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| 00:00.17 | xxtjaxx | Hidiho evverybody anybody knows of a cross packagemanaement system type application on debian that could help me creating a local suse linux package mirror? |
| 00:00.20 | jhutchins_lt | xoz: I think you have that backwards, postscript is the printer control language (but can also be saved as a file). |
| 00:00.49 | jhutchins_lt | xxtjaxx: rsync? |
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| 00:01.08 | jhutchins_lt | xxtjaxx: alien? |
| 00:01.32 | MrTorque | what for is netatalk? it starts with system boot. didn't notice that yesterday |
| 00:01.49 | xoz | MrTorque: for mac networking |
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| 00:02.07 | MrTorque | xoz: does samba run this? |
| 00:02.11 | xxtjaxx | jhutchins_lt: alien changes rpms2debs but I will need a local mirror for a users box and my internet is pretty slow most of the time :/ |
| 00:02.37 | xoz | MrTorque: i dont think so |
| 00:03.09 | jhutchins_lt | xxtjaxx: I believe alien will also do deb to rpm, but what is the task you need to do? |
| 00:03.17 | MrTorque | xoz: is it active by default? why does it start on my system? |
| 00:03.54 | jhutchins_lt | SuSE should have info on how to mirror their repos. |
| 00:04.10 | xoz | MrTorque: aptitude remove netatalk |
| 00:04.27 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: netatalk is appletalk networking. |
| 00:04.51 | xoz | MrTorque: probably you installed a desktop |
| 00:05.09 | MrTorque | i am just curios why it is installed why it is started (takes very long to do so) |
| 00:05.12 | xoz | MrTorque: which has plenty of dependencies and installed them all |
| 00:05.27 | xoz | MrTorque: what desktop are you using? |
| 00:05.30 | MrTorque | xoz: i did coose server, not desktop |
| 00:05.48 | xoz | MrTorque: it has maybe long timeout due to no network speaking apple talk |
| 00:06.04 | xoz | MrTorque: just remove it |
| 00:06.15 | MrTorque | xoz: no x-server etc. installed. i installed then apache, luks, samba, vim, screen rcconf (thats it i think, plus dependencies) |
| 00:06.25 | xoz | judd: depends netatalk |
| 00:06.26 | judd | xoz: netatalk -- Depends: netbase, libpam-modules, libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libcomerr2 (>= 1.01), libcups2 (>= 1.3.8), libdb4.6, libgnutls26 (>= 2.4.0-0), libkrb53 (>= 1.6.dfsg.2), libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), libwrap0 (>= 7.6-4~), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), perl |
| 00:06.46 | xxtjaxx | jhutchins_lt: given is a local user with me and a server box on a really slow out side world connection. Now at sometimes those orgies happen of excessive downloads for an update. I (as the admin here) can cope with keeping my box running over night but nnot the user. Into the mix add a small debian server box standing around twiddling thumbs most of the time. The plan now is ( so far there is no app on debian for that ) setting up a |
| 00:06.47 | xxtjaxx | small chroot then add in mirrorish goodness (what ever that is on a suse system) and only fetch updates for packages that are installed on that system |
| 00:06.47 | xoz | judd: probably netbase |
| 00:06.48 | judd | xoz: Error: "probably" is not a valid command. |
| 00:06.55 | xoz | hehe |
| 00:07.05 | xoz | MrTorque: netbase maybe pulled it |
| 00:07.31 | xoz | MrTorque: no. it should be provides... not depends |
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| 00:08.13 | jhutchins_lt | xxtjaxx: No need for anything rpm specific, probably just use rsync, but check SuSE's mirror policies for things like how often you can update, etc. |
| 00:08.21 | jhutchins_lt | xxtjaxx: No need for a chroot or anything. |
| 00:08.35 | mikexcr | ctmjr: but why invoke-rc.d make problems? |
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| 00:09.19 | jhutchins_lt | xxtjaxx: There are scripts to make mirror maintenance automatic. Some of the big mirrors are on manframe hardware and may not even be running *nix. |
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| 00:12.30 | ctmjr | mikexcr: look's like you have a bad symlink make sure /etc/rc2.d/S91apache2 is valid |
| 00:12.57 | xxtjaxx | hmm... |
| 00:13.13 | jhutchins_lt | xoz: I notice my server has it too. |
| 00:13.33 | jhutchins_lt | xoz: Doesn't remove anything else if I purge it though. |
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| 00:17.08 | jhutchins_lt | Security updates on ntp... I need to sign up for the package announcement list. |
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| 00:17.24 | xoz | jhutchins_lt: that is strange. |
| 00:17.32 | xxtjaxx | jhutchins_lt: for work? |
| 00:18.06 | xoz | if you install file-server task in tasksel i think |
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| 00:20.10 | jhutchins_lt | xxtjaxx: ? |
| 00:20.34 | mythomaniac | anyone using debian testing with a non-desktop environment (read just a window manager) and able to use .xinitrc in their /home/<usr> directory? |
| 00:21.35 | jhutchins_lt | mythomaniac: I remember someone having trouble with that a while back. |
| 00:21.48 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: depends on how you're starting X |
| 00:21.49 | jhutchins_lt | Their wm wouldn't start if they had a .xinitrc. |
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| 00:21.59 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro, startx? |
| 00:22.02 | xxtjaxx | jhutchins_lt: I mean for ( except you are one of the packagers dependend/working on ntp packages mailing list) what you need the ntp list? |
| 00:22.17 | mythomaniac | jhutchins_lt, yeah same here |
| 00:22.26 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: and then at the end you exec your window manager, right? |
| 00:22.28 | xoz | mythomaniac: if you use xdm, it honors it i think. but gdm wont |
| 00:22.59 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro, no... i was going to use .xinitrc to start some programs when X started |
| 00:23.16 | xoz | mythomaniac: wht window manager? openbox? |
| 00:23.20 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: that's fine, but at the end, you need to exec your window manager. |
| 00:23.43 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: if you don't have a .xinitrc, by default the system starts the window manager for you, but if you do, it's your job to start it |
| 00:23.52 | xoz | mythomaniac: goto /etc/X11/openbox/autostart.sh and place them there...this is just an example |
| 00:24.56 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro, really... the window manager wont start unless its executed from .xinitrc... it never used to be like that... i'll try it |
| 00:25.03 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: no, it's always been like that |
| 00:25.04 | jhutchins_lt | xxtjaxx: I mean the general debian package release announcment list, so I'll know when I need to update stuff. |
| 00:25.18 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: if you don't have a .xsession or .xinitrc, then one is started for you. |
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| 00:25.40 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: the reason why this is done is because otherwise you're stuck running whatever the system-wide default is. |
| 00:25.41 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro, hmm... it may have been a while for me since i last used an .xinitrc file... |
| 00:26.13 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro, ok i'll make the changes and then start x again... |
| 00:26.22 | dondelelcaro | see /etc/X11/Xsession and the corresponding files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d |
| 00:26.45 | xxtjaxx | jhutchins_lt: oh that one |
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| 00:27.09 | xoz | just discovered that vim-latexsuite is really handy... |
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| 00:31.15 | zamba | i have two 160 GB hard drives running in raid-1.. i now want to replace these with two 1 TB drives.. how can i best do this? i'm running software raid |
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| 00:32.51 | jhutchins_lt | zamb: How many drives does the motherboard support? |
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| 00:34.48 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro, yeah... no go... |
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| 00:35.37 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: put your .xinitrc up somewhere |
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| 00:36.14 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: alternatively, see http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_base/.xsession for an example |
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| 00:36.16 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro, all it is is startx $(which awesome) |
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| 00:36.32 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: uh... no. |
| 00:36.52 | dondelelcaro | mythomaniac: you want #!/bin/sh\nexec awesome; |
| 00:36.57 | mythomaniac | oh... |
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| 00:37.09 | dondelelcaro | and you probably also want it +x, though that's optional. |
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| 00:38.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | you didn't say what type of raid |
| 00:40.18 | xoz | ... awsome is an awsome tab wm... |
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| 00:44.35 | mythomaniac_ | dondelelcaro, that did fix the issue... |
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| 00:50.22 | Morbus | g'day. i have manually made changes to my resolv.conf, but it seems to be resetting back to the defaults on its own accord. has happened twice in as many days. i am not running resolvconf per http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkConfiguration#Theresolv.confconfigurationfile. Dunno why it's resetting. |
| 00:51.03 | xoz | dhclient can change it |
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| 00:51.20 | Morbus | ok. that's definitely in my process list. |
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| 00:51.23 | Morbus | i'll google on that. thanks. |
| 00:51.46 | xoz | Morbus: are you using dhcp or static address? |
| 00:51.49 | temoto | Hello. Could i speak with any git-based packet maintainer? |
| 00:52.03 | Morbus | xoz: it's an amazon ec2 image, so dhcp presumably. |
| 00:52.32 | mythomaniac_ | dondelelcaro, thanks man... |
| 00:53.05 | Morbus | http://www.netbsd.org/docs/network/dhcp.html#keep-resolv-conf looks good. |
| 00:53.59 | LinuxGuy2009 | When I have a folder full of photos and I change the magnifying glass at the top to increase the photo thumbnail previews larger, they dont get regreshed so they are clear and sharp, instead i think they just get resized so they look blurry a bit. Is there a package I need installed to have them look better or something Im not doing? |
| 00:54.22 | xoz | Morbus: you need the client config. that is the server |
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| 00:54.48 | Morbus | root 642 0.0 0.0 6292 652 ? Ss Dec17 0:00 dhclient3 -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth0.pid -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth0.leases eth0 |
| 00:54.51 | Morbus | that's in my process list... |
| 00:54.53 | xoz | Morbus: you should disable request for nameserver if you want a particular name server |
| 00:55.07 | Morbus | i want a particular nameserver and a particular search domains. |
| 00:55.15 | xoz | check /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
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| 00:56.07 | xoz | Morbus: request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, blah... just remove those you dont want updated |
| 00:56.14 | mythomaniac_ | dondelelcaro, however, i just noticed that the status tray has disappeared, any idea why this is? |
| 00:56.34 | Morbus | xoz: ideally, i don't want it to ever futz with my resolv.conf file again. |
| 00:56.44 | Morbus | to quote lopez, "i got this [dhclient]!" |
| 00:56.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | Can anyone verify that there system does the same thing as mine? |
| 00:56.55 | xoz | Morbus: that is for domain name and domain name server request i think |
| 00:56.57 | pipeline | Morbus: Edit it to your liking, then chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf, problem fucking solved. |
| 00:57.08 | pipeline | Morbus: attr immutable = nothing can fuck with it, even uid 0 is powerless |
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| 00:57.14 | Morbus | heh. |
| 00:57.17 | xoz | mythomaniac_: you mean the xconsole? |
| 00:57.25 | pipeline | Morbus: fuck understanding resolvconf, it's so easy to break it instead :D |
| 00:57.34 | xoz | pipeline: good suggestion |
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| 00:58.10 | Morbus | xoz: looks like i can just change this whole line to 'request' |
| 00:58.13 | Morbus | per the man page. |
| 00:58.13 | mythomaniac_ | xoz, i mean the system tray... |
| 00:58.38 | xoz | Morbus: yep. the cleaner way |
| 00:58.40 | Morbus | xoz: is there a way for me to force dhclient to request a new list of things so i can see that it's not gonna break it? |
| 00:59.02 | xoz | Morbus: man dhclient.conf |
| 00:59.05 | mythomaniac_ | xoz, i'm using awesome window manager btw |
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| 00:59.53 | xoz | Morbus: and also man dhclient |
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| 01:00.15 | xoz | mythomaniac_: i think you have to cycle using meta-spacebar? |
| 01:00.34 | mythomaniac_ | xoz, and talking with the people in awesome... its seem to be that this version of awesome has such a bug in it, but is fixed in 3.4.3 :/ |
| 01:01.18 | xoz | mythomaniac_: used awsome before... nice for console interactions... but still a little awkward for some applications. |
| 01:01.41 | mythomaniac_ | xoz, it can be ;) |
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| 01:02.20 | mythomaniac_ | xoz, but for most of the apps i use... it seems to work fine... |
| 01:03.03 | xoz | mythomaniac_: i perfer twm... much simpler :) |
| 01:03.15 | mythomaniac_ | ;) |
| 01:03.40 | xoz | mythomaniac_: the original classic |
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| 01:05.14 | mythomaniac_ | xoz, hehe that is for sure |
| 01:06.07 | xoz | mythomaniac_: tried wmii wmii2 ion2? |
| 01:06.33 | mythomaniac_ | xoz, no i haven't |
| 01:07.12 | xoz | mythomaniac_: ion2 using lua is a good experiment to try :) |
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| 01:09.39 | mythomaniac | xoz, yeah, using the .xinitrc file to start awesome causes the system try to be disabled :( |
| 01:12.19 | mythomaniac | xoz, hopefully they will get awesome 3.4.3 before testing goes stable :/ |
| 01:13.05 | mythomaniac | dondelelcaro, for real man, thanks again... i had no idea... |
| 01:16.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | so when will squeeze freeze? Seems it hasn't happened yet |
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| 01:22.18 | slaveriq | hello i have a problem with NFS the mount is extremly slow i write with 1.4-2.7 MB/s i think the problem is server based as the client has an other nfs that just works great. any ideas? |
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| 01:23.55 | tarski | anyone have any luck getting an nvidia driver for deb on a thinkpad laptop |
| 01:24.03 | xoz | slaveriq: are you using kernel space nfs? try use space |
| 01:24.23 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 01:24.23 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 01:24.43 | xoz | slaveriq: and make sure portmap and other related services are running |
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| 01:27.09 | slaveriq | xoz: thanks for the fast response yes all services are running i checked that and yes i am using nfs-kernel-server |
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| 01:28.59 | slaveriq | xoz: "use space" mhh? |
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| 01:29.11 | xoz | slaveriq: try nfs-user-server |
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| 01:30.08 | slaveriq | xoz: is that one faster? |
| 01:30.43 | xoz | slaveriq: slower. but if it is faster than your current one, that means there is something wrong with the kernel nfs |
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| 01:31.27 | xoz | slaveriq: why still using NFS? why not samba? |
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| 01:32.30 | slaveriq | xoz: no need for encryption plus nfs is faster the smbfs or cifs would eat to much of my cpu ;) |
| 01:33.23 | slaveriq | xoz: the funny thing is that it worked perfectly it was fast and stable and then from one moment to the other it was just sooo slow |
| 01:34.07 | xoz | slaveriq: tried reboot? |
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| 01:34.13 | omes | ive had really bad experience with nfs in the past, but then again i havent been using it for 4 years, hehe |
| 01:34.38 | xoz | slaveriq: nfs-kernel is quiet difficult to debug and develop. it may have some memory leak problem |
| 01:35.19 | xoz | slaveriq: yep. nfs is udp not tcp |
| 01:35.24 | slaveriq | xoz: i restarted the nfs server but it did not help... no i did not reboot and reboot the server or the client? |
| 01:35.28 | xoz | slaveriq: so much faster |
| 01:35.57 | xoz | slaveriq: try server first... and check with client... then if it is still there, try client reboot |
| 01:36.21 | xoz | slaveriq: im more suspicious of the server |
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| 01:37.34 | slaveriq | xoz: i can't just reboot the server ;) |
| 01:37.45 | xoz | slaveriq: oh.... |
| 01:39.02 | xoz | slaveriq: uptime of the server is how long? |
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| 01:39.49 | slaveriq | xoz: 6 days :D |
| 01:40.35 | xoz | slaveriq: dmesg doesnt spit any useful info? |
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| 01:41.29 | slaveriq | xoz: nope not realy thats what i hate at nfs |
| 01:41.32 | xoz | my experience of nfs in linux is buggier than that in freebsd. if you want a stable nis/nfs server, bsd i think is better |
| 01:41.43 | slaveriq | xoz: i'm starting to think that it is a routing problem |
| 01:42.10 | xoz | slaveriq: udp wont give you enough clue :) |
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| 01:44.18 | slaveriq | xoz: okay over 10 hops.. thats gotta be a routing problem |
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| 01:45.13 | slaveriq | xoz: and thanks for the help |
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| 01:46.51 | _2 | can anyone help me out with finding a way to get the /dev/disk/by-uuid/"UUID" for my usb-stick to appear in an initramfs image. other uuid's (internal disks) are there but the usb-stick, which contains the etch rootfs, is not there... ? |
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| 01:47.30 | little_owl | Is there some Debian's equivalent command to "rpm -V"? dpkg --something ?? |
| 01:47.43 | nsadmin | _2: does it ever show up? |
| 01:47.47 | _2 | rebuilding the initramfs doesn't help, just thought i'd mention |
| 01:48.07 | nsadmin | little_owl: dunno. try dpkg --help? |
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| 01:48.17 | _2 | nsadmin show up ? i can mount the /dev/sdb but the symlink is never there |
| 01:48.49 | nsadmin | _2: not sure about this, but I think the filesystems that support uuids are limited |
| 01:48.56 | nsadmin | what fs is your rootfs? |
| 01:48.59 | ryanCH | how come i can't connect to an smtp server, as in "telnet mail.yahoo.com 25" |
| 01:49.07 | _2 | ext2/3 nsadmin |
| 01:49.10 | ryanCH | it never connects |
| 01:49.22 | nsadmin | _2: hmm. that should be supported. |
| 01:49.36 | _2 | blkid and tune2fs both show it |
| 01:49.38 | nsadmin | ryanCH: can you connect to other smtp servers? |
| 01:50.14 | nsadmin | _2: and other volumes have their uuids there? |
| 01:50.23 | _2 | yes they do nsadmin |
| 01:50.36 | nsadmin | and some are ext2/3? |
| 01:50.43 | _2 | all are |
| 01:50.56 | nsadmin | are any on the usb stick? |
| 01:51.00 | ryanCH | nsadmin, i've tried many others in a list .. but i can't |
| 01:51.04 | _2 | nsadmin no. |
| 01:51.29 | ryanCH | nsadmin, i tried this one, zdnet.com mail is handled by 100 c12-mail.cnet.com. |
| 01:51.31 | _2 | nsadmin let me plug a new usb stick and see |
| 01:51.56 | nsadmin | can you back up the data on the stick? is your rootfs on a partition of the stick? |
| 01:52.27 | _2 | nsadmin no plugging a new usb stick doesnt produce a new /dev/disk/by-uuid/* |
| 01:53.04 | _2 | nsadmin i can backup the data. no partition. full disk |
| 01:53.27 | Tramp | ryanCH: provider blocking 25 outgoing (to prevent spam). |
| 01:53.34 | nsadmin | what role does this volume have in your system? |
| 01:53.51 | _2 | it is the system |
| 01:53.55 | ryanCH | Tramp, is there a way around it? |
| 01:53.57 | _2 | "rootfs" |
| 01:54.26 | _2 | contains boot loader, and / file system |
| 01:54.27 | Tramp | ryanCH: no. You are forced to use the providers mailserver |
| 01:54.43 | nsadmin | _2: and boot loader is grub? |
| 01:54.49 | _2 | yes grub2 |
| 01:54.54 | nsadmin | ok |
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| 01:55.19 | nsadmin | never used grub2... only got as far as building it once |
| 01:55.34 | ryanCH | Tramp, how do i find my providers mailserver? |
| 01:55.34 | _2 | nsadmin it's nice. |
| 01:55.54 | _2 | you'll like it. a lot different from older grub |
| 01:55.57 | nsadmin | I'll have to check it out |
| 01:56.13 | nsadmin | I definitely like old grub tho :) |
| 01:56.39 | nsadmin | but anyway, |
| 01:56.44 | Tramp | ryanCH: in the contract documents, on his website, by calling their hotline .... |
| 01:57.16 | slaveriq | ryanCH: host yourprovider.com ? |
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| 01:57.46 | nsadmin | can you partition that blank (is it blank?) stick so that you have a partition at least large enough to hold the rootfs of the original stick? |
| 01:57.52 | Tramp | yeah, maybe "smtp.yourprovider.com" |
| 01:58.27 | nsadmin | (I know grub2 does handle nonpartition and all, this would be an experiment to see if not being a partition is a problem) |
| 01:58.29 | _2 | nsadmin it's a clone copy of the other stick... where are you headed with this ? |
| 01:58.45 | nsadmin | see above for abstract. |
| 01:58.49 | _2 | ah yes |
| 01:59.35 | nsadmin | would you want to try this? you'd initially have to boot another way unless you can get the boot loader going... btw, does the original stick boot? |
| 01:59.51 | _2 | nsadmin ok. i can answer that without the test. no. the interenal drive has no partition either and it is detected by uuid at boot time.... |
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| 02:00.08 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 02:00.23 | WormFood | anyone have a clue as to why audacious won't play through pulse audio, but everything else works fine through it. When I hit play, it sounds like I get tape hiss (like I was playing a cassette or something), but no sound. This is driving me crazy, sometimes it works, and sometimes it don't work. I can't figure it out. |
| 02:00.25 | Rezagrats | Is there support for SATA controller cards in Debian lenny ? |
| 02:00.34 | nsadmin | sure |
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| 02:00.41 | nsadmin | but which ones |
| 02:00.51 | markybob | !hcl |
| 02:00.52 | dpkg | [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists are at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ (PCI verification only), http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, or ask me about <modinfo pci alias>, <judd-hardware>. |
| 02:01.03 | _2 | nsadmin and yes both sticks boot the same... both boot to a busybox shell and i can mount them by device name then continue the boot process.... |
| 02:01.24 | nsadmin | markybob: heya... had you been following the conversation? I'm pretty much out of ideas |
| 02:01.36 | markybob | nsadmin, nope |
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| 02:02.59 | _2 | waits for markybob to backtrack... |
| 02:03.40 | nsadmin | markybob: he's trying to get his usb stick which has grub2 and root filesystem on "whole drive" of a usb stick to show up in the uuid dir. while other partitions do show up which are the same fs, this one does not. he can boot into grub then it goes to busybox, where he can manually mount / and then continue boot process. |
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| 02:05.04 | nsadmin | _2: after you would boot successfully (after doing the manual incantation in busybox), do the logs show anything of interest? |
| 02:05.23 | _2 | ... ^ and obviously usb sticks need to mount by uuid, because of the nature of usb and multi-computer use |
| 02:05.50 | _2 | nsadmin i'll "recheck" but didn't notice anything of interest. |
| 02:06.06 | nsadmin | I wonder if the volume on the stick had its uuid corrupted or something like that |
| 02:07.03 | nsadmin | maybe there's a delay factor between boot into grub and the drive becoming visible |
| 02:07.24 | _2 | nsadmin i wondered that too so i reset it to something really unique 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000001 |
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| 02:07.43 | nsadmin | first uuid ever! |
| 02:08.06 | _2 | and yes i considered a race condition.. |
| 02:08.21 | nsadmin | it does look like I'm stomping on already covered ground |
| 02:08.28 | WormFood | no nsadmin it is the 2nd uuid ever :P |
| 02:08.38 | nsadmin | oh :) |
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| 02:09.00 | _2 | i may reboot and as soon as the kernel/initramfs loads, unplug and replug the stick 0.0 |
| 02:09.19 | _2 | not sure of the logic in that though...... |
| 02:09.53 | nsadmin | when you installed the kernel, was the rootfs on the stick? or somewhere else? |
| 02:10.04 | xoz | why does it seems that floppy before is easier to booth than usb... technology is running backward :) |
| 02:10.28 | xoz | s/booth/boot |
| 02:10.34 | _2 | ummmm internal scsi disk with no partition nsadmin |
| 02:10.49 | MrTorque | where are the informations stored i can display with pdbedit -Lv USER? |
| 02:10.52 | nsadmin | floppy has a long history of booting... my first linux system used a boot floppy over about 2 years |
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| 02:11.02 | MrTorque | i want to delete the file with this data. |
| 02:11.17 | _2 | xoz good question..... maybe because the gui got in the way between the development of the one and the developement of the other.... |
| 02:11.46 | nsadmin | _2: so it wasn't actually on the stick yet? |
| 02:12.11 | xoz | it's easier to boot in network than usb :) |
| 02:12.17 | nsadmin | a little background is in order here... |
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| 02:12.57 | _2 | nsadmin the kernel was installed on an internal then copied to the stick. correct. but the initramfs has been rebuilt from the running stick... |
| 02:13.06 | nsadmin | when you install a kernel from a deb package that is initrd-enabled, it looks at how / is mounted |
| 02:13.24 | nsadmin | and builds an initrd accordingly |
| 02:13.36 | xoz | _2: oh. your kernel is living in a different place it assumes |
| 02:13.39 | nsadmin | so another experiment you could try... |
| 02:13.55 | _2 | reinstall the kernel. |
| 02:13.58 | _2 | ? |
| 02:14.16 | xoz | _2: is suggest compile the kernel with static modules. |
| 02:14.16 | nsadmin | is, boot into linux from the stick and reinstall from the kernel .deb (it's not a custom build is it?) |
| 02:14.30 | WormFood | does anyone know how to get audacious2 and pulseaudio to play nice together? this shit simply won't work for me no matter what I do (sometimes it works, but most of the time it seems to not work) |
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| 02:14.55 | _2 | nsadmin running from the stick at all points after the initial migration... |
| 02:15.01 | xoz | _2: and make sure the modules to recognize your usb and the fs you are using are compile static |
| 02:15.45 | _2 | xoz but that looks like you are assuming that the modules are an issue. they are not. i can manually mount the stick without error |
| 02:15.54 | xoz | i don't think initramfs will work without having a static module of your usb driver compiled into the kernel. |
| 02:16.00 | _2 | just not by uuid |
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| 02:16.22 | xoz | _2: ok. i did not read all the prevs conversation |
| 02:16.39 | nsadmin | xoz: remember that the initrd loads independently of the kernel |
| 02:16.46 | _2 | it's only the /dev/disk/by-uuid/ that is missing |
| 02:17.06 | nsadmin | hmm. devfs? |
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| 02:17.27 | nsadmin | that dir is missing and/or nothing is in it? |
| 02:17.46 | nsadmin | you said otherwise before, I thought... just making sure |
| 02:18.07 | _2 | nsadmin the uuid symlinks are in it for the internal disk but not the usb stick |
| 02:18.20 | nsadmin | so it's working for some but not others |
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| 02:18.28 | _2 | correct |
| 02:18.41 | nsadmin | which is what I thought I understood in the beginning |
| 02:18.53 | xoz | _2: without proper debug output, it is a guessing game |
| 02:19.02 | _2 | looks like a race condition to me. like the symlinks are made just before the usb device is recognized |
| 02:19.03 | nsadmin | agreed |
| 02:19.40 | _2 | but i'm no specialest in this field. |
| 02:19.47 | nsadmin | so you could introduce a delay somewhere |
| 02:19.49 | _2 | or at spelling |
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| 02:19.55 | xoz | otherwise you'll not ask this :) |
| 02:19.58 | nsadmin | tori? |
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| 02:20.20 | WormFood | does audacious and pulseaudio work for anyone in sid? |
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| 02:23.55 | ddalton | hi, im trying to configure wireless, under kernel 2.6.30-2 i just reinstalled linux, and i have my old wpa_supplicant configuration which should work fine. what do I have to add to the interfaces file? |
| 02:24.15 | ddalton | and do I need kerneel modules for the atheroes cards under 2.6.30? |
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| 02:26.38 | nsadmin | ok, I'm etching to upgrade |
| 02:27.09 | nsadmin | wheres the release notes? |
| 02:27.36 | ddalton | ah ill just read thee docs |
| 02:27.51 | nsadmin | wheres the release notes? |
| 02:28.18 | nsadmin | oops, seems I repeted |
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| 02:28.46 | nsadmin | !etch -> lenny |
| 02:28.53 | nsadmin | !etch->lenny |
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| 02:30.43 | _2 | ooops update-initramfs: Cannot update. Override with -t option. |
| 02:31.17 | _2 | seems that something is borkne |
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| 02:32.42 | _KaszpiR_ | borkne, the new mix of broken and borked |
| 02:32.42 | _2 | cpio: ./sbin/udevtrigger: Cannot stat: No such file or directory |
| 02:33.13 | _2 | anyone have /sbin/udevtrigger on etch ? |
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| 02:39.01 | nsadmin | _2 looks like you're closeing in |
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| 02:43.06 | sandman | Are there any hardware raid solutions that allow you to use completely different drives? |
| 02:43.26 | centHOGG | sata & ide? |
| 02:43.27 | sandman | Or is that only really do-able with software raid? |
| 02:43.36 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 02:43.40 | centHOGG | n |
| 02:43.44 | sandman | gn |
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| 02:44.44 | nsadmin | sandman depends on the raid controller |
| 02:44.58 | sandman | So there are hardware raid solutions with which you can use different sized drives? |
| 02:45.08 | sandman | Completely different drives, even? |
| 02:45.16 | nsadmin | look at 3ware.com |
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| 02:45.54 | benschwarz | hey folks |
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| 02:46.13 | benschwarz | how can I discover which package supplies "dns_sd.h" ? |
| 02:46.13 | nsadmin | just remember that random access will be slow with raid5 (like for db suuff) |
| 02:46.31 | nsadmin | use apt-file |
| 02:46.44 | sandman | nsadmin What about RAID1? |
| 02:46.59 | OnAir | i have installed debian with gnome (graphic) .. i'm logged in via putty (SSH) does sombody know the command to see graphics on remote? |
| 02:47.01 | benschwarz | nsadmin: was that directed at me? |
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| 02:48.20 | doubleclick | benschwarz: yes and you can also search here -- http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents |
| 02:49.01 | Cunbuntu | Tired of Negroes and their monkeyshines? Join us on Chimpout Forum! At Chimpout Forum we are NOT WHITE SUPREMACISTS. Chimpout Forum welcomes the rainbow diversity of the human race with open arms, including Asians, non-negroid Hispanics, Semites, Jews, Whites, Indians, Native Americans, Turks, Polynesians, Saami, etc. Basically we welcome anybody who isn't a fecal-colored niggroid AFRICOON! Join us in the epic battle of HUMANS |
| 02:49.01 | Cunbuntu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:49.18 | Cunbuntu | hi bazhang |
| 02:49.51 | sandman | I can't believe what I just witnessed. |
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| 02:50.11 | nsadmin | !ops Cunbuntu |
| 02:50.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: Cunbuntu |
| 02:50.32 | OnAir | sombody knows how to login (remote) in debian (with graphic interface) |
| 02:50.54 | nsadmin | OnAir what is local? |
| 02:51.23 | centHOGG | OnAir: I've used NX NoMachine before for remotes |
| 02:51.37 | OnAir | local is with gnome (with graphic interface) |
| 02:51.41 | Cunbuntu | Do many negroes use Linux? |
| 02:51.49 | Cunbuntu | I have never seen a negroid linux user in my life! |
| 02:51.52 | Cunbuntu | Why is that? |
| 02:52.04 | Cunbuntu | I guess maybe it is because the average negro IQ is 80 |
| 02:52.11 | Cunbuntu | While the average human is 100 |
| 02:52.13 | OnAir | now i login with putty (ssh) black screen with text... getting bored... like to have the graphic interface |
| 02:52.18 | Cunbuntu | 80 is borderline retarded |
| 02:52.33 | OnAir | centHOGG: tnx, i'll test that |
| 02:52.50 | centHOGG | yeah its ok, thought about re-using it for Handbrake CLI |
| 02:52.51 | gpkvt | OnAir |
| 02:53.02 | OnAir | yes gpkvt ? |
| 02:53.08 | gpkvt | OnAir: VNC might be an alternative, too |
| 02:53.36 | tensorpudding | VNC doesn't like desktop-effects or slow connections though |
| 02:54.10 | OnAir | gpkvt: already downloading test version ;) |
| 02:54.18 | gpkvt | but it's very easy to set up |
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| 02:54.57 | _2 | cunbuntu must work for FBI |
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| 02:55.32 | OnAir | it works fine ! |
| 02:55.33 | OnAir | thanks |
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| 02:56.07 | OnAir | it works asome :) |
| 02:56.13 | OnAir | awsome :) |
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| 02:56.22 | OnAir | thanks gpkvt :) |
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| 03:14.07 | nsadmin | ok... I'm at lastest etch now |
| 03:14.16 | nsadmin | hmm. should I lennyize? |
| 03:14.36 | _2 | imo. no |
| 03:14.43 | nsadmin | can I easily run pg-7.4 under lenny? |
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| 03:14.57 | _2 | "if it aint broke, don't fix it!" |
| 03:15.06 | _2 | but most would say "go for it." |
| 03:15.59 | nsadmin | I'm mostly sitting at home, so at least I'd have time to maintain it |
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| 03:27.41 | _2 | nsadmin i think i found my problem.... installation is etch. sources.list lists all lenny sources... o.O |
| 03:27.55 | _2 | looks like i should probably upgrade to unravel this mess. |
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| 03:41.57 | nsadmin | _2: certainly you've found -a- problem... not sure if it's related... however new packages could resolve this |
| 03:42.09 | nsadmin | make sure you read lenny release notes before proceeding |
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| 03:46.08 | nsadmin | is it basically normal to not have an /etc/apt/preferences? |
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| 03:53.58 | jmarsden | nsadmin: Yes, you only need one if you are doing "clever" things such as pinning stuff |
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| 04:19.57 | WormFood | does audacious and pulseaudio work for anyone in sid? |
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| 04:31.51 | WormFood | this is wacky...it plays and seems to work ok, if I select OSS, but simply won't work if I select the PulseAudio plugin |
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| 04:41.41 | brimstone | why does linux-image-2.6.32 have "trunk" in the version number now? |
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| 04:44.24 | joe-mac1 | so say i have removed a ton of packages but they are not purged, is there an easy way to go through and fully purge packages that are not currently installed. by purge i am talking about dpkg's purge operation that removes even config files associates with packages. |
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| 04:45.01 | GuilhermeCunha | apt-get autoclean |
| 04:45.39 | joe-mac1 | GuilhermeCunha: thanks man |
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| 04:55.04 | CyrusYzGTt | which debian is support gnome 2.28 ,tor ,vidalia ,NetworkManager 0.7.966,above kernel 2.6.32.2 |
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| 04:56.59 | phorce1 | so, how would I get my nVidia video card to default to using its DVI output for at boot time when it has monitors connected to both the DVI and VGA ports? I'm running Lenny and messing with dual monitor setup now that I have both monitors on my desk at the same time. |
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| 04:59.35 | phorce1 | GuilhermeCunha: you do realize you gave joe-mac1 the wrong answer? and now he's gone. |
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| 05:01.08 | GuilhermeCunha | phorce1, you could have answered then, now it's |
| 05:01.58 | phorce1 | GuilhermeCunha: I didn't look in here until I asked my question 10 minutes after |
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| 05:02.50 | GuilhermeCunha | sorry |
| 05:05.19 | phorce1 | GuilhermeCunha: and, poking around, I don't see a way to do what he asked. (BTW, autoclean just deletes obsolete downloaded packages from the apt cache folder) |
| 05:06.15 | GuilhermeCunha | then ... is packages downloaded more not installed |
| 05:06.18 | GuilhermeCunha | obsolets |
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| 05:08.12 | phorce1 | actually, packages that can't be downloaded from the repository any more --- it leaves packages that are still current so they can be reinstalled if needed without re-downloading |
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| 05:11.47 | GuilhermeCunha | not understand |
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| 05:16.45 | GuilhermeCunha | hmmm |
| 05:16.54 | se7en | i can't find a testing.iso on the debain page ??? |
| 05:17.28 | GuilhermeCunha | http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 05:18.22 | phorce1 | example --- you apt-get install PROGRAM-1.0.0 --- later you apt-get upgrade and it installs PROGRAM-1.0.1 <---- apt keeps evry version in /var/cache/apt/archives/ PROGRAM-1.0.0/deb and also PROGRAM-1.0.1.deb |
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| 05:18.29 | se7en | GuilhermeCunha: i have been there and http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 05:18.35 | se7en | is empty |
| 05:18.52 | se7en | where would i get a kde version |
| 05:18.55 | GuilhermeCunha | yes |
| 05:19.19 | phorce1 | GuilhermeCunha: if you run apt-get autoclean it will remove /var/cache/apt/archives/PROGRAM-1.0.0.deb and keep /var/cache/apt/archives/PROGRAM-1.0.1.deb |
| 05:19.40 | GuilhermeCunha | hmmm |
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| 05:20.30 | GuilhermeCunha | phorce1, did not know this detail |
| 05:20.52 | phorce1 | if you run 'apt-get clean' it will delete all (empty /var/cache/apt/archives/) |
| 05:21.44 | GuilhermeCunha | hmmm |
| 05:22.47 | phorce1 | good way to get back some disk space if you don't usually remove/reinstall the same packeges over and over. |
| 05:23.18 | phorce1 | du -sh /var/cache/apt/archives/ ---> 114M/var/cache/apt/archives/ |
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| 05:23.57 | phorce1 | aptitude autoclean ---> Freed 7375kB of disk space |
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| 05:24.32 | phorce1 | 107M /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 05:25.23 | GuilhermeCunha | 3,3GB Here in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 05:26.53 | Pnux | hey guys, i just did this: pnux@debian:~$ sudo mv -t /mnt/Documents\ and\ Settings/pnoexz/Escritorio/COS Desktop/ i was trying to move the content of COS to my desktop but i didnt realize that -t switches the source/dest params order. ls /mnt/D~~/COS/ shows the files i wanted to move. Are my files forever gone? |
| 05:27.56 | phorce1 | GuilhermeCunha: run aptitude autoclean and see how much it wipes out (it will only wipe out old packages that are no good) |
| 05:28.19 | GuilhermeCunha | i have a server with apt-cacher |
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| 05:29.13 | GuilhermeCunha | and this have more that 20gb of archives |
| 05:29.14 | GuilhermeCunha | hehehe |
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| 05:30.55 | phorce1 | GuilhermeCunha: autoclean will only remove packages that are no longer available from the deb mirrors. I don't recall if the apt caching programs automatically clean old versions. |
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| 05:34.28 | JyZyXEL | how do i copy files to /dev/null? |
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| 05:34.47 | Tramp | Pnux: with the command you showed, I'd expect your Desktop-directory to now be in ..../COS |
| 05:34.59 | GuilhermeCunha | phorce1, ok |
| 05:35.04 | GuilhermeCunha | thanks for informattion |
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| 05:56.31 | JyZyXEL | is "sudo md5sum /dev/sda1" a good stress test for a hard disk? |
| 05:56.53 | JyZyXEL | or is "sudo cat /dev/sda1 > /dev/null" better |
| 05:58.38 | phorce1 | JyZyXEL: have you looked at bonnie++ ? It's a benchmarker but looks like it beats the snot out of the drives |
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| 06:02.01 | JyZyXEL | i couldn't figure out how it works |
| 06:03.22 | phorce1 | JyZyXEL: http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/139742 |
| 06:03.42 | JyZyXEL | it doesn't work like that |
| 06:03.51 | streuner_ | !listvals prime95 |
| 06:03.52 | JyZyXEL | just prints the -help and exits |
| 06:03.53 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'prime95' by value returned no results. |
| 06:04.13 | JyZyXEL | sudo bonnie++ -u -d /media/usb/bonnie |
| 06:04.15 | JyZyXEL | usage: |
| 06:04.17 | JyZyXEL | bonnie++ [-d scratch-dir] [-c concurrency] [-s size(MiB)[:chunk-size(b)]] |
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| 06:04.32 | JyZyXEL | damn thing just prints the usage whatever you do |
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| 06:07.53 | ham5 | why do I have multiple udevd's running?? |
| 06:07.57 | ham5 | where do I start looking |
| 06:09.38 | nsadmin | is there a way to tell kde to not log me out for going to my text console |
| 06:11.21 | phorce1 | JyZyXEL: where do you see a "-u" on that tutorial page? |
| 06:12.01 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL where do you see a -u in the usage msg |
| 06:12.59 | JyZyXEL | You must use the "-u" switch when running as root. |
| 06:12.59 | nsadmin | and you see this where? |
| 06:13.00 | phorce1 | JyZyXEL: have you even looked at the man page? -u requires a parameter |
| 06:14.37 | JyZyXEL | well fuck me, i didn't even think about that |
| 06:15.01 | JyZyXEL | it should say "-u root" |
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| 06:15.15 | phorce1 | now you sound like a troll |
| 06:15.34 | phorce1 | because that is not even close to what the man page says |
| 06:16.11 | JyZyXEL | thats what the usage says |
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| 06:18.32 | phorce1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:19.03 | JyZyXEL | and forgot something important |
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| 06:25.58 | WormFood | does audacious and pulseaudio work for anyone in sid? |
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| 06:28.49 | nsadmin | JyZyXEL the usage msg that you yourself posted has no mention of -u |
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| 06:30.13 | phorce1 | hmmm, my X is on tty8 instead of tty7. Wonder what I screwed up while messing with dual monitors? |
| 06:31.16 | JyZyXEL | nsadmin: it only comes when you call bonnie as a root and without -u |
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| 06:32.35 | SerajewelKS | if i wanted a script that would be run after every login, whether via shell or, say, gdm... but only for a specific user, what file would that be? |
| 06:32.45 | SerajewelKS | i have tried ~/.bashrc ... it catches console logins but not gdm ones |
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| 06:34.40 | nsadmin | SerajewelKS for each type of login your system allows you'd have to find a hook within that particular login system and run the script from that hook |
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| 06:35.53 | nsadmin | or alternatively you could try to find a hook that is in common with all login systems your machine/installation supports |
| 06:35.56 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: it seems obnoxious that pretty much the only one that is common is /etc/profile |
| 06:35.59 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: it seems obnoxious that pretty much the only one that is common is /etc/profile |
| 06:36.02 | SerajewelKS | oops |
| 06:36.15 | nsadmin | doubly so! |
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| 06:36.25 | SerajewelKS | yeah i'm just THAT annoyed! |
| 06:36.44 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: i'm not against finding one specific to gdm... but finding it seems to be the problem |
| 06:36.45 | kleanchap | Is there any other Linux tool that can be used to find Malware on a Windows box? |
| 06:36.57 | SerajewelKS | kleanchap: find -iname \*.exe |
| 06:37.18 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.19 | SerajewelKS | kleanchap: for something more specific, try find -iname ntoskrnl.exe |
| 06:37.28 | SerajewelKS | kleanchap: </snark> |
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| 06:38.05 | nsadmin | so... /etc/profile may or may not be in common |
| 06:38.41 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 06:38.46 | SerajewelKS | perhaps it was /etc/bash.bashrc i read |
| 06:39.11 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: no DE? |
| 06:39.24 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: gnome |
| 06:39.44 | cahoot | System -> Preferences -> Sessions -> Startup Programs -> Add perhaps? |
| 06:39.45 | nsadmin | does kdm (or whateverdm) itself read that file? |
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| 06:40.05 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: i am trying to modify PATH for the entire process tree |
| 06:40.13 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: something tells me that will not work |
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| 06:40.53 | nsadmin | you want to alter the path var for all running processes? |
| 06:40.55 | eulalia | can anyone help me decipher / fix this: http://debian.pastebin.com/m508a60fe ? |
| 06:41.29 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: no, i want to alter the PATH variable for all processes spawned by gdm/gnome/etc |
| 06:41.48 | nsadmin | eulalia if you've done anything so far on that, please mention it specifically |
| 06:42.04 | nsadmin | so far I'm not motivated to read the paste |
| 06:43.03 | phorce1 | can't you set a path in .xinitrc? |
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| 06:43.50 | nsadmin | alter? or set? |
| 06:43.51 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: problem is that if .xinitrc and .bashrc are run, the variables i'm modifying (like PATH) are going to be doubly-edited |
| 06:43.52 | eulalia | nsadmin: i've followed all of the instructions here: http://wiki.debian.org/acx and my wireless card is detecting networks. It can't connect to the networks though; i enter my passphrase, and it tries to connect for a minute or so, then asks for my password again, and repeats a few times until falling back on my ethernet connnection |
| 06:44.05 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: so if i run gnome-terminal inside X, the variables will be messy |
| 06:44.20 | phorce1 | Use .xinitrc to source .bashrc --- it's just another bash script |
| 06:44.32 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: then bash will source it again, will it not? |
| 06:44.43 | SerajewelKS | i guess i could put some logic in to detect if i've munged the vars already |
| 06:44.57 | phorce1 | Yeah, you'll have to get creative |
| 06:44.59 | nsadmin | it will source it FOTR THAT PROCESS |
| 06:45.05 | nsadmin | for that is |
| 06:45.25 | eulalia | nsadmin: that pastebin was the output of dmesg, btw |
| 06:45.29 | SerajewelKS | nsadmin: as long as it's the root of the process tree, the children should inherit exported variables |
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| 06:47.05 | SerajewelKS | hmm... i wonder how to do "starts with" string comparison in bash :X |
| 06:47.47 | phorce1 | SerajewelKS: I'd do a quick test first |
| 06:47.50 | SerajewelKS | looks like [[ ]] will do what i want |
| 06:48.10 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: oh of course, i sort of "unit test" my code as i write it (not really, but i check if each line behaves the way i want) |
| 06:48.32 | xylox | anybody knows what happened to testng images -> http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 06:48.32 | phorce1 | SerajewelKS: create a .xinitrc that does nothing but source .bashrc ---- log out of X. Log back in. Open an xterm and check the path |
| 06:49.33 | phorce1 | quickest way to see if there's a double entry of exported variables |
| 06:49.52 | phorce1 | you may be writing test code that you don't need |
| 06:50.23 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: true |
| 06:50.34 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: just wrote the test though, i'll make sure that works and then see what happens without |
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| 06:52.58 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: hmm, either i'm crazy or gdm is not running .xinitrc |
| 06:53.06 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: it doesn't need +x does it? |
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| 06:54.47 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: i tried touching a file in /tmp from it and it doesn't exist after logging on |
| 06:56.36 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: according to the gdm docs i'm looking at, you actually have to twist gdm's arm to get it to run anything in the user's directory during login |
| 06:57.57 | SerajewelKS | hmm, ~/.profile looks promising |
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| 06:59.58 | SerajewelKS | yup, .profile works |
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| 07:01.23 | SerajewelKS | at least for apps that don't hardcode paths... silly debian packages |
| 07:02.09 | phorce1 | and .profile sources .bashrc (but only if the test inside says you are running bash, so I guess not for an X login) |
| 07:02.13 | SerajewelKS | glares at gnome-do |
| 07:02.29 | SerajewelKS | phorce1: right. i just moved my var-munging code right into .profile |
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| 07:03.29 | macrobat | im doing: aptitude install liblua5.1-sec1&M to mark that pkg as automatically installed, but aptitude wont install the subsequent pkgs and it's stuck in the unpacking phase |
| 07:04.09 | macrobat | first time i've used &M |
| 07:04.48 | SerajewelKS | yay |
| 07:04.57 | nsadmin | damn, the aptitude safe-upgrade step was a gig of download, took hours |
| 07:05.06 | SerajewelKS | got all my debian-installed mono packages running on my 2.6 source install in my $HOME \o/ |
| 07:05.24 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: try to install it without &M and use markauto later |
| 07:05.28 | sdi | hi debian folks,I use wget http://www.some.net/subnet/attachment.php?aid=262007.But only to download HTML document text. fail to get that attachment. |
| 07:05.35 | sdi | what can I do? |
| 07:05.37 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: ah, i see the problem. you are not escaping & |
| 07:05.47 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: try: aptitude install liblua5.1-sec1\&M |
| 07:06.03 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: & is special to bash. it's probably waiting for you to hit enter, but you can't because the & told bash to background it |
| 07:06.14 | macrobat | ty, didnt see that in the manual :D |
| 07:06.25 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: because it's a shell thing, not an aptitude thing |
| 07:06.54 | macrobat | yes, i assumed it would work sisnce there was no space before "&" |
| 07:08.17 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: yeah, bash tries to be clever and sneaky when you don't want it to be |
| 07:08.39 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: i make that mistake all the damn time trying to use wget on URLs with GET-formatted query strings |
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| 07:10.24 | macrobat | i will kill this backgrounded aptitude process before i can aptitude again :) |
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| 07:11.46 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: nah, you don't have to |
| 07:11.55 | SerajewelKS | macrobat: on the same terminal, hit enter and you should see a prompt |
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| 07:12.13 | SerajewelKS | type "fg" and hit enter and bash will re-attach your terminal to aptitude. then try hitting enter and see what happens. |
| 07:13.07 | macrobat | ah, ok. i had a lock on the cache file and i killed it. nice to know for next time |
| 07:13.44 | SerajewelKS | :) |
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| 07:26.54 | Arafangion | How do I install Debian from a Live USB Image? |
| 07:27.00 | Arafangion | (Live USB Image is already running) |
| 07:28.37 | GuilhermeCunha | Arafangion, live-helper |
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| 07:30.58 | Arafangion | GuilhermeCunha: I was hoping for a more direct answer, but that does look like a potentially superior approach. |
| 07:31.21 | Arafangion | GuilhermeCunha: That is, scrap the live image, and build a new one specifically for the task? |
| 07:32.36 | barnum | night |
| 07:32.44 | barnum | misfire! |
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| 07:36.52 | GuilhermeCunha | Arafangion, |
| 07:37.09 | GuilhermeCunha | mounts a basic system with debootstrap that you can add the packages he deems necessary, it creates a bootable USB stick so you start the computer with the USB. |
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| 07:38.06 | GuilhermeCunha | translation of google please ignore errors in text |
| 07:38.07 | GuilhermeCunha | :P |
| 07:38.48 | Arafangion | GuilhermeCunha: I gathered that from the website, I was hoping that there was something simple I could just download in a live system, and execute it - it'd then install it into a chosen partition, ultimately using debootstrap - but I guess I'm not going to have a nice easy setup if I'm doing it in a strange way. :) |
| 07:39.23 | Arafangion | GuilhermeCunha: What's your native language? I didn't realise that was google's translator, although the grammar was a little odd. :) |
| 07:39.59 | GuilhermeCunha | portuguese of brazilian |
| 07:40.13 | Guerin | fuck, google translator has gotten a bit better than it once was |
| 07:40.14 | GuilhermeCunha | pt_BR |
| 07:40.18 | Guerin | that shit is intelligible |
| 07:40.28 | GuilhermeCunha | you understand the text? |
| 07:40.42 | Guerin | GuilhermeCunha: yes, it's very easy to understand |
| 07:40.49 | Arafangion | Easily, it's really impressive now. |
| 07:41.17 | Guerin | sees an outsourcing business model opening up |
| 07:41.34 | Arafangion | now wants a translator for his preferred language. :( |
| 07:42.35 | GuilhermeCunha | wait |
| 07:42.36 | GuilhermeCunha | please |
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| 07:44.07 | GuilhermeCunha | please Arafangion http://live.debian.net/manual/html/ch03s03.html |
| 07:44.10 | GuilhermeCunha | read this |
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| 07:45.08 | Arafangion | GuilhermeCunha: I've already got that, but thanks. The Live image is fine, I just wanted to use it to install Debian to the actual HDD. |
| 07:45.37 | GuilhermeCunha | hmmmm |
| 07:45.48 | Helpuser | hi |
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| 07:46.05 | Arafangion | GuilhermeCunha: I may well have to use your original suggestion to make an image that specifically runs the installer - or get an external CD drive somewhere. |
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| 07:46.56 | GuilhermeCunha | Arafangion, you don't have drive of cdrom ? |
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| 07:47.46 | aiyu | hii all, i was looking for a font installation tut and found this http://www.wikihow.com/Install-True-Type-Fonts-on-Ubuntu. but its lot of process. I s there any better faster way to install font. |
| 07:48.40 | Arafangion | GuilhermeCunha: No. |
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| 07:49.08 | GuilhermeCunha | Arafangion, install via network |
| 07:49.17 | Arafangion | GuilhermeCunha: How. :) |
| 07:49.22 | GuilhermeCunha | wait |
| 07:49.44 | Arafangion | GuilhermeCunha: You have to start the computer somehow... |
| 07:49.53 | Arafangion | Which means a live USB image of some sort. |
| 07:50.00 | GuilhermeCunha | Arafangion, http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst#netboot |
| 07:50.42 | Arafangion | Netboot isn't really an option for me. |
| 07:52.46 | newsense | pile of floppies? |
| 07:52.53 | Arafangion | newsense: Hahahaha! |
| 07:53.10 | newsense | those were the days |
| 07:53.10 | GuilhermeCunha | Arafangion, use the option usb-hdd |
| 07:53.11 | GuilhermeCunha | :) |
| 07:53.38 | GuilhermeCunha | search for usb-hdd install |
| 07:53.46 | GuilhermeCunha | debian usb-hdd install |
| 07:53.47 | GuilhermeCunha | :) |
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| 07:56.01 | Arafangion | I shall use those instructions, but it does surprise me why they're so complicated. Requiring a multistage boot, etc, why doesn't debian just provide an .iso image (instead of providing three files, using syslinux, and strange configuration) |
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| 07:57.11 | Arafangion | Getting the live system going is as easy as 'dd'. |
| 07:57.17 | Arafangion | (With various arguments, naturally) |
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| 08:09.46 | SparFux | Hi all. |
| 08:10.11 | GuilhermeCunha | hi |
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| 08:11.14 | SparFux | I am improving my /etc/network/internet setup. My firewall can be installed by this file. Is that ok for pppoe connections, too? I am starting firewall for pppoe in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d so far.. |
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| 08:16.32 | SparFux | brb sry! |
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| 08:19.51 | SparFux | re |
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| 08:24.24 | SparFux | hi cybertinus |
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| 08:30.26 | _stack | hi, I have a package that is not well installed and I can't remove http://pastebin.com/m1e233e4b how should I do in order to remove this one? |
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| 08:31.37 | SparFux | _stack: I'd try "touch /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages/libxml2dom" and then purge again. |
| 08:32.16 | likevinyl | is away: Si me pedÃs que vuelva otra vez donde nacÃ, yo pido que tu empresa se vaya de mi paÃs, Y asà será de igual a igual! |
| 08:32.32 | _stack | SparFux: i created the directory and it worked , thanks |
| 08:32.41 | SparFux | np. |
| 08:32.47 | likevinyl | is back (gone 00:00:02) |
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| 08:35.42 | nsadmin | likevinyl: really? public away messages? |
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| 08:36.00 | SparFux | hi mado. |
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| 08:36.20 | likevinyl | nsadmin, sorry nsadmin , im from Argentina... its a normal use |
| 08:36.24 | likevinyl | ;) |
| 08:36.29 | SparFux | So, is it ok to move the configuration from /etc/ppp/ip-up.d to /etc/network/if-up.de ? |
| 08:36.52 | nsadmin | likevinyl: your choice |
| 08:37.02 | likevinyl | <-34 years old, i understand standards but... |
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| 08:37.13 | likevinyl | nsadmin, sorry :) |
| 08:37.33 | likevinyl | i left if u wish |
| 08:37.37 | likevinyl | sorry again |
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| 08:37.48 | nsadmin | no need to be... I'm just saying, you're gonna get some grief if you keep it like that... |
| 08:38.44 | nsadmin | is newly freshly lenny |
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| 08:44.53 | nsadmin | now I need an nvidia display driver for: |
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| 08:46.04 | SparFux | nsadmin: I'd suggest nouveau. |
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| 08:48.25 | nsadmin | what's that? :) |
| 08:48.39 | nsadmin | and how do I search for stuff in aptitude? |
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| 08:48.52 | SparFux | nouveau.freedesktop.org |
| 08:48.59 | SparFux | it's an nvidia display driver. |
| 08:49.08 | nsadmin | it is? hmm, interesting |
| 08:49.12 | DipSwitch | nsadmin: aptitude search applications |
| 08:49.27 | DipSwitch | nsadmin: or: apt-cache search application |
| 08:49.31 | SparFux | nsadmin: it's gpl driver and 3D is being developed. |
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| 08:56.20 | itsosimpo | hello |
| 08:56.33 | itsosimpo | how do i patch my machine from viruses |
| 08:57.11 | nsadmin | it's harder to get viruses under linux as long as you pay attention when you're logged in as root |
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| 08:57.25 | itsosimpo | oh |
| 08:57.26 | itsosimpo | cool |
| 08:57.40 | itsosimpo | i don't really log in as root much |
| 08:57.43 | DipSwitch | itsosimpo: you can take a look at: ClamAV, chkrootkit, rkhunter |
| 08:57.53 | nsadmin | one way to pay attention while logged in as root: don't log in as root :) |
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| 08:59.26 | nsadmin | the other way is, know your shell like the neighborhood you grew up in, pay close attention to spaces and special characters, and count to 10 before hitting enter on anything extreme |
| 08:59.35 | DipSwitch | itsosimpo: Lynis is quite good also |
| 08:59.45 | itsosimpo | trying to dl ClamAV: Some of the packages could not be retrieved from the server(s). |
| 08:59.45 | itsosimpo | Do you want to continue, ignoring these packages? |
| 08:59.59 | cast | wonders what the question was |
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| 09:00.18 | nsadmin | cast: your question is: "what's the question?" |
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| 09:00.56 | DipSwitch | itsosimpo: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 09:01.49 | cast | no, i don't have a question :) |
| 09:01.59 | DipSwitch | case: <itsosimpo> how do i patch my machine from viruses |
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| 09:02.19 | cast | oh, that's easy |
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| 09:05.16 | nsadmin | anyway, so I have this: "VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51PV [GeForce 6150] [10de:0240] (rev a2)" |
| 09:05.17 | itsosimpo | hm |
| 09:05.25 | itsosimpo | um i can't find any security progs |
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| 09:05.49 | nsadmin | judd pciid 10de:0240\ |
| 09:05.51 | judd | nsadmin: [10de:0240] is 'C51PV [GeForce 6150]' from 'nVidia Corporation' with kernel module 'nvidiafb' in lenny. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=10de:0240 |
| 09:05.59 | cast | itsosimpo: debian isn't windows, i wouldn't worry about it. just don't do retarded things |
| 09:06.17 | nsadmin | hmm. not sure I want nvidiafb |
| 09:06.31 | MooseMorals | I've been away from debian for a while, is iptables still the main firewall? |
| 09:06.56 | cast | MooseMorals: yes, if you use linux |
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| 09:07.09 | MooseMorals | ok, thanks cast |
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| 09:11.28 | nsadmin | MooseMorals not sure if this is applicable to your situation... but you might look into ipmasq (which uses iptables to build a firewall automatically according to interface settings; you'd use it for a masqing gw) |
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| 09:12.09 | MooseMorals | nsadmin, thanks, I've found the "easy firewall generator" script which seems to build a fairly simple ruleset |
| 09:13.03 | nsadmin | what does it read? |
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| 09:13.53 | MooseMorals | Its a php script that runs on a website, you tell it a few details about your system and it builds a static script for you |
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| 09:14.54 | cast | sounds crap |
| 09:15.15 | cast | would just use shorewall |
| 09:15.29 | cast | the ipmasq package is awesomely easy to use though |
| 09:15.51 | nsadmin | oh I see... ipmasq generates a firewall, but it reads something different... what it reads is your current interface settings... so, you set up your outgoing interface (I usually use eth0) so it gets ip from provider (or static if that' |
| 09:15.56 | nsadmin | s what you have) |
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| 09:16.06 | MooseMorals | I'm not running a gateway btw, so I don't need that complex a setup |
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| 09:16.38 | Kaatje | hi |
| 09:16.53 | Kaatje | looking for anyone who understands layer 2 |
| 09:17.00 | nsadmin | !nvidia oneliner |
| 09:17.01 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, asking me about <nvidia pre-built> or <nvidia m-a> might work. Testing users: ask me about <nvidia squeeze>. Installing directly from nvidia.com (i.e. with <nvidia-installer>) is _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
| 09:17.19 | nsadmin | !nvidia pre-built |
| 09:17.19 | dpkg | aptitude install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). |
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| 09:19.16 | Kaatje | anyone here understand layer 2 ? |
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| 09:19.39 | MooseMorals | Kaatje: do you mean layer 2 networking? (like, cables and stuff)? |
| 09:19.43 | Kaatje | yes |
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| 09:19.56 | MooseMorals | a little then, what do you need? |
| 09:20.05 | Kaatje | i need to build a layer 2 vpn bridge |
| 09:20.06 | Kaatje | http://yfrog.com/0uscreenshot20091219at115p |
| 09:20.17 | Kaatje | s the basic layout |
| 09:20.31 | p3rror | hello i'm installing leny amd on a hp dl180 g5, i setup the raid hardware |
| 09:20.32 | MooseMorals | Sorry then, way beyond me |
| 09:20.40 | p3rror | but the installer still unable to detect it |
| 09:20.48 | p3rror | please can you help me with this |
| 09:20.56 | Kaatje | hmm |
| 09:21.29 | Kaatje | it is just a simple bridge |
| 09:23.59 | nsadmin | got it!! |
| 09:24.16 | nsadmin | didn't even have to build a package this time |
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| 09:28.15 | cast | p3rror: software raid has a few benefits over HW :) |
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| 09:30.09 | p3rror | cast, can you explain |
| 09:30.16 | p3rror | what kind of benefits ? |
| 09:31.14 | jmd | Is there a package which contains a *simple* XML / DTD validator ? |
| 09:31.34 | cast | p3rror: if you rip the drives out and you used mdadm, you'll be able to read them in any other box |
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| 09:31.49 | HackeMate | hi |
| 09:31.54 | HackeMate | how to know what graphic card i have |
| 09:31.58 | HackeMate | is like lspci|grep vga? |
| 09:32.05 | IceIsFun | cast: any real benefits? |
| 09:32.32 | cast | IceIsFun: thats a very big benefit in large operations |
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| 09:33.03 | IceIsFun | but in raid5/6 there is not enough data to even read one single disk |
| 09:33.18 | IceIsFun | your just talking about mirrors |
| 09:33.27 | cast | what are you blabbering on about |
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| 09:33.38 | p3rror | cast, you talk about portability but in my case i need performance |
| 09:33.51 | IceIsFun | ripping a single disk out of a large raid array and reading it? you said thats fine with mdadm |
| 09:34.04 | IceIsFun | p3rror: Check out the Areca controllers on newegg |
| 09:34.06 | cast | IceIsFun: no, i didn't. |
| 09:34.32 | IceIsFun | oh you did not say single |
| 09:34.55 | IceIsFun | well in any case you are not entirly correct, the other box has to have enough ports and often times that is not the case if you hunted down a board with a lot of sata ports |
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| 09:35.46 | IceIsFun | i would never go with a mdadm array over a good solid hardware controller |
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| 09:36.25 | cast | then you are quite silly |
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| 09:36.53 | IceIsFun | do you have a reason why i should be using mdadm over a hardware card? |
| 09:37.13 | cast | i just stated it |
| 09:37.19 | IceIsFun | or do you just sit on irc praising mdadm and calling people silly |
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| 09:37.32 | IceIsFun | ok you listed one thing that can be done with mdadm, thats it? |
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| 09:38.18 | cast | it's a big thing |
| 09:38.23 | IceIsFun | no |
| 09:38.37 | IceIsFun | I've never had to do that, and I run a lot of disks in a lot of machines |
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| 09:38.52 | p3rror | IceIsFun, there are an embedded SATA RAID controller but lenny can not detect it |
| 09:38.53 | IceIsFun | And I have spare hardware controllers on hand incase of a failure |
| 09:39.09 | IceIsFun | I did not say anything about onboard raid crap |
| 09:39.14 | jmd | IceIsFun, One reason is that most hardware cards rely upon non-free firmware. |
| 09:39.15 | IceIsFun | I am talking about hardware sas controllers |
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| 09:39.33 | cast | you've never pulled disks from one box and put them in another? |
| 09:39.41 | IceIsFun | Never had to |
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| 09:39.46 | cast | christ, even home users do that |
| 09:39.52 | IceIsFun | And I run around 80tb of live storage |
| 09:40.24 | IceIsFun | I swap out single disks often, but I've never had to migrate a entire storage solution to a new machine |
| 09:41.35 | IceIsFun | anyway you still have not given a real good reason why mdadm is a better solution than a good sas controller |
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| 09:41.46 | cast | palms face |
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| 09:41.55 | cast | gives up repeating |
| 09:42.26 | IceIsFun | all you have said is you can swap a set of disks around, and i can do that with my hardware controllers too |
| 09:42.28 | cast | there is value in features even if IceIsFun does not use them, mr IceIsFun |
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| 09:44.15 | IceIsFun | well blind often lead the blind so go ahead and tell everyone that comes in here to convert there hardware raids to mdadm, i guess it must be better :) |
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| 09:45.21 | cast | see, now you're just plain lying. |
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| 09:47.05 | p3rror | which RAID solution you choose depend on many situations |
| 09:47.56 | IceIsFun | Yes thats true for sure, I might mdadm a slow super large volume with many sas expanders over the hardware controller because you don't build those volumes for massive perfomance |
| 09:48.19 | IceIsFun | however for a high performance disk subsystem in a database machine I create a hardware array with a managed controller |
| 09:48.40 | IceIsFun | i get around 740mb/s sustained from those areca cards |
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| 09:50.01 | Darkedge | uhm in the way of video drivers in the Debian Experimental Repos, How stable are they? |
| 09:50.12 | p3rror | yep i agree, i see that RAID hw require less cpu cycles and power even RAID software is less expensive and more flexible |
| 09:50.17 | Darkedge | Intel Video Drivers* |
| 09:50.53 | p3rror | buy in my case hp comes with embedded RAID controller, that lenny can not detect it |
| 09:51.48 | p3rror | bu(t) |
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| 09:53.29 | IceIsFun | Can your controller expose drives not in a array? |
| 09:53.35 | IceIsFun | There is real value there for mdadm |
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| 09:54.16 | p3rror | IceIsFun, yes |
| 09:54.59 | p3rror | IceIsFun, the controller support on RAID0,1 and that is my need |
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| 10:09.50 | valdyn | IceIsFun: 740mb is just a raw number, it could be fairly meaningless |
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| 10:10.52 | valdyn | IceIsFun: *my* system caps long before even mdadm, adding an areca card would be pointless for speed |
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| 10:19.47 | Subby | Hi, where to start if I want to support the debian project? |
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| 10:20.17 | SparFux | Subby: www.debian.org ? |
| 10:20.46 | Subby | SparFux: really? |
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| 10:22.38 | SparFux | Subby: why not? All info is there. There are maintainers guides and stuff. |
| 10:23.53 | craigevil | !nm |
| 10:23.53 | dpkg | well, nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen; see http://nm.debian.org/ . A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never/No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. See also <maint-guide>, <networkmanager>. |
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| 10:26.31 | jmd | Subby, http://www.debian.org/donations |
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| 10:27.37 | Subby | thanks, I'm reading through right now ;) |
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| 10:29.37 | jmd | It's a shame that so many of the links on www.debian.org are broken. |
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| 10:33.32 | jmd | Subby, http://www.debian.org/intro/help.en.html also may be of interest. |
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| 10:38.53 | _ke | im right into the upgrade from etch to lenny in point 4.5.4 of http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.html. when running apt-get install get, it lists about 95 packages including mysql-server, policyd-weight which i need for removal. why that? |
| 10:38.59 | SparFux | anybody using java apps and mysql-connector in debian? |
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| 10:43.37 | craigevil | _ke:try using aptitude rather than apt-get |
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| 11:05.54 | Jemt | Hi guys. I am using Debian as my primary OS, but I also use OSX a bit. Unfortunately OSX dump all sorts of setting files in my directories, instead of storing them in my home folder. Is it possible to remove all files on my entire USB Flash disk which ends with a specific extension, or starts with a specific set of letters? ie *.mac-shit or DS_*.* ? |
| 11:06.22 | Jemt | It must be recursive, of course |
| 11:06.42 | AimHere | Yes, by rm coupled with the output of the 'find' command |
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| 11:06.58 | AimHere | rm `find . -name DS_*` for example, but be VERY careful with it |
| 11:07.34 | cast | AimHere: oh god, that's the worst coupling ever. |
| 11:07.42 | AimHere | Indeed |
| 11:07.47 | cast | AimHere: man find /-exec |
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| 11:08.22 | Jemt | I'll be careful. Thanks :) |
| 11:08.31 | hoxu_ | Jemt, do NOT use what AimHere just said |
| 11:08.44 | AimHere | You asked if it was possible |
| 11:08.54 | AimHere | I just said yes, and proof of concept |
| 11:09.06 | Jemt | hoxu_: Do you have an alternative solution ? |
| 11:09.18 | Jemt | Perhaps something using RegEx would be better ? |
| 11:09.35 | hoxu_ | Jemt, something like "find . -name 'DS_*' -exec rm \;" and now cast can correct me :P |
| 11:09.44 | Jemt | It's not just OSX files I need to get rid of. I also want to remove all *_src.js files from a directory containing source code |
| 11:10.05 | Jemt | hoxu_: Oh, that's what I was reading into using man :) |
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| 11:10.09 | AimHere | Jemt, find supports regexen |
| 11:10.17 | Jemt | Good :) |
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| 11:10.53 | osfd_ | Hi guys, I'd like to restart the sound server. how should I proceed, please |
| 11:11.14 | hoxu_ | Jemt, hrem, "find . -name 'DS_*' -exec echo rm {} +" |
| 11:12.14 | Jemt | Thank you very much, hoxu. I think I'll try outputting the files first, to make sure only the correct files are removed :) |
| 11:12.23 | Jemt | {} gives me the file names ? |
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| 11:12.46 | hoxu | Jemt, yes, read that section of the manpage :) |
| 11:13.19 | Jemt | Yup :) |
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| 11:13.26 | Zagorax | hi, i can't use my file on the ntfs partition becouse I haven't permission, I used chown to change it but the -R option doesn't work well (or i can't use it becouse it works only for one level and only on folde)... how I can change the owner of them all? |
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| 11:15.07 | hoxu | !tell Zagorax about user accessible ntfs |
| 11:16.11 | Zagorax | thank you |
| 11:16.48 | reto` | I'm using lenny and would like to pin rxvt-unicode so it's not getting upgraded by apt (I'm using my custom version) ... what would I have to put into 'preferences'? |
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| 11:22.37 | cast | why the hell when you open a png in firefox and go save as it appears to redownload it o_0 |
| 11:24.28 | _ke | after the upgrade to lenny, i can see that the shells in /etc/passwd have changed to /bin/sh instead of /bin/false for users like nobody, games, man, www-data, ... why that? |
| 11:25.34 | hoxu | cast, well, even view source does a reload from the server (or at least used to) |
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| 11:27.04 | MrTorque | where do i get the net command?? in which package is it included? |
| 11:27.18 | MrTorque | apt-cache search net gives many matches.... |
| 11:27.46 | AimHere | It'll be in a samba tools or utilities related package |
| 11:28.15 | MrTorque | AimHere: i installed samba-common |
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| 11:31.34 | AimHere | MrTorque, it seems to be in samba-common-bin on sid |
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| 11:31.52 | MrTorque | AimHere: this is installed... |
| 11:33.10 | AimHere | Well on my system, it's a symlink to /etc/alternatives/net which in turn is a symlink to /usr/bin/net.samba3 which came from samba-common-bin |
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| 11:34.18 | MrTorque | weird thing: i have /usb/bin/net.samba3 |
| 11:35.14 | AimHere | Maybe a metapackage fixes up the symlinks, or sth |
| 11:36.28 | MrTorque | AimHere: i first had installed samba 3.2 and then upgraded with lenny-backports to samba 3.3 can this be the issue? |
| 11:36.50 | AimHere | Not sure, TBH |
| 11:36.53 | MrTorque | will a reinstall (there was an apt-get switch, wasnt there) fix it? |
| 11:38.30 | AimHere | Again, I don't know. Maybe it's an oversight by the backport packager |
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| 11:46.09 | SparFux | Hi all. |
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| 11:46.55 | thrashold | How can I ban a package from installing? |
| 11:48.09 | chellomere | thrashold, is it getting installed because it is a depends or a recommends? |
| 11:48.29 | thrashold | I have no idea, but after the last upgrade, I found xscreensaver installed again |
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| 11:48.46 | thrashold | And had to manually remove it for the fourth time |
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| 11:49.31 | thrashold | Same for pulseaudio |
| 11:49.44 | chellomere | thrashold, nothing depening on xscreensaver? then it's likely a recommends. you can disable installation of recommends. |
| 11:50.55 | chellomere | on the same topic, is there something like rrecommends which shows the reverse recommends, as rdepends shows the reverse depends? |
| 11:50.56 | thrashold | chellomere: OK, is there way to keep the installation of recommends enabled, and just make it leave out xscreensaver and pulseaudio? |
| 11:51.17 | chellomere | thrashold, sorry, I don't know. not that I know, but there might be a way. |
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| 11:51.37 | thrashold | chellomere: OK, thanks :) |
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| 11:52.05 | valentin__ | Is there a way to easily setup a weave server on lenny? |
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| 11:53.46 | zak_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:55.53 | joltcan | zak_: why are you using RPMs? |
| 11:56.03 | valentin__ | weave server setup anyone? |
| 11:56.16 | zak_ | now i have used , how to remove it ? |
| 11:56.18 | MrTorque | AimHere: just added two symlinks... let's how long this works ^^ |
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| 11:56.38 | joltcan | zak_: No idea, that is not very standardized |
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| 11:57.17 | _ke | after the upgrade to lenny, i can see that the shells in /etc/passwd have changed to /bin/sh instead of /bin/false for users like nobody, games, man, www-data, ... why that? |
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| 11:59.56 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, okay. It's been a while since I messed with Debian's alternatives system, but I'm having an issue trying to get it to change everything over from using lenny's postgresql-8.3 client tools to postgresql-8.4 from lenny backports. update-alternatives --list psql, shows nothing, so what would it be under? |
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| 12:12.41 | osfd | Hi guys, I'd like to restart the sound server. how should I proceed, please |
| 12:12.51 | Psi-Jack | Which sound server? |
| 12:13.04 | Psi-Jack | There's so many now it's not even funny. |
| 12:13.49 | cahoot | osfd: you sure you even have one running? |
| 12:13.53 | osfd | Psi-Jack: actually, sometimes (mainly when I visit websites with flash) no more sound on my computer. |
| 12:14.15 | osfd | I said server, maybe not the good word sorry for the lack of accuracy |
| 12:14.33 | cahoot | osfd: try asla force-reload (as root) |
| 12:14.38 | cahoot | err alsa |
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| 12:17.10 | osfd | cahoot: that works, perfect |
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| 12:18.21 | cahoot | osfd: if your main use of flash is for youtube - look for a script that uses mplayer-plugin instead |
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| 12:19.24 | osfd | cahoot: I poop on flash but I have no choice with youtube |
| 12:20.52 | AimHere | Aren't there scripts that take youtube URLs and download and spit out the flv file? |
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| 12:21.09 | osfd | and also grooveshark which I do like uses flash too |
| 12:21.12 | AimHere | No browser needed, let alone falsh |
| 12:21.16 | cahoot | tjere's a greasemonkey script that uses mplayer |
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| 12:23.22 | osfd | also one use flowplayer |
| 12:23.30 | osfd | still in flash though |
| 12:23.54 | TheJoe | Bah. Something crashed and stole my mouse. I killed it in a TTY and now I can't move my mouse |
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| 12:28.51 | student_pilot_no | ping |
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| 12:29.05 | mcgreg | hi |
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| 12:30.12 | mcgreg | I have a problem with sound and alsa with debian here. it generally works, the problem is: when I configure my channels using alsamixer and after exiting do "alsactl store" .. my configuration should be saved permanently, correct? but is it not, after I reboot I have a random configuration .. some channels are muted and set to "0" ... any ideas? |
| 12:31.24 | valdyn | mcgreg: is linux-sound-base installed? |
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| 12:31.59 | cahoot | mcgreg: /etc/init.d/alsa-utils reset 0 doesn't do it? |
| 12:32.00 | Psi-Jack | Okay, how does Debian's psql client determine what port to use since it's not standard postgresql? |
| 12:32.19 | Psi-Jack | Right now, I upgraded to backport 8.4, and psql is defaulting to try to connect to port 5433, which is WRONG. |
| 12:32.35 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: did you read the manpage? |
| 12:32.57 | Psi-Jack | The manpage does not say how debian works the custom psql perl-based wrapper client. |
| 12:32.57 | mcgreg | valdyn, linux-sound-base is installed, yes |
| 12:33.21 | valdyn | mcgreg: "dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base" pick alsa |
| 12:33.25 | Psi-Jack | Or why it uses port 5433 instead of 5432 like psql should. |
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| 12:34.28 | valdyn | mcgreg: try /etc/init.d/alsa-utils stop and start to save and restore volume settings |
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| 12:35.13 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: so you are saying that "man psql" does not document the debian command "psql" ? |
| 12:35.37 | mcgreg | ok, I did that and see what happens after reboot |
| 12:35.40 | Psi-Jack | valdyn: Oh, it DOES document the PostgreSQL psql command, but not Debian's customized perl-based wrapper TO psql. |
| 12:35.58 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: that would be a bug in debian afaict |
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| 12:36.18 | Psi-Jack | Presumably in the backport version of it, yes. |
| 12:37.11 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: 5432 is hardcoded in the perl wrapper |
| 12:37.47 | mcgreg | valdyn, no change so far. master and frost are set to 0, all others are ~80% but all are alsom muted - nothing changed at all |
| 12:37.47 | Psi-Jack | valczir: Yes, but mine's trying to connect to 5433, since I installed postgresql-client-8.4 and removed postgresql-client-8.3 |
| 12:37.49 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: but your ~/.postgresqlrc setting would take precedence |
| 12:38.02 | oskude | hi, i'm about to install many linux distros in a virtual machine, mostly with "net install" ISO. so i would like to add cache proxy on this host machine... what proxy tool would be "easy" (not so much configuration) to setup ? |
| 12:38.13 | Psi-Jack | valdyn: I have no .psqlrc or .postgresqlrc |
| 12:38.23 | Psi-Jack | valdyn: It's effecting the entire system, not just 1 user. |
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| 12:38.56 | oskude | a proxy tool that could cache anything that goes through (not just .deb/.rpm etc) |
| 12:39.25 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: look at your perl wrapper and the hardcoded port value |
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| 12:39.53 | Psi-Jack | I'm seeing that, and I'm using perldoc to read the pod of the psql perl wrapper, but still nothing I'm seeing shows why it's using port 5433 instead of 5432. |
| 12:40.04 | vavar | how can i fix a jfs which can't be mounted after a power outage? it tells the fs type is unknown. |
| 12:40.07 | mcgreg | valdyn, ok, I was wrong |
| 12:40.07 | Psi-Jack | I had to explicitely export PGPORT=5432 for it to work, or use -p 5432 |
| 12:40.19 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: so your script has 5432 hardcoded too? |
| 12:40.24 | mcgreg | valdyn, alsa-utils reset 0 does set it correct |
| 12:40.27 | Psi-Jack | valdyn: Affirmative. |
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| 12:41.17 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: look at your /etc/postgresql-common/user_clusters |
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| 12:41.36 | Psi-Jack | Actually, I just found it. |
| 12:41.59 | Psi-Jack | it's because it ALSO reads /etc/postgresql/8.4/main/postgresql.conf and it defaults for the backport 8.4.1, to port=5433 |
| 12:42.00 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: its documented also in man pg_wrapper |
| 12:42.24 | valdyn | Psi-Jack: yea, reads both, or maybe all your posgresq versions |
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| 12:42.58 | Psi-Jack | So yeah. Heh. Maybe I should just completely remove the server, since it doesn't even run on this system anyway, it pgpool'd elsewhere. |
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| 13:18.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | If I copy all of the deb packages from my DVD repository set for Lenny to /var/cache/apt/archives, is there a flag I can set on all of them to keep them from being cleaned away no matter what? Im sick of swapping DVDs on my offline machine to just test out new apps and would like to just copy them to the machine and use it that way. |
| 13:18.46 | abrotman | why not just use an http source ? |
| 13:19.09 | jelly-home | "offline machine" |
| 13:19.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | yeah offline |
| 13:19.46 | abrotman | missed that :) |
| 13:19.59 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: nothing stopping you from copying the dvds to disk and mounting them when needed |
| 13:20.21 | jelly-home | or setting up a local repo |
| 13:20.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | jelly-home: Is it possible to mount all 5 ISO images all at the same time possibly? |
| 13:20.41 | jelly-home | !own repo |
| 13:20.41 | dpkg | Custom-Package-Repository-HOWTO: [1, as root] apt-get install dpkg-dev; [2, as user] mkdir -p ~/public_html/foo; cd ~/public_html/foo; [3] cp /your/packages.deb .; [4] dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null | gzip > Packages.gz; [5, as root] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb http://localhost/~username/foo ./"; [OR, if no local web server set up] echo >> /etc/apt/sources.list "deb file:///home/username/public_html/foo ./";, or see <reprepro> |
| 13:20.57 | jelly-home | LinuxGuy2009: not in the same place (mountpoint) |
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| 13:21.15 | xyan_ | LinuxGuy2009: man chattr (immortal bit) |
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| 13:21.26 | abrotman | he should be able to mount them all, and then use apt-cdrom on them i'd think ? |
| 13:21.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | xyan_: lost me |
| 13:21.34 | abrotman | xyan_: immutable .. |
| 13:21.40 | xyan_ | oops :) |
| 13:22.02 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: it's a command that you can use to make the file unchangeable .. but mounting the ISOs is probably a better way to go |
| 13:22.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Ok cool. |
| 13:23.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | Well whats the easiest way to take the ISOs and mount them at each boot? Any GUI apps that automate this or am i better of sticking with mount command? |
| 13:23.12 | abrotman | (this obviously assumes you have enough drive space for the DVD ISOs) |
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| 13:23.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Oh yeah plenty |
| 13:23.40 | abrotman | just no internet ... |
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| 13:25.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | Whats the syntax for mounting an ISO? just (mount name.iso /mountfolder/)? |
| 13:25.35 | xyan_ | mount -o loop name.iso /mount |
| 13:25.51 | xyan_ | you can add them to fstab with the loop option to have them mounted on boot |
| 13:25.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | xyan_: Oh thats easy enough thanks. |
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| 13:27.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | xyan_: Can I instead just the command lines to startup apps list? |
| 13:27.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | add* |
| 13:27.35 | xyan_ | LinuxGuy2009: uhm as long as root does that |
| 13:27.49 | paxed | debian testing, xorg complains about "No protocol specified", shows only black screen. help? |
| 13:27.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | xyan_: Oh right i forgot. |
| 13:28.12 | xyan_ | LinuxGuy2009: fstab would be the better way i think |
| 13:28.28 | abrotman | paxed: aptitude install xorg .. does it want to install anything ? |
| 13:28.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | xyan_: Ok Ill look into adding that then. Thank you much. |
| 13:29.07 | paxed | abrotman: no. |
| 13:29.26 | GuilhermeCunha | what is the diference between aptitude and apt-get |
| 13:29.28 | GuilhermeCunha | ? |
| 13:29.41 | abrotman | !tell GuilhermeCunha about why aptitude |
| 13:29.52 | abrotman | paxed: can you paste the /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? |
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| 13:30.37 | GuilhermeCunha | good |
| 13:30.37 | GuilhermeCunha | :D |
| 13:31.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | A file with the âiâ attribute cannot be modified: it cannot be deleted or renamed, no link can be created to this file and no data can be written to the file. Only the superuser or a proâ |
| 13:31.07 | LinuxGuy2009 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.24 | paxed | abrotman: http://bilious.homelinux.org/~paxed/Xorg.0.log |
| 13:31.27 | _ke | after the upgrade to lenny, i can see that the shells in /etc/passwd have changed to /bin/sh instead of /bin/false for users like nobody, games, man, www-data, ... why that? |
| 13:31.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | hmm |
| 13:32.13 | abrotman | _ke: they don't need valid shells |
| 13:32.29 | xyan_ | LinuxGuy2009: please use a pastebin, what i meant was copying the debs from the dvds to /var/cache/apt/archives and chattr +i them so they dont get cleaned |
| 13:32.38 | _ke | abrotman, exactly. so, why did the debian scripts change it to "/bin/sh" then? |
| 13:32.50 | abrotman | paxed: what's in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 13:33.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | xyan_: Yes I see that. What is the immutable thing it mentions? (I only pasted one line. IRC broke it up BTW) |
| 13:33.42 | abrotman | _ke: oh sorry, misread .. ignore me |
| 13:33.42 | paxed | abrotman: http://bilious.homelinux.org/~paxed/xorg.conf |
| 13:33.58 | abrotman | paxed: which version of debina is this ? |
| 13:34.12 | xyan_ | LinuxGuy2009: try it out -> touch file && chattr +i file && rm file |
| 13:34.25 | paxed | abrotman: up-to-date testing. (as of few minutes ago) |
| 13:34.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok |
| 13:35.01 | abrotman | paxed: try moving your xorg.conf aside |
| 13:35.12 | xyan_ | LinuxGuy2009: of course only root is capable of setting the immutable bit |
| 13:35.19 | paxed | abrotman: already tried that, it's no go. |
| 13:35.35 | abrotman | _ke: there might be somehting in the release notes |
| 13:35.42 | paxed | abrotman: the current xorg.conf is generated by xorg itself, that doesn't work either. |
| 13:35.47 | abrotman | paxed: i don't see a real error in your log |
| 13:35.49 | do0ob | man fstab doesn't say what flush does, how do i find out what the flush option does? |
| 13:36.14 | do0ob | i'm trying to add an option which will try to write data asap, but not the same as sync |
| 13:36.41 | paxed | abrotman: indeed. and the "No protocol specified" x client spews is of no help. |
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| 13:36.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | xyan_: Brilliant! Exactly what i needed to the T. Thank you! |
| 13:37.19 | xyan_ | LinuxGuy2009: well dont forget that you used chattr in case you want to get rid of the files laters ;-) |
| 13:37.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | xyan_: Sure thing command is easily enough named to remember. |
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| 13:38.09 | xyan_ | LinuxGuy2009: also lsattr to list those bits |
| 13:38.13 | xyan_ | too late |
| 13:38.39 | paxed | abrotman: hmph. i'll try removing xserver-xorg and reinstalling it then... |
| 13:38.59 | abrotman | paxed: the metapackage is 'xorg' .. not xserver-xorg |
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| 13:40.41 | paxed | abrotman: hm. 'xorg' wasn't installed. |
| 13:41.40 | abrotman | didn't i ask you that like .. five minutes ago ? |
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| 13:42.31 | paxed | abrotman: metapackage 'xorg'. 'xserver-xorg' was. installing 'xorg' added nothing but itself anyway. |
| 13:42.48 | abrotman | that doesn't sound right |
| 13:43.09 | abrotman | dpkg: depends xorg testing |
| 13:43.50 | dpkg | xorg: depends on xserver-xorg, libgl1-mesa-glx | libgl1, libglu1-mesa, xfonts-base (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-100dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-75dpi (>= 1:1.0.0-1), xfonts-scalable (>= 1:1.0.0-1), x11-apps, x11-session-utils, x11-utils, x11-xfs-utils, x11-xkb-utils, x11-xserver-utils, xauth, xinit, xfonts-utils, xkb-data, xterm | x-terminal-emulator |
| 13:44.25 | RichiH | is there any tool that allows using ightscribe? LaCiE seems to be distributing a RPM, but i would rather use something open or, at least, deb-based |
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| 13:44.34 | RichiH | and yes, i know of alien |
| 13:44.50 | paxed | abrotman: everything else was already installed, just the 'xorg' package wasn't. |
| 13:44.58 | paxed | abrotman: but anyway, still not working. |
| 13:45.01 | _ke | after the upgrade to lenny, i can see that the shells in /etc/passwd have changed to /bin/sh instead of /bin/false for users like nobody, games, man, www-data, ... why that? |
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| 13:49.01 | papkie | omgwtf |
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| 13:50.29 | anewbie | hi all i there a way to filter with grep file with words and get only that words that contain letters and nubers in it without to print the filename from withc are they grepped |
| 13:50.37 | anewbie | grep -E [[:alnum:]] words |
| 13:50.54 | anewbie | like that for example but somhow to remoove the words:lqlqq |
| 13:51.02 | abrotman | paxed: which command gives that error ? |
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| 13:53.44 | paxed | abrotman: just starting X, no matter what way. |
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| 13:54.34 | abrotman | so you've tried startx and gdm/xdm/kdm ? did it work before ? |
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| 13:55.06 | paxed | abrotman: hmm.. dmesg has "mtrr: no MTRR for d80000000,4000000 found" whenever i try to start X. |
| 13:55.16 | abrotman | paxed: try removing the BusID line from your xorg.conf |
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| 13:55.39 | paxed | abrotman: yes, startx. (don't use [gxk]dm) with different WMs too. |
| 13:55.46 | abrotman | judd: xorg 10de:0172 |
| 13:55.47 | judd | abrotman: In lenny, device 10de:0172 is matched by xorg drivers: 'nvidia-legacy', 'nv'. |
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| 13:56.15 | abrotman | paxed: could you humor me and try to install one of the DMs ? |
| 13:56.43 | paxed | abrotman: removing the busid: doesn't work. |
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| 14:00.08 | paxed | abrotman: running under gdm, it works. (ugh, eew :) |
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| 14:00.34 | abrotman | paxed: can you compare the logs ? |
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| 14:04.35 | paxed | abrotman: hm. looks like the only difference is the x glx module. (nvidia vs xorg's own) i'll purge the nvidia and try then... |
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| 14:07.59 | hikenboot | hello, i have a samba share on a linux box called data and a directory on a windows box called data-copied I have browsed to the linux share and click and dragged the data from the linux box to the windows box. after the copy the size has grown by some 20-30% (NTFS on windows EXT3 on linux) totaling about 30 gig of growth. However now there is 1200 less files! How do i ensure these directories are in sync? |
| 14:08.35 | abrotman | isn't that two questoins ? |
| 14:09.22 | hikenboot | abrotman, i guess it could be concidered two questions |
| 14:09.40 | abrotman | on the first, i'd guess cluster size .. the second, rsync |
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| 14:10.26 | hikenboot | can rsync, sync up two existing directories, i would rather not recopy all the data since its over 250 gig |
| 14:10.31 | grand_grunt | Is it possible to install, on Lenny, a recent package (from Squeeze or Sid) that is not in Backports, without breaking everything? |
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| 14:13.33 | hikenboot | thanks abrotman, it will indeed sync up two existing directories! |
| 14:13.48 | abrotman | grand_grunt: usually not directly .. which package is it ? |
| 14:14.32 | grand_grunt | abrotman: Iceweasel. I guess there are libs compatibily issues? |
| 14:15.13 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:20.48 | grand_grunt | abrotman: Is there a project (or, better, repository) of building "all in one" binaries, that would include recent libs for recent applications usable on older distros? I mean, you can install Firefox 3.6 on Windows 2000, could be possible to build Iceweasel 3.5 and run it on Lenny.. |
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| 14:21.27 | abrotman | grand_grunt: you could get them directly from mozilla and install in your $HONME |
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| 14:22.38 | grand_grunt | abrotman: I will try that, thanks. |
| 14:23.52 | paxed | abrotman: x doesn't load any nvidia modules, but still doesn't work for me. x works for root, though... |
| 14:23.58 | TheJoe | I've just built SDL (/usr/local/), I've kept the system installed version. Is there a way I can get an application (in this case scummvm) to use the manually built SDL rather than the system SDL? |
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| 14:25.45 | TheJoe | Yes, no, maybe, no not telling? |
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| 14:26.22 | abrotman | paxed: it should be nvidia-legacy .. how did you install those drivers ? |
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| 14:27.03 | paxed | abrotman: via the nvidia's own package, not the debian one. (i've _never_ managed to make the debian one working) |
| 14:27.16 | abrotman | !nvidia squeeze |
| 14:27.17 | dpkg | non-free nvidia+squeeze guide: (a) aptitude upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade (ensure you are running the current kernel; /msg judd kernels) (b) create a testing/unstable mix (ask me about <tum>) (c) aptitude install module-assistant; aptitude -R -t sid install nvidia-kernel-source; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia && aptitude -t sid install nvidia-glx. (d) Configure xorg.conf as per http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. |
| 14:27.23 | abrotman | awesome ... |
| 14:27.36 | abrotman | is so happy to not own any nvidia hardware |
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| 14:28.02 | TheJoe | So.... |
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| 14:30.25 | TheJoe | Seriously. I need to test a potential bugfix here. |
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| 14:31.37 | TheJoe | Yo |
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| 14:31.59 | TheJoe | Potential. Bugfix. |
| 14:32.05 | cahoot | TheJoe: try to simply put /usr/local firts in $PATH? |
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| 14:32.39 | stew | ld don't care about $PATH |
| 14:32.42 | \amethyst | ļlllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll' |
| 14:33.01 | stew | TheJoe: is the library you want to test the same soname as the one that the binary is linked against? |
| 14:33.17 | abrotman | catsmite \amethyst |
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| 14:33.46 | daffidity | Hi. Is there any difference between putting deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 14:33.46 | daffidity | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.46 | daffidity | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:33.55 | abrotman | daffidity: yes, very much so |
| 14:34.03 | TheJoe | stew: I need to test the application against the latest SDL svn, which I've compiled. |
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| 14:34.40 | stew | TheJoe: yes, i saw that. is it the same soname as the one that the application is currently compiled against? |
| 14:34.42 | daffidity | abrotman: someone care to explain how the whole debian thingy works please. Don't i get the same packages? |
| 14:34.43 | abrotman | daffidity: currently there is no difference, but when squeeze releases, stable will point at squeeze .. so if you're not aware of the release, it could make a bit of a mess .. i'd say to use the release name 'lenny' in this case |
| 14:34.51 | TheJoe | stew: Yes |
| 14:35.28 | stew | TheJoe: then I'd expect you not to have to do anything. ld should pick up the new library |
| 14:35.34 | paxed | abrotman: don't know what it is, but X works for root, even with the nvidia, just fine. X just doesn't work for my user... |
| 14:35.38 | abrotman | daffidity: and then you subscribe to the debian announcement list so that when a release happens, you know about it, and then you can plan your upgrade appropriately |
| 14:35.39 | stew | TheJoe: can you pastebin the output of "ldd /path/to/binary"? |
| 14:35.45 | abrotman | paxed: file permissions perhaps ? |
| 14:36.06 | daffidity | abrotman: So if I want to track testing. I should be putting testing not squeeze. Also is unstable always sid? |
| 14:36.15 | paxed | abrotman: can i make X tell me what it wants, other than the "No protocol specified"? |
| 14:36.23 | stew | daffidity: yes, yes. |
| 14:36.32 | abrotman | yes, and yes (though if you're asking how sources.list works, you probably shouldn't be running unstable) |
| 14:36.51 | daffidity | abrotman: thanks you! :-) |
| 14:36.55 | abrotman | paxed: what it wants? like which files? |
| 14:36.58 | daffidity | thank* |
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| 14:37.20 | TheJoe | stew: http://pastebin.com/m4cf7aa1c |
| 14:37.30 | abrotman | daffidity:sorry, meant the debian-announce mailing list above |
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| 14:37.37 | stew | TheJoe: see, # |
| 14:37.38 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.59 | TheJoe | Then the bug is clearly not fixed |
| 14:38.12 | daffidity | abrotman. one last thing. if i want to migrate to testing from stable, do I just change all my apt sources to point to testing? |
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| 14:38.25 | abrotman | !tell daffidity about lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:38.54 | daffidity | :-) |
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| 14:39.10 | TheJoe | Which is weird, since it's been around since 2005 |
| 14:39.12 | ChrisW | hi all, is there a partner to update-rc.d for inspecting if and at what levels an /etc/init.d script is set to start? |
| 14:39.29 | ChrisW | (and stop ;-) ) |
| 14:39.36 | ChrisW | oh, and at what ordering... |
| 14:39.39 | TheJoe | stew: Wait hang on |
| 14:39.44 | TheJoe | The bug is sepcifically in libsdl-mixer |
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| 14:40.20 | TheJoe | And yet I don't see that in ldd |
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| 14:40.49 | paxed | abrotman: like i said, all it says is that "No protocol specified"... if it's a file permission problem, i can't even see where i'd start finding out what file is the problem... |
| 14:41.03 | abrotman | strace might help |
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| 14:42.10 | fishsponge_ | hey people - i'm using ffmpeg from the stable debian-multimedia repo, but i notice that the "-vpre hq" flag doesn't work... i presume i'm on an old version, but i'm wondering how unstable the "testing" or "unstable" debian-multimedia repos really are... what do most people use? |
| 14:42.12 | stew | TheJoe: show us the output of ldd |
| 14:42.32 | TheJoe | ldd |
| 14:42.33 | TheJoe | Oops |
| 14:42.35 | TheJoe | hah |
| 14:42.42 | fishsponge_ | ...and i know it's personaly choice, but if more people use "unstable" because really it's fine 99% of the time, then knowing that is useful to me :-) |
| 14:42.52 | stew | TheJoe: i mean the output of "ldd /path/to/whatever" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:42.58 | abrotman | fishsponge_: they're for use with testing or unstable .. not stable |
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| 14:43.24 | fishsponge_ | abrotman, ah... so i shouldn't set my debian-multimedia repo to unstable unless my entire distro is unstable? |
| 14:43.30 | abrotman | right |
| 14:43.34 | fishsponge_ | ok, cool |
| 14:43.38 | TheJoe | stew: Yeah, I just dozily typed ldd into THIS terminal window |
| 14:43.40 | abrotman | though i'd imagine the versions are pretty close |
| 14:43.40 | fishsponge_ | i'll go download the source code then :-) |
| 14:43.48 | abrotman | (on the dmm site i mean) |
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| 14:44.07 | fishsponge_ | well, same here... but i think i remember hearing that in later versions the "-vpre" presets are built in, but on old versions you need the preset files in place |
| 14:44.13 | abrotman | fishsponge_: you don't have to guess which version of ffmpeg you have .. you can look .. and that'd be a good idea before you start compiling things |
| 14:44.17 | fishsponge_ | i've asked in #ffmpeg already, but no response yet |
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| 14:45.19 | abrotman | oh, ignore that .. |
| 14:45.21 | paxed | abrotman: it was ~/.Xauthority it couldn't read. things work now. thanks! |
| 14:45.26 | abrotman | Details for ffmpeg (3:20080706-0.3lenny1) - i386 - Stable/Lenny |
| 14:45.29 | fishsponge_ | well, i know i'm on version SVN-r13582, but i'm not sure how recent that is... let me go check |
| 14:45.32 | abrotman | Details for ffmpeg (5:0.5+svn20091210-0.0) - i386 - Unstable/Sid |
| 14:45.42 | abrotman | paxed: enjoy |
| 14:46.00 | fishsponge_ | is Sid newer or older than lenny? |
| 14:46.09 | TheJoe | fishsponge_: Neither |
| 14:46.15 | abrotman | fishsponge_: please do NOT run sid/upstable |
| 14:46.17 | fishsponge_ | ah, ok - one is stable, the other unstable i guess |
| 14:46.22 | paxed | ponders where to file bugs for xorg |
| 14:46.22 | fishsponge_ | i'm not gonna run unstable |
| 14:46.23 | abrotman | unstable |
| 14:46.31 | TheJoe | fishsponge_: Wise decision |
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| 14:47.37 | fishsponge_ | abrotman, does the 3:20080706-0.3lenny1 version come from the stable debian-multimedia repo, or the standard repo? |
| 14:47.39 | markybob | fishsponge_ you cant go from not knowing how to set up your network card one day to running unstable a day later. that's retarded and you'll get no help here when your system goes to hell, which it will |
| 14:47.45 | fishsponge_ | either way, it's quite old i think |
| 14:48.19 | TheJoe | stew: I think I have the fix. I just need to get scummvm to recognise /usr/local/lib/libSDL_mixer-1.2.so.0 |
| 14:48.26 | fishsponge_ | markybob, yeah, i know... i used to run unstable many years ago on a laptop, and it was just fine, but i wasn't using it for much. i'm certainly not going to do that on this box, and with my current skill set |
| 14:48.33 | TheJoe | No SDL mixer shows on it's ldd at all |
| 14:48.59 | stew | TheJoe: you'd have to recompile it then |
| 14:49.05 | markybob | uh-huh |
| 14:49.13 | stew | TheJoe: and possibly make some source code changes |
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| 14:49.49 | fishsponge_ | so... does anyone know if the "-vpre" presets are built into ffmpeg in the latest versions, or whether I'll still need to find some preset files in order to use that flag? i'm sure it's built in, but can't quite remember |
| 14:50.10 | stew | fishsponge_: check the source |
| 14:50.36 | fishsponge_ | stew, thanks for that... i could check the source, but i was hoping there would be an easier way. |
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| 14:50.47 | fishsponge_ | i'm no programmer by any standards (as you may have guessed) |
| 14:50.57 | fishsponge_ | i guess that's what i'll have to go do... |
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| 14:51.46 | stew | fishsponge_: sure, easier would be to ask in #ffmpeg and wait for an answer |
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| 14:52.02 | fishsponge_ | well, have done... and will attempt to learn the source code until they respond :-) |
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| 14:53.53 | ChrisW | hmm, lemme rephrase my question... is there any way to tell what runlevels and priorities app is set to start at or do I just need to spelunk through /etc/rc.x manually? |
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| 14:56.49 | stew | ChrisW: perhaps "update-rc.d -n -f remove something" to see what actions would be needed to remove something? |
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| 14:57.26 | ChrisW | stew: hmm, that seems a little risky... I just want to check, I don't want to remove... |
| 14:57.34 | ChrisW | (and I don't want to risk removing either!) |
| 14:57.41 | stew | ChrisW: why is that risky? |
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| 14:57.55 | stew | and yes, this would just check, it would not remove |
| 14:58.13 | ChrisW | ah, gotcha |
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| 15:00.20 | ChrisW | stew: you did get the arg order wrong though ;-) |
| 15:00.28 | fishsponge_ | another quick question (hopefully)... will "apt-get install subversion" give me the "svn" command itself? or is that the subversion server? |
| 15:01.00 | ChrisW | fishsponge_: it's both |
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| 15:02.11 | abrotman | fishsponge_: dmm |
| 15:02.17 | fishsponge_ | ChrisW, ok, cool... i presume the server won't actually start by default though, will it? (despite being installed) |
| 15:02.19 | abrotman | fishsponge_: you should be using aptitude |
| 15:02.33 | ChrisW | fishsponge_: correct, it won't start :-) |
| 15:02.35 | fishsponge_ | abrotman, why is aptitute better than apt-get? |
| 15:02.36 | abrotman | winks at stew |
| 15:02.44 | abrotman | !tell fishsponge_ about why aptitude |
| 15:02.48 | ChrisW | if the installation asks you to set up a repo, just say "no" ;-) |
| 15:03.05 | ChrisW | !tell chrisw about why aptitude |
| 15:03.38 | abrotman | !tell ChrisW about selftell |
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| 15:04.16 | fishsponge_ | given the bot's dead, any easy way to summarise the advantages? |
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| 15:04.23 | ChrisW | meh :-P |
| 15:04.33 | ChrisW | fishsponge_: the bot is fine |
| 15:04.40 | ChrisW | maybe she just doesn't like you ;-) |
| 15:04.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | is it possible to add a command to startup apps that begins with "su" but to include the password in the command itself so it doesnt have to stop and ask? |
| 15:05.17 | AimHere | sudo might be a better choice |
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| 15:05.44 | fishsponge_ | so anyway... why should i use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 15:06.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | AimHere: Who are you speaking to? |
| 15:06.44 | MooseMorals | fishsponge: aptitude has better dependency management (aparently) |
| 15:06.46 | AimHere | You, LinuxGuy2009 |
| 15:07.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | AimHere: Ok I thought so. So im guessing that its syntax can include a password? |
| 15:07.22 | fishsponge_ | MooseMorals, as in it's easier to sort the dependencies out, or it actually gets them correct? |
| 15:07.44 | MooseMorals | fishsponge_: no idea, thats just what the docs say |
| 15:07.55 | themill | fishsponge_: both |
| 15:08.05 | AimHere | No, but it does allow you to configure it so that certain apps don't require a password to be run as root by certain users |
| 15:08.24 | AimHere | That's more secure, since you're not leaving your root password lying around |
| 15:08.43 | fishsponge_ | themill, so apt-get is known to actually get dependencies wrong and install (or not install) the wrong packages? |
| 15:09.02 | themill | fishsponge_: it doesn't get them wrong, it just can't deal with broken dependency situations |
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| 15:09.25 | abrotman | fishsponge_: the bot already told you .. it told you in msg |
| 15:10.13 | stew | abrotman: are you hitting on me? |
| 15:10.17 | ctmjr | LinuxGuy2009: if you use your su password in a bash script anyone that has access to your computer can see it |
| 15:10.30 | fishsponge_ | abrotman, ah... there is another tab open in xchat actually... i do wish xchat would have told me about that... brb |
| 15:10.39 | abrotman | stew: let me ask the magic 8-ball |
| 15:10.58 | abrotman | fishsponge_: it did tell you .. it opened another tab ... |
| 15:11.12 | abrotman | stew: it said to ask again ? |
| 15:12.03 | fishsponge_ | abrotman, true... i hadn't noticed though... i keep switching to different windows after i've typed, so didn't see it appear |
| 15:12.28 | fishsponge_ | anyway, aptitude does seem to be generally better so maybe i'll switch as soon as i notice apt-get getting confused |
| 15:12.55 | abrotman | switch now |
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| 15:13.05 | abrotman | don't wait til there's a mess to try to learn it |
| 15:13.35 | fishsponge_ | right... next question... in which package can I find the "configure" command? i'll also need "make", of course... |
| 15:14.07 | AimHere | Make will be in binutils |
| 15:14.11 | fishsponge_ | ok, sool |
| 15:14.18 | abrotman | fishsponge_: you mean like "./configure" ? |
| 15:14.19 | markybob | you want build-essential |
| 15:14.20 | AimHere | configure is generally packaged with your source tarball |
| 15:14.23 | fishsponge_ | what does the "make" package contain then? |
| 15:14.26 | ChrisW | and "configure" is generally a shell script in whatever you're trying ot build and install |
| 15:14.32 | abrotman | fishsponge_: have you ever compiled software before ? |
| 15:14.39 | abrotman | !b-e fishsponge_ |
| 15:14.39 | dpkg | fishsponge_: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 15:14.48 | markybob | no one listens :( |
| 15:14.49 | fishsponge_ | oh, that's true... "./configure" instead of "configure" |
| 15:15.31 | fishsponge_ | abrotman, i've compiled software many times, but only using ./configure, make, make install. occasionally with a --prefix, but that's it |
| 15:15.52 | abrotman | fishsponge_: so on your beloved SuSE .. which RPM contains the 'configure' command .. seriously ... |
| 15:15.55 | fishsponge_ | this time i'm sticking a prefix on because i don't want to touch anything in the system itself |
| 15:16.15 | fishsponge_ | abrotman, yeah, ok, i got confused again... there's no call for compiling software in my job, so i rarely compile software! |
| 15:17.00 | fishsponge_ | seriously, i know you probably think i'm stupid as hell, but i'm really not... the areas i know about i genuinely know about, but the areas i'm asking for help on here are areas I do nothing in and consequently know very little about. Plus, i've not used debian for *years* |
| 15:17.30 | fishsponge_ | compiling, debian-specific things, apt, debian repositories etc... all things i know nothign about yet |
| 15:17.34 | ChrisW | what is ti you're trying to build? |
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| 15:17.46 | abrotman | ffmpeg |
| 15:18.31 | ChrisW | ffmpeg you too ;-) |
| 15:18.33 | fishsponge_ | ChrisW, ffmpeg - i've built ffmpeg before, just forgot (!) that configure wasn't a package, and was trying to work out whether to install the "binutils" or "make" package. I'm going to install build-essentials instead now, i believe! |
| 15:18.55 | ChrisW | I've not ever met a debian box where make wasn't present... |
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| 15:19.11 | markybob | you should probably do apt-get build-dep ffmpeg as well |
| 15:19.17 | fishsponge_ | well, i installed "Standard install" and nothing else when i built the box |
| 15:19.28 | fishsponge_ | no file server, no web server, no desktop environment etc... just "standard install" |
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| 15:20.12 | fishsponge_ | thanks for that markybob - presumably, though, that will give me debian-stable stuff that I will then compile the latest ffmpeg source against, right? |
| 15:20.29 | fishsponge_ | given that ffmpeg on stable is 1 year out of date, is that advisable? |
| 15:20.46 | markybob | if you have stable in your sources.list, it'll get stable dependencies |
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| 15:21.44 | fishsponge_ | markybob, will i not be able to compile ffmpeg unless i install the ffmpeg build-deps then? |
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| 15:22.27 | markybob | you have no hope of compiling anything if you dont install that program's build dependencies. it's called dependencies for a reason |
| 15:23.09 | fishsponge_ | markybob, hmm... well the configure seems to have worked... let me try a make real quick |
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| 15:24.07 | fishsponge_ | i realise the important of build dependencies, but #ffmpeg just told me that if i do an ffmpeg SVN checkout it'll contain everything needed for compilation. |
| 15:24.13 | markybob | did you actually specify which features you want it to build with? ./configure will simply disable those features if it doesnt find their dependencies...and then your ffmpeg will be pretty worthless |
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| 15:24.47 | fishsponge_ | well, all i need are the encoding codecs, AFAIK, and #ffmpeg told me they are all included in the ffmpeg checkout |
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| 15:25.03 | markybob | fishsponge_ INCLUDED, yes, but you have to enable it! |
| 15:25.04 | markybob | ./configure --help |
| 15:25.45 | fishsponge_ | ok... that's strange, because last time i compiled ffmpeg on a different system, i never had to do that. i just run ./configure, make, make install and have neen encoding videos ever since |
| 15:25.52 | fishsponge_ | maybe it works differently these days |
| 15:26.29 | markybob | gives up and goes away |
| 15:26.45 | fishsponge_ | markybob, i do appreciate your help... just trying to figure it all out |
| 15:27.17 | fishsponge_ | markybob, if things have changed, or if compiling ffmpeg on debian is different to other distros, i'd like to know... but i also find it surprising |
| 15:27.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | I'm trying out "mount /home/user/Desktop/DVD1.iso -o loop /home/user/Desktop/DVD1". This works perfectly well. Is it possible to mount an ISO to show up as a hardware CD/DVD drive for simplifying adding as a package source disk? |
| 15:28.01 | fishsponge_ | anyway, compilation done... trying an install, and will shortly try an encoding "session" |
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| 15:28.18 | markybob | you still havent stated which codecs you need |
| 15:29.32 | markybob | and why arent you using debian-multimedia? |
| 15:29.47 | fishsponge_ | well, that's because #ffmpeg told me all i did was svn checkout, configure, make, make install and it'd work - simple as that |
| 15:29.58 | fishsponge_ | it did compile quickly too, whether that makes a difference! |
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| 15:30.05 | fishsponge_ | anyway, back to ./configure --help! |
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| 15:32.02 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: you want apt to use it? you sohuld be able to use apt-cdrom and give it your mount point |
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| 15:33.46 | HackeMate | hello, i know this could be abit freak, but is just for fun (and for a child) is there a way to create a sidebar like win vista? |
| 15:34.11 | markybob | HackeMate, http://www.gdesklets.de/ |
| 15:34.17 | abrotman | HackeMate: there are a few apps to do that .. gnome or kde or something else? |
| 15:34.29 | HackeMate | gnome |
| 15:34.42 | abrotman | gdesklets is the way (ISTR others also) |
| 15:34.54 | HackeMate | oh, thankk you so much |
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| 15:36.36 | da65 | apparently Plesk is not available for Deb 5 because you dont give them enough money lol |
| 15:36.58 | da65 | time to dump plesk I think |
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| 15:37.47 | markybob | da65 like this? http://autoinstall.plesk.com/debian/PSA_9.2.3/dists/lenny/all/binary-i386/ |
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| 15:38.47 | abrotman | !dtc |
| 15:38.48 | dpkg | DTC is Domain Technologie Control, a GPL-licensed web hosting control panel - http://www.gplhost.com/software-dtc.html, or apt-cache show dtc-toaster |
| 15:39.07 | da65 | markybob: ? |
| 15:39.20 | da65 | so it is available, |
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| 15:41.02 | da65 | markybob: thanks for that link |
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| 15:42.57 | da65 | I am going to Ubuntu anyway, end of life 2013 |
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| 15:43.17 | da65 | last thing I want is hasssle on my commercial server |
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| 15:43.40 | da65 | when is end of life deb 4? |
| 15:45.35 | Psi-Jack | da65: Why do you care? You're going to ubuntu anyway. :p |
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| 15:46.37 | \amethyst | da65: security support is only "guaranteed" for a year after the next version comes out, so about two months from now |
| 15:47.09 | da65 | Psi-Jack: only cuz I have to, well plzed with etch |
| 15:47.18 | da65 | stupid plsk people |
| 15:47.42 | Psi-Jack | Heh, I prefer Virtualmin to Plesk any day of the century. |
| 15:47.52 | da65 | tried a load of others |
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| 15:48.03 | Psi-Jack | da65: Have fun. Just a FYI, most release cycles of *buntu LTS, are the same lifecycles as Debian. |
| 15:48.13 | da65 | virtualmin had email problems |
| 15:48.25 | Psi-Jack | No, YOU had email problems, virtualmin doesn't. |
| 15:48.42 | da65 | plesk runs fine and at 5 euro a month with my provider its fine |
| 15:48.56 | da65 | no really psi |
| 15:49.01 | Psi-Jack | Yes, really, da65. |
| 15:49.03 | \amethyst | Psi-Jack: what version of Debian will provide security support until 2013? |
| 15:49.15 | da65 | I erxpect a qui to get it right |
| 15:49.20 | da65 | it did not |
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| 15:49.27 | Psi-Jack | laughs. |
| 15:49.33 | da65 | well |
| 15:49.38 | Psi-Jack | da65: Have fun being a dumb*** then. ;) |
| 15:49.45 | da65 | not like you super with code I guess |
| 15:49.54 | da65 | chill out man :) |
| 15:50.08 | Psi-Jack | It's got nothing to do with code, but basic server administration. |
| 15:50.11 | da65 | I used wenmin for ages, irs great |
| 15:50.16 | abrotman | it's awful |
| 15:50.17 | da65 | webmin |
| 15:50.28 | da65 | it works |
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| 15:50.37 | Psi-Jack | What do you do when it stops working? Even Plesk has been prone to major catastrophes. You manage it. |
| 15:50.50 | da65 | no, my provider does |
| 15:51.01 | da65 | its called insurance lol |
| 15:51.01 | Psi-Jack | just shakes his head. |
| 15:51.10 | Psi-Jack | Your fired. :) |
| 15:51.11 | tyranocore | anyone know of a good application to monitor bandwidth usage by application? i can monitor total bandwidth in/out through my router firmware, but i am looking for something that will break this down to each app |
| 15:51.13 | da65 | lol |
| 15:51.48 | Psi-Jack | da65: You put the logic, "If a directory tree fails and there's no administrators around, do the users still scream?" to the point. |
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| 15:52.47 | da65 | not that noobish, its when qmail and stuff like that messes up I need a little help :) |
| 15:53.01 | abrotman | hint .. don't use qmail |
| 15:53.21 | da65 | anyway, stop doing the hilier than thou bit, its childish man |
| 15:53.24 | Psi-Jack | LOL! Qmail? There's your problem. |
| 15:53.29 | da65 | holier even |
| 15:53.37 | abrotman | da65: do you have a Debian question? |
| 15:53.43 | da65 | yeah |
| 15:54.10 | abrotman | if you want to know about Plesk, ask #plesk |
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| 15:54.20 | da65 | when will debiian be ready for desktop usage? |
| 15:54.44 | themill | da65: it already is. Do you have any channels you'd like to troll instead? |
| 15:54.46 | da65 | great server |
| 15:54.53 | da65 | not trollibng |
| 15:54.57 | da65 | trolling |
| 15:55.03 | themill | dpkg: tell da65 about enter |
| 15:55.05 | \amethyst | da65: If by 'ready for desktop usage' you mean 'ships with non-free firmware and drivers', never |
| 15:55.06 | da65 | just following others leads :) |
| 15:55.18 | Psi-Jack | da65: Just because it doesn't have the latest and greatest bleeding edge unstable software, doesn't mean it's not ready for desktop usage. |
| 15:55.28 | abrotman | da65: Do you need help with a debian system or not? |
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| 15:55.55 | da65 | abrotman: why are you looking for a fight? |
| 15:55.55 | SparFux | I get this error: http://pastebin.com/m7bee09ea How to completely take down one ifup interface? |
| 15:55.56 | Psi-Jack | da65: But you don't care anyway, you're going to Ubuntu as you've already expressed. |
| 15:56.12 | da65 | ubuntu is based on Debian |
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| 15:56.20 | abrotman | da65: because this is a support channel for Debian users |
| 15:56.37 | themill | da65: please take a break from #debian and try to be more signal and less noise in future. Take ubuntu questions to #ubuntu |
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| 16:00.21 | Psi-Jack | Heh, did he revert to /msg'ing people? |
| 16:00.56 | Shadowcat | it's Sunday already? |
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| 16:01.14 | Psi-Jack | Shadowcat: Only on the Eastern side of the world. :p |
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| 16:02.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok Im hitting the 4Gb fat32 limit with these DVD ISO files. Are there any other file systems that dont have file permissions and support over 4GB files? |
| 16:02.44 | Shadowcat | Psi-Jack: it's Saturday here |
| 16:02.50 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: ext3 ? |
| 16:02.55 | Psi-Jack | Yep. It's still Saturday here as well. |
| 16:02.55 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: or get the CD ISOs |
| 16:02.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | Should I just use ext3 on my external 250GB WD MyPassport? |
| 16:03.29 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok thats cool Ill just do that i guess i have to. |
| 16:03.29 | Psi-Jack | LinuxGuy2009: Why on earth are you using FAT on DVDs? |
| 16:03.30 | LinuxGuy2009 | Psi-Jack: What are you even talking about? |
| 16:04.07 | zinx | LinuxGuy2009: fwiw you generally only need the first CD - or even just the net install cd |
| 16:04.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | I said nothing of fat on dvds |
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| 16:04.23 | zinx | LinuxGuy2009: usually you only need more than that if the target has no internet, or very slow internet |
| 16:04.24 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: he's trying to store the ISOs on his filesystem so he can mount them over the loop and use the sources |
| 16:04.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | zinx: Already downloaded all 5 DVDs |
| 16:04.29 | Psi-Jack | Ahh |
| 16:04.31 | Psi-Jack | heh |
| 16:04.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok thanks |
| 16:04.44 | LinuxGuy2009 | ext3 it is |
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| 16:04.54 | Psi-Jack | Yeah, first thing I do with any external drive I hook up to Linux is reformat with XFS. |
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| 16:06.15 | iluminator101 | my cdrom is not mounting |
| 16:06.44 | Shadowcat | mount /dev/hdc1 /media/cdrom |
| 16:07.15 | abrotman | how do you know it's hdc ? |
| 16:08.13 | Shadowcat | just a hunch |
| 16:08.17 | Shadowcat | secondary master |
| 16:08.22 | Shadowcat | otherwise it's /dev/hda1 |
| 16:08.42 | Shadowcat | if it's an SATA drive I have no idea of what drive it iwill be |
| 16:08.46 | Shadowcat | will* |
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| 16:10.12 | abrotman | or sdc ? or sdb ? or hdj ? |
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| 16:11.41 | LinuxGuy2009 | Doesnt the /etc/rc.local run any command including su ones at bootup? |
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| 16:13.16 | abrotman | why would you think that? |
| 16:13.27 | fishsponge_ | anyone know why i can't find the "libopencore-amrnb-dev" package in lenny? |
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| 16:15.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Because Ubuntu does and its based on Debian. |
| 16:15.17 | stew | fishsponge_: because it wasn't uploaded to debian until over a year after lenny was frozen |
| 16:15.34 | fishsponge_ | stew, ah, ok... what's the easiest way to get that package onto lenny then? |
| 16:15.48 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: Debian is not Ubuntu |
| 16:15.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | fishsponge_: backports? |
| 16:16.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Wow your smart! |
| 16:16.14 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: are you sure you don't mean /etc/init.d/rc.local ? |
| 16:16.19 | fishsponge_ | i'm kinda shaving a yak to get ffmpeg installed still atm... following an ubuntu guide on recommendation from #ffmpeg! |
| 16:16.22 | _agn_ | which package should i install to get manpages of config files |
| 16:16.31 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.33 | stew | fishsponge_: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:16.33 | abrotman | _agn_: such as ? |
| 16:16.35 | _agn_ | no manpage for syslog.conf |
| 16:16.39 | fishsponge_ | !debian-backports @ fishsponge |
| 16:16.46 | fishsponge_ | maybe that'll work... |
| 16:16.54 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Is that what im looking for? |
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| 16:17.05 | abrotman | !tell LinuxGuy2009 about rc.local |
| 16:17.05 | stew | fishsponge_: do you actually need to encode or decode amrs ? |
| 16:17.11 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: supposedly it should work ? |
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| 16:17.33 | fishsponge_ | well i don't know... it depends what videos i'll be decoding in future |
| 16:17.48 | stew | fishsponge_: that means you don't. so compile ffmpeg without amr support |
| 16:17.59 | fishsponge_ | stew, fair enough! |
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| 16:18.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Ok I remebered right then. Thanks. |
| 16:18.44 | _agn_ | um..there's a mapnage for rsyslog.conf |
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| 16:18.58 | stew | fishsponge_: amr is for speech encoding and for cellphone ringtones, typically. its not used in video |
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| 16:20.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Its cool using that cause you can add su commands there and they run without password prompt. It works cause it requires a admin password to edit the file in the first place to add the commands. Pretty cool idea. |
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| 16:24.15 | Argafal | LinuxGuy2009: sounds exactly like sudo to me. |
| 16:24.53 | Selveste1 | is with Argafal on this one.! its just sudo :P |
| 16:25.10 | stew | oh was he really talking about something other than sudo? |
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| 16:26.02 | OutOfLine | I have installed squeeze with todays installer snapshot. The installer found all other OS (Lenny, sid, XP) so i let it install grub2. But now i can only boot squeeze, no entries in the boot menu for other OSs. It's my son's machine and he wants to play his games on XP! I do not know grub2 yet. Please help. |
| 16:26.49 | Argafal | stew: i think he did, tho it didn't make any sense to me. |
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| 16:28.50 | OutOfLine | Does the installer save the old mbr somewhere before installing grub2? |
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| 16:29.21 | Selveste1 | OutOfLine: Boot in squeeze and run the grub2 config again ? |
| 16:29.41 | OutOfLine | what command? |
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| 16:30.04 | Selveste1 | OutOfLine: I think "grub-setup" |
| 16:31.06 | OutOfLine | ok i'll rtfm, try and come back then. But would like to find the backup for the mbr first, if there is one... |
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| 16:31.59 | iluminator101 | it says cdrom is mounted it doesnt show it |
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| 16:34.18 | abrotman | OutOfLine: i usually also install os-prober |
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| 16:34.39 | OutOfLine | does the installer use this? |
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| 16:35.04 | kolpo | How can I prevent logrotate from deleting old log files? I can set maxage or rotate to a very high count. But is there no cleaner way? |
| 16:35.18 | iluminator101 | here is my cdrom fstabl line /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 |
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| 16:36.11 | abrotman | kolpo: remove the option altogether perhaps |
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| 16:36.43 | Vyacheslav | This is such a n00bish question but... |
| 16:36.53 | Vyacheslav | How do I install firefox 3.5 from the terminal in Debian? |
| 16:37.22 | OutOfLine | abrotman: os-prober is installed, but i don't know what to do with it. just run it? (there's no man page) |
| 16:37.41 | Argafal | aptitude install iceweasel i guess. the version depends whether you use stable/unstable/testing... |
| 16:37.46 | abrotman | OutOfLine: when you run 'update-grub' it should fin dit |
| 16:37.55 | abrotman | Vyacheslav: in lenny? it's not available |
| 16:38.22 | kolpo | abrotman: If I remove the rotate option then "logrotate -v logrotate.conf" tells me: "rotating pattern: /tmp/test.log weekly (no old logs will be kept)". :-/ |
| 16:38.25 | Vyacheslav | So just use Iceweasel? |
| 16:38.54 | abrotman | kolpo: that's not useful |
| 16:38.55 | OutOfLine | i am a b it afraid of loosing mbr backups of the last working state. does the installer make mbr backups? where? |
| 16:38.59 | stew | Vyacheslav: iceweasel is firefox with a name change and different icons |
| 16:39.07 | Vyacheslav | Awesomesauce. |
| 16:39.09 | Vyacheslav | Thanks a bunch. |
| 16:39.17 | kolpo | abrotman: What do you mean? |
| 16:39.32 | abrotman | kolpo: i meant that it's not helping you |
| 16:39.35 | stew | OutOfLine: no, the installer doesn't backup the mbr |
| 16:39.54 | OutOfLine | thanks |
| 16:40.44 | abrotman | kolpo: i don't see anything in the man page |
| 16:40.57 | Cain | Vyacheslav : you can try this ==> http://dannybuntu.blogspot.com/2009/06/day-1044b-howto-install-firefox-35rc3.html |
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| 16:42.09 | stew | hah, "If you get a "No Display Specified" Error or any "Display" related error - simply reboot." |
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| 16:43.05 | madi | hello All |
| 16:43.07 | kolpo | abrotman: Without the rotate or maxage option, the previous rotated log gets deleted. :-/ |
| 16:43.18 | madi | my laptop has ati card, this the glxinfo log : http://paste.debian.net/54448/ |
| 16:43.27 | OutOfLine | confused by update-grub and grub-setup and os-prober and and and |
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| 16:43.30 | madi | have you any clue on how can i fix it ? |
| 16:43.38 | madi | i'm on debian lenny |
| 16:43.49 | abrotman | kolpo: there may not be a direct way to do what oyu're looking for |
| 16:44.24 | _agn_ | my lcd brightness automatically goes to 100% when starting X (startx) and when waking up the display |
| 16:44.29 | kolpo | abrotman: Can't believe that this is not a frequently requested feature. |
| 16:44.37 | Argafal | OutOfLine: it's very easy, get rid of the shit and use the and only ;) |
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| 16:45.14 | abrotman | kolpo: well, you could set the logrotate to be yearly and keep 20 of them ? |
| 16:45.16 | OutOfLine | Argafal: still confused ;) |
| 16:45.17 | _agn_ | its intel 82852/855GM gfx |
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| 16:45.33 | Argafal | OutOfLine: i'm not, since i did that. five years ago. |
| 16:45.36 | Argafal | probably six. |
| 16:45.43 | Argafal | is clean since 6 years now. |
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| 16:45.59 | OutOfLine | you did *what*? |
| 16:46.05 | kolpo | abrotman: Maybe. :-) |
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| 16:46.21 | Argafal | i deleted the windows partition and stayed with one OS for every task. |
| 16:46.25 | abrotman | kolpo: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=42684 .. it's actually a very old wishlist bug |
| 16:46.35 | abrotman | it's over 10 years old |
| 16:46.51 | HTT-Bird | ok...folks, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551018 is NOT fixed by OpenAL 1.10 :@ |
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| 16:47.18 | OutOfLine | Argafal: well *I* did that too, 10 years ago, but it's my sons machine :( |
| 16:47.36 | tuliohm | How can i configure my wireless card on debian lenny? |
| 16:47.37 | tuliohm | :X |
| 16:47.41 | HTT-Bird | in fact, where as before the assertion was triggering on shutdown, now the program in question (PlaneShift, if you're interested) is now causing OpenAL to trigger that assertion on startup |
| 16:47.47 | Argafal | OutOfLine: don't you see your responsibility for educating him properly? ;> |
| 16:47.48 | HTT-Bird | tuliohm, what wireless card do you have? |
| 16:47.57 | ehnvis | tuliohm: like you do on every other linux dist? |
| 16:48.01 | tuliohm | that's the problem |
| 16:48.03 | tuliohm | the lspci |
| 16:48.06 | tuliohm | does not show |
| 16:48.08 | tuliohm | i think |
| 16:48.12 | tuliohm | wait |
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| 16:48.21 | HTT-Bird | tuliohm, pastebin lspci -vv to us |
| 16:48.26 | abrotman | -nn |
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| 16:48.39 | HTT-Bird | yeah, better yet: lspci -vvnn :) |
| 16:48.40 | tuliohm | HTT-Bird, |
| 16:48.41 | tuliohm | http://pastebin.com/f251254d4 |
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| 16:48.43 | HTT-Bird | thx abrotman |
| 16:48.44 | OutOfLine | Argafal: sounds like you don't have teen age children ;) |
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| 16:48.56 | abrotman | tuliohm: lspci -nn |
| 16:48.59 | tuliohm | opz |
| 16:49.00 | tuliohm | srry |
| 16:49.03 | ctmjr | madi: have you installed the driver for your card |
| 16:49.09 | abrotman | but i can see it's not there |
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| 16:49.25 | abrotman | tuliohm: does it show up with lsusb ? |
| 16:49.25 | tuliohm | http://pastebin.com/f38225dec |
| 16:49.26 | kolpo | abrotman: Thank you. I will keep an eye on this bug. |
| 16:49.39 | tuliohm | let me see |
| 16:49.45 | tuliohm | ohhhhhhhh |
| 16:49.48 | abrotman | kolpo: you may want to append it and see if there is any chance it might get added to the package |
| 16:49.51 | tuliohm | with lsusb i can see |
| 16:49.54 | tuliohm | look |
| 16:50.10 | tuliohm | Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0bda:8189 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. RTL8187B Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps Network Adapter |
| 16:50.18 | HTT-Bird | ah, you have a USB wireless adapter |
| 16:50.25 | tuliohm | hmm |
| 16:50.43 | kolpo | abrotman: The patch is not attached to the mail. And the link is dead. |
| 16:50.45 | tuliohm | do you know what a have to do? |
| 16:51.05 | tuliohm | the network manager on gnome does not show wireless connections |
| 16:51.07 | madi | ctmjr: yes, at least i think so (i installed propietary drivers) |
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| 16:51.40 | tuliohm | i remember that on debian squeeze i can use wireless |
| 16:51.48 | tuliohm | but with lenny |
| 16:51.52 | tuliohm | i can't |
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| 16:52.13 | HTT-Bird | tuliohm, probably due to different kernel versions |
| 16:52.29 | Argafal | tuliohm: i don't know the chipset very well, but you could try searching the web for the chipset and "linux" or "debian" to find out when it got integrated into the kernel |
| 16:52.30 | abrotman | tuliohm: does your internet work at all ? |
| 16:52.47 | abrotman | it's already in the kernel |
| 16:52.47 | Argafal | abrotman: well, some obviously does ;) |
| 16:52.51 | tuliohm | abrotman, yes |
| 16:53.00 | abrotman | !tell tuliohm about backports.org |
| 16:53.09 | tuliohm | hmm |
| 16:53.13 | Argafal | !tell argafal about you |
| 16:53.19 | tuliohm | i ll try to do this without backports |
| 16:53.19 | HTT-Bird | Argafal, it's in the kernel |
| 16:53.24 | tuliohm | if i cant |
| 16:53.29 | tuliohm | i ll use backports |
| 16:53.40 | Argafal | HTT-Bird: ok |
| 16:53.41 | HTT-Bird | tuliohm, you'll have to use a newer kernel than what Lenny provides most likely to support your chip version |
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| 16:53.57 | Argafal | HTT-Bird: well, it's obviously NOT in the lenny kernel. |
| 16:54.09 | tuliohm | HTT-Bird, i can't compile the the driver as a module? |
| 16:54.09 | tuliohm | :X |
| 16:54.10 | ctmjr | madi: the ones from ati's web site? |
| 16:54.17 | HTT-Bird | tuliohm, yes you can :) |
| 16:54.20 | tuliohm | ok :) |
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| 16:54.37 | kolpo | error: logrotate.conf:8 bad rotation count '1000000000000000000' |
| 16:54.38 | kolpo | :-) |
| 16:54.45 | HTT-Bird | Argafal, the rtl8187 driver IS in Lenny's kernel AFAIK, it's just that his exact HW rev isn't supported by that version of rtl8187 |
| 16:54.49 | \amethyst | kolpo: it probably has to fit in a 32-bit integer |
| 16:55.00 | \amethyst | kolpo: try 2147483647 |
| 16:55.12 | Argafal | HTT-Bird: nitpick :-p but ok. |
| 16:55.13 | kolpo | Signed integer? |
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| 16:55.30 | \amethyst | kolpo: I don't know whether it uses an int or an unsigned int |
| 16:55.30 | abrotman | tuliohm: the bot already told you how to do it |
| 16:55.33 | kolpo | (2^32)/2-1 |
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| 16:55.43 | madi | ctmjr: yes, from the ati web site |
| 16:55.48 | kolpo | \amethyst: I am trying. |
| 16:55.49 | tuliohm | abrotman, where? o.O |
| 16:55.50 | dsfsadfsd | hi something's terribly wrong with my keyboard |
| 16:55.52 | dsfsadfsd | it works like an hour into my session |
| 16:55.57 | abrotman | tuliohm: see the msg from the bot |
| 16:56.08 | HTT-Bird | anyone got a clue why http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=551018 would continue to be an issue when using OpenAL 1.10? |
| 16:56.14 | dsfsadfsd | then it stops working |
| 16:56.15 | tuliohm | abrotman, who is the bot |
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| 16:56.30 | abrotman | dpkg: wave |
| 16:56.30 | dpkg | waves to abrotman |
| 16:56.34 | HTT-Bird | tuliohm, dpkg :) |
| 16:56.53 | dsfsadfsd | during my last boot, my cursor kept printing "x" and i couldn't stop it! |
| 16:56.56 | dsfsadfsd | ls |
| 16:57.12 | itsosimpo | hi can someone help? |
| 16:57.13 | tuliohm | ohh |
| 16:57.16 | tuliohm | now i see :P |
| 16:57.21 | tuliohm | thanks |
| 16:57.23 | tuliohm | i ll try |
| 16:57.38 | tuliohm | after that i will back here |
| 16:57.39 | tuliohm | :) |
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| 16:57.45 | abrotman | lay off the enter key |
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| 16:58.07 | kolpo | \amethyst: 2147483647 works. But you will not how it works. Look here: http://pastebin.com/m56ad0a15 :-) |
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| 16:58.13 | itsosimpo | err |
| 16:58.26 | itsosimpo | idk it' snot the enter key |
| 16:58.36 | itsosimpo | lol, sorry |
| 16:58.42 | HTT-Bird | itsosimpo, abrotman was talking to tuliohm :) |
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| 16:59.06 | kolpo | \amethyst: And there is an integer overflow. |
| 16:59.14 | itsosimpo | oh right. still what's wrong with my keyboard input??? |
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| 17:00.02 | OutOfLine | Selveste1: I coud not solve the problem with grub-setup |
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| 17:00.31 | abrotman | OutOfLine: when you run 'update-grub' .. does it say anything about your other operating systems ? |
| 17:01.02 | _agn_ | kolpo: can't you use prerotate/endscript to copy the logs files to some other place ? |
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| 17:01.22 | Selveste1 | OutOfLine: try "update-grub2" then |
| 17:02.33 | kolpo | I don't like logrotate. |
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| 17:03.02 | ctmjr | madi:that driver has no debian support but make sure the card you have is supported by the driver and run aticonfig --initial as root any other problems there is #ati channel |
| 17:03.18 | HTT-Bird | madi, what card do you have? |
| 17:03.19 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 17:03.44 | tuliohm | abrotman, |
| 17:03.58 | tuliohm | i added the backports repository |
| 17:04.03 | OutOfLine | abrotman: ahh now update-grub did the trick! many thanks also from my son! |
| 17:04.13 | tuliohm | but now, wich package i have to install? |
| 17:04.15 | abrotman | OutOfLine: tell him to get a real job and quit playing games! |
| 17:04.19 | abrotman | !tell tuliohm about enter |
| 17:04.28 | HTT-Bird | tuliohm, you need an updated kernel |
| 17:04.36 | HTT-Bird | (it's not a separate package) |
| 17:04.37 | abrotman | tuliohm: what's your CPU ? |
| 17:04.40 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: yes, it is |
| 17:04.51 | codrus | does anyone else find Iceweasel crashing about once every couple days in debian stable? seems to happen when listening to pandora or streaming clips |
| 17:04.53 | HTT-Bird | oh...? o.O |
| 17:05.06 | abrotman | codrus: so .. flash stuff ? |
| 17:05.06 | HTT-Bird | that strikes me as odd tbh :) |
| 17:05.16 | codrus | abrotman: yeah maybe |
| 17:05.28 | TheJoe | How exactly do I use a .diff? Would ./configure just apply the differences automatically or what? |
| 17:05.43 | HTT-Bird | TheJoe, man patch |
| 17:05.59 | tuliohm | abrotman, intel core 2 duo |
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| 17:06.14 | abrotman | tuliohm: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686 |
| 17:07.31 | OutOfLine | abrotman: when he'll finish school he might become a programmer writing Linux games ;) |
| 17:07.37 | soopos | Which file/application does control user's access to the display besides xhost? |
| 17:07.39 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, he could be running amd64 or x86 :) |
| 17:07.57 | abrotman | HTT-Bird: x86 is 686 ? |
| 17:08.07 | abrotman | OutOfLine: freaking better be .. no more XP for games .. jeez |
| 17:08.09 | HTT-Bird | yes, but he could be running x64 |
| 17:08.11 | TheJoe | HTT-Bird: I'm not sure what is meant by the -p parameter |
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| 17:08.14 | Selveste1 | abrotman: x86 = 64-bit |
| 17:08.19 | soopos | * I can only "sudo ddd" to have access to a display, while not without sudo |
| 17:08.24 | abrotman | no, that's x86_64 |
| 17:08.30 | tuliohm | abrotman, ok.... hmmm, tell me one thing. why a lot of people use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
| 17:08.36 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 17:08.37 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 17:08.49 | Selveste1 | abrotman: ahh yes yor right then it 386 and 686 |
| 17:09.05 | HTT-Bird | TheJoe, -p is used to compensate for path differences |
| 17:09.36 | HTT-Bird | between the person who made the patch and the person who is applying the patch :) |
| 17:09.39 | tuliohm | ohh, thakns :) |
| 17:10.32 | OutOfLine | still wondering why he had to run update-grub after todays squeeze install to make the other OSs appear in the boot menu |
| 17:11.02 | TheJoe | There's no output, but I can hear the Hard Drive clicking away. I guess its working... |
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| 17:12.00 | tuliohm | !help |
| 17:12.06 | tuliohm | :X |
| 17:12.14 | HTT-Bird | tuliohm, /msg dpkg !help |
| 17:12.21 | tuliohm | kkk |
| 17:12.21 | tuliohm | ok |
| 17:12.23 | tuliohm | :) |
| 17:12.49 | TheJoe | HTT-Bird: Wait - was it correct to place the .diff in the source directory and run patch from within the directory? |
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| 17:13.05 | TheJoe | IE: joe@megaboxdeb:~/SDL_mixer-1.2.8$ patch -p0 sdl-mixer1.2_1.2.8-6.diff |
| 17:13.11 | HTT-Bird | TheJoe, as long as all the hunks apply cleanly, you should be cool :) |
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| 17:13.37 | tuliohm | restarting... :) |
| 17:13.39 | TheJoe | HTT-Bird: Then it's just taking a very long, very silent time |
| 17:13.56 | SparFux | Hi all. I have problems with my network. What the hell is going on here: http://pastebin.com/m7d73b0f6 |
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| 17:14.24 | stew | TheJoe: you want to send the diff into stdin, not pass it on the commandline |
| 17:14.32 | HTT-Bird | oh yeah that's right |
| 17:14.36 | TheJoe | Oh |
| 17:14.43 | stew | TheJoe: its stitting there waiting for you to send a patch to stdin so that it can use that patch to change your diff |
| 17:14.48 | stew | which isn't what you want |
| 17:14.53 | HTT-Bird | TheJoe, hit CtrlC and try again like so: patch -p0 < sdl-mixer1.2_1.2.8-6.diff |
| 17:15.26 | TheJoe | There we go |
| 17:16.25 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, your router is trying to tell you that there is nothing at that address |
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| 17:16.38 | pask | hi |
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| 17:17.43 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: well, the nmap foudn the router. But I cannot ping it. Why that? The network seems ok for me. |
| 17:17.49 | tuliohm | I'm using my wireless router right now :DDD |
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| 17:18.09 | tuliohm | HTT-Bird, abrotman very thanks |
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| 17:18.13 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: http://pastebin.com/m1025b846 |
| 17:18.15 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, o.o what is at the address that's sending the ICMP Destination Host Unreachables? |
| 17:18.16 | tuliohm | and thanks to the bot :) |
| 17:18.17 | HTT-Bird | tuliohm, np |
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| 17:18.56 | tuliohm | I'm the new member of #debian :P |
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| 17:19.22 | tuliohm | however, another thing... |
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| 17:19.56 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: I am on one and the same machine. |
| 17:20.26 | TheJoe | So. Hopefully *now* the SDL-mixer bug fix should apply |
| 17:20.35 | TheJoe | And the Monkey Island theme will sound awesome again ^^ |
| 17:20.41 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, then you managed to confuse the internal Linux routing logic somehow :O |
| 17:21.01 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: hm... |
| 17:21.03 | tuliohm | I have no idea of what's happening. I have a problem with my video card, a Via Chrome9 integrated. It's a good card but use vesa is not for me :X |
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| 17:21.08 | pask | hi, goodevening to everyone |
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| 17:21.33 | Xecuter | hi! just downloaded debian live and booted, but i have no network connections, eth0 doesn't show in ifconfig. How do i get that? |
| 17:21.34 | HTT-Bird | tuliohm, have you tried OpenChrome? |
| 17:21.35 | tuliohm | i tried to use openchrome and via drivers on xserver, but none works |
| 17:21.39 | HTT-Bird | oh... |
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| 17:21.40 | HTT-Bird | o.o |
| 17:21.54 | HTT-Bird | make sure that a fb driver isn't grabbing the card b4 X loads |
| 17:21.54 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: I have a hub connected to eth1 and behind that is the router. |
| 17:21.55 | TheJoe | What? Noooooo |
| 17:22.03 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: perhaps that is the problem? |
| 17:22.10 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, the hub isn't the issue |
| 17:22.19 | HTT-Bird | what the heck are br0 and ppp0 doing around though? |
| 17:22.48 | tuliohm | HTT-Bird, "card b4 X loads". sorry but i don't understand |
| 17:22.48 | tuliohm | :X |
| 17:23.08 | pask | I have just installed debian, but I am encountering some problem.. I keep getting an error message, in my terminal, which says: kernel:[ 1387.964902] do_IRQ: 0.100 No irq handler for vector ---- now, this problem doesn't let me work with the terminal as i want, and some times the screen freezes, does anyone know how could I fix this ? |
| 17:23.11 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: no. it's not the problem. |
| 17:23.36 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: br0 is an ethernet bridge. I once set this up for gaming. And ppp0 is my internet connection! |
| 17:23.54 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: however, somehow my network is screwed. |
| 17:23.59 | TheJoe | Well this has clearly not worked - has the SDL crackling sound bug even been fixed |
| 17:24.19 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: perhaps it's a bad idea for me to have a bridge, as I am not really using it anymore. |
| 17:24.25 | jhutchins_lt | TheJoe: Bug number? |
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| 17:25.13 | TheJoe | jhutchins_lt: It's in Launchpad #66483 - they report it's been fixed in the latest upstream which I've just compiled |
| 17:25.15 | HTT-Bird | tuliohm, basically, is a framebuffer driver grabbing the graphics device before X has a chance to grab it? |
| 17:25.31 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, yeah, kill the bridge |
| 17:25.40 | HTT-Bird | and you don't need a router on the LAN side of your box either |
| 17:25.46 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: what should be the device for my default hostname locally? |
| 17:25.46 | jhutchins_lt | tuliohm: The framebuffer driver can sometimes conflict with the driver for X. You can add vga=normal to your boot command to turn it off. |
| 17:25.49 | HTT-Bird | basically, that box has to be the router |
| 17:26.18 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: the router is WLAN. |
| 17:26.31 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: I don't use WLAN, but I would like to be able to set this up. |
| 17:26.35 | pask | i would very much appreciate some help, because i am new to this and i don't know what to do.. i been searching on the web for a bit, but i couldn't find any solution to the problem |
| 17:26.54 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, you want WLAN? put a wireless card in the box with ppp0 in it and have Linux run that card in AP mode |
| 17:27.11 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: Ok, then I don't auto up the bridge, but my default hostname has address 192.168.118.8 which is on the bridge. What should be my default ip? |
| 17:27.18 | HTT-Bird | (basically, the box with ppp0 in it IS in the router position, so make it do all the routing/NAT/firewall duties) |
| 17:27.19 | jhutchins_lt | pask: What are you trying to do that is not working? |
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| 17:27.27 | HTT-Bird | you will have multiple addresses and will be running NAT on that box |
| 17:27.40 | HTT-Bird | ppp0 should get an address from your ISP |
| 17:27.42 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: right. |
| 17:27.49 | HTT-Bird | the LAN side interface should have a static IP |
| 17:28.04 | HTT-Bird | your hostname will be ISP assigned as well via DHCP |
| 17:28.05 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: and that one should be my defautl hoost ip? |
| 17:28.09 | TheJoe | jhutchins_lt: It doesn't look like there is a Debian bug report |
| 17:28.18 | pask | jhutchins_lt, i just installed debian, but i keep getting an error message in my terminal. It is: kernel:[ 1387.964902] do_IRQ: 0.100 No irq handler for vector |
| 17:28.27 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, what's a "default host ip"? :o |
| 17:28.36 | HTT-Bird | pask, o.O what CPU do you have? |
| 17:28.38 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: well, the ip I use locally, a lan ip. |
| 17:28.42 | pask | some times the screen freezes too, and it keeps repeating that msg in the terminal |
| 17:28.53 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: I want to have a local net to test things. |
| 17:28.54 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, oh, think of the Linux box AS your router |
| 17:28.59 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, that's understandable |
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| 17:29.25 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: And this lan has to have a domain name, I use br.priv and it has to have ip address range, I use 192.168.118.0 |
| 17:29.29 | HTT-Bird | but the box in question IS your router, basically, if you want ANYTHING on the LAN to have internet connectivity |
| 17:29.35 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, yeah |
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| 17:29.59 | SparFux | I think I configured some programs for br.priv aka 192.168.118.0, so killing it will make those progs break. |
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| 17:30.04 | jhutchins_lt | pask: Without intimate knowledge of your particular hardware, I can't very well figure out what might be causing that. It is probably not a significant error. |
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| 17:30.10 | pask | HTT-Bird, Intel(R) Core(TM)2CPU 6400 @ 2.13 GHz |
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| 17:30.14 | HTT-Bird | pask, weird |
| 17:30.27 | HTT-Bird | sounds like a wacky APIC/other HW issue |
| 17:30.36 | jhutchins_lt | pask: I can throw out wild guesses like it could be a problem with the framebuffer, but they wouldn't mean much. |
| 17:30.44 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: look at my crap interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/f52d61e2c |
| 17:30.44 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, you have a messy and complicated network topology |
| 17:30.57 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: hm... |
| 17:31.05 | HTT-Bird | holy cow m8 |
| 17:31.17 | SparFux | LOL :-D |
| 17:31.18 | HTT-Bird | p.s. ppp0 = dialup right? |
| 17:31.18 | pask | jhutchins_lt, i see.. is there anyway that i can help you by giving you infos about my hardware system ? |
| 17:31.25 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: yes, DSL |
| 17:31.57 | jhutchins_lt | pask: No, since I don't have similar hardware to compare it with. More detail about the tasks you are trying to accomplish and exactly how and where they fail might help. |
| 17:32.15 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: is there a better way to hotplug pppoe and having a router to the internet? |
| 17:32.37 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, I take it your router is not capable of handling PPPoE on its own? :O |
| 17:32.50 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: I have multiple networks configured. Perhaps I really should kill them. |
| 17:33.13 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, yeah, simplify the topology: make it DSL modem -> wireless router -> everything else |
| 17:33.28 | HTT-Bird | and let the wireless router take care of all the fiddly PPPoE details |
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| 17:33.45 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: I use this machine at two places, one has a router which does routing to the net (internet-rike) and one has dsl modem (internet-home) |
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| 17:34.12 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, get a router for home :) that'd help tremendously |
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| 17:34.23 | HTT-Bird | keep in mind that NAT boxen are excellent natural firewalls |
| 17:34.29 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: it should be possible to configure this guessnet thingy, shouldn't it :-) |
| 17:34.52 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: hm... |
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| 17:35.11 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: why not hotplug the shit? |
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| 17:35.36 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, because the router will make life a ton easier |
| 17:35.47 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: so you suggest having a router to the internet as opposed to have direct connection via ppoe? |
| 17:35.53 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, yeah |
| 17:36.09 | pask | jhutchins_lt, by typing lspci i get the following things: http://nopaste.gamedev.pl/?id=5384 |
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| 17:36.42 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: THis router with WLAN has 4 LAN sockets and 1 WAN socket. The WAN socket should go to the DSL modem , right? |
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| 17:37.05 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, right :) |
| 17:37.09 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: but then I will not be able to fully use linux' delicious traffic shaping capabilities. |
| 17:37.30 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, if you want to have it both ways, try a WRT54GL with custom firmware |
| 17:37.36 | SparFux | Every machine on one of the router's LAN port will suck up bandwidth. I use HFSC shaping which rocks everything. |
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| 17:37.58 | HTT-Bird | (think of it as a little Linux box :) |
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| 17:38.21 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: hm... this means I have to buy stuff. :-) |
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| 17:39.37 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: Well, I will take that into account. But so far I like the idea of having hot pluggable network cards, detecting underlying network topology and configuring direct internet pppoe or router gateway automatically, based on what's plugged in. |
| 17:40.00 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, you might want to look into wicd or NetworkManager |
| 17:40.06 | SparFux | Linux should be able to handle that. |
| 17:40.07 | HTT-Bird | becuase laptop users often have similar issues |
| 17:40.12 | HTT-Bird | yeah |
| 17:40.17 | HTT-Bird | I have wired vs. wireless on this box |
| 17:40.35 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: Yeah, I intentionally decided to use Debian's ifupdown instead of network-manager or the like. |
| 17:40.47 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, well, can't help you then |
| 17:40.54 | HTT-Bird | remember that ifupdown isn't the only thing going on |
| 17:41.00 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: Yes, anyway, thanks for the hints so far :-) |
| 17:41.08 | HTT-Bird | you have dhcp (if present) and your supplicant for WLAN stuff (if needed) |
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| 17:41.33 | HTT-Bird | can use ifupdown and dhclient to bring Ethernet up by hand on this box, but wireless? forgetaboutit |
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| 17:42.37 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: well, I just want to access the configuration page of this router. The route is there and the interface eth1 is setup. I don't see why I can't ping the router. |
| 17:43.08 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, alright |
| 17:43.11 | SparFux | :-D |
| 17:43.20 | SparFux | I'd like to understand this. |
| 17:43.29 | HTT-Bird | make sure the router's turned on and plugged in, and make sure that you are connected to the LAN side of the router |
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| 17:44.09 | pask | HTT-Bird, maybe i found a cure for it.. http://pygospa.wordpress.com/2009/10/26/no-irq-handler_aka_problems-with-my-pcie-port/ <<< this person had my same problem, and he solved it by changing the kernel option from; PCI access mode (Any) ---> to: PCI access mode (Direct) ---> (now the question is.. how do i do that ?) |
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| 17:44.23 | pask | jhutchins_lt, did you see |
| 17:44.41 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: I am. |
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| 17:44.57 | HTT-Bird | pask, sounds like he was building a custom kernel |
| 17:45.25 | SparFux | hm... have to check this later on. thx for the help. have to go, good bye. |
| 17:45.29 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, good. now just let eth1 pull an address from DHCP |
| 17:45.33 | HTT-Bird | o/ SparFux |
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| 17:46.35 | pask | HTT-Bird, i see |
| 17:47.03 | codrus | sometimes my cut n' paste (debian default highlight and double mouse-click type) stops working. how do i get it working again w/o rebooting? |
| 17:47.06 | SparFux | HTT-Bird: how to let itpull that address? |
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| 17:47.25 | HTT-Bird | SparFux, man 5 interfaces should give you all you need to know |
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| 17:48.52 | pask | i would very much appreciate some help, im new to linux and this is an awkward situation for me, because i have no idea of how to solve this irq problem |
| 17:49.19 | HTT-Bird | pask, you'll need to compile the kernel from source |
| 17:49.45 | HTT-Bird | and flip the option that that blog post mentioned |
| 17:49.53 | HTT-Bird | (don't worry too hard, kernel configuration's all menu driven, it's not half as painful as it sounds :) |
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| 17:50.36 | pask | HTT-Bird, i have to compile the kernel by myself ? i am a newbie |
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| 17:53.07 | mythomaniac | it's really amazing to see how many new programs have gotten into testing so far... i mean, i don't remember this many for lenny |
| 17:53.45 | HTT-Bird | pask, aptitude install build-essential |
| 17:54.12 | HTT-Bird | then apt-get build-dep <name of appropriate kernel package goes here> |
| 17:54.50 | HTT-Bird | then apt-get -b source <again, insert the name of appropriate kernel package> |
| 17:55.24 | HTT-Bird | and then you'll have .debs for your new kernel that you can just install with a dpkg -i |
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| 17:55.36 | reto` | pask: what debian do you have? |
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| 17:56.30 | pask | reto`, the latest lenny |
| 17:56.49 | reto` | pask: and you're new to linux? |
| 17:56.59 | pask | reto`, yes i am |
| 17:57.17 | reto` | pask: so what's your past experience? windows? |
| 17:57.55 | pask | reto`, yes, well time ago i used debian for a bit as well, but because of this error i gave it up, i didnt know how to solve it |
| 17:58.32 | abrotman | did you try lenny before also ? |
| 17:58.54 | pask | i tried testing as well |
| 17:59.03 | reto` | pask: did it work? |
| 17:59.14 | pask | reto`, still the same error |
| 17:59.34 | pask | reto`, i remember that i also tried changing the kernel, but it didn't help |
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| 18:01.01 | reto` | pask: have you tried any other distros? |
| 18:01.40 | pask | reto`, no i didn't |
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| 18:04.42 | reto` | pask: let me check on that error... what GUI do you prefer? |
| 18:05.17 | pask | reto`, gnome or kde, i'm using gnome right now, but i wouldn't mind using kde |
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| 18:06.41 | drizzd | I'm trying to file a bug report against a file in /lib/udev, but I'm having a hard tim trying to find where it's actually coming from. |
| 18:07.24 | HTT-Bird | drizzd, hmmm... I know the Debian Package Searcher has a feature for finding files in packages :) |
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| 18:08.05 | abrotman | drizzd: you tried with apt-file ? |
| 18:08.10 | drizzd | HTT-Bird: I know it's from the udev package. But I don't want to file a bug report against debian's udev package, because that's going to be ignored anyways. |
| 18:08.20 | abrotman | so what is the bug ? |
| 18:08.57 | drizzd | I need an extra entry in /lib/udev/rules.d/95-keymap.rules for my laptop model |
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| 18:09.42 | Nz17 | Hi guys, I just swapped out my old motherboard and I was hoping you guys could help me with some problems. |
| 18:09.49 | stew | drizzd: do you are trying to figure out what package to file a bug report against when you know the package with the problem with udev? |
| 18:09.58 | drizzd | I'm also trying to find udevinfo, apt-file tells me it's in udev, but dpkg -L udev tells me it's not. |
| 18:10.10 | drizzd | stew: I'm trying to find the upstream |
| 18:10.12 | \amethyst | drizzd: it's now 'udevadm info' |
| 18:10.46 | reto` | pask: hmm... not much to find about it... unless there is an expert who can clarify I would say it's hard to fix... you could try a bleeding edge distro to see if a new kernel fixes the issue... archlinux is great to learn linux... take the wiki as guideline |
| 18:10.47 | Nz17 | The snd-hda-intel audio driver is producing sound, but ALSA is not happy. It won't run alsamixer, etc., but complains. |
| 18:11.12 | Nz17 | "alsamixer: function snd_mixer_load failed: Invalid argument |
| 18:11.12 | Nz17 | " |
| 18:11.49 | \amethyst | drizzd: linux-hotplug@vger.kernel.org |
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| 18:12.16 | Nz17 | And running alsaconf gives: "/usr/sbin/alsactl: get_control:249: Cannot read control info '2,0,0,Front Playback Volume,0': Invalid argument" |
| 18:12.28 | cahoot | Nz17: no matter if alsamixer is run as root? |
| 18:12.34 | cahoot | (by root) |
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| 18:12.38 | Nz17 | cahoot: Yes, that's right. |
| 18:12.47 | careta | hello |
| 18:13.40 | Nz17 | So I have sound but no software volume control. |
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| 18:13.40 | reto` | pask: if you want something easier maybe you could try OpenSUSE or... well... Ubuntu 9.10 (if you want to stay on the .deb track) |
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| 18:15.17 | pask | reto`, alright |
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| 18:16.53 | setuid | I'm running 5.0.3 with a 2.6.26-2-amd64 kernel, but it doesn't support EFI (GPT) partitions. Is there a way I can get a newer kernel .deb from one of the unstable repos, and put it on here? |
| 18:17.07 | setuid | I'm building my own with make-kpkg now, but just wondering if there's a better way |
| 18:17.31 | abrotman | !tell setuid about bpo |
| 18:17.50 | \amethyst | odd |
| 18:18.04 | \amethyst | I thought Debian's kernel has supported GPT partitions since 2.6.8 |
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| 18:19.09 | setuid | Supporting GPT is one config option, but you have to enable the partitions also |
| 18:19.12 | MJD | My install of lenny supported GPT partitions. |
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| 18:19.18 | MJD | no custom kernel. |
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| 18:19.43 | pask | reto`, http://paste.debian.net/54458/ |
| 18:19.56 | pask | i am getting that when i type dmesg |
| 18:19.57 | setuid | syslog:Dec 19 12:19:52 aeus kernel: [355667.781883] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdb] Very big device. Trying to use READ CAPACITY(16). |
| 18:20.14 | setuid | No GPT support in 2.6.26-2-amd64 for > 2TB LUNs |
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| 18:20.26 | setuid | But this DOES work when using usb2, just not Firewire |
| 18:20.32 | setuid | it's just 1/2 the speed ;( |
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| 18:21.45 | setuid | abrotman, Looks like no newer kernels in backports either |
| 18:22.22 | Absolute0 | I can do iwconfig ... && dhclient to get my wifi working. Can I do this with some script at startup instead of using network-manager? |
| 18:22.22 | setuid | 2.6.26-2 seems to be the latest |
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| 18:22.22 | abrotman | setuid: yes, there is .. look again |
| 18:22.25 | setuid | apt-cache search kernel | grep 2.6.27 |
| 18:22.26 | setuid | Nada |
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| 18:22.31 | abrotman | you're doing it worng |
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| 18:23.02 | reto` | pask: what's coming before the the do_irq? |
| 18:23.25 | setuid | Absolute0, check /etc/network/intefaces |
| 18:23.28 | setuid | er, interfaces |
| 18:23.35 | \amethyst | setuid: 2.6.30 is in backports |
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| 18:24.10 | pask | reto`, this: [ 15.473573] EXT3-fs: mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. |
| 18:24.11 | pask | [ 16.226506] r8169: eth0: link up |
| 18:24.45 | Absolute0 | setuid: would that work with suspends? |
| 18:24.56 | Absolute0 | like network-manager does |
| 18:25.29 | setuid | gives linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-amd64 a try |
| 18:25.37 | reto` | pask: are you using amd64? |
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| 18:25.50 | pask | reto`, yes i am |
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| 18:26.37 | Sergio` | Anyone knows of a typing break program for s |
| 18:26.41 | Sergio` | console? |
| 18:26.51 | Absolute0 | where are gnomes 'default startup applications stored' ? |
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| 18:27.47 | setuid | Absolute0, gnome-session-properties |
| 18:27.58 | reto` | pask: it could be a driver issue |
| 18:28.07 | Absolute0 | setuid: i mean which file in ~ |
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| 18:28.22 | Absolute0 | that would work too :) I can copy and paste |
| 18:28.22 | setuid | Absolute0, Its in gconf, so use gconf-editor to edit it |
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| 18:28.31 | dutchfish | setuid, can you pastebin: grep "EFI" /boot/config-`uname -r` ? |
| 18:29.22 | Absolute0 | $ egrep -r 'pidgin' .gconf* |
| 18:29.24 | Absolute0 | $ |
| 18:29.25 | Absolute0 | :( |
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| 18:29.51 | setuid | Absolute0, use the editor, and it's not in .gconf |
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| 18:30.24 | reto` | pask: have you tried the 32bit version? |
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| 18:31.09 | pask | reto`, no i didn't |
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| 18:31.46 | gps23 | I have run command "echo </dev/null", now I am getting a visible ^C in gnome-terminal whenever I type control-C there. how can I correct that? |
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| 18:32.59 | Absolute0 | setuid: you know the node in gconfs file tree represents the startup apps? |
| 18:33.09 | reto` | pask: hmm... I found something... maybe it has something to do with the via graphics driver... you have via right? |
| 18:33.10 | patrikf | gps23: reset |
| 18:33.12 | gps23_ | I have run command "echo </dev/null", now I am getting a visible ^C in gnome-terminal whenever I type control-C there. how can I correct that? |
| 18:33.23 | gps23 | patrikf, i restarted my system |
| 18:33.32 | gps23 | patrikf, without any effect |
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| 18:33.43 | pask | reto`, mi graphic card is nvidia ge force 8600gt |
| 18:33.46 | patrikf | gps23: what? I meant the command, reset. |
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| 18:34.07 | pask | reto`, about the drivers, i do not know, i just installed debian few hours ago, i haven't installed any drivers |
| 18:34.14 | paradoxmonkey | >How can a create a raw image to be used with debootstrap? I also would like to install grub on the image. |
| 18:34.29 | gps23 | patrikf, first i tried reset, it didn't worked, then i closed gnome-terminal and opened another, it didn't worked and then restarted whole system, it didn't worked too |
| 18:34.44 | patrikf | gps23: do you still get your shells prompt? |
| 18:35.22 | gps23 | patrikf, yes, everything else is fine, echo "foobar" is working fine too, just Ctrl-C produces an annoying ^C |
| 18:35.31 | stew | paradoxmonkey: create a file full of zeros to hold the image with dd copying bytes from /dev/zero, then use mkfs to make a filesystem on it, then mount it somewhere with -o loop |
| 18:35.45 | gps23 | patrikf, there may be other ill-effects which i may not have discovered till now |
| 18:36.01 | reto` | pask: yeah, but debian will try to load the right drivers |
| 18:36.23 | reto` | pask: lsmod | grep ati |
| 18:36.47 | pask | reto`, cpufreq_conservative 11784 0 |
| 18:37.12 | paradoxmonkey | stew: using this approach will I be able to shrink the image, since I don't know how much space debian is gone take? |
| 18:37.35 | stew | paradoxmonkey: if you use a filesystem that allows shrinking |
| 18:38.07 | dutchfish | why not use a COW ? |
| 18:38.21 | reto` | pask: lsmod | grep video |
| 18:38.38 | pask | reto`, done |
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| 18:38.46 | pask | i don't get any output from that though |
| 18:38.56 | reto` | pask: hmm... |
| 18:39.02 | reto` | one sec |
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| 18:39.22 | reto` | ew... nvidia it was... not ati :) |
| 18:39.32 | gps23 | someone please tell me how can i correct echo |
| 18:39.41 | paradoxmonkey | stew: does ext2 support shrinking? As far as I understand I can only create a image of fixed size - and the image might be filled with empty unneeded space... |
| 18:39.43 | setuid | gps23, Your command produces no output here |
| 18:39.59 | stew | paradoxmonkey: yes, when unmounted, using resize2fs |
| 18:40.07 | gps23 | setuid, what? |
| 18:40.17 | setuid | gps23, echo </dev/null does nothing |
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| 18:40.45 | setuid | It is the equivalent of: echo "" |
| 18:40.46 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, you could consider qcow2 devices like qemu or qemu-kvm uses them |
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| 18:40.52 | stew | "echo </dev/null " should output a newline |
| 18:40.53 | gps23 | setuid, it didn't produced any output, but when i do Ctrl-C then it produce ^C |
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| 18:41.09 | sandman | Does Software RAID1 have error detection _and_ correction, or just error detection? |
| 18:41.32 | \amethyst | gps23: and when you do ctrl-c before doing that it doesn't produce ^C ? |
| 18:41.37 | setuid | gps23, There is no output, because the command returns. If you're seeing ^C in your shell, then your shell is the problem. The echo command has already completed and exited by that point. |
| 18:41.44 | xyan | gps23: thats the new bash version most likely that prints run "stty -ctlecho" and its gone again |
| 18:41.54 | xyan | prints ^C* |
| 18:42.00 | stew | i'm not sure how RAID1 error correction would work |
| 18:42.06 | sandman | Because I was thinking that if an error is detected, the system would first check the CRC. If it's bad, it would check the other drive. |
| 18:42.07 | gps23 | \amethyst, nope, it produced a silent newline |
| 18:42.18 | \amethyst | xyan: that will make it print a literal ascii 3 |
| 18:42.19 | sandman | If the CRC on the other drive checked out and was good, it would know by process of elimination what the correct data is. |
| 18:42.22 | sandman | Is this sorta how it works? |
| 18:42.28 | paradoxmonkey | dutchfish: but then I lose the universality of the raw .img format |
| 18:42.37 | stew | sandman: what CRC? |
| 18:42.37 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, yes |
| 18:42.39 | \amethyst | gps23: you mean when you press ctrl-c at the prompt? |
| 18:42.49 | gps23 | xyan, oh yes, stty -ctlecho corrected it |
| 18:42.50 | sandman | stew: I was under the impression there was disk-level CRC checking |
| 18:42.55 | gps23 | xyan, thanks |
| 18:42.57 | sandman | OR perhaps it was filesystem-level... I forget. |
| 18:42.58 | dutchfish | paradoxmonkey, but conversion is possible |
| 18:42.59 | gps23 | \amethyst, yes |
| 18:43.03 | \amethyst | aha |
| 18:43.10 | xyan | \amethyst: a literal 3? what? |
| 18:43.31 | \amethyst | xyan: nm, that doesn't happen at the prompt, only when you ctrl-c another program |
| 18:43.34 | gps23 | xyan, corrected only in the current terminal, in other terminal problem came again |
| 18:43.50 | xyan | gps23: .bashrc / .profile are your friends |
| 18:44.49 | gps23 | xyan, ah yes, i can write the stty command in them, but can you please explain what has changed, since earlier ^C was not showing up |
| 18:45.00 | paradoxmonkey | stew: so I can check how much space the mounted loop image takes and then unmount and resize? |
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| 18:45.09 | xyan | gps23: read up the changelog please |
| 18:45.13 | \amethyst | gps23: this is a change between bash 3 and bash 4 |
| 18:45.27 | stew | paradoxmonkey: yes |
| 18:45.37 | gps23 | \amethyst, i didn't updated my bash in between |
| 18:45.42 | \amethyst | hm |
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| 18:46.03 | paradoxmonkey | thanks for the help |
| 18:46.31 | gps23 | \amethyst, , its same bash, earlier ^C was not showing, but when i did echo</dev/null, ^C started showing and now i need to enter a command permanently in a file to correct that problem |
| 18:46.53 | \amethyst | gps23: something else changed, then |
| 18:47.04 | gps23 | \amethyst, yes |
| 18:47.06 | \amethyst | gps23: the echo </dev/null wouldn't do it, especially not in other terminals |
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| 18:47.31 | \amethyst | gps23: what version of bash do you have? |
| 18:47.43 | paradoxmonkey | What do I need to auto mount usb/esata drives without changing fstab for every device? udev, autofs? |
| 18:47.46 | gps23 | GNU bash, version 4.0.33(1)-release |
| 18:47.55 | \amethyst | gps23: bash 4 has always done that for me |
| 18:48.01 | \amethyst | gps23: and bash 3 did not |
| 18:48.05 | reto` | pask: maybe you can try installing another nvidia driver... see here: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 18:48.10 | gps23 | this is the whole command i entered "echo < /dev/null > /dev/tty1" |
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| 18:48.25 | gps23 | i was trying to put a newline to tty1 |
| 18:48.54 | reto` | pask: if you're lucky it's related to the gfx driver... then you could try the 32bit debian and if that's not working either... another distro like I said |
| 18:49.20 | gps23 | \amethyst, your bash always shows ^C? |
| 18:49.24 | \amethyst | gps23: yes |
| 18:49.32 | \amethyst | gps23: unless I stty -ctlecho |
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| 18:51.33 | gps23 | \amethyst, first i thought that my echo got corrupted, but now i realize that its not possible |
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| 18:53.38 | setuid | Ok, 2.6.30 works but 2.6.26-2 does not (for GPT partitions of 8TB or larger) |
| 18:54.13 | setuid | /dev/sdb1 8.0T 1.2T 6.9T 15% /usr/local/array |
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| 18:56.11 | \amethyst | gps23: it is a change in readline, specifically the function rl_echo_signal_char |
| 18:56.18 | rooisto47 | hi all |
| 18:56.30 | rooisto47 | is there a #debian-testing room ? |
| 18:56.36 | \amethyst | gps23: the change was made sometime between bash 4.0-alpha and bash 4.0 |
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| 18:57.17 | gps23 | \amethyst, what you searched in changelog? |
| 18:57.40 | \amethyst | gps23: yes, in CWRU/changelog in the bash sources |
| 18:57.48 | \amethyst | gps23: - set _rl_echoctl if ECHOCTL tty flag is set |
| 18:58.03 | \amethyst | gps23: then I looked at how _rl_echoctl is used in the source, which lead to that function |
| 18:58.09 | \amethyst | s/lead/led/ |
| 18:58.43 | \amethyst | gps23: so the only things that should have changed the behaviour are: 1. a bash upgrade 2. ctlecho was off before and somehow it got turned on |
| 18:59.05 | \amethyst | gps23: 2. could theoretically be the result of a gnome-terminal upgrade |
| 18:59.07 | gps23 | \amethyst, actually i am on an ubuntu system, may be ubuntu guys compile bash after turning off the _rl_echoctl flag |
| 18:59.30 | rooisto47 | any one knows when the testing-build will take place ? |
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| 18:59.58 | \amethyst | gps23: _rl_echoctl is set during readline's initialization, based on the stty settings |
| 19:00.00 | gps23 | \amethyst, but i am still doubtful the ^C was showing off earlier in your system, may be you did echo </dev/null before checking |
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| 19:01.17 | gps23 | \amethyst, nothing was updated, everything happened in 30 secs, everything was right, i ran the wrong command and then i noticed ^Cs |
| 19:01.54 | \amethyst | gps23: while I can't guarantee that I have never run that command, I am quite certain that echo </dev/null wouldn't change the behaviour... echo doesn't change the stty settings |
| 19:02.05 | \amethyst | gps23: you might try #bash |
| 19:02.32 | gps23 | \amethyst, yes i understand that, echo can't change with a wrong command, also i am not root so can't do modification to system settings |
| 19:02.35 | \amethyst | gps23: I have both bash 3.2 and 4 here.... 4 always displays ^C, 3 never does |
| 19:02.42 | abrotman | rooisto47: use the netinst |
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| 19:03.48 | rooisto47 | no want download the 3 first dvd-iso of testing to make a locale repository |
| 19:03.53 | rooisto47 | abrotman: |
| 19:04.18 | setuid | rooisto47, You'll need 2-3TB to make a local Debian repository |
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| 19:04.55 | rooisto47 | setuid: not as that I mean just for my personal use |
| 19:05.01 | rooisto47 | setuid: |
| 19:05.04 | setuid | rooisto47, Just use squid |
| 19:05.11 | setuid | have it cache fetched .debs |
| 19:05.29 | setuid | Question: Shouldn't FW800 be pretty comparable to SATA speeds? 2/3 of the speed at least? |
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| 19:06.02 | abrotman | rooisto47: use the netinst |
| 19:06.05 | setuid | I'm seeing fw800 at about 8.28% of the speed of my native SATA drives |
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| 19:07.07 | rooisto47 | abrotman: ok thanks no information "when they'll release the testing iso-dvd ? |
| 19:07.29 | abrotman | they won't .. |
| 19:07.32 | abrotman | just use the freaking netinst |
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| 19:07.59 | rooisto47 | "they won't" ?!! |
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| 19:09.41 | rooisto47 | ok thank you for the help, byr |
| 19:09.44 | rooisto47 | bye |
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| 19:15.02 | gps23 | \amethyst, #bash is very silent, anyways, i will use stty -ctlecho till i find some other solution. thanks for your help :) |
| 19:15.08 | gps23 | thanks everyone |
| 19:15.10 | gps23 | bye |
| 19:16.03 | codingrobot | when using kernel >=2.6.32 i noticed that after booting debian switches from tty1 to tty6 to display the boot messages after switching to init 2. is this a known behavior? |
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| 19:17.19 | TECNOPATA | //join #debian-mx |
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| 19:17.45 | TECNOPATA | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.29 | TECNOPATA | #help |
| 19:18.42 | abrotman | /join #debian-es |
| 19:18.43 | reto` | hmm |
| 19:19.00 | TECNOPATA | ty |
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| 19:19.28 | BlueG | I am trying to install Debian on a really old machine and it has gotten through the initial netinstall, but when it boots up, ifup eth0 gives "SIOCSIFFLAGS: device or resource busy". What could cause this problem? |
| 19:19.41 | setuid | BlueG, ifconfig -a |
| 19:19.45 | setuid | what do you see for interfaces? |
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| 19:21.36 | BlueG | setuid: lo and eth0. I can also see that the driver I believe to be correct (pretty sure it is the same one that I loaded during the initial install) is loaded, smc_ultra |
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| 19:25.06 | BlueG | what does the error actually mean? |
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| 19:27.04 | reto` | BlueG: what do you see in dmesg |
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| 19:28.50 | setuid | Is there a way to improve the read performance (i.e. trees) of an existing ext3 filesystem with a few billion files on it? |
| 19:29.08 | jhutchins_lt | BlueG: Most likely you have an IRQ conflict due to imprefect plug-and-play IRQ assignments in the BIOS. You may be able to change the plug-and-play setting, or there may be a setting regarding Windows95 or newer". |
| 19:29.16 | paradoxmonkey | running dd I get "memory exhausted" even though I have free memory |
| 19:29.55 | paradoxmonkey | something wrong with this command: dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/kacper/neo/myimage.img bs=1G count=1 ? |
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| 19:30.13 | setuid | paradoxmonkey, bs=1M count=1000 |
| 19:30.15 | setuid | try that |
| 19:30.43 | drizzd | \amethyst: I couldn't a code base for upstream, so I reported to debian after all. Thanks for pointers though. |
| 19:31.10 | paradoxmonkey | setuid: it worked :) what is the difference between bs and count? |
| 19:31.11 | BlueG | jhutchins_lt: wow... a real life IRQ conflict... I have heard of these, but thought they might just be a myth! But yes, there is a plug-and-play section in the BIOS config. |
| 19:31.23 | setuid | paradoxmonkey, bs is block size, count is how many blocks of that size |
| 19:32.11 | SuperMiguel | any of you guys using mac pros? |
| 19:33.13 | paradoxmonkey | setuid: bs * count = image size, using a 1G bs I need that much in memory? |
| 19:33.22 | setuid | Yes |
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| 19:36.40 | jhutchins_lt | paradoxmonkey: Block devices write one block at a time. |
| 19:37.13 | jhutchins_lt | paradoxmonkey: You're building the block in RAM, then writing it. |
| 19:37.37 | BlueG | reto`: smc-ultra.c: Presently autoprobing (not recommended) for a single card\nsmc-ultra.c:v2.02 2/3/98 Donald Becker (becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov)\neth%d: SMC Ultra at 0x300, 00:00:c0:5d:00:75, IRQ 5 memory 0xc8000-0xcbfff. |
| 19:39.18 | reto` | BlueG: no errors whatsoever? |
| 19:39.38 | reto` | maybe jhutchins_lt knows better... |
| 19:39.56 | jhutchins_lt | I'd just set PnP to "No" in the BIOS. |
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| 19:43.20 | BlueG | reto`: something about iomem ranges that couldn't be reserved? |
| 19:44.35 | reto` | maybe try what jhutchins_lt suggests and if that doesn't help pastebin dmesg |
| 19:44.50 | MrDusty | Hey guys, I have just setup my VPS server, running Debian Lenny, serving HTTPD (apache), SSH/SCP/SFTP, DNS (Bind), Mail (Postfix, Dovecot, AmaVis, Spamassasin), Subversion. I want a neat way to monitor all deamons for common faults, possibly email alerts/sms alerts. Also, I want an IDS of some shape or form. The problem is, this is a VPS so it is limited in resources. What IDS and monitoring system could I use that would best suit the situation... ? The |
| 19:45.09 | paradoxmonkey | I've mounted my raw image as loop1 and tried to use fdisk only to get this warning "WARNING: Re-reading the partition table failed with error 22: Invalid argument. |
| 19:45.11 | paradoxmonkey | The kernel still uses the old table. |
| 19:45.12 | paradoxmonkey | The new table will be used at the next reboot. |
| 19:45.14 | paradoxmonkey | Syncing disks." |
| 19:46.08 | paradoxmonkey | Should I care about this warning? |
| 19:46.09 | unop | PantheraK12 |
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| 19:48.39 | BlueG | jhutchins_lt: I don't see that option, but there is one to tell it that IRQ 5 is used by an ISA card, whereas it was previously regarded as free. |
| 19:49.29 | jhutchins_lt | Don't remember if this is the standard Net/Printer conflict or the Net/Sound conflict. |
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| 19:52.58 | BlueG | jhutchins_lt: well, that didn't work |
| 19:53.23 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. Same error? |
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| 19:54.15 | BlueG | yes |
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| 19:56.18 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, all three. Network, Sound, and LPT2 all tend to use IRQ5. Somehow you need to free it up. Probably don't need LPT2, disable that in the BIOS if you can. See if the net card and/or sound card have physically assigned IRQ's. |
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| 19:57.54 | nixot | Hi all |
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| 19:58.10 | nixot | How come that when I have KPowersave on, suspend to RAM doesn't work? |
| 19:58.36 | jhutchins_lt | Does it work when you have kpowersave off? |
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| 19:58.38 | nixot | It's really annoying because I need it on to monitor my battery, but when I have it on I can't close the lid of my laptop |
| 19:58.51 | nixot | Yes, it works when kpowersave is off |
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| 19:59.21 | setuid | Try another monitoring daemon |
| 19:59.38 | nixot | I tried "guidance power manager" but that doesn't even appear in the tray |
| 19:59.47 | jhutchins_lt | nixot: kpowersave doesn't like your chipset. |
| 19:59.50 | nixot | whenever I download any, they always come as source code |
| 19:59.59 | nixot | Isn't there a better program to use? |
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| 20:00.11 | nixot | Something on the testing repository or something? |
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| 20:05.08 | nixot | Anyone? |
| 20:05.10 | setuid | abrotman, Ugh, so now GPT works with my external array, but VMware Server 2.2 is incompatible with the 2.6.30 kernel. |
| 20:07.22 | raekism | Hi when I try to run VMWare Workstation on Debian Lenny it says I need comile stuff to run in kernel, then looks for Kernel Headers 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 20:07.31 | setuid | raekism, install those |
| 20:07.32 | raekism | Can anyone advise how to do this? |
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| 20:07.46 | azeem | raekism: sudo apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:07.49 | azeem | I think |
| 20:07.59 | setuid | linux-headers-2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 20:07.59 | setuid | and |
| 20:08.03 | raekism | Thanks, I will try it |
| 20:08.06 | setuid | linux-headers-2.6.26-2-all-amd64 |
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| 20:10.28 | raekism | I do that and get E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
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| 20:11.26 | setuid | Are you root? |
| 20:11.32 | raekism | yes |
| 20:11.40 | setuid | Is there another process using it? |
| 20:11.47 | raekism | cant tell |
| 20:11.53 | setuid | lsof | grep /var/lib/dpkg |
| 20:12.14 | abrotman | setuid: can |
| 20:12.21 | setuid | woot! Found a patch and fix for vmware server with 2.6.30... http://communities.vmware.com/message/1285430 |
| 20:12.22 | abrotman | setuid: can't win 'em all ? |
| 20:12.47 | setuid | I'm stubborn... I was either going to patch it myself, or find one ;) |
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| 20:13.00 | raekism | Ran that command and it is just hanging |
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| 20:13.29 | setuid | raekism, It's probably polling, give it a minute |
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| 20:14.44 | raekism | synaptic is using it twice |
| 20:14.53 | setuid | So terminate those processes |
| 20:15.19 | raekism | I just did |
| 20:15.51 | setuid | abrotman, Other than 'find . -type f | wc -l |
| 20:15.53 | setuid | gak |
| 20:16.04 | setuid | abrotman, Other than 'find . -type f | wc -l', is there another way to query the number of files on an existing fs? |
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| 20:16.34 | raekism | Worked thanks |
| 20:16.41 | raekism | looks like it is installing |
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| 20:22.42 | e7th04sh | to start learning opengl, i ought to download these pckages: freeglut3[-dev] and libglut3[-dev] right? |
| 20:22.42 | setuid | e7th04sh, and this one: http://glprogramming.com/red/ |
| 20:22.57 | e7th04sh | is _this one_ available for offline use?> |
| 20:23.26 | joeytwiddle | setuid: df -i will list the inodes used, which i think is somehow related to the number of files |
| 20:23.51 | setuid | joeytwiddle, There's no way to correlate the # of files with # of inodes |
| 20:24.03 | setuid | If I have inodes of 4k in size, how many files can fit in a 4k inode? |
| 20:24.11 | setuid | could be 1, could be 0, could be 100. |
| 20:24.22 | setuid | /dev/sdb1 33554432 7591525 25962907 23% /usr/local/array |
| 20:24.24 | joeytwiddle | ah |
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| 20:27.05 | paradoxmonkey | I'm trying to install grub into my raw image but I can't get it to work. I used this: grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/myimage /dev/loop1 |
| 20:27.18 | paradoxmonkey | and got grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/loop1. Check your device.map. |
| 20:27.38 | paradoxmonkey | How do I install grub on my raw image? |
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| 20:28.24 | gorp | paradoxmonkey, using kvm and booting from an install cdrom ? |
| 20:29.04 | paradoxmonkey | gorp: is there no easier way? |
| 20:29.32 | HackeMate | is there a way to dissable features in a nvidia graphic card? |
| 20:29.49 | HackeMate | i get many crashes sometimes |
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| 20:30.54 | paradoxmonkey | gorp: I mean I'm already in debian why should I boot with a install cd? the raw image is mounted as /dev/loop1 with is then mounted as /mnt/myimage |
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| 20:32.59 | gorp | paradoxmonkey, you mean you have bind re-mounted your image ? |
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| 20:33.47 | Jorophose | has anyone been able to dual-boot lenny and windows 7, when 7 has that 100MB partition thing? |
| 20:33.54 | setuid | When are we supposed to get this snow I keep hearing all about? I'm in CT on the shoreline, and I don't see a lick of it. |
| 20:34.08 | purpleoptic | snowing here in the UK |
| 20:34.19 | abrotman | Jorophose: i have squeeze and win7 |
| 20:34.29 | Jorophose | abrotman: but was windows 7 installed in a single partition? |
| 20:34.39 | abrotman | it wasn't ... i abused it .. it is now |
| 20:34.51 | paradoxmonkey | gorp: yes using: losetup /dev/loop1 /home/kacper/neo/myimage.img |
| 20:34.57 | Jorophose | hmm. how did you "abuse it"? |
| 20:35.01 | abrotman | Jorophose: i removed the first boot partition .. installed grub2 .. win7 boots fine |
| 20:35.09 | Jorophose | o.o really? |
| 20:35.21 | abrotman | Jorophose: make sure oyu have a backup of data |
| 20:35.24 | Jorophose | can I do it with GRUB1, or does it have to be grub2? |
| 20:35.25 | abrotman | or recovery disks |
| 20:35.36 | abrotman | i didn't try with grub1 |
| 20:36.08 | gorp | paradoxmonkey, I think grub-install try to convert /dev/loop1 to a grub device such as (hd0,1) to call grub-setup |
| 20:36.15 | Jorophose | how can I install grub2? is there like an automagic grub2 installing disc? |
| 20:36.30 | gorp | but it can't do such things |
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| 20:37.02 | gorp | paradoxmonkey, you have to copy grub files by hand, and call grub-setup by hands instead of grub-install |
| 20:37.43 | setuid | Hrm, how do I query what parameters/options an existing filesystem has? i.e. what journal options, flags, acls, etc.? |
| 20:37.57 | paradoxmonkey | gorp: so I copy the grub files and then run grub-setup to install to the mbr of the raw image? |
| 20:38.04 | rgr | grub-setup ? |
| 20:38.09 | setuid | doh, tune2fs -l |
| 20:38.49 | BlueG | jhutchins_lt: Actually, the jumper on the card was set to allow the software driver set the IRQ, but I switched it to force IRQ 10 and it seems to be working now. |
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| 20:39.51 | jhutchins_lt | Yay! Like so much other old stuff, it is vaguely rewarding to figure out how to fix these things, but in the long run it's good to be rid of them. |
| 20:39.54 | gorp | paradoxmonkey, yeah something like grub-setup -r /dev/loop1 (hd0,0) I think |
| 20:39.58 | CapitanFindus | anyone tried google chrome beta? |
| 20:40.04 | Jorophose | abrotman: is there any reason it wouldn't work with grub1? |
| 20:40.18 | HackeMate | CapitanFindus: it is fairly stable but no javascript support |
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| 20:40.54 | CapitanFindus | HackeMate:ok, thanks |
| 20:41.00 | gorp | Jorophose, grub1 was just working, so time is come to have problems with grub2, used by squeeze |
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| 20:41.30 | CapitanFindus | when will be javascript support available? |
| 20:41.43 | abrotman | Jorophose: i didn't try it .. no idea |
| 20:41.51 | HackeMate | i have never seen a website talking about it |
| 20:41.52 | gorp | bashscript are available |
| 20:42.00 | paradoxmonkey | gorp: how do I install grub-setup? I can't find it on my install |
| 20:42.09 | HackeMate | i hope they do quick |
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| 20:42.30 | CapitanFindus | will be included in the debian repositories? |
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| 20:43.26 | Jorophose | abrotman: so what can I use to install grub2? and has anyone tried to do it with that 100MB partition? |
| 20:43.32 | tensorpudding | the linux chrome beta has javascript support... |
| 20:43.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im reading on wikipedia that ext2 filesystem is the file system of choice for removable media because of lack of journaling. Does it still use file permissions and what is the max file size limit? |
| 20:44.37 | gorp | LinuxGuy2009, ext2 is ext3 without journaling |
| 20:44.44 | xingu | seems specious, all media is removable |
| 20:44.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok |
| 20:44.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | Thanks Ill just go with ext3 then. |
| 20:45.09 | tensorpudding | if you want your removable media to work everywhere, vfat might be better |
| 20:45.24 | abrotman | Jorophose: i only know about my own experience |
| 20:45.48 | Cain | Jorophose : just install win7 and lenny after without removing the 100mb partition it worked fine for me (on a toshiba satellite) |
| 20:46.09 | CapitanFindus | tensorpudding: do you know if chrome will be included in debian repositories? |
| 20:46.32 | tensorpudding | that i do not know for sure |
| 20:46.32 | LinuxGuy2009 | tensorpudding: Ive been using fat32 un my external 250GB MyPassport until today I hit the 4GB size limit with DVD iso images. vfat the same as fat/fat32? |
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| 20:46.39 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: why would you not want journaling on a removable device? |
| 20:46.43 | CapitanFindus | ok |
| 20:46.44 | setuid | LinuxGuy2009, Yes |
| 20:46.46 | tensorpudding | they do release a .deb though |
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| 20:47.02 | setuid | valdyn, You definitely do NOT want journaling on a flash device |
| 20:47.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | valdyn: Are you recomending ext2 on external drives? |
| 20:47.20 | valdyn | setuid: on certain flash devices |
| 20:47.26 | setuid | Not ever |
| 20:47.26 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: no |
| 20:47.29 | gorp | LinuxGuy2009, Choose xfs if you are scare about long fsck |
| 20:47.35 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: you should use ext3 |
| 20:47.38 | xingu | if you don't want journalling on a flash device, you don't want vfat either |
| 20:47.46 | Jorophose | Cain: lenny found 7, but GRUB for some reason was not installed properly |
| 20:47.49 | LinuxGuy2009 | valdyn: Ok well im on a USB WD MyPassport 250GB hdd. |
| 20:47.52 | MidnighToker | hi guys. im trying to find a guide to set up a router, but they all get me to use NAT, rather than just... routing. basically, I have a pptp vpn client connecting to the remote network, i now want the linux box to allow the rest of the local network to route to the remote (and vice versa) |
| 20:47.53 | setuid | ext3 with uuinit_bg and dir_index |
| 20:48.02 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: yea, i read that |
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| 20:48.09 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: the default debian ext3 settings are fine |
| 20:48.14 | Jorophose | (Cain: I have to head out now, if you're on for another hour or two I'd love to bug you more :P) |
| 20:48.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok |
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| 20:48.32 | abrotman | MidnighToker: did you try #networking ? |
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| 20:48.34 | setuid | journaling on removable drives is fine, but not on flash media (CF, SSD, usb keys, etc.) |
| 20:48.47 | MidnighToker | abrotman, no, didn't think about that -typ |
| 20:48.49 | MidnighToker | ty** |
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| 20:49.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | setuid: Well arent the max number of rewrites on those drives so high it wont make much dif anyways? |
| 20:49.33 | gorp | MidnighToker, there's nothing difficult with that, use fwbuilder |
| 20:49.34 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: depends on the actual flash device |
| 20:49.35 | setuid | LinuxGuy2009, On HDD, yes. On flash, no., |
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| 20:49.43 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: ssd are fine, checp flash is not |
| 20:49.45 | MidnighToker | gorp, no gui |
| 20:49.46 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: ssd are fine, cheap flash is not |
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| 20:49.49 | setuid | Don't trust wear-leveling values from the vendor |
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| 20:50.00 | syslq | Anyone using testdisk utility ? |
| 20:50.16 | valdyn | syslq: ask your real question |
| 20:50.41 | syslq | valdyn: how can I choose multiple folders to restore? |
| 20:50.50 | valdyn | syslq: dont ask *me* |
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| 20:51.12 | valdyn | !tell syslq -about ask |
| 20:51.13 | gorp | MidnighToker, install fwbuilder on a machine that havec X11, just use the generated script shell on your host |
| 20:51.40 | syslq | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.44 | MidnighToker | gorp, good point. but i would like pointing to some docs -lack of knowlage i a problem for me |
| 20:52.26 | gorp | MidnighToker, I'm only aware of a real good doc about routing and nat, but in french |
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| 20:52.37 | MidnighToker | gorp, :( |
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| 20:52.48 | LinuxGuy2009 | What file systems do you guys prefer on your flashdrives? Im currently just using fat32 on them myself. You use ext2 to kill journaling? |
| 20:53.01 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: no |
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| 20:53.14 | setuid | Depends what you're going to use the flash drive with |
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| 20:53.20 | setuid | WD Passport is not a flash drive |
| 20:53.21 | syslq | LinuxGuy2009: I just use ntfs, ntfs-3g also works fine |
| 20:53.23 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: journaling does not in itself kill your flash drive |
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| 20:53.29 | gorp | LinuxGuy2009, what is the problem about journaling ? you normally do not want to kill journaling |
| 20:53.47 | zub | well, one would expect more writes -> more wear (?) |
| 20:54.02 | zub | although I never saw this issue confirmed/denied :) |
| 20:54.05 | valdyn | LinuxGuy2009: and not having journaling doesnt mean you are treating the device in a way that it will last years |
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| 20:54.14 | BenceF | hey all |
| 20:54.17 | gorp | LinuxGuy2009, again XFS is more efficient when doing fcsk than ext3 |
| 20:54.37 | setuid | gorp, Not more efficient, just different. It has dynamic (vs. static) inode allocation |
| 20:54.38 | BenceF | im not a debian user . im on my brothers laptop |
| 20:54.44 | setuid | the lookup tables are hashed, not linear |
| 20:55.02 | setuid | LinuxGuy2009, http://www.linux.com/archive/feature/114295 |
| 20:55.07 | BenceF | where do you set up deamons to automatically start? |
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| 20:55.23 | setuid | BenceF, In /etc/init.d/ |
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| 20:55.31 | setuid | BenceF, Install 'bum' and use that |
| 20:55.44 | BenceF | thanks setuid |
| 20:55.44 | xingu | ubifs was designed from the ground up with NAND flash's quirks in mind |
| 20:55.54 | e7th04sh | i have ati radeon (9200, if i remember correctly) gpu, how do i know if i am making good use of it? |
| 20:56.01 | BenceF | init.d gonna be just fine |
| 20:56.13 | e7th04sh | by7 which i mean, how do i know id my debian knows it exists and exploits it |
| 20:57.12 | valdyn | e7th04sh: read /var/log/Xorg.0.log - that card should be ok by default |
| 20:57.58 | gorp | e7th04sh, see how runs openarena |
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| 20:58.34 | valdyn | nokia actually do use ubifs iirc |
| 20:58.38 | mcdermmn | is there a easy way to get the number of block groups in a partion without mounting it? |
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| 20:59.12 | e7th04sh | valdyn it says some stuff about radeon, however i can see some "failed" etc. |
| 20:59.34 | valdyn | e7th04sh: do you have any actual issues to fix? |
| 20:59.50 | valdyn | e7th04sh: i dont want to read the log for you when everything is ok, which it likely is |
| 20:59.53 | e7th04sh | valdyn no issues per se, only wandered if i can increae my gpu performance |
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| 21:00.12 | valdyn | e7th04sh: you probably cannot, "radeon" is the right driver |
| 21:00.22 | e7th04sh | mhm, thank you :) |
| 21:00.46 | xingu | as a next-nearest, udf turns out to be a good fit for flash. |
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| 21:02.03 | valdyn | e7th04sh: i think theres nothing you can tune as i did remove everything from my xorg.conf |
| 21:02.58 | e7th04sh | i wasn't really keen on tuning, i just thought that maybe i am working on some default drivers that do not support some 3d stuff |
| 21:03.01 | KnuckOne | you can /msg it |
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| 21:03.09 | KnuckOne | oops |
| 21:03.26 | e7th04sh | i just noticed big difference in performance between current debian lenny version of some game - egoboo - and version i compiled from their latest stable |
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| 21:03.58 | valdyn | e7th04sh: the radeon driver has been solid for 5 years |
| 21:04.04 | setuid | feels a "ricer" coming on |
| 21:04.10 | valdyn | e7th04sh: egoboo might actually get new features |
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| 21:04.31 | valdyn | e7th04sh: while that 3d card is ancient |
| 21:04.38 | e7th04sh | perhaps :) |
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| 21:04.58 | e7th04sh | i suppoose my pc is now at stage where i could increase performance dramatically by spending 100$ |
| 21:05.08 | e7th04sh | thank you for helpvaldyn |
| 21:05.52 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 21:06.05 | setuid | Doody |
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| 21:07.56 | illuminati | hi |
| 21:08.02 | illuminati | does anyonw know why suddenlty I can not see the connection LISTENING. If I do netstat -putan I only see ESTABLISHED conection but not LISTEN. It's very wirdo |
| 21:08.07 | illuminati | with netstat -lt I don't get any connection |
| 21:08.17 | setuid | netstat -an |
| 21:08.35 | BenceF | ok. so i should use update-rc right? |
| 21:08.57 | setuid | illuminati, Or netstat -l |
| 21:09.04 | valdyn | illuminati: netstat -putanl |
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| 21:09.41 | xingu | http://valhenson.livejournal.com/25228.html <-- on the subject of NAND flash and wear levelling... |
| 21:09.48 | illuminati | setuid: valdyn I just see the established |
| 21:09.59 | setuid | Then none are listening |
| 21:10.00 | setuid | Are you root? |
| 21:10.01 | valdyn | illuminati: you had no l in your command |
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| 21:10.16 | BenceF | ok it worked |
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| 21:10.19 | BenceF | bye |
| 21:10.21 | illuminati | yes i'm root and I have several services like ftp, ssh, apache |
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| 21:10.36 | setuid | netstat -l (that's an elllll) |
| 21:11.05 | illuminati | setuid: I see just unix socket with netstat -l |
| 21:11.16 | illuminati | but I can not see anything with netstat -lt |
| 21:11.57 | valdyn | illuminati: so nothing is listening |
| 21:12.13 | setuid | Or netstat is not querying all interfaces |
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| 21:12.36 | illuminati | setuid: I think is that |
| 21:12.49 | setuid | What does /etc/apache2/ports.conf say? |
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| 21:13.06 | MidnighToker | hey again guys. bit of a problem. just set up pptp-linux, everything working fine, vpn working fine, and then rebooted the computer. on startup its freezing at Loading Kernel Modules. |
| 21:13.12 | MidnighToker | any advice please? |
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| 21:13.36 | setuid | MidnighToker, Reboot to the working kernel you had before, and compare the modules it loads |
| 21:13.49 | aibo | hi, what's default contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 21:13.54 | MidnighToker | setuid, i only have the one kernel |
| 21:13.54 | hikenboot | can anyone tell me if there is a method of reducing memory usage during rsync, it seems the destination windows box is running out of memory |
| 21:14.01 | setuid | MidnighToker, oops :) |
| 21:14.12 | illuminati | NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 21:14.13 | illuminati | Listen |
| 21:14.14 | MidnighToker | setuid, indeed :S |
| 21:14.22 | setuid | hikenboot, Don't use -z to compress, and pass --bwlimit to trim the block sizes down |
| 21:14.50 | setuid | if you're passing less data (via bwlimit), you don't have to md4 checksum as much |
| 21:15.17 | hikenboot | setuid will that reduce the size of the files that can be synced I am backing up dvd's to the windows box so i can reformat my linux box |
| 21:15.21 | TheJoe | Hm - if /dev/sda2 is Debian's drive on Debian, if I was to install another Linux distro, would /dev/sda2 also be Debian on that distro? |
| 21:15.29 | illuminati | i'm goint to reboot, maybe I did somehting with stunnel |
| 21:15.32 | setuid | hikenboot, What rsync options are you passing? |
| 21:15.32 | illuminati | thanks you very much |
| 21:15.35 | MidnighToker | setuid, right, single user mode is my friend. urm, so how do i work out what module caused this? |
| 21:15.49 | setuid | hikenboot, I use rsync hundreds of times a day, so I'm very familiar with it (and the author was a former coworker of mine ;) |
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| 21:16.00 | setuid | MidnighToker, Check out the initramfs and see |
| 21:16.19 | MidnighToker | setuid, urm!? |
| 21:16.22 | hikenboot | sudo rsync -va /my-dvd/ /home/vmuser/Windows-Share/ |
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| 21:16.46 | setuid | valdyn, After all that, NOW he tells us he's using stunnel ;) |
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| 21:17.11 | setuid | hikenboot, rsync -avSP /my-dvd/. /home/vmuser/Windows-share/my-dvd/ |
| 21:17.11 | setuid | Try that |
| 21:17.15 | setuid | Note the dot |
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| 21:17.31 | MidnighToker | setuid, where do i find the list of modules the kernel is trying to load? /etc/modules only shows loop |
| 21:17.36 | hikenboot | ok thanks i will look up those options to understand whats going on first...! |
| 21:17.49 | valdyn | MidnighToker: theres no list |
| 21:18.04 | MidnighToker | its just autoloading? |
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| 21:18.21 | valdyn | MidnighToker: the kernel reads your pci ids and loads drivers that match |
| 21:18.26 | valdyn | MidnighToker: same for usb etc |
| 21:18.46 | MidnighToker | thats fine, but the hardware hasn't changed |
| 21:19.06 | MidnighToker | and hte kernel hasn't changed :S |
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| 21:19.33 | setuid | It's probably a missing module or module order |
| 21:19.44 | hikenboot | setuid does the dot cause it to sync individual subdirectories separately? |
| 21:19.49 | valdyn | MidnighToker: i doubt theres a direct link from pptp to your problem |
| 21:20.04 | setuid | hikenboot, No, it traverses into the dir first, and rsync's from that point |
| 21:20.13 | MidnighToker | setuid, can you enlighten me as to what you meant earlier, by checking the initramfs, please? |
| 21:20.59 | hikenboot | setuid the net effect causing it to use less memory? just want to understand, thanks again |
| 21:21.23 | setuid | hikenboot, What tool/diagnostics are you using to determine that you're runinng out of memory? |
| 21:21.33 | hikenboot | just its error messages |
| 21:21.40 | hikenboot | and google! |
| 21:21.40 | setuid | pastebin.com some of them |
| 21:21.53 | setuid | I think you're chasing red-herrings... possibly |
| 21:22.11 | setuid | I rsync terabytes of data from Windows and Linux/UNIX machines to my array (hanging off of a Linux machine), and never run into memory issues |
| 21:22.31 | setuid | hikenboot, http://blog.gnu-designs.com/snapshot-backups-of-everything-using-rsync-including-windows |
| 21:22.48 | valdyn | rsync gets memory problems on huge amounts of files |
| 21:22.52 | valdyn | err |
| 21:22.53 | valdyn | nm |
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| 21:23.05 | setuid | nah, it doesn't. |
| 21:23.13 | setuid | and a DVD wouldn't have millions of files on it |
| 21:23.18 | valdyn | true |
| 21:23.26 | setuid | It's probably somehting else |
| 21:23.32 | valdyn | ah |
| 21:23.40 | valdyn | rsync gets huge on huge numbers of hardlinks |
| 21:23.42 | valdyn | that was that |
| 21:23.44 | setuid | error messages will tell us everything ;) |
| 21:23.56 | setuid | true, because of O^n issues |
| 21:24.07 | hikenboot | http://pastebin.ca/1720752 <--this one over and over again |
| 21:24.09 | setuid | it's no different from an 'rm -rf' in a hardlink tree |
| 21:24.14 | valdyn | yea |
| 21:24.35 | HackeMate | i am using a geforce GTS250 ddr3, and i get many crashes in debian stable (just crash the game) may i need reinstall the testing driver or something like that? |
| 21:24.45 | MidnighToker | hrm, ok, well if not pptp then can someone suggest how to stop it loading... any modules? they have to exist somewhere if not be listed somewhere |
| 21:24.45 | HackeMate | i was trying to disable some features that i found but it still crash |
| 21:25.46 | setuid | hikenboot, swapon -s |
| 21:25.49 | setuid | What do you see? |
| 21:26.00 | setuid | and pastebin your ulimit -a in that shell session |
| 21:27.27 | hikenboot | http://pastebin.ca/1720758 |
| 21:28.30 | setuid | That all looks good, though you might want to tune back "max user processes"... |
| 21:28.35 | setuid | But that's not affecting your issues |
| 21:28.39 | setuid | what about swap? |
| 21:28.47 | setuid | er, n/m, it's at the top of your paste |
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| 21:29.04 | setuid | a 20-gigabyte swap partition? |
| 21:29.20 | hikenboot | yes...i know its not needed |
| 21:29.22 | setuid | past the output of 'free -m' and 'vmstat -n 1' for about 10 seconds |
| 21:29.52 | setuid | 20gigabyte swap is going to eat physical ram, as it maps the tables into physical ram to manage it... but that may be minor. Depends on how much physical RAM you have. |
| 21:29.54 | hikenboot | setuid, sorry am i supposed to rerun the sync during this? |
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| 21:30.07 | hikenboot | setuid i have 2 gig |
| 21:30.09 | setuid | No, just query the values and pastebin them |
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| 21:30.31 | setuid | 100 million files would take about 100M of memory (at 100 bytes of data per-file). |
| 21:30.38 | setuid | er, 1 million files I mean |
| 21:30.49 | setuid | So it's not rsync that is causing it, although rsync is _reporting_ it for you |
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| 21:31.51 | setuid | What are the ulimit/mem/swap on the receiving end?: |
| 21:32.09 | hikenboot | http://pastebin.ca/1720760 |
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| 21:32.16 | hikenboot | setuid, its a windows box! |
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| 21:32.49 | setuid | You're rsync'ing TO a Windows machine? |
| 21:32.58 | setuid | What version of rsync is listening over there? |
| 21:33.58 | setuid | And how much RAM is on that Windows machine? |
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| 21:34.41 | hikenboot | 2 gig of memory used on it, i just added a fix swap file of 4 gig, i am not running rsync on the windows box doing it thru the windows share sudo mount -t cifs //NON_ADMI-PC/MyStuff /home/<Theusername>/Windows-Share/ -o username=administrator,iocharset=utf8,file_mode=0777,dir_mode=0777 |
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| 21:35.08 | setuid | eww... |
| 21:35.40 | hikenboot | should i be running cygwin and rysnc client on the windows box? |
| 21:35.46 | setuid | Not necessarily |
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| 21:36.01 | hikenboot | good cause that looks real complicated! |
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| 21:36.18 | setuid | What does /proc/sys/vm/swappiness say? cat it. |
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| 21:36.54 | hikenboot | 60 |
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| 21:38.37 | setuid | That's pretty high with a 20 gigabyte swap |
| 21:39.02 | hikenboot | well i have 0 vm's running right now...I think ... |
| 21:39.29 | setuid | vm/swappiness has nothing to do with virtual machines |
| 21:39.39 | setuid | http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 |
| 21:39.46 | setuid | ^ that might help understand how to tune that |
| 21:39.50 | setuid | Try the rsync again |
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| 21:40.02 | setuid | You're not doing this over ssh, are you? |
| 21:40.13 | hikenboot | no its not needed in this instance |
| 21:40.18 | setuid | I mean, you're not using RSH_SSH=rsync, for example, or passing -e 'ssh -o' |
| 21:40.22 | setuid | ok |
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| 21:42.01 | xingu | is the rsync copying from the cifs mount, or to it? |
| 21:42.13 | hikenboot | maybe i should rerun with the added windows swap file...it seemed when i ran the free command it was using all its memory but no swap at all |
| 21:42.14 | setuid | In his original command, looks like "to" it |
| 21:42.28 | setuid | hikenboot, Your windows machine has no swap? |
| 21:42.43 | hikenboot | no its vista and vista allocates swap on the fly |
| 21:42.46 | setuid | Windows needs swap more than Linux, you should have at least 2x your physical RAM in swap on Windows |
| 21:42.48 | hikenboot | but i dont trust it |
| 21:42.54 | setuid | Yeah, don't let it do that |
| 21:42.55 | xingu | so it could easily be the block layer stealing memory with dirtied pages not yet committed |
| 21:43.03 | setuid | xingu, Yep |
| 21:43.36 | xingu | maybe try mounting sync - performance will suffer but it'd test that theory one way or the other. |
| 21:43.40 | hikenboot | according to microsoft vista "knows best" but I figured i would just set it anyways |
| 21:43.40 | setuid | What does /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches say? |
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| 21:44.04 | setuid | vista does not know best, especially with regard to CIFS mounts happening outside the system itself |
| 21:44.17 | hikenboot | 0 |
| 21:44.23 | setuid | Try setting /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches to 3 |
| 21:44.44 | setuid | And re-run the rsync with '-avSP --stats' as I suggested above. |
| 21:44.52 | setuid | Let's see what happens |
| 21:44.57 | xingu | the sync protocol will blitz cifs for throughput |
| 21:45.00 | hikenboot | echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ? |
| 21:45.10 | setuid | echo 3 |
| 21:45.12 | setuid | not 0 |
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| 21:45.15 | hikenboot | oops right sorry |
| 21:45.23 | xingu | cifs tends to become dominated by round-trip delay - it's a horrible, horrible protocol. |
| 21:45.28 | xingu | cifs2 is somewhat better |
| 21:45.38 | setuid | xingu, rsync only does a single round-trip though |
| 21:45.46 | xingu | s/sync protocol/rsync protocol/ |
| 21:46.28 | xingu | setuid: it's awful; under the bonnet you have an effective slightly-sub-64k write() length/ effective window size, and it'll block waiting for completions. |
| 21:47.15 | xingu | setuid: rsync will do the right thing and pound from mountpoint to mountpoint, the grossness is under the bonnet in terms of how those dirty blocks actually get to the peer |
| 21:47.27 | xingu | vanishes |
| 21:47.34 | hikenboot | boy did you guys co-invent linux or somthing I am getting info i have never heard anywhere else! |
| 21:47.42 | setuid | Yeah, that's why it's probably best to use rsync on the receiving end also |
| 21:47.48 | xingu | exactly |
| 21:47.51 | setuid | offload the local cache and memory pages from double-dipping |
| 21:47.54 | xingu | the rsync network protocol is pretty good |
| 21:48.01 | xingu | en-par with http |
| 21:48.09 | setuid | hikenboot, I've been using Linux for ~15 years, I'm a bit familiar with it. |
| 21:48.16 | setuid | using/developing/supporting, that is |
| 21:48.31 | xingu | linuxcounter claims '94 for me. :) |
| 21:48.48 | setuid | Tridge was a former coworker of mine, and I picked his (two-story) brain many times about rsync, samba, and all manner of other hacks |
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| 21:49.32 | crazy_pete | how do i control services in debian? I.e. what is the equivalent of the "chkconfig" command in debian, please? |
| 21:49.42 | setuid | crazy_pete, install bum |
| 21:50.28 | crazy_pete | i need a non graphical way of doing it |
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| 21:50.34 | crazy_pete | GUI == BAD :) |
| 21:50.34 | hikenboot | let me ask you another question i am running a wrt54g v2 linux open_wrt based cisco router and running two 100Mb ethernet cards how come i only get 6 Mb throuput? |
| 21:50.50 | hikenboot | shoulding it be like 25 |
| 21:50.53 | crazy_pete | seriously this is a server that is mostly controlled via remote access i don't want to bother with gui |
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| 21:50.56 | JPT | maybe your neighbours use wlan on a similar frequency, too |
| 21:51.03 | JPT | or your walls are too thick... |
| 21:51.06 | setuid | hikenboot, Because it's duplex... 6M in each direction + some overhead for compression and encryption |
| 21:51.11 | hikenboot | no its cat 5 |
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| 21:51.21 | setuid | Oh wait, not wifi... my bad. |
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| 21:51.25 | setuid | Check your NIC cards |
| 21:51.29 | setuid | mii-diag |
| 21:51.40 | hikenboot | both say they are running at 100Mb duplex |
| 21:51.51 | hikenboot | maybe a bad cable? |
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| 21:51.59 | crazy_pete | is there no utility etc that does it on debian? Is it normal to configure services on debian by hand? |
| 21:52.03 | setuid | check for jabbers and bad frames |
| 21:52.35 | crazy_pete | (I also want to learn the "proper, native debian" way to do this on debian, not have to install something, since i am sure i will be asked to do this on other debian servers as well |
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| 21:54.14 | setuid | checkservice? |
| 21:54.18 | setuid | checkservice - Checks the status of services on (remote) hosts |
| 21:55.42 | crazy_pete | ty i am looking to both configure and check services but that may do |
| 21:55.51 | setuid | I need a more efficient way to store a few trillion files on ext3. Sigh. |
| 21:56.23 | crazy_pete | (is the normal procedure on debian NOT to use a third party tool but to manipulate the contents of /etc/init.d and /etc/rc.d directly?) |
| 21:56.42 | setuid | update-rc |
| 21:56.44 | dkr | [a-z]/[a-z]/[a-z] |
| 21:56.54 | hikenboot | thanks a bunch setuid i will come back if it doesn't fix it but i suspect it will be a while |
| 21:56.56 | dkr | update-rc.d |
| 21:57.09 | crazy_pete | ty |
| 21:57.24 | setuid | hikenboot, ok... copying 4GB from mount to mount shouldn't take more than 30-40 minutes |
| 21:57.26 | crazy_pete | usually when i wanna store that much info, setuid i use an sql databse |
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| 21:58.00 | setuid | crazy_pete, it's all web, source code, mirrors... I mirror CPAN, Gutenberg, Cygwin, LDP, a few hundred OSS project source trees, etc. |
| 21:58.18 | setuid | No way to store that all in a DB, and the db would be a few terabytes in size anyway |
| 21:59.28 | hikenboot | setuid, sorry i must have miss spoke its 260 gig of dvd's i am backing up many just cdroms |
| 21:59.39 | crazy_pete | oh of course not , setuid, sorry i did not realise |
| 21:59.42 | setuid | hikenboot, ah, I thought it was one DVD |
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| 22:00.15 | hikenboot | no their all my cbt nuggets training dvd's ...cost me 10 grand |
| 22:00.37 | setuid | dd them to a .iso file, and rsync that instead |
| 22:01.02 | hikenboot | they are all in iso files! |
| 22:01.25 | hikenboot | 4 gigs the limit that mkisofs will make |
| 22:02.38 | brbrbr | wodim? |
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| 22:03.29 | setuid | dvd+rw-tools solves, that iirc. |
| 22:03.58 | setuid | And it's probably a fs limit, not mkisofs |
| 22:04.20 | setuid | I actually use mkisofs to make iso files for backup, then I gpg ascii-encode those files, and then compress them with p7zip (which makes them smaller than the original iso file itself) |
| 22:05.00 | setuid | I described that here on my blog: http://blog.gnu-designs.com/truecrypt-on-linux-with-xfs-and-ext2ext3-volumes |
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| 22:06.50 | hikenboot | setuid i noticed this error at the top rsync: failed to set times on "/home/vmuser/Windows-Share/.": Permission denied (13) |
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| 22:07.19 | hikenboot | i have full write permission , on the windows box do i need to give it system level permissions? |
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| 22:09.44 | beefcube | I cannot for the life of me, get http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/ia64/iso-cd/debian-503-ia64-netinst.iso to boot off CD or DVD on a new custom PC, is there something wrong with the iso? can someone else confirm? |
| 22:10.13 | beefcube | and yes, I have explicitly selected to boot the disk via BIOS |
| 22:11.21 | abrotman | you don't have itanium |
| 22:11.50 | beefcube | abrotman: AH |
| 22:11.53 | setuid | tee hee |
| 22:11.57 | beefcube | :P |
| 22:12.01 | setuid | You want amd64, not ia64 |
| 22:12.21 | beefcube | i associated intel i7 chip with ia64 |
| 22:12.27 | setuid | abrotman, How long have you been on #debian here? |
| 22:12.28 | beefcube | i'm guessing that's wrong |
| 22:12.33 | setuid | Were you here back in the Linpeople days? |
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| 22:13.39 | abrotman | the who ? |
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| 22:15.46 | beefcube | so I should use i386 for Intel Core i7? |
| 22:16.35 | Kazriko | beefcube, amd64... |
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| 22:16.45 | abrotman | beefcube: i386 or amd64 .. |
| 22:16.52 | beefcube | ok |
| 22:16.57 | Kazriko | ia64 is something completely different, i386 is the 32 bit version of amd64. |
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| 22:21.17 | TheJoe | Is there a driver for ext4 in Lenny? I need to mount an ext4 drive |
| 22:22.10 | abrotman | there is ext4_dev in the .26 and the full ext4 in the bpo .30 |
| 22:22.33 | TheJoe | abrotman: Alright thanks |
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| 22:24.16 | TheJoe | abrotman: Wait I must be doing this wrong - how is ext4_dev "used" |
| 22:24.51 | abrotman | i wouldn't |
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| 22:25.59 | TheJoe | abrotman: So there is no safe way to mount ext4 in lenny under .26? |
| 22:26.20 | TheJoe | Looks like I'm going to have to *guess* which kernel is on this drive then |
| 22:26.23 | abrotman | i wouldn't try .. |
| 22:26.53 | TheJoe | Don't suppose you know what the latest Arch release's default kernel is, do you? |
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| 22:27.36 | abrotman | #archlinux ? |
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| 22:28.03 | TheJoe | It was a long shot |
| 22:28.51 | daffidity | hi. I am migrating from stable> unstable. I did a sudo aptitude safe-upgrade (after changing to the right sources in sources.list) and it has been "resolving dependencies" for some 3h now. Is that mean to happen? |
| 22:29.01 | daffidity | sorry i meant stable> testing * |
| 22:29.36 | TheJoe | daffidity: Don't use testing |
| 22:29.56 | daffidity | TheJoe: too late now I've started it |
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| 22:30.08 | TheJoe | If it's still resolving, it's not too late |
| 22:30.15 | TheJoe | It shouldn't have installed any packages, should it? |
| 22:31.05 | daffidity | TheJoe: I don't know and I dont feel like risking a reboot until I am sure of what it has done |
| 22:31.21 | TheJoe | daffidity: Can you pastebin the complete output from when you ran the command? |
| 22:31.32 | daffidity | !paste |
| 22:31.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
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| 22:32.41 | daffidity | TheJoe: it looks something like that but goes on for pages http://paste.debian.net/54483/ |
| 22:33.04 | TheJoe | daffidity: Ah, so there's no way to tell if any packages have been installed |
| 22:33.19 | daffidity | TheJoe. Nope |
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| 22:41.27 | TheJoe | daffidity: Well I'm not much help from there then... sorry. I'm no expert |
| 22:41.30 | TheJoe | And I must shoot off now |
| 22:41.38 | TheJoe | Good luck |
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| 22:44.49 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, okay, so I have an issue I'm trying to work out. I have eaccelerator installed, but it broke because somewhere along the lines, php got updated from what eaccelerator was made for, php5-common (= 5.2.6-5) with 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4 |
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| 22:46.35 | seeker | i am trying to get a hd to be recognized off of my usb 1.1 how do i see it |
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| 22:48.19 | Psi-Jack | What is dfsg? |
| 22:48.44 | petemc | debian free software guidelines |
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| 22:49.23 | Psi-Jack | Okay. Then, how would I force php 5.2.6-6 and it's dependants to roll back from 5.2.6.dsfg.1-1+lenny4? |
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| 22:49.58 | seeker | how do i see a hd hanging off of a usb 1.1 |
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| 22:51.29 | cirwin | seeker: why can't you see it? |
| 22:52.11 | seeker | cirwin: i wish i knew. got the cable hooked to the usb port and open computer on desktop and do not see it |
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| 22:52.27 | seeker | i see my a drive and my dvd and my cd rom but no usb |
| 22:52.33 | cirwin | ok, it is possible that it does not automount it |
| 22:53.06 | seeker | cirwin: what steps do i need to take to mount it |
| 22:53.11 | cirwin | if you are in a terminal, can you see anything that looks promising in /dev/disk/by-id/ ? |
| 22:55.23 | Psi-Jack | Ahh, nevermind. I'm using the apt-source method of rebuilding php5-eaccelerator for the current php build. ;) |
| 22:55.28 | Psi-Jack | Better approach I think anyway. |
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| 22:57.22 | Psi-Jack | throws his hands in the air. |
| 22:57.50 | tensorpudding | catches them |
| 22:57.52 | Psi-Jack | I just effing compiled it and I get this: php5-eaccelerator depends on php5-common (= 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny3); however: Version of php5-common on system is 5.2.6.dfsg.1-1+lenny4. |
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| 23:07.07 | Psi-Jack | There we go. It was php5-dev that wasn't updated. |
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| 23:41.16 | pask | hi, i have just installed debian, but i am receiving a message into my terminal that says: [ 17.599824] do_IRQ: 0.91 No irq handler for vector |
| 23:41.16 | pask | .. |
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| 23:41.45 | dondelelcaro | that's just the kernel complaining about an unhandled interrupt; you can ignore it |
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| 23:41.58 | pask | dondelelcaro, it floods my terminal |
| 23:42.40 | dondelelcaro | !printk |
| 23:42.40 | dpkg | hmm... printk is see docs for sysctl and adjust /etc/sysctl.conf kernel.printk (3 4 1 7 or so). You can also use 'dmesg -n1' command. See linux/Documentation/sysctl/kernel.txt or man 5 proc /printk for meaning of the numbers (console_loglevel, default_message_loglevel, minimum_console_level, default_console_loglevel) |
| 23:42.47 | dondelelcaro | pask: see above then |
| 23:42.58 | pask | dondelelcaro, i am also receiving this after i type dmesg: [ 620.473760] hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read method instead. |
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| 23:46.18 | leOn | hello .. i'm starting to get cold sweats about an ext2 to ext3 fs conversion .. the partition was resized and everything looked just about normal, but now i can't seem to create the journal .. could someone spare a few moments, or point me to a better suited channel? |
| 23:47.05 | dondelelcaro | pask: I'm not sure about that message, but it looks like it's something to do with your disk controller; probably not a huge problem. |
| 23:47.21 | dondelelcaro | leOn: have you backed up your data? |
| 23:47.23 | pask | dondelelcaro, alright |
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| 23:47.36 | pask | thank you |
| 23:47.39 | dondelelcaro | np |
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| 23:48.18 | seeker | cigwin:i am finally back do not see anything that indicates usb |
| 23:48.25 | leOn | dondelelcaro: i have backups, but they're on tape, and i'd rather try to fix the thing instead of loosing another day to recover from tape |
| 23:48.57 | dondelelcaro | leOn: that's fine; I just wanted to make sure you have them before going farther. |
| 23:49.02 | leOn | man .. what a shitty weeked this is turning out to be... |
| 23:49.56 | seeker | cirwin:sorry for the misspelling |
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| 23:50.25 | leOn | dondelelcaro: basically i removed the journal so i ended up with an ext2 fs, then i used gparted to resize.. ext2 fs mounts fine and data is there but tune2fs barfs when i try to create the journal |
| 23:50.26 | dondelelcaro | leOn: anyway, what you need to do is unmount the filesystem, fsck it, then run tune2fs -j to enable the journal, and then you can mount it as ext3. |
| 23:50.40 | dondelelcaro | leOn: why did you remove the journal? |
| 23:50.50 | dondelelcaro | you can just resize the ext3 filesystem direcetly |
| 23:51.01 | cirwin | seeker: ok, I dunno then, sorry |
| 23:51.04 | dondelelcaro | (hell, you can even enlarge it while the filesystem is mounted) |
| 23:51.06 | leOn | i was under the impression that ext2resize wouldn't work with ext3 |
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| 23:51.18 | dondelelcaro | leOn: it works just fine |
| 23:51.31 | seeker | cirwin: so how do you mount something |
| 23:51.31 | dondelelcaro | (it even works better under ext3, because you don't need to unmount it) |
| 23:51.59 | leOn | dondelelcaro: problem is that it's a legacy system ... some old versions on it |
| 23:52.09 | leOn | kernel, fstools, etc |
| 23:52.10 | dondelelcaro | leOn: so? |
| 23:52.35 | cirwin | mount /dev/<blah> /empty/directory/ |
| 23:52.49 | dondelelcaro | leOn: uh.. what operating system is it running and which version? |
| 23:53.11 | leOn | dondelelcaro: that's the point ... it still has some sarge on it ... =P |
| 23:53.26 | seeker | cirwin: thanks |
| 23:53.32 | dondelelcaro | leOn: so upgrade it! |
| 23:53.43 | dondelelcaro | there's no reason to run sarge at this point in time at alll |
| 23:53.54 | leOn | dondelelcaro: not that easy .. |
| 23:54.13 | leOn | i'll fsck it and light up a candle |
| 23:54.15 | leOn | =) |
| 23:54.16 | leOn | brb |
| 23:54.28 | dondelelcaro | for starters, that machine doesn't have security support, has known security bugs, and is a problem waiting to happen |
| 23:54.41 | dondelelcaro | it's in your best interest to upgrade it immediately |
| 23:55.45 | leOn | dondelelcaro: i know that .. and i REALLY wish i could atm |
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| 23:56.20 | leOn | dondelelcaro: btw .. the online resize is only available on testing/sid, right? |
| 23:57.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | I just mounted all 5 DVD images and added them as repo source on offline machine. I just installed gdebi and it wont start I even tried "ALT+F2", "gksu gdebi". Am I missing something? |
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| 23:57.27 | jelly-home | leOn: no, it's an old feature |
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| 23:57.41 | dondelelcaro | leOn: well, it's your problem. It's available in stable, and probably even etch, though I can't remember. |
| 23:58.14 | LinuxGuy2009 | NM problem solved For a graphical version run gdebi-gtk |
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