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| 00:00.13 | acu | thanks that was the right answer :) |
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| 00:00.36 | acu | I am going to try it right now |
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| 00:09.33 | multi_io | what logfile does the output of /etc/init.d startscripts end up in? |
| 00:09.46 | multi_io | none? |
| 00:10.35 | oh-hey | the log pertaining to whatever daemon youre referring to |
| 00:11.39 | multi_io | I mean stdout outputs from the scripts themselvesm, e.g. echo commands |
| 00:13.26 | multi_io | can I even find out which scripts were run, in which order and with what exit status, during bootup? |
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| 00:14.55 | Arrowmaster | the stdout of those scripts goes to the console |
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| 00:16.33 | multi_io | yeahm and nowhere else? |
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| 00:17.21 | Arrowmaster | dont think so |
| 00:19.42 | pb_laptop | multi_io, man bootlogd |
| 00:21.01 | pb_laptop | by default "output" is the /dev/console _file_ for your unix like system |
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| 00:21.20 | pb_laptop | and there is already a daemon for catch that messages |
| 00:22.30 | Farhadix | Hi guys, I need a sid source.list |
| 00:22.49 | pb_laptop | multi_io, just edit /etc/default/bootlogd, reboot and see /var/log/boot |
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| 00:23.27 | pb_laptop | Farhadix, if you are using debian mirrors, just change lenny or whatever to sid |
| 00:23.46 | pb_laptop | [Esc]:%s/lenny/sid/gc in vi |
| 00:23.47 | simonrvn | Farhadix: you need to stick with stable. |
| 00:24.03 | multi_io | pb_laptop: thanks |
| 00:24.14 | Farhadix | I need a fresh file, |
| 00:24.40 | pb_laptop | Farhadix, why ? maybe you need to read apt-howto first |
| 00:24.49 | simonrvn | mutters something about not even getting the file name right and cluebies ... |
| 00:24.49 | pb_laptop | IRC is not a sources.list generator |
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| 00:26.21 | Farhadix | some people here always uploaded their source.list and it ready for others like me, I don't tell you Generate one for me |
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| 00:27.42 | pb_laptop | Farhadix, a sid user, should know that "thing" |
| 00:27.54 | pb_laptop | you should stick in stable as said |
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| 00:28.19 | phogg | heh |
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| 00:30.21 | pb_laptop | give a man a fish... |
| 00:30.23 | Rajasun | Farhadix: Read up on apt-howto as advised and check out www.apt-get.org, mentors.debian.net, ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
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| 00:31.29 | pb_laptop | Rajasun, good tip, but he is not here... |
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| 00:31.57 | Rajasun | pb_laptop: heh...some folks just want to spoonfed eh? ;) |
| 00:32.16 | magesing | Hi everyone, I have some accounting software which I need to install, except it is WinXP only, and does not work with WINE... I would like to install XP as a guest OS with hardware virtualization... I know that there are several ways to do this, what is the easiest way under Debian? VMware VirtualBox Xen? |
| 00:32.16 | pb_laptop | they aren't "free" :) |
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| 00:33.40 | iceroot | magesing: xen is the hardest, virtual box is the easiest |
| 00:33.45 | pb_laptop | magesing, define "easiest", last 2 options are packaged in .deb |
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| 00:34.23 | iceroot | pb_laptop: but its not enough to install a deb for xen on one machine |
| 00:34.53 | pb_laptop | eh |
| 00:34.53 | tensorpudding | xen is a hypervisor arrangement, much different than the other two |
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| 00:36.10 | ai9371 | does debian support WMP54GS |
| 00:36.23 | Arrowmaster | magesing: just go with virtualbox |
| 00:36.30 | tensorpudding | xen runs on bare-metal, and doesn't need to emulate hardware so much |
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| 00:36.51 | pb_laptop | Arrowmaster, which cpu has that device ? |
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| 00:37.15 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 00:37.17 | pb_laptop | oh, is a pci device, sorry, i was thinking in linksys routers |
| 00:37.19 | magesing | Arrowmaster: and virtualbox does hardware virtualization.. sold |
| 00:37.48 | tensorpudding | virtualbox can do most things that vmware can do, but not all |
| 00:37.56 | magesing | How do I know which debian I am using, lenny, etch, squeeze? the names mean nothing to me |
| 00:37.57 | iceroot | paravirtualization (if that is the correct english word) |
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| 00:38.10 | iceroot | magesing: lsb_release -a |
| 00:38.28 | magesing | ok, lenny, thanks |
| 00:38.44 | iceroot | etch 4.0 lenny 5.0 squeeze 6.0 |
| 00:38.48 | Arrowmaster | magesing: you probably dont need the features in the non OSE version so just install the virtualbox package from the debian mirrors |
| 00:38.58 | pb_laptop | Arrowmaster, well, lspci should tell you the chipset, and dmesg the driver |
| 00:39.21 | Arrowmaster | pb_laptop: youre talking to the wrong person |
| 00:39.36 | pb_laptop | sorry |
| 00:39.47 | pb_laptop | ai9371, well, lspci should tell you the chipset, and dmesg the driver |
| 00:40.03 | magesing | Arrowmaster: sure thing, as long as it uses the hardware virtualization capabilities of my new intel i7 processor, I'm happy |
| 00:40.46 | iceroot | is there a date for feature freeze on squeeze? |
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| 00:40.55 | tensorpudding | i7 has new virtualization capabilities? |
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| 00:41.18 | pb_laptop | iceroot, i think i remember it was march 2010... don't trust me |
| 00:41.29 | magesing | tensorpudding: I'm not sure if the virtualization capabilities are new in that processor, but they are new to me |
| 00:41.35 | tensorpudding | !wwsf |
| 00:41.40 | iceroot | hm, i heard release should be jan 2010 but that was some time ago |
| 00:41.42 | tensorpudding | err |
| 00:41.45 | magesing | tensorpudding: I think some of the Core 2 processors have them, but my old AMD didn't |
| 00:42.02 | tensorpudding | there were new extensions that they rolled out in 2006 or so |
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| 00:42.15 | tensorpudding | vanderpool/pacifica depending on your platform |
| 00:42.26 | iceroot | so atm squeeze == sid until feature freeze? |
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| 00:43.43 | pb_laptop | iceroot, no |
| 00:44.13 | pb_laptop | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 00:44.36 | pb_laptop | there are like 2 or 3 weeks of difference |
| 00:44.46 | pb_laptop | or more |
| 00:45.15 | iceroot | that is much for unstable/testing |
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| 00:45.40 | tensorpudding | magesing: actually, amd-v and intel vt-x were the names of the respective virtualization extensions |
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| 00:45.54 | tensorpudding | magesing: the i7 definitely supports it |
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| 00:46.55 | tensorpudding | magesing: but i'm fairly sure that paravirtualization solutions like vmware and virtualbox work without them, just with a large performance penalty |
| 00:47.05 | pb_laptop | iceroot, what do you need? If you're going to make debian development -> sid, if you are simply a power user -> testing is fine |
| 00:47.32 | iceroot | i am a user which likes security on my servers |
| 00:47.43 | pb_laptop | never use that for a server |
| 00:47.44 | iceroot | so etch or lenny are welcome |
| 00:47.44 | magesing | tensorpudding: yes, it was too slow with paravirtualization, I need to know that virtualbox will use the hardware virtualization |
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| 00:47.59 | pb_laptop | iceroot, a well, stable is fine for a server |
| 00:48.09 | Tux^verdreifelt | pb_laptop: on a server i would prefer openbsd anyway ^^ |
| 00:48.24 | pb_laptop | Tux^verdreifelt, that sucks and i know what i talk |
| 00:48.33 | pb_laptop | apache 1.3? hardware support ? |
| 00:48.41 | iceroot | pb_laptop: i would never use something different then debian stable for a server (also no ubuntu which i prefer on desktop, but its not based on debian stable so so way on my servers ) |
| 00:48.47 | Tux^verdreifelt | it is stable and secure :) |
| 00:48.51 | pb_laptop | sucks |
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| 00:49.07 | Tux^verdreifelt | iceroot: ubuntu? *shiver* |
| 00:49.10 | pb_laptop | iceroot, as you was asking about testing/sid.... :) |
| 00:49.26 | iceroot | Tux^verdreifelt: its debian with usability :) |
| 00:49.46 | pb_laptop | Tux^verdreifelt, I've used openbsd years, at home and at work. It simply sucks |
| 00:49.53 | iceroot | pb_laptop: was just interested in the release-cycle and the difference betwen unstable and testing |
| 00:50.10 | Tux^verdreifelt | iceroot: no it is debian with bugs :p |
| 00:50.24 | pb_laptop | the only reasonable target is firewalls on embeded devices, nothing more |
| 00:50.30 | iceroot | Tux^verdreifelt: with bugs and usability :) |
| 00:50.39 | tensorpudding | magesing: according to the website, virtualbox has vt-x support |
| 00:50.45 | pb_laptop | also firewalls without lot of free tools for firewalls that you have in linux |
| 00:51.09 | tensorpudding | so it will be able to take advantage of the hardware virtualization extensions on your chip |
| 00:51.23 | Tux^verdreifelt | iceroot: i'd prefer less bugs and less usability then |
| 00:51.24 | magesing | tensorpudding: yup, I just got that same info from wikipedia... it's soo much easier then xen and VMware |
| 00:51.35 | pb_laptop | Tux^verdreifelt, and the openbsd community is simply too hard for a real "job" project |
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| 00:52.05 | tensorpudding | magesing: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VBox_vs_Others |
| 00:52.20 | iceroot | Tux^verdreifelt: :) the good thing is, everyone prefering another way and there are many many ways to do it |
| 00:52.37 | tensorpudding | magesing: VMWare is easy to use but it's large and closed-source, whereas Virtualbox is relatively painless |
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| 00:53.40 | tensorpudding | magesing: http://wiki.debian.org/VirtualBox#Lenny |
| 00:54.06 | pb_laptop | magesing, what is the soft do you need over winXP ? |
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| 00:55.51 | tensorpudding | magesing: as a warning, the OSE doesn't have all the features the full version of VirtualBox has, it lacks RDP and USB support |
| 00:56.41 | magesing | tensorpudding: good enough for me, the accouting package doesn't need remote desktop or USB |
| 00:56.56 | magesing | pb_laptop: SimplyAccounting pro |
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| 00:58.42 | magesing | the virtual XP box is also a security blanket for those of my users who arn't yet convinced that they can live in a linux world yet |
| 00:59.12 | magesing | (including our accountant) |
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| 01:08.20 | Farhadix | Hi, I can't open security.debian.org and packages.debian.org in lenny (Time out error), but in Windows (VirtualBox) they opened, what is wrong? I have installed bind. |
| 01:09.52 | Aim_Here | Can you ping those sites? |
| 01:10.01 | Farhadix | ... |
| 01:10.11 | pb_laptop | Farhadix, try other nameservers than 127.0.0.1 in /etc/resolv.conf, if that works, then your bind is not working well |
| 01:10.21 | magesing | tensorpudding: soo close, winXP install went flawlessly, but the Virtual XP box doesn't seem to recognize my CD drive... Do you know how to get virtual box to mount CDs offhand? |
| 01:10.50 | pb_laptop | magesing, try to make and use an iso image ? |
| 01:12.00 | magesing | pb_laptop: ok... I suppose I can rip an iso image of the CD... but how do I feed that to my virtual box? |
| 01:13.12 | pb_laptop | magesing, I don't know, but I think you need to edit the VM and add a cdrom device and thn choose betwen recognized hardware, iso files, etc... |
| 01:13.37 | pb_laptop | I don't use virtualbox sorry |
| 01:14.22 | magesing | lol, ok I feel sillyy, there are menus on the top of my virtual box |
| 01:14.28 | magesing | one of which is devices... |
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| 01:15.04 | Farhadix | security.debian.org opened!! but packages not yet. I can't ping IPs in range 32.1.x.x , ip of packages.debian.org and ftp.uni-kl.de |
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| 01:17.18 | Farhadix | in resolv.conf nameservers set 192.168.1.1 (my adsl modem), pb_laptop |
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| 01:17.38 | pb_laptop | mmm so bind is not related |
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| 01:18.27 | pb_laptop | Farhadix, do you have any routing rule for that subnet? repos are working ok |
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| 01:19.26 | Farhadix | no, pb_laptop |
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| 01:20.26 | Farhadix | now I can't ping 32.1.6.56 , 32.1.4.24 , 32.1.8.216 |
| 01:20.35 | pb_laptop | then i don't see why you can't ping... netfilter/iptables ? |
| 01:20.49 | pb_laptop | anyway packages.debian.org is (87.106.64.223) for me |
| 01:21.48 | pb_laptop | and security.d.org is 195.20.242.89 (for me) |
| 01:22.00 | Farhadix | ok , thanks |
| 01:22.32 | pb_laptop | maybe i'm spoofed |
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| 01:42.39 | bododo | hi guys! :) |
| 01:42.50 | bododo | I used to run xfce some months ago (probably a year) and now I'm using ratpoison, there's a tiny something I miss though: the gtk theme I had in xfce. How can I set it for gtk apps in ratpoison (by editing a dotfile)? |
| 01:43.27 | pb_laptop | gtk-theme-switch ? |
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| 01:44.09 | endri | hi, i have a webcam that skype does not automatically recognise. I dont know if this is a skype bug or some kind of driver bug. i have to load skype with "LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l2convert.so skype" |
| 01:44.11 | bododo | I don't have this pb_laptop - actually I don't have gnome |
| 01:44.39 | pb_laptop | bododo, it doesn't depend on gnome (aptitude show gtk-theme-switch) |
| 01:44.56 | pb_laptop | bododo, anywat it just create a .gtkrc file or something like with one line |
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| 01:45.34 | bododo | ah! thanks! I'll try this pb_laptop :) |
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| 01:45.59 | pb_laptop | endri, it maybe about video for linux standards... maybe that your driver/cam is v4l and skype is v4l2 |
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| 01:47.17 | CodeNinja | :o working graphics tablet in linux in 10 minutes, |
| 01:48.12 | bododo | pb_laptop: very likely my Internet connexion (it's) but I can't install it with aptitude or apt-get |
| 01:48.26 | bododo | can you please show me a sample .gtkrc file? |
| 01:48.46 | endri | pb_laptop, i dont get it: is it a bug of the system or a bug of skype? |
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| 01:50.55 | bododo | well, it's just installed now, but i can't find it. runing gtk-theme-switch says "command not found" |
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| 01:51.33 | endri | because if it is a bug of the system i should report it |
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| 01:52.32 | pb_laptop | bododo, http://live.gnome.org/GnomeArt/Tutorials/GtkThemes#The_gtkrc_File |
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| 01:52.58 | pb_laptop | endri, no bugs... v4l is a different protocol than v4l2 |
| 01:53.28 | pb_laptop | endri, and i'm not sure about skype... i don't now if it supports v4l devices or v4l2 only |
| 01:55.50 | bododo | thanks again, pb_laptop :) |
| 01:55.50 | apt | gern geschehen, bododo |
| 01:56.13 | bododo | aber ich sprache mit pb_laptop ! :) |
| 01:56.24 | pb_laptop | bododo, for gtk2 apps, just echo 'include "/usr/share/themes/YOURTHEME/gtk-2.0/gtkrc"' >> $HOME/.gtkrc |
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| 01:56.34 | bododo | why is this bot talking german? :) |
| 01:56.43 | pb_laptop | i dont know :) |
| 01:56.55 | bododo | pb_laptop: Aha! will do this right now! :) |
| 01:57.34 | bododo | apt: bist du eins bot? |
| 01:57.47 | bododo | I mean sorry, if you're actually a human being |
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| 01:59.24 | pb_laptop | bododo, I think it's just another perl infobot |
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| 01:59.54 | bododo | ah! fine! I was worried that I somewhat "insulted" him by calling him a "bot" |
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| 02:00.02 | pb_laptop | eheh |
| 02:00.40 | pb_laptop | what I don't understand is why he is replying in german |
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| 02:01.20 | bododo | yeah, why? and why he said "bododo..." I didn't talk to him... |
| 02:01.38 | bododo | and actually am not meant to understand german |
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| 02:02.00 | bododo | how is it aware that I actually do? (my 5th language) |
| 02:02.04 | faheem | dpkg: alsa |
| 02:02.04 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, a project providing device drivers for sound cards. To install, ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <alsa firmware>, <alsa versions>, <alsaconf>, <asoundconf>. http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA http://www.alsa-project.org/ #alsa on irc.freenode.net. |
| 02:02.11 | faheem | dpkg: alsa-checklist |
| 02:02.11 | dpkg | 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 2) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 3) arts or esound stopped? 4) OSS modules unloaded? 5) speakers on? 6) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 7) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. See also <list alsa users>. |
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| 02:03.44 | pb_laptop | bododo, maybe it has some adivination perl module :D |
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| 02:04.52 | pb_laptop | s/divination guessing prediction |
| 02:04.53 | bododo | pb_laptop: that'd be a prolog module, not a perl one! :D |
| 02:04.59 | pb_laptop | ehehe |
| 02:05.48 | bododo | :p |
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| 02:07.59 | bododo | thanks again pb_laptop :) have a great night/day! |
| 02:07.59 | apt | bododo: de nada |
| 02:08.11 | pb_laptop | lol, now in spanish |
| 02:08.22 | bododo | apt: ma por che! |
| 02:08.23 | bododo | :D |
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| 02:08.30 | bododo | he's after me!! |
| 02:08.54 | bododo | let's try french apt : peux-tu me parler français? |
| 02:09.14 | bododo | what about arabic? hal tatakalamou al arabia? |
| 02:09.28 | bododo | turkish? nasilsin sevgili apt ? |
| 02:09.45 | bododo | nihongo? hanashimasu ka? |
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| 02:10.27 | bododo | italiano? perche non? |
| 02:10.47 | bododo | :D oi, bot apt anata ha ima koko ni desu ka? |
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| 02:11.35 | bododo | pb_laptop: he lost, do you confirm this? ;) |
| 02:12.04 | pb_laptop | yes, I can confirm this |
| 02:12.11 | bododo | :p |
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| 02:13.53 | bododo | have fun everyone! :) goodnight/day! |
| 02:13.54 | bododo | bye |
| 02:14.01 | pb_laptop | bye |
| 02:14.05 | bododo | :) |
| 02:14.46 | pb_laptop | anyway plug in REST::Google::Translate to a perl bot, and you get 46 langs |
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| 02:20.34 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3AsltefATE |
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| 02:22.13 | pb_laptop | would like to learn blender and 3D concepts in 2 minuttes |
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| 02:27.34 | markinfo | how can I find where is program "di" ? dpkg-query -S di ..delivers to much Solutions |
| 02:27.50 | pb_laptop | whereis di |
| 02:27.54 | pb_laptop | which di |
| 02:27.57 | pb_laptop | type di |
| 02:28.21 | pb_laptop | type is interesting if you use to make bash aliases |
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| 02:29.08 | markinfo | pb_laptop, but what the package it belongs? |
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| 02:29.30 | pb_laptop | oh, sorry, I missunderstood your question |
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| 02:29.57 | pb_laptop | I always use dpkg -S |
| 02:29.58 | markinfo | it takes substring for a search - how to seach exact string? |
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| 02:30.03 | FabParma | Please, how can I know what debian version I am using? |
| 02:30.04 | pb_laptop | try the full path to di |
| 02:30.15 | stew | FabParma: try "lsb_release -a" |
| 02:30.32 | FabParma | stew: thanks |
| 02:30.58 | pb_laptop | FabParma, also /etc/debian_version and your sources.list are good places to look |
| 02:31.51 | FabParma | pb_laptop: thanks |
| 02:32.15 | pb_laptop | markinfo, dpkg-query -S bash returns lots of results... -S /bin/bash returns one result |
| 02:32.45 | markinfo | pb_laptop, eys - i tested it just nw. |
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| 02:49.39 | Kamping_Kaiser | can we get an exeption to the @gateway/web/freenode/ ban for people who are identified? |
| 02:50.36 | stew | Kamping_Kaiser: do you want to PM me with whatever the problem is? |
| 02:50.45 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew: ok. |
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| 02:54.47 | Kamping_Kaiser | dgeary2: :) |
| 02:54.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | stew: thanks |
| 02:54.59 | dgeary2 | stew: thanks |
| 02:55.14 | stew | you're welcome :) |
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| 02:55.49 | FabParma | have you tried opera web browser on lenny? |
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| 02:57.25 | FabParma | i downloaded it, but im not too sure to install |
| 02:57.31 | FabParma | any experience? |
| 02:57.44 | dgeary2 | Kamping_Kaiser: stew: is there any way to have a blanket ban on the gateway except for authenticated nicks? |
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| 02:59.12 | stew | dgeary2: not afaik |
| 02:59.31 | dgeary2 | stew: would re-enabling the ban kick me? |
| 02:59.44 | stew | dgeary2: and I don't there was any reason for us to have the blanket ban in the fist place |
| 02:59.53 | tensorpudding | FabParma: what did you download exactly? |
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| 03:00.09 | stew | I think it was due to some of us ops having older scripts that don't take gateways into account |
| 03:00.13 | FabParma | just curiosity |
| 03:00.21 | dgeary2 | stew: Kamping_Kaiser mentioned troll suppression |
| 03:00.25 | stew | dgeary2: it wouldn't ban kick you, it would silence you though |
| 03:01.04 | stew | dgeary2: it was probably added in attempts to block a single gateway user, but mistakenly blocked the gateway |
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| 03:02.10 | dgeary2 | stew: i understand that it would be almost impossible to block an unauthenticated gateway user without blocking the entire gateway |
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| 03:02.59 | stew | dgeary2: no, its quite easy, since your ip address is in your ident |
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| 03:09.31 | dgeary2 | where does one get the debian etch 4.0r1 netinstall kernel 2.6.18-5 and corresponding initrd from? |
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| 03:10.51 | abrotman | why/j #debian |
| 03:10.59 | abrotman | why woudl you want something that old ? |
| 03:11.35 | dgeary2 | abrotman: local mirror |
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| 03:14.11 | dgeary2 | abrotman: i install debian on old imacs to give to people (of my choosing) so that they have a usable computer |
| 03:14.36 | abrotman | but why not use updated media ? |
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| 03:15.46 | dgeary2 | abrotman: i have a local mirror of debian etch 4.0r1 with updates to 4.0r8 (27 CDs in total) |
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| 03:16.14 | tensorpudding | is having a local mirror really that much better than using one of the internet mirrors? |
| 03:16.53 | dgeary2 | abrotman: tensorpudding: when the goal is to get a usable system on limited bandwidth, i think so |
| 03:17.06 | abrotman | !approx |
| 03:17.06 | tensorpudding | true |
| 03:17.11 | abrotman | !apt-proxy |
| 03:17.11 | dpkg | somebody said apt-proxy was a cool proxy for lots of Debian machines on a network together. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/237, or see also <apt-cacher>, or look at the approx package, or ask me about <apt-cacher-ng> |
| 03:17.24 | tensorpudding | maybe you could consider migrating your mirror to lenny though |
| 03:18.20 | dgeary2 | tensorpudding: on the bandwidth that i have, that would take about a year, however, i am continuing to look for a way... |
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| 03:18.34 | tensorpudding | you could send away for the 20-some disk set |
| 03:19.07 | dgeary2 | tensorpudding: ah, i haven't thought about that... i will consider it |
| 03:20.06 | abrotman | or DVDs |
| 03:20.17 | pb_laptop | the imac users experience will be better over lenny |
| 03:20.27 | dgeary2 | abrotman: DVDs are unsuitable as the machines only have CD drives |
| 03:20.35 | abrotman | garbage! |
| 03:20.54 | zinx | apt-proxy for sure |
| 03:21.01 | abrotman | prefers approx |
| 03:21.13 | zinx | well, any sort of caching apt proxy ;P |
| 03:21.17 | dgeary2 | zinx: abrotman: i will look into apt-proxy and approx as well |
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| 03:23.42 | setuid | I have a puzzle: My hosting provider continues to "root" my server without my approval or authorization, snarfing off my logs and possibly other data (not sure). Is it possible to create a minimal booting system, that _requires_ me to log in and then mount /var, /etc/ and other critical data locations using dm-crypt, interactively? |
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| 03:24.21 | setuid | IOW, I want to be able to reboot the machine, have it come up and load a very minimal Debian install, and then allow me to log in remotely and mount the other encrypted data partitions, interactively. |
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| 03:25.02 | zinx | setuid: it is possible to do that, but you have no guarantee they aren't still rooting it |
| 03:25.25 | zinx | setuid: also, it's going to involve implementing it yourself, most likely |
| 03:25.32 | zinx | setuid: or using uml or such |
| 03:28.24 | pb_laptop | setuid, sing an SLA or change the provider |
| 03:28.36 | pb_laptop | also backups use to be "readable" |
| 03:29.41 | zinx | yeah, bottom line is, they have access to the hardware - that's pretty much game over |
| 03:29.56 | pb_laptop | also you will need /etc before you can login local or remote |
| 03:29.58 | zinx | you can make it annoying enough that they might not try, but you can't prevent it |
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| 03:30.58 | setuid | If I encrypt the partitions, even with access to the hardware, they don't have shite. |
| 03:31.18 | setuid | But if I require a password to encrypt /var and other partitions, it might block a clean boot. |
| 03:31.40 | pb_laptop | sure |
| 03:31.54 | Bastihase_ | c |
| 03:32.18 | pb_laptop | setuid, how do you think that the provider is accesing ? |
| 03:33.28 | abrotman | magic |
| 03:33.50 | setuid | Right now, partitions are in the clear, and they reboot the machine and root it |
| 03:34.02 | pb_laptop | how do you "see" he is rooting your server? tty logins in last -x ? |
| 03:34.05 | setuid | If /var was encrypted, they can reboot it, but they won't be able to mount it without the right dm-crypt password |
| 03:34.21 | abrotman | would find a new provider |
| 03:34.50 | setuid | I "see" it because they ask me for the root password, I say no, then suddenly the machine is rebooted while I'm logged into it, and is inaccessible for about 15 minutes, then comes back up, and the logs for the time I was logged in, are "missing" |
| 03:34.59 | setuid | abrotman, I'm trying to move it all back to hosting it mysel,f |
| 03:35.12 | setuid | I was rsync'ing the data over when they pulled the rug on me 3 times in the last hour |
| 03:35.22 | pb_laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.29 | setuid | They've used the "failing power supply is being replaced" excuse 3 times already in the last 2 months |
| 03:35.39 | setuid | dmidecode shows that they're not replacing any hardware |
| 03:35.48 | pb_laptop | you can update-rc.d -f apache2 remove, and then crypt /var/www... ssh should just work |
| 03:35.56 | setuid | pb_laptop, /var/log, /var/www, /home and /etc. |
| 03:36.08 | pb_laptop | the /etc bit is pretty hard |
| 03:36.11 | setuid | Right |
| 03:36.18 | abrotman | setuid: FWIW .. i don't know that the PSU shows up there other than the type, no serial, etc |
| 03:36.22 | setuid | I'm thinking maybe run the whole thing inside a vmware image, encrypted |
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| 03:37.25 | pb_laptop | anyway cryptt is a I/O killer for a server |
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| 03:38.58 | setuid | As is running a vm inside a physical machine |
| 03:39.41 | pb_laptop | also... do you have backup purchased to your server? because then crypt is unuseful |
| 03:40.02 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:40.05 | stew | err |
| 03:40.18 | pb_laptop | and a server without backup... uh... |
| 03:41.18 | abrotman | oh secret channel! |
| 03:41.21 | stew | no |
| 03:41.24 | abrotman | i was kidding |
| 03:41.25 | stew | we made that one public |
| 03:41.32 | stew | it was until about a month ago |
| 03:41.40 | abrotman | two months ? |
| 03:41.43 | stew | now we have a new secret channel |
| 03:41.44 | stew | maybe |
| 03:41.49 | abrotman | is it february ? |
| 03:41.55 | stew | feels like it |
| 03:42.04 | abrotman | yay first xmas in NYC! :) |
| 03:42.08 | stew | ywy! |
| 03:42.10 | stew | yay! |
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| 03:42.25 | abrotman | a new secret channel?! |
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| 03:42.51 | stew | yes, now that our secret channel isn't secret we need a secret channel to bitch about bad maintainers |
| 03:42.52 | abrotman | looks for Ganneff in #debian-offtopic |
| 03:42.55 | stew | like me |
| 03:42.59 | stew | yeah |
| 03:43.01 | abrotman | looks at ivman |
| 03:43.04 | stew | good luck with that |
| 03:43.11 | stew | i don't maintain that |
| 03:43.17 | stew | which is why i orphaned that |
| 03:43.18 | abrotman | dpkg: maint ivman lenny |
| 03:43.21 | abrotman | runs away |
| 03:43.34 | stew | i just ditched some more packages too |
| 03:43.37 | abrotman | hugs his Spotted Cow |
| 03:43.48 | dpkg | ivman: Mike O'Connor <stew@vireo.org> |
| 03:43.50 | abrotman | stew: don't you kind of get a free pass for being an ftp-master ? |
| 03:44.00 | stew | hugs his christmas barleywine he brewed 1.5 years ago for this very day! |
| 03:44.07 | stew | abrotman: i do! |
| 03:44.10 | stew | abrotman: (for what?) |
| 03:44.17 | abrotman | stew: and free trips to foreign lands! |
| 03:44.24 | abrotman | (maybe not free .. but still trips) |
| 03:44.33 | stew | yeah, i need to submit some receitps for that |
| 03:44.47 | stew | it'll be free once i get around to submitting something to someone |
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| 03:44.57 | stew | it would have been free if they ever let us "off the compound" |
| 03:45.13 | abrotman | ftp-master meeting at gitmo ? |
| 03:45.19 | stew | but we, instead, worked like 18 hour days wih no breaks |
| 03:45.43 | abrotman | i saw the white board pictures |
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| 03:46.07 | stew | there were beers all around, sitting in cooled boxes, wanting to be drunk. All I would have had to do was to put some check marks somewhere. but I was asked not to, since I might not get as much done |
| 03:46.36 | abrotman | damn managers! |
| 03:46.45 | abrotman | goes to #debian-ftpmaster-managers |
| 03:47.00 | stew | best of luck! |
| 03:47.15 | abrotman | yay, i'm the op! |
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| 03:47.51 | stew | he hates that i'm even on this network, much less that I'm on op here, much less that I'm staff here |
| 03:48.05 | abrotman | i assume 'he' means Joerg |
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| 03:48.16 | abrotman | as opposed to 'she' where i'd guess mrs stew :) |
| 03:48.16 | stew | some proverbial he |
| 03:48.24 | stew | hah |
| 03:48.29 | iluminator101_ | no sound after i installed new kernel any suggestions |
| 03:48.40 | abrotman | iluminator101_: which old/new kernel? |
| 03:48.42 | setuid | pb_laptop, Yes, I back up hourly to my server here at the home office... however, I WAS backing that up to a Drobo, but Drobo is _dangerous_ to put your data on, as I've found out. |
| 03:48.47 | setuid | Their "RAID" isn't really redundant. |
| 03:48.52 | stew | iluminator101_: do you know which module you were using before the upgrade? |
| 03:49.07 | iluminator101_ | 2.6.30-2-686 |
| 03:49.11 | setuid | I upgraded the firmware, and it completely trashed the disk pack... their answer: format and restore the data to the Drobo from your backups. |
| 03:49.18 | abrotman | iluminator101_: before or after ? |
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| 03:49.26 | iluminator101_ | after i upgraded |
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| 03:49.38 | abrotman | and before? |
| 03:49.45 | iluminator101_ | before i had sound |
| 03:49.47 | abrotman | thinks this is the longest 'before' question ever ... |
| 03:49.55 | abrotman | iluminator101_: which KERNEL before ? |
| 03:50.03 | iluminator101_ | 2.6.30 |
| 03:50.29 | abrotman | so you went from 2.6.30 to 2.6.30 and it broke ? |
| 03:50.29 | stew | iluminator101_: do you know which module you were using before the upgrade? |
| 03:50.38 | setuid | before the before? or after the before? |
| 03:50.38 | setuid | ;) |
| 03:50.48 | stew | before the after |
| 03:50.59 | iluminator101_ | stew what do u mean which module |
| 03:51.00 | stew | that I'm sure of |
| 03:51.07 | stew | iluminator101_: which alsa module |
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| 03:52.13 | simonrvn | stew: what are you doing here? |
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| 03:52.27 | abrotman | lurking! |
| 03:53.22 | stew | simonrvn: i'm crouching beside your backdoor leeching off your wireless before I spring inside and suprise you and drink all your beer |
| 03:53.56 | simonrvn | stew: a) no wifi b) no beer c) *bzzt* ;p |
| 03:54.02 | stew | leaves |
| 03:54.26 | stew | (disappointed, it was a long trip to canuckistan) |
| 03:54.40 | simonrvn | haha |
| 03:54.42 | iluminator101_ | stew how do i find which alsa module |
| 03:55.19 | stew | iluminator101_: what (if anything) does "cat /proc/asound/modules" return? |
| 03:55.53 | iluminator101_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:56.08 | stew | iluminator101_: does "alsamixer" work? |
| 03:56.23 | stew | iluminator101_: is the volume both up and umnuted for both 'master' and 'pcm'? |
| 03:57.11 | iluminator101_ | ah k |
| 03:57.20 | iluminator101_ | i should got that myself i am drunk |
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| 03:58.15 | abrotman | looks like he stole simonrvn's beer |
| 03:58.33 | setuid | abrotman, This is a classic... they say they've replaced the PSU, and brought the server back up, and asked that I log in and verify everything is fine. I can't even ssh to the server, because it's not responding. |
| 03:58.38 | simonrvn | we don't drink beer, so none to steal. |
| 03:58.43 | smacnay | is there an app in deb that will tile pictures on one page and make them fit - say 10 pics? |
| 03:58.43 | setuid | So they asked me for the root password, so they can investigate why. HAhHHAahHAHA. |
| 03:58.54 | abrotman | smacnay: one page of what ? |
| 03:58.57 | simonrvn | oh yeh right. as if. |
| 03:59.00 | smacnay | abrotman, just photos |
| 03:59.08 | abrotman | smacnay: web page ? what? |
| 03:59.11 | smacnay | letter size page or legal |
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| 03:59.30 | setuid | newspaper page? A4? letter? |
| 03:59.33 | smacnay | abrotman, no, just something I could take to the printer and have printed off. |
| 03:59.55 | smacnay | I guess something like scribus could do that |
| 03:59.56 | abrotman | nothing i know of that is magic |
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| 04:00.26 | setuid | You could put them in a webpage and print the page from the browser |
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| 04:00.42 | setuid | Easy to scale the images that way, convert(1) can do that, if you know your browser's width and can scale it by %'ages |
| 04:00.50 | abrotman | igal can do that for web pages |
| 04:01.46 | setuid | can't believe he pays $137/month for such inept service from a hosting provider |
| 04:02.37 | simonrvn | that why i do mine. cheaper and i can only blame myself for shoddy work, if any. |
| 04:02.39 | iluminator101_ | thanks |
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| 04:02.55 | abrotman | that's why we call him "Shoddy Simon" |
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| 04:03.05 | HTT-Bird | quickie: what's the default root password in the Debian mysql packages? |
| 04:03.14 | iluminator101_ | Merry Christmas Everyone |
| 04:03.17 | setuid | simonrvn, I installed, configured and hardened the OS... the only thing I don't control is ping, power and racking. |
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| 04:03.29 | HTT-Bird | indeed, Merry Christmas |
| 04:03.52 | Bastihase_ | |||||- The idea is to die young as late as possible. -||||| |
| 04:05.15 | smacnay | abrotman, setuid, thanks for the suggestions - igal and llgal could do it, I guess. btw, Merry Christmas |
| 04:05.21 | Bastihase_ | Usenet is like Tetris for those who still can read. |
| 04:06.10 | setuid | Santa skipped me again this year... that's 7 years in a row :( |
| 04:06.11 | abrotman | Bastihase_: do you have a Debian related question ? |
| 04:06.31 | Bastihase_ | mmh.. |
| 04:06.33 | HTT-Bird | setuid, Santa gave me a DOA on my RE3. so I have to RMA it. :( |
| 04:06.56 | HTT-Bird | bloody UPS, they're just a bunch of gorillas in brown shirts |
| 04:06.57 | HTT-Bird | </rant> |
| 04:07.13 | stew | they are the brown santas! |
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| 04:07.23 | Bastihase_ | i need more udev space |
| 04:07.33 | HTT-Bird | now, what's the default root password for the mysql packages in Debian? |
| 04:07.37 | stew | Bastihase_: what makes you think you are low on udev space? |
| 04:07.45 | Bastihase_ | on other partitions is space free |
| 04:08.01 | abrotman | !tell HTT-Bird about forgot mysql root password |
| 04:08.04 | yummycheese | default root mysql password is blank |
| 04:08.17 | HTT-Bird | yummycheese, tried that no dice :( |
| 04:08.19 | HTT-Bird | abrotman, ty :) |
| 04:08.20 | stew | yummycheese: on debian? |
| 04:08.21 | yummycheese | just say mysql -u root -p |
| 04:08.26 | setuid | abrotman, Get this... they said they swapped the PSU and the chassis, and the NIC also... and they need root, to reconfigure the NIC. |
| 04:08.31 | stew | yummycheese: if its blank ou don't want -p |
| 04:08.35 | conconga | isn´t the passw ****** ? |
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| 04:08.52 | HTT-Bird | yummycheese, tried with and without -p, neither works |
| 04:08.55 | abrotman | setuid: well, if it's running Debian, and udev is goofed |
| 04:09.04 | HTT-Bird | setuid, what about a NIC needs configuration? :O |
| 04:09.12 | stew | HTT-Bird: /msg dpkg i forgot mysql root password |
| 04:09.12 | HTT-Bird | last NIC I put in on Debian worked without any |
| 04:09.20 | HTT-Bird | stew, abrotman hooked me up :) |
| 04:09.28 | setuid | Exactly my point... if they changed the NIC, the interface and IP would still bind fine. |
| 04:09.39 | abrotman | setuid: not with udev ... /msg dpkg 70 |
| 04:09.39 | setuid | I think they're bluffing, once again trying to get my root password. |
| 04:10.13 | LinuxGuy2009 | Does anyone remember where the documentation for gstreamer pipeline options are? I cant remember I know I saw it a long time ago and I was ripping to mp3 using the lame encoder. You know like the pipelines that sound-juicer and other apps use. I just need to see the pipeline options available for the different encode formats. |
| 04:10.33 | HTT-Bird | Merry Christmas abrotman and co. :) |
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| 04:11.18 | shivraj | how can I get involved with Debian |
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| 04:12.07 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/intro/help |
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| 04:13.07 | kongove | hello, all |
| 04:13.08 | setuid | I'm telling them to put the old NIC back in, and give me the networking details they need me to apply. |
| 04:13.14 | setuid | I think we're going to be at a standoff here. |
| 04:13.40 | setuid | They won't give me access to the server without me handing over my root password, because they decided to use this PSU downtime to upgrade a NIC without telling me. |
| 04:14.06 | setuid | I absolutely will not hand over my root password under any circumstances, to this hosting company. They're bumbling idiots. |
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| 04:19.28 | rgr | I'm curious as to why you think they want your root password for anything nefarious. If they want to poke around your data they can do that anyway. Why not make a temp one then change it back? |
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| 04:19.36 | setuid | "At this point we are not able to assist you unless we have the root password. You also have the option to rent a 24 hour KVM for $35 so you can investigate this issue yourself." |
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| 04:19.54 | setuid | rgr, I can't make a temp one, because I can't log into the server |
| 04:20.05 | setuid | They're holding the server hostage right now, unless I give them my root password. |
| 04:20.05 | rgr | ah yes, there is that :-; |
| 04:20.11 | yummycheese | setup a screen session and when they login make them do screen -x |
| 04:20.15 | yummycheese | then you can watch them live |
| 04:20.29 | rgr | how can he do that if he cant log in? |
| 04:20.29 | setuid | They've rooted my server before without my approval, because I refused to give them the root password. |
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| 04:20.58 | setuid | These guys completely fscked up my server before, by installing some 64-bit packages on a 32-bit Debian build, completely dorking up the pkg database. |
| 04:21.04 | setuid | Caused me 12 days downtime |
| 04:21.22 | setuid | rgr, they have physical access, they can root it over KVM |
| 04:21.34 | rgr | I guess that. |
| 04:21.53 | karsten | missed the first part of this fascinating conversation and wonders as to the identity of "these guys" |
| 04:22.06 | setuid | They relocated my server from Savvis to Dallas, and in the process, damaged the SATA drive. They tried to cover it up by forcing a reinstall of some damaged packages by putting those 64-bit ones on the 32-bit build. |
| 04:22.14 | setuid | karsten, Layered Technologies |
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| 04:22.26 | yummycheese | layerdtech? |
| 04:22.30 | rgr | do they perhaps need to configure bind or something for the new mac of the nic? Dunno. |
| 04:22.38 | karsten | Sounds like layers of incompetence. |
| 04:22.53 | setuid | They then replaced my SATA2 drive with a SATA1 drive, and stated that it was 7200rpm, so I wouldn't notice a difference in SATA speeds at all. |
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| 04:23.20 | rgr | is this one machine dedicated to you? |
| 04:23.28 | setuid | rgr, they don't manage my OS, I do. My configuration is very specific. I don't need idiots that think drive rpm is transfer speed, mucking with my configs. |
| 04:23.38 | setuid | rgr, Yes, I lease the physical box. |
| 04:23.39 | yummycheese | its funny you should mention layerdtech, I was talking to someone today who was complaining about them. They were raising the monthly price randomly and not giving advanced notice |
| 04:23.41 | setuid | Not a VPS |
| 04:23.44 | rgr | but you just said they set up the repos for 64 bit packages. |
| 04:24.05 | setuid | yummycheese, They actually disconnected my server and relocated it, changing the IP, network, etc. without notifying me at all. |
| 04:24.17 | TPC | hello, I'm trying to compile a program on debian amd64 that only works for 32-bit, and it requires zlib |
| 04:24.23 | setuid | I was like "Hey, I can't access my server anymore." and they said "Oh, yeah, we moved it to Dallas, and it's on a new network and subnet..." |
| 04:24.29 | TPC | is there a ia32 package that has zlib, or do I have to compile it myself? |
| 04:24.30 | TPC | I can't find one |
| 04:24.36 | rgr | which begs the question - who is the biggger idiot? Them for screwing up so often or you for paying them to do it :-) |
| 04:24.58 | setuid | TPC, libz |
| 04:25.19 | setuid | zlib1g-dev is what you want to compile |
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| 04:26.24 | TPC | ok |
| 04:26.30 | smacnay | is there any reason the app "cherry tree", is not in the deb repository but is offered as a .deb from the software developer's website? |
| 04:27.03 | yummycheese | license? |
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| 04:28.01 | TPC | hm.. apperantly there is a lib32z1-dev |
| 04:28.15 | TPC | I wonder why they didn't name it with the same ia32-name scheme that they other packages have |
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| 04:28.49 | karsten | smacnay: almost certainly. |
| 04:28.52 | setuid | Because it's not bit-specific, it's headers |
| 04:29.06 | karsten | smacnay: And who might the software developer be? |
| 04:29.13 | smacnay | let me see... |
| 04:29.49 | smacnay | karsten, home page is open.vitaminap.it |
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| 04:30.31 | smacnay | karsten, I am just curious - I am looking for an alternative to tomboy |
| 04:31.21 | dgeary2 | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/$RELEASE/main/installer-$ARCH/ is where the debian installer kernel and initrds are kept |
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| 04:33.13 | karsten | smacnay: I find no copyright file in that package. |
| 04:33.23 | icebrain | karsten, smacnay: I was curious too, so I've downloaded it and according to the Help menu, it's GPLv2 |
| 04:33.24 | karsten | smacnay: Essentially it's unlicensed as far as Debian's concerned then. |
| 04:33.36 | karsten | Hrm... |
| 04:33.56 | karsten | icebrain: No /usr/share/doc/ directory, so the package fails to meet Debian Policy. |
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| 04:34.30 | icebrain | karsten: yeah, sure, it's obviously not ready for debian |
| 04:34.41 | karsten | icebrain: I prefer to know software's licensing without having to actually install and run it :) |
| 04:35.25 | icebrain | karsten: yes, the lack of a LICENSE file bothered me too.. but you don't have to install it to run, it's just ./cherrytree |
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| 04:36.20 | icebrain | smacnay: well, if you like it, you can always help make a proper package and include it in Debian :) |
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| 04:38.19 | smacnay | icebrain, I would need to actually install it. I haven't. I am just looking to an alternative to tomboy... there aren't a lot of apps that work like tomboy for Gnome. |
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| 04:38.37 | smacnay | thanks for the info about that. I overlooked the licence issues and such. |
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| 04:50.35 | smacnay | found it - gnote - a tomboy port to C++ |
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| 04:54.34 | alnr | i would like to run my MTA bound to a single ip, as opposed to all interfaces, is there a way to configure it so that the mail command, cron, etc use that ip or a hostname that resolves to it? will cron/mail etc use /etc/mailname (as opposed to localhost)? |
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| 04:55.44 | conconga | does anyone here use kvirc? |
| 04:56.23 | conconga | i want it connects to last server and join last channels automatically... |
| 04:56.47 | conconga | what is your irc clients, plz? |
| 04:57.51 | smacnay | conconga, xchat - and it can do that - connect to a server or servers and channels automatically on startup - I would guess tha kvirc could as well but have never used that. If you use kde, try looking at konversation. |
| 04:58.07 | smacnay | I like it when I tinkered with kde. |
| 04:58.41 | conconga | tks, i'll check konversation |
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| 04:58.58 | conconga | is xchat a console app? |
| 04:59.11 | soul | nope |
| 04:59.15 | soul | but irssi is |
| 04:59.50 | smacnay | yes - irssi is a killer console app |
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| 05:00.32 | smacnay | xchat is a gtk app - I run it as a default in Gnome. |
| 05:00.49 | rgr | irssi is ok for ssh use in a console alright. talks to dircproxy too. but a pain in how it handles containers and channels. |
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| 05:02.10 | conconga | i've just seen xchat screenshots... seems nice |
| 05:02.17 | Arrowmaster | irssi has proxy feature too so you dont even need dircproxy |
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| 05:02.45 | rgr | yeah I saw that, but since I aleady run dircproxy and wanted to test irssi it was nice to made it so easy to configure. |
| 05:02.59 | Arrowmaster | ive got a line in my rc.local to start up irssi inside of screen for me and just connect to it with xchat |
| 05:03.57 | conconga | can i connect to multiple servers at same time using xchat? |
| 05:04.05 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:04.06 | rgr | I was experiemtning with screen and had irssi there too in addition to a shell and ena emacsclient, but dimped irssi after a couple of days and went back to erc in emacs - just mor eintruitive ( for emacs user) with buffer/channel handling. |
| 05:04.55 | Arrowmaster | i just use it as a proxy and for the logging, havent seen many bouncers that can do nice logging |
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| 05:05.30 | Arrowmaster | i still get lost trying to operate it |
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| 05:06.33 | conconga | 3 am in brazil... good night and tks! |
| 05:07.52 | oh-hey | merry christmas conconga!! |
| 05:08.14 | wedge | christmas eve > christmas day |
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| 05:09.12 | oh-hey | http://www.chicagojazzclubcrawl.com/merry-christmas-with-tree.gif |
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| 05:21.20 | ananthgs | any idea as to how to figure out the system logs.. i dont want syslog.. |
| 05:21.25 | ananthgs | its too much in detail |
| 05:21.39 | ananthgs | i want to get the same log that starts when debian is booted.... |
| 05:21.45 | ananthgs | help would be appreciated |
| 05:21.47 | ananthgs | thanks |
| 05:22.12 | stew | ananthgs: /var/log/boot? |
| 05:22.21 | stew | ananthgs: what are you actually trying to figure out? |
| 05:22.25 | ananthgs | ha thanks stew.. wait a min... let me check |
| 05:22.54 | ananthgs | i am getting it as nothing has been logged |
| 05:23.05 | stew | ananthgs: /msg dpkg bootlog |
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| 05:23.12 | mq521 | and I thought debian was nice |
| 05:23.15 | mq521 | piec of shit os |
| 05:23.18 | mq521 | no svn works |
| 05:23.26 | ananthgs | if u cant get svn work |
| 05:23.30 | tatootian | repo |
| 05:23.31 | mq521 | lets see you do |
| 05:23.34 | ananthgs | why do u want to call debian shit? |
| 05:23.34 | bazhang | mq521, watch the language |
| 05:23.48 | mq521 | bazhang |
| 05:23.48 | ananthgs | ha ha exactly... |
| 05:23.49 | mq521 | gi there |
| 05:23.49 | ananthgs | watch ur language |
| 05:23.50 | mq521 | mite aswell ban rite awawy |
| 05:23.53 | mq521 | since tahts all you do |
| 05:23.54 | mq521 | shithed |
| 05:23.56 | stew | mq521: what exactly are you having trouble with? |
| 05:23.56 | tatootian | Hi, does anyone here know how to install Windows? |
| 05:24.02 | stew | mq521: can you please keep things civil? |
| 05:24.03 | tatootian | Wrong channel, sorry. |
| 05:24.04 | dondelelcaro | tatootian: ##windows |
| 05:24.07 | mq521 | stfu |
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| 05:24.10 | bazhang | stew, he is trolling multiple channels |
| 05:24.27 | tatootian | Hello, anyone know why my CentOS isn't working? |
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| 05:24.38 | bazhang | and him too ^^ |
| 05:24.45 | ananthgs | boss go to the centOS channel |
| 05:24.50 | ananthgs | this is debian |
| 05:24.57 | greenmang0 | tatootian: no i don't know ;) |
| 05:25.05 | greenmang0 | tatootian: #centos |
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| 05:33.10 | acu | I am trying to use perhaps most unfriendly useful program aptitude - if I press g - it tries to install programs I did not asked for - I wanted a simple update and upgrade - I pressed u first then g - why it tries to install a bunch o fprograms I do not want |
| 05:33.35 | dondelelcaro | acu: I presume you actually mean that you pressed 'U', not 'u' |
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| 05:33.57 | nsadmin | acu: upgrade of what? |
| 05:34.08 | dondelelcaro | acu: regardless, if you don't want them to be installed, deselect them before pressing g a second time. |
| 05:34.24 | dondelelcaro | acu: if you want to know why it's going to install them, aptitude why foopkg; |
| 05:35.08 | acu | I am running squeeze - and got a lot of sound problems - and I tried to uninstall a bunch of seemingly useless sound stuff - (I used synaptics) however now I want to just update the systesm - so I pressed u then I need U |
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| 05:35.53 | nsadmin | what sound problems? |
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| 05:40.23 | ananthgs | udev: missing sysfs features; please update the kernel or disable the kernel's CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED option |
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| 05:40.29 | acu | nsadmin: I have a usb headphone and mic - and want to use it with ekiga and I want the normal sound card to be used for music etc - well I cannot switch between them - also at times they simply do not work - of course it is possible that I have a soup of sound managers (out of ignorance of course) - ALSA - PULSEAUDIO etc - so that might have been the problem - so I am trying to stay with Pulseudio only but I lack the specific knowledge of how exactly it works |
| 05:40.29 | acu | and what I need |
| 05:40.32 | ananthgs | hi can some one help me with this error??? |
| 05:40.49 | ananthgs | and i cant recompile my kernel disabling it |
| 05:40.53 | acu | nsadmin: are you a bot ? |
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| 05:41.00 | nsadmin | are you saying the sound problems are the only thing that focused you on updating? |
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| 05:41.04 | ananthgs | udev: missing sysfs features; please update the kernel or disable the kernel's CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED option |
| 05:41.06 | nsadmin | !bot |
| 05:41.06 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 05:41.27 | nsadmin | I'm hummin, that thing's a baught\ |
| 05:41.28 | ananthgs | /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686:CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED=y |
| 05:41.28 | ananthgs | /boot/config-2.6.26-1-686:CONFIG_SYSFS_DEPRECATED_V2=y |
| 05:42.11 | acu | nsadmin: you are a sensible bot though - you make me think :) |
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| 05:42.46 | imganquan | hi all. I use openbox wm, how to autostart the ibus(a input method) after I type "startx", I write ibus-daemon in openbox's autostart.sh, but it didn't works. any suggestion? |
| 05:42.50 | nsadmin | that's a good thing... linux is a thinking person's os |
| 05:43.35 | ananthgs | any help??? |
| 05:43.37 | ananthgs | plz |
| 05:43.51 | dondelelcaro | ananthgs: is /sys mounted? |
| 05:43.59 | ananthgs | ha yes |
| 05:44.13 | dondelelcaro | ananthgs: and which version of udev is this? |
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| 05:44.49 | ananthgs | how do i find it out? |
| 05:44.52 | ananthgs | the version? |
| 05:44.55 | dondelelcaro | ananthgs: dpkg -l udev |
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| 05:45.28 | ananthgs | its telling 146-5 |
| 05:45.31 | nsadmin | acu: which card is which in /proc/asound/cards |
| 05:45.37 | acu | It would have been excellent if there was some news communication for lay people about the stage of squeeze etc - the Debian seem deserted without news - so people not directly involved (yet) have a chance to know whatt is going on |
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| 05:45.57 | dondelelcaro | ananthgs: that's an old version of testing's or unstable's udev which doesn't work with kernels < 2.6.29 iirc. |
| 05:46.10 | ananthgs | ok |
| 05:46.11 | dondelelcaro | acu: consider yourself volunteered to do it |
| 05:46.19 | ananthgs | so u want me to update the kernel |
| 05:46.21 | ananthgs | or the udev? |
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| 05:46.46 | nsadmin | judd versions udev |
| 05:46.46 | judd | nsadmin: udev -- etch: 0.105-4 etch-security: 0.105-4etch1 lenny: 0.125-7 lenny-security: 0.125-7+lenny1 sid: 149-1 squeeze: 149-1 |
| 05:46.47 | dondelelcaro | ananthgs: both. You should 1) be running the kernel actually in testing, and 2) actually running testing |
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| 05:47.16 | acu | dondelelcaro: I wish I could - but I need first to see what is going on - and I do not know how |
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| 05:47.31 | nsadmin | acu: the original purpose for testing is, well, um, |
| 05:47.34 | nsadmin | testing |
| 05:47.44 | dondelelcaro | acu: follow the mailing lists, and ask questions of the people in charge and promulgate it to others |
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| 05:48.26 | acu | dondelelcaro: I am going to give a try - which mailing list I should get in first |
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| 05:48.49 | dondelelcaro | acu: -publicity and -devel would be good starting points |
| 05:49.01 | Zifter | hey guys... my mysql is giving me hell |
| 05:49.04 | Zifter | can anyone help me out? |
| 05:49.23 | nsadmin | you didn't want hell?! |
| 05:49.31 | dondelelcaro | Zifter: ask your question; if you're not running Debian, ask #mysql. |
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| 05:50.52 | acu | nsadmin: if I do /proc/asound/cards/ it tells me permission denied - I tried root |
| 05:51.18 | nsadmin | acu: oh, you want to read those files, they arn't executable |
| 05:51.29 | nsadmin | try with cat |
| 05:52.22 | nsadmin | also |
| 05:53.06 | nsadmin | the / on the far right says "cards is a directory/folder" |
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| 05:53.57 | nsadmin | but it's actually a plain file |
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| 05:54.38 | bbelt16ag2 | hmmm why isnt google coming up |
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| 06:01.46 | acu | nsadmin: card0 cardsdevices modules oss seq version |
| 06:01.46 | acu | card1 defaulthwdep NVidia pcm timers |
| 06:01.58 | acu | thats the ls |
| 06:02.09 | acu | from /proc/asound |
| 06:03.11 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:03.16 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.20 | acu | OK - got it with nano 0 [NVidia ]: HDA-Intel - HDA NVidia |
| 06:04.20 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.20 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:04.20 | acu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:05.44 | acu | punishment and rewards runs primitive societies :) |
| 06:05.54 | acu | reward will run future societies |
| 06:06.20 | acu | OK - is any way to switch between cards easier thatn going in a text file > |
| 06:06.22 | acu | ? |
| 06:06.59 | nsadmin | your card 0 is the regular sound card and card 1 is the usb |
| 06:07.06 | acu | nsadmin: I am always confused who manages the cards - OSS, ALSA PULSE ? |
| 06:07.33 | nsadmin | you seem to have alsa drivers |
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| 06:08.09 | acu | how do you know |
| 06:08.19 | nsadmin | the file says so |
| 06:09.44 | bullgard4 | 'man ps'in the section "STANDARD FORMAT SPECIFIERS" lists a table headlined "CODE HEADER DESCRIPTION" to control the output format of the ps command. When do I have to use 'CODE', and when do I have to use 'HEADER'? |
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| 06:12.25 | nsadmin | bullgard4: you could run ps without dealing with that... what are you trying to do? |
| 06:12.45 | dondelelcaro | unfortunatly, I don't have time to walk you through tracking all of the possibilities down |
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| 06:18.22 | nsadmin | how do you get alsa to list cards and devices on the cards |
| 06:18.48 | stew | nsadmin: cat /proc/asound/{cards,devices} |
| 06:19.25 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 06:19.46 | acu | stew: thanks |
| 06:20.26 | acu | that was a "subtle" way msadmin wanted me to find ? |
| 06:20.33 | acu | :) |
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| 06:20.46 | nsadmin | no, I just didn't know how to do it |
| 06:20.49 | rue_shop | the 2.6.26-2-486 kernel crashes on a 486, any comments? |
| 06:21.11 | nsadmin | rue_shop: maybe the BTS says more |
| 06:21.12 | wedge | get a new computer |
| 06:21.15 | wedge | ;) |
| 06:21.19 | omg_onoez | lol |
| 06:21.33 | wedge | Im fairly sure that the support for older legacy systems is quite flaky |
| 06:21.56 | acu | I am sure there is a way to switch the cards - I heard there is some pulse-management or something like this - I could not find it - |
| 06:22.05 | wedge | or the system is actually broken (hardware |
| 06:22.23 | acu | rue_shop: were are you man? Rwanda? Mozambic ? |
| 06:22.26 | acu | :) |
| 06:23.01 | nsadmin | acu: both cards are there, the drivers are loaded. you can refer to them as hw:0 and hw:1 |
| 06:23.01 | wedge | I mean.. you could try a release from that time period |
| 06:23.04 | wedge | like.. 2000 maybe |
| 06:23.20 | wedge | heck it was old even then |
| 06:23.22 | rue_shop | its a specialized machine |
| 06:23.37 | rue_shop | this is why I compile my own kernels |
| 06:23.37 | wedge | if it's a specialized machine, run it with the specialized software |
| 06:23.50 | nsadmin | I had an asus sp3g which ran a 486 and had scsi |
| 06:23.52 | acu | 486 was made in 1994 I think |
| 06:23.53 | wedge | or see why it crashes |
| 06:24.05 | rue_shop | that and I can conserve memory by making kerns that dont load every module ever made |
| 06:25.00 | rue_shop | Bug: Int 6 |
| 06:25.00 | rue_shop | right after "Booting kernel." |
| 06:25.00 | acu | rue_shop: what exactly it runs ? YOu can move your cards (PCI or ISA in at least a pentium 3 or 4 with PCI ISA slots |
| 06:25.18 | rue_shop | it runs a boiler |
| 06:25.23 | acu | LOL |
| 06:25.28 | rue_shop | its an SBC |
| 06:25.49 | acu | what is a SBC ? |
| 06:26.01 | rue_shop | Single Board Computer |
| 06:26.02 | acu | steamed boiler container |
| 06:26.02 | nsadmin | single board computer? |
| 06:26.09 | acu | ah |
| 06:26.22 | wedge | rue_shop: try an older kernel, Im pretty sure they've removed legacy features and some issues may occur with exotic hardware |
| 06:26.30 | wedge | rue_shop: I would try kernel 2.4 instead , it may still work |
| 06:26.38 | rue_shop | I dont think there is anything you can do, I have to compile a kernel with proper processor support |
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| 06:26.55 | rue_shop | I cant, I need i2c-parport |
| 06:27.08 | rue_shop | its prettymuched locked to 2.6 now |
| 06:27.19 | nsadmin | had this ever worked? |
| 06:27.31 | rue_shop | yes, right before I decided to upgrade it :) |
| 06:27.45 | wedge | downgrade to the previous kernel |
| 06:27.51 | wedge | use same kernel config and see what the difference is |
| 06:27.52 | nsadmin | ok, why not try restoring from your backup |
| 06:28.00 | rue_shop | :) |
| 06:28.24 | nsadmin | people laugh every time I suggest that :P |
| 06:28.28 | rue_shop | might wanna check that the processor is set properly in teh 486 package is all |
| 06:28.40 | rue_shop | I didn't laugh, I smiled |
| 06:29.03 | rue_shop | people laugh at me when I say I always compile my own kernel |
| 06:29.30 | nsadmin | looks like you have to |
| 06:29.43 | rue_shop | imagine that |
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| 06:30.17 | rue_shop | it would be nice if old versions of kernel source could still be compiled |
| 06:30.18 | nsadmin | what exactly did you upgrade, and why did you do the upgrade? |
| 06:30.34 | nsadmin | oh, just build the appropriate gcc |
| 06:30.48 | rue_shop | I did the upgrade ot get around dependency problems with program versions |
| 06:31.03 | rue_shop | I think it was 2.4 before |
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| 06:31.54 | Inazad | hi, someone can helps me in php ? ##php has nobody |
| 06:31.55 | rue_shop | I'll put the drive back in another machine and see if I can tell what processor was selected for the 486 kernel |
| 06:32.25 | acu | Inazad: just ask your question |
| 06:32.45 | dondelelcaro | Inazad: if we were to support PHP, we'd be in ##php |
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| 06:32.56 | dondelelcaro | (if anyone wants to help Inazad, please do it in ##php) |
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| 06:33.05 | acu | Inazad: people in here know everything :) |
| 06:33.26 | allahakbar | hi |
| 06:33.32 | acu | low |
| 06:33.40 | jjmartin | what is the process of installing a light weight debian or stripping it down to safe CPU usage |
| 06:33.50 | jjmartin | and disk space. I need less than 2gb for OS |
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| 06:34.11 | rue_shop | ok |
| 06:34.29 | rue_shop | when it asks you what tasks you want to use it for, unslect them all, including standard system |
| 06:34.50 | rue_shop | then install localepurge and deborpahan |
| 06:35.15 | rue_shop | deborphan via orphaner will find 5 packages (inc dependencies) that can be removeed |
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| 06:35.25 | jjmartin | start off with a LXDE install then start removing stuff |
| 06:35.31 | acu | jjmartin: if you do through the network installation you can choose expert install |
| 06:35.36 | rue_shop | localepurge will delete over 50M of non-english documentation |
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| 06:36.03 | acu | jjmartin: you can go to normal installation and choose only base |
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| 06:36.18 | rue_shop | then run apt-get clean, you can also use orphaner -a to find and get rif of useless things like the package survey |
| 06:36.19 | jjmartin | i need the computer to run image processing on a webcam so I am not sure If i need to remove graphics |
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| 06:36.59 | gigo | The grub command is not working on my Squeeze system. |
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| 06:37.32 | jjmartin | I don't know how to code for the webcam if the system doesnt have a graphical display. I could try some ssh to grab files or do a remote X session |
| 06:38.04 | jjmartin | remote sounds like it would work. I could write code on my laptop then send it to the computer to be run. might be too complicated that way. |
| 06:38.28 | rue_shop | its set for 486, hm |
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| 06:40.30 | jjmartin | so what install media should I use then? standard cd iso or small network install? |
| 06:41.08 | jjmartin | either way I can do expert install right? |
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| 06:43.46 | acu | just a sec |
| 06:43.46 | acu | yes |
| 06:43.47 | acu | netinstall - 140 mb or so |
| 06:44.55 | jjmartin | to test that the webcam is working I will need graphics install probably |
| 06:45.06 | acu | for 64 bit CPUs - either intel or amd you use amd64 |
| 06:45.24 | jjmartin | this is an embedded VIA computer from 2002 |
| 06:45.34 | jjmartin | ;) |
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| 06:46.10 | acu | so it is most probably i386 you need to choose |
| 06:46.34 | jjmartin | it can run windows 9x xp so it is x86 |
| 06:46.41 | acu | you can try squeeze then - what the heck - you start with the cutting edge (but you may bleed though) |
| 06:47.19 | acu | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:47.23 | jjmartin | it's a robot that will use a webcam for color and shape detection plus all the other sensor inputs and logics |
| 06:47.31 | acu | it is fun - but you may get some heartache :) |
| 06:47.50 | jjmartin | I do appreciate debian's documentation |
| 06:47.51 | nsadmin | so you'll be coding? |
| 06:47.59 | jjmartin | HARDCORE MOFO |
| 06:48.02 | jjmartin | yes |
| 06:48.23 | nsadmin | I'd suggest you start with stable (and make backups if you're going to upgrade) |
| 06:48.24 | jjmartin | C/C++ and maybe some scripting |
| 06:48.44 | nsadmin | and this will all be in a robot? |
| 06:48.54 | nsadmin | or FOR a robot? |
| 06:48.56 | jjmartin | yes |
| 06:48.59 | jjmartin | inside |
| 06:49.10 | jjmartin | 8gb compact flash card in there. |
| 06:49.13 | acu | what webcam do you use |
| 06:49.21 | remote | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.38 | acu | what application do you use for capturing the video ? |
| 06:49.46 | nsadmin | maybe when you're coding you could use a larger but external usb drive |
| 06:49.56 | jjmartin | acu, i have some logictech but I dont know if i should use a different cam that has better support. |
| 06:50.02 | jjmartin | acu, I dont know yet. |
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| 06:50.11 | acu | ask |
| 06:50.16 | acu | I might help :) |
| 06:50.20 | jjmartin | nsadmin, two usb 1.1 ports. one will be used for gps |
| 06:50.21 | nsadmin | find out first if what you have is supported and how well |
| 06:50.34 | nsadmin | can you add a usb 2 card? |
| 06:50.46 | jjmartin | nsadmin, yes im in the process. I figure starting with the install is a good idea before testing other stuff |
| 06:50.57 | jjmartin | nsadmin, not a desktop formfactor. pc/104 |
| 06:51.14 | nsadmin | (usb 1.1 will be too slow for when you compile) |
| 06:51.47 | jjmartin | I have a 20Mbps CFC in there |
| 06:51.49 | nsadmin | agreed, get it going first... well does the mobo have eSATA? |
| 06:52.17 | jjmartin | 2002 embedded pc/104 computer. has EIDE UDMA 100 |
| 06:52.29 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 06:52.32 | jjmartin | im not going to use a harddrive due to physics |
| 06:52.55 | acu | jjmartin: my experience with webcam capture is the following - go for squeeze - lenny kind of sucks - the video handling is a bit primitive |
| 06:52.57 | zinx | anyone know off-hand how to install ia32 versions of libpci3/libpci-dev on amd64 Debian? |
| 06:53.02 | zinx | sid |
| 06:53.06 | nsadmin | maybe too much vibration and other movement which would affect the health of a hd |
| 06:53.29 | jjmartin | acu, what is squeeze? new release? |
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| 06:53.36 | zinx | we've gone through so much multiarch stuff that i have no idea what the latest stuff is :/ |
| 06:53.49 | nsadmin | squeeze is available but not "released" yet |
| 06:55.07 | jjmartin | etch is current so squeeze is testing? |
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| 06:55.25 | nsadmin | etch is oldstable, lenny is current stable |
| 06:55.27 | acu | jjmartin: squeeze will be the next release - now is in testing stage |
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| 06:55.40 | jjmartin | not sid? |
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| 06:55.47 | nsadmin | lenny is 5.0.x |
| 06:55.57 | nsadmin | sid never gets released |
| 06:56.24 | nsadmin | sid (aka unstable) "leaks" into testing |
| 06:56.45 | nsadmin | once people think testing is tested, it becomes stable |
| 06:56.59 | acu | jjmartin: cheese is preety cool - you can specify the resolution and other options -for capturing - but there are a bunch more webcam capturing evices |
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| 06:57.33 | jjmartin | acu, cheese worked under ubuntu for my logictech webcam |
| 06:57.36 | acu | jjmartin: just do the testing - "squeeze" I gave you the link for the installer |
| 06:57.43 | jjmartin | k |
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| 06:58.40 | acu | jjmartin: how big of a resolution and frame per second you want to capture ? |
| 06:59.00 | acu | what is the purpose of the robot - can it make us better people? |
| 06:59.18 | jjmartin | I think the cam is native 640x480 |
| 06:59.23 | nsadmin | I will better a person. because the robot made me. |
| 06:59.48 | Inazad | how to \n in a terminal ? |
| 06:59.59 | jjmartin | no. it finds orange traffic cones in mixed terrain http://www.robothon.org/robothon/robo-magellan.php |
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| 07:00.01 | Inazad | I have a .sh file and the \n do not works |
| 07:00.05 | nsadmin | Inazad: context? |
| 07:00.08 | Inazad | like |
| 07:00.20 | Inazad | echo "Hello world ! \n" |
| 07:00.24 | jjmartin | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3227779&l=4c0606c2cb&id=624514261 |
| 07:00.25 | Inazad | echo "foo" |
| 07:00.27 | Inazad | will output |
| 07:00.32 | Inazad | Hello world ! \nfoo |
| 07:00.57 | Inazad | same for a php file.... |
| 07:01.18 | nsadmin | echo should put \n at end |
| 07:01.28 | Inazad | it doesnt |
| 07:01.30 | nsadmin | echo $SHELL |
| 07:01.34 | Cellkill | nsadmin in sh, but not php |
| 07:01.44 | Inazad | bin/bash |
| 07:01.45 | nsadmin | is this php? |
| 07:01.53 | nsadmin | so it's bash |
| 07:01.56 | Inazad | yeah, I execute a php file from a .sh |
| 07:02.11 | Cellkill | he said \n doesn't work in either, i'm thinking bash is not processing the newline |
| 07:02.21 | Inazad | maybe \r ? |
| 07:02.37 | nsadmin | try this in your bash... |
| 07:02.49 | nsadmin | echo "Hello world !" |
| 07:02.55 | nsadmin | echo "foo" |
| 07:03.03 | nsadmin | you should get two lines |
| 07:03.14 | nsadmin | if not, something's either wrong or weird |
| 07:03.41 | nsadmin | ohh, maybe something's wrong with your term |
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| 07:03.52 | Inazad | yeah but I execute a php file |
| 07:03.55 | nsadmin | is EVERYTHING on one line? |
| 07:03.59 | Inazad | it output the string "Hello world ! \n" |
| 07:04.07 | Inazad | it doesn't interpret the \n |
| 07:04.07 | acu | jjmartin: it looks nice - though I expected the robot to look like that beautiful girl in Avatar :) |
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| 07:04.26 | acu | so *** (like) able :) |
| 07:04.27 | Inazad | nsadmin, if I do a print_r, the array is multiline, all the rest is online |
| 07:04.32 | jjmartin | only in japan 100 years from now |
| 07:05.21 | Inazad | nsadmin, what I should do ? its tough to read :P |
| 07:05.50 | acu | jjmartin: so how many frames per second you need to do - - or what speed do you expect the robot will max |
| 07:06.05 | nsadmin | Inazad: try pulling up a separate shell window and try in that |
| 07:06.20 | Inazad | try what ? |
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| 07:06.28 | nsadmin | echo "Hello world !" |
| 07:06.31 | jjmartin | the cam is adertized as 30fps but in reality I think its less than 15 for color 640x480 |
| 07:06.34 | nsadmin | echo "foo" |
| 07:06.41 | Inazad | nsadmin, get 2 lines yeah |
| 07:06.43 | jjmartin | advertised |
| 07:06.44 | acu | jjmartin: strange enough - the japaneze is so top down hierarchical society yet they are the cutting edge at the implementing innovation |
| 07:06.48 | nsadmin | NOTE no \n in first one |
| 07:06.59 | Inazad | nsadmin, yeah but its in my php file... |
| 07:07.08 | Inazad | i do echo "hello world ! \n" |
| 07:07.15 | Inazad | it output it like a string... |
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| 07:07.24 | nsadmin | Inazad: so it depends on which shell you put it in? |
| 07:07.38 | Inazad | it a cron job |
| 07:07.41 | f00li5h[HireMe] | meow! |
| 07:07.46 | Inazad | i'm on my server through ssh |
| 07:08.00 | Inazad | ex .: $str = 'COPY SUCCESSFUL ' . $toCopy[$k][0] . ' to ' . $toCopy[$k][1] . '\r'; output the whole string |
| 07:08.20 | nsadmin | that looks like perl |
| 07:08.25 | Inazad | its php |
| 07:08.59 | Inazad | how I can fix this ? |
| 07:09.03 | nsadmin | what's it supposed to output to? a web page? |
| 07:09.45 | nsadmin | if you're outputting html, you need <br> |
| 07:09.58 | Inazad | i know but I don't need html output |
| 07:10.08 | Inazad | nsadmin, a shell!!!! it's a cron job |
| 07:10.09 | nsadmin | so |
| 07:10.31 | nsadmin | ok, so you know that cron emails its output |
| 07:10.35 | Inazad | yeah |
| 07:10.39 | Inazad | I receive it |
| 07:10.45 | Inazad | in a long whole line |
| 07:10.52 | nsadmin | and you're saying the email doesn't have the \ns |
| 07:10.59 | Inazad | it got it |
| 07:11.03 | Inazad | I see the \n |
| 07:11.11 | nsadmin | one thing, there's a LOT of moving parts here |
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| 07:11.48 | Inazad | do you want the log of my shell output ??? |
| 07:11.51 | nsadmin | what's cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 07:12.04 | nsadmin | hold on, I'm going to try it myself |
| 07:12.24 | nsadmin | assuming, that is, we have moreorless the same system |
| 07:12.36 | Inazad | I think I'm on an opensuse |
| 07:12.51 | nsadmin | which is your remote? |
| 07:13.13 | nsadmin | and which is running your script? |
| 07:13.27 | Inazad | Linux vps3564.inmotionhosting.com 2.6.18-028stab060.8 #1 SMP Mon Feb 9 20:25:36 MSK 2009 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 07:13.57 | Inazad | it is so hard to output a string with a new line into ? |
| 07:14.07 | nsadmin | not supposed to be |
| 07:14.16 | Inazad | I do |
| 07:14.18 | nsadmin | but there are a lot of moving parts here |
| 07:14.25 | Inazad | echo "abc\ndef" |
| 07:14.25 | ninjaslim | anybody know whatever happeed to k3b as in for KDE 4 |
| 07:14.28 | Inazad | output the same |
| 07:14.37 | nsadmin | try: man echo |
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| 07:15.08 | nsadmin | (k+k+k)*b?? |
| 07:15.26 | nsadmin | k3b is the burner thingy? |
| 07:15.35 | ninjaslim | yeah its burner thingy |
| 07:15.47 | nsadmin | I used it before, seems to work |
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| 07:16.06 | ninjaslim | well no i mean one that doesn't rely on kde 3.5 librarie |
| 07:16.24 | nsadmin | why shouldn't it? :) |
| 07:16.53 | nsadmin | if you want, you can build your own, static, executable of it... it will be much larger if you do |
| 07:17.09 | jjmartin | acu, i could i start with leany and upgrade packages for 'better' video capture? |
| 07:17.20 | nsadmin | then it won't rely on ANY dynamic libs |
| 07:17.37 | jjmartin | i want this thing to be stable as to make things easier. |
| 07:17.45 | acu | jjmartin: might be so - when is the competition ? |
| 07:18.12 | nsadmin | jjmartin: you might consider lenny then. squeeze is not yet considered "stable" |
| 07:18.58 | nsadmin | you might try installing lenny and then test test test your hardware for like a day to make sure |
| 07:19.24 | nsadmin | you -might- find that lenny has everything |
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| 07:20.38 | jjmartin | the hardware is old so it should work |
| 07:21.05 | nsadmin | acu btw does this ekiga thing have a config file? |
| 07:21.13 | acu | you better listen to nsadmin - I have more risky phylosophy - I invest always in future - ignoring the present - which is wrong - but if you want to compete in this competition in october 2010 - and now you are just dabling around to see what is the best - I would go for squeeze - there are too many dependencies for ptlibs and god knows what - that the update would be to cumbersome - but again - listen to this gurus - they know better than me :) |
| 07:21.50 | nsadmin | is only a gu |
| 07:21.59 | acu | nsadmin: I had a hell of a time (negative) trying to make ekiga decent in lenny |
| 07:22.00 | bullgard4 | nsadmin: I am trying to prevent a situation which I experienced yesterday: I could not stop my cdrom from running and hard disk from accessing continuously. -- I know that I can run ps without either switch. -- Please answer the question which I have put. |
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| 07:22.38 | acu | I mean to make ekiga use highest resolution (eg for Quickam Deluxe 9000 pro for highest resolution) etc |
| 07:23.05 | acu | there are a bunch of libraries which were so painful - |
| 07:23.28 | acu | I had to pull a rabbit at every turn - it was just too consuming |
| 07:23.31 | jjmartin | how about starting with lenny then upgrade to squeeze and see if there is a difference. |
| 07:23.46 | nsadmin | bullgard4, I haven't actually read the man page; I'd have to in order to be able to tell you |
| 07:23.47 | jjmartin | btw that hardware was free |
| 07:24.02 | acu | that looked preety neat ;) |
| 07:24.08 | acu | harware |
| 07:24.11 | acu | d |
| 07:24.33 | bullgard4 | nsadmin: Yes, please do it. |
| 07:24.34 | nsadmin | bullgard4, maybe you're swapping constantly |
| 07:24.54 | nsadmin | look at output of free |
| 07:25.04 | bullgard4 | nsadmin: Could well be. But I would like to make certain. |
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| 07:25.16 | nsadmin | then |
| 07:25.17 | nsadmin | look at output of free |
| 07:25.36 | acu | free as in a beer - and you can type top too |
| 07:25.38 | nsadmin | does it show you're into your swap? |
| 07:26.19 | nsadmin | as far as your cdrom, not sure what's going on there |
| 07:26.33 | nsadmin | what's in the cd drive? |
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| 07:26.42 | acu | df -h can tell you too ? if you had a dedicated swap partition |
| 07:27.32 | nsadmin | what's ekiga anyway? |
| 07:27.43 | omg_onoez | мÑÑз, |
| 07:27.46 | omg_onoez | voip? |
| 07:28.35 | acu | ekiga it is a kick ass video conference app - you can use it for voice over IP |
| 07:29.21 | nsadmin | does it use that h323 thing? |
| 07:29.34 | acu | so you can call your aunt in spain - yes it does |
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| 07:30.14 | acu | and see her in HIGH RESOLUTION - |
| 07:30.38 | acu | NATO type of communication in the free world :) |
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| 07:30.53 | acu | Nice people, mean spirit :) |
| 07:32.32 | acu | OK, I should let you guys sleep - time for bed children - Santa Claus will come to you soon :) |
| 07:33.05 | nsadmin | acu: he only has a half hour left |
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| 07:33.28 | acu | lol - depends in other parts is gone :) |
| 07:33.29 | nsadmin | judd versions ekiga |
| 07:33.29 | judd | nsadmin: ekiga -- etch: 2.0.3-6 etch-backports: 2.0.11-2~bpo40+1 lenny: 2.0.12-1+nmu1 sid: 3.2.6-1 squeeze: 3.2.6-1 |
| 07:33.49 | acu | nsadmin: ekiga in ectch and lenny SUCKS |
| 07:34.02 | acu | you have to have at least 3.02 |
| 07:34.18 | nsadmin | at least I can play with it if not use it |
| 07:34.33 | nsadmin | perhaps it could be backported |
| 07:34.47 | acu | Squeeze has ekiga 3.2.6 and there are a lot of dependencies which makes imposible (almost ) to have that running in lenny |
| 07:35.14 | nsadmin | even if you build 3.2.6 using lenny's libs? |
| 07:35.32 | acu | good luck nsadmin - I spent a lot of sleeplees nights trying vooddoo art |
| 07:35.36 | nsadmin | aside from which, I just want to see how to config it |
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| 07:36.29 | acu | oh is very simple - is 100% GUI and you hust go to EDIT PREFERENCES - and there you have almost everything |
| 07:36.39 | oreo | could anyone tell me a way to parse a file, test something for each line and remove the said line if it fails the test? Thanks! |
| 07:36.56 | oreo | (shell scripting) |
| 07:37.04 | acu | but again - the high resolution is only clear in later versions |
| 07:37.24 | alturiak | oreo: sounds like you're looking for sed |
| 07:38.06 | nsadmin | oreo: that;s kinda like grep |
| 07:38.26 | nsadmin | what test? |
| 07:38.39 | oreo | grep and sed parse, but what about removing the line after a failed test? |
| 07:39.17 | alturiak | sed -i can edit files in place |
| 07:39.45 | alturiak | (unstable 3G-connection here, sorry for the lag :-) |
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| 07:40.06 | nsadmin | how do you turn recommends off just for a particular install session in aptitude |
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| 07:40.26 | nsadmin | what test |
| 07:40.37 | echosystm | if you want eclispe on debian, are you best just getting it straight off eclipse.org, rather than repo? |
| 07:40.54 | nsadmin | I installed eclipse that way I think |
| 07:40.59 | oreo | nsadmin: HTTP response |
| 07:41.09 | oreo | if it's 200, it passes the test |
| 07:41.17 | oreo | if it isn't, the line has to be removed |
| 07:41.28 | nsadmin | oh, so it's not actually parsing |
| 07:41.45 | nsadmin | here's what I would do |
| 07:41.53 | oreo | i'll describe the behavior |
| 07:42.11 | nsadmin | code your script to do the test, if it succeeds, output the line |
| 07:42.28 | nsadmin | then at your shell, send output from your script to another file |
| 07:42.48 | nsadmin | after it's all done, mv or cp the file back |
| 07:43.07 | nsadmin | simple. lazy. seems to work. |
| 07:43.17 | oreo | 1) open the file of paths separated by newline |
| 07:43.17 | oreo | 2) test each one until it finds a correct one |
| 07:43.17 | oreo | 3) delete the ones beforehand that failed |
| 07:43.17 | oreo | 4) do not bother testing the remaining ones |
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| 07:43.57 | oreo | argh |
| 07:44.00 | nsadmin | you'll want to use a pastebin for that |
| 07:44.03 | oreo | don't have a log of the channel |
| 07:44.16 | oreo | wouldn't think it'd kick me for 4 lines lol |
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| 07:45.01 | oreo | nsadmin: so what's your recommendation? |
| 07:45.41 | nsadmin | so you want to test a website to see what links you have are still good |
| 07:45.43 | nsadmin | yes? |
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| 07:46.50 | nsadmin | first come up with the test which would be applied to a single lihe |
| 07:46.53 | nsadmin | line |
| 07:47.09 | heparc_ | Bonjour j'ai fait un petit script pour les maj auto qui me prévient lorsque tout c'est bien passé mais j'aimerai qu'il me prévienne quand il y a un soucis également ^^, je vous envoie mon bash je le paste : http://404past-it.fr/771 |
| 07:47.18 | nsadmin | !fr |
| 07:47.19 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 07:47.21 | alturiak | I'd use something like "sed -ie '/bad line//' filename" :) |
| 07:48.02 | heparc_ | oki sorry |
| 07:48.54 | nsadmin | np, if you're ok with english you can do that here |
| 07:50.53 | heparc_ | http://404past-it.fr/771, this is a scipt for my update who if my update are success, but i would like that if my update faillure, i'm bad in english sorry |
| 07:51.20 | oreo | alturiak: that's for a regex test though |
| 07:51.50 | nsadmin | no, that's the action you'd take if the test fails |
| 07:52.06 | nsadmin | or rather one possibility |
| 07:52.16 | nsadmin | one thing against it, |
| 07:53.00 | nsadmin | each time sed will go thru the whole file... |
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| 07:54.40 | alturiak | yeah, I kinda got the requirements wrong, I guess. I thought the file contains actual test-results and just needs to be filtered, sorry. |
| 07:58.13 | nsadmin | np, live n learn |
| 07:59.08 | nsadmin | how (under lenny) would I tell aptitude to not install the recommends in a particular install? it's threatening to install some gnome libs |
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| 08:00.18 | alturiak | -R or --without-recommends |
| 08:00.49 | nsadmin | well I'm runnign aptitude under its ui |
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| 08:01.31 | echosystm | has unstable been frozen for the next debian yeT? |
| 08:03.15 | alturiak | nsadmin: Options -> [ ] Install recommended packages automatically? |
| 08:03.23 | nsadmin | ahh |
| 08:03.24 | nsadmin | thanks |
| 08:03.45 | nsadmin | missed seing "options" menu |
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| 08:08.39 | nsadmin | ok, so I have packages to be installed from before I cleared that, so I guess I would cancel those so it won't install them, then try setting ekiga to be installed |
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| 08:10.48 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 08:12.18 | nsadmin | ok, good... did that, now to try installing this beast |
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| 08:13.34 | nsadmin | so far aptitude is a LOT better than dselect |
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| 08:16.03 | dgeary2 | where does the debian net installer get the ide_disk driver from? |
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| 08:17.34 | nsadmin | dgeary2: the kernel it installs |
| 08:17.44 | nsadmin | which is split into subpackages |
| 08:17.51 | gigo | i am not able to run grub command in squeeze. please help |
| 08:18.07 | nsadmin | gigo: why not? |
| 08:18.34 | nsadmin | (when you try... it says ________) |
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| 08:21.41 | echosystm | does debian stable have that autodetecting X bizzo? |
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| 08:25.23 | nsadmin | gigo, can't help unless you provide specific information. |
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| 08:38.16 | gigo | nsadmin, the grub command does not exist on my debian squeeze |
| 08:38.16 | donnie_brasko | why doesnt debian have krb5_util, with the kerberos package, what to use? |
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| 08:42.59 | minerale | I have a (30gb) tar.gz-ipped file that expands to 360gb. Is it possible to ask tar to create a sparse file on output? |
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| 08:45.39 | donnie_brasko | kdb5_util btw |
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| 08:46.02 | fender0107401 | it is possible, but i don't know how. |
| 08:47.55 | imganquan | c/ |
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| 08:49.46 | MNZ | Hi. I'm trying to export an nfs share from a debian machine and mount it on another. I export it with the rw option, and mount it and everything works, except that I get Permission Denied if I try to actually write anything. |
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| 08:58.09 | SpeedyG | hi, is it possible for debian (or hardware, dunno for sure what this is related to) to crash if a faulty cd-rom drive is connected by IDE cable but not powered on? |
| 08:58.57 | nsadmin | possible? sure. why? is it crashing under those conditions? |
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| 08:59.24 | SpeedyG | yeah, thats the strange thing |
| 08:59.35 | SpeedyG | I had this cd-rom drive connected with only the IDE cable |
| 08:59.50 | SpeedyG | and somehow my hdd kept giving this 'hda not ready for command' issue |
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| 09:00.10 | SpeedyG | now that i've disconnected it, I was able to start this box again (as you can see, since i'm online using that very same box) |
| 09:00.17 | SpeedyG | so this issue got me kinda puzzled |
| 09:01.32 | SpeedyG | and if it didnt give that error msg, the whole box just froze during bootup |
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| 09:04.16 | alturiak | it's never recommended to connect a data cable without a power cable, device reactions are not determined in this state, so it's not really a good way to look for errors |
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| 09:05.10 | SpeedyG | alturiak: ah, although i'm not entirely unexperienced, I wasnt aware of that :) thanks! |
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| 09:05.55 | visof | hi |
| 09:06.26 | alturiak | there can always be low currents transmitted over the data cable. it sure is an issue with s-ata, I'm not entirely sure if it affects ide aswell, but from what you reported, it might very well be the case :) |
| 09:06.29 | SpeedyG | and the reason the drive's power was disconnected is because the pwr supply didnt have any more molex cables left :) |
| 09:07.09 | alturiak | heh |
| 09:08.03 | SpeedyG | got 5 hard drives in it, and a fancontroller.. that took up all the molexes.. so if I want to reinstall it using a cd, I either have to get a second power source, or disconnect my harddrives ^_^ |
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| 09:09.41 | alturiak | that's what god invented usb-installers for ;-) |
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| 09:10.59 | SpeedyG | wonders if god invented them.. or some humanbeing lacking molexes in his box ^_^ |
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| 09:12.37 | cahoot | he works in mysterious ways |
| 09:12.50 | SpeedyG | absolutely true :) |
| 09:14.17 | SpeedyG | this morning he made sure I was creative enough to use some staples to fix a northbridge (or is it a southbridge) chipsetcooler ^_^ |
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| 09:21.48 | bullgard4 | ':~$ sudo ps -eo euser, ruser, suser, fuser, f, comm, label |
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| 09:44.58 | xxtjaxx | Merry christmas everybody! I had started a distupgrade to sid yesterday and wonder why it takes so long to generate man-db it seeems to run on constant 100 % of one cpy as it seems and merely looks like its doing nothing any info you can give me what its doing when dpkg says generating man-db ? |
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| 09:48.04 | alturiak | xxtjaxx: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=562518 - one way to get past it would probably be "killall man-db", but I can't tell what damage this might cause to the generated db |
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| 09:50.56 | alturiak | a fixed version of zlib1g is available in unstable, so you might want to install that first on your next attempt |
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| 09:52.52 | xxtjaxx | alturiak thanks very much |
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| 10:09.58 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 10:09.58 | dpkg | <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep. |
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| 10:14.09 | {g} | Hey People! One thing that I always wonder in regards to Linux is: When I install serviced like sshd, Apache, MySql they get configured so that they are always running. But most of the time I just want to use them occasionally and not have them running all the time. What do you guys think about this? |
| 10:14.57 | hoxu | {g}, that's not a debian question, but in debian you can use update-rc.d to make services not start by default |
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| 10:16.29 | {g} | hoxu: so far i do "rm /etc/rc*d/the_service" |
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| 10:17.06 | hoxu | {g}, which is fine, until you upgrade the packages and the startup links are created again... man 8 update-rc.d |
| 10:17.31 | hoxu | {g}, "The correct way to disable services is to configure the service as stopped in all runlevels in which it is started by default." |
| 10:19.11 | {g} | hoxu: yes, thats the problem. they scripts reappear when the service gets updated. |
| 10:19.37 | {g} | will try update-rc.d thanks. |
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| 10:21.12 | ultra | hey guys, i'm having some trouble with scp |
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| 10:21.33 | ultra | i have 2 webservers, for some reason only one of them is working when i ssh in through putty to the shell |
| 10:21.46 | ultra | but i can login just fine to the other one with something like winscp and see my files and stuff |
| 10:21.53 | Etna | does anybody know why when i load an x86 version of Seamonkey with a Flash 10 plugin in AMD64 Lenny, Seamonkey crashes? |
| 10:21.55 | ultra | i want to transfer a file from one server to the other |
| 10:21.59 | ultra | how would I do that? |
| 10:23.11 | hoxu | ultra, hum, I think winscp uses sftp, which is a ssh subsystem, so it's possible logging into a shell is disabled and only sftp is allowed on that box |
| 10:23.22 | ultra | i see |
| 10:23.31 | ultra | so is there a work around? |
| 10:23.42 | ultra | these servers are on the same subnet |
| 10:23.52 | ultra | and i dont want to have to upload the file from my local |
| 10:23.54 | ultra | again |
| 10:23.54 | Etna | but when i load a Flash 9 plugin into the same x86 SEamonkey, everything works fine? |
| 10:23.59 | hoxu | ultra, if you can log in to one of the boxes, you can download/upload files to the another from it |
| 10:24.07 | ultra | ok |
| 10:24.09 | ultra | i can login to one |
| 10:24.13 | ultra | and its the one with the file |
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| 10:24.19 | ultra | how would i get it to the other one? |
| 10:24.23 | ultra | sorry, i'm kind a newb |
| 10:24.26 | ultra | with linux |
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| 10:25.11 | hoxu | ultra, man scp, "scp foo user@host:/path/to/target/file" |
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| 10:25.11 | ultra | i tried scp |
| 10:25.11 | hoxu | !enter |
| 10:25.11 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 10:25.11 | ultra | it just hangs |
| 10:25.11 | RLa | why does mysql-server package depends on exim? |
| 10:25.11 | ultra | hoxu |
| 10:25.21 | valdyn | !why an mta |
| 10:25.21 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most UNIX(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. This includes things like cron and at (to give you the output of jobs) and various daemons (e.g. the init script of MySQL). The MTA does not have to listen to network ports so spam and security issues are largely irrelevant. Ask me about <nullmailer>. |
| 10:25.27 | hoxu | ultra, try sftp then |
| 10:25.33 | ultra | hoxu mind if i just pm you real quick |
| 10:25.37 | ultra | so i can give you the exact syntax |
| 10:25.39 | ultra | in private.. |
| 10:25.53 | RLa | oh |
| 10:26.04 | hoxu | keep it on the channel please, so others can advice you as well and benefit from the help you get |
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| 10:27.03 | hoxu | *advise :P |
| 10:27.28 | Dalsen | hey all, I'm looking at trying to get access to data locked into a proprietry DB on one of the windows machines at work from a linux machine on the same network. The windows machine has an ODBC driver for the DB, but surprisingly enough it doesn't install under wine (and probably wouldn't work terribly well if it did anyhow). I was wondering if anyone has had enough experience with odbc etc to know if I can access an odbc data source on a wind |
| 10:27.29 | Dalsen | ows machine from something like openoffice base running on a linux box? |
| 10:28.07 | {g} | hoxu: and whats the correct way to start a service then? |
| 10:28.26 | ultra | [05:26] <ultra> ok the file is on maxflops.com |
| 10:28.26 | ultra | [05:26] <ultra> at /home/maxflops/maxflops.com/BSS/[BSS]_Darker_Than_Black_-_Gemini_of_the_Meteor_-_12_[8583AD0F].mkv |
| 10:28.26 | ultra | [05:26] <ultra> i want to get it onto |
| 10:28.26 | ultra | [05:26] <ultra> maxrender.net |
| 10:28.26 | ultra | [05:27] <ultra> at /home/maxrender/maxrender.net/BSS/ |
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| 10:28.27 | hoxu | {g}, invoke-rc.d script start |
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| 10:28.49 | ultra | damn 8 lines is a flood? |
| 10:28.51 | {g} | hoxu: so far, i start apache with "/usr/sbin/apache2 -f /my/apache2.conf" because I use a custom conf file each time i start apache. |
| 10:28.55 | ultra | where did it drop off at? |
| 10:29.17 | RLa | Dalsen, there is unixodbc |
| 10:29.20 | {g} | ultra: just tell in a simple sentence what you want to do. |
| 10:29.22 | hoxu | ultra, run "sftp user@host" in the directory where the local file is that you want to upload... then "put filename" to upload it to the remote box |
| 10:29.44 | ultra | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:29.54 | ultra | i want to get it onto maxrender.net at /home/maxrender/maxrender.net/BSS/ |
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| 10:29.58 | ultra | the user for maxflops is maxflops@maxflops.com and maxrender@maxrender.net |
| 10:29.58 | hoxu | ultra, have you used ftp text clients before? |
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| 10:30.01 | ultra | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:30.28 | ultra | only limited hoxu |
| 10:30.58 | ultra | right now i'm logged in maxflops@maxflops.com at /home/maxflops/maxflops.com/BSS/ |
| 10:31.04 | ultra | now what would I do here? |
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| 10:31.20 | hoxu | ultra, sftp is basically the same... in the sftp prompt, you can use "cd" to change the remote directory to upload into, and "put" to upload a file... man sftp |
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| 10:31.44 | Dalsen | RLa, yup, and if I could get a nice .deb of unixODBC drivers for the DB in question I would be set :) unfortuantly the ODBC driver is only available on windows - or can unixODBC talk to the windows ODBC service over the network and pipe the data from the ODBC source on the windows machine to an odbc source on the linux box? |
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| 10:32.30 | hoxu | ultra, so you'd use something like "sftp user@maxrender.net", "cd /home/maxrender/maxrender.net/BSS/", "put filename" |
| 10:33.22 | RLa | Dalsen, isn't that how it's supposed to work? |
| 10:33.50 | {g} | is there a way to list all running services? |
| 10:34.04 | ultra | THANK YOU ! |
| 10:34.06 | ultra | its working |
| 10:34.11 | ultra | thank you so much hoxu |
| 10:34.16 | ultra | been working on this for an hour now |
| 10:34.18 | ultra | ^_^ |
| 10:34.18 | Dalsen | RLa, to be honest my experience with odbc thus far has pretty much exclusively consisted of the DBMS, odbc service and odbc client running on the same machine |
| 10:34.32 | hoxu | {g}, I dunno, but "netstat -nlpt" should give you a good idea; it shows ports being listened to and process names |
| 10:34.57 | {g} | hmm... |
| 10:35.08 | hoxu | ultra, no problem... but I recommend skimming through the manpage of sftp, it should prove useful |
| 10:35.17 | {g} | hoxu: guess i will check with "ps aux | grep apache" etc then. |
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| 10:35.49 | hoxu | {g}, or pidof |
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| 10:36.23 | Dalsen | RLa, looking at the unixodbc page atm I can see one non-free plugin that appears to support connections with any remote ODBC driver, which sounds promising...but looking at the odbc setup on the XP box I can't see any way of setting up a remotely accessable DSN - all it seems to talk about is accessing the ODBC source from the same machine |
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| 10:36.49 | {g} | hoxu: so you would do "update-rc.d -f <servicename> remove"? |
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| 10:37.14 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:37.27 | vmlinz | n |
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| 10:40.00 | hoxu | !tell {g} about rcconf |
| 10:41.01 | RLa | hm |
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| 10:45.26 | echosystm | does debian stable detect the xorg settings automatically, like newer distros? |
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| 10:53.36 | hoxu | !flw |
| 10:53.36 | dpkg | <scooper> my box has never been compromised |
| 10:55.25 | babilen | echosystm: that's xorg 7.4, right? |
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| 10:55.39 | babilen | echosystm: and: no afaik |
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| 10:57.08 | cahoot | http://wiki.debian.org/NewInLenny echosystm |
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| 10:58.18 | echosystm | can anyone recommend a good text editor with a file browser that shows a tree? |
| 10:58.29 | Dalsen | RLa, yeah the only thing I can find that would do what I'm looking for is http://www.easysoft.com/products/data_access/odbc_odbc_bridge/index.html - which goes for around $A1800 - a bit much for our small business lol |
| 10:58.34 | echosystm | seems like such a basic and mandatory thing, but im yet to find anything other than gedit |
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| 10:58.40 | RLa | echosystm, eclipse |
| 10:58.53 | echosystm | eclipse is too big to load every time lol |
| 10:58.57 | echosystm | i want something small |
| 10:59.02 | Dalsen | no one knows of an ODBC-ODBC bridge other than the easysoft one? |
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| 10:59.26 | RLa | Dalsen, what about jdbc-odbc stuff? |
| 10:59.42 | RLa | hm, no idea how to make it usable in your case |
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| 11:00.15 | optocus | hi |
| 11:00.32 | optocus | i am considering moving to debian as a desktop OS |
| 11:00.51 | RLa | Dalsen, http://sqlrelay.sourceforge.net/ |
| 11:00.59 | optocus | i am a developer and i have a separate dev server with a LAMP stack so i don't need LAMP on the desktop |
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| 11:01.14 | RLa | if you use db in openoffice then you can use any jdbc driver |
| 11:01.18 | optocus | my only problem is if this is a good choice |
| 11:01.20 | echosystm | optocus - install debian in a vm and use it for a month or so |
| 11:01.31 | echosystm | if you still like it at the end, install it direct |
| 11:02.19 | cahoot | optocus: what would be the alternative? |
| 11:02.29 | hoxu | optocus, you aren't giving us any details on your needs, can you really expect anything else than "yes" on #debian? |
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| 11:02.58 | optocus | except i don't want to wait a month. my only issue is with specific software versions that are older in Debian. I would like latest FF, Firebird working flash plugin (latest?) and audio video (including proprietary windows and quicktime formats) |
| 11:03.25 | optocus | so the question is can i install these relativelly pain free? |
| 11:03.30 | echosystm | no |
| 11:03.36 | cahoot | huh? |
| 11:03.44 | optocus | i considered using ubuntu but i don't like it. it is in my way... |
| 11:03.52 | echosystm | choose a distro with a repository that meets your needs |
| 11:04.22 | echosystm | but be aware, those with shorter release cycles are harder to maitnain (obviously) |
| 11:04.24 | babilen | optocus: you can install backported packages from backports.org or upgrade the distribution to testing |
| 11:04.55 | babilen | optocus: You can also easily compile your own firefox |
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| 11:05.24 | optocus | i see |
| 11:05.32 | cahoot | seems easier to just pull in the one from mozilla into /opt |
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| 11:05.39 | Dalsen | RLa, but I don't have JDBC drivers :( all I have is a windows-only ODBC driver :(. SQLRelay might be nice assuming I can manage to build and install it under cygwin :) |
| 11:05.53 | babilen | optocus: It is relatively easy to backports packages yourself if they are not in backports and don't have a plethora of dependencies |
| 11:06.28 | optocus | the reason i want to stick with debian is because i want to learn it well. i am ok with using the console as i have been playing on my dev server where i have debian, learning to setup a web server and such (i am buying a dedicated server soon) |
| 11:06.30 | echosystm | babilen, wouldnt it just be easier for him to use a newer distro ? :P |
| 11:06.51 | Dalsen | RLa, I was actually wondering if I could somehow get another better known DB to act as the middleman i.e. make a mysql db on the windows machine that linked directly back to the ODBC data source, then access that mysql db from the linux box |
| 11:07.03 | Stereo | optocus: there's madduck's book, although it was written for sarge |
| 11:07.20 | babilen | optocus: I would suggest to try Debian and come here with specific problems. It is quite likely that you will hear a "No, that's impossible with Debian" here (or elsewhere) |
| 11:07.45 | Dalsen | RLa, I seem to remember reading something about a way of getting mysql to just act as a frontend for another DB somewhere but damned if google will cooperate in unearthing that info when I actually need it lol |
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| 11:08.08 | hoxu | babilen, was that sentence missing a negative? |
| 11:08.10 | RLa | Dalsen, that's a good idea |
| 11:08.25 | Dalsen | RLa, yeah, if I can ever find that article again lol |
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| 11:09.15 | babilen | echosystm: that depends - if all you are looking for in a distribution are newer packages, then, yes, Debian is the wrong choice. But a Distribution is much more than the version numbers of it's packages and I would say that Debian makes a lot of things pretty easy (like maintaining a working system) |
| 11:09.32 | Etna | does anybody know why when i load an x86 version of Seamonkey with a Flash 10 plugin in AMD64 Lenny, Seamonkey crashes? |
| 11:09.34 | Etna | but when i load a Flash 9 plugin into the same x86 SEamonkey, everything works fine? |
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| 11:10.21 | babilen | hoxu: I guess there is a 'not' missing in there :-D |
| 11:10.29 | optocus | babilen: "It is quite likely that you will hear a "No, that's impossible with Debian" here (or elsewhere)" - I thought you can modify a linux to run anything that other linux distro runs... |
| 11:10.35 | jelly-hme | Etna: you can also try an older release of flash 10 |
| 11:10.55 | babilen | optocus: I was missing a 'not' in that sentence, sorry for the confusion |
| 11:11.04 | optocus | ok. makes more sense now |
| 11:11.08 | babilen | right |
| 11:11.19 | Etna | jelly-hme: where can i get that from? Adobe has been doing a very good job of hiding their download pages |
| 11:11.31 | optocus | i'm going to install Debian and learn to customize it to my needs... after all thats how you evolve |
| 11:11.56 | jelly-hme | Etna: that... is a good question. |
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| 11:12.15 | cahoot | optocus: there's a natural trade-off between stability and 'shiny new' |
| 11:12.23 | Etna | i already had a lot of problem finding their Flash 9 page |
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| 11:12.38 | babilen | optocus: exactly. If you don't like it you can try every other distro. I would also suggest to consider one of the BSDs |
| 11:12.50 | optocus | my main reason to switching to linux from winxp is because i am a power user and i reached windows' limits (there are so many programs for console that i think would make my life easier in linux) |
| 11:13.23 | Etna | optocus: i don't think you want to use BSD, especially if there are drivers you are concerened out |
| 11:13.51 | Etna | the one thing keeping me back from BSD or OpenSolaris is that my PCs and notebooks use an ATI CrossfireX setup |
| 11:14.02 | babilen | optocus: Have a look at the install guide and the Debian reference. Especially the reference teaches a lot about Debian/Linux |
| 11:14.19 | optocus | well, I have a joystick (Saitek) and I will run a game in Wine, plus Photoshop CS3. Also I will start using 3 monitors soon. |
| 11:14.22 | Etna | which is only usable on fglrx, and not the open radeonhd drivers |
| 11:14.34 | optocus | i already started reading it |
| 11:14.39 | jelly-hme | Etna: if you trust strangers on irc, http://fly.srk.fer.hr/~jelly/libflashplayer-10.0.32.x.so |
| 11:14.47 | babilen | Etna: That might be, OTOH it is still worth considering the alternatives |
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| 11:15.50 | Etna | jelly-hme: i'll just dl it and try...after all, what's the worst that can happen? :P |
| 11:16.12 | jelly-hme | Etna: I could gain access to all your data. Bwahahaha. |
| 11:16.18 | babilen | optocus: great! Enjoy the installation and the years to come :-D |
| 11:16.26 | optocus | thank you |
| 11:16.29 | Etna | babilen: well, having come from the Windows wolrd just a year ago, i prize driver availability over a lot of things |
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| 11:17.35 | optocus | except the joystick which i am unsure of, the rest of my system is compatible with linux. i tryed to buy hw that is compatible just in case i decided to switch and now i am glad i did |
| 11:17.37 | optocus | :) |
| 11:18.17 | Etna | my mantra is that i will buy any hardware i want when building my Pc and i expect it to work when i load any OS on it ;) |
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| 11:18.29 | Etna | that was why i stayed with Windows for so long :P |
| 11:18.58 | babilen | Etna: FreeBSD and especially NetBSD runs on almost everything ('Of course it runs NetBSD') and they are great operating systems and worth to take a look at. But this is getting off-topic ... |
| 11:19.26 | Etna | babilen: except for fglrx, which doesnt have a *BSD port ;) |
| 11:19.30 | Etna | but yeah, im going off topic |
| 11:19.42 | dutchfish | hi, after updating latest apt in debian squeeze/x86_64 apt-file update hangs at http://[your repo]/debian/dists/squeeze/Contents-amd64.diff/Index:, what happened? |
| 11:20.07 | babilen | Etna: radeon{,hd} |
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| 11:21.48 | Etna | babilen: not possible, the radeonhd does not provide crossfire support |
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| 11:23.47 | Etna | jelly-hme: nope, doesn't work |
| 11:24.10 | Etna | jelly-hme: still crashes my x86 seamonkey in an AMD64 Lenny environment |
| 11:24.23 | Etna | jelly-hme: seems like only Flash 9 will work\ |
| 11:25.01 | babilen | Etna: ah, you already said that. Must have overlooked that |
| 11:25.30 | dutchfish | hi, after updating latest apt in debian squeeze/x86_64 apt-file update hangs at http://[your repo]/debian/dists/squeeze/Contents-amd64.diff/Index:, what happened? after 5 min or maybe more i get Download of http://[you repo]/debian/dists/squeeze/Contents-amd64.diff/Index failed |
| 11:26.02 | babilen | dutchfish: #561852 maybe? |
| 11:26.10 | babilen | !dbugs #561852 |
| 11:26.15 | dpkg | #561852:G[apt] apt: Method http has died unexpectedly (undefined symbol:) (); Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:03:01 UTC [] |
| 11:26.29 | dutchfish | babilen, bingo |
| 11:26.41 | dutchfish | mm... |
| 11:26.45 | babilen | dutchfish: install apt-listbugs (and apt-listchanges) and you will not have these problems |
| 11:27.11 | Etna | looks like i will be keeping the Flash 9 binary from Adobe a little longer |
| 11:27.34 | Etna | its odd though, on a 32-bit brower in a 32-bit distro, Flash 10 works perfectly fine |
| 11:28.01 | Etna | but when i run a 32-bit browser in a 64-bit distro (with the 32-bit libraries installed), Flash 10 always crashes the browser |
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| 11:28.34 | dutchfish | babilen, looks like atm i cant install anything |
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| 11:29.16 | dutchfish | babilen, is ftp not effected? |
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| 11:29.36 | nano | how do i install GLIB? apt-get install ... |
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| 11:30.02 | babilen | dutchfish: I don't know. You can also install the previous apt version with dpkg from /var/cache/apt/archives/ with dpkg |
| 11:30.30 | babilen | dutchfish: But try ftp first ... |
| 11:30.37 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 11:32.54 | dutchfish | babilen, nope it is a mess, and i did aptitude clean already, because is was getting low on diskspace, can i manually download a fix? |
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| 11:33.06 | babilen | no! |
| 11:33.14 | shyam_k | i have a router with linux and busy box, often, the internet connection is not proper and then as i try telnet-ing to the router, i can ping all websites from the busybox shell on router. on the system, i can ping the router, and the isp's gateway (the server at their office) but not any other sites .. how can i check whether its router problem or isp's problem? |
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| 11:33.38 | babilen | dutchfish: the 'no!' was just my first reaction ... not an answer to your question |
| 11:33.42 | dutchfish | babilen, i mean manually download a fixed package |
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| 11:33.58 | dutchfish | babilen, if there is any already |
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| 11:34.06 | nano | oh.. it was libglibmm-2.4-dev |
| 11:34.08 | babilen | dutchfish: let's investigate this. But first: I really need coffee |
| 11:34.21 | dutchfish | babilen, take your time, np |
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| 11:42.44 | Etna | ok, just tried running an i686 version of Firefox inside AMD64 Lenny...browser can fire up, but Flash 10 still kills the browser |
| 11:43.22 | Etna | only Flash 9 works |
| 11:44.00 | Etna | its either Flash 10 has issues working in a x86 browser in an x64 environment... |
| 11:44.29 | Etna | or that's an issue in how an x86 browser makes calls to an x86 library in an x64 environment |
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| 11:44.51 | Etna | dan,g im feeling Flash deprived :( |
| 11:44.53 | ldp | I'm trying to set up LVM on one of my disks on Debian. |
| 11:45.07 | ldp | I tried to make a physical volume, but I'm being told that the "pvcreate" command doesn't exist. |
| 11:45.10 | ldp | :| |
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| 11:46.01 | ldp | In fact, none of the lvm commands seem to exist. |
| 11:46.06 | nevyn | ldp: install lvm2 |
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| 11:48.39 | jelly-hme | judd: versions apt |
| 11:48.42 | judd | jelly-hme: apt -- etch: 0.6.46.4-0.1 etch-security: 0.6.46.4-0.1+etch1 lenny: 0.7.20.2 lenny-security: 0.7.20.2+lenny1 squeeze-security: 0.7.20.2+squeeze1 sid: 0.7.25 squeeze: 0.7.25 |
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| 11:56.00 | MrTorque | What for is the --sport option in: iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 22 --sport 1024:65535 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT |
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| 11:56.16 | babilen | MrTorque: source port and #netfilter |
| 11:56.18 | badzo | hello |
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| 11:58.12 | MrTorque | babilen: but why do i need it? what's the difference to iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT |
| 11:58.16 | MrTorque | ? |
| 11:58.37 | ldp | Is ext4 stable yet? |
| 11:58.40 | ldp | On lenny, that is. |
| 11:58.48 | ldp | nevyn: Thank you very much! :) |
| 11:58.51 | babilen | you restrict the rule to packages that have a source port in the range of 1024 - 65535 |
| 11:59.04 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.07 | ldp | Yeah. |
| 11:59.12 | ldp | That's what I was afraid of. |
| 11:59.18 | nevyn | ldp: particularly the 4 week old code that is in lenny for it. |
| 11:59.20 | ldp | I wish Linux would support ZFS already. :( |
| 11:59.25 | ldp | nevyn: Hmm |
| 11:59.33 | babilen | btrfs! |
| 11:59.36 | nevyn | ldp: and I've used XFS for ever |
| 11:59.39 | nevyn | btrfs ftw |
| 11:59.44 | ldp | ZFS <3 |
| 11:59.50 | ldp | Is btrfs in Lenny? |
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| 12:00.19 | ldp | Since this is an lv, I'm going to go with ext3. :< |
| 12:00.49 | lmaowaffle | hello ladies and germs. I'm thinking about starting x automatically at boot (no auth required) but my situation is a bit unique. I'm used to using keychain after user login (whereby curses based password prompts for gpg and ssh passphrase appear.) I'd still like to retain this ability, and avoid gtk-based prompts as my .xsession file starts several terminals where passphrases should have already been cached by keychain. Is there a way to do thi |
| 12:00.55 | babilen | ldp: it's in the mainline kernel since 2.6.29.something - but it is also not stable and ready for production systems |
| 12:01.03 | ldp | Yeah. |
| 12:01.13 | xingu | ubifs/nilfs2 ftw! :) |
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| 12:01.21 | babilen | !btrfs |
| 12:01.22 | dpkg | btrfs is, like, a new copy on write filesystem for Linux aimed at implementing advanced features while focusing on fault tolerance, repair and easy administration. Initially developed by Oracle, Btrfs is licensed under the GPL, see http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org, not ready for production use. Merged in mainline kernel, available in 2.6.29 and later. |
| 12:01.26 | xingu | go on, do something different with your life, get away from these super-ufs's |
| 12:01.34 | MrTorque | babilen: if i run ssh on port 3232 (Router forwards this port to 3232 on the server), i would not need it, would i? iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 3232 --sport 3232 -m state --state NEW -j ACCEPT would be great, wouldn't it? |
| 12:01.53 | ldp | I think zfs > *, from what I've seen. |
| 12:01.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | other then apt-move is there a tool to move packages into a valid debian archive structure? dput/dupload/mini-dinstall all fail to do this for various reasons. |
| 12:01.58 | ldp | I haven't used btrfs. |
| 12:02.02 | ldp | Didn't like xfs much. |
| 12:02.15 | nevyn | I <3 XFS |
| 12:02.16 | babilen | MrTorque: you do not want to restrict the source port the the destination port ... and please ask in #netfilter |
| 12:02.20 | lmaowaffle | ldp: isn't that bsd only? apparently the fuse- implementation sucks? |
| 12:02.32 | ldp | lmaowaffle: It's very good in 8. |
| 12:02.40 | babilen | lmaowaffle: Debian/kFreeBSD |
| 12:02.45 | nevyn | but then I live in melbourne and can beat xfs developers with a stick :) |
| 12:02.48 | badzo | i am sorry to iterrupt, but after an upgrade to squeeze my debian stopped mounting ntfs partition in read/write mode. it mounted as ro, and then i wanted to change it so i installed ntfs-config. but it made things only worse, i cant even mount partitions as ro. what should I do? |
| 12:02.48 | ldp | lmaowaffle: Root fs support isn't there, but I use it for data, anyway. |
| 12:02.58 | MrTorque | babilen: okay, i'll ask there. |
| 12:02.59 | ldp | nevyn: What does it have over, say, ext3? |
| 12:03.06 | lmaowaffle | babilen: I didn't know that was still around |
| 12:03.24 | lmaowaffle | so freebsd kernel and debian userspace, right? |
| 12:03.24 | babilen | lmaowaffle: it's an official part of the next release |
| 12:03.25 | nevyn | ldp: you're kidding right? |
| 12:03.42 | lmaowaffle | how does udev and what not communicate with the freebsd kernel? |
| 12:03.59 | ldp | nevyn: yes. |
| 12:04.29 | ldp | nevyn: Honestly though, never used xfs much. |
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| 12:04.31 | ldp | nevyn: Don't know much about it. :/ |
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| 12:04.59 | nevyn | ldp: xfs is scalable |
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| 12:05.19 | lmaowaffle | babilen: are different archs taken into accound? eg amd64 vs plain i386 |
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| 12:05.31 | lmaowaffle | or is it one port for all archs? |
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| 12:05.45 | ldp | nevyn: Why doesn't mkfs.xfs exist, if I may ask? |
| 12:05.49 | ldp | I'm sort of new to this. :| |
| 12:06.01 | nevyn | ldp: it does |
| 12:06.09 | babilen | lmaowaffle: yes, there are. |
| 12:06.10 | nevyn | it's in xfsutils or xfs_tools or something |
| 12:06.12 | ldp | aha |
| 12:06.13 | babilen | !kfreebsd |
| 12:06.13 | dpkg | Debian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set. It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures. http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/ http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/ http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net. |
| 12:06.29 | lmaowaffle | cool |
| 12:06.35 | lmaowaffle | I'll head to that channel now |
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| 12:06.42 | lmaowaffle | oh wait, different network |
| 12:06.57 | ldp | nevyn: xfsdump, I believe |
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| 12:08.23 | lmaowaffle | the install guide for kfreebsd/debian suggests packages are all from unstable.. how will it be made a stable release in the next yhear or so? |
| 12:08.58 | lmaowaffle | both for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386. Given they are generated daily and based on unstable, they may be broken from time to time. |
| 12:09.09 | lmaowaffle | bah, this is o/t for this chan |
| 12:09.32 | badzo | !nfts |
| 12:09.36 | badzo | :( |
| 12:09.40 | hoxu | !ping |
| 12:09.40 | dpkg | Yes, hoxu, you are online. |
| 12:09.46 | hoxu | badzo, what are you looking for? |
| 12:09.55 | hoxu | !tell badzo about ntfs3g |
| 12:09.58 | badzo | i'll paste my previous meessage |
| 12:10.05 | badzo | i am sorry to iterrupt, but after an upgrade to squeeze my debian stopped mounting ntfs partition in read/write mode. it mounted as ro, and then i wanted to change it so i installed ntfs-config. but it made things only worse, i cant even mount partitions as ro. what should I do? |
| 12:10.35 | hoxu | !ntfsrw |
| 12:10.35 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from the ntfsprogs package (see also #508982 in the <BTS>). See also <user accessible ntfs>. |
| 12:10.58 | badzo | actually i have ntfs-3g and nftsprogs installed |
| 12:11.12 | lmaowaffle | badzo: which does fstab refer to? |
| 12:11.42 | badzo | as far as i know, fstab doesnt have anything to do with that. uit's an external usb drive |
| 12:11.52 | badzo | in ecth it worked out of the box |
| 12:11.59 | badzo | i mean in lenny |
| 12:12.26 | badzo | it's like, i think, hal taking care of it |
| 12:13.15 | ldp | nevyn: Is it safe to use XFS, even though the size can't be reduced? |
| 12:13.58 | nevyn | ldp: when does a filesystem get smaller? |
| 12:14.02 | ldp | true. |
| 12:14.20 | ldp | nevyn: thanks, xfs seems interesting. :) |
| 12:15.36 | nevyn | the anser is when you didn't have correct information for sizing scoping |
| 12:15.37 | hoxu | famous last words... |
| 12:15.40 | nevyn | which happens often |
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| 12:16.12 | nevyn | reducing the size of filesystems even where it is supported is Horrible black voodoo |
| 12:16.15 | nevyn | imho |
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| 12:17.44 | epsilon | resizing the FS/RAID-size is always a horror |
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| 12:18.37 | epsilon | can't even remember how many FS I killed while resizing even "it's possible" |
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| 12:20.21 | echosystm | whats the best way to make sure all your dev servers are only accessible from localhost? |
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| 12:21.36 | iceroot | echosystm: removing the network cable |
| 12:21.52 | echosystm | ok, how about with the network cable connected? |
| 12:21.53 | babilen | echosystm: scissors! The best tool for network security |
| 12:22.08 | babilen | echosystm: Block all incoming traffic |
| 12:22.15 | echosystm | with? |
| 12:22.22 | echosystm | iptables? |
| 12:23.03 | babilen | echosystm: for example ... |
| 12:23.12 | hoxu | echosystm, yes, use iptables, but you can also make many services listen only on localhost |
| 12:23.21 | echosystm | ok |
| 12:24.42 | babilen | echosystm: and blocking *all* incoming traffic will also mean that you can't really do much online with that box. But you could filter all incoming packages on specific ports (like http, ssh, ...) |
| 12:24.59 | echosystm | ok |
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| 12:26.22 | hoxu | hrem, you can filter incoming traffic that is not ESTABLISHED,RELATED by state... read some iptables tutorials |
| 12:26.36 | echosystm | ok |
| 12:26.37 | echosystm | thanks |
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| 12:28.09 | babilen | echosystm: yes, you probably want to play around with stateful rules .. ESTABLISHED,RELATED is a good start. Head over to #netfilter and ask for a good tutorial (or have a look at the website/topic) |
| 12:28.23 | echosystm | ok cheers |
| 12:28.24 | echosystm | will do |
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| 12:44.19 | echosystm | is it safe to burn a cd iso to dvd? |
| 12:44.55 | babilen | yes |
| 12:45.10 | f00li5h[HireMe] | I've accidently my whole user/group maps (turns out that the tar archive extracted straight into /etc -_-) |
| 12:45.20 | f00li5h[HireMe] | is there a way to get dpkg to un-fuck it for me? |
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| 12:55.21 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: backups? |
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| 12:56.25 | paissad-hp | damn it , i built a new kernel and during configuration, i used the last previous /boot/config-`uname -r`, but i have no more nfs support now |
| 12:56.38 | paissad-hp | Not starting NFS kernel daemon: no support in current kernel. (warning). |
| 12:57.13 | f00li5h[HireMe] | babilen: nope, i've nearly got the box configured (it is at the point where it's running shit, but not at the point where i'm done) |
| 12:57.38 | babilen | !reinstall |
| 12:57.38 | dpkg | well, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone> <debian clone> |
| 12:57.39 | f00li5h[HireMe] | it is the firewall, so it is live from the second base is installed ... so there can be interenets for others |
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| 12:57.55 | jelly-hme | paissad-hp: it's a bug in nfs-kernel-server package, just comment out the check in the init script |
| 12:58.11 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: ah, now that want help. I guess you have to reinstall ... and make backups |
| 12:58.12 | f00li5h[HireMe] | babilen: what the hell is that? |
| 12:58.23 | paissad-hp | jelly-hme, damn it, that's all :D |
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| 12:58.45 | paissad-hp | jelly, i built at least twice my kernels thinking i mistaken somewhere :) |
| 12:58.45 | jelly-hme | !dbugs 561674 |
| 12:58.49 | dpkg | #561674:I[nfs-kernel-server] nfs-kernel-server: Test for NFS kernel server support in init script doesn't work for compiled in nfs support (patch); Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:21:01 UTC [] |
| 12:59.02 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: a way to reinstall, but i guess you might want 'aptitude clone' |
| 12:59.08 | jelly-hme | paissad-hp: use the BTS, Luke |
| 12:59.18 | f00li5h[HireMe] | clone? |
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| 12:59.22 | babilen | !tell f00li5h[HireMe] -about aptitude clone |
| 12:59.34 | f00li5h[HireMe] | what a fucking wierd command syntax |
| 12:59.45 | f00li5h[HireMe] | isn't that the thing that the robot just said in here? |
| 12:59.51 | paissad-hp | jelly-hme, thanks |
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| 13:00.22 | f00li5h[HireMe] | babilen: is that going to handle shit that i've tampered with since? |
| 13:00.24 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: no, compare and you will notice the subtle differences ;-) |
| 13:00.29 | f00li5h[HireMe] | like things that were not answers to dpkg's questions? |
| 13:00.34 | paissad-hp | jelly-hme, what's BTS ? |
| 13:00.54 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: It will not contain your changes made to /etc (including those to the permissions) |
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| 13:01.16 | jelly-hme | !bts |
| 13:01.17 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges |
| 13:01.29 | paissad-hp | great |
| 13:01.30 | f00li5h[HireMe] | babilen: so, only answers to dpkg? |
| 13:01.35 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: the 'aptitude clone' procedure will just install all the packages that you have installed now and keep the information about which packages were automatically installed |
| 13:02.29 | f00li5h[HireMe] | so i'll be asked all the questions again? |
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| 13:05.45 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: you could create a recursive unified diff of /etc and apply that patch to /etc on the reinstalled system |
| 13:05.46 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: you will need a reference /etc though |
| 13:06.14 | f00li5h[HireMe] | if I had that, I could snag /etc/passwd and /etc/group and put it back ... |
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| 13:06.48 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: what is the problem exactly? |
| 13:07.09 | f00li5h[HireMe] | my gid <-> group map is borked |
| 13:07.23 | f00li5h[HireMe] | so exim can't send mail, mlocate can't update it's database etc |
| 13:07.30 | f00li5h[HireMe] | users are fine, services are humped |
| 13:08.16 | babilen | f00li5h[HireMe]: you could try fixing it by hand .. |
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| 13:09.22 | f00li5h[HireMe] | how? |
| 13:09.33 | f00li5h[HireMe] | I don't know what things need what g/uid's |
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| 13:11.20 | jelly-hme | f00li5h[HireMe]: install the same packages on a different system, see what ownerships the files in /var and elsewhere _should_ have |
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| 13:21.29 | rgr | sounds like a reinstall is his only option. manual patching it all is bound to leave remnant issues that bork his system at a later date. |
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| 13:22.30 | babilen | i concur |
| 13:24.36 | f00li5h[HireMe] | jelly-hme: intersting |
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| 13:26.32 | rgr | since if he installs on anothe system he has renistalled anyway. back up /etc first for config changes. |
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| 13:42.55 | alys | Has anyone experience with WD Velociraptor HDDs? Are they reliable? |
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| 13:52.04 | magesing | If a file has the permission string -rwxrwx--- adam gci, I am user magesing, who is a member of group gci. Why can't I delete the file? |
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| 13:54.48 | Wulf_ | magesing: can you access the directory? |
| 13:54.57 | iceroot | magesing: id magesing is showiing the group gci? |
| 13:55.15 | magesing | Wulf_: lemme check, I have read but not write permissions on the directory |
| 13:55.22 | magesing | iceroot: yes, magesing is a member of gci |
| 13:56.03 | Wulf_ | magesing: that's why you can't delete it. you'd have to change the directory |
| 13:56.11 | magesing | How do I set the default file creation mask for folders created inside a given folder with the setgid bit set? |
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| 13:59.07 | hoxu | magesing, I don't think you can, umask depends on the user's shell init scripts... you could set a system default though |
| 13:59.44 | magesing | hoxu: How does one set the system default? |
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| 14:00.12 | hoxu | magesing, /etc/profile |
| 14:00.14 | magesing | or, I could do it per user in their ~/.bashrc files... |
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| 14:01.01 | paissad-hp | aptitude show nvidia-kernel-source | grep Version |
| 14:01.01 | paissad-hp | Version : 173.14.09-5 |
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| 14:01.20 | paissad-hp | did someone of you upgrade himself to a newer nvidia source kernel |
| 14:01.24 | paissad-hp | a self build i mean |
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| 14:01.33 | magesing | hoxu: If I put a umask line in my user's ~/.bashrc will it override the umask in /etc/profile? |
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| 14:02.08 | paissad-hp | i have i matter when trying to install nvidia-kernel-source onto my own built kernel |
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| 14:02.28 | paissad-hp | maybe i need to go to a newer version of nvidia |
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| 14:03.42 | paissad-hp | i followed this http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#Buildmanually.2Cwithastockkernel |
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| 14:05.13 | babilen | paissad-hp: it might help if you clarify the 'i have i matter' bit |
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| 14:05.31 | paissad-hp | babilen, i was about to pastebin the log |
| 14:05.40 | babilen | good idea |
| 14:06.13 | paissad-hp | babilen, fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules | tee /tmp/nvidia-build.log |
| 14:06.32 | paissad-hp | that"s what i ran |
| 14:06.34 | paissad-hp | pastebinit -i /tmp/nvidia-build.log |
| 14:06.34 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f1251a130 |
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| 14:07.19 | paissad-hp | oh damn it, the errors are not into the log |
| 14:07.20 | RLa | i have installed apache and php module for it but i have one problems with them |
| 14:07.32 | paissad-hp | babilen, i pastebin again,:D, sorry |
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| 14:08.35 | RLa | when i access the script using directory/index.php then it works, but when i add no index.php file, it gives me index.php file without running it |
| 14:09.01 | paissad-hp | babilen, |
| 14:09.02 | paissad-hp | fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules &> /tmp/nvidia-build.log || pastebinit -i /tmp/nvidia-build.log |
| 14:09.02 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/fd2d632e |
| 14:09.22 | babilen | paissad-hp: paste that in english please |
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| 14:09.58 | paissad-hp | i often forget :s |
| 14:10.23 | paissad-hp | LANG=C fakeroot debian/rules binary_modules &> /tmp/nvidia-build.log || pastebinit -i /tmp/nvidia-build.log |
| 14:10.24 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f517f6792 |
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| 14:11.28 | hoxu | magesing, yes |
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| 14:14.51 | magesing | hmm -sh: umask: 2770: octal number out of range |
| 14:15.15 | magesing | man umask: no manual entry for umask... time for google |
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| 14:16.34 | Hideo | man chmod |
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| 14:17.17 | magesing | Hideo: that's what told me it is a four digit long octal number |
| 14:17.25 | magesing | Hideo: why i 2770 out of range? |
| 14:17.32 | princeofgiri | is anyone can explain me about different between alsa, pulseaudio and jack? |
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| 14:18.57 | Hideo | magesing: I've no clue |
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| 14:19.26 | Hideo | what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 14:20.42 | xyan | magesing: umask sets user,group,others which are the 2nd 3rd and 4th bit. im not sure what the first one does so 0777 will end up wihtout permissions for everyone and 0770 means full perms for others and no perms for user/group |
| 14:21.10 | Hideo | first one is suid,sgid,sticky |
| 14:21.12 | tuliohm | princeofgiri, jack uses alsa |
| 14:21.15 | jelly-hme | !permissions |
| 14:21.15 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://mywiki.wooledge.org/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions, or <qotd232> |
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| 14:21.40 | magesing | xyan: yup... I just finished reading in wikipedia.... I had umask backwards in my head |
| 14:21.58 | xyan | magesing: it is backwards its a "mask" applied to chmod |
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| 14:22.07 | princeofgiri | tuliohm, how about pulseaudio? is different function with jack? |
| 14:22.39 | magesing | xyan: what was messing with me is I have to use 7777 minus the octal masks I use in smb-conf |
| 14:23.09 | xyan | magesing: the first bit in chmod is sgid suid sticky w/e as Hideo said, you cant alter that with umask i think |
| 14:23.12 | tuliohm | princeofgiri, there is alsa, pulse audio, oss... |
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| 14:23.20 | xyan | so it has to be a leading zero or only 3octal numbers |
| 14:23.23 | Hideo | urm... you don't want to turn every bit on |
| 14:23.34 | tuliohm | they are a kind of abstraction layer |
| 14:23.37 | magesing | xyan: aaah ok, so umask should be 3 digits? |
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| 14:23.50 | tuliohm | between the audio hardware and the softwares |
| 14:23.51 | xyan | magesing: either that or 0ugo _) |
| 14:24.14 | tuliohm | princeofgiri, wikipedia can explain better than me... |
| 14:24.26 | tuliohm | princeofgiri, find alsa, pulseaudio and oss |
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| 14:24.34 | princeofgiri | tuliohm, to complex in wikipedia :) |
| 14:24.39 | tuliohm | kkkk |
| 14:24.44 | tuliohm | what's complex? |
| 14:25.58 | princeofgiri | tuliohm, complex explanation and my english not good enough :) |
| 14:25.59 | tuliohm | princeofgiri, what's your language and what you wanna know? |
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| 14:26.37 | princeofgiri | I'm Indonesia. I just wanna know the point about alsa, oss, jack, pulseaudio, because I feel fuzzy with that |
| 14:27.03 | tuliohm | hmm |
| 14:27.07 | princeofgiri | why I must choose pulseaudio? or why I must choose alsa |
| 14:27.15 | tuliohm | wheel |
| 14:27.42 | enzotib | there is an easy way to obtain, with aptitude, the synaptic function "missing recommends" ? |
| 14:27.55 | macrobat | pulseaudio is a layer above alsa, i think. people often complain about it. it is buggyand slow |
| 14:28.12 | magesing | princeofgiri: oss is old, people are trying to stop using it, but some old programs work better with it. alsa is the new way linux handles sound. Jack is a way for programs to send sound to each other, you don't need it unless you are doing some serious audio editing stuff. I'm not familiar with pulseaudio |
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| 14:29.20 | macrobat | alsa is the most common. some applications that you can make music with needs jackd. like ardour |
| 14:29.41 | tuliohm | macrobat, pulseaudio is a layer above alsa? |
| 14:29.46 | tuliohm | nice.. |
| 14:29.54 | tuliohm | i didn't know about that |
| 14:29.55 | tuliohm | :X |
| 14:29.58 | macrobat | no, i dont know |
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| 14:30.02 | macrobat | its crap |
| 14:30.13 | tuliohm | "applications using ALSA will output sound to PulseAudio, which then uses ALSA itself to access the real sound card." |
| 14:30.15 | macrobat | its some sound server? |
| 14:30.18 | tuliohm | from wikipedia |
| 14:30.35 | tuliohm | it's right |
| 14:31.39 | tuliohm | so, the final layer with pulseaudio will be software>pulseaudio>alsa>hardware |
| 14:32.05 | princeofgiri | hmmm |
| 14:32.25 | pozic | Every problem can be solved by adding another layer of indirection, except too many layers of indirection. |
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| 14:32.37 | tuliohm | :P |
| 14:33.22 | tuliohm | princeofgiri, macrobat ... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Pulseaudio-diagram.svg |
| 14:33.24 | tuliohm | here |
| 14:33.29 | tuliohm | take a look |
| 14:33.35 | princeofgiri | tuliohm, so, if I use jack, its replace pulseaudio? |
| 14:33.46 | tuliohm | no |
| 14:33.47 | tuliohm | wait |
| 14:33.47 | princeofgiri | tuliohm, ok. |
| 14:33.49 | tuliohm | let me see |
| 14:35.14 | pozic | Who comes up with these designs? |
| 14:35.37 | tuliohm | princeofgiri, if I understood, the jack and pulseaudio are different things |
| 14:35.44 | xyan | princeofgiri: jack is a soundserver like pulseaudio its not meant for normal ppl but for audio production where you need low latency and flexible routing |
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| 14:36.00 | tuliohm | jack doesn't replace pulseaudio |
| 14:36.03 | xyan | additional jack works best on a kernel with realtime patches |
| 14:36.14 | xyan | it doesnt not it is a soundserver as well thats what i said |
| 14:36.20 | xyan | does not* |
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| 14:37.19 | tuliohm | xyan, do you know why someone should use pulseaudio? |
| 14:37.30 | tuliohm | what he has that alsa doesn't |
| 14:38.48 | xyan | tuliohm: no i dont really, software soundmixing i think. alsa is mostly blocking so if you watch a vid on youtube with sound from a flash app you cant start a music player |
| 14:39.15 | xyan | some players like mplayer have a nonblocking playback mode and allow you to play multiple things at once even with alsa |
| 14:39.30 | xyan | sound on linux is just crap. stick with alsa if it works for you |
| 14:40.06 | tuliohm | xyan, yes, here i don't have problems |
| 14:40.17 | tuliohm | i can use mplayer, rythmbox and youtbe |
| 14:40.20 | tuliohm | at the same time |
| 14:40.30 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm getting the following error from programs like abcde: /dev/cdrom: CDROMREADTOCHDR: Function not implemented - what can I do to fix this? Thanks. |
| 14:40.31 | macrobat | me too |
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| 14:40.46 | macrobat | i think jackd cant be started when flash runs |
| 14:40.53 | princeofgiri | today, I just use alsa, but the problem still not fixed :) |
| 14:41.18 | tuliohm | what problem? |
| 14:42.12 | RLa | hm, my problem was because of firefox |
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| 14:43.29 | princeofgiri | tuliohm, you know, I try to plug in my guitar on line-in (in my laptop) and I hope the sound going out on my spekaer. but it's not. |
| 14:43.54 | xyan | princeofgiri: line-ins dont have an builtin amplyfier |
| 14:43.58 | nkuttler | princeofgiri: um, well.. |
| 14:44.00 | princeofgiri | but in Debian, it's going well. its only happen in new ubuntu :( |
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| 14:44.29 | tuliohm | ubuntu noo :P |
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| 14:44.41 | princeofgiri | xyan, when I use debian its work |
| 14:45.07 | nkuttler | princeofgiri: so just use debian, problem solved |
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| 14:45.07 | princeofgiri | tuliohm, hahahah... my friends in debian miniconf Taiwan also say that :D |
| 14:45.07 | tuliohm | nice one |
| 14:45.07 | tuliohm | :) |
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| 14:45.13 | tuliohm | kkkkkkk |
| 14:45.27 | xyan | princeofgiri: fire up alsamixer and see if there are any gain boost settings or such, or even if line-in isnt muted for recording/playback |
| 14:45.28 | tuliohm | it's not a conincidence |
| 14:45.37 | tuliohm | :) |
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| 14:47.15 | princeofgiri | tuliohm, do you know the distribution based on debian but focused on music? |
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| 14:47.35 | xyan | princeofgiri: ubuntu studio / 64studio |
| 14:48.07 | princeofgiri | xyan, 64studio not work well in my laptop :( |
| 14:48.10 | xyan | princeofgiri: see alsactl -h you can store and restore audio settings for your soundcard. why dont you store them on debian and restore those settings in ubuntutut? |
| 14:48.42 | princeofgiri | xyan, I use debian on different machine.. on my PC |
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| 14:49.17 | xyan | princeofgiri: heard of usb sticks? :) |
| 14:50.04 | princeofgiri | xyan, hehe yap. |
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| 14:50.14 | xyan | princeofgiri: also you dont need a disti focused on music. what they offer is a realtime patched kernel and maybe precompiled packages of ardour or whatever. you can DIY with a bit of effort |
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| 14:51.55 | hanshans_ | hi all! does somebody know a command line tool to get information about the length of a video file? |
| 14:52.12 | princeofgiri | xyan, it's seem I will use that on my laptop. but still running ubuntut on my vbox :D |
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| 14:56.01 | Hideo | hanshans_: mplayer with the -identify option perhaps? |
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| 14:57.54 | hanshans_ | Hideo: thx, should work, but not very confortable :/ |
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| 14:59.01 | ponyo | sorry, disconnect. bad gsm network |
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| 15:05.19 | tuliohm | hanshans_, mplayer -frames 0 -identify "video.ogv" | grep LENGTH |
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| 15:07.05 | MrTorque | i think i encountered a bug, while setting a mask with setfacl. can someone help me find out, if it truely is a bug. I get the following error: http://pastebin.ca/1727537 |
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| 15:08.18 | buckfast | I need help setting up the internet for qemu guest |
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| 15:08.37 | buckfast | i want both guest and host to have internet |
| 15:08.49 | buckfast | i followed the qemu tutorial but its not working |
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| 15:12.09 | Aquarina | hi, I made a .xml file to rotate my gnome desktop background. Sometimes images overlay eachother... |
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| 15:12.17 | aolko | hi ppl |
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| 15:12.58 | aolko | how to build own os based on debian?? |
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| 15:14.40 | aolko | hello?? |
| 15:15.03 | azeem_ | aolko: your question is sorta off-topic here |
| 15:15.15 | azeem_ | building a whole OS is not a support task |
| 15:15.23 | macrobat | aolko: maybe you can try lfs |
| 15:15.38 | azeem_ | in general, just customize your debian system and ship it in the way your prefer |
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| 15:16.09 | azeem_ | macrobat: lfs is not based on Debian |
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| 15:17.09 | aolko | nah...i tried. But its hard to find any install script for it...and customization of it is the problem |
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| 15:17.22 | macrobat | :) sry |
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| 15:18.26 | azeem_ | aolko: that's the problem with customization... there is so many customizations to choose from |
| 15:18.42 | azeem_ | so unless you are more specific, it is unlikely somebody will be able to help you |
| 15:18.43 | aolko | i mean own branding |
| 15:18.57 | azeem_ | are you a hardware vendor? |
| 15:19.03 | aolko | nope |
| 15:19.07 | aolko | OS developer |
| 15:19.12 | aolko | TapokOS |
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| 15:19.30 | azeem_ | you will have to modify the appropriate packages |
| 15:19.36 | azeem_ | probably debian-desktop related |
| 15:19.45 | aolko | i made first builds of my os on SUSE |
| 15:19.53 | aolko | and i think the debian is the best solution |
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| 15:20.24 | aolko | and BTW,is there a customization tool (like an UCK for ubuntu)? |
| 15:20.37 | nsadmin | lfs isn't based on anything :) |
| 15:20.46 | buckfast_ | I need help setting up the internet for qemu guest |
| 15:21.09 | buckfast_ | i want both guest and host to have internet |
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| 15:21.19 | aolko | maybe pppoefix? |
| 15:21.47 | pngwn | !tell buckfast_ -about qemu |
| 15:21.59 | hanshans_ | tuliohm: thx! |
| 15:22.08 | tuliohm | hanshans_, nops ;) |
| 15:22.09 | Hideo | more like tell buckfast_ about ask |
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| 15:23.33 | aolko | so...what about uck-like utilite for debian? |
| 15:24.17 | nsadmin | buckfast_: both guest and host are running on the same physical machine, right? |
| 15:24.23 | buckfast_ | correct |
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| 15:24.34 | babilen | buckfast_: which processor do you have? |
| 15:24.40 | buckfast_ | what would be the smart method to have internet connections on both |
| 15:24.46 | buckfast_ | p3 800mhz |
| 15:24.47 | nsadmin | under xen you had to make a bridge |
| 15:24.58 | babilen | buckfast_: ah right, i remember .. disregard that question then |
| 15:25.17 | nsadmin | but maybe qemu has a bridgelike thing already |
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| 15:25.57 | buckfast_ | bridge or maybe with tuntap? |
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| 15:26.57 | buckfast_ | host os: debian guest os: winxp |
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| 15:27.04 | azeem_ | aolko: we don't know what uck is |
| 15:27.07 | nsadmin | is it possible to get gimp to make a matte around the image (which is a small piece of text) |
| 15:27.14 | azeem_ | aolko: but there is no GUI-branding tool if you mean that |
| 15:27.17 | azeem_ | at least AFAIK |
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| 15:28.00 | rgr | nsadmin: create a new layer with that text tiled and stick it behind your image which has a transparent border maybe? |
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| 15:30.53 | nsadmin | rgr: do you know if gimp will automatically create a matte if you save as gif? |
| 15:31.08 | nsadmin | if so I need to set the matte color |
| 15:32.47 | aolko | so...maybe help me with dat? |
| 15:32.59 | buckfast_ | nsadmin, babilen: can you help? I tryed to set it up through the help of this page: http://qemu-buch.de/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/QemuAndTuntap using 'Possibility 0' |
| 15:33.07 | rgr | dont know as I'm not sure what you mean by "matte" in this context. I use Gimp a fair bit however. |
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| 15:36.08 | rgr | What do you mean by matte in this context? |
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| 15:36.56 | nsadmin | well the book I'm reading (Head First HTML) is talking about a simple logo right now, and saying that when ps saves a gif it also creates a matte around the edge between the transparent part and the non. |
| 15:37.12 | nsadmin | then, it says that since we |
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| 15:38.02 | nsadmin | are using a non-ffffff background color, the matte color has to be set so you don't get this "halo" effect around the text |
| 15:38.40 | nsadmin | so if gimp never creates a matte anyway, I guess my best move is to not bother with it? |
| 15:38.58 | buckfast | nsadmin, babilen: i think the problem is that i have set up the wrong ip addresses somewhere or the nics arent being forwarded |
| 15:39.22 | nsadmin | or (if I were doing this for production) would I go thru and do it moreorless manually? |
| 15:40.06 | nsadmin | buckfast: is the physical machine connected to a local lan you have set up (presumably with a gw that's doing NAT)? |
| 15:41.20 | nsadmin | the bridge setup from xen assumed it could use IPs on that lan (but there were other setup possibilities, including a NAT -inside- the host that wasn't visible to the outside at all |
| 15:41.31 | buckfast | nsadmin: yes, the host is connected to LAN |
| 15:41.56 | buckfast | is bridgeing method secure? |
| 15:42.13 | nsadmin | so if it's a normal bridge, the host and guest would have two separate IPs on that lan |
| 15:42.36 | buckfast | nsadmin: this tutorial explains bridging, can you take a look at it and say if its what you have in mind: http://qemu-buch.de/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/bridge |
| 15:43.03 | buckfast | i'll follow that tutorial if it is |
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| 15:44.05 | nsadmin | well yeah. that's what I had to do |
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| 15:45.26 | buckfast | i'll do what the tutorial says then |
| 15:45.32 | nsadmin | if you do the plain bridge (recommended for simplicity), then the qemu host and all the guests can connect to the bridge and use dhcp if there is a dhcp server somewhere on the lan |
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| 15:45.46 | buckfast | dhcp is disabled |
| 15:46.02 | nsadmin | so then you'd have to assign IPs manually? |
| 15:46.17 | buckfast | yes |
| 15:46.29 | nsadmin | nothin wrong with that |
| 15:46.36 | buckfast | :-) |
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| 15:51.14 | earthian | Hi, I am having a problem mounting a NFS share. I have it defined in exports but from the client I get error 111 connection refused |
| 15:51.34 | earthian | I can ping, telnet to the server without a problem from the client.. |
| 15:51.51 | earthian | so..i am quite puzzled on what to do next |
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| 15:52.54 | earthian | i am running lenny client and squeeze server |
| 15:53.13 | earthian | the client is my gateway and router... |
| 15:53.25 | earthian | also nfs server for other things |
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| 15:53.46 | Cerise | hi there |
| 15:55.07 | Cerise | i want to mount my samsung yp-q1 mp3-player using mtpfs |
| 15:55.28 | Cerise | but when i do "mtpfs /home/jerry/q1/", i get "fuse: failed to open /dev/fuse: Permission denied" |
| 15:56.26 | earthian | Cerise, add your user to fuse group |
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| 15:56.59 | ax-ax | i can't play embedded youtube videos in iceweasel, but the same videos on youtube is alright |
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| 15:57.20 | ax-ax | and if i enter flash settings, it freezes. How can i fix this? |
| 15:57.40 | earthian | what flash plugin are you using? |
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| 15:57.54 | ax-ax | hm |
| 15:57.56 | Cerise | mh |
| 15:58.03 | ax-ax | the standard one? |
| 15:58.13 | ax-ax | flash player 9, it says |
| 15:58.19 | Cerise | earthian: i did. i still get the same error |
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| 15:58.39 | earthian | then chmod 664 /dev/fuse ? |
| 15:58.42 | ax-ax | but in iceweasels add-on window it says shockwave flash 10 |
| 15:58.43 | ax-ax | :S |
| 15:59.04 | jelly-hme | Cerise: you have to log out and log back in to get access to new groups |
| 15:59.07 | earthian | I would recommend to reinstall the flashplugin-nonfree then |
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| 16:00.13 | ax-ax | earthian: doing that right now |
| 16:00.40 | tuliohm | ax-ax, probably you are using the gnash or swfdec flash players... |
| 16:01.12 | tuliohm | there is two versions of shockwave on firefox plugins tab? |
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| 16:02.08 | ax-ax | nope |
| 16:02.22 | ax-ax | interesting |
| 16:02.44 | ax-ax | i removed a swfdec package, and now it's playing embedded videos |
| 16:02.47 | ax-ax | but i cant pause it |
| 16:03.14 | Cerise | okay. |
| 16:03.37 | Cerise | i could do mtpfs /home/jerry/q1/. but i can't cd into that directory |
| 16:03.48 | earthian | Cellkill, |
| 16:03.53 | earthian | upz |
| 16:03.55 | earthian | sorry |
| 16:04.05 | ax-ax | tuliohm: i have one plugin under the tab, called shockwave flash 10 |
| 16:04.19 | Cerise | bash: cd: q1: Der Socket ist nicht verbunden (socket isn't connected or sth.) |
| 16:04.21 | ax-ax | but when i rightclick on videos it says flash player 9 settings |
| 16:04.24 | ax-ax | :S |
| 16:05.03 | rudi_s | Hi. I'm getting the following error from programs like abcde: /dev/cdrom: CDROMREADTOCHDR: Function not implemented - what can I do to fix this? Thanks. |
| 16:05.22 | ax-ax | what's the command for searching installed packages |
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| 16:05.30 | simonrvn | ax-ax: you have 2 plugins there, obviously. check ~/.mozilla/plugins /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins and similar places |
| 16:06.10 | ax-ax | ls ~/.mozilla/plugins gets flashplayer.xpt libflashplayer.so |
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| 16:06.45 | ax-ax | and one flash-mozilla.so in the /usr one |
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| 16:07.03 | dlafata | hi folks |
| 16:07.06 | simonrvn | strings libflashplayer.so | less ; look for the version |
| 16:07.10 | ax-ax | should i try deleting both and reinstalling? |
| 16:07.21 | ax-ax | or something cooler perhaps |
| 16:07.28 | simonrvn | only the one in ~/ should you delete if anything |
| 16:08.08 | ax-ax | well |
| 16:08.10 | ax-ax | awesome |
| 16:08.37 | ax-ax | i deleted the ones in home and now i can both play embedded videos and pause them |
| 16:08.39 | ax-ax | :) |
| 16:08.45 | Aquarina | is someone using splashy and grub2? |
| 16:08.47 | ax-ax | thanks everyone |
| 16:08.51 | simonrvn | np |
| 16:09.20 | earthian | I am having this information about my NFS setup: http://pastebin.com/d10df192 no messages appear on syslog |
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| 16:10.10 | earthian | what could be wrong? telnet to server on nfs port works OK |
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| 16:10.54 | Bohemian | how do i find out what applications are on what cd? |
| 16:11.17 | simonrvn | !cd contents |
| 16:11.17 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 16:15.36 | Bohemian | simonrvn: i can't find firefox on here |
| 16:15.52 | simonrvn | you won't |
| 16:16.00 | simonrvn | iceweasel |
| 16:16.08 | Bohemian | oh right |
| 16:16.09 | Bohemian | i forgot |
| 16:16.28 | earthian | :) |
| 16:17.18 | Bohemian | it's on a bunch of CDs. how do i know which to pick? |
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| 16:17.27 | earthian | CD1 |
| 16:17.41 | Bohemian | what's thunderbird called? |
| 16:18.23 | earthian | !debian mozilla names |
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| 16:19.07 | earthian | !mozilla |
| 16:19.08 | dpkg | [mozilla] a browser called "Mozilla Application Suite" that hasn't been developed on in a long time. Mozilla Foundation is focusing on Firefox and Thunderbird and ignoring M.A.S. There is a new project name for M.A.S. called SeaMonkey, use SeaMonkey instead of Mozilla. See also <Mozilla Foundation> <seamonkey> <firefox> <thunderbird> |
| 16:19.24 | earthian | !thunderbird |
| 16:19.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, thunderbird is replaced by icedove in Debian as of Lenny. Ask me about <icedove>. |
| 16:19.34 | earthian | Bohemian, icedove :) |
| 16:19.35 | Bohemian | open office is on CD1 too? |
| 16:19.44 | paissad-hp | i would like to execute a script (postinst) after the use make-pkg --buildpackage |
| 16:20.08 | thrashold | Bohemian: You don't have internet connection at the place where you are installing? |
| 16:20.10 | paissad-hp | do i just need to add the postinst script into the debian dir of the linux-source root directory ? |
| 16:20.18 | Bohemian | thrashold: just dialup |
| 16:20.46 | Bohemian | and what about vlc? |
| 16:20.49 | Bohemian | fuck this is complicated |
| 16:21.00 | thrashold | Bohemian: Does the PC have a DVD? |
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| 16:21.20 | Bohemian | actaully my gram may have a dvdr |
| 16:21.23 | Bohemian | that's a good idea |
| 16:21.29 | Bohemian | oh |
| 16:21.34 | Bohemian | no, just CD on the pc i'm installing it on |
| 16:21.37 | Bohemian | it's a pre 2000 pc |
| 16:21.40 | pm2 | Hi - Anyone familiar with courier? I'm trying to set it up to authenticate against an existing postgres db. The password is stored encrypted in SHA1. Is it possible for courier to authenticate against that? |
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| 16:23.09 | Bohemian | this is a nightmare, sigh |
| 16:23.27 | Bohemian | i just want to install the basics for a friend for their kids |
| 16:24.20 | Bohemian | and of course they want games |
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| 16:25.01 | Bohemian | earthian: vlc is on CD1? |
| 16:26.02 | earthian | Bohemian, I do not know. Check what simonrvn has suggested.. |
| 16:26.12 | Bohemian | i am and it has 542 hits |
| 16:26.17 | Bohemian | i have no idea how to sort through all this |
| 16:26.28 | earthian | ctrl+f vlc? |
| 16:26.37 | earthian | !cd content |
| 16:26.37 | dpkg | To find out what is on what disk, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the disk. |
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| 16:27.47 | Cerise | can anyone help me? i'm trying to cd into /home/jerry/q1/ - i did mtpfs /home/jerry/q1/ before. i get something like socket isn't connected |
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| 16:29.32 | earthian | Cerise, do you have the correct entry in fstab for /home/jerry/q1/ ? |
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| 16:30.27 | Cerise | earthian: er... no? do i need that? |
| 16:30.43 | earthian | good question.. :) |
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| 16:31.24 | earthian | what google says about moutning mtpfs ? |
| 16:31.41 | Cerise | i mean, it's mounted - "mount" gives me "mtpfs on /home/jerry/q1 type fuse.mtpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,user=jerry)" |
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| 16:34.04 | buckfast_ | nsadmin: well i managed to get the bridge working on the host system, the host has internet connection, however the guest still doesnt. i've set up a new ip address for guest and it shows up in the router too, dns seems to be working too as it gets the ip address if i ping a doman, however there is no connection. I tryed setting the host ip address as the gateway and router ip but neither of them work. I can ping router and host fine though. |
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| 16:34.25 | earthian | are there any informative messages in dmesg/syslog? |
| 16:34.39 | earthian | Cerise, ^ |
| 16:35.43 | Cerise | usb 2-6: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd mtpfs rqt 192 rq 1 len 1024 ret -110 |
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| 16:36.05 | Cerise | and some lines saying i plugged in a new usb device |
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| 16:38.10 | MrTorque | someone has a good and simple how to for setting vpn up? |
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| 16:39.54 | babilen | MrTorque: http://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/openvpn |
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| 16:40.38 | Cerise | earthian: oh, and i can see "Bus 002 Device 003: ID 04e8:5115 Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd" in lsusb |
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| 16:41.08 | chellomere | is there any debian amd64 installation cd with a new kernel, other than kmuto's? |
| 16:41.11 | MrTorque | babilen: this is really very short :) |
| 16:41.25 | rtaylor | . |
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| 16:41.43 | J_P | hi all |
| 16:41.44 | babilen | MrTorque: you asked for a simple one ;-) |
| 16:42.11 | babilen | MrTorque: Install openvpn and have a look at the documentation/examples .. also ask in #openvpn |
| 16:42.17 | MrTorque | babilen: i appreciate that! |
| 16:42.33 | MrTorque | babilen: how secure is the static.key? |
| 16:42.48 | chellomere | oh, never mind, the graphical installer appears to be working, but not the text mode |
| 16:42.51 | J_P | Is possible to create a file with name with "/"? I try something: touch '/var/www/x/c/test' but not works.. Are there how do that? |
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| 16:43.06 | babilen | MrTorque: http://openvpn.net/howto |
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| 16:45.43 | MrTorque | babilen: static key is exactly what i want :) may i ask you one more thing? why do i need this line: remote 10.15.108.(servers's X) (I assume server's X means the X-window port?) |
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| 16:46.50 | J_P | anyone? |
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| 16:50.17 | babilen | MrTorque: I don't know. I guess it is the remotes IP Adress. But you could also just setup the server and use any other vpn client to connect |
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| 16:51.58 | badzo | hi, where can i find libsane.rules file in debian squeeze? |
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| 16:52.30 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:52.59 | cahoot | (or man find) |
| 16:53.02 | badzo | cahoot: there is no loger file like this in there |
| 16:53.43 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:54.36 | badzo | thank you |
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| 16:55.28 | ragedragon | hello, how an HW watchdong can be configured to be use watchdog daemon? |
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| 16:55.56 | ragedragon | i start watchdog daemon, then perfom a kill -9 |
| 16:55.59 | ragedragon | but no reboot |
| 16:56.10 | ragedragon | the HW is correcty detected |
| 16:56.40 | ragedragon | cat /proc/ioports |grep -i WDT: 002e-002f : w83697hf/hg WDT |
| 16:57.20 | ragedragon | i can get the /dev/watchdog |
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| 16:59.40 | ragedragon | this is my syslog when i started the wdg daemon |
| 16:59.42 | ragedragon | Dec 26 17:18:37 Linux watchdog[4966]: starting daemon (5.6): |
| 16:59.43 | ragedragon | Dec 26 17:18:37 Linux watchdog[4966]: int=10s realtime=yes sync=no soft=no mla=2 |
| 16:59.43 | ragedragon | 4 mem=0 |
| 16:59.43 | ragedragon | Dec 26 17:18:37 Linux watchdog[4966]: ping: no machine to check |
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| 16:59.43 | ragedragon | Dec 26 17:18:37 Linux watchdog[4966]: pidfile: /var/run/syslogd.pid |
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| 17:01.38 | ragedragon | sorry for flooding :) |
| 17:01.40 | ragedragon | http://pastebin.com/m1a2f4bd3 |
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| 17:03.47 | Cerise | mh. i thought i could install the newest version of libmtp from source. apt-get remove libmtp7 will remove the packages rhythmbox and gnome. will i still be able to use gnome after doing this? |
| 17:04.30 | HackeMate | hello, the hard disk where i have my debian is too big, i want partitionate it, can i do it with a live cd without losing data? |
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| 17:05.41 | badzo | Cerise: IMO it wont close immidiatelly but it wont start after the reboot |
| 17:06.02 | badzo | but i cant be sure |
| 17:06.06 | nkuttler | Cerise: you should probably build a new package and dpkg -i that |
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| 17:06.25 | nkuttler | Cerise: or do you need something that's newer that sid's version? |
| 17:07.11 | dHL | Hey anyone got any suggestion on the best way to have to find the differences between 2 sets of directories and files under linux? |
| 17:07.36 | bzed | dHL: depends on what you want to compare |
| 17:07.55 | dHL | basically the idea is i have game... patched to a certain version... and i need to patch it to a later verion... and I want to see the difference/changes that have been made between the two so i can host the diff's over rysnc or something like that |
| 17:08.10 | Cerise | i want to install libmtp 1.0.1 |
| 17:08.10 | bzed | just use git :) |
| 17:08.17 | dHL | it might be quite a large set of data also (talking serveral gb's as it's a game) |
| 17:08.30 | Cerise | debian lenny has got... 0.2.6.1-3? |
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| 17:08.37 | xingu | !describe mgdiff |
| 17:08.38 | dHL | git to check for diffs between two different patches? |
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| 17:09.02 | xingu | !info mgdiff |
| 17:09.11 | xingu | hmpf |
| 17:09.15 | xingu | boots dpkg |
| 17:09.18 | dHL | :) |
| 17:09.23 | bzed | Cerise: and unstable 0.3.7, not sure where your 1.0.1 comes from |
| 17:09.24 | dHL | i'll google for mgdiff |
| 17:09.32 | dHL | i presume that was directed at me xingu ? |
| 17:09.58 | Cerise | bzed: http://libmtp.sourceforge.net/download.php says 1.0.1 |
| 17:10.06 | xingu | yeah, it's a dead end anyway; there's two xdiff's, and the real one isn't standing up in this context |
| 17:10.13 | nkuttler | Cerise: 1.0 came just after 0.3.7, are you _sure_ you need 1.0? |
| 17:10.33 | xingu | xdiff is either a very sexy binary diffulator which is the tool for your job or a lousy athena-widgets side-by-side diff tool (which isn't) |
| 17:10.59 | Bac9 | how can I open a msft powerpoint presentation in ooimpress without having it autostart and grab keyboard/mouse? |
| 17:11.12 | dHL | ooh I forgot to mention i need to do this "diff" between the directory "pre patch" and "after running" the patch on WINDOWS as this game is windows only... :( - after the diff though I would like to host the differences the patch implements of a rsync linux box |
| 17:11.14 | Cerise | nkuttler: well... i think so? mtp-detect doesn't find any devices; i thought i should update libmtp :roll: |
| 17:11.23 | xingu | dHL: xdelta |
| 17:11.32 | dHL | xdelta for windows huh |
| 17:11.37 | dHL | will check cheers |
| 17:11.38 | xingu | try your luck. |
| 17:11.54 | nkuttler | Cerise: try /msg dpkg ssbp first |
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| 17:13.54 | dHL | hmm intersting xdelta sounds pretty good |
| 17:14.07 | dHL | but willt he difference / cfg file it generates be compatible with rsync ? |
| 17:14.16 | dpkg | mgdiff: (xdiff clone), section text, is optional. Version: 1.0-29 (sid), Packaged size: 57 kB, Installed size: 224 kB |
| 17:14.58 | xingu | dHL: undoubtedly not. |
| 17:15.19 | xingu | dHL: it predates rsync for one ;) |
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| 17:16.21 | xingu | dHL: have you looked into rsync's --*batch* options? |
| 17:17.06 | dHL | not yet no |
| 17:17.07 | xingu | dHL: --read-batch/--only-write-batch= in particular seems to do what you want/ |
| 17:17.20 | dHL | will check |
| 17:17.28 | dHL | but then i'll need to get cgywin installed i take it |
| 17:17.43 | xingu | there's win32 rsync ports around the traps |
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| 17:17.55 | dHL | oooh really |
| 17:17.58 | dHL | nice |
| 17:18.07 | xingu | whether or not they're current enough to be useful... |
| 17:18.22 | xingu | no warranty express or implied |
| 17:18.29 | dHL | :) |
| 17:19.04 | jelly-hme | that's not any less you get with rsync anyway |
| 17:19.19 | dHL | indeed |
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| 17:23.12 | bzed | Cerise: hmm, the package is orphaned since some time, guess nobody takes care of it anymore... |
| 17:23.17 | bzed | Cerise: want to maintain it? :) |
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| 17:24.49 | Cerise | bzed: er... i could try. are there any guidelines for maintaining a package? i've never maintained a package before D: |
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| 17:25.45 | bzed | Cerise: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ is probably a good start to read |
| 17:26.01 | bzed | Cerise: and the 1.0 stuff is in ubuntu, so it just needs to be brought back to debian |
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| 17:27.07 | Cerise | bzed: thanks, i'll read it. what should i do after having read that? \o/ |
| 17:27.34 | Cerise | or does that document tell me what to do then? :) |
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| 17:28.02 | bzed | Cerise: read teh dbeian policy :P |
| 17:28.17 | bzed | Cerise: and then fix the package, probably take care of the bugs |
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| 17:28.40 | bzed | Cerise: for all questsions and requests for sponsoring, #debian-mentors on the oftc network is the best place |
| 17:29.08 | Cerise | okay! thanks~ |
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| 17:31.42 | xNinja | is there a debian lenny package for thc-hydra ? |
| 17:32.46 | xNinja | i mean thc-hydra for debian lenny |
| 17:33.21 | Hideo | use apt-cache |
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| 17:33.35 | xNinja | cant find it |
| 17:33.43 | cverde | Hi, I was wondering whether anyone could tell me the difference between `export -a` and `export -r`? |
| 17:33.44 | Hideo | then ... no |
| 17:33.49 | cverde | exportfs, sorry. |
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| 17:34.19 | bzed | cverde: man exportfs |
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| 17:34.48 | TrueDD | Howdy |
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| 17:35.29 | cverde | bzed: I looked that the man page; and although they have different explainations, I failed to see exactly what the difference between them is. |
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| 17:38.38 | dvinchi | hi |
| 17:38.39 | dvinchi | algun programa para bajar los videos de youtube ya en formato mp3??? |
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| 17:39.34 | babilen | !es |
| 17:39.34 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 17:42.43 | cverde | bzed: Ah.. Cool. |
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| 17:44.11 | dvinchi | hi, some software for download videos from youtube in mp3 format??? |
| 17:44.13 | dvinchi | :D |
| 17:44.24 | dvinchi | somebody can help me |
| 17:44.25 | dvinchi | ? |
| 17:44.32 | babilen | dvinchi: there is a firefox plugin and clive |
| 17:44.42 | babilen | !enter |
| 17:44.42 | PinkFreud | videos ... in mp3 format. |
| 17:44.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel. |
| 17:44.48 | PinkFreud | now that's a nifty trick. |
| 17:45.12 | babilen | PinkFreud: right :-D I must have autocorrected that question |
| 17:45.37 | PinkFreud | babilen: :) |
| 17:45.38 | dvinchi | hi, some software for download videos from youtube in mp3 format? somebody help me ? :D |
| 17:45.41 | Bac9 | how can I open a msft powerpoint presentation in ooimpress without having it autostart and grab keyboard/mouse? |
| 17:45.54 | babilen | dvinchi: I am not aware of any program that downloads videos from youtube in mp3 format. And I doubt that such a thing exists. You might be able to extract the audio though |
| 17:45.59 | macrobat | dvinchi: you got helped already :) |
| 17:46.02 | PinkFreud | dvinchi: A. repeating your question will only annoy. B. It can't be done. mp3 is audio only. |
| 17:46.17 | macrobat | there is mp4 video |
| 17:46.44 | babilen | math 101: 3 != 4 (even for extremely large values of 3) |
| 17:46.50 | AimHere | There are scripts that download videos from youtube in the appropriate video format, usually flv |
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| 17:47.12 | AimHere | Extracting the audio can probably be done with ffmpeg or mencoder |
| 17:47.41 | dvinchi | AimHere, the problem is the size of the flv? |
| 17:47.44 | dvinchi | AimHere, the problem is the size of the flv! |
| 17:48.07 | AimHere | Why is that a problem? |
| 17:48.15 | babilen | dvinchi: Do you only want the audio? |
| 17:48.21 | dvinchi | of sure i can doed this with youtube-dl and then convert to mp3 with ffmpeg |
| 17:48.29 | dvinchi | but that is not a solution |
| 17:48.36 | babilen | dvinchi: What are you asking for then? |
| 17:48.40 | dvinchi | ok? |
| 17:48.50 | dvinchi | i want only the audio |
| 17:48.59 | dvinchi | the video dont care |
| 17:49.12 | dvinchi | hi, some software for download videos from youtube in mp3 |
| 17:49.12 | AimHere | Perhaps you're accidentally converting to mp4 with ffmpeg, instead of removing the audio part of the file |
| 17:49.16 | babilen | dvinchi: Ok, it is not a solution. But to *what* exactly? And why is what has been proposed not a solution but a problem? |
| 17:49.42 | macrobat | dvinchi: after you played a youtube video it is usually in /tmp . You can play and dump the audio with "mplayer -dumpaudio" |
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| 17:54.46 | rgd | Hi, does anyone know when will lenny freeze? |
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| 17:55.08 | macrobat | it was frozen a year ago. rgd |
| 17:55.17 | macrobat | about |
| 17:55.25 | rgd | sorry, squeeze |
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| 17:57.12 | MoDaX | rgd: march in the best case |
| 17:57.12 | babilen | march IIRC |
| 17:57.20 | MoDaX | but probably later |
| 17:57.26 | babilen | !wir |
| 17:57.27 | dpkg | it has been said that wir is When It's Ready. See also <rsn> and <siyh>. |
| 17:58.09 | rgd | ok, thank you |
| 17:58.11 | rgd | I had read that in july was planned for this month |
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| 18:10.06 | jhutchins_lt | Need to figure out how to run nrpe on a server that I can't reach directly, although I can reach a server that can reach it. |
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| 18:23.01 | SQlvpapir | how do I chroot to an armel platform from a amd64 host? |
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| 18:27.32 | xNinja | the end/home keys not working just gives me ~ |
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| 18:30.56 | cusco | olha ele |
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| 18:32.58 | Aquarina | cusco, ;-) |
| 18:33.33 | Aquarina | I have squeeze box with a hiding to panel |
| 18:33.47 | Aquarina | sometimes the pannel doesn't show up |
| 18:34.08 | Aquarina | I have to get to it using ctrl+alt+tab |
| 18:34.09 | cusco | you mean gnome-panel? |
| 18:34.13 | Aquarina | yes |
| 18:35.29 | Aquarina | how can I debug what is happening? |
| 18:35.30 | cusco | rm ~/.gconf/apps/panel/* |
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| 18:35.34 | cusco | restart |
| 18:35.37 | cusco | :P |
| 18:35.49 | cusco | dunno, I just had issues on my pannel too |
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| 18:35.52 | cusco | that solved it |
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| 18:37.05 | Aquarina | would hate to do that, it's higly costumized and I would prefer not to have to go through all the setup process again!... |
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| 18:37.35 | Aquarina | cusco, are you using squeeze? |
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| 18:37.49 | Aquarina | gnome 2.28, I believe |
| 18:38.53 | Aquarina | well, I'm having a lot of problems with this instalation! |
| 18:38.55 | Aquarina | :-( |
| 18:39.28 | cusco | Aquarina: not at the moment, tho mymain box has testing yes |
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| 18:41.09 | Aquarina | testing is a great compromize, perfect for when you have other ways to do you work!... :-( |
| 18:41.58 | Aquarina | not that I can't work at all, but I just don't seem to get along doing all the customization I had planed for the hollydays |
| 18:42.03 | cusco | well, we got several servers running stable, thats where most of my efforts are anyway |
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| 18:42.35 | Aquarina | tks anyway |
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| 18:43.13 | jd4 | hi |
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| 18:44.48 | jd4 | could somebody help me? when i have installed debian after my windows i have seen that the grub has known which os had installed before. how does it work? |
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| 18:46.42 | jd4 | how can the grub identify the windows operation systems at installation? |
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| 18:48.17 | pb_laptop | jd4, there is a program (I don't remember the name) that detects operative systems in hard disk partitions |
| 18:48.26 | babilen | os-prober |
| 18:48.31 | pb_laptop | that is |
| 18:48.32 | babilen | iirc |
| 18:48.42 | jd4 | ok, thanks |
| 18:48.49 | jd4 | and how do it? |
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| 18:49.32 | babilen | have a look at the source, or ask in #grub about the implementation |
| 18:50.15 | jd4 | babilen, ok,thank again |
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| 19:00.33 | jd4 | babilen, do you know which window's file contains this information what the os-prober reads? |
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| 19:01.06 | encrypt | im using expect to telnet some host and execute some command.. how can i display/store the output? |
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| 19:01.32 | ratono | hi, I get an reverse image with my webcam philips spc 210 nc (0471:032d) and gspca driver in Debian Lenny, how can I solve it? |
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| 19:11.38 | kaeser_desktop | Sergio`, hi here :-) |
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| 19:12.12 | Sergio` | Hi! |
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| 19:13.07 | cmacis | Hi room. Everytime I go into a new folder the fileman opens a new window. How can I tell it to stop doing that? |
| 19:13.50 | nkuttler | cmacis: gnome? disable spatial mode |
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| 19:14.00 | cmacis | yeah, gnome |
| 19:14.34 | cmacis | how do I do that? |
| 19:15.04 | babilen | cmacis: It is somewhere in the preferences 'browser mode' IIRC |
| 19:15.09 | nkuttler | doesn't use gnome |
| 19:15.16 | babilen | me neither |
| 19:16.05 | cmacis | I can't find it in preferences |
| 19:17.02 | babilen | cmacis: preferences->behaviour->always open in browser windows (and get yourself some glasses) |
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| 19:18.04 | cmacis | thanks |
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| 19:36.36 | sony | does anyone know where w3m saves the downloaded files and how i can watch the download progress? |
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| 19:40.40 | sobersabre | hi. I am getting several emails into my gmail box, messages like this: http://pastebin.ca/1727715 |
| 19:41.02 | simonrvn | sony: 1) in pwd usually 2) go to the download panel, it should open automatically |
| 19:41.09 | sobersabre | they are backdated, and I don't see them in the queue of my exim server. |
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| 19:41.30 | sobersabre | it seems like something went wrong temporarily and it is fscked up ever since. |
| 19:41.40 | sobersabre | can somebody explain me why do they happen ? |
| 19:41.41 | kaeser_desktop | Any reasons special reason for mplayer to do not works in tty? |
| 19:41.54 | crissi_ | hello. i have the problem that i lost the control of the mouse pointer in x. how i can get it working agaon wiothout restarting x? |
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| 19:41.55 | kaeser_desktop | Or it's something out-of-the-box for mplayer? |
| 19:42.45 | sobersabre | crissi_: this may be impossible. did you try simply reconnecting it? |
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| 19:45.19 | crissi_ | sobersabre: i tried to connect an usbmouse but nothing happens. unloading/reloading psmouse kernel module doesnt help. if i start an second xserver the mouse pointer works normal. if i switch back to the first one, it doesnt work again :( |
| 19:45.24 | ctmjr | kaeser_desktop: what do you mean by does not work |
| 19:45.42 | sobersabre | crissi_: did you manually configure the mouse? |
| 19:45.57 | sobersabre | for the previous configuration of X |
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| 19:46.31 | crissi_ | sobersabre: no, i had only started a sdl based game |
| 19:46.49 | crissi_ | after it i lost my mouse control |
| 19:46.56 | crissi_ | after i killed it |
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| 19:47.31 | crissi_ | but it seems only lost the mouse control only for the current xserver |
| 19:48.08 | crissi_ | how i can tell x on the fly to reconfigure the pointer device for this xserver? |
| 19:48.13 | paradoxmonkey | I'm trying to install grub onto a usb key but I get this: "grub-probe: error: Cannot find a GRUB drive for /dev/sda1. Check your device.map." What to do? |
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| 19:52.35 | Scurz | hi |
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| 19:54.15 | Scurz | from a computer, I cannot ping other LAN's PC, even the router, the connexion to internet with the computer is ok (routes re ok, config is ok), any ideas why I can't ping (and therefore, I can't ssh from this computer to another in the same LAN) |
| 19:55.46 | symbolics | Scurz, your router may be configured to keep hide the hosts on the lan from each other. common in wifi nat routers |
| 19:56.08 | symbolics | err -keep |
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| 19:56.59 | sobersabre | crissi_: no idea. what version of the system do you have ? maybe it's a known issue with a workaround, look at sdl resources... |
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| 19:57.21 | crissi_ | sobersabre: debian lenny |
| 19:58.04 | crissi_ | i started the game again but no success to get the control back on this xserver |
| 19:58.10 | sobersabre | crissi_: I hope your proxy doesn't cut off google, since my google shows this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8554661 |
| 19:58.27 | crissi_ | wait.. i'll look there |
| 19:58.30 | loXx | happy christmas! on lenny, which flashplayer do you prefer: the one from backports or debian-multimedia? do they get security updates? |
| 19:58.30 | symbolics | Scurz, or theres something wrong with your routes |
| 19:59.49 | pipeline | crissi_: always use /dev/input/mice as your pointer |
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| 20:00.07 | pipeline | crissi_: /dev/input/mice is a pseudo-device provided by the kernel - it aggregates all the pointers |
| 20:00.16 | pipeline | crissi_: so if you change what's plugged in, X doesn't have to know about it |
| 20:00.23 | pipeline | crissi_: it will "just work" |
| 20:00.44 | sobersabre | crissi_: omit xfree86-dga is the trick as it seems (in xorg.conf) |
| 20:01.20 | crissi_ | if i use a second xserver the pointer works there... only in the first it went broken. |
| 20:01.40 | sobersabre | pipeline: it's a somehow known issue with SDL. if DGA extension is initialized and the SDL program tries to use it, some mess occurs. |
| 20:02.02 | crissi_ | how i can force x to look for the pointer devices afain? |
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| 20:03.03 | Scurz | symbolics: mmm, http://pastebin.ca/1727725 (only look wlan1) |
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| 20:03.18 | pipeline | sobersabre: ugh DGA is useless |
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| 20:03.52 | chron_ | is it possible to mount a filesystem over root partition / ? |
| 20:06.20 | symbolics | Scurz, my first guess would be that you need to remove the first eth0 route. if you're not using eth0 you can just ifconfig eth0 down |
| 20:06.49 | jceb | hipodilski, I'm looking for a sponsor who is willing to upload the pastbin package I created -> Bug 451937. Is there anyone interested? |
| 20:07.11 | Scurz | symbolics: of course, going to do it |
| 20:07.27 | Scurz | symbolics: done |
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| 20:07.38 | Scurz | symbolics: oh, it works! |
| 20:07.54 | Scurz | symbolics: thanks (by a ifconfig wlan1 down) |
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| 20:10.04 | jceb | s/hipodilski/hi/ |
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| 20:18.50 | babilen | jceb: #debian-mentors@OFTC |
| 20:19.33 | jceb | babilen, thx |
| 20:21.21 | crissi_ | hm.. no any ideas how i can get my mouse pointer moving again? using 'od /dev/input/mice' gives output if i move the mouse |
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| 20:29.35 | buckfast | babilen: maybe you can help |
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| 20:29.47 | buckfast | i managed to get the bridge working on the host system, the host has internet connection, however the guest still doesnt. i've set up a new ip address for guest and it shows up in the router too, dns seems to be working too as it gets the ip address if i ping a doman, however there is no connection. I tryed setting the host ip address as the gateway and router ip but neither of them work. I can ping router and host fine though. |
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| 20:30.12 | buckfast | still messing with qemu |
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| 20:31.36 | xxtjax | Hidiho Just distupgraded to sid and xorg isnt working what could be the reason for xorg to say no screens found? |
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| 20:36.01 | jon2 | hi there |
| 20:36.09 | buckfast | hi here |
| 20:36.13 | xxtjax | Hi therwe |
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| 20:38.52 | jon2 | can anyone tell me (simple) how I can resize (shrink) my encrypted lvm (I want to have some free space to make a new partition and try around with some other distros; virtualbox won't get me where I want to be) |
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| 20:50.03 | loXx | !adobe flash |
| 20:50.03 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 20:50.47 | babilen | !tell loXx -about selftell |
| 20:51.37 | babilen | buckfast: Sorry, not much time right now and no idea right now |
| 20:52.05 | babilen | -right now ;-) |
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| 20:52.56 | loXx | :-) |
| 20:53.53 | rerushg | Hi folks. This is a grim one. Is there any way to recover deleted files on an ext3 partition? |
| 20:54.32 | jon2 | buckfast: mozilla-swfdec (dunno how the package is called correctly) also provides flash |
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| 20:55.24 | babilen | rerushg: backups? if none are there: stop using the partition *immediately* and create an image of it |
| 20:56.01 | babilen | !tell rerushg -about undelete |
| 20:56.36 | buckfast | jon2: i think your message was meant for someone else? |
| 20:56.48 | jon2 | mmh didn |
| 20:56.53 | buckfast | ? |
| 20:57.04 | jon2 | 't get who it was (thought you were) who asked about flash? |
| 20:57.27 | loXx | smiles |
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| 20:59.07 | rerushg | babilen: no backups. Got the link from the bot. Thanks much. (Wouldn't be so bad if it was, say Homeland Security stuff but this is my daughter's stuff. I'm USC) |
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| 21:00.48 | babilen | rerushg: contact the nearest three-letter-agency, they might have recent backups |
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| 21:01.14 | babilen | rerushg: the important thing is to stop using the system ASAP so the data is not overwritten |
| 21:02.11 | babilen | rerushg: you can then restore the files from an image. This is actually how computer forensics work too ... adopt their techniques. |
| 21:03.27 | AimHere | Note that digging files out of a broken partition is likely to be tedious, time consuming, and unsuccessful. |
| 21:03.48 | AimHere | You might want to consider if the files are worth the effort |
| 21:03.49 | rerushg | babilen: I did have enough sense to unmount it asap. Don't understand "image" though. Google? |
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| 21:04.11 | babilen | rerushg: have a look at dd - think ISO image |
| 21:04.14 | AimHere | By 'image', he means make a copy of the raw data |
| 21:04.40 | rerushg | Oh... as in ISO image.... got it. |
| 21:05.06 | babilen | rerushg: dd creates copies of the raw data from a given input file. 'dd if=/dev/sda1 of=image' or something like that |
| 21:05.35 | babilen | and as AimHere has pointed out, you might not have much luck |
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| 21:05.44 | AimHere | If it's a biiig partition, that might not be practical, but the computer forensic tools might be able to dig files out of it anyways |
| 21:06.10 | cmacis | Consider this a visit from the backup fairies. We've all lost data at some point |
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| 21:06.56 | babilen | rerushg: http://www.sleuthkit.org/ |
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| 21:07.35 | rerushg | I understand slim chance. It's my first visit from the BU fairies. The finger is quicker than the brain... |
| 21:07.42 | babilen | rerushg: but I don't think that you really want to spend that much time on it. But it could be fun |
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| 21:08.20 | AimHere | Another couple of episodes like this, then you get the adrenalin hit when typing 'rm -rf' and that should keep you honest |
| 21:08.56 | AimHere | Pavlovian conditioning is all part of the Unix learning curve |
| 21:09.06 | rerushg | babilen: I'll give it a shot somehow. That partition is offline now and fstab changed to keep it that way. No big hurry. |
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| 21:11.02 | rerushg | AimHere: I know about 'rm -rf' :) . Problem here was just moving files around in maintenance mode a blew the file name by one character. The rest is backup infamy. |
| 21:11.25 | rerushg | 'and blew' |
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| 21:22.40 | esteeven | hello. how do I install "emerald" in debian ... I can't find it in the repositories for testing. thanks |
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| 21:25.47 | dondelelcaro | esteeven: I don't know what emerald is, but whatever it is, we don't have it packaged |
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| 21:26.11 | cmacis | compile the source from their website? |
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| 21:26.46 | esteeven | dondelelcaro: it's a window decorator that can be used with compiz |
| 21:27.39 | esteeven | cmacis: yes. I think I'll have to look into this. I thought there might be a repository. I can't find one. |
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| 21:54.46 | n-iCe | hi how do I activate my wlan0 interface |
| 21:55.03 | n-iCe | when I use iwlist scan, says network is down |
| 21:55.25 | amd64 | hi guys, how can i have multiple debian servers spool cron warning emails through a master debian running exim? |
| 21:55.46 | zevlag | How can remotely wipe a system I have root access to? the system is about to repurposed and sold. |
| 21:56.34 | PinkFreud | you can't. |
| 21:56.44 | mjt | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M oflag=direct |
| 21:56.47 | mjt | and it's gone |
| 21:57.02 | PinkFreud | mjt: wrong. the OS will crash before that completes. |
| 21:57.08 | mjt | no |
| 21:57.20 | PinkFreud | he'll still have data on that disk. |
| 21:57.22 | mjt | provided there's not much other activity |
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| 21:57.32 | zevlag | There is practically no activity |
| 21:57.38 | zevlag | I can kill all services |
| 21:57.41 | mjt | that's true, but the value of that data is very small |
| 21:57.46 | cmacis | Best bet would be to get physical access, right? |
| 21:57.47 | PinkFreud | zevlag: won't work. |
| 21:58.07 | PinkFreud | mjt: who are you to say how much data he has and how valuable it may be? |
| 21:58.12 | mjt | people use shred to wipe disks the cryptographical way |
| 21:58.28 | mjt | PinkFreud: are you saying about zeros vs random or what? |
| 21:58.36 | PinkFreud | zevlag: to do it right, you want to be at the console, booted from alternative media (a cd works) |
| 21:58.51 | mjt | even shred will work remotely |
| 21:58.57 | mjt | but that's very long process |
| 21:59.01 | cmacis | debian now has a live cd, I hear |
| 21:59.11 | zevlag | that's what I thought, but I was hoping for a way to do it remotely |
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| 21:59.32 | cmacis | drinks EnergyCoffee |
| 21:59.39 | amd64 | zevlag - how about just re-trashing it with bogus data and do a plain format? |
| 21:59.47 | PinkFreud | zevlag: as long as you're not running the OS or any processes from the disk being wiped, you can make sure the wipe completes. |
| 21:59.54 | EnergyCoffee | :o |
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| 22:00.22 | zevlag | hmm, so how would I go about change rooting to a ramdisk |
| 22:00.23 | zevlag | then wiping? |
| 22:00.24 | PinkFreud | depending on how paranoid you are, and what kind of data is on that hdd, you may want to consider doing alternating passes of all zeroes and random data. |
| 22:00.44 | zevlag | I'm not too paranoid at this point, just want a single wipe |
| 22:00.57 | n-iCe | hi how do I acitvate iwconfig wlan0, when I use iwlist scan says wlan0 network is down |
| 22:00.58 | cmacis | If you're /really/ paranoid then you can kill the hd and install a new one:P |
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| 22:01.12 | PinkFreud | zevlag: that's fine. you'll still need to boot off alternate media, though. |
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| 22:02.08 | zevlag | PinkFreud: There's no way to change root to a ramdisk and wipe without booting from alternate media? |
| 22:02.08 | PinkFreud | if you want something easy that someone at the console can do, point them at www.dban.org |
| 22:02.11 | mjt | it's amazing how persistent people can be in their mistakes... |
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| 22:02.18 | zevlag | PinkFreud: |
| 22:02.24 | zevlag | PinkFreud: I know about dban |
| 22:02.34 | zevlag | but it means I have to boot from alternate media |
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| 22:02.40 | PinkFreud | zevlag: yep. |
| 22:02.42 | zevlag | and I don't have physicall access to the box |
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| 22:02.59 | PinkFreud | zevlag: chroot changes the root directory for a single process. |
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| 22:03.18 | zevlag | Is there any way of loading dban into grub and loading it config to automatically run dban? |
| 22:03.28 | PinkFreud | zevlag: it will not change the root directory for your OS. you'll still have mounted partitions from the drive. |
| 22:04.04 | PinkFreud | what do you think will occur when the filesystems on those partitions are wiped while they're mounted, and the partition table itself disappears? |
| 22:04.38 | PinkFreud | zevlag: again - if you want this process to complete, you need to run it off alternative media. |
| 22:05.04 | zevlag | I can't load the OS into a RAM disk, reading from the physical drive? |
| 22:05.07 | PinkFreud | cdrom, external or secondary hdd, flash drive, etc. |
| 22:05.31 | PinkFreud | in theory, you can, but you'd need to make sure that nothing is using the disk being wiped. |
| 22:05.53 | PinkFreud | is there something stopping you from getting to the console of the machine? |
| 22:06.02 | zevlag | There about 500 miles |
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| 22:06.19 | PinkFreud | zevlag: how about having someonoe local do it? |
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| 22:06.58 | zevlag | not conveniently |
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| 22:07.42 | PinkFreud | a remote wipe off of ramdisk only will be difficult to set up, and will almost certainly fail |
| 22:07.56 | PinkFreud | a remote wipe running from the drive being wiped *will* fail. |
| 22:08.24 | PinkFreud | so you might be better off inconveniencing yourself slightly to get someone to the console of that machine with a dban cd. |
| 22:08.24 | zevlag | ok, i guess I'll figure something else out |
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| 22:09.22 | PinkFreud | mjt: and I agree with your statement - just not at who you were aiming it at. :) |
| 22:09.58 | amd64 | hi guys, how can i have multiple debian servers spool cron warning emails through a master debian running exim? |
| 22:10.01 | valdyn | amd64: man crontab? |
| 22:10.07 | amd64 | basically, how do i change the default sendmail to spool through a 3rd server |
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| 22:10.31 | valdyn | amd64: thats confusing |
| 22:10.37 | n-iCe | Ya estoy en Debian :) |
| 22:10.56 | valdyn | amd64: do you want to send *all* mail via a smarthost or do you only want to send cron mail elsewhere? |
| 22:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh? Why should wiping a life system "won't work'? |
| 22:11.14 | amd64 | valdyn - all mail through a smarthost |
| 22:11.24 | valdyn | amd64: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 22:11.33 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: scroll up |
| 22:11.36 | babilen | amd64: reconfigure exim4 -> smarthost |
| 22:11.48 | f3ar007 | if i have samba and i want it to start at boot time do i simply create a symlink to /etc/init.d/samba then run update-rc.d? |
| 22:12.13 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: see what I said above about wiping the contents of a filesysten and the partition table itself while those filesystems are still mounted. |
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| 22:12.17 | amd64 | babilen: i wanted to save the hassle of installing exim on the other servers |
| 22:12.18 | PinkFreud | it will not end well. |
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| 22:12.26 | valdyn | amd64: youre not specific in what you want yet. |
| 22:12.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, you said the "os will crash" |
| 22:12.35 | valdyn | amd64: so some important parts are missing in this |
| 22:12.54 | babilen | amd64: If you want another server to act as smarthost you will have to install a mailserver there. Or how do you thought this works? |
| 22:12.55 | PinkFreud | nor will it complete. there will still be data on the disk when the OS in question goes. |
| 22:13.11 | valdyn | amd64: like -> cron sending to "root@localhost" will just not use the smarthost |
| 22:13.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | not true |
| 22:13.29 | PinkFreud | don't believe me? think I'm wrong? It's easy to test. Install debian on a spare machine, or even a VM, and try wiping it while running. |
| 22:13.38 | amd64 | valdyn: i have exim installed and set up on server1 and sendmail installed on servers2-5. i want servers2-5 cron mails through my exim |
| 22:13.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | I might do that... |
| 22:14.10 | PinkFreud | go for it. please, prove me wrong. :) |
| 22:14.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't see any reason why that should fail |
| 22:14.15 | amd64 | valdyn - i use MAILTO=root@centerserver on all 5 servers |
| 22:14.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I know you're wrong :) |
| 22:14.30 | mjt | CutMeOwnThroat: there's no reason indeed |
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| 22:14.50 | valdyn | amd64: why the hell "sendmail" |
| 22:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... lets say I very strongly believe so |
| 22:14.54 | mjt | CutMeOwnThroat: when done right - that is, not let the kernel to read new files from disk etc |
| 22:14.59 | valdyn | amd64: ( the most complex webserver ) |
| 22:15.02 | PinkFreud | mjt: of course, you'll be content to sit there and snipe rather than proving me wrong. |
| 22:15.05 | taras | CutMeOwnThroat: boo |
| 22:15.20 | valdyn | amd64: ( the most complex mailserver ) |
| 22:15.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | taras, bø |
| 22:15.42 | valdyn | amd64: your MAILTO is all you need. |
| 22:15.59 | PinkFreud | mjt: keep in mind that debian uses udev by default. what do you think udev will do when it's supporting data no longer exists? |
| 22:16.04 | babilen | amd64: I don't get it. You removed exim from the 2-5 and installed sendmail? Well, then just configure sendmail to use server 1 as smarthost |
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| 22:16.23 | PinkFreud | mjt: please try to remember - wiping the disk in the aforementioned manner uses udev. |
| 22:16.26 | mYcYnKa | drasti |
| 22:16.26 | mYcYnKa | :D |
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| 22:16.32 | PinkFreud | also consider that udev is part of the kernel. |
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| 22:16.40 | chrisw_ | hi all, I need to run "httpd -X", how can I do this with debian's packaging of apache? |
| 22:16.56 | mYcYnKa | ko praite prydlowci :D |
| 22:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, udev doesn't do anything if no new device is detected |
| 22:17.01 | PinkFreud | mjt: Again - feel free to prove me wrong. Sitting there sniping at me only makes you look like an ass. |
| 22:17.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and using an existing device is not 'using udev' |
| 22:17.11 | babilen | !tell mYcYnKa -about pl |
| 22:17.15 | mYcYnKa | ko wikash |
| 22:17.15 | mYcYnKa | :D |
| 22:17.17 | mYcYnKa | babilen ? |
| 22:17.18 | mYcYnKa | ;d |
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| 22:17.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | tee hee |
| 22:17.31 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: Again - try it. |
| 22:17.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | another case of !enter |
| 22:17.42 | PinkFreud | heh, indeed |
| 22:17.43 | mYcYnKa | babilen why ? |
| 22:17.50 | mjt | PinkFreud: remount the filesystem with noatime, stop all services (leave ssh) and run dd as i suggested in the beginning. When done, turn it off. It will complete. Now see how many non-zero blocks you'll have on disk, and what value (this is the value i were talked about) those blocks (maybe some parts of directory entries) are non-zero. Very easy to do in a virtual machine. |
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| 22:18.15 | babilen | mYcYnKa: because this is an English channel and i thought you were speaking Polish |
| 22:18.18 | PinkFreud | mjt: indeed it is. you're the one with something to prove, though - so prove it. :) |
| 22:18.20 | mjt | and what value they have |
| 22:18.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | why would he or me be the ones who got something to prove? |
| 22:18.37 | mjt | you want to see count or what? |
| 22:18.44 | mjt | but ok |
| 22:18.46 | amd64 | babilen and valdyn: sorry guys i thought sendmail was the default mail server :( |
| 22:18.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're making the exceptional claim in saying it fails |
| 22:18.53 | amd64 | i'll handle it with exim |
| 22:18.57 | valdyn | amd64: exim is the default |
| 22:18.58 | mjt | that's empty discussion. |
| 22:19.06 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: and both of you disagree with me. |
| 22:19.12 | babilen | amd64: right .. like since 97 ;-) |
| 22:19.17 | mYcYnKa | babilen i'm speak bulgarian D: |
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| 22:19.49 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: if you think I'm wrong - *prove* it. :) |
| 22:20.08 | babilen | mYcYnKa: ah sorry. I did not recognise your language correctly then. Do you have a Debian question? Would you rather like to ask it in Bulgarian? |
| 22:20.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's normally the guy with the exceptional claim who's got to prove aforementioned claim |
| 22:20.49 | babilen | !tell mYcYnKa -about bg |
| 22:20.53 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: how is my claim exceptional? |
| 22:20.57 | valdyn | wiping any disk is trivial, why is this discussion even going on? |
| 22:21.09 | mYcYnKa | babilen I have no issues, just have fun |
| 22:21.17 | mYcYnKa | problem ? |
| 22:21.19 | zevlag | also, I think I've found a way to get dban to load from grub, I'm going to give it a try in a VM (see http://www.mail-archive.com/grub-devel@gnu.org/msg11935.html and the reset of the thread) |
| 22:21.31 | PinkFreud | zevlag: nifty. good luck. |
| 22:21.42 | babilen | mYcYnKa: alright - enjoy your stay |
| 22:21.44 | mjt | valdyn: it's not entirely _trivial_ really. Like, filling it with zeros - apparently - leaves the disk readable still. |
| 22:21.46 | zevlag | valdyn: it has tto do with wiping a running system disk |
| 22:21.46 | chrisw_ | hates debian's repackaging of other packages sometimes :-( |
| 22:21.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, because you can't explain how it should fail... |
| 22:22.05 | babilen | !comfort chrisw_ |
| 22:22.05 | dpkg | There, there, chrisw_. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:22.06 | valdyn | zevlag: thats trivial |
| 22:22.09 | valdyn | geez |
| 22:22.13 | mYcYnKa | babilen thank you |
| 22:22.16 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: I've explained. Just because you refuse to believe me doesn't mean I've failed to explain it. |
| 22:22.24 | zevlag | ok, valdyn what method do you recommend? |
| 22:22.33 | chrisw_ | babilen: stop abusing the bot, that doesn't really help me |
| 22:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | you've not been able to show a likely way for failure |
| 22:22.49 | babilen | chrisw_: What is your problem? |
| 22:22.59 | valdyn | zevlag: make the fs mounted ro, use "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk", poweroff, done |
| 22:23.02 | valdyn | zevlag: very trivial |
| 22:23.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, it's going on because he says wiping a life system would crash the system before the wipe succeeds |
| 22:23.15 | chrisw_ | I need to run "httpd -X", how can I do this with debian's packaging of apache? |
| 22:23.15 | mjt | valdyn: that was my first suggestion :) |
| 22:23.23 | valdyn | CutMeOwnThroat: and thats bullshit indeed |
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| 22:23.48 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: what would make you think that dd would be able to complete writing zeroes across the disk without the OS or dd itself failing, if the filesystem dd is running from disappears? |
| 22:24.00 | PinkFreud | This is not a difficult concept to grasp. |
| 22:24.08 | valdyn | PinkFreud: youre totally on the wrong track |
| 22:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, well, indeed - and it's going on because he's going on trying us to make us "prove" it |
| 22:24.16 | babilen | chrisw_: ah, right. I guess you might be able to set that command line in the config files somewhere. Or if that is not possible, you can edit the init script |
| 22:24.21 | valdyn | PinkFreud: the filesystem *never* disappears for the view of dd |
| 22:24.21 | PinkFreud | valdyn: do explain. |
| 22:24.29 | zevlag | PinkFreud: DD itself gets loaded into RAM, and is running from AM |
| 22:24.34 | zevlag | s/AM/RAM |
| 22:24.35 | valdyn | PinkFreud: im not sure where to start, this is very basic and easy |
| 22:24.35 | mjt | PinkFreud: there's a way how it can fail indeed: power loss before it completes. |
| 22:25.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, the OS is in memory and never swapped out (not even parts are possibly swapped out if you stop all services etc) - the OS just runs on fine, and so does dd or whatever you choose |
| 22:25.20 | valdyn | PinkFreud: if you tell me what you think would prevent dd from completing, then i can probably counter that |
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| 22:26.29 | mjt | PinkFreud: there's one more possible reason: you start using the filesystems heavily while dd is running |
| 22:26.29 | PinkFreud | sighs. |
| 22:26.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hwbt? |
| 22:26.29 | chrisw__ | sorry, wifi failed |
| 22:26.30 | chrisw__ | apache2 -X just gives me "apache2: bad user name ${APACHE_RUN_USER}" |
| 22:26.31 | buckfast | i was told to do: 'iptables -t filter -D FORWARD 1' Did this disable my firewall? |
| 22:26.32 | mjt | PinkFreud: so that the kernel will try to read the filesystem structure which is no here anymore, and.. crash |
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| 22:26.52 | mjt | PinkFreud: (due to a bug in filesystem, no less) |
| 22:26.55 | valdyn | buggy filesystems could crash |
| 22:26.58 | valdyn | i doubt ext3 would |
| 22:27.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mjt, no you don't! anyway - whatever data is written at that time is hardly data you're worried about... |
| 22:27.13 | mjt | CutMeOwnThroat: not writing but _reading_ |
| 22:27.23 | valdyn | mjt: but i cant argue against "kernel bug may happen", not ever |
| 22:27.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | mjt, the system doesn't normally crash in that case either.... |
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| 22:27.40 | mjt | sure - just stop other services. |
| 22:27.43 | PinkFreud | ok, fine. since you lot have nothing better to do than sit here and argue with me... |
| 22:27.50 | mjt | lol |
| 22:27.55 | mjt | don't feed the troll |
| 22:28.01 | PinkFreud | *I'll* take the initiative to fire up a VM to do the test from. |
| 22:28.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | mjt, the only thing I can imagine for a crash is when you wipe swap before unmounting it (which you easily can) and stuff tries to become swapped back in |
| 22:28.20 | PinkFreud | mjt: not much of a troll if I'm going to prove the assertion that you refuse to disprove. :) |
| 22:28.27 | mjt | lol |
| 22:28.36 | PinkFreud | mjt: or, who's trolling now? :) |
| 22:28.45 | thomas_sch | me |
| 22:28.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | well... it has actually the signs of a good troll |
| 22:28.48 | thomas_sch | you stink :P |
| 22:28.51 | mjt | the thing is that I done that two times.. by mistake |
| 22:29.08 | mjt | (done wiping whole disk, that is) |
| 22:29.18 | PinkFreud | thomas_sch: we knew that already. :) |
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| 22:29.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's a reasonably outrageous claim ... |
| 22:29.59 | mjt | but ok, i'm out of here |
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| 22:30.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... which is reasonably hard to show is wrong |
| 22:30.04 | buckfast | i was told to enter this command: 'iptables -t filter -D FORWARD 1' Did it disable my firewall? How do I undo it? |
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| 22:30.58 | valdyn | buckfast: that deleted that first rule in the table filter in the forward chain |
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| 22:31.10 | valdyn | buckfast: we can hardly know what that was |
| 22:31.28 | PinkFreud | mjt: you wipe disks on running systems by accident? |
| 22:31.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | valdyn, but... it's a requirement to be psychic if you answer here! |
| 22:31.40 | PinkFreud | that's ... impressive to say the least. |
| 22:31.41 | babilen | chrisw_: does using "MaxClients 1" not have the same effect? |
| 22:32.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, a clear case of "learning by doing" :-P |
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| 22:32.46 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: twice, apparently. |
| 22:33.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, you know single deletes aren't totally secure |
| 22:33.12 | PinkFreud | I still say it's impossible - but as soon as I'm done cloning a minimal debian install, we'll find out for certain. |
| 22:33.30 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: of course. it doesn't trash the data, just marks the inode as deleted |
| 22:33.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's not what I meant |
| 22:34.16 | babilen | chrisw_: Can't you use that instead? |
| 22:34.17 | PinkFreud | you said delete. if you meant single-pass disk wipes, yes, I am aware of this as well. |
| 22:34.31 | PinkFreud | 17:00 <PinkFreud> depending on how paranoid you are, and what kind of data is |
| 22:34.31 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.31 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.41 | buckfast | valdyn: its default debian lenny, i hadnt changed the rules until that command |
| 22:34.58 | PinkFreud | but, hey - you're convinced I'm an idiot who has no idea of what I'm talking about, so you can be forgiven for missing that line. :) |
| 22:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | buckfast, there are no default forward rules in Debian |
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| 22:36.12 | valdyn | buckfast: then you did nothing. |
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| 22:36.39 | buckfast | valdyn: i did something because the inernet on qemu guest started working |
| 22:36.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
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| 22:37.10 | buckfast | valdyn CutMeOwnThroat: would it help if i have you 'iptables -t filer -nL blockcontrol_fw' result before that command |
| 22:37.11 | PovAddict | I want to install a program from sources; how can I create a 'dummy' package containing only Depends: lines for that program's deps, so I don't have to "manually install" the deps? (I want them to appear as automatically installed) |
| 22:37.19 | buckfast | *gave |
| 22:38.08 | PinkFreud | ok, VM created. |
| 22:38.11 | valdyn | !equivs |
| 22:38.11 | dpkg | from memory, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 22:38.18 | valdyn | PovAddict: ^^ |
| 22:38.26 | PinkFreud | it's little more than a minimal debian install. what processes should I kill off? |
| 22:38.26 | PovAddict | nice |
| 22:38.39 | PovAddict | I also wanted it to install -dev packages and remember why I installed them :P |
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| 22:38.53 | PinkFreud | ooh, wait - according to mjt, he did it accidentally twice. |
| 22:38.57 | mjt | PinkFreud: try without killing anything |
| 22:39.00 | PinkFreud | will do. |
| 22:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | buckfast, you could have run iptables-save or iptables-save > myiptables and restored using iptables-restore < myiptables to restore them after whatever you do |
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| 22:39.46 | dmoerner | hi, i have a fresh install of debian. when i try to mount anything with thunar or pcmanfm, i get this error: http://paste.debian.net/54973/ |
| 22:39.52 | archebyte | hello all. |
| 22:39.56 | jeeves_Moss | what would cause postfix not to start @ boot, and when I pull a "/etc/init.d/postfix reload" I get "error: unknown command: 'quiet-reload'". This is a v-hosted system |
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| 22:40.00 | PinkFreud | [ 200.441237] Filesystem "xvda1": XFS internal error xfs_da_do_buf(2) at line 2085 of file fs/xfs/xfs_da_btree.c. Caller 0xffffffffa00ef7bb |
| 22:40.12 | dmoerner | this system was bootstrapped (lenny), is it possible that i need more device nodes? |
| 22:40.14 | PinkFreud | oops. looks like the kernel wasn't happy. :) |
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| 22:40.28 | mjt | PinkFreud: speaking of wipes, i had about 300 systems to wipe when we upgraded hw in remote offices. I first tried remote boot but later on created a small install on a hdd. While debugging it i trashed it twice. |
| 22:40.35 | zevlag | PinkFreud: ok, I'm on ext3 not XFS, I htink that'd make a difference |
| 22:40.45 | PinkFreud | and now there's a whole lot of those. :) |
| 22:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | still that error wouldn't be a reason for dd not to complete |
| 22:41.20 | PinkFreud | zevlag: sorry, I'm not going to do your testing for you. :) This was to prove that a random host with a live dd wipe won't survive to complete the wipe. |
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| 22:41.27 | zevlag | *nod* |
| 22:41.34 | zevlag | PinkFreud: not expecting you too |
| 22:41.51 | mYcYnKa | phxAHyaXHyaxhahaXyaxyAXYXAhXAHhYAhy |
| 22:41.54 | mYcYnKa | MAFIQ`BOSS :D |
| 22:41.58 | MAFIQ`BOSS | al lelelele |
| 22:42.00 | MAFIQ`BOSS | :DdDdDd |
| 22:42.04 | buckfast | CutMeOwnThroat: http://pastebin.com/d71e75880 |
| 22:42.06 | Blood_Angel | q kaji kak |
| 22:42.06 | jeeves_Moss | zevlag, are you looking to wipe drives? there are some good DoD standard pc |
| 22:42.07 | Blood_Angel | i az iskam |
| 22:42.07 | Blood_Angel | :D |
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| 22:42.24 | jeeves_Moss | zevlag, are you looking to wipe drives? there are some good DoD standard packages that will CD or NetBoot if you're looking to do a lot of systems |
| 22:42.27 | zevlag | jeeves_Moss: the important part is wiping a live system |
| 22:42.44 | dondelelcaro | there's no way to reliably wipe modern drives |
| 22:42.50 | zevlag | jeeves_Moss: a remote live system, taht I don't have hysical access to |
| 22:42.57 | archebyte | if there are multiple repos configured, is there a way to list packages by repo? |
| 22:43.15 | jeeves_Moss | zevlag, the only way I can think of doing that is to load the OS into a RAM drive, then switch to the RAM drive, and nuke the drive |
| 22:43.21 | PinkFreud | so, final verdict - I am not a troll, and I do know what I'm talking about. |
| 22:43.31 | dondelelcaro | actual DoD practices dealing with such drives involve physical destruction of the media |
| 22:43.32 | jeeves_Moss | zevlag, but I don't think you can do that on a live system |
| 22:43.48 | PinkFreud | mjt, CutMeOwnThroat - how about you? Still want to argue, or do you want to try it yourself to attempt to prove me wrong? :) |
| 22:44.01 | jeeves_Moss | zevlag, but I don't think you can do that on a live system |
| 22:44.09 | mjt | PinkFreud: i know it works, nothing to prove |
| 22:44.15 | jeeves_Moss | what would cause postfix not to start @ boot, and when I pull a "/etc/init.d/postfix reload" I get "error: unknown command: 'quiet-reload'". This is a v-hosted system |
| 22:44.16 | PinkFreud | mjt: and yet, I know it doesn't. |
| 22:44.33 | mjt | PinkFreud: so you hit a kernel bug in xfs, congrats |
| 22:44.34 | PinkFreud | I'm watching the kernel spin madly in circles on my VM. |
| 22:44.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, I will... when I'm really bored - but my nice book is waiting for so long time now |
| 22:44.57 | PinkFreud | kernel bug in xfs? hardly a bug when the fs disappears from underneath the driver. |
| 22:45.04 | mjt | PinkFreud: care to report it? |
| 22:45.05 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: enjoy :) |
| 22:45.14 | PinkFreud | mjt: not when it's not a bug, no. |
| 22:45.35 | mjt | oh well. |
| 22:45.36 | mjt | ok |
| 22:45.53 | mjt | system should not crash on damaged media, that's the point |
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| 22:46.27 | PinkFreud | mjt: the filesystem *disappeared* out from underneath the driver. this is not damaged media, it's *destroyed* media. |
| 22:46.36 | PinkFreud | of COURSE it's going to crash. |
| 22:46.43 | PinkFreud | this is what I've been saying all along. :) |
| 22:46.47 | mjt | heh |
| 22:46.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, I can mail you a 2GB file with zeros as proof, though, after I did... |
| 22:46.57 | dondelelcaro | there's pretty much nothing the system can do but either lock those processes or bail out |
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| 22:47.12 | mjt | dondelelcaro: what processes? |
| 22:47.24 | mjt | dondelelcaro: note that there's no reason to "lock" dd |
| 22:47.33 | PinkFreud | any processes that are still running |
| 22:47.47 | PinkFreud | nscd, there's a few kernel processes that I saw being reported in the kernel complaints, etc. |
| 22:47.58 | mjt | it's the filesystem that's in trouble, not block devices |
| 22:48.03 | buckfast | CutMeOwnThroat: did that tell you anything |
| 22:48.13 | mjt | and running dd does not depend on any filesystem |
| 22:48.17 | PinkFreud | mjt: here's a novel idea * try it yourself* |
| 22:48.30 | mjt | i already said that: i did that two times |
| 22:48.31 | PinkFreud | or are you afraid of proving yourself wrong? :) |
| 22:48.40 | mjt | i think twice is enough |
| 22:48.46 | PinkFreud | anyway, I am off. :) |
| 22:48.52 | dondelelcaro | mjt: dd can depend on a filesystem; it depends on what device you're writing to |
| 22:48.59 | buckfast | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/d71e75880 |
| 22:49.01 | mjt | dondelelcaro: it's writing to /dev/sda |
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| 22:49.06 | mjt | dondelelcaro: from /dev/zero |
| 22:49.38 | dondelelcaro | mjt: if /dev/sda is an actual physical device (doesn't have to be), then it shouldn't stop unless the physical media has a problem |
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| 22:49.52 | mjt | that's _exactly_ what i'm saying |
| 22:50.10 | dondelelcaro | (though you may cause anything else that is using /dev/sda to lock up, like your shell which may have things in swap, etc.) |
| 22:50.45 | mjt | shell is waiting for dd to complete |
| 22:51.00 | dondelelcaro | mjt: and what state is dd in? |
| 22:51.02 | mjt | and it's irrelevant if it will survive or not |
| 22:51.07 | Mr_Queue | I've got a laptop here that I cant get to boot from either CD or USB. It fails to read the CD or list it as a boot option even though I set it in the BIOS, and when I attempt to boot it from knoppix or mint from USB it hangs at SYSLINUX 3.71 Debian-2008-09-06 EBIOS Copyright (C) 1994-2008 H. Peter Anvin Could not find kernel image: linux. However both the USB sticks boot fine from other machines. Ideas? |
| 22:51.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | buckfast, mostly, that that blockcontrol_fw stuff is something you must have added manually.. guess you can compare before/after as well as I can |
| 22:51.41 | mjt | dondelelcaro: it's PinkFreud who's running the test not me. For me it worked just fine and i see no reason why it shold not work even if with many programs running (but w/o swap) |
| 22:52.08 | dondelelcaro | mjt: there are lots of kernel bugs that can be exposed if you nuke the system under them |
| 22:52.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, well, we said it would be wise to umount swap first if you try to wipe *that* |
| 22:52.18 | mjt | yeah, bugs |
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| 22:52.23 | mjt | for that, stop other services |
| 22:52.32 | dondelelcaro | you pretty much want to be in single user mode |
| 22:52.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 22:52.38 | mjt | sure |
| 22:53.00 | mjt | but there are very good chances it will complete in multiuser mode |
| 22:53.02 | buckfast | CutMeOwnThroat: could it be something moblock added? |
| 22:53.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | or even in init=/bin/bash - which he can't do, but single user should be sufficient |
| 22:53.21 | dondelelcaro | mjt: the problem is that you won't be able to test whether it did or didn't |
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| 22:53.49 | mjt | for that ensure it's running under the best condition - stop everything else possible |
| 22:53.55 | mjt | and use direct i/o |
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| 22:54.21 | zevlag | mjt: how does one use direct i/o? |
| 22:54.34 | mjt | zevlag: that's my very first reply to you |
| 22:54.47 | zevlag | ok |
| 22:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | that is obvious... there's no good way to test it after you did it |
| 22:54.48 | mjt | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M oflag=direct |
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| 22:55.28 | mjt | you can run sg_format too :) |
| 22:55.33 | buckfast | CutMeOwnThroat: i am using moblock, i think it added that line there. so do you think its safe? |
| 22:55.56 | mjt | (that one _blocks_ access to hdd till done) |
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| 22:58.55 | DomeDan | zevlag: the DBAN option, to boot it from grub, would that work? |
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| 22:59.46 | zevlag | I think so, I'm going to play with that one in a VM, the only thing I don't know, is if I can pass it an option to automatically start, because I don't have a physciall access to the keyboard |
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| 23:00.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | buckfast, seriously... I'm too lazy to look at it in detail - looks like you're forwarding with some type of firewall between the subnets you do that for... but if you mess around with iptables, it's you who should understand what you're doing :) |
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| 23:00.55 | DomeDan | zevlag: i found this in a forum: kernel /dban.bzi nuke="dwipe --autonuke" |
| 23:01.09 | zevlag | DomeDan: nice, that should do it |
| 23:01.21 | mjt | provided it will boot ;) |
| 23:01.23 | DomeDan | zevlag: its a piece from menu.lst |
| 23:01.30 | buckfast | CutMeOwnThroat: i was just doing what i was being told |
| 23:01.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | zevlag, look at " apt-cache show wipe " - I never used that, though |
| 23:01.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | buckfast, that can sometimes be a mistake :-P |
| 23:02.12 | mjt | CutMeOwnThroat: that wipe is crazy thing, it will never complete (it needs randomness from kernel, lots of it) |
| 23:02.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | mjt, well, I said I never used it :) |
| 23:03.13 | mjt | theres's a shred util in coreutils too |
| 23:03.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | mjt, actually I don't think really wants/needs a secure wipe... not SO many people are hunted by secret service after all |
| 23:03.32 | mjt | hmm maybe it's shred who needs randomness... |
| 23:03.53 | mjt | sure - that's why i initially immediately suggested dd from /dev/zero |
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| 23:04.27 | zevlag | I'm liking the idea of getting dban to boot from grub as default, with a few test in VM, I'll be happy to give it a try |
| 23:04.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean - the system itself is hardly "sensitive" - else you can just delete those files, make a disk-filling new file from dev/zero and wipe that |
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| 23:05.30 | DomeDan | zevlag: yeah, sounds like the best option, good luck! :) |
| 23:06.00 | mjt | DomeDan: btw, what does it do - zeroing or random or pattern? |
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| 23:06.47 | DomeDan | mjt: actually, i dont know :P i just heard about dban when someone metioned it, and i checked it up a bit |
| 23:07.28 | mjt | hmm. is it whole linux? |
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| 23:09.28 | DomeDan | mjt: what do you mean? and btw, i just read that it covers the drive with random data |
| 23:09.42 | mjt | yeah one of the methods |
| 23:10.00 | mjt | ie cryptographically-strong wipe |
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| 23:10.20 | mjt | and yes it's linux |
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| 23:10.49 | sixtila2 | babilen in ipod here |
| 23:10.52 | DomeDan | and mac :P |
| 23:11.07 | DomeDan | yo sixtila |
| 23:11.46 | NiLon | doing multiple formats and stuff for harddrive won't do a fly shit |
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| 23:12.02 | NiLon | once you erase data, it's gone, no way to retive it |
| 23:12.35 | NiLon | and yes, it's common myth that data is readable after format.. |
| 23:13.19 | mjt | NiLon: let the machine to work hard for the last time... ;) |
| 23:13.41 | NiLon | mjt huh? |
| 23:13.41 | DomeDan | doesnt a "format" only wipes the partition table? |
| 23:13.59 | mjt | which "format" ? |
| 23:14.00 | NiLon | DomeDan quick format yes |
| 23:14.15 | mjt | format does not touch partition table ;) |
| 23:14.24 | mjt | but ok |
| 23:14.30 | NiLon | but let's say that you replace data with zeros for example, that's it |
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| 23:14.43 | NiLon | data is totally gone and cannot be read again |
| 23:14.45 | NiLon | ever |
| 23:14.45 | PinkFreud | we still arguing about this? |
| 23:14.50 | mjt | lol |
| 23:14.52 | PinkFreud | mjt: damn troll. |
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| 23:15.01 | mjt | so how your vm? |
| 23:15.29 | mjt | apparently you've hit people's hot button with disk wiping |
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| 23:15.59 | DomeDan | this discussion can go on forever :P |
| 23:16.13 | PinkFreud | mjt: it was toast, as I said. |
| 23:16.17 | NiLon | well use your head for example; if there would be multiple layers of data, that would mean that for example 1TB drive could hold theorically like 10TB |
| 23:16.27 | NiLon | so where is this magic 9TB hold? |
| 23:16.30 | NiLon | it's impossible |
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| 23:16.45 | mjt | heh. the rest 9Tb are somewhat unreliable :) |
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| 23:16.59 | mjt | only parts can be read once written ;) |
| 23:17.31 | jmarsden | http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/secure_del.html |
| 23:17.35 | cast | maybe you could only read and write 1TB at a time |
| 23:17.58 | cast | and you could only read back the last 1TB... |
| 23:18.01 | qwd | why does root reserve space for itself on the harddrive and how can I make it so the regular user can use that space? or is there a reason I shouldn't do that? |
| 23:18.15 | mjt | qwd: there's a reason |
| 23:18.24 | cast | qwd: do you really need that 5%? |
| 23:18.49 | cast | qwd: XFS/reiserfs, IIRC, won't reserve it |
| 23:18.59 | xand | qwd: so the machine doesn't get unhappy if you fill the space up with other stuff... and you can adjust it with tune2fs I think. |
| 23:19.32 | DomeDan | jmarsden:looks like good reading |
| 23:19.33 | mjt | if that helps you |
| 23:19.40 | qwd | cast: yeah I really do, I just spent some time removing stuff and I only have 8gb free space :) this is on my second hard drive by the way, not the system drive. |
| 23:20.04 | qwd | mjt: does that reason apply on a second drive? |
| 23:20.09 | qwd | xand: I'll look it up, thanks! |
| 23:20.21 | cast | DomeDan: just don't take it out of context |
| 23:20.31 | mjt | qwd: example: for fsck it's a very good idea to have some space free - if you'll ever need it... |
| 23:20.36 | jmarsden | DomeDan: If you haven't read it, IMO you should not comment on disk wiping tools etc at all. It is *the* seminal paper on this topic, even though it is 14 years old now. |
| 23:20.56 | mjt | jmarsden: tell that to NiLon ;) |
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| 23:21.20 | mjt | kidding really |
| 23:21.45 | qwd | mjt: oh, well that does seem like a good reason to have it reserved |
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| 23:22.16 | DomeDan | jmarsden: yeah, i havent commented that much, i havent tried to prove somthing |
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| 23:22.51 | jmarsden | Right... I didn't mean "you" specifically, more "one should not comment ..." :) |
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| 23:25.03 | mjt | it's just that in usual case there's no _need_ to use any technique but the disk mechanism itself. |
| 23:25.23 | mjt | which wont read back even zeroed data |
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| 23:27.55 | cast | only believes in physical destruction |
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| 23:30.24 | sixtila2 | /me is installing debian! |
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| 23:32.29 | cast | well done |
| 23:33.24 | antgel | i know nothing about video editing. i have a video file from my mobile phone (some mpeg or other), and some .ogg audio that i wish to overlay. can somebody recommend a good starting point? i looked at kino but can't see how to import my video given that i don't have a DV device |
| 23:33.25 | sixtila2 | i sure did |
| 23:33.38 | sixtila2 | hoping a successful install |
| 23:33.56 | cast | antgel: mencoder probably can |
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| 23:34.25 | mjt | cast: i bet some gui is needed here :) |
| 23:34.30 | cast | nope |
| 23:34.43 | cast | oh, i seee |
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| 23:34.52 | cast | maybe, if he's an ubuntu user |
| 23:35.01 | sixtila2 | should the new partition be logical? primary? i have ubuntu in other partition |
| 23:35.11 | antgel | cast: even if i need to shift the audio a bit to get it in sync? i just tried cinerella - i've never seen a UI like that in my life |
| 23:35.14 | pngwn | sixtila2, this isn't a step by step installation help channel, it's more a help you help yourself place |
| 23:35.16 | cast | sixtila2: primary is nicer |
| 23:35.35 | pngwn | trey debian.org/doc for an installation manual |
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| 23:35.40 | sixtila2 | man this is my fifth try |
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| 23:36.06 | MTatch | Hello everyone |
| 23:36.19 | MTatch | Hoe does everyone experience christmas? |
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| 23:36.33 | antgel | shopping |
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| 23:36.58 | MTatch | Got question, does anyone run Etch on a mipsbook? The little linux laptop I mean? |
| 23:37.09 | sixtila2 | cast is root ok for mount point? |
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| 23:37.33 | sixtila2 | or boot |
| 23:37.36 | cast | what? |
| 23:37.37 | antgel | sixtila2: have you read the installation guide? |
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| 23:37.41 | antgel | !tell cast about ig |
| 23:37.54 | antgel | oops |
| 23:38.00 | antgel | !tell sixtila2 about ig |
| 23:38.16 | sixtila2 | i cant open it right now |
| 23:38.43 | antgel | jesus |
| 23:38.48 | pngwn | sixtila2, didn't someone spend time yesterday helping you install on oftc.net? What happened to that load? |
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| 23:39.33 | sixtila2 | babilen |
| 23:40.00 | cast | if its your 5th time maybe debian is to hard for yu |
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| 23:40.02 | MTatch | Does anyone got a mipsbook? It's a JZ4730, does anyone know about that? |
| 23:40.29 | sixtila2 | cast trying to make double boot for now |
| 23:40.36 | cast | kind of like i'm on my 20th time for trying to install itunes on a laptop, and i've given up on that proprietary piece of shit |
| 23:40.39 | sixtila2 | things went wrong |
| 23:41.03 | MTatch | Maybe too much techtalk, It's a trendtac epc 700 or cnm life book... |
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| 23:41.12 | sixtila2 | cast can u help me? |
| 23:41.36 | MTatch | Cast: Gentoo isn't the same, but it took me half a week to get it right! |
| 23:42.01 | sixtila2 | cast remember i have ubuntu in other partition |
| 23:42.19 | sixtila2 | is root mount pt ok? |
| 23:42.35 | cast | i don't understand the fucking question |
| 23:43.03 | sixtila2 | it is asking me- mount point for partition |
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| 23:43.19 | sixtila2 | root, /boot ..... |
| 23:43.45 | MTatch | Doesn't that means that it want's to know where to mount your partition? Just guessin... |
| 23:43.55 | cast | just tell it to do it automatically w/ lvm, give it the whole disk |
| 23:44.02 | simonrvn | *which* partition...? |
| 23:44.12 | sixtila2 | with logical i never had to choose it |
| 23:44.17 | pngwn | or you could read the installation manual... |
| 23:44.25 | simonrvn | sixtila2: REMEMBER WE DON'T SEE WHAT YOU SEE |
| 23:44.38 | sixtila2 | ya |
| 23:44.47 | beardy | HELLO AND WELCOME TO TURRICAN |
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| 23:44.58 | cast | MY TOOTH I SORE :< |
| 23:45.17 | simonrvn | !comfort cast |
| 23:45.18 | dpkg | There, there, cast. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:45.34 | beardy | No more xmas candy for cast. |
| 23:45.43 | dHL | anyone got any suggestions on the best "project management web app" ? I'm thinknig something along the lines of www.redmine.org or something similar. |
| 23:46.13 | MTatch | Does anyone run Etch over here? |
| 23:46.22 | bzed | !anyone |
| 23:46.22 | beardy | dHL: Your best bet is to search the web or search the package repository. |
| 23:46.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>. |
| 23:46.40 | dHL | yeah i know just figured i'd throw it out there ;) |
| 23:46.48 | simonrvn | dHL: redmine seems purdy good.. check out redmine.lighttpd.net for a live and used example |
| 23:47.12 | nevyn | beardy: he's asking for a recommendation for a task. |
| 23:47.21 | sixtila2 | phew! got it right |
| 23:47.23 | nevyn | not does anyone use obscure package foo. |
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| 23:47.39 | beardy | nevyn: Something which is "best" and a poll. |
| 23:47.53 | beardy | Why don't you answer instead if it means so much. |
| 23:48.19 | MTatch | I wan't to run a Debian Etch version on a Mips Endian Little 335mhz notebook, the trendtac epc, does anyone have a good starting point? |
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| 23:48.39 | MTatch | dpkg> Sorry for the clutter ;) |
| 23:48.39 | dpkg | MTatch: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 23:49.30 | cast | MTatch: does it have an OS on it? why not lenny? |
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| 23:50.35 | beardy | MTatch: A starting point is http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ , weither it is good I don't know. |
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| 23:51.20 | MTatch | cast> It had a custom linux version, RTOS based I believe, now I'm runnng 3MX, wanted to run Gentoo, but couldn't find a starting point, and since there is a lot of software for Debian I figured I try, point is it's a mipsbook, that seems to be the problem, otherwise I would be crosscompiling stuff from Gentoo to 3MX, the current OS, but I't too new at such! |
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| 23:51.35 | MTatch | beardy> Thanks, checking it out! |
| 23:51.45 | beardy | !mips |
| 23:51.45 | dpkg | i guess mips is (Million Instructions Per Second) This is a rating of how quickly a processor can process instructions. A processor rated at 100 MIPS can process 100,000,000 instructions per second. Also a port of linux to computers equiped with MIPS processors. Meaningless Indication of Processor Speed, or a processor commonly found in video game console systems, and some computers, for more information, join #mipslinux on irc.freenode.net. |
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| 23:51.54 | cast | MTatch: you could debootstrap, if you have some spare sppace |
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| 23:52.24 | LinuxGuy2009 | Are there any apps that can rip a CD and have the ability to transfer to an iPod such as Rhythmbox can do, but will retrieve the album art and add it also? I think newer unstable versions of rhythmbox support that dont they? Or is there a backport version of some app that can do it? My parents arent that tech saavy. |
| 23:52.26 | gele | Can anyone recommend a mail client that I can just point to any mbox file? |
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| 23:52.36 | beardy | gele: mutt |
| 23:52.43 | cast | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.43 | LinuxGuy2009 | Rhythmbox works great but would love album art also. |
| 23:52.46 | MTatch | cast> It came with a grand total of 1 gb of storage space.... :) |
| 23:53.01 | MTatch | cast> 300 left after flashing to 3MX |
| 23:53.26 | sixtila2 | us network mirror not workin today also |
| 23:53.52 | beardy | LinuxGuy2009: Have you looked for a backport of rythmbox then, if you know it has it? |
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| 23:54.26 | beardy | LinuxGuy2009: If you are more savvy and there is no backport, you could backport it yourself for them. |
| 23:54.26 | beardy | !ssb |
| 23:54.26 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 23:54.31 | sixtila2 | looks like many r not working |
| 23:55.02 | DomeDan | LinuxGuy2009: did a fast research and found a application called: ripit that one can rip cds |
| 23:55.10 | beardy | (Preferebly building is done in a chroot or vm to not clutter your main system.) |
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| 23:56.03 | MTatch | Good day guys, thanks for the tips and hints! |
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| 23:56.24 | beardy | Good luck MTatch. |
| 23:56.35 | sixtila2 | gud evng |
| 23:56.39 | MTatch | beardy> Thanks! |
| 23:57.03 | LinuxGuy2009 | beardy: Well i checked debian multimedia repo and there doesnt seem to be one for Debian stable. Is it a good idea to even attempt to use rythmbox from testing or unstable? I also wonder if there is a rhythmbox website with a newer version already built as a deb too I should go check. |
| 23:58.50 | beardy | LinuxGuy2009: Most likely using the testing or sid version isn't going to work or be a good idea, it depends on things that also need to be of a later version. That's why I told you about backporting it yourself, with the source from sid, but, building it in lenny. |
| 23:59.14 | sixtila2 | setup hung up! interesting |
