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| 00:00.30 | pozic | Kobaz: there are these things called mixers. |
| 00:00.42 | pozic | Kobaz: for 10$ you have them in hardware. Problem solved. |
| 00:01.00 | Kobaz | pozic: it's not a mixer problem, it's an alsa problem |
| 00:01.05 | Kobaz | my card supports mixing |
| 00:01.30 | pozic | Kobaz: ok, so there is a DoS attack possible on ALSA? |
| 00:01.47 | Kobaz | one way to look at it |
| 00:01.47 | Kobaz | heh |
| 00:02.14 | pozic | Kobaz: well, file a bug, hire someone, or fix it yourself. |
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| 00:02.16 | Syniq | Merry bloody Christmas. :p |
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| 00:02.21 | Kobaz | yeah yeah :P |
| 00:02.41 | dv_ | a user can lock up alsa? |
| 00:02.44 | Kobaz | yeah |
| 00:02.56 | pozic | Kobaz: I doubt anyone knows the answer to your very specific problem now. |
| 00:03.05 | dv_ | I thought only oss had this problem |
| 00:03.11 | Kobaz | pozic: i'm still trying to figure out how to start debugging |
| 00:03.14 | pozic | Kobaz: it is a very special and very uncommon problem, though. |
| 00:03.24 | michaels_ | Get windows keys for only 5 eur http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) |
| 00:03.41 | dv_ | btw. nobody really does hardware mixing anymore |
| 00:03.46 | Kobaz | dv_: usually with alsa you can open it as long as the hardware is there |
| 00:03.55 | dv_ | doesnt pay off compared to sw mixing |
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| 00:04.09 | pozic | dv_: it pays in that it always works. |
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| 00:04.23 | Kobaz | pozic: yeap |
| 00:04.38 | dv_ | isnt dmix enabled by default these days? |
| 00:04.42 | pozic | michaels_ actually thought we valued Windows here. |
| 00:04.53 | abrotman | he's gone |
| 00:04.58 | pozic | I know. |
| 00:05.06 | Kobaz | Critical: Cannot open ALSA driver for PCM playback: Device or resource busy |
| 00:05.16 | dv_ | Kobaz, perhaps an OSS program is active |
| 00:05.26 | Kobaz | mm, possibly |
| 00:05.32 | Kobaz | oss will block out alsa? |
| 00:05.34 | pozic | dv_: dmix has only worked correctly for me since a few months. |
| 00:05.37 | dv_ | For some bizarre design reason yes. |
| 00:05.39 | abrotman | stew: did judd go away on OFTC ? |
| 00:05.48 | Kobaz | i kinda thought that happened, but i never really tracked it down |
| 00:05.53 | dv_ | alsa-oss does not go through dmix |
| 00:06.10 | Kobaz | stupid legacy oss apps lying around |
| 00:06.49 | dv_ | I always wonder whats so damn complicated about a sound mixer, even though other operating systems have had one for over a decade |
| 00:06.56 | Kobaz | yeah i dunno |
| 00:07.03 | pozic | dv_: probably nothing. |
| 00:07.16 | pozic | dv_: just that everyone _thinks_ it is hard. |
| 00:07.26 | Kobaz | ghetto |
| 00:07.32 | Kobaz | it was zoiper that was the culprit |
| 00:07.38 | Kobaz | it supposidly uses alsa though |
| 00:07.46 | pozic | dv_: I also wouldn't know where to find the specifications for all the protocols and all that. |
| 00:08.05 | dv_ | pozic, the state of sound in linux in general seems overcomplicated and bloated to me |
| 00:08.05 | Kobaz | stupid closed source software |
| 00:08.06 | pozic | dv_: so, those things would probably keep people from doing so. |
| 00:08.24 | Kobaz | oss should be a proxy through alsa |
| 00:08.28 | Kobaz | problem solved |
| 00:08.30 | pozic | dv_: I don't know whether it is bloated. It is more like that people don't make choices. |
| 00:08.32 | dv_ | Kobaz, it is ... sort of |
| 00:08.44 | Kobaz | dv_: it still has a bunch of legacy stuff hanging in there |
| 00:08.52 | pozic | dv_: or they make the wrong choices (see Ubuntu). |
| 00:09.05 | dv_ | Kobaz, http://insanecoding.blogspot.com/2009/06/state-of-sound-in-linux-not-so-sorry.html |
| 00:09.10 | Kobaz | pulseaudio is a cool idea, but like, it's a considerable amount of overhead in some cases |
| 00:09.13 | dv_ | pozic, pulseaudio, eh? |
| 00:09.23 | pozic | dv_: yes. |
| 00:09.44 | Kobaz | like, application independent volume, proxying audio to another pc, etc |
| 00:09.51 | Kobaz | all that's pretty cool but it should be done in kernel land |
| 00:10.07 | pozic | Yes, but the basic stuff didn't actually work. |
| 00:10.15 | Kobaz | not shuffeling data between 3 different layers and adding 200ms of delay in some cases |
| 00:10.21 | dv_ | what is really necessary is a low-latency sound api with sane api design and built-in support for software mixing |
| 00:10.41 | pozic | I think it does now, though, but it was completely ridiculous that it has been so long in Ubuntu. |
| 00:10.55 | pozic | dv_: the problem is that CPUs are not real-time. |
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| 00:11.10 | dv_ | oss4 looks fine, but I guess it uses floating point code, which is a big no-no in kernel land |
| 00:11.27 | dv_ | pozic, hard-realtime is possible |
| 00:11.32 | pozic | Why can't this context switching work in parallel? |
| 00:11.46 | dv_ | since it just means you get a guarantee about the time it takes to finish the task |
| 00:12.05 | mesula | In Debian stable and oldstable releases, do developers fix minor non-critical bugs such as badly contrasted font colours in GTK or QT themes? |
| 00:12.08 | pozic | dv_: you mean by using the very, very slow guarantees made by the CPU vendors? |
| 00:12.31 | pozic | dv_: I never ran the numbers myself, but is it actually fast enough? |
| 00:12.32 | dv_ | erm, why do they matter? |
| 00:12.48 | pozic | dv_: because you want to hear sound before you die of old age. |
| 00:13.13 | dv_ | cpus are really fast enough for realtime mixed audio |
| 00:13.22 | dv_ | in fact, they have been since the days of the 486s |
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| 00:13.25 | Kobaz | heh |
| 00:13.29 | Kobaz | mmm 486 |
| 00:14.03 | pozic | dv_: ok, so it is just that nobody actually produced a useful piece of software carefully paying attention to these things. |
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| 00:14.14 | dv_ | guess so |
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| 00:14.45 | dv_ | of course a sound api where different processes send sound data to the mixer is more difficult to develop |
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| 00:15.08 | dv_ | because you need to worry about how to pass that data |
| 00:15.09 | acu | howto switch the sound from an stereo usb headphone to sound card in iceweasel youtube ? |
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| 00:15.32 | pozic | acu: you unplug the headphone for example. |
| 00:15.38 | dv_ | I guess this is where dmix had problems |
| 00:16.18 | pozic | acu: or you simply start whatever pulse audio thing you use. I cannot test it on this particular machine. |
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| 00:18.22 | acu | what is difference between pulse and alsa ? |
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| 00:19.12 | babilen | !tell acu -about pulseaudio |
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| 00:20.50 | cesurasean | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:21.52 | babilen | cesurasean: why should there? and why build it by source? |
| 00:22.12 | cesurasean | i need SNI |
| 00:22.18 | cesurasean | lenny is only running 2.2.9 |
| 00:22.49 | babilen | cesurasean: then recompile the package (possibly a newer one) and enable whatever you need to enable |
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| 00:23.35 | cesurasean | recompile? |
| 00:23.43 | babilen | judd: versions apache2 |
| 00:23.43 | judd | babilen: apache2 -- etch: 2.2.3-4+etch6 etch-security: 2.2.3-4+etch11 sid: 2.2.9-10 lenny: 2.2.9-10+lenny2 lenny-security: 2.2.9-10+lenny6 sid: 2.2.11-2 sid: 2.2.14-4 squeeze: 2.2.14-4 |
| 00:23.55 | cesurasean | i have tried to install the newer deb, but it has tons of dep's |
| 00:23.56 | babilen | !tell cesurasean -about package recompile |
| 00:25.22 | babilen | which version do you need. and yes, backporting apache2 might be a lot of work. Does the version in lenny not support SNI? |
| 00:25.32 | Psi-Jack | Hmmm |
| 00:25.54 | Psi-Jack | My Debian server is constantly checking one filesystem at bootup with the exact same reason, root has gone 2212 days without being checked, check forced |
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| 00:27.20 | dvs | Psi-Jack: was there a problem with the file system? |
| 00:27.48 | Psi-Jack | dvs: No. |
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| 00:28.24 | Psi-Jack | It literally just checks it every boot up with the exact same number of days since last check, 2212 |
| 00:28.47 | Psi-Jack | I can reboot it now, again after just booting it up, and it will do it all over again. |
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| 00:30.49 | dvs | Psi-Jack: the only reason that happens to me is when there is a file system problem that needs to be corrected. |
| 00:31.06 | Psi-Jack | fsck had no errors. |
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| 00:34.58 | cesurasean | i have to add squeeze to my sources to run aptitude build-dep packagename, correct? |
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| 00:36.49 | dvs | Psi-Jack: I'd try using the tune2fs command to turn off the check count (i.e. tune2fs -c 0 /dev/sda1) |
| 00:36.53 | babilen | cesurasean: if the build dependencies come from squeeze ... but that might pull in a bunch of squeeze packages (make sure to pin the releases or set a default release) |
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| 00:38.35 | babilen | cesurasean: you are sure that you need apache >= 2.2.14 ? |
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| 00:39.34 | spersaud | how do you see the ban list for a channel ? im in irssi |
| 00:40.15 | babilen | cesurasean: is #461917 the bug that describes your problem/need? |
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| 00:40.37 | NiLon_ | spacepup there is no command for that in irssi, but irc protocol says that ban list can get requested with /mode #channel +b |
| 00:40.46 | Psi-Jack | Hmm, okay. Well, on a different note, I'm setting up keepalived, and having a problem. |
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| 00:41.37 | Psi-Jack | My keepalive master and soon to be slave are front-facing directors and collect the internet IP address, so I setup a VI_GATEWAY instance to use that IP as the virtual ip, but anything related to directing fails to go through. |
| 00:42.09 | Psi-Jack | And I'm trying to figure out how I'd setup the slave server to also work off the same external IP and not cause conflict. |
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| 00:49.06 | delight | can somebody tell me since when there is a 2.6.30 kernel in testing ? last time i tryed installing debian from a dayli-live cd the installer wouldn't recognize ext4 filesystems |
| 00:49.44 | dvs | there is a 2.6.30 kernel in testing |
| 00:50.04 | dvs | (and I'm not kidding) |
| 00:50.08 | babilen | delight: there are installers with a newer kernel |
| 00:50.15 | babilen | !tell delight -about kmuto |
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| 00:51.05 | omes | hmmm, anyone experiencing trouble with hibernate? |
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| 00:51.28 | omes | "hibernate:Warning: Tuxonice binary signature file not found." this is testing too btw. |
| 00:51.34 | jhutchins_lt | omes: Depends on the chipset. |
| 00:51.48 | Psi-Jack | kmuto? |
| 00:51.49 | omes | it worked quite well in the previous testing (etch) |
| 00:52.19 | babilen | Psi-Jack: yes, kmuto |
| 00:52.48 | babilen | omes: it's been a while since etch was testing |
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| 00:53.29 | omes | babilen: yeah, but it worked before i did the upgrade ;) |
| 00:53.46 | babilen | omes: you upgraded etch->squeeze ? |
| 00:53.46 | omes | actually it wasnt an upgrade it was a fresh install so im thinking i might have overlooked something |
| 00:54.24 | omes | babilen: well sort of, i had testing before (i just didnt upgrade it cause i had no internet) and now i have squeeze |
| 00:54.44 | Psi-Jack | So, I take it, no present keepalived knowing people handy? |
| 00:55.00 | babilen | omes: I never used tuxonice ... |
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| 00:55.37 | Hideki | Hi, on a dual core lenny system is there anyway to start an app on a particular core? |
| 00:55.45 | babilen | no |
| 00:55.56 | Hideki | meh -.- |
| 00:56.09 | Psi-Jack | Why would you want to? :p |
| 00:56.16 | Hideki | because I'm running two gameservers |
| 00:56.21 | Hideki | and they seem to both use the first core |
| 00:56.46 | Psi-Jack | sighs and just shakes his head. |
| 00:56.49 | Hideki | okay, the usage is only a few % but I was just thinking ahead |
| 00:56.57 | babilen | but why would you want that (especially with respect to thermal issues that might entail) |
| 00:57.04 | omes | Hideki: are you sure they're using the same core? |
| 00:57.14 | babilen | hmm, premature optimisation. Let the processor take care of that |
| 00:57.38 | Hideki | well, not 100% certain but only the first one seems to be moving in htop |
| 00:57.43 | cast | babilen: the kernel |
| 00:57.49 | cast | there is processor affinity |
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| 00:59.56 | xingu | Hideki: taskset(1) |
| 00:59.58 | babilen | Hideki: have a look at taskset |
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| 01:00.37 | Hideki | ahh, ty |
| 01:01.16 | Josh__ | I've got a couple dumb questions - 1) How do I find out the installed version of the debian OS on my Cobalt Raq2? 2) I'm sure it's horribly outdated - how do I go about upgrading it to lenny? |
| 01:01.17 | cesurasean | what is the best way to install SNI for apache on a debian lenny? anyone have a clue? |
| 01:01.18 | babilen | cast: thanks for the pointer. |
| 01:01.50 | babilen | Josh__: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 01:01.50 | cast | Josh__: /etc/debian_version |
| 01:01.57 | cast | what he said :< |
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| 01:02.30 | Josh__ | EWW, apparently it's 3.1 |
| 01:02.39 | cast | Josh__: not sure we support jumping releases, so you might have to upgrade to etch first then lenny, NFI what a cobalt raq2 is |
| 01:02.52 | babilen | that would be the way to go |
| 01:03.03 | cast | if it's been unpatched for a long time and been on unsecure networks, i'd reinstall |
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| 01:03.59 | Josh__ | cast, it's actually been powered off for most of it's lifetime. I can't get it to load the netboot installer, which is why I'd like to upgraded rather than reinstall. |
| 01:04.36 | cast | waves around debootstrap |
| 01:05.16 | babilen | might save quite some time |
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| 01:08.12 | Josh__ | I wouldnt mind reinstalling, if I could get the thing to netboot into the installer. Is there a debian-mips channel? |
| 01:10.09 | babilen | !tell Josh__ -about debootstrap |
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| 01:11.46 | takane2 | This is probably just me doing something stupid but no matter what keyword i type into ifconfig it suddenly decides to treat it as a host name |
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| 01:14.04 | markinfo | dpkg -i opera_10.10.4742.gcc4.qt3_amd64.deb |
| 01:14.04 | cesurasean | !tell cesurasean -about package recompile |
| 01:14.04 | dpkg | installs opera_10.10.4742.gcc4.qt3_amd64.deb into markinfo's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 01:14.14 | markinfo | dpkg: error processing opera_10.10.4742.gcc4.qt3_amd64.deb (--install): |
| 01:14.14 | markinfo | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.15 | dpkg | markinfo: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 01:14.34 | babilen | cesurasean: you can /msg or /query dpkg :-D |
| 01:15.00 | cesurasean | babilen, can you suggest what i should do to get this SNI working? |
| 01:15.24 | cesurasean | upgrading to a newer apache in lenny would support this |
| 01:15.39 | babilen | cesurasean: no, as I have not configured apache with SNI yet ... Is the bug i asked you about earlier the one that describes your problem? |
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| 01:16.39 | Psi-Jack | Well, blah. Setting up my secondary Debian keepalived router with a fresh base install of debian now. |
| 01:16.42 | dondelelcaro | markinfo: we don't support opera or its debs here. |
| 01:16.46 | markinfo | what ist wrong with that dpkg Command? http://paste.debian.net/54863/ |
| 01:16.50 | cesurasean | yes, 461917 |
| 01:16.53 | babilen | cesurasean: if yes, you would need at least 2.2.12 ... apart from upgrading to squeeze or backporting that version yourself there is not much you can do .. But if it pulls in *lots* of dependencies it might not be a good idea to keep such a mixed system |
| 01:16.58 | babilen | !ssb |
| 01:16.59 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 01:17.14 | babilen | cesurasean: ^^^^ |
| 01:17.21 | Psi-Jack | Does anyone here know keepalived that could help me out setting this up a little? |
| 01:17.21 | cesurasean | im thinking upgrading to squeeze |
| 01:17.40 | cesurasean | that seems to be the safest way to approach this issue |
| 01:17.44 | babilen | cesurasean: Is that a production system? |
| 01:18.00 | cesurasean | yes |
| 01:18.33 | cesurasean | how stable is squeeze right now? |
| 01:18.39 | babilen | markinfo: nothing wrong with the dpkg command. The deb seems to be broken though |
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| 01:18.56 | dondelelcaro | then you want lenny. also, you almost certainly don't want sni in prodction |
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| 01:19.12 | cesurasean | why not? |
| 01:19.14 | babilen | cesurasean: I would not suggest you to use squeeze on a production system |
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| 01:19.32 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: because only a few clients support it. |
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| 01:20.02 | dondelelcaro | cesurasean: just get more ips; they're pretty easy. |
| 01:20.05 | cesurasean | is there an alternative to hosting multiple SSL's on 1 ip address? |
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| 01:20.47 | Psi-Jack | dondelelcaro: And not cost effective. :p |
| 01:20.53 | dondelelcaro | corretico_: no. you get moremore. ips. |
| 01:21.19 | dondelelcaro | Psi-Jack: they're free. |
| 01:21.56 | cesurasean | free? lol |
| 01:21.57 | Psi-Jack | umm.. Yeah, nooo.. Not generally. |
| 01:22.44 | Psi-Jack | LAN Ip's, sure. Internet addressable IP's, no. |
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| 01:23.37 | dondelelcaro | Psi-Jack: if your isp is charging you much for them, they're ripping you pff. get a better isp. |
| 01:23.40 | dondelelcaro | (since your isp doesn't actually pay for them) |
| 01:24.30 | Psi-Jack | I dunno. I hadn't actually asked how much it'd cost to get another IP, yet. heh.I plan to though, get 2 more than the 1 I have now. |
| 01:25.15 | dondelelcaro | 1pswell, they're free from iana. whatever your isp chaqrges you is 100% markup |
| 01:26.11 | Psi-Jack | I do eventually plan to get my ipv6 bone working, though. ;) |
| 01:26.33 | Psi-Jack | Once I get these blasted keepalive routers both working and failing over. |
| 01:27.25 | mythomaniac | i'm trying to change the mouse cursor theme via ~/.Xdefaults file (using user ~/.icons for user mouse theme), but after having defined the theme that i want and restart the system the theme only comes up for the first few seconds as openbox comes up and then switches back to the system default - does anyone know what is going on? |
| 01:28.04 | cesurasean | how do i upgrade to squeeze? |
| 01:28.23 | markinfo | I think opera package is O.K. But synaptic as aptitude says now opera is broken and it does not allow to install any other program. |
| 01:28.25 | Psi-Jack | cesurasean: With a vice? ;) |
| 01:28.29 | mythomaniac | cesurasean, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list to squeeze |
| 01:28.54 | cesurasean | can someone tell dpkg to send me something on upgrading to squeeze |
| 01:29.02 | abrotman | !tell cesurasean about lenny->squeeze |
| 01:29.23 | dvs | it's his production system |
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| 01:29.45 | mythomaniac | production... best stick with stable... |
| 01:29.46 | cesurasean | (7:29:04 PM) dpkg: abrotman wants you to know: Remove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade. Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>. |
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| 01:29.54 | cesurasean | then s/lenny/squeeze? huh? |
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| 01:30.10 | dvs | that;s still testing |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | but use 'squeeze' |
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| 01:32.59 | markinfo | how can i remove some broken package (with purge) "apt-get remove opera" -> E: The package opera needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
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| 01:41.13 | abrotman | markinfo: man dpkg |
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| 01:48.08 | markinfo | dpkg --purge opera -> Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 01:48.09 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up opera -> Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. all over markinfo and luldongs... |
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| 01:49.53 | Tux^verdreifelt | purge is the only useful thing to do with opera :x |
| 01:50.02 | rumpsy | Happy xmas to everybody ! :D |
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| 01:53.14 | markinfo | how to remove package "opera" from my system? |
| 01:53.24 | Josh__ | I'm stuck. |
| 01:53.24 | cast | aptitude purge? |
| 01:53.38 | cast | dpkg --purge? |
| 01:53.40 | dpkg | cast: are you using Windows? |
| 01:53.54 | cast | Josh__: well shit. whatcha doing to do? |
| 01:54.06 | cast | markinfo: ahh, you have some nastyness eh, did you try to reinstall? |
| 01:54.20 | Josh__ | I tried to do a dist-upgrade, but glibc won't install, citing that apparently I need to upgrade my kernel. I tried upgrading my kernel and it won't install, citing that there's an unmet dependancy (and pointing out the botched glibc install) |
| 01:55.29 | markinfo | dpkg: error processing opera (--purge):Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 01:55.30 | dpkg | markinfo: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 01:55.51 | markinfo | reinstalation: http://paste.debian.net/54863/ |
| 01:56.21 | cast | Josh__: oh my, is there something about your system that got it into this broken state in the first place? |
| 01:56.37 | Josh__ | cast, it's *extremely* outdated |
| 01:57.03 | babilen | markinfo: you could try removing the /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/prerm *directory* |
| 01:57.24 | cast | so, it was at woody, or something, and you tried upgrading to etch? or lenny? |
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| 01:58.07 | fas3r | someone use ulogd2 ? |
| 01:58.28 | babilen | fas3r: I would think so |
| 01:58.59 | fas3r | i just want to know if i'm alone to don't see the mac adress in the table ulog2 .. |
| 01:59.22 | markinfo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:59.51 | babilen | markinfo: that was somewhat expected. As i said, the .deb was/is broken |
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| 02:00.10 | rumpsy | Sorry dpkg is not replying me |
| 02:00.30 | fas3r | babilen: i don't think so ... |
| 02:00.41 | markinfo | but it has blocked everything now. |
| 02:00.54 | babilen | fas3r: you don't think what? |
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| 02:01.16 | fas3r | talk with people use ulogd 2 ^^ |
| 02:01.51 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any apps that can download and add album artwork to AAC or MP3 files automatically or anything close to that? |
| 02:02.21 | abrotman | yes |
| 02:02.40 | abrotman | markinfo: man dpkg .. it tells you how |
| 02:03.02 | Josh__ | HOLY CRAP THE NETBOOT WORKED |
| 02:03.25 | Josh__ | time to reinstall lenny, woot! |
| 02:03.27 | babilen | Josh__: yes! |
| 02:03.34 | babilen | Josh__: what did the trick? |
| 02:04.03 | Josh__ | Probably a combination of fixing the network cable, and fixing the nfs export for /nfsboot |
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| 02:13.05 | markinfo | abrotman, -r, --remove, -P, --purge does not work ....offers dpkg something more? |
| 02:13.17 | abrotman | keep reading ? |
| 02:16.05 | markinfo | abrotman, dpkg --force-remove-reinstreq ? |
| 02:16.31 | abrotman | did you try it ? |
| 02:16.43 | markinfo | no yet. |
| 02:18.13 | fas3r | NFLOG maybe ? |
| 02:23.43 | markinfo | abrotman, i have found it - /var/lib/dpkg/info/opera.prerm/ is a directory - that is wrong - I had Disk crash some time ago and there has appeared some files to be directories at once. |
| 02:24.19 | abrotman | markinfo: didn't the other part help ? |
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| 02:26.01 | markinfo | abrotman, no it has just pointed me to this: "unable to delete control info file `/var/lib/dpkg/info/opera.prerm': Is a directory" and I already recognised what to do. ...manually delete it. |
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| 02:26.59 | markinfo | now it is possible to install opera without problems. .....so the deb of opera was nor broken! |
| 02:28.13 | cast | i like installing things in /usr/local, outside of package management, when they're not in your debian release |
| 02:28.17 | cast | seems to break less things. |
| 02:28.34 | cast | well, outside of debian's central package management |
| 02:28.41 | cast | uses stow for /usr/local |
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| 02:38.23 | markinfo | what means parameters : br-srw---- 1 1111843956 475711 66, 64 1995-09-29 02:48 libgssglue1.shlibs |
| 02:39.15 | markinfo | what means "b" ? |
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| 02:44.32 | markinfo | marek@debian-xfce:~$ ls -al /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgssglue1.shlibs |
| 02:44.32 | markinfo | br-srw---- 1 1111843956 475711 66, 64 1995-09-29 02:48 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgssglue1.shlibs |
| 02:44.47 | markinfo | is this nonsence? |
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| 02:47.41 | fas3r | sorry somebody use ulogd2 with NFLOG ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 02:47.50 | markinfo | I have deleted it manually. reinstalled libgssglue1 and marek@debian-xfce:~$ ls -al /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgssglue1.shlibs |
| 02:47.51 | markinfo | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25 2009-08-31 09:22 /var/lib/dpkg/info/libgssglue1.shlibs |
| 02:51.56 | Elive_user71_en | . |
| 02:52.26 | Elive_user71_en | gos -- thoughts.. |
| 02:52.43 | Elive_user71_en | ? |
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| 02:53.30 | abrotman | try #elive ? |
| 02:53.59 | Elive_user71_en | usin it |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | markinfo: i'd force an fsck |
| 02:54.09 | abrotman | Elive_user71_en: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 02:54.16 | geeXmas | !elive |
| 02:54.16 | dpkg | Elive (Enlightenment live CD) is a desktop distribution <based on Debian>, featuring the <Enlightenment> window manager. It is not Debian and thus not supported in #debian. http://www.elivecd.org/ #elive on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:54.57 | Elive_user71_en | yea -- how do u get unetbootin to run.. |
| 02:56.01 | abrotman | on what? for what ? |
| 02:56.01 | Elive_user71_en | da .bin file won't run |
| 02:56.15 | abrotman | on what? for what ? |
| 02:56.25 | Elive_user71_en | on elive, for gos |
| 02:56.29 | abrotman | wrong channel |
| 02:56.37 | abrotman | please go to #elive to get support |
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| 02:57.13 | Elive_user71_en | already tried.. |
| 02:57.33 | abrotman | not our problem, this channel isn't for supporting Elive users, try #elive or ##linux |
| 02:57.51 | geeXmas | !unetbootin |
| 02:57.51 | dpkg | UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows you to create bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions from Windows or Linux, without requiring you to burn a CD. You can either let it download one of the many distributions supported out-of-the-box for you, or supply your own Linux <iso> file if you've already downloaded one or your preferred distribution isn't on the list. http://unetbootin.sf.net/ |
| 02:58.02 | abrotman | geeXmas: you can stop now |
| 02:59.31 | Elive_user71_en | no one is willing to help.. com' on -- it's xmas eve |
| 02:59.38 | geeXmas | mc |
| 02:59.52 | Elive_user71_en | mc |
| 02:59.55 | abrotman | Elive_user71_en: please go to the appropriate channel |
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| 03:08.12 | fas3r | sorry somebody use ulogd2 with NFLOG ? ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
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| 03:51.37 | Psi-Jack- | Okay. I'm stuck with keepalived. When I have both routers up and running, both Master and Backup keepalived servers keep forcing a new election every second. |
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| 03:52.22 | abrotman | must be US citizens ... |
| 03:53.53 | Psi-Jack- | glares to abrotman. |
| 03:55.52 | abrotman | Psi-Jack-: sorry .. i'll go back to nummy beer |
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| 03:56.02 | Psi-Jack- | You do that, please. |
| 03:56.22 | abrotman | Psi-Jack-: is there a timeout function? |
| 03:56.39 | Psi-Jack- | Seriously, if you don't know keepalived, you can't help |
| 03:56.49 | simonrvn | glares *at* works better too |
| 03:57.01 | abrotman | sings to simonrvn |
| 03:57.24 | simonrvn | that's where you'd use 'to' ;p |
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| 03:58.35 | simonrvn | fuck, yesterday i was wonder if the zlib package still had that 'zlib1g' name... didn't bother using dpkg to find out (got too busy) but then this update for it comes, and guess what, it still does. that name hasn't changed in YEARS. |
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| 04:00.16 | simonrvn | fas3r: could you, you know, use more '?' ? |
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| 04:00.41 | fas3r | touch block old keyboard ^^ |
| 04:01.23 | fas3r | santa give me a mouse this year next but he forget the razor keyboard ... :p |
| 04:02.27 | Josh__ | < razor DeathAdder. |
| 04:02.35 | osast | a razor mouse? |
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| 04:02.43 | simonrvn | don't cut yourself |
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| 04:04.27 | benedikt | would it somehow be possible to bind a port from my local machine (behind nat) to a computer I am ssh-ing to? (something like a reverse ssh tunnel (-L)) |
| 04:04.56 | fas3r | what's the best way to execute " shell command / script " with php ? direct with shell_exec() or write what we want execute in files and use cron (it check if file exist and execute it if true) ..... |
| 04:05.10 | osast | benedikt: -R? |
| 04:05.29 | abrotman | fas3r: ask ##php |
| 04:05.55 | fas3r | yes .. but it's chrismas nobody ask ... they are all drunk ^^ |
| 04:06.10 | benedikt | osast: thanks. Checked the man page, seems to be what i was looking for, thanks :) |
| 04:06.55 | abrotman | fas3r: what makes you think we're not all drunk ?> |
| 04:07.28 | benedikt | abrotman: not high? |
| 04:07.44 | abrotman | benedikt: yeah .. at my mom's house .. it's a big hippie fest |
| 04:08.03 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 04:08.04 | fas3r | because it's the only day of a geek year can't stay in front of computer during dinner ^^ |
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| 04:08.50 | abrotman | fas3r: ask ##php and wait for an answer |
| 04:09.04 | fas3r | yeah it's not grave ;) |
| 04:09.19 | fas3r | people talk here i will see tomorrow |
| 04:09.30 | corretico | hello |
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| 04:11.38 | Pinchiukas | How do I find out what depends on a package? |
| 04:12.09 | rmayorga | Pinchiukas: apt-cache rdepends package |
| 04:12.11 | abrotman | apt-cache rdepends |
| 04:12.31 | Pinchiukas | Thanks. Sorry for the newbie question and not reading the fine manuals. :) |
| 04:12.47 | ninja | clear |
| 04:12.50 | ninja | sory |
| 04:18.12 | fas3r | i need to use mkinitramfs istead of mkinitrd ( to generate the initrd.img) ? |
| 04:18.28 | fas3r | after recompile new kernel |
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| 04:19.32 | osast | compile kernels the debian way, and not worry about it |
| 04:20.03 | fas3r | i did with the old school .. make clean modules modules_install bzImagz .. |
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| 04:20.27 | fas3r | you talk about generate a .deb ? |
| 04:20.48 | abrotman | !kp mantra |
| 04:20.49 | dpkg | from memory, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 04:22.31 | fas3r | well thank ^^ |
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| 04:24.55 | Pinchiukas | Can anyone explain to me the output of rdepends? |
| 04:25.50 | abrotman | what's confusing about it ? |
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| 04:26.17 | Pinchiukas | It has "|"s near some of the packages. |
| 04:26.26 | abrotman | paste.debian.net |
| 04:26.59 | Pinchiukas | I can't copy. :) |
| 04:27.16 | Pinchiukas | Check 'apt-cache rdepends debconf-i18n'. |
| 04:27.18 | abrotman | which package? which version of Debian? .. usually it means "or" |
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| 04:28.11 | abrotman | in that case, it means it depends on one of those three packages |
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| 04:28.44 | Pinchiukas | How do you figure that? |
| 04:29.13 | Pinchiukas | Shouldn't this be explained somewhere? |
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| 04:29.26 | abrotman | it probably is in the apt-cache man page |
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| 04:31.25 | Pinchiukas | I'm not finding it. |
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| 04:32.16 | abrotman | the | is normally known to be 'or' |
| 04:32.30 | Pinchiukas | Isn't "||" used as an "or"? |
| 04:32.46 | stew | it is |
| 04:33.20 | stew | Pinchiukas: what are you trying to figure out, there is probably some other way that is easier than trying to understand the output of rdepends |
| 04:33.21 | abrotman | sends stew to wrap gifts for Sheba |
| 04:33.45 | stew | she wants me to unwrap some cheese for her |
| 04:33.50 | Pinchiukas | I'm trying to learn debian. |
| 04:33.51 | abrotman | i bet :) |
| 04:34.22 | abrotman | stew: i went to the cheese store here in WI yesterday .. more than $50 worth of cheese |
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| 04:35.17 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: but what information are you trying to get from looking at the rdepends ? |
| 04:36.09 | Pinchiukas | abrotman: what depends on debconf-i18n. |
| 04:36.13 | stew | Pinchiukas: i believe that the ones with | are the ones that althought they declare some relationship to the subject package, the subject package only one of multiple alternatives |
| 04:36.24 | Pinchiukas | As I see no reason for debconf-i18n to be on my system. |
| 04:36.33 | stew | Pinchiukas: try "aptitude why debconf-i18n" |
| 04:36.34 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: and if you try to remove it? |
| 04:36.44 | Pinchiukas | abrotman: I haven't. |
| 04:37.22 | Pinchiukas | 'aptitude why debconf-i18n' isn't very explanatory either. :) |
| 04:37.30 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: so the way it reads, if you don't want debconf-i18n . yu'd have to install debconf-englih |
| 04:37.30 | stew | Pinchiukas: what does it return? |
| 04:37.37 | abrotman | fails at english ... |
| 04:38.19 | Pinchiukas | I can't understand why that isn't the default. :| |
| 04:38.28 | Pinchiukas | stew: probably the same thing it would on your machine. :) |
| 04:38.40 | stew | Pinchiukas: what don't you understand about it? |
| 04:38.45 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: you mean why debconf-english isn't the default instead of debconf-i18n ? |
| 04:38.56 | Pinchiukas | abrotman: exactly. |
| 04:39.24 | stew | Pinchiukas: becuase debconf-i18n will work for more people than debconf-english, so its the first alternative |
| 04:39.37 | stew | Pinchiukas: if you want to replace debconf-i18n with debconf-english, you can |
| 04:39.50 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: if you look at the depends .. the i18n is listed first .. so it gets installed first, replace it if you don't want it |
| 04:39.54 | Pinchiukas | "For mor people"? |
| 04:40.00 | abrotman | repeats stew |
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| 04:40.22 | Pinchiukas | I know, but seems kind of unneccessary. |
| 04:40.30 | stew | Pinchiukas: its necessary |
| 04:40.31 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: perhaps, but lots of people don't speak english |
| 04:40.43 | stew | Pinchiukas: wait, you mean its not necessary to cater to non-english speakers? |
| 04:40.47 | Pinchiukas | I can't imagine them managing debian packages. |
| 04:40.57 | Pinchiukas | stew: I believe so. |
| 04:41.02 | abrotman | you can't imagine non-english speakers using debian ? |
| 04:41.18 | Pinchiukas | English is not my first language, but no, I can't. |
| 04:41.35 | abrotman | i speak American! |
| 04:41.41 | stew | Pinchiukas: well, there are a lot of non-english speakers using debian |
| 04:41.58 | stew | Pinchiukas: anyway, do you need help replacing it with an english only version? |
| 04:42.03 | Pinchiukas | To me it's like trying to translate a programming language. |
| 04:42.18 | Pinchiukas | stew: I'm just exploring what's on the base system. |
| 04:42.43 | Pinchiukas | And a lot of stuff just seems unneccessary. |
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| 04:45.07 | Pinchiukas | And I really can't imagine a person who doesn't understand a word of English using linux. |
| 04:45.09 | stew | Pinchiukas: look, for instance, at: http://www.debian.org/users/#gov and tell me how many of those organizations are made up of 100% english speakers |
| 04:45.43 | Pinchiukas | How is every person in those organizations relevant? |
| 04:45.43 | iceroot | Pinchiukas: i know much people cant understand english but using linux |
| 04:46.13 | abrotman | like that ... |
| 04:46.15 | stew | Pinchiukas: for instance "City of Munich, Germany" you think that 100% of the pepole that work for the city of Munich know english? |
| 04:46.15 | Pinchiukas | That's pretty strange. |
| 04:46.37 | iceroot | stew: the dont know german there.... |
| 04:46.40 | Pinchiukas | stew: are you saying 100% of people that work for the city of Munich log in to the debian systems? |
| 04:46.56 | stew | Pinchiukas: no |
| 04:46.57 | abrotman | but if they don't all speak english ? |
| 04:47.07 | stew | Pinchiukas: i'm saying that some people that do, don't speak english |
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| 04:47.47 | Pinchiukas | Well they must be severely limited, then. |
| 04:47.55 | Tux^verdreifelt | people who work for the city of munich can hardly speak german either :p |
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| 04:48.12 | iceroot | Tux^verdreifelt: correct :) |
| 04:48.36 | iceroot | just because munich does not belong to germany :) |
| 04:48.44 | Tux^verdreifelt | (i prefer using a system which knows german BTW. this ALSO applies to my operating system. and yep, my vim also speaks german ;)) |
| 04:48.46 | stew | Pinchiukas: is there some reason we shouldn't offer these messages in other languages if we have the facility to do so and lots of volunteeers that are willing to spend lots of time translating the messages? |
| 04:49.34 | Pinchiukas | Well with my experience with localized software, I always choose the English version over the one in my native language. ALWAYS. |
| 04:49.57 | Tux^verdreifelt | Pinchiukas: i stumbled upon badly localized software, too |
| 04:50.04 | Tux^verdreifelt | but i localize some applications myself ;) |
| 04:50.13 | Pinchiukas | You must be shot. :) |
| 04:50.23 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: /msg alis list #debian* ... lots of channels that are debian related in other languages |
| 04:50.27 | stew | Pinchiukas: if you find problems in the localization, please file bugs |
| 04:50.40 | Tux^verdreifelt | i know one developer who uses google translator in order to provide a multi-language interface |
| 04:50.44 | Tux^verdreifelt | HE should be shot |
| 04:50.54 | Pinchiukas | stew: the localization is the problem. It will never be as good as the native version of anything. |
| 04:50.57 | Tux^verdreifelt | but IMO there's nothing wrong if native speakers translate :) |
| 04:51.04 | stew | Pinchiukas: why not? |
| 04:51.29 | Pinchiukas | stew: have you seen a localization that'd be at least as good as the original? |
| 04:51.32 | Pinchiukas | I haven't. |
| 04:51.40 | stew | Pinchiukas: what is your native language? |
| 04:51.40 | Pinchiukas | Maybe because I live in a small country. |
| 04:51.45 | Pinchiukas | Lithuanian. |
| 04:51.46 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: which other languages do you speak fluently ? |
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| 04:52.06 | Pinchiukas | abrotman: just Lithuanian and English I guess. :) |
| 04:52.18 | abrotman | Pinchiukas: on a side note .. i'm related to people from there .. someone that is famous that i can't recall right now :) |
| 04:52.32 | abrotman | bets his dad would be upset |
| 04:52.37 | Pinchiukas | I also know some Russian, but I couldn't judge the localization of software to the Russian language. |
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| 04:54.14 | Pinchiukas | And sorry, but debian documentation seems to suck. :/ |
| 04:54.39 | stew | Pinchiukas: please file bugs and send patches |
| 04:54.45 | stew | Pinchiukas: or just find a distro that suits you better |
| 04:54.58 | Pinchiukas | That's the most invalid answer to my statement in existence. :) |
| 04:55.13 | stew | why? |
| 04:55.28 | stew | its a volunteer project. you don't like what the volunteers are doing, volunteer to help, or move along |
| 04:55.53 | Pinchiukas | I'm just stating they are doing a poor job. |
| 04:56.03 | stew | Pinchiukas: how can I be doing my job better? |
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| 04:56.09 | stew | Pinchiukas: please tell us by filing bugs |
| 04:56.23 | stew | if you are just going to make vague unconstructive complaints, just don't bother |
| 04:56.35 | Pinchiukas | Document the output of 'rdepends', for example. :) |
| 04:56.41 | stew | Pinchiukas: file a bug |
| 04:56.48 | stew | Pinchiukas: you can use the reportbug tool for this |
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| 04:58.40 | Pinchiukas | I doubt anyone will do anything except close the bug. |
| 04:59.07 | stew | Pinchiukas: why would they do that? |
| 04:59.13 | stew | Pinchiukas: have you had this happen before? |
| 04:59.44 | Pinchiukas | Well the last time I submitted a bug to Gentoo they told me to replace stable software with a piece of testing software and closed the bug. :) |
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| 05:00.07 | stew | Pinchiukas: i've not found the same with debian, at all |
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| 05:00.54 | force | hi, is there any way to limit users from listing other user processes that are active/sleeping etc, except for the root account? |
| 05:02.24 | stew | force: you have to compile a kernel with the grsecurity patch |
| 05:03.01 | force | hmm.. okay |
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| 06:10.12 | imganquan | I upgrade lenny to squeeze, but I can't use nautilus-open-terminal , is it a bug? |
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| 06:35.58 | mokkan | hey, i'm using the debian graphical installer for debian 5, and it's stuck on configuring apt |
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| 06:41.28 | osast | it's ok |
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| 06:59.32 | reto` | hey... I want to backup an ntfs partition to a file... I need all permissions/attributes preserved so I think I cannot use tar... any ideas? |
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| 07:00.15 | osast | there a ntfsdump? |
| 07:00.20 | osast | could dd it |
| 07:00.23 | debio264 | reto`: I know tar preserves file attributes on Linux partitions, but I don't know how it would deal with ntfs... |
| 07:00.34 | debio264 | yea, I would probably go with dd unless you need a file level backup |
| 07:00.54 | debio264 | in fact, I wonder if tar supports acls |
| 07:01.06 | reto` | I would like to be able to extract single files so dd will not work |
| 07:01.09 | osast | star does |
| 07:01.25 | osast | hmm, actually, latest version of tar might do acls |
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| 07:01.35 | osast | reto`, you could mount the file |
| 07:01.41 | debio264 | isn't NTFS the same on the file level as ext2/3/4 with ACLs turned on? |
| 07:02.04 | debio264 | although the whole glitchy write thing tends to mess things up |
| 07:02.05 | osast | as in they're both file systems? :) |
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| 07:02.26 | debio264 | I'm saying that from the userspace perspective, they're the same |
| 07:02.42 | osast | NTFS has encryption and compression too |
| 07:02.49 | debio264 | filesystem-wise, yea, they're completely different, although I have no idea how |
| 07:02.51 | osast | dunno how you deal with that in gnu/linux |
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| 07:04.09 | reto` | osast: yeah... I could dd it and then mount... maybe that's the only way |
| 07:04.35 | osast | or not deal with NTFS :\ |
| 07:05.08 | reto` | well... it's the laptop my wife is using and I want to backup everything then install linux :) |
| 07:06.02 | reto` | sadly I don't have an external usb hdd so I'm using nfs |
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| 07:32.33 | bbelt16ag2 | hey peeps is there anyway i can get sudo to ask for a diff password like roots? |
| 07:32.55 | PinkFreud | is it just me, or do the debian xen dom0 kernels have serious stability issues when it comes to high cpu usage and disk i/o simultaniously? |
| 07:34.42 | PinkFreud | whenever I have both occuring simultaniously on a dom0, dmesg becomes filled with complaints about hung processes, and after awhile, even nfsd quits responding as well. |
| 07:37.46 | PinkFreud | another issue I've seen which may be related is with using md for a disk array on a dom0. if I try to do something cpu and disk i/o intensive on that array, like rsync, while md is running a scheduled consistency check on the same array, md deadlocks, processes hang, and I find myself forced to use magic sysrq to reboot the box. |
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| 07:38.49 | PinkFreud | is there any hope for the debian xen kernels? or should I just declare them dead and attempt to roll my own? |
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| 07:39.12 | ninja | Pinkfreud i dont think rsync is CPU intensive |
| 07:39.29 | PinkFreud | ninja: the disk i/o assiociated with it can be. |
| 07:39.43 | ninja | yuo disk IO can be |
| 07:39.47 | ninja | but not CPU |
| 07:40.14 | ninja | ok leave it thats not your problem |
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| 07:40.23 | PinkFreud | heh. |
| 07:40.33 | ninja | DOM0 is always complicated |
| 07:41.03 | PinkFreud | yeah, I know. there hasn't been an officially supported dom0 since 2.6.18. |
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| 07:41.19 | ninja | right |
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| 07:41.31 | PinkFreud | and it looks like the new pv_ops dom0 support is slated for xen 4 |
| 07:42.10 | ninja | why u go for dom0 |
| 07:43.06 | PinkFreud | er... because I'm running older hardware that lacks VT/AMD-V |
| 07:43.19 | ninja | ok |
| 07:43.33 | ninja | but thats gonna be performance bottleneck man |
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| 07:43.57 | PinkFreud | depends on the older hardware. |
| 07:43.58 | ninja | go for older versions of esxi |
| 07:44.10 | ninja | go for older esxi |
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| 07:45.03 | PinkFreud | unlikely. |
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| 07:45.32 | PinkFreud | I'm running 64 bit. vmware does not support 64 bit without VT/AMD-V |
| 07:45.40 | ninja | yup |
| 07:45.48 | ninja | again thats problem |
| 07:45.53 | ninja | :( |
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| 07:45.59 | PinkFreud | nor do I have any plans to swtich away from the performance I see with Xen PVs over vmware. |
| 07:46.32 | ninja | okay |
| 07:46.43 | ninja | any specific reson for runnig 64 bit? |
| 07:47.20 | PinkFreud | This box runs Xen, and it will continue to run Xen. I just need to figure out if the Debian xen kernels will actually be fixed, or if I need to find another source for xen kernels. |
| 07:47.59 | PinkFreud | other than the 64 bit hardware and 8 GB of memory currently installed? None whatsoever. |
| 07:48.03 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 07:48.10 | ninja | :) |
| 07:48.14 | PinkFreud | Again, don't waste your time. |
| 07:48.42 | PinkFreud | Changing hypervisor / distribution / etc is not an option |
| 07:49.06 | PinkFreud | the box runs 64 bit debian, and will not be running anything else. |
| 07:49.12 | ninja | hey u run anyone micsofts os on dom0 |
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| 07:49.37 | PinkFreud | not without VT/AMD-V |
| 07:49.49 | PinkFreud | nor do I care to |
| 07:49.55 | shivraj | whats my best bet in terms of drivr to get radeon rv770 chip running nv ? dont want to manually configure xorg-radeonhd driver |
| 07:50.00 | shivraj | nv ? |
| 07:50.24 | PinkFreud | shivraj: nv is for nvidia |
| 07:50.28 | shivraj | oops |
| 07:50.43 | PinkFreud | shivraj: it depends how you define 'working' |
| 07:50.52 | shivraj | working well |
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| 07:51.05 | PinkFreud | if you want full 3d and don't care about driver bugs, go for fglrx |
| 07:51.21 | PinkFreud | otherwise, use either radeonhd or radeon. both should support that card. |
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| 07:52.50 | shivraj | moving my install to a SEAGATE drive, my WD makes too much noise :) |
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| 07:54.13 | shivraj | 80 gig is way too much but I install a lot of stuff, will make WD my /home dir :) |
| 07:54.26 | PinkFreud | yay? |
| 07:55.52 | shivraj | more like hooray this seagate is absolutely silent |
| 07:58.29 | tempoe | Why I cant add scripts on irssi? http://paste.debian.net/54866/ I have installed perl5.10 |
| 07:58.44 | PinkFreud | shivraj: Not sure why I should care. :) |
| 07:58.55 | Cellkill | PinkFreud, concerning debian issues on dom0/u i have similarly weird issues. domu fedora, ubuntu, both work fine but the debian domu gets occasional segfaults on high cpu for no reason that i can see |
| 07:59.06 | shivraj | trying to keep you entertained |
| 07:59.12 | shivraj | thats all |
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| 07:59.56 | PinkFreud | shivraj: I have enough here to keep me entertained, thank you :) |
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| 08:00.42 | PinkFreud | Cellkill: looks like there are some newer kernels available - http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/pkg-xen-devel/2009-July/002356.html |
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| 08:01.06 | PinkFreud | I think that may become one of my projects for the next week |
| 08:01.19 | Cellkill | hmm, will have to play with that |
| 08:01.34 | PinkFreud | ditto :) |
| 08:02.14 | Cellkill | actually, i had played with these before |
| 08:02.18 | Cellkill | they are a little old |
| 08:02.27 | PinkFreud | yeah, july |
| 08:02.37 | PinkFreud | not quite as old as lenny's 2.6.26, though |
| 08:03.58 | Cellkill | i dont quite understand why xen isn't moving forward to 2.6.28 at least, or maybe .30 with all the feature changes and additions for virtualization |
| 08:04.08 | PinkFreud | oh, that's easy. |
| 08:04.27 | PinkFreud | xen *is* working on supporting pv_ops. |
| 08:04.40 | PinkFreud | domU apparently works as of 2.6.30. |
| 08:04.54 | Cellkill | yea, but last time i tried to build a pvops vanilla kernel that was a total failure |
| 08:04.55 | PinkFreud | dom0 support for pv_ops is slated for the xen 4.0 release |
| 08:05.20 | Cellkill | yea, domu support was a piece of cake |
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| 08:05.45 | PinkFreud | right now, I'm interested in a working xen dom0 without the stability issues |
| 08:05.55 | Cellkill | same |
| 08:06.12 | vader-- | pink have you tried antoher distro? |
| 08:06.24 | Cellkill | i also want better support for pvops/qemu virtualization |
| 08:06.37 | PinkFreud | sighs. |
| 08:07.03 | PinkFreud | vader--: see above. another distro is not an option. going to 32 bit is not an option. another hypervisor is not an option. |
| 08:07.13 | Cellkill | vader--, it's not just the distro, it's unstable spec for pvops, unstable support for kernel/xen-utils combos |
| 08:08.09 | Cellkill | yea, vz = crapola |
| 08:08.13 | PinkFreud | the problem may or may not be in debian's xen implementation. worst case, I'll obtain the 2.6.30 dom0 patches and compile my own kernel to see what happens |
| 08:08.24 | Cellkill | and i haven't enjoyed much luck with decent kvm setups |
| 08:08.34 | vader-- | ya im not familiar enough with Xen |
| 08:08.37 | shivraj | whats xen ? |
| 08:08.38 | vader-- | im a Vmware VCP |
| 08:08.43 | vader-- | i run all ESX |
| 08:08.44 | Cellkill | lol |
| 08:09.01 | Cellkill | fully virtualized != para-virtualization |
| 08:09.16 | PinkFreud | vader--: I run ESX at work. I run Xen at home, on older hw which ESX will not support. |
| 08:09.20 | Cellkill | much more overhead, not an option for efficient use of hardware |
| 08:09.24 | PinkFreud | Nor do I care to run ESX on it. |
| 08:09.39 | vader-- | gotcha |
| 08:09.48 | vader-- | ya i should play with XEN alittle |
| 08:09.51 | vader-- | just not enough time |
| 08:10.13 | PinkFreud | Xen runs very well when it's stable. The problem is, making sure it's stable. :) |
| 08:10.25 | vader-- | ya |
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| 08:11.13 | Cellkill | once you get nice, tight, little domu images and a stable setup you'll love how easy it is to deploy a test/build environment. also it's nice to have secure (non-chroot mess) domu's for web/mysql/php/replication |
| 08:11.32 | bbelt16ag2 | hey peeps would it be a bad idea to link my /etc/ configs to somewhere else? like /random#/etc |
| 08:11.42 | PinkFreud | the md/rsync issue I can work around by disabling automatic consistency checks, and starting one manually after a backup has completed. |
| 08:12.19 | Cellkill | bbelt16ag2, only if you link to a different partition/drive because then it may cause problems at boot if the mounting isn't done right |
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| 08:14.04 | Cellkill | wouldn't reccomend relocating fstab/mtab/etc... but if your just ln -s'ing some program configs the it should be fine.... it might just be a better idea to chroot or rebuild the apps to look to a different locatio though, especially if security is the reason your doing it |
| 08:14.26 | bbelt16ag2 | ok |
| 08:14.44 | bbelt16ag2 | hmmm |
| 08:15.44 | bbelt16ag2 | ok |
| 08:16.36 | Cellkill | i.e. lighttpd was configured with --prefix=/home/lighttpd so it looks to /home/lighttpd/etc/lighttpd.conf and runs as lighttpd/nogroup (adduser --system lighttp) etc... |
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| 08:18.11 | bbelt16ag2 | so the configuration is in the source code when they are compiled. |
| 08:18.38 | bbelt16ag2 | can make have a switch to set the directory for configs. |
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| 08:19.26 | Cellkill | well, the configuration for their paths/prefix. yes. but most apps can be run with certain flags like ./lighttpd -f /etc/lighttpd.conf. |
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| 08:21.48 | Cellkill | rather than dancing around the issue bbelt16ag2, what are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 08:22.07 | shivraj | how do I change my depth to 24 bit ? |
| 08:22.08 | bbelt16ag2 | ... |
| 08:22.11 | bbelt16ag2 | i have no idea |
| 08:22.55 | Cellkill | bbelt16ag2, lol? |
| 08:23.07 | bbelt16ag2 | :( |
| 08:23.33 | bbelt16ag2 | happy holidays |
| 08:24.13 | Cellkill | merry christmas (festivus/kwanza/etc...) |
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| 08:28.25 | spersaud | hello can someone please tell me |
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| 08:31.37 | Cellkill | spersaud, tell you what/ |
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| 08:33.23 | Pinchiukas | Anybody still uses 'ed'? |
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| 08:35.32 | Guerin | !anyone still uses 'ed'? |
| 08:35.45 | Guerin | fails |
| 08:35.51 | Guerin | !anyone use 'ed'? |
| 08:35.51 | dpkg | No, no one uses 'ed', not even the people who use it. |
| 08:35.55 | Guerin | there we go |
| 08:36.01 | Guerin | gettin' rusty like |
| 08:36.52 | Pinchiukas | I don't get it. |
| 08:37.53 | Guerin | Pinchiukas: ask the real question you want answered. |
| 08:38.09 | Pinchiukas | Can't you answer my unreal question? |
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| 08:38.20 | Guerin | Pinchiukas: i just did, with an unreal answer. |
| 08:38.27 | Pinchiukas | So useful... |
| 08:39.03 | cahoot | Pinchiukas: would 'possibly' be better? |
| 08:39.07 | Guerin | if you want to find out how many people use ed, ask dpkg about popcon |
| 08:40.27 | Pinchiukas | cahoot: huh? |
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| 08:40.41 | Pinchiukas | I was just wondering why it's in the distro. |
| 08:40.50 | shivraj | how do I modify my xorg.conf to specify the depth ? |
| 08:41.02 | Guerin | Pinchiukas: why should it not be? |
| 08:41.05 | shivraj | I put DefaultDepth "24" under Screen section is that correct ? |
| 08:41.19 | Guerin | shivraj: you could /msg dpkg drxx |
| 08:45.06 | Pinchiukas | Guerin: if you can't find a reason for my app 'X' to be in the distro, it means it should be in there? |
| 08:45.16 | Pinchiukas | *to not be in the distro |
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| 08:47.18 | shivraj_ | works now Its defaultdepth 24 not "24" :( |
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| 08:50.23 | shivraj | Benwa: as in benwa balls ? |
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| 08:58.45 | Pinchiukas | 'vim-common' suggests 'eject'. Hahah! |
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| 09:08.16 | nsadmin | Pinchiukas: on the chance you're not understanding what's being asked of you while you're here... you can help others give you higher quality help if you look at the interaction as two equally-informed people having a conversation about an issue that came up... as an equal, you know that since you've seen the issue and the other person in the convo has not, you'd have to tell him something specific. |
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| 09:12.44 | nsadmin | the more pointed, specific and informative you are, the more energy the conversation will have, and you can gain information and value from yourself and from the other person in the conversation. Holding back won't get you far as it is, and since there are also some limits set (the rules ought to be written somewhere, if they're not, then just provide whatever info you know about your situation when trying to find out any information. perhaps any issues y |
| 09:13.19 | nsadmin | higher quality solutions which are also more efficiently presented if people know what you want. |
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| 09:14.33 | navin | i'm on linux. I've a Windows XP CD but it is not bootable. So i'm planning to write a bootable CD with contents from my other CD. i'm using xcdroast. Where can i get the boot catalog or boot image for Windows Xp bootable disk ? |
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| 09:15.23 | cahoot | from MS? |
| 09:16.19 | navin | cahoot, no i have the CD but i don't have the bootable bit |
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| 09:18.32 | boodie | Hi - Merry Xmas. A simple question: what program is best for converting CDs in MP3s? |
| 09:18.41 | cahoot | abcde |
| 09:19.49 | Hideo | concurs about abcde |
| 09:19.53 | nsadmin | cdparanoia and lame |
| 09:20.47 | cahoot | I suppose the lame part presumes debian.multimedia |
| 09:21.25 | nsadmin | probably |
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| 09:21.53 | cahoot | abcde *is* cdparanoia + lame AFAIK |
| 09:22.20 | nsadmin | with abcde itself being a layer over the top to control it? |
| 09:22.35 | cahoot | a simple script on top |
| 09:22.58 | cahoot | s/simple// |
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| 09:33.37 | corpse`grinder | Häì£ [K]oRn^ |
| 09:33.45 | corpse`grinder | ¬ _·( hii )·_ ¬ |
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| 09:35.47 | osast | grip is pretty good |
| 09:35.59 | corpse`grinder | ¬ _·( hii )·_ ¬ |
| 09:36.01 | osast | but i'd use flac or vorbis ober mp3 |
| 09:36.18 | osast | corpse`grinder, guess what STFU stands for |
| 09:36.32 | corpse`grinder | ¬ _·( _( osast )_ i dnt knw )·_ ¬ |
| 09:36.51 | osast | !stfu |
| 09:36.51 | dpkg | i guess stfu is Shut The Fuck Up |
| 09:36.51 | corpse`grinder | ¬ _·( :( )·_ ¬ |
| 09:36.57 | corpse`grinder | ¬ _·( oh )·_ ¬ |
| 09:36.58 | corpse`grinder | ¬ _·( ok )·_ ¬ |
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| 09:37.14 | corpse`grinder | !stat |
| 09:37.15 | dpkg | OS: $os |
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| 09:37.54 | dimir | what the fuck is this |
| 09:38.13 | corpse`grinder | ¬ _·( i got color scripts )·_ ¬ |
| 09:38.14 | corpse`grinder | ¬ _·( :D )·_ ¬ |
| 09:39.06 | Arrowmaster | turn it off |
| 09:39.09 | corpse`grinder | ¬ _·( ok )·_ ¬ |
| 09:39.14 | corpse`grinder | done |
| 09:39.15 | corpse`grinder | :) |
| 09:39.19 | dimir | \o/ |
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| 09:45.59 | DustyDingo | hm, i want to copy an entire debian system over to another disk |
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| 09:46.29 | DustyDingo | i copied the entire /boot parition to a new partition, and run grub-install on it |
| 09:46.44 | DustyDingo | but it won't even show the menu, when booting |
| 09:46.51 | DustyDingo | what could have i done wrong? |
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| 10:06.37 | DelphiWorld | hi all |
| 10:06.48 | DelphiWorld | what package to use to install Unix ODBC deiver for mySQL? |
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| 10:13.26 | DelphiWorld | apache2 in debian5: /etc/init.d/apache2: line 44: /etc/apache2/envvars: No such file or directory |
| 10:14.08 | project2501a | apt-get install seasons-greetings |
| 10:15.14 | DelphiWorld | project2501a: mean? |
| 10:16.33 | mjt | DelphiWorld: it means "Merry Christmas" :) |
| 10:16.37 | DelphiWorld | how do i restore default init.d apache file? |
| 10:16.57 | DelphiWorld | lol, no Christmas in algeria... lol lol lol |
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| 10:18.28 | mjt | DelphiWorld: it's in apache2.2-common package |
| 10:18.43 | mjt | but why yours gone? |
| 10:18.59 | DelphiWorld | mjt: see this error: |
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| 10:19.21 | DelphiWorld | mjt: /etc/init.d/apache2: line 44: /etc/apache2/envvars: No such file or directory |
| 10:19.32 | mjt | i've seen this 10 lines above |
| 10:19.37 | subanomic | how big should my /var partition be in debian? I am planning to run a home server on that machine. |
| 10:19.51 | DelphiWorld | mjt: may you PM it to me? |
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| 10:20.05 | mjt | DelphiWorld: extract it from your .deb |
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| 10:20.23 | DelphiWorld | mjt: i don't have enoug knoledges;) lol |
| 10:20.33 | DelphiWorld | mjt: command? |
| 10:20.46 | mjt | apt-get install --reinstall -d apache2.2-common --- that will download apache2.2-common to /var/cache/apt/archives but not install it |
| 10:21.18 | mjt | dpkg -x /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2.2-common... /tmp/foo -- that will extract everything from that file to /tmp/foo |
| 10:21.18 | dpkg | You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, mjt |
| 10:21.24 | mjt | thanks |
| 10:21.39 | mjt | !shut up |
| 10:21.40 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 10:22.11 | mjt | subanomic: a few gigs is enough |
| 10:22.33 | project2501a | DelphiWorld: salaam alekum |
| 10:22.47 | DelphiWorld | project2501a: salaam! |
| 10:23.26 | subanomic | mjt: You think 2 gigs should do it? |
| 10:23.26 | mjt | subanomic: 2 gigs will required keeping it in clean state :) |
| 10:23.28 | mjt | require |
| 10:23.36 | DelphiWorld | mjt: still this error! /etc/init.d/apache2: line 44: /etc/apache2/envvars: No such file or directory |
| 10:23.49 | mjt | DelphiWorld: did you copy that file to the right place? |
| 10:24.05 | DelphiWorld | mjt: but where? where i can get it? |
| 10:24.09 | mjt | DelphiWorld: from /tmp/foo/etc/... ? |
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| 10:24.45 | mjt | DelphiWorld: i told you how to extract files in a .deb package to a temp dir. Use your imagination to complete the steps :) |
| 10:25.02 | babilen | :-D - might I also suggest: |
| 10:25.03 | babilen | !confmiss |
| 10:25.04 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 10:25.10 | DelphiWorld | mjt: i used the provided command, is saying in download only mode. but can't see the file |
| 10:25.34 | simonrvn | check . |
| 10:25.41 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Just read what mjt has told you again |
| 10:26.08 | mjt | babilen: it's one of the --force-things i always forgetting, and also I delete conffiles on purpose quite often but it restores _all_ conffiles :) |
| 10:26.55 | mjt | DelphiWorld: I don't provide exact commands to you, always leaving something small for your own work -- it's much better for understanding this way. IMHO anyway. |
| 10:26.57 | babilen | mjt: That is why the restoration of conffiles has to be forced. But it is handy if you just want to restore some missing conffiles |
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| 10:28.16 | Archdevil | If I want to install squeeze with only kde, how do I do that? Install lenny with kde and then switch to squeeze? Or are there faster methods? |
| 10:28.19 | DelphiWorld | please mjt, tel me only the package name to r'install? |
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| 10:29.00 | babilen | Archdevil: Install lenny, upgrade to squeeze, install kde comes to mind |
| 10:29.18 | mjt | DelphiWorld: that was the first thing I told you :) |
| 10:29.31 | DelphiWorld | mjt: got it allready... r'installing |
| 10:29.36 | mjt | DelphiWorld: dpkg -S /etc/apache2/envvars |
| 10:29.41 | Archdevil | babilen: that's what I figured. If I use the squeeze iso, I end up with gnome |
| 10:29.53 | mjt | DelphiWorld: that will show to which package the given file belongs |
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| 10:30.15 | babilen | Archdevil: You only end up with gnome if you install the gnome task. Just use the netinstall cd and do not install any tasks. |
| 10:30.29 | Archdevil | ok |
| 10:30.48 | mjt | heh. I think I did a debian install only once - when debian-2.0 "potato" come out.... ;) |
| 10:30.54 | babilen | Archdevil: You can then install whatever you want from within the running system |
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| 10:31.35 | Archdevil | I know, but I do not want to destroy the installation by removing gnome. I once managed to do that with mandriva |
| 10:31.39 | DelphiWorld | mjt: babilen thanks! |
| 10:31.42 | DelphiWorld | mjt: got it! |
| 10:31.44 | DelphiWorld | mjt: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2.2-common |
| 10:31.56 | mjt | heh ok |
| 10:32.16 | DelphiWorld | mjt: ;) |
| 10:32.24 | mjt | dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2.2-common*.deb |
| 10:32.24 | dpkg | installs /var/cache/apt/archives/apache2.2-common*.deb into mjt's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
| 10:32.32 | mjt | !shut up |
| 10:32.32 | DelphiWorld | but now i have another error;) :P |
| 10:32.32 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 10:32.33 | DelphiWorld | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included |
| 10:32.33 | DelphiWorld | in the server configuration |
| 10:32.33 | DelphiWorld | failed! |
| 10:32.37 | babilen | alright - but mjt's method was the surgical one as opposed to the butcher method with '--force-confmiss' ... but it solved the problem |
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| 10:33.23 | DelphiWorld | don't have a nessessary big config;) |
| 10:34.51 | babilen | DelphiWorld: Your apache configuration seems to contain errors. Why not start again from a clean state, or do you have already put much work into your (not working) configuration? |
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| 10:35.15 | DelphiWorld | babilen: no, no any work... how do i clan it up? |
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| 10:36.17 | babilen | DelphiWorld: delete the file in conflict and apply your mad restore-conffiles-the-surgical-way skills |
| 10:36.53 | babilen | DelphiWorld: or just copy it over with your not-so-mad copy skills ;-) |
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| 10:37.16 | DelphiWorld | babilen: lol, i posted my command here; can you re post it to me? |
| 10:37.22 | DelphiWorld | i cleaned up the log! |
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| 10:38.05 | babilen | *sigh* ... you should have it in your bash history |
| 10:38.37 | mjt | heh |
| 10:38.41 | DelphiWorld | babilen: post it please;) |
| 10:38.43 | babilen | But if you followed mjt's advice you already have a complete copy of the default /etc/apache directory somewhere in /tmp/foo/ |
| 10:38.53 | babilen | !confmiss |
| 10:38.53 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 10:39.37 | mjt | dpkg is patient enough ;) |
| 10:39.38 | dpkg | mjt: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 10:39.48 | mjt | sure you don't! :) |
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| 10:43.12 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: thanks |
| 10:43.12 | dpkg | DelphiWorld: no worries |
| 10:44.27 | mjt | !bot |
| 10:44.28 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 10:45.55 | DelphiWorld | mjt: lol, same error, unvalid command: order... lol lol lol |
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| 10:47.42 | babilen | !lol |
| 10:47.43 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 10:48.57 | DelphiWorld | what is the apache command to install a module? |
| 10:49.37 | babilen | DelphiWorld: You are doing it wrong. I really doubt that th default conffiles ship with this error. Could you purge and reinstall the package(s) ? if you are unsure which package provides a certain file you can use 'apt-file search <file>' or 'dpkg -S <file>' to search for it |
| 10:50.00 | mjt | dpkg -l | grep apache |
| 10:50.00 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep apache |
| 10:50.06 | mjt | and purge everything listed |
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| 10:50.11 | mjt | and reinstall |
| 10:50.28 | mjt | (purge = dpkg -P or apt-get remove --purge or equivalent) |
| 10:50.42 | mjt | dpkg -l *apache* |
| 10:50.42 | babilen | The command is a2enmod ... is this a production system? |
| 10:50.42 | dpkg | ii *apache* 2.7-15.2 mjt's private stamp collection |
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| 10:51.02 | mjt | stupid bot |
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| 10:51.10 | tomato | hi |
| 10:51.14 | babilen | or: aptitude purge '~n^apachae' |
| 10:51.41 | tomato | I have no sound with flashplugin-nonfree with iceweasel |
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| 10:52.23 | babilen | tomato: do you have sound at all? |
| 10:52.31 | DelphiWorld | babilen: no, only my VPS |
| 10:52.48 | tomato | babilen yes |
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| 10:53.46 | babilen | tomato: testing/unstable/experimental/not-yet-packaged ? |
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| 10:54.02 | babilen | tomato: in other words: which debian release are you running? |
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| 10:54.44 | tomato | babilen squeeze/sid |
| 10:54.54 | babilen | tomato: But I have no idea - you should check the bug reports, your mixer settings, the flash player settings ... There is always swfdec and the free alternatives |
| 10:55.30 | tomato | swfdec work perfect ? |
| 10:55.31 | babilen | tomato: You are running sid? Is this a new issue that happened recently after an upgrade? |
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| 10:55.44 | Lars | Hello I have: "1:2345:respawn:/bin/sh" in inittab, shouldn't that spawn a tty at the console when domU is started? |
| 10:55.44 | tomato | no upgrade .. |
| 10:55.45 | DelphiWorld | dpkg: purge |
| 10:55.45 | dpkg | In Debian package management, "purge" means to completely wipe away a package, including its configuration files. Use 'aptitude purge [package]' or 'dpkg -P [package]' (note: you can't apt-get purge a package that is already removed; use aptitude or dpkg instead). To purge all "removed" packages: aptitude purge '~c'. To restore configuration files, ask me about <confmiss>. Also ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 10:55.52 | babilen | nothing works perfect - but you might have sound with swfdec |
| 10:56.12 | tomato | ok |
| 10:56.15 | tomato | I try |
| 10:56.48 | mjt | Lars: where that shell should read from and write to? |
| 10:56.59 | babilen | ok, good luck ... |
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| 10:57.25 | tomato | thw |
| 10:57.28 | tomato | thank you |
| 10:57.33 | mjt | Lars: you depend on std{in,out,err} inherited from init, but that's basically undefined. |
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| 10:58.22 | mjt | dpkg -P apt |
| 10:58.22 | dpkg | i don't know, mjt |
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| 11:01.08 | DelphiWorld | purged all apache2 packages, installing aguin |
| 11:01.35 | DelphiWorld | started! |
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| 11:10.03 | DelphiWorld | got a fully working web servzer with PHP5/Apache2MySQL/exim |
| 11:10.20 | DelphiWorld | thank to the Debian team! |
| 11:10.31 | DelphiWorld | thank to mjt/ babilen |
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| 11:16.03 | buckfast | i want to make a windows environment with qemu+kqemu |
| 11:16.14 | buckfast | all the guides are out of date |
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| 11:16.26 | buckfast | i have installed qemu and kqemu and i have windows installation cd |
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| 11:16.56 | buckfast | do i need to make an image out of the cd? |
| 11:18.02 | babilen | buckfast: which processor do you have? |
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| 11:19.06 | babilen | buckfast: I can't really help you with your windows installation (haven't done that in years) but kvm is a better choice if your processor supports VTX (hardware virtualisation) |
| 11:19.54 | buckfast | it doesnt support |
| 11:20.02 | buckfast | at least apt-get install kvm failed |
| 11:20.09 | buckfast | i have p3 800mhz |
| 11:22.01 | babilen | alright, just checking. Sorry that I can't help with the windows installation. What is the error you get when you try to install from the CD? Which command/tool are you using? Command line/virt-manager? |
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| 11:23.02 | buckfast | i dont get any errors |
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| 11:23.09 | buckfast | i'm just wondering how to do it properly |
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| 11:26.28 | babilen | are you using the qemu command on the command line or virt-manager? |
| 11:26.53 | buckfast | comman line |
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| 11:27.50 | buckfast | i'll try to follow some tutorial atm |
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| 11:28.03 | buckfast | i understand i have to create a blank file |
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| 11:29.20 | doxtor | Hello, I'm using Debian 5.0.3 lenny and exim4 version 4.69-9 and get message "gnutls-params on <hostname> is older than 14 days, please check your entropy generator" every day. How can I fix this? |
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| 11:30.44 | babilen | buckfast: which tutorial do you follow? and yes, you'll have to create a 'empty file' (virtual hdd) .. You might want to try virt-manager - it might be easier |
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| 11:31.08 | buckfast | babilen?: http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Running_Microsoft_Windows_inside_Debian_qemu |
| 11:31.46 | buckfast | babilen: i think i'll manage for now but tell me, is it safe for the rest of the pc to use the virtual environment without installing any antivirus or security patches there |
| 11:33.17 | buckfast | like if the virtual windows environment gets infected, is the rest of the pc safe (i have 1 linux and 1 windows partition) |
| 11:35.37 | babilen | buckfast: I would say yes (generally) but that might not hold true for viruses that specifically attack virtual hosts. I heard about security problems with VMWare. Can't recall the specific exploit though |
| 11:36.37 | buckfast | i see |
| 11:37.53 | babilen | I would not worry about tht much though. Ask in #qemu, they'll know better than #debian |
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| 11:40.17 | buckfast | :) |
| 11:40.23 | babilen | doxtor: #406814 ? You might also want to ask in #exim and write to the d-u ML |
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| 11:49.25 | mordy_ | hey i just upgraded to squeeze and i realize some things are broken in and around X |
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| 11:51.07 | mordy_ | i had to play around with my Xorg.conf and switch screens to get stuff working again, but now with metacitiy i see that (1) new windows open in the top-left of the screen, (2) i lost all my metacity buttons [typically appearing on the upper right corner of a window], (3) i can't zap X anymoree, despite having the DontZap option set to off in my Xorg.conf in the ServerFlags area |
| 11:51.28 | mordy_ | don't know what else is broken yet. these were just the most noticeable so far after 1 minute of use |
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| 12:10.39 | tstebut | Hi ! |
| 12:11.09 | tstebut | Somebody used with samba server as PDC and Wins server ? |
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| 12:17.18 | wuffi600 | hi |
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| 12:17.30 | babilen | tstebut: You might want to try #samba if this question is not really Debian related |
| 12:18.41 | wuffi600 | i've just installed 5.0.3 but not all keys on my keyboard work. "Pos1" and "End" have no effect when pressed. I think there is a "dpkg-reconfigure ..." to configure keyboard for console but what should be set as "..."? |
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| 12:25.36 | tstebut | babilen, would you give some help on #samba for me I you can ? |
| 12:26.22 | sobersabre | hi. I have a program I have its source code, and I want to know the memory image structure of this program, i.e. why it uses the memory and which variables are used and how much they take. |
| 12:26.32 | sobersabre | how do I do this ? |
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| 12:27.17 | sobersabre | I also looked at pmap output of this program, and it has regions signed as "rw" and some are "r-x" |
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| 12:35.25 | xNinja | hello...how to install Net::openssh for perl ? |
| 12:35.42 | valdyn | libnet-ssh2-perl |
| 12:35.58 | valdyn | libnet-ssh-perl |
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| 12:36.55 | xNinja | i did and still i get this msg |
| 12:36.55 | xNinja | Can't locate Net/OpenSSH.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at ssh-script.pl line 6. |
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| 12:37.29 | valdyn | xNinja: that file is not in debian |
| 12:37.51 | xNinja | what you mean |
| 12:38.12 | valdyn | xNinja: what i said |
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| 12:38.25 | valdyn | OpenSSH.pm is not in debian |
| 12:38.27 | xNinja | i am running this file in debian lenny |
| 12:38.40 | xNinja | i cant find that file in apt- |
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| 12:39.17 | valdyn | while there is Net/SSH.pm |
| 12:39.24 | khaleel5000 | hello, i have debian sid, i have a seperate partition for /home folder.the partition on which my 'home' folder is is 12 gig,it now appears full.All 'MY' stuff is about 7 gig (i am a single user) .How do and form where do i delete the 'temp' files that might be in there? |
| 12:39.39 | valdyn | xNinja: use the dh-make-perl debian package to create a proper debian package from cpan |
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| 12:40.42 | cahoot | khaleel5000: compared df -i and df -h? |
| 12:40.57 | valdyn | khaleel5000: this isnt temp files |
| 12:41.10 | valdyn | khaleel5000: it could be caches in ~/.* |
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| 12:42.40 | babilen | khaleel5000: You could use a tool like baobab to search for large files |
| 12:42.52 | valdyn | khaleel5000: on top of that 5% are reserved for root only by default |
| 12:43.39 | khaleel5000 | http://pastebin.com/d7bb43e6b |
| 12:43.53 | khaleel5000 | i have ext3 as partition |
| 12:44.14 | HappyXmas | what does stale NFS file handle mean? |
| 12:44.14 | HappyXmas | I would google but I have no X , Also my home / keeps bein mounted in rw only |
| 12:44.14 | HappyXmas | not sure if the two "errors" are related |
| 12:45.11 | valdyn | khaleel5000: du -hs /home; du -hs /home/* |
| 12:46.23 | valdyn | khaleel5000: and du -hs /home/whatever/* to get details about "suspicious" directories |
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| 12:47.16 | khaleel5000 | http://pastebin.com/de8d41c6 |
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| 12:47.40 | valdyn | khaleel5000: do you need help with that last paste? |
| 12:48.28 | mjt | what's /home/home ? :) |
| 12:48.39 | mjt | (it's an empty dir) |
| 12:49.46 | khaleel5000 | no, i will check again and tell you guys |
| 12:49.59 | khaleel5000 | i am looking through du-hs /home/myfolder |
| 12:50.02 | RichiH | rgr: test |
| 12:50.21 | khaleel5000 | mjt: yes its empty,useless |
| 12:51.36 | mjt | du -m ~ -- that will show all the sizes |
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| 12:55.18 | babilen | khaleel5000: Install a tool like baobab |
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| 12:57.08 | mjt | $ baobab |
| 12:57.08 | mjt | bash: baobab: command not found |
| 12:57.17 | mjt | $ apt-cache search baobab |
| 12:57.17 | mjt | gnome-utils - GNOME desktop utilities |
| 12:57.24 | poppiez | stupid question but how do I figure out if my system is running 32 bit or 64 bit? |
| 12:57.32 | babilen | judd: versions baobab |
| 12:57.33 | judd | babilen: baobab -- etch: 2.4.2-1.1+b1 |
| 12:57.48 | mjt | poppiez: arch |
| 12:58.12 | mjt | babilen: it's gnome-utils |
| 12:58.13 | babilen | mjt: just install gnome-utils |
| 12:58.24 | poppiez | mjt: is that a package or? |
| 12:58.30 | mjt | poppiez: a command |
| 12:58.45 | mjt | poppiez: which you run in shell |
| 12:58.54 | poppiez | mjt: it says command not found |
| 12:59.28 | mjt | oh you're on lenny where there was no arch in coreutils... |
| 12:59.36 | babilen | poppiez: unlikely, it's in core ... ah nvm |
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| 13:00.12 | mjt | poppiez: file /bin/ls |
| 13:00.20 | mjt | poppiez: that will work too :) |
| 13:00.28 | mjt | poppiez: failing that, uname -a |
| 13:00.30 | babilen | poppiez: or uname -r should do the trick as well (kernel) |
| 13:01.06 | poppiez | ah, works. thanks both :) |
| 13:01.17 | mjt | babilen: uname -m |
| 13:01.36 | mjt | -r gives a string compiled into kernel which might be anything |
| 13:01.38 | babilen | yep, fingers faster than brain ;-) |
| 13:01.58 | mjt | poppiez: also see cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 13:02.16 | mjt | "address sizes: 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual" -- it's 32 on 32bit kernel |
| 13:02.42 | mjt | (if present at all) |
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| 13:03.22 | khaleel5000 | valdyn: babilen thamks,found a 3.5 gig useless zip file! deleted it |
| 13:03.26 | poppiez | mjt: thanks :) |
| 13:03.48 | mjt | khaleel5000: it looks like you need to re-think your space usage :) |
| 13:04.20 | mjt | khaleel5000: 12gig for /home nowadays when you d/load and compile things is tiny |
| 13:04.52 | korhojoa | :/ |
| 13:05.00 | korhojoa | I don't even have 12 gigs for /home |
| 13:05.21 | khaleel5000 | mjt: i have seperate 300gig + for that stuff |
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| 13:07.35 | mjt | korhojoa: here, 160Gig 3.5" sata hdd costs ~$30 |
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| 13:08.25 | mjt | about $50 for 320Gig |
| 13:10.19 | korhojoa | can't stick a 3,5" hdd in a thin client :/ |
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| 13:11.36 | mjt | i installed a new home server a few days ago, mini-itx mobo and case with single 750gig 3.5" hdd (wd green) |
| 13:11.54 | mjt | that's small case but it can hold 2x 2.5" hdds |
| 13:12.15 | mjt | and there are usb flash drives out there too... |
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| 13:12.33 | korhojoa | yeah. i know |
| 13:12.34 | mjt | (the new atom d510 thing is quite good) |
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| 13:12.44 | korhojoa | i've got a 8 gig stick as space |
| 13:12.57 | markit | hi, is it normal that md5sum and sha1sum of "testing nightly builds" installer does never match the .iso I download? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 13:13.01 | mjt | but fast sticks are pricy |
| 13:13.34 | korhojoa | yup |
| 13:13.42 | korhojoa | got a 64 gb stick too, but it's slow as butt |
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| 13:14.41 | mjt | i've kingston data traveller hyperX 32Gig - that one can read data at 28mb/sec and write at ~20mb/sec |
| 13:15.07 | mjt | regular sticks are close to 5..8 mb/sec |
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| 13:15.41 | korhojoa | whoa |
| 13:16.01 | korhojoa | well, the 64 gb stick does read at ~25-30 and write at ~18-25 |
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| 13:29.41 | sixtila2 | trying to install debian from usb- it asks for a password- any idea |
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| 13:31.29 | mavhc | what's it? |
| 13:31.41 | mavhc | and where you did download the usb image from? |
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| 13:32.45 | sixtila2 | created usb boot from ubuntu and pointed to debian iso |
| 13:33.17 | mavhc | at what point is the password asked for? |
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| 13:34.01 | sixtila2 | right after i press enter for usb boot |
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| 14:43.06 | soul | hi ,i am trying to use sudo using php |
| 14:43.30 | soul | no tty present message shows up,but in /etc/sudoers,there is no requiretty to uncomment |
| 14:43.44 | soul | any ideas mates? |
| 14:44.20 | babilen_ | soul: #php maybe? |
| 14:44.35 | soul | babilen: its something to do with /etc/sudoers |
| 14:45.05 | soul | with other linux falvours,what i did was just commenting out requiretty |
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| 14:48.00 | mjt | hm. How to find out who's requesting ipv6? |
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| 14:48.28 | mjt | a few times per minute |
| 14:50.55 | babilen | soul: just add '!requiretty' after the sudo line for the user you want the php to be executed as maybe? |
| 14:51.06 | babilen | soul: man sudoers might help |
| 14:51.30 | soul | i will try |
| 14:51.31 | soul | sec |
| 14:51.40 | eljoest | hi, I've already tried google to no avail. I tried packaging concordance (especially libconcord) and while the build process works nicely and the files are installed to "debian/tmp/usr/*", the created .deb do not contain any of them. I'm sure I'm missing something really simple... |
| 14:51.41 | babilen | soul: err, make that 'Defaults:user !requiretty' |
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| 14:52.55 | babilen | soul: the man page states that this flag is *off* by default |
| 14:53.08 | eljoest | I created the template with "dh_make -l" and run the build with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot. I'd appreciate any help... |
| 14:53.27 | soul | babilen: thats weird |
| 14:53.41 | babilen | soul: yep, you are sure that the php code is correct? |
| 14:53.48 | soul | let me check |
| 14:53.50 | babilen | eljoest: #debian-mentors@OFTC |
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| 14:57.14 | babilen | !tell mjt -about noipv6 |
| 14:57.15 | eljoest | babilen: thanks |
| 14:57.23 | babilen | eljoest: good luck |
| 14:57.30 | soul | babilen: my bad |
| 14:57.40 | soul | i thought apache was running as www-data |
| 14:57.46 | soul | but its not :) |
| 14:57.51 | soul | that fixed it |
| 14:57.53 | soul | thanks |
| 14:57.53 | babilen | :-D |
| 14:57.57 | babilen | no problem |
| 14:58.04 | soul | cheers bye |
| 14:58.05 | mjt | babilen: i know about noipv6 and already have that modprobe.d file (for several years in fact) |
| 14:58.18 | mjt | my question was.. different |
| 14:58.26 | mjt | i wanted to know why/who is requesting it |
| 14:58.27 | babilen | i know |
| 14:58.55 | babilen | tcpdump/wireshark might help |
| 14:59.29 | mjt | nope |
| 14:59.43 | mjt | it's some local process that tries to create IPv6 socket |
| 14:59.59 | babilen | mjt: are you running testing? |
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| 15:00.07 | mjt | i'm running a mix |
| 15:00.20 | babilen | but you have some testing in there? |
| 15:00.25 | babilen | or unstable |
| 15:00.26 | mjt | sure |
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| 15:00.52 | valdyn | mjt: about everything in debian is ipv6 enabled... hence it will probably "request" ipv6 |
| 15:01.10 | valdyn | mjt: now i wonder why you would care about this |
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| 15:01.39 | sixtila2 | babilen does the netinst need internet? |
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| 15:02.06 | sixtila2 | somehow the setup cant connect to net |
| 15:02.23 | mjt | well, i've a module-less (virtual) machine wher there's no kernel (it is loaded externally) and modules but there ARE modutils installed. All modules are loaded from initramfs. On this machine, syslog is full of modprobe lines. |
| 15:02.38 | mjt | s/modutils/m.i.t/ |
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| 15:02.59 | mjt | so i become curios as of why it is happening |
| 15:03.19 | mjt | probably should just disable module loading (it's an operator error after all) |
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| 15:03.39 | babilen | mjt: could http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/10/msg00541.html be related? |
| 15:03.47 | valdyn | mjt: # alias net-pf-10 ipv6 is not commented out for you? ( probably in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases.conf ) |
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| 15:04.11 | mjt | modprobe complains that it can't find modules.dep |
| 15:04.18 | mjt | because of local config/operator error |
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| 15:04.25 | mjt | but that's all irrelevant really |
| 15:04.37 | babilen | sixtila2: you can install the base system just fine without network connection. Just don't select any tasks, you can install gnome et al later |
| 15:04.43 | mjt | i just wanted to know who's requesting it. Because a week ago there was no such messages. |
| 15:05.12 | babilen | sixtila2: why is it not able to get internet access? you had wired network access, didn't you? |
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| 15:05.52 | sixtila2 | ya, but when it asks for mirror i choose http and it says can't |
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| 15:06.38 | mjt | what's the proper way to stop kernel from trying to load modules? |
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| 15:06.50 | mjt | besides /proc/sys/kernel/modules_disabled |
| 15:07.07 | mjt | (which can't be reverted back) |
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| 15:08.01 | babilen | sixtila2: does it work with, say, ftp? can you change to another console (ALT+F[1-9]) and look for error messages? |
| 15:08.25 | sixtila2 | it did have ftp option as well |
| 15:09.15 | babilen | sixtila2: but you can install a base system with the netinstall just fine, you just need to add packages later on. don't you have a full-blown CD1/DVD1 around? Or what did you burn earlier? |
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| 15:10.35 | sixtila2 | i have a dvd1 also, i will try again, its killing me |
| 15:11.11 | sixtila2 | with the dvd now, i end up in a grub shell, no graphics! |
| 15:11.12 | babilen | sixtila2: sorry, for that experience. The install is pretty straightforward in most cases. |
| 15:11.14 | vizzord | hello everybody :) does anybody know how a way to auth user from external program in pam ? |
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| 15:11.48 | babilen | sixtila2: just install the base system with the netinstall and we'll take it from there, ok? |
| 15:12.12 | sixtila2 | ok thanks, i will get back |
| 15:12.38 | vizzord | mm.. is any a pam users here ? :)) |
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| 15:12.48 | mjt | not at all!.. ;) |
| 15:12.58 | babilen | nobody uses that! |
| 15:13.28 | mjt | heck. How to specify empty value in /etc/sysctl.conf? :) |
| 15:14.11 | vizzord | i need help.. all pam modules insead pam_unix of course are sux. I need to authorize via perl script. does anybody know how to do it ? |
| 15:14.29 | babilen | mjt: what do you want to add in there? |
| 15:14.46 | mjt | kernel.modprobe = (empty) |
| 15:15.00 | mjt | it complains about invalid syntax |
| 15:15.12 | babilen | mjt: try setting it with sysctl, but that might not work as well |
| 15:15.36 | babilen | "sysctl -w kernel.modprobe=''" maybe? |
| 15:15.46 | mjt | `Malformed setting "kernel.modprobe="' |
| 15:15.53 | mjt | ;) |
| 15:16.03 | mjt | i can echo > /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe |
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| 15:16.18 | mjt | just tried to use the regular mechanism designed especially for that :) |
| 15:16.28 | babilen | yeah |
| 15:16.41 | mjt | which apparently does not work that well |
| 15:17.01 | babilen | mjt: did you had a look at the link I gave you? Might that be related? |
| 15:17.25 | babilen | just because you said that this is new behaviour ... |
| 15:17.26 | mjt | my mouse borked for some reason so i have to reboot to be able to cut-n-paste :) |
| 15:17.39 | mjt | lemme try that... |
| 15:18.01 | mjt | hm. X has "keyboard mouse" |
| 15:18.36 | sixtila2 | nabilen does the netinst ask pass at setup? |
| 15:18.43 | babilen | no |
| 15:18.46 | sixtila2 | it did the last time |
| 15:18.57 | sixtila2 | i will update agn |
| 15:19.18 | sixtila2 | usb created fot netinst |
| 15:19.26 | sixtila2 | reboot in progress |
| 15:19.28 | mjt | heh. it works (kbd mouse) but i dunno how to paste from the secondary clipboard. |
| 15:19.29 | babilen | mjt: the setting is in /etc/sysctl.d/bindv6only.conf and IIRC a new procps package enabling net.ipv6.bindv6only migrated to testing some days/weeks ago |
| 15:19.39 | mjt | oh that |
| 15:19.45 | mjt | i've seen the discussion |
| 15:19.53 | mjt | it has nothing to do with my question |
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| 15:20.13 | babilen | yeah, it might be totally unrelated - it just popped into my mind because of the synchronicity |
| 15:20.23 | mjt | ok, i need my mouse back -- for about 3 hours I'm w/o mouse already :) |
| 15:20.44 | sixtila2 | booting from usb- bluish blank screen - if enter asks for admin pass! |
| 15:21.08 | sixtila2 | enter- pass required |
| 15:21.10 | babilen | mjt: you can pipe into pastebinit |
| 15:21.12 | mjt | ..here we go |
| 15:21.26 | babilen | sixtila2: did you not manage already to get into the installer? |
| 15:21.29 | mjt | re-plugged it |
| 15:22.01 | sixtila2 | it always asks 4 pass and i dunno what to do |
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| 15:22.08 | sixtila2 | what pass can it be |
| 15:22.31 | babilen | sixtila2: that is the USB stick created according to the install guide? (the zcat stuff) |
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| 15:22.56 | reto` | sixtila2: is it lenny? |
| 15:23.07 | sixtila2 | nop, once with bootin and once with ubuntu |
| 15:23.08 | babilen | sixtila2: or the unetbootin / ubuntu usb-something one? |
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| 15:23.41 | sixtila2 | now i will try zcat |
| 15:24.02 | babilen | sixtila2: try creating an usb stick according to the guide in the install manual. Which image did you use? Did you download that yourself? |
| 15:24.13 | babilen | !tell sixtila2 -about usb install |
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| 15:24.28 | sixtila2 | yes, the image i was linked earlier |
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| 15:25.05 | babilen | No idea why that would ask you for a password. Does your BIOS by chance prevent USB booting without a valid password? |
| 15:25.38 | sixtila2 | nop, the usb didnt ask pass when it had ubuntu in it |
| 15:25.57 | babilen | you installed ubuntu from the USB as well? |
| 15:26.20 | babilen | sixtila2: try the method outlined in the install manual or in the debian-administration link given to you earlier |
| 15:26.21 | sixtila2 | tried to cause i couldnt get debian, |
| 15:26.51 | babilen | just make sure you don't download the x86 images, but the amd64 ones |
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| 15:27.58 | babilen | and check twice if the /dev/sdN is indeed the USB stick (plugging it in and checking dmesg will help) |
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| 15:31.01 | wald0_ | how i can give internet from my wifi ? so, made it working just like an access point where i can connect my other laptops |
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| 15:33.42 | wald0_ | is there any howto ? |
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| 15:39.20 | babilen | !teall wald0_ -about bridging |
| 15:39.24 | babilen | !teall wald0_ -about bridge setup |
| 15:39.33 | babilen | !tell wald0_ -about bridge setup |
| 15:39.41 | babilen | !tell wald0_ -about bridging |
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| 15:45.36 | wald0_ | thx |
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| 15:48.11 | nlko | hey, what size recommedned swap if i have 100gb partition |
| 15:48.21 | nlko | 500gb windows disk, want 100gb for nix |
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| 15:48.39 | AimHere | Twice your physical memory, although if you have lots, you might want to cut down a bit |
| 15:48.40 | babilen | niko: how much RAM? |
| 15:48.46 | nlko | 4gb |
| 15:49.06 | nlko | thats the general rule of thumb? twice the ram? |
| 15:49.12 | AimHere | General rule |
| 15:49.16 | cahoot | it was |
| 15:49.20 | nlko | but.. |
| 15:49.21 | valdyn | nlko: 1G could be enough |
| 15:49.28 | AimHere | I think I have 4 gig RAM, but 2 gig Swap, and I've never had memory problems |
| 15:49.28 | valdyn | nlko: twice your ram is never to low |
| 15:49.33 | babilen | nlko: what are you running on that machine? |
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| 15:49.41 | nlko | win7 |
| 15:49.55 | bolt | is there any plan of getting synergy+ into debian? synergy is awfully outdated and buggy. |
| 15:50.04 | babilen | nlko: no, within Debian. Like, do you run database servers, web servers, etc? |
| 15:50.09 | bolt | should i ask the synergy maintainer? it's kind of another branch of the same program |
| 15:50.33 | nlko | ah right, no just laptop/desktop for coding, etc |
| 15:50.41 | babilen | bolt: Look for an ITP (intend to package) for that. If not file a RFP (request for packaging) |
| 15:50.43 | nlko | not anything intense, not gaming or anything |
| 15:51.09 | bolt | babilen: where? packages debian org? |
| 15:51.11 | babilen | what happens if you suspend to disk and swap is smaller than the RAM image? |
| 15:51.26 | nlko | is that what the swap is for? ^ |
| 15:51.27 | babilen | bolt: http://bugs.debian.org |
| 15:51.35 | bolt | thanks :) |
| 15:52.15 | babilen | nlko: among other things. First and foremost it is used if you run out of physical RAM and some pages need to be *swapped* out onto the disk |
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| 15:52.28 | babilen | !tell nlko -about swap |
| 15:53.05 | nlko | ok, so il go with 6gb swap? what you think? |
| 15:53.11 | nlko | seems wasted :/ |
| 15:53.24 | nlko | or *feels* |
| 15:54.20 | babilen | 2-4 should be enough |
| 15:54.28 | nlko | ok il go with 4 then |
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| 15:55.03 | cahoot | nlko: you can always add a swapfile if needed |
| 15:55.39 | nlko | i just read about that- why would someone do that? to save partitioning? |
| 15:55.57 | Bac9 | how can I open a msft powerpoint presentation in ooimpress without having it autostart and grab keyboard/mouse? |
| 15:56.08 | cahoot | nlko: if the swap partition is too small? |
| 15:56.27 | nlko | but you could make it bigger- i guess youd just be making a big swap file anwyay? |
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| 15:57.27 | cahoot | nlko: the point I was hinting at was - no need oversize the swap partition, if it turns out you need more than the alloted space just add a swapfile |
| 15:58.00 | babilen | which is not likely, but still possible. |
| 15:58.01 | nlko | ah right, got you. thanks |
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| 15:58.36 | nlko | ok, il give this a shot then, guess il be back later when im in a world of wireless card pain :) |
| 15:58.50 | babilen | nlko: which card? |
| 15:59.54 | nlko | intel wifi 5100 agn |
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| 16:00.46 | babilen | !iwl5100 |
| 16:00.46 | dpkg | from memory, iwlagn is the driver for the Intel Wireless WiFi Link (4965AGN, 5100AGN, 5300AGN, 5350AGN, 5150AGN, 1000BGN, 6000AGN) series of devices. Included in mainline kernels since 2.6.27. Lenny users: ask me about <backports.org> to install a later kernel image containing this driver. Firmware is required, ask me about <iwlagn firmware>. http://wiki.debian.org/iwlagn |
| 16:01.14 | nlko | sweet :) |
| 16:01.37 | babilen | nlko: you could install with a newer kernel from the beginning or install a new kernel from backports later on. You have wired net access, don't you? |
| 16:02.09 | babilen | ah, kmuto won't really help as you'll still need the firmware. Just install the base system and come back |
| 16:02.32 | nlko | does the net install is from debian org have the latest kernal? |
| 16:02.38 | babilen | no |
| 16:02.49 | babilen | that would be kmuto |
| 16:02.51 | babilen | !kmuto |
| 16:02.51 | dpkg | For Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ . The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm |
| 16:03.04 | nlko | ok, il install base and pop back |
| 16:03.14 | nlko | thanks again all |
| 16:03.32 | babilen | but you can upgrade the kernel later without problems .. given that you can install packages from the internet (via wired) |
| 16:04.14 | nlko | yep, sounds good to me |
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| 16:11.25 | Linux-IRC | What's the command to mount usb manually? mount /dev/? /media/pendrive |
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| 16:13.10 | Argafal | Linux-IRC: if you have an entry in /etc/fstab it will be mount /DIRECTORYTOMOUNTTO |
| 16:13.17 | Argafal | you find the name in /etc/fstab |
| 16:13.34 | Argafal | Linux-IRC: depending on your desktop and setup there might be some automatic stuff as well. |
| 16:13.57 | Argafal | if everything fails it is the same as every mount: mount /dev/devicename /mnt/whatever |
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| 16:14.05 | Argafal | + options if you need them. |
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| 16:14.53 | macrobat | pmount lets you mount as a regular user and you dont have to give it a mount point |
| 16:15.34 | Bastihase_ | hi i have a problem to install mysql |
| 16:15.35 | Bastihase_ | http://pastebin.org/68630 |
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| 16:16.18 | Hans_Henrik | i bought a expensive new laptop for about 8 days ago; Stable_NetInstall_x64 and Testing_NetInstall_x64 (downloaded today) does not recodnize my WLAN card nor my ethernet card... what do i do? :( (and if its any helpfull: same in ubuntu 9.10) |
| 16:16.33 | nsadmin | macrobat: then what does it mount onto? |
| 16:16.51 | cahoot | Hans_Henrik: what wlan device? |
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| 16:17.15 | cahoot | Hans_Henrik: lspci -nn to get their pciids |
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| 16:17.33 | Hans_Henrik | cahoot: http://pastebin.org/68621 |
| 16:17.44 | nlko | arg..netinst in not recognising my network adapter |
| 16:17.45 | Hans_Henrik | cahoot: im running win7 atm, sorry |
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| 16:18.37 | soul | Hans_Henrik: can you transalate that? |
| 16:18.43 | Hans_Henrik | cahoot: i can download the full debian installer cd, boot up on that, run the command, save the result, and reboot in win7 and post result, but that's gonna take some time |
| 16:18.59 | Hans_Henrik | soul: translate what? |
| 16:19.00 | nsadmin | that pastebin site threw about 20 cookies at me |
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| 16:20.16 | nlko | net install does not have my network card driver, its a marvel yukon, reading this thread now http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2005-02/2623.html, modprobe from f2 should do it? |
| 16:20.30 | nlko | modprobe sk98lin |
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| 16:21.47 | nsadmin | Hans_Henrik: if you're going to try the install anyway, you might as well install the base while you're at it... tell installer to leave net unconfigured if you're going to do that |
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| 16:24.07 | Hans_Henrik | does the full CD/DVD installer include more net card drivers than the netinst_stable or netinst_testing ? |
| 16:24.09 | Hans_Henrik | nsadmin: ok |
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| 16:24.44 | xxtjaxx` | Oi! |
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| 16:25.36 | Hans_Henrik | brb |
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| 16:26.19 | Red_Cloud | Merry Christmas! I need quite a bit of help to fix my computer. I would like to go into my XP partition from kde linux. I have done this years ago but have forgotten massive amounts of knowledge since then. Any help would be very much appreciated. |
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| 16:27.04 | nlko | i need to run modprobe during my net install, switching console using f2,m woudl this work? |
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| 16:27.44 | tonsofpcs | fat? ntfs? other? |
| 16:28.00 | Hans_Henrik | was there any reply to the question "is it more network card drivers in full install CD/DVD than netinst_stable or netinst_test ?" while i was gone? |
| 16:28.06 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: which version of linux? |
| 16:28.11 | abrotman | nlko: it should |
| 16:28.24 | nlko | ok, il try that then |
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| 16:33.00 | cahoot | Hans_Henrik: I'd say no |
| 16:33.10 | omg_onoez | hello, i have a problem with playing sound in iceweasel (runnin squeeze), don't shoot me plz, it says "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1010:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave". thanks and sorry for my english |
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| 16:33.52 | nlko | hm..net install doesnt come with module sk98lin |
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| 16:35.06 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, I have regressed into a neophyte over the years and have forgotten how to determine my version of linux. Any suggestions, other than ending my miserable life? |
| 16:35.29 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: uname -a might be a good start |
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| 16:35.53 | abrotman | 'uname -a' |
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| 16:36.41 | nlko | my network driver is not supported by the debian net install, ive downloaded the driver from the vendor, any advice on installing this? |
| 16:37.09 | nlko | got to keep bouncing between windows and the failed install so want to know as much as possible before restarting |
| 16:37.37 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, 2.6.21-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Jul 11 03:53:02 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 16:37.48 | Linux-IRC | Argafal: No desktop environment |
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| 16:38.10 | Linux-IRC | Argafal: No automatic prompt for usb plugging |
| 16:38.10 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: that looks an outdated version of Debian |
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| 16:40.41 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, very much so! It have been years since I rummaged around with Linux. I installed "Linux from Scratch" quite a few times and then installed this Debian KDE desktop version. Since then I have been very much into determining my genealogy tree so have used XP for the last several years. |
| 16:40.53 | omg_onoez | well, fixed it with 'alsa force-reload' |
| 16:41.38 | omg_onoez | ICEWEASEL_DSP was set to "aoss" |
| 16:41.51 | omg_onoez | and i have no idea how to fix it in some nice way |
| 16:42.30 | omg_onoez | without reloadong alsa |
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| 16:44.32 | Linux-IRC | After unmounting pendrive the light for pendrive is still on, is there any command to get the light off? |
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| 16:45.34 | jhutchins_lt | Linux-IRC: Probably not. Does it turn off with other OSs? |
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| 16:46.51 | Bac9 | Linux-IRC: aren't those lights USB powered? have you discovered a new powersource? |
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| 16:47.21 | abrotman | Red_Cloud: okay, so what are you asking ? |
| 16:47.32 | omg_onoez | Linux-IRC, try sync |
| 16:47.54 | Bac9 | Linux-IRC: did you try unpluging your drive? |
| 16:47.59 | babilen | nlko: download CD1/DVD1 and install from that ... or install the base system (just leave the nework unconfigured in the netinstall) and configure your wlan .. Looks like your NIC is not well supported on Linux |
| 16:48.25 | Bac9 | how can I open a msft powerpoint presentation in ooimpress without having it autostart and grab keyboard/mouse? |
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| 16:48.37 | babilen | nlko: Do you have 2 computers, or ist the one you install on the only one around? |
| 16:49.02 | Red_Cloud | abrotman, hold on for a while. My problem is my monitor and now I have increased my misery by going to my screen settings and pushing the factory reset button. I must correct this before I can resume my effort to fix my system. |
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| 16:50.43 | Red_Cloud | I shall return later. |
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| 16:51.46 | babilen | nlko: I would install a complete system (with Desktop Environment) if i were you and download the firmware for your iwl5100 card (/msg dpkg iwl5100) and get your wireless running and keep going from there |
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| 16:51.55 | Linux-IRC | jhutchins_lt: Bac9 omg_onoez : Windows xp does light off, |
| 16:52.57 | nlko | does netinstall support wireless? or does it have to be lan? |
| 16:53.03 | omg_onoez | Linux-IRC, and on another boxes, not yours, not this one u're using now? =) may be its somehow broken? |
| 16:53.18 | nlko | i have two computers, il boot the other now |
| 16:53.24 | abrotman | nlko: depends on the wifi card in question |
| 16:53.41 | nlko | intel 5100 agn |
| 16:54.32 | Linux-IRC | Does debian support blutooth?Can i save photos from Nokia phone to my debian box? |
| 16:55.07 | newsense | Linux-IRC: lookinto the bluez package |
| 16:55.08 | rgammans | Linux-IRC: I'venot had a problem |
| 16:55.09 | nlko | think il just install base system and then try to get the wireless card working with the firmware |
| 16:55.27 | jhutchins_lt | Linux-IRC: Does mount show it not mounted? |
| 16:55.33 | babilen | !tell nlko -about installer firmware |
| 16:55.37 | jhutchins_lt | Linux-IRC: Sometimes they just don't turn off. |
| 16:55.42 | babilen | nlko: might also be an option |
| 16:55.54 | jhutchins_lt | Linux-IRC: Yes, bluez-utils among others. |
| 16:56.07 | jhutchins_lt | dpkg: tell Linux-IRC about bluetooth |
| 16:56.12 | omg_onoez | Linux-IRC, so, you tried sync? |
| 16:56.13 | nlko | thanks guys |
| 16:56.13 | nlko | i |
| 16:56.16 | nlko | il try that |
| 16:56.17 | abrotman | nlko: which version are you trying to install ? |
| 16:56.31 | nlko | version of debian? latest netinstall cd, etch is it? |
| 16:56.37 | abrotman | lenny i hope |
| 16:56.40 | abrotman | and that still won't support it |
| 16:56.44 | abrotman | !tell nlko about kmuto |
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| 17:06.13 | Linux-IRC | omg_onoez: Did sync after umounting pendrive,still the light of pendrive is on |
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| 17:09.25 | Linux-IRC | bye |
| 17:13.11 | rgammans | the wiki has some stuff about problem with touchpads after an upgrade to squeeze. The adivce thre doesnt' fix everything for me. Does anyone know where I can find more about the problem out |
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| 17:14.06 | abrotman | rgammans: fixing what about it ? |
| 17:15.48 | rgammans | abrotman: The scrolll and mid button 'gestures' (right hand edge stuff) doesn't work. Tapping didn't either but the advice (use proto=imps) with psmouse kmod fixed that , but not the mid button, or the scroll |
| 17:16.25 | abrotman | i found that it was easier to generate an xorg.conf and add options from 'man synaptics' that i wanted |
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| 17:16.43 | abrotman | (though i've just recently gotten a laptop with a touchpad, all the rest have trackpoints thank goodness) |
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| 17:17.06 | rgammans | Hmm. I've twiddled quite a bit with xorg.conf without success. |
| 17:17.41 | rgammans | I actullay quite like touchpads know I've got to use them. But the easy scroll, whell and middle button makes a huge difference |
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| 17:18.45 | abrotman | hugs the trackpoint |
| 17:19.39 | rgammans | the last laptop I had with a trackpoint was a 386, so I didn't bother with X on it. |
| 17:20.27 | rgammans | ...actually it might have been a 486sx.. |
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| 17:45.54 | mischievious | can anyone tell me if i can pipe a character device over SSH or netcat or the like? |
| 17:48.37 | nsx | of course you can, just cat it or use dd |
| 17:51.01 | mischievious | nsx, in this case it would be /dev/video0 |
| 17:51.40 | mischievious | just curious how i would use it with some application like vlc locally |
| 17:53.38 | cahoot | http://downbe.at/nl/2008/04/07/streaming_movies_with_netcat_and_mplayer/ |
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| 17:54.26 | Wulf_ | hi |
| 17:54.38 | Wulf_ | how long do I have to wait until I can send a mail to the debian bts? |
| 17:54.59 | valdyn | Wulf_: why wait? |
| 17:55.16 | Wulf_ | greylist. sorry, was my local mta's retry timeout |
| 17:55.25 | mischievious | cahoot, would it be possible to create a device out of it in /dev? or would i need a kernel driver for that |
| 17:55.46 | cahoot | mischievious: way beyond me - sorry |
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| 17:55.58 | mischievious | ah, sorry, but thanks for the link |
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| 17:58.10 | Wulf_ | I posted a comment for #562518, maybe someone could try it and tell me the result |
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| 18:00.12 | holpart | lsusb shows me Initio Corporation, but i cant that device in /dev/sd*, i do not know what fs it is - what else can i try to detect external usb disk ? |
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| 18:01.47 | fat-lobyte | Hi, I have a 'non-problem': when I use a virtual console (for example by pressing alt-f1), the message "eth0: auto-negotiating..." is printed to the screen in an interval of 10 seconds. This does not really affect my system, it is just terribly annoying. |
| 18:02.01 | cahoot | holpart: plug it in and look at the last 10 or so lines of dmesg? |
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| 18:02.51 | fat-lobyte | also, my /var/log/syslog and /var/log/messages is polluted with "eth0: auto-negotiating...". Any Ideas of how I could get rid of this message? |
| 18:03.26 | holpart | cahoot: thx, there it is, but i am failing to find it as somethink that i could try to mount in /dev/* , dmesg: usb 1-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 ... etc |
| 18:03.41 | cahoot | no sd*? |
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| 18:04.20 | sweex | got a question, i was trying to install b43 drivers for my wlan, so i plugged in my ethernet (eth0) , but i can't seem to get it working... dhclient: "dhcpdiscover on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 57 interval x ", then times out... any idea's it's an Intel 82801CAM pro/100 VE ? |
| 18:04.30 | holpart | cahoot: no |
| 18:05.07 | holpart | cahoot: only my harddiscs, but not the usb one |
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| 18:05.36 | holpart | lsusb says : Bus 001 Device 010: ID 13fd:1618 Initio Corporation |
| 18:05.39 | metalfan_ | hi |
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| 18:05.43 | metalfan_ | merry christmas |
| 18:06.13 | metalfan_ | whats the right line for sources.list to get packages for lenny backports? found this package: http://packages.debian.org/de/lenny-backports/python-pylons |
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| 18:11.36 | fat-lobyte | metalfan_: deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 18:11.55 | metalfan_ | thx |
| 18:11.59 | babilen | mischievious: have a look at mknod |
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| 18:12.21 | cahoot | holpart: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=35979 |
| 18:12.22 | fat-lobyte | metalfan_: but watch out with apt pinning, you better read the whole instructions at http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 18:12.35 | metalfan_ | crap, now i deleted ssh via update-rc.d from runlevel 2. update-rc.d [-n] <basename> start|stop NN runlvl what does NN mean in this line? |
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| 18:15.47 | fat-lobyte | metalfan_: restore to defaults with: update-rc.d -f vsftpd <basename> (use update-rc.d-insserv if you use insserv) |
| 18:16.17 | fat-lobyte | metalfan_: that would be ssh instead of vsftpd in your case :-) |
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| 18:16.47 | metalfan_ | whats the basename? |
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| 18:17.36 | fat-lobyte | sshd i think |
| 18:18.12 | fat-lobyte | so again: update-rc.d sshd defaults |
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| 18:21.28 | jamesstanley | I realise this is nothing to do with Debian as it won't boot that far, but I just bought some new RAM and stuck it in my computer and now all it does is flash seemingly-random colours on the screen in a pattern |
| 18:21.38 | jamesstanley | Does anyone know if it's likely to be something I did wrong? |
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| 18:22.51 | fat-lobyte | jamesstanley: happened to me when my graphics card fried, but that's all I know |
| 18:22.54 | babilen | jamesstanley: too much LSD? Does it stop when you remove the RAM? You could check the RAM with memtest for example .. The new RAM might just be broken |
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| 18:23.05 | jamesstanley | babilen: it worked fine with the old ram |
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| 18:23.06 | metalfan_ | fat-lobyte, says: System startup links for /etc/init.d/ssh already exist. but there no ssh link in /etc/rc2.d ? |
| 18:23.08 | jamesstanley | i'll burn a memtest disk |
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| 18:23.58 | jamesstanley | fat-lobyte: i'm using onboard video so i hope that's not the problem! |
| 18:23.58 | ubsafder | can i install debian from another distro ? |
| 18:23.58 | jamesstanley | ubsafder: debootstrap |
| 18:23.58 | sixtila2 | finishing debian install- have ubuntu on the same disk- should i install grub loader? |
| 18:23.58 | babilen | jamesstanley: Yes, that's what i mean ... It's most likely the new RAM then .. |
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| 18:23.58 | jamesstanley | babilen: in fact memtest won't help |
| 18:23.58 | jamesstanley | even the bios won't run |
| 18:23.58 | ubsafder | my computer does not boot on the debian cd but i got it up no fedora |
| 18:23.58 | jamesstanley | it just flashes random colours |
| 18:24.11 | babilen | sixtila2: yes, it will pick up the ubuntu installation and offer the alternatives in the boot menu |
| 18:24.35 | babilen | jamesstanley: does it beep? |
| 18:24.42 | jamesstanley | no |
| 18:24.43 | fat-lobyte | metalfan_: that does not nessecarily mean it didn't work. some programs don't have entries in all of the runlevels. |
| 18:25.00 | sixtila2 | babila but it says this is the only OS , what can i do? |
| 18:25.03 | jamesstanley | babilen: my mistake |
| 18:25.06 | jamesstanley | one short beep |
| 18:25.13 | jamesstanley | i don't have a manual for the mobo so i'll google the post codes |
| 18:25.20 | babilen | jamesstanley: ok, some computer emit beeps in certain pattern to signal the problem. I would say the new RAM is broken or incorrect for your computer |
| 18:25.21 | jamesstanley | but i'm fairly sure one short beep means all is well |
| 18:25.23 | sixtila2 | will doing yes hamper ubuntu? |
| 18:26.10 | babilen | jamesstanley: check the manual. But it's most likely "RAM ERROR" or something like that ... or "FUBAR - go and hug your teddy" |
| 18:26.18 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 18:26.26 | jamesstanley | i'm pretty sure it has always done one short beep though |
| 18:26.30 | fat-lobyte | sixtila2: grub-legacy or grub2 (grub-pc) installed in ubuntu ? |
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| 18:26.35 | babilen | sixtila2: no, it should just include the Ubuntu install in the boot menu |
| 18:26.52 | babilen | fat-lobyte: good question :-) |
| 18:27.07 | babilen | jamesstanley: might also be the "all is well beep" |
| 18:27.16 | babilen | hard to say without the manual |
| 18:27.31 | babilen | do you have more than one stick? |
| 18:27.34 | jamesstanley | yeah |
| 18:27.49 | jamesstanley | i used to have a 512MB and a 256MB and it worked fine |
| 18:27.56 | jamesstanley | I replaced the 256MB stick with a 1GB stick and now it has problems |
| 18:28.31 | metalfan_ | fat-lobyte, well i need the ssh connection and im not trusting some update-rc.d tool that says everything is fine |
| 18:28.34 | babilen | jamesstanley: hmm, so only one new stick ... I would have suggested to try each of the new ones seperately ... |
| 18:28.59 | sixtila2 | babilen the netinst was corrupt, so i again installed the lenin |
| 18:29.06 | sixtila2 | it worked now |
| 18:29.06 | jamesstanley | babilen: should i remove the 512M stick and try it? |
| 18:29.09 | sixtila2 | phew |
| 18:29.21 | babilen | jamesstanley: I would try each stick seperately |
| 18:29.24 | babilen | sixtila2: \o/ |
| 18:29.30 | jamesstanley | ok babilen |
| 18:29.32 | fat-lobyte | metalfan_: check the other runlevel directories, there might be a symlink in rc0.d or rc1.d |
| 18:29.35 | babilen | sixtila2: WLAN now? |
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| 18:30.03 | sixtila2 | nop hardwire, the netinst was corrupt |
| 18:30.35 | babilen | no, i mean what do you want to do next, now that is working? |
| 18:30.57 | metalfan_ | fat-lobyte, ssh also appears in rc3.d and i know that it was in 2. i just did a "ln -s ../init.d/ssh S16ssh" in rc2.d |
| 18:30.58 | babilen | ans suggested to configure your WLAN |
| 18:30.59 | metalfan_ | looks good |
| 18:31.20 | sixtila2 | excited! first maybe upgrade kernel |
| 18:31.20 | jamesstanley | babilen: i hadn't pressed it in the slot properly! |
| 18:31.22 | jamesstanley | i'm very happy now |
| 18:31.25 | jamesstanley | don't need to buy more |
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| 18:31.33 | babilen | jamesstanley: hehe .. \o/ |
| 18:32.04 | PinkFreud | jamesstanley: d'oh, hate when that happens :) |
| 18:32.14 | babilen | yep ... but easy to fix |
| 18:32.35 | PinkFreud | better than buying a replacement :) |
| 18:32.39 | fat-lobyte | metalfan_: so do you or don't you have your symlink where you want it to be? |
| 18:33.06 | babilen | sixtila2: ok, why do you need a new kernel? (i forgot) |
| 18:33.07 | metalfan_ | i do, i just dont understand why update-rc.d ssh defaults doesnt do it |
| 18:34.09 | sixtila2 | maybe for wireless |
| 18:34.10 | babilen | !tell sixtila2 -about bpo |
| 18:34.42 | babilen | sixtila2: let's verify that first. Could you paste the output of 'lspci -nn' somewhere (eg http://paste.debian.net), please? |
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| 18:35.16 | sixtila2 | brb in debian now |
| 18:35.54 | babilen | sixtila2: huh? why not run it from Debian? |
| 18:36.12 | sixtila2 | i m in ipod |
| 18:36.33 | fat-lobyte | metalfan_: I just tried to delete a symlink and then do a defaults. Obviously, update-rc.d isn't smart enough to check ALL the directories. However, you could first do an update-rc.d -f sshd remove and then restore defaults again |
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| 18:36.46 | babilen | ah - yes, doing that on your freshly installed Debian box would be a good idea ;-) |
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| 18:39.56 | metalfan_ | fat-lobyte, thx |
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| 18:40.22 | metalfan_ | would be really crappy if the computer in a different country restarts without ssh |
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| 18:40.51 | fat-lobyte | true. so are you maintaining a server far far away ? |
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| 18:46.22 | Scurz | hi |
| 18:46.55 | Scurz | do you know if it is possible to know with apache and debian, from which file a php code was executed ? |
| 18:47.36 | Arrowmaster | that sounds like a php question |
| 18:48.31 | abrotman | Scurz: ##php should know about the server vars |
| 18:48.35 | Scurz | ok |
| 18:49.03 | jamesstanley | grub 2 is fail |
| 18:49.27 | jamesstanley | Scurz: $_SERVER['SCRIPT_FILENAME'] might be what you're looking for |
| 18:49.53 | jamesstanley | but with mod_rewrite that may not be what you want |
| 18:49.54 | jamesstanley | i'm not sure |
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| 18:50.26 | Pinchiukas | PHP is fail. |
| 18:50.51 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 18:51.46 | Scurz | jamesstanley: this is not what I'm looking for |
| 18:52.09 | Scurz | Is it possible to get a history of the php requests executed from forms with php/apache? (I asked this question on ##php as well) |
| 18:52.10 | abrotman | Scurz: please ask ##php |
| 18:52.18 | Scurz | yes yes abrotman |
| 18:52.35 | abrotman | Scurz: you're either talking about your apache logs which already exist, or something in the PHP language |
| 18:52.58 | Scurz | I look for things that don't exist in normal logs |
| 18:53.20 | Scurz | (if not, I wouldn't ask for this) |
| 18:53.40 | abrotman | maybe if you could actually express what you're looking for ... |
| 18:54.11 | valdyn | ..something that actually needs explicit write() or printf() or whatever php has |
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| 18:56.36 | Scurz | abrotman: a server I manage has been hacked with a perl script that was put in /tmp by a php code exectued, I think from a form from a hosted website, so I would like to know which form from which website has vulnerabilities |
| 18:56.57 | Scurz | do you understand ? |
| 18:57.12 | valdyn | Scurz: you need to put debugging code into your php code |
| 18:57.21 | valdyn | Scurz: or strace it |
| 18:57.27 | valdyn | Scurz: both seems painful |
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| 18:58.24 | valdyn | Scurz: but maybe the timestamps in apache log and that perl script already give a match |
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| 18:58.47 | Scurz | valdyn: I want to debug my php code, indeed |
| 18:58.51 | ZeZu | If I install debian live to hdd, can i update/upgrade it like normal ? |
| 18:59.10 | Scurz | valdyn: with a strace ?! |
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| 19:00.02 | Scurz | valdyn: do you know a soft that could discover vulnerabilities in php code ? because it's so long if I do it myselft |
| 19:00.05 | Scurz | -t |
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| 19:01.15 | subanomic1 | hi there |
| 19:02.35 | subanomic1 | I got a question. I am running an apache on Debian. In the local network, everything works fine. However, I cannot access the web server over the internet. I did tell my Firewall to forward that Port |
| 19:02.47 | subanomic1 | do I need to configure that Debian/Apache accepts connections from the internet? |
| 19:05.25 | jmarsden | subanomic1: Possibly. Is your apache server definitely listening on the external (eth0) interface on port 80 ? |
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| 19:05.53 | subanomic1 | well, is it by default? How do I find out? |
| 19:06.29 | jmarsden | netstat -ntlp | grep :80 will show if anything is listening on port 80 |
| 19:07.05 | subanomic1 | tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN 3814/apache2 |
| 19:08.03 | jmarsden | OK, so that looks fine. From the Debian machine, can you get out to the Internet OK (so your default route etc are all set correctly)? |
| 19:08.38 | subanomic1 | well, I think so, at least I can ping google.com |
| 19:08.42 | buckfast | i'm running windows through qemu, how do i get networking there? I followed a tutorial but tun0 isnt showing up so i could use some help |
| 19:09.36 | jmarsden | subanomic1: OK, then the likely problem is in the firewall router configuration somewhere... want to reveal its public IP so I can try to get to your apache server from here? |
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| 19:11.32 | jmarsden | OK, that's not open on port 80... but is pingable. |
| 19:12.20 | subanomic1 | well, the ping could be answered by the router |
| 19:12.22 | jmarsden | subanomic1: I'd recheck the router port forwarding configuration again. You want TCP port 80 forwarded to port 80 on the LAn IP address of the Debian machine |
| 19:12.34 | jmarsden | subanomic1: Yes, it will be the router replying to the ping. |
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| 19:14.08 | subanomic1 | mhm, the port forwarding looks just fine |
| 19:14.38 | abrotman | can your server get out ? |
| 19:14.45 | subanomic1 | perhaps I should reboot the router... gonna have a look at the manual |
| 19:14.50 | jmarsden | Strange. Do you have any other services forwarded? SSH maybe, on port 22? |
| 19:14.54 | jmarsden | abrotman: <subanomic1> well, I think so, at least I can ping google.com |
| 19:15.17 | abrotman | wasn't sure which machine that was referencing |
| 19:15.23 | subanomic1 | I did try to forward SSH as well, it doesnt work |
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| 19:16.41 | jmarsden | subanomic1: What does ip route | grep default # output (should be one line) |
| 19:16.49 | abrotman | really sounds like a router issue |
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| 19:17.08 | subanomic1 | default via 192.168.2.1 dev eth0 |
| 19:17.11 | subanomic1 | with 192.168.2.1 being my router |
| 19:17.12 | jmarsden | It does seem like a router problem of some sort. |
| 19:17.22 | subanomic1 | yes, that's what I thought as well |
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| 19:17.41 | jmarsden | subanomic1: OK, then that's fine. It's you're router or the way you configured it, pretty much for sure. |
| 19:17.54 | jmarsden | s/you're/your/ |
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| 19:18.24 | subanomic1 | I'm gonna do a router reboot now, perhaps that'll work |
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| 19:21.01 | limaunion | hi, quick question, can I perform an offline upgrade from Debian 5.0.1 to Debian 5.0.3 using 'debian-update-5.0.3-i386-DVD-1.iso' ? or do I have to first upgrade to Debian 5.0.2 ? |
| 19:22.11 | jmarsden | limaunion: You can do direct, but the only differences between 5.0.1 and 5.0.3 are minor package upgrades, you can just do that using aptitude rather than download an entire DVD :) |
| 19:22.12 | Justin | i would avoid downloading an entire CD to upgrade a few hundred megs of packages at most |
| 19:22.29 | Justin | er, dvd |
| 19:23.42 | limaunion | my mom's house doesn't have Internet access :) that's the reason why I need to perform the upgrade in that way |
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| 19:24.10 | subanomic | still doesnt work |
| 19:24.21 | subanomic | wtf |
| 19:24.31 | subanomic | the port forwarding rules disappeared with the reboot |
| 19:24.32 | Arrowmaster | try using a different external port |
| 19:24.50 | Arrowmaster | is there an apply or save button on the page you forgot to click? |
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| 19:25.26 | jmarsden | limaunion: Unless you have a really fast Internet connection, it might be faster to temporarily move the PC to a place with Internet than to download a DVD, burn it, and take than to the PC. |
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| 19:25.40 | KB1JWQ | !google |
| 19:25.41 | dpkg | methinks google is a search engine owned by Google Inc. whose mission statement is to "organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful." The largest search engine on the web, Google receives over 200 million queries each day through its various services. Its website can be found at http://www.google.com/ Ask me about <gmail>, <googleearth>, <chromium>. |
| 19:25.54 | nsx | can't you just add the cd/dvd as a source and use apt/aptitude to upgrade that way? |
| 19:26.01 | subanomic | Arrowmaster: No, I even did a relogin into the interface and it was still there, but after the reboot it was gone |
| 19:26.04 | AimHere | It's probably easier to find an online vendor who'll ship you a full set of Debian DVDs for a small price |
| 19:26.26 | limaunion | thanks for your answers |
| 19:26.34 | subanomic | well, I'm going to ask in the official support forum for my router |
| 19:26.37 | subanomic | thank you anyways |
| 19:27.03 | nsx | I think what you want to do is add deb file://path/to/repo in your sources.list |
| 19:27.09 | nsx | then try doing an upgrade through apt |
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| 19:30.24 | abrotman | apt-cdrom |
| 19:31.56 | nsx | ah yeah, that's right |
| 19:32.02 | nsx | I've never actually used that method myself |
| 19:32.44 | nsx | I've never been that concerned with staying up-to-date on machines that aren't connected to the net anyway |
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| 19:36.02 | zig_ | Is there a way to force xrdp to provide only specific resolutions to clients? |
| 19:36.25 | zig_ | It seems that if one RDP's in with 800x600 as the resolution, and later connects in but resolution is 1024x768, it doesn't resume the desktop |
| 19:36.28 | zig_ | It creates a new one |
| 19:36.48 | zig_ | I was wondering if it were possible to force a resolution in the config somewhere, such that this doesn't happen |
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| 19:38.16 | abrotman | zig_: it happens on windows too |
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| 19:38.46 | abrotman | oh .. misread .. |
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| 19:40.10 | nsx | I know on windows that if you connect at a lower resolution, all the desktop icons get rearranged even when you go back to the higher resolution |
| 19:40.13 | nsx | that's always annoying.. |
| 19:40.49 | zig_ | yeah, but this is actually creating a new desktop |
| 19:41.06 | zig_ | Which is kind of a problem. Also, there are protocol errors for some users when they connect using a windows 7 RDP client |
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| 19:41.21 | zig_ | So is there some sort of opensource client? Or perhaps one could just VNC in |
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| 19:42.44 | abrotman | are you connecting to a windows box? |
| 19:42.58 | zig_ | No, I'm running XRDP in Debian. |
| 19:43.04 | zig_ | I'm connecting to it from Windows machines. |
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| 20:17.16 | reto` | hey... I wonder why on ubuntu everyone is using and spreading apt-get when (after some experience with aptitude) is not really the killer? |
| 20:17.33 | reto` | *it is |
| 20:18.10 | reto` | I'm so trained on apt-get... I have to force myself to aptitude though :) |
| 20:18.49 | AimHere | The curses interface that comes with aptitude was aversion therapy for me |
| 20:19.33 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 20:19.33 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 20:19.39 | abrotman | AimHere: you don't have to use it |
| 20:19.39 | Hoxzer | both aptitude and apt-get don't support simultenous installation/download when dealing with multiple packages. |
| 20:19.46 | reto` | oh I've not used it much but it has some nice vi keybindings |
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| 20:21.40 | AimHere | I know, abrotman. I'm just offering an explanation as to why people might be using apt-get rather than aptitude |
| 20:21.44 | reto` | why is apt-get there at all if aptitude is so much better? |
| 20:21.45 | jkelly | can one of you get the bot to tell me about madwifi, please? |
| 20:21.55 | dondelelcaro | jkelly: /msg dpkg madwifi |
| 20:22.23 | abrotman | reto`: apt-get was around first |
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| 20:22.38 | AimHere | Also doesn't the installer depend on apt-get |
| 20:22.47 | jkelly | danke |
| 20:22.51 | Arrowmaster | i love the curses interface, although the custom formatting strings could use some work, you cant really make good changes that will work on all screen widths like the default does |
| 20:22.58 | rage7 | apt-get install aptitude |
| 20:23.33 | AimHere | Also apt-get has super-cow powers. aptitude is merely housebroken and non-fattening. |
| 20:23.34 | Arrowmaster | AimHere: the squeeze installer uses aptitude |
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| 20:27.00 | shivraj | what should I do to upgrade to squeeze ? |
| 20:27.04 | shivraj | safe-upgrade ? |
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| 20:27.13 | shivraj | why does it have 3 upgrades ? |
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| 20:28.03 | reto` | it's more interesting? ;) |
| 20:28.24 | abrotman | AimHere: aptitude -vvvvv moo |
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| 20:28.32 | stew | shivraj: the recommended way of upgrading is typically to do something like: change your sources to squeeze, "aptitude install aptitude ; aptitude safe-upgrade ; aptitude full-upgrade" |
| 20:28.53 | abrotman | with an aptitude update after changing sources |
| 20:29.10 | stew | right |
| 20:29.17 | stew | i think of that as part of the changing source process! :) |
| 20:29.44 | shivraj | stew: hehe |
| 20:29.48 | mo3alleq | hi all. how can I run vnc server on the same display number I am running currently? |
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| 20:31.05 | Aquarina | hi, splashy messed up my keyboard layout |
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| 20:31.32 | Aquarina | is there a way to configure the keyboard after having installed splashy? |
| 20:31.46 | superlinux | hi all. how can I run vnc server on the same display number I am running currently? |
| 20:31.51 | reto` | is apt-get upgrade the same as aptitude safe-upgrade? |
| 20:32.15 | stew | reto`: similar, but safe-upgrade is willing to install previously uninstalled packages |
| 20:32.35 | stew | well, i don't know if myabe apt-get upgrade has changed in that respect |
| 20:32.41 | richardha | Get windows keys for 5eur only http://bit.ly/5Tgz2X :) |
| 20:33.06 | stew | no, apt-get upgrade won't install new packages (at least according to the manpage) |
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| 20:33.23 | xylox | i got a problem, java applets gives error on iceweasel, using squeeze and sunjava6plugin, any hints appreciated |
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| 20:35.15 | abrotman | xylox: update-java-alternatives ... make sure you're using the sun one |
| 20:35.20 | shivraj | do you really need full-upgrade ? |
| 20:35.48 | shivraj | well with base install .. it doesnt update jack, hmmm ok |
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| 20:36.51 | xylox | thanks abrotman, i'll check that |
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| 20:38.55 | Aquarina | hard to believe: noone using splashy? |
| 20:39.29 | abrotman | i do, but didn't mess up the keyboard |
| 20:39.51 | Aquarina | what keyboard do you use? |
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| 20:40.17 | abrotman | us |
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| 20:40.43 | Aquarina | well... it's kind of a default one, I think |
| 20:40.48 | Aquarina | mine is pt |
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| 20:41.14 | Aquarina | so... I think it just fallback to us |
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| 20:42.23 | omg_onoez | pc104 |
| 20:42.23 | abrotman | erm wait .. i think i'm using usplash on this machine |
| 20:42.28 | abrotman | yes, i am |
| 20:43.15 | magesing | Hi everyone, I'm trying to use make-kpkg to build and install the most resent stable kernel from kernel.org. 2.6.32.2, my problem is that when I start my new kernel, I get a kernel panic, it can't seem to mount my filesystems. All my partitions are ext2 or ext3, they are software RAID on SATA drives. my kernel .config : http://pastebin.com/f63bbb757 , lspci output: http://pastebin.com/f33f3e48e . Can anyone spot the kernel option that |
| 20:43.51 | metalfan_ | magesing, whats wrong with the default debian kernel? |
| 20:43.55 | abrotman | what's wrong with the kernel debian provides? |
| 20:44.14 | metalfan_ | abrotman, that was my idea! |
| 20:44.15 | Aquarina | abrotman, what is the advantage of usplash over splashy? |
| 20:44.21 | magesing | metalfan_: 1) doesn't support my sound card, 2) is built with the wrong gcc to get VMware working |
| 20:44.36 | abrotman | Aquarina: in my case, splashy didn't work, and i didn't feel like debugging it |
| 20:44.50 | Aquarina | :-) |
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| 20:44.56 | Psi-Jack | Bleh. |
| 20:45.02 | metalfan_ | magesing, iirc debian builds all modules......so your soundcard is either not supported by linux or something else is wrong |
| 20:45.05 | Psi-Jack | I hate splashy and usplash both. |
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| 20:45.25 | Psi-Jack | It's cool for a desktop workstation, but unnecessary for anything. heh |
| 20:45.27 | abrotman | magesing: which sound card is it ? lspci -nn |
| 20:45.32 | omg_onoez | agreed |
| 20:45.33 | magesing | metalfan_: my soundcard is not supported in 2.6.28, it is in 2.6.32 |
| 20:45.39 | metalfan_ | i see |
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| 20:45.48 | Aquarina | hehe |
| 20:45.55 | abrotman | Psi-Jack: this machine that has it is a netbook |
| 20:46.12 | Aquarina | ok, I know it's unnecessary, but would be a nice thing to look at |
| 20:46.15 | Psi-Jack | abrotman: Ahh, well, netbook's it's okay too, I guess. ;) |
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| 20:46.27 | Psi-Jack | I'm getting at the first of next month, a 12.1" MSI Wind. ;) |
| 20:46.30 | omg_onoez | splash screens are not cool, not even just a little :D |
| 20:46.34 | metalfan_ | magesing, well...its a lot of work to get the right kernel, get it to boot and so on. i would suggest that you take the config from the latest debian kernel and apply it to the newer one. with the addition of your soundcard |
| 20:46.52 | magesing | lspci -nn output: http://pastebin.com/f6bd67714 |
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| 20:47.19 | magesing | metalfan_: I'm used to building kernels, I have been using gentoo for the last three years |
| 20:47.27 | omg_onoez | i own eee pc 901 and did antenna mod just a few days ago http://nop.gw01.ru/trash/mod/ =) |
| 20:47.47 | magesing | switched to debian because I was sick of building everything from scratch and 64bit debian finally caught uup |
| 20:47.49 | metalfan_ | magesing, used gentoo too for some time, ubuntu is a less painfull |
| 20:48.12 | magesing | metalfan_: which is why I am talking here and not in #gentoo ;) |
| 20:48.14 | abrotman | magesing: so which device is this ? |
| 20:48.24 | metalfan_ | ..is a lot less... |
| 20:49.27 | magesing | abrotman: Intel Corporation Ibex Peak High Definition Audio [8086:3b56] |
| 20:49.42 | abrotman | judd: pciid 8086:3b56 |
| 20:49.44 | judd | abrotman: [8086:3b56] is '5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio' from 'Intel Corporation' with no known kernel module in lenny but has kernel module 'snd-hda-intel' in sid. See also http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.rhtmlx?check=1&lspci=8086:3b56 |
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| 20:49.57 | abrotman | magesing: and which version of debian are you trying to use ? |
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| 20:50.09 | shivraj | wow debian install has never been so long, reminds me of slower internet connection |
| 20:50.49 | magesing | abrotman: whatever got installed from the netinst cd two days ago... I still don't know what "sid" "etch" "lenny" etc. refer to |
| 20:51.06 | metalfan_ | they are like version numbers |
| 20:51.07 | reto` | metalfan_: if you want the newest stuff and don't like to compile you can take arch linux |
| 20:51.12 | abrotman | magesing: what does uname -a currently say ? |
| 20:51.13 | JyZyXEL | does lenny come with DENTAL PLAN |
| 20:51.22 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: keep it on topic |
| 20:51.25 | Aquarina | ok, how would one just setup a keyboard layout normaly?= |
| 20:51.37 | abrotman | !tell Aquarina about keymap |
| 20:51.44 | metalfan_ | reto`, tried that for a year or so after gentoo. but in the end i was certain that the latest is not always the best |
| 20:51.46 | JyZyXEL | abrotman: no !command for that? |
| 20:51.51 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: keep it on topic |
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| 20:52.21 | magesing | abrotman: Linux cruncher 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Nov 5 02:23:12 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 20:52.34 | reto` | metalfan_: yes, true... it depends on the situation |
| 20:52.35 | abrotman | magesing: and you're sure the device is not supported in a .30 kernle ? |
| 20:53.05 | magesing | abrotman: I tried the backports kernel, it allowed the soundcard to play mono sound only, and didn't let it record |
| 20:53.08 | metalfan_ | reto`, but archlinux was a nice experience |
| 20:53.19 | metalfan_ | reto`, just found an older archlinux on my harddrive at home...still works |
| 20:53.39 | abrotman | magesing: and did you try the .32 in unstable ? |
| 20:54.07 | metalfan_ | magesing, in this case you are "******"....still happens that linux does not support the latest hardware |
| 20:54.10 | magesing | abrotman: in any case, I need to build my kernel (or get a kernel built with my version of gcc) to get VMware working |
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| 20:54.24 | abrotman | magesing: then start with the working config .. and use that on your sources |
| 20:54.34 | abrotman | (though you don't need to build a kernel to get VMware working on lenny) |
| 20:54.52 | magesing | abrotman: where can I find debian's config for a 2.6.3* kernel? |
| 20:54.56 | pb_laptop | magesing, for vmware, no custom kernel is needed, and you can have multiple gcc versions and use the one needed |
| 20:55.14 | abrotman | magesing: the current config is in /boot/ for a debian kernel |
| 20:55.24 | magesing | abrotman: if I have it installed... |
| 20:55.26 | pb_laptop | config is in /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 20:55.36 | abrotman | magesing: start with the woking .26 config |
| 20:55.40 | shivraj | hopefully when I get my SSD ... the reinstall will be faster |
| 20:56.12 | omg_onoez | shivraj, what ssd u ordered? |
| 20:56.35 | jelly-hme | judd: kernels |
| 20:56.36 | judd | jelly-hme: Available kernel versions are: sid: 2.6.32-trunk-686 (2.6.32-2); squeeze: 2.6.30-2-686 (2.6.30-8squeeze1); lenny-backports: 2.6.30-bpo.2-686 (2.6.30-8~bpo50+2); lenny: 2.6.26-2-686 (2.6.26-19lenny2); etchnhalf: 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 (2.6.24-6~etchnhalf.9etch1); etch: 2.6.18-6-686 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-26etch1) |
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| 20:57.08 | magesing | abrotman: ok, I actually had the 2.6.30bpo config in my /boot... starting from that, wish me luck |
| 20:57.21 | abrotman | make oldconfig might help ? |
| 20:57.22 | Aquarina | abrotman, dpkg-reconfigure ends with an error... |
| 20:57.47 | abrotman | Aquarina: which is ? |
| 20:58.08 | Aquarina | failed to load keymap |
| 20:58.14 | Aquarina | before that: |
| 20:58.54 | reto` | Aquarina: what keyboard do you have? |
| 20:59.04 | Aquarina | something about unicode form /etc/console/boottime being out of scope |
| 20:59.09 | Aquarina | pt |
| 20:59.31 | pb_laptop | Aquarina, try dpkg-reconfigure -plow console-data |
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| 20:59.51 | Aquarina | unicode keysym out of range |
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| 21:00.04 | Aquarina | w8 |
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| 21:00.12 | magesing | I notice that all of the filesystems in the default debian kernel are built as modules... interesting |
| 21:00.26 | Aquarina | select from arch list? |
| 21:00.58 | Aquarina | ?!!!! |
| 21:01.18 | Aquarina | it seems to be ok, now |
| 21:01.22 | Aquarina | what happened? |
| 21:02.05 | Aquarina | i did the dpkg-reconfigure thing in x now |
| 21:02.14 | Aquarina | did it on the console before |
| 21:03.35 | pb_laptop | in xorg, the config file is everything... and you can use setxkbmap (e.g. setxkbmap es) |
| 21:03.58 | pb_laptop | in tty's you can use loadkeys |
| 21:04.02 | abrotman | actually .. you normally don't need a config file now |
| 21:04.23 | pb_laptop | right, unless auto-detection fails |
| 21:04.26 | magesing | abrotman: even if you want to use nvidia drivers? |
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| 21:04.37 | oh-hey | Merry Christmas pb_laptop!!! |
| 21:05.07 | abrotman | magesing: who would want to do that ? |
| 21:05.22 | pb_laptop | Merry christmas oh-hey |
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| 21:05.45 | Aquarina | damn! just what I fiered |
| 21:05.54 | Aquarina | "feared"?! |
| 21:06.15 | Aquarina | the system froze after witching to terminal console |
| 21:06.32 | Aquarina | and after reboot, keyboard is messed up again |
| 21:06.35 | Aquarina | :-( |
| 21:06.47 | magesing | abrotman: anyone who wanted hardware accelerated graphics |
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| 21:07.02 | abrotman | magesing: i have them on this netbook, and i'm not using nvidia |
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| 21:07.23 | magesing | abrotman: hardware accelerated graphics usually arn't a priority on a netbook |
| 21:07.31 | abrotman | magesing: still have them ... |
| 21:07.37 | magesing | abrotman: but if you where building a CAD workstation you might have a different priority |
| 21:08.00 | magesing | abrotman: does your netbook use a NVIDIA card? |
| 21:08.06 | reto` | magesing: with the new kernels I seldom need a xorg.conf, even acceleration works when the right xorg drivers aree loaded |
| 21:08.09 | abrotman | magesing: no, i said that |
| 21:08.19 | pb_laptop | magesing, if you're building it, maybe you can choose a "radeon driver based" card, or other supported hardware |
| 21:08.20 | magesing | abrotman: sorry, I'm only skimming the chat |
| 21:08.54 | magesing | pb_laptop: made the mistake of buying the NVIDIA card a while ago... cheaper to re-use the card then buy a new radeon for the open-sourced drivers |
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| 21:10.17 | Aquarina | !tell Aquarina about keyboard |
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| 21:11.24 | pb_laptop | magesing, I've nvidia in a imac, and the binary blob installed after all :) and lot of shit like flash, codecs, etc |
| 21:12.14 | magesing | pb_laptop: I'm waiting for the glorious day when the open-source flash implementations catch up to adobe |
| 21:12.25 | magesing | pb_laptop: or at least get good-enough to be usable |
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| 21:12.59 | pb_laptop | I haven't try free implementations, but I've read that they work well on most sites |
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| 21:13.35 | magesing | pb_laptop: it's been several months since I played with them... but in my experience, they don't really work well |
| 21:14.14 | pb_laptop | maybe html5 ends with the streaming kingdom of flash |
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| 21:15.20 | magesing | pb_laptop: I'd actually be happier if web developers canned flash and just made nice-looking text-based sites |
| 21:15.43 | magesing | pb_laptop: but I think I'm in a small minority there |
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| 21:16.23 | pb_laptop | I'd actually be happier if debian.org could be redesigned or updated, and somebody changes the font to something like sans |
| 21:18.00 | Cellkill | .. |
| 21:18.08 | Aquarina | dpkg, !tell Aquarina about <multimedia keys> |
| 21:18.09 | dpkg | Aquarina: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:18.16 | Aquarina | dpkg, !tell Aquarina about multimedia keys |
| 21:18.16 | dpkg | Aquarina: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
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| 21:18.32 | pb_laptop | magesing, do you want to lol about webdevelpers ? |
| 21:18.33 | Cellkill | I wish fonts could be included in html and/or attached like css without dirty javascript/php hacks |
| 21:18.44 | Aquarina | dpkg, !help |
| 21:18.44 | pb_laptop | magesing, see that js: http://www.onlae.es/js/comprobar_2009.js xD |
| 21:18.45 | dpkg | Aquarina: i haven't a clue |
| 21:18.51 | Aquarina | :-/ |
| 21:19.24 | Cellkill | !tell Aquarina media keys |
| 21:19.51 | datenritter | hmm, i have tried to set the two options mentioned in http://en.opensuse.org/Suspend_to_RAM#Background and also tried debian's 2.6.26 kernel instead of the one i built. still my notebook is dead after resuming from s2r. could it be a bug in s2ram? |
| 21:20.14 | magesing | pb_laptop: my god, what is that mess supposed to do? |
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| 21:20.41 | Aquarina | Cellkill, nothing happened |
| 21:20.50 | pb_laptop | magesing, I think it's a simple hash of key => value, but implemented over if's |
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| 21:21.01 | Aquarina | dpkg, !tell Aquarina about media keys |
| 21:21.01 | dpkg | no idea, Aquarina |
| 21:21.23 | Aquarina | dpkg, !tell Aquarina about multimedia |
| 21:21.23 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, Aquarina |
| 21:21.27 | Aquarina | dpkg, !tell Aquarina about multimedia keys |
| 21:21.27 | dpkg | Aquarina: bugger all, i dunno |
| 21:21.39 | Aquarina | grrrr |
| 21:22.18 | pb_laptop | magesing, the ugly thing is that it's a site made with "public" money (taxes) |
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| 21:23.11 | Aquarina | ok, i tryed dpkg-reconfigure console data |
| 21:23.22 | Aquarina | it didn't work on the console |
| 21:23.43 | Aquarina | it worker after in X, but changing to console froze the system |
| 21:24.05 | Aquarina | and after reboot everything whent back to (bad) normal |
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| 21:24.29 | Aquarina | how do I change keyboard layout and keep it saved? |
| 21:25.03 | made_of_storm | Aquarina oi :) |
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| 21:25.37 | Aquarina | oi |
| 21:26.48 | pb_laptop | Aquarina, in tty, you need to have properly dpkg-reconfigured console-data and locales, in Xorg you can use xorg.conf |
| 21:26.58 | pb_laptop | Aquarina, do you use some exotic hardware? debian always worked fine with my keyboards (pc, thinkpad, imac, macbook, etc) |
| 21:28.04 | Aquarina | not exoteric, just a normal pt-latin1 keyboard |
| 21:28.09 | pb_laptop | If a clean installation, choosing keyboard and locale doesn't work for you, please file a bug with all the info |
| 21:28.27 | pb_laptop | It should just work |
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| 21:28.42 | Aquarina | when I installed the system, everything seemed to be ok |
| 21:29.09 | pb_laptop | which locale do you use ? |
| 21:29.11 | Aquarina | the keyb only became behaving srtrange after installing splashy |
| 21:29.42 | Aquarina | pt_PT-UTF8, with LC_MESSAGES=en_US |
| 21:29.49 | pb_laptop | strange over tty? over X? |
| 21:29.55 | Aquarina | over tty |
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| 21:30.16 | Aquarina | on X it's ok |
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| 21:31.30 | pb_laptop | mmm the only thing of splashy that maybe related, maybe the initrd generation |
| 21:31.38 | Aquarina | wait better than that: it seems to be ok on tty2!... |
| 21:31.42 | Aquarina | omg! |
| 21:32.23 | Aquarina | i'll be right back!... |
| 21:32.28 | Aquarina | tks |
| 21:32.38 | pb_laptop | strange is symbols doesn't work or you don't see locale chars? |
| 21:32.46 | pb_laptop | maybe the console font |
| 21:32.56 | pb_laptop | defined in /etc/console-tools/config |
| 21:33.10 | Aquarina | pb_laptop, hum... coud be the font, you're right! |
| 21:33.33 | pb_laptop | SCREEN_FONT=lat0-sun16 should work |
| 21:34.09 | pb_laptop | I use SCREEN_FONT=Uni3-Terminus16 (apt-get install console-terminus) |
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| 21:35.17 | Aquarina | well... it seems to be working now |
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| 21:35.26 | Aquarina | I don't know what happened! |
| 21:35.29 | Aquarina | :-/ |
| 21:35.38 | pb_laptop | after edit config, /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh restart is needed |
| 21:35.39 | Aquarina | I hate when this happens |
| 21:36.00 | Aquarina | I like to understand what is going on... |
| 21:36.13 | Aquarina | well, I have to go now |
| 21:36.22 | Aquarina | beback in a while |
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| 21:36.24 | Aquarina | thanks |
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| 21:57.30 | babilen | hi, what needs to be done to dual boot Ubuntu (grub2) and Debian stable? |
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| 22:00.21 | fanti | hello! is there a way to tell apt-get NOT to overwrite my custom compiled xorg-server package while running an apt-get upgrade ? |
| 22:00.39 | babilen | chroot to Ubuntu and !fixmbr? |
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| 22:02.03 | abrotman | babilen: you have to choose which system you want to manage the bootloader |
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| 22:02.55 | babilen | yes, sure ... I guess the easiest solution would be to have Ubuntu manage the bootloader, or is grub-pc in bpo? |
| 22:03.00 | babilen | checks |
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| 22:03.08 | pb_laptop | fanti, aptitude hold package_name ? |
| 22:03.13 | jelly-hme | judd: versions os-prober |
| 22:03.14 | judd | jelly-hme: os-prober -- etch: 1.17 lenny: 1.28 sid: 1.35 squeeze: 1.35 |
| 22:03.16 | babilen | btw, no judd in #debian@OFTC |
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| 22:03.29 | babilen | judd: versions grub-pc |
| 22:03.29 | judd | babilen: grub-pc -- lenny: 1.96+20080724-16 lenny-backports: 1.97~beta3-1~bpo50+1 squeeze: 1.98~20091210-1 sid: 1.98~20091222-1 experimental: 1.98~experimental.20091216-1 |
| 22:03.33 | fanti | pb_laptop: i'll try that. thx |
| 22:03.43 | pb_laptop | fanti, read about apt pinning and /etc/apt/preferences to understand wath it does |
| 22:03.53 | pb_laptop | what |
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| 22:08.11 | MrTorque | someone around who wants me to help installing SOGo? |
| 22:08.23 | MrTorque | i am stuck with ldap |
| 22:08.55 | babilen | any ideas about Hash Sum mismatch on security and bpo? anything to do to prevent that? |
| 22:09.32 | babilen | I assume that the problem is cached filed somewhere (ISP, local, whatever) and therefore outdated md5sums ... |
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| 22:15.16 | Blackhold | hello |
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| 22:16.00 | Blackhold | anyone knows wich is the option in dhcp3 to autoconfigure proxy? I've been test various but anyone works to me :( |
| 22:16.26 | grawity | Does anyone happen to use Postfix and Dovecot imapd here? I think I borked up the permissions of /var/mail, /var/mail/grawity, ~/mail, and just about everything else. |
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| 22:18.12 | babilen | Here is a paste of the 'Hash Sum mismatch' problem: http://pastebin.ca/1727031 - any idea? Could moving /var/lib/apt/lists/* away help? |
| 22:18.51 | babilen | same problem for security and i guess packages from ftp.us.debian.org as well (have not yet tried) |
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| 22:20.04 | MrTorque | i installed lam (ldap account manager), but i can not log in. some ideas how i can log in? |
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| 22:21.49 | cesurasean | I upgraded to squeeze, finding about 3-5 errors during install, so I will try and tackle these one at a time. First one is netatalk. - nbp_rgstr: Address already in use |
| 22:22.11 | cesurasean | Netatalk refuses to start, even when uninstalling and reinstalling it, etc... |
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| 22:24.00 | gigo | which directory contains Arial.ttf fonts? |
| 22:24.29 | fanti | hello! ubuntu ask while installation if the user's home directories should be encrypted or not. is there some equal feature for debian? |
| 22:25.07 | abrotman | !ig |
| 22:25.07 | dondelelcaro | fanti: yes |
| 22:25.07 | dpkg | The Debian Installation Guide for Lenny (5.0.3) can be found at http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/installmanual and for Etch (4.0r8) at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/installmanual . See also <errata> and <installer firmware>. |
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| 22:28.09 | babilen | is there something wrong with the mirrors (security in particular) or what could cause 'malformed Release file?' on 'aptitude update' ? |
| 22:28.24 | abrotman | a bad sync perhaps |
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| 22:28.41 | MrTorque | gigo: i do not think it is on your pc. if you want to search for it, do updatedb and then locate arial.ttf |
| 22:29.05 | abrotman | !tell gigo about apt-file |
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| 22:29.11 | babilen | ok, to summarise: Hash Sum Mismatch on security and bpo and malformed Release file on security ... any ideas, or should I just tell him to wait it out? |
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| 22:30.12 | mjt | babilen: here it all works ok |
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| 22:31.10 | babilen | mjt: for me too ... I wonder what could be done about it. I suspected cached files for the Hash Sum Mismatches ... |
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| 22:31.17 | mordy_ | hey, in ia32-libs it installs /usr/lib32/libpulse.so which is a symlink to libpulse.so.0.4.1 which doesn't exist, rather there's 0.8.0. i'm using squeeze, is this a bug or am i missing something? |
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| 22:32.42 | mordy_ | apt-file shows nothing for the link target either |
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| 22:38.08 | shivraj | how can I recover grub ? |
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| 22:38.20 | shivraj | I tried live cd but grub is not one of the commands |
| 22:38.22 | shivraj | help |
| 22:39.54 | Wulf_ | grub-install? |
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| 22:40.55 | badzo | hello |
| 22:40.55 | tekk_ | hey guys, apart from ubuntu, is there a debian os / variant that will run in "live" mode on a powermac g5? |
| 22:41.01 | tekk_ | merry xmas btw |
| 22:41.02 | tekk_ | \:D |
| 22:41.39 | badzo | i am sorry to interrupt you guys, but after an upgrade to testing version my debian stopped automatically mounting ntfs partition ( it mounts only as read only) |
| 22:41.56 | badzo | and i have ntfs-3g installed |
| 22:42.09 | badzo | what should I do? |
| 22:43.22 | macrobat | badzo: i don't know, but have a look in /etc/fstab |
| 22:43.51 | badzo | macrobat: i dont think it is connected with fstab |
| 22:43.56 | shivraj | Wulf_: how do I use that ? |
| 22:44.01 | shivraj | its different than grub |
| 22:45.21 | Kamping_Kaiser | tekk_: try debian...? |
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| 22:45.53 | Wulf_ | shivraj: I think it's just: grub-install /dev/sda |
| 22:45.57 | tekk_ | does debian have a live mode now ? |
| 22:46.10 | Wulf_ | shivraj: but I'm definitely not an expert with grub. |
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| 22:47.42 | abrotman | tekk_: yes, /msg dpkg livecd |
| 22:47.51 | tekk_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:47.52 | tekk_ | shit |
| 22:48.22 | reto` | badzo: I'm not sure if this works on debian too... let me see.. it was creating a symlink... something like mount.ntfs and pointing that to ntfs-3g |
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| 22:49.22 | shivraj | Wulf_: I can use the debian install cd |
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| 22:51.32 | reto` | badzo: you can force HAL (and all your other programs) to use the ntfs-3g driver |
| 22:51.32 | reto` | instead of the standard ntfs driver. As root create a symbolic link from mount.ntfs to mount.ntfs-3g: |
| 22:51.35 | reto` | # ln -s /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g /sbin/mount.ntfs |
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| 22:52.22 | reto` | this is actually taken from arch linux so you would have to see if it works on debian |
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| 22:55.50 | magesing | Hi everyone, I currenly have gcc 4.3.2 installed, but my kernel was built with gcc 4.1.3. . . VMware wants to build some kernel modules to install properly, and to do so it needs gcc 4.1.3 installed. How do I install multiple versions of gcc? |
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| 23:01.48 | imachine | hey guys, sup |
| 23:01.55 | imachine | I have a question about dbconfig, |
| 23:02.06 | imachine | basically, I am using a remote server. |
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| 23:02.41 | imachine | my www machine, on which I install www software that requires db configuration, (in this case, drupal), has two ips |
| 23:02.45 | imachine | one local and one out. |
| 23:02.59 | imachine | it's hostname is the out, say domain.tld |
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| 23:03.43 | imachine | when I setup drupal, dbconfig creates a user automatically, if I choose dbconfig to set it all up(and I'dlike that, so that I don't have to create tables manually during upgrades and now, initially) |
| 23:04.09 | imachine | it gives the user perms to login to mysql from the out hostname interface ip |
| 23:04.19 | imachine | but it connects to the mysql server with its local ip |
| 23:04.21 | johndorf | or do I have to do a lot of things manually to get my d250 to work well? |
| 23:04.26 | imachine | so my database doesn't get created |
| 23:04.31 | imachine | any ideas? |
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| 23:06.56 | imachine | I'd like to tell dbconfig which hostname to use for later. |
| 23:06.58 | imachine | is taht possible? |
| 23:07.15 | imachine | the mysql server won't let the user login because it's logging in from the local ip |
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| 23:13.41 | rektide | i'm trying to compile wine, its telling me gcc -m32 isnt working |
| 23:14.25 | rektide | how can i cross compile ia32 programs on an amd64 architecture? i have a lot of other cross target gcc options, but nothing for ia32 |
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| 23:16.33 | l0rd_hex | is there a specific debian ARM channel? |
| 23:17.17 | macrobat | #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
| 23:17.22 | l0rd_hex | I tried to join #debian-arm but I got kicked like a sack of meatballs down a flight of stairs into a burrito factory that hasn't filed it's taxes for 3 years |
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| 23:19.02 | macrobat | i dont know, then :) |
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| 23:21.33 | Red_Cloud | Merry Christmas! I would like to know if there is a software that can be used in my Linux desktop to access another partition on my machne |
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| 23:21.54 | Aim_Here | Errr, you mean like 'ls'? |
| 23:22.42 | Aim_Here | What do you mean by 'access another partition', exactly? |
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| 23:25.19 | shivraj | Red_Cloud: mount ? |
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| 23:26.57 | macrobat | Red_Cloud: some file managers even lets you mount partitions |
| 23:27.12 | macrobat | i think krusader does that |
| 23:27.33 | Aim_Here | Maybe the installer already automounted his partition, he just didn't notice it. |
| 23:28.28 | macrobat | you want ntfs-3g to mount windows ntfs |
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| 23:28.52 | LinuxGuy2009 | My Brother MFC-7840W all in one printer has the ability to scan to file. Scans and puts a file in "/home/user/brscan" works fine but only scans at 72dpix72dpi. Is there a system setting for something like this in debian? There is a little CLI tool that Brother provides that listens for this function and there doesnt seem to be any user options when starting that tool at bootup to set a resolution for scan to file. Any ideas? |
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| 23:32.23 | shivraj | macrobat: ntfs-3g to write to windows, you dont need it to read |
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| 23:34.27 | LinuxGuy2009 | NM Brother has great Linux drivers and docs. nice |
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| 23:36.17 | pandrew | hello! i have two large binary files. the end of the first, and the beginning of the second file is the same. Is there a ready made tool i could use to stich these together? |
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| 23:40.11 | reto` | pandrew: hmm... you want to combine the files? |
| 23:40.41 | bzed | pandrew: and do you just want to stitch them together - or do they have overlapping parts? |
| 23:41.42 | pandrew | bzed: they have overlapping parts |
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| 23:43.23 | ctmjr | pandrew: ghex iirc can do that it has been a very long time since i played with it |
| 23:43.33 | pandrew | like the first file is made of AB, and the second is made of BC. I want an output of ABC, let's say where B is at least 10 kilos |
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| 23:43.59 | pandrew | ctmjr: the files are big, like 1-2 gigabytes |
| 23:44.25 | bzed | pandrew: if you know the exact size of the overlapping part, you could use dd for example, and just skip the beginning of the new file |
| 23:45.03 | pandrew | bzed: the problem is i have no idea about the size of an overlapping part |
| 23:46.13 | bzed | I'd probably write some lines of C code and abuse my memory to store of files in mem and do the magic and write the merged file to disk... |
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| 23:46.38 | bzed | but I could be imagine that there is a tool to do such things |
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| 23:52.20 | pandrew | maybe a tool to find a binary file in another one? |
| 23:52.42 | pandrew | is there such a tool? |
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| 23:59.15 | acu | Audio - a mess - I run squeeze and the sound works very random - I have a usb headphone with mic and it is imposible to switch to internal audio - I tried to fiure it out but no way - ALSA - PULSEAUDIO - and many other - a total mess - where should I start - I need clean - and working solution |