IRC log for #debian on 20091227

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00:00.04dHLanyone ever used www.clarizen.com as web app project management soft?  i'm wondering how it compares to something like www.redmine.org
00:00.31sixtila2any key to take me a step back?
00:00.57LinuxGuy2009beardy: Is building very difficult to do?
00:00.59dgeary2nsadmin: if the installer kernel gets its drivers from the kernel that is to be installed, then that means that they must be the same version. is that correct?
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00:01.39zevlagdHL: I've not used it, but I love redmine
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00:02.29dHLzevlag: have you tried any alternatives to redmine?
00:03.14zevlagbugzilla, and trac
00:04.16dHLnice i'll check em out :)
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00:05.01sixtila2what is bootable flag on mean?
00:05.40dHLzevlag i wasn't thinking specifically / solely software dev tracking but rather more "project management" in general... you feel me ? :)
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00:05.59dHLmmm actually i'm liking this trac
00:06.02dHLlooks quite nice
00:06.07Dyinglight12hello
00:06.23dHLhow do you feel they stack up against redmine in terms of more general project management (not solely software dev) ?
00:06.29Dyinglight12i have a good question for you all.
00:07.14LinuxGuy2009Ok I think Im ready to try and build a program as a backport. Where do i start? Is there a decent begginers guide somewhere?
00:07.22Dyinglight12how do i dual boot debian?
00:08.06dHLaah there's so many good ones out there!  gonna be hard to choose :)
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00:08.45ctmjr!tell Dyinglight12 about dual boot
00:09.10LinuxGuy2009Darn rhythmbox cover art plugin doesnt seem to work at all. At least on AAC files or on a audio CD.
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00:15.30Caelumis it possible to get liferea to download the contents of rss articles for a feed?
00:15.34Caeluminto the view pane
00:15.48castno idea.
00:16.06Caelumotherwise it's not very useful :(
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00:18.08Caelumaha, 'auto-load item link', but that uses the wrong URL and still doesn't work
00:18.15Caelumguess I'll use google reader
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00:19.51palluhello all of you
00:20.17palludoes any one know how i can get compiz to work with and intel video card 945g?
00:21.26Caelumpallu: yeah it should work
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00:22.42antgelLinuxGuy2009: rhythmbox has a load of dependencies which you'll need to backport as well.  plus rhythmbox is practically dead upstream
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00:22.45Caelumpallu: try something like this: http://scsys.co.uk:8001/37609
00:22.46palludo you know where i can start. i used to have an nvidia card and it burned out so  i dont know if i still have  the drivers installed
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00:23.44Caelumpallu: those are settings for compiz for intel from the wiki... havevn't yet made the switch myself though
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00:28.33sixtila2debian fails to see the ubuntu
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00:28.51sixtila2the grub boot loader
00:29.38dvs\
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00:31.20sixtila2ubuntu is in hd0,3 and debian is in hd0,3 - where should grub be loaded for dual boot
00:31.30sixtila2ubuntu in 1
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00:32.06mjtyou can just chain-load one from another -- probably the easiest way
00:32.22mjtand can even cycle them
00:32.32dvssixtila2: one goes in the master boot record, the other in the Linux partition
00:33.15sixtila2should debian grub be loaded in Mbr?
00:33.26sixtila2but ubuntu will disappear
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00:34.08sixtila2or continue without boot loader
00:34.24sixtila2then debian would disappear i guess
00:35.14castinstall the damned bootloader
00:35.31dvssixtila2: One must go in the MBR.  The question is which one: Ubuntu or Debian?
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00:36.19sixtila2gotcha, so for now i can skip the grub in deb?
00:36.48sixtila2and i can configure it from ubuntu?
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00:37.09tensorpuddingsixtila2: grub can be configured using the /boot/grub/menu.lst file
00:38.20dvssixtila2: whichever you want
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00:38.41sixtila2ok for deb i skipped the grub
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00:39.11sixtila2maybe i can configure it from ubuntu and make it bootable
00:39.29tensorpuddingit is helpful if you want to multiboot to have a separate partition for /boot
00:39.35dvssixtila2: that's called chain loading
00:39.36tensorpuddingand share that with all the different linuxes
00:39.53tensorpuddingall the kernels for each will be put there
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00:45.14tensorpuddingthough i'm not sure how well grub2 will work with that
00:45.40tensorpuddingwell, i guess you can always choose to have the installer not install grub and not to touch the MBR
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00:50.41Caelumblech, straw is completely broken in sid :(
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01:00.28eAndriusmaybe someone have an invite to bitme.org?
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01:10.34sixtila2when booting i only get the bash! how do i go to the graphical
01:10.47phoggsixtila2: startx
01:11.06osastyou don't want to go to the graphical
01:11.36osastit's retarding your learning
01:11.44sixtila2why not?
01:12.07osast^
01:12.38sixtila2kinda true
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01:13.18sixtila2lemme update and upgrade and see what happens
01:13.40sixtila2upgrade removed everything! again!
01:13.57osastit did?
01:13.58sixtila2its just removing things, lol
01:14.12sixtila2it had done yesterday also
01:14.40sixtila2babilen said maybe mirror problem
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01:15.28osastthen use a different mirror
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01:16.10sixtila2thing is i use a dvd, the install can never connect to a ftp
01:16.30sixtila2i m restarting, strange!
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01:17.11sixtila2again bash!
01:17.19osastlife is hard
01:17.45sixtila2should i install gnome core to make it work?
01:18.03osastno.
01:18.09osastfix your upgrade problem
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01:19.57sixtila2i hardly know bash
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01:20.35osastamazing. how long have you been using *nix?
01:21.03dvinchi5 years
01:21.10dvinchiand you?
01:21.15sixtila25 mnths with ubuntu, .5 day with deb
01:21.29osastbit longer
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01:22.29osast2002 was when i started using it exclusively
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01:22.56Bastihase_2X2 ============================= 1
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01:24.31lolhttp://blog.peoplesprimary.com/?u=zewb/2009/10/26/ubuntu-root-exploit-found.asp
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01:25.50osast!ops kb Guest58495 would you
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01:26.22Bastihase_Guest79718 http://www.schrankmonster.de/content/binary/021604figure8.gif
01:26.24osasti must admit, that was neat
01:26.32Bastihase_its my new
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01:27.40osasteh, Guest79718 even
01:27.47osastmy bad :(
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01:28.57DominianDon't click on that
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01:30.04Bastihase_Dominian : http://anto.ipsecs.com/files/pulseaudio.png
01:30.44Dominian?
01:31.17simonrvnDominian: ignore it
01:31.25Dominianyep
01:31.27Dominianknows
01:31.27simonrvn!ops Bastihase_ is spamming random crap
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01:31.47Bastihase_lol
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01:32.48Bastihase_!ops simonrvn He become my keyboard in his fuc.ing face
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01:33.35dHLanyone know if there's a debian package yet for redmine ?
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01:43.38eAndriushttp://sutas.lt/bitme-org/ anyone? :( please!
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01:50.21dHLanyone know if there's a debian package for redmine?
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01:52.21babilenjudd: versions redmine
01:52.33jmarsdendHL: See http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=redmine
01:52.54babilendHL: or use 'aptitude search' or 'apt-cache search'
01:53.23babilendHL: which debian release do you use?
01:53.33babilenthere is a package in testing
01:53.56babilenyou might want to backport it if you are running stable, or check if it is available on backports.org
01:54.02babilen!tell dHL -about ssb
01:54.14babilen!tell dHL -about bpo
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01:54.24dHL2.6.31.5 lenny 5.0 64bit
01:54.58dHLi'm reading the debian pkg is slightly crippled tho . i might just be better getting it from source
01:55.45babilendHL: you can change the compile flags
01:55.45babilen!package recompile
01:55.46dpkg1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules> <apt-get source>
01:56.13dHLwhat's "squeeze" ?
01:56.27babilen!squeeze
01:56.27dpkgSqueeze is the codename for the next release, Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.  It is the three-eyed space alien.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/09/msg00000.html  Ask me about <testing>.  Not to be confused with the <Xfce> archive manager.  http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSqueeze.  See also <squeeze kernel>.
01:56.28prince_jammysdHL: the codename of debian testing
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01:57.09dHLgotcha so it's not an app ;)
01:57.24babilensome people call it an OS
01:57.40dHLit sounds really advanced! :o
01:57.51dHLpure ai ?
01:58.38Caelumhow do I set the SphereCrystal theme for KDE?
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02:02.26dHLwhat's the cmd to make sure your package db is up to date in terms of available downloads?
02:02.45CaelumdHL: sudo aptitude update
02:03.00dHLapt-get is same files as aptitude?
02:03.09babilen!why aptitude
02:03.09dpkgaptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>).  Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies.
02:03.26dHLbeautiful
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03:07.37jimcooncatwhat is the status of neatx in debian, please?
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03:10.09zig_Anyone know how to configure xrdp to force a particular desktop resolution?
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03:12.58zig_I just need something that will serve out desktops in a very easy fashion
03:13.20zig_Such that one can just click the client program, it'll bring them to a login screen, etc. Basically just like Remote Desktop Services for Windows.
03:13.24zig_That's what I need. Anyone know about this?
03:13.47jimcooncatzig_ vnc?
03:14.03zig_Yeah, but how does one configure VNC accordingly?
03:14.15zig_Needs encryption... from what I saw, VNC doesn't support encryption very well.
03:14.29zig_You'd have to pipe it through SSH
03:14.40zig_Which then, of course, requires one to know how to use Putty or Cygwin/SSH on the windows machine
03:14.57zig_Which is entirely unsuitable for end-users.
03:15.09jimcooncatzig_ yes, you make an ssh tunnel, and have the client listen for a connection from the host
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03:15.41jimcooncatzig_: not neccesarily, there are packages for windows users with Putty (actually plink)
03:15.54zig_Such as? I've never seen one.
03:15.58jimcooncatI'm sorry but I don't have my hands on the docs here
03:16.03zig_Ah.
03:16.05zig_That's cool
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03:16.25jimcooncatzig_ no, I've never seen an actual package -- just howtos.
03:17.31jimcooncatzig_: I actually came here looking for neatx, which is another solution to your same problem. But it's very new, and I don't believe packaged for debian yet.
03:17.56zig_Yeah, I was actually just about to compile that
03:18.20zig_neatx seems to be the best solution to the problem... but then the clients aren closed-source (NoMachine NX)
03:18.26zig_-n
03:18.47jimcooncatAnother one that just came out is SPICE that sounds very interesting too
03:19.31jimcooncatzig_: there's also a single-click thing at UltraVNC, but I couldn't get it working
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03:22.07TrueDDGnight to all
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03:27.25rumpsyHey everybody, Good morning :)
03:28.07rumpsyMay i know best video editing tool in debian
03:28.20rumpsythat was i looking for!
03:29.24concongaisnt it openmoveieditor? If not, let me know, plz.
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03:30.36opakavicconconga: oh, openmoveieditor?
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03:30.50opakavicIs that in debian package source
03:31.28concongatyped wrong... openmovieeditor. yes, there is a .deb file for it
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03:32.01opakavicoh, okay i get that first, thankyou
03:32.11concongaactually, i've never used.. I've heard of it, and I am also looking for a good one..
03:32.21opakavic!
03:32.23opakavico_O
03:32.34opakavicsorry o_O
03:32.42concongaif you have another, let us know, ok?
03:32.48opakavicokay !
03:33.11opakavicBye now:)
03:33.11concongabye
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03:34.05setuidI've got a machine that has no CD, but I believe it will boot from USB... can I grab the netinst ISO and dd that to a USB key and boot it? Or is there a USB installer for 5.0.3 somewhere?
03:35.11setuidhrm, or maybe I can pxe boot it
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03:43.13scratchmeHi all.  Is there a recommended Debian Admin book made current upto Lenny?
03:43.59babilen!reference
03:44.00dpkgThe Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian.  Latest version (v2) is at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ .  Read it after installing Debian and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual.  You can install this too, the package name is debian-reference: 'aptitude install debian-reference'
03:44.29scratchmeIs there a PDF or book form?
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03:45.06babilenhttp://qref.sourceforge.net/
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03:45.26scratchmebabilen, thanks, you're a life saver ;)
03:45.46babilen:-)
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03:46.25scratchmeI'm sure I'll make less mistakes if I'm at least told once how to do it before I try.
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03:47.18babilenwhat are you trying?
03:47.45scratchmeWell, I've got some general familiarity with Debian.  I tried setting it up as my desktop OS, which was frankly too difficult.
03:47.57scratchmeI do like it for various server-type activities though.
03:48.42scratchmeI've recently installed proxmox, and I think it's great.  However, it does not have a convenient "backup your proxmox ve install" type option, so I'm looking at how to properly backup/restore the metadata.
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03:49.30babilenoh really, where did you run into problems on the desktop?
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03:49.37scratchmeIf you've not tried it, it's a brilliant virtualization package.  They basically wrap KVM, OpenVZ, apache, an ajax gui, VNC all into a package which works quite nicely.
03:50.24babilenis happy with kvm
03:50.59scratchmeWell, to be honest, I enjoy too many nuances of Windows 64bit installs.  Examples:  Ease of audio/video setup, ease of multimedia setup, flash setup, lack of confusing audio standards, 64bit vs 32bit mostly a non-issue, etc.
03:51.33scratchmeBasically, I tried to install Lenny stable, and I found I just use plain too much multimedia, and applications to use the stable install, which quickly got frustrating.
03:52.20scratchmeI quite enjoy the mounted paths in Linux over Window's mounted drives idea.
03:52.47scratchmeI also like how the broken net paths are quickly skipped rather than stalling out apps.
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03:53.08scratchmeHowever, things that are dirt simple in Windows like Installing Eclipse was quite hard in Lenny 64bit stable.
03:53.15babilenreally?
03:53.26scratchmeAt least a recent version of Eclipse that runs the plugins I require.
03:53.35scratchmeideally 3.4 or higher.
03:53.40babilenwhat about testing?
03:53.46babilenjudd: versions eclipse
03:54.01babilenjudd is dead
03:54.18scratchmeI didn't try that.  By the time I made this realization, my main desktop had been out of commission for about 3 days, and I needed to get back to work.
03:54.29babilenyeah, you would have to backport that from sid
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03:55.09scratchmeIt was kind of annoying for example that I managed to get macromedia flash working after much reading and trying stuff, then I tried to get my mic working for skype, and boom, I broke all the sounds alltogether.
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03:55.26babilenthere are other distributions that might fit better then debian
03:56.01scratchmeMaybe.  I just didn't have time to try them.  For server stuff, or when less apps are involved, and no multimedia, I quite enjoy it.
03:56.12scratchmeInstalling third party via aptitude is great.
03:56.37scratchmeI also like the cohesive nature in which they're updated.
03:58.58babilenbut i don't quite understand the multimedia problems you ran into. last time i had to struggle with that was quite some time ago
03:58.59scratchmeWhen reading through the ports tickets, I could see why it took so much effort to migrate a package into the stable slot.
03:59.43scratchmebabilen, well, I dunno.  Perhaps it didn't like the ICH9 onboard audio I am using in the 64bit Lenny stable, or perhaps I was just "doing it wrong".
03:59.55scratchmeIf I was, the obvious way wasn't leaping out at me.
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04:02.01scratchmeOnce I get my fiber channel cards, I'm going to test connecting to this used SATA -> FC raid array I bought.
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04:02.32scratchmeI got it cheaper than I could have gotten the drives, so if it doesn't pan out, I'm not worried, but if it does, it should be nice.  8x500GB in RAID 10.
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04:03.52babileni would say: come back if you have some problems you like to solve. there is always a solution
04:04.58scratchmeIf I give it another try, I'll buy a separate computer.
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04:05.22scratchmeIt was too stressful being out of commission on my primary desktop, which was probably part of it.
04:05.41babilensure
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04:07.02scratchmeHave you tried proxmox?
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04:18.41scratchmeThanks again babilen.
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04:31.01jondwarfhi, I've been trying to get an acer aspire one D250 working under ubuntu, and I figured I'd try debian. is anyone using this device with debian? I have a weird one; it has that attansic (sp?) ethernet chip but the wifi is by broadcom and no distro seems to like it
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04:32.10dvsjondwarf: there is a broadcom-source package in non-free Debian
04:32.17babilenjondwarf: http://www.linux-laptop.net/
04:32.36jondwarfis that like ubuntu's bcmwl-kernel-source ?
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04:32.58babilenjondwarf: proably. we would need the exact device to determine that
04:33.13jondwarfd250 isn't on that list, babilen
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04:33.56jondwarfis there a tool to make your own debian-live, so I can make my own system in virtualbox and then try it out on the netbook before installing?
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04:34.13jondwarf(bonus points if I can install from the livecd)
04:35.33jondwarfhttp://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7949 this claims the BCM43 devices are well supported in newer kernels. is that true?\
04:36.46dvsjondwarf: no, they're still working on it.  they don't work in DMA mode.
04:37.22dvsoh wait, that's the low power devices (in laptops and netbooks)
04:37.40jondwarfso how would I get it working reliably? that package doesn't seem to be in packages.debian.org (the broadcom-source one)
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04:38.08dvsbroadcom-sta-source in non-free
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04:38.55jondwarfso that's all I need? does it have to be installed in a machine with the driver, or can I carry over a VM copy?
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04:39.29dvsjondwarf: it has to be on the same machine.
04:39.53jondwarfhmm... is it just a simple install-the-.deb sort of thing|?\
04:39.59heparc_2It's possible to improve my script Bash ? (I'm French) :
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04:40.01heparc_2http://www.pasteyourcode.net/index.php/view/c330f45a
04:40.14jondwarfneither wired ethernet nor wifi would work on this netbook out of the box then...
04:40.16heparc_2it's an automatic update script
04:40.23dvsjondwarf: no, it compiles source once it's downloaded.
04:40.47babilen!b43
04:40.48dpkg[b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24.  Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter>.  USB devices not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>).  802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver.  BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>.  See also <bcm4312>.  http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx  #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net.
04:41.19babilen!installer firmware
04:41.20dpkgThe Lenny installer is able to load extra (non-free) <firmware> either by adding it to the installation media or from a USB stick.  See http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch06s04.html and http://dannf.org/bloggf/tech/add-firmware-to.html .  To include firmware within Debian <netboot> images, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/NetbootFirmware
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04:42.01babilenis that the right module?
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04:42.30jondwarfI've got to check if it's the right wifi card
04:43.05jondwarfahh, screw you windows 7. it identifies the wifi chip just as being "broadcom 802.11g"
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04:44.24jondwarfwhen I tried xubuntu 8.04 it tried to use wl, but I don't think it worked
04:44.57jondwarfso I'm not totally sure anymore what do to :S
04:45.06jondwarfwould my BIOS tell me what the wifi chip is?
04:45.45forced_lspci might
04:47.50jondwarflet me try xubuntu again then...
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04:51.25ipatrolThere are two scripts in .deb files, do they have to be shell scripts? or can they be a different shbang-preceeded executable text file?
04:52.56ipatrolhello?
04:54.33ipatrolum...
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04:55.49jondwarfok, so the wifi identifies as being "Broadcom Corp. BCM4310 USB"
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04:56.07ipatrolthat was random
04:56.08Kamping_Kaiseripatrol: need some more background ...
04:56.49setuidI'm installing 5.0.3 under vmware workstation onto a physical SATA drive in an external USB enclosure, so I can put that drive into the physical server later. Problem is, when I set this up, it was DHCP. Is there some CLI-based tool to reconfig the network so I can statically define its IP?
04:56.57ipatrolthere is a script run after installation and one run before removal in deb packages?
04:57.13ipatrolpostinst and prerem?
04:57.24jondwarfdo I have to use ndiswrapper for it, then, and does ndiswrapper need a compile/specific change?
04:57.39Kamping_Kaiseripatrol: have a look in debian policy, theres a asection for those scripts
04:57.56dvsjondwarf: I think the broadcom-sta-source package covers this one.
04:58.00ipatrolwhich page?
04:58.32Kamping_Kaiserno idea. look at the contents page
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04:58.46ipatrolKamping_Kaiser: Is that just policy? or is there a technecal reason?
04:59.03Kamping_Kaiser<PROTECTED>
04:59.05Kamping_Kaiser^^
04:59.16ipatrolurl?
04:59.25jondwarfhttp://wiki.debian.org/wl
04:59.39jondwarfit seems wl is the right driver... unless I go for broadcom-sta-source
04:59.42Kamping_Kaiseripatrol: jfgi, or install debian-policy package
04:59.54jondwarfnot sure which is more reliable though. thoughts?
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05:00.24jondwarfoh lol. I think wl requires broadcom-sta-source...\
05:00.52setuidHow do I reconfigure debian for static addressing?
05:01.10dvsjondwarf: it's the same thing.
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05:01.59ipatrolKamping_Kaiser: I don't actually *use* debian, I just need .deb help
05:02.21jondwarfyeah, ok... and lspci is the right way to ID it, right?
05:02.33Kamping_Kaisersetuid: network address? /etc/network/interfaces
05:02.51jondwarfshould I use ndiswrapper or wl then?
05:03.46Kamping_Kaiseripatrol: you don't need to use debian to browse its website. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=debian+policy
05:04.31dvsjondwarf: up to you.  I'm using wl on my HP mini.
05:05.27jondwarfwhat's the ups/downs? are they both stable? I like the thought of ndiswrapper only because it doesn't seem to require compilation...
05:05.44dvsI've never used ndiswrapper.
05:05.53ipatrolKamping_Kaiser: The page you mentioned does not say if maintainer scrips can be python or perl
05:05.57jondwarfwas wl straightforward to install?
05:06.01setuidKamping_Kaiser, Sure... but there's an ncurses tool that sets it up originally, what do I run to get to that tool?
05:06.02dvsyup
05:06.34Kamping_Kaisersetuid: there is? debconf is the tool, not sure what you'd reconfigure to change those settings though
05:06.42jondwarfand for lenny, do I actually need to fetch squeeze packages?
05:07.07dvsoh, not sure. I'm using squeeze.
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05:08.17Kamping_Kaiseripatrol: ah ok, try policy 6.1. its not set it stone it seems.
05:08.28Kamping_Kaiseripatrol: 2nd para of 6.1
05:08.29jondwarfhum, still planning to use lenny here, hm...\
05:10.52jondwarfhttp://wiki.debian.org/wl#Lenny
05:11.11jondwarfI'm looking at this and I'm wondering if it does require squeeze packages or not
05:12.11dvsjondwarf: that is getting packages from squeeze.
05:12.36jondwarfwould this method survive updates?\
05:12.39ipatrolKamping_Kaiser: It seems that *any* executable will work, thx
05:12.56jondwarfor is it one of those hacks that a new kernel would break?\
05:13.15dvsjondwarf: they would be considered local packages.
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05:13.52ipatrolhttp://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/
05:13.56IndroraAnyone know of some really low-resource Famicom emulators for *nix?
05:14.04ipatrolStupid paste key
05:14.06Kamping_Kaiseripatrol: just make sure the interperator you need is available when you install the pakcage.
05:14.36jondwarfdvs: so would the wifi stop working after an update? does stable get new kernels?
05:14.51dvsjondwarf: it would have to be recompiled.
05:15.45jondwarfhum. I guess that's not a big issue. are most of those dependencies just a single deb each? I won't have LAN access so everything would need to be sneakernetted\
05:15.59jondwarfor ideally, if I could remaster the disc, prepared in advance
05:16.29dvsdunno
05:16.43jondwarfhmm
05:16.53jondwarfthanks for everything, though
05:17.21dvsnp
05:17.32jondwarfare intel graphics working properly in lenny? I heard intel's drivers were wonky at one point because of the whole stack re-write
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05:19.53ipatrolAAMOF: nearly half of policy deals with packages
05:20.09Richdog567what is Debian?
05:20.41ipatrolRichdog567: an OS
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05:26.55jondwarfwell, I just found out this acer aspire has a SATA hard drive. I'm just going to boot it with my main computer and install the necessary drivers with it
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06:04.09Ben^I'm wanting to script control of an old app that runs in text mode. To do this I need to be able to query the screen (via stdout I guess) to make decisions on what to do next via the script. What would be a good way to do this? I'm looking at cURL right now as it has basic telnet support, so I'm thinking of making a telnet session to localhost and then starting the app. Seems overly complicated though.
06:05.17zig_Is Stow a pretty standard solution to keeping /usr/local organized?
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06:12.56pipelinezig_: don't organize /usr/local.  Build software in its own $PREFIX in /opt.
06:13.17pipelinezig_: alternatively, checkinstall will use dpkg for file-level tracking of things you install to /usr/
06:13.22pipelinezig_: in general: avoid /usr/local
06:15.14kelvinqis Debian and Ubuntu going to sync their release cycles anytime soon?
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06:21.31FarOutHey, I'm trying to gewt my Linksys WUSB54GC usb wireless adapter to work on debian.  I've followed the instructions at http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi/rt73#Drivers , but it's still not working.
06:22.10FarOutWhen I enter ifconfig, I don't get my old "no wireless extensions." message, but I'm still not able to connect to the internet
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06:23.05FarOutthen I tried 'dhclient wlan0', but I got a message along the lines of 'no requests sent'
06:23.19FarOuteven though there was a message from an IP that I'm pretty sure is my router
06:23.38FarOut(I'll check as soon as the command completes again, I've turned my computer off since then)
06:23.44FarOutwait
06:24.07FarOutthis time I got the same "No DHCPOFFERS received." message, but there were none.
06:24.20FarOutDoes anyone have any suggestions/advice?
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06:27.04FarOutOkay, I just did the command "iwconfig wlan0 essid <myessid> key <mykey>
06:27.04FarOutand reran the dhclient wlan0 command
06:27.36FarOutand received a DHCPOFFER from my router, sent a request to broadcast, received an ack from the router
06:28.00FarOutand then I got the error "chown: failed to get attibutes of '/etc/resolv.conf': No such file or directory"
06:28.31FarOutand then "bound to 192.168.2.11 -- reneewal in 111584 seconds.
06:28.34FarOut"
06:28.54FarOutAlso, I just did "cat /etc/resolv.conf"
06:28.59FarOutand it _is_ a file
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06:29.30FarOutAlso, the  ip in the "bound to..." error is one digit off from the ip of my router
06:29.40sixtila_after debian setup, i only get a bash
06:29.46sixtila_how do i load normally?
06:29.48FarOut192.168.2.1 eq router, 192.168.2.11 eq the last one
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06:30.11FarOutWAIT
06:30.14FarOutIT'S WORKING
06:30.16FarOut:D
06:30.27FarOutthanks #debian ;P
06:31.08sixtila_why do i get the bash while booting up debian (fresh install)
06:31.45FarOutsixtila_, what version did you install?
06:31.52sixtila_lenny
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06:32.10sixtila_from iso dvd - without network mirror
06:33.05FarOutare you connected to the internet?
06:33.29sixtila_ya
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06:33.44sixtila_right now i m in ubuntu cause i cant boot debian
06:33.45FarOuttry installing a window manager via bash
06:34.22FarOutAlso
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06:34.36FarOutwhen you installed, did you use the graphical install or the commandline isntall?
06:34.48sixtila_i used the graphical install
06:35.11sixtila2farout from ipod here, will rrstart now
06:35.23FarOutokay
06:36.04sixtila2man since yesterday i m trying
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06:36.39sixtila2ok
06:36.42sixtila2in bash
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06:37.41sixtila2farout how i install window manager?
06:38.02beefcubehow do I install xpdf on debian-503? for some reason the it's not coming up in the usuall source list, and I really don't care to tweak that
06:38.20FarOutsixtila2, not sure, I've never done it
06:38.26FarOutI'd imagine it would go something along the lines of
06:38.32FarOutsudo apt-get install KDE
06:38.36FarOutor GNOME
06:39.36sixtila2which is better?
06:39.56beefcubeno, seriously wtf, ot
06:40.08beefcubeno, seriously wtf, it's really rediculous that xpdf is missing out of squeeze main
06:40.24FarOutsixtila2, depends on what you prefer...
06:41.04sixtila2i installed gnome, just so
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06:47.03jmarsdenbeefcube: xpdf seems to lack an active maintainer, see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=535261
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07:00.12sixtila2whenever i upgrade/install nything in deb, it completely removes everything
07:00.31sixtila2and security update fails all time
07:01.17sixtila2rightnow i installed iceweasel and it removed the whole gnome
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07:48.09tuvyzwhat is a tool that shows network bandwidth per application? i like iftop, but it's py port, so one application with multiple connections is shown multiple times - one per connection
07:48.26darkblueBhello- I want to add postgres 8.4 to my lenny system.. so I added backports to sources.list.. but, how do I prefer pkgs from bakports? its giving me errors about the wrong pg-common and libpq5
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07:49.07darkblueBhmm tuvyz thats sounds a little tricky.. what exacty is an applciation?
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07:49.33darkblueBmaybe there is something that does that.. but thats my own reaction
07:50.40tuvyzdarkblueB: a process?
07:50.57darkblueBmaybe - but it gets messy quickly
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07:52.41darkblueBapt-get install -t lenny-backports postrgesql-8.4
07:52.53darkblueBthat seems to be the trick
07:55.07raflhow would i stop a driver from attaching to a certain device, without actually disabling the driver?
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08:10.28nynei want to use debian lenny as a host for a few virtual machines (webservers, etc) is it better to use kvm or xen?
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08:14.18SpeedyG!better
08:14.19dpkgwell, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better".
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08:16.13darkblueBwell nothing to ease my bleary eyes
08:16.54darkblueBI think I have successfully navigated this.. tearing out all of apache and postgres and back, with pg from backports and a new wsgi
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08:18.52krionnyne: you could only use kvm if you got a cpu that's compatible with it
08:19.31krionnyne: i use xen at work and find it very easefull to use
08:20.00darkblueBI use VirtualBox, and I find it very easy to work with
08:20.06krionrafl: you should have a look at modprobe/blacklist if you got it compiled as a module
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08:20.52krioni use virtualbox when i want to try something with Xorg server
08:21.25raflkrion: i do, and i did. however, the documentation is quite unclear on how to define aliases
08:21.58raflkrion: i see the driver has some built-in wildcard alias (like, usb:v*p*d*dc*dsc*dp*ic03isc*ip*), and i need to disable one of the things it matches
08:22.16nynethe background would be that the boxes are intended to do a bit of testing of web services. mysql / apache / etc to be used in a lab / staging enviornment. i've got a pile of machines in my living room
08:22.25nyneI want to be able to manage as much of it remotely as possible
08:22.27raflhowever, nothing seems to point to an explaination of the syntax of those aliases, or how i'd go about obtaining the right thing for a particular device
08:22.49nynedoes kvm support rebooting? i tried to reboot a host once from virt-manager in kvm and it told me that i couldn't reboot as it wasn't supported
08:22.53nyneis this known?
08:23.16krionmy cpu doesn't handle kvm :-)
08:23.41krionrafl: hum, tricky...
08:23.48nynethe machines i'm using all support kvm but i'm not sure if it's the better choice than xen. does anyone have a good write up on either using lenny?
08:24.11raflkrion: well, probably not tricky at all. just very badly documented :-)
08:25.46darkblueBI have heard that xen is showing its age, and that kvm is now the official vm
08:26.00darkblueB.. but nothing more than that
08:26.29nynei've heard similar chatter mainly due to the fact that people feel that xen "isnt linux" since it is technically its own microkernel
08:26.49nyneredhat basically dumped it after selling it as a must have to every company it could reach
08:27.00nynetwo of my previous employers included.
08:27.14krioni see that snd-pcsp is blacklisted out of the box now :-)
08:27.17kriongood choice
08:27.19darkblueByeah - isnt the point of xen to not have an OS at all ?
08:27.51darkblueBits a microkernal on the hardware, specifically to instantiate VMs
08:27.54krionmy employers use it too
08:28.09darkblueBso its not really "on" lenny at all, if I understand
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08:31.24raflapparently the modalias files in the sysfs contain the full module aliases for each device. however, disabling that specific modalias doesn't work the way i expected. i guess the fact that aliases are tried late, when no module was found, is screwing me.
08:35.41nynedarkblueB: you would still boot into debian and then start xen as a service and launch each virtual node inside of xen
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08:47.24raflunbinding the driver from the device manually seems to be rather easy. just writing the device id into the drivers unbind file in sysfs does just that.
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08:49.55rafloh, well. this shall be Good Enough for now
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09:03.25weakishsome deb package requires interactive configuration.  How can I bypass that?
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09:07.16Rahimi use grub-legacy in lenny and want to add an image to grub boot menu. How can i do it?
09:07.35raflweakish: i don't think you should (or possibly even can) turn it off completely, but dpkg-reconfigure debconf will allow you to at least reduce the number of questions you're being asked to those that could break the system if answered incorrectly
09:09.15weakishrafl: Thanks.  I want to automated package installation in shell scripts.   Thus I need to do it in a non interactive way.
09:11.54weakishRahim: /etc/grub.conf ?
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09:14.37Rahimweakish: i have this mepis message image which i like andwants to add it to my debian grub menu
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09:21.44SkyFlyergot a question on converting a livecd to be booted via pxe
09:22.03SkyFlyercentos has a package called livecd-tools
09:22.36SkyFlyerthis package includes a program, livecd-iso-to-pxeboot which converts the iso to a big initrd image
09:22.43SkyFlyeris there any package like that for debian?
09:24.23SkyFlyere.g. https://projects.centos.org/trac/livecd/wiki/PxeBoot
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09:36.09valdynSkyFlyer: debian doesnt do pxe boot like that
09:36.42SkyFlyer:(
09:36.47SkyFlyerstupid sata controller doesn't let me boot off of a CD
09:37.02valdynfilename "/srv/tftp/pxelinux.0";
09:37.09valdynSkyFlyer: debian does support pxe install though
09:37.43valdyn!pxe
09:37.43dpkg[pxe] Pre-boot eXecution Environment, a network boot protocol.  A <TFTP> server with tsize support (such as tftpd-hpa, atftpd, dnsmasq) is required for PXE.  See also <pxelinux>, <netboot>, <gpxe>.
09:37.52valdyn!netboot
09:37.52dpkgmethinks netboot is a Debian installation method involving the use of TFTP and DHCP (or BOOTP, RARP) servers, to provide installation media to clients on a local network.  Not recommended for novice users, ask me about <netinst> instead.  See also <install guide>, <netboot miniiso>, <installer firmware>.
09:38.24SkyFlyeryeah but i had issues with the netinst too
09:38.35valdynSkyFlyer: use the netboot
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09:38.47SkyFlyeri had issues pulling packages off of the internet
09:38.48SkyFlyerdunno why
09:38.49valdynSkyFlyer: or use an installer that supports your sata controller
09:38.58SkyFlyerits not the installer that doesn't like the sata
09:39.06valdynSkyFlyer: pxe booting will just the same break if your sata controller is unsupported
09:39.10SkyFlyerstupid thing will not let me boot off of CD if a drive is installed
09:39.23valdynSkyFlyer: thats a bios setting
09:39.26SkyFlyerit bickers with the bios or something
09:39.29uklhello. Does anybody know Skype alternatives (for video chats) that support flaky connections? (that are a bit more tolerant with them, at least)
09:39.36SkyFlyeryeah but even if i tell it not to boot off of the sata, it still does it
09:39.45valdynukl: theres only google talk i think
09:39.53valdynukl: ( except the sip stuff )
09:40.22SkyFlyerworks fine if there's no drive attached to the sata controller
09:40.32SkyFlyerbut then what's the point?
09:40.35SkyFlyerlol
09:40.55uklvaldyn: thanks for the pointer.
09:40.59valdynSkyFlyer: just read about netboot then
09:41.12SkyFlyernetboot pulls files off of the net, right?
09:41.16SkyFlyerhttp or ftp?
09:41.19valdynSkyFlyer: thats pxe
09:41.28valdynSkyFlyer: netboot != netinstall
09:41.50valdynSkyFlyer: netinstall boots off cdrom , netboot boots via pxe
09:41.57valdynSkyFlyer: both grab files via network
09:42.11valdynSkyFlyer: both grab *packages* via network
09:42.30SkyFlyerthat's where i had issues
09:42.36SkyFlyergrabbing packages off of the network
09:42.47SkyFlyerand i'm on a windows laptop...
09:42.51SkyFlyer=\
09:43.05SkyFlyertrying to install debian on that stupid desktop
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09:43.27SkyFlyeri have the tftpd installed... would make life way easy if there were just an all in one initrd
09:44.32SkyFlyeri was able to get gparted (debian based) to boot off of pxe / local http by using squashfs
09:44.52SkyFlyeris there a way to convert one of the install cds to squashfs?
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09:46.32valdynSkyFlyer: you better fix access to the net
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10:04.10massmchello, how do i check how much space all my users are taking up
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10:05.42SkyFlyermassmc: use some sort of quota system
10:06.28massmci thought it was a df command that would show me how much disk each user was taking up
10:07.39SkyFlyerdf -hl will show you how much disk space is free total for each mounted device
10:07.47SkyFlyerbut i don't believe it will tell you how much each user is using
10:07.57SkyFlyeri'm not sure though -- it may
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10:15.03massmcthanks SkyFlyer , i just remember doing it once but forgot how
10:15.12massmclike df the /home folder
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10:16.14SkyFlyeryeah you could do it that way -- quick and dirty
10:16.31SkyFlyerbut if your users have files elsewhere you won't pick it up, but it will give you a general idea
10:17.27SkyFlyermassmc
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10:17.38SkyFlyertry du -hs /homes/$username
10:18.07SkyFlyerif that doesn't work try df -hl /homes$username
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10:21.39massmcawesome thank you
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10:36.15Double12hi
10:36.34viniciusxphi
10:36.42Double12I need an easy-to-use firewall for Debian
10:36.48Double12something like ufw on Ubuntu
10:36.57Double12any suggestions? :)
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10:37.35SkyFlyersorry Double... I usually disable my fw as my router has a pretty nice one
10:37.59SkyFlyeri know iptables is considered to be decent.. there are some config programs for it too
10:39.27Double12So, if you have a NAT and a firewall on your router, you don't really need a firewall on your pc?
10:39.58SkyFlyerwell it depends
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10:40.08SkyFlyerdo you trust the other people on your internal network?
10:40.31SkyFlyerdo you take your laptop to places that isn't behind your router?
10:40.44SkyFlyerdo you VPN into other networks?
10:40.49AimHereDo you trust your router firewall not to get cracked?
10:41.16SkyFlyerThat too... depends on how good your router firewall is. But i figure if they crack my router, they'll be able to get into my PC as well
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10:41.52viniciusxpI just believe I am not a target... But I close all I can...
10:43.04Double12Well you could easily be a target, eg. if you are running a ssh server accesible from outside
10:44.00SkyFlyereh it increases your risk but doesn't make you a target
10:44.06viniciusxpI understand beeing " vulnerable". When I say I am not a target I mean, who the hell would be interested in OWNing me?
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10:44.51SkyFlyerdouble12: most people will do an nslookup on your ip
10:45.11SkyFlyersee you aren't really doing anything of consequence, and find a more "worthy" target
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10:45.25blokkiehi
10:45.37blokkieI created a script to mail me if a filesystem is full. When I launch it from the shell it works but when I put it in the crontab it gives te following error : unable to exec /usr/lib/sendmail -t, user -oem, output to sink null27-Dec-09 11:10
10:45.45SkyFlyeryou're more likely to attract attention by having port 80 or 443 open than the ssh port
10:45.57blokkieany hints how I can fix this ?
10:46.13viniciusxpSkyFlyer: I agree
10:46.45viniciusxpFor normal attacks yup
10:46.46SkyFlyeryou know... watching these yogi bear cartoons that I haven't watched in a good 10 or 15 years... I'm convinced that he's a drug addict.
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10:46.51SkyFlyerhe's on something
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10:47.04dgeary2Double12: i think iptables is easy enough to use once understood...
10:47.23SkyFlyerthere are people at my university that are like him... and man they are on some serious drugs
10:47.26viniciusxpHe' s a into a lot of acid dude
10:47.42viniciusxp60's 70's remember? :)
10:47.51SkyFlyerheh
10:48.03viniciusxpYogi was in Woodstock and dated Janes Joplin! :)
10:48.22SkyFlyerand wtf is up with booboo
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10:49.11cahootSkyFlyer: furthermore what's up with the relation to debian?
10:49.48SkyFlyerif you give me enough coffee I'm sure I could find one.
10:49.52Double12dgeary2: iptables seemed pretty hard to configure to me...but maybe it is easier than I think
10:50.12SkyFlyerDouble12: There are config programs out there... even GTK ones
10:50.39viniciusxpWOODSTOCK was GPL!
10:50.41SkyFlyerbut even without, take a few minutes to learn how to do it and it's pretty easy, at least for the simple stuff
10:50.45viniciusxpher the relation!
10:52.42dgeary2Double12: iptables can seem confusing at first, but it needs to be that way for the flexibility and power
10:53.22dgeary2Double12: afaict ufw is a front-end for iptables anyway...
10:53.46babilendgeary2: pf is not that confusing and superiour to iptables IMHO (but you are right with that argument)
10:53.49viniciusxpiptables is difficult at first... But after you get the logic, it becomes easier
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10:54.37Double12I installed Firestarter, but I don't really need that gui and it fails to start at bootup
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10:54.50Double12so I'll just try to install ufw on Debian
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10:58.27babilendgeary2: http://www.probsd.net/pf/index.php/Main_Page
10:58.40babilendgeary2: but you will need Debian/kFreeBSD for that
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11:01.01dgeary2babilen: i have never tried any of the bsd family...
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11:01.18babilen!kfreebsd
11:01.19dpkgDebian GNU/kFreeBSD is a port that consists of GNU userland using the GNU C library on top of FreeBSD's kernel, coupled with the regular Debian package set.  It is a Debian Squeeze release goal for kfreebsd-amd64 and kfreebsd-i386 to become release architectures.  http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/  http://glibc-bsd.alioth.debian.org/doc/  http://wiki.debian.org/Debian_GNU/kFreeBSD  #debian-kbsd on irc.oftc.net.
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11:06.26SkyFlyerwhat kernel does etch run on?
11:06.36SkyFlyer2.6.?
11:07.07babilen18 iir
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11:07.27SkyFlyercan't be that old... has to be in the 20s or 30s right?
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11:07.50babilenlinux-image-amd64 | 2.6.18+6etch3 |     oldstable | amd64, i386
11:08.05contrains30s are very recent
11:08.14SkyFlyerwow you're right
11:08.21SkyFlyeri need to see what vmware serve rlikes
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11:08.32SkyFlyeri know it doesn/'t like some of the newer ones due to security changes
11:08.34SkyFlyer=\
11:08.38babilenSkyFlyer: Why are you still running etch?
11:08.47SkyFlyerim not
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11:09.02SkyFlyertrying to find a distro that will work with vmware server
11:09.05babilenah, ok ... but you *want* an old kernel
11:09.14SkyFlyerwas going to use opensuse 11.1 but it's giving me fits trying to install over the net
11:09.20SkyFlyer11.3 goes fine, but kernel is too new
11:10.11babilenSkyFlyer: what is 'too new' ? There are other methods for virtualisation ...
11:10.42SkyFlyeri prefer vmware server. I'm trying to find what the newest I can go with. I think 11.3 used 2.6.31
11:11.13contrainsNight
11:11.56SkyFlyeri've used vmware at work in the past, and I don't want to run in a gui environment so vbox is out
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11:12.25babilenSkyFlyer: kvm, qemu, Xen?
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11:12.37SkyFlyerxen requires the new virtual instruction sets, I believe, which the processor I have in my desktop doesn't support
11:12.49SkyFlyernever tried kvm or qemu and don't really have the time or inclination to learn
11:13.18CellkillSkyFlyer, VboxHeadless
11:13.23babilenIt's just that *having* to use an old kernel is not really that, well, future-proof
11:13.30CellkillVirtualBox can be run without the Gui
11:13.33Cellkillit's quite easy
11:13.41SkyFlyerCellkill: vmware server better suites my needs. It has a nice webui
11:13.46SkyFlyerfor one
11:13.51SkyFlyerbetter user management over vms
11:14.09SkyFlyerbabilen: I agree, but until vmware comes out with a fix...
11:14.14CellkillSuit yourself, Virtualbox has the best performance and that is what best serves my purposes :)
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11:14.35babilenSkyFlyer: Which processor are you using?
11:14.53SkyFlyeran old athlon XP 1800+
11:14.58dgeary2Double12: what is the firewall to be used for?
11:15.31dgeary2Double12: this may help: http://www.iescopernic.com/sergi_wiki/upload/9/91/Iptables_diagram.png
11:15.42Cellkillewhh, virtualizing on that processor is so bad, no direct execution of x86 instructions = all emulation
11:16.23SkyFlyeri can't afford the new fancy smancy chips :P
11:16.26Double12dgeary2: where is my computer in this diagram
11:17.21dgeary2Double12: at the bottom
11:17.52Cellkillmeh, for $23 a month you could have a vps that more powerful than that processor, running any distro, and with a 100mbps uplink and 250GB or bandwidth
11:18.49SkyFlyercellkill: that's all good and well, but i pay for school myself
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11:19.00SkyFlyer$23 a month is a lot of money, believe it or not
11:19.23Cellkillso do i, and it's alot less than the $159 a month i was paying for the dedi server with LSTN.net
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11:20.24SkyFlyer$23 a month or $0 a month....
11:20.37CellkillI'm going to school for psych/counseling major/masters, but i teach and maintain my pc skills since that's my industry
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11:20.48SkyFlyeri think the $0 a month is the right one for my budget
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11:21.35Cellkillno, i understand, but dont forget your time is money too. you could turn that $23 investment into a profit by selling a few shell accounts and/or host a few websites
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11:22.54xinguCellkill: you could make millions working from home? :)
11:23.34SkyFlyerlol
11:23.41Cellkillxingu: before i started going to school i did quite well for myself working from home and only doing on-site work about 3 hrs a day
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11:24.01SkyFlyernot doing it for that. My desktop up here crapped out, so I need a new server to have backups and stuff on
11:24.05Cellkillxingu: I went to school becuase I got bored and decided i wanted to learn something new
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11:24.30SkyFlyerso I decided might as well set up a new server with samba, and virtualize it because my dad has been bugging me to set up a lamp server fo rhim
11:24.35SkyFlyerso two birds with one stone
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11:25.22CellkillSkyFlyer, :0, your dad knows php?
11:25.29SkyFlyerhe's trying to learn
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11:25.36SkyFlyeri think he more wants to set up his own blog
11:25.51SkyFlyeri dunno... i'll let him figure it out... once it's set up and running, i'll make a backup, and he's on his own
11:26.06CellkillSkyFlyer, I'd be happy if my dad knew the difference between left click and right click... and didn't have a facebook account.
11:26.30SkyFlyerlol
11:26.45SkyFlyerMy dad was heavy in the comp sci stuff since the 60s
11:26.55SkyFlyerhe's a bit antiquated, but he picks stuff up pretty quickly
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11:27.18SkyFlyerhe got pissed off at me for introducing him to linux since the last exposer to *nix was unix in the 80s and linux in the early 90s
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11:27.26xinguthis tete'a'tete is amusing in a weird kind of way, there's now people on this channel who have been using debian long enough to have teenage kids. :)
11:27.27SkyFlyerbut then he saw how much it had gotten better
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11:27.58CellkillSkyFlyer, my grandfather is the same way, he's actually more comfortable in linux console than he is in widows gui because he started with ms-dos/pcdos and basica/qbasic
11:28.00SkyFlyeri am no teenager good sir
11:28.27SkyFlyerCellKill my dad hates the console. he thinks the gui is the best invention ever... i guess he got burnt out using terminals for 30+ years
11:28.28SkyFlyerlol
11:28.47Cellkilli would
11:29.15Cellkilli'd have developed ncurses from scratch if i had to deal with raw console for that long
11:29.41SkyFlyerlol
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11:30.17Cellkillpersonally I dual boot XP/W7/Linux
11:30.28babilendual boot?
11:30.33Kamping_Kaiser*g*
11:30.46Cellkillhm?
11:30.55Kamping_Kaiserdual implies two :p
11:30.57Cellkilltri-boot?
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11:31.05Cellkillmulti-boot?
11:31.07cahoottrialboot?
11:31.14CellkillI boot into GRUB
11:31.17Cellkillhow about that?
11:31.32xingubabilen: two win32 instances only counts for one is the implication.
11:31.40babilenyeah
11:31.42SkyFlyeris there an ftp command to download a directory?
11:31.45dgeary2i want to exchange the kernel in a debian installer kernel / initrd pair... but am having troubles when the installer loads the installer components
11:32.08babilen!kmuto
11:32.08dpkgFor Debian Lenny (or Etch) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ .  The included <bnx2> and <bnx2x> firmware files in 0627 images are required to be moved prior to network hardware detection, see comments of http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2630-lenny.htm
11:32.12CellkillSkyFlyer, no, but if the client supports mget you can 'mget Directory'
11:32.14babilendgeary2: maybe ^^^
11:32.14dgeary2i'm not sure whether the troubles are due to a less than perfect debian mirror
11:32.37SkyFlyerthanks
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11:33.22dgeary2babilen: oh, powerpc arch
11:33.51babilendgeary2: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianCustomCD
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11:34.08dgeary2babilen: also network booting...
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11:34.18SkyFlyerugh wtf is wrong with me
11:34.19Cellkill"My Chrome start window has like 3 porn pages on it, I don't even care, my girlfriend knows I look at porn, everyone looks at porn." <--- quote from a reddit comment...... makes me wonder if that guy would say that online if the anonymity of online handles and communication were stripped away
11:34.30dgeary2babilen: yeah, i like to make things difficult...
11:34.47babilendgeary2: but why do you need that kernel at install time?
11:35.04SkyFlyeri must be an idiot
11:35.11SkyFlyerwhy am I using the dos cli ftp client?
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11:36.01CellkillSkyFlyer, because you did the smart thing and removed IE so using the IE engine's FTP client built into explorer/internet explorer isn't possible
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11:36.31dgeary2babilen: nsadmin told me before that the installer kernel loads drivers from the kernel that it is about to install...
11:36.40SkyFlyercellkill yeah but i have a perfectly good ftp client
11:36.42SkyFlyeron here
11:36.45SkyFlyerfilezilla
11:36.52CellkillSkyFlyer, FileZilla client is a pretty decent W32 capable FOSS ftp client
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11:36.59CellkillSkyFlyer, dam beat me to it
11:37.01SkyFlyerthe past two days i've been all cli
11:37.07SkyFlyerso im stuck in cli mode
11:37.09SkyFlyer:S
11:37.25AimHereGui ftp never feels quite right to me
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11:37.36SkyFlyerdrag and drop is nice
11:37.40CellkillI know how you feel, Even in GUI i always need my command line
11:37.47Cellkillthat's why I have Launchy installed
11:37.48SkyFlyeris spoiled
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11:38.08CellkillLaunchy = best app on all my linux/windows desktops
11:38.10SkyFlyercellkill you won't believe this
11:38.22SkyFlyerwhere i used to work, I was the only real linux sysadmin
11:38.26SkyFlyerthe rest were windows
11:38.32CellkillDoesn't surprise me
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11:38.51CellkillThe CompSci education system is dominated by microsoft and cisco
11:38.57cahootSkyFlyer: use wget?
11:39.01SkyFlyerthe CIO told me I could have the servers boot into run level 3, but I had to install gnome / kde so that if someone needed to work on them, they could boot them into run level 5
11:39.06SkyFlyercahoot: windoze box
11:39.06CellkillAnd microsoft pays the schools to exclude linux/unix education
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11:39.42cahootSkyFlyer: sure wget is *nix only?
11:39.45pickcoderyet they still teach cobol
11:39.49CellkillSkyFlyer, did you tell him that any administration wasn't going to be done via gui anyway and they'd be running the gui just to open console widows
11:39.51SkyFlyercahoot: I could download it...
11:39.53AimHerewget is windowsable
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11:40.01SkyFlyeryes, but i don't feel like it
11:40.02SkyFlyer;)
11:40.11SkyFlyerlol cellkill, he knew, the cio had experience with linux
11:40.21Cellkill*sigh*
11:40.23SkyFlyerbut it was something the windows guys pressured him into doing
11:40.41SkyFlyerwe were using fedora, so the figured they could use the gtk applets to make the changes they needed
11:40.51AimHereCouldn't you have given them twm instead of gnome/kde?
11:41.05AimHereAversion therapy
11:41.10SkyFlyerlets see... i threw fedora 7 on there, and they're still using three of my servers... last I heard my uptime blows their 2k3 servers away
11:41.17CellkillI can run a lighttpd, mysql, php, memcached stack and use half the hardware/servers that a windows equivalent would
11:41.22SkyFlyerand fedora 7 wasn't even my choice :(
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11:41.58Cellkillyea, but you have to admit that linux blows for account/desktop intergration and management
11:41.59SkyFlyeri pushed and pushed for suse, or rhel... or even ubuntu, but we had to go with a free rpm solution... should have gone with centos but oh well... hindsight is 20/20
11:42.12CellkillActiveDirectory is actually the best in it's field
11:42.13SkyFlyercellkill: Yeah but suse is making tons of headway in that dept
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11:42.29SkyFlyeri will admit, I like windows AD
11:42.47CellkillWell, I look forward to competition, but I don't see them catching up to the power and dependability of AD anytime soon
11:43.09Cellkillespecially with flawless failovers to other servers in the AD tree with replication and what not
11:43.36SkyFlyeredirectory i think had potential
11:43.39Cellkilli keep 2 server 2008 R2 keys just for personal testing
11:43.47SkyFlyerbut novell fubared that so bad
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11:44.02Cellkillyea, they were actually doing real good
11:44.16Cellkillthen something happened and they just failed hardcore
11:44.21Cellkillfell so far behind
11:44.25SkyFlyeryeah
11:44.41SkyFlyerthey had a ton of the market share in the 90s
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11:44.48SkyFlyeri guess they got complacent or something
11:44.49Cellkillthat and NetWare
11:44.51Cellkill:(
11:44.59echosystmhey dudes
11:45.06SkyFlyeroh well
11:45.09echosystmi changed the dpi in gnome, but now im wondering what the default was
11:45.14echosystmis there any way i can find this out?
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11:45.49Cellkill<--- not a gnome/X guy :|
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11:46.30SkyFlyerhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=default+dpi+gnome+&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
11:46.33SkyFlyerlooks like 96
11:46.52echosystmno i mean the actual system dpi
11:46.52SkyFlyerbut yeah, i'd like to see a nice competitor to MS AD
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11:47.02SkyFlyerbecause it feels like they're getting complacent now too
11:47.04echosystm96 is just what everyone uses as deafault
11:47.16dHLanyone else find installing ruby on rails and al the trimmings to be a real pain in the arse bah
11:47.17echosystma lot of screens have a different actual dpi
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11:47.28Cellkillhttp://lmgtfy.com/?q=default+dpi+gnome <--- preferred google linkage :P
11:48.09CellkillSkyFlyer, I want to see something *not* based on LDAP and Kerberos
11:48.10echosystmCellkill: this is not a gnome issue
11:48.13echosystmit is an X issue
11:48.25Cellkillthat's the only thing about AD i don't like
11:48.42SkyFlyeri dunno i think ldap is ok
11:48.45pickcoderechosystm: X scans the hardware and sets it based on the chipset
11:48.48SkyFlyeri dunno how else you'd set it up
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11:48.56echosystmi know that pickcoder
11:49.03echosystmhow do i get it back to the default?
11:49.10echosystmi set it at 96
11:49.13Cellkillhttp://scanline.ca/dpi/
11:49.14SkyFlyeri wish MS and novell would collaborate and create a new standard
11:49.16echosystmbut now i want it back to the actual dpi
11:49.22pickcodershrugs
11:49.36Cellkill"If DDC does not specify a size, 75 DPI is used by default."
11:49.40SkyFlyersomething that gets released OSS but that will never happen
11:49.46pickcoderis there a custom mode line in the x config?
11:50.28echosystmnope
11:50.33echosystmbut there is in gnome
11:51.44CellkillSkyFlyer, Never happen, everytime someone comes out with a standard.... a well adopted standard, that's been around for years even..... MS will come afterwards, half-ass adopt the standard into their software, then add their own quirky shit to it and call it better, therefore forcing you to code everything twice or not trust the same things that work in every other implementation
11:52.05adb<PROTECTED>
11:52.05SkyFlyerlol
11:52.10CellkillI.E. Internet explorer, microsoft office, mssql
11:52.22echosystmnevermind, i worked it out
11:52.22SkyFlyeryeah i never figured out wtf was up with mssql
11:52.29Cellkillthey were like
11:52.31CellkillZOMG
11:52.33nseHow can I earn money working with Debian?
11:52.42SkyFlyeri can understand office... even IE to a degree
11:52.44SkyFlyerbut mssql?
11:52.55rgrfix peoples video and sound problems :-;
11:52.55pickcodernse: commercial installs and support
11:52.56SkyFlyerthen again that's microsofts business strategy
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11:53.05SkyFlyerlook at dos
11:53.13SkyFlyernse: become a linux sysadmin
11:53.26CellkillWE NEED TO COMPETE IN DATABASES, LETS COPY/PASTE CHANGE THE VARIABLES/functions and just generally make it look like we innovated something. then we can add an SLA and slap microsoft on it. 4. PROFIT!!
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11:54.13Cellkillno, look at powershell
11:54.33SkyFlyerlol
11:54.37Cellkillhow long has linux had a scriptable, powerful, global/local variables, etc....
11:54.46SkyFlyerpowershell is actually decent i've decided
11:54.53Cellkilland ms comes out with powershell, and scream about how awesome it is
11:55.07adb!ot
11:55.08dpkgPlease keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e. Debian support); imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.  #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions.
11:55.13rgroh ffs, give us all a break.
11:55.16Cellkillwhe all they did is glue visualbasic and vbs/js to command.com
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11:55.55Cellkillrgr, a break from the useless banter?
11:55.55echosystmi just installed debian and windows seem really slow
11:56.02echosystmpossible graphics driver issue?
11:56.23echosystmlike, switching between windows is really slow
11:56.25rgrThe anti MS ranting. Take it to an advocacy group :-;
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11:57.20Cellkillechosystm, is it running in framebuffer mode at a low res? or with an Opensource driver rather than a manufacturer driver maybe?
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11:58.22Cellkillrgr, I'm not actually anti-MS, I'm anti-copypasta. I actually love Windows 7, they've reinvented the wheel and they've done it quite well in my opinion.
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11:58.48echosystmCellkill: i didnt do any specific configuring
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11:59.02echosystmi just installed xorg and gnome-core, then startx
11:59.04echosystmand here i am
11:59.11echosystmresolution is fine and everything, its just really slow
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11:59.57Cellkillechosystm, what video card do you have?
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12:00.11echosystmintel 945GSE or something
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12:00.17echosystmits an atom netbok
12:00.22Cellkillok
12:00.32CellkillIm running the same thing on this netbook
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12:00.39Cellkilllet me switch into linux and come right back
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12:02.53sphenxesHow can I delete headers older than 10 days in pan newsreader? I have configured during installation to delete older articles (30 days). how can i change it to 10 days?
12:03.04SkyFlyerechosystem you're not running compiz fusion or something are you?
12:03.06SkyFlyerlol
12:03.09echosystmnope
12:03.20echosystmlike i said, xorg + gnome-core
12:03.21echosystmthats it
12:03.27SkyFlyergotcha
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12:04.13Phantomashello everyone! I have a debian lenny installation in an old pc. When the kernel is loading the screen goes on power save mode... Any ideas?
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12:04.25CellKillOk
12:05.19pickcoderPhantomas: disable acpi in the grub kernel settings and try again
12:05.28SkyFlyerlooks like i'll have a project this spring break. :(
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12:05.39echosystmi just left my xorg.conf as whatever xorg generates when you install it
12:06.00Phantomaspickcoder: tried it ... same thing again: power-save :(
12:06.57pickcoderdid you try disabling it in BIOS?
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12:07.36Phantomasyes... I tried both together... BIOS and in the kernel line of grub
12:07.52CellKillechosystm: hmm
12:08.19SkyFlyerhmm it looks like centos is running 2.6.18
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12:08.38Phantomaspickcoder:  If it helps, when i choose memtest from grub it won't go on power save
12:08.40pickcoderPhantomas: did you install a "desktop" install or a "standard" install
12:09.19Phantomasstandard (if you mean no GUI)
12:09.50pickcoderok.. was hoping it was a sync freq issue
12:10.01pickcoderhow old is 'old'
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12:10.42CellKillechosystm: grep 'i915' /proc/bus/pci/devices
12:10.57JinoFixx<PROTECTED>
12:10.57JinoFixx[root@httpd1 jybsd]# touch a6532ed5df3ffbf0b9d47ef39d3b89e8
12:10.57JinoFixxtouch: cannot touch `a6532ed5df3ffbf0b9d47ef39d3b89e8': No space left on device
12:10.57JinoFixxif i try to read or write another file it works, what could be ?
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12:11.17JinoFixx[root@httpd1 jybsd]# touch a6532ed5df3ffbf0b9d47ef39d3b89e8
12:11.22JinoFixxtouch: cannot touch `a6532ed5df3ffbf0b9d47ef39d3b89e8': No space left on device
12:11.25JinoFixxif i try to read or write another file it works, what could be ?
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12:11.33pickcoderpastebin...
12:11.51CellKillJinoFixx: Quotas?
12:11.56echosystmdoesnt show anything CellKill
12:11.58JinoFixxi'm root
12:12.05Phantomaspickcoder: hm... a Jetway P4MFM with a celeron (let me check the exact model of the cpu)
12:12.13CellKillechosystm: you don't have driver intstalled for chipset/video
12:12.20JinoFixxit does not work even with root
12:12.31JinoFixxit's like that file has been blocked
12:12.33echosystm00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
12:12.34echosystm00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
12:12.34echosystm00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS/GME, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
12:12.35Rahimhow o anable middle-click scrolling in konqueror?
12:12.50echosystmhow is that possible CellKill? it should be installed by default
12:12.53Rahimalso clled 'auto-scrolling'
12:12.55CellKillechosystm: what about  grep 'agpgart-intel' /proc/bus/pci/devices?
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12:13.24echosystmyeah that returns a bunch of stuff
12:13.33CellKilloh, ok
12:13.46pickcoderPhantomas: if it's a 686 series then there's no reason it shouldn't boot it fine
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12:14.02echosystmlots of zeros separated by tabs, 0000808627ac etc.
12:14.05CellKillyea
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12:14.32echosystmi am running a backported kernel by the way
12:14.36CellKillwell, what kinda performance issues are you having?
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12:14.43echosystm2.6.30.2.2-686
12:14.54echosystmerr, 2.6.30.2-686 i mean
12:15.08echosystmi had to do this to get my wireless working
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12:15.31CellKill2.6.31-14 her
12:15.31echosystmgnome takes a long time to start up and windows are just really sluggy when opening/closing/minimising/moving
12:15.50echosystmredrawing is really slow
12:16.04babilenechosystm: are any desktop effects enabled (shadows, ...)
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12:16.27echosystmnone at all
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12:16.51CellKillhe didn't install compiz
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12:17.22babilenmetacity does support some since, 2.22
12:17.22echosystmshould i try a different kernel maybe?
12:17.31echosystm2.6.30.1 perhaps
12:17.42babilenechosystm: coul you try running "gconftool-2 -s  --type bool  /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager false"
12:17.53echosystmi remember there being some big intel problems in the kernel that ubuntu 9.04 used
12:17.56echosystmperhaps it is the same kernel
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12:18.25babilenotherwise it has to be the xorg driver config
12:18.38echosystmtheres definately no compositing
12:18.42jamesstanleyIs virt-manager 0.8.1 considered working on squeeze, or is it sort of a work in progress?
12:18.45echosystmall i did is apt-get install xorg gnome-core
12:18.49JinoFixx...
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12:19.01echosystmi do get some errosr when x starts
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12:19.08echosystmbut ive seen them before without this problem
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12:19.09echosystmhang on
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12:19.46echosystmintel: no matching device section for blah blah blah
12:20.06CellKillohhh...
12:20.08echosystmthen a whole bunch of...  module "****" already built in
12:20.36echosystmwhats the command to regenerate an xorg?
12:20.43CellKill`
12:20.48babilenechosystm: could you paste you xorg log /var/log/Xorg.0.log please?
12:20.50dHLruby on rails is a piece of shit to install !!!
12:20.56dHLdon't ask me why
12:21.11babilendHL: try pylons, turbogears, django ;-)
12:21.42babilendHL: just kidding, what issues do you have (but beware: I have no RoR experience)
12:21.59CellKillhey, echosystm, have you tried just renaming you xorg.conf to xorg.conf.donotuse or something to let xorg try to generate/run on its own?
12:22.01dHLlol
12:22.06babilenechosystm: easiest way to do so, would be to 'pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
12:22.12dHLwell to be honnest it might not be that bad in itself
12:22.27Phantomaspickcoder: BIOS doesn't say the cpu model :(
12:22.33dHLit's more like redmine is a piece of shit to install because it requires specific versions of each ruby component etc.
12:22.45dHLwhich is a real pain in the arse
12:22.48babilendHL: is redmine not packaged in debian?
12:23.01echosystmafaik debian stable needs xorg.conf?
12:23.02dHLnope
12:23.04babilendHL: ah, not in stable
12:23.11echosystmi dont thinkg it will run without it
12:23.15dHLnah it's a squeeze
12:23.25pickcoderPhantomas: it sounds like a video issue, but I have no idea where to start
12:23.27babilen!tell dHL -about ssb
12:23.36dHLi just was following some rough guide i found online but it's freakin huge lol
12:23.37echosystmanyway, pastebining my error log an xorg.conf
12:23.47CellKillechosystm: i believe it should....
12:23.50babilenechosystm: thanks
12:23.51echosystmi will rename xorg.conf and try again while you guys are looking at it
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12:24.01CellKilllatest xorg should be able to autodetect
12:24.10dHLyea but it's probably too late now... i've already started manually configing and downloading /installing loads of shit :-/.
12:24.12dHLlol
12:24.23dHLprobably making a mess of it but oh well fuck you RoR !
12:24.23dHL:P
12:24.26babilenechosystm: could you also paste the output of 'glxinfo' please
12:24.32Phantomaspickcoder: but if it is a video issue how can memtest work?
12:24.45CellKill<PROTECTED>
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12:25.31echosystmhttp://pastebin.ca/1728330
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12:26.03echosystmi dont have that command babilen
12:26.25echosystmwhat is it from?
12:26.27echosystmmesa?
12:26.42pickcoderPhantomas: framebuffer enabled when user mode starts?
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12:27.13pickcoderthat's the only thing I can think of
12:27.18dHLanyone know how to check whether one has 32 or 64 bit version of ruby installed? :/
12:27.30pickcoderit's accessing memory or resources that don't work properly on your older chip
12:27.42pickcodergrub uses int hooks more than likely
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12:27.52castdHL: file /usr/bin/ruby might work
12:28.32castdHL: generally though, if you're running 386 port - 32, amd64 - 64
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12:29.06babilenechosystm: it's part of mesa-utils IIRC
12:29.32SkyFlyerdude pxe is the best thing ever
12:29.38babilenechosystm: and the log looks fine so far ..
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12:30.22Phantomaspickcoder: The mainboard has some bad caps too ... Maybe this is the problem...
12:30.43CellKillechosystm: yea, your log matches mine almost line for line... lol... asus aspire one?
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12:30.57echosystmsamsung n120
12:31.02CellKillclose enough
12:31.15GattoDiSchrodingsomeone managed to integrated the look of GTK applications in KDE4? (debian testing)
12:31.18echosystmhttp://pastebin.ca/1728332
12:31.37echosystmi will try removing my xorg.conf
12:31.37echosystmbrb
12:32.17pickcoderPhantomas: possibly.. you can always try loading X to test video function
12:32.49Phantomaspickcoder: from grub?
12:33.08SkyFlyerThe history of pXe: A man wakes up one morning and decides he wants to be an hero to all people
12:33.18CellKillwoah, 20061017
12:33.20CellKillouch
12:33.26SkyFlyer"On this day I shall create a system that will revolutionize how people imagine machines"
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12:33.44echosystmnup still slow as crap
12:33.45pickcoderPhantomas: no in Debian.. if you can't get X to run correctly then you know it's a video hardware issue
12:34.01echosystmi think this might be the kernel issue they had in ubuntu
12:34.04pickcodersee if gdm or kdm will start up after boot
12:34.31pickcoderI would, personally, do more Google digging on kernel issues first
12:34.42CellKillOpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GME 20061017 x86/MMX/SSE2 <--- yours  | mine ----> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 945GME GEM 20090712 2009Q2 RC3 x86/MMX/SSE2
12:34.45Phantomaspickcoder: thanks :)
12:34.58babilenechosystm: your xorg configuration looks fine. no errors and direct rendering
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12:35.19echosystmok ubuntu was 9.04
12:35.21CellKillyea, but look at the capab and date on the vid driver, that's pre-atom
12:35.24babilenCellKill: good catch
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12:35.32echosystmi mean, it was 2.6.28
12:35.38echosystmthats the bad kernel for intel
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12:35.51echosystmwhere can i get 2.6.31 from?
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12:35.55echosystmjust to try
12:36.04echosystmi dont suppose it is in backports?
12:36.09Kanisterschleifehi all
12:36.20babilenthat would be libgl1-mesa-dri, wouldn't it?
12:36.43adbechosystm, so running  ubuntu ?
12:36.55echosystmno, i am running debian
12:37.04CellKilleither -dri or -glx
12:37.15echosystmi was just saying, ubuntu 9.04 had issues with intel video @ 2.6.28
12:37.23echosystmim running 2.6.30.2 from backports
12:37.55CellKillwhat version of debian are you running?
12:38.00CellKill5.0.3?
12:38.07echosystmyep
12:38.08adbechosystm, 2.6.32  is on repos
12:38.26babilenCellKill: which version of libgl1-mesa-dri do you use?
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12:38.35echosystmim using stable w/ backports
12:38.41babilenwonders if backporting that might solve the issue
12:39.26babilendon't know what dependencies that might entail though
12:40.18babilenit would need the xorg from testing too
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12:40.41CellKillbabilen: 7.6
12:41.23echosystmmaybe i should just switch to testing
12:41.37CellKillDepends: libc6 (>= 2.4), libdrm-intel1 (>= 2.4.13), libdrm-radeon1 (>= 2.4.12), libdrm2 (>= 2.3.1), libexpat1 (>= 1.95.8)
12:42.10babilenand Breaks: ..., xserver-xorg-core (< 2:1.5)
12:42.16CellKillyep
12:42.20CellKilllol
12:42.44echosystmhow can i just totally switch over to debian testing?
12:42.47babilenechosystm: you could upgrade to testing. How comfortable are you with doing so?
12:42.54echosystmive never done it before
12:43.01castechosystm: if you don't know that...maybe you shouldn't
12:43.21echosystmis it just as simple as changing the repo in sources?
12:43.29echosystmsources.lst
12:43.49echosystmthen apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade or something?
12:44.07CellKillechosystm: it is and it isn't, it can break alot of things, some things installed may not work/run anymore... apps built/compiled with current libs may have to be rebuilt
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12:44.30echosystmawesome
12:44.31echosystmwell
12:44.34echosystmlets do it
12:44.40babilenechosystm: essentially yes - the point is that testing is harder to administer. You should be able to fix bugs yourself and deal with the changes that this 'moving target' forces on you
12:44.44CellKillthere is also the chance that some packages may not be working and/or supported and will be removed as part of the dist-upgrade
12:44.47echosystmbecasue what i have at the moment is not usable
12:45.03babilenechosystm: :-D
12:45.10babilen!lenny->squeeze
12:45.20babilendpkg: lenny->squeeze
12:45.21dpkgRemove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade.  Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
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12:45.55babilenbut you should read the lenny release notes as well. They contain a lot of tips/procedures that are valid for *any* dist upgrade
12:47.21babilenechosystm: you should also install apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs
12:47.27babilenand i am not sure if it is the best time to switch to testing now. apt was/is broken ...
12:47.55echosystmgrr
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12:48.26babilen!dbugs 561852
12:48.30dpkg#561852:G[apt] apt: Method http has died unexpectedly (undefined symbol:) (); Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:03:01 UTC []
12:49.08babilenwe found a way to circumvent that yesterday in #debian-devel ... but things like these happen
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12:49.52echosystmi'll see what happens if i boot under the old kernel
12:49.55echosystmbrb
12:50.04babilenand we were still not sure if we haven't discovered two unrelated bugs, because we could not reproduce the 'missing library'
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12:51.24babilenolder kernel won't help though ...
12:51.44CellKill<3 chrome/google having a deb repo just for chrome's official releases... It updates with apt-get update/upgrade
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12:52.15CellKillbabilen: yea, i think he's missed the point that it's outdated soft/lib for his hardware no the kernel
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12:52.34babilenyep
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12:52.50echosystmno change
12:52.53babilennot sure how to deal with though ...
12:52.55echosystmstill slow
12:52.58babilenechosystm: that was expected
12:53.16echosystmyeah i just wanted to be sure it wasnt that issue they had on ubuntu
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12:53.36babilenso, what now?
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12:54.05echosystmcry?
12:54.27babilenin a way: i would try upgrading to testing. If you can handle that (it might be quite a steep learning curve) you can stay with squeeze ... If not: install Ubuntu
12:54.41babilenother opinions?
12:54.44echosystmi hate ubuntu
12:54.53echosystmi only installed it for a quick fix
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12:56.21babilenechosystm: which mirror do you use now?
12:56.36echosystmau
12:56.47echosystmftp.au.debian.org or something like that
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12:57.25babilenanybody has a better idea?
12:57.51SkyFlyergood night
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12:58.15babilenah, great - apt .25 is not in testing anymore
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12:59.17babilenechosystm: read the lenny release notes to get a feeling what you could/should do before you upgrade and then
12:59.24babilendpkg: lenny->squeeze
12:59.25dpkgRemove any APT source specific to stable (such as volatile), then s/lenny/squeeze/ on your sources.list and then aptitude update && aptitude install aptitude && aptitude safe-upgrade && aptitude full-upgrade.  Also ask me about <d-d-a>, <apt-listchanges>, <testing>.
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12:59.50babileni would execute the .. && .. && .. commands seperately though
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13:00.35echosystmok
13:00.36echosystmcheers
13:01.43babilenechosystm: and don't do this from within Gnome ...
13:01.46babilenor X
13:01.52echosystmyeah
13:01.54echosystmi figured
13:01.55echosystmhaha
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13:03.47echosystmi shall return
13:03.51echosystmthanks for your help guys
13:04.00babilenyou are welcome ...
13:04.13babilenyou could install irssi and come here for help while you upgrade
13:04.22echosystmgood idea
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13:06.42sixtila2banilen hey
13:08.20babilensixtila2: ask the channel
13:08.48sixtila2i only end up in bash! while bootup
13:09.11sixtila2tried upgrade but pirged everything again
13:09.51sixtila2purged
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13:11.23babilen!install gnome
13:11.24dpkgTo install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less.  You will need X installed as well, ask me about <install x>.  http://wiki.debian.org/Gnome
13:12.17sixtila2i installed kde, should i remove it and use gnome again?
13:12.42babilendunno - use whatever you want
13:12.53babilenthere are plenty of alternatives
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13:13.33sixtila2what is installing x, i still  am in bash, xstart dont work
13:13.49paradoxmonkeyCan I boot a debootstrapped debian from a directory using qemu?
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13:14.04castsixtila2: ahh well
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13:14.11castsixtila2: good thing the terminal is all you need
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13:14.38sixtila2cast i cant do anything from here!
13:15.04castwhat can't you do?
13:15.28sixtila2some webdesign stuffs
13:15.40sixtila2listen to radio
13:16.04castmplayer -playlist http://whatever.net/uh.pls
13:16.07sixtila2so how to get into window manager from bash
13:16.15castvim index.html
13:17.05nkuttlersixtila2: um, startx
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13:17.23sixtila2if i make index.html, how am i gonna see how ut looks from a terminal
13:17.48nkuttlersixtila2: kde should have installed kdm anyway. /etc/init.d/kdm start i guess
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13:17.57AimHereYou fire up your browser of choice by 'firefox index.html'?
13:18.05AimHereOr do you mean a tty terminal?
13:18.11AimHereWith no gui at all?
13:18.21castw3m index.html
13:18.31sixtila2ya, cast suggested me to
13:18.37castthese kids nowdays, no imagination
13:18.45AimHereHeh, plenty of text-only browsers
13:19.00AimHerelynx/links/links2/w3m
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13:22.27bremnerany suggestions for text-only ipod tools (i.e. front-ends for libgpod)?
13:22.51casti've spent since christmas trying to get a fucking ipod nano to work
13:23.01castthe winning tool so far is a hammer
13:23.37babilengive it back and get an iaudio 9
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13:26.49Selveste1_dpkt aptitude clone
13:27.11babilen!tell Selveste1_ -about selftell
13:27.19babilen!tell Selveste1_ -about aptitude clone
13:27.26Selveste1_babilen: I know, just forgot /msg :)
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13:27.44babilenSelveste1_: alright ... enjoy the cloning
13:27.57Selveste1_babilen: thanks :)
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13:32.21sixtila2installed gnome-desktop, but still in bash, startx also dont work :-(
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13:34.43rgrsixtila2: what did you do? New driver or has it never worked?
13:35.06sixtila2rgr never working from install
13:35.43rgrwhat video card?
13:35.47paissad_i've rebuilt the same kernel using make-kpkg but the revision is different ... btw, the /lib/modules/`uname -r` will be the same if i use dpkg --install even if kernel revision are different .... what do you advice me to do ? .... must i remove the previous kernel revision before attempting to install the new one ?
13:36.04sixtila2rgr ati radeon
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13:36.22rgrwhat version of debian?
13:36.37sixtila2lenny stable
13:37.08sixtila2maybe my downloaded file was hacked, i get other strange things also
13:37.39rgrdo you have a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? If so, move it and try restarting gdm with no such file.
13:38.03rgrsudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
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13:38.27rgrwhat do you mean other strange things?
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13:39.31sixtila2where to move the xorg.conf
13:39.41rgrxorg.conf_bu
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13:40.19genoobiemorning all
13:40.21echosystmsuccess :)
13:40.27genoobieI'm interested in installing knoppix
13:40.44jelly-homepaissad_: consider using --append-to-version
13:40.55genoobiebut I understand that the installation of apps is something of a pain
13:40.58jelly-homegenoobie: ask in #knoppix
13:41.00babilenechosystm: is running fast now?
13:41.03echosystmyep
13:41.09babilen\o/
13:41.09sixtila2the gdm restart has no output
13:41.12genoobieso I was thinking that sarge might be better to isntall
13:41.13echosystmi get a craptonne of errors when i boot up though ahaha
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13:41.38babilenechosystm: install apt-listbugs and apt-listchanges and update frequently .. and think when you do so
13:41.44paissad_jelly-home, fakeroot make-kpkg --config menuconfig --revision=$ver --append-to-version=$nameext
13:41.47jelly-homegenoobie: you're asking the wrong people.  For Knoppix issues, ask in #knoppix
13:41.53echosystmok
13:41.57rgrwhat do you mean no output? black screen? No blue screen lsiting errors? Is the cursor back?
13:42.25sixtila2just moves to new line as if nothing happened
13:42.39anoobisaI am trying to setup a second ssh daemon on a different port to make sftp avail in a chrooted jail however it still writes into the sshd.pid instead of sshd_sftp.pid which I have given in the ssh_sftp daemon
13:42.53jelly-homegenoobie: this is also wrong channel to discuss differences in distros, or trolling.  Try ##Linux for those.
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13:42.57genoobiebut the point is that I was thinking of skipping the whole "liveCD" idea and installing debian (sarge)
13:43.07anoobisaI can start the second daemon alright but i cannot stop it
13:43.13babilenechosystm: what kind of errors?
13:43.25rgrwelcome to ATI .... google up a default xorg.conf for it. I use nvidia myself. You could try setting the driver to vesa in the old xorg.conf. There are loads of hits on google for doiung that.
13:43.39echosystmso many i dont even remember any of them babilen
13:43.41echosystmlol
13:44.17echosystmi think i'll just start fresh tomorrow
13:44.29babilenechosystm: install bootlogd and paste it
13:44.39babilenor that :-D
13:44.39paissad-hpjelly-home, i've used --append-to-revision, as you can see into the 2 different packages
13:44.40echosystmis it possible to install debian testing from the get-go?
13:44.51echosystmand, more importantly, how would i do that?
13:44.59jelly-homeanoobisa: care to pastebin your second copy of the init script and the new sshd_config?
13:45.02babilenit's not advisable. Install the stable base system and upgrade right away
13:45.03paissad-hplinux-image-2.6.32.2-paissad-server-amd64_2009.12.27+02.10_amd64.deb
13:45.05paissad-hplinux-image-2.6.32.2-paissad-server-amd64_2009.12.27+12.37_amd64.deb
13:45.11echosystmok
13:45.28jelly-homepaissad-hp: okay...? Did I miss something?
13:45.30babilenechosystm: the testing installer is in constant development
13:45.34anoobisajelly-home sure give me a sec
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13:45.45echosystmi see
13:45.53echosystmwell
13:46.02echosystmwould i be better off just running arch or something?
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13:46.30paissad-hpjelly-home, you told me to use append-to-version ... that's what i used during the build, but now when i use "dpkg -i"  ... there's collision
13:46.56paissad-hpso i would like to know if i have to remove th previous kernel before installing the new one
13:46.56babilenechosystm: there is not much we can do if we don't know what errors you get
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13:47.05jelly-homepaissad-hp: well, if you used the very same options, that's normal
13:47.09echosystmyeah
13:47.18echosystmok, i'll start fresh tomorrow and go from there
13:47.20paissad-hpjelly-home, ok
13:47.27dexter000hi
13:47.32jelly-homepaissad-hp: should I have said "use a _different_ --append-to-version"?
13:47.35anoobisajelly-home here is the daemon
13:47.37anoobisahttp://pastebin.com/m27ab0f7b
13:48.11paissad-hpjelly-home, the "append-to-version" are quite different :) .. i use date+hour
13:48.22paissad-hpsame date, but not same hour
13:48.25echosystmthanks for your help babilen
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13:48.44dexter000i've a question, i have install bind9, so he has started 4 processes, can I change something to change it to one process?
13:49.15anoobisajelly-home I have now messed around with the start option using the -m option and it creates the specific pid file, however it still writes the real process id into sshd.pid and into sshd_ext.pid it writes the process id -1
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13:51.02jelly-homeanoobisa: have you changed PidFile in the second sshd_config?
13:51.19jelly-homeanoobisa: also, there's no reason to make a copy of /usr/sbin/sshd
13:51.51jelly-homepaissad-hp: ah, right.  I've suggested the wrong option, sorry
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13:51.56dexter000i've a question, i have install bind9, so he has started 4 processes, can I change something to change it to one process?
13:52.21anoobisajelly_home there is no ref to pid file in sshd_config
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13:52.33paissad-hpjelly-home, np, :)
13:52.36anoobisajelly-home there is no ref to pid file in sshd_config
13:53.12ragedragonhello, is a software exist to freeze a process on debian?
13:53.15anoobisajelly-home this is my standard out of the box debian sshd_config http://pastebin.com/m358b4125
13:53.36swc|666is there a definitive fix for this error when building a debian kernel? The UTS Release version in include/linux/version.h   "" does not match current version: "2.6.30"  ... using make-kpkg --rootcmd fakeroot --initrd  kernel_image kernel_header
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13:54.29jelly-homeanoobisa: man sshd_config
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13:55.22anoobisajelly-home ok I check that but you were saying that there was no reason not to copy /usr/sbin/sshd
13:55.38jelly-homeanoobisa: there's no reason _to_ copy it.
13:55.53anoobisajelly-home I am trying to run sftp in its own daemon, I made a soft link on it
13:56.02jelly-homeanoobisa: yeah. Why?
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13:56.22dHLanyone know if mongrel is required to host ruby on rails apps over apache?  or is mongrel a seperate web server than apache on its own?
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13:56.37anoobisajelly-home so that I can run it on a different port than main openssh
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13:56.48anoobisaand so that I can chroot sftp
13:56.48jelly-homeanoobisa: why would you need a different binary for that?
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13:57.24anoobisaI use the same binary, its just a softlink on /usr/sbin/sshd
14:01.43anoobisadifferent instance
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14:01.50jelly-homeanoobisa: there's still no need to do that
14:06.56jelly-homejust run another /usr/sbin/sshd with different options
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14:14.15anoobisausing a different config file
14:14.16anoobisawell it makes it easier to distingish processes
14:14.17anoobisaI have followed a forum suggestion http://pastebin.com/m102696db
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14:14.32MrTorquewhich file is for telling ifup eth1 at startup?
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14:14.33MrTorquecast: there is eth0 and eth1 configured, but only eth0 starts on bootup. i need to do ifup eth1 to get eth1 started...
14:14.33castuhuh.
14:14.33MrTorquecast: only difference: allow-hotplug eth0
14:14.34MrTorquedo i need this for eth1 as well?
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14:14.34MrTorquebut there is a comment which tells: # The primary network interface
14:14.34castwhat do you have for eth1
14:14.35anoobisajelly-home thanks the PidFile option in the sshd_config now worked
14:14.41MrTorqueip and subnet...
14:14.41MrTorquecast: can i write auto eth1??
14:14.41castyes, you can.
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14:14.42MrTorquefirst auto eth1 then iface eth1 .... or the other way round?
14:14.43jelly-homeanoobisa: great
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14:14.44bluesword1969trying to get iceweasel to play mms streams, and i've done the proper about:config settings, restarted iceweasel, but i still can't get mms streams to play in vlc. any ideas?
14:14.44anoobisahowever somehow sshd.pid now disappeared
14:14.44anoobisa???
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14:14.46genoobieI know this isn't the channel to ask...
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14:14.46jelly-homegenoobie: please don't repeat yourself
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14:14.54genoobiebut if I were interesting in installing debian
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14:14.55genoobiewouldn't this be the place to come to?
14:14.55jamesstanleyThe vzmigrate script provided as part of vzctl has 2 bugs. 1.) It relies on bash so the shebang should be "#!/usr/bin/bash" 2.) It abuses printf. The 3 calls to printf in log() should be replaced with "echo -ne"
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14:14.56jamesstanley#!/bin/bash, even
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14:14.57jelly-homejamesstanley: "abuses printf"?
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14:14.57Maceranybody here use the debian chroot on a G1?
14:14.57jamesstanleyjelly-home: well It passes several arguments of text even though printf only prints the first
14:14.57jamesstanleyI have no idea why that ever worked
14:14.57sixtila2so my problem was a corrupt mirror then
14:14.57Macerthe network interface (3G) has an ip as root but not as a user and i can't seem to figure out why
14:14.57jamesstanleyjelly-home: i think i'll submit a bug report to the bugtracker
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14:14.57jelly-homejamesstanley: that would probably be for the best
14:14.58sixtila2can anyone give me a good working mirror link- netinst 64
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14:14.58jamesstanleysixtila2: "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free"?
14:14.59jamesstanleymight want to remove contrib and/or non-free if that suits you
14:15.01jamesstanleyor just leave
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14:16.02babilen.. it
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14:16.44jamesstanleybabilen: was that to append to my sentence?
14:16.46lelumerry chirstmas...
14:16.56jamesstanleyi said "or just leave" because he left the channel without acknowledging that he had read my text
14:17.10jamesstanleylelu: are you on gmt  -48 or something? :O
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14:17.24babilenjamesstanley: yes
14:17.35sixtila2got disconnected, please paste the mirror again
14:17.41jamesstanley<jamesstanley> sixtila2: "deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free"?
14:17.48jamesstanleysorry, i didn't notice that you reconnected :P
14:17.54babilenjamesstanley: ah, ok .. i did not realise that. (filter joins/parts)
14:18.05jamesstanleyok
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14:18.53ihethello
14:18.58jamesstanleyhi
14:20.04sixtila2think that is working thanks
14:20.21sixtila2nop , that also corrupt
14:20.28sixtila2damn!
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14:20.48jamesstanleysixtila2: if all the mirrors are corrupt, perhaps it is not a problem with the mirrors ;)
14:21.10zig_Does anyone here actively use xrdp?
14:21.10leluwhat would cause my hard drives temperature to instead of jumping between a min of 26 and a max of 32deg, stay constant at 28?
14:21.20jamesstanleyzig_: i did for about a day
14:21.26jamesstanleyand then microsoft updated the client and it stopped working
14:21.26leluits sensor has returned the same value for three weeks
14:21.27zig_jamesstanley: Why'd you stop?
14:21.35jamesstanleyclient update broke it
14:21.36zig_Oh. You know why that is, right?
14:21.42jamesstanleyi don't
14:21.46zig_You need to install the Windows XP version of Remote Desktop
14:21.48zig_That's all
14:21.54zig_It's the protocol 5.x version
14:21.56jamesstanleyi had no choice in the matter
14:21.58sixtila2maybe, all mirror is shown corrupt!
14:22.04jamesstanleyit was my school administrators who did it
14:22.12zig_And you can't just install the WinXP version?
14:22.16castlelu: equalibrium, would.
14:22.22jamesstanleyi don't know a lot about windows zig_
14:22.30zig_jamesstanley: Well, that's your fix.
14:22.33jamesstanleybut i can't install most programs because i am a limited user
14:22.46jamesstanleywe tried to copy the rdp client off another machine but it had loads of errors to do with dlls
14:22.48lelucast: hmm? its just odd because for the past year its gone up and down...
14:22.52paissad-hpi would like to add a post script into a deb package, but when i used dpkg -X to extract the deb package, i don't have post* and pre* and control files !
14:22.53jamesstanleythanks anyway zig_
14:22.55paissad-hphow can i do ?
14:22.59jamesstanleyi'll try it when i go back to school
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14:31.52skriohello @ all.
14:31.59jamesstanleyhi
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14:32.59skrioi am searching for information about how to get sun jdk1.6u17 running on debian lenny 5.0.3.
14:33.13skrioi searched for quite a while and already tried the
14:33.28skriooutdated article on http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142
14:33.38skriobut it doesn´t work.
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14:34.46skrioyour help is so much appreciate
14:34.52skrio*appreciated
14:35.26Justinskrio: apt-cache search sun-java
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14:36.31babilenskrio: or install openjdk
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14:37.25skriojustin: thank you very much for your answer. might i ask you for being a bit more verbose  please?
14:37.42skriobabilen: isn´t openjdk still behind?
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14:38.06skrio(of course thanks for babilen, too!)
14:38.33babilenskrio: there was a discussion about it on debian-devel to remove it. mainly because of bugs in sun's proprietary version. But i am not sure about the specifics.
14:39.07babilenskrio: The point is, that you can install sun's jdk and openjdk with apritude. Not the .17 version that (that is in unstable)
14:39.27babilenskrio: you *might* be able to backport it, but I am not sure how much success you have with that
14:39.31babilen!ssb
14:39.31dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
14:39.53skrionot backported yet
14:40.50babilenskrio: you are sure that you need 6-17-1 ?
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14:41.13skriobabilen, it is required for glassfish v3.
14:42.19skrio(according to the release notes of gf3)
14:43.19babilenskrio: alright - try backporting it. install it yourself from source/sun's download (/usr/local) or use a version of glassfish compatible with lenny's java version
14:43.37paradoxmonkeyHow do I mount the entire /var directory (including subfolders) on tmpfs?
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14:45.24zig_Is there a Linux equivelant of a Remote Desktop Web Connection?
14:45.53zig_That is, a web-based RDP client, such that all one would need to do is go to http://myweb-based.rdesktop-client.com
14:45.56skriobabilen: i wonder if i can do  something better than the people at `backports'...
14:46.03zig_They wouldn't need to fuss with getting their hands on a compatible client.
14:46.04zig_Any ideas?
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14:46.45babilenskrio: i doubt that they tried. follow dpkg's ssb instructions and try it. It might not work out due to dependencies though
14:46.48jamesstanleyzig_: wouldn't it be just as difficult to install java or whatever plugin it uses as it is to just get a client?
14:47.07zig_zig_: No.
14:47.10zig_Not for end-users.
14:47.27zig_Don't ever assume anything about end-users aside from assuming they are incredibly stupid.
14:47.40zig_This shouldn't sound bad. I'm just saying it's a good rule of thumb to make things very easy and automated.
14:47.59zig_Java will be installed on the client machines, of course.
14:49.08FoxMHi all. I installed a new Hard Disk and moved the two linux ext3 partitions (/ and /home) to the new drive. I am now stuck in how to keep the MBR in the old, smaller disk where Windows is, but be able to boot Linux from the new drive. I use Debian Squeeze with grub2. Any Ideas or pointer to documentation that I can read?
14:49.43jamesstanleyzig_: does it have to be rdp?
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14:50.31jamesstanleyzig_: http://properjavardp.sourceforge.net/
14:50.46jamesstanleyoh wait it's not an applet
14:51.28skriobabilen: i am sitting on a win box right now :-(.  how much effort is backporting?  are there any tutorials beside dpkg ssb instructions?
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14:53.51beardyskrio: Install in a virtualbox, backport, get package out, done.
14:54.47babilenskrio: there is not much more to it. read the manpage of apt-get ...
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14:55.27kingkong100hi
14:55.28skriobabilen, beardy: if it were so easy, why isn´t a backport out yet?
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14:57.08babilenskrio: try it - you can play with it in a virtual machine/chroot.
14:57.51kingkong100i installed firefox3 from backports and flash-nonfree (v10) and firefox crawls when i have just 3 tabs open with a flash stream/vid
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14:58.00kingkong100any suggestions what i can do?
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14:58.24kingkong100also YouTube vids in fullscreen (1680x1050) aren't smooth
14:58.30ihethow do i get wireless working on ASUS Eee PC 900HA?
14:58.44cahootkingkong100: use mplayer?
14:58.48Ronogeri dont know
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14:59.20kingkong100mplayer? for flash streams?
14:59.20skriobabilen, beardy: thank you.
14:59.29cahootat least usable for youtube
14:59.39immolokingkong100-  Sometimes if you right click and choose settings you can change the amount of space it uses for temp space
15:00.00kingkong100right click where? on flash?
15:00.00immoloThat speeds it up and also have you remove swfdec-mozilla?
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15:00.08kingkong100should i increase the cache space?
15:00.13immolokingkong100-  yes on flash
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15:00.17kingkong100is this a known problem or is just for me?
15:00.38immolokingkong100-  Unlimited, and I've had issues so maybe
15:00.38kingkong100i just moved from winxp where i could have had 40 tabs open and still run ok
15:00.52immoloflash is poop :)
15:01.33immoloanyway did you run apt-get remove swfdec-mozilla?
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15:03.06kingkong100nope
15:03.11kingkong100should i?
15:03.24immoloyes
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15:03.52immoloyou aren't using the adobe flash plugin if you don't
15:03.53kingkong100they don't work well with eachother huh? :)
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15:04.27kingkong100but i am. its v10 and the original one had a gray ugly image on top of the vid and worked worse
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15:04.56ax-axif i don't have permission to read cds, what should i do?
15:05.06immolowell try my command and then restart iceweasel
15:05.16immoloworked wonders for me
15:05.24oggeitry cassettes <g>
15:06.02oggeiax-ax: add yourself to group cdrom : addgroup ax-ax cdrom
15:06.13kingkong100its the same
15:06.30kingkong100is very obvious when i switch tabs. it takes 0.5 sec or so
15:06.43ax-axi did sudo usermod -a -G cdrom axel before
15:06.53ax-axisnt that supposed to be the same thing?
15:07.16ax-axhow do i check which groups i'm in?
15:07.21robbe-'groups'
15:07.23robbe-You also have to relog when you add yourself to new groups.
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15:07.36immolokingkong100-  strange mine takes nowhere near that long
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15:07.53immolonot even on my old powermac
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15:08.00ax-axoh
15:08.20robbe-That, or you can check out 'newgrp' (see it's manpage: 'man newgrp')
15:08.23ax-axrobbe-: i did a su axel and started the program, and now it's readable :D
15:08.45robbe-Good, enjoy the music/movies :-)
15:08.52james12hello, im using "testing" and I cant install courier-authlib-mysql on an amd64 architecture, why ? courier-authlib-mysql: Depends: libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.27-1) but it is not installable
15:09.10kingkong100does your windows scroll normally in youtube when a flash is playing?
15:09.14kingkong100mine is jumping around
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15:09.49james12and libmysqlclient15off (>= 5.0.27-1) doesnt exists in my "dselect" only libmysqlclient16
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15:11.17kingkong100also CPU is at 95% (both cores) in the system monitor graph and in processes it says firefox-bin is using 55% CPU
15:11.33kingkong100i have AMD64 version of debian
15:11.41kingkong100with nvidia drivers
15:12.11kingkong100even with the video stopped FF consumes 15-20% CPU
15:13.29kingkong100this doesn't look right
15:13.41NiLonkingkong100 afaik flash support for linux is crappy
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15:14.36kingkong100i see but is is this crappy for you guys as well?
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15:15.28NiLonif it's not hd video, no
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15:17.09NiLonShizuo yes what?
15:17.09kingkong100NiLon what about when u play a youtube vid fullscreen? is it still ok? also, do you get high CPU usage?
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15:17.37NiLonkingkong100 ofc
15:17.55kingkong100ok
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15:18.00NiLonor it's ok for normal, but it's consuming like ~20% more cpu
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15:18.14NiLonnormal videoplay tooks about ~50% of cpu anyway
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15:18.17NiLonhd will take 100% :D
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15:18.30kingkong100what CPU do you have?
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15:18.58NiLonold one, amd athlon 2800+ xp
15:18.59kingkong100I have an AMD X2 4000+ and thats supposed to play 1080p soo... this is crappy
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15:19.02NiLonand that's 32b
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15:19.21kingkong100yeah for that one makes sense but for mine it doesn't
15:19.25kingkong100anyway
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15:20.20NiLonye well, if I download that hd version and play it with like mplayer on fullscreen, it's still much smoother than in browser on small screen
15:20.23NiLonso ugh
15:20.30kingkong100one other thing is I want to install latest NetBeans IDE (v6.8) and is not in backports. so i was wondering if anybody knows if it will install in /opt or in other dir because /opt is in my / partition which is small (700MB)
15:21.29NiLonframedrop disabled I can actually watch those 720p videos without problem, but not in browser
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15:26.19jelly-homekingkong100: you can always move /opt to some other partition and symlink it back
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15:29.08kingkong100jelly-home ok thank you for the tip. i will do that
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15:29.58patozAM I THE ONLY ONE LAGGED HERE?
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15:30.25cahootbute surely the loadest
15:30.34cahootmeh
15:31.13patozNiggaz?
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15:31.40kingkong100Whityz?
15:31.47kingkong100lol
15:31.48skrio!ssb
15:31.49dpkgFirst: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add ONLY a "deb-src ..." line for sid to your sources.list.  2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs.  If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old
15:31.58skrio!backports
15:31.59dpkgmethinks backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications.  http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/.  Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>.  See also <simple sid backport>.
15:32.16babilenskrio: /msg dpkg <factoid> ;-)
15:32.27skrio:-)
15:32.43skriofound out you re still there
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15:49.44patoz!OPS LAG
15:49.44dpkgHydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: patoz complains about: LAG
15:50.18NiLonpatoz smart move
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15:50.34azeempatoz: please keep it on topic
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15:52.20skrioif i install the newest jdk 1.6u17 from sun outside the package manager, what is the outcome? 1. system doesn´t work (easy to answer this for myself) 2. the system does work with hard to find misbehavior 3. screws up only in /etc 4. screws up the system on various locations?
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15:53.01azeemskrio: 2.
15:53.09azeemmaybe
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15:53.43skrioazeem: thank you very much, but i can answer 1..4 with "maybe" :-)
15:54.13skrio(no offense intended, of course)
15:54.14azeemskrio: getting a definitive answer will involve lots of research
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15:55.19skrioazeem: yes, that´s the reason why i am asking.
15:55.58skriomaybe some guru already evaluated this.
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15:58.28patozbabilen: ?
15:58.47babilenpatoz: stop it please
15:59.29patozazeem: I can't even send messages on a timely manner
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16:00.09azeempatoz: this is not our problem; if you do not have a Debian question, please either keep quiet or leave
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16:02.09jelly-homeOH NOES I'M AN OBVIOUS TROLL AND CHANGING NICKNAMES PLZ KBAN ME
16:02.25azeemjelly-home: please don't write in all caps
16:02.38jelly-homeazeem: heh
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16:04.10Thomehiho
16:04.14Thomemarry christmas :-)
16:04.31Thomehow I can mount a ".bin" file?
16:04.48azeem!loop-mount
16:04.50azeemhrm.
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16:05.37jelly-home!iso mount
16:05.37dpkghmm... iso mount is mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point>
16:05.50paradoxmonkeyLimCore: the dmesg gives me this msg on boot - and the point of it all is to have a ro fs
16:05.52Thomejelly-home: bat is a bin.file?
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16:06.03jelly-homeThome: .bin as the bigger bit of a bin+cue?
16:06.14Thomejelly-home: jep
16:06.27Thomecygiso.bin and cygiso.cue
16:06.38jelly-homeThome: it depends on the format, sometimes it's a clean .iso, sometimes it needs a conversion
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16:07.58paradoxmonkeyJamesArthur: how about using "touch /var/log/dmesg" ?
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16:10.15jelly-homeThome: so if mounting it as above doesn't work as-is, hunt for bin2iso
16:10.20jelly-home!bin2iso
16:10.20dpkg[bin2iso] not in debian anymore, but the GPL source can be found at http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/bin2iso/
16:10.53little_owlIs there some way, how to get a list of all packages, which have been changed since the release 5.03 was made?
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16:17.19jelly-homeCan grub2 offer the menu on both vga console and serial at the same time, or at least like legacy can, depending of where a key is pressed??
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16:18.52ShizuoOh god, I was on a lagged server
16:18.55ShizuoHi azeem
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16:19.11azeemShizuo: you have been silenced for 10 minutes for being off-topic
16:19.22azeemplease try to be more signal and less noise in the future, thanks
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16:20.09dHLanyone know how to get subdomains working with apache2 and debian?  i've already got virtual hosts working alright i was just wondering is it a CNAME entry or something i need to do on my domain name registry's site or something i need to set internal in debian?
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16:23.33jelly-homedHL: what do you mean by subdomains?
16:24.16dHLlike toplevel.tld and i want a sub.toplevel.tld
16:24.34jelly-homedHL: what do you want to do with "sub.toplevel.tld"?
16:24.35dHLon the sub i want to host redmine and ont he other i want it to head to the default site home page
16:24.56dHLi want to host a different web app from a diff directory
16:25.17jelly-homeok, so you're on the rigt track, just create a CNAME, and a matching vhost entry
16:25.19dHLit's a ruby app www.redmine.org
16:25.37dHLright i'm missing the vhost  ... where do i do that again ?
16:25.42dHLin the apache2 sites-enabled ?
16:25.43jelly-homealso: "sub.toplevel.tld" is just a hostname, not a subdomain.
16:25.49dHLin the apache2 sites-available
16:26.15jelly-homezless /usr/share/doc/apache2.2-common/README.Debian.gz
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16:26.29dHLi've basically pretty much followed this guide and all seems to work i'm just stuck at the domain name now
16:26.31dHLhttp://www.admincafe.re/forums/showthread.php?t=250
16:26.53jelly-home!tutorials
16:26.53dpkgA very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing.  If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial.  This is not The Proper Way.
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16:27.17ragedragonhello, does anyone know if a partimage file can be mounted ?
16:27.39ragedragonby mount -t loop ...?
16:27.44dHLi know but i've got a grasp of what the tutorial is asking and tis fine
16:27.54dHLit just doesn't explain the domain name aspect
16:28.18dHLi've added a CNAME entry of sub.domain.com to my dyndns custom dns section and its pointing to domain.com
16:28.33dHLor should it point to sub.domain.com to sub.domain.com ?
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16:29.00dHLyet i'm not sure my vhost is entered correctly in debian/apache2
16:29.07PinkFreudragedragon: mount -o loop, not -t.
16:29.10jelly-homeNo.  If "domain.com" is a valid A record pointing to your IP, then "sub.domain.com. CNAME domain.com." will work
16:29.18tassomanwich software for an headless bt client?
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16:29.30PinkFreudragedragon: and the answer to your question depends on what exactly a partimage file contains.
16:29.54dHLright well i've sub.domain.com pointing to domain.com as a cname and the domain.com A list entry points t o the server ip so i guessw that's fine
16:29.58jelly-homedHL: use apache2ctl -S to see what virtualhosts are enabled
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16:30.00dHLi must be missing something on apache2
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16:30.03PinkFreud'partimage' is not exactly a standard file format.  where did you get it from?
16:30.18ragedragonPinkFreud, this is a backup FAT and gzipped partition
16:30.36ragedragonPinkFreud, and generated by partimage
16:30.39PinkFreudragedragon: then you should be able to loop mount it, in theory.
16:30.41PinkFreudahh.
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16:31.01ragedragonPinkFreud, ok thx
16:31.04PinkFreudhaven't used partimage
16:31.12PinkFreudyou'd need to decompress the image first
16:31.16jelly-homeragedragon: you can use partimage to write that back to an uncompressed device or file.
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16:31.31PinkFreudif partimaage just writes the image into the file without adding anything, it should just work.
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16:31.53PinkFreudif it adds a header, you'll need to figure out the offset of the image.
16:31.59ragedragonok
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16:32.28jelly-homepartimage has both a header and a sparse format and optional compression, it won't be easy to use it as-is
16:32.41PinkFreudjelly-home: ahh, yeah, that would make it difficult.
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16:33.36PinkFreuddepending on the size of the image, you may want to try using partimage to write it to a disk image.
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16:34.07PinkFreudthat way, you'll have a loopback-mountable image without needing physical media.
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17:02.50gigoMy grub /boot files are setup in /dev/sda5. But I want to setup grub2's /boot files in /dev/sda2. Please help
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17:20.25ChrisWwhy would ls report files in one order when run in a shell and a different order when run via a cron job?!
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17:22.23jelly-homeChrisW: different locale settings
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17:22.54jelly-homeChrisW: some locales specify case-insensitive sorting, some don't
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17:26.23ubsafderi am doing an install of debian 5.03 how do i define were i want the masterboot record to be put
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17:28.05ubsafderor at least how do i check were the installer wants to write it
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17:29.28dvsubsafder: the installer should ask you where you want to put the boot record
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17:30.01rdbis there a way to specify in a deb file that some directories are 'owned' by the package and should entirely be removed when the package is removed?
17:30.14ChrisWjelly-home: the capitalisation of the problematic files is the same though...
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17:30.35rdbthere is a directory where my program is putting stuff and I want those to be removed when the package is uninstalled
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17:31.34jelly-homerdb: typically packages clean up their volatile files when purged (in the postrm script)
17:31.55rdbah, that works. thanks
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17:43.41paradoxmonkeyWhat scripts in init.d can be safely removed?
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17:44.05xNinjadepend on what you have there
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17:44.55Justinthat's like asking 'which of my internal organs can be safely removed' if you have to ask, you shouldn't be removing things... :)
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17:46.50paradoxmonkeyWell the thing is that I haev mounted /var/log as tmpfs and I get this at boot "failed to get attributes of 'var/log/dmesg': No such file or directory". Is some script trying to modify dmesg before /var/log is mounted on tmpfs?
17:47.02paradoxmonkeyAlso / is mounted as read-only
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17:48.59jelly-homewhat are you trying to do, paradoxmonkey?
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17:49.33paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: a read-only fs for a compact flash card
17:50.15jelly-homethat's somewhat similar to what livecds do
17:51.09paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: well i have managed to debootstrap a debian system and mount /var/log as tmpfs...
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17:51.30jelly-homeI wonder if you could steal^H^H^H^H^Hreuse some livecd work like grml.
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17:51.56paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: I don't want to steal or modify a live cd...
17:52.25paradoxmonkeyI just don't get why I get this on boot: "failed to get attributes of 'var/log/dmesg': No such file or directory"
17:52.56Justingrep dmesg /etc/init.d/*
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17:53.56Justinmy guess is you added the entry to fstab with the wrong options
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17:55.08paradoxmonkeyJustin: my fstab: http://pastie.org/757906
17:55.56paradoxmonkeyJustin: It look like bootmisc.sh is doing something to dmesg... Is bootmisc.sh executed before fstab mounting?
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17:56.13Justinyour /tmp probably needs the mode setting
17:56.42Justinsame with /var/tmp and /var/lock
17:56.52Justinthen need to be 1777
17:56.55paradoxmonkeyJustin: still it doesn't explain the error msg on boot, does it?
17:57.00jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: when is that script run?
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17:57.30paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: I don't know...
17:57.33Justinit might, who knows
17:57.38jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: well, find out
17:57.51paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: I don't know how to
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17:57.59jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: ls /etc/rc?.d/S??bootmisc.sh
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17:59.05Justinreading through the init scripts it looks like debian already has support for this type of thing
17:59.11paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: ^^ returned/etc/rcS.d/S55bootmisc.sh
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17:59.42jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: also look up when fstab gets used... ls /etc/rc?.d/S??mountall.sh
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18:00.14paradoxmonkeyJustin: well the init scripts can mount /var/run and /var/lock as tmpfs but not /var/log
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18:01.15paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: ^^ returned /etc/rcS.d/S35mountall.sh
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18:02.15jelly-homethat implies mount -a [...] is run before bootmisc.sh.
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18:02.48paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: So why is the system complaining?
18:03.54sixtila2debian installed, but trying to install a browser, it says its gonna remove all the gnome
18:04.18sixtila2even for xchat!, even upgrade,
18:04.19jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: if I were you, I'd find out where exactly it was complaining, and add some debugging "mount" output to see if /var/log really was mounted at that time
18:04.29Justinsixtila2: what did you do?
18:04.39sixtila2juat installed
18:04.45jelly-home!tell sixtila2 -about ask
18:04.48Justinsixtila2: installed what?
18:05.32sixtila2lenny, and when i try install any package, it threatens to remove everything else
18:06.15jelly-homesixtila2: please pastebin the command you're trying to run and the whole output
18:06.39jelly-homesixtila2: also, your /etc/apt/sources.list file
18:06.43jelly-home!paste
18:06.44dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>.
18:07.31sixtila2cant paste from here, no browser in pc, lemme see the source list
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18:08.02jelly-home!pastebin pipe
18:08.02dpkgDownload http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl.  Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl.  You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on Lenny or later (ask me about <pastebinit>).  Upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php pipe to "nc paste.dyndns.org 1234".
18:08.56Justinyou can just use curl/wget too
18:09.08jelly-homesixtila2: what is the exact command you're trying to do that threatens to remove loads of stuff?
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18:09.30sixtila2aptitude install iceweasel
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18:09.40sixtila2or aptitude upgrade
18:09.46sixtila2any thing
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18:10.09jelly-homesixtila2: does an "aptitude install pastebinit" also do it?
18:10.55sixtila2yes it did
18:11.26sixtila2says 1 install, 283 to remove
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18:11.53jelly-homewhat happens with the removed packages list if you tell aptitude "+gnome" on the prompt when it asks you what to do?
18:11.55sixtila2that is basically the whole gnome
18:12.29sixtila2i did yesterday and it removes all
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18:12.39sixtila2restart and i go to bash
18:12.40jelly-homeyou did +gnome?
18:12.48sixtila2and no more gui
18:12.55paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: and how should this  debugging "mount" output  look like?
18:13.11sixtila2aptitude +gnome ? not that
18:13.51jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: I mean, just stick a mount invocation somewhere in that script, see what it outputs at boot
18:14.05sixtila2i have just 4 sources list
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18:14.24sixtila2volatile, security, hlp
18:14.40sixtila2all main contrib
18:14.47paradoxmonkeyYou mean I should try to mount /var/log via mountall.sh?
18:15.02jelly-homesixtila2: you run "aptitude install iceweasel".  It displays some stuff it's going to install, remove, or upgrade.  Then it presents a y/n/? prompt asking what to do next.  In that prompt, type in +gnome
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18:15.30sixtila2i will try thanks
18:15.31jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: no, I mean just add "mount" into bootmisc.sh, see what it outputs when you reboot
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18:15.54Justinsixtila2: wtf is hlp?
18:16.05jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: that way you can find out if your /var/log is mounted at that point, and can see if your guess is correct
18:16.23Justinsixtila2: and you have managed to still avoid giving any relevant information on what your sources.list contains
18:16.31paradoxmonkeyWhat is the difference between S**bootmisc.sh and bootmisc.sh?
18:16.31sixtila2+gnome reduces the removing list to 60
18:17.03jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: the former is a symlink telling Debian's sysvinit in which order to run a script
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18:17.46paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: so if I edit s**bootmisc.sh I infact edit bootmisc.sh correct?
18:18.02jelly-homesixtila2: is there some other metapackage being removed?  Something like gnome-desktop or other *desktop?
18:18.09sixtila2deb secu.deb.org/lenny/updates main contrib
18:18.38elfakynparadoxmonkey: indeed, the s**bootmisc.sh is a symlink to bootmisc.sh
18:18.56sixtila2removing lib, java, python, cups....
18:19.03sixtila2perl
18:19.05jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: all S**foo are links to /etc/init.d/foo
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18:19.45Justinsixtila2: does apt-get install iceweasel do the same thing?
18:20.18sixtila2ya, any install does, +gnome reduced some
18:20.30jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: you might want to figure out how sysvinit works
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18:21.22sixtila2+bsh reduced some still
18:22.59Justinsander: no, not aptitude install, apt-get install
18:23.05jelly-homesixtila2: well, you can just add +packagenames until the result looks good enough
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18:23.18sixtila2ok, i m doin
18:23.56macrobathmm, is judd broken?
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18:25.17jelly-homejudd: hello
18:25.38jelly-homejudd: how are you, won't you tell me your name
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18:26.46sixtila2done! phew!
18:27.44paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: It looks like only /proc and /sys are mounted before bootmisc.sh...
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18:28.06sixtila2lol, its now asking me for samba server!
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18:28.48paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: I think there must be something wrong with my fstab. Running "mount" after login also returned that only /proc and /sys was mounted
18:30.01Justinparadoxmonkey: try s/none/tmpfs
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18:31.08jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: is /var/log mounted at all?
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18:31.13sixtila2using aptget removed the hassel!
18:31.24jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: I mean, after the system is fully booted?
18:31.36lautrivanyone installed an image from debian-live to usbstick ?
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18:33.23paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: that's the thing nothing is mounted except /proc and /sys after boot...
18:33.27sixtilainstalled xchat finally!!
18:33.41Justinparadoxmonkey: change none to tmpfs in fstab
18:34.34jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: have you pastebinned your fstab already?
18:34.45sixtilamy sources
18:34.45sixtiladeb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main contrib    deb http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib   deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib   deb-src http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile lenny/volatile main contrib
18:35.01sixtilasry no browser yet
18:35.12jelly-homesixtila: that looks normal
18:35.17paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: http://pastie.org/757906
18:35.23Justinsixtila2: sounds like you just broke aptitude somehow
18:35.36sixtilaJustin can that be fixed?
18:35.42sixtilathis is a fresh intall btw
18:35.50sixtilaand a 5th fresh intall , lol
18:35.53Justini'm sure there is, just need to do that +foo stuff
18:36.04jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: have you read mountall.sh, where mount -a is invoked to mount all the local filesystems?
18:36.10Justinit seems to think that you want all those packages removed
18:36.34Justinmost likely you did something wrong 5 times in a row :)
18:36.36sixtilaya, and i cant get update as well, it says failed -- lemme show you
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18:36.52sixtilai didnt do anything! fresh installs
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18:37.59sixtilaFailed to fetch http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/e/epiphany/epiphany-data_0.7.0-2_all.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
18:38.58paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: I also get "mount / not mounted already or bad option" at boot, perhaps my fstab is wrong?
18:39.24Justinparadoxmonkey: for fucks sake
18:39.40jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: you're missing the filesystem type for your root.
18:39.56Justinjelly-home: i think he is ignoring me lol
18:40.45Justinall the tmpfs mounts I have are also 'tmpfs /foo tmpfs' not 'none /foo tmpfs'
18:41.10jelly-homeJustin: device is irrelevant for tmpfs
18:41.15paradoxmonkeyJustin: I'm just in progress of testing of doing what you told me
18:41.21jelly-homethis is why we have nicely aligned fstabs, with comments, people
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18:41.26\amethyst'none' is fine there
18:41.26Justinheh
18:41.31\amethystwhat jelly-home said
18:41.54Justinwell, the first line being badly formatted might be breaking the init script that mounts the rest of the filesystems
18:41.55paradoxmonkeyIsn't fs type detected automatically?
18:42.02Justinif you put auto it is
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18:42.29Justinyou told it the fs type was 'defaults,noatime,ro'
18:42.37jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: you have a completely missing column!
18:42.44sixtilacan this be solved - Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
18:43.11jelly-homesixtila: aptitude clean && aptitude update && do that command again?
18:43.27paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: but I could add auto right?
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18:43.51jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: no, you MUST add something (auto could work)
18:44.29sixtilajelly-home again unable to fetch from the same source
18:44.51jelly-homesixtila: are you using a proxy of some sort?
18:45.02sixtilanop
18:45.45sixtilanot that i know of
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18:46.22Justinsixtila: wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb; md5sum xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb
18:46.22FoxMHi. I have an old 80GB Hard Disk with 3 partitions (sda1: Windows, sda5: /, sda6: /home) but now I just installed a new disk and I want to move the linux partitions to the new disk (sdb1: /, sdb2: /home) and resize or format the old disk to use it only with WIndows. However, I haven't been able to make grub2 to change the linux root to sdb1... how can I achieve this? Thanks
18:46.28jelly-homesixtila: you ISP, however, might have one in front of your machine
18:46.37paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: new fstab: http://pastie.org/757946
18:46.48paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: root still doesn't mount
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18:47.20jelly-homeif root didn't mount, you'd be left off in a busybox shell
18:47.33sixtilajustin , again got the same
18:47.48sixtilajelly-home could that be the reason i got no mirrors during installation?
18:47.51Justinsixtila: the same what?
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18:47.59sixtilajustin not able to fetch
18:48.06Justinsixtila: WHAT?
18:48.08sixtilaFailed to fetch http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb  Hash Sum mismatch
18:48.16Justinsixtila: wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb; md5sum xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb
18:48.28Justinneither of those commands will EVER output Hash Sum mismatch
18:48.58Justinyou need to pay better attention. this is the second time you ran something completely different than what I told you to
18:49.19sixtilajustin do u need the output
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18:49.32Justinis it 2ece5643c14ae34a0270d1bb740d0190 ?
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18:49.59Justinsixtila: file xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb
18:50.16sixtila<PROTECTED>
18:50.40Justinand?
18:50.49jelly-homeand cookies.
18:51.49sixtilais it where is has saved?
18:51.50sixtilaSaving to: `xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb.1'
18:51.58sixtila2009-12-27 13:48:44 (4.68 MB/s) - `xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb.1' saved [7724684/7724684]
18:52.07Justinwhat are you doing!
18:52.24paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: I seam to have even a bigger problem I don't have a hda1 in /dev
18:52.24sixtilawhat output do u need to see
18:52.35Justingives up
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18:54.03elfakynis there a command that 'presses' a keyboard key?
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18:54.16jelly-homesixtila: mv xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb.1 xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb && md5sum xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb
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18:54.48sixtilaok, done
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18:54.51jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: is udev running?  Do you _want_ udev to be running?
18:55.28paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: udev is not installed but perhaps I should install it...
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18:55.47paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: though it will add some secounds to the boot time :(
18:56.17jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: either populate your static /dev, or use udev
18:56.26jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: /sbin/MAKEDEV generic
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18:57.05elfakynnevermind, I found something
18:57.09sixtilajelly-home so far only xchat install success, everything else says failed to fetch from security.debian....
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18:57.42jelly-homesixtila: you didn't report the md5sum of the second manually downloaded xulrunner* deb
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18:57.58Justinor the output of the file command
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18:58.25paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: Can I do autodetect and automount for usb keys without udev. With autofs I need to modify the fstab for every usb key :(
18:59.30sixtilasry, my bad, i wasnt sure if i should be pasting
18:59.41sixtilaand also what exactly should i be pasting
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19:00.01jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: you probably can. Don't ask me how though. :-)
19:00.32simonrvnusbmount perhaps? or does that rely on udev?
19:00.38sixtilamv: cannot stat `xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb.1': No such file or directory
19:01.09simonrvnah yeh, udev in deps ...
19:01.50jelly-homesixtila: Hi! Do you know what "mv" command does?
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19:02.03sixtilamove
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19:02.23simonrvnmove/rename
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19:02.33sixtilaya, rename to
19:02.55sixtilai just pasted what was written
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19:03.15FoxMHi. I have an old 80GB Hard Disk with 3 partitions (sda1: Windows, sda5: /, sda6: /home) but now I just installed a new disk and I want to move the linux partitions to the new disk (sdb1: /, sdb2: /home) and resize or format the old disk to use it only with WIndows. However, I haven't been able to make grub2 to change the linux root to sdb1... how can I achieve this? Thanks
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19:03.39JustinFoxM: grep -r sda /etc/ /boot/
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19:04.16sixtilais it good idea that i get a source list from u guys and paste it in mine?
19:04.24FoxMJustin: Thanks... I will try that
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19:05.16Justinsixtila: since you completely fail at pasting the commands people tell you to run, I'd say no
19:05.20jelly-homesixtila: security.debian.org will still be in there.  Your sources configuration is no wrong.
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19:06.00sixtilahash mismatch - means i had the wrong dvd while installing? or corrupt or smthg
19:06.15sixtilaand i could never get a network mirror to work
19:06.21Justinyes, 'or something'
19:06.45Justinand if you would bother to run the commands we have been telling you to run we might know what that 'or somethign' was
19:07.14sixtilaJustin i m trying - just that i m a little dumb
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19:07.40sixtilaand i m new to debian
19:08.10Justinif I tell you to run command 'a' are you goign to run command 'a' or b c d e like you have been doing?
19:08.28sixtilamy bad, sry for my misunderstanding - blame me
19:08.35Justini am blaming you :)
19:08.53sixtilayeah, can we please try again -
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19:09.01sixtilaand see how it goes, i will try tokeep up
19:09.25Justincd /tmp;wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb;md5sum xul*;file xul*
19:09.28Justindo that
19:09.34`mganyone tried thunderbird3 on lenny?
19:09.40Justinthat will see if you can download the correct copy of that file
19:09.51sixtiladac98014246b387933d26811a90e74b7  xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb
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19:10.13Justinand what did file output?
19:10.27sixtilagotcha, lemme see
19:10.51Justinllemme see? what the hell are you doing?
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19:11.10sixtilado i have to open the file?
19:11.20sixtilaSaving to: `xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb'
19:11.23Justingives up again
19:11.31Justinyou're un-helpable
19:11.43sixtilac'mon man u said what did the file output
19:12.01sixtilawhat file were u referring to
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19:12.31macrobatsixtila: "file" is a command
19:12.42sixtilahaha, gotcha
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19:13.05sixtilajustin pasted (hope thats right)
19:13.27Justinfor once, yes
19:13.33sixtilathanks macrobat ! i m really driving justin crazy
19:13.44sixtilaYES!!!
19:13.48Justinthat is the right size, but it is corrupted
19:14.04sixtilaum.. pinned the problem!
19:14.35Justinalmost. lemme see here
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19:15.22sixtilawhat is corrupt actually - kernel?
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19:17.46Justinno, the file you just downloaded
19:17.56Justinfor x in `seq 1 500000 8000001`;do head -c $x xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb|md5sum;done
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19:18.08Justinpastebin the output of that, it's the best I can think of right now
19:18.24Justinshould be able to see from that how corrupted it is
19:18.49Justinah better idea :)
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19:21.58Justinsplit -b 300k xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb foobar ; md5sum foobar*
19:23.16sixtilasry, thought u needed the output
19:23.50Justin!+paste
19:23.51dpkgDo not paste more than 2 lines to this channel.  Instead, use: http://paste.debian.net/ http://pastebin.ca/ http://pastie.org/ http://pastebin.com/ or http://picpaste.com/ for pics.  Use wikisend.com for large files (think tar.gz) up to 100MB.  Remember to tell us the URL of your paste!  Cannot cut and paste?  Ask me about <pastebinit>.
19:24.05sixtilai wish i had a broswer!
19:24.36Justin5 of those chunks are corrupted, so it's not a case of something just inserting data at the end or something
19:24.46sixtilaok
19:24.52Justinone more test...
19:24.56sixtilayup
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19:25.09Justinrun that wget command a few more times to get a few copies of the file
19:25.14Justinthen md5sum xul* again
19:25.21Justinare they all the same, or different?
19:25.40sixtilaok , i will see - the files are all from before right?
19:25.56Justinhuh?
19:26.07Justinhere, just run this
19:26.11sixtilai mean the commands, nevermind
19:26.26Justinwget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb -q -O- | md5sum
19:26.31Justinrun that a few times
19:26.57sixtilayup, gets me a different num each time
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19:27.20sixtilau need them?
19:27.22Justinyeah, that's all kinds of fucked up
19:27.23Justinno
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19:27.46sixtilai dont wanna switch back to ubuntu :-(
19:27.56Justinthis is not a debian problem
19:27.58sixtilaso is it not possible to solve easily then
19:28.21Justinsomething on your system or your connection ig seriously fucked
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19:29.01sixtilai m behind the college's router, is that the problem?
19:29.14hetOrakelhi all, since an hour or so i have a iowait of 98%. how can i see which process is the cause of this. Sar output: 08:24:03 PM  all    3.20    0.00    1.60   95.20    0.00    0.00    0.00    0.00    131.40
19:29.17sixtilai believe there is no proxy or anything!
19:29.17Justinevery college on the planet has a router, so no
19:29.27sixtila<PROTECTED>
19:29.33paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: I finally fixed it but still the same msg at boot: "failed to get attributes of 'var/log/dmesg': No such file or directory"
19:29.47sixtilaon my system - u mean the debian installation?
19:30.00Justinno, like your memory and cpu
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19:30.06paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: and this time /var/log is mounted as tmpfs before bootmisc.sh
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19:30.58sixtilajustin really?? wow, i dont want that to happen!!! (once there was hash mismatch in ubuntu also - but update or smthg solved it i think)
19:31.12jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: then you know it's not the reason for that message happening
19:31.12sixtilais it hardware probelm then?
19:31.22Justinsixtila: could be
19:31.24sixtilai have formatted my sda so many times!!!
19:31.25Sergio`How can I look for a Debian mentor? Mailing lists only?
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19:31.35jelly-home!mentors
19:31.35dpkgsomebody said mentors was the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive.  Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>.  http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/  http://mentors.debian.net/  #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org.
19:31.48paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: after boot I can go to /var/log and see that dmesg is there
19:31.59jelly-homeSergio`: you'll probably want to look in that channel.
19:32.11Sergio`Thanks.
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19:32.28Justintry this: for x in `seq 10`;do cp xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb xul$x;done;md5sum xul*
19:32.38Justindoes that at least output the same thing 11 times?
19:32.47paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: maybe dmesg is created after boot?
19:32.56jelly-homeJustin: make it lose the cache between copying, too
19:33.02sixtilajustin yes !
19:33.17sixtilathe other two are different
19:33.25Justinhmm
19:33.36Justinare any of them 2ece5643c14ae34a0270d1bb740d0190?
19:33.44sixtilanop
19:34.01jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: it is.
19:34.30caretathere is a new xorg in experimental; how long does it take to get to unstable?
19:34.35paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: so why is bootmisc.sh trying to chown the file?
19:34.37sixtilajustin lemme know if u need to see them
19:34.40Justinsixtila: no
19:35.18paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: sorry I mean trying to get some attribute
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19:37.17sixtilajustin will getting a new kernel solve it? i know i have an older one
19:37.19jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: did you read the script? It tries to run savelog.  That is, rotate previous dmesg files (from last reboot) before creating the new one
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19:37.44Justinsixtila: possibly. if you could download on that isn't corrupted lol
19:37.57sixtilacan we try it
19:38.08Justinno
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19:38.11jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: Since you're certain you won't have the file at all, I _guess_ you might comment out the savelog invocation completely.
19:38.12sixtilai dont have a browser to refer to
19:38.24Justinoh, that we can fix heh
19:38.31Justindo you still have all the foobar* files?
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19:38.53sixtilashould be, lemme scrool up the terminal
19:38.59Justinsigh
19:39.01jelly-homeparadoxmonkey: you could add set -x to the script to see what is the exact command complaining.
19:39.08Justindo you have the files, not the output
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19:39.40sixtilajustin yes, i can see a bunch of them in the tmp
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19:40.26Justinok
19:40.54Justinmkdir good;mv foobar* good; rm good/foobara{k,l,n,s,t}
19:41.11sixtiladone
19:41.12paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: I could touch dmesg in bootmisc.sh and it will work but I don't see why since dmesg already exists before mounting /var/log as tmpfs
19:41.29sixtilaall is in good -
19:41.42Justinexcept for the ones ending in k l n s t, which were corrupt
19:41.59sixtilayup
19:42.07Justinnow, rm xul*deb; wget http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb
19:42.29paradoxmonkeyjelly-home: unless mounting something as tmpfs deletes it's content?
19:42.31Justinrun md5sum xul*deb in the off chance it is actually 2ece5643c14ae34a0270d1bb740d0190
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19:43.02rgrtab key ...
19:43.04sixtilais disappointed
19:43.06sixtilajustin
19:43.07sixtilaf5052f3fe962c8ec4ca87ccf6d7e0683  xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb
19:43.17Justinno problem, run this again: split -b 300k xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb
19:43.31Justinthen md5sum foobara{k,l,n,s,t}
19:44.09babilenJustin: what's going on? hw problems?
19:44.22Justinbabilen: that or a really broken proxy
19:44.30Justinthe sums you want are bc00c5e0d41a8fbc8863a892366f2217 foobarak fc3350a10c2179ef018aa8eec0c3cfed foobaral c7a419c576e79142099e03724e798130 foobaran 975eb8d4b64b0e20567b165d488f643d foobaras 3a5a18b62f53d30e641052af00288efb foobarat
19:44.41paradoxmonkeyIf I mount /var/log as tmpfs will it delete the files that where already in /var/log?
19:44.45Justinif any of those come back ok, move the individual foobar file into good/
19:44.54sixtilaoops, looks like k l n s t are deleted or smthg, i dont see them in tmp
19:45.15Justinugh, what did you do now
19:45.29sixtilawerent they supposed to be in tmp
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19:45.37Justindid you run the split command again/
19:45.45babilenJustin, sixtila: It must be your proxy. Are you in the same location now/using the same uplink?
19:45.58sixtilai did split yes
19:46.01sixtilababilen yes
19:46.21Justinthen you should have all the foobar* files again
19:46.45babilenok, keep up the good work!
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19:47.29sixtilaall exist except the corrupt ones
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19:47.39Justinwtf are you doing?
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19:47.55sixtilabelieve me man, i aint do anything u dont say
19:48.14babilenJustin: btw, last time it helped to move the lists from /var/lib/apt/lists/ and running an update. It might still be the hw/uplink though
19:48.15Justinexcept the parts where you do a whole bunch of things I never said to
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19:48.48sixtilababilen this time too aptitude made me remove all, apt-get didnt
19:48.55Justinforgot aptitude
19:48.59Justiner, forget
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19:49.11sixtilajustin i can see the hash in the terminal though
19:49.13sixtilai will check
19:49.26Justindid you or did you not run split -b 300k xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb
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19:49.56Justinffs, all you have to do is re-run teh same commands you ran 20 minutes ago in the same order
19:49.56sixtilai did run it
19:49.59Justinhow are you fucking this up
19:50.24sixtilais an ass hole
19:50.36Justinthen if you ran that you should have another set of foobara through z files
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19:51.26sixtilarunning that gives no output at all
19:51.39Justinit is not supposed to output anything!
19:51.58Justin14:43 < Justin> no problem, run this again: split -b 300k xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb
19:52.12Justin14:43 < Justin> then md5sum foobara{k,l,n,s,t}
19:52.30Justinahh
19:52.44Justinsplit -b 300k xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb foobar
19:52.46Justinstupid netbook
19:53.17sixtilagot it!
19:53.18sixtilafinally
19:53.40Justinare any of the checksums correct now?
19:53.44sixtilathey are different from before anyway
19:54.46Justinare any of the checksums correct?
19:55.04sixtilajust the foobark is wrong
19:55.24Justinok, mv foobara{l,n,s,t} good
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19:55.54Justindelete the deb, wget it again, run split again, run md5sum again
19:56.05Justinodds are the ak file should be right this time
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19:56.51Justinonce you got that, cat good/foobar* > xul.deb;dpkg -i xul.deb
19:57.03sixtilajust a sec, it is snowing heavy out here!
19:57.37sixtiladelete the deb means what
19:57.45Justinrm xulr*deb
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19:59.03Justinheh, I just thought of a much easier way, you don't by any chance have rsync installed do you?
19:59.15sixtilai have not a clue what that is
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19:59.43Justinthat doesn't answer my question does it?
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20:00.19sixtilai think i dont have it then - cause i have not installed anything like that
20:00.37Justinsigh
20:00.50tensorpuddingwhich rsync
20:00.54tensorpuddingdo that in a term
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20:01.20sixtilajustin here is the hash 934434bf6a505ca9ce182865d8c30ab8
20:01.31tensorpuddingif it gives /usr/bin/rsync back, or something similar, you have rsync
20:02.20Justinsixtila: is that the one I pasted above?
20:02.31sixtilalemme see, dunno
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20:07.01sixtilai think the one u gave is out of the chat room boxes, but it is sure that it is different that from what i had originally
20:07.21Justindo you have rsync installed?
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20:07.52sixtilanop
20:08.07Justinif you run apt-get install rsync does it manage to download it?
20:08.23Justinit's a lot smaller so you should be able to get it
20:08.41hetOrakelhow can i kill  this one "/lib/udev/vol_id --export /dev/.tmp-8-32"
20:08.54sixtilajustin it is fetched
20:09.12Justinrsync mirrors.bloomu.edu::debian-security/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb -P /tmp
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20:09.46sixtiladone
20:10.00Justinmd5sum xul*
20:10.02Justindo you get 2ece5643c14ae34a0270d1bb740d0190 ?
20:10.04tensorpuddinghetOrakel: that's a process?
20:10.35sixtilanone start from 2
20:10.48sixtilaall start form d , 9, 1, a
20:10.50Justinrun the rsync command again
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20:11.15hetOrakelyes its waiting 98% for io
20:11.22sixtilasame results
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20:11.54Justinrun it a few more times
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20:12.21hetOrakeltensorpudding: i killed id with -9 but it doesn't go away
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20:12.30tensorpuddingis it zombie?
20:12.43hetOrakelhow can i see that?
20:12.49sixtilajustin 5 times done, same result
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20:12.59Justinthe md5sum never changes?
20:13.15sixtilanop, all is same
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20:13.21hetOrakeltensorpudding: top says i have 0 zombies
20:14.30tensorpuddingwell, what is the state of the process then
20:14.47hetOrakelstate is D<
20:14.52Justinsixtila: what command did you run?
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20:15.16sixtilarsync mirrors.bloomu.edu::debian-security/pool/updates/main/x/xulrunner/xulrunner-1.9_1.9.0.16-1_amd64.deb -P /tmp
20:15.22sixtilamd5sum xul*
20:15.27Justinand you're in /tmp right?
20:15.32sixtilayup
20:15.38tensorpuddingI think D is sleep
20:16.08Justinrm xul*deb and try rsync once more
20:16.21Justinif that continues to fail that rules out a broken http proxy
20:16.53hetOrakelok then. how can i find the process that's using 98% iowait. i read somewhere that i should look for D processes
20:16.57hetOrakelthat was the only on
20:17.00hetOrakelone
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20:17.07Justinyou can continue trying to download and split it to get the rest of the foobar files, but really your system is totally fucked
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20:17.24tensorpuddingdid you use kill -9 as a regular user or as root
20:17.27JustinhetOrakel: a process does not USE iowait
20:17.50hetOrakelwhat is keeping my processor busy then?
20:17.56hetOrakeli killed id as root
20:18.03Justinwho says it is busy?
20:18.09sixtilajustin thanks man, i am tired of trying, i know how tiring it is to you
20:18.14sixtilawill get back later
20:18.21sixtilathanks a lot man!
20:18.32unopState: D  -  Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO)
20:18.40hetOrakel0% idle  ?
20:18.44hetOrakelsays top
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20:19.44JustinhetOrakel: idle is not really the opposite of busy
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20:20.01Justinif that were the case then top would only have two numbers
20:20.26Justinlet me guess, %us and %sy are < 5% ?
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20:20.43hetOrakelnow uh <6 % ;)
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20:20.47unopsounds like the process is waiting for something like a disk volume to become available again
20:20.53Justinyep
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20:21.02hetOrakelas in a crash?
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20:21.38unopyea, hardware failure - probably temporary
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20:22.22hetOrakeli unplugged an mp3 player, but DID a clean unmount
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20:22.44Bastihase_what is the problem on the server????
20:22.45Bastihase_Failed opening './e107_handlers/e107_class.php' for inclusion (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /var/www/e107/install.php on line 121
20:22.51hetOrakelcan i find out what device it is?
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20:25.06JustinhetOrakel: it said 8 32
20:25.14JustinhetOrakel: that is sdc
20:25.28JustinBastihase_: ##php ?
20:25.58hetOrakelJustin: very good. can i see that for myself (trying to learn something..)
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20:26.53JustinhetOrakel: ls -l /dev/|grep 8.*32 works
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20:27.19subcheehello
20:27.29Justinlsof or ls -l /proc/$pid/fd probably show it too
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20:28.44subcheecould you help me please regarding Gnome notification area applet in Lenny?
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20:30.27subcheemy problem is that icons in notification are are not transparent... please see here, how do I mean: http://www.pixbin.eu/pictures/2009-Dec-27/panel_pixbin_dot_eu_.png
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20:31.09subcheeon the picture two icons are in the notification area: Compiz icon & NOD icon... they're both in transparent .svg format
20:31.16hetOrakelJustin:  i do not have an sdc anymore!
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20:34.26jelly-homehetOrakel: you might have to reboot to clear that situation up
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20:36.04hetOrakeljelly-home: i thought i would never have to reboot my debian!, but hey its no problem. i really would like to know what caused this....
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20:36.36jelly-homea device disappeared while the kernel still wanted it there for whatever reason
20:37.09jelly-homenext time, make sure you delete it properly instead of just umounting
20:37.18jelly-homeecho 1 > /sys/block/sdv/device/delete
20:37.38jelly-home(or whatever GUI app does the "safe unplug" thing)
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20:38.41JustinhetOrakel: you don't HAVE to reboot, you can just igore it
20:38.58phorce1crap, how do I escape this to grep for it --->  $USER['am']
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20:39.33Justinphorce1: put it in single quotes and escape the existing single quotes
20:39.48unopyou need to escape [ and ] too
20:39.59jelly-homephorce1: or put it in double quotes and escape the $
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20:40.17fidinisn't it just "\$USER['am']"?
20:40.23unopgrep "$USER\['am'\]"
20:40.26fidinat least that's how you'd echo it without interpolating the env
20:40.30jelly-homeunop: nope
20:40.31Justinpersonally I would just grep for .USER..am..
20:40.47Justinchances of that matching something else are pretty low
20:40.53unopjelly, $ does not need to be escaped - as it's not at the end-of-line
20:41.21jelly-homeunop: one needs to take care about both shell and grep.
20:41.37unopah fair enough
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20:41.51jelly-homeecho '$USER['\''am'\'']'
20:41.54fidinit also depends if he wants $USER to interpolate as the env var or not
20:42.01phorce1single quotes with escaped single quotes is giving a bash unexpected end of file error. yuck brb
20:42.18Justingrep .USER..am.. :)
20:42.50jelly-homephorce1: there's no escaping in single quotes.  One has to close the quote, do an \', then open the quote again
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20:43.25Justinoh yeahh
20:43.31jelly-homegrep '\$USER\['\''am'\''\]' foo
20:43.33Justinanother reason to grep .USER..am..
20:43.38hetOrakelJustin: i'm not to good in ignoring ;)
20:43.51Justinwell if you are going to go that route, just use double quotes
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20:45.04Justinthis should work too "\$USER\['am'\]"
20:45.13Justinbut again, .USER..am.. :)
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20:46.05Justinunless you are writing a tool that has to be perfect, the simplest thing that can possibly work is always best
20:46.13phorce1Thanks jelly-home, This worked, that's just FUGLY though ... grep '\$USER\['\''am'\''\]'
20:46.16fidinyeah, this works:  echo "\$USER['am']" | grep .USER..am..
20:46.24phorce1hates poking around in php
20:46.47fidingiven all things are about equally fugly, might as well use the most simple
20:47.16fidinphorce1 you're better off using vim and ctags
20:47.37Justini mean, unless you have something like $USER['amd'] that will work just fine
20:47.40jelly-homephorce1: well "\\\$USER\\['am'\\]" isn't much prettier
20:47.57unop"\$USER[[]'am'[]]"
20:48.03unop:)
20:48.14Justinunop: [h][a][h]
20:48.16subcheesomebody? notification area? please
20:48.18jelly-homeabuse of []!
20:48.38phorce1fidin: I'm digging for occurences of that string in a set of php files in a tree that is about 6 levels deep. grep and less required
20:48.48Psi-JackInteresting.
20:49.02Justinphorce1: grep -r USER..am.. tree/
20:49.21Psi-JackSo, I have in my /etc/network/interfaces, iface eth1 defined and I ifdown eth1, the IP still shows up in ip addr show, but as status DOWN, why is that?
20:49.28Justinfailing that, grep -r "USER.'am'." tree
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20:49.43JustinPsi-Jack: because it is down?
20:49.52Psi-JackNo, Why does it still have the IP?
20:50.02Justindoes it matter?
20:50.09Psi-JackYes, actually, it does.
20:50.13Justinwhy?
20:50.52Psi-JackI've been trying to setup dual redundant linux-based routers using keepalived.
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20:51.53CellKillJustin
20:52.23CellKillfind /tree | grep regexpatternofyourchoice
20:52.46JustinCellKill: fail.
20:52.56unop:)
20:53.07CellKillJustin: you are trying to find a dile with that name or contents?
20:53.11CellKillfile*
20:53.23unopPsi-Jack, you might want to use a pre-down command in your interfaces file then
20:53.28JustinCellKill: i'm not trying to do anything.
20:53.28jelly-homePsi-Jack: ifupdown still uses ifconfig to set up the configuration, you could work around it by explicitely setting no ip address in an interfaces(5) down or post-down line
20:53.49CellKilloh, it was phorce1
20:53.50Psi-JackBleh, still ifconfig? Oi..
20:53.51CellKillwhooopd
20:54.36jelly-homePsi-Jack: yeah, one of these years we're going to upgrade to fresh new Linux 2.4 tools!
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20:55.37kingkong100hey
20:55.43Psi-JackYeaaah.. Kinda should've a long time ago. LOL
20:56.00kingkong100anybody has netbeans 6.8 installed in debian?
20:56.02jelly-homeit's been in the making for... like 7 years, I think
20:56.08kingkong100i just installed it and is very slow
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20:57.50dimhi, emacs23 in debian/kFreeBSD is frozen on startup, even with no user config (emacs -Q), but conkeror (using GTK too) works well
20:57.53dimany idea?
20:57.53jelly-homedpkg: dbugs 106798
20:57.58dpkg#106798:W[ifupdown] ifupdown: More support for ip-package (); Fri, 27 Jul 2001 11:48:11 UTC [87862]
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20:58.19jelly-homePsi-Jack: aight, make that 8+ years
20:58.22jelly-homesorry
20:58.27Psi-JackUh huh.
20:58.42Justindim: what does conkeror working have to do with emacs not working?
20:58.59dimvisually it looks like a problem with GTK widgets
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20:59.11dimand the only other GTK application I'm using is conkeror
20:59.29dimI only use emacs, conkeror and awesome as X clients under linux
20:59.45dimunder debian, sorry
20:59.54dimmy kongdom for a rest :)
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21:00.09Justinwell, i think you should install a few other small gtk apps to rule gtk out as a problem
21:00.16Justinmy guess is a problem with emacs
21:00.21dimanyway, debian/kFreeBSD ain't ready I suppose, but still I'd like to have emacs booting with only the system setup there
21:00.24Justindoes the non gtk emacs work?
21:00.33dimthe console one does
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21:01.02dimemacs-x shows the same thing as plain emacs, but it does not look like plain X widgets, rather gtk-ish
21:01.09dimalso ldd /usr/bin/emacs is happy
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21:01.22dimJustin: what small gtk app would you recommend?
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21:02.11jelly-homexchat? :-)
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21:02.34jelly-homegtk-chtheme?
21:02.49dimI've been using other IRC clients for *years* :) --- ok that does not apply, but still
21:02.58dimgtk-chtheme, will try
21:03.36dimseems to be working ok
21:04.03dimok time to strace I guess
21:04.07jelly-homeor some small editor like leafpad
21:04.20Justindim: gvim :)
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21:04.34dimJustin: ahah, I appreciate the humour :)
21:04.53dimno [ls]trace in kFreeBSD land
21:05.22dimtweak ulimit then kill -SEGV ?
21:06.03jelly-homedim: what's the native truss/strace-like tool called there?
21:06.58DomeDanhi, when i connect to a vnc server (x11vnc) it start with low-quallity (witch i want) but after a few seconds it turns to high-quallity and gets very slow, how do i keep it low-quallity?
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21:08.54jelly-homeDomeDan: tell the _client_ you don't want high-quality (F8, options?)
21:09.43dimseems I killed it in a poll()
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21:09.56dimjelly-home: discovering the platform, dunno
21:10.02DomeDanjelly-home i use xvncviewer as a client, i put in "low-quallity" options but still it turns to high after a few swconds
21:11.28JustinDomeDan: are you tunneling it over ssh?
21:13.30jelly-homeDomeDan: man vncviewer, read about -AutoSelect=0
21:14.08DomeDanjustin: no, but i found my mistake, it automaticly sets to "auto" everytime i start the client, sorry i didnt find it before i wrote it here
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21:15.14jelly-homeDomeDan: though I'm using xvnc4viewer, not xvncviewer
21:15.39RattyHey, I am trying to install a testing package from the debian-multimedia repository, all I have to do is add the repository to /etc/apt/sources.list and update the package list, correct?
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21:16.24dimdon't forget to install the package, too :)
21:16.25DomeDanjelly-home: ok, im gonna check out that client :)
21:16.35jelly-homeRatty: which debian release are you using?
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21:17.22Rattyjelly-home, Lenny
21:17.26jelly-home!dmm lenny
21:17.27dpkgTo add the debian-multimedia repository run (as root) # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; aptitude update && aptitude install debian-multimedia-keyring && aptitude update.  For an alternative way to load Marillat's archive key, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>.
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21:18.27Justinshould really use /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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21:19.25jelly-homeJustin: do you want to spend hours helping a user here with something weird in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that noone checked?
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21:20.17kingkong100anybody has any idea why Netbeans IDE is moving very slow?
21:20.48jelly-homedidn't know netbeans was in Debian
21:20.59kingkong100it isn't
21:21.07Rattyjelly-home, So I am guessing that I have to make my whole system go to testing to install mplayer testing from that repository?
21:21.13kingkong100i installed it from sun's site
21:21.22jelly-homeRatty: you don't want to do that.
21:22.08Rattyjelly-home, I am just trying to install mplayer testing for vdaup support(Hardware video decoding for nvidia)....
21:22.20Rattyjelly-home, lol, all I want is that
21:23.40jelly-homeRatty: how have you installed nvidia's driver?  vdpau support depends on a library that comes with it.
21:24.20jelly-homeRatty: this dependency issue is probably the reason why monsieur Marillat hasn't built it for lenny
21:24.21Rattyjelly-home, I downloaded it frmo the nvidia driver page and installed it manually and did a modprobe -i nvidia to install it
21:24.42mutantemy sources.list says "lenny main" and apparently i dont have "sun-java6-jdk", which way is recommended? is it to add "nonfree" or to dist-upgrade, or to download from Sun and install something manually?
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21:27.19jelly-homeRatty: sorry, I don't know whether you need to have nvidia driver installed the debian way or not for that package to work
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21:29.28jelly-homemutante: since your app isn't properly packaged anyway, you might as well use a sun java tarball and install it in /usr/local or /opt or somewhere
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21:31.24bulsasince a crash yesterday java has no networking anymore. I narrowed it down to the problem that java uses this kind of request to connect to a normal IPv4 address:
21:31.24bulsaconnect(69, {sa_family=AF_INET6, sin6_port=htons(80), inet_pton(AF_INET6, "::ffff:212.117.163.148", &sin6_addr), sin6_flowinfo=0, sin6_scope_id=0}, 28) = -1 ENETUNREACH
21:31.24bulsawhat could be the reason for this "network unreachable" (while as normal ipv4 request there is no problem..)? - and how could it be fixed
21:31.28mutantejelly-home: ok, thanks
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21:31.37pipelinekingkong100: netbeans is a huge nasty application - run it with the server jvm, and just never close it.
21:31.50pipelinekingkong100: server jvm will make it slow as hell for the first five minutes, and clippy thereafter
21:31.53kingkong100jelly-home if i install third party apps and don't want to put them in /opt where is recommended to put them? i put skype in /usr/lib and linked it from /usr/bin/skype
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21:32.26kingkong100pipeline what is the server jvm?
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21:32.49kingkong100i have sun-java6-sdk installed with apt
21:33.11mutantekingkong100: how does your sources.list look?
21:33.23pipelinekingkong100: the Sun JRE includes two JVMs: "client" and "server"
21:33.37kingkong100hm...
21:33.39pipelinekingkong100: "client" starts faster, but runs programs more slowly.  "server" takes some time to get off the ground, but performance improves over itme.
21:33.42mutantekingkong100: i just have "lenny main" , would i get it if i add "nonfree"?
21:33.48pipelinekingkong100: invoke java with "-server" to force it to use the "server" jvm.
21:34.06kingkong100pipeline ok
21:34.24pipelinekingkong100: also, check the Xms / Xmx options on the CLI.   You want to give the jvm running netbeans at least 1G-2G of RAM.
21:34.29kingkong100mutante i have a bunch of stuff in sources.list nonfree volatile backports...
21:34.35kingkong100so i am not sure where it is from
21:34.57mutanteok, checking ...
21:35.15kingkong100wow! i've been running it on WinXP for 2 years now and worked well. not fast but certainly not as on debian
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21:35.33kingkong100i will have to buy 2GB more RAM as I have just 2GB now
21:36.29kingkong100mutante: apt-cache search sun-java6-jdk
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21:36.51mutantekingkong100: no result   http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sun-java6-jdk
21:36.54kingkong100try that and see if it sees it. if it doesn't add repos and apt-get update
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21:37.41kingkong100it's in the non-free
21:37.48mutanteyep, just added it, and updating
21:37.56mutantethere it is
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21:38.47kingkong100i can't belive i resisted more than a day on linux lol
21:39.00jelly-homekingkong100: dunno, under /usr/local
21:39.34kingkong100jelly-home: what? is this the answer for my question about where to install 3rd party software?
21:41.23ranixkingkong100: many people do that in /opt
21:41.24Rattyjelly-home, Thanks for the info, I will take a look
21:41.48jelly-homekingkong100: yes.
21:41.51pipelinekingkong100: don't use /usr/local.  You will sooner or later fuck yourself.
21:41.55cast!stow
21:41.55dpkg[stow] a nifty program used to manage a /usr/local/ hierarchy.  It keeps all the programs separate, so you can install and remove them without playing the "which program does that file belong to" game.  See the package "stow", http://www.gnu.org/software/stow or ask me about <stow usage>.  Also ask me about <checkinstall>.
21:41.59jelly-homepipeline: ?
21:42.01castpipeline: why would he?
21:42.12pipelineI install every third party application in its own $PREFIX
21:42.13pipelineor use checkinstall
21:42.24cast/usr/local is a directory just line /opt, i don't see why it woud make any difference
21:42.31jelly-homepipeline: it's better than /usr/lib, which he said he used already.
21:42.32pipelineotherwise you end up in dependency hell when you come back and install a library two years later, only to discover a hidden dependency
21:42.35cast!checkinstall
21:42.35dpkgCheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution.  http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/  See also <stow>.
21:42.43castahh, that program is crap.
21:42.49pipelinecheckinstall is really not crap at all
21:43.01pipelineit prevents the package system from obliterating your shit, and prevents your shit from obliterating the package system
21:43.07pipelinecheckinstall is simple
21:43.12pipelinesometimes simple is a win
21:43.24castwhy should your shit touch the system package management?
21:43.55castand maybe it's not crap anymore, but it used to be quite broken
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21:44.30jelly-homeI wonder if it does shlibdeps these days
21:44.53gooserare there any good gtk/gnome frontends for mpg321? I'm looking for a lightweight audio player similar to xmms1 for a netbook situation
21:45.14kingkong100pipeline from where do I change netbeans to start with server jvm and how do i set xms?
21:45.16castpackage management won't touch /usr/local, so no problem.
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21:46.14royorbisonhi, i need help to install wuala from tarball http://www.wuala.com/en/download
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21:57.25pipelinekingkong100: probably the shell script that starts it.... vi `which netbeans`
21:57.54kingkong100ok
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22:06.26jelly-home!np
22:06.26dpkgsomebody said np was  "no problem", or "null pointer", or "no pants", or non-deterministically polynomial, or ¡ningún problema!, or "Now Playing", an abbreviation used by those lame mIRC/WinAmp plugins
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22:20.34kingkong100managed to make it fast
22:20.36kingkong100very fast
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22:20.53kingkong100i enabled opengl rendering for Java2D :D
22:21.15kingkong100increased Xmx to 1024m and Xms to 256m
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22:30.37doomsterhi!
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22:31.26doomstercan anyone tell me what '.install' or '..install.cmd' (try dpkg -S .install) are used for?
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22:33.23henkpoleyI'd like to install trac 0.11.6-1~bpo50+1 from lenny-unstable, how do I do this ?
22:33.37henkpoleyI have the repo in my sources-list
22:33.50henkpoleyI do this: sudo apt-get -t lenny-backports install trac
22:33.56henkpoleyIt gets the stable version
22:33.59henkpoleynow what?
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22:34.12castnow you RTFM
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22:35.04tuliohmhenkpoley, it gets the stable?
22:35.24henkpoleyI mean it gets trac-0.11.something that is in lenny repos
22:35.31henkpoleyit doesn't get the one from backports
22:35.51henkpoleyhow do I tell it to specifically get that one from backports?
22:36.05henkpoleyapparently -t lenny-backports isn't enough
22:36.11tuliohmthe line in sources.list
22:36.13tuliohmpost here
22:36.42henkpoleydeb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free
22:36.50henkpoleyfrom http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions
22:37.07henkpoleyalso installed debian-backports-keyring for good measure
22:37.10castaptitude update
22:37.22henkpoleydone that
22:37.27henkpoleyalso apt-get
22:37.43tuliohmhankpoley, you try to install with aptitude?
22:37.54henkpoleyyes, tried both apt-get and aptitude
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22:38.38henkpoleyIs there a 'update this package' option ?
22:38.47henkpoley"update trac" doesn't seem to do what I want
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22:39.22henkpoleyapt-get just ignores the "trac", aptitude tells me "upgrade" has no arguments
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22:39.35doomsterhenkpoley: read the effing instructions.
22:39.51doomsteryou really wouldn't ask if you had those absolute basics down.
22:39.54doomsterplease.
22:39.59henkpoleyI did, removed trac, then did `sudo aptitude -t lenny-backports install`
22:40.19henkpoleyand it still grabbed the 0.11.x release from the normal repo
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22:40.30henkpoleySo I come here to ask what I should have entered
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22:40.39henkpoley...install trac
22:40.41tuliohmhenkpoley, did you update?
22:40.42doomsterthe difference is between 'upgrade' and 'update'.
22:40.45tuliohmapt-get update?
22:40.51guysoft42hi all, i have a device called eth0_rename . is there a way to rename it to eth0 ?
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22:41.10henkpoleyyes, apt-get update, also aptitude update (just to see if it matters)
22:41.37henkpoleyupdate = get repo updates, upgrade = fetch updates and install (I know this)
22:42.05tuliohmhenkpoley, wait, i ll try here to install
22:42.05henkpoleyThere is no option to fetch the specified version ?
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22:42.24coolkehonhi
22:42.25henkpoleylike `apt-get install trac=0.11.6-1~bpo50+1` ?
22:42.44henkpoleywait.. that works
22:42.49coolkehoni want to install debian but i have no cd drive is it possible to install with the files on the a partiton on the hard drive
22:43.11castcoolkehon: sure is
22:43.11henkpoleyStill, the backports documentation is broken apparently
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22:43.20castcoolkehon: got a usb drive?
22:43.33coolkehonyep
22:43.40coolkehoncast, link?
22:45.06castto?
22:45.20castif you can boot from usb drive, then it's easy as piss
22:45.24coolkehoncast, how to install debian from a partion on the hard drive
22:45.43castwell, debootstrap is one way
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22:45.50coolkehoncast, yeah but i want to keep the files on the hard drive to install debian with i don't want to do a net install
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22:46.21tuliohmhenkpoley,
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22:46.35henkpoleytuliohm:  yes ?
22:46.43tuliohmhere it works with "aptitude -t lenny-backports install trac"
22:46.56henkpoleyWell, it sincerly doesn't for me
22:47.16tuliohmyou put the repository in the right place?
22:47.17tuliohm:P
22:47.47coolkehonso anyone know how to install debian from a hard drive partition
22:48.21henkpoleytuliohm: this http://pastie.org/758161
22:48.34henkpoleyis what I got when I ran the trac install
22:49.00henkpoleyShould have run with LANG=C ;-)
22:49.22tuliohmhenkpoley, yes :P
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22:49.24tuliohmbut..
22:49.42henkpoleyit's not aptitude ? ;-)
22:49.44tuliohmshow me "cat /etc/apt/sources.list"
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22:50.21henkpoleyhttp://pastie.org/758164
22:50.25tuliohmhenkpoley, what? if it's aptitude?
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22:50.38coolkehoni want to install debian but i have no cd drive is it possible to install with the files on the a partiton on the hard drive
22:50.50henkpoleytuliohm: that "but" "..you didn't use aptitude"
22:51.23tuliohmoh :)
22:51.31pb_laptopcoolkehon, it is in http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
22:51.40tuliohmlook at my out..
22:51.53pb_laptopcoolkehon, it _is_ posible
22:53.40tuliohmhenkpoley, http://pastebin.com/mc0af70d
22:54.19tuliohm!tell tuliohm aptitude
22:54.57tuliohm!tell tuliohm -about aptitude
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22:56.24tuliohmhenkpoley, see?
22:56.25henkpoleytuliohm: I think it's my /etc/apt/preferences I have stable pinned at 1001, I once downgraded from unstable or testing
22:56.38tuliohmhmmm
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22:57.04tuliohmhenkpoley, i can't say because i never pinned my repositories :X
22:57.12tuliohmbut should be this
22:57.13tuliohm...
22:57.13henkpoleyDunno if that is till from that downgrade (it was around lenny release, so not much of a "down" grade)
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22:57.43tuliohmhenkpoley, you can download the trac by your self
22:58.01tuliohmvia web
22:58.01henkpoleyIt already worked, you can install package-name=version
22:58.09tuliohmohhh
22:58.13tuliohmyes, i forget it
22:58.14tuliohm:X
22:58.14henkpoleyI know you can, I ran Trac like that for a long time
22:58.30henkpoleyI like my VPS package managed though
22:58.44tuliohmand about the apt-get
22:58.51tuliohmit's better to use the aptitude
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23:04.59guysoft42(repost)hi all, i have a device called eth0_rename . is there a way to rename it to eth0 ?
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23:05.54Macerhow do i disable all color in bash?
23:06.09Macerdisable all term color altogether. i don't want it
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23:31.57valdynMacer: what is colored in your terminal?
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23:33.19valdynguysoft42: thats an artifact of renaming failing at boot up
23:34.11valdynguysoft42: fix names to something unused in /etc/udev/rules.d/*persistent-net.rules
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23:35.15santiagohello
23:35.59santiagocan someone please explain to me if this hdd setup means that i have any raid on the box or not? http://pastebin.ca/1728930
23:36.33santiagobasically i'm going to format /dev/sdb but i'm afraid that there could be some raid running and i would heavily destroy the system or anything
23:36.58santiagoi pasted fdisk -l for your viewing pleasure :)
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23:38.11sadfsdsdaWhen attempting to install debian with a usb key, the installer asks for a cd-rom, how do I tell it to use the same usb-device it launched from
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23:39.20FarOutWhat is the file that specifies which repositories to use for apt-get?
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23:39.38santiagoanyone? pretty please.. http://pastebin.ca/1728930
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23:44.49rgrdebian uses inetd by default - someone told me I should be using xinetd. Should I? And how hard is the moveover?
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23:46.39abrotmanrgr: did you ask them why you should change?
23:47.25valdynFarOut: /etc/apt/sources.list
23:49.09valdynrgr: thats probably nonsense
23:49.14valdynrgr: why would you switch?
23:49.28valdynrgr: and beside that as far as i can see debian defaults to openbsd-inetd
23:50.12rgrI dont know. hence I am asking. Just interested.
23:50.40FarOutthanks valdyn
23:50.50valdynrgr: my inetd is completely unused
23:51.12santiagocan you use xfs on debian by default?
23:51.12rgrok ..
23:51.32valdynrgr: look at /etc/inetd.conf to see if you are even using it
23:51.36santiagoor does it req any kernel mods?
23:51.56valdynsantiago: works by default
23:52.18rgrvaldyn: err, I am using it.
23:52.24santiagovaldyn many thanks
23:52.32santiagoand how about ext4?
23:52.49rgrThats why I was merely inetrested as to why inetd over xinetd or vice versa.
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23:58.52zl2todsantiago: ext4 didn't want to work in stable and X is uninstallable in unstable ... your choice ;)

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