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| 00:06.08 | aletorrado | hi, why aren't the weekly builds dvds available? |
| 00:06.30 | abrotman | use the netinst |
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| 00:08.16 | aletorrado | abrotman: i prefer using the dvds |
| 00:08.43 | zinx | aletorrado: then don't use weeklies |
| 00:08.44 | aletorrado | i don't have to wait to download all the packages while i install |
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| 00:09.01 | zinx | aletorrado: instead, you have to wait to download ever more packages before you install |
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| 00:09.06 | cast | you have to wait before you install :) |
| 00:09.06 | zinx | s/ever/even/ |
| 00:09.17 | abrotman | you stil don't have to wait to download while you intsall, you can do it after the initial install |
| 00:09.18 | DogBoy | lol |
| 00:09.34 | aletorrado | ..... |
| 00:09.53 | abrotman | if they're not there .. they're not there |
| 00:10.03 | aletorrado | oh great |
| 00:10.11 | abrotman | oh i know .. use the netinst |
| 00:10.20 | aletorrado | now if i wanna install it in several machines i have to download it several times |
| 00:10.27 | DogBoy | no |
| 00:10.29 | abrotman | or use approx |
| 00:10.37 | abrotman | or apt-proxy or apt-cacher .. |
| 00:11.02 | cast | pxeboot! |
| 00:11.15 | DogBoy | a greener approach too |
| 00:11.40 | cast | i have a feeling i install off usb now |
| 00:13.46 | aletorrado | what if i need to install it where i dont have internet? |
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| 00:14.15 | abrotman | then you won't be downloading DVD ISOs right ? |
| 00:14.25 | dvs | touche |
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| 00:14.31 | abrotman | aletorrado: i don't see why you're arguing .. they're not there and oyu can't do anything about it |
| 00:14.59 | aletorrado | for example, i have wifi with wpa2 and it's a pain in the ass to configure it |
| 00:15.02 | dondelelcaro | the reason why we don't build them is because they're a waste, and immediately out of date anyway |
| 00:15.06 | aletorrado | so touche las pelotas |
| 00:15.55 | abrotman | you'll have to configure it at some point .. |
| 00:16.26 | dvs | looks for the hole in the bucket |
| 00:16.51 | DogBoy | why install a weekly build on several machines? |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | because they'll all have to be updated via the internet! |
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| 00:17.15 | DogBoy | heh |
| 00:17.25 | aletorrado | DogBoy: because i prefer using recent versions of the packages |
| 00:17.37 | DogBoy | that's an answer but not really |
| 00:17.49 | DogBoy | I mean I knew that already, my question is why? |
| 00:17.55 | abrotman | aletorrado: so use the netinst, and get the most recent packages, instead of the ones from a week ago ... |
| 00:18.08 | aletorrado | abrotman: what a differencee |
| 00:18.15 | abrotman | you'd be surprised |
| 00:19.38 | abrotman | regardless .. they're still not there |
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| 00:21.44 | pask | dondelelcaro, how do i stop that msg of the irq when im not using the GUI terminal ? |
| 00:22.12 | pask | cause i tried with dmesg -nl when im on the normal shell but it doesn't let me do it |
| 00:22.32 | pask | and it keeps flodding me with the msg of no irq handler for vector, and i cannot edit any text files cause of that |
| 00:23.47 | pask | nonexistent:/home/pask# dmesg -nl |
| 00:23.47 | pask | klogctl: Invalid argument |
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| 00:29.10 | Texou | hi |
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| 00:30.03 | Texou | can someone tell me why when I retrieve mails on gmail via evolution or fetchmail, no error but "there's no message" whereas the inbox isn't empty |
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| 00:31.26 | jhutchins | Texou: Try using the fetchmail -a option. Gmail and fetchmail aren't agreeing on which mail is "new". Google is probably cheating. |
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| 00:31.50 | Texou | I try |
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| 00:32.24 | Texou | jhutchins: still not :( really strange |
| 00:34.08 | Texou | jhutchins: is there a specific option on gmail which could be set wrongly :) |
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| 00:36.12 | RichiH | i have a disk that is 41 hours old and smartctl tells me this: 195 Hardware_ECC_Recovered 0x001a 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 4073392 |
| 00:36.17 | RichiH | that seems to be a bit much? |
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| 00:38.49 | leOn | dondelelcaro: i might be in deep sh*t |
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| 00:41.15 | pask | dondelelcaro, did you read what i previously wrote ? |
| 00:41.20 | leOn | fsck complains about the filesystem size being different from the size of the device .. says either the superblock or the partition table is corrupt ... |
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| 00:46.41 | pask | dondelelcaro, ? |
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| 00:50.10 | pask | hi everyone, i just installed debian, but i'm receiving an error message whether i start the system, or open a terminal, that says: kernel:[ 415.898332] do_IRQ: 0.91 No irq handler for vector |
| 00:50.10 | pask | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:51.25 | cast | -n0 then? |
| 00:51.42 | pask | hm? |
| 00:52.08 | pask | does anyone know how can i fix this error by not reinstalling another distro? |
| 00:52.26 | cast | ahh my bad, 1 was no messages :) |
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| 00:55.22 | Argafal | wow. it scares me that i have to get software from UBUNTU since Debian doesn't offer the package anymore.. :-/ wonder why that is the case. |
| 00:55.46 | Argafal | usually I'd compile it myself but in this case the Ubuntu package seems to be fine. |
| 00:56.06 | tensorpudding | which package is that? |
| 00:56.10 | cast | welcome to unsupported land |
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| 00:58.34 | Argafal | tensorpudding: freetype-tools in whatever version. all i find in debian is "obsolete" but no reason. |
| 00:58.34 | pask | sorry but i had to restart quickly, did anyone respond me ? |
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| 00:58.38 | Argafal | what i need is ttf2pk. |
| 00:59.17 | Argafal | cast: well, usually debian fits my needs just perfectly and if it doesn't my needs are that specific that i'm happy to compile it myself. but in this case.... |
| 00:59.27 | jmarsden | pask: Try dmesg -n 1 # that is a number one, not a letter |
| 00:59.56 | pask | oh okay |
| 01:00.00 | pask | thank you |
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| 01:00.27 | jmarsden | pask: No problem.. BTW, next time read the man page for commands you use ... they explain what the options are... :) |
| 01:00.58 | pask | jmarsden, man page? |
| 01:01.01 | icebrain | Argafal: isn't ttf2pk in package texlive-binaries? http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=sid§ion=all&arch=any&searchon=contents&keywords=ttf2pk |
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| 01:01.06 | jmarsden | pask: man dmesg |
| 01:01.21 | icebrain | Argafal: ops, sorry, only in Sid |
| 01:01.21 | jmarsden | Tells you all about the dmesg command... |
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| 01:01.28 | pask | okay, btw its still giving me that msg |
| 01:01.31 | DarkSun | hi all |
| 01:01.42 | icebrain | DarkSun: hi |
| 01:02.21 | DarkSun | hi icebrain |
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| 01:02.39 | pask | hi DarkSun |
| 01:02.44 | dondelelcaro | pask: /msg dpkg printk; and follow those instructions. |
| 01:03.04 | DarkSun | i need help. i've irssi and debian sid. the beep doesn't work. is there a problem with new kernel? |
| 01:03.08 | DarkSun | hi pask :) |
| 01:03.26 | dondelelcaro | pask: for example, echo '0 0 0 0' > /proc/sys/kernel/printk will disable the messages entirely. |
| 01:04.00 | Argafal | icebrain: yep, it was there till the beginning of 2009. then it was removed from Debian. |
| 01:04.35 | icebrain | Argafal: but it's in Sid - maybe it has bugs? |
| 01:04.46 | pask | dondelelcaro, okay |
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| 01:06.36 | ioka | how do i upgrade to the latest release inside debian? |
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| 01:07.18 | jmarsden | !tell ioka about lenny->squeeze |
| 01:07.58 | Argafal | icebrain: well, there must be a reason but i can't find any discussion or reason anywhere. |
| 01:08.27 | icebrain | jmarsden: squeeze isn't the latest release! |
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| 01:09.05 | jmarsden | icebrain: sid is never released, by definition, so squeeze sure is the latest release |
| 01:09.25 | icebrain | jmarsden: no, squeeze is *testing*, it hasn't been released. Lenny is the latest |
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| 01:10.01 | jmarsden | OK... if you insist... |
| 01:10.01 | icebrain | "Squeeze is the codename for the _next_ release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0" |
| 01:10.03 | jmarsden | !etch->lenny |
| 01:11.01 | jmarsden | Hmmm. Looks like the etch->lenny factiod no longer works? |
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| 01:11.30 | icebrain | jmarsden: worked for me in a PM. let me try again |
| 01:11.33 | icebrain | !etch->lenny |
| 01:11.37 | markybob | it works just fine, unless you've abused the bot |
| 01:12.02 | jmarsden | markybob: So you are saying I have abused the bot? How can I verify or disprove this assertion? |
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| 01:12.19 | markybob | you cant |
| 01:12.25 | markybob | !etch->lenny |
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| 01:12.36 | icebrain | lol, it seems he can |
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| 01:12.49 | jmarsden | markybob: Looks like you have also similarly abused it, by your own definition :) |
| 01:12.51 | markybob | apparently it 's been devoiced |
| 01:12.59 | markybob | jmarsden, you can always /msg |
| 01:13.29 | DarkSun | anyone help me about irssi's beep? |
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| 01:14.05 | ioka | hmm i might as well jiz keep tis old mofo cruz it got torcs |
| 01:14.09 | jmarsden | DarkSun: Are you sure the issue is irssi's beep, or is it all shell beeps ? |
| 01:14.18 | ioka | thx anyhoo |
| 01:14.35 | markybob | first thing i ever do is rmmod pcspkr and then blacklist it :P |
| 01:14.46 | markybob | drives me nuts |
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| 01:15.00 | DarkSun | jmarsden: i use gnome-terminal and i've the click on "Terminal bell" |
| 01:15.22 | jmarsden | DarkSun: So do you hear terminal bells from inside that shell, or not? |
| 01:15.38 | DarkSun | jmarsden: if I run "beep" in gnome-terminal, it works |
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| 01:16.19 | pask | dondelelcaro, i used the command you told me, but it didnt change, i still get that msg |
| 01:16.33 | pask | everywhere |
| 01:18.05 | jmarsden | DarkSun: beep audio is not a normal terminal bell, I think. At a shell prompt (use ctrl-shift-T to open a new tab if you need one to test with), type backspace a few times... do you hear the beeps? |
| 01:18.54 | DarkSun | jmarsden: no |
| 01:19.32 | jmarsden | Ok, so then it is not irssi's beep you are having issues with, it is beeps in that terminal window. |
| 01:20.25 | DarkSun | uhm, ok. how can I fix this issue? |
| 01:21.35 | jmarsden | Well, I'm not 100% sure yet... but at least we are closer to understanding what the issue *is* than we were :) |
| 01:21.52 | jmarsden | setterm -blength 1000 # any help? I think that's for real text consoles though... |
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| 01:23.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | Is it possible to simulate a keystroke from the CLI for use in scripts etc? |
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| 01:24.11 | jmarsden | LinuxGuy2009: echo y |somescript # somescript will see the y on its standard input... is this what you mean? |
| 01:24.11 | DarkSun | jmarsden: sorry but i don't understand :D i'm italian |
| 01:24.35 | jmarsden | DarkSun: There is a command setterm -blength 1000 # Does that work for you? |
| 01:24.47 | jmarsden | Type it at a shell prompt.... |
| 01:25.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | jmarsden: Like if i want to trigger an app function that requires ALT+F3 to enable it. Is it possible to add a startup command in Preferences->Sessions startup apps? |
| 01:25.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | So i dont have to remeber to do it each time? |
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| 01:25.49 | DarkSun | jmarsden: if I run it, the output is the list of options |
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| 01:26.33 | jmarsden | DarkSun: Strange. On my system there is no output, it just accepts the command. |
| 01:27.02 | jmarsden | You cut and pasted the command from this IRC session, right? setterm -blength 1000 |
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| 01:27.55 | DarkSun | i run it from another shell. have I to run in this irc session? |
| 01:28.53 | jmarsden | LinuxGuy2009: That's not scripting, that's playing with X events, I think. |
| 01:29.16 | jmarsden | DarkSun: No, I just wanted to make sure your error was not caused by a typing mistake. |
| 01:29.27 | dondelelcaro | pask: what does cat /proc/sys/kernel/printk; say? |
| 01:29.38 | jmarsden | You should be able to cut and paste from this session into the other one. |
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| 01:30.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | jmarsden: Oh ok I just wondered. Im getting a bit too extravagant hehe. I'm really shocked at how much stability and reliability Debian has compared to Ubuntu. Im flipping loving it, big time! |
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| 01:30.52 | DarkSun | jmarsden: oh, yeah. i written -blenght instead of -blength. sorry |
| 01:31.22 | jmarsden | DarkSun: Now you know why I suggested cut and paste :) Anyway, when you spell it correctly, does it help? Do you now get bells? |
| 01:31.51 | pask | dondelelcaro, just 4 4 1 7 |
| 01:32.05 | DarkSun | jmarsden: you're right. btw, i don't get nothing |
| 01:32.40 | jmarsden | OK. What else can we try... does xkbbell # ring the bell for you? |
| 01:32.56 | dondelelcaro | pask: then you didn't run the command that I gave you properly |
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| 01:33.02 | DarkSun | damn. no, doesn't work |
| 01:33.10 | dondelelcaro | (or you didn't pay any attention to the error message that it gave out if you didn't run it as root) |
| 01:33.28 | pask | dondelelcaro, i can try again |
| 01:33.44 | jmarsden | DarkSun: OK... try xset b on # and then try to get bells to ring again |
| 01:33.47 | pask | dpkg, !printk |
| 01:33.47 | dpkg | pask: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 01:33.48 | dondelelcaro | pask: when you've done it properly, cat /proc/sys/kernel/printk will return 0 0 0 0 |
| 01:34.10 | pask | dondelelcaro, i rebooted after that though, maybe that's why? |
| 01:34.16 | dondelelcaro | pask: yes, that's why |
| 01:34.26 | DarkSun | jmarsden: nothing |
| 01:34.28 | dondelelcaro | pask: if you want it to be permanent, /msg dpkg sysctl |
| 01:34.56 | pask | dondelelcaro, <dpkg> i haven't a clue |
| 01:35.06 | jmarsden | DarkSun: Do you have other sounds working? Like playing an audio CD, or any other sound at all? |
| 01:35.18 | icebrain | !tell pask about printk |
| 01:36.03 | dondelelcaro | !sysctl |
| 01:36.03 | dpkg | sysctl.conf is a method of setting sysctl values (such as those found in /proc/sys) early on in boot using sysctl(8). See man 5 sysctl.conf for details |
| 01:36.05 | DarkSun | jmarsden: rhythmbox is on "pause". have i to quit it? |
| 01:36.09 | pask | thanks |
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| 01:36.27 | dondelelcaro | just added the sysctl factoid, since it was missing |
| 01:36.38 | jmarsden | DarkSun: I'm not sure. Try it and see if it helps. |
| 01:36.54 | DarkSun | jmarsden: no :( |
| 01:38.12 | jmarsden | DarkSun: It seems like something could be stopping the audio from your gnome-terminal session from actually getting to the speakers... but I can't tell what that issue is, I'm not a Debian audio expert at all. |
| 01:38.21 | pask | dondelelcaro, so i just have to change the parameters of /proc/sys/kernel/printk into 0 0 0 0, am i understanding ? |
| 01:38.50 | dondelelcaro | pask: yes |
| 01:39.20 | dondelelcaro | pask: there's even an example by default. You probably want something more like 3 4 1 3 or similar, but 0 0 0 0 will stop all of the messages. |
| 01:39.49 | pask | dondelelcaro, all of the IRQ handlers messages ? |
| 01:39.53 | jmarsden | DarkSun: One more test: does aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav generate some noise in your speakers? |
| 01:40.15 | DarkSun | jmarsden: yes |
| 01:41.14 | jmarsden | OK, so the sound system itself is fine... I'm not sure how else to check this out further. Maybe see if sound works better in a different terminal emulator (xterm or rxvt or whatever) instead of gnome-terminal, at least as a workaround ? |
| 01:41.36 | pask | dondelelcaro, ok now: cat /proc/sys/kernel/printk |
| 01:41.36 | pask | 0000 |
| 01:41.40 | DarkSun | jmarsden: try xterm |
| 01:41.46 | pask | but im still getting the IRQ handler messages :/ |
| 01:42.13 | pask | its a nightmare |
| 01:43.17 | DarkSun | jmarsden: doesn't work with xterm too |
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| 01:44.13 | jmarsden | DarkSun: OK... sorry, I don't know any more things to try to help you with this. |
| 01:44.34 | DarkSun | jmarsden: don't worry. thanks a lor for your suggestions |
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| 01:44.43 | jmarsden | DarkSun: You're welcome. |
| 01:45.05 | Dmos | i'm looking to know what was the last debian that used sh-2.05b, anyone can help me with that? |
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| 01:45.50 | DarkSun | jmarsden: the problem can be a missing module? |
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| 01:46.40 | deco | why doesn't the first cd come with a network manager ? |
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| 01:47.05 | jmarsden | DarkSun: I don't know... maybe. Or something is sending the bell sounds to a different sound device, or something like that? |
| 01:47.29 | DarkSun | jmarsden: maybe |
| 01:47.33 | pask | dondelelcaro, sorry if i am bothering, but i have just installed debian today and i end up with this error |
| 01:47.44 | Dmos | anyone? |
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| 01:52.22 | abrotman | Dmos: archive.debian.org |
| 01:54.03 | Dmos | abrotman: thanks, but how can i know what is the last sh-2.05b debian distro? |
| 01:54.23 | abrotman | you look at the Packages file .. |
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| 01:54.30 | abrotman | i assume you mean bash |
| 01:55.19 | Dmos | yes, |
| 01:55.25 | Dmos | ok thanks i'll try to find it |
| 01:55.41 | abrotman | so Debian 3.0 was Version: 2.05a-11 |
| 01:56.39 | Dmos | so i need like 3.1? |
| 01:57.03 | abrotman | and version 3.1 was 2.05b-26 |
| 01:57.11 | dondelelcaro | pask: if you've done that, then the message shouldn't be printed by the kernel to your console. |
| 01:58.13 | Dmos | abrotman: dude thanks a LOT! |
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| 01:59.56 | DarkSun | jmarsden: in tty console it works. |
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| 02:01.02 | jmarsden | DarkSun: OK, so it is probably something about how Gnome is managing sound from the terminal emulators. |
| 02:01.51 | DarkSun | jmarsden: yes |
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| 02:07.06 | pask | dondelelcaro, i did it, but i still get the error in the terminal |
| 02:07.24 | DarkSun | jmarsden: any idea? :( |
| 02:08.10 | pask | dondelelcaro, could this be why i get that error? http://paste.debian.net/54488/ |
| 02:08.56 | jmarsden | DarkSun: Not really. Can you test on a different machine and then compare the audio and gnome-terminal configurations on the two machines? |
| 02:09.09 | DarkSun | no |
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| 02:14.00 | jmarsden | DarkSun: Someone else reported what sounds like the same issue as http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=552105 |
| 02:15.10 | DarkSun | but anyone has asked |
| 02:15.22 | pask | dondelelcaro, ill stop for today, i've been looking this error up for half day, and i havent solved anything, its 3 am right now so ill go catch some sleep, thank you for your help |
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| 02:16.43 | DarkSun | jmarsden: but no one has replied |
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| 02:18.09 | jmarsden | DarkSun: Right. So either it is very rare, or noone knows how to troubleshoot it further, or both? You could add a note to that bug saying you have the issue too, and subscribe to the bug in case someone *does* add a fix to it there. |
| 02:21.41 | DarkSun | jmarsden: done, I think |
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| 02:27.12 | d1b | hi how does one show all packages installed from contrib? |
| 02:27.16 | gkffjcs_ | how do I allow remote x11 connections to my xserver? |
| 02:27.35 | d1b | gkffjcs_: are you using gdm? |
| 02:27.53 | gkffjcs_ | yes! |
| 02:28.37 | d1b | gkffjcs_: you can go to the login manager config in gnome and do it throught there (enable it) |
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| 02:29.23 | gkffjcs_ | oh, really? I didn't think it would be that easy... :-) |
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| 02:31.05 | d1b | gkffjcs_: not secure, but easy :P |
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| 02:35.11 | DarkSun | jmarsden: i'll go to sleep now. thanks a lot for your help. i hope that someone fixes the issue |
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| 02:37.39 | DarkSun | g'night |
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| 02:38.21 | gkffjcs_ | OK, I think I have that figured out, but now when I try to connect to it remotely I get "no protocal specified" I'm using this command to test the connection DISPLAY=192.168.1.105:0.0 before it would just say cannot open display. |
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| 02:38.57 | gkffjcs_ | that comand + xeyes... forgot that part. |
| 02:39.24 | gkffjcs_ | I just want to get them working over the network before I do anything more serious. |
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| 02:39.32 | Storm3yy | Hey |
| 02:39.37 | Storm3yy | Anyone used Debian on EC2? |
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| 02:42.39 | d1b | gkffjcs_: ssh -x ? |
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| 02:43.39 | gkffjcs_ | that's too slow, for what I'm trying to do.. but yes, I have tried, I've even changed to a faster encryption, it makes it a wee bit faster, but I'm hoping the native protocal will get the job done. |
| 02:44.44 | gkffjcs_ | Thanks for your help, I'll go ask the guys over at #xorg |
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| 03:14.27 | Alexandra | Hi everyone |
| 03:14.32 | cast | hi. |
| 03:14.46 | Alexandra | How can I automount an encypted partition without password |
| 03:14.53 | Alexandra | Ok, very provocative ;) |
| 03:15.17 | Alexandra | Well the idea is that I connect an encrypted usb-hd to a computer |
| 03:15.24 | cast | aha |
| 03:15.32 | beardy | Defeats the purpose or reason of it being encrypted. |
| 03:15.45 | cast | beardy: no, it doesn't |
| 03:15.54 | cast | beardy: the devil is in the details |
| 03:15.58 | newsense | use the usb thumd drive method |
| 03:15.58 | Alexandra | Based on his uuid the computer should decrypt the partition |
| 03:16.13 | Alexandra | The computer is safe, no one has access to it |
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| 03:16.33 | cast | uuid or uid? |
| 03:16.33 | Alexandra | It is just that the usb hd is carried around, so encryption is necessary |
| 03:16.41 | Alexandra | uuid |
| 03:16.53 | cast | so the drive is a he? |
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| 03:17.08 | abrotman | but there's no password for the encrypted volumne ? |
| 03:17.14 | abrotman | passphrase .. whatever |
| 03:17.20 | Alexandra | Hi abrotman, yes sure |
| 03:17.29 | Alexandra | But I don't want to enter it all the time |
| 03:17.35 | Alexandra | It should work automatic |
| 03:18.04 | Alexandra | Somewhere on the computer the is the password and need to be used to decrypt the hd |
| 03:18.05 | beardy | Alexandra: Depends what you use to automount other things. If it would support something like that. Otherwise maybe you'd have to solve it with a wrapper script, if something can be executed prior to mounting.. all depends. |
| 03:18.34 | Alexandra | Hi beardy |
| 03:18.35 | cast | personally i don't bother with automounting, typing an alias isn't that hard |
| 03:18.39 | beardy | Alexandra: Hey |
| 03:18.41 | Alexandra | Yes, thought so as well |
| 03:19.34 | hologram | Alexandra: are you using luks? |
| 03:19.35 | cast | and since if you want reasonable performance you have to type a command to umount, it's not like it's that much extra work |
| 03:19.44 | newsense | i've heard of luks with a usb drive that has the key |
| 03:19.55 | hologram | Alexandra: just edit the /etc/crypttab file to point to a key file on the root hard drive as long as that drive is encrypted as well |
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| 03:20.00 | Alexandra | newsense: really? |
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| 03:20.18 | cast | it's really not that hard... |
| 03:20.22 | Alexandra | hey hologram, that sounds interesting |
| 03:20.26 | Alexandra | Thanks guys |
| 03:20.28 | cast | cat //b/passwd.txt | cmd - |
| 03:20.30 | newsense | Alexandra: yeah you can have the key on a usb thumb drive and have that inserted at boot time but you need to configure it obviously |
| 03:20.35 | Alexandra | I have some stuff to do now ;) |
| 03:20.36 | beardy | Alexandra: Seems to be a thing called cryptsetup that's used for such things. |
| 03:21.26 | beardy | Alexandra: http://groups.google.com/group/ec2ubuntu/web/encrypting-mnt-using-cryptsetup-on-ubuntu-7-10-gutsy-on-amazon-ec2 (use relevant bits) |
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| 03:21.46 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 03:21.59 | newsense | Alexandra: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/System_Encryption_with_LUKS_for_dm-crypt#Keyfile_.28visible_on_external_USB_stick.29 |
| 03:22.20 | Alexandra | SWEET! |
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| 03:22.36 | beardy | (If relevant, maybe that's some other encryption setup.) |
| 03:22.50 | Alexandra | Seems you guys know how to use google ;) |
| 03:23.20 | cast | lol @ luksFormat |
| 03:24.38 | beardy | I'm not familliar with luks. |
| 03:24.44 | beardy | Alexandra: Heh, yes. |
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| 03:38.27 | rahul | is there any package in debian that supports pdf fill-in forms? |
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| 03:39.36 | rahul | any pdf reader, specifically |
| 03:39.45 | abrotman | pdfedit ? |
| 03:39.48 | abrotman | !pdf forms |
| 03:39.51 | abrotman | !pdf form |
| 03:39.53 | abrotman | bleh |
| 03:41.12 | rahul | viewer, not editor |
| 03:41.41 | rahul | although I guess I could edit and add the data instead of doing it simply |
| 03:41.42 | abrotman | don't you want to fill in the form ? |
| 03:42.10 | rahul | yes, I do, but that doesn't involve editing the pdf, just adding information to a header on the pdf |
| 03:42.22 | abrotman | i think it's pretty much xpdf and evince/kpdf and the binary only adobe one now |
| 03:42.39 | rahul | is the binary only one in non-free still? |
| 03:42.45 | abrotman | never was |
| 03:42.50 | rahul | hmm |
| 03:43.01 | abrotman | maybe dmm |
| 03:43.01 | rahul | wonders where he had gotten it as .deb from |
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| 03:43.24 | rahul | probably |
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| 03:43.39 | abrotman | wonders how unbanned rahul ... |
| 03:46.33 | beardy | !fill pdf forms |
| 03:46.34 | dpkg | pdftk foo.pdf generate_fdf output foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf;, or alternatively pdf2ps foo.pdf; flpsed foo.ps (edit and export to pdf) |
| 03:47.11 | beardy | !edit pdf |
| 03:47.12 | dpkg | pdftk is a nifty package which you can use to edit, merge, split, and otherwise munge PDF files. Ask me about <fill pdf forms> to learn how to fill out a PDF form. The pdfedit package provides a powerful but quirky PDF editor. OpenOffice draw is also able to import PDFs as text/drawing objects which can allow some editing/commenting to be done. |
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| 03:48.15 | rahul | beardy: yeah, I'd rather something interactive |
| 03:50.42 | abrotman | s/how/who/ |
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| 03:52.10 | SHiiTE | when updating the installation language from spanish and adding english in debian by using 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' - i am having issues with changes not being reflected. i have done an apt-get update than upgrade. am i missing something? |
| 03:52.13 | nibby | Hey all. |
| 03:52.25 | nibby | I got Debian installed and everything's nice. |
| 03:52.30 | nibby | How do I install Beryl? |
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| 03:53.49 | newsense | i don't think debian has a beryl package |
| 03:53.54 | smacnay | nibby, that would be compiz, I think |
| 03:54.08 | nibby | Okay. |
| 03:54.10 | newsense | yeah compiz incorporated features from beryl |
| 03:54.14 | nibby | So how do I install compiz? |
| 03:54.22 | cast | you google |
| 03:54.24 | newsense | aptitude install compiz |
| 03:54.41 | newsense | or compiz-fusion if you want fusion |
| 03:54.49 | abrotman | beryl is dead |
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| 03:54.52 | newsense | i'd look at their wiki first |
| 03:55.04 | newsense | yeah that's what i thought |
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| 03:58.00 | baldurk | is there a way to get apt to gracefully restart apache2 when upgrading it? I need to install a new version but I'm not sure if apt will do an /etc/init.d/apache2 restart or an apache2ctl graceful |
| 03:58.47 | abrotman | i believe it does a reload .. you can check the postinst script |
| 03:59.25 | abrotman | wait, must be a restart |
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| 03:59.43 | tilen | hello i have problem i use debian 5.0 and buttons for sound on keyboard work but is still on 80% strength if i use button - or + nothing do it whats the problem? |
| 03:59.46 | baldurk | yeh I think it's a restart. I'll check |
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| 04:10.53 | raekism | can someone help me install latest flash player for Debian Lenny X64? |
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| 04:12.11 | cast | fuck flash |
| 04:12.23 | cast | debian is a free operating system, flash is not a part of it |
| 04:12.33 | cast | unless you were talking about gnash :) |
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| 04:14.25 | abrotman | !tell raekism about adobe flash |
| 04:14.44 | raekism | !adobe flash |
| 04:14.44 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 04:14.52 | abrotman | !tell raekism about adobe flash |
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| 04:19.40 | raekism | I got flash installed now but no sound |
| 04:19.48 | raekism | from webpages like youtube |
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| 04:20.13 | cast | have you contacted adobe |
| 04:20.27 | tilen | :)) |
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| 04:20.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | Anyone happen to be running virtualbox download version with USB and knows if the USB enabling directions are the same as in Ubuntu or are they different? |
| 04:20.48 | raekism | negative |
| 04:21.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | NM i found instructions. |
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| 04:44.47 | dmacks | Within a package postinst script during the configuration phase, how can I determine the list of files being installed by this package? |
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| 04:45.31 | dmacks | Or, where would be a better channel or mailing-list to ask this sort of technical dpkg question? |
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| 04:46.12 | simonrvn | debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
| 04:46.19 | dmacks | thx! |
| 04:46.28 | simonrvn | or #debian-mentors on oftc |
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| 04:47.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok so I tried to uninstall a few apps such as epiphany and it also removes gnome package. Now in a different Debian based distro that i used to use, gnome was a metapackage I think. In pure Debian here, it seems that if anything removes gnome package will basically remove all of the gnome environment when you later run "apt-get autoremove" is this correct and normal on pure debian? Im just trying to verify if its normal is all. |
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| 05:33.24 | nono | salut |
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| 05:51.18 | KillTheWabbit | Hello. What options do I have for creating an encrypted filesystem on a remote server on which I don't have root and on which they don't have any tools to create an encrypted fs? I can mount my home dir on the remote server using sshfs/fuse. |
| 05:51.57 | KillTheWabbit | I tried creating a realcrypt fs on the local mount point but the GUI wizard couldn't even see the directory that is the mount point. |
| 05:53.01 | centHOGG | what like a webhost somewhere? |
| 05:53.13 | KillTheWabbit | yes |
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| 05:53.28 | centHOGG | hmmm .... idk (thinking) |
| 05:54.07 | KillTheWabbit | I have a bunch of Mercurial repos that I need to clone there and some of those contain sensitive info. |
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| 05:59.40 | Vratha | so far, enjoying the sheevaplug with debian installed on it :-) |
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| 06:04.46 | NTFS | How sexy my ride?> |
| 06:04.47 | NTFS | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lD9p9uZlkk |
| 06:05.54 | simonrvn | !ops NTFS |
| 06:05.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: simonrvn complains about: NTFS |
| 06:06.09 | NTFS | or this sexier? |
| 06:06.10 | NTFS | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrvC-lgTqhk |
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| 06:07.56 | LinuxGuy2009 | Anyone verify that VirtualBox non-free does NOT require any configuration to enable USB other than simply adding yourself to the vboxusers group? Or is an fstab edit needed? |
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| 06:29.10 | Alexandra | Hi All, want to thank all those folks that helped me with the partition encryption on an external drive |
| 06:29.20 | Alexandra | I decided to go with luks |
| 06:29.24 | Alexandra | Works fine |
| 06:29.56 | Alexandra | However, I have difficulties with the crypttab |
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| 06:30.10 | Alexandra | I set up everything right, at least I think so: |
| 06:30.38 | Alexandra | A /dev/sdb1 /root/mykeyfile luks |
| 06:30.43 | Alexandra | surry |
| 06:30.49 | Alexandra | externhd /dev/sdb1 /root/mykeyfile luks |
| 06:31.25 | Alexandra | But when I reboot I cannot there is no /dev/mapper/externhd |
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| 06:57.48 | WormFood | isn't there a less-style program that will syntax highlight various file types (like scripts, html, C code, etc)? |
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| 06:59.02 | simonrvn | view (vim in r/o mode) |
| 06:59.17 | WormFood | yeah, that was the only thing I was thinking of |
| 06:59.46 | WormFood | I just searched through the package list real quick, and didn't see anything suitable |
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| 07:00.42 | WormFood | thanks simonrvn, I wasn't aware of "view"...that is a handy alias |
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| 07:03.53 | dHL_ | hey all anyone know ifi there is a difference between x86_64 bit labelled apps versus amd_64 bit ? |
| 07:03.57 | dHL_ | or is it the same thing? |
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| 07:05.50 | WormFood | I would imagine they are complied with optimizations that are specific to that architecture |
| 07:06.28 | WormFood | of course, i could be totally wrong too :P |
| 07:07.38 | cast | dHL_: same thing |
| 07:07.46 | cast | in the begining there was only AMD64 |
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| 07:08.12 | cast | then intel pretty much cloned it, except naming it EM64T |
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| 07:08.30 | centHOGG | itanium |
| 07:08.37 | cast | i suspect there might be some minor differences, but not enough to require a recompile |
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| 07:25.58 | e7th04sh | if i want to move to squeeze from lenny, is modifying /etc/apt/sources.list all i ne to do? |
| 07:26.02 | e7th04sh | need* |
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| 07:26.37 | cast | ahahaa oh my. this house's wireless router is unencrypted |
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| 07:28.49 | cast | this house == my house, too |
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| 07:29.05 | e7th04sh | wow, am i in range perhaps? |
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| 07:32.23 | e7th04sh | as i decided to risk doing without being sure, i have different questio now |
| 07:32.36 | e7th04sh | i changed all "lenny" to "squeeze" in sources.list |
| 07:32.55 | e7th04sh | it seems there is no squeeze at http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/ |
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| 07:33.02 | ctmjr | !tell e7th04sh about squeeze |
| 07:33.17 | slimjimflim | anybody know how to list all installed packages by date? |
| 07:33.28 | slimjimflim | i'm using dpkg --get-selections so far, but no date |
| 07:33.39 | e7th04sh | ctmjr, that didn't help me |
| 07:33.42 | cast | slimjimflim: i did that once...hmm |
| 07:33.53 | daltio | guys how i take •Take global zone and local zones info from this command and insert in wget command |
| 07:34.08 | ctmjr | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:34.10 | cast | ahh wait, no i didn't, that was aptitude search -O ~installsize -F '%p %I' ~i |
| 07:35.31 | e7th04sh | ok, i did install everything from squeeze on my lenny debian, was that foolish? :D |
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| 07:36.25 | e7th04sh | omg it is now removing gnome, why? |
| 07:36.50 | cast | is it installing gnome, too? |
| 07:36.56 | ehnvis | because gnome is evul? ;) |
| 07:37.02 | e7th04sh | i hope it does cast |
| 07:37.07 | e7th04sh | : |
| 07:37.09 | e7th04sh | O |
| 07:38.01 | e7th04sh | ok, i am freaking out :O, i hope i didn;.t mess up a working pg pc now |
| 07:38.42 | cast | i would be freaking out man, |
| 07:39.00 | cast | you went from stable to testing, on a working pc |
| 07:39.25 | cast | there aint no going back you know |
| 07:39.30 | e7th04sh | what, i was told i should use testing on desktop |
| 07:39.46 | cast | i don't, who told you that? |
| 07:39.50 | ctmjr | e7th04sh: who told you that |
| 07:40.08 | e7th04sh | i dont know either someone here or perhaps on #amarok |
| 07:40.20 | cast | i guess it depends if you want a stable desktop or a desktop still in testing |
| 07:40.32 | e7th04sh | if you want to hang him for treachery, i coul chck my logs lol |
| 07:40.47 | cast | you should check |
| 07:40.49 | e7th04sh | how frequently will i experience bugs now? |
| 07:40.58 | ehnvis | squeeze is stable enough for an every day use desktop (i do use it) but it has its moments. |
| 07:41.26 | cast | ehnvis: so has every windows desktop since 95, :( |
| 07:41.35 | ehnvis | cast: true |
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| 07:42.17 | ctmjr | and no security updates |
| 07:42.28 | cast | i use lenny on my desktop, i don't like app versions to change when they already work |
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| 07:44.48 | e7th04sh | now apt complains about "unknown media type" |
| 07:45.22 | cast | the internet is unknown? |
| 07:45.47 | e7th04sh | for example Unknown media type in type 'uri/mmsu' |
| 07:47.37 | ehnvis | ctmjr: i know there is no security updates for squeeze but you can still make it secure enough |
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| 07:49.35 | Alexandra | Hi All, I was a bit confused by the fact that I set up crypttab correctly, however the encrypted partition is not decrypted while reboot |
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| 07:50.16 | Alexandra | I figured out that /etc/init.d/cryptdisks is not executed |
| 07:50.22 | Alexandra | Ok, not a problem |
| 07:50.31 | uwjesd | How long till the next dist-upgrade? |
| 07:50.57 | Alexandra | But how can /etc/init.d/cryptdisks be executed everytime a new usb disk is connected to the computer? |
| 07:51.40 | newsense | Alexandra: udev |
| 07:52.00 | newsense | Alexandra:create a udeb rule to run it |
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| 07:52.14 | newsense | s/udeb/udev |
| 07:52.16 | Alexandra | Is that the proper way to do? |
| 07:52.21 | newsense | yeah |
| 07:52.31 | Alexandra | I always thought that cryptsetup does it itself |
| 07:52.35 | uwjesd | I mean when will Debian 6 be released? |
| 07:52.49 | Alexandra | Plugin external hd and voila there it is |
| 07:53.05 | newsense | well if you want something triggered on a hotplug event udev is the thing to use |
| 07:53.35 | Alexandra | Ok, I'll look into udev |
| 07:53.35 | e7th04sh | now thats gonna be something |
| 07:53.35 | Alexandra | Btw. thanks for your help so far |
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| 07:53.36 | e7th04sh | apt-get upgrade: 1202 MB to download |
| 07:53.36 | newsense | what exactly are you tryign to do ? |
| 07:53.36 | e7th04sh | should i t or n? |
| 07:53.39 | e7th04sh | y or n* |
| 07:53.40 | Alexandra | newsense: me? |
| 07:53.47 | newsense | yeah |
| 07:53.58 | Alexandra | I've a research project running |
| 07:54.10 | Alexandra | Some video files will be recorded on an external hd |
| 07:54.18 | Alexandra | They need to be encrypted |
| 07:54.24 | Alexandra | Now, I've two hd's |
| 07:54.50 | newsense | ok |
| 07:54.50 | Alexandra | Each of them need to be decrypted and mounted as soon as it is attached to the computer |
| 07:55.29 | newsense | Alexandra: without inputting a password ? |
| 07:55.43 | Alexandra | The computer is at a save place |
| 07:55.52 | newsense | yes ot no ? |
| 07:55.53 | Alexandra | I chose the keyfile-way |
| 07:55.57 | Alexandra | Yes |
| 07:56.22 | Alexandra | Yes, no password to type in, no because I use a keyfile ;) |
| 07:56.45 | newsense | you need libpam-mount |
| 07:57.07 | newsense | https://we.riseup.net/debian/automatically-mount-encrypted-home |
| 07:57.23 | newsense | theres a howto, im kind of tired it's late |
| 07:57.41 | newsense | but that should get you up and running |
| 07:57.54 | Alexandra | Thanks newsense |
| 07:58.04 | Alexandra | But that machine works as a server |
| 07:58.08 | newsense | Alexandra: no problem, let me know how it goes |
| 07:58.09 | Alexandra | Nowone will login to it |
| 07:58.20 | Alexandra | Sleep good ;) |
| 07:58.36 | newsense | i will, had enough beers |
| 07:59.27 | newsense | Alexandra: and it really doesnt matter that noone will login to it, it's still the same setup |
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| 07:59.46 | prem_ | does anyone know if I can switchoff (powerdown) 2 cores on a quad core machine dynamically ? |
| 07:59.54 | Alexandra | All right, I'll see how I'll go |
| 07:59.55 | Alexandra | Thanks |
| 07:59.56 | prem_ | does anyone know if I can switchoff (powerdown) 2 cores on a quad core machine dynamically ?, |
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| 08:01.22 | e7th04sh | why did you ask once for every core you want to switch off? |
| 08:01.22 | cast | cryptsetup is just a binary that creates/edits a luks header, or setups up/removes mappings, nothing much more |
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| 08:04.38 | nsadmin | does qtractor edit midi? |
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| 08:08.02 | nuscire | hey, guys. anyone use sawfish here? my installation of sawfish from squeeze (without any customization) gives me a black screen when invoked with startx. none of the keystrokes is responding, including three of the mouse clicks. this is my first to sawfish. what's going wrong? |
| 08:08.47 | slimjimflim | hi, i just tried to install bugzilla. the install failed and now when i try to install anything else, it goes back to the buzilla install and fails again |
| 08:09.05 | slimjimflim | doesn't even try to install the other app |
| 08:09.16 | valdyn | slimjimflim: are we supposed to guess the error message? |
| 08:09.47 | slimjimflim | Errors were encountered while processing: bugzilla3 |
| 08:09.47 | slimjimflim | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 08:09.58 | valdyn | !first error |
| 08:10.01 | valdyn | oo |
| 08:10.11 | valdyn | slimjimflim: give the whole or first error, not the last one |
| 08:10.54 | slimjimflim | how about i just give you the result of apt-get install insight |
| 08:11.04 | slimjimflim | it's short |
| 08:11.06 | slimjimflim | pastebin |
| 08:11.09 | valdyn | slimjimflim: sure |
| 08:11.48 | slimjimflim | http://pastebin.ca/1721120 |
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| 08:12.26 | valdyn | slimjimflim: this isnt debian |
| 08:12.42 | slimjimflim | oh oops |
| 08:13.12 | valdyn | slimjimflim: the postinst script failed, that script is at /var/lib/dpkg/info/bugzilla3.postinst |
| 08:13.24 | valdyn | slimjimflim: but youd probably get a fix by checking the ubuntu bts |
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| 08:26.41 | alfatau | hello, it's some days the kernel messages are like http://paste.debian.net/54493/. does anyone knows to what is it due? google unfortunately does not gives real answers. thanks for your attention. |
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| 08:33.32 | upgradxor | i was prompted by apt-get to choose either my current version of some config file, that was modified after installation, or a new one |
| 08:33.46 | upgradxor | /etc/console-tools/config <---- |
| 08:33.53 | valdyn | upgradxor: so? |
| 08:34.08 | upgradxor | default is to keep mine, but i think i should use a new one, what do you think? |
| 08:34.25 | valdyn | upgradxor: whatever you prefer |
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| 08:35.13 | upgradxor | valdyn is that file important? won;t bad choice cause me problems/ |
| 08:35.16 | upgradxor | ? |
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| 08:35.32 | valdyn | upgradxor: why would it? |
| 08:35.54 | upgradxor | valdyn, how do i know... |
| 08:36.05 | upgradxor | i suppose not, from your reaction |
| 08:36.24 | valdyn | upgradxor: you should have chosen the default if you dont understand the implications |
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| 08:37.18 | upgradxor | then i ch |
| 08:37.21 | upgradxor | nvm |
| 08:39.29 | valdyn | upgradxor: normally the old version should be ok though. At the moment both versions should be there, feel free to look and compare |
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| 08:41.35 | upgradxor | dang O.o |
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| 08:42.13 | upgradxor | now i was prompted the same about dovecot config, (but in ncurses windows, or something like that) |
| 08:42.31 | upgradxor | and when i chose compare, apt-get seems to have went into catatonia |
| 08:42.51 | upgradxor | umm sorry for flood, i hurrid a bit its allright now |
| 08:43.11 | reto` | is there some kind of cli tool to figure out the country from an (ip)address? |
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| 08:43.50 | cast | sure is |
| 08:43.56 | cast | geoiplookup |
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| 08:45.55 | reto` | cast: yep, thanks |
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| 08:53.02 | HackeMate | is there a new driver for nvidia that supports gts 250 ddr3? |
| 08:53.18 | HackeMate | with fx5200 works perfectly but this new one i get crash |
| 08:53.31 | HackeMate | i wondering if installing a new driver it could hlep |
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| 08:53.35 | rgr | which driver? |
| 08:54.14 | HackeMate | i installed the driver using module-assistant in stable |
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| 08:56.10 | rgr | well, since there is only one nvidia driver I would say your screwed unless you move to something generic like vesa. I would not suggest using the latest and greatest from nvidia using their installer because of the clash which results on a borked system down the road. |
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| 08:57.30 | HackeMate | i had experience using the .run file driver nvidia and i wont use that anymore |
| 08:57.42 | HackeMate | i only want get a stable gamming :/ |
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| 08:57.52 | valdyn | HackeMate: you can use the nvidia-glx from sid |
| 08:58.10 | HackeMate | does that driver support 3d? |
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| 08:58.33 | valdyn | HackeMate: whats the actual problem with the driver from lenny? |
| 08:58.36 | valdyn | HackeMate: yes it does |
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| 08:58.59 | Leoneof` | hello |
| 08:59.03 | Leoneof` | i've question... |
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| 08:59.06 | HackeMate | it works fine for elemental routines, but in game it closes itself, if i change the graphic card for a fx5200, doesnt crash anymore |
| 08:59.48 | HackeMate | i had the same issue with a 8500 gt |
| 08:59.56 | HackeMate | and i thought that graphic were broken |
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| 09:00.44 | valdyn | HackeMate: which card? |
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| 09:01.04 | HackeMate | my current i am using is gforce gts 250 1gb ddr3 |
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| 09:01.20 | valdyn | HackeMate: that card is not supported at all by the lenny driver |
| 09:01.30 | HackeMate | damn |
| 09:01.36 | HackeMate | what about lenny? |
| 09:01.44 | HackeMate | sorry |
| 09:01.45 | HackeMate | i mean testing |
| 09:01.54 | valdyn | HackeMate: use the sid driver |
| 09:02.07 | valdyn | HackeMate: that works on lenny, dont upgrade the whole system |
| 09:02.14 | Leoneof` | hello, Debian have tearing like this probem ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1358555 |
| 09:02.33 | HackeMate | so i only need use the nvidia-glx driver from sid in lenny |
| 09:02.45 | HackeMate | right? |
| 09:02.57 | valdyn | Leoneof`: sure does, depending on driver |
| 09:03.03 | valdyn | Leoneof`: same as ubuntu |
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| 09:03.19 | Leoneof` | :( |
| 09:03.21 | Leoneof` | why? |
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| 09:03.26 | valdyn | HackeMate: theres a few more packages involved |
| 09:03.45 | HackeMate | i assumed that |
| 09:03.50 | valdyn | Leoneof`: because neither debian nor ubuntu can help that users may use wrong drivers or unsupported hardware |
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| 09:04.21 | Leoneof` | valdyn: did u read my post? it is nVidia |
| 09:04.52 | valdyn | Leoneof`: it doesnt get much vaguer |
| 09:05.24 | Leoneof` | o.o |
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| 09:06.04 | valdyn | Leoneof`: youre in the wrong forum to get help with ubuntu |
| 09:06.54 | Leoneof` | valdyn: which forum to get the help for Ubuntu? |
| 09:07.06 | valdyn | Leoneof`: #ubuntu |
| 09:07.56 | Leoneof` | yes i'm there, but i just wanted to know if Debian have no problem like this, and to use it instead of Ubuntu |
| 09:08.06 | valdyn | Leoneof`: and I told you |
| 09:09.34 | Leoneof` | thanks ^_^ |
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| 09:13.44 | upgradxor | how come upgrding from lenny to squeeze somehow made apt-get remove a lot of stuff? fe. synaptic? |
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| 09:14.17 | superlinux | hi all |
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| 09:19.16 | HackeMate | i feel this is sirky |
| 09:19.39 | HackeMate | trying to install nvidia-glx from sid, says nvidia-kernel.190.42 is required but it cant be installed |
| 09:19.47 | HackeMate | sirky=risky |
| 09:20.06 | valdyn | HackeMate: its easy to handle if you watch what happens |
| 09:20.25 | valdyn | HackeMate: you *only* want to install nvidia-* packages, everything else -> come here and ask |
| 09:20.27 | HackeMate | i tried to find that package and install a nvidia-kernel for my `uname -r` |
| 09:20.38 | HackeMate | hm |
| 09:20.39 | valdyn | HackeMate: you cannot "find" it |
| 09:20.44 | aiyu | hii all, i am facing problem with sudo. i added my user to sudo group. my username shows in group too. but when i sudo mkdir /mnt/d, it asks for password and on acceptance, it says i am not in sudoers file. i manually edited, /etc/group to add me to sudo group. |
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| 09:20.50 | valdyn | HackeMate: install the nvidia-kernel-source package from sid |
| 09:21.07 | valdyn | HackeMate: and run "m-a a-i nvidia" to *build* the nvidia-kernel.190.42 package |
| 09:21.29 | HackeMate | thank you for your patience, valdyn |
| 09:21.43 | valdyn | aiyu: what the fuck are you doing |
| 09:21.45 | superlinux | on gnome: i want to attach the open office mime types perminently to the double click just to open the file. how? i have always to right click and select my custom version of OOffice just to open a file. |
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| 09:22.03 | aiyu | valdyn: creating a directory to mount my partition there |
| 09:22.11 | valdyn | aiyu: sudo usage is controlled by /etc/sudoers , which is edited with "visudo", do not mess with /etc/group |
| 09:22.39 | aiyu | valdyn, so what is this /etc/group do |
| 09:23.03 | valdyn | superlinux: right-click, select properties |
| 09:23.16 | superlinux | ok |
| 09:24.11 | valdyn | aiyu: "man group" |
| 09:24.12 | superlinux | valdyn, i did the tab. will that make it permanent? |
| 09:24.28 | valdyn | superlinux: sure |
| 09:24.32 | HackeMate | it worked, thank you valdyn, i just needed clean the previous driver |
| 09:26.15 | superlinux | valdyn, how can i remove the other entry, the original one? or at least edit it? |
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| 09:28.27 | aiyu | valdyn, i am not sure whether i shud give my current username sudo, i just want to create permanent partition and to make my user(without root rights) to read /var/log/messages for displaying with conky. Should i give my user sudo rights. |
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| 09:29.17 | cast | don't use sudo for that |
| 09:29.26 | cast | -rw-r----- 1 root adm 303 2009-12-20 14:04 /var/log/messages |
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| 09:29.38 | cast | use adm group membership, instead |
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| 09:30.03 | aiyu | cast: so, i shud edit /etc/group and add my username to adm group? |
| 09:30.04 | cast | also to create a partition just use su -, that's a once in a while thing. |
| 09:30.29 | cast | adduser username adm |
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| 09:31.43 | aiyu | thankyou cast |
| 09:32.40 | cast | then relogin, or run newgrp, but relogin is probably more simpler |
| 09:32.56 | aiyu | cast: ok |
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| 09:38.26 | cast | sudo: not the answers to all your permission problems |
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| 09:40.28 | valdyn | aiyu: no, to read /var/log/messages your user only needs to be in the adm group |
| 09:41.22 | valdyn | aiyu: the "permanent partition" can be made readable with chmod if its ext3 |
| 09:41.33 | valdyn | aiyu: the "permanent partition" can be made readable and writeable with chmod if its ext3 |
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| 09:42.25 | aiyu | valdyn: its fat, its windows |
| 09:42.26 | valdyn | aiyu: sudo is still great for a desktop system |
| 09:42.33 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 09:42.34 | dpkg | To get write access to a <vfat> partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,user,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id". |
| 09:42.37 | aiyu | valdyn: mine is a desktop |
| 09:42.44 | aiyu | valdyn: laptop |
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| 09:48.25 | vavar | is it difficult to set up a touchscreen? |
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| 09:53.05 | nsadmin | vavar: you should find out which touchscreens are supported by linux kernel |
| 09:53.25 | nsadmin | and buy one of the supported ones |
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| 10:16.02 | xNinja | hello...i am searching for some nice .bashrc to use with my lenny server |
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| 10:27.03 | robert___ | hello |
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| 10:27.21 | robert___ | is it possible to save linux users to a mysql database and not to the passwd file? |
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| 10:30.53 | Kamping_Kaiser | robert___: look at libpam-mysql |
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| 10:31.23 | robert___ | thank you |
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| 10:34.08 | cast | NoCode: why do you want to do that? |
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| 11:02.35 | Psi-Jack | robert___: And just a FYI, using MySQL for passwd file information is a bad idea. LDAP, sure, but MySQL, not so much. |
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| 11:06.38 | DelphiWorld | hi dear all |
| 11:06.43 | DelphiWorld | why this error? |
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| 11:09.01 | nielsle | I would like to download and build a debian source package locally without root password and using prefix=/home/niels/local, but if I write apt-src install -i pine, I am prompted for a sudo password. |
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| 11:09.13 | toolz | Hi, I am trying to run a program which works fine on other linux distros, I use debian 5.0.3 |
| 11:09.23 | toolz | the debug tells me this: No symbol table info available. |
| 11:09.35 | toolz | tryed to google but couldnt find anything to help me |
| 11:09.52 | kejiaj | Hello wveryone |
| 11:10.28 | nielsle | toolz: Did you install the program using apt-get or did you just copy it? What is the same of the program? If you post the error message to pastebin.com that would be helpful. |
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| 11:10.40 | xin_- | hi |
| 11:11.04 | xin_- | I have to reinstall my system, and want to take this opportunity to install testing on it |
| 11:11.28 | xin_- | but, I need quite recent nvidia drivers on it, since I need opengl 3.2 support |
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| 11:11.51 | xin_- | I've heard it is possible to selectively combine unstable stuff with testing, is that right? |
| 11:11.58 | kejiaj | Hello anyone see this |
| 11:12.51 | Supaplex | no |
| 11:12.57 | Supaplex | not at all kejiaj :) |
| 11:13.02 | kejiaj | Hahaha |
| 11:13.04 | toolz | nielsle, this is the crash report. Its a valve software, counter-strike game server |
| 11:13.05 | toolz | http://pastebin.com/m4f42396d |
| 11:13.05 | nielsle | xin_ : I don't know much about nvidia drivers, but if you search google for apt-pinning then you get more info. |
| 11:13.05 | kejiaj | Thanks |
| 11:13.06 | xin_- | I dont want to use unstable just for the nvidia glx package |
| 11:13.12 | toolz | nielsle, I have no idea whats causing this. |
| 11:13.16 | Supaplex | xin_-: backports |
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| 11:13.17 | xin_- | apt-pinning, ok. |
| 11:13.24 | toolz | nielsle, it is not installed using apt-get |
| 11:13.26 | Supaplex | backports > pinning |
| 11:13.31 | xin_- | ah, alright |
| 11:13.32 | nielsle | xin_: listen to supaplex not to me :) |
| 11:13.47 | superlinux | guys! please someone tell me what does "literature search" mean? |
| 11:13.53 | xin_- | I'm a little worried about X though. a testing X with unstable drivers, is this dangerous? |
| 11:13.54 | toolz | nielsle, it has an auto install software, I installed it on my box as I did on other boxes where it works fine. |
| 11:13.54 | superlinux | guys! please someone tell me what does "literature search" mean in I.T? |
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| 11:14.13 | Supaplex | superlinux: sounds like RTFM? |
| 11:14.27 | nielsle | superlinux: It probably means using google to look for an answer. |
| 11:14.29 | superlinux | what is rtfm? |
| 11:14.33 | xin_- | aside from the fact that the drivers are in unstable - I just mean the combination. I'm thinking of ABI changes, incompatibilities etc. |
| 11:14.38 | Supaplex | dpkg: wtf rtfm |
| 11:14.39 | dpkg | RTFM: read the fine/fucking manual |
| 11:14.41 | superlinux | ok ok |
| 11:15.05 | superlinux | Supaplex, you are as usual rude |
| 11:15.10 | superlinux | hehe |
| 11:15.37 | superlinux | rude but funny |
| 11:15.42 | xin_- | ah what the heck. I'll just try it. if it doesnt work, I'll install the nvidia drivers manually. |
| 11:15.45 | Supaplex | (: |
| 11:16.01 | nielsle | toolz: I don't know much about counter strike servers. You cab probably get better help on the counter-strike server forum than in here. |
| 11:16.05 | Supaplex | xin_-: /msg dpkg nvidia ... might save big headaches later. |
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| 11:17.32 | toolz | nielsle, thought you know what could cause that error |
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| 11:18.45 | superlinux | nielsle, so it just means as in plain english " to go search for something" ? |
| 11:18.47 | nielsle | toolz: Sorry. Try to ask in the counter strike forums. They may know :) |
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| 11:21.42 | nielsle | superlinux: If this was an answer to my apt-src request, then it looks somewhat underdocumented, unless you refer to the "APT HOWTO (Obsolete Documentation) " |
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| 11:21.53 | Supaplex | superlinux: literature = books, printed things, manuals, documents, etc. |
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| 11:23.44 | superlinux | i ask this cos I understand literature as just artistic writing like poems and essays..etc |
| 11:24.07 | superlinux | and i am required for my final year project this |
| 11:24.22 | superlinux | Supaplex, thanks for your help. |
| 11:25.49 | Pavel | I am running Debian testing, and until recently, suspend and hibernate worked perfectly, but now a) the standby (software suspend, Fn-ESC on my laptop) key only works when the screen is not locked and b) hibernation key (Fn-F1) does not work at all, nor does the hibernation option show up in any lists and menus, but s2disk (as root) works perfectly well. I am guessing an upgrade broke something, but I can't figure out what. |
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| 11:29.13 | xin_- | hm apparently, there is no backports stuff for nvidia |
| 11:29.32 | xin_- | also, its lenny-backports, not "testing-backports", but the reason is rather obvious |
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| 11:33.05 | Supaplex | !simple sid backport |
| 11:33.05 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 11:35.34 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm trying to copy a CD (with no copy protection) with dd, but I get read errors (the CD is old ..). Is there a way to skip the broken parts and continue reading? I tried conv=noerror but it doesn't seem to work. Thanks. |
| 11:38.47 | AimHere | If it's commercial, the easiest way these days is to download it from your friendly neighbourhood torrent site. |
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| 11:43.53 | rudi_s | AimHere: No, it isn't, it's an old CD of mine. |
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| 11:47.40 | petemc | rudi_s: perhaps try ddrescue |
| 11:48.35 | rudi_s | petemc: Thank you, I will try it. |
| 11:48.50 | pozic | Why doesn't Windows Update ask me to change all kinds of configuration files during an upgrade unlike the Debian upgrade process? For example, when updatedb.conf is changed by "the maintainer", you just _have_ to fix it at that point in time and not for example at the end of installing everything all in one go. Who makes up these ridiculous upgrade processes? |
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| 11:50.47 | pozic | A good solution would be some kind of automatic merging with an upgrade report at the end of the upgrade. |
| 11:51.26 | AimHere | Yeah, but 'some kind of automatic merging' could be bad |
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| 11:51.46 | pozic | Is there a *nix like system that is maintained by people who do value the time of their users? |
| 11:51.46 | petemc | pozic: no one makes them up, and they arent ridiculous |
| 11:51.47 | AimHere | You don't want your sshd_config policies tweaked by an automatic merge |
| 11:51.49 | pozic | AimHere: no, it would not; that's what the report would be for. |
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| 11:52.31 | valdyn | pozic: windows doesnt do something like this, windows just breaks |
| 11:52.31 | pozic | petemc: if you upgrade >2000 packages, you will get asked about various files during the multi-hour upgrade process. |
| 11:52.44 | AimHere | So instead of getting your sshd_config left alone until you ask it to, you get a big dump of things changed at the end of your apt-get upgrade, and it's your job to unfix everything that apt-get broke? |
| 11:52.47 | valdyn | pozic: windows doesnt upgrade the whole system either |
| 11:52.50 | pozic | petemc: Debian doesn't ask everything it needs to know in one go. |
| 11:52.50 | petemc | i know how the upgrade process works |
| 11:53.09 | valdyn | pozic: comparing this *excellent* system to windows is ridiculous |
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| 11:53.29 | superlinux | guys! what is the official name of the project management certification? |
| 11:53.36 | petemc | prince |
| 11:53.48 | petemc | prince2, even |
| 11:53.50 | pozic | valdyn: Ok, I guess Windows update is about the same as upgrading the kernel and Firefox (IE). |
| 11:54.06 | valdyn | pozic: *less* |
| 11:54.22 | valdyn | pozic: in that you dont get new kernels with windows |
| 11:54.26 | pozic | valdyn: so, don't you think it would be better to have a system of asking all questions at once? |
| 11:54.57 | valdyn | pozic: sure it would be better |
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| 11:55.16 | nielsle | In principle all these questions should be asked to the user before the upgrade, but that might requires some extra coding. |
| 11:55.45 | petemc | some magic too |
| 11:55.45 | valdyn | pozic: that would require to unpack all packages at once before installing them |
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| 11:55.47 | valdyn | pozic: thats a huge problem |
| 11:56.09 | pozic | valdyn: why would it be a huge problem? |
| 11:56.32 | AimHere | Hmm, are there multiple packages that need to twiddle the same config file, ever? |
| 11:56.38 | valdyn | pozic: because it breaks the atomicity of installs |
| 11:56.57 | valdyn | pozic: you cant just dump in random unconfigured packages |
| 11:57.09 | valdyn | pozic: good luck breaking libc6, login, pam, whatever |
| 11:57.30 | pozic | valdyn: I think Nix already can do that. |
| 11:57.32 | valdyn | pozic: im only saying that its technically very hard to realise |
| 11:57.57 | valdyn | pozic: so use Nix |
| 11:58.27 | pozic | valdyn: people don't use Nix, because it is less popular. |
| 11:58.43 | nielsle | If apt-get update gave me a list of packages that had changed their configuration files, Then I could be prompted by the system as soon as I write apt-get upgrade. In most cases this would work. |
| 11:58.45 | AimHere | So use Windows |
| 11:58.56 | superlinux | guys! again ! what is the official name of the project management certification? |
| 11:59.20 | Supaplex | I know, let's throw a decade of debian stability out the window on a whim of minor frustration and upgrade to major frustration. |
| 11:59.22 | petemc | superlinux: prince2 |
| 11:59.24 | valdyn | pozic: you can aptitude -y and fix config later |
| 11:59.31 | valdyn | pozic: that works right now afaik |
| 11:59.36 | petemc | superlinux: and that has nothing to do with debiabn |
| 11:59.40 | petemc | s/bn/n/ |
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| 12:00.23 | valdyn | pozic: old config is stored as foo.dpkg-old |
| 12:00.31 | petemc | superlinux: and prince2 might be uk specific |
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| 12:04.18 | pozic | valdyn: but that doesn't give me a summary of everything it changed, right? |
| 12:04.34 | pozic | valdyn: although, it should not be hard to write a program to do this myself. |
| 12:04.41 | valdyn | pozic: where do you get a summary? |
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| 12:05.03 | valdyn | pozic: i mean, where do you get a summary at all? |
| 12:05.20 | valdyn | pozic: thats in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 12:05.43 | valdyn | pozic: and details are in "diff oldconfig newconfig" |
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| 12:06.58 | HackeMate | valdyn: i should tell you thanks, updating the driver & wine fixed a large list of bugs, i still get crashes but not that much |
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| 12:07.04 | pozic | valdyn: I don't get a summary anywhere, but it seems like a very crucial thing to know on a system. If it would be a super secure box, I would of course never install a few thousand packages. |
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| 12:08.11 | pozic | valdyn: I would probably switch to an operating system which would run for until the hardware crashes with automatic updates. |
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| 12:10.53 | bzrk | hi all, does anyone have recommendations for a webfrontend that allows playing mp3s from a storage server with directly attached audio out? |
| 12:11.14 | d1b | bzrk: vlc... :P |
| 12:11.25 | d1b | there are a number of such things .. google? |
| 12:11.28 | bzrk | hah :) |
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| 12:11.48 | bzrk | trouble is i dont know what to google for, http and mp3 etc only finds streaming tools |
| 12:11.53 | petemc | mpd |
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| 12:12.37 | bzrk | petemc: mpd looks good, thx |
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| 12:18.51 | paissad-hp | hi too alk |
| 12:18.53 | paissad-hp | all* |
| 12:18.59 | paissad-hp | to all* |
| 12:19.02 | paissad-hp | :P |
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| 12:20.19 | paissad-hp | actually, i have a matter when i try to connect to my system, i use kdm and xfce4, when i enter my login and password (which are entered correctly) ... the screen comes back to logon screen after a black screen |
| 12:20.31 | paissad-hp | the black screen lasts about 1 sec |
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| 12:21.07 | paissad-hp | or 2 sec , but nevermind |
| 12:21.31 | paissad-hp | does someone have an idea of the way to resolve that ? |
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| 12:23.11 | azeem_ | paissad-hp: see what ~/.xsession-errors says |
| 12:23.24 | paissad-hp | ok |
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| 12:27.48 | paissad-hp | azeem_, pastebinit -i .xsession-errors |
| 12:27.48 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f19df54f9 |
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| 12:28.01 | e7th04sh | hi |
| 12:28.36 | e7th04sh | i was upgrading from lenny to squeeze today and i seems i managed |
| 12:28.38 | e7th04sh | but.. |
| 12:28.48 | e7th04sh | openarena no longer works smooth for me |
| 12:29.09 | e7th04sh | and i suppose it's a problem with x server, what can i check? ;/ |
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| 12:30.05 | AimHere | If you're using proprietary video card drivers, I'd reinstall them |
| 12:30.18 | azeem_ | paissad-hp: what does "ls -l /home/paissad/.ICEauthority" say? |
| 12:31.03 | paissad-hp | azeem_, ls -l /home/paissad/.ICEauthority |
| 12:31.04 | paissad-hp | -rw------- 1 root root 11078 déc 19 01:46 /home/paissad/.ICEauthority |
| 12:31.10 | paissad-hp | does not seem good :P |
| 12:31.13 | paissad-hp | root:root |
| 12:31.18 | azeem_ | no. |
| 12:32.09 | e7th04sh | according to debian wiki my radeon 9200 i not supported any longer by propiretary |
| 12:32.18 | e7th04sh | i was using "radeon" driver prior to upgrad |
| 12:33.03 | AimHere | In that case it was probably upgraded automagically, if necessary |
| 12:33.19 | e7th04sh | ? |
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| 12:33.59 | paissad-hp | azeem_, you got it mate, it works now, thanks, next time if ever, i'll at leat take a look at $HOME/.xsession-errors |
| 12:34.03 | paissad-hp | :D |
| 12:34.13 | azeem_ | cheers |
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| 12:39.03 | valdyn | e7th04sh: radeon is still ok |
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| 12:45.24 | SparFux | Hello! My insserv does not seem to actually update links in /etc/rc?.d/ when run. |
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| 12:46.36 | bittin^ | Hello anyone know how i do a list off my installed Debian packages with dpkg into a textfile? |
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| 12:49.07 | redd | bittin^: dpkg-query -l > [filename] |
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| 12:50.01 | petemc | or dpkg --get-selections |
| 12:50.28 | bittin^ | redd: yea thx =) |
| 12:50.51 | SparFux | is insserv supposed to change the symlinks in /etc/rc?.d ? |
| 12:51.09 | e7th04sh | valdyn, but i am not sure how to edit xorg.conf to get it working |
| 12:51.34 | e7th04sh | will it be enough to add the line Driver "radeon" |
| 12:51.59 | SparFux | aha, first insserv -r and then inserv to change position of script. ok. |
| 12:51.59 | valdyn | e7th04sh: why do you think you need to edit it? |
| 12:52.23 | e7th04sh | because i doesnt work anymore |
| 12:52.26 | e7th04sh | it* |
| 12:52.33 | valdyn | e7th04sh: thats silly |
| 12:52.36 | e7th04sh | i suppose i have made the upgrade in a bad way |
| 12:52.41 | valdyn | e7th04sh: xorg.conf is the last place to fix this |
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| 12:52.51 | e7th04sh | hm |
| 12:52.52 | valdyn | e7th04sh: read or show us /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 12:53.21 | e7th04sh | damn, it seems to recognize my card correct:/ |
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| 12:53.39 | e7th04sh | so what could have changed, that makes openarana work bad even in menu? |
| 12:53.41 | valdyn | e7th04sh: there, now what do you get when you type "glxinfo | grep -i direct" ? |
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| 12:54.49 | red_eyes | When I log in it says Failed to initialize HAL! |
| 12:54.50 | red_eyes | And the cdrom icon disappeared :/ |
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| 12:55.45 | bittin^ | http://bittin.linuxuser.se/HilleLinuxpackages.txt got it to work :) |
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| 13:09.07 | pozic | Is there software to connect a laptop running Debian to a TV, so that you can watch photos directly from the device? |
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| 13:09.47 | abrotman | you just change the output device |
| 13:10.13 | abrotman | i mean .. you have to configure X correctly, but that depends on your display device |
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| 13:10.44 | pozic | abrotman: the display device is just a relatively old TV. (SCART) |
| 13:11.30 | pozic | abrotman: it would save me the effort to transfer the data first to the camera and then to the TV. |
| 13:12.04 | abrotman | http://www.tkk.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/vga2tv/linux_tv.html |
| 13:12.09 | abrotman | and that's pretty old |
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| 13:15.20 | pozic | abrotman: that seems fairly complicated. |
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| 13:16.17 | abrotman | pozic: it may have gotten easier .. i know you can use xrandr to change the output device, but finding the right mode for your tv seems trickier |
| 13:16.23 | ArianHT | hi, i've built Gnome-shell on debian and now when i run the script : ./gnome-shell --replace i get these : http://pastebin.com/m3ba17ccb can anyone help me? |
| 13:16.33 | e7th04sh | valdyn this one is ok too :/ |
| 13:16.48 | e7th04sh | and the glxgear -info gives over 100 fps |
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| 13:17.05 | pozic | abrotman: I know that connecting it to a beamer was a piece of cake. |
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| 13:18.19 | abrotman | pozic: but that was a VGA jack right ? does your tv have that also ? |
| 13:19.29 | pozic | abrotman: yes, it was. |
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| 13:33.28 | e7th04sh | ok, so after turning all repositories from lenny to squeeze and running apt-get update apt-get install apt apt-get update, rebooting |
| 13:33.47 | e7th04sh | i couldnt get to x, got error (something abou configuration) |
| 13:34.04 | e7th04sh | then run apt-get update from root tty and that ifnally got me updated |
| 13:34.09 | e7th04sh | then could startx |
| 13:34.20 | e7th04sh | but openarena is now unplayable, and used to run smoothly |
| 13:34.33 | e7th04sh | glxgear -info gives >100 fps |
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| 13:58.26 | mastro | how do I play a video with an external audio channel file? (i tried with mplayer -audiofile my-audio-track.mp4 my-video-track.mp4. It does work but I can't forward or backward the video or the audio start over from the beginning again.... |
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| 14:00.04 | FastPutty | hello, since yesterday, i have a proc klogd running 100% of my cpu, i wonder what exactly it does and should i kill it? |
| 14:00.48 | pozic | FastPutty: man klogd |
| 14:01.22 | pozic | FastPutty: I don't know exactly what it does either, but I expect a chatty driver. |
| 14:01.23 | FastPutty | i did but dont understand what the real reason why it started to run like this |
| 14:01.41 | pozic | FastPutty: nobody in this channel does either, unless you give more information. |
| 14:01.51 | pozic | FastPutty: you are in the best position to figure out what it is doing. |
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| 14:02.17 | FastPutty | could be the swapiness cause that? |
| 14:02.21 | BackLash|TheFly | Hey, is there an easy way to restrict users access to /home/user (without chroot) they need to be able to run stuff but I want shell to be useless to them (the only thing they should be able to do is ftp and run whats in their home |
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| 14:28.07 | Argafal | hello. i see that my system messes up fonts whenever I add a second screen (using xrandr). This happens only for a bunch of certain applications and i'm not sure where to start looking. let me describe it a bit further: |
| 14:28.35 | Argafal | the affect applications are at least gdm, lastfm, skype. are those all Qt applications? |
| 14:28.49 | Argafal | terminal, browser (uzbl, midori, epiphany, firefox) work fine. |
| 14:28.57 | Argafal | are those all Gtk applications? |
| 14:29.24 | Argafal | the font is just WAY to small or WAY too big, which seems to depend on the resolution of the new screen. |
| 14:29.32 | Argafal | hints are appreciated. |
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| 14:31.24 | SparFux | Hello all. Why do I get this RTNETlink error? http://pastebin.com/f4fbac46c |
| 14:32.04 | SparFux | Oh wait, I get some more verbose output. |
| 14:33.44 | SparFux | http://pastebin.com/m1bf79da9 |
| 14:33.59 | SparFux | The route is there, but I get ip route del default via 192.168.2.1 Â dev eth0 RTNETLINK answers: No such process |
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| 14:41.54 | SparFux | there is such a route it tried to delete. I don't understand this. |
| 14:42.41 | SparFux | default via 192.168.2.1 dev eth0 is the route and ip route del default via 192.168.2.1 dev eth0 should delete it without any error. |
| 14:47.03 | MrTorque | i have some trouble with name resolution. I have a running samba server which i can access with it's ip, but it is not shown in windows explorer (network) |
| 14:47.11 | MrTorque | how do i make it visible. |
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| 14:48.30 | MrTorque | i wrote the ip from the server in windows tcp-settings as dns, but it didnt work. The server has only host file (no dns server running on it) |
| 14:50.19 | TheJoe | Alas, Debian. Thy out of date packaging hath taken its toll on mine soul; ye hath not provided me with the latest in innovation within enough time. Thus, I hath walked under the Arch and hath seen o wonderous things; three-five-six, oh two-two-eight; grand old two-six-four. |
| 14:51.00 | TheJoe | toodloo |
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| 14:51.31 | AimHere | Come back when it breaks |
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| 14:57.10 | cahoot | why? |
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| 15:02.00 | paradoxmonkey | How can I silence the output of a command run from a shell script? |
| 15:02.40 | AimHere | redirect to /dev/null |
| 15:02.52 | stew | paradoxmonkey: "command > /dev/null" ; use "command > /dev/null 2> /dev/null " i you also want to suppress the error stream |
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| 15:04.02 | paradoxmonkey | stew: dd if=/dev/zero of=$IMAGE bs=1 count=$DIR_SIZE > /dev/null didn't work |
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| 15:04.19 | stew | paradoxmonkey: what makes you think it didn't work? |
| 15:04.24 | AimHere | Try 2> /dev/null instead |
| 15:04.30 | paradoxmonkey | stew: it still shows me how much it copied etc |
| 15:04.45 | stew | paradoxmonkey: becuase that's on the error stream |
| 15:04.47 | AimHere | You're probably looking at the stderr output, for error messages, rather than the standard output, for, well, output |
| 15:11.59 | MrTorque | can someone help me setting up dns? |
| 15:11.59 | paradoxmonkey | AimHere: 2> /dev/null worked :) How come linux considers dd output to be error? |
| 15:12.00 | stew | paradoxmonkey: it needs to not interfere with the output stream so that you can do things like "dd /some/file > outputfile" |
| 15:12.00 | stew | err dd if=/some/file... |
| 15:12.00 | stew | or something like "dd if=/shome/file | ssh user@remotehost dd of=/some/remote/file" |
| 15:12.01 | paradoxmonkey | stew: oh I see |
| 15:12.02 | adb | paradoxmonkey, see too > http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/How_To_Do_Eveything_With_DD |
| 15:12.02 | MrTorque | i can not see my samba machine in the windows explorer |
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| 15:12.03 | teatimeh | MrTorque: I dunno the right way, but maybe you can have your samba machine be a WINS server for the windows ones? |
| 15:12.03 | teatimeh | MrTorque: this worked for me once. you can give windows machines WINS server IP in DHCP response. |
| 15:12.55 | MrTorque | teatimeh: how does that work? set wins support = yes in smb.conf? |
| 15:13.10 | MrTorque | or even wins server = yes ? |
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| 15:14.14 | teatimeh | MrTorque: something like that I think; I don't remember. |
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| 15:15.16 | MrTorque | i installed for dns bind9 and dnsutils. i added the server ip in the windows tcp-settings (is that correct)? i still can acces websites from the win machine. that's a good sign, isn't it? |
| 15:15.31 | MrTorque | but still, my samba server is not shown in windows explorer |
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| 15:22.10 | Hans_Henrik | any1 know how i can export my entire harddrive to a VMWare and/or VirtualBox compatible, bootable VM? |
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| 15:27.56 | scoaz | hi |
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| 15:28.26 | scoaz | Got a problem to install the libqt4-dev |
| 15:28.32 | scoaz | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
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| 15:29.50 | Gambaroni | how do I change the domain for a debian-computer? |
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| 15:30.38 | teatimeh | MrTorque: WINS != DNS. I don't think DNS is much involved in 'browsing' |
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| 15:31.30 | stew | Gambaroni: you edit /etc/hosts |
| 15:32.11 | Gambaroni | stew to like storageserver.domain.com? |
| 15:32.35 | Gambaroni | stew hosts? not hostname? |
| 15:32.44 | MrTorque | teatimeh: are you sure? i had same server, same client in other network. it worked fine. now i have some switches between server and client, but client can not see server! |
| 15:33.16 | teatimeh | MrTorque: my knowledge of windows is all quite dated. I guess it's doing broadcasts? They won't typically cross segments/subnets. |
| 15:33.32 | teatimeh | That's what having WINS helped me with; I had multiple subnets VPN'd together. |
| 15:33.48 | teatimeh | MrTorque: you tell your windows machines that their WINS server is the Samba machine, though |
| 15:33.54 | teatimeh | you also give them DNS, but it's separate |
| 15:35.32 | teatimeh | MrTorque: \\ip.ad.dr.ss\c$ <-- this will work without functional browsing |
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| 15:35.47 | teatimeh | MrTorque: \\hostname\c$ <-- this will work as long as you can resolve the name via DNS |
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| 15:37.07 | teatimeh | Gambaroni: You see a line like, "192.168.1.0 hostname hostname.example.com", change this to "192.168.1.0 hostname hostname.newdomain.info" |
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| 15:37.47 | BluesLee | hi, how can i list all installed apps and from which repo they are installed? |
| 15:38.12 | Gambaroni | teatimeh no? :P |
| 15:38.55 | alex_1 | hi all, I'm trying to change mac address like this: pre-up macchanger -A -s eth0, but it doesnt work. It worked before . what could be a reason? thanks. I run lenny btw |
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| 15:39.07 | teatimeh | Gambaroni: instead of 192.168.1.0, it'll be your IP. and the order of the short/fully-qualified names may be reversed. |
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| 15:39.35 | Gambaroni | teatimeh just find 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 15:39.48 | Gambaroni | and 127.0.0.1 storageserver |
| 15:40.17 | adb | BluesLee, dpkg -l > list ; cat list , apt-cache policy apt , etc .. |
| 15:40.18 | MrTorque | teatimeh: yes, and since i have a domain which is adressed via yfm1 (and no IP) i need \\yfm1 working :) |
| 15:40.39 | teatimeh | I don't know what that means. |
| 15:40.55 | teatimeh | Gambaroni: what does `hostname --fqdn` return? |
| 15:41.16 | Gambaroni | teatimeh storageserver |
| 15:41.42 | teatimeh | Gambaroni: did you mean like, MS Windows domain? |
| 15:41.52 | Gambaroni | teatimeh no? |
| 15:42.09 | Gambaroni | teatimeh not an AD-domain :P |
| 15:42.16 | BluesLee | adb: thanx, but dpkg -l doesnt contain any info about the repo and there is no repo info in /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 15:43.23 | BluesLee | adb: okay, the policy option may help me |
| 15:43.28 | adb | apt-cache policy packname, get repos by |
| 15:43.30 | teatimeh | Gambaroni: then you can probably add " storageserver.example.com" to the end of that line |
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| 15:44.02 | Gambaroni | teatimeh how does it setup it during installation for example? when you set a domain there.. |
| 15:44.18 | teatimeh | i don't know. |
| 15:44.38 | teatimeh | Gambaroni: pm |
| 15:44.39 | paradoxmonkey | Could something like this work to pipe command to fdisk? <<EOF > fdisk /dev/loop1 |
| 15:44.41 | paradoxmonkey | n |
| 15:44.43 | paradoxmonkey | p |
| 15:44.45 | paradoxmonkey | 1 |
| 15:44.45 | BluesLee | adb: thanx |
| 15:44.46 | paradoxmonkey | a |
| 15:44.48 | paradoxmonkey | 1 |
| 15:44.49 | paradoxmonkey | w |
| 15:44.51 | paradoxmonkey | EOF |
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| 15:47.30 | MrTorque | if i want to start bind9, i get "Unable to chdir() to 1 (No such file or directory)" |
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| 15:47.42 | MrTorque | how do i find out where this error occurs? |
| 15:49.03 | teatimeh | paradoxmonkey: I've seen it done. also, you can use 'expect'.. |
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| 15:49.40 | paradoxmonkey | teatimeh: if found it - fdisk /dev/hda >/dev/null 2>&1 <<EOF COMMANDS EOF |
| 15:49.41 | patrikf | paradoxmonkey: yeah... but then why not use sfdisk instead? |
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| 15:57.25 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: How did you install it so far? |
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| 15:57.55 | superlinux | hi |
| 15:58.02 | eagles0513875 | hey guys im just wondering what is the preferred method of virtualization on debian xen or kvm |
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| 16:00.05 | jhutchins_lt | eagles0513875: I think Debian is pretty agnostic about it. http://wiki.debian.org/SystemVirtualization |
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| 16:01.33 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: basiclly http://www.howtoforge.com/two_in_one_dns_bind9_views |
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| 16:02.13 | superlinux | how can i know from ifconfig which entry is which pci card? |
| 16:02.16 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: created internals and externals directory, changed named.conf.local and added zone info info |
| 16:02.25 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: It sounds like you've tried to set up chroot manually, but haven't completed the preocess. |
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| 16:02.44 | jhutchins_lt | MrTorque: That or you've got a typo in one of your chroot dir names. |
| 16:03.13 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: i did a one mistake, forget the last error message |
| 16:03.34 | MrTorque | i now get Starting domain name service...: bind9 failed! |
| 16:03.41 | MrTorque | but dont know why... |
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| 16:03.58 | e7th04sh | http://osdir.com/ml/debian-user-debian/2009-09/msg01668.html |
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| 16:04.23 | e7th04sh | interesting, two people had the same problem as i and they both have the same card as i Radeon 9200 SE |
| 16:04.34 | e7th04sh | what could make it perform so bad after upgrading to squeeze? |
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| 16:06.32 | MrTorque | jhutchins_lt: okay, i now get the same error as before, almost. I started bind0 with: /usr/sbin/named -g -t /var/named/run-root -c /etc/named.conf -u bind |
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| 16:23.09 | kzim | hi |
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| 16:25.23 | kzim | i want upgrade from etch t lenny but the dist-upgrade want to remove apt and libgcc1 see the pastebin http://pastebin.com/m2bd311dd |
| 16:25.30 | kzim | what can i do ? :/ |
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| 16:28.13 | abrotman | !tell kzim about etch->lenny |
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| 16:29.29 | e7th04sh | !tell e7th04sh about lenny->squeeze |
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| 16:30.38 | e7th04sh | according to my problem, i did not use aptitude but apt-get to upgrade, and i did not use safe & full upgrade, simply apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:30.48 | e7th04sh | what bad results this could have had? |
| 16:30.57 | kzim | abrotman: thanks but aptitude install aptitude tell me Les paquets suivants sont CASSÉS : |
| 16:30.57 | kzim | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.11 | kzim | mean those package will be brken , is that norma ? |
| 16:31.14 | kzim | normal |
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| 16:32.04 | kzim | apt-get upgrade simple not tell me that apt will be broken but it say everywhere to do a dist-upgrade |
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| 16:36.14 | d1b | e7th04sh: b0rked radeon driver probably. |
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| 16:36.55 | d1b | there is kms now /coming up i think |
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| 16:39.23 | abrotman | kzim: read the release notes |
| 16:39.27 | jelly-home | judd: kernels |
| 16:39.28 | judd | jelly-home: Available kernel versions are: trunk: 2.6.31-rc6-686 (2.6.31~rc6-1~experimental.1~snapshot.14160); sid: 2.6.31-1-686 (2.6.31-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-17); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-24) |
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| 16:39.45 | jelly-home | judd: why you know not 'bout '32, fool! |
| 16:39.45 | judd | jelly-home: Error: "why" is not a valid command. |
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| 16:42.10 | \amethyst | jelly-home: you could ask stew nicely to do an update :) |
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| 16:44.55 | ehnvis | jelly-home: why not build it yourself? its not that hard. |
| 16:45.01 | jelly-home | nicely don't cut it, fool! |
| 16:45.26 | jelly-home | ehnvis: I'm not complaining about it not being built. |
| 16:45.29 | kzim | abrotman: it a long text to read :) any idea what i m seaching for please ? ;/ |
| 16:45.44 | jelly-home | judd: versions linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 --release sid |
| 16:45.45 | judd | jelly-home: linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-686 -- sid: 2.6.32-2 |
| 16:45.50 | sander | <meta http-equiv="Refresh" content="0; url=http://example.com"/><-- Why isnt my firefox working with a redirect like this? |
| 16:46.10 | sander | I've tried with several pages who redirects users like that.. and none works.. same thing happend after I upgraded to ff3.5 |
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| 16:58.06 | e7th04sh | d1b, b0rked? |
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| 17:00.56 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 17:09.03 | e7th04sh | bugger himself |
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| 17:09.07 | e7th04sh | !bugger himself |
| 17:09.08 | dpkg | does unspeakable depraved things to himself, with a large lead pipe |
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| 17:13.15 | macrobat | who puts these things in dpkg :( |
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| 17:14.04 | e7th04sh | who puts those: |
| 17:14.05 | superlinux | guys I have this lan card onboard. it's defined I can see it with ifconfig, but it's not working. so what should i do? |
| 17:14.08 | e7th04sh | !communism |
| 17:14.08 | dpkg | hmm... communism is something that has nothing to do with free software or heaven on earth., or a great idea, but it never works, or "Communism deprives no man of the power to appropriate the products of society; all that it does is to deprive him of the power to subjugate the labour of others by means of such appropriations." (Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Fredrick Engels), or "yeah and capitalism is working that great isn't it? |
| 17:14.27 | superlinux | it does not take dhcp at all |
| 17:14.57 | superlinux | guys I have this lan card onboard. it's defined I can see it with ifconfig, but it's not working. so what should i do? it does not take dhcp at all.. I know and sure everything is fine on my router's side. |
| 17:15.14 | abrotman | e7th04sh: stop playing with the bot |
| 17:15.29 | superlinux | i can give it an IP though, still does not reply to pings |
| 17:16.02 | cahoot | hw faulty? |
| 17:17.00 | jelly-home | superlinux: a) does dmesg say "link up" at all? if not, cable? b) does tcpdump -ni ethX show any data coming in? |
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| 17:22.09 | superlinux | jelly-home, i have to reboot. but thanks for your hints |
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| 17:25.18 | nibby | Debian Lenny. |
| 17:25.25 | nibby | I want to switch from GNOME to KDE. |
| 17:25.27 | nibby | No idea how. |
| 17:26.00 | macrobat | !kde |
| 17:26.00 | dpkg | [kde] K Desktop Environment, based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org/ for release news and other details. Not a window manager. To get or delete KDE, ask me about <install kde> or <remove kde> respectively. Ask your KDE questions in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), see also <kde_trouble>. http://wiki.debian.org/KDE KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
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| 17:26.42 | macrobat | !tell nibby about install kde |
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| 17:28.16 | nibby | Thanks macrobat |
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| 17:29.56 | macrobat | nibby: im not sure about the versions of kde, maybe lenny still uses kde3 |
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| 17:34.09 | peteweez | Can anybody explain why gtk+ apps load slower if my internet connection is slow and take forever to load if I have no internet connection? |
| 17:34.39 | AimHere | ALL gtk apps? |
| 17:34.47 | paradoxmonkey | Is grub stage 1.5 mandatory? |
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| 17:34.54 | peteweez | AimHere: seems so. |
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| 17:35.03 | peteweez | Not even internet-related apps |
| 17:35.13 | peteweez | Actually wait it's not just gtk apps |
| 17:35.21 | peteweez | Because IIRC VLC is not gtk |
| 17:35.23 | peteweez | it's qt |
| 17:35.40 | peteweez | So it's basically any app that has to open a window in X |
| 17:36.01 | reto` | with gnome? |
| 17:36.05 | peteweez | yessir |
| 17:36.28 | peteweez | But with VLC, it's odd…if I double-click on a song in Nautilus, the song will begin playing, but the VLC window won't open for another 10 seconds or so |
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| 17:36.42 | peteweez | I don't seem to have this problem with a fast internet connection |
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| 17:36.48 | sdi | what about mpg123 |
| 17:36.56 | peteweez | Isn't that CLI? |
| 17:37.04 | sdi | yeah |
| 17:37.05 | AimHere | You've not gone and misconfigured X so that it's trying to do everything over the internet? |
| 17:37.23 | peteweez | AimHere: I have no idea because I'm far too lazy to screw with my X config |
| 17:37.34 | peteweez | I only configured the monitor and video driver |
| 17:37.50 | peteweez | sdi: CLI apps are not affected |
| 17:37.55 | peteweez | only GUI apps |
| 17:38.04 | sdi | hm |
| 17:38.13 | peteweez | gedit and gnome-terminal tend to take a long time when I'm having this problem |
| 17:38.18 | macrobat | how about starting gui stuff from the terminal? |
| 17:38.30 | peteweez | usually the same problem |
| 17:38.33 | peteweez | I thought of that |
| 17:38.33 | macrobat | ok |
| 17:38.45 | peteweez | It seems to do with drawing the window |
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| 17:39.58 | peteweez | It seems to me like there's some kind of DNS lookup involved in creating a new window |
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| 17:40.28 | peteweez | The time it takes to draw a new window if I have no internet connection is roughly equal to the time a page load timeout would take… |
| 17:40.30 | peteweez | (I think) |
| 17:40.46 | AimHere | peteweez, what does 'ps aux|grep X' say? |
| 17:40.57 | peteweez | one moment… |
| 17:40.59 | AimHere | Just the line with /usr/bin/X, don't spam the chat |
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| 17:41.20 | peteweez | yeah not into flooding |
| 17:41.20 | dechang | hi |
| 17:41.41 | dechang | wanna ask, is that possible to use the first DVD debian to install like mini netinst.iso? |
| 17:41.42 | peteweez | AimHere: Which instance? There are two |
| 17:41.57 | AimHere | Two? |
| 17:42.00 | AimHere | Hmm |
| 17:42.01 | abrotman | dechang: sure .. just don't select anything with tasksel |
| 17:42.02 | peteweez | yessir |
| 17:42.09 | peteweez | pastebin? |
| 17:42.32 | AimHere | If you like. Or post one then the other, but with a few seconds between |
| 17:42.33 | dechang | don't select anything with tasksel?? how? |
| 17:42.40 | AimHere | I think dpkg is okay with two lines of spammage |
| 17:43.02 | peteweez | Heck I've given ~4 before |
| 17:43.11 | dechang | hmm, like after i boot the DVD, i come with the installer boot menu |
| 17:43.18 | AimHere | The bot must have been hungover that day |
| 17:43.24 | dechang | so, what should i do to get into cmd mode?, abrotman |
| 17:43.50 | dechang | if i Ctrl + C, then i come to a black screen with boot: |
| 17:44.11 | abrotman | dechang: if you odn't install anything with tasksel, you'll only have the CLI |
| 17:44.22 | peteweez | The bot is always hungover |
| 17:44.42 | abrotman | AimHere: it's not dpkg, it's debhelper |
| 17:44.42 | peteweez | http://pastebin.com/d104f6b7c |
| 17:44.44 | dechang | but, howw would i go to the CLI mode? abrotman |
| 17:44.51 | abrotman | dechang: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 17:45.00 | dechang | ok, trying |
| 17:45.11 | objorn | abrotman: i wasn't fscked, all i needed to do was comment out a line in my sources.list to install gramps |
| 17:45.20 | objorn | recall, i had dependency issues |
| 17:45.26 | objorn | just thought i would update you and the channel |
| 17:45.44 | abrotman | objorn: your machine is still a mix four different distros |
| 17:46.55 | AimHere | I was thinking that nolisten tcp option was switched off |
| 17:47.11 | peteweez | I have no idea what that is, but that makes sense |
| 17:47.24 | peteweez | Why are there two instances, btw |
| 17:47.28 | peteweez | (not that it's important) |
| 17:47.42 | AimHere | That's what's confusing me. You got two screens? |
| 17:47.46 | peteweez | no |
| 17:47.58 | peteweez | I would think that would be for a multi-screen config |
| 17:48.04 | peteweez | Oh! |
| 17:48.13 | peteweez | It's a laptop |
| 17:48.34 | peteweez | It has a single screen. It also has a DVI output and an HDMI output |
| 17:48.52 | peteweez | Nothing is plugged into those jacks…but perhaps the computer is still driving them |
| 17:49.03 | peteweez | Not important; just a point of curiosity. |
| 17:49.16 | AimHere | Indeed. |
| 17:49.30 | reto` | how about killing one a see what happens? |
| 17:50.03 | peteweez | reto`: You're rather fearless, aren't you? |
| 17:50.22 | peteweez | And what if I kill the wrong one? |
| 17:50.40 | reto` | peteweez: well... you will probably get to gdm |
| 17:50.50 | peteweez | Yeah it'll reload |
| 17:51.03 | peteweez | I'll get kicked off of my IRC client tho |
| 17:51.08 | peteweez | Which pid would you recommend? |
| 17:51.13 | peteweez | The older one or the newer oen |
| 17:51.15 | peteweez | *one |
| 17:51.18 | reto` | peteweez: maybe use a cli irc client on the console to test? |
| 17:51.28 | peteweez | I think I have one |
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| 17:52.31 | peteweez | alright one moment |
| 17:52.47 | reto` | peteweez: maybe you can use htop to see which X is getting used |
| 17:52.58 | peteweez | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.04 | reto` | then top |
| 17:53.11 | peteweez | Yeah I'll just apt-get it |
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| 17:53.32 | peteweez | I also have gnome-system-monitor |
| 17:53.36 | peteweez | but what am I looking for |
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| 17:54.01 | peteweez | Oh wait I figured it out |
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| 17:54.26 | peteweez | When I move windows, one of the X instances' CPU usage spikes |
| 17:54.30 | peteweez | the other remains at zero |
| 17:54.35 | peteweez | so2026 |
| 17:54.43 | peteweez | *so… |
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| 17:54.53 | reto` | maybe it want change anything though... |
| 17:55.04 | peteweez | I doubt it will but it's good to know anyway |
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| 17:55.20 | peteweez | Alright it's killed |
| 17:55.21 | peteweez | no problems |
| 17:55.41 | kdasdasf | hi i have a program running under the user x with group y, now the program wants to chroot into a directory but receives the EPERM error. I read that you need the CHROOT capapility to do this. so how do you assign a user that capability? |
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| 17:56.22 | kdasdasf | i don't want to invoke the program as root |
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| 17:57.44 | reto` | kdasdasf: you could use sudo... but then the program would have to call sudo |
| 17:58.10 | reto` | hmm... I might be wrong also |
| 17:58.39 | kdasdasf | hmm i know you can limit sudo to not giving the caller full root rights but i don't know how to limit it to the chroot capability |
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| 18:02.04 | peteweez | OK guys well thanks for your help |
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| 18:02.08 | peteweez | I'll try to fix this some other time |
| 18:02.18 | reto` | kdasdasf: shouldn't be that hard with sudo... I've never did exactly what you want but you could deny anything except /usr/sbin/chroot |
| 18:02.48 | reto` | kdasdasf: and also make chroot executable without a password if you want to |
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| 18:03.36 | reto` | I would 'man sudo' but I haven't got it on my machine here |
| 18:03.46 | kdasdasf | reto, that doesn't really seem safe ^^ |
| 18:04.00 | reto` | what? |
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| 18:04.29 | kdasdasf | calling the chroot executalbe when there's a chroot syscall |
| 18:04.48 | kdasdasf | moreover i would have to somehow magically know there the chroot executable resides |
| 18:05.35 | reto` | well... just some ideas... what do you mean? you don't know where chroot is? |
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| 18:13.21 | kdasdasf | reto`, the location of the chroot executable is system dependent afaik |
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| 18:19.15 | jelly-home | kdasdasf: it'll always be at the same place in Debian. |
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| 18:20.49 | alreadygone | hi, can you compile packages on Debian from source code? |
| 18:21.06 | azeem_ | sure |
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| 18:21.45 | alreadygone | ok, can you compile 32 bit software on a debian for amd64? |
| 18:22.03 | azeem_ | yes, in a chroot |
| 18:22.23 | alreadygone | I have a 3g usb device for internet and its driver is only available in 32 bit. |
| 18:22.34 | alreadygone | in a chroot? ehat is that? |
| 18:22.37 | ZeZu | uh |
| 18:22.38 | jmichaelx | i recently did an installation of squeeze using the netinstall cd, and using ext4 as my fs. after the installation, things went well until i let the PC idle for a time. when i came back, apps would not open, and finally the PC was unresponsive. i hard rebooted, and found that the file system had been corrupted. i re-installed the root filesystem, only to have the same problem occur a few days later. are there any known issues with squeeze using ext4 right |
| 18:22.38 | jmichaelx | now? |
| 18:22.42 | PinkFreud | alreadygone: a kernel driver? |
| 18:22.45 | abrotman | alreadygone: it's probably binary only |
| 18:22.47 | ZeZu | well chroot is easily google'd |
| 18:22.52 | ZeZu | but you can use -m32 as well |
| 18:23.00 | ZeZu | but it needs some package, that contains libs |
| 18:23.02 | ZeZu | i forget |
| 18:23.06 | azeem_ | alreadygone: so which package do you want to build? |
| 18:23.11 | abrotman | still won't work if it's binary only ? |
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| 18:23.22 | metalfan___ | hi |
| 18:23.34 | metalfan___ | whats the reverse of "aptitude install zeroc-ice" ? |
| 18:23.35 | alreadygone | can I give you the link for the driver and you guys can check it... ? |
| 18:23.39 | azeem_ | no |
| 18:23.42 | abrotman | metalfan___: man aptitude |
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| 18:23.54 | ZeZu | you can't run a 32b driver on amd64 linux |
| 18:23.57 | metalfan___ | i want to get rid off all the deps that were installed in the process |
| 18:24.00 | ZeZu | (that i know of) |
| 18:24.08 | jelly-home | jmichaelx: there are known issues with kernels lower than 2.6.32.1 or so, and that includes the one in squeeze |
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| 18:24.09 | ZeZu | could be wrong there, but it doesn't make any snese |
| 18:24.12 | ZeZu | sense* |
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| 18:24.29 | metalfan___ | abrotman, yes theres remove...but it wont catch all the deps |
| 18:24.47 | abrotman | it should if you installed it with aptitude |
| 18:25.22 | jmichaelx | jelly-home: thanks for the info. using the present default kernel, would i be better off to just re-install using ext3? |
| 18:25.27 | reto` | metalfan___: how about apt-get? |
| 18:25.32 | alreadygone | in slackware64 13.0 you can install multilib package if you want to compile 32 bit software, so that's why I asked. multilib is not an official package bye the way... |
| 18:25.43 | jelly-home | jmichaelx: if it's going to be a production system, yes |
| 18:25.44 | ZeZu | its not ? |
| 18:25.50 | abrotman | reto`: aptitude should do it |
| 18:25.57 | reto` | metalfan___: apt-get remove package; apt-get autoremove |
| 18:26.14 | abrotman | if aptitude isn't doing it, something is wrong |
| 18:26.20 | ZeZu | anyhow yes you can use multilib, which is what i was saying, but still your not going to run a 32b kernel mode driver in amd64 linux |
| 18:26.29 | abrotman | !ia32-libs |
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| 18:26.36 | reto` | abrotman: is aptitude removing everything unlike apt-get sometimes? |
| 18:26.37 | abrotman | bleh .. something like that |
| 18:26.45 | azeem_ | 19:22 < azeem_> alreadygone: so which package do you want to build? |
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| 18:26.51 | abrotman | reto`: huh ? aptitude should already magically do that |
| 18:27.16 | alreadygone | can I give you the link? it's driver for my 3G USB internet device. |
| 18:27.20 | reto` | abrotman: well then it's fine... I was not sure |
| 18:27.24 | jmichaelx | jelly-home: this is just a home file-server/web-server, but i think for me it may be worthwhile just switching to ext3, since this has happened twice. right now i am kind of hoping to leave /home as it is, but ext4, but use ext3 in /. |
| 18:27.27 | azeem_ | alreadygone: what do you mean with driver? |
| 18:27.30 | metalfan___ | reto`, abrotman sry my fault |
| 18:27.40 | azeem_ | you said you had the driver in 32bit and wanted to build a 32bit package |
| 18:27.51 | jmichaelx | with ext4* |
| 18:28.30 | alreadygone | that's right |
| 18:28.31 | alreadygone | in debian 64 bit |
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| 18:28.56 | reto` | jmichaelx: I doubt it's the fault of ext4... I have ext4 on several systems and it works good... the corruption has likely been caused by the lockup |
| 18:29.19 | alreadygone | thanks ZeZu for your help... |
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| 18:30.20 | PinkFreud | alreadygone: drivers are typically kernel modules. you can compile and run 32 bit software on a 64 bit system by doing so in a 32 bit chroot. however, if you're goiong to use a 32 bit kernel driver, you *must* have a 32 bit kernel. |
| 18:30.35 | ZeZu | alreadygone, no prob. might find some reasonable way past all this, else it may just be easiest to install a 32b version of debian if it is a b inary only driver |
| 18:30.36 | jmichaelx | reto`: i see. would your recommendation be to just switch back to stable/lenny? |
| 18:30.42 | PinkFreud | alreadygone: it doesn't matter what distribution you run - 32 bit kernel drivers only work with 32 bit kernels. |
| 18:31.08 | ZeZu | ir: your building .o/.a into a driver, not building .c/cpp files ... |
| 18:31.13 | ZeZu | ie:* |
| 18:31.25 | alreadygone | ok got it. Thank you PinkFreud and ZeZu. I appreciate it. |
| 18:31.32 | ZeZu | np |
| 18:31.58 | PinkFreud | np |
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| 18:34.20 | reto` | jmichaelx: well... you could try it again with ext3, if it works you would at least be sure of the cause |
| 18:34.56 | jelly-home | reto`: I've seen ext4 corruption and bugs with 2.6.30 and 2.6.31. |
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| 18:35.16 | jelly-home | (and definitely with older kernels) |
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| 18:35.47 | reto` | jelly-home: yeah, that might be... I use ext4 on my arch linux systems... |
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| 18:36.06 | reto` | and they have kernel .31 |
| 18:36.47 | jmichaelx | i am also using ext4 on serveral systems, with no problem, but those are ubuntu and fedora machines. |
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| 18:38.58 | jaggz | any shell command which outputs pid from command name? like: showpid firefox-bin |
| 18:39.19 | jaggz | something standard instead of fiddling with ps's format options and such |
| 18:39.48 | paradoxmonkey | How can I make this work: if [ dirname "$response" = "$DIRECTORY" ]; then |
| 18:40.02 | paradoxmonkey | it gives me a too many parameters error |
| 18:41.08 | petemc | jaggz: pidof |
| 18:41.18 | jelly-home | paradoxmonkey: the test has to at least look like [ $(dirname "$response") = "$DIRECTORY" ] |
| 18:42.11 | abrotman | paradoxmonkey: you might want to try #bash |
| 18:43.26 | paradoxmonkey | jelly-home: thx :) |
| 18:43.29 | jelly-home | paradoxmonkey: also doublequote the whole $(...), [ "$(dirname "$response")" = "$DIRECTORY" ] |
| 18:43.59 | jelly-home | paradoxmonkey: see what happens when directory has a space in the name. |
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| 18:46.38 | jaggz | petemc, thanks.. finally after 15 years I get to know that command |
| 18:47.00 | jelly-home | jaggz: also, pgrep |
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| 18:48.23 | jelly-home | jaggz: and its cousin pkill if you want to kill it |
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| 18:50.09 | jelly-home | jaggz: eg. an launcher icon that kills a browser gone wild and starts it again: sh -c "pkill -9 firefox-bin; sleep 1; exec /opt/firefox/firefox" |
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| 18:53.04 | eshat | what ist a "trunk" kernel? |
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| 18:55.11 | poisonbit | eshat, I think it's from the debian 'svn' |
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| 18:56.51 | poisonbit | eshat, maybe that build tools that use svn for that package, adds the name, or maybe the mantainers, I don't know |
| 18:57.08 | superlinux | jelly-home, hi. I hope you are still on and still remember my last question about my LAN card. |
| 18:57.25 | eshat | poisonbit: hmm i ll ask google, thanks |
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| 18:58.25 | poisonbit | eshat, "trunk" is a term that should be in the svn documentation or wikipedia |
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| 18:58.56 | superlinux | now I connected a straight-through cable between my card and a switch. the switch does not show "link" light as on. does that mean the card 's is in a bad situation? |
| 18:59.35 | poisonbit | eshat, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trunk_(software) |
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| 18:59.45 | eshat | thanks |
| 18:59.52 | jelly-home | superlinux: dmesg|grep eth? |
| 18:59.59 | abrotman | eshat: there's an email on the debian-kernel list if oyu realyl want to know |
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| 19:00.15 | superlinux | jelly-home, just a moment |
| 19:00.22 | reto` | superlinux: is the orange light blinking on the network plug? (at the computer) |
| 19:00.31 | poisonbit | superlinux, try other ports of the switch, or try the same port with other device, validate the cable also, and maybe is your card |
| 19:00.43 | poisonbit | s/cable/cord/ |
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| 19:00.52 | poisonbit | spanglish |
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| 19:02.30 | superlinux | what i know already: when i connected it to the router directly it did not show link light as on. and when i connected it to the router through a switch; on the switch it did not show the link-light as on too. |
| 19:02.47 | superlinux | i have a feeling that my card is busted. and is on-board card |
| 19:03.11 | jelly-home | it sounds like a possibility |
| 19:03.28 | \amethyst | superlinux: have you tried a different cable? |
| 19:03.44 | \amethyst | oh, poisonbit already suggested that |
| 19:04.20 | superlinux | all other devices are fine no dust on them |
| 19:04.38 | superlinux | nothing to complain against them |
| 19:05.05 | poisonbit | is "cable good english as network cord rj45? |
| 19:05.30 | poisonbit | I think it was a aspanish only word |
| 19:05.33 | initmax | hi all! who is use openbox? |
| 19:06.05 | superlinux | yeah yaeh it's good english. i am a masters in I.T. but ask cos it might be linux driver thing |
| 19:06.08 | jaggz | hmm.. I always used killall |
| 19:06.10 | i37net | hi there. does anyone know why 'apt-get install foo' returnes 'additional disk space will be used' much higher than the install size specified for that package on debian website? |
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| 19:06.25 | abrotman | i37net: installation of additional packages? |
| 19:06.28 | abrotman | put it in a pastebin |
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| 19:06.40 | jaggz | decompressed total of data + additional packages? |
| 19:07.02 | superlinux | poisonbit, just a moment brb to ask mom. |
| 19:07.16 | jaggz | oh wait, pd says that's the install size.. hmm.. then just the additional packages.. sorry I chimed in. |
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| 19:08.20 | superlinux | mom tells me that it's busted. |
| 19:08.36 | superlinux | but i'll see on windows. brb after reboot |
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| 19:08.59 | jelly-home | when in doubt, ask mom |
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| 19:10.32 | i37net | abrotman: jaggz: thanks. |
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| 19:16.33 | superlinux | i am back |
| 19:16.44 | superlinux | yes IT IS busted |
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| 19:17.19 | paradoxmonkey | in a raw image file how much would the MBR and the partition table take up in bytes? |
| 19:17.19 | encrypttp | how to i install brctl? |
| 19:17.20 | superlinux | same thing on windows. it is defined. and link light is not on |
| 19:17.30 | poisonbit | encrypttp, bridge-utils |
| 19:17.50 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, 512b |
| 19:17.54 | poisonbit | B |
| 19:18.12 | encrypttp | ty poisonbit |
| 19:18.28 | poisonbit | dd if=/dev/sda of=/backups/my.mbr count=1 bs=512 |
| 19:19.06 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: thx |
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| 19:24.12 | bobo_b | hi |
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| 19:25.59 | bobo_b | does anyone have an idea why my debian squeeze wants to install 630 updates all the sudden? including several conflicts |
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| 19:26.18 | bobo_b | aptitude -s upgrade starts by resolving dependencies for minutes |
| 19:26.32 | poisonbit | bobo_b, when was the last time you did a upgrade ? |
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| 19:27.18 | bobo_b | poisonbit: 4 weeks ago maybe? haven't used it for a while... |
| 19:27.23 | poisonbit | squeeze is not frozen at this moment, so it changes every day |
| 19:27.48 | bobo_b | poisonbit: oh, might as well have been in may, since i was gone for the summer and i can't remember if i upgraded since |
| 19:28.00 | poisonbit | do you have more repos that *debian.org repos too ? |
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| 19:29.15 | bobo_b | poisonbit: i have the standard and security, both with "main non-free contrib" |
| 19:29.35 | goose[PC] | I'm sure this is a nooby question, but which one do I download? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 19:30.04 | poisonbit | bobo_b, A good, then take it easy, go doing upgrades, safe upgrades, etc and resolving dependecy problems... see if any package that you need is going to be uninstalled, and when all is ok an upgraded, reinstall your loosed packages |
| 19:30.20 | bobo_b | goose[PC]: first one should be enough |
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| 19:30.31 | bobo_b | goose[PC]: debian-503-i386-CD-1.iso |
| 19:30.52 | goose[PC] | thank you bobo_b |
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| 19:31.38 | bobo_b | poisonbit: there are weird packages remove though, like samba-common and xorg-docs |
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| 19:31.51 | bobo_b | also, there are going to be 950 mb downloaded... |
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| 19:32.57 | poisonbit | bobo_b, you can Ctrl+c when _downloading_ and launch other day and continue |
| 19:33.23 | bobo_b | poisonbit: it's not about that, just seems weird :-) |
| 19:33.42 | bobo_b | but thanks anyway, i'm just gonna do the upgrade and see if i still have a system left after that... |
| 19:33.43 | poisonbit | lives in a lenny world |
| 19:34.34 | bobo_b | bravely tried squeeze on his notebook and might regret it... |
| 19:35.35 | poisonbit | bobo_b, when I had more time and was every day playing with debian, using testing/sid/experimental etc I had a local debian _mirror_ at home... that was really cool :) |
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| 19:36.52 | poisonbit | you can format a machine, or build a livecd in just some minuttes |
| 19:36.54 | bobo_b | poisonbit: definately worth it if you have multiple machines and a slow connection |
| 19:37.09 | poisonbit | yes it worths it |
| 19:37.28 | bobo_b | poisonbit: but we get 3 mbit here, so no worries :-) |
| 19:37.44 | poisonbit | eheh |
| 19:38.03 | bobo_b | oh wait |
| 19:38.07 | bobo_b | it's 30 mbit |
| 19:38.32 | poisonbit | cool |
| 19:38.32 | abrotman | bobo_b|brb: approx/apt-cacher/apt-proxy are probably better |
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| 19:41.08 | poisonbit | really better if the problem is slow connection |
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| 19:41.27 | poisonbit | rsync of mirrors needs resorces |
| 19:41.31 | poisonbit | resources |
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| 19:43.46 | encrypttp | ive created a bridge called br0 between eth0 and eth1.. it is working ok, i can earch the final server.. how can i control the firewall? is it under the FORWARD chain of iptables? |
| 19:44.08 | poisonbit | encrypttp, see ebtables |
| 19:44.17 | poisonbit | it is for br interfaces |
| 19:45.02 | encrypttp | ahhh thanks poisonbit |
| 19:45.15 | poisonbit | you can do cool things with that |
| 19:45.25 | encrypttp | so iptables cant do nothing? |
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| 19:45.54 | poisonbit | iptales can do some things |
| 19:46.12 | poisonbit | but if you want to control "into" the br, you need ebtables |
| 19:46.38 | encrypttp | lets say i want to drop all requests on port 80.. can iptables do it? just using forward chain? |
| 19:46.49 | encrypttp | just regular rules.. |
| 19:46.54 | poisonbit | where is the ip of "port 80" ? |
| 19:46.59 | encrypttp | behind firewall |
| 19:47.00 | poisonbit | eth0? br0? eth1? |
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| 19:47.04 | encrypttp | eth1 |
| 19:47.20 | poisonbit | you can drop port 80 in the ip of eth1 |
| 19:47.45 | encrypttp | on input, forward or output? err |
| 19:48.00 | poisonbit | a request, use to be INPUT |
| 19:48.05 | encrypttp | ahh ok |
| 19:48.09 | encrypttp | got it now i think then.. thanks! |
| 19:48.37 | poisonbit | encrypttp, you can use tcpdump, to analize what each interface "see" |
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| 19:48.55 | poisonbit | tcpdump -n -i eth0 port 80 |
| 19:48.59 | poisonbit | tcpdump -n -i eth1 port 80 |
| 19:49.05 | poisonbit | br0... etc |
| 19:50.22 | poisonbit | encrypttp, ebtables, is for transparent bridges (no IP in the interfaces and br) |
| 19:50.33 | encrypttp | yes i dont have ip in the interfaces |
| 19:50.47 | poisonbit | then you have a transparent bridge |
| 19:50.47 | encrypttp | so iptables wont work anyways right? |
| 19:50.50 | encrypttp | yes |
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| 19:51.08 | poisonbit | then all traffic on eth1 is seen in eth2 and the other side too |
| 19:51.21 | poisonbit | eth0 or whatever |
| 19:51.41 | encrypttp | so can iptables filter anything? |
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| 19:51.51 | poisonbit | then you should read/test/implement ebtables + iptables |
| 19:51.58 | poisonbit | it is documented innetfilter.org |
| 19:52.05 | poisonbit | netfilter.org |
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| 19:52.31 | encrypttp | hmm when i set default policy on FORWARD to DROP, it really dropped |
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| 19:53.10 | abrotman | #netfilter might be more help |
| 19:53.18 | encrypttp | oh thanks! |
| 19:53.40 | markybob | might being the keyword...i'm not sure i ever had one of my questions there answered :P |
| 19:53.55 | markybob | i've found the mailing list to be more helpful |
| 19:54.18 | poisonbit | encrypttp, the idea in iptables in transparent bridges, is that you've to base rules in -o and -i using -m physdev |
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| 19:54.42 | poisonbit | but ebtables will give you thwe real power |
| 19:54.54 | poisonbit | to do filtering, nat, etc at MAC address level |
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| 19:55.55 | encrypttp | ok thanks so much! |
| 19:56.53 | poisonbit | encrypttp, you can do more cool things like: br0.214 = bond0.214 + tap0.214 |
| 19:57.14 | poisonbit | bridge a vlan from a redundant local interface, and a openvpn, remote interface |
| 19:57.45 | poisonbit | the do the same in the other end, and there you have your vlans bridged between two datacenters, over openvpn |
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| 19:58.11 | odla | how can i write a .iso to a usb device so that i can boot from it? |
| 19:58.33 | poisonbit | odla, is the debian installer in usb? |
| 19:59.00 | odla | poisonbit, i am not sure of the question ... but i want to use this http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ ... to install debian |
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| 19:59.05 | odla | i need a newer kernel b/c of hardware |
| 19:59.24 | poisonbit | yes, that is a powered debian installer, so you can follow the oficial instructions |
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| 19:59.38 | odla | poisonbit, can you point me to them? |
| 19:59.42 | markybob | odla, you can use unetbootin if you'd prefer. http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:59.43 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 19:59.43 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 19:59.44 | poisonbit | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
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| 20:02.27 | poisonbit | odla, be careful about the device name... I've seen broken machines for missusing sda, sdb, etc with dd :) |
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| 20:03.02 | odla | so boot.img.gz is in the *.iso? |
| 20:03.07 | poisonbit | no |
| 20:03.10 | odla | oh |
| 20:03.21 | poisonbit | you need to copy the iso file, after the dd thing |
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| 20:03.48 | poisonbit | well, I don't remember on kmuto, but that is in the d-i |
| 20:03.51 | odla | ok i don't see any of that here ... http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 |
| 20:04.12 | poisonbit | 4.3.2.2. Adding the installer image |
| 20:04.32 | poisonbit | "If you used an hd-media image, you should now copy a Debian ISO image.... blabla " |
| 20:05.20 | odla | i see |
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| 20:06.14 | poisonbit | some times, 5 minuttes of reading the favulous manual, avoid 5 hours of trys, errors and research |
| 20:06.22 | poisonbit | :) |
| 20:06.31 | smacnay | What is the better "twitter" client for linux? I don't really want facebook and other social networking protocols. I am trying twitux and it seems ok... are there others? |
| 20:07.00 | poisonbit | smacnay, I don't use, but I thing there are some for console (command line) |
| 20:07.29 | poisonbit | but I don't know what are the best |
| 20:07.36 | odla | poisonbit, can i literally cp *.iso /mnt ? |
| 20:07.56 | poisonbit | * ? you only need one iso, tab tab |
| 20:08.13 | abrotman | odla: that's not what it says |
| 20:08.37 | odla | abrotman, after i've zcat'ed ... ""copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it |
| 20:08.37 | smacnay | poisonbit, thanks |
| 20:08.51 | abrotman | odla: ah, yes that part |
| 20:09.16 | odla | abrotman, thanks |
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| 20:09.41 | odla | ok here goes ;) |
| 20:10.02 | poisonbit | smacnay, apt-cache searchs for: python-twyt, twitux, python-twitter but I've see perl and other scripts in internet |
| 20:10.13 | superlinux | guys! curiosity only, is there a tera-bits per second lan card? |
| 20:10.50 | poisonbit | I haven't see or listen of one |
| 20:11.00 | Sergio` | Excuse me but where can I learn about how to read manpages like searching for strings, navigating and so? man man teaches me only the arguments and expressions. |
| 20:11.21 | poisonbit | man -k whatever |
| 20:11.24 | poisonbit | man man |
| 20:11.49 | Sergio` | man -k is equal to apropos -r, not what I need. |
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| 20:12.03 | poisonbit | xman ? |
| 20:12.10 | superlinux | poisonbit, there is the "-K" (capital K is intentional) is not usually compiled in debian |
| 20:12.28 | abrotman | Sergio`: zgrep -R ? |
| 20:12.52 | superlinux | it goes deeper , searching inside man articles |
| 20:12.57 | poisonbit | stop |
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| 20:13.07 | poisonbit | searching for strings and navigate, is $PAGER |
| 20:13.15 | poisonbit | less, more, most, etc |
| 20:13.19 | poisonbit | man that |
| 20:13.37 | poisonbit | by default: /search |
| 20:14.03 | Sergio` | Thanks, that was it. |
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| 20:14.41 | poisonbit | If you want "colour man pages" use export PAGER="/usr/bin/most" in your bashrc (and apt-get install most) |
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| 20:14.52 | odla | how long should that zcat command take? |
| 20:14.57 | abrotman | i thought he wanted to search all man pages for a certain string |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | odla: depends on the device in question |
| 20:15.16 | odla | abrotman, minutes or seconds? |
| 20:15.19 | poisonbit | odla, depends on usb 1.0, 2.0 or 3.0? |
| 20:15.21 | superlinux | poisonbit, ok. that's new. thanks |
| 20:15.27 | odla | poisonbit, 2 |
| 20:15.31 | paradoxmonkey | Running losetup /dev/loop1 /myimage.raw and then fdisk /dev/loop1 doesn't work. It says I must set cylinders. How do I make it work? |
| 20:15.39 | abrotman | odla: a minute or two usually |
| 20:16.08 | abrotman | assuming both sides are usb2 |
| 20:16.26 | odla | and the device should be umounted? |
| 20:16.51 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, use 'o' in fdisk, then 'w' and then fdisk again ? |
| 20:16.57 | abrotman | sounds like oyu used the wrong device |
| 20:17.13 | poisonbit | oh oh |
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| 20:17.21 | odla | no i used the right device |
| 20:17.28 | odla | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.04 | poisonbit | you can see watch -n1 'vmstat -d' |
| 20:18.11 | poisonbit | to view I/O like top |
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| 20:18.54 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: nop didn't work |
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| 20:19.12 | ioka | how do i change the screen size in the ternimal? |
| 20:19.35 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, I think i get some msg about "cilynders" always... have you try to 'n' then 'p' etc ? |
| 20:20.10 | poisonbit | ioka, terminal is tty or xterm? |
| 20:20.37 | poisonbit | if tty, you van try the vga=NNN boot parameter, where NNN is a framebuffer resolution |
| 20:20.49 | poisonbit | S/van/can/ |
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| 20:21.17 | poisonbit | e.g. vga=792 is 1024x768 |
| 20:21.39 | ioka | xterm |
| 20:21.57 | odla | hmm ... it's still going |
| 20:22.00 | ioka | can u do tty too? |
| 20:22.06 | poisonbit | well to change the xterm 'size' resice your xterm |
| 20:22.13 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: but then I get a unbootable image |
| 20:22.18 | ioka | no |
| 20:22.26 | ioka | the xorg |
| 20:22.27 | Argafal | poisonbit: what is 1280x768? ;) |
| 20:22.33 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, do you set the bootable flag in fdisk ? |
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| 20:23.12 | poisonbit | Argafal, there is a program to list the modes, i don't remember hwinfo --framebuffer or something like |
| 20:23.17 | Argafal | thanks. |
| 20:23.23 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: the thing is that I can't do "n" in fdisk |
| 20:23.54 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: it just lets me know "You must set cylinders." |
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| 20:25.09 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, which device are you fdisking ? |
| 20:25.30 | Argafal | poisonbit: exactly as you said, hwinfo --framebuffer =) |
| 20:25.31 | poisonbit | it should be /dev/loopN, by default loop0 |
| 20:25.56 | poisonbit | Argafal, lenovo is the reason to know the command... 1280x800 fb xD |
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| 20:26.15 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: I'm fdisking /dev/loop1 on which I mounted my raw image |
| 20:26.50 | poisonbit | perfect |
| 20:26.55 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: which by the way is created using dd |
| 20:26.55 | reto` | paradoxmonkey: what do you want to do? |
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| 20:27.35 | paradoxmonkey | reto`: create a partition on the mounted raw image |
| 20:27.54 | aixenv | hey guys, is there a way to determine interface uptime ? |
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| 20:28.02 | aixenv | separate from"w" |
| 20:28.18 | reto` | paradoxmonkey: have you triedt (g)parted? |
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| 20:28.30 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, did you use a bs= for image creation ? |
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| 20:28.33 | aixenv | as far as i know there's no way to get an uptime on just an interface |
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| 20:28.42 | poisonbit | bs=512 or bs=1024 |
| 20:29.10 | paradoxmonkey | reto`: since it's gone be used in a sh script gparted is no good |
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| 20:30.00 | paradoxmonkey | posinonbit: I used dd if=/dev/zero of=/raw.img bs=1 count=100000 |
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| 20:30.06 | poisonbit | aixenv, yo can know RX and TX bytes since ifup'ed |
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| 20:30.24 | reto` | paradoxmonkey: well then try parted |
| 20:30.31 | jhutchins_lt | aixenv: Ask the question differently. What do you want to know? |
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| 20:30.35 | poisonbit | aixenv, no "uptime" but ifconfig statistics are sinze the interface is up |
| 20:30.49 | aixenv | poisonbit: ah yea i was thinking that.. ok i was wondering if there was any other way, that's good enough |
| 20:31.02 | poisonbit | /proc/net/dev |
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| 20:31.12 | poisonbit | and your favourite perl regexp |
| 20:31.38 | pwned | when setting multiple layouts, my xorg.conf doesn't work, but setxkblayout works, is this a common problem or am I doing something wrong with the xorg.conf file? Keyboard section: http://pastebin.com/d2a8db47f |
| 20:31.40 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: using bs=512 or bs=1024 make no difference |
| 20:32.00 | aixenv | jhutchins: basically we had a server report host down, and i wanted to try and determine if it might be a switch failure as opposed to the actual server losing eth |
| 20:32.02 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, can you paste the related lines of the script ? |
| 20:32.17 | poisonbit | paste.debian.net or pastie.org |
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| 20:33.29 | jhutchins_lt | aixenv: dmesg & logs should have some info, but to be active in the future you need to set up some kind of monitoring like nagios, and I don't know that outside the logs you could really tell between a NIC failing and a port on the switch failing. You can deduce a whole switch failing if you're monitoring multiple devices on the switch. |
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| 20:33.46 | aixenv | jhutchins: we do have nagios and munin setup |
| 20:33.59 | poisonbit | switch logs count |
| 20:34.13 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: http://pastie.org/751030 |
| 20:34.17 | jhutchins_lt | I have a program tucked away somewhere that monitors a connection and starts logging if it goes down, for measuring percentage uptime of an ISP link. |
| 20:34.21 | aixenv | jhutchins: but it's also plausible it could be 1 or 2 ports on a switch, im also leaning towards it being the lb |
| 20:34.36 | jhutchins_lt | poisonbit: If it logs. |
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| 20:35.03 | oso3000 | does anyone know a way of connecting my (debian) laptop via usb (as an external usb drive) to my tv / media player? |
| 20:35.29 | jhutchins_lt | aixenv: If it's the card, you should see something in the log. If the port actually went down, you should see "link down". |
| 20:35.43 | centHOGG | oso3000: what kind of streams does it accept... fs wise |
| 20:35.50 | centHOGG | NFS |
| 20:35.54 | jhutchins_lt | aixenv: What's tougher is if the port or card just stops passing traffic but still "looks" up. |
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| 20:36.28 | oso3000 | centHOGG, it should see it as a common pendrive, filesystems aren't a problem (it's a wdtv, it reads ext3, ext4, fat32, nfts, etc) |
| 20:36.29 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, anyway, writting '0' the bs size shouldn't be a issue... i don't know, it seems right for me |
| 20:36.36 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: Basically you'd be looking at a USB video card/adapter. |
| 20:36.43 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: With TV out. |
| 20:36.44 | centHOGG | oso3000: yeah |
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| 20:37.04 | paradoxmonkey | oso3000: don't think it's possible unless your pc can act as an usb client |
| 20:37.06 | oso3000 | jhutchins_lt, no no, i don't want to play video with my computer, i want to play it with the media player |
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| 20:37.26 | centHOGG | oso3000: yeah i have a geexbox and I agree with paradox |
| 20:37.31 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: The media player has what for output? |
| 20:37.34 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: USB? |
| 20:37.45 | oso3000 | paradoxmonkey, well that's what i'm asking for... a software or hardware that makes my pc act as a usb pendrive |
| 20:37.56 | aixenv | jhutchins: that's what i think was the issue with the lb, and failover didnt take place immediately like it should have |
| 20:38.09 | oso3000 | jhutchins_lt, the media player outputs to hdmi, and reads usb drives |
| 20:38.10 | centHOGG | oso3000: i know that those mp3 players can act as a pendrive |
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| 20:38.25 | oso3000 | centHOGG, no no, i want my COMPUTER to act as a pendrive |
| 20:38.33 | oso3000 | centHOGG, not my player... the player has no storage |
| 20:38.34 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: So you want to connect your PC to it via USB, and have your PC appear as a drive. |
| 20:38.50 | oso3000 | centHOGG, i want the player to read directly from my computers hdd, as if it were a usb pendrive |
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| 20:39.10 | centHOGG | yeah i know... gotta go but gl |
| 20:39.27 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: That's an interesting question. I think it may be possible. |
| 20:39.52 | oso3000 | jhutchins_lt, there must be hardware or software for that, but i couldn't find anything in google |
| 20:40.21 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: Well, it certainly falls outside of the USB spec, and I don't know that it's possible without altering the software on the player. |
| 20:40.22 | paradoxmonkey | oso3000: as far as I know there are no usb computer controllers that also can act as a client, you would need special hardware for that |
| 20:40.26 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: Nonetheless... |
| 20:40.28 | oso3000 | jhutchins_lt, the complex solution would be connecting a usb ethernet card to the player, then mount my laptop as an external share |
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| 20:40.45 | smacnay | For some reason, after I put a cdrom into the drive and read the contents, I sometimes cannot eject it because another user is "using" the device. The other user is not using the device but the OS seems to think the other user is. Is there some glitch here. This does not happen all the time. |
| 20:41.32 | abrotman | smacnay: lsof or fuser should help you .. are you using gnome/kde ? |
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| 20:42.08 | paradoxmonkey | l |
| 20:42.20 | smacnay | abrotman, gome |
| 20:42.28 | abrotman | smacnay: gnome may be automounting it |
| 20:42.29 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: the funny thing is that it worked yesterday |
| 20:42.58 | smacnay | abrotman, ah, that would make sense |
| 20:43.07 | jhutchins_lt | smacnay: The guilty party is a file monitoring system that looks for changes to the filesystem so it can update indexes, windows showing the filesystem, etc. Usually run as a part of a desktop env. |
| 20:43.25 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, I see the same issue here, so we are loosing something |
| 20:43.25 | smacnay | jhutchins, something like tracker?? |
| 20:43.27 | jhutchins_lt | smacnay: Gnome is probably monitoring it for changes. |
| 20:43.36 | jhutchins_lt | smacnay: Yeah, fsm or some such. |
| 20:43.37 | smacnay | jhutchins, so just the os |
| 20:43.38 | jhutchins_lt | cms |
| 20:43.39 | abrotman | gnome-volume-manager |
| 20:43.41 | abrotman | !fam |
| 20:43.41 | dpkg | somebody said fam was a piece of software that monitors changes in inodes to track missing or deleted files. It is required by <efm>, and it is a bitch to compile with g++., or http://oss.sgi.com/projects/fam/, or something that requires an apt-get install portmap, or if lack of FAM is killing your courier-imap, build courier-imap from upstream source. |
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| 20:44.15 | smacnay | fam is not installed |
| 20:44.25 | abrotman | but it's probably the actual gnome-volume-manager or something like that .. it's the monster that does the auto-insert thing IIRC |
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| 20:44.41 | smacnay | abrotman, thanks |
| 20:45.43 | smacnay | hmm - gnome-volume-manager is not installed either. Maybe that is just a part of the generic default gnome desktop |
| 20:45.45 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: Early results do not look good. |
| 20:46.23 | smacnay | nautilus will be the culprit |
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| 20:47.08 | smacnay | abrotman, I can always just su -c 'eject' |
| 20:47.34 | abrotman | smacnay: i said .. use fuser or lsof to find out what it is |
| 20:48.02 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: http://www.usb-server.com/ |
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| 20:48.24 | smacnay | abrotman, thanks - I will do that - two new commands/apps I will man |
| 20:48.24 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: http://www.eltima.com/products/usb-over-ethernet/ |
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| 20:48.53 | oso3000 | jhutchins_lt, thanks a lot, i'll take a look at those two |
| 20:48.56 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: http://www.usb-over-network.com/ |
| 20:49.12 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: and another thing is that if I after all set those damn cylinders and write changes and then rerunning fdisk things are as nothing happend |
| 20:49.13 | antgel | i just built a kernel from vanilla source with make-kpkg, but forgot --initrd so it won't boot. how do i generate the initrd without make-kpkg clean? |
| 20:49.26 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: Finally, background theory: http://www.lvr.com/mass_storage.htm |
| 20:49.46 | abrotman | i don't think the tv would understand ethernet on usb |
| 20:49.46 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, i'm looking that: http://wiki.osdev.org/Loopback_Device#Partitioning |
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| 20:50.08 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: I think the most promising thread would be to look at how this is done with a smartphone or other handheld device that usually mounts other USB devices, but may be mounted as a device itself. |
| 20:50.37 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, we can set c/H/S in fdisk args |
| 20:50.46 | jhutchins_lt | antgel: mkinitrd |
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| 20:51.29 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: I don't think that would work either, but there may be useful threads down that wormhole. |
| 20:51.35 | antgel | jhutchins_lt: i just found update-initramfs which would appear to do it, cheers |
| 20:51.53 | jhutchins_lt | antgel: good luck! |
| 20:51.54 | antgel | salutes abrotman and RATM |
| 20:52.07 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: AFAICT .. it's a question about whether the hardware is capable |
| 20:52.11 | oso3000 | jhutchins_lt, unluckily, i can't use the solutions you gave me... 2 of them work over ethernet (they don't allow you to connect via usb directly), and the 3rd requires client software (the client would be wdtv) |
| 20:52.12 | abrotman | antgel: i didn't buy the single! |
| 20:52.31 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: None were meant as solutions, only as sources of clues. |
| 20:52.49 | oso3000 | jhutchins_lt, sorry, thanks anyway for your cooperation |
| 20:52.57 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: creating a bigger raw image resolved the issue, but dunno why fdisk doesn't like small images |
| 20:53.25 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: It should be noted that this looks like an excellent way to potentially trash the PC filesystem, and the OS on the player. |
| 20:53.25 | poisonbit | fdisk -u -C#cylinders -S63 -H16 /dev/loop0 |
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| 20:55.50 | oso3000 | thanks a lot to you all !! |
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| 20:57.42 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: looks like I need to set the heads to 16 |
| 20:58.44 | poisonbit | yes, It seems like a raw 0000 image is not "a disk" for fdisk |
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| 21:01.03 | Sergio` | Anyone knows of a typing break program for console? |
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| 21:01.18 | encrypttp | what package provides iptstat please? |
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| 21:01.45 | abrotman | !tell encrypttp about apt-file |
| 21:02.04 | markybob | (iptstate) |
| 21:02.05 | Sergio` | encrypttp: iptstate |
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| 21:02.20 | poisonbit | Sergio`, if you can't find none, you can do one... someting like while : { sleep 60; beep ; beep ; beep } |
| 21:02.56 | Sergio` | That's interesting. Thanks. |
| 21:03.10 | encrypttp | thanks sergio` |
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| 21:03.54 | Sergio` | poisonbit: but with sleep I can still break it with C-c |
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| 21:04.16 | poisonbit | add a cron |
| 21:05.31 | Sergio` | I used for sometime sleep, cmatrix, cron and GNU screen together for that. I wonder if there is something that locks all keyboard input for a specified time. |
| 21:05.39 | poisonbit | Sergio`, mmm but cron is scheduled, not related to your usage... |
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| 21:05.55 | poisonbit | vlack |
| 21:05.58 | poisonbit | vlack -a |
| 21:06.01 | poisonbit | fuxk |
| 21:06.06 | poisonbit | vlock |
| 21:06.06 | Sergio` | vlock -a -n |
| 21:06.09 | poisonbit | with 'o' |
| 21:06.17 | Sergio` | Yup, for terminal locks. |
| 21:06.21 | Sergio` | Let me see. |
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| 21:07.02 | Sergio` | No good. Terminal locks only. Thanks. |
| 21:08.35 | encrypttp | i see some flood using iptstate from some ip.. ive dropped it on firewall.. but i see lots of established connections from it.. is there a way to "clean" all these connections? |
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| 21:09.10 | poisonbit | -m state --state ESTABLISHED -j DROP |
| 21:09.26 | poisonbit | or -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED |
| 21:09.47 | encrypttp | ive already done this: -A FORWARD -s 67.231.250.0/24 -j DROP |
| 21:09.47 | poisonbit | or drop routes to that host with ip route |
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| 21:10.03 | poisonbit | -A is append |
| 21:10.21 | poisonbit | if you have ESTABLISHED to ACCEPT, it match before your rule |
| 21:10.34 | encrypttp | its before the accept.. |
| 21:10.38 | poisonbit | use -I to insert the rule up |
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| 21:11.41 | poisonbit | also you may want to drop NEW,RELATED,INVALID traffic |
| 21:12.16 | encrypttp | ive also put -m conntrack --ctstate ESTABLISHED on top.. but i still see all established connections on iptstate.. |
| 21:12.30 | encrypttp | id like to just clean as they are now dropped.. |
| 21:12.40 | encrypttp | this attack happened before i put the rule |
| 21:13.07 | poisonbit | ip route del 67.231.250.0/24 |
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| 21:13.35 | laurus | Does anyone know if Empathy will become the default IM client in Debian Squeeze? |
| 21:13.39 | poisonbit | ip route del from 67.231.250.0/24 |
| 21:14.07 | encrypttp | thanks poisonbit.. i ran it but i still see all connections on iptstate.. maybe there is no way to quick clean? |
| 21:14.53 | poisonbit | encrypttp, netstat list that ESTABLISHED connections? |
| 21:14.59 | encrypttp | no.. its a bridge |
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| 21:18.07 | santarudolf | Hey guys how do you clea the apt-get cache out and do some house keeping ? |
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| 21:18.37 | Argafal | santarudolf: did you check the manpage before asking that? |
| 21:18.48 | santarudolf | yup |
| 21:18.50 | santarudolf | i cna't read |
| 21:18.53 | poisonbit | or tab tab if you have autocompletion |
| 21:18.55 | santarudolf | so thought i would ask |
| 21:19.23 | Argafal | santarudolf: you can't read? so how do you read in here? |
| 21:19.35 | Argafal | santarudolf: anyway, check the paragraphs clean and autoclean in man apt-get |
| 21:19.39 | santarudolf | i have a voice that speaks it to me |
| 21:19.45 | santarudolf | ok |
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| 21:20.46 | Argafal | santarudolf: you have to check which behavior you want. autoclean deletes less than clean. |
| 21:21.09 | santarudolf | ok |
| 21:21.12 | santarudolf | thanks |
| 21:21.33 | Argafal | santarudolf: no problem. if reading the manpage is an issue for you, just ask and i can quote a few things for you, if that makes it easier. |
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| 21:21.46 | Argafal | santarudolf: otherwise the two mentioned paragraphs will be sufficient for you |
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| 21:22.01 | santarudolf | thank you |
| 21:23.16 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: still with the c/H/S arg the raw file can't be < 1 MB |
| 21:23.55 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, why do you need that size ? |
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| 21:24.10 | MrTorque | hi. i configured samba as pdc and want to share some folders. do i configure this in smb.conf or are there other possibilitys? |
| 21:24.26 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, working on something embeded ? |
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| 21:25.41 | Argafal | santarudolf: i'd like to be curious and ask which software you use for text-to-speech. I remember that i tried finding something nice but I failed. mac had something very good, the linux programm I found was rather basic and "artifical" |
| 21:26.14 | poisonbit | MrTorque, apt-cache search samba admin |
| 21:26.45 | poisonbit | MrTorque, but samba manual + vi is a more "root" aptitude |
| 21:27.35 | poisonbit | MrTorque, you can keep your 'shares' in includes from smb.conf |
| 21:27.50 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: well yes I'm working for something embedded, sh script for debootstrap raw image creation. The < 1MB problem isn't that a big issue but it makes my head spin that fdisk is stupid |
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| 21:30.34 | poisonbit | paradoxmonkey, the fdisk manpage says in 'BUGS' about cfdisk "Use it if you can." |
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| 21:31.19 | poisonbit | and it talks about sfdisk for scripting |
| 21:31.25 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: just curious do you have a link to this BUG section |
| 21:31.43 | poisonbit | man fdisk and then /BUGS[Enter] |
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| 21:32.26 | poisonbit | but it says nothing about less than 1M disks |
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| 21:33.17 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: I'm gone try sfdisk and hope it works |
| 21:33.33 | poisonbit | good luck |
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| 21:34.37 | poisonbit | if you have a physicall "disk" of that size, you can dd if=/dev/that_disk of=/your.working.img |
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| 21:37.40 | elik | Got a slight problem doing my update today :( Mplayer needs libvdpau1, which tries to install, but fail because it cannot overwrite /usr/lib/libdvpau.so.1, provided by nvidia :( |
| 21:38.20 | paradoxmonkey | poisonbit: sfdisk has an awful interface - my head is spinning. Let us try cfdisk |
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| 21:40.09 | poisonbit | I did some fdisk automation years ago, but in C (take a text file with the commands, and pass them to fdisk) |
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| 21:41.44 | elik | is it safe to remove libvdpau.so.1 so the package can install it itself? |
| 21:42.00 | poisonbit | elik, is more safe to backup it |
| 21:42.30 | LiL_mr-t | can anyone tell me, do i need to install cdrdao in order to make an exact copy of an audio cd, or will the cdrkit (genisoimage, wodim, icedax) be enough? |
| 21:42.50 | elik | well, yeah... but I still have no idea of the consequence of doing so on the package manager |
| 21:42.58 | elik | poisonbit, ^ |
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| 21:43.13 | poisonbit | elik, nvidia installer is not the package manager |
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| 21:43.33 | elik | poisonbit, there are other ways to install nvidia drivers |
| 21:43.42 | poisonbit | elik, debian has his way to manage that conflicts... but nvidia "They did it theiiiirrr waaayyyy" |
| 21:43.43 | elik | poisonbit, which involve the package manager |
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| 21:43.54 | abrotman | elik: 1) why remove tha tfile ? |
| 21:44.09 | abrotman | 2) which installation method did you use |
| 21:44.11 | abrotman | ? |
| 21:44.42 | elik | abrotman, 1) it is preventing the installation of livdpau1 package |
| 21:44.50 | elik | abrotman, 2) m-a |
| 21:44.58 | elik | abrotman, let me find that page :) |
| 21:44.58 | abrotman | 1) /msg dpkg overwrite |
| 21:45.03 | abrotman | 2) good man! |
| 21:45.25 | cratylus | has anybody bumped into instructions on how to import the Ultimate Debian Database export into a local postgres dataase? |
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| 21:47.22 | abrotman | i thought they were on the UDD site ? |
| 21:48.08 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase/CreateLocalReplica |
| 21:48.09 | abrotman | no ? |
| 21:48.29 | poisonbit | yes http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase/CreateLocalReplica |
| 21:48.32 | elik | abrotman, can I force install through aptitude? I only see instructions for apt |
| 21:48.49 | abrotman | elik: same option for aptitude |
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| 21:51.13 | MrTorque | poisonbit: i do not have X server on the machine |
| 21:52.10 | poisonbit | MrTorque, so you need to use text configuration or the swat package |
| 21:52.31 | MrTorque | poisonbit: i dont like swat, its killing comments from smb.conf |
| 21:52.32 | poisonbit | more KISS option a) |
| 21:53.05 | poisonbit | MrTorque, it is open source, you can improve it, or wishlist to the developers |
| 21:53.12 | MrTorque | poisonbit: what about nt acl |
| 21:53.22 | poisonbit | ? |
| 21:53.44 | MrTorque | nt acl support = true |
| 21:53.52 | MrTorque | for setting permissions from the windows client |
| 21:53.56 | poisonbit | what about? |
| 21:54.08 | MrTorque | how do i enable it? |
| 21:54.26 | nsadmin | once you can connect to UDD, don['t you just do a pg_dump? |
| 21:55.18 | poisonbit | MrTorque, I have some samba servers in a active directory network, but the config process is a pain for IRC, search a good howto |
| 21:55.30 | MrTorque | only set acl as mount option and nt acl support?? |
| 21:55.44 | poisonbit | do you use ldap or AD ? |
| 21:55.48 | MrTorque | i did that.. |
| 21:56.03 | MrTorque | i dont use ldap |
| 21:56.16 | elik | abrotman, I'm trying to file a bug for libvdpau.so.1 being both in nvidia-glx and libvdpau1. I don't see anything refering to it in either nvidia-glx or libvdpau1, but I do see there is a nvidia-libpau1 package... I'm confused |
| 21:56.46 | MrTorque | what keywords do you suggest for googleing? |
| 21:56.55 | nsadmin | elik: are you sure both packages come from the same version of debian |
| 21:56.59 | abrotman | elik: apt-file search libdvpau .. see which packages |
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| 21:57.52 | poisonbit | MrTorque, forgive me, do not talk about the same... sugestione er... samba.org or something like ? |
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| 21:58.54 | elik | nsadmin, I'm only on squeeze |
| 21:58.59 | MrTorque | there are some howtos for samba and win xp. documentation on samba.org does not know win 7 or vista ... |
| 21:59.13 | elik | nsadmin, I did go unstable for some time... but I think I'm back on track now |
| 21:59.20 | elik | nsadmin, how would I make sure? |
| 21:59.58 | poisonbit | MrTorque, I see, the howto is @2003 |
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| 22:01.00 | poisonbit | MrTorque, http://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=vista |
| 22:01.05 | cratylus | abrotman poisonbit just saw your link post. thanks exactly what i needed! |
| 22:01.57 | elik | abrotman, hum... don't know how that help, I see libvdpau1: /usr/share/doc/libvdpau1 and a few files |
| 22:02.15 | LiL_mr-t | is cdrkit enough for cd copying or do i need cdrdao also? |
| 22:03.00 | elik | nsadmin, I think you might be right |
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| 22:03.27 | elik | nsadmin, I see that nvidia-glx in squeeze is at 173..14.09 and some bits |
| 22:03.36 | elik | nsadmin, and I have 180.44-2 |
| 22:03.41 | abrotman | elik: look for two files the same |
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| 22:04.07 | elik | nsadmin, so I must have pulled it from unstable some time ago, and testing didn't catch up yet |
| 22:04.13 | elik | abrotman, there aren't any |
| 22:04.30 | abrotman | yo usaid there were two |
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| 22:05.17 | abrotman | i have none here at all .. though i don't use nvidia stuff |
| 22:05.30 | elik | abrotman, well, if I look in synaptics, at the list of installed files for nvidia-glx, I see that file |
| 22:05.48 | abrotman | and you said it belonged to something else too |
| 22:05.59 | elik | libvdpau1, which I was trying to install |
| 22:06.12 | elik | apt-file doesn't report the one from nvidia-glx though |
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| 22:07.20 | elik | abrotman, which would make sense, as apt-file update fetched the package list from testing-amd64 |
| 22:07.36 | elik | abrotman, so there are no two package with libvdpau1 in testing |
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| 22:07.55 | elik | abrotman, but my nvidia-glx is sitting in between testing and unstable |
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| 22:08.14 | elik | abrotman, which I didn't know, but nsadmin pointed it out |
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| 22:10.04 | elik | abrotman, I guess more often than not, the user is the problem :D |
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| 22:10.41 | elik | abrotman, sorry for taking your time, I thought I was through with the testing/unstable duality |
| 22:12.14 | elik | (and now I really see why it's evil to pull from both sides) |
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| 22:16.25 | LiL_mr-t | can anyone here point me in the direction of help re; cdrkit? |
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| 22:17.02 | abrotman | LiL_mr-t: for Debian ? |
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| 22:18.33 | LiL_mr-t | abrotman: yes |
| 22:18.43 | abrotman | here is fine |
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| 22:20.00 | samantha-c | i'm trying to get ktorrent to check in with trackers (trackers only, not data hauling) via tor. i've set up both http and socks proxies but only seem to get "invalid data from tracker" errors. this DOES work in transmission, so it's a ktorrent issue, not a tor proxy issue. is there a howto? |
| 22:20.06 | LiL_mr-t | abrotman: i'm trying to understand whether cdrkit is all i need for cli cd copying or whether i also need cdrdao and/or growisofs? |
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| 22:20.36 | abrotman | if it's a CD ISO .. should be fine |
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| 22:21.17 | alucard1211 | hi all |
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| 22:21.43 | LiL_mr-t | abrotman: so i don't need cdrdao and growisofs if i have cdrkit? i'm looking to make an exact copy of an audio cd... |
| 22:22.06 | abrotman | you could use dd |
| 22:22.18 | abrotman | to copy it off .. then burn the ISO however you'd like |
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| 22:23.12 | alucard1211 | im trying to switch cd's for installing a game under wine but it wont let me eject the cd :( http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1179/screenshotkx.png |
| 22:23.34 | LiL_mr-t | abrotman: ok, thanks. i just wasn't too sure whether cdrkit covered all cd copying tasks or whether other apps would also be needed. i gathered that cdrkit is debians replacement of cdrtools? |
| 22:23.39 | AimHere | You tried 'wine eject <drive letter>:'? |
| 22:24.00 | alucard1211 | not yet...i tried right clicking on it and telling it to eject |
| 22:24.33 | AimHere | LInux doesn't like unmounting the CD because a process is using it |
| 22:24.49 | alucard1211 | how am i suppose to switch cd's when the game asks for it then |
| 22:25.12 | AimHere | I told you. 'wine eject <drive letter>:' |
| 22:25.23 | alucard1211 | kik trying |
| 22:25.25 | alucard1211 | kk |
| 22:25.43 | AimHere | Or 'wine eject -a' if you're happy ejecting all your removable media |
| 22:25.46 | alucard1211 | thankies |
| 22:26.18 | alucard1211 | much appricated |
| 22:26.21 | alucard1211 | sorry to be a bother |
| 22:26.57 | AimHere | This query probably belonged in #winehq |
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| 22:27.19 | alucard1211 | that worked...nexdt time i'll ask there |
| 22:28.02 | odla | I am getting temporary failure resolving 'debian.osuosl.org' when i run aptitude update ... yet i am connected to the internet with that computer ... how can i troubleshoot this? |
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| 22:28.46 | netsrot | Hi, anyone here managed to compile mumble 1.2.0 on lenny? |
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| 22:32.27 | cmacis | No, running 1.1.4 from the repositries. Is there something you absolutely need from 1.2.0? |
| 22:32.28 | nvz | I seem to be having a problem with pppd I cannot figure out. Its simply exiting code 1, the logs say nothing other than it starts then exits, the background is I'm using a verison um175 usb modem (/dev/ttyACM0) that I had working on debian before (a year or so ago) it works fine with the verizon software on windows. Most I have is this info http://paste.debian.net/54551/ and an strace -f I did on the wvdial, which I couldn't gather anything f |
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| 22:32.55 | nvz | if anyone can help or needs more info, I'll get it for ya, it will be appreciated this is drivin me nuts |
| 22:33.10 | rov | How do I change console keymap? |
| 22:33.15 | nvz | uh.. |
| 22:33.32 | nvz | shit I know that.. can't remember. heh |
| 22:33.43 | rov | its not setxkbmap, thats for xorg xD |
| 22:34.00 | nvz | dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 22:34.02 | nvz | I believe |
| 22:34.29 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 22:34.29 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 22:34.54 | nvz | abrotman: great, now can you track down a pppd issue? lol |
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| 22:35.09 | abrotman | !pppd |
| 22:35.09 | dpkg | it has been said that pppd is the Point-to-Point Protocol daemon. That serves as interface between software and hardware: transmitting datagrams over serial links, an extensible Link Control Protocol (LCP), and a famillly of Network Control Protocols/Program (NCP). It is also supported through the kernel, generally. Although, pppd provides more advanced functions, e.g., authentication or in the configuration of the IP (IPCP). |
| 22:35.13 | abrotman | runs away |
| 22:35.16 | nvz | haha |
| 22:35.24 | nvz | I know the feeling |
| 22:35.25 | amphi | a 'famillly'? |
| 22:35.36 | nvz | shrugs |
| 22:35.51 | nvz | the description of exit code 1 in the manual is vague |
| 22:35.55 | nvz | I ruled out memory issue |
| 22:36.03 | nvz | by adding 2g more swap |
| 22:36.10 | amphi | nvz: have you got both debug options set; ISTR there are two |
| 22:36.16 | alucard1211 | installing diablo 2 on debian wee :) |
| 22:36.32 | amphi | debian wee? |
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| 22:36.41 | abrotman | gonads and strife |
| 22:36.45 | nvz | amphi: probably not.. I have little to no understanding of the software I just know under ideal circumstances how to make it work |
| 22:36.53 | alucard1211 | hehe gonads and strife |
| 22:37.23 | abrotman | do you know the movie ? |
| 22:37.26 | amphi | nvz: ISTR a debug option & a kdebug or kernel_debug option; use both for maximum verbosity |
| 22:37.35 | amphi | doesn't |
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| 22:38.08 | abrotman | amphi: google it .. should come up with like albinosheep.com or something like that |
| 22:38.49 | nvz | amphi: I'm not sure how to do that. pppd is being started via pon or wvdial depending on what I use |
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| 22:40.41 | amphi | nvz: stick the options in /etc/ppp/options - man pppd will tell you what they are; with those, pppd should spew mightily into your logs |
| 22:40.41 | nvz | I was using the USB760 but I switched to the UM175 because the former is also a usb memory stick and card reader and is a royal pita to work with |
| 22:40.52 | samantha-c | i'm trying to get ktorrent to check in with trackers (trackers only, not data hauling) via tor. i've set up both http and socks proxies but only seem to get "invalid data from tracker" errors. this DOES work in transmission, so it's a ktorrent issue, not a tor proxy issue. is there a howto? |
| 22:41.00 | nvz | amphi: alright I'll see if I get a lead that way |
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| 22:41.52 | amphi | nvz: debug and kdebug I think they are; /debug in man pppd should turn them up easily enough |
| 22:42.00 | bobo_b|brb | i don't really get the "kept back" packages when upgrading with aptitude. the web says to use dist-upgrade, but i installed squeeze and never changed the sources |
| 22:42.00 | bobo_b|brb | so why should i do a dist-upgrade |
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| 22:43.04 | OpenTokix | For the thrill of the ride |
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| 22:44.02 | nvz | amphi: that gives me the additional error Couldn't set tty to PPP discipline: Invalid argument which is still vague and makes little/no sense to me |
| 22:44.16 | bobo_b | now aptitude advises me to remove gnome and gnome-desktop-environment |
| 22:44.37 | nvz | bobo_b: those are metapackages and will cause no changes to your software |
| 22:45.10 | nvz | bobo_b: they depend on all that is gnome, and when you try to remove any single componant it requires removal of those as well |
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| 22:46.19 | bobo_b | nvz: but it says after the upgrade 610mb will be freed... |
| 22:46.24 | odla | I am getting temporary failure resolving 'debian.osuosl.org' when i run aptitude update ... yet i am connected to the internet with that computer ... how can i troubleshoot this? |
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| 22:46.34 | amphi | nvz: it doesn't enlighten me greatly either; that's with pon or wvdial, or both? |
| 22:46.45 | nvz | amphi: actually I think that error indicates my kernel lacks a certain ppp option |
| 22:46.54 | odla | my only line in sources.lst is 'deb http://debian.osuosl.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free' |
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| 22:47.01 | nvz | amphi: only tried wvdial, but I'd assume it would be the same |
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| 22:47.32 | amphi | I'd try - empiricism is its own reward ;) |
| 22:47.33 | bobo_b | and anyway, why do i need to run a dist-upgrade for that? isn't that only used to change between major releases? |
| 22:48.23 | abrotman | no |
| 22:48.26 | nvz | amphi: I'm just gonna try rebooting with a stock kernel. I originally compiled this one last night 2.6.32.2 because the USB760 that is a roya pita needed an updated option driver this um175 I think will work with a stock kernel |
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| 22:48.49 | nvz | amphi: I know I have generic ppp support but googling that error suggests that another ppp option is not in the kernel |
| 22:49.00 | amphi | uhuh |
| 22:49.05 | themill | bobo_b: "/msg dpkg dist-upgrade" or man apt-get ; man aptitude |
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| 22:49.43 | abrotman | wouldn't it be full-upgrade now ? |
| 22:49.45 | bobo_b | themill: ah, dist-upgrade is now full-upgrade... hm |
| 22:49.48 | nvz | bobo_b: what are you doing that is removing those packages? |
| 22:50.23 | nvz | bobo_b: those two packages contain no actual data, they are only metapackages, so you're not telling me the whole story |
| 22:50.43 | bobo_b | nvz: i just did an aptitude upgrade that downloaded 950 mb, now there is packages being "kept back" und full-upgrade is now deleting loads of packages and freeing 610mb |
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| 22:51.11 | nvz | bobo_b: what distro are you upgrading from/to? |
| 22:51.12 | amphi | you should be cautious about full-upgrade |
| 22:51.19 | Inazad | someone already used jpgrah? |
| 22:51.31 | Inazad | jpgraph* |
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| 22:51.46 | bobo_b | nvz: was squeeze before and still is |
| 22:51.58 | nvz | bobo_b: then why would you use dist upgrade at all? |
| 22:52.17 | bobo_b | nvz: because of the "kept back" packages |
| 22:52.29 | bobo_b | nvz: sources only have standard and security squeeze, each with main contrib non-free |
| 22:52.54 | nvz | bobo_b: ok, then are you just aimlessly trying to clear messages from your package manager or is there a point to all this? |
| 22:53.07 | chuds | hey!!! |
| 22:53.13 | nvz | my squeeze box has shit kept back all the time.. my secret? I dont fuck with it.. heh |
| 22:53.29 | bobo_b | nvz: well i figured that this is not a normal state, since i never saw it in older versions |
| 22:53.36 | abrotman | nvz: you have to sooner or later |
| 22:53.38 | amphi | nvz: beautifully expresssed |
| 22:54.00 | nvz | abrotman: bullshit.. you don't have to do anything until there is a need for it |
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| 22:54.34 | nvz | abrotman: you like myself are experienced in using testing/unstable.. and should know you dont do shit in a testing/unstable debian without a specific reason unless you just like pain |
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| 22:55.54 | nvz | either way, I'm gonna reboot so I can load the stock kernel. I guess in theory I can kexec it, but I have no idea how that shit works |
| 22:56.24 | nvz | I know I have the option built in to replace my running kernel but never tried it before and dont particularly like surprises |
| 22:56.27 | nvz | heh |
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| 22:56.52 | nvz | a reboot sounds safer |
| 22:57.17 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does anyone know what I need from the repos to get live chat working on this site? http://www.americanmusical.com/ |
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| 22:57.37 | LinuxGuy2009 | Chat For Help |
| 22:58.13 | abrotman | nvz: and yo ucan't let stuff on hold forever |
| 22:58.14 | markybob | looks like it's just a java plugin |
| 22:58.17 | nvz | before I do that though, does anyone know how to specify UUIDs for the root partition in grub? cause I've long since had to manually edit my command line to say /dev/sda3 because I was fooling around trying to get it to load via uuid cause this is a netbook that can also boot from any of two card slots or usb, and that would cause problems when there was a card inserted and I wanted to boot using just /dev/sda3 as root |
| 22:58.28 | markybob | !java plugin |
| 22:58.30 | dpkg | For the java plugin install either the icedtea-gcjwebplugin (free) plugin or the sun-java6-plugin (<non-free>). For other java programs (lenny onwards), you can install the default-jre package to get install a java runtime, or "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine" to see other implementations. The best options are probably openjdk-6-jre or sun-java6-jre. See also <java alternatives>. Etch users: ask me about <install java etch>. |
| 22:58.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | I installed Java from the repo just now thinking that would fix it. |
| 22:58.52 | themill | nvz: /msg dpkg uuid |
| 22:59.33 | Argafal | on my system (Debian squeeze) I need "echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/bindv6only" before java works. |
| 22:59.35 | nvz | themill: it says to do uuid=blah.. and that what I have, and it kernel panics |
| 22:59.44 | markybob | LinuxGuy2009, which package did you install? |
| 22:59.47 | Argafal | just in case you'd stumble upon a connection error for every java plugin. |
| 22:59.58 | Argafal | this will be the solution, took me two hours to find and was very annoying. |
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| 23:00.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | markybob: umm I went to add/remove for this one and just searched for java. |
| 23:00.22 | nvz | themill: at first i just tried root=2204-3558-8427.. blah then put in the uuid= before the uuid and didn't work |
| 23:00.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | OpenJDk Java |
| 23:00.45 | markybob | LinuxGuy2009, which debian version? |
| 23:00.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | runtime and web start |
| 23:00.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | Lenny |
| 23:01.05 | markybob | then install sun-java6-jre and restart your browser |
| 23:01.19 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok let me see |
| 23:01.30 | abrotman | he needs the java plugin package also |
| 23:02.01 | ax-ax | hello |
| 23:02.02 | markybob | word. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sun-java6-plugin |
| 23:02.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | markybob: Ill need to go manually download and install that correct? |
| 23:02.22 | markybob | LinuxGuy2009, no |
| 23:02.22 | ax-ax | how can i add .mp3 to all files in a directory via cli? |
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| 23:03.22 | markybob | ax-ax, for x in `ls`; do mv $x $x.mp3; done |
| 23:03.34 | LinuxGuy2009 | markybob: Why doesnt that show up in my DVD repo set? |
| 23:03.40 | Thumpity | I installed Debian 5.0 in a parallels VM and everything is working well except I have to start the network after login. Anybody know how I can have it bring up the network connection at boot? |
| 23:03.52 | markybob | LinuxGuy2009, because you dont have non-free set up in your sources.list |
| 23:04.01 | LinuxGuy2009 | markybob: ah |
| 23:04.25 | LinuxGuy2009 | markybob: Ill just go download from sun so i can burn it on my 6th homemade repo CD. |
| 23:04.31 | LinuxGuy2009 | Thank you |
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| 23:04.45 | ax-ax | markybob: using ls wont work if their names include spaces right? |
| 23:04.51 | Thumpity | At the moment, I startx and then click on the little drop down in Gnome that has the radio button next to Wired network |
| 23:05.11 | markybob | ax-ax, for x in `ls`; do mv "$x" "$x.mp3"; done |
| 23:05.11 | odla | can i manually use iwconfig with the d-i? |
| 23:05.41 | ax-ax | markybob: the filenames include spaces; it does not work |
| 23:05.47 | ax-ax | as i said |
| 23:06.04 | ax-ax | can i tell ls to show escape characters? |
| 23:06.17 | Thumpity | Tried googling it, but I keep getting stuff about PXE booting Debian instead of just how to bring up network at boot. |
| 23:06.21 | abrotman | !usingfind |
| 23:06.23 | abrotman | !using find |
| 23:06.24 | dpkg | i guess using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind, or "man find" |
| 23:06.24 | ax-ax | man ls says -b |
| 23:06.52 | markybob | ax-ax, you didnt pay attention. the second example i sent you had quotes |
| 23:06.53 | abrotman | ax-ax: probably better to ask #bash |
| 23:06.59 | abrotman | and you shouldn't have spaces in filenames |
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| 23:07.11 | Thumpity | Anybody got any ideas? Does Debian normally leave the network down on boot, or is it because it is in a VM? |
| 23:07.35 | ax-ax | markybob: i tried both of your examples |
| 23:07.45 | markybob | ax-ax, i just tested and it works fine |
| 23:07.58 | ax-ax | well, for me it didn't |
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| 23:08.26 | samantha-c | Thumpity: normally it comes up but it will be down if it doesn't detect the nic at the right time during boot. suggest adding necessary commands to start the network at the end of rc.local as a kludge work-around. |
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| 23:09.50 | Thumpity | samantha-c: thanks, I tried using /etc/init.d/networking start ... that just returns network already configured, can you tell me what command corresponds to selecting wired network in Gnome? |
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| 23:10.33 | Thumpity | samantha-c: or another command that will make it go out and pull down an IP and come up? Thanks! |
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| 23:10.53 | samantha-c | Thumpity: no, sorry. :-) |
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| 23:12.22 | themill | markybob: btw, for x in `ls` is horrid in so many ways. for x in * is fine though. /msg dpkg parsing ls |
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| 23:13.20 | Thumpity | samantha-c: thanks anyways |
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| 23:14.37 | AimHere | Kickity Kick |
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| 23:14.55 | abrotman | Thumpity: stop pasting |
| 23:15.06 | Thumpity | sorry |
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| 23:15.22 | Thumpity | I didnt realize there was so much on my clipboard |
| 23:15.28 | Thumpity | that is from like two days ago |
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| 23:15.43 | magyar | is the bot down? |
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| 23:16.05 | abrotman | which bot ? |
| 23:16.18 | magyar | never mind, i f-ed up |
| 23:16.32 | Thumpity | the kick bot works... I can assure you of that |
| 23:16.46 | abrotman | test it again |
| 23:16.56 | magyar | dpkg |
| 23:16.59 | magyar | my bad |
| 23:17.02 | Thumpity | lol |
| 23:17.03 | Thumpity | no |
| 23:17.18 | abrotman | nvz: used to see things like that when you missed the compression option .. |
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| 23:18.26 | magyar | which VPN would be best to use for connecting two servers (right side, left side)? |
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| 23:19.34 | magyar | freeswan? |
| 23:19.53 | Thumpity | openvpn |
| 23:20.18 | magyar | hmm, it's more client/server option |
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| 23:20.41 | magyar | i need to tunnel two WANs |
| 23:20.51 | Thumpity | it does client/server but you can also set it up for LAN 2 LAN over the net |
| 23:21.02 | Thumpity | yep it does that |
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| 23:23.40 | magyar | Thumpity: i can't find anything on OpenVPN site about lan to lan |
| 23:24.07 | Thumpity | openvpn.net/bridge.html |
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| 23:27.37 | magyar | Thumpity: it seems as the article is about bridging a server with multiple clients |
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| 23:28.36 | Thumpity | I thought this was what you were trying to accomplish "By bridging a physical ethernet NIC with an OpenVPN-driven TAP interface at two separate locations, it is possible to logically merge both ethernet networks, as if they were a single ethernet subnet." |
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| 23:30.30 | magyar | Thumpity: different subnets, one is a 192.168.0.0/24 the other is a 192.168.128/22 , Both networks are at different locations geographically |
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| 23:31.37 | Thumpity | magyar: Yeah, I thought you could do that with the bridging option in OpenVPN, maybe I am wrong. |
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| 23:31.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok I just downloaded and installed jre-6u17-linux-i586.bin from the java website. Restarted my broswer and the plugin is not installed it seems. Am I missing something? |
| 23:32.06 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: you missed the bit where we told you to install it from the Debian packages, it seems. |
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| 23:33.08 | dvs | heh |
| 23:33.53 | abrotman | i told him that .. about 30 minute sago |
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| 23:34.53 | LinuxGuy2009 | Doesnt help me with an offline machine though at all. |
| 23:34.56 | bobo_b | well ok, so the full-upgrade removed gnome and reboot left me at a terminal |
| 23:35.17 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: you downloaded the other file without an issue |
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| 23:35.26 | Thumpity | magyar: why not bridge a single subnet for the connection and only have a single interface on each side on that subnet, then maintain a second and third subnet for each branch office and route traffic accordingly into the bridged subnet... |
| 23:36.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Yes from another machine. |
| 23:36.43 | azeem_ | LinuxGuy2009: why do you need java for your browser when you are offline anyway? |
| 23:37.06 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: there are two possible plugins .. the icedtea plugin and the sun plugin .. choose one |
| 23:37.15 | LinuxGuy2009 | azeem_: I keep all packages I install on CD/DVD repos. |
| 23:37.31 | magyar | Thumpity: a new independent subnet? I'm not catching it |
| 23:37.45 | abrotman | judd: versions icedtea6-plugin |
| 23:37.46 | judd | abrotman: icedtea6-plugin -- squeeze: 6b16-1.6.1-2 sid: 6b17~pre3-1 |
| 23:37.53 | abrotman | maybe it's 5 in lenny |
| 23:37.57 | abrotman | or |
| 23:38.01 | bobo_b | erm |
| 23:38.04 | abrotman | judd: versions sun-java6-plugin |
| 23:38.05 | judd | abrotman: sun-java6-plugin -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1 sid/non-free: 6-17-1 |
| 23:38.15 | bobo_b | how would i start x and gnome? init 5? |
| 23:38.26 | abrotman | this isn't redhat |
| 23:38.37 | abrotman | bobo_b: look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log why it might not be starting |
| 23:38.58 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im guessing that no one knows how to get the browser plugin installed manually? This is for a netbook, I dont have wifi here to install the way you guys want me to. |
| 23:39.29 | themill | LinuxGuy2009: that still doesn't explain how you're going to use the java plugin on the non-networked computer |
| 23:39.54 | Thumpity | magyar: you could bridge traffic on subnet 192.168.2.0, maintain subnet 192.168.1.0 on one side, 192.168.3.0 on the other, set route of last resort to the outside interface... I imagine the reason why you don't want a single subnet is because you want to manage network traffic... this would allow you to decide what gets routed and what doesnt |
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| 23:40.08 | LinuxGuy2009 | themill: Itll be installed on my netbook for when i do need it when i have wifi where I take it. |
| 23:40.24 | bobo_b | abrotman: looks good |
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| 23:41.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | So I downloaded and ran jre-6u17-linux-i586.bin on my netbook and I checked about:plugins and its not listed there. What else do I need to do? |
| 23:41.40 | amphi | LinuxGuy2009: the netbook doesn't have ethernet? |
| 23:41.45 | abrotman | themill: FWIW .. people actually do have to write java |
| 23:41.48 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: that's wrong .. don't use htat |
| 23:41.59 | bobo_b | ok, gnome is definately gone |
| 23:42.00 | LinuxGuy2009 | amphi: Lenny dont like the lan adapter. |
| 23:42.01 | bobo_b | i love apt |
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| 23:42.23 | magyar | Thumpity: well, the connection on one side was setup before, and has an ADS. Pretty much all 254 are getting used up. The other side is a /22 as 800 devices are up |
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| 23:42.46 | markybob | LinuxGuy2009, you should've listened to the bot's factoids instead of signing off |
| 23:42.50 | LinuxGuy2009 | amphi: If you dont know its ok. |
| 23:42.55 | amphi | LinuxGuy2009: ah :( perhaps you need kmuto? |
| 23:43.02 | amphi | no, I know bugger all about java |
| 23:43.17 | abrotman | it's really not that damn hard ... |
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| 23:43.32 | abrotman | is it lenny or squeeze ? |
| 23:43.38 | markybob | lenny |
| 23:43.40 | LinuxGuy2009 | Instead of getting mad at me for sticking around for a bot. hehe Can you help install java on an offline machine? |
| 23:43.51 | themill | dpkg: tell LinuxGuy2009 about apt-zip |
| 23:43.54 | abrotman | aptitude install sun-java5-jre sun-java5-plugin |
| 23:44.16 | themill | 6! |
| 23:44.33 | abrotman | not in lenny |
| 23:44.40 | themill | yes, in lenny... |
| 23:44.42 | markybob | LinuxGuy2009, wasn't mad at you. we were trying to help you and you just left and decided to do things on your own, instead of following the instructions that we gave you via the bot |
| 23:44.45 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Oh lord |
| 23:44.47 | abrotman | judd: versions sun-java6-plugin |
| 23:44.48 | judd | abrotman: sun-java6-plugin -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1 sid/non-free: 6-17-1 |
| 23:44.48 | themill | judd versions sun-java6-plugin --release lenny |
| 23:44.49 | judd | themill: sun-java6-plugin -- lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 |
| 23:44.53 | abrotman | judd: versions sun-java6-jre |
| 23:44.53 | judd | abrotman: sun-java6-jre -- etch-backports/non-free: 6-07-3~bpo40+1 sid/non-free: 6-10-2 lenny/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-12-1 sid/non-free: 6-16-1 squeeze/non-free: 6-16-1 sid/non-free: 6-17-1 |
| 23:45.00 | abrotman | oh .. then 6 . whatever |
| 23:45.07 | themill | abrotman: you're thinking of etch :) |
| 23:45.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | markybob: bots are as usefull as my left nut. |
| 23:45.19 | abrotman | i thought i did it about five minutes ago and lenny didn't come up |
| 23:45.21 | markybob | LinuxGuy2009, ok. then go away. |
| 23:45.23 | Thumpity | magyar: why does that matter ... do you not have access to the fringe router at the two locations? I assume the locations both have a router that connects them to the internet and public IP? Do they need access to the internet too or just each other? |
| 23:45.33 | markybob | LinuxGuy2009, if you're not willing to listen, it doesnt matter what we tell you |
| 23:45.45 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin .. do NOT use that .bin from Sun |
| 23:45.46 | LinuxGuy2009 | markybob: If you know how please then share. Otherwise.....\ |
| 23:45.49 | paradoxmonkey | What is the difference of starting a partition @ 1 instead of 63? |
| 23:45.58 | markybob | LinuxGuy2009, i have. and now abrotman has |
| 23:46.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Ok that does help me. Ok. |
| 23:46.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | markybob: Your no help at all. |
| 23:46.23 | abrotman | you're |
| 23:46.46 | magyar | Thumpity: internet also, two remote locations, they should be able to do their own business, but if one needs to connect to from site A to site B, the VPN gets used |
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| 23:47.08 | markybob | ok. pointless to be mad on a sunday, i suppose |
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| 23:48.18 | markybob | i tried to tell you about non-free...i linked you to the packages.debian.org/sun-java6-jre & plugin page...but hey, whatever |
| 23:48.20 | LinuxGuy2009 | abrotman: Right on man! Worked perfectly. Thanks very much. |
| 23:48.39 | LinuxGuy2009 | markybob: lets move on |
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| 23:49.50 | markybob | it'd be nice if you apoligized |
| 23:50.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | Sorry i left earlier I had real life to deal with so i cant stay here 12 hours a day. hehe |
| 23:50.26 | LinuxGuy2009 | markybob: Im moving on |
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| 23:51.46 | ali3n | do i need all 5 dvds? |
| 23:51.52 | markybob | ali3n, no |
| 23:52.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | ali3n: If you have the bandwidth its nice to have em. I have all 5 ISOs automatically mounted on bootup. Can install anything in like 2 sec flat. its nice. |
| 23:52.54 | ali3n | so what ones do i need? |
| 23:52.56 | markybob | ali3n, you dont need any. you can get just the netinst cd |
| 23:53.08 | ali3n | i got no cd just dvd :P |
| 23:53.15 | dvs | ali3n: or just the first one |
| 23:53.21 | markybob | you can burn cd iso to a dvd :P |
| 23:53.30 | ali3n | ya but its a waste lol |
| 23:53.33 | markybob | wtf |
| 23:53.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any DVD images of the non-free repo or do I have to make my own if I want it? |
| 23:53.40 | dvs | ali3n: get the first DVD then |
| 23:53.47 | ctmjr | why oh why |
| 23:53.50 | ali3n | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/iso-dvd/debian-503-i386-DVD-1.iso doesnt work |
| 23:54.02 | abrotman | LinuxGuy2009: don't exist |
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| 23:54.04 | LinuxGuy2009 | ok |
| 23:54.55 | markybob | ali3n, downloading 4.5G is a waste when you can download 150MB and then get the packages you need. |
| 23:55.09 | LinuxGuy2009 | I wonder how big the non-free repo is in data size. |
| 23:55.23 | ali3n | its a waste of a dvd then if its just 150mb |
| 23:55.25 | dvs | ali3n: you could try a mirror |
| 23:55.55 | abrotman | they're on the mirror i'm looking at |
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| 23:56.39 | ali3n | will this be correct if i burn it... a few times they didnt work lol |
| 23:56.52 | markybob | ali3n, so check the md5sum |
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| 23:57.07 | Thumpity | magyar: so if you use static routes on your router and you say any request for B network gets routed to 192.168.2.2/30, and any request on the A end gets routed to 192.168.2.1/30 wouldn't that work? |
| 23:57.26 | Thumpity | magyar: correction, for the A end |
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| 23:57.55 | ali3n | idk how |
| 23:58.12 | themill | dpkg: tell ali3n about check iso image |
| 23:58.34 | magyar | Thumpity: i think that is pretty much the only way, as the network numbers are different |
| 23:58.42 | themill | ali3n: funnily enough, the installation notes cover this and google is a pretty useful resource too. |
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| 23:59.07 | markybob | themill, that would be a waste of bandwidth, i'm sure. |
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