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| 00:00.16 | rgr | the xinetd FAQ explains it quite well actually. cheers. |
| 00:01.49 | tuliohm | !ext4 |
| 00:01.50 | dpkg | [ext4] Fourth extended file system. Supports volumes up to one exabyte (1024 petabytes) and extents. Support for ext4 filesystem features included in e2fsprogs since 1.41~WIP-2008-06-17-1. Merged in mainline kernel, available in 2.6.28 and later. Ask me about <ext3->ext4> and <ext4->ext3>. Not supported by GRUB Legacy (Debian bug #511121). http://wiki.debian.org/Ext4 http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/ #ext4 on irc.oftc.net. |
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| 00:19.11 | santiago | thanks for ext4 info... i will just wait... using xfs meanwhile |
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| 00:19.18 | santiago | can you explain to me: |
| 00:19.20 | santiago | Number Major Minor RaidDevice State |
| 00:19.21 | santiago | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.21 | santiago | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:19.35 | santiago | hrr... it was just two lines... |
| 00:19.59 | santiago | can you explain to me what will happen if i format /dev/sdb in that setup? |
| 00:20.16 | santiago | looks like raid1 is on the box but my sda isn't used in there right? |
| 00:20.25 | santiago | so it's a pseudo-raid or what? |
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| 00:21.58 | abrotman | it was three, plus your line before that, makes four |
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| 00:23.24 | santiago | abrotman of which only 2 were pasted :( |
| 00:23.35 | santiago | i type too much or i press enter too quickly sometimes ;( |
| 00:23.35 | abrotman | it's still four lines in rapid succession |
| 00:23.45 | santiago | abrotman, please help me :( |
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| 00:23.54 | santiago | yes indeed, my fault. |
| 00:24.00 | santiago | and shouldn't happen again |
| 00:24.24 | santiago | abrotman i managed to somehow enable raid1 on the box when installing debian remotely |
| 00:24.36 | santiago | but i never wanted that... i told installer to use only /dev/sda |
| 00:24.52 | santiago | and now i can see that there is some crazy raid running or at least it looks like it |
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| 00:25.01 | santiago | with sda device excluded... |
| 00:25.01 | abrotman | so hang around and wait for someone that has more experience with swraid |
| 00:25.11 | santiago | there is none :( |
| 00:25.56 | abrotman | you havne't waited very long .. |
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| 00:26.31 | philips | How do I change the root devices with grub2? |
| 00:26.35 | centHOGG | uses nvidia fakeraid |
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| 00:30.11 | santiago | ok i think i have found a solution... i need to fake-fail the device in raid |
| 00:30.15 | santiago | so it gets removed... |
| 00:30.21 | cammoblammo | Has anyone had issues with dpkg_1.15.5.5? It only half installed on my machine this morning. Now I don't have a working dpkg, so I'm going to have to downgrade manually. |
| 00:30.24 | santiago | then i have a nice raid1 with no devices attached :) |
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| 00:30.44 | abrotman | cammoblammo: unstable ? |
| 00:31.17 | cammoblammo | abrotman: Yes |
| 00:31.38 | abrotman | did you check the BTS? |
| 00:32.15 | cammoblammo | Yeah about 30 minutes ago, but nothing showed up |
| 00:32.44 | abrotman | cammoblammo: can you put the error in a pastebin ? |
| 00:33.07 | cammoblammo | Will do |
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| 00:35.57 | cammoblammo | Gah, my pastebin interface isn't working. It's only three lines though--- |
| 00:35.59 | cammoblammo | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (100) A package failed to install. Trying to recover: sh: /usr/bin/dpkg: Permission denied |
| 00:36.12 | cammoblammo | And yes, I am running via sudo. |
| 00:36.30 | abrotman | and if you 'dpkg --configure -a' ? |
| 00:37.03 | cammoblammo | Permission denied. That's logged in as root, FWIW. |
| 00:37.45 | abrotman | strace it? see what it's failing on .. make sure your disk aren't full also |
| 00:38.48 | cammoblammo | Hmm... using strace I'm getting a command not found error. |
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| 00:40.16 | cammoblammo | Okay, /usr/bin/dpkg exists, but the permissions are set at 000 |
| 00:40.17 | abrotman | because you don't have strace installed ? |
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| 00:40.45 | abrotman | mine is 755 root:root |
| 00:40.53 | cammoblammo | No it's there strace: dpkg: command not found |
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| 00:43.08 | cammoblammo | Okay, I've changed the permissions and it's working properly. |
| 00:43.29 | abrotman | weird .. |
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| 00:44.57 | cammoblammo | Must be something flaky in the install script. Figuring that out is beyoned my ability though... |
| 00:45.39 | TrueDD | Gnight to all |
| 00:46.01 | cammoblammo | Thanks, abrotman |
| 00:46.10 | abrotman | cammoblammo: which version was this ? |
| 00:46.17 | abrotman | judAREGHGJUDD |
| 00:46.21 | abrotman | stew: no judd? |
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| 00:47.05 | cammoblammo | abrotman: dpkg_1.15.5.5_i386 |
| 00:47.22 | abrotman | cammoblammo: you could try to reinstall it and see if it happens agian |
| 00:47.33 | cammoblammo | Aptitude got halfway through an upgrade and died after half installing dpkg. |
| 00:47.58 | cammoblammo | Yeah, I'll do that when the upgrade's complete. |
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| 00:53.37 | turneralex | Hey, im running a debian install and ive screwed the partitioning up |
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| 00:53.49 | turneralex | How do i delete LVM volumes? |
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| 00:54.59 | macrobat | turneralex: lvremove |
| 00:55.28 | cammoblammo | abrotman: Yep, same problem. It seemed to install okay, but now /usr/bin/dpkg has 000 permissions. I'll report it to the BTS. |
| 00:55.31 | NoCode | debhelper, dvd |
| 00:55.35 | turneralex | macrobat: hey mate, how does i access a terminal from the installer? |
| 00:55.38 | macrobat | look at man lvm, then man the actual command |
| 00:55.47 | abrotman | cammoblammo: weird .. okay |
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| 00:56.11 | NoCode | debhelper, tell NoCode about DVD |
| 00:56.14 | macrobat | you press ctrl + alt + F# where # is a number |
| 00:56.22 | NoCode | grr |
| 00:56.29 | turneralex | nahh im in the debian installer atm |
| 00:56.37 | turneralex | in the installer GUI thingo |
| 00:57.02 | macrobat | ctrl + alt + F2 i think, then |
| 00:57.11 | macrobat | try a couple |
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| 00:58.55 | macrobat | for lvm stuff you might have to do modprobe dm_mod and vgchange -ay |
| 00:59.05 | bluejean1 | hey all.. is mounting squashfs not supported in lenny?? all i get is error: "unknown fylsystem type 'squashfs'" |
| 00:59.41 | centHOGG | !squashfs |
| 00:59.41 | dpkg | SquashFS is a compressed read-only filesystem for Linux. To enable support within Debian systems (Etch, Lenny): "aptitude install squashfs-modules-$(uname -r)". Merged with the mainline kernel, available in 2.6.29 and later. http://squashfs.sf.net/ |
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| 01:00.48 | turneralex | Ahhh im having o luck |
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| 01:01.17 | turneralex | I just want to erase the Partition window so it lists only the drives attached |
| 01:01.22 | turneralex | nothing else |
| 01:01.28 | turneralex | Like a factory reset |
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| 01:02.07 | bremner | any suggestions for lightweight photo organizers? I don't need to edit, just shuffle things around. thumbnails for canon CR2 raw files would be a bonus |
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| 01:02.46 | centHOGG | bremner: have you seen/tried those online organizers |
| 01:02.48 | bluejean1 | centHOGG: ok.. i guess i had missed installing the module relevant to my kernel |
| 01:02.50 | bluejean1 | thanks |
| 01:03.05 | bremner | centHOGG: yeah, but I need something for the disk. |
| 01:03.09 | centHOGG | y |
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| 01:03.30 | centHOGG | has to organize his own someday (soon) |
| 01:03.56 | turneralex | How do I delete the partitions on a drive locked to LVM |
| 01:03.57 | turneralex | ??? |
| 01:04.54 | macrobat | turneralex: you want to erase everything on lvm? |
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| 01:07.09 | macrobat | look at lvremove vgremove pvremove |
| 01:07.52 | macrobat | use the lvdisplay vgdisplay pvdisplay to see what you have |
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| 01:10.19 | mallochigh | how do you mount a cdrom from within an initramfs? |
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| 01:34.03 | _heniu | hi all |
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| 01:34.33 | std | hey god |
| 01:35.35 | _heniu | could anybody show me good tutorial about moving existing lenny install to software raid (i use lvm) |
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| 01:38.54 | echosystm | does anyone know of a distro that is clean like debian, where the packages arent completely bastardised like in ubuntu? |
| 01:39.20 | EagleRock | echosystm: wouldn't that be Debian? :-) |
| 01:39.22 | echosystm | im basically looking for a newer debian |
| 01:39.39 | echosystm | i dont want to run testing |
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| 01:39.40 | echosystm | :P |
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| 01:39.50 | echosystm | it makes me nervous |
| 01:39.51 | EagleRock | you could try sidux, if you don't like running testing |
| 01:40.09 | EagleRock | sidux is basically debian sid plus some stabilizations and bugfixes |
| 01:40.13 | abrotman | maybe he should ask ##linux |
| 01:40.15 | EagleRock | it's worth looking up |
| 01:40.20 | EagleRock | true |
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| 01:45.47 | zorrolero | echosystm: grml |
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| 01:47.28 | _heniu | anyone tried to use ZFS ? |
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| 02:01.50 | darkblueB | a colleague put a sidux based system together.. really well done, in the limited time I looked at it |
| 02:02.01 | abrotman | i think you want #sidux on oftc |
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| 02:02.56 | darkblueB | you dont like talk about sidux abrotman ? |
| 02:03.08 | abrotman | this is a Debian support channel |
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| 02:03.21 | darkblueB | and... |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | and sidux is not Debian |
| 02:03.47 | darkblueB | I'm not an expert - it says Debian on the page I am lookng at |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | it's not Debian .. if it were debian, it would be called Debian, not Sidux |
| 02:04.29 | darkblueB | the strict interpretation, as they say in law |
| 02:04.42 | abrotman | it's still not Debian |
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| 02:06.28 | LinuxGuy2009 | How do you edit a drive label in Debian on a fat32 partition? |
| 02:07.45 | \amethyst | LinuxGuy2009: 'dosfslabel' in the package dosfstools |
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| 02:33.30 | santiago | what value do you give to fdisk to get an exact 100GB partition? |
| 02:34.08 | santiago | i just got a strange 94GB with +102400M value |
| 02:34.19 | Kazriko | tried 100g? |
| 02:34.30 | santiago | would that just work? |
| 02:34.54 | Kazriko | I've used +xG before and it did, it won't probably get you EXACTLY 100 gigs, but should be closer than 1024*100. |
| 02:35.31 | santiago | i wonder why it goes like that at all |
| 02:35.49 | Juzzy | 94gb is before a filesystem? |
| 02:35.56 | santiago | after |
| 02:36.05 | Juzzy | k, you'll lose some there |
| 02:36.06 | santiago | look at this: /dev/sda3 1341 14395 104857600 83 Linux |
| 02:36.13 | santiago | that's an exact 100GB |
| 02:36.16 | Juzzy | and you'll want to remove the reserve blocks too |
| 02:36.29 | Juzzy | tune2fs -r 0 /dev/sda3 |
| 02:36.36 | santiago | hm i know... i got 89 because of 5% |
| 02:36.44 | santiago | btw does that work for ext4 too? |
| 02:37.11 | santiago | df -h shows exactly 100GB for another drive |
| 02:37.19 | santiago | and that one was created when installing debian |
| 02:37.22 | Juzzy | df -k ? |
| 02:37.29 | santiago | good one :) |
| 02:37.33 | Juzzy | :) |
| 02:37.55 | santiago | hm /dev/sda3 104031520 7721732 91066908 8% /root |
| 02:38.48 | santiago | but then you can't use that in fdisk |
| 02:39.24 | santiago | Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (1-91201, default 91201): |
| 02:39.42 | santiago | ok so 100G gave me < 100k blocks |
| 02:39.55 | Juzzy | dunno bro, i always use lvm ;/ |
| 02:40.06 | santiago | 97667136 |
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| 02:40.38 | santiago | i'm paranoid :) |
| 02:40.45 | santiago | i want my exact 100GB :) |
| 02:41.26 | santiago | anything better than fdisk to use? |
| 02:41.31 | Tux^verdreifelt | GB or GiB? |
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| 02:42.12 | santiago | Tux^verdreifelt hm.. GiB? |
| 02:42.39 | Tux^verdreifelt | there /is/ a difference |
| 02:42.44 | newsense | hey how can i tell what option a package was compiled with ? i would like to connect to irc via irssi+ssl |
| 02:42.48 | santiago | i just can't setup a 100 gigabyte partition right |
| 02:42.53 | Tux^verdreifelt | manufacturers mix it up.. |
| 02:43.03 | santiago | oh you mean 1000 and 1024? |
| 02:43.17 | Tux^verdreifelt | i do |
| 02:43.36 | Tux^verdreifelt | a 100 GB hard disk never has 100 GiB |
| 02:43.58 | Tux^verdreifelt | while your OS knows only GiB, the manufacturers know only GB :) |
| 02:44.07 | santiago | i mean that's a 750-giger |
| 02:44.18 | santiago | i just want a 100GB partition on it |
| 02:44.28 | santiago | i gave the right parameter to fdisk and i got 94GB.. |
| 02:44.54 | Tux^verdreifelt | maybe fdisk uses GiB too? |
| 02:45.15 | tensorpudding | how are you specifying 100GB? |
| 02:45.15 | santiago | then i would want to use blocks as parameter |
| 02:45.18 | santiago | but that's not possible |
| 02:45.35 | santiago | i just got a strange 94GB with +102400M value |
| 02:45.43 | tensorpudding | maybe if you used it in terms of kilobytes |
| 02:45.55 | santiago | unless K means 1000 there |
| 02:46.32 | tensorpudding | (1024)^2 * 100 kilobytes |
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| 02:46.59 | santiago | i'm trying it |
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| 02:47.05 | abrotman | newsense: get the source package |
| 02:47.38 | newsense | the deb package doesnt have ssl enabled does it ? |
| 02:47.44 | abrotman | which package? |
| 02:47.48 | newsense | irssi |
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| 02:48.02 | abrotman | newsense: apt-cache show irssi .. does it depend on libssl or libtls ? |
| 02:48.29 | santiago | oh wow.. |
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| 02:48.46 | newsense | abrotman: yeah i guess it does support it than, it depends libssl |
| 02:49.04 | santiago | this time i got 102406311 blocks |
| 02:49.12 | santiago | which is way closer to 100GB but still NOT it |
| 02:49.26 | abrotman | which program is doing hte partitioning ? |
| 02:49.38 | santiago | it should be 104857600 blocks |
| 02:49.38 | Pnux | fdisk aparently |
| 02:49.41 | santiago | fdisk |
| 02:49.46 | tensorpudding | heh |
| 02:49.50 | santiago | and i'm going crazy already. |
| 02:49.53 | tensorpudding | can you specify the number of bytes? |
| 02:49.57 | santiago | nope |
| 02:50.09 | santiago | Last cylinder or +size or +sizeM or +sizeK (1-91201, default 91201): +104857600k |
| 02:50.21 | santiago | and it has just stolen ~2mln |
| 02:50.33 | santiago | so why debian installer can handle it right |
| 02:50.41 | santiago | i wanted 100 and i got exactly 100 up to the byte |
| 02:50.43 | Pnux | why are you obsesing over 100 GBs, why cant it be just 97? |
| 02:50.54 | santiago | Pnux i like numbers :) |
| 02:50.58 | tensorpudding | how big is a block? |
| 02:51.09 | tensorpudding | 1kb? |
| 02:51.10 | santiago | and i also want to understand "how it works" |
| 02:51.14 | Pnux | santiago: numbers dont like you, and they never will |
| 02:51.23 | santiago | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 02:51.37 | santiago | Disk /dev/sdb: 750.1 GB, 750156374016 bytes |
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| 02:53.20 | tensorpudding | that is using the decimal one there |
| 02:53.26 | santiago | hm |
| 02:53.55 | tensorpudding | since 750 binary gigabytes is 805306368000 bytes |
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| 02:54.12 | santiago | hm |
| 02:56.07 | santiago | so i just want to recalculate this |
| 02:56.38 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ok Im stuck. I just used a VBox of Windows and iTunes to restore my iPod to factory. Im trying to use dd to backup the master boot record with "dd if=/dev/sdc bs=512 count=1 of=/home/mark/Desktop/MBR.bin" works great. Now the firmware is on /dev/sdc1 which gparted doesnt seem to recognise and either does dd. Ive done this on Ubuntu before I ditched it. Am I missing something? |
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| 02:57.02 | LinuxGuy2009 | Im doing this so i can do a factory restore using dd on linux. |
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| 02:57.39 | tensorpudding | it's not possible to divide a binary gigabyte evenly into blocks of that size |
| 02:57.47 | LinuxGuy2009 | Ide hate to have to make a 30GB file just to this when the firmwarer partition is only 80mb. |
| 02:58.24 | santiago | tensorpudding then how did debian installer succeed then? |
| 02:58.35 | santiago | i wanted 100GB for root and i got it.. |
| 02:58.42 | santiago | on another drive that is |
| 02:58.59 | santiago | and that's exactly same drive with 512 block |
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| 03:00.06 | santiago | i'm testing cfdisk |
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| 03:01.11 | jmarsden | santiago: Why? Use sectors as the unit and ask for 2 * 100 * 1024 * 1024 = 209715200 of them. |
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| 03:01.27 | abrotman | too easy! |
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| 03:01.46 | aalex | hi |
| 03:01.53 | dvs | makes too much sense |
| 03:02.34 | aalex | I am building a debian package for an application I wrote. The icon doesn't get installed at the right place. The command I put in debina/rules is : dh_install toonloop.png usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps |
| 03:02.43 | aalex | Anyone sees something wrong in it? |
| 03:02.53 | prince_jammys | leading slash? |
| 03:03.09 | jmarsden | aalex: You may do better asking in #debian-mentors for this kind of question. |
| 03:03.13 | santiago | hmm |
| 03:03.18 | aalex | prince_jammys: I think you are now supposed to put a leading slash |
| 03:03.33 | abrotman | aalex: and it gets installed where ? |
| 03:04.03 | aalex | jmarsden: thanks. I was looking for such a channel |
| 03:04.28 | abrotman | aalex: #debian-mentors is on irc.oftc.net |
| 03:04.28 | jmarsden | aalex: BTW, it would be more usual to use a debian/install file instead of directly calling dh_install like that in debian/rules |
| 03:05.11 | aalex | jmarsden: Oh. For a Python app as well? Have you got an example of this? |
| 03:05.16 | aalex | any doc I can read? |
| 03:06.29 | jmarsden | aalex: I'm not sure Python makes a difference here. man dh_install says: "Files named debian/package.install list the files ..." and if you have a single binary package debian/install is equivalent to debian/packagename.install |
| 03:07.02 | santiago | OH YES. |
| 03:07.09 | santiago | <jmarsden> santiago: Why? Use sectors as the unit and ask for 2 * 100 * 1024 * 1024 = 209715200 of them. |
| 03:07.15 | santiago | that was a golden one... |
| 03:07.25 | jmarsden | Glad to help :) |
| 03:07.27 | santiago | finally my exact 100GB is there... so many thanks! |
| 03:07.28 | aalex | abrotman: It gets installed in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/toonloop.png. Is that ok? |
| 03:07.40 | santiago | damn now i do understand what low level is :) |
| 03:07.50 | abrotman | aalex: isn't that where you asked it to be installed ? |
| 03:08.08 | santiago | up to the byte: /dev/sdb1 63 209715263 104857600+ 83 Linux |
| 03:08.36 | aalex | abrotman: yes. Is that a correct location? sometimes, the desktop file doesnt have an icon. :( |
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| 03:08.56 | abrotman | aalex: that's a policy question, ask the -mentors channel |
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| 03:09.06 | aalex | abrotman: thanks. |
| 03:09.29 | jmarsden | aalex: Also check that you are running dh_icons afterwards |
| 03:10.10 | santiago | and now it's time to put ext4 on :) |
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| 03:10.52 | xyan | santiago: and after that to run df -h to see it shows 99G :) |
| 03:11.59 | santiago | indeed |
| 03:12.07 | santiago | wtf :\ |
| 03:12.31 | santiago | my other identical drive has 100GB and exactly SAME # of blocks... 104857600 |
| 03:12.32 | xyan | well you could install pydf which shows something different |
| 03:12.35 | santiago | and it shows 100GB... |
| 03:12.45 | xyan | or even gparted which shows something completley different := |
| 03:12.49 | santiago | lol |
| 03:12.54 | aalex | jmarsden: jh_icons with no args? |
| 03:13.25 | jmarsden | dh_icons and yes, no arguments... read its man page :) |
| 03:13.40 | santiago | ok the only diff is that on that other drive partition starts somewhere in the middle of that drive |
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| 03:14.14 | santiago | ok i will just funk it and live with 99.. |
| 03:14.33 | CopropHAGE | Tired of those feral negroid beasts and their monkeyshines? Are you uncomfortable with those Nazi-like groups? We have the forum for you! Chimpout Forum! At Chimpout we are not White Supremacists! We welcome anybody who isn't a nigger and who hates niggers! Thats right! At Chimpout we welcome the diversity of the human species by welcoming Asians, Jews, non-negroid Hispanics, Arabs, Semites, Whites, Native Americans, Indians, etc. Basically |
| 03:14.33 | CopropHAGE | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.06 | santiago | CopropHAGE pardon? |
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| 03:22.12 | MJBrune | whats the best software to use for flash, adobe, gnash or swdec? |
| 03:23.06 | jmarsden | !best |
| 03:23.06 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 03:23.59 | MJBrune | best as in the quickest rendering with the best quality |
| 03:24.11 | icebrain | MJBrune: adobe |
| 03:24.25 | MJBrune | icebrain: thanks |
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| 03:30.27 | uva_ | !best vm |
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| 03:31.33 | shivraj | can someone add info about super grub boot disk ? its pretty useful, couldnt get into my system after this grub2 update |
| 03:31.58 | prince_jammys | !supergrub |
| 03:31.58 | dpkg | [supergrub] Super Grub Disk, a fork of <GRUB>, is available for download at http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ . It can be used to repair existing GRUB installations, see http://www.supergrubdisk.org/w/index.php5?title=FixBootOfLinuxOption . See also <fixmbr>. |
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| 03:32.24 | shivraj | oh ok .. but it should be added to the grub keyword |
| 03:33.16 | uva_ | !qemu |
| 03:33.16 | dpkg | QEMU is a fast PC emulator. <PXE> boot roms (pxe-e1000.bin, pxe-ne2k_pci.bin, pxe-pcnet.bin, pxe-rtl8139.bin) are not supplied in Lenny's version (Debian bug #412010); acquire and place within /usr/share/qemu if desired. http://wiki.debian.org/QEMU http://qemu-buch.de/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/FrequentlyAskedQuestions http://www.nongnu.org/qemu/ #qemu on irc.freenode.net. Lenny users, ask me about <mmap_min_addr>. See also <virtualization>. |
| 03:33.23 | uva_ | fast? |
| 03:33.37 | abrotman | please msg the bot |
| 03:33.42 | uva_ | sry |
| 03:34.18 | MJBrune | !flash |
| 03:34.19 | dpkg | flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. See also http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:34.25 | abrotman | wtf |
| 03:34.26 | MJBrune | !adobe flash |
| 03:34.26 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is <non-free> and cannot be in a stable Debian release, as Adobe doesn't provide security support for older versions (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291). The easiest way to install flash is with the flashplayer-mozilla package from <debian-multimedia.org>; there is also a flashplugin-nonfree <contrib> package for sid and backports.org users. Ask me about <dmm> <bpo> <non-free>. http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:34.28 | abrotman | !tell MJBrune about msg the bot |
| 03:34.50 | MJBrune | abrotman: dont have the bot pm me, its very annoying |
| 03:34.58 | abrotman | don't flood the channel |
| 03:35.10 | MJBrune | i am not. i am doing what i was told to do from the bot |
| 03:35.22 | jmarsden | shivraj: If you follow the links in the grub factoid, the one for fixmbr leads you to supergrub. |
| 03:35.22 | abrotman | no, the bot told you to msg it |
| 03:35.38 | jmarsden | MJBrune: Do that in a private conversation with the bot, not here! |
| 03:35.39 | MJBrune | it did not |
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| 03:35.51 | abrotman | !tell MJBrune about msg the bot |
| 03:35.54 | abrotman | there .. it did it again |
| 03:36.02 | MJBrune | !tell abrotman about msg the bot |
| 03:36.11 | abrotman | i already know how .. thanks |
| 03:36.13 | MJBrune | there you msg the bot to tell me to msg it |
| 03:36.14 | MJBrune | thanks |
| 03:38.33 | shivraj | jmarsden: I know I saw that but it should be a more direct link |
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| 04:17.56 | Shtl_ | Hello i am using lenny since from 10 months as router was well working, suddenly now i cant able to enter into root, with su command which is saying operation not permitted..., even sudo also not working..., can any one tell me the reason plz??/ |
| 04:18.43 | abrotman | possibly security breach ? |
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| 04:20.06 | Shtl_ | how to avoid it??? |
| 04:20.08 | nike | I am trying to connect to my stable server via SSH, but I immediately keep getting closed |
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| 04:20.30 | nike | Right after I type in the password, it immediately returns the error: |
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| 04:20.34 | MusicalGenius | hi i need help connecting with a wireless pci card |
| 04:20.39 | nike | "Connection closed by UNKNOWN" |
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| 04:21.01 | abrotman | MusicalGenius: you'll have to give us more details like the device in question and the kernel currently trying to be used |
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| 04:21.22 | MusicalGenius | the wireless card is a Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g] |
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| 04:21.43 | MusicalGenius | and i forgot how to figure out my kernel |
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| 04:22.17 | MusicalGenius | Linux debian 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 4 20:45:37 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 04:22.20 | MusicalGenius | there we go |
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| 04:24.38 | MusicalGenius | abrotman can you help? |
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| 04:24.50 | abrotman | !bcm4318 |
| 04:24.50 | dpkg | [b43] the driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g wireless chipsets, included in Linux since 2.6.24. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter>. USB devices not supported (for 4320, see <rndis_wlan>). 802.11b-only devices and BCM4306 rev 2 are instead supported by the <b43legacy> driver. BCM4321/4322 not supported, ask about <wl> or <ndiswrapper>. See also <bcm4312>. http://wiki.debian.org/bcm43xx #bcm-users on irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:24.59 | abrotman | MusicalGenius: /msg dpkg b43-fwcutter |
| 04:25.13 | abrotman | MusicalGenius: you'll need wired internet for this |
| 04:25.20 | MusicalGenius | im wired right now |
| 04:25.25 | MusicalGenius | im on my debian box |
| 04:25.37 | MusicalGenius | but i dont know what that stuff means |
| 04:26.25 | nike | MusicalGenius: There are two things you need for the card to work: driver and a proprietary firmware blob. You've go the driver in your Linux kernel, but you probably are missing the firmware if it's not working. |
| 04:26.49 | MusicalGenius | i dont know if its not working, i dont know how to know if it works |
| 04:26.58 | nike | The software you use to retrieve the firmware is b43-fwcutter which stands for firmware cutter. |
| 04:27.19 | nike | MusicalGenius: The easiest way is to use a network manager connection utility in the graphical interface I find. |
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| 04:27.29 | nike | I like wicd myself, but many people also run one called network-manager |
| 04:28.00 | nike | MusicalGenius: If I had to recommend one, I'd say install the 'wicd' package. That should also mark other wireless software packages for getting Debian ready to make your card work. |
| 04:28.17 | nike | That is, assuming you have your driver *and* firmware blob already installed. |
| 04:28.31 | nike | but I'd bet you don't have the firmware there, would be my guess anyway. |
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| 04:28.46 | Shtl_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:28.55 | Shtl_ | can any one tell me? |
| 04:29.05 | Shtl_ | m failing to start ssh |
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| 04:30.46 | MusicalGenius | where do i find the wicd package? |
| 04:31.35 | dgeary2 | Shtl_: what are the permissions for /var/run/sshd/ ? |
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| 04:33.41 | abrotman | MusicalGenius: did you install the b43-fwcutter yet ? |
| 04:33.49 | abrotman | !tell MusicalGenius about b43-fwcutter |
| 04:33.52 | MusicalGenius | i dont even know where to get taht |
| 04:33.52 | Shtl_ | dgeary2: is it possible to check in webmin?? since its my remote PC... |
| 04:33.52 | abrotman | !tell MusicalGenius about bpo |
| 04:34.58 | dgeary2 | Shtl_: i have never used webmin... |
| 04:35.30 | MusicalGenius | im looking in the synaptic package manager and im not finding either of the things you guys are talking about |
| 04:36.38 | Shtl_ | dgeary2: for sshd user it has taken UID as 110... |
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| 04:39.13 | kronic | anyone installed the 389 directory server? |
| 04:39.21 | kronic | looking for debs |
| 04:39.38 | nike | MusicalGenius: I just checked, and wicd isn't in lenny (stable) which is what you appear to be running. |
| 04:39.53 | Ratty | Hey would there be a reason behind my sound card not being shown in /proc/asound/cards? Is it due to a module not loading or what? Dist upgrade borked my sound. Now my Audigy 2ZS isnt being detected other than lspci -v |
| 04:39.56 | MusicalGenius | what does taht mean nike? |
| 04:40.20 | nike | MusicalGenius: Get it from lenny-backports would be my recommendation, so enable that repository in your package manager. |
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| 04:40.58 | MusicalGenius | i dont know how, everything i do in terminal says permission denied |
| 04:41.14 | MusicalGenius | i swear my computer is being the worlds biggest bitch right now nike |
| 04:41.17 | dgeary2 | Shtl_: can you navigate the filesystem in webmin? |
| 04:41.27 | nike | MusicalGenius: If you are trying to install/remove packages or configure your package manager I would think you need to be root. |
| 04:41.36 | MusicalGenius | i opened a root termina |
| 04:41.41 | MusicalGenius | and used sudo |
| 04:41.45 | nike | MusicalGenius: use 'su' to get to root on a normal terminal |
| 04:41.56 | nike | Using sudo as root is unnecessary |
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| 04:42.21 | MusicalGenius | sources.list is under /etc/apt right? |
| 04:42.26 | nike | MusicalGenius: correct |
| 04:42.32 | MusicalGenius | ok |
| 04:42.40 | nike | I would copy whatever you deb ... lenny line says |
| 04:42.41 | Ratty | nvm fixed... lolz |
| 04:42.46 | Rusty1 | http://directory.fedoraproject.org/wiki/Howto:DebianUbuntu << kronic |
| 04:42.49 | nike | and make a new line saying lenny-backports instead of lenny |
| 04:43.08 | MusicalGenius | how do i open that file? |
| 04:43.19 | kronic | would prefer not use to alien, it makes one monolithic install |
| 04:43.21 | MusicalGenius | debian:/home/andy# /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:43.22 | MusicalGenius | bash: /etc/apt/sources.list: Permission denied |
| 04:43.54 | icebrain | MusicalGenius: you have to use some kind of editor. Try 'gedit /etc/apt/sources.list' |
| 04:44.14 | icebrain | that will open the file in gedit (a text file editor) |
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| 04:45.26 | MusicalGenius | nike how do i add the backports thing? |
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| 04:46.01 | nike | ^^ |
| 04:46.02 | nike | I would copy whatever you deb ... lenny line says |
| 04:46.03 | nike | and make a new line saying lenny-backports instead of lenny |
| 04:46.20 | nike | So it should say the same thing except lenny-backports in it's place |
| 04:46.45 | Shtl_ | dgeary2: ls -l /var/run/sshd lists 0 |
| 04:46.56 | simonrvn | !webmin |
| 04:46.57 | dpkg | [webmin] a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 04:47.45 | MusicalGenius | nike lenny-backports main or just lenny-backports? |
| 04:47.51 | Shtl_ | sshd has rwxr-xr-x permission |
| 04:48.15 | nike | MusicalGenius: You want the main there, yes. |
| 04:50.11 | MusicalGenius | nike when i type iwconfig into the terminal it shows wlan0 and alot of stuff under that, does that mean its installed? |
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| 04:51.26 | nike | MusicalGenius: Did you install the wicd package? |
| 04:51.43 | MusicalGenius | is that in synaptic? |
| 04:52.08 | MusicalGenius | nike is that in synaptic? |
| 04:52.10 | nike | MusicalGenius: It will be there via any APT frontend, including Synaptic |
| 04:52.24 | nike | As long as you saved your edit to sources.list adding lenny-backports |
| 04:52.30 | MusicalGenius | yeah i did |
| 04:52.32 | nike | and updated APT's package lists |
| 04:52.43 | nike | via the "Reload" button in Synaptic or apt-get update as root |
| 04:53.10 | MusicalGenius | its still not showing up |
| 04:53.48 | MusicalGenius | debian:/etc/apt# apt-get install wicd |
| 04:53.48 | MusicalGenius | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 04:53.48 | MusicalGenius | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 04:53.51 | MusicalGenius | whats that mean? |
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| 04:54.05 | DogBoy | means you need to be root |
| 04:54.11 | nike | DogBoy: wrong |
| 04:54.15 | nike | He was root |
| 04:54.26 | nike | He can't run apt-get and have synaptic open simultaneously |
| 04:54.31 | DogBoy | yea |
| 04:54.37 | DogBoy | I was just testing |
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| 04:55.13 | MusicalGenius | did you get that nike? |
| 04:55.16 | nike | MusicalGenius: You can't run apt-get and synaptic at the same time |
| 04:55.37 | MusicalGenius | now it says couldnt find package wicd |
| 04:56.12 | nike | MusicalGenius: pastebin the output of the command "cat /etc/apt/sources.list" |
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| 04:59.36 | intx | will a 2.4 kernel work on lenny? |
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| 05:02.42 | simonrvn | !tell MusicalGenius -about paste |
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| 05:05.56 | MusicalGenius | nike; |
| 05:05.59 | MusicalGenius | http://pastebin.com/m7067d01e |
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| 05:07.26 | icebrain | MusicalGenius: you can either use Synaptic or the terminal. Try closing Synaptic and run "aptitude update ; aptitude install wicd" |
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| 05:07.57 | nike | MusicalGenius: I'm sorry, the repository is incorrect. |
| 05:08.22 | MusicalGenius | nike what's the right one? |
| 05:08.45 | nike | Edit your sources.list again as root and change the last two lines to this one: |
| 05:08.47 | nike | deb http://www.backports.org/debian lenny-backports main contrib non-free |
| 05:09.02 | nike | except I personally would remove the contrib and non-free |
| 05:09.07 | nike | But that's up to you. |
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| 05:18.38 | MusicalGenius1 | nike i got wicd installed now |
| 05:18.48 | MusicalGenius1 | but its not showing any wireless devices |
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| 05:19.06 | nike | MusicalGenius1: But ifconfig is showing wlan0 ? |
| 05:19.33 | nike | MusicalGenius1: If so, try going to Wicd's prferences and putting wlan0 in the first text input box next to Wireless Device |
| 05:19.34 | MusicalGenius1 | no... iwconfig does |
| 05:19.51 | nike | MusicalGenius1: But ifconfig doesn't? |
| 05:19.55 | MusicalGenius1 | nope |
| 05:20.04 | nike | I still think your firmware is likely not installed. But try "ifup wlan0 |
| 05:20.07 | nike | as root |
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| 05:20.26 | MusicalGenius1 | it says ignoring unknown interface |
| 05:22.00 | nike | MusicalGenius1: I would guess that everything is ready except for the proprietary firmware |
| 05:22.02 | newsense | MusicalGenius1: do you have a wlan0 entry in your interfaces file ? |
| 05:22.13 | MusicalGenius1 | nope |
| 05:22.16 | newsense | add one |
| 05:22.21 | MusicalGenius1 | oh wait, what does that mean? |
| 05:22.25 | nike | You need to use b43-fwcutter to get the proprietary firmware blob |
| 05:22.27 | newsense | then bring the device up |
| 05:22.29 | MusicalGenius1 | wheres my interface file? |
| 05:22.38 | nike | Also do what newsense is saying might be good idea |
| 05:22.39 | newsense | yeah you need firmware first |
| 05:22.47 | newsense | /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:22.57 | newsense | add iface wlan0 |
| 05:23.11 | newsense | iface wlan0 inet dhcp |
| 05:23.19 | rumpsy | I got a problem in installing flex plugin in eclipse ! |
| 05:23.23 | MusicalGenius1 | im installing b43-fwcutter and its doing a crap load of stuff |
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| 05:23.47 | rumpsy | It displayed error as assertion failed, could not load editor |
| 05:24.00 | Shtl_ | i am getting this error http://pastebin.com/m7bf56527 can any one help me plz? |
| 05:24.56 | rumpsy | Shtl_: what you did? |
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| 05:25.47 | Shtl_ | i donno wat i did, last time when i restarted its behaving like this, i cant able to start any server on it |
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| 05:25.58 | MusicalGenius2 | got it |
| 05:25.59 | MusicalGenius2 | thanks |
| 05:26.28 | MusicalGenius2 | on to phase two, what do i need to do to install a ati radeon 7k graphics card? |
| 05:26.53 | newsense | MusicalGenius1: /msg dpkg ati |
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| 05:28.44 | MusicalGenius2 | newsense that didnt really help, the page it gave me didnt work |
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| 05:31.10 | icebrain | actually it does... but it doesn't matter, the ATI Radeon 7000 isn't supported by the official drivers anyway, as far as Ican tell |
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| 05:35.44 | icebrain | MusicalGenius2: are you using the card now? |
| 05:37.14 | MusicalGenius2 | the graphics card icebrain? |
| 05:37.21 | icebrain | yes |
| 05:37.42 | MusicalGenius2 | yeah i am |
| 05:38.09 | MusicalGenius2 | how do i mount a hd icebrain? |
| 05:38.16 | MusicalGenius2 | it says permission denied when i try |
| 05:39.41 | nike | MusicalGenius1: Your graphics card is a Radeon 7000 series? |
| 05:40.06 | icebrain | MusicalGenius2: is it a removable usb hd? |
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| 05:40.35 | MusicalGenius2 | nike yeah |
| 05:40.41 | MusicalGenius2 | icebrain its a hd in my computer |
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| 05:40.58 | nike | That's a first generation of Radeons if so, R100. They are fully supported with the radeon driver. I would use the radeon driver in X.Org. |
| 05:41.06 | MusicalGenius2 | icebrain this is my first time using debian for the most part |
| 05:41.14 | nike | MusicalGenius2: Unmount it as root if it says permission denied |
| 05:41.30 | MusicalGenius2 | nike how do i mount or unmount? |
| 05:41.41 | nike | What desktop environment do you have? |
| 05:41.43 | icebrain | nike: that should be automatically detected and installed (radeon), shouldn't it? |
| 05:41.47 | nike | KDE or GNOME? |
| 05:41.51 | MusicalGenius2 | gnome |
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| 05:43.54 | MusicalGenius2 | nike im running gnome |
| 05:44.25 | nike | MusicalGenius2: Do you want to unmount via the GUI or CLI? |
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| 05:45.09 | MusicalGenius2 | either or works for me, im used to puppy linux. im not used to getting messages from my computer that sound like my mom is watching me lol |
| 05:46.02 | nike | MusicalGenius2: Then either set up sudo to work with your user account, or be root |
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| 05:47.08 | nike | MusicalGenius2: sudo umount /dev/sdb1 /mnt |
| 05:47.18 | nike | unmounts /dev/sdb1 from the mountpoint /mnt |
| 05:47.30 | nike | use 'mount' alone as a command to see what is currently mounted where |
| 05:47.46 | MusicalGenius2 | alright and one more thing nike wheres fstab? |
| 05:48.19 | CodeNinja | how would I install a backports version of a package via command line? |
| 05:48.23 | newsense | MusicalGenius2: /etc |
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| 05:50.41 | nike | MusicalGenius2: Also, look inside /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see your graphics driver and make sure it is radeon |
| 05:50.53 | nike | but I think lenny is smart enough to use the radeon driver by default for your card |
| 05:51.03 | MusicalGenius2 | ok |
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| 05:53.15 | MusicalGenius2 | nike in fstab if i want it to just mount sda1 as my storage drive for downloads and music and files, what would i put for options dump pass and type? |
| 05:53.23 | MusicalGenius2 | its an ext3 drive |
| 05:55.51 | newsense | MusicalGenius2: man fstab |
| 05:57.39 | newsense | MusicalGenius2: you probably want 0 2 though |
| 05:58.19 | MusicalGenius2 | newsense what do i want for options tho? |
| 05:58.27 | MusicalGenius2 | should i use defaults? |
| 05:58.33 | newsense | MusicalGenius2: yeah |
| 05:59.03 | newsense | options 5 and 6 are for dump and fsck priority |
| 05:59.22 | MusicalGenius2 | newsense, cuz i have music on there and i want to be able to boot up and have it mounted so when i run rythmbox it will already have the file mounted and ready |
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| 06:00.14 | newsense | MusicalGenius2: if you choose zero for the last option fsck will not check the drive |
| 06:00.35 | newsense | MusicalGenius2: what partition and mount point ? |
| 06:00.50 | MusicalGenius2 | sda1 and i dont know what mount point means |
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| 06:01.09 | newsense | where in the filesystem will the data be in ? |
| 06:01.16 | newsense | ~/music ? |
| 06:01.28 | newsense | and fs type |
| 06:01.42 | MusicalGenius2 | idk its got a crap load of different stuff on it, i was assuming / |
| 06:01.46 | MusicalGenius2 | but i dont know |
| 06:02.01 | newsense | you cant mount your music partiton on / |
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| 06:02.11 | newsense | oh man |
| 06:02.24 | MusicalGenius2 | its not my music partition, its a 500 gig drive with files on it |
| 06:02.34 | newsense | where do you want the drive to show up at ? |
| 06:02.51 | MusicalGenius2 | im assuming the answer your looking for is /mnt/sda1? |
| 06:03.02 | newsense | yeah |
| 06:03.11 | newsense | and what fs ? |
| 06:03.26 | MusicalGenius2 | ext3 |
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| 06:04.11 | newsense | ok so you want /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 06:04.24 | newsense | in your /etc/fstab |
| 06:04.30 | MusicalGenius2 | i think its /dev/sda1 |
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| 06:04.46 | MusicalGenius2 | its a sata hd and in puppy linux thats what it is |
| 06:04.50 | newsense | you cant mount it at /dev |
| 06:05.05 | MusicalGenius2 | i know |
| 06:05.09 | newsense | i said /dev/sda1 |
| 06:05.14 | MusicalGenius2 | i was saying i think thats which hd it is |
| 06:05.23 | newsense | [00:04] [ newsense ] ok so you want /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ext3 defaults 0 2 |
| 06:05.32 | MusicalGenius2 | whats the 2 at the end mean? |
| 06:05.48 | newsense | fsch will scan it |
| 06:06.03 | MusicalGenius2 | whats fsch? |
| 06:06.08 | MusicalGenius2 | and does that take time? |
| 06:06.16 | newsense | fsck |
| 06:06.21 | newsense | sorry typo |
| 06:06.23 | rumpsy | yes fsck |
| 06:06.30 | MusicalGenius2 | i still dont know what that is |
| 06:06.33 | newsense | or set it to zero to have fsck skip it |
| 06:06.48 | newsense | type whatis fsck for a short description |
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| 06:07.06 | rumpsy | force check |
| 06:07.27 | fidin | on my LAN how can i make it so my linux computer is named 'foo' and then connect to it from other computers by using the name 'foo'? |
| 06:07.30 | MusicalGenius2 | sweet, i learn something new erryday |
| 06:07.42 | rvalles | fidin: see /etc/hosts |
| 06:07.52 | newsense | rumpsy: ? |
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| 06:08.11 | fidin | do i just put 'myIP foo' in /etc/hosts because i did that and it works but it doesnt seem to work for subdomains. the subdomain bar.foo works only on the same computer as the /etc/hosts file but not from my other computers |
| 06:08.12 | rvalles | fidin: and "man hostname" |
| 06:08.27 | rvalles | well, you need to make the nameserver aware of that |
| 06:08.39 | rvalles | how are you trying to connect to your computer? |
| 06:08.40 | rumpsy | dpkg tell newsense about fsck |
| 06:08.44 | MusicalGenius2 | aight thanks guys |
| 06:08.48 | fidin | its all on my lan from my nat router |
| 06:08.50 | rvalles | samba != everything else, basically |
| 06:08.55 | rumpsy | ask dpkg |
| 06:09.14 | rvalles | so, anyways, you need to have your router resolve "foo" as the ip of your foo |
| 06:09.22 | rvalles | (the nameserver on your router) |
| 06:09.31 | rvalles | here, ddwrt sort of handles that. |
| 06:09.35 | rvalles | ymmv |
| 06:09.59 | newsense | rumpsy: ok ? |
| 06:10.10 | newsense | you are telling me this why ? |
| 06:10.23 | rumpsy | newsense: :D |
| 06:10.47 | newsense | i thought you had some new info straight off the press |
| 06:10.56 | newsense | fail |
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| 06:11.07 | pallu | hello all of you |
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| 06:11.17 | pallu | how can i get my ipod to work on debian? |
| 06:11.50 | fidin | rhythmbox |
| 06:11.50 | rumpsy | pallu: install gtkpod |
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| 06:12.21 | rumpsy | pallu: you can try gtkpod, apt it .. :) |
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| 06:13.33 | fidin | rvalles well 'foo' already resolves by all my computers, it's just the subdomain 'bar.foo' that doesnt resolve even tho i have both 'foo' and 'bar.foo' in my /etc/hosts |
| 06:14.07 | rvalles | you need to either have it in all your /etc/hosts |
| 06:14.15 | rvalles | or make the dns server aware of the local domain |
| 06:14.40 | pallu | well i connected the ipod to the windows computer it told me it has to format it and it did and now i cant view or mount or nothing on the debian computer |
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| 06:15.28 | rvalles | pallu: gotta love Windows™ |
| 06:15.35 | fidin | even the hosts file in windows |
| 06:15.56 | pallu | so is there any way that i can fix this? |
| 06:16.07 | rvalles | fidin: manually placing it in all hosts files is the ugly way anyways |
| 06:16.12 | rvalles | what you want is a proper nameserver |
| 06:16.14 | rvalles | or rather, 2 |
| 06:16.33 | rvalles | one DNS and another 'NMB' (samba nameserver) |
| 06:16.39 | fidin | dnsmasq? |
| 06:16.51 | rvalles | dnsmasq is supposed to work, yes |
| 06:17.01 | rvalles | I believe that's what ddwrt uses |
| 06:17.19 | fidin | so is /etc/hosts really not supposed to be used |
| 06:17.20 | rvalles | has a wrt610n as router and 2x APs |
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| 06:17.29 | fidin | except as a last resort |
| 06:17.37 | rvalles | yup |
| 06:17.52 | rvalles | just temporarily |
| 06:18.05 | rvalles | nameserver's the way to go. |
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| 06:20.42 | fidin | is dnsmasq a nameserver technically? |
| 06:20.50 | fidin | or only named |
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| 06:21.11 | fidin | it says it's a 'dns forwarder and dhcp server' |
| 06:21.39 | jmarsden | fidin: So it is a "forwarding only nameserver", if you want to think of it that way... does that help? |
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| 06:22.12 | fidin | yeah thanks |
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| 06:25.58 | HideMe2 | I have a domain with sub domain and both have their own config. I want the site (www.mysite.com) to be accessed both with and without the 'www.' prefix. But it seems the sub domain (sub.mysite.com) is picking up anything mysite.com Any idea what I did wrong? |
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| 06:33.24 | nkuttler | HideMe2: the vhost config? try #httpd |
| 06:33.25 | mischief | HideMe2, yes, your default vhost is incorrectly configured |
| 06:33.59 | mischief | HideMe2, try 'apache2ctl -S' |
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| 06:41.42 | intx | will a 2.4 kernel work on lenny? |
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| 07:29.42 | n-iCe | hi |
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| 07:36.57 | brutus | Hi, I have a Vista-Jaunty dual boot, but I cannot load Vista from GRUB- "BOOTMGR is missing, Ctrl-Alt-Del to restart"...how do I fix this? |
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| 07:39.48 | fidin | didn't know people still did dual boots |
| 07:40.25 | tensorpudding | gotta have your debian and your windows 7 |
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| 07:42.16 | __class__ | brutus: #grub #ubuntu #windows |
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| 07:48.46 | __class__ | any ideas about that movie editng? |
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| 08:15.46 | xxtjaxx | Hidiho Anyone know if therew is work on the currently broken packages of kde-full? |
| 08:15.51 | xxtjaxx | its broken in sid? |
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| 08:17.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | xxtjaxx: tried the pts/bts? |
| 08:18.48 | xxtjaxx | hm?# |
| 08:19.54 | xxtjaxx | Oh yeah that |
| 08:20.01 | xxtjaxx | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.03 | Kamping_Kaiser | if you just want current status, links off http://packages.qa.debian.org/m/meta-kde.html will help. if you have a specific question, the reply might be different |
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| 08:23.27 | xxtjaxx | Kamping_Kaiser: hmm there seem to be patches |
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| 08:23.57 | Kamping_Kaiser | xxtjaxx: they may be appied in the RCS, so you should look there too :) |
| 08:24.08 | xxtjaxx | but any are in regard of this bug I found |
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| 08:24.37 | Kamping_Kaiser | hm? |
| 08:24.50 | xxtjaxx | Kamping_Kaiser: it seems like they still have them as a todo not athat they changed anything |
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| 08:25.25 | Kamping_Kaiser | xxtjaxx: thats possible. I think #debian-kde exists on oftc, perhaps you can follow up there |
| 08:26.08 | xxtjaxx | Kamping_Kaiser: well when I add sid to my sources list from ftp.de.debian.org and say apt.get install kde-full it says broken package |
| 08:26.10 | xxtjaxx | :>/ |
| 08:27.30 | Kamping_Kaiser | xxtjaxx: why are you adding sid to your sources.list? |
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| 08:29.28 | xxtjaxx | Kamping_Kaiser: because I want to upgrade to sid from my lenny that I installed freshly since the last instance was killed by a power outage and a dying powersupply :'-( |
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| 08:30.21 | xxtjaxx | Kamping_Kaiser: also I want to get back on track working on my development stuff fro kde and for debian as I am deeply in love with both |
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| 08:31.32 | Kamping_Kaiser | xxtjaxx: same channel is the best place to start asking for how to contribute. if there is a kde packaging team, go talk to them too :) |
| 08:31.51 | sync | How-to using round robin gateway on single interface ? |
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| 08:46.33 | flourish | hi all, i find an interesting program in iphone. And maybe someone already know it. I wonder if there is such a program in debian system:-) |
| 08:46.36 | flourish | http://player.youku.com/player.php/sid/35166315/v.swf |
| 08:48.29 | ethanol | smells like a trick |
| 08:48.34 | ethanol | swf != program |
| 08:48.52 | flourish | it is a video |
| 08:48.58 | xxtjaxx | flourish I do not have an swf enabled browser right now but would you be so kind and tell me what its about? |
| 08:48.59 | flourish | show what the program looks like |
| 08:49.17 | flourish | i got the name mosatsu |
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| 08:50.26 | xxtjaxx | flourish: what does it do? |
| 08:50.35 | ethanol | googling for motsatsu I mostly get pictures which shown girls underwear on various torn parts of the pictures |
| 08:50.38 | ethanol | :< |
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| 08:50.45 | xxtjaxx | lol |
| 08:50.49 | ethanol | mosatsu* even |
| 08:52.02 | ethanol | they are peculiar |
| 08:52.04 | ethanol | searches more |
| 08:52.52 | flourish | :-) |
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| 08:56.57 | oldmankdude | hey guys, really quick question. i'm getting " â "s in my terminal instead of " ' "s or " ` "s... anyone ever see that before/know of a fix? |
| 08:57.50 | ethanol | wrong character encoding? |
| 08:58.36 | oldmankdude | let me check here |
| 08:59.48 | jpinx-eeepc | why can I not get a newuser to be able to login by gdm when I boot my lenny install? I do useradd -m newuser but gdm does not seem to like it. Any ideas please? |
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| 09:00.57 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:02.40 | greenmang0 | jpinx-eeepc: useradd -m foobar -s /bin/bash |
| 09:04.22 | jpinx-eeepc | greenmang0: did that - it's not allowing foobar to login |
| 09:04.41 | jpinx-eeepc | adb: adduser is not the same? |
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| 09:05.20 | simonrvn | dude, adduser foobar |
| 09:05.40 | greenmang0 | jpinx-eeepc: adduser is debian specific.. AFAIK |
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| 09:06.00 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: no options? |
| 09:06.03 | oldmankdude | ethanol: got it, my .zshrc was setting one of the locale variables |
| 09:06.08 | oldmankdude | which was messing it up |
| 09:06.10 | oldmankdude | thanks :) |
| 09:06.18 | simonrvn | yes, the one in debian is. other distros have one too, and debian's doesn't suck ;). |
| 09:06.54 | simonrvn | jpinx-eeepc: it's called a manual page, and you type man yourCommandHere or try --help :P. |
| 09:06.56 | ethanol | oldmankdude: no need, I barely helped :> |
| 09:07.11 | oldmankdude | hey, it was just enough! |
| 09:07.30 | simonrvn | pokes jpinx-eeepc |
| 09:07.35 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: happy xmas :p |
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| 09:07.46 | simonrvn | gah |
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| 09:08.02 | simonrvn | happy holidays, solstice, whatever ;) |
| 09:08.08 | jpinx-eeepc | been reading man pages and adduser/useradd are just damn confusing |
| 09:08.25 | simonrvn | adduser --help ; easy peasy |
| 09:08.58 | simonrvn | (i know it's confusing, but just take a bit in at a time) |
| 09:09.35 | jpinx-eeepc | it's been a day already |
| 09:10.02 | jpinx-eeepc | adduser doesn't appear to add the homedir automatically |
| 09:10.07 | simonrvn | wayttd jpinx-eeepc ? |
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| 09:10.27 | simonrvn | um, it does. adds stuff in /etc/skel too |
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| 09:10.50 | simonrvn | unless you're passing --no-create-home (or whatever it is) to it |
| 09:11.06 | jpinx-eeepc | add a user who will have a shell, a /home/foobar dir and able to login via gdm at boot-time |
| 09:11.20 | simonrvn | defaults work fine |
| 09:11.50 | simonrvn | adds a non-system user, creates/copies stuff, asks for passwd, etc. |
| 09:12.07 | jpinx-eeepc | apparently not - looks like I will have to specify everything individually. /etc/skel doesn't exist |
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| 09:13.11 | simonrvn | is this on the eeepc? (i guess so) |
| 09:13.17 | jpinx-eeepc | yep |
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| 09:13.43 | simonrvn | i blame the previous os for that |
| 09:13.57 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf? |
| 09:14.24 | simonrvn | didn't that thing have xandros on it before? |
| 09:14.43 | jpinx-eeepc | it was totally wiped and aclean install of lenny put on it |
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| 09:14.51 | simonrvn | well anyway, /etc/skel is in base-files |
| 09:14.56 | simonrvn | ah ok |
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| 09:17.05 | simonrvn | i iamgine you're checking out if they're installed properly, etc. (adduser, base-files), aren't you? *hint hint* |
| 09:18.10 | simonrvn | jpinx-eeepc: ^^^ |
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| 09:22.18 | __class__ | Any recommendations for a method/(suite of) application(s) for editing mpg on a frame-by-frame basis? I need to get color values for specific pixels |
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| 09:23.17 | simonrvn | how about using gcolor2 to grab the colour of those pixels, of a view of the frame you want? |
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| 09:31.34 | jelly | __class__: do you need to edit the video, or really just get color values? |
| 09:31.46 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: got it now thanks. It's a new user so that I can delete all the info of the original user and sell the computer without giving away all my passwords etc ;) |
| 09:32.10 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 09:32.26 | jelly | mplayer can do snapshots, and I guess it's comparatively easy to get pixels from a picture. |
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| 09:32.56 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: have you zeroed all the empty space on the filesystems? :-) |
| 09:33.13 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: do you reckon I need to do more than deluser and manually clear the original /home/dir ? |
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| 09:33.32 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly: I'm not that paranoid ;) |
| 09:33.41 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: and wipe the backup shadow-? |
| 09:33.52 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly unless there's an easy way to do that? |
| 09:34.02 | simonrvn | deluser will do that by default (last i checked, though i think it got changed, check the configs) |
| 09:34.43 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: one just uses dd to fill the filesystem with an all-zeroes file. |
| 09:34.45 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: ok -- it's churning a rm -R on some other stuff atm - this is a separate box I'm on here |
| 09:35.16 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: then sync and rm that file |
| 09:35.25 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly: removing backup shadow? what exactly is that? |
| 09:35.35 | simonrvn | 'shadow-' |
| 09:35.39 | jelly | jpinx-eeepc: ls -l /etc/shadow* |
| 09:35.42 | simonrvn | look in /etc |
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| 09:35.57 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - I'll take alook when I can get on agai ... |
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| 09:37.23 | simonrvn | np: redbone - wovoka |
| 09:38.36 | __class__ | jelly: more just get values than actually edit |
| 09:39.23 | __class__ | jelly: I get your idea with getting specific frames into an image format with mplayer but it would be nice if I had something more suited to the specific task, ie.. an actual editor that can do the same function |
| 09:39.26 | simonrvn | 04:23:16 simonrvn | how about using gcolor2 to grab the colour of those pixels, of a view of the frame you want? |
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| 09:40.16 | gunkamanti_ | hi, has anybody else tried to install the google chrome .deb package, and received an "lzma: Decoder error" (dpkg) ? |
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| 09:41.00 | DomeDan | gunkamanti_ i downloaded it from a google site and i didnt get no error there |
| 09:41.02 | simonrvn | you trying to install that on lenny? |
| 09:42.07 | jpinx-eeepc | got the chrome browser to install on lenny without hiccup - so it can't be that hard ;) |
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| 09:42.58 | simonrvn | gunkamanti_: rm the file and re-download. i guess lenny's dpkg supports lzma too ;). |
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| 09:50.24 | jpinx-eeepc | how to delete roots shell history? |
| 09:50.46 | simonrvn | echo > thatfile ? |
| 09:50.58 | krion | rm /root/.bash_history |
| 09:51.25 | jpinx-eeepc | krion: ah - *that's* where it was hiding - thanks |
| 09:51.27 | simonrvn | with echo you'll get a 1 byte file with rm you'll get no file ;p |
| 09:51.31 | ethanol | how can I have a user specific email alias? should that go in ~/.forward or something? |
| 09:51.59 | jelly | ethanol: in general you can't. |
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| 09:52.01 | jpinx-eeepc | simonrvn: yea - I just could not find the file ;) |
| 09:52.49 | Supaplex | ethanol: depends on the MDA |
| 09:52.53 | jelly | ethanol: the namespace for valid email addresses (including aliases) is one for the whole machine, how would you stop the users from stealing each other address? |
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| 09:54.21 | jelly | ethanol: however, some MTAs allow for users with email username@example.com to also receive mail for username+anything@example.com or username-anything@example.com |
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| 09:55.47 | Supaplex | it's a pity too many online forms reject foo+anything though |
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| 09:57.05 | jpinx-eeepc | jelly: thanks for the shadow- tip - got that cleaned up now too ;) |
| 09:57.17 | ethanol | jelly: no I mean, if I have mail deliverd to local user named 'rob', I want 'rob' to be able to forward his mail to whatever@domain.org |
| 09:57.25 | QAH | Hello everyone! |
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| 09:57.51 | jelly | ethanol: Oh. That's not an alias then, that's a forward. And yes, .forward, if that feature is enabled, should work. |
| 09:57.58 | ethanol | jelly: so he can have messages sent to his home email address, rather than having to logon to the machine all the time |
| 09:58.16 | ethanol | jelly: yeah I was confused if it would be an alias or forward |
| 09:58.18 | ethanol | thanks |
| 09:58.32 | Zell | hi |
| 09:58.52 | QAH | I am currently making a linux system from source. I compiled the kernel and made the initrd, etc. I really love apt and I just wanted to know if it is possible to get the source code to apt and can it be used on non debian systems? |
| 09:59.10 | ethanol | jelly: can't find anything on the syntax for a .forward file though |
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| 09:59.27 | Zell | i've this error "hdb: drive not ready for command" and my debian don't boot |
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| 10:03.01 | jelly | ethanol: which MTA are you using? |
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| 10:04.59 | nsadmin | Zell: worst case: dead drive. you sure the drive is powered up? |
| 10:05.22 | QAH | Can apt be compiled and run on non-debian linuxes? |
| 10:05.24 | jelly | ethanol: the two things I remember about .forward is, \username forwards mail to a local user, and an email address forwards to that address. Put each on its own line. |
| 10:05.26 | ethanol | jelly: differs. most systems have exim4 (default), but my mailserver uses postfix/dovecot |
| 10:05.30 | ethanol | jelly: but it's working :) |
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| 10:05.39 | ethanol | I put simply only email in .forward |
| 10:05.43 | ethanol | and it forwarded |
| 10:05.43 | krion | dovecot rocks |
| 10:05.52 | nsadmin | QAH: someone used apt-get to serve up .rpms |
| 10:05.53 | ethanol | yeah it's quite nice |
| 10:05.54 | nsadmin | so... |
| 10:05.55 | nsadmin | yeah |
| 10:05.59 | ethanol | quick question though |
| 10:05.59 | Zell | nsadmin the hard disk? or others drive? |
| 10:06.01 | ethanol | postfix/smtpd[19431]: warning: database /etc/aliases.db is older than source file /etc/aliases |
| 10:06.07 | ethanol | would running 'newaliases' fix that? |
| 10:06.13 | jelly | ethanol: eh, why not use one MTA everywhere |
| 10:06.18 | QAH | nsadmin: Where can I get apt's source? |
| 10:06.19 | krion | if you're using as a LDA you got pretty nice plugin like dspam, vacation and other stuff |
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| 10:06.30 | nsadmin | try: apt-get source apt |
| 10:06.37 | QAH | Ahh ok. Thanks |
| 10:06.44 | jelly | ethanol: [newaliases] yes, if postfix is configured that way |
| 10:06.44 | nsadmin | but you'll need the libs too |
| 10:06.51 | ethanol | jelly: well my mailserver depends on postfix. but I don't feel like installing postfix on all other servers. it's easier to just quickly set exim to use the internal ip of the mailserver as smarthost |
| 10:06.55 | nsadmin | Zell: what's hdb? |
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| 10:07.07 | QAH | nsadmin: How can I find out the needed libs? |
| 10:07.14 | krion | i'm using ssmtp on my server it's nice for relay |
| 10:07.43 | Zell | nsadmin but it works perfectly... |
| 10:07.55 | jelly | ethanol: it's equally easy to set up postfix in a smarthost configuration. Use the one you're able to read mail logs for. :-) |
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| 10:07.58 | nsadmin | relay is a -very- dirty word when it comes to MTAs |
| 10:08.07 | ethanol | krion: I use dovecot mostly in combination with amavis (clam-av and spamassassin) |
| 10:08.15 | nsadmin | Zell: what's hdb? |
| 10:08.29 | ethanol | jelly: I barely read my mail logs :< |
| 10:08.43 | ethanol | jelly: I only parse the ones on my mailserver with munin, for some basic graphical statistics |
| 10:08.55 | nsadmin | ethanol: time to read them, I would assume... |
| 10:09.05 | ethanol | why bother? |
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| 10:09.21 | jelly | ethanol: I mean when things go wrong. |
| 10:09.25 | nsadmin | for one thing... to see if you're runnign an open relay |
| 10:09.29 | ethanol | jelly: ah |
| 10:09.33 | Zell | nsadmin the hard disk i think |
| 10:09.44 | ethanol | nsadmin: no I pretty much made sure of that :> |
| 10:10.01 | ethanol | nsadmin: only relaying from local machines is allowed |
| 10:10.04 | nsadmin | you made sure you -are- running an open relay??\ |
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| 10:10.08 | ethanol | nsadmin: or from logged in users |
| 10:10.18 | ethanol | as in, authenticated |
| 10:10.19 | nsadmin | oh, so it's not so open |
| 10:10.20 | ethanol | nothing else |
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| 10:10.23 | ethanol | no, not open |
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| 10:11.37 | nsadmin | wheres gaoland? |
| 10:13.06 | nsadmin | Zell: you need to be absolutely sure of which is what... but if we assume hdb is the drive that contains /, then something's wrong |
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| 10:14.02 | __class__ | Any recommendations for a method/(suite of) application(s) for editing mpg on a frame-by-frame basis? I need to get color values for specific pixels |
| 10:14.02 | nsadmin | if it's not the worst case, then maybe the drivers aren't the right ones for the device, or there aren't drivers for it in your kernel |
| 10:15.06 | Zell | nsadmin hum ok... i go to see what is hdb |
| 10:15.15 | adb | nsadmin, whois gaoland.net |
| 10:15.33 | Supaplex | __class__: I hear avidemux can do stuff like that |
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| 10:17.25 | __class__ | Supaplex: thanks a lot i'll check it out |
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| 10:20.12 | hisam | looking for help |
| 10:20.17 | hisam | anybody here?? |
| 10:20.28 | TopoMorto | ask hisam :) |
| 10:20.49 | hisam | no sound on my debian lenny |
| 10:20.50 | hisam | :( |
| 10:21.07 | nsadmin | speakers powered? |
| 10:21.17 | hisam | its a laptop |
| 10:21.22 | TopoMorto | what says dmesg about your audio driver? |
| 10:21.56 | nsadmin | does alsamixer work, or fail due to no such device? |
| 10:22.37 | nsadmin | have you ever used this linux on this laptop to make sound? |
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| 10:23.49 | hisam | alsamixer doesn work |
| 10:23.58 | nsadmin | what reason? |
| 10:24.09 | hisam | doesn open at all |
| 10:24.16 | __class__ | what happens when you try? |
| 10:24.29 | __class__ | don't tell me you're running it from the alt+f2 box.. |
| 10:24.34 | __class__ | it's a command-line interface app |
| 10:24.38 | __class__ | must be run from a terminal |
| 10:25.05 | nsadmin | alt-f2 is a terminal |
| 10:25.08 | hisam | yaaa |
| 10:25.12 | __class__ | false |
| 10:25.25 | __class__ | alt-f2 is a gui application launcher |
| 10:25.34 | hisam | runnin it 4m an x-term |
| 10:25.40 | hisam | jus got it |
| 10:25.42 | __class__ | ok |
| 10:25.43 | __class__ | so it works? |
| 10:25.48 | hisam | yaa |
| 10:25.50 | __class__ | k |
| 10:26.25 | hisam | nw what?? |
| 10:26.32 | __class__ | should be obvious |
| 10:26.43 | __class__ | press left/right/up/down/tab/m and such |
| 10:26.48 | hisam | ya did |
| 10:26.48 | __class__ | then escape when you're done |
| 10:26.49 | nsadmin | so far communication is not obvious |
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| 10:27.02 | hisam | made all to maximum |
| 10:27.10 | nsadmin | and unmuted? |
| 10:27.17 | __class__ | jelly: I tried avidemux and kino but neither support ogv files.. any idea of something that does? Anyone? |
| 10:27.42 | __class__ | OGV editor? |
| 10:27.47 | hisam | no option to unmute |
| 10:27.56 | __class__ | M |
| 10:27.58 | nsadmin | do you see MM at the bottom? |
| 10:28.31 | hisam | ya i do |
| 10:28.57 | nsadmin | try pressing m |
| 10:28.57 | nsadmin | does the MM change when you do? |
| 10:28.57 | jelly | press m on that column |
| 10:29.07 | hisam | ya it changfes to 00 |
| 10:29.44 | nsadmin | ok, that's the mute control |
| 10:29.44 | nsadmin | notice you have more than one column |
| 10:29.44 | hisam | sooo 00 means muted |
| 10:29.44 | hisam | rite?? |
| 10:29.44 | nsadmin | no MM does |
| 10:29.44 | hisam | ohhh kk |
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| 10:30.19 | hisam | changed it to 00 |
| 10:30.42 | hisam | ya thers more than one column nsadmin |
| 10:30.43 | jelly | and now try incresing it from 00 to something louder |
| 10:30.46 | nsadmin | so anyway, not much detail, but you seem to be running alsa driver, and at the very least your mixer works |
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| 10:31.31 | jelly | hisam: make sure columns Master, Front and PCM are all unmuted and not lowered to 0 |
| 10:31.47 | nsadmin | if you look near the top center it shows either what driver or what device |
| 10:31.55 | hisam | no option to unmute pcm and digital |
| 10:32.10 | nsadmin | what happens when you try? |
| 10:32.27 | hisam | nothing happens |
| 10:32.36 | nsadmin | you have to select those columns using the right/left arrow keys |
| 10:32.39 | jelly | hisam: use F3 to view only the playback tunables, F4 for recording ones, F5 to see all (the default) |
| 10:33.03 | hisam | kk |
| 10:33.58 | hisam | yaa still no option to unmute pcm |
| 10:33.58 | nsadmin | this is probably ok for now... but, since you're not being detailed about exactly what you're hitting you'll have to figure out how things work |
| 10:34.10 | hisam | hmmmmmmmm kk |
| 10:34.14 | nsadmin | and pcm is muted? |
| 10:34.28 | hisam | doesn show anything |
| 10:34.34 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 10:34.43 | hisam | don have dat space for mm |
| 10:34.54 | nsadmin | can you select the pcm column using the right and left arrows? |
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| 10:35.03 | hisam | ya i can |
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| 10:35.36 | hisam | and i can use up and down arrow to increase and decrease volume on pcm |
| 10:35.43 | nsadmin | when you have it selected, it doesn't show a full column? |
| 10:35.51 | hisam | but no mm being shown |
| 10:35.59 | hisam | it does show |
| 10:36.01 | nsadmin | ok, try hitting m a few times |
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| 10:36.27 | nsadmin | what happens when you do that? |
| 10:36.31 | hisam | i did |
| 10:36.34 | hisam | noo use |
| 10:36.42 | nsadmin | display did not change? |
| 10:36.43 | hisam | wen i hit 0 |
| 10:36.55 | hisam | the volume comes to 0 |
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| 10:37.08 | hisam | no it din changee |
| 10:37.15 | nsadmin | looks like it is unmuted, and can't be muted |
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| 10:37.27 | nsadmin | ok, so what about master? |
| 10:37.41 | hisam | master is ok |
| 10:37.41 | nsadmin | also, what is it you're trying to hear? |
| 10:37.54 | nsadmin | not muted, and vol raised some? |
| 10:38.03 | hisam | yaaa |
| 10:38.13 | nsadmin | what was the other one, master, pcm, and... |
| 10:38.14 | nsadmin | front |
| 10:38.16 | __class__ | Does anyone know how to record a desktop video that will output in a format supported by a known editor? (istanbul and gtk-recordmydesktop both output ogv and neither kino nor avidemux support ogv.. best would be a '.dv' for kino, but mpg/avi would probably be acceptable[for avidemux]) |
| 10:38.19 | nsadmin | is there a front? |
| 10:39.00 | nsadmin | hisam also, has sound ever worked on this laptop? |
| 10:39.03 | hisam | no frongt |
| 10:39.11 | hisam | nooo |
| 10:39.16 | hisam | on windows it does |
| 10:39.25 | nsadmin | ok, but never under linux? |
| 10:39.34 | hisam | nooo |
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| 10:39.46 | nsadmin | ok, and what are you right now trying to hear? |
| 10:39.55 | hisam | songbird |
| 10:39.57 | hisam | mp3 |
| 10:40.18 | nsadmin | and songbird is a player? |
| 10:40.35 | hisam | yaaa |
| 10:40.36 | __class__ | hisam: you might want to try `sudo alsaconf` |
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| 10:40.57 | __class__ | and see if everything goes without error |
| 10:41.14 | nsadmin | ok, get out of alsamixer (hit ESC) |
| 10:41.30 | nsadmin | then type: cat /proc/sound/cards |
| 10:41.34 | nsadmin | err no |
| 10:41.38 | nsadmin | then type: cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 10:41.43 | hisam | kkk |
| 10:41.45 | nsadmin | note the a before sound |
| 10:42.01 | nsadmin | you should at least have a card 0 |
| 10:43.56 | nsadmin | allllllllllll |
| 10:43.59 | nsadmin | rightey then |
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| 10:44.19 | hisam | running alsaconf |
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| 10:45.19 | hisam | can u pls repeat that command |
| 10:45.24 | __class__ | sudo alsaconf |
| 10:45.30 | hisam | no not that |
| 10:45.44 | nsadmin | you're done with alsaconf? |
| 10:45.44 | __class__ | cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 10:45.45 | hisam | cat....... |
| 10:45.50 | hisam | yaa |
| 10:45.53 | hisam | done wit dat |
| 10:45.58 | nsadmin | oh ok |
| 10:46.01 | nsadmin | that went ok? |
| 10:46.18 | hisam | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.37 | nsadmin | did you get the sense that it found only one card? or more than one? |
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| 10:47.00 | hisam | it found two |
| 10:47.05 | hisam | i selected one |
| 10:47.20 | nsadmin | oh ok, which is that, that it selected? |
| 10:47.28 | nsadmin | or that you selected |
| 10:47.29 | hisam | intel............... |
| 10:47.40 | nsadmin | ok, is it an hda? |
| 10:47.49 | hisam | i guess its |
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| 10:48.11 | nsadmin | are you connected here from this laptop? |
| 10:48.29 | hisam | yaa |
| 10:48.43 | nsadmin | __class__: what do you want to see? |
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| 10:50.05 | hisam | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.06 | hisam | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.17 | hisam | that command gives dis |
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| 10:54.07 | hisam | sooo?? |
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| 10:56.39 | hisam | anyother things to check ?? |
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| 10:58.16 | Scurz | hisam: what's your problem ? |
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| 10:59.07 | Scurz | hmm, I see you have no sound on your lap ? |
| 10:59.16 | hisam | yaaa |
| 10:59.18 | hisam | :( |
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| 11:00.04 | Scurz | did you take a look at google? |
| 11:00.13 | hisam | hmmmmmmmm yaa |
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| 11:00.22 | hisam | tried most f d things |
| 11:00.51 | sortremord | hey, can I install debian using unetbootin/fusbi? |
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| 11:01.10 | Scurz | hisam: first, check if your sound is not muted and if it's up |
| 11:01.32 | hisam | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:01.41 | hisam | using alsamixer |
| 11:01.42 | sortremord | I tried it once and it did not work since I got an error message telling me the CD could not be found, but it was naturally a USB installation |
| 11:01.54 | Scurz | hisam: second, if your problem is not fixed, check if your sound card is recognized (lspci | grep audio) |
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| 11:02.35 | Scurz | hisam: and, check if you have the needed packages for sound |
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| 11:02.44 | hisam | nooo output on dat scurz |
| 11:02.58 | DomeDan | !tell sortemord -about usb install |
| 11:03.01 | henkpoley | Yay, what would that keylogger do.. hmm... |
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| 11:03.08 | Scurz | hisam: what's the output for lspci | grep audio ? |
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| 11:03.15 | hisam | what are the needed packages for sound ?? |
| 11:03.18 | hisam | it shows nothing |
| 11:03.23 | Scurz | oh, strange |
| 11:03.26 | hisam | the next shell cums |
| 11:03.27 | nsadmin | !ops `zkP|l3Vr dcc sploit (addr i=VGXiH7yc@115.128.42.162) |
| 11:03.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel, themill: nsadmin complains about: `zkP|l3Vr dcc sploit (addr i=VGXiH7yc@115.128.42.162) |
| 11:03.34 | Scurz | it should show you your card |
| 11:03.36 | sortremord | DomeDan, nothing appeared D: |
| 11:03.57 | DomeDan | sortemord: ok :P lets try this |
| 11:04.00 | DomeDan | !usb install |
| 11:04.01 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
| 11:04.06 | reto` | does anyone know how I can prevent dhcp from adding a default route via interfaces file? |
| 11:04.13 | hisam | cat /proc/asound/cards this shows my card scurz |
| 11:04.24 | sortremord | thanks DomeDan |
| 11:04.34 | nsadmin | reto`: configure the server to do so |
| 11:04.40 | DomeDan | sortemord: np :) hope it helps you |
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| 11:04.59 | Scurz | hisam: take a look at http://wiki.xtronics.com/index.php/Debian_Sound (found with Google) |
| 11:05.03 | nsadmin | reto`: btw, no default route means no getting to the internet |
| 11:05.15 | oggei | reto`: man dhclient.conf, you can disable routers |
| 11:05.21 | hisam | kkk scurz |
| 11:05.33 | reto` | nsadmin: no... it's an extra interface and it should have no default route for that |
| 11:06.09 | nsadmin | so why not configure that machine static? |
| 11:06.37 | reto` | nsadmin: because it's a laptop |
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| 11:07.13 | sortremord | DomeDan, what about unetbootin and fusbi? |
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| 11:07.27 | reto` | the extra interface should get it's ip via dhcp but not set a default route... is that possible in interfaces? |
| 11:07.27 | nsadmin | so this laptop has two connections? |
| 11:07.46 | nsadmin | not in interfaces. see oggei's comment |
| 11:08.22 | nsadmin | why is it "extra"> |
| 11:08.25 | nsadmin | ? |
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| 11:09.01 | reto` | it's debian on lenny and I need a winpcap interface to be able to connect nfs shares on the local network |
| 11:09.12 | reto` | eh |
| 11:09.21 | reto` | sry... lenny on colinux |
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| 11:09.48 | reto` | oh wait... maybe I can make it static... yes... I just need the extra interface here |
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| 11:10.21 | nsadmin | not sure I understand, and I'm curious... |
| 11:10.51 | linhis | how to disable a linux command?? |
| 11:11.10 | linhis | say i want to disable halt |
| 11:11.21 | __class__ | it's a bad idea |
| 11:11.23 | __class__ | but move the file |
| 11:11.27 | __class__ | do `which halt` |
| 11:11.42 | DomeDan | sortemord: havent used unetbooring, only once i think, it should work. but when it says that the cd is not found, it didnt found the ISO file. (it should be named .ISO) on the usb-stick |
| 11:11.46 | __class__ | as root |
| 11:12.01 | __class__ | and then mv /sbin/halt /sbin/halt~ |
| 11:12.07 | __class__ | but i don't recommend it |
| 11:12.18 | nsadmin | reto when you say NFS, I think of the Sun RPC-based remote dir mounting... that your understanding too? |
| 11:12.20 | linhis | how to get it back |
| 11:12.22 | linhis | ?? |
| 11:13.13 | nsadmin | switch the args to mv |
| 11:13.18 | __class__ | linhis: then mv /sbin/halt~ /sbin/halt |
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| 11:14.42 | nkd | hi all. does anybody know which ip hping will set if i use two flags at the same time: --rand-source for random ip and --spoof <ip> for a specific one? |
| 11:14.59 | thrashold | Is there a way to find the unix socket something is listening on? lsof lists: portmap 7316 daemon 4u unix 0xffff8801ce8113c0 0t0 83190 socket |
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| 11:15.14 | linhis | ohh kkk |
| 11:15.25 | linhis | so u hv to move the file somewhere else |
| 11:15.30 | linhis | to make it stop working |
| 11:15.35 | nsadmin | and that's not really disabling it |
| 11:15.41 | linhis | and bring it back there to get it back working' |
| 11:15.49 | nsadmin | you can run it in the "somewhere else" place still |
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| 11:16.19 | linhis | but simply 'halt' wont work |
| 11:16.21 | linhis | rite?? |
| 11:16.59 | nsadmin | specifically you're not disabling the ability to halt (say, by using shutdown -h <put when to shutdown here> |
| 11:17.03 | nsadmin | ) |
| 11:17.18 | nsadmin | correct, and it would only work as root anyway |
| 11:17.38 | linhis | hmmmm ya |
| 11:17.40 | linhis | thanks |
| 11:17.41 | linhis | :) |
| 11:17.48 | nsadmin | the way debian is set up root can find it as just halt |
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| 11:18.25 | nsadmin | other users would have to put the full path (/sbin/halt) and it wouldn't work for them anyway |
| 11:19.10 | linhis | soo u r telling me that even if i move /sbin/halt somewhere, the commnd 'halt' will still work?? |
| 11:19.20 | xingu | thrashold: tried netsat -anp ? |
| 11:19.44 | nsadmin | if you change the name of halt file/command, they won't be able to type halt |
| 11:20.05 | nsadmin | like let's say you do mv /sbin/halt /sbin/halt~ |
| 11:20.06 | thrashold | xingu: It just lists: unix 2 [ ] DGRAM 91905 7544/portmap |
| 11:20.21 | xingu | thrashold: it's probable that the socket's been unlinked in that case |
| 11:20.23 | nsadmin | then, root can do halt~ |
| 11:20.44 | trochej | nsadmin: Incoreedt: nothing stops me from typing halt. But since there is no binary halt in my path, it won't execute. |
| 11:20.44 | nsadmin | but not halt, since by that name, the file does not exist |
| 11:21.01 | linhis | but u din change the file name |
| 11:21.06 | trochej | he did |
| 11:21.07 | linhis | its still halt there |
| 11:21.17 | trochej | it is halt tilde now |
| 11:21.22 | linhis | mv /sbin/halt /sbin /halt |
| 11:21.25 | thrashold | Hm, strace lists this: connect(4, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/log"}, 110 |
| 11:21.28 | linhis | i saw that |
| 11:21.33 | nsadmin | that won't work |
| 11:21.34 | xingu | thrashold: 91905 is the inode it used to be |
| 11:21.44 | reto` | nsadmin: ok it worked... I have a slirp interface to access the internet, tuntap to communicate with the cygwin X server and now another interface to access the local network via winpcap (which enables me to do nfs) |
| 11:22.14 | linhis | kkk |
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| 11:22.37 | nsadmin | I remember slirp, but I forgot what it does (we used to use slip accts) |
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| 11:22.41 | xingu | it's a pity you can't use ln to link to arbitrary inode numbers any more :) |
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| 11:23.45 | thrashold | I guess it would mean that portmap isn't listening on any unix socket... Thanks :) |
| 11:24.16 | nsadmin | portmap doesn't listen on a unix socket... it listens on an internet-domain socket |
| 11:24.43 | xingu | thrashold: well, not one that anyone else can connect to at least |
| 11:25.01 | thrashold | Yeah, my rpc.statd fails to start, and I was looking at the trace. I saw it trying to connect /var/run/rpcbind.sock, and that was why I was looking for this |
| 11:25.20 | thrashold | But apparently the problem is that it can't connect to [::1]:110 (where portmap is listening) |
| 11:25.22 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone know if it's possible to get music off an ipod in lenny? |
| 11:25.23 | nsadmin | oh, hmm, maybe it does :) |
| 11:25.53 | nsadmin | is that localhost:110? |
| 11:25.57 | thrashold | Ah, no, that's my problem. Thanks guys, I found what it is, now let's see how to fix it |
| 11:25.58 | xingu | nsadmin: nfs kernel server is a screwball layering violation. :) |
| 11:26.21 | nsadmin | it probably always has been too :) |
| 11:26.32 | thrashold | nsadmin: apparently portmap listens on IPv4 only (maybe because localhost is just 127.0.0.1), while rpc.statd tries to connect only via IPv6 |
| 11:26.53 | nsadmin | hmm, that's weird |
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| 11:27.33 | nsadmin | I know, we'll submit an rfc which would disable ipv6 |
| 11:28.15 | nsadmin | with the only problem being then rpc.statd couldn't connect to anything... |
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| 11:28.26 | thrashold | Hm, no, portmap doesn't know about IPv6 on any machine of mine. rpc.statd though apparetnly likes it :) |
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| 11:29.17 | nsadmin | but do you have any ipv6 connections? |
| 11:29.56 | thrashold | No (not yet, I was planning to enable IPv6 in my network soon :) ) |
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| 11:33.43 | thrashold | Ah, I think this is the problem, which makes it try IPv6: bind(5, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(699), sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}, 16) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument) |
| 11:33.55 | nsadmin | so then rpc.statd is completely broken because it's trying to use something that doesn't even exist |
| 11:34.29 | nsadmin | you don't hAVe internet domain sockets in your kernel?? |
| 11:34.53 | nsadmin | that would be a rare problem |
| 11:35.24 | thrashold | That sounds impossible, nothing would work if that was the case, I believe :) |
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| 11:35.51 | nsadmin | right, since everything shoujld be using bsd sockets |
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| 11:37.11 | xingu | thrashold: has it lost setuid bit on the file? |
| 11:37.12 | nsadmin | read the man page for the bind call |
| 11:37.27 | nsadmin | see what it thinks EINVAL should mean |
| 11:39.03 | thrashold | xingu: It doesn't have a setuid bit, adding one didn't help (still EINVAL), and I believe this would be EACCES :) |
| 11:39.34 | SteveHH | moin @ all |
| 11:39.39 | thrashold | EINVAL The addrlen is wrong, or the socket was not in the AF_UNIX family. |
| 11:40.45 | nsadmin | so it -has- to be a unix domain socket |
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| 11:42.12 | thrashold | sa_family is AF_INET, so the socket is PF_INET |
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| 11:43.34 | nsadmin | as long as you're looking at strace output... you should get the source for rpc.statc |
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| 11:43.43 | nsadmin | statd |
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| 11:44.16 | thrashold | OK, I found the problem, it binds to port 0 (I don't know what this even means), then tries some random udp port (699, now 784), and fails with EINVAL (I missed this:EINVAL The socket is already bound to an address.) |
| 11:44.56 | amgarching | Hi, how do I find a mismatch between running and installed kernel, or rather if machine needs a reboot after updates? |
| 11:44.58 | thrashold | Is this worth reporting a bug? After I look at the statd source :) |
| 11:45.05 | nsadmin | maybe that EINVAL is coming from some call that rpc.statd calls, and forwards it |
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| 11:47.50 | xover | why is my Xorg.conf file empty - yet I have started X previously!? |
| 11:48.03 | xingu | thrashold: bind port 0 means random/ os-assigned. |
| 11:48.24 | nsadmin | late xorgs autodetect everything, config file not needed |
| 11:48.34 | nsadmin | or they try to |
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| 11:49.06 | xingu | thrashold: from the manpage, einval means socket already in use |
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| 11:51.34 | nsadmin | xover: but if you really want, you can ask X to provide a config file |
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| 11:53.24 | HaskellLove | Give me top 5 reasons why i should switch Ubuntu to Debian? from programmers point of view... |
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| 11:54.25 | nsadmin | ain't talkin no one into nuthin... |
| 11:54.28 | alcohol | ubuntu is more desktop oriented. |
| 11:54.33 | alcohol | in my opinion |
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| 11:55.06 | xNinja | alcohol yep i say that also :D |
| 11:55.10 | DomeDan | !why debian |
| 11:55.11 | dpkg | Debian strives to maintain your freedom whilst also paying close attention to the technical aspects of making a great OS. Debian is stable, upgradable and well tested. See also http://www.debian.org/intro/free http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ (archived at http://wiki.debian.org/WhyDebian). As an added bonus, you get to ask questions in #debian. |
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| 11:55.19 | nsadmin | HaskellLove install it and see if you like it |
| 11:55.28 | alcohol | I prefer debian on all my servers :> |
| 11:55.41 | xover | nsadmon where is the running config stalled mate? |
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| 11:55.47 | alcohol | but for a desktop I guess anything will do, but ubuntu is very desktop oriented |
| 11:56.03 | xNinja | i love debian as server and desktop but the hardware drivers in ubuntu is better for desktop as my newbie point of view :P |
| 11:56.12 | nsadmin | xover: you found it... it's blank. this is normal. |
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| 11:56.30 | nsadmin | but if you want one, |
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| 11:56.36 | nsadmin | there is a way |
| 11:57.08 | nsadmin | I think you can do Xorg -config |
| 11:57.10 | nsadmin | or somethign |
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| 11:58.16 | reto` | it's just that ubuntu other than LTS is kind of a hack... they try to support all the latest hardware while at the same time it should be stable... of course that cannot work very well |
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| 11:58.57 | xover | nsadmin: What I mean, is where does the in memory config reside? /sys? |
| 11:58.58 | nsadmin | I think you can do Xorg -configure |
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| 11:59.01 | nsadmin | that's it |
| 11:59.06 | DomeDan | !xorg config |
| 11:59.06 | dpkg | From Lenny onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken) or by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Squeeze, input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg config lenny> <xorg config squeeze>. |
| 11:59.07 | xover | OL |
| 11:59.10 | xover | ok |
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| 11:59.31 | nsadmin | you don't get a nonblank -file- unless you do that |
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| 12:00.06 | nsadmin | I can't give you the address in -ram- where it keepe it :) |
| 12:00.26 | nsadmin | it'll be different every time and different for each machine |
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| 12:06.20 | Stilllooking | how can i remove all of gnome i tried apt-get remove kde* now i have dependecie problems |
| 12:06.33 | Stilllooking | i mean kde .. |
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| 12:07.28 | DomeDan | Stilllooking: aptitude purge kde-desktop, does that do the trick? |
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| 12:07.43 | DomeDan | Stilllooking: or kde4-desktop |
| 12:07.57 | BleSS | how to know if the system running is debian? there is a file on /etc |
| 12:09.04 | Stereo | BleSS: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:09.22 | BleSS | Stereo: yes, thanks |
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| 12:12.02 | DomeDan | !tell Stilllooking -about remove kde |
| 12:12.23 | i5513 | hi people, |
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| 12:12.46 | i5513 | it is posible use pbuilder to build a ia64 package from an amd64 pbuilder server ? |
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| 12:13.29 | MendoCino | Ola brotherz |
| 12:13.38 | i5513 | I would like to backport an ia64 package from squeeze to lenny, but I don't have any pbuilder installation in an ia64 server .. |
| 12:14.11 | MendoCino | Anyone use ZTE MF626 stick for 3G-UMTS mobile-internet access? |
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| 12:18.17 | babilen | i5513: http://wiki.debian.org/cowbuilder |
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| 12:20.34 | Penix | jarick? |
| 12:20.36 | Penix | oops |
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| 12:21.12 | i5513 | babilen: in wiki only talk about amd64 and i386, is this applicable to ia64 ? |
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| 12:24.44 | Stilllooking | DomeDan: its won't do anything it keeps saying it wants me to reisntall kde , Unmet dependcies |
| 12:24.58 | MendoCino | Dicsoseges tesvereim iszunk egyet? |
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| 12:25.16 | babilen | i5513: right - the usual ia64 -> amd64 autocerrection needed in here ;-) No idea then ... sorry |
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| 12:26.04 | Stilllooking | DomeDan: if i manualy delete the offending file from /usr/bin , will apt-get be quiet? |
| 12:26.44 | DomeDan | Stilllooking: ok, try: aptitude remove kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data |
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| 12:27.42 | DomeDan | Stilllooking: when he askes that, if you choose No, does it provide you with an other option? |
| 12:28.02 | i5513 | babilen: Thank you, I'll install pbuilder in the same machine, later, I'll try to remove it |
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| 12:29.43 | action09 | Hi all, on Debian Lenny my pidgin can't connect to MSN: 'protocol isn't suppported by the server' anybody had this please ? |
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| 12:30.25 | DomeDan | action09: yeah, i got that error on one of my computers, didnt find a solution, so i use emesene now :P |
| 12:30.44 | action09 | DomeDan maybe installing it from backports, cf: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=47567 |
| 12:30.52 | TangentCollision | you could uh... /join #pidgin ? |
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| 12:31.55 | xover | how does buffered memory compare to cached memory? |
| 12:31.56 | action09 | TangentCollision thanks for your assistance :) i think it will greatly help us :) |
| 12:32.14 | DomeDan | action09: hehe,i just google up that site :P |
| 12:32.34 | TangentCollision | lol, I try |
| 12:32.43 | action09 | TangentCollision if you can read (i have no doubt) there's a Debian solution on my system to install it backports, hope this help us |
| 12:32.45 | TangentCollision | I'm not actually running debian right now |
| 12:32.56 | action09 | :( |
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| 12:33.03 | MendoCino | Need to penguinfuckerz.so I think |
| 12:33.20 | TangentCollision | but I just got a new flash drive, so I'm thinking it's a possibility soon... |
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| 12:33.38 | action09 | it's same thing ms change it's protocol to keep $$$ flowding :) |
| 12:33.44 | TangentCollision | any idea how to sneak network drivers into the net install? I need ath5k or madwifi |
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| 12:34.27 | rr0d | i followed this http://wiki.debian.org/EmdebianToolchain, when i do a "apt-cross -u" i get this http://nopaste.info/f607fb3d3b.html |
| 12:34.36 | rr0d | im on debian squeeze |
| 12:35.22 | Elirips | Hello. Not debian-specific, but: with xwininfo -id i can get information about a specific window - is there something available to list all ids? |
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| 12:37.52 | xover | what is the difference between buffered and cached memory? |
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| 12:38.15 | jelly | xover: context? |
| 12:38.24 | xover | free -m |
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| 12:39.47 | jelly | xover: buffers are, I think, miscellaneous buffers used all over the kernel. Unnamed pipes, sockets and such. |
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| 12:40.45 | jelly | xover: cached blocks are just that, pieces of filesystem cached in memory |
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| 12:43.15 | xover | ta |
| 12:43.42 | TangentCollision | da |
| 12:44.05 | MendoCino | DA, Brotha |
| 12:44.22 | MendoCino | Hosanna TangentCollision Brotha |
| 12:44.25 | jelly | !ta |
| 12:44.26 | dpkg | i guess ta is an abbreviation for thomas_adam, or antipodean slang for "thank you". Total Annihilation(Best RTS *evar*). Teaching Assistant Tamil (language spoken in South India as well as Sri Lanka, Singapore and Malaysia) |
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| 12:44.41 | jelly | ah, antipodes are the best |
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| 12:45.15 | TangentCollision | dpkg? |
| 12:45.29 | TangentCollision | awesome name |
| 12:45.42 | jelly | apt: greet TangentCollision |
| 12:46.04 | apt | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on TangentCollision |
| 12:46.05 | TangentCollision | apt: help |
| 12:46.12 | TangentCollision | thanks asswipe |
| 12:46.21 | TangentCollision | dangit |
| 12:46.30 | MendoCino | asswipe:D |
| 12:46.32 | TangentCollision | brb, going to go take a bloody shower |
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| 12:46.39 | TangentCollision | and I mean bloody |
| 12:46.45 | TangentCollision | like, three cows |
| 12:46.58 | DomeDan | sounds nice :) |
| 12:46.59 | jelly | also: smelly |
| 12:47.05 | TangentCollision | oh, hey yogurt2ungue, was just talking about my plans with your mother |
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| 12:51.37 | TangentCollision | so, anyone know how to sneak ath5k/madwifi drivers into a debian net installer? |
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| 12:51.44 | TangentCollision | otherwise I can't install for 7 more days :P |
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| 12:54.20 | datenritter | hi. suspend to ram doesn't work anymore on my notebook. (it's dead after waking up.) i have tried a kernel w/o fb, a kernel with a config that worked before, the 2.6.26 image from testing. suspend works with windows, so i guess it's not a bios problem. i tried to pass vga=0, as well as acpi_sleep=s3_bios and acpi_sleep=s3_mode to the kernel. |
| 12:54.23 | datenritter | i installed uswsusp from stable. any ideas where else i should look? |
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| 12:54.57 | TangentCollision | hmm |
| 12:55.00 | TangentCollision | interesting |
| 12:55.02 | datenritter | i just can't see what could prevent my nb from waking up. i even tried suspend to ram in runlevel 1 |
| 12:55.05 | jelly | datenritter: there is no 2.6.26 in testing any more, which Debian release are you using? |
| 12:55.11 | DomeDan | datenritter: how big is your swap? |
| 12:55.22 | datenritter | jelly: i have to check, hold on... |
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| 12:55.36 | datenritter | DomeDan: suspend to _ram_ shouldn't need the swap, or? |
| 12:55.47 | jelly | (that's correct) |
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| 12:55.56 | datenritter | jelly: # cat /etc/debian_version: squeeze/sid |
| 12:56.16 | datenritter | it's an msi-notebook (1057 i think), known to work |
| 12:56.19 | jelly | datenritter: well... update your kernel, see what (un)breaks |
| 12:56.25 | DomeDan | datenritter: i read about it for my eeepc, and it said that i need a big swap-space |
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| 12:57.02 | jelly | DomeDan: suspend to disk (hibernation) usually requires swap, suspend to ram doesn't |
| 12:57.02 | datenritter | jelly: i am running a 2.6.32 already... 2.6.31 doesn't work either. but i will get the latest image from testing and try that one |
| 12:57.15 | DomeDan | jelly: oh sorry. my bad |
| 12:57.17 | jelly | datenritter: selfbuilt? |
| 12:57.22 | datenritter | jelly: yes |
| 12:58.14 | datenritter | ok, i will install 2.6.30-2-686 |
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| 12:58.54 | jelly | datenritter: there's also a 2.6.32-trunk-* in unstable |
| 12:59.34 | jelly | datenritter: do you have any usb devices connected at the time of suspend? |
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| 13:00.18 | jelly | either external or internal (eg. bluetooth often appears as a usb device) |
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| 13:01.14 | datenritter | jelly: no ext. usb, but there's bluetooth. it's not really new though |
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| 13:01.31 | datenritter | all i did recently was... aptitude update i guess. |
| 13:01.36 | datenritter | upgrade |
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| 13:01.55 | jelly | datenritter: did you reboot in the meantime? |
| 13:02.49 | datenritter | jelly: well... as my nb didn't wake up i rebooted like 50 times... |
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| 13:03.02 | jelly | oh, right |
| 13:03.08 | datenritter | i will try the debian image now... back in 5 |
| 13:03.24 | iceroot | hours? |
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| 13:05.53 | DomeDan | dont feed the trolls |
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| 13:11.35 | datenritter | 2.6.30-2-686 - same problem |
| 13:11.44 | datenritter | and it doesn't seem to have KMS btw |
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| 13:12.49 | datenritter | after pressing the powerbutton i see the hdd-led flash a few times, and it sound's like the dvd-drive is beeing reset (2 times). capslock doesn't work, black screen. |
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| 13:14.30 | jelly | datenritter: if your machine has a serial port for some reason, you might get some output off a serial console |
| 13:15.04 | datenritter | no serial port here. :( |
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| 13:15.12 | datenritter | uswsusp 0.7-1.2 btw |
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| 13:18.28 | jelly | well... suspend to disk might work better |
| 13:19.03 | datenritter | hmm, i could try that. it's not set up though, have to configure the resume-stuff |
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| 13:20.12 | datenritter | maybe i should try tuxonice... sounds nice :) |
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| 13:21.48 | jelly | it used to work better, but I've stopped using it around the time s2disk started working on my machine |
| 13:21.48 | datenritter | uh, i have only about 500M of swapspace. s2disk is most probably not an option. :( |
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| 13:22.19 | jelly | datenritter: you can always try it |
| 13:23.25 | babilen | datenritter: or create a swapfile |
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| 13:28.23 | datenritter | ok, a file should work. anyway, i will try s2disk as a last resort. s2ram is what i used quite frequently... |
| 13:28.53 | datenritter | i will try out the tuxonice patch |
| 13:29.44 | omes | datenritter: hibernate has really been weird lately... |
| 13:29.49 | omes | mine doesnt even work at the moment.. |
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| 13:30.15 | datenritter | *sigh* |
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| 13:31.13 | omes | i know.. cause i used to use it all the time |
| 13:31.33 | wintix | cryptsetup with kernel 2.6.32.1 doesn't offload it's work to more than one cpu and therefore is a bottleneck in my server currently located at the congress. is there a way to get the kcryptd to get split into more processes, say one per cpu? maybe someone with experience is even at the congress and could help me out. |
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| 13:33.26 | yancho_ | hi. i am trying to install freetds but am having some problems .. i just need to have tds to check for existance of an sql server - how can i do it please? sqsh is getting me nowhere :( |
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| 13:33.33 | datenritter | feels that there is too much... "ambition" in some foss-projects lately... :( |
| 13:35.08 | datenritter | hmm... do deprecated sysfs features have anything to do with suspend? |
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| 13:39.32 | datenritter | oh, is the tuxonice patch fpr s2disk only? |
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| 13:42.10 | datenritter | has to rtfm more frequently |
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| 13:55.43 | blackhole | Hi can someone tell me how can i check which is my current debain distro |
| 13:55.50 | blackhole | & how can i update it to latest? |
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| 13:56.51 | jelly | !version |
| 13:56.52 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version. Do cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} which should grab almost all distributions. |
| 13:57.16 | jelly | inckie: please disable your irc client from answering to !version |
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| 13:57.35 | inckie | ok |
| 13:57.48 | jelly | thanks |
| 13:57.50 | blackhole | jelly, which is latest debain versin |
| 13:57.54 | blackhole | i have 4.0 |
| 13:58.11 | jelly | blackhole: lenny, 5.0.3. See the topic. |
| 13:58.22 | jelly | !tell blackhole -about etch->lenny |
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| 13:58.48 | jelly | !tell blackhole -about lenny release notes |
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| 14:01.26 | DomeDan | !tell DomeDan -about kroner |
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| 14:03.00 | abrotman | !tell DomeDan about selftell |
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| 14:03.36 | Tristren55 | Hi ppl |
| 14:03.40 | DomeDan | !tell abrotman -about thanks |
| 14:03.57 | DomeDan | hi again :) |
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| 14:05.34 | Tristren55 | I am having trouble getting debian testing via torrent |
| 14:05.59 | Tristren55 | I get an unauthorised server message |
| 14:06.11 | abrotman | just get the netinst |
| 14:06.20 | abrotman | it's only a 160MB ISO |
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| 14:08.00 | Tristren55 | download is not authorised for use with this tracker |
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| 14:08.58 | DomeDan | where did you download it, and what file is it? |
| 14:09.08 | DomeDan | the torrentfile i mean |
| 14:09.51 | Tristren55 | I got the torrent file from here.... http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/bt-dvd/ |
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| 14:10.54 | __class__ | !tell blackhole |
| 14:11.12 | abrotman | Tristren55: please don't use those ... use the netinst |
| 14:11.51 | abrotman | Tristren55: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/amd64/iso-cd/debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 14:12.24 | DomeDan | yeah, netinst is the best :) but i tried to download the torrrent, same error for me, probably its to new, but maybe DHT will work |
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| 14:14.33 | Tristren55 | well my debian test machine is at work and Im not allowed to put it on the company network unless I can vouch for it |
| 14:14.49 | Tristren55 | and I dont have those skills yet |
| 14:15.21 | Tristren55 | so I have a local deb mirror which I create from the DVDs |
| 14:15.39 | abrotman | Tristren55: so get the DVD ISOs |
| 14:15.52 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/amd64/iso-dvd/ .. |
| 14:16.03 | abrotman | huge waste of bandwidth though |
| 14:16.16 | Tristren55 | inatilly maybe |
| 14:16.18 | abrotman | i hope you're wasting company bandwidth to keep it from wasting their bandwidth .. or sometihng like that |
| 14:16.36 | abrotman | no, those testing images are pretty much useless four hours after they are created |
| 14:17.43 | Stereo | Tristren55: maybe apt-proxy is interesting for you |
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| 14:17.57 | abrotman | Stereo: he's saying he can't put it on the company netowrk |
| 14:18.15 | Stereo | set up your workstation as a debian mirror, connect your debian testing machine to it on a private subnet |
| 14:18.35 | Stereo | but I guess that depends on what is allowed and isn't |
| 14:18.37 | Tristren55 | I can only connect to a local subnet |
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| 14:19.44 | datenritter | don't use apt-proxy, use apt-cacher |
| 14:19.44 | Tristren55 | I hoped to use the torrents to reduce the bandwidth glup! |
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| 14:20.10 | Neeesat | hello to all |
| 14:20.17 | Neeesat | Merry Christmas |
| 14:20.45 | Neeesat | I am trying to pass some keyboard keys from script in command line. Is this possible? |
| 14:21.05 | abrotman | Neeesat: ask #bash |
| 14:21.14 | abrotman | (assuming it's a bash script) |
| 14:21.14 | Neeesat | Oh ok |
| 14:21.17 | Neeesat | Thnaks |
| 14:22.14 | Tristren55 | is the bots name dpkg? |
| 14:22.15 | abrotman | Tristren55: then why not use stable ... then you can use the torrents |
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| 14:23.22 | Tristren55 | I thought that testing was more up to date I have been using stable for the last two months |
| 14:23.57 | Tristren55 | but most programs are a year old or so |
| 14:24.04 | abrotman | but it's only for getting the IT dept to allow debian on the network, right ? |
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| 14:25.41 | datenritter | hmm, Documentation/power/basic-pm-debugging.txt looks interesting... |
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| 14:33.17 | Tristren55 | so only stable can be got via torrents? |
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| 14:37.29 | Titan8990 | Tristren55, you can install squeeze using the lenny netinst cd |
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| 14:42.06 | Tristren55 | that would require external network access |
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| 14:42.52 | Titan8990 | yep |
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| 14:43.37 | Tristren55 | one of the advantages for me is that I dont need to worry too much about keeping the test machine secure |
| 14:43.58 | Tristren55 | and I can do what I want on it |
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| 14:44.30 | Tristren55 | which means I can make mistakes and not put other machines at risk |
| 14:44.58 | Titan8990 | sounds like an ideal situation to roll out a virtual machine |
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| 14:45.21 | Tristren55 | well I was looking into xen... |
| 14:45.39 | Titan8990 | xen is overkill for desktop virtualization |
| 14:46.03 | Titan8990 | unless you want to learn something new, don't bother |
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| 14:47.59 | Tristren55 | what do you mean by overkill? |
| 14:48.32 | Tristren55 | its got really crappy graphics hardware |
| 14:48.40 | Tristren55 | virtual hardware |
| 14:49.11 | dzjazooma | I want to send 'automated' keystrokes to any gnome-window from a shellscript. How can this be achieved? |
| 14:50.29 | paissad__ | i 've built a new kernel, i want to build vboxdrv (virtualbox module) .. i followed these steps: apt-get update, apt-get buid-dep virtualbox-ose-source, .fakeroot debian/rules binary, sudo dpkg -i ../virtualbox*deb ... and the installations went goo |
| 14:50.33 | paissad__ | good* |
| 14:50.55 | paissad__ | but i got no vboxdrv module yet ... i just have it for my last kernel |
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| 14:51.39 | Titan8990 | Tristren55, xen requires kernel patches and configuration that desktop virtualization does not |
| 14:51.44 | paissad__ | http://pastebin.com/f363825e9 |
| 14:51.51 | sshc | I pressed 'e' for examine in aptitude. How do I go back to the previous package list screen? |
| 14:52.04 | Titan8990 | Tristren55, in a production server env, xen may not be a bad choice, but for desktop virtualization just use whats easy, virtualbox or vmware |
| 14:52.05 | paissad__ | dpkg -l | grep virtualbox | pastebinit - |
| 14:52.05 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep virtualbox | pastebinit - |
| 14:52.26 | paissad__ | :) |
| 14:54.03 | Tristren55 | yes I have installed virtual box but I dont like the performance hit I get which I dont get from xen |
| 14:54.18 | paissad__ | modprobe -l | grep vbox returned me nothing :s |
| 14:54.57 | Titan8990 | paissad__, virtualbox-ose-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 14:55.27 | paissad__ | Titan8990, ok, but my `uname -r` does no exist into repositories ! |
| 14:55.28 | Titan8990 | Tristren55, I haven't experienced this performance hit |
| 14:55.47 | Titan8990 | paissad__, you compiled a vanilla kernel? |
| 14:55.51 | paissad__ | Titan8990, yes |
| 14:55.56 | paissad__ | vanilla ? |
| 14:56.21 | Titan8990 | paissad__, vanilla is typically an unpatched kernel from kernel.org |
| 14:56.34 | paissad__ | i dowloaded kernel 2.6.32.2 and installed it via make-kpkg |
| 14:56.44 | paissad__ | from kernel.org indeed |
| 14:58.47 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, for what reason? |
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| 14:59.32 | Titan8990 | former gentoo user hehe? |
| 14:59.47 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, because i got a usb wifi key, the drivers were available only for >=2.31, btw, i got 2.6.26.6.amd64 ( it was really old i think) |
| 15:00.00 | abrotman | which wifi is that ? |
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| 15:00.32 | paissad-hp | abrotman, rt2870 module i needed .... it's d-link dwa 140 usb wifi |
| 15:00.50 | paissad-hp | now it works with my new kernel :P |
| 15:01.18 | paissad-hp | btw, where am i wrong with my virtualbox rebuild ? |
| 15:01.32 | paissad-hp | i guess i was not wrong, but what have i missed ? |
| 15:02.08 | Titan8990 | !rt2870 |
| 15:02.08 | dpkg | [rt2870sta] vendor driver for Ralink RT2870/RT3070 USB 802.11 draft-n wireless LAN devices. Included as a staging driver in mainline kernels from 2.6.29-rc1, RT3070 support merged in 2.6.32-rc1. Available in Debian 2.6.29 and later images (i386 & amd64 only), ask me about <ralink firmware> for kernels >= 2.6.30. Installation procedure at http://wiki.debian.org/rt2870sta . For Ralink PCI 802.11n devices, ask me about <rt2860sta>. |
| 15:02.30 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, according to the article there you only needed to install the kernel from backports, not compile vanilla yourself |
| 15:02.56 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, did not know that method ? :( |
| 15:04.10 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, btw, i did not want to add backport repository, i did not know his utiliity |
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| 15:04.41 | paissad-hp | and now, do you have any idea of how to build module using debian utils ? |
| 15:04.59 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, either way, if you want to keep your existing kernel #vbox is probably better suited to get help |
| 15:05.20 | paissad-hp | ok |
| 15:05.29 | paissad-hp | another question: |
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| 15:05.53 | MrTorque | i made a typo in a username, should i delete the user and add again or can i rename it somehow? |
| 15:05.59 | paissad-hp | if i had installed the new kernel via backport, would i have the module vboxdrv fro repositories ? |
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| 15:06.19 | paissad-hp | using virtualbox-modules-`uname -r` ?? |
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| 15:07.37 | Tristren55 | MrTorgue first delete user and then re add (maybe backup the home directory first if not empty) |
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| 15:10.42 | jelly | paissad-hp: usually not, build them yourself, install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and use m-a or some other method |
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| 15:12.31 | MrTorque | Tristren55: should i give same uid? |
| 15:13.59 | Tristren55 | no you dont have to do anything but delete user and re add the system will give them a new uid |
| 15:15.03 | MrTorque | Tristren55: what about files which were owned by old user? new user will not have access rights to them. can't i manually edit /etc/passwd? |
| 15:16.37 | Tristren55 | MrTorque one solution put the new user into the same group as the old user |
| 15:17.57 | Tristren55 | but that wont give them full access |
| 15:18.05 | MrTorque | Tristren55: this seems to be a dirty method. what about the files which were owned by the old user, but which have different group... |
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| 15:18.22 | MrTorque | what about editing /etc/passwd by hand? |
| 15:20.07 | Tristren55 | MrTorque Im not really sure about that how would you be editing that file? |
| 15:20.47 | MrTorque | vim /etc/passwd and modify the username and the home-folder, then rename home-folder according to the right user-name |
| 15:20.57 | abrotman | MrTorque: if you just screwed up the username .. change it in /etc/passwd |
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| 15:23.57 | Tristren55 | MrTorque was the old user in a group that you specified or just in the default users group |
| 15:25.32 | kvn | hi,all,now i have a problem with the wireless,i can see the wireless net,but can not connect,how can i do? my kernel version is 2.6.26-2 |
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| 15:26.28 | kvn | help me,please |
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| 15:28.50 | babilen | kvn: paste output of 'lspci -nn' and describe what you have done so far, what failed, how you try to connect, ... |
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| 15:39.03 | kvn | babilen, i have installed the firmwire-iwlwifi and network-manager,the message of "lspci -nn" is here,http://pastebin.ca/1729548 |
| 15:39.53 | abrotman | did you unload/reload the module ? |
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| 15:42.00 | kvn | abrotman, no |
| 15:42.16 | Tristren55 | MrTorque did you get it fixed? |
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| 15:45.28 | paissad-hp | !backports |
| 15:45.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch02.en.html (2.7.4 and 2.7.10), http://backports.org/. Ask me about <backports.org> and <backport caveat>. See also <simple sid backport>. |
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| 15:47.01 | Andy1978 | Hi at all. Does anyone have a good solution to remove als blanks and special chars from filenames AND directories in all subdirectories? Tried with rename and self written sehllscript, but i ran into troubles. So perhaps there is already a tool for this? |
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| 15:47.37 | paissad-hp | Andy1978, how did u use rename ? |
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| 15:48.22 | paissad-hp | Andy1978, what do you call special char ? |
| 15:48.33 | bremner | do any of the backup/mirror-directory utilities offer good rename detection? |
| 15:49.10 | Andy1978 | paissad-hp: rename -n 's/ */_/g' * (n for testing) |
| 15:49.40 | Andy1978 | paissad-hp: special char is "\ " (blank) $,\ and so on |
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| 15:50.06 | DomeDan | found some in: aptitude search rename, might be helpful |
| 15:50.30 | Andy1978 | DomeDan: already tried rename, but only renames files in current directory |
| 15:50.49 | copton | how can I see all packages which are installed from experimental? aptitude search "~i ~Aexperimental" lists all which are installed and have a version in experimentals. That's not quite what I need. |
| 15:50.59 | trumpen | Andy1978, find . -exec rename -n 's/[^.[:alnum:' |
| 15:51.06 | trumpen | oops |
| 15:51.08 | \amethyst | trumpen: not safe |
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| 15:51.24 | \amethyst | trumpen: if a directory name contains a space it will choke |
| 15:51.33 | \amethyst | moment, #bash has a faq about this |
| 15:51.36 | Andy1978 | \amethyst: yes, this is my biggest problem |
| 15:51.52 | trumpen | \amethyst, sorry, you are right |
| 15:52.26 | \amethyst | Andy1978: http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/030 has a number of examples... one way is to do the recursion yourself |
| 15:52.39 | Andy1978 | \amethyst: I already tried something like: for i in `find . -name '* *' | tr -d './' | tr ' ' '~'`; |
| 15:52.55 | \amethyst | Andy1978: another would be to use find -depth -exec and make sure when you do the substitution you only change the filename part, not the directory part |
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| 15:53.56 | Andy1978 | \amethyst: I tried to rename directories and filenames in one run (one for loop), but as you said, after the directory was renamed, mv failed. |
| 15:54.10 | \amethyst | Andy1978: e.g. find . -depth -name '* *' -exec bash -c 'mv "$(dirname "$1")/$(basename "$1" | tr " " "~")"' _ {} \; |
| 15:54.21 | \amethyst | Andy1978: -depth makes it process contents before directories |
| 15:54.32 | Andy1978 | then I tried to do 2 steps: first use a for loop with find -type d and after that a second for the filenames |
| 15:54.41 | Andy1978 | Aaah, thank you |
| 15:55.03 | \amethyst | Andy1978: the problem with the two-step approach is "foo bar/baz fum" |
| 15:55.07 | Andy1978 | I didn't know the -deth options, thank you, I think you made my day |
| 15:55.13 | \amethyst | Andy1978: err, I mean "foo bar/baz fum/glorp" |
| 15:55.22 | Andy1978 | -depth |
| 15:56.06 | Andy1978 | \amethyst: thank you for your help, I'll try your suggestions |
| 15:56.09 | \amethyst | Andy1978: remember that just -depth isn't enough, or you'll end up with mv "foo bar/baz fum" "foo_bar/baz_fum" which will fail because "foo_bar" doesn't exist |
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| 15:56.29 | \amethyst | Andy1978: another thing to be concerned about is when the renamed version already exists |
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| 15:56.50 | \amethyst | Andy1978: because if it's a directory, you'll end up with "foo bar" -> "foo_bar/foo bar" |
| 15:57.07 | \amethyst | Andy1978: (and then the contents might not get processed, depending on directory order) |
| 15:57.17 | \amethyst | Andy1978: I didn't take that last concern into account in my version |
| 15:57.23 | Andy1978 | \amethyst: hm, I see. Therefore I asked here for a scipts or command, which does this all correct |
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| 15:57.43 | Andy1978 | \amethyst: The task first sounds very easy but... |
| 15:57.53 | janhouse | any ideas why can't I connect to internet? I have set manually ip address and everything |
| 15:57.58 | janhouse | I can ping gateway |
| 15:58.09 | janhouse | but can't get on the internet |
| 15:58.09 | Andy1978 | default gateway is set? |
| 15:58.13 | newsense | ns |
| 15:58.17 | newsense | dns |
| 15:58.17 | janhouse | everything should work |
| 15:58.19 | janhouse | no |
| 15:58.22 | janhouse | listen |
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| 15:58.50 | janhouse | Configuration worked perfectly. After I rebooted my server pc I can't get to internet |
| 15:59.10 | janhouse | I set up router wit the same settings and works |
| 15:59.13 | newsense | thats great that it "should work" but it isn't so that's irrelevant |
| 15:59.32 | janhouse | newsense, I did not change any ip settings |
| 15:59.43 | janhouse | I set them up interfaces file |
| 15:59.55 | janhouse | they worked for like 2 months |
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| 16:00.05 | janhouse | and now after reboot they don't |
| 16:00.06 | newsense | can you ping out by ip ? whats your route ? |
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| 16:00.16 | janhouse | I can't |
| 16:00.17 | keith4 | you probably have no default route |
| 16:00.20 | janhouse | that is the problem |
| 16:00.27 | janhouse | default route? |
| 16:00.29 | janhouse | gateway? |
| 16:00.32 | newsense | typer route |
| 16:00.37 | janhouse | ? |
| 16:00.49 | janhouse | where do I set it up? |
| 16:00.50 | keith4 | /sbin/route |
| 16:00.57 | keith4 | what does it say? |
| 16:01.32 | janhouse | one moment |
| 16:01.44 | jelly | dpkg: choose iputils-ping or inetutils-ping |
| 16:01.44 | dpkg | hmm... gosh that's a hard choice... but i'm going with iputils-ping, jelly |
| 16:01.55 | abrotman | janhouse: put your /etc/network/interfaces in a pastebin |
| 16:02.08 | helo | if i connect, and nickserv tells me that my nick is owned by helo@frnk-590df4b3.pool.mediaWays.net, does that mean someone connected and used my password to register with nickserv? |
| 16:02.18 | abrotman | helo: ask #freenode |
| 16:02.32 | helo | oh doh, i just did a /join #freenode but switched back to the wrong tab |
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| 16:03.01 | paissad-hp | how can i manage priorities into /etc/init.d scripts ? |
| 16:03.15 | jelly | dpkg: botsnack |
| 16:03.15 | dpkg | jelly: aw, gee |
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| 16:04.01 | paissad-hp | each time i restart my server, the nfs-kernel-server daemon does not see my laptops, so i always have to restart the service after |
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| 16:04.41 | jelly | paissad-hp: why would it have to "see" your laptops, which are presumably nfs clients? |
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| 16:06.36 | paissad-hp | jelly, during the "exports", i see "paissad-hp does not have an inet adrr" ... (paissad-hp is the hostname of my laptop) ... i thought that nfs-kernel-should "wait" until the server detects other computers around |
| 16:07.00 | paissad-hp | but after the boot, i restart nfs-kernel-server , and all is ok |
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| 16:07.19 | jelly | paissad-hp: um, use a local dns server with statically assigned addresses? |
| 16:08.00 | paissad-hp | jelly, my laptops and server do have local dns |
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| 16:08.51 | jelly | ... where "local" means local to your network |
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| 16:11.49 | paissad-hp | jelly, actually, i managed the local dns names from my router ..... not into computers, |
| 16:12.07 | paissad-hp | that's the matter ? |
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| 16:13.05 | paissad-hp | my computers hostnames just have the same local dns name but that means nothing |
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| 16:13.22 | jelly | paissad-hp: I don't really understand what you said. Do you have a DNS server to give you an A record for "paissad-hp" even when that machine is off, or not? |
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| 16:15.43 | paissad-hp | jelly, actually, i don't really know if it's really i dns server i have into my router, it's the router of my internet provider ... and all i did is to fix local ip adresses and give names according to mac & ip adresses |
| 16:16.06 | paissad-hp | nothing else |
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| 16:16.59 | PyroPhelia | ifenslave is the app you use for ether bonding in 2.6 right? or do you specifically need the ifenslave-2.6? Also is there anything better? Most tutorials I've read all recomend ifenslave |
| 16:17.18 | jelly | paissad-hp: well. Does "host paissad-hp" work from the nfs server when that machine is offline? |
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| 16:17.42 | jelly | paissad-hp: and does it work when that machine is online? |
| 16:18.33 | ZeeousS | Hi to all! |
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| 16:19.44 | ZeeousS | Hi to all |
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| 16:21.20 | jelly | PyroPhelia: read the fine documentation. /usr/share/doc/ifenslave-2.6/README.Debian |
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| 16:22.14 | paissad-hp | jelly, when down --> paissad-acer.lan has address 192.168.1.6 |
| 16:22.15 | paissad-hp | Host paissad-acer.lan not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 16:22.52 | paissad-hp | jelly, when up --> same thing |
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| 16:23.30 | paissad-hp | i did "host paissad-acer" |
| 16:23.38 | nsadmin | ZeeousS: there are 900 people here... do you REALLY want them all to say hi back to you individually? |
| 16:23.39 | paissad-hp | from the server machine |
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| 16:24.25 | telis | can anyone to explain me the deference between /etc/modules.d/local.conf and /etc/module.conf.local |
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| 16:25.19 | nsadmin | telis: one's a file in a dir, and the other is a file in a dir in a dir! |
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| 16:26.38 | jelly | paissad-hp: so is it "has address" or "not found"? |
| 16:26.47 | jelly | can't be both |
| 16:27.37 | jelly | paissad-hp: make your dns work. Or put ip addresses in /etc/exports and /etc/hosts.allow |
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| 16:27.56 | paissad-hp | jelly, host paissad-acer &> /tmp/out ; pastebinit -i /tmp/out |
| 16:27.56 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f3996fd31 |
| 16:28.22 | paissad-hp | my laptop is "up" |
| 16:29.06 | jelly | well, that output makes no sense |
| 16:29.10 | Titan8990 | paissad-hp, pretty sure you can simply do: `host paissad-acer | pastebinit` |
| 16:29.24 | jelly | paissad-hp: what about "getent hosts paissad-acer" |
| 16:29.34 | paissad-hp | Titan8990, pastebinit - does not take errors ! |
| 16:29.54 | paissad-hp | from the pipe i mean |
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| 16:30.32 | jelly | stuff 2>&1 | someapp |
| 16:30.32 | \amethyst | paissad-hp: host paissad-acer 2>&1 | pastebinit |
| 16:30.38 | \amethyst | what jelly said |
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| 16:30.47 | paissad-hp | jelly, getent hosts paissad-acer |
| 16:30.47 | paissad-hp | 192.168.1.6 paissad-acer.lan |
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| 16:31.00 | jelly | your resolver seems to be working. |
| 16:31.11 | paissad-hp | i tried when the laptop is down or not ... i have the same result |
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| 16:31.28 | \amethyst | host doesn't use the resolver though, but always the DNS in resolv.conf |
| 16:31.28 | paissad-hp | \amethyst, thanks |
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| 16:31.43 | jelly | paissad-hp: what does your /etc/resolv.conf look like? |
| 16:31.49 | \amethyst | so 'host' and 'nslookup' and 'dig' won't find things in /etc/hosts |
| 16:31.57 | \amethyst | (but getent will) |
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| 16:32.12 | paissad-hp | jelly, pastebinit -i /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:32.13 | paissad-hp | http://pastebin.com/f2dcc0d9b |
| 16:33.25 | nsadmin | and there is a name server running on 192.168.1.254? |
| 16:33.47 | paissad-hp | my server is 192.168.1.7 |
| 16:34.10 | jelly | paissad-hp: retry the getent command when that nfs-kernel-server message happens. Everything seems to be working right now |
| 16:34.17 | nsadmin | so there is NOT a name server running on 192.168.1.254? |
| 16:34.47 | jelly | nsadmin: he didn't answer your question |
| 16:34.58 | paissad-hp | nsadmin, 192.168.1.254 is my router .. and it has a dns server |
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| 16:35.52 | rgrx30 | I have a server at adress .101, If I want to run a Tor proxy on it, is there anything else I need to do other than allow port 8118 to connect from my internal LAN machines? Some sort of internet http/forwarding thing or something? Currently the proxy is not working despite me opening it using firestarter. Where best to look for error logs? |
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| 16:37.30 | Titan8990 | rgrx30, isn't tor typically ran on the local machine, not a remote node? |
| 16:37.59 | Titan8990 | rgrx30, and also, IIRC, tor requires a 3rd party proxy such as privoxy |
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| 16:40.18 | rgrx30 | privoxy is running. |
| 16:40.34 | rgrx30 | but I want to make my main server be the tor proxy. |
| 16:41.07 | rgrx30 | so then all the clients do is chane the http proxy to that rather than all running rot and privoxy. |
| 16:41.27 | rgrx30 | I had it running fine on this laptop but now I want to channel through the main "always on" server. |
| 16:41.42 | rgrx30 | s/rot/tor |
| 16:42.33 | rgrx30 | or maybe I misunderstand how it works. Maybe only privoxy on ther server but tor on all the clients? |
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| 16:43.10 | Titan8990 | rgrx30, I recommend moving to #tor |
| 16:43.34 | Titan8990 | rgrx30, since tor isn't really in debian and I doubt many in this chan are knowledgable on the subject |
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| 16:49.54 | coolkehon | hi |
| 16:50.17 | coolkehon | I'm trying to install debian and i see 31 isos |
| 16:50.23 | coolkehon | wtf |
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| 16:50.33 | nsadmin | you don't need any of them |
| 16:50.42 | coolkehon | well how do i install it |
| 16:50.50 | coolkehon | i don't have a cd drive and i can't do netinstall |
| 16:50.59 | nsadmin | what do you have? |
| 16:51.05 | coolkehon | i would like to install them from a hard drive partition |
| 16:51.09 | coolkehon | and i've got a usb drive |
| 16:51.21 | coolkehon | is there a way i can mount the isos before or during the install |
| 16:51.28 | coolkehon | and have it installed from there |
| 16:51.33 | coolkehon | and which iso do i need |
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| 16:52.12 | nsadmin | not sure about that particular situation. do you have a blank usb stick? |
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| 16:52.19 | coolkehon | yeah |
| 16:52.33 | nsadmin | let's see... |
| 16:52.36 | nsadmin | !usb install |
| 16:52.36 | dpkg | Yes, it is possible to install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see http://www.debian.org/releases/lenny/i386/ch04s03 . To download USB stick images, ask me about <install debian>. (Older, outdated article at http://d-i.pascal.at/). BIOS can't boot from USB? Use http://www.plop.at/en/bootmanager.html |
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| 16:53.26 | coolkehon | !usb install debian |
| 16:53.49 | coolkehon | <install debian> |
| 16:53.54 | nsadmin | as long as the stick is large enough to accomodate the image, you should be good to go |
| 16:54.02 | coolkehon | which image do i need |
| 16:54.10 | nsadmin | coolkehon: /msg dpkg install debian |
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| 16:58.42 | coolkehon | so i only need the first iso and not the rest? |
| 16:58.57 | coolkehon | and if so then what are those other isos for? |
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| 17:01.02 | DasEi | coolkehon: it's for a install when no inet is in reach |
| 17:01.22 | coolkehon | so i have wifi can i do that? |
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| 17:02.36 | DasEi | coolkehon: most prbly, though cable is always the safer bet, especially if you are in install; the installer cd (1) contains enough to get a running system which then can be configured |
| 17:02.38 | zophy | how do i install php5 ? |
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| 17:02.48 | zig_ | Boy am I excited about this google neatx thing. |
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| 17:02.53 | genoobie | hey |
| 17:03.05 | genoobie | I just download a netinst of debian |
| 17:03.06 | Jorophose | would debian stable support the latest catalyst/fglrx? |
| 17:03.34 | genoobie | as I was installing it asked for a e100/d101s_ucode.bin to be placed on removable media |
| 17:03.43 | genoobie | then I put the bin on a usb stick |
| 17:03.50 | genoobie | said "yes" |
| 17:04.11 | genoobie | and it's a blue screen, hdd light on (no noise) and it appears stuck |
| 17:04.12 | genoobie | is this normal? |
| 17:04.29 | jelly | probably not |
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| 17:04.55 | genoobie | of course not |
| 17:06.22 | genoobie | jelly, I used this debian-testing-i386businesscard.iso |
| 17:06.30 | genoobie | I want LXDE |
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| 17:06.46 | macman_ | hello .. does debian have the filestat command ? |
| 17:07.36 | valdyn | macman_: you mean "stat" |
| 17:07.49 | macman_ | no filestat |
| 17:07.54 | genoobie | so my netinst is stuck does anyone have tips? |
| 17:08.00 | genoobie | the MD5 was fine |
| 17:08.01 | valdyn | macman_: what is that supposed to do? |
| 17:08.04 | genoobie | the burn was verified |
| 17:08.06 | genoobie | what gives |
| 17:08.21 | valdyn | genoobie: alt-f2 to see where its stuck |
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| 17:08.30 | genoobie | thanks valdyn |
| 17:08.33 | valdyn | genoobie: or some people here might know what happens at which percentage |
| 17:08.38 | valdyn | ( i dont ) |
| 17:08.55 | ser | how to make debootstrap to use "contrib non-free" as well? |
| 17:09.02 | valdyn | odds are its an unsupported network card.. |
| 17:09.11 | genoobie | oh crap |
| 17:09.13 | valdyn | ser: whats the point of that? |
| 17:09.15 | genoobie | now I'm really stuck |
| 17:09.18 | genoobie | newb here |
| 17:09.23 | genoobie | it gave me a console |
| 17:09.26 | valdyn | genoobie: why are you "really stuck" ? |
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| 17:09.29 | genoobie | I have a # |
| 17:09.34 | valdyn | genoobie: theres several consoles |
| 17:09.39 | genoobie | and almost no clue where to go... |
| 17:09.42 | ser | valdyn: I: Checking component main on ftp://mir1.ovh.net/debian... |
| 17:09.42 | ser | E: Couldn't find these debs: qmailanalog-installer |
| 17:09.49 | genoobie | valdyn, it asked for a .bin |
| 17:09.54 | genoobie | which I loaded onto a usb stick |
| 17:09.54 | valdyn | genoobie: go to the next etc, the debugging could be at alt-f7, I have nfc, just try and see |
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| 17:10.19 | genoobie | then i pushed alt-f2 |
| 17:10.34 | genoobie | it says press enter to activate the console, so I ded |
| 17:10.37 | genoobie | *did |
| 17:10.45 | genoobie | is it still looking for the .bin? |
| 17:10.51 | valdyn | genoobie: thats not particularily useful atm, but it doesnt hurt |
| 17:12.05 | valdyn | ser: yes, sure |
| 17:12.05 | genoobie | valdyn, I cycled through alt+f<whatever> |
| 17:12.17 | valdyn | genoobie: one of those has the debugging messages |
| 17:12.20 | genoobie | one window was repeating network is down |
| 17:12.23 | ser | valdyn: ok --component==main,contrib,non-free |
| 17:12.26 | genoobie | can find umount |
| 17:12.28 | ser | valdyn: thanks :) |
| 17:12.30 | genoobie | that's probably the problem |
| 17:12.36 | valdyn | genoobie: good, thats a problem, that the network is down |
| 17:12.44 | genoobie | so it's stuck on the network .bin firmware |
| 17:12.54 | genoobie | do you have a sec to help me? |
| 17:13.00 | valdyn | genoobie: no |
| 17:13.01 | genoobie | so I shut it down |
| 17:13.23 | genoobie | and restarted to get to the point where it gets stuck |
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| 17:14.12 | genoobie | I probably need to mount the usb stick |
| 17:14.24 | genoobie | before it asks for the .bin |
| 17:14.31 | genoobie | but I'm not sure how to do this |
| 17:15.43 | valdyn | genoobie: why do you think theres an issue with the .bin when the message is "network down" ? |
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| 17:16.17 | valdyn | genoobie: and since when is any .bin file part of usb install? |
| 17:16.23 | genoobie | well, it wants firmware for the network card |
| 17:16.30 | valdyn | genoobie: i see |
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| 17:16.44 | genoobie | and I have it on a USB stick |
| 17:16.49 | valdyn | genoobie: you can fix it in that console you were at, alt-f2 |
| 17:16.56 | genoobie | but I don't know how to tell the installer to find it |
| 17:17.11 | genoobie | so go ahead, put the USB stick in? |
| 17:17.21 | genoobie | say yes at the prompt and then alt-f2? |
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| 17:17.48 | valdyn | genoobie: how to get firmware loaded is in the Installation guide |
| 17:18.15 | genoobie | valdyn, there's an installation guide? |
| 17:18.39 | valdyn | http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch06s04.html |
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| 17:19.29 | coolkehon | how would i setup full disk encryption on debian |
| 17:19.38 | coolkehon | i'd like to do it during install |
| 17:20.48 | genoobie | valdyn, sadly, it just tells me where the firmware pkgs are |
| 17:20.53 | genoobie | I already have the firmware |
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| 17:21.22 | valdyn | genoobie: reading is hard |
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| 17:21.35 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:22.00 | genoobie | but I'd have to mount the USB |
| 17:22.32 | genoobie | valdyn, the .bin is in the root of the USB |
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| 17:23.14 | PyroPhelia | how do you update modules in 2.6? |
| 17:23.14 | genoobie | frig frig frig |
| 17:23.45 | valdyn | genoobie: i dont see that you have to mount it manually |
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| 17:23.57 | valdyn | genoobie: but maybe this mechanism is broken, or your firmware is wrong |
| 17:24.00 | PyroPhelia | ie. what is update-modules in 2.6? |
| 17:24.04 | genoobie | there's a worse problem |
| 17:24.05 | genoobie | bbl |
| 17:24.06 | n-iCe | hello |
| 17:24.29 | valdyn | PyroPhelia: why would you need "update-modules" ? |
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| 17:24.59 | valdyn | PyroPhelia: its obsolete for a very long time |
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| 17:26.22 | Matic`Makovec | Hey there. So I'm trying to set up, or better, start up pureftpd on my Debian 5.0 . I'm doing that by /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd-mysql start but thing seems not to be starting nor putting anything into the logs I've checked. Any hints what did I miss maybe? |
| 17:26.33 | valdyn | PyroPhelia: for all i know update-modules was last used for 2.4 kernels and modutils, both hasnt been supported by debian for a while |
| 17:26.37 | PyroPhelia | just added a bonding interface to /etc/modprobe.d/arch/x86_64 and i'm not sure how to activate the new bond |
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| 17:27.19 | valdyn | PyroPhelia: to bad i know about nothing about bonding, but i dont even think thats the right place |
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| 17:27.34 | PyroPhelia | http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/bonding.htm |
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| 17:27.48 | PyroPhelia | well that doc says where to add it for a 2.6 kernel |
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| 17:28.00 | valdyn | PyroPhelia: are you aware of the age of that text? |
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| 17:28.14 | cirzgamanti` | hi, does anybody know what the process "exe" might be? (debian testing) |
| 17:28.19 | valdyn | !sarge |
| 17:28.20 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for Debian version 3.1, released June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 2008-03-31, this release is no longer supported. Sarge users should upgrade to Etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. Removed from the mirrors; ask me about <sarge sources.list>, <sarge-backports>. Get old Sarge ISOs here: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/3.1_r8/ http://wiki.debian.org/DebianSarge |
| 17:28.30 | valdyn | PyroPhelia: somewhere in 2005 ? |
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| 17:29.40 | PyroPhelia | how much has ifenslave changed all the options they talk about are identical |
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| 17:30.22 | valdyn | http://www.howtoforge.com/nic-bonding-on-debian-lenny |
| 17:30.29 | valdyn | PyroPhelia: not that much changed in fact |
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| 17:30.52 | PyroPhelia | thats what I thought |
| 17:31.08 | valdyn | PyroPhelia: obviously i cant have read this completely, maybe you just need to /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 17:31.11 | PyroPhelia | the problem though is that after a restart i'm getting eth0 still instead of bond0 |
| 17:31.16 | zig_ | Anyone here have experience with neatX? |
| 17:31.25 | valdyn | PyroPhelia: this link is for a current debian release, contrary to the one you followed |
| 17:31.25 | PyroPhelia | yea I ran the restart script already |
| 17:31.43 | gooest_007 | hello, does the last/previous debian kernel is vulnerable? recently found this: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/36038/discuss , do i have to worry? |
| 17:32.11 | valdyn | gooest_007: you have local users? |
| 17:32.16 | Titan8990 | gooest_007, fairly certain that has been patched |
| 17:32.20 | gooest_007 | i have web server __))) |
| 17:32.26 | valdyn | gooest_007: thats not local users |
| 17:32.27 | gooest_007 | a couple of them |
| 17:32.36 | valdyn | gooest_007: a shell server would be local users |
| 17:32.36 | Titan8990 | there was another null pointer dereference found prior to that one, which I know was patched |
| 17:32.40 | gooest_007 | www-data is not user? |
| 17:32.50 | valdyn | gooest_007: web users cannot run their code |
| 17:32.53 | Titan8990 | gooest_007, its a system user, not a luser |
| 17:33.03 | Titan8990 | gooest_007, an luser or "local user" is a real person |
| 17:33.18 | valdyn | gooest_007: or if your webserver lets users run code then you are in deep shit with or without a local hole |
| 17:33.36 | gooest_007 | what aabout php? :) with exec ? |
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| 17:33.51 | valdyn | gooest_007: we cannot evaluate how secure your php scripts are |
| 17:34.00 | gooest_007 | i can't disable it and why should i? i jsut want to check if my kernel is up to date |
| 17:34.05 | valdyn | gooest_007: but thats *your* scripts, not the scripts of users |
| 17:34.16 | gooest_007 | php scripts are insecure by itself. |
| 17:34.22 | valdyn | gooest_007: nonsense |
| 17:34.37 | gooest_007 | ok, i'll find out myself. |
| 17:34.39 | gooest_007 | thanks |
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| 17:35.40 | valdyn | theres so many local dos holes, not even worth patching one |
| 17:36.28 | Titan8990 | valdyn, uhh, that vuln is a bit more severe than a dos |
| 17:36.36 | Arrowmaster | installing php is like putting the keys to your house inside a fake rock, except the fake rock is bright pink |
| 17:36.37 | valdyn | Titan8990: yea, true |
| 17:37.07 | nsadmin | gooest_007: www-data actually names two things: a user and a group. |
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| 17:37.45 | valdyn | gooest_007: the secure debian kernel is listed at securityfocus |
| 17:38.16 | valdyn | gooest_007: which seems to imply that debian provided a patch ;) |
| 17:38.19 | nsadmin | and php kinda looks like perl... you might as well learn perl |
| 17:38.40 | nsadmin | oh, is that Seifried's site? |
| 17:38.40 | valdyn | nsadmin: because perl is more secure? |
| 17:38.56 | nsadmin | I dunno how secure it is |
| 17:39.07 | valdyn | nsadmin: i just followed the link he gave us asking if debian had a patch |
| 17:39.14 | gooest_007 | I have a lot of servers with different users. i can't control it |
| 17:39.17 | nsadmin | either way you're looking at an interpreted script |
| 17:39.42 | gooest_007 | s/it/them/ |
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| 17:40.15 | gooest_007 | my mate just got rooted, so i am alert |
| 17:40.50 | TrueDD | Howdy |
| 17:41.25 | nsadmin | gooest_007: did he have local users too? |
| 17:41.46 | gooest_007 | no, he had a hole in php software |
| 17:42.08 | nsadmin | a null ptr dereference? |
| 17:42.30 | nkuttler | hm, from php exploit to root is a long way |
| 17:42.33 | nsadmin | has no one ever heard of lint? :P |
| 17:42.51 | nsadmin | especially lclint |
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| 17:44.40 | nsadmin | there'd be less exploits out there if more C programmers knew what they were doing |
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| 17:46.12 | abrotman | nsadmin: because no other languages allow for the same kinds of errors |
| 17:46.40 | nsadmin | you mean other than C? or other than php? |
| 17:46.44 | bejelith | hi all, i need help for my rsyslog.. i would send all *mail messages to mail.log, here ok, but the *.mail goes to syslog.log too, how to prevent this? |
| 17:46.54 | abrotman | nsadmin: yes |
| 17:46.59 | abrotman | and it was sarcasm |
| 17:47.04 | Titan8990 | I would imagine that hes talking about the language with strcpy and pointer arithmetic |
| 17:47.07 | nsadmin | so -both-... :) |
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| 17:47.40 | paradoxmonkey | I'm doing a debian compact flash install. I have mounted all /var as tmpfs and root as read-only. I just wonder should I mount /etc as read-and-write? |
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| 17:48.18 | nsadmin | you wouldn't have /etc as a partition separate from / |
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| 17:48.50 | nsadmin | unless you like pain as it would apply when you try to work out how to get both / and /etc mounted at boot |
| 17:48.51 | Titan8990 | I would imagine that atleast /etc/mtab needs to be writable |
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| 17:49.47 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: Not only that but /etc/resolv.conf... |
| 17:49.59 | nsadmin | paradoxmonkey: why are you mounting /etc? :) |
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| 17:50.31 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: I was thinking that I could mount /etc as read-write and everything else read-only |
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| 17:50.47 | Absolute0 | In latex "Cybernetics–Part B, 26 (1): 29–41." turns to garbage do I need to escape any of those characters? |
| 17:50.51 | nsadmin | but you're trying to install debian? |
| 17:51.05 | nsadmin | or what are you trying to do? |
| 17:51.10 | Titan8990 | paradoxmonkey, uh, /tmp and /var need to be writable too |
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| 17:51.22 | nsadmin | you need everyting writable when you install |
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| 17:51.42 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: I have a debootstrapped sys I'm planing to put onto a cf-card |
| 17:52.02 | nsadmin | oh, so you're not installing so much as copying |
| 17:52.05 | DogBoy | he's asking about how to limit writes after install |
| 17:52.17 | DogBoy | since it's flash |
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| 17:52.23 | nsadmin | oh... my bad |
| 17:52.52 | nsadmin | right, you want to limit writes because writes limit lifetime of the card |
| 17:52.57 | DogBoy | that's my guess anyway, since he didn't say that |
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| 17:53.31 | nsadmin | how much ram is on that machine? |
| 17:53.34 | paradoxmonkey | Titan8990: yeah I know. Anyhow I tried to symlink /etc/resolv.conf to /tmp/resolv.conf, creating the file before /sbin/dhclient-script runs but that stupid scripts deletes the resolv.conf file and then complains that it can not chmod it |
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| 17:54.23 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: It does have 1G of RAM |
| 17:54.33 | john0x17 | hi ppl, anyone knows any issue with libgtkhtml-editor-common package (evolution claims to use a file that doesn't exist, but apt-file says it does: /usr/share/gtkhtml-3.14/gtkhtml-editor.ui) ?? |
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| 17:54.43 | nsadmin | so your /tmp could be a tmpfs |
| 17:54.49 | paradoxmonkey | And yes I'm trying to limit writes to the cf-card |
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| 17:55.20 | nsadmin | I guess you could try arranging it so that every time you power up, it copies / into a ramdisk |
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| 17:55.43 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: well it /tmp is tmpfs but as I said earlier /sbin/dhclient-script deletes what it needs |
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| 17:56.51 | nsadmin | there's already initrd images that exist so that debian doesn't have to compile umpteen different kernels to support different disk devices in the kernel |
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| 17:57.38 | nsadmin | your /usr can be on the cf |
| 17:57.55 | nsadmin | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.00 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: I create /tmp/resolv.conf at boot with is symlinked to /etc/resolv.conf. Then /sbin/dhclient-script deletes resolv.conf and then complains it can not chmod it. |
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| 17:58.20 | nsadmin | I understand... |
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| 17:58.54 | nsadmin | if your / was read into ram and then mounted, that problem would go away |
| 17:59.04 | paradoxmonkey | nsaadmin: So I need to figure out why /sbin/dhclient-script deletes resolv.conf... |
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| 18:00.01 | nsadmin | what is this device? |
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| 18:00.08 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: yes but that depends how big root is... and that memory could be used elsewhere... |
| 18:00.16 | nsadmin | true |
| 18:00.23 | nsadmin | what's the purpose of the machine? |
| 18:00.41 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: router/fileserver |
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| 18:01.58 | nsadmin | do you have storage other than ram and the cf card? |
| 18:02.15 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: no |
| 18:02.42 | nsadmin | ok, is this router going to be exposed to the net? |
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| 18:03.33 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: yes, iptables is gone to do firewall. and I know it's not good to have it on the same machine but I'm not made of money :P |
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| 18:04.34 | nsadmin | you can use ipmasq which uses iptables, btw. if you're doing a NAT router, you should look into it |
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| 18:05.29 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: thx for the tip, but still I do have the problem of /etc |
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| 18:05.39 | tuliohm | How can i know the url to the temporary file that the flash player is downloading? example: youtube videos... |
| 18:05.59 | nsadmin | I'm not sure it's a problem if you're doing a file server |
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| 18:06.30 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: well it is since many startup scripts expect to write to /etc at boot |
| 18:07.01 | nsadmin | for example, these writes only happen at boot... how many writes do you expect when running it as a file server? |
| 18:07.38 | DogBoy | how often do you expect to restart the machine paradoxmonkey |
| 18:07.57 | paradoxmonkey | Not very often... |
| 18:08.00 | nsadmin | maybe you don't expect client machines to post files to the server? |
| 18:08.12 | nsadmin | more often than once / boot? |
| 18:08.16 | DogBoy | what is the machine to do paradoxmonkey |
| 18:08.34 | nsadmin | DogBoy: NAT router and file server |
| 18:08.49 | paradoxmonkey | well the machine is going to have storage connected via esata |
| 18:09.02 | nsadmin | oh. why not put linux on that? |
| 18:09.14 | DogBoy | on what |
| 18:09.24 | nsadmin | on the esata storage |
| 18:09.44 | DogBoy | what kind of machine are you talking about paradoxmonkey |
| 18:10.09 | nsadmin | is it one of those sheevathingys?\ |
| 18:10.23 | DogBoy | heh |
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| 18:10.46 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: since file are already stored on the esata drives and I don't want to reformat them and to little space for linux |
| 18:10.56 | nsadmin | I would want a sheeva with 2 nics, then I can do a routers |
| 18:11.07 | paradoxmonkey | No it's an Intel Atom board |
| 18:11.23 | DogBoy | I have several machines running from cf |
| 18:11.37 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: yeah, I searched for a sheeva with 2 nics but couldn't find one |
| 18:11.47 | nsadmin | DogBoy: then you're of much more use to him than I am |
| 18:12.05 | nsadmin | paradoxmonkey: same here, so I gave up on that idea |
| 18:12.40 | paradoxmonkey | DogBoy: your cf-card machines are root mounted as read-only? |
| 18:12.51 | DogBoy | not really |
| 18:12.54 | DogBoy | heh |
| 18:13.15 | nsadmin | DogBoy: how much did you do to prevent writes yourself? |
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| 18:13.24 | DogBoy | I forget exactly |
| 18:13.28 | DogBoy | but I did do some |
| 18:13.37 | DogBoy | running for over a year now |
| 18:13.40 | paradoxmonkey | Well I could mount root as read-write after mountall.sh and remount root as read-only after boot, wouldn't that work? |
| 18:14.23 | DogBoy | from what I have read when cf fails it turns into read only anyway |
| 18:14.30 | DogBoy | at least at first |
| 18:15.14 | nsadmin | what;'s the life expectancy? |
| 18:15.30 | DogBoy | there is a lot of talk about limiting the writes to cf but not much about the benefits of doing so vs not doing so |
| 18:15.34 | DogBoy | no real tests |
| 18:15.46 | DogBoy | yea it's not gonna last as long as a hard drive |
| 18:17.11 | paradoxmonkey | Mounting /tmp, /var as tmpfs is a good way to limit writing, perhaps one should just let everything else be read-write? |
| 18:17.19 | nsadmin | paradoxmonkey: and you have zero unpartitioned space on the esata stuff?\ |
| 18:18.05 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: unfortunately yes... and to make matters worse it's formated as ntfs - since it was in a windows box some time ago |
| 18:18.25 | DogBoy | paradoxmonkey, how much did you cf cost |
| 18:18.51 | nsadmin | hmm. so you're going to be running linux and ntfs-?? whatever that newer driver that knows how to write is |
| 18:19.20 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, ntfs-3g, runs in userspace via fuse |
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| 18:19.20 | paradoxmonkey | DogBoy: I don't remember but defiantly under $15 |
| 18:19.29 | nsadmin | can you backup the esata? |
| 18:19.31 | DogBoy | paradoxmonkey, so what's the big deal |
| 18:19.40 | DogBoy | if it fails you buy another one |
| 18:19.45 | DogBoy | if/when |
| 18:19.52 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: I have no space left on my other drives... :( |
| 18:19.56 | km | we a have huge CRLs about 500mb that seem to take up 99% of the memory usage and cause the the apache server to hang. any thoughts/suggtions? |
| 18:20.11 | nsadmin | so the filesystems are also full? |
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| 18:20.45 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: I have like 10% free space - not enough to backup the drive |
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| 18:20.53 | nsadmin | oic |
| 18:20.58 | setuid_ | What does this mean? |
| 18:21.02 | nsadmin | how large is it? |
| 18:21.07 | setuid_ | 99% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor |
| 18:21.08 | setuid_ | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
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| 18:21.20 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: one drive is 500G and the other one is 200G |
| 18:21.39 | nsadmin | two separate filesystems, one per drive? |
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| 18:21.47 | setuid_ | gah, I don't have /dev in this chroot. DOH! |
| 18:21.55 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: ntfs on both drives |
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| 18:22.25 | Titan8990 | setuid_, mount it |
| 18:22.30 | nsadmin | paradoxmonkey: so they;'re not raided or appended? they're separate and could be used separately? |
| 18:22.47 | Titan8990 | setuid_, mount -o bind /dev /mnt/foobar/dev |
| 18:22.48 | setuid_ | Titan8990, it's a backup of an entire remote system, I'm trying to replicate what I have on my webhost, locally |
| 18:22.50 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: yes |
| 18:23.37 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: I have my files there and will be sharing them via samba |
| 18:23.57 | nsadmin | so you have some vague possibilities but you don't want to mess with the FSes |
| 18:24.48 | DogBoy | paradoxmonkey, there is some info here about limiting writes: http://www.rawsontetley.org/ref_slug.html |
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| 18:25.08 | nsadmin | the only concrete possibility I could think of is if you have another drive laying arounde |
| 18:25.19 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: correct, since the drives are esata they can be removed and the router will fail. So the cf card is a nice approach.. |
| 18:25.20 | setuid_ | Titan8990, Is it possible to create some sort of virtual server inside this chroot, so I can run that as the actual server? |
| 18:25.31 | setuid_ | Titan8990, something like a vm, but without having to install everything inside vmware |
| 18:25.53 | setuid_ | IOW, I want to route all public traffic into this tree |
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| 18:26.26 | Titan8990 | setuid_, if you mount /dev/ and /proc from the host system it should be fully functional. However, as far as virtual server goes I doubt you will get far due to them sharing the same devices/hardware |
| 18:26.32 | paradoxmonkey | DogBoy: thx, but it still doesn't say what to do with /etc when it needs to be writable at boot |
| 18:26.44 | DogBoy | that's cause it's not that big a deal paradoxmonkey |
| 18:26.48 | DogBoy | heh |
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| 18:27.17 | setuid_ | Titan8990, What is the best way to replicate a running, working server on top of an existing server? I'm terminating my contract with my hosting company, and I want to run the exact same thing locally on my own network. |
| 18:27.33 | setuid_ | I can't just rsync this into vmware, that won't work |
| 18:27.57 | DogBoy | .:DogBoy:. how often do you expect to restart the machine paradoxmonkey |
| 18:27.57 | DogBoy | .:paradoxmonkey:. Not very often... |
| 18:27.59 | nsadmin | paradoxmonkey: so I take it no spare drives that could be connected? |
| 18:27.59 | setuid_ | ...not to mention the performance hit will be significant, and NAT will be challenging |
| 18:28.00 | paradoxmonkey | DogBoy: well it is to me when things like dhcp fails cause of it |
| 18:28.15 | Titan8990 | setuid_, why can't you just rsync into a VM? |
| 18:28.24 | DogBoy | well, if you say so paradoxmonkey |
| 18:28.32 | setuid_ | Titan8990, It won't boot, very likely... I guess I could give it a try though |
| 18:28.47 | setuid_ | it's 28G of data |
| 18:28.55 | Titan8990 | setuid_, why wouldn't it boot? you would just need to write grub to the MBR |
| 18:29.01 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: nop no other drives to connect |
| 18:29.16 | jelly-home | setuid_: it should boot, after reconfiguring the boot loader and fstab. And perhaps some drivers if needed. |
| 18:29.16 | Titan8990 | setuid_, boot a livecd in the VM and it should be basically the same as deboostrap install |
| 18:29.21 | DogBoy | paradoxmonkey, why do you expect it to fail |
| 18:29.25 | nsadmin | paradoxmonkey: you should consider reducing your NTFS partitions and making lvm PVs on it/them |
| 18:29.25 | Titan8990 | setuid_, only with your backup instead of debootstrap |
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| 18:30.26 | setuid_ | Ok, giving that a shot now |
| 18:30.26 | setuid_ | I have vmware server running on the target machine |
| 18:30.26 | paradoxmonkey | nsadmin: well I'm still locked in into the cf-card options since my case is small and I already have the cf-reader setup |
| 18:30.26 | setuid_ | Waaaaaiiit... can't I just point vmware to the directory itself? |
| 18:30.38 | setuid_ | Does it have to be inside an actual .vmdk file? |
| 18:31.06 | paradoxmonkey | DogBoy: well if it doesn't fail it floads the terminal with error msg |
| 18:31.23 | DogBoy | and you have seen this happen paradoxmonkey ? |
| 18:32.04 | Titan8990 | setuid_, yes, it needs to be a hard disk image |
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| 18:33.05 | setuid_ | hrm, I could put a second SATA drive in the server, and tell vmware to create the OS on that physical drive |
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| 18:34.13 | paradoxmonkey | DogBoy: yes, dhclient-script can't create resolv.conf etc |
| 18:34.46 | DogBoy | paradoxmonkey, you're trying to fix some problem that you have actually seen happen or something you imagine will happen? |
| 18:34.48 | Zvpun | How can I monitor my privat LAN (with windows and linux boxes) and see who's using how much network bandwidth? |
| 18:35.03 | setuid_ | Zvpun, sar, nagios, ganglia |
| 18:35.11 | DogBoy | paradoxmonkey, you have installed to cf and had the cf fail on you? |
| 18:35.26 | paradoxmonkey | DogBoy: I have seen it happen, I wouldn't ask otherwise without trying it out |
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| 18:36.08 | DogBoy | good luck paradoxmonkey |
| 18:36.10 | paradoxmonkey | DogBoy: No I have not a cf fail on me. I'm trying to limit writes to the cf-card |
| 18:36.39 | DogBoy | yes I figured, you're trying to solve a problem you have modeled mentally |
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| 18:37.45 | paradoxmonkey | DogBoy: what? so are you telling me that a cf card can be written to endlessly? |
| 18:37.45 | DogBoy | you said you don't expect to reboot the machine often but somehow writes to /etc are a problem |
| 18:37.48 | Titan8990 | !xy problem |
| 18:37.48 | dpkg | [xy problem] that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are looking too closely at a problem: they have got stuck at a particular point (Y) doing something (X) and so ask about step Y, not realising that there is an easier or better way to do X in the first place. See http://wooledge.org/mywiki/XyProblem and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem |
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| 18:38.04 | paradoxmonkey | DogBoy: limiting writes = longer life time |
| 18:38.05 | DogBoy | I'm saying the problem is one of perception |
| 18:38.27 | DogBoy | yea but you're spinning your wheels over something that is of little consequence |
| 18:38.42 | DogBoy | the same is true of a hard drive |
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| 18:38.57 | DogBoy | they just last longer |
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| 18:39.55 | dkr | I doubt hard drives last longer than brains. :) |
| 18:40.09 | paradoxmonkey | DogBoy: Another thing is if root is mounted read-write the fs can be corrupted on power failure |
| 18:40.23 | unlofl | luckily, brains fail at a much lower rate, can't have 3% of the population go mad per year can we? |
| 18:40.38 | DogBoy | you're solving problems that you have not yet experienced |
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| 18:40.45 | setuid_ | thinks it is much higher than 3% |
| 18:41.10 | DogBoy | trying to save writes to a $15 cf |
| 18:41.15 | Zvpun | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem doesnt exist |
| 18:41.17 | unlofl | gave a conservative estimate, google says ~6% for some production batches |
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| 18:41.30 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: /etc doesn't need to be writable at boot; you can easily make it read-only. |
| 18:42.02 | dondelelcaro | some changes to init scripts and some symlinks will need to be done, but that's all quite possible |
| 18:42.03 | Titan8990 | Zvpun, the first link to greg's wiki does work |
| 18:42.23 | setuid_ | wonders what running update-grub inside a chroot, will do to the actual host's disk layout |
| 18:42.25 | Titan8990 | dondelelcaro, zvpun just pointed out a dead link in !xy problem |
| 18:42.30 | unlofl | whats going on now? hes just trying to build the system on a cf card? |
| 18:42.50 | unlofl | cf raid? |
| 18:42.52 | DogBoy | it's not really necessary though |
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| 18:43.10 | DogBoy | I'm running a file server now with cf and 1t drive |
| 18:43.19 | unlofl | well, that's silly |
| 18:43.21 | DogBoy | no smoke is coming out |
| 18:43.38 | unlofl | why the cf? just to avoid putting your os on the 1tb drive? |
| 18:43.43 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: well that's the thing /sbin/dhclient-script need to be modifed somehow since it deletes /tmp/resolv.conf (/etc/resolv.conf is symlinked to /tmp/resolv.conf, and /tmp is tmpfs) |
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| 18:43.50 | setuid_ | Not really... booting systems from CF is pretty standard, and a good way to secure them and keep them cool |
| 18:43.50 | DogBoy | what does the os have to do with the drive |
| 18:44.29 | dondelelcaro | Titan8990: so? Fix it. |
| 18:44.31 | unlofl | you have a single 1tb hard drive for you data on the server, and I assume its mounted to /home or some other sensible mount point, and the os boots from cf? |
| 18:44.34 | unlofl | correct? |
| 18:44.44 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: that's why you use resolveconf |
| 18:44.56 | nsadmin | unlofl: he doesn't want to reduce the NTFS partitions on the drive; he has no way to back them up |
| 18:45.06 | nsadmin | unlofl: and no spare drives |
| 18:45.06 | DogBoy | and unlofl |
| 18:45.18 | Titan8990 | dondelelcaro, sorry, thought only ops could modify the bot's factoids |
| 18:45.18 | setuid_ | There are lots of valid reasons to boot from CF or other read-only/removable media |
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| 18:45.32 | dondelelcaro | Titan8990: /msg dpkg help; if you want to know how to do it |
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| 18:46.25 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: what is resolveconf? |
| 18:46.36 | DogBoy | cheap, cool, no noise |
| 18:46.37 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: apt-cache show is your friend. |
| 18:46.40 | DogBoy | no fan noise |
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| 18:47.49 | dzjazooma | Anyone with knowledge about gnome here? I want to send keystrokes to any gnome window not from the keyboard, but from a shellscript. How can this be realised? |
| 18:48.28 | Zvpun | dzjazooma: sounds horrible. |
| 18:48.35 | DogBoy | heh |
| 18:48.45 | DogBoy | doesn't expect do that |
| 18:49.07 | dzjazooma | zvpun: but how can it be done? |
| 18:49.14 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: so I should install resolvconf and move /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf to /tmp? |
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| 18:50.24 | Titan8990 | dondelelcaro, can I get a hint on which of these 106 commands I should be reading up on? "help" just dumps a list of commands to get more help on.. although im sure you knew that |
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| 18:51.01 | dondelelcaro | Titan8990: corrections |
| 18:51.10 | Titan8990 | dondelelcaro, thanks |
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| 18:51.19 | keith4 | DAMMIT |
| 18:51.21 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: just install resolvconf. It handles everything else |
| 18:51.22 | keith4 | I love debian |
| 18:51.22 | braunkraut | hey there |
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| 18:52.30 | braunkraut | I have to setup zimbra for a client as a demo, but zimbra network version doesn't support lenny just yet. I'm thinking of just boostrapping etch in a subdir and running zimbra chrooted. Is there anything that speaks against boostrapping etch on lenny? |
| 18:53.21 | Titan8990 | dondelelcaro, alright, its clear on how I would get it to change an existing link to a new link but its not really clear how I would just remove a link |
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| 18:54.13 | Titan8990 | also, how does it handle two links? e.g. it has two link and I say "no, x is at http://foobar.com", how does it know which of the two links to replace? |
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| 18:54.56 | Aquarina | is someone using splashy with gnome2 and gfxpayload=keep option? |
| 18:55.01 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: xy problem =~ s# and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_problem## |
| 18:55.02 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: OK |
| 18:55.07 | dondelelcaro | Titan8990: see above |
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| 18:55.47 | dondelelcaro | braunkraut: use cdebootstrap or debootstrap to do it; they have rather complete manpages |
| 18:56.22 | braunkraut | dondelelcaro: I've done it before for chrooted daemons, was just curious if this would work. |
| 18:56.26 | Titan8990 | dondelelcaro, I see.. thats quite a bit different than the "corrections" help. Is there somewhere I can reference that? |
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| 18:56.43 | braunkraut | can't thinkg of a reason why it wouldn't just wanted to see if there were any gotchas before I started |
| 18:57.25 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: thx, resolvconf, just worked :). Now what to do with samba as it tries to write to /etc at boot |
| 18:57.27 | paradoxmonkey | ? |
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| 18:58.21 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: see where it's writing to, and fix it not to do that |
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| 18:58.36 | ubsafder | how do i find the gcc that compiled my kernel ? |
| 18:58.39 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: you're doing a non-standard setup; you can do the reasearch on how to fix it... it's not too terribly complicated |
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| 18:59.00 | setuid_ | Why would update-grub bring my system load to over 7.37? |
| 18:59.08 | DogBoy | plus it's not really a problem anyway |
| 18:59.10 | setuid_ | Nothing else is running, load was 0.0 before I ran it |
| 18:59.26 | setuid_ | grub-probe is eating 100% of the cpu, been sitting there for abotu 6 minutes |
| 18:59.37 | setuid_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.37 | setuid_ | 31507 root 20 0 3956 716 524 R 100 0.0 0:41.30 grub-probe |
| 18:59.39 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: I need to fix this for every damn program, why not just mount root as read-write under boot |
| 18:59.53 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: there are only a few that write to /etc. |
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| 19:00.12 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: your alternative is to use unionfs or similar to overmount a temp filesystem |
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| 19:01.52 | DogBoy | there's some info here too paradoxmonkey : http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/linux-on-flash.html |
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| 19:02.29 | DogBoy | and here: http://www.pcprobleemloos.nl/nslu2/doku.php#preventing_flash_writes_reduce_wear_on_flash_memory |
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| 19:04.00 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: So I can use unionfs to mount /etc as read-write? |
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| 19:04.38 | dondelelcaro | paradoxmonkey: no. you mount /etc/ as read-only, and then overmount a read-write partition which is backed by ram. |
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| 19:12.03 | paradoxmonkey | dondelelcaro: Would mounting root as read-write just during boot a bad idea? |
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| 19:17.38 | ratono | hi |
| 19:17.41 | ratono | i can't connect via VNC to my computer with the tightvncserver |
| 19:17.57 | ratono | i opened the port 5900 |
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| 19:19.14 | ratono | I can connect to my computer to another machine with tightvnc but not on the contrary |
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| 19:19.40 | iceroot | ratono: nmap -p 5900 thevncserver |
| 19:19.56 | ratono | wait... |
| 19:20.31 | ratono | brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 19:20.33 | ratono | 5900/tcp closed vnc |
| 19:20.36 | ratono | closed! |
| 19:20.42 | ratono | how??? |
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| 19:21.07 | iceroot | closed = nothing running on that port filtered = blocked by firewall |
| 19:21.22 | iceroot | so because of close, it seems vnc is not running on the server |
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| 19:22.01 | zig_ | I wish there was a debian package for neatx |
| 19:22.37 | babilen | zig_: make one |
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| 19:22.43 | wildc4rd | evenin' all |
| 19:22.45 | ratono | i don't have firewall, only on router |
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| 19:23.11 | unlofl | ratono: are you sure about that? what kind of router is it? |
| 19:23.12 | iceroot | ratono: run nmap -p 5900 localhost on the vncserver |
| 19:23.13 | ratono | iceroot: ps -eLf | grep vnc |
| 19:23.13 | ratono | ratono 4877 1 4877 0 1 20:20 ? 00:00:00 Xtightvnc :1 -desktop X -auth /home/ratono/.Xauthority -geometry 800x600 -depth 16 ... |
| 19:23.31 | iceroot | ratono: ok, then open the port in the router |
| 19:23.37 | unlofl | port 5901, vnc uses port 5900+display number |
| 19:23.52 | ratono | i need open the 5901? |
| 19:24.05 | iceroot | unlofl: hm i am using 5900 |
| 19:24.22 | unlofl | I believe that tightvnc running on display :1 will listen on 5901 by default, but if you've set the port elsewhere it should work |
| 19:24.41 | zig_ | It seems to me that OpenNX + NeatX is vastly superior to VNC |
| 19:24.58 | unlofl | the default is to allow multiple vnc sessions, on different ports |
| 19:25.47 | ratono | ok, i try, thx to all |
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| 19:27.44 | manuel_ | hi |
| 19:28.01 | manuel_ | is it possible to "upgrade" from ubuntu to debian? |
| 19:29.12 | manuel_ | thanks |
| 19:29.27 | iceroot | manuel_: with a reinstall, yes |
| 19:29.30 | nsadmin | manuel_: no. but: you could save your /home, especially if it's on a separate partn |
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| 19:30.09 | nsadmin | like iceroot says, you would have to reinstall |
| 19:30.28 | ratono | ouch! ps -> Xtightvnc :1 ......... -rfbport 5901 |
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| 19:31.11 | manuel_ | ok i have the following layout: lvm encrypted in the lvm 4 part, 1 swap not encrypted , root, not enc. home enc. and data enc |
| 19:31.26 | manuel_ | is update possible? |
| 19:31.27 | nsadmin | lvm... 4?? |
| 19:31.39 | manuel_ | 4 partitions in the lvm |
| 19:31.44 | nsadmin | oh |
| 19:32.22 | nsadmin | you'd have to reinstall; do you have unpartitioned space and/or extra space in the vg? |
| 19:32.34 | manuel_ | no |
| 19:32.44 | manuel_ | but ext hdd encrypted |
| 19:32.45 | nsadmin | so the pv is maxed out? |
| 19:33.00 | manuel_ | yes |
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| 19:33.13 | nsadmin | hmm. that makes it harder |
| 19:33.23 | Titan8990 | nsadmin, I have just set mount point appropriately and set everything to format except for /home, worked well |
| 19:33.44 | Titan8990 | I don't see why that makes it harder (although you should always have some free space in your PV IMO) |
| 19:33.51 | manuel_ | does debain support encrypted partitions? |
| 19:33.56 | nsadmin | do you have a spare drive laying around? Titan8990: that could be a good option for him |
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| 19:34.08 | nsadmin | yes it does, to the extent the kernels do |
| 19:34.12 | manuel_ | yes have an extern hdd |
| 19:34.15 | manuel_ | ok |
| 19:34.49 | nsadmin | you could install just the base onto the extern, then copy it into wherever |
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| 19:35.25 | nsadmin | let me make sure here... you want to -leave- your ubuntu behind totally? |
| 19:35.55 | nsadmin | the safest option is to install the base onto the extern, then move it |
| 19:35.55 | manuel_ | yes |
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| 19:36.29 | nsadmin | then you don't have to wipe anything before you have a debian installed |
| 19:36.35 | manuel_ | how stable is testing these days? |
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| 19:36.50 | nsadmin | I dunno L:) |
| 19:36.54 | manuel_ | cause my laptop has to work its my only one and i need it for work |
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| 19:37.42 | nsadmin | well... hmm. I would back up before doing -anything- |
| 19:37.48 | Titan8990 | manuel_, then you should install lenny if you value stability |
| 19:37.52 | setuid | I just installed Debian from the amd64 netinst, bare-bones, nothing other than enough to boot and run a CLI userland. I noticed that it installed squeeze/sid, instead of testing. How can I downgrade it to testing from squeeze? |
| 19:37.55 | Titan8990 | and yes, backup is key |
| 19:38.11 | nsadmin | if it "has to work", you need the ability to get back to right where you are right now |
| 19:38.13 | Titan8990 | setuid, squeeze is testing |
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| 19:38.35 | setuid | it is? So why does it say squeeze/sid at boot? I thought sid was always unstable |
| 19:38.49 | ranix | setuid: bit of a nomenclature change, it used to say testing/unstable |
| 19:38.56 | nsadmin | it says that whether you have squeeze or sid |
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| 19:39.02 | manuel_ | i only had one major bug with testing years ago but otherwise it was fine for me |
| 19:39.19 | manuel_ | do you have problems with testing at the moment ? |
| 19:39.21 | dondelelcaro | setuid: the file that does that is in basefiles, which transitions from unstable to testing, so it has both values |
| 19:39.28 | setuid | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:39.28 | setuid | squeeze/sid |
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| 19:39.44 | nsadmin | manuel_: the answer to that question is researchable on the BTS |
| 19:40.01 | dondelelcaro | setuid: when we actually get close to release, it'll start claiming that it's just Squeeze, even if you're running unstable |
| 19:40.07 | ranix | setuid: as long as your sources.list says squeeze, you can be fairly sure you have squeeze if you know the machine's historu |
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| 19:40.20 | manuel_ | BTS? |
| 19:40.30 | setuid | ranix, I need the equivalent of amd64's lenny |
| 19:40.37 | ranix | setuid: so install lenny on it |
| 19:40.38 | setuid | IOW, whatever matches this: |
| 19:40.40 | setuid | # cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:40.40 | setuid | 5.0.3 |
| 19:40.41 | nsadmin | and my phrase "the answer" is not exactly what I meant... |
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| 19:40.54 | setuid | ranix, I thought I did, this is the same netinst I used to install another machine, which calls itself 5.0.3 |
| 19:40.56 | setuid | see above |
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| 19:41.05 | nsadmin | manuel_: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:41.12 | setuid | $ md5sum debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 19:41.12 | setuid | b81e9716c3722fa062fdda968f0f0bb5 debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 19:41.23 | setuid | ^ that says testing, but it's unstable? |
| 19:41.33 | ranix | <setuid> ... I noticed that it installed squeeze/sid, instead of testing. |
| 19:41.39 | nsadmin | setuid: dude, you gotta listen... |
| 19:41.40 | setuid | Exactly |
| 19:41.45 | nsadmin | it says that whether you have squeeze or sid |
| 19:41.45 | ranix | setuid: squeeze/sid IS testing |
| 19:41.51 | ranix | setuid: lenny is stable |
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| 19:42.03 | setuid | ranix, but two days ago, the same iso installed 5.0.3 |
| 19:42.21 | setuid | I'll change sources.list to reflect lenny and downgrade |
| 19:42.23 | nsadmin | which is the stable/ |
| 19:42.23 | ranix | setuid: you just said you wanted testing, you got testing |
| 19:42.27 | ranix | !downgrade |
| 19:42.27 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdn>. |
| 19:42.31 | setuid | I need this to be byte-for-byte matching what I have on a public webhost |
| 19:42.46 | setuid | ranix, so 5.0.3 is not testing then? |
| 19:42.59 | nsadmin | downgrade will never be possible; it was decided early on to -never- support downgrades |
| 19:43.01 | ranix | setuid: why do you think it is |
| 19:43.10 | setuid | ranix, because 2 days ago, that's what it installed |
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| 19:43.15 | setuid | Why? |
| 19:43.19 | ranix | setuid: you are confused |
| 19:43.21 | abrotman | setuid: what makes you think that ? |
| 19:43.25 | ranix | setuid: or you have burned a bad CD |
| 19:43.44 | nsadmin | because then maints would have to maintain both up -and- downgrade scripts |
| 19:43.50 | nsadmin | and they didn't want to. |
| 19:44.37 | neosmatrix_ | test |
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| 19:44.51 | nsadmin | since this was an early decision, it affects pretty much all of debiabn |
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| 19:45.00 | neosmatrix_ | ups...sorry |
| 19:45.24 | setuid | It's just odd that the same iso would install two different flavors of Debian, 2 days apart. |
| 19:46.15 | generalsnus | hi im trying to install ssh from a minimal install.. i use apt-get install ssh or openssh .. but it says it cant find any.. same goes for other packages i try aswell |
| 19:46.24 | setuid | generalsnus, openssh-client ssh |
| 19:46.55 | abrotman | openssh-server ? |
| 19:47.04 | generalsnus | didnt work |
| 19:47.04 | nsadmin | setuid: probably what happened, is the installer was run, it found a network early and configured it, and installed the base not from the cd (which is testing base), but from the net, where a stable source was chosen. |
| 19:47.22 | ranix | generalsnus: did you apt-get update? |
| 19:47.23 | setuid | nsadmin, you mean an unstable source |
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| 19:47.36 | nsadmin | no, 5.0.3 is stable |
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| 19:47.57 | setuid | The one I just installed from the iso, was done without any network. The 5.0.3 from the same iso, was done over KVM with LAN available. |
| 19:48.10 | manuel_ | would you recommend testing? |
| 19:48.10 | nsadmin | hmm. |
| 19:48.15 | setuid | I'd rather not run unstable on a production host |
| 19:48.32 | setuid | And I'd rather not reinstall everything from scratch :( |
| 19:49.11 | setuid | I'm going to re-fetch the iso from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.3/amd64/iso-cd/debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso and check |
| 19:49.15 | Titan8990 | setuid, but you would run testing on a production host? |
| 19:49.44 | nsadmin | setuid: under those conditions, I'm not sure it's possible to install testing... MAYBE what happened is the image file is older, refers to a testing when lenny was still testing, then was upgraded afterwards |
| 19:49.48 | setuid | Ok, this whole common name, numeric name nomenclature is confusing. What is 5.0.3? Is that testing? or stable? And what is the numeric designation for stable? |
| 19:49.59 | nsadmin | Titan8990: maybe two different people L:) |
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| 19:50.21 | Titan8990 | oh, must have been |
| 19:50.22 | generalsnus | setuid: i did apt-get update aswell, but trying openssh-server gives me: missing/obseleted no candidate |
| 19:50.26 | setuid | My public machine is running 5.0.3, calling itself lenny in sources.list |
| 19:50.30 | Titan8990 | setuid, stable is "lenny" 5.03 |
| 19:50.39 | nsadmin | setuid: for one thing, if it has a number it's stable |
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| 19:51.00 | setuid | Ok, so if I download debian-503-amd64-netinst.iso and install from that, it should give me 5.0.3, aka "stable" or "lenny", right? |
| 19:51.02 | ranix | setuid: are you trolling or what? If you want Lenny, grab a new iso and install Lenny. If you want Squeeze, you are done. |
| 19:51.54 | nsadmin | if it doesn't have a number yet, it's not released yet, altho it would still be available to download |
| 19:51.56 | unlofl | If I have two keyboards connected to my computer (both usb) is there an easy way to use one normally, and have one dedicated to special hotkeys? |
| 19:52.41 | unlofl | I have a gamepad like thing that is recognized as a usb keyboard, and I want to use it to change tracks in my music/lock screen/new term/various hotkeys |
| 19:53.25 | unlofl | the catch is I want "a" on my keyboard to type the letter "a" normally on my desktop environment (gnome), but "a" on the game pad to execute a script |
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| 19:54.14 | unlofl | I've been looking at keyloggers, hoping to find a simple "capture all input at device level" kind of solution, but no luck there |
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| 19:54.54 | unlofl | I mostly work on db/web applications, so I have no idea where to start on this hack, and googling for this just gets me tons of generic "keyboard hotkey broken help help" threads |
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| 19:55.39 | generalsnus | so whats wrong with my apt-get? whenever i try to install a package i get not found or no install candidate |
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| 19:56.00 | unlofl | does anyone know a good way to stop xorg from using a keyboard device, and then have your own background daemon that listens for events on that keyboard? |
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| 19:56.18 | unlofl | generalsnus: tried apt-get update? |
| 19:56.23 | generalsnus | yep |
| 19:56.29 | Titan8990 | generalsnus, did you use aptitude search <package> first? |
| 19:56.35 | unlofl | generalsnus: and apt-cache search SOMETHING shows the package you want? |
| 19:56.37 | abrotman | generalsnus: which package ? |
| 19:56.40 | Titan8990 | generalsnus, are you certain that the package exists? |
| 19:56.48 | abrotman | unlofl: uname -a |
| 19:57.24 | unlofl | abrotman: what? why uname? |
| 19:57.36 | setuid | reinstalls from scratch using the 5.0.3 iso instead of the 'testing' iso |
| 19:57.55 | generalsnus | ill try the search option.. btw the packages are: svgalib-bin zgv ssh |
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| 19:58.23 | Scurz | hi |
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| 19:58.41 | stew | unlofl: why not remap the key on the game pad to be a different keysym than 'a' ? |
| 19:58.54 | xingu | unlofl: setxkbmap(1): -device ? |
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| 19:59.24 | unlofl | stew: because it has windows-only utils for remapping, I can't change what the keys are recognized as |
| 19:59.27 | xingu | unlofl: you could probbaly automate with considered use of hal |
| 19:59.34 | stew | unlofl: yes you can |
| 19:59.37 | stew | unlofl: with hal |
| 19:59.43 | Scurz | I'm setting up a tunnel via ssh, with a ssh -N -f -L1080:localhos:80 me@myserver.tld, firefox now uses the port 80, when I try to visit a website, I get a blank page, what to do ? |
| 19:59.51 | Scurz | localhost* |
| 19:59.55 | xingu | unlofl: needless to say, xkb can hold per-device keymaps. |
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| 20:00.03 | phorce1 | unlofl: look at the keytouch package. It seems pretty customizeable but I haven't tried it with multiples |
| 20:00.10 | generalsnus | aptitude search ssh gives no feedback tho.. just a new line |
| 20:00.12 | unlofl | ahaha! hal, yeah, thats a part of my system I don't know how to configure |
| 20:00.17 | unlofl | puts on google goggles |
| 20:00.29 | ranix | can you see me |
| 20:01.08 | unlofl | ranix: no, just "buy ranix online- ranix without prescription" XD |
| 20:01.24 | ranix | I think I am a performance enhancer |
| 20:01.56 | unlofl | thanks everyone, I've been stuck on this project for a while not knowing where to start. Now I can dig into hal/xkbmap :) |
| 20:02.43 | generalsnus | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.44 | unlofl | hacking is much harder when its a "new" system that doesn't connect with what you normally work on :-/ |
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| 20:04.16 | Titan8990 | generalsnus, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:05.13 | generalsnus | ermh.. pastebin from a console? i have no desktop on the comp |
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| 20:08.32 | newsense | generalsnus: install pastebinit |
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| 20:10.03 | olpc | Is there a debian-stable repository for the chromium browser? I can't seem to find one, and the bugs.debian.org bug report links to an ubuntu repo. I managed to install Chrome (the branded version) using a debian package from Google, it said that this would add the Google debian repo to my system in order to get updates but it doesn't appear to have done so, and I can't find where this Google repo is to add it myself. The unbranded Chromium would |
| 20:10.08 | generalsnus | first one is: deb-src http... lenny main 2. deb http... security lenny/updates main 3. deb-src http.. security lenny/updates main 4. deb http.. volatile |
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| 20:10.38 | generalsnus | newsense: install? wish i could :P |
| 20:10.57 | adb | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:11.39 | generalsnus | http.. is a full url.. to lazy to write it all |
| 20:11.51 | generalsnus | using sweedish ftp it seems |
| 20:12.44 | adb | i said "deb http... lenny main" is missing |
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| 20:14.24 | generalsnus | adb: ah.. its on the list.. it has a # infront tho |
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| 20:15.08 | adb | bad thing , then |
| 20:16.20 | generalsnus | ah.. it also says that it commented .. due failed to verify |
| 20:16.23 | Titan8990 | generalsnus, install pastebinit and pastebin the file |
| 20:16.39 | Titan8990 | or if your confident, uncomment and `aptitude update` |
| 20:17.11 | generalsnus | kk.. just gotta figure out how to delete stuff in "VI" |
| 20:17.12 | generalsnus | :p |
| 20:17.24 | ranix | dd to delete a line |
| 20:17.37 | ranix | I suggest using vim |
| 20:17.44 | ranix | I can't figure vi out to save my life |
| 20:17.50 | Titan8990 | <insert> <DELETE> |
| 20:17.50 | ranix | does some funky shit |
| 20:18.13 | Titan8990 | or <insert> <DEL> |
| 20:18.16 | abrotman | 'dd' works the same in vim and vi |
| 20:18.18 | abrotman | and nvi |
| 20:18.27 | tensorpudding | vi is mostly a subset of vim |
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| 20:19.29 | Titan8990 | i don't understand vi either... vim works as i expect it to. e.g. I press <insert> <down arrow>... i expect it to move the cursor down one line. instead, it writes the ascii character "B" |
| 20:19.38 | Titan8990 | i don't get that kind of funky behavior from vim |
| 20:19.55 | tensorpudding | hjkl are the movement keys in vi |
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| 20:20.09 | tensorpudding | and most people who care to learn vi or vim learn them |
| 20:20.10 | ranix | the thing that bothers me in vi is that if I press i for insert mode, and them press an arrow key, it screws with the line and capitalizes the previous character |
| 20:20.12 | generalsnus | here we go |
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| 20:20.45 | generalsnus | takes a wee bit longer to do update now.. yeah :) |
| 20:21.11 | Titan8990 | tensorpudding, hjkl print the ascii characters hjkl... can you not move the cursor from insert mode? |
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| 20:21.24 | tensorpudding | in vi, no |
| 20:21.31 | tensorpudding | because insert mode is for inserting characters |
| 20:21.44 | generalsnus | yay.. apt finds stuff now :) |
| 20:21.57 | adb | !tell generalsnus -about key |
| 20:22.00 | Titan8990 | yeah.... i will stick with emacs or vim |
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| 20:27.37 | DogBoy | Titan8990, I don't think that's vi doing that |
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| 20:28.08 | DogBoy | but yea first thing I install vim |
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| 20:29.08 | generalsnus | is there any need to configure ssh, before i try to connect from another comp? |
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| 20:29.37 | AimHere | It's probably a good plan to scan the sshd_config to make sure that nothing is egregiously insecure |
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| 20:30.05 | setuid | Ok, now I have 5.0.3 installed |
| 20:30.36 | Scurz | hi |
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| 20:30.45 | generalsnus | hm i tried "ssh user@ipadress" didnt work tho |
| 20:31.07 | DomeDan | need to define an other port? |
| 20:31.18 | generalsnus | i dunno |
| 20:31.36 | DomeDan | portscann your target computer :) |
| 20:31.42 | generalsnus | it uses port 22 |
| 20:31.56 | setuid | generalsnus, add -vvv to your ssh commandline |
| 20:32.00 | setuid | see if the verbosity tells you more |
| 20:32.08 | Scurz | with this tunnel ssh -N -f -L1089:localhost:80 login@server, I get blank pages for the web, why ? If instead of localhost I put domain.tld and I visit this website, that's ok, why ? |
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| 20:33.32 | generalsnus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:34.01 | Codtv`Yuc | hello guys i have installed wondershaper on my debian machine |
| 20:34.24 | Codtv`Yuc | now i wanne configure that the max speed is 150 kb/s but i wanne configure that for eatch pc |
| 20:34.32 | Codtv`Yuc | so eatch pc can use max 150 kb's |
| 20:34.35 | Codtv`Yuc | how can i do that |
| 20:34.59 | simonrvn | what's "eatch" mean? |
| 20:35.16 | Codtv`Yuc | sorry my english is nog that good |
| 20:35.18 | simonrvn | oh 'each'? sorry, was confused |
| 20:35.19 | setuid | generalsnus, sounds like sshd isn't listening on the public port |
| 20:35.20 | Codtv`Yuc | for all the pc's |
| 20:35.22 | Codtv`Yuc | yeah |
| 20:35.23 | Codtv`Yuc | sorry |
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| 20:36.16 | simonrvn | at the top the script has some settings, the script looks for kb/s (kilobits per second) |
| 20:36.20 | Scurz | no idea for me? |
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| 20:36.30 | Codtv`Yuc | yeah |
| 20:36.30 | simonrvn | lemme double-check that |
| 20:36.31 | Codtv`Yuc | i know |
| 20:36.39 | Codtv`Yuc | simon rvn |
| 20:36.45 | Codtv`Yuc | my debian machine is a router |
| 20:36.47 | Codtv`Yuc | with 2 interfaces |
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| 20:37.01 | Codtv`Yuc | so one is going to the internet and the other is going to my home network |
| 20:37.18 | Codtv`Yuc | if i configure it to 150 is it then set to 150 or is it 150 total for all computer |
| 20:37.26 | paradoxmonkey | Can somebody take a look at http://kacper.se/wiki/linux_firewall_project and tell me if I have missed something? |
| 20:37.44 | Codtv`Yuc | because if 2 computers are online then it is 300 kb's u understand what i mean ? |
| 20:37.50 | simonrvn | it's going to be for all of them. you want better fine tuning you need to play with tc a bit. |
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| 20:38.09 | simonrvn | no, total, not per machine. |
| 20:38.14 | Codtv`Yuc | ahh okee |
| 20:38.21 | Codtv`Yuc | i already think that |
| 20:38.34 | Codtv`Yuc | this i have now |
| 20:38.45 | generalsnus | setuid: i worked from my debian install to my desktop ubuntu.. not the otherway around |
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| 20:39.10 | Codtv`Yuc | i have recieved some advice |
| 20:39.28 | simonrvn | have fun |
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| 20:39.47 | iLOLD | Hi |
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| 20:39.59 | elops | how do i update my menu.lst for an updated kernel version? |
| 20:40.27 | Scurz | elops: update-grub ? |
| 20:40.28 | chops | I'm trying to join my Samba server to an AD domain, and getting "Failed to set servicePrincipalNames" (full error at http://pastebin.com/m35c52b17). Anyone have any ideas? |
| 20:40.37 | iLOLD | Could someone help me? It seems that vsftpd doesnt work on Centos. |
| 20:40.38 | Codtv`Yuc | i hear abouth masq, tc, tcng of something like that cant remember exacly |
| 20:40.52 | abrotman | iLOLD: you want #centos |
| 20:40.56 | paradoxmonkey | elops: "nano /boot/grub/menu.lst" if you use grub |
| 20:40.59 | iLOLD | I cannot go there, im banned. |
| 20:41.01 | macrobat | elops: update-grub, dont edit the outomagic part of menu.lst |
| 20:41.08 | macrobat | *automagic |
| 20:41.11 | abrotman | iLOLD: then try ##linux or #vsftpd .. not our problem |
| 20:41.17 | chops | iLOLD: The #centos people are unhelpful and rude, try #fedora |
| 20:41.27 | Codtv`Yuc | simonrvn is there a script sample or a tutorial for tc? |
| 20:41.45 | iLOLD | Im banned from those as well. |
| 20:41.54 | abrotman | all three? |
| 20:42.14 | iLOLD | Yes. |
| 20:42.17 | simonrvn | Codtv`Yuc: google and lartc.org. might want to check out #netfilter on this network, too. |
| 20:42.23 | ranix | too bad this is #debian and not #centos |
| 20:42.34 | iLOLD | Ok. so can you help me then? |
| 20:42.38 | ranix | nope |
| 20:42.38 | abrotman | iLOLD: this is the wrong place to ask, and you'll be offtopic here. best to msg their ops and try to get unbanned |
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| 20:42.47 | Scurz | please, could you help me for my problem? (see above) |
| 20:43.06 | Codtv`Yuc | i already am at lartc.org;) |
| 20:43.08 | Codtv`Yuc | thx |
| 20:43.16 | simonrvn | cool |
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| 20:43.34 | chops | iLOLD: And adjust your behavior :-). I've been banned from #centos for having the audacity to criticize the wrong answers I was getting, but the other channels should be perfectly reasonable |
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| 20:47.57 | Codtv`Yuc | somebody in netfilter ansers |
| 20:49.04 | JyZyXEL | how do i set the keyboard layout in X |
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| 20:51.34 | Titan8990 | !keymaps |
| 20:51.41 | Titan8990 | !keymap |
| 20:51.41 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 20:56.03 | dim | hi, it seems debian/kFreeBSD is missing both lspci and pciconf? |
| 20:58.32 | \amethyst | dim: packages.debian.org shows pciutils in kfreebsd on sid |
| 20:58.45 | dim | trying |
| 20:58.57 | \amethyst | dim: (which will have /sbin/lspci, not pciconf) |
| 20:59.24 | dim | yeah right |
| 20:59.57 | dim | ok so it's a VirtualBox graphic controller, which xrandr claims only supports 800x600 |
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| 21:02.14 | Codtv`Yuc | how can i limit the traffic speed per pc using tc? |
| 21:03.14 | dkr | Codtv`Yuc: lartc.org |
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| 21:05.05 | anuron | hi |
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| 21:05.45 | anuron | which is the prefered way of installing an unstable package under lenny? (i only need one) |
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| 21:06.50 | Scurz- | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:08.03 | Pyro_ | Question about Ethernet bonding. I've got 2 nics setup in an etherbond 802.3ad. All TX happens on eth1 and all RX happens on eth0. I have 5 different transfers going from 5 different PCs, but I can't get both cards to have indenpedant TX RX |
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| 21:10.37 | chops | Pyrophelia: Are they bridged, or separate? Which interface(s) have a gateway configured? |
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| 21:11.42 | Pyrophelia | they're bonded with ifenslave. so neither have a gateway configured. the bond has the gateway configured for both |
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| 21:11.59 | assmonger | hey guys. if i do apt-get install postfix from a script, it pops up with an interactive menu asking for configuration details (Internet Site, etc.) is there any way to specify to the install command that i want it to select the defaults? |
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| 21:14.40 | chops | Pyrophelia: Ah, okay (I'm not terribly familiar with Linux bonding, BTW). You can't do anything about the "all RX on one NIC" on the receiving end; you have to adjust whatever's sending packets to use both channels. For the "all TX on one", that definitely does sound wrong, yes... how are you examining things to see all the TX on one card? What's the rest of your network setup look like? |
| 21:15.16 | chops | Pyrophelia: Can you pastebin the output of ifconfig -a and ifenslave -a? |
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| 21:17.46 | Pyrophelia | sure 1 sec |
| 21:18.16 | visof | what is the meaning of that "ready-made software package" ? |
| 21:18.29 | Pyrophelia | http://pastebin.com/m7ff14daf |
| 21:18.37 | nkuttler | assmonger: see dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
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| 21:18.56 | nkuttler | assmonger: but you'll need to do the config manually |
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| 21:20.32 | gregglind | what's the right procedure for a clean reinstall of a debian system? |
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| 21:21.25 | abrotman | format everything and reinstall ? |
| 21:21.28 | gregglind | my plan 1. tar up /etc, 2. something involving dpkg? |
| 21:21.38 | gregglind | keep /home, try to reinstall the same packages |
| 21:21.51 | abrotman | !tell gregglind about reinstall |
| 21:21.53 | chops | gregglind: Why are you reinstalling? |
| 21:21.56 | abrotman | !tell gregglind about aptitude clone |
| 21:22.13 | Gm4n | I'm building a little media center box, and I'm planning to put debian on it. What kind of graphics card should I get? (I'm ok with non-free drivers) |
| 21:22.28 | chops | Pyrophelia: What's your network look like? What's the other end of the bonded ethernet connected to? |
| 21:22.41 | abrotman | Gm4n: i'd vote intel or ati |
| 21:22.58 | Gm4n | not nvidia or ati? |
| 21:23.07 | Pyrophelia | 802.3ad switch with 6 Mac Pros. each has 2 nics configured for 802.3ad |
| 21:23.11 | gregglind | abrotman, my installation is quite old, (originally a woody I think) and along the way has been soom mixture of testing, stable and unstable. upgrades don't really work right anymore. |
| 21:23.12 | chops | Gm4n: Intel is generally good if you don't need fancy 3d (though their X drivers have been hit or miss sometimes lately) |
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| 21:23.48 | Gm4n | chops: will an intel be able to drive a 1080p tv? that's my only worry |
| 21:23.54 | abrotman | gregglind: so if you move it all to say .. squeeze, it should be okay .. i've got boxes that have come from sarge |
| 21:24.12 | Gm4n | I'm planning to play a lot of 1080p h264s |
| 21:24.29 | chops | gregglind: Define "don't work" (though of course if you don't have anything you particularly love on the machine a clean reinstall might be easier than trying to debug) |
| 21:24.40 | gregglind | abrotman, mine definitely has illness during apt-get update and upgrade |
| 21:24.45 | gregglind | I don't love hte machine :) |
| 21:24.54 | chops | gregglind: Unless you really broke things very badly, upgrading it all the way to the modern day one stable release at a time should work with some fiddling |
| 21:25.02 | abrotman | Gm4n: you can get an intel onboard graphics card .. make sure it has a PCIe slot or whatever, if ti's not powerful enough, you get a card for that slot |
| 21:25.07 | gregglind | chops: fiddling -- |
| 21:25.13 | abrotman | gregglind: wouldn't it be easier to ask us how to fix that ? |
| 21:25.14 | iceroot | Gm4n: as gpu? my intel-gpu (comes with intel atom) is playing 1080p fine |
| 21:25.38 | Gm4n | oh, cool. Then I can just go with onboard graphics :) thanks abrotman / iceroot / chops =) |
| 21:25.52 | gregglind | I looked into it several months ago, when I was trying to upgrade to apache2. and yes it would be easier to ask it, but then I'd be the one to have to do it :) |
| 21:26.12 | abrotman | still probably easier to fix the issue |
| 21:26.13 | iceroot | Gm4n: but have a gpu with hdmi is nice too |
| 21:26.22 | generalsnus | I have installed icewm with apt-get.. but i guess i need the xwindow system aswell? |
| 21:26.37 | iceroot | Gm4n: i am using it with d-sub (old vga) and i think the image is not perfect like hdmi or other digital-stuff |
| 21:26.42 | gregglind | well, I'm open to solutions, abrotman. |
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| 21:27.03 | abrotman | gregglind: so describe the actual issue |
| 21:27.05 | Gm4n | iceroot: I'm planning to run over dvi -> hdmi -> tv, not d-sub |
| 21:27.22 | iceroot | Gm4n: if it is digital-dvi there is no problem |
| 21:27.34 | iceroot | Gm4n: there is digital and analog-dvi |
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| 21:28.07 | Gm4n | I wasn't aware of that.... should I go RTFM on the difference, or is it safe to assume it's digital? |
| 21:28.08 | iceroot | Gm4n: but with that you dont get sound imo |
| 21:28.24 | gregglind | abrotman, I don't even remember. Several months ago, I tried to upgrade to apache2, and during that cycle, we noticed oddities, like my gcc didn't match an appropriate one for my official supposed version. Like I say, I don't recall the issue. This isn't really a production box or anything. If starting from scratch will be simpler, honestly, that's a better use of time. |
| 21:28.31 | iceroot | Gm4n: there a two names for dvi something like dvi-d and so on, have a look at it |
| 21:28.41 | Jippi_ | Hi. Can anyone recommend a page on how to change the php5 package configure flags ? I wan't to remove lots of the default extensions, while still being able to utilize the debian file layout :) |
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| 21:29.36 | iceroot | Gm4n: dvi-d (digital) and dvi-a (analog)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Visual_Interface |
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| 21:30.08 | dvs | and dvi-i? ;-) |
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| 21:30.40 | abrotman | gregglind: put your sources.list and 'apt-cache policy' in a pastebin |
| 21:30.54 | gregglind | abrotman, easy enough! |
| 21:31.03 | iceroot | dvs: dvi-i can handle analog and digital |
| 21:31.33 | iceroot | dvs: Gm4n http://www.prad.de/new/news/admin/images/339270099031211 |
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| 21:32.19 | Gm4n | aha, thanks |
| 21:32.38 | mjt | PinkFreud: ping? |
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| 21:32.55 | chops | gregglind: I would recommend going one stable release at a time, with a full 'dist-upgrade' and approximately following the release notes every time. If you run into significant troubles, it might get simpler to wipe and reinstall, but it's not what I would recommend as the first resort in case of any trouble |
| 21:33.14 | gregglind | chops abrotman http://gregglind.pastebin.com/d730a6cae |
| 21:33.29 | chops | gregglind: Best to learn how to manage your system so that you're not having to do the same thing three years from now when you've managed to destroy your new, reinstalled system's package situation :-) |
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| 21:33.40 | yaaar | howdy |
| 21:33.46 | abrotman | gregglind: so you want to be running unstable ? |
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| 21:34.20 | gregglind | unstable is fine on this box |
| 21:34.32 | chops | gregglind: What release is the oldest package currently installed on the machine from? woody, or lenny, or do you know? |
| 21:34.44 | abrotman | gregglind: flat out .. mixing stable and unstable is a seriuosly good way to break your system .. |
| 21:34.50 | gregglind | I actually don't know. How does one figure that out |
| 21:34.52 | zophy | if i remove postgress from a fresh debian install, will that break anything ? |
| 21:34.53 | abrotman | gregglind: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. which version is that ? |
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| 21:35.13 | yaaar | having a bit of trouble setting up net-snmp on lenny. it works fine, but seems to only be bound to localhost; anybody know how i can tell it to listen on the real ip address as well? my reading on the cacti forums suggests that it's supposed to listen on all interfaces by default, unless you give it an 'agentaddress' line in the config...which i don't see anyplace |
| 21:35.19 | gregglind | abrotman: ii libc6 2.9-18 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:35.33 | gregglind | abrotman, I was young and stupid then :) |
| 21:35.35 | abrotman | judarghstewjuddisgone!! |
| 21:35.54 | Titan8990 | yep, been gone all day |
| 21:35.57 | Titan8990 | gone from OFTC too |
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| 21:36.05 | babilen | for some time |
| 21:36.08 | abrotman | gregglind: let's try to put your box on squeeze .. and leave it there |
| 21:36.20 | Jippi_ | Can anyone recommend a page on what configure arguments I need to provide php configure to match the settings and file layout debian uses? phpinfo() does not reveal those information like it normally does |
| 21:36.27 | gregglind | abrotman, I am suitably chastised :) we all did stupid things once :) |
| 21:36.31 | abrotman | Jippi_: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 21:36.38 | gregglind | and I probably needed some unstable package for something. |
| 21:36.48 | abrotman | gregglind: but my stupid things involved a weasel |
| 21:36.59 | chops | abrotman: I was going to recommend that he point sources.list at lenny and then do dist-upgrade just to make sure, then go to squeeze from there |
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| 21:37.10 | abrotman | chops: he's already beyond lenny |
| 21:37.14 | gregglind | I had to learn yum / red hat packaging for work, and all my apt-fu is out of my head. |
| 21:37.40 | gregglind | I'm glad you're both taking such an interest in my system's illness :) |
| 21:37.44 | Titan8990 | yum / rpm is not *that* different from apt / dpkg |
| 21:37.47 | pipeline | abrotman, chops, gregglind : Wise advice, chops. It can't hurt and since skipping releases isn't terribly well-tested... |
| 21:37.57 | Jippi_ | abrotman: I'm not familiar with that way of doing things. How do I apply theese settings? From what I can see on http://packages.debian.org/lenny/php5 there is a few downloads. But I want to build php from 5.2.12, not 5.2.6 |
| 21:38.13 | Titan8990 | even a lot of the options are the same. Internally I am sure they are very different but the end user, not so much |
| 21:38.17 | gregglind | Titan8990, I mean building all my packages for rpm, including learning specfiles, and whatnot. |
| 21:38.17 | chops | abrotman: For _some_ packages he's beyond lenny :-) |
| 21:38.22 | gregglind | It's a mess :) |
| 21:38.44 | GuySoft | hi all, i can't seem to be getting the sensor for the CPU temperature to show up on gkrellm, i can see the temp of the GPU and case, but not the cpu. What could be wrong? |
| 21:39.21 | chops | gregglind: I actually learned quite a bit about Linux maintaining a total nightmare of a package config (installed Mandrake, then spent quite a while downloading the latest source RPM available for any distro from rpmfind.net and compiling it by hand)... it got quite difficult to manage, but I learned a lot |
| 21:39.29 | Titan8990 | Jippi, what is the need to "build" php5? What is wrong with pre-compiled debian version? |
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| 21:39.36 | chops | gregglind: Mostly what I learned was the value of keeping everything clean and sensible :-) |
| 21:39.44 | gregglind | sure, well, I was dumb in those days :0 |
| 21:39.59 | gregglind | and the stuff I make for work *is* clean, honest :) I swear :) |
| 21:39.59 | Jippi_ | Titan8990: by far too many crappy modules I dont need - and I wan't to apply some other micro optimizations for my usecase |
| 21:40.24 | gregglind | while we're at it, I'd like to merge a few of my partitions, but that can wait, I presume. |
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| 21:40.35 | Titan8990 | Jippi_, can't those modules be disabled in php.ini with the only downside being the disk space they take up? |
| 21:40.43 | Jippi_ | Titan8990 / abrotman: aha, I got the patch applied - but, it only created a debian folder with tons of files - don't see any obvious files to execute |
| 21:40.53 | Jippi_ | Titan8990: they are compiled into the php core |
| 21:41.01 | Jippi_ | not as shared extensions |
| 21:41.13 | gregglind | a much rationized sources.list would be fine |
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| 21:41.40 | Titan8990 | !package recompile |
| 21:41.40 | dpkg | 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules> <apt-get source> |
| 21:41.55 | PinkFreud | mjt: yes? |
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| 21:42.45 | Jippi_ | Titan8990: that still ends up being the 5.2.6 version of debian ships, I wan't a more current version |
| 21:43.31 | gregglind | chops, show me the light! |
| 21:44.14 | Titan8990 | Jippi_, then you will need to build your own package |
| 21:44.22 | Jippi_ | Titan8990: ok |
| 21:44.27 | Titan8990 | or try to ssb from another release |
| 21:44.40 | mjt | PinkFreud: you made me curious yesterday (or was it pre-yesterday?) with your dd of /dev/zero to a live system |
| 21:44.44 | abrotman | chops: libc6 is a pretty important package |
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| 21:45.22 | dvs | deletes libc6 |
| 21:45.27 | gregglind | that was the oddity that was most apparent. |
| 21:45.37 | mjt | PinkFreud: but i can't reproduce your prob no matter what I do, with various filesystems etc |
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| 21:45.59 | mjt | PinkFreud: "your prob" = the dd process not completes |
| 21:46.22 | mjt | PinkFreud: it always completes here, even when the root filesystem is hosed and oopsed and remounted read-only and whatnot. |
| 21:46.24 | PinkFreud | mjt: you're still on this? |
| 21:46.40 | mjt | PinkFreud: as i said, you made me curious so i did some tests |
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| 21:46.58 | mjt | PinkFreud: so i'd want to know more about your environment |
| 21:47.13 | PinkFreud | any kernel complaints? |
| 21:47.13 | mjt | PinkFreud: it's definitely a bug and i want to find and fix it |
| 21:47.17 | Jippi_ | Titan8990: ssb ? |
| 21:47.21 | mjt | PinkFreud: sure, lots |
| 21:47.36 | mjt | PinkFreud: but none of that affects running dd |
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| 21:47.53 | BW^- | on boot here LigHTTPD starts. how can i make it start Apache instead? |
| 21:48.02 | Titan8990 | !tell Jippi_ about ssb |
| 21:48.05 | Gm4n | iceroot (or others): I found a mobo with onboard HDMI / intel GMA X4500. Will that run a 1080p HDTV fine and be nice and compatible with debian? |
| 21:48.43 | dHL | anyone know what the following entry is? its user is listed as 105 and i dont ever remember enqbling or installing it from debian defaults. |
| 21:48.43 | PinkFreud | mjt: you've looked at the resulting disk or disk image afterwards and vverified that there are only zeroes? |
| 21:48.44 | dHL | 105 17255 0.0 0.0 40644 892 ? Ss Dec01 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m |
| 21:48.57 | mjt | PinkFreud: there's one case where it stopped before completing: when /dev was not on the ramfs (udev etc) but on the same live filesystem on disk, and i dropped disk caches _while the dd was running_ -- apparently next kernel tried to update mtime of /dev/sda and.. boom. |
| 21:49.08 | dHL | exim4 is installed and started with debian 5 lenny by def ? |
| 21:49.08 | iceroot | Gm4n: dont know, have a look at google with "mobo-name debian lenny" |
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| 21:49.22 | gregglind | abrotman, chops: still debating strategy? |
| 21:49.26 | chops | Gm4n: I would check xorg compatibility to find out about whether it's supported... unfortunately I don't think there's going to be an easy way to determine whether the xorg driver will support that use other than to try |
| 21:49.32 | jhutchins | Gm4n: Intel compatibility is generally very good, you'd have to search for that particular chipset. |
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| 21:49.42 | mjt | PinkFreud: as i said initially there will be some non-zeros, due to kernel updating mtimes or atimes and the like, writing some dentries to disk |
| 21:49.56 | jhutchins | chops: xorg's list is pretty detailed. |
| 21:49.57 | mjt | PinkFreud: but dd completes, it writes zeros to all disk up to the end |
| 21:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh my god, you're not STILL at it? |
| 21:50.38 | PinkFreud | mjt: so it sounds like you've proved my point. your machine didn't crash like mine did, but the results are still the same - it doesn't finish writing zeroes. |
| 21:50.44 | BW^- | anyone? |
| 21:50.46 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: that was my reaction |
| 21:51.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean... did you pause in between? |
| 21:51.11 | chops | gregglind: I was AFK for a bit; I'd recommend what I described earlier (set sources.list to lenny, dist-upgrade (which hopefully won't do much of anything), then set sources.list to squeeze and dist-upgrade) |
| 21:51.18 | mjt | CutMeOwnThroat: 3rd time: i want to know which bug PinkFreud hit |
| 21:51.27 | chops | gregglind: You might have some hiccups, but you can come here and describe them if so and we can help you out |
| 21:51.34 | chops | gregglind: What kernel are you running? |
| 21:51.41 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: i haven't touched it since I did the vm test. Apparently mjt here has been working on it all this time. :) |
| 21:51.55 | mjt | 2 hours today |
| 21:52.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mjt, he never said dd crashed, though - just that he sees errors... didn't he? |
| 21:52.11 | mjt | he did say |
| 21:52.29 | PinkFreud | mjt: I'd like to repeat - it's not a bug. When you pull the filesystem (root fs, no less) out from underneath the kernel fs driver, it's going to puke. |
| 21:52.39 | PinkFreud | This *is not* a bug. |
| 21:52.47 | gregglind | chops uname -a suggests: 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Thu Mar 26 01:08:11 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:52.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | of course that's a bug |
| 21:52.48 | BW^- | it should be with update-rc.d something, huh? |
| 21:52.52 | PinkFreud | mjt: Wishing it will not make it so. |
| 21:53.03 | Gm4n | iceroot: I'm having trouble finding anything on google. It's an Asus P5G43T-M Pro (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131602) |
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| 21:53.11 | chops | gregglind: Okay, sounds good to go then |
| 21:53.17 | PinkFreud | In any case, I'm done with this. I've moved on - you should too, mjt. |
| 21:53.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | PinkFreud, a defective disk could act the same - and while that produces errors, it wouldn't bring the system down |
| 21:53.29 | gregglind | chops, would you clarify : set sources.list to lenny |
| 21:53.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it does, it's a bug |
| 21:53.43 | iceroot | Gm4n: "p5g43t-m lenny" |
| 21:53.52 | PinkFreud | CutMeOwnThroat: if the defective disk contains the root filesystem, it will indeed bring the system down. |
| 21:53.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
| 21:54.03 | mjt | 02:16 < PinkFreud> mjt: it was toast, as I said. |
| 21:54.09 | mjt | that's the onlyu result ;) |
| 21:54.24 | PinkFreud | Again, I'm done with this. :) |
| 21:54.24 | mjt | (it's not clear who was toast but looks like dd) |
| 21:54.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, it shouldn't - if system == kernel |
| 21:54.30 | Gm4n | iceroot: I don't se anything in those results :-/ |
| 21:54.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | obviously you won't be able to execute any commands from /bin etc. anymore |
| 21:54.47 | mjt | PinkFreud: so can you pleas tell me what was in your vm? |
| 21:54.50 | chops | gregglind: By set sources.list to lenny I mean disable everything from sources.list except a single line 'deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian lenny main contrib non-free' |
| 21:55.05 | gregglind | thank you, even I can follow that one :) |
| 21:55.06 | chops | gregglind: (Or wherever your local mirror is instead of http.us.debian.org) |
| 21:55.12 | gregglind | I am in us, thanks! |
| 21:55.40 | iceroot | Gm4n: are you blind? |
| 21:56.07 | Gm4n | apparently so. I still don't see it |
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| 21:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | mjt, well, I don't feel it's my responsibility to correct his woolly thinking there - I think he's just kinda like "oh, but it's the SYSTEM on there, the kernel MUST crash!!!!!111" |
| 21:56.36 | Gm4n | the "linux debian" hit is about a different mobo |
| 21:56.53 | gregglind | chops, then: apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 21:57.21 | Titan8990 | !why aptitude |
| 21:57.21 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution and will often be able to come up with a solution where apt-get just gives up. It has advanced search capabilities (see <aptitude search>). Like apt-get, it can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line or at the Y/n/q/? prompt using its interactive resolver, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 21:57.34 | Titan8990 | gregglind, ^ use aptitude |
| 21:57.36 | genoobie | okay |
| 21:57.58 | mjt | !why not aptitude |
| 21:57.58 | dpkg | Many never use the curses-based frontend but it is still in the binary, and it is more memory intensive and slower than apt-get. Now that many features of aptitude are also in libapt and used by apt-get as well, the differences between the two have reduced. Aptitude is still the easiest way of working your way out of tight spots when running sid or upgrading between releases, however. Ask me about <why aptitude>. |
| 21:58.37 | genoobie | okay |
| 21:58.51 | genoobie | I know this isn't the debian help channel, but I'm stuck with a netinst |
| 21:59.10 | mjt | genoobie: that last dpkg question wasn't for you :) |
| 21:59.35 | genoobie | the installer wants a .bin |
| 21:59.36 | ranix | !ask |
| 21:59.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>. |
| 21:59.43 | genoobie | I have it on a usb stick |
| 21:59.50 | genoobie | but I can't tell the installer it's there |
| 21:59.56 | gregglind | hopefully, these upgrades will be easy. it's running headless, no X or anything. |
| 22:00.00 | genoobie | it keeps looking for it in other places, I don't get it |
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| 22:00.01 | ranix | genoobie: this is indeed the Debian support channel. Please paut your entire question on one line so we can read the whole thing at once |
| 22:00.11 | genoobie | sorry |
| 22:00.39 | gregglind | so, chops, assuming this all works, just do the smae thing with squeeze instead of lenny? |
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| 22:01.18 | genoobie | I'm I'm using the debian business card install (netinst) and it says I'm missing a non-free firmware component for the .nic card |
| 22:01.34 | genoobie | it's on my usb stick and the usb stick *is* mounted |
| 22:02.19 | genoobie | but the installer keeps looking in the wrong places it seems like. How can I tell the installer where it is, or how can I cp to the right location |
| 22:02.32 | mjt | where does it look at? |
| 22:02.36 | genoobie | is there a firmware folder? |
| 22:02.40 | mjt | yes |
| 22:02.57 | mjt | but i know right to nothing about _installer_ |
| 22:03.08 | mjt | (used it once or twice about 10 years ago...) |
| 22:03.12 | genoobie | mjt if I copy it to the firware folder then I should be OK, correct? |
| 22:04.02 | mjt | ok, put it another way: where you see the messages and how they look like? Maybe pastebin them? |
| 22:04.18 | mjt | at which point does it want the messages? |
| 22:04.23 | mjt | s/messages/firmware/ |
| 22:04.36 | genoobie | okay it starts ethdetect |
| 22:04.47 | genoobie | identifies the NIC correctly |
| 22:04.57 | genoobie | then says PME# disabled |
| 22:05.11 | mjt | pme# is non-fatal. Is it tg3? |
| 22:05.17 | genoobie | gets a mac address |
| 22:05.32 | mjt | ok |
| 22:05.37 | genoobie | lo perhaps? |
| 22:05.49 | genoobie | oh wait that's loopback |
| 22:05.56 | mjt | nothing to do with lo, lo is a loopback, always-present virtual "nic" |
| 22:06.13 | mjt | (not really always but that's different story) |
| 22:06.34 | genoobie | so then it says check-missing-firmware: no missing firmware in /dev/.udev/firmware-missing |
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| 22:07.19 | genoobie | then it says e100 firmware requesting e100/d101s_ucode.bin |
| 22:07.30 | mjt | ok, finally |
| 22:07.59 | mjt | (fun, here it does not ask me for e100 firmware.. lemme check, curious...) |
| 22:08.14 | genoobie | e100 eth0 e100_request_firmware: failed to load firmware "e100/d101s_ucode.bin": -2 |
| 22:08.29 | mjt | genoobie: if you can create files in your filesystem the fw should go to /lib/firmware/e100/d101s_ucode.bin |
| 22:09.00 | genoobie | okay, so I can mount the usb and then point it there? |
| 22:09.03 | mjt | that's not installer it's kernel who asks for the firmware |
| 22:09.12 | mjt | not really, no |
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| 22:09.24 | genoobie | okay, so I can find the firmware on the usb stick |
| 22:09.30 | genoobie | do I have any options? |
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| 22:09.56 | poppiez | I'm trying to make ghostscript from source but I run into this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lstdc++. what do I need to install? |
| 22:09.56 | mjt | can you mkdir /lib/firmware/e100 ? |
| 22:10.10 | mjt | poppiez: install build-essential |
| 22:10.13 | genoobie | from the rootdir? |
| 22:10.17 | mjt | genoobie: yes |
| 22:10.28 | genoobie | I would have to do this before it asks for it though hmm |
| 22:10.33 | chops | gregglind: Yep |
| 22:10.40 | chops | gregglind: Where are you at right now? |
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| 22:10.43 | mjt | genoobie: just try it now |
| 22:10.47 | gregglind | downloading for lenny, chops |
| 22:11.00 | genoobie | yes I can make the dir |
| 22:11.11 | mjt | genoobie: as i said i haven't looked at th einstaller for a long time |
| 22:11.12 | poppiez | mjt: thank you :) |
| 22:11.16 | gregglind | chops, aptitude dist-upgrade gave me a "solution" which I accepted. |
| 22:11.24 | chops | gregglind: Rockin' |
| 22:11.53 | mjt | genoobie: so yes, just copy the fw to there as i said above, all your e100* files, when it asks to see the missing firmware |
| 22:12.09 | mjt | genoobie: you can do it now and re-load e100 driver |
| 22:12.12 | genoobie | well it looks for the firmware first and then asks for it |
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| 22:12.17 | genoobie | let me try that bbiam |
| 22:12.32 | gregglind | and squeeze will work even non released? the sources line would be: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian squeeze main contrib non-free # No deb-src or anything? |
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| 22:12.56 | genoobie | I'm going to switch to the expert install |
| 22:13.12 | No` | hi |
| 22:13.16 | mjt | genoobie: mind you, maybe there's easier way, i dunno really. I can solve probs with a live system but i don't know how installer program works |
| 22:13.29 | genoobie | yeah, that's okay I'll try this |
| 22:14.06 | mjt | genoobie: you may also want to copy that same files to the destination filesystem too |
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| 22:14.20 | gregglind | chops, the entertaining part will be when the packages install and I get to deal with exim and friends |
| 22:15.27 | mjt | genoobie: generally you'll want to install firmware-linux package |
| 22:15.29 | genoobie | mjt, okay, I'm doing the "expert install" |
| 22:16.07 | genoobie | it's going to load installer components from CD. However, they give you some additional components |
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| 22:16.33 | genoobie | will I need any of those? |
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| 22:17.32 | mjt | "it is because of the Debian policy : non-free blobs and firmwares included in the mainline kernel sources are moved away from the Debian kernel into separate non-free packages" |
| 22:18.04 | mjt | ;) |
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| 22:18.50 | chops | gregglind: Yeah, exim got a lot saner in the last few releases though |
| 22:18.57 | chops | gregglind: Personally I much prefer postfix, FWIW |
| 22:19.31 | mjt | genoobie: see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=494308 |
| 22:19.43 | chops | gregglind: But yes, you should do the upgrade with simple package configs and then try to worry about what happens after in terms of deb-src and whatnot after. squeeze is equal to testing right now (until the release); it is available, yes. |
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| 22:21.54 | genoobie | holy macaroni I think it worked |
| 22:22.15 | gregglind | chops, when it comes to mail, i'm in the "I got it working, now I want to never touch it again" camp |
| 22:22.21 | chops | gregglind: Yes |
| 22:22.43 | mjt | genoobie: macaroni? |
| 22:23.11 | gregglind | but exim is always messing with it's config! I only changed about 3 lines, so it should be okay. And learning to put all of etc under git was my wisest sysadmin insight |
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| 22:24.17 | chops | gregglind: That's what got a lot saner... now by default exim comes with a ton of separate config files, all included together by the "main" config, so that you don't have to deal with 800 lines of config differences in order to handle a change to 3 lines when you've customized 3 lines |
| 22:24.27 | gregglind | all right :) we'll see :) |
| 22:25.01 | gregglind | packages installing, I'll holler if there are issues! starting with modprobe /etc changes |
| 22:25.36 | genoobie | what is lvm |
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| 22:26.26 | E-bola | Hi, isnt there a way to get a the size of all folders matching *pattern* in a folder structure? |
| 22:26.33 | E-bola | like an include option to du ? |
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| 22:27.45 | chops | E-bola: du --summarize `find . -type d -name 'the*pattern'` |
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| 22:28.29 | E-bola | chops: i need subdirs as well, but i just thought about i can just du the rootdir, then du the rootdir and exlucde my pattern and then subtract |
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| 22:29.38 | chops | E-bola: If you need subdirs, just leave off the --summarize |
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| 22:30.32 | Pyrophelia | I have 3 debian servers up and running and each one I can't connect outside the lan, only inside. what causes that? (and yes all ports are forwarded properly |
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| 22:30.32 | Pyrophelia | and on* each one |
| 22:30.32 | chops | Pyrophelia: Missing gateway? |
| 22:30.32 | gregglind | chops, lenny dist-upgrade without incident |
| 22:30.32 | Pyrophelia | no |
| 22:30.32 | chops | gregglind: Excellent |
| 22:30.32 | Pyrophelia | I get a password prompt but it says permission denied |
| 22:30.32 | Pyrophelia | it's as if i'm typing in the password wrong |
| 22:30.32 | Pyrophelia | but i'm not |
| 22:30.37 | chops | Pyrophelia: What password prompt when you access what? |
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| 22:30.54 | Pyrophelia | what do you mean? |
| 22:31.16 | chops | Pyrophelia: You say you get a password prompt. What is giving you the password prompt? |
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| 22:31.30 | Pyrophelia | ssh i'm assuming |
| 22:31.54 | chops | gregglind: I'd try for squeeze now. Even if you have some existing unstable packages, that should take you to a pretty sane state. Then you can try your apache2 thing again and see if it works now. |
| 22:31.59 | chops | Pyrophelia: You're assuming? |
| 22:32.23 | chops | Pyrophelia: How can you know that you're getting a password prompt, but not know when you're getting it or what you're trying to do? |
| 22:32.50 | Pyrophelia | ssh is the only daemon I have running for remote logins, I just don't understand your question |
| 22:33.00 | gregglind | chops, I s/lenny/squeeze/g in sources.list. then # aptitude dist-upgrate but nothing happens. 0 packages dl'ed or updated |
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| 22:33.17 | chops | gregglind: Did you aptitude update? |
| 22:33.53 | abrotman | i told you before he was beyond lenny |
| 22:33.54 | gregglind | nope. I didn't before the previous one. I wonder if things really worked after all! |
| 22:33.56 | No` | whois chops |
| 22:34.05 | abrotman | he's a plural noun! |
| 22:34.13 | chops | abrotman: He did have some packages installed when he updated to lenny |
| 22:34.17 | Pyrophelia | when I try to login from outside the lan I get this as a failure "Attempting 'keyboard-interactive' authentication...Authrntication method 'keyboard-interactive failed |
| 22:34.21 | chops | abrotman: He's currently going from there to squeeze |
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| 22:34.40 | gregglind | I did havea few upgrade |
| 22:34.49 | gregglind | so aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 22:34.54 | gregglind | that's the next plan? |
| 22:34.55 | chops | gregglind: Correct |
| 22:35.06 | zophy | can i remove postgress without upsetting the debian installation, is postgress necessary ? |
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| 22:35.16 | setuid | Does anyone know why grsecurity.net has a publicly accessible set of rootkits online? |
| 22:35.21 | Pyrophelia | when I try to login from outside the lan I get this as a failure "Attempting 'keyboard-interactive' authentication...Authrntication method 'keyboard-interactive failed |
| 22:35.25 | Pyrophelia | or |
| 22:35.26 | genoobie | mjt are you still here? |
| 22:35.27 | setuid | One of our public (Debian-based) webservers was just rooted by one of them |
| 22:35.28 | abrotman | it's full-upgrade now |
| 22:35.41 | abrotman | setuid: ask them, not us |
| 22:35.52 | Pyrophelia | from a different pc, different client I get "Permission denied, please try again." |
| 22:35.58 | genoobie | when I attempt to install the base system, it says cannot find codename for installation |
| 22:36.02 | setuid | abrotman, Nobody alive in #grsecurity |
| 22:36.04 | chops | Pyrophelia: I strongly suspect that your ssh attempt is not connecting to the right machine. You can shut down sshd on one of the machines and then try to connect from outside again to test (if you get 'connection refused' then it is making it to the right place, if you get the password failure again then it's talking to a different machine) |
| 22:36.20 | genoobie | debootstrap error |
| 22:36.21 | abrotman | setuid: how could we know why they do that |
| 22:36.26 | Pyrophelia | chops, negative. |
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| 22:36.36 | setuid | abrotman, There are security experts that linger here |
| 22:36.42 | gregglind | abrotman, was that 'full-upgrade' at me? which command does that replace? |
| 22:36.47 | Pyrophelia | I've already done that and I get a time out when I uplug the system from the net |
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| 22:36.57 | setuid | abrotman, It's a runtime, user-level, kernel exploit that gives them a root shell... and it works on Debian kernels ;( |
| 22:37.25 | setuid | abrotman, This is what I found in /var/www/, which happens to be the default $HOME for www-data: http://pastebin.com/d1523376 |
| 22:37.29 | genoobie | any tips? |
| 22:37.37 | setuid | abrotman, Why does www-data have a valid shell to begin with? That shouldn't be allowed at all. |
| 22:37.52 | abrotman | setuid: great .. keep advertising that |
| 22:38.17 | Arrowmaster | setuid: well how did somebody get shell access to www-data? |
| 22:38.21 | setuid | I have no idea how much damage was done, or what data was taken/changed/destroyed at all yet. |
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| 22:38.36 | gt_ | hy |
| 22:38.37 | gt_ | hi |
| 22:38.53 | chops | gregglind: full-upgrade replaces dist-upgrade, but dist-upgrade still works for now |
| 22:38.58 | setuid | Arrowmaster, That's what I'm trying to figure out. Either they ssh'd in (and truncated the ssh and lastlog), or they did it from the local console (indicating that it was probably someone at my hosting provider) |
| 22:39.07 | abrotman | gregglind: and you should mostly be using aptitude now |
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| 22:39.23 | gregglind | will do! |
| 22:40.04 | chops | Pyrophelia: Have you tried unplugging the offending machine from the network, and then logging into it using its "internal" address to verify that you're talking to the right machine in _that_ case? |
| 22:40.15 | Pyrophelia | yes |
| 22:40.20 | genoobie | I know these seem like simple questions... |
| 22:40.40 | Arrowmaster | setuid: better question would be how were they actually able to login as www-data, it shouldnt have a password and thus it shouldnt be possible to login as it correct? |
| 22:40.46 | Pyrophelia | wait what do you mean by internal address? |
| 22:40.54 | Pyrophelia | ie, ssh into itself? |
| 22:41.02 | setuid | Arrowmaster, correct |
| 22:41.27 | chops | Pyrophelia: You said that it worked internally, but not from "outside." I'd unplug it and recheck the password "internally" to make sure that you're talking to the right machine in _that_ case. |
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| 22:42.21 | chops | Pyrophelia: Password failure from one source but not another (or an sshd that's configured to reject logins from outside a certain IP range) are both rather unlikely... it's a lot more likely that you've misunderstood what's happening, so I'd advise rechecking things to investigate |
| 22:42.35 | Arrowmaster | setuid: what is running on your webserver as cgi? |
| 22:42.36 | Pyrophelia | no, all 5 debian boxes are acting the same way |
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| 22:42.47 | setuid | Arrowmaster, nothing |
| 22:42.48 | Pyrophelia | er excuse me 3 |
| 22:42.58 | chops | Pyrophelia: When you say "internally," do you actually mean a local ssh? Or do you mean a console login or something? |
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| 22:43.15 | Arrowmaster | setuid: no php or any other server side languages? |
| 22:43.15 | Pyrophelia | when I login using lap IPs it works fine |
| 22:43.19 | Pyrophelia | when I try to log in from our wan IP it breaks |
| 22:43.40 | setuid | Arrowmaster, Sure, I use mod_php, mod_perl and some others, but they're not cgi, they're loaded as modules |
| 22:43.45 | Pyrophelia | and I know all the port forwards work otherwise I wouldn't get password prompts |
| 22:43.58 | chops | Pyrophelia: By "login using lap IPs" do you mean an ssh login from a different machine on the local network? |
| 22:44.03 | Pyrophelia | yes |
| 22:44.32 | DomeDan | Pyto: /etc/hosts.allow , only local adresses? |
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| 22:45.17 | DomeDan | or a allow only local in some ssh config |
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| 22:45.57 | gregglind | chops, this update (aptitude update pointed at squeeze) is a monster. 800 mb! |
| 22:46.36 | abrotman | sounds plausible |
| 22:46.45 | chops | Pyrophelia: What DomeDan says is also possible, though less likely IMHO. I still am inclined to suspect that you're managing to talk to the wrong machine somewhere along the line, though. |
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| 22:47.23 | chops | gregglind: Fun stuff :-). Probably pretty similar to a fresh install (though less time-consuming because you're not having to re-select packages and re-set-up things) |
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| 22:48.35 | chops | Pyrophelia: My next recommendation would be to put up a pastebin of your whole process of testing internal/external/plugged-in/unplugged connections so we can look for oddities |
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| 22:50.33 | Pyrophelia | I found it, somebody added the servers to a private vpn on the network and didn't tell me. |
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| 22:51.00 | Pyrophelia | local ips were granted but remote were not....but how the hell do they get to the box to begin with?? |
| 22:51.13 | Pyrophelia | secuirty flaw? |
| 22:51.26 | chops | Pyrophelia: NAT |
| 22:51.32 | chops | Pyrophelia: Most likely |
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| 22:51.49 | Pyrophelia | nat is only for port forwarding. that has nothing to do with vpns |
| 22:52.15 | chops | Pyrophelia: NAT is not only for port forwarding. I'm currently using a machine which is behind a NAT gateway and no ports are being forwarded to it. |
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| 22:52.37 | chops | Pyrophelia: I'm getting my internet access via NAT. |
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| 22:52.44 | chops | Pyrophelia: In any case, best of luck |
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| 22:52.49 | Pyrophelia | ty |
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| 22:54.18 | MgMt | i just installed debian and i have no sound and i dont think the graphics card installed |
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| 22:55.02 | MgMt | Multimedia audio controller: ESS Technology ES1983S Maestro-3i PCI Audio Accelerator (rev 10) -- thats the sound card |
| 22:55.28 | MgMt | and my graphics card is -- VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage Mobility M3 AGP 2x (rev 02) |
| 22:56.11 | mjt | MgMt: try dmesg | grep -i firmware |
| 22:57.44 | mjt | i don't remember exactly but i _think_ maestro3 wants firmware too.. if yes that command will tell you |
| 22:58.29 | MgMt | how will it tell me? |
| 22:58.36 | MgMt | it put out two lines |
| 22:58.59 | MgMt | [ 17.472868] firmware: requesting ess/maestro3_assp_kernel.fw [ 22.219902] IBM TrackPoint firmware: 0x0b, buttons: 2/3 |
| 22:59.15 | mjt | aha, so it indeed wants firmware |
| 22:59.33 | mjt | do you have linux-firmware package installed? |
| 22:59.57 | mjt | /lib/modules/firmware/ess/maestro3_assp_kernel.fw - does it exist? |
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| 23:01.28 | abrotman | MgMt: as the user or as root ? |
| 23:02.33 | mjt | !radeon |
| 23:02.34 | dpkg | [radeon] A brand of graphic processing units by ATI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon). For chipsets prior to R600 (i.e. models up to and including the X1950), use the 'radeon' xorg driver and optionally install libgl1-mesa-dri for 3D acceleration. Alternatively, the non-free <fglrx> driver can be used (recent chipsets, usually better 3D performance/features). See also <radeonhd>. http://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo |
| 23:02.38 | MgMt | im user right now |
| 23:03.10 | chops | gregglind: I'm going AFK for a while, best of luck |
| 23:03.14 | mjt | MgMt: ^^ that's for the vga |
| 23:03.22 | gregglind | chops, thanks! download is slow! |
| 23:03.47 | genoobie | okay |
| 23:03.52 | gregglind | butit's coming. any ideas for care and feeding after? just do aptitude update / upgrade once in a while? |
| 23:04.29 | genoobie | now it's asking for which kernel to isntall to boot from the hdd. I basically have a few options, 2.6 - 686, 2.6.26-2 686 |
| 23:04.41 | genoobie | openvz? |
| 23:05.28 | genoobie | hrm...it defaulted to 2.6 - 686 |
| 23:05.43 | genoobie | is 2.6 newer than 2.6.26? |
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| 23:06.45 | genoobie | okay.nm I'll just try one. I suppose I can always compile one later |
| 23:06.47 | mjt | there's no such version |
| 23:06.56 | mjt | 2.6 is 2.6 "series" |
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| 23:07.55 | genoobie | so what's the diff? |
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| 23:08.24 | mjt | diff between what? |
| 23:08.46 | genoobie | I suppose I could go through that nonsense again |
| 23:08.53 | genoobie | it was asking which kernel I wanted |
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| 23:09.09 | mjt | ah |
| 23:09.10 | mjt | i see |
| 23:09.24 | mjt | see the description of "2.6 - i686" |
| 23:09.32 | mjt | and you'll know |
| 23:09.54 | genoobie | there was no description |
| 23:10.01 | genoobie | it just gave me about 15 diff kernel options |
| 23:10.50 | mjt | you'll install different kernel pretty soon anyway |
| 23:11.03 | mjt | when you'll upgrade to latest -security |
| 23:11.17 | genoobie | ok. so b/w the 2.6.26 there were a few options |
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| 23:11.23 | genoobie | openvz? |
| 23:11.25 | genoobie | bigmem? |
| 23:11.26 | zig_ | If one has a socket 775 on their mobo, I wonder... will any socket 775 CPU work in it, then? Or must the BIOS support it. |
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| 23:11.52 | mjt | genoobie: plain 2.6.26 686 |
| 23:11.59 | iceroot | zig_: bios must support it |
| 23:12.13 | zig_ | Darn. Sucks for me. |
| 23:12.17 | mjt | it's not only bios but also chipset |
| 23:12.37 | iceroot | and all found at the manual from the motherboard |
| 23:12.38 | mjt | like, early chipsets used with socket 775 didn't support core2 |
| 23:12.47 | iceroot | or quad |
| 23:12.56 | mjt | iceroot: core2 is a family not number of cores |
| 23:13.03 | genoobie | ok |
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| 23:13.13 | mjt | iceroot: there were core2 solo, core2 duo and core2 quad |
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| 23:13.15 | iceroot | mjt: ah right, its called core2duo and core2quad |
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| 23:17.24 | Arrowmaster | theres also a core duo i believe, without the 2 |
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| 23:27.24 | MgMt | the ati page isnt helping |
| 23:27.42 | MgMt | is there a page for rage mobility m3? |
| 23:27.49 | chops | gregglind: The main thing is to do a dist-upgrade when you're installing something... if you go too long just installing and upgrading what's absolutely required, your system winds up a little weird |
| 23:27.58 | abrotman | MgMt: that card is way too old i think .. what is your problem ? |
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| 23:28.53 | MgMt | the screen res is only 800x600 and theres these little "-" and "_" marks that keep blinking up and down the screen on the mid right hand side |
| 23:29.04 | chops | gregglind: It's supposedly possible to just do individual package operations and let aptitude work it out, but if you have a situation where e.g. one package is more than one stable release behind while another is up-to-date, then it can cause problems |
| 23:29.10 | gregglind | chops, full-upgrade before or after? |
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| 23:29.45 | chops | gregglind: I would do before, personally. update, full-upgrade, install foo |
| 23:29.56 | chops | gregglind: You want to keep up to date anyway for security updates |
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| 23:31.17 | gregglind | good advice chops, I think. This box is pretty thin, not much on it |
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| 23:39.28 | Lucifero | anyone here use irssi +screen? |
| 23:39.56 | newsense | Lucifero: im do as well as many others |
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| 23:40.20 | Lucifero | newsense: using nicklist.pl,how to scroll it? |
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| 23:40.58 | newsense | Lucifero: no idea don;r use any scripts |
| 23:41.37 | newsense | Lucifero: maybe /nicklist scroll |
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| 23:44.42 | Lucifero | newsense: yeah its /nicklist scroll 100 |
| 23:45.34 | newsense | cool i just looked into that script, think i'll use it myself, thanks |
| 23:46.01 | Lucifero | newsense: :) |
| 23:46.36 | newsense | Lucifero: know of any other useful scripts ? |
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| 23:48.13 | abrotman | Lucifero: did you ask #irssi ? |
| 23:48.15 | Lucifero | newsense: keepnick.pl , trackbar.pl |
| 23:48.49 | newsense | Lucifero: thanks, i'll look into those as well |
| 23:49.23 | newsense | yeah trackbar is a keeper |
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| 23:50.11 | newsense | never had anyone try to steal my nick luckily |
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| 23:53.41 | datenritter | ok, i went through the debugging process explained in Doc.../power/basic-pm-debugging.txt and did what is explained in s2ram.txt. result: "Magic number: 0:397:740 \n hash matches drivers/base/power/main.c:432" - no PCI device mentioned there. |
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| 23:54.43 | datenritter | line 432 is "TRACE_RESUME(error);" |
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| 23:55.19 | datenritter | hmm, maybe i should ask this in #kernel |
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