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| 00:02.10 | blizzow1 | phogg: sorry, I was thinking of something like /etc/debian-version. base files package is at 5.0.0 according to synaptic. |
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| 00:03.08 | blizzow1 | phogg: if I do aptitude show base-files, it also gives version 5.0.0 |
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| 00:03.38 | phogg | it's not likely do be different |
| 00:03.44 | phogg | base-files provides debian version |
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| 00:26.50 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 00:30.10 | gkffjcs_ | Hey all, I'm installing a debian system on a laptop, all I want the cd to install is the base system, how do I tell the installer cd to stop and install grub after installing the base system? |
| 00:30.24 | abrotman | just skip the tasksel part |
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| 00:32.37 | zykes- | anyone here got a clue on this: [ 1691.56512514 ) raid5 : not enough operational devices for md2 (7/8 failed) |
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| 00:32.46 | zykes- | installed 64 bit debian contra 32 bit |
| 00:32.57 | gkffjcs_ | I'm using a debian xfce installer cd, It keeps trying to install the entire desktop which I don't want, and it doesn't give me the task selection menu, it just says running tasksel with no other option. |
| 00:34.55 | abrotman | so uncheck the desktop option |
| 00:35.03 | abrotman | or use the netinst ? |
| 00:35.10 | abrotman | or remov ethe task afte rinstall |
| 00:36.54 | gkffjcs_ | I just cancelled it and set it to expert. Hopefully this time it will give me all the menues, I know what you were saying, but it never gave me a menu or allowed me to select if I wanted a desktop it just assumed yes, and tried to install it. |
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| 00:39.53 | abrotman | and i've never used the xfce installler :) |
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| 00:45.13 | phogg | dudeawesome |
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| 00:50.34 | gawry | hello there |
| 00:51.09 | nikk | hiya, what would be an easy way to insert some text at the beginning of every line of a text file? (3k lines, so copy-paste = carpal tunnel) |
| 00:51.11 | gawry | How can i find out how the network interfaces pluged into the hardware |
| 00:51.15 | abrotman | sed |
| 00:51.21 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 00:51.22 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw, or even dmesg to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! If you install lshw, run "lshw -html > myhardware.html" as root and you'll have a nice HTML summation. See also <myram>. |
| 00:51.36 | nikk | abrotman: k, i'll google fu it thanks |
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| 00:54.17 | lolufail | hi! I'm using stock lenny kernel, but mdadm with dm_crypt keeps producing kernel-bugs. should I try vanilla kernel? or sid? or wont that help at all? |
| 00:54.31 | cast | nikk: sed would be best, but i'd probably use vim |
| 00:55.04 | gawry | dpkg: I'm trying to configurate network for a virtual machine... that is a debian guest |
| 00:55.04 | dpkg | gawry: what are you talking about? |
| 00:55.41 | DogBoy | easy to do with sed |
| 00:56.06 | DogBoy | how would you do that with vim |
| 00:56.15 | gawry | dpkg: well.. I though you were trying to answer my question few lines ago |
| 00:56.15 | dpkg | gawry: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request |
| 00:56.31 | DogBoy | dpkg is a bot |
| 00:56.31 | dpkg | DogBoy: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 00:56.46 | gawry | oh.. :-P |
| 00:56.52 | gawry | my mistake |
| 00:57.52 | lolufail | is anybody using mdadm below md_crypt with success? |
| 00:58.08 | gawry | so... does anyone knows how to configure a network in a debian running inside a virtual machine? a bridge network |
| 00:58.09 | cast | do you mean dm? |
| 00:58.25 | lolufail | cast: yes, dm_crypt |
| 00:58.39 | cast | lolufail: i'm sure many people are |
| 00:58.45 | rvalles | !whats myram |
| 00:59.18 | lolufail | cast: well, this is the second raid I'm trying this with, I keep hitting the kernel bug on heavy IO |
| 00:59.31 | lolufail | it's really dangerous for my data, last time I lost 8tb |
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| 01:00.13 | ebcnrypt | i setup raid 10 on my supermicro motherboard for my 4 disks.. i wonder how to install debian on this raid? When i reach the partitioning section of installation, it shows all 4 disks.. shouldnt it show the lvm? |
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| 01:00.59 | lolufail | ebcnrypt: you need dm_raid for that if I'm not mistaken |
| 01:01.03 | cast | you don't ever really lose data, it lives on in backups |
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| 01:01.18 | lolufail | cast: show me howto backup 14tb, and I'll be with you. |
| 01:01.25 | ebcnrypt | lolufail oh thanks.. dm_raid is not familiar to me.. is it a driver or something? |
| 01:01.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | In the repos there is a program called beef - flexible Brainfuck interpreter. Is that a good program to get a good brainfuck or are there better? |
| 01:01.52 | lolufail | ebcnrypt: yes. because your motherboard does not do any real raid, the driver handles it |
| 01:02.04 | ebcnrypt | oh thanks lolufail ill research |
| 01:02.07 | lolufail | np |
| 01:02.42 | gawry | abrotman: any idea on how to set this configuration up? |
| 01:02.47 | cast | points at a tape library, a 10 disk sata array, and amazon S3 |
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| 01:02.49 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 01:02.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | Not really sure what a brainfuck is actually. |
| 01:03.19 | lolufail | LinuxGuy2009: wikipedia it |
| 01:03.32 | DogBoy | or install it and read the man page |
| 01:03.41 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: programming language |
| 01:03.50 | lolufail | quite awesome one :D |
| 01:03.58 | lolufail | right next to whitespace |
| 01:03.59 | abrotman | gawry: if the network is bridged, it should be pretty easy |
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| 01:04.14 | phogg | whitespace is one step up from intercal in terms of masochism |
| 01:04.28 | lolufail | never heard of intercal ;) wait |
| 01:04.39 | gawry | abrotman: I'm not really sure how should I do this on my mac.. |
| 01:04.47 | phogg | lolufail: oh my, you are in for some fun |
| 01:05.12 | LinuxGuy2009 | Man now I wonder if there is an assreamer interpreter. |
| 01:05.29 | phogg | LinuxGuy2009: not at this time, no |
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| 01:06.37 | abrotman | gawry: neither am i .. i blew away OSX :) |
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| 01:08.10 | lolufail | why is aren't there any virtualisation kernels in sed/sqeeze yet? |
| 01:08.43 | lolufail | sid* |
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| 01:09.53 | BrianHV | on stable, installing openssh-server wants to install x11 stuff. is there some way to prevent that? |
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| 01:10.49 | Vorbote | lolufail: in Sid you can try lxc, the mainline answer to vserver |
| 01:10.54 | phogg | BrianHV: are you installing without recommends? |
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| 01:11.11 | echosystm | whats the best way to get tint2 in debian stable? |
| 01:11.24 | echosystm | should i compile from source or try to get it out of testing etc. |
| 01:11.42 | lolufail | Vorbote: anything about the performance in comparison to openvz? |
| 01:11.49 | BrianHV | phogg: can't say I know what that means. I'm doing apt-get install openssh-server |
| 01:12.04 | lolufail | can I still mount directories of the host into the vm with mount -o bind :D? |
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| 01:12.57 | Jorophose | is there any way to boot debian through windows 7's bootloader? |
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| 01:13.36 | Vorbote | lolufail: While lxc is still work in progress, it is supposedly faster and with a smaller surface of attack (linux containers should become equal to Solaris zones next year). |
| 01:14.10 | phogg | Vorbote: say, that's good news |
| 01:14.56 | Vorbote | I've been waiting for that a long time myself. I'm testing GNU/kFreeBSD because I want jails... |
| 01:15.07 | lolufail | Vorbote: I'mma try apt-pinning it from squeeze, should not fuck up my system, hopefully :D |
| 01:15.50 | lolufail | Vorbote: so the squeeze/sid kernels already contain this? |
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| 01:15.58 | lolufail | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=lxc |
| 01:15.59 | Vorbote | lolufail: it shouldn't, but there could be problems with the userspace if it is asking for features that are not in an older kernel. |
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| 01:16.21 | Vorbote | lolufail: lxc has been in the kernel since 2.6.27 if memory serves. |
| 01:16.31 | lolufail | huh |
| 01:16.34 | lolufail | missed that :D |
| 01:17.18 | Vorbote | lolufail: There is a nice article in IBM Developer Works about it. Can't find the bookmark though. |
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| 01:17.35 | lolufail | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lxc-containers/?ca=dgr-lnxw9dLinux-Containers&S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=grsitelnxw9d |
| 01:17.44 | Vorbote | That's the one. |
| 01:18.17 | lolufail | I'm using proxmox now, with a2.6.24, maybe that's not too helpful for my mdadm problem |
| 01:18.18 | gawry | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
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| 01:18.36 | lolufail | 2.6.30 .. pressing thumbs |
| 01:18.39 | gawry | eth0: ERROR whiule getting interface flags: no such device |
| 01:18.52 | gawry | does anyone knows that that means? |
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| 01:19.50 | ge0rge007 | hello all! After i upgrade from lenny to squeeze the touchpad don't work at my laptop (lenovo T61).I can move the mouse with the touchpad but i cant select anything. |
| 01:19.59 | zinx | gawry: it means there isn't a network device named "eth0" |
| 01:20.08 | Vorbote | lolufail: considering the incredible amount of work that has gotten into the block devices subsystem, probably you are missing important fixes. |
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| 01:20.35 | gawry | zinx: and how do I find out what are the network devices available? |
| 01:20.39 | edgardo-laptop | hi |
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| 01:20.53 | lolufail | gawry: ifconfig -a |
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| 01:21.43 | brokensambot | Anyone has experience with headless installs? Pretty straight forward as long as bios is set to boot install media? |
| 01:21.46 | brokensambot | have |
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| 01:22.03 | Vorbote | ge0rge007: It isn't broken. The tap-click behavior was disabled upstream. Use the buttons or use xconf to modify the synaptics settings (shmconfig doesn't work anymore, you can had the HAL .fdi files though). |
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| 01:22.08 | gawry | Love you guys! |
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| 01:22.19 | gawry | Thank god it works! |
| 01:22.38 | lolufail | brokensambot: oh hell no, you have to go through a crap load of menus to get the network install readied up |
| 01:22.43 | makoshark86 | i'm trying to install a pakage from testing, but i'm having trouble |
| 01:22.46 | makoshark86 | i've tried adding APT::Default-Release "stable"; |
| 01:22.51 | makoshark86 | to /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 01:23.02 | makoshark86 | but if i add the line in sources.conf for the testing repo, it tries to upgrade everything to testing |
| 01:23.09 | makoshark86 | is that an old method? am i missing something? |
| 01:23.15 | ge0rge007 | Vorbote:i will try it thanks;) |
| 01:23.31 | brokensambot | lolufail: I thought I remembered the network media bringing up ssh. |
| 01:23.57 | brokensambot | lolufail: Seems straight forward from that point on. |
| 01:24.13 | lolufail | brokensambot: iirc, the lenny installer asks for that, but I might be wrong |
| 01:24.57 | brokensambot | Ah. |
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| 01:25.36 | makoshark86 | help! |
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| 01:25.45 | lolufail | I've been looking for headless stuff forever, best I found was grml |
| 01:25.45 | makoshark86 | how do i install a package from testing? |
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| 01:26.24 | lolufail | you can just wait until everything settles, enter linux ssh=password, enter, and it'll boot up a ssh with the password using dhcp |
| 01:26.37 | lolufail | or grml ssh=password |
| 01:26.39 | lolufail | I forgot |
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| 01:27.20 | Arrowmaster | makoshark86: are you using synaptic? |
| 01:27.20 | brokensambot | lolufail: Thanks for the input I'm looking into it. |
| 01:27.36 | makoshark86 | Arrowmaster: no, apt-get |
| 01:27.41 | Dassu | Any ideas what command to use if I want to unmaximize the window. My problem is that wmctrl has no effect on fullscreen windows |
| 01:27.50 | makoshark86 | see my message a few up for what i tried: adding the line to apt.conf |
| 01:28.12 | lolufail | what's linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.1-amd64 |
| 01:28.18 | lolufail | the "bpo" |
| 01:28.30 | Arrowmaster | backports.org |
| 01:28.33 | lolufail | aaaah |
| 01:28.35 | lolufail | -.- |
| 01:28.36 | lolufail | thanks |
| 01:29.16 | Arrowmaster | makoshark86: that should work, thats what i use with aptitude, but ive heard synaptic doesnt obey it |
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| 01:29.46 | makoshark86 | not using synaptic |
| 01:29.50 | Norv | makoshark86: what package you wish to install? apt-get will try to install it and its dependencies |
| 01:29.54 | makoshark86 | quodlibet |
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| 01:30.17 | makoshark86 | after modifying apt.conf and sources.conf, i try an update/upgrade to test |
| 01:30.21 | makoshark86 | and it tries to upgrade my whole system |
| 01:30.58 | ebcnrypt | debian install doesnt come with dmraid tool right? |
| 01:31.24 | lolufail | huh.. aptitude install -t testing lxc -V....... Couldn't find package "lxc". |
| 01:31.28 | cast | you should never use /dev/dm-N directory, correct? |
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| 01:31.57 | Vorbote | lolufail: lxc-utils if memory serves |
| 01:32.19 | lolufail | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/lxc |
| 01:32.19 | xNinja | hello...i have problem setting up pptpd in lenny |
| 01:32.20 | lolufail | nope |
| 01:32.35 | makoshark86 | does anyone know where in the APT::Default-Release option is documented officially? |
| 01:32.42 | Vorbote | is in GNU/kFreeBSD at the moment :-) |
| 01:32.45 | xNinja | i want to use it to have tunnel from my home to my server then internet is that useful for it ? |
| 01:33.30 | makoshark86 | ah, man apt.conf |
| 01:33.35 | makoshark86 | or man apt_preferences |
| 01:33.59 | ctmjr | makoshark86: of course it is trying to upgrade that's what you are telling it to do |
| 01:34.19 | makoshark86 | ... i want to upgrade from stable |
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| 01:34.22 | Vorbote | xNinja: you would need a pptp server somewhere (honestly, openvpn is easier to setup and use). |
| 01:34.27 | makoshark86 | but have the ability to do apt-get -t testing install <package> |
| 01:34.48 | makoshark86 | it's trying to upgrade my system (which is already up to do date from stable) to testing |
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| 01:35.47 | Jorophose | scratch my question from earlier. but say I installed grub to a partition, and then later to the mbr; will the mbr-installed grub ignore the partition grub? |
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| 01:36.14 | Vorbote | xNinja: I mean you need to set up a full blown pptp server with authentication and a bunch of other small nuisances. If you want a permanent or atransient tunnel, openvn, tinc, ipsec are better choices |
| 01:36.27 | lolufail | how could it be that I can't find a package even though it's in my sources.list? |
| 01:36.32 | makoshark86 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.32 | lolufail | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/lxc |
| 01:36.38 | lolufail | deb http://ftp2.de.debian.org/debian/ sqeeze main contrib non-free |
| 01:36.43 | ctmjr | makoshark86: you said you changed you sources list to testing then ran apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
| 01:36.57 | makoshark86 | no i added tseting to my sources.list |
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| 01:37.02 | makoshark86 | and set default to stable |
| 01:37.12 | makoshark86 | my sources.list should have both stable and testing |
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| 01:37.22 | ebcnrypt | is there a way to install dmraid from internet on debian install? |
| 01:37.36 | Arrowmaster | did you run apt-get update before or after you added the default to the config? |
| 01:37.42 | makoshark86 | after |
| 01:37.47 | Arrowmaster | do it before |
| 01:37.52 | Arrowmaster | thats your problem |
| 01:37.57 | makoshark86 | what/ |
| 01:38.00 | makoshark86 | so in the future |
| 01:38.01 | dserban_ | sed -i 's/:\/srv\//:\/srv\/shares\/g' /etc/fstab <-- does this look right? |
| 01:38.02 | makoshark86 | i need to remove it |
| 01:38.05 | makoshark86 | then readd after? |
| 01:38.07 | makoshark86 | that doesn't make sense |
| 01:38.11 | Arrowmaster | err change the default, then run apt-get update |
| 01:38.14 | makoshark86 | yea |
| 01:38.15 | ctmjr | makoshark86: i do not know how to help you i do not mix releases in my sources list |
| 01:38.16 | makoshark86 | that's what i've done |
| 01:38.17 | dserban_ | replace :/srv/ with :/srv/shares/ |
| 01:38.20 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 01:38.27 | makoshark86 | ctmjr: i gathered that much, thanks anyways |
| 01:38.55 | Vorbote | ebcnrypt: if memory serves, you can install the udeb if using expert mode. Setting debconf/priority=medium in the bootoptions or setting it directly in the installer will give you access to the dialog. |
| 01:39.13 | ctmjr | makoshark86: and after watching you scratch your ass i know why |
| 01:39.17 | Arrowmaster | ebcnrypt: dmraid=true on the bootoptions |
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| 01:39.47 | Vorbote | That's the trick. My D-I options foo ain't great. |
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| 01:40.14 | vashitn | how can i unmount my main partition si i can divide it with gparter??? |
| 01:40.27 | ebcnrypt | Arrowmaster ty!! |
| 01:40.46 | lolufail | can anyone make sense of this? http://pastebin.com/m11d6130 |
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| 01:41.17 | xNinja | Vorbote i see...then let me try openvpn again |
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| 01:41.52 | umarzuki | morning |
| 01:41.55 | Vorbote | xNinja: tinc is also a nice option for a dedicated tunnel if you have static IPs |
| 01:42.01 | lolufail | aaah, sqeeze instead of squeeze |
| 01:42.02 | gpkvt | vashitn: try using a live cd to boot from |
| 01:42.35 | vashitn | gpkvt i know like that but isnt there other way |
| 01:43.02 | xNinja | Vorbote what if i have 1 ip ? |
| 01:43.11 | gpkvt | vashitn: afaik not |
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| 01:44.58 | Vorbote | xNinja: I see. What you do is to port forward the vpn port from your boundary machine (aka firewall) or your natting router to the internal machine running the vpn server. From there the server routes traffic to other machines in the network. |
| 01:45.54 | vashitn | gpkvt found one :D lemme restart cheers and beers |
| 01:46.07 | xNinja | Vorbote all i want is to have a tunnel home --> myserver-in-internet --> internet |
| 01:46.16 | xNinja | so that my isp cant sniff my traffic or block |
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| 01:46.56 | Vorbote | xNinja: necessarily you need an endpoint outside your network. There are providers for that (none free I think). |
| 01:47.24 | xNinja | Vorbote why i need if i have my own server !! |
| 01:47.47 | lolufail | some init script keeps trying to decrypt the root partition, even though the initrd already did it -.- |
| 01:48.07 | lolufail | have to enter-away 3 errormessages keeping it from booting |
| 01:50.20 | Vorbote | xNinja: I think you are a bit confused. To create a VPN you need two end-poing at the least. If you have a server *outside* your network somewhere outside your ISPs network, you can set a VPN tunnel to that server from some computer in your network and have all traffic go through the remote endpoint. The thing is you are not clear where that server is located. |
| 01:51.25 | lolufail | [ 9.159239] md: md0: raid array is not clean -- starting background reconstruction |
| 01:51.25 | lolufail | mdadm -D /dev/md0: State : clean |
| 01:51.30 | lolufail | O_o misleading |
| 01:51.44 | lolufail | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:52.29 | xNinja | Vorbote but if i setup a vpnservice in my server and from my computer connect to it to the internet....there is something like that!! |
| 01:52.43 | xNinja | like tunneling http through ssh |
| 01:52.53 | xNinja | but i want to tunnel all my traffic through that server! |
| 01:53.32 | lolufail | xNinja: it's called nat :D |
| 01:53.48 | Vorbote | xNinja: that's precisely the default operation of a VPN unless you tweak it. |
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| 01:54.03 | Vorbote | xNinja: your concerns are unfounded :-) |
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| 01:55.07 | xNinja | hey i just want to tunnel all my traffic to my rented server to be unblocked from my isp...what is the best to do that ? i dont want to tunnel only http |
| 01:55.28 | Vorbote | xNinja: use openvpn and be done with it :-) |
| 01:55.56 | Vorbote | xNinja: it is the easiest to setup and to operate. |
| 01:56.27 | xNinja | Vorbote and creating windows vpn connection will work with that or i have to install third party client ? |
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| 01:57.13 | Vorbote | xNinja: Just go to http://openvpn.org and grab the installer. (And read the tutorials, they are fun). |
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| 01:59.14 | xNinja | ok Vorbote thanks |
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| 02:01.46 | xNinja | apt-get install openvpn is the same right ? |
| 02:01.54 | Vorbote | xNinja: yes |
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| 02:07.38 | makoshark86 | j/quit |
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| 02:08.56 | raz | my freshly installed debian 5.0 doesn't seem to read /etc/profile on ssh login, how do i fix that? |
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| 02:11.07 | sigmonsays | !dpkg-buildpackage |
| 02:11.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, dpkg-buildpackage is a program in the dpkg-dev package that builds .debs from source. "aptitude install fakeroot devscripts dpkg-dev build-essential" and run 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' in the source directory. Ask me about <package recompile> <debian/rules> <source>. |
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| 02:19.45 | sigmonsays | !dpkg-clean |
| 02:19.51 | sigmonsays | !dpkg clean |
| 02:19.51 | dpkg | [clean] a programming language and is at http://www.cs.kun.nl/~clean, or aptitude purge ~poptional ~pextra |
| 02:20.09 | sigmonsays | is tehre a way to clean up a debian/ directory ? |
| 02:21.17 | Vorbote | sigmonsays: do you mean something like "debian/rules clean"? |
| 02:21.38 | sigmonsays | Sorry, inexperrienced .deb builder. That's the ticket |
| 02:21.49 | sigmonsays | Vorbote, ty. Is there a place all this stuff is documented? |
| 02:22.22 | Vorbote | sigmonsays: The Debian Packaged Manual |
| 02:22.33 | Vorbote | s/Packaged/Packager/ |
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| 02:23.10 | sigmonsays | DDP? |
| 02:23.41 | ebcnrypt | im installing debian on raid0,... it is on "select and install software".. bar is at 1% since 30 mins ago.. should i abort? |
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| 02:23.43 | Vorbote | sigmonsays: my memory fails, it was integrated into the DPM |
| 02:23.57 | Vorbote | DPM -> Debian Policy Manual |
| 02:24.06 | ootput | http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals |
| 02:24.21 | sigmonsays | Here we are |
| 02:24.25 | sigmonsays | thank you |
| 02:24.29 | sigmonsays | This is invaluable |
| 02:24.32 | sigmonsays | shooting in the dark |
| 02:24.33 | ootput | take a look at New Maintainers' Guide |
| 02:25.36 | sigmonsays | awesome again |
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| 02:32.44 | echosystm | how unstable is debian unstable? |
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| 02:33.19 | gkffjcs_ | In the software selection menu on the debian install cd, what does the "standard system" package install? |
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| 02:34.04 | echosystm | things like bash and so forth gkffjcs_, as far as i am aware |
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| 02:34.14 | echosystm | for a desktop computer, you would always have it enabled |
| 02:35.08 | gkffjcs_ | so i need it for a shell... I'm trying to turn an old laptop into basically a headless pulseaudio server, I'd like a shell to login and configure everything but aside from that I want the system as minimal as possible |
| 02:35.35 | echosystm | i'd keep standard system enabled |
| 02:35.45 | gkffjcs_ | sounds good thanks |
| 02:35.52 | echosystm | its not like it installs xorg or anything |
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| 02:36.58 | gkffjcs_ | ok, good |
| 02:41.52 | blizzow1 | I installed ntp-server on my box and want other hosts in my network to be able to query it, so I added a line |
| 02:42.28 | blizzow1 | restrict 172.16.80.0 mask 255.255.252.0 to my /etc/ntp.conf and restarted /etc/init.d/ntp-server |
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| 02:43.32 | ebcnrypt | installing is stucking on 1%, is there any known tip? |
| 02:44.13 | sigmonsays | connect to the internet? |
| 02:44.30 | blizzow1 | anytime I run: "ntpdate myntpserverip" from another host on my network, I get a message saying , "no server suitable for synchronization found" There is no firewall running, and I don't see the port open via nmap though. Does anyone know of something I might be doing wrong to get an ntp server running? |
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| 02:50.30 | darkbulb | Can anyone recommend a good solid refrence manual on the debian system |
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| 02:51.12 | crweb | I just dist-upgraded and it removed practically every package on my system that wasn't part of the base install |
| 02:51.29 | crweb | i dunno what it said, i didn't pay attention to the dialog just hit yes |
| 02:52.38 | sigmonsays | guesses [Hit yes to remove every package on your system] Y/N |
| 02:52.44 | crweb | lol |
| 02:52.55 | crweb | pretty much, lol, my autoremove list is still huge too |
| 02:53.07 | crweb | not going to do that.. |
| 02:54.50 | sigmonsays | Heh, I havn't a clue |
| 02:54.57 | sigmonsays | gtg |
| 02:55.01 | sigmonsays | good luck |
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| 03:12.17 | binrapt | I am trying to set up traffic shaping which prioritises by protocol (which is most easily identified by destination/source port I presume) so I can use HTTP, IRC, etc more easily when stuff is being downloaded from a lot of TCP connections. I tried to RTFM on tc for a while but I really didn't get far and it all seemed really cryptic to me. Do any of you know any sites which show setups for this? |
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| 03:19.18 | joeytwiddle | is offering file nyx.tcc [0M] (type !grab to get it) |
| 03:19.21 | joeytwiddle | binrapt, grab that |
| 03:20.04 | binrapt | I have DCC turned off ;[ |
| 03:20.36 | xNinja | !grap |
| 03:20.47 | xNinja | !grap |
| 03:22.52 | binrapt | joeytwiddle very interesting, thanks |
| 03:23.00 | binrapt | I've never seen this kind of file before, in all my RTFMing, strange |
| 03:23.48 | joeytwiddle | i used to generate tc commands myself, but then my script stopped working |
| 03:24.10 | joeytwiddle | a friend gave me this - it's a script which tcc processes to create the tc commands |
| 03:24.30 | binrapt | Need to install tcng first I guess |
| 03:24.39 | binrapt | I have [..]/tc there only |
| 03:24.47 | joeytwiddle | yep, package tcng |
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| 03:25.43 | zorton | ioctl[SIOCSIWENCODEEXT]: Operation not supported |
| 03:25.48 | zorton | ^ from ifup wlan0 |
| 03:26.11 | zorton | on a powerbook titanium g4 using the built in airport card (orionco clone) |
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| 03:28.28 | jorik | tibook? how old is that thing |
| 03:28.50 | binrapt | Heh, the documentation on tcng and the files appear to be really old |
| 03:28.54 | binrapt | 2002 |
| 03:29.35 | binrapt | But it works fine I guess |
| 03:29.40 | binrapt | The config file looks very sane to me |
| 03:29.54 | binrapt | I just need to look up how to define constants so I can enter the ceiling speed in a better way |
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| 03:32.17 | zorton | jorik: very |
| 03:32.25 | zorton | jorik: I like to retire old laptops into NAS's :) |
| 03:32.46 | jorik | how many hdd can you fit inside 12" ;) |
| 03:33.21 | zorton | USB2 PCMCIA card and firewire go a long way |
| 03:33.30 | zorton | on a network connected NAS who cares about latency |
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| 03:34.23 | pawel0 | hi, is there anybody? |
| 03:34.45 | jorik | nope. we're all gone |
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| 03:35.33 | pawel0 | i'm begginer with debian os and because i made that one stupid thing, i need help! |
| 03:35.59 | jorik | which one |
| 03:37.06 | qwd | !ask |
| 03:37.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 03:37.11 | pawel0 | i used rm * command on a folder of ntfs disk mounted into debian, is there any way to get that directory back? |
| 03:37.23 | qwd | uh oh |
| 03:37.26 | jorik | thats quite the mistake |
| 03:38.22 | jorik | there are some undelete applications for ntfs |
| 03:38.25 | pawel0 | yep, that's why i came here, and mistake is really a "lighter" word |
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| 03:39.06 | qwd | pawel0: random google search gives me this app I've never tested and some good advice http://ntfsundelete.com/ |
| 03:40.01 | jorik | i used "getdataback" years ago |
| 03:40.03 | jorik | worked fine |
| 03:40.32 | pawel0 | is there one for debian or you're talking about windows version? |
| 03:40.50 | jorik | that was windows, since ntfs = windows |
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| 03:41.40 | Tramp | pawel0: there is an "ntfsundelete" in package "ntfsprogs" - no idea what it does or how useful it is |
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| 03:42.05 | binrapt | joeytwiddle will the ceil value actually limit my speed if it's lower than my connection speed? Should I actually put it higher? Hmm |
| 03:42.23 | Tramp | pawel0: apparently this is its manpage: http://man.linux-ntfs.org/ntfsundelete.8.html which dates from 2005 - so ymmv. |
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| 03:42.43 | pawel0 | ok, this time i can put hd into windows machine and do the thing, but is there any way to do that using debian os? |
| 03:43.12 | joeytwiddle | binrapt: yeah it will limit at the ceil specified. adjust the values if you have a larger upload capacity |
| 03:43.43 | binrapt | I have 100/2.5 Mbit hmm |
| 03:43.59 | binrapt | So 2560kbps it is I guess |
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| 03:45.11 | pawel0 | jorik: this ntfsundelete app, it is worth trying it? |
| 03:45.30 | jorik | i wouldnt know |
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| 03:49.34 | pawel0 | jorik: ok, thank you! |
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| 03:56.17 | iateadonut | anyone know a good VPS provider? and also, how does one route ALL his traffic through an ssh tunnel (not by starting the command with proxy chains; somehow routing all traffic through the ssh tunnel on, say, port 2012)? |
| 03:58.23 | bugjar | i recently removed flash plugin that would seem to have been the .deb (for ubuntu) i picked off from the adobe site, in preference for the lenny backport of flashplugin-nonfree, and then updated using the script. iceweasel no longer sees the adobe flash plugin and tries to play youtube video using the gnashplugin (well, it reads .gnashpluginrc). |
| 03:58.29 | markybob | iateadonut, linode.com is the best |
| 03:58.36 | bugjar | clearly i've missed something, what did i miss? |
| 03:58.38 | markybob | iateadonut, you use stunnel |
| 03:58.57 | Dassu | Where does debian save gnomes suspend-to-ram scripts? |
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| 03:59.12 | jorik | iateadonut: slicehost |
| 03:59.30 | markybob | jorik, iateadonut http://blog.linode.com/2009/12/04/linode-stomps-competition-in-performance-benchmark/ |
| 03:59.58 | jorik | that looks like a honest test ;) |
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| 04:00.07 | bugjar | is there some local plugin step? i made sure that icewesasel uses the adobe flash plugin as an application |
| 04:00.13 | markybob | jorik, wasnt done by them. you can click on the site that did it from there |
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| 04:00.40 | ctmjr | pawel0: iirc lsof will help you if you have not logged out or rebooted since you last accessed the dir |
| 04:00.40 | markybob | jorik, or just read it instead of jumping to conclusions :P |
| 04:00.48 | jorik | hehe, mind the ;) |
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| 04:04.36 | binrapt | joeytwiddle bah I broke your file :( the original still compiles though... can't figure out what I did wrong <stdin>:24: unresolved forward-declared variable interactive |
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| 04:13.33 | binrapt | RTNETLINK answers: No such file or directory, twice :( |
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| 04:20.45 | datz_ | Hi, I'm trying to rebuild my kernel, following this: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/90 however I can running into a problem. "/usr/bin/fakeroot: line 164: make-kpkg: command not found" |
| 04:21.12 | datz_ | I get this when running: fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 04:21.31 | datz_ | Is there a better tutorial than this? |
| 04:22.33 | MJD | datz_: You have to install the kernel-package package. |
| 04:23.16 | Tramp | datz_: 1. Install the packages 'kernel-package' and 'fakeroot'. <--- you did that? |
| 04:23.44 | datz_ | I think so, fake root, and the kernel source code |
| 04:23.54 | datz_ | yes |
| 04:23.56 | Tramp | no "kernel-package" |
| 04:24.09 | Tramp | that's not the kernel source |
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| 04:24.49 | datz_ | Is this the equivelent? aptitude install linux-source-2.6 |
| 04:25.01 | Tramp | NO "kernel-package" |
| 04:25.03 | datz_ | I'll run that command anyway, nvmd |
| 04:25.36 | nevyn | kernel-package is a packager for the kernel |
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| 04:26.03 | datz_ | oh, ok..looks like I did, was the first thing in the tutorial |
| 04:26.06 | datz_ | :) |
| 04:26.16 | datz_ | so yes, both installed |
| 04:26.21 | nevyn | if it can't fine make-kpkg you sure it's installed? |
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| 04:27.01 | gkffjcs_ | what package are wireless tools in? I am trying to connect to a wireless network via command line |
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| 04:28.07 | gkffjcs_ | never mind, found it... |
| 04:28.47 | datz_ | nevyn: maybe not, command ran this time, thanks |
| 04:29.29 | Tramp | great we finally worked this out - damn broken tutorials |
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| 04:31.00 | SuperMiguel | does debian have any trim support? |
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| 04:32.41 | nevyn | trim? |
| 04:32.51 | markybob | um.. i suppose it depends on wtf you mean |
| 04:33.16 | nevyn | trim is the name of an internal system where I work. but I'm pretty sure you don't mean that. |
| 04:33.20 | SuperMiguel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRIM_(SSD_command) |
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| 04:33.48 | markybob | SuperMiguel, the linux kernel supports trim, yes |
| 04:34.14 | SuperMiguel | markybob, which version? |
| 04:34.28 | markybob | SuperMiguel, you'll want squeeze |
| 04:35.11 | SuperMiguel | squeeze supports it by default? |
| 04:35.23 | markybob | SuperMiguel, yes |
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| 04:43.48 | oOarthurOo | How do I change icons associated with programs? For example, I have changed the launcher icon for iceweasel to look like firefox. But in my workspace switcher and the window title bar, it still shows up as the standard iceweasel icon. |
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| 04:47.55 | Jigbuntu | Tired of nigggggggers and their monkeyshines? Join Chimpout Forum! At Chimpout Forum we are NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS. Asians, non-negroid Hispanics, Jews, Indians, Native Americans,Whites, Turks, Mexicans, and Polynesians are welcome, as we recognize the diversity of the human race. Join Chimpout today in the epic battle against the fecal-colored beast! http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 04:48.44 | PinkFreud | ... |
| 04:50.23 | oOarthurOo | wtf... |
| 04:50.35 | oOarthurOo | is a "non-negroid hispanic"? |
| 04:51.29 | xk | lol |
| 04:52.20 | PinkFreud | wtf is a monkeyshine? :) |
| 04:52.37 | SuperMiguel | markybob, any idea how to know if it enabled? |
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| 04:59.38 | stealyourwife | lol |
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| 05:01.28 | oOarthurOo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:03.03 | Laughing_God | Can i debian while having other OS(ubuntu)? |
| 05:03.11 | Laughing_God | I mean dual OS in 1 pc |
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| 06:56.59 | allyourrejects | looks like theres a problem with unstable font config, so all m packages keep getting auto removed. |
| 06:57.02 | sri_ | how to check which ports are open in my system??? any command?? |
| 06:57.09 | allyourrejects | its pretty neat.. |
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| 07:28.55 | oOarthurOo | Hi... having major problems getting xscreensaver to run with xmatrix. Anything 2d works fine. Just the 3d packages installed from xscreensaver-data-extra fai to work |
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| 07:32.07 | SNow | which backup solution is the best for small network (up to 10 boxes?) |
| 07:32.10 | SNow | bacula/zmanda? |
| 07:33.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | what systems are on the network? |
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| 07:35.00 | hanibana | hi all |
| 07:37.03 | hanibana | I have Debian Lenny server with Xen kernel which reboots randomly; I have not direct access to it. I have also checked log files... but, I haven't find the cause :( |
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| 07:40.54 | jchavez | hello guys |
| 07:41.06 | jchavez | any can help me to install flash player in debian amd64 |
| 07:41.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | !flash |
| 07:41.17 | dpkg | methinks flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 07:46.37 | jchavez | Kamping_Kaiser, ty for help now instaling |
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| 07:55.34 | jchavez | my sound card is configure but dont have sounds i play in youtube but no listen sounds |
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| 08:00.15 | SNow | Kamping_Kaiser: debian. |
| 08:02.02 | themill | SNow: I have a particular like of rsnapshot (I wouldn't use it to back up stuff you can just reinstall from the .debs though, just the things you actually want to back up; /msg dpkg things to backup) |
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| 08:04.31 | SNow | yeah I want to backup just particular things, and it would be perfect if it would work incremental |
| 08:04.35 | SNow | and so on |
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| 08:06.23 | themill | !rsnapshot |
| 08:06.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, rsnapshot is a filesystem snapshot utility, which creates incremental backups of local and remote filesystems, using hard links to save disk space. See also /usr/share/doc/rsnapshot/html/rsnapshot-howto.html and http://www.rsnapshot.org/faq.html, or ask me about <rdiff-backup>. |
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| 08:25.39 | ethanol | I'm trying to to an aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 08:25.43 | ethanol | but it keeps getting stuck on |
| 08:25.45 | ethanol | 0% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2001:4f8:8:36::6)] |
| 08:25.47 | ethanol | :< |
| 08:25.57 | ethanol | while all my other machines have no trouble downloading from security |
| 08:27.01 | sepski | ethanol, i notice you have a ipv6 address there. does the working machines allso use ipv6 ? have you tried ipv6 vs ipv4 ping and is there a difference ? |
| 08:27.08 | ethanol | no, it does not |
| 08:27.15 | ethanol | hence I don't understand why it tries to use it |
| 08:27.32 | sepski | does the machines have the same dns servers ? |
| 08:27.35 | ethanol | or well, ifconfig does show an ipv6 address. but I don't recall specifying one in network/interfaces |
| 08:27.47 | ethanol | yes they all share the same dns servers |
| 08:28.10 | sepski | i guess with a ipv6 address on your interface. the machine assumes it can use that. |
| 08:28.30 | ethanol | why does it have one? ): |
| 08:28.40 | ethanol | well, 2 even. scope/link and scope/global |
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| 08:29.07 | ethanol | I only assigned a static ipv4 address in interfaces |
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| 08:29.46 | sepski | link/local is something like localnet |
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| 08:30.06 | ethanol | I see no link local |
| 08:30.12 | iceroot_ | does the main debian-cd only containing open-source software? or are there some programs, kernel-moduls or something else which are not open-source? |
| 08:30.13 | ethanol | oh wait, you mean scope:link |
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| 08:33.51 | ethanol | anyway |
| 08:34.48 | ethanol | how can I get aptitude to just use the ipv4 link? |
| 08:34.49 | ethanol | :< |
| 08:35.25 | sepski | no ipv6 tunnel software installed ? |
| 08:35.30 | ethanol | nope |
| 08:37.23 | sepski | well alter the preferences in /etc/gai.conf perhaps then. to fix the symptoms |
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| 08:39.39 | crazyfrog | how to install python 3.1 in lenny? |
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| 08:40.10 | Wulf_ | moin |
| 08:40.23 | Wulf_ | how can I switch my framebuffer console to utf8 mode? |
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| 08:42.03 | sepski | iceroot_, afaik it's all FLOSS. unfree firmware must be provided on usb stick or similar when you install if you have that kind of hardware. and it's requiered to install. |
| 08:42.24 | sepski | and if it's not it's a bug :) |
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| 08:43.54 | themill | crazyfrog: there's no easy way of doing so. You could install from source into /opt or /usr/local or similar or make a sid/experimental chroot for it. Make sure that python 3.1 isn't in your PATH before /usr/bin/python, however. |
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| 08:52.51 | nsanee | is there anything I can do (using debian lenny 32bit) to speed up freeing up used port? I have a server app that uses a certain port, when I shut down the app and start it again I often get bind errors about port being used. I usually have to wait a few minutes before debian releases it. |
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| 08:54.37 | Wulf_ | nsanee: SO_REUSEADDR |
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| 08:56.18 | nsanee | Wulf_: where do I set it? |
| 08:56.51 | Wulf_ | nsanee: directly after creating the socket |
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| 08:57.47 | Wulf_ | nsanee: i.e. you have to change this `server app' |
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| 08:57.51 | yucatan1 | hello can somebody help me setting up freeradius to use mac address authorization? |
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| 08:58.33 | nsanee | Wulf_: I see, well as I'm reading about it, it seems that it can cause problems as well if clients are still sending data on this port |
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| 08:59.25 | Wulf_ | nsanee: I don't think it would create problems |
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| 09:00.14 | nsanee | Wulf_: well thanks anyway |
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| 09:01.48 | joeytwiddle | i tried kde4 |
| 09:01.48 | joeytwiddle | yuk! i downgraded again ;p |
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| 09:34.33 | ethanol | err, any cli gurus here for a quick and silly question? |
| 09:34.58 | jham | you've just to ask actually |
| 09:35.00 | ethanol | grep -o -E '[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}\.[0-9]{1,3}' access.log.1260921600 gives me a whole list of ip addresses. I now need each ip address displayed only once, and with a count. |
| 09:35.18 | ethanol | not sure what to pipe it through though. |
| 09:36.21 | jham | i'm not sure, but isn't sort what could give unique entries? |
| 09:36.22 | themill | ethanol: sort | uniq -c |
| 09:36.45 | ethanol | ah thanks |
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| 09:37.28 | jham | what does sort -u? |
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| 09:38.30 | ethanol | gives me uniques but no count |
| 09:39.39 | ethanol | themill: how could I sort them by count also? |
| 09:40.42 | themill | | sort -n |
| 09:41.12 | themill | (at some stage it would be easier to do it in perl though....) |
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| 09:41.51 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 09:42.28 | paissad-hp | i want to buid tora, i did 1st apt-get build-dep tora, 2nd apt-get -b source tora |
| 09:42.49 | paissad-hp | i got some deb package, but i want now to change the ./configure options , how can i do that ? |
| 09:42.54 | paissad-hp | thanks in advance for helping ! |
| 09:43.03 | valdyn | paissad-hp: in debian/rules |
| 09:43.12 | themill | paissad-hp: don't use -b in apt-get source. /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 09:43.48 | ethanol | http://pastie.org/745368 |
| 09:43.49 | ethanol | ): |
| 09:43.56 | ethanol | this log is only from 1am till now |
| 09:44.07 | ethanol | what the f is 1.9.1.5 |
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| 09:45.38 | paissad-hp | themill, ok, why should i not i use -b option ? |
| 09:45.51 | paissad-hp | -i |
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| 09:48.33 | jelly | paissad-hp: you'll want to make a custom changelog entry before building so that you know it's your own package. |
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| 09:51.51 | themill | paissad-hp: man apt-get and see what -b does. |
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| 09:56.23 | nsadmin | Dec 16 01:52:43 orie kernel: Cannot read medium - incompatible format -- (asc=0x30, ascq=0x02) |
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| 10:06.32 | paissad-hp | i have no configure option in debian/rules |
| 10:06.33 | paissad-hp | grep -iR "configure" debian/rules |
| 10:06.42 | paissad-hp | returns me nothing too .... |
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| 10:08.51 | paissad-hp | it's the tora package :s |
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| 10:09.50 | paissad-hp | may someone who has a little time do an "apt-source tora" and look where i must change theh configure options ? |
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| 10:17.43 | paissad-hp | does the only thing which change between the source from debian repositories and the source from the "original site" ... is the directory "debian" and its contents ? |
| 10:18.16 | jelly | Not necessarily. Check the .diff.gz. |
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| 10:19.26 | jelly | and sometimes even Debian's .orig.tar.gz has different contents than upstream's tarballs. Usually when upstream tarballs contain nonfree bits. |
| 10:19.27 | Ganang | can anyone help me if problems in checksum mismatch while installing a package with apt-get! Is there anything i can do or is it a problem with the package itself? |
| 10:19.35 | themill | paissad-hp: you're going to need to learn about CDBS to change that packaging. See http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/cdbs-doc.html#id2561559 .... (good luck!) |
| 10:19.59 | paissad-hp | even if i do 'grep -iR "configure" . ' i don't see a meaning word configure in debian directory ... except in debian/changelog |
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| 10:21.52 | themill | (and you'll need to learn about cmake) |
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| 10:23.40 | paissad-hp | themill, ok |
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| 10:24.16 | jelly | CMake! |
| 10:24.18 | jelly | !cmake |
| 10:24.22 | jelly | dpkg: yo |
| 10:24.23 | dpkg | yao! |
| 10:24.23 | paissad-hp | man cmake | wc -l |
| 10:24.23 | paissad-hp | 10675 |
| 10:24.25 | paissad-hp | oops |
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| 10:24.43 | jelly | !be a reading barbie |
| 10:24.43 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, jelly |
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| 10:36.43 | Amey7 | Hello |
| 10:36.59 | Amey7 | How can I restore network icon on GNOME desktop in Debian 5 ? |
| 10:37.13 | Amey7 | I have just installed Debian 5.0.3 yesterday |
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| 10:42.18 | Amey7 | any1 there ? |
| 10:42.58 | zub | you bet :) |
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| 10:43.37 | nsadmin | normally I configure the network by editing text files |
| 10:43.46 | nsadmin | it stays the way I put it |
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| 10:44.48 | paissad-hp | in this debian/rules files, the DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is empty before ? |
| 10:44.49 | paissad-hp | pastebinit -i debian/rules -f bash |
| 10:44.50 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f3702f33 |
| 10:45.19 | Amey7 | I want to see that GUI icon |
| 10:45.23 | Amey7 | at taskbar |
| 10:45.27 | Amey7 | by mistake I closed it I think |
| 10:45.29 | nsadmin | you set that var outside of invoking debian/rules in order to tell the rules file what to do' |
| 10:46.00 | paissad-hp | if i want to add some configure options, i just do DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="----prefix=/usr --without-oracle --without-rpath --disable-new-check" |
| 10:46.02 | paissad-hp | for example ? |
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| 10:46.19 | nsadmin | dunno what options can go there. |
| 10:46.44 | Amey7 | If I say add panel |
| 10:46.53 | Amey7 | that option is not there |
| 10:47.32 | paissad-hp | nsadmin, actually i would like to recompile tora package, into debian/rules, i have no word "configure", but i do have "DEB_BUILD_PACKAGE" ... |
| 10:47.47 | paissad-hp | so how must i proceed to change ./configure options ? |
| 10:48.07 | nsadmin | find out where they are set |
| 10:48.43 | Amey7 | how to log in using root account in GNOME ? |
| 10:48.50 | paissad-hp | i don't see .... when i do a grep -iR "configure" .. from the top directory, i go noting nsadmin |
| 10:49.07 | paissad-hp | nothing in debian directory i meant |
| 10:50.17 | nsadmin | Amey7 use su from a terminal emu |
| 10:50.38 | Amey7 | no no |
| 10:50.45 | Amey7 | I want to log in as root from GUI terminal |
| 10:50.48 | junk | Amey7 You can't |
| 10:50.54 | Amey7 | It says root login not allowed |
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| 10:51.03 | Amey7 | thats so bad |
| 10:51.09 | Amey7 | I want to restore that network icon |
| 10:51.16 | nsadmin | how? |
| 10:51.20 | Amey7 | which is gone from panel |
| 10:51.25 | Amey7 | damn damn damn |
| 10:51.38 | Amey7 | and now my wi-fi is diasbled |
| 10:51.41 | nsadmin | as a user? |
| 10:51.53 | Amey7 | and if I click on wi-fi manager it says click on administrator mode which doesnt apear |
| 10:52.01 | Amey7 | I am now logged in as a normal user |
| 10:52.33 | Amey7 | I click on >>> System > Preferences > Network settings |
| 10:52.41 | Amey7 | at top it shows >> |
| 10:52.43 | nsadmin | sounds like that icon represented a program that was running |
| 10:52.53 | Amey7 | Click the "Administrator Mode" button to allow modifications |
| 10:52.58 | Amey7 | that button doesnt apear |
| 10:53.04 | Amey7 | and both wi-fi and ethernet are locked |
| 10:53.07 | Amey7 | I cant edit them |
| 10:53.22 | Amey7 | May be |
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| 10:53.56 | nsadmin | and now you know why I tend to edit text files instead of depending on a complex system that is supposedly meant to make things seem simpler |
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| 10:55.46 | nsadmin | so if you log out and log back in again, you don't see the icon? howbout if you reboot? |
| 10:55.58 | Amey7 | no I dont see the icon |
| 10:56.03 | Amey7 | Let me reboot it once |
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| 10:56.36 | nsadmin | this is also why I don't have user accounts able to control shared resources |
| 10:57.10 | Amey7 | I am using Debian for 1st time |
| 10:57.15 | Amey7 | Earlier I used OpenSuSe |
| 10:57.57 | nsadmin | I mean, in suse you have that rc.conf file, right? |
| 10:58.04 | Amey7 | no |
| 10:58.32 | nsadmin | which controlled all system settings and daemon settings |
| 10:58.33 | Amey7 | that icon isnt apearigng back |
| 10:58.37 | Amey7 | I have rebooted system |
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| 10:59.00 | nsadmin | here's what you could try... |
| 10:59.07 | nsadmin | log out of gnome, |
| 10:59.11 | Linux-IRC | Hello, is anyone here ? |
| 10:59.15 | Amey7 | its back |
| 10:59.15 | inckie_ | no |
| 10:59.17 | Amey7 | hurrah |
| 10:59.21 | Amey7 | I see 2 dots |
| 10:59.24 | nsadmin | how? |
| 10:59.27 | Amey7 | they roam in circular motion now |
| 10:59.29 | Amey7 | to connect |
| 10:59.32 | Amey7 | I rebooted laptop |
| 10:59.36 | Linux-IRC | cat /etc/debian_version , squeeze/sid, |
| 10:59.39 | Linux-IRC | why? |
| 10:59.48 | Linux-IRC | I installed from debian testing iso |
| 10:59.51 | Amey7 | ok this app name is >>>> nm_applet 0.6.6 |
| 10:59.53 | nsadmin | Linux-IRC: why not? |
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| 11:00.02 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: Why is sid? |
| 11:00.22 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: I installed from debian testing iso |
| 11:00.25 | Amey7 | now 1 more question |
| 11:00.27 | nsadmin | well it's not saying which it is |
| 11:00.31 | Amey7 | its not able to connect to my hidden network |
| 11:00.41 | Amey7 | I put correct SSID & network key & encryption |
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| 11:00.50 | nsadmin | Amey7: is that good or bad>? |
| 11:01.05 | Amey7 | good what? :P |
| 11:01.16 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: It should say only squeeze |
| 11:01.27 | nsadmin | its not able to connect to (your) hidden network |
| 11:01.27 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: Shouldn't it |
| 11:01.31 | Linux-IRC | ? |
| 11:01.33 | Amey7 | Yes |
| 11:01.38 | Amey7 | now its showing that icon |
| 11:01.39 | Amey7 | but |
| 11:01.40 | nsadmin | Amey7: is that good or bad>? |
| 11:01.41 | Amey7 | now |
| 11:01.43 | jelly | Linux-IRC: it will say squeeze _once squeeze is released_ |
| 11:01.48 | Amey7 | not able to connect to my hidden wi-fi network |
| 11:01.51 | jelly | Linux-IRC: this is completely normal |
| 11:01.53 | Amey7 | it keeps rotating |
| 11:01.56 | Amey7 | but cant connect |
| 11:02.03 | Amey7 | is there any option to tick hidden network ? |
| 11:02.17 | Linux-IRC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:02.40 | nsadmin | you have it commented out? |
| 11:03.02 | Linux-IRC | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:03.17 | Linux-IRC | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:03.18 | Amey7 | me ? |
| 11:03.25 | Linux-IRC | Is there any difference? |
| 11:03.29 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: ^ |
| 11:03.32 | Linux-IRC | jelly: ^ |
| 11:03.35 | jelly | !tell Linux-IRC -about repeat |
| 11:03.37 | nsadmin | yes there is a difference |
| 11:04.04 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: What's the difference ? |
| 11:04.05 | nsadmin | testing is a floating name, while squeeze is currently testing |
| 11:04.11 | jelly | Linux-IRC: the difference is semantical. If you use "squeeze", you'll keep on being on squeeze even when it becomes "stable". |
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| 11:04.27 | nsadmin | if you put testing, then you can be surprised when you try upgrading |
| 11:04.54 | nsadmin | if you put squeeze, it will stay squeeze even when squeeze is released stable |
| 11:05.11 | nsadmin | the latter is better control |
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| 11:05.44 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: So testing is better , isn't it? |
| 11:06.09 | jelly | !better |
| 11:06.09 | dpkg | i guess better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 11:06.21 | nsadmin | the one with better control is what I think is better |
| 11:06.57 | nsadmin | the one you can be surprised by when you upgrade one day finding there's a new testing, is not as good (imo) |
| 11:07.04 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: So after the release of squeeze , if i still use "testing" in sources.list, it will go for the next version of debian, right? |
| 11:07.36 | nsadmin | yes, and you generally don't want that until you specifically say so |
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| 11:08.15 | jelly | the question is, what reason prompted Linux-IRC to install testing in the first place |
| 11:08.24 | nsadmin | the next testing will be very incomplete and likely very broken |
| 11:08.51 | qwd | an urge to use the latest and greatest of course! |
| 11:08.55 | Linux-IRC | jelly: Define "first place" |
| 11:09.11 | nsadmin | ok, I'm done there |
| 11:09.33 | nsadmin | Linux-IRC: what is your first or preferred language? |
| 11:09.36 | jelly | Linux-IRC: it's an idiom. |
| 11:10.13 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: Why does it matter here? |
| 11:10.35 | Linux-IRC | jelly: I have also used debian lenny . |
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| 11:10.42 | Amey7 | I am now switching back to opensuse 11.2 |
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| 11:10.57 | nsadmin | because english isn't serving you all that well, and we should find you a better fit |
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| 11:11.18 | nsadmin | Amey7: probably just as well if debian's not working for you |
| 11:11.26 | Amey7 | right |
| 11:11.38 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: No, i have understood your replies, |
| 11:11.39 | Amey7 | I know opensuse well |
| 11:11.40 | Amey7 | :D |
| 11:11.51 | Linux-IRC | nsadmin: Thanks for your replies |
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| 11:12.30 | nsadmin | well there you go... but... if you decide to try again, it would be a good thing to give it awhile to learn; some things are different of course |
| 11:12.42 | Amey7 | Debian seems to have different architecture |
| 11:12.47 | Amey7 | than suse |
| 11:12.54 | Amey7 | and not much help posted on Google |
| 11:13.05 | Linux-IRC | bye guys |
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| 11:13.59 | imganquan | hi all. If I upgrade all packages to backports, does this a good idea? |
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| 11:14.09 | nsadmin | Amey7: what brought you to debian in the first place? |
| 11:14.26 | qwd | imganquan: no, you should only use backports that you need. not take all of them |
| 11:14.28 | Amey7 | replacement to fuzzy UBUNTU |
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| 11:14.43 | nsadmin | and what brought you to ubuntu? |
| 11:14.48 | nsadmin | :) |
| 11:14.51 | Amey7 | free UBUNTU cd |
| 11:14.58 | imganquan | qwd: thanks. I know now. |
| 11:15.02 | nsadmin | oh, so you were curious |
| 11:15.09 | Amey7 | Yeah |
| 11:15.16 | Amey7 | More packages for Debian but |
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| 11:15.36 | Amey7 | lot of learning is required to configure GNOME/KDE GUI |
| 11:15.47 | Amey7 | even KDE version is 3.5 from DVD1 of Debian 5.0.3 |
| 11:16.04 | nsadmin | have you ever considered that under OSes like windows and linux, the gui is an afterthought? |
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| 11:16.33 | jelly | nor on windows it isn't |
| 11:16.33 | KevinBot | Roll out the red carpet, I'm here. |
| 11:16.33 | KevinBot | Welcome to #debian !. |
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| 11:16.53 | nsadmin | in the original chronology, it is |
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| 11:17.22 | nsadmin | the gui was an answer to apple |
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| 11:18.47 | jelly | Amey7: eh, KDE 3.5 is probably still more usable than the shiny 4.3.x |
| 11:19.00 | jelly | that's a plus for lenny. |
| 11:19.02 | nsadmin | under linux, you have X and there is no standard anywhere that makes anything cohesive |
| 11:19.28 | jelly | points nsadmin to freedesktop.org |
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| 11:20.33 | nsadmin | X lets you have a lot of freedom, and nothing so far has really come together to form a cohesive graphical experience. |
| 11:21.19 | jelly | oh. I guess those desktop enviroments don't exist, then. |
| 11:21.28 | jelly | stops feeding |
| 11:22.27 | nsadmin | jelly: you can always add programs that don't use the API(s) defined by the DE |
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| 11:23.14 | nsadmin | and the network manager versus /etc/network/interfaces thing is a mess unless you ignore nm |
| 11:23.40 | nsadmin | and that will be true until and unless nm reads and writes /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:24.47 | nsadmin | you and I, we have experience; we can easily handle these things. put a new user in front of it and the results are wildly erratic |
| 11:25.08 | nima0102 | for knowing one program what libraries is using, what command do I run ?? |
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| 11:25.25 | nsadmin | nima0102: man ldd |
| 11:26.41 | nima0102 | nsadmin, thanks a lot |
| 11:26.45 | nima0102 | nsadmin, :) |
| 11:27.37 | nsadmin | np. aside from that, ldd will tell you what -dynamic- linked libs the program uses, -not- static libs |
| 11:27.59 | nsadmin | but, this is usually what you want: you run ldd to find out what is needed |
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| 11:28.37 | nima0102 | nsadmin, ok thanks again :) |
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| 11:55.54 | Flomar | hi, do you use pure-ftpd for FTP? I`m having a problem with umask in a ftp server with debian lenny 5.0.1 |
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| 12:02.17 | ethanol | I use proftpd |
| 12:02.21 | ethanol | or sftp through sshd |
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| 12:03.56 | Flomar | nice |
| 12:05.06 | nsadmin | just so you know... plain ftp isn't good because you can read the passwords in the packets |
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| 12:06.54 | Flomar | my problem is that a user whants to chenge their file permissions to 444 via FTP client or ftp commands... pure ftpd umask is 022 (644) and i'm testing here and pureftp doesn`t let the user change perms to a value below it`s umask value... |
| 12:07.54 | Flomar | in the docs it says that SITE CHMOD can override pure-ftpd umask value but it doesn`t work to change below umask value =/ |
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| 12:10.53 | J_P | hi all |
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| 12:11.24 | J_P | people, is possible know what is frequency of my DDR1 memory? I try lshw, but not show frequency.. |
| 12:12.04 | Wulf_ | J_P: try memtest86 |
| 12:12.23 | J_P | Wulf_: I try, but not show too |
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| 12:13.04 | anewbie | or dmidecode ... but i am not so sure |
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| 12:16.41 | DGnome | Hi! Has anyone noticed any differences in LDAP+PAM setups between Lenny and Squeeze? I cant seem to make a squeeze client be able to update the ldap-registry with passwd on the client... |
| 12:16.43 | joltcan | then open the box and look at the memory? |
| 12:17.18 | Flomar | J_P, perlmon ... but i guess it won`t show the frequency... or the latency times |
| 12:17.34 | jaggz- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:20.20 | jaggz- | hey, why when I alt-f1 does it put my root terminal behind other windows? |
| 12:21.37 | jaggz- | kde, using gnome-terminal |
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| 12:24.13 | DGnome | ohhh, there are new ldap-related packages in squeeze (libnss-ldapd) that might work better than the old ones used on lenny |
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| 12:26.56 | jaggz- | seems I had dbus removed from /etc/init.d/ |
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| 12:45.52 | zeev | Hi, there used to be a "debian_from_windows_installer" on goodbye-microsoft.com, but now I find there some new distro "gNewSense"... where can I find a proper debian_installer now? |
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| 12:47.51 | Tw33k^ | zeev: IMO the best installer package is the netinst iso |
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| 12:48.19 | zeev | I don't want to burn a cd... |
| 12:48.38 | Tw33k^ | could use a usb stick |
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| 12:59.45 | miasma | hmm, any idea how to fix this - i have debian unstable on my PIII lappy. it seems the X.org (with all drivers installed and 2.6.26 .. 2.6.31 kernel) doesn't recognize its keyboard nor mouse. It won't even let me back to the virtual console with ctrl-alt-f? so the only way to stop X is to reboot. |
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| 13:01.35 | miasma | i guess the issue has to do with debian's default settings since it previously used to work. the machine had not been in use for a year, but the old debian setup used to work, though |
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| 13:02.31 | miasma | from the x.org logs i see that it uses s3 video driver and evdev for input, but for some reason there's e.g. no visible cursor |
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| 13:13.17 | hipodilski | hi guys I'm gonna come up with a bit of strange question, however I hope somebody might answer |
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| 13:13.50 | hipodilski | when I use Windows I feel less exhausted than when I use my debian linux on my notebook, could that be something with refresh rate of the display? |
| 13:13.56 | joltcan_ | hipodilski: The answer is 42 |
| 13:14.09 | hipodilski | joltcan_: ok away from that answer? |
| 13:14.36 | joltcan_ | hipodilski: I would say that the refresh rate doesn't matter, if you notebook doesn't use a CRT :) |
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| 13:15.40 | hipodilski | joltcan_: :D |
| 13:16.25 | hipodilski | well then I really don't have any explanation |
| 13:16.32 | joltcan_ | hipodilski: Actually I have no idea. Maybe because of your theme? Or that you are running lots of graphical enhancements that makes your computer just some milliseconds more sluggish or so |
| 13:16.46 | joltcan_ | so that it's really about the user experience from a feedback point |
| 13:16.53 | joltcan_ | But I guess we can only speculate |
| 13:16.54 | hipodilski | seriously I use only linux (gnome) for years, however it seems I feel better when working on Windwos |
| 13:17.13 | hipodilski | joltcan_: I have no eyecandy at all |
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| 13:17.44 | prox | Might be the font smoothing. |
| 13:18.37 | hipodilski | good suggestion |
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| 13:20.05 | hipodilski | well I just figured out the refresh rate of the display was set to 60 Hz, I've now changed that to 70 Hz? |
| 13:20.09 | hipodilski | could that be it? |
| 13:21.22 | hipodilski | I also remember I played with fonts some time ago |
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| 13:21.55 | hipodilski | could somebody provide me with the font defaults in debian? |
| 13:22.09 | hipodilski | I mean the one configured at Appearance Settings in control panel |
| 13:22.27 | hipodilski | or at least some decent font configuration? |
| 13:23.28 | Flomar | \j #celerra |
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| 13:25.52 | miasma | ok, it seems x.org log contains "cannot locate a core pointer/keyboard device" now. how does the debian allow configuring hal now that xorg.conf apparently isn't used anymore |
| 13:26.24 | miasma | is there some script that configures hal or do i have to manually add something to the xml files |
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| 13:28.58 | prox | miasma: I got that on my desktop, I think it's a bug.. did you try plugging in a USB device? |
| 13:29.13 | prox | I just replugged my keyboard/mouse when X started up, and they both started working again. |
| 13:29.19 | prox | Tough to do that with a laptop, I guess :( |
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| 13:31.00 | miasma | prox: i plugged in a usb mouse. dmesg says that usb-hid was succesfully loaded etc. unfortunately no effect in X. still no cursor |
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| 13:32.07 | prox | Oh, ugh. |
| 13:32.52 | miasma | this all used to work just fine with old style X. the new hal/xml crap broke it |
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| 13:33.37 | miasma | the "cannot locate a core pointer device" probably doesn't mean anything. on my desktop pc the log also contains that but a mouse is found |
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| 13:40.38 | shibz | Hi! I want to install Debian in a virtual machine, then tar up the entire virtual drive and transfer it to and extract it on a physical box. Does anyone know if there may be any issues with doing this? |
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| 13:42.06 | SlayerXP | shibz: as long as you use a generic ernough initrd, that should work |
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| 13:42.29 | shibz | ok, thanks |
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| 13:42.43 | miasma | ok.. the problem is solved. i had to start hal before xorg is started |
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| 13:43.17 | miasma | and hal didn't start because dbus wasn't started |
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| 14:00.35 | HaskellLove | why is debian better for programmers then ubuntu? |
| 14:01.33 | et | why are bmw cars better for europeans than mercedes cars? |
| 14:01.37 | abrotman | depends on what you're coding for? |
| 14:01.55 | HaskellLove | well people say hard core programmers use debian and babies use ubuntu |
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| 14:02.16 | et | those people are the real babies ;) |
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| 14:02.48 | miasma | HaskellLove: hard core programmers use punch cards, babies have digital storage media |
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| 14:03.09 | et | (if the made the argument the other way around, they'd still be stupid) |
| 14:03.13 | abrotman | HaskellLove: it would depend on your deployment platform more likely .. |
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| 14:03.18 | HaskellLove | so i should stay on ubuntu and not feel inferior programmer? :D |
| 14:03.30 | abrotman | do what you think helps you be most efficient |
| 14:03.38 | et | use whatever works best. anything else is stupid |
| 14:03.53 | miasma | HaskellLove: the fact that you have haskell in your nick probably means you're not a novice programmer :P |
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| 14:04.10 | HaskellLove | MASARUwota fuck no :D |
| 14:04.24 | HaskellLove | miasma fuck no :D |
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| 14:04.58 | abrotman | HaskellLove: you can try it .. but if you're comfortable and feel your platform is supporting your needs .... |
| 14:05.17 | abrotman | that said .. you're in #debian .. Debian rulz .. or something |
| 14:05.28 | HaskellLove | i ask because i am new to ubuntu like half month maybe and i dont know if debian is better |
| 14:05.37 | abrotman | so try it |
| 14:05.55 | HaskellLove | abrotman> ok bitch thanks for the useful input |
| 14:06.31 | abrotman | we can't possibly know for sure which one is better for you .. try them both, hope to see you back here! :) |
| 14:07.25 | tarzeau | can i unchrome the linux google chrome? |
| 14:07.30 | HaskellLove | abrotman> ok bitch |
| 14:07.36 | pngwn | w0w |
| 14:08.23 | abrotman | HaskellLove: okay .. that's enough |
| 14:08.23 | HaskellLove | abrotman> ok bitch |
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| 14:08.23 | abrotman | HaskellLove: please stop with name calling |
| 14:08.27 | abrotman | there's no reason for it |
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| 14:09.16 | abrotman | maybe we won't see him back .. |
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| 14:13.31 | SlayerXP | abrotman: wondering if I could get away "abrotman: well done, bitch!" :) |
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| 14:13.54 | abrotman | once perhaps .. |
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| 14:14.07 | rgr | I think abrotman made HaskellLove his bitch :-; |
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| 14:15.03 | ctmjr | it just amazes me when people come in a channel called debian and ask what is better debian or some other flavor of linux |
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| 14:15.41 | rgr | ctmjr: I dont see why. There are people here who use all sorts. Not everyone is biased of the (to steal a phrase) "Debian rulez" mentality. |
| 14:16.49 | pngwn | rgr, but only "debian" is on topic in here |
| 14:17.01 | abrotman | rgr: because it's a support channel, not a "which linux is better channel" |
| 14:17.10 | SlayerXP | gentoo! |
| 14:17.16 | SlayerXP | *ahem* |
| 14:18.17 | rgr | Very true. if you want to be incredibly small minded about what "support" means. I see support also as "supporting" people who are curious about whether it will meet their need over distro X, Y or Z. As do many others. |
| 14:18.55 | abrotman | yeah .. you seem to have no problems giving support to anyone that comes in .. even users of other distros .. |
| 14:19.28 | abrotman | we've been pretty steady .. this channel is not for foo_linux vs Debian discussions |
| 14:20.13 | abrotman | or shouldn't be anyway .. you could send them to ##linux or #debian-offtopic or in his case perhaps #programming (if it exists) |
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| 14:24.36 | jelly | rgr: anyhoo, it's not "Debian rulez", but debian/rules |
| 14:24.52 | simonrvn | tarzeau: that's what chromium is for |
| 14:25.53 | simonrvn | jelly: ;) |
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| 14:26.13 | fluxdude | I have funny chars in my debian terminal |
| 14:26.15 | jelly | subliminal messages ftw |
| 14:26.20 | fluxdude | any ideas on how to fix? |
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| 14:26.37 | simonrvn | 'reset' ? |
| 14:26.45 | SlayerXP | fluxdude: set tty sane; reset |
| 14:27.03 | fluxdude | SlayerXP: the problems isn't the terminal getting messed up |
| 14:27.04 | jelly | stty sane |
| 14:27.07 | jelly | ? |
| 14:27.15 | fluxdude | more like utf8 chars not being displayed properly |
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| 14:27.34 | jelly | that's a whole different level of funny |
| 14:27.34 | SlayerXP | i would fix that by not trying to use UTF-hate :) |
| 14:27.39 | simonrvn | use a unicode enabled font, set up your terminal properly |
| 14:28.01 | jelly | fluxdude: first thing, does your terminal emulator of choice explicitely support UTF-8? |
| 14:28.13 | fluxdude | I don't think I had this problem before |
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| 14:28.15 | fluxdude | am using aterm |
| 14:28.24 | fluxdude | on this new deb workstation |
| 14:28.33 | fluxdude | must be locale or something related? |
| 14:28.33 | simonrvn | an unicode*. oh my my poor grammar |
| 14:28.36 | jelly | fluxdude: it doesn't (well, it didn't use to)... try rxvt-unicode-lite instead. |
| 14:28.59 | jelly | fluxdude: you need both proper locale and a capable terminal emulator. |
| 14:29.02 | tarzeau | simonrvn: can i get that for debian? where? |
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| 14:29.10 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 14:29.14 | abrotman | i thought aterm wasn't utf8 clean ? |
| 14:29.26 | tarzeau | simonrvn: where? |
| 14:29.41 | tarzeau | simonrvn: some days ago i only saw an rfp/itp. v8 seems in... |
| 14:29.48 | simonrvn | tarzeau: it's not in debian - the licensing is too iffy... can i /msg you? |
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| 14:29.57 | jelly | abrotman: it wasn't, at the time I switched away from it (late lenny freeze) |
| 14:29.58 | tarzeau | simonrvn: sure you can. |
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| 14:31.12 | Titan8990 | simonrvn, they do provide a debian repo for their proprietary version of chrome |
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| 14:32.09 | simonrvn | yeh but i'm not sure they have one for chromium which is a lot less branded |
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| 14:32.39 | abrotman | jelly: apperently still so : http://wiki.debian.org/UTF8BrokenApps |
| 14:33.10 | jelly | rxvt-unicode-lite is the closest equivalent, being a) rxvt-based b) fast enough (no truetype crap), c) transparency/tinting support |
| 14:33.30 | prox | I thought the Aterm developers said they wouldn't ever support UTF-8. Needed a rewrite or something. |
| 14:33.36 | prox | likes rxvt-unicode, too. |
| 14:33.45 | ethanol | how can I get apt not to use ipv6? |
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| 14:34.50 | ethanol | s/not to/to not/ |
| 14:34.51 | jelly | wonders why the stupid resolver even tries ipv6 when there's only link-local address and no routers |
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| 14:35.01 | fluxdude | ok looks like it's aterm's fault not debian's fault |
| 14:35.06 | ethanol | well so do I ): |
| 14:35.09 | fluxdude | xterm works fine |
| 14:35.21 | jelly | ethanol: /etc/gai.conf, perhaps |
| 14:35.22 | prox | jelly: That sounds horribly broken.. |
| 14:35.32 | ethanol | jelly: I did a less on that, everything is uncommented |
| 14:35.36 | ethanol | err, commented |
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| 14:36.37 | jelly | ethanol: Right. I haven't tested this, but it seems one could uncomment all the precedence defaults and then do the "For sites which prefer IPv4 connections" fix |
| 14:37.26 | ethanol | but I want -no- ipv6 |
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| 14:37.55 | jelly | ethanol: well... isn't it enough that your resolver doesn't do ipv6 (or at least prefers ipv4)? |
| 14:38.02 | jelly | !noipv6 |
| 14:38.02 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny and Etch: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
| 14:38.16 | jelly | this won't work for kernels after... 2.6.30 or so |
| 14:38.48 | jelly | er, for _Debian_ kernels after that, because once ipv6 is enabled in the kernel, one can't get rid of it that way |
| 14:39.12 | jelly | ah lookie, someone updated the factoid. |
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| 14:39.47 | ethanol | jelly: I'm more so curious why it even tries to use ipv6 now. it hasn't done this before, only untill a few days ago. |
| 14:40.02 | jelly | ethanol: which debian release are you using? |
| 14:40.04 | abrotman | maybe it tells you in the changelog? |
| 14:40.34 | simonrvn | fluxdude: i use gnome-terminal or Terminal (XFCE's) 'cause i use so many terms |
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| 14:53.03 | ethanol | jelly: sorry, I am using lenny |
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| 15:17.10 | wpgmb | Q on installing from source. I understand add-on pckgs are best placed in /opt. To add/install packages (from source) in /opt, is everything done as root? If so, can I execute the program once installed as a regular user? |
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| 15:18.05 | Titan8990 | wpgmb, unless you are a developer you typically don't want to install manually compiled applications |
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| 15:18.39 | Titan8990 | wpgmb, whether not you could run it after installation would be dependant on the application |
| 15:19.09 | wpgmb | Titan8990: Oh no, nothing that fancy. I just want to get the latest Gimp into Lenny. Instructions are on line, and I can install it just fine on a folder on my desktop, but that's not where I'd like it to be... |
| 15:19.35 | abrotman | judd: versions gimp |
| 15:19.36 | judd | abrotman: gimp -- etch: 2.2.13-1etch4 etch-security: 2.2.13-1etch4 lenny: 2.4.7-1 sid: 2.6.7-1.1 squeeze: 2.6.7-1.1 |
| 15:19.49 | Walex | wpgmb: actually manually compiled applications should go to '/usr/local'. '/opt' is for vendor packages. |
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| 15:20.38 | Titan8990 | wpgmb, I am not sure with gimp specifically but often you can use apt's source build feature to get newer applicaitons |
| 15:20.51 | Titan8990 | !tell wpgmb about ssb |
| 15:20.52 | kolpo | Where can I find upstream infos about a package? Here http://packages.debian.org/lenny/logrotate I can't find out from where the original version comes from. Project web site or so. |
| 15:20.54 | wpgmb | Walex: ok - I was confused reading about the two.. Now - how do I delete the package that's installed in a Gimp folder on my desktop? |
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| 15:21.37 | Titan8990 | kolpo, in some cases debian might BE the upstream. doubt that is the case with logratate though |
| 15:21.38 | abrotman | wpgmb: FWIW .. you can also use stow/checkinstall |
| 15:21.42 | Walex | wpgmb: that's one of the problems with manually installed, instead of packaged, sw. Not easy to undo an install. |
| 15:22.10 | Walex | wpgmb: it could be a simply as deleting one directory, if everything has been installed there. |
| 15:22.12 | wpgmb | Walex: simply deleting the folder will leave undesired residue? |
| 15:22.27 | Walex | wpgmb: only you know what you have installed where. |
| 15:22.51 | Walex | wpgmb: you did the manual install -- you chose target directories. |
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| 15:23.15 | wpgmb | Walex: It's ONE folder on my LXDE desktop. I'll delete that, and re-do everything in /usr/local... UNLESS... I can MOVE the folder?? |
| 15:23.29 | Titan8990 | !ssb |
| 15:23.30 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 15:23.34 | pom | Im having this problem with the kernel shutting down mysqld because it consumes too much memory. However top is showing I have over 600M free ram when this occurs. |
| 15:23.35 | Walex | wpgmb: however it is somewhat unlikely there will be undesired reside, but likely that there will residue. |
| 15:24.05 | Walex | pom: it may a 'ulimit' problems. |
| 15:24.14 | wpgmb | Walex: thanks, I've read and copied the dpkg message. I'll figure it out from here. Thx again! |
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| 15:24.44 | Walex | wpgmb: and usually you cannot just copy compiled files, because they contain hard-coded paths. |
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| 15:24.47 | rgr | Most apps that come as source have an uninstall make target too. Check. I suspect Gimp will for sure. |
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| 15:25.08 | Walex | wpgmb: if you installed the new Gimp with DPKG, then you can install uninstall it. |
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| 15:26.18 | abrotman | wpgmb: seriously .. look at stow/checkinstall |
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| 15:28.15 | pom | Walex: I never fiddled with ulimit, could there be a limit set automatically somehow? |
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| 15:30.25 | Walex | pom: sure, from a shell profile or PAM. It could also that the MySQL process has grown to be 2GiB of virtual space. |
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| 15:51.31 | thunderstrike | plz suggest what shud I take care of... |
| 15:51.31 | jelly | jhutchins_lt: wth does that even mean? |
| 15:51.53 | rgr | what does gui space moutning mean? |
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| 15:51.53 | jhutchins_lt | Using tools that are an inherent part of the GUI, as opposed to part of the underlying system, to manage anything not mounted at boot. |
| 15:51.53 | david00 | jhutchins_lt: would be pretty weird to disable the ability to mount NFS shares in the CLI... |
| 15:51.53 | rgr | funny. my nfs mounts work without any gui. |
| 15:51.53 | rgr | basically that sounds like bullshit :-; |
| 15:51.53 | jhutchins_lt | david00: Yes, yes it would. |
| 15:51.53 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: Some of the hotplug stuff in the last two or three years depended on Gnome. |
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| 15:51.53 | rgr | thats nice. but whats that to do with nfs? |
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| 15:51.54 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: I dunno, I was speculating as to the meaning of the bug that david00 posted. |
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| 15:51.54 | rgr | Oh, it sounded more like facts. As in when you said "Mounting has been moving into user/GUII space for a while." |
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| 15:51.54 | pom | Walex: I have ordered more memory for the machine, but I don't understand what is happning, care to have a look in my logs and help me understand what is happening? Free momory seems plentyful to me. Syslog: http://pastebin.com/m749064f2 , typical "top": http://debian.pastebin.com/m183bbaa7 |
| 15:51.54 | rgr | e.g my laptop has a line in the fstab like this .. no guim no "user space. |
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| 15:51.55 | rgr | development:/media/videos /home/shamrock/videos nfs defaults 0 0 |
| 15:51.55 | petemc | rgr: its not untrue, when you factor in hal/gnome-vfs etc |
| 15:51.55 | rgr | petemc: sure, there are gui components. No one doubts that. |
| 15:51.55 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, ok, nothing to do with the GUI, they're just reporting that it breaks at the non-GUI level. |
| 15:51.55 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: yup. |
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| 15:51.55 | ferr | channel is full ?:) |
| 15:52.05 | rgr | It would be a rare Linux app that forced a GUI to be present to do system level stuff at boot time. |
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| 15:55.01 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: I think there's a certain "we never used a computer without a mouse" trend toward assuming that you will -allways- have a GUI, but there's enough of us old farts out here that they get pretty serious pushback. |
| 15:55.14 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: Did you know that Gnome now has a tweakUI? |
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| 15:55.59 | xreal | Is this about to work? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/157406/ |
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| 15:56.29 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: I'm not sure why you're telling me that since I regularly dont use a GUI at all. In fact it was me questioning your assertion that mounting functionality had been moved into GUI only territory. |
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| 15:57.28 | rgr | As for tweakUI - bleh. |
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| 15:58.15 | H`OuT | hi |
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| 15:58.36 | H`OuT | anyone can know how my debian "lenny" server can beeps on startup when it's ready? |
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| 15:59.08 | rgr | H`OuT: what is ready? You mean at the login prompt? |
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| 16:00.12 | xreal | Is this about to work? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/157406/ |
| 16:00.13 | H`OuT | yes rgr, when beeps i can login via ssh? |
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| 16:00.27 | H`OuT | -?* |
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| 16:01.25 | keith4 | damn. debian-multimedia down? |
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| 16:01.33 | craigevi1 | nope works fine here, the webpage and the repo |
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| 16:02.46 | keith4 | craigevi1: oh weird. it's suddenly working again |
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| 16:04.16 | keith4 | craigevi1: maybe the A record for 'debian-multimedia.org' is gone? because lots of things link to it without the 'www', and those seem to fail |
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| 16:04.47 | keith4 | and... now the whole thing is down again |
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| 16:05.28 | craigevi1 | might be a dns issue with your isp, works fine here im looking at the webpage atm and just did dist-upgrade a few minutes ago |
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| 16:05.54 | craigevi1 | but his repo does get overloaded sometimes, its good to have a mirror in your sources.list for when that happens |
| 16:05.55 | keith4 | craigevi1: oy. Host www.debian-multimedia.org not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
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| 16:24.49 | simonrvn | &wayttd foo |
| 16:24.49 | ravenbird | What Are You Trying To Do, foo? |
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| 16:24.50 | simonrvn | pedro: gcc can handle that |
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| 16:24.50 | simonrvn | &b-e pedro |
| 16:24.50 | ravenbird | pedro: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. aptitude install build-essential |
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| 16:24.51 | Flomar | the forum is so empty today... |
| 16:24.51 | simonrvn | forum? |
| 16:24.51 | rgr | No it doesnt. GCC is not ISO C 90 certified as such :-; |
| 16:24.51 | Flomar | irc rsrs |
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| 16:24.52 | rgr | a forum is a collective of people for open discussion. So yes : a forum is fine. |
| 16:24.53 | Flomar | :) |
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| 16:24.53 | bravvve | Titan8990:i do not fined it in my dvd |
| 16:24.53 | rgr | However in pedantic mode with C89 mode its as close as you probably need. |
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| 16:25.14 | Titan8990 | bravvve, find what? |
| 16:25.14 | bravvve | Titan 8990 netsploit |
| 16:25.15 | Flomar | sad =/ |
| 16:26.08 | Benkiman | i use xchat. can some one tell me how to prevent it from listing out people who join or leave the channel. it just makes viewing so difficult |
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| 16:26.31 | bravvve | Titan8990: netsploit |
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| 16:27.10 | Titan8990 | bravvve, I meant to say netsplit, and i was trying to say that no one saw your question, or atleast I didn't |
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| 16:28.07 | simonrvn | irc is only technically a forum, in that there are people grouped into a virtual location, talking together. it's not called a forum, but a channel. |
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| 16:29.14 | bravvve | Titan8990:event netsplit even this |
| 16:29.20 | simonrvn | bravvve wants the quickest debian mirror, being in algeria. |
| 16:29.28 | xreal | Is this about to work? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/157406/ |
| 16:29.32 | simonrvn | bravvve: a netsplit is an IRC term |
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| 16:29.54 | LemensTS | i did mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc1 |
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| 16:30.04 | simonrvn | xreal: work to do what? |
| 16:30.10 | bravvve | simonrvn:ops,sorry |
| 16:30.10 | LemensTS | and then fdisk -l and it still shows W95 FAT32 |
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| 16:30.43 | craigevi1 | Benkiman: Preferences -> Chatting -> General -> Hide join/part messages |
| 16:30.53 | simonrvn | bravvve: it's what happens when two or more servers lose their connection to each other. a netjoin is the opposite (they regain the connection) |
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| 16:31.19 | Benkiman | craigevi1: Found it. thanks |
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| 16:31.23 | gypsymauro | hi |
| 16:32.07 | simonrvn | bravvve: irc servers i meant =) |
| 16:32.10 | Benkiman | Can some one help me out on my sound problem? I use Debian unstable. I recently did a kernel upgrade as well as an apt-get upgrade. After that there has been no sound. The sound card is detected and all the columns in alsamixer are high |
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| 16:32.29 | gypsymauro | there is a way to record all commands typed on the shell ? I mean I usually open gnome-terminal then i run ssh to connect to my servers and do maintenance jobs.. how can I record what I typed ? |
| 16:33.09 | rgr | Benkiman: I know your pain. Sound is one of those things that falls over all the time. Last time it happened to me I just toggled all the alsa channels on and off and it worked again. |
| 16:33.24 | bravvve | simonrvn:i wan to add package servers to my sources.list,how can i know the fastest one |
| 16:33.49 | rgr | bravvve: you can't. it varies. |
| 16:33.57 | simonrvn | bravvve: often the fastest is the closest one |
| 16:33.57 | Benkiman | rgr: how do you toggle all the alsa channels? |
| 16:33.57 | simonrvn | !mirrors |
| 16:33.57 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/, see also <debmirror>, <apt-mirror>, <mirror size>. |
| 16:33.57 | rgr | use the alsamixer. |
| 16:34.00 | simonrvn | bravvve: ^^^^ |
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| 16:34.21 | rgr | rarely do I find the closest one the fastest. It depends very much on the source servers load. |
| 16:34.42 | bravvve | simonrvn:i remember that there is a tool who helps,but i don't remember his name |
| 16:35.10 | Benkiman | rgr: that doesn't seem to work. all channels are high. is there any other thing i can use to debug this problem |
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| 16:35.29 | Stereo | bravvve: apt-spy |
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| 16:35.42 | Benkiman | Also, it looks like alsaconf has been removed from the alsa-utils package and i am a member of the audio group as well |
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| 16:36.03 | rgr | Benkiman: toggle them on and off worked for me. Or off and on ... |
| 16:36.10 | rgr | bravvve: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 16:36.34 | bravvve | Stereo:shoul i install it ? |
| 16:36.37 | rgr | Maybe spain's proximity will help. |
| 16:36.58 | LemensTS | My /dev/sdc1 says "W95 FAT32"...when I do mkfs.ext3 /dev/sdc1 , it runs the formatter, and i do fdisk -l again and it still says "W95 FAT32" |
| 16:37.22 | Stereo | bravvve: yes, it will choose the fastest mirror |
| 16:37.50 | \amethyst | LemensTS: fdisk is just checking the number in the partition table, not the actual contents |
| 16:38.02 | bravvve | Stereo:well i do not fined it in packages list |
| 16:38.09 | \amethyst | LemensTS: use fdisk's 't' command to change it |
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| 16:38.34 | Benkiman | rgr: Doesn't work |
| 16:38.49 | pedro | I need build-essential to install gcc; build-essential needs dpkg-dev; dpkg-dev needed gcc |
| 16:38.56 | pedro | how can I solve this deadlock_ |
| 16:39.00 | rgr | sorry, cant help more. I hate alsa setup with a passion. |
| 16:39.10 | \amethyst | pedro: install the binary gcc packages first |
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| 16:39.17 | MayaT | hello :) |
| 16:39.28 | \amethyst | pedro: you're going to need a working gcc before you can compile your own version of gcc |
| 16:39.37 | \amethyst | pedro: since it's written in C |
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| 16:41.22 | reber | hi all. I try to boot with a eeepc/1005 HA, it seems that eth0 can't get a dhcp lease. Ideas ? |
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| 16:42.26 | simonrvn | pedro: install all of them ... |
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| 16:43.01 | simonrvn | pedro: buld-essential is just a meta-package, it pulls in things like make, gcc, libc6-dev and other stuff |
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| 16:43.53 | Kaatje | oh for fuck sake, still being attacked? |
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| 16:44.28 | stephan48 | is there some way for rsyslogd to pipe incoming msg first to log and then to a tool? |
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| 16:45.09 | Kaatje | is there anyone here good with pptp setups? need some advice badly |
| 16:45.12 | cahoot | stephan48: using tee? |
| 16:45.21 | stephan48 | how you mean? |
| 16:45.26 | cahoot | no idea |
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| 16:46.09 | rgr | stephan48: maybe better idea is for tool to read the log? |
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| 16:46.19 | stephan48 | mh ok :) |
| 16:46.45 | cahoot | http://www.devdaily.com/blog/post/linux-unix/use-unix-linux-tee-command-send-output-two-or-more-directions-a |
| 16:46.56 | simonrvn | stephan48: it supports pipes ... |
| 16:47.17 | Kaatje | hello? |
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| 16:47.26 | valdyn | Kaatje: ask your real question |
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| 16:47.26 | valdyn | !justask |
| 16:47.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
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| 16:47.33 | cliff_ | Is there a log in /var/log that just shows network connect attempts, and stuff like that? |
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| 16:47.57 | valdyn | cliff_: not exactly |
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| 16:48.00 | Kaatje | i need to setup a pptp vnp on a debian box that will pass the ip address to my apple router |
| 16:48.01 | Titan8990 | cliff_, auth.log will show authentication attempts |
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| 16:48.12 | zomGreg | cliff: auth.log |
| 16:48.21 | Kaatje | so vpn -> debian -> airport |
| 16:48.21 | sdk | bravvve: I usually look for a large technically oriented educational institution located in a time zone for which it is the middle of the night when I want to do my updates. Large .EDUs usually have massive pipes, and the middle of the night (i.e. 3AM) means the bandwidth usage may be minimal. YMMV |
| 16:48.27 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, are you sure you want PPTP? |
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| 16:48.31 | zomGreg | it will show failed attempts and usually from which ip |
| 16:48.35 | valdyn | Kaatje: what is the purpose of this setup? |
| 16:48.40 | Kaatje | pptp is all i have as option |
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| 16:48.48 | valdyn | Kaatje: why? |
| 16:48.54 | simonrvn | my condolences |
| 16:49.07 | Kaatje | to pass all traffic to/from my lan over the vpn |
| 16:49.21 | simonrvn | because s/he has a crappy isp? |
| 16:49.28 | valdyn | Kaatje: im still not exactly sure what you are trying to achieve |
| 16:49.32 | Kaatje | because that is what the company i am contracting with supports |
| 16:49.33 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, just about any VPN protocol can do that |
| 16:49.40 | Titan8990 | oh |
| 16:49.42 | stephan48 | simonrvn but how? :) |
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| 16:49.56 | i37net | hi there. i'm setting up a vps running lenny. what is the significace of the choice of domain name during the installation? is it related to the domain name i choose for the website i want to host? thanks |
| 16:49.57 | simonrvn | oh, worse |
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| 16:51.35 | valdyn | i37net: its not |
| 16:51.36 | Titan8990 | i37net, your systems FQDN is <hostaname>.<domain name> |
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| 16:51.36 | valdyn | i37net: you can change it later, use something that makes sense to the admin |
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| 16:51.36 | valdyn | i37net: which is probably you |
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| 16:51.36 | Kaatje | i can do openvpn too but they say is it a lot harder to setup |
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| 16:51.38 | valdyn | i37net: theres no side effects, its just your shell prompt |
| 16:51.38 | mrbob009 | after adding "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org lenny main" to the apt sources.list, then apt-get update |
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| 16:51.38 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, its not |
| 16:51.38 | mrbob009 | i dont see VLC on my AMD65 system |
| 16:51.38 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, what they meant to say was "it doesn't have a GUI" |
| 16:51.38 | mrbob009 | VLC 1.x that is |
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| 16:52.11 | Kaatje | the important thing is that the debian box has to pass the client side vpn ip address through to my airport extreeme |
| 16:52.13 | i37net | valdyn: Titan8990: thanks! |
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| 16:52.21 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: There is some information on forwarding/routing with iptables here: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
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| 16:52.45 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: You will have to sort out the forwarding from the masquerading yourself though. |
| 16:52.52 | mrbob009 | anyone? |
| 16:53.02 | Kaatje | i do not knowenough about that to do it |
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| 16:53.35 | Kaatje | that is why i am asking in here for help |
| 16:53.49 | Kaatje | if i could do it, i would have no reason to be here |
| 16:53.52 | valdyn | i37net: mind, when you "ssh host.tld" and you get a shell prompt showing "differenthost", thats probably confusing |
| 16:53.54 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, masquerading/NAT is something really easy to google |
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| 16:54.12 | Kaatje | i know what nat is |
| 16:54.18 | Kaatje | my airport does the nat |
| 16:54.32 | Kaatje | and the port forwarding |
| 16:55.13 | Kaatje | all the debian box is supposed to is act as a bridge and pass the vpn ip through |
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| 16:55.49 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, right, trying to tell you that all you have to do is A) have the debian box make the VPN connection B) enable IP forwarding C) configure NAT/masquerading in iptables |
| 16:55.51 | valdyn | Kaatje: why cant the mac box connect to the vpn directly? |
| 16:55.53 | i37net | valdyn: i'm planning to have multiple vhosts so cant have the same name for all my hosts and local domain name anyway |
| 16:55.54 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: I am not talking about port forwarding, I am talking about IP Packet forwarding or routing. That is what you are trying to do. |
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| 16:56.23 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, or you could just throw up a pfsense box for your gateway and let it handle all that crap |
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| 16:57.42 | tweakt | Give a list of packages, what's the easiest way to generate a list of all dependencies (and sub-dependencies)? |
| 16:57.42 | eitan | hello all. Does anyone know what happened to the debian testing repository? There are no downloadable files there. |
| 16:57.42 | valdyn | Kaatje: that would seem like the most sensible solution anyway |
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| 16:57.42 | Kaatje | i do not want the debian box doing nat |
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| 16:57.42 | valdyn | Kaatje: why the hell not? |
| 16:57.42 | Kaatje | what would? pfsense? |
| 16:57.43 | valdyn | Kaatje: to make this setup complex? |
| 16:58.01 | Kaatje | because the airport extreme does the nat and ipv6 tun terminations |
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| 16:58.09 | eitan | Does anyone know why all of the directories at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ are empty? |
| 16:58.11 | Kaatje | and port forwarding |
| 16:58.13 | jorik | how do i enable the php5-dbg files (in /usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/php5/20060613/) in my apache2 httpd configuration so i can debug php5? simply chaning the path in mods-enabled/php5.load gives segmentation faults. |
| 16:58.28 | jorik | +g |
| 16:58.28 | valdyn | Kaatje: your airport can do all that is necessary |
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| 16:59.19 | helo | i've had a catastrophic hard drive failure on a remote server with no admins around... is there a usb image that someone there could boot that would allow me to connect remotely and examine the local drives? |
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| 16:59.56 | cliff_ | Anyone know of a way to have tcpdump listen on a specific port? |
| 16:59.59 | xk | does debian support ssh remote installation any more? |
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| 17:00.37 | zomGreg | helo I think there are some simple Ubuntu USB boot images |
| 17:00.37 | valdyn | cliff_: that does not make sense |
| 17:00.40 | simonrvn | helo: how about you ask *them* |
| 17:01.03 | valdyn | cliff_: it kind of needs to work in promiscous mode to do its job |
| 17:01.27 | valdyn | cliff_: maybe you really mean "can I monitor just s single port with tcpdump" |
| 17:01.30 | Kaatje | ok let me break it down simply. the airport has a gui that i know, undertand and is managed by my servers. so i want to let that continue to to the ipv6 tunnel termination/nat/upmp/port forwarding |
| 17:01.34 | jelly | helo: do you have console access? |
| 17:01.39 | petemc | cliff_: netcat might be more appropriate |
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| 17:01.56 | mriera | hello, I have a server with a kawela 82576 Network interface, where I can find the debian driver? |
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| 17:02.00 | rgr | simonrvn: who is "*them*"? |
| 17:02.20 | Kaatje | right now i have a static ip address from my cable provider that passes through their router to mine in bridge modne |
| 17:02.59 | bravvve | is there any outil to configure file sources.list |
| 17:03.07 | petemc | bravvve: any text editor |
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| 17:03.17 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: I've told you what you need to do. |
| 17:03.20 | eitan | Does anyone know what happened to the dvd images of debian testing at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ ? |
| 17:03.36 | rgr | bravve: or the oh so easy point and click synaptic if you have a gui. |
| 17:03.39 | Kaatje | you said i need to do nat on the debian box |
| 17:03.45 | Kaatje | double nat is bad |
| 17:04.06 | bravvve | petemc:to add the faster servers |
| 17:04.27 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: No, I said you need to do forwarding on it to forward the pptp connection to the air port. I said you do NOT need to do NAT/Masquerade, you need to sort that out from the IP forwarding explained at that link. |
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| 17:04.44 | Kaatje | oh |
| 17:04.53 | LemensTS | \amethyst: i dont see a "t" cmd in fdisk when i do 'man fdisk' |
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| 17:05.02 | Kaatje | is there a tutorial for that someone on the net? |
| 17:05.10 | Kaatje | one that is not like 5 years old? |
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| 17:05.29 | rgr | bravvve: system/admin/synaptic. Select "repositories" from the settings menu, Then the "download from" drop down. It could not be easier. |
| 17:05.29 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: It hasn't changed. What are you looking for, a video? |
| 17:05.43 | Kaatje | no, clear instructions |
| 17:06.01 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: That's the best one I know of, that's why I offered it to you. |
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| 17:06.37 | pedro | where can I found a fast website to download gcc binaries_ |
| 17:06.39 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: I can give you something more complex, comprehensive and advanced about building a secured network. |
| 17:06.39 | Kaatje | i missed the url i am sorry. these netsplits are making it hard to follow |
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| 17:07.05 | p3rror | hello |
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| 17:07.09 | rgr | muses that people seem very picky about what servers they use these days :-) |
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| 17:07.18 | p3rror | anyone experienced with hp d180 g5 |
| 17:07.31 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ |
| 17:07.42 | helo | jelly: no |
| 17:07.43 | rgr | pedro: why dont you just aptitude install it or use synaptic? Its not that big. |
| 17:10.10 | p3rror | i need to configure raid but i dont have a prompt to do that |
| 17:10.10 | Kaatje | thank you, i will look at it |
| 17:10.10 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: You may also find some information by researching firewalls - not because you need a firewall, but because a firewall is also a router. |
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| 17:12.34 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Good luck, it's not really as hard as it looks, you just have to hold your brain right. |
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| 17:13.11 | Kaatje | jhutchins i spent 25 hours trying to make it work with freebsd |
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| 17:13.11 | Kaatje | so i am skeptical on all of it now |
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| 17:17.49 | cliff_ | How does one grep for lines NOT containing a particular expression? |
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| 17:17.50 | cliff_ | I thought it was egrep |
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| 17:17.50 | remote | did you get a bannana with your split? |
| 17:17.50 | cliff_ | Don't think so. |
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| 17:17.50 | simonrvn | cliff_: -v |
| 17:17.50 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Just remember that we're only fellow users looking for our own answers. |
| 17:17.50 | simonrvn | man grep |
| 17:17.50 | simonrvn | egrep is grep -E and deprecated usage |
| 17:17.50 | jhutchins_lt | cliff_: What simonrvn said. |
| 17:17.51 | Jezekus | Hello it may look stupid but how can I partition HDD during instalation my own way? I have no clue how to work with partitioner included in instalation it did partitioning but the wrong way. Thanks |
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| 17:17.51 | jhutchins_lt | Jezekus: I believe there's an "advanced" option when it first offers the partition selections. |
| 17:17.51 | simonrvn | remote: i've been getting a lot of usage out of my netsplit surfboard ;p |
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| 17:18.07 | Jezekus | jhutchins_lt: before instalation? |
| 17:18.25 | jhutchins_lt | Jezekus: During the install process. I had mine already partitioned. |
| 17:18.42 | simonrvn | manual selection, semi-auto parititioning (i call it that, sets up some partitions for you, then you can pick it apart with the manual partitioning) |
| 17:18.50 | Kaatje | yes i know |
| 17:18.52 | simonrvn | partit* |
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| 17:20.24 | Kaatje | this tutorial is overwhelming |
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| 17:21.43 | toolz | Hello, anyone goot at iptables around, I really need some help, please |
| 17:21.48 | Jezekus | Ok so well I see this http://www.jezekus.net/obr/debian.png |
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| 17:22.20 | alphawave | toolz: The guys on #iptables are pretty good at iptables... |
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| 17:22.29 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Actually, I think I may have steered you wrong. |
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| 17:22.54 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: I think all you need is to have IP forwarding enabled and have a route command. |
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| 17:22.57 | Kaatje | i hope so. this should be a very simple thing. |
| 17:23.05 | toolz | alphawave I never got one reply when I stated my issue there |
| 17:23.12 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, no, you have to masquerade too |
| 17:23.14 | toolz | thats why I asked here, I run debian |
| 17:23.18 | alphawave | toolz: That channel, like so many others, does require patience. |
| 17:23.22 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Do you have _any_ firewall rules on the deb box? |
| 17:23.31 | Kaatje | 'it is a naked box |
| 17:23.36 | Kaatje | freshly installed |
| 17:24.25 | rebel_kid | anyone have a good document on configuring init, i need to know how to set /etc/init.d scripts to start on boot, and also how to prioritize, ie i need a daemon to start before apache |
| 17:24.42 | Jezekus | simonrvn: so this shows when I do manual setting but this doesn't allow me to change anything except mount points and filesystems |
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| 17:24.52 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: is the PPTP your internet connecion, or just a special connection? |
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| 17:25.36 | Kaatje | i have a 22MB/s cable connection with a static ip address |
| 17:25.41 | toolz | my issue is that I am being flooded and I have no idea how to block this: http://pastebin.com/m773817c0 |
| 17:25.45 | simonrvn | okaaay ... |
| 17:25.46 | toolz | when I receive such a flood my internet stops working and only people rom my town are able to access my services |
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| 17:26.54 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: I don't care if it's a tin can on a string, is that the pptp? |
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| 17:27.12 | Kaatje | no the pptp is on a server in another country |
| 17:27.14 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: I need to know if that's a default gateway or a specific gateway. |
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| 17:27.32 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Ok, just a VPN then. |
| 17:27.33 | Kaatje | it is a specific gateway |
| 17:27.37 | Kaatje | but |
| 17:28.01 | Kaatje | i want to send all outbound traffic through the vpn |
| 17:28.27 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, set your default route to the VPN client |
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| 17:28.41 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, but you must use NATing |
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| 17:28.53 | Kaatje | except for a specific route for the vpn |
| 17:29.06 | Kaatje | sigh |
| 17:29.17 | eitan | I want to download the debian testing dvd for 386 ... where can I do that? |
| 17:29.17 | Kaatje | i want to use nat on my airport router |
| 17:29.19 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, route add -net <network> <vpn client> |
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| 17:29.31 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Can you add a route on the airport that tells it that the deb box is the gateway for that network? |
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| 17:30.34 | Kaatje | no, the airport would use the vpn endpoint address fir rhe gatewaqy |
| 17:30.52 | Kaatje | the deb box would do the static routes |
| 17:31.10 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, you can set routes on the system you are using' |
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| 17:31.31 | Kaatje | here is how it works now... |
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| 17:32.30 | Jezekus | I'll try restart installation, thanks for now |
| 17:32.39 | Kaatje | inet -> 4.4.4.1/30 -> smc router -> airport 4.4.4.2/30 |
| 17:32.43 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, you make a VPN connection from your laptop to your home VPN server, which is also a VPN client for the other |
| 17:32.48 | Kaatje | the smc is a bridge |
| 17:32.51 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: The airport needs to know that the deb box is the next hop for the vpn network. The deb box needs to pass traffic between the pptp and the airport. |
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| 17:33.09 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, so you set a route (done by default in openvpn) that directs traffic destined to the remote network through the VPN connection |
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| 17:33.43 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, so you are going laptop -> VPN (home) -> VPN (work) -> remote network |
| 17:33.58 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, but it would be much easier just to do: laptop -> VPN (work) -> remote network |
| 17:34.38 | Kaatje | there are 5 servers behind the airport |
| 17:34.43 | reber | I tried to boot with a eeepc/1005 HA, it seems that eth0 can't get a dhcp lease. Ideas ? |
| 17:34.59 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, what does the number of servers have to do with anything? |
| 17:35.05 | Kaatje | all that have port forwards from the airport |
| 17:35.25 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, port forwards? explain |
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| 17:35.46 | rgr | (servers to airpor to debian to vpn I assume) |
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| 17:36.06 | Kaatje | the smc router from the cable company works in two modes |
| 17:36.10 | Kaatje | router or bridge |
| 17:36.15 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: You have to tell the airport to route traffic for the vlan to the deb box. |
| 17:36.23 | Kaatje | it is currently in bridge mode |
| 17:37.00 | Kaatje | so the inet sees my airport as the actual router not the smc router |
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| 17:37.19 | Kaatje | need to do the same thing with the vpn router |
| 17:37.26 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, why do we even care about your house? |
| 17:37.36 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: This is possible. |
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| 17:37.41 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, what is stopping you from directly connecting to your work's VPN from the airport? |
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| 17:38.13 | Kaatje | the airport does not have the ability to setup vpn's that s why |
| 17:38.15 | pedro | I've been trying to use aptitude to install packages, but I've got this answer: No candidate version found for latex-xft-fonts |
| 17:38.21 | Kaatje | or it would be a done deakl |
| 17:38.21 | pedro | why? |
| 17:38.42 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Wait, no, tell the _clients_ on the airport lan to route the vlan to the linux box! |
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| 17:39.25 | wildc4rd_ | evenin' all |
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| 17:40.31 | Kaatje | aiport has wan and lan ports |
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| 17:40.39 | Kaatje | wan is 4.4.4.2/30 |
| 17:40.50 | Kaatje | lan is 10.01.x/24 |
| 17:41.04 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Tell the _clients_ on the airport lan to route the vlan to the linux box. THe airport already knows how to route to the linux box. |
| 17:41.11 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, as long as the airport will allow you to make an outgoing VPN connection, whatever else they have is no concern to you |
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| 17:41.30 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, you don't need a router or a gateway for a VPN connection your laptop (the client) can make the connection and use it |
| 17:41.44 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Problem is that the VPN terminates at the linux box, not the airport. |
| 17:42.03 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt, what linux box? |
| 17:42.06 | Titan8990 | !xy problem |
| 17:42.07 | dpkg | i heard xy problem is that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem |
| 17:42.14 | jhutchins_lt | It is not unknown to have multiple routers on a network acting as gatways to different nets. In effect, we want the linux box to be a router for the vpn. |
| 17:42.16 | Kaatje | yes exactly |
| 17:42.30 | Titan8990 | jhutchins_lt, but we don't need the linux box to be a router for the VPN |
| 17:42.41 | Titan8990 | or I haven't heard a reason for why its needed yet |
| 17:42.42 | Kaatje | it terminates on the deb box and thus needs to forward the addy to the airport |
| 17:42.44 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: Unless the airport can't terminate the VPN. |
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| 17:43.07 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, but why even go to the deb box? why not make the VPN connection directly |
| 17:43.12 | Kaatje | the airport cannot terminate a vopn |
| 17:43.12 | Titan8990 | thats what I don't understand |
| 17:43.15 | Kaatje | vpn |
| 17:44.08 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: What vpn client are you using? Remote LAN is 4.4.4.2/30? |
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| 17:44.30 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, why does it need to? |
| 17:44.41 | Kaatje | isp side is .1, my side is .2 |
| 17:44.52 | Kaatje | a /30 network |
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| 17:46.00 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: On clients: route add -net 4.4.4.2/30 gw <IP of Debian box> |
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| 17:47.38 | ethanol | http://xkcd.com/676/ <3 |
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| 17:48.40 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Then make sur ethe VPN Client on the debian box is in bridging mode. |
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| 17:49.50 | rgr | pedro: use synaptic. use "search". its not hard. |
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| 17:50.19 | Kaatje | this is too much of a clusternut. i will look for a commercial solution as opensource sucks for this sort of stuff without standing on your head with two thumbs in your bum |
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| 17:51.14 | pedro | rgr: with synaptic I can not find packages available on websites, only the ones installed on my PC |
| 17:51.16 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Your best solution is to replace the airport with a router that will terminate VPN connections. Linksys has some for well under $200, possibly under $100. |
| 17:51.20 | pedro | any reason for this_ |
| 17:51.25 | pedro | ? |
| 17:51.34 | Kaatje | i have 3 airports that server me fine |
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| 17:51.44 | Kaatje | they just do not do vpns |
| 17:51.45 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: No, they don't terminate VPN's. |
| 17:51.53 | rgr | yes. you havent read what synaptic or aptitude are. How do you expact them to find "things on websites"? |
| 17:51.58 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Mission critical. Keeps your head from exploding. |
| 17:52.05 | rgr | what is it exactly you are trying to do? |
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| 17:52.18 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: It might just work if you told the clients that the linux box was the gateway. |
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| 17:52.49 | redguy | since last upgrade network manager does not list any wireless networks. I suppose that this has something to do with udev upgrade which pulled in udev-consolekit. Any hints on how I can solve this? |
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| 17:53.16 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, I have been trying hard to understand this but I am not getting it. Why are you making a VPN connection to your house so that you can use a debian box as a VPN gateway for a 2nd VPN tunnel instead of just making the VPN connection to the destination? |
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| 17:54.03 | Kaatje | because i have a contract that requires all of my traffic to pass through a vpn |
| 17:54.41 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, alright... but why must your debian box be the one to establish that VPN and not your client? |
| 17:54.45 | Kaatje | and i need to terminate the vpn to something |
| 17:55.00 | Kaatje | because i have like 8 machines |
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| 17:55.13 | Kaatje | and i am not paying for 8 vpn accounts |
| 17:55.27 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: What are you using for the VPN software on the debian box? |
| 17:55.33 | Titan8990 | alright, that was the answer I was looking for, thanks |
| 17:55.33 | redguy | NetworkManager outputs this : http://pastebin.ca/1717201 , my /etc/network/interfaces : http://pastebin.ca/1717203 |
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| 17:56.30 | Titan8990 | redguy, what version of debian? |
| 17:56.48 | Kaatje | pptp or openvpn, doesnt matter. all that matters is if the vpn drops, it tries to reconnect immediately |
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| 17:57.01 | redguy | Titan8990: sid |
| 17:57.16 | redguy | Titan8990: yeah, I know, this is my fault... |
| 17:57.18 | Titan8990 | !sid |
| 17:57.19 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 17:57.35 | Titan8990 | redguy, yeah, for using sid. your support is on the BTS, not IRC |
| 17:58.02 | jhutchins_lt | redguy: NON AUTHORATATIVE ANSWER: Put "auto wlan0 <CR>iface wlan0 inet dhcp" in yout /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 17:58.51 | poisonbit | Kaatje, there are some options about "it tries to reconnect immediately" in the config man page... i don't remember all using my memory, but i'm pretty sure that there was some options for that in openvpn |
| 17:59.14 | Titan8990 | ifupdown has a copyright from (C) 2008 Canonical Ltd.?? |
| 17:59.25 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: openvpn will bridge. |
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| 18:00.04 | Kaatje | we are jumping the gun though, we still have not figured out how to terminate the vpn in bridge mode |
| 18:00.27 | Kaatje | so that the airport wan interface gets the vpn addresss |
| 18:00.51 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, no, your laptop should get the VPN address, not airport equipment |
| 18:00.57 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Tell the clients that the linux box's IP is the gateway to the VPN network. |
| 18:01.04 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: On clients: route add -net 4.4.4.2/30 gw <IP of Debian box> |
| 18:01.50 | poisonbit | openvpn? then the ip should be in tunN or tapN (defined in config file) |
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| 18:02.05 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Airport already knows where the debian box is. |
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| 18:02.37 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: You may not realize it yet, but you're sorted. |
| 18:02.55 | hochron | I recently found this in my system messages: : [origin software="rsyslogd" swVersion="4.4.2" x-pid="2176" x-info="http://www.rsyslog.com"], should I be worried? |
| 18:03.18 | Kaatje | io am not putting static addresses on every damn machine when the airport should be acting as thr dhcp router |
| 18:03.20 | redguy | jhutchins_lt: now nm thinks that it should not manage wlan0 neither |
| 18:03.29 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: I've done this, we were just confusing ourselves making it more complex than it is. |
| 18:03.52 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, it does, for their network, but the VPN network is different and you will need to set static IPs in your openvpn config |
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| 18:04.27 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, there is some kine of "assume dynamic clients" option on the server side that might be able to use DHCP if you have a DHCP server on the debian box |
| 18:04.32 | jhutchins_lt | redguy: K, sorry, for lenny it wants an "auto <if>" line, and an "iface <if> inet dhcp" line. |
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| 18:05.02 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Only the linux VPN box needs a static IP, and it can be assigned by DHCP. |
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| 18:05.40 | hochron | I think I have a serious problem.... |
| 18:05.44 | cliff_ | I recently cleaned my downloaded packages, and for some reason aptitude seems less able to resolve the various dependencies regarding said packages. |
| 18:06.06 | amphi | !heal hochron |
| 18:06.06 | dpkg | heals amphi with Super Cow Powers. |
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| 18:06.15 | amphi | bah |
| 18:06.16 | cliff_ | Before, when I ran aptitude remove lxde, it was going to automatically remove all the related packages that were installed with it. Now, when I try to remove it, lxde that is, it only remove lxde. |
| 18:06.26 | cliff_ | And nothing else. |
| 18:06.30 | cliff_ | This doesn't seem right at all |
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| 18:07.38 | cliff_ | Does aptitude actually need those downloaded packages or something to resolve dependencies? |
| 18:07.41 | cliff_ | Why is this happening? |
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| 18:11.42 | poisonbit | cliff_, /var/cache/apt/archives is not needed for resolving deps, it's only a download caché |
| 18:12.02 | nadar | the join mesage is kind of broken: * #debian :http://www.debian.org |
| 18:12.03 | poisonbit | cliff_, you can view package dependences, and list installed packages and compare |
| 18:12.06 | nadar | *+s |
| 18:12.10 | nadar | hi, btw :) |
| 18:12.18 | poisonbit | hi |
| 18:12.20 | cliff_ | Well, the big thing is, I ran aptitude install lxde. |
| 18:12.30 | cliff_ | And then I ran aptitude purge lxde, but it's not removing everything it installed. |
| 18:12.48 | poisonbit | then maybe preferences |
| 18:12.51 | cliff_ | It initially installed like 100 packages. When I go to remove it, it only removed 1: lxde |
| 18:12.58 | poisonbit | aptitude and apt are configurable |
| 18:13.09 | redguy | whoah, google is really fast. my 6 minutes old pastebin is already indexed! |
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| 18:13.38 | nadar | anyone knows if wcstools are in some debian-repo? |
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| 18:13.52 | cliff_ | Right. Well, I see an option in there for automatically removing unused packages. |
| 18:14.02 | cliff_ | It is set. However, it is still not removing unused packages. |
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| 18:14.19 | poisonbit | nadar, you can search for oficial packages in packages.debian.org |
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| 18:14.36 | poisonbit | nadar, for unoficial packages, you can use a search engine and some regexps |
| 18:14.43 | poisonbit | file: bla*.deb |
| 18:14.50 | nadar | poisonbit, you mean packes provided by debian driectly? |
| 18:14.50 | poisonbit | or something like |
| 18:15.20 | poisonbit | nadar, yes, in packages.debian.org you can browse/search for stable, testing, sid and experimental packages (all packages) |
| 18:15.37 | nadar | thx poisonbit |
| 18:15.44 | poisonbit | you are welcome |
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| 18:16.21 | nadar | nothing in there :( |
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| 18:19.24 | TGD17 | can anyone help me get my debian clock corrected? |
| 18:19.27 | TGD17 | please |
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| 18:20.01 | donald | your system clock? |
| 18:20.06 | poisonbit | nadar, which license has wsctools ? |
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| 18:20.50 | TGD17 | yep |
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| 18:20.54 | poisonbit | TGD17, do you use internet? aptitude install ntp |
| 18:20.54 | Titan8990 | !set time |
| 18:20.54 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install <ntp> to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny and later) or tzconfig (etch and earlier) to set the time zone, and verify the UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS prior. |
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| 18:21.34 | TGD17 | I already set the time zone(LA or Pacific) and it is still not right |
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| 18:22.12 | Titan8990 | TGD17, and you installed ntp after that? |
| 18:22.18 | nadar | poisonbit, atm i only know it just exists. seen packages in fedorea 7 and 9 at rpmseek |
| 18:22.21 | donald | try "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" or install ntpd as mentioned above. |
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| 18:24.06 | pedro | where can I find gcc binaries? |
| 18:24.15 | poisonbit | /usr/bin ? |
| 18:24.24 | pedro | at the web |
| 18:24.34 | poisonbit | not searching in irc ? |
| 18:24.38 | poisonbit | :) |
| 18:24.53 | Titan8990 | pedro, I don't think the GNU project distributes gcc in binary form, could be wrong though |
| 18:25.07 | pedro | so how do I compile gcc? |
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| 18:25.19 | pedro | it needs a iso90 cc compiler |
| 18:25.38 | pedro | and yes, they have binaries |
| 18:25.43 | pedro | I found one website |
| 18:25.48 | pedro | but it is too slow |
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| 18:26.06 | poisonbit | using a live stystem ? |
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| 18:27.08 | Titan8990 | pedro, use the UK mirror, looks like the U.S. one is terribly slow |
| 18:27.24 | poisonbit | gcc can be used to build gcc? |
| 18:28.10 | Titan8990 | poisonbit, I know on gentoo its compiled... never paid attention to what language its written or what it is using to compile |
| 18:28.44 | poisonbit | in Debian just aptitude install build-essentials gives a build environment |
| 18:28.53 | poisonbit | doesn't know if it's i"so 90 cc" compatible |
| 18:28.58 | ehnvis | poisonbit: yeah thats correct, you use gcc to build gcc. or atleast thats how it was done on gentoo years ago |
| 18:29.00 | TGD17 | how do I get ntp to work |
| 18:29.02 | TGD17 | I installed it |
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| 18:29.16 | Titan8990 | !ntp |
| 18:29.17 | dpkg | The Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. See also <set time>. |
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| 18:30.43 | pedro | Titan8990: whats the address of uk website? |
| 18:30.49 | Titan8990 | pedro, i just downloaded it from the mirror and it is C source code, not a binary. where did you find a binary? |
| 18:30.56 | jhutchins_lt | Titan8990: You wouldn't happen to know if you can use the steptickers file with debain's NTP? |
| 18:31.10 | pedro | ftp://ftp.thewrittenword.com/packages/by-name/ |
| 18:31.20 | pedro | http://gcc.gnu.org/install/binaries.html |
| 18:32.02 | jelly | pedro: what is wrong with gcc-4.3 from Debian? |
| 18:32.07 | Titan8990 | pedro, looks like the only location |
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| 18:34.49 | jelly | -std= [...] c89 [or] iso9899:1990 -- Support all ISO C90 programs (certain GNU extensions that conflict with ISO C90 are disabled). Same as -ansi for C code. |
| 18:35.23 | poisonbit | can the dpkg bot facts be listed? |
| 18:35.37 | jelly | poisonbit: listed where? |
| 18:35.45 | poisonbit | in a /msg window |
| 18:35.50 | jelly | dpkg: your factoids |
| 18:35.50 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys>, <help-listvals> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. See also <opensearch>. |
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| 18:36.05 | poisonbit | thanks |
| 18:36.14 | jelly | poisonbit: you ask do /msg dpkg listkeys foo, or listvals foo |
| 18:36.19 | jelly | s/ask/can/ |
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| 18:37.15 | jelly | Kinder_Surprise: I don't think extra bots in this channel are allowed... please stop answering to s/foo/bar/ |
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| 18:37.31 | pedro | jelly: the problem is this - configure: error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH |
| 18:37.44 | pedro | when I try to configure gcc-4.3 |
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| 18:37.55 | jelly | pedro: WHY are you trying to build gcc? |
| 18:38.04 | jhutchins_lt | pedro: Have you installed build-essential? |
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| 18:38.55 | pedro | build-essential needs dpkg-dev; dpkg-dev needs gcc |
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| 18:39.08 | jhutchins_lt | So? |
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| 18:39.17 | jhutchins_lt | pedro: Instlal them. |
| 18:39.27 | pedro | so |
| 18:39.27 | jelly | pedro: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 gcc\* | grep '^.i' and the _complete_ output of "aptitude install build-essential" |
| 18:39.34 | pedro | all depends on gcc |
| 18:40.17 | jelly | pedro: also pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
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| 18:40.53 | fatalerrors | i have a problem concerning a debian nfs server i want to create |
| 18:40.53 | poisonbit | jelly, i didn't think that it was sql based... how is written? perl? python? c? |
| 18:41.03 | pedro | http://pastebin.com/d554e418 |
| 18:41.25 | fatalerrors | i always have acces denied when trying to go in the mounted directory |
| 18:41.33 | Titan8990 | pedro, alright, thats 1/3rd of what was asked for, now the rest |
| 18:41.37 | fatalerrors | what's the problem? |
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| 18:42.03 | poisonbit | pedro, see the Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "build-essential" <- houston! we have a package management problem! |
| 18:42.03 | fatalerrors | note: mounting return no error |
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| 18:42.49 | jelly | poisonbit: perl |
| 18:42.52 | jelly | dpkg: what are you |
| 18:42.52 | dpkg | I am an infobot. For more info see <infobot>. |
| 18:42.55 | Titan8990 | poisonbit, which we will find out about when he pastes the rest |
| 18:43.01 | poisonbit | thanks again |
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| 18:43.23 | pedro | jelly: done |
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| 18:43.34 | jelly | pedro: sorry? |
| 18:43.37 | pedro | http://pastebin.com/m42d07da0 |
| 18:43.39 | poisonbit | fatalerrors, can you paste your exports and fstab? |
| 18:43.49 | pedro | http://pastebin.com/m74391056 |
| 18:43.57 | poisonbit | fatalerrors, and also... have you portmap installed, right? |
| 18:44.04 | Titan8990 | pedro, you tried to execute a text file |
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| 18:44.14 | Titan8990 | pedro, cat the file |
| 18:44.16 | donald | pedro: do a "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 18:44.49 | jelly | pedro: paste the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ... you don't seem to have any mirror configured or enabled in there. |
| 18:44.58 | pedro | http://pastebin.com/m53f11390 |
| 18:45.08 | poisonbit | jeje |
| 18:45.27 | fatalerrors | poisonbit: there's only one line: /share 192.168.0.*(rw) |
| 18:45.32 | rgr | pedro: why do you keep ignoring advice? Set up your libraries using synaptic. It can not be simpler. Then search for build-essential and install it. otherwise you'll be posting your sources.list from here until kingdom come. |
| 18:45.41 | fatalerrors | and yes portmap is installed |
| 18:45.52 | jelly | !+tell pedro -about sources.list |
| 18:45.53 | dpkg | told pedro about sources.list. |
| 18:46.03 | jelly | rgr: eugh, synaptic? |
| 18:46.19 | rgr | perfect for a nOOb who gets confused. And Pedro is confused :-; |
| 18:46.33 | donald | !+tell donald -about sources.list |
| 18:46.34 | dpkg | told donald about sources.list. |
| 18:46.34 | poisonbit | pedro, replace that file with this: http://pastebin.com/m35fba6d8 |
| 18:46.44 | jelly | !tell donald about selftell |
| 18:46.45 | rgr | I always advise it first and then get them to look at sources.list. |
| 18:46.50 | poisonbit | pedro, then aptitude update && aptitude install builod-essential |
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| 18:47.23 | pedro | I have update the file sources.list with the content available in http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 18:47.26 | rgr | curroection : "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install build-essential" |
| 18:47.43 | poisonbit | that is |
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| 18:47.45 | jelly | sudo is enabled in default installation? |
| 18:47.50 | jelly | since when? |
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| 18:47.53 | beli | TeKirDaG is onjoin spammer |
| 18:48.03 | rgr | or, just use synaptic ... :-) |
| 18:48.29 | Titan8990 | jelly, its an option in the advanced install |
| 18:48.47 | Titan8990 | jelly, excuse me, "expert install" |
| 18:49.04 | poisonbit | that is |
| 18:49.05 | jelly | Titan8990: I don't think easily confused users choose expert stuff :-> |
| 18:49.10 | pedro | poisonbit: done, let me execute |
| 18:49.41 | jelly | pedro: pastebin your current sources.list again, please. Does "aptitude update", as root, work after that? |
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| 18:49.48 | pedro | yes |
| 18:49.49 | EmleyMoor | Remember, an expert is merely a has-been drip-under-pressure |
| 18:49.55 | pedro | :) |
| 18:49.55 | rgr | true. But I think everyone should remember at times that real nOObs might well make a heims of editing something like sources.list. Let synaptic take care of it while they learn to walk. |
| 18:50.00 | pedro | now, waiting |
| 18:50.44 | pedro | installing build-essential |
| 18:51.03 | jelly | rgr: dunno, I find it more complex to drive someone to a tool I'm unfamiliar with, than to check their text file configuration. |
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| 18:51.37 | pedro | rgr: synaptic did not allowed installation. Probably because sources.list was empty |
| 18:51.39 | rgr | while that is valid from your point of view (to inspect the sources.list) its easier for them, often, to modify it using the tools provided. Synaptic could not be easier. really. |
| 18:51.43 | poisonbit | pedro, then you will have the basic tools for compile programs |
| 18:52.02 | poisonbit | pedro, in debian there are also src repos, with the gcc debian sources |
| 18:52.03 | jelly | rgr: ok, I'll leave you to do synaptic support! |
| 18:52.04 | rgr | pedro: it was empty probably because you edited it and deleted the previous lines. |
| 18:52.08 | pedro | rgr: exactly |
| 18:52.12 | poisonbit | that you can use to build mygcc.deb |
| 18:52.18 | pedro | rgr: no |
| 18:52.18 | rgr | :-; |
| 18:52.33 | pedro | it was the way the file was defined after installed musix gnu linux |
| 18:52.42 | jelly | we still don't know WHY pedro wants to build gcc |
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| 18:53.00 | rgr | he doesn't. |
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| 18:53.15 | pedro | jelly: because it was not installed on debian |
| 18:53.20 | abrotman | uh ... |
| 18:53.20 | rgr | lol. |
| 18:53.28 | jelly | pedro: why did you want it installed? |
| 18:53.34 | rgr | pedro: you just installed it. |
| 18:53.37 | pedro | yes |
| 18:53.38 | pedro | now |
| 18:53.41 | pedro | not before |
| 18:53.58 | pedro | I think the answer to your question is obvious |
| 18:54.01 | rgr | someone gave you a bum steer earlier. You did not and never will need to compile it is my guess. installing it is not compiling it. |
| 18:54.05 | pedro | jelly... |
| 18:54.24 | jelly | ? |
| 18:55.00 | jelly | you wanted to build gcc to have gcc to be able to build gcc? |
| 18:55.18 | jelly | that's damn obvious. |
| 18:55.25 | pedro | I wanted to build gcc in order to compile other programs |
| 18:55.34 | rgr | pedro: but for future reference while aptitude command line tools are considered "best", synaptic is a pretty good and easy to use gui tool which will greatly simplify you looking for SW. It groups SW into logical groups and allows you to modify the sources.list using predefined suites of sources. Do try it. it's not for wimps as some will try to convince you :-) |
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| 18:55.41 | poisonbit | if pedro is not native english, newbie or not tech person... it is easy to fail in such things at the begining |
| 18:55.44 | Titan8990 | pedro, why would you want to compile other programs instead of using the package manager? |
| 18:55.46 | jelly | pedro: which other programs? |
| 18:56.08 | rgr | pedro: as I said no you did not want to "compile it" - you wanted to install the compiler. They you use that to build oither programs. |
| 18:56.43 | AimHere | Including the compiler, if that's what you really want |
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| 18:57.22 | rgr | AimHere: nice way to stick a stick in the spokes of understanding there :-; He really doesn't want to compile the compiler. |
| 18:57.27 | pedro | well |
| 18:57.39 | pedro | conversation is getting confused |
| 18:57.43 | abrotman | rgr: and does he really want to compile other programs? |
| 18:57.46 | jelly | !confuse me |
| 18:57.47 | dpkg | No, who are my mushroom yesterday, jelly? Trousers of the Dictatorship of Liechtenstein with extra anchovies. |
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| 18:57.51 | pedro | thx for your help |
| 18:57.57 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: It occurs to me that whatever he's trying to install build-essentials for is probably the wrong answer as well. |
| 18:58.13 | Titan8990 | !xy problems |
| 18:58.16 | pedro | now I can install everything I want in an easy way with aptitute or synaptic |
| 18:58.16 | Titan8990 | !xy problem |
| 18:58.17 | dpkg | xy problem is, like, that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem |
| 18:58.17 | asdf124 | !ops TeKirDaG on-join spam |
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| 18:58.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: asdf124 complains about: TeKirDaG on-join spam |
| 18:58.18 | rgr | abrotman: that ie debatable. What is for sure is that he certainly does not want to compile the compiler. |
| 18:58.25 | poisonbit | jhutchins_lt, same here |
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| 18:58.38 | dondelelcaro | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.46 | jelly | wii! |
| 18:58.48 | azeem | I cycled a2 earlier |
| 18:58.54 | abrotman | rgr: it's just as likely as compiling other programs .. you really don't know what his finaly intention was |
| 18:58.54 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: yes. me too. |
| 18:58.55 | azeem | didn't kline TeKirDaG |
| 18:59.04 | poisonbit | pedro, programs written by you, or other people programs ? |
| 18:59.07 | ralf_e | Debian New Maintainers' Guide says patches have to be edited "to make it a -p1 patch to the source tree". Is there a way to convert / prefix the paths in an existing -p0 patch file to make them applicable with -p1? |
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| 18:59.13 | dondelelcaro | probably doesn't match the spam that it's sending |
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| 18:59.37 | rgr | abrotman: no it isn't. But anyway, my point remains valid He did not want to compile the compiler so he could compile other programs. I am not a crystal ball and it wasn not me tellig him how to compile the compiler. |
| 18:59.42 | abrotman | i didn't get anything .. yet |
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| 19:00.01 | jelly | ralf_e: add a "foo/" in front of each file path? |
| 19:00.02 | Titan8990 | ralf_e, #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net |
| 19:00.18 | azeem | abrotman: note that asdf124 == richih apparently |
| 19:00.19 | abrotman | rgr: uhm .. so you know for certain that he wanted to compile other programs but not the compiler? |
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| 19:00.25 | abrotman | azeem: i gathered that |
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| 19:00.47 | abrotman | guess that's why i didn't get anything |
| 19:01.18 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: He thought the way to obtain the compiler was to compile it. |
| 19:01.30 | rgr | abrotman: I dont know what you're talking about. I dont know WHAT he wanted to build - ask the others who dealt with him earlier about that, All I know is that he did not need to compile the compiler. It seems pretty straightforward. many people compile many things with out ever needing to compile their own compiler. |
| 19:01.46 | ralf_e | jelly, yes, but, like doing that with some tool? the patch in question is quite large... |
| 19:01.50 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: exactly. |
| 19:02.04 | jhutchins_lt | ralf_e: Have a look at the patch manual. |
| 19:02.08 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: which is worrying in itseld. Chicken and egg :-; |
| 19:02.17 | abrotman | rgr: you're still not getting it .. have a nice day |
| 19:02.22 | jelly | ralf_e: sed? perl? awk? |
| 19:02.37 | cliff_ | So, why is it that when I run aptitude install lxde, it installs perhaps 100 packages, but then when I try to remove it, it only removed one? |
| 19:02.38 | rgr | abrotman: no I am not. Please read the thread. It was me debating his need in the first place. |
| 19:02.41 | jhutchins_lt | ralf_e: It's been a couple of years, but I think that's part of the process you can specify when creating the patch. |
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| 19:03.04 | cliff_ | I was under the impression aptitude was supposed to automatically remove unused packages. |
| 19:03.09 | abrotman | cliff_: aptitude why foo |
| 19:03.18 | jhutchins_lt | cliff_: Because it's not easy to determine what caused each package to be installed, and whether a package is an orphan or not. |
| 19:03.55 | Titan8990 | abrotman, rgr, http://pastebin.com/d35af7e10 |
| 19:03.59 | poisonbit | cliff_, that is the default behavior, yes |
| 19:04.03 | jelly | ralf_e: oh, if you have o idea how, try something along the lines of sed -r 's#^(\+\+\+|---) #\1 foo/#' |
| 19:04.42 | abrotman | poisonbit: no, it should remove packages that were installed automatically |
| 19:05.04 | poisonbit | right, i failed |
| 19:05.05 | ralf_e | jelly, thanks. just thought maybe some tool would do that out of the box. |
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| 19:05.14 | cliff_ | Mine doesn't uninstall packages that were installed automatically |
| 19:05.18 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: is that necessarily true? I see packages removed all the time by aptitude when not needed. |
| 19:05.23 | jelly | ralf_e: yes, it's called sed! |
| 19:05.28 | ralf_e | :) |
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| 19:05.39 | cliff_ | When I install LXDE, it installs tons of packages automatically, and then removes none of them automatically when I remove LXDE. |
| 19:05.47 | jhutchins_lt | This is the reason deborphan exists. |
| 19:05.54 | cliff_ | Although now, when I run aptitude purge lxde on the command line, it seems to uninstall _some_ of the stuff. |
| 19:05.55 | abrotman | cliff_: aptitude why |
| 19:06.22 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: Tracking the autoinstalls is iffy, espeically if someone's mixing dselect, apt-get, and aptititude. |
| 19:06.44 | poisonbit | cliff_, aptitude is configurable, and documented (and translated both, the program and the documentation, in lot of formats), and also package changes are loged |
| 19:06.52 | jhutchins_lt | cliff_: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/cleaning-up-all-unnecessary-junk-files-in-ubuntu.html |
| 19:07.07 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: tell me about it. I raised this a while ago and someone rater sniffy pooh poohed it here. I almost had my entire system uninstalled when I tried to remove gedit. |
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| 19:07.35 | jhutchins_lt | I just filed a bugreport that removing noatun tries to remove kde. |
| 19:07.38 | poisonbit | cliff_, you can see changes in /var/log/aptitude |
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| 19:09.04 | jhutchins_lt | This is a problem in rpm based systems as well. If you try to update an auto-installed package individually, it gets marked as manually installed. |
| 19:10.32 | rgr | The main advice I would give is always keep a close eye on whats being uninstalled - whether you are installing OR removing SW using aptitude. |
| 19:10.45 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: you're saying you filed a bug that a package depended on by a metapackage, removes a metapackage ? |
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| 19:11.55 | jelly | abrotman: someone removed "removing" from your sentence, introducing "confusion" instead |
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| 19:12.23 | poisonbit | heads is loose in metaprograming |
| 19:12.38 | poisonbit | i can't understand it well |
| 19:13.43 | poisonbit | after +/-10 years of only sh scripting |
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| 19:16.24 | datz | Hi, after in build and install a kernel, do I just restart? |
| 19:16.34 | datz | to load it? |
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| 19:16.57 | abrotman | did you configure your bootloader ? |
| 19:17.04 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: D'Oh! Yeah, I think so. |
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| 19:18.07 | jhutchins_lt | Um, no, wait, it tries to remove 131 packages. |
| 19:18.09 | Titan8990 | datz, yes, how did you build and install it? |
| 19:19.00 | poisonbit | datz, do you know the "kernel-package" package and its ussage? |
| 19:19.06 | datz | Titan8990: I followed a guide Durban-administration.org/articles/90 |
| 19:19.08 | Zak_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:19.13 | Zak_ | though lsusb showed it , but i can't find amy device in ''select your device '' men |
| 19:19.20 | datz | poisonbit: not really |
| 19:19.39 | datz | debian-administration.org |
| 19:19.45 | datz | brb |
| 19:19.46 | lisff32 | hmm, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not give me any prompts on sid, /var/cache/debconf/config.dat has nothing for any X package in it. i know that x.org is able to self-configure to some extent, but it seems to fail with the proprietary nvidia driver |
| 19:19.51 | poisonbit | datz, is very helpful to build and install custom kernels in a debian system |
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| 19:20.40 | datz | poisonbit: ok, I think that is what I have done? |
| 19:20.41 | datz | lol |
| 19:21.08 | poisonbit | so it has genereated some .deb ? |
| 19:21.16 | poisonbit | in ../ |
| 19:21.31 | datz | yes |
| 19:21.31 | jelly | lisff32: use X -configure to generate a template xorg.conf |
| 19:21.39 | datz | this is what I followed: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/90 |
| 19:21.49 | poisonbit | datz, when you dpkg -i that kernel, the bootloader is updated |
| 19:21.56 | zak_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.57 | datz | poisonbit: ok |
| 19:21.58 | Titan8990 | poisonbit, that guide appears to package the kernel properly |
| 19:21.58 | zak_ | though lsusb showed it , but i can't find amy device in ''select your device '' men |
| 19:22.30 | jelly | lisff32: /msg dpkg xorg config squeeze |
| 19:22.31 | datz | poisonbit: the problem I have is that I am trying to install something that needs the kernel built with the same version of gcc that is installed. |
| 19:22.35 | poisonbit | debian-administration.org use to rocks yes |
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| 19:22.45 | lisff32 | jelly: thanks |
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| 19:23.08 | jelly | lisff32: there's also /msg dpkg drxx, easier to remember |
| 19:23.08 | poisonbit | datz, vmware ? |
| 19:23.12 | datz | yes |
| 19:23.30 | poisonbit | datz, you can have multiple gcc versions and declare GCC var for that things |
| 19:23.44 | poisonbit | you don't need to buuild the whole kernel, only some odules |
| 19:23.51 | datz | poisonbit: ok, I don't know how to do that |
| 19:24.02 | rgr | jelly: do know off hand if things like dual screen and metamode support can work with an empty xorg.conf? |
| 19:24.05 | poisonbit | really you only need the -headers package, not the -source |
| 19:24.13 | datz | ok, well I have rebuilt the whole kernel, so I might as well use it... |
| 19:24.34 | jelly | rgr: I don't |
| 19:25.00 | datz | I have installed it, so so I thought, but the vmware tools still detects a different version of gcc than used to compile the kernel |
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| 19:25.16 | datz | so I don't know what is going on |
| 19:25.18 | poisonbit | datz, i think you are better using the same kernel as hundreds of people, that one custom if you don't need (to avoid "magic" bugs) |
| 19:25.22 | rgr | I knew it was coming (or heard) but need to read up about it. Had a lot of issues with one PC recently with console settings - but that was Lenny and not Squeeze. (German keyboard not being set on Gnome but ok in terminals). |
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| 19:25.54 | datz | poisonbit: humm, ok.. I think I have the same kernel as comes with the install. |
| 19:25.57 | poisonbit | the kernel version should be in /proc/version |
| 19:26.08 | poisonbit | s/the kernel gcc version |
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| 19:26.18 | rgr | aha : "First and foremost is that the xorg.conf is still absolutely necessary to set one's keymap when you're not using the default 'us' map" |
| 19:26.19 | datz | as when I try to install the new kernel, it say there is a previous version of the kernel already installed. |
| 19:26.21 | jelly | rgr: some xrandr 1.2 capable drivers might be able to do their thing. I only have experience with video-intel, and it needed to be told Virtual size in xorg.conf to be usable, until very recently |
| 19:26.30 | lisff32 | jelly: it fails to detect anything even though nvidia is in the list of drivers X looks at |
| 19:26.39 | poisonbit | and your gcc version is in gcc --version |
| 19:26.40 | datz | poisonbit: thanks, checking |
| 19:26.56 | jelly | lisff32: uh... er... /msg dpkg nvidia ? |
| 19:27.07 | hxB5 | Hello all, QQ, i have a old computer with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 processor... for the moment running lenny i386. I'd like to give a try to squeeze, do you think i can go with the AMD64 architecture or should i stick with i386? |
| 19:27.16 | rgr | yeah I use xrandr to select metamodes for xmonad so I can play full screen games occasionally. The nvidia drivers have really come on a lot. Exellent performance and features now. |
| 19:27.31 | lisff32 | jelly: i followed the one-liner |
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| 19:27.55 | remote | I want to use a debian init script on CentOS - is it safe to install dpkg + po4a on another linux distribution to get the start-stop-daemon and lsb init script functions of debian? |
| 19:27.56 | datz | poisonbit: yep, kernel shows a different version, than gcc |
| 19:27.58 | poisonbit | hxB5, thats _old_ ? :) amd64 for sure |
| 19:28.12 | jelly | lisff32: yes, but please do interpret the uh-er part as "jelly has no clue about nvidia at all" |
| 19:28.12 | poisonbit | datz, you can install multiple gcc versions |
| 19:28.16 | lisff32 | jelly: nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.6.31-1-686 nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-kernel-source are installed |
| 19:28.17 | hxB5 | i have this computer for at least 5 years :-) |
| 19:28.19 | lisff32 | jelly: ah, ok :) |
| 19:28.21 | remote | did anyone use this method to port init scripts to other linux distributions? |
| 19:28.22 | hxB5 | still running fine though |
| 19:28.40 | poisonbit | datz and then export the GCC env var or use update-alternatives command |
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| 19:29.01 | datz | poisonbit: humm, ok.. guess I'll have to figure out how to do this |
| 19:29.11 | abrotman | remote: why not just extract the pacakge and use just the init script ? |
| 19:29.12 | datz | hehe, alot of trouble to install vmware tools :) |
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| 19:29.15 | jelly | hxB5: if you have no explicit need of 64bit applications, stick with i386 |
| 19:29.17 | rgr | lisff32: nvidia card? did you rin nvidia-xconfig? |
| 19:29.19 | poisonbit | hxB5, i've a 33mhz@4mb laptop running linux :) |
| 19:29.23 | remote | abrotman: i need start-stop-daemon as well |
| 19:29.28 | poisonbit | _thats_ i386 |
| 19:29.36 | abrotman | remote: you could alter the script to work with whatever system it is |
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| 19:29.47 | remote | i can |
| 19:29.51 | remote | i'm trying not to |
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| 19:30.06 | hxB5 | i certainly do not have specific needs for AMD64... my lenny i386 works fine |
| 19:30.17 | abrotman | remote: ask your distro channel about using alien |
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| 19:30.27 | remote | ok |
| 19:30.29 | hxB5 | Would i run into trouble for going into the 64 bits hype? |
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| 19:30.49 | jelly | YES |
| 19:30.54 | hxB5 | ok |
| 19:30.56 | abrotman | hxB5: you'd have to reinstall at least .. but if you don't have a real need, why bother ? |
| 19:31.01 | jelly | heh heh heh. |
| 19:31.02 | rgr | hxB5: depends who you listen to. In my view yes : no real speed increase, probably more meory usage and a heap of stuff not working. |
| 19:31.19 | rgr | (heap == some common things :-;) |
| 19:31.21 | abrotman | heap of third party binary-only stuff |
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| 19:31.55 | lisff32 | rgr: yes, 8300 onboard. and no, i did not run nvidia-xconfig as that is part of nvidia-config which i _really_ try to avoid |
| 19:32.02 | lisff32 | i have been bitten by that in the past |
| 19:32.12 | hxB5 | Thanks for your help |
| 19:32.43 | LRN | simonrvn, just for the record: i've updated my kernel to 2.6.26 from 2.6.18 and now the printer is registered as /dev/bus/usb (and is affected by udev) instead of /proc/bus/usb (which is not affected by udev) |
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| 19:33.22 | xreal | Who can give me a hint, how to compile boost v1.41 in debian? I don't want it to be an "active" library, I just need it for compilation. |
| 19:33.41 | rgr | lisff32: how did it bite you? Although I have a PCI Express card not onboard. |
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| 19:34.59 | lisff32 | rgr: it just crapped all over my configs and while it worked for basic stuff, dual-screen etc was impossible to do |
| 19:35.23 | abrotman | xreal: 1.41 isn't in debian at all .. how long has it been out? |
| 19:35.45 | xreal | abrotman: years? ;-) |
| 19:35.48 | rgr | configure dual screen using nvidia-settings. works fine here. (squeeze). dual screens with different resolutions and metamodes. |
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| 19:36.01 | abrotman | xreal: no, really ... |
| 19:36.22 | xreal | abrotman: But it's VERY slow. I think, Mapnik is 0.5 at the moment in Debian stabile... |
| 19:36.23 | rgr | only nasty thing is it tends to rewrite the sections and comment out the old leading to a bloated file. |
| 19:36.33 | abrotman | xreal: no, i meant how long has 1.41 been out .. not libboost |
| 19:36.34 | jelly | xreal: I'd suggest doing a backport starting from 1.40 packages + uupdate, but boost packaging looks rather complex |
| 19:36.41 | abrotman | Version 1.41.0 (release notes) |
| 19:36.41 | abrotman | November 17th, 2009 17:00 GMT |
| 19:36.53 | jelly | that's a whole month |
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| 19:37.32 | xreal | springmeyer & artem: Did you fix Ticket #180? I wrote a code for creating parallel lines in 2d some monts ago, but not for mapnik. I think, it's easy to port ... are you interested? |
| 19:37.40 | abrotman | xreal: wrong channel |
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| 19:38.06 | xreal | woops! |
| 19:38.08 | xreal | damn! |
| 19:38.13 | xxtjaxx | Hi I want to use a remote cups not the one installed on this machine which file and package is needed to configure it to use the ipp of a nother machine on the system? |
| 19:38.13 | xreal | sorry |
| 19:38.40 | nsadmin | we recognzed that because there's NO ticket in debian that's under 6 digits... |
| 19:38.41 | xreal | jelly: It only works with 1.41.0, the programmer told me. |
| 19:38.44 | lisff32 | fwiw, this is my X.log.. it does not even try the nvidia module even though it's installed & the kernel module is loaded |
| 19:38.47 | lisff32 | http://pastebin.com/f57f1d728 |
| 19:38.48 | xreal | nsadmin: ;-) |
| 19:39.21 | jelly | lisff32: aaand... when you tell it to use nvidia in xorg.conf? |
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| 19:40.30 | lisff32 | jelly: i will try that in a second, even though this does not make me hold my breath: http://pastebin.com/f199516c8 |
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| 19:41.34 | rgr | youre trying without a driver line I take it? |
| 19:41.47 | xreal | So there is no way to get 1.41 working in Lenny? It would be no problem, if it is unstable. |
| 19:42.22 | nsadmin | you could try building the package source under lenny |
| 19:42.32 | lisff32 | jelly: hmm, works |
| 19:42.42 | nsadmin | then install the resulting package |
| 19:42.49 | lisff32 | i am not 100% happy with the path to this result, but hey :) |
| 19:42.56 | xreal | nsadmin: I hope, I have the knowledge to do this. |
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| 19:44.01 | nsadmin | what package? |
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| 19:45.04 | abrotman | lisff32: did you try "X -configure" to generate an xorg.conf that you can chagne ? |
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| 19:45.20 | lisff32 | abrotman: yes, that's how i made it work |
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| 19:48.00 | `mg | is it safe to hibernate('pm-hibernate') instead of shutting down? |
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| 19:56.29 | lumis | I'm trying to install a third party .deb in Squeeze which requires the python-gnome2-extras package to also be installed. In Squeeze, that package has been replaced by several others, but installing them doesn't satisfy the .deb's dependencies... any suggestions? |
| 19:56.49 | lumis | I've tried using python-gnome2-extras from Lenny, but that required some older libraries which had been superseded in Squeeze |
| 19:56.54 | nsadmin | lumis: look into equivs |
| 19:57.08 | lumis | nsadmin: Yeah I've been told that, but I have no clue where to start |
| 19:57.19 | lumis | e.g. what to search for, how to use it etc. |
| 19:57.33 | nsadmin | it should be documented |
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| 19:58.20 | abrotman | lumis: what software is this ? |
| 19:58.35 | lumis | abrotman: vodafone-mobile-connect |
| 19:58.39 | lumis | via Betavine |
| 19:59.28 | lumis | ugh... problem is I keep finding FAQ pages that say 'just use equivs!' but there's no more detail on commands, configuration etc. |
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| 20:04.26 | Ganang | which compiler for C should i use ?! |
| 20:04.37 | Titan8990 | Ganang, gcc |
| 20:05.09 | nsadmin | Ganang: start by installing build-essential |
| 20:05.26 | Ganang | apt-get install build-essential?! |
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| 20:05.51 | nsadmin | then you'll have gcc, gnu make, binutils and libc6-dev at least |
| 20:05.52 | Titan8990 | Ganang, aptitude install build-essential |
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| 20:05.59 | Ganang | one more stuff, i am using debian for the first time....and before in ubuntu i never needed to put my name in sudoer file....where is this file located?! |
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| 20:06.04 | Titan8990 | Ganang, both commands will work however |
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| 20:06.14 | Ganang | THANKS |
| 20:06.16 | Titan8990 | Ganang, no where until you install sudo |
| 20:06.37 | Titan8990 | Ganang, use `visudo` for configuration |
| 20:06.55 | Ganang | ok, debian is for more profi ones....less stuff , not for a half newbie in linux like me =(! |
| 20:06.59 | nsadmin | do you actually want sudo? |
| 20:07.15 | Ganang | yes, just because i am used to? why nsadmin?! |
| 20:07.45 | Titan8990 | Ganang, not of all of like a security model in which a compromised user's password == compromised root |
| 20:07.59 | Ganang | yeah sure! |
| 20:08.03 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 20:08.03 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference. Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 20:09.57 | Ganang | is there any version of debian for servers?! i mean i dont want GUI , and as far as i remember, the cd already did it for me without asking it, and i could find on the website a version without gui |
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| 20:10.50 | mslzr | Ganang: just use the standard debian install and don't install the 'destkop environment' set |
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| 20:11.17 | joltcan_ | Ganang: what mslzr said |
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| 20:12.52 | Ganang | thanks |
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| 20:16.31 | Ganang | is aptitude install build-essential supposed to remove any previous packages(not the same packages)! the system shows that is removing my mysql server....why?! |
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| 20:18.01 | Titan8990 | Ganang, likely mysql-server was installed as a dependency for another application that is no longer installed |
| 20:18.23 | Ganang | ok thanks! |
| 20:19.16 | Ganang | i am receiving an error 'strncpy' was not declared in this scope while running make! any idea?! |
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| 20:20.37 | AimHere | Have you installed the libc dev headers? |
| 20:21.04 | Ganang | i install build-essential |
| 20:21.04 | AimHere | Libc6-dev |
| 20:21.05 | Ganang | just |
| 20:21.20 | ranix | how does one tell what kernel modules are available for a kernel when one cannot boot that machine? I've pulled the drive and have it mounted over here |
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| 20:22.13 | abrotman | ranix: find /lib/modules/<kernelyouwant>/ ? |
| 20:22.19 | ranix | thx |
| 20:22.28 | AimHere | It's all the .ko files in there |
| 20:22.34 | Ganang | aimhere: libc6-dev is already installed |
| 20:22.43 | abrotman | ranix: not exactly the best way |
| 20:22.44 | abrotman | yay Q&D! |
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| 20:24.01 | Ganang | aimhere: any more ideas? |
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| 20:24.36 | AimHere | Ganang, not really, I'm afraid |
| 20:24.40 | darkschneider | hello. any idea on how to have cal start on monday? like other distros? (not ncal, and no, the -m option on debian cal makes a completely different meaning) |
| 20:25.10 | Ganang | hehe ok! |
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| 20:25.16 | Titan8990 | darkschneider, which calender? |
| 20:25.40 | Titan8990 | oh, `cal` is an application |
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| 20:26.07 | abrotman | darkschneider: `cal -m` starts on monday here |
| 20:26.13 | darkschneider | yeah :) a lovely shell app I use at least twice a week (very useful) |
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| 20:26.27 | cahoot | darkschneider: you mean monday as the leftmost column? |
| 20:26.45 | Titan8990 | darkschneider, I'm not sure I understand whats wrong with -m |
| 20:26.56 | darkschneider | abrotman: mmmm it always did also on all distro i ever used.. now i'm on a debian... and the option is not in the cal manpage for debian, and it wants to follow the user locale.... |
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| 20:27.10 | abrotman | darkschneider: on lenny? i386 ? |
| 20:27.13 | darkschneider | yes, monday at left, like what the -m option does on otehr distros |
| 20:27.20 | darkschneider | lenny amd64 |
| 20:27.25 | Ganang | i dont know i think might be something with the version of gcc |
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| 20:27.27 | abrotman | on lenny i386 |
| 20:27.35 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.35 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.39 | Ganang | i wanted to compile with earlier versions |
| 20:27.49 | abrotman | Ganang: what are you compiling? |
| 20:27.49 | darkschneider | here on lenny amd64 cal has this |
| 20:27.58 | darkschneider | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.58 | darkschneider | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.58 | darkschneider | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.05 | abrotman | darkschneider: to be clear .. we're talking 'man cal' .. right ? |
| 20:28.07 | darkschneider | :/ |
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| 20:28.21 | darkschneider | yeah |
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| 20:28.49 | Ganang | i am compiling a doctorate thesis of a student to see it working! but the student doesnt work anymore with this project since 2006! And the only reasonable reason for this error seems to me as version incompatibility |
| 20:28.54 | Ganang | as i have all the dependecies |
| 20:29.02 | abrotman | darkschneider: dpkg -L `which cal` |
| 20:29.07 | darkschneider | (looking which package cal belongs to to say version of it) |
| 20:29.22 | darkschneider | yeah what i was doing :D |
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| 20:29.38 | abrotman | erm .. dpkg -S $(which cal) |
| 20:29.39 | abrotman | whatever |
| 20:29.41 | cahoot | LC_TIME=it_IT.UTF-8 cal |
| 20:29.41 | LightKnight | dpkg -S? |
| 20:29.42 | dpkg | LightKnight: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:29.46 | LightKnight | :) |
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| 20:30.02 | darkschneider | lol |
| 20:30.21 | abrotman | cahoot: should that really change the text of the man page? |
| 20:30.22 | darkschneider | bsdmainutils |
| 20:30.27 | darkschneider | Version: 8.0.3 |
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| 20:30.38 | abrotman | uh not lenny |
| 20:30.43 | abrotman | judd: versions bsdmainutils |
| 20:30.45 | judd | abrotman: bsdmainutils -- etch: 6.1.6 lenny: 6.1.10 squeeze: 8.0.2 sid: 8.0.3 |
| 20:30.51 | abrotman | yeah .. really *not* lenny |
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| 20:31.10 | darkschneider | arf, me silly! |
| 20:31.18 | darkschneider | this machine got upgraded to squeeze |
| 20:31.30 | darkschneider | arf.. sorry... (i did not upgaded it..) |
| 20:31.37 | darkschneider | anyway the problem poses the same :D |
| 20:31.39 | Ganang | abrotman: can i install an old gcc with old dependencies? |
| 20:31.47 | abrotman | Ganang: why? what are you trying to compile ? |
| 20:31.57 | Ganang | i am trying to compile this |
| 20:32.23 | Ganang | http://issg.cs.duke.edu/pip |
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| 20:32.33 | Ganang | then you'll find pip source! |
| 20:32.43 | Ganang | this is a thesis from a student! |
| 20:32.45 | abrotman | that's from two years ago |
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| 20:32.52 | darkschneider | (i wonder why it's sid.... and not squeeze) anyway, any idea on how to have the nice -m option back so that the calendar is working?? it's very tricky to have a different starting day... if you look a shell and then another you get really messed and pick wrong days... |
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| 20:33.43 | Ganang | yep! |
| 20:33.53 | Titan8990 | Ganang, its unlikely that will still work... its old and requires a kernel patch for an old kernel |
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| 20:34.16 | rgr | Ganang: did you try to install the debian specific binaries? |
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| 20:34.43 | Ganang | rgr: hi no!!! i installed debian on my vmware just to test his system! |
| 20:34.56 | Ganang | could you please provide me some directions? |
| 20:35.35 | rgr | I mean his debian installation .deb files. apt-get install pip |
| 20:36.01 | Ganang | this is broken! |
| 20:36.07 | Ganang | checksum mismatch errors |
| 20:36.14 | hardbop200 | hey all - during the squeeze install it asked me if I wanted to include all drivers in my initrd, or just required ones. well, it missed one ;) is there a way to get it to rebuild with all drivers? |
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| 20:37.52 | abrotman | hardbop200: which one? |
| 20:37.52 | hardbop200 | abrotman: 2.6.30-2-686 |
| 20:37.52 | Ganang | titan8990: the current debian version has which kernel version?! |
| 20:37.52 | abrotman | which driver? |
| 20:37.52 | hardbop200 | abrotman: sorry, ath5k |
| 20:37.53 | rgr | Ganang: those patches wont merge with the current kernel - I am almost 100% sure of that. Its over 3 years old. |
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| 20:38.08 | Titan8990 | Ganang, 2.6.26 |
| 20:38.19 | abrotman | hardbop200: so it put the others in the initramfs ? what if you put ath5k in /etc/modules ? |
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| 20:38.52 | Ganang | well maybe i should install and old debian which matches this project in my wmplayer anyway |
| 20:39.11 | jhutchins_lt | Ganang: What is it you want to end up with? |
| 20:39.41 | hardbop200 | abrotman: well, I probably should have been more specific: wicd doesn't see my wireless, I *assumed* that it was b/c the module wasn't loaded, but that probably wasn't a good assumption |
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| 20:41.55 | Ganang | it is simple, i have to present a paper which describes Pip. Pip is described by the author as a superior tool for discovering perfomance and structural bugs in distributed systems. But the project is not compiling and i think that this could be a gcc version problem (of what i am reading in internet). Basically i installed debian just to compile and run his project ( i know that i could... |
| 20:41.56 | Ganang | ...also try in other system, but i want to minimize incompatibilities when he already did it under debian) |
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| 20:42.25 | i37net | hello. just about to setup my first mail server on lenny vps. need just a few mailboxes for 3 websites. any suggestions? |
| 20:42.33 | Ganang | i have to present it on Friday! |
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| 20:45.17 | Trewas | Ganang: presenting a paper doesn't even require really understanding the subject ;) |
| 20:45.44 | Ganang | trewas: yo definetly but i wanted to give the guys a reason to read something you know! |
| 20:46.05 | Ganang | anyway, i am also curious! |
| 20:46.09 | jhutchins_lt | Ganang: Is pip a viable OS project hosted somewhere, or just a one-off personal thing? |
| 20:46.19 | Ganang | personal thing! |
| 20:46.41 | rgr | lhz: see the link he posted. It was a uni project long gathering dust. |
| 20:46.46 | jhutchins_lt | Great. They didn't even check to see if other projects with that name already existed. |
| 20:46.48 | Ganang | but described in international papers...so the project could have some respect! |
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| 20:47.07 | Ganang | well at least reading the papers...seems nice |
| 20:47.08 | jhutchins_lt | Ganang: Since you've got VM's, I'd install whatever version of Debian the original used and compile on that. |
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| 20:47.27 | jhutchins_lt | Ganang: It's pretty clear that the developer didn't make any effort to make the package useful, distributable, or portable. |
| 20:47.40 | Ganang | and if the evaluation is really what the author says, it has nice results |
| 20:47.40 | Ganang | yeah exactly |
| 20:47.46 | Ganang | now you got to the point ! |
| 20:47.51 | rgr | jhutchins_lt: how can he when he has debian specific patches? |
| 20:48.00 | Ganang | i NEVER used debian until today |
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| 20:48.07 | Ganang | that is why i am asking you guys |
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| 20:48.41 | jhutchins_lt | Yeah, I'd do whatever the original was in a VM. |
| 20:48.42 | jhutchins_lt | Chances are it won't even compile on anything but the original box, but you can try. |
| 20:48.49 | rgr | guys get some perspective : it was a university project. That has neither the time nor the need to make a cross platform OS agnostic distributed application monitoring system :-; |
| 20:48.58 | Ganang | where i can find the debian with kernel version 2.6.13 |
| 20:48.58 | darkschneider | this is sick.... they consider removing the option -m sot that days start on sundays a "fix"... maybe noticing half of the world is not starting weeks on sundays is too much? or is this a dictatorship |
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| 20:49.39 | rgr | Ganang: and then the matching repositories to install required SW of course. |
| 20:50.02 | jhutchins_lt | Ganang: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 20:50.26 | Titan8990 | Ganang, if you are really determined you can download older kernels from kernel.org and compile them yourself (which you need to do anyways to apply the patch) |
| 20:50.45 | Ganang | well thanks guys! |
| 20:50.52 | Ganang | let's see what i can get from this! |
| 20:51.05 | darkschneider | thansk all bye |
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| 20:51.30 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: You like to see good coding practices even on one-off projects. |
| 20:51.59 | rgr | of course. But as I say, this was a uni project. not a commercial app to provide a cross platform cure all solution. |
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| 20:53.06 | ripero | hi |
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| 20:54.49 | jhutchins_lt | Heh. Pip on sourceforge is a recursive link to a web page with a link back to sourceforge. |
| 20:54.53 | Ganang | from the obsolete version i have debian linux 2.2 ? would that be right?! |
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| 20:55.13 | Ganang | i cant see the kernel version |
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| 20:56.18 | Titan8990 | judd, versions linux-image-686 |
| 20:56.19 | judd | Titan8990: linux-image-686 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 sid: 2.6.31+22 |
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| 20:56.28 | Titan8990 | Ganang, you can get .18 with ethc |
| 20:56.30 | Titan8990 | etch |
| 20:56.35 | ripero | any idea of why the default fortran compiler in the packed gmake is f77, when the default debian fortran compiler is gmake? |
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| 20:56.53 | Titan8990 | Ganang, i recommend doing this playing in a virtual machine |
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| 20:57.13 | Ganang | yeah sure i have it anyway in a VM! |
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| 20:58.05 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 20:59.35 | moyix | hey. I need software raid and lvm2 support to mount my root FS (which is in an LVM volume group on a mirrored raid partition), but the initrd generated by default doesn't seem to include any of the necessary stuff, and hence my system is unbootable. how do I go about getting the right utils/modules into the initrd? |
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| 21:00.02 | Titan8990 | moyix, IIRC, only grub2 can do that |
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| 21:00.39 | Titan8990 | moyix, at what point does it fail? error? |
| 21:01.08 | moyix | Titan8990: yes, I'm using grub2. that gets me as far as being able to load the kernel and initrd off the /boot partition (which is also software raid, md0) |
| 21:01.32 | moyix | Titan8990, the failure happens during boot; it times out waiting for the root partition and drops me to the initramfs shell |
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| 21:05.50 | Titan8990 | moyix, what version of debian is this? |
| 21:06.03 | moyix | Titan8990, sid/unstable |
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| 21:07.32 | Titan8990 | moyix, the way that you were describing it I thought it was a production system |
| 21:07.33 | Titan8990 | !sid |
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| 21:07.33 | dpkg | sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. Sid is the destructive kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in; sid is not supported in #debian because sid users should be able to solve their own problems. Sid will never be released. See also <sid faq> <unstable>. |
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| 21:07.47 | Titan8990 | moyix, sid is not really supported. there are mailing lists and there is the BTS |
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| 21:08.05 | moyix | Titan8990, I didn't come here looking for offical support :) just hoping others might be more knowledgeable than I |
| 21:08.42 | Titan8990 | moyix, official support pretty much is community support |
| 21:10.23 | moyix | Titan8990, it's fine if you don't know or want to help--but I don't see anything wrong with asking a question on IRC to see if anyone has an idea of what's going on |
| 21:10.50 | Titan8990 | moyix, yeah, and there isn't. I'm just saying don't hold your breathe on an answer |
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| 21:11.09 | moyix | fair enough :) thanks for your time |
| 21:11.10 | Titan8990 | moyix, your involved in things that stable doesn't have such as grub2 |
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| 21:11.18 | jhutchins_lt | moyix: What we're trying to tell you is that what people here know is mostly stable and some testing. Sid is mostly left to developers. |
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| 21:12.06 | jhutchins_lt | I just saw something suggesting that there are serious problems with grub2 because it's much more dependent on the BIOS to handle the drive access. |
| 21:12.53 | rgr | where did you see that? I have 3 PCs from 3 different eras running it with no probs. |
| 21:13.26 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: Some dev list. Not saying it doesn't work mostly for most people, but that as it gains wider use more problems are being found. |
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| 21:13.55 | jhutchins_lt | rgr: Are you running sid? |
| 21:14.36 | rgr | nothign new there then. more users == more QA. No. Squeeze. (and stable). |
| 21:16.08 | rgr | although a quick google shows people were booting with root on lvm/raid back in 2004. |
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| 21:16.54 | jhutchins_lt | There's a general difficulty evolving with ATA and SATA and RAID all making problems with drive numbering - UUID is one attempt to fix it, but grub doesn't do UUID. |
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| 21:18.08 | rgr | Why would you want UUIDs in rgub? Boot from external USB I suppose? |
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| 21:20.45 | Titan8990 | rgr, yes, but not /boot |
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| 21:25.24 | rgr | http://jim.studt.net/depository/index.php/debian-lenny-and-grub-with-boot-in-lvm |
| 21:25.55 | rgr | I wish to hell I had installed LVM on my thinkpad :-( |
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| 21:28.25 | xreal | How can I change the search-path of boost? I want to "hide" my current boost installation. |
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| 21:31.43 | Kaatje | i finally have had some sleep so i am ready to try this again. I am looking for a way to use a debian box as a vpn BRIDGE so that the eth0 connects to my isp, then attaches to the vpn server via pptp or openvpn, i could careless and then once the tunnel is established, eth1 would act as a bridge and let me assign my static vpn address to the wan interface of my wireless router via crossover cable |
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| 21:32.14 | BlackFate | when i thunar ~/.gvfs thunar takes me back to home dir.. i cant access .gvfs from thunar in any way. any ideas? |
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| 21:43.14 | Kaatje | i finally have had some sleep so i am ready to try this again. I am looking for a way to use a debian box as a vpn BRIDGE so that the eth0 connects to my isp, then attaches to the vpn server via pptp or openvpn, i could careless and then once the tunnel is established, eth1 would act as a bridge and let me assign my static vpn address to the wan interface of my wireless router via crossover cable |
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| 21:44.06 | kleanchap | I plan to install Debian on my laptop. It has been many years since I dealt with Debian. Does the current Debian update require the user to compile the kernel or does the aptget take care of that? |
| 21:44.18 | magyar_ | what is the diff in bonding and bridging ? |
| 21:44.21 | Titan8990 | kleanchap, the package manager handles it |
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| 21:44.48 | Titan8990 | kleanchap, gentoo is the only distro that I know that still requires that you manually compile a kernel |
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| 21:45.12 | Titan8990 | !tell kleanchap about install guide |
| 21:45.15 | midoubleko | I'm having a lot of problems setting up my M Audio soundcard on my PowerPC Debian Lenny box I posted this to debian help but have yet to get a reply: http://www.debianhelp.org/node/16119 anyone care to help out this poor debian noob |
| 21:45.18 | kleanchap | Titan8990, Thnx. |
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| 21:45.38 | xreal | How can I change the search-path of boost? I want to "hide" my current boost installation. |
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| 21:48.02 | kleanchap | Titan8990, Does the SELinux component gets installed too? |
| 21:48.04 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, you will probably have better luck in #openvpn than in #gentoo or here |
| 21:49.35 | DustyDingo | hm, are the nvidia drivers working in testing atm? |
| 21:49.39 | Titan8990 | wth? the selinux documentation on wiki only covers testing and unstable? what kind of crap is that? |
| 21:49.44 | DustyDingo | they didn't the last time when i checked,.... |
| 21:49.49 | `mg | is it safe to hibernate('pm-hibernate') instead of shutting down? |
| 21:50.02 | Titan8990 | kleanchap, yep, the debian kernels are patched for selinux |
| 21:50.19 | DustyDingo | .oO( i would really love to see a status of that somewhere ) |
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| 21:50.42 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: It should be a fairly obcious option in the openvpn conf - somebody posted the parameter earlier. That and set the gateway to the remote network to be the linux box. |
| 21:50.55 | DustyDingo | at least there are only modules for 2.6.26 |
| 21:50.59 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: On clients: route add -net 4.4.4.2/30 gw <IP of Debian box> |
| 21:51.03 | DustyDingo | anyone? |
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| 21:51.41 | Titan8990 | DustyDingo, check the BTS |
| 21:51.49 | DustyDingo | bts? |
| 21:51.53 | Titan8990 | !bts |
| 21:51.53 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 21:52.10 | DustyDingo | k |
| 21:52.14 | Titan8990 | dustybin, the modules can be built using m-a, as described in the nvidia documentation |
| 21:52.17 | Titan8990 | !nvidia |
| 21:52.17 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 21:52.29 | Titan8990 | DustyDingo, but thats not saying that the drivers work, not sure on that |
| 21:53.08 | Kaatje | jhutchins, what part of i am not setting manual routes on all of the machines did you not get this morning? |
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| 21:53.34 | Kaatje | i plan to use my airport extreme as my internal router as i have been |
| 21:53.39 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: The part where I though you wanted to solve the problem. |
| 21:54.00 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, the openvpn connection will add routes if your configuration is correct |
| 21:54.05 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: You can provide it as a parameter in the airport's dhcp config, but if you won't do what it takes, we can't help you. |
| 21:54.24 | DustyDingo | it didn't one month ago |
| 21:54.28 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, the VPN router, should also be your network gateway if you don't want machines inside the lan to manually route the traffic |
| 21:54.46 | DustyDingo | and it won't if the package hasn't updated |
| 21:54.47 | Kaatje | i should only have to add xx.xx.xx.2/24 to my wan with a gateway of xx.xx.xx.1 |
| 21:54.56 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, or you can send traffic from the network gateway to the VPN server when destined for a VPN address, however it is inefficient |
| 21:54.58 | DustyDingo | no one is running nvidia drivers in testing here? |
| 21:55.04 | Kaatje | and the vpn bridge works out the rest |
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| 21:55.48 | Kaatje | i mean /30 not /24 |
| 21:56.22 | Kaatje | the vpn box should be transparent to the rest of the network |
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| 21:57.40 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, it should be your network gateway IMO |
| 21:57.52 | Flimm | I have entries for both unstable and experimental in /etc/apt/sources.list. Should I delete the lines for unstable? |
| 21:58.04 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, otherwise your going to get a lot of these: From 10.10.10.230: icmp_seq=1 Redirect Host(New nexthop: 10.10.10.242) |
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| 21:58.40 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, in that case 10.10.10.230 is the network gateway and 10.10.10.242 is the VPN gateway |
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| 21:58.54 | Titan8990 | Kaatje, who in turn will have to send its tunneled traffic back to 10.10.10.230 |
| 21:58.56 | ctmjr | DustyDingo: have a box running sid with nvidia beta driver's so far so good just minor issue's |
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| 22:09.12 | DustyDingo | ctmjr: cool |
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| 22:11.23 | kleanchap | I want install Debian from a DVD but I find that there are 6 DVDs. 8-| Do I need all the DVDs? |
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| 22:11.34 | AimHere | Only the first |
| 22:11.54 | AimHere | That'll give you a perfectly good OS, and then some |
| 22:12.07 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 22:12.07 | dpkg | hmm... netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ See also <check iso image>, <dialup install>, <usb install>, <pppoe install>, <netboot>, <bf>, <installer>. |
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| 22:14.18 | kleanchap | About X windows, I want to install LXDE. Will the installation program give me the option for LXDE. |
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| 22:14.42 | kleanchap | This installation is on a EEPC, with limited memory. |
| 22:14.43 | abrotman | kleanchap: you can do it afterwards with something like `aptitude install lxde xorg gdm` |
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| 22:16.57 | remote | how can I install python2.6 in lenny using apt-get? |
| 22:17.17 | abrotman | you don't |
| 22:17.26 | abrotman | it's not even in unstable yet |
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| 22:18.04 | DustyDingo | hopes that there will be soon a python3 |
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| 22:18.17 | craigevi1 | kleanchap: why not just use debianeeepc installer and install from a usb drive? much less to download that way |
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| 22:18.50 | remote | i'll just find the module i want for 2.5 i guess |
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| 22:19.12 | kleanchap | craigevi1, Thnx. now I need to find that installer at the Debian site. |
| 22:19.39 | craigevi1 | kleanchap: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC/HowTo/Install |
| 22:19.39 | abrotman | !eeepc |
| 22:19.39 | dpkg | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian, join #eeepc on irc.freenode.net for support. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. See also <atl2>, <atl1e>, <rt2860 eee>, <atl1c>. Mailing list: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 22:21.29 | remote | DustyDingo: ubuntu should have python 6 by now |
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| 22:25.25 | roue | hola |
| 22:26.53 | roue | I'm running the latest Lenny release and for some reason ssh-agent is not being started when I log in. I'm using GDM and the FVWM window manager. I see /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90x11-common_ssh-agent, but it doesn't appear to be getting the agent going. I do have an .xsessionrc file in my home directory to start a terminal and a few odds and ends. Any hints? thanks. |
| 22:27.13 | matt7676 | I bough a net Dell Latitude 6400 with Windows Vista preinstalled(has a Vista sticker on it). However, I have not even started the computer. Just took it out of the box. Am I able to sell this Vista license back? Is it possible? |
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| 22:27.29 | roue | matt7676 you can try. |
| 22:27.39 | roue | contact Dell and see if they'll reclaim the license. |
| 22:28.43 | matt7676 | roue: but have you heard somebody accomplish this? I remember a case in Australia, but I'm not able to find anything.. |
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| 22:29.10 | roue | matt7676 no specific instance you can cite, but no matter what you're going to be on the phone with them for a long time. |
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| 22:30.06 | matt7676 | roue: probably yes :D |
| 22:30.20 | matt7676 | roue: http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/59381 |
| 22:31.36 | matt7676 | Windows-tax :D |
| 22:32.31 | midoubleko | my soundcard is just spitting out white noise when ever I play a music or video file any suggestions as to the cause |
| 22:32.41 | ctmjr | matt7676: i am sure the answer you get is you did not purchase the os you purchased the computer the os was installed so you could use it if you want we will unistall it for you |
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| 22:35.14 | matt7676 | ctmjr: However, looks like this guy, who bought a Dell laptop as well, got some kind of refund: http://www.linux.com/archive/articles/59381 |
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| 22:44.45 | ctmjr | matt7676: that is pretty interesting it looks like you will need a lot of patience to deal with them |
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| 22:45.25 | alsd | hi there |
| 22:45.58 | fatalerrors | i have a problem creating a nfs server |
| 22:46.30 | alsd | is it possible to tell the debian installer (lenny version) not to probe the floppy disk? my crappy laptop bios here wrongly reports presence of a floppy disk drive, which takes ages when probing disks before failing |
| 22:46.59 | fatalerrors | i alwais have access denied when trying to go in the mounted nfs dir |
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| 22:47.15 | alsd | it can't be disabled in bios, either (it's a dell) |
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| 22:47.43 | fatalerrors | someone knows something about the possible causes? |
| 22:47.59 | alsd | fatalerrors: check permissions. unless otherwise specified, root on a nfs mount is like being user nobody on the server |
| 22:48.04 | rideh | Was there a change? apt-get install for a lamp stack installs everything as user root instead of www-data ? |
| 22:48.17 | centHOGG | fatalerrors: also if its hw... maybe your cmos battery is too old |
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| 22:48.36 | rideh | if apache and php are running as root why would they have issues with write access? somethign seems wrong |
| 22:48.59 | markybob | ...because..it doesnt run as root |
| 22:49.03 | markybob | apache runs as www-data |
| 22:49.08 | rideh | not on my system |
| 22:49.12 | rideh | there is no www-data user or gorup |
| 22:49.14 | BallsOfSteel | or am i ran icecast, apache and sendmail |
| 22:49.18 | BallsOfSteel | it doesnt it ? |
| 22:49.19 | alsd | fatalerrors: also check, as a regular user, that you have proper access rights |
| 22:49.26 | BallsOfSteel | apache runs as www-data |
| 22:49.37 | fatalerrors | centHOGG: no problem with cmos and i've tried as normal user |
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| 22:50.17 | fatalerrors | alsd: access rights are 666 on all the files and 777 on all the dirs |
| 22:50.25 | fatalerrors | of what i share |
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| 22:51.20 | alsd | fatalerrors: what does 'ls -ld <mount point>' say? |
| 22:51.37 | centHOGG | fatalerrors: have you tried a bootdisk to verify it is hw prob? |
| 22:52.01 | fatalerrors | alsd: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 déc. 16 20:25 datas/ |
| 22:52.41 | fatalerrors | centHOGG: tried to mount it on two different computers with different distro but same problem |
| 22:52.53 | fatalerrors | i suppose it comes from the server |
| 22:53.38 | centHOGG | idk... i'm really a desktop person |
| 22:53.44 | alsd | fatalerrors: can you 'ls' within that directory, client side? |
| 22:53.45 | BallsOfSteel | fatalerrors: have you can't. |
| 22:53.46 | centHOGG | <laptop broken |
| 22:54.07 | fatalerrors | alsd: no i have permission denied |
| 22:54.20 | rideh | how do i filter top to show www-data? |
| 22:54.33 | markybob | rideh, just ps aux |grep www-data |
| 22:54.39 | rideh | oh well that works |
| 22:54.41 | rideh | thanks |
| 22:55.28 | fatalerrors | alsd: when it's not mounted i can go in that directory |
| 22:55.38 | fatalerrors | it's empty of course |
| 22:55.39 | BallsOfSteel | after install, slack needs mysql_init_db to be run, to create empty database files |
| 22:55.54 | alsd | fatalerrors: cos requests with uid root are translated as requests from user nobody on the server, which means root has even less rights on the client than a regular user, IIRC |
| 22:56.25 | fatalerrors | alsd: i have the same problem as a normal user |
| 22:56.50 | fatalerrors | alsd: i supose i misunderstood something about user id |
| 22:56.58 | alsd | fatalerrors: so do I ;) |
| 22:57.19 | fatalerrors | but i'm not sure how to proceed |
| 22:57.19 | BallsOfSteel | so proceed to sha256sum -c *-checksum right |
| 22:57.45 | fatalerrors | BallsOfSteel: client or server side?# |
| 22:57.45 | BallsOfSteel | ballsofsteel: i am using rsa key id 57bbccba |
| 22:58.03 | fatalerrors | BallsOfSteel: sorry not for me ;) |
| 22:58.21 | BallsOfSteel | sorry |
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| 22:59.54 | alsd | fatalerrors: see in 'man 5 exports', search for "root_squash" it's all explained. setting up NFS permissions right is a PITA, as usual. i never manage to get it right first at too ;) |
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| 23:00.48 | alsd | at first* even |
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| 23:12.49 | Kuprin | hey debian experts, two things: 1) is there a published howto for getting remotely up to date Nvidia drivers on Lenny? 2) Every bootup I have to run 'alsactl restore' on bootup because it does not properly execute out of my rc.local. Any idea why? System is freshly installed. |
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| 23:15.33 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: tell kuprin about nvidia |
| 23:15.52 | jhutchins_lt | Kuprin: http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA |
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| 23:17.20 | robd | Hey guys |
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| 23:17.34 | robd | I had to do an etchnhalf install, but upon boot it looks like LVM isn't being started by default |
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| 23:17.46 | robd | How would I go about re-creating an initrd so that lvm is started on boot? |
| 23:18.20 | robd | As of now it'll drop me into a busybox shell and I need to do "lvm vgchange -ay" and then I can exit out and the rest just works... |
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| 23:22.46 | BOWLHEN | anyone ehre? |
| 23:22.46 | robd | Hey guys |
| 23:22.46 | BOWLHEN | anyone here? |
| 23:22.46 | jhutchins_lt | 904 lurkers. |
| 23:22.46 | robd | Would anyone here know much about LVM on etchnhalf? |
| 23:22.46 | jhutchins_lt | robd: Be patient. |
| 23:22.46 | jhutchins_lt | robd: You're in the transitional time for USA Eastern & Central timezones, bed time for western europe. |
| 23:22.46 | robd | jhutchins: oh, okay |
| 23:22.46 | jhutchins_lt | robd: Do you really need lvm? |
| 23:22.46 | BOWLHEN | should i install debian on 512 mb ram machine? |
| 23:22.46 | robd | jhutchins_lt: yeah, requirement by a client |
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| 23:22.47 | zomGreg | BOWLHEN: sure it'll work |
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| 23:22.49 | jhutchins_lt | robd: I've always avoided it. |
| 23:23.03 | jhutchins_lt | BOWLHEN: You might want to look at puppy or dsl though. |
| 23:23.07 | robd | jhutchins_lt: I've had great luck before, but this is kind of a weird one w/ Etch userland with the Lenny kernel |
| 23:23.34 | robd | jhutchins_lt: Just gotta get lvm to do a vgchange -ay before trying to mount the local FS |
| 23:23.35 | BOWLHEN | Im using puppy now, i just wanna know if i can use a bigger, more advanced system instead? |
| 23:23.36 | jhutchins_lt | robd: I take it etch is also a client requirement? |
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| 23:24.08 | jhutchins_lt | BOWLHEN: Well, you're not gonna get compiz. |
| 23:24.20 | BOWLHEN | yeah, thats fine |
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| 23:24.58 | robd | jhutchins_lt: yep |
| 23:25.00 | jhutchins_lt | BOWLHEN: Debian is notoriously customizable, you should be able to get something that works - but it's still gonna look a lot more like puppy. |
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| 23:25.22 | BOWLHEN | hmm, okay |
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| 23:26.15 | jhutchins_lt | robd: http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm <- 1st of 586K hits for "etch lvm" |
| 23:26.57 | craigevi1 | 512mb ram is plenty, gnome/kde3.5/xfce/lxde all will run just fine with that |
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| 23:27.12 | robd | jhutchins_lt: danke, I'll give that a read through |
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| 23:27.20 | Rena | ! |
| 23:27.31 | jhutchins_lt | craigevi1: Ok, good to know. Do you have to be careful to avoid swap storms? |
| 23:27.39 | Kaatje | well ##openvpn turned out to be a total waste of time |
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| 23:27.56 | jhutchins_lt | Kaatje: Really, did they tell you the same thing we did? |
| 23:28.06 | rgr | 512k is not anywhere near enough for Gnome in my opinion. Its far too little in this day and age. |
| 23:28.18 | Kaatje | no, the one perwson said read or pay us to do it for you |
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| 23:28.47 | rgr | I used to have that on thinkpad and even with xmonad as the WM it was slow as heel until I upgraded to a gig. |
| 23:29.14 | craigevi1 | jhutchins_lt: havent seen my swap touched in forever, using lxde Processes 108 Uptime 1 day Memory 213.5/493.5MB Client, thats with evince, lxterminal+irssi+shell-fm and firefox with 8 tabs |
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| 23:33.13 | rgr | I've just been rading about the IP Tables tarpit. That would be really cool for my debian mail & web server. Anyone here tried to install a version on Debian? |
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| 23:48.53 | midoubleko | sound card is producing white noise on audio playback, any ideas on a fix I have run alsaconf several times. Running Lenny on a PowerPC with a M-Audio Audiophile 2496 sound card |
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| 23:53.28 | owen1 | i try to umount a device and it tells me it's busy. how to find why is it busy? |
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| 23:54.19 | dondelelcaro | owen1: fuser or lsof |
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| 23:55.26 | owen1 | dondelelcaro: ok. what exactly is the command? |
| 23:55.34 | owen1 | lsof gives me a lot of stuff |
| 23:55.47 | markybob | owen1, :-) you should begin with man lsof |
| 23:55.48 | Seth_Hikaru | I'm having trouble getting a stream on my tv tuner card. I just had it working a little bit ago. |
| 23:55.52 | owen1 | and fuser -m /dev ... and then what? |
| 23:55.55 | owen1 | markybob: ok |
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| 23:56.41 | Seth_Hikaru | Running a Hapauge PVR-150 |
| 23:58.14 | Seth_Hikaru | Any help please? |
| 23:58.28 | Kaatje | decided to stick with pptp |
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| 23:58.52 | Kaatje | since it works with my iphone as well |
