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| 00:00.01 | paradoxmonkey | kjfletch: "tar: /mnt/*: Cannot stat: No such file or directory" |
| 00:00.04 | jelly-hme | paradoxmonkey: cd /home/user/name; tar -czvf /path/to/file.tar.gz * |
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| 00:00.26 | jelly-hme | or . instead of * |
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| 00:02.21 | zig_ | I need a functional alternative to xrdp. Anyone have a suggestion? |
| 00:02.36 | paradoxmonkey | jelly-hme: thx :) |
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| 00:05.11 | jelly-hme | zig_: a vnc server? x11vnc if you need it to connect to a running X session? |
| 00:05.27 | ponyofdeath | hi, guys im getting quite an big time drift on my debian squeeze box even after running openntpd? can someone please help me out? |
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| 00:06.03 | jelly-hme | ponyofdeath: is it a real or a virtual machine? |
| 00:06.04 | zig_ | Well, I need something that will prompt for a user-name and password |
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| 00:06.18 | zig_ | Very much like RDServices for Windows. |
| 00:06.21 | jelly-hme | zig_: which functionality do you require? |
| 00:06.29 | zig_ | xrdp does something very close to what I need, except that xrdp is so slow I cannot use it. |
| 00:06.43 | jelly-hme | zig_: vnc has authentication if you tell it so. |
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| 00:07.07 | ali3n | hello guys im having an issue with apt-get update |
| 00:07.12 | zig_ | What I mean is, someone connects it, it prompts for a username/password. If there is no session currently up for said user, it spawns it. |
| 00:07.23 | zig_ | And that's it. |
| 00:07.28 | jelly-hme | zig_: have you considered using ssh instead? |
| 00:07.40 | ponyofdeath | jelly-hme: real machine i get this in the log "ntpd[24710]: adjtime failed: Invalid argument" |
| 00:07.42 | zig_ | You mean ssh+X forwarding? |
| 00:07.51 | \amethyst | X over ssh is even slower than RDP :) |
| 00:07.58 | ali3n | gimmie a minute getting pastebin :) |
| 00:08.03 | zig_ | Well, what's strange is thsi: |
| 00:08.04 | jelly-hme | zig_: no, I mean ssh because you haven't specified which functionality you're after. |
| 00:08.05 | zig_ | this, rather |
| 00:08.21 | zig_ | I need Windows Terminal Services. Except, for Linux. |
| 00:08.42 | zig_ | Basically what xrdp does, except not so incredibly slow that you cannot use it. |
| 00:08.45 | jelly-hme | ponyofdeath: stop your ntpd, run ntpdate pool.ntp.org, then start it again |
| 00:09.06 | jelly-hme | zig_: so you want remote grahpical sessions? |
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| 00:09.25 | zig_ | Not just remote graphical sessions. I can do that with plain vncserver on a per-user basis. |
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| 00:09.42 | zig_ | I need something that will prompt for a user-name/password. If a session is already up for said user, resume it. If not, spawn it. |
| 00:09.46 | zig_ | And that's it. |
| 00:09.52 | \amethyst | ltsp/ldm maybe? |
| 00:10.07 | \amethyst | but that's X-over-ssh so it might be slow |
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| 00:10.29 | zig_ | What's strange to me is that bmp caching is supposed to work with xrdp |
| 00:10.30 | zig_ | But it doesn't. |
| 00:10.43 | jelly-hme | zig_: ok, so you also want ability to detach and resume a session. |
| 00:10.49 | ali3n | http://pastebin.com/d76bd06d8 <<< update error |
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| 00:11.30 | zig_ | jelly-hme: That's it. |
| 00:11.37 | jelly-hme | *phew* |
| 00:11.56 | zig_ | Not thin-client-type stuff, like ltsp. At least, that's what ltsp is all about from what I understand. |
| 00:11.59 | zig_ | Netbooting. |
| 00:13.00 | ponyofdeath | jelly-hme: well i have been doing that quite a few times now still seems to lag behind |
| 00:13.01 | jelly-hme | drop the netbooting part, keep xdm, except... I don't think xdm does detach/resume |
| 00:13.27 | \amethyst | zig_: look at the ldm package |
| 00:13.31 | ali3n | anyone? |
| 00:13.36 | jelly-hme | ponyofdeath: do you have an /etc/adjtime present? |
| 00:14.00 | \amethyst | zig_: I'm not sure if it does detach/resume though |
| 00:14.25 | nsadmin | what does do detach/resume(possibly elsewhere)? |
| 00:14.28 | ali3n | http://pastebin.com/d76bd06d8 <<< update error |
| 00:14.45 | vvor | freeNX |
| 00:14.48 | \amethyst | nsadmin: Windows :) |
| 00:15.04 | jelly-hme | ponyofdeath: if yes... remove it. Also remove any current drift file for your ntpd (I don't know where openntpd keeps it). Reboot, and hope your ntpd manages to sync. :-) |
| 00:15.17 | vvor | & screen |
| 00:15.17 | nsadmin | impossible... that would make it good for something... |
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| 00:15.27 | ponyofdeath | jelly-hme: ok thanks! |
| 00:15.36 | zig_ | Like I said, xrdp is great. It's just incredibly slow. |
| 00:15.46 | jelly-hme | nsadmin: nice troll. |
| 00:16.30 | jelly-hme | uses ssh and screen... no remote X apps. |
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| 00:16.55 | vvor | zig_: freeNX as fast as gui can |
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| 00:17.16 | nsadmin | how does sun do that? |
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| 00:17.51 | ali3n | can someone please help me with an update error located at http://pastebin.com/d76bd06d8 \ |
| 00:18.24 | nsadmin | ali3n: so you've read the thing you pasted and tried to understand it? |
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| 00:19.14 | vvor | nsadmin: No, AFAIN |
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| 00:19.39 | ali3n | it just says to run update WHICH wont work |
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| 00:21.13 | nsadmin | ali3n: oh, that's just a warning |
| 00:21.27 | nsadmin | you can make it go away by installing the key and then running the update |
| 00:21.57 | ali3n | how do i get the key |
| 00:22.20 | nsadmin | try installing debian-archive-keyring |
| 00:22.31 | nsadmin | I think that's the right name |
| 00:22.59 | nsadmin | or you can get it from the key server (good to learn, a few more steps) |
| 00:23.00 | ali3n | ur right :) |
| 00:23.02 | ali3n | thanks :) |
| 00:23.52 | zig_ | It's sort of a shame that there's no package for freenx |
| 00:23.54 | zig_ | Or so it would seem |
| 00:24.36 | nsadmin | notice how I was more motivated to read the paste after you gave a little history and showed that you read it and tried to understand what it means |
| 00:24.50 | vvor | zig_: DL it! 10 min job |
| 00:24.59 | jelly-hme | !freenx |
| 00:25.00 | dpkg | FreeNX is a free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. There are no FreeNX packages in the Debian repositories. http://wiki.debian.org/freenx http://freenx.berlios.de/ #nx on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 00:26.11 | vvor | it may be out-dated DL from the site |
| 00:26.27 | jelly-hme | shrugs |
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| 00:28.40 | zig_ | This is strange. There's no /etc/resolv.conf on this system. |
| 00:29.21 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
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| 00:37.43 | apostle999 | does anybody have recommend the best toolkit for designing graphical user interfaces? |
| 00:38.31 | zinx | apostle999: there isn't a generic best |
| 00:38.37 | zinx | apostle999: only what you like the best |
| 00:39.03 | apostle999 | zinx, what do you prefer? |
| 00:39.18 | zinx | apostle999: gtk+, but others have very different opinions. |
| 00:40.38 | apostle999 | cool, I want to find a retro toggle switch, kind of like on the altair so I can turn off bits for an RF system....would I have to take a toggle button and put a picture in it and based on the event change the picture? |
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| 00:41.27 | zinx | apostle999: this sounds like it would be more suited to a programming channel |
| 00:42.02 | apostle999 | i hear ya |
| 00:42.55 | micols | i have the name of a global variable in a *ptr, i.e. char *ptr = "password"; , how do i assign an address/value to the global variable with the name contained in ptr? |
| 00:43.27 | micols | there is a global var defined outside all scopes like char *password = NULL; i want char *password to have assigned a value. |
| 00:43.46 | zinx | this is not #C :x |
| 00:44.01 | micols | once again my irssi aliases messes up, sorry |
| 00:47.43 | fas3r | in iptables log .. can i convert IP dst by domain nam (such as www.google.fr) ? |
| 00:48.12 | CodeNinja | if I use dd if=/dev/hdb of=/dev/hda and hdb has partitions on it, will it also copy the partition table? |
| 00:49.04 | micols | fas3r: just do `host` on them |
| 00:50.10 | fas3r | micols: ? |
| 00:50.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | CodeNinja, yes, everything |
| 00:50.49 | CodeNinja | :) |
| 00:52.12 | jelly-hme | assuming the destination device is at least as big as the source one |
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| 00:52.30 | CodeNinja | equal afaik |
| 00:52.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | true... else it's everything that fits |
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| 00:53.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | but we may assume that partition tables at least will fit on the new disk :-P |
| 00:53.31 | jelly-hme | we? |
| 00:54.04 | jelly-hme | that depends on the partition table format |
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| 00:58.22 | Castranegros | Channel for Debian users to talk about their hatred of niggers! #chimpout |
| 00:58.26 | Castranegros | #chimpout |
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| 00:59.09 | LimCore_ | hi guys, is it true that Debian ignores exploits in java, like http://www.vupen.com/english/advisories/2009/2153 ? |
| 00:59.17 | LimCore_ | (i.e. not backporting fixes to Lenny)? |
| 00:59.24 | LimCore_ | http://www.cert.fi/en/reports/2009/vulnerability2009085.html |
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| 01:00.46 | zig_ | So nobody knows why xrdp goes so incredibly slow? |
| 01:01.19 | zinx | zig_: do other terminal services clients go faster? |
| 01:01.50 | zig_ | Hugely. |
| 01:02.01 | zig_ | It actually seems to be eating up all the bandwidth for the server |
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| 01:02.22 | zinx | oh, xrdp is a server o_O |
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| 01:02.58 | zinx | zig_: i would suggest using vnc instead, or just starting an X server w/ remote apps :/ |
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| 01:03.11 | zig_ | Yeah. xrdp is entirely unusable. |
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| 01:05.26 | maf54 | with apt-get how do i remove a package without it wanting to autoremove other stuff? |
| 01:05.47 | streuner | which package? |
| 01:05.56 | maf54 | does it matter? |
| 01:06.22 | streuner | no, nothing matters, dont tell us any details and you get help ;-) |
| 01:06.46 | maf54 | k, sounds good |
| 01:07.14 | streuner | we need details, otherwise we cant help! |
| 01:07.37 | maf54 | why do you need to know what package? i dont even have one in mind |
| 01:07.59 | streuner | so its a therethic question? |
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| 01:08.12 | TheAvatar | What is it, that rotates /var/log/mail.log on Debian? I want to store more than 6-7 days of logs, and I cant seem to find anything regarding 'logrotate' that has the current 6-7 days listed+compression |
| 01:08.15 | maf54 | ya |
| 01:08.20 | streuner | no, depends would resolve.... |
| 01:08.34 | maf54 | hmm? |
| 01:08.49 | streuner | usually, apt-get take care about depends, and remove other packages... |
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| 01:09.32 | streuner | why not? if they are not needed anymore, it removes it.... |
| 01:10.11 | streuner | there is no sense to use packages which are not needed... |
| 01:10.24 | maf54 | starting to remember why freenode sucks |
| 01:10.29 | maf54 | peace, faggot |
| 01:11.04 | streuner | !customer |
| 01:11.04 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building. |
| 01:11.16 | streuner | shakes his head |
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| 01:14.05 | CodeNinja | TheAvatar: logrotate, /etc/logrotate* |
| 01:14.38 | jmarsden | TheAvatar: /etc/logrotate.d/rsyslog # handles /var/log/mail.log and has both "rotate 7" and "compress" set up. |
| 01:16.28 | TheAvatar | not here, but I found out, it was in /etc/cron.[daily|weekly]/syslogd |
| 01:16.49 | TheAvatar | but I think its because I dont use rsyslog, but only syslog or so |
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| 01:22.42 | zig_ | Has anyone else tried xrdp? |
| 01:22.50 | zig_ | Or is it really slow for everyone |
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| 01:27.09 | Justin | zig_: if you care about performance, try NX |
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| 01:28.01 | orudie | how can I give a user permission to write within /var/www directory ? |
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| 01:28.53 | zig_ | Does NX have a windows client? |
| 01:28.56 | Meiskam | i'm trying to resize/move a partition, and i can't figure out how |
| 01:29.16 | orudie | I tried to accomplish this with usermod -aG www-data <user> , and still can't write |
| 01:29.33 | rgr | orudie: don't. provide a symbolic link from there to their web data folders in their home. be sure to set 755 access permissions on all routes to that data. |
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| 01:32.15 | Meiskam | I'm using GParted |
| 01:32.16 | zig_ | What's this I hear about Neatx replacing FreeNX? |
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| 01:35.25 | zig_ | I think NX is going to be unusable for me, because it doesn't have a Windows client. |
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| 01:43.30 | Justin | zig_: nomachine makes the nx client, pretty sure it works with any server |
| 01:43.37 | Justin | s/nx client/windows nx client/ |
| 01:43.50 | Justin | on linux you can use whatever client you want |
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| 01:46.54 | aef | hi, has anyone ever installed ifolder on debian lenny? |
| 01:47.02 | aef | i can't find any instructions |
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| 01:47.36 | streuner | usually in /usr/share/doc/<package> |
| 01:47.51 | streuner | there should be something about |
| 01:48.07 | aef | streuner: well, if there were a package |
| 01:48.34 | aef | seems only to be packaged for opensuse... |
| 01:48.42 | streuner | oh |
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| 01:48.54 | BadHorsie | !away |
| 01:48.55 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BitchX, /set auto_away off; in XChat, Preferences > Chatting > General > uncheck Announce Away Messages; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 01:50.11 | streuner | aef: what is ifolder good for? is there another package in Debian which solve your needs for? |
| 01:50.57 | aef | streuner: i don't think so, it's a two way folder sync and sharing system with a server component and cross platform clients |
| 01:51.25 | streuner | !listvals ifolder |
| 01:51.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ifolder' by value returned no results. |
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| 01:51.37 | streuner | !listkeys ifolder |
| 01:51.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'ifolder' by key returned no results. |
| 01:51.54 | streuner | great |
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| 01:52.32 | aef | it's like that hyped dropbox thing, only that you can do your own server and don't have to place your private files on the disks of those perverts |
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| 01:57.30 | vajorie | shush |
| 01:57.34 | adb | !ops Santa123 spam |
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| 01:57.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: adb complains about: Santa123 spam |
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| 01:58.20 | streuner | mentor: at this time awake? :-) |
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| 01:59.11 | streuner | mentor: anyway, thanks to get rid of the troll :-) |
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| 02:00.00 | hikenboot | mode=0777 results in a samba share where the root folder time stamps cant be changed what permissions do i use to allow this change |
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| 02:08.44 | rgr | "/layout sav" right? It doesn't, |
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| 02:12.54 | acu | I want to install any realplayer for AMD64 can anyone help where is the package |
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| 02:15.03 | Justin | acu: realplayer? why? |
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| 02:16.53 | acu | Justin: reaplayer is a popular playerand many sites stream realmedia and vlc does not work for them (stops after 2 =-3 min) also the VLC is screwed in itself - you have a squash to the right - and black and white - |
| 02:17.29 | Justin | try mplayer? |
| 02:17.45 | craigevil | mplayer can play realmedia, i havent seen a site in ages that needed realplayer |
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| 02:18.55 | acu | mplayer never worked for me - I use mplayer to download the movies |
| 02:19.37 | acu | OK, I will try now - hold on for few minutes |
| 02:19.52 | mentor | streuner: I'm scheduled to be awake for several more hours yet |
| 02:21.06 | orudie | i'm trying to grand write access to one of my users within /var/www/ by adding this user to group www-data , but for some reason that doesn't work |
| 02:21.09 | orudie | any ideas ? |
| 02:21.24 | Justin | orudie: ls -ld /var/www |
| 02:21.53 | zig_ | Why does it seem like all NX does it pipe VNC traffic through a compressed SSH link? |
| 02:21.58 | stew | orudie: is there a reason that www-data needs write access to /var/www ? why not just make this user own whatever files that they need to edit? |
| 02:22.02 | zig_ | is* |
| 02:22.13 | Justin | zig_: that's not at all what it does |
| 02:22.29 | orudie | Justin, ls -ld |
| 02:22.29 | orudie | drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data www-data 4096 Dec 23 01:24 . |
| 02:22.30 | zig_ | I simply cannot believe how fast this NX thing is |
| 02:22.45 | zig_ | It is so much faster than xrdp/tightvnc/realvnc I can't even begin to describe... |
| 02:22.56 | zig_ | This is utterly earthshattering, how good this is. |
| 02:23.05 | orudie | stew, well probably because that is not very safe ? |
| 02:23.05 | Justin | orudie: chmod g+w /var/www |
| 02:23.06 | zig_ | Why is freenx not in the official repos? |
| 02:23.20 | Justin | zig_: nx is kind of obscure |
| 02:23.31 | streuner | !freenx |
| 02:23.32 | dpkg | FreeNX is a free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. There are no FreeNX packages in the Debian repositories. http://wiki.debian.org/freenx http://freenx.berlios.de/ #nx on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:23.32 | zig_ | This is a mind-bogglingly good software package for terminal services |
| 02:23.38 | stew | orudie: what's not very safe? giving the webserver access to overwrite the files it serves? yes, probably |
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| 02:24.27 | Justin | the nx libs are packaged and some of the tools though |
| 02:24.29 | acu | justin and craigevil so mplayer is in usr/lib? |
| 02:24.31 | streuner | zig_: well, not secure enough for Debian |
| 02:24.31 | orudie | stew, so basically drwxr-xr-x 2 www-data www-data 4096 Dec 23 01:24 . are unsafe permissions ? |
| 02:24.38 | zig_ | It's not secure? |
| 02:24.39 | Justin | the google nx server would probaby run ok |
| 02:24.42 | zig_ | How is VNC secure, I wonder |
| 02:24.49 | stew | orudie: why does the www-data user need write access to that directory? |
| 02:25.23 | Justin | the nxclient uses ssh keys in a weird way |
| 02:25.34 | Justin | i think it is an option on new clients to just use normal ssh authentication |
| 02:25.34 | zig_ | I see. |
| 02:25.39 | bbelt16ag1 | hmmp |
| 02:25.47 | zig_ | Well, in any case. xrdp is utterly unusable |
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| 02:25.50 | orudie | stew, well thats because for things like drupal and phpbb where content is constatly changing |
| 02:26.23 | Justin | im sure you can get one of them portableapps for the windows nx client to make it easy to run |
| 02:26.26 | stew | orudie: they need to change stuff in /var/www? or in some subdirectory? |
| 02:26.44 | zig_ | nx seems to be the only viable solution here. |
| 02:26.59 | Justin | orudie: you really should be making a virtualhost and not using /var/www |
| 02:27.10 | orudie | Justin, I am |
| 02:27.36 | zig_ | Well. |
| 02:27.42 | stew | orudie: you should try to limit the drupal / phpbb to be able to write only to the directories they need to write to, and not directories where you are going to allow php to be executed from |
| 02:27.51 | zig_ | I'm just going to have to figure out how NX does their thing. I wonder if NeatX will find its way into the Debian repos someday. |
| 02:28.40 | Justin | zig_: it is explained online, it uses differential compression and caching |
| 02:29.08 | Justin | fyi, some vnc clients do caching, but it is kind of buggy |
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| 02:30.18 | fas3r | what's the best use ulogd or syslog-ng + php and mysql ? |
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| 02:35.57 | GattoDiSchroding | hi |
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| 02:45.08 | nibby | 64-bit Debian Lenny. |
| 02:45.12 | fas3r | how can i exploit other tables provided with ulogd .. by default all data go in ulgd tables .. but i ee other tables like : tcp_ports, udp_ports or last_update .. i dont find lot of doc for that ... if you have an idea ... |
| 02:45.19 | nibby | I just tried to run a 16-bit Windows application and it worked... |
| 02:45.33 | nibby | Which is weird since I have both a 64-bit processor and a 64-bit OS. |
| 02:45.39 | GattoDiSchroding | what do you think about google chrome? |
| 02:45.46 | nibby | Not a fan |
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| 02:48.59 | GattoDiSchroding | I've tried for a short time but it seems the browser with which I have had fewer problems |
| 02:49.36 | GattoDiSchroding | I refer particularly to the crashes due to flashplayer |
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| 02:52.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | the _main_ thing we think is that it's offtopic in #d, though |
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| 02:54.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh he's gorn... |
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| 02:55.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously wine can emulate 32bit windows on a 64bit system if that's what it's supposed to do? |
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| 02:58.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems "wine" is always wine32 and wine64 is wine64 |
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| 03:01.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | zzzzzz |
| 03:01.30 | Meiskam | i've got a 64 bit processor, but have never used any os other than 32 bit |
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| 03:06.20 | gele_ | I got kicked out and don't know how far I got - did anyone see any messages from me? |
| 03:06.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah, you asked "I got kicked out and don't know how far I got - did anyone see any messages from me?" |
| 03:07.03 | gele_ | Meh. |
| 03:07.12 | Meiskam | nothing for the past 1.5 hours |
| 03:07.16 | gele_ | Starting over: |
| 03:07.20 | gele_ | Hello, I'm having a problem with S3 suspend: whenever I suspend my laptop by closing the lid and then open it again after a while, it wakes up for a couple of seconds and then goes right back to S3 again. If I close and open the lid again, or press the power button, it wakes up and stays up. |
| 03:07.25 | gele_ | This only happens when I suspended the laptop by closing the lid, not when I use any software command to do it. |
| 03:07.27 | gele_ | I'm thinking there may be two processes listening for the "lid closed" event, so they try to put the computer to sleep twice... any idea how to debug that? |
| 03:07.30 | gele_ | (this started happening after a recent batch of updates, on Testing) |
| 03:07.32 | gele_ | Done |
| 03:10.06 | fas3r | where i can find the command git ? |
| 03:10.26 | nsadmin | every one here is a command git! |
| 03:10.53 | nsadmin | seriously... try aptitude install git |
| 03:11.00 | fas3r | i did ^^ |
| 03:11.07 | jdahm | git-core |
| 03:11.11 | nsadmin | judd versions git |
| 03:11.12 | judd | nsadmin: git -- etch: 4.3.20-10 lenny: 4.9.4-1 sid: 4.9.4-1 |
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| 03:11.44 | nsadmin | fas3r with what result? |
| 03:12.00 | fas3r | but it's install git but not git-core ;) |
| 03:12.01 | fas3r | thank |
| 03:12.14 | zig_ | Does any VNC version do any bitmap caching? |
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| 03:13.07 | nsadmin | judd depends git |
| 03:13.08 | judd | nsadmin: git -- Depends: gnuit |
| 03:13.27 | nsadmin | judd depends gnuit |
| 03:13.28 | judd | nsadmin: gnuit -- Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7-1), libncurses5 (>= 5.6+20071006-3) |
| 03:13.53 | maximi89 | hi guys, Debian have a tool similar to fpaste CLI tool |
| 03:13.54 | maximi89 | ? |
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| 03:14.09 | nsadmin | what's fpaste? |
| 03:14.26 | maximi89 | fpaste do the work of a pastebin web page |
| 03:14.27 | nsadmin | judd versions fpaste |
| 03:14.28 | judd | nsadmin: fpaste -- |
| 03:14.57 | maximi89 | example, you want to paste lsmod or anything you want |
| 03:15.01 | nsadmin | so, it's a web server that allows you to upload text files? |
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| 03:15.07 | maximi89 | lsmod|fpaste |
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| 03:15.22 | meiskam` | ok my bnc is pissing me off |
| 03:15.23 | nsadmin | oh, pastebinit |
| 03:15.28 | maximi89 | nsadmin, yeah, you can upload anything you want |
| 03:15.32 | maximi89 | pastebinit? |
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| 03:15.33 | maximi89 | :O |
| 03:16.03 | maximi89 | that's new for me, in my entire life on Debian never i heard that |
| 03:16.04 | maximi89 | :P |
| 03:16.08 | nsadmin | while this acts as in the example you posted, it's not exactly what you describe: |
| 03:16.40 | maximi89 | nsadmin, can you describe the work of pastebinit?, maybe is my poor english ahaha |
| 03:16.46 | nsadmin | if fpaste is a server that stores pastes, pastebinit is not that. |
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| 03:17.03 | maximi89 | but what do exactly pastebinit? |
| 03:17.04 | nsadmin | pastebinit works with an -existing- pastebin |
| 03:17.20 | nsadmin | you would say: dmesg | pastebinit |
| 03:17.53 | nsadmin | and then pastebinit takes its stdin, connects to some pastebin server, uploads, tells you the url |
| 03:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell gele_ -about suspend troubleshooting |
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| 03:18.10 | maximi89 | nsadmin, pastebinit paste the text to a previous defined paste web page? |
| 03:18.17 | nsadmin | yes |
| 03:18.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | gele_, although I realize that it's probably not so very useful in your case |
| 03:18.35 | maximi89 | nice, that's nice too |
| 03:18.49 | maximi89 | fpaste past the output only to pastebin |
| 03:18.58 | maximi89 | of fedora paste web page |
| 03:19.11 | nsadmin | and tells you what the paste web page says is the URL it returned |
| 03:19.31 | jmarsden | maximi89: pastebinit can use several different pastebin servers... aptitude install pastebinit and man pastebinit for all the details :) |
| 03:19.33 | maximi89 | yeah |
| 03:19.52 | maximi89 | the webpage where is pasted the output is returned like an a URL |
| 03:20.13 | rgr | im on hour 4 or something and I have a nide screen based setup I am now running by ssh'ing into my main pc from my laptop with 3 splot containers and 8 auto connected irc channels. Its pretty easy if you read the basic beginners guide. Is it better than erc in emacs? Probaby not, but its light, fast and good. |
| 03:20.14 | nsadmin | so then you tell us that url |
| 03:20.25 | rgr | sorry. wrong channel. |
| 03:20.27 | maximi89 | jmarsden, this is a great tool, on Fedora the people use several fpaste |
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| 03:21.00 | nsadmin | what's a "better"? |
| 03:21.11 | nsadmin | someone who gambles? |
| 03:21.38 | maximi89 | who say that? |
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| 03:21.39 | maximi89 | :O |
| 03:22.07 | maximi89 | best of that? |
| 03:22.57 | nsadmin | maximi89: a different solution involves xclip |
| 03:23.24 | nsadmin | dmesg | xclip |
| 03:23.50 | maximi89 | xclip? but that do the same as fpaste and pastebinit? |
| 03:23.51 | nsadmin | then your middle mouse button is loaded... fire at will (but not at me!) |
| 03:24.14 | nsadmin | no, more general. |
| 03:24.33 | nsadmin | instead of saving to a pastebin, it holds it in the x clipboard |
| 03:25.00 | maximi89 | well |
| 03:25.13 | nsadmin | when you then hit your middle mouse button (or whichever you configure, if not the default) it will send that text to any window |
| 03:25.23 | nsadmin | so |
| 03:25.26 | maximi89 | but no body come to an IRC to paste the output of a tool |
| 03:25.27 | maximi89 | ahaha |
| 03:25.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | nsadmin, don't ever speak ill of your betters! |
| 03:25.34 | nsadmin | correct... |
| 03:25.52 | nsadmin | you mean all gamblers are ill??! |
| 03:26.31 | maximi89 | :O |
| 03:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | if that was actually a serious question I could answer it in #d-ot |
| 03:26.38 | maximi89 | nice channerl |
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| 03:27.25 | maximi89 | what is debhelper? |
| 03:27.28 | nsadmin | but instead of pasting to the irc, you can paste to anything, a web form element, a shell window (maybe that's running something like cat | filename.txt) |
| 03:27.46 | maximi89 | or to a chat window |
| 03:27.48 | maximi89 | like msn |
| 03:27.50 | maximi89 | or skype |
| 03:28.04 | nsadmin | it's a buncha tiny tools (each with manpages) that help to make debian packages |
| 03:28.10 | maximi89 | yeah, that both tools are very good one |
| 03:28.26 | nsadmin | each does a little piece, either prep work or actually b8uilding the .deb |
| 03:28.31 | stew | maximi89: if you mean the bot in this channel, its a flood protection eggdrop |
| 03:28.33 | maximi89 | a tool that like me very much is apt-listbug |
| 03:28.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | yay to xclip </dev/zero |
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| 03:29.05 | maximi89 | stew, i see a message +l 851 :O |
| 03:29.13 | maximi89 | what mean that? |
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| 03:29.46 | stew | maximi89: that it is setting the limit of the number of people allowed to join the channel to 851 |
| 03:29.59 | maximi89 | :O |
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| 03:30.51 | maximi89 | something good of Debian is the bugreport, is fast than fedora bugtracker... |
| 03:30.57 | nsadmin | anyone like any of the "head first, a brain-friendly guide" books? |
| 03:31.14 | nsadmin | like head first html css xhtml |
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| 03:32.56 | nsadmin | maximi89 mostly the bug report tools just send an email |
| 03:33.55 | maximi89 | yeah i know, but the bugreport of fedora is the best in give an a slower response |
| 03:33.57 | zig_ | Is there something I can do to somehow manage a network with relatively small bandwidth? |
| 03:34.16 | zig_ | Something to somehow manage all the connections on the network to make it to so that things seem to lag less? |
| 03:34.20 | zig_ | Even when there's heavy utilization? |
| 03:34.35 | stew | zig_: have a look at the wondershaper package |
| 03:34.41 | nsadmin | I guess you could lower your MTU |
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| 03:35.09 | rgr | when using screen after sshing in I get a screen inside a screen and cant navigate the inner screen tabs. What am I doing wrong? |
| 03:35.52 | nsadmin | when you start the inner screen you can tell it to use a different attention char |
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| 03:36.21 | maximi89 | guys, in Debian have you experienced any problem when you resume from hibernate state, the X server entire in black?... |
| 03:37.04 | nsadmin | that;s exactly what the bug tracking system is for :) |
| 03:37.23 | nsadmin | if people have "experienced a problem" they would write about it |
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| 03:39.46 | maximi89 | nsadmin, yeah i know, but i mean to get information from debian to fix a problem with fedora, i have a laptop gateway nv5214u, and this start to fail after an update i made |
| 03:40.55 | trstag | how can you find under Debian which package provides a command. For example how do I find which package contains "xmkmf"? |
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| 03:41.31 | stew | trstag: if the package is installed, you can use dpkg -S, if not you can use apt-file (/msg dpkg apt-file) |
| 03:43.20 | trstag | ah, I had to find first which package was providing apt-file but a "apt-cach search apt-file" helped me ;) |
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| 03:45.23 | nsadmin | maximi89: that doesn't mean you couldn't try to find debian bug reports |
| 03:45.37 | nsadmin | note, of course they may or may not help you with fedora |
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| 03:46.21 | maximi89 | but asking here is the first step to kown if i'm on the right way |
| 03:46.23 | maximi89 | :P |
| 03:46.35 | maximi89 | i have a lot of problem here ahaha |
| 03:46.40 | nsadmin | in your converation here, the more background info you have already looked thru, the more depth and breadth your conversation here can be. |
| 03:47.04 | nsadmin | actually it's (socially) a better idea to get info from -not- human sources first |
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| 03:47.53 | nsadmin | reason 1: you don't look like an idiot... reason 2: other people don't think that, and |
| 03:48.13 | maximi89 | :) |
| 03:48.40 | nsadmin | reason 3: are more motivated to help you since you provide a bit of reference material that you already have before you ask and therefore don't suffer from (1) |
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| 03:49.53 | trstag | the fun continues: "gcc not found"... Ah ah, but now I know how to fix that :) |
| 03:50.05 | maximi89 | i have reported a lot of bug to Debian project, and to Fedora project, well more than 10 per distribution |
| 03:50.26 | stew | trstag: you'd fix that by installing build-essential |
| 03:52.17 | nsadmin | and just so you know... this is -all over- the internet... people who are grouchier ^W more busy are going to be less likely to help if they find you hadn't done any work yourself and by the same token more likely to help if they see (1) you have done work or (2) show increased knowledge due to questions that might be more specific or at minimum are not just a repeat of the question from (say) 3 hours ago |
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| 03:53.16 | trstag | stew: oh ok... build-essential. I was confused trying to find which package was providing *the* 'make'. A apt-file search make | wc -l would return 7245 matches :) |
| 03:53.57 | stew | trstag: build-essential will include make (which, is in the "make" package) |
| 03:54.39 | stew | trstag: and for a search like that, you might limit your search to "apt-file search usr/bin/make" |
| 03:55.01 | fas3r | what's the best version lenny or testing ? |
| 03:55.12 | fas3r | lenny is stable no ? |
| 03:55.28 | stew | fas3r: lenny. yes. |
| 03:55.31 | icebrain | yes |
| 03:55.47 | fas3r | so package is n't really update ^^ |
| 03:56.06 | maximi89 | :O |
| 03:56.20 | stew | fas3r: what do you mean? |
| 03:56.30 | stew | fas3r: are you asking if packages in stable are not really updated? |
| 03:56.50 | fas3r | i mean i need to use libnfnetlink for example and on lenny it's 0.39 .. but the 1.0 is release since month ^^ |
| 03:56.54 | trstag | stew: gotcha, thanks a lot for the tips |
| 03:57.32 | fas3r | stew: yes it's my question |
| 03:57.48 | stew | fas3r: then the answer is "yes" this is the very meaning of stable: not changing |
| 03:58.02 | fas3r | so i can change it in testing ? |
| 03:58.17 | stew | fas3r: you can change it in stable |
| 03:58.26 | nsadmin | fas3r: official line, is if you're new to debian you should stay with stable |
| 03:58.45 | nsadmin | fas3r: having said that, you can do what you want, at your own risk |
| 03:58.50 | fas3r | no no i'm not new just a problem with version ^^ |
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| 03:59.38 | nsadmin | not new to debian? ok, then it depends on what you want the debian for, and how much stability you want/need |
| 04:00.00 | fas3r | yeah of course |
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| 04:00.28 | fas3r | but if i nned to install all package at the hand because lenny don't release it it's .... -.-' boring ^^ |
| 04:01.11 | nsadmin | once a debian testing becomes stable and released... it. does. not, change. |
| 04:01.19 | nsadmin | that's how you get stability |
| 04:01.41 | simonrvn | it's called stable for a reason.... |
| 04:01.48 | fas3r | yes sure |
| 04:02.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, because there are lots of horses in it? |
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| 04:02.24 | nsadmin | you'd need that more on a server and especially when that server is to give service to thousands or millions of people |
| 04:02.38 | fas3r | it's my gateway so.... ^^ |
| 04:02.56 | nsadmin | your gateway? you're not going to run stuff on it anyway |
| 04:03.05 | fas3r | yeah |
| 04:03.06 | nsadmin | so you might as well run stable |
| 04:03.26 | fas3r | just my apache , bind ,smb, radius .. everything i need |
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| 04:03.50 | nsadmin | for your information... you shouldn't run those things on a gateway |
| 04:04.00 | nsadmin | for security reasons |
| 04:04.12 | fas3r | i don't have money so i do how i can ^^ |
| 04:04.28 | fas3r | but yes it's true |
| 04:04.39 | nsadmin | if it's your gateway, don't you have machines on the other side of it? |
| 04:04.55 | fas3r | yes yes |
| 04:05.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | why should that improve security? |
| 04:05.16 | fas3r | i have small appart too much noise ^^ |
| 04:05.26 | nsadmin | just a suggestion (again, it's up to you) you should run that stuff on one of your internals |
| 04:05.47 | fas3r | well i chroot everything and i use a lot of virtual interfaces |
| 04:05.56 | fas3r | so i guess it's good .. |
| 04:06.16 | nsadmin | at least you're paying attention to the issues |
| 04:06.20 | f3ar007 | how can i set the domain of a debian server on my network? i would like to change it from .local to .sheeva |
| 04:06.32 | fas3r | and ihave real interface for isp, lan and ap |
| 04:06.39 | f3ar007 | hostname -v returns the correct hostname but hostname -d returns unknown host |
| 04:07.12 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: running things on a gateway that listens on ports makes one more thing hazxq0rz can come in on |
| 04:07.38 | f3ar007 | for instance instead of sheevaplug.local, i would like sheevaplug.foobar |
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| 04:07.59 | nsadmin | you have a sheevaplug? |
| 04:08.02 | f3ar007 | yes |
| 04:08.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | but _if_ one of those services is compromized, the only difference is that it's the gateway someone gets instead of something else |
| 04:08.11 | nsadmin | how do you like it? |
| 04:08.24 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: true. |
| 04:08.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | which means he can watch the traffic again, _if_ he's also root |
| 04:08.53 | f3ar007 | its cool, i only use it for a few purpose, nfs, samba, cups, http server, and nas |
| 04:09.03 | nsadmin | maybe it's the gateway they want if what they're after is bandwidth necessary to attack someone else |
| 04:09.10 | f3ar007 | if only i had more to do with it :P |
| 04:09.29 | nsadmin | I'm looking to use one as a gw |
| 04:09.32 | f3ar007 | but it was just an inexpensive replacement for print server and nas, originally at least |
| 04:09.37 | f3ar007 | it run gnump3d as well |
| 04:09.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | and mostly you can do that anyway... e.g. if it's just a hub or if you tickle the switch a bit |
| 04:09.52 | nsadmin | but I want it to have two eths |
| 04:10.16 | nsadmin | never seen a sheeva that has 2 nics tho |
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| 04:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the 'gateway' is probably his dsl router |
| 04:10.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | that doesn't have magically more bandwidth than anything else either |
| 04:11.38 | nsadmin | I guess it's possible to harden a net, to only allow specific outgoings |
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| 04:14.00 | nsadmin | CutMeOwnThroat: so while that's not normally done, it could be set up that way if the person is that worried about breakins |
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| 04:30.30 | Shtl | i have a server PC with lenny OS, to which all client PCs are connected through a switch in between, and access the internel, Now my question is i want to block only internet access to client PC whos IP is xx:xx:xx:xx, how can i do this?? |
| 04:32.52 | Tramp | !tell Shtl -about iptables |
| 04:33.15 | zig_ | Is it possible to boot from a software RAID partition yet? |
| 04:33.34 | fas3r | stupid questid i just execute dconfig -p | grep libnetfilter.. to see .. and i have this two lines) "libnetfilter_queue_libipq.so.1 (libc6) => /usr/local/lib/libnetfilter_queue_libipq.so.1 / libnetfilter_queue_libipq.so.1 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libnetfilter_queue_libipq.so.1". By default it will use the .so or the .so.1 in the other folder ? |
| 04:33.41 | Shtl | Tramp: for this we have to use iptables?? |
| 04:33.55 | fas3r | ldconfig* |
| 04:34.32 | Tramp | Shtl: you could also do it with ip (e.g. a blackhole route) but that's more complicated IMHO |
| 04:34.35 | icebrain | Shtl: iptables -A OUTPUT -d XX.XX.XX.XX -j DROP â should do it, no? |
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| 04:35.16 | Shtl | ok |
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| 04:35.36 | icebrain | Shtl: ops, sorry, no, -d is for destination IP |
| 04:35.37 | Shtl | icebrain: i have not yet checked it..., i will do it |
| 04:35.48 | Shtl | ok |
| 04:36.15 | icebrain | probably -s (source) instead |
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| 04:36.31 | icebrain | but I'm not sure, so test it or ask someone else :P |
| 04:36.33 | Tramp | and "OUTPUT" is the wrong place (if I understand his question correctly) |
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| 04:37.18 | Tramp | if he means "internet access /for/ client PC" he wants to modify the FORWARD chain of the filter table |
| 04:37.27 | fas3r | yes |
| 04:37.41 | fas3r | it's in the forward tables |
| 04:37.42 | icebrain | Tramp: oh, of course... I'll shut up :| |
| 04:38.05 | TCW___ | stew, guess... I did forget my actual question because of the ban-issue :) |
| 04:38.06 | Tramp | there is no forward table |
| 04:38.22 | fas3r | iptables -A FORWARD -s X.X.X.X -dport 80 -j DROP |
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| 04:38.53 | stew | TCW___: you wanted to know when squeeze was going to release |
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| 04:38.55 | icebrain | fas3r: why only block 80? Shtl said "internet access", not "web" |
| 04:39.14 | fas3r | ok well remove --dport 80 ^^ |
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| 04:40.41 | TCW___ | stew, actually no... I have a magic looking glass for such questions so I do not need to ask here ;) |
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| 04:42.16 | kaushal | hi |
| 04:42.26 | CyrusYzgTt | hi |
| 04:42.34 | kaushal | when is Debian Squeeze going to be released |
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| 04:42.44 | kaushal | I am eager to use it :) |
| 04:42.51 | nsadmin | kaushal: so use it! |
| 04:42.51 | TCW___ | *lol* |
| 04:43.00 | Kvant | wwsr |
| 04:43.01 | Kvant | !wwsr |
| 04:43.02 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel> |
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| 04:43.21 | nsadmin | are you a better? |
| 04:43.33 | kaushal | TCW___: what makes you laugh ? |
| 04:43.53 | roger21 | hi, how can i change the dbl click delay without the graphical interface (that allow to set that) ? |
| 04:44.56 | liable | xset iirc |
| 04:45.03 | liable | without it.. hmm |
| 04:45.19 | liable | how do you use double click without x ? |
| 04:45.28 | TCW___ | kaushal, someone said something about soemthing and someone a while before you did join, so... just don't mind :) |
| 04:45.57 | roger21 | no i meant the ... i don't know, thing that allow to set the thing |
| 04:46.06 | kaushal | Kvant: so it will be released to public for production ? |
| 04:46.09 | liable | very descriptive.. |
| 04:46.14 | roger21 | yes i know its so much clear now |
| 04:46.29 | Kvant | kaushal, some months after the freeze i expect |
| 04:46.51 | kaushal | so someone around september 2010 |
| 04:46.52 | TCW___ | Ahhh! I remeber! :) |
| 04:47.00 | roger21 | yeah whatever, the question would be : how may i change the dbl click delay ? |
| 04:47.00 | nsadmin | kaushal: no matter what state debian is in, if you use it for production purposes, you would take the heat if something goes wront... |
| 04:47.11 | liable | xset |
| 04:47.18 | roger21 | hum |
| 04:47.23 | roger21 | does it stay |
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| 04:47.33 | nsadmin | does it stay where? |
| 04:48.01 | roger21 | stay when i restart |
| 04:48.11 | TCW___ | What was the path again where apt stores its lists? /var/cache/something? I don't find it at the moment. apt-cache foobar gives me a segfault, I wanna remove the list cache... |
| 04:48.31 | liable | no |
| 04:48.39 | nsadmin | think of what would have to happen for it to stay |
| 04:48.39 | nevyn | TCW___: /var/state/apt/ |
| 04:48.40 | kaushal | Kvant: what does freeze date mean ? I did not understand that |
| 04:48.50 | roger21 | it used to be in xorg.conf, wasn't it |
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| 04:49.05 | Kvant | !tell kaushal about freeze |
| 04:49.17 | TCW___ | nevyn, can't be |
| 04:49.21 | nsadmin | kaushal: debian has varying levels of freezing |
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| 04:49.39 | stew | TCW___: /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 04:49.44 | liable | actually, xset doesn't do the mouse click parameters anyway.. |
| 04:49.46 | TCW___ | Stereo, ah, thx! |
| 04:49.47 | nevyn | TCW___: yeah it's lib |
| 04:50.12 | nsadmin | it might freeze the base, which means the few packages that get initially installed, just enough to solve core problems and install more packages |
| 04:50.59 | kaushal | Kvant: Thanks |
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| 04:51.15 | nsadmin | which would mean only non-base packages could get into it without permission of release mgr |
| 04:51.29 | kaushal | so the stable release will be probably by June 2010 ? |
| 04:51.43 | liable | who knows |
| 04:51.57 | TCW___ | kaushal, "time will tell" |
| 04:52.00 | nsadmin | are you a better? if so place a bet! |
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| 04:52.44 | nsadmin | !squeeze bet |
| 04:52.44 | dpkg | To add a bet to the squeeze pool, /msg dpkg squeeze pool 1 =~ s/!/! <nick>=yyyy-mm-dd/ and when squeeze pool 1 is filled, create squeeze pool 2 and update this factoid. |
| 04:53.36 | TCW___ | kaushal, debian does NOT follow a strict "it needs to be done THAT date!!!"-release-cycle, it does not release depending on the calendar, it releases when "it's done!" (simply spoken) |
| 04:53.56 | kaushal | TCW___: understood |
| 04:54.18 | TCW___ | but according to debian rumours and some betting, yeah... june 2010 may be correct |
| 04:55.25 | kaushal | Just curious to know why debian follows a slow release cycle ? |
| 04:55.28 | nsadmin | more likely june 2011 |
| 04:56.13 | nsadmin | for one thing, it takes time to test things to make sure they work together |
| 04:56.14 | TCW___ | kaushal, it is not slow, it is just not bound-to-the-calendar. |
| 04:56.27 | nsadmin | no, it's slow |
| 04:56.39 | nsadmin | and that's perfectly fine |
| 04:56.48 | roger21 | what is the thing that replace xorg.conf parameters since ubuntu 9.4 ? |
| 04:56.50 | TCW___ | nsadmin, no it's not! And that is perfect fine as well! :p |
| 04:57.00 | liable | roger21: ask #ubuntu |
| 04:57.38 | roger21 | no i can't, they don't know the files or tools behind the graphical interface on the ubuntu chan |
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| 04:57.50 | liable | !they don't know |
| 04:57.51 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 04:58.00 | roger21 | their ar more dumy that windows users |
| 04:58.04 | TCW___ | nsadmin, compare the past release cycles to... let's say redmond OS. Compared to that one, debian released more often a new stable version |
| 04:58.12 | roger21 | oh |
| 04:58.22 | nsadmin | what can make things really slow releasewise is when certain things are upgraded or changed which affect large clumps of packages |
| 04:58.28 | CyrusYzgTt | why debian don't support use wireliss at first when I finlish setup, |
| 04:58.39 | nsadmin | yes... that's right... packages come in CLUMPS |
| 04:58.40 | liable | during install? |
| 04:58.59 | roger21 | wel, is debian still using the full xorg.con stuff ? |
| 04:59.09 | liable | CyrusYzgTt: it will only set up your wireless card if you use it during the install |
| 04:59.33 | TCW___ | nsadmin, so... the thing if debian has a slow release cycle or not is a very relative one. But I would say it is as fast as any distro, but stable tends to lack behind when it comes to bleeding edge compared to other distros... |
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| 05:00.03 | liable | well, stable is by definition the opposite to bleeding edge :P |
| 05:00.14 | nsadmin | debian tends to take stability (and sanity :P) very seriously |
| 05:00.20 | TCW___ | liable, one can say that, true :) |
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| 05:00.26 | nsadmin | and they'll take whatever time is necessary |
| 05:00.44 | TCW___ | nsadmin, correct, and there we agree :) |
| 05:01.45 | nsadmin | if only developers could agree on def on "sanity"... |
| 05:02.03 | TCW___ | even developers tend to be humans... so... :) |
| 05:02.11 | CyrusYzgTt | my wireliss card shi mpci ,that pop for rt73usb,I think kernel support ,so I install dbian ,but can't connnect to intertnet ,and my eth0 don't move not support my sis190 |
| 05:02.33 | nsadmin | and odd developers tend to be venutian... |
| 05:02.44 | TCW___ | venutian? |
| 05:02.55 | CyrusYzgTt | because above quistion ,so I only use fedora now, |
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| 05:03.51 | nsadmin | CyrusYzgTt: so, what you're saying is you tried debian, it doesn't support your hardware out-of-the-box |
| 05:04.31 | nsadmin | so anyone like those orielly "Head First" books? |
| 05:04.40 | CyrusYzgTt | en,I can't use my debian to connect to internet |
| 05:04.53 | mick_home | nsadmin: they aggravate me |
| 05:05.04 | nsadmin | why so? |
| 05:05.10 | nsadmin | brb nb |
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| 05:05.30 | TCW___ | hmmm.. where / how does *synptics store its settings? |
| 05:05.46 | CyrusYzgTt | Hasee F320T |
| 05:05.56 | StuckMojo | hmm...should i periodically be doing a dist-upgrade on my sid box? or is safe-upgrade all that's ever needed? |
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| 05:07.31 | nsadmin | back |
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| 05:07.57 | nsadmin | StuckMojo: you don't -have- to do it at all |
| 05:08.11 | eoplao | W: Failed to fetch http://www.debian-multimedia.org/dists/testing/Release.gpg Temporary failure resolving 'www.debian-multimedia.org'. Something wrong with this site? |
| 05:08.25 | TCW___ | brb, reboot, wanna (grub-pc, I will miss you *sigh*) |
| 05:08.33 | TCW___ | s/wanna7 |
| 05:08.33 | eoplao | anyone else experience this? |
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| 05:09.05 | nsadmin | nope, got this answer: www.debian-multimedia.org. 38400 IN A 91.121.86.213 |
| 05:09.12 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: really |
| 05:09.18 | nsadmin | resolves just fine. |
| 05:09.35 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: a simple safe-upgrade will always be able to solve any problems and will pick up new packages that are added? |
| 05:09.52 | nsadmin | StuckMojo: yes, really... I only recently upgraded this particular machine to lenny |
| 05:09.58 | StuckMojo | or better yet, what's the drawback of doing a dist-? |
| 05:10.12 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: oh wait, you didn't catch i'm runnign Sid |
| 05:10.31 | vajorie | anyone with an acer aspire one d250 around here? I'm trying to (and failing at) get a correct cpu temperature reading from it... |
| 05:10.34 | StuckMojo | have been for like 5 years now |
| 05:10.44 | StuckMojo | i usually do a dist-upgrade every couple days |
| 05:10.45 | nsadmin | well for you, every time you dist-upgrade it could clobber your system pretty good |
| 05:10.58 | StuckMojo | but i'm wondering now if it's grabbing shit i don't really want |
| 05:11.08 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: heh, yeah i've noticed |
| 05:11.12 | nsadmin | all it would take would be a flawed libc upload :) |
| 05:11.16 | StuckMojo | tends to work much better if i do it more often |
| 05:11.31 | StuckMojo | i also now have apt-bugs and apt-changelog installed |
| 05:11.32 | nsadmin | and that's just one example in an infinite range |
| 05:11.38 | StuckMojo | er...apt-listbugs |
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| 05:12.12 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: well, this being sid, i just basically assume it could go tits up any time i do any update |
| 05:12.30 | StuckMojo | but in 5+ years now, it's never completely cratered on me |
| 05:12.32 | nsadmin | that would be absolutely correct |
| 05:12.46 | eoplao | nsadmin: thks. |
| 05:13.05 | StuckMojo | used to be i'd come in here and check dpkg for any know probs before upgrading, now i rely on -listbugs |
| 05:13.06 | nsadmin | presumably that means the devs are -really- paying attention |
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| 05:13.24 | stew | StuckMojo: safe-upgrade works as long as you don't have to remove packages in order to upgrade |
| 05:13.33 | vajorie | anyone with an acer aspire one d250 around here? I'm trying to (and failing at) get a correct cpu temperature reading from it... |
| 05:13.37 | nsadmin | but even if so, you can still have one guy not upload something before the mirror pulse |
| 05:13.48 | StuckMojo | nsadmin: don't get me wrong, plenty of shit has broken. just never so bad i couldn't fix it |
| 05:14.10 | StuckMojo | stew: yeah. so does that happen often in sid? i'd say yes... |
| 05:14.10 | nsadmin | and depending on how much YOU need that, and also other packages you have installed... |
| 05:14.29 | stew | StuckMojo: yes |
| 05:14.45 | eoplao | when i try to install mplayer, i get: mplayer: Depends: libdirac-decoder0 but it is not going to be installed |
| 05:14.47 | eoplao | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.52 | StuckMojo | i've taken to doing a safe first, then doing an dist just to see what it want's to do |
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| 05:15.22 | eoplao | something wrong with these two packages? |
| 05:15.22 | StuckMojo | usually if lots of stuff is listed as BROKEN i'll just want a day or so and then run it again |
| 05:15.28 | nsadmin | eoplao: try aptitude install libdirac-encoder0 |
| 05:15.35 | eoplao | ok |
| 05:16.16 | nsadmin | if you get an error there, that would indicate there's a reason your system is not accepting it |
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| 05:16.37 | qkbeyond | hi |
| 05:16.41 | qkbeyond | hi .all |
| 05:16.48 | StuckMojo | anyway, thanks guys |
| 05:16.55 | nsadmin | High Tall |
| 05:17.05 | eoplao | in aptitude, it seems to indicate that cinerella and mplayer cannot coexist. is that right? |
| 05:17.15 | nsadmin | maybe |
| 05:17.18 | TCW___ | basically no |
| 05:17.34 | TCW___ | eoplao, but paste the complete message to a paste service |
| 05:17.45 | eoplao | TCW___: ok |
| 05:18.00 | TCW___ | cigarette, brb |
| 05:18.30 | nsadmin | maybe it's a particular version of cinerella that can't coexist with a particular version of mplayer |
| 05:19.49 | stew | eoplao: see what "aptitude why-not cinerella mplayer" returns |
| 05:20.10 | eoplao | stew: ok |
| 05:20.27 | qkbeyond | CyrusYzgTt: #debian éé¢æå¤å°äººå ããã |
| 05:20.32 | nsadmin | usage message. |
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| 05:20.46 | CyrusYzgTt | 840人 |
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| 05:22.17 | eoplao | stew: aptitude why-not cinelerra mplayer |
| 05:22.18 | eoplao | p cinelerra Depends libc6 (>= 2.7) |
| 05:22.20 | eoplao | p libc6 Suggests debconf | debconf-2.0 |
| 05:22.21 | eoplao | i debconf Suggests perl |
| 05:22.23 | eoplao | i perl Suggests perl-doc |
| 05:22.25 | eoplao | p perl-doc Suggests groff |
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| 05:22.26 | eoplao | p groff Recommends imagemagick |
| 05:22.27 | eoplao | p imagemagick Suggests mplayer |
| 05:22.29 | eoplao | p mplayer-nogui Provides mplayer |
| 05:22.30 | eoplao | p mplayer-nogui Conflicts mplayer |
| 05:22.39 | chelz | i just installed but didn't set up the network. now that the install is over, how do i launch a thing to configure the network? |
| 05:22.39 | stew | !tell eoplao about paste |
| 05:22.40 | TCW___ | aptitude why-not <- wow, didn't know of that one :) |
| 05:23.07 | nsadmin | !dmm |
| 05:23.07 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
| 05:23.09 | eoplao | stew: sorry, i have trouble with pastebin. |
| 05:23.19 | nsadmin | !dmm lenny |
| 05:23.20 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 05:23.26 | TCW___ | chelz, depends... |
| 05:23.29 | stew | actually why-not didn't do the right thing here |
| 05:23.46 | chelz | TCW___: well the installer does something, so i'd just like to do what the installer does |
| 05:23.55 | eoplao | so, should i remove cinerella before i can install mplayer? |
| 05:23.56 | stew | eoplao: pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy mplayer libdirac-encoder0 cinelerra" |
| 05:24.35 | stew | eoplao: you are running testing? or unstable? |
| 05:24.43 | kaushal | nsadmin: I read about Head First as you mentioned |
| 05:24.56 | TCW___ | chelz, the installer does edit / create /etc/network/interfaces and some other stuff too, so it still depends on your hardware / needs so I can give you some more ideas |
| 05:24.59 | eoplao | stew: testing |
| 05:25.31 | kaushal | does Head First means A Brain Friendly Guide ? |
| 05:25.42 | stew | eoplao: you probably just need to upgrade some pacakges, (after running aptitude update), but we'll know more if you pastebin the apt-cache policy output |
| 05:25.45 | chelz | TCW___: it's an apple powerbook 12" |
| 05:25.45 | TCW___ | chelz, is it a roaming laptop, a server, a desktop? What network card is in it? Ethernet or wireless? |
| 05:25.50 | kaushal | I mean Head First Series from Oreilly |
| 05:26.02 | chelz | TCW___: i'd prefer to use wireless mostly but supporting dhcp ethernet would be good |
| 05:26.03 | TCW___ | chelz, ppc or x86? |
| 05:26.07 | chelz | TCW___: ppc |
| 05:26.13 | eoplao | stew: i am trying to do that. |
| 05:26.24 | TCW___ | chelz, uhh... :) |
| 05:26.27 | nsadmin | if my aptitude says Current status: 12 updates [+12], 21483 new [+292]. |
| 05:26.49 | chelz | TCW___: well like aptitude doesn't seem to have anything besides the DVD i used to install as a default package source |
| 05:26.50 | nsadmin | it means (in part) that 12 packages have new versions |
| 05:26.50 | nsadmin | ? |
| 05:27.07 | TCW___ | chelz, first check lspci if the card is supported, please do lspci|grep -i network, paste to a paste service |
| 05:27.30 | eoplao | stew: its at http://pastebin.com/m67789d72 |
| 05:27.46 | nsadmin | TCW___ have them do lspci -nn | whatever |
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| 05:28.03 | nsadmin | then you get the pci id too |
| 05:28.19 | chelz | TCW___: oh wait nvm, pinging google works. so i guess dhcp is working. but aptitude or apt-get isn't contacting servers for updates |
| 05:28.31 | TCW___ | nsadmin, mostly not needed, ppc is so damn old, the name of the nic is enough to check |
| 05:28.44 | nsadmin | ppc? oh ok |
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| 05:29.21 | TCW___ | chelz, check http://paste.debian.net in a browser, does it work? |
| 05:29.21 | rcscomp | apt-get -u [what goes here?] |
| 05:29.34 | rcscomp | trying to get a list of packages that need updated |
| 05:29.42 | rcscomp | sorry, upgraded |
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| 05:30.11 | nsadmin | "need" is probably a strong word |
| 05:30.38 | chelz | TCW___: is there a good cli browser included with the default install? X didn't start up correctly so i'm thinking of trying to update then work on getting X up |
| 05:30.59 | rcscomp | nsadmin: k, -need + that have updates available |
| 05:31.00 | TCW___ | chelz, good is relative :) try lynx |
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| 05:31.25 | chelz | TCW___: doesn't seem to be in there eh |
| 05:31.28 | TCW___ | but it may not be included in the base install |
| 05:31.37 | TCW___ | chyeah, already figured :) |
| 05:31.39 | nsadmin | hmm. you know, I want to know too |
| 05:31.45 | chelz | TCW___: pinging it works at least |
| 05:31.48 | TCW___ | chelz, even |
| 05:31.49 | eoplao | stew: what does the ouput tell you? |
| 05:32.02 | chelz | so hmm i need some kind of autoconfigure apt sources |
| 05:32.19 | TCW___ | chelz, see /etc/network/interfaces, anything senseful there? |
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| 05:33.00 | chelz | TCW___: my network is working i'm pretty sure |
| 05:33.28 | chelz | TCW___: my sources.list only has the dvd in it |
| 05:33.30 | TCW___ | chelz, oh... and for helping, we need pastes, maybe a lot of pastes, so is there another box around? Maybe another unix? ssh working? |
| 05:33.31 | stew | eoplao: that you aren't using debian packages, so sure, they might be broken, but i'd see what happens when running "aptitude install libdirac-encoder0" or "aptitude why-not libdirac-encoder0" |
| 05:34.06 | chelz | TCW___: i'm not really sure how to copy/paste in a cli only |
| 05:34.12 | newsense | rcscomp: i'd think aptitude update -V but i have no updates now so i cant check |
| 05:34.26 | TCW___ | chelz, oh... try something like "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian main" in /etc/aptsources.list |
| 05:35.09 | TCW___ | chelz, errr "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian lenny main" |
| 05:35.21 | TCW___ | chelz, if this is a lenny, is it? |
| 05:36.25 | nsadmin | "<kaushal> does Head First means A Brain Friendly Guide ?" <-- well they put that phrase on the book |
| 05:36.26 | chelz | TCW___: yeah lenny |
| 05:36.45 | nsadmin | marketingwise, they want it to mean that |
| 05:36.46 | rcscomp | newsense: thanks, but that doesn't work |
| 05:37.02 | rcscomp | it just reads the repositories for updates |
| 05:37.05 | _agn_ | rcscomp: try apt-get -u upgrade |
| 05:37.07 | TCW___ | chelz, pasting on cli would be using screen or simply copy the wanted information to another box with browser (scp) |
| 05:37.14 | newsense | rcscomp: id be interested to know the answer if you figure it out |
| 05:37.22 | eoplao | aptitude list out packages ending with {u}, what does that signify? |
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| 05:38.34 | stew | eoplao: packages being uninstalled becuase they are marked as automatically installed and no longer needed by any manually installed packages |
| 05:38.53 | stew | eoplao: assuming they were being removed |
| 05:38.54 | TCW___ | chelz, for instance scp /etc/apt/sources.list username@another-host:/tmp/ you will have the file /etc/apt/sources.list on the other box in /tmp/ |
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| 05:40.27 | eoplao | stew: thks. i will do a 'aptitude install mplayer' which will remove some files and upgrade some files. |
| 05:40.35 | mythomaniac | i would like to throttle the cpu on my laptop as soon as it starts up, i know the commands to give it... so does would be the best way to do this? |
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| 05:41.32 | TCW___ | mythomaniac, check /etc/rc.local |
| 05:43.04 | chelz | TCW___: ah i found some other sources.list in the folder and uncommented some of the lines. apt seems to be working now |
| 05:43.19 | mythomaniac | TCW___, i don't seem to have that directory... btw i'm using testing |
| 05:43.39 | TCW___ | mythomaniac, that is a file and should be there on any debian since... ages |
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| 05:44.35 | TCW___ | mythomaniac, if really not there, create it, give it +x bits, it is a shell script |
| 05:45.14 | TCW___ | brb |
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| 05:54.08 | mschmitt | re |
| 05:54.48 | eoplao | mplayer is back in play but I have lost evolution, an email client. |
| 05:55.40 | TCW___ | eoplao, is this stable? |
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| 05:57.57 | mythomaniac | TCW___, it was there, i was reading on how to put the commands in the script... i'm confused though... it seems i just put the commands in the script... and all should be ok... but within the script are two things: (1) this line, "In order to enable or disable this script just change the execution bits" and (2) this line, "exit 0"; do i keep (2) and put the commands before that? |
| 05:58.33 | mythomaniac | TCW___, and what is the meaning of (1)? |
| 05:59.12 | TCW___ | mythomaniac, the script tells you it _should_ exit with exit 0 (errorlevel 0), does it not? :) |
| 05:59.26 | TCW___ | Mystic, no idea what +x / execution bits means? |
| 05:59.31 | TCW___ | mythomaniac, even |
| 05:59.43 | mythomaniac | TCW___, that is correct, so it should stay that way, right? |
| 05:59.54 | TCW___ | mythomaniac, "depends" |
| 05:59.56 | roger21 | !locale |
| 05:59.56 | dpkg | i heard locale is a set of rules for presenting information to humans according to local conventions (date format, thousands separators, language, etc.). See http://wiki.debian.org/Locale and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/locale for more info. |
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| 06:00.00 | mythomaniac | eheh |
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| 06:01.10 | TCW___ | mythomaniac, if your script does give an errorlevel 0 back when finished, all is well without the explicit "exit 0" in the script... that exit 0 is JUST there to make SURE it gives an exitcode of 0 after finished |
| 06:01.45 | rcscomp | newsense: sudo apt-get -q -s dist-upgrade |
| 06:01.51 | mythomaniac | TCW___, ah... ok thank you ;) |
| 06:02.00 | rcscomp | newsense: may also want to check out apticron |
| 06:02.09 | rcscomp | which will email you when updates are pending |
| 06:02.18 | TCW___ | nv vs. nvidia... wierd, how come they have different opinions about font-sizes? |
| 06:02.33 | newsense | rcscomp: cool, glad ya figured it out |
| 06:02.33 | TCW___ | weird even |
| 06:03.09 | rcscomp | newsense: I had to look at the apticron source |
| 06:03.33 | eoplao | TCW___: its 'testing'. |
| 06:03.39 | newsense | rcscomp: man i don't know why i didn't think of that earlier, i have used simulate quite a few times |
| 06:04.41 | TCW___ | eoplao, you know what applies to testing users? :) |
| 06:05.05 | liable | lube? |
| 06:05.34 | eoplao | TCW___: both mplayer and evolution are well established programs. |
| 06:05.46 | TCW___ | eoplao, true... :) |
| 06:07.39 | eoplao | anyway, thks folks, i will sort out the problems. |
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| 06:19.46 | Vratha | hi |
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| 06:27.01 | chelz | is there a place where i could see the default sources.list files? |
| 06:27.12 | gele_ | Default? |
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| 06:28.19 | adb | !tell chelz -about sources |
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| 06:29.39 | sortremord | hey, what kernel version does 5.0.3 have? |
| 06:29.46 | liable | 2.6.26 |
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| 06:30.27 | sortremord | does it support mobile broadband? |
| 06:30.28 | roger21 | chelz, maybe from the apt package |
| 06:30.34 | roger21 | or patitude package |
| 06:30.37 | chelz | ah yeah |
| 06:30.39 | roger21 | aptitude |
| 06:30.42 | TCW_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:30.45 | liable | sortremord: depends on what chipset your mobile modem has |
| 06:30.59 | liable | it supports a few |
| 06:31.04 | TCW_ | like ums? |
| 06:31.07 | gele_ | The common Huawei ones have been supported for a while I think. |
| 06:31.08 | chelz | things are telling me about "apt-setup" but it's part of debian-install and packages.debian.org says debian-install should not be installed on a normal system |
| 06:31.10 | liable | sierra/quallcom generally are |
| 06:31.11 | sortremord | 3G |
| 06:31.21 | sortremord | Huawei E156 |
| 06:31.29 | sortremord | :/ |
| 06:31.31 | liable | so google it |
| 06:31.32 | TCW_ | umts even |
| 06:31.35 | sortremord | yeah |
| 06:32.34 | roger21 | chelz, no but just extracting the package to get jour default source.list |
| 06:32.53 | roger21 | anyway the source.list is quite easy to edit |
| 06:32.59 | roger21 | :sources |
| 06:33.03 | roger21 | !sources |
| 06:33.03 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian lenny main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <lenny security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 06:33.32 | roger21 | oh simpler /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 06:33.39 | sortremord | it works using wvdial |
| 06:33.41 | sortremord | apparently |
| 06:34.05 | liable | then you should be able to use any pppd dialer program |
| 06:34.36 | liable | even NM manages those these days |
| 06:34.53 | liable | you just need to find out your isp details |
| 06:35.38 | sortremord | I have them xD |
| 06:37.11 | chelz | anyone know why volatile is the default in sources.list in a powerpc install? |
| 06:37.13 | sortremord | there is only a problem, how shall I install wvdial without a working connexion? |
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| 06:38.18 | anddam | hello |
| 06:38.19 | mythomaniac | TCW_, just to let ya know it works great dude... hehe i though i had to create an rc? script ;) |
| 06:39.04 | mythomaniac | TCW_, thanks again |
| 06:39.34 | TCW_ | np |
| 06:40.07 | anddam | I'd need a hint: I'll have to dig in a friend of mine's computer and recover data from a crappy window's failure, I'm familiar with debian, has Debian Live the tools to access NTFS partition and burn a disc? If not what distro can you suggest me? |
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| 06:43.38 | sortremord | I'd suggest Fedora |
| 06:44.19 | sortremord | 11 |
| 06:44.24 | anddam | why? |
| 06:44.42 | sortremord | I am sure it does the job, since I am familiar with it |
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| 06:44.52 | sortremord | I am not sure about Debian Live |
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| 06:47.31 | sortremord | and 11 since it is more stable than 12 and solves dependencies MUCH better |
| 06:47.43 | sortremord | but you are probably not going to install anything |
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| 06:48.30 | stew | chelz: it is in all stable installs now |
| 06:49.14 | stew | chelz: I suppose that the thinking is that it would be rare that somebody should want the older version in stable for any package also available in volatile |
| 06:50.44 | liable | volatile generally only has things like spammasasin and the like which needs frequent updates even in stable |
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| 06:55.50 | TCW_ | Handwriting recognition is a funny thing |
| 06:56.52 | PyroPhelia | ok whats the trick to allow hosts to connect to a debian server? for some reason I can't get a single computer outside the lan to connect to my server. with the exception of my androd phone for some odd reason |
| 06:57.46 | cast | connect in what manner? |
| 06:58.14 | TCW_ | cellwriter <- and it works quite well |
| 06:58.28 | PyroPhelia | well, i can connect but it says permission denied every time i enter the password. and no I am typing the password right. if switch to the lan it works fine |
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| 06:58.32 | PyroPhelia | ssh |
| 06:59.01 | cast | so you get to the password prompt but no further eh |
| 06:59.08 | cast | check the logs |
| 06:59.20 | PyroPhelia | what file? |
| 06:59.37 | cast | /var/log/auth.log |
| 06:59.54 | TCW_ | PyroPhelia /var/log/anth.log |
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| 07:00.26 | TCW_ | err auth :) |
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| 07:02.00 | PyroPhelia | the login attempt doesn't even show up |
| 07:02.40 | PyroPhelia | I get the password prompt, but it says permission denied for whatever I type and nothing comes up in the log |
| 07:03.22 | anddam | what's difference between a "desktop" and "rescue" Debian Live ? |
| 07:03.24 | cast | you are sshing into the right box? |
| 07:03.32 | PyroPhelia | yes |
| 07:03.33 | cast | anddam: packages |
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| 07:03.41 | PyroPhelia | I only have 1 ip forwarded |
| 07:04.11 | cast | ssh in to the passwd promt then run netstat on the server and see if you see your con :P |
| 07:04.20 | PyroPhelia | I just used the same address username and password on my phone and it worked fine |
| 07:04.32 | PyroPhelia | k |
| 07:04.42 | TCW_ | PyroPhelia, paste /etc/ssh/sshd-config |
| 07:05.38 | anddam | cast: is desktop lacking something or is it the opposite way? |
| 07:05.51 | cast | both ways |
| 07:05.55 | TCW_ | ssh_config even |
| 07:07.05 | PyroPhelia | that's a little hard, only way into the server right now is from my phone |
| 07:07.07 | PyroPhelia | gimme 1 sec |
| 07:08.43 | PyroPhelia | I don't see the IP in netstat |
| 07:08.56 | PyroPhelia | but I know i'm connecting to the right IP |
| 07:09.01 | anddam | cast: which one would you pick for data rescue? |
| 07:09.11 | anddam | cast: and has rescue a GUI whatsoever? |
| 07:09.14 | cast | rescue |
| 07:09.26 | cast | dunno, there is a list of packages somewhere |
| 07:09.37 | cast | don't need a gui, anyway, waste of space |
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| 07:09.49 | anddam | cast: in order to burn ISOs from cli I do need to go through mkisofs and cdrecord, don't I? |
| 07:10.00 | cast | only cdrecord |
| 07:10.10 | cast | mkisofs would make you an iso, you already have an iso |
| 07:10.12 | anddam | cast: I understand but 1) I am not sure I can write the hd 2) it has been a while since I used cdrecord |
| 07:10.20 | anddam | cast: no, wait |
| 07:10.24 | cast | cdrecord might have been replaced by wodim |
| 07:10.46 | anddam | cast: I'm talking about burning the data I want to rescue from the broken windows install |
| 07:10.58 | cast | ahh |
| 07:11.02 | anddam | cast: not about burning the actual DebLive |
| 07:11.04 | cast | yes, then mkisofs and cdrecord |
| 07:11.21 | cast | you could probably just tarball it and burn that, too |
| 07:11.25 | anddam | I'll search for a usb mass storage, I'm not sure I can use the internal disk |
| 07:11.31 | anddam | how do I burn a tarball? |
| 07:12.04 | tensorpudding | why would you want to do that? |
| 07:12.16 | anddam | tensorpudding: cast just suggested it |
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| 07:12.27 | cast | same way you burn an iso |
| 07:12.32 | anddam | tensorpudding: it's like two rows upward in scrollback |
| 07:12.59 | anddam | cast: thanks, your help has been precious |
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| 07:13.01 | anddam | bye |
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| 07:13.59 | cast | tensorpudding: sometimes i just treat media as a bitbucket and don't bother with traditional filesystems |
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| 07:14.52 | tensorpudding | well, if you want to use it for a bitbucket, tar is reasonable |
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| 07:16.18 | cast | it seems to only fuck up windows users, who wouldn't know how to use their archiving program to open a raw disk |
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| 07:40.30 | Gokee2 | Ok so I did a copy wrong a lost a whole bunch of permissions... Is there any way to set everything right again without reinstalling Debian? |
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| 07:40.44 | valdyn | !reinstall |
| 07:40.44 | dpkg | hmm... reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 07:40.50 | Gokee2 | (copy of the entire file-system) |
| 07:40.59 | valdyn | Gokee2: if you have a clean system ^^ |
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| 07:42.32 | Gokee2 | Hmmm, with the aptitude one I get "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on bash A package failed to install. Trying to recover:" after it does a bunch of downloading |
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| 07:43.15 | valdyn | Gokee2: use the dpkg --get selections etc |
| 07:43.32 | valdyn | Gokee2: with that way you can remove bash from my_packages.txt |
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| 07:44.49 | valdyn | Gokee2: watch what its doing though |
| 07:46.12 | Gokee2 | valdyn, THe dpkg set selection one does nothing at all, I mean it puts the packages in mypackages txt file but the 2nd command just says nothing to install. |
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| 07:48.17 | nsadmin | I'm trying to find something that has this one similar feature to xmms for lenny: I want to say <whatever> *.mp3 and have it save the list so I can go back and forth to any track |
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| 07:49.17 | Gokee2 | nsadmin, audacious is kinda close to xmms |
| 07:49.38 | nsadmin | ok, I'll check that out... that's the package name |
| 07:49.39 | nsadmin | ? |
| 07:49.45 | nsadmin | thanks btw |
| 07:49.55 | Gokee2 | nsadmin, IIRR its a fork of beep which is a fork of xmms |
| 07:50.32 | Gokee2 | nsadmin, Ya thats the package name, in squeeze you will need to go to audacious2 |
| 07:50.55 | nsadmin | why, what happened briefly? |
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| 07:52.33 | Gokee2 | nsadmin, Er... nevermind it IS still audacious... I guess I just start the program with audacious2 |
| 07:53.09 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 07:53.19 | nsadmin | ok, I just installed it... let's see... |
| 07:53.33 | Gokee2 | nsadmin, Not sure if you have your music organized nicely but mpd is really awesome for music playing. It has to scan your library but then you can control it with mpc from any terminal :) |
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| 07:54.20 | Gokee2 | I still use audacious for when I just want to play a file though |
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| 08:00.13 | cast | reinstall won't fix things if his config files have bunged permissions |
| 08:02.24 | Gokee2 | decided he should just reinstall |
| 08:03.05 | Gokee2 | I had only just made it boot up anyway |
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| 08:04.36 | hacker_kid | anyone use proftpd? im getting an instant connection closed, telnet in and with 1 second the connection is closed, even when im using telnet on the localhost, im using proftpd-mod-mysql, logs just show ftp session closed |
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| 08:33.54 | aqw | hi to all,smbclient -L host is giving output as Connection to host failed (Error NT_STATUS_BAD_NETWORK_NAME) |
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| 08:36.59 | Sm0ke0ut | that seems to be a quite clear error message though |
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| 08:37.07 | Sm0ke0ut | change your networkname? |
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| 08:40.32 | aqw | Sm0ke0ut, networkname? |
| 08:40.48 | aqw | in which file should i requ8ire to change |
| 08:41.33 | Sm0ke0ut | I assume in the smb.conf |
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| 08:42.35 | aqw | Sm0ke0ut, i need to add netbios name ..am i right? |
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| 08:48.45 | Sm0ke0ut | Sorry, I just had a call and I really have to go now (emergency). Perhaps someone else can help you further.. Sorry |
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| 08:50.20 | aqw | i have edited netbios name = in smb.conf and tried ..but still same error |
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| 08:56.58 | sohum | is python2.6 meant to be able to not see the PyQt4 |
| 08:57.00 | sohum | package? |
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| 09:02.06 | v4nelle | guys i have 2 isos which same values-> http://www.pastebin.ca/1724626 BUT whith diffirent md5sum...have these isos the same content? |
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| 09:21.25 | Tiffon | nas |
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| 09:28.59 | gunkamanti_ | hi, is there some cl tool to show the IP of my machine (not ifconfig, i need the ip of the router) |
| 09:29.51 | dondelelcaro | !what is my ip |
| 09:29.52 | dpkg | To get your ip: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub\"addr:",""\;print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*d+.\d+\.\d+\.\d+/ {print qq|$1n|}', or wget -O- checkip.dyndns.org 2>/dev/null|perl -pe 's/.+Address:\ [\d\.]+<.+/$1/;' |
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| 09:30.46 | gunkamanti_ | thx |
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| 09:42.04 | jaggz- | I tried installing a too-new-version of a .deb and it has too many dependencies which I don't want to resolve right now. aptitude shows it as broken BB and I'd like to get rid of it, reverting to the current version if it was installed prior to this attempt. |
| 09:42.49 | jaggz- | what can you encourage me to do? |
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| 09:44.09 | sohum | jaggz-: check the exact version you want to downgrade to by apt-cache policy <packagename>, then force install that version? |
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| 09:45.13 | aqw | smbclient -L host_ip is working |
| 09:47.45 | jaggz- | interesting.. doing it now sohum.. using aptitude install foo=old.version |
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| 09:48.27 | zig_ | Is it possible to boot off a RAID volume? |
| 09:48.48 | jaggz- | sure |
| 09:49.17 | zig_ | Good. So, I just need to create one giant RAID volume on each of the two drives, then partition it up? |
| 09:49.42 | jaggz- | possibly different depending on the type of raid volume. I have a raid mirror in one system and I boot it up.. it's a "fake raid" using the asus motherboard's onboard raid |
| 09:49.57 | zig_ | I wanted to use software RAID |
| 09:50.15 | sohum | jaggz-: let me know if it works :D |
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| 09:50.30 | jaggz- | one windows partition, and then the linux partitions.. I had to do some manual adjustment of the grub entries IIRC, setting them to boot from the /device/mapper stuff |
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| 09:50.39 | jaggz- | sohum, seems to have worked perfectly |
| 09:50.46 | sohum | jaggz-: awesome |
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| 09:53.47 | jaggz- | trying to get borderless printing to work |
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| 09:54.03 | jaggz- | tired of having to run virtualbox to run windows each time I want to print something without borders |
| 09:55.42 | jaggz- | I'm tired of wasting time on these things.. manufacturers should all just support linux by now |
| 09:55.49 | jaggz- | fools.. get with the program. |
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| 09:56.04 | zig_ | So, let me get this straight... to run Software RAID-1 with 2 active drives and a spare in Linux, I'd want to, in this order: Create 3 partitions of equal size on the 3 disks, set them each as volumes for RAID, configure raid via the installer (2 actives, 1 spare), on top of that raid setup I just created, I'd create an encryption volume |
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| 09:56.07 | jaggz- | a lot of serious people are obviously using linux |
| 09:56.18 | zig_ | On top of said encryption volume, I'd build LVM, in which I'd lay all my partitions. |
| 09:56.34 | jaggz- | zig, I've never done software raid, sorry |
| 09:56.38 | zig_ | So, LVM within Crypto within RAID |
| 09:56.49 | cast | LVM can do mirroring, FWIW |
| 09:57.01 | zig_ | LVM can do its own mirroring? |
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| 09:57.12 | zig_ | Hm. Didn't know that. |
| 09:57.30 | jaggz- | I like mirroring for my personal system at home.. since it's just for backup purposes and not so much for efficiency, and obviously not for space. |
| 09:57.47 | jaggz- | lvm can do anything can't it? |
| 09:59.04 | pozic_ | How much more space does an encrypted version of a file-system take? And is the en/decryption noticable? |
| 09:59.25 | cast | RAID and backups have nothing in common |
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| 09:59.51 | cast | pozic_: at most a few meg, depends on the number of AF strips and key sizes |
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| 10:00.07 | pozic_ | cast, what are AF strips? |
| 10:00.15 | pozic_ | !AF |
| 10:00.16 | dpkg | i heard af is an Emacs-like mail reader and composer. |
| 10:00.20 | cast | google, luks spec |
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| 10:02.52 | zig_ | Wait, so you're teling me LVM can do its own RAID? |
| 10:02.57 | zig_ | telling* |
| 10:03.13 | zig_ | Can someone verify this? Because I never read about this anywhere. |
| 10:03.44 | pozic_ | cast, google AF strips cryptography gives less than stellar results. |
| 10:03.51 | cast | surely, you can just google too zig_ |
| 10:04.05 | zig_ | cast: I'm looking, but I thought LVM had to be sitting on top of a RAID volume. |
| 10:04.06 | cast | pozic_: i told you the search terms ;) |
| 10:04.30 | pozic_ | cast, oh, I thought that was LOLSPEAK ;) |
| 10:06.28 | cast | zig_: http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/Cluster_Logical_Volume_Manager/LV_create.html, if you have weak google foo |
| 10:08.17 | zig_ | This is awesome. So what, then, is the point in using raid volumes? |
| 10:08.56 | cast | there is more than just RAID1, for a start |
| 10:09.51 | zig_ | I'm aware of that one. |
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| 10:14.47 | jaggz- | ttg |
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| 10:18.31 | zig_ | According to the documents I'm reading, LVM mirrors recommends 3 drives |
| 10:18.35 | zig_ | For a RAID1 equivelant |
| 10:19.15 | zig_ | 1 drive for the first side of the mirror, 1 for the other, and a 3rd for the log. |
| 10:20.12 | zig_ | This seems like a horribly inefficient way of handling things. That means if I wanted a spare drive, I'd need to use 4 drives for a simple mirroring setup. |
| 10:20.24 | zig_ | I could squeeze a RAID10 out of that. |
| 10:20.33 | cast | and have no spare |
| 10:20.49 | zig_ | True, but standard RAID1 + spare is 3 drives. |
| 10:21.18 | cast | presumably the log is for performance reasons |
| 10:21.22 | zig_ | For LVM's mirroring, I'd need 3 drives plus + 1, 4. So, 33% more $$ on hardware to use LVM? |
| 10:21.33 | zig_ | Not from what I read. I read that it's needed for recovery |
| 10:21.34 | cast | no :) |
| 10:21.54 | zig_ | I guess I'll continue reading, but so far I find this rather unimpressive =/ |
| 10:22.00 | cast | i doubt the log drive has to be the same size as either side of the mirror |
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| 10:22.23 | zig_ | But it still has to be on a 3rd drive |
| 10:22.35 | zig_ | Or it should, once again, for recovery purposes. |
| 10:22.57 | zig_ | This is with mirroring, mind you. Makes me wonder what exactly it's doing that it requires another drive for just mirroring... doesn't make sense to me at all. |
| 10:23.10 | cast | but if the 3rd drive is a 5$ usb stick... |
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| 10:25.30 | pozic_ | Is there some kind of official Debian documentation for setting up encrypted partitions? |
| 10:25.49 | cast | maybe, it would be on debian.org |
| 10:26.17 | pozic_ | Then I think not, or I should sell Google stock ;) |
| 10:26.26 | cast | zig_: remember keeping the log on disk is optional, i imagine the reason to just not have it on one of your sub mirrors is performance related |
| 10:27.01 | cast | there's not much to encryptioned partitions, man cryptsetup and man crypttab |
| 10:28.35 | zig_ | Isn't the next version of Debian supposed to be released relatively soon? |
| 10:28.51 | cast | !wir |
| 10:28.52 | dpkg | wir is probably When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 10:29.05 | zig_ | I thought Debian adopted a regular release schedule |
| 10:29.11 | cast | nope. |
| 10:29.13 | zig_ | Every 2 years |
| 10:29.16 | zig_ | Was it revoked? |
| 10:29.23 | cast | nope. |
| 10:29.43 | zig_ | You never heard about Debian adopting a regular release schedule? |
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| 10:29.55 | cast | no, i didnt, i think you're thinking of http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
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| 10:31.06 | zig_ | cast: That is, in fact, what I was thinking of =) |
| 10:31.15 | zig_ | It says right there that Debian adopted a regular release schedule. |
| 10:31.18 | zig_ | Or rather |
| 10:31.21 | zig_ | a regular freeze date |
| 10:31.36 | cast | ja, but time from freeze to release is....rather hard to estimate |
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| 10:31.45 | zig_ | Gotchya. |
| 10:31.55 | cast | hence, wir |
| 10:32.00 | zig_ | Of course. |
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| 10:52.06 | samantha-c | anyone speak rtorrent? is there a way to only download some files from a torrent in rtorrent? |
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| 10:55.54 | Mkman | in the debian repo exist the xcompngr-dana?? |
| 10:56.32 | Phil | http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 10:56.57 | jelly | samantha-c: browse to the file list, use cursor keys, use space to change each file priority |
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| 11:00.33 | samantha-c | i hate having to rehash this torrent i'm doing :-( |
| 11:01.12 | ribasushi | if I edit the lsb INIT INFO of packages, then I will have to fix them up on very upgrade correct? |
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| 11:06.54 | xNinja | can i limit the memory "RAM" usage for a script/processes ? |
| 11:07.01 | xNinja | or cpu usage also |
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| 11:07.49 | ethanol | I have a bash script, is it possible to echo the user as which it is being executed? |
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| 11:07.57 | ethanol | wait, I should probably ask this in #bash |
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| 11:09.09 | chilli0 | Herro |
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| 11:09.19 | chilli0 | How can i see all incoming connections ? |
| 11:09.39 | chilli0 | Im having weird issues with haproxy and load balancing |
| 11:09.52 | chilli0 | I want to see where the connections |
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| 11:10.55 | cast | netstat? |
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| 11:11.32 | chilli0 | cast, It ends thoe |
| 11:12.28 | chilli0 | cast, Like it stops ( i dont have enough time to load the web page) |
| 11:12.44 | cast | could tcpdump or ngrep |
| 11:12.55 | ribasushi | how do I get the dependency-based init boot to recalculate the orders once I change some of the initfiles? |
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| 11:16.19 | ethanol | is /var/log/mail.log protected by some kind of mechanism or something? |
| 11:16.48 | ethanol | I have a script that does some awk stuff on that file, but even when I run the script as user root, it hits permission denied on /var/log/mail.log |
| 11:16.52 | cast | zig_: kinda looks like even the regular freeze isn't so regular,squeeze looks like it'll freeze in march |
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| 11:18.01 | cast | zig_: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html, :\ |
| 11:18.20 | ribasushi | gah... why is something so simnple so complex |
| 11:18.25 | ribasushi | still searching >:( |
| 11:18.52 | cast | ribasushi: didn't know we had a dependency based init :o |
| 11:19.09 | cast | solaris 10 aside |
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| 11:19.33 | ribasushi | cast: been there for a while |
| 11:20.17 | cast | curious, so if eg...networking doesn't come up it won't bother starting sshd? |
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| 11:21.04 | ribasushi | cast: no, the point is not to rely on Sxx numbers for startup |
| 11:21.21 | ribasushi | and instead have pure dependency order, so the boot can be parallelized without conflicts |
| 11:21.48 | ribasushi | cast: look at the top of your init scripts - there is a comment blob |
| 11:21.58 | cast | ahh, i think i get it, so it's half assed king of dependency thing |
| 11:22.17 | cast | starts things in the right order, but doesn't check if things actually managed to start? |
| 11:22.29 | ribasushi | I wouldn't want to convert to *that* |
| 11:23.25 | cast | so it does understand when a service failed to start and consequently doesn't start things that depend on it, or it doesnt? |
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| 11:23.48 | ribasushi | no it does not check for fails |
| 11:24.01 | cast | :( |
| 11:24.02 | ribasushi | and I would never touch such a system, especially for the remote servers I use |
| 11:24.04 | aiyu | hii all, how can i check if nvidia is properly installed or not |
| 11:24.09 | cast | why? |
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| 11:24.27 | ribasushi | because there is no way to distinguish a soft failure from hard failure |
| 11:24.45 | ribasushi | i.e. I want sshd to start anyway regardless of what the system thinks about the network state |
| 11:25.00 | ribasushi | there is harm only if it *doesn't* startr |
| 11:25.16 | tom | when logging in, echo $LANG says de_DE but i uncommented LANG=de_E from /etc/environment. i could not find anything in ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc. What else do I have to set to make the system english? |
| 11:25.17 | cast | shrugs |
| 11:25.24 | cast | ILOM :) |
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| 11:26.05 | ribasushi | anyway - anyone up for an answer? :( |
| 11:26.47 | LimCore | how to switch language to damn english? |
| 11:27.06 | LimCore | to get messages in english and so on |
| 11:27.29 | pozic | LimCore: believe it or not, but your question is not well-specified. |
| 11:27.32 | tom | LimCore: haha i have the same problem, i uncommented in /etc/environment but it's still german |
| 11:27.42 | pozic | LimCore: LANG=C command works for one program to send in a bugreport. |
| 11:28.01 | babilen | LimCore: dpkg-reconfigure locales -> set default locale to en_EN_SWEAR and you have "damn english" |
| 11:28.01 | tom | pozic: how can i make it default? |
| 11:28.26 | pozic | tom: see babilen. It is a very FAQ. |
| 11:28.30 | samantha-c | how can i display actual number of available bytes on a partition? bytes, not a rounded measure |
| 11:28.58 | tom | thank you |
| 11:29.18 | cast | samantha-c: blockdev? |
| 11:29.34 | babilen | pozic: why not answer it then? |
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| 11:30.39 | nsadmin | the leftmost column of a terminal is considered what, column 0? 1? |
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| 11:30.54 | samantha-c | depends on the terminal program |
| 11:31.05 | nsadmin | babilen: because you're being encouraged to do your own work |
| 11:31.17 | LimCore | babilen: I did that, and still I have stupid polish instead |
| 11:31.28 | LimCore | pozic: I did that, still fails |
| 11:31.31 | samantha-c | LimCore: Learn Polish? |
| 11:31.41 | LimCore | samantha-c: its my first language |
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| 11:32.06 | LimCore | how to make damn debian show messages in english, if selecting en_US.UTF8 as deafault in dpkg-reconfigure locales did not helped |
| 11:32.23 | nsadmin | samantha-c: that would seem to be a standard thing... ok, so what if it's an xterm? |
| 11:32.58 | pozic | LimCore: LANG=C somecommand works for a lot of programs. Which program are you using? |
| 11:33.06 | LimCore | pozic: program? |
| 11:33.13 | LimCore | pozic: I want english to be default everywhere |
| 11:33.55 | nsadmin | maybe you should reconfigure locales |
| 11:34.15 | pozic | LimCore: I am sure that answer is on Google. |
| 11:34.19 | LimCore | nsadmin: no shit. Did you read my last message |
| 11:34.33 | chilli0 | How to i get apache to start on boot |
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| 11:34.58 | nsadmin | LimCore: have a nice day |
| 11:35.14 | pozic | LimCore: http://www.vlug.org/pipermail/discuss/2007-March/022796.html |
| 11:35.17 | pozic | LimCore: for example |
| 11:38.13 | xNinja | i have problem with my torrentflux...it download very fast but upload wont start! |
| 11:38.28 | chilli0 | How to i get apache to start on boot |
| 11:40.43 | xyan | chilli0: man update-rc.d |
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| 11:40.58 | ikonia | chilli0: change it to run at the run level you want with update-rc.d |
| 11:41.04 | ikonia | chilli0: who -r shows you your current |
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| 11:41.17 | xNinja | anyone did face problem with torrentflux seeding not working ?? |
| 11:41.29 | chilli0 | ikonia, Im on 2 o= |
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| 11:42.59 | chilli0 | Weird it says it already exists |
| 11:43.07 | chilli0 | But it dont run on startup |
| 11:43.58 | ikonia | chilli0: you sure it is set to auto start on 2 ? |
| 11:44.07 | xNinja | what is an easy to use for server "terminal/web" torrent client for seeding ? |
| 11:44.39 | chilli0 | ikonia, Erm i just tryed update-rc.d apache2 defaults and it said it was already there |
| 11:47.04 | ikonia | chilli0: how do you start it manually when it doesn't run ? |
| 11:47.28 | chilli0 | ikonia, /etc/init.d/apache2 |
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| 11:48.52 | chilli0 | ikonia, Its really weird |
| 11:49.00 | chilli0 | Im running apache in my vm |
| 11:49.11 | chilli0 | If i open the vm and start apache |
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| 11:49.13 | chilli0 | It works |
| 11:49.20 | chilli0 | Then if i turn it off |
| 11:49.22 | chilli0 | and back on |
| 11:49.25 | chilli0 | it auto starts |
| 11:49.51 | pflanze | Hello. Any everyday SIP users here? Which client are you using that you think works well? |
| 11:50.07 | ikonia | chilli0: a.) how are you autostarting b.) I've seen issues like that when running as a vm guest where the network interface is not available before network services start |
| 11:50.16 | dutchfish | chilli0, maybe your problem is not in apache2 itself but in either the setup of your host files or in the setup of the apache site files |
| 11:50.17 | jelly | pflanze: do physical phone devices count? |
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| 11:50.41 | qwd | pflanze: try ekiga if you're a gnome user |
| 11:50.43 | chilli0 | ikonia, How am i autostarting what ? |
| 11:50.49 | pflanze | jelly: hm, if it's small and worth buying to get stability then yes |
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| 11:50.59 | pflanze | qwd: had bad experiences with it |
| 11:51.01 | chilli0 | And the VM is running on boot |
| 11:51.10 | jelly | pflanze: Snom 300, it's about phone-sized |
| 11:51.18 | pflanze | qwd: that's why I'm asking for everyday users. |
| 11:51.44 | qwd | pflanze: same here, but some everyday users say it works perfect for them. |
| 11:52.12 | zamuro | Is there anything like suse studio for debian? |
| 11:52.19 | pflanze | I'm currently using Twinkle, but it locks up every so often in some alsa functions. |
| 11:52.31 | chilli0 | ikonia, Its odd |
| 11:52.58 | pflanze | And on top of that, when it locks up it won't leave me any way to reveal who called. |
| 11:53.07 | chilli0 | ikonia, I restarted the computer , Then stoped the vm and restarted it and it works |
| 11:55.04 | jelly | pflanze: it has a two months uptime so far, I guess that's stable |
| 11:55.35 | pflanze | jelly: ok, thanks, but I need something to take abroad. |
| 11:55.42 | pflanze | And a softphone really gets some pluses, |
| 11:55.56 | pflanze | (like updatability,) being installable to 2 computers, |
| 11:56.04 | pflanze | copy paste of numbers. |
| 11:56.07 | qwd | pflanze: fwiw I was looking for a sip client a few weeks ago. Tried alot of them and didn't find one that worked good, so in the end I gave up. My guess is you're probably better of paying for it. But I'm sure there are others here who know more about sip |
| 11:56.23 | pflanze | Paying for which SIP client? |
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| 11:57.08 | pflanze | I already use Diamondcard.us and they work well for me, I only need a client that works. |
| 11:57.50 | qwd | pflanze: I meant a physical device. Haven't tried any clients that aren't free. But like I said, someone else should be able to give you better answers. Good luck :) |
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| 11:59.38 | dutchfish | qwd, pflanze fwiw i use voipbuster with linphone, it never burbed to me (debian/lenny/x86_64) |
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| 12:09.20 | pflanze | dutchfish: how can I disable the video display? |
| 12:09.46 | dutchfish | pflanze, in its config, should be obvious |
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| 12:11.14 | pflanze | ugh, funny that they mention "You do not have to modify or edit this file." in the manpage. |
| 12:11.25 | pflanze | so much. |
| 12:11.52 | pflanze | Not that this is something a user is likely want to set. |
| 12:11.54 | dutchfish | pflanze, another way is compile it yourself with configure.args-append --disable-video --with-readline=none |
| 12:12.31 | dutchfish | pflanze, that way you get a slick executable too |
| 12:12.52 | dutchfish | both ways work |
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| 12:14.09 | dutchfish | the nice part of this combo for me is, auto-fallback at low rate bandwidth does work very well when i am in 3th world countries with low bandwidth |
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| 12:16.08 | dutchfish | the docs are a bit .... mmmm ... (bad word) |
| 12:16.33 | samantha-c | i have tor installed as a socks proxy as usual. is there a way to make it a non-socks proxy, for programs that speak http proxy but not socks? |
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| 12:19.25 | at0m | samantha-c: from the online docs: To Torify other applications that support HTTP proxies, just point them at Polipo (that is, localhost port 8118). To use SOCKS directly (for instant messaging, Jabber, IRC, etc), you can point your application directly at Tor (localhost port 9050) [...] |
| 12:19.53 | at0m | http://www.torproject.org/docs/tor-doc-unix.html.en step 3 |
| 12:20.11 | pflanze | dutchfish: how do I add a registrar? When I click "Add Proxy/Registrar" I can fill in the popup and press "OK" but it doesn't appear on the registrar list. |
| 12:20.23 | cast | wonders about the geographical distribution of tor nodes |
| 12:21.10 | dutchfish | pflanze, i cant tell for yours, but i used it along with voipbuster: http://www.voipbuster.com/en/sipp.html |
| 12:21.46 | dutchfish | sorry for the offtopic btw |
| 12:22.09 | grand_grunt | samantha-c: YOu can use "tsocks", that is transparent for applications. |
| 12:22.45 | grand_grunt | samantha-c: With tsocks, you don't need the application to support proxys :) |
| 12:23.03 | pflanze | Also after exit and restart it says "UDP port 5060 seems already in use ! Cannot initialize." |
| 12:23.23 | dutchfish | pflanze, ps auxww |
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| 12:24.11 | pflanze | yeah, it's dbus-launch, I hope it's not a sign of what to come (meaning the usual SIP phone brokenness) |
| 12:24.44 | dutchfish | pflanze, well, i hope not, but as i said i got it up and running in 30 min (mostly needed for reading) |
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| 12:25.34 | dutchfish | pflanze, i started with a plain lenny latop role for that |
| 12:25.41 | dutchfish | s/latop/laptop |
| 12:26.26 | pflanze | Well I can't figure out how to add the login for my registrar. I don't find anything linphone on http://www.voipbuster.com/en/sipp.html, and the config file doesn't show anything obvious either. |
| 12:26.58 | dutchfish | pflanze, maybe ask your registrar, it should at least be on there website |
| 12:27.09 | pflanze | This is linphone 2.1.1-1+b1 btw. |
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| 12:27.24 | dutchfish | !info linphone |
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| 12:27.59 | dpkg | linphone: (SIP softphone - graphical client), section sound, is optional. Version: 3.2.1-1 (sid), Packaged size: 75 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 12:28.25 | pflanze | so which one are you using? Mine is from lenny. |
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| 12:28.42 | dutchfish | the one from lenny |
| 12:29.07 | dutchfish | i am not on thta box atm so i cant check |
| 12:29.26 | babilen | judd: versions linphone |
| 12:29.27 | judd | babilen: linphone -- etch: 1.5.1-1 lenny: 2.1.1-1+b1 sid: 3.2.1-1 squeeze: 3.2.1-1 |
| 12:29.31 | dutchfish | !info linphone lenny |
| 12:29.37 | dpkg | linphone: (SIP softphone - graphical client), section sound, is optional. Version: 2.1.1-1+b1 (lenny), Packaged size: 104 kB, Installed size: 288 kB |
| 12:29.39 | dutchfish | babilen, thank you |
| 12:29.52 | babilen | so, it's the same version |
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| 12:30.59 | pflanze | I'd pay 200 USD for a sip client that *really* works, but things don't work this way rite.. |
| 12:31.22 | dutchfish | !comfort pflanze |
| 12:31.22 | dpkg | There, there, pflanze. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:32.12 | pflanze | With really working I mean, I won't run into bad bugs, it works reliably, will keep up logons, will not freeze, will show the idenity of the caller, will not have a >1sec audio delay, |
| 12:32.13 | babilen | pflanze: I am late to the party. Have you tried ekiga? |
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| 12:32.26 | pflanze | will not break after a small security update, |
| 12:33.08 | dutchfish | pflanze, you are forgetting your uplink status ;) |
| 12:33.12 | pflanze | well, maybe I forgot a couple more issues I had to deal with. |
| 12:33.43 | pflanze | babilen: yes I had; issue >1sec delay and loosing logons. |
| 12:33.58 | pflanze | babilen: I then tried the svn version only to run into tons of more bugs. |
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| 12:33.59 | dutchfish | pflanze, there is no 100% garanty in VOIP land as you prolly now |
| 12:34.42 | pflanze | Skype works *very* well compared with any SIP client I've tried. |
| 12:35.01 | cast | shame it's proprietary :\ |
| 12:35.04 | dutchfish | pflanze, but ... putting some efford in understanding it all will help you out most of the time |
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| 12:35.31 | pflanze | understanding what? Like that a client has to just hang in ALSA calls? |
| 12:35.44 | dutchfish | pflanze, yes, skype is okish, BUT not when latency or bandwidth are at low |
| 12:36.27 | pflanze | Yes, Skype is also a bit skippy for me. But the client itself is setting a standard I'd love to see in SIP world. |
| 12:36.32 | dutchfish | pflanze, there is much more too it then the sip client alone |
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| 12:37.13 | dutchfish | pflanze, as long as skype is prop. software its a nono for me |
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| 12:38.18 | ribasushi | dutchfish: nothing wrong with properly working prop. software |
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| 12:39.06 | dutchfish | ribasushi, i have alot of reasons why its not, but that would be offtopic |
| 12:39.22 | ribasushi | rms-reasons or practical reasons? |
| 12:39.25 | ribasushi | just curious |
| 12:39.28 | pflanze | Diamondcard.us has much more features than Skype seems to offer, and they are much cheaper, that's why I still like SIP. |
| 12:39.35 | dutchfish | ribasushi, boils down to security |
| 12:39.54 | pflanze | (And I've already given my incoming phone number there to tons of people) |
| 12:40.31 | mavhc | I can't get sip to work with our cisco phone system |
| 12:40.49 | dutchfish | hey let us stop this and stick to the point of how to VOIP in debian |
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| 12:41.19 | ribasushi | right, voip -> skype ftw :P |
| 12:41.24 | pozic | dutchfish: is there anything not named Skype that works? |
| 12:41.47 | pflanze | yeah; I think I'm going to try SIP communicator and the Gaim (pidgin) SIP/SIMPLE plugin. |
| 12:41.50 | dutchfish | there are named 2, scroll back |
| 12:41.59 | pflanze | Those are those I know I haven't tried yet. |
| 12:42.52 | pozic | dutchfish: linphone and? |
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| 12:43.01 | dutchfish | ekiga was mentioned |
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| 12:43.16 | pozic | dutchfish: and just naming something isn't a guarantee for non-suckiness. |
| 12:43.24 | dutchfish | pozic, true |
| 12:43.35 | pozic | About 10-15% should never ever have been packaged in Debian, imho. |
| 12:44.09 | pozic | And that is an estimate on the packages I have used, the real number is likely to be higher. |
| 12:44.13 | dutchfish | pozic, also true, but if you have a better solution, we all love to hear (open source) |
| 12:44.35 | pozic | dutchfish: I would assign some dictators. |
| 12:44.52 | pozic | dutchfish: that is people that have proven experience with computers to decide. |
| 12:45.08 | pozic | dutchfish: you can have a web of trust to get the same idea. |
| 12:45.24 | pozic | dutchfish: that way people can say: "I don't want my friends to ever use this". |
| 12:45.30 | dutchfish | pozic, why not start coding ? |
| 12:45.48 | pozic | dutchfish: I am already coding something else, and I have much more interesting ideas. |
| 12:46.09 | pozic | dutchfish: you only live for a finite amount of days. You need to make the best of it. |
| 12:46.23 | dutchfish | :) |
| 12:46.29 | pozic | s/days/time |
| 12:46.55 | pflanze | It's really a case where people would probably pay, but how to make it a revenue situation for an OSS developer? |
| 12:47.37 | pozic | pflanze: yes, OSS has an economics problem. |
| 12:47.50 | pozic | pflanze: ironically, MS has a motivation problem. |
| 12:48.39 | dutchfish | ok, guys please stay ontopic or visit #debian-offtopic |
| 12:49.16 | babilen | tried asterisk? might be overkill though. IIRC you could use ekiga as a client and let asterisk handle the SIP part ... |
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| 13:00.31 | mcphail | Just bought a SheevaPlug with pre-installed Ubuntu (which I'm familiar with). Doesn't look as if it will be supported by ubuntu for long. For what period of time will there be security updates on debian atable on ARM? |
| 13:00.47 | mcphail | *stable |
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| 13:03.36 | babilen | stable will receive security updates for as long as Debian exists |
| 13:04.03 | babilen | I don't know how long the ARM architecture will be supported though. |
| 13:04.25 | babilen | You might want to ask on #debian-arm@oftc |
| 13:04.41 | mcphail | babilen: thanks! |
| 13:04.43 | babilen | But I would not expect support to be dropped soon |
| 13:04.50 | babilen | or at all |
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| 13:05.22 | mcphail | babilen: sounds as if I will be scrubbing ubuntu then |
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| 13:06.02 | babilen | mcphail: You could do that for other reasons as well. But there are quite a bunch of debianistas using the sheevaplug ... |
| 13:07.19 | babilen | mcphail: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/kirkwood/sheevaplug/ gives a good overview of the installation process |
| 13:07.30 | mcphail | babilen: i'm quite happy with ubuntu for most purposes, but see little point in setting up a system which will lose security updates in 11 months. Support for the sheeva has been dropped in current ubuntu |
| 13:07.45 | mcphail | babilen: thanks - i'll check out the link |
| 13:08.35 | babilen | mcphail: I also don't see the merits of installing Ubuntu on a device like the sheevaplug. You'll want Debian stable with good support for a headless system. |
| 13:08.46 | babilen | mcphail: Have fun! |
| 13:09.41 | mcphail | babilen: yes - i'm hoping my familiarity with ubuntu will make the debain install fairly painless |
| 13:09.59 | mcphail | pardon my spelling! |
| 13:10.22 | babilen | mcphail: Just come back if you have questions. |
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| 13:12.14 | babilen | mcphail: http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2009/02/msg00057.html |
| 13:14.36 | pflanze | giving up on SIP Communicator as it doesn't seem to offer any STUN support |
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| 13:15.36 | decembre | Hello |
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| 13:15.48 | pflanze | (the alpha2 version from ~2 years ago that is) |
| 13:16.00 | decembre | I have problem using dovecot lda |
| 13:16.49 | decembre | when I write a full command in mailbox_command of postfix/main.cf my amils are bounced and user is said to be unknown ! |
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| 13:25.15 | cantoma | hey guys, Everytime i want to connect to my university computer I initially do ssh universityuser@universityssh then I do ssh user@myhostname. Is there a way of doing it in one command only? |
| 13:25.58 | decembre | why don't do the second command at first ? |
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| 13:26.59 | glo | cantoma: see ssh -L |
| 13:27.05 | cantoma | decembre, is not visible from outside of the university network |
| 13:27.11 | glo | but i think there's a better solution |
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| 13:28.41 | glo | in fact my idea is really bad |
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| 13:29.05 | cantoma | glo, I actually using -X to be able to use gnuplot |
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| 13:31.24 | glo | cantoma: have you tried "ssh host_1 ssh host2" ? |
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| 13:32.16 | cantoma | glo, or ssh host_1 < ssh host_2 |
| 13:32.28 | glo | ??? |
| 13:32.38 | cantoma | glo it doesn't |
| 13:32.40 | glo | seems weird... |
| 13:32.46 | cantoma | well i will check that |
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| 13:32.57 | cantoma | i guess i will keep to double ssh |
| 13:33.00 | cantoma | for now |
| 13:33.17 | glo | or -L |
| 13:33.42 | glo | or something other than ssh to redirect a port on your host_1 |
| 13:33.57 | glo | whatever, goold luck |
| 13:33.59 | ronr1 | hi, my network has two gateways (on different subnets) and one (shorewall / squid) machine that is being used as a gateway by all machines, I want to always use one of the two gateways except when internet through that gateway is down (the second gateway is a simple DSL modem with a slow connection I want to use as a backup for the primary fiber gateway). How could I set such a thing up so that my users never notice anything except when both gateways are down ( |
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| 13:36.52 | SPF | ronr1: you might want to take a look at ospf |
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| 13:37.30 | ronr1 | SPF: thx, will rtfm now |
| 13:37.59 | babilen | ronr1: http://lartc.org/ |
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| 13:50.29 | Phil | can anyone suggest what might be wrong here? http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/view/20f8656a |
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| 13:54.37 | xreal | Which way to you recommend to slim down LVM? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/159136/ |
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| 13:58.30 | Titan8990 | xreal, both of those resize the filesystem prior to resizing the partition... and its LVM, it can be done live, no need to unmount if growing the partition |
| 13:58.54 | xreal | it's shrinking ;-) |
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| 13:58.57 | Titan8990 | xreal, oh, your shrinking... |
| 13:59.10 | xreal | Do I need to turn off the journaling? |
| 13:59.12 | fas3r | anyone use ulogd2 with mysql ? |
| 13:59.15 | xreal | Or is it rebuild anyone? |
| 13:59.17 | xreal | anyway* |
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| 13:59.21 | Titan8990 | xreal, typically you leave space unallocated in your VG so you don't have to shrink |
| 13:59.35 | xreal | Titan8990: Typically... ;-) |
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| 13:59.49 | dstufft | what package do i need to install to get the sendmail command? i tried to apt-get install sendmail sendmail-bin but bash: sendmail: command not found is still occuring |
| 13:59.53 | xreal | Titan8990: Debian's Netinstaller simply assigned 600 GB to /home ... |
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| 14:00.42 | Titan8990 | xreal, the debian installer allows you to make your own partition setup |
| 14:01.37 | xreal | Titan8990: I know, but it's too late ;-) |
| 14:02.05 | xreal | Titan8990: Do I need to switch off the journaling, like in the second one? |
| 14:02.15 | Titan8990 | xreal, don't know, i have never had to shrink one |
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| 14:03.07 | xreal | Titan8990: Okay, then I can try it now ;-) |
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| 14:05.36 | ewet | hi, is there a pastebin-script you can easily pipe into? like in "ls | pastebin" |
| 14:05.53 | Titan8990 | ewet, pastebinit |
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| 14:06.16 | MarkB1 | any blog entries / wiki pages whatever, on tweaking KDE4 "experience" under squeeze? (will rescan del.icio.us) |
| 14:06.18 | ewet | thanks Titan8990 |
| 14:06.33 | dstufft | also paste.pocco.org has a .py for pasting via cl |
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| 14:08.10 | MarkB1 | (and) anyone running squeeze on T400? :) ?? |
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| 14:09.25 | Titan8990 | !anyone |
| 14:09.25 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
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| 14:11.04 | paradoxmonkey | On a read-only filesystem what should I do with /etc/mtab? Can I symlink it to /proc/mounts? |
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| 14:12.32 | ewet | what would be the best approach to include the command itself as the first line of the paste? |
| 14:12.49 | jelly | paradoxmonkey: or symlink it to some rw tmpfs place to make it work? |
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| 14:15.02 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: yes that would actually be better.. /etc/mtab does it need to be persistent across reboots? |
| 14:15.10 | jelly | nah |
| 14:15.53 | MarkB1 | dpkg: thanks, have no specific question, looking to talk w/anyone -- experiences, like those on thinkwiki.org |
| 14:15.53 | dpkg | pas de quoi, MarkB1 |
| 14:16.04 | MarkB1 | argh a bot |
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| 14:16.48 | MarkB1 | dpkg: ok, how about: how do I get IW5000 wireless going on Squeeze, with wicd? it should be going ;) |
| 14:16.48 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, MarkB1 |
| 14:16.55 | MarkB1 | he he he |
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| 14:17.34 | ewet | okay I'll do it manually then.. so here's the thing: |
| 14:17.52 | paradoxmonkey | jelly: I should also symlink /etc/resolv.conf to tmpfs, any other file that needs rw access? |
| 14:18.08 | ewet | I want to install the is32-libs for several reasons but there is a severe problem with libc |
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| 14:19.21 | ewet | my libc6 is 2.10.1-7 and the desired libc6 would be 2.7-18 -- a forced downgrade would wreck the system so what is there to do? |
| 14:19.39 | ewet | two related pastebins are here: http://pastebin.com/m29690464 and here http://pastebin.com/m5d56e1f1 |
| 14:19.53 | ewet | is32=ia32 of course |
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| 14:21.16 | jelly | ewet: which Debian release are you supposed to be running? |
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| 14:21.29 | ewet | jelly, stable |
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| 14:21.37 | jelly | ewet: then, reinstall |
| 14:22.27 | jelly | you have installed one or more packages from a newer release and there's no easy way of going back |
| 14:22.44 | ewet | jelly, I would do that only as the last resort.. I'd sooner upgrade to testing if I must but a reinstall is totally undesired. |
| 14:23.15 | jelly | alright, then switch completely to testing (or better yet, "squeeze") |
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| 14:23.31 | fas3r | anyone use ulogd2 with mysql ? i jsut want to know if the sql schemes is correct ? |
| 14:24.47 | ewet | jelly, a downgrade is totally out of question? |
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| 14:25.08 | jelly | !partial downgrade |
| 14:25.08 | dpkg | This may or may not work for you, but if you've got nothing to lose then try it. (a) Change sources.list (b) aptitude update (c) aptitude and then search for the upgraded packages, hit enter on them, select the correct version (d) do the same for libc6 (e) search for broken packages by hitting "/" and searching for "~b" and then fix them in the same way (f) once you have no more broken packages, hit 'g' |
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| 14:25.28 | jelly | ewet: it's harder to do correctly than a complete reinstall. |
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| 14:26.43 | ewet | jelly, the problem is that I have an encrypted raid5 so it's not really the normal easy install process as well.. |
| 14:28.48 | ewet | if I mess it up with aptitude (especially at the libc part) I'm fucked right? |
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| 14:32.33 | ewet | so it will be complete upgrade to squeeze over the holidays then.. |
| 14:33.37 | Titan8990 | is this a production server? |
| 14:34.55 | ewet | what? my thing? |
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| 14:38.41 | ewet | this would make for a clean full upgrade, right? http://pastebin.com/f46fd5540 and http://pastebin.com/f4247f80a |
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| 14:42.05 | jelly | ewet: yeah. You can also add a squeeze security.d.o repo. It won't help much at this point in time, but you won't forget to add it later. |
| 14:42.05 | asaleem | I am compiling pidgin-2.6.4 and it needs GLib 2.4.0 dev headers while I have glibc-2.3.6-2 on etch. How can I install GLib 2.4.0 dev headers to compile pidgin? |
| 14:42.13 | stew | ewet: why do you need a apt_preferences at all? |
| 14:42.17 | jelly | !lenny->squeeze |
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| 14:42.29 | jelly | dpkg: test |
| 14:42.29 | dpkg | Test failed. |
| 14:42.36 | jelly | dpkg lenny->squeeze |
| 14:42.36 | dpkg | Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
| 14:42.42 | asaleem | I am compiling pidgin-2.6.4 and it needs GLib 2.4.0 dev headers while I have glibc-2.3.6-2 on etch. How can I install GLib 2.4.0 dev headers to compile pidgin? |
| 14:42.49 | jimmy | hello to all |
| 14:43.03 | jimmy | i need help |
| 14:43.11 | Titan8990 | asaleem, why are you manually compiling pigdin? why not use the newer version out of backports? |
| 14:43.13 | jelly | asaleem: can you... upgrade the system to lenny? |
| 14:43.20 | Titan8990 | oh... etch |
| 14:43.30 | jelly | judd versions pidgin |
| 14:43.30 | judd | jelly: pidgin -- lenny-volatile: 2.4.3-4lenny1~volatile0 lenny: 2.4.3-4lenny1 etch-backports: 2.4.3-4lenny5~bpo40+1 lenny-security: 2.4.3-4lenny5 lenny-backports: 2.6.4-1~bpo50+1 sid: 2.6.4-1 squeeze: 2.6.4-1 |
| 14:43.31 | d1b | Titan8990: the version in lenny-backports might be out of date. |
| 14:43.42 | Titan8990 | d1b, IIRC, it atleast has working MSB |
| 14:43.46 | Titan8990 | d1b, MSN |
| 14:43.56 | ewet | stew, I needed it for stable(500)+testing(-10) now it's pretty useless I admit |
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| 14:43.58 | d1b | Titan8990: mm? |
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| 14:44.12 | abrotman | asaleem: you'd have to compile all the depenencies too .. it's probably easier to upgrade to lenny |
| 14:44.16 | jelly | ewet: stable + anything newer = pain |
| 14:44.23 | Titan8990 | d1b, msn or yahoo recently changed the protocol so the standard pigdin in lenny does not work properly with it |
| 14:44.44 | d1b | Titan8990: msn works fine with other older stuff. |
| 14:44.59 | d1b | i don't like how *pidgin* is b0rked when other stuff isn't. |
| 14:45.15 | ewet | jelly, I was really consindering using sidux for a while |
| 14:45.25 | d1b | id move to something else, but nothing else has otr and looks decent. other than say, irssi + jabberd :P |
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| 14:46.08 | asaleem | abrotman, I tried that and I has issues with x windows |
| 14:46.24 | jimmy | how i can update my debian |
| 14:46.28 | asaleem | abrotman, so I reinstalled etch |
| 14:46.29 | Titan8990 | asaleem, you tried it? hwo did your reverse the changes? |
| 14:46.41 | asaleem | Titan8990, I reinstalled etch |
| 14:46.42 | Titan8990 | jimmy, update what exactly? security patches? |
| 14:46.45 | jelly | ewet: I have no opinion on sidux, but am running a squeeze + extra crap on the desktop. |
| 14:46.52 | jimmy | all update |
| 14:47.16 | Titan8990 | jimmy, `aptitude update; aptitude upgrade` |
| 14:47.35 | jimmy | what is that mean? |
| 14:47.42 | d1b | jelly: what's the latest kernel in squeeze btw ? /any ideas if kms works for intel on it? |
| 14:47.45 | jimmy | i type in command lind that |
| 14:47.55 | asaleem | Can't I install Lib 2.4.0 dev headers from lenny repos? |
| 14:47.57 | ewet | now (after the apt-get install ia32-libs and this apt-get update/upgrade) even "apt-get -f install" tells me "E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header" |
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| 14:48.22 | ewet | normally apt-get -f install helps dealing with hickups |
| 14:49.10 | ewet | oh well renamed the preferences file |
| 14:49.31 | Titan8990 | jimmy, yes, what version of debian are you using? |
| 14:49.48 | abrotman | asaleem: you're going to make a mess trying that .. it'd be easier to fix your X issues in lenny |
| 14:50.03 | abrotman | very likely anyways |
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| 14:50.53 | djihed | what signal does the close button send to the app? |
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| 14:51.55 | ewet | what happens with the nvidia drivers on a squeeze system? n/a right? |
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| 14:52.49 | ewet | jelly, I don't like using testing too much because of the freeze mixing up things for a while (and stalling afterwards) it's too rocky for a rolling release |
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| 14:53.59 | jelly | ewet: mixing stable with anything but backports is likely worse |
| 14:54.35 | ewet | yeah.. my intention was to use only stable but it didn't work |
| 14:54.44 | alreadygone | hi, does debian 5 supports ext4? |
| 14:55.04 | jelly | alreadygone: the better question is, do you really want to use ext4? |
| 14:55.05 | d1b | alreadygone: sort of. not considered stable in the lenny kernel. |
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| 14:55.33 | jelly | d1b: or just 'not considered stable'. |
| 14:55.40 | alreadygone | jelly, why not? isn't it better that ext3? |
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| 14:55.47 | d1b | jelly: that too. |
| 14:55.56 | jelly | !better |
| 14:55.57 | dpkg | i heard better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 14:56.07 | alreadygone | !better how? |
| 14:56.10 | beppe | hi all, someones can help me to enable the touchpad on lenny? tnx |
| 14:56.32 | abrotman | beppe: for which WM/DE ? |
| 14:56.36 | alreadygone | like ext3 is better than ext2 |
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| 14:57.24 | ewet | alreadygone, a filesystem could be considered better if it was sure that no data was lost. how about that definition? |
| 14:57.41 | alreadygone | sounds good. |
| 14:57.53 | jelly | alreadygone: it has some newer features. It also has bugs that make a filesystem spontaneously error out. |
| 14:57.57 | alreadygone | but kindly tell me a bit about why *not* ext4 |
| 14:57.59 | Titan8990 | !tell beppe about synaptics |
| 14:58.01 | beppe | abrotman; sorry don't understand WM/DE. I use a TM5730 with a synaptics touchpad. |
| 14:58.06 | Titan8990 | beppe, check you pm from dpkg |
| 14:58.10 | abrotman | beppe: gnome? kde? |
| 14:58.11 | jelly | alreadygone: because it's too new and buggy. |
| 14:58.25 | alreadygone | ko |
| 14:58.25 | alreadygone | ok |
| 14:58.39 | jelly | alreadygone: I'll wait 12-24 months before trying it again, just gotten rid of one instance of ext4. |
| 14:59.37 | d1b | !squeeze key |
| 14:59.42 | abrotman | alreadygone: what were the benefits of ext4 that you were looking to have? |
| 14:59.47 | alreadygone | ok, I was asking because I have a whole disk formatted in ext4. And before I download try Debian I was just making sure it would work. Now you guys have got me thinking about backing up data of that partition and formatting it in ext3.... :| |
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| 15:00.04 | alreadygone | oh I know nothing about filesystems. |
| 15:00.09 | d1b | !key |
| 15:00.09 | dpkg | Install the latest debian-archive-keyring package to get the latest GPG key used to sign the Debian archive. |
| 15:00.13 | abrotman | alreadygone: it is possible to mount an ext4 with other things added to the system |
| 15:00.16 | abrotman | d1b: msg ? |
| 15:00.18 | alreadygone | I saw the number 4 and just formatted my drive |
| 15:00.28 | d1b | abrotman: thought it was key ... |
| 15:00.31 | abrotman | alreadygone: ah .. you have SNS Syndrome |
| 15:00.42 | alreadygone | whats that? |
| 15:00.45 | alreadygone | :) |
| 15:00.53 | alreadygone | sounds good |
| 15:01.03 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 15:01.03 | dpkg | methinks sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 15:01.22 | alreadygone | LOL |
| 15:02.06 | d1b | um. where does one find the key for the squeeze repository ? |
| 15:02.17 | abrotman | d1b: it's in the debian-archive-keyring package already |
| 15:02.42 | d1b | abrotman: but not in my apt-key ? |
| 15:03.06 | abrotman | should be there already |
| 15:03.12 | d1b | nope... |
| 15:03.24 | abrotman | d1b: which version of debian-archive-keyring do you have ? |
| 15:03.31 | d1b | abrotman: lenny. |
| 15:03.54 | d1b | i have debian keys for lenny, etch and that's it in my apt-key |
| 15:04.06 | MarkB1 | hey, the sns in Squeeze (KDE4, at least) is pretty good, IMHO ... ;) |
| 15:04.16 | abrotman | d1b: i'd guess it hasn't gotten the new keyring yet .. what is the key that is missing when you run aptitudeupdate ? |
| 15:04.34 | d1b | abrotman: nothing..... |
| 15:04.44 | alreadygone | i am using kde4 and I hate this SNS |
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| 15:04.53 | alreadygone | I miss KDE 3.5 so much |
| 15:04.56 | abrotman | d1b: huh ? so what's the issue? |
| 15:05.12 | d1b | abrotman: unsigned packages apparently. |
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| 15:05.25 | magikman | fluxbox > kde |
| 15:05.28 | d1b | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 15:05.33 | MarkB1 | alreadygone: admittedly, it could be more tweaked up -- at least as much as the opensuse 11.2 I have seen (KDE4) |
| 15:05.41 | MarkB1 | but it's very fast and "smooth" (ha) on my t400 |
| 15:05.47 | jimmy | any one can help me |
| 15:05.52 | MarkB1 | more problems w/wlan on t400 than KDE4 .... |
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| 15:06.02 | abrotman | d1b: pastebin the whole thing including your apt-get update;aptitude update |
| 15:06.11 | abrotman | jimmy: did you ask a question ? |
| 15:06.27 | jimmy | how i can update my debian |
| 15:06.49 | alreadygone | I had to buy a new pc for KDE4... my old 866 PIII with 256MB ram choked on it... |
| 15:06.56 | abrotman | jimmy: did you ask a question ?? |
| 15:07.03 | abrotman | bah |
| 15:07.07 | abrotman | jimmy: from what to what? |
| 15:07.35 | jimmy | update debian system |
| 15:07.37 | Titan8990 | jimmy, i already told you, was there a problem? |
| 15:08.01 | abrotman | jimmy: your'e being vague .. update it to what? |
| 15:08.12 | jimmy | apititud update |
| 15:08.13 | d1b | http://pastebin.com/f48960e13 |
| 15:08.14 | MarkB1 | alreadygone: well, maybe so. KDE4 seems to be no worse than 3.5 on memory, so far -- I am impressed, even if it's not tweaked out (basic panel setup for apps, etc) as 11.2 suse |
| 15:08.18 | jimmy | its the spell |
| 15:08.32 | abrotman | jimmy: aptitude update .. |
| 15:08.47 | jimmy | ok.. |
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| 15:09.25 | abrotman | d1b: you might want to aptitude install linux-image-686 at some point |
| 15:09.37 | jimmy | but ..why update manager dont show the updates |
| 15:09.46 | d1b | abrotman: that isn't the solution tho. |
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| 15:10.21 | MarkB1 | alreadygone: biggest issue for me on any new desktop -- having to swap caps-lock/ctrl & escape/tilde -- always -- I hate PC keyboards :( |
| 15:10.44 | d1b | abrotman: clearly the squeeze key isn't in apt-key ... |
| 15:10.44 | MarkB1 | still have to muck with xmodmap after ... 15+ years??? |
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| 15:10.58 | abrotman | d1b: which version of debian-archive-keyring is installed ? |
| 15:11.00 | d1b | if i can get the gpg key id i should be able to get the key. |
| 15:11.11 | abrotman | jimmy: updates to what? you're not asking a real question |
| 15:11.29 | alreadygone | MarkB1, for me I miss the old control panel... and somehow I am unable to like plasma stuff |
| 15:11.35 | d1b | abrotman: 2009.01.31 |
| 15:11.45 | beppe | abrotman, ah, ok. gnome |
| 15:11.50 | d1b | judd: versions debian-archive-keyring |
| 15:11.50 | judd | d1b: debian-archive-keyring -- sid: 2008.04.16+nmu1 etch: 2009.01.31 etch-volatile: 2009.01.31 sid: 2009.01.31 squeeze: 2009.01.31 |
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| 15:12.09 | abrotman | d1b: run `apt-get update;aptitude update` |
| 15:12.14 | d1b | eh i can't see the lenny one ... |
| 15:12.27 | jimmy | update the systems |
| 15:12.33 | abrotman | you don't need the lenny one |
| 15:12.38 | abrotman | jimmy: update them to WHAT |
| 15:12.46 | abrotman | jimmy: what kind of updates do you think you're missing? |
| 15:12.52 | d1b | abrotman: just pointing out that judd is missing it. |
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| 15:13.07 | d1b | abrotman: same problem. |
| 15:13.08 | abrotman | d1b: he might be mid-update |
| 15:13.09 | jimmy | update packages |
| 15:13.28 | abrotman | jimmy: there are none available apparently .. have a good day |
| 15:13.31 | d1b | apt-get update no issues. aptitude update no issues, trying to install aptitude issues. |
| 15:13.43 | d1b | i assume this means i have the gpg key but its not in apt-key. |
| 15:13.55 | d1b | would be nice if i was told the missing gpg key id... |
| 15:14.02 | jimmy | ok |
| 15:14.05 | jimmy | dear |
| 15:14.06 | orion_x11 | I am trying to update my system, but it hangs saying that some packages have bugs and because of that it does not complete the configuration > grub-pc(2 bugs), netbase(1 bug), python-twisted-core(1 bug) |
| 15:14.11 | jimmy | you got me what i mean? |
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| 15:14.25 | abrotman | d1b: no |
| 15:14.27 | abrotman | whoop |
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| 15:14.30 | abrotman | jimmy: no |
| 15:14.35 | orion_x11 | So how to complete it? |
| 15:14.47 | MarkB1 | alreadygone: at least the "plasma addons" package has some extra goodies -- I am running the minimalist analog clock and the system-load-viewer |
| 15:15.01 | MarkB1 | all i need 4 now, though I should try out weather gadgets |
| 15:15.01 | orion_x11 | I am using aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 15:15.26 | abrotman | d1b: i'm running squeeze here, i have the same keys |
| 15:15.29 | alreadygone | i'm just running the good old gkrellm |
| 15:15.49 | d1b | abrotman: perhaps the mirror im using is b0rked? |
| 15:16.03 | abrotman | d1b: just let it go .. it's possible .. as long as the packages match md5, should be okay |
| 15:16.15 | d1b | abrotman: no :P |
| 15:16.29 | abrotman | no? |
| 15:16.32 | jimmy | let me ask you onething |
| 15:16.55 | MarkB1 | alreadygone: never used it, looks like some older (not so fancy) X load mons -- but I have never liked Gnome at all, so rarely use much of those apps -- Xfce (newer) is not so bad, much better than Gnome desktop/wm IMHO |
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| 15:17.01 | Titan8990 | jimmy, just ask... |
| 15:17.07 | d1b | abrotman: isn't the package file not actually gpg checked ? |
| 15:17.11 | d1b | i thought it wasn't only md5 ? |
| 15:17.30 | abrotman | d1b: the repo is GPG signed, the packages have an md5 |
| 15:17.34 | abrotman | !apt secure |
| 15:17.34 | dpkg | somebody said apt secure was See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch7.en.html ; apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <no public key> |
| 15:17.37 | d1b | abrotman: yes. |
| 15:17.46 | abrotman | d1b: if you think the mirror is hosed, try another |
| 15:17.53 | jimmy | for what thing update manadger is used |
| 15:17.57 | d1b | abrotman: will do. |
| 15:18.11 | abrotman | jimmy: what updates do you think you're missing .. what packages do you think need to be updated ? |
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| 15:19.02 | Titan8990 | abrotman, it sounds like he might just be looking for a GUI approach to upgrades |
| 15:19.10 | Titan8990 | which I wouldn't know about |
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| 15:19.35 | d1b | abrotman: im not actually sure what it means if the release list is signed properly yet packages are not ? |
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| 15:19.38 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. he can't state which upgrades he's missing .. it doesn't matter if it's GUI or TUI or nothing |
| 15:19.42 | d1b | that just seems odd to me. |
| 15:19.52 | abrotman | d1b: maybe you just need a newer aptitude ? |
| 15:19.55 | d1b | erh * md5's fail. |
| 15:20.15 | d1b | abrotman: i don't think so. |
| 15:20.28 | abrotman | d1b: then just say Y and let htem install |
| 15:20.43 | d1b | abrotman: but im not being told why they are untrusted. |
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| 15:20.50 | Phil | can anyone suggest what might be wrong here? http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/view/20f8656a |
| 15:20.51 | d1b | i would download them sure. |
| 15:21.03 | d1b | but not install. |
| 15:21.40 | Titan8990 | Phil, /tmp is a read-only filesystem? |
| 15:21.48 | abrotman | d1b: the GPG thing is busted .. try another mirror |
| 15:22.04 | alreadygone | MarkB1, I installed Slackware13 yesterday and deselected KDE. And Slackware has no gnome. So, when I got to use xfce, I was lost. There was no KWrite (obviously), and to edit source files with syntax highlighting, I had only vim. If you clicked on the clock, there was no calendar. There was no *usable* simple paint program (like KolorPaint) in there. There was no option to right click on an archive and extract it. There was no clipboard applet in the ta |
| 15:22.06 | alreadygone | sk bar. Things like that. It's requires lot of time to set it up to my needs. |
| 15:22.16 | Phil | Titan8990, no - it can be written to fine but a user who does not own a file cannot delete that file regardless of the world permissions |
| 15:22.28 | abrotman | the sticky bit ? |
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| 15:23.04 | d1b | abrotman: so it is, my mirror is borked. |
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| 15:23.10 | d1b | *angry* |
| 15:23.21 | Phil | "/dev/hda9 on /tmp type ext3 (rw)" |
| 15:23.26 | LimCore | lenny is the current debian right? |
| 15:23.38 | Titan8990 | !lenny |
| 15:23.38 | dpkg | i guess lenny is the binoculars, or the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 5.0, released on 2009-02-14: http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090214 Ask me about <release notes>, <install debian>, <etch->lenny>, <installer firmware>. Currently <5.0.3>. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLenny |
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| 15:23.42 | LimCore | because there are many bugs that I remeber from year(s) ago, and they are still there in lenny |
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| 15:24.11 | Titan8990 | LimCore, such as? |
| 15:24.20 | abrotman | !tell LimCore about meaning of stable |
| 15:24.31 | LimCore | Titan8990: apt-get asks KontynuowaÄ? [T/n/?] t but "t" is wrong, you must type "y" |
| 15:24.53 | abrotman | use aptitude ? |
| 15:24.53 | LimCore | I remember reporting, or reading about this bug, in debian and/or ubuntu, probably in 2008 or so |
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| 15:25.15 | abrotman | LimCore: it's probably fixed in squeeze, but it's not a critical bug i can't imagine .. |
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| 15:25.28 | LimCore | sure this is no serious problem... but I found 3 problems in literally 20 minutes of usage... so I worry what awaits |
| 15:25.43 | LimCore | 4 problems even |
| 15:25.59 | abrotman | so file bugs |
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| 15:26.15 | LimCore | 3 problems with apt-get, 2 with trying to install java (actually they are separate) |
| 15:26.37 | Titan8990 | LimCore, what problems did you have installing java? |
| 15:26.41 | LimCore | abrotman: this problems are well known. Perhaps I should use testing |
| 15:26.57 | refreshFSN | ima having issues trying to install ati proprietary driver. when i try to generate debian specific package i get dpkg-architecture error. and when i choose automatic driver installation afterwards i cannot opet catalyst control center, and i need it to enable xinerama. any ideas how to do it? |
| 15:27.05 | abrotman | LimCore: perhaps you should |
| 15:27.21 | LimCore | Titan8990: security experts, CVE, and other sources agree, that java shiped by debian in Lenny is remote exploitable (arbitrary code, due to libexpat / libxml problem). It is fixed in squeeze |
| 15:27.21 | Titan8990 | refreshFSN, install fglrx the debian way using m-a |
| 15:27.59 | LimCore | I do not want super-constant API, but I need secure, quite up to date, and often bug-fixed applications for a server. Should I go with debian testing? |
| 15:28.01 | Titan8990 | LimCore, wnpp shows java6 as currently orphaned, maybe you would like to pick up the work :) |
| 15:28.05 | abrotman | LimCore: don't mistake the version some guy on CVE lists think is vulnerable and the Debian package |
| 15:28.07 | jelly | LimCore: no. |
| 15:28.11 | abrotman | !tell LimCore about tracker of doom |
| 15:28.12 | d1b | Titan8990: lol. |
| 15:28.15 | abrotman | and testing isn't going to be better |
| 15:28.17 | Titan8990 | LimCore, O 544629 sun-java6 -- Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 |
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| 15:28.43 | LimCore | someone instructed me to I think use java from squeeze, it seems to be patched as far as I understand |
| 15:28.55 | refreshFSN | Titan8990: should i follow this tutorial? http://www.debianadmin.com/how-to-install-ati-fglrx-driver-in-debian.html |
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| 15:29.03 | d1b | !fglrx |
| 15:29.03 | dpkg | fglrx is probably "FireGL and Radeon for X", the AMD/ATI proprietary display driver. To install, ask me about <fglrx one-liner> or follow the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/ATIProprietary . As of fglrx-driver 1:9-4-1, no chipsets prior to the R600 series are supported; ask me about <radeon> or <radeonhd> instead. #ati on irc.freenode.net. |
| 15:29.05 | LimCore | I tried also openjdk but it failed to install, perhaps because I have little free memory there |
| 15:29.07 | jelly | LimCore: use stable. If you have to use newer versions of things, use backported packages or make backports yourself. If you need java... well, you can even go and use tarballs from upstream. |
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| 15:29.27 | d1b | LimCore: what was wrong with openjdk ? |
| 15:29.28 | Titan8990 | LimCore, and yes, debian provides security updates. for example, even though debian has 2.6.26 kernel, it is not vulnerable to null pointer dereference that over < .30 kernels are vulnerable to because it recieves security patches |
| 15:29.30 | fr33k | blist |
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| 15:29.47 | fr33k | blist |
| 15:29.48 | Titan8990 | refreshFSN, no, you should follow the official guide in the wiki |
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| 15:30.01 | fr33k | sorry wrong window |
| 15:30.16 | jelly | LimCore: we use tarballs for both jdk/jre and tomcat, Debian isn't quite quick enough or has too weird setups to bother with the packaged stuff. |
| 15:30.20 | refreshFSN | ok, thank you |
| 15:30.30 | Titan8990 | refreshFSN, in fact, that guide is awful |
| 15:30.45 | refreshFSN | i see that now |
| 15:30.52 | wonderboy | i have a .img file of first dvd of lenny. am trying to burn it to a dvd.. file Debian_Lenny_Official_DVD1.img says "Debian_Lenny_Official_DVD1.img: ISO 9660 CD-ROM filesystem data UDF filesystem data (unknown version, id 'NSR01') 'Debian 5.0.0 i386 Bin-1 ' (bootable)" and mount -o loop file.img /mnt gives a clear mount of the dvd image . Is it ok to just rename it to .iso and simply burn it? ccd2iso said it can't "open source |
| 15:30.52 | wonderboy | file for reading" though i tried a lot of chmoding or i should use genisoimage at /mnt after mounting the .img there? |
| 15:31.04 | magesing | Hi everyone. I have a debian system running on a RAID array (mirrored). /home and / are mounted on two partitions which are 150G each. I am trying to use the debian installer to split my / partition into one 50G partition and one 100G partition. My problem is, that once I delete the partition and create my 100G partition, the remaining 50G is labelled as "unusable." How can I split my / partition? Thanks. |
| 15:31.32 | jelly | wonderboy: you don't even have to rename it. |
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| 15:32.13 | wonderboy | jelly: well yeah i remember burning them earlier but the gui stuffs aren't taking them as image this time .. |
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| 15:32.17 | jelly | wonderboy: use growisofs from dvd+rw-tools package to burn it. |
| 15:32.47 | LimCore | ok thanks. I will be back later |
| 15:32.59 | SmokeyD | hey everyone, how can I see on the commandline which dvd/cdrw device my computer has? |
| 15:33.03 | jelly | wonderboy: I don't have any idea why a GUI wrapper would refuse to burn it, but then again, there's no need to use a GUI anyway |
| 15:33.09 | jhutchins | magesing: Are you using the installer to do the partitioning? |
| 15:33.45 | jhutchins | magesing: What mount point is the other partition going to be |
| 15:33.46 | Titan8990 | SmokeyD, lshw will give detailed hardware information |
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| 15:34.03 | jelly | wonderboy: the EXAMPLES section of its manual page has a line you may use verbatim |
| 15:34.09 | magesing | jhutchins: I am using the installers partitioning |
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| 15:34.16 | SmokeyD | Titan8990: thanks, that is what I needed |
| 15:34.23 | e7th04sh | hi, could it be that i need to ass Section Module to xorg.conf to enable 3d hw accelaration? |
| 15:34.27 | e7th04sh | add* |
| 15:34.27 | SmokeyD | I was already trying lspci and stuff and searching in proc |
| 15:34.29 | SmokeyD | :) |
| 15:34.34 | magesing | jhutchins: the new 100G partition is going to be a /data/ partition... for some shared data between users |
| 15:34.50 | Titan8990 | e7th04sh, what kind of video card? |
| 15:34.53 | e7th04sh | radeon |
| 15:34.56 | jamesstanley | So my sound was working fine in 2.6.30. Now I am running 2.6.26-openvz, and sound doesn't work. snd_intel8x0 is loaded, but /dev/dsp doesn't exist, and /proc/asound/cards doesn't show my sound card |
| 15:34.59 | Titan8990 | !ati |
| 15:34.59 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon> and <radeonhd>. See also <radeon vs radeonhd>. Installing proprietary drivers from amd.com (i.e. with the ATI Driver Installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati (irc.freenode.net). |
| 15:35.11 | wonderboy | jelly: yup.. reading the very same thing:) |
| 15:35.19 | e7th04sh | Titan8990, it seems to recognize card ok |
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| 15:35.22 | Titan8990 | e7th04sh, you may need to install the proprietary drivers, depending on the card |
| 15:35.35 | Titan8990 | e7th04sh, yes, but there is no 3d acceleration with the standard "radeon" driver IIRC |
| 15:35.38 | e7th04sh | Titan8990, i use "radeon" driver and it's correct for my card |
| 15:35.40 | jhutchins | magesing: Don't now why it would do that. You should probably just use a live CD to partition it with fdisk and then use the advanced partitioning selection in the installer. |
| 15:35.41 | d1b | Titan8990: depends. |
| 15:35.45 | Titan8990 | e7th04sh, you have to use radeonhd or fglrx |
| 15:35.46 | e7th04sh | Titan8990, there is, i believe |
| 15:35.52 | jhutchins | magesing: Someone else here might know why it's doing that though. |
| 15:35.54 | d1b | e7th04sh: yes there is, but it depends on the card. |
| 15:36.03 | e7th04sh | Titan8990, it used to work before i upgraded to squeeze |
| 15:36.14 | magesing | jhutchins: hmmm... maybe I have too many partitions.... Anyone know how many primary partitions I'm allowed to have? |
| 15:36.17 | e7th04sh | and for last two days i am fixing stuff i messed up with that ..."upgrade" |
| 15:36.26 | jhutchins | magesing: How many _do_ you have? |
| 15:36.27 | Titan8990 | e7th04sh, why did you upgrade to testing? |
| 15:36.36 | d1b | e7th04sh: the newer xorg might want kms for the card |
| 15:36.40 | e7th04sh | Titan8990, i thought that testing is ok for a desktop |
| 15:36.58 | wonderboy | jelly: /me proceeding with growisofs -dvd-compat -Z /dev/dvd=image.img |
| 15:36.59 | magesing | jhutchins: currently 4 /boot swap / and /home |
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| 15:37.05 | Titan8990 | e7th04sh, if you want a broken desktop... or want to help out the project by filing bug reports |
| 15:37.05 | jhutchins | magesing: Rumor had it that only DOS/Windows cared about more than four primaries, *nix didn't care, but you may be the first one to test it. |
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| 15:37.35 | e7th04sh | Titan8990, well, now that it's done i ain't reverting it, cause my next step will be Gentoo once i have some more free time.. i have to live with it |
| 15:37.41 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, i don't think fdisk will allow you to create more than 4 primaries |
| 15:37.55 | Titan8990 | jhutchins, you have to create an extended + logical |
| 15:38.01 | MJD | jhutchins: the DOS partitioning scheme only supports four primary partitions. It has nothing todo with OS, its about how the on-disk format works. |
| 15:38.25 | Titan8990 | e7th04sh, there is no option to revert anyways |
| 15:38.27 | magesing | jhutchins: yeah... I'm doing it again with logical partitions and it works |
| 15:38.43 | e7th04sh | Titan8990, well, there is always reinstallation, but i ain;t doing that now |
| 15:39.01 | e7th04sh | Titan8990, anyways, glxinfo says i have 32d rendering but 3d is very slow so it probably lies |
| 15:39.02 | jhutchins | magesing: Ok, I'm definitely marking that rumor as at least not true of all tools, possibly bogus. |
| 15:39.58 | e7th04sh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:40.41 | e7th04sh | and i found somewhere, that i need to add "dri" and "glx" to section modeul in xorg.conf - but i have no module section in that gile |
| 15:40.42 | Titan8990 | e7th04sh, xorg.conf isn't even needed for your current setup |
| 15:40.43 | e7th04sh | file* |
| 15:40.55 | wonderboy | jelly: thanks..bye.. |
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| 15:40.57 | stew | jhutchins: there simply isn't enough room in the MBR for more than 4 primary partitions |
| 15:41.00 | e7th04sh | Titan8990, so where to look for problem then? |
| 15:41.02 | Titan8990 | e7th04sh, all that is done by HAL when xserver is started |
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| 15:41.10 | stew | jhutchins: err, s/mbr/boot sector/ |
| 15:41.10 | Titan8990 | e7th04sh, BTS? |
| 15:41.43 | e7th04sh | bts - bug tracking system? |
| 15:41.47 | d1b | !bts |
| 15:41.48 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 15:41.55 | e7th04sh | i doubt it's a bug, it is my fault |
| 15:42.37 | Titan8990 | i don't know, it sounds like you got a 3d performance decrease using the same drivers as before, only new driver version and newer xorg |
| 15:43.03 | e7th04sh | but is there nothing that could be destroyed during upgrade? |
| 15:43.04 | datenritter | i have set GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vga=864" and GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x800 in /etc/default/grub, but except the grub-menu itself my screen is not set to that mode. (i.e. after the menu it switches back to normal text mode.) what should i do? |
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| 15:44.14 | e7th04sh | i did change list of sources for apt, then ran apt-get update, apt-get install apt and apt-get upgrade |
| 15:44.29 | Titan8990 | datenritter, you want to add something like: video=uvesafb:1600x1200-32@70,mtrr:3,ywrap to the kernel line |
| 15:44.48 | Titan8990 | video=uvesafb:1280x800-32@70,mtrr:3,ywrap sorry |
| 15:44.51 | e7th04sh | and it gave me a lot of strange results, like uninstalling synaptic entirely... and probably many more worse, that i did not see |
| 15:45.09 | datenritter | Titan8990: uh, since when is that required? vga=864 worked fine with grub1 |
| 15:45.33 | datenritter | Titan8990: is there an explanation for these mode settings somewhere? |
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| 15:45.55 | datenritter | (where i could read what mtrr and ywrap stand for...) |
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| 15:46.57 | jelly | datenritter: kernel source (or kernel docs), Documentation/fb/ |
| 15:47.25 | Titan8990 | datenritter, http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Framebuffer |
| 15:47.34 | datenritter | ^^ |
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| 15:48.11 | oru_work | for some reason mysql and other services that are associated with it are taking up way more memory than it should |
| 15:48.28 | jelly | datenritter: enabling framebuffer mode can interfere with X, so if you start and predominantly use X later, don't bother with it |
| 15:48.28 | Titan8990 | mysql caches a lot of memory, yes |
| 15:48.40 | datenritter | ok, and: is there a way to hide the grub2 menu, i.e. make it timeout silently unless you press a key which will show the menu? (i think this was menu=hidden in grub1) |
| 15:49.00 | oru_work | a logbot for irc that i am running shows that its using 640 mb of ram |
| 15:49.11 | datenritter | jelly: i can't work without a high res console, even though i use X most of the time. |
| 15:49.20 | Titan8990 | oru_work, what logbot? |
| 15:49.22 | d1b | oru_work: stop using log bots :P |
| 15:49.26 | datenritter | jelly: too often i have to fix things from tty1... |
| 15:49.48 | oru_work | Titan8990, http://www.jibble.org/logbot/ |
| 15:50.55 | thrashold | What's the easiest way to install i686 gcc on amd64 debian? I want to use them for distcc for my i686 boxes |
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| 15:51.07 | badzo | hello |
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| 15:51.18 | xentoo | having a little trouble trying to build madwifi modules against my 2.6.30-backports.1-686 even though all the relevant headers in place... |
| 15:51.28 | xentoo | using m-a |
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| 15:51.58 | badzo | I am sorry to interrupt, but i have a problem with bluetooth-applet. it seems like it cant see if my bluetooth device is plugged in. hcitool scanning and gnome-obex-send work great |
| 15:52.01 | Titan8990 | xentoo, having problems with the ath5k or ath9k drivers? madwifi is deprecated |
| 15:52.32 | badzo | i am using debian lenny |
| 15:52.38 | oru_work | any ideas on my memory issue ? |
| 15:52.39 | MJD | thrashold: Depending on what you are trying to build, passing -m32 (as a compiler flag) to either an amd64 or i686 gcc will produce code for i686. (-m64 creates code for amd64) |
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| 15:52.51 | jelly | datenritter: which graphic card, which debian release? |
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| 15:52.52 | thrashold | badzo: I believe it is using the BlueZ dbus interface, while the hcitool, etc. aren't. Are you in the bluetooth group? |
| 15:53.07 | badzo | thrashold: i will check |
| 15:53.39 | synack | has anyone reported sound card module problems when jumping from lenny to squeeze? snd_cs0106 is now throwing "error -16" in dmesg and not registering my audigy |
| 15:53.44 | badzo | thrashold: there is no group called bluetooth |
| 15:53.46 | oru_work | 627M meory |
| 15:54.06 | badzo | should I create it? |
| 15:54.18 | synack | snd_ca0106 rather |
| 15:54.26 | thrashold | badzo: Maybe it's on squeeze/sid. Pastebin your /etc/dbus-1/system.d/bluetooth.conf |
| 15:54.45 | xentoo | are the athXk driver capable of dropping into monitor... for use with kismet...? |
| 15:55.04 | datenritter | jelly: intel 945 or something, testing |
| 15:55.11 | badzo | thrashold: http://pastebin.com/m4de65ed0 |
| 15:55.20 | datenritter | jelly: just figured out the modeline... will test... |
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| 15:56.18 | datenritter | but before rebooting, i would like to know what "/usr/sbin/grub-setup: warn: Your embedding area is unusually small. core.img won't fit in it." means... oO |
| 15:56.46 | thrashold | MJD: I know this, but I had trouble in the past with distcc and -m32 (I don't know the details about distcc and gcc, so I couldn't fix it, and I'm not entirely sure how to configure it), so I installed a cross environment for i686 , i686-linux-gnu-gcc, etc, and distcc transparently used this. Also, I have one arm box and I need a distcc compiler for that, too. |
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| 15:57.05 | oru_work | how can I check what time is set on my debian server |
| 15:57.09 | oru_work | and timezone |
| 15:57.16 | jelly | datenritter: you could try using KMS then (add i915.modeset=1 to boot parameters, and when X starts for the first time the console will also automatically switch to KMS-powered framebuffer) |
| 15:57.23 | thrashold | badzo: OK, this means that you should be able to access bluetooth any time you're at the console |
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| 15:57.48 | d1b | oru_work: date ? |
| 15:57.59 | jelly | datenritter: this should more or less work with 2.6.30 or newer kernel |
| 15:58.07 | datenritter | jelly: there should be no problem booting with 1280x800 and starting x.... it worked all the time |
| 15:58.15 | d1b | !tzconfig |
| 15:58.15 | dpkg | it has been said that timezone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata" (Lenny, Squeeze) or "tzconfig" (Etch, Sarge). Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. |
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| 15:59.19 | datenritter | hmm, i hope i didn't run into grub problems... l8r |
| 15:59.24 | badzo | thrashold: so is there anything I can change in this file to get an access to bluetooth in bluetooth-applet? |
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| 15:59.45 | thrashold | badzo: Try one of the two examples I put at the bottom here as a workaround: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/159159/ |
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| 16:02.08 | MJD | thrashold: http://psas.pdx.edu/DebianCrossCompilerHowto/ ? |
| 16:02.14 | badzo | thrashold: bluetooth-applet is working, but new problem has occured |
| 16:02.31 | badzo | thrashold: when i try to send something i get Bluez DBus interface not available |
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| 16:03.29 | thrashold | badzo: Also, here's the default bluetooth.conf in sid, it can give you ideas: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/159161/ |
| 16:03.50 | badzo | okay, thanks, i will try |
| 16:03.56 | oru_work | d1b, not sure what ti pick as a timezone for Washington State, which is where my server is located |
| 16:04.20 | thrashold | badzo: Try adding <allow own="org.bluez.Agent" /> to the policy for your group user. I'm completely making up this now, so don't expect it to work. |
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| 16:11.18 | ethanol | ns1:/etc/bind# /usr/bin/rdiff-backup /etc/bind /mnt/file1/etc/bind |
| 16:11.19 | ethanol | Fatal Error: Source /etc/bind is not a directory |
| 16:11.20 | ethanol | :< |
| 16:11.25 | synack | how would i go about telling debian to reinitialize / reinstall / re-whatever else its sound subsystem from scratch. it used to work under lenny but doesn't seem to have carried over properly into squeeze |
| 16:11.27 | ethanol | it's owned by user:group bind:bind |
| 16:11.34 | ethanol | but root should be able to overrule that, shouldn't it? |
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| 16:12.46 | synack | ethanol: is /etc/bind a symlink? |
| 16:12.50 | ethanol | nope |
| 16:13.08 | ethanol | ns1:/etc/bind# ls -la |
| 16:13.09 | ethanol | total 200 |
| 16:13.09 | ethanol | drwxr-sr-x 3 bind bind 4096 2009-12-17 12:58 . |
| 16:13.27 | ethanol | wait |
| 16:13.28 | ethanol | s ? |
| 16:13.37 | synack | try 'ls -l /etc | grep bind' |
| 16:13.55 | ethanol | no such file or directory |
| 16:14.20 | ethanol | oh |
| 16:14.34 | ethanol | my coworker just informs me it could be chrooted |
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| 16:18.02 | ethanol | durrr, /var/lib/named |
| 16:18.04 | ethanol | nevermind me :< |
| 16:18.30 | ethanol | time to go home |
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| 16:24.23 | oru_work | can someone have a look at this and maybe hint me on why this logbot is taking up so much memory http://picasaweb.google.com/pavel.mishuk/Rootforum?authkey=Gv1sRgCM6wxsTCtvLMnAE#slideshow/5418465757081133410 |
| 16:24.28 | oru_work | I would appreciate it |
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| 16:26.40 | datenritter | gagh, neither video=uvesafb:mode=1280x800-32@60,ywrap,nomtrr nor video=intelfb:mode=1280x800-32,mtrr nor video=intelfb:mode=1280x800-24 work :( |
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| 16:32.53 | datenritter | how can i track down issues with suspend to ram? when i wake up my notebook, it shows a black screen and doesn't react to anything. |
| 16:33.40 | asaleem | how do I know if a library dependency exist on the system with ldd? |
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| 16:36.34 | ananthgs | Hi all. I am on Lenny 5.0.3. I have a 2Gb RAM and an Intel Core 2 Duo Processor... |
| 16:36.38 | ananthgs | I want a help |
| 16:36.47 | abrotman | !tell datenritter about suspend troubleshooting |
| 16:36.52 | abrotman | ananthgs: so ask a questoin |
| 16:36.58 | ananthgs | Recently - my gnome-system-monitor |
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| 16:37.01 | jair | ananthgs: what is your problem? |
| 16:37.05 | abrotman | asaleem: anywhere? or just a single binary ? |
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| 16:37.24 | ananthgs | my RAM is showing as 885.1 MB |
| 16:37.27 | ananthgs | and not 2GB |
| 16:37.35 | abrotman | ananthgs: uname -r .. what does it say ? |
| 16:37.37 | ananthgs | and some times it shows as 2GB |
| 16:37.42 | ananthgs | ya one min |
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| 16:37.47 | jair | ananthgs: open a terminal and run free -m |
| 16:37.50 | asaleem | abrotman, how do I know if a dependency exist on the system from the output of ldd |
| 16:38.21 | abrotman | asaleem: it would point to a library ? |
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| 16:38.30 | abrotman | jair: he said .. 885MB |
| 16:38.40 | asaleem | abrotman, I ran ldd on a library to see its depencies, how do I know which one are fullfilled from the output |
| 16:38.42 | ananthgs | @abortman it is 2.6.26-2-486 |
| 16:38.46 | stew | ananthgs: you want to use either a 686 kernel if you want a 32 bit kernel or a amd64 kernel if want a 64 bit kernel |
| 16:38.51 | abrotman | ananthgs: aptitude install linux-image-686 |
| 16:39.14 | asaleem | abrotman, you mean if it has =>path_to_library, it means it has the dependency |
| 16:39.14 | ananthgs | but why do i want to install linux-image-686 |
| 16:39.20 | ananthgs | any specific reason? |
| 16:39.27 | stew | ananthgs: becuase the 486 kernel you are currently using only supports 885mb of ram |
| 16:39.41 | ananthgs | oh ok fine |
| 16:39.45 | ananthgs | thanks a lot |
| 16:39.47 | babilen | ananthgs: any specific readon for *not* installing it? |
| 16:39.49 | ananthgs | i remember it.. |
| 16:39.50 | stew | ananthgs: the 686 kernel will suport up to 4gb |
| 16:39.56 | ananthgs | ok fine |
| 16:40.03 | ananthgs | @All: Thanks a ton |
| 16:40.04 | stew | well, actually 3.6 or so, but... |
| 16:40.10 | ananthgs | as I did not know about it |
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| 16:40.16 | ananthgs | ok fine |
| 16:40.19 | xreal | is there a faster method than "rm -rf" for directories? |
| 16:40.28 | krang | Hey all, any suggestions for managing packages across a large number of machines? I basically want to be able to add and remove packages from groups I define, and be notified of any errors. I actually want to integrate this into a web interface as part of a larger system, so just wondering what the smartest way to record and manipulate install/remove/error information is on the local machines. |
| 16:40.30 | abrotman | do you really need -f ? |
| 16:40.43 | abrotman | krang: cfengine or puppet perhaps |
| 16:40.49 | xreal | abrotman: it has many subdirectories |
| 16:40.59 | abrotman | that doesn't mean you need -f |
| 16:41.23 | xreal | okay ... but it still needs ages to remove the whole thing. |
| 16:41.29 | krang | abrotman: thanks, that's enough to start me off with some reading. I'll go take a look. |
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| 16:42.12 | oru_work | can someone hint me on why this tiny program is taking up so much memory , this is a copy paste from htop http://dpaste.com/137068/ |
| 16:42.54 | babilen | krang: dish or dsh *might* be all you need. (distributed shells) |
| 16:43.06 | JPT | oru_work: from left to right... what is the RES-column? |
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| 16:43.57 | oru_work | JPT, I am not sure |
| 16:44.00 | JPT | oru_work: the real ram usage is given by the RES-Column...so it's about 15mb |
| 16:44.02 | jair | guys this is a complete out of topic question but you may be able to send me to the right place. I will be working on perefectioning the image of my data center and will be creating cat5e calbles right lenght very organized, I visited the belkin website and tiger direct for a type of cat5e cable and also the LAN networking kit, criper, connectors blah blah any of you know a site or have a suggestion for the best kit to get, if you have experience making the cat5 |
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| 16:44.08 | stew | oru_work: you can limit the amount of ram that java will use in the vm by adding "-Xmx64M" to the jvm arguments (to limit to 64mb for exaple) |
| 16:44.23 | JPT | jair: sounds like ##networking if the channel exists ;) |
| 16:44.33 | stew | jair: or ##hardware |
| 16:44.48 | jair | stew: thank you sir |
| 16:45.02 | jair | JPT: I am on that channel but nobody is chatting =( |
| 16:45.12 | abrotman | jair: so be patient |
| 16:45.16 | JPT | well...was just a guess ;) |
| 16:45.31 | jair | abrotman: as always =) thank you |
| 16:45.50 | jair | thank you all for the suggestions |
| 16:45.56 | oru_work | stew, why is it giving so many instances in the list for this program ? |
| 16:46.22 | abrotman | not sure if ##electronics would also be any help, though i guess it's not really electronics as much as electrical work |
| 16:46.29 | stew | oru_work: becuase the jvm has spawned multiple threads, the memory they are reporitng is shared across all the threads |
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| 16:47.17 | jair | abrotman: right =) thank you though. I will check on google as well |
| 16:47.18 | oru_work | stew, is it normal for jvm to spawn so many threads ? |
| 16:47.51 | stew | oru_work: only if that is what the code says to do, check the source |
| 16:48.25 | oru_work | stew, okay, where can i add "-Xmx64M", is there a file to edit to put that in ? |
| 16:48.32 | krang | babilen: Those basically blindly administer commands, then report back the results in some aggregated/summarised form, yes? |
| 16:48.37 | stew | oru_work: that would go on the java command line |
| 16:48.47 | babilen | krang: yes |
| 16:49.12 | babilen | krang: try them - just wanted to pointed out something less heavy then cfengine. It might be all you need |
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| 16:49.16 | Scurz | hi |
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| 16:49.51 | krang | babilen: I should at least look at the. Thanks! |
| 16:49.56 | oru_work | stew, so right now its basically 13mb times the number of instances and in my case its 13 x 11 ? |
| 16:50.37 | stew | oru_work: no, the memory is being shared across all the threads |
| 16:50.38 | Scurz | I've a debian server, I think it is hacked, could you tell me how to know where the file was uploaded if you look this http://pastebin.fr/6339 ? How is it possible to do something like a "wget" with apache ? |
| 16:50.53 | stew | oru_work: oh, if this is only using 13mb, that is nothing |
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| 16:51.57 | oru_work | stew, well this is what i'm seeing on my screen , this is a partial copy paste from htop http://dpaste.com/137068/ |
| 16:52.27 | oru_work | stew, the RES column shows 13036 |
| 16:53.41 | stew | oru_work: right the jvm is using 627M total but only 13MB is resident? why is this a problem? |
| 16:53.59 | oru_work | stew, and this is an entire desktop screenshot http://picasaweb.google.com/pavel.mishuk/Rootforum?authkey=Gv1sRgCM6wxsTCtvLMnAE#slideshow/5418465757081133410 |
| 16:54.38 | oru_work | stew, well I think that i really do not want the jvm to use so much memory resources, doesn't it sound a lot to you ? |
| 16:54.49 | oru_work | stew, the only reason i isntalled java is to be able to run this bot |
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| 16:55.09 | stew | oru_work: what problems is this causing? are you running short on swap? |
| 16:55.11 | oru_work | stew, and the fact that htop is showing that its using 627mb of memory is really scaring me |
| 16:56.16 | oru_work | stew, well if you look at the screenshot and tell me that its fine then I will believe you , i just really do not like to see that it says Mem[1099/1464MB] |
| 16:56.57 | oru_work | stew, or am I just confused and shouldn't be panicking ? |
| 16:57.01 | ctmjr | Scurz: locate dc.txt.1 should find it |
| 16:57.03 | stew | oru_work: well that 1099/1464MB is a different problem. i'd expect more of your memory to be used. Have you have this machine booted very long? did you just kill some programs? |
| 16:57.23 | stew | oru_work: that Memory utilization should normally be near 100%, since anything unused should be used for cache |
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| 16:57.32 | stew | oru_work: but no, this should not worry you (/msg dpkg free ram) |
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| 16:57.40 | Scurz | ctmjr: you mean "*I* should" ? |
| 16:57.54 | babilen | oru_work: It is not using 627MB of memory. You have a couple of processes/threads with 13MB resident memory of which some (forgot) is shared |
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| 16:57.59 | xreal | HELP: I've overwritten my sysctl.conf ... I am damned now?? |
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| 16:58.39 | Scurz | ctmjr: because if yes, I do not find it with a "find" |
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| 16:59.26 | oru_work | babilen, do you think I should just limit the number of threads to 1 ? This is a simple bot program |
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| 16:59.58 | stew | oru_work: i don't think you should do anything, since there is no sign of a problem |
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| 17:00.02 | babilen | oru_work: Might help. But do you actaully have problems with the memory consumption? |
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| 17:00.55 | xreal | Anyone?? Help ;-( |
| 17:01.20 | oru_work | babilen, before I ran the bot it used to say 400 mb of 1500 mb free, and now it shows 1100 of 1500 is used |
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| 17:01.53 | babilen | !tell xreal -about confmiss |
| 17:02.19 | ctmjr | Scurz: you do not need anything fancy to find one file that you know the name of just "locate file name" |
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| 17:02.26 | stew | oru_work: becuase free ram is used for disk cache. you should expect that normally there is no free ram at all |
| 17:02.26 | babilen | xreal: just reinstall procps (IIRC) and make sure the config file is reinstalled |
| 17:02.35 | xreal | okay |
| 17:02.48 | stew | oru_work: can you put the output of "free" into a pastebin? |
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| 17:03.03 | babilen | xreal: You can find the package the file belongs to with 'apt-file search /path/to/file' |
| 17:03.14 | xreal | ah okay |
| 17:03.28 | babilen | xreal: it is procps IIRC |
| 17:03.31 | oru_work | stew, http://dpaste.com/137072/ |
| 17:03.48 | Scurz | ctmjr: already done, as well, file not found |
| 17:03.54 | stew | that makes no sense |
| 17:04.09 | stew | 0 swap, but ps seems to show you using swap |
| 17:04.21 | stew | i've never seen 0 cache and 0 buffers before |
| 17:04.22 | xreal | babilen: It worked. THANKS a lot |
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| 17:04.48 | babilen | xreal: The case were your system if fubar is a rare one .. |
| 17:05.03 | rgr | ctmjr: locate is often behind the times. |
| 17:05.31 | stew | oru_work: is this some kind of virtualized machine or something? |
| 17:05.36 | babilen | xreal: Might I suggest some backups? |
| 17:05.38 | stew | oru_work: what does "uname -a" say? |
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| 17:06.38 | xreal | babilen: I just have Linux reinstalled, about 30 minutes ago ... too early for a backup ;-) |
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| 17:07.41 | oru_work | stew, this is a vps account |
| 17:07.49 | ctmjr | rgr: ok tell Scurz how to find his file if my way is not right |
| 17:07.56 | abrotman | xreal: did you get the file back ? |
| 17:07.59 | abrotman | ctmjr: man find ? |
| 17:08.29 | oru_work | stew, Linux server.wtfever.net 2.6.18-128.2.1.el5.028stab064.7 #1 SMP Wed Aug 26 15:47:17 MSD 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:08.59 | xreal | abrotman: Yes ;-) |
| 17:09.56 | abrotman | Scurz: it might be easier to reget that file yourself and grep the filesystem for similar contents |
| 17:10.17 | abrotman | except it being 404 |
| 17:10.52 | abrotman | Scurz: you could also use find to look for a file modified/created around that time |
| 17:10.53 | babilen | xreal: It's never too early for backups ;-) . But seriously: Have a look at rdiff-backup and face things like this calmly in the future |
| 17:11.10 | Scurz | abrotman: how ? |
| 17:11.38 | abrotman | you can use find to look for files that have an mtime larger/smaller than a certain value |
| 17:11.38 | Scurz | (to look for a file modified/created around a time) |
| 17:11.56 | Scurz | ok, with a mtime |
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| 17:14.00 | ananthgs | @Abortman: Thanks |
| 17:14.04 | ananthgs | it worked for me |
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| 17:15.23 | abrotman | glad to hear it |
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| 17:21.26 | ctmjr | abrotman: so "find" is preferred over "locate" to locate a single file that you know the name of? |
| 17:21.46 | abrotman | ctmjr: i didn't say that .. but he also doesn't know what the name is currently |
| 17:22.05 | ananthgs | @abortman: can i get the link which says what kernel supports how much memory.... |
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| 17:22.15 | ananthgs | so that next time i would not ask such a dumb question here |
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| 17:22.24 | abrotman | ananthgs: you could look at the kernel config in /boot/ |
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| 17:22.39 | ananthgs | ok fine |
| 17:22.42 | ananthgs | let me check now |
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| 17:23.01 | bit_bucket | can anyone tell me a quick easy way to enable a normal user to mount drives in gnome? |
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| 17:23.19 | abrotman | ananthgs: grep HIGHMEM /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 17:23.35 | ananthgs | ok fine |
| 17:23.41 | abrotman | or whichever one you want to look at |
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| 17:26.30 | krushik | I've prepared usb-stick with lenny-netinst by unetbootin... How could I choose expert mode installation instead of installgui? |
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| 17:27.44 | ctmjr | abrotman: my mistake then i thought he knew |
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| 17:30.34 | abrotman | ctmjr: he knew what it was when it was downloaded .. could be anything by now |
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| 17:33.21 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
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| 17:34.59 | hagabaka | when an auto installed package A "Provides" B, and another non-auto package also "Provides" B, aptitude doesn't remove A. is that intended? |
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| 17:36.42 | ctmjr | abrotman: i scrolled back and read all his post with the pastbin i should be pay more attention to what i am reading if i am going to try and help |
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| 17:37.11 | abrotman | ctmjr: yay 20/20 hindsight |
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| 17:42.43 | JyZyXEL | @ WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED! @ |
| 17:42.45 | JyZyXEL | IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY! |
| 17:42.46 | hojda22 | There is skype and pinging that are using sound ok, and there is frozen bubble and MP3/avi players that does not make a sound. How can I fix it ? |
| 17:42.47 | JyZyXEL | Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)! |
| 17:42.49 | JyZyXEL | how do i disable this check |
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| 17:43.22 | ananthgs | @abortman: if u see the config files in the /boot/ |
| 17:43.34 | ananthgs | i have an option of changing the HIGHMEM to y |
| 17:43.39 | ananthgs | for the 64G |
| 17:43.46 | ananthgs | after doing it... |
| 17:43.50 | babilen | JyZyXEL: remove the old key (ssh-keygen -R IP/hostname) and accept the new one. And check why the key has changed |
| 17:43.51 | ananthgs | do i need to do anything else? |
| 17:44.02 | babilen | JyZyXEL: There is also no need to paste this in here |
| 17:44.02 | ananthgs | this is just for curiosity to learn more |
| 17:44.24 | ananthgs | or is the inability of the debian kernel 486? |
| 17:44.28 | JyZyXEL | no i just wanna pass the whole check |
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| 17:44.50 | JyZyXEL | cause i booted the machine to a livecd so ovbiosly its gonna have some different keys |
| 17:44.58 | babilen | JyZyXEL: why? |
| 17:45.13 | JyZyXEL | why what |
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| 17:46.28 | babilen | JyZyXEL: disable StrictHostKeyChecking but i don't see why this is easier than removing the old key ... |
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| 17:47.06 | JyZyXEL | babilen: cause then i gotta remove it again when i boot to the original system |
| 17:47.12 | abrotman | ananthgs: if it's enabled (and my nick is abrotman) |
| 17:47.13 | JyZyXEL | so its just a fucking pain in the ass |
| 17:47.43 | ananthgs | @abrotman: ha ha sorry |
| 17:47.54 | ananthgs | i ll see ur nick properly next time ;) |
| 17:47.56 | abrotman | and using @ isn't a great idea .. a bot in here reacts to @ |
| 17:48.13 | babilen | JyZyXEL: No - this is a very important part of SSH security. It would be bad if this would be handled in any other way |
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| 17:49.32 | ananthgs | ok fine..so if i give these two.. |
| 17:49.34 | ananthgs | CONFIG_HIGHMEM4G=y |
| 17:49.34 | ananthgs | CONFIG_HIGHMEM=y |
| 17:49.41 | abrotman | those are enabled |
| 17:49.41 | ananthgs | it has 2 work fine right? |
| 17:49.44 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:49.44 | xreal | What's the basic tool behind iotop? |
| 17:49.48 | ananthgs | i did it now |
| 17:49.52 | ananthgs | and it were not enabled |
| 17:49.58 | abrotman | ananthgs: changing that file does nothing |
| 17:50.01 | ananthgs | ya |
| 17:50.06 | ananthgs | thats what i needed |
| 17:50.15 | abrotman | the -686 kernel has what you need |
| 17:50.22 | ananthgs | so i need to do it while compiling the kernel??? |
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| 17:50.24 | ananthgs | ya i got it |
| 17:50.26 | JyZyXEL | ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking foo@bar |
| 17:50.29 | JyZyXEL | command-line line 0: Missing yes/no/ask argument. |
| 17:50.34 | Titan8990 | abrotman, no, i think he needs bigmem-686 |
| 17:50.43 | JyZyXEL | wtf is a yes/no/ask argument?! |
| 17:50.48 | joshritger | how do I make a shortcut to the root terminal? |
| 17:50.59 | ananthgs | @Titan: Nope it is working for me with -686 kernel |
| 17:51.02 | ananthgs | thanks all |
| 17:51.05 | ananthgs | bye |
| 17:51.05 | babilen | JyZyXEL: ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no foo@bar - and read the manpage |
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| 17:51.08 | abrotman | Titan8990: no, he doesn't |
| 17:51.15 | abrotman | Titan8990: he only has 2GB of RAM |
| 17:51.20 | JyZyXEL | babilen: i did read the manpage |
| 17:51.23 | JyZyXEL | and it didn't have that |
| 17:51.23 | Titan8990 | abrotman, ah, I missed the beginning |
| 17:51.27 | babilen | JyZyXEL: I still don't get why you don't remove the old (invalid) key |
| 17:51.42 | abrotman | he didn't read the man page |
| 17:51.48 | JyZyXEL | i fucking read the manpage |
| 17:52.00 | abrotman | i've heard that before .. |
| 17:52.01 | JyZyXEL | do i need to paste it here so you believe it didn't have that part |
| 17:52.05 | JyZyXEL | ok i will |
| 17:52.10 | xreal | Does anyone know the location of "iotop.py" in Debian? |
| 17:52.12 | abrotman | pasting is not the same as reading |
| 17:52.16 | abrotman | !tell xreal about apt-file |
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| 17:52.29 | nkuttler | xreal: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:52.33 | Titan8990 | xreal, command do not have file extensions |
| 17:52.39 | xreal | thx |
| 17:52.59 | Titan8990 | xreal, `which iotop`; `apt-file search iotop`; |
| 17:53.19 | JyZyXEL | manpage says "-o option" and then it lists all the options |
| 17:53.25 | abrotman | dpkg: find iotop.py lenny |
| 17:53.33 | joshritger | how can I create a shortcut to run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade and have it run in a root terminal? |
| 17:53.49 | Titan8990 | abrotman, it doesn't have a .py extension... because its customary that commands/executables don't have them |
| 17:54.09 | abrotman | Titan8990: i assumed he was looking for some python script of a similar name |
| 17:54.17 | xreal | ./usr/bin/iotop links to a Python-script anywhere ... |
| 17:54.18 | xuser | when you use a usb-to-serial cable, what device does debian normally uses? |
| 17:54.39 | JyZyXEL | babilen: it still says the error |
| 17:54.44 | Titan8990 | xreal, it doesn't link to anything, that is the python script |
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| 17:54.47 | babilen | JyZyXEL: remove the key |
| 17:54.50 | xreal | There it is: /usr/share/python-support/iotop/iotop/ |
| 17:54.57 | xreal | Titan8990: No, looks inside ;-) |
| 17:55.00 | xreal | look* |
| 17:55.07 | JyZyXEL | babilen: how? |
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| 17:55.13 | babilen | JyZyXEL: I already told you |
| 17:55.24 | xreal | Titan8990: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/159193/ |
| 17:55.27 | babilen | JyZyXEL: ssh-keygen -R IP/hostname |
| 17:55.28 | JyZyXEL | rm ~/.ssh/known_hosts ? |
| 17:55.44 | babilen | JyZyXEL: that would remove *all* known keys |
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| 17:56.08 | babilen | JyZyXEL: And read the documentation. |
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| 17:56.28 | JyZyXEL | the ssh-keygen -R was a cool trick |
| 17:56.32 | Titan8990 | xreal, it seems ui.py was the file you were looking for? |
| 17:56.49 | JyZyXEL | i wish the error message would tell this |
| 17:56.49 | xreal | Titan8990: Yes. Thanks for help! |
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| 17:57.11 | JyZyXEL | its already like a 10 line error message and then it doesn't even have the most important thing |
| 17:57.49 | JyZyXEL | or maybe it should just ask "do you wanna replace the old key with this?" |
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| 17:58.25 | babilen | JyZyXEL: Why not replace the key silently - much more convenient! |
| 17:58.42 | abrotman | that way anyone can change the key and you'll never know! |
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| 17:59.03 | babilen | </irony> |
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| 18:00.41 | babilen | JyZyXEL: Keys are not supposed to change. Changed keys are usually the symptom of serious problems and are treated that way. It might be inconvenient in your particular situation, but I would not want ssh to behave differently |
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| 18:01.44 | virtualint | hi guys |
| 18:01.46 | virtualint | how r u |
| 18:02.35 | paradoxmonkey | My filesystem needs to be ro, but I get "Unable to change tty /dev/tty1: read-only file system". How do I fix this? |
| 18:02.58 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey, which filesystem? all of it? |
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| 18:03.06 | virtualint | how can i disable a php extension on debian |
| 18:03.18 | stew | virtualint: which? |
| 18:03.22 | Titan8990 | virtualint, from apache? |
| 18:03.24 | virtualint | i mean i couldnt seen any extension=gettext.so or sth like that |
| 18:03.34 | virtualint | yes |
| 18:03.40 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: the root fs, ext2 |
| 18:04.12 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey, someone may say otherwise but I doubt that is possible. the system has to be able to atleast write to /var /sys /dev/ and /proc |
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| 18:04.50 | virtualint | i just see extensions' ini files in conf.d |
| 18:05.16 | virtualint | but i dont know how to disable a php extension, i will be glad if someone can help, besides i am new to debian |
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| 18:05.38 | babilen | virtualint: a2dismod |
| 18:05.42 | JyZyXEL | babilen: they are hardly ever symptom of a serious problem |
| 18:05.51 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: well /tmp, /var/tmp, /var/log, /var/run and /var/lock are mounted with tmpfs... |
| 18:05.58 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL, what is a valid reason for the key to change? |
| 18:06.09 | JyZyXEL | when you reinstall OS |
| 18:06.13 | JyZyXEL | boot to another OS |
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| 18:06.28 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL, how common is it for me to reinstall the OS on a server? |
| 18:06.38 | Titan8990 | or anything really |
| 18:06.39 | JyZyXEL | who said anything about a server |
| 18:06.41 | virtualint | babilen, i guess it is for disabling an apache module |
| 18:06.51 | JyZyXEL | on a desktop its very common |
| 18:07.04 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL, what is the need? |
| 18:07.29 | JyZyXEL | cause a bleeding edge linux desktop is constantly in a chaotic state |
| 18:07.38 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL, very common in windows, yes, but I don't see any reason for it to be necessary in debian |
| 18:07.47 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL, debian is not a bleeding edge distro |
| 18:07.54 | JyZyXEL | yea well it can be |
| 18:07.58 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: or perhaps I should mount the entire /var in tmpfs |
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| 18:08.29 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL, you mean when you run software intended for testing? |
| 18:08.43 | babilen | virtualint: yes - is that not what you wanted? |
| 18:08.48 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey, I was thinking... all the dirs i listed |
| 18:08.51 | virtualint | no babilen |
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| 18:08.57 | virtualint | thanks for the answer |
| 18:09.01 | JyZyXEL | yea and its still not as good as windows xp |
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| 18:09.15 | virtualint | but i want to disable gettext extension of php |
| 18:09.19 | babilen | virtualint: sorry, i must have misread that |
| 18:09.23 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL, suffer from SNS syndrome? |
| 18:09.29 | JyZyXEL | whats that |
| 18:09.31 | JyZyXEL | !SNS |
| 18:09.31 | dpkg | well, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 18:10.23 | Titan8990 | virtualint, /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 18:10.25 | JyZyXEL | no im just performance hungry |
| 18:10.57 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: fair enough I will try that |
| 18:10.58 | virtualint | i havent seen any extension=gettext.so in ini file Titan8990 |
| 18:11.23 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL, sounds like you have yet to discover gentoo, which sounds ideal for what your looking for in a distro |
| 18:11.47 | oru_work | stew, i'm back, so what do you think about my memory situation |
| 18:11.48 | Titan8990 | virtualint, ask ##php |
| 18:12.11 | virtualint | Titan8990, but this is not related to php |
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| 18:12.21 | virtualint | anyway thanks for the answer |
| 18:12.25 | stew | oru_work: i think you need to ask the server admin, the unix tools aren't telling you the entire picture |
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| 18:12.53 | stew | oru_work: the different tools are giving you different answers about stuff |
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| 18:13.23 | stew | oru_work: so there is no real way to know how much of your memory you are actually using, or when it is going to become a problem |
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| 18:14.43 | oru_work | stew, I'm thinking is it because of the type of the VPS account? It comes with all these venets http://dpaste.com/137100/ |
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| 18:20.52 | oru_work | is there a way to disable these venets ? |
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| 18:21.08 | oru_work | or that is actually not the issue |
| 18:21.13 | stew | oru_work: what issue? |
| 18:21.20 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: well it didn't work. my fstab http://pastie.org/754684 |
| 18:21.23 | stew | oru_work: you should ask the administrator |
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| 18:21.29 | JyZyXEL | Titan8990: why exactly would it be any better? |
| 18:21.52 | oru_work | stew, which administrator ? |
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| 18:22.02 | stew | oru_work: the administrator of that machine |
| 18:22.17 | oru_work | can i just disable them myself ? |
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| 18:22.42 | stew | oru_work: disable what? the network interfaces? |
| 18:23.00 | oru_work | yes |
| 18:23.08 | stew | oru_work: why do you want to do that? |
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| 18:23.24 | stew | oru_work: you don't want the machine on the interenet? |
| 18:23.25 | re__ | is there a way to tell aptitude to only upgrade a particular package instead of everything? I'm pulling a package from backports.org and want to update it, but aptitude also wants to upgrade other packages that i've install from the debian repos to their backport counterparts |
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| 18:23.52 | oru_work | stew, i'm just trying to find a solution why a simple program would take so much memory which doesn't make sense to me |
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| 18:24.51 | stew | oru_work: becuase java tends to, for performance, start allocating towards the vm limit before doing heavy garbage collection. this can be easily limited in cases where the java program doesn't actually need to use all of this memory |
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| 18:25.00 | stew | oru_work: this has nothing to do with your ethernet connections |
| 18:25.23 | oru_work | stew, oh i see :) |
| 18:25.40 | oru_work | stew, any hint on how I can adjust java ? |
| 18:25.41 | wedge | stew: doesnt java keep some free pages for optimal performance though? |
| 18:25.55 | wedge | oru_work: set higher mem for the JVM |
| 18:26.00 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL, your using a distro that is designed for stability and to an extent, ease of use |
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| 18:26.08 | stew | wedge: setting higher mem for the jvm isn't going to make it use less memory |
| 18:26.10 | stew | wedge: and yes |
| 18:26.18 | wedge | stew: oh I read the question wrong |
| 18:26.19 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL, gentoo is all about bleeding-edge software, performance, and customization |
| 18:26.23 | stew | oru_work: since it is only using 13mb of resident memory, it shouldn't be a problem. most of the memory that java is using is swapped. the question is how much of your available swap are you using |
| 18:26.44 | wedge | stew: well, he could set bigger virtual mem but limit physical mem and have it swap more I guess? :P |
| 18:26.45 | Titan8990 | JyZyXEL, you would no longer be trying to put a puzzle piece somewhere it doesn't fit |
| 18:27.00 | stew | wedge: to accomplish what? |
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| 18:27.52 | re__ | anyone? |
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| 18:28.01 | mdeonte | !dmm |
| 18:28.02 | dpkg | i guess dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <dmm lenny> <dmm etch> <dmm squeeze>. |
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| 18:28.06 | stew | mdeonte: please /msg the bot |
| 18:28.08 | oru_work | stew, yes i believe that the java program that i'm running doesn't need to use so much memory |
| 18:28.10 | mdeonte | !dmm leny |
| 18:28.16 | mdeonte | !dmm lenny |
| 18:28.16 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update. For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. |
| 18:28.17 | valdyn | re__: there is instructions at backports.org |
| 18:28.23 | abrotman | mdeonte: msg the bot |
| 18:28.26 | stew | !tell mdeonte about botmsg |
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| 18:29.03 | re__ | valdyn: for installing or updating? I've already looked there and I see instructions for installing, but not for updating a single package. unless I missed it somewhere? |
| 18:29.15 | stew | oru_work: then feel free to limit it. though, like I said, it doesn't appear to be causing a problem, especially since most of that is swapped |
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| 18:29.34 | valdyn | re__: i understand you only want to use one specific package from backports.org |
| 18:29.45 | paradoxmonkey | I mounted /var as tmpfs but now I can't start the system. What should be mounted to have a read-only fs? |
| 18:29.50 | oru_work | stew, can you please tell me how to limit it ? |
| 18:29.51 | valdyn | re__: that is what those instructions are for |
| 18:29.51 | cire | anyone running opera? When starting opera via kde (ALT+F2 "opera") plugins cannot be found, when starting from soncole everything works perfectly... |
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| 18:30.01 | cire | s/soncole/console/ |
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| 18:31.15 | stew | oru_work: sure, like I said before, you can add -Xmx256M to the java command line to limit it to 256 mb |
| 18:31.17 | abrotman | cire: there is a #opera on irc.opera.com if that helps |
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| 18:31.23 | mdeonte | stew: leave me alone. |
| 18:31.40 | abrotman | mdeonte: don't flood the channel, msg the bot |
| 18:31.47 | mdeonte | abrotman: Okay. |
| 18:31.57 | Melior | I used fusermount to mount a couple of uncompressed rar files. And now i got a image file. When i try to mount this i get permission denied. Is it possible in any way to mount this? |
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| 18:32.23 | valdyn | Melior: be in the fuse group |
| 18:32.40 | jimcooncat | Melior: check perms on the file |
| 18:33.11 | Melior | Trying by root. Can't change permissions. They are read only... |
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| 18:33.42 | cire | abrotman: I will ask there. |
| 18:33.46 | DjMadness_ | I seam to be having an issue with my libavcodec's... vlc complains about the following "It seems your FFMPEG (libavcodec) installation lacks the following encoder: MPEG-2 Video" anyone that might know the solution to this ? |
| 18:33.59 | valdyn | !vlc |
| 18:34.00 | dpkg | [vlc] VLC media player, a free software multimedia player developed by the VideoLAN project, packaged for Debian. For DVD support, ask me about <dvd playback>. Embedded video is buggy in 0.9.x, see http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=51124 and VLC ticket #2136; resolved as of version 1.0.0. http://www.videolan.org/support/faq.html #videolan on irc.videolan.org. |
| 18:34.13 | valdyn | DjMadness_: dmm breaks vlc |
| 18:34.35 | oru_work | stew, this is the command i use in run.sh to execute my java program http://dpaste.com/137105/ not sure where -Xmx256M should go to |
| 18:34.54 | valdyn | DjMadness_: are you using dmm? |
| 18:35.00 | stew | oru_work: for instance, it coudl go between java and -classpath |
| 18:35.10 | Melior | jimcooncat: any idea? |
| 18:35.16 | DjMadness_ | as fare as i know i am not... all i did was install vlc-nox to do some basic streaming |
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| 18:35.44 | valdyn | DjMadness_: "aptitude install ffmpeg" gives what? |
| 18:36.11 | oru_work | stew, ok let me try it, so you really think -Xmx256M is a good amount of memory for my program ? |
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| 18:36.54 | stew | oru_work: I don't think it much matters. you can lower it until the logbot starts throwing OutOfMemoryException |
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| 18:36.58 | Melior | what would you guys recommend to rip subtitles from dvd? cli only |
| 18:37.08 | jimcooncat | Melior: guessing that attr will help -- sorry I got busy real quick |
| 18:37.22 | DjMadness_ | valdyn: nothing besides the useual reading, building, reading, etc. |
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| 18:37.49 | Melior | !attr |
| 18:38.01 | valdyn | DjMadness_: was that already installed? |
| 18:38.07 | DjMadness_ | valdyn: yes |
| 18:38.20 | valdyn | DjMadness_: where is your vlc from? |
| 18:38.38 | valdyn | DjMadness_: wich debian release is this? |
| 18:38.40 | DjMadness_ | valdyn: from the default apt sources |
| 18:38.46 | Melior | jimcooncat: ok. what is attr? |
| 18:39.40 | DjMadness_ | valdyn: testing |
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| 18:45.08 | oru_work | stew, i actually set it to -Xmx16M :) |
| 18:45.36 | oru_work | stew, what do you think of that ? |
| 18:45.38 | stew | oru_work: that seems quite low. 15 years ago the default was 64 even |
| 18:45.46 | abrotman | java is a hog! |
| 18:45.50 | abrotman | runs away |
| 18:45.54 | joshritger | I am running lenny on an old laptop, is there anything that I need to install to get the laptop's fans to work? since I have had lenny on it I haven't heard teh fans run at all |
| 18:46.11 | valdyn | joshritger: why is that a problem? |
| 18:46.20 | stew | oru_work: you are gaining a small amount of swap back at the risk of having your logbot crash |
| 18:46.28 | oru_work | stew, but its still eating up like 200 mb , i am wondering why I need all these threads / instances for a simple program like that |
| 18:46.30 | joshritger | valdyn: it is an old laptop and gets kinda warm |
| 18:46.37 | greycat | If the fans require software control, I'd be worried. |
| 18:46.40 | stew | oru_work: i'd find out how much of your available swap you are using, I'd imaging you are solving a problem which isn't a problem at al |
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| 18:47.06 | Titan8990 | greycat, I believe the acpi module and utilities handle all of that |
| 18:47.21 | Titan8990 | fan speeds can be throttled to save power and reduce noise |
| 18:47.41 | joshritger | I dont know if they need software control, I just know I haven't heard them run at all under linux, never really pushed the laptop though |
| 18:47.44 | icebrain | Titan8990: they can, but it software control shouldn't be *required* |
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| 18:48.06 | valdyn | joshritger: install lm-sensors |
| 18:48.12 | joshritger | usually in windows it would come on for about a min every so often to cool it down |
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| 18:48.26 | valdyn | joshritger: that way you can probably watch the temperatures |
| 18:48.31 | oru_work | stew, I imaging something like logbot only needs one instance, and instead its opening up 11 of them |
| 18:48.33 | valdyn | joshritger: < 50 is defenitely np |
| 18:49.26 | stew | oru_work: it doesn't appear to be opening more than one instance |
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| 18:49.44 | Titan8990 | icebrain, right... acpi=off |
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| 18:49.55 | joshritger | valdyn: would a laptop from around 2001 work with that? |
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| 18:51.35 | DjMadness_ | valdyn: testing/squeeze would be more correct of version, fully up to date |
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| 18:53.09 | valdyn | joshritger: sure |
| 18:53.10 | joshritger | valdyn: the only temp I get is 68 C |
| 18:53.26 | valdyn | joshritger: thats probably high, probably not |
| 18:53.33 | valdyn | joshritger: i suppose fans should be on though |
| 18:53.43 | valdyn | joshritger: older macbooks get to 80 with fan on |
| 18:54.01 | joshritger | Maybe I messed something up in the bios? This is an old gateway solo 1450 circa 2002 |
| 18:54.26 | valdyn | joshritger: crap laptops that need software control for the fan do exist.. |
| 18:54.35 | joshritger | ok |
| 18:54.52 | valdyn | joshritger: should try google, i suggest. |
| 18:54.57 | joshritger | Is there anything available to control fans in debian |
| 18:55.14 | valdyn | joshritger: various, but every brand is different.. |
| 18:55.19 | joshritger | ok |
| 18:56.38 | icebrain | shouldn't the fans be listed in /proc/acpi/fan ? |
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| 18:59.14 | joshritger | icebrain: in that directory I get 2 fans, both as off, maybe I will try turning them on |
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| 19:02.01 | joshritger | can anyone tell me what the fan status should be to turn the fan on? |
| 19:02.17 | joshritger | is it just on, or a diff abreviation? |
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| 19:03.48 | icebrain | sorry, I'm not sure, but I think it's "0" |
| 19:04.06 | icebrain | at least, that's what I've read, including from http://www.speakeasy.org/~lbijlsma/gateway_1450/ |
| 19:04.38 | icebrain | he uses "echo -n 0 >/proc/acpi/fan/FAN0/state" |
| 19:05.29 | joshritger | ok, I was looking at the same link, but don't know how to do anything that he was talking about, I am too new |
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| 19:08.52 | SparFux | Aha, now my ifupdown config becomes somewhat structured. |
| 19:09.12 | joshritger | icebrain: once I make changes to those files, any idea how to invoke those changes without a restart |
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| 19:11.52 | icebrain | joshritger: well, he echo's "3" to make them off again, but as I said, I don't have any personal experience |
| 19:12.39 | joshritger | ok |
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| 19:13.03 | joshritger | I will see about adding a chron job like he did |
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| 19:13.16 | mdeonte | the sound on Debian is better than Ubuntu |
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| 19:13.30 | SparFux | mdeonte: really? That's funny. |
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| 19:14.21 | mdeonte | SparFux: Yep. |
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| 19:14.39 | mdeonte | SparFux: more like souround sound |
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| 19:28.25 | SparFux | Yeah! My if-up.d scripts get more and more better. |
| 19:28.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | betterer and betterer? |
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| 19:28.57 | SparFux | Yep :-) |
| 19:29.20 | SparFux | The question is how to make them general and package them. Right now they are quite specifically designed for my purposes. |
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| 19:29.54 | greycat | why would you ever think an if-up script is reusable? |
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| 19:30.25 | mdeonte | yeah |
| 19:30.35 | mdeonte | sound sounds better |
| 19:30.37 | mdeonte | def |
| 19:31.05 | mdeonte | later |
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| 19:31.42 | SparFux | greycat: it's not the script itself, it's the basic design. Like in which script would I define what. |
| 19:32.44 | SparFux | greycat: the main purpose of it all is to have an easy way to start the script and to be independant of where I plug which network. guessnet should detect the network and set everything up without the need to care about what interface is used. |
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| 19:34.25 | SparFux | greycat: at least for me it was a hard time to think about everything. And I still don't have a proper solution for forwarding config. I mean, forwarding firewall should only be set up for LAN devices which specify something like option firewall forward-internet or whatever. |
| 19:34.47 | LordVorp | where's a/the howto for building a package from *.dsc/diff.gz/orig.tar.gz ? |
| 19:35.38 | babilen | LordVorp: the new maintainers guide, debian policy and developer reference should get you started ;-) |
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| 19:36.01 | LordVorp | meaning, RTFM? I'm wondering which page of the FM to R. :) |
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| 19:36.05 | greycat | I won't even ask why you'd want IP forwarding on a portable machine. |
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| 19:37.45 | babilen | LordVorp: You can build a package with dkpkg-buildpackage, pbuilder, cowbuilder (inter alia) |
| 19:38.02 | babilen | LordVorp: And i guess you are looking for #debian-mentors@oftc |
| 19:38.11 | SparFux | greycat: because I use this machine at home with home lan and at my gf's house in her lan? Actually I don't, she does not have such a big lan and has her own router, but it MAY be a lan I have to route? :-) |
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| 19:38.31 | SparFux | greycat: it's not a portable machine, but I transport it every once in a while anyway. |
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| 19:39.51 | Titan8990 | SparFux, you would only need IP forwarding if you planned to share your connection (two interfaces) with another box or if you intended to replace her router with your machine |
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| 19:40.54 | SparFux | Titan8990: Yes. It's more like sports for me. I want a setup where I can flexibly ifup and ifdown interfaces, flexibly decide on where to put what firewall and where to route what. |
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| 19:44.10 | SparFux | Titan8990: and if there is the lan to ifup AND the lan has option in network/interfaces "firewall internet-forward" then there should be forwarding set up for this lan, but ONLY if one of the internet connections is up. |
| 19:44.33 | Titan8990 | SparFux, that doesn't do what you think it does |
| 19:44.44 | SparFux | Titan8990: What do you mean? |
| 19:44.53 | Titan8990 | SparFux, that sort of turns your box into a router, its not required at all for routing |
| 19:45.08 | Titan8990 | SparFux, only if other boxes will use your machine as their gateway to the internet |
| 19:45.32 | SparFux | Titan8990: Yes, I know. I don't actually do need my box as router, but I might and I want to be able to set it up. |
| 19:46.54 | Titan8990 | SparFux, echo '1' > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
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| 19:47.03 | SparFux | Titan8990: Let's say I have a LAN on eth1 and the internet on eth0, then I want to be able to specify wether the LAN should be masquerared, with one option. But the masquerading should only take place if the lan is ifupped AND the internet connection is on, or if the internet connection is ifupped AND the lan is on already. |
| 19:47.06 | Titan8990 | SparFux, then setup your iptables NAT rules appropriatly |
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| 19:47.43 | SparFux | Titan8990: I have this setup already, but I want ifupdown to automatically put the rules in with the proper device names as soon as LAN device AND internet connection device is up. |
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| 19:48.56 | Titan8990 | SparFux, your setup is pretty obscure but check out to pre-up, port-up, pre-down, and post-down options for interfaces configuration |
| 19:49.01 | SparFux | Titan8990: You know what I mean? Like i have to grep in /etc/netowrk/run/ifstate to see wether one of the internet devices is up and wether one of the LAN devices is up, or being upped. |
| 19:49.10 | LordVorp | so I just installed fakeroot, and i'm trying to build a package, and i'm getting: can't exec "fakeroot": no such file... and dpkg -L fakeroot has no bin/fakeroot executable. ??? |
| 19:49.23 | SparFux | Titan8990: Yes, I am working on that. I use if-up.d and if-down.d scripts :-) |
| 19:50.04 | abrotman | LordVorp: it should have setup /etc/alternatives/fakeroot ? |
| 19:50.13 | SparFux | Titan8990: I really only have one internet connection, at home it is pppoe and at my gf's house it's a router, but just for fun I am creating this setup for routing multiple LANs (which I don't have :-)) |
| 19:50.54 | LordVorp | abrotman: that's installed, but there's no corresponding /usr/bin/fakeroot -> /etc/alternatives/fakeroot. should I reconfigure? |
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| 19:51.21 | abrotman | LordVorp: grep alternatives /var/lib/dpkg/info/fakeroot.postinst |
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| 19:51.40 | kanzure | are double-sided dvds supposed to work? i turn mine upside down and i just get a drive trying to read it and failing |
| 19:51.52 | LordVorp | abrotman: that's in that file but it looks like it didn't run. hmm |
| 19:52.01 | kanzure | hi abrotman |
| 19:52.03 | kanzure | nice to see you around |
| 19:52.03 | abrotman | hiya |
| 19:52.14 | abrotman | smells sarcasm ? |
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| 19:52.24 | kanzure | abrotman: no sarcasm.. you've helped me a lot in the past :) |
| 19:52.32 | abrotman | LordVorp: you can try to dpkg-reconfigure fakeroot or run the script directly |
| 19:52.53 | abrotman | kanzure: you sure that the other side has something on it ? (verified in another OS/machine) |
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| 19:53.07 | kanzure | abrotman: no i'm not sure actually |
| 19:53.11 | SparFux | Titan8990: hm... perhaps my demands are too high. If the LAN is upped and internet is not available, I would have to queue the LAN to be routed to the next internet connection going up. That's quite complicated. |
| 19:53.12 | valdyn | double sided dvd can exist? |
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| 19:53.25 | kanzure | valdyn: well it was bought at a store |
| 19:53.28 | kanzure | i don't know why i bought this |
| 19:53.43 | valdyn | kanzure: maybe you are thinking that Dual Layer means double sided |
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| 19:53.57 | kanzure | valdyn: this is supposed to already have data on it |
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| 19:54.56 | kanzure | i can't seem to mount it though |
| 19:54.57 | kanzure | hm |
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| 19:55.53 | valdyn | kanzure: "more /dev/dvd" if you get characters then data is being read |
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| 19:58.28 | pozic_ | Is there any software except games on Windows for which there are no replacements on *nix style systems? |
| 19:58.45 | JPT | hmm |
| 19:58.46 | cast | sure |
| 19:58.52 | abrotman | pozic_: depends on to what level you might say use something like photoshop or autocad |
| 19:59.10 | JPT | special software for doctors... |
| 19:59.17 | greycat | Screen-readers for the blind. |
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| 19:59.28 | kanzure | valdyn: ok seems like it doesn't have anything on it |
| 19:59.32 | abrotman | greycat: those exist on linux |
| 19:59.33 | kanzure | valdyn: thanks. this sucks. :/ |
| 19:59.58 | JPT | if in doubt, just check all your software |
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| 20:00.21 | pozic_ | The "special software for doctors" cannot be that special. Probably the issue there is just that the users are locked in to a single vendor. |
| 20:00.42 | pozic_ | I think Photoshop already runs via Crossover. |
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| 20:01.18 | pozic_ | And AutoDesk has already released lots of their stuff for Linux. I would not be surprised to see Autocad supporting Linux within a few years. |
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| 20:01.43 | babilen | pozic_: Do you have anything in mind? I am sure that you will not find a registry editor on Linux for example, and the list is probably huge |
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| 20:02.40 | babilen | pozic_: or actually i am not sure about the registry editor ... but you get the idea |
| 20:02.44 | pozic_ | babilen: there already is. |
| 20:02.59 | pozic_ | babilen: regedit.exe has been ported to wine. |
| 20:03.27 | cast | lots of little things have proprietary software that doesn't run on debian. like a digital photoframe i have [lord knows why], or bigger apps like itunes, |
| 20:03.57 | paradoxmonkey | To have a read only fs do I only need to mount /var as tmpfs? |
| 20:04.16 | cast | paradoxmonkey: no...add the ro option |
| 20:04.26 | pozic_ | cast: yes, but I suppose that hooks into some kernel stuff. |
| 20:05.03 | pozic_ | cast: it is of course an example, but these days actually useful stuff tends to work on Linux, which is great. |
| 20:05.39 | paradoxmonkey | cast: I know but /var needs to be writable, right? |
| 20:05.48 | abrotman | pozic_: crossover doesn't count |
| 20:05.56 | cast | i quit using windows 7 years ago, so it's quite evident one can function without it :) [and got me a decent job too as a consequence!] |
| 20:05.56 | pozic_ | Decoding Autocad files used to be "impossible". Now there are a few libraries to do that. |
| 20:06.10 | abrotman | decoding for what purpose? reading or editing ? |
| 20:06.35 | pozic_ | abrotman: reading at least. I don't know about writing. |
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| 20:06.46 | abrotman | i'd say if it's not a format that can be edited/created on both OSes .. it's locked in |
| 20:07.08 | pozic_ | abrotman: I agree completely. You are stupid if you use a non-documented format. |
| 20:07.22 | AimHere | I'd go further and say if it can't be edited/created on multiple applications, or one open source app, it's locked in |
| 20:07.24 | abrotman | like the autocad |
| 20:07.24 | greycat | does a double take and realizes it's "I quit using windows, 7 years ago" not "I quit using (windows 7) years ago" |
| 20:07.32 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:07.44 | pozic_ | greycat: that was my first parsing too. |
| 20:07.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | greycat, thanks for clarifying it :-P |
| 20:08.04 | icebrain | according to Wiki, autocad file format is based on an ISO |
| 20:08.13 | abrotman | icebrain: based on .. thanks |
| 20:08.14 | cast | every now and again i wonder if it doesn't suck anymore, but then it's still proprietary so not an option! |
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| 20:09.01 | icebrain | and it also says Blender can read them |
| 20:09.15 | abrotman | icebrain: FWIW .. MS bases lots of their stuff on standards too |
| 20:09.47 | icebrain | abrotman: sure, I don't know how different it is from the ISO |
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| 20:10.48 | pozic_ | What they typically do is encrypt it in one way or the other. |
| 20:11.14 | pozic_ | The key is of course in the application somewhere, but there are ways to complicate that too, which they have done without doubt. |
| 20:11.31 | cast | though, basing something on a standard and producing something according to a standard are miles apart |
| 20:11.34 | pozic_ | The only way to reverse-engineer the key is to use run-time information. |
| 20:12.03 | pozic_ | In the worst case, you have to write your own debugger, since they even implement stuff that crashes debuggers. |
| 20:12.47 | pozic_ | I don't know for a fact that Autocad does this, but I have heard they use a lot of ways to discourage people to poke around. |
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| 20:13.15 | icebrain | sorry: it seems the ISO is just a "packaging" format, not the actual implementation |
| 20:13.32 | fidin | is there any real diff between a directory owned by 'www-data:root' and 'www-data:www-data'? |
| 20:13.53 | abrotman | yes, the group ownership |
| 20:13.53 | babilen | fidin: yes, the group ownership |
| 20:14.15 | babilen | :-D |
| 20:14.17 | fidin | right but i mean is there any practical difference if root is the group rather than the owner |
| 20:14.26 | abrotman | fidin: there can be |
| 20:14.48 | valdyn | fidin: depends on the actual permission flags set |
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| 20:14.52 | jimcooncat | fidin: it depends on the individual permissions of the files and directories |
| 20:14.53 | AimHere | If any users have the www-data group set, or if you have any suid executables |
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| 20:14.56 | greycat | It only matters if the dir is group-writable. |
| 20:15.07 | greycat | (Or generally, if the groups perms are different from the "other" perms.) |
| 20:15.48 | AimHere | s/suid/setgid/ |
| 20:16.00 | fidin | the reason i ask if i have 2 different howto's on setting up Trac in debian and one says to 'chown -R www-data /home/trac' and the other says 'chown -R www-data:www-data /home/trac' and i'm not sure which to use |
| 20:16.20 | jimcooncat | fidin: I'd be surprised if it actually does make a difference, as it looks like data for a web server to host |
| 20:16.22 | greycat | It probably doesn't matter. The second one looks more reasonable. |
| 20:16.42 | fidin | ok |
| 20:16.44 | AimHere | The second one is probably slightly more secure, in a few rare marginal cases |
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| 20:17.37 | cast | AimHere: or potentially less secure |
| 20:17.46 | jimcooncat | I know for some web servers (like thttpd) all files have to be world-readable |
| 20:21.26 | sphenxes | I have 3 partitions and a 64 GB empty space on my hard drive. I am using gparted to change the partition size. I can only resize the third and last partition (using the free space). But i need to change the size of the second partition ( i can't increase the size of it). any suggestion please? |
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| 20:22.36 | abrotman | you probably have to move the third partition |
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| 20:23.20 | sphenxes | abrtoman, should I move the the third partition to the right |
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| 20:23.44 | abrotman | if you have a backup, you can attempt this |
| 20:23.59 | sphenxes | yes i have. thanks |
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| 20:29.53 | epochwolf2 | I installed a "new" video card (NVIDIA with 32mb ram) into an old ibm machine and suddenly my LCD is flicker when X is running. It was fine with the integrated video card. |
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| 20:30.18 | epochwolf2 | Do I need to reconfigure a package or something? |
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| 20:31.39 | LordVorp | epochwolf2: that will probably be the refresh rate |
| 20:31.53 | epochwolf2 | How do I fix that? |
| 20:32.20 | epochwolf2 | I don't have gnome installed. |
| 20:32.22 | abrotman | xrandr perhaps |
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| 20:53.02 | jimcooncat | something like "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg" I'm not sure I think? |
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| 21:01.16 | SparFux | Hi! With guessnet I get this error when using gateway option. What do I do wrong? http://pastebin.com/f6a0c8a4d |
| 21:01.24 | SparFux | My config is at http://pastebin.com/f4fbac46c |
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| 21:01.52 | eagles0513875 | him here |
| 21:02.06 | eagles0513875 | hehe |
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| 21:05.09 | SparFux | who is him? |
| 21:06.21 | becks` | hi, i have a process that constantly writes in a logfile, is there a way to empty this file to free up space? when i do a "echo > bla.log", it still has 200 megs |
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| 21:07.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | SparFux, a band! |
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| 21:08.43 | SparFux | becks`: cat /dev/null > bla.log |
| 21:09.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | becks`, let logrotate do it for you regularily? ... you can see how things are handled for other logs in /etc/logrotate.d/* |
| 21:09.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | SparFux, that's not qualitatively different from echo >bla.log |
| 21:09.45 | xyan | becks`: just "> bla.log" which zero bytes it |
| 21:10.17 | becks` | thank you guys :) i cat'ed /dev/null to the file and it perfectly works |
| 21:10.20 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: is xyan's idea qualitatively different from echo > bla.log ? |
| 21:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's also not really different... echo will just put a single space into it |
| 21:10.38 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: If it's not different, then why did it help becks`? |
| 21:10.48 | SparFux | Whilst the other didn't help? |
| 21:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno... |
| 21:11.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it didn't.... |
| 21:11.18 | becks` | it did, just like magic :) |
| 21:11.28 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: but I have to admit, that I don't understand it, too. The /dev/null was a guess. |
| 21:11.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | else, explain why putting a single space into the file would be different from putting an empty string should make a difference |
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| 21:11.43 | SparFux | becks`: Yes, I used some magic :-) |
| 21:12.32 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: the difference is one byte. A space in a file is a file with length 1 byte, whereas there can be a file with lenght 0 bytes in which case there is nothing in the file. |
| 21:12.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | becks`, just out of curiosity... is your first name alexander by any chance? |
| 21:13.01 | becks` | CutMeOwnThroat no :) |
| 21:13.17 | SparFux | Alexander drinks lots of becks, that's why they call him like this. |
| 21:13.37 | becks` | i used to drink a lot of becks but now i'm used to different beers :D |
| 21:13.46 | Meiskam | i've got a question about mounting an iso .. i've got this in my /etc/fstab: |
| 21:13.49 | Meiskam | /dev/loop0 /mnt/debian-503-i386-DVD-1 iso9660 auto,ro,loop=/dev/loop0 0 0 |
| 21:14.02 | Meiskam | will that work properly to define and use a loop in the same line? |
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| 21:14.55 | Meiskam | should i change the first parameter to the path to the .iso? |
| 21:15.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | SparFux, as far as i can see either should have worked... or should not have worked (although the single space is not so good to have at the start of a logfile) |
| 21:15.27 | SparFux | becks`: anyway, it's very strange behaviour that your echo > blah.log didn't cut the log file down to one byte lenght! |
| 21:15.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, that's kind of the point... you can do that |
| 21:16.17 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, it should result in the file being cut from 200 megs to one byte length, but obviously for becks` that failed. |
| 21:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | but ... I don't remember exactly... in some cases, the process will just continue writing to the file ***on the same position it did so before*** - so you get a file with a lot of zeros at the begin of the file, and a couple of lines of log |
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| 21:17.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think yours might just have worked because of a race condition... |
| 21:17.18 | Meiskam | how will the it know where the .iso is on bootup? |
| 21:17.22 | cire | I overclocked my Q9550 to 3.400 MHz, but when acpi_cpufreq is running /proc/cpuinfo always reports 2.833 MHz (which is the default speed of this CPU). What ia wrong? Does BIOS report wrong values? Or does cpufrequtils read out data directly from CPU, not looking at BIOS' values? |
| 21:17.28 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: ah, right. it might be there is some app logging to that file still. |
| 21:17.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps whatever writes to the log closes the file from time to time - or it actually just stopped writing for a time and he'll be back to have it at 200 megs on the next write |
| 21:18.14 | SparFux | CutMeOwnThroat: Yes, that may be the reason. |
| 21:19.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | becks`, look in /etc/logrotate.d/* for how things are handled - you can easily add your own logfiles there - usually you restart the service in question or send it some signal |
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| 21:22.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Meiskam, I would think the 1st part should be the file... then your "loop" option should specify that it's not a device but must be mounted via a loop device |
| 21:23.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | Meiskam, but why don't you just try it? |
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| 21:23.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should have been able to try 20 different permutations in the time you asked here :) |
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| 21:25.26 | norbert_ | I'm on Debian stable, Gnome interface; I used System -> Administration -> User and Groups; because I want to add another user to the group "audio"; but the Manage Groups button provides me with a list that does not include the "audio" group; even though it is listed in the /etc/group file |
| 21:25.38 | norbert_ | there is an Add Group button, but it seems unwise to add another "audio" group if one already exists in /etc/group |
| 21:25.55 | Meiskam | CutMeOwnThroat because I don't want to reboot my machine 20 times |
| 21:26.13 | Meiskam | i have things running, i want to get it right, and schedule a reboot |
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| 21:30.36 | Titan8990 | Meiskam, why does it need to reboot at all? |
| 21:31.51 | Titan8990 | Meiskam, 16:30:42 up 65 days, 1:41, 1 user, load average: 0.01, 0.07, 0.08 |
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| 21:34.08 | Meiskam | Titan8990 erm, how else would i test loading the /etc/fstab |
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| 21:36.09 | Titan8990 | Meiskam, well, you can do `mount /dev/sdx` without a given mount point and it will read from fstab |
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| 21:36.46 | ewet | hi, so I'm in the process of dist-upgrading my system to testing and end up "apt-get install gnome" because a whole buch of it was uninstalled. it end up with an error and now "apt-get -f install" gives me this: http://pastebin.com/m5a76c9b5 |
| 21:37.16 | ewet | is this an error in the post-installation script? |
| 21:37.40 | xyan | it says what sort of error it is, it tries to overwrite a file |
| 21:37.47 | xyan | has nothing to do with install scripts |
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| 21:38.43 | xyan | ewet: try to remove libgmime2.2-cil (if there shouldnt be too much dependencies) |
| 21:39.39 | xyan | otherwise install libgmime2.4-cil using dpkg and --force=all see man dpkg |
| 21:40.18 | ewet | xyan, this will only work with dpkg anyways because apt will always give me an dependency error (concerning libgmime2.4-cil of course) |
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| 21:41.45 | xyan | ewet: --force-all of course or --force-overwrite or whatever ^ mistyped that |
| 21:42.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | Meiskam, there's no need to reboot for that - just unmount it and mount with "mount /mnt/debian-503-i386-DVD-1" |
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| 21:45.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | ewet, did you run "apt-get update" before that? or ... |
| 21:45.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libgmime2.4-cil |
| 21:45.35 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libgmime2.4-cil -- sid: 2.4.6-5 squeeze: 2.4.6-5 sid: 2.4.11-1 squeeze: 2.4.11-1 |
| 21:45.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libgmime2.2-cil |
| 21:45.42 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libgmime2.2-cil -- etch: 2.2.3-3 lenny: 2.2.22-2 sid: 2.2.22-2 |
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| 21:46.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | ewet, if you can't remove libgmime2.2-cil, you should use the one from sid in testing, I guess |
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| 21:48.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | it seems to me this resulted in mixing lenny and testing in this case, because there is no libgmime2.2-cil in testing |
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| 21:51.26 | ewet | CutMeOwnThroat, I've forced 2.4 and uninstalled 2.2.. I was just confused -- obviously an inconsistency |
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| 21:53.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, the point of having them named with version number is to be able to have different ones installed at the same time |
| 21:53.19 | ewet | well that didn't go down well |
| 21:53.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, the one that is now in sid just didn't get into testing yet |
| 21:54.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I guess you ended up with the one from lenny |
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| 21:54.41 | ewet | right.. welcome to the shiny world of testing dist-upgrades |
| 21:55.24 | daffidity | hello. Compiz is being stubborn and refusing to work. compiz --replace give me this. http://pastebin.com/d3c944db1. I'm on squeeze with an intel graphics card and drivers. any ideas? |
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| 21:57.28 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know if variables in the "drupal" package's "settings.php" file, like $db_url for example, should need to be manually assigned a value during installation? |
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| 21:57.42 | daffidity | evening. cirwin |
| 21:57.45 | cirwin | hiya |
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| 22:00.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | kingsley, probably /usr/share/doc/drupal[56]/README.Debian.gz will give you a hint? ... or possibly one of the other files there |
| 22:02.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | daffidity, not all window managers will allow to be replaced using the replace feature |
| 22:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | not even the majority, I think |
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| 22:03.29 | daffidity | CutMeOwnThroat: So what should I do? How do I tell metacity to go away.? |
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| 22:06.30 | kingsley | CutMeOwnThroat: Like you, I thought of the documentation. It seems to me that the paradox is that the documentation is silent on the matter, but installing the package leaves the variable undefined. |
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| 22:09.01 | daffidity | found the bug. Needed to disable compositing in metacity first for some reason... |
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| 22:23.12 | aiyu | hii all, how can i exit a process based on its pid |
| 22:23.38 | cirwin | kill <pid> |
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| 22:23.39 | Juzzy | Can anyone give me a hand with setting up a repo? I have the structure, gpg keyrings, I've signed Releases and i've added my key to apt-key yet when i go apt-get install it says it cannot be validated |
| 22:23.49 | SparFux | re. Anybody using netscript-2.4 ? |
| 22:24.36 | Juzzy | I stuck Release{,.gpg} in the base repo dir that it says in the sources.list |
| 22:24.53 | aiyu | thanks cirwin |
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| 22:25.53 | aiyu | i just took nano from menu and it opened two instance in the background , shooting my cpu usage to 100% and temp to 95C |
| 22:26.04 | cirwin | that sounds bad |
| 22:26.12 | cirwin | you could also use "killall nano" |
| 22:26.44 | aiyu | i killed using the pid now cpu is back to 2%, is this normal with nano? |
| 22:26.53 | cirwin | no |
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| 22:27.37 | aiyu | cirwin: but it clearly showed in conky each nano took over 47%. do u have any idea on what might have happened |
| 22:27.53 | cirwin | no |
| 22:28.13 | aiyu | ok, thanks for ur time , see ya latr |
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| 22:31.00 | LimCore | Choda_: cartman, is that you |
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| 22:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | whats an ur time |
| 22:35.35 | Phil | can anyone suggest what might be wrong here? http://paste.pchowtos.co.uk/view/20f8656a |
| 22:36.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phil, nothing is wrong there |
| 22:37.10 | Phil | CutMeOwnThroat, care to expand on that in the area of exactly why I cannot delete that file? |
| 22:37.26 | AimHere | Your user account doesn't own that file |
| 22:37.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | because you're not "nobody" |
| 22:37.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sticky bit |
| 22:37.42 | dpkg | it has been said that sticky bit is the "t" bit on /tmp. When set on a directory, it means that users cannot unlink anyone else's files (and a few other things). It has no effect on files in Linux or FreeBSD; on some other Unices it has another meaning, usually related to swapping or the page cache. |
| 22:37.42 | Phil | but it's world writable |
| 22:37.50 | Phil | you must own a file to delete it? |
| 22:37.53 | pflanze | Has anyone tried the "empathy" package on sid? If so, does it work for you? |
| 22:38.00 | daffidity | Phil: Sudo it :-p |
| 22:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phil, ^^^ |
| 22:38.20 | Phil | there's no way to make a file world deletable? |
| 22:38.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | this is the first time in ages I've been just guessing a factoid must exist :) |
| 22:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phil, did you read what dpkg wrote up there? |
| 22:39.10 | Phil | eh, sorry, missed it |
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| 22:39.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | I pointed to it, too! |
| 22:39.40 | Innocentus | hi ho all |
| 22:39.42 | Innocentus | anyone online? ;) |
| 22:39.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | with "^^^" |
| 22:39.54 | Phil | I thought the point was to the sudo comment ;) |
| 22:40.01 | Phil | how does one remove this sticky bit? |
| 22:40.04 | Innocentus | hey ho |
| 22:40.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | !anyone use to be online |
| 22:40.08 | dpkg | No, no one uses to be online, not even the people who use it. |
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| 22:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phil, you don't really want to do that on /tmp... on a multiuser-system - you can easily work around that by not using /tmp or creating a subdirectory in /tmp, though |
| 22:41.33 | Phil | so it's not recursive? |
| 22:41.34 | Innocentus | what line do I need to add for the experimental packages for debian LENNY (5.0)? :) |
| 22:41.38 | Innocentus | (sources.list) |
| 22:41.41 | Phil | that'll do |
| 22:41.42 | Phil | thanks :) |
| 22:41.59 | ircDon | I have been running linux-image-2.6.31-1-amd64 nicely for a while but a recent update brought in 2.6.32. With 2.6.32 the boot freezes before loading services. Where should I look to debug this? |
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| 22:42.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, 2.6.32 is finally around? |
| 22:42.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd kernels |
| 22:42.54 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-19lenny2); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1) |
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| 22:43.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | ircDon, did you already check the bts? |
| 22:43.10 | ircDon | Yeah, linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 it in Sid apparently. |
| 22:43.28 | ircDon | No, I just figured it was something with my hardware - checking now. |
| 22:44.18 | ircDon | No reports found in bts. |
| 22:44.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phil, and... I'd never have pointed to that... I don't use sudo and don't see a point recommending it either :) |
| 22:45.23 | Innocentus | HEY?: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main - how can I change that line for also using EXPERIMENTAL packages? :) |
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| 22:46.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ircDon, well, write one... perhaps sysrq can help you some |
| 22:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | Innocentus, there are no security updates for experimental |
| 22:46.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you can't |
| 22:46.55 | Innocentus | oh |
| 22:47.02 | Innocentus | but how to install an experimental package then ? :) |
| 22:47.12 | Innocentus | I need for testing - PLEASE :) |
| 22:47.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | !experimental |
| 22:47.19 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
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| 22:47.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually... if you don't know I think it's a bad idea for you to do it... |
| 22:48.08 | ircDon | Thanks CutMeOwnThroat - I'll give it a try - unfortunately I need to learn the debugging process for the boot sequence so I know what to write. |
| 22:48.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | because you'll probably also not be able to fix the breakage |
| 22:49.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | Innocentus, what does your current /etc/apt/sources.list contain? |
| 22:49.18 | Innocentus | ok - thank you for your help |
| 22:49.26 | Innocentus | but I don't need the experimantal thing |
| 22:49.34 | Innocentus | because I have jsut managed to compile it by myself |
| 22:49.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
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| 22:49.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, what _does_ your current /etc/apt/sources.list look like? |
| 22:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | experimental lines look just like everything else... |
| 22:50.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and even if you're compiling it yourself, it's a pretty good idea to use the source package for compiling |
| 22:51.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you end up with a package that the package system knows about and can remove |
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| 22:51.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | my one looks like deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib |
| 22:52.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | for compiling you'd have deb-src ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ experimental main non-free contrib |
| 22:52.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | then use apt-get -b source <package> |
| 22:52.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | what package are we talking about anyway |
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| 22:53.27 | magesing_ | Hi everyone, I just re-installed my system partition leaving my user directories un-touched. I re-made my user accounts and pointed them to their original home directories. However, when I start icedove it doesn't have the account settings, or e-mail. How can I restore my icedove settings and get my archived e-mail back? Thanks. |
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| 22:57.31 | Innocentus | ok thank you |
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| 23:06.49 | drksoft | hello |
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| 23:12.49 | jamesstanley | Xen fails to boot with "fatal early page fault" |
| 23:12.56 | jamesstanley | Does anyone know what to do? |
| 23:13.05 | jamesstanley | It used to work a few months ago |
| 23:13.12 | jamesstanley | And now I just tried again and it doesn't |
| 23:13.12 | zrin | i have a lenny router with ralink rt2561s wlan card and hostapd; it was working very well until recently, now I get "nl80211: Failed to set interface 5 to mode 3: -16 (Device or resource busy) / nl80211: Failed to set interface wlan0 into AP mode" - I'll be thankful for any hint where to start looking for the problem |
| 23:13.27 | jamesstanley | Google gives me the impression that it is something to do with grub |
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| 23:14.09 | magesing_ | Hi everyone. How can I get icedove to use the settings and e-mail located in ~/.mozilla-thunderbird? I just re-installed debian (without deleteing my home directory) and icedove doesn't seem to recognize my old settings |
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| 23:16.03 | ewet | hi, I've created the rtorrent script for the init with help from the rtorrent wiki. now the new lsb thing is giving me "insserv: warning: script 'K99rtorrent' missing LSB tags and overrides" upon upgrading lenny to stable. the debian wiki tells me to add lsb fields -- great :/ what? |
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| 23:16.20 | qwd | magesing_: see if you have an icedove folder and try copying the files there |
| 23:17.42 | magesing_ | qwd: icedove uses the .mozilla-thunderbird folder. I know this because I never installed thunderbird |
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| 23:18.32 | qwd | magesing_: doh, didn't think of that :) |
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| 23:21.59 | magesing_ | qwd: in the same way the iceweasel settings are in .mozilla |
| 23:21.59 | magesing_ | (iceweasel picked up the old settings just fine fyi) |
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| 23:56.06 | drksoft | hi |
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| 23:56.48 | drksoft | im trying to make soundcard load first than my webcam |
| 23:57.31 | drksoft | i added this to alsa-base.conf options snd-usb-audio index=0,1 vid=0xd8c,0x201 pid=0x46d,0x8d7 but it still doesnt work |
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| 23:58.57 | drksoft | anyone? |