IRC log for #debian on 20091217

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00:04.19dassoukiI'm facing this problem with ubuntu, but no one seems to be able to help me on #ubuntu or on #linux, so you guys might be better help
00:04.37markybob!ubuntu
00:04.37dpkgUbuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>).  Only Debian is supported on #debian.  Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead.  Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian.  See also <based on debian>.
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00:05.05dassoukiok whatever
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00:12.09Seth_HikaruMy Tuner card is not working.
00:12.20Seth_HikaruI have a Hapauge PVR-150.
00:12.35Seth_HikaruIt was getting a signal a little bit ago but now it refuses too
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00:14.32rgrwhen you say it was getting a signal you mean something like kaffeine recognised it and displayed a picture indicting the driver is correctly loaded?
00:15.19rgrdassouki: msg me. It might be the same issue on debian.
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00:19.01Seth_Hikarurgr!
00:19.06Seth_HikaruI'm using vlc.
00:19.36Seth_HikaruI got a really fuzzy black and white picture.
00:19.45Seth_HikaruNow it wont even display.
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00:23.29Kaatjewhere do i add repo settings in the current debian?
00:23.36rgrdoes lspci see it?
00:23.49rgrKaatje: what do you mean repo settings?
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00:24.18Kaatjethis guide is telling me to add "deb http://quozl.netrek.org/pptp/pptpconfig ./"
00:24.34macrobatKaatje: /etc/apt/sources.list might be what you want
00:24.49Kaatjeahh thanks
00:25.18rgr/etc/apt/sources.list or, if you didnt know that, you might be better off using system/admin/synaptic. Your choice. And described about a million times in google :-;
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00:26.34Kaatjei do not have the workstation version installed just the basic os
00:26.54rgryou mean no gui? fair enough.
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00:27.00metalfan_hi
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00:27.05Kaatjeis there a quick way to do this? it is underpowered for a server, but plenty for  router
00:27.12metalfan_is there a way to get rid of all packages that mono depends on?
00:27.15rgrquick way to do wat?
00:28.02Kaatjeadd the gui
00:28.11Kaatjeit is a p3 with 256mb ram
00:28.17Kaatjefine for a router
00:28.51rvallesKaatje: waste of electricity tho
00:28.52rgrwhy would you want the gui for a router? You can always use X forwarding btw when you ssh in from antoher machine if youlike.
00:29.05rgr(just FYI)
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00:29.44rgrI would buy a 60 euro dedicated piece of HW to be honest to works as a router :-; As rvalles said.
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00:30.52alphawavergr: agreed, hardware is too affordable these days to run something that old.
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00:31.09Kaatjei am in a pinch and need this running today
00:31.15rgrits nice as an experiment. but the hassles. yuck.
00:31.18Kaatjeno time to order hardware
00:31.25Kaatjei can upgrade later
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00:31.49rgrno computer shops? :-; Anyway did you edit your sources.list ok?
00:32.32Kaatjeyes i edit atp/sources.list
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00:32.37Kaatjeapt
00:33.09rgrright then do your usual command line aptitude update and install as you will find in any amount of google hits and you should be ready to go.
00:33.22Kaatjenothing close, i live on an island, would have to take ferry to seattle to get to a store
00:33.36rgrlol! And you have broadband? :-;
00:33.48Kaatjeyes sure do
00:33.48oh-heyanyone here from bainbridge island?
00:33.51Kaatjei am
00:33.57oh-heynice man, me too!!
00:33.58\amethystrgr:  bits are easier to transport than people :)
00:34.03Kaatjei am not a man
00:34.13alphawavekaatje: Now that's cool, I've always appreciated the Seattle area.
00:34.18oh-heyim a man
00:34.19rgrtry telling that to British telecom! Glad I'm not in rural England now!
00:34.30Kaatjewhat part of the island?
00:34.47oh-heynorth end
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00:35.00alphawaveman.. meets woman.
00:35.08oh-heyyou and i should hook up some time :)
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00:35.35rgrYou can compare routers.
00:35.40Kaatjei am by rolling ray
00:35.43Kaatjebay
00:35.52Kaatjeoff of sunrise
00:36.12Kaatjei am married
00:36.22oh-heynice!!! i have a buddy who lives on madison ave
00:36.23miguel000i just found out, that i have 8 independent  sound channels, (at least when i set OSS in puredata). can i just somehow route the outputs 1 and 2 TO 3 and 4 instead
00:36.30miguel000so i have ALTERNATIVE speakers
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00:36.38Kaatjei'm on ne puget bluff
00:36.58Kaatjefor a couple more weeks
00:37.29oh-heyyou moving? :(
00:37.32Kaatje=jup!
00:37.53oh-heyto where? im sad :(
00:38.42KaatjeAppololaan 191 Amsterdam, Noord-Holland 1077 AW, NH NL
00:38.56alphawavenice upgrade.
00:39.02Kaatjevery
00:39.10alphawaveDe Dampkring is calling to me now...
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00:39.21Kaatjetime to go home
00:39.28alphawaveRight on. Cheers to that.
00:39.35Kaatjebeen in the US far too long
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00:39.39alphawaveYears?
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00:39.48Kaatjemost of my life
00:39.54alphawaveWow, that should be a nice change.
00:40.12Kaatjewe went there in sept for a month
00:40.29Kaatjefound an apartmnt to buy, etc
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00:41.12Kaatjebig price change though from BBI lol
00:41.29alphawavetaxes are about 50% there.
00:41.35alphawavebut the quality of life is very high.
00:41.35Kaatjesame size house on BBI just sold for 748K
00:42.03markybobumm...so...to point out the obvious....off topic
00:42.13Kaatjethe place we buy there is 1.4M
00:42.36alphawaveright. I digress, but it's a nice change for her.
00:42.54Kaatjesorry
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00:43.31oh-heyKaatje, that sucks
00:43.36oh-heysorry to hear you have to move to europe
00:43.37Kaatjewhat sucks?
00:43.46Kaatjei do not have to move, i want to move
00:43.50Kaatjei am sick of here
00:43.52oh-heyah, thats too bad
00:44.01oh-heyeurope is as lame as it gets
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00:44.16Kaatjeseattle much more lame than amsterdam
00:44.33oh-heyhaha, how so? maybe if youre a hippie
00:44.38alphawaveI guess markybob was trying to say move to #debian-offtopic
00:45.02Kaatjeoh-hey for starters the whole same-sex marriage thing
00:45.07Kaatjethere is legal
00:45.15Kaatjehere is a huge battle
00:45.23rgrmarkybob: spends a lot of time telling people what to do.
00:45.29oh-heyah, so youre gay? go figure
00:45.42Kaatjeso is my daughter
00:45.47Kaatjego figure again right?
00:45.52oh-heyof course
00:46.03Kaatjei guess you are anti
00:46.23rgrWell, no place better than Holland for people of alternative persuasions :-;
00:46.23oh-heynah, i just think thats a retarded reason to move to europe
00:46.46oh-heybut hey, if your universe revolves around gay marriage, so be it. good luck to you
00:46.57Kaatjeok, i like to think that the good people of our region live on bbi
00:47.07Kaatjeand the asshats live on mercer and such
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00:47.36oh-heyonly fat younger women call it bbi. are you fat? :(
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00:47.57Kaatjei am 130lb, 5'8
00:48.00Kaatjehardly fat
00:48.05robbe-Hello, anyone know why I can't find a pthread_create manpage on debian? dpkg -S pthread_create didn't show any results.
00:48.20rgrits back to the Loch with you Nessie ...
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00:48.42robbe-(I'm running squeeze)
00:48.56markybobrobbe-, manpages-posix-dev
00:49.07rgrsearch for posix manpages.
00:49.49robbe-markybob: Ah, great. Thank you very much. :-)
00:50.12Kaatjeoh-hey, so do you own your home or live at home with parents
00:50.35oh-heyi own my own home along with my non-gay non-fat wife
00:50.44oh-heywe're a happy heterosexual couple
00:50.49oh-heywith a non-gay dog
00:50.51Kaatjenothing wrong with that
00:51.20rgrnow maybe markybob had a point. No one wants to hear the details of your gayness thanks very much.
00:51.44oh-heyi agree rgr, let's keep the gayness out of #debian
00:51.55alphawavepoints oh-hey and Kaatje politely towards #debian-offtopic for the social fun..
00:51.57Kaatjeagreeed
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00:52.23Kaatjeespecially since there are gay-haters in here
00:52.24Hydroxideasks everyone to stop making jokes about sexual orientation please...
00:52.30Hydroxide(in this channel)
00:52.30rgrBUt as a last note Kaatje , oh-hey sounds a little curious. Maybe you can hook him up :-;
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00:53.16oh-heyhave a parade about it, Kaatje
00:53.27zjblabshello all
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00:53.44Kaatjeman bainbridge island has gone to shit afterall
00:54.15Kaatjeyou might fit in better on the east side of the cascades
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00:54.43jpinx-eeepcKaatje: pack it in
00:55.03Hydroxidewarns Kaatje, oh-hey, and rgr to please take the sexual orientation talk out of this channel. I will use +q if you continue that
00:55.31oh-heyKaatje, please keep this discussion in #debian-offtopic
00:55.38Kaatjei'm happy to drop it
00:55.59Kaatjehe call me fat one more time and i will hunt his ass down though
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00:57.53Kaatjeso i am getting an error trying to install this package
00:58.04Kaatjepptpconfig: Depends: php-gtk-pcntl (>= 1.0.0) but it is not going to be installed
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01:01.46TrueDDGnight to all
01:02.15zjblabsgoodnight TrueDD
01:02.26TrueDDgnite zjblabs
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01:04.41jpinx-eeepcwhen I run alsamixer I get "function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory" - Anyone know how to fx it?
01:04.42mrpython__Exception in thread Thread-1:
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01:05.04markybobmrpython__, dude...this is #debian.  not #windows or #python
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01:10.14miguel000MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: demux_open
01:10.15miguel000- MPlayer crashed by bad usage of CPU/FPU/RAM.
01:10.20miguel000what can this be`
01:10.29miguel000?
01:10.30miguel000alwasys worked
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01:33.27hikenbootgreetings! i have been looking around to see if there is ext3 compression available or linux lvm volume compression. I find reference to one which is not yet stable can anyone suggest if its possible to do volume compression?
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01:36.44heoaany one know where to get Xfwp? cannot find it from apt-cache or aptitude
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01:37.24Tramphikenboot: out of curiosity: all data taking up a lot of space is usually in a compressed format (except maybe databases, where performance is usually a concern). So what space-intensive data benefits from compression?
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01:38.11joeytwiddleheoa: usually this would say
01:38.13joeytwiddlehttp://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=Xfwp
01:38.19joeytwiddlebut it's saying "not found"
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01:38.27rgrhikenboot: I would be interested to hear your reasoning for compressing lvm.
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01:39.52hikenbootrgr...sorry for the miss quote want to compress a logical volume based on lvm
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01:42.54heoajoeytwiddle: does it mean that the x-manuals are old, or why is it mentioned there if it is not available?
01:43.01rgrwhy not compress them individually? Or are you mounting htem regularly from the LVM?
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01:43.13xlotluTramp: compression makes sense the slower the storage device, and the faster the cpu
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01:43.49Trampxlotlu: I agree completely. Just unsure for which data
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01:44.09Trampbut as he said - ISO images make somewhat sense.
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01:45.28\amethystif the ISO consists mostly of compressed data (e.g. a squashfs, or most installers) it won't help much
01:45.29oh_noes1is there a https file share util for gnu/linux/deb?   Where users can login with and uploads files etc
01:46.07joeytwiddlei'm afraid i don't know what it is
01:46.07joeytwiddleare you reading XFree86 manuals, instead of xorg manuals?
01:46.43hikenbootrgr ideally I would like to compress and also encrypt the volume I am storing them on but would settle for compression.
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01:48.26hikenbootok I will scrap the idea then...thanks
01:48.32joeytwiddleoh_noes1: are you talking about uploading updates to free software, or sharing files in general?
01:48.41rgrhikenboot: I only asked out of curiosity because at 60 dollars for a terabyte or whatever it is, compression adds unnecessary CPU load and is more error prone in case of failure IMO. I could be wrong.
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01:49.55hikenbootrgr you are probably right... I have an 80 gig hard drive I would like to store 189 gig of ISO files on if nothing less than temporarily while i reformat my raid partition
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01:50.26xlotluTramp: not really, no. iso images are usually either software installers, and you'd epect those to be already compressed, or video dvds, and those are already "compressed" as well
01:51.00Trampit depends. that why I said  "somewhat".
01:51.19xlotluhikenboot: ISOs of what? if they're dvds i doubt you'd even reach 10% compression
01:51.27\amethystoh_noes1:  I haven't tried it, but egroupware-filemanager looks relevant
01:51.55hikenbootok thanks xlotlu, I guess there is no way i can fit them on their, their video files...various formats
01:52.59hikenbootI will just have to break down and buy a larger hard drive
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01:56.01hikenbootgood night all and thanks
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02:04.45rgroh no. my thnkpad has started locking up again when left idle for a while.
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02:11.09heoaHow does the keysym in Xmodmap work?
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02:12.21heoaI try to understand why I need it right to get CTRL_L mapped to Caps-lock
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02:12.43amphiyou want capslock to be control_l?
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02:15.14heoaamphi: yes done it earlier, but wanna understand the code so I can remember it
02:15.19amphiheoa: man xmodmap provides an example of how to swap them
02:16.16heoaamphi: yes, but I am looking to disable Caps_lock alltogether replaced by Ctrl_L
02:16.29k-tand xbindkeys would make that even easier.
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02:16.38oh_noes1and make it use the server from ntp.conf?
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02:18.01adbuse > apt-get install ntp
02:18.20amphiheoa: that's easy enough with xmodmap; xmodmap -e 'remove Lock = Caps_Lock' && xmodmap -e 'add control = Caps_Lock'
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02:24.37heoaamphi: xmodmap -e "add Lock = Control_L"    Why does Control_L work like Caps_Lock? I thought it mean:  the key ^ points to the Lock.
02:24.53heoaerr does not work
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02:27.17heoaamphi: Thank you, have to think it and test it.
02:27.30amphiheoa: I think you are confusing the keysym Control_L and the modifier control
02:27.50ridehi know this may be frowned upon but whats the current compiz fusion optimal choice? whatever happened with all of that
02:28.21amphimodifiers can be applied to any keysym; you don't need to change the keysym of your capslock key to make it behave as a Control key
02:28.39heoaamphi: what is the difference?
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02:30.36newsensei have a sata hdd and wanted to know what is recommended, sata or ahci mode ?
02:31.04amphiheoa: read xmodmap and play with xmodmap, and it will become clear
02:31.27ridehis beryl preferred or?
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02:36.17newsenseis there any difference in performance between ahci or sata mode ?
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02:39.13ntiyhi guys. I am trying to install debian onto toshiba laptop. it first starts -- I see a bunch of messages. and than computer just hangs with no signs of life. black screen. same shit with ubuntu cd's
02:39.26ntiycan anyone give a hint on that issue?
02:40.03nsadminntiy make sure ram/processor/mobo/video is all ok, by running a ram checker (like memtest86)
02:40.39ridehthanks nsadmin
02:40.51nsadminnext, what processor? what arch install cd?
02:41.03ntiyI am using netinstall cd
02:41.14nsadminwhat arch?
02:41.24ntiyx86
02:41.38nsadminis that the exact name on the cd image file name?
02:42.34ntiynope, sorry. iso file has a name: debian-503-i386-netinst.iso
02:42.51nsadminso i386.
02:42.57ntiyyep, sorry
02:43.00nsadminwhat cpu?
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02:43.17ntiyintel centrino
02:43.35nsadminhow much ram?
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02:43.59ntiyI am not quite sure -- it's someione's laptop, not mine
02:44.25ntiyguy asked me to put linux on it. let me google that laptop and find specs
02:44.38ntiy*cant' even get to bios on this machine
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02:45.11ntiyClick Here
02:45.11ntiyToshiba Tecra A4-S211 (Pentium M 730 1.6 GHz, 512 MB RAM, 60 GB HDD)
02:45.22ntiysmth like that I got here
02:46.04nsadminok, so now check ram
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02:48.42ntiymemtest86 you mean?
02:48.50ntiyrunning it right now
02:49.11nsadminok, any errs?
02:49.22ntiyno, not so far
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02:53.08nsadminvery good... so the other thing is what is the exact text of the last msg, or the last few msgs
02:53.47ntiywell they just flash for a portion of a second in front of me
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02:53.58ntiyand than it dies to black screen
02:54.26ntiyis there a way to run boot in "pres any key for next step" mode?
02:54.56nsadminother than that... I'd suggest you try other distro boots to see which work, and when you find ones that do, find the kernel version, and see if you can find which modules are inserted, and also try to find the kernel source .config file for that kernel
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02:56.41ntiydoes it make sense to wait untill memtest is done?
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02:56.55ryanCHhow does bash do the prompt name thing, as in, ryan@ryan:~$
02:56.57nsadminno, the machine is fine
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02:57.04ryanCHhow do i change it?
02:57.15nsadminlook at ~/.bashrc
02:57.16ntiysetpromt?
02:57.25ryanCHcan it be, like .. ryan@something:~$
02:57.30ryanCHinstead.
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02:57.38nsadminthe prompt string shouold be assigned to PS1
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02:58.08ryanCHnsadmin, but how does it get that name for the name?
02:58.23ntiyryan
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02:58.25ntiyhttp://pastebin.com/m28322528
02:58.27nsadminit's your usernAme and your hostname
02:58.30ntiycheck that
02:58.46nsadmin(and your pwd probably)
02:58.55ryanCHhow do i change my hostname?
02:59.18nsadminyou can edit /etc/hostname
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03:00.00ryanCHnsadmin, this may sound like a noob question but what is the hostname used for? ;p
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03:00.10ntiy:)
03:00.33ntiyto identify your host?
03:00.43nsadminif the machine is on the internet, it's the leftmost part of the fully qualified domain name
03:00.48nsadminexample...
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03:01.06nsadminsay you have ryan.com
03:01.17ryanCHok.
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03:01.22nsadminassume also you have a few static IPs
03:01.25MrPocketzBecause jimsbox  will always resolve to jimsbox
03:01.35MrPocketzbut 192.168.1.100 might be 10 different people throughout the month
03:01.46nsadminthose are unroutable IPs
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03:02.06MrPocketzI like a dude who gets into linux before he even knows what a hostname is
03:02.17nsadminI mean -real- IPs that are actually both routable and routed
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03:03.15nsadminso if you have say 13 IPs, you might have a few machines on it... and you might be running a dns that handles ryan.com
03:03.33ryanCHi see
03:05.43nsadminso you might have leftarm.ryan.com on one of the IPs, rightarm.ryan.com on another, ryangw.ryan.com is on (traditionally) the lowest IP (and is the gateway for your subnet), and maybe a few more
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03:06.07nsadminthe hostnames are rightarm, leftarm, ryangw
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03:07.12MrPocketzseriously?
03:07.32nsadminfictitiously
03:07.37nsadminexamples
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03:09.02nsadminMrPocketz, consider being encouraging instead of having the effect of making people feel bad for not knowing (what turns out to be) a tiny detail
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03:09.26MrPocketznsadmin, I don't follow?
03:09.52nsadminif you follow your own comment, you follow that. just read it; it's my last comment on the subject
03:10.12MrPocketzMy previous comment wasn't at all sarcastic. I apologise if it came across that way. People this day and age are growing up with computers as they learn to speak and walk.
03:10.43MrPocketzIt's cool that linux is amoung more people other then just avid computing geeks like myself.
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03:22.24MrPocketzand the MrPocketz> Seriously?   was in responce to this goddamn rediculoud dDoS
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03:32.59ntiywell. I think fedora 12 netinstall with "proceed with standard driver" gave me normal install screen
03:33.15ntiywhat information could i get from here?
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03:46.05macrobatntiy: maybe loaded modules would be nice to see:  lsmod
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03:46.15macrobator the kernel version
03:46.24macrobatuname -a
03:46.51macrobatim just guessing
03:47.09ntiyok. machine is rebooting. will get this info in a sec
03:47.36ruben23hi what is the permission of this on octet------>drwxrwsrwx  3 root root 4096 2009-11-13 00:45 vicidia
03:47.37ntiynot shure how to get prompt
03:48.38macrobatchange tty ctrl-alt and a F-button
03:48.52ntiyyep. got it already
03:48.58ntiyso lsmod
03:49.54ntiywhich part of it should be interesting for me?
03:50.18magyarhi, which vpn is best suited for server to server tunnels?
03:50.29ntiyuname -- command is no found
03:51.35macrobatoh? :(
03:51.41ntiythe environment that I have is pretty poor. not to many things one can do with it
03:51.55macrobatits a busybox, maybe
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03:52.29macrobatwell, i'm not sure what to do with that info once you try to boot debian
03:52.50ntiy:)
03:52.55ntiyme neither
03:53.34macrobatanyway, you can see what hardawre you have. that may be nice to know
03:53.35ntiyI mean. what could be different? ok, kernel version. what else is important for that type of behaviour?
03:53.46macrobatmaybe "lspci"
03:54.19ntiyalready checked that. but again -- what should I do with it? I more or less understand what HW I got
03:54.21macrobatyou could see what drivers are loaded and so on
03:54.51ntiyit has radeon x600 if it matters btw
03:55.01ntiyi suggest it's a video-related thing
03:55.04macrobati think theres an option on the install cd to load additional drivers
03:55.20ntiyhmm... on debian cd?
03:55.33macrobati havent used it in ages
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03:55.51ntiyI am almost done with download of debian cd1 instead of netinstall
03:56.17macrobati dont know, copy drivers to an usb stick or something
03:56.21ntiybtw is cd1 enough for installation if I plan to get the rest from internet afterwards
03:56.24ntiy?
03:56.30macrobatyes
03:56.40macrobatnetinstall is enough too
03:56.57ntiyyea, but it crashes right away
03:57.34ntiygosh, I have like 12 cd's lying around )))
03:57.46ntiyand two more are coming
03:58.04macrobatthere are rw cds :)
03:59.09ntiyit's slower than to use plain ones. one erase operation more )
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04:01.31terafl0psI'm trying to get a Zyxel Zyair G-110 wireless card based on the Prism54 chipset working in Lenny and I can't get the interface to come up even though the kernel messages look like the device has been recognized.
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04:03.01heoaWhat is wrong?
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04:05.31terafl0psI had been getting an error before about needing the lsl3886 firmware.  I found that and copied it to /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware and that got rid of that error, but 'modprobe prism54pci' just makes the lights on the card blink for a second and the wlan0 interface won't come up even though it lists in iwconfig.
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04:06.35ctmjrterafl0ps: what does iwlist wlan0 scan say
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04:06.59terafl0pswlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down
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04:07.53amphiterafl0ps: try ifconfig wlan0 up & then the iwlist command
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04:08.23terafl0psSIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address
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04:10.34terafl0psRight now both LEDs are out.  If I reboot they both come on and stay on, but the results of the commands are the same.
04:10.51ctmjrterafl0ps: are you sure it is wlan0 try ifconfig -a it might be called something else
04:11.44terafl0psInteresting.  I see a new device.
04:11.50terafl0pswmaster0 ?
04:12.07terafl0psI also see wlan0.
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04:13.20ctmjrterafl0ps: do you have network-manager installed?
04:13.40terafl0psI think so.
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04:15.34terafl0psI take that back.  I don't.  I had been using wicd with my other wifi card when I wasn't using the command line.
04:16.09Minor723Just installed debian, tried to run a flash internet game. its got this play box. I need to get fid of the swfdec-mozilla plugin but its taking out gnome with it, I just want to use adobe flash
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04:17.36terafl0psI was just trying adding this PCMCIA card because my builtin Broadcom-based Dell 1390 minicard was acting flaky at work.
04:17.47Minor723Can I take out swfdec-flash and just use adobe flash
04:18.06ctmjrterafl0ps: try this ifconfig wlan0 down dhclient -r wlan0 then bring it back up ifconfig wlan0 up
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04:19.39terafl0psI get the same "SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address" on the up command.
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04:21.18terafl0psVery weird.  I've used this card successfully under Ubuntu on another machine.
04:21.55Minor723How can I get rid of the play arrow on flash files
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04:22.06ctmjrterafl0ps: well i am at a loss it sounds to me like the driver is fubar i would try to remove it and then reinstall
04:23.44terafl0psThanks anyway.  I'll have to stick to the Broadcom for now. :/
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04:26.29terafl0psMinor723, are you using iceweasel as your browser?
04:27.25Minor723terafl0ps: Yes, would rather have firefox if its available
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04:27.43terafl0psAh.  Iceweasel is the Debian port of Firefox.
04:28.02terafl0psThey are virtually identical.
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04:29.01terafl0psSome of the Debian maintainers made security patches and the like to Firefox before Mozilla could and I guess Mozilla said they couldn't call it Firefox...
04:29.52terafl0psI found I had luck with an alpha version of the flash player from Adobe...
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04:30.07terafl0pslibflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
04:30.14terafl0psThere may be something newer now.
04:30.25xkyep, r42
04:30.36terafl0psbut I don't get the annoying play button anymore
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04:31.19Minor723what you linked is the alpha?
04:31.46terafl0psThat was just the filename and xk says there is something newer anyhow.
04:32.15Minor723How can i check to see what i have installed?
04:32.34terafl0psYou just extract the latest tarball and replace libflashplayer.so in the Iceweasel plugins directory with the one in the tarball.
04:33.04Minor723Cool
04:33.31terafl0psOpen iceweasel and type in a URL of about:plugins
04:33.41Minor723Whats the diff in this debian chat on freenode and the "debian servers" one
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04:34.16terafl0psabout : plugins (without spaces)
04:34.18Minor723"Shockwave Flash 10.0 r42" is what I have
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04:35.00Minor723Would I be able to install Itunes, with or without wine?
04:36.05Minor723How can I search for a package "Gecko" with apt?
04:36.20xkapt-cache search gecko
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04:40.03Minor723terafl0ps: xk: thanks so much for the help
04:40.49terafl0psnp
04:41.27Minor723is there a wine front end, dont wanna use command line all the time
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04:49.58heoanew with rsync-daemon, started it, cannot find it from "ps -aux", where is it?
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04:55.08terafl0psheoa, How did you start it?
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04:55.49acc_Hello, #Debian.  After a recent safe-upgrade, I'm no longer seeing SMB shares in ~/.gvfs, although Nautilus will mount and display them just fine.  Any ideas why this might be?
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04:57.17acc_Also, the gvfs-mount works for Nautilus but not ~/.gvfs.
04:57.26acc_... command works ...
04:58.06LinuxGuy2009I know what backports are but what are lenny-volatile?
04:58.26terafl0psheoa, I'm just thinking if you ran it from a script and it got run in the background it probably died trying to read /etc/rsyncd.conf.
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05:02.00LinuxGuy2009are the volatile packages just stuff that gets regular updates or something?
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05:03.30cpp_dev-geoIt boots, beeps at me, then when I choose install it beeps again and powers down the machine
05:04.07joshritgerI am using debian lenny lxde and I was wondering if anyone can tell me how to get a volume controller for the taskbar
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05:06.08cpp_dev-geoanyone know a way to install debian lenny when the installer fails/dies like that?
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05:06.47wintercpp_dev-geo: tryied gentoo?
05:07.16terafl0pscpp_dev-geo: I've never installed 5.x in VPC, but I used 4.x in VPC...
05:07.19cpp_dev-geowinter: how would gentoo help me install debian?
05:07.35winterofc, it cant, i am SORRY.
05:07.46terafl0psDid you select "Other" as the operating system when you set up the VM?
05:07.59cpp_dev-geowinter: btw, i have used/played with gentoo before
05:08.20winterand wht, using ubuntu now probably.
05:08.22winter?
05:09.04cpp_dev-geoterafl0ps: Didn't give me that option...
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05:09.32terafl0psWe are both talking about Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 right?
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05:10.48cpp_dev-geoterafl0ps: actually I'm talking about the one that comes with Windwos 7
05:11.28terafl0psAh.  That's different.  I haven't had a chance to play with that yet.
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05:11.45winter"anyone know a way to install debian lenny when the..."
05:12.24terafl0psVPC used to let you choose the OS type when you first setup the VM.
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05:13.24terafl0psYou may be able to just run that in 7.  I built a few Debian VMs for VPC 2007 and they worked great for the most part.
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05:14.11minor723Is there an easy way to get better drivers for my nvidia 8800gt?
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05:17.06cpp_dev-geoterafl0ps: Yeah I didn't have a problem with a weekly build of the squeeze install in the VM
05:17.17cpp_dev-geoBut the lenny install isn't working.
05:17.27LinuxGuy2009Ok I have Debian on my Desktop PC and loving it big time. Im ready to try my Dell Mini 10v netbook with it. Are there good directions on getting the bcm4312 wireless driver and firmware?
05:18.04cpp_dev-geoI guess I could try the latest etch install and dist-upgrade it...
05:18.18minor723terafl0ps, Can you tell me how to get latest 3d nvidia drivers r see which ones i have
05:18.52newsense_LinuxGuy2009: install the package b43-fwcutter and wireless-tools
05:18.55terafl0psminor723, nvidia is pretty good about releasing drivers...
05:19.15minor723terafl0ps, I just have to obtain from their site and run an installer?
05:19.36terafl0psA lot of times it's that easy. :)
05:19.52LinuxGuy2009newsense_: Ok so after I installdebian thats all I need to do?
05:19.57minor723how do i run the installer? I have to shut down gdm?
05:20.18terafl0psYou may wind up needing to change your Xorg.conf though...
05:20.43newsense_LinuxGuy2009: b43-fwcutter is in contrib i believe so you will need to add it to your sources.list
05:21.03cpp_dev-geoterafl0ps: thanks for your feedback.
05:21.06terafl0psThe last time I installed nvidia drivers I just ran the installer from an xterm and allowed it to run.  The changes were applied the next time I logged into X.
05:21.23LinuxGuy2009newsense_: No problem I have all 5 repo DVDs to use.
05:21.32newsense_LinuxGuy2009: the b43-fwcutter package will attempt to download the firmware so if you have no other source ofinternet you would have to download the firmware manually and extract it to /lib/firmware/
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05:21.51cpp_dev-geoIt's late here so I gotta run...
05:23.00LinuxGuy2009newsense_: Ok cool. wireless-tools contains the actual driver or does it not need a driver?
05:24.13newsense_LinuxGuy2009: sorry i stand corrected, just checked dpkg and you need a 2.6.32 kernel and b43 from git
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05:24.58newsense_LinuxGuy2009: /msg dpkg b4312
05:25.33newsense_LinuxGuy2009: /msg dpkg bcm4312
05:25.51newsense_LinuxGuy2009: sorry my batteries are dying on this keyboard
05:26.00LinuxGuy2009newsense_: Oh ok very good. So after a fresh install just manually install thed kernel and b43 from the git repo? And b43-fwcutter too?
05:26.22newsense_LinuxGuy2009: or use ndiswrapper, its your choice
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05:27.01newsense_LinuxGuy2009: or /msg dpkg wl
05:28.15LinuxGuy2009newsense_: ok im gonna try and find the git repo on google and download the packages first before I install.
05:28.15newsense_LinuxGuy2009: looks like using the non-free drivers is the easiest
05:28.45LinuxGuy2009newsense_: You mean with ndiswrapper is the easiest?
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05:28.57newsense_LinuxGuy2009: no the non-free drivers
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05:29.05LinuxGuy2009newsense_: Oh ok cool.
05:29.09newsense_LinuxGuy2009: http://wiki.debian.org/wl
05:29.26newsense_you can use module assistant to build the module, super easy
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05:31.05LinuxGuy2009newsense_: Brilliant! You've been very helpful thanks so much for your time!
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05:31.54newsense_LinuxGuy2009: anytime
05:34.34beerkidIf I want to set up a cron job in Debian (Say run /www/file.php once every hour would it go something like this? crontab -e and then 0 1 * * * /www/file.php
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06:01.05beerkidWhat do I add to that if I want it to stop after 20 hours?
06:01.14beerkidor run 20 times
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06:15.29oOarthurOogreetings... using xscreensaver to blank and lock screen, only problem is the god ugly unlock dialog box. I've found I can edit colours and fonts and such in the .xresources file, but I can't for the life of me find where the program is pullng the logo from. The 1980s icon of a compyuter on fire. Any idea?
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06:28.39macrobatoOarthurOo: try  /usr/share/pixmaps/xscreensaver.xpm
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06:32.18oOarthurOomacrobat, thx... should've mentioned I replaced that file and restarted the xscreensaver, to no effect. Ugly computer on fire icon remains
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06:34.51mick_homeanyone know if unetbootin can do multiple images on one usb stick?
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06:40.19MrPocketzumm
06:40.24MrPocketzmick_home, Theres a way to do that.
06:40.29MrPocketzbut i don't think it's with unetbootin
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06:40.48mick_homehave an idea of where i should look?
06:40.56MrPocketzgoogle Dualboot USB
06:40.57MrPocketzor something
06:41.01mick_homei did
06:41.06mick_homemultiboot usb etc
06:41.21mick_homei tried a bunch of things
06:41.36MrPocketzidk, if its something you're seriously interested in PM me tomorrow at work. I'm sure i've got a link to it saved.
06:41.38mick_homesince i didn't find anything, i'm asking here ;)
06:42.07mick_homewhat timezone are you in?
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06:42.24MrPocketzI just made a multi boot USB with ERD commander, Acronis, Ghost, CloneZilla, Killdisk, BT4 and Bart PE
06:42.37MrPocketzand if i wasn't ripped as hell i could probably tell you how to do it :-)
06:42.41hescocan anyone recommend a featureful gui ftp client for the debian platform?
06:43.08mick_homei'd recommend: don't use ftp
06:43.15MrPocketzyeah
06:43.25MrPocketzsftp via CLI
06:43.30MrPocketzand script it if you've got stupid users
06:43.31hescoI'm migrating from a server which does not seem to provide scp
06:43.49mick_homehttp://filezilla-project.org/
06:43.52hesconot much choice in the matter
06:43.57mick_homethen try to use ssl/tls
06:44.15MrPocketzmick_home, is ftp + ssl  == ftps ?
06:44.21mick_homeno
06:44.22eclipyes
06:44.28mick_homeer, yes
06:44.29eclipyes it is
06:44.32MrPocketznot sFTP
06:44.36mick_homeright
06:44.38MrPocketzwhich is over SSH
06:44.45eclipsftp is a subprotocol of ssh
06:44.51eclipftps is ftp over ssl
06:44.54mick_homesubsystem
06:45.01MrPocketzIs there a security difference or prefference?
06:45.01eclipDERP
06:45.12ecliptheyre both secure, doesnt matter
06:45.26MrPocketzI don't know personally of an attack that can cercumvent either
06:45.39mick_homeftp servers have a horrible past re: security
06:46.17MrPocketzyeah, FTP was fail from the start
06:46.36mick_homeMrPocketz: if you can attack ssl/tls, then you can attack ftps
06:46.44MrPocketzright
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06:47.03hescofolks, I'm seeking an ftp client, not a server.
06:47.17hescoI understand the risks of the port 23 protocols
06:47.19MrPocketzbut in terms of SSH over SSL
06:47.34hescoI have no intention of opening port 23 on any server I administer
06:47.36MrPocketzwait
06:47.38MrPocketzport protocols?
06:47.50mick_home23 == telnet
06:47.57MrPocketzwell yea
06:47.58hescobut I still need to access files on a box where I have no ssh access
06:48.00mick_homehesco: that link is a client + server
06:48.12joeytwiddlehesco: i enjoyed using konqueror with sftp:// urls
06:48.23mick_homefilezilla is nice though
06:48.27mick_homeand cross platform
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06:51.01hescothanks for the ideas
06:51.02joeytwiddlekonqueror 3 on an sftp folder behaves the same as for a local folder
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06:58.32rgrwell, I just got convinced : google-chrome is far, far faster on debian squeeze than iceweasel and has far better keyboard integration for us mouse haters.
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07:00.15mick_homeyup, and it has a great history re: privacy
07:00.45sauvineh?
07:01.20sri__my usb modem connected as /dev/sr1/ how to connect as /dev/ttyUSB0?
07:02.49mick_homesauvin: everything that you do gets sent back to google
07:02.54mick_homei was being sarcastic
07:03.07sauvinthot so
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07:03.45mick_homeif i'd go that route - I'd at least use the neutered version (i'd check the patchset though)
07:04.06mick_homeiirc it is called Iron
07:04.39rgrhesco: you can run any protocol on any port give or take. including ssh on port 23.
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07:05.02rgrscanners arent so stupid as to think protocols are fixed on fixed port #s
07:05.33rgrand people who move things like ftp to another port to avoid attack are naive.
07:05.51mick_homethough... where the hell is the source? http://code.google.com/chromium/
07:06.32mick_homenm, found it
07:06.34shivrajmmm ... google chrome
07:06.40rgrmick_home: I know what you mean re privacy. But it really is so much more repsonsive. Only issue I have is unable to spawn it using xmonad for some reason and cant find a way to open a newtab in existing window by default as opposed to opening a new frame.
07:07.15rgrbut keyboard navigation and control is excellent and very intuitive.
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07:07.50rgrand they bothered to make it gtk compliant as far as possible which is really nice.
07:08.26mick_homehow does it feel to be tracked with everything that you do?
07:08.37mick_homemust feel great after you sell your soul
07:08.52rgrsurely you're not so naive as to think you're not using other other browsers? LOL.
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07:09.11mick_homewtf is an "other other" browser?
07:09.14rgrBig brother is always watching : espicially you Mick ...
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07:10.03mick_homewtf is up with people thinking that you are a "privacy fanatic" when you have some common sense?
07:10.08rgrmick_home: you never saw a repeated word before? Try to work it out if you can.
07:10.40rgrmick_home: you are rather angry. And have a high opinion of your common sense. Good luck there cowboy!
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07:12.49rgrI also like the way they prompt you for default search engines. Not everyhting is a conspiracy and it might surprise the more paranoid people out there but link sniffing reveals no untoward logging of anything.
07:13.16mick_homelol
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07:15.45mick_homebetter re-read that privacy policy that you never bothered to read
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07:16.38rgrhesco: proftpd is excellent. Ignore the paranoid ravings. The world over uses ftp just fine if you pay attention to sensible defaults and are competent enough. Also has an excellent gui front end for gnome should you so need.
07:17.10rgrthings like fail2ban are also worth considering when you open up your server to the world.
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07:19.23pwdknockd etc
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07:21.49rgrknockd is interesting but not for nOObs. Did you use it?
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07:22.42rgrAnd hardly likely to be useful for someone that wants to run a public ftp service I would think. Handy for closed groups though.
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07:23.42mick_homea more sensible alternative is ssh w/ ssh keys, allow only keybased logins and set AllowUsers
07:25.09mick_homethat prevents a botnet from doing a brute force attack (one guess per zombie)
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07:29.31hxB5Hi all, i can't seem to find the trash folder in debian squeeze... i thought it would be located somewhere in ~/. ... also tried a "find" without success, any hints?
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07:30.19hxB5sudo find / -type d -name *Trash*  didn't return anything
07:31.12pwdupdatedb; locate *Trash*
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07:32.50hxB5that returns more results, but still no Trash per se
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07:33.49hxB5i just reinstalled my system actually... and i have the feeling that some of the files i deleted have not freed up space on the drive (wqs monitoring with df -h)
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07:34.37mick_homehxB5: ~/.local/share/Trash
07:34.59chris_trying to create a custom bash command. where do i place it so it can be run from any location in the CL?
07:35.25mick_homechris_: anywhere in your path
07:35.31mick_homeecho $PATH
07:35.50mick_homethat will tell you what it is currently set to
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07:36.01chris_thanks
07:36.04hxB5well, i have got stuff in that folder, but no trash subfolder...
07:36.06rgrchris_: somewhere on your path. Its well covered in google. typically ~/bin. And you add that is your .bashrc.
07:37.10chris_ECHO command not found
07:37.23mick_hometurn off capslock
07:37.47rgrand you need to chmod it correctly of course.
07:37.58chris_+x i assume
07:37.59mick_homewho the hell puts stuff in ~/bin ?
07:38.18macrobatdoes
07:39.09mick_homei guess everyone has a different personal preference ;)
07:39.10chris_im just tired of killing processes by ps -le | grep process ... kill ...
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07:39.30macrobathow do you organize scripts, mick_home ?
07:39.34chris_want to write a script that will take an argument then ask if it should be killed
07:40.12mick_homechris_: what you want has already been written (though it is easy to do that of course)
07:40.18macrobatchris_: i often use htop to kill processes
07:40.19mick_homechris_: top does the same thing
07:40.24rgrask in #bash is a better bet. But there are oodles of resources on the net for writing bash scrips. did you now of pidof, killal or pgrep?
07:40.36rgrkillall
07:40.37macrobatand pkill
07:40.38chris_so, top docky ?
07:40.41rgrand htop is excellent too
07:40.44hxB5how can i see more precisely the amount of free space vs size of a partition? df -h gives me a figure in Gb, but i would like to test deleting a small file to see if space is being freed up.
07:41.02rgrit is :-;
07:41.16mick_homekillall is a bit dangerous if you do cross platform work
07:41.24macrobathxB5: leave out the "-h" to see size in bytes
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07:41.37rgrmacrobat: actually htop is an excellent desktop feature - I have it on a hot key :-;
07:41.43hxB5Thanks macrobat
07:42.23macrobathxB5: have a look at "du -s" too
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07:42.33chris_im reading the top man page but still confused on usage. what would i type if i want to kill a process by its name?
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07:42.51rgrhxB5: "info dh" shows -h is for human readable so less accuracy.
07:42.56rgrdf even.
07:43.13rgrchris_: htop
07:43.22rgrthen f3, name, k
07:43.31dummy-lessI do "usermod -a -G audio <username>" and it returns no error but "groups" does not list the group. What am I missing?
07:43.34rgryou can send different signals to the process too.
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07:44.08chris_rgr: i will give it  a try
07:44.09chris_thanks
07:44.15rgrgoogle it up : great app
07:44.20mick_homedummy-less: addgroup ?
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07:44.32macrobatchris_: in top: k for killing, ? for help
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07:45.04hxB5Thanks for your help, i just did a test and deleted a small fil using nautilus and without hlding the shift key. the file was deleted and the space was freed (could see it now with df)... so no trash for me/// Will figure this out later why i don't have it by default
07:45.33mick_homehxB5: most common issue-> permissions
07:45.33chris_macrobat:thanks
07:45.34dummy-lessmick_home: audio exists as a group
07:45.54hxB5Got it. Thanks again for your help
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07:47.34mick_homedummy-less: usermod -g audio username
07:47.43macrobati usually use "gpasswd -a" to add a user to a group
07:48.08macrobatdummy-less: you have to log in and out for group membership to take effect
07:48.24mick_homenot true
07:48.37mick_homefor what he is doing, it would show upo w/ groups
07:48.41mick_homeup*
07:48.56mick_homeex: usermod -g games username
07:49.02mick_homegroups username
07:49.08mick_homethat would show "games"
07:49.37radoemick_home: you do n othing wrong. But running processes and their new spawned childs can't change their group memberchip on the fly. Despite of login/logout you may use "newgrp audio", which spawans a new shell which has this group set if it is in your list of groups.
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07:50.45mick_homeradoe: my point was that he didn't need to logout and login to check if the group was added. what he was doing was correct (to check the groups)
07:50.46radoeBaa, this should be "membership" and "spawns" ... ENOCOFFEE
07:51.05dummy-lessmick_home: it's not showing up with groups
07:51.19mick_homedummy-less: did you do what i said?
07:51.43dummy-lessyes
07:51.52mick_homedummy-less: usermod -g audio username
07:51.59mick_homedummy-less: groups username
07:52.03mick_homeare you root?
07:52.41dummy-lessmick_home: using sudo,  yes
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07:53.25radoemick_home: yes, groups yourname works (as it calls "id ... yourname" internally, which works differently when called with a username)
07:53.51dummy-lessmick the group audio is in /etc/group but it is not adding me to that group
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07:53.53reto`it seems that on my lenny here usr/share/fonts/misc is missing... how can I fix that?
07:54.29mick_homedummy-less: hard for me to believe -- but in any case add yourself manually
07:54.45dummy-lesswill try a logout/in
07:54.53radoedummy-less: well, then we'll have a look at the only true source: grep ^audio /etc/groups
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07:55.12gypsymaurohi
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07:55.32mick_homedummy-less: is you name next to "audio" in /etc/group ?
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07:56.01gypsymauroI'm trying to use script to record all my bash sessions, I added a script -a line in .bashrc but when I start a new shell it opens a lot of script processes.. why?
07:56.05dummy-lessmick_home: no
07:56.22mick_homethen add it to the end
07:56.44mick_homethat is pretty much what those things do anyhow
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07:56.51mick_homethen logout and log back in
07:56.58kasimonHi! is there a howto how to create packages from a upstream svn repository? I mean orig.tar.gz handling and constructing debian/changelog entries automaticcally?
07:57.06mick_homethough you should have been in the audio group from the beginning
07:57.10dummy-lessmick_home: ok - sound s Too easy ;)
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07:58.09mick_homedummy-less: it should look like (where #s are numbers)-> audio:x:###:dummy-less
07:58.12dummy-lessmick_home: Yes I wa in audio but something broke alsa and I lost that - this is me recovering alsa
07:58.27mick_homeah ok
07:58.28newfishhello, I run sudo update-grub, but it could not find any images. maybe because i removed 005_debian_theme and everything in the same directory?
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07:58.47AiyaI have one question
07:58.56dummy-lessmick_home: yep - done manually - logout/in now......
07:59.46AiyaMy laptop is currently run on window 7.I want to install debian at the same time i want to keep this window 7.(Dual boot)How do i make it?
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08:00.07reto`it seems that on my lenny here usr/share/fonts/misc is missing... how can I fix that?
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08:00.21mick_homekasimon: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
08:00.57mick_homeAiya: after the installer starts it should provide you with the option to dual boot (not in those words)
08:01.06mick_homethough i haven't tried windows 7
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08:01.32kasimonmick_home: i know that :-) but it's based on the assumption that upstream comes as a .tar.gz
08:01.38AiyaHow do i make it install debian?
08:01.41reto`Aiya: you can run debian with colinux within windows if you want a slick solution.... needs quite some config and cygwin/x though.... I have lenny here running on xp with colinux...
08:02.06AiyaWhere can i download this debian OS?
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08:03.44mick_homeAiya: debian.org
08:04.06mick_homereto`: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 <-- you having that issue listed re: missing fonts?
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08:04.25radoekasimon: you may have a look at svn-buildpackage
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08:05.30iskywalkerhi!
08:05.53iskywalkermy xscreensaver does not put my monitor to standby, what can i reconfigure to change it?
08:05.57mick_homeAiya: windows comes with a program to burn a .iso to a cd (as far as i know) - use that to burn http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/debian-503-i386-netinst.iso
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08:06.19kasimonradoe: svn-buildpackage is for managing the package in svn, but not for handling upstream svn repositories AFAIK
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08:06.27mick_homeAiya: do you know if you have an AMD64? if so then you would need to burn: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso
08:06.30iskywalkercdburnerxp is not bad also for burning iso on windows
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08:06.54mick_homekasimon: ask in #debian-devel
08:06.56iskywalkershould take the big package if burning a cdrom anyway
08:07.00iskywalkernot netinst...
08:07.22mick_homeiskywalker: what window manager do you use?
08:07.30iskywalkergnome
08:07.59LinuxGuy2009Ok guys I just got done doing a fresh install on this Dell Mini 10v netbook. Got the wireless working with ease. Now m trying to get audio working by upgrading alsa with directions herehttp://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Dell/InspironMini10v
08:08.01mick_homei forget the exact settings, but it is something around screensavor
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08:08.20kasimonmick_home: ok, thanks
08:08.39LinuxGuy2009Is it possible to just make debs with those files found there?\
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08:09.03mick_homeLinuxGuy2009: i bet you noone here knows
08:10.02mick_homeLinuxGuy2009: i just checked the site... what files?
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08:10.11macrobatLinuxGuy2009: how do you mean?
08:10.13LinuxGuy2009untar them and do ./configure, make, make install. Id much rather have debs.
08:10.19mick_homeah ok
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08:10.51mick_homenot everything needs to be a .deb ;)
08:10.58LinuxGuy2009True
08:10.58iskywalkeri found it logn time ago, but i thought suspend was the computer and not onlythe monitor...
08:11.12mick_homeaptitude install ncurses-dev libncursesw5-dev xmlto build-essentials
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08:11.25mick_homethen just get the files, compile, make and be done w/ it
08:11.35LinuxGuy2009Maybe ill just download the files and create a readme and burn on cd-r for future use.
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08:12.15mick_homeiskywalker: it is under power management under the screensavor settings iirc
08:12.18LinuxGuy2009ill do that and be done. right.
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08:13.46solar_anthi all
08:13.55solar_antI just installed ssh -server in my remote machine
08:14.06solar_antand i did ssh root@ip -v from my client
08:14.11solar_antit says connection denied
08:14.15solar_antdidnt even ask for password
08:14.21solar_antthis is default configuration on lenny
08:14.57AimHereLogging into root account is switched off by default
08:15.07solar_antAimHere: oh ok thanks
08:15.19AimHereIf you want to change that, and make your system less secure, fiddle with /etc/ssh/something-or-other
08:15.31mick_homesshd_config
08:15.37AimHereThat's the one
08:15.39johnp_mick_home: logout/in made it come right  -- thanks
08:16.07mick_homeglad to hear it worked
08:16.42johnp_is gald to hear his alsa again ;)
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08:25.19caraconanHi. Some command line tool to resize .pdf files? Imagemagick are intended to raster files, and the quality are very poor
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08:26.53ArafangionWhat is the most efficient way to send a HDD image from the host's HDD (not mounted), to another computer?
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08:27.12ArafangionDefinetly without using temporary storage./
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08:28.01themillArafangion: what do you mean by "resize"? Change paper size? reduce raster image resolution inside the pdf?
08:28.17Arafangionthemill: You got the wrong person dude. :)
08:28.22macrobatcaraconan: maybe pdftk can do that, i dont know
08:28.26themillbah ;(#
08:28.39themillcaraconan: what do you mean by "resize"? Change paper size? reduce raster image resolution inside the pdf?
08:28.58themillArafangion: the dangers of just looking at the nick colour and length (and not at the nick itself...)
08:29.14LinuxGuy2009Holy crap this ./configure, make, make install is taking forever on just one bz2 file and I have 3 to do. Theres no simple way to just turn them into debs for faster install?
08:29.29caraconanUsing my own words: reduce the size in pixels (from 2000px x 1024px => 1000px x 512px)
08:29.31caraconanFor instance..
08:29.41macrobati'd like to make the margins in "kernel in a nutshell" narrower :)
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08:30.20Arafangionthemill: I was wondering how you managed to do it, as it wasn't a buggy tab-completion issue. ;)
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08:30.49caraconanpdftk can't resize
08:30.54themillcaraconan: the size in pixels is meaningless when you're talking about a vector image though. (And you presumably have vector images as you don't want to use imagemagick)
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08:31.50caraconan<themill> The issue: I scanned a document with gscan2pdf, I saved it as .pdf, but when I open it (for instance with evince) is 2 or 3 times larger than normal .pdf
08:32.00caraconanTrouble? For instance to send it by fax
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08:32.31themillby "2 to 3 times larger" I presume you mean that the PDF has incorrect page size settings in it
08:32.47ArafangionI'm thinking of using: gzip - < /dev/sda | netcat 192.168.2.2 2000
08:32.54themillIf it's scanned, then you can just use imagemagick
08:33.06ArafangionHowever, how do I become sure that the data was correctly transferred?
08:34.23caraconanhttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-494203.html
08:34.43mick_homeArafangion: i'd connect it directly to the other box
08:34.48caraconan<PROTECTED>
08:35.01Arafangionmick_home: Not physically compatible.
08:35.12Arafangionmick_home: At least, without adapters, which I don't have.
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08:36.25ArafangionI'm using multiple passes for now, but I'd just love to know a more efficient approach - seems silly to do use multiple passes when it could all be done in just one.
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08:36.54Arafangion(ie, one pass to do the sha1 on the orig, one pass to transfer the data, and another pass on the target to again calculate the sha1.
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08:36.55Arafangion)
08:37.11Arafangionwonders why he always closes parenthesis on their own line...
08:37.28mick_homeArafangion: the adapters aren't expensive
08:37.31chris_i cant seem to move a file into min ~/bin folder
08:37.42mick_homeand it is more reliable and it is easier
08:38.08mick_homechris_: ~/bin means /home/chris/bin
08:38.26Arafangionmick_home: I'd have to actually get one...  And I'm sure that they'd be more than $20. (You don't know where I live)
08:38.38chris_yes. i tried cp and mv but the script is still not executing
08:38.39mick_homechris_: mv yourfile.sh /home/chris/bin
08:38.46chris_SH!
08:38.49chris_i forgot. thanks
08:39.01mick_homechris_: executing?
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08:39.18mick_homefile extention has little to do with it
08:39.20chris_mick_home: i wrote a script
08:39.37mick_homeyes i know
08:39.55Arafangionmick_home: Besides, reliable or not, one should still check.
08:39.58chris_when i type the name of the script i get "command not found"
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08:40.26Arrowmasteris ~/bin even in your $PATH
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08:41.32chris_i tried echo $PATH but i am not getting any results
08:42.25Arafangionchris_: That could be your problem.
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08:43.49chris_how do i add it to $PATH ?
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08:45.07mick_homechris_: hold on, let me show you something
08:45.59mick_homechris_: http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8224/testlel.png
08:46.30mick_homesee that line w/ export?
08:46.44mick_homeyou need to add something like that to your .bashrc
08:47.00reto`mick_home: oh... as I don't have xorg server installed (using an external X) xfonts-base was also missing... the post helped me figure it out... thx
08:47.22mick_homereto`: glad that it helped, that looked familiar
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08:48.11chris_mick_home: thanks. that makes sense
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08:49.47mick_homechris_: glad that made some sense, check out the bash stuff on tldp.org
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08:51.19mick_homechris_: http://tldp.org/guides.html - stuff for beginners to advanced
08:51.30chris_if anyone is interested here is the script i wrote. http://paste-bin.com/view/b93c6d51
08:51.48chris_takes an argument and searches for its process name, asks if you want to kill it
08:51.58chris_you guys were telling me about top and htop
08:52.10chris_they look nice but too much for what i wanted to do. thanks
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08:55.22mick_homeeven shorter (if you really wanted to rewrite killall): kill `ps ax | grep $1 | awk '{print $1}';`
08:55.37mick_homekillall.sh $process_name
08:56.29chris_mick_home: what about exceptions?
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08:57.06mick_homelike what? no process by that name? it kills the ps
08:57.08etchris_: just fyi, there is pgrep/pkill
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08:57.31mick_homei think that he knows that he redid the wheel
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08:59.21chris_indeed i redid the wheel, but if you think about it, if there are so many wheels then others did the same thing as me
08:59.23chris_:)
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08:59.49mick_homeshakes his head
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09:00.04mick_homejust because you can do something, doesn't make it a good idea
09:00.38Arafangionchris_: For extra brownie points...  Make it portable, use sh instead of bash, and consider unit testing it.
09:00.52chris_Arafangion:cool thanks
09:01.25mick_homeArafangion: don't encourage him
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09:01.43chris_hahah come on mick_home
09:01.52Arafangionmick_home: Seriously, unit testing that would be an interesting academic excercise.
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09:02.31mick_homethere are so many software projects that need some serious help
09:02.49mick_homeor some projects that don't exist that should be written
09:03.00themillcaraconan: your pdf is already rastered -- there is no loss of quality by using imagemagick if you use the right options. You should also be able to use ghostscript directly for this
09:03.06mick_homethat time can be spent helping out those projects
09:03.43caraconan<themill> I'm playing with gscan2pdf resolution and it will be enough (and better). Thanks a lot to all
09:04.21chris_mick_home:hey man im a PHP guy and a 3am bash tweaker :)
09:04.39mick_homei'm a "php guy"
09:05.14mick_homethere are a lot of drupal modules which have yet to be ported over, and SimpleTests still need to be written
09:05.16chris_let me rephrase that: I'm a PHP professional.
09:05.58pwdrofl
09:06.00chris_Im not a big fan of drupal... or wordpress for that matter
09:06.27pwd<chris_> let me rephrase that: I'm a PHP professional.
09:06.32mick_homethen ZF needs a hell of a lot of help :P
09:06.52mick_homebut you get my point
09:07.13chris_i do.
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09:30.03itsosimpowoah why does epiphany web browser open on boot???
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09:30.15itsosimpoand i've also got a terminal starting up when i boot
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09:30.46itsosimpoerr also i can't mount ext4!!
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09:30.53_stackon boot?
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09:31.01_stackwtf?
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09:31.10itsosimpoyeah when my kernel loads
09:31.20itsosimpoit automatically tries to open a browser
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09:31.28itsosimpoerr like two of them
09:31.30_stackI'm confused
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09:31.32itsosimpoand then a terminal
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09:45.52itsosimpoahh! i don't get it. why do programs load automatically on boot?????
09:46.16petemcitsosimpo: because they're configured to do so
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09:46.20itsosimpolike i've got a browser trying to load a site i tried accessing years ago
09:46.20AlexC_morning
09:46.21petemcat a guess..
09:46.28petemcitsosimpo: using gnome?
09:46.35itsosimpopetemc: what's the name of the conf file
09:46.36itsosimpoyes
09:46.52AlexC_I'm writing a BASH script that will do many things, one of them will add a new user - however, how can I use 'adduser' to provide a password without being prompted?
09:46.59AlexC_I would like this to be automatic with no user intervention
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09:47.04petemcitsosimpo: you might want to look into gnome-session-save
09:47.10itsosimpowhat's that?
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09:48.21JyZyXELi have a drive that acording to SMART is gonna be failing soon
09:48.26itsosimponow my browsers aren't working
09:48.30JyZyXELhow do i test if its right?
09:48.45JyZyXELdd the disk full of /dev/zero and watch dmesg for errors?
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09:49.33_stackAlexC_: check out useradd
09:50.46AlexC__stack, ah, excellent! Thanks
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10:07.39qwdJyZyXEL: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-find-out-if-harddisk-failing.html
10:08.46caraconanI can scan with gscan2pdf, but 'scanimage -L' (launched as root) does not finds any plugged scanner. http://pastebin.com/m1f6b3d59 Some help?
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10:38.40rdzhi all. rkhunter says: "Warning: Application 'sshd', version '5.1p1', is out of date, and possibly a security risk.". However, there is no newer version in the repos. How can i tell rkhunter, that the version detected is OK?
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10:40.48mcgregsry I have tried reading some docs and stiff about iniramfs but  relly dont get it. I would like to blacklist some modules from the initrd image - for example vesafb or ... but I dont know how. myproblem is, radeon kms doesnt work anymore since some vesa vga stuff is loaded and it seems to be builtin so I cannot unload it
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10:47.50jelly!tell mcgreg -about blacklist-initramfs
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10:48.19jelly!tell mcgreg -about blacklist
10:48.25jelly... for good measure
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10:48.39mcgregthank you
10:48.51jellymcgreg: which kernel version?  Which debian release?
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10:49.11jellyalso,
10:49.13jelly!nofb
10:49.13dpkgAppend "video=vga16:off" to the kernel at boot time to disable the framebuffer.
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10:49.40mcgregI am using unstable
10:50.17JyZyXELits all fun and games until it brakes
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10:50.36mcgregit's ok, using that since a few years now ;)
10:51.05petemcfredz: you can use sftp:// in nautilus or konqueror
10:51.10jellywell, can't say anything about radeon, but i915.modeset=1 works for me with an intel card, on 2.6.32-rc8-amd64
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10:51.54mcgregjelly, it actually worked here since weeks, suddenly dmesg report about conflict with vesa vga.. ad it crashes the output
10:52.02blinkizhello. I have an application that listen on 4285. I would like to use iptables so it also listen on 443. How can I set this up with iptables? using debian lenny 5.0
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10:59.53jellyblinkiz: use iptables REDIRECT, something like  iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 434 -j REDIRECT --to-port 4285
11:00.00jellyblinkiz: mind the typos
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11:00.12blinkizjelly, thanks
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11:00.41jellyblinkiz: note -- if your app listens on localhost instead of the external interface, you can't do that
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11:02.47mcgregjelly, do you perhaps know what kernel module is responsible for vga vesa?
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11:04.34seicherlbobhi there! can anyone recommend a ISDN PCI card that is well supported under Debian? Maybe something that works at least almost out of the box and does not need to be recompiled possibly after every second kernel update?
11:04.46solar_anthi all
11:04.54solar_antI am trying to use xen with debian
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11:05.37solar_antdo I need to have  a separate disk  in /dev that needs to be used as  xvd for dom u
11:05.49solar_antcan I not just point it to a folder or an img file?
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11:12.42jellymcgreg: umm... lsmod|grep vesa ?
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11:13.15mcgregthere is no
11:14.28mcgregall I know it that -> [   10.728381] fb: conflicting fb hw usage radeondrmfb vs VESA VGA - removing generic driver
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11:14.41mcgregand later I get [   25.546643] [drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id
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11:24.44_agn_my lcd brightness goes up to 100% after startx
11:24.48_agn_its a thinkpad
11:24.52_agn_any ideas ?
11:25.53_agn_cat /proc/acpi/video/VID/LCD0/brightness says <not supported>
11:26.04_agn_should i disable acpid ?
11:26.28_agn_can control brightness with fn key though
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11:26.56whatso anyone got nvidia 8600gt + 1080p h264 working decently with no tearing?
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11:27.27whati've q6600 i can oc 50%, the gt8600512MB 4mb ram / x-fi ; also x-fi supported in debian:?
11:27.52andeghost_to _agn_ /proc/acpi/video/VID/LCD0$ cat brightness
11:28.04andeghost_levels:  30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100
11:28.15andeghost_current: 100
11:28.27_agn_andeghost_: it says <not supported> here
11:28.45andeghost_my $PATH is different to yours
11:29.10andeghost_oh, they are the same
11:29.30andeghost_I'm using squeeze
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11:31.41andeghost_brb : -(
11:32.10mcgregjelly, well, I blacklisted following modules      http://pastebin.org/65949    and started dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)  after that. nothing changed ...
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11:53.49jellymcgreg: use module name without ".ko"
11:54.46mcgregok, for that call me an idiot
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12:00.38cmacishey room. I'm going to be spending some time here since I just made the jump from ubuntu
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12:02.35MartyDhi guys, can someone tell me what i have to do to make my bluetooth device appear in network panel? it is an older v4.0r3 installation
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12:06.54mcgregjelly, well, thx for that tip, but it didnt chang anything as well...  I think I'll give up on that :(
12:07.01p3rroris there any hp channel
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12:07.58imho:-)  :-|  :-(  [SCOTTY]-[SCOTTSDALE]-[WHITE 89 4D MERCEDES NO BUMPER]-[DHCP REASIGNMENT]-[ http://70.190.119.56 ]-[UPDATED 12-17-2009]  (-:  |-:  )-:
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12:12.42jellythere's ... suprisingly, #hpux
12:12.43p3rrorjehan, nop i have some question about hp hardware
12:12.52jellywhich hp hardware?
12:13.05p3rrora dl180 g5 server
12:13.11jelly!proliant
12:13.13dpkgHP ProLiant utilities for etch i386: http://tinyurl.com/3tvpwg, etch amd64: http://tinyurl.com/mfg6yp, lenny i386&amd64: ftp://ftp.hp.com/pub/softlib2/software1/pubsw-linux/p1538177301/v45350/, some etch utilities need libstdc++2.10-glibc2.2 installed (a copy is available in HP's ISO for lenny, or somewhere on archive.debian.org).  http://wiki.debian.org/HP/ProLiant
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12:13.33p3rroryes proliant i have some trouble with
12:13.44p3rrori'm trying to set RAID on it
12:13.54p3rrorbut i did not find any prompt for that
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12:14.22p3rrornor any activation option found in BIOS
12:14.25jellyI know of no channel for their intel server line, sorry
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12:16.06jellyp3rror: a P200 / P400 / P600 hw raid controller has own bios.  These are for models with SAS (or older SCSI) disks, and one can create an array fairly easily
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12:26.05qwdI just plugged in my digital camera to Debian Squeeze AMD64 Gnome and it's not detecting it. I haven't had problems detecting usb-drives before. Where can I go from here?
12:26.40cmacisIs the camera turned on?
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12:26.46qwdI have gnome-desktop-environment installed, not gnome-desktop
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12:27.10qwdcmacis: yeah, just tried unplugging and turning it on and then plugged it in again
12:27.43cmacisthat's all I've got
12:27.53qwdcmacis: thanks anyway :)
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12:43.22GattoDiSchrodingtoday by starting the PC I got the error GRUB error 21. I tried to reset several times but nothing. In the end I removed and reattached the power and it booted.
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12:43.53GattoDiSchrodingThis error should mean that grub can not find the grub.conf, but nothing has changed on my system.
12:44.26GattoDiSchrodingis possible that my hard drive is no longer good?
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12:46.03maxagazhow to change the mtime of a file ?
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12:49.20tarzeaumaxagaz: with touch?
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12:49.50maxagaztarzeau, i need to make a file 10 days older that it is actually
12:50.05maxagazfor some tests
12:51.54tarzeaumaxagaz: man touch
12:52.25tarzeaumaxagaz: and man stat to see the times of files
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13:00.22qwdOk so apparently the computer *does* detect the camera, though it isn't mounted. Doing lsusb give me "Bus 003 Device 021: ID 04a9:311a Canon, Inc." I plugged the camera into another computer with Ubuntu and noticed it used gphoto2 so I installed that and gphotofs but it still isn't automounted. Think I need to reboot?
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13:04.48superlinuxhi. what is the Closest Unix to HP/UX?
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13:05.46joltcansuperlinux: AIX maybe, not really sure why you ask this in #debian though
13:06.40nsmhi
13:06.41qwdaccording to "man gphotofs" you mount by doing "gphotofs <mountpoint>" but how do I find out what the mountpoint is?
13:06.55superlinuxjoltcan, I am looking for either an AMD64 or a i386 Unix
13:06.56nsmi have a problem apache drops all my upload request after an  hour
13:07.40joltcansuperlinux: Yes, but you are in #debian, so either your search is over, or you have to continue via google or something
13:07.47Titan8990nsm, there is a limit by default, have you reached that limit?
13:08.17nsmwhat is that limit titan?
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13:08.36lsdnsm, set "Timeout <seconds>" either in your global apache config, or your virtual host section
13:08.52lsdand in future, ask those questions to google or the relevant places as joltcan said
13:09.06nsmtimeout only control the gets request
13:09.09nsmi think
13:09.20lsdnot afaik
13:09.28nsmam i wrong?
13:09.28superlinuxjoltcan,  you are right. however, I am asking in a room with high number of people
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13:10.07joltcansuperlinux: ...in a room with a high number of Debian people I might add
13:10.13exprimsuperlinux: is hp-ux a linux?
13:10.26superlinuxexprim, no
13:10.30superlinuxit's not!
13:10.38superlinuxit's a Unix from HP
13:10.39nsmTitan8990 what is that limit?
13:10.46exprimyou've just asked as if it was ;)
13:10.59iceroot_how to set a gateway with ifconfig? cant find anything in the help
13:11.15joltcaniceroot_: You don't use "ip" or "route"
13:11.32iceroot_joltcan: ?
13:11.32joltcaniceroot_: and add a "." after don't :)
13:11.50superlinuxexprim, no. I was not. a group of people want some training in HP/UX. and we cannot afford buying an Itanium server
13:12.04iceroot_joltcan: i dont get waht you mean
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13:12.12superlinuxand we are in lebanon, beirut. so it's hard to get such stuff
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13:12.25joltcaniceroot_: Use "route" or "ip". Those are two commands that can modify the routing table to set a gateway
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13:12.53joltcaniceroot_: ifconfig modifies the network card and its associated addresses, not the routing table
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13:14.17iceroot_joltcan: ah ok, thought its using /etc/network/interfaces  where i can put a gateway
13:14.54iceroot_i just want to use 192.168.1.1 as a gateway
13:14.55joltcaniceroot_: But you didn't say anything about editing /etc/network/interfaces, and I'm out of batteries on my telepatic thinking hat
13:15.29iceroot_joltcan: i want to assign an ip,netmask and gateway without using /etc/network/interfaces  just with ifconfig. that was my plan
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13:15.47iceroot_joltcan: and you told me ifconfig cant handle a gateway so i am stuck at the manpage of route
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13:16.43joltcaniceroot_: scroll down to EXAMPLES in the manpage, or get confused :)
13:16.59iceroot_i will do both :)
13:17.20joltcanheh
13:18.23iceroot_joltcan: found it, thx, working now
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13:31.22mikeb123trying to get snmp running on etch... did apt-get install snmp snmpd , now can not find snmp.conf
13:31.48mikeb123should be in /etc/snmp but can only find snmpd.conf
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13:34.16qwdI'm trying to mount my Canon Powershot S3 IS on Debian Squeeze AMD64 gnome-desktop-environment. I installed gphoto and gphotofs after noticing that Ubuntu successfully mounted the camera with that. My user has permission to mount FUSE filesystems and is in the group plugdev. This is what "dmesg | tail" gives me: http://pastebin.com/d450d7afd
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13:34.58saafiHi :)
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13:35.35saafiI have Core 2 Duo processor and 4 MB RAM...Currently I am running i386 bigmem kernel
13:36.09joltcansaafi: Wow, could you even manage to boot on that amount? :)
13:36.09eta bigmem kernel for 4MB ram sounds ... odd.
13:36.15saafiis there a big difference in the overall performance with the AMD64 Arch
13:36.24saafi:-D
13:36.37saafi4G RAM...sorry :)
13:37.35saafi?
13:37.52saafianyone test it ?
13:38.14DimmuRdifference between i386-bigmem and what? :>
13:38.25saafiand AMD64
13:38.34joltcansaafi: 64 bit doesnt equal faster
13:38.43saafiOK thets why  I ask
13:38.49saafithat's
13:38.52DimmuRsaafi, you have intel cpu :>
13:38.53joltcansaafi: only that the address space for programs can be larger
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13:39.50saafisoo 32 bit i386 with bigmem kernel = 64bit ADM64
13:40.08saafino difference in the performance of the system ?
13:40.21DimmuRi always thought that amd kernels are designed for computers with amd processors but i could be wrong
13:40.21Stereosaafi: depends on what you do
13:40.47saafiDimmuR: You are wrong
13:40.51purpleopticDimmuR, they work on intel too :P
13:40.54StereoDimmuR: no, just like i386 kernels aren't just for intel 386 processors :)
13:41.05saafiAMD64 is for amd and intel
13:41.15saafiit sounds stupid but it is
13:41.22DimmuRi didn't say it's working only on amd -it's designed = have some options in kernel for amd
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13:41.49saafiamd where the first to introduce tah 64bit arch
13:41.52DimmuRlike you can compile kernel with or without scsi, some chipsets etc
13:41.54saafithat's why
13:41.55jellysaafi: there is some difference.  It's best to test your workload for yourself, things may be faster or slower on amd64.
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13:42.24saafi(sorry for the bad english)
13:42.25nsadminamd64 is for intel core2duo and (well) amd64
13:42.46nsadminmaybe there are more, but at least there are those
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13:43.26saafiI am wonder to if I can benefit some more performance if I install amd64 debian
13:43.32Titan8990nsadmin, iirc the intel started 64bit on desktop CPUs on the later pentium 4s
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13:44.17nsadminTitan8990: but do those processors run with amd64 binaries?
13:44.52nsadminsaafi: what's being said to you here and now, is "maybe, maybe not, depending on what the program is"
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13:45.08jellysaafi: we can't possibly answer that.  Some apps are faster.  Some are not.  Most take more RAM.
13:45.12saafiwell i guess no one knows :) are you guys running only 32bit processors ? hahah
13:45.15qwdsaafi: there isn't a big difference for me. you probably won't notice anything. I'm running amd64.
13:45.47saafiOK
13:45.49nsadminsaafi: I guess no one knows what your specific requirements are. do you know?
13:45.58saafiit is like the theory of relativity
13:45.59saafi:-D
13:46.05jellysaafi: "no one knows" because you haven't given enough data.
13:46.05saafimaybe not maybe yes
13:46.06qwdsaafi: I know there's a benchmark for 64bit ubuntu vs 32bit ubuntu if you're interested
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13:46.16saafimaybe no one knows :)
13:46.25saafimaybe maybe :)
13:46.36jellysaafi: best thing to do at this point is to to benchmarks yourself.
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13:46.43jellyto do*
13:46.49nsadminsaafi: so you're asking for the general case of all programs, and that's a trick question
13:46.54_kaziemintel core2duo = amd64?
13:46.55saafijelly: good point
13:47.20saafiqwd : tell me some link
13:47.21jellyonly knows that perl takes a lot more RAM for hash-heavy scripts
13:47.29qwdsaafi: google.com
13:47.32saafihahah
13:47.33saafi:)
13:47.51nsadmin_kaziem: yep
13:48.17nsadmin_kaziem: you can install amd64 arch on a core2duo
13:48.21saafiyes I also know that something somewhere is not like you think it is ...link : google.com :-D
13:48.34saafiqwd
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13:49.44saafiDebian maintainers should change the AMD64 name to x86_64
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13:49.48saafisomething like that
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13:50.31aiyuwhen i run conky to show logs, it shows permission denied, is it possible for me to show logs in conky without logging in as root
13:51.05qwdsaafi: it was created by amd so they get the credit. there are different x86-64 specifications and that one is called amd64
13:51.06mikeb123trying to get snmp running on etch... did apt-get install snmp snmpd , now can not find snmp.conf ,should be in /etc/snmp but can only find snmpd.conf
13:51.12nsadminaiyu: the log dir is chmodded so no one can see inside
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13:51.31saafiqwd but still sounds confusing
13:51.40aiyunsadmin, will there be any problem if i chmod it
13:51.47Morpheussis live helper compatible with ubuntu's casper ?
13:52.36nsadminMorpheuss: are either of those debian?
13:53.18nsadminaiyu: better you find out exactly what /var/log is chmodded to
13:53.28nsadminand what group and owner
13:53.59aiyunsadmin, how can do that, i am new
13:54.08dvinchiaiyu, manç
13:54.08dvinchiaiyu, man
13:54.28aiyudvinchi, which page
13:54.33nsadminaiyu: what command lists files?
13:54.52aiyunsadmin, ?
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13:55.12nsadminwhat command do you use to see the files in your current dir?
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13:55.18aiyudir
13:55.30nsadmintry that
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13:56.23Titan8990never knew there was a dir command as part of coreutils
13:56.39nsadminhmm. alias maybe?
13:56.50MrDustyHey guys, what steps should I take to securing my Debian 5 server.  I plan to run Apache (web), Postfix/dovecot (mail), ssh (scp/sftp/ssh).  At the moment it is  bare server minimal install and I am going to build it up as I go a long, but first I want to put some thought into security, can anyone point me in the right direction of some good reading material, tips, tricks from people that have already thought about this? I am googling a
13:56.50MrDustynd found many tutorials but am not entirley sure how worthy the content is..
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13:57.12Titan8990!harden
13:57.12dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, harden is D:SbD or http://d-sbd.alioth.debian.org/ or read http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ or ask me about <security> <security backports> <tracker of doom>
13:57.20nsadminnope it has a man page
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13:57.36Titan8990nsadmin, yeah, i saw. I wander how exactly it differs from ls
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13:57.55nsadminprobably its name :) silly, huh?
13:58.24nsadminbut dir is definitely in coreutils?
13:58.25aiyui nsadmin, it just lists files
13:58.40Titan8990nsadmin, according to apt-file, yes
13:58.51MrDustyTitan8990, Thank you, very much appriciated.
13:58.55MrDusty!security
13:58.55dpkgPut "deb http://security.debian.org lenny/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable.  Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade" (or "aptitude dist-upgrade" if the updates are kept back).  Also ask me about <oldstable security>, <testing security>, <unstable security>.
13:59.01MrDusty!security backports
13:59.02dpkgDebian incorporates security fixes into the version currently in <stable>.  This is non-trivial so it may take a couple days.  Backporting security fixes means that you can update the package without problems like changed behaviour that would come with updating to a new version of the software.  The upstream version number doesn't change in the Debian package when this is done; check the changelog or the <tracker of doom>.
13:59.05MrDusty!tracker of doom
13:59.06dpkgrumour has it, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ or  http://www.debian.org/security/crossreferences
13:59.07Titan8990nsadmin, the man page also points to info coreutils Â’dir invocationÂ’
13:59.18Titan8990!tell MrDusty about selftell
13:59.38nsadminhmm, so dir may be different
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14:00.18nsadminwhistles innocently...
14:00.32aiyunsadmin, :)
14:00.53MrDustysorry guys
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14:01.34nsadminaiyu: so you want to have it list the files in a more verbose way
14:02.12nsadminalso you want info on just the dir /var/log and not the files in that dir
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14:02.23Titan8990nsadmin, `dir' is equivalent to `ls -C -b'; that is, by default files are listed in columns, sorted vertically, and special characters are represented by backslash escape sequences.
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14:03.13Titan8990anyone know why a backtick + single quote is used there in the documentation? `dir'?
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14:03.38aiyunsadmin, yes i just want /var/log
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14:03.59aiyunsadmin, will there be any problem if i let it have global access
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14:04.29Titan8990aiyu, what is your reason for doing that?
14:04.32nsadminaiyu: so now you have some more info. look at the man page to see how you can use dir to see more about the files
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14:05.25aiyutitan8990, i want conky to show logs, but it shows permission denied
14:05.36aiyunsadmin, ok thanks
14:06.45hikenboothello I want to secure erase a hard drive (over write it like 10 times) is there a program that i can run from the live cd that will do this . I have found secure file delete programs but none for secure erase of the hard drive..perhaps cat /random or somthing?
14:07.01Titan8990hikenboot, DBAN
14:07.21Titan8990ah, we have a factoid
14:07.23Titan8990!dban
14:07.23dpkgDarik's Boot and Nuke (DBAN) is a self-contained boot floppy/CD that securely wipes the hard disks of most computers (x86, x86-64, powerpc).  DBAN will automatically and completely delete the contents of any hard disk that it can detect, which makes it an appropriate utility for bulk or emergency data destruction.  http://www.dban.org/faq
14:07.52hikenbootTitan8990, will this destroy the hard drive or will it still be usable afterwards?
14:08.02nsadminI know a guy who was so paranoid about the info put on his hd, he had me physically destroy the drive
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14:08.08poisonbitapt-get install wipe from the livecd
14:08.10Titan8990hikenboot, it will just write random data to it a few times
14:08.14poisonbitthe hard disk _is a file_
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14:08.17Stereohikenboot: you can reformat them afterwards
14:08.25hikenbootok thanks guys!
14:08.29Stereonsadmin: we do that with broken customer drives
14:08.34Titan8990nsadmin, thats what a lot of government agencies are supposed to do. melt the platters
14:08.36Stereodrill through them
14:08.46Stereoalthough I'd like to get a shredder for them
14:08.57Stereowe also harvest the magnets from them
14:09.04nsadminmy shredder does CDs :)
14:09.22StereoI attach them to a string and go fishing for coins in fountains, or random stuff in the Seine
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14:09.27aiyunsadmin: it shoes group as adm
14:10.29nsadminaiyu: OK, what are the group permissions? the owner is root?
14:10.43aiyunsadmin: i am currently a normal account. not root
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14:11.15Titan8990aiyu, he meant who is the owner of the file
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14:11.36aiyutitan8990, how can i find it?
14:11.38nsadminmaybe you can put yourself in the adm group
14:11.56Titan8990aiyu, same way you found out group
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14:12.29nsadminif the permissions for adm are sufficiently permissive, your user will then be able to read logs
14:12.32Titan8990aiyu, drwxr-xr-x 20 root     root     4096 2009-12-17 06:25 log
14:12.42Titan8990aiyu, there it is owned by the root user and the root group
14:13.02nsadminTitan8990: with those perms, you should be able to read your logs
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14:13.26nsadminor at the very least see the filenames of them
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14:13.30Titan8990nsadmin, his should be the same, I have not altered perms from default
14:13.53aiyutitan8990: i cant see the second name, theres only one
14:14.10aiyutitan8990: i did dir -g
14:15.22Titan8990aiyu, start using ls
14:15.28aiyutitan8990: its root admin
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14:15.57Titan8990aiyu, admin?
14:16.05Titan8990aiyu, what version of debian is this?
14:16.16aiyutitan8990, adm
14:16.36aiyutitan8990, lenny
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14:22.31pomI currently have a problem where the kernel whacks mysql because it uses too much memory. This happens as convert runs to merge 36 1600x1200 images, which of course is memory intense. I cant activate swap, because that makes the problem even worse. Can I limit converts allowed memory limit so that if anything, convert gets killed instead.
14:22.59pomUntil we get more mem into the machine that is.
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14:24.22aiyuhow can i add a current user to superuser?
14:24.54rgrpom: why would you ask it to convert 36 huge images like that at the same time?
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14:25.32abrotmanaiyu: su ?
14:25.49abrotmanrgr: it's trying to merge the images
14:25.50aiyuabrotman , yes to permanently add a username to su
14:25.52pomrgr: http://www.coolstuff.se/wrap.php?productID=264&mediaID=2040
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14:26.06abrotmanaiyu: you want them to always be root ?
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14:26.33aiyuyes
14:26.34pomrgr: Source images are large.
14:26.41abrotmanaiyu: very bad idea .. don't do that
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14:26.44rgrpom : but at the same time as opposed to sequentially. I'm not with you. Why in parallel.
14:27.02abrotmanpom: how much memory does the system have?
14:27.03pomrgr: Love for oneliners? I'm open for suggestions.
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14:27.12aiyuabrotman , is there any difference in access permission between root and su
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14:27.16pomabrotman: 2G. 8G arriving tomorrow.
14:27.42abrotmanaiyu: do NOT run as root all the time .. it's a *very* bad habit
14:27.44abrotmanthis is not windows
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14:27.58abrotmanpom: and you cannot merge say .. 12 then 12 then 12 ?
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14:28.40aiyuabrotman , i need conky to show /var/log/messages. but since i am not root , it shows permission denied, is there any way i could grant access only to this file
14:28.40pomabrotman: Yes. But I don't want to.
14:28.46abrotmanpom: of course .. then trying to merge the result would probably kill it
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14:28.54abrotmanpom: do they have to stay 1600x1200 ?
14:29.02pomabrotman: pretty much, yes.
14:29.10abrotmanaiyu: yes, look at the group ownership
14:29.11rgrabrotman : you dont think that is what I was getting at? The question still stands : why the need to merge 36 images simultaneously. And what for? The link does not suggest why you need to do that and why the images are so large.
14:29.13pomWe have about 150 zip files uploaded already.
14:29.23abrotmanrgr: because he wants to .. good enough ?
14:29.35pomI could probably solve it by rewriting code. But until tomorrow, I just want to avoid mysql-whackings.
14:29.40rgrSigh. one day you wont be on my back.
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14:29.46abrotmani can't read the link .. it's not a language i understand .. so i have no idea what it says
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14:30.03rgrpom: I dont see how you can avoid it if you insist on doign 26 converts in parallel.
14:30.04abrotmansigh .. you won't be here ...
14:30.07rgr36 even :-;
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14:30.35rgrWhat is the convert for? One format to another? You cant store in the destination format too?
14:30.44abrotmanpom: and you won't enable swap because it runs slower? or because it kills mysql even faster ?
14:30.50pomrgr: It has been working nicely until a couple of days ago. Guess we just hit the limit as the database has been scaling up rapidly during christmas shopping.
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14:31.33rgrpom: can I ask what the converts are for? I dont understand that part. I've done a fair bit of server side programming and maybe can suggest another way if I can understand why and what you are doing.
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14:31.38pomabrotman: If a activate swap the kernel thinks swapping is a good idea. THat brings up wa ultimately slowing down everything to a halt.
14:31.55abrotmanpom: because it's swapping out all the images because you've exhausted RAM
14:32.23pomrgr: Well, we are merging 36 images to make one tall JPEG that we use as a CSSsprite and which has it's offset move, making the image turn in 360.
14:32.40rgrit would. Swap is slow. But without it you get your process KOd :-) A trade off. The simple fact is you are asking the system to do too much at the same time. That is the base of the issue. No way around that other than to addres why and to see how you can reduce the load.
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14:32.50pomrgr: We could probably convert them to the correct height one by one, then merge them.
14:33.07pomBut as I said. FOr now, I'd rather just wait for the memory.
14:33.34abrotmanpom: that's why i asked if they had to stay 1600x1200
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14:34.20pomabrotman: Yes. We want to be able to scale up in the future without repackaging the images in zip-files.
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14:34.22lontrais there a way for me to set the dpi to 96 when X starts?
14:34.23rgrThat sounds rather silly. Why not run an overnight job and merge them into ONE gif or something once and only once. It will only need 0.25 % more hard drive. Chucking memory at it still wont save the CPU which is doing one hell of a lot fo work especially with multiple connections.
14:34.33pomabrotman: Ok, sorry, I understand which angle you're coming from now.
14:34.40pomAnd, the new answer is: no.
14:34.48abrotmanpom: so downsize, then merge ?
14:35.03pomabrotman: Good idea: yes. Don't have time today.
14:35.20aiyuabrotman: will there be any issue if i just chmod  /var/logs/messages to 004
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14:35.29abrotmanaiyu: don't freaking do that ..
14:35.41abrotmanaiyu: i told you how to do what oyu wanted
14:36.02abrotmanpom: http://lwn.net/Articles/317814/ .. perhaps ?
14:36.26aiyuabrotman: its group is adm
14:36.30abrotmanpom: you can tune the mysqld process to -16 so it's the last thing killed
14:36.36pomabrotman: looks promising. Will have look!
14:36.37pomThanks.
14:36.38abrotman-17 means don't kill it
14:36.45abrotman(i'd guess that'd be a bad thing)
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14:37.12abrotmanaiyu: you could add your user to the adm group ..
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14:37.32rgrpom: ps, I think the dog tongue thing is cool :-)
14:37.42aiyuabrotman, still with maintain my current user as non-root?
14:37.51aiyumaintaining*
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14:38.13pomrgr: I'll send you one if you're nice to me, then. ;)
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14:38.45MrTorquehi. what is the better choice: raid 1 or doing daily backups (i got only two hds)?
14:38.46abrotmanaiyu: yes, you'd have to logout/login to see that take effect .. but if you add your *normal* user to the adm group, you should be able to read those logs
14:39.05abrotmanMrTorque: RAID is not an alternative to backup
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14:40.02MrTorqueabrotman: backup is kind of time-machine, but both ensures that you encounter only little or no data-loss
14:40.29abrotmanMrTorque: i was just saying that even using RAID, you should still have a backup
14:40.33rgrpom: but while I guess it would take some restructuring, it does seem rather a large overhead to remerge/convert 36 images for each connection if I understood you correctly. Nice looking site btw, crisp and clean.
14:40.53pomrgr: It's cached of course.
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14:41.13Titan8990MrTorque, RAID protects and against drive failure... and thats about it. Backups can allow you to restore accidently deleted files, recovery from bad system changes, recover from corrupt data or filesystem
14:41.16Titan8990MrTorque, etc
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14:41.29rgrstill, for the sake of one more image store :-;
14:41.37aiyuabrotman: how can i add my current user to adm group, what is the command line
14:41.54abrotmanaiyu: man adduser
14:41.57pomrgr: Image store? We sell plastic crap. :)
14:42.01GattoDiSchrodingi tested the disk where grub is installed with smart. i got some errors: http://pastebin.ca/1718211
14:42.05abrotmanisn't that tongue rubber ?
14:42.06rgrMrTorque: I really recommend rsnapshot. Incremental backups however often you like. Really, really good.
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14:42.13GattoDiSchrodingcould be the cause of the GRUB error 21?
14:42.27pomabrotman: Yes, it's still "plastic crap".
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14:42.52aiyuabrotman: thanks
14:43.02ueu001I have trouble accesing the main site, is it my problem?
14:43.08abrotmanueu001: ask #ubuntu
14:43.23abrotmanueu001: or which 'main site' ?
14:43.25MrTorqueso what do you recommend, i have two 500GB plates. i do yet not exactly know how much data there will be in one or two years.. maybe 200GB in the first year, then less since most docs will be edited.
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14:43.28rgrpom: Hey, you know something like a ripped off baby's arm instead of the tongue would be pretty evil :-))))) I just patented that idea ....
14:43.31ueu001abrotman: debian.org
14:43.42abrotmanueu001: it's working fine here
14:43.47pomrgr: Hahaha, that _would_ be fun!
14:43.57ueu001abrotman: Okay, I will check things on my end.
14:44.01Titan8990MrTorque, imo, i would set up a raid1 and then backup to a network location
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14:44.56MrTorquergr: is the use of rsnapshot easy?
14:44.57iceroot_ueu001: freenode
14:44.58Titan8990ueu001, there ddos freenode, not just debian
14:45.12Titan8990MrTorque, its just a perl wrapper around rsync
14:45.33jellyMrTorque: and yes, it is somewhat easier than rsync.
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14:45.51MrTorquei once used rsync...
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14:47.16rgrMrTorque: yes and no. It has the most confusing explanations of the backup periods imaginable. BUT its one config file and is auto "cron"ed. Theres a few tutorials too. Any hassle give me a ping.
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14:48.07rgrI have it backing up 3 machines onto one  : connects using rsync and ssh to the remote ones. Never an issue.
14:48.11MrTorquergr: i'll come back to that, thanks.
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14:50.31rgrMrTorque: and it maintains a configured amount too e,g hourly.0, hourly.1, daily.0, weekly.0, weekly.1 etc which it auto "shifts" up. e.g I have a symbolic link in my home directory called "lastbackup" which links to hourly.0. Any accidental "whoops" and I just pop into hourly.0 to redeem myself :-)
14:50.51jellyrgr: remote passwordless ssh to root?  What could go wrong!
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14:51.58rgrpretty much nothing since the back up server is "secure" .. ie in front of me :-; Those machines do not have passwordless ssh into this one though for obvious reasons.
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14:52.38MrTorquei need first to set up the raid, then i will look into rsnapshot
14:53.09rgrMrTorque: I would suggest the other way around in case the raid set up hurts your drives. It has been known.
14:54.12MrTorquergr: no problem, it is a recently set up system
14:54.17MrTorqueno data on it at all.
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14:54.38rgrgood luck. raid etc is fun. You might consider using mirroring in LVM too.
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14:57.50MrTorquehm, i encounter the first problem... do i first encrypt the sdb and sdc and create then the raid or the other way round?
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14:58.48abrotmanusing swraid ?
14:59.03abrotmani'd think you'd want to create the raid, then encrypt that
14:59.37MrTorqueyes, swraid.
14:59.41jellywe could encrypt it TWICE for extra security!
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15:00.03jellyhates [15:59] <Kinder_Surprise> jelly meant: he could encrypt it TWICE for extra security!
15:01.02meuasorry for the stupid question but... i can't find the download page for the sid version...
15:01.38ctmjrmeua: there is no official download for sid
15:01.41jellymeua: there is none.
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15:02.14meuaok... so there is no way to install it at first, i must install stable then put sid repository ?
15:02.19Titan8990meua, should be able to install sid using the expert mode of the lenny or squeeze installer
15:02.26abrotmanmeua: if oyu're asking how .. please do NOT use sid
15:02.35abrotman!sid upgrade
15:02.35dpkgRepeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE!  Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither.  Use <stable> or <testing> instead.
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15:03.00Titan8990thinks that should be changed to "Use <stable> instead"
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15:03.10Dumbixhi all
15:03.12DumbixMy /var/tmp get filled of many squidguard cache file today, now my hard drive is completely saturate :S
15:03.15meuathx
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15:07.59`jpgDumbix: :(
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15:09.55ngomeswhy those 2 package arent upgraded like the rest ?
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15:10.28Dumbixthis is my bug
15:10.30Dumbixhttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494281
15:10.39abrotman!tell ngomes about held back
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15:12.17beerkidwhats the command to see if cron is running?
15:12.30beerkidps -efw lgrep cron?
15:12.37rgrpidof cron
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15:12.44ambulihow to specify version number while apt-get install pkgname ??
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15:13.17Titan8990ambuli, there should only be one package version. if there is more than one, its from a different repo and you need to specify the repo with -t
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15:13.29rgror even "pgrep name".
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15:13.41angelawongHi. I am trying to install python_ldap on my debian server.  When I do apt-get install pypthon_ldap, I get python 2.3.5-1.  I need python_ldap 2.3.10.  Can I still use apt-get install to do so by pinning down the version?  If so, how?  Any advice would be most appreciated.  Thanks.
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15:14.39ambuliTitan8990, So, by default it installs the version from repo irrespective of the case if the version of same package in exist differs ?
15:15.01ambulii mean s/in exist/in machine
15:15.01nick_hi want to forward localhost:5900 to 10.1.9.131:5900. any idea what's wrong with this command?:
15:15.13nick_hssh -l nickh -N -T -L 5900:10.1.9.131:5900
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15:15.22nick_hwhen i run that, ssh just displays its usage details
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15:15.30beerkidrgr: so as long as it returns a number, its running
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15:15.52nick_hhah, n/m
15:15.55ootputnick_h: what's with the 5900:..
15:15.56qwdIn case anyone was wondering I got my Canon Powershot mounted in the end. gphoto2 --auto-detect to see if it was really there and then gphotofs <folder> to mount to a folder. then fusermount -u <folder> to unmunt.
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15:16.22Josh_I want to change the default permissions for all new files placed into a specific directory. I've read up on UMASK, but it appears that's a global setting, I only want this to affect new files placed into a *specific* directory. Any ideas?
15:16.26rgrit means there is a process "running". Whether that is doing what you want is another issue. But usually, in a well running system, yes. cron would normally always be there in a debian/linux system.
15:16.51joeytwiddleootput: that's his option to -L, to perform port-forwarding
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15:17.11Titan8990ambuli, if you are running lenny, aptitude install <package> will install from the lenny repos. if you wanted to install out of backports, aptitude -t lenny-backports <package>
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15:17.21beerkidhmm, how about an error log. would i be able to find that in a directory or do i need to turn on error logging
15:17.34Titan8990ambuli, err sorry, aptitude -t lenny-backports install <package>
15:17.45ootputjoeytwiddle: ah, righto
15:17.46ambuliok
15:18.24ootputJoshH: ACL?
15:18.27rgrJosh_: there is a way using gid and acl in google.
15:18.30Titan8990ambuli, if the package only existed in lenny-backports then aptitude install <package> will install it from backports
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15:18.38rgrhttp://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/applying-default-permissions-for-newly-created-files-within-a-specific-folder-605129/
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15:18.56rgrI dont know if there is a debian specific way.
15:20.37beerkidhow about a command that allows roots to access all files
15:20.47beerkidroot*
15:21.08beerkidi found an error log but no access to anything in the folder. i run into that problem a lot
15:21.32ootputbeerkid: root should have access to all
15:21.52Titan8990unless something dumb was done with chmod...
15:22.34beerkidTitan: that could've happened
15:22.37lmaowafflebeerkid: what are the directory permissions
15:22.47Titan8990beerkid, what file are you having trouble accessing?
15:23.14beerkidi cant get this cronjob to work and digging around for an error log
15:23.57lmaowafflebeerkid: if you've installed exim, you should already get mail
15:23.58Titan8990beerkid, alright.... find a/the file root can't access and let us know
15:24.22lmaowaffleor do process | tee -a path/to/log
15:24.27beerkidnearly all the files are locked though so i'd like to just grant permission for everything is possible
15:24.46Titan8990beerkid, did you install/configure SELinux?
15:24.48lmaowafflesounds bad
15:24.59beerkidno selinux
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15:25.15Titan8990beerkid, and what do you mean nearly all files?
15:25.19itsosimpohello
15:25.25Titan8990beerkid, give us an example
15:25.26beerkidtee: path/to/log no such file
15:25.51mrierahello
15:25.54Titan8990beerkid, read that again... he said path/to/log
15:26.04Titan8990beerkid, meaning you put your path to YOUR log there
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15:26.17itsosimpowhere can i edit the start up script so that my programs don't try to load automatically at boot?
15:26.27mrieracan someone help me put a third party network driver inside a debian installer ?  I need it to boot through pxe.
15:26.37ootputitsosimpo: rcconf
15:26.44Titan8990itsosimpo, which programs?
15:26.45itsosimpofor some reason i dont' have an rc.conf
15:27.03itsosimpotwo webbrowsers, pidgin, and one terminal
15:27.12beerkidTitan: Ahh, sorry I should've known
15:27.13Titan8990itsosimpo, KDE?
15:27.15ootputsounds like a gnome issue
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15:27.21itsosimpoand the webbrowsers try and load a link i opened years ago
15:27.31lmaowafflelol bizarre
15:27.33itsosimpoootput: someone mentioned that before, how do i resovle it?
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15:28.00rgrbeerkid: what do you mean exactly by cant get a cron job to work? cron does not run it or the command itself fails when started by cron? Whose crontab is it in? users or roots?
15:28.01Titan8990itsosimpo, gnome sessions setting likely
15:28.04ootputitsosimpo: I haven't used gnome in yonks, so I wouldn't know where the startup daemons can be found/toggled
15:28.38lmaowaffleitsosimpo: if you don't get an answer here, 99% sure you'll get one from #ubuntu
15:28.39beerkidits every file in /var/log/apache2/ that i dont have access to at the moment
15:29.05rgritsosimpo: system/preferences/startup applications. Check out the "remember" section too.
15:29.09beerkidrgr: im trying to get a php file to execute every hour
15:29.21rgrwhat is in your crontab?
15:29.23Titan8990lmaowaffle, why would he go to #ubuntu for issues with debian?
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15:29.38Titan8990lmaowaffle, we don't support ubuntu here, why would we expect or even want them to support debian?
15:29.45lmaowaffleTitan8990: technically it's not a debian issue
15:29.57rgrlmaowaffle: huh? Gnome does not run on Debian?
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15:30.21Titan8990lmaowaffle, its in debian packages, on a debian system
15:30.31Titan8990lmaowaffle, not ubuntu packages and not a ubuntu system
15:30.33lmaowaffleitsosimpo: is it?
15:30.37Titan8990lmaowaffle, if anything, recommend #gnome
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15:31.20lmaowafflethere's that
15:31.24itsosimpogee what is /usr/share/gnome/default.session supposed to look like?
15:31.37rgrwhichi doesnt make much sense either because of the plethora of platforms and versions  whereas here its almost certainly one of two :-;
15:31.48rgritsosimpo: did you do what I suggested from the menu?
15:31.48beerkidrgr: heres what i posted on stack overflow
15:31.51beerkidhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/1920094/how-to-write-this-simple-cronjob-in-linux-debian
15:31.55lmaowaffleI don't understand that emoticon
15:31.57jordsI'm having a problem with locales on my debian lenny boxes. Accessing the locale information through php, mon_decimal_point and mon_thousands_sep are empty. decimal_point is set to a ., but thousends_sep is also empty. I have tried with various different locales ie en_US, en_GB, and en_NZ and all have the same result.
15:32.01itsosimpohere's mine http://pastebin.com/m47ab507
15:32.06beerkidsomeone said to check messages in my debian email but no idea how to access it
15:32.29rgrbeerkid: write a wrapper which calls php explicitly.
15:32.29Titan8990beerkid, and what is your answer to that comment?
15:32.38Titan8990beerkid, /var/spool/mail/root
15:32.47itsosimpoi don't have startup applications
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15:32.59beerkidthanks
15:33.03lmaowaffleitsosimpo: are you using a ~/.xsession file?
15:33.05Titan8990itsosimpo, yes, but there is a checkbox that says to save session
15:33.22itsosimpoi have System/Administration/STartup MAnager
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15:33.37beerkidcouldnt display  /var/spool/mail/root
15:33.42beerkiddamn
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15:35.03rgritsosimpo: but you have gnome? Strange.
15:35.06petemcbeerkid: cron jobs are logged in syslog
15:35.07itsosimpoi see an .xsession-errors file but no .xsession
15:35.21rgrsystem/preferences not admin.
15:35.54ctmjrbeerkid just type mail in a termina
15:36.11beerkidno mail for root
15:36.35Titan8990beerkid, pastebin the php file
15:37.03itsosimporgr: yep no startup apps in system/preferences
15:37.24Titan8990itsosimpo, it doesn't sound like startup apps
15:37.26itsosimpoi do have ssession prefrences though
15:37.32Titan8990itsosimpo, its a *saved session*
15:37.37rgrthen run gnome-session-properties from the command line and check.
15:37.48itsosimpoTitan8990: yea thats right
15:38.08rgryou can edit the saved sessions/startup from this dialog.
15:38.08beerkidTitan: http://pastebin.com/d749d7c46
15:38.31lmaowaffleif there's absolutely nothing he needs to retain from his saved setup, can't he remove gnome dotfiles completely? ie start fresh?
15:38.45Titan8990beerkid, that file has no shebang and can not be directly executed... did you try to run it by itself?
15:38.56lmaowaffleit might be hard for him  to chase such files down
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15:39.34itsosimpook i set it to automatically save sessions when i log out
15:39.34itsosimporeboot bbl
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15:39.35Titan8990beerkid, and I don't know php but even so... that code doesn't look human readable
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15:39.38rgrexactly. the gui admin tool is far better IMO and defends against erroneously deleting the wrong gnome files. Gnome rc files are notoriously soread about.
15:39.53rgrthought it would be that.
15:40.33rgrbeerkid: did you call php specifically in the cron job like I said?
15:40.35Titan8990but idk, maybe its normal in php to have a big glob of variable = variable...
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15:40.57beerkidyes, well it runs if i add a parameter to the end of it
15:41.09rgrperfectly normal php.
15:41.14lmaowafflebeerkid: you're using tab complete for nicks, right?
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15:41.32beerkidcan you rephrase lmao?
15:41.32ootputlmaowaffle: that'd depend on the client
15:41.49ctmjrgnome back to default settings rm -rf .gnome .gnome2 .gconf .gconfd .metacity then reboot
15:42.10lmaowafflebeerkid: are you typing out the entire nick of the recipient?
15:42.30rgrbeerkid: to save time in future, create a wrapper script e.g "myphpscript", chmod it to 755, stick it your ~/bin or wherever and then add that as your cron job. That script will specifically call php "my.php" and take all the guesswork about whether the cron session knows how to run .php files or not.
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15:44.33beerkidrgr: I think I will do that because I cant figure out this cron thing.
15:44.54rgrits a lot easier with self contsined scripts since you can more easily test them from the your command line.
15:44.59rgrcontained
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15:45.39lmaowafflergr: won't he still need to be concerned about correct env vars too?
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15:45.56rgrwhy? i didnt see any there.
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15:46.51rgrtypically the script starts with #!/bin/bash anyway.
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15:47.08beerkidHow long does a php wrapper take to write? Asking because Im going to post a small job on Odesk and need to set a bid price.
15:47.41lmaowafflebeerkid: you shouldn't have to pay for it
15:47.55lmaowafflebeerkid: or for anything w/ linux, really
15:48.02rgrHang on. I mean a simple one/two liner. #!/bin/bash, php /path/to/php-file.
15:49.30beerkidyeah, I google'd php wrapper and the results are always jumbled forum posts
15:49.42beerkidwhen I look up tech stuff
15:49.58osfdHi guys, anyone using debian with kde4 ?
15:50.05beerkidill ask in #php
15:50.20abrotmanit's ##php
15:50.24abrotmanosfd: lots of people
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15:50.46osfdabrotman: hhmm, you ?
15:50.51abrotmannot a chance
15:50.57itsosimpook fixed, thanks guys
15:51.01osfdabrotman: damn..!
15:51.05itsosimpoi'm trying to clean up my distro for the new year
15:51.05abrotmanosfd: just ask your real question
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15:52.03osfdabrotman: is it working well, shall I expect bugs like I've seen in the pokemon-ubuntu distro...
15:52.03itsosimpoi have some more questions: what happens if i don't have /etc/rc.conf?
15:52.07rgritsosimpo: som gnome-session-properties did it?
15:52.08lmaowaffleitsosimpo: i've heard about such tradition w/ house-cleaning for superstitious reasons.. any for the computer?
15:52.32osfdabrotman: is it possible to have kde4 alongside with kde3
15:52.32itsosimporgr: yes
15:52.38rgrgreat :-;
15:52.46itsosimpolmaowaffle: i guess the same principle applies to my computer
15:52.50abrotmanosfd: not that i'm aware, and some people say it's buggy .. some do not
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15:53.00itsosimpolmaowaffle: just want to start off the year organized
15:53.16lmaowaffleitsosimpo: heh
15:53.19abrotmanosfd: you could just try it
15:53.20osfdabrotman: one huge step ;)
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15:53.54itsosimpohm, so i don't have an /etc/rc.conf
15:54.04lmaowaffleitsosimpo: debian doesn't use it
15:54.17lmaowafflenot sure if they did in the past.. a lot of other distros and BSDs still do
15:54.19itsosimpooh okay, good. then i won't bother with it
15:54.31osfdabrotman: what about the kde4/kde3 install ?
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15:54.43abrotmanosfd: i answered you
15:54.49itsosimpoi also notice that my boot script says it's not finding a swap partition
15:54.55itsosimpobut i did make one
15:55.07abrotmanosfd: you may want to ask #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net
15:55.28osfdabrotman: oh, ok, I did not get it...I'll do it
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15:55.57abrotmanosfd: i'm not even sure why you'd want both on your system
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15:57.46itsosimpoi think i've tried a swapon command before
15:57.49itsosimpobut that didn't work
15:57.51itsosimpoi will try it again
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16:01.09osfdabrotman: not even sure myself I do but I feel like one day it's gonna be unavoidable
16:01.19abrotmanosfd: uhm .. to run kde3 and kde4 ?
16:01.27abrotmanhow is that unavoidable?
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16:03.12osfdabrotman: kde4 and unavoidable because I'm so used to it and like it so much I don't wanna change. I don't mean this is the best, just the one I prefer
16:03.41abrotmanosfd: right.. so jump in with both feet .. just switch now .. go to gnome! :)
16:04.09abrotmanosfd: squeeze will not have kde3 .. so you probably want to get used to kde4 now
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16:06.15osfdabrotman: squeeze will be released in, say, 2 years...I have plenty of time
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16:10.13abrotmanosfd: sooner than that
16:11.06osfdabrotman: 1 year...
16:11.11P_Kableis there a free tool for backups that will be the same type as netvault ?
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16:11.44lmaowaffleosfd: even less
16:12.21lmaowaffleosfd: more unemployed devs to devote their time to nurturing Debian :)
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16:13.22osfdlmaowaffle: we'll see....the later the better
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16:13.58lmaowaffleosfd: what don't you like about kde4 anyway?
16:14.04cosmoshello guys
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16:14.17cosmosI have a question:
16:14.38lmaowafflewrong, that's a colon
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16:15.05joltcan:)
16:15.09osfdlmaowaffle: by the time I tested it it was very unstable and I feel like it's still that way
16:16.15lmaowafflecosmos: but seriously, what is it?
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16:17.02cosmosI want to use a bash script in order to launch a python script, but I would like also to have a terminal output. At the end I use a launcher from the main menu, so, how to do that;
16:17.04cosmoshttp://pastebin.com/d3112cf67
16:17.40rgrosfd: but what features do you use that makes it so indispensable? I ask because I rarely use Gnome features per se and just various apps. The features I use would be easily learnt little things like keys to open certain dialogs etc.
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16:19.49gniourf_gniourf_cosmos, man gnome-terminal, have a look at options -e or -x
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16:20.26HackeMatehello, how can i know the motherboard model i am using?
16:20.36HackeMatei dont know local access to the computer
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16:21.15MrTorqueHackeMate: try lspci for the chipsets and google
16:21.20StereoHackeMate: lshw or something like that
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16:22.07Stereoyeah, lshw lists the motherboard model
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16:26.10HackeMatehey, thank you, it worked
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16:30.44cosmosam I clear?
16:30.55cosmosis it possible to launch a gnome-terminal and to automatically write some lines in?
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16:30.59cosmoswith a bash script?
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16:33.15magyar_hi, i have iceweasel running on lenny, i have java plug-in installed, but it doesn't seem to work. It opens the java window and all i sees is "loading applet"
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16:38.18rgrcosmos: you mean run a command? or just put some text on the first line with no "return"?
16:38.44icebraindoes debian provide a curses or cli based calendar app that supports iCal format?
16:39.04cosmosrgr: yes, I want to run a command with return
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16:39.49rgrit was not a "yes" question. Lets clarify : you want the terminal to open and then "see" the command at the prompt?
16:40.07cosmosyes
16:40.46cosmosan then an automatic "return"
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16:40.58doubleclic_omg
16:41.04doubleclic_:)
16:41.24rgrthen afaik no. the gnome-terminal mailing list or whatever would help more with that. You can of course run a command as an option to gnome-terminal using -x. Must it be gnome-terminal? I moved to xterm. I doubt that can do what you want either.
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16:49.07osfdrgr: just wanna try...nothing wrong about that
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16:50.47rgrwell, gnome is not as complicated as KDE and mixing versions up causes havoc. I'm nto a fan of KDE in the first place but mixing versions of that (what is already a directionaless mess) is liable to create real havoc :-) Good luck though if you go for it.
16:50.52Morbusg'day. i have never used debian before. just testing out an AMazon EC2 instance. is there anything, by default, that would stop debian from accessing *out* to port, say, 4155?
16:51.10Morbusi don't see anything in iptables, at all, and the box can connect to out 22 no problem.
16:51.39Morbusit never times out to 4155 or anything. just sits there waitng forever.
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16:54.07d1bMorbus: no idea re EC2 images.
16:54.15d1bthey might have restrictions on the network..
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16:54.32Morbusd1b: nah, i've other ec2 images doing the 4155 dance no problem.
16:54.46Morbusso, there's nothing default in debian or whatever that'd do something silly like that?
16:54.55Morbusthat's all i'm looking for. i'm pretty sure the answer is no.
16:55.03Morbusjust need someone familiar to pat me on mah head.
16:55.06d1bMorbus: not really.
16:55.13Morbusand then i can ask "what the hell happened to less?" ;)
16:55.21petemcnothing
16:55.26d1bMorbus: try more :P
16:55.32Morbusmore doesn't let me go up.
16:55.42petemcwhats preventing you from using less?
16:55.46module000Morbus: you probably just don't have it in whatever cookie-cutter-image of debian EC2 is providing.  apt-get it
16:55.48MorbusdomU-12-31-39-02-30-01:~# less
16:55.48Morbus-bash: less: command not found
16:55.56petemc!installit
16:55.56dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already.  If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it.  Also ask me about <search>.  If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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16:56.14Morbusfair enough. so used to having it installed by default.
16:56.15Morbusty.
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17:05.01Morbusnewb debian user again: what package is sudoers in, and is there a wheel-like group?
17:06.32Morbussudo. great. ;)
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17:22.38LimCorehow to tell OS that users foo and bar can edit all files in /shared/  no matter what is the chmod there?  Because files there will be also inserted via sshfs which screws over file ownership
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17:24.21jellyMorbus: yet another issues solved by the amazing #debian channel! We aim to please!
17:24.26Morbus:)
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17:24.45Morbusi've long ago believed the quickest way to any answer is to ask it in front of 894 people.
17:24.55jellyFACT: #d makes you smarter
17:25.00Morbusthe amount of people proportionately quickens the amount of time you find it seconds after you ask it.
17:25.23ikoniaLimCore: are you using debian or ubuntu
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17:25.50LimCoreikonia: ubuntu debian and gentoo and centos
17:26.00LimCoremosntly ubuntu and centos
17:26.02jellyweird os.
17:26.05ikoniaLimCore: so this problem is across all of the distros ?
17:26.23jellyLimCore: stupid solution: chmod/own in cron.
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17:26.46LimCoreikonia: ACLs and chmod behavriour is same probably even for all UNIXes here
17:27.12ikoniaLimCore: I didn't realiase this was a shared directory, that's why I was asking
17:27.12jellyLimCore: but you only have Linuxes, so it doesn't matter anyway
17:27.29ikoniaLimCore: why don't you pastebin the output of ls -la on the directory so we can see how you currently have it set
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17:29.24d1bLimCore: you can force gid/uid via sshfs.
17:29.27d1bwhat's the issue?
17:29.51d1berh not force * but suggest *
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17:30.15LimCore-rw-r--r--  1 files files    5 2009-12-17 18:29 test
17:30.16LimCore-rw-r--r--  1 rafal rafal    1 2009-12-17 18:28 test2
17:30.53ikoniaLimCore: and what is the situation you want to happen to these files ?
17:30.58LimCoreso the problem is ofcourse that files created by "FTP user" (or rather, sshfs user) have other ownership, and files are create by default with  g-w where I would need to have by default g+w
17:30.58d1bLimCore: you can use -o  uid=n -o gid=n
17:30.59ikoniajust so I fully understand
17:31.05d1bso you could set a group.
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17:31.27LimCoreikonia: that all files, created by unix user files or rafal can be rwx by either of them. both users are in same group files
17:31.36ikoniaLimCore: I see what you're saying now
17:31.55LimCoreand so that the above also works for all new directories, files etc, without calling  sudo chmod -R g+w manually all the tikme
17:32.09jellymanually?
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17:32.17jellycron's there for a reason!
17:32.21LimCored1b: I can? ok I will look into that as one of colutions
17:32.38LimCorejelly: yeah ;) still its obviously a bad work around, so how to do it correctly
17:32.48ikoniaLimCore: cheap trick would be to setgid on the directory
17:32.59LimCorehow exactly it will work?
17:33.08LimCorewill new sub-dirs also inherit it ?
17:33.08jellyikonia: setgid doesn't account for files created with g-w
17:33.11ikoniaLimCore: the files will take the group ownership of the set directory
17:33.48ikoniajelly: he's not got g-w as I read it
17:34.38LimCoreikonia: this files do not have group write by default as in the paste above
17:34.40jellyaight, if the file creating users always have umask 002, it'll work
17:34.57LimCorethe files are as pasted above, this is how applications create them
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17:35.06ikoniaLimCore: setgid would be a nice trick then
17:35.22LimCoreikonia: so what command to run on the top directory?
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17:35.52LimCorehmm I did g+s
17:36.33ikoniag+s should do it
17:36.46ikonia(that will only do group permissions though)
17:36.55ikoniayou'd need to use setuid for owner
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17:37.32LimCorewhat exactly does group suid do?
17:37.39LimCorethere is no clear explanation of this afaik
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17:37.58jellyLimCore: newly created files get the same group as the directory
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17:38.47simonrvnantgel!
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17:39.21LimCorejelly: the same group permission (for example "r,x") as the owning directory you mean?  And also newly created sub directories get the same group suid flag?
17:40.21jellyLimCore: the group ownership, not the permission bits.  Those depend on their umask.
17:40.36ikoniaLimCore: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid
17:40.36jelly!permissions
17:40.36dpkgFor more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232>
17:40.45simonrvnsetgid, setuid ... is that so hard to figure out? set group uid doesn't make sense.
17:40.48ikonianot a bad highlevel explination there
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17:41.41abrotmanisn't he asking about not-debian ?
17:42.19ikoniapartly debian
17:42.36ikoniahe's asked in #ubuntu/#debian/##linux, I guess ##linux could have been technically the best
17:42.37jellyabrotman: it's not a debian-specific issue
17:43.04abrotmanyes .. but which OS is actually trying to solve this on
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17:43.16LimCoreabrotman: he is right here you can ask him
17:43.18jellyif the channel only allowed debian-specific crap, I'd leave immediately
17:43.41abrotmancrap? you don't like Debian?
17:44.05jellyI don't like oversensitive topic nazis.
17:44.16markybob_jelly careful.  time to slow down
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17:45.39SimonBSHi. Can anyone tell me how to get a newer version of libevolution on my Debian 5.0 Lenny?
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17:46.35simonrvn!ssb
17:46.35dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
17:46.44Titan8990SimonBS was on OFTC, he was having issues with http://ftp.dk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/evolution-sharp/libevolution5.0-cil_0.20.0-1_i386.deb
17:46.47abrotmanSimonBS: yu'd have to backport it .. and it depends on lots of stuff
17:46.54Titan8990simonrvn, yeah but there is a bug stopping him from doing that
17:47.05Titan8990err wrong link sorry
17:47.09simonrvnsee what abrotman said
17:47.11Titan8990http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=513454
17:47.34simonrvn!dbugs 513454
17:47.39dpkgDONE:#513454:N[libevolution3.0-cil] libevolution3.0-cil: Does not work with mono 2.0 because it is delay signed (); Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:54:04 UTC []
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17:48.47SimonBSabrotman, would it be just as simple as apt-get -t lenny-backports install libevolution3.0-cil?
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17:49.03Titan8990SimonBS, no, because its not in the repo
17:49.12Titan8990judd, versions libevolution3.0-cil
17:49.12juddTitan8990: libevolution3.0-cil -- lenny: 0.17.1-2
17:49.13SimonBSHm.
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17:49.28wdphow can i force apt-get to re-install all configurations?
17:49.33wdpat apache2 for example.
17:49.41simonrvnjudd versions libevolution5.0-cil
17:49.42SimonBSAnd according to the bug I need 0.18..
17:49.42juddsimonrvn: libevolution5.0-cil -- sid: 0.20.0-1
17:49.45wdpi tried --reinstall, but this isn't working.
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17:50.12simonrvnjust for sag
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17:50.16simonrvnjudd versions libevolution4.0-cil
17:50.16juddsimonrvn: libevolution4.0-cil --
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17:51.10simonrvnjudd versions evolution-sharp
17:51.11juddsimonrvn: evolution-sharp --
17:51.21simonrvndoesn't do source packages?
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17:51.56Titan8990!tell wdp about confmiss
17:52.04simonrvnwah!
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17:52.34simonrvnSimonBS: i'd imagine 20 would support 18
17:52.46simonrvnunless they removed some things...
17:52.49SimonBSSure.
17:53.08SimonBSI'm just.. Lost getting it installed.
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17:53.21simonrvnyou'd have to do a lot of backporting to do this...
17:53.40wdpTitan8990, not working neither
17:53.44wdpTitan8990, the apt line.
17:53.49simonrvnantgel: how you?
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17:54.21Titan8990wdp, there is more than one, which did you run?
17:54.27SimonBSsimonrvn, i guess i'll skipp it then, I just hate the 0.4.2 version of Gnome-Do that Lenny offers me.
17:54.27antgelsimonrvn: stressed but hopeful of being less so in the future! you?
17:54.30wdpapt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install  apache2
17:54.34wdpif you do:
17:54.38wdprm -rf /etc/apache2
17:54.40wdpfollowed by
17:54.44wdp<wdp> apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install  apache2
17:54.55wdp/etc/apache2 doesn't exist.
17:55.06simonrvnantgel: i'm ok. life is always good, even when it hits the fan backwards
17:55.27antgel\o/
17:55.39simonrvnbecause it's not in apache2 but apache2.2-common ....
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17:56.31simonrvnit starts in the mind, and heart ;)
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17:56.56wdpawesome.
17:56.58wdpty guys :)
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17:57.16SimonBSTitan8990, wow. Is there a chance that I've fucked up something badly during the proces? I can't do "apt-get install insserv" either without getting an error from libevolution3.0-cil again.
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17:57.39Titan8990SimonBS, remove it
17:57.50simonrvnpurge it even
17:57.52mederEsitehm
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17:58.34mederEsiteim on debian 5.0.3 .. as root, visudo -> command not found, there is no /usr/sbin/visudo,  as regular user 'sudo' command is not found
17:59.03simonrvn!installit
17:59.03dpkg*** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already.  If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it.  Also ask me about <search>.  If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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18:03.16mederEsitesimonrvn: it's just i did aptitude install pstandard and prequired etc and i assumed it would be in there.
18:03.34mederEsitedpkg: visudo
18:03.34dpkgi heard visudo is how you add users to your /etc/sudoers file.  'man visudo' for details, and also ask me about <sudoers>, or respects $EDITOR while doing sanity checking (prevents *some* critical commits of broken sudoers).
18:03.37mederEsitedpkg: search visudo
18:03.37dpkgmederEsite: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about
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18:04.21simonrvnit's in optional that's why
18:04.33mederEsiteok
18:04.46mederEsitewhat package do I need then?
18:04.54joriksudo...?!
18:05.04mederEsitethanks
18:05.04SimonBSTitan8990, simonrvn: thanks for the help.
18:05.13simonrvnnp
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18:41.06magyar_hi, how do i set vim to be the default editor for visudo instead of nano?
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18:42.01pmomagyar, EDITOR=vim
18:42.14pmomagyar, maybe :)
18:42.49rgrmagyar_: man visudo
18:43.22rgrnote that a corrupt sudo file can result in a hosed system apparently.
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18:44.11magyar_pmo where can i make it stick as default?
18:44.44cahootvia update-alternatives?
18:44.55magyar_its so dumb, the program is called visudo   the editor it chooses is nano
18:45.20pmomagyar, .profile .bashrc.. those sort of things.. but don't expect me to do it, instead of you
18:45.56rgrmagyar_: you need to put it on your root settings too. since you sudo visudo I think.
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18:49.42magyar_cahoot, how do i do it through update-alternatives
18:49.45magyar_?
18:49.51abrotmanman update-alternatives ?
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18:50.17magyar_abrotman, did that
18:50.44rgrmagyar_: you dont afaik.
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18:52.04Supaplexmagyar_: EDITOR=vim visudo   or update-alternatives for editor.
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18:54.07rgrno.
18:54.19ghostmanbig titts? ;)
18:54.30rgrYou need to set EDITOR  to /usr/bin/vim and then "sudo -E visudo"
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18:54.42abrotmanyou can set it with alternatives
18:54.42rgrthe -E keeps the users envs.
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18:57.46hid3naxEvening everyone. How do I install a display driver for ATI Randeon HD 3600 series video card? Tried downloading from the ATI site but those just decrease performance...
18:57.47rgrmagyar_: typically I set my exports in ~/.bash_env and source that from .bashrc and .gnomerc amongst others. It's a black art knowing what of the rc files are used on the desktop and what not.
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19:00.50Titan8990!tell hid3nax about fglrx
19:01.04abrotmandoesn't the radeonhd driver support that ?
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19:01.37Titan8990no idea, my experience with radeonhd was bad, but it was in its earlier stages
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19:02.09magyar_Supaplex, thank you, didn't know about "editor"
19:03.40magyar_nice!
19:04.27magyar_now if i could figure this out
19:04.31magyar_hi, i have iceweasel running on lenny, i have java plug-in installed, but it doesn't seem to work. It opens the java window and all i sees is "loading applet"
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19:04.49abrotmanmagyar_: update-java-alternatives
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19:18.22hid3naxhow do I enable OpenGL for my newly installed ATI driver? Those ATIs really sucks on the installation/driver setup side ;-(
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19:19.08abrotmanwhich card?
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19:20.55hid3naxabrotman: it's Randeo HD  series...
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19:21.46abrotmani meant the exact card .. lspci -nn | grep VGA
19:22.21hid3naxabrotman: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3600 Series [1002:9598]
19:22.37abrotmanjudd: xorg 1002:9598
19:22.39juddabrotman: In lenny, device 1002:9598 is matched by xorg drivers: 'radeon', 'radeonhd'.
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19:22.53abrotmanseems like the radeonhd driver should just work
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19:25.30ctmjrhid3nax: make sure you remove the fglrx driver from ati or you will have major problems
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19:27.53hardbop200ok - I built a .deb kernel on squeeze with make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image, and I'm getting "unable to sync VFS". all file systems are present as a module...(a guess) does squeeze not mount/create the initrd when you install kernels now?
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19:28.34hid3naxDammit. Can't find neither 'radeon' nor 'radeonhd' ;-(
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19:28.48abrotmanhid3nax: aptitude install xorg
19:29.00magnet__!ops PCKoPaT33 spambot for pr0n
19:29.00dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: magnet__ complains about: PCKoPaT33 spambot for pr0n
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19:30.01abrotmanmagnet__: thanks
19:30.15magnetnp
19:30.41zomGregI'm on a system that displays system information in the motd like / space remaining, users logged in, etc. I would like to do that on some machines I administer. Anyone know how that's done?
19:31.14hardbop200ah - I have no initrd.img for my new kernel.  I guess I should look up mkinitrd, correct?
19:31.28xperiahello to all. does anybody know why after the installing of phpmyadmin with "apt-get install phpmyadmin" i am not able to use the mysql password for root. at the moment i am not able to pass the login screen of phpmyadmin. what could be the problem ?
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19:32.08abrotmanzomGreg: are you sure it's in the motd and not in the profile ?
19:32.44zomGregyes, I'm sure I checked the motd file and it has the information in there.
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19:33.00abrotmanhow does it get updated ?
19:33.10zomGregthat's essentially my question
19:33.56zomGregthis is going to sound weird but I don't have access to modify user accounts on the machines I administer, only the base images. It's a cloud image
19:34.12Titan8990xperia, I am sure that doesn't want you to enter your root mysql password
19:34.15StereozomGreg: while true; lsof | grep motd; done
19:34.17Stereorun in screen
19:34.27Stereohide from your admin
19:34.35Titan8990xperia, nor does it even use mysql
19:35.29zomGregthx
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19:36.01xperiaTitan8990: well it wont work even for other user too that i have in mysql. it is just strange. i am aking me if i need to configure it more or simmilar but till yet nobody could help me !
19:36.32Titan8990xperia, it has *nothing* at all to do with mysql
19:36.46Titan8990xperia, it doesn't use mysql, it doesn't care about it, it doesn't use its credentials
19:36.54Titan8990xperia, try the system's root user
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19:37.33xperiathe system user hmmm okay will try that too
19:38.09Titan8990xperia, sorry, it does use mysql... I read something too quickly. but still, try the system's root user
19:38.18abrotmanzomGreg: what OS does the cloud thingie run ?
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19:39.46xperiaTitan8990: have tryed now all possible user accounts for the system and mysql and no one works. getting allways error message "Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: YES)"
19:40.23Titan8990xperia, very sorry about that... I was thinking "phpsysinfo"
19:40.58xperiait is okay need to have this phpmyadmin running
19:41.19xperiaon my server or better to pass this stupid login screen
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19:41.25Titan8990xperia, can you log in through mysql's command line interface?
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19:41.58xperiayes when using the mysql command interface the login data for root works !
19:42.23xperiaonly in phpmyadmin it wont work !
19:42.29zomGregi'm running a debian instance for this question
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19:42.45xperiadoes no one here have phpmyadmin running on his debian ?
19:42.49hardbop200fuck...no luck on my new kernel
19:43.06zomGregthe OS runs in the Amazon cloud. EC2
19:43.10hardbop200I now have an initrd.img file, grub points to it, and it still won't boot
19:43.23abrotmanwhy ar you compiling a kernel at all ?
19:43.49Titan8990xperia, most of us likely configure mysql through the CLI
19:43.57hardbop200I do audio stuff, so I need preemption and a higher CONFIG_HZ for midi work
19:44.11Titan8990xperia, web interfaces to your system configurations can be very bad on exposed server
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19:44.44xperiaTitan8990: yeah command line is good but i need a tool for editing big and complex tables and phpmyadmin is very good and easy for that
19:45.02xperiajust need it for development
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19:45.45Titan8990xperia, and you said you have tried non-root users?
19:46.57Titan8990xperia, oh, check out the configuration section of /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian
19:47.10xperiayes tryed all user accounts from the system and from mysql but get allways the error message that acess for root @ localhost
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19:48.08hardbop200I guess I'm going to have to compile all of my filesystem modules into the kernel?
19:48.29abrotmanor use the initrd
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19:49.01Titan8990hardbop200, and storage controller drivers. but only the ones needed for boot
19:49.21hardbop200abrotman: yea, that's what I'm trying to do...it's all there, but it doesn't sync on boot.  grrr....
19:49.31Titan8990hardbop200, for example, if /home was XFS but / was EXT3, you would only need to build in support for ext3 and XFS support can be a module
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19:50.00Titan8990hardbop200, also, easy to get kernel panics from bad root= lines in your menu.lst
19:50.41hardbop200Titan8990: my root= lines are all UUIDS, I guess I could compare the working kernel line to the non-working kernel line
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19:51.22xperiaTitan8990: You are the best man ! have tryed to solve this problem now since hours and nobody could help me becouse this stupid cookie had allways the wrong password saved and all it needed was to purge the cookies
19:51.34Titan8990hardbop200, i would just use the device name while testing
19:51.46hardbop200Titan8990: good idea, I'll do that...
19:52.08Titan8990xperia, excellent, thats good to hear
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19:54.33xperiamust more read the docs :-)) have now to work ! see you all :-))
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19:56.36MaximusBrood|I'm having a weird problem logging in to my root-account through ssh. It gives me a "sshd[16828]: pam_unix(sshd:auth): authentication failure" [..] "Failed password for root from xxx.xx.xxx.xx port 3992 ssh2" in auth.log, but when su'ing using that exact same password, it succeeds. What could be the problem here?
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19:56.58qwdMaximusBrood|: check your ssh config if root login is allowed
19:57.02Titan8990MaximusBrood|, PermitRootLogin=no in /etc/sshd_config
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19:57.28Titan8990MaximusBrood|, sorry /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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19:58.16MaximusBrood|qwd, Titan8990: Oh hell >.> I set that option myself a few weeks ago. Right, thanks :)
19:58.48qwdMaximusBrood|: consider using ssh key for logging in. more secure than a password
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20:05.07zomGregabrotman, the answer to the motd question was a package called landscape-sysinfo that works with update-motd
20:05.25zomGreglooks pretty cool for generating dynamic motd
20:05.26abrotmannever heard of it
20:05.32zomGregi hadn't either
20:06.00abrotmanlooks .. ubuntu-ish
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20:06.26zomGregyeah, my mistake earlier.
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20:07.08zomGregbut, ubuntu = debian, right? kidding, only kidding.
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20:07.50fishsponge_hey people... i'm having a problem... i have an Intel SE7520JR22 based server which I'm trying to install using the latest netinst ISO. However, when i boot to the CD, all i get is the word "GRUB" at the top of the page
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20:08.05xxtjaxxzomGreg: good on you putting that kidding behind that -.-
20:08.06fishsponge_i have burned the CD twice, on different machines and both CDs give the same result. Any ideas what else I can try?
20:08.23cmacissacrifice a chicken to Tux
20:08.28fishsponge_the server is quite old now, but until today, it had been running opensuse 10.0 just fine.
20:08.31abrotmandifferent machines but the same hardware ?
20:08.52fishsponge_abrotman, nope, one CD was burned on my linux desktop at work, and the other was burned on my WinXP laptop
20:08.55abrotmanfishsponge_: what is the ISO name ?
20:09.03xxtjaxxfishsponge_: you checed the md5sums?
20:09.04fishsponge_debian-503-ia64-netinst.iso
20:09.07abrotmanfishsponge_: oh, you've only tested booting on one machine ?
20:09.09tarzeauanyone got an HP Mini? does it have nvidia graphics card?
20:09.16abrotmanfishsponge_: do you think it's really Itanium ?
20:09.17fishsponge_haven't checked the MD5sums, no, but it is a 64-bit server apparently!
20:09.26fishsponge_nope, it's 64-bit Intel Xeon
20:09.29abrotman!ports
20:09.29dpkghmm... ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/ or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc
20:09.30xxtjaxxtarzeau: check with dmesg | grep nvidia
20:09.30Hydroxidefishsponge_: you probably want amd64 instead of ia64
20:09.32fishsponge_i thought that's what ia64 was!
20:09.33zomGregi'll do my penance to debra and ian
20:09.39tarzeauxxtjaxx: i don't have it yet,...
20:09.39fishsponge_oh bugger, you're right... and i even knew that!
20:09.42abrotmanfishsponge_: ia64 is for Itanium
20:09.54xxtjaxxtarzeau: then check if you have noÄ?
20:09.55abrotmantarzeau: which model? i have one
20:09.59fishsponge_i know... i'm an idiot today... lack of sleep, i think!
20:10.08fishsponge_right, let me go download amd64
20:10.12Titan8990im surprised ia64 is still maintained
20:10.20fishsponge_which is good for Intel becaus ethey are the same architecture, kinda
20:10.22abrotmanTitan8990: they still sell them
20:10.24tarzeauabrotman: which model has nvidia? i want an hp mini with nvidia graphics card...
20:10.29fishsponge_and amd built their chip first, so it got named amd, right?
20:10.34abrotmantarzeau: NFC .. mine doesn't have nvidia
20:10.36tarzeauabrotman: but from the hp webpage it's not visible what graphics card they have
20:10.38abrotmanthank goodness
20:10.39Titan8990abrotman, i had no idea, off to wikipedia
20:10.58abrotmantarzeau: I have the 1116nr
20:11.30fishsponge_while we're on the topic... does the 64 bit version have the same packages as the 32 bit version?
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20:11.36abrotmanfishsponge_: mostly
20:11.54fishsponge_i.e. if i find a strange utility in the standard repos on our 32-bit box at work, will i be able to find it for my 64-bit system as well, without adding extra repos?
20:12.15Hydroxideyes
20:12.19fishsponge_mostly... what type of things are missing, generally (if that's something you can condense into a sentence or two!)?
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20:12.38abrotmantarzeau: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/4312/sl/m is mine AFAIK
20:12.47Hydroxidefishsponge_: basically, things that aren't able to build on 64-bit (usually a bug and rarely in a stable release) or things that only make sense on 32-bit
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20:12.54Hydroxidefishsponge_: i.e. very few things
20:13.01fishsponge_ok, cool
20:13.22fishsponge_so basically, things like ffmpeg all it's libraries for encoding will be just fine...?
20:13.33reto`but 64 should not have the year 2038 bug :)
20:13.37fishsponge_basically, this is going to be an ffmpeg box, you see, so that's the most important thing to me!
20:13.40fishsponge_indeed
20:13.43Hydroxidefishsponge_: well, to whatever extent they're in debian at all
20:13.46abrotmanhttp://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ffmpeg
20:13.49fishsponge_i doubt this system will still be working in 2038! lol
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20:14.13fishsponge_Hydroxide, i know they're in Debian 32 bit enough for me to find everything i need
20:14.26fishsponge_thanks abrotman :-)
20:14.30Hydroxidefishsponge_: debian amd64 has all the ffmpeg stuff in debian i386
20:14.31Titan8990abrotman, don't the majority of people want the one from dmm?
20:14.43fishsponge_Hydroxide, perfect :-)
20:14.55zmotokhello everyone, I know this isn't a specific debian question, but.. anyone know of an printable image that has the most well known FOSS pieces of software.. like debian, openoffice, gimp, apache.. etc?
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20:15.29Hydroxidefishsponge_: but, as Titan8990 is implying, some of the encoding functionality isn't in debian at all due to patent issues - there's a separate debian-multimedia repository which you can use if the patent issues aren't a problem for your location and situation.
20:15.43abrotmanTitan8990: depends on the codecs they want to use AIUI
20:15.47Hydroxidefishsponge_: still, if official debian 32-bit repositories are ok, so will be the 64-bit ones
20:16.03Hydroxideabrotman: indeed
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20:16.49fishsponge_Hydroxide, thanks for the info about the debian-multimedia repo... i had bypassed Titan8990's comment as i didn't think it was related! lol... "What's dmm?" i thought :-)
20:17.21fishsponge_so, to add the debian-multimedia repo, which line will i need to add to sources.lst?
20:17.36Titan8990!dmm
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20:17.36dpkgwell, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat.  For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>.
20:17.37raresshells should accept ?var1=&var2
20:17.40fishsponge_i'd rather future-proof my encoding capabilities while i think of it :-)
20:18.02fishsponge_any other repos i should consider adding that contain useful software, but aren't included by default?
20:18.18fishsponge_i'll want acrobat reader, for example, and perhaps a few other proprietary apps
20:18.29Titan8990fishsponge_, on a server??
20:18.45fishsponge_well, maybe.
20:18.56Titan8990I can understand ffmpeg for streaming video maybe... but acrobat reader?
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20:19.11fishsponge_i hate my windows laptop, but it's what I use the most, so i start up my X server, a few putty sessions and work from my sofa as if i have my server on my lap
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20:19.16fishsponge_kinda weird, but that's me!
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20:19.33fishsponge_well, not streaming video - encoding video
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20:19.49fishsponge_and i can't reinstall my laptop because it's owned by work, so i'm stuck with XP
20:20.08DemaskusDCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0
20:20.17fishsponge_tunnelling X through SSH works pretty well for me - it's how i'm typing to you now (from my other really-slow server!)
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20:20.59xxtjaxxfishsponge_: thats why I use emacs from console in ssh and use erc as a IRC client
20:21.20Titan8990xxtjaxx, i like emacs... but ERC is not very good
20:21.34fishsponge_not an emacs fan, personally, vi is my editor of choice
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20:21.46fishsponge_never used erc though... xchat is my client
20:21.57Titan8990fishsponge_, you can't compare vi to emacs.... maybe vim to emacs
20:22.13fishsponge_well, ok... when i type vi, i get vim usually, so i guess i meant vim
20:22.14Titan8990!start an editor war
20:22.14dpkgvim sucks
20:22.19xxtjaxxnah Titan8990 can you do extensions and have rss feed in vim?
20:22.20Titan8990hehe
20:22.24fishsponge_i.e. Home and End work, i have color coding etc...
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20:22.33xxtjaxxdo you have a full emacs interpretter in vim?
20:22.43Marx82[ITA]hi guys
20:22.47xxtjaxxcan you play games in vim
20:22.48xxtjaxx?
20:22.53fishsponge_xxtjaxx, i don't have anything in vim, personally, and no, i can't play games
20:22.57fishsponge_but i can edit text.
20:23.02Titan8990xxtjaxx, I use emacs not vim, so your preaching to the choir
20:23.15fishsponge_you can edit text in emacs too, but i learned vim before i learned emacs, so vim it is for life!
20:23.37fishsponge_and now i've forgotten emacs too, and lots of our servers don't have emacs anyway
20:23.51Titan8990fishsponge_, i installed it on ours :)
20:23.52fishsponge_plus... emacs leaves # files all over the place, which kinda clutters up the ls
20:24.07Titan8990fishsponge_, thats easily disabled, but i like the automatic backups
20:24.13fishsponge_Titan8990, i don't have time for that... you wouldn't believe how little time i have at work to do nice things like that
20:24.21fishsponge_if it made me more efficient, i'd do it anyway, but it doesn't
20:24.31hardbop200Titan8990: well, I've failed. short of recompiling, I don't know what else to do. this process worked great on lenny, so something has changed that is not obvious thru googling the problem.
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20:24.52fishsponge_Titan8990, automatic backups aren't that important for us... we backup nightly anyway, and have hourly snapshots on a lot of stuff, and that's generally enough
20:24.54abrotmanhands Titan8990 a pile of ' and e
20:24.54xxtjaxxfor such things I have a  alias locally said called rmtmp which removes those :)
20:25.12fishsponge_anyway, brb... going upstairs to attempt to install this noisy server again...
20:25.40Titan8990abrotman, not sure I get that
20:26.03Marx82[ITA]I need some help on downgrading some pythons packages with Unstable..... can you help me in some way?
20:26.03qwdBug reporting question... after running exifprobe in gnome-terminal the font color is changed in that terminal window, even after exifprobe is done. should I file this bug for gnome-terminal or exifprobe?
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20:26.31qwd!ask
20:26.31dpkgIf you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
20:26.33Titan8990fishsponge_, nightly backups is a bit different then having a copy of a file before and after you edited it
20:26.43Marx82[ITA]ok
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20:27.44fishsponge_Install or Graphical Install... that is the question...
20:28.07qwdfishsponge_: matter of taste
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20:28.29abrotmanTitan8990: your versus you're
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20:29.05Titan8990abrotman, you're always getting on me about that :p
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20:29.12fishsponge_well, i'm tempted to go text, mainly as it's default... i assume they are both robust these days?
20:29.26fishsponge_and does the graphical have any features that the text doesn't have, or vice versa?
20:29.42Titan8990never used graphical, couldn't say
20:29.43RichiHwhy is the new kernel called 'trunk'? i presume because some firmware and stuff has been removed, but i'd rather be certain
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20:30.03fishsponge_Titan8990, that answers every question i need to know the answer to... text it is"!
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20:30.21qwdfishsponge_: I think you couldn't do encryption with ubuntus graphical install, you needed the alternate disc. But I don't know about Debian. Different installers so probable not the same situation :)
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20:31.02Titan8990fishsponge_, so... you manage linux servers but are required to have windows on your laptop?
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20:32.21abrotmanRichiH: i asked the same question (not here) .. didn't get an answer
20:33.01RichiHyay :p
20:33.51abrotmanRichiH: http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/2009/12/msg00077.html
20:34.00Marx82[ITA]i need to downgrade phyton-qt4, sip and phyton-sip to be able to run gns3. Do you think this operation could cause a system damage(egs. gnome won't start at next boot)
20:34.08Marx82[ITA]?
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20:34.31qwdI have reportbug open in screen in gnome-terminal and I can't shut it down with ctrl+c and ctrl+a ctrl+s doesn't work either. Any ideas?
20:34.39Titan8990!downgrade
20:34.39dpkgmethinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently.  No future support is anticipated.  Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade.  You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>.  See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdn>.
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20:34.50hardbop200Titan8990: fixed - regenerating the initrd manually (update-initramfs -u -k 2.6.31.6 -t) did the trick
20:34.59Titan8990qwd, kill <pid> from another shell
20:35.11abrotmanRichiH: closest thing i could find to a reason
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20:35.18RichiHhmmk
20:35.25LimCorejelly: it would seem that it will not work, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Setuid#setgid_on_directories  btw lets talk about this on ##Linuc
20:35.28LimCore* ##linux
20:35.29RichiHso it's probably not worth building nvidia stuff for that
20:35.41abrotmans/for that//
20:35.43abrotmanhides
20:35.45qwdTitan8990: thanks
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20:36.01midoublekoI have a problem with my sound card; I'm running Debian version lenny on a PowerPC with a alsa supported soundcard M Audio 24/96. When I try to do play audio or video I get the following output: white noise. I expected it to play the audio. I have run alsa config several times to no avail. it sets it up but seems to not find amixer when setting up I can adjust the levels of noise when audio is playing with alsamixer or the
20:36.10hardbop200Titan8990: thanks for listening to be whine ;)
20:36.37Titan8990hardbop200, good to hear you got it to boot
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20:37.35paradroidHow do I get rid of the annoying beep in Debian? I've rmmodded pcspkr and added it the blacklist, and still it beeps. snd_pcsp module doesn't exist.
20:37.51tarzeau!beep
20:37.51dpkgsomebody said beep was echo -ne '\a'.  A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ask me about <bell>, <qotd89>.  For the audio player, ask me about <bmp>.
20:38.03tarzeauparadroid: man xset
20:38.21cahootparadroid: pcspkr stays unloaded?
20:38.38Titan8990paradroid, rmmod is depricated, use modprobe -r
20:38.55paradroidcahoot: Yes. It's not listed in lsmod | grep pcspkr.
20:39.04cahootstill beeping?
20:39.39paradroidTitan8990: The modprobe -r worked.
20:39.48paradroidTitan8990: Nevermind.
20:39.48Marx82[ITA]Titan8990 : where do i find the information related to " See also <partial downgrade>, "
20:39.52paradroidTotally didn't.
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20:40.07Titan8990Marx82[ITA], /msg dpkg partial downgrade
20:40.13Marx82[ITA]thanks
20:40.32Titan8990paradroid, what is the output or `uname -r`?
20:41.02paradroid2.6.30-2-amd64
20:41.27Titan8990paradroid, thats what? squeeze?
20:41.37Titan8990judd, versions linux-image-amd64
20:41.37paradroidTitan8990: Yes.
20:41.38juddTitan8990: linux-image-amd64 -- etch: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-security: 2.6.18+6etch3 etch-backports: 2.6.26+17~bpo40+2 lenny: 2.6.26+17+lenny1 lenny-backports: 2.6.30+20~bpo50+1 squeeze: 2.6.30+21 sid: 2.6.31+22
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20:42.16cmateiparadroid: scissors :-)
20:42.22Titan8990paradroid, grep -i pcspkr /boot/config-`uname -r`
20:42.36bjsnideris Gustavo Noronha Silva ever in here?
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20:43.44qwdwhen requesting a package in wnpp, is there a way to show your interest in a package already requested? like, will a developer be more likely to adopt a package if there are many people waiting for it?
20:43.49Titan8990bjsnider, doubt it, looks like he is a ubuntu dev. there are only 903 people in here, most of which don't go by their real names
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20:43.57paradroidxset b off worked.
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20:44.10tarzeauqwd: which package is it?
20:44.15paradroidI'm guessing I just have to append that to my .xinitrc then?
20:44.34qwdtarzeau: oneswarm http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=517915
20:44.57Marx82[ITA]Titan8990: if I dongrade a package, the current application that depends on it could not work anymore ...am I correct?
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20:45.19tarzeauqwd: what about you package it?
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20:45.39Titan8990Marx82[ITA], pastebin your /etc/apt/source.list
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20:45.59Titan8990Marx82[ITA], and `apt-cache policy <package>` for the package you want to downgrade
20:46.40Titan8990tarzeau, you make it sound like... you don't have to apply for a sponsorship and jump through hoops
20:47.01Marx82[ITA]Titan8990: unfortunatly I'm from Windows right now....
20:47.18Titan8990Marx82[ITA], that doesn't help us troublehsoot your problem
20:47.24qwdtarzeau: I wouldn't install anything *I* packaged :)
20:47.33tarzeauTitan8990: there's a big difference between sponsoring a package and, packaging some software and then sponsoring that
20:47.54tarzeauqwd: then you should work your packaging, up to the point where you would!
20:48.13Titan8990tarzeau, the person who created the package and is submitting it debian must first gain a sponsorship
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20:48.19Titan8990tarzeau, according to the maint guide
20:48.22Titan8990!maint guide
20:48.29tarzeauTitan8990: anyone can package any software, anytime
20:48.35jaggzis there an X11 clipboard which lets me use lettered clipboards?
20:48.38Titan8990!nmg
20:48.39dpkgThe New Maintainer's Guide (http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/), Developer's Reference and Policy document how packages should be made and how they should interact with each other.  See also http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg>.  There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.debian.org/wiki/English/BuildingWithoutHelp
20:48.43Marx82[ITA]Titan8990: I know...however I added in the source.list the lines related to testing archives. So now I have both testing and unstable
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20:48.56Titan8990tarzeau, they can, yes. but it won't be put in debian repos if they are not a debian maintainer
20:48.57tarzeauTitan8990: i know about the nmg, thanks
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20:49.18tarzeauTitan8990: there's two definitions of debian maintainer, which one are you refering to
20:49.38Titan8990Marx82[ITA], depending on how many packages you installed from sid, there is a chance a full upgrade to sid is your only option
20:49.39tarzeauTitan8990: one time there's always a package sponsored, for a person which is not yet a debian maintainer (as per the 1st/older definition)
20:49.46riz_Does someone use Conexant Systems, Inc. CX23885 (hauppage 1200) tv card? I'm not able tu use it with me-tv
20:50.13valdynremote: what is m-tv?
20:50.14Titan8990Marx82[ITA], mixing releases is bad
20:50.22valdynremote: is that a dvb-t card?
20:50.35valdynriz_: is that a dvb-t card?
20:50.38qwdbut you didn't answer my question. does wnpp work in the way that you can "vote" for packages or is it just a list of packages that someone might package if it looks interesting to them?
20:50.39riz_valdyn, yes
20:50.54valdynriz_: and whats me-tv?
20:51.10riz_valdyn, it's a gnome program for seeing tv
20:51.17qwdalso, can you edit a bug report? or can you only add information to it?
20:51.34tarzeauqwd: 2nd
20:51.55valdynriz_: any other program working ?
20:52.15tarzeauqwd: no it's more like if a DD likes a software he packages or sponsors it
20:52.19riz_valdyn, I tried vlc but nothing to do..
20:52.31valdynriz_: have you generated a channels.conf file?
20:52.41qwdtarzeau: ok, thanks!
20:52.56riz_valdyn, I tried but it's empty
20:53.14riz_valdyn, I tried with w_scan
20:53.34valdynriz_: im scanning with me-tv atm, lets see
20:53.57valdynjudd: versions me-tv
20:53.57juddvaldyn: me-tv -- lenny: 0.5.33-3 sid: 1.0.2-1 squeeze: 1.0.2-1
20:54.47valdynriz_: which one is yours?
20:55.01riz_1.0.2
20:55.11riz_valdyn, I'm using sid
20:55.22fishsponge_hey people - how can i make debian autodetect it's network cards? i have just installed with a PCI card, and it's working fine, but i want to try and switch to using the on-board cards
20:55.26valdynriz_: its currently scanning and not finding channels, ill have to double check with mplayer and my existing channels.conf..
20:55.36fishsponge_but i need to know if debian can auto-detect them before i try to reconfigure everything...
20:55.42valdynriz_: then i can tell if the sid version is broken...
20:55.58valdynriz_: ok, seems to be working fine
20:56.09valdynriz_: scanning with me-tv is failing for you how?
20:56.15markybobfishsponge_, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/
20:56.18riz_valdyn, so it's a driver cx* problem
20:56.26valdynriz_: who knows..
20:57.06fishsponge_markybob, thanks for that, but i've no idea what cards these are... they are just part of the motherboard. Also, is there nothing I can load up that will auto-detect the network cards and show me what it has found? kinda like that happens during the OS install?
20:57.13valdynriz_: this could be a video capture card. i can hardly tell
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20:57.26valdynriz_: so how is scanning with me-tv failing?
20:57.40riz_valdyn, is there a way to re-scannig channel in me-tv?
20:57.50markybobfishsponge_, you dont need to know.  simply paste the lspci output like the page says
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20:58.14valdynriz_: ill have to finish this can run to be able to tell i think
20:58.26fishsponge_ah... lspci... let me try that
20:58.33valdynriz_: meanwhile you could try running xawtv
20:58.47valdynriz_: or tvtime
20:58.49riz_xawvt ? Ok I'm installing it
20:59.04valdynriz_: both being interfaces to video capture interfaces, not dvb
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20:59.52fishsponge_OK, lots of stuff works, but I can't figure out which items are the on-board NICs... it doesn't look like any of them
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21:00.02riz_valdyn, tvtime it's alredy installed
21:00.12riz_valdyn, how to change video capture?
21:00.15JMorrisonbetter usertvtime
21:00.16valdynriz_: try rm -r ~/.me-tv to rescan
21:00.18fishsponge_markybob, lots of stuff works, but I can't figure out which items are the on-board NICs... it doesn't look like any of them
21:00.21JMorrisonbetter use tvtime
21:00.26valdynriz_: thats not something you can change
21:00.36valdynriz_: i need to know how scanning fails
21:00.43markybobfishsponge_, so dpaste it
21:00.46ctmjrriz_: tvtime and xawtv are for analog tv kaffiene and me-tv do dvb tv
21:01.02fishsponge_ok...
21:01.12fishsponge_no idea what dpaste is, but i'll use pastebin.ca!
21:01.53riz_thanks ctmjr . Now I have a doubt: is the hauppage 1200 analog or digital card?
21:02.40fishsponge_markybob, http://pastebin.ca/1718693
21:02.45valdynriz_: have you tried tvtime?
21:02.52valdynriz_: ( or xawtv )
21:02.54JMorrisontvtime
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21:02.59JMorrisonits better
21:03.05riz_ah ok it' a dvb-t card
21:03.25valdynthats not exactly the point
21:03.27riz_yes tvtime yes but I can't change the device
21:03.45riz_I see a screen blue
21:03.46valdynriz_: you have more than one /dev/video* ?
21:04.00JMorrisonmaybe you have tvcard and webcam
21:04.03riz_valdyn, yes I have an usb webcam in the monitor
21:04.17riz_valdyn, and I have the hauppage card
21:04.23fishsponge_markybob, also, ifconfig -a only shows the PCI card NIC... not the on-board ones, currently
21:04.29markybobfishsponge_ you need to check your bios to make sure the onboard cards are enabled
21:04.51fishsponge_ah, ok... perhaps by installing a PCI NIC, it automatically disables the on board ones... i'll check in a minute
21:04.55JMorrisonyou have a confilct
21:05.00JMorrisonconflict
21:05.04ctmjrriz_: waht does ls /dev/video0 have to say
21:05.10JMorrisonbetween the tvcard and webcam
21:05.23fishsponge_however, once i remove that, i'll have no network on that box any more, so will have to just run commands to try and get the on-board ones working
21:05.35valdynriz_: ok, i cant help if you cant tell how scan fails
21:05.36fishsponge_so... once i reboot, what can I run to automatically configure my LAN like i did during the install?
21:05.45riz_I have /dev/vide0 for webcam and /dev/dvb/adapter0/ for tv card
21:06.08riz_ctmjr, /dev/video0
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21:06.19markybobfishsponge_, you dont need to remove it.  you can have as many  nics are you want...just make sure it's enabled and not disabled
21:06.33fishsponge_well, i know, but ideally i need to rip it out and use it in another machine anyway!
21:06.43fishsponge_so... the question still stands, i'm afraid...
21:06.48fishsponge_once i reboot, what can I run to automatically configure my LAN like i did during the install?
21:06.48markybobso you'll do that once you know it's working, damnit
21:06.54markybobsigh
21:06.54riz_valdyn, how to scan the channel with tvtime?
21:07.02valdynriz_: not at all
21:07.09valdynriz_: use scan or me-tv
21:07.12JMorrisontvtime /dev/dvb/adapter0/
21:07.14ctmjrriz_: then you cannot use tvtime to watch tv with your card
21:07.14fishsponge_well, i guess so... just seems like a little more hassle... if you say so, though, then i'll do it that way!
21:07.22fishsponge_back in a sec... going to check BIOS
21:07.33ctmjrJMorrison: that will not work
21:07.37jaggzwow, what's /home/x/.thumbnails/ ?
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21:07.49riz_JMorrison, not work
21:08.06riz_valdyn, ok I delete .me-tv
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21:08.22JMorrisonwhy?
21:08.52JMorrisontvtime -d /dev/dvb/adapter0/ not work?
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21:09.08valdynthat is not a video4linux device
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21:09.17ctmjrtvtime is a analog tv watching application he has a digital tv card
21:09.19riz_no JMorrison
21:09.29JMorrisonmaybe you have to mount the proper module
21:09.33riz_I need to you me-tv
21:09.35valdynno he doesnt
21:09.41wildc4rd_evenin' all
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21:09.54riz_JMorrison, the module is ok in dmesg I see the card
21:09.55zabkai try grep foo * . although i should get some results, i get nothing at all
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21:10.35JMorrisonriz_, and making a link to your device?
21:10.35riz_valdyn, I delete .me-tv relunched me-tv but it not ask me to scan again the channels
21:10.44valdynriz_: yea, i noticed
21:10.46JMorrisonriz_, with ln command
21:11.16jaggzis there an X11 clipboard which lets me use lettered clipboards?  (like vim's registers for yanking)
21:11.34riz_valdyn, If I don't remember bed in /usr/share/something theare are a file to input to "scan" program
21:11.38riz_valdyn, let me see
21:11.44valdynriz_: it puts crap into /home/valdyn/.local/share/me-tv
21:11.51valdynriz_: ill try if i can delete that to rescan..
21:12.11valdynriz_: that does it
21:12.13JMorrisonriz_,  maybe you can use the ln command
21:12.23JMorrisonriz_, and create a device video1
21:12.29valdynJMorrison: what the hell
21:12.35ctmjrJMorrison: you can hard link soft link link it all you want but tvtime will never recognize a dvb card
21:12.37fishsponge_hey people - markybob appears to have left at a crucial moment, so i wonder if anyone can let me know how to tell debian to autodetect my network cards so I can configure them like I did during the install?
21:12.42riz_valdyn, it's ok now
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21:12.55riz_valdyn, I deleted .local/share/me-tv
21:12.56valdynriz_: oh, its scanning?
21:13.11valdynriz_: the error log is printed to stdout, so you need to start me-tv from a terminal
21:13.13JMorrisonctmjr, because tvtime go to /dev/video searching for a tv device
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21:13.31valdynJMorrison: we already establish that he has no video capture card
21:13.31riz_valdyn, it's scanning
21:13.55valdynriz_: is that new?
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21:14.08valdynriz_: i mean, was your issue jsut that you skipped that scan part?
21:14.23riz_mm not
21:14.25fishsponge_can anyone tell me how to autodetect my NICs so I can configure them like I did during the install?
21:14.43valdynriz_: Conexant CX22702 DVB-T is mine, works flawlessly
21:14.47SparFuxHi. When using the README.Debian mysql-server line to set root password I get the error: ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)     What was the trick to overcome this?
21:14.56riz_valdyn, your is newes
21:15.00fishsponge_i need to physically remove the one i'm using, and tell Debian to use one of the on-board ones
21:15.07riz_valdyn, mine it's old :-)
21:15.08valdynriz_: mines is much older
21:15.33riz_valdyn, scan complete...zero channels find...how it's possibile?
21:15.40valdynriz_: no antenna?
21:15.45valdynriz_: wrong region selected?
21:15.53riz_valdyn, I have antenna
21:15.55valdynriz_: no dvb-t in your area?
21:16.01riz_valdyn, nono there is
21:16.04fishsponge_actually, forget it... i'll just reinstall!
21:16.22valdynriz_: i need to see the output on terminal to have the slightest chance of saying something qualified
21:16.22JMorrisonriz_, did you configure NTSC or PAL ?
21:16.27valdynriz_: i dont like to guess
21:16.32valdynJMorrison: geez
21:16.41valdynJMorrison: this isnt pal or ntsc, this is dvb-t
21:16.44abrotmanfishsponge_: so you just configure them to work or be renamed
21:16.50abrotman!tell fishsponge_ about 70
21:16.56valdynJMorrison: which is an mpeg stream
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21:17.20JMorrisonvaldyn, i see
21:17.41riz_valdyn, just one sec: I lunch it again from shell and not from gnome menu
21:17.48valdynriz_: ya
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21:19.30riz_valdyn, http://pastebin.com/m752eb6b6
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21:19.46valdynriz_: thats ok
21:19.54Laeborgcan I use a WIFI AP when using the netinst ?
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21:21.04valdynriz_: you did select the proper region file, did you?
21:21.18Titan8990Laeborg, thats a vague question, maybe
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21:21.33Titan8990Laeborg, if you wifi card is supported
21:21.37riz_yes valdyn
21:22.12riz_valdyn, one or time ago I see the channel list
21:22.18valdynriz_: ill show you my log in a few, just so you can see, but i think if its not finding channels you just have no signal / reception
21:22.25riz_valdyn, it's scan ok
21:22.40riz_valdyn, but after, when I click on channel me-tv crashes
21:22.50valdynriz_: ok
21:22.53ctmjrvaldyn: just trying to help out you can have him scan the channels with scan if he does not get any channels that way there is nothing you can do until he gets better reception
21:23.03valdynriz_: how many channels are found?
21:23.15valdynctmjr: yea
21:23.28riz_valdyn, now zero in paste about 14-16
21:23.29valdynctmjr: i will move him to mplayer if its finding channels
21:23.45valdynriz_: paste?
21:23.52valdynriz_: you mean "past"?
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21:23.59ctmjrvaldyn: good idea me-tv is buggy anyway
21:24.03riz_valdyn, sorry :) Yes
21:24.03valdynriz_: fix your antenna
21:24.14zabkai try grep foo * . although i should get some results, i get nothing at all
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21:24.37valdynriz_: me-tv is probably decent to use as a scanning tool, but if its crashing on play then you could use the scan result for mplayer
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21:25.21valdynriz_: or not, its using its own proprietary config file format
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21:25.37valdynriz_: ill see if it can export it
21:26.29riz_valdyn, the file under /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/it-Milano it's updated?
21:26.50valdynriz_: usually
21:27.02valdynriz_: and youre on sid, arent you?
21:27.10riz_yes, on sid
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21:29.39jorgpinteresting problem, using unstable, yes I know and k3b, it burns dvds fine, but will not verify, any siggestions?
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21:30.23valdynriz_: you could do "mkdir ~/.mplayer scan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/it-Milano > ~/mplayer/channels.conf" and play with mplayer dvb:// to try mplayer, but i dont think thats your problem, reception is or your it-Milano being out of date
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21:30.59riz_valdyn, yes I think so
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21:31.16valdynriz_: or without the typo "mkdir ~/.mplayer; scan /usr/share/dvb/dvb-t/it-Milano > ~/mplayer/channels.conf" and play with "mplayer dvb://"
21:31.20riz_valdyn, but it's strange because 2-3 week ago I see the channel list populate
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21:31.47valdynriz_: so maybe the signal changed and it-Milano is out of date
21:31.59valdynriz_: happened to me once too
21:32.31riz_valdyn, yes it's possible. In Italy in these day migrate to dvb-t television..
21:32.44riz_valdyn, so it's possible
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21:33.09riz_valdyn, now the question is: how to create it-Milano updated? :)
21:33.20valdynriz_: google
21:33.28valdynriz_: it probably exists already, just not in debian yet
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21:34.04fishsponge_ok, debian reinstalled, as that seemed easier than reconfiguring my NICs!
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21:34.58zortonI have an perl script being used at work that I want to package up for ease of distribution around here.  Can anyone think of an example package that is a simple perl script that I can use to base my Debian/rules off of?
21:35.06fishsponge_ok, so next question... my NIC is currently set to use DHCP... how can i change it to static?
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21:36.18Titan8990fishsponge_, man interfaces
21:37.01fishsponge_any GUI to do the same?
21:37.12fishsponge_i'm not expecting a GUI, but wondered if there was one...
21:37.17valdynzorton: wondershaper package is probably an example
21:37.19Titan8990fishsponge_, network-manager
21:37.27zortonvaldyn: thanks, i'll take a look
21:37.28valdynzorton: even though its not perl
21:37.37valdynzorton: but its just a script, nothing compiled
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21:37.54zortonvaldyn: then it's what i'm after, my code is about as simplisitic
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21:38.57fishsponge_network-manager is a daemon?
21:39.04valdynfishsponge_: yes
21:39.05fishsponge_wasn't expecting that...
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21:39.15valdynfishsponge_: duh
21:39.25valdynfishsponge_: hows that relevant?
21:39.35valdynfishsponge_: ( how is it relevant that its a daemon ? )
21:39.38fishsponge_well, YaST2 in opensuse isn't a daemon... it runs, configured the LAN, and exits.
21:39.48fishsponge_well, i just wanna keep the number of daemons to the minimum generally
21:39.52valdynfishsponge_: youre confused
21:39.55fishsponge_this one won't make a difference, but i like clean machines
21:40.04fishsponge_really?
21:40.07valdynfishsponge_: yea
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21:40.29valdynfishsponge_: yast2 is a setup or configuration GUI
21:40.31fishsponge_please explain then... i thought daemons ran in the background, and you typicall interact with them on a client-server type architecture.
21:40.57riz_valdyn, nothing to do. I need to put an external antenna (nothing found in Italy http://pastebin.com/m354ca3c6)
21:41.03valdynfishsponge_: so yast2 might *configure* your network-manager-like daemons
21:41.11fishsponge_ah, ok...
21:41.14valdynfishsponge_: but it doesnt do anything but *configure* it
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21:41.28fishsponge_so given that i don't have network-manager installed currently, what is actually managing my NICs?
21:41.30Titan8990valdyn, thats not entirely true, yast2 also has a TUI interface
21:41.35fishsponge_surely just the kernel?
21:41.43valdynTitan8990: damn you nitpicker
21:41.56Titan8990fishsponge_, ifup/ifdown
21:42.03valdynfishsponge_: your nic needs a "daemon" to manager it as soon as you use dhcp
21:42.10valdynfishsponge_: "ps aux | grep dhclient"
21:42.19Titan8990fishsponge_, based on configuration in /etc/network/interfaces
21:42.20fishsponge_ah, ok... well it's using DHCP by default, but "network-manager" doesn't exist as a command on my system
21:42.47valdynfishsponge_: its not a command to be run by you
21:42.50zortonreally it's best to learn the CLI and how to tweak flat files around
21:42.51Titan8990fishsponge_, when /etc/init.d/network start is called it call ifup on all the interfaces configured. /etc/init.d/networking start will do an ifdown
21:42.58riz_valdyn, should be depend from snow also: today snowing
21:43.04valdynfishsponge_: typically people use "nm-applet" from the "network-manager-gnome" package
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21:43.13fishsponge_so... currently i'm on DHCP... i'd like to switch to static (i know the IP/subnet etc...) and remove dhclient
21:43.13valdynriz_: nah
21:43.27valdynriz_: a little, but not entirely disable your reception
21:43.27fishsponge_no X on this machine currently, so no gnome
21:43.44Titan8990fishsponge_, configure it in /etc/network/interfaces
21:43.45valdynfishsponge_: man interfaces
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21:43.56Titan8990valdyn, gave him that quite a while ago
21:44.01fishsponge_ok... i assume the interfaces command merely edits the interfaces file, right?
21:44.03valdynTitan8990: over his head?
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21:44.12valdynfishsponge_: its not a command
21:44.16fishsponge_i know... i was just looking for a GUI instead... but not one that runs as a daemon, if that makes sense
21:44.18Titan8990fishsponge, no, there is no interfaces command
21:44.24jimcooncatiface eth0 inet static
21:44.25jimcooncataddress 10.0.0.7
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21:44.26fishsponge_something I could run to edit the config, and then exit again.
21:44.37Titan8990fishsponge_, `nano`
21:44.46fishsponge_i'm making this more difficult than it is, and for that i'm sorry...
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21:44.54valdynfishsponge_: network-manager and its gui interfaces are meant for desktop users using an applet to connect to their networks
21:44.55fishsponge_i'll vim it instead
21:45.09fishsponge_valdyn, that makes sense... i'm not a desktop user
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21:45.20valdynfishsponge_: if you want to let only root touch interfaces and those interfaces are static then no daemon runs and you only edit /etc/network/interfaces
21:45.21fishsponge_network-manager is called the same thing in opensuse and serves the same purpose
21:45.35fishsponge_ok, /etc/network/interfaces it is.
21:45.39fishsponge_let me go search for an example
21:45.49valdynfishsponge_: man ifup too
21:45.51Titan8990!debian reference
21:45.51dpkgThe Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian.  Latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ .  Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual.  You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
21:45.58valdynfishsponge_: funnily the examples are in the manpage
21:46.01Titan8990fishsponge_, there is a good example in the debian reference guide
21:46.05Titan8990yes, and the man page
21:46.10fishsponge_presumably i'll have to edit /etc/resolv.conf as well, right?
21:46.18valdynfishsponge_: depends
21:46.29Titan8990fishsponge_, no, you can set that in /etc/network/interfaces too but you need the resolvconf package
21:46.34valdynfishsponge_: i doubt you do in your current setup
21:46.57valdynfishsponge_: read the file, if it tells you not to edit it, then dont edit it...
21:47.03valdynfishsponge_: that would be in the first 2 lines
21:47.15valdyn#     DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN
21:47.20fishsponge_hmm... "dpkg -l | grep resolvconf" returns nothing, so presumably, currently i'll need to edit resolv.conf and interfaces...
21:47.20valdynhow subtle
21:47.24Titan8990valdyn, what file is that?
21:47.34valdynTitan8990: resolv.conf as managed by resolvconf
21:47.36Titan8990fishsponge_, or install it...
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21:48.10fishsponge_Titan8990, i'd rather not install it unless i have to... i don't mind editing two files - it'll only ever happen once on this machine
21:49.01fishsponge_if i run "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0" through an SSH session, will the second command actually run?
21:49.14valdynneat to have all config in one file, but then you have non-obvious manpages to read, like "man resolvconf" to figure out options for the interfaces file
21:49.41valdynfishsponge_: no
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21:50.20fishsponge_bugger... it does on opensuse... lol, i'll have to get myself upstairs for that part then... not a major concern!
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21:50.31valdynfishsponge_: it sure doesnt on opensuse
21:50.45fishsponge_it definitely does... no idea how, but it does
21:50.47Titan8990fishsponge_, /etc/init.d/networking restart should work
21:50.57valdynfishsponge_: that command doesnt run on opensuse either
21:51.02Titan8990fishsponge_, unless your giving it a different IP, then you will no doubt lose your session
21:51.28fishsponge_but i've run it at work many times as a way of restarting the network without disconnecting my SSH session... if it's on the same IP, it just stays connected!
21:51.31valdynfishsponge_: man nohup btw, or man screen
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21:51.43fishsponge_maybe it's not opensuse in that case... could be solaris, but doubt it
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21:51.44fishsponge_and that's all we have at work!
21:51.55valdynfishsponge_: main thing is that its probably not bash?
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21:51.57fishsponge_screen is amazing... use that already
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21:52.09Titan8990alright, im curious, firing up my suse box to see it really has debian's ifup/ifdown
21:52.16fishsponge_valdyn, ah, ok, solaris it probably is then... bash is not default there
21:52.21fishsponge_anyway, back on topic! lol
21:53.07hxB5Hello, can someone remind me of the command to bring up/down a wireless network interface(wlan0 in my case)? I thought it was #iwconfig wlan0 down(up) but that doesn't work...
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21:53.30fishsponge_ok, the only example in "man interfaces" is this one: http://pastebin.ca/1718750
21:53.32valdynhxB5: ifconfig instead of iwconfig
21:53.33Titan8990yeah suse has ifup/ifdown but it is not the same that is in debian
21:53.44fishsponge_and that looks far from optimal... obviously it needs some tweaking...
21:54.12valdynfishsponge_: hows that far from optimal?
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21:54.48hxB5well my wlan0 interface is not listed in /etc/network/interfaces ... so i cannot use ifconfig
21:54.59valdynhxB5: wrong
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21:55.09hxB5should it be listed there?
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21:55.22hxB5am on squeeze
21:55.23fishsponge_well, it's mentioning eth1, which I want nothing to do with on my system, mentions "mapping" and seems to deal with eth0-home and eth0-work, which i don't think i need.
21:55.25valdynhxB5: ifconfig does not need /etc/network/interfaces
21:55.30MeliorWhat tools may rip subtitles from dvd?
21:55.32fishsponge_i just need eth0 to have 1 IP, subnet and gateway
21:55.36abrotmanhxB5: is it in dmegs ?
21:55.37abrotmandmesg
21:55.44fishsponge_actually, presumably i need to edit a third file to sort out the default gateway, right?
21:56.04abrotmandid you man interfaces ?
21:56.10Titan8990fishsponge_, no, that goes in /etc/network/interfaces too
21:56.12fishsponge_yes, and i looked at the example
21:56.46fishsponge_the thing is, the example has no default gateway specified in it as far as I can see
21:56.48hxB5hmmm.  i've got "ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link is not ready"
21:57.02Titan8990fishsponge_, that example is for mappings... read on
21:57.07fishsponge_i'm sure this isn't a tough problem, and i'm really trying to figure it out here...
21:57.21fishsponge_i would read on, but there aren't any other examples in that man page...
21:57.23valdynfishsponge_: "man interfaces"  then type /gateway
21:57.28valdynfishsponge_: and dont tell me that was not obvious
21:57.49hxB5actually, i just switched my interface into monitoring, then killed the tool, and restarted it... and it fails, saying probably my interface is to be restarted
21:57.54hxB5(kismet)
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21:59.41fishsponge_well, ok... it does seem obvious now... i would have thought the most common configuration of /etc/network/interfaces was either dhcp or static though, and there is no complete example for either of them!
21:59.49unlofldoes anyone know a way to configure hotkeys or a script to receive input from only one of two keyboards attached to a computer?
21:59.52gpkvtfishsponge_ http://pastebin.ca/1718757
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22:00.03abrotmanfishsponge_: it's a pretty basic file ..
22:00.44icebrainwhat's the Debian way to install a package from CPAN?
22:00.52unloflI have a strange usb gamepad thing which functions as a standard usb input device, and I want to use single keys on only that device (a,s,d,f for example) but obvisouly It can't interfere with input from my normal keyboard
22:01.12hxB5should my wlan0 interface be added to the /etc/network/interfaces file?
22:01.27fishsponge_ok... so how does this look for a static configuration of /etc/network/interfaces?  http://pastebin.ca/1718762
22:01.31abrotmanfishsponge_: and oyu'll notice at the bottom it points you at a file with more examples
22:01.35fishsponge_i will sort out resolv.conf in a sec
22:01.38Titan8990fishsponge_, i pointed you to the debian reference guide that had full examples
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22:01.58jamelynfishsponge_: totally wrong
22:02.02fishsponge_really?
22:02.11fishsponge_that kinda sucks... lol
22:02.15jamelynfishsponge_: stop wasting time and READ what you've been given
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22:02.32abrotmanzless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz
22:02.33fishsponge_oh bugger, i left dhcp in place
22:02.43abrotmanare you getting paid for this?
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22:03.04valdyneth0 on hotplug
22:03.06valdynhow obvious
22:03.13valdyni thought this was not a desktop
22:03.19fishsponge_i have been reading it... and given what i've read so far, i've come up with my best guess... you have to make a judgement call at some point otherwise you'd read documentation forever and never actually attempt anything, if you know what i mean...
22:03.33jamelynyour judgment sucks
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22:03.36fishsponge_i read what i thought i needed to read to attempt my first config, and went for it! it was wrong, so i'll read more
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22:03.41fishsponge_thanks jamelyn
22:04.10fishsponge_i have to disappear briefly now anyway... NAS at work just went down!
22:04.30jamelynjesus...you're an admin at work?
22:04.46fishsponge_well yes, but not with debian!
22:05.11fishsponge_opensuse, a bit of solaris and netapp mostly
22:05.25fishsponge_and with opensuse and netapp i'm a hell of a lot better than i'm making it seem here!
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22:05.49abrotmanusing yast ?
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22:06.06valdyn./lastlog yast2 ;)
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22:06.28fishsponge_well yes, most of the time - it's quicker than learning how to edit the files and i have no time at work!
22:06.35abrotmanyast isn't being an admin
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22:06.45fishsponge_not on solaris though, obviously, but that's all forgotten now because they've never crashed since they were built!
22:07.33abrotmanmy brother was whining earlier about having to install RPMs manually because his yast is broken because his version of SuSE is out of maintenance or some crap
22:07.42abrotmanlooks to see if his brother is in #debian ...
22:08.12fishsponge_well yeah, suse versions do disappear from the repos after 1.5 years, which sucks, but we keep local copies for the legacy machines
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22:08.34jamelynawesome.  a machine with no security updates but you leave in production?  rockin'
22:08.42valdynyast was a fucking pain when i used it
22:08.48abrotmanit still is
22:08.53valdyn( but that was probably 1998 )
22:08.56fishsponge_i'm trying to move over to debian slowly, but still learning as you can tell. i finished building our new dovecot/debian mail server recently, and learned loads from that
22:08.59abrotmanjamelyn: it's not my machine ..
22:09.09fishsponge_not about the network though, because it was configured during install and never touch since!
22:09.47fishsponge_jamelyn, yes there are machines with no security updates, and we'd love to upgrade them, but the team that uses them won't let us upgrade them or their research will break
22:10.42abrotmanvaldyn: remember the project that was trying to alter yast to work on debian ?
22:10.42fishsponge_our IT team is sadly dictated by the users, not the other way around. the users *are* technical people, but they do still dictate when we can upgrade certain things!
22:10.43abrotmanhttp://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/ .. gah .. still exists!!
22:10.43valdynabrotman: haha, barely
22:10.43fishsponge_Yast on debian would be awful
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22:10.43abrotmans/on debian//
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22:11.15valdynwhat debian needs though is a way to find function performed in all the dpkg-reconfigure <packagename>
22:11.30fishsponge_don't get me wrong... i don't *like* yast... but when you have 30 seconds or so to make a change because you have a meeting in 15 minutes with 30 minutes of prep to do, and neither task can wait, you simply cannot spend time learning config files - the quickest method wins
22:11.53valdyni.e. dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration to do what DontZap does, messy to find
22:11.56jamelynediting config files is the quickest way to make a change
22:11.56fishsponge_it sucks... i wish i had more time, i really do
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22:12.05tarzeauvaldyn: no they need a graphic designer to redo www.debian.org
22:12.06jamelynyou just need to buy a book and read it
22:12.08fishsponge_jamelyn, only when you know which ones to edit and what to change
22:12.15jamelynthus reading
22:12.20valdyntarzeau: oo, noooo
22:12.24fishsponge_i have no time for reading (at work anyway)
22:12.39tarzeauwww.debian.org is the 2nd most ugly webpage on earth
22:12.45tarzeauand the ugliest one is www.gnustep.org
22:12.51fishsponge_work is frantic from the moment i get in to the moment i leave... very little time to do anything, and there's no budget for an assistant.
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22:13.18fishsponge_right, anyway... port 3 on our nas is down, so BRB!
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22:14.52fishsponge_i'm not even at work, either... which sucks
22:15.01fishsponge_well, it sucks that i'm doing work from home again!
22:15.05simonrvnvaldyn: 'configure-debian'
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22:15.51abrotman!grounding
22:15.52dpkgBefore asking in here or on the debian-user mailing list, you should read the Installation Guide, or if you already have Debian installed, the Debian Reference.  Ask me about <ig>, <reference>, <refcard>, <docs>, <manuals>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your IRC client, type /msg dpkg reference)
22:16.17fishsponge_abrotman, aimed at me?
22:16.28abrotmanyou, and people that need to read :)
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22:16.38abrotmanbut the reference is pretty good
22:17.05valdynsimonrvn: doesnt really help me search
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22:17.27simonrvnno, but you can get an idea of what is what
22:17.42valdynsimonrvn: i just used grep in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ i think
22:17.52fishsponge_ok, i'm gonna be a while - looks like a damn switch has died!
22:17.55valdynsimonrvn: it needs to beat *that*
22:18.09simonrvnit needs more TLC ;)
22:19.02valdynsimonrvn: i.e. grep -i keyword /var/lib/dpkg/info/*templates
22:19.07gorpquit
22:19.14simonrvn*nods*
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22:20.17magyar_hi, i did a backup with dump, how can i use "restore" to only show all files in the dump file?
22:21.25xaashihi anyone familiar with apt-proxy i keep getting lost of "skipped- wrong format or corrupted" errors when i try importing packages to it
22:21.44valdyni know that apt-proxy is a pos
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22:26.04valdynxaashi: is dpkg-dev installed?
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22:27.06xaashivaldyn: dpkg -l reports  yes
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22:33.28fishsponge_hello again... i'm back! lol, anyway... i have been reading some more and come up with a new static NIC config... would someone mind taking a look? http://pastebin.ca/1718806
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22:36.58abrotmanfishsponge_: do you even know what 'up flush-mail' does ?
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22:37.17abrotmancomment out line 10,13,15
22:37.32abrotmanand 17 .. since you don't know what it does
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22:37.39abrotmanthis is why copy/paste is bad kids ...
22:38.12fishsponge_nope... but it was there to begin with, so it's still there now. i'm trying to google it currently as it's not mentioned in the man page, but having no luck so far...
22:38.45fishsponge_well, i did question flush-mail, but i don't remove stuff from config files until i find out what it does
22:38.53valdynfishsponge_: geez
22:38.55abrotmanbut it wasn't there ...
22:39.11phoggfishsponge_: funny, I don't put stuff in config files until I know what it does.
22:39.16valdynfishsponge_: the "up" is in the manpage to interfaces, obviously has to be
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22:39.31valdynfishsponge_: the flush-mail might not even be in debian, it doesnt have to be
22:39.55fishsponge_valdyn, i don't put stuff in config files unless i know what it does either, but when it's there by default, i don't remove it
22:40.07valdynfishsponge_: thats an example, not a default
22:40.13fishsponge_if i removed everything that was default in every config file i ever edited, my life would be a nightmare
22:40.25fishsponge_good point
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22:40.37fooDoes oom-killer kill what is sucking up a lot of memory? Or does it just kill things at random?
22:41.01patrikffoo: it's a sophistiacted heuristic that tries to kill the right process. ;-)
22:41.02fishsponge_ok, new one here: http://pastebin.ca/1718818 - how does this look?
22:41.15valdynfoo: theres probably heuristics, but you can take that as random
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22:41.29fishsponge_other than a couple of changes, it doesn't look too different to the one that was apparently "completely wrong" i posted earlier
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22:41.35valdynfoo: except that it should do a little better than that for you on average
22:41.58valdynfoo: its certainly not killing something just because its using alot of ram
22:42.03foovaldyn / patrikf: ok. It randomly comes to life and kills things off... and I'm not sure what is sucking up memory and causing it to do so. I'm about to write a script that logs top -n 1 whenever it seems oom-killer in the syslog... is there any better way to troubleshoot this other than that?
22:42.10fishsponge_foo, we've had oom-killer kill some stuff on our backup once or twice, and it rarely chooses the same process you would
22:42.35valdynfoo: either what got killed or what is still using alot of memory
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22:42.47valdynfoo: or is that process shrunk again in your case?
22:42.52foovaldyn: it's killed named, mysql, and apache
22:43.05foovaldyn: I'm not sure all of those are using a ton of memory
22:43.35fishsponge_does anyone know if my interfaces file looks correct and complete now?  http://pastebin.ca/1718818
22:44.18katylfishsponge_: looks good to me
22:45.10fishsponge_thanks, katyl
22:45.16katylfishsponge_: np
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22:46.22fooHow/lastlog foo
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22:46.54foovaldyn / fishsponge_ / patrikf - any tips on troubleshooting oom-killer coming to life and finding out what is taking up memory? This has been happening for weeks and other than writing a script, I'm not sure what else to do
22:47.01eitanHello all.
22:47.25patrikffoo: what happens to the machine after oom-killer did its job?
22:47.33eitanDoes anyone know what happened to the weekly builds of debian testing? They don't seem to be available at http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/
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22:48.30foopatrikf: it either A) crashes completely and goes unresponsive, or B) kills off some very important resource (like the database or apache) ...
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22:48.58valdynfoo: monitor kern.log and vmstat 1 with timestamps and wait for it to happen
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22:49.52foovaldyn: I'll need to automate it, it happens at random, usually at very inconvenient times
22:49.54fishsponge_ok, interfaces file edited, "/etc/init.d/networking restart" executed, now pingable on correct IP, but SSH not working...
22:50.05fishsponge_going to restart sshd on console!
22:50.14xandhow can I get a UUID for my swap partitions to put in fstab? blkid doesn't list one for them, neither does /dev/disk/by-uuid/
22:50.17valdynfoo: sure, monitoring that does not need you to watch it happen
22:50.44foohm, it has to be apache
22:50.53Trewasfoo: is memory tight even during normal operation? if so, then adding swap might help
22:50.59valdynfoo: that last kill in a squence is probably the right one, and you already have logs
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22:51.31valdynfoo: no
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22:52.00valdynfoo: apache could be the parent to whatever php crap, killing apache would kill the php crap
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22:52.46foovaldyn: oh, right. But, for instance... the box has 1GB RAM. Apache processes on average appear to be 60-90MB of RES memory (via top). MaxClients is set at 100. that's probably the problem...
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22:54.00fishsponge_ok, now i have a new problem... since going from dhcp to static, sshd only works for a few seconds after botup.
22:54.19fishsponge_i can SSH in, run a few commands, but then the connection dies, and I am unable to initiate any new ones
22:54.23fishsponge_any idea what's going on?
22:54.24ruben23hi guys, is it possible to ssh without always making input of passwd
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22:54.41markybobruben23, google it
22:55.00pclarkHow can I remove with apt or aptitude all the packages belonging to a specific branch, eg. sid, from the command line? thanks
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22:55.15valdynfoo: why so huge?
22:55.19fishsponge_ruben23, you need to generate a private/public key using "ssh-keygen -t rsa" on the client machine, then paste the contents of "id_rsa.pub" into "/homedir/.ssh/authorized_keys" on the server
22:55.42fishsponge_ruben23, that's one way, anyway
22:56.07foovaldyn: why is an apache child taking 60-90GB of RAM.. hmm. Actually, maybe it's the way we serve up files. We serve up files via PHP, and they're like 100MB mp3s. Since PHP serves it up, maybe it has to read into memory first? I need to talk with the devs on this one
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22:56.26valdynfoo: i see
22:56.32fishsponge_anyway... does anyone have any idea why SSH connections keep dying now i've switched to static instead of DHCP??
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22:56.57valdynfoo: thats not bad, just your server lacks ram
22:57.15foovaldyn: yeah, 1GB is pretty low. I didn't realize we were having this
22:57.28hero100era?
22:57.37pclarkfishsponge_: I think there's a "keep alive" parameter inside the sshd
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22:58.00fishsponge_pclark, maybe, but once my connection has been terminated, I an unable to start any new ones
22:58.01ruben23fishsponge_:ok thanks....im using windows client and debian server.
22:58.17fishsponge_pclark, so it doesn't sound like a keepalive issue
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22:58.40pclarkfishsponge_: no idea then, sorry
22:58.45fishsponge_ruben23, PuTTY can cope with passwordless logins. that is something to google though, as i know nothing about that i'm afraid
22:58.53fishsponge_pclark, thanks anyway :-)
22:59.07fishsponge_anyone else had SSH connections dying after changing from DHCP to static?
22:59.26fishsponge_i don't really want to reinstall debian for a third time tonight! lol
22:59.39valdynruben23: you need a public / private key pair and add the public key to servers ~/.ssh/authorized_keys file
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23:00.20valdynruben23: then theres ssh-keygen and ssh-add-key ( but that one might not work with putty, no idea )
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23:00.49valdynruben23: ssh-add-key facilitates adding of the key to authorized_kays
23:01.02fishsponge_if i restart SSHd, it doesn't help, but if i reboot the machine, I can SSH in again for a few seconds
23:01.09fishsponge_nothing in /var/log/messages either :-(
23:01.21valdynruben23: oops, ssh-add, not ssh-add-key
23:01.39fishsponge_i'm SSHing in as root temporarily, if that makes a difference
23:02.42valdynfishsponge_: you still have a dhclient running?
23:02.52valdynfishsponge_: monitor your actual ip
23:02.53Agiofwsdoes debian include python  3.1 in its repo i cant find it   on lenny
23:03.04valdynfishsponge_: ssh does not like switching ips
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23:03.35markybobAgiofws, only experimental
23:03.39zortonvaldyn: but's it's surprising how long you can leave a ssh session hanging and then come back to it
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23:04.21Agiofwsmarkybob,   ?
23:04.30fishsponge_valdyn, probably... let me stop dhclient... i guess that's what keeps overwriting /etc/resolv.conf too, right?
23:04.38markybobAgiofws, no.  it's only in experimental.
23:04.42dkrzorton: mine are usually just interrupted by kernel upgrades. :)
23:04.46valdynfishsponge_: yea
23:04.55fishsponge_it'd be nice if dhclient looked at /etc/network/interfaces to see if it was actually needed before it just goes and makes changes! lol
23:05.08Agiofwsmarkybob,  cant i install it ?
23:05.25zortondkr: I typicaly reboot for kernels' on remote DOS or holes
23:05.28markybobAgiofws, on lenny? no.  you'll have all sorts of problems
23:05.38valdynid be deeply annoyed of dhclient started thinking whats right for me
23:05.47fishsponge_/etc/init.d/dhclient doesn't exist... any advice?
23:05.47Agiofwswhat kind ?
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23:06.00Agiofwsi need it to compile  belnder .25
23:06.01fishsponge_actually, it's not running...
23:06.03valdynfishsponge_: kill the running dhclient
23:06.04Agiofwsi need it to compile  belnder .2.5
23:06.10valdynfishsponge_: like in use the command "kill"
23:06.12fishsponge_"ps -efww | grep dhclient" returns nothing
23:06.22fishsponge_ok... let's see if this happens again... hopefully not
23:06.22valdynfishsponge_: network-manager?
23:06.37fishsponge_"ps -efww | grep network" returns nothing either
23:06.42fishsponge_i never installed network-manager anyway
23:06.50fishsponge_and there is no X on this machine whatsoever
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23:07.02fishsponge_well, i mean i installed "Standard system" in the install, and nothing else
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23:07.49fishsponge_anyway, can i now uninstall the dhcp3-client and dhcp3-common packages safely?
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23:08.06fishsponge_(after the third reboot, by the way, SSH seems to be stable again... this is very strange
23:08.14fishsponge_actually, no it's not. it just died again
23:08.22fishsponge_this is strange... any more ideas?
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23:09.51fishsponge_FYI - sshd isn't actually dying, it's just terminating current connections and disallowing new ones. dhclient isn't running and neither is network-manager. anything else that could cause this?
23:10.09fishsponge_i can login on the console just fine and there is nothing in /var/log/messages
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23:10.41fishsponge_and i can still ping the machine
23:10.45fishsponge_let me nmap it
23:11.24valdynfishsponge_: remove your ~/.ssh/known_hosts
23:11.29valdynfishsponge_: then log in
23:11.44fishsponge_ok, let me go reboot the server again first
23:11.51fishsponge_actually, where is putty's known hosts file?
23:11.55valdynfishsponge_: wth is reboot supposed to do?
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23:12.06fishsponge_i'll be able to login again once it's rebooted anyway, for 30-60 seconds
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23:13.51fishsponge_right, i may have found the problem (damn it!)... i set it's IP to 192.168.10.13, but I added it's hostname into my DNS server as 192.168.10.12... could this cause the problem i'm seeing?
23:14.21fishsponge_so cabbage looked up as .12, but the server itself (called cabbage) was set to .13
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23:16.02fishsponge_right... so server and DNS now match... both are on .12
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23:16.15fishsponge_i've also added my DNS server into resolv.conf and added a search line
23:16.35fishsponge_next question is... how can I find out what i set the domain to during install? i fear i may have put in our domain from work...
23:16.44jamelyn!enter
23:16.44dpkgThe enter key is not a substitute for punctuation.  Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying.  Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead.  If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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23:17.01fishsponge_jamelyn, point taken :-)
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23:18.37fishsponge_anyway... anyone know how can I find out what i set the domain to during install? i fear i may have put in our domain from work...
23:19.04jamelynit'll be in /etc/hosts
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23:19.18fishsponge_ok, that;s correct already
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23:19.38fishsponge_what happened to /etc/domainname? or was it the "domainname" command... maybe the command is a NIS thing... can't remember now
23:19.54fishsponge_who knows!
23:20.58Trampfishsponge_: man dnsdomainname, search for FQDN
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23:27.28fishsponge_is there any reason i shouldn't have a group with ID 100?
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23:28.07fishsponge_i haven't setup central auth yet, so have local account on my few machines here at home, and i'd rather not change my group ID and chgrp everything!
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23:28.57Trampfishsponge_: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.2.2
23:29.01fishsponge_actually, group 100 is already users!
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23:30.15fishsponge_ok, so next question... is putting this line into /etc/fstab the best way of mounting an NFS at boot time? 192.168.10.13:/backup   /backup nfs     rw,bg,tcp,timeo=600,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,hard,intr 0 0
23:30.46abrotmanfishsponge_: try it ?
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23:31.18pclarkHow can I remove with apt or aptitude all the packages belonging to a specific branch, eg. sid, from the command line? thanks
23:31.31fishsponge_well, i know it'll work, but just cos something works doesn't mean it's the best way... i know the mount options are valid, so i guess my question is whether putting lines in /etc/fstab is the best way of mounting NFS volumes
23:31.45fishsponge_i presume it is, as I can't think of any other way, but thought i'd ask :-)
23:34.18fishsponge_is the "ntpdate" package the right one for the ntp client?
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23:35.25fishsponge_or the "ntp" package?
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23:36.33Trampfishsponge_: if you want to run ntp as daemon, you want ntp (and that's, what you usually want)
23:36.45fishsponge_ok, i just installed the "ntpdate" package as that looked most likely to be the one, but there was no /etc/ntp*, so not sure how to configure...
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23:37.18fishsponge_that includes a client daemon and server daemon, presumably... i already have an NTP server here, so just the client daemon i need
23:37.56Trampntp is "peer-to-peer" - there are no "client" or "server" daemons
23:38.26Trampif you already have ntp, you can purge ntpdate again.
23:39.03fishsponge_ok... well let's say that I already have a machine that has what i consider to be the definitive time, and I want evertything else to match it. My "server" is the only machine on 24x7 so I'd like all other machines (including my new debian box) to get it's time from that one
23:39.19fishsponge_hence why i thought my existing machine was serving the time, and my debian box was a client...
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23:39.59Trampso synchronize your "inferior" machines against this "7x24" server.
23:40.37abrotmanuse ntp, not ntpdate
23:40.44fishsponge_i do already... which is what i wanted to do with the debian box... i've installed the ntp package now, as you suggested and have found and edited ntp.conf!
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23:43.57fishsponge_can i easily test whether NTP is working properly from my "server"?
23:44.09fishsponge_i can't telnet, cos ntp is UDP, of course... any other option?
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23:44.18fishsponge_can't nmap either AFAIK
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23:47.05fishsponge_hmm... perhaps that's for another day, when i'm less tired!
23:48.37fishsponge_what's lm_sensors known as these days?
23:48.46Trampfishsponge_: man ntpq
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23:52.40fishsponge_how can i run the exim configuration "wizard"?
23:52.45fishsponge_does that still exist?
23:52.57Kamping_Kaiserthe debconf config tool?
23:53.06Kamping_Kaiserfishsponge_: dpkg-reconfigure -plow exim4-config
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23:53.20jiggaboojonezi'd like to download an install debian. one w/latest kernel to power up a netbook w/wifi.
23:53.43jiggaboojonezath9k is my wifi card. i had troubles w/this on buntu.
23:53.56markybobjiggaboojonez, you can try http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/
23:54.27jiggaboojonezthis is a asus 1005ha netbook i'm using..
23:54.34jiggaboojonezthanks markybob
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23:55.15fishsponge_"Domains to relay mail for" - i am only accepting mail from localhost, and I want to be able to deliver it anywhere, so should i put * or leave it blank?
23:55.27fishsponge_it's not clear from the description
23:55.42markybobblank
23:55.56fishsponge_that's what i thought... it mentions wildcards can be used, which confused me slightly
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23:58.08jiggaboojonezmarkybob: the two kernels 2..6.30 and 2.28.. what does +ubuntu firmware mean?
23:58.38markybobjiggaboojonez, non-free firmwares are included.  if it'll help your wifi problem, i dont know
23:58.53markybobjiggaboojonez, thus the "try"
23:59.39jiggaboojonezok.. thanks markybob i will test out both. i remember i was able to get wifi by backport modules

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