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| 00:02.00 | jhutchins_lt | oso3000: Still around? |
| 00:02.07 | jhutchins_lt | Guess not. |
| 00:04.02 | Thumpity | magyar: I am sure it would be a pretty involved setup process, but in theory it should work. I have to admit I never actually configured that particular setup. The more straight forward option and probably more common is routing an entire branch office through the VPN so that even their internet requests cross the VPN, usually so they can be logged and filtered on the other end. This makes there connection a lot slower but in some o |
| 00:04.03 | Thumpity | rganizations where they cant duplicate filtering solutions in the branch office due to cost it is a solution. |
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| 00:06.04 | Thumpity | magyar: I imagine some organizations maintain a separate interface/hand-off on their router and place the burden on their ISP to make sure that pipe looks like a dedicated circuit, but I am sure that option will be more costly. |
| 00:06.09 | magyar | Thumpity: it sounds like fun, I'll need to do some testing with different setups, I'd hate to change subnets |
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| 00:08.00 | raekism | !flash |
| 00:08.00 | dpkg | from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 00:08.00 | Thumpity | magyar: Good luck, I had a pretty good experience getting decent support/help from the OpenVPN community when I was working with their product. |
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| 00:09.17 | magyar | Thumpity: OpenVPN seems to be the de facto. Other implementations are not very active |
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| 00:14.10 | LinuxGuy2009 | sun-java6-jre_6-12-1_all.deb & sun-java6-bin_6-12-1_i386.deb are both installed and still no java plugin working in iceweasel. |
| 00:15.02 | dvs | LinuxGuy2009: that's not what abrotman said |
| 00:15.13 | Thumpity | magyar: should have watched the laptop battery a little closer... : ) ... That is what led me to OpenVPN, I looked at FreeSWAN first but I hear it can be a difficult product to work with |
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| 00:15.36 | LinuxGuy2009 | dvs: Umm yeah it is. |
| 00:15.47 | magyar | Thumpity: :) |
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| 00:16.01 | dvs | sun-java6-plugin |
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| 00:16.16 | LinuxGuy2009 | dvs: thanks |
| 00:17.32 | paradoxmonkey | Can someone explain this: /dev/loop2 83M 1.6M 77M 2% /tmp/imgbuilder |
| 00:17.48 | magyar | Thumpity: i worked with racoon, and it seems to be a bit of a pita at first |
| 00:17.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | Thank you abrotman & dvs! |
| 00:17.58 | paradoxmonkey | 83-1.6!=77 |
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| 00:18.38 | paradoxmonkey | got ^ by running df -h |
| 00:19.03 | abrotman | why don't people listen to me?! |
| 00:19.15 | dvs | abrotman: did you say something? |
| 00:19.17 | AimHere | Did someone say something? |
| 00:19.27 | AimHere | Heh |
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| 00:20.24 | paradoxmonkey | I seem to be missing 4.4 MB |
| 00:20.43 | Thumpity | magyar: I have heard of that product... never used it though... sounds like I should continue to not use it... hehe |
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| 00:21.52 | paradoxmonkey | How come that of a 83 MB partition only 77 MB is available? |
| 00:22.07 | magyar | Thumpity: in some cases you have no choice (ex: VoIP devices that have only juniper/cisco IPSec built-in) |
| 00:23.05 | Thumpity | magyar: I was googling I do see a lot of reference to Cisco's stuff. Our institution is still on PBX... maybe raccoon is in my future. |
| 00:23.29 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: on an ext3 filesystem, by default, 5% of the space is reserved for root |
| 00:23.54 | dvs | and then theirs inodes |
| 00:24.31 | paradoxmonkey | but this is a mounted loopback raw image created with dd |
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| 00:24.43 | paradoxmonkey | and it's ext2 |
| 00:24.48 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: ext2 is the same |
| 00:25.00 | Thumpity | magyar: signing off... have a good night. thanks for the chat |
| 00:25.37 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: for two reasons: 1. so that root can log in and fix things even if the disk is full 2. (more importantly) to help reduce fragmentation |
| 00:26.15 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: you can change it with tune2fs -m or -r |
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| 00:26.29 | paradoxmonkey | so when I format with ext2/ext3 some space is reserved for root? |
| 00:26.34 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: yes |
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| 00:28.34 | sandman | Any particular reason why sound might only be coming out of my PC Speaker instead of out of my Sound Blaster Live! Value? |
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| 00:31.19 | paradoxmonkey | I set tune2fs -r 0 but still 2% of the drive is used after format |
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| 00:31.46 | rgr | sandman: becaue Linux soudnd configruation is still a pigs ear. Did you run alsa-mixer? |
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| 00:32.27 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: those are probably the inodes |
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| 00:32.50 | paradoxmonkey | what exactly are inodes? |
| 00:32.52 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: default is 256-byte inodes, and one inode per 16 KiB, which works out to about 1.5% |
| 00:33.07 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: inodes are where file metadata is stored |
| 00:33.17 | sandman | rgr: Not yet. I'm sitting in GNOME, though. |
| 00:33.23 | sandman | Can I the mixer there? |
| 00:33.30 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: in ext2/3, inodes are pre-reserved when the fs is created |
| 00:33.34 | sandman | It appears to have 3 different devices for some reason |
| 00:33.40 | sandman | even though I only have one sound card... |
| 00:33.51 | sandman | I have the on-board sound set to "Auto", could that be screwing it up? |
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| 00:34.24 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: each file (ignoring multiple hard links to the same file) uses one inode... when you run out, you can no longer create new files |
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| 00:34.42 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: but as I said they're reserved when the fs is created |
| 00:35.16 | paradoxmonkey | Well the thing is that I need to know how much space to reserve then I create the dd raw image |
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| 00:36.35 | paradoxmonkey | So in the raw file I reserved 65536 bytes for the mbr/partition table but still I'm missing space |
| 00:36.46 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: you want a filesystem that is capable of holding 83 MiB of data? |
| 00:37.39 | sandman | I'm showing, for Devices in the GNOME Mixer, 0: pcspkr (Alsa mixer) 1: SB Live! Value [CT4670] (Alsa mixer) 2: PC-Speaker (OSS-Mixer) |
| 00:38.10 | sandman | And all sound is apparently trying to come out of the PC Speaker. |
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| 00:39.21 | paradoxmonkey | When creating a raw image I need to set the size. Say I need to copy 79MB into a partition on that raw image I would create a raw image that is 79MB + space reserved for MBR/partition table |
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| 00:40.18 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: plus about 2% for inodes and superblocks, at least for ext2/3 |
| 00:41.19 | sandman | Okay, I just launched the alsamixer utility, and it makes literally no sense to me at all. |
| 00:41.29 | paradoxmonkey | so the raw image is gone be: size of files to copy + reserved space for mbr/partition table + 2% for inodes, right? |
| 00:42.12 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: also remember that files are allocated space in units of blocks |
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| 00:42.52 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: so if you have 1 million 83-byte files, it's going to take more like 4 GB |
| 00:43.39 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: (unless you use a smaller-than-normal block size, but 1KiB is the minimum) |
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| 00:45.13 | sandman | How does one set one sound card as the one to be used? |
| 00:45.29 | sandman | My system is stuffing all sound output to my PC Speaker... I haven't the faintest idea why. Doesn't make a shred of sense. |
| 00:45.54 | paradoxmonkey | How can I add in % to a sh variable? DIR_SIZE=$(($DIR_SIZE*1.2)) doesn't work... |
| 00:45.55 | sandman | I just installed Debian. I tried to play some music @ pandora, and all that happens is my PC speaker starts growling. When I close the program, said growling goes away. |
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| 00:46.17 | \amethyst | sandman: you said the sound blaster was device 1 ? |
| 00:46.21 | sandman | Yea |
| 00:47.47 | \amethyst | sandman: in /etc/asound.conf (create it if it doesn't exist): defaults.ctl.card 1 and defaults.pcm.card 1 (two different lines) |
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| 00:48.23 | \amethyst | sandman: http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ026 |
| 00:48.40 | \amethyst | sandman: you can also use ~/.asoundrc to set the default device on a per-user basis |
| 00:50.03 | sandman | What would possess Debian to select my PC speaker as the primary sound output device, I wonder |
| 00:50.08 | \amethyst | sandman: hm, actually, I might be wrong about that, since the FAQ is suggesting setting it a different way |
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| 00:50.46 | sandman | Do you think it might be because, maybe, I have on-board audio also |
| 00:50.51 | sandman | And it's set to "Auto" in the BIOS? |
| 00:50.54 | Justin | sandman: the pc speaker driver is being loaded first |
| 00:50.55 | sandman | Perhaps I should purposely set it to off. |
| 00:51.27 | sandman | Justin: Hm. You mean to tell me, anyone who has a PC speaker will have it set to the default sound output device? |
| 00:51.33 | Justin | sandman: no |
| 00:51.36 | Justin | sandman: aplay -l |
| 00:51.40 | sandman | Must be a lot of confused Debian newbies out there =) |
| 00:51.43 | sandman | Aye |
| 00:51.50 | \amethyst | I don't have the pc speaker listed |
| 00:52.57 | sandman | Justin: I see my pcspkr @ the top |
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| 00:53.12 | sandman | card 0: pcsp [pcsp], device 0: pcspeaker [pcsp] |
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| 00:56.28 | paradoxmonkey | How do I do multiplication with floating point in a sh script |
| 00:56.30 | paradoxmonkey | ? |
| 00:57.00 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: call out to bc... shell itself doesn't do non-integers |
| 00:57.03 | oh-hey | kill -9 $$ |
| 00:57.25 | paradoxmonkey | what is bc? |
| 00:57.34 | nevyn | calculator |
| 00:57.56 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: an arbitrary-precision calculator (so technically not floating-point) |
| 00:58.05 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: product=$(echo "7.2 * 3.6" | bc) |
| 00:58.25 | nevyn | obase=16 ftw |
| 00:58.39 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: though you should note that division is a bit funny |
| 00:59.29 | paradoxmonkey | thx |
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| 01:01.01 | \amethyst | the other option is to use ksh93 (the package 'ksh', not mksh or pdksh), which supports floating-point in $(( )) expressions |
| 01:01.05 | sandman | Okay, I issued a modprobe -r pcsp |
| 01:01.17 | sandman | And now, when I try to test a sound, just to make sure it works, I get a rather long error message. |
| 01:01.24 | sandman | Now the only device showing is my SBLive!Value |
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| 01:02.50 | paradoxmonkey | \amethyst: how do I round of the returned value? |
| 01:03.07 | ewet | hi, this is awesome.. is there _any_ way to tell tilda to behave like a login shell?! |
| 01:04.05 | jmarsden | \amethyst: "division is a bit funny"? Looks OK if you use scale: echo 'scale=10;1/3' |bc -q |
| 01:04.51 | \amethyst | jmarsden: that's what I meant... unlike multiplication, addition, and subtraction, division uses 'scale' rather than the scale of the inputs |
| 01:04.58 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: round to what? |
| 01:05.31 | paradoxmonkey | to the nearest integer upward... |
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| 01:06.13 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: you can divide by 1 to truncate towards zero |
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| 01:07.11 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: rounding away from zero is somewhat more complicated |
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| 01:08.11 | jmarsden | \amethyst: (x + 0.5)/1 # will probably do it? |
| 01:08.28 | paradoxmonkey | I don't fallow you - say 55.33/1 is still 55.33 and not 56 |
| 01:08.34 | \amethyst | jmarsden: that's round-to-nearest (assuming x is positive) |
| 01:08.35 | paradoxmonkey | or 54 |
| 01:08.55 | \amethyst | paradoxmonkey: in bc, unless you have set 'scale', 55.33/1 should give 55 |
| 01:10.07 | paradoxmonkey | he this bc is really a funky way of counting... |
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| 01:19.48 | acu | howto remove only one aplication (libx264-79) from marrilat repository makes my vlc squash the video and render b and white - however if I want to however if I want to remove libx264 it does remove a ton of other applications - I forgot what is the command to remove only one |
| 01:20.59 | acu | is anybody awake ? |
| 01:22.45 | acu | everybody is emo and angry ? |
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| 01:31.01 | abrotman | acu: just remove it ? |
| 01:31.37 | acu | abrotman: it takes a lot more stuff - and is very cold here in MN :) |
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| 01:32.57 | abrotman | acu: i noticed the weather earlier today .. i'm not happy a bout it |
| 01:33.09 | abrotman | acu: are you using aptitude? check the man page for unmarkauto |
| 01:33.48 | ewet | so gnome just does the wrong thing gain?.. |
| 01:33.49 | acu | abrotman: I use mostly synaptic, aptitude requires just one more neuron than I have :) |
| 01:33.54 | ewet | again |
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| 01:38.24 | abrotman | acu: don't know if synaptic can do that |
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| 01:39.28 | acu | yes, I have to acquire that last neuron to use aptitude properly :( |
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| 01:40.02 | acu | however I need a squirt of Dopamine (both for positive stimulation and decision kick) |
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| 01:41.38 | acu | the reason is that my VLC squashes the image on the left and gives black and white - I have the same problem before - solved it and forgot about it (is like in love - if you do not loose, you forget fast :) ) |
| 01:42.21 | Mr_Brown | Hi I try to do a uupdate of package gq, I have gq-1.0.0 gq_1.0.0-3.diff.gz gq_1.0.0-3.dsc and gq-1.3.4.tar.gz that is the new source, the procedure I did it #cd gq-1.0.0 #uupdate -u ../gq-1.3.4.tar.gz #cd ../gq-1.3.4 |
| 01:42.53 | Mr_Brown | #debuild dpatch' will not be represented in diff |
| 01:42.54 | Mr_Brown | dpkg-source: info: building gq in gq_1.3.4-1.dsc |
| 01:42.54 | Mr_Brown | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:42.54 | Mr_Brown | test -d debian/patched || install -d debian/patched |
| 01:42.54 | Mr_Brown | dpatch apply-all |
| 01:42.54 | Mr_Brown | applying patch 02_deletepassonask to ./ ... failed. |
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| 02:01.04 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 02:17.06 | jpinx-eeepc | my alsa has somehow got broken, so I purged, and re'installed and ran alsamixer, but when I try to play something in vlc, there is no sound and when I try to debug according to dpkg, I get this ... http://pastebin.com/d5c89c0a8 |
| 02:17.09 | Alexandra | Hey folks, can someone tell me how to find out the disksize of a partition via uuid? |
| 02:17.32 | Alexandra | df -h /dev/disk/by-uuid/whatever |
| 02:17.37 | Alexandra | doesn't help |
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| 02:24.01 | Tramp | Alexandra: maybe df -h $(readlink -f /dev/disk/by-uuid/whatever) |
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| 02:25.10 | Alexandra | Hi Tramp: nope :( |
| 02:25.25 | Tramp | why |
| 02:26.26 | Alexandra | Good question ;) |
| 02:26.39 | Alexandra | I guess because it work on dev |
| 02:26.53 | Alexandra | And not on the actual partition |
| 02:27.05 | Tramp | I mean - if you run that command, what happens? |
| 02:27.48 | Alexandra | readlink -f /dev/disk/by-uuid/ed72e7ef-b966-4774-b9b4-a551773d5de4 --> /dev/sda1 (GOOD!) |
| 02:28.12 | Alexandra | df -h $(readlink -f /dev/disk/by-uuid/ed72e7ef-b966-4774-b9b4-a551773d5de4) --> udev 10M 248K 9.8M 3% /dev |
| 02:29.06 | Tramp | huh. weird, becuase for me it works as expected.... |
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| 02:29.21 | Alexandra | For sdX devices? |
| 02:29.30 | Alexandra | It work for me for hdX devices as well |
| 02:29.46 | Alexandra | But sda1 is an external hard drive |
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| 02:30.03 | Alexandra | This could be the issue?! |
| 02:30.07 | Tramp | Good point. Tested with something under /dev/mapper .. hang on ... |
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| 02:32.06 | Tramp | yes, works fine with my sda1 (which actually is my boot-partition) |
| 02:32.39 | Alexandra | Ok |
| 02:32.58 | Alexandra | Hmm ..., the problem seems to be that it is an external device? |
| 02:33.00 | Tramp | but it actually fails with an external disk as well for me |
| 02:33.01 | Tramp | yes |
| 02:33.11 | Alexandra | Ah, so there it is |
| 02:33.31 | Tramp | but then df -h does not work as well |
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| 02:36.03 | Alexandra | nope, that works for me |
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| 02:36.12 | Tramp | ah, ok it's not mounted |
| 02:36.51 | Alexandra | yes :) |
| 02:36.57 | Alexandra | Had the same at first |
| 02:37.09 | Alexandra | Ok, have to go, will look at it later |
| 02:37.11 | Alexandra | Thanks anyway! |
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| 02:43.53 | _2 | i found the root cause of the boot issue i was asking about yesterday. "no link in /dev/disk/by-uuid/ for the usbstick" it seems that the system can handel partitionless internal disks (ide/scsi/sata) but can't seem to handle external partitionless (usb in particular) creating a partition and migrating to there fixed my boot issue. then i reinstalled just to streighten out the package issue ;/ |
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| 02:44.42 | nibby | Just want to let you know |
| 02:44.51 | _2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:44.54 | nibby | Installed Debian today, everything all setup. |
| 02:44.56 | nibby | Works fine. |
| 02:45.03 | nibby | Ran into a sound/flash issue but I fixed it. |
| 02:45.14 | nibby | http://i50.tinypic.com/2i2649v.png - My desktop |
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| 02:45.56 | _2 | oh reminds me. what app handels the volume knob on laptops ? |
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| 02:48.14 | _2 | AkneeBodie ? |
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| 02:51.13 | kleini_ | hi |
| 02:51.35 | kleini_ | anyone awake? |
| 02:51.39 | abrotman | lots of people |
| 02:51.43 | kleini_ | cool |
| 02:52.08 | kleini_ | i'm a noob++ |
| 02:52.14 | kleini_ | just a heads up :p |
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| 02:52.56 | kleini_ | i got a new pc, and i was thinking of installing multiple distros on it |
| 02:53.56 | kleini_ | like 5, debian and arch for sure, but i want to leave room for ubuntu or slackware or gentoo.. so i was thinking about 5 diffrent partitions + some extra partitions for /home etc |
| 02:54.18 | kleini_ | does that sound like a totaly bad idea? |
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| 02:55.01 | kleini_ | atm it is running slackware because that was the first disc i found, but its way too much work as a main distro |
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| 02:55.45 | kleini_ | also, i tried installing debian, but there was something wrong with the install disc... |
| 02:56.13 | kleini_ | anyway, anyone here experience with multiple distros that use the same /home etc...? |
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| 02:58.26 | DogBoy | yea it sounds like a totally bad idea |
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| 02:59.44 | iceroot | kleini_: not working |
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| 03:00.07 | kleini_ | can you tell me why (apart from the fact that those distros will play with the same files thus ruining it for each other) |
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| 03:00.32 | iceroot | kleini_: in home there are conffiles for many many programs. different distros are delivering different versions of the programs (for e.g. different kde or gnome) |
| 03:01.15 | iceroot | kleini_: 3 distros i know which will all use the same home |
| 03:01.25 | iceroot | ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu :) |
| 03:01.30 | kleini_ | hehe :) |
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| 03:02.05 | kleini_ | ok, so i should stick to a shared file partition only? |
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| 03:03.28 | iceroot | kleini_: use something like datashare and mount it into home so u will have ~/datashare |
| 03:03.35 | iceroot | thats the way i would do it |
| 03:03.43 | kleini_ | i see |
| 03:03.47 | ali3n | jsut wasted a cd |
| 03:03.48 | ali3n | great |
| 03:04.34 | kleini_ | ok, now the real noob question: which iso should i download for a intel i5 processor, 64bit? |
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| 03:05.06 | iceroot | kleini_: how much ram? |
| 03:05.17 | kleini_ | 4, but much room for more |
| 03:05.28 | iceroot | then 64bit with 4gb |
| 03:05.51 | iceroot | otherwise you dont see 4gb ram with 32bit (not using pae) |
| 03:06.06 | kleini_ | i know that part :) |
| 03:06.14 | kleini_ | but which iso is it? |
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| 03:06.43 | iceroot | kleini_: amd64 |
| 03:07.04 | kleini_ | thanks |
| 03:07.13 | Nciss | while installing debina i had an error that didn't gave me the option to install the gui, mail, dns etc packages, how can i get to this screen back from my installed debian? |
| 03:07.27 | iceroot | Nciss: dont need the screen |
| 03:07.33 | iceroot | Nciss: use apt-get install for it |
| 03:07.57 | Nciss | iceroot: i prefer to use the screen options |
| 03:08.30 | iceroot | Nciss: then its impossible top help you, because "i get an error" is a very bad description |
| 03:09.08 | Nciss | iceroot: i'm sure that there is a command to get the packages screen back from the installed debian, i've used it before but i dont remember the command |
| 03:09.55 | Nciss | iceroot: the error isn't importent because i only want to know the command, you can think that i've just ignored the screen and countinued my installation and now i want to use it |
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| 03:12.35 | Nciss | anyone? |
| 03:12.48 | Johnny_buffalo | need help getting this dvd out of my drive: it is not mounted |
| 03:13.06 | Johnny_buffalo | I won't eject witht he button on the drive |
| 03:13.29 | Johnny_buffalo | it* |
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| 03:14.35 | abrotman | what's the error ? |
| 03:14.43 | abrotman | there's always the paper clip method |
| 03:15.03 | Johnny_buffalo | To be honest I do not know |
| 03:15.09 | Johnny_buffalo | It will not auto mount |
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| 03:17.34 | Johnny_Buffalo | closed wrong window |
| 03:17.53 | Johnny_Buffalo | Probleme mit DVD-Montage: Legen Sie eine DVD und es ist nicht auto-mount |
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| 03:20.10 | Johnny_Buffalo | wha is the standard way of mounting a DVD, and can I get it to auto mount instead of ytping the cammand each time? |
| 03:20.14 | Johnny_Buffalo | what* |
| 03:20.25 | Johnny_Buffalo | typing* |
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| 03:27.48 | Nciss | i'm trying to compile with gcc and get "/usr/bin/ld crti.o no such file" |
| 03:27.54 | Nciss | any idea why? |
| 03:28.52 | abrotman | using which command? |
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| 03:32.41 | Nciss1 | gcc |
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| 03:34.47 | Johnny_Buffalo | Why is it that debian has a hard time mounting cd's? |
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| 03:36.05 | koollman | Johnny_Buffalo: you have a hard time doing it. not debian. debian is a project. |
| 03:36.49 | Johnny_Buffalo | either way it is still not mounting, a point in the right direction if you could |
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| 03:39.27 | koollman | Johnny_Buffalo: what does the error message say, in english ? (something about the dvd ... not being auto-mount?) |
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| 03:45.03 | matiu | Is "Debian Installer" ( http://code.turnkeylinux.org/di-live/docs/README ) |
| 03:45.17 | matiu | something that can be used to run a .iso I downloaded onto my VPS |
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| 03:51.18 | abrotman | and he ran away |
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| 03:51.26 | Johnny_Buffalo | idk |
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| 03:52.28 | phorce1 | how does one set permissions on a dynamically allocated USB device that does nou "mount" like a hard drive? Talking about a cell phone here that is called by BitPim as usb::007::009::2 at least that's what it is this connection time. That would be /dev/usbdev7.9_ep02. |
| 03:52.44 | abrotman | udev rules |
| 03:52.58 | Johnny_Buffalo | how about dvd's |
| 03:53.02 | Johnny_Buffalo | i cant mount them |
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| 03:53.56 | phorce1 | abrotman: so I'll need to note the pid and vid and set permissions on those using udev rules so it is accessible by a specific group |
| 03:54.14 | abrotman | i thought you wanted to change the perms on the device |
| 03:54.25 | phorce1 | regardless of what USB id it grabs when plugged in |
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| 03:55.34 | phorce1 | I do but I don't always plug it in to the same USB port and I've seen it show up as different usb::xx::yy::z |
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| 03:56.07 | Nciss | i have debian sarge, there is a soecific source.list that i can use for sarge? |
| 03:59.37 | Johnny_Buffalo | mount /dev/sr0 |
| 03:59.39 | Johnny_Buffalo | mount: No medium found |
| 03:59.47 | Johnny_Buffalo | any help? |
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| 04:00.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Johnny_Buffalo: try fdisk -l to show you what the system has recognised |
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| 04:03.56 | kleini_ | ok, i got this real cool thing again :p |
| 04:04.14 | Johnny_Buffalo | here is my fdisk output: http://pastebin.com/m7b99b349 |
| 04:04.27 | kleini_ | the debian install doesn't seem to recognise my disc drive while already in the installer :D |
| 04:05.00 | kleini_ | *sigh* |
| 04:05.25 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 04:05.26 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
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| 04:06.08 | sandman | If my host OS is 64-bit (Lenny), would it be faster to run Lenny 32-bit or Lenny 64-bit in a virtualbox? |
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| 04:12.11 | encrypttp | i have a bridge between eth0 and eth1.. i see some flooding on my server and i just did some iptables -F (forwarding default policy is DROP).. but on iptstate i still see many ESTABLISHED connections.. wondering if is there any way to "clean" all these connections? |
| 04:12.31 | lotus-blade | is lenny version 5.0? |
| 04:12.36 | sandman | Yes sir. |
| 04:12.48 | lotus-blade | thanks |
| 04:13.53 | lotus-blade | what is the easiest way to see if I am up 2 date? is there something with apt-get I have to do? sorry coming from very old redhat |
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| 04:17.05 | craigevil | lotus-blade: aptitude update, aptitude upgrade |
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| 04:24.05 | gesichtslos | Hey, I'm trying to install Debian Lenny on my Dell PowerEdge 4400. I have the SCSI drives plugged directly into the mobo and not the raid card but the installer still isn't able to find them. They're Seagate Cheetah's (36.4GB) Any ideas? Or am I stuck with CentOS :[ |
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| 04:27.57 | asri | "/msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 04:30.44 | asri | having trouble booting into single user mode as disk corruption occurs after a root password request have searched various places to no avail anyone around with similar issues |
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| 04:44.05 | sandman | What will be faster in a virtualbox? A 32-bit or a 64-bit guest? |
| 04:44.09 | sandman | If the host is 64-bit, that is |
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| 04:51.15 | PiousMinion | In reference to /etc/hosts.{allow,deny}, which is processed first and is this changable? |
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| 05:01.15 | amphi | PiousMinion: try man hosts.allow |
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| 05:03.24 | PiousMinion | amphi: man hosts.allow != hosts.allow man page... but has the info I needed. thanks. :) |
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| 05:05.05 | amphi | PiousMinion: I know ;) |
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| 05:18.42 | unknownworlds | #ubuntu |
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| 05:30.30 | confusid | Hello, when compiling packages would I have to use intel for intel or could I use an old athlon for compiling then copy it to my intel and install? |
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| 05:40.29 | goose | I've got an additional internal HD in my PC, how do I mount it? |
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| 05:46.10 | goose | er, made a bit of an advancement. I found the hard drive under "Computer", but I can't mount it by double clicking it, and I don't know how to find the mount point for it to mount via terminal... is there a way I can get the system to automount it on startup? |
| 05:46.24 | nevyn | confusid: you could compile it on your old athlon. |
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| 05:47.06 | nevyn | confusid: in fact you can build on a arm or powerpc or whatever you like if you get really energetic |
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| 05:52.23 | tensorpudding | if /proc/cpuinfo doesn't say sse3, does that mean that the cpu does not have sse3 support? |
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| 06:29.25 | N894 | 822 users ?????????????????????????? |
| 06:29.44 | N894 | flea market ? |
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| 06:31.04 | teatimeh | N894: This is the channel for Debian GNU/Linux. |
| 06:31.36 | N894 | linux is an OS . |
| 06:31.44 | N894 | what is gnu debian ? |
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| 06:31.56 | teatimeh | Linux is a kernel. Debian GNU/Linux is an operating system. |
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| 06:38.38 | jeronimo | how can i unload all modules? |
| 06:39.03 | seeS | doesnt the new debian installer do software raid? or is that something that happens after lvm? |
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| 06:42.18 | LinuxGuy2009 | I had to download the newest bz2 file of the newest version of ALSA and manually ./configure, make, make install. I have 2 bz2 files that i did that with but im not sure if I also installed one called alsa-utils. It doesnt seem to show up in synaptic so how can i check if I installed that before so that I know if I need to add that to a CDR for later use? |
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| 06:46.19 | seeS | the problem is with downloading your own files is it out of the control of dpkg |
| 06:46.23 | seeS | ah well he went |
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| 06:48.36 | teatimeh | seeS: yeah I really wasn't up to going down that road |
| 06:49.32 | seeS | nuts, the installer is installing |
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| 07:07.11 | jakaram | hello, what is the most usual VPN setup for 2-3 clients using windows 7/xp to connect to a debian gateway nowdays ? |
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| 07:09.04 | teatimeh | jakaram: probably OpenVPN. |
| 07:10.53 | jakaram | ok will start read about it |
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| 07:24.36 | eulalia | I'm getting "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume." when I try to access my Windows XP partition; anyone know why/how to fix this? |
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| 07:25.07 | seeS | what are you typing? |
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| 07:27.39 | |eagles0513875| | how can i query the bot about a package if i can at all |
| 07:28.58 | eulalia | seeS, not typing, just Places -> Computer -> 45.7 GB Volume |
| 07:28.59 | DogBoy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:29.12 | DogBoy | then just type in whatever |
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| 07:30.10 | seeS | hmm, im not sure what flags its using then |
| 07:31.02 | |eagles0513875| | basically i would like to know what the name of the packages are that i need to install for xen |
| 07:31.59 | seeS | there are plenty of xen on debian pages |
| 07:32.03 | seeS | its only a few packages |
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| 08:19.26 | initmax | hi all! I installed openoffice.org-writer and I want start openoffice or openoffice.org-writerat into my console, but office not started, how can start this application? |
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| 08:21.39 | MrTorque | i need some help with samba and acl. i did remount with acl and added nt acl support = yes to smb.conf. still i can NOT change permissions from windows. |
| 08:23.18 | initmax | MrTorque are you looked chmod ? |
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| 08:27.00 | MrTorque | initmax: what do i need to set it? i did for testing chmod 777 test |
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| 08:28.11 | initmax | to setted -R ? |
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| 08:29.42 | MrTorque | what do you mean? chmod -R 777 test?? |
| 08:29.54 | initmax | yep |
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| 08:33.31 | initmax | MrTorque: want you to change permission in Linux with windows? |
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| 08:35.29 | itsosimpo | how do i set pidgin so that i join the same channels at login? |
| 08:35.35 | itsosimpo | same irc channels* |
| 08:35.53 | MrTorque | initmax: yes. there are some possibilities to do so. |
| 08:36.03 | MrTorque | acl and active directory |
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| 08:38.14 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 08:39.02 | gypsymauro | I need a program to keep syncronized my local folder with my website folder through ftp connection, what can I use? there is sitecopy but I 've problems with it |
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| 08:41.23 | initmax | gypsymauro: are you looked tnftp? |
| 08:42.31 | MrTorque | initmax: can you help me with that? |
| 08:42.32 | gypsymauro | no :) I look now |
| 08:42.55 | pav5088 | Has anything happened recently with the Cyrus IMAP packages? I'm having problems with certs which worked fine earlier. I have a local CA (ie. self signed certificate) and a cert and key for the server. I'm getting complaints in the log about |
| 08:43.00 | pav5088 | Mail method cannot connect: Certificate failure for debian-virtual.strategicit.homelinux.net: self signed certificate in certificate chain: /CN=Local CA |
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| 08:46.59 | initmax | MrTorque: no, sorry I did not do this |
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| 08:54.09 | mick_home | hi everyone, how do i search for a package source that requires a particular package? |
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| 08:55.20 | mick_home | hmm, i think it was apt-cache rdepends ... |
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| 09:00.07 | cast | the device mapper sure is neat |
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| 09:03.27 | groove | hi i'm trying to find the deb for the mysql-server-5.0 package with version 5.0.51a-24-log |
| 09:03.36 | groove | apparently it was released for lenny but i can't find it anywhere |
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| 09:04.55 | cast | Version: 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 |
| 09:05.10 | cast | close eough? |
| 09:05.45 | groove | no, i need that specific version for some tests |
| 09:08.00 | mick_home | you must be joking |
| 09:08.21 | mick_home | 5.0.51a-24 == 5.0.51a-24 |
| 09:08.49 | groove | you couldn't be more wrong |
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| 09:09.17 | groove | the release is different, there may be some specific patches to this version and i need to run tests against it |
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| 09:09.58 | vsMS | Hi!. Can someone tell me if it is possible or not to resign an already signed .deb package with an other gpg key? |
| 09:09.58 | cast | well, lenny has 5.0.51a-24+lenny2 |
| 09:10.38 | groove | i know that, and those packages are in the repo which makes it easy to find |
| 09:10.57 | groove | the package i'm looking for seems to be from the standard debian repo but it's not there |
| 09:11.02 | cast | when you say release for lenny, released by who? |
| 09:11.24 | mick_home | cast: i think that is the point that he is missing ;) |
| 09:11.55 | groove | i can only assume they have been released in the standard distribution by references i have found to it on the web |
| 09:12.03 | groove | but it could have been released by anybody |
| 09:12.37 | groove | the version_comment from the mysql server says (Debian) but that may not mean anything |
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| 09:21.52 | ElSofista | hello, i have a dedicated server that has 7 ips, how can i manage iceweasel for use a certain ip of all of those? |
| 09:22.01 | ElSofista | configuring it in proxy settings? |
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| 09:24.02 | ffrank | ElSofista: what do you mean? is iceweasel running on the server? should it use one of the IPs for outgoing connections? |
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| 09:24.46 | ElSofista | ffrank, yes, i using iceweasel on the server, and it gets one of those ips for outgoing connections, but i want use exactly one, not random |
| 09:25.48 | cast | does it really get one at random? |
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| 09:26.35 | ElSofista | well, i dont know if it is random, but is not the ip that i want use |
| 09:27.16 | cast | i would have guessed route would assist, but i'm not sure |
| 09:28.06 | ffrank | i'd be tempted to SNAT all outgoing connections to port 80, if all else fails |
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| 09:29.10 | ffrank | route would be a better guess though, yes |
| 09:29.31 | ElSofista | aha |
| 09:29.40 | MrTorque | what does the default:mask: mean (from getfacl)? |
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| 09:31.13 | ffrank | on an unrelated note, i notice my custom repository keeps giving me "Ign http://log.my-domain.net stable Release.gpg" on apt-get update and apt insists that my packages aren't trustworthy. why could that be? |
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| 09:33.18 | jelly | ffrank: your repository isn't signed, or you haven't imported the key into apt. |
| 09:33.50 | jelly | um, probably the latter since you seem to have a Release.gpg |
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| 09:48.02 | ffrank | jelly: i figured as much, however, i signed the Release file using gpg and copied the resulting Release.sig to Release.gpg. is that unsound? |
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| 09:55.31 | markit | hi, in DVD1 of Lenny, is there enough software for a basic installation with PostgreSQL, or in any case I need all the 4 DVD? I mean, has all the necessary software for a server installation been "concentrated" in the first DVD? |
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| 09:56.53 | mick_home | anyone made the leap from ext3->ext4? i just tried w/ squeeze and it didn't like: tune2fs -O extents,uninit_bg,dir_index /dev/hda1 |
| 09:57.04 | mick_home | it said: "invalid filesystem option" |
| 09:57.18 | mick_home | i was mounted as ext4 (would that have to do w/ it?) |
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| 09:58.10 | mick_home | i changed the fs in /etc/fstab and i rebooted before changing init levels (to 1) and then remounting / to ro |
| 09:58.27 | mick_home | my kernel looks supported |
| 09:58.52 | mick_home | 2.6.30-2 |
| 09:59.09 | jelly | ffrank: sorry, I've no idea how signed repos are made |
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| 10:02.42 | e7th04sh | hi |
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| 10:04.42 | mick_home | here is a screenshot: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7760/ext4.png |
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| 10:07.03 | ffrank | mick_home: not that i can help with that, but that screenshot does look truncated... |
| 10:07.16 | mick_home | it is |
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| 10:07.36 | mick_home | the rest has an error re:: --version not being valid ;) |
| 10:07.56 | mick_home | and it just spits out usage info |
| 10:08.15 | mick_home | i just thought that everything since 2.6.28 was supported :-/ |
| 10:09.37 | mick_home | i'd think that i don't need to recompile my kernel since i can boot into ext3 |
| 10:11.58 | ffrank | i don't see how ext3 support implies ext4 |
| 10:12.09 | mick_home | err, ext4 |
| 10:12.12 | e7th04sh | after upgrading from lenny to squeeze, my sound is a lot quieter |
| 10:12.17 | mick_home | i changed /etc/fstab to saw ext4 |
| 10:12.21 | mick_home | say* |
| 10:12.47 | e7th04sh | when i max everything i know of - amarok's volume, gnome's volume and speaker's volume, it's at correct level |
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| 10:13.01 | e7th04sh | before upgrade that would be extremely hurtful volume |
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| 10:13.51 | e7th04sh | i seem to have alsa-utils installed, but can't run alsa-conf |
| 10:13.56 | mick_home | e7th04sh: tried alsamixer? (not sure if there is something different there than gnome's volume) |
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| 10:14.17 | e7th04sh | mick_home, didn't but as you say it's probably that same one |
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| 10:14.21 | e7th04sh | thanks ill check it anyways |
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| 10:15.36 | mick_home | changing init levels back and forth screwing w/ this is annoying |
| 10:15.59 | mick_home | i loved moving from wxt2->ext3 |
| 10:16.42 | mick_home | ext2->ext3* |
| 10:16.42 | mick_home | that was easy |
| 10:16.42 | e7th04sh | alsamixer reports everything maxed |
| 10:16.46 | mick_home | e7th04sh: play w/ your audio cable |
| 10:16.55 | mick_home | does it "jump" in volume? |
| 10:16.57 | e7th04sh | of that, i am alrady a master :) |
| 10:17.00 | mick_home | (mine does) |
| 10:17.15 | e7th04sh | i have to do that everytime i want to have stero |
| 10:17.24 | mick_home | same here |
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| 10:17.38 | mick_home | i wonder if spidif fixed that type of crap |
| 10:18.21 | iceroot | how to install a *.deb which is using "Provides" and NOT in a repo? i just know dpkg but that cant handle "Provides" |
| 10:18.23 | simNIX | aptitude is better then apt-get in resolving problems ... it can run without options to get in a gui that als knows the bundles like desktop or db server ... |
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| 10:18.36 | cast | and it has minesweeper |
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| 10:18.53 | simNIX | (disregard pls - just woke up a backlog was way back - too old answer) |
| 10:18.53 | iceroot | cast: but no super-cow power |
| 10:19.12 | simNIX | yeah fun error - ) |
| 10:19.46 | mick_home | anyone who just woke up use ext4? |
| 10:19.49 | mick_home | :P |
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| 10:20.01 | simNIX | :o) |
| 10:20.04 | iceroot | apt-get moo :) |
| 10:20.07 | Argafal | ext4? FS FROM HELL? j/k ;) |
| 10:20.09 | simNIX | lolz |
| 10:20.16 | jelly | mick_home: yes but getting pressure from boss to go back to ext3 |
| 10:20.42 | mick_home | any chance that anyone can tell me why it says this: http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/7760/ext4.png |
| 10:20.47 | jelly | a couple fs corruptions never hurt anyone |
| 10:20.53 | mick_home | yikes |
| 10:20.56 | e7th04sh | anywan noec a good troubleshooting howto for slow 3d od debian? ;/ |
| 10:21.00 | mick_home | i thought it was now "stable" |
| 10:21.04 | simNIX | jelly; just curious for my own ever trying ext4; what can ext4 that you need that ext3 can't ? |
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| 10:21.19 | e7th04sh | i mean a list of all tests that should be done to determine the source of problem would be what i seek |
| 10:21.23 | mick_home | e7th04sh: enable hardware 3d acceloration |
| 10:21.28 | e7th04sh | mick_home, enabled |
| 10:21.44 | jelly | simNIX: fast contiguous allocation; fast fsck |
| 10:21.45 | e7th04sh | mick_home, at least glxinfo reportsd it, and glxgears gives >150 fps |
| 10:21.49 | iceroot | mick_home: if i a correct -o wants the type of filesystem (see man mount) |
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| 10:21.59 | simNIX | aha |
| 10:22.02 | jelly | mick_home: you're mistyping "extents" |
| 10:22.16 | gele | After recent upgrades (Testing) it takes two tries to get my laptop out of suspend - first I open the lid, which starts it up for a couple of seconds and then it shuts down again and I have to wake it back up by pressing the power button. |
| 10:22.19 | gele | And then it works. |
| 10:22.29 | Fink_x | greetings, i have been running debuild and got the following error-message: "dpkg-gencontrol: must specify package since control info has many ()" - reading the underlying dpkg-gencontrol-perl-script didnt really help... -.-" |
| 10:22.29 | gele | Does anyone have similar problems? |
| 10:22.49 | e7th04sh | gele my dad, but with windws vista ;p |
| 10:22.52 | gele | It prints something like "LNXPOWER:00: failed to resume: error -8" the first time. |
| 10:22.54 | jelly | mick_home: if I wanted to try the filesystem, I wouldn't convert an existing one, but rather backup, reformat, restore. |
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| 10:23.15 | mick_home | jelly: oh shit! thanks |
| 10:23.44 | ffrank | e7th04sh: 150fps doesn't sound like 3d is working, depending on your CPU speed |
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| 10:24.06 | e7th04sh | ffrank, 2.8 GH |
| 10:24.16 | ffrank | e7th04sh: yeah, definitely not working ;/ |
| 10:24.18 | gele | Maybe I should just try rebooting. It feels Windowsish though. |
| 10:24.30 | jelly | mick_home: it's not a oh shit mistake. But if you want to test the differences/benefits, that way all files will have been created using new features |
| 10:24.47 | e7th04sh | ffrank, well, the same with sound - it is damn quiter, and i seem to have alsa-utils but cant run alsa-conf |
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| 10:25.21 | e7th04sh | ffrank, i followed a googled advice on how to update from lenny |
| 10:25.38 | mick_home | jelly: when you keep going between init levels and rereading the wiki - only to be reading "extends" everytime you read "extents" -- that is an "oh shit" for me :) |
| 10:25.47 | ffrank | shrugs and continues using sidux sans problems |
| 10:26.02 | e7th04sh | :( |
| 10:26.19 | jelly | !alsa checklist |
| 10:26.20 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
| 10:26.34 | jelly | e7th04sh: I gather you're already been told the above? |
| 10:26.50 | gele | What is LNXPOWER anyway? It seems to be something ACPI-related. |
| 10:27.00 | e7th04sh | jelly haven't, thank you, let me try it |
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| 10:28.04 | mick_home | well, he has sound |
| 10:28.26 | mick_home | it is just not as loud as before |
| 10:29.06 | e7th04sh | jelly 7th (aplay noise) gives me noise audible only because i have everything set to max |
| 10:29.14 | e7th04sh | same with 3d - just not as smooth as used to |
| 10:29.16 | e7th04sh | ;f |
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| 10:30.25 | ffrank | e7th04sh: about the 3d thing - if you upgraded your kernel image, you probably need to recompile the proprietary driver, no? |
| 10:30.27 | e7th04sh | by max, i mean that i get white noise from my speakers all the time, it's all at cap |
| 10:30.30 | mick_home | e7th04sh: nvidia? |
| 10:30.39 | e7th04sh | ffrank, no, i use radeon driver |
| 10:30.47 | e7th04sh | mick_home, at radeon 9200 |
| 10:30.58 | ffrank | e7th04sh: well maybe you shouldn't ;) |
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| 10:31.19 | e7th04sh | priprietary left me behind years ago, i believe |
| 10:31.31 | e7th04sh | and it all worked yesterday before upgrade |
| 10:31.35 | mick_home | http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo#Enabling3Dacceleration |
| 10:31.50 | e7th04sh | i found someone with the same problem on the net, and the only reply was another guy with this problem |
| 10:32.09 | e7th04sh | all of us 3 had radeon 9200 se so it might be something tricky |
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| 10:33.13 | e7th04sh | mick_home, glxinfo says yes and glxgears gives, according to ffrank, a result correct for my CPU wthout 3d accelaration |
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| 10:34.03 | ffrank | e7th04sh: now, considering that your GPU is somewhat aged compared to your CPU, i can't be entirely sure. 150 is damn few frames, though |
| 10:35.24 | e7th04sh | ffrank, even if glxgears work correct, 3d games ceased to - openarena and tremulous both |
| 10:35.43 | e7th04sh | hm, it might be worth notng, that openarena is very slow even i the menu, which doesn't seem to use 3d |
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| 10:36.00 | e7th04sh | tremulous too, however it's menu has some animation in background that might be 3d |
| 10:36.05 | wvd | How do I reinstall debian on a VPS? |
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| 10:36.15 | ffrank | e7th04sh: either way, using the opensource driver is correct according to http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary |
| 10:36.40 | e7th04sh | ffrank, yes, i did check that before buggin people on irc :) |
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| 10:37.23 | mick_home | jelly: can't i just use chattr +e on all the files? |
| 10:37.38 | e7th04sh | a tricky problem, it seems that if i had even a different model of radeon 9200 it might have been ok |
| 10:37.48 | mick_home | or is there something else besides +e that i really should be looking at w/ ext4? |
| 10:38.20 | shamrock | mkdir .irssi |
| 10:38.24 | mick_home | wvd: contact your host, they usually just give you another image |
| 10:38.24 | shamrock | gah |
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| 10:39.10 | ffrank | shamerock |
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| 10:39.31 | wvd | mick_home: can't I do it manually? |
| 10:39.42 | wvd | mick_home: i think it's pretty fucked up, /home was gone and such |
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| 10:41.04 | mick_home | there are so many variables, just ask them for another image |
| 10:41.25 | mick_home | if you get access to some type of a control console where you can control the vps, then yes |
| 10:41.35 | wvd | mick_home: how would I check? |
| 10:41.49 | mick_home | d/l a netinstall and set the iso to boot from it, then go from there |
| 10:41.54 | e7th04sh | where should alsa-conf reside on hd? |
| 10:42.02 | mick_home | wvd: by calling the host |
| 10:42.11 | wvd | mick_home: ok. |
| 10:43.09 | e7th04sh | alsaconf* |
| 10:43.37 | e7th04sh | i think i have to reinstall the system |
| 10:43.42 | adb | !tell e7th04sh -about alsaconf |
| 10:44.14 | e7th04sh | adb thank you that explains it's absence |
| 10:44.20 | cast | wvd: using linode? |
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| 10:45.51 | mick_home | well now ext4 works |
| 10:46.05 | mick_home | somehow i thought that this would be more exciting than it was |
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| 10:50.39 | sandman | "Dec 21 04:48:43 debian dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.reason" << Debian uses Red Hat's DHCDBD? |
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| 10:52.06 | sandman | And secondly, I was wondering if anyone could tell me why my system load is constantly at 1.09 @ idle. This seems strange to me, I thought if absolutely nothing was going on, it was supposed to be 0 or thereabouts? |
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| 10:53.06 | aiyu | hii all, when i click on Places->Computer , i can see my drives listed (both ntfs and ext all), but when i try to access it it shows error: "Cannot mount volume". Why is this happening? |
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| 10:53.47 | mick_home | sandman: do you check load w/ top? |
| 10:53.58 | mick_home | mine in 0.00 when idle |
| 10:54.00 | mick_home | is* |
| 10:54.01 | Hoxzer | prefers htop |
| 10:54.05 | ffrank | aiyu: have you tried mounting them from the command line? |
| 10:54.22 | aiyu | no |
| 10:54.26 | mick_home | Hoxzer: doesn't matter for this excersize |
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| 10:54.43 | sandman | load average: 1.74, 1.19, 0.60 <== from top |
| 10:54.45 | aiyu | ffrank, if it not mounted why does it show up in "computer" |
| 10:54.47 | sandman | And nothing is going on |
| 10:55.04 | mick_home | sandman: sure about that? |
| 10:55.12 | mick_home | checked ssh? |
| 10:55.24 | ffrank | aiyu: i'd guess "my computer" is fed by /etc/fstab or somesuch. not familiar with your particular desktop system, though |
| 10:55.29 | mick_home | you know, that account that you meant to remove, but forgot to |
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| 10:55.45 | sandman | Well, it's nothing but a standard Debian Stable desktop install |
| 10:55.52 | ffrank | sandman: something is waiting a lot i'd wager |
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| 10:56.11 | sandman | Yeah I'm showing 90% wait |
| 10:56.14 | sandman | Under top |
| 10:56.15 | ffrank | sandman: try and find out how many processes linger in the D state |
| 10:56.26 | e7th04sh | aiyu, what can you see in /mnt/ ? |
| 10:56.32 | aiyu | ffrank , so how can i mount the drives manually and still , make it to display when i click on respective drives in "computer" |
| 10:56.48 | mick_home | aiyu: could be permissions (depending on the setup) |
| 10:56.51 | sandman | Is "D" state sleep state? |
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| 10:57.04 | aiyu | mick_home: nothing |
| 10:57.08 | ffrank | D state is waiting on blocking IO |
| 10:57.30 | aiyu | mick_home: i am not sudo or adm |
| 10:57.30 | sandman | I was having strange HDD errors earlier |
| 10:57.45 | sandman | Said something about SD0 failing, when I don't have any sd* drives |
| 10:57.51 | e7th04sh | aiyu try mounting the drive manually to see if you succed |
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| 10:58.08 | aiyu | ok |
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| 10:58.53 | sandman | [ 11.221659] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods <== getting that from dmesg, as well as: [ 12.370961] sd 2:0:0:0: [sda] Add. Sense: Read error - loss of streaming |
| 10:58.59 | sandman | Some I/O errors are in there, Medium errors... |
| 10:58.59 | ffrank | sandman: kernel version? if new enough, pretty much anything is sd* |
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| 11:00.16 | sandman | The one in Lenny, 2.6.26-2-amd64 |
| 11:01.38 | sandman | Well, I'd sure like to figure out which drive is actually throwing the errors... it's saying sda, but I don't have any sda devices that I can look at |
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| 11:01.51 | aiyu | e7th04sh: i mounted it manually as su, but it doesnt give me access until i signin as su. how can i make it usable by all users |
| 11:02.10 | sandman | I cannot fdisk /dev/sda, for instance |
| 11:02.22 | sandman | Because it's just not there. But yet, there are tons of errors being thrown for it. |
| 11:02.24 | sandman | Very confusing. |
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| 11:03.00 | ffrank | sandman: try and explore /sys as to what your machine's notion of available SCSI devices is |
| 11:03.08 | harobed | hi, are there de Python 2.- backport for lenny ? |
| 11:03.12 | willluongo | sandman: what does fdisk -l show? |
| 11:03.20 | willluongo | (run as root or sudo) |
| 11:03.34 | themill | harobed: what precisely are you looking for? python 2.4 and 2.5 are in lenny. |
| 11:03.39 | sandman | It shows /dev/hda and hdb |
| 11:03.46 | sandman | no sda |
| 11:03.51 | sandman | I'll check out /sys now |
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| 11:04.36 | sandman | I issued a find /sys -name *scsi* and didn't see anything about sda |
| 11:04.42 | sandman | Or sd* for that matter. |
| 11:04.52 | harobed | themill, sorry, I would like to say 2.6 |
| 11:05.19 | jrgp | is syd ever unstable to the point of not being able to fix the issues using the package manager? ie: does aptitude ever permanently break? |
| 11:05.40 | ffrank | sandman: no /sys/bus/scsi? |
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| 11:06.19 | sandman | Oh, yeah |
| 11:06.53 | sandman | There is something there. I don't have any SCSI drives, though? |
| 11:06.54 | themill | harobed: no. python 2.6 changes so much that it's been quite hard to get it into debian at all, and I'd say it's impossible to backport it successfully. You could use a sid+experimental chroot with python 2.6 in it or install from source into /usr/local or /opt. Just make sure that /usr/bin/python comes before your python 2.6 in your $PATH. |
| 11:07.02 | sandman | You're saying everything's considered SCSI these days? |
| 11:07.11 | themill | harobed: /msg dpkg python 2.6 |
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| 11:07.35 | ffrank | sandman: in sid, yes. not with lenny kernels though, i think. or did you build your own, current image? |
| 11:07.48 | sandman | I did not build my own |
| 11:07.51 | sandman | This is a fresh install |
| 11:07.56 | ffrank | besides, the presense of hda suggests you don't have scsi emu on |
| 11:08.25 | sandman | I ran cat /sys/bus/scsi/devices/2:0:0:0/vendor and it returned that is HP |
| 11:08.57 | sandman | I've an HP printer and scanner... but how does it come to think that USB devices are SCSI? |
| 11:09.06 | harobed | themill, what do you think about http://projectdaenney.org/2009/building-python2-6-for-debian-lenny ? |
| 11:09.30 | e7th04sh | aiyu |
| 11:09.47 | e7th04sh | check permissions for the mount point first |
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| 11:10.11 | e7th04sh | btw, what is that you mount? ntfs? |
| 11:10.19 | ffrank | e7th04sh: he's gone i think |
| 11:10.34 | e7th04sh | oh right ;/ |
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| 11:11.08 | e7th04sh | impatiet guy lol ;p i am here already for a 2nd day |
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| 11:11.54 | e7th04sh | damn, if i didnt upgrade i'd be playing quake all that time |
| 11:12.34 | e7th04sh | ffrank hm, perhaps i could fix the sound by uninstalling everything related to it and installing it back again? |
| 11:15.17 | e7th04sh | another problem - mplayer crashes |
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| 11:15.51 | e7th04sh | ok, that drop filled the chalice of bitterness |
| 11:15.56 | e7th04sh | i am reinstalling this shit |
| 11:16.10 | e7th04sh | i will reinstall the f*** out of it |
| 11:16.15 | sandman | The GNOME System Monitor doesn't seem to want to display waiting processes |
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| 11:16.31 | sandman | Also: My system hangs for 10 minutes when booting |
| 11:16.39 | sandman | Until eventually it spits something out about sda |
| 11:16.45 | wvd | I got a VPS with some problems, how would I remount everything? |
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| 11:16.51 | sandman | Not responding, etc. Well, that's normal to me since, like I said, I don't have an sda |
| 11:16.59 | e7th04sh | i will enter 2010 with a linux built from a scratch |
| 11:17.47 | MrTorque | what do i need to consider when i want to back up files from an ext3 partition with acl enabled?? |
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| 11:19.19 | themill | harobed: I don't think that's going to work out very well at all -- many of the debian-supplied python modules (i.e. all of the python-* packages) won't work with that approach and even those that should in principle work probably need to be rebuilt against a newer version of the python helper utilities. That is to say, you'll get yourself /usr/bin/python2.6 but "import foo" will probably fail. |
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| 11:19.32 | e7th04sh | hey |
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| 11:19.51 | e7th04sh | so, you mounted it right? ntfs or ext3? |
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| 11:20.34 | aiyu | i am able to mount the partition manually, but when i try to do it on automatically on reboot, it fails. i says unknown ntfs-3g . but i successfully mounted manually. |
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| 11:21.26 | e7th04sh | when you mount it manually, you can make nonsuper users acces? |
| 11:21.45 | aiyu | no , i cant |
| 11:22.04 | i37net | hi everyone, is there a graphical web browser that will run on debian without x? |
| 11:22.28 | e7th04sh | check the privileges for mount point |
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| 11:22.42 | sandman | Well, I just discovered what the problem was. |
| 11:22.57 | jelly | i37net: links2 |
| 11:23.00 | sandman | A 1GiB SD card, that was in my printer. |
| 11:23.07 | ffrank | sandman: heh |
| 11:23.08 | jelly | i37net: don't expect much. |
| 11:23.18 | aiyu | e7th04sh: drwxr-xr-x |
| 11:23.37 | i37net | jelly: thanks. will give it a try. |
| 11:23.38 | e7th04sh | and how exactly did you try to acces it? |
| 11:23.47 | aiyu | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2009-12-21 16:42 windows |
| 11:23.53 | sandman | I looked through sys and discovered that "sda" was 1GiB large only... light bulb lit up and I looked over @ the printer and sure enough. 1 GiB SD card. So, I took it out, rebooted, and all the problems disappeared. |
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| 11:24.03 | sandman | Load average has plummeted. |
| 11:24.08 | aiyu | e7th04sh: i just went to filesystem->media->windows |
| 11:24.15 | sandman | Which is, of course, fine and dandy. |
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| 11:24.26 | e7th04sh | try to access it from command line and see what message you get |
| 11:24.30 | millun | Hi |
| 11:25.16 | sandman | I wish I knew why it would crap out though, on something as simple as an SD card |
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| 11:25.45 | millun | I am trying to find a solution for my friend's deb server issue. Iconv won't properly translit utf8 to ascii... |
| 11:25.50 | e7th04sh | sudden death card, i'd crap myself too seeing that mounted to my rear end |
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| 11:26.11 | e7th04sh | ... |
| 11:26.17 | sandman | Are you talking to me? |
| 11:26.24 | e7th04sh | disregard that ;p |
| 11:26.25 | LimCore | is it easy to setup VPN |
| 11:26.32 | ffrank | sandman: "simple"? let's see you write a driver for a range of (probably pretty shitty) pieces of multi-purpose hardware that (among others) allows block device access to removable flash media |
| 11:26.44 | aiyu | e7th04sh: "dir: cannot open directory /media/windows: Permission denied" |
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| 11:27.06 | e7th04sh | that's somewhat strange |
| 11:27.18 | aiyu | e7th04sh: i am not a su now |
| 11:27.22 | aiyu | i su mode i can |
| 11:27.38 | e7th04sh | and as su, you can of course browse all the fs |
| 11:27.46 | aiyu | i have to be su to mount it, then i exit su mode and access it as normal user and i get this error |
| 11:27.52 | aiyu | e7th04sh: yes |
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| 11:28.03 | sandman | I'm looking for a good graphical IDE, not emacs or vim. |
| 11:28.04 | e7th04sh | what happens when you try to mount it as not-su? |
| 11:28.08 | LimCore | anyone did configured a VPN? |
| 11:28.15 | sandman | I know you'll think this is n00b, but something like Visual Studio perhaps |
| 11:28.21 | sandman | Like, a Microsoft-equivelant |
| 11:28.30 | aiyu | e7th04sh: "mount: only root can do that" |
| 11:28.32 | e7th04sh | i liked Dev C++ |
| 11:28.41 | themill | sandman: monodevelop or kdevelop are the ones that I use most |
| 11:28.41 | ffrank | LimCore: i had some touch-and-go, but it's far from simple |
| 11:28.48 | e7th04sh | my friend uses Eclipse but i have no idea how good it is |
| 11:29.17 | LimCore | what are the versions of: java (sun java), subversion, kernel, in Debian lenny? |
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| 11:29.24 | LimCore | Will ext4 and btrfs work in lenny? |
| 11:29.26 | themill | LimCore: /msg dpkg search |
| 11:29.29 | ffrank | thinks eclipse is quite bad, but the closest to VS wrt. java development |
| 11:29.51 | LimCore | themill: Im not now on debian here |
| 11:29.56 | themill | LimCore: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:30.05 | e7th04sh | lol |
| 11:30.13 | e7th04sh | LimCore, type it here |
| 11:30.47 | LimCore | e7th04sh: still Im not on debian to run the commends recommended by bot you know |
| 11:30.52 | e7th04sh | oh |
| 11:31.11 | e7th04sh | well it doesnt recommend any |
| 11:31.17 | themill | dpkg: tell LimCore about pdo |
| 11:31.20 | aiyu | e7th04sh: when i try to mount it as non-su it shows only root can do it. |
| 11:31.29 | themill | LimCore: reading is optional, but truly recommended... |
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| 11:31.38 | LimCore | ok, does anyone have Lenny, and can say if following applications really work there: java (sun java 6), subservion, ext4 fs, btrfs. Not if they are available, but do they really work |
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| 11:32.07 | ffrank | LimCore: subversion works :) |
| 11:32.29 | themill | LimCore: I wouldn't be touching experimental filesystems with a barge poll in any release of any linux. |
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| 11:32.58 | LimCore | themill: well I know it is experimental, so I will keep backups; But can I easly use ext4 or btrfs or both in lenny? |
| 11:33.05 | e7th04sh | aiyu, well, i can't help you now because i didn't have to mount any ntfs for quite some time, tough i remember i had similar problem back then |
| 11:33.27 | wvd | How do I see which ports are open? |
| 11:33.32 | e7th04sh | but i think you could try googling for it |
| 11:33.33 | LP | hello, anyone knows how to turn of IPv6 DNS queries? I've disabled IPv6, but still for example wget first issue a AAAA lookup, then after 10 seconds a A lookup... |
| 11:33.36 | aiyu | e7th04sh: ok, thanks for ur effort |
| 11:33.41 | LimCore | wvd: netstat -l |
| 11:33.48 | e7th04sh | "can't access ntfs debian" first |
| 11:33.51 | themill | LimCore: you'd want a newer kernel from backports.org at least. But I personally still wouldn't touch it |
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| 11:34.45 | Trewas | LimCore: I'm not sure what would be the point using (relatively) old distro with a filesystem still under development, might as well go with testing then |
| 11:35.18 | ffrank | aiyu: read the manpage for fstab carefully. it might clue you on how to mount specific filesystems as non-root users |
| 11:35.22 | ffrank | argh |
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| 11:37.53 | aiyu | e7th04sh: i got it working, the installed ntfs-3g package and rebooted |
| 11:37.57 | aiyu | it works now |
| 11:38.30 | aqw | hi microtek scanmaker 3630 is not working in lenny |
| 11:38.41 | jspiros | eth0 is my wired interface to the public internet, and it works fine. I've added a WiFi card to connect to another network, which is also connected to the public internet, and when I bring wlan0 up, it redefines the default route through wlan0 instead of keeping it with eth0 |
| 11:39.00 | aiyu | e7th04sh: but what i cant understand is why are other drives(which i havent mounted and not in /etc/fstab)show up in "computer" |
| 11:39.01 | jspiros | I believe this wouldn't be a problem if I were statically defining wlan0, but I need to use dhcp for wlan0 |
| 11:39.18 | jspiros | anyway, any suggestions? |
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| 11:40.58 | LimCore | is there some easy way to make Debian more secure? |
| 11:41.06 | LimCore | like, install grsecurity without doing it all by hand etc |
| 11:42.14 | themill | LimCore: /msg dpkg securing debian |
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| 11:43.05 | LimCore | themill: I had something a bit more advanced in mind |
| 11:43.27 | ffrank | jspiros: as a work-around, you could deploy a post-up script for your wireless interface. see interfaces(5) |
| 11:44.14 | jspiros | ffrank: yeah, I was thinking maybe there'd be a more elegant method :) |
| 11:44.46 | themill | LimCore: a bit more advanced than reading? |
| 11:44.53 | ffrank | jspiros: good question :) |
| 11:45.45 | LimCore | themill: there is even no mention of selinux or grsecurity, I mean comon |
| 11:46.24 | themill | LimCore: then you fail at reading even more |
| 11:46.58 | ffrank | jspiros: this might be relevant http://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg34351.html |
| 11:46.59 | LimCore | you could update that index there to include keywords on that index page |
| 11:47.49 | themill | LimCore: There are no magic bullets for security. You need to read and comprehend yourself. Prechewed information won't secure your box. |
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| 11:48.26 | aiyu | which file determines what all are to be shown by default in linux |
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| 11:48.39 | aiyu | sorry ... in *my computer |
| 11:48.45 | jspiros | ffrank: interesting, thanks |
| 11:49.58 | LimCore | themill: well installing OpenBSD seems like a magic bullet for security - if you use just the basic services there (and handle passwords correctly etc). Would be nice if it would be simple to automatically switch to more secure (but possibly slower kernel). But installing grsec patches seems like a start I guess |
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| 11:51.45 | teatimeh | LimCore: reading what you said, I still agree w/ themill. |
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| 11:55.23 | Alexandra | Hi folks, how can I start a script as soon as the computer has finished to boot |
| 11:55.33 | Alexandra | It needs to be executed as normal user |
| 11:55.53 | Alexandra | and the user will not login to the machine to execute it manually |
| 11:56.03 | rgr | ~ |
| 11:56.06 | Alexandra | I thought of ralising it via init script |
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| 11:56.38 | ffrank | Alexandra: which would be the way to go about it i guess... |
| 11:56.41 | Alexandra | But I've not clue how to execute an init script as normal user |
| 11:56.56 | Alexandra | Hi ffrank |
| 11:56.58 | ffrank | Alexandra: su <user> -c <command> ? |
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| 11:57.08 | Stereo | Alexandra: you can use the user's crontab, inserting @reboot for the time |
| 11:57.20 | Alexandra | So command would be the script |
| 11:57.30 | Alexandra | Hi Stereo |
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| 11:57.34 | Stereo | hi :) |
| 11:57.46 | Alexandra | Yes, fcron is great! It can do that? |
| 11:57.46 | ffrank | that crontab idea sounds compelling |
| 11:57.53 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:57.59 | Alexandra | I'll check that |
| 11:58.00 | Stereo | cron can indeed do that |
| 11:58.10 | Stereo | you can even make it launch screen |
| 11:58.17 | Stereo | and detach it automatically |
| 11:58.20 | Stereo | that sort of stuff |
| 11:58.29 | Alexandra | Ah, it is cron not fcron |
| 11:58.32 | Stereo | a friend of mine built an always-on irc client that way |
| 11:58.41 | Stereo | ah, I'm not sure how fcron works |
| 11:59.11 | Stereo | it says "extended capabilities" so I assume it does what vixie cron does, and more :) |
| 11:59.53 | Alexandra | How can I emulate a Vixie cron @reboot entry? -> @volatile,first(1) BIG-period /your/command |
| 12:00.00 | Alexandra | That seems to work |
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| 12:00.12 | Stereo | nice |
| 12:00.23 | Alexandra | Thank you very much Stereo |
| 12:00.31 | Stereo | np |
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| 12:02.32 | rwrd | vi /etc/rc.local -> add your automatic startup command here |
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| 12:02.44 | rwrd | done... |
| 12:02.46 | rwrd | :) |
| 12:03.21 | Stereo | rwrd: yuk :) |
| 12:03.43 | rwrd | it works |
| 12:03.47 | rwrd | heh |
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| 12:04.51 | MikeH_ | Hi |
| 12:05.17 | MikeH_ | I'm trying to get netatalk source with apt-get source netatalk, however I get unable to find a source package for netatalk |
| 12:05.24 | MikeH_ | Am I missing something from my sources.list? |
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| 12:05.34 | MikeH_ | (I was able to install the binary package just fine) |
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| 12:18.22 | paissad-hp | !build kernel |
| 12:18.30 | paissad-hp | !kernel |
| 12:18.32 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, linux-next: next-20091219, snapshot 2.6: 2.6.33-rc1-git1, mainline 2.6: 2.6.33-rc1, stable 2.6.32: 2.6.32.2 , stable 2.6.31: 2.6.31.9 , stable 2.6.30: 2.6.30.10 , stable 2.6.29: 2.6.29.6 , stable 2.6.27: 2.6.27.42 , stable 2.4.37: 2.4.37.7 |
| 12:18.33 | encrypttp | conntrack tools and also iptstate doesnt seems to be able to cut connections.. im on a bridge between eth0 and eth1.. any clue? |
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| 12:20.17 | wvd | Why the command make doesn't work on Debian? I just got a new debian image from my host. |
| 12:20.33 | ffrank | wvd: error message? |
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| 12:20.56 | wvd | ffrank: command not found, this is while installing sbnc. I first did ./configure |
| 12:22.20 | LP | anyone knows how to turn of IPv6 DNS queries? I've disabled IPv6, but still for example wget first issue a AAAA lookup, then after 10 seconds a A lookup... |
| 12:22.26 | wvd | Nevermind, had to install build-essentials |
| 12:22.30 | WormFood | anyone have any experience with debian on a thinkpad (lenovo) T60? I booted it with knoppix for testing the hardware, and it seems that is not 100% compatible with the video...I was thinking about getting one T60 for myself (this is a friend's), and was thinking it would probably work great with debian. Anyone know? |
| 12:22.55 | mikexcr | what graphic card you got? |
| 12:22.57 | mikexcr | WormFood: |
| 12:24.13 | WormFood | this one has an ATI |
| 12:24.33 | WormFood | I think different makes/models have different video chips on them (the ATI is what my T30 has, I think) |
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| 12:26.29 | jelly | !thinkpad |
| 12:26.29 | dpkg | [thinkpad] one of the best laptops you can buy, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. Some models restrict MiniPCI card use, see http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_unauthorized_MiniPCI_network_card . See also <hdapsd>, <martian>, <mwavem>, <slmodem>, <synaptics>, <tpb>, <trackpoint>. http://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Thinkpad http://www.thinkwiki.org/ ##ibmthinkpad on irc.freenode.net. |
| 12:27.00 | jelly | WormFood: emphasis on thinkwiki.org |
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| 12:27.22 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 12:27.39 | paradoxmonkey | hi |
| 12:27.52 | WormFood | oh yeah....I remember that...I used the hell out of thinkwiki when setting up my T30 |
| 12:28.10 | paissad-hp | if i wan to build a new kernel from root kernel source directory, knowing i want linux-image & linux-headers ..... is this command enough ? |
| 12:28.42 | petemc | what command? |
| 12:28.52 | paissad-hp | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --revision="$kernel_to_build" kernel-image linux-headers kernel-doc |
| 12:29.54 | paissad-hp | CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=$(grep -c "^processor" /proc/cpuinfo) |
| 12:29.54 | paissad-hp | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd --revision="$kernel_to_build" kernel-image linux-headers kernel-doc |
| 12:29.55 | petemc | !kp mantra |
| 12:29.55 | dpkg | i guess kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 12:30.52 | paradoxmonkey | "dd if=/dev/zero of=/raw.img bs=1 count=1000000" lets me specify the image size in bytes however it takes very long time to create the image. Is there anyway I still can specify the image size in bytes and have dd do the work faster? |
| 12:31.54 | ffrank | paradoxmonkey: ibs/obs ? |
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| 12:32.47 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: yes. Use a big bs= and a small count. |
| 12:32.59 | WormFood | paradoxmonkey, man dd |
| 12:33.08 | wvd | So I'm installing sBNC, it tells me that it's installing at /home/sbnc, but it installs at #/sbnc I think, how does this come? |
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| 12:33.15 | paradoxmonkey | ffrank: bs is ibs+obs |
| 12:33.44 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: setting a bigger bs then the available memory results in failure |
| 12:34.06 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: ok...? |
| 12:34.25 | jelly | 1 * 1000000 = 1000000 * 1 = 1000 * 1000 |
| 12:35.21 | LimCore | VPN - can you recommend up-to-dare (for Lenny) tutorial for setting up VPN server (secure, with logging etc)? |
| 12:35.41 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: sorry didn't read your answer correctly. If I use a small count I will have to convert the bytes to somthing bigger and then I will lose accuracy. |
| 12:35.51 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: accuracy? |
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| 12:36.20 | little_owl | Hello, what is the current situation about freezing of Squeeze? |
| 12:36.54 | jelly | !squeeze freeze |
| 12:37.09 | jelly | ... that one freezes the bot. |
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| 12:37.43 | jelly | !wwsr |
| 12:37.43 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel> |
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| 12:38.04 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: I get a floating point value that gets sized down to the nearest integer downward. 1.5 becomes 1 etc |
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| 12:38.42 | jelly | blinks |
| 12:39.08 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: and AFAIK dd count can't take a floating value |
| 12:39.42 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: what is the actual size of the image you wish to create? Why not just append the rest with a second dd command? |
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| 12:40.41 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: man dd, read about seek for that tail bit. |
| 12:41.22 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: the dd size isn't a fixed size since it's gone be used in a shell script |
| 12:41.39 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: so? |
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| 12:42.00 | LimCore | paradoxmonkey: you can use math in bash sort of... but is the default dd much slower then dd with bigger blocksize |
| 12:42.35 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: use your shell or bc to do integer division and remainders |
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| 12:43.23 | jelly | then uses a decent value like bs=1M and add the rest with bs=1 or whatever |
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| 12:43.59 | paradoxmonkey | LimCore: dd bs=1 count=1048576 is much slower then say dd bs=1M count=1 |
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| 12:44.48 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: also, it'll trash the output device with many superfluous write()s |
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| 12:46.38 | paissad-hp | now, is this ok ? |
| 12:46.39 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.fr/6322 |
| 12:46.46 | LimCore | betas the dd for not being more intelligent, like auto-setting bigger bs + tail |
| 12:47.07 | jelly | berates? |
| 12:47.54 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: something like dd bs=1 count=1 seek=1048576 would work right? |
| 12:48.23 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: that's the idea, yes |
| 12:48.26 | nsadmin | that says write one byte |
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| 12:48.36 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: sorry that would be dd bs=1M count=1 seek=1048576 |
| 12:49.05 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: that'd get you a 1T+1M file |
| 12:49.27 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: seeks are in (o)bs |
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| 12:49.49 | jelly | try doing it. |
| 12:50.05 | kickar_ | hey guys how do i add program to default runlevel ? just add for example /usr/sbin/gkrellm to /etc/rc.local ? |
| 12:50.11 | WormFood | paradoxmonkey, you want to append to a file? |
| 12:50.50 | jelly | WormFood: they seem to want to create a zeroed file of arbitrary size. |
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| 12:51.08 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: you're right, just got myself a 1TB file... |
| 12:51.14 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: do you care if the file is sparse or not? |
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| 12:52.04 | WormFood | paradoxmonkey, are you aware, you can also use "head" for what you're trying to do...it lacks the flexibility of dd, but *may* be faster |
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| 12:52.16 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: I think the file needs to be fixed size or fdisk won't know how much space to partition |
| 12:52.38 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: what are you going to use the image for, later? |
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| 12:53.01 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: fdisk doesn't really care if the file is sparse or not. |
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| 12:54.02 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: I'm gone copy over a bootstrapped system and install grub |
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| 12:55.09 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: and then? |
| 12:55.16 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: if the file is say 1KB spare how would fdisk know that we need 200M for the bootstrapped system |
| 12:55.40 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: and then copy it over to a CF card |
| 12:55.56 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: for running on my router |
| 12:56.37 | WormFood | paradoxmonkey, openwrt or dd-wrt? |
| 12:57.09 | Holborn | kickar_: if you want to add gkrellm, maybe is better to add in your session manager startup |
| 12:57.38 | kickar_ | Holborn, i need to add the daemon so i can monitor my remote server |
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| 12:58.04 | WormFood | kickar_, add it to the runlevel directories in /etc (with the suitable script to launch it) |
| 12:58.45 | kickar_ | WormFood, /usr/sbin/gkrellm to be added to /etc/rc.default ? |
| 12:58.56 | kickar_ | i meant /etc/rc.local |
| 12:58.56 | WormFood | no kickar_ |
| 12:58.58 | Holborn | oh .. the daemon ... then in rc.local is a good place ... the correct way is use update-rc.d man update-rc.d |
| 12:59.11 | WormFood | /etc/rcX.d |
| 12:59.16 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.18 | paradoxmonkey | WormFood: nop, debian |
| 12:59.45 | WormFood | paradoxmonkey, your router is running debian? I take it is really a PC functioning as a router? |
| 12:59.52 | kickar_ | Holborn, so i need to add a line : /usr/sbin/gkrellm to rc.local ? |
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| 13:00.17 | SeySayux | Hi, I want to install debian from an USB stick. The manual says "After that, mount the USB memory stick [...] and copy a Debian netinst or businesscard ISO image to it." Do I need to copy the actual .iso file (if so, what name do I give to this file) or the *contents* of this file (i.e. loop mount it first) |
| 13:00.17 | Holborn | kickar_: use update-rc.d |
| 13:00.32 | WormFood | kickar_, did you "man update-rc.d"? |
| 13:00.41 | Holborn | kickar_: man update-rc.d they have goo examples .. |
| 13:00.43 | SeySayux | page of the manual I got this from: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s03.html.en |
| 13:00.46 | kickar_ | WormFood, just a moment i need to ssh to the mashiner |
| 13:00.50 | kickar_ | mchine* |
| 13:01.06 | nsadmin | they may be gooey examples... but not gui examples |
| 13:01.33 | WormFood | nsadmin, he said "goo examples"...I thought it was a porn or something |
| 13:01.40 | paradoxmonkey | WormFood: yes, a Intel Atom board |
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| 13:03.35 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: fdisk wouldn't know anything. The sparse file looks and feels just like a nonsparse file, with the exception it sometimes takes less disk space. |
| 13:04.18 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: use a sparse file and create it with something like dd if=/dev/zero of=blah bs=1 seek=bytesizehere count=0 |
| 13:04.55 | MrTorque | i thought rsync would create symlinks for identical files? why is that not so? |
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| 13:06.35 | dutchfish | hi, how can i reinitialise udev rules from scratch the debian way? |
| 13:06.52 | MrTorque | ah, hardlinks, i see. |
| 13:07.05 | MrTorque | how do i see the target of a hardlink? ls -la doesnt show. |
| 13:07.35 | jelly | MrTorque: there is no "target", all links are equal. |
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| 13:08.25 | WormFood | MrTorque, I'm not sure if you can see the target for a hard link |
| 13:08.30 | paradoxmonkey | After creating that 1TB file, I could save my sh script so I restarted debian and now it's all gone |
| 13:08.31 | MrTorque | jelly: i do not understand. how do i see that it is a hardlink? |
| 13:08.53 | jelly | MrTorque: its link count will be higher than one |
| 13:08.56 | WormFood | if I'm not mistaken, a hard link is simply an extra directory entry pointing to the same file another directory entry points to |
| 13:09.21 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 2 jelly jelly 141 2009-10-09 20:29 a |
| 13:09.21 | jelly | -rw-r--r-- 1 jelly jelly 4 2009-03-31 12:15 b |
| 13:09.23 | WormFood | you can tell that it is linked....but you'd have to scan every file on your device to find it |
| 13:09.50 | jelly | MrTorque: a has a link count of two, and is hardlinked somewhere else in the filesystem |
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| 13:10.25 | jelly | MrTorque: b has a link count of one. That's the only directory entry, if you delete it it's gone. |
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| 13:11.31 | SeySayux | Nobody has installed Debian on an USB stick here yet? |
| 13:11.44 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: what is gone? |
| 13:12.03 | kickar_ | WormFood, how do i install gkrellm .. just the daemon ? |
| 13:12.21 | WormFood | kickar_, there are about 200 different ways to do it |
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| 13:12.29 | paissad-hp | if i do cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config and then make-kpkg clean ... the .config file will be deleted .. so i should not run make-kpkg clean if i want to build from my previous config file .. right ? |
| 13:12.53 | WormFood | the easiest way is to add it to rc.local, but then it runs at all runlevels |
| 13:13.29 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, make-kpkg does not delete .config |
| 13:14.08 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, actually i ran make-kpkg clean before make-pkg --options *** |
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| 13:14.56 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: my sh script that I have written |
| 13:15.23 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, still it normally would not remove .config with make-kpkg clean |
| 13:15.25 | paissad-hp | and btw, i would like to know if there's an option to avoid answering for choices of the kernel build .... without using allyesconfig |
| 13:15.32 | paissad-hp | i want oldconfig |
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| 13:15.38 | MrTorque | jelly, WormFood: thanks foor explaining. |
| 13:15.48 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, yes there is |
| 13:15.56 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: that is weird. Which filesystem? |
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| 13:15.57 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, make oldconfig |
| 13:16.08 | paradoxmonkey | ext2 |
| 13:16.18 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, you get then only the q for the new options when upgrading kernel |
| 13:16.39 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: stupid kwrite said can't save file so I restarted and now the file is empty |
| 13:16.58 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, another way is make menuconfig (but dont change anything) just quiet and save |
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| 13:17.04 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: well... you _were_ warned. |
| 13:17.12 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, indeed, i'm upgrading to 2.6.32.2 and even if i run make oldconfig i have this question for example |
| 13:17.13 | paissad-hp | Kernel compression mode |
| 13:17.13 | paissad-hp | > 1. Gzip (KERNEL_GZIP) (NEW) |
| 13:17.13 | paissad-hp | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:17.13 | paissad-hp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:17.25 | paissad-hp | sorry :s |
| 13:17.36 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, only then once that are new for your oldconfig, nothing can help that |
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| 13:17.43 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: yes that it can't save the file, not that it would erase everything that was saved before |
| 13:17.46 | dutchfish | s/once/ones |
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| 13:18.32 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, so, i cannot go without answering manually , right ? |
| 13:18.35 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, why would you change the default compression mode for that kernel???? |
| 13:18.50 | encrypttp | conntrack tools and also iptstate doesnt seems to be able to cut connections.. im on a bridge between eth0 and eth1.. any clue? |
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| 13:19.05 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, not, unless you have a scripted way for the particular kernel |
| 13:19.07 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, i don't want to change it .. i got the question directly .... |
| 13:19.26 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: doesn't sound like a trusty editor |
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| 13:19.33 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, wait a minute, i show the stuff |
| 13:19.38 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, is you .config in the root of your kernel source and named .config ? |
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| 13:19.59 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, yes, but "make-kpkg clean" removed it i think |
| 13:20.12 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, no it wont as i told you |
| 13:20.38 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: an error like that doesn't happen without a cause. Either the file wasn't owned by you, or the filesystem filled up, or some unrelated filesystem error occured before that. |
| 13:20.50 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, but i suspect that your source .config is not that swell .... mmmmm |
| 13:20.56 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, http://pastebin.fr/6323 |
| 13:20.59 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: however since you rebooted it's going to be hard to figure out what |
| 13:21.00 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: no it doesn't. Is there any way I can restore the fike? |
| 13:21.15 | jelly | !undelete |
| 13:21.15 | dpkg | Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" from menu. For ext3fs, see http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html and ask about <ext3grep>. With reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. Some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 13:22.11 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: if the filesystem has been written to in the meantime, don't expect much. |
| 13:22.22 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, i use this for a couple of years now and no problem, edit too your likings http://pastebin.com/f505b3424 |
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| 13:23.39 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, and be sure to use #!/bin/sh not #!/bin/bash |
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| 13:24.00 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, btw, you commented out make-pkg clean :) |
| 13:24.13 | paissad-hp | i don't |
| 13:24.15 | kronic | I'm using a custom repository for my kernel, I'm trying to stop the security updates from upgrading my kernel, I'm trying this in the apt preferences: Package: linux-image-* \ Pin: release a=stable \ Pin-Priority: -1 |
| 13:24.42 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, yep, sometimes i need interupting it, and want to continue after injecting my drivers on development, so then i dont want a clean |
| 13:25.10 | paissad-hp | ok |
| 13:25.27 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, you can comment it out for normal purposes |
| 13:26.34 | wildc4rd_ | afternoon all |
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| 13:27.19 | dutchfish | can someone tell me how i can reinitialise udev rules from scratch the debian way? |
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| 13:28.00 | dutchfish | is there a dpkg-reconfigure for udev or something else? |
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| 13:29.06 | Sergio` | Anyone can help me with alsa? I don't know what happened, I uninstalled many packages related to X (maybe some pulled the alsa ones), got a power shortage for about 12 hours and now I got no sound. I installed alsa-tools, alsa-utils, tried alsaconf and alsamixer, still no din. |
| 13:29.14 | paradoxmonkey | can I run something like grep --binary-files=text -30 "<#1" /dev/hda6 >output but only on the /home/name directory? |
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| 13:32.19 | MrTorque | how do i convert a textfile to utf-8? |
| 13:32.31 | WormFood | paradoxmonkey, what does the man page say? |
| 13:33.37 | Sergio` | MrTorque: I think it's iconv -f iso8859-1 -t utf8 filename > new_filename |
| 13:33.53 | chavodelocho | what is the way to update packages on debian server? |
| 13:35.16 | chavodelocho | I update with aptitude dist-upgrade, is it wrong? |
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| 13:37.59 | poisonbit | chavodelocho, that was before lenny I think |
| 13:38.02 | dutchfish | chavodelocho, normall updates is aptitude safe-upgrade to just test aptitude -s safe-upgrade |
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| 13:38.39 | poisonbit | now >lenny there are a safe-upgrade and full-upgrade |
| 13:38.55 | andreas_ | someone know if there is a channel for tracemonkey (heartbeat)? |
| 13:39.07 | poisonbit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.26 | poisonbit | should know all public channels |
| 13:40.15 | mquin | poisonbit: yes, but it's a bit of a long list. If you're looking for channels on a particular topic try using alis - '/msg alis help list' |
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| 13:41.12 | poisonbit | If there is any heartbeat oficial channel in any irc network, it should be listed in the developer section of the project home |
| 13:41.44 | chavodelocho | poisonbit, ok, thanks |
| 13:42.18 | qwd | Debian Squeeze AMD64, installed Gnome by installing the package gnome-desktop-environment. I'm trying to encrypt or decrypt files but nothing happens after I click the menu item. I can see the key in Seahorse. Any ideas on how to figure this out? |
| 13:42.28 | poisonbit | chavodelocho, see the dutchfish tip too |
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| 13:43.05 | qwd | I just tried encrypting something in Gedit and it worked so the problem isn't with the key |
| 13:43.59 | poisonbit | qwd, launch seahorse from console, and see -h if there are verbose or debug invocation ? |
| 13:45.06 | j8k6f4v9j | Sorry, I know that this is completely off topic, but it's been a long time suffering this failure: http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7677/pict0021z.jpg <- What is this? CPU, RAM, anything else? This machine runs fine for an arbitrary amount of time and then ... it simply hangs. It even passed most memory tests gracefully (till now) |
| 13:45.07 | poisonbit | and maybe apt-listbugs is helpful in squeeze, sid, etc |
| 13:45.23 | chavodelocho | dutchfish, thanks... my doubt it is because for example, my iptables version is 1.4.2-6, the last iptables version is 1.4.6, and I never know if my system are updated as well as my kernel version |
| 13:45.38 | qwd | poisonbit: don't see anything about debug or verbose there. |
| 13:46.18 | poisonbit | qwd, you can launch it from console and expect error messages, or use strace, strace64, ltrace, etc |
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| 13:46.36 | poisonbit | to see system calls, library calls, etc |
| 13:46.42 | poisonbit | don't forget apt-listbugs |
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| 13:47.15 | qwd | I just checked bugreports and there wasn't anything there either |
| 13:47.25 | dutchfish | chavodelocho, the -s option come sin handy then ;) |
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| 13:47.46 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, may be i don't have the same result like you because of the working directory ... i work into /usr/src/tmp |
| 13:48.09 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, i have the same script as you |
| 13:48.16 | qwd | poisonbit: opened seahorse in terminal and tried encrypting from nautilus but there were no messages. Will try opening nautilus from terminal instead. |
| 13:48.30 | poisonbit | good logic |
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| 13:48.37 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, i work in /usr/sc/git but it boils down to set apropriate rights for src and compile as a normal user not root |
| 13:48.46 | dutchfish | s/sc/src |
| 13:49.22 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, i compile for a user whose name is "kernel" and who belongs to "src" group |
| 13:49.33 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, ok |
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| 13:49.37 | Trewas | j8k6f4v9j: looks like the computer is suitably old so it could suffer from capacitor plague |
| 13:50.09 | qwd | Unique-DBus-WARNING **: Unable to connect to the running instance, aborting. |
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| 13:50.27 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, ls -ld /usr/src/tmp/ |
| 13:50.28 | paissad-hp | drwxr-sr-x 3 kernel src 4096 déc 21 14:46 /usr/src/tmp/ |
| 13:50.41 | paissad-hp | uid=1001(kernel) gid=1003(kernel) groupes=1003(kernel),40(src) |
| 13:50.42 | poisonbit | j8k6f4v9j, to debug hardware problems, the best aproach is to tes/replace/remove hardware components |
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| 13:51.30 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, /usr/src should have drwxrwsr-x |
| 13:51.32 | paissad-hp | i'm tired of the questions :( .. i don't know anymore what to do now :( |
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| 13:52.02 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, ls -ld /usr/src/ |
| 13:52.02 | paissad-hp | drwxrwsr-x 8 root src 4096 déc 21 14:46 /usr/src/ |
| 13:52.26 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, can you rephrase your q? |
| 13:52.27 | j8k6f4v9j | poisonbit: yes, I know, I replaced everything but CPU in that machine, but it is an old atlon 2600+, so i wanted to be sure before thrashing the whole shit (too much time living with this problem) |
| 13:52.45 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, the initial one |
| 13:52.46 | CyrusYzGTt | my tor bridages was wall,who can give better then tor ,and free to use |
| 13:52.52 | qwd | never mind I found the bug now, it was in seahorse-tools, not seahorse http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=555686 |
| 13:53.23 | j8k6f4v9j | Trewas: I also thought about that, but this is the second motherboard ... (it could be anywway though) |
| 13:53.39 | poisonbit | j8k6f4v9j, if you replaceed everithing but CPU... maybe you need to write to santa for a christmas present |
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| 13:53.51 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, actually, when i run this script http://pastebin.com/m329b559, i'm prompted to answer to question during the kernel build |
| 13:54.03 | j8k6f4v9j | hah |
| 13:54.10 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, i don't want to answer questions durring the build |
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| 13:54.38 | poisonbit | paissad-hp, maybe you need make oldconfig after cp? |
| 13:54.44 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, $current_config is /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 13:55.13 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, your script contains errors |
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| 13:55.24 | paissad-hp | poisonbit, make-kpkg manpage says that make oldconfig is used by default |
| 13:55.50 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, where are the errors ? .... btw i use #!/bin/sh |
| 13:55.54 | poisonbit | and are you using debian sources? or vanilla? |
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| 13:56.16 | paissad-hp | poisonbit, dutchfish i got the source directly from www.kernel.org |
| 13:56.30 | poisonbit | if you're using debian sources that match your uname-r conf, there shouldn't be stops on questions |
| 13:56.33 | rgouveia | hey ... is it possible to create a virtual device, so I can use dm-crypt on it? |
| 13:56.39 | poisonbit | you need a config that match that tree |
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| 13:56.54 | dutchfish | poisonbit, exactly |
| 13:56.59 | degrade | It's possible to use squid+AD+Kerberos and if the user is just authenticated in domain (AD) when the user open some browser (ie or firewall) the browser doesn't ask the password? |
| 13:57.02 | rgouveia | like a virtual volume on /dev... |
| 13:57.15 | poisonbit | maybe there is a make option to take defaults? -y? |
| 13:57.20 | paissad-hp | here is the whole script |
| 13:57.21 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f1a36434a |
| 13:58.59 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, you were right, i see an error on my script .. let me rectify and try again :) |
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| 13:59.49 | LimCore | themill: btw that security howto seems to be awfully outdated, like it mentiones adamantix for 2.4 ... that is now discontinued |
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| 14:01.26 | Absolute0 | I am starting xmonad with gdm, and I have some preferred settings in .Xdefaults and I even added "xrdb ~/.Xdefaults" to my .xprofile. But for some reason sometimes the settings dont get loaded and I need to do xrdb manually |
| 14:01.43 | Absolute0 | the setting that doesnt get loaded is the terminus font in xterm |
| 14:01.54 | Absolute0 | xterm*font:-*-terminus-bold-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| 14:02.04 | Absolute0 | Is it possible that that font is loaded yet? |
| 14:02.28 | Absolute0 | isn't |
| 14:03.26 | poisonbit | some times yes and some times no... maybe one reason |
| 14:03.32 | poisonbit | xfonts-terminus++ |
| 14:04.00 | Absolute0 | poisonbit: what could be another reason? |
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| 14:04.19 | Absolute0 | how can a bit be poison? :) |
| 14:04.28 | Absolute0 | damaged transistor? |
| 14:04.29 | Absolute0 | :) |
| 14:04.35 | poisonbit | hehe |
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| 14:04.43 | jelly | Absolute0: does xterm -fn '-*-terminus-bold-*-*-*-20-*-*-*-*-*-*-*' work from a command line? |
| 14:05.16 | Absolute0 | jelly: works fine, As I said it only fails sometimes and then i just rerun xrdb ~/.Xdefaults manually |
| 14:05.36 | Absolute0 | maybe some race conditions going on |
| 14:05.43 | Absolute0 | i am also running xbindkeys |
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| 14:06.22 | xNinja | hello...i am sick of setting up a vpn in my server to have anonymous internet from home to the server...whats the easiest solutions out there in debian lenny or step by step clear howto ? |
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| 14:06.49 | petemc | xNinja: ssh tunnel perhaps |
| 14:06.57 | Absolute0 | http://pastebin.com/f15f0eed7 <- xdefaults, http://pastebin.com/fbedbf16 <- xbindkeysrc, http://pastebin.com/f88c642e <- xprofile |
| 14:07.00 | poisonbit | Absolute0, doesn't have xmonad some exec foo & posibility, instead of use .xprofile? |
| 14:07.15 | jelly | Absolute0: could you also [sym]link your ~/.Xdefaults as ~/Xresources, and see if the Xsession thingy loads them automatically? |
| 14:07.26 | jelly | Absolute0: er... ~/.Xresources |
| 14:07.34 | xNinja | petemc but ssh tunnel will work only for some ports...thats what i know...what if i want all my traffic to be tunneled |
| 14:07.59 | Absolute0 | Xresources is for gnome stuff? |
| 14:08.04 | Absolute0 | or *dm? |
| 14:08.09 | poisonbit | *dm |
| 14:08.17 | Absolute0 | i see |
| 14:08.24 | petemc | xNinja: oh, then a vpn is the way to go |
| 14:08.27 | jelly | Absolute0: it's for /etc/X11/Xsession |
| 14:08.35 | Absolute0 | screw it, i'll run it manually :) |
| 14:08.40 | Absolute0 | not a freakin big deal |
| 14:08.42 | Absolute0 | :-P |
| 14:08.59 | xNinja | petemc whats the best to use ? |
| 14:09.03 | jelly | Absolute0: it's just a new name for .Xdefaults, _supposed_ to work without a manual xrdb -merge |
| 14:09.03 | Absolute0 | maybe i should always leave my laptop on |
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| 14:09.18 | poisonbit | a symlink doesn't hurt |
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| 14:09.52 | jelly | Absolute0: (and by "new" I mean something like 2002, around XFree86 4) |
| 14:10.35 | Absolute0 | jelly: seems to be fixed, but this bug is random so I would have to restart X server a couple of more times |
| 14:10.38 | Absolute0 | thanks.. |
| 14:10.51 | jelly | Absolute0: also, remove your xrdb invocation from .xsessionrc / .xinitrc |
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| 14:11.08 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, i entered manually (by myself, not using script) .. to the root of the kernel build directory ... i copied the /boo/config-`uname -r`to .config ... i ran this |
| 14:11.18 | xreal | Where can I find the path environment file in debian? |
| 14:11.23 | paissad-hp | make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers kernel_source kernel_doc |
| 14:11.30 | paissad-hp | but i got questions again ^^ |
| 14:11.36 | paissad-hp | really weird ... |
| 14:11.38 | poisonbit | xreal, for your user in .bashrc |
| 14:11.41 | xreal | thx |
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| 14:12.06 | poisonbit | err no |
| 14:12.07 | paissad-hp | i cannot dot simplier |
| 14:12.10 | Absolute0 | jelly: mv ~/.Xdefaults ~/.Xresources ? |
| 14:12.12 | poisonbit | xreal, /etc/profile |
| 14:12.40 | jelly | Absolute0: I meant more like ln -s, but a mv should do as well |
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| 14:13.03 | poisonbit | xreal, but you can overwrite declaration in .bashrc PATH="/my/path:$PATH" |
| 14:13.05 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, what about make oldconfig ? |
| 14:13.11 | Absolute0 | jelly: I like to have a clean system. :) |
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| 14:13.31 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, the same, i got questions too |
| 14:13.48 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, sure, but not that many |
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| 14:14.31 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, a very lot of questions :P |
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| 14:15.01 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, strange i havent, is your source clean? |
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| 14:15.36 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, yes, i downloaded from www.kernel.org and i checked it with gpg --verify |
| 14:15.37 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, as an example; make mrproper , then copy over your .config , make oldconfig |
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| 14:16.50 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, after that you can run the compile |
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| 14:16.57 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, but you will be left with the q for the new options |
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| 14:17.35 | Holborn | ps ax |
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| 14:18.17 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, make mrproper, .. cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config, make oldconfig .... prompted again for questions ^^ |
| 14:18.32 | petemc | xNinja: openvpn works |
| 14:18.41 | dutchfish | scratches head |
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| 14:19.00 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, don't bother anymore mate, thx for all ... i thinks it's really weird |
| 14:19.08 | dutchfish | yep |
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| 14:19.32 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, last q however, what is your curent debian version? |
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| 14:20.04 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, uname -a |
| 14:20.04 | paissad-hp | Linux paissad-server 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 5 02:23:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 14:20.10 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, lenny |
| 14:20.14 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 14:21.49 | gigo | grub command is not working in my Squeeze. What should I do? |
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| 14:25.58 | xNinja | any nice step by step installing ipsec on lenny ? |
| 14:26.07 | xNinja | vpn |
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| 14:27.31 | f00li5h | is there something odd about the packaging of mediawiki? it seems to not have iti's config in /etc/ ... |
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| 14:29.23 | themill | f00li5h: you might like to look at /usr/share/doc/mediawiki/README.Debian.gz |
| 14:29.57 | f00li5h | I might... it seems lenny has peskified it to the point where I can't just use my old config |
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| 14:32.08 | f00li5h | themill: good plan |
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| 14:37.46 | paradoxmonkey | I just managed to restore the lost file :) |
| 14:38.12 | paradoxmonkey | photorec is a damn good software for file recovery |
| 14:39.01 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, what you could do is this: zcat /proc/config.gz > /tmp/.config ; then run a dif on the curent config to make a patch and alter this diff to your likings ; then aply this patch to a pristine .config as from zcat /proc/config.gz |
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| 14:40.02 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, you will hoewever need to do that for every kernel you want to compile within a given curent kernel |
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| 14:42.02 | nse | Hi. I am having trouble to work with a microphone. It is plugged but I don't know how to make it work. Volume is working. I'm running gnome in debian squeeze. Could someone help me, please? |
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| 14:42.19 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, locate config.gz | pastebinit - |
| 14:42.19 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f753578d9 |
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| 14:42.49 | paissad-hp | find /proc -name config.gz returns nothing too |
| 14:42.53 | nse | *sorry, on debian |
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| 14:44.28 | nse | I would to record some music but i can't. |
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| 14:45.32 | nse | I wish I could type correct English, sorry. |
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| 14:45.32 | ugly | I want to start a (non-daemon) process in an init script. Is there away way to kill the process automatically if it takes more than, say, 5 seconds to run? |
| 14:45.36 | ugly | any way* |
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| 14:50.18 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, my fault; to create a default from the pristine: make mrproper; make menuconfig; <ESC> save <YES> (you have now a pristine .config in curent dir); then run the diff as explained |
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| 14:51.04 | dutchfish | i tend to save my pristine .config in a tarball |
| 14:51.21 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, ok |
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| 14:51.32 | digitaloktay | hi people |
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| 14:54.09 | f00li5h | this mediawiki config script is trying to drop tables! |
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| 14:55.10 | Mkman | hello |
| 14:55.34 | resjudicata | did anyone get the poulsbo (intel gma500) to work on debian? |
| 14:56.07 | Stereo | so I have this system running sarge. Upgrading is planned, but not yet. I'd like to find out which process is eating up all the IO, has anyone got any idea?? |
| 14:56.10 | Stereo | -? |
| 14:56.24 | eulalia | When I try to mount my Windows Partition (Places -> Computer ->45.7 GB Volume), i get the error "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume." Anyone know how I fix this? |
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| 14:56.54 | choeger_ | Hi, does anyone know how to handle .la files in deb packages? |
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| 14:58.34 | ffrank | eulalia: what are the options for the corresponding mount? |
| 14:59.54 | ffrank | Stereo: slabtop may or may not be helpful there |
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| 15:00.05 | Stereo | ffrank: thanks |
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| 15:00.26 | Stereo | ffrank: apparently it wasn't in sarge :/ |
| 15:00.40 | ffrank | uhm :( |
| 15:01.26 | Stereo | oh, actually it's there |
| 15:01.28 | Stereo | but |
| 15:01.59 | Stereo | mail0:~# slabtop |
| 15:01.59 | Stereo | unrecognizable slabinfo version |
| 15:02.16 | ffrank | is that a custom kernel running? |
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| 15:02.50 | DelphiWorld | hi |
| 15:02.54 | DelphiWorld | how do update to latest GCC? |
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| 15:03.07 | Stereo | ffrank: unfortunately, yes |
| 15:03.13 | eulalia | ffrank, i'm not sure :\ |
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| 15:03.53 | Stereo | I'll try to figure things out with iftop and lsof, since the process that's using a lot of IO should be sending a lot to the network |
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| 15:04.24 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, i did -->diff .config /boot/config-$(uname -r) > /tmp/.config |
| 15:04.24 | paissad-hp | diff .config /boot/config-$(uname -r) > /tmp/.config |
| 15:04.26 | ffrank | sounds good |
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| 15:04.45 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, now ? |
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| 15:05.29 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, i've done "make menuconfig" ESC,YES before |
| 15:06.10 | themill | DelphiWorld: define "latest". And what version of debian are you using? |
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| 15:07.48 | DelphiWorld | themill: 5 |
| 15:09.00 | abrotman | still didn't define 'latest' |
| 15:09.03 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, i meant (when in kernel root dir): diff .config /boot/config-$(uname -r) > /tmp/.config (then inspect that file for the differences); you should now be able to make a pach with this info, so you wont be plagued with a manual answering all the q |
| 15:09.19 | dutchfish | s/pach/patch |
| 15:09.47 | dutchfish | paissad-hp, i have to run now; ill be on later |
| 15:09.54 | paissad-hp | dutchfish, ok, thx |
| 15:09.59 | choeger_ | argh, debuild wants me to cry ... |
| 15:10.08 | choeger_ | why does it change .la files?? |
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| 15:26.05 | henson | Did menu.lst dissappear from this new version of grub? |
| 15:26.19 | petemc | yes |
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| 15:27.22 | henson | petemc: Do you know where I put my vga=317 for my framebuffer? |
| 15:28.20 | petemc | henson: http://wiki.debian.org/GrubTransition |
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| 15:30.41 | henson | petemc: thanks |
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| 15:31.37 | petemc | np |
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| 15:35.24 | millun | hi all |
| 15:35.40 | millun | Iconv, question marks in output, debian. any solution? |
| 15:36.25 | millun | http://pastebin.com/d3fc8b6fa |
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| 15:39.53 | jamesstanley | my fonts are huge in newly-loaded programs |
| 15:40.04 | jamesstanley | programs that have been running since before i played a game still have correct fonts |
| 15:40.21 | jamesstanley | $ xdpyinfo | grep resolution |
| 15:40.22 | jamesstanley | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.29 | jamesstanley | $ grep DPI /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 15:40.29 | jamesstanley | (==) fglrx(0): DPI set to (96, 96) |
| 15:40.39 | jamesstanley | can anyone help me put it back to 96x96? |
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| 15:42.20 | jamesstanley | i'd rather not have to close and restart x |
| 15:42.38 | jamesstanley | i know it's possible to change it in a running x because as far as i can tell enemy territory did it |
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| 15:43.32 | ffrank | jamesstanley: that doesn't imply that there's a utility that will help you do it manually ;/ |
| 15:43.45 | jamesstanley | well i was hoping there'd be some "x property changer" tool to do it |
| 15:43.53 | jamesstanley | like xdpyinfo, but to set stuff instead of display it |
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| 15:44.44 | petemc | jamesstanley: xrandr |
| 15:44.51 | jamesstanley | thank you! |
| 15:45.04 | alreadygone | hi, on the download page for CD torrents, there is: debian-503-i386-xfce+lxde-CD-1.iso.torrent |
| 15:45.09 | alreadygone | is that just 1 cD? |
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| 15:45.19 | alreadygone | or is there a cd2 and so on? |
| 15:45.29 | jamesstanley | alreadygone: you only need cd 1 to install if you have a net connection |
| 15:45.42 | jamesstanley | there are about 20 cd's iirc |
| 15:46.11 | jamesstanley | petemc: my fonts are now the correct size! thank you |
| 15:46.24 | jamesstanley | "xrandr --dpi 96" is what i had to do, in case it's useful to anyone |
| 15:46.36 | alreadygone | so with this cd, I'll get a desktop with xfce, and then i can install other stuff I want from internet? |
| 15:46.59 | jamesstanley | when you run the cd you will get the installer |
| 15:47.09 | jamesstanley | and when you select "install me a desktop environment" it will give you xfce |
| 15:47.12 | jamesstanley | (or lxde? or both?) |
| 15:47.24 | jamesstanley | alreadygone: that is not a livecd |
| 15:47.32 | alreadygone | ok. can I see the list of packages on the CD I mentioned? |
| 15:47.44 | alreadygone | i mean on debian website |
| 15:47.48 | jamesstanley | i don't know how but i'm sure you probably can |
| 15:47.49 | jamesstanley | sorry |
| 15:48.00 | alreadygone | ok thanks |
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| 15:53.58 | themill | !cd contents |
| 15:53.58 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 16:19.02 | nominee | hi, I try to upgrade a debian etch to lenny with kernel 2.4. so I need 2.6., when changing the kernel eht0 is no longer found? module 8139too is no longer loaded, what I am doing wrong? |
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| 16:20.35 | dondelelcaro | .win grow 7 |
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| 16:23.59 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: I finally am back on track... So I dd a sparse image and now grub grub gives me error 24 when I try to boot from the image |
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| 16:30.33 | pigdude | anything I should be wary of before running % dpkg --configure -a? |
| 16:30.58 | pigdude | my upgrades keep failing because (I think) the kernel image can't fit on my boot partition |
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| 16:31.40 | pigdude | I think I should've chosen the idiot partitioning scheme, I don't have gparted on disc or a working CD burner on this machine |
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| 16:32.22 | SteveHH | moin @ all |
| 16:32.35 | pigdude | happy blizzard |
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| 16:34.29 | pigdude | on "update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.30-2-686" I get the error "gzip: stdout: No space left on device" |
| 16:35.17 | pigdude | maybe I can delete some stuff in /boot/ ? I'm not sure what would be safe to delete here...and I'd appreciate if anyone has a thought on this |
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| 16:35.44 | pigdude | here is my boot dir's contents: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/158574/ |
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| 16:37.23 | xk | pigdude: uname -a |
| 16:37.43 | pigdude | I'm running .30, maybe it's safe to remove the 26 ones? |
| 16:37.47 | xk | yes |
| 16:37.51 | pigdude | cool, thanks :) |
| 16:37.55 | xk | and the .bak |
| 16:37.57 | xk | but |
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| 16:38.01 | xk | its best to remove the package, not hte files |
| 16:38.17 | xk | dpkg --list | grep 2.6.26 |
| 16:38.17 | dpkg | xk: bugger all, i dunno |
| 16:38.22 | pigdude | OK, I'll do that. GNOME just locked up on me...I hate to leave once I have my answer |
| 16:38.37 | pigdude | but thanks |
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| 16:44.28 | e7th04sh | simple problem |
| 16:44.50 | e7th04sh | what criteria must be met, when it comes to permission, so that i don't get 403 - forbidden when accessing directory? |
| 16:44.57 | e7th04sh | apache2 |
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| 16:46.50 | pigdude | just had to restart x11 |
| 16:47.00 | xk | e7th04sh: Options Indexes |
| 16:47.33 | e7th04sh | ? |
| 16:48.05 | xk | e7th04sh: the directory must have the Indexes flag enabled in apache config |
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| 16:48.35 | j8k6f4v9j | Do you know any cheap and reliable device for having a low energy consumption debian on it switched on permanently? |
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| 16:49.59 | superlinux | hi |
| 16:50.24 | pigdude | oye |
| 16:50.48 | e7th04sh | xk apache configuration should be ok |
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| 16:50.56 | e7th04sh | xk i mean permission of /var/www |
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| 16:51.18 | superlinux | i am using OOffice 3.1. the screen does not get updated when i delete some letter by the backspace. this is my problem. however everything else is fine. |
| 16:51.37 | superlinux | so what should be done? |
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| 16:52.35 | superlinux | it gets deleted but the screen still has some resdues of the deleted letter. |
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| 17:02.12 | ffrank | -quit |
| 17:02.16 | superlinux | hi all |
| 17:02.17 | ffrank | grgml |
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| 17:03.49 | superlinux | is there some specialized online database where i can paste the lspci entry of the device i want to get the linux driver module file name i should load? |
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| 17:04.22 | cahoot | superlinux: the bot called judd? |
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| 17:04.38 | superlinux | cahoot, i dont know |
| 17:04.52 | superlinux | i just if there is some page online you already know |
| 17:05.10 | superlinux | i just "ask" for ... |
| 17:05.23 | cahoot | !judd pci 8086:2448 |
| 17:05.23 | dpkg | cahoot, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 17:05.37 | cahoot | judd pci 8086:2448 |
| 17:05.38 | judd | cahoot: Error: "pci" is not a valid command. |
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| 17:05.42 | cahoot | doh |
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| 17:06.11 | superlinux | cahoot, IRC is NOT an appropriate way. you know |
| 17:06.19 | superlinux | i want a page. |
| 17:06.24 | Pinchiukas | I downloaded the installation CD and I'm installing it. So what flavor will I have? |
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| 17:09.03 | superlinux | judd, help |
| 17:09.04 | judd | superlinux: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 17:09.20 | superlinux | judd, help pci |
| 17:09.21 | judd | superlinux: Error: There is no command "pci". |
| 17:09.32 | superlinux | judd, help pci ? |
| 17:09.32 | judd | superlinux: Error: There is no command "pci ?". |
| 17:09.42 | superlinux | judd, help !pci |
| 17:09.43 | judd | superlinux: Error: There is no command "!pci". |
| 17:10.01 | superlinux | judd, help help |
| 17:10.02 | judd | superlinux: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 17:10.18 | craigevil | http://wiki.debian.org/HowToIdentifyADevice/PCI |
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| 17:11.21 | superlinux | craigevil, |
| 17:11.22 | superlinux | ok |
| 17:11.37 | craigevil | judd 8086:2448 |
| 17:11.37 | judd | craigevil: Error: "8086:2448" is not a valid command. |
| 17:12.01 | superlinux | though i just usually do lspci and copy the lspci line to google and read forums |
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| 17:12.46 | stew | judd: pciid 8086:2448 |
| 17:12.47 | judd | stew: [8086:2448] is '82801 Mobile PCI Bridge' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:2448 |
| 17:13.43 | superlinux | craigevil, this table is what i really want: http://wiki.debian.org/DeviceDatabase/PCI |
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| 17:20.57 | wvd | How do I give an user all permissions? Since the user doesn't seem to able to make directories. (I created an user with adduser <user> and passwd <user>) |
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| 17:21.46 | stew | wvd: to create a directory, a user needs write permission to the parent directory |
| 17:21.50 | stew | and execute |
| 17:22.06 | wvd | stew: how do I do that? |
| 17:22.37 | stew | wvd: with chmod ; see http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 17:22.45 | stew | or perhaps chown |
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| 17:23.37 | wvd | stew: so I have to login at root and give permission from there? |
| 17:24.18 | stew | wvd: if you need to change ownership, you need root. if you need to change permission you need to be logged in to the account owning the directory, or as root |
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| 17:24.46 | wvd | stew: ls -l just returns root for every file |
| 17:25.27 | wvd | so chown username /path/to/folder? |
| 17:25.59 | Teaboy | or chown user:group /path/to/directory |
| 17:26.42 | wvd | but, if I chown it to foo/bar can it also create a directory at foo/bar/second |
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| 17:27.45 | Teaboy | create? |
| 17:27.57 | Teaboy | you can chown -R to recursively change permissions |
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| 17:28.12 | stew | what is "it" ? |
| 17:28.16 | Teaboy | err change ownership |
| 17:28.19 | stew | what is "foo/bar" ? |
| 17:29.06 | wvd | /foo/bar* |
| 17:29.07 | wvd | an user. |
| 17:29.32 | wvd | let's say I chown user1 /foo/bar, then log onto on user1 should it be able to create /foo/bar/new |
| 17:29.50 | stew | wvd: if the user has write and execute permissions on /foo/bar |
| 17:29.52 | dkr | if /foo/bar has user write permission, yeah |
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| 17:30.10 | wvd | ok |
| 17:30.13 | wvd | and chown does that? |
| 17:30.23 | stew | no, chown changes the owner, chmod changes the permissions |
| 17:30.25 | dkr | chmod is for modifying perms |
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| 17:30.50 | wvd | but |
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| 17:31.00 | wvd | If I only would access the dir from user1, chown should just do fine? |
| 17:31.26 | stew | depending on the permissions |
| 17:31.39 | dkr | but probably the defaults are fine, yes |
| 17:32.02 | Teaboy | if the users are in the same group, you can chmod g+w foo/bar |
| 17:32.04 | paissad-hp | is it possible to retreive just one file from svn directory instead of a whole directory ? |
| 17:32.06 | Teaboy | group +write |
| 17:32.25 | paissad-hp | svn co http://server_adress/file_to_retreive does not work of course |
| 17:32.54 | Teaboy | paissad-hp: just use wget... |
| 17:33.14 | stew | wget is not able to retrieve files from an svn repository |
| 17:33.21 | paissad-hp | Teaboy, it's an ssl site |
| 17:33.34 | paissad-hp | https |
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| 17:34.22 | wvd | Teaboy: they're not in the same group |
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| 17:36.10 | paradoxmonkey | Would anyone test out my sh script for creating bootable images? |
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| 17:36.59 | paradoxmonkey | Would \want\ to test |
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| 17:39.25 | stew | Gercyk: please don't do that in here |
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| 17:41.02 | Sergio` | I can see it in dpkg-reconfigure console-setup |
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| 17:42.57 | paradoxmonkey | How can I truncate 0's at the end of a dd raw file? |
| 17:44.35 | dkr | hexedit? |
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| 17:46.25 | paradoxmonkey | dkr: not by using an app, I would like to do that from a sh script |
| 17:48.45 | paradoxmonkey | I have a sh script that creates a dd raw image, but in the end of the file after partitioning and formating there are still zeros and a lot of programs get funny when they get to those... |
| 17:48.54 | dkr | then use a more powerful programming language, :) |
| 17:49.18 | stew | paradoxmonkey: what programs are getting to those zeros? |
| 17:49.41 | Gercyk | ÆèÃ-Æèà È DJ ÀÃòîÃèî-¨. - ÑÃåãîì Ñòà òü ( Promo Version ) ( Mix ).Mp3 *MUSIC* |
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| 17:50.11 | stew | Gercyk: let me know if you turn that off and want to be unsilenced |
| 17:50.27 | paradoxmonkey | for example physdiskwrite (!windows) gives the use an error if it encounters zeros at the end of the image |
| 17:51.06 | stew | paradoxmonkey: you can use dd to copy only the bits you want to save to another file |
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| 17:51.44 | paradoxmonkey | stew: but how would I know where those zeros begin? |
| 17:51.46 | stew | paradoxmonkey: physdiskwrite is non-free software? what are you using it to do? |
| 17:52.06 | stew | paradoxmonkey: so you have a file which is bigger than the filesystem it contains? |
| 17:52.15 | paradoxmonkey | stew: I'm using it to write the image to a CF card |
| 17:52.31 | stew | paradoxmonkey: why would you use that instead of just cp or cat or dd... |
| 17:52.38 | paradoxmonkey | stew: I do think so |
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| 17:53.14 | paradoxmonkey | stew: cause I'm usually not on linux... |
| 17:53.24 | stew | sucks to be you |
| 17:53.38 | stew | paradoxmonkey: why don't you truncate the file to the size of the partition? |
| 17:53.54 | paradoxmonkey | stew: how do I do that |
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| 17:54.30 | stew | paradoxmonkey: how are you partitioning? |
| 17:54.38 | stew | paradoxmonkey: you should know how many bytes you are using after partitioning |
| 17:55.10 | paradoxmonkey | stew: take a look at http://kacper.se/imgbuilder.sh It's kind of hard to explane |
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| 17:56.35 | stew | paradoxmonkey: you are using fdisk to create a partition that spans the entire image |
| 17:56.47 | stew | paradoxmonkey: and btw, you should be using sfdisk instead of fdisk for this |
| 17:56.56 | stew | paradoxmonkey: so there are no extra zeros at the end |
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| 17:58.39 | paradoxmonkey | stew: I know about sfdisk but I couldn't grasp my head around it's stupid interface. If I open the created image in a hexeditor I see many dots on the end of the file - aren't these zeros? |
| 17:59.13 | paradoxmonkey | stew: Couse if I delete those dots physdiskwrite stops to complain... |
| 17:59.28 | Nohu | A dot in a hex editor, is not representative of it's corresponding hex value. |
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| 17:59.46 | Nohu | It could be numerous values, which are just unable to be displayed as a conventional ASCII character. |
| 17:59.51 | stew | paradoxmonkey: sounds like physdiskwrite is broken |
| 17:59.58 | stew | paradoxmonkey: there are no extra bytes in that file |
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| 18:00.17 | stew | paradoxmonkey: the partition you created extends to the end of the file |
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| 18:02.02 | paradoxmonkey | stew: if so not only is physdiskwrite broken but so is winimage (used for converting images to virtualbox/vmware) |
| 18:02.20 | stew | ok |
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| 18:04.09 | paradoxmonkey | stew: still looking at the created image in a hex editor I see a lot of zeros at the end of the file |
| 18:04.18 | stew | ok |
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| 18:05.38 | ugly | I'm looking to suspend or hibernate a computer that I remotely administer every night, and have it wake up at a scheduled time. Is there any way to do this without accessing the BIOS or having physical access to the box? |
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| 18:06.36 | stew | paradoxmonkey: this isn't suprising if you haven't filled the filesystem yet |
| 18:06.56 | dutchfish | ugly, remote wakeup might just do that (magic packet) |
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| 18:07.26 | paradoxmonkey | stew: you mean that those zeros are free space left? |
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| 18:07.48 | stew | paradoxmonkey: yes |
| 18:08.11 | stew | paradoxmonkey: you've create a partition that spans the entire file and a filesystem that spans the entire partition, so those zeros are part of the filesystem |
| 18:08.12 | ugly | dutchfish: but isn't it only possible to use a magic packet within a LAN? |
| 18:08.15 | stew | paradoxmonkey: and shouldn't be removed |
| 18:08.44 | stew | ugly: usually, and it typically requires changes to the bios settings |
| 18:09.01 | dutchfish | ugly, yes, also take a peak at shutdown-at-night |
| 18:09.21 | paradoxmonkey | stew: hmmm, so I need to get rid of this free space somehow. Could this have something to do with the fact that formating reserves 5% for the super user? |
| 18:09.33 | jelly | no. |
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| 18:09.48 | ugly | ok |
| 18:09.56 | stew | paradoxmonkey: you can use resize2fs to resize the filesystem, then sfdisk to resize the partition. No, this isn't related to reseved space |
| 18:10.08 | dutchfish | ugly, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=shutdown-at-night |
| 18:10.24 | stew | paradoxmonkey: however there should be no problem with these zeros |
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| 18:11.50 | paradoxmonkey | stew: but there is no point of having free space of a "ready to write" image |
| 18:12.26 | joeytwiddle | a friend is having trouble with his X display resolution. i suggested he dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg but that is only asking about his keyboard, not his monitor |
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| 18:13.04 | paradoxmonkey | stew: as seen in the script I have reserved 7% for inode and super user but maybe that's wrong? |
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| 18:13.27 | stew | joeytwiddle: yes, the monitor settings are detected at runtime now so the configure scripts don't ask about it. if the autodetection isn't working, he can try "X -configure" or editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf manually |
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| 18:13.50 | joeytwiddle | thanks stoo |
| 18:14.55 | stew | paradoxmonkey: inodes are allocated at creation time, so you aren't reserving space for them. If you intend for these images to have no free space I suppose there will be no point in reseving non-existant free space for root |
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| 18:16.02 | paradoxmonkey | So I should use tune2fs to disable reserved space for root? |
| 18:16.19 | nvz | paradoxmonkey: do you know a better way? |
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| 18:17.21 | stew | if they have no free space, it doesn't matter if that non existant free space is reseved for root or not |
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| 18:17.21 | nvz | paradoxmonkey: thats not really a good idea, but I do it all the time when I run out of space.. however I know to make a note to free up space soon and turn it back on |
| 18:17.21 | stew | and it seems like you have bigger problems than worrying about the amount of free space is reserved for root or not |
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| 18:17.22 | stew | nvz: he intends to not have any free space anyway, so the amount reserved for root is moot |
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| 18:17.33 | webPragmatist | how can you find the exact version of debian you are running including whether it's 32 or 64bit? |
| 18:17.37 | nvz | stew: indeed. that leads to an unstable system |
| 18:17.51 | becks` | hi, can i connect to the terminal seen on my screen via ssh? |
| 18:17.54 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: wait... is your image bigger than the destination device? |
| 18:18.06 | nvz | webPragmatist: fyi or do you need to script this? |
| 18:18.08 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: no it's not |
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| 18:18.16 | stew | webPragmatist: try "lsb_release -a" for debian version, and "dpkg-architecture" for 32 vs 64 bit |
| 18:18.18 | webPragmatist | nvz: just once |
| 18:18.37 | paradoxmonkey | stew: what bigger problems do I have? |
| 18:19.10 | webPragmatist | lsb_release -a doesn't work |
| 18:19.17 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: why do dd-like utilities (physdiskwrite) complain, then? How do you choose partition table geometry? |
| 18:19.24 | webPragmatist | I can cat/etc/debian_version |
| 18:19.25 | nvz | paradoxmonkey: being out of space is going to make not only your system unstable, but could lead to corruption of yur filesystem and loss of your data |
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| 18:19.27 | stew | paradoxmonkey: that the tools you are using to write these images seem to be broken |
| 18:19.33 | nvz | webPragmatist: as root? |
| 18:19.40 | webPragmatist | oh good point lol |
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| 18:20.13 | webPragmatist | still command not found ? |
| 18:20.46 | paradoxmonkey | nvz: we are talking about free space in a raw dd image |
| 18:20.47 | nvz | webPragmatist: then maybe its not really debian? |
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| 18:21.06 | nvz | paradoxmonkey: ah |
| 18:21.19 | webPragmatist | nvz: it is |
| 18:21.40 | stew | webPragmatist: exactly what command was not found? |
| 18:21.47 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: when they encounter zeros at the end of the image file they stop writing, resulting in an error msg |
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| 18:21.56 | nvz | webPragmatist: well if you need to know for your own information, your libc6 version would usually indicate which release you have as well |
| 18:22.13 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: what zeroes at the end? You just said the image wasn't bigger than it's supposed to be. |
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| 18:22.32 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: why would an app care what kind of data are you writing? |
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| 18:22.36 | webPragmatist | I assume DEB_BUILD_ARCH=i386 is 32bit |
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| 18:23.03 | nvz | webPragmatist: indeed |
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| 18:23.12 | stew | jelly: he's saying that he has an image the size of the disk, and a partition filling the image, and a filesystem filling the partition, but if the end of the image is zeros the tools he use fail, so he's wanting to truncate the image so that its not as large as the partition it contains |
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| 18:23.31 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: can you give concrete examples of physical device size, image size, C/H/S used, and, say, sfdisk -d or fdisk -l on the image? |
| 18:23.57 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: take a look at my script http://kacper.se/imgbuilder.sh |
| 18:24.01 | jelly | stew: I don't see why the tools would fail writing because of the particulat data. |
| 18:24.06 | stew | jelly: same here |
| 18:24.20 | nvz | webPragmatist: I assume if you did cat /etc/debian_version and are still confused, then you already know you're not on stable? |
| 18:24.28 | d1b | jelly: 2038 :P |
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| 18:25.19 | stew | oh |
| 18:25.24 | stew | DIR_SIZE=$(echo "$DIR_SIZE * 1.07/1" | bc) # Add 2% for inodes and 5% for root |
| 18:25.34 | stew | he's making the image 7% larger than the disk |
| 18:25.42 | stew | i'll bet |
| 18:25.56 | stew | oh, no |
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| 18:26.19 | paradoxmonkey | stew: but If I don't add this extra space when copying files cp complains that the disk is out of space |
| 18:26.39 | stew | paradoxmonkey: why don't you just make the size of the image equal to the size of the device you are writing it to? |
| 18:26.56 | stew | or is that unknown? |
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| 18:27.06 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: what is you physical device size? |
| 18:27.13 | webPragmatist | for a server that runs apache, pgsql, etc… would you guys recommend running 64bit debian? |
| 18:27.17 | stew | jelly: about 1 cubic inch |
| 18:27.25 | webPragmatist | mysql, lighty probably |
| 18:27.26 | d1b | paradoxmonkey: why are you doing it this way ? |
| 18:27.27 | jelly | !spank stew |
| 18:27.27 | dpkg | bends stew over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 18:27.28 | nvz | heh |
| 18:27.50 | jpinx-eeepc | could someone please help me with a strange alsa problem in lenny? http://pastebin.com/d6e9051d5 |
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| 18:28.01 | aiyu | hii all, how can i know if my laptop fan is on or not |
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| 18:28.15 | d1b | aiyu: listen for them :P ? |
| 18:28.29 | nvz | webPragmatist: is your architecture 64bit? |
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| 18:29.14 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.36 | aiyu | d1b: hahha, i did and found nothing comes out, no air |
| 18:30.03 | aiyu | even at 75 degrees |
| 18:30.03 | nvz | aiyu: generally they only come on if they need to, and when it comes to linux its often highly unsafe to run it without acpi kernel modules |
| 18:30.03 | jpinx-eeepc | I can call up alsamixer, and I have done all the stuff dpkg suggests, but there is still no sound and I get that error http://pastebin.com/d6e9051d5 |
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| 18:30.04 | paradoxmonkey | aiyu: you could sink the computer into water and watch for bobbles though I don't think your lap will survive the treatment... :P |
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| 18:30.44 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: first, I don't see why you don't just use a ballpark figure like 512MB. Second, FFS, give that ext2 more slack, like 25% or so. Third, make sure your geometry really is x/16/63 like you assume it to be. |
| 18:30.51 | aiyu | nvs: what do u mean by dangerous, how will it be dangerous |
| 18:30.51 | ewet | hi, "30 3 * * 7 root /usr/bin/SpiderOak --purge=/ &" does invoke spideroak every sunday 3.30am right? (it's not too hard..) -- i'm asking because it didn't happen |
| 18:31.13 | nvz | aiyu: as in it could ruin your hardware by letting it overheat |
| 18:31.16 | stew | ewet: where did you put that line? |
| 18:31.18 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: make the image size rounded to that geometry. |
| 18:31.23 | nvz | aiyu: lsmod | grep -c 2 fan |
| 18:31.32 | ewet | stew, /etc/crontab |
| 18:31.45 | nvz | erm |
| 18:31.52 | nvz | aiyu: lsmod | grep -c fan |
| 18:32.14 | stew | ewet: i don't think you want & at the end of that line |
| 18:32.15 | aiyu | nvs: this is what i got "grep: fan: No such file or directory" |
| 18:32.25 | nvz | it should probably return the value 2, if its lower than that, or 0, thats not a good sign |
| 18:32.33 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: (or at the very lleast rounded to the sector size of the device) |
| 18:32.33 | nvz | aiyu: the 2 wasnt suppose to be there |
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| 18:32.51 | aiyu | i got 2 on running it :) |
| 18:33.12 | nvz | aiyu: that means your fan and thermal modules are loaded |
| 18:33.12 | aiyu | what does the '2; mean |
| 18:33.17 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: (probably 512 bytes if the device looks like usb-storage or ATA) |
| 18:33.18 | aiyu | great |
| 18:33.21 | ewet | stew, "0 4 * * * root /usr/bin/SpiderOak --batchmode &" below it works perfectly.. however "/usr/bin/SpiderOak --purge=/" does as well.. |
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| 18:34.02 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: Well now I have another problem witch I haven't thought of. If I create a 200MB partition on the raw img file and write it to the CF card, the partition will not spawn the entire CF disk... |
| 18:34.18 | aiyu | nvs: is there any way i can see the speed of my fan. i am using dell xps m1530 |
| 18:34.43 | nvz | hmm |
| 18:34.49 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: so perhaps I should just ask the user for how big their destination medium is? |
| 18:34.51 | nvz | its a possibility |
| 18:35.23 | jelly | srsly, what's wrong with a 512MB image |
| 18:35.27 | ewet | my /etc/crontab http://debian.pastebin.com/m69d5d698 |
| 18:35.39 | d1b | aiyu: oooo |
| 18:35.55 | aiyu | d1b: eeee |
| 18:36.10 | d1b | aiyu: what type of laptop is this ? |
| 18:36.18 | nvz | aiyu: is there anything in /proc/acpi/fan/ ? |
| 18:36.19 | aiyu | d1b: its dell xps |
| 18:36.39 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: well if the img is 512M and the destination drive is 1G then 512M will be wasted |
| 18:36.45 | nvz | if not then you probably need something fancier like lm-sensors or something |
| 18:36.48 | d1b | aiyu: this does seem odd. usually the system will do the handling of fans for your via acpi / bios. |
| 18:36.56 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: so what? |
| 18:36.57 | nvz | mine is empty |
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| 18:37.11 | d1b | there is also i8kutils not sure if that runs on the latest /xps dells tho. |
| 18:37.26 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: It's like having a 1TB drive and only be able to use 1G... |
| 18:37.36 | aiyu | d1b: mine is empty |
| 18:37.41 | nvz | linux basically uses the BIOS for scratch paper, it does little if anything after the kernel loads into memory |
| 18:37.43 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: if it does the job it's supposed to do, that's fine by me |
| 18:37.51 | d1b | aiyu: mm? |
| 18:38.01 | d1b | nvz: not exactly. |
| 18:38.07 | d1b | nvz: acpi is evil :P |
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| 18:38.19 | aiyu | what is acpi |
| 18:38.21 | nvz | haha\ |
| 18:38.24 | d1b | !acpi |
| 18:38.25 | dpkg | Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken, or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or generally better than <APM>. For a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/acpi/ See also <acpid>, <suspend>. |
| 18:38.31 | nvz | Advanced Configuration and Power Interface |
| 18:38.39 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: right now you've set it to leave as much of the device unused as possible |
| 18:38.40 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: So I just ask the user how big the destination drive is gone to be. But what about the fdisk C / H / S values? |
| 18:38.53 | d1b | "run this arbitary code in ring 0" :P |
| 18:39.05 | aiyu | so why shud it be bad, after all dell knows whats best for their hardware |
| 18:39.27 | nvz | haha |
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| 18:39.38 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: make the image size rounded down to whatever geometry you choose |
| 18:39.39 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: I didn't consider that a 100M raw image partition will not spawn the entire drive |
| 18:39.42 | d1b | aiyu: should be fine, just there has been POC's / papers on backdooring pc's by acpi. |
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| 18:39.56 | d1b | aiyu: check you have installed laptop tools tho tho... |
| 18:39.57 | aiyu | ohhk |
| 18:39.58 | d1b | etc. |
| 18:40.10 | Laeborg | i keep getting erros like "locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory" |
| 18:40.12 | d1b | acpid etc. |
| 18:40.16 | aiyu | d1b: how can i check it, whats the command line |
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| 18:40.41 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: never the less If I have a destination drive of 1G I create a img of 1G, agreed. |
| 18:40.46 | d1b | try "powertop" |
| 18:40.58 | d1b | iirc, thats included in the laptop task. |
| 18:40.59 | cahoot | Laeborg: tried dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
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| 18:41.42 | aiyu | d1b: bash: powertop: command not found |
| 18:41.52 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone able to spare a thought for my alsa problem please? |
| 18:41.59 | d1b | aiyu: go "tasksel" and pick laptop. |
| 18:42.08 | ewet | stew, well I'll tray it without "&" but I don't think it's the source of the error |
| 18:42.27 | aiyu | d1b: its already selected |
| 18:42.33 | d1b | aiyu: oh i see. |
| 18:42.35 | Laeborg | yes, didnt help me cahoot |
| 18:42.36 | d1b | good. |
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| 18:42.53 | stew | ewet: the "30 3 * * 7 root" part is correct |
| 18:43.20 | cahoot | jpinx-eeepc: same error for root? |
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| 18:43.31 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: that is as root |
| 18:43.34 | aiyu | d1b: is tasksel, debian specific or for all linux |
| 18:43.49 | stew | paradoxmonkey: is perhaps the sparse file your problem? |
| 18:43.53 | d1b | it is used by debian. |
| 18:44.03 | d1b | but it could be used elsewhere. |
| 18:44.03 | cahoot | jpinx-eeepc: already troed alsa force-reload? |
| 18:44.09 | d1b | !dfsg |
| 18:44.10 | dpkg | i guess dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 18:44.11 | ewet | stew, I know -- it's a bit weird because both commands work perfectly.. |
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| 18:44.35 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: I purged and reinstalled alsa |
| 18:44.46 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: did you reset the alsa states ? |
| 18:45.35 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: did force reload - same result |
| 18:45.36 | paradoxmonkey | stew: I doesn't matter now since I just figured out that I need to spawn the entire destination drive, so I need to ask the user how big the destination drive is and then create the image accordingly. |
| 18:45.53 | jpinx-eeepc | d1b: how to reset the states? |
| 18:46.09 | stew | paradoxmonkey: yes, it does matter, but ok |
| 18:46.10 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: i use a gui :P |
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| 18:46.23 | cahoot | jpinx-eeepc: /etc/iniit.d/alsa-utils reset 0 |
| 18:46.24 | jpinx-eeepc | d1b: which gui? |
| 18:46.33 | d1b | jpinx-eeepc: try what cahoot said tho. |
| 18:46.51 | d1b | there is also alsamixer tho. |
| 18:46.53 | d1b | etc. |
| 18:47.11 | jpinx-eeepc | i did alsa mixer |
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| 18:47.22 | Dga_ | Hi |
| 18:47.24 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: /etc/iniit.d/alsa-utils: command not found |
| 18:47.29 | paradoxmonkey | stew: what does matter? I mean I can't create a 50MB image and have it spawn the entire space of a 1G drive |
| 18:47.42 | Dga_ | impressive, this irc client in javascript work fine |
| 18:47.43 | cahoot | scrap the extra 'i' |
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| 18:47.53 | d1b | Dga_: which is that ? |
| 18:48.09 | stew | paradoxmonkey: i mean that you still don't know the source of the error you are getting with your tools that was making you want to truncate your image |
| 18:48.11 | paradoxmonkey | stew: If I create a 50MB partition on the image I will have a 50MB partition on the destination drive... |
| 18:48.18 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: oops! done -- but same result |
| 18:48.20 | Dga_ | http://www.ape-project.org/demos/6/tcpsocket-demo-irc.html :p sorry if I can't post a link :x |
| 18:48.44 | stew | paradoxmonkey: yes, but you still don't know why you are having trouble copying the image to the drive |
| 18:48.49 | nvz | aiyu: some casual googling does reveal a lot of hits about varis fan issues with that notebook |
| 18:48.56 | stew | paradoxmonkey: i'm guessing that the sparse file might be the problem |
| 18:48.57 | nvz | various even |
| 18:48.59 | paradoxmonkey | stew: oh your right - those stupid tools. I'm so confused right now that my head is spinning... :P |
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| 18:49.32 | d1b | nvz: any suggestions ? |
| 18:49.43 | nvz | aiyu: some people are saying the fans never stop on some distros (and even windows) causing poor battery life, and others are saying they never start causing over heating |
| 18:49.50 | nvz | d1b: on what? |
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| 18:50.16 | d1b | nvz: the fan issue. |
| 18:50.30 | teratoma | I am running 2.6.21.7-2.fc8xen-ec2-v1.0 in an amazon EC2 instance ( i guess it must be a xen guest ). how can I install the fuse kernel module ? |
| 18:50.36 | nvz | d1b: idk I only just did a quick search, and he never answered me about the /proc/acpi/fan/ |
| 18:50.37 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: and I can see in alsamixer that the levels are tweaked slightly, but that error I pasted still existst |
| 18:50.42 | paradoxmonkey | stew: the sparse file was a way to fix so that I could pass the size of the image to dd in bytes, but perhaps now that I ask the user for the size this fix is no longer required |
| 18:50.43 | aiyu | nvs: yes, i had similar experience in ubuntu, thats why i asked. my motherboard , battery got damaged.luckily i was in next day replacement |
| 18:50.53 | nvz | d1b: I don't have the hardware here, so all I can gather is what he tells me or what I google |
| 18:51.06 | nvz | aiyu: would help if you were highlighting my nick, and not nvs's |
| 18:51.07 | d1b | nvz: correct. |
| 18:51.12 | cahoot | jpinx-eeepc: is this a very new chip? |
| 18:51.18 | stew | paradoxmonkey: you can do that with count/bs |
| 18:51.24 | aiyu | nvz: sorry |
| 18:51.26 | aiyu | :) |
| 18:51.34 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: no - it's a standard eeepc 701 |
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| 18:52.01 | d1b | aiyu: perhaps try fancontrol |
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| 18:52.11 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: I don't know why that suggestion from dpkg throws the error |
| 18:52.16 | cahoot | jpinx-eeepc: and we are discussing card0? ( cat /proc/asound/cards) |
| 18:52.19 | nvz | aiyu: I believe this is the same laptop a girlfriend of mine has.. but she of course just runs the os it came with, windows.. and has the purple one.. I assume you got a different color :-P |
| 18:52.28 | stew | jpinx-eeepc: perhaps ask #debian-eeepc on irc.debian.org? |
| 18:52.39 | aiyu | nvz: black :) |
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| 18:52.52 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: yep |
| 18:52.58 | fgiasson | Hi Everybody! I am in a kind of a mess right now. I did want to upgrade the PHP version on my ubuntu server by using the command "apt-get upgrade php". However, in the process I got this log error: ""Preparing to replace libc6 2.7-10ubuntu4 (using .../libc6_2.7-10ubuntu5_i386.deb) ... head: error while loading shared libraries: /lib/libc.so.6: file too short""... then, everything that was run (which uses libc.so.6) was sending |
| 18:53.03 | jpinx-eeepc | stew - yep - I'll head over there |
| 18:53.08 | aiyu | d1b: fancontrol , is it a package? |
| 18:53.09 | nvz | aiyu: I'm sure we could resolve this issue one way or another, and if the fans arent running this is a serious issue.. but its not likely to be a real simple fix |
| 18:53.18 | d1b | aiyu: no, im trying to find the package for it. |
| 18:53.25 | d1b | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.32 | stew | fgiasson: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 18:53.50 | aiyu | nvz: yes, i had suse and it had good out of the box fan support, so there is a solution |
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| 18:54.04 | nvz | aiyu: most of the fan and thermal monitoring and control software depends on the same underlying methods of controlling the hardware which is either through the acpi kernel modules or through lm-sensor modules |
| 18:54.09 | nvz | aiyu: I believe this is the same laptop a girlfriend of mine has.. but she of course just runs the os it came with, windows.. and has the purple one.. I assume you got a different color :-Pdell xps m1530 |
| 18:54.13 | nvz | blah |
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| 18:54.16 | nvz | f'n netbook |
| 18:54.37 | nvz | too easy to press buttons accidentally on here |
| 18:54.40 | fgiasson | stew: I didn't, without any luck; however, I don't think it is specifically related to ubuntu, since I can read about such issues even in fedora :| |
| 18:54.51 | nvz | sorry about the repeat |
| 18:54.54 | stew | fgiasson: try a ubuntu mailing list then |
| 18:55.14 | stew | fgiasson: or if you are having this problem in fedora, ask in #fedora |
| 18:55.18 | aiyu | np |
| 18:55.20 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: many thanks - got it! |
| 18:55.21 | nvz | aiyu: first you need to see if there is anything in /proc/acpi/fan/ since we know the acpi fan and thermal modules are loaded |
| 18:55.22 | d1b | aiyu: from what i can tell, its part of lm sensors. |
| 18:55.34 | nvz | aiyu: if there is not, then your fans cannot be controlled via acpi |
| 18:55.34 | cahoot | jpinx-eeepc: what? |
| 18:55.49 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: got alsa to behave |
| 18:56.02 | nvz | aiyu: and you need additional kernel support for the particular i2c interface your fans use |
| 18:56.12 | aiyu | nvz: its empty |
| 18:56.17 | fgiasson | stew: having problem with apt-get and now libc.so.6 :) |
| 18:56.20 | jpinx-eeepc | cahoot: purge, re install, force reload, reset |
| 18:56.29 | stew | fgiasson: yeah, I saw that. You are in the wrong channel |
| 18:56.29 | fgiasson | (was just saying that it was not a problem only related to ubuntu) |
| 18:56.38 | stew | fgiasson: try ##linux perhaps then |
| 18:56.43 | fgiasson | good thanks |
| 18:57.01 | fgiasson | will try that, sorry about that |
| 18:57.02 | stew | fgiasson: you are NOT having a debian problem, which is why we'd prefer you not to ask in here |
| 18:57.07 | nvz | aiyu: yeah mine is too, and I dont seem to have a chip supported by lm sensors, but my fans seem to work anyhow.. cause they are on right now |
| 18:57.33 | nvz | aiyu: maybe try apt-get install lm-sensors && sensors-detect |
| 18:57.45 | fgiasson | stew: yup, sorry and thanks! |
| 18:57.52 | nvz | and see if it can find a module that can communicate via i2c with your hardware |
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| 18:59.07 | aiyu | nvz: is the name correct sensors-detect |
| 18:59.21 | nvz | aiyu: usually what I do when I notice these kinds of things is just start by rolling the latest kernel source. but thats 1) aimless and 2) I know how to compile kernels so its not really that hard for me to do. but for someone else I'd recommend trying to figure out the problem before trying to solve it aimlessly |
| 18:59.51 | nvz | aiyu: sensors-detect is a program that comes with the lm-sensors package. if you run that command as I told you it will run |
| 18:59.54 | aiyu | nvs: so this is directly linked to kernel? |
| 18:59.56 | d1b | lm-sensors does provide fancontrol. |
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| 19:00.03 | nvz | aiyu: apt-get install lm-sensors && sensors-detect |
| 19:00.06 | d1b | aiyu: we don't know yet. |
| 19:00.22 | nvz | d1b: only if there is a kernel driver to support the i2c interface that controls the fans |
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| 19:00.50 | d1b | nvz: only if the hardware even has such an interface ,sure. |
| 19:01.10 | nvz | d1b: there are a plethora of graphical, non graphical, and daemon tools that will control fans, that all depenend on the same kernel-level support of either ACPI or i2c/lm-sensors type |
| 19:01.22 | d1b | nvz: yes i agree. |
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| 19:01.58 | aiyu | nvz: are all fans i2c? |
| 19:02.06 | nvz | aiyu: no, of course not |
| 19:02.31 | nvz | aiyu: and even those that are, aren't nessicarily supported by linux just because linux does support i2c |
| 19:02.36 | aiyu | assuming my laptop not older than one year , it shud be i2c right? |
| 19:02.52 | nvz | probably |
| 19:02.56 | d1b | hopefully. otherwise you might want to use opensuse... |
| 19:03.07 | nvz | its not a definate |
| 19:03.28 | aiyu | nvz: one thing i dont get is, do i have an option to choose between i2c/lm-sensors way or acpi way? |
| 19:03.29 | nvz | sensors-detect found several unsupported things on my system |
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| 19:04.13 | nvz | aiyu: the key here is that the kernel is aware of your fans because it will turn them on for you.. having apps to control fan speed is irrelevant without kernel level support |
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| 19:04.45 | nvz | aiyu: acpi doesnt matter because if the acpi "fan.ko" found your fan, it would be in /proc/acpi/fan/ |
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| 19:05.01 | nvz | aiyu: check /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/ and you will likely see stuff in there |
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| 19:05.17 | aiyu | nvz: isnt the acpi way the best way , if we could make it work |
| 19:05.18 | nvz | aiyu: because the linux kernel IS most likely aware of the temperature in your system via acpi |
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| 19:06.02 | nvz | actually that is empty as well on my system |
| 19:06.17 | aiyu | nvz: i got something there |
| 19:06.29 | nvz | my fans must be working purely due to my bios.. cause the kernel seems completely unaware of my system's thermal and fans |
| 19:06.37 | aiyu | in a folder called THM ihave, "cooling_mode polling_frequency statetemperature trip_points |
| 19:06.37 | aiyu | " |
| 19:07.24 | nvz | aiyu: yeah, and if you do "cat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM/*" you will read out the info from those |
| 19:07.39 | nvz | which should show your system's temperature among other things |
| 19:07.40 | aiyu | nvz: my cooling_mode is empty |
| 19:07.44 | SerajewelKS | does anyone else notice that flash on linux seems to have problems connecting over TCP sockets to anything? |
| 19:07.55 | d1b | SerajewelKS: no |
| 19:08.05 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 19:08.07 | aiyu | nvz: ohh no! everything is empty |
| 19:08.35 | SerajewelKS | d1b: every non-flash-remoting-based multiplayer game i try fails to connect on linux. on an XP VM running on the same physical hardware, everything works as expected. |
| 19:08.44 | nvz | SerajewelKS: only problem I've observed lately is that if I have flash site open and close my lid of my netbook, and it sleeps, then I wake it back up, the flash will NOT have sound until I close and restart the browser. ANY flash that is, not just the flash I had open. |
| 19:08.56 | nvz | I have no idea why that is, and haven't bothered tracking it down |
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| 19:09.07 | SerajewelKS | weird |
| 19:09.09 | aiyu | nvz: u using a lap? |
| 19:09.19 | d1b | SerajewelKS: "non-flash" ? don't you mean flash... |
| 19:09.28 | d1b | perhaps it is a windows only feature :P |
| 19:09.32 | SerajewelKS | d1b: !(flash-remoting) |
| 19:09.58 | SerajewelKS | nvz: i notice other things too like if i open the settings panel, i can't click anything at all and must use the keyboard to close it |
| 19:10.00 | d1b | SerajewelKS: what? |
| 19:10.03 | SerajewelKS | seems they lack polish |
| 19:10.05 | nvz | aiyu: Acer AspireOne ZG5 European (French/English) model netbook |
| 19:10.16 | SerajewelKS | d1b: apply the "non" to "flash-remoting", not to "flash" |
| 19:10.46 | aiyu | nvz: so bios can override all cooling mechanisms? |
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| 19:11.14 | nvz | aiyu: if its working properly (i.e. doesn't have bugs) its SUPPOSE to.. |
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| 19:11.20 | d1b | aiyu: modern cpus also downclock / turn off if they start overheating. |
| 19:11.57 | aiyu | d1b: my sys is weird now, it seems to have no idea on how to cool! |
| 19:12.05 | SerajewelKS | nvz: it's like some deadlock in the flash apps or something. using wireshark, i see a request go out, a response, then nothing. considering that flash is supposed to be reasonably xplat, that surprises me. |
| 19:12.05 | nvz | aiyu: sensors-detect finds nothing usable on my system, and ACPI thermal_zone/ and fan/ are empty, yet my fans been going on/off all this time while we've been talking |
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| 19:12.23 | nvz | aiyu: so its obviously got to be the BIOS doing it on my system |
| 19:12.35 | SerajewelKS | i can't imagine what could make it fail on linux but run fine on windows |
| 19:12.38 | nvz | because the kernel has no idea |
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| 19:13.01 | d1b | aiyu: what's the model exactly ? |
| 19:13.29 | nvz | d1b: he said its an XPS m1530 |
| 19:13.31 | d1b | nvz: if opensuse works, it might be due to a later kernel... |
| 19:13.33 | d1b | nvz: k |
| 19:13.33 | aiyu | once in ubuntu , i had options to select amoung various options, it also had some acpi thing in it. i think some linux offers some option to take control over fan speed as well from bios. |
| 19:13.36 | nvz | they are very new |
| 19:13.50 | nvz | which is why the support is probably lacking in debian stock kernel |
| 19:14.11 | nvz | aiyu: there are those options, butdell xps m1530 |
| 19:14.31 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:15.01 | d1b | aiyu: try i8kutils |
| 19:15.29 | aiyu | wouldnt the bios be occupied with it , like while the os is being installed, it still need to have all support mechanism in place. |
| 19:15.30 | d1b | apt-get install i8kutils |
| 19:16.11 | nvz | aiyu: ACPI IS a BIOS function, and typically over the last roughly 10 years ACPI has been around, it conrolled those sorts of things, but in more recent times with development of the i2c protocol, there are special chips on the system that monitor this stuff and communicate via the i2c bus |
| 19:16.37 | d1b | aiyu: try updating your bios. |
| 19:16.58 | aiyu | nvz: i think it up to date, it a12 or something |
| 19:17.26 | nvz | aiyu: yeah I doubt there is a bios update for those, they are really new |
| 19:17.30 | aiyu | d1b: how will i know if i18kutils worked or not? |
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| 19:17.52 | nvz | if you know your fans worked on suse, it is likely a kernel issue |
| 19:18.11 | d1b | nvz: mm maybe also i8kutils . |
| 19:18.16 | aiyu | yes it worked on suse. when i got ruined by ubuntu, i moved to suse |
| 19:18.28 | nvz | aiyu: its not at all uncommon for older kernels to be capable of supporting new hardware, but don't simply because the specific hardware ids of newer stuff is not listed in the driver |
| 19:18.56 | nvz | aiyu: this is why when I have problems like this, I just roll the latest kernel source first and start from there |
| 19:18.57 | aiyu | in conky it reffered i18kutils for dell inspiron, though conky didnt mention anything for xps specifically |
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| 19:20.43 | aiyu | d1b:what was the i18utils for? |
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| 19:20.52 | d1b | aiyu: modprobe i8k |
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| 19:21.03 | d1b | then type i8kfan |
| 19:21.03 | gkahla | howdy all - anyone having trouble getting Epiphany / Liferea integration done on the 64bit version? |
| 19:21.24 | nvz | aiyu: though considering you probably have little/no experience rolling a kernel package, and your hardware is likely overheating.. compiling code would cause it to heat up more.. so you might be best off looking for an already rolled modern kernel like those kmuto does or such |
| 19:21.50 | d1b | actually i8kctl is better. |
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| 19:22.42 | aiyu | this is what i get "can't open /proc/i8k: No such file or directory" |
| 19:22.48 | d1b | aiyu: yes modprobe i8k |
| 19:22.53 | d1b | "modprobe i8k" |
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| 19:23.07 | aiyu | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.08 | aiyu | FATAL: Error inserting i8k (/lib/modules/2.6.26-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/i8k.ko): No such device |
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| 19:23.29 | d1b | aiyu: i did not have that error :P |
| 19:23.31 | gkahla | Epiphany extensions is installed, RSS New extension is enabled, "liferea-add-feed" works from the commandline. However, on a site with an RSS feed, Epiphany's Tools menu displays the News Reader link, but it's disabled... |
| 19:23.41 | d1b | aiyu: depmod -ae |
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| 19:24.26 | aiyu | what was it for, it took a while end up showing nothing |
| 19:24.40 | shivraj | how can you enter unicode text ? |
| 19:24.43 | d1b | aiyu: now try modprobe i8k again. |
| 19:24.49 | d1b | aiyu: to find modules :P |
| 19:24.52 | aiyu | same error |
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| 19:24.57 | d1b | aiyu: interesting. |
| 19:24.58 | kalos | Ciao @LL |
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| 19:25.24 | shivraj | say this string for example, Bouches-du-Rhône |
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| 19:26.07 | d1b | aiyu: you need to load that module. so that is odd. |
| 19:26.13 | aiyu | d1b: how can we pinpoint the prob, like what is the basic problem, like whether the device is detected and so on |
| 19:26.28 | d1b | aiyu: trying to use i8k to do that... |
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| 19:26.51 | d1b | i was hoping i8k would work.... |
| 19:26.53 | aiyu | it doesnt work, what is the requirement to it to work |
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| 19:27.16 | d1b | aiyu: i8k is somewhere in the kernel. |
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| 19:27.43 | nvz | I'd grab a more recent kernel and reboot and see if that fixes the problem first, and if not, at least you know you now have more up to date code and a better chance of solving it |
| 19:27.53 | stew | aiyu: "no such device" means "you don't have any hardware that this module supports" |
| 19:28.11 | d1b | stew: wasn't sure. |
| 19:28.16 | nvz | I'm not sure when exactly those machines came out, but I know it was less than 6mo ago the girl I know who has one got it.. and that kernel is far older than 6mo |
| 19:28.34 | aiyu | stew: how can i find if the system detects a fan or not |
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| 19:28.54 | d1b | stew: a google, shows that others appeared to be using i8k with with his model dell. |
| 19:29.11 | stew | aiyu: i don't know more than what others are telling you |
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| 19:29.21 | paradoxmonkey | Using "if [ 62 -le 62 2> /dev/null ]; then" I get that 62 < 62, what have I done wrong? |
| 19:29.27 | nvz | aiyu: we already know its not, because you say the fan doesn't work, and you see nothing in /proc/acpi/fan/ and apparently sensors-detect found nothing either |
| 19:29.28 | aiyu | i8k, does it work alone or any dependencies is required |
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| 19:29.54 | nvz | stew: is kmuto the best option for a recent kernel in stable for him? |
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| 19:30.08 | d1b | aiyu: it doesn't work for you here. it may be easier to use opensuse in this case, atm. |
| 19:30.08 | aiyu | nvz:regarding sensor-detect, it asks me few ques |
| 19:30.13 | aiyu | and i answers it all |
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| 19:30.15 | stew | nvz: i don't know. i'd loot at backports.org |
| 19:30.16 | d1b | aiyu: say yes to them. |
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| 19:30.57 | stew | paradoxmonkey: did you really mean "62 -le 62 2> /dev/null" and not just "62 -le 62" ? |
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| 19:31.20 | stew | paradoxmonkey: and did you mean -lt instead of -le ? |
| 19:31.24 | aiyu | i want debian, i like this, everybody says its cool and i am used to it now |
| 19:31.26 | aiyu | :) |
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| 19:31.46 | paradoxmonkey | stew: is -lt --> less then or equal? |
| 19:31.57 | stew | paradoxmonkey: no |
| 19:32.00 | stew | paradoxmonkey: (man test) |
| 19:32.26 | nvz | aiyu: looks like backports has 2.6.30 which is what I believe the latest kmuto kernels are built from.. |
| 19:32.40 | nvz | aiyu: i'd install that and see what happens |
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| 19:32.52 | nvz | latest is 2.6.32.2 |
| 19:33.01 | aiyu | nvz:is it easy to install |
| 19:33.09 | nvz | but don't know anyone who has them built for lenny |
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| 19:33.21 | nvz | aiyu: yeah, just gotta reboot to load the new kernel from your bootloader |
| 19:33.45 | nvz | aiyu: you didn't install any 3rd party kernel modules did you? |
| 19:33.58 | aiyu | nvz: no |
| 19:34.08 | nvz | aiyu: then it should cleanly install |
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| 19:34.38 | nvz | aiyu: and it doesnt generally have dependancies for a kernel package so you could actually pull it right off a mirror without modifying your sources |
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| 19:35.05 | ELFUSER | hey Realtek8185 Suported for Debian Lenny? |
| 19:35.08 | paradoxmonkey | stew: [ 62 -lt 62 ] is infact less-than-or-equal |
| 19:35.09 | aiyu | nvz: when i sensors-detect, it says Probing for `Analog Devices ADM1033'... No |
| 19:35.14 | aiyu | is it normal |
| 19:35.27 | nvz | aiyu: what does uname -r say, and what kind of cpu is in "cat /proc/cpuinfo" ? |
| 19:35.52 | nvz | aiyu: sensors detect just tries to load all available i2c modules to see if your hardware supports any of them |
| 19:35.53 | aiyu | 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 19:36.03 | nvz | so right now you're using 686 |
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| 19:36.13 | aiyu | Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T7250 @ 2.00GHz |
| 19:36.15 | nvz | but what kind of cpu is actually in that thing? |
| 19:36.19 | stew | paradoxmonkey: note that you originally said -le not -lt |
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| 19:36.26 | g4br13l- | 2.6.26-2-686 Supported for Realtek 8185 ? |
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| 19:36.39 | nvz | aiyu: then you could use 686 or amd64 depending |
| 19:36.54 | babilen | g4br13l-: yes ... would have told you earlier if not for the name change ;-) |
| 19:36.57 | stew | paradoxmonkey: and here [ 62 -lt 62 ] fails |
| 19:37.08 | babilen | !tell g4br13l- -about rtl8185 |
| 19:37.09 | nvz | aiyu: what does dpkg-architecture tell you? |
| 19:37.20 | nvz | aiyu: are you running all i386/486 packages? |
| 19:37.25 | aiyu | nvz:what is 686 , i installed 386, is it dual core intel procesor number |
| 19:37.28 | freebse | hi I just reinstalled, but can not get compiz to work, I had this once, and someone told me a pakage in non-free to install to get direct rendering working on ati... maybe someone does know this plz... thx a lot m8 |
| 19:37.30 | stew | paradoxmonkey: what is output when you run "[ 62 -lt 62 ] ; echo $?" |
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| 19:38.02 | nvz | aiyu: i686 is just a particular arch specification, supports newer cpu functions |
| 19:38.12 | aiyu | its 32 bit? |
| 19:38.18 | nvz | aiyu: yes |
| 19:38.29 | nvz | aiyu: amd64 is the arch that would support 64bit on your cpu |
| 19:38.42 | aiyu | nvz, so what do u suggest solve current issue or get new kernel |
| 19:38.56 | nvz | aiyu: I'm thinking its one and the same |
| 19:39.10 | nvz | aiyu: just trying to figure out if you wanna install the newere i686 or amd64 kernel |
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| 19:39.30 | aiyu | i686, is better |
| 19:39.30 | nvz | aiyu: trying to gather if your packages are 32 or 64 bit |
| 19:39.39 | aiyu | 32 bit |
| 19:39.46 | nvz | aiyu: either kernel will work with 32bit packages |
| 19:39.59 | aiyu | yes, but still i686 is good |
| 19:40.04 | nvz | aiyu: but a 64bit kernel wont really offer you much additional performance with all 32bit system |
| 19:40.10 | aiyu | yes |
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| 19:41.41 | nvz | waits for his f'n system to catch up |
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| 19:43.06 | paradoxmonkey | stew: it returns $ |
| 19:43.30 | nvz | aiyu: do this as root to fetch latest backport kernel for lenny, and install it |
| 19:43.32 | aiyu | nvz: i got something for cat /proc/i8k |
| 19:43.38 | aiyu | it has folders |
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| 19:44.28 | paradoxmonkey | stew: [ 62 -le 62 ]; then # will not pass where as [ 62 -lt 62 ]; then # will pass |
| 19:44.37 | nvz | aiyu: wget "http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/l/linux-2.6/linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686_2.6.30-8~bpo50+2_i386.deb" && dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686_2.6.30-8~bpo50+2_i386.deb |
| 19:44.47 | nvz | aiyu: I have no idea what i8k even is |
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| 19:45.00 | stew | paradoxmonkey: oh, i was assuming bash or zsh or sh or something, what shell are you writing this in? |
| 19:45.00 | glider1 | hi all |
| 19:45.25 | glider1 | exit |
| 19:45.51 | nvz | aiyu: that will install the latest backport i686 kernel for lenny, and allow you to select it from your grub menu at boot |
| 19:45.53 | aiyu | nvz: will this automatically do all . and give me a fresh new debian with a new kernel |
| 19:45.57 | paradoxmonkey | stew: bash |
| 19:46.03 | stew | paradoxmonkey: then you mistyped my command |
| 19:46.04 | nvz | aiyu: may resolve your issue by itself |
| 19:46.04 | aiyu | ok thanks nvz |
| 19:46.24 | aiyu | nvz: so i shudnt update my kernel at all :) |
| 19:46.25 | nvz | aiyu: doesn't do anything but install a new kernel, doesn't effect the system otherwise |
| 19:46.43 | stew | paradoxmonkey: on bash it would have echoed a 1 |
| 19:46.55 | stew | (or perhaps 0 in some broken universe) |
| 19:46.55 | paradoxmonkey | stew: and so it did |
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| 19:47.14 | pmate | hello |
| 19:47.15 | stew | paradoxmonkey: ok, so then no, its not as you said that 62 is less than 62 |
| 19:47.30 | stew | paradoxmonkey: as that command returned a failure (1) |
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| 19:47.44 | freebse | argh can not get compiz to work, can not remember what package to install... dri is working, just compiz is falling back to metacity |
| 19:47.50 | nvz | aiyu: just install that and reboot, choose the new 2.6.30 kernel, and come back... by then you should hopefully hear a fan running, if not, then we gotta try other things |
| 19:48.14 | aiyu | nvz: do u know how large is the download |
| 19:48.24 | paradoxmonkey | stew: isn't 1=true? |
| 19:48.26 | nvz | aiyu: 23mb |
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| 19:48.43 | stew | paradoxmonkey: no, 0 is success and non-zero is failure |
| 19:48.55 | aiyu | nvz: how long will u be here? |
| 19:48.59 | hikenboot | why is transfering data over samba so slow in debian /ubuntu when pointing to a vista box? |
| 19:49.05 | superlinux | guys!? how can i fix OOffice 3.1 that when i delete a character it does not whiten the place of the deleted character completely. some black dots stay and some residues? |
| 19:49.37 | stew | paradoxmonkey: when a command succeeds it exits with zero, when it fails it exits with a non-zero integer possibly indicating what the failure was |
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| 19:49.38 | joltcan | hikenboot: Have you modified the default smb.conf at all? |
| 19:49.43 | hikenboot | I get 1.5 Mb / s throughput should get around 15 -20 i suspect |
| 19:49.47 | nvz | aiyu: I got no plans for the day, and as of right now got no internet at home cause comcast shut my phone and internet off due to signal leakage.. heh.. so I got this EVDO modem and a netbook.. so I can be on here from virtually anywhere |
| 19:50.05 | hikenboot | no joltcan, what changes would you recommend ? |
| 19:50.14 | paradoxmonkey | stew: I don't get it: if [ 62 -le 62 ]; then #won't run inside fi |
| 19:50.39 | aiyu | nvz: hehe , will get to u after installation in an hour |
| 19:50.43 | nvz | aiyu: should only take you a few mintues to download and install that kernel and reboot |
| 19:50.47 | paradoxmonkey | stew: if [ 62 -lt 62 ]; then #will run inside fi |
| 19:50.55 | nvz | aiyu: damn, your inet is that slow? |
| 19:51.03 | stew | paradoxmonkey: what happens when you run "if [ 62 -le 62 ]; then echo yes ; else echo no ; fi" |
| 19:51.22 | stew | paradoxmonkey: you seem to have it backwards |
| 19:51.43 | aiyu | nvz: guess right, i will get to broadband in an hour, right now i am on dialup, i cant really trust this thing :( |
| 19:51.53 | superlinux | So? |
| 19:52.05 | nvz | aiyu: will take me 5min to get that kernel on this dialup cellular I'm on |
| 19:52.30 | nvz | probably more like 3min, but no more than 5 |
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| 19:52.44 | aiyu | nvz: then i will get it now, i hope everything goes well |
| 19:53.10 | nvz | aiyu: haha.. its your call.. where did you even manage to find dial up internet in this day and age? |
| 19:53.25 | joltcan | hikenboot: setting socket options |
| 19:53.26 | aiyu | nvz: i am in india :) |
| 19:53.39 | aiyu | we still got all sort of internet here |
| 19:53.41 | nvz | aiyu: I didnt even know they made computers with dial up adapters anymore |
| 19:53.46 | aiyu | its a specimen of tech |
| 19:54.11 | aiyu | i even got an external modem from dell with my laptop a year ago |
| 19:54.18 | paradoxmonkey | stew: you're right. In my sh script if flipped it... |
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| 19:54.24 | joltcan | hikenboot: just google that and samba performance. Also, make sure you get local high access speed to your disk drives, I have seen all to many systems that haven't enable readahead on the drives and that means network performance would be low as well |
| 19:54.29 | nvz | aiyu: could be worse, you could be in the people's republic, behind the great firewall of china |
| 19:55.13 | aiyu | lucky i am not there, he we might have close check on all internet data very soon , due to all those terrorist craps |
| 19:55.22 | nvz | that concept just kills me, how china built the great wall back in the day, and now they did the same thing on the internet |
| 19:55.41 | qwd | When deleting or copying stuff in Midnight Commander (mc) you see this progress bar and two alternatives. Skip and Abort. What does that mean? If I press skip will I just hide the progress bar and it will continue? |
| 19:55.45 | aiyu | haha |
| 19:56.06 | nvz | I dont really follow china's affairs too closely but I am tempted to research why they have their own secluded internet |
| 19:57.14 | aiyu | nvz: u in china? |
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| 19:57.55 | nvz | they seem to be a very productive country, but as to why they don't seem to play well with others or have much civil liberties is beyond me |
| 19:58.10 | nvz | aiyu: na, I'm in US.. which is why I'm ignorant to most world affairs |
| 19:58.25 | aiyu | ok :) |
| 19:58.41 | aiyu | my download will end soon, will it auto restart |
| 19:58.53 | nvz | doubt it |
| 19:59.13 | nvz | if you can get to broadband later it will be a quick download, its not that big |
| 19:59.14 | aiyu | nvz: heard u have mbps internet all over there, true? |
| 19:59.33 | aiyu | i have an eta of 30s now |
| 19:59.52 | nvz | aiyu: for the most part. I mean the FCC (Federal Communications Committee) has been making a lot of changes as of late to help insure such a thing. |
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| 20:00.35 | aiyu | ohh no! i didnt give su rights, will have to re run pkg |
| 20:00.43 | nvz | aiyu: that is actually why I have no internet or phone service at home at the moment, due to the FCC changes.. the company had to shut us off because of the level of signal leaking into the system from my residence causing problems for the rest of the neighborhood |
| 20:00.49 | nvz | aiyu: no big deal |
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| 20:01.16 | aiyu | is this enough now, dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.30-bpo.2-686_2.6.30-8~bpo50+2_i386.deb |
| 20:01.25 | nvz | aiyu: yes |
| 20:01.41 | aiyu | its on |
| 20:01.51 | aiyu | its done |
| 20:02.01 | aiyu | nothing happened, think i shud restart |
| 20:02.10 | nvz | well all ya gotta do now is reboot and chose the new option (should be the default one at the top) from grub |
| 20:02.22 | jhutchins_lt | or check your work with dpkg -l |
| 20:02.40 | nvz | aiyu: I guess your dialup was faster than you thought |
| 20:02.44 | aiyu | so where will my old kernel go, will it disappear |
| 20:02.45 | PrickelPit | hi, squeeze only seps my 1.66ghz cpu to 1.33 ghz, cpufreq-info shows cpu max at 1.33ghz but at /proc/cpuinfo shows 1.66ghz for the cpu but only stepped 1.33 by cpufreq, how can i disable cpufreq to get full permormance? |
| 20:02.56 | nvz | aiyu: no it will still be in the system and bootable from the grub menu |
| 20:03.11 | aiyu | nvz: yes, it just got. maybe its coz time is 2am |
| 20:03.31 | nvz | aiyu: idk about how it works there but I know the limit the FCC puts on dial up here is like 53k or something |
| 20:03.54 | aiyu | its same here, 56k |
| 20:04.15 | nvz | well they call em 56k modems, but the FCC regulation actually says 53k if I recall correctly |
| 20:04.16 | stew | for dialup? |
| 20:04.24 | aiyu | but we usually ets just 8kBps |
| 20:04.36 | stew | 33.6kbps is the theoretical limit |
| 20:04.47 | aiyu | stew:yes |
| 20:05.03 | aiyu | in my case practical was 8k |
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| 20:05.46 | aiyu | ok, i am rebooting, hope i can get back to u in my new kernel and not that windows |
| 20:06.01 | nvz | aiyu: na.. |
| 20:06.19 | nvz | aiyu: if the new one doesnt boot for whatever reason, you just try again and choose the old 2.6.26 one |
| 20:06.20 | aiyu | :) brb |
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| 20:06.27 | aiyu | ok |
| 20:06.28 | nvz | aiyu: they will both be in the menu |
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| 20:06.41 | aiyu | new one is 2.6.30 , right |
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| 20:07.02 | nvz | yeah should be at the top and selected by default |
| 20:07.08 | aiyu | ok |
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| 20:09.39 | ansu | nvz: :( |
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| 20:10.33 | ansu | Nvz: Its me, i am on my phone |
| 20:11.09 | ansu | nvz: on rebooting, x.org crashed |
| 20:11.14 | ansu | No gui now |
| 20:11.45 | Pinchiukas | Is there a command that'd show me all the installed packages? |
| 20:12.19 | ansu | nvz: ! |
| 20:12.33 | babilen | Pinchiukas: "aptitude search ~i" see the manual for other search options (like only manually installed ones) |
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| 20:12.49 | ansu | nvz: i am aiyu |
| 20:13.16 | babilen | ansu: tried with the 2.6.26 kernel as well? same symptons? |
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| 20:14.22 | nvz | ansu: ah |
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| 20:14.33 | nvz | ansu: are you in console with the new kernel then? |
| 20:14.40 | abrotman | !tell Pinchiukas about installed |
| 20:14.41 | nvz | ansu: or did you boot the old one? |
| 20:14.43 | ansu | Babilen: it works with 2.26 |
| 20:15.09 | ubuntu_ | Hello, i was turning my computer off to fast so Grub failed anyone know how to fix this without reinstalling the Whole Kubuntu System? |
| 20:15.11 | ansu | Nvz: :(, old one is available |
| 20:15.29 | nvz | that didnt really answer my question as to where you are now |
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| 20:15.50 | stew | ubuntu_: for help with kubuntu, try #kubuntu or #ubuntu |
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| 20:16.11 | aiyu | nvz: i am now at 2.26 |
| 20:16.16 | hesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:16.22 | ubuntu_ | stew: did that |
| 20:16.25 | aiyu | my old kernel, in the other one x server failed |
| 20:16.35 | abrotman | ubuntu_: ask them again, this channel is for Debian support |
| 20:16.51 | nvz | ah.. well the key was to observe if the fans worked.. you can survive a few moments without gui.. you can even get back here without it |
| 20:16.55 | aiyu | the new one went into some trouble with x server, the rest all was fine, i gues |
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| 20:17.17 | nvz | aiyu: you should install irssi so you can get on irc from the console in the new kernel |
| 20:17.19 | aiyu | i did , it didnt turn on , when i checked physically |
| 20:17.20 | jhutchins_lt | ubuntu_: There's also #grub |
| 20:17.34 | nvz | aiyu: and we'll fix whatever the problem with X is and see if the fans are working |
| 20:17.34 | aiyu | shud i restart to new kernel |
| 20:17.53 | ubuntu_ | jhutchins_lt: asked there |
| 20:18.06 | nvz | aiyu: though if you arent familiar with the command line much you may also have trouble getting online using dialup without your gui |
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| 20:18.25 | abrotman | pppconfig/pon/poff |
| 20:18.31 | nvz | aiyu: do you know how to dial out using the command line? |
| 20:18.38 | nvz | indeed |
| 20:18.39 | aiyu | nvz: regarding irc , i can mange with my phone |
| 20:18.40 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.51 | aiyu | NO :) |
| 20:18.53 | jhutchins_lt | ubuntu_: http://www.sorgonet.com/linux/grubrestore/ <= link one of 3,420,000 matches on google. |
| 20:18.54 | nvz | aiyu: yeah but cant as easily show us output of the xlog |
| 20:18.56 | jhutchins_lt | ubuntu_: Change your nic. |
| 20:19.15 | abrotman | jhutchins_lt: please go to #ubuntu if you'd like to support him |
| 20:19.18 | nvz | aiyu: how do you dialout in your gui? what program do you use? |
| 20:19.19 | aitiba | someone can help me creating a proyect on subversion please? |
| 20:19.45 | aitiba | I'm so newbie and I would like to know is my svn server is correctly installed or not |
| 20:19.49 | nvz | aiyu: gnome ppp? |
| 20:19.53 | aiyu | nvz: i can get to wifi in 5 mins |
| 20:20.24 | nvz | aiyu: well the thing is most gui apps like gnome ppp are just frontends for wvdial which is a command line program |
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| 20:20.42 | nvz | aiyu: so in text-only mode all you need to do is use wvdial.. but again, thats your call |
| 20:21.14 | aiyu | nvz: what shud i use in order to get connected through wifi |
| 20:21.32 | nvz | aiyu: iwconfig & dhclient |
| 20:21.57 | aiyu | is it hard to communicate through command line |
| 20:22.09 | nvz | aiyu: for me, my ap is "Motorola" so I'd do iwconfig essid "Motorola" to associate with the ap, then dhclient wlan0 to get the ip |
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| 20:22.29 | nvz | aiyu: if you use a wvdial frontend, then wvdial is already configured on your system |
| 20:22.36 | aiyu | so what abt encryption i use wpa |
| 20:22.46 | nvz | aiyu: and should be trivial to run from the command line |
| 20:23.42 | aiyu | nvz: so i will type iwconfig essid myap |
| 20:23.54 | aiyu | nvz: how will i tell it my passphrase |
| 20:24.09 | nvz | I'd have to look at the manpage for that, I honestly dont know off the top of my head |
| 20:24.42 | aiyu | w8, how to get to that config file, where we type the network configs, all abt eth0 and wlan0 |
| 20:24.48 | nvz | I'd try it now while you're in your gui to figure out how to get online from a terminal |
| 20:25.05 | nvz | that would be /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:25.08 | aiyu | yes |
| 20:25.11 | nvz | manpage is man 5 interfaces |
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| 20:25.41 | aiyu | wpa-ssid ap |
| 20:25.52 | aiyu | wpa-psk passphrase |
| 20:26.01 | aiyu | this is what i have, i think this will work |
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| 20:28.03 | ubuntu_ | somone know of any good repair grub live CD? |
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| 20:28.52 | nvz | ubuntu_: I like parted magic for most simple tasks. it can be strapped to a usb thumbdrive using unetbootin (unetbootin.sf.net), its small and featureful |
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| 20:29.07 | nvz | ubuntu_: you can always then chroot to your system and repair things like grub |
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| 20:36.16 | aiyu | nvz: will this help , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WPAHowTo |
| 20:36.42 | hikenboot | joltcam thanks I will look into the samba thing. |
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| 20:39.54 | nvz | aiyu: it is done using the wpasupplicant and the config file /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 20:40.14 | nvz | aiyu: you may find that this file is already configured if you are already using a wpa secured network on this system |
| 20:42.51 | aiyu | nvz: it is not there, i configured it drectly to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:43.39 | nvz | aiyu: this is the simplest example I found http://linux.icydog.net/wpa.php |
| 20:44.33 | nvz | aiyu: the dhclient -r in that example is not applicable |
| 20:45.05 | nvz | aiyu: I've never bothered with secured APs so I have no idea how to use them in any OS |
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| 20:45.50 | redax | hi |
| 20:46.03 | nvz | funny part about that is, I'm both a certified IT tech and a Linux certified tech, and I've set them up many places before.. just never actually connected to one myself |
| 20:46.15 | redax | is there any way to fix the owner/group ownership of a debian installation ? |
| 20:46.28 | nvz | haha |
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| 20:46.40 | stew | redax: restore them from your latest backup |
| 20:46.43 | nvz | redax: fubared your system eh? |
| 20:46.49 | redax | some buggy shellscript chowned the whole /var to admin :( |
| 20:46.58 | redax | yah. |
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| 20:47.08 | nvz | wow, I hate when that happens |
| 20:47.28 | nvz | thats why I never run shell scripts as root that do shit like that and if I do, I just make them show what they will do first |
| 20:47.34 | \amethyst | reinstalling the packages will fix files that come from packages, but unfortunately not everything important in /var is in a package |
| 20:47.51 | patrikf | this is what you should read on how to set up WPA in interfaces: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.Debian.gz |
| 20:47.56 | nvz | yeah you're screwed if you don't have backups |
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| 20:48.17 | nvz | aiyu: patrikf ^^ |
| 20:48.29 | nvz | if you didn't get there already |
| 20:48.34 | redax | ah. so the other way to do an ls -lR /var on a good condition installation and do a "better" shellscript to fix the ownership? |
| 20:49.00 | \amethyst | redax: that would probably mostly work |
| 20:49.11 | \amethyst | redax: you can use getfacl / setfacl to dump/restore permissions |
| 20:49.27 | \amethyst | redax: (probably easier and safer than parsing the output of ls -l) |
| 20:49.59 | nvz | redax: the point \amethyst was making is that /var contains lots of data that is site-specific depending on who uses a system that sort of data would not be "fixed" in such a scenario without a good permission retaining backup to restore |
| 20:50.10 | redax | btw. I'll kick my colleague for this |
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| 20:50.29 | nvz | redax: is he the one who ran the script or just the one who wrote it? |
| 20:50.47 | redax | he is the one who wrote |
| 20:50.53 | nvz | redax: because if you ran it, you should probably kick yourself too |
| 20:51.04 | redax | sure. |
| 20:51.06 | \amethyst | and whoever is responsible for backups :) |
| 20:51.08 | g4br13l | plzzz realtek8185 install on debiannn |
| 20:51.10 | aiyu | nvz: i cannot find my driver i am using, can it be iwlwifi |
| 20:51.52 | nvz | uh.. yeah if its an intel wireless card.. I believe that is a wifi driver for the intel cards |
| 20:51.58 | nvz | !iwlwifi |
| 20:51.59 | dpkg | iwlwifi is the new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless LAN chipsets for etchnhalf and lenny onwards. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if switching from ipw3945). See also <iwlagn> <wmaster0> <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 on irc.freenode.net. |
| 20:52.05 | nvz | indeed |
| 20:52.10 | nvz | !botsnack |
| 20:52.10 | dpkg | nvz: :) |
| 20:52.23 | g4br13l | !realtek8185 |
| 20:52.34 | nvz | g4br13l: no such luck ;) |
| 20:52.44 | g4br13l | !rtl8185 |
| 20:52.45 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux 802.11b/g wireless LAN drivers. Supports the RTL8180, RTL8185, RTL8187 and RTL8187B chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline from 2.6.23, RTL8180 and RTL8185 from 2.6.25, some RTL8187B from 2.6.27. Drivers do not require firmware from userspace. RTL8187SE not supported, ask me about <rtl8187se>. For support of 802.11n devices, ask me about <rtl8192su>, <rtl8192e>. http://wiki.debian.org/rtl818x |
| 20:52.45 | stew | g4br13l: /msg dpkg rtl8185 |
| 20:52.45 | nvz | g4br13l: is that also a wireless? |
| 20:52.48 | abrotman | g4br13l: msg the bot |
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| 20:53.20 | nvz | that one was my fault |
| 20:53.32 | nvz | demonstrating bad behavior |
| 20:53.39 | xreal | Is it possible to show, which and how much RAM modules are installed in my system? |
| 20:53.42 | nvz | hides |
| 20:53.43 | redax | \amethyst: find /var -exec getfacl {} \; > backup |
| 20:53.47 | redax | does that should work? |
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| 20:54.30 | nvz | xreal: not that I'm aware of. you can show how much total physical memory, but afaik the kernel doesnt know or care about the individual modules |
| 20:54.42 | xreal | nvz: I just found dmidecode |
| 20:54.42 | nvz | xreal: for that you need a physical exploratory |
| 20:54.46 | Bert_2 | Hi, I'm looking for a gui-frontend to syslog, preferably a gnome panel applet or tiny app |
| 20:54.50 | Bert_2 | any suggestions ? |
| 20:54.53 | nvz | xreal: interesting.. |
| 20:54.54 | \amethyst | redax: I was thinking getfacl -R /var but that should work too |
| 20:55.02 | xreal | apt-get install dmidecode |
| 20:55.07 | aiyu | nvz: i think i am good to run from terminal |
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| 20:55.10 | aiyu | :) |
| 20:55.32 | wald0 | so the freeze of squeeze is for this month ? |
| 20:55.39 | redax | aaa. the question was is it allowed to dump the whole dirtree to one backup file :D |
| 20:55.54 | redax | thanks for the help; |
| 20:56.09 | \amethyst | redax: note that getfacl will strip off leading / |
| 20:56.14 | nvz | xreal: its already installed on my system, but you are able to gather that info from what SMBIOS tells you? |
| 20:56.33 | \amethyst | redax: so when restoring you'll need to cd / first, then do setfacl --restore=/path/to/getfacl.out |
| 20:56.38 | nvz | cause personally I don't see it |
| 20:56.49 | redax | btw. a daily getfacl -R backup should be fanatastic as well :D |
| 20:57.00 | xreal | nvz: I've got 4x2 GB RAM modules ... that's what I wanted to know. |
| 20:57.09 | \amethyst | redax: a daily filesystem backup is even better :) |
| 20:57.15 | nvz | hmm.. |
| 20:57.17 | redax | yeah |
| 20:57.18 | stew | wald0: the current proposal is March 2010 |
| 20:57.19 | xreal | nvz: "free -m" only shows 3289 MB total ;-( |
| 20:57.20 | redax | rather |
| 20:57.35 | stew | xreal: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:57.36 | \amethyst | redax: using rsync or such to avoid taking too much time |
| 20:57.40 | nvz | xreal: right.. |
| 20:57.55 | nvz | aiyu: so you can do ifup wlan0 or such right now and get it to work? |
| 20:57.59 | xreal | nvz: 2.6.26-2-686 |
| 20:58.02 | redax | \amethyst: usually I have backups... not there |
| 20:58.04 | stew | xreal: what cpu do you have? |
| 20:58.19 | stew | xreal: you either need a 64 bit kerneel or a "bigmem" kernel |
| 20:58.21 | xreal | A new AMD processor ... don't know its name right now. |
| 20:58.32 | xreal | stew: I thought, I am on 64 bit? ;-( |
| 20:58.34 | aiyu | nvz: yes i think so, i followed that link well. ;) |
| 20:58.35 | nvz | xreal: cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell you that |
| 20:58.44 | stew | xreal: you should install an amd64 kernel. no, you are on 32 bit |
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| 20:58.49 | aiyu | nvz: but i am not good with irssi |
| 20:58.54 | xreal | AMD Athlon(tm) II X2 250 Processor |
| 20:59.01 | nvz | aiyu: well its easier to open a root terminal and test it now before you are in command line lost |
| 20:59.09 | aiyu | ok |
| 20:59.11 | \amethyst | xreal: cat /proc/cpuinfo will tell you what your CPU is... but 2.6.26-2-686 is a 32-bit kernel, which implies you also have a 32-bit userspace |
| 20:59.12 | wald0 | stew: for the freeze or the release ? what happened to the decision in the debconf9 about freeze it in december ? |
| 20:59.19 | stew | wald0: the freeze |
| 20:59.24 | nvz | aiyu: irssi is dead simple, IRC is a text-only protocol. so a text program is just the same |
| 20:59.27 | \amethyst | xreal: you can change to a 64-bit kernel, but changing over to a 64-bit userspace (currently) requires a reinstall |
| 20:59.33 | nvz | aiyu: just need to /server irc.freenode.net |
| 20:59.38 | stew | wald0: it was decided to delay the freeze |
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| 20:59.40 | nvz | aiyu: then /j #debian, from inside irssi |
| 20:59.45 | wald0 | stew: oh :/ ok |
| 20:59.48 | stew | wald0: ere is the most recent announcement: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html |
| 20:59.53 | wald0 | thx |
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| 21:00.03 | nvz | aiyu: you can practice that now too.. open a terminal, run irssi, try it out |
| 21:00.09 | xreal | amethyst: Oh damn ... okay, then I need to backup and reinstall. Thanks! |
| 21:00.29 | \amethyst | xreal: btw, in cpuinfo, 'flags' will contain 'lm' if your processor support 64-bit mode |
| 21:00.35 | \amethyst | I believe the athlon ii is 64-bit |
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| 21:01.02 | xreal | amethyst: yep, it does |
| 21:01.50 | nvz | aiyu: main reasons for learning this stuff is so that you aren't screwed when the GUI fails |
| 21:02.57 | \amethyst | btw, do any Linux distibutions out there have good multiarch support (as in, both 32- and 64-bit packages installed at the same time, without kludges like ia32-libs or ia32-apt-get)? |
| 21:03.01 | nvz | aiyu: I spent about a year learning to do EVERYTHING I normally do from the console. and it can all be done, including video codecs that display video and images using only text. |
| 21:03.10 | \amethyst | (and with proper dependencies) |
| 21:03.37 | nvz | I cant even imagine how you would implement such a system |
| 21:03.48 | aiyu | nvz: wow |
| 21:03.51 | stew | \amethyst: i thought redhat did, but I'm not sure |
| 21:03.55 | nvz | I realize the way its done in debian is less than ideal sometimes, but I can't think of a better way |
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| 21:03.57 | \amethyst | Solaris does it just fine |
| 21:04.10 | stew | aiui squeeze+1 will |
| 21:04.21 | \amethyst | I guess the difference is, in Solaris a package will contain both the 32- and the 64-bit binaries/libraries |
| 21:04.44 | \amethyst | (or possibly just 32-bit) |
| 21:04.54 | babilen | \amethyst: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MultiarchSpec |
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| 21:05.14 | nvz | I'd think for that to work, you'd essentially, like you said have everything twice |
| 21:05.54 | \amethyst | babilen: is that actually implemented in 9.10? |
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| 21:06.08 | nvz | which seems to be a waste for the rare cases its actually a problem |
| 21:06.48 | stew | Definition: Pending Approval ; Implementation: Deferred |
| 21:07.04 | \amethyst | nvz: well, in Debian you have some stuff installed twice, except the package names are different (libc6 vs ia32-libs, libgtk2.0-0 vs ia32-libs-gtk, etc) |
| 21:07.28 | \amethyst | nvz: which doesn't generalize very well |
| 21:07.45 | nvz | \amethyst: yeah, I noticed that. it also makes a /lib and /lib32 |
| 21:07.56 | aiyu | nvz: i am stuck somewhere in the irssi. i identified my id, then /j #debian and i am no where |
| 21:08.10 | greycat | You are now here. |
| 21:08.23 | \amethyst | nvz: having two directories is pretty much unavoidable, though the multiarch spec shows they don't have to be top-level |
| 21:08.51 | aiyu | lol |
| 21:08.53 | babilen | \amethyst: I have not followed multiarch as closely as I should have, but there is definitely a lot of work done in Debian + Ubuntu. Hit the mail archives for infos ... |
| 21:09.14 | \amethyst | (I guess strictly speaking it's not unavoidable, if you're willing to make the architecture part of the library's filename) |
| 21:09.20 | nvz | aiyu: alt+1, alt+2..etc switch windows in irssi among other commands |
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| 21:09.59 | nvz | aiyu: I use irssi even when I am using GNOME or a GUI, its by far the best IRC client out there IMHO |
| 21:10.13 | Gokee2_Extra | Hello everyone, does anyone happen to know of a way to quickly install all English language fonts in the Debian repositories? |
| 21:10.14 | \amethyst | babilen: yeah, I was following the discussions on d-d last year, but I haven't recently... I was just wondering if anyone (not necessarily a Debian derivative) had accomplished something similar. To the archives it is :) |
| 21:10.58 | aiyu | nvz: wow , now they say i am banned! |
| 21:11.14 | nvz | \amethyst: what I am getting at is that going out of your way having all that stuff for multi-arch support is rarely needed these days. there are just those few small areas where 32bit stuff hasn't caught up with the 64bit. but for the most part, you can do most everything on 64bit |
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| 21:11.39 | nvz | aiyu: I think #debian may not let you in without being identified |
| 21:11.53 | babilen | Gokee2_Extra: You mean all fonts that do not contain anything but the characters used in English? |
| 21:12.03 | \amethyst | Gokee2_Extra: there's no good automated way of telling whether a font package provides glyphs for roman characters |
| 21:12.15 | babilen | Gokee2_Extra: ^^^ |
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| 21:12.26 | nvz | aiyu: does it say +ei, in your status on irssi? |
| 21:12.45 | aiyu | nvz: no just +i |
| 21:12.52 | stew | \amethyst: http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f7/en_US/sn-ArchSpecific.html |
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| 21:13.00 | \amethyst | Gokee2_Extra: you could install all ttf-*, t1-*, xfonts-* packages, but that will give you more than you want (and there are a few cases where two fonts conflict, so you can't install *all* of them) |
| 21:13.19 | Gokee2_Extra | babilen, \amethyst No, just any font that contains English that my users might want to use. Just excluding you know packages with only other language fonts :) |
| 21:13.22 | nvz | stew: is that the case? have to be identified or it says your banned to enter here? |
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| 21:13.44 | nvz | aiyu: then you're not yet identified. |
| 21:13.45 | stew | nvz: no, that's not the case |
| 21:13.52 | \amethyst | Gokee2_Extra: you could theoretically exclude any that have a 'culture::*' tag, but even you'll get some non-Latin fonts that don't have a tag |
| 21:13.56 | stew | aiyu: if you have another client that is having trouble, can you /msg me from that client? |
| 21:14.16 | abrotman | has this been going on all day ? |
| 21:14.18 | \amethyst | e.g. ttf-dzongkha doesn't have a culture:: tag |
| 21:14.27 | \amethyst | stew: thanks |
| 21:14.42 | Gokee2_Extra | \amethyst, Hmm, ok... I guess I will go through and hand pick a bunch of fonts then |
| 21:14.51 | aiyu | nvz, must be right. i can talk in #html |
| 21:14.57 | aiyu | but not in ##php |
| 21:15.06 | aiyu | php requires me to be identified |
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| 21:15.33 | aiyu | i think its because i am logged in here |
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| 21:16.00 | stew | aiyu: can you msg me from the client having trouble? |
| 21:16.01 | \amethyst | stew: do you happen to know how conflicts are avoided? do 64-bit libraries always go into /usr/lib64 ? |
| 21:16.08 | nvz | aiyu: either way, if you are having trouble getting into #debian with irssi, stew can help you, he's an op here |
| 21:16.10 | \amethyst | stew: or do things get renamed at install time? |
| 21:16.12 | stew | \amethyst: you now know as much as I do :) |
| 21:16.18 | hochron | can anyone tell me how to install a program from a deb? |
| 21:16.19 | \amethyst | stew: ah, thanks anyway :) |
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| 21:16.28 | greycat | hochron: dpkg -i Debfile |
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| 21:16.39 | \amethyst | hochron: dpkg -i blah.deb assuming you already have the dependencies installed |
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| 21:17.04 | hochron | thanx greycat and \amethyst |
| 21:17.20 | \amethyst | hochron: there's also gdebi, which will follow dependencies and install them using apt |
| 21:17.28 | nvz | is there a way from the command line to resolve dependencies on a 3rd party package like gdebi does? |
| 21:17.29 | \amethyst | hochron: (and which has a GUI version, gdebi-gtk) |
| 21:17.42 | ansu | Stew: i dont know how to msg u from irssi |
| 21:17.44 | stew | nvz: "aptitude -f install" after dpkg -i fails |
| 21:17.57 | stew | ansu: type "/msg stew message goes here" |
| 21:18.02 | nvz | ah.. I knew that way, just seemed unelegant |
| 21:18.12 | stew | nvz: then, no |
| 21:18.45 | Gokee2_Extra | Well thanks for the information :) I have to let another user use this station... |
| 21:19.23 | ansu | Stew: did u get anything? |
| 21:19.35 | stew | ansu: yes, and I sent replies |
| 21:19.46 | stew | ansu: 1) don't irc as root 2) we don't allow "Guest*" niicks |
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| 21:22.09 | encrypttp | conntrack tools and also iptstate doesnt seems to be able to cut connections.. im on a bridge between eth0 and eth1.. any clue?\ |
| 21:22.13 | hochron | does anyone in here know how to make pie chart labels in openoffice? |
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| 21:23.09 | abrotman | there is a #openoffice.org .. but i can't imagine it's that hard |
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| 21:24.08 | nvz | blah.. damn EVDO modem just crapped on me |
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| 21:24.24 | aiyu_ | hii all |
| 21:24.26 | nvz | oh well, c'est la vie |
| 21:24.37 | nvz | hello |
| 21:24.42 | aiyu_ | nvz: i made it to irssi |
| 21:24.47 | aiyu_ | yeeeehaa |
| 21:24.49 | nvz | hah, cool |
| 21:24.56 | nvz | still on 2.6.26 though right? |
| 21:25.04 | aiyu_ | but i didnt rehersal with wifi connection |
| 21:25.09 | aiyu_ | yes |
| 21:25.48 | hochron | I can do it fine in excel, but I tell it to use the first column as labels and the chart disappears :( by googling my problem it just confirm my assumption that it cant do it :( |
| 21:25.54 | nvz | I need to make some kinda newbie meets console tutorial so people can learn to do the basics, get online, get to irc, know how to chroot rescue.. |
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| 21:26.11 | aiyu_ | nvz: i vote |
| 21:26.30 | greycat | hochron: best to ask in #openoffice.org |
| 21:26.43 | hochron | ok thanks |
| 21:27.08 | aiyu_ | nvz: the strangest thing is i dont how to disconnect from wifi. |
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| 21:27.59 | abrotman | hochron: quick look, right click on object, properties, Show values as Numbers or something like that |
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| 21:28.52 | away | how to install java on sidux please help |
| 21:29.07 | stew | ansu: please go to #sidux for help with sidux |
| 21:29.12 | stew | away: ^^ |
| 21:29.18 | stew | ansu: sorry, not you |
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| 21:29.46 | aiyu_ | np |
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| 21:30.18 | hochron | I have set it up in excel, tried to open it with OO and the labels disappear |
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| 21:30.47 | aiyu_ | nvz: how can i disconnect from wifi |
| 21:31.06 | hochron | that does not seem to accomplish what I am trying to do... I have spent 3 hours on it now |
| 21:31.40 | away | sidux chanel dont exist |
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| 21:32.03 | abrotman | away: #sidux on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:32.09 | away | debian is similar to sidux i read |
| 21:32.11 | abrotman | away: #sidux on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:32.42 | stew | away: sidux is based on debian, but we dont' support it |
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| 21:33.33 | away | i should install debian ? |
| 21:34.30 | aiyu_ | nvz: u there , shall we start ;) |
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| 21:34.33 | stew | away: changing distros seems like a drastic measure to take in order to install a single piece of software. but we're certainly fans of debian |
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| 21:35.45 | away | i dont speak english well |
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| 21:36.32 | adb | !pl |
| 21:36.33 | dpkg | polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net). Also, pl is a common extension for perl scripts and is sometimes used as an abbreviation for "packet loss". |
| 21:37.24 | away | i have hdd for linux 4 GB is it enough for debian ? |
| 21:38.16 | \amethyst | away: yeah---you can even fit a good amount of GNOME in 4 GiB |
| 21:38.24 | away | i install debian fedora ubuntu mandriva and anyone was good for me |
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| 21:38.33 | \amethyst | I'm not sure about a full GNOME install, though |
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| 21:38.55 | away | i thing that i should buy windows 7 |
| 21:39.08 | away | think* |
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| 21:39.21 | \amethyst | you might have problems getting Windows 7 to fit in 4GiB |
| 21:39.24 | Pinchiukas | Why is 'at' or 'bc' part of the base system? |
| 21:39.25 | \amethyst | not sure though |
| 21:39.28 | abrotman | away: this channel is still for supporting Debian |
| 21:39.39 | \amethyst | Pinchiukas: they're both standard Posix utilities |
| 21:39.41 | away | i have windows xp on hdd 250 GB |
| 21:39.44 | greycat | because they are standard unix commands that you expect to have |
| 21:40.02 | \amethyst | Pinchiukas: and both very small |
| 21:40.08 | Pinchiukas | \amethyst: "standard Posix utilities"? Does Posix define "standard utilities"? |
| 21:40.23 | greycat | absolutely. |
| 21:40.36 | abrotman | away: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 21:40.43 | \amethyst | Pinchiukas: yes http://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/idx/utilities.html |
| 21:41.05 | away | if debian is for me ? ;-) |
| 21:41.10 | greycat | try it and see. |
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| 21:41.32 | \amethyst | Pinchiukas: (some of those, like c99, are optional, but at and bc are not) |
| 21:41.55 | stew | Pinchiukas: neither are part of the base system |
| 21:42.11 | away | for me www broser kadu and java is enough |
| 21:42.12 | \amethyst | oh |
| 21:42.19 | stew | they are both Priority: standard |
| 21:42.29 | Pinchiukas | stew: well they got installed with the base system. |
| 21:42.30 | away | but i have problem to install it |
| 21:42.33 | \amethyst | Pinchiukas: also, what stew said... they're priority standard, not required |
| 21:42.44 | stew | Pinchiukas: yeah, they would be if you installed a standard system |
| 21:42.58 | Pinchiukas | What other systems are there? |
| 21:43.00 | away | since year |
| 21:43.07 | stew | Pinchiukas: what do you mean by systems? |
| 21:43.15 | stew | oh |
| 21:43.18 | Pinchiukas | As opposed to "a standard system". |
| 21:43.24 | loXx | anyone using debdelta for updates? |
| 21:43.25 | stew | Pinchiukas: you selected "standard system" from tasksel |
| 21:43.25 | g4br13l | xd |
| 21:43.32 | stew | Pinchiukas: you could have not selected "standard system" |
| 21:43.33 | Pinchiukas | stew: I might have. :) |
| 21:43.37 | Pinchiukas | Oh... |
| 21:43.37 | abrotman | away: do you need to know where to get the installation media? |
| 21:43.39 | g4br13l | rtl8185 installed. |
| 21:43.39 | Pinchiukas | Darn. |
| 21:43.46 | Pinchiukas | stew: can I somehow remove it now? |
| 21:43.52 | stew | Pinchiukas: aptitude remove packagename |
| 21:44.03 | \amethyst | stew: do you get the option not to do so if you don't select expert install? |
| 21:44.04 | Pinchiukas | What's the standard system package called? :) |
| 21:44.08 | stew | Pinchiukas: or tasksel remove standard |
| 21:44.16 | \amethyst | stew: I haven't done a non-expert install in a long time |
| 21:44.24 | stew | \amethyst: i haven't done an install in a long time |
| 21:44.34 | \amethyst | s/non-expert/non-expert, non-debootstrap/ |
| 21:44.45 | away | i find on internet file tar.gz/bin/rpm/deb and i have problem to install it |
| 21:45.01 | away | i try with apt also |
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| 21:45.15 | away | and not work |
| 21:45.16 | Pinchiukas | Debians package management seems a bit eclectic after Gentoo. :/ |
| 21:45.34 | away | i read and read and no progres |
| 21:45.54 | stew | away: you should ask in #sidux on irc.oftc.net |
| 21:46.24 | away | i install on debian also |
| 21:46.40 | away | lease tel me how to install java on debian |
| 21:46.42 | stew | away: what is the error you are getting? |
| 21:46.45 | away | please* |
| 21:46.52 | away | tell |
| 21:46.52 | stew | away: what version of debian are you running? |
| 21:47.00 | greycat | away: apt-get install sun-java6-jre |
| 21:47.22 | \amethyst | you might first need to do: |
| 21:47.24 | \amethyst | !non-free |
| 21:47.24 | dpkg | from memory, non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 21:47.34 | greycat | away: but you may have to edit your sources.list first... yeah, that. |
| 21:48.21 | away | Couldn't find package sun-java6-jre |
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| 21:48.58 | greycat | !non-free sources |
| 21:48.58 | dpkg | i heard non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>. |
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| 21:51.53 | away | what is the source.list ? |
| 21:52.02 | greycat | away: right where dpkg said it is. |
| 21:52.12 | stew | away: "man sources.list" |
| 21:52.44 | nvz | aiyu_: ah.. yeah I'm here |
| 21:53.00 | nvz | aiyu_: I was debating what to eat and fooling around on facebook |
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| 21:53.22 | nvz | aiyu_: ranting about imitation italian cuisine |
| 21:54.05 | away | how edit this file ? |
| 21:54.25 | away | that write in this file |
| 21:54.30 | away | what* |
| 21:54.45 | nvz | nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:54.50 | aiyu | nvz: pasta, u like it |
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| 21:54.57 | Asflum | hola |
| 21:54.58 | Asflum | alguien |
| 21:55.00 | Asflum | esta aqui |
| 21:55.03 | away | i will be very happy if i install it |
| 21:55.06 | Asflum | responda |
| 21:55.16 | nvz | aiyu: yeah when it tastes good.. that crap I just ate was not good. it was worse than the olive garden. |
| 21:55.20 | Asflum | who speak spanish? |
| 21:55.25 | babilen | !tell Asflum -about es |
| 21:55.26 | nvz | !es |
| 21:55.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:55.31 | aiyu | nvz: lol |
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| 21:55.38 | away | i think you can help me |
| 21:55.52 | nvz | I do, but I'm not gonna tell you that, because I don't feel like supporting debian in anything but english |
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| 21:56.23 | aiyu | nvz: got into a prob iwlwifi doesnt work in place of driver, in wpa_supplicant command |
| 21:56.47 | nvz | hmm |
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| 21:57.51 | aiyu | nvz: how can i find what driver is used now |
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| 21:58.26 | nvz | aiyu: do you know the interface name? |
| 21:58.38 | aiyu | wlan0 |
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| 21:58.39 | away | bye |
| 21:59.00 | nvz | aiyu: because you can probably work backwards from that.. dmesg | grep wlan0 |
| 21:59.35 | aiyu | i got something, but i cant interpret it. |
| 21:59.59 | aiyu | [ 17.480987] wlan0: Initial auth_alg=0 |
| 21:59.59 | aiyu | [ 17.480993] wlan0: authenticate with AP 00:08:5c:ec:99:ae |
| 21:59.59 | aiyu | [ 17.493932] wlan0: RX authentication from 00:08:5c:ec:99:ae (alg=0 transaction=2 status=0) |
| 21:59.59 | aiyu | [ 17.493932] wlan0: authenticated |
| 21:59.59 | aiyu | [ 17.493932] wlan0: associate with AP 00:08:5c:ec:99:ae |
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| 22:00.14 | nvz | that, and even cat /var/log/dmesg | grep wlan0 returned nothing for me |
| 22:00.15 | aiyu_ | ohh no |
| 22:00.20 | aiyu_ | they kicked me :( |
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| 22:00.32 | nvz | aiyu_: haha, the eggdrop bot does that automatically |
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| 22:00.48 | nvz | aiyu_: you have to paste in paste.debian.net |
| 22:00.48 | greycat | aiyu_: /msg dpkg paste |
| 22:00.51 | aiyu_ | i got three instances at the same time,:) |
| 22:00.54 | nvz | aiyu_: cannot flood this channel |
| 22:01.45 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 22:02.00 | aiyu_ | nvz: how will i get in |
| 22:02.38 | nvz | aiyu_: a kick is only to stop you from flooding, its not a ban |
| 22:02.50 | aiyu_ | i cannot post anything |
| 22:03.00 | nvz | aiyu_: you need to paste your stuff at http://paste.debian.net/ |
| 22:03.02 | jhutchins_lt | aiyu_: So you're getting your wireless connection, what seems to be the problem? |
| 22:03.08 | nvz | aiyu_: it will give you a link to the paste |
| 22:03.27 | aiyu_ | jhutchins_lt: i need to get my driver name |
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| 22:04.07 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: his big issue is leaving him not having X with his new kernel, and I was trying to get him familiar with connecting to the internet and getting on irc from command line so we can resolve these kinds of issues in the future |
| 22:04.32 | themill | !which ethernet module |
| 22:04.32 | dpkg | To find out what kernel modules your cards are using, look in dmesg, ask me about <which module for 0200>, use "ethtool --driver eth0", or "readlink /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver" or run: for i in `lspci | grep -i net| cut -f1 -d\ ` ; do readlink "/sys/bus/pci/devices/0000:$i/driver"; done | awk -F/ '{print $8}' |
| 22:04.34 | abrotman | all day .... |
| 22:04.35 | aiyu_ | nods |
| 22:04.38 | jhutchins_lt | nvz: So he's getting a wifi link, driver issues should now be resolved, time to run dhclient, right? |
| 22:05.12 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: needs to know how to connect to a wpa secured network from command line, trying to follow a wpa supplicant tutorial |
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| 22:05.44 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know what user skype works as so that I can add it to group audio for alsa ? |
| 22:06.05 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Runs as the user who launched, dunnit? |
| 22:06.27 | nvz | jhutchins_lt: he's saying the wpasupplicant is not accepting iwlwifi as his driver name, and isnt sure thats even the driver he's using |
| 22:06.35 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: dunno - that's why I'm asking, but it's telling me there's a problem with playback.. |
| 22:06.37 | aiyu_ | yes |
| 22:06.38 | Jemt | Hello. How do I search a folder and all its subfolders (recursively) after a file with a filename contaning "DS" - or any other search string ? |
| 22:06.49 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Disable pulseaudio? |
| 22:06.53 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Just a wag. |
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| 22:07.03 | jpinx-eeepc | wag ? |
| 22:07.17 | jhutchins_lt | Wild Amateur Guess |
| 22:07.34 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - what's pulseaudio? |
| 22:07.37 | nvz | aiyu_: in all honesty your log for X is probably archived and can be solved from here, I was just going to have you use wvdial which was likely already configured to do it from you console on the other kernel |
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| 22:08.11 | aiyu_ | nvz: we dont need dialup anymore, i have wifi now |
| 22:08.30 | nils__ | hi, i updated libwebkit from version 1.0.2 to 1.1.17-2 some days ago and now i cannot view pdf-files in epiphany anymore. i just get a gray screen. does anyone else have this problem too? |
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| 22:08.34 | nvz | aiyu_: yeah but you don't know how to use it without a gui |
| 22:08.35 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: A solution to a problem very few people have that breaks lots more people's sound and is included/enabled by default. |
| 22:08.47 | jmgv | one quick question. If I have lenny but I want to have testing... after changing the sources.list, should I do apt-get update; apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade;? |
| 22:09.06 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: ha! ok - how to turn that off? |
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| 22:09.29 | babilen | !tell jmgv -about lenny->squeeze |
| 22:09.34 | jpinx-eeepc | jmgv: if you have to ask that maybe you should stay with stable ;) |
| 22:09.37 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: kcontrol in kde, no clue in gnome. |
| 22:09.43 | nvz | aiyu_: and you're gonna have to keep hopping back and forth if you can't get X loaded or wifi loaded. The X I can solve, the wifi + wpa I don't know anything about and can't test it because I don't have anything to do that with. |
| 22:09.45 | babilen | jmgv: also read the release notes, they contain valuable advice |
| 22:09.55 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: I have neither - commandline here ;) |
| 22:10.04 | nvz | only device I have around here that even supports wpa, I don't have a power cord for |
| 22:10.08 | jmgv | well, testing is quite stable |
| 22:10.14 | jmgv | and I need newer versions |
| 22:10.26 | babilen | !tell jmgv -about bpo |
| 22:10.27 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Hm. Alsa working? More on pulse: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/FAQ |
| 22:10.31 | jmgv | i cant not use what is in stable, but I want to use debian instead ubuntu or similar |
| 22:10.33 | jpinx-eeepc | jmgv: squeeze was badly broken last week ;) |
| 22:10.37 | babilen | jmgv: bpo might cure your sns |
| 22:10.38 | aiyu_ | nvz: then i wil temporary take away the encryption |
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| 22:10.48 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: okidoki |
| 22:10.49 | aiyu_ | nvz: i will make it open |
| 22:10.49 | jmgv | but squeeze is testing? |
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| 22:11.06 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: Disabling pulseaudio is quick, easy, and often fixes sound problems, but I have no idea what the actual issue is. Need to check with Skype what they support in a console environment. |
| 22:11.07 | quaglia77 | hi |
| 22:11.09 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: What was the issue? |
| 22:11.15 | quaglia77 | !list |
| 22:11.15 | dpkg | quaglia77: VATTENE VIA |
| 22:11.39 | jmgv | i have been arround debian sin 1.2, but I had to stop of using is for a couple or years.. i dont know if things have changed or not, that is why i am asking, but.. okey.. i will read tutorial or move to another one... thanks a lot |
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| 22:11.55 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: skype giving me an error "Problem with audio playback" |
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| 22:12.48 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: Ah, yeah. I had to remove pulseaudio on a friends computer to get around that and also preload some libraries (that was on amd64 though) |
| 22:13.00 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: but alsa working oterwise |
| 22:13.42 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: odd since it was working - somthing must have triggered pulse audio. ANy idea how to disable it quickly on the cl ? |
| 22:13.44 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: yes, it should work with alsa. Try starting it from the command line. (evening btw, long time no see) |
| 22:13.45 | paissad-hp | i would like to build a new kernel containing also the nvidia drivers from the source .. (a build of both in order to get one .deb package) |
| 22:14.04 | jhutchins_lt | jpinx-eeepc: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=34736 |
| 22:14.21 | paissad-hp | when i use make-kpkg --options i create the kernel i want .... but i would like it to contains nvidia drivers too |
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| 22:14.27 | paissad-hp | how should i proceed |
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| 22:15.50 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: I just removed everything pulseaudio related (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype) |
| 22:16.01 | nvz | paissad-hp: thats an interesting question I don't have an answer to. I don't think its possible considering the lisc and method of installing nvidia drivers. |
| 22:16.29 | nvz | paissad-hp: even if it were, it would taint your package system the same as just running the nvidia binary after installing your kernel package |
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| 22:17.23 | ansu | nvz: how was it to connect to wifi without wpa. The normal open way! |
| 22:17.26 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: Is this on amd64 ? |
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| 22:18.01 | solars | hey, regarding partition type, whats currently the best way to share a partition for linux + win? fat32? |
| 22:18.09 | nvz | ansu: just iwconfig essid "linksys" && dhclient wlan0 |
| 22:18.17 | nvz | ansu: replace linksys with your network name |
| 22:18.24 | nvz | ansu: erm |
| 22:18.24 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: If it is, there are some PA libraries in the *32 packages, you'll have to move these libraries out of the way too (can't recall their names) |
| 22:18.38 | nvz | ansu: iwconfig wlan0 essid "linksys" && dhclient wlan0 |
| 22:18.49 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: no - it's a eeepc701 -- btw i'm in NZ now :) |
| 22:18.52 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: But there might be a better fix for that right now ... |
| 22:19.19 | nvz | I actually have been writing a shell script for all this, I haven't gotten to doing encrypted stuff yet.. its still in very early development |
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| 22:19.25 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: Not sure if that applies to non-amd64 as well ... |
| 22:19.29 | chance2105 | solars: depends on your definition of best. |
| 22:19.33 | jhutchins_lt | solars: Ja, vfat. |
| 22:19.52 | chance2105 | solars: fat32 = defaut good. ntfs = works with ntfs3g |
| 22:20.24 | solars | k |
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| 22:20.42 | g4br13l | localhost:/home/gabriel# iwconfig wlan0 key "12345anderson" |
| 22:20.43 | g4br13l | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.45 | g4br13l | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.19 | jhutchins_lt | g4br13l: Check your iwconfig manpage, you need to tell it you're using ascii. |
| 22:21.49 | g4br13l | ? |
| 22:21.52 | g4br13l | wht metod ? |
| 22:22.41 | jhutchins_lt | g4br13l: Don't remember, that's why I suggested the manpage. |
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| 22:25.34 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: ps -e | grep pulseaudio shows nothing running |
| 22:25.43 | ansu | Nvz: is there any other way, it doesnt work, it shows sleeping after 7 attempts |
| 22:26.16 | nvz | I'm working on a script to replace both command-line and graphical methods of doing wifi, and so far it works well, but doesnt support anything but open dhcp networks yet.. I haven't worked on it in a few days. but the first 3 days yeilded much results |
| 22:26.29 | nvz | ansu: no, does your network use dhcp? |
| 22:26.51 | nvz | ansu: if it doesnt use dhcp, then thats the problem |
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| 22:27.03 | nvz | the command I gave you was for dhcp |
| 22:27.11 | g4br13l | heyh |
| 22:27.18 | g4br13l | wht access manpage>? |
| 22:27.31 | ansu | Yes, its dhcp |
| 22:28.08 | jpinx-eeepc | jhutchins_lt: that page makes no mention of skype :( |
| 22:29.13 | jhutchins_lt | Hm. Came up in a google search. eeepc is probably going to be more useful than debian in this. |
| 22:29.55 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: Well, it could have been te culprit. |
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| 22:30.57 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: starting skype from the cl gives me repeating errors - here's a sample http://pastebin.com/d1fadfe37 |
| 22:32.02 | nvz | ansu: wget -O ziw "http://paste.debian.net/54640/download/54640" && chmod 700 ziw |
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| 22:32.18 | nvz | ansu: this is the latest revision of the script I'm working on.. its for wifi control. |
| 22:32.41 | nvz | ansu: ./ziw reset && ./ziw connect linksys |
| 22:32.54 | nvz | ansu: where linksys is your network name will solve this problem |
| 22:33.06 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: is that 2.0 or <2.0 ? |
| 22:33.16 | nvz | ansu: though actually you have to edit the first line and change the driver from at5k to your driver |
| 22:33.22 | nvz | ansu: for the reset to work |
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| 22:33.33 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: skype-debian_2.0.0.72-1_i386 |
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| 22:34.00 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: which architecture? x86? |
| 22:34.10 | nvz | ansu: I should have done that for ya.. heh. but we never really figured out your driver, and I haven't wrote the detection yet in that script |
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| 22:34.33 | nvz | ansu: but thats the only way I know to make connection any easier is by using a script like that |
| 22:35.25 | stew | ansu: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:35.43 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: 900 MHz Intel Celeron-M ULV 353,[97] clocked at 630 MHz (70 MHz x 9) |
| 22:35.58 | nvz | he just said dhclient failed |
| 22:36.01 | ansu | stew: i am trying to connect to internet through terminal, my wifi is wpa |
| 22:36.11 | nvz | likely because the association failed |
| 22:36.16 | stew | ansu: using what version of debian? |
| 22:36.41 | nvz | happens in 90% of the drivers, which is one of a many reasons I'm writing this script in the first place |
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| 22:37.10 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: Not sure about that actually. I guess you have to hit the skype forums. |
| 22:37.53 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: very odd as it was working fine till the last update/grade :/ |
| 22:38.31 | Jemt | What command do I need to perform the following action? findFile . --resursive *Search*.ext |
| 22:38.42 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: That's weird. Stable? |
| 22:38.54 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: or testing? |
| 22:39.05 | Jemt | What I want is search the current folder recursively after files containing Search and with the file extension "ext" |
| 22:39.31 | stew | Jemt: find -name '*Search*.ext' |
| 22:39.47 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: If testing or unstable -> try the ubuntu packages. I guess they are tailored towards newer versions of the libraries. But I guess that this discussion on skype is drifting into OT regions here. |
| 22:39.58 | Jemt | Oh, there it's recursive per default ? Great :) |
| 22:40.00 | Jemt | Thanks, stew |
| 22:41.09 | nvz | gotta change all those damn string functions to regexes too.. just was using cut and tr and stuff cause I felt it was easier for non-programmers to understand and I was originally designing it as a zenity example but now its become more of a mission to wrap all wifi functions on either command line or GUI, and I will probably end up redoing it in python once its all said and done. |
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| 22:41.43 | stew | nvz: why not just use wicd |
| 22:41.48 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: stable |
| 22:41.49 | craigevil | nvz: take a look at the sidux package ceni, its a cli/ncurses script |
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| 22:42.09 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: hmm, you mean the last skype update or Debian update? |
| 22:42.23 | ansu | stew: i am using debian lenny |
| 22:42.38 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: sorry, out of ideas ... |
| 22:42.43 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: it's the .deb downloaded from skype.com and dpkg -i 'd |
| 22:42.50 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: sure |
| 22:42.55 | nvz | I just looked around at crappy programs like wifi radar, and the fact that half the drivers out there cannot associate until they are "reset" first, you have to ifconfig 0.0.0.0 or dhclient them before you iwconfig or they will say the device isn't ready.. etc |
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| 22:43.22 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: I tried both versions available (one is beta) |
| 22:43.37 | nvz | there are lots of little hacks that have to be done, then there are all these other things people like to do, like hack secured aps and whatever.. and there needs to be a simple extensible script that allows you to do everything that is wifi related |
| 22:43.47 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: this is the "stable" skype and I am running lenny |
| 22:43.48 | joshritger | can anyone tell me how to get the the restart and shutdown option to not be greyed out when using lenny and xfce? |
| 22:44.00 | ansu | nvz: is there any way to find the driver name used for wap_supplicant |
| 22:44.11 | Tobsan | It says on the wiki that I may use backports to upgrade to kernel-2.6.29 (or later), but I am unable to find it in the repo after added backports to synaptic. Any clues? |
| 22:44.13 | craigevil | joshritger: make sure you are in the powerdev group |
| 22:44.34 | nvz | ansu: there are countless ways, if I had decided the best, I would have that function in my script already.. heh |
| 22:44.36 | joshritger | craigevil: how do I do that? or where? |
| 22:44.44 | babilen | jpinx-eeepc: If it worked with <2.0, I guess the culprit is pulseaudio. But I am not sure how to fix that. Removing PA (installed with the *32 packages) on my friends system solved a comparable issue. |
| 22:45.02 | stew | ansu: are you assiciating with the AP? |
| 22:45.03 | ansu | nvz: which function? |
| 22:45.06 | stew | ansu: associating* |
| 22:45.12 | babilen | !tell Tobsan -about bpo |
| 22:45.16 | ansu | Stew: yes |
| 22:45.21 | stew | ansu: how do yo uknow? |
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| 22:46.08 | ansu | I also have the gui thing, i looked into it.it shows strength |
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| 22:46.18 | jpinx-eeepc | babilen: dpkg -l | grep pulseaudio returns nothing - so no pulse audio seems to be installed ? or>...? |
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| 22:46.34 | yaaar | howdy |
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| 22:46.38 | babilen | Tobsan: Ah, sorry ... it should be linux-image-yadda-yadda. Does aptitude know about it? Could you paste the output of 'apt-cache policy' |
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| 22:46.50 | craigevil | skype works ok with pulse just takes afew tweaks> http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=469971 |
| 22:46.59 | yaaar | somebody sent a ridiculous quantity of mail through my debian postfix server and managed to completely hang it. Now that I've brought it back up I can see I have 4GB in /var/spool/postfix, 2.7GB of which is in the active queue. I thought I could just wait and it would deliver these queued messages, but it's been a few hours now with no change. i tried 'postqueue -f' as well but that doesn't... |
| 22:47.01 | yaaar | ...seem to have had any effect... |
| 22:47.10 | Tobsan | babilen: It knows about those, but no version higher than 2.6.26 |
| 22:47.17 | yaaar | anybody know how i can get it to start actually delivering those messages? |
| 22:47.18 | ansu | stew: my basic problem is my fan wont turn on. |
| 22:47.39 | jpinx-eeepc | craigevil: thanks - reading.... |
| 22:47.41 | stew | wpa_supplicant won't help with that |
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| 22:48.52 | ansu | we were trying to install a different kernel. |
| 22:49.11 | babilen | Tobsan: Which architecture? |
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| 22:50.02 | abrotman | Tobsan: if you `apt-cache search bpo` .. do you see anything? have oyu tried `aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-686` or whatever the arch is |
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| 22:50.18 | Tobsan | babilen: http://pastebin.com/f74a5aee1 output of apt-cache policy. My arch is amd64 |
| 22:50.23 | foo | I use google hosted for my e-mail on a server... and when I send e-mail to me@mydomain.com (when I'm on the system that hosts mydomain.com) ... it never hits my gmail account (partly because I'm on the system that hosts that website). Any tips on this? Does that make sense? |
| 22:50.51 | abrotman | Tobsan: aptitude -t lenny-backports install linux-image-amd64 |
| 22:50.52 | babilen | Tobsan: Then try "aptitude install -t lenny-backports linux-image-2.6-amd64" |
| 22:51.06 | Tobsan | I'll try that, thanks! |
| 22:51.09 | joshritger | is there a gui or app to install that I can use to modify user priveledges |
| 22:51.09 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/linux-image-2.6-amd64 .. it does exist |
| 22:51.11 | nvz | wicd-curses would be great for him, but I don't see it in lenny |
| 22:51.40 | stew | its in backports |
| 22:51.45 | babilen | Tobsan: You have to install packages from bpo explicitly .. |
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| 22:53.12 | Tobsan | babilen: alright... |
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| 22:55.49 | Tobsan | babilen, abrotman i tried the -t stuff, it did install something... linux-image-amd64_2.6.26+17+lenny1_amd64.deb |
| 22:56.16 | abrotman | paste the command you used, and the output in a pastebin |
| 22:56.29 | abrotman | Tobsan: uh .. etch-backports on lenny ? really? |
| 22:57.20 | Tobsan | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m56f7ea65 |
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| 22:57.41 | abrotman | Tobsan: uh .. etch-backports on lenny ? really? |
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| 22:57.49 | zmitya | hi all |
| 22:58.12 | Tobsan | abrotman: what do you mean? The computer is running lenny atleast |
| 22:58.15 | zmitya | guys, when I issue a "ldd /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd" I get: not a "dynamic executable" |
| 22:58.18 | zmitya | why ??? |
| 22:58.26 | zmitya | it is on a 64 bit lenny |
| 22:58.31 | abrotman | Tobsan: see your sources.list .. which one of those things doesn't belong ? |
| 22:59.41 | Tobsan | abrotman: this is what I added to sources.list: deb http://www.backports.org/debian/ etch-backports main contrib non-free |
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| 22:59.56 | abrotman | Tobsan: uh .. etch-backports on lenny ? really? |
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| 23:00.08 | abrotman | Tobsan: do you understand the difference between etch and lenny ? |
| 23:00.32 | Tobsan | they are different releases of debian, right? etch was 4.x lenny is 5.x? |
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| 23:00.59 | Tobsan | So i should change to lenny-backports if there is such a thing |
| 23:01.24 | ansu | is there anything called laptop mode? |
| 23:02.34 | Tobsan | abrotman: now it works. Thanks for the help :) |
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| 23:03.15 | g4br13l | i have problems |
| 23:03.17 | g4br13l | you have xmodmap for abnt2 ? |
| 23:03.43 | ansu | nvz, i managed to connect thru terminal, but it has a small problem, it gets disconnected and shows some error in terminal |
| 23:06.59 | ansu | i am getting invalid EAPOL-key MIC when using TPTK |
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| 23:07.31 | SNow | how to find out the .txt file encoding? |
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| 23:08.22 | jaggz | How do I add the management of these newer packages to debian? http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_3.5.6-1_i386.deb |
| 23:08.52 | jaggz | since I'm at 5 and am dealing with, for example, iceweasel 3.0.x but need to go to 3.5.x |
| 23:09.07 | Tobsan | Now, I somehow managed to delete the network-app from the notification area, is there an easy way to bring it back? I didnt find it in the "add to panel" stuff |
| 23:09.30 | jaggz | tries adding unstable to his sources |
| 23:09.34 | SNow | anyone have an idea how to find out the encoding of .txt file? |
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| 23:10.07 | jaggz | http://chardet.feedparser.org/ |
| 23:10.59 | themill | SNow: "file foobar.txt" but it's is necessarily imperfect |
| 23:11.13 | zmitya | guys, when I issue a "ldd /usr/local/apache/bin/httpd" I get: not a "dynamic executable" |
| 23:11.22 | zmitya | its a 64bit lenny |
| 23:11.26 | zmitya | why od I get this ? |
| 23:12.53 | babilen | Tobsan: Alt+F2 -> nm-applet |
| 23:12.59 | amoe | Hello, I have some subtitled films that I watch in totem. Sometimes there are several subtitles present within the same section of the film. Is it possible to see both subtitles simultaneously? At the moment the second subtitle is not displayed at all. |
| 23:13.00 | jaggz | yeah this doesn't work.. !squeeze |
| 23:13.03 | jaggz | !squeeze |
| 23:13.03 | dpkg | Squeeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. It is the three-eyed space alien. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html Ask me about <testing>. Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze. See also <squeeze kernel>. |
| 23:13.19 | themill | zmitya: have a look at the file and/or ask the people who made that executable for you... that's not from a debian package. |
| 23:13.26 | Tobsan | babilen: thanks, it turned out it was the "notification-area" that I had hidden :P |
| 23:13.34 | jaggz | if I would like a bit more fresh software, can I switch from lenny to squeeze? |
| 23:13.35 | zmitya | themill: sure, I compiled it |
| 23:13.37 | amoe | The files are MKV |
| 23:13.51 | jaggz | if so, how do I do that? |
| 23:14.04 | jaggz | I'd like to use iceweasel 3.5.6 |
| 23:14.04 | zmitya | one time I ran the same problem, but I can't remember what was the solution :( |
| 23:14.17 | babilen | !tell jaggz -about lenny->squeeze |
| 23:14.21 | jaggz | thanks |
| 23:14.53 | babilen | jaggz: also have a look at the release notes. They contain valuable advice for dist-upgrades. Also think twice, before you do this. |
| 23:15.02 | ansu | Nvz: i am in new kernel , i have net connection too. How can i check for fan issue solved or not |
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| 23:15.50 | themill | jaggz: if you couldn't work that one out yourself, are you ready to fix problems in squeeze? |
| 23:15.50 | jaggz | I thought only once :( |
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| 23:17.51 | zmitya | themill: got it |
| 23:17.55 | jaggz | themill, will it take less time than fiddling with old incompatible software? |
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| 23:18.08 | zmitya | that was the grsec who denied me |
| 23:18.10 | zmitya | :( |
| 23:18.16 | zmitya | spent 1 hour on this :( |
| 23:18.23 | jaggz | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/i386/release-notes/ Not Found |
| 23:18.23 | zmitya | thanks anyway |
| 23:18.35 | themill | jaggz: the words you were looking for are "well tested". Newer != better. |
| 23:18.56 | jaggz | http://www.debian.org/releases/squeeze/releasenotes |
| 23:19.01 | babilen | jaggz: I meant the lenny release notes. Squeeze has not yet been releases. A lot of things apply to *every* dist upgrade |
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| 23:19.09 | Psi-Jack | Okay. so I have two NIC's in my Debian 5 box but lspci isn't showing them. They're Realtek cards |
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| 23:19.21 | jaggz | I don't need well-tested if I can downgrade a troublesome package.. maybe. but I've been using linux for 15 years |
| 23:19.23 | aiyu | nrc:i am in terminal in new kernel, are u there? |
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| 23:19.40 | jaggz | debian only starting since etch |
| 23:19.47 | themill | jaggz: in general, you can't downgrade a troublesome package... |
| 23:19.49 | jaggz | actually, I had an ubuntu system before that |
| 23:20.03 | babilen | jaggz: I would also suggest that you seriously consider if you are able to handle a testing system. There are backports to satisfy your sns ... although no firefox 3.5 in there ... |
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| 23:20.18 | aiyu | nrz: |
| 23:20.52 | babilen | jaggz: There is just one way: Backups + the will to learn and spend time |
| 23:21.11 | jaggz | no, I'm much too involved in projects now to do that :( |
| 23:21.19 | aiyu | anybody knows how to solve my problem. i am facing problem with my fan in my dell xps m1530. |
| 23:21.21 | jaggz | I'll just install an official mozilla for now |
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| 23:21.40 | jaggz | you're scaring me into thinking testing is really unstable :) |
| 23:22.12 | themill | It can be (and has been over the last few weeks) |
| 23:22.21 | babilen | jaggz: It's not, but it's a moving target and there are certainy things that might take some time to fix once in a while |
| 23:22.40 | jaggz | the other day I downloaded several xsane dependencies of later-than-lenny version, them having some patches necessary for getting my scanner to work |
| 23:23.34 | jaggz | but I am [perhaps falsely] imagining iceweasel as having many more dependencies than I can get away with .. |
| 23:24.02 | jhutchins_lt | Firefox 3.5 is not backported to stable because (guess what?) IT'S NOT STABLE! |
| 23:24.21 | Psi-Jack | Here we go. Inspecting the chip on the NIC's, and there's two. One's an RTL-8100C and RTL-8139D - What modules would I need to load for those NIC's to be properly recognized? |
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| 23:25.13 | AimHere | IIRC, aren't there two modules related to the 8139, so you pick the one that actually works for you |
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| 23:25.28 | AimHere | Though it's been a while since I needed to configure it |
| 23:25.38 | AimHere | 8139too and 8139cp or something |
| 23:25.55 | sylence | greetings! is it possible to use kernel mode setting on debian testing or unstable with default packages now or do i need to compile stuff myself? |
| 23:26.12 | Psi-Jack | Yeah. 8139cp and 8139too, Debian's installer I believe found it as 8139too originally, and that was for the 8100C at the time cause I just added the 8139 card in. |
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| 23:26.59 | Psi-Jack | Okay, well, this boot, it immediately found the 8139 card, |
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| 23:27.05 | Psi-Jack | But not the other, hmm |
| 23:27.05 | jhutchins_lt | I know there's one Realtec 81xx card that commonly doesn't get the right driver. It gets the driver from the next or previous version, which doesn't work until fairly recent kernels. |
| 23:27.30 | jhutchins_lt | Psi-Jack: Do yo have multiple interfaces? |
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| 23:28.08 | Psi-Jack | jhutchins: 3, yes. 1 internal, Intel based, 2 pci cards, Realtek's. 8139D and 8100C |
| 23:28.33 | Psi-Jack | Showing on lsmod, 8139cp, 8139too, and e100 are loaded. |
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| 23:30.20 | lemon | hi ,any freeware can do this? |
| 23:30.22 | lemon | acroread /a search='word' *.pdf |
| 23:30.48 | lemon | if i 'd not like to use adobe reader? |
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| 23:31.48 | markit | hi, I've ssh in a host, and from that host in another one (local to it, a VM of a KVM server). Is it possible to transfer a file through that already open ssh connection? |
| 23:32.07 | markit | ssh A -> B, then B -> C, and I want to transfer a file from C to A |
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| 23:33.19 | PRO-DRIVE | hello guys , where to find debian sid download link in the website ? i can find only the testing and the stable ! |
| 23:33.24 | jaggz | aptitude -F "%c %p V:%V v:%v %d" search keyring |
| 23:33.24 | jaggz | Uncaught exception: ../../../src/cwidget/columnify.h:64: cwidget::column::column(const cwidget::column_disposition&, int, bool, bool): Assertion "_width>=0" failed. |
| 23:33.36 | jaggz | yet with disable-columns it looks awful. |
| 23:33.37 | jhutchins_lt | lemon: You may be able to find the text with grep if it's not compressed or encrypted. |
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| 23:34.16 | lemon | u mean I can grep a pdf file? |
| 23:34.20 | lemon | surprise |
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| 23:34.27 | jaggz | you can use pdftotext or whatever it's called |
| 23:34.35 | lemon | oh |
| 23:34.37 | jaggz | what do you want to do exactly? not sure what /a does .. |
| 23:34.38 | lemon | i know that |
| 23:35.11 | lemon | jaggz:i found that use via google |
| 23:35.16 | lemon | havnt tried it |
| 23:35.32 | lemon | simply would like to search in multiple pdf files |
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| 23:37.09 | lemon | cant work |
| 23:37.39 | lemon | so the only to search is doing a pdftotext? |
| 23:38.03 | icebrain | lemon: you can do "pdftotext $FILE - | grep PATTERN" |
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| 23:38.27 | lemon | after pdftotext..the document becomes a little messed |
| 23:38.30 | el_critter | hi there |
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| 23:38.38 | jaggz | that'll happen :) |
| 23:38.48 | jaggz | pdf's can be pretty funky inside |
| 23:39.04 | jaggz | (judging by what I see when editing them with pdfedit and such) |
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| 23:39.37 | jaggz | anyway, you can look into other pdf viewers like kpdf and such |
| 23:39.51 | lemon | hm..but when my using foxit under windows |
| 23:40.00 | lemon | it search all pdf in a folder |
| 23:40.09 | lemon | and list all pages |
| 23:40.28 | lemon | therefore i try to look up something like that in linux |
| 23:40.28 | el_critter | I was hired to create a debian based "recording studio" for a radio station. Basically a lot of scripts and web gui. Is there a way to create a barebones installer modified to install my customization? |
| 23:40.41 | jaggz | but otherwise you might just want something like: (for i in *.pdf; do pdftotext $i - | sed -e 's/^/$i:/'; done) | grep PATTERN |
| 23:41.06 | lemon | foxit for linux is in lack of this feature.. |
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| 23:41.32 | jaggz | ah, shows the page too.. that's nice |
| 23:42.15 | babilen | el_critter: You could either create a metapackage that pulls in your packages (and configuration) or have a look at FAI.. there are millions of other options though. What is the use case? |
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| 23:43.19 | el_critter | babilen: they are going to keep identical hardware in case of failure and they want to be able to install it to be ready to run without my assistance |
| 23:44.08 | babilen | el_critter: How many boxes? Identical install? Basically clones of a "golden" configuration? |
| 23:45.56 | el_critter | babilen: two or tree spares, identical install, IP is static and maybe they will think about using more than one of this machines at a time so the installer should ask for IP config... besides that I think they will be clones. |
| 23:46.52 | babilen | el_critter: Ok, so you basically want to freeze the configuration at a given time and be able to easily replicate that on <5 nodes? |
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| 23:47.32 | jaggz | I wrote something which handles pdf files and such.. hm |
| 23:47.43 | jaggz | using page count.. extracts them.. converts to ps |
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| 23:48.17 | el_critter | babilen: yes but install is not going to be a deployment, they want a CD to boot computer from and they want a fully running system a few clicks ahead... |
| 23:48.49 | el_critter | babilen: They want to be able to install from this CD like from debian installer CD... |
| 23:49.19 | babilen | el_critter: alright, then using something like a golden image, FAI (fully automatic install) and cfengine is not an option. |
| 23:49.56 | lemon | pdftotext $FILE - ,what does that '-' mean? |
| 23:49.59 | babilen | el_critter: Never customised an installation CD, but it is certainly possible. You might have to package some of *your* software though, so it works |
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| 23:58.40 | qwd | I believe I've found a bug. Anyone with Debian Squeeze and Iceweasel want to try it out? Go to http://packages.qa.debian.org/i/iceweasel.html and hold the mouse over one of the links to the left until a tooltip appears. Now without moving the mouse, scroll down with the mousewheel and there should be a grey box where the tooltip was. This doesn't appear when scrolling down with the keyboard, only the mousewheel. |
| 23:59.44 | streuner_ | haha, iceweasel and a bug? :-) |
