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| 00:00.07 | streuner_ | dude, firecrap is a whole bug :-P |
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| 00:00.32 | qwd | still the best browser out there imo :) |
| 00:00.36 | jaggz | okay |
| 00:01.07 | streuner_ | well, its a PITA, but most people just use it |
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| 00:02.15 | jaggz | lemon, privmsg |
| 00:02.30 | jaggz | I whipped up "pdfgrep" |
| 00:03.12 | lemon | erg |
| 00:03.14 | jaggz | it needs more joy but it works for now.. take the '-maxdepth 1' out of the find command for it to search subdirs |
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| 00:03.52 | jaggz | but it does not present the pages right now.. it only lists the file:page_number where the matches are found |
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| 00:04.23 | syrius | does debian use direct democracy or consensus with recallable delegates? |
| 00:05.30 | lemon | oh |
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| 00:06.04 | jaggz | not many programs let me jump to a page either, xpdf lets you specify a page though.. you could have this run xpdf '$f' $p |
| 00:06.12 | syrius | We need to fight ubuntu |
| 00:06.21 | syrius | they are anti democractic |
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| 00:06.30 | syrius | they are pro capitalists |
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| 00:08.32 | lemon | lists the file:page_number |
| 00:08.50 | lemon | already fit my need |
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| 00:09.35 | sigmonsays | Can I check the integrity of a .deb somehow? |
| 00:09.45 | sigmonsays | ie, print a message for files md5's who've changed since install? |
| 00:11.46 | abrotman | !tell sigmonsays about debsums |
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| 00:12.28 | sigmonsays | Thank you abrotman |
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| 00:15.24 | yuri_ | has anyone had success using a loopback or tap device as the inside interface for an ipsec vpn with OpenSwan? |
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| 00:16.58 | sigmonsays | Hrm, abrotman do I have to generate debsums prior to using it? |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | no |
| 00:17.26 | sigmonsays | gotcha. Some debs say missing |
| 00:17.50 | jaggz | lemon, remember it does not search subdirectories unless you remove -maxdepth 1 |
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| 00:18.07 | jaggz | can filenames have newlines in them? should make this into a -print0 |
| 00:18.24 | jaggz | lemon, it will fail if your file has a newline in it :) |
| 00:18.51 | paissad-hp | do you have an idea of how i can build at the same time the nvidia kernel driver or module when i use make-kpkg to buidl a kernel |
| 00:19.13 | paissad-hp | using dkms for example ? |
| 00:19.18 | nkuttler | paissad-hp: --added-modules ? |
| 00:19.22 | jaggz | http://www.voyager.com/pub/pdfgrep if anyone wants to see the joy of mixing pdfinfo for page counts with pdftotext to extract... |
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| 00:21.37 | lemon | jaggz ..yeh. |
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| 00:22.26 | lemon | bnlenny:~/tmp/tmp# pdftotext p.pdf - | grep -ci virtualbox |
| 00:22.26 | lemon | 66 |
| 00:22.32 | lemon | bnlenny:~/tmp/tmp# ./pdfgrep [Vv]irtual[Bb]ox|wc -l |
| 00:22.33 | lemon | 39 |
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| 00:26.52 | jaggz | you can edit the perl script if you want :) |
| 00:27.02 | lemon | :) |
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| 00:37.49 | la_MaaRii | hi |
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| 00:39.05 | himuraken | Good evening group, somewhat new to Debian. I am trying nvidia The Debian Way and I am failing on apt-get install nvidia-kernel-common. |
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| 00:39.18 | himuraken | apt-get is telling me that nvidia-kernel-common is not available. |
| 00:39.32 | himuraken | apt-cache shows many versions avail, ideas? |
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| 00:41.52 | poincare_ | I just installed lenny |
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| 00:42.05 | poincare_ | and I'm trying to install the program sudo |
| 00:42.23 | NoCode | How can I get notify-OSD working in Squeeze? |
| 00:42.25 | poincare_ | but, it tells me that I need to insert the CD when I do apt-get sudo. |
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| 00:42.41 | poincare_ | how can I get it so that I don't have to use the CD every time. |
| 00:42.42 | himuraken | poincare_, you need to insert CD or remove it from /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:43.03 | poincare_ | himuraken: okay. lemme go check sources.list |
| 00:43.24 | iceroot | poincare_: you dont need to install sudo, its already installed |
| 00:43.32 | jaggz | lemon, new version soon.. fixing a few bugs |
| 00:43.37 | iceroot | poincare_: ah sorry, though i were at #ubuntu |
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| 00:43.53 | himuraken | sudo installed by default on Lenny for me. |
| 00:44.25 | poincare_ | now, the problem is, it says Package sudo is not avaible but is refere.. (you know the rest) |
| 00:44.33 | poincare_ | do I need to enable universal? |
| 00:44.35 | himuraken | hrmmm. |
| 00:44.46 | himuraken | Mine is just installed by default, loaded it last night. |
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| 00:45.19 | poincare_ | hmmm... |
| 00:45.28 | poincare_ | mine isn't for whatever reason |
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| 00:45.58 | poincare_ | anyone? |
| 00:46.14 | LP | can anyone tell me how I enable DHCP on a NIC (I mean so that it's automatic after reboot)? |
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| 00:46.40 | himuraken | LP I think it is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:46.59 | gewt | auto <iface> |
| 00:47.04 | himuraken | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 00:47.06 | aixenv | LP: auto eth0 && iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 00:47.11 | aixenv | in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:47.16 | gewt | iface <iface> inet dhcp |
| 00:47.17 | aixenv | 1 per line |
| 00:47.22 | LP | thx, I forgot a detila which, maybe, doesn't matter |
| 00:47.44 | LP | it's about a virtual vlan interface (thx to vconfig), which is added by a startup script |
| 00:48.22 | poincare_ | so, anyone have a solution to my problem? I can't install anything. I'm pretty sure multiverse isn't enabled. |
| 00:48.36 | LP | (btw, this file is not even mentionning my eth0, which uses DHCP) |
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| 00:48.41 | himuraken | what does your sources.list look like? |
| 00:48.59 | himuraken | LP network manager can generate its own if I am not mistaken. |
| 00:50.18 | poincare_ | hmm.... |
| 00:50.23 | poincare_ | I can't pastebin, I can't do anything |
| 00:50.34 | poincare_ | so I'll just type out my sources.list file |
| 00:51.25 | poincare_ | # deb cdrom: [Debian GNU/Linux 5.01 _Lenny_ Official i386 CD Binary -1 20090413-00:10]/ lenny main |
| 00:51.31 | poincare_ | (same line as above over again) |
| 00:51.45 | poincare_ | deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
| 00:52.04 | poincare_ | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
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| 00:52.27 | poincare_ | deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main |
| 00:52.32 | LP | himuraken: you must be correct... I changed the interfaces file and now after reboot it's back to its previous content :) could you tell me a bit more about network manager? |
| 00:52.48 | poincare_ | deb-src http://volatile.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main |
| 00:52.52 | poincare_ | that's it |
| 00:53.38 | himuraken | LP, check somewhere in /etc/dhcp3 |
| 00:54.05 | himuraken | There is an area for prepend that I use so that dhcp3 doesnt overwrite /etc/resolv.conf. I am not sure if that applies to your issue. |
| 00:54.12 | himuraken | poincare_, seems about right.... |
| 00:54.17 | poincare_ | well? |
| 00:54.35 | himuraken | what happens if you (as root) apt-get update |
| 00:55.13 | poincare_ | lemme try |
| 00:55.34 | poincare_ | okay it does this link stuff |
| 00:55.39 | poincare_ | but same result for sudo |
| 00:55.48 | poincare_ | apt-get install sudo returns the exact same thing |
| 00:56.13 | LP | himuraken: thx... I can't find anything there related to eth0 (so I assume it's not the right place for eth0.1 ;) ) |
| 00:56.48 | LP | himuraken: maybe you'd have some google keywords? I tried several but found mostly unrelated stuff |
| 00:57.19 | poincare_ | himuraken? (sorry if I'm rusing you) |
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| 00:57.23 | jaggz | how should a command differentiate the total number of matches from each page? foo:page# or #total:foo .. |
| 00:57.24 | poincare_ | *rushing |
| 00:57.41 | jaggz | in its output that is |
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| 00:58.13 | himuraken | poincare_, no problem, just trying to fix my xserver before I fly out tomorrow. |
| 00:58.18 | jaggz | pdfgrep pattern file outputs: file:1\nfile:3 if the pattern is found on pages 1 and 3 ... however, if I add the -c option it should display the total matches per file only |
| 00:58.19 | himuraken | no movies sux on planes. |
| 00:58.42 | himuraken | poincare_, run apt-get update and paste in your results. |
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| 01:00.32 | poincare_ | himuraken: can't. I have no paste capability. |
| 01:00.39 | poincare_ | himuraken: i'm on console. |
| 01:00.43 | himuraken | ah |
| 01:00.51 | himuraken | Different box than this one eh? |
| 01:01.00 | poincare_ | yup. |
| 01:01.02 | himuraken | What is the summary of the error |
| 01:01.17 | poincare_ | apt-get update gives no error |
| 01:01.20 | himuraken | ? |
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| 01:01.26 | poincare_ | how ever, apt-get sudo gives an error |
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| 01:01.32 | himuraken | what about |
| 01:01.42 | himuraken | apt-get install sudo |
| 01:01.56 | poincare_ | that's what I meant |
| 01:01.59 | jaggz | Okay, update is available for those of you who transferred this before: |
| 01:02.09 | jaggz | http://www.voyager.com/pub/pdfgrep |
| 01:02.15 | sg | is debian more suitable for desktop or server use? |
| 01:02.29 | craigevil | both |
| 01:02.30 | jaggz | New version supports page counts, case-insensitivity, and recursion |
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| 01:02.33 | sg | i'm thinking about using it on this old home server that runs Freebsd |
| 01:02.47 | jaggz | ew freebsd..that's for geeks |
| 01:02.51 | sg | ahaha |
| 01:03.03 | jaggz | :) |
| 01:03.06 | sg | so is linux in general :) |
| 01:03.06 | himuraken | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:03.14 | jaggz | Unix is a Linux-like operating system |
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| 01:04.11 | poincare_ | himuraken: any ideas? |
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| 01:04.50 | himuraken | poincare_, none unfortunately. |
| 01:05.11 | himuraken | thinks I am about to hose my lenny box |
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| 01:05.42 | Psi-Jack | Does anyone here work with heartbeat or keepalived? |
| 01:05.51 | Psi-Jack | Or, has worked with both? |
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| 01:09.08 | Joshd1910 | i have a problem i just installed lenny and i can only stay connected for like 1min and half |
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| 01:11.20 | Joshd1910 | is anyone there/ |
| 01:11.23 | Joshd1910 | ? |
| 01:11.25 | poincare_ | yeah |
| 01:11.28 | LP | yes |
| 01:11.32 | Psi-Jack | mhmmm |
| 01:11.33 | LP | but I'm a beginner; ) |
| 01:11.38 | Joshd1910 | lol |
| 01:11.39 | Psi-Jack | But you need to be more details. |
| 01:11.42 | Psi-Jack | detailed* |
| 01:11.47 | Psi-Jack | We can't read minds. |
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| 01:12.46 | Joshd1910 | i couldnt get a connection with my router so i connect it staight to the modem and i got a connection but after a little more then a minute it always disconnects |
| 01:12.54 | poincare_ | anyone here good with apt-get? |
| 01:12.56 | poincare_ | I need help |
| 01:13.17 | Psi-Jack | What's wrong with the router? |
| 01:13.19 | poincare_ | for every package it keeps giving me the error: package <name> is not available but is .. (you know the rest) |
| 01:13.38 | Joshd1910 | nothing wrong wit it. it works for windows xp |
| 01:13.39 | poincare_ | Joshd1910: howthe heck is that related to debian? |
| 01:13.45 | poincare_ | Joshd1910: never mind |
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| 01:14.01 | Psi-Jack | Joshd1910: Then... Why can't you use it in Debian? |
| 01:14.13 | Psi-Jack | It makes 0 bit of sense that it works with one OS and not another. 0. |
| 01:14.20 | Joshd1910 | i dont no. could it be my network card? |
| 01:14.24 | Meths | Joshd1910: What happens when you configure your debian box to talk to the router? |
| 01:14.29 | Psi-Jack | It very well could be. |
| 01:14.42 | Joshd1910 | i have a cnet pro200wl |
| 01:14.59 | LP | Joshd1910: in those case, I usually try Wireshark to see what's going on... |
| 01:14.59 | Joshd1910 | where can i find a list for compatible ones? |
| 01:15.17 | Meths | poincare_: Does apt-get update appear to run correctly? |
| 01:15.26 | Gokee2_Extra | I am having problems with local domain names. I have a a bunch of computer setup in ipcop with host names ending in .local. If I do ping server.local it fails saying unknown host. If I do nslookup or dig it finds the correct name though. Any idea why dns fails to resolve using some programs? Also in firefox I can go to server.local and see the website. However things like apt-get (the server has a prox |
| 01:15.26 | Gokee2_Extra | y server) ping and ssh fail |
| 01:15.42 | Joshd1910 | yea it was working until i got disconnected |
| 01:15.48 | Joshd1910 | i was updating the list |
| 01:16.56 | poincare_ | Meths: Yes. |
| 01:17.08 | poincare_ | No |
| 01:17.23 | Joshd1910 | oh lol u werent talkin to me |
| 01:17.33 | poincare_ | Some index files failed to download they have been ignored or old ones used instead |
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| 01:17.46 | poincare_ | ITs coughing up on the CD-ROM |
| 01:17.58 | LP | Joshd1910 when you "loose connection", you can still ping the router? |
| 01:18.19 | Joshd1910 | idk havent tried cuz idk how |
| 01:18.23 | Gokee2_Extra | poincare_, Then go to /etc/apt/sources.conf and comment out the cdrom? |
| 01:18.32 | Joshd1910 | but should i download wireshark source code? |
| 01:18.41 | poincare_ | Gokee2_Extra: kay. |
| 01:18.43 | LP | try piging the router, another computer also if possible |
| 01:18.50 | LP | no, you can use a packaged one |
| 01:19.05 | Joshd1910 | well i cant get internet lol |
| 01:19.14 | Joshd1910 | im using puppy right now |
| 01:19.16 | LP | first ping :) |
| 01:20.09 | Joshd1910 | i clicked ping b4 but it said somthing bout an address |
| 01:20.11 | poincare_ | Gokee2_Extra: did you mean sources.list? |
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| 01:20.24 | LP | b4? |
| 01:20.28 | LP | ok... |
| 01:20.29 | Gokee2_Extra | poincare_, Ya sorry |
| 01:20.33 | LP | clicked? :) |
| 01:20.37 | poincare_ | Gokee2_Extra: kay. |
| 01:20.52 | Joshd1910 | well i opened network somthing in the applications |
| 01:20.55 | Gokee2_Extra | poincare_, Then try apt-get update and see what it says |
| 01:21.02 | LP | aha |
| 01:21.07 | LP | rather try Terminal |
| 01:21.15 | LP | then "ping ip_of_router" |
| 01:21.28 | Joshd1910 | um? wat would i type in the trerminal |
| 01:21.41 | poincare_ | Gokee2_Extra: does't error (apt-get update). But, sudo apt-get install gcc doesn't work. However, if I don't comment out the CD line and do apt-cdrom add then it does work |
| 01:21.41 | LP | for example |
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| 01:21.45 | LP | ping 192.168.0.01 |
| 01:21.52 | LP | depends on IP of ur router |
| 01:22.04 | Joshd1910 | i thinks thats my address too |
| 01:22.12 | Joshd1910 | but ill try it |
| 01:22.19 | jaggz | lemon, got it? |
| 01:22.23 | Joshd1910 | be back in a few |
| 01:22.23 | krzysz00 | what do i put in /etc/network/interfaces for a WEP wireless card |
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| 01:22.56 | poincare_ | Gokee2_Extra: ? |
| 01:23.03 | Gokee2_Extra | poincare_, You are installing stuff from cd then? Guess I missed that part, I always use net install after I have gotten the system up and running |
| 01:23.03 | craigevil | krzysz00: http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi |
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| 01:24.27 | poincare_ | Gokee2_Extra: I don't know what I'm doing! I'm just trying to get irssi, gcc and sudo. I've already installed the system. |
| 01:24.30 | krzysz00 | page didn't help, it only talks about WPA. |
| 01:25.08 | dvs | poincare_: you just installed the system? |
| 01:25.29 | poincare_ | dvs: yup |
| 01:25.50 | Gokee2_Extra | poincare_, Well, if I was going about it I would add a few sources, update and install. Did you have the Debian installer add sources for you or is the only thing in sources.list the cdrom? |
| 01:25.57 | krzysz00 | found it |
| 01:26.14 | dvs | poincare_: I would update my /etc/apt/sources.list to get packages from the internet |
| 01:26.53 | poincare_ | how would I do that? |
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| 01:27.12 | dvs | poincare_: with an editor (nano perhaps). |
| 01:27.28 | poincare_ | Gokee2_Extra: No, there is other stuff aside from the cdrom |
| 01:27.34 | dvs | poincare_: There's an automated way but I don't remember what it is. |
| 01:27.43 | poincare_ | dvs: apt-get update ? |
| 01:27.54 | dvs | poincare_: no, that's afterwards |
| 01:27.59 | poincare_ | dvs: what text do I put in the sources.list file? |
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| 01:28.30 | craigevil | if he didnt have the installer use the repos during install chances are they are commented out |
| 01:28.42 | dvs | poincare_: something like "deb http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free" |
| 01:28.51 | Gokee2_Extra | poincare_, Perhaps you should take a look at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ or you could pastebin your sources.list so I can see whats in it and tell you what you might want to change |
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| 01:29.24 | poincare_ | Gokee2_Extra: I can't do any pastebin-ing since the other box (with Debian) is on console only |
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| 01:30.08 | abrotman | looks at ranix_ 's fancy mask |
| 01:31.15 | Gokee2_Extra | poincare_, Well in that case look at the section http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list and make yours look about like that one |
| 01:31.54 | Gokee2_Extra | Though I just realized that doc says its out of date the sources.list looks fine |
| 01:32.27 | Gokee2_Extra | poincare_, Once you do that run apt-get update again and try installing |
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| 01:35.04 | poincare_ | yay! |
| 01:35.09 | poincare_ | thanks a lot everyone! |
| 01:35.18 | dvs | !beer me |
| 01:35.18 | dpkg | pours a quart of Gulden Drak for dvs |
| 01:35.22 | dvs | yay |
| 01:35.34 | dvs | what'd we do? |
| 01:35.43 | poincare_ | well, I looked at: |
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| 01:35.54 | poincare_ | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-sources.list |
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| 01:39.12 | Kinbote | i'm having a problem with fuse/sshfs on the latest lenny |
| 01:39.42 | Kinbote | i install fuse-utils and sshfs, but no /dev/fuse gets created, and there is no fuse kernel module accordig the modinfo and lsmod |
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| 01:40.21 | Joshd1910 | well it said unable to reach network |
| 01:40.22 | Kinbote | i'm not really sure how to proceed to fix it, i'd rather not make fuse from source |
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| 01:41.00 | Mordbrann | Kinbote, dpkg -l |grep fuse |
| 01:41.21 | poincare_ | !beer me |
| 01:41.21 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Delirium Tremens for poincare_ |
| 01:41.26 | poincare_ | lol |
| 01:41.58 | Mordbrann | Kinbote, there is a fuseiso pack and libfuse2 that may be helpful |
| 01:41.59 | dvs | hey hey hey. you have to earn that. ;-) |
| 01:42.02 | Kinbote | Mordbrann: it shows fuse-utils and libfuse2 |
| 01:43.32 | Kinbote | i keep seeing references to a package named fuse-source, but apt-cache search can't find that |
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| 01:44.01 | Mordbrann | Kinbote, do you want kernel or userspace fuse? |
| 01:44.28 | oh_noes | is it possible to use update-rc.d or something else to determine if 'something' is in "defaults"? |
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| 01:44.50 | oh_noes | I feel using ls -1 /etc/rc3.d/*something isn't ideal... |
| 01:44.53 | dhaivat | hey hey hey people |
| 01:45.07 | oh_noes | ie.... I only want to add the program to defaults startup if it doesnt exist at the moment ... |
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| 01:45.39 | Kinbote | Mordbrann: kernel would be fine, either way is fine |
| 01:45.57 | Mordbrann | Kinbote, userspace is probably easier; try the fuseiso package |
| 01:46.52 | Kinbote | Mordbrann: fuseiso appears to be for mounting disk images |
| 01:46.56 | Kinbote | i am trying to use sshfs |
| 01:47.33 | Mordbrann | ohhh, crumbs, no idea then |
| 01:47.39 | dhaivat | xchat is pretty awesome... |
| 01:47.44 | dhaivat | i'll stop trolling now |
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| 01:53.01 | Joshd1910 | i cant get a connection. i just installed lenny. can sumone help me? |
| 01:53.05 | oreo | hey everyone; i'm trying to figure out how i can get the number of stripes a certain LV partition is using. |
| 01:53.39 | abrotman | Joshd1910: need more details about your "connection" |
| 01:54.22 | Joshd1910 | well wen i connect my modem to comp. it say connect for a little over a minute then disconnectrs |
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| 01:56.50 | zl_benson | I have this MSI-7312 motherboard running a Phoenix - Award BIOS version: V1.2B1. I Googled around for backdoor passwords and they didn't work. I moved the CMOS clear jumper, as well as, removed the CMOS battery over the weekend. |
| 01:56.59 | Joshd1910 | do u need more info? |
| 01:57.00 | dhillon-v10 | hi all, hope everyone is doing good, I am trying to adopt a package but the instructions are pretty confusing. I am using Ubuntu 9.10 please help a bit here |
| 01:57.33 | zl_benson | I ran this program on Debian called cmospwd and that didn't clear it oiut. |
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| 01:57.59 | zl_benson | Is there another CMOS clearing program on Linux or Debian someone can recommend? |
| 01:58.36 | Joshd1910 | r u ther arbotman |
| 01:58.55 | abrotman | please speak english |
| 01:59.02 | Joshd1910 | lol soryr |
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| 01:59.04 | Joshd1910 | well |
| 01:59.16 | Kana-chan | http://dpaste.com/136462/plain/ uhmmmm can anyone help? |
| 01:59.25 | abrotman | zl_benson: use the jumper ? |
| 01:59.37 | zl_benson | abrotman - that didn't work. |
| 01:59.43 | markybob | remove the damn battery |
| 01:59.45 | abrotman | Kana-chan: that's not a debian kernel |
| 01:59.53 | zl_benson | That didn't work either. |
| 01:59.56 | abrotman | zl_benson: ask ##hardware |
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| 02:00.08 | markybob | you need to wait for the capacitor to empty out. it could take half a day on some motherboards |
| 02:00.09 | Joshd1910 | i thought it was my routher at first so i disconnected it and hooked straight to my modem. Then i got a connection but only for a little over a minute. then it disconnects. |
| 02:00.11 | abrotman | you may have a secondary BIOS you need to clear |
| 02:00.23 | Kana-chan | abrotman: I'm not complaining. I'm asking for suggestions. do you have any ideas? |
| 02:00.33 | abrotman | Kana-chan: does it happen with a debian kernel ? |
| 02:00.37 | zl_benson | So, no Linux programs anyone can recommend? |
| 02:00.41 | abrotman | Joshd1910: nothing in messages/syslog ? |
| 02:00.51 | Kana-chan | I don't know. I have 300 days uptime on it and I don't feel like losing it lol. |
| 02:00.58 | abrotman | that's crap .. have fun |
| 02:01.07 | Joshd1910 | idk where is that at? |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
| 02:01.19 | Kana-chan | meh |
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| 02:01.35 | Joshd1910 | will be back ima go check it k? |
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| 02:02.55 | dhillon-v10 | I am trying to adopt a package but the instructions are pretty confusing. I am using Ubuntu 9.10 please help a bit here |
| 02:03.12 | Supaplex | !tell dhillon-v10 -about ubuntu |
| 02:03.14 | markybob | dhillon-v10, no. |
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| 02:03.59 | abrotman | dhillon-v10: adopt a package in Debian or ubuntu ? |
| 02:04.13 | dhillon-v10 | markybob, alright :D I guessed this was the best place to ask on how to adapt a debian package while I am using Ubuntu |
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| 02:04.30 | markybob | dhillon-v10, nope. |
| 02:05.02 | dhillon-v10 | markybob, alright :D later |
| 02:05.03 | abrotman | he's adopting a package in Debian |
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| 02:05.10 | abrotman | dhillon-v10: have oyu contacted |
| 02:05.12 | abrotman | jackass |
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| 02:05.38 | abrotman | markybob: he was asking in the right place |
| 02:06.02 | markybob | abrotman, i disagree. i think you misunderstood |
| 02:06.14 | abrotman | markybob: no, he said he wanted to adopt a package in Debian |
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| 02:06.27 | markybob | adapt a debian package while I am using Ubuntu |
| 02:06.34 | markybob | ... |
| 02:06.41 | abrotman | yes .. he wants to maintain a Debian package .. but he's an ubuntu user |
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| 02:07.11 | abrotman | not that being an ubuntu user has anything to do with it |
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| 02:07.39 | abrotman | well, guess that's another package that won't be adopted |
| 02:08.09 | markybob | i'll get you a cookie if it'll make you feel better |
| 02:08.42 | abrotman | maybe you should adopt the package ? |
| 02:09.51 | Xenguy | It's possible the guy was bullshitting, but better to give benefit of the doubt until that is obvious IMHO |
| 02:10.11 | NiLon | how I can share some intelligence, I'm windows user? |
| 02:10.26 | Xenguy | NiLon: that's impossible! :P |
| 02:11.53 | Xenguy | j/k |
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| 02:18.43 | joshd1910 | this is in messages |
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| 02:19.23 | Xenguy | stabs BX! |
| 02:19.33 | abrotman | you're still using that ? |
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| 02:19.45 | joshd1910 | what? |
| 02:19.58 | Xenguy | abrotman: mtoroyarzo was |
| 02:20.13 | Xenguy | abrotman: every chance I get, I stab ;-) |
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| 02:20.38 | dvs | gulp |
| 02:20.58 | Xenguy | dvs: heh, there's history there, don't worry |
| 02:21.38 | joshd1910 | do u need to see my syslog? |
| 02:22.19 | ferr | is there any solution to fix the plasma-desktop crash in sid? |
| 02:24.36 | abrotman | !wud |
| 02:24.36 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 02:25.22 | joshd1910 | can u plz help me? |
| 02:25.43 | craigevil | ferr: try asking in #debian-kde |
| 02:26.00 | ferr | ok |
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| 02:30.51 | joshd1910 | can come one help me with my connection problem? |
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| 02:34.41 | g4br13l | wht ambient graphic default of Debian ? |
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| 02:34.56 | g4br13l | ??? |
| 02:35.34 | abrotman | what kind of question is that ? |
| 02:36.01 | g4br13l | wht default ambiente , installation ? |
| 02:36.20 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:36.21 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 02:39.35 | dHL_ | hey I had a server daemon running in terminal and by accident hit ctrl-z ... anyone know how i can resume it or kill it? I've tried killing the PID but it won't seem to dissapear from the process list. |
| 02:39.55 | dHL_ | and i'm not sure if if can be resumed somehow |
| 02:40.01 | NiLon | try fg |
| 02:40.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can't resume it after already killing it, though |
| 02:41.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | you probably will want to have a look at "man bash" -> search for JOB CONTROL |
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| 02:43.32 | Mordbrann | dHL_, fg maybe? |
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| 02:45.29 | NegroFecal | Tired of negroes and their monkeyshines? |
| 02:45.37 | NegroFecal | Join us at http://www.chimpout.com/forum |
| 02:45.47 | NegroFecal | At chimpout we welcome anybody who isn't a nigger! |
| 02:45.55 | NegroFecal | Join us today at Chimpout Forum! |
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| 02:49.44 | joshd1910 | can sumone help me? |
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| 03:02.06 | dHL_ | i've got this program i launch from the terminal but everytime i close the xterm the program basically dies with it. any idea on how to make it run without the need of the terminal open? |
| 03:02.27 | dHL_ | i've tried bg with & but that still doesn't seem to work |
| 03:02.28 | par | screen |
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| 03:04.13 | icebrain | if the app is graphical, you can just do "disown" before closing the terminal |
| 03:05.34 | dHL_ | it's not graphical it's just a teamspeak server daemon |
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| 03:06.15 | icebrain | dHL_: then follow par's advice and use screen |
| 03:06.32 | abrotman | screen or nohup |
| 03:06.40 | dHL_ | will tru |
| 03:06.43 | dHL_ | try |
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| 03:10.54 | contrains | Hello. :) I updated to Debian Squeeze and a few things broke. I've managed to get most of them working again (rather, worked around them by switching out hardware or using different drivers) |
| 03:11.21 | contrains | but a few of the programs segfault while starting now -- all seeming to pertain to multimedia, but that may not be relevant |
| 03:11.37 | contrains | Is this an issue I should bring up here, or with the developers of those specific packages? |
| 03:12.10 | contrains | Since it seems to be the versions apt provided that are causing trouble, is why I mention it here |
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| 03:13.31 | abrotman | contrains: be more specific |
| 03:14.03 | contrains | abrotman, in what way? You mean specific package names? |
| 03:14.26 | abrotman | that'd be a start |
| 03:14.32 | contrains | Oh, sure |
| 03:14.40 | contrains | Well, pidgin and mplayer are the two I've noticed |
| 03:14.54 | contrains | mplayer segfaults instantly, pidgin segfaults when it gets to the "loading audio" part (in debug mode) |
| 03:14.57 | abrotman | pidgin works fine for me in squeeze |
| 03:15.05 | abrotman | (i don't use sound with pidgin) |
| 03:15.06 | contrains | debugging pidgin led me back to libgstreamer crashing |
| 03:15.17 | contrains | Well, I do'nt use sound either, but the one that apt provide comes with it |
| 03:15.26 | contrains | I just had it disabled in pidgin's settings |
| 03:15.52 | contrains | It made me wonder if perhaps my system audio configuration was crashing it... and that may be so still |
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| 03:16.13 | contrains | I switched out soundcards and my audio is working again (it wasn't immediately after the upgrade), but those applications still crash |
| 03:16.37 | abrotman | strace pidgin ? |
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| 03:17.33 | contrains | Installing strace |
| 03:17.46 | contrains | Eek, lots of output |
| 03:17.46 | yuri_ | has anyone had success using a loopback or tap device as the inside interface for an ipsec vpn with OpenSwan? |
| 03:17.53 | contrains | pipes it to a file, then puts that to pastebin |
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| 03:18.32 | abrotman | contrains: -o is useful |
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| 03:21.10 | contrains | Here you go, abrotman : http://pastebin.ca/1723249 |
| 03:21.14 | contrains | and thank you for your help |
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| 03:22.36 | abrotman | it's amd64 ? |
| 03:22.50 | contrains | No, my system is x86 |
| 03:22.51 | abrotman | it's looks .. video driver related ? |
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| 03:23.24 | contrains | It's always possible |
| 03:23.38 | contrains | I got dropped to a terminal after updating to squeeze because something got messed up with my drivers |
| 03:23.46 | abrotman | is the 'xorg' package installed ? |
| 03:23.51 | contrains | was never able to get that fully fixed, so I'm using 'nv' instead of the 'nvidia' drivers |
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| 03:23.57 | chron__ | does anyone know how to mount / so that changes to it aren't saved? (like a livecd) i know this is possible with aufs |
| 03:24.03 | contrains | Yes, it is |
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| 03:24.14 | chron__ | contrains: do you know how to with aufs? |
| 03:24.35 | contrains | Sorry chron__, I was responding to something said immediately before you joined |
| 03:24.45 | chron__ | :O |
| 03:24.56 | malichite | got referenced here from #linuxoutlaws |
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| 03:25.05 | malichite | I was told this was the l337 channel |
| 03:25.13 | malichite | I am having some problems with IET and iSNS |
| 03:25.22 | malichite | can't get it to register on my iSNS server with the targets |
| 03:25.30 | malichite | works just fine when connecting straight to it |
| 03:25.33 | malichite | anythoughts? |
| 03:25.44 | malichite | iSNS config seems pretty minimal |
| 03:25.55 | abrotman | malichite: which distro ? |
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| 03:26.11 | malichite | I know I will get smacked but it is on CentOS 5 |
| 03:26.23 | abrotman | you're in the wrong channel, try #centos or ##linux |
| 03:26.34 | malichite | thanks |
| 03:26.44 | malichite | figured IET works on all the distros |
| 03:26.49 | malichite | but I will go over there |
| 03:26.52 | abrotman | bye |
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| 03:28.46 | abrotman | contrains: binary nvidia driver ? |
| 03:29.08 | contrains | I was wanting to use that |
| 03:29.21 | contrains | I installed it from nvidia's website and it worked, but then after a reboot it ceased to work again |
| 03:29.24 | abrotman | i wonder if that's why it's crashing, bits left over from lenny perhaps |
| 03:29.27 | abrotman | !squeeze nvidia |
| 03:29.34 | contrains | and not really having the time to look into it, I just used nv |
| 03:29.39 | abrotman | !tell contrains about nvidia squeeze |
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| 03:30.23 | contrains | Will that support the legacy nVidia cards? |
| 03:30.33 | contrains | I seem to recall that they were supported in lenny and sid, but not squeeze |
| 03:31.46 | abrotman | squeeze is between lenny and sid |
| 03:31.56 | contrains | nods |
| 03:32.02 | Drunken | i'm switching to ubuntu tonight. :( |
| 03:32.08 | Drunken | i'll miss debian |
| 03:32.10 | abrotman | tell #ubuntu, thanks |
| 03:32.16 | Drunken | lol |
| 03:32.32 | mactimes | Hi. I'm running Lenny and mounted a some NFS partition from a NAS server to test. I'm now trying to umount it but it says the partition is currently busy and won't umount even with the -f option. Does anybody know how I can check what resources are in use for that FS so that I can stop them and umount it without reboot the server? |
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| 03:33.24 | oh_noes | Any deb/apt guys here? Just wonder if there is a doc/wiki page on version number comparisons in apt-get? At the moment I have two repos, nightly and release and nightly is just "v2.3.0" but nightly is "int-blah-something-$DATE |
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| 03:33.37 | oh_noes | and obviously they dont match and you can't upgrade even if it's should be an upgrade |
| 03:33.38 | coz_ | hey guys.... I creat |
| 03:33.41 | coz_ | darn |
| 03:33.47 | coz_ | let me try that again :) |
| 03:33.53 | oh_noes | but i want to know ... what format should the version be in to work? |
| 03:33.58 | oh_noes | how do other projects handle this? |
| 03:34.06 | abrotman | !tell oh_noes about version compare |
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| 03:35.18 | mactimes | s/reboot/rebooting/ |
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| 03:37.11 | coz_ | hey guys:) I do themes for cairo dock and just uploaded one to be tested,,, it works well but a fellow in #cairo-dock with debian is not getting the proper rendering of the icons...different font is used on the icon itself so it shouldnt need to be installed...what could be the issue? |
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| 03:39.32 | contrains | Be right back |
| 03:40.14 | mactimes | Nvm. I found it. 'lsof' and 'grep' solved it, just in case someone wondered about an answer for that too. |
| 03:40.22 | oh_noes | abrotman: thanks. So if I used used my version as "vX.Y", then basically append nothing to it if it's a proper outside release or append $DATE to it ... it willl successfully upgrade as you would expect? |
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| 03:48.45 | contrains | Oops... had two xchat windows open |
| 03:48.52 | misterubuntu | debian has turned into ubuntu |
| 03:48.55 | contrains | No wonder it was getting upset |
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| 03:50.30 | coz_ | hey guys let me run this by you this is the origianl icon http://www.picpaste.com/Screenshot-Shiretoko.png but this is the way it is being seen on debian http://picpaste.com/Screenshot_5.png |
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| 03:51.19 | coz_ | my concern is that the icon with that font is in svg format |
| 03:51.26 | misterubuntu | we must kill ubuntus |
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| 03:51.44 | misterubuntu | we must no longer take it up the butty |
| 03:51.45 | icebrain | misterubuntu: stop trolling, please |
| 03:51.53 | misterubuntu | :/ |
| 03:51.58 | \amethyst | coz_: what do you mean by "different font is used on the icon itself"? |
| 03:52.04 | misterubuntu | debian forever |
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| 03:52.07 | \amethyst | coz_: do you mean the font is embedded? |
| 03:52.16 | debianforever | :) |
| 03:52.25 | debianforever | long live DEBIAN |
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| 03:53.01 | coz_ | \amethyst, well let me explain...when I created the icon and used a specifig font in inkscape.... it then...to my undferstanding ...renders as an image and is not reliant on that font being installed |
| 03:53.29 | coz_ | \amethyst, I have tested this theme with others with no problem however one fellow running debian and the other ubuntu are having the same issue |
| 03:53.41 | \amethyst | coz_: could I get a copy of the svg? |
| 03:53.49 | coz_ | \amethyst, sure hold on |
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| 03:54.55 | coz_ | \amethyst, here is the folder with th |
| 03:54.58 | coz_ | damn |
| 03:55.09 | coz_ | \amethyst, here is the folder with the set of icons http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/icons.tar.gz |
| 03:55.30 | coz_ | \amethyst, they should be well rounded and a severly slanted "S" |
| 03:55.40 | debianforever | well testing out debian 5.02 and I am liking it |
| 03:55.50 | debianforever | from livecd |
| 03:56.17 | debianforever | does debian install setup encrypted partitions for home on install like with ubuntu? |
| 03:56.56 | \amethyst | coz_: nope, the text did not get rendered to a curve |
| 03:57.31 | coz_ | \amethyst, well this is puzzling.... the other cairo dock devs tested this with no issue yet you make 3 who cannot g |
| 03:57.36 | coz_ | get the rounded text |
| 03:57.37 | icebrain | I've opened "default-alsa", and the text is a simple <text> tag, indicating that the font "Plymdale" must be present |
| 03:57.51 | \amethyst | coz_: they probably have the Plymdale font installed |
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| 03:58.21 | icebrain | you can open the files in any text editor and see the tags |
| 03:58.31 | coz_ | \amethyst, mm would you mind installing it http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/plimdale.tar.gz to see if that makes a difference? |
| 03:59.05 | coz_ | icebrain, I am going to have to do that yes |
| 03:59.16 | \amethyst | coz_: I'm sure it would, but that doesn't help your issue, if you want the svg to look the same to someone who doesn't have the font |
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| 03:59.30 | icebrain | coz_: I think there's a way to embed fonts in SVGs, but I'm not sure |
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| 03:59.51 | coz_ | icebrain, this is puzzling because I have never had this issue but I will definitly check on that |
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| 04:00.27 | icebrain | coz_: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/170963 |
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| 04:01.24 | \amethyst | coz_: in Inkscape you should be able to select the text, then Object->Object to Path |
| 04:01.56 | coz_ | \amethyst, ok I am going to have to deal with this then thanks guys for the time |
| 04:03.31 | debianforever | cool debian comes with audio codecs by default |
| 04:03.44 | debianforever | +1 debian -1 ubuntu |
| 04:03.54 | \amethyst | coz_: one issue (mentioned in the bug icebrain pointed to) is that if you do convert, it's no longer a text object, so you can't just change it from 'ALSA' to 'OSS4' :) |
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| 04:04.28 | coz_ | \amethyst, yeah thats not an issue since the font is just meant to be an image |
| 04:04.31 | coz_ | on the icon |
| 04:04.45 | coz_ | I have to keep my big hands away from the return button :) |
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| 04:13.30 | debianforever | hi |
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| 04:18.31 | contrains | Hi :) |
| 04:21.06 | debianforever | debian needs to have libdvdcss2 installed by default also so we can play dvds |
| 04:21.08 | debianforever | :) |
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| 04:21.31 | debianforever | so noobiez don't keep on askin' |
| 04:21.37 | debianforever | how to |
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| 04:23.19 | coz_ | thanks again guys :) |
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| 04:25.04 | TangentCollision | I'm moving the files on my server onto a debian system from an old ubuntu-server install. what files should NOT be shuffled over? |
| 04:25.27 | oh_noes | Does GNU/Linux/Debian have an equivalent to Solaris Zones? (low foot print virtualization that runs inside the same kernal) |
| 04:25.40 | oh_noes | ie not Xen which == Vmware == multiple high level OS's |
| 04:25.52 | debianforever | qemu oh_noes |
| 04:25.58 | debianforever | qemu virtualbox |
| 04:26.11 | teratoma | solaris zones has a little more work put into it then qemu |
| 04:26.19 | oh_noes | vbox is full OS |
| 04:26.38 | debianforever | qemu is good try it out oh_noes |
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| 04:26.41 | oh_noes | I have a deb serrver, and want to multiple virtual deb instances with dedicated IP's |
| 04:26.57 | oh_noes | running up VMWare and individual guests is overkill for me |
| 04:27.02 | debianforever | well just enable networking with qemu |
| 04:27.10 | oh_noes | yep thanks, I'll take a look at it |
| 04:27.16 | debianforever | qemu is more light weight |
| 04:27.45 | debianforever | with kvm or kqemu qemu isn't that much slower than vmware |
| 04:27.56 | debianforever | well according to some benchmarks online |
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| 04:28.12 | debianforever | it was only a few seconds slower on most of the tests |
| 04:29.47 | TangentCollision | any thoughts? |
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| 04:30.16 | tensorpudding | Xen is not at all like VMWare |
| 04:31.02 | debianforever | oh_noes: why don't you just make multiple accounts instead and just have them remote desktop into them like keyboard video mouse adapter box |
| 04:31.53 | debianforever | well if it doesn't work real well you could use a VPN and use a KVM like software |
| 04:32.06 | debianforever | openvpn |
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| 04:33.03 | debianforever | you must be using a really fast machine oh_noes |
| 04:33.34 | debianforever | I wonder if it would be cheaper for schools to just buy one big super computer and just hook up kvm to them |
| 04:33.59 | debianforever | and then install linux on it |
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| 04:34.47 | TangentCollision | is there a simple install method that allows me to use SSH for most of it? |
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| 04:38.45 | debianforever | well I think I might go back to debian |
| 04:39.14 | debianforever | it seems they have implementated the fixes for my card like in ubuntu so I have full 3d |
| 04:39.17 | debianforever | :) |
| 04:39.40 | TangentCollision | lo |
| 04:39.56 | TangentCollision | I'm ditching ubuntu because it's taking about a year and a half to restart |
| 04:40.01 | TangentCollision | I don't get it |
| 04:40.04 | debianforever | just played freedoom |
| 04:40.15 | debianforever | yes debian is faster at bootup times |
| 04:40.18 | tensorpudding | debianforever doesn't use debian? |
| 04:40.30 | debianforever | well I will be |
| 04:40.36 | debianforever | this is just on my laptop |
| 04:40.41 | debianforever | cause of no 3d |
| 04:40.46 | TangentCollision | lol |
| 04:40.54 | debianforever | now 3d is working in the latest release |
| 04:41.09 | debianforever | I have debian on other computers though |
| 04:41.19 | debianforever | :) |
| 04:41.21 | tensorpudding | boot times have to do with the number of services you run more than which distro you have |
| 04:41.39 | debianforever | yeah ubuntu buts a lot of crap on there |
| 04:42.00 | tensorpudding | you can turn some of them off |
| 04:42.04 | debianforever | I just disable several unneeded services and all usplashes |
| 04:42.18 | tensorpudding | yeah, that ubuntu splash is kinda bothersome |
| 04:42.21 | debianforever | well I mean I uninstall all usplashes |
| 04:42.31 | nsadmin | TangentCollision: that wouldn't be because of ubuntu... it's kernel plus daemons |
| 04:43.02 | tensorpudding | kernel version might help, but i don't know if newer kernels are faster/slower than older |
| 04:43.11 | TangentCollision | nsadmin: hmm... |
| 04:43.20 | debianforever | it took a few minutes to bootup with the usplash but after I removed it. it was almost back at the same boot up time as before only 15 seconds slower so 45 seconds for boot |
| 04:43.30 | TangentCollision | it gets caught on "saving the system clocks" when I do reboot |
| 04:43.41 | TangentCollision | literally doesn't get past that |
| 04:43.44 | debianforever | I mean with the 9.04 release it only took 30 secounds |
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| 04:43.56 | nsadmin | so ok, it may be because of the default of how they set it up for booting |
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| 04:44.06 | nsadmin | but all that is changable |
| 04:44.15 | stew | with roughly the same set of software installed using released versions of ubuntu and debian, one would expect ubuntu to boot faster, since they have made some changes to target faster boot times (which debian will have in the next release), such as dash ask /bin/sh and parallel init scripts |
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| 04:44.18 | TangentCollision | heh |
| 04:44.42 | TangentCollision | I'm probably going to make the switch after I get back home from the holidays |
| 04:45.00 | stew | ^ask^as |
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| 04:45.36 | nsadmin | TangentCollision what cpu, how much ram, how much disk, how much -unpartitioned- space (or how much unused in your lvm vg if that's what you're using) |
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| 04:46.08 | nsadmin | I'm curious, because maybe you can do virtualization to try before you decide |
| 04:47.12 | TangentCollision | I don't know much about lvm ^^; but it's either a 40-80gb hd, 768mb ram and I don't know what the processor is, one minute |
| 04:47.14 | nsadmin | oh, and I want to get a fairly cheap but capable laptop with lots of ram and disk, and directly capable of virt |
| 04:47.30 | nsadmin | ok |
| 04:47.42 | nsadmin | you can cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 04:48.01 | nsadmin | and you look at that, pls don't paste the whole thing |
| 04:48.10 | TangentCollision | 2.5ghz p4 |
| 04:48.27 | nsadmin | ok, so you're squarely in 32-bit land |
| 04:48.33 | TangentCollision | indeed |
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| 04:48.50 | nsadmin | as is my present laptop |
| 04:48.51 | TangentCollision | this server has been around since 2002 |
| 04:49.48 | asdfcafgh | hey guys. I have old hardware and I want to install debian sarge (3.1) on it... can anybody tell me where I can find the DVD ISO files? |
| 04:50.05 | debianforever | transmission version is ancient |
| 04:50.07 | nsadmin | sarge didn't have dvd images |
| 04:50.16 | TangentCollision | asdfcafgh why would you want to do that? |
| 04:50.20 | asdfcafgh | nsadmin: ok.. CD ISOs |
| 04:50.22 | nsadmin | but look at archive.debian.org |
| 04:50.37 | debianforever | but still allows the ability to ignore non encrypted peers |
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| 04:50.53 | TangentCollision | my first debian was etch ^^ |
| 04:51.00 | stew | asdfcafgh: why can't you use a current version of debian? (note that sarge is no longer supported) |
| 04:51.11 | TangentCollision | by a lot |
| 04:51.24 | asdfcafgh | I just have very old hardware |
| 04:51.28 | nsadmin | mine was 0.96(?).something |
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| 04:51.46 | asdfcafgh | are there repos for sarge? |
| 04:52.03 | stew | asdfcafgh: on archive.debian.org but they are unsopported and have many known security problems |
| 04:52.08 | markybob | only for retarded users |
| 04:52.24 | stew | markybob: there is no need for that |
| 04:52.24 | nsadmin | recorded users??! |
| 04:52.27 | asdfcafgh | thats ok, its a desktop machine anyway |
| 04:52.39 | stew | asdfcafgh: what about your machine won't work with a recent version of debian? |
| 04:52.54 | nsadmin | how much ram does it have? that's probably the first thing |
| 04:53.02 | asdfcafgh | stew: I think lenny would be too heavy |
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| 04:53.36 | asdfcafgh | stew: u know X and GNOME, etc. |
| 04:53.43 | adb | asdfcafgh, which processor is in ? |
| 04:53.51 | stew | asdfcafgh: yes, why/ |
| 04:53.56 | TangentCollision | asdfcafgh: you can probably choose NOT to install gnome |
| 04:54.08 | asdfcafgh | stew: its an AMD-K6 III |
| 04:54.32 | stew | asdfcafgh: that's not a problem with any version of debian |
| 04:54.33 | TangentCollision | asdfcafgh: hell, try for a net install and do only what you want |
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| 04:54.43 | markybob | pretty sure i just got proved right |
| 04:55.25 | TangentCollision | markybob: you know, I would say "that's not nice, blah blah blah" but you push a hard bargain |
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| 04:56.07 | nsadmin | asdfcafgh: how much ram? |
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| 04:56.33 | asdfcafgh | nsadmin: 256MB |
| 04:56.58 | stew | lenny requires 64mb |
| 04:57.20 | adb | i got lenny on P@200 MHz ... 196 MB |
| 04:57.33 | TangentCollision | adb: hard core |
| 04:57.51 | adb | sure nO X .. |
| 04:57.54 | TangentCollision | I've got arch on 500mhz 500mb 2gb |
| 04:57.56 | nsadmin | asdfcafgh: so you could go for lenny if you want... if you were to add ram, how much is the max you could have on the machine? |
| 04:58.07 | stew | i keep putting off upgrading my 48mb firewall to lenny which is on a pentium 133 |
| 04:58.15 | asdfcafgh | nsadmin: thats the max: 256MB |
| 04:59.09 | nsadmin | oh ok, you could still go for lenny if you want |
| 04:59.19 | asdfcafgh | I cant seem to find any ISOs on archive.debian.org... I must be blind of sth |
| 04:59.23 | nsadmin | what do you want to do with the machine? |
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| 04:59.37 | asdfcafgh | nsadmin: desktop machine |
| 04:59.52 | TangentCollision | asdfcafgh: specify |
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| 05:00.12 | nsadmin | so, probably you mean a general do-whatever box, not any kind of server |
| 05:00.25 | nsadmin | solitare and c compiling |
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| 05:00.43 | nsadmin | database development and minesweeper |
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| 05:02.02 | asdfcafgh | nsadmin: not a server, a desktop |
| 05:02.02 | TangentCollision | nethack and aircrack |
| 05:02.12 | nsadmin | gotcha |
| 05:02.31 | nsadmin | what is it about sarge you're attracted to? |
| 05:03.24 | asdfcafgh | nsadmin: thats its lightweight |
| 05:03.28 | asdfcafgh | that* |
| 05:03.49 | nsadmin | for one thing the debian-supplied kernels all have as many things modulized as possible, so typically not much kernel space (probably more than sarge tho) |
| 05:04.07 | TangentCollision | asdfcafgh: I'm pretty sure that all debian is pretty lightweight |
| 05:04.43 | nsadmin | kernels do tend to take up more kernel space as they go to newer versions |
| 05:05.05 | asdfcafgh | I guess I simply wanted to install sarge and see what the performance would be like |
| 05:05.23 | nsadmin | you can do that if you want of course... |
| 05:05.41 | stew | asdfcafgh: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 05:05.45 | asdfcafgh | nsadmin: but i failed to find any ISO files on archive.debian.org |
| 05:05.59 | nsadmin | so if you do, note that the upgrade path is etch then lenny |
| 05:06.01 | stew | asdfcafgh: the installer will be somewhat broken, as it will end up with sources.list pointing to lenny, which you'll need to fix |
| 05:06.13 | nsadmin | was woody before or after sarge |
| 05:06.23 | asdfcafgh | after |
| 05:06.25 | stew | asdfcafgh: the isos aren't archived on archive.debian.org, but that's where you'll need to point sources.list to |
| 05:06.29 | stew | nsadmin: before |
| 05:06.48 | asdfcafgh | sarge then woody |
| 05:07.08 | stew | !release history |
| 05:07.08 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14). The next release will be Squeeze. See also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html. |
| 05:07.20 | asdfcafgh | sorry |
| 05:07.48 | nsadmin | ok, so the order is correct... if/as/when you upgrade, read the release notes of the version you upgrade to, and make sure you upgrade to the next version each time |
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| 05:09.49 | nsadmin | so if you install sarge now, and you wanted say lenny later, then: you'd first make sure the sarge is uptodate, then upgrade to etch (read etch release notes for instructions first), then make sure your etch is completely uptodate, then upgrade to lenny (reading lenny release notes for instructions) |
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| 05:10.39 | asdfcafgh | nsadmin: no updates. Just run sarge and see how it performs |
| 05:12.04 | nsadmin | asdfcafgh: I'm just saying, if you later want to upgrade, that's how you'd do it... also note, downgrading is not supported at all |
| 05:12.20 | nsadmin | so keep backups if you're going to want to go back |
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| 05:12.55 | debianforever | how can you view sid packages without upgrading to it |
| 05:12.59 | debianforever | via apt |
| 05:13.04 | asdfcafgh | nsadmin: thanks for the tips |
| 05:13.25 | debianforever | I just want to see the versions to some packages |
| 05:14.14 | adb | ...ask judd |
| 05:14.24 | debianforever | who me? |
| 05:14.26 | nsadmin | debianforever: one way: http://packages.debian.org |
| 05:14.37 | debianforever | why not through apt? |
| 05:14.40 | nsadmin | and asking judd is another |
| 05:15.10 | debianforever | I can't like just do a sources.list tempory makeover for seeing packages |
| 05:15.18 | debianforever | hmm |
| 05:15.28 | nsadmin | I guess you could... |
| 05:15.53 | nsadmin | but you'd risk upgrading to sid if you did the wrong thing |
| 05:16.15 | nsadmin | like using apt to upgrade a package |
| 05:16.21 | nsadmin | or just install |
| 05:16.29 | asdfcafgh | u know, I wonder how ubuntu 6.06 would compare to debian sarge in terms of performance |
| 05:16.49 | nsadmin | dunno. as with sarge, try it and see |
| 05:17.02 | debianforever | man debian sid is way up to date |
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| 05:17.04 | asdfcafgh | I think I will |
| 05:19.59 | nsadmin | debianforever: well the versions may be up to date, but a good percentage of those packages are not well tested yet |
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| 05:27.57 | paradroid | Does anyone know of a guide to setup power management without using a daemon like gnome-power-manager or kpowersave? For instance, without X? I need a way to control screen brightness and CPU frequency in my window manager. |
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| 05:31.59 | debianforever | LONG LIVE DEBIAN |
| 05:32.07 | debianforever | :D |
| 05:32.44 | TangentCollision | LAWNG LEEV |
| 05:33.18 | debianforever | lawng leev? |
| 05:33.57 | debianforever | ic |
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| 05:34.02 | sg | ._. |
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| 05:34.18 | debianforever | Did you mean: LONG LEAVE |
| 05:34.23 | debianforever | hehe |
| 05:34.31 | debianforever | scroogles |
| 05:35.15 | lnostdal | *sigh* .. what is the malfunction wrt. the gnome meta-package? .. why does the maintainer refuse set the tomboy dep. to tomboy _or_ gnote ..? .. this is not good enough |
| 05:35.25 | lnostdal | refuse to* |
| 05:35.40 | stew | lnostdal: which bug# are you talking about? |
| 05:35.49 | lnostdal | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=473118 |
| 05:35.55 | lnostdal | this has been going back and forth for a while .. |
| 05:36.21 | lnostdal | in 2.26 i think it was tomboy | gnote .. now it is back to where it was before |
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| 05:37.13 | stew | lnostdal: does the maintainer not give a reason in the bug? |
| 05:37.39 | lnostdal | none .. what i have been doing is patching the gnome meta-package myself and it works 100% |
| 05:37.55 | lnostdal | ..but doing that over and over again is getting quite bothersome |
| 05:38.22 | stew | lnostdal: doesn't this seem like an upstream bug? |
| 05:38.39 | stew | lnostdal: if its part of the official gnome desktop, why shouldn't it be part of the gnome desktop in debian? |
| 05:38.40 | lnostdal | IIRC gnome does not provide a package manager |
| 05:39.24 | stew | what does that have to do with it? |
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| 05:41.51 | Kamping_Kaiser | tomboy is the official gnome note taker |
| 05:41.58 | lnostdal | removing the gnome meta-package results in a ton of trouble; the update-manager and several other really useful (in a debian context) packages get "GCed" at the next full-upgrade! |
| 05:42.01 | Kamping_Kaiser | so not including gnote in gnome meta package is understandable |
| 05:42.20 | Kamping_Kaiser | you could, ya know, have both installed |
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| 05:42.45 | stew | lnostdal: you can use aptitude unmarkauto or apt-mark to mark those packages as manually installed so they won't be automatically removed |
| 05:42.53 | lnostdal | you mean mark the packages in question as "manually installed"? .. no, that is not good enough .. they should then be part of another meta-package |
| 05:43.19 | Kamping_Kaiser | o_0 |
| 05:43.19 | stew | lnostdal: what should the gnome meta package be then if not the "full blown gnome desktop"? |
| 05:43.50 | stew | lnostdal: or what should be the criteria for debian deciding that it is going to exclude a program that is part of the gnome desktop from being part of a full blown gnome desktop on debian/ |
| 05:43.55 | lnostdal | while i understand what you are saying, stew .. i know that you understand full and well what i mean also |
| 05:44.06 | stew | lnostdal: no, really, I don't |
| 05:44.23 | lnostdal | then i have nothing further to say to you |
| 05:44.25 | stew | lnostdal: you haven't yet given a reason why it shouldn't be in the gnome package |
| 05:44.33 | chron__ | does anyone know how to mount / so that changes to it aren't saved? (like a livecd) i know this is possible with aufs |
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| 05:45.09 | TangentCollision | I'll get back to y'al |
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| 05:45.12 | lnostdal | it should not be there because users do not want the software in question .. i have no use for a note-tanking application, but i do need all the debian <--> gnome type software like e.g. the update-manager |
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| 05:45.56 | stew | lnostdal: then the gnome meta-package which is meant for "I want every application that is part of gnome" is not for you, since you clearly don't want every application in gnonme |
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| 05:46.45 | stew | lnostdal: perhaps you want the gnome-desktop-environment meta-package instead, which has fewer dependencies |
| 05:46.58 | \amethyst | or, as you are doing, to patch it |
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| 05:47.40 | lnostdal | stew, unfortunately, having gnome-desktop-environment installed still leaves the packages in question "dangling" and they'll thus be uninstalled at next full-upgrade ... try it! |
| 05:47.48 | danisahne | good morning i want to use wol with s2disk is this possible? |
| 05:48.04 | stew | lnostdal: mark those packages as manually installed |
| 05:48.19 | \amethyst | lnostdal: personally I would keep modifying the package as you are doing |
| 05:48.22 | lnostdal | you have already suggested that, stew :P |
| 05:48.24 | stew | lnostdal: perhaps with "aptitude unmarkauto '~Rgnome~i' |
| 05:48.39 | lnostdal | \amethyst, yes, that works .. that's what i'm doing .. but it is getting sort of old .. heh |
| 05:48.44 | stew | lnostdal: yes, as it is the solution to your problem |
| 05:48.49 | \amethyst | lnostdal: and either pin yours or set the epoch really high |
| 05:49.19 | \amethyst | actually, no, that's not true |
| 05:49.27 | \amethyst | personally I would do what stew says |
| 05:49.34 | \amethyst | since that's what I do |
| 05:49.38 | stew | lnostdal: it would be a waste to have one gnome package for every possible personal preference out there. the gnome package for 'everything but tomboy', the gnome package for 'everything but rhythmbox' the one for 'everything but gstreamer'... |
| 05:49.49 | lnostdal | no, not reall, stew .. having a rolling release cycle where things might change means that that is not a good solution |
| 05:49.52 | lnostdal | really* |
| 05:50.03 | stew | lnostdal: then run stable |
| 05:50.33 | stew | which should only change every 2 years or so, on average, which should make it more manageable for you |
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| 05:51.39 | lnostdal | that is not a very realistic "solution", stew |
| 05:52.02 | \amethyst | lnostdal: so you explicitly want to track everything that 'gnome' depends upon, except tomboy? |
| 05:52.19 | stew | lnostdal: neither is "gnome-except-tomboy", "gnome-except-gstreamer", "gnome-except-rhythmbox" packages |
| 05:52.54 | lnostdal | \amethyst / stew, while i'm not exactly 100% sure how one should partition stuff .. a simple start or change would surely be to add "or gnote" to the gnome meta-package .. no? |
| 05:53.27 | stew | lnostdal: this is again someting that should be done upstream then, not in debian |
| 05:53.47 | lnostdal | *sigh* .. never mind then .. i'll switch to gentoo |
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| 05:53.54 | \amethyst | lnostdal: Unfortunately that has become a politcal question and the maintainer has taken the side of upstream, who says "Tomboy is a part of the GNOME Desktop" |
| 05:54.11 | \amethyst | lnostdal: you could use 'equivs' to make a fake tomboy package |
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| 05:54.14 | lnostdal | after running debian since 1998 this just sucks .. i've had enough |
| 05:54.20 | stew | heh |
| 05:54.55 | stew | "aptitude unmarkauto '~Rgnome~i'" is less desirable than gentoo? heh |
| 05:55.03 | lnostdal | or perhaps ubuntu .. i do not see tomboy (or gnote?) mentioned in their gnome meta-package |
| 05:55.50 | \amethyst | lnostdal: lucid has tomboy | gnote actually |
| 05:56.06 | \amethyst | lnostdal: karmic had an old enough gnome that it hadn't happened yet |
| 05:56.08 | stew | which will probably change |
| 05:56.21 | lnostdal | \amethyst, yes, pure politics .. the technical point of having a package manager is to make things flexible and easy to handle .. this is doing the opposite; it is restricting and non-flexible .. debian desktop without the gnome meta-package is not useful |
| 05:56.39 | lnostdal | ahok |
| 05:56.47 | stew | heh, i have rooms full of not useful computers then :) |
| 05:56.50 | Kamping_Kaiser | i still havne't seen a good reason not to have both |
| 05:56.58 | \amethyst | lnostdal: I don't use gnome, but I have everything but evolution installed |
| 05:57.18 | \amethyst | lnostdal: If the 'gnome' metapackage were to add a new dependency, I wouldn't automatically get it |
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| 05:57.52 | \amethyst | lnostdal: but since you don't agree 100% with the dependencies of the metapackage, you might not *want* something new that's added to the metapackage |
| 05:58.03 | lnostdal | \amethyst, yah .. so that means if something where to replace update-manager (which is now marked "manually") you'll never know |
| 05:58.15 | \amethyst | lnostdal: 'manually' doesn't mean not to upgrade it |
| 05:58.28 | \amethyst | lnostdal: oh, nm |
| 05:58.33 | \amethyst | lnostdal: I misunderstood |
| 05:58.38 | lnostdal | \amethyst, but an "upgrade" might here also mean a change from update-manager --> some-other-package |
| 05:58.57 | lnostdal | ok |
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| 05:59.13 | \amethyst | lnostdal: unless the other package Replaces: it, which would be likely |
| 05:59.23 | lnostdal | yeah, perhaps \amethyst |
| 05:59.25 | \amethyst | lnostdal: but not guaranteed, it's true |
| 05:59.31 | lnostdal | aye |
| 05:59.46 | nsadmin | so I'm trying to figure out why timidity (as alsa sequencer interface) is segfaulting when the application feeding timidity closes the connection (long-standing bug, probably since before etch) |
| 05:59.46 | \amethyst | lnostdal: equivs is the quick and dirty, don't have to worry about it again solution |
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| 06:00.06 | lnostdal | ok |
| 06:00.22 | \amethyst | lnostdal: just set the version number of your fake package high enough that it will satisfy any future version of gnome |
| 06:00.51 | nsadmin | anyone want to help me find the problem? |
| 06:00.59 | lnostdal | heh .. yeah, or perhaps i could add a fake tomboy package with a really high version number .. x) |
| 06:01.14 | \amethyst | lnostdal: that's what I said :) |
| 06:01.29 | \amethyst | lnostdal: that's what equivs does, makes a fake package to satisfy dependencies :) |
| 06:01.38 | lnostdal | oh yeah, i thought you meant the gnome package itself .. this would work, ok |
| 06:01.54 | lnostdal | i'll do that then .. heh :P |
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| 06:08.02 | \amethyst | lnostdal: btw, not to get political, but are you doing this for patent reasons? |
| 06:08.38 | \amethyst | lnostdal: because if so you might want to keep an eye on https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554031 |
| 06:09.48 | \amethyst | err, that's a different issue, nm |
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| 06:22.48 | michela | Hi, can anyone advise what etch package does LDAP auth via Apache2? |
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| 06:27.09 | sg | how can i install a fresh debian testing distro? |
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| 06:53.45 | trstag | the default Mercurial that came with my Debian Lenny is 1.0.1. Now I'm required to use at least version 1.1 (rest of the team is on OS X and is using Mercurial 1.4). What is the recommended "Debian way" if I want to install a more recent version of some software (in my case Mercurial)? |
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| 06:55.36 | lnostdal | trstag, backports |
| 06:56.43 | trstag | is reading on backports |
| 06:56.58 | lnostdal | http://packages.debian.org/lenny-backports/mercurial .. so 1.3.1 .. http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then apt-get -t lenny-backports install mercurial as explained |
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| 07:00.42 | trstag | lnostdal: thanks a lot |
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| 07:16.48 | clusty | hey. |
| 07:16.59 | clusty | i got the following env variable: PS1="${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[00m\]:\[\033[01;34m\]\w\[\033[00m\]\$ " |
| 07:17.25 | clusty | tgis makes the hostname green and current dir blue |
| 07:17.42 | clusty | how can i change the color of current dir to something else, say white ? |
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| 07:18.25 | SparFux | clusty: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/bash-shell-change-the-color-of-my-shell-prompt-under-linux-or-unix/ |
| 07:18.40 | clusty | SparFux: thanks |
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| 07:21.39 | \amethyst | clusty: short answer is 37 instead of 34, but I'm sure that link has more info :) |
| 07:21.51 | clusty | yeah. figured thanks |
| 07:22.04 | clusty | gonna look now if i can make it bold |
| 07:22.16 | \amethyst | that's what the 01 is supposed to do |
| 07:22.28 | clusty | have a very hard time coming up with a color scheme that works with a transparent terminal |
| 07:22.35 | \amethyst | but in some terminal emulators, depending on settings, it just makes the color bright and doesn't change the font |
| 07:22.42 | clusty | for any background junk and all text editos..... |
| 07:23.02 | \amethyst | make it 95% opaque :) |
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| 07:27.16 | SparFux | I want to setup automatic internet detection with ifup and guessnet. Some places I use pppoe at and some I use a router at. It's not so nice that pppd has its own ip-up.d where ifup uses its if-up.d which even runs all scripts all times. |
| 07:28.39 | joltcan | SparFux: couldn't you script something with dhclient exit hooks? so if you got a lease, and if you are in the correct IP range run a script that starts the pppoe stuff? |
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| 07:32.02 | SparFux | joltcan: hm.... I am not using dhcp on all configurations. |
| 07:33.13 | SparFux | joltcan: so far I am running /etc/network/if-up.d/ script to run /etc/ppp/ip-up.d which is tricky already. But network/if-up.d is more general so I would like to have the if-up.d run by pppd instead of ip-up.d |
| 07:33.17 | joltcan | SparFux: I have no idea what guessnet is, but it sounds like it is supposed to be scriptable |
| 07:33.36 | SparFux | joltcan: guessnet is just there to detect which netowrk you are on. |
| 07:34.07 | joltcan | SparFux: if-up.d sounds better, at least if you are not running pppoe all the time |
| 07:34.20 | joltcan | if-up should run everytime the interface is up, regardless |
| 07:35.20 | SparFux | joltcan: yes, the annoying ting is to translate the environment variables pppd gives to the ppp/ip-up.d scripts :-) |
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| 07:36.34 | SparFux | one main task I want to do in if-up.d is iptables. I think this is open for discussion. The /etc/init.d/iptables script is even removed from debian package, because there is no unique debian way to handle iptables. |
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| 07:43.44 | joltcan | SparFux: iptables-restore < /a/nice/file |
| 07:44.34 | joltcan | SparFux: I use up /sbin/iptables-restore < /a/nice/file on lo to get some nice base settings |
| 07:44.38 | SparFux | joltcan: hm... what do you do when having several hotplug interfaces :-) |
| 07:45.02 | joltcan | SparFux: I don't really see why you would need multiple firewall settings |
| 07:45.22 | joltcan | lock everything down and use VPN to/from your machine, and set the firewall rules on the VPN if |
| 07:45.47 | joltcan | or have a iptables-restore row for every other interface, but that sounds like crap, so KISS |
| 07:45.49 | SparFux | hm... |
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| 07:54.46 | ruby002 | Hi all |
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| 08:10.09 | alfatau | hello! i'm running debian 5.0.3 and i tried some ethernet cards i had. Now, even if i've only one ethernet PCI, that card is seen as eth12 instead of eth0. If i install 2 network cards, they're seen as eth12 and eth13, and so on. do you know to what could be due this strange behaviour? is there a "cache" for previous installed devices? thanks for your attention. |
| 08:12.25 | cast | curious |
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| 08:13.04 | cast | i wouldn't rely on eth numbering FWIW, it changes when you add/remove/replace cards, upgrade kernels, etc.. |
| 08:13.17 | cast | you can force it based on driver or mac address |
| 08:13.27 | ansu | hii all, i am facing problem with fan in dell xps m1530. When i run "sensors", i get adapter as virtual device and not acpi interface. Also it doesnt show any fan or battery details.only harddisk tep is shown. |
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| 08:15.34 | mischief | can someone remind me how to find what package a file belongs to |
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| 08:15.52 | Kvant | dpkg -S filename |
| 08:15.52 | dpkg | There is no record of a filename package |
| 08:16.30 | mischief | thanks |
| 08:16.39 | alfatau | cast: interesting: what do you mean about forcing it using driver and mac address? |
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| 08:18.29 | cast | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.user/msg/0bf920a45ce7a14f?pli=1 hmm, might be useful |
| 08:18.44 | cast | https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+bug/153727 |
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| 08:19.07 | ansu | i also have acpitz-virtual-0 above adapter line |
| 08:21.33 | mischief | xen is retarded -.- |
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| 08:22.29 | alfatau | cast: thank you very much, these link will be useful. |
| 08:23.21 | NoReflex | Hello! I'm looking to build a Debian file server (SAMBA) for a small workgroup (mostly Windows machines). How flexible are the permissions to shared folders in samba? I need to define some public and some private folders (only some users should have access to)... |
| 08:23.45 | NoReflex | Do the samba users have to be real users on the file server? |
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| 08:24.25 | jezier | hi.. how can I create new abi for my custom kernel? I have couple of new modules and I can't build my kernel package... |
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| 08:25.38 | cast | NoReflex: i'd go ask in the samba channel, i don't touch windows [so consequently use NFS] |
| 08:26.47 | NoReflex | thx cast...didn't know there's a samba channel |
| 08:27.12 | alfatau | cast: thank you very much: solved erasing the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net-rules file contents. bye |
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| 08:40.47 | vulc4n | hey, I'm trying to install a more up to date version of znc |
| 08:41.24 | vulc4n | instead of building it from source might I be better off installing it from the unstable repository |
| 08:41.26 | vulc4n | ? |
| 08:41.27 | ruby002_ | any expert in DNS here? |
| 08:41.31 | vulc4n | I'm just not sure how to do that |
| 08:41.59 | ethanol | ruby002_: just ask a question and see if you get an answer. |
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| 08:42.50 | ruby002_ | i am having issue with bind |
| 08:43.10 | ruby002_ | is it possible to redirect nxdomains in bind? |
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| 08:47.42 | Hoxzer | Anybody else having problems with "gnome-settings-" freezing. Wont die even if gnome is shutdown and "-9" is used |
| 08:47.51 | Hoxzer | also it breaks hotkeys |
| 08:48.06 | ansu | hii all please help me, my fan is not turning on.sensors give only coretemp. |
| 08:48.06 | Hoxzer | Might be due to the suspend. |
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| 08:49.14 | Hoxzer | ansu: tried this http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_control_fan_speed#Using_a_stock_kernel ? |
| 08:49.38 | ansu | Thanks, hoxzer |
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| 08:53.00 | ansu | hoxzer: i am having dell xps, it seems to be for ibm.can it be used with mine |
| 08:53.14 | jps_77 | ok, so when downloading the DVD ISO, on the download page for the torrents (http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/i386/bt-dvd/) it has DVD 1 and at the bottom update 5.0.3-DVD 1 |
| 08:53.20 | jps_77 | do I download the first or the update? |
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| 08:53.45 | jps_77 | as in, is the updateed DVD1 basically the same as DVD 1 with updates, or is it a small patch to apply to DVD 1? |
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| 08:55.50 | goraxe | hi I'm trying to build a deb using cdbs, I need to patch the configure.ac and could use some advice on the best way to do that (and regenerate the configure) |
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| 08:55.55 | ruby002 | ? |
| 08:56.03 | cast | !cdbs |
| 08:56.03 | dpkg | [cdbs] Common Debian Build System, a build system for Debian packages based on Makefile inheritance. Located at http://build-common.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:56.15 | cast | curious |
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| 08:58.18 | goraxe | cast: do you know any other channels where package builders may hang out (ie are these chans aimed at more supporty type stuff?) |
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| 09:09.20 | wildlappy | morning all |
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| 09:13.47 | FuzzyKittens | hello |
| 09:13.57 | FuzzyKittens | not sure if I was tangentcollision when I was in here or not |
| 09:14.17 | FuzzyKittens | but I figured out a workaround for the problem I was having with reboot hang |
| 09:14.19 | FuzzyKittens | reboot -f |
| 09:14.24 | simonrvn | remembers that nick from earlier |
| 09:14.39 | FuzzyKittens | then I am TangentCollision |
| 09:15.05 | FuzzyKittens | hmm, hold on |
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| 09:15.31 | TangentCollision | NO I am TangentCollision |
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| 09:15.44 | cast | but you're the same person |
| 09:15.57 | FuzzyKittens | yeah |
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| 09:16.05 | ranix | this is very silly |
| 09:16.05 | simonrvn | rolls eyes |
| 09:16.20 | FuzzyKittens | two different computers |
| 09:16.23 | FuzzyKittens | anyways |
| 09:17.12 | FuzzyKittens | my server was having issues hanging on "saving the system clock" when reboot was issued, the only reason I need to reboot is if something horrible has gone wrong with the computer |
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| 09:17.24 | FuzzyKittens | so, reboot -f works just fine for me |
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| 09:18.15 | ranix | thanks for sharing |
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| 09:18.38 | FuzzyKittens | I |
| 09:19.06 | FuzzyKittens | 'm going to pretend that was not sarcastic and say "you're welcome, it might come in handy for some random-ass person with a similar issue" |
| 09:19.10 | OpenTokix | FuzzyKittens: http://random.0x7b8.net/pics/digital_cat.gif |
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| 09:21.03 | TangentCollision | OpenTokix: could you repeat that (or are you a bot)? |
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| 09:21.38 | jps_77 | FuzzyKittens: thanks, someone might need that sometime |
| 09:22.17 | TangentCollision | OpenTokix: nevermind, I got it |
| 09:23.05 | OpenTokix | TangentCollision: I am not a bot |
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| 09:24.19 | FuzzyKittens | cool, how might I access the pic database previously linked? the pics folder is apperently locked by .htaccess or sommat |
| 09:25.43 | Gokee2 | Is there any way to install Debian from the netinstall disk using my local mirror of Debian instead of one of the ones in the list? |
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| 09:43.08 | rjd_ | Hi. When scripting apt-get install to run remote on, say, +30 servers, the dialogue windows kinda screws it up. Where do I set the default behaviour (for example yes to all questions)? The apt-get -y doesn't cover all of the dialogues |
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| 09:44.44 | Kamping_Kaiser | debconf, or apt.conf, depending on which you're actually asking about |
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| 09:47.46 | bbelt16ag1 | hey peeps if i nest mounted file ssytems dirextories or samb shares like shareA/ShareB is that a problem? |
| 09:47.57 | itsosimpo | hey anyone using iceweasel? |
| 09:48.40 | teatimeh | bbelt16ag1: you can mount a filesystem on any directory; preferrably an empty directory. if you mount onto a non-empty directory, by default that directory's contents will be hidden/unavailable until you unmount the filesystem. |
| 09:48.44 | itsosimpo | i'm having trouble playing videos at the same time |
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| 09:49.21 | teatimeh | bbelt16ag1: I'm honestly not sure what would happen if someone on another host deleted the parent directories. |
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| 09:49.35 | bbelt16ag1 | hmm |
| 09:49.51 | bbelt16ag1 | well i removed them from the directory. |
| 09:49.55 | bbelt16ag1 | so we good. |
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| 09:51.13 | Supaplex | teatimeh: even as root, you'd get something like rm: cannot remove directory `aewfadfad': Device or resource busy |
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| 09:54.10 | Supaplex | I don't always have /boot mounted. it's usually chattr +i so kernel updates require me to mount it. one box in piticular uses a cf card for /boot - rest is raid+lvm |
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| 09:58.05 | ribasushi | hi |
| 09:58.13 | ribasushi | I used this to disable ipv6 before: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-how-to-disable-the-ipv6-protocol.html |
| 09:58.30 | ribasushi | now that I upgraded to kernel 2.6.32 it no longer works |
| 09:59.09 | ribasushi | what changed? |
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| 10:02.23 | itsosimpo | yeah i can't play two videos simultaneously using iceweasel |
| 10:02.27 | dutchfish | ribasushi, are you running squeeze on KDE? |
| 10:02.56 | ribasushi | dutchfish: >.< |
| 10:03.03 | dutchfish | ribasushi, ? |
| 10:03.37 | ribasushi | you run KDE on squeeze, and no, I am running a sid system without a DE |
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| 10:04.08 | Supaplex | !tell ribasushi -about disable ipv6 |
| 10:04.49 | ribasushi | Supaplex++ |
| 10:05.55 | Supaplex | :) |
| 10:10.50 | dutchfish | ribasushi, Currently 00local will only be read first by chance because modprobe is sourcing /etc/modprobe.d in filesystem and not in alphabetical order (see Debian bug #397765). |
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| 10:11.24 | ribasushi | dutchfish: Supaplex answered already |
| 10:11.41 | dutchfish | just an explanation why the old way didnt work |
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| 10:11.58 | dutchfish | >.< |
| 10:12.02 | Supaplex | based on his comment, the old way appeared to work. |
| 10:12.10 | Supaplex | !disable ipv6 |
| 10:12.10 | dpkg | [noipv6] To disable use of <IPv6> on Lenny and Etch: echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/local.conf (and reboot for the changes to take effect). From Squeeze onwards, IPv6 is built into the kernel, add the kernel command line option "ipv6.disable=1" to your bootloader. |
| 10:12.28 | dutchfish | Supaplex, it can get you in trouble only blacklisting it ;) |
| 10:13.00 | Supaplex | every so often I down the ipv6 address on my interface, and i'm done. |
| 10:13.26 | dutchfish | echo "install ipv6 /bin/true" > /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 10:13.34 | dutchfish | cheers |
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| 10:14.59 | dutchfish | Supaplex, if you by accident run KDE there is some more to it |
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| 10:15.51 | dutchfish | Supaplex, KDE_NO_IPV6=true in /etc/environment |
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| 10:15.58 | Supaplex | it's never caused me more than a few minutes of annoyance |
| 10:16.26 | dutchfish | sure, but it can make havoc on iptables load |
| 10:16.42 | Supaplex | huh? |
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| 10:17.04 | dutchfish | at least in kernel >2.6.31 |
| 10:18.07 | Supaplex | my box locks up on 2.6.2x after a few hours of use. .18 is rock solid (everything else is lenny) so I'll just keep using the oldstable kernel for now. |
| 10:18.32 | Supaplex | iptables is hardly an issue, as I have that covered at my gateway |
| 10:19.01 | dutchfish | still, i only want you to know, you can delve it up in the lkml |
| 10:19.21 | Supaplex | good to know. |
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| 10:22.59 | RichiH | is there a way to determine what SSL/TLS cipher suites a particular isntallation of openvpn supports? |
| 10:23.13 | ffrank | hi. apt insists my Packages.gz had a Hash Sum mismatch, but running md5sum against it yields the same sum as present in the Release file. ideas? |
| 10:23.14 | RichiH | jelly: obscure question man to the rescue! ;) |
| 10:24.37 | ribasushi | I <3 fsvs |
| 10:24.43 | Supaplex | fail :( No manual entry for jelly, or dougnut. |
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| 10:25.49 | jelly | hides |
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| 10:26.44 | RichiH | found it |
| 10:26.49 | RichiH | jelly: thanks, though :) |
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| 10:30.01 | ffrank | what? apt-get update says, "Get ... Packages [2197B]", which is in fact the size of Packages.gz...? |
| 10:30.55 | bbelt16ag1 | yum mickie D |
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| 10:30.59 | bbelt16ag1 | d'S |
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| 10:33.56 | NoReflex | Anyone here with a Samba file server? I want to know if samba supports virtual users (users not defined as local users) - much like proftpd. |
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| 10:38.16 | the-dude | NoReflex: you can use a non-posix backend |
| 10:38.44 | dutchfish | NoReflex, it depends on wich backend is being used for authentication, and if samba is running user or share modus |
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| 10:40.13 | dutchfish | NoReflex, ldap would be one way to do that, there are others |
| 10:41.23 | ambuli | what is the this +0m5 along with version number ?? |
| 10:41.54 | NoReflex | there are about 25 computers in the workgroup - i would like to have a folder for each computer and inside that folder other folders to which access is based on read - write options and user access permissions - a few users have access to the folder ; the others don't |
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| 10:44.13 | dutchfish | NoReflex, the simple solution to that is still use unix users and disable there shell access with referring to /bin/false, the rest is a piece of cake, samba/ldap is too much work for only 25 users to my likings |
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| 10:45.24 | dutchfish | NoReflex, that way they can still have there samba home dirs |
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| 10:47.27 | NoReflex | dutchfish: I don't understand how I can give 12 users read access to a folder, 5 user rw-access to that folder and deny the access completely to the folder for 8 users |
| 10:48.56 | dutchfish | NoReflex, thats documented pretty well in the samba docs, give the use 7 and the group only read execute acces to those dirs they share but only the owner can change, for all write its simply 775 and make groups for the users that have access |
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| 10:49.43 | dutchfish | NoReflex, you can let samba execute policies based on user and groups |
| 10:49.51 | ffrank | NoReflex: if complex ACLs are your issue, you may want to consider alternatives to samba (specifically, AFS, but that implies some effort) |
| 10:49.52 | dutchfish | NoReflex, end of story |
| 10:50.20 | NoReflex | dutchfish: what do you mean by "let samba execute policies based on user and groups"? |
| 10:50.40 | dutchfish | NoReflex, @user @roup (read the samba docs) |
| 10:50.50 | dutchfish | s/@roup/@group |
| 10:51.10 | NoReflex | ok dutchfish thx |
| 10:51.15 | dutchfish | NoReflex, yw |
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| 10:53.46 | dutchfish | NoReflex, one more tip, you can force a certain user/group on those dirs everyone from your group has right access to; so you dir does not get cluthered with all kind of ACLs |
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| 10:54.33 | dutchfish | NoReflex, handy when you also make backups and restores ;) |
| 10:55.23 | NoReflex | There will be backups (blood) :D |
| 10:55.51 | dutchfish | NoReflex, ;) |
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| 10:57.25 | ffrank | btw, apt problems were due to mismatch between Packages and Packages.gz >< |
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| 11:12.22 | eagles0513875 | hey guys i have a question about the xm-debian.cfg file where is that supposed to be put or is it necessary in setting up a guest os? |
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| 11:13.09 | eagles0513875 | hey Deathvalley122 |
| 11:13.36 | eagles0513875 | Deathvalley122: looking at the command xm -c xm-debian.cfg is automatically created |
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| 11:14.22 | Deathvalley122 | lol |
| 11:14.57 | eagles0513875 | i think |
| 11:15.48 | joltcan | eagles0513875: I put my cfg's in /etc/xen/domains, and then symlink them to /etc/xen/auto to start them |
| 11:15.57 | joltcan | (+when booted) |
| 11:16.17 | eagles0513875 | joltcan: does this command xm create -c xm-debian.cfg install=true install-mirror=ftp://ftp.XX.debian.org/debian create the cfg file or am i mistaken? |
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| 11:17.00 | joltcan | eagles0513875: No idea |
| 11:17.10 | eagles0513875 | joltcan: how did you create the vm |
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| 11:17.26 | eagles0513875 | did you use something like this xen-create-image --hostname=vanila --size=8Gb --dist=lenny --memory=512M --ide --dhcp ? |
| 11:17.46 | joltcan | eagles0513875: manually, by reading this: http://wiki.debian.org/Xen |
| 11:18.03 | eagles0513875 | joltcan: im on that already that is where im listing these commands |
| 11:18.05 | eagles0513875 | from |
| 11:18.21 | joltcan | but I guess that should work then, I just copied some file (tm) and created the disk and stuff manually |
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| 11:18.26 | eagles0513875 | what has me worried is acdientally over writing the domO by mistake |
| 11:18.31 | joltcan | So I don't really know |
| 11:18.38 | eagles0513875 | its ok |
| 11:18.48 | eagles0513875 | any xen experts in here right now i need some help |
| 11:19.01 | joltcan | I don't see how that would overwrite dom0, the install would be targeted to the target disk (or lvm or whatever you have set) |
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| 11:19.31 | eagles0513875 | joltcan: this is whats got me apprehensive and why im checking before i do anything WARNING, if you do not change the hard disks option on xm-debian.cfg this WILL overwrite your dom0 instead of installing to your domU. YOUR MACHINE WILL BE DESTROYED. |
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| 11:21.47 | joltcan | eagles0513875: Well, have you changed the drive specified in xm-debian.cfg? |
| 11:22.31 | joltcan | eagles0513875: disk = ['phy:hda1,xvda,w'], should be wherever you want to have the domU installed |
| 11:22.32 | eagles0513875 | no as i dont have that cfg file yet |
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| 11:23.47 | joltcan | eagles0513875: so, are you using xen-create-image or xm create -c ? |
| 11:24.01 | eagles0513875 | ahhh ok that explains what those commands do |
| 11:24.14 | eagles0513875 | just wanted to make sure thats what those did |
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| 11:25.06 | joltcan | eagles0513875: sure. xen-create-image would create all that stuff for you, and thus not overwrite your hda1. But you should probably add a --dir to specify where to put it |
| 11:25.30 | eagles0513875 | where would you recommend putting them |
| 11:26.04 | joltcan | eagles0513875: depends on your drive layout and where you have space |
| 11:26.27 | eagles0513875 | ok |
| 11:26.31 | joltcan | eagles0513875: so maybe in /home? or /opt? or /my-shiny-spare-drive-that-I-only-use-for-xen-hosts |
| 11:26.40 | eagles0513875 | hehe |
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| 11:27.50 | joltcan | eagles0513875: I usually use LVM instead of files, since I rely on IO speed for my hosts |
| 11:28.10 | eagles0513875 | thing is im setting this up on a remote dedicated server i dont have much choice on lay out :( |
| 11:28.18 | joltcan | eagles0513875: But I'll go to lunch now, so you have to google that if you are interested |
| 11:28.22 | joltcan | eagles0513875: good luck |
| 11:28.39 | eagles0513875 | thanks for your help and answering my stupid question |
| 11:29.16 | aiyu | currently my fan doesnt turn on in debian, shud i deselect laptop from tasksel and see if it works. will it help |
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| 11:30.43 | silensius | how can install gnome extra on debian lenny |
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| 11:36.14 | babilen | silensius: What is gnome extra? |
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| 11:42.10 | Juanma_ | Hello, can I install debian in an external hdd? |
| 11:44.09 | ffrank | Juanma_: i don't see why you wouldn't. i can imagine bootloader trickiness, but apart from that, the install process should have mass storage support, as should the kernel image |
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| 11:45.18 | Juanma_ | I am really noob, it was a question to start, for example I think you cant install windows on external hdd |
| 11:45.55 | ffrank | Juanma_: that may be true, but i'm not sure. |
| 11:46.24 | ffrank | what i do know is that there are people who carry a barebones debian around on their usb key... |
| 11:47.10 | Teaboy`work | that's a good idea |
| 11:47.19 | the-dude | it can be done with effort, but I doubt a noob will be able to get it working |
| 11:47.42 | Juanma_ | I see the problem will be the bootloader |
| 11:48.11 | ffrank | erm...those aren't really famous last words... |
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| 11:55.34 | itsosimpo | konqueror |
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| 12:01.29 | sphenxes | is there a way to stop keyring from poping up everytime i start my computer? |
| 12:03.10 | reto` | sphenxes: don't use gnome? ;) |
| 12:03.26 | sphenxes | reto`, :( |
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| 12:09.11 | ansu | How can i know if fan is running |
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| 12:12.04 | qwd | ansu: listen or look? |
| 12:12.49 | ffrank | /troutslap qwd |
| 12:13.03 | ansu | qwd, i am trying i dont get much inference from it. It like not moving |
| 12:13.24 | ansu | I there a technical way |
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| 12:13.49 | fkefer | Aye, lot's of people in here, maybe someone who can help me... |
| 12:14.07 | fkefer | i try compiling qt 4.6 on a powerpc / debian lenny |
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| 12:14.49 | Selveste1_ | Hey Im installing Debian Lenny, is it possible to install custom kernels and openssh-server under install of debian, or do I have to wait until after install ? |
| 12:15.06 | babilen | ansu: Have a look at /proc/acpi ... I have a file /proc/acpi/ibm/fan in there. You might find something similar |
| 12:15.16 | fkefer | however, it fails on "ld" for libQtWebKit.so.4.6.0] |
| 12:15.40 | fkefer | segfault... |
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| 12:16.09 | fkefer | is this supposingly a problem with ld/binutils or an error with qt (or might it just be that i run out of memory or so?) |
| 12:16.09 | babilen | Selveste1_: You could create your own install CD. |
| 12:16.39 | robin_sz | so, remind me, I have backports in my sources list, and I want to pull a package and its dependencies from backports instead of lenny .. I type apt-get someting? |
| 12:16.39 | qwd | Selveste1_: guess you could do it with FAI (which I never used) but if you're already installing you might as well install that when it's done |
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| 12:17.07 | qwd | robin_sz: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
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| 12:17.15 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 12:17.56 | robin_sz | okies, ta. I'll read the instruction page :) |
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| 12:18.53 | babilen | robin_sz: "aptitude install -t lenny-backports <shrubbery>" |
| 12:18.58 | robin_sz | yay! easy |
| 12:19.12 | babilen | robin_sz: But check the instructions first (GPG key, et al) |
| 12:20.05 | robin_sz | now to see if the new version of pigin connects to MSN ... |
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| 12:21.07 | gmarselis | where's debian offtopic? |
| 12:21.29 | cast | debian-offtopic |
| 12:21.39 | cast | add a #, win great prizes |
| 12:22.17 | gmarselis | the winnar |
| 12:22.18 | gmarselis | is you |
| 12:22.29 | gmarselis | kk. i just installed xen on my own for the first time |
| 12:22.38 | gmarselis | xend is not up and running |
| 12:23.07 | gmarselis | besides the apt-get i got no clue how to start slicing this machine into domains |
| 12:23.11 | babilen | gmarselis: that's bad. considered kvm? |
| 12:23.11 | gmarselis | i can has clue? |
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| 12:23.22 | gmarselis | kvm? |
| 12:23.25 | gmarselis | hardware? |
| 12:23.30 | cast | why is xen bad? |
| 12:23.36 | gmarselis | xen is not bad |
| 12:23.39 | cast | or is not having a clue bad, mm |
| 12:23.46 | gmarselis | not having a clue == bad |
| 12:23.50 | gmarselis | hence the asking |
| 12:23.56 | babilen | it requires specific kernels .. and AFAIK the latest XEN kernel is outdated |
| 12:24.16 | gmarselis | i could compile a kernel of my onw |
| 12:24.16 | gmarselis | own |
| 12:24.17 | cast | only requires specific kernels for dom0 |
| 12:24.22 | cast | domU can be whatever, |
| 12:24.26 | gmarselis | kk |
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| 12:24.38 | gmarselis | i got a supply of $20k dell workstations |
| 12:24.40 | ffrank | cast: uhm - really? |
| 12:24.48 | gmarselis | they got intel vt on them |
| 12:24.51 | gmarselis | and i turned it on |
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| 12:24.54 | babilen | kvm is a kernel module that takes advantage of hardware virtualisation .. It's actually pretty easy and works well with virt-manager |
| 12:25.01 | xreal | Hi there. Is there any nice tutorial for setting up LVN when installing Debian? |
| 12:25.02 | cast | ffrank: sure, now that we have HW virtualization extensions :) |
| 12:25.17 | babilen | cast: yes, I was talking about dom0 |
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| 12:25.32 | gmarselis | babilen: eek! virt-manager sucks! |
| 12:25.38 | gmarselis | libvirt == EVIL |
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| 12:25.47 | ffrank | gmarselis: how so? |
| 12:25.49 | gmarselis | used it in fedora |
| 12:25.55 | babilen | gmarselis: why is that? |
| 12:25.56 | gmarselis | *shiver* |
| 12:26.12 | gmarselis | i just don't like it. it was getting stuck every other day |
| 12:26.20 | gmarselis | lost a webserver to that thing |
| 12:26.45 | ffrank | that's not quite so specific as to help me form an opinion :P |
| 12:26.51 | cast | xreal: the installer can automagically setup LVM for you |
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| 12:27.26 | babilen | yeah, but kvm != virt-manager ... it's worth having a look and try the alternatives. I found kvm to do everything i needed |
| 12:27.32 | eagles0513875 | hey guys i have another questino |
| 12:27.37 | eagles0513875 | regarding xen on debian |
| 12:27.53 | cast | gmarselis: what makes these work stations worth 20k? |
| 12:27.57 | ffrank | my first tries with libvirt were quite promising for my tastes |
| 12:28.02 | eagles0513875 | if i use this command xen-create-image --hostname=vanila --size=8Gb --dist=lenny --memory=512M --ide --dhcp how do i then specify what distro i want installed on the guest |
| 12:28.06 | cast | thats entry level server territory innit |
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| 12:28.21 | gmarselis | cast: somebody's cousin was involved in the purchace |
| 12:28.33 | gmarselis | cast: so the price was jacked up 30% |
| 12:28.45 | gmarselis | they got 24gb of ram and dual quad core xeons |
| 12:28.51 | gmarselis | (and a single sata disk) |
| 12:28.54 | cast | ahh, nice |
| 12:28.59 | cast | 8GB dimms? |
| 12:29.01 | gmarselis | yeah :) |
| 12:29.06 | gmarselis | no, 2gb |
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| 12:29.10 | gmarselis | additional memory board |
| 12:29.10 | eagles0513875 | any xen gurus in here |
| 12:29.17 | cast | 8GB dimms are pricy pricy |
| 12:29.19 | gmarselis | eagles0513875: no, we've all gone home |
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| 12:29.35 | cast | so what are the work stations for? |
| 12:29.36 | gmarselis | why does everybody ask for "the gurus"? |
| 12:29.49 | ffrank | !guru |
| 12:29.50 | dpkg | guru is, like, (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades for ... |
| 12:29.50 | babilen | open the door to the #debian-offtopic cafe and serves a couple of cappuccinos |
| 12:29.50 | gmarselis | back in ye old efnet days, that'd be a /kill from dianora |
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| 12:30.10 | EvilGuru | I run a Debian Squeeze system. I wish to create a bootable flash drive from an .iso. Which method will give me the least grief? Debian lacks usb-creator (the Ubuntu util) |
| 12:30.16 | gmarselis | babilen: i got iced cappucino here |
| 12:30.37 | gmarselis | cast: number crunching in DNA research |
| 12:30.41 | eagles0513875 | gmarselis: im after someone whose used xen on debian before |
| 12:30.47 | eagles0513875 | i need some help with setting up guests |
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| 12:30.53 | gmarselis | eagles0513875: then say so. don't say guru |
| 12:30.56 | eagles0513875 | this is my question yet again if i use this command xen-create-image --hostname=vanila --size=8Gb --dist=lenny --memory=512M --ide --dhcp how do i then specify what distro i want installed on the guest |
| 12:30.57 | babilen | gmarselis: sounds like coffee flavoured milk .. but the important part was the off-topic one ;-) |
| 12:31.02 | eagles0513875 | sry gmarselis |
| 12:31.05 | gmarselis | you sound like a marketing guy |
| 12:31.09 | eagles0513875 | who me |
| 12:31.23 | gmarselis | anybody, that says "i need a guru", tbh |
| 12:31.28 | cast | gmarselis: ahh, so why the xen? |
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| 12:31.42 | eagles0513875 | oh |
| 12:31.43 | eagles0513875 | ill be back :( |
| 12:32.27 | babilen | !tell eagles0513875 -about xen |
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| 12:32.47 | babilen | eagles0513875: that should get you started. Have a look at the wiki page and/or ask in the xen channel .. |
| 12:32.58 | gmarselis | cast: cuz they have money to buy a 20k workstation, but not a 2k server |
| 12:33.27 | gmarselis | cast: long story. let's just say i'm located in the middle east :) |
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| 12:35.11 | gmarselis | hokay |
| 12:35.13 | gmarselis | back to xen |
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| 12:35.28 | gmarselis | so, in order to start dom0, i need a -xen kernel |
| 12:35.36 | CaTa | hy |
| 12:35.40 | CaTa | server oN? |
| 12:35.43 | CaTa | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:35.50 | ffrank | CaTa: yeS |
| 12:35.56 | CaTa | at me is off |
| 12:35.56 | CaTa | D |
| 12:36.02 | CaTa | why? |
| 12:36.02 | CaTa | \ |
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| 12:36.08 | CaTa | i need svr new? |
| 12:36.30 | CaTa | Ffrank |
| 12:36.33 | gmarselis | r, olh h ellada sto #debian :D |
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| 12:36.55 | ffrank | shrugs |
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| 12:37.33 | gmarselis | do i need package kvm in order to run xen? |
| 12:37.43 | cast | nah |
| 12:37.48 | EvilGuru | Hmm, there must be some way of converting an .iso to an .img, or at least a utility that will do it |
| 12:37.52 | gmarselis | cast <3 |
| 12:38.05 | ffrank | gmarselis: in the way that you need to package windows to boot linux =) |
| 12:38.09 | pfsmorigo | hello... How do I create a patch that remove or add files? I made a patch from a diff but the deleted files were not removed after patching... |
| 12:38.27 | gmarselis | ffrank: hehe :D gotcha |
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| 12:39.10 | gmarselis | i apologise for my (relevant) clulessness on running xen. i relaly appreciate your time :) |
| 12:39.27 | cast | wellllllll past me bed time |
| 12:39.31 | cast | night night |
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| 12:43.09 | CaTa | Man |
| 12:43.12 | CaTa | why server is off? |
| 12:43.15 | CaTa | when is on? |
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| 12:43.38 | petemc | try asking questions that make sense |
| 12:44.03 | parito | stop smoking weed |
| 12:44.09 | CaTa | parito? |
| 12:44.11 | CaTa | its oN? |
| 12:44.13 | CaTa | ?? |
| 12:44.24 | CaTa | hy |
| 12:44.24 | CaTa | :D |
| 12:44.27 | CaTa | LLL |
| 12:44.27 | CaTa | : |
| 12:44.27 | CaTa | :@ |
| 12:44.27 | ffrank | /ignore CaTa |
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| 12:44.30 | ffrank | oops |
| 12:44.48 | Hoxzer | :D ......... |
| 12:44.52 | xreal | I am using Netinstall. Is it better to install KDE from the beginning or install it later? |
| 12:45.18 | petemc | xreal: it doesnt really matter |
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| 12:45.47 | xreal | petemc: Is there a way to look up, which packages the installer loads? |
| 12:46.18 | petemc | !tasksel |
| 12:46.19 | dpkg | [tasksel] a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
| 12:46.37 | xreal | oh thanks |
| 12:47.14 | xreal | oh, desktop does Desktop? |
| 12:47.16 | xreal | eeh Gnome? |
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| 12:47.47 | xreal | http://wiki.debian.org/KDE?action=show&redirect=DebianKDE |
| 12:47.50 | xreal | ah, there it is |
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| 12:50.07 | rooisto47 | does anyone have a tuto on how to build your unique debian os (i mean install a base system in begin and add needed software one by one i.e. : Xorg --> obox -->iceweasel ) ?? |
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| 12:55.14 | ffrank | rooisto47: just unselect all tasks during installation |
| 12:55.38 | ffrank | rooisto47: then in the running system, use your favourite package manager to add what you want |
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| 12:56.16 | ffrank | rooisto47: apt-get is recommended, and apt-cache is quite powerful for finding stuff |
| 12:56.43 | cast | isn't aptitude recommended |
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| 12:57.04 | cast | [since woody perhaps] |
| 12:57.09 | rooisto47 | ffrank: I new to debian (comming from ubuntu) and want build a minimalist system so I don't know what software I really need |
| 12:57.27 | ffrank | cast: that's not what i heard ;) but i'm on sid, so that may be different |
| 12:57.53 | gmarselis | ok, xen question again: do i install xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 or xen-linux-system-2.6.26-2-amd64 in dom0 ? |
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| 12:58.15 | adb | ffrank, you on sidux ... |
| 12:58.38 | ffrank | adb: ehm yeah ;) not quite sid after all |
| 12:58.56 | adb | so , aptitude in debian |
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| 12:59.53 | ffrank | i used aptitude on testing back in the day, but i've found apt to be preferable recently. (what with being a console whore etc.) |
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| 13:00.22 | cast | being a console whore has nothing to do with apt-get vs aptitude :\ |
| 13:00.25 | gmarselis | *confued* |
| 13:00.31 | gmarselis | console whore ftw |
| 13:00.37 | gmarselis | *confused* even |
| 13:00.56 | ffrank | cast: right i forget - aptitude can run noninteractively too? |
| 13:01.08 | cast | aptitude install foo |
| 13:01.42 | ffrank | is gonna read about reasons for using aptitude |
| 13:01.42 | cast | having that sometimes handy ncurses interfaces seems to fuck up it's popularity, since people assume they cant use it like apt-get |
| 13:01.57 | gmarselis | xen question: do i need xen-hypervisor-3.2-1-amd64 in order to run xen? ( i think yes, i do). and if i do, do i need to install linux-image-2.6.26-2-xen-amd64 |
| 13:02.00 | cast | i think in sid apt-get is much more smarter than it used to be |
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| 13:02.13 | ffrank | cast: ah, so that's the reason then |
| 13:02.14 | cast | traditionally aptitude has been smarter, |
| 13:02.38 | cast | i suspect the gap has closed a bit, but not sure |
| 13:02.51 | ffrank | for sid, aptitude is supposed to be unable to perform clean dist-upgrades |
| 13:03.09 | cast | hopefully apt-get understands manually vs automatically installed packages |
| 13:03.13 | cast | [now] |
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| 13:03.49 | ffrank | indeed it does. but i admit, before learning about apt-get autoremove, i'd fire up the aptitude interface to get rid of packages + deps >< |
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| 13:04.26 | cast | logging, is handy too |
| 13:04.37 | ffrank | but you can autoremove in lenny, too |
| 13:05.33 | ffrank | glances at /var/log/apt/ |
| 13:05.39 | ffrank | looks alright |
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| 13:06.50 | Tapout2 | I source compiled postgresql 8.4.2. I wanted to install 'ptop' but it wanted to install postgresql 8.3 ... anyone know what the best move to do? I probably should just source compile ptop |
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| 13:07.47 | cast | you can have two copies of postgresql installed |
| 13:08.08 | cast | wonder if ptop will talk to it though, |
| 13:09.23 | adb | Tapout2, install 'ptop' w/o recommends .. |
| 13:10.02 | Tapout2 | abd, how? |
| 13:10.07 | Tapout2 | it forces the recommendations |
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| 13:10.26 | adb | man aptitude |
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| 13:11.43 | Tapout2 | ahh i see, thanks |
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| 13:16.19 | inckie | what is the easiest way to patch debian net install iso, with non-free firmware files on Windows? |
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| 13:17.34 | Stereo | inckie: the easiest is to install just like that, load the firmware .deb from an usb key, install, reboot |
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| 13:21.17 | ZelW | hey guys noob here lawl, still having an issue with samba and filesharing to a vista machine |
| 13:22.31 | inckie | Stereo im not near the datacenter, it's a hp blade |
| 13:22.35 | inckie | using a broadcom NIC |
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| 13:23.11 | inckie | so i dont have access to it's USB ports |
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| 13:40.23 | ambuli | given an executable file name how to find which package it is from ?? |
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| 13:42.44 | Justin | !+search |
| 13:42.44 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. 'apt-cache search regex', or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): 'dpkg -S /bin/foo', <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and <help find> (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt and ask me about <bot help>. |
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| 13:54.54 | xreal | Shall I use LVM or not? |
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| 13:56.04 | ffrank | yes, and you should get married before the year ends. |
| 13:56.26 | xreal | ... |
| 13:56.48 | xreal | Is it possible to put /home/ on another partition AND use LVM the same time? |
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| 13:57.44 | ffrank | i think so |
| 13:58.32 | ffrank | from what i understand, your lvm volumes are just another set or partitions, from system perspective |
| 13:59.56 | xreal | mmh okay, then I need to create /home/ first |
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| 14:00.16 | xreal | A short question: How the hell can I exit "partimage"? ;-) |
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| 14:00.43 | xreal | F6! |
| 14:00.45 | xreal | finally ;-) |
| 14:02.50 | spldart | Argh bleck... I've been using the weather app that comes in debian with gnome that you add to your toolbar for years... The Houston area recently upgraded it's metro area being defined with galveston in favor of Sugar Land in favor of it's massive growth. But now sugar land is no longer in the list of locations available in weather app 2.28.0. FOUL FOUL! hehehehe |
| 14:03.33 | eagles0513875 | spldart: im from houston lol |
| 14:03.40 | spldart | :) |
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| 14:04.28 | spldart | Then you know that now we define it as Houston, Sugar Land, Baytown metro |
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| 14:05.21 | spldart | But just as Sugar Land gets some recognition locally for it's size and influence we get dropped from the weather apps list... Such extreme insult! ;) |
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| 14:05.49 | encrypttp | is there any known tool to stream(keep reading) some file and perform some action accordingly to output? |
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| 14:06.09 | ffrank | tail -f ? |
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| 14:06.29 | encrypttp | i mean like a daemon |
| 14:06.31 | eagles0513875 | spldart: first time im hearing it to be honest as im in europe studying im kinda outa the houston news loop |
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| 14:06.49 | spldart | Ah. heh kewl |
| 14:07.08 | eagles0513875 | i need someone whose versed in xen as i still have a few questions about it is i am a novice when it comes to setting it up |
| 14:07.21 | ffrank | encrypttp: none that i know of. i guess many people just roll their own, anyway |
| 14:07.31 | encrypttp | ok thans |
| 14:07.31 | encrypttp | k |
| 14:07.42 | eagles0513875 | spldart: you have any idea about xen |
| 14:08.07 | spldart | Nopers.. outside my field of experience. sry |
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| 14:08.34 | spldart | My latest endeavor has been getting everything under the sun installed in linux using vbox. Been fun |
| 14:08.59 | spldart | Even windows 98se in debian |
| 14:10.11 | eagles0513875 | rofl |
| 14:10.14 | eagles0513875 | windows = ftl |
| 14:10.20 | eagles0513875 | if i wasnt a gamer this monster desktop would be linux |
| 14:10.26 | eagles0513875 | kubuntu |
| 14:10.29 | sandman | I have a system with 2 HDD drives, but no CD/DVD drive. I want to install Debian on it, but Ubuntu is currently installed. |
| 14:10.49 | sandman | Would it be possible to somehow download the business card ISO onto the 2nd HDD |
| 14:11.01 | sandman | Or extract its contents to the second HDD< and boot from that? |
| 14:11.02 | eagles0513875 | running debian as xen host os or domO trying to figure out how on earth to get guest os's setup as domU's on xen |
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| 14:12.44 | Stereo | inckie: that sucks |
| 14:13.25 | sandman | Impossible eh |
| 14:13.33 | ffrank | sandman: put the iso somewhere on your disk and boot it using grub |
| 14:13.37 | ffrank | more or less :) |
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| 14:14.59 | ffrank | sandman: is the netinstall OK for you? |
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| 14:17.19 | eagles0513875 | gmarselis: was it you who linked me to debian-xen channel on the other network? |
| 14:18.10 | ffrank | sandman: http://pastie.org/753091 is two grub sections, one boots a live CD image from disk (but requires a kernel), the other boots the lenny netinstall image from disk |
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| 14:20.25 | aiyu | hello, how can i find whether fan is detected or not |
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| 14:21.07 | sg | how can i install debian squeeze from a lenny netboot cd? |
| 14:21.14 | sg | (if that's even possible) |
| 14:21.22 | Titan8990 | sg, expert install mode |
| 14:21.34 | ffrank | aiyu: this is probably dependent on your specific acpi drivers |
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| 14:22.07 | aiyu | ffrank: is acpi linux part or bios part? |
| 14:22.37 | ffrank | aiyu: err, you got me. both? :) |
| 14:23.22 | Hoxzer | Is there a easy way to setup 32bit chroot on 64bit system? |
| 14:23.43 | aiyu | ffrank: :) i have been around with this issue in this channel for thast 32 hrs :) |
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| 14:24.16 | aiyu | ffrank: can i see acpi fan details |
| 14:24.25 | stew | Hoxzer: debootstrap --arch=1386 suite directory |
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| 14:24.41 | ffrank | aiyu: i'm not sure wether fan control is at all possible. you should be visiting tech sites or #linux instead of here i guess |
| 14:24.50 | Hoxzer | stew: What are the suite and the directory? |
| 14:25.13 | aiyu | ffrank: i dont need to control it, just want to know if its running or not. |
| 14:25.14 | stew | Hoxzer: suite is something like "lenny" or "squeeze" or "testing", directory is where you want the chroot to be created |
| 14:25.23 | Hoxzer | stew: Cool, thanks |
| 14:25.46 | stew | Hoxzer: you also might want to specify which mirror to use (see debootstrap manpage) |
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| 14:26.06 | aiyu | ffrank: i used dellfand, it helps me take control but the thing is, the rpm doesnt change for low or high speed mode, its fixed at 96400 |
| 14:26.44 | ffrank | aiyu: doesn't sound like a debian-related issue at all |
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| 14:28.19 | sg | Titan8990: how would i go about doing that? |
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| 14:30.59 | Titan8990 | !install guide |
| 14:31.00 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 14:32.36 | Titan8990 | sg, it should be visable from the CD's boot screen |
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| 14:34.13 | hojda_ | Do I find help here to know why my system sounds works, but frozen bubble are silent ? |
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| 14:34.41 | sg | Tiffon: true, but i don't see how expert-installing lenny will help me get squeeze...what extra step do i need to take? |
| 14:35.03 | Titan8990 | sg, it has you manually select/type the repo |
| 14:35.07 | Titan8990 | sg, pick one for squeeze |
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| 14:35.36 | sg | ah. thank you :) |
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| 14:49.54 | lixus | i often see this in boot configs like grub menu.lst or pxelinux.cfg: initrd=/install.amd/gtk/initrd.gz -- quiet |
| 14:50.07 | lixus | what is the special meaning of the double dash -- ? |
| 14:51.12 | lixus | I usually know -- as "disable furhter option processing" but then the "quiet" makes no sense after the -- ? |
| 14:51.16 | sandman | What's the easiest way to associate hd1 with /dev/sdb in grub? |
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| 14:54.55 | Titan8990 | sander, /dev/sdb is hd1 |
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| 14:55.06 | sandman | I have sda and sdb on my system. Couldn't I just create an entry using root (hd1,0)? |
| 14:55.19 | sandman | Or must I first associate sdb with hd1 somehow? |
| 14:55.38 | sandman | Basically, I have a second hard drive, sdb, with only one partition created on it. |
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| 14:55.54 | sandman | On this partition is vmlinuz initrd.img and the debian AMD64 businesscard image |
| 14:56.22 | sandman | So, I have a grub entry that goes like this: |
| 14:57.03 | sandman | title Debian AMD64 Installer ISO |
| 14:57.03 | sandman | root (hd1,0) |
| 14:57.03 | sandman | kernel /vmlinuz boot=fll quiet vga=791 fromiso=/debian-503-amd64-businesscard.iso |
| 14:57.03 | sandman | initrd /initrd.img |
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| 14:57.39 | sandman | Sorry about that. I didn't think that was going to actually paste 4 lines in sequence like that... was using pidgin. Anyway, did all that get through? |
| 14:58.00 | Stereo | sandman: yes |
| 14:58.14 | sandman | Good. So, it won't boot |
| 14:58.43 | sandman | Don't I have to somehow associate hd1 with sdb? |
| 14:59.18 | Titan8990 | sandman, root (hdx,x) specifies which partition /boot resides on |
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| 14:59.36 | Titan8990 | sandman, setup (hdx) install grub the MBR of the drive specified which chainloads grub on /boot |
| 14:59.38 | sandman | Oh |
| 14:59.52 | Titan8990 | sandman, grub in the MBR does not need to be on the same drive as /boot |
| 14:59.58 | sayanriju | sander, sure it shouldn't be "kernel /boot/vmlinuz ..." ? |
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| 15:00.18 | sandman | sayanriju: Well, like I said there's only one partition on te second drive, and nothing on it but 3 files |
| 15:00.26 | sandman | The ISO image, vmlinuz, and initrd.img |
| 15:00.30 | sandman | So there's no /boot |
| 15:00.42 | Titan8990 | sandman, most likely, you want: `root (hd1,0); setup (hd0)` |
| 15:00.52 | Titan8990 | sandman, there is always a /boot |
| 15:01.05 | sandman | You mean there has to be? |
| 15:01.08 | Titan8990 | sandman, it may not have its own partition, but the dir is always there |
| 15:01.13 | sandman | Because I manually set that up |
| 15:01.21 | sandman | Like I purposely didn't have a /boot on hd1 |
| 15:01.22 | Titan8990 | sandman, yes... thats where grub is installed and your kernel images are |
| 15:01.31 | Titan8990 | sandman, how did you install debian? |
| 15:01.33 | sandman | GRUB is on sda |
| 15:01.37 | Titan8990 | sandman, deboostrap? |
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| 15:01.46 | sandman | Well, I'm _trying_ to install Debian from a default Ubuntu installation |
| 15:01.56 | sandman | A buddy of mine just got a new server, and he's got no CD's/DVD's on hand |
| 15:01.59 | sg | wait is it safe to upgrade a system just by changing "lenny" to "squeeze" in the sources.list file? |
| 15:02.08 | sg | then running apt-get sys-upgrade ofc |
| 15:02.18 | Titan8990 | sandman, so... your doing this how? debootstrap? |
| 15:02.23 | sandman | Only install CD he has right now is an Ubuntu insatll CD. So he installed it, and now he wants to install Debian from within this installation |
| 15:02.36 | Titan8990 | !debootstrap |
| 15:02.37 | dpkg | debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a UNIX/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Installing_new_Debian_systems_with_debootstrap |
| 15:02.37 | sandman | Well, what I'm trying to do is get grub to boot off an ISO |
| 15:02.45 | sandman | So I can overwrite Ubuntu |
| 15:02.48 | Titan8990 | sandman, details are in the install guide |
| 15:03.11 | sandman | I really don't want to install via debootstrap |
| 15:03.21 | sandman | The installer is nice. I want to use that =) |
| 15:03.32 | Titan8990 | sandman, then tftp boot or get a bootable usb |
| 15:03.35 | sandman | I'm so close to getting it to boot off the ISO |
| 15:03.47 | Titan8990 | sander, those use syslinux, not grub |
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| 15:04.00 | Titan8990 | well, for the most part |
| 15:05.03 | Titan8990 | !xy problem |
| 15:05.03 | dpkg | hmm... xy problem is that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem |
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| 15:06.23 | sandman | I'm fully familiar with debootstrap |
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| 15:17.28 | jamesstanley | Does anyone know how to get an OpenVZ kernel from the squeeze repos? |
| 15:18.33 | Titan8990 | jamesstanley, why from the squeeze repos? whats wrong with the one for lenny? |
| 15:18.51 | jamesstanley | Good idea I hadn't thought of that |
| 15:19.00 | jamesstanley | So I need to fiddle with apt-pinning right? |
| 15:19.13 | Titan8990 | jamesstanley, sorry, what release are you currently running? |
| 15:19.18 | jamesstanley | squeeze |
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| 15:21.02 | penta | why it just doesn't wor with my apache? http://pastebin.com/d753c1d07 |
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| 15:21.20 | sandman | I just want to know how to associate /dev/sdb1 with (hd1,0) |
| 15:21.22 | sandman | In GRUB |
| 15:21.34 | sandman | Or is that done automatically |
| 15:21.39 | Titan8990 | sander, root (hd1,0) |
| 15:21.55 | sandman | Right |
| 15:22.08 | sandman | I've done that. It won't boot =) |
| 15:22.21 | Cain | Hi, I just remove pure-ftpd with the commande aptitude --purge remove pure-ftpd but the ftp port is still listening and some pure-ftpd's files still in /usr/sbin AND when i install vsftpd it comes without /etc/vsftpd.conf ! |
| 15:22.52 | Titan8990 | sandman, did you install grub to the MBR? which drive? |
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| 15:23.25 | \amethyst | penta: the thing following SCGIMount should be a URL path, not a filesystem path, according to http://vmlinux.org/cgi-bin/dwww/usr/share/doc/python-scgi/guide.html |
| 15:23.25 | stew | Cain: you want to purge pure-ftpd-common |
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| 15:23.54 | stew | Cain: and the command is "aptitude purge" not "aptitude --purge remove" |
| 15:23.57 | sandman | GRUB is installed to hd0 (/dev/sda |
| 15:24.01 | sandman | The MBR, of course. |
| 15:24.02 | \amethyst | penta: so just /dynamic instead of /mnt/s/httpd_root/dynamic/ on lines 5 and 6 |
| 15:24.35 | \amethyst | penta: (<Location> also wants a URL path, not a filesystem path) |
| 15:24.36 | sandman | I'm merely trying to create an entry to make it boot (hd1,0)/vmlinuz |
| 15:24.45 | Titan8990 | sandman, and what happens when you try to boot? is that first in the BIOS? |
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| 15:24.47 | \amethyst | penta: I've not used scgi, so beyond that I can't really help |
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| 15:25.06 | hojda22 | How to set me as wheel ? |
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| 15:25.27 | sandman | So, I entered these lines: "title Debian AMD64 Installer ISO" \n "root (hd1,0" \n "kernel /vmlinuz boot=fll quiet vga=791 fromiso=/debian/503/amd64-businesscard.iso" \n "initrd /initrd.img" |
| 15:25.33 | sandman | GRUB loads. |
| 15:25.41 | stew | hojda22: what are you hoping to do that you can't currently do? |
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| 15:25.48 | penta | \amethyst: what's difference? |
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| 15:25.54 | stew | hojda22: (debian doesn't use a wheel group by default) |
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| 15:26.06 | Cain | Stew : Oki so to remove a program installed with aptitude install <== aptitude purge ? |
| 15:26.19 | Titan8990 | sandman, you have no root= |
| 15:26.20 | hojda22 | stew, I am currently setting fstab for umask |
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| 15:26.47 | stew | Cain: do you understand the difference between remove and purge? (aptitude has both purge and remove commands) |
| 15:26.49 | odla | hi my debian laptop is connected to the internet but it won't let me browse the internet or even run aptitude update. any reason why? i can ping google.com w/ no problem |
| 15:26.49 | Titan8990 | sandman, and the image is typically vmlinuz-`uname -r` |
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| 15:27.01 | penta | \amethyst: if I did it like here, anyway it doesn't work http://pastebin.com/dcbce302 |
| 15:27.42 | jamesstanley | If I just add a lenny repo to sources.list, will it get things from squeeze if possible, and lenny if not? |
| 15:27.45 | Titan8990 | sander, and what makes you think that it can read that ISO before it has mounted the root filesystem? (which i think your trying to make the rootfs) |
| 15:27.45 | \amethyst | peper: what you wrote says that URLs starting with http://myserver.com/mnt/s/httpd_root/dynamic/ should be dispatched with SCGI |
| 15:27.53 | stew | hojda22: what does this have to do with wheel? |
| 15:27.55 | Zagorax | hello, why apt always fail to update the package list from security e from volatile repository? |
| 15:27.57 | odla | oddly with the dual boot with openbsd on that machine i can connect with openbsd |
| 15:28.01 | Titan8990 | sander, which it also doesn't know what the rootfs should be |
| 15:28.13 | \amethyst | oop |
| 15:28.14 | stew | Zagorax: what error are you getting? |
| 15:28.18 | \amethyst | penta: what you wrote says that URLs starting with http://myserver.com/mnt/s/httpd_root/dynamic/ should be dispatched with SCGI |
| 15:28.32 | Titan8990 | sandman, check msges i just directed at sander... |
| 15:28.34 | sandman | I thought there was no root required with the fromiso directive |
| 15:28.41 | hojda22 | stew, I probably need to set me to a group, to apply 0007 |
| 15:28.41 | Zagorax | stew, no answer from server |
| 15:28.57 | Titan8990 | sandman, I have never used it but I can say that it will not read files on a filesystem that is not mounted |
| 15:29.08 | Cain | stew : purge is removing a program and the conf files ? |
| 15:29.09 | stew | hojda22: you can add yourself to a group with "adduser username groupname", if that is what you are asking |
| 15:29.12 | sandman | I understand it's usually named vmlinuz-* or some such thing, but that's actually the image copied directly from the install.amd/ off the iso |
| 15:29.14 | \amethyst | penta: I don't know if that's the only problem, so I'm not sure if fixing that will make it work or not... if your web root is /mnt/s/httpd_root/, then you'd need just /dynamic as the mount and location |
| 15:29.20 | Titan8990 | sandman, kernel boots -> root filesystem is mounted -> now can read files |
| 15:29.31 | hojda22 | stew, What groups does exists ? |
| 15:29.34 | Zagorax | stew, The repository may no longer be available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and ensure the repository address in the preferences is correct. |
| 15:29.36 | Titan8990 | sandman, your trying to skip that middle step |
| 15:29.44 | stew | Cain: yes, remove will leave the conffiles. so if you've configured pure-ftpd, want to remove it, but might install it later and don't want to have to reconfigure it, you want remove not purge |
| 15:29.58 | stew | Zagorax: what address is giving you that error? |
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| 15:30.30 | penta | \amethyst: I know, but I tries its |
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| 15:30.36 | mdeonte | is back on debian |
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| 15:30.42 | Cain | stew : I see, thx ^^ |
| 15:30.54 | odla | launching the web browser says 'server not found' same thing with aptitude update ... i haven't messed with the settings at all, when i take this machine to a coffee shop w/ a stronger signal it connects fine |
| 15:31.12 | mdeonte | odla: run dhclient |
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| 15:31.32 | odla | mdeonte: i have and it connects |
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| 15:31.40 | odla | mdeonte: i am using network-manager-kde and it connects fine too |
| 15:31.53 | Zagorax | stew, http://paste.debian.net/54675/ |
| 15:32.04 | jelly | !nickometer Zagorax |
| 15:32.04 | mdeonte | odla: can you ping a sute? |
| 15:32.06 | mdeonte | site? |
| 15:32.06 | dpkg | 'Zagorax' is 0.000% lame, jelly |
| 15:32.16 | odla | mdeonte: yes |
| 15:32.20 | hojda22 | stew, wheel does not exists oh .. . :-D How to create group ? |
| 15:32.35 | stew | hojda22: addgroup groupname |
| 15:32.36 | mdeonte | odla: hmm. chck your proxy settings |
| 15:32.44 | Zagorax | jelly, what? |
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| 15:32.53 | stew | Zagorax: looks like you have a routing problem. do those addresses work in a browser for you? |
| 15:33.00 | hojda22 | stew, oh , great :) |
| 15:33.03 | cahewson | what is current kernel configuration command in lenny. Both menuconfig and xconfig have missing deps? |
| 15:33.07 | jelly | Zagorax: I just wondered if your best friend is Chicox |
| 15:33.31 | odla | mdeonte: what should these look like? kcontrol shows my proxy as 'connect to the internet directly' |
| 15:33.49 | jelly | cahewson: is build-essential installed? |
| 15:33.53 | Titan8990 | cahewson, install them. its not default nor normal to configure your own kernel so why would it have it |
| 15:33.54 | stew | cahewson: the dependencies needed to run xconfig and menuconfig are listed as Suggests: for the linux-source packages |
| 15:33.56 | \amethyst | cahewson: one of those... that's why the linux-source-* packages suggest libncurses-dev and libqt3-mt-dev |
| 15:34.04 | \amethyst | cahewson: what stew said |
| 15:34.15 | Titan8990 | stew, you need the ncurses-dev package IIRC |
| 15:34.19 | Titan8990 | for menuconfig |
| 15:34.33 | Titan8990 | oh, im too slow |
| 15:34.57 | odla | mdeonte: should i change timeout values? |
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| 15:35.16 | jelly | stew: hey... did you fix judd to find 2.6.32-trunk-* in sid? |
| 15:35.23 | stew | wut |
| 15:35.26 | Zagorax | stew, they don't |
| 15:35.41 | stew | themill asked me to merge from his git and I didn't, perhaps that would fix it |
| 15:35.43 | stew | i'll give it a shot |
| 15:36.10 | stew | Zagorax: well it seems that you have a routing issue, I don't know enough about ipv6 to help you |
| 15:36.11 | jelly | stew: the kernels command fails to find a trunk kernel that's currently in [...] ah, writing too slow |
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| 15:37.11 | cahewson | dpkg -l indicates build-essentials is installed. version 11.4 will ger suggested packages |
| 15:37.12 | dpkg | ii indicates build-essentials is installed. version 11.4 will ger suggested packages 3.6-12 cahewson's private porn collection |
| 15:37.54 | \amethyst | cahewson: build-essential includes neither ncurses nor QT development files |
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| 15:38.08 | stew | (but you DO need build-essential as well) |
| 15:38.20 | \amethyst | yes |
| 15:38.56 | stew | jelly: i'm running another update now with new bits from themill, we'll see in a few minutes |
| 15:39.36 | jelly | stew: ya, I see judd's offline |
| 15:39.46 | Zagorax | are there other repository where I can find the same updates? |
| 15:39.49 | stew | its as if someone hit Ctrl-C at console! |
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| 15:40.04 | stew | Zagorax: no |
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| 15:40.10 | nibby | Hey, I got Debian Lenny and Iceweasel 3.0.7 |
| 15:40.19 | nibby | How do I upgrade to the latest version? |
| 15:40.24 | nibby | *of iceweasel |
| 15:40.35 | Titan8990 | !sns |
| 15:40.36 | dpkg | well, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 15:41.29 | apostle999 | I got it working....I had to install the NVIDIA Driver :) |
| 15:41.38 | stew | jelly: hmm, http://kernel-archive.buildserver.net/debian-kernel seems to be hanging it up |
| 15:42.12 | sandman | ffrank offered me a link to a menu.lst entry that boots from an ISO image |
| 15:42.31 | ethanol | how can I find out the name of a uid/gid ? |
| 15:42.32 | jelly | stew: yeah, it's pretty much dead. |
| 15:42.38 | ethanol | if I only have a number |
| 15:42.42 | stew | nibby: you seem to already have the latest for lenny |
| 15:42.42 | sandman | Apparently it works for some people, but I cannot get it to work. It required that vmlinuz and initrd.img sit alongside the iso |
| 15:42.49 | Titan8990 | ethanol, grep '$uid' /etc/passwd |
| 15:42.51 | jelly | stew: been that way for months, I'd disable it |
| 15:43.00 | nibby | stew: Thanks. |
| 15:43.01 | ethanol | Titan8990: same for gid? |
| 15:43.13 | sandman | And isntead of root= it has a fromiso= directive. But, I cannot get it to work. Has anyone here had experience with getting GRUB to boot from an ISO image? |
| 15:43.17 | Titan8990 | ethanol, /etc/group |
| 15:43.23 | nibby | Anyways, I guess my Debian installation is complete. |
| 15:43.28 | ethanol | aha |
| 15:43.35 | nibby | Got all the software I wanted, hardware works fine, etc. |
| 15:43.44 | nibby | Even the media keys on my keyboard work out of the box. |
| 15:43.46 | nibby | :D |
| 15:43.47 | nibby | Thanks. |
| 15:43.55 | Titan8990 | sandman, he was able to install ubuntu from a CD, so whats the problem? |
| 15:44.05 | Titan8990 | sandman, what preventing you from burning a debian CD? |
| 15:44.29 | stew | so wait, "did you fix judd to find 2.6.32-trunk-* in sid?" there are -trunk- packages in sid? |
| 15:44.41 | stew | oh, i guess so |
| 15:45.02 | Titan8990 | needs to remember to make/find a bug report about that kernel not booting in vbox |
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| 15:45.27 | zaphire | i'm using testing, what can cause /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/<somescript> does not execute on ifup? |
| 15:45.52 | Titan8990 | zaphire, not having the pre-up directive in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:46.13 | sandman | Titan8990: There are no CD's/DVD's laying around. |
| 15:46.20 | zaphire | thanks, that should be it |
| 15:46.45 | Titan8990 | sandman, there are two of you. you use debian and he own a server. and neither of you have a blank CD/DVD/USB stick?? |
| 15:47.00 | sandman | Nope. Plus, he's a state away. |
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| 15:49.58 | sg | what are ports 111 and 59202, and why are they being listened on? |
| 15:50.22 | ethanol | is mail.log completely inaccessible or something? |
| 15:50.22 | Titan8990 | sg, grep '111' /etc/services |
| 15:50.32 | stew | sg: 111 is portmap, "/msg dpkg open ports" to see what is listening on 59202 |
| 15:50.39 | ethanol | I have munin running with postfix plugins, set them as root, and I still get permission errors on mail.log |
| 15:50.46 | Titan8990 | sg, 59202 is non-standard |
| 15:50.47 | sg | thank you |
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| 15:51.53 | sg | what is portmap and this rpc.statd? why do i have this running |
| 15:52.11 | Titan8990 | sg, portmap is for NFS |
| 15:52.21 | Titan8990 | sg, and we have no idea why you run what you do |
| 15:52.27 | sg | Titan8990: it's a fresh install |
| 15:52.36 | Titan8990 | sg, what tasks did you select? |
| 15:52.38 | sg | that's why i'm asking -.- |
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| 15:52.47 | sg | just "base utilities" or whatever the last option was |
| 15:53.10 | Titan8990 | sg, base utilities is not an option, what version of debian is this? |
| 15:53.26 | sg | it's squeeze. i forgot the name of the last task |
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| 15:53.35 | sg | Base System Utilities perhaps? |
| 15:53.45 | stew | portmap is also used for fam |
| 15:53.47 | Titan8990 | sg, "standard system" |
| 15:53.50 | sg | ah |
| 15:54.00 | stew | (which gets pulled in when you start getting stuff like avahi or gnome pulled in) |
| 15:54.05 | Titan8990 | stew, fam? |
| 15:54.07 | Titan8990 | ah |
| 15:54.08 | stew | Titan8990: yeah |
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| 15:54.55 | sg | regardless i don't really like having any default ports being listened on...exim i can understand but portmap and rpc? :/ |
| 15:55.25 | Titan8990 | sg, next time don't select any tasks |
| 15:55.35 | Titan8990 | sg, install only what you want |
| 15:55.37 | stew | sg: you can limit portmap to only run on 127.0.0.1 |
| 15:55.49 | stew | sg: which ip is portmap listening to now? |
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| 15:56.09 | sg | stew: 127.0.0.1, it's rpc that i'm worried about |
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| 15:56.16 | sg | rpc.statd |
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| 15:56.33 | sg | Titan8990: I was under the impression that you needed Standard System to even boot..? |
| 15:56.37 | stew | sg: if its only listening to 127.0.0.1, what are you specifically worried about? |
| 15:56.40 | stew | sg: you don't |
| 15:56.44 | sg | ah. |
| 15:56.49 | sg | brbs, reinstalling |
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| 15:56.58 | sg | stew: rpc.statd is the one listening on 0.0.0.0 |
| 15:57.00 | stew | sg: why would you reinstall? |
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| 15:57.07 | sg | stew: it's a fresh install |
| 15:57.12 | Titan8990 | sg, no, not at all |
| 15:57.15 | stew | sg: edit /etc/default/portmap |
| 15:57.31 | stew | sg: if its a fresh install, what is the point of doing it again? |
| 15:57.57 | sg | so it doesnt install all the things under standard system? |
| 15:58.20 | sg | bear in mind i'm coming from arch :) i'm used to extremely minimal systems |
| 15:58.21 | stew | sg: "tasksel remove standard" |
| 15:58.28 | sg | ah |
| 15:58.56 | stew | with your "reinstall" attitude I'd guess you were coming from windows! :P |
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| 15:59.04 | sg | har har :p |
| 15:59.40 | stew | though, hmm, i'm not sure how removing the standard task works now that it is a list of priorities |
| 15:59.54 | stew | including ~prequired, which you'd certainly not want to remove |
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| 16:00.55 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 16:00.56 | judd | stew: Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-19lenny2); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1) |
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| 16:02.45 | dHL_ | exit |
| 16:02.52 | dHL_ | oops :P |
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| 16:13.12 | rooisto47 | is tint2 the most light desktop panel ? |
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| 16:20.13 | jelly | \o/ |
| 16:20.18 | jelly | !cookie stew |
| 16:20.20 | dpkg | spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... rfc2270... Using a Dedicated AS for Sites Homed to a Single Provider. J. Stewart, T. Bates, R. Chandra, E. Chen. January 1998. (Format: TXT=12063 bytes) (Status: INFORMATIONAL) |
| 16:20.28 | jelly | dpkg: no, you fool! |
| 16:20.29 | dpkg | jelly: I give up, what is it? |
| 16:20.38 | jelly | dpkg: give stew a cooki |
| 16:20.38 | dpkg | gives stew a cooki |
| 16:20.43 | jelly | e. |
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| 16:21.59 | MrPocketz | ohhello! |
| 16:23.17 | MrPocketz | wellhllo |
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| 16:26.03 | nysosym | hi there |
| 16:26.07 | nysosym | any apt2 user here? |
| 16:26.20 | bzed | !lol |
| 16:26.20 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:26.20 | MrPocketz | I am not :-\ |
| 16:26.21 | porter | hi everybody, i have a problem with syslog-ng, it stopped loging like 8 hours ago, and i wonder why, where should i start searching fro the reason? |
| 16:26.47 | MrPocketz | syslog-ng |
| 16:26.50 | MrPocketz | lol oh wait |
| 16:26.55 | MrPocketz | *bwahahaha on wait. |
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| 16:27.18 | bzed | porter: did logrotate fail to restart it probably? |
| 16:27.23 | MrPocketz | Is there any utility in a defailt disk1 install of Debian that'll help a brother jump on some wifi |
| 16:27.30 | bzed | porter: try to restart it manually and see if it works again |
| 16:28.09 | porter | as in '/etc(innnnit.d/syslog restart' ? |
| 16:28.15 | porter | err |
| 16:28.18 | porter | sloopy fingers |
| 16:28.21 | bzed | MrPocketz: I'd guess wpa-supplicant is on that disk, probably also network-manager which makes it a bit more simple to configure it (wlathough I consider NM to bea piece of sh***) |
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| 16:28.25 | bzed | porter: ja |
| 16:28.27 | porter | sorry |
| 16:28.30 | porter | ok 1 sec |
| 16:28.45 | bzed | porter: and make that /etc/init.d/syslog-ng |
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| 16:29.42 | porter | bzed: restart did it! it works fine again (so it seems) |
| 16:29.48 | aiyu | hii all, acpi -V returns me, Battery 0: Discharging, 90%, 01:18:14 remaining, design capacity 5200 mAh;AC Adapter 0: off-line;Thermal 0: ok, 56.0 degrees C;Cooling 0: LCD 4 of 7;Cooling 1: Processor 0 of 7;Cooling 2: Processor 0 of 7. does this show anything of my fan. |
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| 16:30.24 | porter | bzed: i'm curious, logrotate and syslog-ng, how did you come up with that? |
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| 16:31.04 | porter | (bzed: i'm simply asing, since I need to read more about these things) |
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| 16:31.09 | porter | asking* |
| 16:31.31 | bzed | porter: logrotate is probably the only thing that touches the log files once a day |
| 16:31.56 | bzed | porter: and if it doesn't poke syslog that the files were rotated, syslog doesn't seem to work anymore |
| 16:32.32 | Hoxzer | what is the best way to define the microphone device? I can hear the sound when I set mic volume to top from the mixer but no program is able to record. It is most likely due to them using wrong device O_o |
| 16:32.32 | bzed | if it was the result of logrotate - no clue. thats a guess |
| 16:32.38 | bzed | porter: ^^^ |
| 16:32.49 | porter | bzed: makes perfectly sense |
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| 16:34.06 | porter | bzed: i was reading in vi the log file(s) and all of a sudden i got the message "file has been changed" ... i was typing too fast and i missed it, stroke the wrong key ... etc and ... now i noticed, syslog-ng has stoped |
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| 16:35.01 | bzed | porter: well, then probably vi confused the systelog-ng stuff by writing into the same file |
| 16:35.09 | porter | well, maybe the Taleban have hit my syslog-ng :-) |
| 16:35.14 | bzed | porter: you should use less to read log files |
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| 16:35.55 | porter | i needed to cut like 100.000 lines out of that logfile |
| 16:35.56 | porter | :-) |
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| 16:36.25 | sandman | Is there a guide for installing Debian AMD64 from a USB stick? |
| 16:36.57 | Hydroxide | sandman: the normal install guide covers that case |
| 16:36.57 | Absolute0 | How do I stop X from blanking my display when idle (playing a movie in mplayer)? |
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| 16:37.09 | Hydroxide | sandman: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual/amd64 |
| 16:37.38 | Hydroxide | sandman: err, I botched the URL. one sec |
| 16:38.08 | cahoot | Absolute0: try xset s off |
| 16:38.15 | Hydroxide | sandman: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64 |
| 16:38.22 | Absolute0 | cahoot: I am loading xmonad with gdm |
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| 16:38.29 | g4br13l | hello |
| 16:38.40 | porter | bzed: thanks, appreciated |
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| 16:39.07 | g4br13l | i`m install partition /dev/sda9 - 60gb and / -> 306mb, change /dev/sda9 > / ? |
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| 16:40.47 | valdyn | Absolute0: what would that mean that you cant use xset? |
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| 16:41.00 | g4br13l | i`m install partition /dev/sda9 - 60gb and / -> 306mb, change /dev/sda9 > / ? |
| 16:41.03 | valdyn | Absolute0: *why* would that mean that you cant use xset? |
| 16:41.09 | jaggz | how do you pgrep or pkill for a task AND its args? |
| 16:41.10 | valdyn | g4br13l: english please |
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| 16:41.31 | g4br13l | valdyn is possible umount / change /dev/sda9 to / ? |
| 16:41.39 | valdyn | g4br13l: no |
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| 16:41.47 | g4br13l | laaaaaaal |
| 16:42.13 | Absolute0 | valdyn: just stating my use case. |
| 16:42.13 | g4br13l | pooosiibilttttttttty |
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| 16:42.42 | jelly | g4br13l: you will have to boot from a livecd or similar to do that. |
| 16:43.33 | jelly | g4br13l: be careful when copying the data from old root filesystem to new, not to mess up permissions, ownerships, hardlinks and similar. |
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| 16:44.44 | initmax | hi all! how can save alsamixergui settins into debian squeeze? |
| 16:44.50 | jimcooncat | I think piping with tar to copy is a good way to preserve permissions -- don't know about owner mapping and hardlinks though |
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| 16:45.08 | cahoot | initmax: alsactl store |
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| 16:45.18 | MrCatEye | hello |
| 16:45.32 | MrCatEye | I got a problem about PXE |
| 16:45.56 | MrCatEye | I managed to get everything started, but he say he cant find a |
| 16:45.58 | MrCatEye | file |
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| 16:46.43 | MrCatEye | it seems to me that he accept the mirro but something is missing |
| 16:47.27 | jimcooncat | MrCatEye: how can anyone help without the details? |
| 16:48.07 | MrCatEye | I don not get any details from the Installer |
| 16:48.09 | MrCatEye | itself |
| 16:48.57 | MrCatEye | he just says to me "couldnt get a file from the Mirror" |
| 16:49.10 | MrCatEye | I can retry, change mirror or abort |
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| 16:50.24 | alreadygone | debian 4.03 does not support ext4 right? |
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| 16:51.19 | eagles0513875 | hey guys http://pastebin.com/m16d977a9 into grub do i have to insert the options at the top of where the list of kernels are or just into the xen kernel that is listed in menu.lst |
| 16:52.20 | greycat | In debian's menu.lst you want to edit the line that looks like # kopt=root=.... but do NOT remove the # sign |
| 16:52.43 | greycat | It's very weird, yes. |
| 16:53.03 | eagles0513875 | O_o ok |
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| 16:53.43 | eagles0513875 | greycat: there is nothign that you mentioned |
| 16:53.50 | greycat | what version of Debian? |
| 16:53.56 | eagles0513875 | lenny |
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| 16:54.21 | greycat | arc3:~$ cat /etc/debian_version ; grep '^# kopt' /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:54.21 | greycat | 5.0.3 |
| 16:54.21 | greycat | # kopt=root=/dev/cciss/c0d0p1 ro |
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| 16:56.09 | eagles0513875 | O_o |
| 16:56.51 | eagles0513875 | found em greycat |
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| 16:58.56 | eagles0513875 | grey cat |
| 16:59.12 | eagles0513875 | greycat: do i remove whats after kopt=root=.... or add to what ever is after root= |
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| 16:59.26 | initmax | how are uses 2.6.30 kernel and nvidia video? |
| 16:59.45 | greycat | add it after the " ro", putting spaces between every pair of parameters |
| 16:59.58 | datenritter | <rant> since when is "testing" actually beeing taken literally? every few weeks my system is beeing f***ked up. first there was kde4 which was far too early, now i have grub2, there are bugs in knetworkmanager, and my notebook won't wake up from suspend anymore... waah... </rant> |
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| 17:00.22 | greycat | Feeling testy? |
| 17:00.35 | danopia | datenritter, are you on testing? |
| 17:00.39 | Titan8990 | datenritter, use lenny if you want a stable system |
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| 17:01.15 | greycat | The purpose of testing is to find bugs. Looks like you might have found some. Congratulations. |
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| 17:01.27 | stew | datenritter: are you suggesting that squeeze should release with kde3 instead of kde4? people complained that lenny didn't have kde4 |
| 17:02.05 | datenritter | stew: when kde4 came into testing, it was seriously broken. also, there were missing dependencies. at first, i didn't even have "systemsettings" installed |
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| 17:02.26 | greycat | Then file bug reports. |
| 17:02.29 | Titan8990 | datenritter, your right, they should have tested it more before adding it to testing.... |
| 17:02.33 | stew | datenritter: yes, you should always expeect this in testing, and you should expect the breakages with things like kde and gnome to last weeks at a time |
| 17:02.45 | datenritter | Titan8990: you know, about two years ago there was stable and testing. stable swas "for servers" and testing meant that you have moderately new software which MIGHT sometimes be a little buggy. it didn't mean "unstable" as it feels now |
| 17:03.01 | greycat | No, it never meant that. You just wanted to think it did. |
| 17:03.23 | datenritter | of course i can always downgrade a broken package, but with kde e.g. things get a little... complicated ;) |
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| 17:03.28 | greycat | Testing's purpose is to allow the Debian developers to get a "preview" of the packages that are candidates for the next stable release, so that they can see what is broken. |
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| 17:03.44 | datenritter | aha |
| 17:03.52 | greycat | It is NOT meant for end users. |
| 17:04.27 | datenritter | end users don't know irc |
| 17:04.31 | datenritter | i am not an end user |
| 17:04.39 | datenritter | i can take the risk... |
| 17:05.03 | datenritter | it worked for years but since maybe this summer, testing is like... well ... unstable ;) |
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| 17:05.29 | datenritter | this is what drives people to ubuntu ^^ |
| 17:06.05 | greycat | !testing |
| 17:06.06 | dpkg | methinks testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <squeeze>. See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianTesting and ask me about <testing faq> <lenny->squeeze> <testing security> <moving target> <dda> <apt-listchanges> and <bts>. You should have a sound knowledge of Debian packaging to use testing and should be prepared for a bumpy ride at times. Don't use it on things that are critical or on servers. |
| 17:06.17 | greycat | If you feel ubuntu will better suit your needs, then you're welcome to use it. |
| 17:06.18 | Titan8990 | datenritter, you are an end user |
| 17:06.42 | datenritter | Titan8990: what's your definition of end user? |
| 17:07.05 | greycat | Someone who can't fix bugs in Debian packages. |
| 17:07.09 | Titan8990 | datenritter, you use the system and are not a developer of the system |
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| 17:07.54 | simonrvn | so iguess s/he doesn't know irc then |
| 17:07.55 | Titan8990 | being skilled at administering the system does not make you no longer an end-user |
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| 17:08.20 | datenritter | Titan8990: about 90% of all administrators will not share that definition |
| 17:08.28 | stew | datenritter: that's fine |
| 17:08.37 | stew | datenritter: sounds like you want either stable or perhaps ubuntu |
| 17:09.33 | simonrvn | datenritter: you're confusing lusers with end-users i think (luser == local user in some contexts) |
| 17:09.40 | pierrep_ | is there a way on a laptop to have sound only in headphone without installing gnome f manager ?? |
| 17:09.41 | datenritter | i want testing to be cared for a little more. i am totally ok with the bumpy ride. i am not ok with packages that are obviously broken and more or less critical. i don't care if kile or a game is broken or if something is just buggy, but there are things that seriously keep people from working. |
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| 17:09.50 | datenritter | simonrvn: ok |
| 17:10.03 | greycat | Testing is *automated*. It's not cared for. That's the point. |
| 17:10.05 | stew | datenritter: lots of people are spending tons of time trying to make testing releasable |
| 17:10.08 | datenritter | pierrep_: depends on your hardware, i'd say |
| 17:10.10 | stew | bs |
| 17:10.14 | pierrep_ | tried alsamixer but only show master and pcm |
| 17:10.21 | greycat | (Actually, sometimes people *withhold* packages from unstable to care for testing. But that's rare.) |
| 17:10.24 | stew | datenritter: if you want to help, please fix bugs |
| 17:10.32 | jimcooncat | datenritter: how about running stable, and just use backports for those things you need latest and greatest for? |
| 17:11.02 | stew | datenritter: join #debian-kde on irc.debian.org and ask how you can help with the kde bugs in testing |
| 17:11.55 | Titan8990 | i thought that chan was on OFTC |
| 17:12.00 | stew | it is |
| 17:12.01 | datenritter | jimcooncat: i guess, i will do that. i will stay with squeeze until it is stable and then get my packages from testing or even unstable (iceweasel e.g.) when i am willing to take the risk. |
| 17:12.08 | datenritter | OFTC? |
| 17:12.10 | greycat | irc.debian.org is a nickname for irc.geo.oftc.net |
| 17:12.22 | sandman | I'm trying to install Debian from a HDD; that is, load the installer entirely from a HDD. Following the instructions @ debian.org, it told me to prepare the HDD by copying over the initrd.gz and vmlinuz, configure GRUB, etc. This all worked |
| 17:12.42 | sandman | However, it then proceeds to complain that it cannot find the CD-ROM for installation. |
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| 17:12.48 | datenritter | pierrep_: the headphone jack usually has a builöt-in switch... |
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| 17:13.08 | Titan8990 | sandman, expert install mode, select a mirror instead of CD |
| 17:13.56 | pierrep_ | datenritter, so it may be the headphone |
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| 17:14.42 | vizzord | Hey guys ! I need a little help. I made an audio record and I want to create a movie with some slide images. Which program I can use to create video from images and insert my audio record to it ? |
| 17:14.53 | datenritter | pierrep_: what exactely are you trying to do? |
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| 17:15.47 | Titan8990 | vizzord, i have never used it but avidemux might do the trick |
| 17:16.02 | pierrep_ | try to listen music at a correct volume without everybody around listenning |
| 17:16.27 | datenritter | vizzord: avidemux maybe. there is also a video cutting software for kde, but i forgot the name... |
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| 17:16.41 | jhutchins_lt | vizzord: Look for "linux video editors". |
| 17:16.43 | datenritter | pierrep_: plug in the headphones and use the master control then |
| 17:17.00 | jhutchins_lt | vizzord: There are several, try them out, see which one makes sense to you. |
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| 17:17.21 | sandman | Titan8990: It doesn't actually give me hte options for starting expert mode |
| 17:17.35 | simonrvn | apt-cache search video editor ... |
| 17:17.43 | datenritter | vizzord: kdenlive maybe |
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| 17:17.55 | datenritter | simonrvn: aptitude search video editor ;) |
| 17:17.55 | pierrep_ | datenritter, yeah but it doesnt really detect my headphone and play it loud |
| 17:18.21 | datenritter | pierrep_: you either mixed up the jacks then or your notebook is broken |
| 17:18.23 | Titan8990 | sandman, boot: expert |
| 17:18.29 | simonrvn | !lart datenritter |
| 17:18.30 | dpkg | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on datenritter |
| 17:18.34 | datenritter | ^^ |
| 17:18.36 | greycat | pierrep_: does sound come out of the headphones too, or only the speakers? |
| 17:19.00 | datenritter | pierrep_: there is a daemon called jackd iirc... is that one running? |
| 17:19.04 | vizzord | datenritter, I'll try kdenlive, thanks. I was tried the avidemux and kino. I can't do it with this programs.. maybe just don't know how |
| 17:19.34 | pierrep_ | headphone and speaker |
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| 17:21.01 | sandman | Titan8990: Can't |
| 17:21.05 | sandman | Titan8990: Doesn't give the option |
| 17:21.28 | greycat | sandman: what are you typing at the boot prompt currently? |
| 17:21.38 | Titan8990 | sandman, i just saw that might actually be a boot arguement |
| 17:21.58 | vizzord | nope, kdenlive is something very different what i looking for. |
| 17:22.02 | sandman | Titan8990: I followed the instructions @ debian.org for preparing files for hard disk booting. Then, I followed section 5.1.3 of http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch05s01.html.en |
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| 17:22.23 | sandman | Oh. |
| 17:22.33 | pierrep_ | no jack and no iirc |
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| 17:22.45 | Pinchiukas | Isn't tmux in the repository? |
| 17:22.54 | Titan8990 | sandman, "When the installer boots, you should be presented with a friendly graphical screen showing the Debian logo and a menu:" |
| 17:22.55 | sandman | It basically says, copy initrd.gz and vmlinuz over to the other HDD. Point GRUB to them. Boot. |
| 17:22.58 | Pinchiukas | 'apt-cache search tmux' returns nothing. |
| 17:23.00 | Titan8990 | sandman, you don't get that? |
| 17:23.14 | sandman | Titan8990: No |
| 17:23.16 | stew | judd: versions tmux |
| 17:23.16 | judd | stew: tmux -- sid: 1.1-1 squeeze: 1.1-1 |
| 17:23.24 | pierrep_ | alsaplayer-jack sound fine |
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| 17:23.36 | Pinchiukas | stew: so I can't have it in stable? |
| 17:23.53 | stew | Pinchiukas: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:25.01 | Pinchiukas | stew: I have no idea what it's on about. |
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| 17:25.28 | greycat | Pinchiukas: "simple sid backport" is what ssb stands for |
| 17:25.45 | Pinchiukas | Oh. |
| 17:26.06 | stew | Pinchiukas: its an explanation of how you might recompile this package using the sources from sid to create a suitable package for lenny |
| 17:26.11 | sandman | Am I using the wrong vmlinuz/initrd.gz? |
| 17:26.39 | greycat | sandman: where did you get them? |
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| 17:27.01 | sandman | Off the businesscard images for the stable release |
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| 17:29.20 | datenritter | how can i actually add my old winxp (/dev/sda1) to grub2's config? the doc says, i should write 11_otheros in /etc/grub/, but what should i put there? just "echo"s? |
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| 17:32.00 | sandman | I'll try the netinstall images and get back to you |
| 17:32.19 | paissad-hp | hi all |
| 17:32.21 | greycat | Looks like it's actually /etc/grub.d in Debian |
| 17:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | it is? since when? All my stuff is in /boot/ |
| 17:33.17 | greycat | CutMeOwnThroat: he's talking about grub-pc (grub2) in squeeze |
| 17:33.18 | paissad-hp | i created a nvidia.ko module by this command |
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| 17:33.19 | paissad-hp | make SYSSRC="/usr/src/linux-headers-`uname -r`" module |
| 17:33.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, right... I forgot |
| 17:33.34 | datenritter | greycat: yes, it's /etc/grub.d |
| 17:33.41 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: there's stuff in /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d for config |
| 17:33.51 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: grub2 of course |
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| 17:34.31 | paissad-hp | now i would like to know if this command is ok ? --> make-kpkg -- ***** --added_modules =/path/to/nvidia.ko ? |
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| 17:34.37 | greycat | I no longer have a dual-boot windows/debian grub2 config at hand, so I can't tell you what script I wrote for it. |
| 17:34.58 | datenritter | yeah, when grub2 came in, it left grub1 in place but added an option to chainload into grub2. but a few days ago, grub1 was just beeing kicked out. that's ok, grub2 workes fine, but it's harder to configure i think... |
| 17:35.07 | paissad-hp | --config defconfig \ |
| 17:35.07 | paissad-hp | --revision="$ver" \ |
| 17:35.07 | paissad-hp | --append-to-version="$nameext" \ |
| 17:35.07 | paissad-hp | --rootcmd fakeroot \ |
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| 17:35.14 | simonrvn | you could install os-prober and it'll do it for you ... |
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| 17:35.30 | paissad-hp | uhhhhh sorry |
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| 17:35.43 | paissad-hp | i did /msg dkpg pastebin "blabla" |
| 17:35.51 | datenritter | simonrvn: uh, i though, it is installed... oO ... installing.... |
| 17:35.57 | paissad-hp | then enter, it seems to be bad ! |
| 17:36.09 | sneezewort | Hello all, I need to have an older version of JRE installed to manage a firewall, but I would like to have a newer version for everything else. Is this possible? |
| 17:36.15 | datenritter | simonrvn: yay, that was easy |
| 17:36.38 | simonrvn | check /boot/grub/grub.cfg now |
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| 17:37.07 | greycat | paissad-hp: (1) that isn't how you send multiple lines to an IRC bot, and (2) dpkg doesn't gather up multiple lines and post them to a web site for you |
| 17:37.27 | datenritter | simonrvn: it's there. |
| 17:37.39 | simonrvn | the contents ... |
| 17:37.51 | datenritter | simonrvn: p? |
| 17:38.05 | datenritter | simonrvn: the entry for windows is in the file |
| 17:38.21 | simonrvn | cool |
| 17:38.40 | greycat | Someone ought to write "Hey, you can install os-prober to make grub2 dual-boot your windows partition" in some file in /usr/share/doc/grub-pc/ or so. |
| 17:38.56 | greycat | When I configured all this stuff, I had to find EVERYTHING on google. |
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| 17:39.19 | simonrvn | i did too, then i found that thing |
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| 17:40.57 | datenritter | greycat: ack |
| 17:41.48 | simonrvn | coughing up a hairball? |
| 17:42.25 | simonrvn | !os-prober |
| 17:42.26 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/os-prober |
| 17:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | evil stuff, those hairballs... |
| 17:42.35 | greycat | Gee, how informative. |
| 17:42.50 | datenritter | just discovered /usr/share/images/desktop-base |
| 17:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, I'm still blessedly unaware of pretty much anything concerning grub2 :) |
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| 17:43.48 | simonrvn | !os-prober is also Use this to construct an add-on to your grub.cfg (grub2) for dual{,triple,...}-booting other OSes. |
| 17:43.49 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 17:43.56 | sandman | Okay, I used the netinstall vmlinuz and initrd.gz. They have the same result as the businesscard's. |
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| 17:44.29 | sandman | Also, md5sum vmlinuz is the same for both the businesscard and netinstall iso's |
| 17:44.34 | sandman | Same applies for initrd.gz |
| 17:44.35 | qwd | Wine 1.0.1-2 on Debian Squeeze AMD64. I'm trying to install Red Alert 2 according to these instructions http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=252 by "Alexander Dorofeyev". I've done everything it says with permissions but I don't see a .windows-label file within the location. If I set the label and press ok and then start wine config again the label is gone. But I don't see anything wrong with the permissions. |
| 17:44.41 | qwd | Does anyone have a .windows-label file? Can you check what it looks like so maybe I can manually create it? I tried making a file called .windows-label and wrote "RA2" without " in it, that didn't work. |
| 17:44.49 | sandman | So they're the same file. I do not get a prompt for options, still. |
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| 17:45.12 | greycat | qwd: try #winehq |
| 17:45.21 | greycat | dpkg, grub2 config is <reply> If all you want is to dual-boot Debian & Windows, just instal the os-prober package. Otherwise, check /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/* and http://grub.enbug.org/ (GRUB wiki) |
| 17:45.23 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 17:45.40 | greycat | dpkg, grub2 config =~ s/instal /install / |
| 17:45.40 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 17:45.46 | pierrep_ | trying to have sound with jackd daemon |
| 17:45.51 | simonrvn | \o/ |
| 17:45.59 | qwd | greycat: I did 1½ hours ago, no reply, so I'm trying here. I'm sure *someone* has a label in Wine. |
| 17:46.10 | freebse | hi I got a Intel HDA soundcard and sid and I can not get the sound to work in Firefox with flash, bugreports are old and did not help, maybe someone in here got an answer, otherwise I will write a bugreport. Sound is working with all other programms |
| 17:46.38 | sandman | Do I need to get the images from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-amd64/current/images/hd-media/? |
| 17:46.40 | Titan8990 | freebse, check "pmx" settings in your mixer |
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| 17:47.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | freebse, tried to call iceweasel with "aoss iceweasel"? |
| 17:47.33 | AimHere | tries to work out whether freebse is a reference to FreeBSD, freebasing, or both |
| 17:47.41 | simonrvn | sandman: for hd-media install, of course. they work ;). |
| 17:47.44 | freebse | Titan8990: thx alot, but this is not related to settings, firefox does not appear under Applications in Settings |
| 17:47.45 | simonrvn | AimHere: heh |
| 17:48.14 | simonrvn | freebse: iceweasel not firefox |
| 17:48.22 | sandman | Well, I didn't use hd-media |
| 17:48.30 | sandman | Because the MANIFEST file told me it was for USB installs |
| 17:48.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, well, can you tell the difference? |
| 17:48.36 | sandman | This is an install from a hard disk |
| 17:48.38 | simonrvn | not only |
| 17:48.53 | krzysz00 | i have a neomagic 2160 and an Ibe TrackPoint mouse. When I fire up Xorg (sid) I get a black screen. (I have twm installed) Is there anything I need to do? |
| 17:49.01 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: the name :P |
| 17:49.08 | freebse | Simonrvn: sorry, I am used to freebsd ;) off course Iceweasel, no in this case I complied firefox myself because of the not working sound |
| 17:49.08 | Titan8990 | freebse, kk, ignore my suggestion |
| 17:49.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, with the weather outside I guess I prefere a fire-fox in my hearth over an ice-weasel anytime |
| 17:49.32 | simonrvn | for sure ;) |
| 17:49.44 | Titan8990 | because I have no idea how modern ALSA works or its common problems with adobe flash sound... |
| 17:49.49 | freebse | Titan8990: it was a bug about half a year ago, it was gone, I reinstalled sid today and there we go again |
| 17:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's ignoring me :( |
| 17:50.10 | freebse | it is just Flash as far as I can check it right now |
| 17:50.24 | Titan8990 | freebse, which screams "I have PCM muted" |
| 17:50.36 | freebse | CutMeOwnThroat: lol |
| 17:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, no, it doesn't if it's only one application |
| 17:50.46 | greycat | For very soft values of "screams". |
| 17:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | freebse, well, did you try using the aoss wrapper? |
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| 17:50.57 | simonrvn | yeh, no all-caps |
| 17:51.01 | freebse | let me see for a last time, I doubt I am that dumb ;) |
| 17:51.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | no need... you can't selectively mute one application with alsamixer |
| 17:51.49 | freebse | CutMeOwnThroat: no I am just getitng into that problem, I need to check if it plays other formats with vlc etc... just reinstalled |
| 17:51.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | although that might be a cute idea for in 5 years or so :) |
| 17:52.10 | Titan8990 | well, I am really pushing to check because I ran across the same issue on a bleeding-edge system in which case all sounded worked *except* adobe flash. solution: turn PVM volume up from 0% |
| 17:52.27 | sandman | So do I just copy all those files, then? |
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| 17:52.36 | freebse | CutMeOwnThroat: I can with alsamixer, just iceweasel ;) does not appear there |
| 17:52.36 | sandman | from hd-media? |
| 17:52.38 | Titan8990 | so IMO, it should not be disregarded as a solution to the issue because we are certain its not "configuration related" |
| 17:52.41 | sandman | To the HDD I'm trying to install from? |
| 17:52.45 | krzysz00 | i have a neomagic 2160 chipset and an IBM trackpoint and when I exec 'startx' ( on sid) i get a black scren |
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| 17:53.16 | simonrvn | sandman: that's what i did on my powermac some months ago |
| 17:53.17 | freebse | ok I am going to check what ppl said in here ;) |
| 17:54.02 | freebse | rhythmbox is playing |
| 17:54.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Titan8990, mmm... seems impossible to me... actually seems impossible to me you hear something from any app if master or pcm are muted or at 0% |
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| 17:55.28 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, in theory, yes |
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| 17:58.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | although there normally is some leakage which could be blown up a bit with a software amplifier |
| 17:58.26 | sandman | Okay, it's asking for an iso image. |
| 17:58.46 | freebse | This is the problem, I remeber had this about half a year ago > http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4521/screenshotoh.png |
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| 17:58.59 | sandman | Still not working. |
| 17:59.00 | sandman | Meh. |
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| 17:59.18 | simonrvn | he said boot with install expert ... |
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| 17:59.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | I put an install image on an usb stick... |
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| 18:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually I was trying a lot of things and, agreed, the !usb install instructions really could be better... |
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| 18:00.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I should have kept notes :( |
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| 18:00.32 | freebse | Iceweasel just will not appear there, since you can adjust different volume levels for all applications it is just broken, had this so many times, argh |
| 18:02.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, that's some kde feature? |
| 18:02.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | that means you must have a sound daemon or something running |
| 18:02.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should of said |
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| 18:03.42 | sandman | simonrvn: It doesn't give the option |
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| 18:04.52 | Titan8990 | CutMeOwnThroat, sounds like a pulseaudio feature? |
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| 18:05.47 | freebse | looks to me also like pulseaudio I am just checking that |
| 18:05.59 | simonrvn | weee |
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| 18:06.26 | sandman | I find the documentation on Debian's alternative installation methods to be severely out of sync with how you actually have to do it. |
| 18:06.47 | Titan8990 | sandman, its possible that it is outdated |
| 18:06.54 | simonrvn | sandman: what did you do with the hd-media stuff? |
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| 18:07.17 | sandman | Copied it to the filesystem @ sdb1 |
| 18:07.29 | sandman | Booted it. It prompts for iso |
| 18:07.37 | sandman | Says it wants an iso image to use |
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| 18:08.19 | simonrvn | oh yeh, i gave it a netinst (put it on the top-most directory of the hdd) |
| 18:08.56 | sandman | Well. |
| 18:09.00 | sandman | I wish it had listed all of that. |
| 18:09.07 | sandman | I may have to go ahead and re-write that documentation and submit it |
| 18:09.07 | simonrvn | it's in the docs |
| 18:09.15 | simonrvn | !ig |
| 18:09.16 | sandman | Not in the docs I read online |
| 18:09.16 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 18:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | sandman, that's fine... GIVE it an iso image to use |
| 18:18.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | mind, it has to be the correct iso and iirc, the name has to be exactly as it was |
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| 18:35.26 | chops | simonrvn: :-/ |
| 18:35.26 | greycat | Oh, he meant recursively as in "more than one program". I kept wondering "How the hell do you recursively apply ldd semantics to the shared libs you get from the first iteration?" |
| 18:35.26 | chops | I'll see what I can botch up with perl |
| 18:35.27 | \amethyst | Pinchiukas: I've never used the aptitude GUI |
| 18:35.27 | Pinchiukas | And it sucks. |
| 18:35.27 | chellomere_ | the aptitude (G)UI is ok |
| 18:35.27 | chops | greycat: No, I meant recursively as in x.bin depends on y.so, which depends on z.so, and I want to print all the "Z"s for a given X |
| 18:35.27 | hoxu | aptitude UI is neat |
| 18:35.27 | Pinchiukas | No it's not. |
| 18:35.27 | hoxu | !penixstrike Pinchiukas |
| 18:35.27 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Pinchiukas to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 18:35.27 | \amethyst | Pinchiukas: I use aptitude as a command line client... occasionally I use the full-screen text interface, but not all that often |
| 18:35.27 | simonrvn | greycat: i suppose you could do a little echo in between or something dumb like that |
| 18:35.27 | chops | greycat: Or am I misunderstanding something that makes that not a sensible thing? |
| 18:35.28 | greycat | I'm not aware of any cases where ldd would fail to produce a shared lib that's required to run the program. |
| 18:35.28 | simonrvn | i prefer the lar tool |
| 18:35.28 | greycat | The program might dynamically load something *after* it's already running, and ldd wouldn't know about that. |
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| 18:35.28 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 18:35.28 | chellomere_ | chops, ldd already works recursively in that way, except that the list is flattened. |
| 18:35.29 | chops | chellomere_: Ah, I see |
| 18:35.29 | \amethyst | greycat: well, there's crap like if (!dlopen("libfoo.so",...)) { die(); } |
| 18:35.29 | greycat | \amethyst: that's what dynamically loading is. |
| 18:35.29 | \amethyst | greycat: oh, you said that |
| 18:35.29 | Pinchiukas | Ok it seems I can't find the 'dpkg -l' output format at all. Anyone could give me some pointers? |
| 18:35.29 | \amethyst | greycat: sorry, I missed that line |
| 18:35.29 | greycat | Pinchiukas: you wanted to change the format? |
| 18:35.30 | Pinchiukas | greycat: no, I want to make sense of what's being given to me. |
| 18:35.30 | chops | I have a program linked against qt 4.5 (installed in a non-standard location), and when I run it I get a crash in one of my system qt libs... I suspect it's wrongly linking against the system qt rather than qt 4.5, but ldd lists qt 4.5 and not the system qts |
| 18:35.30 | \amethyst | Pinchiukas: there's a header |
| 18:35.30 | chops | I'll try strace and see if I see a dlopen |
| 18:35.30 | chops | Thanks guys |
| 18:35.30 | \amethyst | Pinchiukas: first char is the desired status, second is the current status, next indicates whether there's an error; next column is package name, then version, then description |
| 18:35.31 | Pinchiukas | \amethyst: thanks, I couldn't understand the header. :) |
| 18:35.31 | greycat | Pinchiukas: the first line of the header points to the first character (column) |
| 18:35.31 | chops | Hm, no dlopen, but I do see the process groveling over various available qt libs and locations before settling on the incorrect system lib. Grumble, grumble. |
| 18:35.31 | greycat | the second header line points to the second char, and so on |
| 18:35.31 | Pinchiukas | Oh... |
| 18:35.31 | Pinchiukas | ASCII art. lol |
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| 18:35.32 | \amethyst | Pinchiukas: apt-get moo |
| 18:35.32 | Pinchiukas | :) |
| 18:35.32 | \amethyst | Pinchiukas: that was one of the other features that aptitude doesn't have :) |
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| 18:35.53 | Pinchiukas | And it's the only thing that makes Debian better than other distros? :) |
| 18:35.56 | hoxu | aptitude moo & -v |
| 18:35.59 | stew | apt-get doesn't have any snake eating elephants though |
| 18:36.07 | stew | err elephant eating snakes that is |
| 18:36.18 | \amethyst | elephant-eating snakes |
| 18:36.32 | \amethyst | not an elephant eating snakes |
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| 18:39.21 | jimcooncat | on the command line, is there a shortcut to a "noop"? Just a way to type in the terminal without any action? |
| 18:39.29 | greycat | jimcooncat: true or : |
| 18:39.31 | stew | jimcooncat: : (colon) |
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| 18:39.48 | jimcooncat | that's good, thanks greycat and stew |
| 18:39.53 | greycat | But "just type" is not exactly what'll happen if you let a 3 year old at it. |
| 18:40.04 | greycat | Because something like : | rm foo will still run the rm. |
| 18:40.48 | jimcooncat | I don't put the grandson in sudoers :-) |
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| 19:25.35 | tekk_ | whey guys i wanna install a desktop environment on my debian system, on ubuntu there is a ubuntu-desktop package, containing everything neccesary, on debian is there anything similar, i've seen there is "desktop-base" is that the equivalent? |
| 19:25.35 | greycat | does Debian still use tasksel for that? |
| 19:25.36 | greycat | !tasksel |
| 19:25.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, tasksel is a program to select and install "tasks": a collection of packages for a system to perform a specific task (e.g. desktop environment, web server). Ask me about <standard task>, <server tasks> and <laptop task>. http://wiki.debian.org/tasksel |
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| 19:25.37 | greycat | I wasn't sure if that had been replaced by something. |
| 19:25.44 | chellomere_ | I'm having trouble installing debian on a new P55 system. the lenny installer doesn't recognize the dvd-rw drive, kmuto's installer plainly did not work (got i/o problems booting up)... so, is there some other installer I could try with a new(er) kernel, or should I go the hd-media/put hdd into another system route? |
| 19:25.52 | Pinchiukas | I can't believe all the people that build packages think to themselves "bah, I don't care, I'll just leave everything in". |
| 19:26.02 | tekk_ | any ideas on my somewhat simple question? :) |
| 19:26.13 | stew | Pinchiukas: we're damned if we do, damned if we don't, sometimes |
| 19:26.19 | greycat | Pinchiukas: consider it an easter egg. Kind of like "apt-get moo". |
| 19:26.46 | Pinchiukas | Consider a filesystem full of useless binaries an easter egg? |
| 19:26.55 | greycat | 10k is hardly a full file system |
| 19:26.57 | stew | Pinchiukas: did you file the bug? |
| 19:27.00 | valdyn | chellomere_: i/o errors could mean that your burnt cd is broken |
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| 19:27.04 | greycat | And I actually did use that man page. |
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| 19:27.23 | chellomere_ | tekk_, no. desktop-base is not the same. |
| 19:27.27 | Pinchiukas | Man page? |
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| 19:28.18 | chellomere_ | valdyn, I considered that, but the iso file has the right md5sum, and the wodim log is clean. I'll md5sum the cd tho. |
| 19:28.23 | tekk_ | any suggestions then? i want xfce4 |
| 19:28.25 | tekk_ | ideally |
| 19:28.56 | valdyn | chellomere_: burnt cd disks do not work the same in different drives |
| 19:28.57 | greycat | tekk_: you could just do "aptitude install xorg xfce4" |
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| 19:29.19 | valdyn | chellomere_: so you need to check that disk in the same hardware. |
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| 19:29.59 | chellomere_ | valdyn, that's a bit hard, as there's no OS on the box, and the installer that runs does not recognize the dvd drive |
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| 19:30.41 | valdyn | chellomere_: uh? |
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| 19:30.54 | valdyn | chellomere_: the installer does never *recognise* dvd drives |
| 19:31.06 | valdyn | chellomere_: you can change the boot order in your bios, probably |
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| 19:31.31 | valdyn | chellomere_: whats "recognised" or not is the disk controllers |
| 19:32.28 | chellomere_ | valdyn, yes, that's what I meant. it does not recognize the controller. |
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| 19:33.07 | chellomere_ | and well, my cd appears broken, because I got an i/o error when trying to md5sum it on this system. so let's try again. |
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| 19:33.51 | logging | greetings. Can someone please tell me how to install java ? |
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| 19:37.38 | paradroid | logging: sudo aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk |
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| 19:38.12 | stew | or jre instead of jdk if you don't need the development environment |
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| 19:46.25 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 19:46.37 | Mazingaro | please how can I compile a kernel for ARM cpu under debian? |
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| 19:48.41 | Mazingaro | shall I use emdebian? |
| 19:49.13 | Mazingaro | I saw that kernel source tree has got an arm subdirectory, but no entries for that cpu on make xconfig menu |
| 19:49.20 | dondelelcaro | Mazingaro: we already have the arm kernels packaged |
| 19:49.28 | dondelelcaro | Mazingaro: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 19:49.29 | greycat | are you building it _on_ an ARM Debian system, or on some other arch? |
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| 19:49.42 | Mazingaro | greycat: I'm on amd64 |
| 19:50.01 | greycat | cross-compiling a kernel doesn't sound fun |
| 19:50.45 | xreal | How can I resize /var which is in a LVM? It's locked at the moment. |
| 19:51.11 | dondelelcaro | xreal: do you want to grow it? or shrink it? |
| 19:51.17 | xreal | dondelelcaro: grow |
| 19:51.54 | dondelelcaro | xreal: lvresize -L +1G /path/to/logical/volume |
| 19:51.58 | dondelelcaro | xreal: man lvresize for details |
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| 19:52.39 | xreal | dondelelcaro: So I don't need to unmount it? |
| 19:52.50 | stew | xreal: then you'll have to grow the actual filesystem, and how to do that depends on the filesystem |
| 19:53.03 | stew | xreal: if its ext2/ext3, you'd use resize2fs and no, you don't need to umount |
| 19:53.04 | dob1 | hi, what is the sense of this arp who-has 0.0.0.0 (Broadcast) tell host , why ask for 0.0.0.0 ? |
| 19:53.06 | dondelelcaro | xreal: no. |
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| 19:53.14 | xreal | dondelelcaro & stew: resize2fs |
| 19:53.19 | xreal | eeeh ext3 ;-) |
| 19:53.26 | dondelelcaro | xreal: it's the same. |
| 19:53.39 | xreal | okay, thanks for help ... need to try it ;-) |
| 19:53.40 | dondelelcaro | in fact, with ext3, you don't even need to unmount it |
| 19:53.48 | xreal | Is it the same for shrinking? |
| 19:53.51 | dondelelcaro | xreal: no |
| 19:53.53 | xreal | lvresize -L -1G /path/to/logical/volume |
| 19:53.57 | stew | for shrinking you have to unmount |
| 19:53.59 | Mazingaro | greycat: I'd like to compile a kernel for an embedded atom system |
| 19:54.10 | xreal | stew: But is it even possible to unmount /var ? |
| 19:54.11 | dondelelcaro | well, yes, that's how you shrink it, but the actual process of getting ready to shrink it is quite a bit more complicated |
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| 19:54.14 | dondelelcaro | xreal: sure |
| 19:54.16 | Mazingaro | greycat: intel atom = strong arm |
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| 19:54.28 | xreal | dondelelcaro: Here it's locked ;-( |
| 19:54.34 | quitte | Mazingaro: no |
| 19:54.48 | dondelelcaro | xreal: "locked" isn't a valid state. It may be in use, but that means that you have to stop whatever is using it |
| 19:54.48 | Mazingaro | quitte: what then |
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| 19:54.56 | quitte | Mazingaro: i386 |
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| 19:55.15 | xreal | dondelelcaro: Okay ... have to find out, which processes are running. |
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| 19:55.27 | stew | xreal: "fuser -m /var" |
| 19:56.00 | xreal | thx |
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| 19:56.59 | dondelelcaro | (and for things like /var, you probably will have to go to single user mode, but it's still possible.) |
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| 19:57.26 | xreal | dondelelcaro: Can you also tell me, how to do this? |
| 19:58.17 | dondelelcaro | xreal: go to single user mode using init, log in, umount /var, shrink the filesystem, and then shrink the physical volume |
| 19:58.29 | xreal | ah okay |
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| 20:01.22 | Mazingaro | quitte: do you know a valid arm platform to run linux (sbc target hardware)? |
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| 20:03.07 | quitte | Mazingaro: what does sbc mean? |
| 20:03.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | e.g. the N810? |
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| 20:03.25 | quitte | i would have suggested qemu next |
| 20:03.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | quitte, southern baptist convention (reaching the world for christ) :-P |
| 20:04.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | .oO( google can _never_ be wrong) |
| 20:05.24 | Mazingaro | quitte: single board computer |
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| 20:06.55 | toto1988 | hi |
| 20:07.10 | toto1988 | do you know any german channel? |
| 20:07.15 | abrotman | !de |
| 20:07.16 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de). |
| 20:07.18 | rooisto47 | is tint2 the lightly desktop panel |
| 20:07.19 | rooisto47 | ? |
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| 20:08.58 | krzysz00 | anyone know whyi'm getting |
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| 20:09.35 | krzysz00 | 'unknown parameter: snd_major' after following the advice in the linux on ibm thinkpad 600 howto |
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| 20:10.28 | greycat | most likely because the advice is WAY out of date |
| 20:10.38 | greycat | or assumes some non-Debian system |
| 20:10.55 | abrotman | a thinkpad 600 is way out of date :) |
| 20:11.22 | krzysz00 | abortman: that's the fun part |
| 20:11.31 | greycat | The older the hardware is, the less likely you need special howtos anyway. |
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| 20:12.24 | krzysz00 | well, there's a crystal 4237B chip in there, thst doesn't work maically. Do you have any pointers? |
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| 20:12.56 | greycat | Does it show up in "cat /proc/asound/cards"? |
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| 20:13.37 | quitte | krzysz00: did you look in the thinkwiki? |
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| 20:14.54 | cahoot | krzysz00: tried modprobe snd-cs4236? |
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| 20:17.17 | dutchie | just changed the hostname on my lenny server, but it still resolves to pings with the old name. I can only find the old hostname in binary files (/etc/aliases.db and /etc/sasldb2) which do not seem to have anything to do with ping, and I don't want to remove them as I'm not sure how to regenerate them |
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| 20:21.14 | xand | dutchie: DNS or /etc/hosts? |
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| 20:21.28 | dutchie | /etc/hosts |
| 20:21.53 | greycat | aliases.db probably comes from "newaliases" |
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| 20:23.12 | dutchie | greycat: that it does, no more $OLDHOSTNAME in /etc/aliases.db |
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| 20:23.43 | greycat | ping should consult /etc/nsswitch.conf to determine how to resolve hostnames |
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| 20:24.09 | greycat | if your system isn't on crack, you should have hosts: files [notfound=continue] dns with whatever capitalization |
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| 20:25.09 | logging | I downloaded logbot from http://www.jibble.org/logbot/, installed java with sudo aptitude install openjdk-6-jdk, and here is what i'm getting when trying to run the program http://pastebin.com/m55c51a09 |
| 20:25.22 | dutchie | I have "hosts: files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4" on the local machine |
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| 20:25.49 | greycat | dutchie: my sid box has that, and I can't be bothered to look up that mdns4 stuff to see what it means. |
| 20:26.22 | Kobaz | i just set up a new box a dell t105... when i try and boot, grub doesn't load... i've tried reinstalling grub several times, but it just won't load grub when it boots... I just get a black screen after the bios post |
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| 20:32.00 | ghostman | ah? |
| 20:32.35 | dutchie | to be honest, it wouldn't surprise me if something very odd is going on with that server |
| 20:32.42 | dutchie | it'd be nice to fix it though |
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| 20:36.53 | dutchie | ah, it's screwed up rdns |
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| 20:56.22 | ghostman | da |
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| 21:02.06 | H-123 | :( |
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| 21:03.10 | H-123 | I've try so many distros and none satisfy me, the closest have always been Debian and Suse... wish Debian had a non-so-conservative version |
| 21:03.24 | H-123 | like Ubuntu but without all teh cr*p |
| 21:03.24 | abrotman | !releases |
| 21:03.25 | dpkg | See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 21:03.43 | H-123 | nah, testing doesnt do but ty |
| 21:03.52 | Argafal | H-123: try unstable. |
| 21:04.10 | stew | not unstable |
| 21:04.16 | Argafal | stew: what else? |
| 21:04.22 | stew | Argafal: stable |
| 21:04.23 | jpinx-eeepc | H-123: install sid and enjoy :p |
| 21:04.27 | H-123 | I am afraid to.. I am afraid to have dpkg broken |
| 21:04.41 | Argafal | stew: H-123 was asking for something less conservative and said testing isn't sufficient? |
| 21:04.43 | stew | H-123: what exactly is the conservatism you don' tlike? |
| 21:04.48 | H-123 | dpkg is the best ever... until it breaks, then you are screwed, no ty |
| 21:04.48 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, H-123 |
| 21:04.59 | Argafal | H-123: i never broke my dpkg with unstable. |
| 21:05.02 | abrotman | Argafal: unstable is not for general users, please don't suggest they use it |
| 21:05.06 | stew | Argafal: what exactly does he mean by conservative? |
| 21:05.08 | abrotman | not intended for |
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| 21:05.19 | Argafal | abrotman: well, he is explicitly asking for... |
| 21:05.19 | H-123 | stew: no no, I like it, that's the point of Debian which is fine, I meant a different branch |
| 21:05.26 | H-123 | exact |
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| 21:05.48 | H-123 | no, as abrotman said, this is not the point of Debian |
| 21:05.50 | stew | Argafal: does he mean conservative with respect to free/non-free? |
| 21:06.01 | abrotman | Argafal: he knows it exists .. he doesn't want to use something that breaks on a random basis |
| 21:06.04 | H-123 | just prolly no distro can make me 100% happy |
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| 21:06.37 | Argafal | stew: i get your point. i assumed it is, as for most of the people not convinced of Debian, about the packages being too old. |
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| 21:07.18 | H-123 | Debian is my first choice forserver tho |
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| 21:08.10 | jpinx-eeepc | H-123: go with stable and backports and maybe ssb sometimes |
| 21:08.14 | Argafal | H-123: so why doesn't testing do again? |
| 21:08.56 | Argafal | is very happy with testing + a very few packages from unstable (the ones i really need in recent versions) and some others compiled myself (for bleeding edge dev versions) |
| 21:09.21 | Argafal | same setup for my girlfriend, running for a year now without any maintenance besides the daily update+dist-upgrade. |
| 21:09.25 | jpinx-eeepc | H-123: that will give you the stability, but allow you to use newer versions of packages |
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| 21:10.12 | H-123 | jpinx-eeepc: that may work |
| 21:10.48 | abrotman | FSVO stability |
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| 21:11.00 | jpinx-eeepc | fsvo ? |
| 21:11.19 | H-123 | jpinx-eeepc: tho, last time I did, I had dpkg broken due to a buggy haskel pkg |
| 21:11.19 | abrotman | !FSVO |
| 21:11.20 | dpkg | [fsvo] For Some Values Of. For Small Values Of |
| 21:11.46 | H-123 | jpinx-eeepc: and decided to try other distros since then, I might do it again |
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| 21:13.04 | ghostman | AUA! |
| 21:13.04 | jpinx-eeepc | H-123: you have to do something very silly to break dpkg ;) |
| 21:13.08 | ghostman | AUA! |
| 21:13.11 | ghostman | WEH! |
| 21:13.14 | ghostman | WEH! |
| 21:13.20 | ghostman | lol |
| 21:13.40 | niko | any ops around ? |
| 21:13.43 | ghostman | LOL |
| 21:13.46 | abrotman | a few, why? |
| 21:13.55 | abrotman | ghostman: do you have a Debian question? |
| 21:13.56 | ghostman | KICK NIKOars |
| 21:14.02 | niko | oh, just keep on eye on him |
| 21:14.12 | ghostman | nikoars? |
| 21:14.15 | abrotman | ghostman: do you have a Debian question? |
| 21:14.21 | ghostman | arsniko? |
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| 21:14.43 | stew | ghostman: feel free to /msg me if you decide you actually have anything on-topic for this channel |
| 21:14.50 | abrotman | or not |
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| 21:15.00 | H-123 | you scared him :p |
| 21:15.35 | H-123 | jpinx-eeepc: apt-get install haskel-something ---> broken... yeah I know, but I have had it broken a few times and really not a happy story when it does |
| 21:15.43 | H-123 | anyway, laters |
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| 21:16.09 | abrotman | not sure if he meant he broke dpkg or had broken dependencies .. oh well |
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| 21:16.33 | greycat | Typically he means "I wanted to install some package and I got some error". |
| 21:16.40 | greycat | Could be anything. |
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| 21:19.24 | fryderyk | Hi, I'm hoping someone might be able to help me out. I followed the howtoforge tutorial on using AutoFS but am still having an issue mounting cifs shares. I've included as much relevant information at http://pastebin.com/m5bb9de34 Any assistance is appreciated. |
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| 21:28.56 | jhutchins_lt | fryderyk: You're not resolving the server. |
| 21:29.10 | jhutchins_lt | fryderyk: Can you access the shares (or at least list them) with smbclient? |
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| 21:30.01 | fryderyk | I have an entry in fstab that mounts them if I run mount -a after booting up. |
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| 21:31.26 | JMorrison | hola a todos |
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| 21:39.47 | fryderyk | jhutchins_lt: I also just checked it with the smbclient and I'm able to list the shares. |
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| 21:42.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, autofs is that weird one which mounts stuff when you try to access it, aint it |
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| 21:43.12 | greycat | yes, a daemon runs "mount" when tickled by the kernel because something's accessing a directory it's in control of |
| 21:44.01 | stew | oooh that tickles |
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| 21:45.49 | palomer | hello |
| 21:45.52 | palomer | I'm creating a deb package |
| 21:45.56 | MrPocketz | but |
| 21:45.58 | MrPocketz | how does that make you |
| 21:45.59 | MrPocketz | *feel* |
| 21:46.23 | palomer | but the installation directory of my files may change from system to system |
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| 21:46.35 | palomer | I can query it using the `findlib` command |
| 21:46.58 | palomer | how do I incorporate this into by debian package? |
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| 21:50.02 | abrotman | palomer: if it's for Debian, shouldn't it be in the same place? |
| 21:50.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I hate that, it breaks tab-autocomplete and you actually have to type stuff |
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| 21:51.08 | Valmon | Hello for everyone. |
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| 21:51.34 | stew | palomer: exactly what files might change and why? |
| 21:51.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, from that I deduce he wants to make one that will run with anything that has .debs? |
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| 21:52.41 | abrotman | it still has a dependency? he can set a bash variable to the path to that binary .. though why wouldn't it be in his path ? |
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| 21:54.30 | tuv | damn space! |
| 21:55.47 | Valmon | Complex question for me: I'm rebuilding debian package for i386 and also for amd64 arch with debuild util. In both cases debuild create packages not only for apropriate arch, but also packages ***all.deb. So I have duplicated packages with different md5sums and cannot add packages for amd64 arch to repo. |
| 21:55.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha, try to live in _my_ appartment |
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| 21:57.05 | stew | Valmon: just add one _all package or the other to the repo |
| 21:57.13 | Zvpun | How can I determine the video and audio codec of an mp4 file? |
| 21:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | "file"? ... or try to play it with mplayer, I think that prints what it finds |
| 21:58.07 | AimHere | You might need a verbose option or two if you're using vlc |
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| 21:58.52 | Zvpun | thank you |
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| 21:59.16 | Tramp | mplayer -vo null -ao null -frames 0 -identify |
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| 22:01.47 | Valmon | stew: thx. for answer |
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| 22:02.17 | Valmon | stew: well, I add packages with reprepro -b . include lenny /usr/src/pkg/*.changes |
| 22:02.49 | Valmon | stew: Both changes has filelist with md5sums. |
| 22:02.57 | stew | Valmon: so take it out of one of the changes files |
| 22:03.05 | Valmon | stew:ok |
| 22:03.10 | Valmon | stew:thank you. |
| 22:03.34 | Valmon | stew: :-) |
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| 22:04.36 | Valmon | stew: Debian packaging system is powerufll, but complex for me after rpm-based.... |
| 22:04.50 | endri | how can i change the lcd brightness. a command line would be better |
| 22:05.11 | endri | i have an old laptop sony vaio b1xp and debian testing |
| 22:05.27 | xand | apt >>> rpm |
| 22:05.30 | apt | Red Hat's package management system. URL: http://www.rpm.org/ |
| 22:05.45 | Kobaz | i just set up a new box a dell t105... when i try and boot, grub doesn't load... i've tried reinstalling grub several times, but it just won't load grub when it boots... I just get a black screen after the bios post |
| 22:05.56 | stew | endri: in x? or console? |
| 22:06.07 | endri | X |
| 22:06.18 | stew | endri: you can try xbacklight, though it might only work with newer video cards |
| 22:06.22 | Valmon | thanks again. bye :-) |
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| 22:07.14 | endri | what about the console, stew? |
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| 22:07.18 | endri | same? |
| 22:07.56 | stew | endri: i don't know, unless you could possibly do it via poking around acpi |
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| 22:08.51 | endri | it works thanks stew |
| 22:09.04 | stew | cool |
| 22:09.15 | palomer | stew, actually, maybe they won't change |
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| 22:09.27 | fryderyk | Repost: Hi, I'm hoping someone might be able to help me out. I followed the howtoforge tutorial on using AutoFS but am still having an issue mounting cifs shares. I've included as much relevant information at http://pastebin.com/m5bb9de34 Any assistance is appreciated. I am able to list the shares using smbclient. |
| 22:09.43 | palomer | I'd like to create a deb by editing an existing deb, but that involves unpackaging a package, how do I do that? |
| 22:10.38 | abrotman | ar x or man dpkg |
| 22:11.11 | palomer | ar x? |
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| 22:11.29 | abrotman | it's a command |
| 22:11.34 | abrotman | why not get the source package ? |
| 22:11.36 | palomer | cool! |
| 22:12.42 | stew | or use dpkg-deb, though i'd wonder why not use the source |
| 22:14.00 | palomer | which source? |
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| 22:14.29 | simonrvn | THE Source |
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| 22:15.45 | Bohemian | does linux have a recursive option? |
| 22:15.50 | Bohemian | i don't see it in mv --help |
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| 22:16.06 | roe_ | mv by definition is recursive |
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| 22:16.23 | Bohemian | well, why can't i move folders that are not empty, roe_ ? |
| 22:16.24 | roe_ | how can you move a folder without also moving its contents? |
| 22:16.34 | simonrvn | linux? recursive? which command, mv? :P |
| 22:16.45 | simonrvn | !folder |
| 22:16.46 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
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| 22:16.54 | Bohemian | i'm trying to move a folder that has stuff in it and it won't let me |
| 22:17.02 | AimHere | What are you trying, and what does it say? |
| 22:17.09 | simonrvn | um, maybe you don't have permission .... |
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| 22:17.12 | palomer | ok, well I downloaded a source package |
| 22:17.19 | palomer | and...it contains the source, nothing else |
| 22:17.21 | Bohemian | mv: cannot move `drupal-6.15/themes' to `/var/www/christhelinuxguy.com/themes': Directory not empty |
| 22:17.25 | Bohemian | why? |
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| 22:18.52 | Bohemian | AimHere: any ideas? |
| 22:18.52 | Bohemian | i have permissions to mv in that /var/www/ dir |
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| 22:20.10 | roe_ | is /var/www/.../theme empty? |
| 22:20.32 | Bohemian | no |
| 22:20.38 | Bohemian | i want to move everything |
| 22:20.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're probably trying to move it from one partition/disk to another |
| 22:20.59 | simonrvn | well you're trying to overwrite it then, and it won't let you. simple. |
| 22:20.59 | Bohemian | no, same disk |
| 22:21.06 | Bohemian | how do i overwrite that, simonrvn ? |
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| 22:21.28 | AimHere | I think what's happening is that Bohemian is trying to overwrite some files |
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| 22:21.45 | Bohemian | yes |
| 22:21.46 | Bohemian | exactly |
| 22:21.46 | simonrvn | mv /foo/themes/* /var/..../themes/ |
| 22:21.47 | AimHere | A quick test with mv and some touched up files in the /tmp dir gives similar results |
| 22:21.49 | Bohemian | how do i do that? |
| 22:22.20 | simonrvn | though watch for . files |
| 22:22.48 | AimHere | I'd use 'cp -R' to copy and overwrite them, then delete the originals with rm -r |
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| 22:22.57 | AimHere | But be careful with cp -R, and ultra careful with rm -r |
| 22:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | chicken! |
| 22:23.25 | ChrisW | hi all, how do you admin the mysql cluster installed when you aptitude install mysql? what username/password should I use to connect? |
| 22:23.37 | ChrisW | AimHere: rm -rf / FTW ;-) |
| 22:23.42 | AimHere | Indeed |
| 22:23.43 | simonrvn | wonders when people will notice what he said |
| 22:23.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, we can't HEEEEAR you... |
| 22:24.12 | simonrvn | CutMeOwnThroat: CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? :P |
| 22:24.25 | AimHere | louder! |
| 22:24.35 | simonrvn | wanders off "have fun kids" |
| 22:24.39 | ChrisW | simonrvn: what did you say? |
| 22:25.47 | ChrisW | so, anyone know about debian's mysql package? |
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| 22:28.23 | zig_ | Anyone know why no matter what website I visit, it says "It works!"? |
| 22:28.30 | zig_ | I assume it's some sort of proxy server that got installed. |
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| 22:28.39 | abrotman | squid ? |
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| 22:29.05 | zig_ | Not installed. |
| 22:29.08 | zig_ | This is a rather fresh install. |
| 22:29.15 | jelly-hme | !seen simonrvn |
| 22:29.16 | dpkg | simonrvn is currently on #debian #debian-bots. Has said a total of 45 messages. Is idling for 5m 2s, last said: 'CutMeOwnThroat: CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? :P'. |
| 22:29.33 | simonrvn | privoxy? |
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| 22:30.10 | AimHere | !seen dpkg |
| 22:30.11 | dpkg | AimHere: i haven't seen 'dpkg' |
| 22:30.30 | AimHere | No fun. |
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| 22:31.12 | zig_ | I'm also trying to figure out why xrdp is going so incredibly slow. |
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| 22:32.14 | zig_ | If I visit google.com on epiphany, it displays "It works!", and if I visit www.google.com, it displays google as it should appear. |
| 22:32.17 | zig_ | This is weird. |
| 22:32.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisW, the password you set or an empty one if you didn't? |
| 22:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ChrisW, and did I mention that reading /usr/share/doc/mysql-server-5.0/README.Debian.gz would be a good idea? |
| 22:34.40 | palomer | from a debian source package I can create a binary package, right? |
| 22:34.48 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:35.01 | palomer | is there a step by step guide for creating source packages? |
| 22:35.25 | abrotman | !source |
| 22:35.26 | dpkg | As an overview: to work with Debian source packages, add a <deb-src> line to your sources list; cd to a location with free space; download the source package with <apt-get source>; edit <debian/rules> to taste; use <dpkg-buildpackage> to build the new .deb. For more details, also ask me about <package recompile> <backport> <nmg> <policy> |
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| 22:36.05 | palomer | that's how you edit a source package... |
| 22:36.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !mg |
| 22:36.10 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) "www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 22:36.10 | palomer | I'd like to create one though |
| 22:36.17 | abrotman | !tell palomer about dpkg-buildpackage |
| 22:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | does the factoid actually suggest Madagascar is made of Magnesium? |
| 22:38.24 | palomer | maint is cool |
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| 22:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | na-na, my factoids are better than yours |
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| 22:40.59 | zig_ | Hm. I cannot ping my dns servers. |
| 22:41.16 | abrotman | that's plausible |
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| 22:45.29 | zig_ | Well, I'm just trying to figure out why this xrdp is going so incredibly slow. |
| 22:45.46 | zig_ | The router was pointing to a win2k3 server not 5 minutes ago |
| 22:46.12 | zig_ | We just redirected the port to the Debian server running rdp instead, and the speed just dropped dramatically. |
| 22:46.47 | newsense | i'm trying to burn a dvd using growisofs and have the video_ts folder but it says it cannot open the .IFO |
| 22:46.50 | zig_ | I really need to figure out why running a web browser and pointing it to anything results in it saying "It works!" |
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| 22:47.15 | MrPocketz | lol |
| 22:47.15 | MrPocketz | dns? |
| 22:47.20 | MrPocketz | you running apache? |
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| 22:47.28 | zig_ | I'm runnin apache, yeah. |
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| 22:47.44 | zig_ | Apparently it thinks any dns request points to loopback. |
| 22:47.50 | hippomikko | Does anybody know if this program "uif2iso" is safe to use? Since it's not part of the repository. It's made by Luigi Auriemma is he Ok? |
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| 22:51.51 | zig_ | Does the fact that I'm running Avahi have anything to do with it? |
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| 22:54.08 | qwd | hippomikko: it's in the repo, maybe you need to check in contrib |
| 22:55.31 | hippomikko | qwd, I forgot the name of the file to cat? :-) |
| 22:55.49 | hippomikko | qwd, /etc/sources? |
| 22:56.01 | qwd | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:56.01 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 22:56.01 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 22:57.03 | hikenboot | how do i get rsync to list differences between two directories that it "failed to sync up" |
| 22:58.10 | zig_ | I can't believe how slow xrdp is. |
| 22:58.11 | newsense | just got done converting a video file to dvd format using dvdauthor, nw i want to burn it |
| 22:59.27 | abrotman | zig_: as host or client ? |
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| 23:04.50 | hippomikko | qwd, Could you check if I did something wrong in my /etc/apt/sources.list? It looked like this when I started the PC. http://pastebin.com/d4077cb94 |
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| 23:05.38 | elli222 | Hi, the maze game, xlaby, ignores all keyboard input (the Q/Z keys to quit, for example) and the mouse is erratic and jittery. Any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 23:05.55 | qwd | hippomikko: aptitude search uif2iso |
| 23:06.20 | stew | elli222: checked the bts? |
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| 23:06.41 | elli222 | sorta. all i see is that the program was orphaned |
| 23:06.55 | stew | elli222: if there is no such bug filed, you should consider filing one yourself |
| 23:07.19 | stew | hippomikko: that looks correct |
| 23:07.38 | stew | hippomikko: but uif2iso is not in lenny, which is why you'd not be seeing it |
| 23:07.41 | stew | hippomikko: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 23:08.46 | hippomikko | stew, what does /msg dpkg ssb mean? Terminal didn't understand that command. |
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| 23:10.06 | abrotman | hippomikko: it's an IRC command |
| 23:10.27 | abrotman | hippomikko: in this channel, type "/msg dpkg ssb" |
| 23:10.30 | stew | dpkg: tell hippomikko about ssb |
| 23:11.39 | hippomikko | stew, abrotman , I see :-) |
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| 23:15.38 | qwd | hippomikko: ah sorry, I'm using squeeze, that's why I was seeing uif2iso |
| 23:15.58 | TangentCollision | so, is debian really good about xorg and 3d? |
| 23:16.17 | hippomikko | qwd, no problem. |
| 23:16.20 | TangentCollision | because I'm currently completely unable to play doom or hexen on archlinux... |
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| 23:17.29 | f00li5h[HireMe] | I keep getting packages failing to install with "syntax error: unknown group `mlocate' in statoverride file" ... what might be causing that? it's a fresh install of lenny |
| 23:18.16 | jelly-hme | !nickometer f00li5h[HireMe] |
| 23:18.17 | dpkg | 'f00li5h[HireMe]' is 57.000% lame, jelly-hme |
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| 23:18.31 | f00li5h[HireMe] | !helpfulmeter jelly-hme |
| 23:19.02 | nsadmin | hmmm... no response... |
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| 23:19.18 | jelly-hme | f00li5h[HireMe]: it probably means the statoverride file (found in /var/lib/dpkg/) is corrupted somehow |
| 23:19.24 | abrotman | f00li5h[HireMe]: is mlocate installed ? |
| 23:19.35 | abrotman | or was it at one time and now removed ? |
| 23:19.41 | f00li5h[HireMe] | abrotman: no idea, if it's required by the package, it should be installed for me, right? |
| 23:19.43 | hippomikko | stew, one last question how do I ask dpkg about backports or whatever to find out if something isn't included in a certain distro version? |
| 23:19.55 | abrotman | f00li5h[HireMe]: it's not required |
| 23:19.58 | f00li5h[HireMe] | mlocate is already the newest version. |
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| 23:20.37 | jelly-hme | f00li5h[HireMe]: if there is mention of mlocate in the current file and no mention of it in the backup version, try putting back the -old file. |
| 23:21.46 | f00li5h[HireMe] | what's this about -old files? |
| 23:22.39 | jelly-hme | /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride* |
| 23:23.03 | jelly-hme | it's an internal dpkg database of minor importance |
| 23:23.18 | jelly-hme | it's a also a plain text file. |
| 23:23.41 | jelly-hme | and there is a backup older version. |
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| 23:27.00 | sandman | Any idea why any website I go to would resolve to a site that says "It works!" |
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| 23:27.04 | sandman | Apparently, it's a proxy of some sort |
| 23:27.22 | sandman | But, it's merely a standard install of Debian. |
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| 23:28.40 | nsadmin | sandman it's bragging about debian? no... seriously... try http://localhost |
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| 23:28.58 | rgr | its the standard default web in /var/www |
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| 23:29.04 | zig_ | Okay |
| 23:29.04 | nsadmin | still get "it works"? |
| 23:29.08 | zig_ | I just connected in here now |
| 23:29.11 | f00li5h[HireMe] | jelly-hme: boht mention mlocate |
| 23:29.14 | zig_ | This is on the server where it's happening. I was sandman a moment ago |
| 23:29.19 | rgr | you need to modify default in 7etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 23:29.21 | zig_ | Yes, it's just displaying "It works!" |
| 23:29.28 | rgr | zig_: correct, |
| 23:30.00 | nsadmin | http://localhost? |
| 23:30.00 | fas3r | what's the command can i use to refresh every x time the result of an other command .. |
| 23:30.00 | rgr | it cant guess what you want it to display. You need to configure it. |
| 23:30.00 | nsadmin | so every site is resolving to localhost |
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| 23:30.11 | nsadmin | fas3r man watch |
| 23:30.37 | zig_ | Well |
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| 23:30.47 | zig_ | I can try to access google.com, for example, and it just redirects to my server. |
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| 23:31.07 | fas3r | nsadmin: yes it's this command i used it before but don't remember -.-' thank ^^ |
| 23:31.12 | rgr | did you edit your hosts file? |
| 23:31.32 | zig_ | No |
| 23:32.05 | nsadmin | are you connected here from that machine? |
| 23:32.06 | hikenboot | if i get rsync: failed to set times on: Permission denied sending to vista with permissions set on the linux side of 0777 and 0777 for the directory what should i change this to , to avoid these errors or is the problem on the windows side? |
| 23:32.11 | zig_ | nsadmin: Yes |
| 23:32.28 | nsadmin | ok, try ping google.com |
| 23:32.41 | nsadmin | ctrl-c to stop it |
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| 23:33.12 | zig_ | Yeah, I know |
| 23:33.14 | zig_ | It resolved properly. |
| 23:33.17 | LimCore | what the hell, I install linux lenny and in first 10 seconds of usage I have 2 bugs related to obvious tool like apt-get |
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| 23:33.30 | nsadmin | so it's not your general networking, not your dns |
| 23:33.32 | LimCore | s/I install/my hosting installs |
| 23:33.50 | zig_ | nsadmin: Okay. I just accessed google.com via epiphany and it displays the It works! bs again |
| 23:33.52 | rgr | maybe he has a proxy turned on in his browser? |
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| 23:34.09 | orudie | how can i uncompress .tar.gz file in terminal ? |
| 23:34.19 | zig_ | Same thing with iceweasel |
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| 23:34.33 | sc | tar zxfv filename.tar.gz |
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| 23:34.38 | nsadmin | maybe it has to do with port 80? |
| 23:34.57 | LimCore | is being flooded by tons of "manconv: can't set the locale; make sure $LC_* and $LANG are correct" wtf |
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| 23:35.07 | zig_ | Okay, iceweasel apparently is set to use System Proxy Settings |
| 23:35.12 | zig_ | I haven't the faintest idea why it would do that by default. |
| 23:35.18 | rgr | blank |
| 23:35.22 | zig_ | Perhaps a proxy was installed through some dependency, or some such? |
| 23:35.35 | zig_ | I do have another question, related to xrdp. |
| 23:35.40 | zig_ | Why is xrdp so incredibly fscking slow? |
| 23:35.41 | nsadmin | sounds possible |
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| 23:36.02 | sivel | LimCore: I think you need to do a dpkg --reconfigure locales |
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| 23:36.40 | sivel | err, dpkg-reconfigure |
| 23:37.12 | LimCore | also I have to first install "locales" |
| 23:37.17 | nsadmin | zig_ what happens when you change that setting so it's not going to a proxy? |
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| 23:37.57 | LimCore | wtf debian is weired.. what it is doing "generating locales" O_o |
| 23:38.00 | rgr | zig_: why would it be fast when you consider what it does? |
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| 23:38.34 | LimCore | is it like calling UNICODE board for the unicode specs and then uses AI to generate the mappings/fonts/whatevers, then compiles them or what |
| 23:38.53 | zig_ | Okay, I just changed the proxy settings of iceweasel to not use a proxy, and it's still giving the old "It works!" message on visiting google.com |
| 23:39.15 | nsadmin | zig_: reload the page |
| 23:39.30 | zig_ | rgr: Well, I dunno. I direct the port on the router to point to Windows Server 2003, and I remote in. It goes wicked fast. |
| 23:39.41 | zig_ | I point the router to the Linux system running xrdp, and it goes _incredibly_ slow |
| 23:39.49 | zig_ | The Linux System is running on thoroughly good hardware, too. |
| 23:39.56 | zig_ | quad-core CPU, 8GB of RAM, etc |
| 23:40.17 | zig_ | nsadmin: I did, still happening. |
| 23:40.31 | zig_ | Strangely, if I visit googecom, it comes up It Works! |
| 23:40.45 | zig_ | I accidentally put in googecom instead of google.com, and it says it works. |
| 23:40.47 | zig_ | Strange. |
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| 23:41.35 | adb | forget factoid about debian kernels |
| 23:42.29 | zig_ | The only thing I installed which was not quite normal was mumble-server |
| 23:43.23 | nsadmin | was any of this ever working right on that machine? |
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| 23:44.21 | zig_ | nsadmin: Yeah. I don't remember exactly when it broke, though. |
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| 23:44.37 | qwd | What's the name of the app in gnome that tells you when to take a break from the computer? |
| 23:44.53 | nsadmin | what's this mumble thing? |
| 23:45.03 | zig_ | It's a VoIP client/server solution. |
| 23:45.07 | zig_ | Apparently it was created with gaming in mind. |
| 23:45.25 | \amethyst | qwd: workrave? |
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| 23:46.31 | qwd | \amethyst: I don't think that's the one I'm thinking of. Isn't there one that comes with Gnome? I think I've seen it somewhere when messing around with settings or looking through menus |
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| 23:47.04 | person | Hello |
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| 23:47.34 | person | How can I make Gnome use Nautilus rather than Thunar? |
| 23:48.22 | jelly-hme | thought Gnome _did_ use Nautilus. |
| 23:48.28 | zig_ | That's strange. deborphan says that I should remove libc6-i386 |
| 23:48.34 | zig_ | Isn't that sorta needed? |
| 23:48.45 | nsadmin | what's your arch |
| 23:49.06 | zig_ | amd64 |
| 23:49.21 | nsadmin | so probably not |
| 23:49.24 | zig_ | So many things are broken here. |
| 23:49.44 | qwd | person: are you sure you don't have xfce? :) |
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| 23:50.14 | person | qwd: I do have Xfce |
| 23:50.33 | person | qwd: I'm in a Gnome session at the moment |
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| 23:50.59 | zig_ | Okay, I removed mumble-server, and it started working. |
| 23:51.24 | zig_ | That's really weird. It screws up my DNS resolution when I run that. |
| 23:51.46 | zig_ | Or, when I install it I mean. |
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| 23:51.49 | zig_ | Makes absolutely no sense at all. |
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| 23:53.54 | paradoxmonkey | How can I tar (gzip) only the files in a directory from the shell? |
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| 23:55.06 | kjfletch | paradoxmonkey: tar has a --no-recursion switch |
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| 23:56.05 | paradoxmonkey | that will only add the files inside the directory, I want it recursive but without the directory the files/dirs reside in |
| 23:56.27 | kjfletch | Ah, you want a flat archive? |
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| 23:57.03 | zig_ | Can I connect to an xrdp server using VNC? |
| 23:57.09 | zig_ | Instead of an rdesktop client? |
| 23:57.15 | zig_ | I just simply cannot believe how incredibly slow xrdp is... |
| 23:57.18 | zig_ | It's mind-boggling |
| 23:57.57 | kjfletch | paradoxmonkey: I don't know how to do this. You could try 'find' to do the flattern and then tar that. Other than that, I can't help. |
| 23:58.00 | paradoxmonkey | tar -czvf /file.tar.gz /home/user/name Add the files/dir inside the "name" dir and also adds the "name" dir to the archive, I don't want to have the "name" dir in the archive |
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| 23:58.53 | kjfletch | tar -czvf /file.tar.gz /home/user/name/* does that not work? |
