TGD17 | Not sure if I have it downloaded on this computer - or does it come with lenny? |
| 04:46.00 | Pnux | TGD17: im pretty much sure you need to install the package named "adobe-flashplugin" |
| 04:46.38 | TGD17 | terminal: install adobe-flashplugin? |
| 04:47.16 | MAd_haTTer | lol |
| 04:47.20 | MAd_haTTer | all your guys.. |
| 04:48.04 | TGD17 | ok, just did apt-get install synaptic |
| 04:48.16 | jaallen | -v |
| 04:48.18 | TGD17 | hoping that will ease me into the world of package installation |
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| 04:48.36 | jaallen | verbose, will let you see whats going down as well TGD: |
| 04:48.56 | jaallen | apt-get -v install foomatic |
| 04:48.58 | TGD17 | alrighty |
| 04:49.17 | TGD17 | should I add synaptic to my sources.list file? |
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| 04:50.12 | TGD17 | ok how do get synaptic to run |
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| 04:52.33 | TGD17 | someone just help me out please lol |
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| 04:53.09 | Pnux | aptitude install adobe-flashplugin |
| 04:53.09 | Pnux | on a terminal |
| 04:53.11 | Pnux | ? |
| 04:53.13 | Pnux | _use_ _aptitude_ |
| 04:53.15 | Pnux | do you have a desktop manager? |
| 04:53.21 | Pnux | im pretty much sure running "synaptic" on a terminal works.. you can also go to the menu and search for it |
| 04:54.41 | TGD17 | got it |
| 04:54.44 | TGD17 | yea |
| 04:54.48 | TGD17 | wait |
| 04:54.55 | TGD17 | I have an "enviornment" |
| 04:55.02 | TGD17 | what is a manager? hmm |
| 04:55.29 | TGD17 | I got synaptic working tho |
| 04:55.30 | puff | TGD17: Typically he's an older guy with a suit and tie and no understanding of technology. |
| 04:55.55 | TGD17 | good one. Real knee slapper |
| 04:56.00 | puff | TGD17: A desktop manager is essentially the GUI. Strictly speaking, it is the program that uses the underlying X Windows technology in order to provide a GUI. |
| 04:56.08 | SuperMiguel | whats the name of the speed step in amd? |
| 04:56.09 | puff | Also called a Window Manager. |
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| 04:56.40 | puff | Hm. I have had no luck with excluding directories in rsync, I'm thinking about unmounting /home for a bit and rsyncing / from box A to box B. |
| 04:57.01 | KnuckOne | SuperMiguel: powernow-kX (where x == 8 or 7 afaik) |
| 04:57.47 | SuperMiguel | KnuckOne, nu |
| 04:58.02 | TGD17 | god damn even synaptic could not get ice weasel to oblige |
| 04:58.10 | TGD17 | still wont play flash content |
| 04:58.17 | SuperMiguel | KnuckOne, Cool and Quiet =) |
| 04:58.27 | KnuckOne | ah, the commercial name ! |
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| 04:59.41 | coofish | ? |
| 04:59.49 | SuperMiguel | KnuckOne, if my BIOS doesnt let me disable it .. can i still disable it? |
| 04:59.51 | TGD17 | what do I need to do to get iceweasel to play flash content ? |
| 04:59.55 | jaallen | I would go into a technical way to make sure your lib for it was in your path, and in your lib cache, but watching, I dont have that much time TGD, google it out, I just did, and your answer will arrive, this way, you will learn |
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| 05:00.11 | jaallen | its not that hard, we all started in "nixes" too |
| 05:00.33 | jaallen | at one time brother |
| 05:00.39 | jaallen | ;-) |
| 05:00.48 | KiloBravoEight | XENIX! |
| 05:00.52 | KiloBravoEight | 386 |
| 05:01.00 | jaallen | NeXT |
| 05:01.08 | jaallen | and still using it |
| 05:01.27 | jaallen | sometimes |
| 05:01.30 | jaallen | lol |
| 05:01.52 | coofish | hi,everyon,how can I know the directory size without decompressing an arch? |
| 05:02.20 | KiloBravoEight | actually, i was playin with unix before that ...but that was so long ago that none of that applied ... the xenix machine was at work and i had lots of time to play with it and lots of backups to repair what i did to it |
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| 05:02.50 | KnuckOne | SuperMiguel: no idea, but afaik if you don't use cpufreq and blacklist powernow-k8 it should be fine |
| 05:02.58 | coofish | tar -? |
| 05:03.49 | pipeline_ | xenix sucked |
| 05:03.53 | pipeline_ | thank god SCO blew their own legs off |
| 05:03.57 | pipeline_ | or else we would still be living with it |
| 05:04.02 | MJEvans | coofish: why not 'test' verbosely the compressed archive for an estimate |
| 05:04.16 | phorce1 | TGD17: apt-cache search flash <--- it's somewhere in the list |
| 05:04.27 | TGD17 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:04.32 | TGD17 | and downloaded it |
| 05:04.35 | TGD17 | installed it |
| 05:04.50 | TGD17 | problem is it just isn't working with iceweasel |
| 05:06.01 | phorce1 | TGD17: kinda depends on the content too. The free player doesn't always work with newer sites. Hell, even the non free player from Adobe doesn't always work |
| 05:06.14 | jaallen | Kilo: I hear that, the wonders of root as a newb... |
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| 05:07.23 | phorce1 | TGD17: but the non-free one does usually work better. |
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| 05:10.37 | TGD17 | ok |
| 05:10.45 | TGD17 | just added non-free to my sources file |
| 05:11.11 | TGD17 | just trying to get youtube running |
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| 05:12.10 | stealth_ | I just set up ssh key login and got this error after finishing: Agent admitted failure to sign using the key. |
| 05:12.14 | stealth_ | any help? |
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| 05:15.33 | TGD17 | how do you install tar |
| 05:15.35 | lolskes | stealth_: did you use a guide? which one |
| 05:15.53 | stealth_ | http://sial.org/howto/openssh/publickey-auth/ |
| 05:16.03 | stealth_ | I think I found the issue. If I run "ssh-add", I can log in |
| 05:16.22 | stealth_ | but however I read that I have to enter that *every* time I restart my machine, is that true? |
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| 05:17.11 | Kamping_Kaiser | TGD17: tar is installed by default |
| 05:17.19 | lolskes | stealth_: why don't you use keychain? |
| 05:17.24 | stealth_ | actually, It appears the tutorial covers that..... Opps, I thought that was one of those "extra features if you want to" sections.... Sorry to bother you guys, I'll go read the rest. |
| 05:17.38 | fas3r | can i use the history number line instead rewrite the line ^^ -.-' ? |
| 05:17.38 | lolskes | yeah, I was about to say read further |
| 05:17.55 | stealth_ | lolskes: does the tutorial cover that? |
| 05:18.08 | Kamping_Kaiser | fas3r: you can search backwards with ^R (assuming your using bash) |
| 05:18.09 | lolskes | stealth_: no |
| 05:18.22 | lolskes | stealth_: i've found keychain to be more convenient to use |
| 05:18.31 | stealth_ | lolskes: okay, i'll google it. Thanks |
| 05:18.38 | lolskes | stealth_: it's a wrapper script for ssh-agent and gnupg-agent |
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| 05:20.06 | stealth_ | oh, I see. Whats the package name? |
| 05:20.27 | lolskes | mentioned ;) |
| 05:20.43 | stealth_ | oh, lol. I didn't think it would be just "keychain" |
| 05:20.59 | stealth_ | Thanks for the help, I'll definately check that out :) |
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| 05:28.04 | f00li5h-mortal | my box is humped, and I want to get back my databases ... would databases (pg and mysql) be on /var? |
| 05:28.28 | EdSwarthout | under gnome, how do I stop juicer from being started when I put in a cd? |
| 05:29.03 | PinkFreud | f00li5h-mortal: by default, they should be. |
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| 05:30.33 | jmarsden | f00li5h-mortal: Probably, but unless you know a lot about databases, or made good database backups using pgdump and mysqldump already, it might be easier to "de-hump" the machine ? "Humped" is not a commonly used computing or networking term... any chance you could be more precise about the actual issue? |
| 05:31.04 | f00li5h-mortal | I'd say that lost partition table, and IO errors on read/write/boot is the same as saying "humped" |
| 05:32.06 | f00li5h-mortal | although the common term is b0rked ... |
| 05:32.06 | jmarsden | f00li5h-mortal: OK. So, you have imaged the drive, and tried utilities to rebuild a partition table, right? How far did you get? |
| 05:32.14 | xoz | thought only tiger can hump ;( |
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| 05:32.30 | f00li5h-mortal | I just got here, i'm burning an install disk now |
| 05:33.57 | f00li5h-mortal | I happen to have the output of `mount` and the app that lists the partition table, but who's name I forget ... |
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| 05:34.54 | jmarsden | Is (was?) /var a separate partition? And I think you might mean fdisk ? |
| 05:36.10 | f00li5h-mortal | indeed /var is seperate... which is why I asked so hopefully ;) |
| 05:36.14 | f00li5h-mortal | I might mean fdisk |
| 05:36.37 | PinkFreud | jmarsden: I took 'humped' to be a slightly less vulgar form of, uh, fscked. :P |
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| 05:38.20 | f00li5h-mortal | it's good enough for wash, it's good enough for me! |
| 05:39.11 | f00li5h-mortal | sure hopes that the mysql/psql files will know the version they come from |
| 05:39.34 | PinkFreud | hehe |
| 05:40.15 | PinkFreud | f00li5h-mortal: if the minor version differs, it probably won't matter |
| 05:40.54 | jmarsden | f00li5h-mortal: First, hope the chunk of your disk they are on is readable :) Then, worry about the filesystem being in decent enough shape to be mounted. *Then*, you can start worrying about the content of the files and matching up version numbers :) |
| 05:41.29 | fas3r | can i execute a script when a user connect with ssh ? |
| 05:41.34 | f00li5h-mortal | I'm an optimist... |
| 05:41.41 | TGD17 | got it working :DDDDD |
| 05:41.47 | f00li5h-mortal | fas3r: stuff it in their .bashrc or .profile |
| 05:41.49 | TGD17 | now about my sound.............................. |
| 05:41.49 | jmarsden | f00li5h-mortal: That would explain the lack of backups... |
| 05:42.18 | jaallen | TGD: good work mah mang! |
| 05:42.25 | f00li5h-mortal | jmarsden: ironically, I raised some tickets in RT about a week ago for backups... and I was part way through implementing the ones for the databases when it caught on fire |
| 05:42.59 | f00li5h-mortal | single user mode is no good -_- |
| 05:43.08 | PinkFreud | lp0 on fire? |
| 05:43.10 | PinkFreud | :) |
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| 05:43.38 | Kamping_Kaiser | single user is always good :) |
| 05:43.53 | f00li5h-mortal | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:44.02 | jmarsden | f00li5h-mortal: So much for optimism. Booting from something like sysrescuecd and using that as your rescue platform is the general direction I'd probably head in... |
| 05:44.35 | d1b | fenix is nicer :P |
| 05:44.42 | d1b | fennix* |
| 05:44.43 | f00li5h-mortal | jmarsden: you mean sysrescuecd.org? |
| 05:44.58 | d1b | finnix* |
| 05:45.01 | f00li5h-mortal | d1b: does "nice" mean "more likely to recover data" or "pretty" |
| 05:45.04 | jmarsden | Yes. But use whatever rescue distribution and tools you are familliar with. |
| 05:45.25 | d1b | f00li5h-mortal: means debian, meaning can install the tools you need if they are missing. |
| 05:45.31 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:45.55 | f00li5h-mortal | is not fimiliar with rescue tools... hardware is normally rotated before it fails |
| 05:46.08 | f00li5h-mortal | 'cept someone didn't re-order this time ... |
| 05:46.23 | f00li5h-mortal | hot day + old hardware ... no good |
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| 05:48.12 | jmarsden | f00li5h-mortal: I think Finnix is "more Debian-like, and less pretty" than sysrescuecd. But I've never used it. So if you are comfortable at a Debian bash prompt, Finnix could be a good choice for you. |
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| 05:48.42 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm... my old hardware keeps working. blame your pc crap :) |
| 05:48.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | stops trolling and goes afk |
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| 05:49.57 | jaallen | humped:borked:foobarred all means your fsck'd |
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| 05:50.11 | jaallen | err |
| 05:50.14 | jaallen | close |
| 05:50.16 | jaallen | lol |
| 05:50.52 | f00li5h-mortal | Kamping_Kaiser: well, sure... I just didn't have the budget for a sun box at the time |
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| 05:51.30 | wat | what do i need to install to get the configure script of "./configure" fame |
| 05:53.58 | massmc | hi, how to check space left on disk in shell |
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| 05:54.36 | jmarsden | massmc: df -h |
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| 05:55.39 | jmarsden | wat: Either the source code tarball for the software in question that already includes a configure script, or else you need to have all tha autotools stuff installed and use something like autoreconf (if the tarball only has a configure.ac file) |
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| 05:56.31 | jmarsden | wat: "For 'all the autotools stuff', try something like aptitude install automake autoconf libtool # as a starting point. |
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| 05:58.22 | massmc | thank you jmarsden |
| 05:58.36 | massmc | How do i see what each user is using space |
| 05:58.58 | wat | awesome man thanks, make worked after that |
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| 05:59.13 | wat | trying to get sound to work with some new ati/amd motherboard |
| 05:59.14 | jmarsden | massmc: du -sh /home/* # if each user only has files in their /home/USERNAME directory. |
| 05:59.15 | markybob | massmc, sudo du -sh /home |
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| 06:00.11 | jmarsden | markybob: That would give you a total for all users, not "what each user" has, I think. |
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| 06:01.52 | f00li5h-mortal | du -sh /home/* |
| 06:02.29 | f00li5h-mortal | if you're feeling funky, you can parse /etc/passwd and check each entry there ... |
| 06:02.44 | f00li5h-mortal | 'course that's no good if you're using a directory of any kind |
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| 06:04.43 | |r3m| | Hi, is there a way to display each driver currently used. I would like to compile a new kernel with only those drivers |
| 06:05.15 | Tw33k^ | |r3m|: you can use lsmod for that |
| 06:05.26 | Tw33k^ | that'll show all modules loaded |
| 06:05.31 | |r3m| | Tw33k^: thanks! |
| 06:05.37 | markybob | no. lsmod only shows modules...not all drivers |
| 06:05.47 | Tw33k^ | although those are loadable modules |
| 06:05.47 | markybob | if it's built-in, it wont show |
| 06:05.54 | Tw33k^ | <M> in make config |
| 06:06.05 | |r3m| | markybob: is there a way to have both list |
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| 06:06.16 | Tw33k^ | |r3m|: thats a bit trickier |
| 06:06.39 | Tw33k^ | you don't know the drivers you need? |
| 06:07.05 | markybob | |r3m|, lspci is a great help |
| 06:07.23 | TGD17 | I need help getting my volume to work |
| 06:07.24 | Tw33k^ | you can't really list the built in drivers which are in use by your hardware |
| 06:07.25 | markybob | |r3m|, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 06:07.28 | TGD17 | anyone ? :D |
| 06:07.31 | Tw33k^ | they're either included or not |
| 06:08.05 | Tw33k^ | |r3m|: learn what hardware you've got and consider which drivers you'll need based on architecture, hardware and filesystem etc |
| 06:08.22 | |r3m| | Tw33k^: thanks! |
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| 06:10.51 | markybob | wowie |
| 06:11.00 | tensorpudding | zowie |
| 06:11.29 | Tw33k^ | so sup gents? |
| 06:11.59 | TGD17 | trying to get my sound to work |
| 06:12.06 | TGD17 | got the flash player to work ^.^ |
| 06:12.14 | Tw33k^ | does sound work at all? |
| 06:12.17 | Tw33k^ | or just in flash |
| 06:12.21 | TGD17 | trying to get aMSN to work atm |
| 06:12.23 | TGD17 | nope |
| 06:12.35 | TGD17 | I mean... I don't have anything outside of that to try it on |
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| 06:13.03 | markybob | TGD17, sure you do. cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 06:13.13 | Tw33k^ | markybob: :o |
| 06:13.52 | Tw33k^ | i never thought of that |
| 06:13.56 | Tw33k^ | that's freaking great! |
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| 06:15.47 | TGD17 | ill give that a try after Amsn is done installing |
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| 06:16.15 | TGD17 | you guys want to point me in the direction of a nice low resource pdf viewer? |
| 06:16.50 | markybob | TGD17, xpdf is probably the least resource intensive |
| 06:17.06 | |r3m| | Should I choose VirtualBox or xen |
| 06:17.18 | markybob | |r3m|, if you need to ask, virtualbox |
| 06:17.47 | Tw33k^ | lol |
| 06:18.45 | TGD17 | yay ! no problems on my amsn install :D |
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| 06:20.08 | _w | Hey all. Does anyone know why my mdadm raid-5 array would be working at only 1MB/sec? |
| 06:20.15 | _w | It's not rebuilding... everything's clean. |
| 06:22.17 | Tw33k^ | hey whats a good app for desktop resource monitoring |
| 06:22.45 | Tw33k^ | like all the kids have on their wallpapers :| |
| 06:22.49 | MAd_haTTer | _w: run hdparm -tT /dev/whatever |
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| 06:22.58 | MAd_haTTer | Tw33k^: gkrellm |
| 06:23.05 | _w | MAd_haTTer: On the array or the individual drives? |
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| 06:23.14 | MAd_haTTer | can monitor remote systems too ;) |
| 06:23.14 | markybob | Tw33k^, those tend to be http://www.gdesklets.de/ |
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| 06:23.48 | Tw33k^ | i'd like to know the info, but not have it take a lot of resources |
| 06:23.58 | MAd_haTTer | array.. |
| 06:24.05 | MAd_haTTer | Tw33k^: gkrellm |
| 06:24.12 | Tw33k^ | tryin it |
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| 06:24.35 | _w | MAd_haTTer: Read timings are like 184MB/sec... |
| 06:24.45 | _w | MAd_haTTer: But it's write which is the problem. That's stuck at 1MB. |
| 06:24.47 | MAd_haTTer | you can get skins too. If you have a cool background google 'gkrellm paul cannon invisible' |
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| 06:25.02 | Tw33k^ | i do indeed have a cool background |
| 06:25.11 | Tw33k^ | looks like it came off the ibm factory line with my theme |
| 06:25.16 | Tw33k^ | :| srs bsns |
| 06:25.34 | markybob | is it a picture of stallman's mother? |
| 06:25.39 | Tw33k^ | heh |
| 06:25.48 | Tw33k^ | interject etc |
| 06:25.54 | MAd_haTTer | _w: bummer.. perhaps vmstat / top, any partition full ? |
| 06:26.21 | MAd_haTTer | _w: sata w/ raid ? |
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| 06:26.57 | MAd_haTTer | _w: 'top -b -n4 |grep wa' |
| 06:27.01 | _w | MAd_haTTer: Yeah SATA. No there's nothing on it man. I'm trying to write files to it and it's a goddamn nightmare. |
| 06:27.23 | Tw33k^ | MAd_haTTer: yea this'll do |
| 06:27.26 | Tw33k^ | tx |
| 06:27.35 | markybob | _w, this isn't virtualized, is it? |
| 06:27.42 | MAd_haTTer | Tw33k^: np, only thing I use |
| 06:27.46 | _w | markybob: Yeah like I said, mdadm... |
| 06:27.57 | _w | MAd_haTTer: Hardly anything going on there. |
| 06:27.59 | MAd_haTTer | mdadm ? |
| 06:28.23 | _w | Yes, mdadm. :) |
| 06:28.24 | markybob | ...that's...uh...not really what i meant...but alright :P |
| 06:28.33 | _w | markybob: Sorry mate, what did you mean? |
| 06:28.42 | _w | markybob: Oh, like in a VM... No no... |
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| 06:29.36 | _w | markybob: Not an especially powerful maching but certainly nothing to warrant 1MB/sec writes and 185MB/sec reads :) |
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| 06:30.04 | markybob | _w, have you checked your bios settings? is it using ahci? |
| 06:30.50 | _w | markybob: Yeah, everything's good. This only started when I re-created the array this week. I have had one working on it before without issue. |
| 06:30.57 | _w | I was told to do echo 50000 > /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_min |
| 06:31.02 | MAd_haTTer | yeah thats a bitch.. perhaps check smarts? drive on the way out? you are not doing something over the network are you..? |
| 06:31.09 | _w | But that didn't seem to improve the speed, although the original setting was 1000. |
| 06:31.27 | _w | MAd_haTTer: No no, they're new drives too. Something's amiss in the settings. |
| 06:32.06 | markybob | _w, that's default and only for rebuild/resync purposes |
| 06:32.30 | MAd_haTTer | perhaps backup, test individualy, and rebuild the array.. no issues in dmesg? |
| 06:32.33 | _w | markybob: Ah, maybe we're getting somewhere... So I changed it to 50,000 (I'm long past the rebuild phase). Nothing happened though. |
| 06:32.43 | MAd_haTTer | gl man, I am really reaching.. |
| 06:32.48 | _w | MAd_haTTer: You know you really offer the most hardcore possible solutions :) |
| 06:33.11 | MAd_haTTer | thanks, I'm a hardcore kinda guy ;) |
| 06:33.22 | _w | markybob: But that's starting to make more sense. Somehow it got stuck in the rebuild/resync speed? |
| 06:33.22 | MAd_haTTer | grunts |
| 06:34.32 | markybob | _w, not sure. haven't personally run into this |
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| 06:36.09 | _w | I wonder what would happen if I updated mdadm to the squeeze version |
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| 06:37.00 | MAd_haTTer | anyone using vmware server 2.x? word is the gui "does not support configuring raw disk drives" but it can still be done... |
| 06:37.19 | MAd_haTTer | gl man, time to finish rebuilding a couple servers.. |
| 06:37.27 | _w | :) Enjoy. |
| 06:37.30 | MAd_haTTer | grunst some more |
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| 06:38.22 | Tw33k^ | why are you trying to configure raw disk drives? |
| 06:38.30 | mrbob009 | im using the fn+contrast-up/down keys on my lenovo laptop, every fn key works 100% fine, really nice.. including standby - hibernate, just everything |
| 06:38.39 | coofish | I need this file urgently:http://www.rapidsharemegaupload.com/mechanical-and-electrical-equipment-for-buildings-crack-serial-keygen-free-download.htm |
| 06:38.52 | mrbob009 | but after changing the contrast with fn keys, after a certain time, its set back to 100% |
| 06:38.53 | _w | uurg :) |
| 06:39.00 | markybob | coofish, no one cares. go away |
| 06:39.11 | Tw33k^ | mrbob009: likely your power settings |
| 06:39.12 | coofish | but I care |
| 06:39.20 | Tw33k^ | coofish: so get it |
| 06:39.33 | coofish | Its blocked china ip |
| 06:39.41 | Tw33k^ | then buy a vps |
| 06:39.46 | coofish | vpn? |
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| 06:39.53 | Tw33k^ | sure a vpn |
| 06:39.53 | mrbob009 | Tw33k^, i do see a 'display birhgtness' option in the power-settings applet config.. |
| 06:39.59 | coofish | I'm a student yet... |
| 06:40.02 | markybob | coofish, good for china. this isn't #hackersareus...this is #debian. either you have a debian question, or you leave |
| 06:40.06 | tensorpudding | coofish: that isn't on-topic go somewhere else |
| 06:40.08 | Tw33k^ | mrbob009: sounds promising |
| 06:40.24 | mrbob009 | Tw33k^, thing is ... its goood - 100% on AC... |
| 06:40.35 | Tw33k^ | #lobby is that way ----> |
| 06:40.40 | mrbob009 | but when i change it, then it shouldnt put it back to 100% after a while |
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| 06:41.05 | MAd_haTTer | Tw33k^: vdk files suck imho.. slower then real disks, and I want my nas on a real dick.. better off if I have an issue, just pull the drive.. |
| 06:41.26 | mrbob009 | Tw33k^, do you understand what i mean? |
| 06:41.46 | mrbob009 | the power-settings applet (in systray) seems to override manual change to display contrast |
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| 06:41.52 | mrbob009 | with fn keys |
| 06:42.06 | jaallen | some peeps are fkn stupid |
| 06:42.09 | Tw33k^ | mrbob009: yea i get it |
| 06:42.12 | Tw33k^ | hm |
| 06:42.15 | jaallen | fkn keygen.... |
| 06:42.40 | mrbob009 | fkn keygen?!?### |
| 06:42.43 | MAd_haTTer | fkn fn keys too! |
| 06:42.45 | MAd_haTTer | ha! |
| 06:43.02 | MAd_haTTer | i crack my self up |
| 06:43.02 | mrbob009 | yes and then? > my fn keys all work |
| 06:43.17 | mrbob009 | but after changing the display brightness in X... |
| 06:43.26 | mrbob009 | display get reset to 100% after a min, or two |
| 06:43.39 | mrbob009 | as defined in the power-settings applet/systray |
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| 06:44.08 | markybob | mrbob009, with this issue you might have better luck in irc.gimp.net #gnome |
| 06:44.23 | coofish | mrbob009,fn key? there is much to modify ...much to learn...acpid and its config |
| 06:44.30 | mrbob009 | okie :), will also ask there then |
| 06:44.38 | Tw33k^ | mrbob009: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=543999 |
| 06:44.42 | Tw33k^ | could be related |
| 06:44.58 | mrbob009 | coofish, i think you were asked to leave, long time ago brother |
| 06:45.07 | mrbob009 | thanks Tw33k^ |
| 06:45.12 | Tw33k^ | np |
| 06:45.24 | TGD17_ | hey guys, I was installing ktorrent, but my laptop shut off |
| 06:45.31 | TGD17_ | is that a problem in linux? |
| 06:45.48 | TGD17_ | do I need to delete those files or something |
| 06:45.56 | markybob | TGD17_, first off, you should thank your laptop |
| 06:46.02 | Tw33k^ | heh |
| 06:46.14 | jaallen | hehehe |
| 06:46.21 | markybob | TGD17_, deluge kicks ktorrent's ass :P |
| 06:46.23 | mrbob009 | Tw33k^, thats exactly the same problem yes |
| 06:46.39 | Tw33k^ | thats for powerpc though |
| 06:46.40 | coofish | Tgd17,make sure ur nb work well in other systems.. |
| 06:46.53 | tensorpudding | rtorrent kicks all their asses |
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| 06:47.09 | Tw33k^ | don't know the code level implications of the difference between architectures and hardware versions |
| 06:47.16 | Tw33k^ | for this particular issue |
| 06:47.41 | markybob | tensorpudding, not so. benchmarks have consistently shown that rasterbar beats rakshasa |
| 06:48.21 | TGD17_ | deluge ehhh? |
| 06:48.35 | tensorpudding | ktorrent was cool in 2006 |
| 06:48.47 | markybob | tensorpudding, which is why rasterbar has around 25 clients that use it, and rakshasa has only 1...which is rtorrent, written by the same guy who wrote rakshasa :P |
| 06:48.49 | TGD17_ | how do I uninstall ktorrent? |
| 06:49.17 | tensorpudding | you're referring to the libtorrents right? |
| 06:49.24 | mdeonte | sudo apt-get purge ktorrent? |
| 06:49.26 | markybob | obviously |
| 06:49.32 | tensorpudding | i've never heard them called that |
| 06:49.55 | markybob | tensorpudding, i was lead developer for deluge for over a year. i know my bittorrent libraries :-) |
| 06:50.09 | tensorpudding | sure |
| 06:50.17 | TGD17_ | ok im trusting yall and going with deluge |
| 06:50.21 | jaallen | lets forget the "cool" excuse. That is so 2005... |
| 06:50.22 | TGD17_ | I just wanted a utorrent clone |
| 06:50.28 | jaallen | heh |
| 06:50.47 | coofish | fool,libtorrent is a very important component for any torrent clients |
| 06:50.48 | jaallen | I hate that crap. just "there is a better optimized package" will do |
| 06:50.56 | tensorpudding | eh, it's less about speed and more about interface |
| 06:51.18 | Tw33k^ | ctorrent ftw |
| 06:52.06 | tensorpudding | deluge is pretty great, though last i checked the web ui didn't work |
| 06:52.09 | markybob | tensorpudding, ok, let's play that game. deluge had ajax webui, plain html webui, ncurses ui, email ui...rtorrent has ncurses and web |
| 06:52.38 | Tw33k^ | woah butthurt |
| 06:53.09 | Tw33k^ | you're pretty serious about your torrenting |
| 06:53.12 | Tw33k^ | huh |
| 06:53.27 | tensorpudding | he's a deluge developer, he's very serious about deluge |
| 06:53.48 | markybob | *was*...retired. but yeah, i'm biased. i admit it |
| 06:53.56 | Tw33k^ | heh |
| 06:54.04 | tensorpudding | but anyway, i concede that deluge is better than rtorrent and i only said that to stir the pot |
| 06:54.10 | tensorpudding | i personally use btpd |
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| 06:54.13 | markybob | heh :-) |
| 06:55.08 | Tw33k^ | trolld |
| 06:55.27 | Tw33k^ | 6/10 - he did a feature comparison |
| 06:55.34 | Tw33k^ | maybe 7/10 |
| 06:56.23 | TGD17_ | anyone want to reccomend a media player/ipod manager? I heard banshee was good |
| 06:57.38 | tensorpudding | i could recommend a media player, but not one that interfaces with ipods |
| 06:57.48 | markybob | TGD17_, do you need it to be cross-platform? |
| 06:58.31 | markybob | TGD17_, if you need cross-platform, foola. if not, i prefer exaile on linux |
| 06:58.32 | TGD17_ | What do you mean, like be able to take my ipod from this linux comp to a windows comp with itunes? |
| 06:58.48 | markybob | TGD17_, like have the app work on linux and windows |
| 06:58.56 | TGD17_ | no thats not an issue |
| 06:59.11 | markybob | TGD17_, then exaile is my friend. give it a shot :) |
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| 07:01.18 | TGD17_ | will do, thanks for the heads up |
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| 07:08.20 | acidfreeze | could someone tell me why i get this error when i try to make a init image |
| 07:08.21 | acidfreeze | http://yourpaste.net/4202#new |
| 07:08.34 | acidfreeze | running mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32 2.6.32-rc8 |
| 07:10.17 | acidfreeze | ?? |
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| 07:10.52 | f00li5h-mortal | does anyone know of a project tat will give me a debian install with cfengine ready to go? |
| 07:11.56 | markybob | acidfreeze, ...debian doesnt even have 2.6.32. |
| 07:12.15 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze quit |
| 07:12.21 | Tw33k^ | he needs to run initramfs |
| 07:12.34 | Tw33k^ | Linux jdub-thinkpad 2.6.32 #1 SMP Wed Dec 9 22:58:26 EST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 07:12.37 | Tw33k^ | :3 |
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| 07:19.34 | TGD17_ | can someone help me get my audio running please |
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| 07:23.11 | TGD17_ | anyone |
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| 07:24.21 | TGD17_ | anyone |
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| 07:30.05 | karsten | Apparently not.... |
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| 07:33.12 | Beezie | Hi. I am kicking around switching from ubuntu to debian. i am sort of used to ubuntu but i dont know what debian distro to download. I have an intel mobo with a core duo extreme cpu. on board audio and nvidia video. sata hdd. thanks. |
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| 07:36.02 | Xenguy | Beezie: d/l the 1st CD for example |
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| 07:36.21 | Xenguy | Beezie: or even just the netinstall thing |
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| 07:37.06 | karsten | Beezie: netinstall of debian testing would be a good start for personal use. For infrastructure (eg: server environment), stable. |
| 07:37.28 | KiloBravoEight | why push testing on a new user? |
| 07:37.32 | karsten | Beezie: If you're doing lots of installs, a local apt-proxy or mirror, otherwise just grab packages off the net. |
| 07:38.09 | Xenguy | Beezie: or desktop stable if you would rather just snooze :-) |
| 07:38.12 | karsten | KiloBravoEight: He's used ubuntu, and testing is _usually_ pretty stable. Newbs often want teh shinay, I've found. |
| 07:38.46 | Beezie | sorry... |
| 07:38.50 | Xenguy | Beezie: if you start with stable, you can always 'upgrade' to 'testing' |
| 07:38.52 | Beezie | another thing(minor) |
| 07:39.00 | karsten | Xenguy: Point. |
| 07:39.14 | KiloBravoEight | 'sort of used to ubuntu' sounds rather new, and testing hasn't been all that stable lately |
| 07:39.14 | Beezie | i installed 32 bit(because that is what i knew) but my cpu is 64 bit. is 64 bit install debian going to confuse me to the point i give up ? |
| 07:39.18 | karsten | Beezie: it's possible to upgrade with relative ease. Downgrading debian is NOT supported. |
| 07:39.29 | karsten | Beezie: no, it shoudlnt'. |
| 07:39.39 | karsten | modulo spelling. |
| 07:39.45 | Beezie | ok. just wondering if the common apps(flash, java, firefox, etc) are 64bit and mature. |
| 07:40.21 | Beezie | flash i expect to be flaky :) |
| 07:40.30 | Xenguy | Beezie: I have 64-bit CPU, and decided to just install 32-bit, as my needs are not that special |
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| 07:41.02 | karsten | Beezie: but of course, it's flash. Actually, I'm having trouble w/ flash on Ubuntu jaunty myself. Sometimes work, then doesn't, until restarting firefox. |
| 07:41.02 | Xenguy | Beezie: the dual core CPUs are fairly snappy these days |
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| 07:42.02 | Beezie | Xenguy, sorry i also forgot to mention. i have 8gb. i know pae works w/32 bit. but is 64bit without pae gona speed it up? not that i am overly worried about speed |
| 07:42.27 | pipeline_ | Beezie: not significantly. |
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| 07:42.29 | Beezie | karsten, but yer in the debian channel? or u got several boxes with diff distros? |
| 07:42.30 | Xenguy | Beezie: dunno myself, haven't gone there yet |
| 07:42.38 | Beezie | pipeline_, thanks. |
| 07:42.43 | pipeline_ | Beezie: unless you have a particular 64 bit application in mind, use 32 bit w/ PAE |
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| 07:43.02 | Beezie | so what does the jury think in the community? is 64 bit worth the jump? ok pipeline_ thx |
| 07:43.06 | pipeline_ | Beezie: there's a performance hit associated with PAE, but it is small relative to the performance hit associated with the lack of an IOMMU |
| 07:43.08 | karsten | Beezie: I'm an old-school Debian guy, happened to try out Ubuntu on this laptop, but my IRC session's on a Debian box. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. |
| 07:43.23 | karsten | Beezie: I'd do 64 bit all the way (and did). |
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| 07:43.32 | pipeline_ | Beezie: in other words, unless your system has an IOMMU (it almost certainly doesn't) the performance hit from PAE isn't relevant |
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| 07:43.42 | Beezie | karsten, got it. :) |
| 07:43.42 | ubsafder | good morning |
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| 07:44.02 | pipeline_ | Beezie: karsten of course is too much of a purist to worry about things like wine, ISV binary softtware etc ;) |
| 07:44.10 | karsten | ubsafder: the only good morning is a bad morning. |
| 07:44.22 | karsten | pipeline_: that's why God gave us VMs. |
| 07:44.27 | Beezie | ok last question.. im prolly gona do this next week at night. :) win7 is going to be on the pri hdd. how "thoughtful" is debian's partition manager with allowing debian 64 to coexist happily with win7? |
| 07:44.52 | pipeline_ | Beezie: always install windows first. Of course, it's kinda pointless to install debian at all at that point. |
| 07:44.59 | karsten | I've found pretty good results with having both 32 & 64 bit libs installed. And no, I don't have WINE here. |
| 07:45.01 | Beezie | pipegeek, pointless? |
| 07:45.14 | Beezie | i dont follow |
| 07:45.15 | ubsafder | where does failed ssh logging or other security warning shows on a debian squeeze? |
| 07:45.35 | karsten | Beezie: Debian's installer will leave extant partitions alone. |
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| 07:45.40 | pipeline_ | Beezie: no one "dual boots" his home PC. People talk about it, but in reality, you will spend almost all of your time with a single operating system. If you intend to run windows, you are better served by running debian in a VM. (Conversely, if you intend to spend most of your time in Debian, blow away windows and use Wine or a windows VM to serve those needs.) |
| 07:45.58 | Xenguy | ubsafder: just grep /etc/log for ssh :-) |
| 07:46.00 | karsten | ubsafder: failed logins? /var/log/auth.log |
| 07:46.11 | Beezie | pipeline_, i already tried the vm way with ubuntu(as host) and win7(as guest) but i admit I need it for wintendo reasons... |
| 07:46.15 | karsten | ubsafder: ... or what Xenguy said. |
| 07:46.28 | haha09 | pipeline_, a piping engineer? |
| 07:46.31 | karsten | Beezie: "wintendo"? |
| 07:46.43 | Beezie | also for what its worth, i am *nix literate but havent touched *nix since the 80s/90s.. linux is a dif animal :) |
| 07:46.48 | pipeline_ | Beezie: I have good luck with games in wine. If you need windows for games that badly, I would recommend not bothering with a dual boot configuration. You'll never boot debian anyway. |
| 07:46.51 | Beezie | karsten, slang for windows and gaming |
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| 07:47.16 | pipeline_ | Beezie: It's worth nothing. XENIX was perverse by the standards of the 80s. |
| 07:47.16 | nuscire | hi, guys. i have gcc-4.4.2 (gcc, g++, gfortran) installed in my home directory. now i use it to compile hello.c, it says, ' error while loading shared libraries: libmpfr.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory'. i think there should be some environment variables to set. any suggestions? |
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| 07:47.22 | Beezie | well i havent read about wine in ages. if it has rock solid support for the games i wana try out ill look further |
| 07:47.30 | Xenguy | Beezie: I use to work with standard unix, and I think linux is friendlier :-) |
| 07:47.31 | karsten | fails to understand this "windows" and "gaming" |
| 07:47.40 | Beezie | xenix? how did you know that was one of the os's i learned on... trs-80 haha |
| 07:47.53 | AljosHa | Hey guys, on debian for apache2 MPM + php5 what i should use, prefork, worker, or any other? |
| 07:47.59 | pipeline_ | Beezie: XENIX was based on System III. It was seriously fucked up. |
| 07:48.04 | pipeline_ | AljosHa: use prefork |
| 07:48.04 | Beezie | well you folks gave me plenty to think about heh |
| 07:48.06 | karsten | nuscire: LC_LIBRARY_PATH or something like that. |
| 07:48.07 | Xenguy | karsten: is wine needed to game on linux? |
| 07:48.14 | Beezie | Xenguy, for win32 exe i assume so |
| 07:48.27 | pipeline_ | AljosHa: prefork is terribly, terribly slow, but many php applications shit their pants using worker. |
| 07:48.27 | Xenguy | yah |
| 07:48.37 | KiloBravoEight | hrm, will UT3 play in wine? |
| 07:48.49 | karsten | Xenguy: I'm the wrong guy to ask ... |
| 07:48.50 | AljosHa | aha |
| 07:48.51 | Beezie | brb. |
| 07:48.56 | Xenguy | karsten: me too ;-) |
| 07:49.02 | karsten | ... though I've got a glass of Mark West Pinot in front of me at the moment. |
| 07:49.07 | pipeline_ | AljosHa: if you are running no 3rd party code, php5, the interpreter itself, is compatible with the worker mpm. If you have time to chase miserable concurrency bugs, you can get a big win on performance there :) |
| 07:49.08 | AljosHa | thanks pipeline_ :) |
| 07:49.31 | AljosHa | oke :D |
| 07:49.43 | heffay | Where is everyone from? |
| 07:49.49 | pipeline_ | KiloBravoEight: the wine appdb is the source of data on that. In general, most games work in wine. Productivity apps are where one runs into problems :) |
| 07:49.58 | Xenguy | planet earth, milky way ;-) |
| 07:50.29 | haha09 | china xi'an |
| 07:50.31 | Beezie | i notice debian offers cd and dvd versions...where ubuntu doesn't(that ive seen) bandwidth isnt a problem for me. dvd just has extra "stuff" i assume? |
| 07:50.45 | heffay | sf, ca, usa |
| 07:50.54 | Beezie | heffay, my mom's belly :) |
| 07:51.00 | heffay | hm? |
| 07:51.08 | Beezie | you asked where i was from. |
| 07:51.09 | karsten | heffay: Originally, I'm from a vagina. |
| 07:51.09 | Xenguy | Beezie: easiest to just install the CD, then 'apt-get' or 'aptitude' the rest you want |
| 07:51.15 | Beezie | ok Xenguy |
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| 07:52.13 | Beezie | are there any good primers on the web about how wine works that dont require a software engineer level to grasp? |
| 07:52.22 | Beezie | crazy question i know |
| 07:52.37 | Xenguy | Beezie: you just want to use it, or you want to know how it works? |
| 07:52.53 | nuscire | karsten: thank you. do you mean LD_LIBRARY_PATH? i googled, and used 'LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$HOME/usr/gcc/lib $HOME/bin/gcc hello.c' and it worked. but some of the programs i compiled successfully with this parameter cannot run, because they cannot find the 'runtime share library'. what then? |
| 07:53.16 | karsten | Beezie: Wikipedia's a decent start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software) |
| 07:53.16 | Beezie | Xenguy, well just say i dont mind trying it with games but i dont mind reading a faq/primer on it later in spare time |
| 07:53.25 | Beezie | karsten, ahhh of course..thx |
| 07:53.37 | lolskes | karsten: lol |
| 07:53.43 | ansu | Hii, i installed debian lenny few hrs ago, ii can connect to internet via ethernet but not by wifi. I installed firmware iwlwifi. Still its impossible to connect using wifi. |
| 07:53.45 | karsten | nuscire: Yeah, I think it's LIBRARY_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH that you want. I don't do a lot of builds under random environments though. |
| 07:53.46 | Xenguy | Beezie: winehq.com (.org? .net?) |
| 07:53.57 | lolskes | most would say sperm, but I'm guessing your feminine side is stronger? |
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| 07:54.07 | Beezie | k |
| 07:54.14 | pipeline_ | Beezie: confusingly, all you need is the "netinstall" CD |
| 07:54.16 | lolskes | .. or was that a slip .. |
| 07:54.23 | pipeline_ | Beezie: the "netinstall" doesn't actually require the net to install |
| 07:54.35 | pipeline_ | Beezie: it contains the bare minimum required to get a working system that will allow you to install other packages |
| 07:54.48 | Beezie | ok im terrified now hahah. i go here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/ and i see 31 cds! pipeline_ so just download the net install .iso and take it from there? |
| 07:55.00 | lolskes | Beezie: yes |
| 07:55.08 | Beezie | pipeline_, bare system as in a bare system with a window manager i hope? |
| 07:55.15 | pipeline_ | Beezie: no, bare system as in nothing at all |
| 07:55.15 | nuscire | karsten: LIBRARY_PATH, hmm, i didn't set it. maybe that's the point. i'll google it now. thanks again. :-) |
| 07:55.18 | lolskes | Beezie: if you've got a running nix system, a debootstrap install will be even smaller |
| 07:55.19 | ubsafder | does the file /var/log/auth.log gets cleaned up or should it show from the birth of the machine ? |
| 07:55.28 | pipeline_ | Beezie: it will prompt you to install other packages though |
| 07:55.39 | pipeline_ | Beezie: the netinstall disc has, ON THE DISC, enough to get a bare system |
| 07:55.44 | Beezie | pipeline_, sorry im not ready enough for that... ill download the .iso you suggested and play with it in VBox. |
| 07:55.47 | pipeline_ | Beezie: it will prompt you to pull down other packages from the net if you wan them |
| 07:55.49 | lolskes | isn't a debootstrap install as bare as they come? |
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| 07:55.54 | Beezie | i think that is a "safe" way for me to wrap my head around it |
| 07:55.57 | pipeline_ | Beezie: inside the installer |
| 07:55.58 | Xenguy | ubsafder: I *think* 'logrotate' is installed by default ? |
| 07:56.12 | Beezie | ok. |
| 07:56.17 | Xenguy | ubsafder: in which case, logs get rotated |
| 07:56.33 | pipeline_ | Beezie: the netinstall is the least waste of bandwidth - it has the basics on the disc, and it will download the newest versions of the things you actually ask it to install, if you ask it to do so |
| 07:56.41 | KiloBravoEight | with the net install cd, don't install the 'desktop' in tasksel, only the base system, and the only net it will try at that point is security updates |
| 07:57.12 | Beezie | pipeline_, ok. but just pretend i wanted to be akin to what ubuntu users are accustomed to.. the gui-based installer that makes it easy. does that .iso exist for debian lenny? |
| 07:57.21 | Xenguy | Beezie: what pipeline_ said, or using more bandwidth, CD1 |
| 07:57.22 | Beezie | myself, i dont mind getting dirty in terminal but im curious. |
| 07:57.24 | lolskes | aren't all installers (save for that installing lenny) seriously outdated in terms of packages on the media? |
| 07:57.29 | pipeline_ | Beezie: you can install from the netinstall disc without ANY internet access, but the finished system will just be a shell. No applications, really. That's the point: the barest minimum that you could need ,and all the cool shit comes from the newest versions, not a stale version on a disc. |
| 07:57.36 | Beezie | Xenguy, are you implying just cd1 is all i need to get rolling? |
| 07:57.46 | Xenguy | Beezie: definitely |
| 07:57.47 | Beezie | pipeline_, understood. |
| 07:57.58 | pipeline_ | Beezie: CD1, like the netinstall, is all you need... but it means downloading a bunch of stale shit that you will immediately replace :P |
| 07:58.04 | ootput | lolskes: there's not much dev going on on dev-installers |
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| 07:58.12 | Xenguy | Beezie: but pipeline_ is more correct about using less bandwidth, strictly speaking |
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| 07:58.30 | Beezie | pipeline_, remember that newbies dont always grasp what is stale and what is bleeding edge :) |
| 07:58.33 | pipeline_ | Beezie: the packages are ordered on the discs by popularity. Netinstall contains NO optional packages, only the shit you NEED. CD1 contains the mandatory stuff, plus the most popular pacages. CD2 contains less popular. CD3, less still. And so on. |
| 07:58.41 | Beezie | has unmetered bandwidth....life is good. :) |
| 07:58.47 | pipeline_ | Beezie: All of the packages on discs are less "fresh" than things sitting on the mirrors. |
| 07:59.02 | pipeline_ | Beezie: so ideally you wouldn't install any packages from CD, since they'll be replaced immediately |
| 07:59.19 | ehnvis | i wouldnt say that lenny is really fresh anyway |
| 07:59.23 | Beezie | pipegeek, so the cd# priority doesnt mean you need ALL .isos? it is based on what debian dev team deems "essential" ? |
| 07:59.57 | pipeline_ | Beezie: no, all you need is the netinstall. Everything else is optional. |
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| 08:00.01 | Beezie | got it. |
| 08:00.05 | Xenguy | Beezie: there has never been a need for more than one CD for an install |
| 08:00.16 | pipeline_ | I don't know why the netinstall is called netinstall |
| 08:00.18 | Beezie | btw, i know i barged in and peppered you all with nutty questions... big thanks for the replies! |
| 08:00.18 | pipeline_ | since it doesn't require the net |
| 08:00.32 | pipeline_ | it was like that when I got here |
| 08:00.41 | Beezie | Xenguy, good to know. but from a newbie's perspective going here: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/ is downright intimidating hahaha |
| 08:00.51 | KiloBravoEight | netinstall needs the net for anything useful |
| 08:01.04 | Xenguy | Beezie: true, sometimes that happens ;-) |
| 08:01.06 | cahoot | net as in netto? |
| 08:01.07 | lolskes | Beezie: nuts are healthy |
| 08:01.08 | Xenguy | Beezie: have fun |
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| 08:01.51 | babilen_ | Beezie: you will just need a CD if you want to install a package from it. But why bother, when you can download it? If you are uncomfortable with the shell just download DVD1 and get a graphical system installed. There are different DVDs for GNOME, KDE, LXDE, ... |
| 08:02.40 | Beezie | babilen_, with that said, going that route you can update the packages right? pipeline_ mentioned that this manner did have stale versions of apps. |
| 08:02.44 | haha09 | Beezie is hanging in ubuntu channel befor coming here today...he decides to turn to debian is my success discoraging users of ubuntu... |
| 08:02.58 | Xenguy | Beezie: the 'base installation' is the minimum you need to do any damage on the Net :-) |
| 08:03.01 | Beezie | in other words, this is convenient but extra steps are taken to attain a current window managed system. |
| 08:03.17 | Beezie | haha09, we all start somewhere :) |
| 08:03.26 | Beezie | Xenguy, got it. |
| 08:03.33 | lolskes | haha09: onus on you to deal with support questions then :) |
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| 08:03.53 | babilen_ | Beezie: You can always update the packages. But get me posted, don't you have internet access during installation? |
| 08:04.00 | haha09 | hmm,good luck in your debian learning,Beezie |
| 08:04.06 | haha09 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.12 | Xenguy | I've tried debian and I tried ubuntu, and right now I use debian ;-) |
| 08:04.15 | lolskes | lol deniability |
| 08:04.20 | Beezie | well this is what i learned about #ubuntu. the majority of the users in there mean the best intentions.. but their limited experience can lead to misleading a newbie big time. i am guilty of that myself :P |
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| 08:04.45 | Beezie | babilen, ok. i wont do this on my host PC for another few days. i wont have time. |
| 08:04.59 | lolskes | Beezie: also, that there's no such thing as 'too many questions' on IRC |
| 08:05.19 | Beezie | haha09, it was a goal all along but i have to be adept with windows as well as mac so i only have so much waking time to grasp linux. |
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| 08:05.50 | babilen | Beezie: That is fine with me (or - is it?) ... I just want to make sure that the advice to download DVD1 was the correct one *for you* |
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| 08:06.15 | lolskes | .. queue suspense |
| 08:06.21 | babilen | Beezie: I understood from the part of the backlog that I read that you won't have internet connection while you install. Is that correct? |
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| 08:07.26 | Beezie | babilen, no im fine for internet usage.. i have 6 laptops alone hahaha |
| 08:08.05 | Beezie | babilen, well for some of us the longer route is more scenic sure.. but it is easier :) |
| 08:08.08 | haha09 | cd1 is the one for Beezie...put cd1 image file in a fat partation,download a grub4dos and integrate it into ntldr or bootmgr,then reboot and install debian... |
| 08:08.48 | KiloBravoEight | why go through all that work? |
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| 08:09.34 | KiloBravoEight | get the net install, select desktop at tasksel, let it download everything, it'll set up grub, your on your way |
| 08:09.44 | babilen | Beezie: You can just boot the netinstall, choose the graphical installer and install whatever you need from there. Conveniently downloading the newest packages ... |
| 08:09.44 | KiloBravoEight | you're on your way even |
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| 08:10.24 | babilen | Beezie: That is under the assumption that the computer you want to install Debian on can connect to the internet (preferably via ethernet) |
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| 08:11.44 | KiloBravoEight | or, if you want to play, install the base system only with the net install, and pick and choose packages later |
| 08:11.50 | babilen | Beezie: And the installation will look the same to you. The only difference is that the DVD/CD install will load packages from the cd and the netinstall will install packages from the internet |
| 08:12.06 | haha09 | I think Beezie can use ubuntu hard disk installer to install debian cd1...it can recognize ntfs and some wireless card...while dbian installer can't due to its policy |
| 08:13.41 | babilen | !tell Beezie -about netinst |
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| 08:13.47 | babilen | Beezie: good luck! |
| 08:13.57 | haha09 | best luck ! |
| 08:14.04 | haha09 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:14.11 | babilen | bestest luck! |
| 08:14.44 | haha09 | not earth english,u speak mars english |
| 08:14.56 | haha09 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:15.27 | KiloBravoEight | skip the good luck thing, Beezie, have fun |
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| 08:17.26 | babilen | haha09: oh, really? I was under the impression .... /me heads over to #debian-offtopic |
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| 08:18.44 | [1]Beezie | hi folks. i crashed so hard my host pc threw me into console haha |
| 08:18.49 | [1]Beezie | is cursed. |
| 08:19.16 | haha09 | of all linux projects,X project is the only failure..that's why M$ beats linux in performance as desktop os |
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| 08:19.37 | haha09 | Beezie,check ur x11 config |
| 08:20.00 | haha09 | and video driver |
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| 08:20.14 | [1]Beezie | thanks for the help.. so i downloaded the net .iso and tried to run it in vbox. the iso offered a graphical install and i chose that. then the vbox got gray and eventually the WM just hung. going to another TTY didnt work and the system needed a hard reset. |
| 08:20.16 | [1]Beezie | fml... |
| 08:20.42 | haha09 | oh,,,installation... |
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| 08:20.51 | JNSamuel | your mother |
| 08:21.07 | [1]Beezie | im not crying over it. i just find it hilarious that i try it in a vm and my host os goes south |
| 08:21.30 | babilen | [1]Beezie: What is the host os? |
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| 08:21.43 | [1]Beezie | ubuntu 9.10 |
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| 08:22.06 | [1]Beezie | i was here about 10 mins ago. i had to get a vista laptop, download an irc client and pop in to share the love :-D |
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| 08:22.17 | babilen | [1]Beezie: Should not happen actually, but you can always use the "less graphical" installer ;-) (ie the default one) |
| 08:22.30 | [1]Beezie | babilen, i got bigger probs now :P |
| 08:22.38 | haha09 | why choose virtual system other than real mode?u can install debian very handy |
| 08:23.01 | babilen | [1]Beezie: Your Ubuntu won't start X anymore? |
| 08:23.03 | [1]Beezie | haha09, i wanted baby steps. i didnt see the harm in trying deb(for 1st time) in a vm |
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| 08:23.40 | [1]Beezie | babilen, no, my ubuntu wont even boot. grub passes me to a screen that is serious then dumps me in single-user mode console as root... good times :) |
| 08:24.16 | [1]Beezie | dont worry folks i dont hold this against #debian.. its just crazy it happened to me this way |
| 08:24.46 | haha09 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:25.26 | babilen | [1]Beezie: Ubuntu support is OT in here, but what is the error? |
| 08:25.31 | [1]Beezie | haha09, looks like fsck is doing its thing now :) |
| 08:25.47 | [1]Beezie | babilen, im not seeking help, im jst letting you know why i left the room against my will |
| 08:26.07 | babilen | hehe .. alright :-D |
| 08:26.17 | [1]Beezie | brb.im back in ubuntu. ill reload xchat |
| 08:26.33 | haha09 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:31.23 | Beezie | hi folks.. went to hell and back |
| 08:31.44 | babilen | .. in heaven |
| 08:31.56 | cast | tried switching to ubuntu, did you? |
| 08:32.02 | flaps | ^_ |
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| 08:32.49 | Beezie | cast, i fired up vbox, tried the net install of debian lenny. vbox hung, then gnome hung, then i had to hard reset the pc. then i had ubuntu kick me into #root, then i rebooted and fsck did its thing, and here i am :) |
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| 08:33.05 | cast | haha. |
| 08:33.11 | Beezie | no kiddin |
| 08:33.26 | cast | switch to a stable OS ;) |
| 08:33.35 | Beezie | im trying.. thats why i am here! |
| 08:34.01 | Beezie | i do have a question for you hardcore debian users.. is ubuntu a bane because of how it "introduces" people to linux? |
| 08:34.06 | reto`` | Beezie: maybe you can put debian on another partition? |
| 08:34.09 | babilen | Beezie: Do you have any data on your Ubuntu install that you would like to keep? |
| 08:34.19 | Beezie | babilen, yeah but i am savvy with backup |
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| 08:35.03 | babilen | Beezie: alright, just checking. |
| 08:35.12 | lom | Beezie: I tried Ubuntu 6 or 7 IIRC and all those help-wizards didn't work. |
| 08:35.12 | Beezie | if you folks have been using debian for awhile some of you may forget how daunting switching distros really is :) |
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| 08:35.18 | cast | it, as far as i've observed, takes debin and adds bugs |
| 08:35.21 | haha09 | fsck can work whenever u don't delele system folders~~~then u can recover ur system at will |
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| 08:36.04 | cast | their culture is a bit annoying at times, RTFM is not an acceptable answer to a question |
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| 08:36.38 | KiloBravoEight | sometimes it is, cast |
| 08:36.51 | KiloBravoEight | some people expect you to make everything magically work for them |
| 08:36.55 | CalJohn | I just moved from lenny->squeeze and my sound card appears in lspci but NOT in /proc/asound/cards. It is also not working (I have two sound cards). Alsaconf has now been removed. How can I install my card? |
| 08:36.56 | cast | most times it is. |
| 08:36.59 | reto`` | well... Ubuntu is good for the linux world in general... it brings us a bigger userbase and therefore more programs |
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| 08:37.05 | Beezie | cast, yeah i found that out. i noticed someone in #ubuntu(different times) ask something obvious if you rtfm and i said rtfm and got in shit. :) |
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| 08:37.27 | babilen | Sorry, guys ... But why not continue that discussion in #debian-offtopic? |
| 08:37.31 | cahoot | CalJohn: try alsa force-reload |
| 08:37.35 | Beezie | babilen, understood. |
| 08:37.35 | KiloBravoEight | one of the best parts of debian is the documentation |
| 08:37.42 | cast | babilen: it strikes me as on topic |
| 08:38.00 | CalJohn | cahoot: bingo! |
| 08:38.09 | CalJohn | cahoot: why doesn't dpkg mention that? |
| 08:38.12 | Beezie | babilen, they helped me answer a ton of questions and i hosed my pc indirectly because of it.. that's all |
| 08:38.28 | cahoot | CalJohn: you might need /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 too |
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| 08:38.53 | babilen | Beezie: I know - I read the discussion. |
| 08:38.56 | DelphiWorld | hi dear debian users |
| 08:39.01 | cast | i'd consider the nature of the userbase as much as i'd consider the size of the userbase. some users aren't very useful, some are very useful, and others are just destructive |
| 08:39.03 | DelphiWorld | anyone installed phpmyadmin in debian? |
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| 08:39.07 | DelphiWorld | using apt |
| 08:39.11 | DelphiWorld | i just installed it |
| 08:39.19 | DelphiWorld | asked me for server type i selected apache2 |
| 08:39.23 | cast | DelphiWorld: we tend to lean away from such things... |
| 08:39.24 | DelphiWorld | but how do i access it now? |
| 08:39.31 | CalJohn | cahoot: if it's working now, do I really? |
| 08:39.35 | heffay | Ubuntu userbase is noobs |
| 08:39.37 | babilen | DelphiWorld: I am sure somebody installed phpmyadmin .... But this is usually discouraged |
| 08:39.41 | heffay | I hate the culture |
| 08:39.44 | cahoot | CalJohn: no |
| 08:39.45 | DelphiWorld | cast/nick icecast or shoutcast or broadcast;) |
| 08:39.56 | babilen | !tell DelphiWorld -about phpmyadmin |
| 08:39.57 | CalJohn | cahoot: thanks a lot for the help |
| 08:40.02 | CalJohn | goes back to emacs |
| 08:40.06 | cahoot | CalJohn: that's for unmuting and setting sane levels |
| 08:40.15 | cast | you don't irc through emacs?! |
| 08:40.23 | DelphiWorld | babilen: thank you |
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| 08:42.24 | haha09 | just like everthing has two sides,ubuntu let public know of linux ,while help users to form a lazy habit and not learn system,even those very basics such like ifconfig,dd,iwconfig,diff...whenever X is down,they would cry |
| 08:43.06 | DelphiWorld | babilen: installed;) |
| 08:43.06 | heffay | Ubuntu would not have any userbase if it were not for gnome |
| 08:43.11 | DelphiWorld | babilen: but inaccessible from http://67.23.42.108/phpmyadmin |
| 08:43.22 | Beezie | haha09, yeah and i dont want to be that user. i am interested in a low-level understanding of this but it will take a few years |
| 08:43.22 | heffay | ubuntu are gnome users. not linux. |
| 08:43.31 | DelphiWorld | !tel DelphiWorld about mysql |
| 08:43.48 | cast | and linux users, are gnu/linux users, 99.9% of the time |
| 08:44.03 | cast | ponders gnu/kfreebsd |
| 08:44.39 | babilen | DelphiWorld: you can just /msg or /query dpkg (our bot) |
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| 08:45.06 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: Try reading /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian and then browse to http://localhost/phpmyadmin |
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| 08:45.47 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: ;) |
| 08:46.01 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: or symply i do a tutorial |
| 08:46.07 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Are you trying to access phpmyadmin on a remote host? |
| 08:46.19 | DelphiWorld | babilen: right |
| 08:46.26 | DelphiWorld | babilen: is a server (VPS) |
| 08:47.20 | babilen | DelphiWorld: I am quite sure that this is not possible in the standard default. Open a browser on the box with phpmyadmin installed and try http://localhost/phpmyadmin as suggested by the factoid and jmarsden |
| 08:47.46 | babilen | *err: only jmarsden ;-) |
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| 08:47.54 | DelphiWorld | babilen: but is a VPS how do i start a browser? |
| 08:48.05 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: aptitude install w3m |
| 08:48.28 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: Or any other text mode browser of your choice, lynx would work too. |
| 08:48.37 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: installed |
| 08:48.58 | jmarsden | So now use it to browse http://localhost/phpmyadmin :) |
| 08:49.06 | babilen | DelphiWorld: The next step is left as an exercise to the reader ;-) |
| 08:49.20 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: not found! |
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| 08:50.12 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: Did you a2enmod php5 per the README.Debian instructions? |
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| 08:50.30 | cast | or you could run X over the notwork |
| 08:50.34 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: what you mean? |
| 08:50.38 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: how do i add it? |
| 08:50.50 | jmarsden | Did you read the README.Debian and do what it says? |
| 08:51.29 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: how do i display it? |
| 08:51.42 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: note that i'm just using only a screen reader troug ssh |
| 08:51.54 | babilen | DelphiWorld: less /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian |
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| 08:53.53 | Beezie | ok now that i got vbox repaired im gona try this net install in a vm again.. :) |
| 08:53.54 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: Module php5 already enabled |
| 08:54.04 | DelphiWorld | babilen: ;) |
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| 08:54.52 | cast | java re taking up 85mb :( |
| 08:55.08 | cast | Beezie: i'm confused, why are you doing it in a vm? |
| 08:55.11 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: And exactly what does w3m http://localhost/phpmyadmin give you for an error message? |
| 08:55.22 | Beezie | cast, because i am terrified of doing it on a host pc that already works.. |
| 08:55.36 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: /phpmyadmin not found |
| 08:55.39 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: error 404 |
| 08:55.42 | Beezie | cast, id prefer to be farmiliar(sp?) with how it installs first. |
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| 08:56.25 | cast | ah. but would have no indication of if it'll work |
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| 08:56.47 | babilen | Beezie: Good idea. But you can try the default installer if the graphical one borks you Ubuntu host .... (it's graphical as well) |
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| 08:57.04 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: It works for me here. Looks like you may want to check that the contents of /etc/apache2/conf.d/phpmyadmin.conf looke sane and that you have not modified your default site configuration too much? |
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| 08:57.39 | Beezie_win32 | gee it hung and locked again.. i should submit this to vbox bug reports.... |
| 08:57.41 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: ok, while check |
| 08:58.07 | Beezie_win32 | first time ive ever seen a vm lock a host up |
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| 08:58.36 | TGD17 | can someone please help me get my audio going |
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| 08:58.52 | cast | never used vmware esx then ;) |
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| 08:59.14 | babilen | TGD17: No, I am sorry. Nobody can do that. In related news: "What is the problem?" |
| 08:59.49 | TGD17 | the problem is I can't get any sound to come out of my speakers -.- |
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| 09:00.14 | TGD17 | I installed alsa with synaptic |
| 09:00.27 | TGD17 | and before that I tried with aptitude |
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| 09:00.59 | babilen | TGD17: Why "tried"? Did it not install cleanly? |
| 09:01.19 | TGD17 | it did, I think. I said tried, because it did not work |
| 09:01.19 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: how do i renable mod_php? |
| 09:01.21 | DelphiWorld | i forgot it |
| 09:01.37 | babilen | DelphiWorld: a2enmod |
| 09:01.50 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: a2enmod php5 # butyou said you already did that, just a few minutes ago...? |
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| 09:02.13 | Edgan | Does anyone else use mhddfs? |
| 09:02.20 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: i r'installed |
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| 09:03.07 | babilen | TGD17: Did you unmute the channels? |
| 09:03.15 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: i r'installed both apache2 and php but now is saying mod_php not found what i need to do? |
| 09:03.17 | babilen | !tell TGD17 -about install alsa |
| 09:03.49 | babilen | TGD17: Which card do you have? You can run "lspci -nn" If you are unsure and post the result on a pastebin |
| 09:03.51 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: We are going in circles... a2enmod php5 # and then restart apache2 |
| 09:04.06 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: a2enmod php5 say php5 not found |
| 09:04.09 | DelphiWorld | the module not found |
| 09:04.30 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: Then it isn't installed, even though you said it is... |
| 09:05.06 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: i r'installed all |
| 09:06.07 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: What does dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php5 output (just the last line) |
| 09:07.13 | babilen | !tell DelphiWorld -about pastebinit |
| 09:07.20 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: And why did you reinstall, that was not what I suggested and not what you said you were going to do... doing random things makes helping you difficult |
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| 09:07.52 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: ;) |
| 09:08.01 | babilen | DelphiWorld: You can just execute a command 'foo' and pipe the output into pastebinit ( 'foo | pastebinit' ) If you don't want to type all this in case you can't copy |
| 09:08.04 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: i got it default installed with the VPS but i wanted to do a tutorial |
| 09:09.16 | DelphiWorld | babilen: how do i remove all packages with any file left? |
| 09:09.23 | DelphiWorld | to rzemove all traces, including init.d |
| 09:09.28 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: What does that mean -- you want to write a tutorial about how to install phpmyadmin ? |
| 09:09.28 | DelphiWorld | evean if is allready modified |
| 09:09.43 | babilen | DelphiWorld: "aptitude purge" |
| 09:09.45 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: ,no to write but to read it and do it |
| 09:10.01 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Did you modify the config files? |
| 09:10.05 | jmarsden | DelphiWorld: aptitude purge # But why are you doing all this random stuff... if you are not willing to listen to what someone helping you is saying, this is pointless. |
| 09:10.25 | DelphiWorld | babilen: no, but init.d is unable to work now |
| 09:10.45 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: no;) ,no, no, no;) |
| 09:10.52 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: i just wanted to start from scratch |
| 09:11.30 | DelphiWorld | aptitude purge right? |
| 09:11.33 | jmarsden | <DelphiWorld> jmarsden: ok, while check # This means "please wait while I play around reinstalling all kinds of things?" |
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| 09:12.11 | jmarsden | You agree to check something, but instead you do not check it, you reinstall all kinds of stuff... this is very unhelpful. |
| 09:12.24 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: ho |
| 09:12.39 | DelphiWorld | please re tel me how do i remove all package traces |
| 09:13.09 | jmarsden | You have already been told... even though I did not ask you to remove any packages at all. |
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| 09:14.51 | babilen | DelphiWorld: It might help if you tell us what issues you are running into right now. The output of the "failed" init.d command might be interesting ffor example. |
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| 09:15.23 | DelphiWorld | babilen: jmarsden ok |
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| 09:22.05 | Defense|Twin | Hi, is it normal that the debian installer cd only supports WEP-encryption for wireless networks? |
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| 09:25.12 | Beezie | does apt-get and aptitude come default with debian? |
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| 09:25.52 | IceIsFun | can someone tell me what the most modern iscsi target available for debian is? |
| 09:26.05 | IceIsFun | maybe a howto link that isn't outdated |
| 09:26.07 | DelphiWorld | jmarsden: babilen thank you for your time |
| 09:26.23 | DelphiWorld | babilen: i got the basic stufs from you and i will play around with it untild i solv it |
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| 09:28.56 | jmarsden | Beezie: apt-get and aptitude are both Priority: important, so generally does come installed in a basic Debian install. |
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| 09:33.14 | IceIsFun | When mounting a 25tb xfs volume I get : mount: Argument list too long |
| 09:33.41 | IceIsFun | I used parted and made it gpt then created a xfs partition |
| 09:35.04 | jmarsden | IceIsFun: What is the exact mount command you are typing? |
| 09:35.14 | IceIsFun | mount /dev/sdb1 /Storage |
| 09:35.25 | IceIsFun | also tried mount -t xfs /dev/sdb1 /Storage |
| 09:36.25 | jmarsden | IceIsFun: Seems an odd error message to be getting. But I don't have a spare 25TB to test with :) :) |
| 09:36.47 | IceIsFun | wait i see the problem, i must not have the 64 bit version |
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| 09:38.29 | IceIsFun | some of these debian mirrors are pretty fast |
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| 09:40.13 | IceIsFun | xmission mirror is doing 417,378,587 11.1M/s eta 7m 12s |
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| 09:41.35 | jmarsden | IceIsFun: You're downloading an entire DVD just to install Debian? Why? if you have a fast Internet connection, do a network install and only download what you really need... saves time. |
| 09:42.27 | Beezie | laughs. |
| 09:42.32 | IceIsFun | i've never tried the network install |
| 09:42.49 | IceIsFun | the dvd is almost done though |
| 09:43.13 | jmarsden | Beezie: Just because your PC doesn't seem to like network installs doesn't mean everyone else has the same issue :) |
| 09:43.47 | Beezie | jmarsden, i know. the kicker is it was vm not host |
| 09:44.54 | jmarsden | Beezie: And I've done at least 3 Debian netinst-into-Virtualbox installs here (Ubuntu host, so offtopic?) and not had a lock up... what you are seeing is very odd. |
| 09:45.11 | Beezie | jmarsden, ya, i might submit issue to vbox |
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| 09:45.22 | IceIsFun | earlier today I put Debian into a Hyper-V box just fine |
| 09:45.34 | IceIsFun | runs very well |
| 09:45.46 | jmarsden | Beezie: if you can duplicate it on a different host PC, I'd say submit the bug... otherwise... it something about your host machine. |
| 09:46.18 | Beezie | jmarsden, i have ubuntu 9.10 @ work and i can try to recreate on monday. if yer around irc at the time ill letcha know. |
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| 09:48.24 | Beezie | brb |
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| 10:00.37 | Defense|Twin | anyone can tell me, where i can find a good WLAN WPA2 howto for debian 6.0? |
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| 10:03.09 | do0ob | Defense|Twin: which wifi card do you have? |
| 10:03.37 | Defense|Twin | do0ob: dlink dwa-547 |
| 10:03.44 | simonrvn | debian 6 ? |
| 10:03.55 | do0ob | i think he means one newer than the official release |
| 10:04.02 | Defense|Twin | do0ob: kernel module is loaded but i cant get wpa running |
| 10:04.07 | do0ob | the one that will be released as 6.0 |
| 10:04.10 | Defense|Twin | simonrvn: testing |
| 10:04.27 | Shadi_1231312 | Hi All, I got this issue where not all of my network cards are showing up whitin debian lenny, I get ETH0 no such device, but lspci shows the device, and in dmesg there is a line stating renaming eth0 to eth1 ...I was once adviced to change a file that maps the MAC to the device eth0 etc..this fixed my problem before, but I forgot what the file is |
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| 10:04.29 | do0ob | Defense|Twin: i usually look ubuntuforums.org |
| 10:04.45 | simonrvn | did you just make that up? |
| 10:05.20 | do0ob | simonrvn: who are you asking? |
| 10:05.35 | simonrvn | forget it... |
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| 10:06.34 | Defense|Twin | my problem is that i dont know where i should put wpa_supplicant.conf or should i use /etc/network/interfaces with wpa-* options (which doesn't seem to work) |
| 10:07.19 | Defense|Twin | i mean, which is the debian way? i know that i could get it working somehow but i want to learn how debian does it |
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| 10:11.10 | jmarsden | !tell Shadi_1231312 about 70 |
| 10:11.48 | Shadi_1231312 | jmarsden, AWESOME |
| 10:12.06 | jmarsden | Shadi_1231312: You're welcome. |
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| 10:14.04 | Shadi_1231312 | jmarsden, this is a remote server and I really dont want to mess it up, if I delete the entries and restart would udev reconfigure it, as I dont know the MAC of the interface not coming up |
| 10:14.38 | cast | $ mplayer Downloads/index.html |
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| 10:14.43 | cast | it makes perfect sense -_- |
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| 10:17.00 | jmarsden | Shadi_1231312: I'm not sure. There's probably a way to find out its MAC address... does lshw -c network help? |
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| 10:17.46 | valdyn | or just "ifconfig -a" |
| 10:17.57 | Shadi_1231312 | jmarsden, yes it does thanks |
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| 10:22.14 | f00li5h-mortal | Are the numbers in the lenny startup just times from boot? |
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| 10:23.11 | outlaw84 | how can I shutdown a socket connection? I used netstat to find that port 6880 is being used 'netstat | grep 6880 |
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| 10:23.28 | outlaw84 | and got back 'unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 6880 |
| 10:24.24 | outlaw84 | I usually use this port for something else, how can I find out/close the appliaction that is using my port? |
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| 10:25.18 | jmarsden | outlaw84: sudo netstat -xp # should show you what process has it in use |
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| 10:25.51 | jmarsden | So netstat -xp | grep 6800 in your case |
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| 10:26.11 | jmarsden | *6880 |
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| 10:26.37 | jez9999 | Hi... I'm trying to install libgtk2.0-dev but Synaptic Package Manager can't find all necessary dependencies. I get the following errors: http://pastebin.com/mcf8f61b |
| 10:26.44 | jez9999 | any idea how I can fix? |
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| 10:27.40 | jmarsden | jez9999: Looks like GNOME libraries are messed up... are you running Squeeze? |
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| 10:28.39 | jez9999 | nope |
| 10:28.47 | outlaw84 | jmeeuwen: oh, I was suppose to shut down the connection with netstat? I found the process with the command you supplied and used kill -9 on it, when I check in netstat the port is no longer used but my application still can use it to listen |
| 10:29.51 | jmarsden | outlaw84: port? Unix socket, I think. Which socket was it and what process usually creates that socket? |
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| 10:31.44 | mrbob009 | does debian-lenny support raid-1 with nforce 550? |
| 10:31.55 | outlaw84 | jmarsden: its 6880 I usually use it for Vuze |
| 10:31.57 | simonrvn | rents out f00li5h[ForRent] to the nearest pimp |
| 10:31.58 | jmarsden | outlaw84: Are you interested in TCP port 6880... if so, the netstat output you provided does not related to that at all. |
| 10:32.16 | jmarsden | outlaw84: See the "unix" at the start of the line? |
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| 10:32.35 | outlaw84 | jmarsden: oh okej, so how do I find out about TCP port 6880? |
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| 10:32.55 | simonrvn | man netstat |
| 10:32.58 | outlaw84 | jmarsden: Yea, I was under the impression that those where the same |
| 10:33.53 | jmarsden | outlaw84: netstat -ntlp4 # and if you don't know the difference between a socket and a port, interprocess communications in Unix are likely to be difficult for you to troubleshoot :) |
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| 10:35.16 | outlaw84 | jmarsden: netstat -ntlp4 does not show 6880 as being used :( |
| 10:35.25 | jmarsden | Then it isn't being used. |
| 10:36.00 | jmarsden | TCP port 6880. Well, theoretically some rootkit/hidden trojan is using it, but that seems unlikely at this point... |
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| 10:37.19 | outlaw84 | jmarsden: Is there some way to restart the netstack? |
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| 10:38.01 | jmarsden | Sure, /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 10:38.14 | valdyn | outlaw84: why the hell did you use kill -9 ? |
| 10:38.55 | outlaw84 | valdyn: I figuret it was the way to get the application to resleas the socket |
| 10:39.13 | valdyn | outlaw84: dont ever use kill -9, its useless |
| 10:40.01 | valdyn | outlaw84: now you can wait till the port is freed or kill the parent of the kill -9-ed process |
| 10:40.15 | valdyn | !uuok |
| 10:40.46 | valdyn | outlaw84: kill -9 drops the process without letting it clean up -> port still in use, naturally |
| 10:41.47 | outlaw84 | valdyn: yes I see that now, I guessed that there would be some kind of garbage collection |
| 10:41.49 | jmarsden | valdyn: Except that he killed a process related to a socket owned by pid 6880, because he misread/confused a unix socket for a TCP port...so I have a feeling you are heading down a rabbit trail with this? |
| 10:42.06 | outlaw84 | jmarsden: no it was not pid 6880 |
| 10:42.12 | valdyn | jmarsden: probably, but doesnt hurt to learn what kill -9 is |
| 10:42.36 | jmarsden | outlaw84: Did the networking restart do anything useful? |
| 10:42.57 | valdyn | outlaw84: kill -9 is often recommended by newbies because it *seems* to do what you want instantly. Problem is it does not. |
| 10:43.29 | outlaw84 | 'netstat -xp | grep 6880' got me 'unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 6880 2877/knotify4' |
| 10:44.21 | valdyn | outlaw84: xp does not show network ports? |
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| 10:44.44 | jmarsden | valdyn: man netstat :) No, there are no ports on unix sockets... |
| 10:45.01 | valdyn | jmarsden: what? |
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| 10:45.17 | valdyn | jmarsden: he is not seeing network ports if he uses netstat -xp |
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| 10:45.43 | jmarsden | valdyn: outlaw84 asked how to find out what was using a unix socket (he didn't realize that is what he was asking, but that is what his netstat output showed), so I told him how to find out... |
| 10:46.04 | jmarsden | Only later did I/we realize that output was not relevant and he was asking about a TCP port. |
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| 10:47.04 | jmarsden | So you are correct, he is not seeing network ports if he uses netstat -xp. That's why he killed the wrong process, which is why the whole kill -9 rabbit trail was not really all that useful... |
| 10:47.37 | machrider | trying to build a 32-bit Qt app under 64-bit etch, i've had to create symlinks in /usr/lib32 like libpng.so -> libpng12.so.0 |
| 10:47.38 | jmarsden | There is nothing using TCP port 6880 per netstat -ntlp4 | grep 6880 # as I understand it. |
| 10:48.04 | machrider | is there a more proper way to create those symlinks, rather than me just doing it by hand? |
| 10:48.11 | machrider | (so far, just had to do libpng and libz) |
| 10:48.21 | valdyn | jmarsden: that command does not lists ports in use |
| 10:48.33 | valdyn | jmarsden: it lists ports having a listener |
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| 10:49.00 | valdyn | jmarsden: that is ports awaiting connections |
| 10:49.49 | valdyn | outlaw84: "netstat -punt" or "netstat -punt4" |
| 10:50.04 | valdyn | outlaw84: or skip the u if you want only tcp.. |
| 10:50.07 | jmarsden | outlaw84: OK, so if we try that with no l, do we get a positive result? netstat -ntp4 (no need for U since we are looking for TCP, I thoiugh?) |
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| 10:50.40 | jspiros_ | whenever I use nano lately to compose a new file, it will scroll down a line every time I hit enter |
| 10:50.53 | jspiros_ | that is to say, if I type "Foo", hit enter, I will be moved to line 2, but line 1 will be scrolled out of view |
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| 10:50.55 | jmarsden | I'm getting tired and my typing is proof of that... nearly 3am here... |
| 10:50.59 | jspiros_ | "Foo" will still be on line 1 |
| 10:51.08 | jspiros_ | it did not do this in the past, and I have no idea why it is doing it now :( |
| 10:51.24 | machrider | jmarsden: you & me both.. almost 6am :) |
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| 10:52.10 | jmarsden | jspiros: That could be a TERM type mismatch of some sort maybe? try reset $TERM at a bash prompt and then use nano again? |
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| 10:53.17 | machrider | jspiros: i tend to have that when my terminal thinks it's bigger than it actually is. try resizing the window and see if it fixes itself. |
| 10:53.31 | Beezie | hi. i installed 64bit lenny. lspci shows my ethernet device. in system > administration > network i set eth0 as dhcp and close app. i get no address |
| 10:53.51 | jspiros | jmarsden: still doing it, TERM=xterm before and after reset |
| 10:54.05 | jspiros | machrider: resizing the window, before running nano, or while running nano, does not fix the problem |
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| 10:55.01 | jmarsden | Beezie: Now you need to restart networking or ifup eth0 or whatever so it tries to get an address... :) |
| 10:55.41 | jmarsden | jspiros: I'm not sure what the issue is. If you use a different terminal emulator do youget the same result (try gnome-terminal for example)? |
| 10:56.00 | Beezie | ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0 |
| 10:56.37 | jmarsden | Beezie: Sounds like a typo somewhere? Recheck contents of /etc/network/interfaces carefully ? But I need to go to sleep... |
| 10:56.41 | Beezie | k |
| 10:56.48 | Beezie | i never checked that fileyet as it is |
| 10:56.50 | Beezie | this is1st boot |
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| 10:57.18 | Beezie | it dont have eth0 listed. just auto and iface |
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| 10:57.30 | jspiros | jmarsden: I'm using Terminal.app, and iTerm on Mac OS X + ssh to Debian box, both with and without GNU screen running on the server |
| 10:57.32 | Beezie | do i need to add eth0? if so what other paramaters? |
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| 10:57.40 | jspiros | jmarsden: problem exists in all four combinations |
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| 10:58.15 | jmarsden | jspiros: Sounds like a new update to nano caused the bug, then?? See if /var/log/dpkg.log shows a recent update to it. |
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| 10:58.55 | Kanisterschleife | hi |
| 10:59.05 | jspiros | jmarsden: I recently updated from 2.0.9-2 to 2.1.99pre1-1 |
| 10:59.05 | jmarsden | Beezie: How did you set it up before? In Ubuntu, or in 32bit Debian, or whatever? |
| 10:59.17 | jspiros | jmarsden: I could downgrade and see if that's the problem, and file a bug if necessary :) |
| 10:59.28 | jmarsden | jspiros: Sounds like the right thing to do. |
| 10:59.36 | Kanisterschleife | how can I go through some steps of the debian installer again to change some settings like host- and domainname? |
| 10:59.57 | jspiros | jmarsden: well, actually, I'm going to check and see if it's fixed in 2.2.0 which seems to be in unstable |
| 10:59.59 | Beezie | jmarsden, it just connected w/ubuntu. dhcp or static. wtih lenny nada either way so far |
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| 11:00.35 | jspiros | wishes apt-cache supported release arguments when tracking multiple releases |
| 11:00.46 | jmarsden | Kanisterschleife: See http://www.debianadmin.com/change-hostname-or-server-name-of-a-linux-machine.html for resetting hostname |
| 11:01.27 | jelly-home | !hostname |
| 11:01.27 | dpkg | Use "hostname foo" to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', /etc/mailname. http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/ChangeHostname |
| 11:01.36 | Kanisterschleife | jmarsden: yes, already found this. what about the domain name? and is it possible to get into the debian installer again to change the settings there? |
| 11:02.00 | jspiros | jmarsden: ah, yes, 2.2.0 does not have this problem |
| 11:02.12 | jspiros | jmarsden: in this case, I probably shouldn't file a bug, right? |
| 11:02.24 | jmarsden | jspiros: Correct, the bug has already been fixed :) |
| 11:03.00 | jmarsden | Kanisterschleife: I'm not sure how to do that, probably dpkg-reconfigure but I don't know which package you would need to reconfigure... |
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| 11:04.15 | Kanisterschleife | jmarsen, jelly-home: thank you, I'll look at /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts |
| 11:04.50 | jmarsden | Kanisterschleife: If you put the FQDN in /etc/hostname you should update both hostname and DNS domain name. I think... |
| 11:05.29 | jmarsden | Beezie: I'm not sure how to deal with that... right now does ifconfig eth0 show the interface as being up? |
| 11:06.10 | jmarsden | The "eth0=eth0" error msg you saw seems strange, like a typo somewhere in a config file... |
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| 11:06.44 | jmarsden | Or you were asked for IP address and typed in eth0, or something ?? |
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| 11:07.19 | jmarsden | is falling asleep... goodnight all |
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| 11:07.40 | Beezie | jmarsden, im back |
| 11:08.10 | Kanisterschleife | jmarsen: good night |
| 11:08.13 | Beezie | yes but it has no ip. lspci sees the network chipset also |
| 11:08.28 | Beezie | jmarsden, i never configed a thing, this is literally a 1st boot |
| 11:09.26 | jmarsden | Beezie: OK, so can you set the IP by hand and get things to work? ifconfig eth0 1.2.3.4 stuff? Or just edit /etc/network/interfaces which is how I tend to configure network stuff... man interfaces for details on that... sorry, I really need to sleep :) |
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| 11:09.52 | jmarsden | is now really going AFK to sleep :) |
| 11:09.57 | Beezie | jmarsden, no worries i can deal with this tomorrow. i had nothing to lose from installing but network is 1st roadblock :P |
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| 11:24.09 | rajeshsr | hi |
| 11:24.21 | d1b | does squeeze get security support atm? |
| 11:24.33 | rajeshsr | when i try to play a .avi video song from terminal: vlc -v 'song.avi' |
| 11:24.37 | rajeshsr | it complains as: |
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| 11:25.13 | rajeshsr | [00000295] main decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `DX50'. |
| 11:25.14 | rajeshsr | VLC probably does not support this sound or video format |
| 11:25.26 | rajeshsr | But it is playing well, when double clicked from nautilus |
| 11:25.45 | rajeshsr | strange thing is: sudo vlc 'song.avi' works! |
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| 11:27.07 | rajeshsr | vlc -v --reset-plugins-cache gives: |
| 11:27.19 | rajeshsr | [00000001] main private warning: cannot load module `/usr/lib/vlc/codec/libffmpeg_plugin.so' (/usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavformat.so.52: undefined symbol: av_strlcatf) |
| 11:27.27 | rajeshsr | [00000001] main private warning: cannot load module `/usr/lib/vlc/stream_out/libstream_out_switcher_plugin.so' (/usr/lib/i686/cmov/libavformat.so.52: undefined symbol: av_strlcatf) |
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| 11:27.56 | rajeshsr | Can anyone correlate all this jigsaw puzzle to get a good picture?! :) So, confusing it is! |
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| 11:29.13 | rajeshsr | again: sudo vlc -v --reset-plugins-cache doesn't produce any warning like that! |
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| 11:29.53 | rajeshsr | assuming that as a non-root user i can't access those plugins, I wonder how gnome is able to launch it from nautilus! |
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| 11:35.45 | iceroot | can etch use ipv6? |
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| 11:36.47 | what | sure |
| 11:37.15 | what | http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=etch+ipv6&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=b36c7832dbb01be6 |
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| 11:39.18 | dutchfish | hi, could it be that random distribution is affected in uuid-dev after latest update of eglibc in debian squeeze/x86_64, i have had a clash based on uuidgen -r, or is this just being unluckey? |
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| 11:40.04 | karme | is there a specific reason why there is no old abi versatile arm kernel in lenny? |
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| 11:42.54 | ubsafder | anyone familliar with debugging makefiles ? |
| 11:42.58 | ubsafder | hello how can i see the uput of a make file . i mean the line and ption used as it compiles |
| 11:43.24 | karme | ubsafder: make -d ? |
| 11:43.36 | d1b | ubsafder: depends on the make file.. |
| 11:43.44 | d1b | karme: there isn't? |
| 11:44.02 | d1b | karme: it shouldn't matter tho... if you are on the new abi. |
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| 11:44.56 | karme | d1b: i am setting up a second qemu for old abi testing - at the moment i use a new abi (armel) kernel together with a old abi userland, but i am not sure this doesn't cause troubles in some cases |
| 11:45.19 | karme | is arm noob |
| 11:45.50 | d1b | karme: why are you doing that? |
| 11:45.54 | d1b | why not just use fool armel. |
| 11:45.59 | d1b | full* |
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| 11:46.21 | karme | d1b: it is for testing for old devices / compatibility |
| 11:46.26 | dutchfish | karme, http://www.nongnu.org/qemu/status.html |
| 11:46.50 | d1b | karme: i see, but wouldn't you be running the old abi for the kernel as well? |
| 11:47.38 | karme | dutchfish: you suggest to use user emulation? |
| 11:48.11 | dutchfish | karme, well, at least till kvm-qemu is up to spead for armel |
| 11:48.24 | karme | d1b: thats my problem - i could not find a old abi versatile kernel in lenny |
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| 11:49.02 | d1b | karme: are you sure ? |
| 11:49.04 | dutchfish | karme, it has *testing* status atm i am afriad |
| 11:49.07 | d1b | isn't "arm" old abi |
| 11:49.14 | d1b | oh wait you mean squeeze. |
| 11:49.29 | d1b | AH yes, "arm" support i believe is being dropped. |
| 11:49.34 | d1b | sad.... |
| 11:49.42 | karme | d1b: arm is old abi but lenny does not have the versatile kernel flavor in it (only in armel) |
| 11:49.53 | d1b | karme: um... lenny should. |
| 11:50.08 | d1b | it doesn't really matter tho. does it? |
| 11:50.54 | dutchfish | d1b, depends on what you want to do, if libvirtd is your goal, then you are hosed |
| 11:51.21 | d1b | dutchfish: waa? |
| 11:51.42 | d1b | is qemu only the old abi then? |
| 11:52.24 | karme | d1b: arm/lenny has: linux-image-2.6.26-2-footbridge linux-image-2.6.26-2-iop32x linux-image-2.6.26-2-ixp4xx linux-image-2.6.26-2-orion5x and armel/lenny additionally has the versatile kernel |
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| 11:52.32 | dutchfish | kvm is now in transition (almost completed) to fully integrate kvm hence prereleases did contain still kvm-qemu |
| 11:52.44 | dutchfish | into qemu that is |
| 11:52.54 | d1b | dutchfish: im confused... |
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| 11:53.10 | d1b | karme: mmk. |
| 11:53.30 | dutchfish | d1b, this means simply: kvm is in kernel, no separate kvm packages in debian in squeeze/sid, its in qemu now |
| 11:53.57 | d1b | dutchfish: what is ? |
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| 11:54.07 | karme | will try to compile an old abi versatile kernel himself |
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| 11:54.25 | dutchfish | karme, i think thats a good option for now |
| 11:55.11 | karme | dutchfish: it will just take ages ;-) |
| 11:55.25 | dutchfish | karme, i am afraid you are right |
| 11:55.49 | d1b | karme: disable stuff you don't need and it won't take that long :P |
| 11:56.16 | dutchfish | karme, however you could run a vm on a fastpased x64 in arm to do that (not ried that myself) |
| 11:56.19 | elli222 | HI, Ctrl-Alt-Bksp dosen't restart X anymore. i've added the DontZap "false" option, but this has done nothing. |
| 11:56.20 | dutchfish | s/ried/tried |
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| 11:57.24 | grig | hi guys |
| 11:58.34 | starenka | hi. is there a cli pakcage manager? i mean something like kpackge/synaptic but running w/out X? (something ala tasksel) |
| 11:58.46 | prince_jammys | aptitude |
| 11:58.48 | d1b | action09_: aptitude |
| 11:58.53 | grig | it seems that something like "/dev/hda1 / ext2 ro,noatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1" is not enough to mount my / partition read-only |
| 11:58.54 | d1b | erh * starenka * |
| 11:58.58 | grig | what am i missing? |
| 11:59.15 | karme | dutchfish: thats what i do |
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| 11:59.27 | dutchfish | karme, ;) |
| 11:59.28 | starenka | d1b: aptitude is just another apt-get frontend, no? aptitude install blah blah... |
| 11:59.39 | prince_jammys | starenka: invoke it without arguments |
| 11:59.46 | starenka | oh. thx |
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| 12:04.27 | prince_jammys | !tell elli222 about dontzap |
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| 12:05.03 | Kottizen | How do I create a new group? |
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| 12:05.37 | prince_jammys | ''man addgroup'' |
| 12:05.52 | prince_jammys | also groupadd |
| 12:05.54 | Kottizen | addgroup - command doesn't exist |
| 12:06.08 | starenka | install it |
| 12:06.27 | Kottizen | How? |
| 12:06.28 | Kottizen | o_O |
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| 12:07.27 | prince_jammys | there's addgroup, and groupadd |
| 12:07.40 | d1b | usermod -aG group user |
| 12:08.02 | Kottizen | I found the command. |
| 12:08.06 | Kottizen | It worked if I was root. |
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| 12:09.11 | prince_jammys | read about it before running it, ahem. |
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| 12:11.11 | Kottizen | Okey thanks. |
| 12:11.31 | Kottizen | One last question: How do I add so all members in the group "devlopers" have full rights on "/var/www"? |
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| 12:13.30 | reto`` | Kottizen: change the group for /var/www to developers and alter the permissions with chmod |
| 12:13.51 | Kottizen | Yes, but hpw? |
| 12:13.52 | Kottizen | how* |
| 12:15.04 | Kanisterschleife | hi. I want to use exim to send mail via a smarthost. I'm gone through exim4-config and put username and password for my smarthost in the passwd.client. now, sending mail via mail abc@def.de fails as (mainlog) exim tries to authenticate to the smarthost as hanno@localhost (hanno is my hostname, localhost the domain name), not using the data I put in passwd.client |
| 12:15.51 | Kanisterschleife | what am I doing wrong? |
| 12:16.24 | reto`` | Kottizen: chgrp -R developers /var/www |
| 12:16.30 | reto`` | Kottizen: check man chgrp to be sure |
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| 12:17.19 | Kottizen | Okey |
| 12:17.24 | Kottizen | Thanks you very much! :) |
| 12:17.38 | reto`` | Kottizen: then you need to use chmod |
| 12:18.15 | reto`` | let me see |
| 12:20.03 | Kanisterschleife | any idea? |
| 12:20.49 | reto`` | Kottizen: chmod -R g+rw /var/www |
| 12:21.01 | Kottizen | Thanks :D |
| 12:21.10 | reto`` | Kottizen: but also here... better read 'man chmod' to be sure |
| 12:21.19 | Kottizen | Okey |
| 12:21.21 | Kottizen | ye |
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| 12:21.22 | Kottizen | +s |
| 12:22.23 | prince_jammys | !permissions |
| 12:22.23 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
| 12:22.34 | prince_jammys | read any one of those |
| 12:22.52 | prince_jammys | or two, or three :) |
| 12:22.59 | Kottizen | hehe |
| 12:23.01 | Kottizen | okidoki :) |
| 12:23.42 | Kanisterschleife | ? |
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| 12:24.47 | rumpsy | Hey, good evening :) |
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| 12:25.34 | Kanisterschleife | Mh, please say something.. at least that you do not know how to fix my problem, but being ignored is very frustrating .. |
| 12:25.59 | rumpsy | Kanisterschleife: what was your problem? |
| 12:27.21 | Kanisterschleife | rumpsy: i try to send mail over a smarthost using exim. I think I made the necessary choices in dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, and I also put smarthost, username and password in passwd.client. But trying to send mail, the mainlog of exim tells me that exim tries to authenticate to the smarthost using my local host and domainname, not using the username I specified in passwd.client |
| 12:28.37 | reto`` | Kanisterschleife: maybe you'll find more help in #exim ? |
| 12:28.55 | rumpsy | ya, i copy reto`` , follow him |
| 12:29.22 | Kanisterschleife | reto``: I tried, but no one's responding |
| 12:29.32 | rumpsy | oh :( |
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| 12:30.02 | reto`` | Kanisterschleife: sometimes you need to hang on a bit... |
| 12:30.42 | rumpsy | Kanisterschleife: did you try this http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&rls=org.debian%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=smarthost+exim+configuration&aq=f&oq=&aqi= |
| 12:32.50 | action09_ | d1b ? |
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| 12:36.28 | d1b | action09: sorry wrong person. |
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| 12:38.09 | rojak | the "free" bash command showing the memory usage, and it show i have less than 1MB left or i should refer to "buffers/cache" instead, before I determine whether i need to add more RAM ? pls advise. TQ |
| 12:38.19 | valdyn | !free ram |
| 12:38.20 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux tries to use free physical memory for caching files from disk which speeds up disk access considerably. Linux releases RAM from these caches if programs need it. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. Also ask me about <swapwake>. |
| 12:40.19 | rojak | thanks valdyn |
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| 12:41.47 | baz | hi guys, I've just added a second hard drive to my debian lenny system - the existing hard drive uses LVM |
| 12:42.07 | baz | can I allocate the same amount of space on the second drive to set up software RAID against the first drive, without reformatting? |
| 12:42.24 | baz | and use the remainder of space on the second drive as a non-mirrored regular partition? |
| 12:42.37 | baz | I have googled, and found several examples of not-quite-what-I-want :) |
| 12:43.30 | Kanisterschleife | rumpsy: I'm going through the results but cannot find anything helpful |
| 12:43.55 | Kanisterschleife | rumpsy: just added my smarthost email address into /etc/email-addresses, but this doesnt help |
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| 12:45.47 | karme | baz: do you mean md software raid or lvm mirror? |
| 12:46.35 | baz | karme: er, I guess lvm would be more straightforward? unless there is a reason to add md to the mix? |
| 12:47.26 | karme | baz: i just ask :-) - i never used lvm mirror/raid |
| 12:47.54 | baz | karme: yeah, me neither :) this is actually the first box I've used lvm with at all - I'm old-fashioned |
| 12:48.49 | karme | baz: i think lvm md raid is more mature ... but thats just me (i am not sure wether lvm mirror supports incremental resync) |
| 12:49.13 | karme | ~s/think lvm md raid/think md raid/ |
| 12:50.02 | baz | karme: that's the impression I get - it behaves better in power loss situations apparently |
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| 12:50.59 | Kanisterschleife | damn, nothing's working |
| 12:51.07 | baz | but all the tutorials I can find are based on two identical drives - I have a 150Gb drive that currently runs the system, and a second 1Tb drive that I want to use as a 150G mirror of the first, then 850Gb of un-mirrored space |
| 12:52.49 | karme | Kanisterschleife: take a look at grep -A 25 remote_smtp_smarthost: /etc/exim4/exim4.conf.template |
| 12:53.13 | valdyn | baz: why do you need such a special tutorial? |
| 12:53.29 | valdyn | baz: you can raid any 2 block devices, a partition is a block device, what else is there? |
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| 12:54.37 | baz | valdyn: cos I don't know how it works. the example I've got here uses fdisk to copy the partition table from drive1 to drive2, which doesn't sound right if they are different sizes |
| 12:54.53 | valdyn | baz: so create the partition manually |
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| 12:55.27 | karme | Kanisterschleife: and man exim4_passwd_client |
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| 12:55.29 | Kanisterschleife | karme: yes, I did. I don't see something wrong there |
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| 12:55.43 | Kanisterschleife | karme: ok |
| 12:55.58 | valdyn | baz: but you can copy the partition table too. and create another partition on the large drive later |
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| 12:56.19 | karme | Kanisterschleife: basically you have _3_ fields: host:login:password |
| 12:56.20 | valdyn | baz: though if you are using lvm then partition sizes obviously are not really what you are after |
| 12:57.25 | baz | valdyn: thanks, that makes sense |
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| 12:58.16 | rumpsy | Bye |
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| 12:59.13 | lolskes | hi guys, ion3-scripts package for Squeeze contains nothing but a few readmes and a link to the webpage. Why bother packaging such a thing? |
| 12:59.35 | lolskes | apt-file search shows 5 files |
| 12:59.49 | Kanisterschleife | karme: yes. currently, i put in the file mail.uni-bonn.de:habecker:mypassword the mailserver is mail.uni-bonn and my address is habecker@uni-bonn.de |
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| 13:00.56 | lolskes | is there a way to see via online or other what packge versions of dependencies are needed to install a package? |
| 13:01.08 | baz | great, now fdisk is not letting me create the partition |
| 13:01.33 | baz | I add partition number 1, it just says "Warning: partition 1 has empty type" and doesn't let me specify size |
| 13:01.53 | baz | this can't be right /dev/sdb1 * 1 1 0 0 Empty |
| 13:02.12 | Kanisterschleife | karme: trying to send a mail, I get "SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:<hanno@localhost> SIZE=1372 AUTH=hanno@localhost: host mail.uni-bonn.de" |
| 13:02.24 | abrotman | lolskes: what are you actually trying to install ? |
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| 13:03.31 | Kanisterschleife | karme: That's what I do not understand. why does exim not replace hanno@localhost by habecker@uni-bonn.de (because thereis the corresponding entry in /etc/email-addresses) and why doesn't it see from passwd.client that the user name for AUTH is habecker and not "hanno@localhost" |
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| 13:04.16 | lolskes | abrotman: ion3-20090110 from sid (into testing) I'll fetch dependencies from squeeze repo, and build from source |
| 13:04.34 | EvilGenius | Hi! |
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| 13:05.04 | EvilGenius | I need some help with Kernel headers, Debian Lenny (2.6.28.7) its a server and they guys who set it up say they can't help me with it. |
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| 13:06.32 | lolskes | tell them you're an evil genius |
| 13:06.57 | ootput | lolskes: admins don't take threats likely |
| 13:06.57 | f00li5h[ForRent] | EvilGenius: there is a package with the headers, can you not just install it? |
| 13:07.03 | ootput | bah lightly* |
| 13:07.12 | DumbGenius | lolskes, does it make you feel better now? |
| 13:07.16 | DumbGenius | If it do #apt-get install linux-kernel-headers , i get Pkg is a virtual pkg provided by "Linux=libc-dev 2.6.26-19lenny2" |
| 13:07.32 | lolskes | DumbGenius: I'm all for honesty, cept when it's asked of me |
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| 13:08.19 | abrotman | DumbGenius: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 13:08.47 | DumbGenius | Couldn't find |
| 13:09.22 | abrotman | DumbGenius: what is your kernel now? uname -r |
| 13:09.27 | lolskes | is that the current kernel available in lenny? |
| 13:09.57 | DumbGenius | 2.6.28.7 .. |
| 13:10.03 | abrotman | no .. uname -r |
| 13:10.06 | abrotman | or uname -a |
| 13:10.24 | DumbGenius | #uname -r .. Gives: 2.6.28.7 |
| 13:10.30 | abrotman | and uname -a ? |
| 13:10.43 | DumbGenius | same |
| 13:10.43 | abrotman | oh .. that's not a Debian kernel |
| 13:10.47 | lolskes | bingo |
| 13:10.55 | abrotman | that's why there aren't any headers packaged for it from debian |
| 13:11.00 | abrotman | kept reading 28 as 26 |
| 13:11.13 | DumbGenius | anywhere i can get headers for it? |
| 13:11.33 | lolskes | DumbGenius: you can build it |
| 13:12.02 | DumbGenius | i'm sorry, really have no idea how to do it. i just saw a friend do it once but i never really grasped it.. |
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| 13:12.15 | lolskes | DumbGenius: with the correct source, make-kpkg kernel_headers |
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| 13:12.23 | lolskes | and other options. |
| 13:12.31 | abrotman | DumbGenius: cat /proc/version ? |
| 13:12.33 | flaps | hi, anybody know a good app with which to post binaries to usenet? |
| 13:13.01 | DumbGenius | abrotman, 1 min plz. |
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| 13:13.17 | lolskes | DumbGenius: |
| 13:13.38 | lolskes | DumbGenius: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=547520 read post #5 and #15 |
| 13:13.49 | lolskes | *#16, else consult the kernel guide for Debian |
| 13:13.56 | DumbGenius | abrotman, Linux version 2.6.28.7 (root@linux-muck) (gcc version 4.3.2 (Debian 4.3.2-1.1) ) #1 SMP Fri Mar 13 13:04:30 UTC 2009 |
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| 13:14.12 | abrotman | DumbGenius: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. says what ? |
| 13:14.53 | DumbGenius | abrotman, ii libc6 2.7-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 13:15.10 | DumbGenius | lolskes, thanks will look into it too. |
| 13:15.15 | abrotman | DumbGenius: and this is a hosted machine ? |
| 13:15.27 | DumbGenius | Yes, dedi server. |
| 13:15.35 | lolskes | take a peek in /usr/src |
| 13:15.41 | abrotman | you should ask them why there is a non-debian kernel running |
| 13:15.42 | lolskes | thos BOFH may have left something behind |
| 13:15.49 | abrotman | DumbGenius: don't change it until you ask them |
| 13:16.28 | DumbGenius | linux-headers-2.6.26-2-486 linux-headers-2.6.26-2-common linux-kbuild-2.6.26 i find those in /usr/src |
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| 13:17.01 | DumbGenius | abrotman, I can ask them but those germans don't budge .. they kinda don't reply to what they don't want to lol |
| 13:17.15 | lolskes | ze germans |
| 13:17.33 | abrotman | DumbGenius: so what happens if you isntall a kernel that isn't supported and it breaks the machine ? |
| 13:18.02 | lolskes | he reconsiders his nick, is what he'll do :P |
| 13:18.07 | DumbGenius | they will reinstall it for free, but I'll pretty much losing 20 hours of sleepless work. |
| 13:18.21 | abrotman | DumbGenius: you could backup that work ? |
| 13:18.23 | lolskes | DumbGenius: don't ever miss work |
| 13:18.27 | lolskes | it's not worth missing |
| 13:18.28 | DumbGenius | they're not big on support. |
| 13:18.51 | abrotman | DumbGenius: okay, so you need the headers to build something else? |
| 13:19.04 | DumbGenius | i need them for virtualbox |
| 13:19.19 | abrotman | then i guess you have to do it .. just keep their number handy |
| 13:19.55 | lolskes | abrotman: if it does break, at least now they'll do what they're paid to do |
| 13:20.07 | DumbGenius | .... |
| 13:20.09 | lolskes | DumbGenius: how were you granted privileges |
| 13:20.30 | DumbGenius | SSH then installed X & KDE and VNC and stuff. |
| 13:20.43 | lolskes | it's very rare that someone not on the payroll gets admin rights |
| 13:20.44 | abrotman | it's a dedicated server |
| 13:21.04 | karme | Kanisterschleife: don't intermix two different issues there |
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| 13:21.26 | lolskes | karme: define 'intermix' |
| 13:21.45 | karme | Kanisterschleife: passwd.client and aliases |
| 13:22.07 | lolskes | yikes, that's an actual word |
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| 13:22.52 | karme | Kanisterschleife: you did set the host part in the passwd.client file to the smarthost? |
| 13:23.16 | Kanisterschleife | karme: yes, ok, but there is an entry "mail.uni-bonn.de" in the passwd.client, and still it wants to authenticate as "hanno@localhost" |
| 13:23.38 | karme | Kanisterschleife: so your smarthost is mail.uni-bonn.de ? |
| 13:23.45 | Kanisterschleife | karme: yes |
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| 13:24.46 | DumbGenius | lolskes, i got the src kernel from Kernel.org |
| 13:24.49 | karme | Kanisterschleife: "grep dc_smarthost /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf" reflects that? |
| 13:25.46 | karme | Kanisterschleife: if you run exim as daemon did you restart it? |
| 13:25.48 | DumbGenius | lolskes, would it be safe to try " make-kpkg kernel_headers" ? |
| 13:26.07 | Kanisterschleife | karme: yes to both. |
| 13:26.22 | lolskes | DumbGenius: yeah |
| 13:26.36 | lolskes | DumbGenius: nothing gets installed by default (save for development packages) |
| 13:26.37 | Kanisterschleife | karme: I am very confused. I added an explicit alias in the rewrite section of the exim conf file by 'hanno@localhost "habecker@uni-bonn.de" Ffrs' and now everything works fine. But I do not understand why, because the alias has nothing to do with the login data, you told me |
| 13:26.48 | DumbGenius | uh the commands wrong lol |
| 13:26.49 | lolskes | DumbGenius: /usr/src/ will contain the built debs for you to install |
| 13:27.05 | karme | Kanisterschleife: the login should only depend on the passwd.client |
| 13:27.15 | lolskes | DumbGenius: did you see those posts? |
| 13:27.19 | abrotman | only if he puts the source in /usr/src/ |
| 13:27.24 | karme | Kanisterschleife: of course the smarthost could allow only specific senders ... |
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| 13:27.30 | DumbGenius | yes i did |
| 13:27.55 | karme | Kanisterschleife: your problem is solved? |
| 13:28.31 | Kanisterschleife | karme: yes, ok, but in the error message above you see that exim sent "MAIL FROM: hanno@localhost" as well as "AUTH: hanno@localhost". If the alias was broken, the MAIL FROM part is ok, but still AUTH should have been correct |
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| 13:28.57 | lolskes | abrotman: yeah |
| 13:28.59 | nadar_ | hi |
| 13:29.08 | karme | Kanisterschleife: maybe you did not recreate the config files / restart before |
| 13:29.36 | karme | Kanisterschleife: don't know - have to leave now - have a nice day |
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| 13:32.48 | matthiasb | I've got a problem: My old notebook's graphics don't work anymore and i have to work completely blind. |
| 13:32.49 | matthiasb | So i thought i still can make some use of it if Debian is installed. The problem is, i can't change the boot sequence for network boot (no graphics, no bios). |
| 13:33.01 | matthiasb | What i found was "Network install from a minimal CD" which would work, except i have to guide the installation over network too. |
| 13:33.16 | matthiasb | Is there a way to install debian booting from a minimal CD and guide the installation over ssh (with putty)? |
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| 13:34.15 | patrikf | matthiasb: the standard d-i images have the ability to continue on a ssh session. |
| 13:34.32 | patrikf | I'm sure theres some way to make them enter that mode automatically |
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| 13:34.58 | patrikf | but you might as well run the debian installer on two machines in parallel and press the same keys until you've got ssh set up. |
| 13:35.19 | Caelum | bleh, libtool doesn't work with stow anymore |
| 13:35.25 | patrikf | matthiasb: (or temporarily attach a monitor to your notebook until that point) |
| 13:35.58 | matthiasb | Sorry, that doesn't work, i attached a monitor befor to see if i can get into the bios but the graphics seem to be dead. |
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| 13:36.38 | matthiasb | What's an d-i image? |
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| 13:37.49 | lolskes | did dumbgenius leave? |
| 13:37.56 | lolskes | or re-nick? |
| 13:38.14 | abrotman | left .. awhile ago |
| 13:38.31 | patrikf | matthiasb: d-i is the debian installer |
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| 13:38.38 | matthiasb | oh |
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| 13:40.20 | matthiasb | So should i try to download a standard image file and try if there's a response on ssh? |
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| 13:41.16 | patrikf | matthiasb: well, you'll need a CD image for sure, netinst will probably do. |
| 13:41.57 | patrikf | then you'd either have to blindly use the keyboard to get to the "continue over ssh" point, which is why I suggested you have the installer running on a computer with display in parallel |
| 13:42.06 | patrikf | or you can also preseed that image, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apb.html |
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| 13:43.24 | fr33k | XTerm*faceName: Bitstream Vera Sans Mono:size=11 |
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| 13:44.21 | fr33k | sorry wrong terminal |
| 13:44.23 | matthiasb | Thanks, i will try that and come back later. |
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| 14:01.53 | imganquan | hi all. how to set the cursor of tty? |
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| 14:07.32 | cityLights | hi all , where are the .deb files downloaded to? |
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| 14:07.45 | cityLights | I seek the deb file I just installed a package from |
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| 14:08.22 | muelli_ | cityLights: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 14:09.01 | cityLights | oh thanks |
| 14:09.11 | Ansumon | Hii, i set up wireless ,mycard is intel 3945, i can see iwlist scan results, but cant connect to them . Please help me |
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| 14:11.13 | themill | Ansumon: how are you trying to connect? |
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| 14:12.06 | Ansumon | iwconfig wlan0 essid wireless-name |
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| 14:13.04 | themill | Ansumon: you presumably also need to set a key for the connection as your wireless is probably secured by WPA or WEP or similar. |
| 14:13.36 | Ansumon | its wpa-psk tkip, how can i set my key |
| 14:13.46 | omes | for wpa you might want to use /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:13.51 | themill | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi has lots of details about various ways to do this. That chipset works quite happily into network-manager |
| 14:14.19 | Ansumon | Themill, i would like to do it from termiinal |
| 14:14.30 | omes | Ansumon: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse |
| 14:14.32 | themill | that's also detailed on that web page |
| 14:14.46 | omes | Ansumon: that one is nice you need something to just show you how to get it working :) |
| 14:15.27 | omes | basically install wpa-supplicant and edit /etc/network/interfaces, ifdown wlan, ifup wlan - youre set |
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| 14:17.09 | Ansumon | Omes, from which repository shud i install wpa-supplicant, when i tried aptitude install wpa-suplicant it said cannot be found |
| 14:17.40 | omes | Ansumon: wpasupplicant |
| 14:18.00 | Ansumon | thanks, it worked |
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| 14:25.28 | Ansumon | Thankyou themill and omes, wifi works now :) |
| 14:25.43 | themill | !congratulate Ansumon |
| 14:25.43 | dpkg | Woohoo Ansumon, you did it! |
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| 14:30.13 | Ansumon | dpkg,yeehaaa |
| 14:30.13 | dpkg | Ansumon: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 14:30.35 | Ansumon | :) |
| 14:31.56 | mns | Is there a smtp server that I can use which is simple to configure ? I just want it to do very simple things: send all non-local mail to a smarthost. The smarthost is different based on whether I'm at work or home. |
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| 14:33.34 | patrikf | mns: check (with aptitude or on packages.d.o) the packages that provide mail-transport-agent |
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| 14:34.15 | EvilGenius | show can i unbind a por from ssh ? i use that to bind it > ssh -L 5901:127.0.0.1:5901 user@server |
| 14:34.17 | EvilGenius | how* |
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| 14:34.40 | patrikf | mns: forget about p.d.o, seems it can't do that. |
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| 14:35.36 | patrikf | EvilGenius: kill the ssh process that forwards it |
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| 14:36.34 | EvilGenius | im not sure, shouldn't a reboot had done it? im trying to tunnle vnc <-> ssh but can't seem to make it work |
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| 14:37.13 | mns | EvilGenius, you're trying to get VNC to work over an SSH tunnel ? |
| 14:37.21 | EvilGenius | yep |
| 14:37.27 | mns | how did you start ssh ? |
| 14:37.32 | mns | I do that all the time |
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| 14:38.01 | EvilGenius | uh.. Its a dedicated server so I installed X & Tightvnc |
| 14:38.28 | EvilGenius | SSH was already there..... |
| 14:38.48 | mns | but what about the client side ? ho ware you starting your ssh client ? |
| 14:39.04 | bzed | EvilGenius: and what do you mean by 'unbind' |
| 14:40.27 | EvilGenius | what i did is use ssh -CL 5902:localhost:5900 user@system to bind it |
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| 14:40.50 | EvilGenius | what i can't figure out is how to get it work as my viewer still says no encryption. (on windows) |
| 14:41.20 | EvilGenius | bzed, im not sure, i wanted to clear the port so i could try again |
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| 14:42.55 | mns | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.56 | testq | hi, so just to clarify -- the output for the time command: user is the time it takes to actually be executed for the user |
| 14:43.10 | testq | and ...real is the cpu time it took? |
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| 14:43.43 | EvilGenius | mns, i have executed that command, now can you tell me what should i do next ? usually i would do tightvncserver -geometry 1280x800 |
| 14:43.58 | mns | testq, real time is the time on the wall-clock it took to do thing. user time is the amount of time spent in the user space. |
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| 14:45.14 | mns | EvilGenius, then on your client system what you want to do is tell it to connect to localhost or localhost:02 that should be it |
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| 14:45.45 | mns | I always have a vnc session up from home and connect to it from work and friends houses over ssh. |
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| 14:46.02 | IRC-666 | Hey #debian |
| 14:46.04 | IRC-666 | what's up? |
| 14:46.15 | IRC-666 | I have a problem |
| 14:46.16 | testq | mns: I see, and sys is the time in system code for the task? |
| 14:46.33 | IRC-666 | I am mexian and I think I can't use debian because my friend told me that debian is racist |
| 14:46.49 | mns | testq, that is correct. |
| 14:46.50 | abrotman | IRC-666: please go troll somewhere else |
| 14:47.41 | EvilGenius | mns, ip:1 that doesn't seem to do it.. i don't see any encpt still. |
| 14:49.01 | testq | mns: thanks, your help is appreciated. |
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| 14:55.19 | sassynat | hi all |
| 14:55.30 | sassynat | does any one know if debian support multicast routing? |
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| 14:55.46 | valdyn | sure does |
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| 14:56.33 | lvh | sassynat: Yes, by virtue of Linux supporting it, mostly. :-) |
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| 14:59.23 | matthiasb | Hi, blind installing debian by configuring "continue installation over ssh" doesn't work. I have blindly configured the debian installer parallel with a notebook with working monitor. |
| 14:59.36 | matthiasb | but it responds differently. |
| 14:59.56 | sassynat | valdyn, lvh yes but how, what do u mean by virtue |
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| 15:00.15 | matthiasb | So i can't get it to listen to SSH-Connection over the standard installer. |
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| 15:00.44 | patrikf | matthiasb: i see. seems you'll have to go the preseed way then (check installation guide) |
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| 15:01.10 | matthiasb | What i need is a preeseded Debian Installer that automatically without ANY user input listens to all available network devices to incoming ssh connections. |
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| 15:04.27 | sassynat | ? |
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| 15:05.32 | matthiasb | That looks complicated. Is it possible to swap the hard disks of my notebooks, install debian on the one with working monitor, swap them back and boot from it? |
| 15:05.32 | matthiasb | What's the worst that can happen= |
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| 15:07.43 | matthiasb | So, should i try that? Is it harmful? |
| 15:07.55 | abrotman | should be fine .. worst that happens is that it doesn't owrk |
| 15:08.20 | abrotman | you'll probably have messed up networking because of udev .. /msg dpkg 70 |
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| 15:08.46 | patrikf | matthiasb: I don't think preseeding is that complicated. |
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| 15:09.02 | i37net | hi everyone, just setup my first vps. both vps and my home machine im using to connect to my vps are running lenny. i connect to my vps via ssh. was wondering what would be the best way to upload web pages to my vps |
| 15:10.07 | themill | i37net: I either use rsync or unison to do that. |
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| 15:11.24 | matthiasb | @ patrikf for a linux newbie it certainly is. I'm trying to install it on another pc, swap hard disk and hope the network won't be messed up. |
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| 15:13.44 | i37net | themill: thanks. wll give both a try. |
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| 15:14.31 | themill | i37net: rsync is certainly easier to get going although unison isn't too hard, really. If you are only ever going to edit the files on your home machine then you only need rsync, unison would be overkill. |
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| 15:17.18 | i37net | themill:i will probably do most if not all editing on home and just upload. thanks for advice. |
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| 15:21.20 | cityLights | does anyone here uses pidgin with bonjur? |
| 15:21.32 | cityLights | let me ask it diffrently: where should I seek advice about pidigin and bonjur? |
| 15:22.18 | d1b | cityLights: #pidgin ... |
| 15:22.22 | d1b | cityLights: doesn't it work? |
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| 15:23.17 | freaky[t] | is there any repository where i can get newer php version? |
| 15:23.24 | freaky[t] | squeezy |
| 15:23.26 | abrotman | than what? |
| 15:23.27 | freaky[t] | *squeez |
| 15:23.33 | freaky[t] | than per default in squeez |
| 15:23.35 | abrotman | doesn't squeeze have 5.3.x ? |
| 15:23.38 | abrotman | squeeze |
| 15:23.40 | freaky[t] | no |
| 15:23.50 | abrotman | judd: versions php5 |
| 15:23.50 | judd | abrotman: php5 -- etch: 5.2.0-8+etch13 etch-security: 5.2.0+dfsg-8+etch16 sid: 5.2.6-5 lenny: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny2 lenny-security: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4 sid: 5.2.6.dfsg.1-3 squeeze: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-1 sid: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-2 squeeze: 5.2.11.dfsg.1-2 experimental: 5.3.0-3 |
| 15:23.54 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 15:24.20 | cityLights | dIb: no , I get unable to establish connection to mDNS server |
| 15:24.28 | freaky[t] | hm |
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| 15:24.49 | d1b | cityLights: you need avahi |
| 15:25.59 | cityLights | Starting Avahi Unicast DNS Configuration Daemon: avahi-dnsconfd failed! |
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| 15:26.54 | themill | freaky[t]: if 5.3.x weren't such a broken mess, it would be in squeeze by now... |
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| 15:27.06 | freaky[t] | themill, hm, ok |
| 15:27.12 | freaky[t] | thank you |
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| 15:29.44 | thomas_sch | could it be that the debian initscript program saves a copy of /etc/lvm/backup in the initscript? |
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| 15:30.14 | Tass` | I've installed debian via debootstrap - but it doesn't find the root device on the lvm - how to tell debian to use lvm? |
| 15:30.49 | karmatronic | Tass`: debian default installer doesnt support LVM |
| 15:31.01 | karmatronic | Tass`: if i remember well |
| 15:31.02 | Tass` | karmatronic, DEBOOTSTRAP |
| 15:31.15 | patrikf | karmatronic: yes it does |
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| 15:32.39 | Tass` | karmatronic, and it's not the installer that's the problem here :-/ |
| 15:33.12 | patrikf | Tass`: did you install the lvm2 package? |
| 15:33.14 | Tw33k^ | abrotman: |
| 15:33.18 | cityLights | how to add avahi-daemon as a service to start up automatically? |
| 15:33.26 | Tw33k^ | i was in here the other day talking about my wifi signal with a new kernel |
| 15:33.35 | Tw33k^ | showing 0% with 2.6.32 - do you recall? |
| 15:33.39 | Tass` | patrikf, eeeeehm |
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| 15:33.55 | Tw33k^ | abrotman? |
| 15:34.31 | patrikf | Tass`: is that a no? :D |
| 15:34.49 | Tass` | patrikf, yep |
| 15:35.04 | abrotman | Tw33k^: i was part of it .. i think someone else helped you |
| 15:35.27 | Tw33k^ | you told me - fairly tongue in cheek - that I should take it to the kernel people |
| 15:35.36 | Tw33k^ | i did |
| 15:35.41 | abrotman | because you said the old kernel worked fine ? |
| 15:35.42 | Tw33k^ | turns out it was a kernel bug |
| 15:35.52 | abrotman | wait .. are you saying i was .. right? |
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| 15:35.56 | Tw33k^ | yes |
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| 15:36.02 | abrotman | do i get a cookie? |
| 15:36.04 | Tw33k^ | no |
| 15:36.07 | Tw33k^ | you get +10 internets. |
| 15:36.18 | karmatronic | Tass`: my bad,sorry.you should chroot into your debootstap environment and install lvm2 there |
| 15:36.20 | Tass` | Tw33k^, I want +10 desu! |
| 15:36.43 | Tw33k^ | yea they wrote a patch for me on kernel.org after I replicated the issue on another box |
| 15:36.57 | Tw33k^ | turns out the stable kernel legit. was borked |
| 15:36.59 | abrotman | Tw33k^: that was nice of htme .. all working fine now ? |
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| 15:37.11 | Tw33k^ | all working fine now after the patch and recompile |
| 15:37.13 | Kazuha | Tass`: That's written |
| 15:37.16 | Tass` | hups. I forgot to set rootpw |
| 15:37.29 | Tw33k^ | Linux jdub-thinkpad 2.6.32 #1 SMP Wed Dec 9 22:58:26 EST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:37.30 | Kazuha | ã§ã |
| 15:37.36 | Tw33k^ | everything working dandy |
| 15:37.38 | Tass` | how to set the hostname? ;-) |
| 15:37.45 | Tw33k^ | Tass`: hostname |
| 15:37.47 | Tw33k^ | lol |
| 15:38.01 | Kazuha | (Clumsy rightclicking) |
| 15:38.29 | patrikf | Tass`: temporarily, hostname; permanently, /etc/hostname |
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| 15:39.11 | Tw33k^ | abrotman: so thanks. |
| 15:39.14 | Tass` | patrikf, thanks |
| 15:39.21 | Tass` | how to install 2.6.31 on lenny? |
| 15:39.24 | Tw33k^ | and sorry for RAGEQUITing and calling you a douche |
| 15:39.29 | Tw33k^ | :| |
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| 15:39.41 | patrikf | !bpo Tass` |
| 15:39.51 | Tw33k^ | Tass`: tiss rather easy |
| 15:39.52 | abrotman | Tass`: .30 is at backports.org |
| 15:40.02 | Tw33k^ | although 2.6.32 is the latest stable kernel |
| 15:40.06 | patrikf | dpkg: can i haz factoid? |
| 15:40.07 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, patrikf |
| 15:40.11 | Tw33k^ | so not sure why you'd want 2.6.31 |
| 15:40.18 | Tass` | patrikf, I need .31 ;-) |
| 15:40.25 | Tass` | Tw33k^, because the eth0 doesn't work with .30 |
| 15:40.33 | Tw33k^ | is it a >31 thing |
| 15:40.38 | Tw33k^ | or an =31 thing |
| 15:40.50 | karmatronic | Tw33k^: ethernet card? |
| 15:41.03 | Tass` | Tw33k^, >= .31 |
| 15:41.10 | Tw33k^ | Tass`: use 2.6.32 then |
| 15:41.37 | Tass` | Tw33k^, got a compiling guide around :-) |
| 15:41.40 | Tw33k^ | Tass`: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/kernel2.6.htm |
| 15:41.54 | cityLights | d1b: thnaks. how can I download a package without installing it? |
| 15:41.59 | Provito | before re-inventing the wheel is there a way to prevent a process running when the load is higher then a certain amount |
| 15:42.14 | Tw33k^ | Tass`: replace linux-2.6.14.5* with linux-2.6.32.tar.bz2 |
| 15:42.17 | katakbuta | hey guys. any idea why the xargs pipe isnt working? |
| 15:42.19 | katakbuta | http://pastebin.com/d5dff926c |
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| 15:42.37 | Tw33k^ | Tass`: and you should be good to go - i'm running 2.6.32 on squeeze atm |
| 15:42.40 | Provito | as in a cron job it would check the load and if the load was higher than a threshold the job would not run |
| 15:42.53 | Provito | I'm rolling a shell script to check this but seemed likely something was already out there |
| 15:43.12 | Tass` | Tw33k^, there are no built packages? |
| 15:43.17 | Tw33k^ | Tass`: no |
| 15:43.18 | valdyn | katakbuta: because mv does not know * |
| 15:43.25 | Tw33k^ | Tass`: they stop at 30 |
| 15:43.33 | Tw33k^ | i had to roll my own 31 a few weeks ago |
| 15:43.34 | Tass` | O.o WTF? now eth0 doesn't work anymore with .31 (archlinux) |
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| 15:43.52 | d1b | Tass`: does it work with a 2.6.26 ? |
| 15:44.01 | Tass` | d1b, no. tried with the installer |
| 15:44.09 | Tass` | d1b, with .30, at least the wlan works |
| 15:44.17 | Tw33k^ | are you sure its a kernel level issue? |
| 15:44.27 | Tass` | yeah. |
| 15:44.33 | Tw33k^ | you've got the right modules loaded and the interfaces are aliased correctly? |
| 15:44.35 | katakbuta | valdyn: but doesnt it usually works if you type it on shell? mv bleh* test/ |
| 15:45.02 | valdyn | katakbuta: the shell does not find any file matching {}.* |
| 15:45.14 | Tass` | Tw33k^, should be |
| 15:45.32 | d1b | cityLights: apt-get -d ...? |
| 15:45.36 | valdyn | katakbuta: which is expected, or do you have any file {}.* ? |
| 15:45.45 | karmatronic | Provito: cpulimit |
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| 15:45.56 | katakbuta | valdy: nope |
| 15:46.02 | eXp`iRc|19163 | ciao |
| 15:46.03 | Provito | karmatronic, thanks |
| 15:46.05 | eXp`iRc|19163 | !list |
| 15:46.05 | dpkg | exp`irc|19163: VATTENE VIA |
| 15:46.18 | valdyn | katakbuta: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 15:46.18 | eXp`iRc|19163 | fak |
| 15:46.26 | d1b | eXp`iRc|19163: trolling? |
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| 15:46.57 | abrotman | no, he's italian |
| 15:47.07 | Provito | karmatronic, no this isn't quite what I mean. I want to only run a process if the load is lower than a threshold limit |
| 15:47.33 | abrotman | you could just renice it |
| 15:47.34 | Provito | I don't want to slow the process as this script affects db replication affecting other nodes |
| 15:47.37 | Tass` | Tw33k^, interessting... lspci doesn't show the eth0 anymore |
| 15:47.43 | katakbuta | valdyn: moving those files into their own dirs. the dir is those filename w/o extension |
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| 15:48.05 | patrikf | Provito: "batch" or some advanced cron daemon might do the job |
| 15:48.26 | patrikf | and yes, nice/ionice might be more practical |
| 15:48.28 | Provito | patrikf, perfect! |
| 15:48.44 | Provito | batch executes commands when load levels permit |
| 15:48.49 | Provito | that's what I'm looking for |
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| 15:49.27 | valdyn | katakbuta: mv would not create that directory either |
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| 15:49.51 | katakbuta | valdyn: yeah but those dirs already exist |
| 15:50.14 | cityLights | d1b: thnaks again mate |
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| 15:51.56 | valdyn | katakbuta: use find -exec |
| 15:52.02 | valdyn | katakbuta: or a loop |
| 15:52.42 | katakbuta | valdyn: find . -type f -name "*.txt" -exec sed -e "s/^.\///g" -e "s/.txt//g" | xargs -I X echo mv X.* X/ <-? |
| 15:52.53 | valdyn | katakbuta: no, not a pipe |
| 15:53.09 | katakbuta | sorry im really clueless..can you show me the command? |
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| 15:54.50 | ngomes | hi , anyone with 2.6.31.-1 and nvidia 190.42 drv working ? |
| 15:55.04 | d1b | !nvidia |
| 15:55.04 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 15:59.04 | Tw33k^ | Tass`: if lspci isnt showing it, you likely have a problem with the hardware |
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| 15:59.51 | Tass` | Tw33k^, it showed before I started debian with .30 :-/ |
| 15:59.57 | Tass` | now it doesn't anymore. |
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| 16:09.03 | scout__ | hi |
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| 16:09.22 | JNSamuel | salute |
| 16:09.50 | blue_raven99 | Anybody feel like helping me get headphones working? |
| 16:09.54 | valdyn | katakbuta: find . -type f -name "*.txt" | while read i; do $DIRNAME = $(sed -e "s/^.\///g" -e "s/.txt//g"); mv $i $DIRNAME;done |
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| 16:10.31 | ehnvis | blue_raven99: have you unmuted the headphone toggle? |
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| 16:10.43 | blue_raven99 | Yeah I have |
| 16:11.32 | blue_raven99 | Well, I say that, it only shows up in alsamixer, not in gnome alsamixer |
| 16:11.34 | valdyn | katakbuta: mind this breaks on filenames with whitespace |
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| 16:12.05 | katakbuta | valdyn: thanks :) |
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| 16:12.59 | ngomes | /quit |
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| 16:13.22 | blue_raven99 | I have raised and unmuted all the volume controls, still nothing from headphones |
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| 16:15.29 | ehnvis | strange should really work then. checked /var/log/messages for any errors? or dmesg? |
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| 16:16.10 | blue_raven99 | what should I be looking for in dmesg? |
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| 16:16.47 | P0WER | blue_raven99: fuck you jude |
| 16:17.07 | blue_raven99 | It's a massive output.. |
| 16:17.19 | ehnvis | blue_raven99: anything that has to do with alsa |
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| 16:17.56 | P0WER | debian sux linux sux jude sux american sux usa sux sux sux sux |
| 16:18.06 | d1b | P0WER: you are a troll. |
| 16:18.14 | d1b | good bye |
| 16:18.21 | d1b | !ops |
| 16:18.22 | dpkg | somebody said ops was Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
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| 16:18.29 | P0WER | hahaha\ |
| 16:18.33 | P0WER | !ops |
| 16:18.33 | dpkg | methinks ops is Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. |
| 16:18.45 | P0WER | isn't work? |
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| 16:20.14 | person | How can I make different applications be different preferred alternatives in different desktop environments? |
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| 16:20.52 | person | Oops |
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| 16:21.39 | scratchme | Hi all. I've been trying to get a debian VM inside XenServer 5.5 to show the network link speed, but when I do: ethtool eth0 I just get "Link detected: Yes". Any advice? I've also tried mii-tool, and googled a fair bit on it. |
| 16:21.39 | d1b | person: set them so in the different desktop environments? |
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| 16:22.10 | Arrowmaster | packages with priority of standard are usually not set to automatically installed right? |
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| 16:22.46 | person | I mean: How can I make the alternative for a certain generic name differ across DE's? |
| 16:23.40 | person | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:24.04 | daltio | guys i am searching fo opensource software which does website Vulnerability scanning , identify loop whole and security isses on sustem , open ports and all |
| 16:24.24 | valdyn | daltio: wrong channel |
| 16:24.26 | d1b | daltio: there is a number of applications. |
| 16:24.30 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:24.41 | daltio | d1b which channel to go? |
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| 16:25.18 | themill | Arrowmaster: from a base install, no, they will be manually installed. But etch->lenny changes what packages are p:standard so you will end up with some of them being marked as auto installed |
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| 16:27.26 | scratchme | Hi all. I've been trying to get a debian VM inside XenServer 5.5 to show the network link speed, but when I do: ethtool eth0 I just get "Link detected: Yes". Any advice? I've also tried mii-tool, and googled a fair bit on it. |
| 16:28.25 | nsadmin | probably the hardware link parameters are not shown to a vm |
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| 16:30.24 | scratchme | nsadmin, any idea how I might get the information from the host then? |
| 16:30.55 | nsadmin | that is what you have to do... get it from the host rather than a guest |
| 16:31.18 | scratchme | Right, I can see the host's link speed, but I can't figure out how to see what link the guest is able to establish. |
| 16:31.35 | scratchme | It should be the same, but I'm not getting the commensurate speed I'd expect. |
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| 16:31.52 | d1b | scratchme: iperf and test it ... |
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| 16:32.33 | nsadmin | scratchme: hmm. that's a different problem |
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| 16:33.09 | scratchme | nsadmin, I figured if I could see the link speed I could tell if it's just connecting at 100Mbps instead of 1Gbps. |
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| 16:34.23 | ngomes | hi |
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| 16:34.42 | ngomes | anyone with sid kernel and nvidia 190.42 series installed ? |
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| 16:35.58 | ngomes | no one with nvidia ? |
| 16:36.16 | nsadmin | !ask |
| 16:36.16 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 16:36.59 | ngomes | my question is : i need to change my driver from 170.xx to 190.42 , apt-get only goes to nvidia-glx and downloads 170.xx |
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| 16:37.03 | d1b | !sid |
| 16:37.03 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 16:37.53 | Arrowmaster | use aptitude and select the 190.42 versions from unstable then |
| 16:37.54 | ngomes | d1b: sure ... sid users are all on their own |
| 16:38.18 | ngomes | Arrowmaster: i've been on aptitude , nvidia-glx and cant find that option |
| 16:38.27 | Arrowmaster | then you arent running sid |
| 16:38.38 | Arrowmaster | or you dont have sid sources in your sources.list |
| 16:38.47 | ngomes | i have and non-free |
| 16:38.53 | ngomes | ill paste what i have |
| 16:39.00 | nsadmin | the reason for nonsupport in !sid is misstated |
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| 16:39.21 | scratchme | d1b, btw, iperf shows 77.5Mbps bandwidth. |
| 16:39.31 | d1b | scratchme: which isn't that bad.. |
| 16:39.38 | ngomes | deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib |
| 16:39.38 | ngomes | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 16:39.43 | ngomes | here Arrowmaster |
| 16:39.50 | Arrowmaster | you dont have non-free for sid |
| 16:39.52 | d1b | but would be 100mbs and not 1gbs. |
| 16:39.59 | ngomes | ohhhhhhh |
| 16:40.14 | d1b | ngomes: also why are you mixing repositories? |
| 16:40.14 | ngomes | i need to change 3º field to sid ? |
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| 16:40.23 | ngomes | i justr do |
| 16:40.29 | scratchme | d1b, the host is an E5340 Xeon w/ dual gigabit nics. |
| 16:40.32 | ngomes | i just followed one howto |
| 16:40.40 | scratchme | d1b, I was hoping for at least 300Mbps+ |
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| 16:40.52 | nsadmin | so, ok. get rid of the stable line and add non-free on the end of the sid line |
| 16:41.09 | ngomes | k |
| 16:41.19 | d1b | scratchme: yes i would probably as well... perhaps it is just over lo that you get thaht speed. |
| 16:41.22 | themill | ngomes: are you trying to run lenny or sid here? |
| 16:41.42 | d1b | but if it was over lo i would expect better possibly... |
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| 16:42.45 | scratchme | d1b, when I connect the VM to itself, I get 11.7Gbps. |
| 16:42.56 | ngomes | themill: im still noob at debian ... sid and lenny make me some confusion 8-) |
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| 16:43.13 | themill | ngomes: then don't do what nsadmin said about removing stable from your sources.list |
| 16:43.16 | d1b | scratchme: o. |
| 16:43.19 | d1b | oh* |
| 16:43.31 | ngomes | themill: i already did the upgrade to sid |
| 16:43.36 | ngomes | i want sid only |
| 16:43.46 | ngomes | so , line is correct , i believe |
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| 16:44.10 | nsadmin | ngomes: you may or may not be ready to deal with sid by yourself... but, it's your machine |
| 16:44.24 | themill | ngomes: I thought we had this conversation on Wednesday and concluded that you would stick with stable until you knew enough to deal with a broken sid. |
| 16:44.29 | ngomes | ill try , if not ill return to lenny |
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| 16:44.44 | ngomes | themill: nope, was not me |
| 16:44.49 | nsadmin | the only way to return is to reinstall fresh |
| 16:45.04 | antii | hello, i tried to add this to my sources.list, deb http://ftp.port80.se/ lenny main contrib but it didnt work, how come? |
| 16:45.12 | nsadmin | or restore from backups if you have them |
| 16:45.14 | ngomes | i used slackware current for years and never had a problem |
| 16:45.15 | ctmjr | ngomes: your a self proclaimed noob and you want to run unstable? |
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| 16:45.36 | ngomes | ctmjr: i have slackware experience |
| 16:45.41 | ngomes | not a linux noov |
| 16:45.46 | ngomes | noob * |
| 16:45.49 | themill | (we *did* have that conversation on Wednesday... I've just reread the logs) |
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| 16:47.14 | themill | antii: probably needs to be "http://ftp.port80.se/debian/" instead |
| 16:47.22 | antii | ah |
| 16:47.45 | Indrora | Why cant Debian ship Firefox? ( I have a stupid problem where Google Wave is saying I cant get in because I'm not using Firefox and Iceweasel has problems) |
| 16:47.58 | chellomere | !why iceweasel |
| 16:47.59 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. Ask me about <dfsg>. |
| 16:48.45 | Arrowmaster | googlewave lets my iceweasel 3.5 in |
| 16:48.52 | antii | thx, it worked :) |
| 16:48.58 | MAd_haTTer | hey guys, I have an old mb that apperently has a BIOS cap for HD size (250GB disks shows up as 136GB). Question is.. what happens if I try to install debian on it? will debian detect the full disk? can I just use it like it was acctually a 136GB disk (with out problems). The origional disk was 60GB and died.. costs like an extra 15 bux to move from 80GB to 250.. |
| 16:49.09 | valdyn | Indrora: what are you talking about? google wave has a dialogue where you only have to confirm that you want to go ahead even if you have an unknown browser |
| 16:49.11 | Indrora | Nonono but there's a lower argument I seem to have missed -- how can a logo -- a peice of SVG -- be considered nonfree? The Tux penguin is a registered trademark to Torvalds. |
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| 16:49.30 | Arrowmaster | and torvalds allows that to be used |
| 16:49.54 | valdyn | Indrora: and wave certainly doesnt say that you cant get in |
| 16:49.58 | Arrowmaster | mozilla said 'if you arent shipping exactly what we are you cant use our logo' |
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| 16:50.01 | nsadmin | "linux" is also registered |
| 16:50.12 | acidfreeze | could someone help me out. im trying to build 2.6.32. i keep getting kernel panics complaining it cant find file system,nforce chipset drivers |
| 16:50.16 | Indrora | Then why havent the Mozilla folks sent C&D letters to the people who make modded FF logos |
| 16:50.21 | d1b | Indrora: lol, it shouldn't |
| 16:50.22 | acidfreeze | i have the ext2 and ext2 built in, also i have nvidia sata support selected |
| 16:50.31 | acidfreeze | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown win-block(0,0) |
| 16:50.36 | themill | Indrora: you should address these questions to the Mozilla people -- they told Debian they couldn't ship Firefox. |
| 16:50.37 | valdyn | Indrora: this has already been discussed extensively, feel free to read on google |
| 16:50.46 | acidfreeze | could it be im not using a initrd image? |
| 16:50.57 | ngomes | MAd_haTTer: your bios have a limitation , debian wont do nothing about that |
| 16:51.33 | Indrora | valdyn, I have read about it via the debian gmane -- I still dont see how a logo cant be considered "open source" enough to be included. |
| 16:51.39 | MAd_haTTer | ngomes: so I can just "pretent" it is only a 136GB disk and install with out problems? |
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| 16:51.55 | valdyn | Indrora: theres a ton of logos in debian |
| 16:52.04 | valdyn | Indrora: probably 100000 |
| 16:52.07 | d1b | Indrora: you can go and download the official firefox if you want. |
| 16:52.09 | ngomes | MAd_haTTer: yes , rest of space is lost |
| 16:52.18 | MAd_haTTer | I do not *need* the extraspace, last HD failed, prod server.. |
| 16:52.23 | valdyn | Indrora: this has nothing to do with "open source" |
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| 16:52.35 | valdyn | Indrora: and also nothing to do with being a registered trademark or not |
| 16:52.39 | MAd_haTTer | ok, thx.. for the record I did check for a bios update.. |
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| 16:52.51 | valdyn | Indrora: copyright applies |
| 16:52.51 | Indrora | valdyn, IANAL, but the argument was that "because its trademarked its not open source." |
| 16:52.52 | nsadmin | Indrora: why do you ask? |
| 16:52.52 | ngomes | MAd_haTTer: maybe u could get a 120 GB hdd , and used , saving the 250 gb one for another machine |
| 16:52.59 | valdyn | Indrora: no that wasnt it |
| 16:53.37 | MAd_haTTer | its my *only* PATA box.. system has been down for a week.. I can spare a 100gb |
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| 16:53.48 | Indrora | nsadmin, a) I already have issues with the debian project (like not accepting what Ubuntu has in that "some stuff just isnt free) and b) it just makes no sense to me |
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| 16:53.54 | valdyn | Indrora: it was "you cant use our trademarks if you insist on the option to modify firefox" |
| 16:54.05 | ngomes | MAd_haTTer: then go ahead :) |
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| 16:54.15 | nsadmin | Indrora: how will you resolve your issues? |
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| 16:54.22 | valdyn | Indrora: being trademarked might be enforcing this easier for mozilla, but its not a significant point in this |
| 16:54.26 | Arrowmaster | ubuntu doesnt ship firefox either |
| 16:54.32 | d1b | Arrowmaster: yes they do |
| 16:54.37 | Indrora | Arrowmaster, yes they do. |
| 16:54.47 | Indrora | they ship the stable-latest out of FF official. |
| 16:54.49 | d1b | Indrora: seriously, just go and download the official firefox. |
| 16:54.51 | MAd_haTTer | thanks ngomes |
| 16:54.57 | ngomes | MAd_haTTer: np |
| 16:55.08 | Arrowmaster | oh they do? i know they announced they were renaming it like debian does |
| 16:55.24 | Arrowmaster | did they just stop patching it then? |
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| 16:55.42 | d1b | Arrowmaster: they work with mozilla i think. |
| 16:55.47 | themill | points towards #debian-offtopic |
| 16:56.06 | Indrora | Actually, its in Ubuntu Brainstorm |
| 16:56.29 | valdyn | either way debian has a binding policy, ubuntu doesnt, they can do wtf they want, debian cannot |
| 16:56.36 | d1b | Indrora: tis offtopic, and i already stated that it is trivial to go and download the official firefox. |
| 16:56.42 | Indrora | Fine. |
| 16:56.47 | themill | Indrora: this is a support channel not a general discussion channel for Debian. You and anyone else who wants to discuss this can head off to #debian-offtopic |
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| 16:56.57 | Indrora | themill, Thanks, i didnt know about that. |
| 16:57.28 | scratchme | d1b, well, if it makes any difference, it seems my desktop is about half another one locally. |
| 16:57.37 | scratchme | d1b, so I may troubleshoot more on that end. |
| 16:57.42 | d1b | right. |
| 16:57.43 | scratchme | d1b, and others, thx. |
| 16:57.44 | Indrora | Also, is there a way in the main installer to enable the backports repo automatically? I hate having to go out and dl the nvidia drivers by hand |
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| 16:58.13 | valdyn | judd: versions nvidia-glx |
| 16:58.13 | judd | valdyn: nvidia-glx -- etch/non-free: 1.0.8776-4 lenny/non-free: 173.14.09-5 squeeze/non-free: 173.14.09-5 sid/non-free: 190.42-3 |
| 16:58.17 | hark_ | Indrora: the nvidia drivers are not in backports |
| 16:58.17 | themill | Indrora: the nvidia drivers and bpo have nothing to do with each other |
| 16:58.25 | valdyn | i cant see nvidia drivers in backports at all |
| 16:58.42 | Indrora | I thought they were in backports/non-free because they're binary drivers. |
| 16:59.15 | nsadmin | they're not in backports at all, according to judd |
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| 16:59.49 | Arrowmaster | they probably should be in backports though unless theres a reason they arent compatible with stable |
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| 17:00.16 | Indrora | They're compatible with Stable, but unstable makes them go "FGSFDS" |
| 17:00.48 | themill | huh? |
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| 17:01.29 | themill | Arrowmaster: packages are normally only backported from testing to bpo; note that the version in testing and stable are the same. |
| 17:01.30 | nsadmin | finally going south for dismal swords? |
| 17:01.32 | Indrora | Sid wont boot with them. |
| 17:01.59 | Indrora | FGSFDS=>For God Sake Fsck Dis Ship |
| 17:03.02 | Arrowmaster | i know ive seen new kernel versions get to bpo before i get it from testing |
| 17:03.23 | themill | Arrowmaster: yeah, that's a pretty rare exception |
| 17:03.56 | Arrowmaster | but i dont think the nvidia stuff ever gets to testing except right before a new stable release it seems |
| 17:04.03 | Indrora | Sid just breaks when I try -- But it proabably has to do with the fact I have a 2x rebranded (Alienware BFG Nvidia) |
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| 17:04.32 | themill | Arrowmaster: yes, that's a typical pattern |
| 17:04.46 | Arrowmaster | im using squeeze kernel with sid nvidia packages |
| 17:05.01 | themill | yeah, that's required at present |
| 17:05.04 | fhd | Hi. I'm running Debian testing and I'd like to install two particular packages (mscore and mscore-common) from Debian unstable - can I do that with aptitude? |
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| 17:05.28 | Indrora | fhd, enable the sid repo, get the packages, disable sid repo. |
| 17:05.43 | fhd | Indrora: okay, I'll try that |
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| 17:05.51 | Arrowmaster | and dont let it upgrade anything else |
| 17:06.00 | Indrora | Yeah, dont let it upgrade anything else |
| 17:06.19 | Indrora | All Else Fails, download the deb's from the official sid repo and hand install them using Dpkg |
| 17:06.37 | nsadmin | fhd: you'd be better off building them from source |
| 17:06.53 | themill | fhd: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 17:07.03 | Arrowmaster | if he was on stable yeah, but hes on testing |
| 17:07.04 | themill | err..... "/msg dpkg ssb" that should be |
| 17:07.17 | themill | oh.. missed that.. ignore me |
| 17:07.48 | hark_ | Indrora: how will that help with the dependencies? |
| 17:08.02 | nsadmin | Arrowmaster: still better off... sid and testing aren't necessarily ABI-compatible, not all the time |
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| 17:08.32 | Arrowmaster | testing isnt even compatible with itself all the time |
| 17:08.44 | themill | judd versions mscore |
| 17:08.44 | judd | themill: mscore -- lenny: 0.9.2+dfsg-3 sid: 0.9.5+dfsg-1 squeeze: 0.9.5+dfsg-1 |
| 17:08.52 | themill | (it's the same version anyway....) |
| 17:08.57 | Indrora | hark, you can at least find the packages you need to upgrade after that because dpkg wont without dependancies. |
| 17:09.29 | hark | Indrora: have you looked at the dependencies? there's no way what you're saying will work |
| 17:09.37 | Arrowmaster | i finally figured out why dpms wasnt working, gnome-screensaver and gnome-power-manager in testing were from completely different versions of gnome until just recently |
| 17:09.53 | nsadmin | judd versions mscore-common |
| 17:09.53 | judd | nsadmin: mscore-common -- lenny: 0.9.2+dfsg-3 sid: 0.9.3+dfsg-1 squeeze: 0.9.4+dfsg-1 sid: 0.9.5+dfsg-1 squeeze: 0.9.5+dfsg-1 |
| 17:10.33 | nsadmin | there seems to be lotsa sid n squeezes |
| 17:11.25 | nsadmin | but the latest are the same, not only between sid and squeeze but between mscore-common and mscore |
| 17:11.28 | Indrora | hark, I've seen it work, I dont know the specifics on a package. |
| 17:11.30 | Arrowmaster | i only see one version listed in aptitude though |
| 17:11.47 | acidfreeze | anyone? |
| 17:11.51 | Arrowmaster | with both sid and squeeze sources, so judd is just a little behind |
| 17:11.54 | themill | nsadmin: some could be stuff-ups in UDD that judd suffers from, some are keeping arch:all packages around because there are some packages not available yet for some arch or other |
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| 17:12.01 | acidfreeze | could someone help me out. im trying to build 2.6.32. i keep getting kernel panics complaining it cant find file system,nforce chipset drivers |
| 17:12.11 | acidfreeze | i have the ext2 and ext2 built in, also i have nvidia sata support selected |
| 17:12.21 | acidfreeze | kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown win-block(0,0) |
| 17:12.29 | acidfreeze | i dont have to use a initrd image do i?> |
| 17:13.21 | nsadmin | acidfreeze: probably you do, and it's probably installed |
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| 17:13.34 | acidfreeze | its not.. it wouldnt go |
| 17:13.34 | themill | Arrowmaster: the package migrated from sid to squeeze 45minutes ago... I think judd's doing pretty well. |
| 17:14.14 | Arrowmaster | i only said a little behind |
| 17:14.47 | nsadmin | but it's not actually behind, or is it? |
| 17:14.48 | Arrowmaster | i dont expect it to be refreshing its package list everytime some asks it for info |
| 17:15.02 | nsadmin | oh, you mean like dpkg does? |
| 17:15.32 | themill | Arrowmaster: quite. that was the point of writing judd, in fact. |
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| 17:17.51 | acidfreeze | ok so when i do mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32 2.6.32-rc8 |
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| 17:18.09 | acidfreeze | i get no such file or directory |
| 17:19.16 | acidfreeze | is the 2.6.32-rc8 supposed to be my /lib/modules>>? |
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| 17:20.28 | acidfreeze | why do i even have to have the image. i built everything built in |
| 17:20.31 | acidfreeze | no modules |
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| 17:21.43 | nsadmin | acidfreeze oh, my mistake. you built everything in? |
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| 17:22.00 | acidfreeze | yea.. well atleast my filesystem support and sata drivers |
| 17:22.06 | SRabbelier | abrotman: ping |
| 17:22.44 | acidfreeze | with this new kernel they moved some stuff around.. i have nforce so i would select nvidia sata support right> |
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| 17:23.35 | acidfreeze | im just not sure what i am missing |
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| 17:23.58 | nsadmin | acidfreeze: you might want to lspci -nn and get the modules for each pciid |
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| 17:25.06 | acidfreeze | well i have mcp55 sata controller |
| 17:25.25 | nsadmin | show the lspci -nn line |
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| 17:26.50 | acidfreeze | http;//pastebin.com/m4441f0e0 |
| 17:27.03 | d1b | acidburn. |
| 17:27.10 | acidfreeze | sorruy |
| 17:27.20 | nsadmin | http://pastebin.com/m4441f0e0 |
| 17:27.27 | acidfreeze | its another machine |
| 17:27.52 | acidfreeze | i will ssh , and stop being lazy |
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| 17:28.26 | nsadmin | sata? or pata? |
| 17:28.31 | acidfreeze | sata |
| 17:28.57 | nsadmin | judd pciid 10de:037f |
| 17:29.00 | judd | nsadmin: [10de:037f] is 'MCP55 SATA Controller' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel modules 'sata_nv', 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:037f |
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| 17:30.05 | acidfreeze | i have that module built in |
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| 17:30.29 | acidfreeze | sata_nv =y |
| 17:30.37 | nsadmin | it's a possibility you need both |
| 17:30.44 | beerkid | Anyone know how I can shut off daemon web server permanently? |
| 17:30.52 | acidfreeze | nvidiafb? |
| 17:30.58 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 17:31.14 | nsadmin | doesn't make sense to me either, but what's judd on about |
| 17:31.23 | acidfreeze | i rather use the vesa userspace |
| 17:31.32 | themill | nvidiafb has some silly wildcard PCI-Id in it that matches all nvidia devices :( |
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| 17:31.43 | riot | ugh.. 1694 packages not upgraded :/ |
| 17:31.43 | beerkid | Someone told me to run netstat -anp to see what process is running it & my shell screen filled up with a bunch of jargon |
| 17:31.53 | acidfreeze | k if you guys say so |
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| 17:32.15 | riot | sid has been a busy place for the last quarter, eh? |
| 17:32.24 | nsadmin | cookiejargon?! |
| 17:32.33 | oh-hey | cookie jargon!! |
| 17:32.38 | riot | cookies! |
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| 17:33.26 | beerkid | been trying to figure this out but if anyone can help, it is much appreciated |
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| 17:34.24 | nsadmin | beerkid: well the thing is you would need to be able to read the output (or someone does) |
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| 17:34.39 | acidfreeze | all this to get my darn sound working.. which will most likely not work anyways |
| 17:34.53 | oh-hey | beerkid, youre just trying to shut down httpd? |
| 17:35.27 | acidfreeze | judd pciid 1102:0009 |
| 17:35.28 | judd | acidfreeze: [1102:0009] is '[SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG' from 'Creative Labs' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0009 |
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| 17:36.07 | kaduk | Hi |
| 17:36.15 | kaduk | can someone help me to configure acecad tablet? |
| 17:36.16 | beerkid | im not sure what httpd is. i installed lampp because that what im familiar with for a local server on windows. when i ran lampp, it wouldnt open because daemon web server is already running |
| 17:36.43 | oh-hey | what does the command /etc/init.d/httpd stop do |
| 17:36.48 | oh-hey | beerkid |
| 17:36.58 | themill | dpkg: tell beerkid about lamp |
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| 17:37.19 | themill | oh-hey: "bash: /etc/init.d/httpd: No such file or directory" at a guess... |
| 17:37.40 | themill | beerkid: you don't need some "lampp" thing -- all these packages are already in debian waiting for you to install them. |
| 17:37.51 | beerkid | yup the mill is right |
| 17:38.49 | nsadmin | also you should consider postgresql instead of mysql (but they you'd have lappp) |
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| 17:39.07 | beerkid | so there is something like xampp on windows that i can work with through a web interface? |
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| 17:39.19 | themill | nsadmin: and you'd probably have to rewrite the software to use pg not mysql... |
| 17:39.27 | beerkid | trying to avoid working through command lines |
| 17:39.52 | nsadmin | beerkid: you should embrace your inner command line :) |
| 17:39.54 | kaduk | thanka a lot ;/ |
| 17:39.55 | acidfreeze | man still didnt work |
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| 17:39.58 | acidfreeze | errr.. |
| 17:40.05 | acidfreeze | makes no sense |
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| 17:40.42 | beerkid | eh, im short for time unfortunately. learning command lines can come down the road |
| 17:40.57 | oh-hey | :/ |
| 17:41.11 | beerkid | so what package do i look for that is similar to xampp/lampp? |
| 17:41.20 | rgr | nsadmin: why do you recommend postgresql over mysql? |
| 17:41.31 | beerkid | where i can use phpmyadmin, etc through web interface? |
| 17:41.49 | rgr | beerkid: you dont. search using synaptic. its a bunch of packages. |
| 17:42.19 | themill | beerkid: read what the dpkg bot told you about 5 minutes ago |
| 17:42.28 | nsadmin | rgr: it has standard features meant for the database designer guy/gal to build stability into the database |
| 17:42.39 | rgr | like what? |
| 17:42.50 | nsadmin | constraints, transactions |
| 17:43.01 | rgr | I ask because I use mysql and its come along well. It all depends IF people need those features. |
| 17:43.03 | nsadmin | stored procs |
| 17:43.10 | themill | nsadmin: they're available in mysql too, it's just that no-one uses them.... |
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| 17:43.34 | rgr | and thats bull. mysql has transactions. |
| 17:43.49 | nsadmin | rgr: you never need them... until your database gets corrupted... |
| 17:43.56 | \amethyst | ... if you use the right backend in mysql |
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| 17:44.15 | rgr | nsadmin: I know a bit about DBs. And mysql is fine. |
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| 17:45.25 | rgr | \amethyst: possibly. The point is that half the things used against mysql is simply not true. Innodb is ACID compliant last time I looked. |
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| 17:45.35 | nsadmin | plus pg has outer joins and is just now getting the facilities to do the equiv of oracle's connect by |
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| 17:45.41 | matthiasb | I'm back with problems configuring a preseed debian installer. |
| 17:45.57 | matthiasb | I've downloaded boot.img.gz from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ and used the command zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda |
| 17:46.17 | rgr | nsadmin: sure, sure. But not everyone is building a distributed corporate database that needs to by Oracle compliant. |
| 17:46.23 | matthiasb | Is that the right way so far? |
| 17:47.08 | nsadmin | rgr: my original statement still stands: he "should consider" it |
| 17:47.12 | \amethyst | rgr: these days, starting around 4.1, mysql has gotten a lot of missing features that Postgres has had, and Postgres has gotten a lot of speed improvements... so they're nowhere near as different as they used to be |
| 17:47.26 | rgr | \amethyst: I know. Thats my point. |
| 17:47.34 | matthiasb | Now i've problems with the guide at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetworkConsole section "How to create a CD or USB image that enables network-console" |
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| 17:48.17 | rgr | \amethyst: the other point which is important, and I know from experience, is that mySQL support from users is generally far easier to find than for potgresql. |
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| 17:48.35 | DelphiWorld | hi dear all |
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| 17:48.44 | DelphiWorld | any telnet server package to use for telnet unstid of ssh? |
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| 17:49.03 | tablet | Hi |
| 17:49.06 | matthiasb | This guide says I should edit a file i should not edit, which is quite confusing. |
| 17:49.11 | tablet | please any help with making my tablet to work? |
| 17:49.18 | matthiasb | And i should edit another file which is non-existant. |
| 17:49.18 | nsadmin | there might be telnetd but telnet is NOT recommended (for security reasons) |
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| 17:49.43 | tablet | mouse moves |
| 17:49.47 | tablet | but clicks does not work |
| 17:49.55 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: ok is installed. how do i enable it? |
| 17:50.03 | TGD17 | Hello, I need help getting my audio working please. |
| 17:50.30 | nsadmin | DelphiWorld: it's enabled. but again, telnet server is NOT recommended. |
| 17:50.54 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: yeah i know, but is en exception;) only for accessibility |
| 17:51.07 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: and i think is not started because i can't access it |
| 17:51.19 | nsadmin | try telnet localhost |
| 17:51.22 | acidfreeze | well it still didnt work..here is a screenshot of panic http://www.undervision.info/media/panic.jpg |
| 17:51.55 | TGD17 | hey nsadmin, I got it working :D |
| 17:51.56 | \amethyst | For those who are thinking about using one or the other, http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/MySQL_vs_PostgreSQL has a good, fairly unbiased, summary of the differences between the two DBMSs |
| 17:51.59 | oh-hey | get eip on it and send me the core. i'll analyze it |
| 17:52.29 | TGD17 | if you would not mind helping me out with my current audio issues I will be on my way |
| 17:52.58 | beerkid | I'm looking through http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp but fear I will be stuck using command line going forward if i use this |
| 17:53.12 | nsadmin | TGD17: ask the question. specific informative concise complete. |
| 17:53.25 | Arrowmaster | if you fear the command line then you probably shouldnt be using linux to run a server |
| 17:53.26 | nsadmin | someone will help if they can |
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| 17:54.14 | TGD17 | My audio is not working & I am wondering why. I installed Alsa with synaptic & tried with Aptitude before that. I unmuted the channels on alsamixer too. I am not sure where to go from here. |
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| 17:54.19 | beerkid | Arrowmaster: But as far as I can tell I'm only one step away from running "lampp" if i can just figure out how to permanently turn off daemon |
| 17:54.38 | beerkid | I thought the system would run more effectively on linux than windows since it's old |
| 17:54.48 | cahoot | TGD17: run speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
| 17:54.56 | acidfreeze | nsadmin: did u see screeny? |
| 17:55.19 | acidfreeze | it seems like ethier filesystem or sata controller but both are built in |
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| 17:55.30 | acidfreeze | http://www.undervision.info/media/panic.jpg |
| 17:55.34 | nsadmin | acidfreeze: it's the same as before tho, can't open root fs? |
| 17:55.41 | themill | beerkid: debian has a reputation for security and stability -- you only get those benefits if you actually use debian's packages and not some other "lampp" thing. |
| 17:55.41 | acidfreeze | yea |
| 17:55.45 | Arrowmaster | beerkid: if that was your reasoning then you probably shouldnt have even installed a GUI and be managing the server remotely with ssh |
| 17:55.51 | TGD17 | ok, did that |
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| 17:56.05 | cahoot | TGD17: and? error? |
| 17:56.09 | TGD17 | says 0-front left |
| 17:56.12 | TGD17 | 1-front right |
| 17:56.35 | oh-hey | any dudes in here from the harrisburg area? |
| 17:56.40 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: ok, working but root is not accepted, why? |
| 17:56.49 | cahoot | TGD17: run /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 (as root) then speaker-test again |
| 17:57.02 | nsadmin | DelphiWorld: you want to telnet in as root?! |
| 17:57.10 | DelphiWorld | nsadmin: yeah |
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| 17:57.39 | Arrowmaster | i hope thats a private network with only two hosts |
| 17:57.46 | nsadmin | find the config file and edit it |
| 17:57.51 | AimHere | Please don't telnet in as root. Download a packet sniffer and watch yourself doing it to see why |
| 17:57.57 | SRabbelier | I'm wanting to install Windows next to my Debian install, will I be able to use the Ubuntu 9.10 live cd to restore grub 2 (as per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#Reinstalling GRUB 2), I'd assume it doesn't matter whether I'd use Debians or Ubuntu's 'update-grub' and 'grub-install' ? |
| 17:57.59 | nsadmin | I'm -not- supporting this |
| 17:58.25 | TGD17 | ok did that, now im running the speak test |
| 17:58.38 | jelly-hme | DelphiWorld: why do you require this setup? Is the machine going to be connected to internet? |
| 17:59.01 | TGD17 | Got it ! |
| 17:59.08 | TGD17 | nsadmin >>>> life |
| 17:59.20 | TGD17 | front -> left -front>right :D |
| 17:59.26 | TGD17 | working thank you so very much sir |
| 17:59.47 | nsadmin | I just requested you to ask the question... |
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| 18:00.21 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: and it made it work! It's a christmas miracle. |
| 18:00.36 | nsadmin | bah humbug |
| 18:00.50 | SRabbelier | nsadmin: careful, you'll get scrooged! :P |
| 18:00.59 | oh-hey | cookie jargon!! |
| 18:01.09 | beerkid | themill: I'm unclear as to whether the lamp package will allow me to use a web interface, that's all. If not, I'd rather go the xampp/lampp route despite what it does to machine stability which im guessing wouldnt be much..i hope |
| 18:01.31 | themill | beerkid: "use a web interface" to do what, exactly? |
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| 18:02.00 | beerkid | mostly for phpmyadmin |
| 18:02.13 | themill | beerkid: so install the "phpymyadmin" package... |
| 18:02.18 | beerkid | when working with tables, would probably take a while to learn sql |
| 18:02.21 | beerkid | oh there is one? |
| 18:02.27 | themill | dpkg: tell beerkid about search |
| 18:03.05 | beerkid | i've searched for some packages before. mostly ones that would allow me to play videos but i dont think my system has the hardware for it. |
| 18:03.11 | nsadmin | beerkid: google for "sql for web nerds" |
| 18:03.34 | Arrowmaster | there is no 'lamp' package |
| 18:03.36 | nsadmin | while it's oracle based, most of the stuff is transferrable to some degree |
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| 18:06.00 | contrains | Hello again. :) Having an issue with hald now. I've been on Google looking around, but haven't found anything that helps yet. |
| 18:07.08 | contrains | The other day when I updated my system, (I'm guessing hald was updated) it would hang for a while and then eventually when it finished (timed out, perhaps?) and X started, the mouse and keyboard didn't work. |
| 18:07.27 | contrains | Google helped me with that one, by telling me to use killall hald ; dpkg --configure --pending ; |
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| 18:07.38 | contrains | and that worked, but now this morning I updated again and it's having the same issue |
| 18:07.51 | contrains | except that this time hald isn't running, and dpkg --configure shows hald as configured already |
| 18:07.58 | contrains | Debian squeeze |
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| 18:09.10 | doubleclick | does anyone uses conkeror browser? i can't make it remember my passwords in lenny... |
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| 18:10.51 | doubleclick | this is my .conkerorrc -- http://paste.debian.net/53819/ |
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| 18:11.47 | oh-hey | im able to see your passwords in there |
| 18:12.16 | doubleclick | oh-hey: ? |
| 18:12.45 | contrains | I didn't look, but I'm guessing he means that you just gave us all of your passwords... |
| 18:13.08 | doubleclick | no i didn't |
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| 18:14.01 | contrains | blinks, "You're right." |
| 18:14.08 | contrains | I guess that isn't what he meant then -- nevermind. |
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| 18:16.31 | AimHere | Oh well. In that case, back to sniffing DelphiWorld's network for his root password ;) |
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| 18:17.42 | cusco | he meant signongs.txt |
| 18:19.14 | beerkid | ok im going to uninstall lampp. rm -rf /opt/lampp should work according to instructions but shell doesnt show anything happening. |
| 18:19.38 | beerkid | and i did find and install phpmyadmin package, thanks |
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| 18:21.11 | niko_ | ciao |
| 18:21.17 | niko_ | !list |
| 18:21.17 | dpkg | niko_: VATTENE VIA |
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| 18:22.57 | nsadmin | !factinfo list |
| 18:22.57 | dpkg | list -- created by za <~za@62.252.236.75> at Wed Aug 14 22:34:06 2002 (2676 days); last modified at Wed Mar 25 18:10:36 2009 by stew!i=1413@freenode/staff/stew; it has been requested 1086 times, last by niko_, 1m 40s ago. |
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| 18:26.09 | ansu | hii, what shud i use to track fan speed and temperature statistics . Please suggest a method for monitoring it. |
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| 18:28.54 | matthiasb|clone | Hi, i need some help with my preseed installer. I've downloaded a small image for a usb stick and edited txt.cfg syslinux.cfg preseed.cfg and prompt.cfg but when i boot from it, the screens goes red and tells me he can't find an iso to install. |
| 18:29.38 | matthiasb | I don't want him to look for an iso file, i want him to install over network, why doesn't he do that? |
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| 18:30.27 | Arrowmaster | the usb images are ment for you to copy the netinst iso onto them |
| 18:30.34 | ansu | u shud be having a .conf fike stating it, i guess |
| 18:31.36 | matthiasb | Like the debian-503-i386-netinst.iso file? |
| 18:31.42 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 18:31.49 | beerkid | arrrg. why is it asing me to put in the debian install cd when trying to install mysql? |
| 18:32.03 | beerkid | asking* |
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| 18:32.11 | beerkid | "Media change" |
| 18:32.12 | \amethyst | beerkid: your /etc/apt/sources.list still has the CD listed |
| 18:32.17 | ansu | check ur repository |
| 18:32.18 | matthiasb | Thanks, I'll try that and come back later. |
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| 18:32.49 | beerkid | so i should lookup how to de-list the cd |
| 18:33.01 | ansu | put a # |
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| 18:33.11 | \amethyst | beerkid: you just need to edit that file (as root) and put a # at the beginning of the cdrom lines |
| 18:33.21 | \amethyst | beerkid: then run apt-get update |
| 18:33.33 | Arrowmaster | the installer should have done that automtically though |
| 18:34.04 | \amethyst | Arrowmaster: does it? I haven't installed from a non-netinst source in some time |
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| 18:34.12 | Beezie | hi. fresh install of lenny 64. no network access. lspci sees my ethernet device. |
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| 18:34.34 | beerkid | how do i safely terminate the install process? |
| 18:34.35 | \amethyst | Beezie: does ifconfig -a list it? |
| 18:34.36 | mario__ | Hello! |
| 18:34.42 | beerkid | and do what amethyst says? |
| 18:34.50 | Beezie | \amethyst, command not found. unless i su root. |
| 18:34.50 | mario__ | does squeeze not come with a 2.6.30 xen kernel? |
| 18:34.51 | Arrowmaster | i think, i usually use a netinst iso, but its a cd (well it shows up as a cd to the installer) |
| 18:35.00 | mario__ | i need a xen kernel >= 2.6.28 |
| 18:35.07 | Beezie | \amethyst, ifconfig -a lists the adapter(as root) |
| 18:35.08 | \amethyst | Beezie: yes, as root |
| 18:35.15 | \amethyst | Beezie: as eth0? |
| 18:35.18 | Beezie | yes |
| 18:35.42 | \amethyst | Beezie: does it show up without -a ? |
| 18:35.54 | Beezie | no only lo does |
| 18:36.11 | \amethyst | Beezie: do you have an eth0 stanza in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 18:36.27 | ansu | edit /etc/network/interfaces and add auto eth0, ifdown eth0 , ifup eth0 |
| 18:36.28 | Beezie | no just auto lo and iface lo inet loopback |
| 18:36.50 | Beezie | ok ansu |
| 18:36.53 | \amethyst | Beezie: auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 18:37.06 | \amethyst | Beezie: then run ifup eth0 as ansu says |
| 18:37.08 | Beezie | seperate lines, \amethyst |
| 18:37.14 | Beezie | ? |
| 18:37.16 | \amethyst | Beezie: yes |
| 18:37.31 | ansu | no commas, seperate lines |
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| 18:37.43 | \amethyst | Beezie: this is assuming your network has DHCP of course |
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| 18:38.07 | Beezie | \amethyst, yeah, it was workin in ubuntu last nite |
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| 18:38.20 | sassynat | hi all |
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| 18:38.25 | ansu | hii |
| 18:38.29 | sassynat | anyone manage to do ip mutlicast routing? |
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| 18:38.33 | sassynat | on debian? |
| 18:39.18 | Beezie | \amethyst and ansu thanks. i spent 2.5h on this last nite. google pointed me to 3 year old pages |
| 18:39.23 | Beezie | it works. |
| 18:39.35 | ansu | Np |
| 18:39.41 | \amethyst | yay |
| 18:39.42 | Beezie | is it ok to add wicd to debian? im not ready for shell oriented network mods yet. |
| 18:40.09 | beerkid | wow this sucks, i managed to find the cd but it wont do anything now |
| 18:40.23 | beerkid | can i install mysql through a synaptic package? |
| 18:40.27 | ansu | Did u apt-get update |
| 18:40.30 | \amethyst | beerkid: yes |
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| 18:40.51 | \amethyst | beerkid: or from the command line: aptitude install mysql-server |
| 18:41.05 | Beezie | ansu, no this is literally a stock install from cd1 |
| 18:41.09 | \amethyst | beerkid: (once you have finished installation and booted to the installed machine, that is) |
| 18:41.12 | oh-hey | which userland process controls the runlevels in a linux environment? |
| 18:41.38 | Beezie | ansu, i ran that, now is it ok to aptitude install wicd ? |
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| 18:41.57 | beerkid | i have cd in right now with the line that says please inset install disc and press enter. i press enter and it just brings up the disc folder |
| 18:42.03 | cahoot | Beezie: why do you question that? |
| 18:42.06 | \amethyst | oh-hey: typically /sbin/init from sysvinit, though some distributions use something different like upstart |
| 18:42.10 | ansu | Beezie, no i was askin beerkid. My bad |
| 18:42.23 | cahoot | Beezie: of course it is |
| 18:42.31 | AimHere | beerkid, Is it mounted? |
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| 18:42.39 | oh-hey | nice one \amethyst!! that was a test |
| 18:42.41 | oh-hey | nice!!! |
| 18:42.44 | Beezie | cahoot, lets just say i had a downright headspin experience with debian 1st time around and am apprehensive on what you consider obvious :) |
| 18:42.46 | AimHere | beerkid, forget I asked |
| 18:42.50 | beerkid | i put in aptitude install mysql-server and it just brings up the install disc line again |
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| 18:43.09 | cahoot | Beezie: using aptitude |
| 18:43.25 | ansu | Beerkid, did u apt-get update |
| 18:43.30 | Beezie | yeah, just did aptitude install wicd....it failed cant find package name.. |
| 18:43.38 | beerkid | i think i need to terminate the process and start over |
| 18:44.05 | beerkid | apt-get update just brings up the install disc line again |
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| 18:44.56 | beerkid | I think I just need to kill this install process and maybe try through synaptic? |
| 18:45.15 | cahoot | Beezie: wicd is in main so should be installable without any extra tricks - run aptitude update |
| 18:45.33 | cahoot | Beezie: err - might it's not there in lenny |
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| 18:46.07 | Beezie | cahoot, so now what? also is synaptic(gui) not loaded by default? |
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| 18:46.16 | goose | I think I locked myself out of root... my root password is disabled, and I just changed the only other sudo user to my other username, but it didn't seem to work |
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| 18:46.53 | cahoot | Beezie: possibly wicd is installable from backports - /msg dpkg bpo |
| 18:47.43 | Beezie | cahoot, i dont understand that command |
| 18:48.01 | Beezie | i might just go back to 32 bit land.. im not even close to ready to tackle 64bit |
| 18:48.54 | contrains | reboots to try working on hald some more |
| 18:49.12 | contrains | put a bunch of echo $LINENO's into /etc/init.d/hal |
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| 18:49.21 | \amethyst | !i forgot root password |
| 18:49.38 | \amethyst | !forgot root password |
| 18:49.38 | dpkg | 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 18:49.42 | \amethyst | goose: ^^^ |
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| 18:55.39 | Beezie | is 32 bit lenny as picky about the basic neccesities as 64 bit is? for ex: getting eth0 working was tedious, trying to install wicd is tedious, installing xchat is over my head. is going to 32 bit going to make my 1st use of debian easier? |
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| 18:56.24 | goose | \amethyst: no way to fix it without any down time? |
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| 18:56.40 | \amethyst | goose: find some daemon running as root that has a security hole? |
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| 18:57.33 | beerkid | im still stuck here |
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| 18:57.40 | ansu | Beezie, i run 32bit, the wifi setting and wicd will be same effort. |
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| 18:58.09 | beerkid | I run # apt-get update and the cdrom0 window pops up and no files show |
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| 18:58.12 | beerkid | but they showed before |
| 18:58.18 | Beezie | ansu, i hate to say this in your channel but ive little choie but to go back to ubuntu... |
| 18:58.52 | Beezie | ansu, i dont even need wifi, my hassle was eth0 :P |
| 18:59.01 | goose | \amethyst: I should mention it's a VPS, I don't have physical access to the machine :/ |
| 18:59.14 | \amethyst | goose: oh... |
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| 18:59.36 | ansu | beezie, turn back and see, eth0 was such a small work. U will be used to it |
| 18:59.37 | beerkid | ok i see the iso file now in the directory |
| 18:59.42 | beerkid | do i click on it/ |
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| 19:00.07 | goose | \amethyst: yeah...lol |
| 19:00.11 | \amethyst | goose: you may have just screwed yourself then |
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| 19:00.24 | goose | \amethyst: guess I'll have to submit a trouble ticket then? |
| 19:00.27 | \amethyst | goose: in the future, always leave a root terminal open while you test sudoers changes |
| 19:00.33 | \amethyst | goose: yes |
| 19:00.38 | goose | thanks \amethyst |
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| 19:01.40 | beerkid | amethyst: I pressed enter and i now have all these cdrom folders showing. Now what? |
| 19:02.05 | beerkid | The install directions doesnt tell me what to do. |
| 19:02.16 | Beezie | so i learned that NO deb files are in sources.list as default? is this true for debian in general? |
| 19:03.55 | ranix | Beezie: that's right, deb files do not go in sources.list |
| 19:03.55 | ansu | Beezie, the thing is afaik , debian doesnt promote non-free by default. u can add repository to /etc/apt/sources.list. This shud help |
| 19:04.03 | beerkid | amethyst - I went back to the line where you said sources.list still contains cdrom |
| 19:04.06 | ranix | Beezie: sources.list has URLs to repositories |
| 19:04.09 | beerkid | Do I just remove these lines? |
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| 19:04.44 | ranix | beerkid: I do remove it, myself |
| 19:04.53 | beerkid | so that it just says # deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main? |
| 19:05.04 | ranix | beerkid: I also like to add the contrib and non-free repositories after "main" on that line |
| 19:05.47 | beerkid | how do I do that? is there a tutorial or something I can Google? |
| 19:05.55 | rgr | beerkid: use synaptic to change the sources if you are not comfirtable. |
| 19:06.08 | ranix | !tell beerkid -about sources.list |
| 19:06.18 | beerkid | I do see "main contrib" on the end of the last two lines |
| 19:06.21 | ranix | there's nothing to be uncomfortable about |
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| 19:06.43 | rgr | ranix: dont be so silly. one is a click in a checkbox and the other is editing as root. |
| 19:07.03 | rgr | and beerkid is clearly not experienced. |
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| 19:07.38 | ranix | rgr: if he continues to usse click-and-pray configuration methods, he never will be |
| 19:07.53 | daltio | guys |
| 19:07.54 | ranix | synaptic is garbage |
| 19:08.00 | daltio | i was asking some free open sourrce s/w for website Vulnerability checking |
| 19:08.06 | daltio | is there any freeware |
| 19:08.08 | rgr | dont talk nonsense. It all comes in time. He wnats to get his system set up , not get lectured on CLI leetness. |
| 19:08.23 | rgr | and synaptic does a good job. |
| 19:08.30 | beerkid | hah, clearly inexperienced. So do I need to kill this process and then go to synaptic or can I just do the synaptic thing now? |
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| 19:08.44 | rgr | what process? |
| 19:08.54 | beerkid | is in the middle of installing mysql i think |
| 19:08.59 | ranix | if he thinks editing a file is "CLI leetness" he is in for a rude awakening the next time he needs to configure something |
| 19:09.00 | rgr | leave it running. |
| 19:09.10 | rgr | it shouldnt take more than about 10 seconds though. |
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| 19:09.41 | beerkid | unable to get exclusive lock |
| 19:09.47 | rgr | ranix: oh for goodness sake. he is trying to install SW easily not get lectured on your dislike for GUIs. Give us a break. |
| 19:09.59 | ranix | rgr: you're teaching a new user to fear the command line |
| 19:10.02 | beerkid | another package management app is running |
| 19:10.07 | rgr | ranix: rubbish, |
| 19:10.13 | ranix | rgr: editing sources.list is one step underneath "tying shoelaces" on the evolutionary ladder |
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| 19:10.21 | jel | Why does bridge-utils break my eth0 routing by default? |
| 19:10.21 | rgr | beerkid: wait until the install has finished. |
| 19:10.22 | Beezie | debian aint so bad once one gets past the issues not seen in ubuntu :P |
| 19:10.26 | ranix | beerkid: open a console and do sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:10.32 | ranix | beerkid: you don't need synaptic |
| 19:10.33 | rgr | ranix: please stop being a complete arse. |
| 19:10.50 | ranix | rgr: please stop being a troll. you've been causing trouble in here for over a month |
| 19:11.00 | ranix | don't mess with new users |
| 19:11.06 | beerkid | oh god can someone break the tie please |
| 19:11.12 | Beezie | us new users need all the help we can get :) |
| 19:11.34 | rgr | ranix: In that I disagree with smart alecs making a new users life more difficult because of your adversity to guis. Synaptic is there for a reason to help new users. One step at a time, |
| 19:11.51 | Beezie | exactly. |
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| 19:12.03 | Beezie | you seasoned folks dont realize how daunting debian can be |
| 19:12.04 | rgr | beerkid: open synaptic, preferences, repositories. It could not be easier. ranix is a troll and a hazard to your system. |
| 19:12.13 | ranix | rgr: let me repeat myself: "EDITING A FILE on the command line is one step beneath 'tying shoelaces' on the evolutionary ladder" |
| 19:12.18 | rgr | Beezie: thank you for the vote of confidence. |
| 19:12.19 | jel | ranix: nice to hear that in here. I've been here for a decade or more on and off, and the usual norm was for n00bs to be assaulted for asking (albeit sometimes lazy) questions. |
| 19:12.23 | ranix | rgr: if ANYONE has a problem with doing that they should not be using Debian |
| 19:12.24 | rgr | ranix: please stop trolling. |
| 19:12.48 | goose | \amethyst: sorry to bug you again, but "su root", would that work, even with "passwd -l root" previously enabled? |
| 19:12.49 | ranix | I am not trolling. Stop teaching new users to fear nano for Christ sake |
| 19:12.58 | rgr | ranix: the thing you forget is that edtiing a file IS easy. BUT if he makes a mistake he can possibly corrupt the file. |
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| 19:13.19 | ranix | I have infinite patience when you're just arguing with themill over something retarded and it's just you |
| 19:13.25 | ranix | you go on for half hours at a time |
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| 19:13.34 | rgr | nano sucks arse for a start. I use emacs. He is better using gedit or something IF he is a new user. Please stop thinking your hard line way is the only way. |
| 19:13.35 | ranix | but you are scerewing with actual users here |
| 19:13.45 | ranix | confine your trolling to non-newbies |
| 19:13.49 | jel | <-- recommends a hexeditor |
| 19:14.15 | matthiasb | I'm back and: Thanks, that preseeded ssh installer on usb works on my blind notebook. |
| 19:14.17 | rgr | ranix: please look at what I recommended. That is not screwing with anyone. |
| 19:14.56 | Beezie | you two need to kiss and make up :P |
| 19:15.18 | rgr | Anyway beerkid to get you going the easiest way to use the checkboxes in synaptic. You can worry about editing sources to list at a later date. It is really easy. There are also other files to worry about other than sources.list which synaptic also mofifies. |
| 19:15.29 | ranix | rgr: rgr you insructed someone to do something more complicated and then it didn't work because he's using synaptic for something else now |
| 19:15.53 | ranix | rgr: if you had simply shut up his sources.list would be fixed and he'd know how it works |
| 19:16.26 | jel | the cd /etc/apt/sources.list.d && wget http://.... method is nice |
| 19:16.36 | rgr | lol |
| 19:17.20 | gauge | has anyone here used Debian to benchmark their systems permormance-per-watt ratio? |
| 19:17.28 | Beezie | beerkid, its a hump you will get over. just get over that hump when you are ready. |
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| 19:18.35 | rgr | Precisely. On that subject though, synaptic is one of the better GUI tools in Debian - but the search could be a bit faster and more comprehensive. But then you can go to apt-cache when you become more confident. |
| 19:19.21 | Beezie | does debian have a way to detect hardware the way ubuntu does? I ask becuase i have an nvidia. thx |
| 19:19.41 | beerkid | Alright, rgr. I'm just going to go with you here since I'm afraid of corrupting anything (no offense, ranix). How do I shut off this process so I can access Synaptic? |
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| 19:20.10 | rgr | what is the process doing? |
| 19:20.19 | beerkid | im installing mysql |
| 19:20.27 | rgr | what is it doing? What process? |
| 19:20.33 | beerkid | its stuck at trying to read the cd |
| 19:20.38 | rgr | kill it. |
| 19:20.44 | Arrowmaster | its stuck asking him to put in a cd |
| 19:20.49 | rgr | exit the shell |
| 19:20.55 | beerkid | thats it? |
| 19:21.10 | rgr | bring up synaptic and browse aorund for your options. learn by doing. |
| 19:21.15 | beerkid | no top -p and try to get pidof and enter kill #### |
| 19:21.22 | rgr | what about C-c ? |
| 19:21.44 | beerkid | ok im just going to close the shell window |
| 19:21.53 | rgr | how are you installing it? apt-get install? |
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| 19:22.14 | beerkid | # aptitude install mysql-server mysql-client |
| 19:22.20 | rgr | then C-c |
| 19:22.22 | rgr | exit |
| 19:22.53 | beerkid | I type that in the window? It keeps making the cd run |
| 19:23.06 | beerkid | everytime I press enter |
| 19:23.09 | MAd_haTTer | beerkid: 'aptitude clean && aptitude update && aptitute install mysql-server-5.0 |
| 19:23.19 | rgr | MAd_haTTer: please. |
| 19:23.24 | Arrowmaster | C-c means ctrl-c |
| 19:23.32 | beerkid | oh |
| 19:23.33 | rgr | Thanks Arrowmaster |
| 19:23.43 | beerkid | hah |
| 19:23.49 | beerkid | its closed now |
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| 19:23.57 | MAd_haTTer | rgr: please is right, he was asking about this like an hour ago.. |
| 19:24.05 | rgr | so when stopped, exit and then examine your options with synaptic. |
| 19:24.22 | rgr | MAd_haTTer: yes. But he was stuckw with cdrom repo lines. |
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| 19:24.42 | beerkid | when you say options what should I be looking at? |
| 19:24.55 | rgr | try looking for yourself for a start. |
| 19:25.15 | rgr | (btw I had cdrom lines and it didnt freeze on them) |
| 19:25.39 | Beezie | does debian have a way to detect hardware the way ubuntu does? I ask becuase i have an nvidia. even a howto url would help. thx |
| 19:25.46 | rgr | beerkid: settings ... |
| 19:26.13 | rgr | Beezie: there is a dedicated wiki |
| 19:26.18 | Beezie | ahh |
| 19:26.38 | Arrowmaster | !nvidia |
| 19:26.39 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 19:26.54 | rgr | also a one liner here for each version. |
| 19:26.59 | beerkid | got it i think |
| 19:27.05 | rgr | ,dpkg nvidia squeeze |
| 19:27.06 | beerkid | settings repositiories |
| 19:27.23 | beerkid | uncheck cdrom |
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| 19:27.52 | rgr | beerkid: now when you are working you might be interested to see sources.list after the gui has done its thing and then, as ranix said, you might prefer to edit it by hand. |
| 19:28.20 | beerkid | ok |
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| 19:28.44 | Beezie | rgr, http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers step 0(haha) says "Make sure APT has non-free and contrib sources" great. where? |
| 19:29.20 | beerkid | so anything that is unchecked in GUI has a # in front of it in the file |
| 19:29.59 | rgr | beerkid: you are learning ... but that is of no interest to your task at hand. now click "reload". |
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| 19:30.09 | Arrowmaster | Beezie: that just means make sure sources.list has 'main contrib non-free' in it |
| 19:30.15 | Arrowmaster | instead of just 'main' |
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| 19:30.59 | Beezie | k brb |
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| 19:31.02 | rgr | then find mysql-server (NOT mysql-server-5.0) if you want latest release. |
| 19:31.44 | jel | beerkid: yes, many linux (and unix, and other) configuration files use # for comments. When reading the file, the programs will get to # and ignore everything after, until a new line starts. Some files use other comment markers, like ; or // |
| 19:31.58 | beerkid | i clicked reload |
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| 19:32.12 | rgr | good, now you're good to go. Have fun. |
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| 19:32.29 | Lollercaust^ | Hi, I am not sure where to go for help but I am having trouble using PPTPd on Debian Lenny. I get the following errors: ttp://pastebin.com/m1fd3b3b8 |
| 19:32.32 | Lollercaust^ | http://pastebin.com/m1fd3b3b8 * |
| 19:33.09 | beerkid | couldnt lock list directory |
| 19:33.13 | beerkid | ..are you root? |
| 19:33.29 | beerkid | ahh damn nevermind. i know what i need to do |
| 19:33.46 | rgr | what????????? |
| 19:33.52 | rgr | how did you start synaptic? |
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| 19:34.12 | rgr | if it was from command like then you must "sudo synaptic" |
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| 19:35.03 | beerkid | theres a broken file for some reason. i think it was there before. im re-installing linux-image which should fix it. |
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| 19:40.15 | rgr | oh no. what is broken? |
| 19:40.46 | rgr | do not reinstall linux for some trivial breakage. that would be ludicrous. |
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| 19:41.38 | jel | rgr: did someone mention ludicrous speed? |
| 19:41.38 | EvilGuru_ | What is the best way to get Eclipse 3.5 on a Debian Squeeze system? The testing/stable repos are quite outdated. |
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| 19:42.11 | jel | EvilGenius: you could try installing the ubuntu packages, but your best bet is probably to just install the tarball |
| 19:42.32 | EvilGuru_ | jel: I was afraid of that |
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| 19:44.19 | EvilGuru_ | Is there a technical reason why it has not been packaged yet? |
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| 19:45.27 | rgr | EvilGuru_: no technical reason. What about pulling in from unstable? Is is there? |
| 19:45.48 | EvilGuru_ | rgr: Nope, nor is it floating about in experimental |
| 19:45.57 | rgr | then as jel said. |
| 19:46.07 | rgr | personalyl I stay away from Ubuntu .debs |
| 19:46.31 | EvilGuru_ | Does seem a bit dirty, yet so does random tarballs |
| 19:46.42 | rgr | random tarballs? |
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| 19:46.54 | beerkid | I types aptitude install php5 php5-mysql libapache20mod-php5 instead of libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 19:47.08 | beerkid | How do I uninstall php and then try typing that line again? |
| 19:47.12 | EvilGuru_ | rgr: The eclipse packages for the eclipse website |
| 19:47.28 | beerkid | rm -rf php5 or something like that? |
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| 19:48.01 | jel | rm -rf / solves a multitude of problems :) [but really, don't try it] |
| 19:48.09 | AbizzalsX | beerkid: don't listen to jel :P |
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| 19:48.13 | AbizzalsX | you want the purge option |
| 19:48.17 | AbizzalsX | instead of install |
| 19:48.38 | beerkid | go on? |
| 19:49.04 | AbizzalsX | Commands: |
| 19:49.04 | AbizzalsX | ... install - Install new packages (pkg is libc6 not libc6.deb) remove - Remove packages |
| 19:49.07 | AbizzalsX | ... source - Download source archives |
| 19:49.27 | MAd_haTTer | anyone have any guidance on making an encrypted lvm with custom paritions? I make a few paritions (manually) the "guided" option does not really suit my needs.. It looks like I can make the partitions as I want them but I am not sure if it is going to ask me for a passphrase for warch patrition.. this will also be for a server.. |
| 19:49.33 | beerkid | so i do aptitude purge instead of aptitude install |
| 19:49.38 | AbizzalsX | yes |
| 19:49.47 | beerkid | aptitude purge php5 |
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| 19:50.49 | pg1054 | Any fuse/sshfs users here? I need to pass an (open)ssh "-F {config_file}" option to an sshfs/fuse automount in /etc/fstab. unclear on the syntax -- i.e., where in the following stanza do I correctly *put* the opt? |
| 19:50.51 | pg1054 | sshfs#guest@guest.login.com:data /mnt/guest fuse uid=1003,gid=100,umask=0,allow_other 0 0 |
| 19:51.57 | rgr | beerkid: why didnt you use synaptic? |
| 19:52.36 | rgr | click, right click, mark for complete removal. |
| 19:52.58 | Xenguy | rgr: aptitude is a perfectly good tool |
| 19:53.10 | jel | pg1054: it would be part of the options field (where uid=,gid=, etc are), but you'll need to find the correct syntax for that options field; -F won't work |
| 19:53.11 | rgr | yes it is. |
| 19:53.29 | CodeNinja | I'm having problems figuring out why only one of 3 users can ssh into the server.... I copied my key to another users ssh authorized_keys, but I cannot ssh into their accounts either |
| 19:53.44 | rgr | but since he was already in synaptic and familiarising with himself one step at a time. But fine. I use aptitude myself. |
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| 19:54.23 | jel | CodeNinja: AllowUsers in the sshd server config? |
| 19:54.35 | jmarsden | CodeNinja: use ssh -v in case the verbosity give you clues, and also check permissions on the files involved. |
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| 19:54.43 | CodeNinja | jel: let me check.... they were working fine too.... |
| 19:54.46 | CodeNinja | jmarsden: will do |
| 19:54.56 | ojo | Hey everyone, I tried the entire lot on the internet but I just can't make firefox and azureus download these magnet links |
| 19:55.03 | rgr | jmarsden: good advice. permissions on those files frequently scupper people. |
| 19:55.14 | jel | ojo: that's a lot |
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| 19:55.27 | ojo | jel: indeed :p |
| 19:55.29 | CodeNinja | jmarsden: it output everything I expected, and then at the end it says 'connection closed by <ip>' |
| 19:55.42 | ojo | jel: any experience with the problem? |
| 19:55.55 | jmarsden | CodeNinja: Do you have access on the remote server to read its logs, especially /var/log/auth.log ? |
| 19:56.11 | CodeNinja | yes, I'll look into it, I didn't see anything earlier |
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| 19:56.34 | CodeNinja | jmarsden: yeah... it doesn't look like its getting that far |
| 19:57.06 | jel | ojo: works for me on windows. Never did it on linux, but either the Applications tab in prefs/options, or about:config should help |
| 19:57.55 | jmarsden | CodeNinja: Could you pastebin the ssh -v command output somewhere? |
| 19:57.59 | CodeNinja | jmarsden: it drops out at: debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey). <- this line is not shown with the user that can access ssh currently, instead is shown connection closed by '<ip>' |
| 19:58.02 | CodeNinja | suer |
| 19:58.11 | CodeNinja | I'll paste both working and not working |
| 19:58.16 | ojo | jel: the applications tab doesn't give me torrent or magnet and I configurerd the about:config like they want me on the fora... but It still say's: don't have an application for opening magnet links |
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| 19:59.30 | pg1054 | jel You're right, "-F" doesn't work ... I just haven't stumbled on what does yet. Tried "...,F={config file},..." too -- looked viable -- but no luck with the mount. Still digging :-/ |
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| 20:00.10 | jel | pg1054: try man sshfs or man mount.sshfs (or something similar) |
| 20:00.34 | CodeNinja | jmarsden: http://pastie.org/740605 the first one does the same from another host as well as my own |
| 20:01.46 | rgr | unbelievable! I only just found the info that I had to add thinkpad-acpi to /etc/modules on my x30 machine. Finally now suspend and hibernate work!!!!!! Yee ha. Wonderful. |
| 20:01.50 | jel | pg1054: you probably want something more like the options FROM the config file: user=x,host=y,port=n or something |
| 20:02.01 | AbizzalsX | Anyone know how to load firwmare during the install process manually? |
| 20:02.07 | AbizzalsX | The automatic detection facility is failing. |
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| 20:04.55 | pg1054 | jel "just" fuse option like that works. but i *do* need the opt to specify the location of the SSH config file TO the fuse mount. I know it's doable -- man page SAYS it's an available opt, and that simply spec'ing "F=..." in the fuse opts should work. But so far, no dice. Somy silly syntax issue, I'm betting. But docs are sketchy, so it's hunt-n-peck atm. |
| 20:05.12 | jmarsden | CodeNinja: Looks like the server just denies you access... brb phone... |
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| 20:07.58 | xaashi | hi any one familiar with "live-helper", i keep getting "/usr/bin/env: update-initramfs No such file or directory" when running "lh build" |
| 20:08.03 | xaashi | thanks in advance |
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| 20:09.42 | jmarsden | CodeNinja: I'm not sure... the usual culprit would be permissions on /home /home/whoever /home/whoever/.ssh or /home/whoever/.ssh/authorized_keys |
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| 20:10.00 | jmarsden | CodeNinja: Maybe also check for a final end of line in the authorized_keys file ? |
| 20:10.18 | CodeNinja | will do, brb |
| 20:11.01 | CodeNinja | jmarsden: /home/user permissions should be 750 or 755 correct? |
| 20:11.26 | jmarsden | CodeNinja: Or 0700 if you are paranoid like me :) |
| 20:11.30 | CodeNinja | indeed |
| 20:12.33 | CodeNinja | .ssh/ is 700 |
| 20:12.53 | CodeNinja | .ssh/authorized_keys are 600 user:user |
| 20:13.43 | dustybin | sniffs jmarsden packets |
| 20:13.46 | Supertanker | Which lightweight window manager would you recommend for a Debian box on a weak hardware system? LXDE is nice (I like openbox), but I seem to remember OpenBox having a nicer menu when one right-clicks on the desktop, sort of a-la XFCE |
| 20:13.57 | jmarsden | CodeNinja: Seems sane to me. And nothing in the logs... that's odd. |
| 20:14.07 | jmarsden | dustybin: Do they smell nice :) |
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| 20:14.57 | CodeNinja | hm, hold on I need to clean up my home folder.... >.> some how there are other users dirs in there |
| 20:16.02 | jmarsden | CodeNinja: While you do that, I'm rebooting into a new kernel here... back soon... |
| 20:16.07 | CodeNinja | sure |
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| 20:19.51 | CodeNinja | I still cant find anything that would do this |
| 20:20.02 | Dassu | :( |
| 20:20.04 | CodeNinja | perhaps I should kill all of the keys and try again ??? |
| 20:21.13 | jmarsden | CodeNinja: Sure, rename the authorized_keys file out the way and create a new one, you mean? |
| 20:21.30 | CodeNinja | jmarsden: pretty much |
| 20:22.02 | jmarsden | Try it, can't hurt. if there are other working keys in there, don't forget to add them back later or someone will be unable to get in to the system... |
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| 20:29.32 | blixkater | any issues if going from lenny to sqeeze using guides like http://www.computerbob.com/wp/im-using-debian-squeeze-now.php at.al., except backup, lately ? |
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| 20:30.28 | bzed | blixkater: squeeze is not stable, you may run into every kind of breakage |
| 20:31.18 | blixkater | I know, I did the same etch -> lenny few months before the freeze. I was just wondering if there are any showstoppers known right now |
| 20:31.21 | CodeNinja | jmarsden: I think I found the problem.... the user was not in pam or similar.. |
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| 20:32.18 | CodeNinja | success! |
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| 20:43.35 | pyrophelia | what problems will I run into if I don't partition disks before I create raids? I want mdadm to use the entire disk so can I skip the partition step or will I run into serious problems if I do? |
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| 20:44.41 | JPT | hm |
| 20:44.54 | JPT | afaik, any raid stuff is one level under the partition level |
| 20:45.05 | JPT | so just create the raid and create partitions on it |
| 20:45.09 | JPT | that should work |
| 20:45.22 | cast | why would you create partitions on raid? |
| 20:45.51 | JPT | isn't a raid just a virtual HDD that is created out of more real hdds? :D |
| 20:46.01 | JPT | raid0, raid1,... |
| 20:46.25 | KiloBravoEight | no |
| 20:46.43 | pyrophelia | well I was wondering because after I synced a raid6 I realized I didn't create an partions. but the sync went through fine so I'm not sure what to think |
| 20:46.44 | KiloBravoEight | hit wikipedia, and read up on RAID a bit |
| 20:46.57 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: I think what you are proposing is possible, main issue is that it is not "conventional" so if your RAID breaks, getting help fixing it may be difficult. |
| 20:47.31 | pyrophelia | I know its possible because I have 1 running |
| 20:47.53 | pyrophelia | I'm just not sure what will happen if I ever have to reshape it |
| 20:48.10 | cast | JPT: question remains, why use partitions? |
| 20:48.32 | JPT | i think of a raid as a virtual hdd that still needs partitions with a filesystem on it |
| 20:48.51 | cast | partitions suck, use LVM |
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| 20:49.33 | jmarsden | cast: If you ever remove a drive and put it into another machine (for recovery, say) you will see the partition table including a large partition of the relevant type... if you do without a partition table, it's easy to be confused and think the drive contains no useful data ... |
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| 20:50.14 | jmarsden | So IMO it'd be "safer" to be conventional and put a partition table on each drive. |
| 20:50.15 | pyrophelia | cast: I'm going to be putting 2 raid 6s in an encrypted lvm. r u saying I can skip the partiton table? |
| 20:51.25 | pyrophelia | jmarsden: ill do that I think. that will require me to resync the raids again right? |
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| 20:51.48 | cast | you can do whatever you feel like. |
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| 20:52.11 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: Yes, I think you'll be starting over if you do that. |
| 20:52.26 | TGD17 | How do you change the desktop background |
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| 20:52.54 | pyrophelia | well nothing is on them yet so I'm not worried about losing anything. I just want the best possible setup |
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| 20:54.59 | xbaez | hi someone can help me telling me how can remove nvidia-glx |
| 20:56.07 | Stereo | xbaez: aptitude purge nvidia-glx maybe? |
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| 20:58.36 | xbaez | Stereo, thanks but still show me this error rm: cannot remove /usr/lib/libGL.so: no such file or directory |
| 20:59.05 | cast | oh dear, GNOME leadership fail. |
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| 21:12.35 | Beezie | hi |
| 21:12.45 | Dassu | Hello homie TrueDD |
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| 21:21.26 | abrotman | SRabbelier: hi? |
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| 21:23.49 | SRabbelier | abrotman: tried the supergrub thing, but it wouldn't boot into Debian sadly |
| 21:24.13 | abrotman | SRabbelier: oh come on .. i've used it to boot vista .. i'm sure it can boot debian |
| 21:25.02 | rgr | xbaez: did you install from the nvidia-installer? |
| 21:25.17 | xbaez | rgr, yes |
| 21:25.43 | rgr | then you're hosed pretty much. It's trial and error. Try to reinstall using the "debian way". |
| 21:26.41 | SRabbelier | abrotman: iunno :P, I tried different versions too, none of them worked :P |
| 21:26.52 | SRabbelier | abrotman: perhaps it didn't like grub2, *shrugs* |
| 21:27.07 | abrotman | SRabbelier: i thought it used grub2 |
| 21:27.19 | SRabbelier | abrotman: perhaps it uses it but can't deal with it? |
| 21:27.42 | abrotman | makes perfect sense |
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| 21:27.51 | abrotman | did you ask #grub ? |
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| 21:29.05 | SRabbelier | abrotman: nope, am using a Ubuntu live cd now to chroot into the partition and run 'update-grub && install-grub' from there |
| 21:29.14 | abrotman | ok |
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| 21:32.12 | creichen | Hi! My sid/amd64, after the latest update, has a broken latex. ptex fails with `ptex: free(): invalid pointer.' Googling for it I found nothing; is this a known issue? Might this be some weird local problem? |
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| 21:34.12 | abrotman | did you check the BTS? |
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| 21:40.26 | blast_hardcheese | Woo!! |
| 21:40.37 | blast_hardcheese | 56.5% done rebuilding my RAID5! |
| 21:40.52 | blast_hardcheese | only been going for 2.5 days so far |
| 21:41.12 | rvalles | . . . |
| 21:41.27 | blast_hardcheese | \o/ |
| 21:41.40 | purpleoptic | nice |
| 21:41.44 | rvalles | that's some huge/slow raid you have :) |
| 21:42.14 | sepult | wth |
| 21:42.14 | blast_hardcheese | rvalles: Well, this is not being performed in the most ideal of circumstances. |
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| 21:42.30 | jmarsden | RAID5 over 3.5in floppies? :) |
| 21:42.45 | sepult | c-repl is a ruby-script ??? |
| 21:43.20 | sepult | whereas it'ssource tells's me it should be haskell ? |
| 21:43.20 | blast_hardcheese | Well, I've got 7 500GB drives, mixed ATA and SATA, |
| 21:43.44 | blast_hardcheese | and I'm trying to rebuild a degraded RAID from a netbooted debian-live system |
| 21:44.27 | tuxcrafter | hi all is there some what is my ip (external) for the cli |
| 21:44.37 | creichen | abrotman: It's not listed in the bug tracker, no. And it's a fatal installation issue in texlive-bin, so someone else should have noticed by now if it were a common issue. |
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| 21:45.04 | blast_hardcheese | tuxcrafter: curl http://whatismyip.org/ |
| 21:45.05 | blast_hardcheese | blam |
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| 21:48.49 | pyrophelia | can somebody explain what reserved blocks do when formatting drives? the man says it prevents fragmenting, but online sources have led me to believe that its kinda pointless if the drive isn't linked to /var /tmp etc. if I'm just going to use the disk as a network storage system do I need reserved blocks? |
| 21:49.09 | abrotman | they're reserved for root |
| 21:49.29 | abrotman | creichen: maybe the package just hit sid in the last pulse |
| 21:49.46 | pyrophelia | yes I know that, but if the drive is going to mounted for just network files do I need them? |
| 21:50.20 | abrotman | that's up to you .. you can also change it to 1% |
| 21:51.24 | pyrophelia | well what about the line in the man that says it prevents fragmentation. I thought even with super blocks the drive is going to fragment |
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| 21:52.22 | pyrophelia | if that's the case I wouldn't mind it, less overhead. but how effective is it? |
| 21:53.14 | pyrophelia | I don't think I've ever formatted a disk without superblocks so I'm curious as to how it will perform |
| 21:53.39 | creichen | abrotman: Rebooting seems to have fixed the issue. It's possible that a libc upgrade some time earlier confused something else... either way I don't have to debug it, so I'll just cheer at everything working now. ;-) |
| 21:54.15 | creichen | Ah. Spoken too quickly-- same issue as before. |
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| 21:54.30 | pyrophelia | shot urself in the foot did u? |
| 21:54.39 | cast | urself? |
| 21:54.42 | cast | !u |
| 21:54.42 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 21:55.32 | pyrophelia | I'm using irc from my phones cramped little keyboard. the I have to type the less my thumbs hurt |
| 21:55.40 | Seth_Hikaru | Hey I have ftpd-ssl installed. How do I use it? |
| 21:55.54 | pyrophelia | the less I have to type* |
| 21:56.23 | pyrophelia | use sftp instead |
| 21:56.34 | Seth_Hikaru | i need a sever |
| 21:56.57 | pyrophelia | sftp works just fine |
| 21:57.15 | Seth_Hikaru | does it work as a server? |
| 21:57.21 | pyrophelia | yes |
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| 21:57.38 | Seth_Hikaru | is it even have a amd64 release? |
| 21:57.40 | pyrophelia | sudo apt-get install ssh |
| 21:57.43 | Seth_Hikaru | does* |
| 21:57.55 | Seth_Hikaru | ssh? |
| 21:58.00 | abrotman | 1) use aptitude 2) not everyone has sudo configured |
| 21:58.16 | Seth_Hikaru | i thought we were talking about sftp not ssh |
| 21:58.17 | pyrophelia | su |
| 21:58.30 | iceroot | Seth_Hikaru: sftp == ssh |
| 21:58.38 | pyrophelia | sftp uses ssh to transfer files |
| 21:58.43 | iceroot | Seth_Hikaru: coming with openssh-server |
| 21:58.46 | Seth_Hikaru | ok |
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| 21:59.01 | pyrophelia | much safer than ftp |
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| 21:59.48 | Vorbote | Seth_Hikaru: bare sftp can be very frustrating. Try using lftp as shell for connections. |
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| 22:00.48 | Vorbote | Seth_Hikaru, or your file manager (nautilus and konqueror can do sftp. The latter can do fish as well.) |
| 22:00.53 | pyrophelia | most clients navigate sftp fine, although it can be a pain to navigate on a cli |
| 22:01.04 | pyrophelia | handle* |
| 22:01.11 | tuxcrafter | hi all i am wondering if ip 0/0 is the same as 0.0.0.0 or default like in this context: ip route add 0/0 via 10.232.1.1 table uplink2 |
| 22:01.13 | pyrophelia | damn this tiny keyboard |
| 22:01.15 | tuxcrafter | Error: an inet prefix is expected rather than "0/0" |
| 22:01.17 | tuxcrafter | #? ip route add 0.0.0.0 via 10.232.1.1 table uplink2 |
| 22:01.28 | tuxcrafter | hi all i am wondering if ip 0/0 is the same as 0.0.0.0 or default like in this context: http://debian.pastebin.com/d11638ed5 |
| 22:01.38 | Seth_Hikaru | what is rssh? |
| 22:01.53 | iceroot | Seth_Hikaru: you mean rsh? |
| 22:02.02 | Seth_Hikaru | no rssh |
| 22:02.31 | iceroot | hm, never heard of rssh |
| 22:02.54 | cast | Description: Restricted shell allowing only scp, sftp, cvs, rsync and/or rdist |
| 22:02.57 | Seth_Hikaru | Suggested packages:rssh |
| 22:03.09 | cast | sounds like a tricky idea |
| 22:03.16 | Seth_Hikaru | ok i dont want it then |
| 22:03.25 | Seth_Hikaru | what about ssh-askpass? |
| 22:03.28 | xingu | cast: it was written by a unicorn |
| 22:03.49 | Seth_Hikaru | xingu i can believe |
| 22:04.06 | Seth_Hikaru | that* |
| 22:04.43 | Vorbote | tuxcrafter: Yes and no. It depends on the network stack. The CIDR ("classless") network spec expects you to feed the stack with full network masks, thus 0.0.0.0/0 means the whole IPv4 range. Some bastardized stacks may accept 0/0 as a shortcut. I'm thinking windows here. |
| 22:05.28 | xingu | 0/0 is as legitimate as 0.0.0.0 - 1/ it's cidr notation 2/ it's a uint32 regardless of how you phrase it |
| 22:06.04 | Seth_Hikaru | ok seriosuly i need an ftp server that is simple to use |
| 22:06.13 | Seth_Hikaru | with advanced options also |
| 22:06.13 | tuxcrafter | so 0/0 is legit as 0.0.0.0/0 or 0.0.0.0 |
| 22:06.16 | tuxcrafter | ? |
| 22:06.18 | Vorbote | xingu, as I said it depends on the network stack. Linux's stack, believe it or not, is one of the most RFC compliant ones out there. |
| 22:06.27 | tuxcrafter | i use linux only |
| 22:06.45 | Seth_Hikaru | i use amiga only |
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| 22:06.55 | Seth_Hikaru | I joke. |
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| 22:07.24 | tuxcrafter | and 0.0.0.0 is also the same to indigate the default gateway right? |
| 22:07.27 | Vorbote | In fact FreeBSD will barf at you if you don use full network masks. As seen in GNU/kFreeBSD :-) |
| 22:08.01 | amriedle | hey guys i just installed debian on a local machine and its hanging after boot .. waiting for the root file system... |
| 22:08.04 | tuxcrafter | si 'ip route add 0.0.0.0 via 10.232.1.1 table uplink2' is the same as 'ip route add default via 10.232.1.1 table uplink2' |
| 22:08.19 | tuxcrafter | s/si/so/ |
| 22:08.32 | tuxcrafter | that was a question btw :)\ |
| 22:08.32 | Vorbote | tuxcrafter, yes. |
| 22:08.59 | tuxcrafter | Vorbote: thanks just wanted to be sure |
| 22:09.38 | amriedle | anyone know how to get around the issue of the USB taking /dev/hda on install and making fail on initial run ? |
| 22:09.52 | Vorbote | tuxcrafter, networking is a dark art, takes time to master the craft in a tux. :-P |
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| 22:11.42 | tuxcrafter | Vorbote: tell me about it :D |
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| 22:11.55 | tuxcrafter | just spent 1 hour reading the manpage of ip |
| 22:12.51 | tuxcrafter | i am trying to get a system with mulitple external internet connections working and accesable trough all those connection |
| 22:12.57 | tuxcrafter | but without any load ballancing |
| 22:13.21 | tuxcrafter | but currently i have some routing issues |
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| 22:13.58 | tuxcrafter | i can mark and direct packets to diffrent outgoing intefaces |
| 22:14.20 | tuxcrafter | but somehow i can't normaly ping |
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| 22:14.28 | tuxcrafter | or create telnet connection |
| 22:14.41 | tuxcrafter | internet works ok and all those stuff |
| 22:14.54 | tuxcrafter | but i am still reading reading and reading |
| 22:16.03 | Vorbote | tuxcrafter, methinks you need to cheat. I'd suggest Firewall Builder or shorewall |
| 22:16.18 | Hideo | !lartc |
| 22:16.18 | dpkg | lartc is probably Linux Advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ See also <wondershaper>. |
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| 22:17.55 | Vorbote | After reading the LARTC of course. :-) |
| 22:18.34 | amriedle | oh hell im blind, grube set the drive to hdb6 instead of hda5 lol |
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| 22:35.04 | jhutchins | Vorbote: I don't know for sure, but I don't think either FB or Shore will do distribution. |
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| 22:38.19 | Vorbote | jhutchins, sorry for the delay. If by distribution you mean creating the ruleset and uploading to remote boxes, yes both can. In fact FWB has an integrated ftp/ssh client for uploads. |
| 22:39.20 | Vorbote | uses FWB because he is extremely lazy. :-) |
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| 22:40.32 | plus | To what package does the utility tunctl belong? |
| 22:41.17 | \amethyst | plus: apt-file search tunctl => uml-utilities |
| 22:41.43 | plus | amee2k: thanks, didn't know about apt-file search |
| 22:41.45 | plus | err |
| 22:41.47 | plus | \amethyst: rather |
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| 22:50.29 | shiro_ | Hi, I was wondering why fdisk asks for a partition number, it shouldn't matter since I run newfs/mkfs after. I don't know much about filesystem, please enlight me. |
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| 22:51.51 | shiro_ | Does the FSTYPE matters when mounting a device ? mkfs won't set the right value ? I don't understand. |
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| 22:52.33 | shiro_ | It's like calling a text file with .txt, if it's .eqr you can still read it... |
| 22:52.36 | cast | i dont think that matters |
| 22:53.04 | SnapRing | Can someone help me?.. my /etc/hosts does not seem to direct properly |
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| 22:54.54 | shiro_ | cast: hum, I think you're right (see 6.7.3 http://apollo.lsc.vsc.edu/metadmin/references/sag/x1139.html) |
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| 22:55.11 | galileo_ | high all |
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| 22:57.12 | SnapRing | shouldn't the Hosts file direct even with ports set to ip address... this is LAN |
| 22:58.15 | cast | hosts is just to resolve host names |
| 22:58.45 | SnapRing | I c that it grabs apache but not citadel on port 8504... |
| 22:59.27 | SnapRing | I guess I can point apache to citadel... then that would resolve that .. it is just for a home server anyhow |
| 22:59.48 | cast | see* |
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| 23:00.45 | sepult | wtf, c-repl does not allow me to #include anything, even when i |
| 23:00.45 | sepult | put the corresp. header into the dir i ran it from, or to the |
| 23:00.45 | sepult | temp/c-repl-blah dir.... |
| 23:00.52 | sepult | is this a known bug ? |
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| 23:04.10 | galileo_ | could someone helpme |
| 23:04.26 | abrotman | you didn't ask a question |
| 23:06.13 | Hideo | technically, he did, and he also used up his 1 question quota |
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| 23:34.23 | roe | has anyone had any success importing photos from an iphone? |
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| 23:35.02 | punisher | hi |
| 23:36.06 | punisher | do you know wy I lost the serial driver if it works Ok after the boot for 3 or 4 days? cat /proc/interrupts 4: 12792 0 Phys-irq-level |
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| 23:39.15 | TheBigDirtyEmu | Anyone know why rtorrent might not be automatically adding torrent files? |
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| 23:40.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | Quick question I am used to doing ALT+F2 and then "gksudo nautilus". What is the way to do this in pure Debian? Is it just "su" in a terminal, exit terminal and then ALT+F2 and then just "nautilus"? |
| 23:40.42 | qwd | LinuxGuy2009: gksu |
| 23:41.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | qwd: K great thank you. |
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| 23:41.32 | qwd | TheBigDirtyEmu: did you make sure your rtorrent.rc is correct? |
| 23:41.49 | TheBigDirtyEmu | qwd: Yup, doubled checked all the paths |
| 23:42.15 | qwd | TheBigDirtyEmu: did you restart rtorrent? |
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| 23:44.55 | TheBigDirtyEmu | qwd: I'll just do that now |
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| 23:47.35 | TheBigDirtyEmu | qwd: Nope, thats not worked |
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