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| 00:14.08 | SuperMiguel | whats a good C compiler that i can run the prgram in the same screen like Dev-C++ for windows |
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| 00:25.43 | lontra | hi i see googleearth-package here --> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/googleearth-package ... but apt-cache search googleearth-package shows nothing |
| 00:25.52 | lontra | <and yes i have contrib> |
| 00:26.23 | jnewt | #openvpn |
| 00:26.30 | beardy | Do you run squeeze? |
| 00:26.38 | lontra | beardy: me? yes |
| 00:27.09 | lontra | deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 00:27.16 | lontra | ^^^ /etc/apt/sourrces.lst |
| 00:27.20 | lontra | err ... sources |
| 00:27.21 | beardy | lontra: apt-cache search searches the description, not the package name, afaik, so try 'apt-cache search google'? |
| 00:27.38 | lontra | beardy: i did try that |
| 00:27.41 | beardy | lontra: Or just look it up in aptitude. |
| 00:28.00 | beardy | lontra: Ok. I don't run any sqeeze system so can't check. |
| 00:28.02 | lontra | beardy: looked it up in synaptic too |
| 00:28.14 | lontra | seems strange ... |
| 00:28.40 | beardy | lontra: How new is the package, is your mirror up to date? |
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| 00:29.53 | lontra | beardy: yeah i'm up to date |
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| 00:30.23 | beardy | lontra: Is http://debian.osuosl.org/debian/ I meant. |
| 00:30.26 | beardy | lontra: But ok. |
| 00:32.07 | lontra | i'm going to switch to a primary mirror and see if that makes a difference |
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| 00:44.34 | pyrophelia | I'm trying extend the size of a logical volume in lvm2 to all available free space in the volume group. the man says the command should be lvextend - %FREE /dev/foo/bar but iget an error saying %Free is an invalid argument. what am I doing wrong? |
| 00:45.15 | pyrophelia | sorry I typed lvextend -l %FREE /dev/foo/bar |
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| 00:49.33 | kozzy911 | ололо |
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| 00:51.31 | jmarsden | !ru |
| 00:51.31 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:53.37 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: How many %FREE is missing from your command, I think... read the man page again more carefully? |
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| 00:55.48 | pyrophelia | jmarsden: I don't understand, I have to specify the exact ammount? I read that think it would allocate all free space |
| 00:56.01 | pyrophelia | s/think/thinking |
| 00:56.11 | jmarsden | %FREE means a percentage of free space. If you want all of it that would be 100%FREE (I think) |
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| 00:56.31 | pyrophelia | thought I tried that |
| 00:56.38 | pyrophelia | 1 sec |
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| 00:57.42 | pyrophelia | ah, I did %100FREE |
| 00:57.44 | freeone3000 | I've set up a password in /etc/exim/passwd.client for my mail server. The username and password are correct, I've tested with swaks. However, on attempting to send mail through exim, it says that authentication is required. What's the issue? |
| 00:57.47 | pyrophelia | ty |
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| 00:58.16 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: You're welcome. |
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| 00:59.37 | pyrophelia | not to be rude but I c u here a lot. r u part of the dev team or just like to help out? and please forgive the shorthand. I'm using my cellphones keyboard. |
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| 01:00.19 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: I just like to help; I've been doing network and sysadmin stuff professionally for over 20 years... |
| 01:01.31 | abrotman | gives jmarsden an AARP card |
| 01:01.53 | pyrophelia | :) |
| 01:02.16 | jmarsden | accepts :) |
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| 01:02.57 | SuperMiguel | how do i install JRE in debian? |
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| 01:04.14 | jmarsden | SuperMiguel: Which JRE do you have in mind? |
| 01:04.38 | SuperMiguel | jmarsden, not sure i want to run eclipse.. not sure which one i need :( |
| 01:05.06 | dvs | SuperMiguel: then why not just install eclipse? |
| 01:05.18 | jpinx-eeepc | SuperMiguel: I had to install JRE recently - it was a pita:( |
| 01:05.24 | SuperMiguel | dvs, dont i need to install JRE first? |
| 01:05.54 | dvs | SuperMiguel: aptitude will install one for you when you install eclipse |
| 01:06.05 | jmarsden | That's what I was just checking... |
| 01:06.17 | freeone3000 | It will install gcj. That's not a JRE. |
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| 01:06.56 | jpinx-eeepc | SuperMiguel: aptitude install sun-java6-jre |
| 01:07.05 | SuperMiguel | i get this message : GCJ has been detected as the current Java virtual machine. Use of GCJ is untested and unsupported. Please consult the documentation for more information. |
| 01:07.06 | freeone3000 | You likely want sun's VM, which would be openjdk-6-jdk. |
| 01:07.13 | jnewt | what system library would contain the fopen function? i have an error on openvpn saying i don't have fopen installed. |
| 01:07.21 | jmarsden | jpinx-eeepc: Um... at least use openjdk ... |
| 01:07.34 | dvs | freeone3000: no, sun's is sun-java6-jre |
| 01:07.49 | jpinx-eeepc | SuperMiguel: be perpared to sign the licence;) |
| 01:08.06 | jpinx-eeepc | jmarsden: 'cos it doesn't work ;) |
| 01:08.16 | freeone3000 | dvs: Same thing, slightly different license. |
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| 01:08.50 | freeone3000 | dvs: Oh, and it doesn't include freetype due to licensing restrictions. Either way, the code's the same and the packages are the same. |
| 01:09.27 | SuperMiguel | i ran aptitude install sun-java6-jre and still getting GCJ has been detected as the current Java virtual machine. Use of GCJ is untested and unsupported. Please consult the documentation for more information. |
| 01:09.40 | freeone3000 | SuperMiguel: update-alternatives java |
| 01:09.46 | jpinx-eeepc | SuperMiguel: try version 5 ? |
| 01:09.55 | dvs | update-java-alternatives |
| 01:10.09 | jpinx-eeepc | !jre |
| 01:10.09 | dpkg | [java] a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun has released most of its Java implementation under the GPL as <openjdk>. There are other implementations packaged for Debian, Sun's JRE/JDK is in <non-free> (for i386, amd64 only). Ask me about <install java>. See also <java alternatives>. http://wiki.debian.org/Java ##java on irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:10.26 | freeone3000 | *update-alternatives --config java |
| 01:10.35 | freeone3000 | (update-java-alternatives isn't found here.) |
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| 01:11.11 | SuperMiguel | k that worked |
| 01:11.11 | dvs | freeone3000: that only updates the java exec, not javac and all the other binaries |
| 01:12.06 | freeone3000 | Ooh. And that'd be bad, especially since Eclipse runs its own compiler and that'll never be found until he has a problem due to the IDE. |
| 01:13.19 | freeone3000 | I'll stop attempting to answer questions and go back to messing with exim |
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| 01:14.19 | jpinx-eeepc | ah yea - I'd forgotten about the hiccups I had with alternatives :/ |
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| 01:23.55 | MAd_haTTer | Hey I have not lost my mind have I ?? I burned lenny IA64 for a Core 2 Duo, but it will not boot of the cd.. |
| 01:24.08 | freeone3000 | I have an issue with exim4 on debian. I'm attempting to use a smarthost relay (gmail). While I have /etc/exim4/passwd.client with "stmp.gmail.com:email:password", and sending a test message through swaks works, sending a test message through exim doesn't even attempt authentication. What's the issue? |
| 01:24.20 | freeone3000 | MAd_haTTer: A Core 2 Duo is x64, but not IA. You want regular x64. |
| 01:25.03 | MAd_haTTer | really? wtf is IA64 then..? I thought that was just for Intels 64bit cpus.. like AMD64 is for amd.. |
| 01:25.06 | freeone3000 | IA64 refers to the Itanium series of processors. The instruction sets are not compatible. |
| 01:25.14 | MAd_haTTer | OHHHHHHHHH! |
| 01:25.15 | MAd_haTTer | thanks |
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| 01:25.25 | freeone3000 | AMD64 and Core 2 Duo, however, are. |
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| 01:26.39 | MAd_haTTer | ok thanks.. I'd help if I could but I use postfix |
| 01:27.19 | abrotman | !ports |
| 01:27.19 | dpkg | well, ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc |
| 01:27.25 | abrotman | try reading |
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| 01:29.48 | freeone3000 | I don't see how a list of registered ports helps. |
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| 01:30.03 | freeone3000 | Oh. The first one, in reference to his question. |
| 01:30.30 | MAd_haTTer | funny thing abrotman .. |
| 01:30.51 | abrotman | you not reading? |
| 01:31.02 | MAd_haTTer | If I had not spoke up, I would not have gotten a, the answer, b, a link to more in depth understanding |
| 01:31.21 | lmaowaffle | hi guys, I've noticed that aptitude now shows obsolete packages: xulrunner-1.9 and libmozjs1d for Squeeze after update. Is this because they've been pulled from the repo for wahtever reason? Will it be safe to remove them.. ie will they affect curretnly installed packages? I'm guessing firefox depends on it |
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| 01:33.08 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: you could have gone to the website and actually looked, or tried reading the IA64 or AMD64 installation guide, both would have given you a slight clue |
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| 01:33.24 | abrotman | lmaowaffle: newer version of iceweasel |
| 01:33.43 | lmaowaffle | abrotman: that don't depend on these packages anymore? |
| 01:33.50 | lmaowaffle | why weren't they marked for removal? |
| 01:33.57 | lmaowaffle | (I'm only tracking squeeze) |
| 01:34.02 | abrotman | you're not using iceweasel ? |
| 01:34.06 | lmaowaffle | I am |
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| 01:36.03 | abrotman | lmaowaffle: aptitude install iceweasel .. does it want to do anything ? |
| 01:36.40 | lmaowaffle | abrotman: nope |
| 01:36.55 | lmaowaffle | well I've removed both packages, and restarted iceweasel, looks okay so far |
| 01:37.05 | abrotman | lmaowaffle: i wouldn't worry about it as long as your iceweasel matches the one at packages.debian.org/iceweasel |
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| 01:37.52 | TbbW | how does one add a new harddrive with mdadm when a broken one is replaced ? |
| 01:38.10 | lmaowaffle | abrotman: looks it |
| 01:38.20 | TbbW | md0 : active raid10 sda1[0] sdd1[4](F) sdc1[2] sdb1[1] |
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| 01:39.37 | lmaowaffle | mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sdd1 |
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| 01:40.09 | lmaowaffle | cat /proc/mdstat to confirm |
| 01:41.25 | lmaowaffle | reboot, sfdisk -d /dev/sda /dev/sdd && mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --add /dev/sdd1 |
| 01:41.26 | TbbW | and then just --add ? |
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| 01:41.51 | TbbW | oh ty :) |
| 01:42.02 | lmaowaffle | yeah, cat /proc/mdstat for progress of sync |
| 01:42.23 | lmaowaffle | TbbW: assuming disk sda and sdd are to have exact same layout |
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| 01:45.10 | TbbW | lmaowaffle: yeah i'm aware of that since the 0 part of the RAID10 |
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| 01:47.12 | TbbW | lmaowaffle: thanks alot ur a life saver :) |
| 01:47.36 | lmaowaffle | TbbW: that's actually my day-time job too ;) |
| 01:48.04 | lmaowaffle | one of a few surf-life-rescue-geeks in this world |
| 01:48.12 | TbbW | tech support ? :) |
| 01:48.26 | ircDon | Aptitude is reporting that texlive-base and texlive-common conflict with texlive-base-bin when I try to do an upgrade against the sid repository. Is tex out of sync at the moment or is this an issue with my local configuration? |
| 01:48.27 | lmaowaffle | TbbW: beach patrol |
| 01:48.35 | TbbW | hahaha |
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| 01:54.37 | f00li5h[ForRent] | hmm, what would be a good way to test if an enthernet card is intermittently dropping stuff ... |
| 01:55.06 | TbbW | f00li5h[ForRent]: ping ? |
| 01:55.23 | f00li5h[ForRent] | -_- |
| 01:55.33 | f00li5h[ForRent] | I was hoping for something more ... violent |
| 01:55.58 | TbbW | ping -c1000 192.168.1.1 |
| 01:56.00 | f00li5h[ForRent] | also, I have 3 interfaces I'd like to test, so it seems well suited to something running locally xfering stuff (since ping $local_ip doesn't actually use the link) |
| 01:56.09 | TbbW | if u want violent then just increase the packet size XD |
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| 01:56.17 | f00li5h[ForRent] | s/it/this situation/ |
| 01:56.44 | TbbW | just ping externaly then |
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| 01:59.20 | f00li5h[ForRent] | TbbW: "externally"? |
| 01:59.24 | f00li5h[ForRent] | you mean from a different box? |
| 01:59.50 | TbbW | yes from or to a diffrent box |
| 01:59.58 | TbbW | or just ping ur router if u have one |
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| 02:03.08 | f00li5h[ForRent] | router! |
| 02:03.17 | f00li5h[ForRent] | that's a good plan |
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| 02:06.47 | SlicerDicer | [394132.700782] BANDWIDTH_OUT:IN= OUT=eth0 SRC=192.168.1.00 DST=192.168.1.00 LEN=92 TOS=0x10 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=44955 DF PROTO=TCP SPT=22 DPT=50131 WINDOW=71 RES=0x00 ACK PSH URGP=0 |
| 02:06.56 | SlicerDicer | I am getting spammed in dmesg with that and its slowing down my computer |
| 02:07.04 | SlicerDicer | any ideas what is causing it and how to turn it off? |
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| 02:07.20 | MAd_haTTer | looks like iptables |
| 02:07.52 | dondelelcaro | SlicerDicer: it's not slowing down anything; it just telling you what's going on. either adjust your printk settings, or disable the log output. |
| 02:08.02 | SlicerDicer | like shit its not slowing stuff down |
| 02:08.12 | SlicerDicer | I am having it eat upward to 20% cpu with syslog-ng |
| 02:08.23 | SlicerDicer | tons and tons of logfile space... |
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| 02:08.47 | SlicerDicer | dondelelcaro: so how do I adjust printk? |
| 02:08.49 | SlicerDicer | so it turns it off? |
| 02:08.50 | dondelelcaro | then you've screwed up your iptables configuration and you have it logging packets that you shouldn't. Fix it. |
| 02:08.58 | MAd_haTTer | SlicerDicer: that line has output from iptables.. not sure about the "bandwidth" part.. |
| 02:09.07 | SlicerDicer | no idea how it has iptables... |
| 02:09.18 | dondelelcaro | SlicerDicer: iptables -L; should clue you in. |
| 02:09.22 | SlicerDicer | Package iptables is not installed, so not removed |
| 02:09.24 | centHOGG | iptables -L |
| 02:09.35 | SlicerDicer | -bash: iptables: command not found |
| 02:09.51 | centHOGG | sudo iptables -L |
| 02:09.53 | MAd_haTTer | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.12 | SlicerDicer | centHOGG: I am su already ;-) |
| 02:10.30 | MAd_haTTer | vim /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 02:10.48 | MAd_haTTer | there is a line about printing kernal messages comment it out |
| 02:11.01 | SlicerDicer | ok MAd_haTTer looking |
| 02:11.07 | MAd_haTTer | might work.. think you'll need to reboot |
| 02:11.29 | SlicerDicer | lol |
| 02:11.37 | SlicerDicer | the entire thing is commented out |
| 02:11.40 | SlicerDicer | :/ |
| 02:11.53 | MAd_haTTer | should work, not sure how to make it take effect with out rebooting.. ** |
| 02:12.01 | MAd_haTTer | sorry, uncomment it |
| 02:12.14 | MAd_haTTer | read the line above.. "comment this out to.. |
| 02:12.20 | SlicerDicer | #kernel.printk = 4 4 1 7 |
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| 02:12.25 | MAd_haTTer | nods |
| 02:12.35 | SlicerDicer | brb rebooting |
| 02:12.38 | MAd_haTTer | gl |
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| 02:12.49 | MAd_haTTer | you should find the source tho.. |
| 02:13.12 | MidnighToker | evening people. |
| 02:13.40 | MidnighToker | just installed Debian via the netinstall CD. Install has worked fine, except I'm missing most of the packages I'm expecting (eg openssh-server). |
| 02:14.08 | centHOGG | apt-get update |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | MidnighToker: so install them |
| 02:14.13 | MidnighToker | is there a default set of repo's I should be adding into /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 02:14.25 | dondelelcaro | MidnighToker: nope; it's configured properly by default. |
| 02:14.29 | abrotman | MidnighToker: show us what you have .. we'll fix it if need be |
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| 02:14.54 | MidnighToker | abrotman: sorry, when I try and install them (apt-get install openssh server) it tells me package has no installation candidate |
| 02:14.55 | meder | what's the 'g+w' argument/options primarily used for? |
| 02:15.04 | meder | eg 'chown g+w' |
| 02:15.07 | dondelelcaro | meder: info coreutils 'File permissions' |
| 02:15.08 | MAd_haTTer | one line |
| 02:15.16 | MidnighToker | aptitude only shows 1097 packages avalable, so i'm assuming i'm missing repos. |
| 02:15.25 | SlicerDicer | weeee MAd_haTTer that seems to have stopped the ultimate spammination |
| 02:15.31 | MidnighToker | have run apt-get update && upt-get upgrade |
| 02:15.32 | MAd_haTTer | MidnighToker: if you get that error try using aptitude search |
| 02:15.37 | abrotman | MidnighToker: so put the file in a pastebin |
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| 02:15.59 | MAd_haTTer | abrotman: he typed the package wrong.. |
| 02:16.21 | abrotman | in here ... |
| 02:16.27 | MidnighToker | abrotman: well, there is no gui on the box and (obviously) no ssh... which file are you after? the /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 02:16.32 | abrotman | he typed it correctly 10 lines before |
| 02:16.35 | abrotman | MidnighToker: yes please |
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| 02:16.38 | TbbW | long time since anyone tryed to brute force my ssh/ftp ... wonder what hapend to the china botnets :P |
| 02:16.38 | MAd_haTTer | sudo aptitude show openssh-server |
| 02:16.39 | MidnighToker | aptitude shows openssh-client, but no ssh-server |
| 02:16.53 | abrotman | MAd_haTTer: why the fuck would he need sudo to show the package information ? |
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| 02:17.15 | abrotman | MidnighToker: openssh-server |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | which you already stated wasn't working |
| 02:17.50 | MAd_haTTer | I did not say he needed sudo.. |
| 02:17.58 | abrotman | <MAd_haTTer> sudo aptitude show openssh-server |
| 02:18.00 | abrotman | really? |
| 02:18.04 | MAd_haTTer | yes |
| 02:18.07 | MAd_haTTer | dude fuck you |
| 02:18.13 | MAd_haTTer | your such a dick today |
| 02:18.15 | abrotman | you're |
| 02:18.16 | MidnighToker | `apt-get install openssh-server` -Package openssh-server is not availible, but is referred to by another package. this may mean the package is missing, etc.... E: package openssh-server has no installation candidate |
| 02:18.20 | TbbW | love is in the air *sings* |
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| 02:18.24 | MidnighToker | (i don't need sudo) |
| 02:18.27 | abrotman | MidnighToker: how many lines are in that file ? /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:19.08 | MidnighToker | its listing security.debian.org (http/src) and volatile.debian.org (http/src) |
| 02:19.19 | abrotman | MidnighToker: there is no other cdrom line or http line ? |
| 02:19.20 | MidnighToker | (so 10 lines ;) |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | 10? |
| 02:19.28 | MidnighToker | there is the CD, but the CD has no packages. |
| 02:19.37 | MidnighToker | 10 lines including white space and comments ;) |
| 02:19.43 | abrotman | MidnighToker: but the machine has internet ? |
| 02:19.46 | MidnighToker | it does |
| 02:19.57 | abrotman | where are you geographically? |
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| 02:20.03 | MidnighToker | UK |
| 02:20.07 | MidnighToker | Leeds, specifically |
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| 02:20.43 | MidnighToker | after playing with ubuntu for a while, i decided it was time to go back to basics, so i've gone for deb. |
| 02:20.50 | abrotman | MidnighToker: add "deb http://ftp.ticklers.org/debian/ lenny main" |
| 02:20.50 | kamoricks | I'm attempting to use exim4 as a client for SMTP AUTH. However, http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#smtp-auth doesn't cause it to auth with gmail. Why not? |
| 02:21.04 | MidnighToker | abrotman: who are ftp.ticklers.com? |
| 02:21.09 | abrotman | saw something interesting about Leeds lately .. can't remember what it was |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | MidnighToker: it's a Deiban mirror |
| 02:21.15 | abrotman | Debian even |
| 02:21.26 | MidnighToker | ta |
| 02:22.52 | abrotman | MidnighToker: when that's done "aptitude update && aptitude install openssh-server" |
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| 02:23.41 | MidnighToker | hehe, just did that, seems to be happy now :) |
| 02:24.06 | abrotman | and install your GUI or whatever else you want |
| 02:24.09 | MidnighToker | thanks abrotman, much appriciated |
| 02:24.15 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 02:24.22 | MidnighToker | abrotman: no gui thanks, its gonna be sat as a webserver |
| 02:24.26 | abrotman | ah okay |
| 02:24.55 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: why ticklers? |
| 02:24.58 | MidnighToker | abrotman: ah, ok, so runlevels in debian --how do I tell services to start at boot? |
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| 02:25.21 | MidnighToker | (well, not at boot, its a rc5 service imho) |
| 02:25.25 | abrotman | jpinx-eeepc: i picked a Debian mirror in .uk .. no special reason |
| 02:25.31 | abrotman | MidnighToker: update-rc.d |
| 02:25.38 | abrotman | or use rcconf |
| 02:25.42 | MidnighToker | abrotman: can you link me to the page with the mirrors listed, please |
| 02:25.43 | MidnighToker | and ty :) |
| 02:25.54 | abrotman | debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 02:26.09 | jpinx-eeepc | abrotman: fairysnuff ;) |
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| 02:26.59 | MidnighToker | mmmm, joyously quicker than Gentoo (to install, at any rate) :-D |
| 02:27.22 | jpinx-eeepc | MidnighToker: and you'll only have to install it once ;) |
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| 02:27.27 | centHOGG | did one gentoo install... |
| 02:28.01 | MidnighToker | jpinx-eeepc: i'd say the same for gentoo, but having binary packages means its going onto a 1ghz laptop in minutes, not hours :) |
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| 02:28.48 | jpinx-eeepc | MidnighToker: what keeps me in Debian is more to do with support and stuff;) |
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| 02:29.34 | MidnighToker | jpinx-eeepc: i cant disagree with that -and #debian doesn't seem overly afraid of bad language, either. |
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| 02:30.11 | jpinx-eeepc | well - you might get some grief for gratuitous verbal abuse ... ;) |
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| 02:31.05 | MidnighToker | yeah, i get the feeling my next question might qualify :S |
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| 02:31.47 | jpinx-eeepc | MidnighToker: if you're on-topic -- go for it ;) |
| 02:32.10 | MidnighToker | ok, well, as I said, i'm installing deb on this old laptop to act as a webserver. |
| 02:32.19 | abrotman | crazy talk! |
| 02:32.40 | MidnighToker | i have an obsession with graphs, so i'm going to start running cacti on it |
| 02:32.58 | TbbW | MidnightToker: why not caca ? XD |
| 02:33.01 | jpinx-eeepc | MidnighToker: I'm using an old toshlappy running lenny as a thin client |
| 02:33.08 | MidnighToker | TbbW: caca? |
| 02:33.17 | jpinx-eeepc | .es for crap |
| 02:33.29 | MidnighToker | ironic, its an old toshy Satellite Pro -ltp port and everything ;) |
| 02:33.51 | MidnighToker | anyway, my point |
| 02:34.07 | TbbW | http://caca.zoy.org/ <- ment this... not the es for crap |
| 02:34.10 | jpinx-eeepc | MidnighToker: Tecra T8000 here - with pcmcia ethernet adaptor |
| 02:34.27 | MidnighToker | i started doing all this the other day, but i've been using vmware, which is all well and good, but it needs a host machine and all that sod, so i'm recreating on the laptop |
| 02:34.43 | MidnighToker | I did use ubuntu (minimal) in the virtual machine, i'm now using deb on the laptop.... |
| 02:34.48 | MidnighToker | what differences should I be aware of? |
| 02:34.52 | MidnighToker | ducks for cover |
| 02:34.58 | MidnighToker | TbbW: thanks |
| 02:35.30 | MidnighToker | bloody hell.... you guys use exim as the default MTA :-D |
| 02:35.39 | jpinx-eeepc | MidnighToker: running any virtual machine on an old lappy is probabbly going to run into hardware limits |
| 02:35.46 | MidnighToker | nono |
| 02:36.01 | MidnighToker | the "logging server" was a virtual machine, its now being build onot the laptop directly |
| 02:36.28 | MidnighToker | it was ubuntu, its now deb. those are the differences i'm interested in. -and googling for "deb vs ubuntu" brings up tonnnnnnes of crap |
| 02:36.29 | jpinx-eeepc | !clone |
| 02:36.29 | dpkg | our $apt=Blootbot->new($apt) |
| 02:36.49 | centHOGG | ubuntu is kinda bloated.. but ok |
| 02:36.50 | jpinx-eeepc | MidnighToker: you want to clone your system onto the lappy? |
| 02:36.55 | MidnighToker | nope |
| 02:37.09 | abrotman | you can change the MTA |
| 02:37.31 | MidnighToker | for the 2 lines of command, i'm happy with a fresh install, i'm more curious about the differences between deb and ubuntu, if it stretches further than GUI stuff |
| 02:37.32 | jpinx-eeepc | purged exim ages ago s |
| 02:37.40 | MidnighToker | abrotman: i usually change to exim, i likes it |
| 02:37.44 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:37.56 | centHOGG | debian older... lazier updates |
| 02:38.05 | MidnighToker | i notcied the ancient kernel |
| 02:38.23 | jpinx-eeepc | centHOGG: what is your debian question? ;) |
| 02:39.00 | abrotman | MidnighToker: what's your CPU? |
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| 02:39.35 | MidnighToker | 1.5ghz celleron, as it goes |
| 02:39.36 | centHOGG | forget who was from leeds? |
| 02:39.43 | MidnighToker | -urm, so what package is `less` in? |
| 02:39.46 | MidnighToker | is from leeds |
| 02:39.47 | abrotman | MidnighToker: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 02:39.53 | abrotman | MidnighToker: uh .. the 'less' package |
| 02:40.12 | MidnighToker | i assumed it would be in the base system :S |
| 02:40.19 | centHOGG | MidnighToker: ok prove... what kind of potato chips do they have there??? |
| 02:40.45 | MidnighToker | using kernel 2.6.26-2-i686 -which is crazy, i'm on 2.6.32 on my other box ;) |
| 02:40.57 | abrotman | MidnighToker: that kernel is fine .. it's got backported fixes |
| 02:41.01 | MidnighToker | centHOGG: you mean chips of chrisps? |
| 02:41.04 | MidnighToker | crisps** |
| 02:41.12 | centHOGG | i forgot |
| 02:41.33 | MidnighToker | hmm, you guys must be using hte old UDEV then, too -i think that supports >2.6.28 |
| 02:41.53 | markybob | MidnighToker, debian stable is *stable* for a reason |
| 02:41.53 | Supertanker | What would you recommend for a decent backup system for a small server? (Debian based, of course. I'm looking at Mondo; it looks interesting, to say the least. I've also heard great things about Rsync) |
| 02:42.10 | centHOGG | rsync |
| 02:42.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Supertanker: set up rsync on a cron job? |
| 02:42.29 | MidnighToker | grins at markybob :) |
| 02:42.41 | markybob | MidnighToker, it's rock solid, which is what the majority of debian users require |
| 02:43.20 | MidnighToker | markybob: yeah, i can believe it. its cool, just a slight paradigm shift for m |
| 02:43.21 | MidnighToker | e |
| 02:43.30 | Supertanker | Heh, rsync then probably. I just need to get a new hardrive for my backup server now |
| 02:43.32 | IceIsFun | Can anyone here help me with iscsi stuff? I have it all setup and working but I am only seeing approx 40MB/sec over gige |
| 02:43.33 | Supertanker | And/or a DVD burner |
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| 02:44.05 | MidnighToker | IceIsFun: 40mb/s over gige, dependant on your hardware, might well be an expected speed |
| 02:44.15 | IceIsFun | Target is Debian 5 and Initiator is W2K8r2 |
| 02:44.18 | MidnighToker | Supertanker: just rsync via ssh offsite ;) |
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| 02:44.56 | Supertanker | MidnighToker, exactly what I was thining, but I need a place to send it to :P |
| 02:45.12 | IceIsFun | Well the Target has a Areca 1680IX with 20x 1.5tb 7200rpm drives, local disk speed approx 750MB/sec, and the Initator has a Areca 1680IX with 20x 320gb 7200rpm drives also around 750MB/sec local sustained read speed |
| 02:45.31 | centHOGG | oh yeah |
| 02:45.43 | IceIsFun | the GIGE link has been tried with a xover cable and through a netgear prosafe gige switch with the same 40MB/sec |
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| 02:46.13 | MidnighToker | Supertanker: you can send it to me if you like. -or just do what the ****heads at work used to, use /dev/null -access speed is fantastic |
| 02:46.45 | IceIsFun | Also a standard CIFS share copying gets close to the full 100MB/sec |
| 02:46.54 | MidnighToker | ah, now that is interesting |
| 02:46.55 | nsadmin | IceIsFun: so that probably rules out the link |
| 02:46.59 | MidnighToker | IceIsFun: whats CPU load like? |
| 02:47.23 | IceIsFun | Pretty low, both machines are Dual cpu quad core Xeon lga 1366 w/ 24gb of ddr1333 |
| 02:47.29 | abrotman | the network is GbE .. but are the NICs also set for GbE ? |
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| 02:47.40 | centHOGG | $$$ |
| 02:47.46 | IceIsFun | Both nics are trained at GB and windows CIFS shares run at the full gige speed |
| 02:47.51 | IceIsFun | just the ISCSI runs slow |
| 02:48.12 | Supertanker | MidnighToker, bahahha |
| 02:48.15 | nsadmin | that definitely rules out the link |
| 02:48.16 | IceIsFun | centHOGG: Yes the boxes cost a bit, its a virtualization setup |
| 02:48.22 | Supertanker | Thanks for the offer, I'll figure somethoug out though :> |
| 02:48.28 | MidnighToker | changing the hostname of a deb box; do i need to edit anything other than /etc/hostname ? |
| 02:48.38 | IceIsFun | I'm really new to setting up the iscsi target stuff on Linux, is there anything special |
| 02:49.19 | IceIsFun | maybe jumbo frames are not working or something? |
| 02:49.32 | centHOGG | only saw iSCSI stuff in the freeNas manual pdf |
| 02:49.43 | nsadmin | MidnighToker: do other boxes know it by its name? |
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| 02:50.03 | MidnighToker | nsadmin: yes, but only 'cos i control dhcp |
| 02:50.37 | nsadmin | so its name is tied to its IP? |
| 02:50.57 | MidnighToker | nsadmin: its only existed 10minutes, so i'm not really sure what you're asking |
| 02:51.33 | nsadmin | what's its old hostname? do you have a lan with many machines? |
| 02:52.03 | MidnighToker | nsadmin: i have 10 or 12 attached at the moment, its old name is whatever was auto-gen'd by the installer |
| 02:52.19 | nsadmin | ok |
| 02:52.33 | nsadmin | so you're really setting its first -intended- name |
| 02:52.46 | MidnighToker | yes |
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| 02:53.14 | rgr | what difference does that make? Clearly any host which had it in their hosts file needs to update and hi needs to change his bind oncfig if he had had his own IP for that host. |
| 02:53.16 | nsadmin | in that case probably you edit /etc/hostname and reboot |
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| 02:53.43 | MidnighToker | good, thats what i was going to do :>) |
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| 02:53.59 | MidnighToker | rgr: bind is done via mac, so i don't have to worry about that |
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| 02:54.54 | nsadmin | so you have to assign it a particular name according to the ip <--> mac mapping? |
| 02:55.04 | pyrophelia | quick qustion about raid ans filesystem blocks. I've built a raid6 with 128k blocks. does the file system need to be formatted in 128k as well or does it matter? |
| 02:55.06 | rgr | also you dont need to reboot I think if you use hostname command as well as above. I think. Not 100%. |
| 02:55.18 | pyrophelia | s/ans/and |
| 02:55.26 | IceIsFun | Does anyone here know about link bonding? |
| 02:55.36 | MidnighToker | rgr: nsadmin: thanks |
| 02:55.43 | pyrophelia | what would u like to know? |
| 02:55.50 | IceIsFun | I am thinking about bonding 4 gige links |
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| 02:55.58 | nsadmin | rgr: if he has no daemons running, I'd agree |
| 02:56.22 | pyrophelia | iceisfun, I've done it several times but not in linux yet. I will soon |
| 02:56.27 | rgr | what daemons are you thinking of? |
| 02:56.43 | nsadmin | MTA especially |
| 02:56.43 | IceIsFun | Well I understand in w2k8r2 it will not work with iscsi, but in linux it should work fine? |
| 02:56.47 | MidnighToker | hurm... actually, go on. How do I set up a static IP address? |
| 02:56.55 | abrotman | MidnighToker: man interfaces |
| 02:57.18 | pyrophelia | iceisfun, keep in mind u will never see a single transfer over 150MBps |
| 02:57.37 | IceIsFun | Well I have multiple VM hosts hitting iSCSI shares |
| 02:57.41 | nsadmin | I thought you had a dhcp on the net :) |
| 02:57.44 | pyrophelia | ah |
| 02:57.56 | pyrophelia | nm then :) |
| 02:58.09 | IceIsFun | And my local disks can support maybe 6 gige links under the best conditions |
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| 02:58.44 | rgr | nsadmin: I'm not sure I follow you. Can you explain? Why would his MTA on that machine have a problem? |
| 02:58.47 | MidnighToker | nsadmin: i do, but this box is going to be taking over dhcp and dns, as well as my graphing obsession |
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| 03:00.15 | nsadmin | he says he just installed... but an MTA typically has a FQDN if it's going to be receiving mail |
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| 03:03.31 | nsadmin | when you say "taking over dns" do you mean that other machines will be using this machine as dns? |
| 03:03.32 | rgr | nsadmin: then he need t reconfigure the MTA not just reboot the machine |
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| 03:04.52 | MidnighToker | nsadmin: yeah, this machine is going to become the DNS & DHCP server -so i want it to have a static IP |
| 03:05.00 | nsadmin | yes |
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| 03:05.13 | nsadmin | that's a definite :) |
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| 03:06.14 | rgr | is that true these days? If it has dhcp doesn't it just get found? |
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| 03:07.04 | MidnighToker | rgr: it does, but it needs to be on the network to respond to the dhcp requests. if its set for dhcp, it wont get an address itself, and therefore won't be able to respond to requests from other clients. |
| 03:07.04 | abrotman | by what? |
| 03:07.09 | MidnighToker | also, it would make the network messy ;) |
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| 03:10.59 | spldart | Is squeeze fairly stable? |
| 03:11.11 | rgr | I only ask (mine has fixed too) because I recall someone here telling me it wasn't necessary to configure where your dhcp server was as it was "just found". I dont know hte ins and outs. |
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| 03:11.37 | rgr | spldart: it is today :-; It wasn't couple of days ago (power managerment vanished!). |
| 03:11.44 | MidnighToker | rgr: it might not be necessary, but its immensely bad practice and socially inept (imho) |
| 03:11.49 | spldart | LOL |
| 03:12.19 | spldart | I was thinking of attempting a test of squeeze tomorrow... Woulld be downloading a netinst of it and throwing it on some old spare hardware. |
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| 03:13.14 | centHOGG | for a desktop? |
| 03:13.28 | rgr | well, I use it on my laptop and main dev machine. It was in poor shape a couple of days ago and my laptop kept freezing. It now works well. No problems really on my desktop. |
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| 03:19.13 | spldart | thankies |
| 03:20.36 | rgr | if you have an nvidia card then there is a workaround to use the nvidia drivrs with squeeze ask dpkg about "nvidia squeeze" for the easy way to get their drivers installed. |
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| 03:21.43 | kamoricks | I'm attempting to use exim4 as a client for SMTP AUTH. However, http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/README/README.Debian.html#smtp-auth doesn't cause it to auth with gmail. Why not? |
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| 03:23.01 | f00li5h[ForRent] | anyone know of a good <software> to convert /etc/{shadow,passwd} into LDIF (or another method) for stuffing the contents of pam_unix files into an LDAP directory? |
| 03:23.03 | markybob | kamoricks, follow http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 |
| 03:25.05 | abrotman | f00li5h[ForRent]: might do better to ask the #openldap channel |
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| 03:25.41 | f00li5h[ForRent] | abrotman: I see ... |
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| 03:26.58 | mdeonte | Lucid Alpha 1 sports full removal of the hal package, making Ubuntu faster to boot and faster to resume from suspend. |
| 03:27.06 | mdeonte | lol |
| 03:27.26 | abrotman | mdeonte: i think you want #ubuntu ? |
| 03:27.38 | mdeonte | no |
| 03:27.47 | jpinx-eeepc | yes you do :p |
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| 03:28.22 | mdeonte | uh, no. |
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| 03:35.54 | f00li5h[ForRent] | can someone point me at the document that describes the filesystem layout lenny uses? |
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| 03:36.12 | centHOGG | you mean what types? |
| 03:36.12 | f00li5h[ForRent] | it has things that etchandahalf didn't ... and it happens that I was already using some of the paths myself |
| 03:36.22 | f00li5h[ForRent] | centHOGG: who, me? |
| 03:36.26 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 03:36.28 | centHOGG | y |
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| 03:36.44 | f00li5h[ForRent] | you know, what "/opt" is for ... that kind of thing |
| 03:36.51 | nsadmin | mdeonte: FHS but not completely |
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| 03:37.06 | mdeonte | nsadmin, ? |
| 03:37.10 | centHOGG | f00li5h[ForRent]: yeah linux in general right? |
| 03:37.18 | f00li5h[ForRent] | centHOGG: what? |
| 03:37.26 | f00li5h[ForRent] | there is no "linux" layout ... |
| 03:37.36 | nsadmin | err that meant for f00li5h[ForRent] |
| 03:37.41 | f00li5h[ForRent] | you can put shit where ever you like |
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| 03:38.05 | nsadmin | and as long as you have lysol your house won't stink :) |
| 03:38.19 | centHOGG | ditto |
| 03:38.33 | nsadmin | and the driver is loaded |
| 03:38.41 | f00li5h[ForRent] | driver? |
| 03:38.44 | nsadmin | err that was old message |
| 03:38.55 | nsadmin | from like yesterday |
| 03:39.29 | nsadmin | mostly debian follows FHS standard |
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| 03:40.47 | centHOGG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 03:41.24 | Kamping_Kaiser | nsadmin: mostly? |
| 03:41.25 | zenwryly | Is there any existing hook into the network up/down stuff such that I won't have to wait for my ssh client connections to timeout or kill them from another console when I put my laptop to sleep and resume on a new network? |
| 03:43.04 | nsadmin | zenwryly: when your IP changes your connections will die |
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| 03:43.36 | f00li5h[ForRent] | z0rc: you can type ~. on a blank line and the ssh session will be killed |
| 03:43.44 | f00li5h[ForRent] | z0rc: HAHAHA, DISREGARD THAT |
| 03:43.54 | f00li5h[ForRent] | zenwryly: YOU, view the content of my comment |
| 03:45.43 | zenwryly | nsadmin: not so far |
| 03:45.53 | zenwryly | nsadmin: or rather it takes a while |
| 03:46.11 | zenwryly | f00li5h[ForRent]: thanks, I'll try that |
| 03:46.17 | nsadmin | it tries to keep the connection... |
| 03:46.37 | nsadmin | I think the timeout is for waiting to see if the connection comes back on |
| 03:46.41 | zenwryly | f00li5h[ForRent]: cool, that's very useful |
| 03:47.31 | f00li5h[ForRent] | that's what TCP does ... |
| 03:47.48 | f00li5h[ForRent] | wait until the oldest missing packet exceeds timeout |
| 03:49.07 | rgr | should sshing into a remote pc/laptop be enough to stop it considering itself "idle" for auto shutdown purposes? |
| 03:49.21 | f00li5h[ForRent] | nope |
| 03:49.40 | simonrvn | builds a new, fixed, cyrus-imap |
| 03:49.49 | f00li5h[ForRent] | if ssh to the first host dies, all the children of teh ssh on the remote machine die ... including any other ssh's |
| 03:51.00 | pyrophelia | um I justreally went over my head. so I resized a logical volume in lvm2 to twice its original capacity. now I'm trying to run fs2ck on it, but fs2ck is saying: error deteriming the size of the physical device: file to large |
| 03:51.09 | pyrophelia | how do I run fsck now? |
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| 03:52.39 | pyrophelia | is there a limit to how big a drive can be for fs2ck to check it? |
| 03:52.47 | simonrvn | um, seems you forgot to resize the fs too |
| 03:53.18 | pyrophelia | resize2fs told me to fs2ck first |
| 03:53.44 | simonrvn | did you, *before* you did all this? |
| 03:53.52 | pyrophelia | yeap |
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| 03:54.47 | pyrophelia | I ran fs2ck before, doubled the size of the volume, ran fs2ck again but ran into that error |
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| 03:55.47 | pyrophelia | actually they both say file too large |
| 03:55.58 | pyrophelia | there must be some kind of limit |
| 03:56.28 | simonrvn | what's the fs, and what size partition? |
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| 03:56.56 | pyrophelia | ext4 20TB. |
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| 03:57.32 | simonrvn | i don't recall what the limit is, but that's probably the problem... |
| 03:57.39 | pyrophelia | hmmm |
| 03:57.47 | kamoricks | markybob: It's sitting at *:username@gmail.com:password |
| 03:57.48 | simonrvn | could 4 TB for all i remember |
| 03:57.54 | simonrvn | could be * |
| 03:58.02 | markybob | 16TB |
| 03:58.10 | kamoricks | markybob: According to man exim4-config_files, that'll attempt auth for all usernames. |
| 03:58.13 | pyrophelia | the reason I'm using ext4 was because it supported massive disks |
| 03:58.13 | kamoricks | Err, *hosts. |
| 03:58.37 | markybob | pyrophelia, it does. max file size is 16TB and max volume size is 1EB |
| 03:58.49 | pyrophelia | the disk needs to grow to 54TB |
| 03:59.00 | markybob | that's far below it's limit. far :-) |
| 03:59.14 | pyrophelia | then why am I getting a file too big on only 20T? |
| 03:59.22 | pyrophelia | I'm missing something |
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| 04:00.01 | markybob | i think you're confusing file and volume. file size maxes at 16TB, like i said. |
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| 04:00.42 | pyrophelia | yes, but the disk is 20TB |
| 04:00.47 | simonrvn | markybob: thank you |
| 04:00.58 | pyrophelia | and fs2ck is saying file to big |
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| 04:01.26 | simonrvn | e2fsck* |
| 04:01.34 | simonrvn | too* |
| 04:01.50 | pyrophelia | sorry |
| 04:02.16 | pyrophelia | the point remains, how in the world do I fix this :/ |
| 04:02.54 | pyrophelia | is there a e2fsck just for ext4? |
| 04:02.55 | freeone3000 | Aha. update-exim4.conf still needs to be ran, even if I do /etc/init.d/exim4 restart. Suppose that's my fault for not exactly following the tutorial. |
| 04:03.13 | simonrvn | put it back, fsck it again, then resize? AFK |
| 04:03.31 | pyrophelia | sure |
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| 04:05.12 | Maxdamantus | Uhh.. In the "non-graphical" install, I chose Dvorak as my keyboard layout. |
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| 04:05.27 | Maxdamantus | It hasn't asked me to type anything until the root password.. Will it be in Dvorak or QWERTY? |
| 04:05.38 | abrotman | i'd think dvorak |
| 04:05.42 | echosystm | what do i need to do to preserve battery on my laptop? other than cpu scaling |
| 04:06.28 | freeone3000 | echosystm: Dim display brightness, turn off periphrials, don't use the CD drive, and turn off the wireless network. |
| 04:06.34 | Maxdamantus | Hm. I'll just type it in Dvorak, if it breaks I can always chroot into it from elsewhere. |
| 04:06.37 | freeone3000 | echosystm: Display brightness will drain the most power. |
| 04:07.29 | echosystm | ok |
| 04:07.35 | echosystm | does xbacklight suffice for that ? |
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| 04:07.46 | abrotman | echosystm: powertop might help you |
| 04:08.03 | abrotman | http://lesswatts.org/ |
| 04:08.29 | markinfo | what means condition [ -z "$1" ] && exit 0 .....if there is some Parameter -z and at the moment also "exit 0" ? |
| 04:08.40 | markybob | waits for someone to tell him to shut off his laptop... |
| 04:08.50 | Hydroxide | markybob: shut off your laptop |
| 04:09.09 | markybob | Hydroxide, wish i had one :( |
| 04:09.23 | Maxdamantus | markinfo, if the length of "$1" is 0, then exit with 0 status. |
| 04:09.24 | echosystm | ok next thing, my wireless doesnt work in stable and using a backported kernel is advised |
| 04:09.34 | echosystm | should i expect things to not work if i do this/ |
| 04:09.35 | echosystm | ? |
| 04:10.05 | markybob | echosystm, backported kernel would work fine |
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| 04:10.28 | echosystm | im not that knowledgeable about things like this |
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| 04:10.39 | echosystm | but is it possible it would break kernel modules or i would need to recompile things? |
| 04:10.40 | jmarsden | markinfo: man test to see what -z does. It is checking whether the first parameter $1 is empty. help exit to see what exit 0 does. It exits the shell with a status value of zero. |
| 04:10.51 | abrotman | echosystm: don't worry about it til something doesn't work ? |
| 04:10.55 | echosystm | ok |
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| 04:11.17 | chilli0 | Hello |
| 04:11.19 | Maxdamantus | Wouldn't `help test` be more appropriate? O_o |
| 04:11.25 | Maxdamantus | tries man test |
| 04:11.33 | abrotman | or #bahs ? |
| 04:11.35 | abrotman | bash |
| 04:11.46 | chilli0 | How can i see all users in the OS ? |
| 04:11.52 | chilli0 | If im in root |
| 04:12.00 | Maxdamantus | Hm. There's a man too.. But usually it's integrated as a bash builtin. |
| 04:12.07 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.09 | Maxdamantus | chilli0, try `pinky` |
| 04:12.12 | chilli0 | Ty |
| 04:12.34 | f00li5h[ForRent] | -_- |
| 04:12.41 | chilli0 | Maxdamantus, There is only root |
| 04:13.08 | chilli0 | I just installed and think i made a typo with the user name |
| 04:13.08 | Maxdamantus | chilli0, well, it depends what "logged on" really means. |
| 04:13.16 | f00li5h[ForRent] | my svn repo is not of the same version as my svn client ('cause I installed lenny instead of etchandahalf) ... how would I a) upgrade the database, or b) downgrade the svn binary |
| 04:13.33 | abrotman | chilli0: getent passwd |
| 04:13.34 | Maxdamantus | chilli0, oh, you didn't say logged on. :X |
| 04:13.44 | Maxdamantus | Yes, as abrotman said. lol |
| 04:14.01 | chilli0 | Thanks |
| 04:14.22 | echosystm | ok i want to set up my own debian (not use one of the stock DEs) |
| 04:14.30 | echosystm | what will i need to setup in the background? |
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| 04:14.45 | echosystm | i think alsa is not installed by default? what else? |
| 04:15.20 | pyrophelia | I took it back down to 10TB and it worked fine |
| 04:15.21 | chilli0 | Got it , how can i change a user name .... ( Very new to cli sorry) |
| 04:15.33 | pyrophelia | guess ill expand again... |
| 04:15.54 | echosystm | is there a guide somewhere for installing debian from scratch? |
| 04:16.01 | echosystm | things like hal, dbus, etc. |
| 04:16.16 | markinfo | hm - and what means [ -z "$2" ] || exit 0 ? if the length of $2 is zero then ...... ? |
| 04:16.48 | jmarsden | markinfo: if the length of $2 is anything other than zero then exit 0 |
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| 04:17.58 | jmarsden | markinfo: A bash tutorial would help you out understanding this kind of thing, BTW. Or reading man bash, if you are already pretty techie :) |
| 04:18.05 | abrotman | !ig |
| 04:18.06 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
| 04:19.50 | eulalia | Hi #debian; i just installed Debian 5 on my laptop. When i try to set up my network (System -> Administration -> Network), it reverts everything back to the defaults (unchecking the "Enable this connection" box, etc). Anyone know why? |
| 04:19.54 | pyrophelia | logical volume expanded to 21.83TB successfully, but e2fsc still says file to large |
| 04:20.09 | nsadmin | jmarsden: more rudamentarilly, it's "test if $2 empty" "ELSE, exit" |
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| 04:21.06 | pyrophelia | being on the bleeding edge is not fun :( |
| 04:21.39 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: ext3 has a 16TB limit with 4k blocks... is that what you are running into? |
| 04:22.30 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2#File_system_limits |
| 04:22.47 | pyrophelia | no, I'm running ext4 because I knew ext3 couldn't handle volumes this large |
| 04:23.05 | raz | uses xfs for large volumes |
| 04:23.15 | markybob | pyrophelia, are you using virtualization? esx? |
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| 04:23.23 | pyrophelia | no |
| 04:23.46 | chilli0 | Hi |
| 04:23.53 | pyrophelia | just 45 hard drives in 1 really big box |
| 04:23.56 | chilli0 | Should this change my layout ? setxbkmap dvorak |
| 04:24.26 | chilli0 | setxkbmap * |
| 04:24.30 | markybob | pyrophelia, does df -T backup your ext4 assumption? |
| 04:24.38 | pyrophelia | yea |
| 04:25.07 | markybob | pyrophelia, x64? |
| 04:25.11 | pyrophelia | yes |
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| 04:25.39 | SeanBest | Hey ehy |
| 04:25.52 | SeanBest | Anyone here? |
| 04:26.03 | Maxdamantus | Only 898 people. |
| 04:26.08 | pyrophelia | nope |
| 04:26.14 | SeanBest | NO WAY |
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| 04:26.25 | Maxdamantus | O_o |
| 04:26.49 | pyrophelia | raz: I think I read jfs works well as well, any thoughts? |
| 04:26.55 | eulalia | Anyone have an answer/suggested reading for my question?:( |
| 04:27.20 | raz | pyrophelia: never tried jfs. ext3 and xfs have served me well so far. |
| 04:27.28 | markybob | i doubt even ibm currently uses jfs :P |
| 04:27.30 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 04:28.02 | markybob | "Early in 2008 there was speculation that IBM is no longer interested in maintaining JFS and thus it shouldn't be used in production environments." |
| 04:28.03 | pyrophelia | they stopped production, but I was told it still works well with large volumes |
| 04:28.46 | markybob | i'd stick with ext4. xfs's company went bankrupt, reiserfs went under, ibm gave up on jfs... |
| 04:28.49 | chilli0 | Im getting this -bash: dpkg-reconfigure : command not found |
| 04:28.55 | chilli0 | Anyone know why ? |
| 04:29.03 | pyrophelia | yea but ext4 is buggy |
| 04:29.31 | pyrophelia | I can't even check a 20TB volume :/ |
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| 04:30.09 | pyrophelia | this has to be a bug with e2fsck. |
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| 04:30.30 | raz | pyrophelia: fwiw, i have multiple >10T xfs volumes in production |
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| 04:30.49 | markybob | pyrophelia, which version of e2fsprogs? |
| 04:30.56 | pyrophelia | how large do they get? |
| 04:31.08 | markybob | pyrophelia, i already told you :P |
| 04:31.11 | _2 | any backport of grub-pc for etch ? |
| 04:31.27 | markybob | pyrophelia, 1EiB |
| 04:31.58 | raz | is ext4 considered production ready, yet? |
| 04:32.06 | markybob | raz, yes |
| 04:32.11 | raz | thought that is rather new |
| 04:33.02 | markybob | raz, it became stable almost (two weeks away) a whole year ago |
| 04:33.02 | _2 | anyone ? |
| 04:33.22 | raz | a year is not much in filesystem terms :) |
| 04:33.32 | pyrophelia | 1.43.3 |
| 04:33.37 | markybob | raz, it's not a new filesystem. it's based on rock solid ext3 |
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| 04:33.48 | SuperMiguel | beside eclipse is there any other good C IDE?? |
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| 04:34.06 | abrotman | anjuta? vim? emacs? |
| 04:34.14 | raz | that doesn't necessarily mean much. ext3 had bugs, too, when it was new |
| 04:34.48 | markybob | raz, why dont you try it for yourself instead of just spreading fud? |
| 04:35.05 | pyrophelia | he is right |
| 04:35.12 | pyrophelia | ext4 is buggy |
| 04:35.13 | raz | i'm not spreading fud? |
| 04:35.18 | oh-hey | ext4 is solid as ever |
| 04:35.19 | chilli0 | Why do i get command not found when i try dpkg-reconfigure console-data ?? |
| 04:35.20 | raz | just giving my opinion |
| 04:35.22 | pyrophelia | if not the fs, the tools |
| 04:35.25 | oh-hey | i cant imagine anything better than ext4 |
| 04:35.32 | pyrophelia | oh yea? |
| 04:35.38 | raz | oh, so bugs in the tooling don't matter? |
| 04:35.44 | _2 | chilli0 ummm $PATH issues |
| 04:35.45 | pyrophelia | try to check a 20TB volume |
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| 04:35.58 | raz | yea, my boss will love to hear that when i tell him we're struggling to restore a multi-tb volume |
| 04:36.04 | chilli0 | _2, How lol I just installed the system |
| 04:36.13 | chilli0 | _2, No gui |
| 04:36.52 | raz | just saying, xfs is stable for 5+ years on linux. i'd consider that the safer bet. but to each their own. |
| 04:36.53 | _2 | doesn't rule out that possability chilli0 echo $PATH ;which dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 04:37.08 | dondelelcaro | use whatever filesystem you want; advocacy isn't on topic here. |
| 04:37.18 | _2 | and use the tab luke |
| 04:37.36 | oh-hey | i cant imagine anything better than ext4 |
| 04:37.43 | pyrophelia | will xfs supprt a 60TB volume? |
| 04:38.02 | raz | pyrophelia: yes |
| 04:38.24 | pyrophelia | well if I can't figure this out, I think I'm going to switch |
| 04:38.45 | pyrophelia | no point in wasting time with bugs |
| 04:39.00 | raz | otoh i think a few distros ship with ext4 as the default already, so the basic stuff should be ironed out already - or soon |
| 04:39.39 | chilli0 | _2, /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin/:/usr/games |
| 04:39.48 | _2 | so does anyone know of a backport of grub-pc for etch |
| 04:40.24 | chilli0 | _2, Btw its under a vm and cli so im using onboard to type so slow to type |
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| 04:40.29 | markybob | _2, did you check? http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/grub-pc |
| 04:40.32 | _2 | chilli0 there you have it. /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure |
| 04:40.50 | chilli0 | _2, So what do i do ? |
| 04:41.29 | _2 | su sudo or full path i.e. sudo dpkg-reconfigure blah... |
| 04:41.58 | _2 | else /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure blah |
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| 04:42.04 | chilli0 | So run it as root ? |
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| 04:42.42 | _2 | yes or you can also export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbin |
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| 04:43.03 | chilli0 | k |
| 04:43.05 | chilli0 | Thanks |
| 04:43.22 | chilli0 | And sudo will also come ? |
| 04:43.31 | chilli0 | ( i dont have it atm euther ) |
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| 04:43.53 | _2 | yeah you can install it any time. |
| 04:46.13 | chilli0 | I did export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin:/sbinwith no errors but it dont work 0= |
| 04:46.20 | chilli0 | (as root) |
| 04:46.37 | SuperMiguel | how good is cc for compiling? |
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| 04:48.09 | markybob | how good is a tv for watching cable? |
| 04:49.24 | SuperMiguel | well it depends if the cable porvides a high def signal and the tv doesnt support HD.. it wont really work |
| 04:49.33 | SuperMiguel | also if the wront cable is being used you cant get HD |
| 04:50.02 | markybob | then you should probably never compile |
| 04:50.54 | _2 | markybob yes i have and again sense you posted it, all i see there is a tarball am i missing something ??? |
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| 04:57.00 | raz | pyrophelia: this might be of interest for you (ext4 problem with stock debian kernel): http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Ext4_Howto#For_people_who_are_running_Debian |
| 04:58.05 | oh-hey | i cant imagine anything better than ext4 |
| 04:58.07 | oh-hey | ext4 is solid as ever |
| 04:58.38 | jmarsden | pyrophelia: According to the article raz pointed to: "NOTE: Although very large fileystems are on ext4's feature list, current e2fsprogs currently still limits the filesystem size to 2^32 blocks (16T for a 4k block filesystem). Filesystems larger than 16T is one of the very next high-priority features to complete for ext4." |
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| 04:59.09 | simonrvn | there ya go |
| 04:59.12 | raz | actually the bit that worried me more was: It should be noted that the stock 2.6.26 ext4 has problems with http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/DelayedAllocation and with filesystems with non-extent based files. So until Debian starts shipping a 2.6.27 based kernel or a 2.6.26 kernel with at least the 2.6.26-ext4-7 patchset, you should mount ext4dev filesystems using -o nodelalloc and only use freshly created filesystems using "mke2fs -t ext4dev". (Without the |
| 04:59.37 | simonrvn | your 60 TB (!) partition won't do (for now) |
| 05:00.00 | jmarsden | raz: You're missing the point... pyrophelia has issued with 20+TB filesystems but not with 10TB filesystems... that 16TB limit really does still exist. |
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| 05:00.33 | raz | jmarsden: yea well. two pointers against production use imho. |
| 05:00.35 | markybob | depends on his e2fsprogs version ...which i asked and wasnted given an answer to :P |
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| 05:01.23 | raz | i really wouldn't go there unless he feels like beta-testing |
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| 05:04.47 | Requia | Thankyou for that tip about w3m, google provided an answer pretty fast |
| 05:04.59 | oh-hey | np |
| 05:05.15 | Requia | anybody know how to have dpkg edited to know the correct install procedure in the future? |
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| 05:07.55 | nsadmin | Requia dpkg the bot? or dpkg the package tool? |
| 05:07.57 | Requia | the bot |
| 05:08.09 | Requia | it gives install instructions that are wrong on the last step |
| 05:08.34 | nsadmin | what factoid? |
| 05:09.05 | roe | anyone have any luck syncing any part of the iphone with debian? |
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| 05:10.48 | Requia | instead of editing xorg.conf yourself, run aticonfig --initial, it'll add the bits that you need itself (which are different than what the bot says to do) |
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| 05:16.03 | ice799 | Hi. I am on a Debian Lenny i386 system and I'm trying to use something which depends on FUSE. The debian page for other FUSE pacakges says: "Fuse is available in any recent kernel. No need to prepare a kernel module if you are already running Debian Etch kernel or newer." yet when I try to use my app which requires FUSE, I get: fuse: device not found, try 'modprobe fuse' first |
| 05:16.12 | ice799 | But, of course, no fuse module exists. |
| 05:16.33 | ice799 | Am I doing something wrong or are the docs broken? I'm about to go compile the kernel module by hand, but I figured I must be doing something stupid. |
| 05:16.36 | Requia | is fuse installed? |
| 05:17.31 | ice799 | Requia: I dont see a package in apt for the kernel module. |
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| 05:18.07 | Requia | Um, there's a bunch of fuse related stuff, fuse-utils sounds like the likely candidate |
| 05:18.15 | ice799 | I mean it might be there but "apt-cache search fuse | grep kernel" shows nothing. |
| 05:18.16 | Requia | assuming you mean fuse the filesystem? |
| 05:18.27 | ice799 | well fuse is just a kernel module which allows you to implement a filesystem in userland. |
| 05:18.38 | Requia | ah |
| 05:18.43 | KnuckOne | ice799: it IS included by default |
| 05:18.48 | ice799 | hmmm |
| 05:18.58 | darkblue_B | can I tell a package that one dependancy has been satisfied? specifically python-sqlalchemy is the dependancy, I have a newer sqlalchmey installed.. the pkg is mercurial |
| 05:18.59 | ice799 | I wonder why modprobe is so unhappy then? |
| 05:19.17 | ice799 | KnuckOne: I built this system using debootstrap, so perhaps I need the kernel-modules package or whatever for this system. |
| 05:19.33 | KnuckOne | ah, it was important to state this first :P |
| 05:20.03 | KnuckOne | linux-image-2.6.26-2-686: /lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/fs/fuse/fuse.ko |
| 05:20.12 | ice799 | ah |
| 05:20.14 | ice799 | thanks. |
| 05:20.29 | KnuckOne | it's directly in the linux-image package :) |
| 05:20.57 | ice799 | yeah i just realized while typing a previous message that bootstrap may not have installed the kernel-image package. |
| 05:20.58 | ice799 | oops. |
| 05:22.04 | KnuckOne | it doesn't, nor some important stuff like console-tools |
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| 05:22.48 | ice799 | hrmm |
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| 05:23.18 | ice799 | bootstrap installed kernel 2.6.30 but the image package wants 2.6.26 |
| 05:23.20 | ice799 | Arg. |
| 05:24.01 | ice799 | oh wait, no nevermind. |
| 05:24.08 | ice799 | i forgot i am chrooted. |
| 05:24.36 | KnuckOne | yeah, you'll probably a mount bind & co. |
| 05:24.50 | KnuckOne | need* |
| 05:25.09 | ice799 | yeah im just chrooted cause i wanna build an ami based on lenny |
| 05:25.15 | ice799 | with some junk rearranged. |
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| 05:31.19 | aaron__ | hey how can i fixed this |
| 05:31.22 | aaron__ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 05:31.23 | aaron__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.23 | aaron__ | E: Broken packages |
| 05:32.29 | aaron__ | any help? |
| 05:33.29 | KnuckOne | tried 'apt-get -f install' ? |
| 05:33.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | aaron__: what release are you running? |
| 05:33.54 | aaron__ | squeeze |
| 05:34.27 | Kamping_Kaiser | then you can keep both halfs, but here is a clue: /msg dpkg why is python-compizconfig not in testing |
| 05:34.38 | aaron__ | ? |
| 05:36.05 | darkblue_B | on a slightly realted note... |
| 05:36.07 | KnuckOne | ah nice one Kamping_Kaiser, i wasn't aware about the existance of such infos |
| 05:36.07 | darkblue_B | can I tell a package that one dependancy has been satisfied? specifically python-sqlalchemy is the dependancy, I have a newer sqlalchmey installed.. the pkg is mercurial |
| 05:36.15 | Kamping_Kaiser | KnuckOne: :) |
| 05:36.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | KnuckOne: may the force be with you ;) *heads afk for a bit* |
| 05:40.38 | rent-a-f00li5h | what's this "Updating debian files... please wait" thing about in the dpkg's queries? |
| 05:41.05 | rent-a-f00li5h | also, how do I get dpkg to re-install deleted config files again ... the robot seems to be unhelpful when asked to search/find things |
| 05:43.20 | sepult | apt-get -o APT::DPkg::Options="--force-confmiss" install |
| 05:44.32 | sepult | or dpkg --force-confmiss -i blah |
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| 05:45.01 | rent-a-f00li5h | and now to amke it intesting with some typos |
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| 05:50.21 | rent-a-f00li5h | !confmiss |
| 05:50.22 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 05:50.34 | rent-a-f00li5h | sepult: more ::'s needed |
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| 05:55.37 | rent-a-f00li5h | what the fuck? how is it that typing that doesn't make /etc/apache2 come back? |
| 05:55.42 | rent-a-f00li5h | what am I missing here? |
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| 05:58.19 | rent-a-f00li5h | ok, that's fantastic ... /etc/apache2 belongs to apache2.2-common ... not apache-common ... |
| 05:58.36 | rent-a-f00li5h | another mystery solved by banging my face against it until the pain stops |
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| 06:00.38 | acidfreeze | does anyone use the snd-hda-intel in here? |
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| 06:09.47 | KnuckOne | uses it |
| 06:10.08 | KnuckOne | acidfreeze: got some problem with it ? |
| 06:10.10 | acidfreeze | what model exact? |
| 06:10.21 | acidfreeze | yea |
| 06:11.01 | rent-a-f00li5h | should I be able to see a libapache2-mod-access? |
| 06:11.09 | acidfreeze | freaking crappy chipset.. 1 sec getting exact |
| 06:11.17 | KnuckOne | nVidia Corporation MCP61 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 06:11.21 | rent-a-f00li5h | 'cause the apache docs suggest it should be in a module, but dpkg does not know about onw |
| 06:11.24 | rent-a-f00li5h | one, rather |
| 06:11.34 | KnuckOne | it works decently since lenny for me :) |
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| 06:11.57 | acidfreeze | which model |
| 06:12.00 | acidfreeze | lspci -nn |
| 06:12.06 | KnuckOne | read the backlog :p |
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| 06:12.38 | acidfreeze | oh |
| 06:12.41 | acidfreeze | diff then me.. |
| 06:12.44 | acidfreeze | mcp55 |
| 06:13.38 | KnuckOne | what happens with it ? |
| 06:14.29 | KnuckOne | the only problems i know about snd-hda-intel since 2.6.26 is events/0 using too much CPU ;) |
| 06:17.06 | acidfreeze | well module loads great |
| 06:17.31 | acidfreeze | i can turn the volume up and down . but when i play music or any sound i can't hear anything |
| 06:17.56 | acidfreeze | except maby some digital noise with the volume at max |
| 06:18.17 | acidfreeze | then i play a song is like stop1sec end |
| 06:18.38 | acidfreeze | 1 second into the song.. but regardless i can turn the volume up in gnome like it would be working |
| 06:19.52 | KnuckOne | oh, gnome... pulseaudio related issue maybe |
| 06:20.47 | acidfreeze | well it wont play with aplay ethier |
| 06:23.40 | acidfreeze | yea im screwed i know |
| 06:23.43 | KnuckOne | it may sound captain obvious-ish, but aplay test should be done with pulseaudio down |
| 06:24.12 | acidfreeze | funny thing is i installed osx on it,, and used the voodoohda kext and it worked |
| 06:24.36 | acidfreeze | isnt that crap funny... make me kinda sick to think it can be done on there but not linux |
| 06:25.05 | acidfreeze | i have put maby 10 hours into this issue |
| 06:25.25 | KnuckOne | well, i never got such problem, i never used a desktop environment, so no additional sound layer, only alsa |
| 06:25.59 | KnuckOne | but actually it seems the bad time to get somebody more helpful than me |
| 06:26.21 | acidfreeze | i was here this morning to |
| 06:26.34 | acidfreeze | the issue is there is no one that has this chipset hardly |
| 06:26.50 | acidfreeze | its creative labs xfi extreme audio |
| 06:26.57 | acidfreeze | onboard |
| 06:28.09 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze: did you get your initrd ok? |
| 06:28.13 | Tw33k^ | i saw you in here earlier |
| 06:28.45 | Tw33k^ | i said 'use initramfs' right after you quit |
| 06:28.55 | acidfreeze | no |
| 06:29.06 | acidfreeze | im on old kernel |
| 06:29.11 | Tw33k^ | yea its initramfs -o |
| 06:29.14 | Tw33k^ | now |
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| 06:30.42 | acidfreeze | well |
| 06:30.48 | acidfreeze | booting the machine now lets see |
| 06:31.07 | acidfreeze | im about to go back to gentoo at this point.... i just didnt feel like installing :] |
| 06:31.54 | cast | wouldn't mind gentoo, the if you let it get too far out of date you're in trouble thing puts me off a bit along with leadership questions |
| 06:32.10 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze: i switched from gentoo to debian |
| 06:32.16 | Tw33k^ | went back in a vm for a bit |
| 06:32.23 | Tw33k^ | screw gentoo I much prefer debian now |
| 06:32.37 | acidfreeze | i like compiling :] |
| 06:32.42 | Tw33k^ | me too |
| 06:32.48 | Tw33k^ | nothing stopping you from compiling in debian |
| 06:32.51 | acidfreeze | i know |
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| 06:32.57 | acidfreeze | i like portage* |
| 06:33.05 | Tw33k^ | i like that i dont need to compile things like ls and ln though |
| 06:33.08 | Tw33k^ | lol |
| 06:33.13 | sepult` | actually nothing stopping you from compiling in gentoo on debian |
| 06:33.18 | acidfreeze | also i just feel like i know my way around in it |
| 06:33.19 | Tw33k^ | nope |
| 06:33.31 | cast | i don't think even gentoo guys compile ls and ln anymore do they? |
| 06:33.31 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze: better to be distro neutral |
| 06:33.36 | Tw33k^ | :) |
| 06:33.46 | acidfreeze | im not saying you cant compile from source via debian |
| 06:33.48 | Tw33k^ | cast: yep they do |
| 06:33.53 | Tw33k^ | everything is compiled |
| 06:34.01 | Tw33k^ | might not compile their stage2 but everything else is |
| 06:34.23 | Tw33k^ | installed it for a work lab a few weeks ago |
| 06:34.26 | cast | mmm, last time i looked they were shuning that |
| 06:34.34 | acidfreeze | stage to is like your base packages |
| 06:34.39 | Tw33k^ | 'they' is a pretty wide user base though |
| 06:34.39 | acidfreeze | 2* |
| 06:34.42 | Tw33k^ | anyway |
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| 06:34.50 | Tw33k^ | that's likely a better discussion for #gentoo |
| 06:35.09 | acidfreeze | haters.. :] |
| 06:35.14 | acidfreeze | j/p |
| 06:35.18 | Tw33k^ | <3 gentoo |
| 06:35.31 | Tw33k^ | debian > gentoo |
| 06:36.05 | cast | the crocodile is eating debian :( |
| 06:36.29 | sepult` | ok now to the assignment: how big is the probability of a c |
| 06:36.29 | sepult` | instruction which is thowing bitpatterns around that part of the |
| 06:36.29 | sepult` | bitpattern coincidentally matches some of the lower level asm or |
| 06:36.29 | sepult` | opcode instructions for the machine in question and that instruction |
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| 06:38.00 | acidfreeze | ok Tw33k |
| 06:38.15 | acidfreeze | why do i need it.. everything is compiled in |
| 06:38.40 | Tw33k^ | why do you need what |
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| 06:38.49 | acidfreeze | my filesystem and sata drivers are Yes |
| 06:38.54 | acidfreeze | built into kernel |
| 06:39.02 | acidfreeze | no modules |
| 06:39.08 | acidfreeze | well the core stuff atleast |
| 06:39.20 | sepult` | wtf |
| 06:39.21 | acidfreeze | let me show you screenshot of issue |
| 06:40.00 | acidfreeze | http://www.undervision.info/media/panic.jpg |
| 06:40.57 | Tw33k^ | well |
| 06:41.21 | Tw33k^ | heh thats not a screenshot... first... thats a picture of a monitor |
| 06:41.22 | Tw33k^ | lol |
| 06:41.29 | acidfreeze | haha sorry |
| 06:41.43 | Tw33k^ | second, it looks like you missed either your controller or your fstype |
| 06:41.49 | Tw33k^ | in your make menuconfig |
| 06:41.53 | Tw33k^ | also |
| 06:41.54 | acidfreeze | that was my desktop wallpaper |
| 06:42.02 | Tw33k^ | why are you running rc-8? |
| 06:42.09 | Tw33k^ | or trying to |
| 06:42.16 | Tw33k^ | theres a stable release of 32 out now |
| 06:42.21 | acidfreeze | well i just wanted to have max support for this chipset |
| 06:42.25 | acidfreeze | i need latest codecs |
| 06:42.34 | KnuckOne | looks like serious sns here :] |
| 06:42.55 | Tw33k^ | sns? |
| 06:43.01 | acidfreeze | yea me to..? |
| 06:43.04 | KnuckOne | !sns |
| 06:43.04 | dpkg | i guess sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 06:43.14 | Tw33k^ | haha |
| 06:43.19 | acidfreeze | hehe |
| 06:43.31 | acidfreeze | no focker.. my sound don't workey |
| 06:43.36 | Tw33k^ | Linux jdub-thinkpad 2.6.32 #1 SMP Wed Dec 9 22:58:26 EST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 06:43.39 | Tw33k^ | :3 |
| 06:43.39 | acidfreeze | :] |
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| 06:44.05 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze: grab the stable .tar.gz |
| 06:44.05 | acidfreeze | i have tried everything |
| 06:44.15 | Tw33k^ | don't try and include everything |
| 06:44.16 | Tw33k^ | lol |
| 06:44.20 | Tw33k^ | just make it fairly vanilla |
| 06:44.33 | Tw33k^ | use initramfs to create your initrd |
| 06:44.36 | acidfreeze | alright.. alright |
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| 06:44.46 | Tw33k^ | you're overcomplicating |
| 06:44.59 | acidfreeze | ok getting it |
| 06:45.01 | Tw33k^ | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/kernel2.6.htm |
| 06:45.09 | Tw33k^ | replace the version with 2.6.32 |
| 06:45.13 | Tw33k^ | everywhere its listed |
| 06:45.17 | acidfreeze | first i need to install ssh... killing my kvm switch |
| 06:45.26 | Tw33k^ | and replace mkinitrd with mkinitramfs |
| 06:45.40 | IceIsFun | is there a good way to reload ietd.conf? |
| 06:45.42 | Tw33k^ | and all will be well |
| 06:45.46 | IceIsFun | without disrupting service |
| 06:45.56 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze: trust me i did it exactly that way just days ago |
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| 06:46.15 | Tw33k^ | Dec 9th according to my uname -a |
| 06:46.20 | acidfreeze | drink 2 rockstars in 1 day? |
| 06:46.36 | Tw33k^ | huh? |
| 06:46.41 | acidfreeze | hehe... nothing |
| 06:46.45 | Tw33k^ | i see. |
| 06:47.05 | Tw33k^ | IceIsFun: i'm not sure what ietd.conf is |
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| 06:47.33 | Tw33k^ | oh iscsi |
| 06:47.35 | KnuckOne | inetd.conf i guess |
| 06:47.45 | IceIsFun | Tw33k^: its for iscsitarget |
| 06:47.46 | Tw33k^ | no its iscsi |
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| 06:48.02 | Tw33k^ | likely you'll need to restart your service |
| 06:48.11 | Tw33k^ | after editing the conf |
| 06:48.13 | SuperMiguel | is debian going to get TRIM support? |
| 06:48.18 | SuperMiguel | soon? |
| 06:48.27 | Tw33k^ | IceIsFun: likely not a way to do it without bringing it down and up |
| 06:50.48 | Tw33k^ | SuperMiguel: i don't have an SSD, but isn't TRIM a kernel/fs module level operation? |
| 06:50.56 | IceIsFun | how about allocating huge files without using dd if of bs count ? |
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| 06:51.41 | Tw33k^ | IceIsFun: thats like saying list a directory's content without using ls |
| 06:51.54 | IceIsFun | well i know dd can use seek |
| 06:52.01 | IceIsFun | but does that really allocate the space? |
| 06:52.18 | Tw33k^ | oh good question |
| 06:52.25 | IceIsFun | or does it allocate it as stuff is written and fragment the file |
| 06:52.49 | Tw33k^ | i believe dd will write the blocks on the disk at the time of execution |
| 06:52.53 | IceIsFun | ex: dd if=/dev/zero of=temp count=0 obs=1 seek=200G |
| 06:54.00 | sauvin | Fragmentation is more a function of the fs you're putting the image on than of anything dd might do. |
| 06:54.33 | Tw33k^ | ^ |
| 06:54.36 | IceIsFun | well if I allocate the file all at once isn't it going to be 100% more consistant for iscsi sustained reads? |
| 06:55.28 | Tw33k^ | depends what the fs you're writing to allows |
| 06:55.56 | Tw33k^ | of=temp - if 'temp' is on a filesystem with sequential blocks available it'll use them |
| 06:56.20 | Tw33k^ | exactly like sauvin said - that's a file system level operation |
| 06:56.27 | acidfreeze | Tw33k: compiling :] |
| 06:56.50 | acidfreeze | man my fios was fast |
| 06:56.52 | Tw33k^ | if you're talking about raw disk operations, it'll do it sequentially in order - not fragment |
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| 06:57.08 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze: i've heard of this fios you americans have |
| 06:57.09 | acidfreeze | 3.1MB/sec im not one to brag but |
| 06:57.11 | Tw33k^ | sounds awesome |
| 06:57.27 | Tw33k^ | i've got 5mbps ADSL |
| 06:57.30 | Tw33k^ | :| |
| 06:57.32 | acidfreeze | never seen such fast |
| 06:57.37 | acidfreeze | where you located> |
| 06:57.41 | Tw33k^ | toronto |
| 06:58.07 | acidfreeze | dude wtf.. you made it sound like you were in the middle east :] |
| 06:58.14 | acidfreeze | your right around the corner.,,, |
| 06:58.27 | Tw33k^ | :# |
| 06:58.39 | Tw33k^ | :3 |
| 06:58.40 | acidfreeze | us americans.. |
| 06:58.45 | acidfreeze | your pretty close :] |
| 06:59.02 | Tw33k^ | yeha... we don't have stars or blue on our flag though |
| 06:59.07 | Tw33k^ | or fiber in our homes |
| 06:59.09 | Tw33k^ | :| |
| 06:59.31 | acidfreeze | i know.. i live just standing outside and looking at it somtimes |
| 06:59.39 | acidfreeze | its like* |
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| 07:00.15 | acidfreeze | but i have seen some fast adsl lines |
| 07:00.29 | acidfreeze | i lived in a apartment once.. terrible dsl speed |
| 07:00.29 | Tw33k^ | we can get 25mbps cable here in some areas |
| 07:00.40 | Tw33k^ | not my area though |
| 07:00.41 | acidfreeze | like 10k a sec |
| 07:00.45 | Tw33k^ | :o |
| 07:00.48 | Tw33k^ | wow |
| 07:00.56 | acidfreeze | i was 13,000 feet away from dslam |
| 07:01.19 | acidfreeze | like i barley qualified to get it |
| 07:02.19 | acidfreeze | so i call the tech guys and since it was sbc they had tech call me .. he was like there is a dslam 2 blocks the other direction from your house. He said that they would have to shut off my line for 2 days while they moved me |
| 07:02.36 | acidfreeze | it was fiber to the box across the street |
| 07:02.38 | sauvin | barley? |
| 07:02.54 | Tw33k^ | barely i think |
| 07:03.00 | acidfreeze | darn,, spell check failed me |
| 07:03.10 | Tw33k^ | spell check? lol what client you using |
| 07:03.22 | acidfreeze | colloquy |
| 07:03.24 | Tw33k^ | irssi here |
| 07:03.28 | patterson | SuperMiguel ,this sort of hints at it http://communities.intel.com/message/68262#68262 |
| 07:04.01 | acidfreeze | still building |
| 07:04.23 | Tw33k^ | took me almost 30 mins to build mine |
| 07:04.37 | Tw33k^ | had a friend offer right after though to cross compile for me on his i7 |
| 07:04.50 | Tw33k^ | compile with -j9 and it builds a kernel in under 2 mins |
| 07:05.51 | acidfreeze | distcc? |
| 07:06.19 | Tw33k^ | yeha |
| 07:06.47 | acidfreeze | i always want to try it.. but i dont know many linux peeps |
| 07:07.06 | Tw33k^ | i'm in another channel on another server regularily - we're setting up a xen cloud cluster |
| 07:07.30 | acidfreeze | yea my friend showed me a cool livecd using that |
| 07:07.37 | acidfreeze | pretty cool |
| 07:07.41 | Tw33k^ | gonna share resources via vms |
| 07:07.49 | Tw33k^ | distributed computing ftw |
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| 07:08.17 | acidfreeze | its not a bad idea for google chromium os |
| 07:08.27 | Tw33k^ | meh |
| 07:08.30 | acidfreeze | web application that could me powered by clusters |
| 07:08.33 | Tw33k^ | i have no interest in such things |
| 07:08.46 | Tw33k^ | more interested in stealing friends' i7s to compile |
| 07:08.54 | acidfreeze | im just saying kinda sounded like a cool concept to help netbooks with performance |
| 07:09.04 | Tw33k^ | yea it'll be good for the masses |
| 07:10.36 | acidfreeze | ok so is it ok for me to make modules_install? |
| 07:10.57 | acidfreeze | the doc i read on debian kernel upgrades didnt mention it |
| 07:11.25 | acidfreeze | i think it said to make clean and the dpkg -.... |
| 07:11.30 | MartyD | sry to jump iin on that: but i think netbooks have more than enough performance for any everyday task, but logitech needs 55mb for a mousedriver.. 55mb is enough for a complete linux distro |
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| 07:11.55 | acidfreeze | well yea they do now until there is more web applications |
| 07:12.11 | sauvin | I have no complaint with ubuntu jaunty on my netbook except that it gets half the battery life Windows on the same machine does. |
| 07:12.26 | adb | !tell acidfreeze - about kp mantra |
| 07:12.27 | sauvin | (yes, I know, this is #debian; I'm on a Debian laptop now, so, PppbbBBbt.) |
| 07:12.37 | acidfreeze | maby you need to turn the brightness down and kill some processes |
| 07:12.46 | adb | !tell acidfreeze -about kp mantra |
| 07:12.50 | sauvin | That's just the thing: brightness won't TURN donw. |
| 07:13.15 | acidfreeze | that suxs.. |
| 07:13.20 | sauvin | Yup. |
| 07:13.25 | acidfreeze | dont feel bad my sound doesnt work |
| 07:13.37 | sauvin | What distro? |
| 07:13.46 | acidfreeze | debian |
| 07:14.16 | sauvin | Hrm. |
| 07:14.20 | acidfreeze | 09:00.0 Audio device [0403]: Creative Labs [SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG [1102:0009] |
| 07:14.37 | acidfreeze | sata_nv |
| 07:14.42 | acidfreeze | opps |
| 07:14.44 | adb | judd, pciid 1102:0009 |
| 07:14.45 | judd | adb: [1102:0009] is '[SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG' from 'Creative Labs' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0009 |
| 07:14.57 | acidfreeze | i mean snd-hda-intel |
| 07:15.14 | acidfreeze | but doesnt work.. i can turn the volume up and down |
| 07:15.28 | acidfreeze | like via gnome but when i play anything it doesnt play |
| 07:15.36 | acidfreeze | even with aplay |
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| 07:16.02 | acidfreeze | im upgrading to 2.6.32 right now to see |
| 07:16.22 | rent-a-f00li5h | hrm |
| 07:16.40 | rent-a-f00li5h | libapache2-mod-php5 seems to not provide an apache modules-avaialble entry |
| 07:16.42 | rent-a-f00li5h | should it? |
| 07:17.46 | acidfreeze | dont know would say hit up #apache but... |
| 07:17.59 | acidfreeze | there is always this guy in there who is real pushy |
| 07:18.11 | acidfreeze | i cant stand him |
| 07:18.20 | rent-a-f00li5h | acidfreeze: it's #httpd now, and you're thinking of thumbs |
| 07:18.27 | acidfreeze | yep |
| 07:18.29 | rent-a-f00li5h | and modules-available is a debian specific thing |
| 07:18.45 | acidfreeze | he attacks with the auto responses |
| 07:18.57 | rent-a-f00li5h | auto-what now? |
| 07:19.04 | acidfreeze | you know the bots.. |
| 07:19.15 | acidfreeze | i forget the word for it.. |
| 07:19.25 | rent-a-f00li5h | "factods" most likely... |
| 07:19.38 | rent-a-f00li5h | he just doesn't like the debian layou |
| 07:19.45 | acidfreeze | dude thats awesome you know who i was talking about |
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| 07:21.11 | acidfreeze | tw33k you still around |
| 07:21.40 | rent-a-f00li5h | acidfreeze: well, thumbs is always on #httpd ... |
| 07:21.47 | acidfreeze | i know .. |
| 07:22.01 | rent-a-f00li5h | and he's helpful if you ask questions about apache configuration |
| 07:22.08 | rent-a-f00li5h | you just have to smooth over the "it's debian" part |
| 07:22.19 | acidfreeze | usually im gentoo so... |
| 07:22.34 | rent-a-f00li5h | does he hate gentoo as much as he hates debian? |
| 07:22.39 | acidfreeze | omg yes |
| 07:22.48 | acidfreeze | he always trys to send me away |
| 07:22.55 | cast | what does he use? |
| 07:23.07 | acidfreeze | i think ubuntu.. im not sure |
| 07:23.13 | rent-a-f00li5h | nope |
| 07:23.21 | rent-a-f00li5h | ubuntu is a debian offspring |
| 07:23.27 | acidfreeze | so ... |
| 07:23.30 | acidfreeze | there is tons of them |
| 07:23.32 | rent-a-f00li5h | he *hates* debian |
| 07:23.35 | acidfreeze | who keeps track anymore |
| 07:23.37 | rent-a-f00li5h | well, debian's layout |
| 07:23.53 | acidfreeze | its like distros on top of distros |
| 07:24.00 | rent-a-f00li5h | well, as a debian user, I noticed the fork |
| 07:24.11 | rent-a-f00li5h | don't know anything about other dists |
| 07:24.17 | acidfreeze | its like the "Mint" |
| 07:24.23 | acidfreeze | Linux Mint |
| 07:24.27 | rent-a-f00li5h | mint? |
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| 07:24.40 | acidfreeze | yea is on top of another distro |
| 07:24.44 | rent-a-f00li5h | I suppose i'm just going to hand write this php load thingy |
| 07:25.19 | acidfreeze | well if i had time to install |
| 07:25.22 | acidfreeze | 2 days.., |
| 07:25.37 | acidfreeze | but just not in the mood |
| 07:25.52 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze: back |
| 07:25.53 | Tw33k^ | sup |
| 07:26.12 | acidfreeze | ok just about done |
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| 07:32.22 | acidfreeze | tw33k: The package linux-image-2.6.32-rc8 needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 07:32.38 | acidfreeze | i just copied the kernel into my boot without that thing |
| 07:32.49 | Tw33k^ | huh? |
| 07:32.57 | Tw33k^ | did you use make-kpkg? |
| 07:32.59 | acidfreeze | when i try to install initramfs-tools |
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| 07:33.18 | acidfreeze | i just did make && make modules_install |
| 07:33.37 | Tw33k^ | can you dpkg -r linux-image-2.6.32-rc8? |
| 07:33.47 | acidfreeze | yea but is that safe |
| 07:33.56 | acidfreeze | im not using r8 anymore |
| 07:33.58 | Tw33k^ | are you booted into it now? |
| 07:34.05 | acidfreeze | yes |
| 07:34.12 | Tw33k^ | reboot into a different kernel |
| 07:34.25 | Tw33k^ | then remove the rc-8 package |
| 07:34.33 | Tw33k^ | and install the 2.6.32 package |
| 07:34.46 | acidfreeze | im on 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 07:34.49 | Tw33k^ | then run mkinitramfs -o for 2.6.32 |
| 07:34.55 | Tw33k^ | update your grub |
| 07:34.56 | acidfreeze | getting on a diff kernel is what we are working to do |
| 07:34.57 | Tw33k^ | and reboot |
| 07:35.06 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze: oh thats all you have? |
| 07:35.17 | Tw33k^ | oh ok ok |
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| 07:35.28 | acidfreeze | ok i can remove /usr/src/*rc8 but.. |
| 07:35.33 | Tw33k^ | i though you were using the rc8 kernel at present |
| 07:35.40 | acidfreeze | i am |
| 07:35.51 | Tw33k^ | > im on 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 07:35.52 | acidfreeze | im trying to go to 2.6.32 stable |
| 07:35.54 | Tw33k^ | which is it dude |
| 07:36.08 | acidfreeze | im on 2.6.32-rc8 |
| 07:36.13 | Tw33k^ | ok |
| 07:36.17 | acidfreeze | trying to downgrade to 2.6.32 stable. |
| 07:36.19 | acidfreeze | you told me to |
| 07:36.25 | Tw33k^ | yea yea |
| 07:36.44 | Tw33k^ | copy 2.6.32's vmlin image to /boot |
| 07:37.05 | Tw33k^ | run mkramfs |
| 07:37.10 | Tw33k^ | mkinitramfs* |
| 07:37.19 | acidfreeze | after i reboot? |
| 07:37.26 | Tw33k^ | no |
| 07:37.27 | Tw33k^ | before |
| 07:37.49 | Tw33k^ | it's 2:30 am and i've had a couple... please bear with me |
| 07:37.49 | acidfreeze | so while im in rc8? |
| 07:37.54 | Tw33k^ | sure |
| 07:37.57 | acidfreeze | yea me to |
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| 07:38.09 | acidfreeze | 1:38 |
| 07:38.18 | Tw33k^ | CST |
| 07:38.26 | Tw33k^ | i'm EST |
| 07:38.36 | acidfreeze | yep.. |
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| 07:38.43 | acidfreeze | ok.. o |
| 07:38.44 | acidfreeze | so |
| 07:39.00 | Tw33k^ | copy 2.6.32's vmlin image to /boot |
| 07:39.08 | acidfreeze | k |
| 07:39.12 | Tw33k^ | run mkintramfs |
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| 07:40.21 | acidfreeze | ok it ran |
| 07:40.22 | acidfreeze | no errors |
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| 07:41.00 | Tw33k^ | you ran it with -o /boot/initrd etc etc? |
| 07:42.07 | Tw33k^ | mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32 2.6.32 |
| 07:42.10 | Tw33k^ | thats the whole command |
| 07:42.49 | acidfreeze | its there |
| 07:42.53 | Tw33k^ | :) |
| 07:42.56 | Tw33k^ | update your grub |
| 07:42.58 | Tw33k^ | reboot |
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| 07:45.49 | acidfreeze | ok heading to reboot |
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| 07:45.58 | acidfreeze | oh wait.. im on diff box |
| 07:46.07 | acidfreeze | hehe |
| 07:46.10 | acidfreeze | ok rebooting now |
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| 07:46.46 | acidfreeze | my goerge it is working |
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| 07:47.37 | acidfreeze | thanks so much for guidance man |
| 07:48.02 | Tw33k^ | :) |
| 07:48.03 | Tw33k^ | np |
| 07:48.32 | markinfo | what is an alternative for "cat file" on mswindows? |
| 07:48.40 | Tw33k^ | type |
| 07:48.46 | acidfreeze | darn sound doesnt work still |
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| 07:48.53 | cast | markinfo: really, htf would we know |
| 07:49.06 | Tw33k^ | markinfo: type. srsly. |
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| 07:49.53 | acidfreeze | Tw33k: http://pastebin.com/m1c801a95 |
| 07:50.00 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze: likely gonna take more than just a new kernel to get sound working |
| 07:50.09 | markinfo | hm "type: command not found" I am on windows share with smbclient. |
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| 07:50.22 | Tw33k^ | wait |
| 07:50.26 | Tw33k^ | you're on a linux machine? |
| 07:50.30 | acidfreeze | yea |
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| 07:50.33 | Tw33k^ | sigh |
| 07:50.38 | Tw33k^ | mount the cifs share |
| 07:50.40 | Tw33k^ | and use cat |
| 07:50.47 | acidfreeze | oh lol |
| 07:51.35 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze: sorry that was @markinfo |
| 07:51.58 | Tw33k^ | acidfreeze: doesnt look like you've got anything creative related loaded there |
| 07:52.21 | acidfreeze | well because |
| 07:53.08 | Tw33k^ | i see |
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| 07:53.31 | acidfreeze | judd, pciid 1102:0009 |
| 07:53.32 | judd | acidfreeze: [1102:0009] is '[SB X-Fi Xtreme Audio] CA0110-IBG' from 'Creative Labs' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1102:0009 |
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| 07:53.51 | Tw33k^ | oh ok |
| 07:53.52 | acidfreeze | it uses snd-hda-intel |
| 07:54.38 | acidfreeze | this is why it frustrates me man |
| 07:54.45 | acidfreeze | its msi p6n-diamond board |
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| 07:54.56 | acidfreeze | crap |
| 07:55.05 | acidfreeze | i bought it for 25 bucks |
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| 07:55.29 | Tw33k^ | tried this? |
| 07:55.30 | Tw33k^ | http://wiki.debian.org/X-Fi |
| 07:55.48 | acidfreeze | thats how i have alsa |
| 07:55.56 | Tw33k^ | i've never used a x-fi tbh |
| 07:55.58 | Arrowmaster | hmm i wonder |
| 07:56.04 | Tw33k^ | has intel and m-audio cards only |
| 07:56.13 | acidfreeze | i went by exactly |
| 07:56.20 | acidfreeze | lsmod |
| 07:56.25 | Arrowmaster | judd, pciid 152d:2339 |
| 07:56.27 | judd | Arrowmaster: [152d:2339] is 'Unknown device' from 'QUANTA Computer Inc' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=152d:2339 |
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| 07:57.11 | Tw33k^ | hm |
| 07:57.12 | Tw33k^ | well |
| 07:57.20 | Tw33k^ | i've exhausted my resources on this one acidfreeze |
| 07:57.26 | Tw33k^ | i've gotta go to bed |
| 07:57.28 | acidfreeze | np |
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| 07:57.32 | acidfreeze | thanks for your help again man |
| 07:57.34 | Tw33k^ | glad I could help you get your kernel running tho |
| 07:57.35 | Tw33k^ | nn |
| 07:57.51 | acidfreeze | you have sold me atleast 1-2 more nights of debian\ |
| 07:58.00 | Tw33k^|Zzz | :) |
| 07:58.02 | acidfreeze | hehe, then we will see |
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| 07:58.14 | acidfreeze | will debian prevail and fix the sound issue |
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| 08:07.03 | acidfreeze | is anyone still here? |
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| 08:08.47 | nsadmin | is the only one here... since everyone else is there... |
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| 08:15.25 | Kage_Jittai | hey, I am disceting a .deb file, how can I get the control.tar.gz file from a .deb file? |
| 08:15.32 | mjmt | Kage_Jittai: ar |
| 08:15.43 | mjmt | ar x |
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| 08:39.49 | pyrophelia | I just built a large software raid6 and i'm curious as to why cat /proc/mdstat says resync=PENDING |
| 08:40.12 | pyrophelia | on other distros it starts building the raid right away, what does debian do differently? |
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| 08:43.08 | pyrophelia | ah you have to set the readwrite flag first |
| 08:43.10 | pyrophelia | interesting |
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| 08:45.14 | pyrophelia | uh oh |
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| 08:45.25 | pyrophelia | looks like he got some people that time |
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| 08:46.26 | alhadi | Hello |
| 08:46.41 | Darkknow | Plop' |
| 08:46.42 | Darkknow | La forme ? |
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| 08:47.12 | alhadi | I have enabled ssh on my server, when i attempt to access the ssh from a remote site, it keeps asking for entering a password and i have typed it correct , do you know why does it keep asking me for password ??? |
| 08:47.34 | pyrophelia | alhadi, 9.10? |
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| 08:47.44 | alhadi | its debian 5.03 |
| 08:47.52 | pyrophelia | lol n/m |
| 08:47.58 | pyrophelia | then you're typing the password wrog |
| 08:47.58 | alhadi | latest version downloaded yesterday and installed today morning. |
| 08:48.00 | alhadi | Please help |
| 08:48.04 | alhadi | no iam not |
| 08:48.05 | pyrophelia | wrong* |
| 08:48.07 | alhadi | its te correct one |
| 08:48.18 | alhadi | i just logged in to my console and it worked |
| 08:48.32 | alhadi | it keeps asking me for password and iam 100% sure its correct |
| 08:48.42 | alhadi | usernale : root |
| 08:48.47 | alhadi | password : xxxx |
| 08:48.56 | DogBoy | try with a non root user |
| 08:49.00 | alhadi | it is correct becasue i logged from same password in the server |
| 08:49.04 | alhadi | hmm |
| 08:49.13 | alhadi | for that i have to create a user right ?? |
| 08:49.20 | alhadi | whats the command to create a user |
| 08:49.28 | pyrophelia | adduser |
| 08:49.32 | alhadi | or if i want to have root ssh access how can i do it ?? |
| 08:49.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | alhadi: have you enabled root logins? |
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| 08:49.39 | alhadi | i just need root ssh access |
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| 08:49.48 | alhadi | Kamping_Kaiser no sir no idea |
| 08:49.56 | alhadi | i just enabled ssh service |
| 08:49.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | alhadi: look in the sshd_config file |
| 08:50.01 | jmarsden | alhadi: man sshd_config |
| 08:50.18 | alhadi | ok |
| 08:50.23 | alhadi | what i have to do there ? |
| 08:50.28 | Kamping_Kaiser | read it |
| 08:50.31 | alhadi | also is it secure ? |
| 08:50.43 | alhadi | i mean if i enable root then ppl can hack it easily ? |
| 08:50.49 | jmarsden | It's less secure, that is why the defaults are the way they are. |
| 08:51.21 | alhadi | ah ok |
| 08:51.26 | alhadi | i will not touch it then |
| 08:51.40 | alhadi | i prefer to be secured rather then to be hacked for my poor attempt |
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| 08:51.59 | alhadi | creating a user now to simple give ssh access |
| 08:52.03 | alhadi | adduser ?? |
| 08:52.10 | cast | yes. |
| 08:52.14 | alhadi | thanks :) |
| 08:52.22 | cast | are you sure you should be running a server ;P |
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| 08:52.32 | alhadi | debian is my fav distro. just wish if i could create a router / firewall in it :)_ |
| 08:52.43 | cast | you can |
| 08:53.03 | alhadi | cast i know what are you trying to say but i love to learn debian and its the most stable distro on linux |
| 08:53.05 | alhadi | love it. |
| 08:53.07 | alhadi | :D |
| 08:53.26 | alhadi | that would be great if debian can act as my firewall router |
| 08:53.30 | cast | nods |
| 08:53.36 | cast | long as it's not a production server :) |
| 08:53.38 | alhadi | then my users would get ip from debian itself |
| 08:53.55 | alhadi | true , this is for my testing server |
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| 08:54.05 | alhadi | once i complete testing then it will come live. |
| 08:54.29 | alhadi | astaro seems to lag certain things but debian will be def a good router / firewall |
| 08:55.08 | alhadi | ./etc/ssh/ssh_config ? |
| 08:55.14 | alhadi | i think i found the path |
| 08:55.25 | cast | sshd_config, for ssh server things |
| 08:55.31 | alhadi | ah ok |
| 08:55.36 | alhadi | thanks |
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| 08:57.43 | bohne | hi, upgraded vom etch to lenny (dist-upgrade), why is the kernel-image still named 2.6.24-etchnhalf? |
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| 08:58.29 | nevyn_ | bohne: kernels are someone special |
| 08:59.12 | bohne | i freshly installed lenny has kernel 2.6.26 |
| 08:59.25 | cahoot | did reboot? |
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| 08:59.35 | bohne | cahoot: me? yes |
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| 09:06.45 | reto`` | bohne: dpkg -l "linux-image*" | grep ^ii |
| 09:06.55 | reto`` | what's the output? |
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| 09:19.25 | ansu | how can i change to kde from gnome? |
| 09:19.59 | flip512 | I messed up with a chown command; how can I use the dpkg information to restore setuid/setgid permissions? |
| 09:21.32 | reto`` | ansu: apt-get install kde |
| 09:22.22 | reto`` | ansu: and check the .xinitrc so that it starts kde |
| 09:22.54 | nkuttler | ansu: or select kde from the sessions menu in your dm |
| 09:23.03 | ansu | reto, how to remove gnome, can i have both. Shud i install kde first and then remove gnome? |
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| 09:24.36 | reto`` | ansu: you can have both... if gnome is installed you will also a login manager called gdm |
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| 09:24.56 | babilen | ansu: What do you mean exactly with "remove Gnome"? |
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| 09:25.25 | babilen | ansu: If, for example, you use gnome software, do you want to remove it as well? |
| 09:25.33 | reto`` | ansu: you can either leave gdm and select kde to be started or replace the login manager too (kdm for kde) |
| 09:25.35 | ansu | Babilen, i want only kde, and remove gnome completely. |
| 09:25.50 | babilen | !tell ansu -about remove gnome |
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| 09:26.48 | babilen | ansu: You could also just remove the top metapackages (gnome, gnome-core, ...) which would remove all applications pulled in by them |
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| 09:27.02 | babilen | ansu: I would also first install KDE and then remove GNOME |
| 09:27.19 | ansu | ok, thanks |
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| 09:28.01 | babilen | ansu: The command dpkg told you about will really remove everythinf of GNOME. Think twice if you really want that, OK? |
| 09:28.13 | johnny66 | Im running sid and wondering if it would be an issue for me to add a ubuntu/koala apt source to my sources.list? |
| 09:28.17 | babilen | ansu: have fun |
| 09:28.38 | babilen | johnny66: yes |
| 09:29.04 | ansu | Babilen, :) |
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| 09:30.27 | johnny66 | babilen, since koala is based on a sid freeze that is a couple of months back, apt wouldent lift in packages that has been replaced? What would be my issue otherwise? |
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| 09:32.34 | cityLights | hi |
| 09:32.38 | babilen | johnny66: I don't know exactly, but Ubuntu <latest> and Debian sid will diverge eventually (and i guess quite fast) that mixing them is not a good idea. Why would you want to do that anyway? |
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| 09:33.20 | cityLights | is there a way to upgrade the version of avahi on my system? |
| 09:33.29 | babilen | johnny66: But try it. You will see were it breaks and can write about it. Note however that neither Ubuntu, sid nor a mix of that is supported in this channel. |
| 09:33.41 | cityLights | I am tring to get pidgin bonjour to work and have problems |
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| 09:34.11 | johnny66 | babilen, I would like to lift in xbmc, ive tried building it from git but i have a build error that i cant get past (i added a report on their forum aswell - but no response) |
| 09:34.13 | cityLights | I am using ubuntu there (sorry) but how may I install the newer avahi packages? |
| 09:34.37 | babilen | cityLights: What are you trying to do exactly? Upgrade avahi to a newer version than that in the repo? |
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| 09:34.54 | babilen | !tell cityLights -about ubuntu |
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| 09:35.35 | cityLights | babilem: o |
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| 09:35.50 | babilen | !tell cityLights -about bpo |
| 09:35.53 | babilen | !tell cityLights -about ssb |
| 09:35.53 | cityLights | o ok , I like the debian guys more , so I asked here |
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| 09:36.37 | cityLights | let me then ask this in the theoretic sense, as in "how to solve this kind of problem" |
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| 09:36.40 | babilen | cityLights: The problem is, that although knowledge is transferable, I doubt that thinks like backports will help you on ubuntu. So ask the ubuntu guys on how to do this with *their* system. Icertainly don't know that :-) |
| 09:37.07 | nsanee | hello is there any way to make system wide 'mysql' command point to specific path? ex. I type 'mysql' and it runs /opt/lampp/bin/mysql ? |
| 09:37.19 | babilen | cityLights: dpkg told you about your options. If everyhting else fails you have to compile the software from source and request support from the original authors. |
| 09:37.41 | babilen | cityLights: dpkg told you about your options *on Debian* ... |
| 09:37.44 | KnuckOne | nsanee: 'ln -s /opt/lampp/bin/mysql /usr/bin/mysql' ? |
| 09:37.55 | cityLights | o ok, bye then |
| 09:38.42 | babilen | johnny66: I would really not mix Debian + Ubuntu ... Use one or the other. If you need help with xbmc wait for the devs to help you. |
| 09:38.46 | nsanee | KnuckOne: ln: creating symbolic link `/usr/bin/mysql': File exists |
| 09:39.22 | KnuckOne | nsanee: oh i see, you have also mysql-client installed ! |
| 09:39.23 | johnny66 | babilen, thanks for your time, i appreciate it. |
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| 09:40.44 | nsanee | KnuckOne: well since I use lampp, guess it won't hurt to just rm /usr/bin/mysql right? |
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| 09:41.22 | KnuckOne | removing the package is the clean way to do it if you don't use the Debian mysql client |
| 09:41.44 | nsanee | KnuckOne: ok, thanks |
| 09:42.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | just rm it? *eep* |
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| 09:53.13 | peleg | Heya. In Evolution, every time I switch to "offline mode" it tries to synchronize something for offline-mode, and it takes ages. In the past, it asked me whether I want to synchronize or not. |
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| 09:53.51 | peleg | Well, I told it "don't ask me any more", and hoped it will NOT synchronize from now on, but the exact opposite happened. Now, I don't know how to tell it to ask again... Any ideas? |
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| 10:01.26 | ansu | i was trying to apt-get install synaptic, but it asks for debian cd.why does this happen |
| 10:01.50 | simonrvn | comment the thing out in your sources.list ... |
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| 10:09.16 | ansu | my tiuchpad isnt working, i think synaptics will do. what is command line for it |
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| 10:10.50 | ansu | Touchpad |
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| 10:14.50 | nixot | Hey all |
| 10:15.33 | cast | hey |
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| 10:16.37 | Caelum | is there any way to get the .so for flash player 9, rather than 10? |
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| 10:18.12 | nixot1 | and I can only get it to run by typing ./firefox-bin as root |
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| 10:18.19 | remote | Caelum: yes, download it |
| 10:18.35 | Caelum | remote: where? |
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| 10:18.37 | nixot1 | it's really annoying because I need to type a password every time I use it |
| 10:18.58 | nixot1 | why is this happening? |
| 10:19.25 | Caelum | nixot1: you didn't say what is happening |
| 10:19.53 | nixot1 | this also happened in firefox |
| 10:20.00 | nixot1 | Well... I open the iceweasel menu entry |
| 10:20.09 | nixot1 | and the bouncing logo just appears forever then disappears |
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| 10:20.37 | nixot1 | when I open iceweasel in a terminal, nothing happens, it just waits for a while then returns to the prompt |
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| 10:20.46 | nixot1 | When I open ./firefox-bin, the same thing happens |
| 10:20.59 | benjamindees | any suggestions for running a bash script in the background as a gnome applet? |
| 10:21.01 | nixot1 | only when I run firefox-bin as root does it work |
| 10:21.24 | cast | nixot1: strace it? |
| 10:21.34 | cast | nixot1: or, trace it, somehow |
| 10:21.38 | Caelum | nixot1: try backing up and removing your ~/.mozilla |
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| 10:24.16 | peleg | Anyone knows how can I cancel the synchronization for offline-mode ("work offline") in Evolution? |
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| 10:25.04 | nixot | sorry, my internet dropped out |
| 10:25.12 | Caelum | nixot1: try backing up and removing your ~/.mozilla |
| 10:25.27 | nixot | Caelum: so should I chmod or sudo remove it? |
| 10:25.59 | nixot | "Cannot remove /home/nixot/.mozilla: Permission denied." |
| 10:26.07 | Caelum | nixot: sudo rm -rf it |
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| 10:27.18 | cast | sudo? |
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| 10:29.51 | nixot | OK |
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| 10:30.07 | nixot | Done |
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| 10:30.59 | nixot | And now to open Iceweasel! |
| 10:31.19 | nixot | YAOOOYYYYY!" IT WORKED! |
| 10:31.26 | nixot | Thank you, Cast and Caelum! |
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| 10:38.12 | ansu | hii, i did cat /proc/bus/input/devices, but it doesnt show my touchpad. :(. what shud i do |
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| 10:40.43 | tuxcrafter | hi all i am trying to debug some routing issues |
| 10:40.56 | tuxcrafter | i can' ping my machine |
| 10:41.12 | tuxcrafter | i am trying to use tcpdump to see what is going wrong |
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| 10:46.56 | casperin | I'm trying to put a netinst iso on a usb drive using this guide I found. But I keep getting a permission denied on this command: zcat /path/to/boot.img.gz > /dev/sdz even though I'm su. Why? |
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| 10:47.36 | casperin | (yes, I changed sdz to sdb) |
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| 10:53.35 | nielsle | Is there a standard tag for isinstance? I have a class named event which is subclassed by a lot of models. Now I want to print out a list of events. |
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| 10:54.45 | nielsle | Everything works nicely as solng as I use __unicode__ (because the base class has a content type field), but I would like to have a specialized template snippet for printing out each event. |
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| 10:55.17 | nielsle | thinks xchat needs ispell :) |
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| 10:56.02 | ansu | What is the edit command to use in console, i just broke my gui editing xorg.conf. How can i edit it. Gedit cannot be used |
| 10:56.26 | cast | editor |
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| 10:57.36 | nielsle | ansu: try nano, joe, emacs or vi. If you get stuck in vi, then write ctrl-alt-f2. Then log in and write killall -9 vi |
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| 10:57.48 | ansu | how can i restart xorg |
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| 10:58.18 | nielsle | ansu: You are in the wrong group. Join #linux-help |
| 10:58.29 | cast | just alt-f2 would do |
| 10:58.49 | cast | or <esc><esc><esc>:q! would do |
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| 11:00.09 | ansu | Cast, alt-f2 wouldnt do. It just refreshes console |
| 11:00.40 | nielsle | Hmm it looks like I was in the wrong group... sorry about the linux-help comment... |
| 11:01.20 | cast | alt f2 would switch from ttyN to tty2 |
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| 11:01.45 | cast | ctrl-alt-f2 would be needed to get from X to tty2 |
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| 11:02.36 | ansu | how can i restart xorg and get back to gui |
| 11:03.04 | cast | startx is the traditional way |
| 11:03.32 | ansu | cast, yup it worked.thanks |
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| 11:05.30 | ansu | I installed gsynaptics, but it asks to change SHMConfig to true in xorg.conf. my touchpad is acting weird all the time . It doesnt respond well . What shud i do |
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| 11:07.59 | cast | nfi. |
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| 11:09.18 | weirdo | hey, got a way to get rid of pulseaudio once and for all? |
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| 11:09.42 | weirdo | it's in lib/ as well as lib32/ and causes all sorts of problems |
| 11:09.59 | weirdo | removing it won't do, it'll appear again and again and again |
| 11:10.16 | cast | and why will it appear again? |
| 11:10.20 | cast | doesn't have it |
| 11:10.49 | weirdo | cast, upgrading a libpulse package will make it regenerate /lib |
| 11:11.04 | weirdo | and i can't remove libpulse lest all sound-related programs whine about a dependency |
| 11:12.47 | weirdo | meow? |
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| 11:15.06 | ojo | hey you guy's, I have an external audio card Creative Audigy 2 NX but I can't get sound out of it. The pulseaudio volume meter tells me otherwise. Any ideas? |
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| 11:15.11 | hikenboot | how do i determine the amount of space left on a file system (ext3) inside an lvm2 logical volume? |
| 11:15.29 | cast | aside from df? |
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| 11:16.30 | hikenboot | sudo df /dev/SystemVol/stuff <---tells e the space available on /dev |
| 11:17.15 | cast | what the fuck is with people using sudo, and pointlessly in this case |
| 11:17.23 | cast | sudo echo ffs |
| 11:17.25 | cast | :| |
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| 11:17.46 | hikenboot | cast i figured it out have to use /dev/mapper/Sysvol-stuff |
| 11:18.20 | cast | and what does just df say |
| 11:21.02 | weirdo | ojo, alsamixer |
| 11:21.07 | cast | [222507] [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from hikenboot: xchat 2.8.6 Ubuntu |
| 11:21.11 | cast | ahh. i see the problem. |
| 11:21.23 | weirdo | ojo, alsa-utils |
| 11:21.47 | weirdo | sudo sh -c true :< |
| 11:22.20 | weirdo | hikenboot, df -h if it's mounted |
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| 11:22.49 | cast | and if it's not, df is of no help, one can use tune2fs instead |
| 11:22.55 | hikenboot | wierdo, thanks |
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| 11:24.31 | jaggz | is 5mb/s proper to read from usb? |
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| 11:24.36 | jaggz | transferring from a camera over a nice thick usb cable |
| 11:24.38 | cast | it can be. |
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| 12:03.17 | saulus | How is the name of the program that helps you after a key-signing party by recognizing the 2d-barcode (data-matrix-code) to identify the keys you got? |
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| 12:06.14 | SPF | I'm trying to build a driver. But I guess I miss a package |
| 12:06.24 | SPF | http://pastebin.com/d44e67f12 |
| 12:06.34 | SPF | make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.26-1-amd64/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
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| 12:08.02 | GattoDiSchroding | why is grub2 a shit? |
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| 12:12.18 | lmaowaffle | GattoDiSchroding: what's wrong? |
| 12:12.30 | lmaowaffle | GattoDiSchroding: I went back to legacy for a few reasons |
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| 12:12.41 | lmaowaffle | I hope I'm not force to migrate to the newer one |
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| 12:13.47 | GattoDiSchroding | i went back too legacy too |
| 12:14.14 | GattoDiSchroding | the old grub is easy to configure and is faster |
| 12:14.32 | GattoDiSchroding | grub 2 take about 10 seconds to boot on my system |
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| 12:15.17 | lmaowaffle | GattoDiSchroding: yeah, but I don't know how to clean up my /boot/grub anymore |
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| 12:15.22 | lmaowaffle | it's full of grub2-related files |
| 12:15.29 | lmaowaffle | I've removed the *.mod |
| 12:17.13 | lmaowaffle | maybe the .o files too? can anyone else on grub-legacy confirm /boot/grub/ contents? here's mine: http://paste2.org/p/559914 |
| 12:17.37 | lmaowaffle | grub.cfg for sure, at least |
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| 12:17.47 | GattoDiSchroding | Yes, even my /boot/grub is full of old file.mod :| |
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| 12:19.51 | GattoDiSchroding | http://pastebin.ca/1713111 |
| 12:21.02 | GattoDiSchroding | every time something works really well they change it |
| 12:21.18 | lmaowaffle | yeah, get rid of the .mod files |
| 12:21.36 | lmaowaffle | also, .o, and .img |
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| 12:28.43 | Miouge | how does bigmeme kernel can use more than 4GB of RAM ? |
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| 12:29.51 | ootput | lmaowaffle: you could always backup /boot elsewhere, remake the partition, and re-install grub-legacy |
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| 12:30.05 | ootput | grub-install /dev/<whichever> will recreate grub directory |
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| 12:31.15 | lmaowaffle | ootput: yeah I've thought about that |
| 12:31.46 | ootput | for reference, here's mine http://paste2.org/p/559921 |
| 12:32.04 | ootput | so backup those files, and remove the rest |
| 12:32.22 | ootput | or follow my previous suggestion |
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| 12:36.32 | endri | hi i want to share my screen with my friends. I have a debian server accessible remotely. is there a way I can use this to make them share my screen |
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| 12:39.49 | nkuttler | endri: your display? |
| 12:39.58 | endri | yes |
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| 12:40.20 | nkuttler | vnc can do that |
| 12:40.48 | endri | do you need to have a fast internet connection? |
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| 12:41.28 | endri | i mean the ones that are seein the display might need a fast internet connection |
| 12:41.36 | nkuttler | i guess it would be sluggish on 56k, but there are some compression algos afaik |
| 12:41.52 | lmaowaffle | endri: do you only want to share terminal output? |
| 12:42.14 | nkuttler | if it's just text, use gnu screen |
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| 12:42.29 | endri | no i want to share a spreadsheet |
| 12:42.47 | endri | i did not find any tool |
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| 12:42.59 | endri | for text there is gobby too |
| 12:42.59 | kramerz | use google docs/google wave ? |
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| 12:44.40 | lmaowaffle | is google wave usable yet? |
| 12:45.29 | endri | lmaowaffle can they see the changes realtime??? |
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| 12:46.02 | f00li5h[HireMe] | how would I downgrade the current version of postgresql? |
| 12:46.25 | lmaowaffle | endri: dunno. haven't even signed up to it yet |
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| 12:47.32 | TrueDecko | wtb anti ddos guide |
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| 12:49.10 | valdyn | wts google |
| 12:53.46 | TrueDecko | valdyn, it is not useful |
| 12:53.47 | TrueDecko | at all |
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| 12:55.42 | lmaowaffle | TrueDecko: http://nix101.com/category/antiddos/ |
| 12:55.54 | lmaowaffle | read from first to last |
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| 13:01.56 | lmaowaffle | does apt-get install -f take care of missing dependencies, or is there something more complex to be executed? |
| 13:02.11 | abrotman | it has a man page ? |
| 13:02.31 | lmaowaffle | it has? |
| 13:02.56 | lmaowaffle | it just doesn't seem to be processor-intensive |
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| 13:03.04 | lmaowaffle | must be a very quick lookup |
| 13:04.03 | abrotman | you should be using aptitude ? |
| 13:04.50 | lmaowaffle | I will? |
| 13:05.13 | lmaowaffle | :) |
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| 13:06.47 | TrueDecko | lmaowaffle |
| 13:06.55 | TrueDecko | should i install barf to avoid ddos? |
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| 13:07.21 | abrotman | what kind of "DDoS" ? |
| 13:07.23 | NiLon | TrueDecko you can install anything you like but nothing will help against ddos :P |
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| 13:07.34 | TrueDecko | nilon smth should help |
| 13:07.39 | NiLon | nope |
| 13:07.45 | TrueDecko | abrotman, dunno, server just crashes |
| 13:07.57 | NiLon | nothing helps |
| 13:08.00 | abrotman | uh .. so how do you know it's a DDoS ? |
| 13:08.17 | TrueDecko | on other pc server works fine |
| 13:08.29 | lmaowaffle | TrueDecko: what do your logs say? |
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| 13:08.43 | NiLon | you can only do first aid and cut network so that your server won't get insane load if it's not configured to be a server |
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| 13:08.54 | NiLon | but effect is same whatever you do |
| 13:09.33 | TrueDecko | 12:25:38 TimerThread stop with following error. restart it. |
| 13:09.33 | TrueDecko | Exception in thread "Normal Packet Pool-1" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java hea$ |
| 13:09.33 | TrueDecko | Exception in thread "GameTimeController" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhea$ |
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| 13:10.52 | abrotman | yeah .. seems like a DDoS .. whatever .. |
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| 13:12.44 | TrueDecko | so how i can just avoid ddos? |
| 13:12.52 | TrueDecko | i need ports 2106 7777 and 3306 to be opened |
| 13:12.59 | TrueDecko | using le |
| 13:13.02 | TrueDecko | lenny* |
| 13:14.12 | NiLon | you can't avoid it :P |
| 13:14.33 | bzed | you can! |
| 13:14.38 | bzed | unplug the network cable |
| 13:14.40 | NiLon | there is absolute nothing you can do against it if you are connected to internet |
| 13:14.43 | rgr | TrueDecko: asking how you can avoid ddos is like asking how you can avoid someone swinging a hammer at you while you are chained to a wall. You cant. |
| 13:15.34 | rgr | its like being in a crowded room and everyone shouting at you. You wont be able to decipher or deal with all the info. All you can do is plug your ears. or inplug the network cable in your case. |
| 13:15.43 | NiLon | ok, there's one thing if you can read peoples mind and time travel |
| 13:15.45 | rgr | unplug even. |
| 13:17.51 | TrueDecko | shit |
| 13:18.00 | TrueDecko | it must be way |
| 13:18.07 | TrueDecko | to lower damage |
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| 13:18.32 | TrueDecko | mysql db crashed again |
| 13:19.21 | sidewalk | !hppa |
| 13:19.22 | dpkg | [pa-risc] http://www.parisc-linux.org, or #parisc on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:19.47 | sidewalk | are there any good guides/howtos on netboots for hppa, i have a c3600 which i want to run debian on |
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| 13:20.05 | ali3n | i get an error when doing apt-get update >>> its at http://pastebin.localcoast.org/index.php/view/6824810 |
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| 13:22.38 | abrotman | ali3n: aptitude install debian-archive-keyring |
| 13:22.59 | abrotman | sidewalk: did you check the installation manual ? |
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| 13:23.28 | ali3n | thanks abrotman :) |
| 13:23.41 | Robert_L_Straitt | how do I remove a kernel that was mistakenly installed? |
| 13:24.09 | ali3n | woowhoooo fixed :D |
| 13:24.22 | abrotman | Robert_L_Straitt: installed how ? |
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| 13:24.53 | ali3n | !b.e |
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| 13:25.05 | ali3n | i need the build esstianls command :P |
| 13:25.16 | abrotman | !b-e ali3n |
| 13:25.16 | dpkg | ali3n: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 13:25.17 | ali3n | <<< sucks at spelling |
| 13:25.19 | ali3n | thanks :D |
| 13:25.31 | Robert_L_Straitt | well when I installed the drivers for my web-cam I typed the wrong package name into Apt-get and it installed both the -2.6.26-2-vserver-686 kernel and the corresponding gspca packages |
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| 13:29.27 | abrotman | Robert_L_Straitt: so use aptitude to remove them |
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| 13:30.35 | Robert_L_Straitt | you can remove kernels with aptitude? |
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| 13:31.24 | abrotman | you can install them too! |
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| 13:33.08 | Robert_L_Straitt | nifty...here I've been installing kernels from source for the last 2 years. D= |
| 13:33.27 | ali3n | im having a blonde moment, how do you untar a .tbz2 file? |
| 13:33.51 | abrotman | tar -xjf foo.tar.bz2 |
| 13:33.57 | ali3n | i idd that hmmm |
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| 13:34.14 | Robert_L_Straitt | crosses fingers |
| 13:34.15 | ali3n | thats weird |
| 13:34.17 | ali3n | it worked lol |
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| 13:35.50 | Robert_L_Straitt | uhm, I got a big warning when I tried to remove the vserver kernel |
| 13:36.08 | ali3n | configure: error: could not locate a suitable parser generator; install bison, yacc, or byacc |
| 13:36.10 | Robert_L_Straitt | I have the 6.26-2-686 kernel installed, can I ignore this warning? |
| 13:36.17 | ali3n | is that apt-get install bison? |
| 13:36.26 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 13:36.39 | abrotman | Robert_L_Straitt: as long as your bootloader is configured to boot it when you finish removing it |
| 13:37.12 | Robert_L_Straitt | be right back, I'm going to boot the other kernel and do this from there. (For some reason Vserver is the default....stupid grub) |
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| 13:40.18 | i37net | hi everyone. i have a vps with 256mb ram. i want to host a php website on it with a database. i was wondering which db will make the most of my limited ram and cpu. any sugestions? |
| 13:41.20 | i37net | oh, forgot to say the vps is running lenny5. |
| 13:41.32 | f00li5h[HireMe] | where does MediaWiki keep it's non-database content? |
| 13:41.33 | sirob | i37net: most of the known open source cms work with mysql, show you don't have many options |
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| 13:42.26 | abrotman | i37net: sqlite if you have no other applicatoins requiring another DB |
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| 13:43.41 | i37net | no i dont, the website is quite basic. will sqlite give me better performance? |
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| 13:44.19 | amee2k | hm... how can i low-level format a 2.66MB floppy under linux? |
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| 13:46.25 | sidewalk | !netboot |
| 13:46.26 | dpkg | netboot is, like, a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network. Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead. See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>. |
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| 13:51.07 | Robert_L_Straitt | has anyone had any luck with philips webcams? My webcam broke with the uninstallation of the vserver kernel. I have the gspca modules installed for my kernel. |
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| 13:51.54 | Robert_L_Straitt | Oh nevermind |
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| 14:03.04 | Robert_L_Straitt | okay so now I have another web-cam related issue, http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i36/Crystal_Amaia/gccerrors/0001.jpg is how my photos/videos are turning out |
| 14:04.52 | Robert_L_Straitt | photo was taken with cheese |
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| 14:09.16 | ali3n | woot got a new domain |
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| 14:10.26 | setuid | which version of Debian is "lenny"? Stable? Testing? Other? |
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| 14:10.44 | ehnvis | stable |
| 14:12.08 | Robert_L_Straitt | camera works great in ekiga |
| 14:13.40 | setuid | What does "debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso" equate to? 5.0.3? |
| 14:15.15 | abrotman | no, squeeze/testing |
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| 14:18.26 | setuid | But what version number does it coincide with? |
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| 14:19.52 | abrotman | setuid: squeeze will be 6.0 i believe |
| 14:20.24 | setuid | Ok, just trying to create these vmware images with the right versionizing |
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| 14:23.05 | setuid | I guess I'll fetch them from ./release/ instead of daily |
| 14:23.09 | setuid | silly me |
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| 14:23.59 | abrotman | setuid: squeeze isn't released |
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| 14:25.18 | setuid | Right. I'm trying to model what I have installed at my hosting provider, so I can create a VM, copy all of my data into it, and get off of their services. They're completely inept and _dangerous_ as a provider. |
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| 14:25.44 | setuid | Is there any way to tell, other than looking at sources.list, what version of Debian I actually have installed? (i.e. by number, not stable/testing/unstable tag) |
| 14:27.05 | ehnvis | cat /etc/debian_version ? |
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| 14:27.38 | setuid | Looks like 5.0.3, good. |
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| 14:28.16 | Utopiah | hi, Im using lenny now but I want to use the latest bitlbee packaged, should I get the squeeze or the sid package? |
| 14:28.50 | Utopiah | (and yes, I need it because there is an important bugfix, updating the Yahoo! IM protocol) |
| 14:29.25 | rudi_s | !tell Utopiah about simple sid backport |
| 14:29.30 | rudi_s | (So use the sid package). |
| 14:29.51 | Utopiah | ok, I used some backports before, Ill check it, thanks rudi_s |
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| 14:30.12 | rudi_s | np |
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| 14:33.16 | Utopiah | (trying synaptic for the 1st time instead of apt-get) |
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| 14:37.31 | tuxcrafter | hoe krijg ik deze table leeg? |
| 14:37.33 | tuxcrafter | http://debian.pastebin.com/d35061476 |
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| 14:38.43 | tuxcrafter | nevermind |
| 14:38.46 | mrbob009 | how do i install kde4 on lenny (via backports???) , can it be called stable? |
| 14:38.47 | tuxcrafter | i got it empty |
| 14:39.13 | mrbob009 | !kde4 |
| 14:39.13 | dpkg | i heard kde 4 is the version of <KDE> that you will find in Squeeze. Because KDE 4 is so new, you might get more assistance in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net. Backports of older versions for lenny are available from http://kde4.debian.net/ See also <kde squeeze>. |
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| 14:40.07 | d1b | mrbob009: kde4 doesnt really work well in lenny .... |
| 14:40.13 | mrbob009 | ow |
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| 14:40.32 | d1b | id try on irc.oftc.net. in #debian-kde as per the bot's comment. |
| 14:40.33 | mrbob009 | well, the lenny kernel works really well with my lappy |
| 14:40.49 | mrbob009 | so im not gonnna shift distro just for that... |
| 14:41.08 | mrbob009 | im a Qt fan, Qt-fans dont run gtk- gnome |
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| 14:41.36 | d1b | mrbob009: mm? |
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| 14:42.29 | mrbob009 | mm? |
| 14:42.36 | d1b | mrbob009: when i say doesn't work well, i mean you have to upgrade a whole lot of stable packages to testing. |
| 14:42.40 | d1b | like libc6 iirc. |
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| 14:42.54 | mrbob009 | no good... |
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| 14:43.38 | chilli0 | Hello if im running debian in cli under a vm And i have a web server in it how can the host see it ? |
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| 14:44.40 | AimHere | Stick http://127.0.0.1 into his text-only browser of choice? |
| 14:44.44 | AimHere | links/links2/lynx? |
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| 14:45.20 | chilli0 | AimHere, No , debian is in the vm |
| 14:45.25 | mrbob009 | chilli0, and the host os is running? > and the vm provider is? |
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| 14:45.53 | chilli0 | Host == ubuntu and Virtual box |
| 14:46.21 | abrotman | what's the IP of the guest? |
| 14:46.41 | chilli0 | And also i get this when i log in , No directory, Logging in with HOME=/ |
| 14:46.43 | Utopiah | hmm I wonder if directly adding a sid rep in my (lenny) source list was a good idea, not it wants to upgrade stuff like libc o_0 |
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| 14:47.11 | abrotman | Utopiah: it's a *very bad* idea |
| 14:47.20 | abrotman | have fun with the broken bits |
| 14:47.45 | Utopiah | so how can I get http://packages.debian.org/sid/bitlbee then? |
| 14:47.53 | abrotman | !ssb |
| 14:47.53 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 14:47.58 | chilli0 | abrotman, Im new to debian , command for ip info ? |
| 14:48.15 | abrotman | same as every other linux ? |
| 14:48.31 | scorch | I'm trying to upgrade from lenny to squeeze, but apt fails and tells me I'm out of space "failed in buffer write, no space left on device", though I have 1.7 GiB left on /var? |
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| 14:48.43 | chilli0 | abrotman, ifconfig |
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| 14:49.03 | Utopiah | abrotman: yes but I didn't see any lenny-backport of it |
| 14:49.06 | mebus | Hallo! Can anyone let me know why I always get this: "Minimal BASH-like line editing si supported. for the first word, TAB lists possible commands completions. Anywhere else TAB lists possible completions of device/filename" before I see the GRUB Menu of GRUB2 when booting? |
| 14:49.13 | chilli0 | -bash ifconfig : command not found |
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| 14:49.47 | abrotman | Utopiah: maybe read that again |
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| 14:50.06 | abrotman | chilli0: not everything is in your path |
| 14:50.09 | ehnvis | chilli0: you need to give ifconfig as root or give the full path /sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:50.23 | Utopiah | ok trying |
| 14:50.43 | chilli0 | There is some thing wrong with it , how can i fix the path ? |
| 14:51.06 | abrotman | there's nothing wrong with it .. you're just used to a Linux that babies its users |
| 14:51.32 | chilli0 | Well i shouldnt have to use the path |
| 14:51.39 | abrotman | yes, you should |
| 14:52.06 | chilli0 | Most other people dont need to But there is something wrong |
| 14:52.12 | chilli0 | And also i get this when i log in , No directory, Logging in with HOME=/ |
| 14:52.24 | abrotman | your user is misconfigured ? |
| 14:52.34 | chilli0 | Just installed today |
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| 14:53.24 | AimHere | Then it's just misconfigured today |
| 14:53.28 | abrotman | and how did you create the user ? |
| 14:53.57 | chilli0 | During the install |
| 14:54.06 | abrotman | and it's a VM ? |
| 14:54.16 | chilli0 | Yes |
| 14:54.33 | abrotman | grep <theuserid> /etc/passwd |
| 14:54.36 | chilli0 | k |
| 14:55.24 | chilli0 | Ehh |
| 14:55.34 | chilli0 | Copy it all ? |
| 14:55.42 | chilli0 | ( gotta retype) |
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| 14:56.10 | AimHere | Just the line with your userid in it |
| 14:56.35 | chilli0 | chilli0:x:1000:000:My Name,,,:/home/chillli0:/bin/bash |
| 14:56.48 | abrotman | ls -ld /home/chilllio0/ ? |
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| 14:57.00 | abrotman | erm .. but spell it right |
| 14:57.07 | AimHere | How come your home directory has more 'l's in it than your userid? |
| 14:57.22 | chilli0 | Not sure ? |
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| 14:57.27 | chilli0 | Its not a typeo |
| 14:57.37 | chilli0 | And No such file or dir |
| 14:57.41 | abrotman | ls -ld /home/chillli0/ ? |
| 14:57.43 | AimHere | Does the directory /home/chilli0 exist? |
| 14:57.53 | chilli0 | Yes |
| 14:58.13 | AimHere | So I'd get out a text editor, and carefully correct that line |
| 14:58.31 | AimHere | And how your install managed to break like that puzzles me |
| 14:58.42 | chilli0 | Whats the config i gotta change ? |
| 14:58.56 | AimHere | /etc/passwd |
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| 14:59.03 | AimHere | chilli0:x:1000:000:My Name,,,:/home/chilli0:/bin/bash |
| 14:59.09 | AimHere | From what you posted to ^ |
| 14:59.12 | AimHere | One character change |
| 14:59.15 | chilli0 | And idk i may have made a typo when installing |
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| 14:59.53 | pm2 | Hi - I installed debian lenny on a relatively modern "hand-me-down" PC - its a 1.8GHz P4 with 1GB RAM. The machine seems to be running MUCH slower than it should be. The install process took several hours (just installing a base shell system to use as a firewall box), and using it from the commandline is still very slow. |
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| 15:00.01 | pm2 | Is there any good way to determine what's causing it to behave like this? This is a fresh install, only a couple days old, of a very basic system (bash, iptables, openvpn server, etc) |
| 15:00.17 | pm2 | I'm thinking it may be the disk - dd if=/dev/zero of=testfile bs=1M count=100 took 10.95 seconds on this box, and only 0.35 on another similarly powered box |
| 15:00.22 | chilli0 | AimHere, How do i save ? ( New to cli and viw) |
| 15:00.54 | chilli0 | AimHere, And should i add sbin ? |
| 15:01.00 | AimHere | Well if I remember vi, it's something like ':write!', but I'm an emacs user so I try to avoid knowing stuff like that |
| 15:01.04 | AimHere | And no |
| 15:01.12 | kyrie | I have a problem booting my system (lenny). My boot partition is a raid1 over /dev/sda1 and /dev/sdb1, and my root is on lvm over raid1 on /dev/sda2 and /dev/sdb2. Yesterday night I added a third disk to the arrays, and I rebooted when the sync finished. Now, the system won't boot: "mdadm: no devices for /dev/md0" (the same for /dev/md1), so it doesn't find the lvm group. When dropped into the initramfs shell, mdadm -A --scan fails, but mdadm -A /dev/mdX |
| 15:01.12 | kyrie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:01.50 | AimHere | pm2, You checked your hdparm settings? If DMA is off, that'll make your hard drive slow |
| 15:02.21 | pm2 | AimHere, I have not, let me take a look... |
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| 15:02.29 | lontra | why does dpkg lie to me? |
| 15:03.39 | AimHere | lontra, because you can't handle the truth! |
| 15:04.31 | lontra | someone running testing can you check something for me? apt-cache search googleearth-package ... do you see it? you need contrib fyi |
| 15:04.36 | pm2 | AimHere, hdparm shows that using_dma is on.. |
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| 15:07.00 | abrotman | judd: versions googleearth-package |
| 15:07.00 | judd | abrotman: googleearth-package -- etch/contrib: 0.0.4 lenny/contrib: 0.5.4 sid/contrib: 0.5.4 squeeze/contrib: 0.5.6 sid/contrib: 0.5.7 |
| 15:07.23 | lontra | judd is a liar! |
| 15:07.25 | judd | lontra: Error: "is" is not a valid command. |
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| 15:07.51 | Robert_L_Straitt | If I wanted to make a live cd of the way my distro is currently configured (minus the fglrx drivers) where should I look for instruction? |
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| 15:07.57 | lontra | apt-cache search googleearth-package gets me nothing |
| 15:08.15 | NoCode | Yeah same. |
| 15:08.18 | lontra | and i have contrib ... deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ squeeze main contrib non-free |
| 15:08.38 | abrotman | lontra: aptitude update ? |
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| 15:09.24 | lontra | abrotman: aptitude up-to-date |
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| 15:10.22 | ali3n | hey abrotman i need the zlib package again |
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| 15:11.00 | jhutchins_lt | My LTSP session does not have the "Switch User" option in the menu, but my laptop installation does. Is there a way to fix that? |
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| 15:12.25 | NoCode | apt-cache search google* doesn't show anything pertaining to googleearth-* |
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| 15:13.54 | chilli0 | abrotman, Its 127.0.0.1 |
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| 15:17.38 | abrotman | !tell ali3n about search |
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| 15:17.45 | ali3n | i found it :P |
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| 15:19.16 | chilli0 | Arrr |
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| 15:19.47 | chilli0 | Root isnt letting me use sudo , Its usinc the default config |
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| 15:20.21 | chilli0 | Got it |
| 15:20.36 | NoCode | !tell chilli0 about sudo |
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| 15:23.59 | jhutchins_lt | NoCode: That is because google earth is not a Debian package. |
| 15:24.22 | chilli0 | How can i see the VM's site from the host ? |
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| 15:24.46 | ale-x | hi! |
| 15:25.06 | NoCode | jhutchins, Oh okay. lontra, read what jhutchins said. |
| 15:25.39 | ale-x | I saw that new xorg packages in experimental don't have hal support any more |
| 15:25.45 | Tw33k^|Zzz | real men su - |
| 15:25.53 | themill | ummm... yes i is, googleearth-package is in squeeze. |
| 15:26.02 | Utopiah | abrotman: yeay, update worked, does it mean I kind of made my own backport package? |
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| 15:26.13 | abrotman | if you did it correctly, yes |
| 15:26.33 | Utopiah | well, the new daemon is running so I guess it worked |
| 15:27.05 | chilli0 | abrotman, How can i see the vms server from host ? ( ip is 127.0.0.1{ |
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| 15:27.57 | abrotman | that's not the IP |
| 15:28.29 | Utopiah | thanks rudi_s and abrotman for the help |
| 15:28.36 | chilli0 | Im afraid thats what it safs the inet addr is |
| 15:28.40 | rudi_s | np |
| 15:28.43 | abrotman | for which device? |
| 15:28.45 | *** part/#debian Utopiah (n=libre@rps7452.ovh.net) |
| 15:28.58 | chilli0 | abrotman, There is only one lo |
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| 15:29.11 | abrotman | then that's not it |
| 15:29.52 | chilli0 | I get the same result under root |
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| 15:30.16 | abrotman | chilli0: there's no device that is publicly routable .. you need to add a network device to your VM |
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| 15:30.55 | chilli0 | I have a nat PCnet one |
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| 15:31.03 | chilli0 | And it does connect to the net |
| 15:31.25 | abrotman | then the IP of that device is not 127.0.0.1 |
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| 15:31.51 | chilli0 | It doesnt connect nm |
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| 15:32.17 | chilli0 | * Not sure how i downloaded a few programs * |
| 15:32.31 | chilli0 | abrotman, How do i connect to it? |
| 15:32.49 | abrotman | is there an eth0 on the VM or not ? |
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| 15:33.16 | chilli0 | abrotman, How do i know ? |
| 15:33.25 | abrotman | /sbin/ifconfig -a |
| 15:33.40 | chilli0 | On the host ? |
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| 15:35.14 | chilli0 | abrotman, I have eth2 and eth1 |
| 15:35.27 | abrotman | so what IPs do they have ? |
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| 15:35.35 | chilli0 | abrotman, None |
| 15:36.39 | paissad-hp | hi to all |
| 15:36.46 | chilli0 | http://imagebin.ca/view/FvzNy9i2.html Thats what it looks like |
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| 15:37.54 | paissad-hp | i add these 2 lines on my sources.list, i updated, but when i do aptitude show vlc | grep -i version .... i still see the same version as before i added the 2 repositories for sid-vlc |
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| 15:38.04 | paissad-hp | deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main |
| 15:38.04 | paissad-hp | deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main |
| 15:38.15 | paissad-hp | how can i solve that ? |
| 15:38.18 | benjamindees | my synaptics touchpad is driving me nuts in Lenny |
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| 15:39.41 | benjamindees | double-click, drag, then let go --> results in second double-click |
| 15:39.53 | lontra | i am running make-googleearth-package and it's complaining that it can't find library libgcc_s.so.1 ... however i have gcc-4.4 installed so i am dumbfounded |
| 15:41.03 | benjamindees | gcc doesn't appear to depend on libgcc |
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| 15:41.57 | lontra | benjamindees: i have ... /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4/libgcc_s.so |
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| 15:42.51 | themill | judd depends gcc-4.4 --release sid |
| 15:42.51 | judd | themill: gcc-4.4 -- Depends: gcc-4.4-base (= 4.4.2-4), cpp-4.4 (= 4.4.2-4), binutils (>= 2.20), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.4.2-4), libgomp1 (>= 4.4.2-4), libc6 (>= 2.7) |
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| 15:45.55 | xoz | lontra: install libgcc1 |
| 15:46.36 | Tw33k^ | is there a way to mask out updates? |
| 15:46.49 | themill | !wayttd Tw33k^ |
| 15:46.49 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Tw33k^? |
| 15:46.56 | Tw33k^ | i.e. debian update manager is attempting to update to kernel 2.6.30, while i'm already running 2.6.32 |
| 15:47.01 | chilli0 | abrotman, Can ya help ploase ? |
| 15:47.01 | Tw33k^ | i want it to stop making that available |
| 15:47.17 | lontra | xoz: already installed |
| 15:47.20 | abrotman | help you what? |
| 15:47.31 | NoCode | Is 2.6.32 out for Squeeze yet? I want to run it. :( |
| 15:47.38 | abrotman | chilli0: hint ... if oyu want me to see something, prefix my nick |
| 15:47.40 | abrotman | NoCode: no |
| 15:47.41 | lontra | NoCode: no |
| 15:47.59 | themill | Tw33k^: uninstall the kernel metapackages that you have installed. "aptitude search ~nlinux-image~i " to see what you've got installed |
| 15:48.01 | chilli0 | abrotman, With getting the networking , I sent u a screenie it has no ip |
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| 15:48.14 | chilli0 | abrotman http://imagebin.ca/view/FvzNy9i2.html |
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| 15:48.25 | NoCode | I wish there was a blog post out there about compile the 2.6.32 kernel in Squeeze. |
| 15:48.26 | Tw33k^ | themill: i'd like to leave them there for recovery if needed |
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| 15:48.44 | Tw33k^ | themill: i've got etchnhalf kernel and a few custom ones |
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| 15:48.50 | Tw33k^ | i'd like to leave the debian kernel available |
| 15:48.52 | themill | Tw33k^: so why would you not want the most recent bugfix to that kernel? |
| 15:49.03 | lontra | NoCode: do you need 2.6.32? |
| 15:49.03 | paissad-hp | i add these 2 lines on my sources.list, i updated, but when i do aptitude show vlc | grep -i version .... i still see the same version as before i added the 2 repositories for sid-vlc |
| 15:49.06 | paissad-hp | deb http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main |
| 15:49.09 | paissad-hp | deb-src http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/debian sid main |
| 15:49.10 | Tw33k^ | themill: because even my 2.6.24 is patched |
| 15:49.11 | Tw33k^ | lol |
| 15:49.12 | paissad-hp | how can i solve that ? |
| 15:49.25 | Tw33k^ | so theres no way to mask an update? |
| 15:49.44 | themill | paissad-hp: use "apt-cache policy vlc" instead |
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| 15:49.49 | Tw33k^ | can i tell aptitude to ignore *2.6.30* |
| 15:49.57 | themill | Tw33k^: there is, but I'm not convinced that you really want to do that. /msg dpkg hold |
| 15:50.02 | Tw33k^ | i do |
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| 15:50.06 | NoCode | lontra, Yeah, I'd like to try it out. |
| 15:50.08 | Tw33k^ | i'm a convert from gentoo |
| 15:50.13 | Tw33k^ | i like masking packages |
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| 15:50.15 | filosofo | How do I change the man pages viewer so I can do things like search, page up and down, etc.? |
| 15:50.27 | themill | Tw33k^: so using gentoo makes you like to use old, vulnerable kernels does it? yay. |
| 15:50.37 | Tw33k^ | :| |
| 15:50.40 | Tw33k^ | 2/10 |
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| 15:50.47 | Tw33k^ | Linux jdub-thinkpad 2.6.32 #1 SMP Wed Dec 9 22:58:26 EST 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:50.50 | Tw33k^ | old? |
| 15:50.59 | abrotman | chilli0: man interfaces .. configure them |
| 15:52.10 | paissad-hp | themill, LANG=C apt-cache policy vlc | pastebinit - |
| 15:52.10 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f1bbfbf49 |
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| 15:52.45 | Absolute0 | I am trying to delete all lines in all files with "Jon" in them, |
| 15:52.53 | Absolute0 | find -name *java -exec grep -i "/Jon/d" {} \; |
| 15:52.57 | Absolute0 | That doesn't work |
| 15:52.58 | benjamindees | excellent. I don't know what all I disabled but something seems to have done the trick. |
| 15:53.05 | paissad-hp | themill, i see the same version i got before, and i don't sid on the result |
| 15:53.07 | themill | paissad-hp: *shrug* you're the one telling me that the repository in question has vlc in it. It appears not to. |
| 15:53.07 | Absolute0 | find -name *java -exec grep "Jon" {} \; <-- returns 4 results |
| 15:53.26 | Absolute0 | grep :D |
| 15:53.35 | Absolute0 | i am an idiot |
| 15:53.36 | Absolute0 | sorry |
| 15:53.36 | paissad-hp | themill, http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html |
| 15:54.00 | mns | I've got a samba server which has a printer attached to it. I'm trying to get a winxp laptop to use the HP printer, but it keeps wanting the driver for it. I've also got CUPS on that samba server. Anyway to install the printer on WinXP without getting the drivers ? I would think it just passes the print job to the samba server and then let that handle it, no ? |
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| 15:54.50 | themill | paissad-hp: mixing lenny and sid is going to end in tears anyway, you understand that, don't you |
| 15:55.17 | paissad-hp | themill, yes i understand that, but i rarely do it, |
| 15:55.29 | paissad-hp | but the lenny version does not work for me |
| 15:55.38 | paissad-hp | i try sid's one |
| 15:55.40 | paissad-hp | :/ |
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| 15:56.08 | chilli0 | abrotman I read it but i dont really know how |
| 15:56.25 | abrotman | chilli0: dhclient eth1 .. does that work ? |
| 15:56.35 | themill | paissad-hp: that repository contains nothing that has changed in the last 5 years. |
| 15:56.48 | abrotman | i thought dmm had newer VLC ? |
| 15:56.59 | paissad-hp | themill, oh ok ... how do you know that ... so can i check myself next time |
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| 15:57.17 | themill | paissad-hp: follow the URL and look in the pool directory |
| 15:57.17 | chilli0 | abrotman, Its The primary network interface |
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| 15:57.36 | chilli0 | allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 15:57.52 | chilli0 | iface eth1 inet dhcp |
| 15:57.59 | paissad-hp | themill, got it |
| 15:58.01 | paissad-hp | thx |
| 15:58.02 | chilli0 | Is that correct ? |
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| 15:58.10 | abrotman | chilli0: is that what it says now ? |
| 15:58.17 | chilli0 | Yes |
| 15:58.33 | chilli0 | Do u want the lo also ? |
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| 15:59.57 | chilli0 | abrotman, Still no ip or anything in eth1 |
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| 16:00.18 | abrotman | chilli0: did you get any errors ? |
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| 16:00.33 | chilli0 | Not when i sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 16:01.35 | Led_Zeppelin | what package is /usr/bin/time on? |
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| 16:03.05 | arcsky | does cd1 includes gnome? |
| 16:03.18 | AimHere | /usr/bin/time is in 'time' |
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| 16:05.25 | abrotman | arcsky: it can |
| 16:05.31 | abrotman | chilli0: it either gets an IP or doesn't |
| 16:05.41 | arcsky | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 16:05.42 | arcsky | that one? |
| 16:05.53 | abrotman | yes, a large portion of gnome is on that |
| 16:06.02 | chilli0 | abrotman, So my config file is all good ? |
| 16:06.08 | arcsky | what on all other cd's? |
| 16:06.12 | abrotman | have i seen it ? |
| 16:06.16 | abrotman | !tell arcsky about cd contents |
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| 16:06.54 | chilli0 | abrotman, Yes |
| 16:07.01 | paissad-hp | what's the difference between Sid and Testing ? |
| 16:07.06 | abrotman | chilli0: when ? |
| 16:07.15 | abrotman | paissad-hp: sid is unstable, squeeze is testing |
| 16:07.18 | abrotman | !releases |
| 16:07.18 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
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| 16:07.33 | chilli0 | <chilli0> allow-hotplug eth1 |
| 16:07.34 | chilli0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.40 | chilli0 | <abrotman> chilli0: is that what it says now ? |
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| 16:07.50 | paissad-hp | abrotman, so generally, the next release is testing ? |
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| 16:08.08 | dw | hey there. how can i ask debian.org which packages depend on a source package? tried packages. and packages.qa. |
| 16:08.08 | abrotman | the next release is squeeze |
| 16:08.20 | abrotman | chilli0: and i asked you if 'dhclient eth1' works or gives an error |
| 16:08.43 | chilli0 | How do i knoww ? |
| 16:08.47 | paissad-hp | abrotman, yeah the next release, so what's the difference between squeeze and testing then ? |
| 16:08.52 | chilli0 | I said that i have never used cli before |
| 16:09.03 | chilli0 | This is it atm http://imagebin.ca/view/79Ja1C.html |
| 16:09.27 | abrotman | i gave you the command .. type it in .. try it |
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| 16:09.38 | abrotman | paissad-hp: squeeze will one day be 'stable' .. testing is always testing |
| 16:09.53 | paissad-hp | abrotman, got it now , thx |
| 16:10.02 | abrotman | you sure ? |
| 16:10.08 | paissad-hp | yes :) |
| 16:11.36 | chilli0 | abrotman, So ? |
| 16:11.44 | benjamindees | ubuntu bug #23251 exists in Lenny; workaround works for me :) |
| 16:12.08 | abrotman | chilli0: did it do anything? |
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| 16:12.27 | chilli0 | ahh did you read what i said ? |
| 16:12.37 | chilli0 | <abrotman> chilli0: and i asked you if 'dhclient eth1' works or gives an error |
| 16:12.37 | chilli0 | <chilli0> How do i knoww ? |
| 16:13.08 | AimHere | The way to know is to type it in and see |
| 16:13.14 | jhutchins_lt | See those words and numbers in the console? If the command does something, they change. |
| 16:13.24 | abrotman | chilli0: it should be obvious .. it should give output |
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| 16:14.05 | chilli0 | Looks like it worked |
| 16:14.16 | chilli0 | 10.0.2.2 |
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| 16:18.10 | TheBigDirtyEmu | Can anyone recommend a decent network capable laser printer to look for second hand? |
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| 16:20.05 | benjamindees | laserjet 4100 |
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| 16:20.49 | benjamindees | or 4100n I guess |
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| 16:22.41 | chilli0 | abrotman How can i make it run on startup |
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| 16:23.00 | abrotman | it should already |
| 16:23.07 | chilli0 | Ok cool |
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| 16:25.31 | chilli0 | abrotman Sorry for bit stupid , thanks for your help |
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| 16:28.40 | blubaustin | hello |
| 16:29.11 | Dassu | blubaustin: Terve |
| 16:29.19 | uva | is 4100 still available on market? |
| 16:29.51 | blubaustin | I was wondering how do I disable authentication on apt-get for the debian-installer cd |
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| 16:31.26 | abrotman | !tell blubaustin about 5% error |
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| 16:32.36 | blubaustin | thank you. |
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| 16:34.35 | benjamindees | uva, second hand :p |
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| 16:35.25 | benjamindees | ubuntu but 75600 also exists in Lenny. there should be an easy way to just confirm cross-distro bugs without having to file a report. :p |
| 16:35.35 | benjamindees | s/but/bug/ |
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| 16:36.31 | jhutchins_lt | TheBigDirtyEmu: I have a Brother I paid about $80 for new, uses far less energy than my ten-year-old laserjet did. |
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| 16:38.38 | TheBigDirtyEmu | jh: Have you got a model number? |
| 16:38.53 | cahoot | jhutchins: usable from linux? |
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| 16:44.27 | jhutchins_lt | cahoot: Yes, very usable, still on the original toner after several years too. |
| 16:44.40 | jhutchins_lt | (Checking model) |
| 16:44.40 | cahoot | jhutchins: ok thanks |
| 16:45.09 | jhutchins_lt | Cups says it's an HL20. |
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| 16:47.28 | maligor | I expect all the manufacturers phase out products quite fast |
| 16:51.05 | cahoot | maligor: but I notice Brother declares at least some printers as Linuxcompatible |
| 16:52.12 | maligor | so does samsung, and probably hp |
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| 16:53.22 | maligor | samsung even mentions 'debian' :P |
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| 17:04.29 | lontra | anyone know how i can get my ibm mouse keys to allow me to scroll down when i hold the left one down and hold the red button down? |
| 17:04.39 | lontra | wonders if that sounds slightly erotic |
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| 17:11.24 | valdyn | oki ships ppd files too |
| 17:11.39 | valdyn | or any printer that works on macs should work in linux i think |
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| 17:11.40 | icbm | Hi guys, I have no sound on my minimal debian install. I installed alsa & alsa-utils, then ran alsa-conf, but my sound still doesn't work. Sound worked out-of-the-box with Ubuntu. Can anyone help? |
| 17:12.14 | ehnvis | icbm: have you unmuted the volume and increased it for master and front (speaker)? |
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| 17:12.27 | valdyn | icbm: alsa-conf is useless |
| 17:12.44 | valdyn | icbm: install linux-sound-base, pick alsa, reboot , sound will work if your hardware is supported |
| 17:12.45 | lontra | icbm: did you try alsamixer |
| 17:13.13 | lontra | icbm: what version of ubuntu and what version of debian? lenny probably might not support the same hardware as the latest ubuntu |
| 17:13.17 | cahoot | how do you test sound? use speaker-test for basic test |
| 17:13.46 | Tw33k^ | cahoot: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
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| 17:14.12 | cahoot | Tw33k^: thank you but no thanks |
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| 17:14.37 | Tw33k^ | just makes white noise |
| 17:14.41 | Tw33k^ | good to test sound |
| 17:14.43 | markybob | cahoot, it's not a joke or a trick |
| 17:14.54 | Tw33k^ | learned that just yesterday |
| 17:14.57 | Tw33k^ | in here :) |
| 17:14.58 | cahoot | Tw33k^: use speaker-test for basic test |
| 17:15.07 | cahoot | of alsa |
| 17:15.17 | maligor | pure random noise is rather annoying |
| 17:15.23 | Tw33k^ | meh |
| 17:15.32 | maligor | white noise I guess |
| 17:15.40 | Tw33k^ | just takes a sec to go 'yup works' |
| 17:15.51 | Tw33k^ | then ^C |
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| 17:16.03 | icbm | lontra, latest of both |
| 17:16.07 | icbm | valdyn, I'll give that a shot |
| 17:16.16 | icbm | ehnvis, yes I did both of those things |
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| 17:17.15 | cahoot | Tw33k^: catting to dsp presumes both workinag alsa *and* its oss-emulation |
| 17:17.22 | themill | icbm: what's the sound card? the output of "lspci -nn" would be handy. |
| 17:17.41 | Tw33k^ | cahoot: so if it works you know everything works :) |
| 17:17.43 | lontra | icbm: latest debian? you mean lenny? because lenny has a lot older kernel than ubuntu 9.10 |
| 17:18.00 | Tw33k^ | latest stable or latest debian... |
| 17:18.01 | Tw33k^ | ? |
| 17:18.45 | icbm | lontra, yes lenny. This laptop is a few years old though. |
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| 17:19.04 | icbm | valdyn, after installing linux-sound-base, where do I select alsa? |
| 17:19.11 | cahoot | icbm: how do you test sound? use speaker-test -t wav -c2 |
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| 17:20.23 | icbm | cahoot, was just playing media files, but yeah, no sound that way either. |
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| 17:20.43 | Tw33k^ | icbm: oldish laptops handle squeeze well - I'm running it on an IBM T30 - p4 1.8 |
| 17:20.44 | cahoot | no error? |
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| 17:20.50 | abrotman | !alsa checklist |
| 17:20.50 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 17:21.25 | Serraphyn | hi, I was wondering if anyone can help me out, I have a motherboard that has on board video taht does not turn off when you add an AGP card, it also uses an AGI(ASRock's Graphic interface) which is basically a 3.3v only AGP slot. i have a 6200 Nvidia card that when I load windows is fine, but I have to remove the nvidia card to boot debian. the mobo is a Intel P4i65GV, and i really haven't had much luck getting the nvidia card to work inlinux, it work |
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| 17:21.40 | cahoot | icbm: if no error - just run /etc/init.s/alsa-utils reset 0 (as root) and speaker-test agian |
| 17:22.12 | icbm | themill: from running that command, it's an ATI IXP SB400 |
| 17:22.12 | cahoot | s/init.s/init.d/ |
| 17:22.22 | themill | icbm: that's not the entire output |
| 17:23.05 | benjamindees | that's hilarious. there's no way to actually remove keys in gconf-editor. |
| 17:23.21 | icbm | cahoot: d'oh.. that did it. |
| 17:23.28 | valdyn | icbm: you get prompted when installing or run "dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" |
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| 17:23.43 | Serraphyn | is there a way with lshw or another command to see how much video memory your computer is using? |
| 17:24.00 | icbm | themill, yes I know. I'm just having mouse troubles too right now, so highlighting and copying to pastebin was too hard |
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| 17:24.19 | amphi | Serraphyn: /var/log/Xorg.0.log should say something about it |
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| 17:24.25 | icbm | valdyn, wasn't prompted while installing with aptitude. But now it works, so I guess I'm going to uninstall that. |
| 17:24.29 | themill | icbm: you've solve the problem now so it doesn't matter. The most important thing in that output was the PCI-Id though :) |
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| 17:25.20 | SRabbelier | ugh, testing does not have grub2, and I had grub2 installed, and apparently the testing net install does not properly obliterate the grub2 booloader -> unbootable system :P |
| 17:25.23 | icbm | cahoot, Thanks for the help. Not sure why that worked though when rebooting didn't. |
| 17:25.42 | cahoot | icbm: it unmutes and sets sane levels |
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| 17:26.40 | icbm | cahoot, hmm, I thought I already unmuted and set all volumes to max in alsa-mixer |
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| 17:27.14 | ale-x | wohoo! xorg + udev works |
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| 17:29.39 | Serraphyn | So did anyone see my message about why I can't use any video other then on board? |
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| 17:31.01 | Robert_L_Straitt | Serraphyn, did you check your BIOS Settings? |
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| 17:31.19 | Serraphyn | yeah |
| 17:31.30 | Serraphyn | I have it set to AGI/PCI/Onboard |
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| 17:31.48 | Serraphyn | And as i said with that setup it works with windows |
| 17:31.54 | Robert_L_Straitt | hmm I'm not sure then, that's the one that usually catches me. |
| 17:32.01 | Tw33k^ | Serraphyn: likely you're looking at monitor 2 in windows |
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| 17:32.56 | Serraphyn | Tw33k^: eitehr way, it wouldn't be an issue booting linux I would imagine, i'ave had duel monitor out on other systems, and when i boot with thee card in it shows up on the screen like its booting the AGP as primary card |
| 17:33.19 | Serraphyn | s/thee/this/ |
| 17:33.22 | sidewalk | anyone know how to get a visualize fx card running in Debian (hppa)? |
| 17:33.27 | Tw33k^ | you likely don't have an xsession screen loading on the secondary adapter in debian |
| 17:33.33 | sidewalk | the xserver doesnt want to start |
| 17:33.37 | Tw33k^ | try disabling the intel one |
| 17:33.47 | Serraphyn | Tw33k^: it doesn't get to that afar |
| 17:33.59 | Serraphyn | it starts booting the kernel gives a wierd modprobe and stops |
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| 17:34.05 | Serraphyn | I can do the reboot if you like |
| 17:34.09 | icbm | Is there a way to mute/unmute sound via alsamixer or similar utility? I raised all sound volumes in alsamixer, but it didn't work until i ran /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
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| 17:34.29 | simonrvn | um, pres m to unmute |
| 17:34.32 | simonrvn | press* |
| 17:34.37 | cahoot | icbm: NB levels are different from mute status |
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| 17:35.24 | Tw33k^ | Serraphyn: whats the last thing it echos |
| 17:35.26 | icbm | cahoot, yeah, didn't know about the 'm' key binding in alsamixer. Would be nice if it had a legend somewhere. |
| 17:35.38 | simonrvn | it does |
| 17:35.43 | Tw33k^ | man alsa-mixer |
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| 17:35.51 | cahoot | alsamixer |
| 17:35.55 | Tw33k^ | right |
| 17:35.59 | Tw33k^ | :| |
| 17:37.44 | abrotman | F1 ? |
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| 17:38.32 | Serraphyn | Tw33k^: Just put card back in and reboot the box, I get last line like: [ 29.584946] Fixing recursie fault but reoot is needed! |
| 17:38.47 | Serraphyn | s/reoot/reboot/ |
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| 17:43.59 | mario_ | Hello! |
| 17:44.06 | inckie | YO! |
| 17:44.18 | mario_ | where am i best asking a question for debian xen ? |
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| 17:55.23 | mario_ | how can i patch my 2.6.26 xen kernel in lenny? |
| 17:55.31 | mario_ | what sources do i need to install? |
| 17:55.45 | mario_ | is linux-source-2.6.26 the kernel source with the xen patches? |
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| 18:06.23 | flokuehn | lkdsf |
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| 18:07.19 | lnostdal | k, so i've had enough of about "the mono debate" and i just want out already .. but, trying to uninstall tomboy (after having installed gnote) _still_ leads to the gnome metapackage also being removed .. which further leads to a whole bunch of packages being removed on the next invocation of `aptitude full-upgrade' .. is there some way to resolve this? |
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| 18:07.39 | aprendiz001 | hi all |
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| 18:09.04 | simonrvn | lnostdal: start setting things manually installed (in aptitude press m on the package) or just hit + on the relevant packages. |
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| 18:11.24 | aprendiz001 | I have problems mounting sounds disc |
| 18:12.05 | cahoot | aprendiz001: they're not meant to be mounted |
| 18:12.10 | aprendiz001 | http://pastebin.com/m6a4363e8 |
| 18:12.36 | aprendiz001 | I put the cd and the system tell me that can't be mounted |
| 18:13.15 | aprendiz001 | that error that I put in pastebin happens with all my cds |
| 18:13.18 | aprendiz001 | of music |
| 18:13.23 | aprendiz001 | any idea? |
| 18:13.37 | aprendiz001 | but dvds works fine |
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| 18:19.02 | rafuch0 | legacy systems means old like p1 machines right? |
| 18:19.27 | lnostdal | that seems like a huge hack, simonrvn |
| 18:19.39 | lnostdal | what happens wrt. upgrades, then? |
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| 18:20.10 | simonrvn | it's not. a bunch of thing were installed auto, you're telling your manager to unset that. |
| 18:20.16 | simonrvn | things* |
| 18:20.24 | aprendiz001 | can anyone help me please? |
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| 18:20.53 | Noob-SE | hello |
| 18:21.22 | Noob-SE | update-rc.d -f daemon remove, will remove the startup daemons but how to list them ? |
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| 18:22.21 | markybob | Noob-SE, use rcconf |
| 18:22.35 | lnostdal | yes, hard links |
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| 18:22.53 | lnostdal | but i doubt that's a good idea |
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| 18:25.00 | Noob-SE | but rcconf not installed |
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| 18:25.31 | rafuch0 | update-rc.d works fine |
| 18:26.03 | Noob-SE | rafuch0 i want to list the startup daemons...how to see what is the startup daemons/scripts |
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| 18:27.50 | dec3pti0n | i had to pull out my hd from one box and install it on another one ... does debian has some reconfigure cmd ? or installing a new kernel to identify the new hardware will do it ? |
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| 18:32.21 | aprendiz001 | the cds don't work in my linux squeeze |
| 18:32.38 | aprendiz001 | I have some error in hda but all the dvds work fine |
| 18:32.41 | markybob | aprendiz001, you need to learn to listen. you cant mount audio cds |
| 18:32.49 | aprendiz001 | why? |
| 18:32.54 | JyZyXEL | how do i extend my desktop to another monitor? |
| 18:33.22 | aprendiz001 | markybob, before this worked |
| 18:33.23 | markybob | aprendiz001, because they're not mountable? you just point to the device, not a mount point. such as `mplayer /dev/hda` |
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| 18:34.13 | aprendiz001 | but gnome is showing me the error |
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| 18:34.49 | aprendiz001 | when I put a cd |
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| 18:38.35 | NoCode | Is python-pango in the repos for Squeeze? |
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| 18:39.26 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
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| 18:43.07 | sidewalk | anyone around who knows if its possible to get a Visualize FX card running under X in debian on a c3600 ? |
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| 18:47.33 | dec3pti0n | is there no way to reconfigues a video card and monitor on lenny ? |
| 18:48.15 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:48.54 | dec3pti0n | how ? i tried to reconfigure server-xorg but nothing there |
| 18:49.11 | dec3pti0n | I tried removing the xorg.conf and restarting gdm and nothing either |
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| 18:50.02 | CraHan | anyone happen to know on Debian testing (PPC) what the deal is with parted? |
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| 18:50.23 | CraHan | when I run it on /dev/sda and do a print it gives a Error: Can't have the end before the start! |
| 18:50.28 | CraHan | Kinda driving me nuts |
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| 18:50.35 | Luyang | hello all |
| 18:50.42 | Luyang | I cannot install sun jdk 6 |
| 18:50.50 | CraHan | must be something related to the PPC version because it's not happening when I try the same on a i386 machine |
| 18:50.54 | markybob | dec3pti0n, X -configure |
| 18:50.59 | Luyang | apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jdk doesn't work |
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| 18:51.07 | abrotman | !tell Luyang about install java |
| 18:51.13 | Luyang | E: Package sun-java6-jre has no installation candidate |
| 18:52.00 | Luyang | abrotman: it can't find the sun-java6-jre package... |
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| 18:52.44 | abrotman | did you read the rest of the factoid ? |
| 18:53.02 | markybob | abrotman, why would he do that? :P |
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| 18:54.47 | Luyang | abrotman: but is it non free? |
| 18:54.54 | Luyang | does that mean java is commercial? |
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| 18:55.33 | Luyang | I read online that people could use apt-get install sun-java6-jdk but it doesn't find that... do I have to stick to openjdk? |
| 18:55.33 | markybob | Luyang, yes, it's non-free. yes |
| 18:55.50 | Luyang | I've never heard anyone pay for java |
| 18:55.57 | markybob | sigh |
| 18:56.11 | Luyang | sorry to increase thy blood pressure |
| 18:56.16 | zinx | Luyang: wrong 'free' |
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| 18:56.23 | markybob | Luyang, non-free doesnt mean it costs money. it means you dont have complete freedom with it |
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| 18:56.59 | Luyang | markybob: ok, I see... I thought it was open source nowadays and also free of charge... anyway... that's not the point. the point is why I cannot find the sun jdk using apt-get in ubuntu |
| 18:57.15 | markybob | jesus christ |
| 18:57.15 | AimHere | Ask #ubuntu that |
| 18:57.23 | Luyang | Package sun-java6-jdk is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 18:57.23 | Luyang | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 18:57.23 | Luyang | is only available from another source |
| 18:57.23 | Luyang | E: Package sun-java6-jdk has no installation candidate |
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| 18:57.36 | markybob | Luyang, go away |
| 18:57.40 | Luyang | I did... they're not as smart as you |
| 18:57.42 | Luyang | :( |
| 18:58.03 | AimHere | Even so, ubuntu questions belong in #Ubuntu |
| 18:58.08 | Luyang | ok |
| 18:58.11 | Luyang | thanks |
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| 18:59.13 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 19:16.33 | cahoot | blkdev? |
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| 19:17.05 | cahoot | err blkid |
| 19:17.17 | BleSS | cahoot: yes, that is it thx! |
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| 19:20.33 | santiago | hello folks |
| 19:20.48 | santiago | do you have a clue how to generate a "live" ^M code in debian bash? |
| 19:21.04 | santiago | so it doesn't gets translated and executed in realmtime |
| 19:21.10 | santiago | get* |
| 19:21.28 | SRabbelier | Heya, I just re-installed my laptop and switched from testing to unstable (the unstable netinstaller didn't work), but now I'm getting a whole bunch of held back packages; it takes ages for aptitude to compute the dependencies too, any way to resolve that? -> http://pastebin.com/f4d2ddf3e |
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| 19:23.39 | ehnvis | SRabbelier: when you swap releases like that dont you have to use the dist-upgrade instead of safe-upgrade? |
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| 19:24.26 | SRabbelier | ehnvis: if I use full-upgrade (the aptitude variant of dist-upgrade), it keeps asking me to remove gnome as a solution -_-" |
| 19:24.53 | ehnvis | SRabbelier: oh sorry i'm of no help then |
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| 19:25.22 | SRabbelier | see http://pastebin.com/f281152cf |
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| 19:26.26 | ehnvis | i guess thats life on the unstable side? i wouldnt go there anyway i'm sticking to testing. |
| 19:26.57 | SRabbelier | ehnvis: heh, :P |
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| 19:29.30 | kampasky | SRabbelier: i'm personally much more comfortable with apt-get and it always seems to find more reasonable solutions too... i'd try doing the upgrade to unstable per partes, first upgrading base system, then doing upgrade, then doing dist-upgrade or taking individual packages first |
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| 19:30.22 | abrotman | !full-upgrade |
| 19:30.23 | dpkg | full-upgrade is the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from Lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade> <apt-listchanges> |
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| 19:31.33 | sidewalk | anyone around who knows if its possible to get a Visualize FX card running under X in debian on a c3600 ? |
| 19:31.44 | toolz | what is this in messages |
| 19:31.45 | toolz | Dec 13 21:28:55 games2 kernel: [519295.109350] __ratelimit: 4389 messages suppressed |
| 19:31.46 | toolz | Dec 13 21:28:55 games2 kernel: [519295.109350] dst cache overflow |
| 19:31.56 | abrotman | sidewalk: what is a visualize fx card ? |
| 19:31.57 | laurus | If I buy an external USB Blu-Ray drive, will Debian be able to play any region of DVD and Blu-Ray disc? |
| 19:32.28 | sidewalk | abrotman: graphics card for a HP Workstation c3600, hppa debian runs on it |
| 19:32.55 | abrotman | sidewalk: does it have a vesa mode? |
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| 19:33.41 | sidewalk | abrotman: how can i verify that? |
| 19:33.57 | abrotman | which version of debian are you using ? |
| 19:34.04 | abrotman | and how are you trying to start X ? |
| 19:34.25 | sidewalk | lenny, gdm or startx |
| 19:34.41 | abrotman | and what does the /var/log/Xorg.0.log say ? |
| 19:35.11 | sidewalk | depends on which driver i try to use, but essentially no screens found |
| 19:35.13 | SRabbelier | kampasky: yeah, that's what I'm trying |
| 19:35.43 | toolz | any idea? |
| 19:35.46 | toolz | what are those messages? |
| 19:35.54 | CargolSS | hmm, have a VIA/S3G card and X doesnt work |
| 19:36.02 | SRabbelier | main problem so far seems that I cannot satisfy totem-plugin's dependency on libgmythupnp0 |
| 19:36.09 | SRabbelier | any idea what's causing that? |
| 19:36.17 | toolz | I am being flooded on that machine |
| 19:36.17 | CargolSS | i get OUT OF RANGE message and a vlank screen |
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| 19:39.01 | sidewalk | abrotman: wols and ThoMe chatted about it here in the channel 2 years ago when you were here, can't you remember? ;-) |
| 19:39.20 | abrotman | two years ago ? i was like 12 |
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| 19:40.29 | abrotman | sidewalk: no, i donb't .. but what does it say ? |
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| 19:41.50 | sidewalk | abrotman: they just stop chatting ;P |
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| 19:44.23 | webbb82 | whats up , i went from ubuntu to opensuse because i wanted to get away from ubuntu for ma nny reasons , but i mis .deb files. if i install debain can it run anything like compiz and the like |
| 19:44.37 | abrotman | sidewalk: i meant the log |
| 19:44.49 | Knorrie | webbb82: yes, those are available as well in debian |
| 19:45.29 | sidewalk | abrotman: nothing useful :( |
| 19:45.33 | tuxcrafter | is it correct that the post-up interfaces (ifupdown) does not work corretly with an 'iface dsl-provider inet ppp' inteface? it seems the post-up commando's are executed before the ppp0 is created with an ip |
| 19:45.41 | webbb82 | people say that deb is solid but doesnt have some of the more advanced features is that not true |
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| 19:46.27 | Norv | webbb82: of course you can run compiz |
| 19:46.30 | abrotman | sidewalk: pastebin ? |
| 19:47.00 | webbb82 | ok im installing it onto a netbook can the iso be ran from usb |
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| 19:47.26 | nsadmin | webbb82: too general. install it yourself and try it |
| 19:47.46 | dvs | webbb82: Yes, the instructions are in the installation notes |
| 19:47.47 | nsadmin | read the release notes for how to install |
| 19:48.03 | sidewalk | abrotman: it seems that there isnt any driver for the card in xserver-xorg |
| 19:49.49 | webbb82 | im on the download page but when i clikc on the rite link it takes me to a page with a file called manifest |
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| 19:50.05 | sidewalk | abrotman: fbdev only says (EE) open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory and then No devices detected |
| 19:50.28 | sidewalk | abrotman: are there any other xservers that can be run? |
| 19:50.37 | dvs | webbb82: what page is that? |
| 19:50.53 | abrotman | i donb't have hppa hardware |
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| 19:51.30 | pm2 | I'm noticing very slow behavior on a relatively modern PC. At first, I thought it was the harddisk, but I swapped it out with another disk and also changed cables, but the performance is still very slow. I've used hdparm to ensure dma is on. Any other ideas on what I can check to narrow down why the computer is so slow, and what, if anything, I can do to fix it? |
| 19:51.32 | webbb82 | ftp.nl.debian/dist/lenny/main/installer-1386/current/images |
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| 19:53.52 | webbb82 | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 19:54.01 | webbb82 | go there that is what i get |
| 19:55.08 | dvs | webbb82: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 19:55.54 | webbb82 | is the only way to install deb via net install? |
| 19:56.39 | dvs | webbb82: That's the netinstall ISO image so you need that for sure. |
| 19:56.55 | webbb82 | oh ive never done a netinstall |
| 19:57.40 | dvs | webbb82: How did you want to install it? |
| 19:57.56 | webbb82 | via usb |
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| 19:58.21 | kusanagi_ | does firefox run tabs as a different process?? when i run htop i see like 10 different pids for firefox with same memory usage |
| 19:58.30 | dvs | webbb82: If you want to install via USB, you need an ISO image of some sore. |
| 19:58.31 | dvs | sort |
| 19:58.59 | webbb82 | ya |
| 19:59.21 | dvs | webbb82: How big is you USB drive/ |
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| 19:59.46 | webbb82 | 2gb |
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| 20:00.11 | dvs | webbb82: You could use the netinstall ISO or the first CD image. |
| 20:00.35 | webbb82 | whats the first cd image |
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| 20:01.03 | simonrvn | look at the URLs dvs posted ... |
| 20:01.34 | dvs | webbb82: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 20:01.43 | webbb82 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.45 | webbb82 | that one? |
| 20:01.49 | dvs | webbb82: the CD-1 iso file |
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| 20:02.13 | dvs | webbb82: No, that's the business card ISO. It's even smaller than the netinst image |
| 20:02.36 | webbb82 | im downloading debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 20:02.41 | dvs | good |
| 20:02.46 | webbb82 | why is there 1-20 cds |
| 20:03.20 | dvs | webbb82: That's the entire Debian collection. You only need the first one to get started then you can download the rest via the Internet. |
| 20:03.20 | AimHere | Because Debian is big |
| 20:03.49 | webbb82 | oh ok so i need todo a netinstall |
| 20:04.21 | AimHere | Not really |
| 20:04.21 | AimHere | You install the core debian system from CD1 |
| 20:04.21 | dvs | webbb82: Eventually, you'll have to use the Internet to download packages. |
| 20:04.26 | simonrvn | up to you what you use, and what you intend to do. |
| 20:04.29 | webbb82 | i know t5his may piss people of but why dont they just do the one iso like ubuntu |
| 20:04.31 | AimHere | Then point your package repositories at the net, and then any other packages and apps you get from the greater Internet |
| 20:04.49 | simonrvn | because this isn't ubuntu |
| 20:04.51 | dvs | webbb82: Ubuntu doesn't have that much of a selection |
| 20:04.58 | AimHere | Some people don't have good net access all the time |
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| 20:05.23 | Norv | webbb82: perhaps it would be a little difficult to make 20 cds fit in one, be it DVD, too. :) |
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| 20:06.03 | webbb82 | is there a easy app to load the iso onto usb |
| 20:06.03 | webbb82 | unetbootin or somthin |
| 20:06.12 | Norv | Just kidding. But it's like ubuntu and uni/multiverse repository: you install a base system, then take from various repos anything else you may need. |
| 20:06.18 | dvs | webbb82: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 20:07.05 | simonrvn | there's 5 dvds heh |
| 20:07.25 | dvs | webbb82: And you don't have to use a netinst or businesscard ISO either. It can be any first Debian ISO image |
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| 20:20.36 | elik | Can someone ban MeRSiNLi |
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| 20:20.54 | abrotman | elik: thank you |
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| 20:21.11 | antii | having a question, if I get disconneced from the network and trying to screen -rd back to my session, why the hell does it take some damn long time sometimes then? |
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| 20:21.29 | elik | abrotman, not that I'm against free porn videos or anything like that |
| 20:21.38 | dvs | O_O |
| 20:21.42 | elik | abrotman, I assume that meant I was the n-th person reporting it? |
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| 20:22.10 | abrotman | elik: first? |
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| 20:22.23 | abrotman | elik: he'd just joined about four people before you |
| 20:22.29 | elik | abrotman, oh, ok :) |
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| 20:27.25 | SRabbelier | how would I list all installed packages that are from lenny? |
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| 20:32.11 | kapowaz | hi there. is debian backports no longer functional? |
| 20:32.28 | antii | anyone? |
| 20:32.46 | abrotman | kapowaz: for which version of debian ? |
| 20:32.54 | kapowaz | ah... |
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| 20:33.02 | kapowaz | I'm on lenny |
| 20:33.05 | kapowaz | that's stable, right? |
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| 20:33.12 | abrotman | yes, backports.org is still there |
| 20:33.17 | kapowaz | hmm |
| 20:33.18 | CargolSS | SRabbelier: aptitude from command-line |
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| 20:33.22 | kapowaz | when I try to do an apt-get update I get this: |
| 20:33.23 | kapowaz | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org lenny-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 20:33.34 | CargolSS | u'll see them there |
| 20:33.37 | sidewalk | ill just check again then |
| 20:33.37 | dvs | kapowaz: you need it's GPG keys |
| 20:33.50 | sidewalk | anyone around who knows if its possible to get a Visualize FX card running under X in debian on a c3600 ? |
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| 20:34.28 | kapowaz | ah, I see the instructions for that are in the instructions page for backports |
| 20:34.29 | kapowaz | my bad |
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| 20:44.02 | MoonTiger | hi :) |
| 20:44.11 | SRabbelier | I just upgraded another slew of packages to their sid version, and now I'm getting http://pastebin.com/f5ccc8059, any idea what I messed up? |
| 20:44.49 | owen1 | i use a text-based app that has no autocomplete. how to add autocomplete to this app? |
| 20:44.55 | MoonTiger | is this the right place to ask about libcairo that ships with sid/squeeze? |
| 20:46.40 | dvs | SRabbelier: do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file? |
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| 20:47.18 | SRabbelier | dvs: http:http://pastebin.com/f4c3666a6 |
| 20:47.24 | Jorophose | has anyone ever used easyBCD? |
| 20:47.25 | SRabbelier | dvs: err, minus the leading http: :P |
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| 20:48.22 | dvs | hmmm... I wonder why it's loading the ati driver and not the radeon driver. |
| 20:49.10 | MoonTiger | if this is not the right place could you tell me where is please? |
| 20:49.35 | abrotman | MoonTiger: just ask your question |
| 20:49.43 | MoonTiger | oh ok thnx :) |
| 20:49.57 | SRabbelier | dvs: well, I have xserver-xorg-video-ati installed, since I have a FireGL type video card |
| 20:50.10 | SRabbelier | dvs: (that is, it was automagically installed by the netinstaller) |
| 20:50.32 | MoonTiger | ok so i recompiled libcairo to get cleartype rendering on my system and all seems fine... except now i cannot install the updated libgtk dev files as the version numbering is wrong |
| 20:50.43 | MoonTiger | and i'm not so good at al this to figure out what to do |
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| 20:50.46 | Mkman | hi |
| 20:50.46 | MoonTiger | :) |
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| 20:51.32 | dvs | SRabbelier: oh. I guess FireGL != radeon |
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| 20:51.45 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, if you have also your kernel from SID 2.6.32.x, you can go with the opensource drivers |
| 20:52.03 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: I'm on 2.6.30-2 still |
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| 20:52.20 | SRabbelier | dvs, dutchfish: any clue what's causing the problem in the first place though? |
| 20:52.28 | brusca | would it significantly increase boot perfomance to install my root partition on a SSD? |
| 20:52.29 | SRabbelier | why do the ABI versions not match I mean? |
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| 20:52.42 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, prolly X not matching with curent fgrlx |
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| 20:53.29 | tuxcrafter | i all, does somebody know how to create a failover dns: http://debian.pastebin.com/d3c60dd45 |
| 20:53.40 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: quite possible as I just updated a bunch of packages; how can I find out if that's the case? |
| 20:54.00 | tuxcrafter | i use a failover gataway system when the first one fails it goes to the second default gateway |
| 20:54.20 | tuxcrafter | however the dns nameservers work only for one of the gateways |
| 20:54.36 | tuxcrafter | so when the gateway switches is should use an other namaserver also |
| 20:54.45 | tuxcrafter | how can this be done correctly? |
| 20:54.47 | tuxcrafter | http://debian.pastebin.com/d3c60dd45 |
| 20:54.56 | BlueG | It seems like I read or heard at some point that Debian was the most popular Linux distribution, had been for years, and that it was still more popular than Ubuntu. Is that true and where would you find reasonably reliable data on something like this? |
| 20:54.58 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, try to start in vesa first, then work your way up and examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:55.21 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: lgtm, how do I do that? add some kernel boot argument or such? |
| 20:55.29 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, if you compiled your kernel yourself, check that first (initrd, depmod etc) |
| 20:55.37 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: no, using stock kernel |
| 20:55.43 | abrotman | BlueG: you really don't |
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| 20:56.37 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, for 2.6.30 you can alter /etc/X11/xorg.conf to set it to vesa |
| 20:56.47 | BlueG | abrotman: well, that is true, but surely there is some source that could give you a decent rough idea... |
| 20:56.56 | MoonTiger | BlueG, why would that matter? |
| 20:57.21 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: ok, what do I change in http://pastebin.com/f4c3666a6 to do that? |
| 20:57.25 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, another point is that newer X with newer kernel needs firmware-free or firmware-nonfree for alot of ATI cards |
| 20:57.39 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: I'm planning on installing the binary drivers |
| 20:57.47 | abrotman | BlueG: i had this argument with someone a few weeks ago .. all the sources we found were likely flawed for one reason or another |
| 20:57.49 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: but I needed to get a recent (2.6.29+) kernel first |
| 20:58.43 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, something like Driver "vesa" in the device section 9just as testcase) |
| 20:58.54 | jelly-home | judd: kernels |
| 20:58.56 | judd | jelly-home: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
| 20:59.38 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: do I need to reboot, cos 'startx' just gives the same error |
| 20:59.47 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, i used the kernel from the trunk and had to handcopy firmware to get it to work |
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| 21:00.04 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, that is for the opensource drivers |
| 21:00.06 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: it worked before with the binary drivers (I just re-installed) |
| 21:00.32 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: that is, failure using this xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/f14643801 |
| 21:01.08 | BlueG | MoonTiger: I suppose it doesn't matter much. It might be useful to have an idea of what distros you are most likely to look good (or even be recognized) on a resume, but its always better if you know what distros are actually in use at a particular potential employer. Of course, I have a tendency to say random things like, "Debian is the most popular/most used GNU/Linux distribution" and would rather not say something foolish if it turn |
| 21:01.12 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, then try to refresh your initrd, something like depmod 2.6.30[your kernel] && update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.30[your kernel] |
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| 21:01.39 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: where with [your kernel] you mean `uname -r` ? |
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| 21:01.51 | MoonTiger | BlueG, i think it is safe to say that debian is one of the most popular distros without any doubt |
| 21:02.16 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, no, but anything after 2.6.30 |
| 21:02.46 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, look in your /boot dir for the right convention |
| 21:03.15 | BlueG | MoonTiger: I suppose it almost certainly has the most maintainers/developers, as I am pretty certain that it has the most packages, by a fairly large margin. |
| 21:03.15 | prince_jammys | BlueG: use a more meaningful word like "established" or something, and it won't be foolish. |
| 21:03.24 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: my /boot has files of the form 'initrd.img-`uname -r`' |
| 21:03.46 | MoonTiger | BlueG, i think what prince_jammys said makes good sense |
| 21:03.46 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, then `uname -r` it is |
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| 21:04.38 | MoonTiger | BlueG, i think anyone who even knows what "a distro" actually is will apreciate the significance of debian in the scheme of things |
| 21:04.57 | MoonTiger | isn't used to the new keyboard yet |
| 21:05.19 | BlueG | MoonTiger: I believe you are right about that |
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| 21:05.58 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: mhhh, same result |
| 21:06.14 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, you tried a reboot that fast? |
| 21:06.19 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, i am impressed |
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| 21:06.37 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: why thank you :) |
| 21:06.51 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: it's a fast machine :P |
| 21:07.01 | SRabbelier | albeit not currently working |
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| 21:07.22 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, can you throw the lspci line of your card |
| 21:07.23 | MoonTiger | oh and on the subject of libcairo ... can anyone tell me why the cleartype patches aren't included in the stock version? |
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| 21:07.55 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: http://pastebin.com/f1c9cd7c5 |
| 21:08.02 | SRabbelier | (gotta love pastebinit) |
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| 21:08.46 | floh | Hi how do I update deb-packages with downloaded deb-files? |
| 21:09.02 | floh | apt-get update doesn't allow parameters. |
| 21:09.12 | MoonTiger | floh, wouldnt that be dpkg -i ? |
| 21:09.14 | HackeMate | hello, someone know what could happen if i change my Pentium 4 3.4ghz processor for a new intel core duo e5300 2.6ghz? will the kernel crash? |
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| 21:09.25 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 21:09.36 | floh | MoonTiger: Is "dpkg -i" for update too? |
| 21:09.43 | floh | MoonTiger: I thought its only for install. |
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| 21:10.00 | chicco | CIAO |
| 21:10.04 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, ok, for the 3650 i advice you to go to 2.6.32 (possible from the debian trunk) and opensource; it has 2D support and is far supirieur to fglrx, see: http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonFeature |
| 21:10.04 | MoonTiger | floh, it will install the .deb and replace it in the package cache |
| 21:10.33 | floh | MoonTiger: Ok, thanx! :) |
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| 21:11.01 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, i did the same for 2400 series and 3800 series |
| 21:11.12 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: mhhh, what's the easiest way to get a working X though? it's a pita to do this kind of stuff in a raw console |
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| 21:11.32 | jhutchins | SRabbelier: Easiest way? Buy a Mac. |
| 21:11.50 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, or stay at testing atm, but to port down would be a pita also |
| 21:11.50 | SRabbelier | jhutchins: instant troll: success :P |
| 21:12.08 | abrotman | what's his video card ? |
| 21:12.10 | SRabbelier | dutchfish: I need a recent kernel for my wireless to work :P |
| 21:12.13 | abrotman | how did he install ? |
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| 21:12.18 | abrotman | erm . instlal X ? |
| 21:12.24 | SRabbelier | abrotman: I ran the netinstall for testing |
| 21:12.32 | SRabbelier | abrotman: then switched to unstable |
| 21:12.36 | dutchfish | SRabbelier, the best atm is squeeze, with your own 2.6.32 kernel; that worked for me all the time |
| 21:12.37 | SRabbelier | abrotman: (the netinstall for unstable was broken) |
| 21:12.51 | MoonTiger | SRabbelier, what hardware do you have that is so difficult? |
| 21:13.00 | SRabbelier | MoonTiger: Lenovo W500 |
| 21:13.08 | MoonTiger | SRabbelier, i have a t500 |
| 21:13.16 | MoonTiger | no problems |
| 21:13.18 | SRabbelier | MoonTiger: what are you running? |
| 21:13.25 | SRabbelier | MoonTiger: and, does network manager work for you? |
| 21:13.30 | MoonTiger | sid |
| 21:13.35 | MoonTiger | i use wicd |
| 21:13.45 | MoonTiger | sid + xfce |
| 21:13.48 | MoonTiger | no problems |
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| 21:13.56 | MoonTiger | a few tweaks but all is golden |
| 21:14.09 | SRabbelier | MoonTiger: I think my problem came from upgrading from testing to sid |
| 21:14.18 | SRabbelier | mutters @ unstable netinstall |
| 21:14.24 | MoonTiger | i started with lenny then updated to sid |
| 21:14.28 | MoonTiger | no problems |
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| 21:14.36 | SRabbelier | MoonTiger: lucky you :) |
| 21:14.44 | MoonTiger | touchpad needed tweaking ... |
| 21:14.51 | MoonTiger | libcairo needed patching |
| 21:15.04 | MoonTiger | but otherwise all good and easy really |
| 21:15.12 | abrotman | SRabbelier: i doubt you need sid .. i have a T500 running squeeze .. works fine |
| 21:15.21 | dutchfish | nods |
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| 21:15.30 | MoonTiger | abrotman, is squeeze unstable? |
| 21:15.31 | SRabbelier | abrotman: what kernel do you run on it? |
| 21:15.41 | dutchfish | !testing |
| 21:15.41 | dpkg | somebody said testing was a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
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| 21:15.58 | abrotman | SRabbelier: no, squeeze is testing .. and the .30 |
| 21:16.06 | MoonTiger | ok i'm using sid |
| 21:16.09 | MoonTiger | no problems |
| 21:16.22 | SRabbelier | abrotman: ah, is the .30 in testing? I installed with the netinstaller and got .26 |
| 21:16.34 | abrotman | SRabbelier: then you didn't use the testing netinst |
| 21:16.57 | MoonTiger | ahhhhh i did testing netinstall then dist-upgrade to sid |
| 21:17.02 | SRabbelier | abrotman: I'll admit I used unetbootin to get said installer |
| 21:17.07 | abrotman | that's your fault |
| 21:17.13 | SRabbelier | heh |
| 21:17.20 | MoonTiger | SRabbelier, burn a cd :) |
| 21:17.25 | SRabbelier | I think I will |
| 21:17.52 | darkblue_B | hi all- I have removed postgres.. long story short, the EnterpriseDB installer and the older install did not communicate completly.. OSo I have added backports.org to my sources list.. I am not 100% on how to proceed though, as there are overlapping components in backports and official |
| 21:18.04 | SRabbelier | where do I get the testing netinstall though? I only see the regular one on http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 21:18.12 | dutchfish | again, i have no problem with all my ATI cards as long as i stay to squeeze and open osurce with latest stable kernel |
| 21:18.15 | abrotman | moment |
| 21:18.15 | darkblue_B | s/OSo/SO/ |
| 21:18.37 | MoonTiger | SRabbelier, its on the site |
| 21:18.40 | dutchfish | s/osurce/source |
| 21:18.56 | darkblue_B | .. there is some way to prefer backports respo? |
| 21:19.13 | SRabbelier | mhh, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 21:19.15 | MoonTiger | SRabbelier, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 21:19.22 | SRabbelier | I say that's a yes then :P |
| 21:19.24 | MoonTiger | heh yah |
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| 21:19.37 | jhutchins | Anybody know what audio formats an iPod can handle? |
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| 21:19.45 | MoonTiger | mp3 aac |
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| 21:19.57 | abrotman | SRabbelier: did you get it? |
| 21:20.07 | SRabbelier | abrotman: aye, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ it seems |
| 21:20.09 | jhutchins | MoonTiger: tnx |
| 21:20.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:20.26 | SRabbelier | abrotman: the Debian website definitely could do with some sub-dividing |
| 21:20.34 | SRabbelier | we manage I guess |
| 21:20.37 | abrotman | SRabbelier: the only other thing i needed was the firmware-iwlwifi for my wifi |
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| 21:20.48 | abrotman | SRabbelier: i'd guess it's "hard to find" for a reason |
| 21:20.51 | MoonTiger | abrotman, yes that is needed |
| 21:20.52 | SRabbelier | abrotman: ah, I remember installing that before |
| 21:21.02 | SRabbelier | abrotman: oh, well, you have a point there |
| 21:21.07 | MoonTiger | do you have the 5100? |
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| 21:21.12 | abrotman | i have a T500 |
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| 21:21.16 | SRabbelier | abrotman: firmware-iwlwifi is a package I can install though? |
| 21:21.24 | Source_hunter | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:21.27 | MoonTiger | abrotman, i meant network card |
| 21:21.30 | abrotman | yes .. you can get it before hand and put it on a usb drive,e tc |
| 21:21.33 | abrotman | MoonTiger: uhm |
| 21:21.52 | MoonTiger | t500 has either lenovo or 5100 or 5300 |
| 21:22.07 | SRabbelier | abrotman: I have a wired connection atm, I reckon that means I can wait until the installer is done to do that, yes? |
| 21:22.08 | abrotman | 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless WiFi Link 5300 [8086:4236] |
| 21:22.09 | abrotman | 15:00.1 FireWire (IEEE 1394) [0c00]: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller [1180:0832] (rev 04) |
| 21:22.15 | abrotman | ignore the second obviously |
| 21:22.16 | MoonTiger | :) |
| 21:22.33 | MoonTiger | SRabbelier, yes thats what i did |
| 21:22.34 | abrotman | SRabbelier: yes, if oyu can find it with w3m or wget or whatever |
| 21:22.55 | SRabbelier | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 21:23.00 | MoonTiger | i just installed over wired then added the repo for the iwlwifi and added it |
| 21:23.11 | SRabbelier | ah |
| 21:23.35 | abrotman | SRabbelier: you can use the wire to install .. take care of the wifi later |
| 21:23.40 | MoonTiger | SRabbelier, do u have wep or wpa on ur wireless? |
| 21:24.48 | SRabbelier | MoonTiger: worse, at home I have WPA2, but at uni we have WPA2-Enterprise using EAP-PEAP with EAP-MSCHAPv2, or EAP-TTLS with PAP |
| 21:25.20 | MoonTiger | SRabbelier, i would put a desktop env on before unplugging then as wpa from console isn't fun |
| 21:25.28 | SRabbelier | abrotman: btw, does squeeze have grub2? |
| 21:25.32 | SRabbelier | I forget |
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| 21:25.39 | abrotman | SRabbelier: by default, yes |
| 21:25.40 | SRabbelier | MoonTiger: definitely not planning to |
| 21:25.45 | SRabbelier | abrotman: ok, that saves some headaches then |
| 21:26.29 | mon8 | i just compiled 2.6.24 kernel and it hangs on the detection of the cd/dvd drive any suggestions? |
| 21:26.35 | abrotman | compiled why? |
| 21:27.03 | SRabbelier | abrotman: btw, in case you remembered from earlier, I could not get windows to install as a second OS, so I formatted and now I'm trying to get Debian back :P |
| 21:27.20 | abrotman | SRabbelier: uh .. okay |
| 21:27.28 | mon8 | good question,,, |
| 21:27.37 | MoonTiger | mon8, ummmm yah why? |
| 21:27.58 | mon8 | ill try the stock |
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| 21:28.15 | MoonTiger | mon8, hehe might be easier no? unless its for educational purposes |
| 21:28.17 | SRabbelier | abrotman: just another data point if anyone ever asks "can I install Windows after I have already installed Debian" -> "probably not" |
| 21:28.23 | abrotman | you can .. |
| 21:28.27 | abrotman | it's just not as simple |
| 21:28.54 | MoonTiger | windows doesn't play nice with boot sectors |
| 21:29.18 | abrotman | so? |
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| 21:29.30 | mon8 | well i do like to compile for my processor |
| 21:29.39 | mon8 | but i can do that later |
| 21:29.41 | KnuckOne | loadlin or a live cd can help for such case SRabbelier :) |
| 21:29.45 | patrikf | nor with logical partitions when there are <4 primary partitions |
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| 21:30.05 | MoonTiger | i always do windows first if i can |
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| 21:30.14 | abrotman | mon8: it's already been done .. |
| 21:30.19 | f00li5h[HireMe] | -_- |
| 21:30.20 | patrikf | remembers some nasty dd stuff to shift a partition some bytes to the front to make it primary |
| 21:30.22 | amee2k | i stopped doing windows... |
| 21:30.31 | KnuckOne | i'm not allowed to use windows ;) |
| 21:30.37 | MoonTiger | amee2k, i would if were not for work |
| 21:31.02 | f00li5h[HireMe] | i'm having trouble with libapache2-mod-perl2 ... it's installed, but I don't seem to have the perl2.load and perl2.conf items in /etc/apache2/mods-available ... where can I get them? |
| 21:31.08 | amee2k | its like a drug. it ruins your day for a bit of good mood |
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| 21:31.25 | amee2k | and its difficult to get rid of when you're strung up |
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| 21:32.23 | SRabbelier | abrotman: oh, btw, what video drivers are you using for your T500? |
| 21:32.43 | abrotman | intel |
| 21:33.20 | SRabbelier | abrotman: what kind of video card is it then? |
| 21:33.21 | MoonTiger | abrotman, why not the ati stuff? |
| 21:33.47 | mon8 | linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 - Linux 2.6.24 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 21:34.05 | abrotman | MoonTiger: because i don't enjoy screwing around with video drivers? |
| 21:34.13 | abrotman | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07) |
| 21:34.28 | MoonTiger | abrotman, i agree ... im also using the intel on mine ... i was just curious is all :) |
| 21:34.31 | mon8 | nice ty |
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| 21:35.29 | ansu | hii all, is there anything like laptop-mode? |
| 21:35.31 | SRabbelier | abrotman: does that mean you're cripling your video card? or are the intel drivers good? |
| 21:36.00 | abrotman | SRabbelier: i prefer intel's open drivers to screwing around with the binary junk from ati/nvidia |
| 21:36.32 | SRabbelier | abrotman: definitely, just curious about their quality |
| 21:36.43 | abrotman | SRabbelier: uhm .. they work just fine for me |
| 21:37.12 | abrotman | SRabbelier: i'm not a PC Gamer .. so i'll take open drivers over hardware that a company wants to control with software |
| 21:37.28 | SRabbelier | abrotman: k, worth considering then; are those the drivers installed by default? |
| 21:37.51 | abrotman | yes |
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| 21:38.18 | SRabbelier | ok, works for me |
| 21:38.27 | abrotman | and if i could have chosen a slower wifi device with open drivers, i would have |
| 21:38.30 | jhutchins | SRabbelier: Did you get the radeon driver working well enough for you? |
| 21:38.41 | abrotman | (I had an orinoco card in my old laptop) |
| 21:39.13 | darkblue_B | am I missing something basic in the backports.org setup - to prefer backports to stable versions of components? I am getting blocked by libpq for Postgres from backports... ?? |
| 21:39.31 | SRabbelier | jhutchins: before I formatted... I had the ati binary drivers working with the 2.6.30 kernel |
| 21:39.38 | darkblue_B | similarly postgres-client-common |
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| 21:41.35 | jhutchins | SRabbelier: I googled your card and got some hits w/ the radeon driver mentioned. |
| 21:41.35 | el_compA | Hello foes anyone know of a good remte desktop connection app? |
| 21:41.40 | lnostdal | simonrvn, this http://defgeneric.blogspot.com/2009/12/how-to-properly-get-rid-of-mono-tomboy.html seems to work better; not that i know much about .deb stuff or apt in general, but there is no need to tag packages as 'manually installed' at least .. *shrug* |
| 21:41.59 | abrotman | !tell el_compA about search |
| 21:42.19 | jhutchins | SRabbelier: I don't know if debian has one of those automatic dkms things that builds the driver for you, but it's really not too hard to do. |
| 21:42.58 | jhutchins | dpkg: tell darkblue_B about backports |
| 21:43.02 | simonrvn | lnostdal: why are you telling me this? |
| 21:43.05 | SRabbelier | jhutchinsnot sure I understand what that would buy me though? |
| 21:43.05 | abrotman | jhutchins: /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner .. like that |
| 21:43.18 | ansu | is there any alternative to lm-sensors, |
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| 21:43.50 | jhutchins | darkblue_B: I've had pretty good luck with what little backport stuff I've done. |
| 21:43.56 | jhutchins | Still learning my debian chops. |
| 21:44.16 | darkblue_B | me too - I missed the -t lenny-backports part until just now |
| 21:44.26 | jhutchins | abrotman: !tell == dpkg: tell? |
| 21:44.28 | darkblue_B | its eviscerating my system though |
| 21:44.35 | abrotman | yes-ish |
| 21:44.35 | lnostdal | simonrvn, i don't have an answer to that and i do not expect a response in the first place |
| 21:45.12 | jhutchins | darkblue_B: I have read guides that show you how to use it selectively - I think at the backports web site. It should only install a requested package and dependencies. |
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| 21:45.46 | simonrvn | lnostdal: fine by me. hope it works out for you. |
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| 21:46.23 | SRabbelier | so much for trying to cheap out of burning another CD-R, CD-RW failed to even be seen as bootable -sigh- |
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| 21:48.02 | jhutchins | SRabbelier: I don't think a CD install is going to give you anything different from a network install. |
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| 21:48.02 | SRabbelier | jhutchins: I'm doing a network install |
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| 21:48.02 | SRabbelier | jhutchins: just burned the netinstall iso to a cd |
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| 21:48.35 | jhutchins | I thought you already had a netinstall Usb? |
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| 21:48.57 | jhutchins | SRabbelier: Anyway, good luck. |
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| 21:49.13 | SRabbelier | jhutchins: I tried the usb, but that didn't work out :P |
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| 21:50.15 | SRabbelier | jhutchins: (the netboot iso from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ expects to be put on a cd, wont' work with unetbootin) |
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| 21:50.18 | nixot | Hello |
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| 21:50.44 | nixot | when I close the lid of my laptop it doesn't actually suspend - just lock the screen |
| 21:50.52 | nixot | there's no way I can find to suspend it |
| 21:51.05 | nixot | it's really annoying because I have to have it either on or off |
| 21:51.08 | SRabbelier | jhutchins: (and the installer retrieved by unetbootin is not the one from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, apparently what it retrieves is outdated, as it has the 2.6.26 kernel) |
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| 21:51.17 | nixot | is there any packages I need to install or anything? |
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| 21:52.44 | nixot | anyone? |
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| 21:53.47 | SRabbelier | nixot: do you have the 'laptop' task thingy installeD? |
| 21:53.47 | amee2k | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:56.00 | nixot | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH netsplit D: |
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| 21:56.01 | dentifrice | hey there - i'm trying to use an if then expression within a .forward file, and it doesn't work - why ? |
| 21:56.20 | nixot | SRabbelier: what laptop task thingy? |
| 21:56.38 | SRabbelier | nixot: 'sudo aptitude install laptop' |
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| 21:56.51 | abrotman | uhm .. not quite |
| 21:56.52 | SRabbelier | nixot: that one, iirc it also installs some suspend/hibernate related stuff |
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| 21:57.14 | abrotman | tasksel install laptop ? |
| 21:57.22 | SRabbelier | abrotman: thanks, didn't know that one |
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| 21:57.35 | SRabbelier | nixot: ^ what he said |
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| 21:58.10 | nixot | OK |
| 21:58.16 | nixot | tasksel =? |
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| 21:58.21 | abrotman | it's a command |
| 21:58.29 | nixot | Er, like aptitude? |
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| 21:59.53 | nixot | EXCELLENT! |
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| 22:00.06 | nixot | I thought that Laptop thing was only for Vaios and thinkpads |
| 22:00.13 | nixot | because of the menus :P |
| 22:00.19 | nixot | OK... I found out what tasksel does |
| 22:00.23 | nixot | that's AWESOME, thanks for that |
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| 22:01.43 | Apex | What is the status on exchange 2007 and evolution? |
| 22:01.43 | nixot | Shudder... although it does remind me of installing debian |
| 22:01.44 | abrotman | nixot: aren't you using Debian now ? |
| 22:01.44 | nixot | Yeah... |
| 22:01.44 | nixot | Why would I be here otherwise? Debian ROCKS! :D |
| 22:01.44 | nixot | It's way better than Ubuntu! |
| 22:01.44 | ranix | well, yes |
| 22:01.44 | nixot | Lighter too! |
| 22:01.48 | ranix | well, that depends on what you install |
| 22:01.53 | nixot | True |
| 22:02.14 | ranix | debian just doesn't suggest heartily that you install piles of bullshit |
| 22:02.32 | nixot | but ubuntu 8.10 and later for some reason play sound out of sync on games |
| 22:02.39 | nixot | and I can't find any help on it! |
| 22:02.44 | AimHere | But if you want to, there's bigger piles of bullshit if you want it |
| 22:02.56 | nixot | and 8.04 won't get supported anymore... and that makes games really crackly |
| 22:03.27 | nixot | Yeah, now I've installed debian I have managed to bullshitify about ten installations before getting it the way I want |
| 22:04.39 | nkuttler | games? teh linux has games? |
| 22:04.43 | nixot | including installing KDE over gnome and filling up the disk so nothing more can be done... installing KDE4... somehow managing to get the gnome desktop in a TWM window as me dad turned off the computer halfway through updated |
| 22:04.48 | nixot | nkuttler: Yes... |
| 22:04.49 | nixot | xD |
| 22:05.25 | nixot | Yaoy! It is done! |
| 22:05.29 | amee2k | hm... UT2k3 and 2k4 work fine on linux iirc |
| 22:05.34 | nixot | I will now reboot and see what happens... |
| 22:05.37 | amee2k | also some versions of quake |
| 22:05.53 | nixot | yeah, I love to remove gnome-games and install my own games suite |
| 22:06.07 | nkuttler | i used to play quakeforge. tried to build it again two years ago or so but didn't manage to :/ |
| 22:06.26 | nixot | it just feels so satisfying seeing only my own games in the menu, and seeing them play so smoothly under linux : |
| 22:06.27 | nixot | :D |
| 22:06.33 | nixot | Anyway... better test out my new scripts |
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| 22:07.25 | tu | what package do I need to install to have Arial font in GIMP? |
| 22:07.59 | AimHere | Probably msttcorefonts, which is in unfree or contrib |
| 22:08.28 | LightKnight | tu: ttf-liberation? Or msttcorefont (thanks AimHere, didn't remember the exact package name)? |
| 22:08.40 | abrotman | !tell tu about search |
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| 22:09.02 | AimHere | Well apt-cache search msttcorefonts (or the aptitude/synaptic/web equivalent) |
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| 22:12.26 | tu | thanks, ttf-mscorefonts-installer did it |
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| 22:15.16 | nixot | no... |
| 22:15.19 | nixot | it didn't work :( |
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| 22:22.31 | darkblue_B | ?? the following package cannot be authenticated: apache2 ... ?? |
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| 22:23.31 | darkblue_B | two versions available 2.2.9-10+lenny4 and 6 |
| 22:23.50 | darkblue_B | not quite there with this backports setup.. |
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| 22:25.14 | darkblue_B | .. removed backports from sources.list |
| 22:25.17 | darkblue_B | update |
| 22:26.06 | simonrvn | !backports |
| 22:26.07 | dpkg | from memory, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
| 22:26.36 | darkblue_B | the cannot authenticate error is gone. |
| 22:26.46 | darkblue_B | so whatever the right solution was, now I dont have the problem |
| 22:26.57 | abrotman | you didn't import the key |
| 22:26.59 | darkblue_B | which is ok, I got postgres 8.4 |
| 22:27.10 | darkblue_B | I believe I did.. as a package |
| 22:27.10 | simonrvn | you didn't have its gpg key in apt-key's db |
| 22:27.26 | cantoma | guys, is it possible to download and install using only one debian cd that gives me access to a browser since in order to have access to internet i need to open a webpage in my university. |
| 22:27.56 | darkblue_B | .. but I could have missed a trick, yes.. I did read the part about getting the key, and I installed the pkg |
| 22:28.07 | LittleDedPenguin | cd 1 will do that, cantoma |
| 22:28.16 | simonrvn | if that were true, you wouldn't be getting that. ii debian-backports-keyring 2009.02.20 GnuPG archive key of the backports.org repository |
| 22:29.05 | cantoma | LittleDedPenguin, so download only debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso i will be able to open a browser and install the rest by internet |
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| 22:29.15 | abrotman | it's not a liveCD |
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| 22:30.14 | AimHere | If you really do want to install Debian onto the machine, the first CD should have enough to bring up a browser though |
| 22:30.18 | LittleDedPenguin | he'd making sure theres a web browser on the first install cd |
| 22:31.02 | LittleDedPenguin | web page authentication for web access |
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| 22:31.38 | latenite | hi anybody here...how does this irc thin gwork? |
| 22:32.01 | simonrvn | latenite: nope, not at all. |
| 22:32.10 | abrotman | latenite: google "irc primer" |
| 22:32.31 | AimHere | Basically you type stuff into this box at the bottom, then people tell you to 'stfu noob' |
| 22:32.38 | latenite | it says 53 user online |
| 22:32.46 | latenite | how do I get to see them? |
| 22:32.47 | AimHere | When they stop saying that, you win at IRC |
| 22:33.03 | simonrvn | AimHere: haha |
| 22:33.11 | abrotman | latenite: google "irc primer" |
| 22:33.35 | latenite | at least i "read" you an the "shutthef up thing" :9 |
| 22:34.08 | simonrvn | AFK |
| 22:35.22 | latenite | hey simon...once again: do i get so see users like in a "chatroom" or ONLY when they typ something? |
| 22:35.48 | AimHere | latenite, depends on what software you're using. IRC is a protocol, not a program |
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| 22:36.07 | latenite | what is s good room to ask an nidia-debian-x-server question? |
| 22:36.27 | latenite | rightnow i am with "x-chat" |
| 22:36.47 | simonrvn | why do people keep talking to you when you say AFK ? |
| 22:36.53 | simonrvn | afk |
| 22:36.55 | AimHere | Same here. It's a bit configurable, but with my window, I see the list of users on the right. |
| 22:36.57 | themill | simonrvn: dunno |
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| 22:37.04 | markybob | simonrvn, it's sunday |
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| 22:37.19 | nixot | Hi all, I can't stand by when I close the lid of my laptop |
| 22:37.21 | AimHere | simonrvn, I talk to you afk because you keep answering! |
| 22:37.30 | latenite | all users?...or just the ones that have said something? |
| 22:37.44 | AimHere | I see all 951 of them |
| 22:37.56 | kingsley3 | How would you fix "Creating journal on device /dev/sda1: tune2fs: Journal superblock not found while adding filesystem to journal on /dev/sda1", which was reported after entering "tune2fs -j -J device=/dev/sda1 /dev/sdb2"? |
| 22:38.03 | latenite | hmm *damn...I guess i need a better client |
| 22:38.04 | nixot | Hi all, I can't stand by when I close the lid of my laptop |
| 22:38.07 | nixot | any thoughts? |
| 22:38.12 | latenite | any suggetions?...I am on a debain box |
| 22:38.16 | nixot | it just locks the screen |
| 22:38.23 | nixot | latenite: Pidgin. |
| 22:38.28 | nixot | KSirc. |
| 22:38.37 | pipeline_ | kingsley3: I didn't realize that external journals were known to be working in ext3 |
| 22:38.40 | AimHere | latenite, I'm using xchat on debian. Perhaps you should read up on xchat |
| 22:38.55 | AimHere | There's a 'help' button in the menu bar at the top |
| 22:39.07 | latenite | i am on xchat rightnow!!!....do YOU see all 951 users? |
| 22:39.10 | shingouz | latenite: xchat. and if you move the bits around a bit in the xchat window, you will be able to see the sidebar with 950 users |
| 22:39.12 | pipeline_ | kingsley3: haha the man page explains it mke2fs -O journal_dev external-journal |
| 22:39.26 | shingouz | latenite: running xchat here now |
| 22:39.26 | kingsley3 | pipeline_ They work, I've used them. |
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| 22:40.49 | themill | latenite: perhaps you should "/join #xchat" and ask for help driving your irc client there. |
| 22:40.50 | latenite | any xchat users here who do see all 950 logied iin useres...(somewhere on the right)...cause I don't |
| 22:41.03 | LittleDedPenguin | i do |
| 22:41.08 | LittleDedPenguin | 951 total |
| 22:41.11 | abrotman | latenite: ask #xchat |
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| 22:41.17 | SRabbelier | abrotman: yay, laptop booting, and wireless working |
| 22:41.27 | latenite | #xchat |
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| 22:41.39 | latenite | what? lol.. |
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| 22:42.49 | sauvin | I don't see no 951 peeps in the channel now... :D |
| 22:43.49 | latenite | I do now!...xchat has this litte button inthe left -> opens ups a scrollmenu with all the users |
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| 22:44.12 | qubits | Hello there |
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| 22:44.31 | qubits | I'm attempting a graphical install on a toshiba satellite laptop |
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| 22:44.42 | qubits | with the amd64 netinstst disk |
| 22:44.43 | latenite | that "/join #TOPIC" thing opens up something like a new subcategory I d like to talk about?..is that right? |
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| 22:44.54 | qubits | but im getting repeating failures of X initialization |
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| 22:45.04 | simonrvn | comes back and sees the scrollback... "AAARGH!" hahaha |
| 22:45.08 | osfd | Hi. can I install mythtv on my debian lenny. I mean will I be able to use mythtv as an classic app like mplayer for example ? |
| 22:45.08 | qubits | let me try to read the error |
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| 22:45.19 | shingouz | latenite: if you want to ask something about debian, just ask here |
| 22:45.32 | abrotman | oh no! |
| 22:45.45 | qubits | it flashes white then dies then flashes white tyhen dies, its saying |
| 22:45.45 | latenite | ok thanks: here comes my question-> |
| 22:45.54 | shingouz | abrotman: it is sunday... |
| 22:47.33 | latenite | I get a blankscreen (monitor off) when having "nvidia" set a driver in my xorg.conf. I have 2.6.32 kernel and newes nvidia_driver.sh which i have installed via "init 1"...any idea what could have went wring? |
| 22:47.47 | cantoma | LittleDedPenguin, thank for the information .. sorry i went away for 5 minutes .. i will have a look a cd1 first before doing it. |
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| 22:49.16 | qubits | gdk-critical gdk_drawable_set_colormap: assertion ` cmap == NULL || gdk_drawable_get_depth (drawable) == cmap->visual->depth`failed |
| 22:49.42 | qubits | this is 5.0.3 |
| 22:49.47 | abrotman | qubits: so use the regular installer ? |
| 22:49.53 | qubits | any bootargs to force a screen resolution, would that help? |
| 22:50.12 | qubits | but will it still happen when x installs |
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| 22:50.44 | latenite | what bootargs?...sorry for beeing stupid? (things like 1280x1024)? |
| 22:51.25 | qubits | latenite |
| 22:51.28 | qubits | are you trying to help me |
| 22:51.31 | qubits | or do you have your own issue |
| 22:51.34 | latenite | x is runnning!! but screen goes OFF....then i change back via ALT+F2 to textmode...to rescue |
| 22:51.34 | abrotman | qubits: no, he's not |
| 22:51.47 | abrotman | latenite: how did you instlal the nvidia drivers ? |
| 22:52.00 | abrotman | latenite: also .. what does 'uname -a' say ? |
| 22:52.04 | qubits | hey abrotman thanks for the advice anyway |
| 22:52.09 | qubits | i will stick around during the install |
| 22:52.23 | qubits | im putting it on an amd turion tl-56 dual core 64bit amd |
| 22:52.36 | qubits | the laptop is kinda shit but for some reason i still think it has potential |
| 22:52.48 | qubits | its been crashing a buncha of apps in my new win2k8 install, kinda queer |
| 22:52.54 | latenite | changed the runlevel to init 1. ran the insallscript via "sh NVIDIA_blala.sh". let the script make a new xorg.conf----reboot |
| 22:53.02 | abrotman | that's wrong |
| 22:53.05 | abrotman | latenite: also .. what does 'uname -a' say ? |
| 22:53.26 | latenite | uname -a Linux desktop 2.6.32mysecondkernel #7 SMP PREEMPT Sun Dec 13 22:56:56 CET 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:53.36 | markybob | jesus |
| 22:53.41 | qubits | Hey I've run thru several installations |
| 22:53.51 | abrotman | latenite: okay .. one more try .. 'dpkg -l | tail -1' .. what does it say ? |
| 22:53.52 | qubits | Would it be stupid to do an expert install mode |
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| 22:54.06 | abrotman | qubits: probably |
| 22:54.11 | qubits | Whats the diff |
| 22:54.19 | latenite | ii zlib1g-dev 1:1.2.3.3.dfsg-15 compression library - development |
| 22:54.20 | abrotman | qubits: are you saying the ncurses installer fails ? |
| 22:54.27 | qubits | no |
| 22:54.30 | abrotman | latenite: okay .. one more try .. 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' .. what does it say ? |
| 22:54.31 | qubits | i havent tried the normal |
| 22:54.32 | abrotman | sorry |
| 22:54.44 | qubits | id like to try expert |
| 22:54.49 | latenite | ii libc6 2.10.2-2 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 22:54.55 | qubits | so i dont miss anything |
| 22:55.02 | latenite | funny...what is all that?... :) |
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| 22:55.17 | qubits | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.28 | abrotman | latenite: so you're using unstable, with your own compiled kernel, and you installed the nvidia drivers the wrong way? |
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| 22:55.40 | qubits | lulz |
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| 22:55.47 | qubits | ok executing export install in 5 |
| 22:55.47 | markybob | latenite, if you dont know, uh, much, why are you fucking around with unstable and using binary installers instead of debian's packaged? |
| 22:55.50 | qubits | 4 |
| 22:55.55 | qubits | 2 |
| 22:56.01 | qubits | nao |
| 22:56.05 | latenite | the wrong way?...what is wrong about the way i did it?..what is the right way? |
| 22:56.12 | qubits | yay i love debian |
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| 22:56.37 | qubits | saw alot of repeating errors scroll by |
| 22:56.39 | qubits | 2 |
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| 22:57.08 | latenite | debian itself has REAL nvidadrivers?...did n know! |
| 22:57.35 | qubits | resource map sanity check conflict |
| 22:57.43 | qubits | didnt know that lat |
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| 22:58.10 | markybob | latenite, you should not be using unstable. you will get no help in here for it. nor should you use the installer from nvidia, as it is also not supported in here. |
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| 22:58.43 | qubits | should i hookup an ethernet |
| 22:59.13 | nixot | Hi all, I can't stand by when I close the lid of my laptop - it just locks the screen and doesn't suspend |
| 22:59.17 | latenite | oh ok! didn t know that!... I qould use another driver (if you can tell me how to) BUT i will stick with squeeze for now |
| 22:59.31 | abrotman | nixot: did you install any packages to suspend it ? |
| 22:59.35 | latenite | is there a way to get my screen back to life?? :) |
| 22:59.43 | markybob | !nvidia squeeze |
| 22:59.43 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
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| 23:00.28 | nsx | gosh that's so simple |
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| 23:00.56 | darkblue_B | postgres is all working fine now.. and postgis.. so I guess all that mucking about worked out |
| 23:01.01 | alnr | hi all, when using debootstrap, should proc be mounted outside the chroot or inside and why? |
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| 23:02.10 | spiky25 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:03.06 | valdyn | alnr: whatever you want |
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| 23:04.12 | themill | alnr: installing/upgrading packages can fail if /proc isn't mounted; you might want to "/msg dpkg policy-rc.d" to make sure the chroot doesn't influence the host though |
| 23:04.47 | qubits | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:05.22 | valdyn | !tell qubits -about enter |
| 23:05.29 | valdyn | !tell qubits -about ask |
| 23:05.36 | alnr | i did it inside and all seemed to work ok, but some insttructions i've seen have it being done outside, I would think it made sense to go in the chroot fstab |
| 23:06.01 | valdyn | alnr: both works |
| 23:06.05 | qubits | !tell valdyn -about analcex |
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| 23:06.08 | alnr | also i'm quite unclear about /dev and /devpts. |
| 23:06.08 | gngkai | hi |
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| 23:06.13 | valdyn | alnr: but proc isnt in debians fstab |
| 23:06.15 | alnr | dev/pts* |
| 23:06.29 | valdyn | qubits: youre not required to read or follow this, but it increases chances that you get help |
| 23:06.34 | gngkai | I have a problem using cryptsetup on md devices |
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| 23:06.42 | gngkai | device-mapper: table: 253:0: crypt: Device lookup failed |
| 23:06.48 | gngkai | device-mapper: ioctl: device doesn't appear to be in the dev hash table. |
| 23:07.31 | themill | qubits: being an idiot won't get you help any faster. |
| 23:07.31 | latenite | <dpkg> install nvidia-kernel-source gives me dependenciy problems.... |
| 23:07.31 | gngkai | anyone experienced similar issue? |
| 23:07.31 | markybob | alnr, you should be using bind mount |
| 23:07.31 | qubits | valdyn i've run my own irc server for quite some time, you don't need to lecture me on punctuation and netiquette |
| 23:07.38 | itsosimpo | hey guys i think there's something wrong with my c preprocessor |
| 23:07.45 | itsosimpo | could someone help me out? |
| 23:07.59 | abrotman | !b-e itsosimpo |
| 23:07.59 | dpkg | itsosimpo: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 23:08.00 | qubits | also themill, i'm not sure if you know the definition of the big words you're using, i.e. idiot, but iirc in my merriam webster thesaurus your nick is in the top 3 synonyms for it |
| 23:08.03 | itsosimpo | i'm getting the following error "error: stderr undeclared (first use in this function)" |
| 23:08.05 | itsosimpo | i did that |
| 23:08.07 | alnr | markybob from outside like this? mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev |
| 23:08.14 | markybob | alnr, http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html search for "Installing a Debian IA32 chroot system" and you'll see what you need to use bind mount month |
| 23:08.19 | abrotman | itsosimpo: sounds like your code is bugged |
| 23:08.24 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@unaffiliated/qubits] by ChanServ |
| 23:08.28 | filibustero | o.o |
| 23:08.34 | abrotman | qubits: please stop picking fights |
| 23:08.36 | itsosimpo | no it's not |
| 23:08.48 | itsosimpo | i declare #include<stdio.h> at the top |
| 23:08.53 | valdyn | alnr: bound mount isnt required, all methods work the same |
| 23:08.59 | themill | qubits: take a timeout from #debian and work out what help you actually want and how to interact with real-world people to get it. |
| 23:09.00 | itsosimpo | here is my code |
| 23:09.07 | valdyn | alnr: with each having their own usability quirks |
| 23:09.10 | themill | dpkg: tell itsosimpo about paste |
| 23:09.12 | itsosimpo | http://pastebin.com/m35159773 |
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| 23:10.58 | itsosimpo | it's complainging about stderr in line 441 |
| 23:11.03 | itsosimpo | but not anything inside of the function main |
| 23:11.25 | exhalted | themill if you knew anything about interacting with real'world people i think you'd spend less time fapping to your ops in a virtual community and more time getting out in the sun working on that vitamin d deficient computer tan you've been spending the last decade working on |
| 23:11.26 | exhalted | rofl |
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| 23:11.43 | itsosimpo | i tried to #include<stdio.h> inside the function void VectorAllocate |
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| 23:12.23 | remote | how can i configure screen sleeping? |
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| 23:13.00 | abrotman | qubits: you're not very smart |
| 23:13.30 | abrotman | remote: at the terminal or in X |
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| 23:14.19 | remote | in X |
| 23:14.25 | abrotman | remote: depends on your DE/WM |
| 23:14.30 | remote | ion3 |
| 23:14.37 | remote | DE ? |
| 23:14.37 | valdyn | itsosimpo: what is the actual error? |
| 23:14.39 | abrotman | remote: so you want it to sleep or not sleep ? |
| 23:14.43 | remote | not sleep |
| 23:14.45 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 23:14.48 | abrotman | !tell remote about dmps |
| 23:14.51 | abrotman | !tell remote about dpms |
| 23:15.07 | remote | thank you abrotman |
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| 23:15.41 | itsosimpo | http://pastebin.com/m7bfa0141 |
| 23:16.41 | abrotman | itsosimpo: what are you compiling ? |
| 23:16.46 | itsosimpo | here is my source code: http://pastebin.com/m279db1d1 |
| 23:16.51 | valdyn | itsosimpo: is that your code? |
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| 23:17.09 | valdyn | itsosimpo: those errors are a little trivial for someone wanting to have written this |
| 23:17.37 | itsosimpo | it's been a while |
| 23:17.47 | itsosimpo | i don't know what's going on. i suspect it's the c preprocessor |
| 23:18.03 | valdyn | itsosimpo: i suspect its your exit function usage |
| 23:18.18 | itsosimpo | strange that i also need to define ESC, ERRORLEVEL, ITEMS (lines 27-29) when i compile |
| 23:18.19 | valdyn | itsosimpo: redefining a builtin uh? |
| 23:18.36 | itsosimpo | valdyn: i'm not sure what you mean |
| 23:19.00 | valdyn | itsosimpo: i mean line 3 |
| 23:19.05 | itsosimpo | yeah i don't knwo what's wrong with that exit statement either |
| 23:19.23 | itsosimpo | maybe i'll just use returns |
| 23:19.46 | themill | itsosimpo: what's with line 48? |
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| 23:20.21 | themill | itsosimpo: (of your C file that is... #include<stdio.h> should not be inside main) |
| 23:20.31 | itsosimpo | it's not inside main |
| 23:20.39 | itsosimpo | oh right |
| 23:20.47 | itsosimpo | it doesn't work when idon't have that there. |
| 23:21.02 | themill | it doesn't work with it there either |
| 23:21.21 | itsosimpo | when i take it out it won't read the type FILE |
| 23:21.42 | itsosimpo | and returns an error saying that i need to include the package in each function |
| 23:22.33 | valdyn | itsosimpo: broken toolchain? i get completely different errors |
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| 23:23.02 | valdyn | itsosimpo: this is msdos C |
| 23:23.11 | valdyn | itsosimpo: or windows 3.11 |
| 23:23.17 | itsosimpo | ho do you know? |
| 23:23.22 | valdyn | itsosimpo: "include <conio.h>" ? |
| 23:23.32 | themill | it's completely broken C so each different version of gcc is going to barf in different ways |
| 23:24.25 | valdyn | getch is also windows / dos |
| 23:24.37 | valdyn | kbhit is wtf what i dont know |
| 23:25.05 | KnuckOne | conio is typical borland stuff :] |
| 23:25.31 | valdyn | its on curses tho, maybe thats useful |
| 23:26.10 | itsosimpo | oh right. |
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| 23:26.59 | valdyn | if kbhit |
| 23:27.02 | Gambaroni | How do I solve svnbackup? I want to backup with rsync every night.. I heard that just copy the repo-files isn't good enough. |
| 23:27.19 | valdyn | that got to be from nowhere but another file of yours? |
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| 23:28.07 | jgiorgi | how can i take a package (apache for example) back to its default config? |
| 23:28.50 | KnuckOne | 'apt-get --purge --reinstall install apache' iirc |
| 23:28.55 | Erotic_Cowboy | I had an intresting social question for you all. Of the guys in here who have girlfriends or wives, how many of you have gotten you significant other to use only debian or any other derivitive of linux? |
| 23:28.56 | jgiorgi | ty |
| 23:28.57 | valdyn | itsosimpo: this compiles with gcc -lm -lcurses : https://valdyn.org/testnew.c |
| 23:29.36 | themill | Gambaroni: svk is one way of doing this. There are also svn-{hot,fast}-backup utilities. |
| 23:29.47 | kusanagi_ | how do i know what dns server is my computer using among all those in resolv.conf? |
| 23:29.56 | valdyn | kusanagi_: the topmost |
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| 23:30.01 | themill | Erotic_Cowboy: try #debian-offtopic |
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| 23:30.28 | itsosimpo | valdyn: wow what did you do there? |
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| 23:30.36 | valdyn | itsosimpo: man diff |
| 23:30.47 | itsosimpo | thanks |
| 23:31.09 | themill | jgiorgi, KnuckOne: make sure you know what package you're actually reinstalling... apache config is in apache2.2-common, not in apache. |
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| 23:31.33 | Gambaroni | themill does it only support fsfs? |
| 23:31.54 | jgiorgi | themill, thanks |
| 23:32.19 | itsosimpo | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lcurses |
| 23:32.45 | valdyn | !ncurses |
| 23:32.45 | dpkg | from memory, ncurses is a free clone of curses, a library for the management of in- and output for character-cell based terminals and terminal emulators. fun. If you want to install ncurses, you most likely wants to: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
| 23:32.50 | themill | Gambaroni: svk? it just does an svn update and checks it in to another svn repository |
| 23:33.09 | valdyn | itsosimpo: read the code, i did change functionality |
| 23:33.55 | valdyn | itsosimpo: but looks like the code is crappy enough that it does not even matter |
| 23:34.11 | Gambaroni | themill svn-hot/fast-backup |
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| 23:34.28 | valdyn | itsosimpo: i.e. getch *already* returns if theres no input , "if kbhit()" is redundant or so it seems |
| 23:34.49 | valdyn | itsosimpo: question is if this just works, this is a curses function |
| 23:35.02 | themill | Gambaroni: no idea. I've never used them... check the documentation for them, perhaps /msg dpkg svn book |
| 23:35.18 | Gambaroni | ok |
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| 23:36.45 | dlynes | Does Lenny not have 'type1inst'? |
| 23:37.05 | valdyn | dpkg: find type1inst |
| 23:37.06 | itsosimpo | hm |
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| 23:38.20 | dlynes | Guess not? |
| 23:38.32 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'type1inst' returned no results. |
| 23:38.49 | valdyn | dlynes: debian does not have that file |
| 23:39.25 | eulalia | Hi Debian, I have followed the instructions here: http://wiki.debian.org/acx#ACX111 / http://wiki.debian.org/acx#Lenny as well as http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/HowToUse . My wireless card detects the network fine, but can't connect (trys to obtain an IP address for ~5 minutes, then quits). Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 23:39.40 | dlynes | valdyn: it seemed to have it in etch: http://packages.debian.org/etch/type1inst |
| 23:39.48 | itsosimpo | valdyn: thank you, looks like i need to practice and research more c |
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| 23:39.59 | itsosimpo | more in c* |
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| 23:40.12 | valdyn | dlynes: redundant i think |
| 23:40.31 | dlynes | valdyn: redundant with what? There's another utility to replace it now? |
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| 23:40.38 | valdyn | !fonts |
| 23:40.38 | dpkg | from memory, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>. |
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| 23:40.49 | valdyn | omg dont follow those links |
| 23:40.54 | valdyn | !install font |
| 23:40.54 | dpkg | To install fonts for just one user, copy then into ~/.fonts/ and then run fc-cache -fv (or ask me about <kfontinst>). To install them system-wide, copy them into /usr/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts or into /usr/local/share/fonts/truetype/myfonts (but you will have to add /usr/local/share/fonts/ to your xorg.conf) and run fc-cache -fv as root. |
| 23:40.54 | dlynes | haha |
| 23:41.02 | valdyn | thats better |
| 23:41.15 | paissad-hp | how to know the application that uses port 8080 on my computer ? |
| 23:41.20 | paissad-hp | i would like to stop it ! |
| 23:41.21 | dlynes | valdyn: i guess the omg was because those links were so old? |
| 23:41.35 | dlynes | paissad-hp: netstat -anp | grep ":8080" will tell you |
| 23:41.36 | valdyn | dlynes: yea |
| 23:41.48 | mrrcp | anyone around here know of a proxy server that makes users forward to a website and make them agree of TOS before allowing access? |
| 23:42.00 | valdyn | mrrcp: squid |
| 23:42.15 | mrrcp | really? |
| 23:42.32 | valdyn | mrrcp: yes, really |
| 23:42.38 | dlynes | mrrcp: really...you can also have it act as a transparent proxy server, too |
| 23:42.49 | dlynes | mrrcp: so you don't even have to configure it in the user's browser |
| 23:42.55 | valdyn | i dont think theres anyting like squid, but what do i know |
| 23:43.14 | mrrcp | well basicly i want to make my wifi router go through the server |
| 23:43.40 | mrrcp | so inorder to use my internet they have to agree to TOS or have a user and password? |
| 23:43.54 | mrrcp | i can do this with squid tho eh? |
| 23:44.15 | dlynes | mrrcp: if your router has an option to force everyone to use a proxy server, yes |
| 23:44.36 | mrrcp | sweet |
| 23:45.22 | paissad-hp | dlynes, but i don't have the name of the process or the PID |
| 23:45.34 | paissad-hp | something that help me kill that app |
| 23:45.45 | valdyn | paissad-hp: "sudo netstat -plunt" |
| 23:46.09 | dlynes | paissad-hp: if you do 'netstat -anp | grep ":8080"', it'll tell you what process it was in the last column |
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| 23:46.50 | Stylles | hi.. |
| 23:47.00 | valdyn | dlynes: i see only unix sockets in -anp |
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| 23:47.13 | paissad-hp | dlynes, here is the result i get |
| 23:47.14 | paissad-hp | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8080 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 23:47.17 | dlynes | valdyn: It should list udp and tcp as well |
| 23:47.26 | valdyn | paissad-hp: as root |
| 23:47.29 | Stylles | someone already installed kerberos? |
| 23:47.41 | paissad-hp | valdyn, got it thx |
| 23:47.44 | paissad-hp | dlynes, thx |
| 23:47.54 | dlynes | paissad-hp: so you found out what it was,t hen? |
| 23:48.02 | dlynes | paissad-hp: probably tomcat, or something |
| 23:48.13 | paissad-hp | dlynes, glassfish i think |
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| 23:48.20 | dlynes | ah...never heard of it |
| 23:48.21 | paissad-hp | or something like that, you're right |
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| 23:48.29 | valdyn | Open source Java EE 5 Application Server |
| 23:48.33 | valdyn | something like tomcat |
| 23:48.42 | dlynes | ah...so like tomcat or jetty then |
| 23:48.47 | paissad-hp | dlynes, yes |
| 23:48.59 | gauge | I can;t seem to get my nfs server working. Every time I try to mount the share my client says the connection timed out. Ideas? |
| 23:49.12 | dlynes | I haven't done any j2ee for a while, so I'm not up on all the containers/servers anymore |
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| 23:50.47 | nevyn | gauge: start portmap |
| 23:52.54 | gauge | It was already running. I restarted it jsut incase. But it looks liek that wasn't the problem |
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| 23:56.25 | mdeonte | can i put the debian sources on ubuntu |
| 23:56.55 | dlynes | mdeonte: probably a better question to ask on #ubuntu |
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| 23:57.03 | themill | mdeonte: it's not going to end well if you do |
| 23:57.25 | mdeonte | well all debian has is outdated packages so it shouldnt harm anything |
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| 23:57.56 | themill | right.... |
| 23:58.28 | dlynes | mdeonte: fwiw, they're not outdated...they're stable |
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| 23:58.51 | dlynes | mdeonte: which is why i use debian, and not redhat/centos/fedora |
| 23:59.38 | SRabbelier | abrotman: amazing... 'aptitude install fglrx-drivers' Just Worked (TM) |
