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| 00:09.15 | culinor | is debian better than other linux distros |
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| 00:10.42 | iceroot | culinor: depending on what you want |
| 00:11.08 | culinor | something that has no ties with corporations like microsoft :) |
| 00:11.50 | culinor | something that gives you freedom to use |
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| 00:12.49 | AimHere | culinor, Debian is bigger than other linux distros. Maybe bigger is better. |
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| 00:13.10 | culinor | bigger in size? |
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| 00:14.54 | iceroot | culinor: ah ok just a normal microsoft-hater |
| 00:15.16 | iceroot | culinor: try debian and ubuntu |
| 00:15.19 | drksoft | can anyone help me? |
| 00:15.24 | culinor | i don't hate microsoft |
| 00:15.41 | culinor | it's not about hatred |
| 00:15.43 | culinor | :) |
| 00:17.27 | LimCore | culinor: Ubuntu can be nicer. But perhaps try 9.04, is 9.10 has too many bugs |
| 00:17.41 | NiLon | there's thin line between love and hate |
| 00:17.41 | LimCore | Ubuntu is based on Debian |
| 00:18.05 | culinor | i am trying to migrate from windows to linux |
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| 00:19.04 | samantha-c | is there a bittorrent client that will save files to different locations if they're in the same torrent? i.e., specify save path on a by-file basis? i have a 230g torrent i'm trying to pick up, and while i have enough space overall, i don't have it all on one partition. is there a way around this? |
| 00:19.31 | culinor | i am muslim, true muslims don't hate anyone and anything, i just don't feel free using windows and i don't want to support microsoft and i feel linux would be a good choice for me |
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| 00:22.30 | eyzn | its not about feeling, its a fact - http://www.debian.org/intro/free.en.html |
| 00:23.59 | culinor | thank you |
| 00:24.35 | eyzn | and i would suggest you to try ubuntu |
| 00:25.47 | qwd | samantha-c: not that I know of but you can partially download the torrent. Just select not to download a few of the files. |
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| 00:26.23 | z0nk3y | hi, should i be using ext3 or ext2 as my file system (or should i chooose of the other options) |
| 00:26.23 | samantha-c | qwd: when i have done this in the past (eg in transmission), transmission still complained about missing files (eg ones i had unselected) |
| 00:26.36 | samantha-c | z0nk3y: when in doubt, choose ext3. |
| 00:26.40 | qwd | culinor: debian is bigger in the sense that it has more packages available, not that the installation is bigger. you just get more apps to choose from |
| 00:26.48 | contrains | z0nk3y, Is there a reason you don't want journaling? |
| 00:27.05 | z0nk3y | uh, because i dont know what it is =] |
| 00:27.15 | z0nk3y | ill go with ext 3, thanks! |
| 00:27.17 | qwd | culinor: debian is stable, ubuntu is shinier but with that comes more bugs. it's really a matter of taste, I think both are great. |
| 00:27.35 | qwd | samantha-c: how do you mean complained? |
| 00:27.45 | samantha-c | qwd: threw a file missing error and refused to start the torrent. |
| 00:28.17 | qwd | samantha-c: I thought you could download half, stop the torrent, move the files, then download the other half by deselecting the files you already have. you won't be able to seed it but make sure you do that before stopping :) |
| 00:28.57 | culinor | thank you for replies, honestly i am choosing between debian and ubuntu, i read that debian uses only free software |
| 00:29.35 | culinor | but i am a newcomer and ubuntu may be harder for me to configure than ubuntu |
| 00:29.37 | AimHere | It doesn't, but it seperates the free stuff from the unfree stuff |
| 00:29.44 | qwd | culinor: if you care about freedom then debian has a great policy. ubuntu mixes in a bit more proprietary software but you don't *have to* use it. there's a package called vrms, download it and run it in terminal (just type vrms) it'll show you which non free packages you have installed |
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| 00:30.07 | eyzn | culinor, just give each distro u want to test a shot in a virtualmachine - virtualbox is nice and easy to install on windows |
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| 00:30.56 | qwd | eyzn: he might as well look at screenshots since the biggest differences are in theme, newness of packages and policy :) |
| 00:31.19 | culinor | yes, but if i don't use linux as my main OS i cannot truly learn it, so i must get away from the virtualbox |
| 00:31.39 | eyzn | ? |
| 00:31.58 | qwd | culinor: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/ubuntustory/debian |
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| 00:32.22 | hojda22 | How to play midi files ? |
| 00:33.09 | qwd | hojda22: vlc? |
| 00:33.10 | eyzn | apt-get install vlc :p |
| 00:33.14 | AimHere | hojda22, timidity is probably the app you want. It has command line and gui flavours |
| 00:33.22 | qwd | !aptitude |
| 00:33.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, aptitude is a terminal-based package manager that can be used in a command-line mode (aptitude install foo ; aptitude remove goo) as well as a text user interface mode (just run "aptitude"). Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> or see http://wiki.debian.org/Aptitude |
| 00:33.52 | culinor | thank you |
| 00:34.03 | culinor | have you tried BSD or Unix? |
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| 00:34.20 | hojda22 | qwd, does not work |
| 00:34.37 | drksoft | hi i have this problem, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/need-help-to-configure-multiple-soundcards-built-in-card-and-webcam.-769626/ but i tried the solution and it didnt work for me |
| 00:34.39 | hojda22 | AimHere, it seems that I am unable to learn it... :-D |
| 00:34.43 | qwd | then try what AimHere recommended, or do "apt-cache search midi" |
| 00:34.56 | sreyes | how can I manually set dns servers in resolv.conf so they aren't overridden by DHCP? |
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| 00:36.43 | ponyofdeath | hi, I am having some time drift issues which is cauzing dovecot to shut down can someone please help? I am running ntpd and it seems it is adjusting the clock but too agressively for dovecot not to notice. also i am seeing these in dmesg: http://pastebin.com/m1b7a7864 i think that might be because of the lowmem reservation seting in the kernel tho. |
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| 00:38.03 | AimHere | hojda22, 'timidity file.mid' will play it from the CLI, I can't remember how to get a gui up. 'man timidity' or 'timidity -help' will give you a huge pile of options |
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| 00:39.39 | hojda22 | AimHere, Welllll, it plays!!!:-D I did not try the easy way .......... :-D |
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| 00:40.49 | newsense | sreyes: man 5 dhclient.conf |
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| 00:41.36 | sreyes | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.44 | newsense | sreyes: no problem |
| 00:42.02 | AimHere | hojda22, if you get 'timidity-interfaces-extra' then you can get gui versions, by invoking, say, 'timidity -ig' for gtk |
| 00:42.03 | drksoft | help anyone? |
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| 00:43.13 | qwd | !patience |
| 00:43.13 | dpkg | The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. |
| 00:43.18 | sreyes | sorry drksoft, I haven't had a box with a sound card yet. not my area of expertise |
| 00:43.29 | sreyes | (or webcam) |
| 00:43.35 | drksoft | :( |
| 00:43.37 | drksoft | np |
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| 00:44.17 | sreyes | ponyofdeath, what amount of time drift? |
| 00:45.24 | ponyofdeath | sreyes: hmm 1s? http://pastebin.com/mbe36801 |
| 00:46.21 | sreyes | at a guess, I'd say ntpd isn't drifting, it's doing a hard time change |
| 00:46.43 | sreyes | how on earth can you have more than a 1 second time change in 20 minutes? |
| 00:48.34 | ponyofdeath | sreyes: no idea something is def wrong i even removed /etc/adjtime and set with rdate then did hwclock --systohc and rebooted |
| 00:50.11 | sreyes | well, I'd try looking at ntpd options to force it to check more often and drift even if there's a large time skew |
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| 00:50.36 | marcosi | is it possible to install the spice protocol on debian |
| 00:50.37 | marcosi | ? |
| 00:50.38 | sreyes | I know I've done the opposite before; you can run ntpd in a sync-time-once-then-exit mode, as well as a force-jump mode |
| 00:50.41 | culinor | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/051118-WSIS.2005-Richard.Stallman.ogg |
| 00:51.13 | sreyes | if nothing else, you could figure out the flags for drift and quit-after-sync, and throw in a cronjob that runs every minute |
| 00:51.32 | jhutchins_lt | culinor: Apropos of which? |
| 00:52.03 | culinor | a speech of Richard Stallman about freedom and free software |
| 00:52.21 | sreyes | brb, gotta reboot to see if this new network config works for me ;) |
| 00:52.49 | marcosi | anyone know about any debian package for spice? |
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| 00:57.36 | marcosi | hrmm |
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| 00:59.46 | mns | Is there a way to increase the number of inodes on an ext3 filesystem, on the fly ? |
| 00:59.56 | stew | mns: no |
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| 01:00.28 | mns | I was afraid that would be the answer. |
| 01:00.39 | stew | sorry :) |
| 01:00.43 | mns | any filesystem that allows for such a thing ? |
| 01:00.50 | samantha-c | mns: no. |
| 01:00.58 | samantha-c | what i want to do is merge to partitions into a single volume, non-destructively. the answer is the same. :-) |
| 01:00.58 | mns | damn, two nos! |
| 01:01.20 | mns | samantha-c, thanks, but I wasn't going to ask that :) |
| 01:01.31 | samantha-c | mns: in theory, a tool like partition magic might be able to do it for you. however, you can't do it while the machine is actually operating. |
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| 01:02.23 | mns | so the safe method of booting from a cd or something is the way to go. |
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| 01:02.47 | mns | thanks. |
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| 01:03.01 | grandpapadot | Hey, is it possible to setup vsftp users *without* unix system users? |
| 01:03.07 | cire | what is the best method of ripping a CD with boot option? ("dd" or a tool?) |
| 01:03.17 | cire | s/a tool/another tool/ |
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| 01:03.49 | samantha-c | cire: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso works great |
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| 01:04.28 | cire | samantha-c: thanks... I also was thinking about that, but it was... too easy ;) |
| 01:05.06 | orudie | hmm |
| 01:05.21 | orudie | for some reason apache is not picking up index.html , however its picking up index.php |
| 01:05.25 | orudie | any ideas |
| 01:05.43 | mns | grandpapadot, I think it is possible to do so. I'm pretty sure I've done just that at my old job. I don't have the setup with me so I can't recall how exactly I did it. I know I went through the online documentation and got it from there. |
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| 01:06.41 | mns | orudie, there is a setting in the httpd.conf file that tells it what documents to look for. you sure that its set to include both index.html and index.php ? |
| 01:06.59 | orudie | mns, let me check |
| 01:07.33 | samantha-c | you know, if i hadn't downloaded so much of this torrent already i'd pitch it and just restart it after creating an lvm with my two merged partitions. |
| 01:07.36 | grandpapadot | Thanks, mns. |
| 01:08.14 | mns | its that big ? you downloading Avatar ? lol |
| 01:08.30 | grandpapadot | Avatar rocked ... |
| 01:08.42 | mns | have to yet see it. |
| 01:09.04 | orudie | mns httpd.conf is empty |
| 01:10.50 | mns | there are some directories in /etc/apache I think its available or enable or something. i've not used apache in ages, been using Lighttpd. |
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| 01:15.16 | sreyes | so changing /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf worked, I think... but /etc/resolv.conf is being overridden by NetworkManager. Can I stop that? |
| 01:17.36 | sreyes | well, I just removed the symlinks from rc2.d, hopefully that fixes it :) |
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| 01:21.29 | rebel_kid | where is the configuration file for apache2-suexec-custom? |
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| 01:36.46 | sreyes | my box has two NICs and both are added as a default route once they are up. The problem is, connections are opened to eth1, but replies are being sent from eth0 |
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| 01:37.27 | Sibul | sreyes, you should just have one default route |
| 01:37.27 | sreyes | by adding a post-up route del to eth0, I made that default route be deleted immediately on creation. Can I fix it with iptables? |
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| 01:37.45 | Sibul | thats why it is "default" |
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| 01:38.15 | sreyes | well, both interfaces register as a default route once they are brought up... is there a way I can change that? |
| 01:39.06 | ninja | check out /proc/net/route |
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| 01:40.45 | ninja | dude u need to up the interfaces before adding defaul gateways |
| 01:41.10 | sreyes | I'm not adding default gateways, the system is... |
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| 02:06.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | !interfaces |
| 02:06.50 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
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| 02:07.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | actually /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz DOES deal with your problem |
| 02:07.09 | cast | ah, oh, / is full |
| 02:07.10 | cast | thinks |
| 02:07.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | it wasn't me! |
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| 02:07.28 | cast | /home was full last night |
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| 02:07.38 | cast | it takes me a while to notice these things :\ |
| 02:08.16 | cast | aaptitude search -O ~installsize -F '%p %I' ~i |
| 02:08.18 | cast | ftw |
| 02:08.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | full /home can really be a bother |
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| 02:09.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | all saves fail... I think xmms playlists just disappeared because of that |
| 02:09.25 | cast | removes jre and kernel sources |
| 02:09.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you can't log in to X anymore |
| 02:09.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... because $HOME/.Xauthority can't be (re-) written |
| 02:10.40 | cast | /dev/mapper/sys-root 1.9G 1.7G 255M 87% / |
| 02:10.41 | cast | yay |
| 02:10.54 | cast | now i can install xdiskusage to see whats taking up space in /home.. |
| 02:11.18 | amphi | du would tell you |
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| 02:11.44 | cast | wonders if xdiskusage understands hard links |
| 02:12.06 | cast | amphi: it would, but not in as nice a way, just like a recursive ls would also tell me |
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| 02:16.47 | flourish | hi all, quick question. Which repository has python2.6 |
| 02:17.11 | flourish | now i am using debian sqeeuze amd64 |
| 02:17.25 | kuber | unstable i think. try http://packages.debian.org |
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| 02:18.08 | adb | !judd versions python |
| 02:18.08 | dpkg | adb, you probably want to address that to judd, not to me. (Hint: leave off the ! in your command -- that's there to grab my attention not judd's) |
| 02:18.25 | kuber | huh actually sid has 2.5.4 |
| 02:18.50 | eulalia | Whenever I try to view my Windows partition via the file browser, i get an "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume". Anyone know how to fix this? |
| 02:19.54 | flourish | kuber: so in the experimental |
| 02:20.47 | kuber | judd: versions python |
| 02:20.47 | judd | kuber: python -- etch: 2.4.4-2 lenny: 2.5.2-3 sid: 2.5.2-3 squeeze: 2.5.4-2 sid: 2.5.4-4 experimental: 2.5.4-8 |
| 02:20.56 | flourish | kuber: ^_^ what is judd? |
| 02:21.17 | kuber | flourish: a bot of some sort |
| 02:21.19 | kuber | judd: help |
| 02:21.19 | judd | kuber: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 02:21.24 | kuber | looks like a supybot |
| 02:21.35 | flourish | nice |
| 02:21.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | cast, gdmap! |
| 02:21.44 | flourish | judd: help |
| 02:21.45 | judd | flourish: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
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| 02:22.06 | seba | I'm trying to capture the output of my soundcard but i dont have a mix device to capture from.. can i fix this or approach my goal on another way (without pulseaudio/jackd)? I'm using debian squeeze, 2.6.26 with snd-hda-intel as soundmodule |
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| 02:22.20 | flourish | judd: python2.6 |
| 02:22.20 | judd | flourish: Error: "python2.6" is not a valid command. |
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| 02:22.44 | nsadmin | !ops fea dcc spl |
| 02:22.44 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: fea dcc spl |
| 02:22.52 | stew | flourish: you want either "versions python2.6" or "info python2.6" |
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| 02:22.59 | stew | wut? |
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| 02:23.08 | mentor | gone |
| 02:23.16 | mentor | spl? |
| 02:23.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | ekSPLoit? |
| 02:23.46 | flourish | judd: versions python2.6 |
| 02:23.47 | judd | flourish: python2.6 -- experimental: 2.6.4-1 |
| 02:23.59 | flourish | stew: thanks |
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| 02:24.27 | nsadmin | oh didn't notice that |
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| 02:24.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it friday? |
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| 02:24.55 | mentor | Not Christmas for you yet |
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| 02:25.02 | tensorpudding | it's wednesday here |
| 02:25.06 | nsadmin | don't you remember, I wished you all a month o sundays! |
| 02:25.10 | tensorpudding | might be thursday in some places |
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| 02:25.27 | eulalia | Whenever I try to view my Windows partition via the file browser, i get an "Invalid mount option when attempting to mount the volume". Anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 02:25.30 | seba | here it is thursday |
| 02:25.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, it has a certain !friday-eve-ish feel to it |
| 02:25.55 | flourish | any other robot except judd? |
| 02:26.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | eulalia, how about you mount it from a terminal so you know what the mount options actually *are*? |
| 02:26.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | !friday |
| 02:26.29 | dpkg | friday is probably tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 02:26.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | only him |
| 02:27.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/only/mostly/ |
| 02:27.13 | stew | flourish: /msg dpkg help |
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| 02:29.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, btw. why does judd sometimes have multiple entries for sid or testing? |
| 02:29.50 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, for sid |
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| 02:30.02 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: i've failed on several attempts to figure out why |
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| 02:30.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | heh |
| 02:30.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, no, seen it for more than sid |
| 02:30.27 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm probably going to replace the udd with dak as soon we get dak importing Packages.gz files, so I'm not too worried about it |
| 02:30.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions libgmime2.4-cil |
| 02:30.49 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: libgmime2.4-cil -- sid: 2.4.6-5 squeeze: 2.4.6-5 sid: 2.4.11-1 squeeze: 2.4.11-1 |
| 02:30.53 | Meiskam | unlobotomy |
| 02:30.55 | Meiskam | !unlobotomy |
| 02:31.00 | Meiskam | where can i find unlobotomy? |
| 02:31.05 | Meiskam | -.- |
| 02:31.13 | Meiskam | dpkg, where can i find unlobotomy? |
| 02:31.14 | dpkg | Meiskam: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 02:31.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | at the nearest hostpital of your choice... if you;re lucky? |
| 02:31.33 | abrotman | Meiskam: msg the bot |
| 02:31.37 | Meiskam | oh |
| 02:32.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, dunno if that helps you to find out what's wrong, but this one has 2X squeeze and 2X sid |
| 02:32.47 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: it doesn't |
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| 02:33.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
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| 02:35.18 | ewet | hi, how on earth can I disable gnome/gtk password field feedback? it's possible for gdm but I didn't find it anywhere else.. |
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| 02:36.30 | LimCore | how to tell Debian that system "hardware" time is in local Polish time, instead of UTC time? |
| 02:36.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm, interesting - for that package apt-cache madison also reports two different versions in unstable for me |
| 02:37.02 | abrotman | !tell LimCore about set the time |
| 02:37.11 | abrotman | see the part about the rcS file |
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| 02:38.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | LimCore, /etc/default/rcS |
| 02:38.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 02:39.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | or just listen to abrotman |
| 02:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... by way of exception |
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| 02:43.19 | datz_ | hi, just a small problem, after resetting my wallpaper, fonts and taskbars resized to larger than preffered |
| 02:43.21 | abrotman | hey! |
| 02:43.46 | datz_ | when I checked the font size, everything is at 10, which seems small |
| 02:43.59 | datz_ | I don't know where else to look to reset things |
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| 02:44.36 | abrotman | which WM/DE ? |
| 02:44.39 | seba | i can't figure out why my snd-hda-intel card has no mixer device.. how do i get to that mix device to capture audio? |
| 02:45.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does alsamixer do? |
| 02:45.53 | Section58 | it does something with sound |
| 02:46.02 | Section58 | isn't that the sound mixer ? |
| 02:46.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably the kernel module isn't loaded... but udev should load it when you try to access it |
| 02:46.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | Section58, I meant what does alsamixer do if seba runs it |
| 02:46.37 | Section58 | :P |
| 02:46.47 | Section58 | Sorry, new channel, i don't know who people are yet |
| 02:47.01 | seba | shows up ;) i have a lot of options |
| 02:47.18 | seba | but in the capture section i don't see a mixer or "mix" as sound input source |
| 02:47.37 | seba | sounds playback works just fine.. |
| 02:47.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Section58, but you've won a barely-used toothbrush for the correct answer |
| 02:47.38 | Section58 | As debian is so expansive as a topic. Its hard to come off topic as such?? Is this the right place for *anything* debian? |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | Section58: technically this is a support channel .. what's your question ? |
| 02:48.03 | abrotman | nevermind |
| 02:48.09 | LimCore | abrotman: it did not help. Even with grep UTC /etc/default/rcS --> UTC=no after reboot, after dpkg-reconfigure tzdata still computer thinks that the time stored in my "computer"(in my VM/VPS) is the UTC time, instead of understanding its the local time |
| 02:48.47 | abrotman | LimCore: squeeze ? |
| 02:48.58 | abrotman | what's in /etc/timezone ? |
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| 02:49.31 | Section58 | I was wondering if its possible to start a discussion on openvpn /30 range tunnels linked via automated c# windows installker. por 443 via central pointk (amkazonk aws) |
| 02:49.36 | cesurasean | what is the best way to enable apache 2.2 SNI support on debian lenny? |
| 02:49.47 | LimCore | abrotman: Im on Lenny, apart from not-exploited version of libxml (for java) and some 3-4 apps |
| 02:49.58 | LimCore | Europe/Warsaw |
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| 02:55.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sni |
| 02:55.24 | dpkg | from memory, sni is Server Name Indication, an SSLv3/TLSv1-Extension in Apache 2.2.12 and upwards that allows the servername (of an https:// request) to be transmitted before the SSL handshake. This means you can have two SSL websites on one IP address now. |
| 02:55.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mmm.. should be just a module, no? |
| 02:55.52 | cesurasean | no, it's a patch file... |
| 02:56.16 | cesurasean | and lenny is only at 2.2.9 on apache, |
| 02:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you need to recompile? |
| 02:56.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | judd, versions apache2 |
| 02:56.33 | judd | CutMeOwnThroat: apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch6 etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11 sid: 2.2.9-10 lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny2 lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny6 sid: 2.2.11-2 squeeze: 2.2.14-3 sid: 2.2.14-4 |
| 02:56.42 | cesurasean | i would rather not. does anyone have a clue when it will be incorporated? |
| 02:57.01 | stew | cesurasean: in lenny? |
| 02:57.03 | cesurasean | yes |
| 02:57.05 | stew | cesurasean: never |
| 02:57.14 | stew | cesurasean: lenny was frozen in 2008 |
| 02:57.18 | cesurasean | stew, what do you suggest then, and why do you say never? |
| 02:57.27 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: your best best is to use backports.org |
| 02:57.37 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: we don't update versions in stable (well, almost never) |
| 02:57.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's never any new things in stable... that's why it's called stable |
| 02:57.47 | cesurasean | so it will not go until next squeeze? |
| 02:57.58 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: yeah, squeeze will have it. |
| 02:58.17 | cesurasean | so, thats almost 1 yrs time, no? i will have to use backports or recompile? :( |
| 02:58.20 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: if you need it, you can get it via backports, though. However, my understanding is that a lot of clients don't support that server extension |
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| 02:58.50 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: so if it's something that you're doing for client facing production work, it doesn't matter yet. |
| 02:59.18 | cesurasean | thx guys |
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| 03:00.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | shouldn't squeeze be frozen about now? I thought it was december 2009/2011/2013 and so on |
| 03:00.59 | datz_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:01.16 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: nope, not yet |
| 03:01.20 | datz_ | for a 1680x1050 monitor |
| 03:01.28 | dondelelcaro | datz_: depends on the size |
| 03:01.37 | datz_ | 22" |
| 03:01.44 | dondelelcaro | datz_: and normally, 72 or 100dpi is the right one; it should be picking it automatically for you |
| 03:01.50 | datz_ | have it at about 100 |
| 03:01.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, is there a date fixed at all? the announcement just said "december" |
| 03:02.01 | datz_ | ok, this seems ok |
| 03:02.22 | datz_ | thanks bye for now |
| 03:02.23 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: that was when they were thinking about freezing in sync with ubuntu .. which isn't happening that way |
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| 03:02.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, oh? I checked ... last week (?) and the announcment was still up on debian.org |
| 03:03.22 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: sure, because it was announced, but that's not what it's actually going to be |
| 03:03.22 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 03:03.23 | dpkg | Squeeze is anticipated to be <freeze>d in March 2010. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/10/msg00002.html and ask me about <squeeze bet> <squeeze kernel> |
| 03:03.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | mm, I see - I followed the News link in |
| 03:03.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !freeze |
| 03:03.32 | dpkg | A "freeze" is when changes to testing version of Debian are stopped for few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release). At the end of the freeze the release is 'stable'. Freezing used to be done when the <release goals> were achieved, but from Squeeze onwards will be done in a time-based manner, see http://www.debian.org/News/2009/20090729 |
| 03:03.52 | dondelelcaro | (it's also just the proposed freeze date) |
| 03:04.11 | abrotman | guess that should be changed ? |
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| 03:05.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | so the syncing up won't happen? |
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| 03:06.11 | edgardo-laptop | hi |
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| 03:21.28 | cesurasean | Which apache version is most stable with SNI support under backports? |
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| 03:21.40 | cesurasean | 2.3? |
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| 03:23.28 | stew | cesurasean: you mean backports.org? |
| 03:24.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... judd didn't show any apache2 packages in backports.org |
| 03:24.19 | stew | cesurasean: or what do yo umean by "under backports" |
| 03:24.20 | cesurasean | yes, backports.org |
| 03:24.25 | stew | cesurasean: there is none |
| 03:24.26 | cesurasean | sorry |
| 03:24.46 | cesurasean | what do you mean? there is none with SNI support? |
| 03:24.47 | stew | cesurasean: you'd have to backport it yourslef |
| 03:24.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... that was the 1st thing I checked after you asked, if you care to scroll back a little and look |
| 03:24.54 | stew | cesurasean: there is no version of apache2 in backports |
| 03:25.11 | cesurasean | CutMeOwnZThroat, sorry, I closed chat down... :( |
| 03:25.24 | stew | judd: versions apache2 |
| 03:25.25 | judd | stew: apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch6 etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11 sid: 2.2.9-10 lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny2 lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny6 sid: 2.2.11-2 squeeze: 2.2.14-3 sid: 2.2.14-4 |
| 03:25.26 | cesurasean | whoops. a Z too many. |
| 03:25.29 | stew | no backports |
| 03:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | cesurasean, if you want it you have to backport it yourself - /msg dpkg ssb for that (you can also do it with a squeeze package, of course) |
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| 03:26.03 | cesurasean | so, i need this one then? lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny2 , right? |
| 03:26.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's the one you have if you have lenny |
| 03:26.22 | cesurasean | where do i find the package they are using for squeeze? |
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| 03:26.54 | cesurasean | is there not a .deb somewhere? |
| 03:26.55 | stew | cesurasean: use instructions from "/msg dpkg ssb" which will have you compile the source from sid |
| 03:26.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you mean |
| 03:27.11 | stew | cesurasean: you don't want a .deb for squeze, it would be built against the wrong libraries for lenny |
| 03:27.17 | cesurasean | is there not a .deb package for SNI support? |
| 03:27.23 | stew | cesurasean: there is |
| 03:27.26 | stew | cesurasean: you can't use it |
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| 03:27.32 | cesurasean | oh |
| 03:27.40 | stew | cesurasean: without switching to testing |
| 03:27.47 | stew | cesurasean: which you'd not want to do for an internet facing server |
| 03:27.52 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | we already told you |
| 03:28.19 | cesurasean | backports.org? |
| 03:28.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | twice |
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| 03:28.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, because apache2 is not there |
| 03:28.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ssb |
| 03:28.36 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 03:29.52 | stew | i'd imagine it might not be the simplest of backports (especially since nobody has uploaded it yet) |
| 03:29.53 | cesurasean | so i have to make my own deb from backports? |
| 03:29.59 | cesurasean | i think i understand now.. |
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| 03:30.05 | stew | cesurasean: not from backports |
| 03:30.34 | stew | cesurasean: from unstable (or perhaps testing, but since testing and unstable have the same upstream version, I'd guess you want unstable) |
| 03:30.45 | cesurasean | oh, ok |
| 03:30.52 | cesurasean | i see now |
| 03:31.10 | cesurasean | yeah, that's the problem is im wanting something unstable. :) |
| 03:31.24 | cesurasean | anyone know if this will be updated before squeeze? no? |
| 03:31.42 | stew | cesurasean: if what exactly will be updated? |
| 03:31.50 | cesurasean | SNI support for apache 2 |
| 03:32.18 | stew | what do you mean by updated then? all recent versions of apache2 have SNI support, i thought |
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| 03:32.44 | cesurasean | lenny does not support SNI support, currently. |
| 03:32.54 | cesurasean | it's not in 2.2.9 of apache |
| 03:33.15 | stew | cesurasean: recall previously when multiple of us said that apache2 in lenny will not be updated, ever, since lenny was frozen in 2008 |
| 03:33.34 | stew | cesurasean: it will get security updates as needed, but no new versions and new new features |
| 03:33.39 | cesurasean | and squeeze comes out in like sept/oct, right? |
| 03:34.01 | stew | cesurasean: release dates are not known in advance |
| 03:34.04 | cesurasean | if that. |
| 03:34.19 | cesurasean | what is considered a release though? |
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| 03:34.23 | stew | cesurasean: the current plan is to freeze squeeze in march. there is no way to know how long after that it will take to get it to a releasable state |
| 03:34.31 | cesurasean | have you seen it earlier than 1 yrs time? |
| 03:34.33 | stew | cesurasean: what do you mean? |
| 03:34.38 | stew | cesurasean: 1 year from what? |
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| 03:34.47 | mdeonte | How's debian on an intel atom? |
| 03:34.48 | cesurasean | from the last release |
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| 03:35.09 | stew | cesurasean: its not going to freeze until over a year after lenny was released |
| 03:35.10 | z0nk3y | hi, im a complete noob and tried googling, but can't find the answer.... whats the command for installing a package ive already downloaded |
| 03:35.35 | cesurasean | z0nk3y, what kind of package? |
| 03:35.40 | z0nk3y | .deb |
| 03:35.40 | cesurasean | file extension? |
| 03:35.44 | cesurasean | dpkg -i |
| 03:35.44 | dpkg | cesurasean: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 03:35.48 | stew | cesurasean: so since we won't have frozen squeeze by the time lenny is a year old (in february), there is no chance of releasing squeeze before lenny is a year old |
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| 03:36.16 | z0nk3y | great, that works, thanks cesurasean |
| 03:36.19 | cesurasean | (9:35:45 PM) dpkg: cesurasean: I wish you would RTFM. - what does this mean? |
| 03:36.36 | stew | cesurasean: the bot is being snarky becuase you are hilightingher |
| 03:36.42 | LinuxGuy2009 | I tried "mount -t iso9660 -o loop image.iso /media/ISO" example from online and it still doesnt show up as a cdrom drive. It just is mounted to he folder specified. Did I miss something or does this not work in debian maybe? |
| 03:37.21 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: what does "show up as a cdrom drive" mean? how would it do that? |
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| 03:38.08 | samantha-c | LinuxGuy2009: the icon you're wanting is associated with physical CDs, eg /dev/cdrom. |
| 03:38.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | stew: Its said that there able to be added as a CDROM apt source by doing this. |
| 03:38.46 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: are you using apt-cdrom? |
| 03:38.48 | samantha-c | LinuxGuy2009: yeah. and? put the path in sources.list. |
| 03:39.33 | LinuxGuy2009 | your missing the point. |
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| 03:39.59 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: what are you expecting it to do that it isn't doing now? |
| 03:40.06 | grandpapadot | dangit! I just iptable'd myself out of my server right before the holiday and I know nobody is going to be there to reboot ... |
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| 03:40.22 | samantha-c | grandpapadot: sucks to be you. |
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| 03:40.30 | grandpapadot | #$* lol |
| 03:40.35 | LinuxGuy2009 | software sources->add cdrom is the reason for my question. |
| 03:40.48 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: where are you seeing that? |
| 03:41.23 | LinuxGuy2009 | system admin software sources. |
| 03:41.36 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: is that the name of some program you are running? |
| 03:42.11 | LinuxGuy2009 | stew: No offense but are you a complete debian noob or? |
| 03:42.29 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: no, I am on the debian team that runs the debian archives |
| 03:42.37 | samantha-c | LinuxGuy2009: stew isn't. But you appear to be. |
| 03:42.56 | stew | LinuxGuy2009: the way one would typically add a cdrom source is with the apt-cdrom utility |
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| 03:43.45 | DogBoy | heh |
| 03:43.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | System-> Admin->Software Sources...third party software tab. add cdrom |
| 03:44.06 | LinuxGuy2009 | its a gui to that I believe |
| 03:44.55 | LinuxGuy2009 | The iso doesnt mount as a cdrom device to be added as a source. Only way it seems to work in debian is to manually add it to the source list. |
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| 03:46.54 | samantha-c | LinuxGuy2009: Yes. |
| 03:46.57 | LinuxGuy2009 | A different debian based distro that I have used before can use "mount -t iso9660 -o loop image.iso /media/ISO" and the iso appears to the system as a hardware cdrom. |
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| 03:53.30 | z0nk3y | Can someone help me find the .deb driver file for my ethernet card atheros ar8131 pcie gigabit ethernet controller ndis6.20 |
| 03:53.36 | z0nk3y | searching everywhere but can't find it |
| 03:55.16 | stew | z0nk3y: do you know the pciid? (the vendorid:deviceid pair?) 'lspci -nn' should help you find it |
| 03:56.47 | z0nk3y | um... i see a line that says Ehternet controller [0200]: Attansic Technology Corp. Device [1969:1063] (rev c0) |
| 03:56.59 | stew | judd: pciid 1969:1063 |
| 03:57.02 | judd | stew: [1969:1063] is 'Unknown device' from 'Attansic Technology Corp.' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'atl1c' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=1969:1063 |
| 03:57.18 | stew | judd: kernels |
| 03:57.19 | judd | stew: Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-19lenny2); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1) |
| 03:57.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | z0nk3y, I kind of feel you're thinking like a windows user... |
| 03:57.50 | z0nk3y | i am a windows users |
| 03:57.55 | z0nk3y | v_v |
| 03:58.05 | z0nk3y | just started using unix |
| 03:58.10 | stew | z0nk3y: so it's not in the lenny kernel, but it is in the sid kernel. you could try the lenny-backports kernel, perhaps, which would be easier and safer to try, but I don't know for sure if it would work |
| 03:58.40 | stew | hmm, we should make judd tell us if its in the backports kernel |
| 03:59.29 | z0nk3y | thanks for your help stew, but... huh? =] i have no idea what your saying |
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| 04:01.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | z0nk3y, so... you don't normally download .deb files yourself - ever - with Debian - aptitude or apt-get do that for you. And for the most part* you don't download drivers, it's either in the kernel or it's not (in which case you need a newer kernel) *(exceptions exist) |
| 04:01.26 | nsadmin | z0nk3y: so give us a clue here... where you goin with this? what attracted you to unix/linux/debian? |
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| 04:02.01 | nsadmin | what do you want to do with it? |
| 04:02.12 | z0nk3y | i want to become a computer security expert! |
| 04:02.38 | stew | z0nk3y: i'd recommend following the instructions on backports.org for adding their repositories, then try installing a their linux-image package |
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| 04:02.41 | stew | z0nk3y: what cpu do you have? |
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| 04:02.45 | nsadmin | oh, so you want to learn by exposing yourself to attack... and you'll need safe ways to do that |
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| 04:03.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | z0nk3y, of course, not downloading .deb's basically limits you to the software that *is* in debian repositories... which isn't as bad with ~30000 packages to pick from |
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| 04:03.28 | z0nk3y | cutme: if i dont have access to the internet (because my ethernet card doesn't work) can i still us the apt |
| 04:03.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, true, only from cdrom |
| 04:04.06 | nsadmin | maybe, but let's find out if we can get it working |
| 04:04.14 | stew | z0nk3y: no, but you can download it by hand and install it |
| 04:04.18 | stew | z0nk3y: what cpu do you have? |
| 04:04.26 | nsadmin | and how much ram |
| 04:04.28 | z0nk3y | stew i have...intel proc su4100 |
| 04:04.39 | z0nk3y | 4gb ram |
| 04:04.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | z0nk3y, that of course is the only exception :) |
| 04:04.47 | stew | z0nk3y: what does "dpkg-architectore | head -1" return? |
| 04:04.47 | nsadmin | plenty plendy |
| 04:04.54 | stew | err |
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| 04:05.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hands stew a typo so he's got a pair |
| 04:05.03 | stew | "dpkg-architecture | head -1" |
| 04:05.43 | stew | or does anyone know what arch that actually is? is it amd64? that's not a cpu I recognize |
| 04:05.55 | nsadmin | well he's got 4g |
| 04:06.21 | nsadmin | presumably that's 64b of some variety |
| 04:06.23 | z0nk3y | dpkg returns "need an action option" |
| 04:06.23 | dpkg | z0nk3y: are you using Windows? |
| 04:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | tee hee |
| 04:06.44 | z0nk3y | on this computer im on windows7 |
| 04:06.47 | nsadmin | dpkg: shuddup! |
| 04:06.47 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 04:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | whoot? |
| 04:06.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg, shaddup |
| 04:06.57 | dpkg | No, I won't, you shaddup, you |
| 04:06.59 | stew | z0nk3y: what command did you type? |
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| 04:07.14 | nsadmin | it likes me bedder! |
| 04:07.20 | nsadmin | :P |
| 04:07.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | but... shuddup is misspelt |
| 04:07.41 | z0nk3y | dpkg-architecture | head -1 |
| 04:08.10 | nsadmin | yeah, type that into your deb |
| 04:08.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyway, see you ladders |
| 04:08.52 | z0nk3y | command not found |
| 04:09.00 | samantha-c | will rtorrent warn me before it runs out of drive space, or preallocate so i don't, or something? |
| 04:09.03 | nsadmin | if I was a ladder I'd get jessica alba to climb up me... |
| 04:09.04 | stew | z0nk3y: in debian? |
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| 04:09.41 | z0nk3y | uh... im using the terminal on debian & gnome |
| 04:09.48 | tensorpudding | is it possible to mount volumes by uuid in lenny? |
| 04:10.00 | nsadmin | sure, it was in etch |
| 04:10.09 | tensorpudding | and if so, how |
| 04:10.26 | nsadmin | well here's a fstab entry... |
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| 04:11.07 | z0nk3y | nsadmin: what'd you mean by "so youre trying to learn by opening yourself up to attack"??? |
| 04:11.09 | samantha-c | tensorpudding: /dev/disk/by-uuid/ |
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| 04:11.26 | tensorpudding | ah, yes, there it is, thanks |
| 04:11.37 | z0nk3y | nsadmin: you mean by using unix my computer is more susceptible to people breaking in? |
| 04:11.51 | z0nk3y | er debian* not unix |
| 04:11.58 | samantha-c | z0nk3y: if you want it to be completely secure, turn it off. |
| 04:11.58 | z0nk3y | if they're... different |
| 04:12.14 | z0nk3y | turn what off? |
| 04:12.19 | samantha-c | your computer. |
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| 04:13.17 | z0nk3y | v_v i know i can't be *completely* secure, im just wondering because from my understanding linux is more secure than windows, but what nsadmin said makes me think the opposite |
| 04:13.19 | samantha-c | security is always a balance between being impeneterable and being usable. |
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| 04:15.06 | icebrain | z0nk3y: I think he meant turning your pc in something like an honeypot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honeypot_(computing) |
| 04:15.12 | nsadmin | no, I mean that you would learn by subjecting yourself to attack (but this is advanced, you want to do things like reading up first) |
| 04:15.55 | nsadmin | there are books and web sites and people that have info |
| 04:16.57 | nsadmin | the thing you wouldn't want to do (today) is go into an irc channel full of 3v11 h4x and taunt them into attacking you... |
| 04:17.22 | nsadmin | but |
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| 04:17.53 | nsadmin | doing so could help you learn faster, once you have a handle on how networking works |
| 04:18.50 | nsadmin | get yourself familiar with monitoring tools and you may also need to know some scripting languages and maybe even compiled languages so you can construct defenses |
| 04:20.17 | nsadmin | this honeypot thing is what I mean; call it "on the job training" |
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| 04:24.45 | nsadmin | two things to keep in mind (given this is not necessarily a good idea): |
| 04:25.28 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:26.16 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:27.05 | nsadmin | this second one could get you into fairly serious trouble, legally and otherwise |
| 04:29.39 | nsadmin | so it's not the greatest of ideas unless you really know what you're doing... even then, it's not great. but, once you do have some experience or at least some information, it's a very fast way to learn (because you either learn very fast or your machine is taken over and the software wiped very fast) |
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| 04:30.24 | nsadmin | much better approach, is to learn unix/linux/whatever (maybe debian if you prefer that) first. |
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| 04:41.19 | jgh40 | when is 'Squeeze' slated to be released? |
| 04:41.23 | jgh40 | or be 'stable' |
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| 04:43.00 | stew | jgh40: we're planning on freezing in march |
| 04:43.06 | stew | jgh40: we don't slate release dates. |
| 04:43.29 | stew | jgh40: it will be released sometime after that whenever the release critical bug count is (near?) zero |
| 04:43.40 | samantha-c | we need trigger in dpkg ... !wir. |
| 04:43.52 | stew | !wir |
| 04:43.53 | dpkg | hmm... wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 04:46.11 | kylei | I'm curious about security updates. Is it the case that security exploits patched in stable still exist in testing and unstable? |
| 04:46.59 | stew | kylei: they are typically patched in unstable at the same time. sometimes they are also patched in testing at the same time, but you shoudln't rely on this |
| 04:47.44 | kylei | how does that all work for software developers? do they have to maintain separate versions of their own code? |
| 04:47.48 | tensorpudding | kylei: http://www.debian.org/security/ lists security advisories, and each lists when/which versions have been fixed |
| 04:47.50 | stew | kylei: there is a testing security team that usually will provide a patch for testing. there are times however that they don't and, for intsance, right after the lenny release, thy just stopped for a while |
| 04:48.27 | stew | kylei: no, debian provides these patches independent of the upstream software authors in most cases |
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| 04:48.49 | tensorpudding | for example, there is a kvm security advisory placed today which has been fixed in stable, but not yet in testing or unstable |
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| 04:49.03 | Meiskam | i'm interested in snooping all bind() commands |
| 04:49.06 | kylei | so the debian packages could be more secure than code avaiable directly from the author? |
| 04:49.17 | stew | kylei: right |
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| 04:49.32 | tensorpudding | stew: do the debian security folk pass these patches upstream? |
| 04:49.41 | stew | tensorpudding: certainly |
| 04:50.18 | stew | tensorpudding: and often they come from upstream, and are backported to whatever version is in debian |
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| 04:50.37 | Meiskam | anyone know an easy way to do this? |
| 04:50.38 | Meiskam | i'm currently looking up compiling a kernal edit, just to make a change to bind |
| 04:50.38 | Meiskam | but i thought i'd rather ask if anyone knew an easier way |
| 04:50.47 | jgh40 | i was more interested in the FreeBSD portion of the release... i am finding some stuff online |
| 04:50.53 | stew | tensorpudding: many times the fix will come from upstream releasing some new version with the fix, but debian doesn't want to release a new version into stable, so the fix from the new version is backported to the version in stable |
| 04:51.32 | Meiskam | ex: i want to log all processes, and their pid, that bind to an ip |
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| 04:52.50 | jgh40 | i was hoping that systemimager would be ported... and then I could run it on FreeBSD, and not have to even deal with Debian, as I mostly run a FreeBSD environment, but have worked for years with Debian |
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| 04:55.16 | Hideo | !fai |
| 04:55.16 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation, an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux (and other distributions) on a bunch of different hosts or a cluster. It is more flexible than tools like <kickstart> for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or jumpstart for Sun Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ #fai on irc.oftc.net. |
| 04:56.44 | jgh40 | grr... does the main server need to be debian? |
| 04:57.32 | jgh40 | looks like it... |
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| 04:59.47 | Hideo | http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/sources/ |
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| 05:01.25 | jgh40 | would the source code build on FreeBSD, though? |
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| 05:01.49 | cesurasean | E: Build-Depends dependency for apache2 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package libaprutil1-dev can satisfy version requirements |
| 05:01.50 | Hideo | I dunno, maybe you should ask #fai |
| 05:01.56 | cesurasean | thats what i get when i did what you told me to do |
| 05:02.07 | stew | cesurasean: you'd have to first backport libaprutil1-dev then |
| 05:02.23 | stew | judd: build-dep libaprutil1-dev --release sid |
| 05:02.23 | cesurasean | the same way? |
| 05:02.24 | judd | stew: apr-util -- BuildDepends: debhelper (>> 5.0.0), autoconf, autotools-dev, mawk, libldap2-dev, libexpat1-dev, libdb4.6-dev, libpcre3-dev, dpatch (>= 1.11), binutils (>= 2.14.90.0.7), libapr1-dev (>= 1.2.7-3), libsqlite3-dev, libpq-dev, python, libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 05:02.32 | stew | cesurasean: yes |
| 05:02.42 | stew | judd: build-dep libapr1-dev --release sid |
| 05:02.43 | judd | stew: apr -- BuildDepends: debhelper (>> 5.0.0), autoconf, autotools-dev, dpatch, mawk, uuid-dev, doxygen |
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| 05:03.28 | jgh40 | grrr... debian builds the best rollouts for images, but not as much support for this in FreeBSD, as far as I can tell.... |
| 05:03.51 | jgh40 | that is why I am very interested in 'Squeeze' |
| 05:03.55 | cesurasean | ok when i do that, i get this: E: Build-Depends dependency for apr-util cannot be satisfied because the package libdb4.8-dev cannot be found |
| 05:04.14 | cesurasean | and, that one gives me this: E: Unable to find a source package for libdb4-8-dev |
| 05:04.23 | cesurasean | whoops |
| 05:04.24 | cesurasean | nm |
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| 05:05.15 | cesurasean | ok, now it needs a lot of different programs... |
| 05:05.22 | cesurasean | i have to upgrade all of those? |
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| 05:07.11 | stew | cesurasean: then yes, you'd have to bakcport libdb, but this is going to start to get crazy |
| 05:07.19 | stew | judd: build-dep libdb4-8-dev --release sid |
| 05:07.21 | Meiskam | how can i intercept sys_bind() calls? |
| 05:07.39 | stew | Meiskam: with LD_PRELOAD? |
| 05:07.52 | cesurasean | yes, that idea is crazy. |
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| 05:08.55 | stew | hmm libdb4.8-dev doesn't seem to exist |
| 05:09.07 | stew | oh, libdb does weird things with Provides, doesn't it |
| 05:09.59 | stew | hmm, perhpas it backports though |
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| 05:13.07 | Meiskam | stew, thanks -- i'll look into it further |
| 05:13.07 | Meiskam | it seems I can use this |
| 05:15.04 | stew | Meiskam: the source of the snoopy package is probably a good source to look at for using LD_PRELOAD |
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| 05:19.09 | Meiskam | i can't seem to locate the source for the package snoopy |
| 05:19.53 | stew | judd: versions snoopy |
| 05:19.53 | judd | stew: snoopy -- etch: 1.3-13 lenny: 1.3-15 sid: 1.3-15 |
| 05:19.58 | stew | judd: src snoopy |
| 05:19.58 | judd | stew: snoopy -- Source: snoopy |
| 05:20.09 | stew | Meiskam: http://packages.debian.org/snoopy |
| 05:20.59 | Meiskam | aha, thanks again |
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| 05:30.49 | Meiskam | oh i see, my apt-cache was out of date |
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| 05:54.29 | samantha-c | will rtorrent warn me before it runs out of drive space, or preallocate so i don't, or something? |
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| 06:06.36 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:06.37 | dpkg | <feerf> ok, the main think that does not work in Woody is that Woody is way too old (like museum now) |
| 06:07.05 | liable | samantha-c: i would imagine it will just fail |
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| 06:07.41 | liable | samantha-c: dont you think it would be a good idea if you are going to download a torrent, to make sure you have room for it? |
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| 06:11.52 | samantha-c | liable: the problem is the torrent is large enough to be within the margin of rounding on the space display. |
| 06:13.38 | heffay | I've got two computers both running squeeze but with different hardware. One is working fine and the other has problems with applications crashing. I'm not sure how to begin troubleshooting. |
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| 06:45.26 | mabel | Hello. I have a DSL connection and I want to connect to it at startup. The following script does the trick: http://pastebin.com/m40ca37b2 However, I'd like to use /etc/network/interfaces because I think that's cleaner. This is what I have in that file now: http://pastebin.com/m6d6812f5 And it's not connecting at startup. Any ideas on what should I do? |
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| 06:45.51 | umarzuki | hi all |
| 06:46.28 | umarzuki | [ot], what is the meaning of tier architecture in backup solution? |
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| 07:05.50 | tempoe | How I can recreate /var/log/lastlog because I get error /var/log/lastlog: No such file or directory |
| 07:06.02 | tempoe | . |
| 07:08.42 | valdyn | mabel: dsl-provider is your connect script |
| 07:08.58 | valdyn | mabel: why is it used where the interface should be? |
| 07:09.18 | mabel | valdyn: That file was generated by pppoeconf from scratch. |
| 07:09.55 | valdyn | mabel: use your pon script and check the interface name |
| 07:10.34 | valdyn | mabel: you can list interfaces with "ifconfig" |
| 07:10.35 | z0nk3y | #fluxbox |
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| 07:12.43 | mabel | valdyn: There's a ppp0 interface. Should I replace dsl-provider with ppp0 in that file? |
| 07:13.02 | babilen | valdyn: you can use any name for the interface |
| 07:13.16 | valdyn | babilen: ok |
| 07:13.29 | babilen | mabel: what happen when you run 'ifup dsl-provider' ? |
| 07:14.42 | mabel | $ sudo ifup dsl-provider |
| 07:14.47 | babilen | valdyn: You can for example have an interface 'home' and another interface 'cafe' and so on .. Quite handy actually if you have to start vpn clients, or something like that |
| 07:15.07 | babilen | mabel: yes, that would be the command ;-) |
| 07:15.30 | mabel | babilen: Sorry, I was about to copy the output and I realized that wasn't a good idea. |
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| 07:15.51 | valdyn | !paste |
| 07:15.51 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics. Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>. |
| 07:15.53 | babilen | mabel: you can paste the output to http://paste.debian.net |
| 07:16.05 | mabel | http://pastebin.com/m64ab23c4 |
| 07:16.24 | valdyn | mabel: that looks good |
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| 07:17.01 | valdyn | mabel: whats the output for "ifconfig dsl-provider" now? |
| 07:17.37 | mabel | valdyn: Something like "not found" in my language. |
| 07:17.44 | valdyn | mabel: as root |
| 07:17.50 | mabel | Yes, as root. |
| 07:17.54 | valdyn | mabel: or sudo /sbin/ifconfig |
| 07:18.04 | mabel | No. |
| 07:18.07 | mabel | ifconfig is found. |
| 07:18.12 | mabel | dsl-provider is not. |
| 07:18.17 | valdyn | mabel: ok |
| 07:18.31 | valdyn | mabel: im guessing you dont really have a bridging modem |
| 07:18.33 | babilen | mabel: as valdyn says: looks good. one minor tweak ... change the pre-up line to: 'pre-up ip link set eth0 up' |
| 07:18.40 | mabel | I don't have much idea about this, but it seems dsl-provider is not the name of a normal interface. |
| 07:18.58 | valdyn | mabel: as babilen said, you can name the ppp interface anything you want |
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| 07:19.57 | mabel | So the file that pppoeconf generates is bad? |
| 07:20.06 | valdyn | mabel: do what babilen said first |
| 07:20.26 | mabel | valdyn: Ok. Let me try. I'll have to disconnect. |
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| 07:20.31 | valdyn | mabel: most isps nowadays dont give away bridging modems |
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| 07:21.27 | valdyn | mabel: now if what babilen said does not help try *only* "dhclient eth0" |
| 07:21.46 | datzy | hi, how can I get cat output for F1 key, it is linked to help menu? |
| 07:21.57 | babilen | valdyn: it will not help, it's just a minor tweak |
| 07:22.12 | valdyn | babilen: yea |
| 07:22.31 | freaky[t]_ | anyone knows hat i can do against this: |
| 07:22.31 | freaky[t]_ | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/oidentd_2.0.8-3_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 07:22.32 | freaky[t]_ | trying to overwrite '/etc/logcheck/ignore.d.server/oidentd', which is also in package logcheck-database 0:1.3.4 |
| 07:22.32 | dpkg | freaky[t]_: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 07:22.33 | babilen | good luck ... i'll be back later |
| 07:23.37 | freaky[t]_ | can anyone help me with this: http://pastebin.ca/1725758 ? |
| 07:23.43 | valdyn | poof |
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| 07:24.25 | xxtjaxx | Hi everyone |
| 07:24.28 | valdyn | freaky[t]_: it means that 2 packages have the same named file |
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| 07:24.48 | valdyn | freaky[t]_: that happens when you dont use debian/stable |
| 07:24.51 | mabel | Ok. Nothing happened. I had to run my script again in order to get connected. |
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| 07:25.19 | valdyn | mabel: give me the whole ifconfig output and the "route" output now that you are connected |
| 07:25.20 | freaky[t]_ | valdyn what can i do about it? |
| 07:25.49 | valdyn | freaky[t]_: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/oidentd_2.0.8-3_amd64.deb |
| 07:25.58 | freaky[t]_ | valdyn thank you :D |
| 07:26.00 | valdyn | freaky[t]_: that's evil |
| 07:26.47 | mabel | valdyn: There: http://pastebin.com/m3c675976 |
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| 07:27.59 | freaky[t]_ | valdyn thank you :D |
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| 07:30.52 | valdyn | mabel: manual should be dhcp to match your script |
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| 07:32.44 | mabel | valdyn: Ok. And I already replaced the pre-up line with the line you both gave me. |
| 07:32.49 | mabel | Should I retry? |
| 07:33.04 | babilen | mabel: you are missing loopback btw, use http://paste.pocoo.org/show/159344/ |
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| 07:34.09 | mabel | babilen: Ok. Let me try. |
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| 07:38.42 | mabel | Didn't work. |
| 07:38.58 | mabel | These were ifconfig and route after rebooting: http://pastebin.com/m18f9b48f |
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| 07:39.26 | mabel | Oh, I stopped the "route" with a Ctrl+C, sorry. If you need it full I can reboot and do it again. |
| 07:40.02 | mabel | It seems this configuration never lets ppp0 up. |
| 07:40.09 | babilen | mabel: it should be 'manual' instead of 'dhcp' sorry ... |
| 07:40.32 | mabel | babilen: Ok. |
| 07:40.34 | babilen | mabel: and you don't have to reboot. Just run 'ifup dsl-provider' |
| 07:41.20 | mabel | babilen: No. If I do that I'll keep being connected and won't notice any changes. We tried that before. |
| 07:41.32 | mabel | babilen: Ok. Any other change? |
| 07:42.20 | babilen | mabel: you would have to take the ppp0 interface down before (ifdown ppp0) |
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| 07:42.50 | babilen | mabel: and eth0 |
| 07:43.02 | mabel | mabel@mabel-desktop:~$ sudo ifdown ppp0 |
| 07:43.02 | mabel | ifdown: interface ppp0 not configured |
| 07:43.05 | SmokeyD | hey people, how can I check on the commandline if there is an empty disc present in my cdrw drive (I have wodim installed)? |
| 07:43.19 | mabel | If it's not in /etc/network/interfaces then that command doesn't work. |
| 07:43.30 | babilen | mabel: ah, can you paste the output of ifconfig now? |
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| 07:44.26 | tempoe | When I run aptitude full-upgrade I get messae: "Score is 242". What that means? |
| 07:44.32 | mabel | babilen: http://pastebin.com/m13f0c12a |
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| 07:45.40 | babilen | mabel: i guess it'll be poff dsl-provider then ... But I have never used ppp, so I am actually not the best guide in this |
| 07:46.28 | babilen | tempoe: That is most certainly not the complete output. Paste that and we might be able to help |
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| 07:52.47 | heffay | Any one having problems with flash/youtube with nvidia gpu? |
| 07:52.53 | heffay | like the browser crashing? |
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| 07:53.50 | liable | flash just generally sucks. doesnt matter the gpu |
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| 07:57.26 | mabel | Ok. It's fixed. |
| 07:57.55 | mabel | ifup -a wasn't working because there was setting in NetworkManager's configuration that had to be changed. |
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| 07:59.55 | babilen | mabel: it's all working now, or what is fixed? It might also help if you rename the dsl-provider interface to ppp0 and try it without all the eth0 stuff. |
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| 08:01.25 | mabel | babilen: It's working. |
| 08:01.57 | mabel | babilen: I changed dsl-provider interface to ppp0, and changed that NetworkManager setting. Now it connects automatically. |
| 08:02.06 | mabel | I think this last setting was the problem. |
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| 08:03.31 | babilen | mabel: the network-mangler? yes, definitely ... but now you even have a loopback device :-D |
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| 08:04.24 | mabel | babilen: What's that for? |
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| 08:05.03 | babilen | !tell mabel -about lo |
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| 08:08.35 | mabel | babilen: I wish I could understand what I have done with that configuration. |
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| 08:08.42 | babilen | mabel: it's used for local communication ... |
| 08:08.58 | babilen | mabel: what is it you don't understand right now? |
| 08:08.59 | mabel | babilen: No, I was talking about the whole interfaces file. |
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| 08:12.50 | uwjesd | Any place where I can find doxygen support? |
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| 08:21.26 | tempoe | Is there any reason why use aptitude rather than apt-get? |
| 08:21.37 | babilen | !why aptitude |
| 08:21.37 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 08:21.44 | liable | !lose me |
| 08:21.44 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 08:22.03 | liable | i dunno if thats still relevant |
| 08:22.15 | liable | but its the standard #debian response.. |
| 08:22.50 | tempoe | Ok, can I use them mixed? |
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| 08:23.06 | liable | not a good idea. |
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| 08:23.24 | liable | they keep there own databases of installed packages |
| 08:23.39 | babilen | the search factoid is true as is the dependency resolution ... what do you mean liable? The removal of auto installed packages? |
| 08:24.14 | liable | babilen: yes, aptitude can go a bit crazy with autoremove when you have been using apt-get |
| 08:24.46 | babilen | liable: yes, sure. That was a reply to 'i dunno if that's still relevant' |
| 08:25.06 | shylent | hm, is it normal, that I am unable to mount / , that is situated on a LVM LV during Lenny installation? |
| 08:25.12 | liable | ok |
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| 08:27.10 | sobersabre | hi, I'm getting a logcheck annoyance suddenly. |
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| 08:27.50 | sobersabre | I changed the configuration, but it seems it doesn't get updated. |
| 08:27.53 | sobersabre | what shall |
| 08:28.02 | liable | lennys logcheck is very noisy. theres a bug for it |
| 08:28.18 | liable | the bug report has a fix |
| 08:28.33 | liable | the DD didn't seem to care though |
| 08:28.56 | sobersabre | liable: what's the keyword I shall google for this bug ? |
| 08:29.43 | liable | sobersabre: bugs.debian.org logcheck |
| 08:29.48 | heffay | shylent, is your LV lvm2? |
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| 08:31.33 | sobersabre | liable: thanks. |
| 08:31.41 | liable | np |
| 08:32.42 | shylent | heffay: I am not sure, I've created the VG from the installer |
| 08:32.53 | shylent | in fdisk it says just "linux lvm" |
| 08:33.21 | liable | thats a partition type |
| 08:33.32 | shylent | right |
| 08:33.45 | sobersabre | liable: I am looking at the webpage. it has a lot of bugs there. which one are you referring to ? |
| 08:33.46 | shylent | ahh I see, sorry, I still mess up the lvm terminology |
| 08:34.05 | heffay | codecs* |
| 08:34.17 | liable | sobersabre: dunno. there is one that mentions a fix for the noisy mail |
| 08:34.37 | liable | sobersabre: i'm not going to look for you :P |
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| 08:35.46 | shylent | Actually, it doesn't show which (lvm/lvm2) type of volume it is in the installer |
| 08:36.01 | heffay | anyone running kde4 here? |
| 08:36.28 | liable | !anyone use |
| 08:36.28 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 08:36.40 | heffay | haha |
| 08:36.58 | Tapout2 | i want to monitor the 'seeks' on my drives and graph them.. anyone point me to the right direction? |
| 08:37.36 | sobersabre | liable: the weird thing is I started getting the lots of email only 3 days ago, and upto then I didn't get any noise. so it must be either an upgrade, with something messed up or I had some change in exim server setup. |
| 08:37.46 | liable | you can watch it by echoing 1 to block_dump somewhere in /proc |
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| 08:38.10 | liable | sobersabre: did you just upgrade from etch? |
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| 08:40.43 | sobersabre | not "just". and I don't see any logcheck or exim4 updates... |
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| 08:46.44 | virtualint | how can i disable a php extension in debian lenny, i want to disable gettext extension for php i cant find the file for the configuration, i mean php.ini does not have the line to do that. (i use slackware and it extensions loading configuration loaded in php.ini) |
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| 09:03.12 | Krooks | I run startx at a machine. Then I have KDE running. Then I start Firefox. Now, is it possible in any way for me to see this firefox that is started on another machine ? |
| 09:03.12 | JyZyXEL | USB Memory with 3 meter USB extension |
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| 09:27.53 | virtualint | how can i disable gettext support for php in debian lenny |
| 09:27.55 | smhar | greetings |
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| 09:43.37 | flourish | hi all ,my server is running debain lenny i386. and these days i found there is an anonymous ip address when using command who. How can i do. I guest maybe someone hack in my server |
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| 09:47.11 | TangentCollision | flourish: can you trace it at all? |
| 09:47.30 | TangentCollision | run a traceroute on the IP |
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| 09:50.31 | flourish | TangentCollision: and then |
| 09:50.45 | TangentCollision | and then, pastebin the results |
| 09:51.01 | TangentCollision | unless it's so anon that it doesn't show upp |
| 09:51.20 | TangentCollision | in which case, thermite can cure everything |
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| 09:53.05 | flourish | http://pastebin.ca/1725808 |
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| 09:55.46 | flourish | TangentCollision: any idea? |
| 09:56.12 | TangentCollision | oh, one sec |
| 09:56.24 | TangentCollision | need to switch over to X |
| 09:56.32 | flourish | ^_^ |
| 09:56.53 | ethanol | flourish: uh.. http://ibot.rikers.org/%23debian/20090828.html.gz |
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| 09:57.08 | ethanol | flourish: that ip and your name are mentioned in that chat log. seems like it is you, yourself |
| 09:57.34 | ethanol | ( 222.128.254.130 ) |
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| 09:58.38 | flourish | ethanol: stranger! when i ssh to my server, i got another ip address which i know |
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| 10:01.32 | retedext | hola! |
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| 10:04.05 | TangentCollision | flourish: I'm checking your scan, I'm guessing the last IP on the pastebin is the one you TR'd |
| 10:04.20 | ethanol | I'm telling you, it's himself |
| 10:04.24 | ethanol | probably from some other location |
| 10:04.27 | ethanol | like work or something |
| 10:05.59 | TangentCollision | that's what I want to check, lol |
| 10:06.16 | flourish | here i am using an fixed ip. strange |
| 10:07.36 | flourish | ethanol: how can i see the irc log of today? |
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| 10:07.53 | Stealth | hello there |
| 10:08.15 | Stealth | i have 2 nics, connected to 2 diff networks |
| 10:08.30 | Stealth | how do i setup default gw for only the specified one? |
| 10:08.50 | Stealth | just post-up under the needed device? |
| 10:09.12 | TangentCollision | ifconfig stuff should work |
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| 10:10.01 | flourish | Thanks for your answer. Merry Christmas! |
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| 10:10.14 | Stealth | TangentCollision: i'm about /etc/network/interfaces … |
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| 10:11.38 | TangentCollision | ah |
| 10:11.51 | TangentCollision | you should be able to define independantly |
| 10:12.52 | TangentCollision | such as eth0 { GATEWAY=192.168.2.1 } eth1 { GATEWAY=10.1.100.1 } |
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| 10:13.00 | Stealth | TangentCollision, I have 2 interfaces, and get both ips via dhcp |
| 10:13.03 | TangentCollision | but you might want to rtfm on interfaces |
| 10:13.10 | Stealth | did that ofc |
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| 10:13.18 | TangentCollision | but it's not working? |
| 10:13.47 | Stealth | TangentCollision, well, i need default gw |
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| 10:14.19 | TangentCollision | :P now you're just going in circles |
| 10:15.10 | TangentCollision | open up a text editor, write out your full question, google the parts that are missing, and if you don't get an answer, you should at least know exactly what to ask |
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| 10:15.41 | ShishKabab | Hi. When I plug in my MP3 player in under Debian Sid the last message from dmesg is "usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning" and it just hangs at this and the /dev/sdb device won't show. This guy has the same problem: http://forums.opensuse.org/hardware/408647-usb-storage-waiting-device-settle-before-scanning.html. Any suggestions? |
| 10:15.44 | smhar | I just got a wimax internet connection. It is supplied with a 'Tilgin' router that has both ethernet ports and a wifi hotspot. I can connect using eth in both windows and debian. but I can only access wifi in windows. the same laptop works fine in other places using wifi (ie. internet cafe) |
| 10:16.13 | smhar | iwlist scan lists the the router but I can not connect to it |
| 10:16.29 | TangentCollision | smhar: does it have a key? |
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| 10:18.59 | smhar | TangentCollision, yes. in windows, after clicking the name of the router it asks and it works when supplied. in debian. I added the essid to /etc/network/interfaces but when trying ifup eth1 (as usual) it just keeps searching for the dhcp |
| 10:19.45 | TangentCollision | smhar: what kind of protection does the connection have in perfection? |
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| 10:21.55 | Firefishe | In general, how does one invoke an fsck at boot time? |
| 10:22.36 | greenmang0 | Firefishe: touch /.forcefsck |
| 10:23.20 | greenmang0 | Firefishe: oops... remove "." (dot) |
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| 10:23.42 | smhar | TangentCollision, according tho the webadmin it is wpa. and the and there is the PSK that I need to supply to connect |
| 10:24.04 | TangentCollision | smhar: you need to be connecting with wpa_supplicant |
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| 10:24.36 | Firefishe | greenmang0: This would be invoked when? Surely not at login? |
| 10:25.32 | TangentCollision | smhar: try apt-get install wpa_supplicant, if you want a simple tutorial for how to use it, you can pm me |
| 10:25.38 | Firefishe | greenmang0: My main concern is making sure the / partition is not mounted. |
| 10:26.16 | smhar | TangentCollision, these are the options available in the webadmin: (none, WEP, WPA, WPA2, WPA/WPA2). which one should I use? -other than none of course :-) |
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| 10:27.11 | TangentCollision | smhar: I do not know what this "webadmin" is, I apologize |
| 10:27.49 | smhar | TangentCollision, it is the web interface for the administering the router |
| 10:28.30 | smhar | TangentCollision, it seems that this router supports those Security modes, so which one is the best to use? |
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| 10:32.55 | TangentCollision | smhar: I'm not concerned with that, I am concerned with what the CURRENT security of the router is |
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| 10:36.33 | Hideo | Stealth: if you were asking about changing the default gateway to use one prefered interface then, "ip route change to default via <gateway ip> dev <prefered nic>" |
| 10:37.11 | Stealth | yes yes, that was that! |
| 10:37.16 | Hideo | Stealth: you can put that in your post-up line in /etc/network/interfaces if you like |
| 10:37.17 | Stealth | thank a lot Hideo |
| 10:37.26 | Hideo | np |
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| 10:37.40 | Stealth | hmm Hideo |
| 10:37.45 | Stealth | it uses iproute? |
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| 10:37.49 | Hideo | yes |
| 10:37.57 | Stealth | Hideo, i've found another solution :) |
| 10:38.10 | Hideo | cool =) |
| 10:38.23 | Stealth | post-up route del default gw $unpreferred_gw |
| 10:38.24 | Stealth | :) |
| 10:38.45 | Stealth | though it needs to be unpreferred_gw known |
| 10:39.02 | Stealth | which might be non-static when it goes from dhcp |
| 10:39.09 | Hideo | ah, so I assume that the only one gw left will then automatically take over as default |
| 10:39.15 | Stealth | yep |
| 10:39.40 | Hideo | !congrats |
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| 10:39.53 | Stealth | thanks :) |
| 10:39.56 | Stealth | but heh |
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| 10:40.27 | Stealth | is there any way to get gw from nic-name? |
| 10:41.13 | Hideo | you can always grep output of "ip route ls" |
| 10:41.28 | Stealth | i don't wanna have iproute installed :) |
| 10:41.32 | Stealth | ifconfig/route |
| 10:41.35 | Stealth | commands |
| 10:41.43 | Stealth | hehe, is it possible? :) |
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| 10:42.25 | Hideo | oh, route should tell you no? I haven't used it much, I prefer ip |
| 10:42.56 | Stealth | hmm |
| 10:43.08 | Stealth | route | grep $nic | grep default | awk '{print $2}' |
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| 10:43.33 | greenmang0 | Firefishe: when you touch /forcefsck and reboot your system... fsck is invoked |
| 10:43.46 | Hideo | Stealth: that should do it |
| 10:43.50 | Stealth | yea |
| 10:43.54 | greenmang0 | Firefishe: when you touch /fastboot and reboot your system ... fsck is not invoked |
| 10:44.00 | Stealth | but i need to minimize at least grep cmd |
| 10:44.02 | Stealth | 2 -> 1 |
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| 10:44.21 | TangentCollision | smhar: any lucks? |
| 10:44.24 | Firefishe | greenmang0: I see. |
| 10:44.35 | Firefishe | greenmang0: do I do that as root, btw? |
| 10:44.57 | Hideo | Stealth: you don't need the first grep |
| 10:45.02 | greenmang0 | Firefishe: all your partitions will be "fsck"ed |
| 10:45.21 | greenmang0 | Firefishe: you have to be a superuser to touch /forcefsck |
| 10:45.24 | Stealth | Hideo, why? |
| 10:45.25 | smhar | trying to find the wpa_supplicant package, not in apt-get |
| 10:45.33 | Stealth | Hideo, it adds one more gw |
| 10:45.38 | Hideo | Stealth: b/c there should only one default no? |
| 10:45.38 | Stealth | via dhcp |
| 10:45.43 | Firefishe | greenmang0: Will that include the win/vista ntfs partition, or not? |
| 10:45.50 | Stealth | nono, i mean on the init stage |
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| 10:46.00 | greenmang0 | smhar: aptitude search wpa |
| 10:46.27 | greenmang0 | Firefishe: good question... ;) i don't know |
| 10:46.50 | Firefishe | greenmang0: Thank you very much for your assistance |
| 10:46.57 | Firefishe | time to work |
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| 10:47.26 | Hideo | Stealth: route | sed '/$nic/!d;/default/!d' | awk '{print $2}' |
| 10:47.30 | rgr | (add-to-list 'gnus-secondary-select-methods |
| 10:47.30 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.30 | rgr | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.35 | rgr | sorry |
| 10:47.54 | greenmang0 | smhar: aptitude install wpasupplicant |
| 10:48.17 | Stealth | Hideo, yes :) |
| 10:48.54 | smhar | found and installing |
| 10:49.43 | Hideo | Stealth: I'm sure there are more elegant solutions, but what the hell |
| 10:49.50 | Stealth | :D |
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| 10:52.34 | virtualint | how can i configure daemons to run on boot in debian |
| 10:52.45 | virtualint | is there a command like pkgtool in slackware? |
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| 10:53.19 | virtualint | i mean there is a servicesconfig in pkgtool |
| 10:53.32 | jelly | virtualint: what does it do? |
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| 10:53.42 | virtualint | hello jelly |
| 10:53.42 | greenmang0 | virtualint: update-rc.d |
| 10:54.23 | jelly | virtualint: try looking at /msg dpkg rcconf, or /msg dpkg sysv-rc-conf |
| 10:54.37 | virtualint | thanks jelly greenmang0 |
| 10:54.58 | virtualint | i guess update-rc.d -f samba remove is what i want |
| 10:55.46 | jelly | not really. If you remove all links in /etc/rc?.d/, an upgrade of the package will reinstate them all |
| 10:56.13 | virtualint | i remember there a was a console tool for system daemons in debian |
| 10:56.27 | jelly | virtualint: instead of doing that, just remove the /etc/rc2.d/S??samba link |
| 10:56.53 | thrashold | virtualint: There's probably want to edit something in /etc/default/samba that would disable the daemon |
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| 10:57.02 | thrashold | virtualint: Or you can just uninstall samba |
| 10:57.09 | smhar | TangentCollision, ok.. installed.. now what? there is no wpa_supplicant.conf in /etc |
| 10:57.28 | virtualint | thrashold, :) |
| 10:58.50 | greenmang0 | virtualint: as jelly already pointed out... the console tool you are looking for is "rcconf" |
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| 10:59.37 | virtualint | thanks for rcconf |
| 10:59.40 | virtualint | thanks guys |
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| 10:59.54 | virtualint | and one more question how can i disable php gettext extension in php |
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| 11:00.03 | cahoot | smhar: use the example conf in /usr/share/doc/wpa... as tempalte |
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| 11:00.14 | virtualint | i couldnt find a line to uncomment like extension=gettext.so |
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| 11:01.11 | honey-badger | hello everybody |
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| 11:02.30 | honey-badger | i m looking for 64 bit intel debian buisness card what should i go for. IA64 or amd64 |
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| 11:05.48 | penta | hi, anybody here use kdevelop? |
| 11:06.06 | honey-badger | i m looking for 64 bit intel debian buisness card what should i go for. IA64 or amd64 |
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| 11:06.44 | ApEtc | business card? |
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| 11:07.22 | honey-badger | minimal net install cd image |
| 11:07.49 | ali3n0 | hi everybody. Just wondering: atd is disapparead from debian? |
| 11:07.52 | ApEtc | What CPU do you have? |
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| 11:08.19 | ApEtc | If you have an Itanium, you want IA64. Pretty much anything else that is 64-bit you want amd65. |
| 11:08.21 | ApEtc | amd64 |
| 11:11.56 | honey-badger | i have intel 64 bit core 2 quad xeon |
| 11:12.16 | ApEtc | amd64 |
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| 11:13.02 | honey-badger | thanks |
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| 11:21.29 | ali3n0 | anyone knows how to run a command just once at a defined time? I was used to use "at" but seems it is disappared somehow |
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| 11:21.51 | jamesstanley | Xen 3.2.1 out of apt gets a "fatal early page fault", so I compiled Xen 3.4.2, and this just produces an entirely blank screen and resets the machine. Adding "noreboot" shows that it is just a blank screen with no output at all |
| 11:21.55 | jamesstanley | Does anyone know how I can get either of these Xen versions to work? |
| 11:24.56 | jamesstanley | Oooh. Just noticed that 3.4.2 is in apt now |
| 11:24.59 | jamesstanley | I'm trying that one |
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| 11:27.12 | babilen | ali3n0: I would think of at as well. Why has it disappeared? |
| 11:27.17 | babilen | judd: versions at |
| 11:27.18 | judd | babilen: at -- etch: 3.1.10 lenny: 3.1.10.2 sid: 3.1.12-1 squeeze: 3.1.12-1 |
| 11:27.35 | babilen | ali3n0: it's there ^^^ |
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| 11:30.07 | mjt | Hello. After switching from lenny to -testing (in order to activate mouse wheel buttons in X), taps in my synaptics stopped working (like mouse clicks and drags by tapping a finger on the touchpad area). The X server correctly loads synaptics driver for this device. Any way to get it back? |
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| 11:30.59 | babilen | mjt: You really switched to testing for mouse whell button support? What was wrong in lenny? |
| 11:31.00 | jamesstanley | Same result with 3.4 from apt |
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| 11:32.53 | babilen | mjt: Read XStrikeForce in the wiki ... You need to configure you touchpad via hal. Basically: Copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/20thirdparty/11-x11-synaptics.fdi to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi and adapt to your needs |
| 11:33.17 | mjt | babilen: evdev (where wheel buttons work - mouse driver does not recognize them) needs device name (/dev/input/eventN) but these are dynamic (I use usb mouse), so X with HAL support was necessary. It was a long and painful story. |
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| 11:35.28 | mjt | babilen: and yes, lenny=>testing _just_ for wheel buttons. Logitech driver for windows is better in this respect - only 90Mb installer for mouse driver of ~100kb... |
| 11:35.47 | babilen | really? |
| 11:35.57 | mjt | really what? |
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| 11:36.04 | SollLock | If I wish to have public dns for my domain, do I need to register dns servers with registar? |
| 11:36.05 | babilen | really 90MB? |
| 11:36.16 | mjt | about 92 |
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| 11:36.30 | babilen | mjt: o_O - insane |
| 11:36.42 | mjt | well, lenny=>testing is MUCH larger |
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| 11:37.46 | SSL` | SollLock no need to register dns server with registrar |
| 11:37.54 | babilen | mjt: anyway, read the XStrikeForce article and copy that file. It should work then. You can try these settings with synclient. If you, for example, want to enable tapping, you would do "synclient TapButton1=1" |
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| 11:38.26 | SollLock | SSL`: but how the hell would anybody find me? :) |
| 11:38.27 | babilen | quhan: what? could you rephrase that question please? |
| 11:38.44 | f00li5h[HireMe] | is there a way I can search for packages by debconf messges? |
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| 11:39.01 | mjt | heck. Synclient - apparently - does not work on remote X... |
| 11:39.05 | quhan | e... |
| 11:39.08 | SSL` | SollLock you need static ip, a domaine name from a registrar, and bind installed on your machine |
| 11:39.24 | quhan | I want to know something about the database software oracle |
| 11:39.28 | virtualint | hello |
| 11:39.38 | virtualint | i want to ask a question |
| 11:39.39 | quhan | it has a version XE, can be used free |
| 11:39.55 | virtualint | i cant unload gettext extension for php in debian lenny, how can i do that? |
| 11:40.05 | quhan | But it also has some limited |
| 11:40.26 | babilen | quhan: wrong channel here, I am afraid. Oracle is not supported here ... and I doubt that XE is free as defined in the DFSG |
| 11:40.46 | quhan | for example, has use 1G ram, and one core |
| 11:40.56 | babilen | quhan: There is #oracle |
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| 11:41.32 | quhan | Yes, but noone tell me |
| 11:41.41 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: I don't know a place. What is it you are searching for? |
| 11:41.56 | quhan | And i use a debian system |
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| 11:41.59 | babilen | quhan: Be patient! How long did you wait? |
| 11:42.06 | SollLock | SSL`: I know what I dont understand is how is my dns contacted / found? |
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| 11:42.10 | babilen | quhan: Oracle is *not* supported in here |
| 11:42.17 | ali3n0 | babilen: uh... maybe is a problem with my apt repo than... I'll have a look, thanks |
| 11:42.27 | mjt | quhan: which XStrikeForce wiki page do you mean? InputHotplugGuide? |
| 11:42.27 | quhan | thanx |
| 11:42.34 | mjt | er |
| 11:42.37 | babilen | ali3n0: good hunt |
| 11:42.53 | mjt | babilen: which XStrikeForce wiki page do you mean? InputHotplugGuide? :) |
| 11:43.43 | babilen | mjt: http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce and yes, the InputHotPlugGuide ... have you already copied and adapted the fdi file? |
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| 11:45.10 | mjt | babilen: i copied it, but the thing is - now i have to figure the parameters to set. In lenny and all versions before it just worked |
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| 11:45.40 | mjt | man synaptics gives about 50 various parameters. |
| 11:46.04 | mjt | maybe reinstall lenny and see the values from there... |
| 11:46.07 | babilen | mjt: What do you want? |
| 11:46.15 | mjt | taps ;) |
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| 11:46.38 | mjt | touching the touchpad twice produced single click |
| 11:46.54 | babilen | mjt: I'll let you have a look at my configuration. It enables taps and scrolling |
| 11:47.22 | mjt | touching twice and holding and moving finger was like click and move without releasing the button. etc |
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| 11:47.57 | mjt | i never used the corner areas, but the right button is so nice thing... |
| 11:47.58 | mjt | ;) |
| 11:48.10 | babilen | mjt: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/159366/ |
| 11:48.10 | mjt | or left really :) |
| 11:48.20 | xingu | multitouch is a nice thing, two finger scrolling ftw! |
| 11:48.56 | mjt | xingu: for now, nothing beyong simple mouse moving works here... ;) |
| 11:49.03 | mjt | s/mouse/cursor/ |
| 11:49.59 | babilen | mjt: that's a start. But I think you will have to configure it yourself. Are you using Gnome or KDE? |
| 11:50.32 | mjt | gnome |
| 11:50.52 | mjt | babilen: yeah i see. but i think i know where my problem is. |
| 11:50.54 | babilen | I would expect gnome to have some "mouse configuration" dialogue |
| 11:51.03 | mjt | # synclient -l |
| 11:51.03 | mjt | Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded? |
| 11:51.18 | babilen | sorry, can't check as i use neither Gnome nor KDE |
| 11:51.40 | f00li5h[HireMe] | babilen: "is the system clock set to GMT?" |
| 11:52.36 | babilen | mjt: install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics |
| 11:53.51 | mjt | it's installed and according to Xorg.log it's loaded |
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| 11:56.51 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: Just edit /etc/default/rcS if you want to change that. |
| 11:56.51 | virtualint | hello guys i m stuck how can i disable a php extension on lenny ? ( i cant find how to do it as a slack guy it is easy u just uncomment the line u want o unload ) |
| 11:57.27 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: Don't know which package that is .. |
| 11:57.38 | mjt | aargh. |
| 11:57.44 | mjt | input.x11_driver = 'evdev' (string) |
| 11:57.58 | mjt | input.product = 'SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad' (string) |
| 11:58.13 | babilen | evdev != synaptics |
| 11:58.19 | mjt | here we go ;) |
| 11:58.44 | babilen | mjt: You might want to trim your xorgl.conf a little |
| 11:58.51 | mjt | it's empty |
| 11:59.17 | mjt | and hal has nothing to do with xorg.conf really (the above was from lshal) |
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| 12:00.51 | mjt | now it's interesting. |
| 12:00.57 | mjt | info.capabilities = {'input', 'input.keys', 'button'} (string list) |
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| 12:01.41 | mjt | so it does not report itself as touchpad |
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| 12:02.56 | babilen | mjt: Yes, i thought that your xorg.conf forced these values. Not that they are detected wrongly ... sorry |
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| 12:03.54 | mjt | ok, so it's kernel or hal. |
| 12:03.56 | mjt | oh well. |
| 12:04.01 | mjt | babilen: thanks anyway! |
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| 12:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'iotop.py' returned no results. |
| 12:05.11 | babilen | mjt: You would normally match on the capabilities in the policy file. |
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| 12:05.49 | mjt | figured. As far as capabilities are detected correctly (which are not obviously) |
| 12:05.53 | babilen | mjt: As yours is not reporting the capabilities you might want to match on something else and set the other values. |
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| 12:06.12 | jelly | judd: versions iotop |
| 12:06.12 | judd | jelly: iotop -- lenny: 0.2-3 sid: 0.2-3 sid: 0.3.2-1 squeeze: 0.3.2-1 |
| 12:06.56 | babilen | mjt: input.product might be a start .. but this is a real hack. |
| 12:07.09 | mjt | i got it working |
| 12:07.17 | mjt | matching product |
| 12:07.20 | mjt | just for a test |
| 12:07.34 | mjt | and it indeed loaded synaptics_drv.so and tapping works, |
| 12:07.35 | mjt | . |
| 12:07.58 | babilen | mjt: Ask in #xorg and bring it to the mailing lists what to do if the capabilities are not reported correctly. I would also think that this is a bug and worth reporting. |
| 12:08.03 | mjt | CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2_SYNAPTICS=y |
| 12:08.03 | mjt | # CONFIG_MOUSE_SYNAPTICS_I2C is not set |
| 12:08.57 | mjt | well, if caps are incorrect it's definitely a bug |
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| 12:09.07 | babilen | yes |
| 12:09.08 | mjt | Synaptics Touchpad, model: 1, fw: 6.2, id: 0x1280b1, caps: 0xa04713/0x204000 |
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| 12:09.55 | babilen | sorry for the inconvenience ... But at least the hack works ... |
| 12:10.18 | pozic | Is there a JRE for Iceweasel? |
| 12:10.56 | babilen | pozic: yes |
| 12:11.12 | mjt | lile sun-java6-plugin ? |
| 12:11.45 | pozic | babilen: I have that one installed, about:plugins shows the plugin, but it doesn't work. |
| 12:11.46 | mjt | or icedtea6-plugin |
| 12:12.49 | babilen | pozic: http://wiki.debian.org/Java gives an overview ... mjt already mentioned the two packages you might want to consider (belonging to sun-jre and sun's open sources jre) |
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| 12:13.19 | babilen | pozic: Can you give a better description of "doesn't work" ? |
| 12:13.19 | pozic | babilen: the plugin does work in Opera. |
| 12:13.32 | pozic | babilen: yes, I am pasting an error message. |
| 12:13.39 | babilen | hei, i'll be back later ... |
| 12:13.46 | babilen | be patient :-) |
| 12:14.20 | pozic | This is the error message I get in the Java Console: http://paste.debian.net/54819/ |
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| 12:53.55 | o0xsquidy | lspci returns nothing..how can that be? |
| 12:54.24 | o0xsquidy | pegasus:~# lspci |
| 12:54.24 | o0xsquidy | pegasus:~# |
| 12:54.29 | o0xsquidy | :\ |
| 12:54.34 | matteo1990 | hi all, i have to install vlc on my debian. My pc is offline, but i can download packages on this one. How to download vlc and all dependencies without manually checking all on the net? |
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| 12:55.46 | wintix | o0xsquidy: just a thought: maybe you are on a virtualised host? if not, reinstall pciutils and try again. if not. hm. do you get output if you add -v ? |
| 12:56.09 | o0xsquidy | wintix, yes. i'm in a virtualised host...i though they emulated hardware too? |
| 12:56.22 | o0xsquidy | no -v or -vv seems to help |
| 12:57.14 | wintix | o0xsquidy: that explains it. no idea why that is, but i experienced that behavior in a virtualised system as well, so thought of it first. |
| 12:57.30 | o0xsquidy | weird...so no workaround? |
| 12:57.49 | wintix | no idea, sorry. you might try the lspci manpage to get an idea how it's working. |
| 12:58.05 | wintix | and maybe get the info out of /proc or something for yourself. |
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| 12:58.33 | o0xsquidy | i just want to know the vga device so i can run X |
| 12:58.40 | o0xsquidy | (or try it at least) |
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| 13:00.52 | o0xsquidy | wintix, maybe centos, ubuntu or other will work? |
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| 13:05.04 | matteo1990 | hi all, i have to install vlc on my debian. My pc is offline, but i can download packages on this one. How to download vlc and all dependencies without manually checking all on the net? |
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| 13:07.19 | babilen | matteo1990: Have a look at apt-offline, it might do what you want |
| 13:08.02 | wuffi600 | hi |
| 13:08.22 | mjt | babilen: re my synaptics prob: it's #562052, hal-0.5.14 bug. I added some comments there too. |
| 13:08.33 | babilen | mjt: great! Thank you |
| 13:08.46 | CyrusYzgTt | apt-cdrom |
| 13:09.15 | mjt | babilen: reverted to hal_0.5.13-3 (found it on one of my archives) and it all works ok |
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| 13:10.56 | mjt | babilen: thank me for what? :) |
| 13:11.04 | babilen | mjt: good bug report - hope it will get resolved soon. If you feel like digging into this feel free to do so :-) |
| 13:11.09 | babilen | mjt: for the bug report |
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| 13:11.34 | GuySoft | hi all, does Intel E7400 need a 64bit or 32 bit kernel? |
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| 13:12.52 | mjt | GuySoft: it will work with either |
| 13:13.18 | babilen | GuySoft: the question is: What do you need? |
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| 13:13.56 | GuySoft | babilen, i want to basically use it, its going to run a webserver, a few other things. and normal desktop use |
| 13:14.18 | babilen | GuySoft: How much RAM do you need to support? |
| 13:14.28 | GuySoft | babilen, 2GB for the time being |
| 13:14.42 | mjt | i usually run 64bit kernels on all 64bit-capable hardware here. But almost always 32bit userspace. |
| 13:14.43 | GuySoft | babilen, the thing is i want to clone an existing 32bit server i have |
| 13:15.43 | mjt | that's a good reason to start with 32bits ;) |
| 13:16.14 | wuffi600 | what is the name of the group a user has to be member to be allowed to write CDs/DVDs? ... and what's the group to be allowed to import photos using gphoto2 from an usb-camera? |
| 13:16.20 | GuySoft | mjt, i am just a newbe to the 32bit/64/bit thing.. been running on old hardware here most of the time |
| 13:16.20 | mjt | or maybe it's a good reason to convert your server to 64bits while you're at it |
| 13:16.47 | babilen | GuySoft: What do you mean by cloning? |
| 13:16.58 | GuySoft | mjt, i might, is there an easy way to convert as server from 32 to 64? its different repositories... |
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| 13:17.17 | GuySoft | babilen, i want to dump the hard-drive to the new computer |
| 13:17.48 | mjt | GuySoft: it's really simple: all current 64bit x86 hw is able to run either 32 or 64bits code. More, you can run 64bit kernel and 32bit userspace (eg to access more memory system-wide etc) - just isntall 32bit system and replace kernel. |
| 13:17.59 | babilen | If you put the whole hdd in the new computer you will run the old system. |
| 13:18.24 | mjt | surprize :) |
| 13:18.25 | babilen | You can then install a 64 bit kernel like mjt suggested |
| 13:18.37 | babilen | mjt: :-D |
| 13:19.01 | GuySoft | babilen, yes, was just gonna type that. is there a way to migrate the userspace after that? is it a good idea at all? |
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| 13:19.18 | babilen | GuySoft: You would have to reinstall for that AFAIK |
| 13:19.20 | mjt | no good way for userspace for now |
| 13:19.52 | babilen | !tell GuySoft -about installed |
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| 13:19.58 | babilen | !tell GuySoft -about aptitude clone |
| 13:20.17 | mjt | babilen: btw, with hal-0.5.13 (the working one) synaptics here works without additional tweaks. |
| 13:20.29 | GuySoft | mjt, is it a big loss? will the performance be noticed? I might be running long cpu-demanding processes |
| 13:20.46 | babilen | GuySoft: ^^^ that way you can install all previously installed packages and keep the information about which packages were automatically installed |
| 13:20.49 | mjt | it really depends on what exactly are you doing |
| 13:20.59 | GuySoft | babilen, thanks i did that once on my nokia N810, but there it was a smaller system. |
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| 13:21.19 | mjt | some tasks benefits greatly from 64bit mode, some becomes worse (eg requiring more memory for pointers etc) |
| 13:21.39 | GuySoft | mjt, well, i guess most of the time it will just act as a desktop + apache server. |
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| 13:21.52 | mjt | so it does not really matter that much |
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| 13:22.01 | GuySoft | mjt, i guess so.. |
| 13:22.11 | mjt | it's like gentoo: optimize, optimize, optimize... ;) |
| 13:22.25 | obcecado | --with-omg-optimize |
| 13:22.38 | GuySoft | mjt, yes, but thats why i use debian - for the binaries :) |
| 13:22.40 | babilen | GuySoft: It really depends on the software you are using. If you need 32bit proprietary firmware for example 64 is out of the question. Skype also is a hassle to install on amd64 .. and so on |
| 13:22.55 | GuySoft | my most frequent use of gentoo is custom bootdisks :) |
| 13:23.05 | mjt | yeah i was about to say that (proprietary soft) |
| 13:23.22 | GuySoft | babilen, i use skype on that computer, so i guess that is it |
| 13:23.25 | babilen | collective intelligence |
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| 13:23.55 | babilen | GuySoft: It is possible to install skype ... it's just a little bit cumbersome (had to do it for a friend some weeks ago) |
| 13:24.17 | GuySoft | i guess ill start with 32bit userspace on a 64bit kernell |
| 13:24.28 | babilen | GuySoft: If I were you, I would just keep the old system and maybe install a amd64 kernel |
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| 13:25.02 | GuySoft | thanks, i gtg.. also have to do analytical mechanics here |
| 13:25.11 | GuySoft | babilen, at the moment that is what i am going to do , thanks :) |
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| 13:25.59 | babilen | GuySoft: Have fun! |
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| 13:30.40 | ewet | man, there's so many bullshit howtos on that topic.. So: Howto set-up a static DNS resolver on pppoe interfaces with resolvconf. I only find shit or usepeerdns :/ |
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| 13:31.29 | wuffi600 | group "plugdev" was the solution. |
| 13:32.09 | wuffi600 | group "plugdev" was the solution. |
| 13:32.18 | f00li5h[HireMe] | babilen: ah, that'd do it... how do I get the changes to stick? also... # This file belongs to the "initscripts" package. |
| 13:32.42 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: ?-) which file? |
| 13:33.09 | f00li5h[HireMe] | babilen: < babilen> f00li5h[HireMe]: Just edit /etc/default/rcS if you want to change that. < babilen> f00li5h[HireMe]: Don't know which package that is .. |
| 13:33.38 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: Ah, thanks :-) |
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| 13:34.40 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: It does not stick? |
| 13:35.23 | f00li5h[HireMe] | I presume editing the file is not enough |
| 13:35.35 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: no, you'll have to reboot |
| 13:35.38 | f00li5h[HireMe] | -_- |
| 13:35.49 | f00li5h[HireMe] | can't I fix it by tampering with timezones? |
| 13:35.56 | f00li5h[HireMe] | (I'm kinda using the machine) |
| 13:36.50 | babilen | fix what exactly? You can't change *this* setting without rebooting. |
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| 13:38.05 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: ah, sorry. Please run "/etc/init.d/hwclock.sh restart" |
| 13:38.20 | f00li5h[HireMe] | ah! |
| 13:38.30 | f00li5h[HireMe] | notes that complaining often gets a solution ;) |
| 13:38.34 | babilen | hehe |
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| 13:40.49 | f00li5h[HireMe] | fucking hell! |
| 13:40.55 | f00li5h[HireMe] | stupid mlocalte! |
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| 13:44.20 | macrobat | i use mlocate. is there some problem i should look out for? |
| 13:45.02 | f00li5h[HireMe] | well, dpkg seems to get shitty about it when it's installed ... or not installed ... |
| 13:46.25 | groulder | 15mins til xmas |
| 13:47.46 | f00li5h[HireMe] | 47 minutes ago! |
| 13:48.11 | babilen | groulder: Quite off-topic, but why is christmas at exactly 14:00 UTC? |
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| 13:48.38 | groulder | well |
| 13:48.45 | groulder | it starts in 10mins i should say |
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| 13:48.52 | babilen | why? |
| 13:48.52 | groulder | for my timezone |
| 13:49.18 | groulder | because in 10mins it's 00:00 25 dec. |
| 13:50.24 | macrobat | at 14:00 utc an important tv show starts :) |
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| 13:54.09 | RichiH | is anyone aware of debugging symbols for /lib/libdbus-1.so.3 ? |
| 13:54.56 | babilen | RichiH: It's not that I constantly think about them, but there is libdbus-glib-1-2-dbg |
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| 13:55.03 | lnostdal | life without the evil gnome meta-package is so nice .. now all the printer handling and configuration stuff is gone! :D |
| 13:55.06 | RichiH | babilen: heh, thanks |
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| 13:55.24 | lnostdal | ..which means i can finally get rid of this old printer |
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| 13:57.05 | RichiH | babilen: seems that's not the right one, though |
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| 14:01.09 | f00li5h[HireMe] | babilen: tehe... 25 Dec 01:00:47 ntpdate[19687]: step time server 119.63.208.27 offset 39622.428689 sec |
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| 14:03.17 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: just set your date with date or by running ntpdate manually |
| 14:04.08 | ehazlett | greetings all... lvm issue. i have an lvm volume that i resized (lvextend first, then resize2fs). i'm using it as a xen disk. once i boot the vm, it doesn't show the new size even though i can write when it has 0 byte's free... any ideas? |
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| 14:04.50 | babilen | RichiH: You might have to compile the package (libdbus-1-3) by yourself with the debugging symbols then ... |
| 14:04.58 | babilen | !tell RichiH -about package recompile |
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| 14:05.42 | f00li5h[HireMe] | babilen: I did run it manually, |
| 14:05.48 | f00li5h[HireMe] | that's why it jumped the clock so hard ;) |
| 14:06.02 | f00li5h[HireMe] | babilen: (oh, it is already christmas here ...) |
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| 14:25.53 | KangarooBox | Hey all, just trying to get Rails working with Ruby1.9.1 and am having some trouble with RubyGems. Can anyone here help? |
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| 14:29.00 | adb | judd, versions ruby |
| 14:29.01 | judd | adb: ruby -- etch: 1.8.2-1 lenny: 4.2 sid: 4.2 squeeze: 4.2 |
| 14:29.28 | nsadmin | KangarooBox: the only way I got rubygems to work is to build it against a ruby I also built5 |
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| 14:29.47 | stew | adb: note that there are also ruby1.8 ruby1.9 ruby1.9.1 packages, etc |
| 14:29.50 | kaeser_notebook | does debian actually got everything xfce needs on lenny or I need squeeze? |
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| 14:30.12 | stew | kaeser_notebook: lenny has a full xfce |
| 14:30.23 | adb | oh, tks stew |
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| 14:30.40 | nsadmin | what's the dm for xfce? |
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| 14:33.00 | KangarooBox | nsadmin: Hmmm...thats not very encouraging. :( |
| 14:33.20 | KangarooBox | I was hoping that Debian's Ruby & Rails support was more mature than that. |
| 14:33.33 | stew | KangarooBox: i've not had problems with rubygems out of the box |
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| 14:38.44 | virtualint | hello guys i saw php package in lenny is compiled --with-gettext , how can i compile the official lenny package again (i am new to debian) |
| 14:39.07 | abrotman | is or is not ? |
| 14:39.47 | virtualint | abrotman, are you asking to me? |
| 14:40.14 | abrotman | yes |
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| 14:40.49 | virtualint | it is compiled --with-gettext and i want to compile it without gettext |
| 14:40.55 | Justin | why? |
| 14:40.57 | virtualint | i cant unload the extension |
| 14:41.07 | virtualint | bec we have our translation mechanism |
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| 14:41.46 | virtualint | and some gettext functions are bogus when we use our localization mechanism |
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| 14:42.12 | abrotman | so just don't use them ? |
| 14:42.13 | Justin | sounds like your localization mechanism is broken |
| 14:42.23 | virtualint | abrotman, it is not a solution |
| 14:42.33 | virtualint | nope it is been used for years J |
| 14:42.36 | virtualint | nope it is been used for years Justin |
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| 14:43.55 | virtualint | i need just an answer guys how to compile a source package in debian, i dont need any development suggestion or "why questions" ? |
| 14:44.28 | stew | virtualint: you get the source with "apt-get source packagename" which downloads it to the current directory. in the source there will be a "debian/rules" file which is the makefile used for building the pacakge. "apt-get build-dep packagename; apt-get install build-essential fakeroot devscripts" will download the other packages you need for compiling it. you should bump the version number with something like "dch --nmu" i'd recommend adding a "+nogett |
| 14:44.51 | virtualint | stew thanks, thats what i want |
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| 15:15.02 | rebel_kid | im having some trouble configuring proftpd for virtual users, i want virtual users instead of accounts on the server but i would like certain virtual users to use different accounts on the server, for example foo@example.com bar@example.com and baz@example.com all use the example.com user, i cant seem to get it to do that, could anyone assist or even recommend alternative authentication methods / ftpds? |
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| 15:18.17 | schaf5 | Hi |
| 15:18.23 | schaf5 | I have upgraded from lenny to testing |
| 15:18.32 | pozic | I created a key a few months ago and didn't do anything with it, but when I use gpg to export my public key and send it to someone else, the key is "revoked". Can I see who or when it was revoked? Does this happen automatically? I think I set it to expire after 5 years. |
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| 15:19.15 | schaf5 | now I have in /etc/ two files, group and group- they differ only in one line, why is that? |
| 15:20.18 | Justin | one is the backup |
| 15:20.37 | schaf5 | Justin: the group- I guess |
| 15:20.44 | schaf5 | Justin: can I just delete it? |
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| 15:22.47 | Justin | schaf5: deleting files whose purpose you don't understand is never a good idea |
| 15:24.05 | schaf5 | Justin: yeah, that is why I ask :) |
| 15:24.49 | pozic | schaf5: there is this serie of exciting stories about Manual which might help. |
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| 15:25.21 | SteveHH | frohe weihnachten @ all |
| 15:26.44 | schaf5 | pozic: Im sorry, I dont know where to look, isn't the manual just for lenny? |
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| 15:30.38 | xNinja | hello... |
| 15:30.39 | xNinja | is there a ready made script or easy way to do the following: connect to multiple server using user1/pass1 then run commands and exit to the other server ?? |
| 15:31.54 | jmd | xNinja, I would doubt it. |
| 15:32.09 | Welsh_Dwarf | Hi all, my server is currently dropping a lots of of syn packets. |
| 15:33.00 | Welsh_Dwarf | Does anyone have any ideas on how to increase the maximum number of sockets |
| 15:33.19 | Justin | xNinja: only about 40 |
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| 15:33.44 | xNinja | Justin 40 scripts ? |
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| 15:34.44 | Bac9 | how can I open a msft powerpoint presentation in ooimpress without having it autostart and grab keyboard/mouse? |
| 15:35.07 | Justin | xNinja: dsh is simple and works well |
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| 15:40.29 | jelly-hme | Welsh_Dwarf: are you under an attack, or just have lots of real incoming traffic? |
| 15:40.48 | runix___ | heyas. what can I use to compare 2 directories? I would like to see changed files (not the changes) and ignore .svn. ah. and it has to be CLI, not X :) |
| 15:41.14 | cast | diff? |
| 15:41.29 | runix___ | cast: how do I do to see only filenames and skip .svn files? |
| 15:41.39 | cast | egrep -v |
| 15:41.55 | runix___ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.57 | runix___ | cast: tnx |
| 15:42.05 | jelly-hme | Welsh_Dwarf: do you have problems with a single (server) process not being able to open enough sockets? |
| 15:42.22 | Welsh_Dwarf | jelly-hme: I think so |
| 15:42.27 | cast | nasty, but up to you |
| 15:42.36 | jelly-hme | Welsh_Dwarf: which service? |
| 15:42.44 | runix___ | cast: :) tnx |
| 15:42.46 | Welsh_Dwarf | jelly-hme: it's real traffic, not an attack (currently running at 700 requests/s) |
| 15:42.56 | Welsh_Dwarf | jelly-hme: apache |
| 15:43.05 | Welsh_Dwarf | and I have enough spare servers |
| 15:43.43 | jelly-hme | Welsh_Dwarf: alright, what does lsof -n -p pid-of-master-process? Is it near 1024 open files? |
| 15:44.08 | jelly-hme | that's probably the most common bottleneck to be hit first |
| 15:44.27 | Welsh_Dwarf | 72 |
| 15:44.41 | Welsh_Dwarf | 72 open files |
| 15:45.07 | jelly-hme | not it, then |
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| 15:46.20 | Justin | dropping syn packets = socket listen backlog too low |
| 15:46.46 | Justin | if you are serious about performance you should be using something like ligghtpd or nginx and not apache |
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| 15:47.54 | jelly-hme | Welsh_Dwarf: I'd enable syncookies just to be sure, and Justin probably says to increase /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_max_syn_backlog |
| 15:48.08 | Justin | no, not the kernel setting, the application |
| 15:48.32 | Welsh_Dwarf | justin: you mean with ulimit? |
| 15:48.35 | Justin | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mpm_common.html#listenbacklog |
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| 15:49.26 | jelly-hme | Justin: you mean it's lower than the kernel one? |
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| 15:50.59 | freaky[t]_ | hi all how do i scroll to the bottom in vim? |
| 15:51.24 | jelly-hme | !vim refcard |
| 15:51.25 | dpkg | it has been said that vim refcard is http://www.viemu.com/a_vi_vim_graphical_cheat_sheet_tutorial.html or perhaps http://tnerual.eriogerg.free.fr/vim.html |
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| 15:51.57 | babilen | freaky[t]_: G |
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| 15:52.17 | pozic | Is it possible to send encrypted mail with also an encrypted subject? |
| 15:52.34 | pozic | When I look at the headers I still see the unencrypted subject. |
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| 15:54.25 | freaky[t]_ | babilen thanks :D |
| 15:54.54 | Welsh_Dwarf | justin: I've upped the Backlog, but I'm still getting 10 second latencies on my files, do you have any other hints? |
| 15:56.07 | runix___ | cast: um. my diff line is a mess with binary files |
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| 15:58.56 | kaeser_desktop | Why there is no iceweasel 3.5? |
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| 15:59.19 | stew | kaeser_desktop: there is |
| 15:59.33 | kaeser_desktop | really? |
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| 15:59.41 | kaeser_desktop | testing |
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| 15:59.56 | stew | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 15:59.57 | judd | stew: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.5.5-1 sid: 3.5.6-1 |
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| 16:00.11 | grig | hi guys |
| 16:00.29 | kaeser_desktop | oh... great |
| 16:00.36 | kaeser_desktop | But I will back for lenny. |
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| 16:00.56 | kaeser_desktop | And I want some sort of paranoid safe system. |
| 16:01.11 | kaeser_desktop | with system encryption and stuff |
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| 16:01.58 | kaeser_desktop | the problem with system encryption is that I don't know how to use lvm to encrypt multiple partitions on the expected encrypted system while having another uncrypted system |
| 16:02.34 | kaeser_desktop | Googled it, but I fail in doing that in a dual boot. |
| 16:02.36 | grig | i'm trying to set up apt-cacher-ng in lenny. unfortunately it doesn't handle correctly volatile repository (bug #522239) |
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| 16:03.39 | grig | what choices do i have? backports.org doesn't help as it doesn't include apt-cacher-ng |
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| 16:03.50 | grig | should i try building my own .deb? |
| 16:04.17 | stew | grig: if the bug is fixed in unstable, you could try: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:04.59 | grig | stew: thanks. the package is fixed in unstable |
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| 16:05.34 | fas3r | i need help with ulogd2 ? |
| 16:05.55 | abrotman | grig: approx does if you're willing to use that |
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| 16:07.15 | grig | abrotman: i was using apt-mirror until now. did a little research and learned that apt-cacher-ng might be the best solution. i'll look into approx, thanks for the suggestion |
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| 16:07.57 | abrotman | grig: depends on how many machines you have to manage .. and want to change the sources.list on i guess |
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| 16:09.41 | grig | abrotman: you can change sources.list or have smth. like echo Acquire::http { Proxy "http://CacheServerIp:3142"; }; > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/02proxy |
| 16:10.09 | abrotman | perhaps .. i've found it works pretty well where I use it |
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| 16:10.40 | tomato1 | how to modified hour and day system in GUI |
| 16:10.44 | tomato1 | please |
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| 16:12.19 | jmd | tomato1, start a terminal emulator and do it in the normal way |
| 16:13.04 | tomato1 | jmd: in interface gui please |
| 16:13.14 | tomato1 | I hate terminal emulator for this manipulation |
| 16:13.50 | abrotman | maybe give us more details about your GUI ? |
| 16:13.52 | jelly-hme | yeah, because "date -s" is too hard to do |
| 16:14.11 | abrotman | jelly-hme: it needs a better font |
| 16:14.14 | tomato1 | 24 Dec 17:13:52 ntpdate[3859]: no servers can be used, exiting |
| 16:14.28 | tomato1 | I want to use ntpdate |
| 16:14.44 | stew | tomato1: note that ntpdate is no longer maintained and its use is discouraged |
| 16:14.44 | tomato1 | date, clock |
| 16:14.44 | abrotman | tomato1: install ntp, remove ntpdate |
| 16:15.01 | matteo1990 | if i make ls -la i can see that a film i have downloaded has written root root. I can't open it with vlc... What options i have to use in chmod to change it? |
| 16:15.14 | tomato1 | with libcap? |
| 16:15.16 | jmd | You need root permisions to set the date. Anyone with root permissions better start liking a terminal. Using a GUI as root is asking for trouble. |
| 16:15.16 | jelly-hme | abrotman: er... how will that fix his inability to access the configured ntp servers? |
| 16:15.35 | tomato1 | jmd: A gui FOR ? |
| 16:15.35 | abrotman | jelly-hme: perhaps his is misconfigured ? |
| 16:16.08 | jelly-hme | tomato1: does "ntpdate pool.ntp.org" in a root terminal work? |
| 16:16.18 | tomato1 | jelly-hme: don't work :( |
| 16:16.28 | tomato1 | I want to change for GMT + 3 |
| 16:16.29 | jelly-hme | tomato1: how does it not work? |
| 16:16.47 | tomato1 | ntp : command not found |
| 16:16.51 | abrotman | you have to install it |
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| 16:16.55 | jmd | tomato1, tzselect |
| 16:16.59 | abrotman | sounds like he has to set the timezone .. not the time ? |
| 16:17.08 | Scurz | matteo1990: if the user is "root" and the group is "root", change the user and the group, with a chown you:you your-film, a try again to play it |
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| 16:17.29 | abrotman | tries to translate frenglish |
| 16:17.30 | jelly-hme | that might be a possibility. [17:13] <tomato1> 24 Dec 17:13:52 ntpdate[3859] |
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| 16:17.42 | tomato1 | okay thx |
| 16:17.50 | abrotman | or his clock is too far off? is this a VM ? |
| 16:17.53 | jelly-hme | it's correct for UTC+1 |
| 16:18.04 | tomato1 | GTM +3 : it's 20:13 |
| 16:18.05 | Scurz | matteo1990: if you cannot still play it, check the rights, or try chmod 770 your-film |
| 16:18.09 | abrotman | oh crap ... i thougtht today was the 23rd :) |
| 16:18.13 | tomato1 | I love you jelly-hme |
| 16:18.21 | jelly-hme | tomato1: you just need to fix the time zone |
| 16:18.38 | tomato1 | alright jelly-hme !!! nice shot :) |
| 16:19.14 | abrotman | did he actually get fixed ? |
| 16:19.31 | stew | !fix abrotman |
| 16:19.31 | dpkg | takes abrotman to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 16:19.31 | jelly-hme | I wonder why jmd didn't get loved, when he offered the solution |
| 16:19.37 | valdyn | !sing sunday |
| 16:19.37 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 16:20.00 | jmd | jelly-hme, Because it wasn't a GUI solution. |
| 16:20.03 | abrotman | jelly-hme: because it wasn't a GUI!! |
| 16:20.18 | jelly-hme | ! |
| 16:21.09 | jmd | Perhaps I should have suggested xmessage "The time is now 20:19"; |
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| 16:40.00 | grig | stew: you're my hero. thanks to you i have built my own apt-cacher-ng .deb |
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| 16:46.52 | Cain | Hi, is it possible to retrieve a folder(ant its contents) from ftp server in one console command ? |
| 16:46.58 | Cain | and* |
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| 16:47.54 | abrotman | using which ftp client? |
| 16:48.09 | Cain | the basic one |
| 16:48.54 | Cain | abrotman : it's installed by default in the box (how to verify which one ?) |
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| 16:55.25 | krion | Cain: you should have a look at wget |
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| 17:09.50 | core_illa | this eclipse sdk android sdk thing is a real nuisance |
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| 17:11.00 | core_illa | keeps telling me i need to install a java jdk, i all ready have jdk6 + open java jdk6 and netbeans |
| 17:11.25 | core_illa | and a jre installed too |
| 17:11.40 | abrotman | maybe you need the sun jdk ? |
| 17:11.50 | core_illa | got that too |
| 17:12.32 | core_illa | it works on Slackware, maybe i should just go back to using slack. |
| 17:13.08 | _stack_ | yes you should |
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| 17:13.43 | core_illa | thanks for the debian help! |
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| 17:20.01 | abrotman | core_illa: do you have a more descriptive error ? |
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| 17:34.04 | doublehp | i think i got a bug in ping: http://pastebin.com/d1f291141 when -i is below 0.2, it does not wait for -W after sending the last packet, but 1s after the first good answer ... |
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| 17:35.30 | valdyn | doublehp: and you did read the manpage part about -i ? |
| 17:36.10 | doublehp | valdyn: yes |
| 17:36.21 | EduardeCalibal | Hi. I have some errors with libfbclient2, when I use vchar fields in firebird. Error is a access violation and occur in my own test program. Someone know if this is a bug from this lib? |
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| 17:37.52 | doublehp | valdyn: i am not in flood mode; the problem is not around -i but -W |
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| 17:40.36 | Kobaz | in apt-cache show, when i have multiple hits on the same package... how do i tell which is in which repository |
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| 17:42.28 | stew | Kobaz: apt-cache policy packagename |
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| 17:42.50 | EduardeCalibal | Nice tip. |
| 17:42.52 | EduardeCalibal | :D |
| 17:43.04 | EduardeCalibal | Thanks stew. :D |
| 17:43.31 | MooseMorals | what package do I need to install (on lenny) to get the lvm tools? |
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| 17:43.39 | raca | Good party and excelent 365 days |
| 17:43.39 | Kobaz | k |
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| 17:43.50 | stew | MooseMorals: lvm2 |
| 17:43.54 | stew | EduardeCalibal: :) |
| 17:44.08 | MooseMorals | stew, thanks |
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| 17:47.13 | jeward | I'm building a server with 6x36G disks. I made a big RAID5 out of them with a wee swap partition on each drive. I can't seem to get grub to install on /dev/md0 though? I'm booted from the install CD into /dev/md0. |
| 17:48.08 | jeward | "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
| 17:48.22 | EduardeCalibal | You try install grub in a read only disc? |
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| 17:48.54 | jeward | Let me check. |
| 17:49.19 | jeward | No, I can write to it. |
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| 17:54.03 | EduardeCalibal | Sorry, no idea. |
| 17:54.23 | jeward | Oh, I found the answer: Grub does not support RAID5, only RAID1 and RAID0. So you've asked it to do |
| 17:54.23 | jeward | something impossible. Lilo does not support RAID5 either. |
| 17:54.23 | jeward | The correct solution is to create a separate /boot partition. |
| 17:55.00 | EduardeCalibal | Good. :D |
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| 17:58.04 | abrotman | jeward: or use grub2 maybe ? |
| 17:59.03 | jeward | Oh! |
| 17:59.07 | jeward | Is that an option? |
| 17:59.13 | jeward | Is it installed by default? |
| 17:59.18 | abrotman | no |
| 17:59.31 | jeward | Let me see if I can get the system up far enough to install it. |
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| 18:00.39 | jeward | Installing! |
| 18:00.41 | jeward | :) |
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| 18:01.28 | Posterdati | merry Christmas to you all |
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| 18:03.01 | test123 | sixtila here |
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| 18:03.31 | babilen_ | hei |
| 18:03.51 | jeward | Wow, grub2 install is far from automagic... |
| 18:04.40 | test123 | babilen_ am i in the right channel? |
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| 18:06.43 | jeward | Okay, trying it... |
| 18:07.42 | jeward | abrotman: I could kiss you! :-* |
| 18:07.52 | babilen_ | test123: yes |
| 18:08.05 | abrotman | jeward: ewww .. i'm telling santa |
| 18:08.09 | jeward | :-) |
| 18:08.20 | jeward | abrotman: You've saved the day yet again! |
| 18:08.25 | abrotman | jeward: tell santa~! |
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| 18:09.41 | jeward | Santa: Abrotman saved the day! |
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| 18:19.33 | cmacis | Hey room. I installed debian with lxde on my parents' machine. Anyone know any games packages where I can just get a load of games for them? I don't really want to go through synaptic clicking 1 at a time |
| 18:20.01 | pozic | cmacis: there is a gnome games meta package. |
| 18:20.06 | cmacis | thanks |
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| 18:20.29 | pozic | cmacis: battle for wesnoth is also quite nice. |
| 18:20.34 | abrotman | also sgt-puzzles |
| 18:20.47 | pozic | cmacis: but parents mostly like kpat from my experience. |
| 18:20.52 | cmacis | I don't think they'd get wesnoth |
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| 18:20.57 | pozic | cmacis: KPatience. |
| 18:21.27 | pozic | cmacis: it is a slick program, which this particular person now likes more than the Windows version of patience. |
| 18:22.24 | cmacis | nice. FOSS win! |
| 18:22.24 | pozic | Kind of a weird world that people actually like those applications. |
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| 18:22.26 | pozic | If you want to push people to *nix, you just have to configure Grub such that it runs Linux by default. |
| 18:22.38 | pozic | And you have to setup it the right way. |
| 18:23.03 | cmacis | I slowly wiened my parents onto linux. First I put firefox on. Then thunderbird. Then open office (I /lost/ the ms office cd). Then ubuntu |
| 18:23.19 | pozic | It would be nice if there was a good email application, though. |
| 18:23.29 | pozic | That is, something which works as flawless as gmail. |
| 18:23.46 | cmacis | I just use gmail in the browser |
| 18:24.12 | pozic | Yes, that's what I initially did. |
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| 18:26.08 | pozic | I was pleased to hear that "everything is so slow at other people". :) |
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| 18:26.24 | csanyipal | Hi, |
| 18:26.36 | cmacis | hi |
| 18:26.40 | csanyipal | marry christmas! |
| 18:26.51 | cmacis | in a few hours here |
| 18:26.58 | csanyipal | :) |
| 18:27.19 | csanyipal | I have a problem with jackd and alsa setup. |
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| 18:28.15 | pozic | What is the name of the package which shows instant messages in a pretty way like Ubuntu does by default, I think? |
| 18:29.04 | csanyipal | When I start jackd then I can't hear other applications, like audacious.. |
| 18:29.50 | Joshd1910 | hi can someone plz help with my connection problem? |
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| 18:30.04 | pozic | !plz |
| 18:30.04 | dpkg | i heard plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it If you say 'plz' because it's shorter than 'please', I'll say 'no' because it's shorter than 'yes'. |
| 18:30.10 | csanyipal | I have setup in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 18:30.12 | csanyipal | @audio - rt_priority 99 |
| 18:30.12 | csanyipal | @audio - nice -10 |
| 18:30.12 | csanyipal | @audio - memlock unlimited |
| 18:31.02 | Joshd1910 | please |
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| 18:31.57 | babilen_ | Joshd1910: Please state the nature of the technical emergency |
| 18:32.06 | Sergio` | pozic: aint also seems inadequate to me. |
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| 18:32.45 | Joshd1910 | well i cant stay connected to internet. When i hook my router up it stays connect for maybe a min then dissconects |
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| 18:34.37 | Joshd1910 | did you see wat i said? |
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| 18:35.18 | runix___ | Joshd1910: something with a router? :) |
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| 18:35.37 | Joshd1910 | im not sure. it works perfectly fine with xp |
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| 18:36.04 | zig_ | I'm trying to install FreeNX onto Lenny, and I was wondering: If I have an AMD64 installation, can I install i386-compiled packages? |
| 18:36.08 | zig_ | And ahve it work? |
| 18:36.25 | zig_ | deb http://packages.debianbase.de/[etch|lenny|sid|...]/i386/nx/ ./ <== there's this, but... I took a look under the amd64 directory, and there's nothing. |
| 18:36.43 | pozic | It's libnotify. |
| 18:37.42 | abrotman | Joshd1910: wait .. what does the router have to do with Debian ? |
| 18:38.02 | Joshd1910 | i just cant get my connection to work |
| 18:38.06 | Joshd1910 | so i doubt its that |
| 18:38.38 | Joshd1910 | idk maybe i just dont no how to fix the settings or somthing |
| 18:39.20 | Joshd1910 | i get t these no message handler erros |
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| 18:39.45 | Joshd1910 | Dec 24 12:21:05 JOSH dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.host_namenDec 24 12:21:05 JOSH dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.domain_searchnDec 24 12:21:05 JOSH dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_domainnDec 24 12:21 |
| 18:39.56 | tec | merry christmas everyone! |
| 18:40.25 | csanyipal | thanks! |
| 18:40.26 | Joshd1910 | this is wen my connection drops |
| 18:40.35 | abrotman | Joshd1910: uname -a |
| 18:41.03 | Joshd1910 | sorry but wats that mean |
| 18:41.07 | abrotman | it's a command to run |
| 18:41.18 | Joshd1910 | so just type in terminal? |
| 18:42.25 | Joshd1910 | then wat would i do? |
| 18:42.34 | abrotman | what does it say ? |
| 18:42.47 | Joshd1910 | well im on puppy linux right now |
| 18:42.55 | Joshd1910 | but ill be right back |
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| 18:47.02 | tec | can somebody help me mounting a fc array on debian? |
| 18:47.36 | abrotman | you have to give more details |
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| 18:48.07 | tec | i mapped the host lun on the eonstor array, and have a lsi fc card installed |
| 18:48.24 | tec | when i do lsscsi i see the fc card |
| 18:48.39 | tec | like [2:0:25:31] storage Transtec PV610F16R1B 347D - |
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| 18:48.48 | Joshd1910 | k i got this= Linux JOSH 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:49.04 | pozic_ | How can I enable libnotify notification in pidgin? |
| 18:49.26 | tec | but how can i detect drives and mount them? |
| 18:49.52 | pozic_ | tec: fdisk |
| 18:50.20 | pozic_ | tec: mounting is done via mount ;) |
| 18:50.37 | tec | yes, but how? im really new to fc and if i do fdisk i cant see my drive |
| 18:50.47 | pozic_ | tec: the only issue is that you have to know which file system is on a system to be able to mount it. |
| 18:50.47 | tec | the adapter is a FC949X Fibre Channel Adapter |
| 18:50.50 | valdyn | tec: whats fc? |
| 18:50.53 | valdyn | tec: uh |
| 18:51.00 | valdyn | tec: drives are listed at many places |
| 18:51.21 | tec | there is atm no file sys on the fc disk |
| 18:51.23 | valdyn | tec: /dev/sd* /dev/disk/* "fdisk -l", cat /proc/partitions |
| 18:51.42 | pozic_ | tec: so, you have a fibre channel adapter, which probably costs a lot of money, but you don't have the expertise to make it work? Who bought it then? |
| 18:51.51 | Joshd1910 | abrotman: are u there? |
| 18:52.08 | pozic_ | tec: anyway, what "drive" are you talking about? |
| 18:52.16 | stew | pozic_: is who bought it important? |
| 18:52.42 | tec | on the array i mapped a logical drive to a scsi lun |
| 18:52.45 | pozic_ | stew: I meant more like he or someone else, I don't care about any name. |
| 18:53.10 | stew | pozic_: does that make a difference when trying to solve his problem? |
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| 18:53.13 | tec | the system is for our new storage server |
| 18:53.15 | pozic_ | stew: if you buy something, you can be expected to know what it does and how it works and whether or not there are drivers and so on. |
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| 18:53.33 | pozic_ | stew: it gives information whether or not this person knows what he is doing. |
| 18:54.16 | jpinx-eeepc | HAPPY XMAS!! |
| 18:54.19 | tec | my only partitions and drives displayed on my system yet are the local ones |
| 18:54.44 | stew | pozic_: assume he doesn't, and try to help him best you can |
| 18:54.48 | pozic_ | tec: the idea of this "adapter" is to provide an interconnect to another server, right? |
| 18:54.52 | tec | pozic_: sorry, but anybody has to lern things for the fist time :) |
| 18:55.28 | tec | pozic_: no, the fc card is connected over fiber (4gbit/s) to the eonstor fc array |
| 18:57.28 | pozic_ | tec: and the fc array is basically a lot of RAM? |
| 18:57.51 | tec | pozic_: no, there are a lot of sata disks |
| 18:57.54 | pozic_ | tec: does dmesg detect your device? |
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| 18:58.25 | tec | scsi 2:0:25:31: RAID Transtec PV610F16R1B 347D PQ: 0 ANSI: 3 |
| 18:58.25 | tec | scsi 2:0:25:31: Attached scsi generic sg512 type 12 |
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| 18:58.40 | tec | there are lot more of them |
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| 18:59.17 | pozic_ | tec: I would expect that there are /dev/sd<something> device files then. |
| 18:59.43 | pozic_ | tec: but you might want to read some comments regarding the actual driver you are using if this is not the case. |
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| 19:00.01 | tec | pozic_: that was my idea too, but nothing more than my standard sda local drives |
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| 19:00.53 | tec | pozic_: for me it looks like the array is detected, but my box is not able to see the lun |
| 19:01.20 | pozic_ | tec: lun? |
| 19:01.24 | pozic_ | !lun |
| 19:01.24 | dpkg | from memory, lun is Logical Unit Number |
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| 19:01.52 | tec | pozic_: yes |
| 19:01.55 | Joshd1910 | !lun |
| 19:01.55 | dpkg | i guess lun is Logical Unit Number |
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| 19:02.53 | tec | pozic_: i created a logical drive on the array (1 hdd in this case) and mapped it to lun chn 0 id0 |
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| 19:03.45 | tec | pozic_: in the fc channel settings i configured scsi channels from 1-15 |
| 19:03.54 | pozic_ | tec: right, but you have to convince your machine also in some way that those exist. |
| 19:03.56 | tec | pozic_: in the fc channel settings i configured scsi channels from 0-15 sorry |
| 19:04.20 | tec | pozic_: if i remove the scsi channels, the system recognizes it |
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| 19:04.59 | tec | pozic_: that looks like the connection between the array and my host over fibre channel is working |
| 19:05.37 | tec | pozic_: but if the drive is mapped to a lun, how can i now format it? |
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| 19:06.06 | tec | pozic_: the problem is, that there is no drive like /dev/sdxx |
| 19:06.20 | pozic_ | tec: are you sure there isn't? |
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| 19:06.36 | pozic_ | tec: have you computed the difference between having it connected and not? |
| 19:06.47 | tec | pozic_: ill seeagain |
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| 19:07.03 | tec | pozic_: what do you mean computed? |
| 19:07.07 | xingu | tec: does the adapter have a setting to tell it to scan all lun's (rather than just lun0) ? |
| 19:07.10 | pozic_ | tec: 1+1=2. |
| 19:07.13 | pozic_ | tec: computation |
| 19:07.38 | pozic_ | tec: so, you could write a simple script which shows all device files. |
| 19:07.53 | pozic_ | tec: you could write that to a file and then disconnect the system and try again. |
| 19:08.14 | pozic_ | tec: then do diff <file 1> <file2> and you see whether anything changed. |
| 19:08.27 | zinx | ... or you could just check dmesg |
| 19:08.30 | pozic_ | tec: but I kind of expect that there is some documentation that comes with your system. |
| 19:08.34 | tec | pozic_: there are devices like /dev/0:0:1:0 |
| 19:08.48 | zinx | that doesn't look debian o_O |
| 19:08.49 | pozic_ | tec: so, you can format those then no? |
| 19:08.57 | tec | pozic_: looks like theese displayed by dmesg |
| 19:09.44 | tec | pozic_: /dev/0:0:1:0 is not a block special device. |
| 19:09.44 | tec | Proceed anyway? (y,n) y |
| 19:09.44 | tec | mke2fs: Device size reported to be zero. Invalid partition specified, or partition table wasn't reread after running fdisk, due to a modified partition being busy and in use. You may need to reboot to re-read your partition table. |
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| 19:10.21 | pozic_ | tec: I would not have pressed y directly. |
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| 19:10.52 | tec | pozic_: ok |
| 19:10.56 | pozic_ | tec: you didn't get any special documentation from anyone? What's the complete product name? |
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| 19:11.51 | tec | pozic_: from the array or the fc card? |
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| 19:12.11 | tec | the card is a: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic FC949X Fibre Channel Adapter |
| 19:12.17 | pozic_ | tec: the fc card. Which driver is it using already and so on. |
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| 19:13.32 | tec | pozic_: how can i look that up? |
| 19:13.53 | core_illa | what's the best platform for developing android aps? |
| 19:15.05 | pozic_ | tec: it should ne on the same line in the dmesg. It is also possible that it simply used the generic scsi driver. |
| 19:15.09 | pozic_ | be* |
| 19:16.11 | zig_ | How stable is xrdp? |
| 19:16.46 | zig_ | Or maybe I should ask: Does anyone here use xrdp regularly? Has there been any stability problems? |
| 19:18.26 | tec | pozic_: the outut is: [root@localhost dev]# dmesg |
| 19:18.26 | tec | ttached scsi generic sg12 type 12 |
| 19:18.26 | tec | scsi 2:0:10:12: RAID Transtec PV610F16R1B 347D PQ: 0 ANSI: 3 |
| 19:18.26 | tec | scsi 2:0:10:12: Attached scsi generic sg13 type 12 |
| 19:18.26 | tec | scsi 2:0:10:13: RAID Transtec PV610F16R1B 347D PQ: 0 ANSI: 3 |
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| 19:19.16 | tec | pozic_: only the beginning of dmesg |
| 19:19.30 | Sibul | imho sometimes debhelper overreacts :-)) |
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| 19:20.13 | tec | Sibul: yeah :) |
| 19:20.55 | pozic_ | tec: did you already check whether new devices were created? |
| 19:21.27 | pozic_ | tec: you probably use the CONFIG_FUSION option in your kernel. |
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| 19:21.53 | tec | pozic_: yes, there are some like sg01 |
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| 19:22.24 | tec | pozic_: these are created by the fc hba |
| 19:22.34 | pozic_ | tec: hba? |
| 19:22.47 | pozic_ | tec: I am not a storage specialist. |
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| 19:22.57 | pozic_ | !hba |
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| 19:23.38 | tec | pozic_: host based adapter |
| 19:23.48 | tec | pozic_: the fibre channel card |
| 19:24.07 | tec | pozic_: ill try what happens when i disconnect the arry |
| 19:24.13 | tec | pozic_: array* |
| 19:24.13 | pozic_ | tec: ok, so can you check whether any of the standard commands that work on devices can do anything? |
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| 19:24.52 | tec | pozic_: ill try |
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| 19:27.44 | cmacis | what a random number |
| 19:27.57 | hikenboot | hello can anyone recommend a good how to that shows how to configure sshd securely (somthing with a working sshd configuration file. I am having a terrible time trying to get a windows SCP setup with authentication that works with it |
| 19:28.23 | tec | pozic_: after removing the fiber i got rport-2:0-"xxx" blocked FC remote port time out: removing target and saving binding |
| 19:28.24 | valdyn | hikenboot: debian defaults work fine |
| 19:28.43 | hikenboot | ok thanks |
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| 19:31.11 | tec | pozic_: ive to go back to my office because my battery is drained |
| 19:31.20 | tec | pozic_: 10% left |
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| 19:38.07 | Cain | BW^- : add DenyUsers fred |
| 19:38.15 | Cain | (fred as example) |
| 19:38.40 | Cain | BW^- : add DenyUsers User to /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
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| 19:40.00 | BW^- | Cain: so i want to allow SSH login but not SFTP access. is this it? |
| 19:40.19 | valdyn | BW^-: thats nonsense |
| 19:40.34 | Cain | BW^- : nope it'll deny ssh and sftp access |
| 19:40.54 | valdyn | BW^-: once you are logged in via ssh you can transfer files |
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| 19:41.12 | Cain | BW^- : with ssh the user can still download whatever he want from the machine |
| 19:41.13 | valdyn | BW^-: therefore restricting sftp does not make sense |
| 19:41.26 | BW^- | it's a reboot-only ssh account |
| 19:41.47 | valdyn | BW^-: so make the shell /sbin/reboot |
| 19:42.04 | xingu | ip-over-system-uptime! |
| 19:42.20 | xingu | you know it makes sense |
| 19:42.26 | valdyn | BW^-: ^^^ thats the general idea, you have to fix permissions too |
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| 19:48.27 | BW^- | valdyn: i know. now, how do i make that account not work with sftp? |
| 19:48.31 | BW^- | but ssh only |
| 19:49.22 | valdyn | !tias |
| 19:49.23 | dpkg | TIAS is "Try It And See". |
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| 19:51.07 | cmacis | !dpkg |
| 19:51.08 | dpkg | from memory, dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
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| 19:52.05 | JonathanLima | hello. i`m new at debian and i`d like to know where/how i can configure which daemons to start at boot |
| 19:52.32 | valdyn | !sysv |
| 19:52.32 | dpkg | it has been said that sysv is dpkg --force-all --remove sysvinit && dpkg --force-all -i sysvinit && apt-get -f install |
| 19:52.37 | valdyn | ops |
| 19:52.57 | JonathanLima | i use arch on my desktop, but i`m installing debian on a amd K6-2, for network purposes... |
| 19:53.13 | valdyn | !rcconf |
| 19:53.13 | dpkg | rcconf is probably a frontend to update-rc.d, or check out <sysv-rc-conf> - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> |
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| 19:53.22 | valdyn | JonathanLima: ^ |
| 19:53.57 | JonathanLima | aww... just like gentoo... i see |
| 19:54.03 | JonathanLima | thx valdyn =] |
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| 19:54.56 | valdyn | JonathanLima: dont install services you dont need, then you dont need to mess with rcconf |
| 19:56.00 | JonathanLima | valdyn: well, some of the services i`ll need and still it`s not a good idea to leave them on always, since it`s still a amd K6 with low ram... |
| 19:56.12 | valdyn | JonathanLima: and no swap? |
| 19:56.32 | JonathanLima | valdyn: swap`s just too god damn slow |
| 19:56.44 | valdyn | JonathanLima: swap is faster than starting the service |
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| 19:56.52 | orudie | how can I install a language for my system in order to be recognized by java |
| 19:56.54 | JonathanLima | valdyn: but, i do have 600mb swap here |
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| 19:57.14 | orudie | i'm running an irc logbot , it works great with english but not with russian |
| 19:57.27 | orudie | the irc russian logs come out as question marks |
| 19:57.29 | JonathanLima | valdyn: since i got no xorg, i guess that`d be enough |
| 19:57.38 | valdyn | JonathanLima: sure |
| 19:57.42 | jair | i guess you can configure a runlevel with all the services you need or create an scritp that will start the services after the machine is up. |
| 19:57.57 | valdyn | JonathanLima: unused programs get swapped out |
| 19:58.15 | valdyn | JonathanLima: i would not worry about this at all till you hit a real problem |
| 19:59.19 | jair | valdyn you can read my messages I was testing an irc client on my iPhone. |
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| 19:59.48 | valdyn | jair: this one yes |
| 19:59.58 | rideh | is there somewhere i can read on the whys of iceweasel? |
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| 20:00.03 | jair | ok cool thank you |
| 20:00.06 | valdyn | !iceweasel |
| 20:00.06 | dpkg | Iceweasel is a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces it in Debian as of Etch. It is not GNU's Firefox fork (now known as <IceCat>). Ask me about <why iceweasel> and <iceweasel user-agent>. Use gnome-default-applications-properties to change settings such as the mail reader. No longer supported in Etch, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2009/msg00063.html and ask me about <d-s-a>. http://wiki.debian.org/Iceweasel |
| 20:00.11 | valdyn | rideh: ^^ |
| 20:00.25 | JonathanLima | valdyn: also, i`ll use this to remote access at work... so, leave apache and ftp on is also not a goot idea, since i could just hit ssh and then turn them on |
| 20:00.45 | rideh | valdyn, thanks. |
| 20:00.51 | valdyn | JonathanLima: but thats more work for you |
| 20:00.59 | rideh | one more question what is DFSG? |
| 20:01.04 | valdyn | !dfsg |
| 20:01.04 | dpkg | from memory, dfsg is the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which are explained at http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
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| 20:01.12 | rideh | lol... ok |
| 20:01.18 | rideh | from now on i'll do my own !queries |
| 20:01.49 | JonathanLima | valdyn: better than a ddos or a overload... never worked with old hardware, so i`m always trying to avoid problems like that |
| 20:02.50 | JonathanLima | also... where could i set a local ip? don`t want to use dhcp cuz i got other machines on the network that use dhcp and i`ll hit port fowarding on this one |
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| 20:03.53 | pand | hey guys! is there a way i can run a segfaulting application? maybe a special kernel that won't kill the segfaulting process, but just ignore the segfaulting operations? |
| 20:06.48 | mjt | pand: it's like asking how you can shot yourself with a gun but continue living... |
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| 20:08.04 | pand | mjt: it's a proprietary application, i have no idea how to fix the problem |
| 20:08.08 | rideh | excellent idea mjt - life support |
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| 20:09.27 | jair | I have been noticing that iceweasel run way slower and less reliable than firefox I am not sure if is because we are so behind on debian with the versions or what can be the reason, and I do not want to install firefox since I have already iceweasel on my debian lenny 5.0.3 |
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| 20:09.47 | stew | jair: iceweasel is firefox |
| 20:09.59 | rideh | doesnt run the same :/ |
| 20:10.05 | stew | yes it does |
| 20:10.16 | rideh | doesnt feel like it |
| 20:10.31 | stew | changing the name wouldn't make it slower |
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| 20:10.40 | rideh | well parts of it have been changed |
| 20:10.48 | rideh | otherwise whats the point in renaming it iceweasel |
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| 20:11.02 | rideh | to avoiding using dfsg frees or whatever |
| 20:11.12 | stew | rideh: the point is that mozilla told us we must rename it |
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| 20:11.55 | JonathanLima | how could i set a ip on debian`s machine mannually? |
| 20:11.58 | rideh | stew, i'm not trying to argue. but it is different otherwise why would the request renaming? |
| 20:12.09 | rideh | ifconfig |
| 20:12.26 | stew | rideh: becuase we aren't shipping the firefox icons |
| 20:12.31 | rideh | oh |
| 20:12.47 | stew | and we want to be able to provide security patches if they are needed |
| 20:12.54 | rideh | stew, how long does it take to catch up with current release? |
| 20:13.01 | JonathanLima | rideh: beg your pardon if i`m wrong, but, if i use ifconfig on the next boot that ip would be reseted... right? |
| 20:13.05 | stew | rideh: what do you mean? |
| 20:13.16 | rideh | 3.5.6 |
| 20:13.32 | rideh | is the current firefox version that plugins are trying to be compatible with |
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| 20:13.49 | rideh | also i've noticed some websites dont recognize iceweasel as a useragent and show me mobile versions of the websites |
| 20:13.49 | stew | rideh: 3.5.6 was uploaded 8 days ago |
| 20:14.01 | rideh | (thats a website coding issue but still annoying) |
| 20:14.03 | Cain | JonathanLima : vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:14.13 | stew | rideh: /msg dpkg iceweasel user-agent |
| 20:14.16 | pand | mjt: anyway it's interesting. while running from an xfs filesystem it has no problems. while running from a squashfs+aufs, it segfaults 14 times out of 15, while starting up |
| 20:14.27 | JonathanLima | Cain: ty =] |
| 20:14.55 | mjt | pand: it might be because it can't open some file |
| 20:15.11 | mjt | pand: happens sometimes with aufs and unionfs |
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| 20:15.20 | rideh | stew, lemme see what i need to do to update iceweasel then i'll test again then |
| 20:15.27 | mjt | pand: when the lower branch is readonly (like squash or ro nfs) |
| 20:16.18 | stew | rideh: you can download debian's diff here: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_3.5.6-1.diff.gz then run "zcat iceweasel_3.5.6-1.diff.gz | diffstat" to see what files debian is changing, you'll see that nothing we are changing could really affect performance |
| 20:16.26 | jair | does that mean that we can upgrade iceweasel in lenny to 3.5.6? |
| 20:16.48 | jair | interesting |
| 20:17.03 | rideh | Stew thanks for a very thorough answer- really. |
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| 20:17.39 | stew | rideh: "/msg dpkg why iceweasel" will point to the bug that mozilla filed in our bug tracker asking us to change the name |
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| 20:17.49 | nibblebot | hi, i've built a intel g41 based PC and installed debian and standard base system on it. It cannot startx and the xorg.conf is completely default. Debian docs mention that since Winter 2008 the configuration screens to pick your hardware are removed because autodetection was 'good enough'. My error is: (WW) intel: No matching Device section for instance ..., (EE) intel(0): no valid modes.. i think it's assuming vga, but i have HDMI |
| 20:17.50 | nibblebot | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:17.52 | stew | jair: no, 3.5.6 is in unstable |
| 20:18.02 | pand | mjt: strace -f -eopen , the last file it tries to open is open("/tmp/filefIHNa5", O_RDONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL|O_LARGEFILE, 01) = 33 |
| 20:18.16 | jair | stew: I see |
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| 20:18.33 | jair | stew: I guess we will need to wait then... =( |
| 20:18.39 | mjt | pand: it does not say anything |
| 20:18.45 | stew | jair: i don't know if it would ever be backported to lenny |
| 20:18.48 | pand | mjt: what did you say was read only |
| 20:18.49 | pand | ? |
| 20:19.02 | rideh | stew, why not? 3.6 out too soon? |
| 20:19.05 | pand | for me it is only /linux |
| 20:19.11 | pand | mjt: ^ |
| 20:19.30 | pand | mjt: which shouldn't be touched by this application |
| 20:20.06 | mjt | pand: in squashfs all files are readonly |
| 20:20.12 | stew | rideh: i don't know, i haven't looked specifically at what else needs to be backported with it, but if 3.5 was an easy backport i would have expected it to have shown up on backports.org by now |
| 20:20.52 | mjt | pand: aufs makes them back read-write, but with additional.. issues |
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| 20:21.25 | rideh | stew, so can i apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel ? or will that cause problems |
| 20:21.35 | mjt | pand: like `test -w foo' (test for writabilty) may return false while you can write to that file |
| 20:21.44 | stew | rideh: what version of debian are you running? |
| 20:23.56 | jair | I am running lenny 5.0.3 64bit |
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| 20:25.17 | simonrvn | nibblebot: "Device" == hardware ; "mode" display mode, res., etc. since it can't "see" a device, there is no mode. the latter is kinda moot ;). you might want to play with X -configure |
| 20:25.20 | rideh | stew: sorry yea me too 5.0.3 64bit |
| 20:25.56 | stew | rideh: then no, you'd not want to install the unstable package, you'd have to basically upgrade to unstable to get all the dependencie |
| 20:25.59 | stew | s |
| 20:26.36 | rideh | thats annoying. so what if i download the firefox 3.5.6 sources and build them? |
| 20:26.39 | jair | stew: but I am just been honest on what I have been noticing between how fast and reliable the version of firefox 3.5.6 on ubuntu compared with the iceweasel of lenny 5.0.3 (64bit) |
| 20:26.59 | jair | stew: I see |
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| 20:27.12 | pand | mjt: test -w seems to work fine for my setup |
| 20:27.37 | stew | rideh: "/msg dpkg ssb" is instructions on backporting, I don't know how much you'd need to backport, as I said before. |
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| 20:27.53 | simonrvn | nibblebot: you'll need to do lspci -nn | grep -i display and feed it to judd (a bot in here) to see what driver(s) you need to set in xorg.conf. |
| 20:29.09 | jair | stew: so basically the options I have is either run iceweasel until squeeze comes out or run unstable... |
| 20:29.38 | stew | jair: or testing, or try backporting it |
| 20:29.55 | stew | jair: it wouldn't suprise me if 3.5 is a speed improvement over 3.0 |
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| 20:30.11 | stew | jair: it WOULD suprise me if firefox were faster than iceweasel where both are the same version |
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| 20:30.55 | rideh | stew: wish i had more hours in a day so i could worry bout building my tools so they work.. unfortuantely i just need to be able to use them :/ |
| 20:31.16 | jair | understand. Make sense what you are saying and I am sure that the 3.0 might be slower and less compatible with sites, flash java |
| 20:31.34 | pand | mjt: any idea what other aufs issues could happen? or where to read about possible issues? some quick google searches didn't produce anything interesting |
| 20:31.59 | jair | well I lack of knowledge and need time and willingness to learn and start working on it =) |
| 20:32.00 | stew | jair: 3.0 should be no different than 3.5 with respect to flash and java, as those are really governed by the flash/java plugins more than icewaeasel which is hosting them |
| 20:32.22 | rideh | i just want the private browsing for my porn |
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| 20:32.46 | stew | rideh: what does that do? |
| 20:32.52 | stew | rideh: keep it out of hitory and such? |
| 20:32.58 | rideh | stew: yep |
| 20:33.20 | stew | rideh: create a separate profile? |
| 20:33.20 | rideh | stew: all session data is dropped at end of session instead of savig it (cookies etc) |
| 20:33.36 | rideh | stew, kinda silly if the functionality is already there |
| 20:33.53 | jair | interesting taht is just on the version 3.5.x? |
| 20:34.01 | rideh | jair: yea, |
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| 20:34.09 | jair | useful |
| 20:34.10 | rideh | jair: along with delete cookies temp from a time period |
| 20:34.26 | rideh | jair: so i can be logged into clients stuff with their passwords etc, and clear them out so they dont conflict when i'md one |
| 20:34.28 | jair | interesting, I haven't even check that on the other ubuntu laptop I have |
| 20:34.31 | rideh | jair: without losing all my stuff |
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| 20:34.50 | jair | ohh cool |
| 20:35.14 | jair | is that listed on the firefox 3.5.6 features or release notes? |
| 20:35.20 | rideh | jair: dunno i've been using that in windows 7 for a month or two |
| 20:35.29 | rideh | jair: didnt really pay attention to what version it came with |
| 20:35.55 | rideh | jair: i'd assume the same functionality is present in linux- though i have seen drag tab out of frame to create new window doesnt work in linux |
| 20:36.51 | jair | rideh: interesting. I have seen other people using that, but I will not even put it in my machines, not even as virtual machine. |
| 20:37.25 | rideh | jair: windows 7? |
| 20:38.18 | jair | correct |
| 20:38.33 | rideh | jair: why not? its actually pretty nice |
| 20:38.53 | jair | all the people and customers I have use and are happy with windows xp, they try to move to vista and was a very bad experience |
| 20:39.15 | rideh | jair: windows 7 is a different experience |
| 20:39.28 | rideh | jair: i've been using it since january and in the last 2 months i've moved a number of clients to it |
| 20:39.36 | rideh | jair: overall pretty satisfied |
| 20:39.51 | abrotman | !ot |
| 20:39.51 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 20:40.05 | rideh | abrotman, sorry :( |
| 20:40.11 | joker | [20:35:56] <rideh> jair: i'd assume the same functionality is present in linux- though i have seen drag tab out of frame to create new window doesnt work in linux << just tried it, it works |
| 20:40.12 | jair | honestly I do not need new viruses or new spyware. Linux is giving me all I need so far. sometimes If I most use windows then I turn on my virtual machine with xp. But as abrotman said Off teh topic =) |
| 20:40.28 | rideh | joker, what are you runing firefox or iceweasel? |
| 20:40.44 | joker | firefox |
| 20:40.52 | rideh | joker nice to know! |
| 20:41.27 | jair | joker: you are using firefox on debian? |
| 20:41.41 | jair | joker: or iceweasel? |
| 20:41.55 | joker | Firefox on Debian. |
| 20:42.23 | jair | joker: are you running it from the tar.gz source file? |
| 20:42.23 | sigmonsays | pinning? |
| 20:42.27 | sigmonsays | dpkg, pinning? |
| 20:42.28 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html#errata If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 20:43.05 | joker | Nope, used a 3.5.6 deb |
| 20:43.22 | rideh | joker i wasnt able to find it someoen took it back down. do you have it handy? |
| 20:43.38 | joker | Maybe, gimme a sec. |
| 20:44.15 | joker | No, sorry rideh. |
| 20:44.22 | rideh | was worht a try, thanks :) |
| 20:44.29 | joker | Sure thing. |
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| 20:47.30 | jhutchins_lt | judd: versions firefox |
| 20:47.31 | judd | jhutchins_lt: firefox -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 |
| 20:47.38 | jhutchins_lt | judd: versions iceweasel |
| 20:47.39 | judd | jhutchins_lt: iceweasel -- etch: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 etch-security: 2.0.0.19-0etch1 lenny: 3.0.6-1 lenny-security: 3.0.6-3 squeeze: 3.5.5-1 sid: 3.5.6-1 |
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| 20:48.40 | jhutchins_lt | rideh: You can get it from sid (unstable), it's in unstable for a reason, including some serious dependencies which have their own issues. |
| 20:49.00 | rideh | jhutchins, yea i think i'm just going to compile firefox from source |
| 20:49.11 | abrotman | and squeeze |
| 20:49.19 | abrotman | compile it? or use the binary installer? |
| 20:49.22 | rideh | spent enuf time already trying to figure out need something working already |
| 20:49.29 | rideh | abrotman, compile |
| 20:49.33 | jhutchins_lt | Ubuntu packages firefox 3.5.6 as a deb. |
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| 20:49.40 | abrotman | but this isn't ubuntu .. |
| 20:49.57 | jhutchins_lt | You can also use the mozilla installer. |
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| 20:50.26 | rideh | mozilla installer is only 32bit |
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| 20:51.04 | jhutchins_lt | Ah. |
| 20:51.13 | rideh | its sad but really firefox is more important to me than what os its running on (or distro) |
| 20:51.19 | fas3r | hello can you explain how to use the --nflog-group option with iptables .... |
| 20:51.32 | mjt | ghrm |
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| 20:51.47 | jhutchins_lt | I think there's a reason that the firefox installer is 32 bit. A 64 bit browser makes about as much sense as a V8 lawnmower. |
| 20:52.21 | rideh | but the 32 bit browser doesnt work with libia32 |
| 20:52.24 | rideh | er whatever |
| 20:52.59 | rideh | i came from gentoo, compiling isnt a big deal |
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| 20:55.05 | fas3r | it's just i don't understand what's the userspace correspoding .. it's jus a value to identifie the rules in iptables and the action in ulogd.conf ? |
| 20:55.39 | babilen | fas3r: #netfilter ;-) |
| 20:56.00 | fas3r | babilen: i have post on netfilter last 4 hours no answer :p |
| 20:56.24 | babilen | fas3r: alright, good luck then. I unfortunately do not know the answer |
| 20:56.33 | fas3r | no problem ^^ |
| 20:56.41 | fas3r | google too :s |
| 20:57.03 | fas3r | i means not relly good explanation about ulogd and nflog ^^ |
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| 20:58.15 | sean_koosa89 | Let's say I have about 2MB of static data (images, css, js) and I need to serve about 1TB worth of it per month to users who visit this site. What's the cheapest (but still fast) way to serve 1TB worth of static data per month? AWS S3? Dedicated server with lighttpd or nginx? shared hosting? |
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| 21:02.50 | rideh | judd: versions libIDL |
| 21:02.51 | judd | rideh: libIDL -- |
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| 21:03.32 | xingu | sean_koosa89: torrent :) |
| 21:05.27 | rideh | jair, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=41344 |
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| 21:08.17 | cesurasean | how do you guys suggest that i change from an apt version of apache to building from source? can i just configure, make, make install ontop of the older apt installation? will that affect anything? |
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| 21:10.35 | Psi-Jack | Is there a distribution based off Debian that it's main function is to act as an LVS server? |
| 21:10.38 | abrotman | cesurasean: compile from source and use equivs |
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| 21:10.47 | Psi-Jack | Using keepalived? |
| 21:11.00 | abrotman | !children |
| 21:11.01 | dpkg | children are concerned the situation is tolerable from this point of |
| 21:11.04 | abrotman | bleh |
| 21:11.06 | cesurasean | equivs? what shall i do with the older install of apache? remove it? |
| 21:11.32 | cesurasean | or can i build from source over this install? |
| 21:11.57 | abrotman | remove it .. you don't want conflicting random stuff |
| 21:12.36 | pand | i have a proprietary application that works fine on an xfs filesystem, but segfaults on an aufs+squashfs filesystem. Any idea what problems i should check for? |
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| 21:16.49 | jair | rideh: are you using the stable 3.0 version of iceweasel or you try the installation of the newer version? |
| 21:17.12 | jair | rideh: based on the two documents you sent me, I will try but i am not close to my computer yet |
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| 21:20.05 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 21:20.05 | dpkg | perlmonkey: grow a sense of humor |
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| 21:27.31 | jhutchins | abrotman: Isn't the preferred method to build a deb and install that? |
| 21:27.56 | macrobat | im trying to resize a partition with lvm on it. gparted can't do that directly. i removed a logical volume from the volume group. how can i shrink the volume group? |
| 21:27.59 | abrotman | eh? |
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| 21:30.11 | hoxu | macrobat, do you mean you want to shrink a PV? |
| 21:30.27 | macrobat | hoxu, yes |
| 21:30.34 | valdyn | macrobat: the volume group is as big as the sum of its members |
| 21:30.48 | valdyn | macrobat: do you really mean that you want to shrink or remove a pv? |
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| 21:30.56 | macrobat | i think my vg has unusedspace on it |
| 21:31.12 | valdyn | macrobat: vg cannot be resized directly. |
| 21:31.16 | hoxu | uh-oh |
| 21:31.17 | abrotman | jhutchins: what? |
| 21:31.49 | macrobat | i want to shrink the pv to be able to shrink the partition |
| 21:32.02 | hoxu | macrobat, well, you could pvmove stuff away from that PV, then remove it from the VG and mess with the partition afterwards... |
| 21:32.10 | macrobat | to make another partition... |
| 21:32.36 | valdyn | im not sure of pv can be shrunk while member of a vg |
| 21:32.38 | macrobat | i have 15G unused space, i removed a lv |
| 21:32.49 | valdyn | *certainly* you cannot do that while the vg is active |
| 21:33.08 | hoxu | macrobat, I don't understand the whole picture here |
| 21:33.43 | jair | thank you very much guys for this year of help. I hope next year myself be able to help newbies =) |
| 21:33.48 | jair | happy holidays all |
| 21:33.51 | macrobat | i'd like to make free space on my hdd for another partition, a partition outside lvm |
| 21:33.54 | jair | later |
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| 21:34.05 | valdyn | macrobat: forget about it if you dont have > free space than that pv total space |
| 21:34.47 | macrobat | the pv takes up all of the partition right now |
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| 21:35.41 | hoxu | macrobat, well, if your VG has more free space than your smallest PV, then you can use pvmove and remove the PV from the VG |
| 21:35.56 | valdyn | macrobat: nothing to add to what i said, if you dont have more free space than the pv you want to manipulate then forget about it |
| 21:35.59 | macrobat | i'd like to set the pv and vg to the total size of the used logical volumes |
| 21:36.27 | NightTail | hey everyone just installed the new dvd. I am having a few problems with some things. Last time I did an install it told me that i had restricted hardware because of my broadcomm and my video card but this time i do not get that message at all and 3d acceleration and my wireless is not working. I also can not figure out what program i need to grab that did it |
| 21:36.47 | valdyn | NightTail: sounds like youre using ubuntu? |
| 21:36.52 | macrobat | all of the vg is inside one pv |
| 21:36.55 | NightTail | hmm I used to |
| 21:36.56 | hoxu | macrobat, hum, as far as I know you can't resize active PVs |
| 21:37.21 | valdyn | NightTail: debian is not ubuntu, you wont get such messages on debian |
| 21:37.29 | abrotman | NightTail: what is your wifi/video ? |
| 21:37.36 | NightTail | broadcomm |
| 21:37.36 | hoxu | macrobat, why do you need a non-LVM partition anyway? |
| 21:37.43 | abrotman | which one ? |
| 21:37.46 | NightTail | i would have to search for the specs |
| 21:37.56 | abrotman | lspci -nn |
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| 21:38.23 | NightTail | bcm4328 |
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| 21:38.52 | macrobat | freebsd doesnt understand lvm. and i might migrate from lvm, i couldnt put it to much use |
| 21:38.52 | dabaR | !idea |
| 21:38.53 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of string, a little sauerkraut, and a dozen rabid ostriches. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 21:40.01 | abrotman | !tell NightTail about bcm4328 |
| 21:40.07 | hoxu | macrobat, hmm, have a look at man pvresize |
| 21:40.20 | macrobat | "active" pv means it has vg on it? or does "active mean it's mounted?" |
| 21:40.38 | NightTail | i see so if I want it to work with out the owe ndiswrapper I need to go to ubuntu |
| 21:40.43 | NightTail | whole even |
| 21:40.53 | macrobat | pvresize gave the error: too many metedata areas for pvresize |
| 21:40.56 | abrotman | it probably uses the same method .. just more magically for you |
| 21:41.01 | macrobat | *metadata |
| 21:41.18 | valdyn | NightTail: no, ubuntu does not have different drivers than debian, only different installers |
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| 21:42.49 | macrobat | i cant find what lvm "metadata" is supposed to be |
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| 21:43.55 | valdyn | macrobat: the manpage would tell you that you cannot shrink a non-empty pv |
| 21:44.11 | macrobat | i didnt see that? |
| 21:44.22 | valdyn | macrobat: its in "RESTRICTIONS" |
| 21:44.25 | hoxu | valdyn, actually: "if it has allocated extents after where its new end would be." |
| 21:44.30 | macrobat | ok, lvm seems les and less useable :) |
| 21:44.47 | valdyn | yea |
| 21:45.19 | valdyn | and last i checked there was no defragger or similar either |
| 21:45.31 | macrobat | "pvresize will refuse to shrink PhysicalVolume if it has allocated extents after where its new end would be." |
| 21:45.54 | macrobat | allocated means used in a lv? |
| 21:46.05 | valdyn | macrobat: you are supposed to understand this before you set up lvm, in which case you can use small pv to be able to free sufficient space easier |
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| 21:46.35 | hoxu | macrobat, yes |
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| 21:47.26 | macrobat | well, the lv i removed isnt in use and it was at the end of the vg |
| 21:47.45 | macrobat | tldp said nothing about this, iirc |
| 21:48.00 | hoxu | end of the PV, you mean? |
| 21:48.25 | macrobat | yes, hoxu, that too |
| 21:48.26 | hoxu | macrobat, do you have unused space on another disk? |
| 21:48.41 | macrobat | only one disk right now |
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| 21:49.14 | macrobat | i dont have a spare disk big enough |
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| 21:49.58 | hoxu | what can I say... this is the reason why I don't usually use whole disk for a single PV :P |
| 21:50.19 | macrobat | i have to backup, remove lvm and reinstall in regular partitions |
| 21:50.40 | macrobat | the pv is more than half the disk :) |
| 21:50.53 | valdyn | macrobat: im not entirely understanding why regular partitions would give you an advantage to proper setup lvm |
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| 21:51.31 | valdyn | macrobat: problem is you set it up wrongly and have no spare disk to fix it |
| 21:51.50 | macrobat | some live distros and freebsd doesnt understand lvm, so i cant install freebsd on an lv |
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| 21:52.13 | macrobat | is there some better dokumentation on lvm than on tldp? |
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| 21:52.23 | valdyn | macrobat: thats probably a howto |
| 21:52.42 | valdyn | macrobat: howtos are not supposed to be complete documentation |
| 21:52.51 | valdyn | macrobat: manpages are, usually |
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| 21:53.05 | hoxu | and for everything else, consult valdyn :P |
| 21:53.14 | valdyn | ... |
| 21:53.35 | babilen | valdyn begs to differ |
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| 21:56.17 | macrobat | i have read the lvm manpages. |
| 21:56.32 | macrobat | meh, manpages :) |
| 21:56.47 | hoxu | !qotd224 |
| 21:56.47 | dpkg | <gribouille> I've already read the manuals |
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| 22:01.13 | xxtjaxx | Hi every one which mirrors can In get to have KDE4 backports for lenny? |
| 22:01.21 | xxtjaxx | if there are any? |
| 22:01.28 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net |
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| 22:02.24 | xxtjaxx | allrighty |
| 22:02.29 | xxtjaxx | xerc |
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| 22:04.17 | rgammans | I need to upgrade python-gobject , anyone unders the gnome dep knots well enought ohelp me untied them |
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| 22:16.53 | nat2610 | hey I want a .deb to require qt4.6, I see an unoffial repository that package it here : http://packages.qa.debian.org/q/qt4-x11/news/20091204T183707Z.html if I install it then what should I put for the version of qt I requires ? 4.6 or 4:4.6.0-1 ... or something else ? |
| 22:18.05 | Cain | wishes peaceful and snowy Christmas with family to ALL |
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| 22:20.20 | cast | airline lost my luggage on christmas eve, i'm kinda pissed, no presents this year! |
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| 22:21.11 | valdyn | nat2610: >= 4:4.6.0-1 |
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| 22:26.53 | nat2610 | cast, which airline ? |
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| 22:27.44 | abrotman | points at -offtopic |
| 22:27.44 | cast | qantas |
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| 22:29.40 | BCM43 | Hey I just installed debian testing on my acer aspire one via a usb flash drive, and it boots into grub rescue. I tried to get super gub disk to fix it, but it hangs on the command embed /grub/e2fs_stage1_5 (hd1,0) |
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| 22:41.57 | Hardisk | hey |
| 22:42.01 | Hardisk | i have a lil problem |
| 22:42.08 | Hardisk | My server is a debian 5 |
| 22:42.14 | Hardisk | laptop with Fedora 11 |
| 22:42.26 | Hardisk | All two plugged with an RJ45 |
| 22:42.31 | Hardisk | My laptop have wifi |
| 22:42.48 | Hardisk | and i would like to have internet on my server with my laptop Wifi |
| 22:43.00 | valdyn | !ipmasq |
| 22:43.01 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/ . The ipmasq package was removed from Debian post-Lenny to resolve bug #538384. |
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| 22:43.10 | Hardisk | ??? |
| 22:43.20 | Hardisk | I don't have access to internet on my servz... |
| 22:43.24 | Hardisk | actually |
| 22:43.41 | Hardisk | For the installation of the server i don't have internet on this room |
| 22:43.43 | valdyn | Hardisk: the laptop is the server in your case |
| 22:43.46 | Hardisk | only with my laptop wifi |
| 22:44.00 | Hardisk | i don't speak english very good :/ |
| 22:44.16 | valdyn | Hardisk: replace "server" with "laptop" in what dpkg said |
| 22:44.22 | Hardisk | ^^ |
| 22:44.37 | valdyn | Hardisk: except that dpkg never talks about server ;) |
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| 22:44.51 | Hardisk | no special configuration On Debian 5? |
| 22:44.59 | valdyn | Hardisk: if that is a windows desktop, ask #windows how to enable internet connection sharing |
| 22:45.04 | Hardisk | just Plug & Play with ipmasq |
| 22:45.10 | Hardisk | I don't have windows |
| 22:45.14 | Hardisk | laptop is on Fedora 11 |
| 22:45.18 | Hardisk | don't have aptitude too :D |
| 22:45.23 | valdyn | Hardisk: then ask in #fedora |
| 22:45.30 | Hardisk | yeah ok |
| 22:45.48 | valdyn | Hardisk: obviously you do have to get a functional network link between those 2 computers |
| 22:46.01 | Hardisk | oui |
| 22:46.01 | valdyn | Hardisk: that might be working by default though |
| 22:46.06 | valdyn | Hardisk: thats to avahi |
| 22:46.11 | valdyn | Hardisk: thanks to avahi |
| 22:46.19 | Hardisk | it's not |
| 22:46.27 | valdyn | Hardisk: how do you know? |
| 22:46.28 | Hardisk | they are plugged by RJ45 actually |
| 22:46.51 | rgammans | Hardisk: Have you got a hub or a x-over cable? |
| 22:46.57 | Hardisk | on Debian : ping google.fr , ping : unknow host google.Fr |
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| 22:47.05 | Hardisk | what is a hug/x-over? |
| 22:47.08 | valdyn | Hardisk: that is internet connection sharing |
| 22:47.12 | Hardisk | standard RJ45 |
| 22:47.25 | valdyn | Hardisk: before internet can work |
| 22:47.31 | valdyn | Hardisk: the local net has to work |
| 22:47.38 | valdyn | Hardisk: ( how obvious ) |
| 22:47.53 | Hardisk | :D |
| 22:47.53 | pand | Hardisk: on the laptop: iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s serverip -j SNAT --to laptop_external_ip; iptables -I FORWARD -t filter -j ACCEPT; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward; and on the server: route add default gw laptop_ip; echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" > /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:48.01 | rgammans | Hardisk: what does mii-tool tell you |
| 22:48.03 | Hardisk | cry |
| 22:48.10 | pand | Hardisk: how i didn't forget anything |
| 22:48.17 | valdyn | pand: thats not going to work on half of the systems at least |
| 22:48.41 | pand | valdyn: why is that? |
| 22:48.48 | valdyn | pand: resolvconf package |
| 22:48.53 | Hardisk | how can i know the server IP? |
| 22:48.54 | pand | valdyn: ohh |
| 22:49.19 | valdyn | i think this is easiest solved by using avahi-autoipd |
| 22:49.28 | pand | Hardisk: in what i wrote the server ip is the local ip of the server, you can see it with ifconfig |
| 22:49.28 | valdyn | ( the network link between both ) |
| 22:49.50 | Hardisk | There is no local IP |
| 22:49.53 | rgammans | valdyn: not if Phys is down |
| 22:50.03 | Hardisk | Juste have 127.0.0.1 and 255.0.0.0 |
| 22:50.04 | pand | valdyn: what i wrote is only the internet sharing between the two, you first have to set up the local connection |
| 22:50.06 | valdyn | rgammans: umm? |
| 22:50.19 | valdyn | pand: yea |
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| 22:50.22 | pand | Hardisk: sorry, the last message was for you |
| 22:50.26 | Hardisk | ? |
| 22:50.42 | pand | Hardisk: what i wrote is only the internet sharing between the two, you first have to set up the local connection |
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| 22:50.52 | valdyn | Hardisk: first things first, get a link working between those 2 computers first |
| 22:51.00 | Hardisk | ok |
| 22:51.03 | Hardisk | how can i do that? |
| 22:51.05 | valdyn | Hardisk: once that works, ask #fedora about internet connection sharing |
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| 22:51.18 | pozic | Is there a binary news client which can keep on running forever? |
| 22:51.30 | fas3r | can i use QOS on a protocole ? |
| 22:51.35 | valdyn | pozic: any |
| 22:51.46 | valdyn | fas3r: i dont know if you can, linux can |
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| 22:51.52 | pozic | valdyn: hellanzb and nzbget both crash. |
| 22:52.31 | pozic | valdyn: I thought I had found the best client with nzbget, but unfortunately, I have to find something else again. |
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| 22:52.47 | daffidity | judd versions emerald |
| 22:52.48 | judd | daffidity: emerald -- |
| 22:52.57 | pozic | I don't see how people cannot just handle all the cases. |
| 22:52.59 | valdyn | pozic: no idea, try "nzb" ? |
| 22:53.19 | pozic | valdyn: that's some GUI application, right? |
| 22:53.25 | valdyn | pozic: you dont understand how software can have bugs? |
| 22:53.28 | valdyn | pozic: yea, qt |
| 22:53.31 | pozic | valdyn: I have the impression those don't automate a lot. |
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| 22:53.46 | pozic | valdyn: unparring, verifying, unrarring, and so on. |
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| 22:53.57 | pozic | valdyn: that saying, I haven't actually used nzb. |
| 22:54.21 | pozic | valdyn: I understand that there are lots of ways in which you can be sure that you covered all the cases. |
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| 22:55.02 | valdyn | pozic: or there is alot more ways a software can crash than anyone can check in limited time |
| 22:55.35 | valdyn | pozic: im sure those things you used could be trash though ;) |
| 22:56.20 | pozic | valdyn: I don't believe that. Software based on Coq won't crash for reasons other than hardware failures. |
| 22:56.22 | valdyn | pozic: maybe they are not "crashing" but not failing gracefully at a missing unrar or somesuch |
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| 22:56.47 | pozic | valdyn: "segmentation fault" and they implement the par verifying themselves (stupid). |
| 22:56.53 | valdyn | pozic: were talking about nzb clients |
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| 22:57.15 | pozic | valdyn: yes, and it is typical that those automate the whole chain. |
| 22:57.37 | pozic | valdyn: or maybe I am spoiled ;) |
| 22:59.51 | pozic | valdyn: do you use binary news? If so, how? |
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| 23:09.36 | Cain | trying to put a basic access restriction with .htaccess no chance :/ http://dpaste.net/10 am I missing something ? |
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| 23:15.55 | crazy3k | I have the following /etc/network/interfaces: http://pastebin.com/m2e923431 Everything's alright but for some reason /etc/resolv.conf is not filled automatically with the DNS IP address. Any idea? |
| 23:18.22 | valdyn | crazy3k: is the resolvconf package installed? |
| 23:19.42 | crazy3k | valdyn: Are you 24/7 here? :) |
| 23:19.54 | crazy3k | valdyn: No it's installed. Could that be the problem? |
| 23:20.12 | valdyn | crazy3k: needs to be installed |
| 23:20.15 | crazy3k | valdyn: Remember that I had a pretty small script that worked ok, and it didn't use that package AFAIK. |
| 23:20.53 | valdyn | crazy3k: whats getting into your resolv.conf? the nameserver via eth0? |
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| 23:21.19 | valdyn | crazy3k: eth0 via dhcp and ppp at a time might give conflicting nameservers |
| 23:21.32 | crazy3k | valdyn: 192.168.1.1 if I recall correctly |
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| 23:21.48 | valdyn | crazy3k: that got to be the wrong one? |
| 23:22.06 | crazy3k | valdyn: That's what appeared in /etc/resolv.conf after rebooting. |
| 23:22.12 | crazy3k | valdyn: Of course it's wrong. |
| 23:22.23 | valdyn | crazy3k: you need to change dhcp configuration |
| 23:22.37 | valdyn | crazy3k: you can make eth0 static or fix the dhcp config |
| 23:22.50 | crazy3k | valdyn: maybe I should put dhcp in ppp0? |
| 23:23.04 | valdyn | crazy3k: no, ppp has its own mechanism |
| 23:23.09 | crazy3k | Ok. |
| 23:23.29 | crazy3k | Which one is better? |
| 23:23.38 | valdyn | crazy3k: this isnt about better |
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| 23:23.59 | valdyn | crazy3k: its about 2 conflicting interfaces each trying to set your dns server |
| 23:24.16 | crazy3k | valdyn: No, I was talking about the two alternatives you just gave me. |
| 23:24.28 | valdyn | crazy3k: none is better |
| 23:24.28 | crazy3k | valdyn: static eth0 vs. dhcp config |
| 23:24.37 | crazy3k | valdyn: Ok. Simpler? |
| 23:24.44 | valdyn | crazy3k: none is simpler |
| 23:24.59 | crazy3k | valdyn: Ok. Tell me how to do any of them :P |
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| 23:26.42 | valdyn | crazy3k: remove the "domain-name-servers" from /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf at the "request... " line |
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| 23:29.44 | jhutchins_lt | Hm, didn't realize that alien will turn a tar.bz into a .deb. |
| 23:29.56 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: bad bad idea |
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| 23:30.18 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: care to elaborate? |
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| 23:30.43 | valdyn | jhutchins_lt: not now, im gone |
| 23:30.46 | jhutchins_lt | valdyn: Isn't that better than installing the tar.bz directly? |
| 23:31.02 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: I think the idea is that alien is a hack. |
| 23:31.04 | crazy3k | valdyn: Ok. Do I have to tell ppp to get a DNS IP or it's done automatically? |
| 23:31.32 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: for programs to work correctly they need certain dependencies, which might not be the same on different operating systems. |
| 23:31.47 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: so, while most of the time it might work ok, there is no reason to know so. |
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| 23:35.02 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: Still, if the alternative is to install from the tar.gz, at least with alien it will be in the apt database. |
| 23:35.41 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: is this for something important or for your personal machine? |
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| 23:36.32 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: you can also just install it under /opt in both cases. |
| 23:36.53 | jhutchins_lt | pozic: No, someone was asking about installing firefox 3.5 earlier, and I cam across that as a possible method. |
| 23:37.18 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: there are backports for that, I think. Also, Chrome is much faster. |
| 23:37.48 | pozic | jhutchins_lt: unless you use lots of extensions, Chrome is superior in just about every way. |
| 23:39.33 | abrotman | votes for amaya! |
| 23:39.56 | pozic | !amaya |
| 23:39.56 | dpkg | [amaya] a graphical HTML editor with browsing capabilities, developed by the World Wide Web Consortium. Removed from Debian to resolve bug #522418. http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ #amaya on irc.w3.org (port 6665). |
| 23:40.09 | bnadland1 | votes for uzbl! |
| 23:40.12 | pozic | Removed from Debian, haha. |
| 23:40.23 | beardy | Vote where? |
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| 23:40.47 | beardy | wonders where she went. |
| 23:41.09 | pozic | Debian should have an application named bug, which takes a number and browses to the bug. |
| 23:41.26 | cast | pozic: umm.. |
| 23:41.39 | pozic | Or even better, modify terminal emulators, such that they recognize it. |
| 23:41.59 | abrotman | pozic: there is |
| 23:42.03 | stew | pozic: bts in devscripts |
| 23:42.03 | beardy | Noone is stopping you from creating an alias. |
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| 23:43.00 | pozic | Cool. |
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| 23:44.38 | pozic | bts show <number> works, indeed. |
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| 23:46.34 | abrotman | you thought we were lying?! |
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| 23:48.00 | pozic | abrotman: you thought, I wasn't expecting something like that to be there? |
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| 23:48.17 | pozic | abrotman: it was an act the whole time, of course. |
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| 23:49.04 | stew | bts --mbox show is awesome |
| 23:49.42 | pozic | bts bugs: Please set DEBEMAIL or EMAIL to your Debian email address. |
| 23:49.48 | pozic | stew: I am not impressed. |
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| 23:50.50 | pozic | Has anyone here ever actualy met whoever is now in charge of Debian? |
| 23:51.18 | abrotman | you mean the DPL ? |
| 23:51.44 | pozic | !DPL |
| 23:51.44 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Steve McIntyre. See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 23:51.49 | pozic | abrotman: yes |
| 23:52.05 | cast | are you thinking he might be a fictional creation |
| 23:52.32 | abrotman | pozic: lots of people .. he even has Debian parties |
| 23:52.55 | abrotman | or invites Debian people to his BBQs i guess |
| 23:53.02 | pozic | abrotman: well, I meant people who are actually in this channel. |
| 23:53.42 | abrotman | oh, i'm sure someone has .. he's in .uk .. so they're probably waiting for santa |
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| 23:55.59 | abrotman | pozic: i can verify at least one person in here has |
| 23:56.03 | Kobaz | how do i show what processess are currently locking asla |
| 23:56.06 | Kobaz | alsa |
| 23:56.32 | xand | what do you mean locking it? |
| 23:56.56 | pozic | Kobaz: lsof |
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| 23:57.13 | pozic | Kobaz: good luck reading the manpage. |
| 23:57.18 | Kobaz | ALSA lib pcm_dsnoop.c:593:(snd_pcm_dsnoop_open) unable to open slave |
| 23:57.20 | abrotman | or fuser |
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| 23:57.36 | Kobaz | well the problem is alsa doesn't really use files, it's all system calls |
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| 23:58.01 | Kobaz | they stupidly broke the conventions |
| 23:58.17 | BenBE | Easy way to get the (dhcp-configured) IPv6 Gateway of an active interface? |
| 23:59.13 | Kobaz | pozic |
| 23:59.31 | Kobaz | pozic: the problem is... a user can lock up alsa for other users... if you are root you can bypass the lock |